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All right. Good evening everyone.

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Welcome to tonight's Willow City Council

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regular meeting on August 25th, 2026.

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We'll call this meeting to order at 6

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PM.

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First up, pledge of allegiance. Uh Mr.

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Low, will you please lead us?

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indivisible

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» indivisibley

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andice.

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» All right, next up we have the oath of

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office, newly appointed council member

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John Lowe.

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I low

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solemnly swear

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>> I will support and defend

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>> Constitution of the United States

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» Constitution State of California

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>> against all against all enemies,

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foreign and domestic.

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>> I will

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>> that I will bear true faith and

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allegiance.

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>> Constitution of the United States,

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>> Constitution of the State of California,

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>> I take this obligation freely,

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» without any mental reservation,

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purpose of evasion.

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I will well and faithfully discharge

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the duties upon which you

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» welcome.

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>> Congratulations and welcome.

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All right, next we will have a roll

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call, please.

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>> Sure. Mayor Hudson,

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>> present.

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>> Vice Mayor Thomas,

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>> present.

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>> Council member Hansen,

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>> here.

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>> Council member Pride, here. Council

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member Low,

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>> present.

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>> Thank you.

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>> Okay. City Manager, any changes to the

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agenda?

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>> Um, mayor and vice mayor and council, I

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just wanted to recommend that maybe the

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council would like to continue items 6G

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through 6H to the September 8th meeting,

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it's come to my attention that there are

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um some typogrammatical

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errors in those uh job classifications

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and I thought the council might just

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want to let the staff go through it with

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a fine tooth comb and bring it back on

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the ETH. However, it would be helpful to

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approve the police chief job

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classification since there is later in

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the agenda a recruit request for

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recruitment of a new police chief.

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>> Okay. And you said 6G and 6H. 6G through

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uh 6

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>> through J.

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>> J, sorry. 6G through J. Yes, that's

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correct.

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>> Thank you.

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» Do you need consensus from the council

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on that?

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>> I believe yes.

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>> Yes, I would go ahead and

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>> I I would go ahead and just move that we

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approve those changes to the agenda so

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that we can get those looked at more

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thoroughly. Second the motion. Mr.

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Mayor,

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>> I have a first and a second. Any further

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discussion? Seeing none, all in favor

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signify by saying I. I.

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>> Hey.

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>> All oppose. Same sign. Motion pass 5 to

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zero. All right.

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[clears throat] With that, next up we

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have public comment and consent calendar

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forum. All items on the consent calendar

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are considered routine and may be

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approved with a single vote unless

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removed for separate discussion by the

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council or city manager. Individuals

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wishing to speak on consent items or

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matters not on the agenda are asked to

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complete a speaker card and submit it to

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the city clerk. All remarks shall be

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directed to the mayor and council

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members and are limited to 3 minutes. By

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law, the council cannot discuss or take

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action on items not listed on the posted

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agenda. We have item 6 A, register

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approval. 6B, minutes approval. 6 C,

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oppose Assembly Bill 1383, PEPAR. Item

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6D is in David, Oak Street and Madrron

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Manor Street Pavement Project. Item 6E,

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rural economic development strategy and

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business attraction project. Item 6F,

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police chief job classification and

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salary schedule.

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civil plan check services. Item 6 L,

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Willows Police Department and

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postresertification.

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Item 6M, chapter 2.65 of the Willis

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Municipal Code. Item 6N, Lexi Pole,

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subscription for Willis Police

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Department.

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Uh, with that, if there is any questions

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from the council or any items that they

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wish to be pulled,

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>> I would like to pull item 6F, the police

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chief job classification. I just have

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some items in the job description that I

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want to have cleaned up.

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» Mr. Mayor, I have a comment about 6E. I

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don't necessarily need to pull the item.

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>> Um, we've done many rural economic

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development studies throughout Willows

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over the last 25 years. Um, I've

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participated in several of those. Often

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they ended up um collecting dust on a

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shelf. This particular study looks like

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it actually creates some deliverables

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which um my question to staff would be

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do they have the bandwidth to

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actually effect whatever the

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recommendations are.

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So, u my only comment would be I would

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recommend in the future that the council

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consider maybe looking at um an economic

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development

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um subcommittee much like the finance

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committee or actually hiring an a

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part-time economic development

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strategist that can actually follow up

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on some of that information. I think

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it's I think this is a it's grant

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funded. Um it reading the package it

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looks like it has some good deliverables

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and actual uh information that we can

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actually put to work but we need

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somebody to put it to work. So I would

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um that would be my comment that after

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we've done this the council at another

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time actually look at um

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figuring out how we can actually affect

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that document once it's done.

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with that, I'm going to request that we

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pull item 6 C

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in Charlie oppose Assembly Bill 1383.

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All right. Uh, any further questions

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from the council regarding the consent

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calendar?

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want to, and again, I don't want to pull

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and civil plan check services. There

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wasn't a lot of information in our

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packet on those and we will be creating

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contracts with each of these

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individuals. I just know that I like to

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kind of see the end result of what those

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contracts look like. So, as we put those

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together, not that it's just the money,

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but deliverables are also the turnaround

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times um all the things they promised in

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their proposals that we actually get

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those into those on call agreements so

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we can hold them accountable, not just

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on price. um we're doing these on call

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agreements for the benefit of the

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audience so that when we have a building

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application or some kind of a project,

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we've always just had one company that

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we went to for all of the plan checks,

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all of that stuff. Now, we're going out

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and we're potentially going to, if we

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approve this tonight, have five

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additional companies on contracts that

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we can look and see who's the best

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company to look at doing the plan checks

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for this specific project, which should

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make things more timely. we can turn

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projects around more quickly, a little

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more competitive, and that they've bid it. So, it gives um Joe, our

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community development director, a lot

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more flexibility in getting those those

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projects moved through. So, again, I'm

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very much contractminded. It bothers me

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a little bit when we don't have those

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things to look at in our packet. Um I

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don't like to see things and not be able

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to see more about them. Um in future, I

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think on an item like this, I'd like to

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see maybe at least the summaries of the

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analysis for who we're looking at

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actually going with. um which I'd asked

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questions about that prior to the

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meeting. You know, just want to see a

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little bit more before we say yay or

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nay. So, just wanted to comment on that.

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Uh with that, I will open this up to

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public comment. And this is for any

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items on the consent calendar or items

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that are not on the agenda.

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6G, 6H, 6 I, and 6J are not on the

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consent calendar item at this time.

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>> So, is there any public comment?

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>> I have Isaiah Rossi.

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» Anybody else?

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» Go ahead, Isaiah.

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Hey, so um basically the ones I wanted

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to talk about were um out of the agenda,

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but it [snorts] correct me if I'm wrong,

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but see if I can find it here. I'm

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sorry.

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For the reestablishment of the police

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building, you guys are trying to make it

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this building again. Will it this

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building even accept another police

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department due to the size of it?

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because we have city hall where the

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Willows Police Department used to be. Or

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are you guys just looking at a new um

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office for them?

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I think it's on the um the board. I'm

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not sure. I may have read it wrong.

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>> I think that's a discussion and action

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calendar item. Uh yes, that's item 7B.

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So, that's going to come back up later

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as far as the tenant improvements. All

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right. Thank you. Thank you,

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>> Joyce Cassander.

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» I come here every once in a while and I

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first of all, I'd like to thank the

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young man here that was kind enough to

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apply and be on the city council and I'd

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like to thank you for your time, though

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I don't always agree with you. The other

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thing an observation.

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Um I my humble mind thought that

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you were supposed to tell our city

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manager what to do and she was going to

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give you input. What I've been getting

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because I've been coming more frequently

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she's telling you what to do more. So, I mean, I could be wrong, but I

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appreciate you listening to me. And the

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other thing that's still kind of

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sticking in my throat is the sewage

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thing and the billing and all that

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expense and make and I just hope they

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all pay their bills since they don't all

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own the properties that the sewage bill

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will be coming. So, again, thank you for

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your time.

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>> Thank you.

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>> Any other public comment? Michelle

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Knight 6C.

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>> I'm sorry, that one was pulled. We'll listen to it. We'll have your

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comment on that one.

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>> 6C. Okay.

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>> Yes. How about

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>> uh 6F?

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>> So, 6F now.

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>> That would be the police chief.

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>> 6F is also pulled.

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>> 6F is What about 6 L and 6N? Go for it.

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>> You're good on those ones.

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>> Okay, great. Thank you. So, regarding

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6L, um I just wanted to say that I

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support the recommendation that the city

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participate in the California Post

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program. I'm very familiar with that

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program, having previously served as a

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training manager in my professional

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career prior to retirement. Post

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provides an excellent and comprehensive

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training program for law enforcement

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officers and officers significant um and

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offer significant benefits to a newly re

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re-established police department. In

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addition to ensuring that officers

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receive high quality standardized

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training, participation in the program

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can provide reimbursement to the city

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for eligible

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uh training expenses, thereby helping to

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offset the department's overall training

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costs. Participation in post also

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provides the city with a access to

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establish postcertified background

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investigation and hiring processes.

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Uh these procedures are highly regarded

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within the law enforcement profession

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and can help ensure that the department

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recruits and hires qualified candidates

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who meet uh appropriate professional

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standards. Finally, participation in

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post program can help reduce the city's

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overall exposure to liability by

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ensuring that officers receive

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standardized training and that

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appropriate hiring and background

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investigation practices are followed.

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For these reasons, I strongly support

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the city's participation in the post

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program. I believe it would provide

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substantial financial, operational, and

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riskmanagement benefits as the city

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works to rebuild and establish a

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professional and effective police

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department. So, I just wanted to support

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you guys in that and share that with the

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public.

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I also [clears throat] support the

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recommendation for the city to contract

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with Lexiple Incorporated for the

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purposes of developing and

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reestablishing and maintaining current

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policies and procedures for the newly

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reestablished police department. I'm ve

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very familiar with the Lexico Lexiple

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program having extensively utilized it

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during my previous professional career

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in a management capacity prior to

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retirement. Lexiple is a wellestablished

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and widely recognized resource used by

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numerous law enforcement agencies

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throughout California. In my experience,

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the program is both comprehensive and

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user-friendly while providing agencies

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with the ability to maintain policies

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that are consistent with applicable

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federal and California laws,

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regulations, and recognized law

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enforcement standards. Another

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significant benefit in the program's

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ability is to assist the department in

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tracking employee policy review,

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acknowledgement, and compliance.

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Maintaining documentation that personnel

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have received, reviewed, and

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acknowledged the department policy is an

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important administrative function and

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can help reduce the city's potential

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exposure to liability. I also found

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Lexipul's flexibility and ongoing

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support to be exceptional compared to

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other management programs I utilized

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during my previous career. The ability

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to maintain current policies while

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receiving ongoing updates and

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professional support is particularly

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valuable for a newly reestablished

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police department. That is building its

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policies and procedures from the ground

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up. For these reasons, I strongly

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support the city's authorization to

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contract with and participate in the

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Lexapole program. I believe it will

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provide the department with a

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comprehensive policy management resource

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while strengthening operational

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consistency, accountability, and risk

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management. Thank you.

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>> Thank you.

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Jim Alf, [clears throat]

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» I can't hear you. I'm sorry. About his

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the structured

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Then did that go out to bid

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>> for what construction?

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>> The repayment.

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>> Yes.

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it did.

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>> Yeah. Okay. I must have just missed it.

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But who made the decision on which

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streets got done?

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>> I still can I'm sorry. I still can't

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hear you.

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>> Who made the decision on which streets

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needed to be done?

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>> Uh that's based off of a study that we

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had done. [snorts] How many years ago

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was that? Um

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it's based off of what we're able to

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actually get done. how much essentially

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black top we're able to get covered.

404
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>> I'm just curious.

405
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>> Yeah,

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>> there's only two residents on that

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street.

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>> One of them there's driveways off of

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Marshall. The other one doesn't even

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have a driveway. But other than that,

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it's just being used for a parking lot.

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And you well know, drive around this

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town, there's others run a business

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that could use a little attention, too.

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Well, I would agree with you that

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there's a lot of streets in this town

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that could use a lot of support. Um,

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Joe, do you want you probably have a

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better answer than I can answer this one

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from a

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>> Yeah. So, we go off of a pavement

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condition index, which is a rating of

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the roads. Uh, we've been doing some

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rehabilitation, which is kind of top

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covering medium damage roads, and the

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council decided they want to go with

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some full rehabilitation. So,

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unfortunately, with the money that we

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have available in our gas tax accounts,

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that's kind of the maximum we can afford

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at this point is is those stretches of

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road.

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So essentially it's because oak is so

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far

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>> it's very low on the list. Yes, correct.

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It's very very low. We do have a grant

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that uh did the plans and specs for

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those roads. It actually saved us a good

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amount of money to be able to do that

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>> and we are looking at getting plans and

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specs to go from um in front of the

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sheriff station to Lassen Street. Get

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that done.

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>> Okay. So we are going to be able to go

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from Marshall all the way to Lassen.

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>> No. So

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>> just still still to Murdoch.

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>> The plans and specs will cover to Lassen

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and then we'll identify try to identify

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construction funding to finish out that

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other terrible piece of road there.

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>> Gotcha.

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Okay. Any any more public comment?

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>> No more. Okay. With that, I will give it

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to the council. I would move that we

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approve consent items uh 6 A, B, D, E,

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K, L, M, and N as presented.

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>> I have a first. Is there a second?

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>> Second the motion. Mr. Mayor,

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>> could you repeat which?

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>> A, B, D, E, K, L, M, and N.

462
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I think I checked it twice.

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>> Yeah.

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>> Yep. I have

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>> Yeah, that's I I have that as correct,

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too.

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>> Second the motion, Mr. Mayor.

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>> I pulled I pulled C, she pulled F and

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then we're postponing. Okay. G H

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>> I J.

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Okay. Sorry. Reminded me of teaching my

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kids the ABCs and they miss letters. So,

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>> that was hard just going.

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>> That's why I was giggling. So, we have a

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first and a second to um approve items 6

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A, 6B. I'm going to mess it up. 6 D, 6E,

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6 K, 6 L, 6 M, 6N.

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Any further discussion? Okay. All in

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favor signify by saying I.

480
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>> I. All oppose. Same sign. Motion pass.

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Next item up is item 6C, oppose Assembly

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Bill 1383.

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Um the recommended action on this is

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adopt a resolution opposing Assembly

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Bill 1383

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relating to public employees retirement

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benefits and proposed changes to the

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public employees pension reform act of

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2013

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and authorize the city manager or

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designate to transmit the city's

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opposition to the governor the city

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state legislative

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representatives the bill's author and

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appropriate sorry appropriate

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legislative committees and the league of

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California and other interested parties

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contacted this is Marty Brown. Um you

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want to go or do you just want me to

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voice my concern on this one?

501
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>> At some presentation that the whole

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point of this was just the the cost

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increased cost.

504
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>> Yeah. So I did read what was being

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requested here um on item 6C. It is an

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opposition to a bill that essentially

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brings um it would affect our fire

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department and our soon to be police

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department. um and essentially changes

510
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their retirement from the newer pepper

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style and goes back to what do you guys

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call that? The the classic version of

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it. Um it builds them up faster. They're

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able to retire sooner. Uh my opposition

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to this was um the top two paid salaries

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in California are responsible for the

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retirement plan totaling $1.3 million

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between the two of their salary. Um, I

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cannot oppose nor be in favor of this

520
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bill. However, the gross negligence of

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managing the funds is a true detriment

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to the city, causing us to finance an

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unfunded pension liability uh with our

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bond. I believe this is not a matter for

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the council to decide, but individuals

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to call either assembly members to voice

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their concerns. So, that's where I stand

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on it. Um,

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personally, I'm always in favor of doing

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the best for my employees that I can do.

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um they're our public servants and

532
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they're here to do our best they can for

533
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us. Um and so I don't I don't like the

534
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idea of um hamstringing their

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retirement.

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So that's where I'm at and I will leave

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it up with the council if they have any

538
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questions or comments that they would

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like to

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add.

541
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>> I just wanted to mention that the

542
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>> that the bill also impacts executive

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management staff. It is not just police

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and fire. It raises the cap of what's

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pensionable for management staff as well

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as fire.

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>> And and the challenge for a city is that

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as we have these, you know, it's a cost

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as our people retire and it becomes a

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cost that's very very difficult to cover

551
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without taking away from other services.

552
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So I I totally hear what Mayor Hudson's

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saying. as we're looking to provide the

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best benefit packages to our employees

555
00:22:02,559 --> 00:22:05,840
that we can as these legislative changes

556
00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:08,480
occur, it puts a burden on on the

557
00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:10,799
municipalities down the road that then

558
00:22:10,799 --> 00:22:12,960
we're struggling to pay those those

559
00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:15,280
obligations. If Matt Busby was still

560
00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:16,640
sitting in the chair, he would say, you

561
00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:17,679
know, if it wasn't for, you know, if

562
00:22:17,679 --> 00:22:19,440
PERS would just manage these funds

563
00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:20,880
better, you know, it would make our

564
00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:23,919
lives so much easier. So, I I hear what

565
00:22:23,919 --> 00:22:25,919
you're saying. I also know that that's a

566
00:22:25,919 --> 00:22:28,559
struggle that we've had financially and

567
00:22:28,559 --> 00:22:30,400
unfortunately I don't think individuals

568
00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:32,720
will call or even be aware of this um

569
00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:36,320
legislation. Are the the fire unions

570
00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:40,240
opposing it? Um do you know mayor if

571
00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:42,320
they're actively protecting their

572
00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:44,159
interests by opposing it?

573
00:22:44,159 --> 00:22:45,600
>> I have zero idea.

574
00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:47,520
>> Okay.

575
00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:49,360
Well, I know from my perspective I mean

576
00:22:49,360 --> 00:22:52,880
again people go well there's never easy

577
00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:54,480
answers up here. there just aren't. But

578
00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:56,080
when people go into a profession, they

579
00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:58,480
look at many things and and I just think

580
00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:00,559
government benefits are becoming

581
00:23:00,559 --> 00:23:04,159
unsustainable over time. And so that's

582
00:23:04,159 --> 00:23:05,600
just one of the many things that we have

583
00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:07,520
to manage. I would be in favor of this

584
00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:09,760
with my city council hat on, protecting

585
00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:12,320
the financial interests of the city that

586
00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:14,880
we oppose it. if we're looking to take

587
00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:16,559
the best care of our employees we can,

588
00:23:16,559 --> 00:23:18,080
you know, maybe that's on the salary end

589
00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:19,360
of things and not so much on the

590
00:23:19,360 --> 00:23:22,159
retirement end or looking at 401ks or

591
00:23:22,159 --> 00:23:23,600
looking at other options for them to

592
00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:25,520
have a retirement without putting

593
00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:29,280
everything into a a PERS based expensive

594
00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:30,960
long-term

595
00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:33,280
financial nightmare.

596
00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:35,360
>> And I just found my additional notes. So

597
00:23:35,360 --> 00:23:37,679
Steven Gilmore, who is the chief

598
00:23:37,679 --> 00:23:39,120
investment officer for the public

599
00:23:39,120 --> 00:23:42,400
employees retirement system, uh in 2025,

600
00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:46,480
his total benefit package was $740,000.

601
00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:51,280
Uh Marcy Frost, CEO, was at $620,000.

602
00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:52,400
So those are the people that are

603
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:53,760
managing this and they're mismanaging

604
00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:56,000
it. So now we are paying on a bond

605
00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:59,840
because we had to fix their screw up. To

606
00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:01,520
me, that's where the real problem lies,

607
00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:04,320
not not whether or not we should be

608
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:07,919
providing a better retirement program.

609
00:24:07,919 --> 00:24:08,960
>> Yes, ma'am.

610
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:11,760
>> If I could just add that um as council

611
00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:14,720
member Pride was asking who supports it.

612
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:16,240
I mean, it is authored by Assembly

613
00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:18,320
Member Tina McKinn, but it is primarily

614
00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:19,919
sponsored by California Professional

615
00:24:19,919 --> 00:24:22,080
Firefighters with strong backing from

616
00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:23,440
public safety and labor groups like

617
00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:25,120
Porak Peace Officers Research

618
00:24:25,120 --> 00:24:27,360
Association of California and SIBO,

619
00:24:27,360 --> 00:24:29,679
which is Sheriff's Employee. So there is

620
00:24:29,679 --> 00:24:32,400
strong law enforcement support for the

621
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:35,120
bill and the passage of it.

622
00:24:35,120 --> 00:24:36,880
>> I wonder if that same support could be

623
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:38,559
geared towards what you're saying is

624
00:24:38,559 --> 00:24:40,640
just a pers reform, you know, with

625
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:42,000
what's going on. I mean, that's the

626
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:43,520
that's really where the problem exists.

627
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:45,360
I don't disagree with you. How do we

628
00:24:45,360 --> 00:24:47,039
>> It needs to be like our jobs that you're

629
00:24:47,039 --> 00:24:48,240
in here for a couple years and you get

630
00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:50,240
your ass when it's time. Sorry for my

631
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:50,640
language.

632
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:52,559
>> Well, and you get $250 a month to do it.

633
00:24:52,559 --> 00:24:53,120
Apologize.

634
00:24:53,120 --> 00:24:55,039
>> Instead of 740,000, right?

635
00:24:55,039 --> 00:24:56,159
>> Yeah.

636
00:24:56,159 --> 00:24:59,360
Um so with that I will uh request any

637
00:24:59,360 --> 00:25:01,440
public comment regarding item 6 C.

638
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:04,552
>> Michelle Knight

639
00:25:04,552 --> 00:25:06,400
[clears throat]

640
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,159
>> within the attached document submitted

641
00:25:08,159 --> 00:25:10,080
by the city manager. It states in

642
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:11,919
addition to the city's future police

643
00:25:11,919 --> 00:25:14,880
related pension obligations. AB1383

644
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:17,120
could have a substantial

645
00:25:17,120 --> 00:25:19,840
long-term impact on the city's existing

646
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:21,919
Kalpers's obligation for fire personnel

647
00:25:21,919 --> 00:25:24,159
as well as executive management team.

648
00:25:24,159 --> 00:25:26,320
For example, the cumulative impact of

649
00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:28,240
enhanced public safety retirement

650
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:30,159
benefits could increase the city's fire

651
00:25:30,159 --> 00:25:33,679
calers cost by approximately 1.5 million

652
00:25:33,679 --> 00:25:36,960
over time over time based on current

653
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:39,360
estimates. In my opinion, this statement

654
00:25:39,360 --> 00:25:42,080
appears to be inflammatory, exaggerated,

655
00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:44,320
and potentially misleading. The city of

656
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:47,120
Willow's current total budget for the

657
00:25:47,120 --> 00:25:48,640
fire department is approximately

658
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:52,149
$954,466

659
00:25:52,159 --> 00:25:55,360
of which $61,595

660
00:25:55,360 --> 00:25:57,600
is allocated toward Kalpers's retirement

661
00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:00,799
costs. Given these figures, the

662
00:26:00,799 --> 00:26:02,799
assertion that the proposed assembly

663
00:26:02,799 --> 00:26:06,159
bill could cost the city $1.5 million

664
00:26:06,159 --> 00:26:08,640
warrants further clarification. If the

665
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:10,480
legislation were to increase retirement

666
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:13,440
costs by a specific or specified

667
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:15,760
percentage, the actual fiscal impact

668
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:17,679
would depend on the percentage

669
00:26:17,679 --> 00:26:19,760
ultimately established. While that

670
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:22,080
percentage has not yet been defined, I

671
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:24,320
am not aware of historical examples in

672
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:25,919
which a change of this nature has

673
00:26:25,919 --> 00:26:29,360
resulted in such an extraordinary

674
00:26:29,360 --> 00:26:31,520
uh increase in an AY's overall

675
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:33,520
retirement cost. Because the city of

676
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:35,279
Willows does not currently have a police

677
00:26:35,279 --> 00:26:36,720
department, I also reviewed the

678
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:38,320
retirement costs budgeted for the city

679
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:40,559
of Orland for its police officers.

