[1:06] Okay, I'd like to call the meeting to
[1:09] order. It's Tuesday, July 28th. It is 6
[1:13] p.m.
[1:15] Dina, do we have a quorum?
[1:17] >> Yes, ma'am.
[1:18] » Yes, ma'am.
[1:18] >> Thank you. Okay. Would Ted Chitchens
[1:21] » Thank you. Okay. Would Ted Chitchens
[1:21] come forward? Ted, we're going to have
[1:24] you come say the prayer.
[1:30] Well, Madame Mayor and uh
[1:32] [clears throat]
[1:33] council members, men and women, the
[1:35] community thanks you for your service.
[1:38] Uh the spiritual comm community prays
[1:39] for you and uh we don't overlook the
[1:41] fact that you invest a lot of time
[1:43] trying to make our lives more prosperous
[1:46] and peaceful. So, it's my great joy to
[1:49] pray for you. Uh uh Father, we approach
[1:52] uh your sovereign throne this evening
[1:55] asking you for good favor for this
[1:58] meeting. Thanking you for each of these
[2:00] council men and women and the mayor who
[2:04] do sacrifice a great deal of time uh who
[2:07] give of themselves so that our lives can
[2:09] be more comfortable. we can be resting
[2:12] in peace raising our children and
[2:14] grandchildren in in a community that
[2:16] we're proud to be a part of. So, thank
[2:17] you for their service. Lord, I know
[2:20] there's a lot of decisions need to be
[2:21] made tonight that um individuals in the
[2:23] room are all being a part of. Uh I ask
[2:26] you that you'd give the council insight
[2:29] and wisdom as it relates to the the
[2:32] needs that are being presented [snorts]
[2:34] and everyone would uh be [clears throat]
[2:36] in love with each other from a Christian
[2:38] perspective even if there's times of
[2:40] disagreement and that at the end of the
[2:42] evening the things that need to be
[2:44] accomplished for the sake of the Willow
[2:47] Park community will be accomplished and
[2:48] this is our prayer to you Lord God in
[2:51] the name of your son our Lord Jesus.
[2:54] >> Amen.
[2:54] » Amen.
[2:54] >> Amen.
[2:54] » Amen.
[2:54] >> Amen.
[2:56] » Amen.
[2:56] [cough and clears throat]
[2:57] I [snorts] pledge allegiance to the flag
[3:00] of the United States of America and to
[3:03] the republic for which it stands, one
[3:06] nation under God, indivisible, with
[3:09] liberty and justice for all.
[3:14] » Honor the Texas flag. I aliance to thee,
[3:18] Texas, one state under God, one and
[3:22] indivisible.
[3:25] Thank you, Pastor [clears throat] Ted
[3:27] Kitchens. We appreciate you.
[3:37] Okay, tonight I'm sharing the Bible
[3:39] verse James 1:19.
[3:42] This you know, my beloved brethren,
[3:45] but everyone must be quick to hear, slow
[3:49] to speak, and slow to anger.
[3:53] Okay, Joyce, would you like to come
[3:55] forward?
[3:57] Okay. The business I'd like to highlight
[4:00] tonight is Clean Eats Cafe located at
[4:03] 337
[4:05] Shops Boulevard. The owner is Joyce
[4:08] Bone. I had lunch there Thursday with
[4:11] some friends and I had the bison burger
[4:13] which was great. So, Joyce, do you want
[4:15] to step to the podium and just say a
[4:18] quick word about your business?
[4:21] Yes, ma'am. My name is Joyce and I
[4:24] picked uh Willow Park to retire and
[4:27] [snorts] chop broccoli for the rest of
[4:28] my life. Um we are a cafe uh that also
[4:33] does uh graband go meals. We focus on
[4:37] healthy, wholesome food. We also do a
[4:40] weekly meal prep where you can do
[4:42] special orders. We do special diets. Um
[4:45] anything that you need to have done, we
[4:47] do. We can do school lunches, school
[4:49] meals, daycarees, uh anything to that
[4:52] effect. And we also do a lot of
[4:54] catering. Love Willow Park, love the
[4:57] people, which you guys are which makes
[4:59] this place absolutely great. And love
[5:02] the community and hopefully it will go,
[5:05] you know, forward under Mayor Palmer in
[5:08] the right direction. So, thank you very
[5:11] much.
[5:11] >> Thank you. Please. Welcome to town.
[5:15] » Thank you. Please. Welcome to town.
[5:15] [applause]
[5:18] Okay. So, next we have a proclamation to
[5:21] recognize the Alto High School baseball
[5:24] team.
[5:26] >> They were in meeting today, by the way.
[5:29] » They were in meeting today, by the way.
[5:29] >> Were they? [laughter]
[5:37] » Look at those.
[5:38] >> How impressive are those? Okay, I'm
[5:41] » How impressive are those? Okay, I'm
[5:41] going to read your proclamation.
[5:43] >> [clears throat]
[5:43] » [clears throat]
[5:43] >> Okay.
[5:45] » Okay.
[5:45] So, whereas the Alto High School Bearcat
[5:49] baseball team brought home a class 5A
[5:53] state championship in 2026, capping off
[5:57] back-to-back titles. Wow. Right.
[6:00] Whereas, head coach Chad Barry,
[6:04] that's him. Yeah. and his program have
[6:07] now won three state titles in the last
[6:10] 12 years and was named the Texas High
[6:12] School Coaches Association 5A region
[6:16] three coach of the year. And whereas the
[6:19] Bearcats show strength and hard work on
[6:23] and off the field with five players
[6:25] named to the Allstate tournament team,
[6:28] one player on the Texas High School
[6:31] Baseball Coaches Association Allstar
[6:33] Game
[6:35] and THSBCA
[6:38] class 5A elite team and two allstate
[6:42] first team selections. And whereas the
[6:46] city of Willow Park is honored to be the
[6:48] largest city in Alo Independent School
[6:52] District and the home of many of the
[6:56] exceptional young players. And now
[6:58] therefore, I, Mayor Teresa Palmer, ask
[7:02] you to join me in recognizing the hard
[7:05] work of these players, the coaching
[7:07] staff, and the assorted trainers,
[7:09] families, and fans who made us proud to
[7:12] be part of such an exciting time. I urge
[7:16] all citizens to extend their
[7:18] congratulations to the baseball team in
[7:20] the Alto Independent School District as
[7:23] a whole and witness whereof. I have set
[7:26] my hand and caused the seal of Willow
[7:29] Park, Texas to be affixed
[7:32] this 28th day of July 2026.
[7:38] [applause]
[7:43] » [applause]
[7:50] [applause]
[7:54] » That
[8:01] of three. One, two,
[8:10] [applause]
[8:24] That was very nice. Thank you.
[8:29] Okay. Item two is a consent agenda to
[8:33] approve the regular council meetings
[8:35] from July 14th. We have some changes
[8:38] that need to be worked on. Dina, where
[8:40] are we on those? Are we waiting? What
[8:42] are we doing?
[8:44] Um, the mayor sent me a message that
[8:47] said that she would like added or
[8:49] changed in the minutes um to say that
[8:53] Mayor Palmer stated she had asked for
[8:55] this item to be put on the agenda
[8:56] because she received a phone call and an
[8:58] email from council person in another
[9:01] city
[9:03] um WHP overheard the city manager and
[9:06] city planner at of Willow Park speaking
[9:09] to other public officials as TML meeting
[9:12] and they were saying false fishes. some
[9:14] malicious things about the mayor.
[9:15] >> Yep.
[9:16] » Yep.
[9:16] >> She asked the council to consider
[9:17] » She asked the council to consider
[9:17] adopting an ordinance for new code of
[9:20] conduct. The city manager acknowledged
[9:22] her behavior at the TML meeting. So, I
[9:26] told her that because this is a
[9:27] correction totally different from what's
[9:29] in the minutes that it needed to be
[9:31] addressed at the table and that the
[9:34] council would be the ones to make the
[9:35] decision what goes in the minutes if it
[9:37] needs to be corrected or not. And you
[9:40] can either vote on it as, and correct me
[9:43] if I'm wrong, you can vote on it that
[9:45] you can say yes, we want that added and
[9:51] I can correct them. They can be approved
[9:53] tonight with the corruption or it can be
[9:55] tabled until the next meeting.
[9:58] Okay. So, I I literally said that. So, I
[10:02] want what I said, not what was rephrased
[10:06] in the minutes. Uh
[10:07] >> we don't we don't do minutes verbatim
[10:09] » we don't we don't do minutes verbatim
[10:09] >> right but this is very critical I think
[10:12] » right but this is very critical I think
[10:12] what I said
[10:13] >> you know what was
[10:14] » you know what was
[10:14] >> the Bible verse hold your thought the
[10:16] » the Bible verse hold your thought the
[10:16] Bible verse was 2121 that was only the
[10:19] thing that I saw in there
[10:21] >> I'll check that
[10:21] » I'll check that
[10:22] >> right
[10:22] » right
[10:22] >> I'll change that
[10:23] » I'll change that
[10:23] >> okay perfect so I want what I said in
[10:27] » okay perfect so I want what I said in
[10:27] the minutes not what was rewritten so
[10:31] I'm [clears throat] asking for a motion
[10:33] to approve fixing the minutes do we have
[10:36] a motion to do that.
[10:38] >> Tony has a question. The last sentence
[10:40] » Tony has a question. The last sentence
[10:40] was the city manager acknowledged her
[10:42] behavior at the TML meeting.
[10:43] >> That is incorrect.
[10:46] » That is incorrect.
[10:46] >> Okay. So, my memory of the discussion
[10:49] » Okay. So, my memory of the discussion
[10:49] and we do have it on video is one
[10:52] comment you made is your comments that
[10:56] y'all made were after the meeting.
[10:59] That's what you said at the meeting and
[11:02] this complaint was 15 minutes into the
[11:04] meeting. So that is a correction that
[11:08] the person who wrote the letter of
[11:11] complaint it was 15 minutes into the
[11:14] meeting. So maybe you did it correct 15
[11:16] minutes into the meeting and then after
[11:18] the meeting probably several times I'm
[11:20] guessing.
[11:20] >> So this was for item number seven on the
[11:23] » So this was for item number seven on the
[11:23] July 14th meetings that are before you
[11:26] for approval. So it's item number seven
[11:28] that we're talking about.
[11:33] Well, can I suggest that [clears throat]
[11:35] if you do have a video that you make
[11:37] sure city council has the opportunity to
[11:39] view the video before they make a
[11:40] decision?
[11:41] >> Mhm. Okay. So, we want to table this and
[11:43] » Mhm. Okay. So, we want to table this and
[11:43] work on them and that way everybody can
[11:45] go back and listen the video, listen
[11:46] what was said.
[11:47] >> I didn't say that. That's up to city
[11:49] » I didn't say that. That's up to city
[11:49] council. What I said was I just wanted
[11:50] to make sure that everyone knew that
[11:52] that was available. Correct.
[11:54] >> Okay. So, do y'all want if you're not
[11:56] » Okay. So, do y'all want if you're not
[11:56] going to make a motion, do y'all want to
[11:57] table it? Make a motion to table.
[12:01] >> I'll make a motion to approve the
[12:02] » I'll make a motion to approve the
[12:02] regular city council meeting minutes
[12:04] dated July 14, 2026 as presented.
[12:10] » Okay. Do we have a second to
[12:12] >> a statement on I want if the mayor is
[12:14] » a statement on I want if the mayor is
[12:14] asking for specific
[12:17] verbiage that she specifically said and
[12:20] would like that added. I have no issue
[12:22] there. it will become at anything else
[12:24] that was
[12:26] opinion at that point and that's where
[12:30] like if you want to take the verbatim
[12:32] what you said and have that added as a
[12:34] script I have no issue there but I
[12:37] believe Miss Fischer has said that she
[12:38] didn't admit to that so there won't be
[12:42] any opinions added that I would go back
[12:44] and redo anything that you said is
[12:46] obviously part of it and the
[12:47] summarization is the process by which we
[12:50] do this
[12:50] >> I don't know what you just
[12:52] » I don't know what you just
[12:52] So, you're asking me to,
[12:55] >> if the council so desires to add the
[12:57] » if the council so desires to add the
[12:57] item that the mayor talked about
[12:59] verbatim as a a part of what's already
[13:03] there or change what's there,
[13:06] >> I would say make it an addition looking
[13:08] » I would say make it an addition looking
[13:08] at what's there. There's nothing that
[13:11] you can just add it.
[13:12] >> It was just a summary. Correct. That's
[13:14] » It was just a summary. Correct. That's
[13:14] how I do the minutes. I do
[13:15] [clears throat] a summary of what's the
[13:16] discussion. So,
[13:17] >> the summary is fine in my opinion. And
[13:18] » the summary is fine in my opinion. And
[13:18] if the mayor feels that her specific
[13:20] statements need to be added, I have no
[13:21] issue with that.
[13:22] >> We need a second on the motion or the
[13:24] » We need a second on the motion or the
[13:24] motion will die.
[13:25] >> Okay. Do we have a second for Nathan?
[13:27] » Okay. Do we have a second for Nathan?
[13:27] >> No, I'll I'll withdraw my motion.
[13:29] » No, I'll I'll withdraw my motion.
[13:29] >> Okay. So, do we have a second for
[13:31] » Okay. So, do we have a second for
[13:31] Nathan?
[13:32] >> I'll let me make the motion first
[13:34] » I'll let me make the motion first
[13:34] officially so we can go ahead. I'll make
[13:35] a motion to um update the city council
[13:40] meeting minutes from the 14th to reflect
[13:44] the mayor's verbatim uh statements that
[13:46] she would like added.
[13:48] >> Second.
[13:49] » Second.
[13:49] >> Second. All in favor.
[13:52] » Second. All in favor.
[13:52] Okay. Thank you very much. I appreciate
[13:54] that.
[13:56] >> Did you skip public comments?
[13:58] » Did you skip public comments?
[13:58] >> No, we're going there. Sorry.
[14:02] » No, we're going there. Sorry.
[14:02] That's where we're at. Sorry.
[14:10] Next for public comments,
[14:14] Kenna Hannah.
[14:16] [clears throat]
[14:19] Mayor Teresa Palmer, council members and
[14:21] other city administrators and citizens.
[14:24] For your information, character
[14:26] assassination is a deliberate,
[14:28] malicious, and sustained effort to
[14:29] damage and rep reputation the
[14:31] credibility or character of an
[14:33] individual. It often relies on spreading
[14:35] rumors, manipulating facts, and using
[14:37] unfair criticism to destroy how the
[14:39] public or peers perceive the target
[14:40] person. Key components: intentional
[14:43] misinformation to use half-truths,
[14:46] exaggerating claims, or unright lies to
[14:48] paint someone in the negative light.
[14:51] Reputation damage. The primary goal is
[14:54] to make people stop trusting, liking or
[14:56] respecting the target person format. It
[14:59] happens through smear campaigns, gossip,
[15:02] media attacks or orchestrated public
[15:04] criticism. Why is it used? People or
[15:06] groups often resort to this tactic when
[15:08] they cannot compete fairly or lack
[15:11] logical arguments. By attacking
[15:13] someone's morals or inte integrity
[15:15] rather than their actual work, the
[15:17] attacker tries to disqualify them from a
[15:19] debate, election, or a social circle.
[15:23] A city council in Texas does not have
[15:25] the right to strip a mayor of their
[15:26] constitutional freedom of speech. An
[15:28] elected mayor retains their first
[15:30] amendment rights to express opinions
[15:32] even when those views are controversial
[15:34] or critical at the national level. In
[15:37] Texas, neither a city council nor city
[15:39] manager has a legal authority to
[15:40] unilaterally strip an elected mayor of
[15:43] their official duties or removed from
[15:44] their office state level. City council.
[15:48] A council cannot fire, suspend or strip
[15:51] elected mayor of their core legislative
[15:53] or presiding duties under Texas law or
[15:55] elected officials tenure is protected by
[15:58] the city level. City manager or city
[16:00] manager and administrative employee
[16:02] hired by council that oversee day-to-day
[16:04] staff operations have zero authority
[16:07] over elected officials. An ordinance of
[16:09] the city of Will Park, Texas, amending
[16:12] the city of Willow Park code ordinances.
[16:14] The portion that says chapter one
[16:16] providing the mayor and the city
[16:19] administrator to have control of the
[16:20] city control agenda. Duly passed at city
[16:24] council November 17, 2025. Let us
[16:27] sincerely try to respect the voters and
[16:30] those who have been elected by the
[16:31] voters in this city of Will Park, Texas
[16:34] of this United States of America. Thank
[16:37] you all. Thank you, Kenneth.
[16:40] [applause]
[16:43] » Okay, next we have Tara Stark.
[16:47] [clears throat]
[16:52] Good evening, mayor and council members.
[16:53] My name is Tara Stark and I live at 2004
[16:56] Ranch House Road. I want to speak
[16:58] tonight about something bigger than one
[17:00] development, any one property, or any
[17:03] one decision that comes before the
[17:05] council. I want to talk about legacy.
[17:09] What standard will you set for the
[17:11] legacy you want to leave the city of
[17:13] Willow Park? Because the decisions made
[17:16] in this room don't end when a meeting
[17:18] adjourns. They become part of the
[17:21] community. They shape what we see when
[17:24] we drive down our roads, the quality of
[17:26] life within our neighborhoods, and the
[17:28] character of the city we call home. And
[17:32] those decisions don't affect only you
[17:34] and me. They affect our children, our
[17:37] children's children, and generations we
[17:40] will never meet.
[17:42] [snorts] The truth is, one day all of us
[17:44] will be gone. But the land will still be
[17:47] here. And what will Willow Park look
[17:50] like 20, 50, and even 100 years from now
[17:54] will be influenced by the standards we
[17:56] choose to uphold today. Growth is
[17:59] inevitable. Change is inevitable. And a
[18:02] hundred years from now, another
[18:04] generation may look at what we built and
[18:07] decide to bulldoze it all and start all
[18:09] over. But until then, we are the
[18:12] stewards of this place.
[18:15] We have been entrusted with a community
[18:17] worth protecting and an opportunity to
[18:20] shape what it becomes.
[18:23] So, as future decisions come before you,
[18:25] I hope the question isn't simply what
[18:27] can we approve. I hope the question is
[18:30] what should we approve? What fits the
[18:32] character of Willow Park? What protects
[18:35] the quality of life of the people who
[18:37] already call it home? What will we be
[18:40] proud to drive past 20 years from now
[18:42] and say, "We got that right."
