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Excellent. Boarding's going. That was my next question.

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Will we all please rise for a pledge

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of allegiance and a moment of silence for

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our military personnel. Thanks for coming. This is

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the first public meeting following the termination of

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the sewer contract by the Board of Supervisors.

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The goal for this meeting is to hear

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from our sewer contractor, sewer engineer, who is

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here to talk to us about the studies

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that we are undertaking, all of us together.

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A study about tapping fees, capital reserve and

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a rate study. Are hoping that everybody here

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will, first of all, thank you for coming.

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We're hoping everybody will have a comment, question,

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would like to weigh in at some point.

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That's the point of this meeting is to

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involve as much of the public as we

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can. We are gonna put a time limit

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on the comments of three minutes. That doesn't

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mean that you can't raise a second unrelated

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comment afterwards. We just wanna make sure that

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it's not soliloquy time as opposed to comment

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time. So I will with that turn it

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over to our Township Manager, Shanna Lodge. Absolutely.

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So and with that, I'm going to introduce

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two gentlemen from our sewer engineer, which is

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Carroll Engineering. We have Bill Malin and Mark

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Yoder here with us this afternoon, evening, whatever

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it might be. And as is noted on

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the agenda, they're here to give a presentation

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regarding the process and scope of the upcoming

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sewer studies, which the chair just mentioned. We

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can get more into the, they'll get into

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the nitty gritty of the scope and how

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particular studies are conducted and what the purpose

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of them be. The overall goals of doing

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these studies, as the board has mentioned in

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past meetings, are really to move toward ensuring

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that the sewer system, now that the sewer

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system is not going to be sold, will

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be properly and sustainably funded moving forward to

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make some corrections or moves or etcetera. Following

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the sale, which obviously, as the chair mentioned,

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did not proceed. And to move toward more

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proactive repairs rather than the reactive repairs, which

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I know people have mentioned in previous meetings.

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That's certainly another goal, particularly when it comes

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to capital funding. And finally, to hear from

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you. Most of you, I imagine in this

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room are sewer customers. Maybe some of you

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are interested Township residents. You're certainly welcome here

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as well. But many of you are probably

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customers of the sewer system. So this meeting

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also serves to better understand your concerns and

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for you to provide some input following the

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presentation by the engineers of what you'd like

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to ensure is considered in their study. So

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with that, I think I'll turn it over

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to Bill and Mark to speak about the

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various studies that they'll be undertaking soon. Okay,

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thank you. I'm Bill Mallon with Carroll Engineering.

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We're the Township Wastewater Engineer, And we are

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undertaking as the chair mentioned three studies, three

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financial studies for the township or the sewer

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system. So there's tapping fees, capital reserve study,

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and the rate study. I'll touch a little

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bit on each one of those, what the

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scope is, the process kind of reverse from

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process and scope, and the end goal for

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everything. So, we'll start with the tapping fees.

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The tapping fee is a fee township charges

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to any new connection in the township, it

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covers the township's costs, monies that they spent

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to build the system. So it covers capacity

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Valley Forge Sewer Authority, capacity that was purchased

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in the Valley Creek Trunk Sewer that conveys

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everything from the township to Valley Forge Sewer

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Authority, and all the pipes that the township

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themselves paid for in the sewer system. Doesn't

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include anything that a developer built and dedicated

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to the township, doesn't include any grant money

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that the township received for construction, so it's

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basically outlays by the township. And the idea

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is you build the system, so you have

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to front load it with funding in order

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to have a system for people to connect

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to, and then over time people connect and

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pay that money back, kind of like a

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mortgage in a sense. It's only for system

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capacity, so it doesn't include any repairs, pipe

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replacements that have been done or will be

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done over time, unless it's a situation where

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we had an eight inch sewer and then

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we determined that we needed a larger pipe,

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so we put a 12 inches sewer when

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we placed it, you can include the extra

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cost for that larger sewer that added capacity.

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The last time the tapping fee was calculated

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in the township is 2,007, I believe. The

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capital reserve study is a study that the

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township's gonna undertake to establish annual funding to

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maintain the system. So they want to over

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time be able to accumulate a reserve fund

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to cover repairs of the sewers, repairs to

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the pump stations, repairs if Valley Forge Sewer

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Authority needs to do repairs at the treatment

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plant, they have funds to account for that.

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What we do is basically do replacement costs

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of all the equipment and pipes in the

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ground, what the life cycle is. So if

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a pump has a life cycle of twenty

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years, it needs to be replaced every twenty

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years, we build that into every year, we're

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putting an incremental amount into a fund. So,

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after twenty years, the money is there in

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order for the township to replace it. And

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that's a component that's gonna go into the

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rate study, so that in addition to just

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paying the bills, the township's establishing a fund

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so they can proactively maintain and repair the

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system, as Shana said, instead of reacting to

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a failure that costs a lot more money

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to take care of. And the rates, so

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the rates is really the heart of it.

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Obviously for some customers, it's what you pay

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for the service that you receive. And as

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I mentioned, includes the capital reserve costs in

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there. The rate study structure was last revised

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in 2013. I think there've been maybe some

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increases since then. We're going to kind of

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get in the process of this. We're going

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to look at the entire rate structure and

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we wanna make sure that it's fair and

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accurate. So what that basically means is that

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for customers in the same group, residential customers,

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you're being charged equally for that service. And

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that for a user who might have a

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bigger burden on the system, not to pick

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on the hospital, for instance, but it's probably

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the largest customer in the system. If they

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have a larger burden on the system, they

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arguably should be charged more than the residential

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customer. So, we wanna examine it, make sure

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it's fair, and then make sure then that

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the rates that are set are covering the

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authority of the townships costs, including as I

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mentioned, the capital reserve. And I think just

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to kind of sum up, as Shana said,

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the goal is to make sure that the

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township's sewer funding is sustainable, so that they

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can provide a good service to you, both

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in terms of being able to flush the

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toilet and know that it's gonna go and

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be taken care of, as well as address

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your concerns, let me contact the township when

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Bill Hagen and his guys have to go

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out and do something, and then when we

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investigate the system and find out that things

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need be repaired, that the funding is stable,

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so the detachment can go do those repairs

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when we need to depend on and not

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worry about where the funding's gonna come from.

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So, I think that covers the studies that

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we're gonna undertake. Does the board have any

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questions before we go? I'll touch base on

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the stand. On the, comment about the equity

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of residential versus large users. At one time

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we had a rate structure where residential customers

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were charged a rate and then customers that

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were defined as businesses were charged a different

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rate, and the law allows to create classes

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of customers of that sort. What we found

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at the time, now this was some years

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ago, was that because it was modeled on

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the way the water supplier, Aqua, structured their

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rates, there was actually, the more you use

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beyond a certain point, you actually end up

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paying less on per gallon basis, high volume

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was rewarded. We changed the rate structure at

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that point to create a rate where everybody,

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whether residential or business, was paying the same

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per gallon rate so that if you were

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a single person, perhaps elderly, who was taking

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not five showers a day, you know, the

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volumetric use was much, much lower than the

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hospital, I beg your pardon, a large user

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of the north end of the township, who

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was doing 2,000,000 gallons a month versus someone

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who was doing 100, that the 2,000,000 gallon

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a month customer was ultimately not effectively paying

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less. So we have a single rate. So

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if you're using a gallon a month, you're

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paying a number, X, and I don't know

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what that number is off the top of

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my head, but you're paying X per gallon.

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If you use one gallon, you're paying X.

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If you're using 2,000,000, you're paying 2,000,000 X.

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So that the larger your use, greater dollars

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are being paid. At the time, we felt

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that was more equitable than essentially giving a

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discount to the larger users. I think what

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we're hoping for in the study that you're

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going to do is to come out and

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say, is that the right way? Is there

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a better way? Is there something more equitable

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in terms of structuring the rates? And that's

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when you say, what are we doing today

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versus what we might be doing in the

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future, My view is, and I'm obviously not

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speaking with the other members, my view is

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we wipe the slate for what you're doing,

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say, what's the right thing to do going

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forward? What's the number that has to be

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achieved to meet the financial goals, but also

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what's the right and fair thing to do?

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And as I said, the change that we

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made a few years back was we had

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a number of people who came in and

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said, I'm on fixed income, I'm an elderly

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single person, I am using very, very little

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water, but I'm being charged my sewer usage

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based on my water consumption, which is the

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way it's structured. And I find it unfair

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that I'm paying more on a per gallon

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rate than possible. So I beg your pardon,

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a large user of the North Of township.

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As an aside, there are other large users

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of the North End of the township. There's

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a business up there, for example, that washes

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tablecloths, does linens for restaurants. So it's essentially

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a gargantuan laundry operation, very large consumer border.

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Now, obviously the hospital is a major user,

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but there are a number of places up

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there. Now the car wash is closed. And

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I don't, it doesn't look to me as

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though anybody's gonna buy that at the time.

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Again, they were a huge user of war.

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So those structures, they will have to be

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in Northern. I don't mean to be dismerging

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our good friends. But that was where we

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came to, was the objection or the concern

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of certain customers who were saying, I'm paying

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a rate greater on a per gallon basis

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than the hospital. That's what we're going to

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do, a flat rate. That's more, I think

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that's sort of intended as information for people

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to understand. But as I said, my view

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is we should wipe the slate, say, not

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worry about what we're doing, what we used

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to do, what's the right thing going forward

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in setting appropriate rates. Well, and I think

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that's what we've been testing from Shanna is

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what is the best master app for all

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of this? And I'll just comment on the

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fact that, so in 2013, so I've been

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doing rate studies for about twenty years and

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that comment that you made about basically paying

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your fair share, what you're actually using comes

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up all the time. Those rates are generally

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usage rates. There are some municipalities where there's

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really low costs that just have an ED

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rate because it's just so cheap, nobody really

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cares, much less than what the average rate

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for the township is. So yes, we're gonna,

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and we'll come up with some, hopefully several

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options how to do this that have pluses

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and minuses. And then you folks, you three

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will make a final determination of what you

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think is the best for your customers. You're

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actually segueing perfectly into what I was gonna

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ask, which is, are we gonna be evaluating

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the based analysis or based system as opposed

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to a usage based system? Yes, we will.

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Quite honestly, I didn't think I was gonna

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give that a lot of attention. Number one,

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at least from the sewer work that we've

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been doing in the last ten years and

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reports that we do, I think there's a

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question of getting a handle on every single

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EDU in the township and how many are

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allocated for especially large users on the north

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end of the township versus single family home.