680
00:26:40,559 --> 00:26:42,559
Orland's current budget allocates

681
00:26:42,559 --> 00:26:46,159
approximately $533,163

682
00:26:46,159 --> 00:26:48,240
towards police officers retirement costs

683
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:50,559
this budget year. Based on these

684
00:26:50,559 --> 00:26:52,400
figures, it seems difficult to reconcile

685
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:55,200
how the proposed legislation could cost

686
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:59,120
or result in an increase to $1.5 million

687
00:26:59,120 --> 00:27:01,200
even if officers were provided a more

688
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:04,880
favorable retirement such as 3% at 55,

689
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:06,799
which by the way, Kusa County still has

690
00:27:06,799 --> 00:27:08,640
their safety retirement right now. I

691
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:12,789
just want you guys to know that

692
00:27:12,799 --> 00:27:14,559
who we will be competing with for

693
00:27:14,559 --> 00:27:16,240
officers

694
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:18,400
for these reasons. I believe the

695
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:21,200
projected $1.5 million figure should be

696
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,279
supported by specific calculations,

697
00:27:23,279 --> 00:27:25,360
assumptions, and documentation before it

698
00:27:25,360 --> 00:27:27,120
is presented as the anticipated

699
00:27:27,120 --> 00:27:28,720
financial impact of the proposed

700
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:31,120
legislation. Why do I care about all of

701
00:27:31,120 --> 00:27:32,720
this, you may wonder? I care because

702
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:34,640
these issues directly affect the city's

703
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,120
future ability to recruit, retain, and

704
00:27:37,120 --> 00:27:39,679
retain qualified police officers. To

705
00:27:39,679 --> 00:27:41,039
build and maintain an effective

706
00:27:41,039 --> 00:27:42,720
department, we must remain competitive

707
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:44,559
in the compensation and benefits we

708
00:27:44,559 --> 00:27:47,200
offer. If our benefits package is not

709
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:49,039
competitive with neighboring agencies,

710
00:27:49,039 --> 00:27:50,799
we may struggle to attract qualified

711
00:27:50,799 --> 00:27:52,480
candidates and equally important to

712
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:54,880
retain the experienced officers we may

713
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:57,919
or we will have invested in. Lastly, you

714
00:27:57,919 --> 00:27:59,360
must seriously consider the importance

715
00:27:59,360 --> 00:28:01,120
of ensuring that officers are able to

716
00:28:01,120 --> 00:28:03,440
retire when the appropriate time comes.

717
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:05,600
We cannot reasonably expect elderly

718
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:07,440
officers to continue responding to

719
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:09,120
dangerous and physically demanding

720
00:28:09,120 --> 00:28:10,960
situations, including violent crimes

721
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:12,880
involving armed suspects or domestic

722
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,440
violence incidents. when doing so may

723
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:17,440
compromise their safety or their ability

724
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:20,000
to perform their duties effectively. I

725
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:21,679
would also like to add that California

726
00:28:21,679 --> 00:28:24,159
legislators classify incarcerated

727
00:28:24,159 --> 00:28:25,919
criminals as elderly beginning at the

728
00:28:25,919 --> 00:28:30,000
age of 50 based on their age criterion

729
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:31,679
have implemented policies allowing

730
00:28:31,679 --> 00:28:34,799
certain elderly inmates at age 50 to be

731
00:28:34,799 --> 00:28:37,279
considered or released from prison. We

732
00:28:37,279 --> 00:28:39,120
should also recognize our responsibility

733
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:40,640
to take care of the men and women who

734
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:42,320
put their lives on the line every day to

735
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:44,640
protect our community. Providing a fair

736
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:46,880
and competitive retirement benefit is

737
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:48,640
not only an investment in the future of

738
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:50,640
our police and fire departments. It is a

739
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:52,799
way of recognizing the dedication and

740
00:28:52,799 --> 00:28:54,559
sacrifices these officers and fire

741
00:28:54,559 --> 00:28:57,039
personnel make throughout their careers.

742
00:28:57,039 --> 00:28:58,720
>> For these reasons, I respectfully ask

743
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:00,080
you to consider rejecting the city

744
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,880
manager's request and instead support AB

745
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:04,559
1383. Thank you.

746
00:29:04,559 --> 00:29:06,320
>> Thank you.

747
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:08,640
Any other public comment?

748
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:10,640
That's it. I will give it to the

749
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:13,840
pleasure of the council. Mr. Mayor,

750
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:15,840
>> you ready for more council comments?

751
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:16,399
>> Yes. Yeah.

752
00:29:16,399 --> 00:29:18,880
>> Yeah. Very good. Thank you. I I I had

753
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:22,559
some uh complicated issue. Uh I agree

754
00:29:22,559 --> 00:29:25,360
with uh [clears throat] your comments uh

755
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:28,640
Evan and your comments, Lori. How's that

756
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:32,480
for uh for agreeing with everything? Uh

757
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:34,399
looking around the room, I don't want to

758
00:29:34,399 --> 00:29:36,240
slight anyone, but I believe there are

759
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:39,919
four of us and uh one to be uh honorably

760
00:29:39,919 --> 00:29:42,480
retired uh public safety members in the

761
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:46,000
audience tonight at least. Um I being

762
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:49,760
one of them after a long career in law

763
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:51,440
enforcement

764
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:53,600
and uh those in the public safety

765
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:57,440
business can can can attest to that.

766
00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:59,840
Yeah, I had a great career. you know,

767
00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:02,799
was is fantastic, but it's it's got the

768
00:30:02,799 --> 00:30:06,399
flip side, right? The uh on the

769
00:30:06,399 --> 00:30:09,200
dangerous side and uh and uh the health

770
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:16,389
risk side for sure. U so

771
00:30:16,399 --> 00:30:20,000
I'm uh I'm a PERS classic uh retiree and

772
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:21,520
semi-retired. I'm still involved in law

773
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:26,960
enforcement as a trainer. Uh although uh I I am uh I am honorably

774
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,919
retired after a long career. So Evan, I

775
00:30:29,919 --> 00:30:31,760
completely understand uh uh your

776
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:34,159
comments. Lori, I completely understand

777
00:30:34,159 --> 00:30:36,480
your comments. I understand the city's

778
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:38,720
position uh city management uh position

779
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:42,640
as well because it is costly. Uh PEPA

780
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:44,720
and the Kalpers's uh uh changes when

781
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:48,480
Pepper came in in approximately 2014,

782
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:51,039
it saved uh municipalities such as ours

783
00:30:51,039 --> 00:30:55,200
from insolvency. what it did, right? And

784
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:59,200
uh and as Marty Marty read and and I was

785
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:01,520
also aware that the major unions are are

786
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:03,279
endorsing this for obvious obvious

787
00:31:03,279 --> 00:31:07,360
reasons. Yeah, I uh I earned my my

788
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:10,159
retirement and uh I completely

789
00:31:10,159 --> 00:31:12,320
understand. I I'm not in favor of

790
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:15,360
submitting a letter of of support. I I'm

791
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:17,600
going to rem remain uh publicly neutral

792
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:19,440
on that. I know Evan uh you mentioned

793
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:21,679
that we the city willows several years

794
00:31:21,679 --> 00:31:23,600
ago. We went through the pension

795
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,159
obligation bond uh process which I was a

796
00:31:26,159 --> 00:31:28,640
member of the council then which which

797
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:30,640
saved our city from insolveny.

798
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:31,200
>> Mhm.

799
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:33,039
>> Because of the unfunded liabilities. So

800
00:31:33,039 --> 00:31:34,960
back back to the comments I've been

801
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:36,240
harping for I don't know how many years

802
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:37,600
up here about the mismanagement of

803
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:39,679
Kalpers and Lauria attested that Evan

804
00:31:39,679 --> 00:31:41,760
tested that Kalpers is mismanaged and

805
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:44,720
has been mismanaged for many many years.

806
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:46,720
You mentioned the salaries there of of

807
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,440
the leadership of Kalpers. It's insane.

808
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:52,159
So Kalpers has a luxury though putting

809
00:31:52,159 --> 00:31:53,919
their problems, their financial problems

810
00:31:53,919 --> 00:31:56,240
when when they don't meet their

811
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:58,640
investment uh returns because of their

812
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:00,320
poor choice of investments and their

813
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:02,720
politically correct in investment

814
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:04,799
policies, which doesn't make any sense.

815
00:32:04,799 --> 00:32:07,039
Rather than investing in in good

816
00:32:07,039 --> 00:32:10,000
old-fashioned American lawful companies,

817
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:13,200
they they play the political game. So

818
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,360
that's They're not doing their job. That

819
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:16,880
board is not doing their job. And the

820
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:18,000
majority of the board, I should say, and

821
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:19,440
they haven't been doing their job for a

822
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:22,720
number of years. So, if they did their

823
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:24,159
jobs, we wouldn't even be having this

824
00:32:24,159 --> 00:32:28,080
discussion in in my mind. So, I am I am

825
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:30,799
not in favor of of uh of officially

826
00:32:30,799 --> 00:32:32,559
opposing this as a city council member.

827
00:32:32,559 --> 00:32:34,320
I understand from a budget perspective,

828
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:36,880
yes, I we're we're talking signi

829
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,760
significant uh money uh in the future

830
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:44,399
down the road. Uh that's unfortunate. Uh

831
00:32:44,399 --> 00:32:47,360
I I'm sure this law I don't know I

832
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:48,799
haven't checked this the status of this

833
00:32:48,799 --> 00:32:51,200
legislation the last few days but I'm

834
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:53,200
sure it'll eventually most likely be

835
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,279
signed by the governor. But I I agree

836
00:32:55,279 --> 00:32:57,039
with with your comments Evan. I just

837
00:32:57,039 --> 00:32:59,840
wanted to I just want to make just make

838
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:04,799
my thoughts known that I understand the financial implications. However, to

839
00:33:04,799 --> 00:33:07,360
put the financial implications and the

840
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:10,240
in and my distaste, my my and I'm

841
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:12,159
speaking for myself, not for the city of

842
00:33:12,159 --> 00:33:14,240
Willows or the Willow City Council, my

843
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:17,200
extreme displeasure of the Kalpers board

844
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:19,600
and their investment policies because

845
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:22,320
it's affecting every one of us as it

846
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:24,240
affects every Kalpers employee. It

847
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:26,320
affects every Kalpers employer and it

848
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:27,760
affects the taxpayers of the state of

849
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:30,320
California and it affects every city and

850
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:32,159
county municipality in the state of

851
00:33:32,159 --> 00:33:34,720
California. So, I understand both sides

852
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:37,039
of it, but I will uh remain neutral on

853
00:33:37,039 --> 00:33:38,640
this as well, Mr. That's all I had to

854
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:39,440
say.

855
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:40,000
>> Thank you.

856
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,159
>> Thanks for bearing with me.

857
00:33:42,159 --> 00:33:45,283
>> Vice Mayor, do you have any comments?

858
00:33:45,283 --> 00:33:47,120
[snorts]

859
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:50,240
>> The retirement system

860
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:54,000
uh is from the government standpoint um

861
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:57,279
pretty generous and

862
00:33:57,279 --> 00:34:00,080
I understand the need for it. lowering

863
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,760
it for two years. I I don't

864
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:10,320
I I just fiscally I I can not support

865
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:13,520
sending the letter out if opposition.

866
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:17,440
So I would vote I would move to approve

867
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:22,069
the letter

868
00:34:22,079 --> 00:34:23,919
Pride.

869
00:34:23,919 --> 00:34:26,079
Any further com? No.

870
00:34:26,079 --> 00:34:28,480
>> Council Row.

871
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:31,200
>> I think the staff recommendation on this

872
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:34,960
is sound. AB1383 is a really a pension

873
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:39,679
bomb for the city. Um that 1.5 million

874
00:34:39,679 --> 00:34:42,639
is what that reflects is the increase in

875
00:34:42,639 --> 00:34:46,399
the UA uh for about year 15 when the

876
00:34:46,399 --> 00:34:48,320
retirements start rolling in. And when

877
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:50,879
you hire police force with 10 to 12 or

878
00:34:50,879 --> 00:34:54,639
13 additional uh that increases our cost

879
00:34:54,639 --> 00:34:57,040
by about 60k a year just for those

880
00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,599
police officers, another 28k a year for

881
00:34:59,599 --> 00:35:02,960
the fire department. Um

882
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,280
Sacramento has made some questionable

883
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:07,599
decisions uh when it comes to pension

884
00:35:07,599 --> 00:35:10,960
funds and the cities and small towns in

885
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:12,880
California pay the price for that and

886
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:14,560
you as a taxpayer pay the price for

887
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:17,520
that.

888
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:20,400
It's a significant cost and it affects

889
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,119
our ability to hire additional staff,

890
00:35:23,119 --> 00:35:25,520
additional police officers.

891
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:27,760
Uh so

892
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:29,680
I believe this is in the Senate right

893
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:31,359
now. I don't know that it's before the

894
00:35:31,359 --> 00:35:36,000
governor. Um but again, this is opposing

895
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,480
this is in line with our strategic uh

896
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:40,720
financial plan for fiscal stability for

897
00:35:40,720 --> 00:35:43,200
the city.

898
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:46,960
Thank you, mayor. Okay. Uh, with that,

899
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:49,040
we will call a roll do a roll call vote.

900
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:49,839
We have a motion. Do

901
00:35:49,839 --> 00:35:50,720
>> we have a second?

902
00:35:50,720 --> 00:35:51,920
>> I have a motion.

903
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:52,640
>> Sorry.

904
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:54,400
>> I would move to approve the resolution

905
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:55,680
of the city council of the city of

906
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:59,520
Willows opposing assembly bill 1383

907
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:01,119
McKenner relating to the public

908
00:36:01,119 --> 00:36:02,640
employees retirement benefits and

909
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:04,240
changes to the public employees pension

910
00:36:04,240 --> 00:36:07,920
reform act of 2013.

911
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:08,079
Have

912
00:36:08,079 --> 00:36:09,280
>> a first. Is there a second?

913
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:10,240
>> Second motion.

914
00:36:10,240 --> 00:36:11,839
>> I have a first and a second. Any further

915
00:36:11,839 --> 00:36:13,440
discussion?

916
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:14,720
And with that, we'll do a roll call

917
00:36:14,720 --> 00:36:16,160
vote.

918
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:17,599
>> Vice Mayor Thomas,

919
00:36:17,599 --> 00:36:18,079
>> yes.

920
00:36:18,079 --> 00:36:21,280
>> Council member Low.

921
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:22,640
>> yes.

922
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:24,000
>> Council member Hansen,

923
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:24,960
>> nay.

924
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:26,160
>> Council member Pride,

925
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:28,800
>> yes. And Mayor Hudson,

926
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:30,640
>> nay.

927
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:34,640
Motion passed three to two.

928
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:37,359
All right. And then

929
00:36:37,359 --> 00:36:40,480
next up, item 6F, police chief job

930
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:41,920
classification and salary schedule.

931
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,000
Recommended action. Approve the police

932
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,000
chief job classification and salary

933
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,400
schedule as part of the reestablishment

934
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:52,950
of the Willows Police Department.

935
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:54,960
Council member [laughter]

936
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:56,720
Council Member Pride, would you like to

937
00:36:56,720 --> 00:36:57,599
go first?

938
00:36:57,599 --> 00:37:00,880
>> I I can. So, we um had got an updated

939
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:02,880
set of job descriptions yesterday to

940
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:04,400
take a look at for all of the police

941
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:05,920
officers. I finally had a chance to

942
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:07,920
really review this one today. Was

943
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:10,000
grateful that Mr. Maloney was actually

944
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,560
here this afternoon. side questions. I

945
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:14,079
do I don't know if you've all had a

946
00:37:14,079 --> 00:37:16,320
chance to read the full job description,

947
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:19,200
but if you look at page the second page

948
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:22,079
of actually it's the third page um

949
00:37:22,079 --> 00:37:24,720
starts with education at the top and

950
00:37:24,720 --> 00:37:28,000
talking with Mr. Maloney um some of the

951
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:29,680
questions I just had is do we really

952
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:32,079
need to require a bachelor's degree or

953
00:37:32,079 --> 00:37:34,480
should that just be desirable? I think

954
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:37,839
after my conversation with Mike, um

955
00:37:37,839 --> 00:37:39,520
there's there's a lot of things a degree

956
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:44,240
does that um further um defines that

957
00:37:44,240 --> 00:37:46,240
candidate that shows their ability to do

958
00:37:46,240 --> 00:37:48,240
critical thinking and different things.

959
00:37:48,240 --> 00:37:50,640
Um I could go either way on this. My

960
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:52,000
concern was it might be a little bit of

961
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,960
a deterrent um in attracting those if

962
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:56,720
that's a if if you don't have it, you're

963
00:37:56,720 --> 00:37:59,839
just out sort of a thing. Um so I'm not

964
00:37:59,839 --> 00:38:01,680
necessarily advocating for change. I did

965
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:04,320
have a concern on that. Um, under

966
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:06,160
license and certificate, the first

967
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:09,599
bullet, Mike agreed that we can modify

968
00:38:09,599 --> 00:38:11,760
that sentence to just say possession of

969
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,079
a valid California driver's license.

970
00:38:14,079 --> 00:38:16,720
Period. The rest of that went on to talk

971
00:38:16,720 --> 00:38:18,800
about categories necessary to perform

972
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:20,400
additional duties. And he said there

973
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:21,839
really are no other licensing

974
00:38:21,839 --> 00:38:23,920
requirements for driving police cars or

975
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:26,480
anything. And we don't typically require

976
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:28,400
the person to have their own personal

977
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:30,480
automobile insurance. I didn't think so.

978
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:32,880
That didn't seem necessary. If you get

979
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:35,119
down under um knowledge of the first

980
00:38:35,119 --> 00:38:37,280
bullet under knowledge of the last

981
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:39,040
portion of that first bullet should be

982
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:41,680
struck. Um this just got left in from a

983
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:44,000
job description you know like happens

984
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,240
sometimes. So we would stop after animal

985
00:38:46,240 --> 00:38:48,160
control and delete community services,

986
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:50,320
cultural arts, leisure time and

987
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:52,880
recreation administration. Although I

988
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:55,760
can't Mike

989
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:57,599
Okay, we'll leave community ser. Oh that

990
00:38:57,599 --> 00:38:58,960
makes sense because I'm always thinking

991
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:00,640
of community services being community

992
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:03,040
development. I'm sorry, Lori. We're I I

993
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:03,920
missed what you

994
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:06,240
>> We're under knowledge of on page three.

995
00:39:06,240 --> 00:39:07,040
First bullet,

996
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:07,760
>> right? Okay.

997
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:09,760
>> Last part of that first bullet. We'd

998
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:11,680
stop at community services and strike

999
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:13,920
cultural arts, leisure time, and

1000
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:17,119
recreation administration.

1001
00:39:17,119 --> 00:39:17,760
>> Okay.

1002
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:20,560
>> Um

1003
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:22,160
>> those were really the main ones. I

1004
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:23,359
think, you know, I had some other

1005
00:39:23,359 --> 00:39:25,760
questions. I'm, you know, again, I don't

1006
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:28,079
understand totally the role of a police

1007
00:39:28,079 --> 00:39:30,079
chief. So, I'm I'm glad you were here

1008
00:39:30,079 --> 00:39:32,480
and I could ask those questions with

1009
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:34,960
that. There's a couple little typos, so

1010
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:36,800
maybe staff just wants to look it over

1011
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:39,440
for those.

1012
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:40,800
>> That was why I wanted to pull it, just

1013
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:45,589
to get those cleaned up.

1014
00:39:45,599 --> 00:39:48,320
So

1015
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:51,920
the uh for your degree it's an

1016
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:53,680
equivalent to graduation from a college

1017
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:55,839
or university. It does not state that

1018
00:39:55,839 --> 00:39:57,839
they're required to have a bachelor's

1019
00:39:57,839 --> 00:39:58,400
degree.

1020
00:39:58,400 --> 00:39:59,520
>> It says

1021
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:03,280
>> position of a bachelor's degree from an

1022
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:05,200
accredited college university with major

1023
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:07,359
work in public

1024
00:40:07,359 --> 00:40:08,800
business administration, criminal

1025
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:11,599
justice or related field is required.

1026
00:40:11,599 --> 00:40:12,400
Are

1027
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:14,000
>> you looking at the revised ones we got

1028
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:14,960
yesterday?

1029
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:16,240
>> I'm not. I'm looking at the one that was

1030
00:40:16,240 --> 00:40:17,040
in my initial agenda.

1031
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:18,560
>> They were emailed to us and they're in

1032
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:21,280
the fat packet on your bias.

1033
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:24,160
>> Gotcha. Okay.

1034
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:25,920
>> Yeah, that there were major changes from

1035
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:27,839
the first ones to the second set that we

1036
00:40:27,839 --> 00:40:29,920
got yesterday

1037
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:35,349
across the board.

1038
00:40:35,359 --> 00:40:36,960
So, with that, I'm fine with it. I don't

1039
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:39,119
have any other additional questions.

1040
00:40:39,119 --> 00:40:40,880
Like I said, Mike answered my technical

1041
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:46,230
questions.

1042
00:40:46,240 --> 00:40:47,359
» Mr. Mayor.

1043
00:40:47,359 --> 00:40:48,000
>> Yes.

1044
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:49,920
>> Yeah. I would I would agree with Council

1045
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:52,880
Member Bride's comments. I mean, uh I I

1046
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:56,960
read the duty statement as as as one of

1047
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:58,640
those that have written a lot of duty

1048
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:03,119
statements. It it can be tedious. It's uh you know you've got to go

1049
00:41:03,119 --> 00:41:04,640
through it a few times because it's easy

1050
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:07,359
to miss to miss little you know minor

1051
00:41:07,359 --> 00:41:09,520
little issues here and there and they

1052
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:10,960
are a living document anyway. They can

1053
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:13,440
be amended at at any time and these will

1054
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:15,920
most likely be amended down the road and

1055
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:17,599
not specifically the police chief but

1056
00:41:17,599 --> 00:41:21,200
when the police chief uh is hired uh I

1057
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:24,480
thoroughly expect to see amendments on some of the other duty statements

1058
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:26,319
within the operational structure anyway.

1059
00:41:26,319 --> 00:41:28,480
But with that said yeah these are minor

1060
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:32,000
changes. I I agree with with Lor's under

1061
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:34,480
the education and desirable you know

1062
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:38,000
that the patent language desirable uh

1063
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,160
you know bachelor's degree is desirable

1064
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:42,160
or or experience and training equivalent

1065
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:45,200
and that sort of thing. I you know I

1066
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:49,599
think that's a that's a very uh minor fix. I agree with that and with

1067
00:41:49,599 --> 00:41:51,520
keeping the rest of the language in

1068
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:53,760
place reference to the driver's license.

1069
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:55,599
Sure. Obviously law enforcement officer

1070
00:41:55,599 --> 00:41:58,079
has to have valid driver's license.

1071
00:41:58,079 --> 00:42:01,119
that's fine uh uh amending the rest of

1072
00:42:01,119 --> 00:42:03,839
that language, but uh they also have to

1073
00:42:03,839 --> 00:42:05,920
maintain a driver's license, but that

1074
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:07,280
necessarily does not have to be in the

1075
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:08,800
duty statement, but although it wouldn't

1076
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:11,520
hurt, uh the maintenance of valid

1077
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:14,480
driver's license uh and the uh and I

1078
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:16,720
agree with striking under the uh the

1079
00:42:16,720 --> 00:42:18,960
first bullet under the knowledge,

1080
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:21,359
ability, skills, the cultural arts,

1081
00:42:21,359 --> 00:42:23,440
leisure, and so on and so forth. I those

1082
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:24,560
are minor those are minor amendments.

1083
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:26,240
So, I would I would agree with with all

1084
00:42:26,240 --> 00:42:28,560
those amendments, but uh having looking

1085
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:30,560
at I know we there were some amendments

1086
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:32,960
on these duty statements, which is why

1087
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:34,800
we're going to be reviewing them at a

1088
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:36,960
later time.

1089
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:38,560
Uh

1090
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:40,960
as as presented, this uh the current

1091
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:43,280
police chief duty statement looks uh

1092
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:44,720
with the exception of a couple of, you

1093
00:42:44,720 --> 00:42:46,720
know, minor changes and also that one

1094
00:42:46,720 --> 00:42:49,040
Marty bomb page one, that one misspelled

1095
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:49,280
word,

1096
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:50,000
>> implementation.

1097
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:51,280
Yeah, I've never heard

1098
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:52,160
this

1099
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:53,760
>> implantation. I don't know what that

1100
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:55,920
means, but anyway. Anyway, but other

1101
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:58,800
than that, I I think it's a it's a it's

1102
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:00,079
good document. I think it looks good.

1103
00:43:00,079 --> 00:43:02,480
So, thank you. Good job. Good job, Mike

1104
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:04,160
and Michael.