[18:45] There will always be pressure to grow.
[18:47] There will always be financial
[18:49] consideration. There will always be
[18:52] someone asking for an exception,
[18:54] asking for a variance or a different
[18:56] standard. But standards matter because
[18:59] once we lower them, what that will allow
[19:02] will become the expectation of tomorrow.
[19:04] Each one of you have been given the
[19:06] responsibility and an opportunity to
[19:08] help shape the future of Willow Park. My
[19:10] hope is that when you make those
[19:12] decisions, you don't consider the next
[19:14] project or the next few years. Consider
[19:16] the legacy.
[19:18] Because long after all of us are gone,
[19:21] the land will remain. and what we leave
[19:24] behind will tell future generations what
[19:27] we valued while it was ours to protect.
[19:30] Thank you.
[19:31] >> Thank you, Terra. [applause]
[19:36] » And next we have Marcy Galley.
[19:40] [clears throat]
[19:43] Good evening, mayor and council.
[19:47] Uh my name is Marcy Galley. I live at
[19:49] 500 Squawk Creek Road.
[19:52] Let's see. We only have 3 minutes. So,
[19:54] the first thing I'd like to ask very
[19:55] quickly is I noticed that there was a
[19:57] speaker uh signing up to give comments
[20:00] and he was turned away because he didn't
[20:02] um submit within
[20:05] 5 minutes before the meeting started.
[20:08] Can we please amend that to just if
[20:10] somebody gets in public comments uh a
[20:12] request to give public comments before
[20:14] the meeting starts at 6, we just allow
[20:17] them to speak?
[20:19] I don't know where that stipulation
[20:21] comes from. Okay. So, my first issue is
[20:26] I wanted to ask when the certificate of
[20:30] convenience and necessity amendments
[20:34] were when was that effort approved?
[20:38] I know that Jacob and Martin put in the
[20:41] application at the beginning of
[20:43] February.
[20:46] Can someone answer when that was
[20:47] approved? No, not during public comment.
[20:50] >> If you have an answer, you should
[20:51] » If you have an answer, you should
[20:51] answer,
[20:52] >> but not during public comment. We can't
[20:53] » but not during public comment. We can't
[20:53] bend the rules for one person.
[20:55] >> You can do it under TOMA in public
[20:57] » You can do it under TOMA in public
[20:57] comment. We always have.
[20:59] >> So,
[21:01] » So,
[21:01] and we're back to, you know, people
[21:03] running the meeting that aren't running
[21:04] the that aren't supposed to be running
[21:05] the meeting. So, anyway, okay. How much
[21:08] was the effort,
[21:10] right? How much are we paying Jacob and
[21:12] Martin to amend RCN's for water and
[21:16] sewer?
[21:17] And I'd like to know when every public
[21:20] official of Willow Park was aware that
[21:24] we were putting in those amendments
[21:28] through the PUC.
[21:30] And why is Gretchen Vasquez not the one
[21:34] overseeing that effort? She's our
[21:37] in-house engineer.
[21:41] Number two, I wanted to know the
[21:43] Bandidas Willow Park item number on item
[21:47] 12. We're doing economic development
[21:49] negotiations with Bandidas Willow Park.
[21:52] So, is there an application online for
[21:57] economic development requests for all
[21:59] businesses that come to the city or do
[22:03] we pick winners and losers? Because
[22:05] that's kind of the way it feels to me.
[22:08] I know personally that some businesses
[22:11] have been required to retrofit as they
[22:14] move here from other cities. And do we
[22:17] do we require that for all businesses? I
[22:20] mean, who do we give those incentives
[22:21] to?
[22:24] And uh I would like to just say Bankhead
[22:27] Highway should never be completely
[22:30] closed to through traffic. I would like
[22:32] to see one lane open. And I don't know
[22:34] why we're doing it that way because I
[22:36] don't believe it was bid that way. And
[22:38] if it was bid that way, that was an
[22:40] error.
[22:41] Thank you. Thank you.
[22:47] [applause]
[22:48] Okay. Next, we have Chris Wood wants to
[22:51] speak.
[22:56] I'm Chris Wood. I live at 184 Crown
[22:58] Point Boulevard. Please evaluate
[23:01] employee compensation based on the
[23:04] actual duties that each position
[23:06] performs. Consider also a regular cost
[23:10] of living adjustment so city pay keeps
[23:13] pace with inflation.
[23:15] I support adequate pay for Willow Park
[23:18] city employees. Willow Park employee pay
[23:22] may generally appear average, but that
[23:24] average does not tell the whole story.
[23:27] Pay varies by role and the police
[23:29] department has recently faced retention
[23:32] challenges.
[23:34] Comparing Willow Park city employee
[23:36] compensation is difficult because the
[23:38] city operates with a lean staff. Many
[23:41] employees wear multiple hats to keep
[23:44] services running. This makes standard
[23:46] role for roll comparisons with other
[23:49] cities incomplete and somewhat
[23:51] misleading.
[23:53] Employees often juggle duties across
[23:55] departments. For example, public works
[23:58] staff may also handle code enforcement.
[24:01] Salary surveys rarely match these exact
[24:04] blended jobs, leaving no clear baseline
[24:07] for compensation.
[24:09] A base salary may look high or low until
[24:12] you factor in the weighted average of
[24:15] the various skill sets and market rates
[24:18] for all the indivivividual functions the
[24:20] employee performs.
[24:22] I believe in safety first. Thank you for
[24:25] approving a 2.5% pay increase for police
[24:28] officers in May to improve staff
[24:31] retention. Retention is critical for
[24:33] police departments because it helps
[24:35] prevent burnout, preserves knowledge,
[24:38] and reduces costly overtime. Experienced
[24:42] officers can also mentor recruits,
[24:44] creating a safer and stable work
[24:46] environment. This benefits all of Willow
[24:49] Park. Adequate employee salaries helps a
[24:53] municipality attract and retain skilled
[24:55] professionals, maintain highquality
[24:58] services, and reduce the financial
[25:00] burden of constant turnover.
[25:03] Competitive, fair pay also boosts morale
[25:06] and helps keep experienced employees
[25:09] serving the public instead of leaving
[25:11] for other opportunities.
[25:13] Please evaluate whether city employee
[25:15] pay aligns with actual workload by
[25:18] identifying the tasks each employee
[25:21] performs. Compare these responsibilities
[25:24] with the relevant market rates and
[25:27] adjust compensation where duties have
[25:29] grown beyond the job title. Please also
[25:32] consider implementing regular cost of
[25:34] living adjustments for city employees. I
[25:38] am on disability and the yearly cola
[25:40] gives me peace of mind because it
[25:42] protects my purchasing power and helps
[25:44] maintain my standard of living. City
[25:47] employees deserve similar protection.
[25:49] Thank you.
[25:50] >> Thank you.
[25:53] » And next we have Jean Martin.
[26:02] » Madam Mayor, other members of the
[26:04] Bullpart City Council, I'm Gene Martin.
[26:06] I continue to reside at 700 Kingsgate
[26:08] Road. Many meetings ago, the new solid
[26:11] waste contract was a hot topic due to
[26:13] the sudden 25%
[26:15] increase to residents. Statements were
[26:17] made that there would be discussions
[26:19] with the other five affected cities from
[26:21] that contract. [clears throat]
[26:23] Uh there have been no updates since. Uh
[26:26] however, after researching the expense
[26:28] other communities face, I'm not overly
[26:30] concerned about the current rate. We're
[26:32] actually getting a pretty good deal. I
[26:33] think
[26:35] waste management changed their process
[26:37] though. The historic single trash truck
[26:40] that used to go around pick up trash, it
[26:43] still runs around, picks up well what it
[26:45] does is goes about 30 35 mph down the
[26:48] road looking to see if anybody has left
[26:51] any like yard debris next to the
[26:53] 96gallon
[26:55] containers. And then the other truck
[26:58] comes around, goes up one side of the
[27:00] street, bumps the down the other side.
[27:03] So effectively waste management has
[27:05] tripled the trash truck load on our
[27:08] meter streets.
[27:11] Um we all remain curious on the intent
[27:14] of the twice repeated agenda item to
[27:16] impose subdivision regulations in our
[27:18] ETJ.
[27:20] Uh it's an extremely complex subject.
[27:23] Uh, local government code chapters 212
[27:27] and 242
[27:29] allow limited control over platin
[27:31] infrastructure standards.
[27:34] Do not appear to be any provisions to
[27:36] mandate building codes or create zoning
[27:38] definitions.
[27:40] Steps to limit data center development
[27:43] seem to be universally agreeable to
[27:46] everyone not specifically wanting to own
[27:50] a data center.
[27:52] However, putting those buzzwords in an
[27:54] agenda item is counterproductive to
[27:57] establishing general standards
[28:00] that might achieve the desired result
[28:03] without being considered discriminatory.
[28:06] You can't just do something for data
[28:08] centers. Okay.
[28:11] Last month discussion identified naming
[28:13] apart for previously for previous mayor
[28:16] promly young. I as someone who solicited
[28:20] Lee to run for city council years before
[28:23] she did. I wholeheartedly uh support
[28:25] that. Um I'm going to have to shorten
[28:29] this. [snorts] Um it's encouraging that
[28:31] the parks department semiannual report
[28:34] indicates vegetation improvements at the
[28:36] memorial park. question is, is there a
[28:39] water source for the vegetation there? I
[28:41] recall, and I think Leah Young told me
[28:43] this, that the water for that park was
[28:46] primarily from the aerobic system that
[28:48] used to service the previous city hall.
[28:52] Of course, that's not operating anymore.
[28:55] And by the way, on the last thing, the
[28:57] 2.5% raise for the police department is
[29:01] about $50,000 total. and the total raise
[29:04] for
[29:06] city service fees will be $720,000
[29:11] per your budget.
[29:12] >> Thank you,
[29:14] » Thank you,
[29:14] Bill Green. [applause]
[29:20] » Thank you, Madame Mayor, City Council.
[29:22] Bill Green, still like him living on his
[29:25] street. I'm still on Vista Drive and we
[29:28] sure are getting a lot of rock trucks
[29:29] coming down there, but we'll talk about
[29:31] that sometime. we can get together. But
[29:33] anyhow, uh I didn't have anything in
[29:35] particular I was going to say till I
[29:37] walked in here, but then I got to
[29:38] thinking about things. And we're going
[29:41] to call this past, present, and future.
[29:43] The guys on this side of the room are
[29:45] the past. They grew up under a different
[29:48] group of people, a different way of
[29:50] thinking, a different way of doing
[29:52] business. A lot of times that business
[29:55] was never made to where the people that
[29:58] live here could tell what was going on.
[30:00] Okay, let's move along a little bit. The
[30:03] new guys over here, they're just now
[30:05] getting into this and we don't want them
[30:09] to have the same way of thinking as
[30:11] these over here. And we've talked about
[30:13] that. Not that you guys are bad guys. I
[30:16] just think you make bad decisions. I
[30:18] think you make decisions that are not
[30:21] helpful to the citizens of Willow Park.
[30:24] Roads. You still haven't done anything
[30:26] on roads. The roads were part of the
[30:29] campaign for the guys over here. Nothing
[30:31] has happened. Squawk Creek, nothing has
[30:34] happened down there. That was part of
[30:36] what everybody set their votes for on
[30:39] it. A lot of people placed their faith
[30:42] in you guys whenever you got elected,
[30:45] hoping that it would wash over to you
[30:47] guys here. Okay, that's past and that's
[30:49] a little bit of present. A little bit of
[30:51] present. We got things going with uh be
[30:56] uh excavation up there.
[31:01] Who's paying for it? Are any of our
[31:03] taxes going to that? Who's servicing the
[31:06] water that's going to come to it? Are
[31:07] any of our taxes doing that? Are we
[31:09] going to run out of water on that?
[31:11] What's going on? I mean, everything is
[31:14] hush, hush, hush.
[31:16] Now to the future. We're not the only
[31:20] city that are having these problems.
[31:22] Just about every small city or medium
[31:24] city in the state of Texas is having
[31:27] issues with their city councils, with
[31:29] their mayors, with everybody else that's
[31:32] there to make their life better. And
[31:36] some of them have found a way out of it.
[31:38] [clears throat]
[31:39] Trinidad, Texas, San Angelo, Texas,
[31:42] Abalene, Texas,
[31:44] Houston, Texas
[31:47] are all under investigation by the Texas
[31:49] Rangers
[31:51] because of the things that has come to
[31:53] their attention,
[31:55] but the government of Texas has put them
[31:57] in a position to go rectify it. They've
[32:00] arrested people.
[32:02] People have left town so they don't get
[32:04] arrested.
[32:06] There's more out there. I don't even
[32:08] know who all is out there. I just pick
[32:10] up on on what on what I see and what I
[32:12] hear. What I don't want to see is Roy is
[32:16] the Lone Ranger come riding in here in
[32:18] Ohio Silver and take you guys away. What
[32:22] I want to see is you guys getting back
[32:24] to taking care of the people that live
[32:26] here.
[32:27] >> Thank you. Thank you. [applause]
[32:34] » Okay, now we're going to go to item
[32:36] three. We're going to talk about the
[32:37] wildlife. And Jean, do you want to talk
[32:40] about that before we get our
[32:41] presentation?
[32:42] >> Yes.
[32:43] » Yes.
[32:43] >> Okay.
[32:44] » Okay.
[32:44] >> I'm Jean Martin. I'm still at 700 King's
[32:46] » I'm Jean Martin. I'm still at 700 King's
[32:46] Gate. Uh and I talked to a couple people
[32:49] that are here because they want to find
[32:51] out what's going on about deer. Okay. Um
[32:55] Sunday morning I went out just in
[32:57] Willowwood up King's Gate, down
[32:59] Queensway, and up Knight's Bridge. Just
[33:01] those three little street about 100
[33:03] acres. And I only counted 27 adult deer.
[33:08] 28 those seven bucks.
[33:12] And the bugs, boy, they're getting nice
[33:16] finery. Still a little fuzzy, but
[33:18] they're growing stuff. They're getting
[33:19] fed well. Okay. Um Oh, they were
[33:23] accompanied by 14 pawns.
[33:27] Okay.
[33:29] So, just in my neighborhood, we're
[33:31] looking at about a 50% increase in the
[33:34] size of the herd.
[33:37] Everyone I know cannot help but smile at
[33:39] the playful annex if you see three or
[33:41] four fawns jumping around in the yard.
[33:44] They're just beautiful. They're fun.
[33:48] Um, but those smiles turn to grimaces if
[33:51] anyone darts across the road in front of
[33:53] a vehicle, which they do. probably about
[33:56] the only way we have attrition in that
[33:58] herd.
[34:00] Um, so most everyone tolerates the herd
[34:04] of living lawn or that we have
[34:08] make a mistake, this herd is not
[34:11] wildlife.
[34:13] We're here to talk about game and
[34:15] wildlife, but they're domesticated.
[34:19] They're domesticated by people feeding
[34:21] them and everyone else accepting their
[34:24] presence.
[34:25] When I walk out of my house, often
[34:27] there'll be a dough.
[34:29] Does the dough run away? Nope. The dough
[34:31] take a couple steps for me to see if I
[34:33] have anything to eat.
[34:35] My neighbor stopped feeding them after
[34:37] she found that they they ate all her
[34:39] flowers and shrubs in addition to the
[34:42] food. These lawn ornaments are
[34:44] destructive. They are not malicious or
[34:47] dangerous, but they are a problem.
[34:51] Looks like I said the will the will of
[34:53] wood local herd will increase by about
[34:56] 50%. There's no natural predators in
[34:58] wildwood. At least not yet. That's a
[35:02] question I'm going to have I hope our
[35:04] representative answers. What's the
[35:06] likelihood of herd this size attracting
[35:10] predators into our neighborhood?
[35:13] Does anyone remember the founder of Wild
[35:17] Hogs that decided to make Squall Creek
[35:19] and the Clear Fork run their home base?
[35:21] This is like 2014, 2010.
[35:26] Um that was before Meet Place developed
[35:29] for Wilks. We [clears throat] found a
[35:31] trapper to gather them and relocate them
[35:34] and he did it for free. Actually, he
[35:36] relocated them to a honey preserve that
[35:39] paid him to bring them.
[35:41] Please consider if there's an available
[35:43] option to re relocate many if not all of
[35:47] our non wild
[35:48] >> Thank you. All right. Thank you. Okay.
[35:50] » Thank you. All right. Thank you. Okay.
[35:50] Now we're going to have the parks and
[35:52] wildlife representative to discuss deer
[35:55] issues. Kaylee is going to come and do
[35:58] our presentation for us. Hi Kaylee.
[36:00] >> Hi. How are you?
[36:01] » Hi. How are you?
[36:01] >> Good. Okay. Um so my name is Kaylee
[36:04] » Good. Okay. Um so my name is Kaylee
[36:04] Baduna Aught. I'm the wildlife biologist
[36:06] for Texas Parks and Wildlife. I cover
[36:09] Tarant Parker, Hood, Johnson, and
[36:11] Somerville counties. My primary
[36:13] responsibility is working with private
[36:15] land owners on game species, but we do a
[36:17] little bit of everything wherever we're
[36:18] needed. Um, I'm here today because I
[36:21] received a call about concern for urban
[36:23] deer. And luckily, this is something
[36:26] that we see quite a bit. So, there's
[36:28] some few publications that came out and
[36:30] I provided those. I'll talk a little bit
[36:32] about them today, but it's a problem
[36:35] that can be solved if you're willing to
[36:38] take the steps to do so. Um, so the
[36:40] first thing when talking to urban
[36:42] municipalities, HOAs, private land
[36:44] owners, anyone that thinks they have a
[36:46] deer problem, the number one step is to
[36:48] determine where we are. What do you
[36:50] decide the problem is and is it actually
[36:52] a problem? Um, so the number one thing
[36:55] you can do that is a deer survey. Figure
[36:57] out what your population is within the
[36:59] cities. Another thing that you can keep
[37:01] track of is the number of deer vehicle
[37:03] collisions. I know that three different
[37:05] fawns have been hit on the same access
[37:07] road of 20 this week. Um the amount of
[37:09] property damage that comes from it and
[37:11] then um doing urb or doing neighborhood
[37:15] surveys with the people to figure out
[37:16] their tolerance toward deer which we
[37:18] heard a little bit of. Um the next step
[37:20] is to be identify where we want to be.