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But we definitely will look at that and

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if we can make it through with a

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recommendation, we'll come up with that. And if

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we kind of reach a dead end and

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say, look, we can't really guarantee because we

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don't have all the information that this is

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going to be adequate for everybody. Could you

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just from home was jargon oftentimes gets flown

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in here. I know exactly what an EDU

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is for you for the audience. So, I

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mean, EDU is basically just a measurement. It's

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called equivalent dwelling unit. Think of it as

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just one single family home. So a single

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family home, I assume all of you folks

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live in, is considered one EV. Multifamily apartments

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or condos, if it's a single connection, they'll

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have multiple use assigned to them. Very large

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customers, like a hospital, have extreme number of

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EDUs assigned to them. So on an EDU

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basis, if we came up with a flat

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fee per EDU, X number of dollars per

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quarter, you as a single family homeowner would

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pay one, a large customer would pay multiples

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of that. How many gallons are there in

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the EDU? So I think the township ordinance

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says two fifty, but I think there's also

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some number two seventy five. But if we

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were to go to an EDU base, well,

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first of all, I think went to an

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EDU per day per month per day. I'm

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sorry, per day. Yes. If we went to

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an EDU basis, the number of gallons is

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gonna be immaterial because it's just a flat

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charge. Can you walk through along those lines

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for the benefit of everybody in the room,

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assuming that you are a single family homeowner

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and you were receiving two bills, can you

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explain the difference to us between one based

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on one based on usage so everybody's on

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the And if you're not, please speak up

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so we get it. So if we did

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a EDU based charge, we would take all

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the costs associated with the sewer system on

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an annual basis, basically in the budget that

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you adopt in December, we would take count

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up all the EDUs that are connected in

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the entire system. So all the single family

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homes, multifamily, all of non residential uses, we

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get a total number of EDUs. And we

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would take the budgeted cost divided by that

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total number of EDUs. And that's what you

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would pay on an annual basis per EDU.

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And I think you bill quarterly. So you

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take that annual by four. So one dwelling

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unit is typically one EDU? Correct. I would

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say it's always one. Almost by definition. And

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again, the point that I had touched on

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earlier is that a single person is going

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to be consuming, in many cases, less than

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two fifty or two seventy five gallons. And

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a family of, I can think of a

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family in the north end of the township

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who has eight children in middle school and

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high school, a lot of water being consumed.

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So they're consuming quite a bit more. And

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see, in my view, that's one of those

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equity challenges. As you say, here's a person

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who's consuming 100 gallons a day, paying for

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two fifty. Here's somebody who's consuming 1,100 gallons

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a day, paying for two fifty. It's trying

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to find the equitable and fair way of

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approaching those kinds of things. You know, the

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hospital blowing 2,000,000 gallons a day, that's always

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gonna be a big number no matter how

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you slice that. But it's dealing with the

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residential customers where some people are, if you

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will, underpaying and some people are overpaying. And

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that was always in my concern because you

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have a fair number of people in the

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country where you have older people who might

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be a single or a couple with nobody

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else living in the house, where their consumption

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is considerably less than typical we can do.

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Now we're putting aside filling your swimming pool

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or worrying your hands, that's a whole different

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discussion. That's my challenge with equity. Yeah, you're

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absolutely right. And when you go to an

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EDU basis, the assumption is every single house,

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let's just stick with those, is the same.

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Is it that it's every house or is

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it by acreage? Structure on every house. So

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on that basis, they're all considered equal. Now,

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true in some years where there's a family

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of 10 living in the house, that usage

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is gonna be more. Those people are gonna

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retire, they're gonna move out. And twenty five,

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thirty years from now, now there's just two

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people, maybe a young couple that's living there,

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their usage is gonna go down. So it's

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kind of an average of, in a snapshot

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of the entire township, and it's also an

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average over time that usage rises and falls

385
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depending on the occupancy in the building. But

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again, that's why there often is a push,

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like I said, unless it's really a low

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rate that nobody really cares about. And often

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when there's low flat rates, if you actually

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calculate the usage rate, they're generally the same.

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So then it just becomes easy because you're

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just charging here the same thing. But that's

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when the push to usage comes into play

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because yes, you're absolutely right. Someone, retired couple

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uses less arguably than a family with eight

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children, for sure. And it's plain as day,

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you're using, you're being charged what you're actually

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And just for the purposes of clarification, I'm

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sure almost everyone here knows this if you're

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a sewer user, but the way we charge

401
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is sort of a combination of two, we

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have a base rate, and then additionally, a

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gig per gallon usage. And I think we

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have at least four different four different base

405
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rates. Because they're four different Because they're four

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different systems. The base rate is the same

407
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for everybody. In that system. Yeah. Is there

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anything else from the board? We can move

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to public comment, if not. Anything else public

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comment, but I'm just going to remind everyone

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that we are going to focus on things

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going forward and not make comments about things

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in the past. We would ask you that.

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We would also ask you to hold to

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the three minute limit and limit the comments

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to positive ones and inquisitive ones. And I'm

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going to try my level best to both

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take your comments and hold up to thirty

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seconds. But if the timer goes off and

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I haven't held up thirty seconds then. Give

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us your name and address. I'll give it

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to you. I'm about to tell. There you

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go. I certainly need a nice lawyer here

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first. Joe Meaden, seven thirteen. Joe, you're a

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great study. Obviously, the more funds that are

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in the account, the better it is to

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start with. Great study. So, I'm going to

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answer your question, like, if the developer say,

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wants to add a new box to the

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sewer system, but the township didn't feel obligated

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to allow allow it. Maybe close by, but

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they didn't wanna allow it for whatever reason.

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Developer sues the township, they get into a

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legal battle. And those legal bills be charged

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to the sewer rate users. That's built for

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one second That is way outside of my

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opinion. Mister Deenan? Mister Deenan, the law provides

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that the township cannot use sewer connections to

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control development. That's specific in the law. Sure.

440
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And so if a developer applies for connection

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to the system, provided they can pay the

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tapping fees and associated costs, the township cannot

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legally deny them. So the scenario you've described

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can't take place. Questions involving engineering are what

445
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we're here to talk it's you cannot answer

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a question about. Let me let me just

447
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reiterate though that the the purpose of the

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race is to cover the budgeted expenses for

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the sewer the township. Sure. Makes sense. The

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operation, let me just finish because I still

451
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have time. Operation manuals or do you update

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them or are they already on-site or they

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exist? Bill Hagen, you have upper O and

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M manuals for pump stations? Actually, do know.

455
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Okay. So the answer is no. You don't

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really have any complex facilities in your system

457
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that normal people associated with sewer operations don't

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operate. Sure, a lot of times it ties

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in with confined space and trees like specific

460
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safety. Yeah, that's again is something for Bill

461
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Hagen. Let me do training for confined space

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and and the guys do get trained and

463
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there's a group of employees that are more

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apt to go into the stations than others

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just because of their specialties, whether it's adjusting

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pumps, whether it's pressures, whether it's checking valves,

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whatever that may be. So out of the

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eight employees, I would say that 50% of

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them are part of operations and maintenance of

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the stations and the system itself, because that

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would include televising, jetting, cleaning. Right, sure, maintenance.

472
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Okay, thank you. Mr. Childers? Yeah, of course.

473
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Two basic questions. First of all, It's not

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gonna be right versus last year, isn't it?

475
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The first one relates to tactics. My understanding

476
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is that I've done a lot of research

477
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on this. I I can't have your experience.

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Please understand that. I don't intend to say

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that. However, my understanding of various townships, they

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have adopted that fees that are commonly associated

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with the equivalent EUs as opposed to a

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consumption based system. So, in terms of calculating

483
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tapping fees is totally different than how you

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would do your rates. Is that tapping fee

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based on the state mandates? So, there is

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a state law that specifies how tapping fees

487
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are calculated. Is that act 57? Yes. Do

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you do you always use the act 57

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in your in your studies in recommending those

490
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the the when, when the township adopts a

491
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tapping fee, by example, they're supposed to provide

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all that medical computations in order to justify

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that expense instead of just a single one

494
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liner. Is that correct? Correct. But what they

495
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may actually include in the resolution? I don't

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know. But they have that. That's what's got

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be included at least as a record so

498
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that somebody can see that document? Yes. Okay.

499
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Okay. Excuse me, mister Childers. Be be clear

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on the difference between rates. I have tapping.

501
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Tapping fees and rates are two separate issues.

502
00:26:49,540 --> 00:26:52,020
Okay. Thanks. Tapping fees are based on historical

503
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norms as I understand it. Historical falls for

504
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establishing of a basic system both of what

505
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you're building as well as the what what

506
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exists that you're tying into. And also, it's

507
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supposed to include, as I understand it, that

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if you had something built in 1998, which

509
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was, that happened to have been a project

510
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which I was very familiar with and I

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think you were the first you were on

512
00:27:16,530 --> 00:27:19,170
the board of trustees or supervisors at that

513
00:27:19,170 --> 00:27:23,570
very same year. And those costs were significant

514
00:27:23,890 --> 00:27:26,050
for me as a regulator. I I was

515
00:27:26,050 --> 00:27:29,245
charged an assessment for it at that particular

516
00:27:29,245 --> 00:27:32,285
moment in time. Now, future connection to that

517
00:27:32,285 --> 00:27:36,045
system, I understand it is that it's commonplace

518
00:27:36,045 --> 00:27:39,085
to forward to for somebody else to come

519
00:27:39,085 --> 00:27:42,550
to online there. They should be, as I

520
00:27:42,550 --> 00:27:45,830
understand, it is commonplace to charge that future

521
00:27:45,830 --> 00:27:48,389
tap fee at that future point in time.

522
00:27:49,510 --> 00:27:52,550
Based on about three to four criteria for

523
00:27:52,550 --> 00:27:55,270
establishing that modified rate for that future date.

524
00:27:55,654 --> 00:28:00,695
Including the cost of financing escalation, cost construction

525
00:28:00,695 --> 00:28:02,615
that the costs have gone up and it

526
00:28:02,615 --> 00:28:04,294
should be based on not only the original

527
00:28:04,294 --> 00:28:07,414
cost, but on the projected cost at that

528
00:28:07,414 --> 00:28:10,690
future date. When the township adopts a tapping

529
00:28:10,690 --> 00:28:14,050
fee, that is the fee until they, in

530
00:28:14,050 --> 00:28:16,690
some time in the future, increase or decrease

531
00:28:16,690 --> 00:28:19,250
that debt. But is it not common to

532
00:28:19,250 --> 00:28:22,370
adjust it over time when it comes up

533
00:28:22,370 --> 00:28:28,945
instead of waiting twenty years? So, typically system

534
00:28:28,945 --> 00:28:33,345
owners will revise their staffing fee more frequently

535
00:28:33,345 --> 00:28:37,345
than twenty years. Why is that done? Why

536
00:28:37,345 --> 00:28:41,440
is that done? Yes. Well, most importantly, because

537
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:43,040
usually the fee goes up, they want to

538
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:45,200
generate more money. It generates money for the

539
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:47,360
sewer account, does it not? Yes. And it's

540
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:49,760
fair because you're paying a net amount. That

541
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:51,360
is a time, we're over three minutes. You're

542
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:53,414
paying an ample amount for what somebody did

543
00:28:53,414 --> 00:29:00,054
originally. Alright. Thank you. We'll catch rates. Okay.