1105
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:05,839
>> Good job.

1106
00:43:05,839 --> 00:43:07,359
>> Thank you very much for your work on

1107
00:43:07,359 --> 00:43:09,359
that. So, that's all I had. I would

1108
00:43:09,359 --> 00:43:11,599
agree with Council Member Pride's uh uh

1109
00:43:11,599 --> 00:43:13,520
minor amendments.

1110
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:15,280
>> I I would also just say the other part

1111
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:18,240
of this action item or or for discussion

1112
00:43:18,240 --> 00:43:20,720
is the salary range. And I have to say

1113
00:43:20,720 --> 00:43:22,319
when I looked at the proposed salary

1114
00:43:22,319 --> 00:43:25,359
range for the um police chief, I did to

1115
00:43:25,359 --> 00:43:28,400
me it seemed a little bit low um I we

1116
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:31,680
didn't have the um the study. Um we we

1117
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:33,200
got that after asking a couple

1118
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:36,319
questions. Um I don't know, Mike, can

1119
00:43:36,319 --> 00:43:39,839
you maybe address the salary um the

1120
00:43:39,839 --> 00:43:42,079
salary range for the police chief just

1121
00:43:42,079 --> 00:43:45,040
for the benefit of the folks here? Um,

1122
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:46,800
you know, we're looking at a a step one

1123
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:48,640
at 111638

1124
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:54,069
with a top step of 136,020.

1125
00:43:54,079 --> 00:43:56,880
Yeah. Um, so

1126
00:43:56,880 --> 00:44:00,160
it it's always hard to set a uh a salary

1127
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:02,079
for a position like this, especially

1128
00:44:02,079 --> 00:44:05,920
when you um look at chief executive

1129
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:08,560
positions in the region and in

1130
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:10,880
particular in this very county where the

1131
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:13,599
sheriff, a chief executive, uh is making

1132
00:44:13,599 --> 00:44:16,240
almost $200,000 in salary. That's before

1133
00:44:16,240 --> 00:44:19,760
his benefit package. And and so

1134
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:22,400
that presents a challenge for us in in

1135
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:24,400
setting what the rate's going to be.

1136
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:28,480
Um and then the the other thing is uh

1137
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:30,240
the size of the department and

1138
00:44:30,240 --> 00:44:34,160
comparison to uh to similar agencies. So

1139
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:39,040
as I uh kind of honed in on this figure,

1140
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:42,640
it was based on two things. One is um

1141
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:44,640
the consultant a year and a half ago

1142
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:46,319
that did the study for the city of

1143
00:44:46,319 --> 00:44:50,400
Willows, he looked at two, four, six, he

1144
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:52,720
looked at eight different communities

1145
00:44:52,720 --> 00:44:57,680
and um and then he did some whisbang

1146
00:44:57,680 --> 00:44:59,839
math and came up with a recommendation

1147
00:44:59,839 --> 00:45:04,240
that actually would have put the uh

1148
00:45:04,240 --> 00:45:07,200
the annual cost for a chief going with

1149
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:09,040
his recommendation two years ago at

1150
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:11,920
about 150,000.

1151
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:13,440
your candidates are going to love the

1152
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:16,160
heck out of that. Uh, however, I think

1153
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:19,280
that uh we have a collective obligation

1154
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:22,480
to be reasonable based on um the

1155
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:24,079
community and based on what's average.

1156
00:45:24,079 --> 00:45:27,520
So, I took a closer look at uh Hirka PD,

1157
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:31,920
Kousa PD, Orland, and Corning PDs. Um, I

1158
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:35,839
kind of averaged out the salaries of uh

1159
00:45:35,839 --> 00:45:39,280
their chief positions and then looked at

1160
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:41,280
what I proposed willows to be in the

1161
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:44,000
higher just above average of those

1162
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:47,680
positions. It puts us right in the top

1163
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:50,960
half of that that pack and keeps us com

1164
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:54,880
um competitive and comparable with uh

1165
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:58,079
departments of similar size.

1166
00:45:58,079 --> 00:45:59,680
I guess I was surprised to see that

1167
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:02,880
Orland's at 12 their top Orland was at

1168
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:06,319
126 174 as a top step. I I was surprised

1169
00:46:06,319 --> 00:46:07,920
that was as low as it was.

1170
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:11,200
>> Actually, um Orland just this week, just

1171
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:13,680
within the last week before I submitted

1172
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:15,920
this, uh the police chief and the fire

1173
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:18,640
chief just got raises in Orland. So, I

1174
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:21,440
think he's about $5,000 higher a year.

1175
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:24,560
Okay. Yeah.

1176
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:28,630
>> Maybe six.

1177
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:29,520
Thank you.

1178
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:31,040
>> Since I have you at the dis, can I ask

1179
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:32,000
you another question?

1180
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:32,560
>> Sure.

1181
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:34,800
>> The education, the possession of a

1182
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:36,480
bachelor's degree from an accredited

1183
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:37,839
college or university, why did you

1184
00:46:37,839 --> 00:46:39,760
initially put that in there?

1185
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:41,680
>> What are your what are your thoughts on

1186
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:43,040
keeping that in there or taking that

1187
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:43,680
out?

1188
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:48,560
>> I um am always an advocate for education

1189
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:52,079
and I'm very aware of uh the first

1190
00:46:52,079 --> 00:46:54,079
argument against an education. With

1191
00:46:54,079 --> 00:46:55,760
respect to Council Member Pride, I heard

1192
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:58,079
it when I talked to her earlier. I don't

1193
00:46:58,079 --> 00:46:59,839
have a degree and I can do the job

1194
00:46:59,839 --> 00:47:03,680
really well. I I don't deny that. Um,

1195
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:08,160
but what I my position has been and my

1196
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:10,960
experience has been that a degree does

1197
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:14,079
things for people beyond experience. It

1198
00:47:14,079 --> 00:47:20,560
teaches um um uh strategic planning. It

1199
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:23,920
teaches uh oh what was the term I used

1200
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:24,319
to you

1201
00:47:24,319 --> 00:47:25,520
>> critical thinking critical thinking

1202
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:27,359
>> oh critical thinking it teaches critical

1203
00:47:27,359 --> 00:47:30,000
thinking it teaches uh critical

1204
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:32,960
communication it teaches strategic uh

1205
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:35,359
thinking and strategic planning and

1206
00:47:35,359 --> 00:47:37,280
those are things that unless you've

1207
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:40,319
really had some formal educational

1208
00:47:40,319 --> 00:47:42,240
background in that those don't always

1209
00:47:42,240 --> 00:47:44,640
come naturally with significant

1210
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:47,119
experience that that people gain the

1211
00:47:47,119 --> 00:47:49,520
other thing I think is that you know

1212
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:53,040
Over the last hund and how many years

1213
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:55,599
with the evolution of policing, policing

1214
00:47:55,599 --> 00:47:59,200
has struggled to portray itself as a

1215
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:00,720
professionalism. And part of the way

1216
00:48:00,720 --> 00:48:03,280
that we portray ourselves as

1217
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:07,280
professionals in policing is by

1218
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:09,599
establishing foundational requirements

1219
00:48:09,599 --> 00:48:12,960
that are more similar with professional

1220
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:15,440
environments. And education, formalized

1221
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:18,240
education is typically a part of that.

1222
00:48:18,240 --> 00:48:21,440
Um, I'm always going to advocate for a

1223
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:23,200
higher level of education. I don't think

1224
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:26,160
a master's degree uh is reasonable, but

1225
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:28,800
if this was a much larger department,

1226
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:31,359
uh, like Bay Area agencies that we see,

1227
00:48:31,359 --> 00:48:33,680
I' I'd be advocating for a mandated

1228
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:36,000
master's degree as well, and you'd see

1229
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:38,240
candidates coming out. The question that

1230
00:48:38,240 --> 00:48:41,520
Lori asked is, are we going to um are we

1231
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:43,119
going to are we going to cut off our

1232
00:48:43,119 --> 00:48:45,520
nose by missing certain candidates?

1233
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:48,000
Yeah, we might. But I'm going to suggest

1234
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:50,720
that some of those candidates, unless

1235
00:48:50,720 --> 00:48:53,599
they're super duper outstanding,

1236
00:48:53,599 --> 00:48:55,119
are going to be people that we just

1237
00:48:55,119 --> 00:48:57,280
don't want if they're not up to that

1238
00:48:57,280 --> 00:49:01,119
high level. They can be good, solid

1239
00:49:01,119 --> 00:49:03,920
police officers, good solid senior

1240
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:06,160
patrol sergeant on weekend graveyard,

1241
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:07,920
maybe in a little bit bigger department,

1242
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:10,240
good solid lieutenant watch commander,

1243
00:49:10,240 --> 00:49:12,960
but without an education. at some point,

1244
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:15,839
my experiences and my observation is at

1245
00:49:15,839 --> 00:49:17,920
some point they hit a ceiling

1246
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:20,160
>> and and so for that reason I always

1247
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:21,920
advocate for the degree.

1248
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:25,280
>> One more quick question for you is as a

1249
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:26,800
person goes through the law enforcement

1250
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:29,599
academy do they not receive a an AA

1251
00:49:29,599 --> 00:49:31,440
degree as part of that?

1252
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:35,040
>> They do not it's really up to each

1253
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:38,079
individual community college. Um, BU

1254
00:49:38,079 --> 00:49:41,280
College has a program where uh and and

1255
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:43,680
they're unique in this regard. It was it

1256
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:45,760
was started by the then dean of students

1257
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:48,319
who was a former uh chief of police at

1258
00:49:48,319 --> 00:49:50,559
several California agencies and he

1259
00:49:50,559 --> 00:49:52,640
started a program in the c in the

1260
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:56,160
criminal justice department where with

1261
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:58,880
just the police academy and a few

1262
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:01,040
general ed classes you can get an

1263
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:03,359
associate degree. And the associate

1264
00:50:03,359 --> 00:50:06,000
degree is called police academy. That's

1265
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:07,200
what it's called.

1266
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:08,160
>> So essentially

1267
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:09,920
>> that's unique to

1268
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:12,240
>> be to our area. I understand that. But

1269
00:50:12,240 --> 00:50:14,160
there's colleges out there offering an

1270
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:16,640
AA degree or what would be hiring as our

1271
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:19,119
lowest sworn officer position which is

1272
00:50:19,119 --> 00:50:20,880
halfway to getting your bachelor's. So

1273
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:22,160
requesting a bachelor's for a police

1274
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:23,760
chief is not out of the question out of

1275
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:25,599
the realm is what? Oh, not only is it

1276
00:50:25,599 --> 00:50:27,200
not out of the realm, but there are

1277
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:30,559
agencies in California now that uh they

1278
00:50:30,559 --> 00:50:34,480
require a minimum of uh there's a few

1279
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:36,960
that require a minimum of 15 units one

1280
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:39,359
year. Um but there's a lot of agencies

1281
00:50:39,359 --> 00:50:43,280
out there um that require a minimum of

1282
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:45,839
two years of college. State parks and

1283
00:50:45,839 --> 00:50:47,839
recreation, the peace officer component

1284
00:50:47,839 --> 00:50:49,599
of state parks and recreation where

1285
00:50:49,599 --> 00:50:51,440
you're a sworn ranger, they have to have

1286
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:53,920
two years of college. fishing game, you

1287
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:56,160
have to have two years of college.

1288
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:58,319
>> Um, a lot of Bay Area agencies, you have

1289
00:50:58,319 --> 00:50:59,760
to have two years of college just to

1290
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:01,760
come into an entry level position.

1291
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:02,960
>> Perfect. Thank you.

1292
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:05,760
>> Can I do a a staff follow-up question?

1293
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:07,920
So, with our HR process, and this is

1294
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:09,440
what Mike and I talked about this a

1295
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:11,119
little bit. So, we go out and we recruit

1296
00:51:11,119 --> 00:51:13,040
for a police chief and we have a good an

1297
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:15,280
applicant pool. Say there is that

1298
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:17,920
candidate out there that is outstanding

1299
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:20,480
and always always we'll just use that

1300
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:22,400
for sake of argument but they don't have

1301
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:25,359
that degree. Do we have the opportunity

1302
00:51:25,359 --> 00:51:29,680
in our HR policy personnel rules to be

1303
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:32,400
able to wave that or are we just locked

1304
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:34,400
in if we say this is a requirement? Is

1305
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:36,400
it a hard and fast requirement and we

1306
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:39,839
don't have any room to do anything but

1307
00:51:39,839 --> 00:51:41,280
change the job description and

1308
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:42,960
readvertise?

1309
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:45,200
typically change the job description.

1310
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:47,760
Now, we we actually had a situation like

1311
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:52,000
that already um for a position that was

1312
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:53,839
a department head and had a minimum

1313
00:51:53,839 --> 00:51:56,480
requirement of associates degree. One of

1314
00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:59,839
the candidates did not have that and um

1315
00:51:59,839 --> 00:52:03,200
they struck from the

1316
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:05,599
So, so if someone applied and they don't

1317
00:52:05,599 --> 00:52:07,280
meet the minimum requirements, they

1318
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:08,800
wouldn't even make it to an interview.

1319
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:10,559
They would just be out. They shouldn't

1320
00:52:10,559 --> 00:52:11,760
make it. If they don't meet minimum

1321
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:13,839
requirements, they should go no further.

1322
00:52:13,839 --> 00:52:15,680
So, ideally, someone looking at our

1323
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:17,440
recruitment notice would see they have

1324
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:19,040
to have this bachelors and if they don't

1325
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:20,559
have it, they wouldn't even apply.

1326
00:52:20,559 --> 00:52:23,040
>> Typically, that is what happens. Okay.

1327
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:24,240
>> Thank you.

1328
00:52:24,240 --> 00:52:25,440
>> Yeah, Mr. Mayor.

1329
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:25,839
>> Yes.

1330
00:52:25,839 --> 00:52:27,839
>> Yeah, I agree with everything that Mike

1331
00:52:27,839 --> 00:52:30,079
just said. Yeah. When I I didn't make

1332
00:52:30,079 --> 00:52:32,720
myself very clear when I said I agreed

1333
00:52:32,720 --> 00:52:35,359
with, you know, the the verbiage change

1334
00:52:35,359 --> 00:52:36,800
in the possession of a bachelor's

1335
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:40,480
degree. I mean, yeah, that is basically

1336
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:42,079
the industry industry standard, a

1337
00:52:42,079 --> 00:52:44,160
bachelor's degree for a executive level

1338
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:47,760
position in the state of California. But

1339
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:49,680
my my comment, I'm all about education

1340
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:52,480
and training. Understand? I I have a

1341
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:56,559
college degree. Okay. Uh and uh uh

1342
00:52:56,559 --> 00:53:01,280
anyway, I was just when I said that, I I didn't mean strike all education. I

1343
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:02,640
just want to make that clear. The strike

1344
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:04,720
all education, the training and

1345
00:53:04,720 --> 00:53:08,240
education equivalent. as basically to a

1346
00:53:08,240 --> 00:53:10,640
bachelor's degree at a bare minimum in

1347
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:12,480
my mind would mean at a minimum a

1348
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:15,200
minimum an AA degree a minimum and and

1349
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:18,240
training and education above that. So uh

1350
00:53:18,240 --> 00:53:19,599
I wouldn't have a problem with language

1351
00:53:19,599 --> 00:53:21,359
like that. I I've seen that one of our

1352
00:53:21,359 --> 00:53:25,200
other uh samples uh with the with the

1353
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:27,200
police chief uh duty statement had that

1354
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:29,520
same similar language. That's what I'm

1355
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:31,200
trying to say. I'm making myself clear

1356
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:34,079
about about what I'm saying. Uh I don't

1357
00:53:34,079 --> 00:53:35,200
have a problem with with

1358
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:37,200
>> you're saying equivalent to a bachelor's

1359
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:37,839
degree.

1360
00:53:37,839 --> 00:53:39,520
>> Training in education equivalent to a

1361
00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:41,440
bachelor's degree with base with a base

1362
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:44,559
minimum of an AA base minimum of an AA

1363
00:53:44,559 --> 00:53:47,119
but other training in an equivalent is

1364
00:53:47,119 --> 00:53:48,480
however a bachelor's degree is

1365
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:50,000
desirable. That's what I'm saying.

1366
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:51,280
If that makes

1367
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:53,119
sense. I'm not going to hang my hat on

1368
00:53:53,119 --> 00:53:56,000
that. I mean if if if my colleagues want

1369
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:57,760
to want to go with a bachelor's degree

1370
00:53:57,760 --> 00:53:59,200
that's fine. I don't have a problem with

1371
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:02,079
that. I think that's good. But I just,

1372
00:54:02,079 --> 00:54:03,920
you know, we're we're going to be

1373
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:06,000
recruiting. Be talking about that uh

1374
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:08,880
here in a few minutes hopefully about uh

1375
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:11,920
hiring a police chief. But this is going

1376
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:14,000
to be a very unique position, extremely

1377
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:16,480
unique. We need the right person. So

1378
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:18,000
anyway, just wanted to throw that out

1379
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:20,880
there. There uh and you're right, Mike.

1380
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:23,680
uh state agencies. I I I ultimately

1381
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:25,200
retired from a state agency and led that

1382
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:28,880
state agency and the entry level was uh

1383
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:31,040
bachelor's degree for entry level for

1384
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:35,280
many state agencies now at least an AA degree. So you are

1385
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:37,760
correct. So like I say I'm not I'm not

1386
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:39,440
going to going to throw my toys and have

1387
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:42,800
a tantrum if if if the language minimum

1388
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:44,720
bachelor's degree stays. I just don't,

1389
00:54:44,720 --> 00:54:46,880
you know, don't want to miss the right

1390
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:48,880
candidate if they have an AA degree and

1391
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:50,640
a lot of a lot of training experience

1392
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:52,079
but maybe not a bachelor's.

1393
00:54:52,079 --> 00:54:54,000
>> If if I can add one thing that may help

1394
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:55,040
bring just a little bit of

1395
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:56,960
clarification, um the other

1396
00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:58,800
requirements, if you scroll down on that

1397
00:54:58,800 --> 00:54:59,680
page,

1398
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:01,680
>> uh for postcertification,

1399
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:04,079
um I'm recommending that they have their

1400
00:55:04,079 --> 00:55:06,800
post-basic, intermediate, advanced,

1401
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:08,480
supervisory, and management

1402
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:10,000
certificates.

1403
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:12,720
All of those certificates represent

1404
00:55:12,720 --> 00:55:15,760
years of experience and training with

1405
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:17,599
post calls training points. Right?

1406
00:55:17,599 --> 00:55:19,760
>> So in order to reach that level of

1407
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:21,680
qualification,

1408
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:25,359
>> you are already demonstrating a level a

1409
00:55:25,359 --> 00:55:26,880
very high level of training

1410
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:28,240
>> if you have a management certificate.

1411
00:55:28,240 --> 00:55:30,400
Yes. Like we do. Yes, that's right.

1412
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:31,839
Matter of fact, you and I have executive

1413
00:55:31,839 --> 00:55:32,559
certificates,

1414
00:55:32,559 --> 00:55:33,119
>> right?

1415
00:55:33,119 --> 00:55:35,839
>> And Right. Yeah. Absolutely. So that's

1416
00:55:35,839 --> 00:55:37,599
what I meant by the Thank you for

1417
00:55:37,599 --> 00:55:38,960
bringing that that up. That's what I

1418
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:41,520
meant by equivalent to. I just want to

1419
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:43,839
make that clear. So I, you know, I I

1420
00:55:43,839 --> 00:55:45,839
agree with everything you're saying. So

1421
00:55:45,839 --> 00:55:48,000
I I know we may be going down the weeds

1422
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:50,319
a little bit too much here, but anyway,

1423
00:55:50,319 --> 00:55:51,839
there you go. Thank you, Mike.

1424
00:55:51,839 --> 00:55:52,160
>> Awesome.

1425
00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:52,880
>> That's all I had. Mr.

1426
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:54,240
>> Vice Mayor Thomas, any questions?

1427
00:55:54,240 --> 00:55:55,920
>> No. Okay.

1428
00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:57,359
>> Council member Low, any questions?

1429
00:55:57,359 --> 00:55:58,960
>> Real quick, Mr. Maloney, thank you for

1430
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:01,119
the job classification. Uh, it's very

1431
00:56:01,119 --> 00:56:05,040
thorough. One question on what is the

1432
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:07,200
average years of experience on a police

1433
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:09,599
chief making a lateral move into a city

1434
00:56:09,599 --> 00:56:12,079
like Willows.

1435
00:56:12,079 --> 00:56:14,319
>> You know, a position like for a

1436
00:56:14,319 --> 00:56:18,799
community this size is

1437
00:56:18,799 --> 00:56:21,359
we're we're probably looking at a 15

1438
00:56:21,359 --> 00:56:27,200
plus year uh veteran. Um,

1439
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:29,280
I'm I'm going to say to get to meet the

1440
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:31,599
minimum qualifications, you know, you're

1441
00:56:31,599 --> 00:56:34,160
going to you're going to take uh you're

1442
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:35,839
going to take six years to get your

1443
00:56:35,839 --> 00:56:37,760
advanced certificate. If you have an

1444
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:40,640
education behind you and then if you get

1445
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:43,040
promoted to a supervisory position,

1446
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:44,799
that's another two years to get that

1447
00:56:44,799 --> 00:56:47,119
certificate. And then you get promoted

1448
00:56:47,119 --> 00:56:49,200
to a management position. And we didn't

1449
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:51,359
distinguish intentionally in here what

1450
00:56:51,359 --> 00:56:54,240
kind of management position. Some places

1451
00:56:54,240 --> 00:56:56,160
call them lieutenants. Some places call

1452
00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:58,400
them commanders. Some places call them

1453
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:00,799
captains or deputy chiefs. It doesn't

1454
00:57:00,799 --> 00:57:02,400
matter what you call it. If you have two

1455
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:06,400
years experience doing that job, um uh

1456
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:08,079
you're qualified for the management

1457
00:57:08,079 --> 00:57:10,960
certificate. So to get all of that is

1458
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:13,680
probably going to take you about 15 15

1459
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:14,640
years. Okay.

1460
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:16,799
>> Now, in the context of your former

1461
00:57:16,799 --> 00:57:20,240
conversation uh regarding hers and PPA,

1462
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:21,680
uh that's going to be a mid-career

1463
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:23,359
person.

1464
00:57:23,359 --> 00:57:25,440
Yes, and that's what matters. When you

1465
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:26,559
look at this, when I looked at the

1466
00:57:26,559 --> 00:57:28,880
salary schedule, I thought that it was a

1467
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:31,599
little low initially, uh, compared to

1468
00:57:31,599 --> 00:57:33,359
the study that was provided, I think

1469
00:57:33,359 --> 00:57:36,160
January 25, but you got to put that into

1470
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:38,079
perspective because the hire in this

1471
00:57:38,079 --> 00:57:39,839
situation is probably going to be a

1472
00:57:39,839 --> 00:57:41,839
classic coming down under the classic

1473
00:57:41,839 --> 00:57:42,640
pension.

1474
00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:44,640
>> And and and that's the other thing we're

1475
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:46,400
starting to see now, we're starting to

1476
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:49,920
see uh PEPA retirees uh coming of age,

1477
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:54,799
believe it or not. um or or um people

1478
00:57:54,799 --> 00:57:57,440
who were in the classic plan, they

1479
00:57:57,440 --> 00:57:59,680
separated for a period of time and then

1480
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:02,640
they reinstated under PEPA. And once

1481
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:07,599
they reinstate under PEPA, they're they're tied to the PEPAR rules.

1482
00:58:07,599 --> 00:58:10,079
Okay. I think um mayor I think you'll

1483
00:58:10,079 --> 00:58:13,440
see in in uh when we look in 7A at the

1484
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:16,559
total compensation package for the chief

1485
00:58:16,559 --> 00:58:19,359
um you'll see that it this base salary

1486
00:58:19,359 --> 00:58:24,079
will be lies in the upper range of this thing here. So it's something

1487
00:58:24,079 --> 00:58:25,520
we'll have to consider.

1488
00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:27,520
>> Oh, I'm sorry if I may say one last

1489
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:28,319
thing.