[37:22] So just defining what success looks like
[37:25] whether that is maintaining the herd you
[37:27] have if your population you feel like
[37:29] it's a good number or if that's kind of
[37:31] thinning it out maintaining and getting
[37:33] it to a point where you can maintain and
[37:35] then the third thing is kind of bridging
[37:37] the gap. So where you are and where you
[37:39] want to be and kind of the strategy
[37:41] strategy to do that. That's kind of
[37:42] where I come in. We provide technical
[37:44] guidance. Um I'm giving you my
[37:46] professional opinion on it. It's all
[37:48] based on science based on research
[37:50] that's been done across the state. Um,
[37:52] for urban approaches specifically,
[37:56] there are kind of three approaches.
[37:57] We're kind of past the first one, but
[37:59] I'm going to talk about it anyways. Um,
[38:00] so there's planning for wildlife that's
[38:02] in developmental stages of cities and
[38:04] maintaining green spaces, stuff like
[38:06] that to kind of promote wildlife to stay
[38:08] in their wild areas rather than
[38:10] encroaching in those urban areas. Um, so
[38:12] it's just suitable use of natural
[38:14] resources and kind of reconnecting your
[38:16] society with the natural world. Again,
[38:17] that's more in the planning phase. We
[38:19] might be a little past that. Uh, number
[38:21] two is getting to the root cause. That's
[38:24] probably where we are right now. Um, so
[38:26] it's an environment that does not
[38:28] encourage overabundant deer. That's the
[38:31] goal. You want to have a healthy
[38:32] population that's maintainable. We call
[38:34] it carrying capacity. So whatever the
[38:36] land can provide for, that's the numbers
[38:38] you want. Um, ideal habitat in the Cross
[38:41] Timbers and Prairies eco region, which
[38:43] is where we're situated, is a deer per
[38:45] 25 acres. And that is completely ideal
[38:47] conditions. I mean like pristine
[38:49] prairie, rangeand, all the jazz. We
[38:52] aren't really that. Um so that would be
[38:57] that would be nice. It's just not
[38:58] possible. But um another thing that we
[39:00] talk about when it comes to
[39:01] overabundance is preventing feeding
[39:04] altogether, both intentionally and
[39:06] unintentionally. Uh we don't really want
[39:08] to feed any wildlife. And I can go into
[39:09] that a little more if you would like.
[39:12] Um, and it's important to allow your
[39:15] predators, your natural predators, your
[39:16] coyotes and bobcats to not be habituated
[39:19] to people. And that kind of goes back to
[39:21] the unintentional feeding. If people
[39:22] feed feral cats, raccoons, stuff like
[39:24] that, you're attracting coyotes. They
[39:26] get kind of used to people. They start
[39:28] showing up at parks. We don't want that.
[39:29] We want them to act the way that they're
[39:31] supposed to. Same thing with the deer.
[39:33] The third approach is the do nothing
[39:35] approach. Uh so this you need to prepare
[39:38] for increased loss of vegetation um and
[39:41] money that goes into landscaping. You're
[39:44] going to have increased deer vehicle
[39:45] accidents. You have potential for your
[39:47] deer to actually starve out or be
[39:49] congregated enough that diseases and
[39:52] parasites start to pass around and then
[39:54] you're going to have a decline of
[39:55] habitat for your other wildlife species
[39:57] like your small mammals, your song
[39:59] birds, stuff like that. And I have other
[40:01] things that I hope are going to be asked
[40:03] questions, but I have a little bit more
[40:04] to talk about feeding if you would like.
[40:07] >> So I have a a question. Do y'all have um
[40:12] » So I have a a question. Do y'all have um
[40:12] are y'all doing any trapping and
[40:14] relocating?
[40:16] >> So before I started as a biologist, we
[40:19] » So before I started as a biologist, we
[40:19] had a program. It was called traps trap
[40:21] transport and transllocate. It was then
[40:24] seized due to CWD being detected in the
[40:27] state of Texas. So, we no longer allowed
[40:29] transport of living deer at all across
[40:31] the whole state of Texas.
[40:32] >> What did you say? Explain that.
[40:34] » What did you say? Explain that.
[40:34] >> Chronic wasting disease. I do have that
[40:35] » Chronic wasting disease. I do have that
[40:35] to talk about. Sorry.
[40:37] >> I have no idea what you just said. Okay.
[40:39] » I have no idea what you just said. Okay.
[40:39] [laughter]
[40:39] >> Chronic wasting disease. Um, it was
[40:41] » Chronic wasting disease. Um, it was
[40:41] introduced in Texas and we don't want it
[40:44] to go into our native herd. So, it it
[40:46] kind of cut down on movement of wild
[40:48] deer altogether. There is a program that
[40:51] is TTP, which is trap, transllocate, and
[40:54] process. Um, I have a couple cities that
[40:56] do partake in this. Pretty much it's you
[40:58] pick a location that you're going to
[41:00] trap at. You can set a drop net, trap
[41:02] deer. Those get transported to a
[41:04] processing facility. They are processed
[41:07] and then the meat is donated. So, that
[41:09] is a program that we offer.
[41:11] >> Okay.
[41:13] » Okay.
[41:13] Wow. And that's your only choice? You
[41:15] don't relocate them somewhere else and
[41:16] let them run away?
[41:17] >> No, ma'am. Not anymore to diseases,
[41:19] » No, ma'am. Not anymore to diseases,
[41:19] especially urban deer. Um, so I have a
[41:21] couple diseases that I've actually dealt
[41:23] with um, in these counties, if you don't
[41:25] mind me talking about them really quick.
[41:27] Um, one of the number one things that I
[41:29] see in deer that are fed by people is
[41:31] laminitis, also called floundering.
[41:33] Floundering. It happens in
[41:34] [clears throat] sheep, goats, anything
[41:36] with hooves. Um, so pretty much what it
[41:38] is is it's caused by an imbalance of of
[41:39] a high carbohydrate diet. If you don't
[41:42] know what deer eat, they eat mostly
[41:44] forbes and brows. They don't eat grass.
[41:46] Um, and so whenever you feed them a
[41:48] whole bunch of corn and it's just carbs,
[41:50] they kind of lack that fiber, which then
[41:52] causes um a drop in pH in their
[41:55] digestive tract, which is called
[41:56] acidosis. Um, and then this causes
[41:59] reduced [clears throat] blood flow to
[42:00] all your extremities, and they get these
[42:02] really, really long hooves. So, it makes
[42:03] them painful for them to walk. They'll
[42:05] stop eating. You can hear them clicky
[42:07] clacking around on the road. Um, and it
[42:09] usually just causes a decline of health.
[42:10] So, I have seen that. And then in the
[42:12] springtime, I've dealt with a couple
[42:14] deer that die from pneumonia. Um, it's a
[42:16] bacterial disease. It's not susceptible
[42:17] to people or anything like that, but
[42:19] deer pass it around really quickly in in
[42:22] urban areas because they're so close
[42:23] together. And usually they're they're
[42:25] congregating at something that can pass
[42:27] it along. So, a bucket of corn, a bird
[42:30] feeder, stuff like that. So, it's on a
[42:32] surface and then they're just pretty
[42:33] much passing it deer to deer and then
[42:34] they will die from that. And then I can
[42:37] talk about chronic wasting disease if
[42:38] you would like, but we don't have it in
[42:40] our counties.
[42:41] >> So, do y'all um drive around like Will
[42:44] » So, do y'all um drive around like Will
[42:44] Park? would you drive around and see how
[42:46] many there are or what's your process?
[42:48] Right.
[42:49] >> So, for deer surveys, we can um provide
[42:51] » So, for deer surveys, we can um provide
[42:51] guidance on how for you guys would be
[42:53] easiest for you to do it. Um we have a
[42:56] couple cities that run their own kind of
[42:57] like a spotlight route, but it's a
[42:59] little bit of modified. They do it
[43:01] during the day. So, they start at a
[43:02] central location and they have people go
[43:04] out and do a minimum count of beer. So,
[43:06] it kind of gives you your minimum
[43:07] population. It's not. You'll have to add
[43:09] in a couple numbers to adjust for your
[43:11] fawn crop and stuff like that, but that
[43:13] would give you a baseline of the minimum
[43:15] number of deer you're seeing. That's
[43:16] under the assumption that where
[43:17] everyone's walking, you're not double
[43:19] counting deer, right? If you have people
[43:20] over here and over here, this deer's not
[43:21] running and they're counting it twice.
[43:23] Um, you also, there's a new thing that's
[43:25] coming about with drone surveys. Um,
[43:27] they're kind of new on the private side,
[43:29] but I haven't seen any cities do it yet,
[43:32] but it might be a good option. um you do
[43:34] a drone survey and it runs certain um
[43:37] like lines pretty much throughout the
[43:39] city and it's covering the whole thing
[43:40] and it's counting deer as it's going. So
[43:43] then you're getting an actual population
[43:44] estimate. Um we have people that do that
[43:47] and then you can provide me numbers and
[43:48] I can provide you with recommendations
[43:50] on hey your herd's too high your herd's
[43:53] you know you have too many bucks too
[43:54] many does stuff like that.
[43:56] >> So we get like volunteers with the city
[43:58] » So we get like volunteers with the city
[43:58] who are going to check the herds.
[44:00] >> Yes ma'am. Um, the one that I work with
[44:02] » Yes ma'am. Um, the one that I work with
[44:02] most closely, they have a group, I think
[44:04] it's a little smaller than Willow Park,
[44:06] but they have a group of about 20 people
[44:08] and they pick a main road, which
[44:10] probably for here's Ranch House. Um, so
[44:12] they pick a main road and then they have
[44:14] everyone has a sector and so they go out
[44:16] at the same time. They either do it uh
[44:18] pretty close to sunrise or 30 minutes
[44:20] after sunset. That's when deer are most
[44:22] active. Um, and they go out and they
[44:24] count and they pretty much get a minimum
[44:25] count of the population.
[44:27] >> Okay. Scott, you had something to add.
[44:29] » Okay. Scott, you had something to add.
[44:29] Can you come to the podium?
[44:31] >> Can I have to ask my left for real
[44:33] » Can I have to ask my left for real
[44:33] person? No, I'm asking for real. Can I
[44:36] come to the podium?
[44:36] >> Oh, I can I can answer. It's up to you.
[44:38] » Oh, I can I can answer. It's up to you.
[44:38] I don't know what you guys
[44:40] >> Yeah, I think you can come up come up to
[44:41] » Yeah, I think you can come up come up to
[44:42] the podium and if you have a question,
[44:43] I'm sure she can help answer that for
[44:45] us.
[44:46] >> Um, I'm a little bit of game in this cuz
[44:48] » Um, I'm a little bit of game in this cuz
[44:48] when I walked out to come to this
[44:49] meeting, I had like a dozen deer
[44:50] sleeping in my front yard. They sleep
[44:52] there every night. Um, I live near the
[44:54] spillway. Um, there's collateral to
[44:57] this. And while I think this is a thing
[45:00] that could be looked at, I think that
[45:02] the issue of coyotes is about tfold more
[45:05] important because there's not 10 coyotes
[45:07] here. There's about 50. And I hear them
[45:09] kill deer every single night in the
[45:10] spillway. So, if you remove the deer,
[45:13] you're going to have coyotes killing
[45:14] your cats, your dogs, and they walk
[45:17] through my neighbor's backyard during
[45:18] the day. Coyotes are nocturnal. So, I
[45:22] watched them walk down Creek at
[45:23] high noon. [clears throat]
[45:25] They're unaffected by this. So, before
[45:27] you start taking their food source away,
[45:29] you better address the coyote because
[45:31] one of my friends owns a thousand
[45:33] something acres north of here and he
[45:34] pays them to call them and he kills
[45:36] numerous coyotes every year. And I asked
[45:38] him if it's made a difference. He goes,
[45:40] "No, he can't keep his cattle there. He
[45:42] has to keep them in Gordon. They've
[45:43] killed every cat he's dropped in the
[45:45] last seven years." So, this is all
[45:48] great, but before you do this, I can't I
[45:50] called and said, "How do we can we call
[45:53] them if they're on our property?" I have
[45:54] a kid with special needs. She now
[45:56] understands the difference between
[45:57] coyotes and dogs, but when we moved
[45:58] here, we didn't. That was going to be a
[46:00] problem for the coyote.
[46:02] >> Okay.
[46:02] » Okay.
[46:02] >> So, I just need you guys to understand
[46:04] » So, I just need you guys to understand
[46:04] there's not 10 coyotes here. There's
[46:06] probably 30 or 40 living in that
[46:07] spillway.
[46:08] >> Okay. Thank you, sir.
[46:09] » Okay. Thank you, sir.
[46:10] >> Thank you.
[46:10] » Thank you.
[46:10] >> Thank you.
[46:11] » Thank you.
[46:11] >> Do you want me to touch on that? I think
[46:13] » Do you want me to touch on that? I think
[46:13] >> Yeah. How do we deal with that? Yeah,
[46:14] » Yeah. How do we deal with that? Yeah,
[46:14] >> kind I'm going to touch on it with deer
[46:16] » kind I'm going to touch on it with deer
[46:16] first because it kind of correlates the
[46:18] same way. Um, so the reason that urban
[46:20] deer don't move when they're being fed
[46:22] is because they don't have to. It's like
[46:23] a kid with a candy store. Um, if they
[46:25] have unlimited access to candy corn,
[46:27] they never once are going to touch their
[46:28] broccoli, if that makes sense. So,
[46:31] you're you're giving them a food source
[46:32] without them having to move to look for
[46:34] it like they normally do. Coyotes are
[46:36] the same way. So, you have a a large
[46:39] deer population and therefore you have a
[46:41] large coyote population. Um, if you can
[46:44] thin your deer, if you if you make your
[46:46] deer disperse, the coyotes should
[46:48] follow. That's not saying they will, but
[46:50] they should. Um, and again, I kind of
[46:52] touched on it a little bit. They get
[46:53] indirectly fed a lot in city situations
[46:55] when people are feeding raccoons or
[46:57] feral cats or stuff like that. They tend
[46:59] to also utilize the same food sources.
[47:03] >> Okay. Anybody have any questions for
[47:05] » Okay. Anybody have any questions for
[47:05] her?
[47:06] >> Yeah, you real quick. You had a
[47:07] » Yeah, you real quick. You had a
[47:07] statement about unintentionally feeding
[47:09] and I'm do we just not go with lovely
[47:13] plants in our front yard for this time
[47:15] period or what are some recommendations
[47:17] you could have for um keeping that
[47:19] unintentional feeding down as well
[47:21] please?
[47:21] >> So when we talk about unintentional
[47:23] » So when we talk about unintentional
[47:23] feeding it's usually like someone that
[47:25] puts out a a three pounds of cat food
[47:28] for the 87 feral cats they like to feed
[47:30] in their front yard. That's more what we
[47:32] refer to. And when in terms of an
[47:34] unintentional feeding, um, you're trying
[47:36] to feed other things. When it comes to
[47:38] ornamental plants, um, there's a lot of
[47:40] publications out there for Texas
[47:42] specifically about like deer resistant
[47:44] plants. Your deer are desperate enough,
[47:46] they're going to eat those plants cuz
[47:47] they already know that you landscape,
[47:49] they're going to eat those cuz it's easy
[47:50] picking. Same way, they have a food
[47:52] source. They're not going to move for
[47:53] it. Why not? Um, we can provide you
[47:56] those. Again, it's hard when you already
[47:58] have the problem to then landscape with
[48:00] deer resistant plants cuz they are
[48:02] probably going to eat them. But
[48:03] unintentional feeding is more like feral
[48:06] cats, raccoons, uh leaving out pounds
[48:08] and pounds of corn, you know, just
[48:11] trying to have unnatural attractants
[48:13] pretty much.
[48:15] >> So, I was told that Hudson Oaks uh has
[48:18] » So, I was told that Hudson Oaks uh has
[48:18] had an ordinance for years managing
[48:21] their deer population. So, that might be
[48:23] something we need to think about.
[48:27] there. I haven't worked with Hudson Oaks
[48:28] yet. I took over this position um about
[48:31] a year and a half ago. Uh since then,
[48:33] I've been to six city council meetings
[48:35] and four HOA meetings. Um and you know,
[48:39] we we pretty much go and we talk and we
[48:41] provide the knowledge that we have from
[48:43] ones that we've worked with in the past.
[48:45] Um we've had two that were really
[48:47] successful that they they implemented a
[48:49] feeding ban, they enforced it. um they
[48:52] did do TTP and it helped them quite a
[48:55] bit, but it worked for their
[48:56] circumstances. Um and they've they've
[48:58] had good success. That's there's not
[49:00] without caveats. Everything kind of has
[49:02] that. When you have, you know, people
[49:04] that want to look at deer in their front
[49:05] yard, you're just going to have them a
[49:07] little less. They're not going to leave.
[49:08] You're probably never going to get rid
[49:09] of them, especially when we're still
[49:11] surrounded by enough connected uh
[49:13] habitat. But um you know, it's just
[49:17] you try your best. You try your best and
[49:19] what works for one city hopefully can
[49:21] work for another, but there's really not
[49:22] onesizefits-all for this.
[49:25] >> Okay, Katie, thank you very much.
[49:27] » Okay, Katie, thank you very much.
[49:27] >> Thank you.
[49:27] » Thank you.
[49:27] >> I have I have a question.
[49:29] » I have I have a question.
[49:29] >> Okay.
[49:29] » Okay.
[49:29] >> We uh live on Mr. Drive and any day we
[49:33] » We uh live on Mr. Drive and any day we
[49:33] have 60 plus
[49:35] >> here and they're just right on the other
[49:37] » here and they're just right on the other
[49:37] side of my driveway. We've got a lot of
[49:39] open land out there. They sleep up there
[49:41] during the day, during the night. They
[49:43] roam all around through there. We've
[49:45] taken videos of them to show our
[49:47] friends. I know if I want to know what
[49:49] they are.
[49:50] >> And and and well, some of them even try
[49:52] » And and and well, some of them even try
[49:52] to come up and get in the garage. We
[49:53] have the garage.
[49:56] Um
[49:57] several of my friends at church want to
[49:59] lease my driveway,
[50:01] but you know, she won't let them.
[50:04] But [laughter]
[50:07] how do we get that many of them to go
[50:09] away? I mean they were there a barard
[50:13] and then there's another herd of about
[50:15] 25 right across the street and there's
[50:18] probably a dozen or more.