544
00:29:01,575 --> 00:29:04,294
Murray Gordon, forty two ahead of you. How

545
00:29:04,294 --> 00:29:06,615
much is this gonna cost? That's my question.

546
00:29:07,350 --> 00:29:11,270
A. B, why don't we call Easttown Township,

547
00:29:11,270 --> 00:29:14,870
Tradipitant Township, the Ocean Township to see their

548
00:29:14,870 --> 00:29:17,110
models and and their metrics and what they're

549
00:29:17,110 --> 00:29:20,309
doing? Tradipitant is to live there. Chesterbrook is

550
00:29:20,309 --> 00:29:23,815
replete with thousands of EDUs in a concentrated

551
00:29:23,815 --> 00:29:27,495
area. I know they must have grinder pumps

552
00:29:27,495 --> 00:29:30,135
in Trinidad and Tobruk, Easttown, same thing, and

553
00:29:30,135 --> 00:29:34,215
they've been East Ocean. So there are enough

554
00:29:34,215 --> 00:29:37,710
models there and experiences to see how we

555
00:29:37,710 --> 00:29:40,669
should proceed rather than going this route. I

556
00:29:40,669 --> 00:29:42,590
would think that's what I would do. That's

557
00:29:42,590 --> 00:29:44,429
one of my wrap up questions. So thank

558
00:29:44,429 --> 00:29:46,510
you for getting that. I'm assuming that there'll

559
00:29:46,510 --> 00:29:48,669
be an analysis as part of your study

560
00:29:48,830 --> 00:29:52,429
of what the surrounding townships do. So yes,

561
00:29:53,615 --> 00:29:58,095
we always try to provide information on adjacent

562
00:29:58,095 --> 00:30:01,294
municipalities or system owners, what their rates are,

563
00:30:01,294 --> 00:30:04,575
how they apply those rates, as well as

564
00:30:04,575 --> 00:30:06,280
what their camping fees are. And then the

565
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:09,720
final question is what local township or townships

566
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:13,640
have you provided this service? So I recently

567
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:16,280
have done tapping fees for West Whiteland Township

568
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:20,645
or West Brandywine Township Municipal Authority, Also rates

569
00:30:20,645 --> 00:30:26,805
for both of them, rates in 2018 was

570
00:30:26,805 --> 00:30:28,005
the last time I did them in West

571
00:30:28,005 --> 00:30:30,645
Town Township. Okay, but nothing for Trinidad and

572
00:30:30,645 --> 00:30:32,485
nothing for East Ocean and nothing for East

573
00:30:32,485 --> 00:30:35,049
Town? No, we're not engaged by it. Thank

574
00:30:35,049 --> 00:30:37,049
you. I'm afraid you didn't get an answer

575
00:30:38,250 --> 00:30:40,250
right. Okay. Did not get an answer to

576
00:30:40,250 --> 00:30:41,530
it. Oh, yeah. How about the cost of

577
00:30:41,530 --> 00:30:45,925
the survey and the time period? So we

578
00:30:45,925 --> 00:30:48,805
haven't really started work on that. Once we

579
00:30:48,805 --> 00:30:50,565
get through this meeting and get all your

580
00:30:50,565 --> 00:30:53,765
feedback, we're gonna provide Shana with our fees

581
00:30:53,765 --> 00:30:58,485
for the three studies. Guestimate? Guestimate for all,

582
00:30:59,010 --> 00:31:00,210
you know what, I really don't want to

583
00:31:00,210 --> 00:31:08,130
provide. Starting a dollar anywhere. And when will

584
00:31:08,130 --> 00:31:11,250
that be disclosed? We'll get it. We'll get

585
00:31:11,250 --> 00:31:16,895
it. The next regularly scheduled meeting of the

586
00:31:16,895 --> 00:31:19,855
Board of Supervisory when we get to the

587
00:31:19,855 --> 00:31:25,535
meeting. Julie Bressor, Chapel Road. So my question

588
00:31:25,535 --> 00:31:26,815
was kind of going back to the game.

589
00:31:27,510 --> 00:31:29,590
Murray touched on it. Just what is the

590
00:31:29,590 --> 00:31:32,390
overall estimated time period that you're thinking this

591
00:31:32,390 --> 00:31:34,950
is going to be fired? In order to

592
00:31:34,950 --> 00:31:36,470
complete the study? Yeah, like just to go

593
00:31:36,470 --> 00:31:39,110
through the three studies that you're managing. So

594
00:31:39,110 --> 00:31:42,815
we're gonna do all three currently. The rates

595
00:31:42,815 --> 00:31:44,815
is the most important. We wanna get that

596
00:31:44,815 --> 00:31:48,015
completed in September when the township starts to

597
00:31:48,015 --> 00:31:50,335
work on their budget because by the time

598
00:31:50,335 --> 00:31:53,215
they get through the budget process and ready

599
00:31:53,215 --> 00:31:55,529
to adopt it in December, They wanna add

600
00:31:55,529 --> 00:31:57,370
the rates in order to cover what their

601
00:31:57,370 --> 00:32:01,210
budget costs are gonna be. Second most important

602
00:32:01,210 --> 00:32:03,529
is the capital reserve study, because that's gonna

603
00:32:03,529 --> 00:32:05,529
be a component of the rates. So we

604
00:32:05,529 --> 00:32:07,965
need to complete that so that we plugged

605
00:32:07,965 --> 00:32:11,805
in into a placeholder in the budget, how

606
00:32:11,805 --> 00:32:13,725
much the township should be setting aside each

607
00:32:13,725 --> 00:32:17,325
year for that fund. Tapping fees are the

608
00:32:17,325 --> 00:32:20,890
least of the concern, mainly because right now

609
00:32:20,890 --> 00:32:22,970
there's not a significant amount of development going

610
00:32:22,970 --> 00:32:26,090
on where someone's coming in building 100 houses

611
00:32:26,090 --> 00:32:27,210
and all of a sudden you're looking at

612
00:32:27,210 --> 00:32:29,610
a big check to come in. So all

613
00:32:29,610 --> 00:32:32,330
three studies by the September, the latest? Yes.

614
00:32:34,825 --> 00:32:37,625
So, the studies, I know you mentioned already

615
00:32:37,625 --> 00:32:42,985
that, so when general engineering finishes the work

616
00:32:42,985 --> 00:32:44,745
and the studies are available, they will be

617
00:32:44,745 --> 00:32:47,065
brought back to a board supervisor meeting and

618
00:32:47,065 --> 00:32:56,950
shared with the public? Yes. Yep, all right.

619
00:32:56,950 --> 00:32:58,390
You're sort of behind the post. I'm not

620
00:32:58,390 --> 00:33:04,955
very shy. That needs to allure one false

621
00:33:04,955 --> 00:33:09,115
recently. First of all, I apologize. I feel

622
00:33:09,115 --> 00:33:12,955
like a few minutes. In the the opening

623
00:33:12,955 --> 00:33:16,350
party presentation. Apparently, your study is going to

624
00:33:16,350 --> 00:33:20,270
do assessment of the condition of the assets.

625
00:33:20,270 --> 00:33:23,470
And I was like, comparing the age to

626
00:33:23,870 --> 00:33:27,070
lifetime expectancy of these assets, or is it

627
00:33:27,070 --> 00:33:31,205
gonna be some physical evaluation of the stations

628
00:33:31,205 --> 00:33:34,165
in line with that kind of thing? I

629
00:33:34,165 --> 00:33:36,804
have a follow-up. Yes, so part of it

630
00:33:36,804 --> 00:33:38,804
is, for instance, in the pump stations, we're

631
00:33:38,804 --> 00:33:40,405
gonna go out and look at what the

632
00:33:40,405 --> 00:33:42,870
current condition of them is, get all the

633
00:33:42,870 --> 00:33:46,790
information on the equipment there, pumps, piping, look

634
00:33:46,790 --> 00:33:49,990
at the condition of the structures. And then

635
00:33:49,990 --> 00:33:53,030
based on that, there's a normal useful life

636
00:33:53,030 --> 00:33:54,870
of something versus based on what its current

637
00:33:54,870 --> 00:33:57,534
condition is. And are you gonna be scoping

638
00:33:57,534 --> 00:33:59,455
a lot of lines as well, or is

639
00:33:59,455 --> 00:34:02,654
this gonna be primarily just? This is right

640
00:34:03,534 --> 00:34:05,615
now, we're kind of just taking a desktop

641
00:34:05,615 --> 00:34:09,295
view of everything. There is ongoing work with

642
00:34:09,375 --> 00:34:12,780
looking at the sewer system and that's gonna

643
00:34:12,780 --> 00:34:14,940
continue, but this is really at this point

644
00:34:14,940 --> 00:34:17,900
in time, and given the time constraints that

645
00:34:17,900 --> 00:34:22,060
we have to get things But it kind

646
00:34:22,060 --> 00:34:24,355
of leads into my last question, which is,

647
00:34:24,355 --> 00:34:27,395
has this been conducted in a thorough way

648
00:34:27,395 --> 00:34:30,995
before? And if yes, is this something we'd

649
00:34:30,995 --> 00:34:34,915
be able to tap into as a resource?