1490
00:58:28,319 --> 00:58:31,119
>> Uh in in speaking with uh the city

1491
00:58:31,119 --> 00:58:35,359
manager, um we we just tried to identify

1492
00:58:35,359 --> 00:58:37,599
we didn't really set the low range. um

1493
00:58:37,599 --> 00:58:40,559
we tried to identify what what a what a

1494
00:58:40,559 --> 00:58:42,880
really solid recommended top range would

1495
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:46,240
be and then the the scale backwards was

1496
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:49,359
kind of established um consistent with

1497
00:58:49,359 --> 00:58:52,240
how all other positions in the city are.

1498
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:55,839
Uh and as the appointing authority, it's

1499
00:58:55,839 --> 00:58:57,760
my understanding that the city manager

1500
00:58:57,760 --> 00:59:01,599
has the authority to set uh where uh

1501
00:59:01,599 --> 00:59:04,000
they feel is appropriate based on on the

1502
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:06,880
position. really just up to that max

1503
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:09,280
though. So it may not necessarily mean

1504
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:12,319
that somebody starts at 111,000 as the

1505
00:59:12,319 --> 00:59:15,760
chief. If that was the case, you're not

1506
00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:17,599
going to be finding anybody that

1507
00:59:17,599 --> 00:59:19,520
otherwise meets the requirements of the

1508
00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:22,000
job.

1509
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:24,480
>> Thank you. Thank you. With that, we'll

1510
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:27,280
go to any public comment.

1511
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:34,710
>> Michelle Light.

1512
00:59:34,720 --> 00:59:37,280
Well, I would recommend um first of all

1513
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:41,920
that um that you would uh go with the

1514
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:44,160
what Mr. Hansen had stated and that

1515
00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:45,599
would be a minimum of an associates

1516
00:59:45,599 --> 00:59:47,839
degree with a combination of education

1517
00:59:47,839 --> 00:59:50,720
and experience. I think otherwise you

1518
00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:53,440
will be shortsighted in who might apply.

1519
00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:55,040
Of course, you could go with someone who

1520
00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:58,480
has a bachelor's degree. Um, but um,

1521
00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:00,400
experienced

1522
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:02,799
uh, individuals can bring a lot to the

1523
01:00:02,799 --> 01:00:06,799
table as far as a police chief. And, um,

1524
01:00:06,799 --> 01:00:10,000
there's ways to write that that um, were

1525
01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:12,319
already mentioned earlier.

1526
01:00:12,319 --> 01:00:15,920
Anyhow, um, what I wrote earlier while

1527
01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:17,359
we are addressing the police chief's

1528
01:00:17,359 --> 01:00:19,839
position, but I had kind of combined it.

1529
01:00:19,839 --> 01:00:22,480
So, um, for the three positions, so just

1530
01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:24,319
bear with me on how I wrote it because

1531
01:00:24,319 --> 01:00:26,400
it's just written for the three. While

1532
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:28,000
the salaries associated with the

1533
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:29,760
proposed job classifications appear to

1534
01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:31,520
be generally consistent with those

1535
01:00:31,520 --> 01:00:34,079
offered in comparable cities, I remain

1536
01:00:34,079 --> 01:00:35,920
concerned about whether the city will be

1537
01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:37,920
sufficiently competitive in attracting

1538
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:39,839
and retaining qualified law enforcement

1539
01:00:39,839 --> 01:00:42,000
personnel. This is particularly

1540
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:43,839
important when recruiting well-trained

1541
01:00:43,839 --> 01:00:46,160
lateral officers whose experience and

1542
01:00:46,160 --> 01:00:48,079
institutional knowledge are especially

1543
01:00:48,079 --> 01:00:49,760
valuable to a newly established

1544
01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:52,319
department. I do not see information

1545
01:00:52,319 --> 01:00:53,839
addressing the benefits or other

1546
01:00:53,839 --> 01:00:56,480
incentives offered. When one considers

1547
01:00:56,480 --> 01:00:58,079
neighboring cities and county law

1548
01:00:58,079 --> 01:01:00,720
enforcement agencies, these may include

1549
01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:03,359
postcertification of pay differentials,

1550
01:01:03,359 --> 01:01:06,240
longevity pay for experienced officers,

1551
01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:08,559
and recognition of prior governmental

1552
01:01:08,559 --> 01:01:11,839
services service for uh propo uh

1553
01:01:11,839 --> 01:01:14,880
purposes of vacational vacation acral

1554
01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:17,359
and other benefits. I don't know if all

1555
01:01:17,359 --> 01:01:20,240
of you understand what I'm saying there,

1556
01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:23,040
but I know for instance that uh Glen

1557
01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:25,440
County officers

1558
01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:27,599
um receive [sighs]

1559
01:01:27,599 --> 01:01:30,640
um their management, so like the chief

1560
01:01:30,640 --> 01:01:32,880
would come in and years of service for

1561
01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:36,720
other areas. They um upper management

1562
01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:38,799
would receive the years of service going

1563
01:01:38,799 --> 01:01:41,040
toward their vacation acrals. So, if

1564
01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:43,839
you're recruiting for a chief of police,

1565
01:01:43,839 --> 01:01:45,359
they're going to want to know, are they

1566
01:01:45,359 --> 01:01:47,599
going to get those years of service put

1567
01:01:47,599 --> 01:01:49,920
toward the number of vacation hours and

1568
01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:52,240
acrruels. So, none of that was addressed

1569
01:01:52,240 --> 01:01:54,000
in this package. So, here you're going

1570
01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:56,799
to send this information further in in

1571
01:01:56,799 --> 01:01:58,640
item number seven that we're going to

1572
01:01:58,640 --> 01:02:01,040
talk about soon. Um, and I know we're

1573
01:02:01,040 --> 01:02:02,319
not talking about that now, but you have

1574
01:02:02,319 --> 01:02:03,920
a job classification that you're

1575
01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:06,640
establishing and none of these benefits

1576
01:02:06,640 --> 01:02:09,760
are being discussed in this job flyer.

1577
01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:11,599
These components are an important part

1578
01:02:11,599 --> 01:02:13,599
of an employes's overall compensation

1579
01:02:13,599 --> 01:02:16,000
package and can significantly influence

1580
01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:19,359
a candidate's decision when evaluating

1581
01:02:19,359 --> 01:02:21,440
competing employment opportunities. I

1582
01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:23,280
believe these issues should be discussed

1583
01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:25,280
today to ensure that the city is

1584
01:02:25,280 --> 01:02:27,040
position

1585
01:02:27,040 --> 01:02:29,119
to offer a truly competitive hiring

1586
01:02:29,119 --> 01:02:30,799
package and to attract the most

1587
01:02:30,799 --> 01:02:33,359
qualified candidates possible for the

1588
01:02:33,359 --> 01:02:35,599
new department. Now, I realize that you

1589
01:02:35,599 --> 01:02:38,960
guys postpone the other four, but you

1590
01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:41,920
may wish to bring those back up quickly

1591
01:02:41,920 --> 01:02:44,799
just to talk and give direction that

1592
01:02:44,799 --> 01:02:46,480
when they do come back up to you so that

1593
01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:48,799
you don't waste your time that that this

1594
01:02:48,799 --> 01:02:50,720
information's also discussed at that

1595
01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:52,480
time for those other classifications as

1596
01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:54,319
well because they need to be discussed

1597
01:02:54,319 --> 01:02:56,720
openly just like this police chief one

1598
01:02:56,720 --> 01:02:58,720
needs to be discussed openly tonight so

1599
01:02:58,720 --> 01:03:00,799
that those compensation package can be

1600
01:03:00,799 --> 01:03:04,240
discussed and go before the public.

1601
01:03:04,240 --> 01:03:05,920
Thank you.

1602
01:03:05,920 --> 01:03:07,680
>> Thank you.

1603
01:03:07,680 --> 01:03:09,359
Any further fellow comment? Okay, with

1604
01:03:09,359 --> 01:03:10,240
that, uh

1605
01:03:10,240 --> 01:03:12,160
>> Oh, there's somebody in the audience.

1606
01:03:12,160 --> 01:03:15,520
>> Oh, yeah. Go ahead.

1607
01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:16,960
Comment. Please take your name for the

1608
01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:21,109
record.

1609
01:03:21,119 --> 01:03:24,640
» Rick Batty, Will's resident. Um I

1610
01:03:24,640 --> 01:03:25,920
scribbled. I have a bunch of notes at

1611
01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:27,440
home. I forgot, so bear with me a little

1612
01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:29,839
bit. Um but I would recommend I listen

1613
01:03:29,839 --> 01:03:31,680
to Mr. Maloney's comments about the

1614
01:03:31,680 --> 01:03:33,599
education. you're looking at a person

1615
01:03:33,599 --> 01:03:35,520
that's running a complete department,

1616
01:03:35,520 --> 01:03:37,920
not line staff, um I would recommend

1617
01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:39,760
that you stick with the the bachelor's

1618
01:03:39,760 --> 01:03:41,839
degree. You will just raise the bar and

1619
01:03:41,839 --> 01:03:45,680
get a better candidate that for all the reasons that he stated that's

1620
01:03:45,680 --> 01:03:48,400
going to be dealing with your partners

1621
01:03:48,400 --> 01:03:50,079
um throughout the throughout the county

1622
01:03:50,079 --> 01:03:54,319
and whatnot. um they can be the the best

1623
01:03:54,319 --> 01:03:56,319
most advanced police officer that we

1624
01:03:56,319 --> 01:03:58,960
have in this community. Um but they

1625
01:03:58,960 --> 01:04:00,480
might not have the education that kind

1626
01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:03,280
of has um like I do. I don't speak very

1627
01:04:03,280 --> 01:04:07,359
well in public. So um I think it kind of

1628
01:04:07,359 --> 01:04:09,039
brings up that bar a little bit. So, I

1629
01:04:09,039 --> 01:04:10,880
would recommend the the bachelor's

1630
01:04:10,880 --> 01:04:13,119
degree and if not the very least like I

1631
01:04:13,119 --> 01:04:14,799
look back at the look at every other

1632
01:04:14,799 --> 01:04:18,000
department head in this county, city, um

1633
01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:22,000
anywhere from um welfare department to

1634
01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:23,760
the HR department to the personnel

1635
01:04:23,760 --> 01:04:25,200
department to whatever department they

1636
01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:26,640
all have bachelor's degrees. So, why not

1637
01:04:26,640 --> 01:04:28,160
have our police department to that same

1638
01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:30,319
standard? Also, if you look at the

1639
01:04:30,319 --> 01:04:32,720
school system, I've seen some language

1640
01:04:32,720 --> 01:04:36,799
where if they are uh I guess promoted to

1641
01:04:36,799 --> 01:04:38,880
a principal or vice principal, they have

1642
01:04:38,880 --> 01:04:40,240
a year or two to get their

1643
01:04:40,240 --> 01:04:42,160
administrative degrees. So, maybe that's

1644
01:04:42,160 --> 01:04:44,160
some type of language. I agree with Mr.

1645
01:04:44,160 --> 01:04:46,640
Hansen that an a degree with

1646
01:04:46,640 --> 01:04:49,359
intermediate advanced supervisor

1647
01:04:49,359 --> 01:04:50,720
management. I mean, you're going to get

1648
01:04:50,720 --> 01:04:52,240
college credits every time you go to

1649
01:04:52,240 --> 01:04:54,640
class. You probably have over 2,000

1650
01:04:54,640 --> 01:04:56,640
hours of training in your career at

1651
01:04:56,640 --> 01:04:58,799
least. Um, and you're getting college

1652
01:04:58,799 --> 01:05:00,160
credit every time you go to some of

1653
01:05:00,160 --> 01:05:02,079
those classes. So, I mean, it's

1654
01:05:02,079 --> 01:05:03,839
sometimes it's it's just filling out a

1655
01:05:03,839 --> 01:05:05,200
piece of paper for an officer and they

1656
01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:06,640
can have an AA degree just by all the

1657
01:05:06,640 --> 01:05:09,920
trainings that they go to. Um,

1658
01:05:09,920 --> 01:05:11,520
>> the driver's license, I think it's a

1659
01:05:11,520 --> 01:05:13,599
great idea to actually have and maintain

1660
01:05:13,599 --> 01:05:16,240
a driver's license. Um, we have a hard

1661
01:05:16,240 --> 01:05:18,480
time, I think, running people's driver's

1662
01:05:18,480 --> 01:05:20,480
licenses after they're hired and they

1663
01:05:20,480 --> 01:05:22,799
get suspended a year, two years, five

1664
01:05:22,799 --> 01:05:25,039
years, and you have uh officers on

1665
01:05:25,039 --> 01:05:26,640
suspended licenses driving around police

1666
01:05:26,640 --> 01:05:29,599
cars. Um, so I think it's it's important

1667
01:05:29,599 --> 01:05:31,680
that you do checks more than just when

1668
01:05:31,680 --> 01:05:33,599
you hire them, but like every so often

1669
01:05:33,599 --> 01:05:35,920
that they maintain driver's license. It

1670
01:05:35,920 --> 01:05:37,839
happens all the time. When I read in the

1671
01:05:37,839 --> 01:05:39,039
job flyer, and I don't know too much

1672
01:05:39,039 --> 01:05:40,640
about the government code, I did a deep

1673
01:05:40,640 --> 01:05:43,359
dive really quick, but the it says that

1674
01:05:43,359 --> 01:05:45,760
the government code

1675
01:05:45,760 --> 01:05:47,520
doesn't matter, five-digit number, is

1676
01:05:47,520 --> 01:05:49,920
that the police officer

1677
01:05:49,920 --> 01:05:51,680
the city manager. City manager deals

1678
01:05:51,680 --> 01:05:53,920
with the hiring, recruiting, the firing,

1679
01:05:53,920 --> 01:05:55,839
the discipline, due process, and

1680
01:05:55,839 --> 01:05:58,799
everything else. Um, I also read in

1681
01:05:58,799 --> 01:06:00,400
other government code that the police

1682
01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:02,880
chief answers to the city as a board.

1683
01:06:02,880 --> 01:06:04,799
And so I've seen both where the city

1684
01:06:04,799 --> 01:06:06,720
manager has all that power, but I also

1685
01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:08,640
seen it also where the city manager

1686
01:06:08,640 --> 01:06:10,960
writes recommendations, but it's you

1687
01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:12,880
folks that make that decision. So I

1688
01:06:12,880 --> 01:06:14,400
don't know government code-wise where

1689
01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:16,480
you stand, but the flyer says that it

1690
01:06:16,480 --> 01:06:18,079
answers to the city manager.

1691
01:06:18,079 --> 01:06:19,440
>> So that's just a question I don't have

1692
01:06:19,440 --> 01:06:20,880
an answer for, but I'm throwing that out

1693
01:06:20,880 --> 01:06:21,599
there.

1694
01:06:21,599 --> 01:06:23,520
>> And the salary wise, really quick,

1695
01:06:23,520 --> 01:06:25,839
Orland Police Department 126,000 saw the

1696
01:06:25,839 --> 01:06:27,920
same thing raise in the last couple

1697
01:06:27,920 --> 01:06:30,880
weeks. That's great. Um, but a brand new

1698
01:06:30,880 --> 01:06:32,960
police chief and Willows probably should

1699
01:06:32,960 --> 01:06:34,559
make more than Orland police chief. He

1700
01:06:34,559 --> 01:06:36,319
has 10, 15 years of experience. He's

1701
01:06:36,319 --> 01:06:38,160
doing a great job. Unless you want to

1702
01:06:38,160 --> 01:06:40,240
steal him. That'd be great. And he'll

1703
01:06:40,240 --> 01:06:41,520
come down here and make more money. But

1704
01:06:41,520 --> 01:06:43,520
um, anyway, those are my thoughts. Um,

1705
01:06:43,520 --> 01:06:44,559
appreciate you guys.

1706
01:06:44,559 --> 01:06:45,839
>> Thanks, Rick.

1707
01:06:45,839 --> 01:06:47,599
>> Thank you.

1708
01:06:47,599 --> 01:06:49,440
>> Okay, with that council comments, Vice

1709
01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:50,880
Mayor Thomas,

1710
01:06:50,880 --> 01:06:53,440
>> none. Okay. Council member Pride,

1711
01:06:53,440 --> 01:06:54,720
>> no additional.

1712
01:06:54,720 --> 01:06:57,039
>> Okay. Council member Low,

1713
01:06:57,039 --> 01:07:00,000
>> no comments. Okay. Council Hansen.

1714
01:07:00,000 --> 01:07:02,559
>> Yeah, I I I'm not opposed to requiring a

1715
01:07:02,559 --> 01:07:04,319
bachelor's degree

1716
01:07:04,319 --> 01:07:06,319
>> either. I just uh I think it was a good

1717
01:07:06,319 --> 01:07:10,789
discussion. Thank you.

1718
01:07:10,799 --> 01:07:14,069
Um

1719
01:07:14,079 --> 01:07:17,599
yeah, I do have a couple. Um one, I do

1720
01:07:17,599 --> 01:07:19,280
agree that a valid driver's licenses

1721
01:07:19,280 --> 01:07:20,720
should be required to drive a police

1722
01:07:20,720 --> 01:07:25,119
car. Um I feel like that should just be

1723
01:07:25,119 --> 01:07:26,319
I can't believe that even had to be

1724
01:07:26,319 --> 01:07:27,680
something that's stated. So obviously

1725
01:07:27,680 --> 01:07:29,680
there are some other things that are

1726
01:07:29,680 --> 01:07:31,520
missing if that you have to go back that

1727
01:07:31,520 --> 01:07:34,480
basic for it to be stated. Um

1728
01:07:34,480 --> 01:07:35,920
>> I said there

1729
01:07:35,920 --> 01:07:38,319
>> yeah I do like the idea of requiring the

1730
01:07:38,319 --> 01:07:41,280
bachelor's degree. Um my only caveat to

1731
01:07:41,280 --> 01:07:45,039
that would be is if that person is in

1732
01:07:45,039 --> 01:07:46,559
the process of receiving their

1733
01:07:46,559 --> 01:07:49,920
bachelor's degree possibly allow them a

1734
01:07:49,920 --> 01:07:51,599
two-year grace period to finish that

1735
01:07:51,599 --> 01:07:53,280
education. Granted, if they're getting

1736
01:07:53,280 --> 01:07:54,640
hired on here, that's going to be a

1737
01:07:54,640 --> 01:07:56,799
pretty tall order to rebuild the police

1738
01:07:56,799 --> 01:07:58,720
department and go to school. So, I think

1739
01:07:58,720 --> 01:08:02,319
requiring it right off the bat is um I

1740
01:08:02,319 --> 01:08:04,640
think this is the best route to go at

1741
01:08:04,640 --> 01:08:09,990
first. Um

1742
01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:12,480
as far as a supervision and direction

1743
01:08:12,480 --> 01:08:17,040
from the city manager, um

1744
01:08:17,040 --> 01:08:20,000
I didn't think about what you had said.

1745
01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:22,480
So, I'm still mulling over the idea of

1746
01:08:22,480 --> 01:08:23,679
whether that would be direction from

1747
01:08:23,679 --> 01:08:27,920
city manager or city council. Um,

1748
01:08:27,920 --> 01:08:29,520
>> I do have a comment about that.

1749
01:08:29,520 --> 01:08:30,000
>> Go ahead.

1750
01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:33,040
>> If the council wanted to move towards a

1751
01:08:33,040 --> 01:08:35,839
police chief reporting directly to a

1752
01:08:35,839 --> 01:08:37,359
council, you're now moving towards a

1753
01:08:37,359 --> 01:08:39,040
city administrator form of government

1754
01:08:39,040 --> 01:08:42,000
where you hire as a council department.

1755
01:08:42,000 --> 01:08:44,000
I am not familiar with a structure where

1756
01:08:44,000 --> 01:08:46,239
you have city manager council form of

1757
01:08:46,239 --> 01:08:49,279
government and your police chief is off

1758
01:08:49,279 --> 01:08:51,040
on the side reporting to the council

1759
01:08:51,040 --> 01:08:54,239
which is all the so I think council

1760
01:08:54,239 --> 01:08:55,679
would be having a larger discussion

1761
01:08:55,679 --> 01:08:57,120
about whether you want to move which is

1762
01:08:57,120 --> 01:08:59,279
what Orville is example

1763
01:08:59,279 --> 01:09:02,080
>> is a city administrator versus a city

1764
01:09:02,080 --> 01:09:05,679
manager where council hires and appoints

1765
01:09:05,679 --> 01:09:08,239
department heads very different

1766
01:09:08,239 --> 01:09:11,359
structure I wouldn't recommend it but

1767
01:09:11,359 --> 01:09:12,960
you I know if that's if that's a broader

1768
01:09:12,960 --> 01:09:14,400
conversation the council wants to have.

1769
01:09:14,400 --> 01:09:14,960
Certainly

1770
01:09:14,960 --> 01:09:16,319
>> it's a different conversation to have.

1771
01:09:16,319 --> 01:09:17,440
>> Totally. Okay. Yeah.

1772
01:09:17,440 --> 01:09:19,279
>> Yeah. Mr. Mayor, Mr. Mayor,

1773
01:09:19,279 --> 01:09:22,400
>> I just was s just saying that that I

1774
01:09:22,400 --> 01:09:23,600
never thought about that. So that was

1775
01:09:23,600 --> 01:09:27,359
just definitely mulling that over. Um

1776
01:09:27,359 --> 01:09:30,239
yeah, with that, um obviously like Lori

1777
01:09:30,239 --> 01:09:31,600
said, there are a couple little minor

1778
01:09:31,600 --> 01:09:35,279
details that need to be ironed out, but

1779
01:09:35,279 --> 01:09:37,120
Mr. Hansen, if you have more

1780
01:09:37,120 --> 01:09:39,040
>> Yeah. Oh, thank you, Mr. Mayor. Yeah,

1781
01:09:39,040 --> 01:09:41,199
just I completely agree with what city

1782
01:09:41,199 --> 01:09:43,279
manager Marty Brown just said and city

1783
01:09:43,279 --> 01:09:45,199
manager city manager city council form

1784
01:09:45,199 --> 01:09:47,440
of government every municipality in the

1785
01:09:47,440 --> 01:09:50,319
state of California that I'm aware of uh

1786
01:09:50,319 --> 01:09:53,040
the city manager is in charge of of all

1787
01:09:53,040 --> 01:09:55,679
department heads and I you know charter

1788
01:09:55,679 --> 01:09:59,040
cities are different uh uh we read about

1789
01:09:59,040 --> 01:10:01,760
all the time charter cities uh the mayor

1790
01:10:01,760 --> 01:10:03,520
and the and the council hire and fire

1791
01:10:03,520 --> 01:10:05,199
the police chief. I mean, look at

1792
01:10:05,199 --> 01:10:08,400
Oakland. Happens all the time. But, uh,

1793
01:10:08,400 --> 01:10:10,560
anyway, no, you know, the council city

1794
01:10:10,560 --> 01:10:13,120
or the city manager, city council, uh,

1795
01:10:13,120 --> 01:10:14,560
city council, city manager, I'm sorry,

1796
01:10:14,560 --> 01:10:17,679
form of government, uh, the the police

1797
01:10:17,679 --> 01:10:19,760
chief would report to the city manager

1798
01:10:19,760 --> 01:10:21,760
just like the fire chief does, just like

1799
01:10:21,760 --> 01:10:23,199
the community development services

1800
01:10:23,199 --> 01:10:25,120
director does and every other department

1801
01:10:25,120 --> 01:10:27,600
head. I and I I think you're opening a

1802
01:10:27,600 --> 01:10:29,360
very dangerous can of worms if you start

1803
01:10:29,360 --> 01:10:32,080
to go down that that aisle. They're just

1804
01:10:32,080 --> 01:10:35,120
my thoughts, Evan. Thank you. Okay, I

1805
01:10:35,120 --> 01:10:37,199
appreciate that. Um, my other concern is

1806
01:10:37,199 --> 01:10:40,960
I I am also concerned about uh the

1807
01:10:40,960 --> 01:10:44,719
salary schedule which I trying to find.