[50:23] >> Can I talk facing this way or do I need
[50:24] » Can I talk facing this way or do I need
[50:24] to talk facing you? Does it matter?
[50:26] >> As long
[50:26] » As long
[50:26] >> into the speaker. Yeah.
[50:27] » into the speaker. Yeah.
[50:27] >> Let me yell into this microphone really
[50:29] » Let me yell into this microphone really
[50:29] quick. Right.
[50:29] >> Um so I actually live in town funny
[50:31] » Um so I actually live in town funny
[50:31] enough. I live here. I'm a I'm a
[50:33] resident of Willow Park. Um, so the
[50:36] places that we've seen that implement a
[50:38] feeding ban, if they have two, let's
[50:41] just say if they have two or three
[50:42] people that aren't willing to follow
[50:44] through with it, the pro the problem
[50:46] will not solve itself.
[50:48] >> Um, so we're kind of [clears throat] at
[50:49] » Um, so we're kind of [clears throat] at
[50:50] the point where we're past, okay, it's a
[50:52] problem. You know, there's enough here.
[50:53] You're having them in your yard. Um, it
[50:56] takes time. It takes time. So if you
[50:58] stop feeding, there's also you can haze
[51:00] them again when you get to this point.
[51:02] Sometimes it'll work, sometimes it'll
[51:04] not. you can blow an air horn in your
[51:05] front yard, they might statter. They
[51:07] might have been here so long that
[51:08] they're just used to it and it won't
[51:10] bother them. Um, so it's pretty much
[51:12] trying to find what works. We always
[51:14] usually start with a feeding band. We
[51:15] suggest it. It's it's one of the easiest
[51:17] things that you can do because they're
[51:19] going to be hungry. They're going to be
[51:21] hungry and um I have the numbers. I They
[51:24] deer eat about 2,000 lbs of food every
[51:26] year. We don't have that to support
[51:28] them. um they're being supported by
[51:31] landscaping, by corn stuff drawing them
[51:33] into the area. For them to get that,
[51:36] they're going to have to go. Um and
[51:38] again, it takes it might you might not
[51:40] see it for a couple years, but they will
[51:42] go.
[51:43] >> Okay. Thank you, Kaylee. Yes,
[51:45] » Okay. Thank you, Kaylee. Yes,
[51:45] absolutely. Thank you.
[51:46] >> Okay. Next, we're going to go um number
[51:48] » Okay. Next, we're going to go um number
[51:48] five.
[51:52] » Hold on. Sorry, I jumped. Whoopsie. You
[51:54] want to go to four first? Let's do that.
[51:56] Okay. So, the discussion on wastewater
[51:59] treatment. Chase, you're going to do
[52:00] that?
[52:01] >> Yes, ma'am.
[52:02] » Yes, ma'am.
[52:02] >> All right.
[52:06] » Good evening, Mayor and Council. Um, I
[52:09] set a schedule on in front of every on
[52:12] y'all's desk uh yesterday. Um, we are at
[52:16] about 94 to 95% completion. Um
[52:21] everything is there's a few touch-up
[52:23] things on chemical feeders and things
[52:25] that are still being installed. Uh the
[52:28] air diffusers and things have been
[52:30] installed. So we are basically at the
[52:32] point now that we have roughly about 2
[52:35] months of testing. So it's startup
[52:39] putting treated some treated water in
[52:41] there, testing blowers and testing
[52:45] mixers and certain things like that. Um,
[52:49] and like I said, we're looking at
[52:50] roughly close to two months or a little
[52:52] bit shy of two months on basically
[52:55] starting up and testing all of the
[52:56] actual equipment and then conjunction
[52:58] with the computer, the SCADA system,
[53:01] manually running everything.
[53:03] So, that's perfect. Fairly short and
[53:06] sweet.
[53:07] >> So, I I got a call today. Can you see
[53:11] » So, I I got a call today. Can you see
[53:11] who that is and have them lower, please?
[53:14] Their voice. I'm sorry it's distracting
[53:16] me.
[53:18] Who is that?
[53:20] >> I believe the biologist.
[53:22] » I believe the biologist.
[53:22] >> Okay. She can dare outside would be
[53:24] » Okay. She can dare outside would be
[53:24] really good. Okay. So, I did get a call
[53:27] from Pastor Clark Boer today from Willow
[53:29] Park Baptist. This is I'm going to guess
[53:31] his third time he's called me on this
[53:34] issue. Um, and he was talking about the
[53:37] wastewater that's on across the street
[53:40] and that he said it it smells, right? So
[53:45] he said it smells and the city was
[53:47] supposed to move it June 2025
[53:52] and so he needs that move so he can sell
[53:55] the property. So like I said it's like
[53:56] the third time he's called me on this.
[53:58] So he wanted me to bring it up cuz I
[54:01] someone must have told him or he saw it
[54:03] was on the agenda and he asked me are
[54:05] y'all talking about that? Yes, Chase is
[54:07] talk to us.
[54:08] >> We are in the process of doing that. We
[54:10] » We are in the process of doing that. We
[54:10] have the engineering drawings for the
[54:12] decon decommission of the old plant and
[54:15] we actually did have the bid opening
[54:17] today. So we're the engineer is still in
[54:20] review vetting bid openings and checking
[54:24] all the numbers on the bids to make sure
[54:25] everything is good on that end. But we
[54:27] are in the process of moving forward
[54:29] with the decommission of the plant.
[54:31] >> So maybe in another month or so I can
[54:34] » So maybe in another month or so I can
[54:34] talk to him about that that it's really
[54:36] going to happen. Uh yeah, I mean
[54:38] obviously like I said we had the bid
[54:40] opening. Once that gets vetted, it has
[54:42] to come to council to approve the bidder
[54:44] for the project itself. And then once
[54:46] that happens, we will have a far better
[54:48] timeline of where we're sitting.
[54:50] >> And we've got to have the new plant up
[54:51] » And we've got to have the new plant up
[54:51] and running first before we get
[54:54] >> Yes, there's there's going to be a
[54:55] » Yes, there's there's going to be a
[54:55] cushion between startup of the new
[54:57] >> decommission of the old, but we are in
[54:59] » decommission of the old, but we are in
[54:59] the process of trying to line everything
[55:02] out to where it's day to day, not week
[55:04] to week and waiting. So, we're preparing
[55:07] for all avenues on that.
[55:08] >> And startup with the new one is is it
[55:11] » And startup with the new one is is it
[55:11] two months out or
[55:12] >> we're looking at uh well the I mean the
[55:15] » we're looking at uh well the I mean the
[55:15] startup is going to be u starting up
[55:18] sometime next month but there is a lot
[55:21] of troubleshooting and testing because
[55:22] this this isn't just a manually ran
[55:25] plant like we're used to now. There's a
[55:27] lot of u electrical components like
[55:30] SCADA. So, it's going to be a lot of
[55:32] troubleshooting, making sure everything
[55:34] is properly functioning before we just
[55:37] abandon the old plant and then we're,
[55:39] you know, in an issue we can't get out
[55:40] of.
[55:41] >> So, how long does it take, cuz you know
[55:43] » So, how long does it take, cuz you know
[55:43] that, I'm sure. How long does it take to
[55:46] take the old one down?
[55:47] >> Uh, that I have not received the
[55:49] » Uh, that I have not received the
[55:49] schedule for the for the decommission
[55:51] yet. And once
[55:52] >> once we pick a contractor for that, then
[55:55] » once we pick a contractor for that, then
[55:55] they'll be able to provide one for us
[55:57] >> and the the contract days will be set.
[55:59] » and the the contract days will be set.
[55:59] I'm not aware of those yet.
[56:01] >> So, this might be on the schedule next
[56:03] » So, this might be on the schedule next
[56:03] month again maybe.
[56:05] >> Possibly.
[56:05] » Possibly.
[56:06] >> Yeah, that was going to be my question.
[56:07] » Yeah, that was going to be my question.
[56:07] Do you think the bids will be available
[56:08] by first meeting in August or
[56:12] >> days out?
[56:12] » days out?
[56:12] >> Possibly. Yes. I can't speak for our
[56:14] » Possibly. Yes. I can't speak for our
[56:14] engineering firm, but they're usually
[56:15] pretty quick on the turnaround for that.
[56:17] >> Okay.
[56:18] » Okay.
[56:18] >> Okay. Any other discussion?
[56:20] » Okay. Any other discussion?
[56:20] >> And we're going to be looking to
[56:21] » And we're going to be looking to
[56:21] potentially move that equipment to our
[56:24] facility we have that will be opening up
[56:26] since we have the
[56:27] >> Yes. there.
[56:28] » Yes. there.
[56:28] >> Yeah. Once the once the construction has
[56:30] » Yeah. Once the once the construction has
[56:30] gotten to a certain point with site work
[56:32] and things, it's going to clear space on
[56:34] the new location to store the old
[56:36] package plant. Yes.
[56:39] >> Okay. Thank you, Chase. Appreciate it.
[56:41] » Okay. Thank you, Chase. Appreciate it.
[56:41] >> Thanks, Chase.
[56:42] » Thanks, Chase.
[56:42] >> Okay, so number five, I think we've seen
[56:45] » Okay, so number five, I think we've seen
[56:45] him before. Jean, you want to talk on
[56:46] number five?
[56:47] >> Well, I told you could pull this. I
[56:50] » Well, I told you could pull this. I
[56:50] already made a comment about it, but I
[56:52] could repeat it if somebody didn't hear
[56:53] me the first time.
[56:54] >> I think we recorded it. We're good.
[56:56] » I think we recorded it. We're good.
[56:56] Thank you very much. Okay, moving on.
[56:58] Okay, item five, discussion and action
[57:00] consider possible subdivision
[57:03] regulations in the ETJ
[57:06] of Willow Park as it relates to data
[57:08] centers. And I think Eric put this on
[57:11] and Eric wanted to talk about this
[57:14] again.
[57:14] >> Yeah, absolutely. Um, still working with
[57:18] » Yeah, absolutely. Um, still working with
[57:18] our legal team to create something that
[57:21] we feel confident in to bring before
[57:23] council. These things take time. We're
[57:25] still working through it. So my um I'd
[57:29] like to table it to the next meeting. I
[57:30] think we should have it ready to go by
[57:33] then.
[57:35] >> Okay. So you've been talking to our
[57:37] » Okay. So you've been talking to our
[57:37] attorneys
[57:39] about this issue. Um
[57:44] so you want to bring it back again?
[57:46] You're tableabling it for now?
[57:48] >> Yes, ma'am. Uh table [clears throat] it
[57:49] » Yes, ma'am. Uh table [clears throat] it
[57:50] to the next meeting.
[57:53] >> Okay. Okay. If we're going to table
[57:54] » Okay. Okay. If we're going to table
[57:54] that, is there a motion to table the
[57:57] item? You want to make a motion to do
[57:59] that?
[57:59] >> I'll make a motion to table number five
[58:01] » I'll make a motion to table number five
[58:01] to the next meeting.
[58:02] >> Do we have a second?
[58:03] » Do we have a second?
[58:03] >> Second.
[58:04] » Second.
[58:04] >> All in favor? There you go. Okay.
[58:09] All right. And we have number six, the
[58:12] Jean. You busy man.
[58:14] >> I back again.
[58:16] » I back again.
[58:16] >> I asked for this one to be removed. I
[58:17] » I asked for this one to be removed. I
[58:17] got the information that I needed.
[58:20] >> Uh I don't want it removed. I have
[58:23] » Uh I don't want it removed. I have
[58:23] information that's here.
[58:24] >> My agenda item
[58:26] » My agenda item
[58:26] asked for it to be removed.
[58:28] >> You ask who?
[58:29] » You ask who?
[58:29] >> Our attorney and staff.
[58:31] » Our attorney and staff.
[58:31] >> Okay.
[58:31] » Okay.
[58:31] >> Don't make the
[58:32] » Don't make the
[58:32] >> I run the meeting so I should know about
[58:35] » I run the meeting so I should know about
[58:35] that. Did I get an email and I missed
[58:37] it?
[58:38] >> I don't know. I asked.
[58:39] » I don't know. I asked.
[58:39] >> Okay.
[58:41] » Okay.
[58:41] >> So, we need
[58:42] » So, we need
[58:42] >> No, he doesn't care. Okay.
[58:43] » No, he doesn't care. Okay.
[58:43] >> We need a motion to table it.
[58:45] » We need a motion to table it.
[58:45] >> I'll make a motion to table agenda item
[58:47] » I'll make a motion to table agenda item
[58:47] number six.
[58:49] >> Second.
[58:49] » Second.
[58:49] >> All in favor? Okay. I'll do it next time
[58:52] » All in favor? Okay. I'll do it next time
[58:52] myself then. Thank you very much.
[58:54] >> I did sign up to speak to an agenda item
[58:57] » I did sign up to speak to an agenda item
[58:57] posted.
[59:00] >> Okay.
[59:05] » I'm running the meeting. Go ahead.
[59:10] » Okay. So, I'm Jean Martin. I'm still at
[59:13] 700 Kingsgate Road. Um, the employment
[59:16] agreement for the Walpart city manager
[59:18] contains a sentence that begins with,
[59:20] and I quote, "Employee shall serve as
[59:23] the chief administrative and executive
[59:25] officer of the city."
[59:27] Quote,
[59:30] in local government code chapter 22, we
[59:32] find section 22.042
[59:35] entitled powers and duties of the mayor.
[59:39] First uh sub bullet a
[59:43] the mayor is the chief executive officer
[59:45] of the municipality.
[59:48] This employment agreement appears to be
[59:50] in direct conflict with state law.
[59:54] Actions by the city council throughout
[59:55] the past 14 months suggest that the
[59:58] designation in this employment agreement
[1:00:01] and the identical text in the prior
[1:00:03] employment agreement going back to at
[1:00:06] least 2022
[1:00:08] confirm it is and has been the intent of
[1:00:11] the city council to run will park
[1:00:14] as a city manager form of government.
[1:00:18] The for this form of government is
[1:00:20] defined
[1:00:21] and authorized by Texas local government
[1:00:24] code chapter 25.
[1:00:27] A possible issue arises by the manner in
[1:00:31] which the city council has implemented
[1:00:33] this policy.
[1:00:36] We find in local government code chapter
[1:00:38] 25 section 25.021 021 adoption of city
[1:00:42] manager form of government.
[1:00:45] The municipality
[1:00:48] by first holding an election on the
[1:00:50] question may adopt the city manager form
[1:00:54] of government.
[1:00:56] This required election is actually no
[1:00:59] different from the requirement to have
[1:01:01] an election to adopt a home rule
[1:01:04] charter.
[1:01:06] Far from entertaining an election on the
[1:01:09] subject, our council adopted the policy
[1:01:11] by approving an employment contract.
[1:01:17] It's related to ordinance 802 that was
[1:01:20] passed in 2019
[1:01:22] that established governance policy.
[1:01:28] And on that note, that particular
[1:01:30] ordinance only took questions from
[1:01:32] citizens last year,
[1:01:35] six years to get published as part of
[1:01:38] the municipal code that the citizens
[1:01:40] knew about.
[1:01:42] Thank you for your attention.
[1:01:44] >> Thank you. [applause]
[1:01:49] » Okay. Number seven is to discuss action
[1:01:53] to address the mayor being abruptly
[1:01:55] removed from the agenda setting process.
[1:01:59] I put this one on. So I request this
[1:02:02] item because as soon as Conniey's
[1:02:04] contract was approved by the council, I
[1:02:06] stopped receiving the team's meeting
[1:02:08] invitation to coordinate finalizing the
[1:02:11] agendas with staff. Treating me this way
[1:02:14] is insubordination and it goes against
[1:02:16] my statutory authority.
[1:02:19] Under the local government code, chapter
[1:02:22] 22, I received a legal opinion related
[1:02:25] to Tony's contract and my involvement in
[1:02:27] the agenda setting process. I requested
[1:02:30] to have the document posted online and
[1:02:33] there are extra copies available to the
[1:02:35] citizens and attendance over the desk
[1:02:38] where agendas are located. I don't think
[1:02:40] I saw those. Did we do that, Dena? Okay,
[1:02:42] she did not do that. So, the chief
[1:02:45] executive and recommending measures
[1:02:48] 22.042 042 as the chief executive
[1:02:51] officer. The mayor is tasked with
[1:02:54] actively ensuring laws are carried out
[1:02:57] and has the duty to recommend that is
[1:02:59] the duty to recommend to the governing
[1:03:02] body any measures or information related
[1:03:05] to improving the finances, health,
[1:03:08] security and good government of the
[1:03:11] municipality. My input on city council
[1:03:14] meetings agendas is vital to ensure we
[1:03:17] just had we just had a s a sample of
[1:03:20] this tonight. What happened? My input on
[1:03:23] the council meeting agendas is vital to
[1:03:25] ensure the items listed or done so in a
[1:03:28] way that informs
[1:03:30] I want to inform the public and making
[1:03:34] sure certain public documents are
[1:03:37] included in the packets is a
[1:03:39] responsibility I take seriously. It is
[1:03:42] my duty. Suggested motion is to amend
[1:03:45] the ordinance 92625
[1:03:48] to remove the word from the words
[1:03:51] section 1 that changed the city code
[1:03:54] 1.03.035
[1:03:57] addressing meetings and agenda.
[1:04:00] Do I have a motion to fix this issue
[1:04:03] from our city council?
[1:04:06] >> Mayor, did you say your duty was to
[1:04:09] » Mayor, did you say your duty was to
[1:04:09] inform the public? I'm just asking a
[1:04:11] question,
[1:04:12] >> right?
[1:04:13] » right?
[1:04:13] >> Okay. So, under section 22.042,
[1:04:16] » Okay. So, under section 22.042,
[1:04:16] power and duties of the mayor, C says
[1:04:19] the mayor shall give to the governing
[1:04:21] body, which is city council, any
[1:04:25] information, and shall recommend to the
[1:04:27] governing body any measure that relates
[1:04:29] to improving finances, please, health,
[1:04:30] security, cleanliness, [clears throat]
[1:04:32] ornament, or good government of the
[1:04:35] municipality.
[1:04:37] Are you keeping the city council
[1:04:39] informed?
[1:04:43] » I think that's what I think that's what
[1:04:44] these meetings are about. Is there a
[1:04:46] specific subject that you have a problem
[1:04:48] that you want to talk about in front of
[1:04:50] citizens?