650
00:34:34,915 --> 00:34:36,915
When the study was done five years ago,

651
00:34:36,915 --> 00:34:39,489
we can just subtract five years from the

652
00:34:39,489 --> 00:34:41,809
expected life of these assets and your compensation

653
00:34:41,809 --> 00:34:44,049
on that basis or are you going to

654
00:34:44,049 --> 00:34:46,529
be starting from scratch? So on the capital

655
00:34:46,529 --> 00:34:48,049
reserve, as far as I know, that has

656
00:34:48,049 --> 00:34:50,929
not been conducted, certainly not. We've been associated

657
00:34:50,929 --> 00:34:53,815
with the township since 2012. I don't know

658
00:34:53,815 --> 00:34:55,495
if anything has been done prior, but I

659
00:34:55,495 --> 00:34:57,735
don't believe so. So that's gonna be a

660
00:34:57,735 --> 00:35:00,055
new study. As I mentioned, I think TAPPING

661
00:35:00,055 --> 00:35:04,455
was last done in 02/2007, and that's gonna

662
00:35:04,455 --> 00:35:05,895
be our starting point. We're gonna look at

663
00:35:05,895 --> 00:35:10,210
what the prior information was and update that

664
00:35:10,289 --> 00:35:12,930
from what stage between that and that. Then

665
00:35:12,930 --> 00:35:15,970
also just as a pause, a lot of

666
00:35:15,970 --> 00:35:21,675
the physical work is ongoing, but also, and

667
00:35:21,675 --> 00:35:23,915
forgive me putting it this way, as part

668
00:35:23,915 --> 00:35:28,155
of the prep for the sale, an awful

669
00:35:28,155 --> 00:35:32,555
lot of this data has been gathered. When

670
00:35:32,875 --> 00:35:34,635
Mr. Malin says that they can do this

671
00:35:34,635 --> 00:35:36,875
by the September, he's not exactly starting with

672
00:35:36,875 --> 00:35:40,430
an empty empty box. A bit of that

673
00:35:40,430 --> 00:35:42,430
stuff sorted there. I promise this is part

674
00:35:42,430 --> 00:35:44,910
of component that actually checking back to you

675
00:35:44,910 --> 00:35:49,390
guys instead of Carol engineering is have we

676
00:35:49,390 --> 00:35:53,045
had a component of the rates prior to

677
00:35:53,045 --> 00:35:56,965
this, which has included a revised provision for

678
00:35:57,204 --> 00:35:59,924
anticipated replacement of some of the assets is

679
00:35:59,924 --> 00:36:02,724
every human use of life as I've already

680
00:36:02,724 --> 00:36:06,920
done. Perfect timing. Yeah, and I'll respond to

681
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:09,400
that to say it has not been studied,

682
00:36:10,119 --> 00:36:12,359
if you will, professionally. It's always been done

683
00:36:12,359 --> 00:36:16,920
from an accounting perspective here. So the financial

684
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:19,475
staff has looked at it. So to have

685
00:36:19,475 --> 00:36:21,955
someone come in with a clean set of

686
00:36:21,955 --> 00:36:26,435
eyes without prior assumptions going into it is

687
00:36:26,435 --> 00:36:30,915
a better way at this stage. Again, our

688
00:36:30,915 --> 00:36:34,220
financial people have said, here are our costs,

689
00:36:34,220 --> 00:36:36,380
here's what we're looking at, and that number

690
00:36:36,380 --> 00:36:39,180
has been rolled forward. But I think having

691
00:36:39,180 --> 00:36:42,140
a professional third party look at it that

692
00:36:42,140 --> 00:36:43,820
way is gonna be a better way of

693
00:36:43,820 --> 00:36:47,615
assessing those numbers. I think we have a

694
00:36:47,615 --> 00:36:58,494
couple more. Yeah. Charles Laday. Yes, I would,

695
00:36:58,494 --> 00:36:59,855
I have a couple of things I'd like

696
00:36:59,855 --> 00:37:02,080
to talk about. I'd like to thank the

697
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:06,880
board for respecting the process. I said this

698
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:08,960
before at the last at one of the

699
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:15,485
previous meetings. I really appreciate it's certainly democracy

700
00:37:15,485 --> 00:37:20,045
and action. It's refreshing to see. I also

701
00:37:20,045 --> 00:37:22,685
think that these steps are also very welcome.

702
00:37:22,685 --> 00:37:24,845
This is a good way to do it.

703
00:37:25,005 --> 00:37:28,880
I think when you talk about equity, I

704
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:32,559
think that it's important that you protect the

705
00:37:32,559 --> 00:37:35,920
smallest users. And I'm not one of the

706
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:40,655
smallest users. I am a user who I

707
00:37:40,655 --> 00:37:43,935
don't have eight kids, but my wife and

708
00:37:43,935 --> 00:37:46,975
I use plenty of water and we're happy

709
00:37:46,975 --> 00:37:49,295
to have it. But one thing I do

710
00:37:49,295 --> 00:37:51,980
have is I have a sprinkler system and

711
00:37:51,980 --> 00:37:54,380
I would like to see some equity in

712
00:37:54,380 --> 00:37:57,740
the for the people who are using water

713
00:37:57,740 --> 00:38:00,700
but are not using sewer. So I'm I'm

714
00:38:00,700 --> 00:38:03,260
I don't think I think that I should

715
00:38:03,260 --> 00:38:05,900
be paying for every gallon of water that

716
00:38:05,900 --> 00:38:08,035
I put into the sewer system, but I

717
00:38:08,035 --> 00:38:10,755
don't want to put a, you know, that

718
00:38:10,755 --> 00:38:13,315
amount of, I don't want that figured off

719
00:38:13,315 --> 00:38:17,475
of my water bill. And, and I don't,

720
00:38:17,475 --> 00:38:20,589
I also don't expect to pay for two

721
00:38:20,589 --> 00:38:23,710
fifty gallons a day because I'm, I might

722
00:38:23,710 --> 00:38:26,589
be using more than that. And I'd like

723
00:38:26,589 --> 00:38:29,790
to pay for what I'm doing. So I

724
00:38:29,790 --> 00:38:32,750
would ask that in the process of this,

725
00:38:32,910 --> 00:38:36,015
Carol Engineering tell us a way that the

726
00:38:36,015 --> 00:38:38,655
people who are using more water, but aren't

727
00:38:38,655 --> 00:38:43,055
putting it back into the sewer could possibly

728
00:38:43,055 --> 00:38:47,535
get a meter or provide meters through the

729
00:38:47,535 --> 00:38:51,110
township. You're willing to pay for it, if

730
00:38:51,110 --> 00:38:53,510
I'm willing to pay for a meter to

731
00:38:53,510 --> 00:38:56,230
to meter exactly how much water I'm putting

732
00:38:56,230 --> 00:38:58,790
in, or to meter how much water I'm

733
00:38:58,790 --> 00:39:01,590
using for another source and deduct that, I

734
00:39:01,590 --> 00:39:05,035
would ask that that might be possible if

735
00:39:05,035 --> 00:39:06,955
we might possibly find a way to do

736
00:39:06,955 --> 00:39:10,075
that. I think that's actually something that you

737
00:39:10,075 --> 00:39:14,155
have to approach Aqua about. You need to

738
00:39:14,155 --> 00:39:16,795
do some plumbing in your house to separate

739
00:39:16,940 --> 00:39:21,020
your sprinkler supply from everything else. From Aqua's

740
00:39:21,020 --> 00:39:23,420
perspective, they'd be more than happy, I'm sure,

741
00:39:23,420 --> 00:39:27,180
to charge you some sum to install a

742
00:39:27,180 --> 00:39:31,165
second meter. Well, that's what I'm asking Bill.

743
00:39:31,484 --> 00:39:34,204
I'm asking you, though, is I'll pay my

744
00:39:34,204 --> 00:39:36,444
plumber to put that in if we if

745
00:39:36,444 --> 00:39:38,684
we can find a piece of equipment that

746
00:39:38,684 --> 00:39:42,444
Carol Engineering thinks is is equitable, because this

747
00:39:42,444 --> 00:39:44,365
isn't a deal with awkward this a deal

748
00:39:44,365 --> 00:39:47,490
with you. All right. So I'm asking you

749
00:39:47,490 --> 00:39:50,290
how to get a deduction from your bill

750
00:39:50,290 --> 00:39:52,770
by putting a piece of equipment in the

751
00:39:52,770 --> 00:39:56,770
Carol Engineering Trust so that you trust it

752
00:39:56,930 --> 00:40:01,164
instead of it. Instead of me working with

753
00:40:01,164 --> 00:40:04,684
Aqua. I understand the part about Aqua, but

754
00:40:04,684 --> 00:40:09,484
I. So we will absolutely Mr. Ladain, we

755
00:40:09,484 --> 00:40:12,444
will talk about sub metering now water that's

756
00:40:12,444 --> 00:40:14,204
used, but does not go into the system.

757
00:40:14,710 --> 00:40:16,630
Good. And then if can figure out a

758
00:40:16,630 --> 00:40:18,550
way that we could buy, that we could

759
00:40:18,550 --> 00:40:22,550
all buy the meters together and make some,

760
00:40:22,950 --> 00:40:26,630
economic benefit to the people and into the

761
00:40:26,630 --> 00:40:29,765
system and as an equity thing, that would

762
00:40:29,765 --> 00:40:33,365
be perfect. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you

763
00:40:33,365 --> 00:40:37,525
very much. All right. Let me see if

764
00:40:37,525 --> 00:40:39,125
I can bring up the next. We have

765
00:40:39,125 --> 00:40:47,210
somebody else here. Sawyers? Yep. Can you hear

766
00:40:47,210 --> 00:40:51,690
me? Sure Okay. Jay Salyers, six forty one

767
00:40:51,690 --> 00:40:55,050
South Warren Avenue, Malvern, PA. Going back to

768
00:40:55,050 --> 00:40:59,245
that comment about the meters, the company, Neptune

769
00:40:59,245 --> 00:41:02,205
makes the meters. They're used throughout The United

770
00:41:02,205 --> 00:41:06,045
States from water companies. And I know this

771
00:41:06,045 --> 00:41:08,685
because I want a water meter because I

772
00:41:08,685 --> 00:41:11,849
have a low pressure sewer system. We're a

773
00:41:11,849 --> 00:41:16,089
low use household, one to two to zero

774
00:41:16,089 --> 00:41:18,569
people at any given time, and we've been

775
00:41:18,569 --> 00:41:22,650
stung with a ginormous $600 bill for essentially

776
00:41:22,650 --> 00:41:26,955
nothing. Now, the previous township manager gave a

777
00:41:26,955 --> 00:41:29,115
lovely rebate and said that this thing was

778
00:41:29,115 --> 00:41:33,515
fixed. And I doubt it, because nobody was

779
00:41:33,515 --> 00:41:35,595
ever picked up on any cameras coming and

780
00:41:35,595 --> 00:41:38,715
looking at anything. And I've had pre doc

781
00:41:38,715 --> 00:41:41,210
out here numerous times when they clean it

782
00:41:41,210 --> 00:41:43,690
out, and there's nothing wrong with it. There's

783
00:41:43,690 --> 00:41:45,849
no water coming into it, but I get

784
00:41:45,849 --> 00:41:50,650
these crazy bills. So in fairness, Carol Engineering,

785
00:41:50,810 --> 00:41:53,255
when you're doing this, I would like to

786
00:41:53,255 --> 00:41:56,295
look at Neptune meters. And like the previous

787
00:41:56,295 --> 00:41:59,095
gentleman, I'll pay to put it in. I

788
00:41:59,095 --> 00:42:01,815
want my bill to be reflective of that

789
00:42:01,815 --> 00:42:04,375
because I don't have city water. I have

790
00:42:04,375 --> 00:42:06,890
a well. And if I can take that

791
00:42:06,890 --> 00:42:09,210
lid off that tank and there's no flood

792
00:42:09,210 --> 00:42:12,089
coming in, all I can tell you is

793
00:42:12,250 --> 00:42:15,289
there's no possibility of me running up a

794
00:42:15,289 --> 00:42:21,175
$600 sewer bill. It just it's just not

795
00:42:21,175 --> 00:42:24,535
happening. That's one of the aspects that we'll

796
00:42:24,535 --> 00:42:27,575
be looking at with Carroll Engineering and they're

797
00:42:27,575 --> 00:42:32,150
familiar with the situation like that. But also

798
00:42:32,150 --> 00:42:33,910
the people who are not on public order.