1808
01:10:44,719 --> 01:10:46,719
Now I got jumbled up because there'sund

1809
01:10:46,719 --> 01:10:53,669
and some odd pages up here. Um,

1810
01:10:53,679 --> 01:10:55,360
my concern is is we're hiring somebody

1811
01:10:55,360 --> 01:10:57,440
to come in and completely rebuild our

1812
01:10:57,440 --> 01:11:00,480
police department. And right now our

1813
01:11:00,480 --> 01:11:01,840
salary schedule is putting them

1814
01:11:01,840 --> 01:11:03,280
competitive with surrounding

1815
01:11:03,280 --> 01:11:04,800
jurisdictions

1816
01:11:04,800 --> 01:11:07,199
um not too far off where they don't have

1817
01:11:07,199 --> 01:11:09,920
to do the extra leg work. They're not

1818
01:11:09,920 --> 01:11:13,280
building from the ground up. So

1819
01:11:13,280 --> 01:11:17,280
my suggestion to the council is a

1820
01:11:17,280 --> 01:11:22,320
either move the salary schedule to start

1821
01:11:22,320 --> 01:11:24,480
the base at a lower at a higher level

1822
01:11:24,480 --> 01:11:27,440
and have step 9 be able to extend

1823
01:11:27,440 --> 01:11:29,920
higher. Um what that does is that allows

1824
01:11:29,920 --> 01:11:32,000
us to hire a police chief and keep him

1825
01:11:32,000 --> 01:11:33,840
in that contract for a longer period of

1826
01:11:33,840 --> 01:11:35,360
time before we have to come back to the

1827
01:11:35,360 --> 01:11:38,800
negotiation table. Um because as it was

1828
01:11:38,800 --> 01:11:40,159
stated, we might get somebody with a

1829
01:11:40,159 --> 01:11:43,440
master's degree and you know is

1830
01:11:43,440 --> 01:11:46,239
bilingual and hits all these different

1831
01:11:46,239 --> 01:11:48,000
checkboxes that we may need in our

1832
01:11:48,000 --> 01:11:50,400
community and the only way we're going

1833
01:11:50,400 --> 01:11:51,679
to get that person is going straight to

1834
01:11:51,679 --> 01:11:54,159
step nine off year one. Well, then we're

1835
01:11:54,159 --> 01:11:56,480
back here again in another year redoing

1836
01:11:56,480 --> 01:11:57,840
this while he's still in the middle of

1837
01:11:57,840 --> 01:12:00,400
trying to build the police department.

1838
01:12:00,400 --> 01:12:05,199
So, um my thought is to either have that

1839
01:12:05,199 --> 01:12:07,120
um well, my main thought is to have that

1840
01:12:07,120 --> 01:12:11,199
the steps adjusted to increase the step

1841
01:12:11,199 --> 01:12:13,360
>> where step three or four would be step

1842
01:12:13,360 --> 01:12:14,640
one.

1843
01:12:14,640 --> 01:12:16,320
thing I do want to just remind the

1844
01:12:16,320 --> 01:12:18,960
council of that you did approve last

1845
01:12:18,960 --> 01:12:20,640
year

1846
01:12:20,640 --> 01:12:24,080
um is that when an when a department

1847
01:12:24,080 --> 01:12:27,120
head reaches the top step that they get

1848
01:12:27,120 --> 01:12:29,520
a CPI increase each year after that

1849
01:12:29,520 --> 01:12:31,679
that's between two and a half and%.

1850
01:12:31,679 --> 01:12:33,600
which that'll be actually coming to the

1851
01:12:33,600 --> 01:12:36,080
council as an executive mid-management

1852
01:12:36,080 --> 01:12:38,960
handbook I believe at the September 8th

1853
01:12:38,960 --> 01:12:40,719
meeting and it's going to be codified

1854
01:12:40,719 --> 01:12:42,000
because that actually was direction in

1855
01:12:42,000 --> 01:12:43,360
close session and I want to make sure

1856
01:12:43,360 --> 01:12:45,840
that it is codified somewhere and we

1857
01:12:45,840 --> 01:12:47,440
haven't done that yet. So I just wanted

1858
01:12:47,440 --> 01:12:49,920
to remind you that you did council did

1859
01:12:49,920 --> 01:12:51,920
approve that and so it's not like if

1860
01:12:51,920 --> 01:12:53,520
somebody was hired at the top step they

1861
01:12:53,520 --> 01:12:54,960
just stay there forever or something

1862
01:12:54,960 --> 01:12:58,320
like that until council approves a new

1863
01:12:58,320 --> 01:13:01,040
salary.

1864
01:13:01,040 --> 01:13:04,400
I retract my previous statement.

1865
01:13:04,400 --> 01:13:11,270
>> Um, with that pledge of the council,

1866
01:13:11,280 --> 01:13:12,880
» we have to find the agenda that has the

1867
01:13:12,880 --> 01:13:13,920
item on it.

1868
01:13:13,920 --> 01:13:15,679
>> Also, did you did you make a final

1869
01:13:15,679 --> 01:13:17,360
decision on the bachelor's degree? I was

1870
01:13:17,360 --> 01:13:19,840
I'm a little bit confused on that. I

1871
01:13:19,840 --> 01:13:21,280
think we got clear direction on the

1872
01:13:21,280 --> 01:13:22,480
other smaller changes, but

1873
01:13:22,480 --> 01:13:24,640
>> I think I'll make a motion to be made

1874
01:13:24,640 --> 01:13:26,880
>> incorporated into a motion. I would move

1875
01:13:26,880 --> 01:13:29,600
that we um approve the police officer

1876
01:13:29,600 --> 01:13:33,199
job classification and salary schedule

1877
01:13:33,199 --> 01:13:35,440
um retaining the requirement for the

1878
01:13:35,440 --> 01:13:38,880
bachelor's degree

1879
01:13:38,880 --> 01:13:41,040
at least at this point in time.

1880
01:13:41,040 --> 01:13:42,880
>> Mr. Mayor, I second the motion to

1881
01:13:42,880 --> 01:13:44,719
approve the chief of police duty

1882
01:13:44,719 --> 01:13:46,480
statement and salary schedule as

1883
01:13:46,480 --> 01:13:48,560
presented.

1884
01:13:48,560 --> 01:13:50,400
Um, I [clears throat] would like to

1885
01:13:50,400 --> 01:13:53,360
offer the amendment of adjusting the

1886
01:13:53,360 --> 01:13:55,679
first bullet point removing the cultural

1887
01:13:55,679 --> 01:13:56,800
arts

1888
01:13:56,800 --> 01:13:58,480
>> uh, leisure time and recreation

1889
01:13:58,480 --> 01:13:59,120
administration.

1890
01:13:59,120 --> 01:14:00,159
>> Yeah.

1891
01:14:00,159 --> 01:14:02,080
>> Well, with a couple changes with the

1892
01:14:02,080 --> 01:14:04,000
changes as discussed, which would be

1893
01:14:04,000 --> 01:14:06,880
that and the driver's license, we're

1894
01:14:06,880 --> 01:14:08,400
going to keep in the maintaining the

1895
01:14:08,400 --> 01:14:10,080
license, but having one and maintaining

1896
01:14:10,080 --> 01:14:11,679
it, but there was some other language in

1897
01:14:11,679 --> 01:14:14,159
that bullet point that could come out. I

1898
01:14:14,159 --> 01:14:16,320
would accept that friendly amendment.

1899
01:14:16,320 --> 01:14:17,600
>> I agree with that. That includes

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01:14:17,600 --> 01:14:20,239
striking that cultural arts plan. Yeah,

1901
01:14:20,239 --> 01:14:21,360
I

1902
01:14:21,360 --> 01:14:22,320
>> I second the

1903
01:14:22,320 --> 01:14:23,920
>> I would love our police chief to teach a

1904
01:14:23,920 --> 01:14:25,360
cooking class, but

1905
01:14:25,360 --> 01:14:26,880
>> he's got a bigger fish to fry at this

1906
01:14:26,880 --> 01:14:29,040
point.

1907
01:14:29,040 --> 01:14:30,400
>> I have a first and a second. Any further

1908
01:14:30,400 --> 01:14:32,159
discussion?

1909
01:14:32,159 --> 01:14:34,880
Okay. Uh all in favor signify by saying

1910
01:14:34,880 --> 01:14:35,679
I.

1911
01:14:35,679 --> 01:14:36,560
>> I.

1912
01:14:36,560 --> 01:14:39,120
>> All oppose. Same sign. Motion pass five

1913
01:14:39,120 --> 01:14:40,640
to zero.

1914
01:14:40,640 --> 01:14:42,480
>> M Mr. Mayor, would it be possible to

1915
01:14:42,480 --> 01:14:44,000
take a fivem minute break? Yeah, let's

1916
01:14:44,000 --> 01:14:45,679
take a five minute recess so I can reset

1917
01:14:45,679 --> 01:14:47,440
my paperwork and think people can

1918
01:14:47,440 --> 01:14:55,750
stretch their legs.

1919
01:14:55,760 --> 01:14:58,239
All right. See, we will call this

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01:14:58,239 --> 01:15:01,120
meeting back to Are you ready? Sorry.

1921
01:15:01,120 --> 01:15:02,560
Okay. We will call this meeting back to

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01:15:02,560 --> 01:15:05,520
order at 7:25.

1923
01:15:05,520 --> 01:15:07,360
With that, we will move moving on to

1924
01:15:07,360 --> 01:15:10,000
discussion and action calendar items,

1925
01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:12,239
which first item is 7A, police chief

1926
01:15:12,239 --> 01:15:13,920
recruitment and appointment. Recommended

1927
01:15:13,920 --> 01:15:16,560
action authorizes city manager to engage

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01:15:16,560 --> 01:15:19,040
a recruitment firm in an amount not to

1929
01:15:19,040 --> 01:15:22,239
exceed $30,000 to conduct recruitment

1930
01:15:22,239 --> 01:15:24,480
for a city of Willows police chief and

1931
01:15:24,480 --> 01:15:26,320
authorized budget authority to appoint

1932
01:15:26,320 --> 01:15:28,560
and hire the police chief at an annual

1933
01:15:28,560 --> 01:15:31,360
local comp total compensation amount not

1934
01:15:31,360 --> 01:15:34,719
to exceed $215,000.

1935
01:15:34,719 --> 01:15:36,000
Marty Brown, you have anything to add to

1936
01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:36,800
this?

1937
01:15:36,800 --> 01:15:38,480
>> Um, just that I wanted to let the

1938
01:15:38,480 --> 01:15:40,880
council know that the the assumptions in

1939
01:15:40,880 --> 01:15:44,239
the total compensation are that the

1940
01:15:44,239 --> 01:15:46,400
police chief would be hired at the top

1941
01:15:46,400 --> 01:15:48,239
step, which you just approved a minute

1942
01:15:48,239 --> 01:15:51,120
ago, that the chief would probably be a

1943
01:15:51,120 --> 01:15:54,400
classic employee, helpers employee,

1944
01:15:54,400 --> 01:15:56,800
which of course also is more money. um

1945
01:15:56,800 --> 01:15:58,719
health insurance and social security are

1946
01:15:58,719 --> 01:16:01,440
included that in that um total

1947
01:16:01,440 --> 01:16:03,920
compensation and we usually assume at

1948
01:16:03,920 --> 01:16:06,960
least one dependent when we you know

1949
01:16:06,960 --> 01:16:08,960
roll up these costs into a total

1950
01:16:08,960 --> 01:16:12,719
compensation so there's um not you know

1951
01:16:12,719 --> 01:16:14,320
trying to limit any surprises right

1952
01:16:14,320 --> 01:16:15,920
that's why I'm asking for that amount of

1953
01:16:15,920 --> 01:16:17,760
money maybe the person doesn't get hired

1954
01:16:17,760 --> 01:16:19,520
at the top step maybe they're they're

1955
01:16:19,520 --> 01:16:21,679
only themselves that they have to insure

1956
01:16:21,679 --> 01:16:23,520
maybe it'll be lower that would be great

1957
01:16:23,520 --> 01:16:26,320
but we're you know shooting for a higher

1958
01:16:26,320 --> 01:16:28,159
number to get and a not to exceed amount

1959
01:16:28,159 --> 01:16:30,400
that um I don't have to come back to the

1960
01:16:30,400 --> 01:16:31,840
council and have another discussion

1961
01:16:31,840 --> 01:16:34,080
about oh things have changed. So those

1962
01:16:34,080 --> 01:16:35,440
are the assumptions that are built into

1963
01:16:35,440 --> 01:16:38,480
that number. Um and I wanted I do want

1964
01:16:38,480 --> 01:16:41,760
to mention that um the total

1965
01:16:41,760 --> 01:16:43,679
compensation number that came from the

1966
01:16:43,679 --> 01:16:45,520
finance director was a little over

1967
01:16:45,520 --> 01:16:47,280
211,000

1968
01:16:47,280 --> 01:16:49,840
and so I did round up to 215. Just

1969
01:16:49,840 --> 01:16:51,280
wanted to acknowledge that. And the last

1970
01:16:51,280 --> 01:16:53,120
thing I wanted to mention is the council

1971
01:16:53,120 --> 01:16:55,600
did give me direction at the August 11th

1972
01:16:55,600 --> 01:16:57,760
special meeting to move forward with

1973
01:16:57,760 --> 01:17:00,800
looking at um a recruitment firm. I have

1974
01:17:00,800 --> 01:17:02,719
only had conversations at this point to

1975
01:17:02,719 --> 01:17:04,320
come up with that dollar amount. I have

1976
01:17:04,320 --> 01:17:06,239
not gotten for formal proposals. It's

1977
01:17:06,239 --> 01:17:08,239
just a little too fast from that meeting

1978
01:17:08,239 --> 01:17:10,880
to this meeting. So the 30,000 is based

1979
01:17:10,880 --> 01:17:13,920
on just having um initial conversations

1980
01:17:13,920 --> 01:17:17,600
with recruitment firms that um seem to

1981
01:17:17,600 --> 01:17:20,719
be hovering around 30,000. the boutique

1982
01:17:20,719 --> 01:17:23,280
firm that specializes in police chief

1983
01:17:23,280 --> 01:17:26,480
recruitments that I was thinking of um

1984
01:17:26,480 --> 01:17:27,920
actually gave me a dollar amount of

1985
01:17:27,920 --> 01:17:29,920
42,500.

1986
01:17:29,920 --> 01:17:32,640
And so I went with thinking that it

1987
01:17:32,640 --> 01:17:34,400
would be more like the 30,000 based on

1988
01:17:34,400 --> 01:17:36,239
two other recruitment conversations that

1989
01:17:36,239 --> 01:17:37,920
I had and trying to bring that number

1990
01:17:37,920 --> 01:17:41,189
down.

1991
01:17:41,199 --> 01:17:43,440
So that I mean that pretty much

1992
01:17:43,440 --> 01:17:45,120
concludes my presentation. So the total

1993
01:17:45,120 --> 01:17:47,760
budget uh impact of course with both

1994
01:17:47,760 --> 01:17:50,480
combined is the 245,000

1995
01:17:50,480 --> 01:17:52,080
that's in the fiscal impact for the

1996
01:17:52,080 --> 01:17:54,480
entire year. But of course the 30,000 is

1997
01:17:54,480 --> 01:17:56,320
a onetime expense. It's not an ongoing

1998
01:17:56,320 --> 01:17:59,910
expense.

1999
01:17:59,920 --> 01:18:02,159
» Okay. Uh with that any questions from

2000
01:18:02,159 --> 01:18:05,280
the council? Vice Mayor Thomas?

2001
01:18:05,280 --> 01:18:07,760
>> Not at this time. Okay. Council member

2002
01:18:07,760 --> 01:18:08,320
Bride.

2003
01:18:08,320 --> 01:18:11,040
>> Um at least for now just thinking about

2004
01:18:11,040 --> 01:18:12,800
one of the public comments. Are there

2005
01:18:12,800 --> 01:18:15,600
any other um at this management level

2006
01:18:15,600 --> 01:18:17,360
any other stipens or anything for

2007
01:18:17,360 --> 01:18:19,600
bilingual or anything else that we offer

2008
01:18:19,600 --> 01:18:22,640
to some of our other employment groups

2009
01:18:22,640 --> 01:18:23,360
for this?

2010
01:18:23,360 --> 01:18:26,320
>> We do have a bilingual stipen of $250 a

2011
01:18:26,320 --> 01:18:29,120
month. Um the city also has longevity

2012
01:18:29,120 --> 01:18:33,360
pay. Um, and I believe that the

2013
01:18:33,360 --> 01:18:38,480
longevity pay is $100 a month at 10

2014
01:18:38,480 --> 01:18:40,000
years

2015
01:18:40,000 --> 01:18:43,040
and I think it's 200 at 20. I'd have to

2016
01:18:43,040 --> 01:18:45,600
get that number before and get back to

2017
01:18:45,600 --> 01:18:47,199
you if you want me to get those numbers.

2018
01:18:47,199 --> 01:18:49,199
Um, those are two off the top of my head

2019
01:18:49,199 --> 01:18:52,000
that would be, you know, that would

2020
01:18:52,000 --> 01:18:53,920
possibly impact the hire of a police

2021
01:18:53,920 --> 01:18:55,840
chief. I mean, other things that we have

2022
01:18:55,840 --> 01:18:57,600
are, you know, for certifications in the

2023
01:18:57,600 --> 01:19:00,080
fire department or a boot stipen or some

2024
01:19:00,080 --> 01:19:01,760
of those things that wouldn't happen.

2025
01:19:01,760 --> 01:19:03,520
But I mean, I want to keep in I want the

2026
01:19:03,520 --> 01:19:05,360
council to keep in mind that there's a

2027
01:19:05,360 --> 01:19:08,560
number of um other um kinds of

2028
01:19:08,560 --> 01:19:10,239
compensation like you're talking about

2029
01:19:10,239 --> 01:19:11,600
and benefits that were brought up

2030
01:19:11,600 --> 01:19:14,080
earlier that wouldn't typically be in a

2031
01:19:14,080 --> 01:19:15,920
job classification and salary schedule

2032
01:19:15,920 --> 01:19:17,600
for approval, nor would they be in this

2033
01:19:17,600 --> 01:19:19,600
staff report. that would come back as

2034
01:19:19,600 --> 01:19:21,520
because there will have to be additional

2035
01:19:21,520 --> 01:19:23,120
amendments because there's

2036
01:19:23,120 --> 01:19:25,520
certifications that police departments

2037
01:19:25,520 --> 01:19:27,280
and police officers are required that

2038
01:19:27,280 --> 01:19:28,800
aren't required for example in the fire

2039
01:19:28,800 --> 01:19:30,159
department. So there's going to have to

2040
01:19:30,159 --> 01:19:33,920
be a whole review and consideration of

2041
01:19:33,920 --> 01:19:36,560
more compensation package for police

2042
01:19:36,560 --> 01:19:37,920
department employees that are not

2043
01:19:37,920 --> 01:19:39,040
covered here tonight.

2044
01:19:39,040 --> 01:19:40,880
>> They'll have their ownus and things like

2045
01:19:40,880 --> 01:19:42,239
that that they'll have to establish

2046
01:19:42,239 --> 01:19:45,840
still. And and I would say um actually

2047
01:19:45,840 --> 01:19:47,679
council member Hansen reminded me that

2048
01:19:47,679 --> 01:19:51,199
at one point in the past police and fire

2049
01:19:51,199 --> 01:19:53,360
were in a single bargaining unit and

2050
01:19:53,360 --> 01:19:55,040
maybe they'll do that again. I think I

2051
01:19:55,040 --> 01:19:56,719
told you that today council member Pride

2052
01:19:56,719 --> 01:19:59,600
as well. My experience is usually police

2053
01:19:59,600 --> 01:20:01,440
is separate. I haven't ever seen a

2054
01:20:01,440 --> 01:20:02,719
police and fire department that wanted

2055
01:20:02,719 --> 01:20:04,239
to be together in their own bargaining

2056
01:20:04,239 --> 01:20:06,560
unit. But maybe they'll get here and it

2057
01:20:06,560 --> 01:20:08,080
it'll be their decision either way. It

2058
01:20:08,080 --> 01:20:10,080
won't be a management decision and maybe

2059
01:20:10,080 --> 01:20:11,360
they'll want to do that and be in a

2060
01:20:11,360 --> 01:20:13,199
single bargaining unit. I don't know.

2061
01:20:13,199 --> 01:20:14,400
>> I just thought it was important we

2062
01:20:14,400 --> 01:20:15,760
address that because of the other

2063
01:20:15,760 --> 01:20:17,040
questions, you know, sick leave,

2064
01:20:17,040 --> 01:20:19,040
vacation time, you know, all those

2065
01:20:19,040 --> 01:20:21,120
things are just part of our our basic

2066
01:20:21,120 --> 01:20:23,679
program that isn't just zeroed in here.

2067
01:20:23,679 --> 01:20:26,080
So, I just wanted to address that. Also,

2068
01:20:26,080 --> 01:20:28,080
I would just mention that sometimes um

2069
01:20:28,080 --> 01:20:30,719
you know that there is the ability for

2070
01:20:30,719 --> 01:20:33,360
the city manager to negotiate with an

2071
01:20:33,360 --> 01:20:34,719
incoming department head on certain

2072
01:20:34,719 --> 01:20:36,320
things. Like for example, I, you know,

2073
01:20:36,320 --> 01:20:38,960
I've seen other places where department

2074
01:20:38,960 --> 01:20:40,640
heads been somewhere for 20 years and

2075
01:20:40,640 --> 01:20:42,480
they have a jillion hours of sick leave

2076
01:20:42,480 --> 01:20:43,760
and so they're they don't want to lose

2077
01:20:43,760 --> 01:20:45,120
that because maybe they're not too far

2078
01:20:45,120 --> 01:20:47,199
from retirement and you could use your

2079
01:20:47,199 --> 01:20:49,679
sick leave to purchase more Kalpers

2080
01:20:49,679 --> 01:20:52,080
hours and years um in retirement and

2081
01:20:52,080 --> 01:20:55,520
they might negotiate um you know asking

2082
01:20:55,520 --> 01:20:59,280
for all of it or 50% of it be um you

2083
01:20:59,280 --> 01:21:01,760
know ported over from their past job and

2084
01:21:01,760 --> 01:21:03,679
that's those kinds of special benefits

2085
01:21:03,679 --> 01:21:05,520
would be negotiated ated during the

2086
01:21:05,520 --> 01:21:07,520
actual hiring process because that's a

2087
01:21:07,520 --> 01:21:09,840
different thing than the the codified

2088
01:21:09,840 --> 01:21:11,679
benefits package. So that that could

2089
01:21:11,679 --> 01:21:14,400
also be another aspect of hiring.

2090
01:21:14,400 --> 01:21:16,800
>> Okay. Any more questions?

2091
01:21:16,800 --> 01:21:17,840
>> Well, that's it for

2092
01:21:17,840 --> 01:21:20,880
>> Okay, Council Member Low, I'm sorry. I'm

2093
01:21:20,880 --> 01:21:22,400
still learning, figuring out getting

2094
01:21:22,400 --> 01:21:25,920
used to new person over there. So,

2095
01:21:25,920 --> 01:21:28,239
no comments, no questions. I I mean

2096
01:21:28,239 --> 01:21:34,400
comments and and that I think the amount the compensation amount uh is

2097
01:21:34,400 --> 01:21:39,679
fair and one of the things I learned is that Willows is one of few cities

2098
01:21:39,679 --> 01:21:41,280
that also pays social security to their

2099
01:21:41,280 --> 01:21:43,520
employees. Uh not all cities pay that in

2100
01:21:43,520 --> 01:21:45,920
their pension plan. So that's added on

2101
01:21:45,920 --> 01:21:48,239
top of that. I think it's very fair.

2102
01:21:48,239 --> 01:21:49,280
Council member Hansen.

2103
01:21:49,280 --> 01:21:50,880
>> Yeah. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I'm in favor

2104
01:21:50,880 --> 01:21:55,360
of this matter as presented. uh we we

2105
01:21:55,360 --> 01:21:57,440
must engage with with a recruitment

2106
01:21:57,440 --> 01:22:01,360
firm. This is a very unique uh uh

2107
01:22:01,360 --> 01:22:03,600
chief's position.

2108
01:22:03,600 --> 01:22:06,639
Uh we need to recruit a dynamic,

2109
01:22:06,639 --> 01:22:08,719
innovative, hardworking law enforcement

2110
01:22:08,719 --> 01:22:10,400
professional that'll fit our needs here.

2111
01:22:10,400 --> 01:22:14,480
So it may not necessarily be easy to

2112
01:22:14,480 --> 01:22:16,480
find that individual. So, I'm I'm in

2113
01:22:16,480 --> 01:22:19,199
complete favor of of uh utilizing a

2114
01:22:19,199 --> 01:22:20,800
recruitment firm to find that

2115
01:22:20,800 --> 01:22:22,400
individual.