[1:04:51] >> No, I'm I'm asking you a question. Are
[1:04:53] » No, I'm I'm asking you a question. Are
[1:04:53] you keeping the city council informed?
[1:04:55] >> I do. I send emails and I ask Dena to
[1:04:57] » I do. I send emails and I ask Dena to
[1:04:57] forward them to you. And I've seen she
[1:04:59] has included me on the emails that are
[1:05:01] forwarded to you. So, yes, that answer
[1:05:04] is yes, sir. I sure am. So,
[1:05:06] >> and I see those going to you. Yes.
[1:05:08] » and I see those going to you. Yes.
[1:05:08] >> So, when you're asking to get on this
[1:05:10] » So, when you're asking to get on this
[1:05:10] team's meeting with our attorneys, are
[1:05:13] you forwarding that information on to
[1:05:15] the city council? Because I have yet to
[1:05:17] receive anything.
[1:05:18] >> It doesn't come from me. It come It was
[1:05:20] » It doesn't come from me. It come It was
[1:05:20] coming from our attorneys and we
[1:05:24] actually had meetings before this
[1:05:26] contract happened. We had meetings and
[1:05:28] it was different attorneys. We have a
[1:05:30] lot of attorneys. We have like six of
[1:05:32] them we work with. that one of the
[1:05:34] attorneys would and Ashlin mainly the
[1:05:38] assistant would put it on the schedule
[1:05:40] and the calendar and at that point in
[1:05:43] time it did not come from me. I never
[1:05:45] did a teams myself. I was sent on my
[1:05:48] calendar to do a teams to discuss the
[1:05:51] agenda. That's what that what was
[1:05:54] happening and now I'm totally taken out
[1:05:56] of it and items are moving back and
[1:05:59] forth and things are being rewarded and
[1:06:02] I'm not being informed.
[1:06:04] >> So, one follow-up question to that is
[1:06:08] » So, one follow-up question to that is
[1:06:08] who was in attendance in those meetings?
[1:06:10] Was it just you and legal counsel or who
[1:06:13] else was on there?
[1:06:15] >> No, legal counsel, Dena,
[1:06:18] » No, legal counsel, Dena,
[1:06:18] and most of the time Tony would be on
[1:06:20] there.
[1:06:22] Okay.
[1:06:23] >> I used to be on that list as well. I
[1:06:25] » I used to be on that list as well. I
[1:06:25] have not received any teams meetings in
[1:06:28] the past probably month and a half
[1:06:30] either. My understanding was that it was
[1:06:32] more a like you request your items. The
[1:06:35] people that request it put it on there.
[1:06:38] There's really not a need unless there
[1:06:40] is a legal issue as how something is
[1:06:42] worded to have an hour plus meeting each
[1:06:47] time an agenda is set. like I'm not
[1:06:50] there to like if you have an item, I'm
[1:06:52] not there to talk you in or out of it.
[1:06:54] It's your item and vice versa. And so
[1:06:56] the legal team's review to my
[1:06:58] understanding, and please correct me if
[1:07:00] I'm wrong, but it's just to make sure
[1:07:02] that anything we place on the agenda is
[1:07:04] legally done and there's not any
[1:07:06] potential violation there. It's not a
[1:07:08] the source material is is ours to
[1:07:11] decide. The legal team is just to decide
[1:07:13] if what we're going through is legal and
[1:07:16] worded correctly and all of that. So I
[1:07:18] haven't been on any teams meetings as we
[1:07:20] used to be on those together but at this
[1:07:23] point it's been the last
[1:07:25] >> month or two that we I don't think we've
[1:07:27] » month or two that we I don't think we've
[1:07:27] had
[1:07:27] >> any I think it was very nice. It was
[1:07:30] » any I think it was very nice. It was
[1:07:30] very professional
[1:07:33] >> to have a meeting to discuss that with
[1:07:35] » to have a meeting to discuss that with
[1:07:35] the secretary and
[1:07:36] >> may I say something to possibly clear
[1:07:38] » may I say something to possibly clear
[1:07:38] some of this up. There was a discussion
[1:07:40] in executive session, but it was me that
[1:07:43] requested that back in February
[1:07:44] regarding my health and this this was
[1:07:48] discussed. Can I talk about that or do I
[1:07:51] need to not?
[1:07:51] >> Well, you don't have to talk about what
[1:07:52] » Well, you don't have to talk about what
[1:07:52] happened in executive session, but you
[1:07:54] can talk about whatever the concern is
[1:07:56] that apparently is still
[1:07:58] >> that brought this to the change that we
[1:08:01] » that brought this to the change that we
[1:08:01] are at now.
[1:08:02] >> That's fine.
[1:08:03] » That's fine.
[1:08:03] >> Okay. Um, if you all remember the city
[1:08:07] » Okay. Um, if you all remember the city
[1:08:07] council meeting on February 10th, I was
[1:08:09] I stepped out of the meeting and I ended
[1:08:11] up in the hospital with a potential
[1:08:13] heart attack.
[1:08:15] >> At that time, I was told lots of
[1:08:17] » At that time, I was told lots of
[1:08:18] different things and some scary stuff
[1:08:19] that might have happened to me. So, the
[1:08:22] very next meeting, I asked Tony to have
[1:08:24] an executive session with the city
[1:08:25] council to discuss the stress that was
[1:08:28] happening in this office regarding
[1:08:30] setting our agendas. It was going back
[1:08:33] and forth and back and forth all the way
[1:08:36] up till 5 or 6:00 on the day that we
[1:08:39] were supposed to post the agenda.
[1:08:41] Particularly on July 3rd of last year,
[1:08:44] my husband was in the hospital pass
[1:08:47] potentially passing away on July 3rd and
[1:08:51] I [clears throat] wanted to leave here
[1:08:52] at noon. That was the day that we were
[1:08:55] going to post the agenda. It was a
[1:08:57] holiday weekend and I was informed. I
[1:09:01] started getting information from the
[1:09:03] from the mayor that no, you can't do
[1:09:06] that. You need to send this to me. We've
[1:09:08] got to make these changes. And that
[1:09:09] lasted till 5:30 before I could leave
[1:09:12] this building to go be with my husband.
[1:09:15] So, it was due to the stress. And during
[1:09:18] that discussion, we talked about the
[1:09:20] fees for the city attorneys because
[1:09:23] there was discussion about how much
[1:09:25] money we were doing at that time.
[1:09:30] And it was decided as we came out that I
[1:09:35] think a a comment was made by Mayor Prom
[1:09:38] Croml to possibly limit the items that
[1:09:41] we have on the agenda to help alleviate
[1:09:43] some of the stress. And it was even said
[1:09:46] by Mayor Palmer, well maybe we need to
[1:09:48] pull back some of the stuff that we do
[1:09:50] with the attorneys because Ashlin, the
[1:09:53] assistant, she parallegal, she's
[1:09:55] awesome. She was actually typing up the
[1:09:58] agendas and I made the comment if she's
[1:10:00] doing it then why do you need me?
[1:10:03] >> I have done this job for 43 years. If so
[1:10:08] » I have done this job for 43 years. If so
[1:10:08] that that is why things are the way they
[1:10:10] are now. We're not trying to disqualify
[1:10:13] the mayor or the mayor pro Tim in the
[1:10:16] process. You're welcome to join us.
[1:10:18] You're welcome to call us and ask
[1:10:19] questions. Just don't belittle us and
[1:10:21] don't beat us up because we put
[1:10:23] something or change something you don't
[1:10:25] like. I hope no one does that.
[1:10:27] >> Well, you too, mayor.
[1:10:29] » Well, you too, mayor.
[1:10:29] >> I think Dena, I understand and you
[1:10:33] » I think Dena, I understand and you
[1:10:33] explained your health issues and I I
[1:10:35] sympathize with that and I know we
[1:10:37] >> I didn't I didn't bring this up for
[1:10:39] » I didn't I didn't bring this up for
[1:10:39] sympathy,
[1:10:40] >> but I want you to know that we do. Do
[1:10:43] » but I want you to know that we do. Do
[1:10:43] you have a backup to do your agenda when
[1:10:45] you're gone? I thought
[1:10:47] >> No, ma'am. I don't.
[1:10:48] » No, ma'am. I don't.
[1:10:48] >> You don't have anybody?
[1:10:49] » You don't have anybody?
[1:10:49] >> No, ma'am. I do not. I think the point
[1:10:51] » No, ma'am. I do not. I think the point
[1:10:51] what Dena is trying to make is is that
[1:10:53] we've set cut offs to to be able to get
[1:10:56] the agenda out as needed and you still
[1:10:59] continually to send information days
[1:11:01] after the cut off for agenda items.
[1:11:04] >> I have sat in those meetings as well
[1:11:07] » I have sat in those meetings as well
[1:11:07] >> meeting with our attorneys and it's
[1:11:09] » meeting with our attorneys and it's
[1:11:09] literally us paying them to tell us
[1:11:11] what's on the agenda.
[1:11:13] >> And I told Andy that's ridiculous. We
[1:11:16] » And I told Andy that's ridiculous. We
[1:11:16] spend an hour on the phone for him to
[1:11:18] go, item number one is this, item number
[1:11:21] two is this, item number three is this.
[1:11:24] It takes an hour. He has an attorney.
[1:11:27] He'll have a secondary attorney and
[1:11:28] he'll have Ashlin.
[1:11:29] >> Right.
[1:11:30] » Right.
[1:11:30] >> That hour is costing us over $800.
[1:11:33] » That hour is costing us over $800.
[1:11:33] >> Yeah.
[1:11:33] » Yeah.
[1:11:33] >> To have them on to tell us. But this is
[1:11:36] » To have them on to tell us. But this is
[1:11:36] a meeting that you're requesting,
[1:11:37] >> but it was happening three times a week.
[1:11:39] » but it was happening three times a week.
[1:11:39] Let's just address me one at a time.
[1:11:41] >> I am. That's what I'm saying. So I told
[1:11:44] » I am. That's what I'm saying. So I told
[1:11:44] Andy,
[1:11:44] >> so Dina,
[1:11:45] » so Dina,
[1:11:45] >> I'm still I'm still speaking one at a
[1:11:47] » I'm still I'm still speaking one at a
[1:11:47] time. Go ahead.
[1:11:50] >> So I told Andy that we do need to repeal
[1:11:53] » So I told Andy that we do need to repeal
[1:11:53] that back a little bit because it's
[1:11:54] absolutely ridiculous that we have to
[1:11:56] meet with our legal team just to be told
[1:11:58] what's on the agenda. And I and I'm not
[1:12:01] going to sit in a meeting just to be
[1:12:03] told what's on the agenda by our
[1:12:04] attorneys when we have a secretary and
[1:12:06] we have our city manager here to go over
[1:12:09] those items.
[1:12:11] >> Okay. I think if we review the bills,
[1:12:14] » Okay. I think if we review the bills,
[1:12:14] the agenda is very minimal compared to
[1:12:16] all the other $322,000
[1:12:19] necessary.
[1:12:20] >> Okay.
[1:12:20] » Okay.
[1:12:20] >> Yeah, they are.
[1:12:22] » Yeah, they are.
[1:12:22] >> RC had something
[1:12:24] » RC had something
[1:12:24] on this.
[1:12:25] >> I was going to say I don't believe it's
[1:12:27] » I was going to say I don't believe it's
[1:12:27] an issue of you being abruptly removed
[1:12:29] as the thing says. I believe there was a
[1:12:31] process changed and like if you're
[1:12:33] worried about a team's meeting, I'm not
[1:12:35] on it either. That was something that we
[1:12:36] used to either.
[1:12:39] I think we should reinstate that to not
[1:12:43] have what we just had tonight where I'm
[1:12:45] in the meeting, I'm running the meeting
[1:12:46] and then oh yeah, I took that off. But
[1:12:48] that's not
[1:12:48] >> I should know that, Nathan. Do you not
[1:12:50] » I should know that, Nathan. Do you not
[1:12:50] think that
[1:12:51] >> that's that's to me that's something
[1:12:52] » that's that's to me that's something
[1:12:52] that happens later. The agenda setting
[1:12:55] process was completed post the agenda
[1:12:58] agenda being set. Something changed.
[1:13:01] Something was provided that he needed
[1:13:03] that made the item no longer relevant.
[1:13:05] Those changes will happen. Eric didn't
[1:13:07] have what he needed tonight. We tabled
[1:13:09] it.
[1:13:09] >> Yeah.
[1:13:09] » Yeah.
[1:13:10] >> And so that is the action that you take.
[1:13:11] » And so that is the action that you take.
[1:13:11] It's not being removed. Did you know
[1:13:14] Eric was going to table his item?
[1:13:17] >> No. I think the difference is that
[1:13:19] » No. I think the difference is that
[1:13:19] >> he got
[1:13:19] » he got
[1:13:20] >> Scott had already talked to everyone
[1:13:21] » Scott had already talked to everyone
[1:13:21] else and knew he was going to do it.
[1:13:23] >> I got the information that I need and
[1:13:24] » I got the information that I need and
[1:13:24] you didn't have that information.
[1:13:26] >> I didn't have that information either.
[1:13:28] » I didn't have that information either.
[1:13:28] But when Scott said he had what he
[1:13:30] needed, then we were good. I'm I'm just
[1:13:32] I'm not trying to
[1:13:34] >> Mhm.
[1:13:35] » Mhm.
[1:13:35] >> I want to just to discuss the abruptly
[1:13:38] » I want to just to discuss the abruptly
[1:13:38] removed. In my opinion, there was no
[1:13:40] [clears throat] such abrupt removal. We
[1:13:42] have had a process.
[1:13:44] >> It changed.
[1:13:45] » It changed.
[1:13:45] >> We did.
[1:13:46] » We did.
[1:13:46] >> It changed. You and I are no longer on
[1:13:48] » It changed. You and I are no longer on
[1:13:48] these team calls. It is not just you
[1:13:49] being singled out. You
[1:13:51] >> I'm not saying I am.
[1:13:52] » I'm not saying I am.
[1:13:52] >> I think it doesn't say the mayor and the
[1:13:53] » I think it doesn't say the mayor and the
[1:13:53] mayor pro Tim. And so I I just think
[1:13:57] that it's a mischaracterization of what
[1:13:59] has happened here and it makes it the it
[1:14:02] shines poorly on our city staff. It it
[1:14:04] seems like we're cutting you out and
[1:14:06] we're not. This is a a process where
[1:14:10] >> Thank you.
[1:14:11] » Thank you.
[1:14:11] >> Let me Okay, hold on just a second. We
[1:14:13] » Let me Okay, hold on just a second. We
[1:14:13] need one at a time. Do you want to
[1:14:15] finish?
[1:14:15] >> I would like to finish real quick.
[1:14:16] » I would like to finish real quick.
[1:14:16] >> Go ahead.
[1:14:17] » Go ahead.
[1:14:17] >> I would just say like we have names next
[1:14:20] » I would just say like we have names next
[1:14:20] to each one.
[1:14:23] >> Not always, but yes. For the for the
[1:14:24] » Not always, but yes. For the for the
[1:14:24] most part, I'm looking at tonight's and
[1:14:26] with the exclusion of the deer issue.
[1:14:29] Uh, everybody has something next to it.
[1:14:32] Um, we don't we don't change we don't
[1:14:36] ask Eric to change Eric's. We don't ask
[1:14:38] Sean to change Sean's you to change
[1:14:40] yours. Nobody's changed theirs. So,
[1:14:43] >> well, there have been, but go ahead.
[1:14:46] » well, there have been, but go ahead.
[1:14:46] Well, if it is, then that's a legal
[1:14:48] question, then I'm counting on each
[1:14:49] member at this dis to have discussed it
[1:14:51] if they think there are any legalities.
[1:14:54] And that's fine. But we don't need to
[1:14:56] >> circle the troops and all go over this
[1:14:59] » circle the troops and all go over this
[1:14:59] one by one to discuss an item. You can
[1:15:02] call the attorney yourself and say,
[1:15:03] "Hey, this is what I'm thinking. Is this
[1:15:05] worded correctly? Is this in violation
[1:15:08] of anything? Can we do this because of
[1:15:10] Texas Open Meeting Acts?" It's not. We
[1:15:12] don't need the city manager, the city
[1:15:14] secretary, one of the city council
[1:15:16] members to jump on there with you to
[1:15:18] hear it if there's an issue. I mean, and
[1:15:20] like we talked about, you're the one
[1:15:21] that's going to disseminate the
[1:15:23] information to all of us if you if there
[1:15:24] is something based on the duties of the
[1:15:27] mayor. Correct. So, we're not we're not
[1:15:30] asking for any of this. Nothing is
[1:15:32] abruptly changed. You've not been
[1:15:34] abruptly removed. There's an agenda
[1:15:36] setting process that we try to follow
[1:15:38] and we're not there's there's no point
[1:15:41] in like Scott said having the attorneys
[1:15:44] go over this one by one if you're
[1:15:46] comfortable if you're the sponsoring
[1:15:49] member and you're comfortable with the
[1:15:52] wording then it stands you don't need to
[1:15:54] have a
[1:15:56] >> sometimes it does sometimes it doesn't
[1:15:57] » sometimes it does sometimes it doesn't
[1:15:57] mine get changed right they do get
[1:16:00] changed
[1:16:00] >> who changes them
[1:16:01] » who changes them
[1:16:01] >> well if there's a legal review I will
[1:16:03] » well if there's a legal review I will
[1:16:03] change something if It violates
[1:16:07] >> when the mayor the mayor requested this
[1:16:09] » when the mayor the mayor requested this
[1:16:09] item be changed to say abruptly removed.
[1:16:12] She took the language that I had on
[1:16:13] there and wanted it changed to what's on
[1:16:15] there not tonight
[1:16:18] and that's what we did.
[1:16:19] >> Thank you. I appreciate that. And I do
[1:16:22] » Thank you. I appreciate that. And I do
[1:16:22] think the amount of money we spend on
[1:16:25] the attorneys to do an agenda review so
[1:16:28] everyone knows what's happening is a
[1:16:30] good process. It was working very well.
[1:16:33] Um, if Dena needs a backup, I think
[1:16:35] that's something where we need to talk
[1:16:37] to staff about getting back up, but I
[1:16:39] would like to continue the process so we
[1:16:42] know exactly what's happening. Marcy,
[1:16:46] >> may I speak first, please?
[1:16:48] » may I speak first, please?
[1:16:48] >> Please. Please.
[1:16:49] » Please. Please.