799
00:42:33,910 --> 00:42:41,830
Yeah. Thank you. Is your St. Yes. Hi.

800
00:42:42,630 --> 00:42:47,545
Brian St. So I'm not as technical as

801
00:42:47,545 --> 00:42:51,305
everybody else here. So simplistic in its simplistic

802
00:42:51,305 --> 00:42:56,105
form. We're here now. We got through a

803
00:42:56,105 --> 00:42:59,350
lot of them, right? Where my question is

804
00:42:59,350 --> 00:43:02,070
going, I know we have Carol engineer here.

805
00:43:02,070 --> 00:43:05,510
I've also saw an email by Julie now

806
00:43:05,510 --> 00:43:07,350
talking about they were trying to have a

807
00:43:07,350 --> 00:43:10,870
put together a group of people that were

808
00:43:10,870 --> 00:43:14,234
going to help see the sewer. So I

809
00:43:14,234 --> 00:43:17,435
guess I'm getting down to the transparency of

810
00:43:17,435 --> 00:43:20,395
being able to understand. And I assume that

811
00:43:20,395 --> 00:43:22,155
is the surveys that are going to come

812
00:43:22,155 --> 00:43:25,035
out, which is basically a line item. I

813
00:43:25,035 --> 00:43:28,410
mean, Aqua said there's all this investment that

814
00:43:28,410 --> 00:43:30,970
needed to be made into the sewer system.

815
00:43:31,290 --> 00:43:32,730
So I guess so that we have an

816
00:43:32,730 --> 00:43:35,370
open communication and dialogue so we can see

817
00:43:35,370 --> 00:43:37,610
what's going on. I mean I don't know

818
00:43:37,610 --> 00:43:39,450
the value of tapping and all this stuff

819
00:43:39,450 --> 00:43:41,405
but I think we do want to see

820
00:43:41,405 --> 00:43:44,204
or be involved in is being able to

821
00:43:44,204 --> 00:43:47,085
see what is really going on the cost

822
00:43:47,565 --> 00:43:50,605
and you know and what the condition is

823
00:43:50,605 --> 00:43:53,565
of the service system. We can, my point

824
00:43:53,565 --> 00:43:56,700
of view, a common sense understanding that, okay,

825
00:43:57,740 --> 00:44:00,300
money that's needed for the race. Let me

826
00:44:00,300 --> 00:44:02,620
send it better. And that's again part of

827
00:44:02,620 --> 00:44:06,540
what they're doing. When Aqua talked about the

828
00:44:06,540 --> 00:44:10,915
capital investment, most of those comments came from

829
00:44:10,915 --> 00:44:15,475
the to do list that we ourselves have

830
00:44:15,475 --> 00:44:18,195
already, for the most part, identified. We've identified

831
00:44:18,195 --> 00:44:20,355
something on the order of 3 to $5,000,000

832
00:44:20,355 --> 00:44:23,720
worth of stuff. One of the most critical

833
00:44:23,720 --> 00:44:27,559
elements is what's called INI, inflow and infiltration,

834
00:44:27,559 --> 00:44:31,079
that is groundwater and rainwater and water from

835
00:44:31,079 --> 00:44:35,160
streams that gets into the sewers. So you

836
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:38,145
have non sewage water in the system that

837
00:44:38,145 --> 00:44:39,985
gets pumped all the way over and recharged

838
00:44:39,985 --> 00:44:44,465
by the Valley Forge sewer authority to process.

839
00:44:45,025 --> 00:44:48,865
So everything that we can do to reduce,

840
00:44:49,345 --> 00:44:52,720
to the greatest extent possible, eliminate I and

841
00:44:52,720 --> 00:44:58,880
I is dollars that users aren't paying for.

842
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:01,200
But it's also a very expensive thing to

843
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:05,440
do because, well, this town's a very wet

844
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:08,585
area. If you hear me in storm board

845
00:45:08,585 --> 00:45:12,105
discussions, we're downhill of everything. And we've got

846
00:45:12,105 --> 00:45:14,185
a lot of streams, a lot of creeks,

847
00:45:14,185 --> 00:45:18,984
a lot of water to challenge and televise

848
00:45:18,984 --> 00:45:21,850
the system to find, oh, here's a root,

849
00:45:21,850 --> 00:45:23,770
here's a crack, here's a break. And we're

850
00:45:23,770 --> 00:45:26,890
in the constant, mean, Mr. Hagen has a

851
00:45:26,890 --> 00:45:30,330
whole bunch of charming videos to look at

852
00:45:30,330 --> 00:45:32,410
if you find things like that interesting, where

853
00:45:32,410 --> 00:45:33,690
you're running down the inside of a sewer

854
00:45:33,690 --> 00:45:35,130
pipe and there's a nice, nice pipe and

855
00:45:35,130 --> 00:45:39,435
then it offsets because the ground has shifted,

856
00:45:39,435 --> 00:45:42,155
the roots have moved it, the earth has

857
00:45:42,474 --> 00:45:45,195
moved. And of course, at that point, you've

858
00:45:45,195 --> 00:45:47,675
got groundwater flowing. You've got to go out

859
00:45:47,675 --> 00:45:49,275
there and identify those places. You've got to

860
00:45:49,275 --> 00:45:51,440
dig them up, you've to fix. Them. Time

861
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:54,000
consuming and expensive. So there is already a

862
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:58,319
list. The pump stations, the life of the

863
00:45:58,319 --> 00:46:04,160
pumps, the control systems, the power systems, the

864
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:07,385
panels, broadly speaking. So we'll be able to

865
00:46:07,385 --> 00:46:09,065
All of that's, and again, it's all gonna

866
00:46:09,065 --> 00:46:10,905
be discussed in public. Yeah, because I'm a

867
00:46:10,905 --> 00:46:13,065
guy who likes to look at stuff and

868
00:46:13,065 --> 00:46:15,625
I would like to see what makes up

869
00:46:15,625 --> 00:46:20,360
the sewer system actually be able to. All

870
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:27,800
of that will be part of what's going

871
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:30,760
on. I can understand a rate adjustment, right?

872
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:33,895
Yeah. And that's part of what one of

873
00:46:33,895 --> 00:46:36,055
the three studies is, is the capital reserve

874
00:46:36,055 --> 00:46:37,895
fund study. So you'll be able to get

875
00:46:37,895 --> 00:46:40,935
down into the nitty gritty and witness from

876
00:46:40,935 --> 00:46:45,255
and see exactly how that happens. But to

877
00:46:45,255 --> 00:46:49,300
your first question, it is that we have

878
00:46:49,300 --> 00:46:51,619
been approached by a group of people. I've

879
00:46:51,619 --> 00:46:53,300
met with some of them. I've enjoyed all

880
00:46:53,300 --> 00:46:55,619
the meetings. We're at a point where we're

881
00:46:55,619 --> 00:46:57,380
trying to figure out what is is right

882
00:46:57,380 --> 00:46:59,540
now and what's the condition. And we will

883
00:46:59,540 --> 00:47:03,155
absolutely hope to use everybody's knowledge in every

884
00:47:03,155 --> 00:47:06,195
group, everybody that's suggested themselves and other people.

885
00:47:06,755 --> 00:47:10,755
Many of you are here. Actually communicating it.

886
00:47:11,075 --> 00:47:14,115
Absolutely. That's why we're having these meetings. Thank

887
00:47:14,115 --> 00:47:16,240
you. That's all I want to do. I

888
00:47:16,240 --> 00:47:18,080
just tossed in, and Mark can attest to

889
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:19,360
this because he does a lot of I

890
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:21,520
and I work, that looking at this stuff

891
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:25,440
gets old real fast. Yeah, how many videos

892
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:30,665
of the inside? Of Brian might want to

893
00:47:30,665 --> 00:47:33,465
look at more though. The videos of the

894
00:47:33,465 --> 00:47:36,665
inside of the pipe. I'm sure there's a

895
00:47:36,665 --> 00:47:39,225
list of pipe needs to be replaced, right?

896
00:47:39,225 --> 00:47:42,510
Pump needs to be replaced. Us dryers need

897
00:47:42,510 --> 00:47:44,670
to be replaced. There's controllers. There's a to

898
00:47:44,670 --> 00:47:47,230
do list for this. Yeah, there's a, that's

899
00:47:47,230 --> 00:47:50,110
the understanding of the health of the sewer

900
00:47:50,350 --> 00:47:53,550
system. That's why we're here in a nutshell.

901
00:47:53,724 --> 00:47:57,244
Yes, Dick. As I'm Dick McDonald, I'm 29

902
00:47:57,244 --> 00:48:00,285
in Worcester Road in Paoli. So I've been

903
00:48:00,285 --> 00:48:03,724
doing work for self management industry for past

904
00:48:03,724 --> 00:48:06,980
sixteen years. So this is my field And

905
00:48:06,980 --> 00:48:08,980
so it is all interesting to me. Read

906
00:48:08,980 --> 00:48:12,020
the latest report and so on, but I

907
00:48:12,020 --> 00:48:13,859
know all these things are to use that

908
00:48:13,859 --> 00:48:17,220
have to be done. I'm interested because the

909
00:48:17,220 --> 00:48:20,180
technology is moving ahead and we have a

910
00:48:20,180 --> 00:48:23,945
small conveyance system that would be relatively easy

911
00:48:23,945 --> 00:48:26,105
to get your arms around. But I think

912
00:48:26,105 --> 00:48:31,625
there's opportunity to move from reactive and we're

913
00:48:31,625 --> 00:48:35,520
probably already doing predictive or preventative, but we're

914
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:37,840
probably not doing predictive maintenance. And I think

915
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:41,040
our system with maybe 20 or so pumps

916
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:43,040
is such that we could get to a

917
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:46,320
point where we could be doing predictive maintenance.

918
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:47,920
And that's the kind of things I'm interested

919
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:50,474
in is, are we running the right pumps

920
00:48:50,474 --> 00:48:51,994
in the right way? And you know, we're

921
00:48:51,994 --> 00:48:54,075
moving because I don't think we are right

922
00:48:54,075 --> 00:48:55,835
now. I think it's just the wet wall

923
00:48:55,835 --> 00:48:58,315
comes on, float comes on and says pump.