2116
01:22:22,400 --> 01:22:25,520
And um also I'm I'm satisfied with the

2117
01:22:25,520 --> 01:22:29,199
uh with the uh maximum $245,000 to the

2118
01:22:29,199 --> 01:22:33,040
uh budget with all included. I'm I'm in

2119
01:22:33,040 --> 01:22:35,600
favor of the this item as presented. I

2120
01:22:35,600 --> 01:22:38,239
think it's something that we uh we must

2121
01:22:38,239 --> 01:22:40,639
do. We have to do this. It's all ahead,

2122
01:22:40,639 --> 01:22:41,920
mayor. Thank you.

2123
01:22:41,920 --> 01:22:43,360
>> Thank you.

2124
01:22:43,360 --> 01:22:45,280
>> Morning. You said that the niche firm

2125
01:22:45,280 --> 01:22:47,120
that you're looking at quoted as higher

2126
01:22:47,120 --> 01:22:48,480
than the 30,000 that we're trying to

2127
01:22:48,480 --> 01:22:49,280
approve tonight.

2128
01:22:49,280 --> 01:22:51,120
>> Yes. I was actually surprised. I didn't

2129
01:22:51,120 --> 01:22:53,679
realize how high I and that's this is

2130
01:22:53,679 --> 01:22:55,760
all they do is police chiefs all over

2131
01:22:55,760 --> 01:22:59,040
the country. So they're um basically

2132
01:22:59,040 --> 01:23:04,149
said that that would this size city

2133
01:23:04,159 --> 01:23:06,880
» which makes me think.

2134
01:23:06,880 --> 01:23:07,920
>> You have a question? Yeah. Go ahead.

2135
01:23:07,920 --> 01:23:08,639
That was my other question.

2136
01:23:08,639 --> 01:23:10,400
>> Well, it's it's kind of a comment and a

2137
01:23:10,400 --> 01:23:12,800
question. you know, there's always I

2138
01:23:12,800 --> 01:23:14,320
mean, we're going to use potentially a

2139
01:23:14,320 --> 01:23:16,239
professional recruiting firm, but we

2140
01:23:16,239 --> 01:23:18,560
also all know people who know people who

2141
01:23:18,560 --> 01:23:21,199
know people. Um, so I don't think that

2142
01:23:21,199 --> 01:23:24,239
precludes doing in-house recruitment as

2143
01:23:24,239 --> 01:23:25,760
well. I just think I need to make that

2144
01:23:25,760 --> 01:23:26,960
clear. I don't think, you know, we're

2145
01:23:26,960 --> 01:23:29,040
talking about hiring someone and then

2146
01:23:29,040 --> 01:23:30,800
not doing anything else. I think in

2147
01:23:30,800 --> 01:23:33,360
conversations with Mr. Maloney, he feels

2148
01:23:33,360 --> 01:23:35,360
very confident that there are people out

2149
01:23:35,360 --> 01:23:37,360
there that will be interested in this

2150
01:23:37,360 --> 01:23:39,920
position because I asked that question.

2151
01:23:39,920 --> 01:23:41,440
And so I think we're going to have the

2152
01:23:41,440 --> 01:23:43,199
local, you know, the people that we know

2153
01:23:43,199 --> 01:23:45,920
that, you know, just through whatever

2154
01:23:45,920 --> 01:23:50,560
and then this recruiter, which again, I struggle sometimes spending that kind

2155
01:23:50,560 --> 01:23:53,679
of money on a recruiter. Um, but then

2156
01:23:53,679 --> 01:23:55,120
I'm told by the people who know more

2157
01:23:55,120 --> 01:23:57,440
than I do that that's how you find the

2158
01:23:57,440 --> 01:23:59,440
best people. So, I'm a little bit

2159
01:23:59,440 --> 01:24:03,280
skeptical, honestly. Um,

2160
01:24:03,280 --> 01:24:04,880
but I just wanted to preface that we're

2161
01:24:04,880 --> 01:24:06,320
not just putting all our eggs in that

2162
01:24:06,320 --> 01:24:08,960
basket and not utilizing, you know, Mr.

2163
01:24:08,960 --> 01:24:10,719
Maloney's contacts are just the people

2164
01:24:10,719 --> 01:24:12,719
that I'm sure anybody in this room knows

2165
01:24:12,719 --> 01:24:14,320
people that might potentially be

2166
01:24:14,320 --> 01:24:17,910
interested.

2167
01:24:17,920 --> 01:24:20,239
» Okay. Or Vice Mayor Thomas, you have any

2168
01:24:20,239 --> 01:24:22,480
further any questions?

2169
01:24:22,480 --> 01:24:24,080
>> No, I think it's something we need to

2170
01:24:24,080 --> 01:24:27,280
do. Okay. So, I would support this this

2171
01:24:27,280 --> 01:24:30,639
item. Any public comment?

2172
01:24:30,639 --> 01:24:36,310
>> Michelle Knight.

2173
01:24:36,320 --> 01:24:37,920
First, I'd like to express my full

2174
01:24:37,920 --> 01:24:39,440
support for beginning the recruitment

2175
01:24:39,440 --> 01:24:41,600
process for a police chief and for

2176
01:24:41,600 --> 01:24:43,040
ultimately appointing a qualified

2177
01:24:43,040 --> 01:24:45,120
candidate. However, I believe it is

2178
01:24:45,120 --> 01:24:46,960
important that the city publicly

2179
01:24:46,960 --> 01:24:50,000
establish in advance the compensation

2180
01:24:50,000 --> 01:24:52,239
benefits and other terms of employment

2181
01:24:52,239 --> 01:24:54,080
that will be offered as part of this

2182
01:24:54,080 --> 01:24:56,560
position. Doing so will help ensure that

2183
01:24:56,560 --> 01:24:58,080
the recruitment process is both

2184
01:24:58,080 --> 01:24:59,840
effective and competitive and that the

2185
01:24:59,840 --> 01:25:01,520
city is positioned to attract the

2186
01:25:01,520 --> 01:25:03,840
strongest candidates possible. I believe

2187
01:25:03,840 --> 01:25:05,520
this is particularly important given the

2188
01:25:05,520 --> 01:25:07,440
city's previous experience and

2189
01:25:07,440 --> 01:25:09,600
recruitment of a police chief. The last

2190
01:25:09,600 --> 01:25:11,360
time the city undertook such a process,

2191
01:25:11,360 --> 01:25:13,360
the outcome was, in my opinion, a

2192
01:25:13,360 --> 01:25:15,679
significant failure. It is my hope the

2193
01:25:15,679 --> 01:25:17,520
city will learn from that experience and

2194
01:25:17,520 --> 01:25:19,040
take the necessary steps to avoid

2195
01:25:19,040 --> 01:25:21,280
repeating the same problems. This will

2196
01:25:21,280 --> 01:25:23,440
also require securing a contract with

2197
01:25:23,440 --> 01:25:25,120
either the local background investigator

2198
01:25:25,120 --> 01:25:26,400
currently used by the Orland Police

2199
01:25:26,400 --> 01:25:27,760
Department and Sheriff's Office or

2200
01:25:27,760 --> 01:25:30,159
another postqualified provider. With

2201
01:25:30,159 --> 01:25:31,920
that said, I have a concern regarding

2202
01:25:31,920 --> 01:25:33,679
information contained in the document

2203
01:25:33,679 --> 01:25:35,600
provided by the city manager, Miss Marty

2204
01:25:35,600 --> 01:25:38,800
Brown. The document states at its August

2205
01:25:38,800 --> 01:25:40,560
11th meeting, the city council directed

2206
01:25:40,560 --> 01:25:42,159
staff to engage a professional

2207
01:25:42,159 --> 01:25:44,000
recruitment firm to assist with the

2208
01:25:44,000 --> 01:25:45,760
recruitment and appointment of a police

2209
01:25:45,760 --> 01:25:48,159
chief. However, when I reviewed the

2210
01:25:48,159 --> 01:25:50,480
agenda and minutes for the referenced

2211
01:25:50,480 --> 01:25:52,960
special meeting, the the stated purpose

2212
01:25:52,960 --> 01:25:54,719
of the meeting was conference with legal

2213
01:25:54,719 --> 01:25:57,600
counsel initiation of litigation by

2214
01:25:57,600 --> 01:25:59,520
4956.9

2215
01:25:59,520 --> 01:26:01,520
peri

2216
01:26:01,520 --> 01:26:04,480
one case. The meeting minutes further

2217
01:26:04,480 --> 01:26:06,400
indicated report out information was

2218
01:26:06,400 --> 01:26:07,760
received and direction was given to

2219
01:26:07,760 --> 01:26:10,400
staff. I was unable to identify in the

2220
01:26:10,400 --> 01:26:12,560
publicly available agenda or minutes any

2221
01:26:12,560 --> 01:26:14,480
specific reference to the city council

2222
01:26:14,480 --> 01:26:15,760
providing direction regarding the

2223
01:26:15,760 --> 01:26:17,440
recruitment or appointment of a police

2224
01:26:17,440 --> 01:26:20,159
chief. Furthermore, based upon the

2225
01:26:20,159 --> 01:26:22,159
stated purpose of the special meeting, I

2226
01:26:22,159 --> 01:26:23,840
do not understand how such direction

2227
01:26:23,840 --> 01:26:25,600
would be connected to the close session

2228
01:26:25,600 --> 01:26:28,320
matter identified on the agenda. I

2229
01:26:28,320 --> 01:26:29,920
believe this raises legitimate

2230
01:26:29,920 --> 01:26:31,520
transparency concern that should be

2231
01:26:31,520 --> 01:26:33,040
clarified for the council and the

2232
01:26:33,040 --> 01:26:34,960
public. I along with others in the

2233
01:26:34,960 --> 01:26:36,560
community are concerned about the

2234
01:26:36,560 --> 01:26:38,239
possibility that matters concerning the

2235
01:26:38,239 --> 01:26:39,600
recruitment and appointment of the

2236
01:26:39,600 --> 01:26:42,000
police chief or other significant city

2237
01:26:42,000 --> 01:26:44,880
business may be discussed or acted upon

2238
01:26:44,880 --> 01:26:46,800
during closed sessions when th those

2239
01:26:46,800 --> 01:26:48,719
matters should be instead be addressed

2240
01:26:48,719 --> 01:26:51,440
in an open public forum. I am not

2241
01:26:51,440 --> 01:26:52,880
suggesting that the city council

2242
01:26:52,880 --> 01:26:54,960
improperly discussed or acted upon this

2243
01:26:54,960 --> 01:26:58,000
matter. Rather, I believe that the

2244
01:26:58,000 --> 01:27:00,000
discrepancy between the stated purpose

2245
01:27:00,000 --> 01:27:01,920
of the August 11th special meeting and

2246
01:27:01,920 --> 01:27:03,600
the subsequent reference to direction

2247
01:27:03,600 --> 01:27:05,120
regarding the police chief recruitment

2248
01:27:05,120 --> 01:27:07,440
warrants clarification.

2249
01:27:07,440 --> 01:27:09,360
Given the importance of reestablishing

2250
01:27:09,360 --> 01:27:11,280
the Willows Police Department and

2251
01:27:11,280 --> 01:27:12,960
selecting its chief, I believe the

2252
01:27:12,960 --> 01:27:14,480
public should have a clear understanding

2253
01:27:14,480 --> 01:27:16,480
of when and how the decision to initiate

2254
01:27:16,480 --> 01:27:18,639
the recruitment process was made.

2255
01:27:18,639 --> 01:27:20,719
Transparency in this process will help

2256
01:27:20,719 --> 01:27:22,639
ensure public confidence and provide the

2257
01:27:22,639 --> 01:27:24,639
community with assurance and the

2258
01:27:24,639 --> 01:27:26,639
recruitment and appointment of the next

2259
01:27:26,639 --> 01:27:28,239
police chief are conducted

2260
01:27:28,239 --> 01:27:30,400
appropriately, openly, and in accordance

2261
01:27:30,400 --> 01:27:32,719
with the applicable requirements. Thank

2262
01:27:32,719 --> 01:27:33,679
you.

2263
01:27:33,679 --> 01:27:35,840
>> Thank you.

2264
01:27:35,840 --> 01:27:39,120
>> On on that note, um

2265
01:27:39,120 --> 01:27:41,199
I just talked with Vice Mayor Thomas

2266
01:27:41,199 --> 01:27:43,120
about that as we came back from our

2267
01:27:43,120 --> 01:27:46,159
break. I was going to ask and it's city

2268
01:27:46,159 --> 01:27:47,760
attorney and since it's been brought up

2269
01:27:47,760 --> 01:27:51,280
by Michelle, our August 11th meeting was

2270
01:27:51,280 --> 01:27:52,880
a special meeting and it was a close

2271
01:27:52,880 --> 01:27:54,880
session for litigation and the minutes

2272
01:27:54,880 --> 01:27:57,120
did reflect the direction was given to

2273
01:27:57,120 --> 01:27:59,760
staff. You know, my question and I

2274
01:27:59,760 --> 01:28:02,480
didn't ask it before tonight and debated

2275
01:28:02,480 --> 01:28:05,840
bringing it up just trying to get more

2276
01:28:05,840 --> 01:28:08,000
information from staff. When we're in a

2277
01:28:08,000 --> 01:28:10,000
close session, this is just a technical

2278
01:28:10,000 --> 01:28:13,120
question and we give direction to staff.

2279
01:28:13,120 --> 01:28:16,719
Is it appropriate in many circumstances

2280
01:28:16,719 --> 01:28:19,040
depending on what that direction is i.e.

2281
01:28:19,040 --> 01:28:20,639
go forward with the recruitment of a

2282
01:28:20,639 --> 01:28:22,320
police chief would have been the

2283
01:28:22,320 --> 01:28:25,199
direction to put that in some form of

2284
01:28:25,199 --> 01:28:28,000
minutes.

2285
01:28:28,000 --> 01:28:30,320
It's not required under the Brown Act.

2286
01:28:30,320 --> 01:28:31,760
There are no minutes required to be

2287
01:28:31,760 --> 01:28:33,360
kept.

2288
01:28:33,360 --> 01:28:37,280
Um and it would really depend on what

2289
01:28:37,280 --> 01:28:39,360
type of direction was given and whether

2290
01:28:39,360 --> 01:28:41,199
that's going to open up doors about

2291
01:28:41,199 --> 01:28:42,400
other things that might have been

2292
01:28:42,400 --> 01:28:45,120
discussed as part for example this was a

2293
01:28:45,120 --> 01:28:47,120
discussion on potential initiation of

2294
01:28:47,120 --> 01:28:49,520
litigation. Well, that's completely

2295
01:28:49,520 --> 01:28:52,400
competent what that discussion entailed

2296
01:28:52,400 --> 01:28:57,030
and um I would not advise

2297
01:28:57,040 --> 01:28:58,880
» but but then we bring forward a staff

2298
01:28:58,880 --> 01:29:01,120
report to bring forward an item and we

2299
01:29:01,120 --> 01:29:03,280
reference a close session special

2300
01:29:03,280 --> 01:29:06,400
meeting that had no report out and that

2301
01:29:06,400 --> 01:29:09,199
by bringing it out and and and alluding

2302
01:29:09,199 --> 01:29:11,920
obviously we gave direction on this item

2303
01:29:11,920 --> 01:29:14,639
it just creates again this this um

2304
01:29:14,639 --> 01:29:17,520
>> well I think that's kind of an

2305
01:29:17,520 --> 01:29:18,320
interesting

2306
01:29:18,320 --> 01:29:20,480
dilemma because I I feel like if I just

2307
01:29:20,480 --> 01:29:22,560
put it on here and there's no other

2308
01:29:22,560 --> 01:29:24,239
minutes anywhere else that says I was

2309
01:29:24,239 --> 01:29:26,639
given direction, I think that there'd be

2310
01:29:26,639 --> 01:29:28,400
concern about well where did why did you

2311
01:29:28,400 --> 01:29:30,000
just suddenly as a city manager think

2312
01:29:30,000 --> 01:29:32,080
you should go get a recruiter? Right. So

2313
01:29:32,080 --> 01:29:35,120
I felt an obligation to say that I was

2314
01:29:35,120 --> 01:29:36,719
given direction. You didn't take a vote

2315
01:29:36,719 --> 01:29:38,800
on it which would then absolutely

2316
01:29:38,800 --> 01:29:41,120
require a report out but you you know

2317
01:29:41,120 --> 01:29:43,199
did say and I think I mean as as the

2318
01:29:43,199 --> 01:29:45,360
city attorney said it's that's okay.

2319
01:29:45,360 --> 01:29:47,920
Well, again, it it's it is a dilemma

2320
01:29:47,920 --> 01:29:49,120
because I don't disagree with what

2321
01:29:49,120 --> 01:29:51,280
you've said. However, we're having

2322
01:29:51,280 --> 01:29:53,040
meetings, we're discussing things, and

2323
01:29:53,040 --> 01:29:54,719
then they're going to appear at some

2324
01:29:54,719 --> 01:29:56,400
point on the agenda. So, how do we

2325
01:29:56,400 --> 01:29:57,840
mitigate that? I don't have the answer

2326
01:29:57,840 --> 01:30:00,320
to that question, but I noticed what you

2327
01:30:00,320 --> 01:30:03,120
noticed and if we're going to refer to

2328
01:30:03,120 --> 01:30:05,040
those meetings and direction given in

2329
01:30:05,040 --> 01:30:07,199
those meetings, how do we then document

2330
01:30:07,199 --> 01:30:09,280
that so that it's, you know, it doesn't

2331
01:30:09,280 --> 01:30:11,280
raise qu more questions on transparency

2332
01:30:11,280 --> 01:30:13,440
with our

2333
01:30:13,440 --> 01:30:15,199
>> so something to ponder. and definitely

2334
01:30:15,199 --> 01:30:16,239
understand where both of you are coming

2335
01:30:16,239 --> 01:30:20,080
from. I feel like this cuz at that time

2336
01:30:20,080 --> 01:30:22,159
on the report out the information we

2337
01:30:22,159 --> 01:30:23,760
talked about was confidential. We did

2338
01:30:23,760 --> 01:30:27,199
not want to discuss it at that time. Now

2339
01:30:27,199 --> 01:30:29,920
we're at a later date where we're able

2340
01:30:29,920 --> 01:30:31,520
to discuss that and we're referring to

2341
01:30:31,520 --> 01:30:33,600
where that direction was given which is

2342
01:30:33,600 --> 01:30:36,000
not necessarily I I do understand the

2343
01:30:36,000 --> 01:30:37,920
transparency issue. I also understand

2344
01:30:37,920 --> 01:30:40,719
the legal issue of side of it as well.

2345
01:30:40,719 --> 01:30:42,320
Um

2346
01:30:42,320 --> 01:30:43,767
yeah.

2347
01:30:43,767 --> 01:30:44,480
>> [snorts]

2348
01:30:44,480 --> 01:30:46,239
>> That's a difficult one. It is definitely

2349
01:30:46,239 --> 01:30:49,120
the dog chasing the tail sometimes. Um,

2350
01:30:49,120 --> 01:30:50,400
>> you know, and ideally we're going to get

2351
01:30:50,400 --> 01:30:52,719
to the point at some point that we're

2352
01:30:52,719 --> 01:30:54,239
able to build that trust with the

2353
01:30:54,239 --> 01:30:56,080
community. And there's some things that,

2354
01:30:56,080 --> 01:30:58,239
you know, we get into this dilemma that,

2355
01:30:58,239 --> 01:31:00,560
you know, we because of circumstances we

2356
01:31:00,560 --> 01:31:01,920
need to talk about it in this certain

2357
01:31:01,920 --> 01:31:03,440
venue.

2358
01:31:03,440 --> 01:31:05,360
and then at some point something comes

2359
01:31:05,360 --> 01:31:07,280
out and that there's a trust that there

2360
01:31:07,280 --> 01:31:09,920
aren't other inappropriate, you know,

2361
01:31:09,920 --> 01:31:12,159
side conversations or close sessions

2362
01:31:12,159 --> 01:31:14,800
happening or whatever. So, it's about

2363
01:31:14,800 --> 01:31:16,639
trust.

2364
01:31:16,639 --> 01:31:16,880
M

2365
01:31:16,880 --> 01:31:19,920
>> Mr. Mayor, council member Hans. Yeah,

2366
01:31:19,920 --> 01:31:22,400
thank you. No, I think it's reme I think

2367
01:31:22,400 --> 01:31:25,120
it's important to remember u what the

2368
01:31:25,120 --> 01:31:27,920
city attorney just just advised this

2369
01:31:27,920 --> 01:31:30,800
council does not violate the Brown Act.

2370
01:31:30,800 --> 01:31:32,639
This council follows the Ralph Brown

2371
01:31:32,639 --> 01:31:36,480
Act. So, what was done was done lawfully

2372
01:31:36,480 --> 01:31:38,159
on the report out. I just want to make

2373
01:31:38,159 --> 01:31:40,000
that that clear to the public

2374
01:31:40,000 --> 01:31:46,880
perspective. It is it's it's a

2375
01:31:46,880 --> 01:31:51,760
you're walking kind of a tight rope on not disclosing uh uh uh litigation

2376
01:31:51,760 --> 01:31:54,719
issues because that's uh absolutely

2377
01:31:54,719 --> 01:31:56,800
confidential as our city attorney just

2378
01:31:56,800 --> 01:31:59,679
uh just attested to. So the reports

2379
01:31:59,679 --> 01:32:02,800
report outs uh uh basically you know

2380
01:32:02,800 --> 01:32:04,159
direction given to staff nor the

2381
01:32:04,159 --> 01:32:07,120
reportable action that was that was the

2382
01:32:07,120 --> 01:32:09,280
lawful report out. So I just want to

2383
01:32:09,280 --> 01:32:10,719
make it clear that you know this council

2384
01:32:10,719 --> 01:32:12,800
is not trying to pull the blinders and

2385
01:32:12,800 --> 01:32:14,080
I'm not saying anybody's

2386
01:32:14,080 --> 01:32:14,480
>> no

2387
01:32:14,480 --> 01:32:16,800
>> accusing of us of that but I just want

2388
01:32:16,800 --> 01:32:17,760
to make it

2389
01:32:17,760 --> 01:32:19,520
>> very clear that this city council

2390
01:32:19,520 --> 01:32:21,199
follows the Ralph Brown Act.

2391
01:32:21,199 --> 01:32:21,679
>> Yeah.

2392
01:32:21,679 --> 01:32:23,600
>> So that's all I had. Evan, thank you.

2393
01:32:23,600 --> 01:32:25,920
>> Oh and I agree with that. I I definitely

2394
01:32:25,920 --> 01:32:27,360
don't think that we've ever been in

2395
01:32:27,360 --> 01:32:29,920
violation of it. I think um but I do

2396
01:32:29,920 --> 01:32:32,239
understand how I don't want to use it as

2397
01:32:32,239 --> 01:32:34,320
a shield to make people think that we're

2398
01:32:34,320 --> 01:32:35,920
not being transparent when we're we're

2399
01:32:35,920 --> 01:32:39,120
doing our best and I I do actually

2400
01:32:39,120 --> 01:32:40,880
applaud putting that down there at the

2401
01:32:40,880 --> 01:32:45,120
end. So then people can ask the question can be brought up why is this

2402
01:32:45,120 --> 01:32:47,440
being mentioned on here when it was

2403
01:32:47,440 --> 01:32:49,040
discussed during a closed session item

2404
01:32:49,040 --> 01:32:51,280
and that's a valid question and I feel

2405
01:32:51,280 --> 01:32:53,040
like we've given a valid answer even

2406
01:32:53,040 --> 01:32:54,560
though it's sometimes it's never the

2407
01:32:54,560 --> 01:32:57,520
answer that we want. um still the the

2408
01:32:57,520 --> 01:33:00,800
answer that's there. So um with that, is

2409
01:33:00,800 --> 01:33:02,400
there any more public comment?

2410
01:33:02,400 --> 01:33:05,280
>> Mr. Mayor, I just was absent from that

2411
01:33:05,280 --> 01:33:08,639
August 11th meeting, so I have no

2412
01:33:08,639 --> 01:33:11,280
knowledge of what actually went down.

2413
01:33:11,280 --> 01:33:12,000
Mhm.