[1:16:49] >> Okay, Tony would like to speak. Go
[1:16:51] » Okay, Tony would like to speak. Go
[1:16:51] ahead, Tony. Go ahead.
[1:16:54] >> So, I want to clarify what the agenda
[1:16:56] » So, I want to clarify what the agenda
[1:16:56] process is because maybe I'm missing
[1:16:58] something as far as what we're supposed
[1:16:59] to be doing. So, every member of council
[1:17:03] and the mayor gets to put items and
[1:17:05] staff get to put items on the agenda
[1:17:07] that are necessary for city business for
[1:17:09] the next meeting.
[1:17:11] I collect that information from staff
[1:17:13] and all of their items that need to go
[1:17:16] with it as far as their brief explaining
[1:17:18] as to what that item is and all of their
[1:17:21] backup data that goes with that, all
[1:17:23] their supporting data that goes with
[1:17:24] that. That is collected and put on the
[1:17:26] agenda by me. That is staff going
[1:17:29] through me. I collect that. I put that
[1:17:31] on the agenda. Council can tell you,
[1:17:34] they can tell me of items they want on
[1:17:37] the agenda as you also tell me or and or
[1:17:40] Dena as to items that you would want on
[1:17:42] the agenda. Those items typically do not
[1:17:45] have supporting information because you
[1:17:48] aren't required to have briefs on them
[1:17:50] to explain what that information is for
[1:17:52] the rest of council or for staff, which
[1:17:55] is fine. The point is that is the
[1:17:58] process. So there is no I like this, I
[1:18:01] don't like that. If they're ready to go
[1:18:04] before council, if the items from staff
[1:18:06] are ready to be presented to council for
[1:18:08] city business to move forward on an
[1:18:10] item, that item is put on the agenda.
[1:18:13] You forwarded to me a contact that had a
[1:18:16] problem with deer. We communicated with
[1:18:19] him. We communicated with the Texas
[1:18:22] Parks and Wildlife. That item got put on
[1:18:25] the agenda because we had a source that
[1:18:26] could speak about that issue. That is
[1:18:29] how that was done. The other items were
[1:18:32] put on,
[1:18:33] let it be known, none of this is staff
[1:18:36] items. Not the last agenda, not this
[1:18:38] agenda. Nothing has been staff city
[1:18:41] business. That's been on the last two
[1:18:42] agendas. So if council or the mayor has
[1:18:46] issues to put items that you'd like
[1:18:48] discussed on the agenda, those items are
[1:18:51] put on there per your recommendation and
[1:18:54] request. We now have sponsors that are
[1:18:56] added on there as well. So as well as
[1:18:59] executive session, the same process
[1:19:01] except the item the people who are
[1:19:04] requesting it are not on there. The
[1:19:05] sponsors are not on there for
[1:19:07] confidentiality purposes of not being
[1:19:09] targeted.
[1:19:11] So unless I'm missing something, that is
[1:19:13] the agenda process. There is nothing
[1:19:16] that is there's nothing drawn out.
[1:19:18] There's nothing magical. There's no
[1:19:19] secrets. There's nothing crazy going on.
[1:19:21] >> I'm not saying that, Tony. I'm just
[1:19:24] » I'm not saying that, Tony. I'm just
[1:19:24] trying to explain. I
[1:19:25] >> We had just a second. We had team
[1:19:28] » We had just a second. We had team
[1:19:28] meetings. That's what we did. And I got
[1:19:31] the agenda once y'all started putting it
[1:19:34] together. Sent it to me. We had
[1:19:37] meetings. We had with the attorney. you
[1:19:39] were on the phone. Yes. Dena was on the
[1:19:41] phone. We were on the teams and then if
[1:19:44] there were any changes then we I knew on
[1:19:47] the agenda what was happening before it
[1:19:50] got put out on a deadline. All of a
[1:19:52] sudden all of a sudden things were being
[1:19:55] put out and I'm like where did that come
[1:19:58] from? I didn't get to see that. I'm
[1:20:00] saying what I'm saying the process we
[1:20:03] had was a very good process. I'm running
[1:20:06] the meeting. I would know what's going
[1:20:08] on. I don't think we should change the
[1:20:12] process we had that was working. I hear
[1:20:15] what you're saying. Yes, I asked for
[1:20:17] sponsors. I want to know who's on it. I
[1:20:20] would like to continue as we were with
[1:20:22] the agenda. So, I am running the
[1:20:25] meeting. I know what's happening. That's
[1:20:26] the way it's supposed to work. Not just
[1:20:29] all of a sudden, oh, it's too late. It
[1:20:31] just got posted. Teresa, I didn't I
[1:20:33] didn't send it to you. So, mayor, let me
[1:20:36] uh clarify on me for end.
[1:20:39] >> Back in February, we were told that we
[1:20:43] » Back in February, we were told that we
[1:20:43] were no longer involved in the agenda
[1:20:46] process and that we would get a draft of
[1:20:49] the agenda on Friday and that would
[1:20:51] allow us to do a legal review once you
[1:20:53] meet your noon deadline. I believe it's
[1:20:56] on Tuesday. Correct.
[1:20:57] >> And that's what we were instructed to do
[1:20:59] » And that's what we were instructed to do
[1:20:59] by city council pursuant to action that
[1:21:02] was taken in an open session.
[1:21:03] >> That's correct. So if you are saying
[1:21:05] » That's correct. So if you are saying
[1:21:05] that you don't like that action, then
[1:21:08] your request is not that there's been
[1:21:11] some abrupt change, but that you want
[1:21:12] city council to reconsider. So that's
[1:21:15] the
[1:21:15] >> that is what I'm asking to reconsider. I
[1:21:18] » that is what I'm asking to reconsider. I
[1:21:18] [clears throat] mean the abrupt is seems
[1:21:20] to be a word that's a trigger word here.
[1:21:23] Take the word out, but I would like to
[1:21:26] request to go back to the process that
[1:21:29] we had that worked very well. Then I
[1:21:31] knew what was happening in a meeting
[1:21:32] instead of, oh, we have an attorney.
[1:21:35] It's fixing to be uh we got to stop the
[1:21:37] meeting at 8:00. We have an attorney in
[1:21:39] the back room that's going to be on the
[1:21:41] phone. Things like that. I should know
[1:21:44] those.
[1:21:45] >> We're always going to change. I mean,
[1:21:46] » We're always going to change. I mean,
[1:21:46] based on people's availability, whether
[1:21:48] it be Texas Parks or your staff, we may
[1:21:51] we have the flexibility. The Open
[1:21:52] Meetings Act allows us to move things
[1:21:55] around,
[1:21:55] >> right? That would be good to know. So, I
[1:21:58] » right? That would be good to know. So, I
[1:21:58] I'm sure that we can try and keep you
[1:21:59] more apprised, but I do know that you
[1:22:02] are emailed that you receive all of
[1:22:04] these emails cuz I get them and you're
[1:22:06] on them.
[1:22:07] >> So, I I I I don't know. I'm not sure why
[1:22:10] » So, I I I I don't know. I'm not sure why
[1:22:10] there's a claim that
[1:22:11] >> Do you have a call like with the
[1:22:15] » Do you have a call like with the
[1:22:15] attorneys? Is there any Do you
[1:22:17] >> Not anymore. No, that was taken off. So,
[1:22:20] » Not anymore. No, that was taken off. So,
[1:22:20] I did have calls that Andy got too busy
[1:22:23] and then Judy was going to be on some
[1:22:25] calls and all of a sudden, but she
[1:22:27] wasn't going to be at the meeting. So,
[1:22:28] we had no cohesiveness.
[1:22:30] >> Well, let me correct you there because
[1:22:31] » Well, let me correct you there because
[1:22:31] we have offered at least three different
[1:22:33] Mondays my availability for you to speak
[1:22:35] to me instead of Andy. That's true.
[1:22:37] >> You haven't.
[1:22:38] » You haven't.
[1:22:38] >> Right. Because you weren't going to be
[1:22:39] » Right. Because you weren't going to be
[1:22:40] at the meeting. Andy was going to be at
[1:22:41] the meeting.
[1:22:42] >> But I don't Okay. So, that is my
[1:22:45] » But I don't Okay. So, that is my
[1:22:45] request. I'm just asking Marcy, did you
[1:22:47] want to say something before we keep
[1:22:49] moving on?
[1:22:50] >> I just simply wanted to ask from what
[1:22:52] » I just simply wanted to ask from what
[1:22:52] I've been listening to here, it seems
[1:22:54] like there was a team's meeting that was
[1:22:57] standard operating procedure. Are those
[1:22:59] happening still with only staff?
[1:23:03] >> No.
[1:23:03] » No.
[1:23:04] >> No. And it wasn't standard operating
[1:23:05] » No. And it wasn't standard operating
[1:23:05] procedure either. It was a request by
[1:23:07] the mayor to be told what the agenda
[1:23:08] item was. We had a team's meeting that
[1:23:11] the Ashlin set up
[1:23:14] >> to tell Andy what to do.
[1:23:17] » to tell Andy what to do.
[1:23:17] You commented earlier. I told Andy,
[1:23:21] >> I made the suggestion.
[1:23:23] » I made the suggestion.
[1:23:23] >> I made the suggestion to Andy that these
[1:23:25] » I made the suggestion to Andy that these
[1:23:25] are unneeded because the purpose is to
[1:23:28] go through agenda items to tell the
[1:23:30] mayor what the agenda item is and we'd
[1:23:33] be on a call for an hour to explain to
[1:23:35] her what that agenda item.
[1:23:36] >> Scott, you didn't have to be on on any
[1:23:38] » Scott, you didn't have to be on on any
[1:23:38] call. Nobody else. I There were several
[1:23:41] times where I couldn't make the meeting
[1:23:42] if I had a a conflict with work and I
[1:23:45] would ask another council member to step
[1:23:46] in as the council representative and
[1:23:49] Scott was most usually readily
[1:23:51] available. So that's why
[1:23:52] >> he would be in there and I would agree.
[1:23:54] » he would be in there and I would agree.
[1:23:54] I I feel it was
[1:23:56] >> pretty much just going line by line. Any
[1:23:57] » pretty much just going line by line. Any
[1:23:58] legal issues here? Nope. Okay.
[1:23:59] >> From seven and $800 an hour two or three
[1:24:02] » From seven and $800 an hour two or three
[1:24:02] times a week.
[1:24:03] >> Well, I think that's a minimal amount.
[1:24:05] » Well, I think that's a minimal amount.
[1:24:05] >> I'm sorry. gets a minimal amount spent
[1:24:09] » I'm sorry. gets a minimal amount spent
[1:24:09] on agenda items that these meetings are
[1:24:12] very important for us. They're important
[1:24:15] for all of us and they're important to
[1:24:17] citizens. I think keeping the
[1:24:20] organization
[1:24:22] and the group as a whole and I am
[1:24:25] presenting it. I would very much like to
[1:24:27] be on a team's back as a group like we
[1:24:30] did before. So I would know things are
[1:24:32] changing before their final
[1:24:35] >> parliamentary requesting [clears throat]
[1:24:38] » parliamentary requesting [clears throat]
[1:24:38] >> Eric, would you like to say something?
[1:24:40] » Eric, would you like to say something?
[1:24:40] >> Yes. Parliamentary inquiry. Uh, who
[1:24:43] » Yes. Parliamentary inquiry. Uh, who
[1:24:43] controls the power of the purse?
[1:24:47] >> City council.
[1:24:48] » City council.
[1:24:48] >> Okay. And we voted on it. Thank you.
[1:24:50] » Okay. And we voted on it. Thank you.
[1:24:50] >> Thank you.
[1:24:51] » Thank you.
[1:24:51] >> What was that?
[1:24:54] » What was that?
[1:24:54] >> You keep saying that we are over on our
[1:24:58] » You keep saying that we are over on our
[1:24:58] attorney's budgets. We cut some things
[1:25:00] out. Um, so we're trying to control
[1:25:04] expenses. Mayor
[1:25:07] Well, I don't think the agenda was a
[1:25:09] small amount compared to everything else
[1:25:10] that y'all are spending. Eric,
[1:25:13] >> we're talking about lawsuits which will
[1:25:15] » we're talking about lawsuits which will
[1:25:15] cost money.
[1:25:16] >> Um, but if you look at everything else
[1:25:18] » Um, but if you look at everything else
[1:25:18] besides that,
[1:25:20] >> um, we have to make tough decisions or
[1:25:23] » um, we have to make tough decisions or
[1:25:23] else then we start looking at where else
[1:25:26] are we going to be cutting. Uh, are we
[1:25:28] going to raise taxes in the next budget
[1:25:30] cycle, which I don't want to do. I want
[1:25:32] to be below new revenue rate. That's
[1:25:34] always what I want to do because I don't
[1:25:35] want anybody having to pay more taxes
[1:25:37] than they should.
[1:25:39] >> That's a That's a good key phrase to
[1:25:41] » That's a That's a good key phrase to
[1:25:41] use. It is. Jeff, you want to say
[1:25:43] something?
[1:25:44] >> During the time that these meetings were
[1:25:46] » During the time that these meetings were
[1:25:46] held, was there ever anything found
[1:25:50] during that meeting that was worthwhile
[1:25:53] that needed to be adjusted, need to be
[1:25:55] corrected, need be reevaluated?
[1:25:58] >> Yes.
[1:25:58] » Yes.
[1:25:58] >> No. Yes, there was. And it was it was
[1:26:01] » No. Yes, there was. And it was it was
[1:26:01] very good to have the meetings and it
[1:26:06] was not a large amount compared to
[1:26:10] everything that we're spending. So my
[1:26:13] request was to amend the ordinance 92625
[1:26:18] to remove the word or the word section
[1:26:21] one that changed the code addressing the
[1:26:24] meetings. So that's what I'm requesting
[1:26:27] a motion. Is anybody going to make a
[1:26:29] motion as we sit here?
[1:26:31] >> Anyone going to make a motion?
[1:26:33] » Anyone going to make a motion?
[1:26:33] >> Just to be clear, um,
[1:26:35] » Just to be clear, um,
[1:26:35] >> from the numbers I've looked at, it
[1:26:38] » from the numbers I've looked at, it
[1:26:38] appears that all five council members
[1:26:40] combined attorneys fees when you look at
[1:26:43] all the the billing um is below just
[1:26:47] what you have as the mayor on the
[1:26:50] attorney's fees billing. So, um, we're
[1:26:55] doing a good job, I think, at managing
[1:26:57] our expenses. Um, but you, your
[1:27:00] expenses,
[1:27:02] don't laugh at him. Don't laugh at him.
[1:27:06] >> Okay.
[1:27:07] » Okay.
[1:27:07] I was getting one hour a week. That's
[1:27:11] what I was getting. And then that got
[1:27:13] cut out. So, I I don't think you can say
[1:27:16] I was spending a lot of money. So, okay,
[1:27:19] >> we need to move on. We're going to spend
[1:27:20] » we need to move on. We're going to spend
[1:27:20] all night on this subject. Apparently,
[1:27:22] y'all are not going to uh address the
[1:27:25] issue, correct the issue, and put the
[1:27:28] meetings back where they were. Y'all
[1:27:31] don't have an interest in that. I want
[1:27:33] everybody to understand the mayor does
[1:27:35] not have a vote. So Jeff again, yes,
[1:27:39] >> just to reiterate,
[1:27:41] » just to reiterate,
[1:27:41] >> these meetings were useful because I
[1:27:43] » these meetings were useful because I
[1:27:43] feel that these are being unjustly
[1:27:46] painted as $800 for an attorney to read
[1:27:50] the agenda to you. But it sounds to me
[1:27:53] like it is more than just that that come
[1:27:56] out of these meetings. You have actually
[1:27:57] found items that need discussed that
[1:28:00] need addressed.
[1:28:01] >> Yes,
[1:28:02] » Yes,
[1:28:02] >> I disagree.
[1:28:03] » I disagree.
[1:28:03] >> That's true. I just name an item.
[1:28:06] » That's true. I just name an item.
[1:28:06] >> Oh my gosh. Really, Eric?
[1:28:08] » Oh my gosh. Really, Eric?
[1:28:08] >> No. I mean, you said you just said yes.
[1:28:11] » No. I mean, you said you just said yes.
[1:28:11] No. Eric, stop. Stop. Don't be so silly.
[1:28:15] Let's be mature. Let's be professional.
[1:28:18] >> So, you'd rather spend $8,400
[1:28:20] » So, you'd rather spend $8,400
[1:28:20] a month to be told what an agenda item
[1:28:23] is.
[1:28:24] >> Like I said,
[1:28:25] » Like I said,
[1:28:25] >> Scott,
[1:28:27] » Scott,
[1:28:27] it is. It's the math.
[1:28:29] >> Very unprofessional. If you don't want
[1:28:32] » Very unprofessional. If you don't want
[1:28:32] to get it corrected and do it the way we
[1:28:34] did it before let's move on and not just
[1:28:37] go back and forth. We're not going to
[1:28:38] cross talk. We're not doing that
[1:28:39] anymore.
[1:28:40] >> Well, we could have no more. We're doing
[1:28:42] » Well, we could have no more. We're doing
[1:28:42] that. No more back and forth. Tony
[1:28:45] matter.
[1:28:46] >> Stop. You have not been You have not
[1:28:48] » Stop. You have not been You have not
[1:28:48] been acknowledged. Hold on.
[1:28:50] >> Excuse me.
[1:28:50] » Excuse me.
[1:28:50] >> One at a time.
[1:28:52] » One at a time.
[1:28:52] >> One at a time.
[1:28:53] » One at a time.
[1:28:53] >> Stop.
[1:28:54] » Stop.
[1:28:54] >> Yeah. Excuse you. Hold on.
[1:28:56] » Yeah. Excuse you. Hold on.
[1:28:56] >> Okay. God.
[1:28:57] » Okay. God.
[1:28:57] >> So, lacking a motion. I hear that
[1:29:00] » So, lacking a motion. I hear that
[1:29:00] there's no motion. So we can move on.
[1:29:01] >> Nope.
[1:29:02] » Nope.
[1:29:02] >> Correct.
[1:29:04] » Correct.
[1:29:04] >> Okay.
[1:29:06] » Okay.
[1:29:06] Not getting help on that one.
[1:29:09] Reports. Staff reports for second and
[1:29:12] third quarter. Item eight.
[1:29:14] [clears throat] Quarterly staff
[1:29:15] municipal court. Michelle Low.
[1:29:18] >> These are just in the packet. They're
[1:29:20] » These are just in the packet. They're
[1:29:20] not for discussion.