924
00:48:58,474 --> 00:49:00,315
And you know, there's some efficiencies that we

925
00:49:00,315 --> 00:49:02,780
could get out of a small system if

926
00:49:02,780 --> 00:49:04,380
we put a little bit of money into

927
00:49:04,380 --> 00:49:09,099
that predictive and also operational efficiencies. Bill raised

928
00:49:09,099 --> 00:49:12,780
his hand. Well, over the last seven years,

929
00:49:12,780 --> 00:49:15,180
I started at Pump Station One. We put

930
00:49:15,180 --> 00:49:17,180
brand new xylum pumps in there, seven and

931
00:49:17,180 --> 00:49:18,875
a halfs. They'll have a seven and a

932
00:49:18,875 --> 00:49:20,635
half pump on the shelf. So if there's

933
00:49:20,635 --> 00:49:23,835
a breakdown, we can interchange that pump. Station

934
00:49:23,835 --> 00:49:27,195
number two, they went to 15 horsepower pumps.

935
00:49:27,195 --> 00:49:29,755
Did the same thing there. Station three, when

936
00:49:29,755 --> 00:49:31,690
we did the upgrades, we were only gonna

937
00:49:31,690 --> 00:49:33,290
put two in. We suggested we put a

938
00:49:33,290 --> 00:49:35,210
third one in there because that moves the

939
00:49:35,210 --> 00:49:40,170
most sewage per minute. Everything goes from Station

940
00:49:40,170 --> 00:49:43,530
3 to- Exactly. Up to King Row before

941
00:49:43,530 --> 00:49:45,765
it crosses over and goes down to the

942
00:49:45,765 --> 00:49:50,805
meter pit. But in that installation, I believe

943
00:49:50,805 --> 00:49:53,845
it was, I can't remember the engineer saying

944
00:49:53,845 --> 00:49:55,924
that was back in 2013, just when I

945
00:49:55,924 --> 00:49:59,270
started. But I said, Jimmy Stairs told me

946
00:49:59,270 --> 00:50:02,230
a horror story about that station running on

947
00:50:02,230 --> 00:50:04,870
one pump for seven months because they had

948
00:50:04,870 --> 00:50:07,270
ABS pumps in there from Sweden and we

949
00:50:07,270 --> 00:50:09,590
couldn't get the parts to fix it. So

950
00:50:09,590 --> 00:50:11,545
I said to Dennis Tracy, I said, would

951
00:50:11,545 --> 00:50:12,745
love to put a third pump in it.

952
00:50:12,745 --> 00:50:14,185
He says, well, you got the sump pump

953
00:50:14,185 --> 00:50:16,905
over there. I said, fill it in. And

954
00:50:16,905 --> 00:50:19,385
we didn't put three pumps in there. So,

955
00:50:19,385 --> 00:50:21,225
I mean, that's a matter of sleeping at

956
00:50:21,225 --> 00:50:22,985
night or not, if you're running a pump

957
00:50:22,985 --> 00:50:26,480
pump or, know, Having three in rotation, even

958
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:29,600
if you have to do maintenance, that one

959
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:31,280
pump gets pulled off at stand, you send

960
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:32,880
it out, you still have two pumps to

961
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:36,560
run the station. Also Station 5, Pence Reserve.

962
00:50:38,255 --> 00:50:41,775
There was a dual pump system in there.

963
00:50:41,855 --> 00:50:43,935
There was a pump that pumped it up

964
00:50:43,935 --> 00:50:46,095
to Gorman Rups on the second floor. There

965
00:50:46,095 --> 00:50:48,015
were submersibles down below, pumped it up to

966
00:50:48,015 --> 00:50:49,455
Gorman Rups and then pumped it up to

967
00:50:49,455 --> 00:50:52,655
the settling pond and then sprayed the dudes.

968
00:50:53,380 --> 00:50:57,060
We moved them into two xylophones, brand new

969
00:50:57,060 --> 00:51:00,020
control panel. So we have been dumping money

970
00:51:00,020 --> 00:51:04,020
into the stations and the pumps. The next

971
00:51:04,020 --> 00:51:05,619
phase of that would be to go through

972
00:51:05,619 --> 00:51:09,595
panels and start to update electric generators. I

973
00:51:09,595 --> 00:51:12,635
mean, the two ones, Devin Roeder, our old

974
00:51:13,435 --> 00:51:17,595
backup generators, when power fails, the generator kicks

975
00:51:17,595 --> 00:51:19,595
on and keeps the stuff flowing. Suppose it-

976
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:21,960
Well, the the other part of that's the

977
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:25,240
idea. The software aspect that says, you know,

978
00:51:25,240 --> 00:51:26,680
I can move the same amount of water

979
00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:29,480
running through BFEs at 50% for less money

980
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:32,840
than one BFE at 100%. So, let's let's

981
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:34,600
not go too technical. I know it's amazing.

982
00:51:35,415 --> 00:51:39,015
I'm saying is eyes glazing over. So you

983
00:51:39,015 --> 00:51:42,295
can hear that you don't hear. You're right.

984
00:51:42,295 --> 00:51:43,975
And when you get into looking at a

985
00:51:43,975 --> 00:51:46,935
specific facility, that's the time when you start

986
00:51:46,935 --> 00:51:49,735
doing those situations to see whether there's a

987
00:51:49,735 --> 00:51:52,090
better way to do that. But in a

988
00:51:52,090 --> 00:51:54,890
global sense, Bill has been addressing these one

989
00:51:54,890 --> 00:52:00,730
by one. Kevin writes 6.8 way, not the

990
00:52:00,730 --> 00:52:04,010
subject for this meeting, but I'd like to

991
00:52:04,490 --> 00:52:07,585
say thanks to Bill. He's back because he's

992
00:52:07,585 --> 00:52:10,225
gone for a while. Oh, you have no

993
00:52:10,225 --> 00:52:11,745
idea. Oh, he's been a lot of time.

994
00:52:11,745 --> 00:52:14,705
It wasn't very helpful. He's doing it. We

995
00:52:14,705 --> 00:52:22,090
have a follower. It was nice. I wasn't

996
00:52:22,090 --> 00:52:28,010
emailing you every few weeks. Anyway, but for

997
00:52:28,010 --> 00:52:32,465
Bill and for both Bills, yeah, of these

998
00:52:32,465 --> 00:52:34,705
things can be boring to look at this

999
00:52:34,705 --> 00:52:37,585
data, all this justification, but not if you

1000
00:52:37,585 --> 00:52:41,185
haven't seen it since 2013, the last rate

1001
00:52:41,185 --> 00:52:43,665
study was done. Not if you haven't seen

1002
00:52:43,665 --> 00:52:47,600
it during the process of asset purchase agreement,

1003
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:50,240
maybe a lot of work was done. We

1004
00:52:50,240 --> 00:52:52,480
haven't necessarily seen it. So I think that's

1005
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:55,040
this gentleman's point, that's some of the granularity

1006
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:57,760
and specificity that we as users and that

1007
00:52:57,760 --> 00:52:59,360
people who are gonna burden have to carry

1008
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:01,974
burden of increased costs because things get more

1009
00:53:01,974 --> 00:53:04,775
expensive. We just know that. Why? What's in

1010
00:53:04,775 --> 00:53:07,175
it? What about the CapEx? What about I

1011
00:53:07,175 --> 00:53:08,855
and I? What about all these things? And

1012
00:53:08,855 --> 00:53:11,015
so I was on a recoverable basis and

1013
00:53:11,095 --> 00:53:12,935
share all the information, then it's all gonna

1014
00:53:12,935 --> 00:53:15,670
be a lot easier to swallow or flush.

1015
00:53:17,910 --> 00:53:19,510
I'm sorry, I wish you had the links.

1016
00:53:19,510 --> 00:53:27,110
Yeah. We have not heard in the back.

1017
00:53:27,734 --> 00:53:29,815
Try not to do seconds until everybody is

1018
00:53:29,815 --> 00:53:33,255
working. So mister Swift. I have two questions.

1019
00:53:33,894 --> 00:53:38,295
Mister Swift. The first is that the biggest

1020
00:53:38,295 --> 00:53:41,550
single cost of the sewage system is what's

1021
00:53:41,550 --> 00:53:45,630
paid to the Valley Forest sewer authority. Do

1022
00:53:45,630 --> 00:53:48,430
you have good projections as to what those

1023
00:53:48,430 --> 00:53:50,270
costs are going to be for the next

1024
00:53:50,270 --> 00:53:53,230
three to five years? So I don't know

1025
00:53:53,230 --> 00:53:55,715
the answer to that. Yes, it's the answer.

1026
00:53:55,715 --> 00:53:58,195
We do. Yes, we do. They may have

1027
00:53:58,195 --> 00:53:59,875
provided them. Yes, true. What I was gonna

1028
00:53:59,875 --> 00:54:02,595
say is they would provide that information to

1029
00:54:02,595 --> 00:54:06,675
the township. I'm sorry to interrupt. I just

1030
00:54:06,675 --> 00:54:09,040
wanted to make clear that the township will

1031
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:11,520
certainly provide that to the sewer engineers so

1032
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:15,360
they can incorporate that in the studies as

1033
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:18,240
we move forward in this process. The second

1034
00:54:18,240 --> 00:54:21,840
relates to something that Bill Schumacher had mentioned,

1035
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:24,235
which is I and I. In the litigation

1036
00:54:24,235 --> 00:54:28,555
with ACWA, ACWA, late in the case, made

1037
00:54:28,555 --> 00:54:33,195
the argument that INI was very excessive. And

1038
00:54:33,435 --> 00:54:37,510
I know based on Bill Haggen's comment that

1039
00:54:37,510 --> 00:54:40,390
the township is looking into that, but I

1040
00:54:40,390 --> 00:54:43,910
believe the best comprehensive study was more than

1041
00:54:43,910 --> 00:54:46,470
ten years ago. And are you going to

1042
00:54:46,470 --> 00:54:51,270
factor into your study the cost of a

1043
00:54:51,270 --> 00:54:58,175
comprehensive examination of INIs? So yes, we will

1044
00:54:58,175 --> 00:55:03,295
do that in the capital reserve, and it's

1045
00:55:03,295 --> 00:55:06,255
gonna be two components. So part of that

1046
00:55:06,255 --> 00:55:09,460
is if you should be inspecting your system,

1047
00:55:09,460 --> 00:55:12,819
industry standard is 20% every but we're gonna

1048
00:55:12,819 --> 00:55:14,819
have to also look at accelerating that to

1049
00:55:14,819 --> 00:55:17,300
get caught up to where we are today,

1050
00:55:18,020 --> 00:55:19,940
because that hasn't been done on a regular

1051
00:55:19,940 --> 00:55:25,645
basis. Before trying that, is there any Mike

1052
00:55:25,645 --> 00:55:27,805
Curry have not gone to? Correct, is that

1053
00:55:27,805 --> 00:55:30,285
correct? Yeah, Mike Curry, go ahead. Hey, Phil,

1054
00:55:30,285 --> 00:55:34,030
a question, the upcoming rate increases, will they

1055
00:55:34,030 --> 00:55:36,510
need PUC approval on that or the amount

1056
00:55:36,510 --> 00:55:39,390
speaks for itself? No, the township is not

1057
00:55:39,390 --> 00:55:42,990
subject to the PUC. Okay, so we're going

1058
00:55:42,990 --> 00:55:44,910
on the second round of questions. I just

1059
00:55:44,910 --> 00:55:46,750
ask that you try to, that you keep

1060
00:55:46,750 --> 00:55:49,135
it same rules, but move to a separate

1061
00:55:49,135 --> 00:55:51,454
topic if possible. Is there anybody who hasn't

1062
00:55:51,454 --> 00:55:53,855
spoken yet? Actually, do we have, no, do

1063
00:55:53,855 --> 00:55:55,615
we have anybody in the room? Not yet.