2414
01:33:12,000 --> 01:33:15,729
>> I was briefed on general discussions of

2415
01:33:15,729 --> 01:33:16,400
[clears throat]

2416
01:33:16,400 --> 01:33:18,400
but if the staff if the council gave

2417
01:33:18,400 --> 01:33:22,320
direction the to the city manager to

2418
01:33:22,320 --> 01:33:24,560
pursue professional recruitment that

2419
01:33:24,560 --> 01:33:26,719
requires expenditure money and so by

2420
01:33:26,719 --> 01:33:28,880
bringing it here today she's following

2421
01:33:28,880 --> 01:33:31,280
that direction and exposing to the

2422
01:33:31,280 --> 01:33:32,159
public

2423
01:33:32,159 --> 01:33:36,960
>> what our direction was. And so

2424
01:33:36,960 --> 01:33:39,040
I don't know how else you could do that.

2425
01:33:39,040 --> 01:33:40,880
>> Right. That's what that's where I'm

2426
01:33:40,880 --> 01:33:41,440
from.

2427
01:33:41,440 --> 01:33:43,600
>> So, she's now presenting it

2428
01:33:43,600 --> 01:33:45,840
>> from that direction so we could vote on

2429
01:33:45,840 --> 01:33:46,159
it.

2430
01:33:46,159 --> 01:33:48,239
>> And at that time, we didn't want to it

2431
01:33:48,239 --> 01:33:49,520
was still in the confidential setting,

2432
01:33:49,520 --> 01:33:52,000
so we didn't want to disclose too much

2433
01:33:52,000 --> 01:33:54,560
information based on where we're at with

2434
01:33:54,560 --> 01:33:59,750
the legal conversations. Um,

2435
01:33:59,760 --> 01:34:01,840
yeah. Is there any more public comment?

2436
01:34:01,840 --> 01:34:02,400
Is that it?

2437
01:34:02,400 --> 01:34:03,360
>> I don't have any.

2438
01:34:03,360 --> 01:34:06,639
>> Okay. With that, uh, Vice Mayor Thomas,

2439
01:34:06,639 --> 01:34:08,880
you have anything? Who? Council member

2440
01:34:08,880 --> 01:34:10,800
Pride,

2441
01:34:10,800 --> 01:34:12,320
Council Member Low,

2442
01:34:12,320 --> 01:34:14,000
>> you I think one more comment on the

2443
01:34:14,000 --> 01:34:17,679
recruitment piece is that uh the startup

2444
01:34:17,679 --> 01:34:20,800
expertise and long-term management from

2445
01:34:20,800 --> 01:34:23,120
a police chief's perspective are two

2446
01:34:23,120 --> 01:34:26,880
different skill sets. And um the best

2447
01:34:26,880 --> 01:34:29,440
solution may I would recommend is that

2448
01:34:29,440 --> 01:34:31,920
you would hire a permanent chief with

2449
01:34:31,920 --> 01:34:34,480
startup experience if possible supported

2450
01:34:34,480 --> 01:34:38,080
by a retired chief or consultant uh for

2451
01:34:38,080 --> 01:34:41,040
maybe a six-month period or so to kind

2452
01:34:41,040 --> 01:34:46,390
of guide this this chief along.

2453
01:34:46,400 --> 01:34:50,310
» That's it. Thank you.

2454
01:34:50,320 --> 01:34:51,360
» Council Hansen,

2455
01:34:51,360 --> 01:34:54,480
>> I have no further comments. I'm uh if if

2456
01:34:54,480 --> 01:34:56,159
you're ready, Mr. Mayor, you may have

2457
01:34:56,159 --> 01:34:58,560
some comments. I'm prepared to uh submit

2458
01:34:58,560 --> 01:34:59,280
a motion.

2459
01:34:59,280 --> 01:35:03,199
>> Okay. I do have a couple real quick. Um

2460
01:35:03,199 --> 01:35:07,760
my only comment is that we've received

2461
01:35:07,760 --> 01:35:11,040
not a firm quote, but a a ballpark

2462
01:35:11,040 --> 01:35:13,760
estimate. Right. I call it

2463
01:35:13,760 --> 01:35:14,480
>> been verbal.

2464
01:35:14,480 --> 01:35:16,320
>> I call it a guest a gueststimation.

2465
01:35:16,320 --> 01:35:17,120
Right. Right.

2466
01:35:17,120 --> 01:35:20,320
>> Um that's above what we're requesting

2467
01:35:20,320 --> 01:35:24,159
here. Um, so my thought is wondering if

2468
01:35:24,159 --> 01:35:27,840
we need to allocate a higher amount um

2469
01:35:27,840 --> 01:35:29,520
so that we're not so that we're not

2470
01:35:29,520 --> 01:35:32,239
postponing this any longer when we go

2471
01:35:32,239 --> 01:35:33,840
out to bid for this and next thing you

2472
01:35:33,840 --> 01:35:37,040
know we're nobody came in under 30,000

2473
01:35:37,040 --> 01:35:39,440
and now we're sitting here and we're

2474
01:35:39,440 --> 01:35:41,760
having to have another meeting um and

2475
01:35:41,760 --> 01:35:43,840
trying to get you know three out of five

2476
01:35:43,840 --> 01:35:45,440
people together for a special meeting or

2477
01:35:45,440 --> 01:35:49,760
whatever to increase that number. Um, so

2478
01:35:49,760 --> 01:35:52,000
my thought is is to increase that limit

2479
01:35:52,000 --> 01:35:54,080
to where we know we can at least get one

2480
01:35:54,080 --> 01:35:58,000
competitive bid. Um,

2481
01:35:58,000 --> 01:36:00,320
and go from there. And whether or not we

2482
01:36:00,320 --> 01:36:01,520
spend that much is a completely

2483
01:36:01,520 --> 01:36:03,280
different subject, right? I mean, we can

2484
01:36:03,280 --> 01:36:05,520
say, hey, we want to spend 45,000, get

2485
01:36:05,520 --> 01:36:08,719
five bids, one comes in at 20,000, we'll

2486
01:36:08,719 --> 01:36:10,239
take the 20,000. We're not spending that

2487
01:36:10,239 --> 01:36:12,239
money necessarily, but we're at least

2488
01:36:12,239 --> 01:36:14,639
given the authority to

2489
01:36:14,639 --> 01:36:15,920
do what it takes to get us a police

2490
01:36:15,920 --> 01:36:17,760
chief because that's that's vital for

2491
01:36:17,760 --> 01:36:19,679
our community because as soon as we're

2492
01:36:19,679 --> 01:36:20,960
able to start hiring that police chief,

2493
01:36:20,960 --> 01:36:22,320
we're able to start getting the contract

2494
01:36:22,320 --> 01:36:25,199
law enforcement hopefully according to

2495
01:36:25,199 --> 01:36:28,239
Mr. Maloney's input and then that's

2496
01:36:28,239 --> 01:36:30,320
require that involves a safer town and I

2497
01:36:30,320 --> 01:36:31,440
don't think you can put a dollar amount

2498
01:36:31,440 --> 01:36:32,960
on that. And so if we're able to get a

2499
01:36:32,960 --> 01:36:34,320
recruitment firm that's able to get the

2500
01:36:34,320 --> 01:36:39,280
job done, you know, fast and well done,

2501
01:36:39,280 --> 01:36:40,719
then it's worth the price that has to be

2502
01:36:40,719 --> 01:36:43,040
paid for it.

2503
01:36:43,040 --> 01:36:47,030
So those are my only comments.

2504
01:36:47,040 --> 01:36:50,800
I'd like to ask or have Marty explain

2505
01:36:50,800 --> 01:36:52,560
this

2506
01:36:52,560 --> 01:36:55,600
matter authorizes you to appoint and

2507
01:36:55,600 --> 01:36:58,000
hire a police chief. Did you cover

2508
01:36:58,000 --> 01:37:00,719
briefly the concept of the interview

2509
01:37:00,719 --> 01:37:03,199
process as you shared with me that it

2510
01:37:03,199 --> 01:37:07,119
would be you and whome?

2511
01:37:07,119 --> 01:37:10,000
Um, typically for a department head

2512
01:37:10,000 --> 01:37:12,480
position at this level

2513
01:37:12,480 --> 01:37:14,080
in this case in Willows, I would

2514
01:37:14,080 --> 01:37:16,480
recommend that it be my myself, Mike

2515
01:37:16,480 --> 01:37:18,880
Maloney, and I would also look to ask

2516
01:37:18,880 --> 01:37:23,440
for um probably current, you know, um,

2517
01:37:23,440 --> 01:37:25,280
currently active police chiefs from a

2518
01:37:25,280 --> 01:37:27,280
few jurisdictions maybe to be part of it

2519
01:37:27,280 --> 01:37:30,239
as well as some staff uh, executive

2520
01:37:30,239 --> 01:37:32,400
department head staff. And if the

2521
01:37:32,400 --> 01:37:34,719
council was so inclined, in this

2522
01:37:34,719 --> 01:37:36,480
particular case, because it is a police

2523
01:37:36,480 --> 01:37:38,719
chief, you may wish to have a community

2524
01:37:38,719 --> 01:37:41,280
panel, which is often done for city

2525
01:37:41,280 --> 01:37:44,159
manager recruitments, not as common for

2526
01:37:44,159 --> 01:37:46,719
department heads, but somewhat common

2527
01:37:46,719 --> 01:37:49,280
for police chiefs.

2528
01:37:49,280 --> 01:37:50,159
>> Thank you.

2529
01:37:50,159 --> 01:37:52,320
>> So, I you know, I haven't gotten that

2530
01:37:52,320 --> 01:37:54,159
far. I mean, we're going 100 miles an

2531
01:37:54,159 --> 01:37:55,280
hour right now. So, I

2532
01:37:55,280 --> 01:37:56,480
>> understand that. But I think it was

2533
01:37:56,480 --> 01:37:58,080
important that they know

2534
01:37:58,080 --> 01:38:00,159
>> that the the public knows that our

2535
01:38:00,159 --> 01:38:04,560
decision process is broad-based

2536
01:38:04,560 --> 01:38:07,199
involving law enforcement officials with

2537
01:38:07,199 --> 01:38:09,280
the knowledge to write and ask the right

2538
01:38:09,280 --> 01:38:11,920
questions. So I thought that was

2539
01:38:11,920 --> 01:38:15,669
important to share

2540
01:38:15,679 --> 01:38:17,760
» and in this case I would think council

2541
01:38:17,760 --> 01:38:19,600
might be

2542
01:38:19,600 --> 01:38:22,719
well um

2543
01:38:22,719 --> 01:38:24,719
because I know that lot of really high

2544
01:38:24,719 --> 01:38:31,669
strong community interest.

2545
01:38:31,679 --> 01:38:34,239
» Mr. May, I have a question for you.

2546
01:38:34,239 --> 01:38:35,440
>> Yeah, go ahead.

2547
01:38:35,440 --> 01:38:37,040
>> Yeah.

2548
01:38:37,040 --> 01:38:39,199
Are you concerned that the $30,000 not

2549
01:38:39,199 --> 01:38:40,880
to exceed amount for the recruitment

2550
01:38:40,880 --> 01:38:42,880
services might not be enough?

2551
01:38:42,880 --> 01:38:44,880
>> Just based off of the what I call a

2552
01:38:44,880 --> 01:38:46,560
guesstimation that she received from the

2553
01:38:46,560 --> 01:38:47,119
firm.

2554
01:38:47,119 --> 01:38:48,880
>> Would you be Oh, I'm sorry. Go ahead.

2555
01:38:48,880 --> 01:38:50,400
>> So, that's why I was suggesting possibly

2556
01:38:50,400 --> 01:38:51,760
going up to something along the lines of

2557
01:38:51,760 --> 01:38:53,679
45,000, maybe even 50.

2558
01:38:53,679 --> 01:38:56,639
>> Yeah. and not spending. But either way,

2559
01:38:56,639 --> 01:38:59,119
we're still taking the the best bid that

2560
01:38:59,119 --> 01:39:00,800
we have.

2561
01:39:00,800 --> 01:39:02,400
>> Yeah, I've just Yeah, I just said that

2562
01:39:02,400 --> 01:39:05,600
was my my question because right now the

2563
01:39:05,600 --> 01:39:09,040
not to ex the uh recommendation is not

2564
01:39:09,040 --> 01:39:13,679
to exceed 30,000 for the recruitment as we see in front of us with the total

2565
01:39:13,679 --> 01:39:16,239
maximum fiscal impact to the budget to

2566
01:39:16,239 --> 01:39:19,840
the general fund budget at 245,000.

2567
01:39:19,840 --> 01:39:21,679
So,

2568
01:39:21,679 --> 01:39:23,440
>> well, I did the math and well, I did

2569
01:39:23,440 --> 01:39:25,440
some math and I took all the positions

2570
01:39:25,440 --> 01:39:27,840
that we were supposed to vote on tonight

2571
01:39:27,840 --> 01:39:32,639
and postponed. Um, multiplied them each

2572
01:39:32,639 --> 01:39:36,320
times the same percent to come up with a

2573
01:39:36,320 --> 01:39:37,600
benefits package that they would have

2574
01:39:37,600 --> 01:39:39,360
been received. Uh, for the chief, it

2575
01:39:39,360 --> 01:39:41,440
came out to be about 58% of his base

2576
01:39:41,440 --> 01:39:44,080
salary at the top step. if we hired

2577
01:39:44,080 --> 01:39:46,080
based off of our old study that we did

2578
01:39:46,080 --> 01:39:48,159
where we had 10 law enforcement or 10

2579
01:39:48,159 --> 01:39:53,199
staff uh which was one assistant, two uh

2580
01:39:53,199 --> 01:39:55,360
csos

2581
01:39:55,360 --> 01:39:59,440
um it was six um sworn police officers,

2582
01:39:59,440 --> 01:40:01,760
two sergeants and one chief um for a

2583
01:40:01,760 --> 01:40:04,000
total of 10 with benefits and everything

2584
01:40:04,000 --> 01:40:08,310
else. That puts us at $91,827.

2585
01:40:08,320 --> 01:40:11,360
Again, that's rough math. We're still

2586
01:40:11,360 --> 01:40:12,960
having to look into animal control and

2587
01:40:12,960 --> 01:40:15,040
dispatch. I ballparked that around

2588
01:40:15,040 --> 01:40:17,440
$250,000. I'm not sure where we're at.

2589
01:40:17,440 --> 01:40:22,560
That still puts us at close to 1.2 $1.3

2590
01:40:22,560 --> 01:40:26,480
million for our staffing and dispatch.

2591
01:40:26,480 --> 01:40:29,280
We still obviously have vehicles and

2592
01:40:29,280 --> 01:40:31,760
other other handual items that we have

2593
01:40:31,760 --> 01:40:35,119
to get. Um, but it still puts us well

2594
01:40:35,119 --> 01:40:37,280
within that our budget line that we're

2595
01:40:37,280 --> 01:40:40,239
trying to keep within of the 2.3 that

2596
01:40:40,239 --> 01:40:45,840
we've or we're basing everything off of what we're used to paying for law

2597
01:40:45,840 --> 01:40:48,719
enforcement contract services. So, I

2598
01:40:48,719 --> 01:40:50,320
think when we're talking about $1.2

2599
01:40:50,320 --> 01:40:52,480
million, provide an extra 15,000 to make

2600
01:40:52,480 --> 01:40:53,679
sure that we get a good firm that's

2601
01:40:53,679 --> 01:40:55,679
going to do the job well, um, isn't

2602
01:40:55,679 --> 01:40:57,199
asking too much.

2603
01:40:57,199 --> 01:40:59,600
>> I I'm just going to disagree. I think

2604
01:40:59,600 --> 01:41:02,080
staff's presented this item with a

2605
01:41:02,080 --> 01:41:05,040
fiscal impact of 245,000 as expressed by

2606
01:41:05,040 --> 01:41:07,920
council member Hansen. 215 which is

2607
01:41:07,920 --> 01:41:10,480
padded by 5,000 already per the city

2608
01:41:10,480 --> 01:41:13,840
manager's report 30,000 is she's talked

2609
01:41:13,840 --> 01:41:15,760
to companies there's one company and

2610
01:41:15,760 --> 01:41:17,119
what was their number Marty

2611
01:41:17,119 --> 01:41:19,760
>> 32,500 which is a boutique firm that

2612
01:41:19,760 --> 01:41:21,440
does specializes in chiefs

2613
01:41:21,440 --> 01:41:23,360
>> I I would be very interested in actually

2614
01:41:23,360 --> 01:41:25,280
seeing what these other firms can do. I

2615
01:41:25,280 --> 01:41:26,960
hear boutique firm and they're like the

2616
01:41:26,960 --> 01:41:28,719
only ones they're charging for that and

2617
01:41:28,719 --> 01:41:31,440
are they truly the only ones since since

2618
01:41:31,440 --> 01:41:33,119
we're

2619
01:41:33,119 --> 01:41:34,560
you know we're approving this dollar

2620
01:41:34,560 --> 01:41:37,040
amount tonight mayor and and if that

2621
01:41:37,040 --> 01:41:39,600
goes over higher

2622
01:41:39,600 --> 01:41:42,400
yeah if we limit her authority to 30 I

2623
01:41:42,400 --> 01:41:44,560
just I'm I'm opposed to spending just

2624
01:41:44,560 --> 01:41:46,880
whatever we need to spend to for a

2625
01:41:46,880 --> 01:41:49,040
recruitment firm when I when I believe

2626
01:41:49,040 --> 01:41:51,760
based on what Mr. Maloney has said, and

2627
01:41:51,760 --> 01:41:55,199
what I just kind of know intuitively,

2628
01:41:55,199 --> 01:41:56,800
there's a very strong chance we're not

2629
01:41:56,800 --> 01:41:57,760
going to get somebody through the

2630
01:41:57,760 --> 01:41:59,040
recruitment firm. We're going to get

2631
01:41:59,040 --> 01:42:02,480
somebody who's already in contact with

2632
01:42:02,480 --> 01:42:05,440
Mike. I mean, I don't have a crystal

2633
01:42:05,440 --> 01:42:07,840
ball, but to just keep upping these

2634
01:42:07,840 --> 01:42:10,239
costs for these outside consultants and

2635
01:42:10,239 --> 01:42:12,719
recruiters, I'm I just I'm resistant to

2636
01:42:12,719 --> 01:42:13,840
that. Well,

2637
01:42:13,840 --> 01:42:15,119
>> it's not my place.

2638
01:42:15,119 --> 01:42:17,199
>> Yeah. Yeah. Mr. Mayor, I I thank you for

2639
01:42:17,199 --> 01:42:19,440
the information. I yeah I just that was

2640
01:42:19,440 --> 01:42:22,719
my question. I I was just you know

2641
01:42:22,719 --> 01:42:24,239
wanted to know what where where your

2642
01:42:24,239 --> 01:42:26,880
thinking was. But uh I I'm comfortable

2643
01:42:26,880 --> 01:42:29,119
with with approving this matter as

2644
01:42:29,119 --> 01:42:31,520
presented uh for now because any

2645
01:42:31,520 --> 01:42:33,600
individual who meets them the MQs and

2646
01:42:33,600 --> 01:42:35,440
minimum qualifications can apply. It's

2647
01:42:35,440 --> 01:42:36,960
not necessarily just going to be

2648
01:42:36,960 --> 01:42:38,320
applicants identified through

2649
01:42:38,320 --> 01:42:41,280
recruiters. So words out words out job

2650
01:42:41,280 --> 01:42:43,679
flyers out. It's out all over the place.

2651
01:42:43,679 --> 01:42:45,280
All right. Probably all over the western

2652
01:42:45,280 --> 01:42:46,639
United States. all over the state of

2653
01:42:46,639 --> 01:42:48,800
California for sure. So I'm I'm

2654
01:42:48,800 --> 01:42:50,960
comfortable moving forward uh uh with

2655
01:42:50,960 --> 01:42:53,199
the staff recommendation as presented at

2656
01:42:53,199 --> 01:42:55,600
not to exceed $30,000

2657
01:42:55,600 --> 01:42:57,840
for the recruitment services. So go

2658
01:42:57,840 --> 01:42:58,159
ahead.

2659
01:42:58,159 --> 01:43:01,040
>> Sorry, public comment is over. I mean so

2660
01:43:01,040 --> 01:43:03,280
I

2661
01:43:03,280 --> 01:43:05,040
>> if you have information for us, I'm

2662
01:43:05,040 --> 01:43:06,400
willing to take it all in. This is new

2663
01:43:06,400 --> 01:43:10,159
for all of us. So go ahead.

2664
01:43:10,159 --> 01:43:12,960
just going to share that uh free to you

2665
01:43:12,960 --> 01:43:14,480
free [clears throat] to you you could um

2666
01:43:14,480 --> 01:43:17,119
get a hold of Borak which all the law

2667
01:43:17,119 --> 01:43:18,880
enforcement officers belong to in the

2668
01:43:18,880 --> 01:43:22,239
state of California and you could um put

2669
01:43:22,239 --> 01:43:25,119
your job player in that bulletin for

2670
01:43:25,119 --> 01:43:27,440
free just to let you know because that's

2671
01:43:27,440 --> 01:43:30,400
a really good resource to recruit.

2672
01:43:30,400 --> 01:43:32,159
>> Again, I'm just one person with limited

2673
01:43:32,159 --> 01:43:33,440
knowledge on law enforcement and how

2674
01:43:33,440 --> 01:43:36,239
that recruitment process goes. So, I'm

2675
01:43:36,239 --> 01:43:38,800
looking at something and I'm seeing us

2676
01:43:38,800 --> 01:43:42,159
needing that immediately, not not hey,

2677
01:43:42,159 --> 01:43:43,600
we got to come back in 2 weeks and

2678
01:43:43,600 --> 01:43:47,040
readjust the the number again. Um, so

2679
01:43:47,040 --> 01:43:48,000
with that, I'll leave it up to the

2680
01:43:48,000 --> 01:43:48,880
pleasure of the council.

2681
01:43:48,880 --> 01:43:52,960
>> Mr. Mayor, I I move to approve item 7 a,

2682
01:43:52,960 --> 01:43:54,880
lease chief recruitment and appointment

2683
01:43:54,880 --> 01:43:57,760
uh matter as presented by staff.

2684
01:43:57,760 --> 01:43:59,760
>> I second that. So, we have a first and a

2685
01:43:59,760 --> 01:44:05,350
second. Is there any further comment?

2686
01:44:05,360 --> 01:44:07,119
Seeing none. All in favor signify by

2687
01:44:07,119 --> 01:44:09,040
saying I. I. I.

2688
01:44:09,040 --> 01:44:11,040
>> All oppose. Same sign. Motion pass. Five

2689
01:44:11,040 --> 01:44:16,870
to zero. All right. Next item. Item 7B.

2690
01:44:16,880 --> 01:44:19,760
Sorry.

2691
01:44:19,760 --> 01:44:21,360
Request for qualification tenant

2692
01:44:21,360 --> 01:44:22,800
improvements to Civic Center to

2693
01:44:22,800 --> 01:44:25,520
reestablish Willows Police Department.

2694
01:44:25,520 --> 01:44:27,360
Recommended action authorizes city

2695
01:44:27,360 --> 01:44:29,840
manager to prepare and release a request

2696
01:44:29,840 --> 01:44:31,520
for qualifications to engage an

2697
01:44:31,520 --> 01:44:33,440
architectural engineering firm to design

2698
01:44:33,440 --> 01:44:35,679
tenant improvements to the interior of

2699
01:44:35,679 --> 01:44:37,840
the south wing of the civic center

2700
01:44:37,840 --> 01:44:40,000
administrative offices in order to

2701
01:44:40,000 --> 01:44:41,520
reestablish the Willowis Police

2702
01:44:41,520 --> 01:44:44,239
Department. Contact Marty Brown, city

2703
01:44:44,239 --> 01:44:45,600
manager.

2704
01:44:45,600 --> 01:44:47,760
So, the item that's before the council

2705
01:44:47,760 --> 01:44:49,360
is to look at a request for

2706
01:44:49,360 --> 01:44:51,440
qualifications, which is a little

2707
01:44:51,440 --> 01:44:53,119
different than a request for proposals

2708
01:44:53,119 --> 01:44:54,960
because both Mike and I when we talked

2709
01:44:54,960 --> 01:44:56,719
about it really had no idea what

2710
01:44:56,719 --> 01:44:58,719
something like this would cost. And so,

2711
01:44:58,719 --> 01:45:00,320
when you don't know what budget to

2712
01:45:00,320 --> 01:45:03,280
attach to an RFP process, often times

2713
01:45:03,280 --> 01:45:05,360
people take this approach instead where

2714
01:45:05,360 --> 01:45:07,440
you seek qualifications from people to

2715
01:45:07,440 --> 01:45:09,840
see what who who has the best

2716
01:45:09,840 --> 01:45:12,480
qualifications for the proposed project.