[1:29:23] >> If you had any questions on any of I
[1:29:25] » If you had any questions on any of I
[1:29:25] think
[1:29:26] >> Okay. Parks department. So we're not
[1:29:28] » Okay. Parks department. So we're not
[1:29:28] doing any reports. Mandy is not coming
[1:29:30] up. No, they're on the they're in the
[1:29:31] packet. We haven't like that.
[1:29:33] >> Okay. I think it'd be good to discuss it
[1:29:35] » Okay. I think it'd be good to discuss it
[1:29:35] in front of the citizens, but I guess
[1:29:37] you're not ready for that.
[1:29:39] >> Mayor, this is the way it's been on
[1:29:40] » Mayor, this is the way it's been on
[1:29:40] quarterly reports for
[1:29:42] >> years. Years. Like that's how we do it.
[1:29:44] » years. Years. Like that's how we do it.
[1:29:44] And if you have a specific question for
[1:29:46] >> a department here,
[1:29:48] » a department here,
[1:29:48] >> okay, excuse me, months.
[1:29:51] » okay, excuse me, months.
[1:29:51] It's been at least several quarters at
[1:29:54] this point. This is not a new process.
[1:29:55] If there are department heads to which
[1:29:57] you had specific questions, this is the
[1:29:59] way we reduce time to instead of going
[1:30:02] through each report one by one, we
[1:30:04] reduce the time and if there were
[1:30:05] specifics you had for each department,
[1:30:07] you could address those and I would say
[1:30:10] that if they are here and prepared to if
[1:30:11] you have questions specifically for the
[1:30:13] department, please do so because that is
[1:30:15] the purpose of this time.
[1:30:16] >> Thank you very much, Nathan. Okay, so
[1:30:19] » Thank you very much, Nathan. Okay, so
[1:30:19] we're going to skip down since no one's
[1:30:21] presenting anything. Is Gretchen here?
[1:30:25] I'm here.
[1:30:26] >> Gretchen. Okay. So, Gretchen,
[1:30:29] » Gretchen. Okay. So, Gretchen,
[1:30:30] >> why are we moving to Gretchen?
[1:30:31] » why are we moving to Gretchen?
[1:30:31] >> I had some questions I bet that you know
[1:30:33] » I had some questions I bet that you know
[1:30:34] and can answer.
[1:30:35] >> What?
[1:30:37] » What?
[1:30:37] >> Where are we going with this?
[1:30:38] » Where are we going with this?
[1:30:38] >> What What What item are we on on the
[1:30:40] » What What What item are we on on the
[1:30:40] agenda?
[1:30:40] >> We're jumping down to the project update
[1:30:44] » We're jumping down to the project update
[1:30:44] from Gretchen.
[1:30:48] » Where which is it on one of the specific
[1:30:51] reports? You mean?
[1:30:53] >> Yeah, it's it's Gretchen's second and
[1:30:55] » Yeah, it's it's Gretchen's second and
[1:30:55] third. That's what I'm going to ask her
[1:30:57] questions.
[1:30:58] >> Gotcha. So, if you use the item number,
[1:31:00] » Gotcha. So, if you use the item number,
[1:31:00] that would be helpful. You're still on
[1:31:01] item number eight, but you
[1:31:03] >> Yes, I am.
[1:31:03] » Yes, I am.
[1:31:03] >> Gotcha.
[1:31:04] » Gotcha.
[1:31:04] >> Sorry.
[1:31:04] » Sorry.
[1:31:04] >> All right.
[1:31:05] » All right.
[1:31:05] >> Mhm.
[1:31:07] » Mhm.
[1:31:07] >> Okay, Gretchen.
[1:31:08] » Okay, Gretchen.
[1:31:08] >> Are you ready?
[1:31:10] » Are you ready?
[1:31:10] >> Hi.
[1:31:10] » Hi.
[1:31:10] >> Okay. Okay. Is this construction work
[1:31:13] » Okay. Okay. Is this construction work
[1:31:13] being done right now along Bankhead
[1:31:15] Highway for the sewer line and the water
[1:31:18] line or possibly efficiently address
[1:31:21] both to accommodate the water main
[1:31:24] upgrade?
[1:31:26] [clears throat]
[1:31:26] >> Yes, we're doing Yeah, we're doing work
[1:31:29] » Yes, we're doing Yeah, we're doing work
[1:31:29] um on Banket Highway. Um the project
[1:31:32] consists of approximately 4,800 linear
[1:31:36] feet of 8 in water line and 4,900 linear
[1:31:41] feet of 10 in sewer line. So yeah, we're
[1:31:45] doing work out there. We started July
[1:31:48] 21st.
[1:31:49] >> Okay.
[1:31:49] » Okay.
[1:31:50] >> And it's um for water and sewer.
[1:31:54] » And it's um for water and sewer.
[1:31:54] >> Okay.
[1:31:56] » Okay.
[1:31:56] So, what entity uh made the decision to
[1:32:00] close Bankhead
[1:32:02] um for phase 2 project and when was that
[1:32:05] decision made and why was it made to
[1:32:08] close the road? How did that work?
[1:32:10] >> So, we had meetings with the contractor
[1:32:14] » So, we had meetings with the contractor
[1:32:14] about the work that was about to get
[1:32:17] started.
[1:32:18] >> Jacob Martin.
[1:32:19] » Jacob Martin.
[1:32:19] >> Yes, Jacob Martin. Yes. Um the
[1:32:22] » Yes, Jacob Martin. Yes. Um the
[1:32:22] contractor Sky Blue Utilities
[1:32:26] and um city staff.
[1:32:29] >> Gotcha. Okay. So, how and when were the
[1:32:32] » Gotcha. Okay. So, how and when were the
[1:32:32] notices sent to businesses along phase 2
[1:32:36] uh project road?
[1:32:38] >> I believe the first push was July 1st.
[1:32:44] » So, y'all contacted the businesses
[1:32:46] before that happened? Um it
[1:32:48] >> the city
[1:32:49] » the city
[1:32:49] >> um I through the city's Facebook page um
[1:32:53] » um I through the city's Facebook page um
[1:32:53] other social media platforms.
[1:32:56] >> I don't I can tell you
[1:32:57] » I don't I can tell you
[1:32:57] >> we that contacted
[1:32:59] » we that contacted
[1:32:59] >> June 29th signs were put out. July 1st
[1:33:02] » June 29th signs were put out. July 1st
[1:33:02] the first website and email messaging
[1:33:04] and Facebook post went out. July 17th
[1:33:07] was a second website and email messaging
[1:33:09] Facebook post and the work started on
[1:33:11] 7:20.
[1:33:15] But the city did not contact these
[1:33:18] businesses on the on um the road. Is
[1:33:22] that right?
[1:33:23] >> Not on Bake Head Road. No. Bank Highway.
[1:33:25] » Not on Bake Head Road. No. Bank Highway.
[1:33:25] No.
[1:33:26] >> Okay.
[1:33:28] » Okay.
[1:33:28] They were contacted through the same
[1:33:30] channels of everyone else was contacted
[1:33:32] being the website, the email messaging
[1:33:35] to our residents and our res and our
[1:33:37] businesses in our city limits. Facebook
[1:33:40] posts. Second website, email messaging,
[1:33:42] Facebook post. So, the same way that we
[1:33:45] tell everyone else to get our messaging.
[1:33:48] >> Okay. Well, I I personally got
[1:33:51] » Okay. Well, I I personally got
[1:33:51] complaints from business owners, spent a
[1:33:53] lot of time when they called um very
[1:33:57] upset that we did not contact them. Um
[1:34:01] some of them pay um their water bills
[1:34:05] through Willow Park. even though they're
[1:34:08] Alto, they paid the uh city of Willow
[1:34:12] Park and those were some of the people
[1:34:14] that were upset. We didn't contact them
[1:34:16] personally. When you shut the road down
[1:34:19] and the business is there and then all
[1:34:21] of a sudden it's very upsetting clearly
[1:34:25] when they reached out. Um and then one
[1:34:29] of them said that one of our staff hung
[1:34:31] up on a business owner and they got very
[1:34:34] upset and I I heard all about that one
[1:34:36] also. So, what I'm [clears throat]
[1:34:39] suggesting is we might going forward, we
[1:34:41] might try to call uh the businesses
[1:34:46] before we close the road right in front
[1:34:48] of their business to to help our
[1:34:51] businesses and our citizens out. I think
[1:34:53] that's something that we definitely
[1:34:55] should do. Um I don't see any reason why
[1:34:58] we shouldn't do that. Uh we know where
[1:35:01] they are. We can drive by them and they
[1:35:04] they pay the water bill. I don't know
[1:35:06] how many of them do. Maybe some are on.
[1:35:09] Well, I do not know that answer, but I
[1:35:12] think it would be a good practice going
[1:35:14] forward for uh the businesses.
[1:35:17] >> Mayor Palmer, I do want to correct the
[1:35:18] » Mayor Palmer, I do want to correct the
[1:35:18] fact the road was not closed. So, there
[1:35:20] was no through traffic. The road has
[1:35:22] never been fully closed. So, the traffic
[1:35:25] can get through and get to those
[1:35:26] businesses. And we did have a meeting
[1:35:28] with the contractor last Thursday. And
[1:35:31] there is a flagger there as of Monday
[1:35:33] that is trying to field traffic to get
[1:35:35] to the businesses. So there the road has
[1:35:38] not been fully closed at the point where
[1:35:40] they're doing the construction.
[1:35:42] >> Well, it was closed and then rerouted
[1:35:44] » Well, it was closed and then rerouted
[1:35:44] through a neighborhood and routed back
[1:35:45] and that was the complaint that I got.
[1:35:48] Yes.
[1:35:48] >> So I got several of them.
[1:35:50] » So I got several of them.
[1:35:50] >> There is a detour obviously so that they
[1:35:52] » There is a detour obviously so that they
[1:35:52] don't have traffic constantly going
[1:35:54] through.
[1:35:55] >> Are you a business owner back there? Is
[1:35:57] » Are you a business owner back there? Is
[1:35:57] that why you're waving at me? Uh, I
[1:35:59] tried to go through there because I
[1:36:01] heard that there was you couldn't go
[1:36:02] through there. It was completely closed
[1:36:05] off at 8:00 this morning.
[1:36:07] >> Oh, this morning.
[1:36:08] » Oh, this morning.
[1:36:08] >> So, this morning it was closed.
[1:36:11] » So, this morning it was closed.
[1:36:11] >> Wow.
[1:36:12] » Wow.
[1:36:12] >> Did you know that
[1:36:13] » Did you know that
[1:36:13] >> they're not starting at 8:00 in the
[1:36:15] » they're not starting at 8:00 in the
[1:36:15] morning for work, but there is a flagger
[1:36:17] that will be there during the day.
[1:36:19] >> But they totally closed the road down.
[1:36:20] » But they totally closed the road down.
[1:36:20] >> It should not be fully closed. There
[1:36:22] » It should not be fully closed. There
[1:36:22] should be the the barricade that goes
[1:36:25] mostly across the road to deter traffic
[1:36:28] from going through to interrupt the work
[1:36:30] that's already been opened.
[1:36:32] >> Okay. So, you're saying you couldn't get
[1:36:33] » Okay. So, you're saying you couldn't get
[1:36:34] through at all?
[1:36:36] >> Okay.
[1:36:37] » Okay.
[1:36:37] >> Yes.
[1:36:38] » Yes.
[1:36:38] >> How soon is it before school start?
[1:36:42] » How soon is it before school start?
[1:36:42] >> Two weeks, I think, when somebody called
[1:36:43] » Two weeks, I think, when somebody called
[1:36:44] me to complain about it.
[1:36:45] >> There was a meeting with Alto ISD today,
[1:36:47] » There was a meeting with Alto ISD today,
[1:36:47] so they're fully aware.
[1:36:50] >> Thank you.
[1:36:53] » Thank you.
[1:36:53] So, is there a plan?
[1:36:54] >> We we have another meeting scheduled
[1:36:57] » We we have another meeting scheduled
[1:36:57] with the school for for Monday um to
[1:37:00] talk about traffic flows, detours,
[1:37:03] emergency access, active road projects,
[1:37:08] communication channels for unexpected
[1:37:11] incidents, and um district operations.
[1:37:15] >> So, y'all are meeting Monday.
[1:37:16] » So, y'all are meeting Monday.
[1:37:16] >> The school Yeah. Um is Yeah. Um they
[1:37:20] » The school Yeah. Um is Yeah. Um they
[1:37:20] scheduled that. Um I think um the
[1:37:24] neighboring cities um were included um
[1:37:28] texter
[1:37:30] county we'll have more information.
[1:37:33] >> Okay. And so we'll once you meet with
[1:37:36] » Okay. And so we'll once you meet with
[1:37:36] the school again, you'll push it out on
[1:37:38] our our city site. So everybody needs
[1:37:40] everybody needs to look at the city site
[1:37:42] to get the updates because a lot of
[1:37:44] people that one that called me very
[1:37:47] concerned about school starting and and
[1:37:50] this traffic how are we going to get our
[1:37:52] kids you know
[1:37:53] >> to school right which is what y'all are
[1:37:55] » to school right which is what y'all are
[1:37:55] addressing right
[1:37:56] >> so the school scheduled the meeting so
[1:37:59] » so the school scheduled the meeting so
[1:37:59] we'll know more but yeah
[1:38:02] >> the schools the schools will push that
[1:38:03] » the schools the schools will push that
[1:38:03] out too on their student parent portals
[1:38:06] and everything as well too because
[1:38:07] they're going to have to reroute buses
[1:38:08] and things of that nature. So, I just
[1:38:10] know that because I've got kids in
[1:38:12] school still. So,
[1:38:13] >> traffic and safety coordination meeting.
[1:38:16] » traffic and safety coordination meeting.
[1:38:16] >> Great.
[1:38:17] » Great.
[1:38:17] >> When are you meeting with are you
[1:38:19] » When are you meeting with are you
[1:38:19] meeting with Skyblue on a daily basis or
[1:38:22] how regular is that? And are there any
[1:38:26] Let's answer that first. How often is
[1:38:27] that happening?
[1:38:28] >> Yes. So, um um I go out over there um
[1:38:31] » Yes. So, um um I go out over there um
[1:38:31] morning um afternoon. Um there's um
[1:38:35] Jacob Martin has an inspector on site,
[1:38:37] too. Um, and so if they have any issues,
[1:38:41] um, they call us, um, Chase. Um, so
[1:38:45] yeah, that's kind of how we're handling
[1:38:47] it. But, um, I went over there, um,
[1:38:50] today around noon, no, not noon, about
[1:38:53] 11:00. um talked to both well one of the
[1:38:56] flaggers. They had two flaggers and
[1:38:59] everything seemed to go I mean I did see
[1:39:03] cars going through but um they were they
[1:39:06] were doing the detours. Um I asked the
[1:39:09] flaggers you know um how how was it? I
[1:39:13] mean is it getting better? It seem seems
[1:39:16] to be I mean you get the occasional
[1:39:18] traffic. Um but for the most part I I
[1:39:22] think people now know how to you know
[1:39:25] follow the detour signs, how to get
[1:39:28] around where they need to go. Um I go
[1:39:33] home for lunch um every day. So I do I
[1:39:37] travel back to go home. Sorry.
[1:39:40] >> Um, so I've been able to do that um
[1:39:44] » Um, so I've been able to do that um
[1:39:44] during lunchtime after work um and and I
[1:39:47] I follow the frontage road um turn on
[1:39:51] new energy and you know just go back
[1:39:54] home back and forth. So,
[1:39:56] >> let me ask then if if we do have like a
[1:39:58] » let me ask then if if we do have like a
[1:39:58] flag or trying to get people through on
[1:40:01] each end of um the construction, would
[1:40:03] it not be is it an option then to ask
[1:40:06] them to open one side and just have the
[1:40:09] radio communications as we've seen on
[1:40:10] many of our two-lane highways throughout
[1:40:12] Texas to say
[1:40:13] >> so they had
[1:40:13] » so they had
[1:40:13] >> this group comes through now use
[1:40:15] » this group comes through now use
[1:40:15] [clears throat] the sideway.
[1:40:17] >> Yeah. So, they've got the two flaggers
[1:40:18] » Yeah. So, they've got the two flaggers
[1:40:18] and then there's another one kind of
[1:40:20] like in the middle just watching, you
[1:40:22] know, traffic flow um and letting cars
[1:40:26] go through um through through traffic.
[1:40:29] Um but um yeah. Um what So, they're
[1:40:33] going to be more, I guess, proactive.
[1:40:36] the flaggers are um because sometimes
[1:40:39] people just go through um that either
[1:40:42] are not going to the businesses or they
[1:40:45] just want to go through. Um so I I think
[1:40:48] they're just going to stop them and um
[1:40:50] inform them of what's going on and that
[1:40:53] that's one of what one of the flaggers
[1:40:55] told me this morning. They're explaining
[1:40:58] what's going on and how they can make
[1:41:00] the or or they can take alternate routes
[1:41:04] so that they don't have to go through
[1:41:06] the project work zone.
[1:41:08] >> Is the work taking place on both sides
[1:41:10] » Is the work taking place on both sides
[1:41:10] of the street?
[1:41:11] >> It it's um well the line's right in the
[1:41:14] » It it's um well the line's right in the
[1:41:14] middle,
[1:41:14] >> right? Is there that would be my
[1:41:17] » right? Is there that would be my
[1:41:17] question then to talk to Skyblue and see
[1:41:19] about opening up a a through route even
[1:41:23] if it's just to relieve some of the back
[1:41:25] to school, anything like that. Lane,
[1:41:26] we'll we'll more
[1:41:29] >> I touch on that.
[1:41:30] » I touch on that.
[1:41:30] >> There was Wasn't there an issue with the
[1:41:32] » There was Wasn't there an issue with the
[1:41:32] width?
[1:41:33] >> Yes, we we sorry to cut you off. We we
[1:41:36] » Yes, we we sorry to cut you off. We we
[1:41:36] did have a meeting today on site with
[1:41:38] the contractor, some members of the
[1:41:39] county, their engineering firm and our
[1:41:41] engineering firm. And that was that was
[1:41:44] the sole part of the discussion was
[1:41:46] trying to see if there was a way to make
[1:41:49] one lane either east to west or west to
[1:41:52] east open fully in the issue.