1064
00:55:56,494 --> 00:55:59,135
That's a repeat of Okay, I have my

1065
00:55:59,135 --> 00:56:01,214
recording for you too. Have a few. Do

1066
00:56:01,214 --> 00:56:04,559
you shop for electricity for the sewer system?

1067
00:56:04,559 --> 00:56:07,039
Because these pumps to which you referred are

1068
00:56:07,039 --> 00:56:10,400
energy hogs, as they in the petroleum business.

1069
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:12,720
So do you shop for electricity and lock

1070
00:56:12,720 --> 00:56:14,559
it in? I do all the time and

1071
00:56:14,559 --> 00:56:17,945
also shop for natural gas. So, all right.

1072
00:56:17,945 --> 00:56:20,185
That's something we should be doing. You can

1073
00:56:20,185 --> 00:56:22,585
do it in Pennsylvania. We're very thankful because

1074
00:56:22,585 --> 00:56:23,705
you can't do it in a lot of

1075
00:56:23,705 --> 00:56:26,505
states. And I also applaud you. I have

1076
00:56:26,505 --> 00:56:30,025
two sump pumps combined as a contingency so

1077
00:56:30,025 --> 00:56:31,385
I can sleep better at night so I

1078
00:56:31,385 --> 00:56:34,079
know exactly what you're talking about. Have you

1079
00:56:34,079 --> 00:56:36,640
ever contracted to do a study with the

1080
00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:39,520
township and then follow through and took over

1081
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:43,279
running of the sewer system? So we do

1082
00:56:43,279 --> 00:56:45,815
not do any operations. Do you have a

1083
00:56:45,815 --> 00:56:49,174
division that does that? No. Alright. Thanks. So

1084
00:56:49,174 --> 00:56:50,694
he doesn't have a best interest in the

1085
00:56:50,694 --> 00:56:57,255
conductor. Yes. Based on my review of minutes

1086
00:56:57,255 --> 00:57:00,400
going back to nineteen ninety nine, ninety eight.

1087
00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:04,000
There's a comprehensive video to speak in terms

1088
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:08,880
of my friend Bob Bob Quick. The that

1089
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:13,655
the system was fully videoed in 1998. Another

1090
00:57:13,655 --> 00:57:17,975
point regarding to our grinder pumps. These are

1091
00:57:17,975 --> 00:57:20,615
not positive replacement pumps. That means that if

1092
00:57:20,615 --> 00:57:23,255
you have head pressure that means resistance and

1093
00:57:23,255 --> 00:57:25,175
your pump is just churning there, you get

1094
00:57:25,175 --> 00:57:28,260
false flow readings because it's not measuring flow.

1095
00:57:28,260 --> 00:57:30,900
It's measuring how long. It's measuring average in

1096
00:57:30,900 --> 00:57:33,620
terms of what that that that pump's doing.

1097
00:57:33,620 --> 00:57:36,980
So, point about false readings about some pumps,

1098
00:57:36,980 --> 00:57:40,260
that's absolutely correct. The objective would be put

1099
00:57:40,260 --> 00:57:43,484
in a a measurement of water flow from

1100
00:57:43,484 --> 00:57:46,285
your well that you would that would measure

1101
00:57:46,285 --> 00:57:48,365
what you're actually measuring. And then if you

1102
00:57:48,365 --> 00:57:50,525
wanted to subtract from your water flow from

1103
00:57:50,525 --> 00:57:53,885
the well, you take it not excluding your

1104
00:57:53,885 --> 00:57:57,280
external. This question was brought up in the

1105
00:57:57,280 --> 00:58:02,720
same time period, 1998, '19 '90 '9. It

1106
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:06,960
was discussed. There were solutions to it. There's

1107
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:08,960
been a lot of technology since then too.

1108
00:58:09,119 --> 00:58:15,105
Yes. Improvement. Less cost. Remote reading, everything. Ease,

1109
00:58:15,105 --> 00:58:17,105
plastic pumps, you can do your own cell

1110
00:58:17,105 --> 00:58:20,224
phone. And that's what we're hoping to get

1111
00:58:20,224 --> 00:58:22,865
out of it. Let me just address some

1112
00:58:22,865 --> 00:58:24,944
properties that are on well, not on public

1113
00:58:24,944 --> 00:58:27,630
funds. So there's usually two ways to end.

1114
00:58:29,230 --> 00:58:32,270
The system owner will allow you to put

1115
00:58:32,270 --> 00:58:35,390
a meter on your well, and you get

1116
00:58:35,390 --> 00:58:36,990
the meter readings just as if you were

1117
00:58:36,990 --> 00:58:39,715
connected to Aqua system. And they'll get that

1118
00:58:39,715 --> 00:58:43,234
and that's how they'll calculate your bill. They'll

1119
00:58:43,234 --> 00:58:46,595
also charge you a flat rate. Typically flat

1120
00:58:46,595 --> 00:58:51,075
rates are higher than the average usage bill

1121
00:58:51,075 --> 00:58:54,450
because the system owners, I'm not saying that

1122
00:58:54,450 --> 00:58:57,330
the township will do this, system owners want

1123
00:58:57,330 --> 00:58:59,970
you to be on a metered system so

1124
00:58:59,970 --> 00:59:02,850
that number one, it benefits you, and number

1125
00:59:03,010 --> 00:59:06,210
two, it makes it easier for them to

1126
00:59:06,210 --> 00:59:08,424
generate their bills because they're just using one

1127
00:59:08,424 --> 00:59:10,424
formula. They don't have to like figure out,

1128
00:59:10,424 --> 00:59:12,345
all here's all the usage people and then,

1129
00:59:12,505 --> 00:59:14,105
all right, I gotta separately do flat rate

1130
00:59:14,105 --> 00:59:17,625
bills. But my understanding is that the best

1131
00:59:17,625 --> 00:59:19,625
practice on that is to take the metering

1132
00:59:19,625 --> 00:59:22,200
zone, your three monthly, if you win a

1133
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:24,840
month where you're not irrigating your lawn and

1134
00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:27,320
use those three months as your average on

1135
00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:29,080
flow rates if you're trying to establish a

1136
00:59:29,080 --> 00:59:34,040
base rate. We're not going to get into

1137
00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:35,960
that. I I know that but that's I'm

1138
00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:38,924
just saying that he's talking about solutions and

1139
00:59:38,924 --> 00:59:41,244
I'm saying this is what I understand. I'm

1140
00:59:41,244 --> 00:59:43,244
not talking about solutions, I'm talking about what

1141
00:59:43,244 --> 00:59:45,964
I've observed of how system owners calculate the

1142
00:59:45,964 --> 00:59:49,484
rates. Well, this is another method that other

1143
00:59:49,484 --> 00:59:54,360
users have done. Yeah. Thank you. And we

1144
00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:57,080
might, Zoom is a little tricky sometimes with

1145
00:59:57,080 --> 01:00:00,920
the raised hands. Mr. Stolliers, did you have

1146
01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:02,360
something else to say or is your hand

1147
01:00:02,360 --> 01:00:05,414
still up? No, I did. My hand, I

1148
01:00:05,414 --> 01:00:08,214
reraised my hand. I apologize. No, go ahead.

1149
01:00:08,214 --> 01:00:11,015
And I think that was Jerry that was

1150
01:00:11,015 --> 01:00:13,095
just talking about the addition of the water

1151
01:00:13,095 --> 01:00:17,310
And yes, that's exactly I would want it

1152
01:00:17,310 --> 01:00:22,990
right before my water processing where the softener

1153
01:00:22,990 --> 01:00:25,950
and neutralizer is. And then my outdoor water,

1154
01:00:25,950 --> 01:00:28,030
I don't have to deduct anything. But anyway,

1155
01:00:28,365 --> 01:00:30,365
Dana, this is kind of for you and

1156
01:00:30,845 --> 01:00:34,445
not so much for Carol Engineering. For folks

1157
01:00:34,445 --> 01:00:37,565
who are getting a metered bill off the

1158
01:00:37,565 --> 01:00:40,285
hour meter, no one has said anything in

1159
01:00:40,285 --> 01:00:41,900
all of the years this has been done,

1160
01:00:41,900 --> 01:00:43,660
and I think it's time for this to

1161
01:00:43,660 --> 01:00:46,060
come to an end. But we get a

1162
01:00:46,700 --> 01:00:48,460
bill that just says, Here's your number of

1163
01:00:48,460 --> 01:00:51,259
gallons. When I get the electric bill, it

1164
01:00:51,259 --> 01:00:54,375
tells me my start, my end, and how

1165
01:00:54,375 --> 01:00:57,015
many kilowatts. I can do the math. I

1166
01:00:57,015 --> 01:00:59,495
can't do any math. Nobody that gets one

1167
01:00:59,495 --> 01:01:01,335
of these bills can do any math. So

1168
01:01:01,335 --> 01:01:03,975
in other words, we need a start and

1169
01:01:03,975 --> 01:01:08,080
an end and a conversion factor to equal

1170
01:01:08,080 --> 01:01:11,440
my number of gallons. It's basically unacceptable the

1171
01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:13,359
way it is. So, I mean, that's something

1172
01:01:13,359 --> 01:01:15,680
that just needs to be kind of updated

1173
01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:19,925
going forward since we're opening everything a You're

1174
01:01:19,925 --> 01:01:24,005
in a I'm on a well. But we

1175
01:01:24,085 --> 01:01:26,325
have the hour meter on. And going back

1176
01:01:26,325 --> 01:01:29,365
to what Jerry had said with the pump,

1177
01:01:30,005 --> 01:01:31,685
my dad was an engineer. I come from

1178
01:01:31,685 --> 01:01:33,765
a family of engineers. He was the guy

1179
01:01:33,765 --> 01:01:37,800
who stuck the system in here. And basically,

1180
01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:40,200
I've got a lot ahead that I'm pushing

1181
01:01:40,200 --> 01:01:43,079
up to get to where the got to

1182
01:01:43,079 --> 01:01:45,640
get through a couple check valves. So most

1183
01:01:45,640 --> 01:01:47,984
likely, what's happening is I'm getting stuff that

1184
01:01:47,984 --> 01:01:49,905
comes back down and the pump churn, churn,

1185
01:01:49,905 --> 01:01:54,145
churn, churns. And the bills haven't been bad

1186
01:01:54,464 --> 01:01:57,505
lately, but, you know, I'm waiting because we've

1187
01:01:57,505 --> 01:02:00,145
all seemed to have gotten these phantom bills.

1188
01:02:01,700 --> 01:02:03,780
So that's why I'm saying we really need

1189
01:02:04,180 --> 01:02:07,940
a start, an end, a conversion factor, and

1190
01:02:07,940 --> 01:02:10,660
then the number of gallons. Deep lymphatics. Okay.

1191
01:02:10,660 --> 01:02:15,015
We hear you. Thank you. Absolutely. Thank you

1192
01:02:15,015 --> 01:02:18,535
very much. I've got an additional clarification. I

1193
01:02:18,535 --> 01:02:22,695
understand that mister Shoemaker declared the use for

1194
01:02:22,775 --> 01:02:26,214
this is back in in the exhibit H

1195
01:02:26,440 --> 01:02:30,600
that the flow rates consumer including I and

1196
01:02:30,600 --> 01:02:34,200
I was two fifty gallons per day, okay?

1197
01:02:35,400 --> 01:02:38,840
Has anybody done any analysis within your accounting

1198
01:02:38,840 --> 01:02:43,055
department to determine, compare these flow rates we're

1199
01:02:43,055 --> 01:02:45,454
being charged for through Valley Forge and Valley

1200
01:02:45,454 --> 01:02:49,295
Trunk Line versus how much how much we're

1201
01:02:49,295 --> 01:02:52,815
being billed how much we're being billed. We

1202
01:02:52,815 --> 01:02:54,815
know there's a big discrepancy which is why

1203
01:02:54,815 --> 01:02:56,095
we know we have an I and I

1204
01:02:56,095 --> 01:02:58,500
problem. What? I don't know what the number

1205
01:02:58,500 --> 01:03:01,300
is, but it's it's a variable. Estimate is

1206
01:03:01,300 --> 01:03:04,980
it's close to 40%. No. Excuse me. It's

1207
01:03:04,980 --> 01:03:09,700
almost 80% of what's actually being billed. I

1208
01:03:09,700 --> 01:03:11,940
don't seem to recall the number is that

1209
01:03:12,095 --> 01:03:16,335
that high but what I'm saying is we

1210
01:03:16,335 --> 01:03:18,095
know we have a problem and that's why

1211
01:03:18,095 --> 01:03:21,615
we're going after it. Has anybody determined what

1212
01:03:21,615 --> 01:03:24,255
the cost benefit analysis would be to take

1213
01:03:24,255 --> 01:03:27,410
care of the the major problem. The major

1214
01:03:27,410 --> 01:03:30,130
problems. You you attack my business. It my

1215
01:03:30,130 --> 01:03:32,049
experience been the tax for the major problem

1216
01:03:32,049 --> 01:03:34,210
before you deal with the minor problems, okay?

1217
01:03:34,210 --> 01:03:38,369
Now, comments have been made regarding conflicts between

1218
01:03:38,530 --> 01:03:42,965
Pendot Roads and our our sewer system lines.

1219
01:03:42,965 --> 01:03:45,285
Is is Paley Pike 1 of those issues?

1220
01:03:45,285 --> 01:03:47,605
Paley Pike is State Road. Were you aware

1221
01:03:47,605 --> 01:03:49,365
of the fact that the sewers two three

1222
01:03:49,365 --> 01:03:52,245
thousand two hundred feet of that were installed

1223
01:03:52,245 --> 01:03:58,120
by township contract in 1998, '19 '90 '9.

1224
01:03:58,120 --> 01:03:59,800
Were you aware? Wasn't installed by the state.

1225
01:03:59,800 --> 01:04:02,200
No. No. No. No. The road. No. You

1226
01:04:02,200 --> 01:04:05,480
did. Your minutes, in your minutes, it says,

1227
01:04:05,560 --> 01:04:07,720
if you did the work, 80% of the

1228
01:04:07,720 --> 01:04:12,135
budget came through the state. But but you,

1229
01:04:12,135 --> 01:04:15,015
Willstown did the construction. That's my understanding based

1230
01:04:15,015 --> 01:04:18,695
on your minutes. Construction of the sewer system.

1231
01:04:18,775 --> 01:04:22,135
Storm drainage. Okay, we're not talking about storm

1232
01:04:22,135 --> 01:04:24,930
sewers here. We're talking about No. No. The

1233
01:04:24,930 --> 01:04:28,210
problem my understanding is that the storm sewer

1234
01:04:28,210 --> 01:04:31,810
has problems that have caused leaks in the

1235
01:04:31,970 --> 01:04:34,290
Okay. Sanitary we bought it, though. We're not

1236
01:04:34,290 --> 01:04:37,825
gonna sit here and analyze those aspects. We're

1237
01:04:37,825 --> 01:04:39,825
trying to figure this out. We know that

1238
01:04:39,825 --> 01:04:43,185
there are many places where storm sewers and

1239
01:04:43,185 --> 01:04:47,105
sanitary sewers are in close proximity, let's put

1240
01:04:47,105 --> 01:04:48,785
it that way. They may not necessarily be

1241
01:04:48,785 --> 01:04:50,145
in the same trench, but they're in close

1242
01:04:50,145 --> 01:04:54,040
proximity. There have been issues where the storm

1243
01:04:54,040 --> 01:04:57,640
sewers, which are in many places corrugated metal,

1244
01:04:57,640 --> 01:05:01,240
have rusted out, the water is coming out

1245
01:05:01,240 --> 01:05:03,880
the bottom of them. All these are I

1246
01:05:03,880 --> 01:05:06,645
and I issues. We can't sit here today

1247
01:05:06,645 --> 01:05:08,885
and say, well, this storm sewer or that

1248
01:05:08,885 --> 01:05:12,885
storm sewer. We don't know that. And that's

1249
01:05:12,965 --> 01:05:14,325
what we're going to try to find out.

1250
01:05:14,325 --> 01:05:18,645
We don't have those answers. But the general

1251
01:05:18,645 --> 01:05:21,570
question is, respect is, if we know that

1252
01:05:21,570 --> 01:05:24,290
there are problems with a conflict between a

1253
01:05:24,530 --> 01:05:27,730
storm system that's causing problems to our sanitary

1254
01:05:27,730 --> 01:05:31,890
system, why haven't we done something more forcefully

1255
01:05:31,890 --> 01:05:35,675
with respect to the entities who built it

1256
01:05:35,675 --> 01:05:39,195
or maintained it or have that responsibility? My

1257
01:05:39,195 --> 01:05:42,475
point to it is my understanding is that

1258
01:05:42,475 --> 01:05:47,355
was along 3,200 feet was a well sound

1259
01:05:47,355 --> 01:05:50,770
right. Okay, thank you, thank you. This is

1260
01:05:50,770 --> 01:05:53,570
not the form for that. We have a

1261
01:05:53,570 --> 01:05:55,410
lot of storm water coming down right now,

1262
01:05:55,410 --> 01:05:58,850
it's adding to all the problems we're talking

1263
01:05:58,850 --> 01:06:02,385
about here tonight, immeasurably. So if there are

1264
01:06:02,385 --> 01:06:04,225
no more questions, I'm gonna adjourn the meeting

1265
01:06:04,225 --> 01:06:05,745
so people can get on before it becomes

1266
01:06:05,745 --> 01:06:08,225
horrible. Mike Kerstownach? Yeah, so are you gonna

1267
01:06:08,225 --> 01:06:10,385
have another meeting right there? Yes, so what

1268
01:06:10,385 --> 01:06:12,385
will happen is we will hopefully get all

1269
01:06:12,385 --> 01:06:16,650
the final reports with no appendix left behind

1270
01:06:17,050 --> 01:06:19,609
by the September. And then we will meet

1271
01:06:19,609 --> 01:06:22,490
to talk about them in public forum like

1272
01:06:22,490 --> 01:06:25,050
this. And in the meantime, I think we

1273
01:06:25,050 --> 01:06:27,369
might set up a module on Ratanjak website

1274
01:06:27,369 --> 01:06:29,825
if you have questions or comments about the

1275
01:06:29,825 --> 01:06:32,145
study in the interim that you maybe didn't

1276
01:06:32,145 --> 01:06:34,625
think of today. We'll try and set something

1277
01:06:34,625 --> 01:06:36,865
up that they can be submitted online. Can

1278
01:06:37,505 --> 01:06:40,464
there be progress meetings? We are saying that

1279
01:06:40,464 --> 01:06:42,500
we will have the progress meeting. That's exactly

1280
01:06:42,500 --> 01:06:44,260
what we're saying. Thank you, rather than the

1281
01:06:44,260 --> 01:06:52,020
final report. Correct. Might do those at regularly

1282
01:06:52,020 --> 01:06:56,115
scheduled board meetings. Or either before or after

1283
01:06:56,115 --> 01:06:57,875
to paint us on the. Yep. Yep. The

1284
01:06:57,875 --> 01:07:00,915
scope rules anticipate. Yep. Yep. Transparency. Mister Penn

1285
01:07:00,915 --> 01:07:02,435
State in the back. Tell me your name.

1286
01:07:02,435 --> 01:07:05,235
I can only see. Mean, I'm going associate.

1287
01:07:05,235 --> 01:07:07,475
Are there going to be several meetings to

1288
01:07:07,475 --> 01:07:10,109
to look at the stormwater issues? Yes, so

1289
01:07:10,109 --> 01:07:12,269
right now we're undergoing a storm water master

1290
01:07:12,269 --> 01:07:16,109
plan. Yep, Right now they're in a small,

1291
01:07:16,109 --> 01:07:18,190
big pond down White Rock. Yeah, you're not

1292
01:07:18,190 --> 01:07:20,990
alone. You're not alone. Very wet township. All

1293
01:07:20,990 --> 01:07:22,430
right, the next meeting of the Board of

1294
01:07:22,430 --> 01:07:25,734
Supervisors is July 17, '7 pm. Same bad

1295
01:07:25,734 --> 01:07:27,575
time, same bad place. Thank you very much.