[1:41:54] >> That would be great. Well, that don't
[1:41:56] » That would be great. Well, that don't
[1:41:56] get your hopes up. Unfortunately, that
[1:41:59] the way that road is designed as it is
[1:42:01] currently that there's
[1:42:03] >> wider stretches and narrower stretches.
[1:42:05] » wider stretches and narrower stretches.
[1:42:05] You have
[1:42:06] >> drainage with um guard rails and things.
[1:42:08] » drainage with um guard rails and things.
[1:42:08] So, doing that will be very intermittent
[1:42:11] and it'll probably just create more
[1:42:12] confusion and for the alignment of the
[1:42:15] new utilities going in and it's going
[1:42:18] center line of road or slightly offset.
[1:42:20] And
[1:42:21] >> the issue with that is the equipment
[1:42:23] » the issue with that is the equipment
[1:42:23] that they're using. They're using a
[1:42:25] excavator to dig the trench right now.
[1:42:27] And at the depth they're at, they can
[1:42:29] use a midsize excavator, which setting
[1:42:31] up on the ditch line overhangs three 3
[1:42:35] and 1/2 ft into the other lane. Now,
[1:42:37] when they get a little further down,
[1:42:38] they're going to have to upsize their
[1:42:39] equipment due to the depth and it's a
[1:42:41] 14t wide piece of equipment. So, it's
[1:42:43] going to hang basically center line of
[1:42:45] the other lane. So, it's not going to be
[1:42:48] feasible. It's going to be more
[1:42:49] dangerous for everybody involved trying
[1:42:51] to squeeze cars in through one lane.
[1:42:55] So, that answered your question on that.
[1:42:58] >> So, we're getting a big no in the back
[1:42:59] » So, we're getting a big no in the back
[1:42:59] of the room. And what is your name? I'm
[1:43:02] sorry.
[1:43:04] >> Me?
[1:43:04] » Me?
[1:43:04] >> Yes.
[1:43:05] » Yes.
[1:43:05] >> I don't have anything to say about this.
[1:43:07] » I don't have anything to say about this.
[1:43:07] >> Nothing.
[1:43:07] » Nothing.
[1:43:07] >> It's horrible. It's more than the plan.
[1:43:09] » It's horrible. It's more than the plan.
[1:43:09] >> Okay.
[1:43:09] » Okay.
[1:43:09] >> And there is there was at 8:00
[1:43:13] » And there is there was at 8:00
[1:43:13] there was no flagger there.
[1:43:15] >> It was just blocked. So, what time do
[1:43:17] » It was just blocked. So, what time do
[1:43:17] the flaggers come on? If you got traffic
[1:43:19] at 8, how does that work that she's
[1:43:21] saying no one is there?
[1:43:22] >> We um I'm don't can't answer that
[1:43:25] » We um I'm don't can't answer that
[1:43:25] question, but I can definitely we're
[1:43:27] we're having weekly meetings with the
[1:43:28] contractor. We set that today. We're
[1:43:30] going to have weekly construction
[1:43:32] meetings to alleviate any road any speed
[1:43:35] bumps. We know it's been it's been a
[1:43:37] nightmare and a half trying to get this
[1:43:38] started, but we're
[1:43:41] >> bear with us. We're we're working lock
[1:43:43] » bear with us. We're we're working lock
[1:43:43] step trying to get this resolved as best
[1:43:46] we can.
[1:43:47] >> Marcy, you have a question.
[1:43:48] » Marcy, you have a question.
[1:43:48] >> Is there a way to be done through the
[1:43:50] » Is there a way to be done through the
[1:43:50] night? Will that alleviate some of the
[1:43:52] issue?
[1:43:53] >> Uh that has not been discussed. Um we
[1:43:56] » Uh that has not been discussed. Um we
[1:43:56] could possibly discuss this approach and
[1:43:59] it was 30 to 40% more.
[1:44:01] >> Oh, okay.
[1:44:02] » Oh, okay.
[1:44:02] >> For the cost for that and that is way
[1:44:05] » For the cost for that and that is way
[1:44:05] beyond our budget for this project. So,
[1:44:07] >> and I would just make a note on that.
[1:44:09] » and I would just make a note on that.
[1:44:09] Doing night work next to a subdivision.
[1:44:12] I think we'll have very a lot of angry
[1:44:14] people.
[1:44:14] >> Yeah.
[1:44:15] » Yeah.
[1:44:15] >> Okay.
[1:44:16] » Okay.
[1:44:16] >> Well, in that
[1:44:17] » Well, in that
[1:44:17] >> we have Chief Hamilton raising his hand
[1:44:19] » we have Chief Hamilton raising his hand
[1:44:19] in the back of the room. He has
[1:44:20] something to say.
[1:44:21] >> I was going to say I take my son here in
[1:44:23] » I was going to say I take my son here in
[1:44:23] the morning. So, usually going early,
[1:44:25] right before 8:00,
[1:44:26] >> they had set up so
[1:44:29] » they had set up so
[1:44:29] early in the morning when they
[1:44:32] start setting those cones up. So that's
[1:44:33] why you don't have anybody at that bar.
[1:44:37] >> Okay.
[1:44:37] » Okay.
[1:44:37] >> Once they get set up and everybody gets
[1:44:39] » Once they get set up and everybody gets
[1:44:39] there and you can easily they'll let you
[1:44:44] » have to go back and forth like 7 and
[1:44:47] then go back at 8:30 pick up back.
[1:44:50] >> Yep.
[1:44:50] » Yep.
[1:44:50] >> And 8:30 it's kind of locked down.
[1:44:53] » And 8:30 it's kind of locked down.
[1:44:53] >> It's up. Everything is up and they're
[1:44:55] » It's up. Everything is up and they're
[1:44:55] working but they'll let you.
[1:44:58] >> So if you pull up to the cones they let
[1:44:59] » So if you pull up to the cones they let
[1:45:00] they'll talk to you. electric
[1:45:04] line.
[1:45:04] >> Did you have your uniform on when they
[1:45:06] » Did you have your uniform on when they
[1:45:06] were letting you go through? Ah, you
[1:45:08] knew I was going to ask you that. Boom.
[1:45:11] Right there. I I would let you go
[1:45:13] through, too. Yeah, I would go on
[1:45:15] through here. You No uniform can't go
[1:45:18] right.
[1:45:20] Just Just wanted to throw that in.
[1:45:23] Does anybody else have questions for
[1:45:25] them before we move on?
[1:45:26] >> Yeah. Yes, Gretchen. on the Kingsgate
[1:45:29] » Yeah. Yes, Gretchen. on the Kingsgate
[1:45:29] road bridge replacement project. I know
[1:45:31] the contractor we were using went out of
[1:45:33] business. I know Tex's now trying to put
[1:45:36] the bid out. Do we have any sense of
[1:45:38] when that closes?
[1:45:40] >> No, we don't. Um I emailed um text last
[1:45:46] » No, we don't. Um I emailed um text last
[1:45:46] week um and they don't have any
[1:45:49] information. Um they basically told me
[1:45:52] once they do they'll contact
[1:45:54] >> okay
[1:45:55] » okay
[1:45:55] >> the city but no.
[1:45:57] » the city but no.
[1:45:57] >> And then one other question on the water
[1:45:59] » And then one other question on the water
[1:45:59] supply and infrastructure grant.
[1:46:01] >> Yes.
[1:46:01] » Yes.
[1:46:01] >> Uh house bill 500.
[1:46:03] » Uh house bill 500.
[1:46:03] >> Yes.
[1:46:04] » Yes.
[1:46:04] >> Um I know we have to have it submitted
[1:46:06] » Um I know we have to have it submitted
[1:46:06] by July 30th which
[1:46:08] >> it's approaching very soon. It we're
[1:46:11] » it's approaching very soon. It we're
[1:46:11] confident we're going to get that
[1:46:12] submitted. Correct.
[1:46:13] >> Yes. We just received the the copy of
[1:46:15] » Yes. We just received the the copy of
[1:46:15] the application today. We're going
[1:46:18] through it to be ready for submitt.
[1:46:20] >> Okay.
[1:46:20] » Okay.
[1:46:20] >> Yes, we everything's ready.
[1:46:22] » Yes, we everything's ready.
[1:46:22] >> All right. Perfect. And that was for up
[1:46:25] » All right. Perfect. And that was for up
[1:46:25] to $10 million and that would be used
[1:46:27] for Creek
[1:46:30] water um pipelines and other areas where
[1:46:35] we had major water leakage.
[1:46:38] >> Yes, that's correct.
[1:46:38] » Yes, that's correct.
[1:46:38] >> Right. Mhm.
[1:46:40] » Right. Mhm.
[1:46:40] RC
[1:46:42] >> that 2 million includes the 5.5 for the
[1:46:45] » that 2 million includes the 5.5 for the
[1:46:45] West Oak subdivision.
[1:46:47] >> That's going federal. Is that correct?
[1:46:49] » That's going federal. Is that correct?
[1:46:49] >> Yeah. So, um it does not um we were
[1:46:53] » Yeah. So, um it does not um we were
[1:46:53] going to um seek an alternate funding
[1:46:57] mechanism for that.
[1:46:58] >> That would be federal funding. Correct.
[1:47:00] » That would be federal funding. Correct.
[1:47:00] >> Yep. Versus states.
[1:47:01] » Yep. Versus states.
[1:47:01] >> Yes.
[1:47:02] » Yes.
[1:47:02] >> Based on income.
[1:47:03] » Based on income.
[1:47:03] >> Jean.
[1:47:03] » Jean.
[1:47:03] >> Yes.
[1:47:04] » Yes.
[1:47:04] >> Yeah. Eric actually prompted the
[1:47:07] » Yeah. Eric actually prompted the
[1:47:07] question. There's a electric billboard
[1:47:10] [clears throat] on the service road that
[1:47:12] says take the detour because King's gate
[1:47:15] is closed. Are we renting that or is
[1:47:18] that on text?
[1:47:20] >> Text.
[1:47:21] » Text.
[1:47:21] >> Okay. Well, you might recommend to them
[1:47:23] » Okay. Well, you might recommend to them
[1:47:23] that they put up a permanent side
[1:47:25] [snorts]
[1:47:27] >> until that. Yeah. Yeah. That that that's
[1:47:30] » until that. Yeah. Yeah. That that that's
[1:47:30] a state project. So, Texot's managing
[1:47:33] the project. Um they're inspecting the
[1:47:37] project. So yeah, they're overseeing
[1:47:39] everything.
[1:47:40] >> Thank you, Gretchen. We appreciate it.
[1:47:42] » Thank you, Gretchen. We appreciate it.
[1:47:42] Thank you.
[1:47:42] >> I do want to point out that the uh
[1:47:44] » I do want to point out that the uh
[1:47:44] repaving in front of Brookshshire's all
[1:47:46] the way down to New Energy yesterday for
[1:47:48] Tex dot, we were not alerted for that
[1:47:50] project or was it yesterday? Yeah, just
[1:47:53] yesterday.
[1:47:53] >> Text dot did not tell you they were
[1:47:55] » Text dot did not tell you they were
[1:47:55] doing that.
[1:47:55] >> That is correct. So,
[1:47:57] » That is correct. So,
[1:47:57] >> wow, that's huge.
[1:47:58] » wow, that's huge.
[1:47:58] >> I just it was inconvenient timing like
[1:48:00] » I just it was inconvenient timing like
[1:48:00] all construction is, but the fact that
[1:48:02] like every corridor had something going
[1:48:04] on was especially challenging. But we
[1:48:07] were not aware of that. So,
[1:48:10] >> okay. Okay. We're going to move on to
[1:48:12] » okay. Okay. We're going to move on to
[1:48:12] executive session. Uh the next items
[1:48:15] will be discussed in executive session
[1:48:16] as allowed by the Texas government code.
[1:48:20] Section 551.071
[1:48:23] consultation with city attorney. Section
[1:48:26] 551.074 [clears throat]
[1:48:27] personnel. Section 551.087
[1:48:31] economic development negotiations.
[1:48:34] Number nine is the city of Alo, Texas,
[1:48:37] and the city of Fort Worth, Texas versus
[1:48:40] Willow Park. Beline Ranch and Parker
[1:48:44] County. Cause number CV26-0175
[1:48:49] and Parker County 43rd District Court.
[1:48:53] Number 10, home rule charter and charter
[1:48:56] commission legal issues. 11, police
[1:48:58] chief position. 12 economic development
[1:49:02] negotiations with Bandidas Willow Park.
[1:49:05] The time now is 7:47. Thank you.
[1:49:19] Okay, we're going to reconvene into open
[1:49:23] session. The time now is 9:15.
[1:49:27] Does the council wish to make any
[1:49:28] motions related to the closed session?
[1:49:32] >> No action.
[1:49:33] » No action.
[1:49:34] >> Okay. No one has anything.
[1:49:35] » Okay. No one has anything.
[1:49:36] >> Hang on.
[1:49:38] » Hang on.
[1:49:38] [clears throat]
[1:49:39] >> No. Are we closing out the as of today
[1:49:42] » No. Are we closing out the as of today
[1:49:42] at 5?
[1:49:44] >> Yes.
[1:49:45] » Yes.
[1:49:45] >> Yes.
[1:49:45] » Yes.
[1:49:45] >> Okay.
[1:49:46] » Okay.
[1:49:46] >> So, we need to go and vote on that. You
[1:49:48] » So, we need to go and vote on that. You
[1:49:48] want to go ahead and do that?
[1:49:49] >> Yeah.
[1:49:49] » Yeah.
[1:49:49] Okay. So, we have a motion to close the
[1:49:53] uh resumeumés out off TML at 5:00 pm
[1:49:57] today. So, do you want to make a motion?
[1:49:59] >> Uh, yes. Uh, close out any more resumes
[1:50:02] » Uh, yes. Uh, close out any more resumes
[1:50:02] coming in after 5:00 today, unless
[1:50:04] they're postdated, I guess, or the email
[1:50:06] time stamp.
[1:50:07] >> Huh.
[1:50:08] » Huh.
[1:50:08] >> Okay. Do we have
[1:50:09] » Okay. Do we have
[1:50:09] >> Yeah. For I'm sorry, for police chief.
[1:50:11] » Yeah. For I'm sorry, for police chief.
[1:50:11] Yeah, I guess we
[1:50:11] >> police chief. Yeah. Do we have a second
[1:50:13] » police chief. Yeah. Do we have a second
[1:50:13] on that?
[1:50:14] >> I'll second. Oh, go ahead. No, you got
[1:50:15] » I'll second. Oh, go ahead. No, you got
[1:50:16] it.
[1:50:16] >> Nathan's going to second. Okay. All in
[1:50:19] » Nathan's going to second. Okay. All in
[1:50:19] favor? There you go.
[1:50:22] >> Okay. So, item 13 is city manager
[1:50:26] » Okay. So, item 13 is city manager
[1:50:26] comments, response, reaction to the
[1:50:29] meeting.
[1:50:30] >> No, ma'am. Just the uh community
[1:50:32] » No, ma'am. Just the uh community
[1:50:32] interest about Bearcat Nation is 101 is
[1:50:35] the back to school event that is at the
[1:50:38] Alto High School that is on Saturday,
[1:50:40] August 1st from 9:00 a.m. to 12:00 noon.
[1:50:42] And so it is just an event for uh back
[1:50:45] to school that the city hosts uh excuse
[1:50:47] me that the that the school hosts the
[1:50:49] city will be there as we are every year.
[1:50:52] And then national night out again just
[1:50:54] to remind you put on your calendar is
[1:50:55] October 6th of 2026 at the district of
[1:50:58] Willow Park. And then our university
[1:51:01] schedule and our next will be in
[1:51:03] September. So more news to come for
[1:51:04] that.
[1:51:06] >> Okay. Thank you.
[1:51:07] » Okay. Thank you.
[1:51:08] >> All right. Thank you.
[1:51:11] » All right. Thank you.
[1:51:11] >> Okay. Number 14 is mayor, city council
[1:51:14] » Okay. Number 14 is mayor, city council
[1:51:14] comments.
[1:51:17] Anybody have any comments before we move
[1:51:20] on?
[1:51:20] >> Yeah, just a reminder of our uh or my
[1:51:24] » Yeah, just a reminder of our uh or my
[1:51:24] event, I guess, is the uh C coffee with
[1:51:28] Councilman. That is August 7th. That's
[1:51:30] that first Friday of the month. 8:30
[1:51:32] starts right at 8:30 a.m. and ends right
[1:51:36] at 9:30. I want everybody's hour um for
[1:51:39] that day. So,
[1:51:40] >> okay. Anybody's welcome to join. Open
[1:51:42] » okay. Anybody's welcome to join. Open
[1:51:42] conversation. No agenda. Love to see you
[1:51:45] there.
[1:51:46] >> Okay. Thank you. All right. Number 15,
[1:51:48] » Okay. Thank you. All right. Number 15,
[1:51:48] future agenda request
[1:51:51] by mayor and city council. I have some.
[1:51:53] Do y'all have some?
[1:51:55] >> We don't have agenda anymore.
[1:51:58] » We don't have agenda anymore.
[1:51:58] >> H
[1:51:59] » H
[1:51:59] >> We don't have that on the agenda.
[1:52:00] » We don't have that on the agenda.
[1:52:00] >> Yeah, it's my 15, but
[1:52:05] » you didn't put that on there.
[1:52:10] Dina, is that on the agenda?
[1:52:14] » You don't have it this time. Okay.
[1:52:16] >> Number 15 is not there.
[1:52:17] » Number 15 is not there.
[1:52:17] >> All I've got 14.
[1:52:19] » All I've got 14.
[1:52:19] >> All right. I'm used to putting that on
[1:52:21] » All right. I'm used to putting that on
[1:52:21] the end. So, I guess, uh, we'll be
[1:52:23] turning them in to you, Dina, as our
[1:52:26] request.
[1:52:27] >> So, um, moving on to adjourn. Is there a
[1:52:30] » So, um, moving on to adjourn. Is there a
[1:52:30] motion to adjurnn?
[1:52:31] >> I move we adjourn.
[1:52:33] » I move we adjourn.
[1:52:33] >> We have a second.
[1:52:34] » We have a second.
[1:52:34] >> Second.
[1:52:35] » Second.
[1:52:35] >> Scott's first. Second. All in favor? Hi.
[1:52:38] » Scott's first. Second. All in favor? Hi.
[1:52:38] >> There you go. Good night. Thank you very
[1:52:40] » There you go. Good night. Thank you very
[1:52:40] much.