2717
01:45:12,480 --> 01:45:15,119
And then when you, you know, have a

2718
01:45:15,119 --> 01:45:16,960
preferred candidate, you start talking

2719
01:45:16,960 --> 01:45:19,199
about the budget and oftentimes they'll

2720
01:45:19,199 --> 01:45:20,960
give you some initial budgetary numbers,

2721
01:45:20,960 --> 01:45:23,360
but it won't be fully solidified in the

2722
01:45:23,360 --> 01:45:24,719
proposal or really what's called

2723
01:45:24,719 --> 01:45:26,320
statement of qualifications that you get

2724
01:45:26,320 --> 01:45:29,520
from them. So, we um thought that this

2725
01:45:29,520 --> 01:45:30,960
would be a better approach since neither

2726
01:45:30,960 --> 01:45:32,880
of us are architects or engineers or

2727
01:45:32,880 --> 01:45:34,639
designers and we don't quite know what

2728
01:45:34,639 --> 01:45:38,320
we'd be looking at. Um, as a reminder,

2729
01:45:38,320 --> 01:45:40,080
the council did approve going out with a

2730
01:45:40,080 --> 01:45:43,199
full-on RFQ for um, looking at a variety

2731
01:45:43,199 --> 01:45:46,880
of different um, proposals and ideas for

2732
01:45:46,880 --> 01:45:48,960
improvements both to the building, an

2733
01:45:48,960 --> 01:45:52,000
addition on the building, modular type

2734
01:45:52,000 --> 01:45:53,840
buildings um, maybe in the parking lot

2735
01:45:53,840 --> 01:45:56,080
or the adjacent uh, vacant lot that the

2736
01:45:56,080 --> 01:45:59,600
city also owns here. And um, we did that

2737
01:45:59,600 --> 01:46:01,760
RFQ process. We did not get a single

2738
01:46:01,760 --> 01:46:04,159
response. It included not only the

2739
01:46:04,159 --> 01:46:05,840
physical tenant improvements, but the

2740
01:46:05,840 --> 01:46:09,040
request was also for um a a team of

2741
01:46:09,040 --> 01:46:10,880
experts that could also look at hard and

2742
01:46:10,880 --> 01:46:13,040
soft costs, which probably, you know,

2743
01:46:13,040 --> 01:46:15,199
that that was a big a tall order. And so

2744
01:46:15,199 --> 01:46:17,760
that including like software and

2745
01:46:17,760 --> 01:46:20,719
equipment that we would need and um it

2746
01:46:20,719 --> 01:46:22,639
like the whole kitten kaboodleoodle, if

2747
01:46:22,639 --> 01:46:23,760
you will, of everything that would be

2748
01:46:23,760 --> 01:46:25,199
needed to reestablish a police

2749
01:46:25,199 --> 01:46:26,560
department, not just the physical

2750
01:46:26,560 --> 01:46:28,880
structure. And I think that's probably

2751
01:46:28,880 --> 01:46:30,480
why we didn't get a response because

2752
01:46:30,480 --> 01:46:32,960
that's um very different sets of skills

2753
01:46:32,960 --> 01:46:36,239
and expertise. Um so we went through

2754
01:46:36,239 --> 01:46:38,800
that whole process and now we're here

2755
01:46:38,800 --> 01:46:40,560
and we're moving forward quickly with

2756
01:46:40,560 --> 01:46:42,320
reestablishing the police department and

2757
01:46:42,320 --> 01:46:44,320
recruit recruiting a police chief. And

2758
01:46:44,320 --> 01:46:46,159
when Mike and I talked about it, I had

2759
01:46:46,159 --> 01:46:48,880
said, you know, my concern is like where

2760
01:46:48,880 --> 01:46:50,960
is the chief going to sit and be

2761
01:46:50,960 --> 01:46:53,440
physically located? And then as he or

2762
01:46:53,440 --> 01:46:56,719
she is recruiting um patrol officers and

2763
01:46:56,719 --> 01:46:58,719
building the police department, where

2764
01:46:58,719 --> 01:47:01,520
will those people be housed? Um because

2765
01:47:01,520 --> 01:47:03,679
we're really not set up at this point

2766
01:47:03,679 --> 01:47:05,679
anymore to be a police department. And

2767
01:47:05,679 --> 01:47:08,560
so it it seemed imperative to move

2768
01:47:08,560 --> 01:47:11,199
quickly on starting to actually rebuild

2769
01:47:11,199 --> 01:47:14,639
the physical structure. Um, we talked

2770
01:47:14,639 --> 01:47:19,679
about it and in your um, previous um,

2771
01:47:19,679 --> 01:47:21,360
report, law enforcement report that was

2772
01:47:21,360 --> 01:47:23,280
done by Brian Eller of Municipal

2773
01:47:23,280 --> 01:47:25,199
Resource Group and Mike and I have

2774
01:47:25,199 --> 01:47:27,600
talked about it. We think the 4,500

2775
01:47:27,600 --> 01:47:29,360
square feet on the other side, you know,

2776
01:47:29,360 --> 01:47:32,000
out here, main city hall side, is

2777
01:47:32,000 --> 01:47:33,679
sufficient for the seven full-time

2778
01:47:33,679 --> 01:47:35,600
administrative staff and a police

2779
01:47:35,600 --> 01:47:38,000
department of 12, 13, something like

2780
01:47:38,000 --> 01:47:39,280
that, which is probably what it would

2781
01:47:39,280 --> 01:47:41,600
end up being at the end of the day. um

2782
01:47:41,600 --> 01:47:43,520
if it was restructured. I mean, right

2783
01:47:43,520 --> 01:47:45,840
now that side of the hall, there's just

2784
01:47:45,840 --> 01:47:48,080
there's a lot of empty void space. It's

2785
01:47:48,080 --> 01:47:50,320
not well utilized at all. It isn't well

2786
01:47:50,320 --> 01:47:52,880
configured at all. Um it's really great

2787
01:47:52,880 --> 01:47:55,520
and spacious for the seven of us, but I

2788
01:47:55,520 --> 01:47:58,560
don't think seven of us need 4,500 ft.

2789
01:47:58,560 --> 01:48:00,480
So, and that that doesn't include ch

2790
01:48:00,480 --> 01:48:03,600
council chambers, the library, or the

2791
01:48:03,600 --> 01:48:05,600
kitchen. It includes all the hallway

2792
01:48:05,600 --> 01:48:08,000
space, all that side of city hall, the

2793
01:48:08,000 --> 01:48:11,040
wreck room, um the hallway, which you

2794
01:48:11,040 --> 01:48:12,480
know, you could have two go-karts go

2795
01:48:12,480 --> 01:48:15,280
down the center of it, and also um the

2796
01:48:15,280 --> 01:48:18,000
council's office. So that's the and the

2797
01:48:18,000 --> 01:48:20,400
our little garage off the um

2798
01:48:20,400 --> 01:48:23,119
administration side. So all of that is

2799
01:48:23,119 --> 01:48:25,600
about 4,500 square feet um in our

2800
01:48:25,600 --> 01:48:27,920
conference as well. So, we thought that

2801
01:48:27,920 --> 01:48:29,840
that's sufficient space if it was

2802
01:48:29,840 --> 01:48:31,520
reconfigured for police department and

2803
01:48:31,520 --> 01:48:33,840
the seven administrative staff and we

2804
01:48:33,840 --> 01:48:35,199
probably didn't need to do an addition

2805
01:48:35,199 --> 01:48:37,199
on the building andor certainly not at

2806
01:48:37,199 --> 01:48:39,119
this time andor

2807
01:48:39,119 --> 01:48:41,760
um necessarily have other temporary or

2808
01:48:41,760 --> 01:48:44,639
permanent modular buildings in um

2809
01:48:44,639 --> 01:48:47,280
parking lot at this time. So, we wanted

2810
01:48:47,280 --> 01:48:50,239
to get going because, like I said, we

2811
01:48:50,239 --> 01:48:52,400
hire a police chief and we start

2812
01:48:52,400 --> 01:48:54,239
building the department with people and

2813
01:48:54,239 --> 01:48:55,920
personnel and we just don't know where

2814
01:48:55,920 --> 01:48:58,000
they're going to work. Um, where that

2815
01:48:58,000 --> 01:49:00,639
how that's all going to fit together. It

2816
01:49:00,639 --> 01:49:02,560
would have to be upgraded. There's a lot

2817
01:49:02,560 --> 01:49:05,600
of kinds of safety um requirements for,

2818
01:49:05,600 --> 01:49:07,920
you know, according to the the DOJ and

2819
01:49:07,920 --> 01:49:09,280
the state. I'm sure Council Member

2820
01:49:09,280 --> 01:49:11,679
Hansen could speak to that um of the

2821
01:49:11,679 --> 01:49:13,840
kind of requirements. And so just hiring

2822
01:49:13,840 --> 01:49:16,159
a police chief to come sit in the office

2823
01:49:16,159 --> 01:49:18,800
next to mine or in the office where the

2824
01:49:18,800 --> 01:49:20,400
planner used to sit at this end is like

2825
01:49:20,400 --> 01:49:22,480
really could only last a few minutes.

2826
01:49:22,480 --> 01:49:24,800
Like that's not going to be a long

2827
01:49:24,800 --> 01:49:27,280
especially that person wants to start

2828
01:49:27,280 --> 01:49:30,159
hiring personnel. So this seemed like a

2829
01:49:30,159 --> 01:49:32,719
good time to look at the RFQ process and

2830
01:49:32,719 --> 01:49:34,480
really try to figure out a budget and

2831
01:49:34,480 --> 01:49:36,560
moving forward concurrently while we're

2832
01:49:36,560 --> 01:49:39,360
also hiring and recruiting for chief.

2833
01:49:39,360 --> 01:49:42,960
>> Sounds good. Uh questions, Vice Mayor

2834
01:49:42,960 --> 01:49:44,560
Thomas?

2835
01:49:44,560 --> 01:49:46,960
>> No, I think it's a critical next step.

2836
01:49:46,960 --> 01:49:48,560
We got to have a we got to have a

2837
01:49:48,560 --> 01:49:51,199
facility for it and remodeling this

2838
01:49:51,199 --> 01:49:53,040
facility

2839
01:49:53,040 --> 01:49:56,400
is from everything that I could see the

2840
01:49:56,400 --> 01:50:00,790
most efficient cost

2841
01:50:00,800 --> 01:50:02,880
that we could have. So, I would support

2842
01:50:02,880 --> 01:50:05,040
this.

2843
01:50:05,040 --> 01:50:06,000
Council member,

2844
01:50:06,000 --> 01:50:08,560
>> I I I don't disagree, but as we've

2845
01:50:08,560 --> 01:50:11,360
talked in the past, my concern is just

2846
01:50:11,360 --> 01:50:14,320
um you know, getting there, so to speak.

2847
01:50:14,320 --> 01:50:16,080
So, if we're going to be completely

2848
01:50:16,080 --> 01:50:18,320
renovating the 4,500 square ft, that

2849
01:50:18,320 --> 01:50:19,760
means our offices are going to be

2850
01:50:19,760 --> 01:50:22,239
completely displaced. So, you know, what

2851
01:50:22,239 --> 01:50:25,280
is going to be the cost of, you know,

2852
01:50:25,280 --> 01:50:27,600
modulars, moving all the technology,

2853
01:50:27,600 --> 01:50:30,400
making bathrooms, all of the things for

2854
01:50:30,400 --> 01:50:35,520
our employees while we renovate it. So I mean I get we have to do it but I you

2855
01:50:35,520 --> 01:50:37,440
know specifically you know what's the

2856
01:50:37,440 --> 01:50:39,520
cost of the temporary quarters? What's

2857
01:50:39,520 --> 01:50:41,920
the cost of disruption of services? You

2858
01:50:41,920 --> 01:50:43,280
know how long does it take to move

2859
01:50:43,280 --> 01:50:45,199
everybody out? Are we out of service for

2860
01:50:45,199 --> 01:50:47,199
a week? Are we out of service for two

2861
01:50:47,199 --> 01:50:49,360
days? You know what's that cost look

2862
01:50:49,360 --> 01:50:51,600
like? We've purchased new phone systems

2863
01:50:51,600 --> 01:50:53,760
and new systems recently. Is that money

2864
01:50:53,760 --> 01:50:56,159
that now is gone and we have to do

2865
01:50:56,159 --> 01:50:57,600
something different? How do we store

2866
01:50:57,600 --> 01:50:59,040
those things that we've used if we're

2867
01:50:59,040 --> 01:51:00,639
not using them so we don't lose their

2868
01:51:00,639 --> 01:51:02,800
value? How does Tyler Technology

2869
01:51:02,800 --> 01:51:04,800
transition from the building out there?

2870
01:51:04,800 --> 01:51:06,560
How does that impact our building permit

2871
01:51:06,560 --> 01:51:08,719
process, our business license process,

2872
01:51:08,719 --> 01:51:10,880
our budgeting, our payroll? So, I just

2873
01:51:10,880 --> 01:51:12,560
have all these questions which as we do

2874
01:51:12,560 --> 01:51:15,040
an RFQ, you know, to get a cost of

2875
01:51:15,040 --> 01:51:16,400
what's it going to cost to change it?

2876
01:51:16,400 --> 01:51:18,639
It's like what's it going to cost to

2877
01:51:18,639 --> 01:51:21,280
vacate and then go back in and how long

2878
01:51:21,280 --> 01:51:22,800
is that going to be and what effect is

2879
01:51:22,800 --> 01:51:24,639
that going to have on the community as

2880
01:51:24,639 --> 01:51:26,719
well? So, again, we have to do

2881
01:51:26,719 --> 01:51:28,800
something. Um, I was always kind of an

2882
01:51:28,800 --> 01:51:30,239
advocate of seeing if we could do a

2883
01:51:30,239 --> 01:51:31,760
separate building, but it just sounds

2884
01:51:31,760 --> 01:51:33,440
like from law enforcement that even

2885
01:51:33,440 --> 01:51:34,560
though they have law enforcement

2886
01:51:34,560 --> 01:51:37,360
modulars, they're still not safe enough.

2887
01:51:37,360 --> 01:51:39,840
So, that's out. Um, so there's no good

2888
01:51:39,840 --> 01:51:41,599
solutions, but I do see that the

2889
01:51:41,599 --> 01:51:43,119
community would need to be understanding

2890
01:51:43,119 --> 01:51:44,719
that I think we will have a period of

2891
01:51:44,719 --> 01:51:48,400
time where we're maybe limping along a

2892
01:51:48,400 --> 01:51:49,679
bit.

2893
01:51:49,679 --> 01:51:51,599
>> Yeah. And I I would just add to that as

2894
01:51:51,599 --> 01:51:53,679
a person with an urban planning

2895
01:51:53,679 --> 01:51:56,400
background, which I really am a planner.

2896
01:51:56,400 --> 01:51:59,040
This whole process is not comfortable

2897
01:51:59,040 --> 01:52:00,880
because we're not doing exactly what

2898
01:52:00,880 --> 01:52:02,080
you're talking about, Council Member

2899
01:52:02,080 --> 01:52:04,560
Pride. But I also realize we just it

2900
01:52:04,560 --> 01:52:06,080
seems like at this point we just have to

2901
01:52:06,080 --> 01:52:08,000
move, right? So some things have to be

2902
01:52:08,000 --> 01:52:09,679
figured out in real time even though

2903
01:52:09,679 --> 01:52:11,679
it's not my comfort level, but I'm I'm

2904
01:52:11,679 --> 01:52:13,679
just going with it because I feel like

2905
01:52:13,679 --> 01:52:15,199
that's what we got to do. I'm just

2906
01:52:15,199 --> 01:52:17,599
thinking as part of that RFQ depending

2907
01:52:17,599 --> 01:52:20,000
on that expertise that they're also

2908
01:52:20,000 --> 01:52:22,719
aligning for us the modulars the cost to

2909
01:52:22,719 --> 01:52:25,199
move the power hookups the water hookups

2910
01:52:25,199 --> 01:52:27,199
the bathroom facilities moving the

2911
01:52:27,199 --> 01:52:29,520
technology all those things because

2912
01:52:29,520 --> 01:52:31,920
that's a cost that could surprise us if

2913
01:52:31,920 --> 01:52:34,080
we're not making it a quantifiable part

2914
01:52:34,080 --> 01:52:41,189
of that project

2915
01:52:41,199 --> 01:52:43,760
» I it appears that this is the most cost

2916
01:52:43,760 --> 01:52:45,840
effective way to do it. We're kind of

2917
01:52:45,840 --> 01:52:47,840
building the plane as we're we're flying

2918
01:52:47,840 --> 01:52:51,840
it, but um we we have to move forward.

2919
01:52:51,840 --> 01:52:54,480
Um I think we have to I would like to

2920
01:52:54,480 --> 01:52:57,440
get a better idea of maybe what that RFQ

2921
01:52:57,440 --> 01:52:59,520
how we can put it out there where it's

2922
01:52:59,520 --> 01:53:02,480
successful and we get some replies back

2923
01:53:02,480 --> 01:53:05,520
uh because we are in Willows.

2924
01:53:05,520 --> 01:53:06,400
>> Well, both [laughter]

2925
01:53:06,400 --> 01:53:08,800
Mike and I have I have somebody I've

2926
01:53:08,800 --> 01:53:10,400
worked

2927
01:53:10,400 --> 01:53:13,760
multiple department. Mike, you give me

2928
01:53:13,760 --> 01:53:16,159
firms that have got through contacts

2929
01:53:16,159 --> 01:53:17,679
that have built police departments. And

2930
01:53:17,679 --> 01:53:20,320
I think that by narrowing the scope to

2931
01:53:20,320 --> 01:53:21,760
really just focusing on the

2932
01:53:21,760 --> 01:53:23,760
architecture, the design and engineering

2933
01:53:23,760 --> 01:53:25,840
and not trying to do the soft costs and

2934
01:53:25,840 --> 01:53:27,199
the other things that they don't have

2935
01:53:27,199 --> 01:53:29,760
expertise at, I think that we have a

2936
01:53:29,760 --> 01:53:34,000
better shot this time um because we'll be just focusing on what their

2937
01:53:34,000 --> 01:53:35,920
skill set is instead of asking them to

2938
01:53:35,920 --> 01:53:40,080
other outside of the realm.

2939
01:53:40,080 --> 01:53:41,760
Just another thought as I was talking

2940
01:53:41,760 --> 01:53:44,320
about modular buildings not meeting

2941
01:53:44,320 --> 01:53:46,880
requirements for law enforcement as we

2942
01:53:46,880 --> 01:53:48,639
talk to them maybe keep in the back of

2943
01:53:48,639 --> 01:53:50,480
our mind that what would it look like to

2944
01:53:50,480 --> 01:53:53,599
do modular buildings for administration

2945
01:53:53,599 --> 01:53:56,560
and and put law enforcement more in here

2946
01:53:56,560 --> 01:53:58,719
and and and and just maybe I mean just

2947
01:53:58,719 --> 01:54:00,560
as an option maybe not do all the

2948
01:54:00,560 --> 01:54:02,800
structural complete renovations if we

2949
01:54:02,800 --> 01:54:04,320
have to do some kind of modulars and

2950
01:54:04,320 --> 01:54:07,040
temporary buildings anyway what would be

2951
01:54:07,040 --> 01:54:08,880
the difference between doing it short

2952
01:54:08,880 --> 01:54:12,639
term versus just doing it long term. So

2953
01:54:12,639 --> 01:54:14,480
instead of moving putting police out

2954
01:54:14,480 --> 01:54:17,280
there, putting admin and tying it all

2955
01:54:17,280 --> 01:54:19,040
together nicely. So any of you working

2956
01:54:19,040 --> 01:54:20,400
in the office don't feel like you're in

2957
01:54:20,400 --> 01:54:23,119
the boonies or anything, but just

2958
01:54:23,119 --> 01:54:25,599
looking at those two, you know, flip it

2959
01:54:25,599 --> 01:54:31,109
type thing.

2960
01:54:31,119 --> 01:54:32,880
» Yeah, thank you, Mr. Mayor. Well, this

2961
01:54:32,880 --> 01:54:35,760
uh I understand uh your concerns, Lori.

2962
01:54:35,760 --> 01:54:40,080
I completely understand and they are legitimate concerns. And uh

2963
01:54:40,080 --> 01:54:42,560
John, I appreciate what you just said.

2964
01:54:42,560 --> 01:54:46,000
Uh this building built 1969

2965
01:54:46,000 --> 01:54:49,280
has a lot of angles in it. There's

2966
01:54:49,280 --> 01:54:51,360
triangle rooms, there's angled rooms,

2967
01:54:51,360 --> 01:54:53,599
there's, as we know, there there's a

2968
01:54:53,599 --> 01:54:55,520
this is a beautiful council chamber.

2969
01:54:55,520 --> 01:54:58,960
Nice and roomy. But uh the acoustics are

2970
01:54:58,960 --> 01:55:00,239
a little difficult up here. But no, you

2971
01:55:00,239 --> 01:55:03,280
can't nothing's perfect. But there's,

2972
01:55:03,280 --> 01:55:05,119
you know, really wide hallways. There

2973
01:55:05,119 --> 01:55:06,560
just a lot of wasted space, not to

2974
01:55:06,560 --> 01:55:09,040
mention the angled rooms and and the

2975
01:55:09,040 --> 01:55:12,719
hallways and and you know, anyway,

2976
01:55:12,719 --> 01:55:14,719
formerly housed a police department and

2977
01:55:14,719 --> 01:55:17,599
the the Willis PD actually out had

2978
01:55:17,599 --> 01:55:19,440
outgrown the old facilities where they

2979
01:55:19,440 --> 01:55:23,440
were at. Willis PD was initially put in the back of when this building was

2980
01:55:23,440 --> 01:55:25,760
built in 1969.

2981
01:55:25,760 --> 01:55:26,639
I don't know why the police department

2982
01:55:26,639 --> 01:55:28,400
firm was put in the back parking lot,

2983
01:55:28,400 --> 01:55:31,119
but that's where it was. Okay. Or most

2984
01:55:31,119 --> 01:55:32,400
people in Willows didn't even know where

2985
01:55:32,400 --> 01:55:33,679
the police department was. They'd go to

2986
01:55:33,679 --> 01:55:34,880
the sheriff's office because they didn't

2987
01:55:34,880 --> 01:55:37,760
know where the PD was. So anyway, so

2988
01:55:37,760 --> 01:55:39,280
that's not going to happen next time.

2989
01:55:39,280 --> 01:55:40,800
But there's a lot of wasted space in

2990
01:55:40,800 --> 01:55:43,119
here. I have faith in our city team.

2991
01:55:43,119 --> 01:55:45,440
They're resilient. They have to be to to

2992
01:55:45,440 --> 01:55:48,560
work here, right? We're This is a You

2993
01:55:48,560 --> 01:55:50,480
know, this is this is Willows. All

2994
01:55:50,480 --> 01:55:53,440
right. Uh it's it's uh you know this is

2995
01:55:53,440 --> 01:55:55,679
a unique unique situation. Our team's

2996
01:55:55,679 --> 01:55:57,360
resilient. They're going to get this

2997
01:55:57,360 --> 01:55:59,920
done. Uh we've got the throttle the

2998
01:55:59,920 --> 01:56:02,480
throttle uh full full forward. All

2999
01:56:02,480 --> 01:56:04,639
right. We're going as fast as we can.

3000
01:56:04,639 --> 01:56:07,040
This is the best solution right here. We

3001
01:56:07,040 --> 01:56:09,679
have the room in the building. I I I

3002
01:56:09,679 --> 01:56:11,440
know that the team will uh be able to

3003
01:56:11,440 --> 01:56:13,760
make it work. It's going to be, you

3004
01:56:13,760 --> 01:56:15,360
know, things are going to be uh in

3005
01:56:15,360 --> 01:56:17,840
turmoil for a few months, but we'll get

3006
01:56:17,840 --> 01:56:22,400
it done. And we we need we need to uh

3007
01:56:22,400 --> 01:56:24,960
you know to establish uh police

3008
01:56:24,960 --> 01:56:30,560
facilities that are adequate uh for the agency for the community and we need

3009
01:56:30,560 --> 01:56:31,920
to get this done for the community as

3010
01:56:31,920 --> 01:56:33,679
fast as we can. So I'm in complete

3011
01:56:33,679 --> 01:56:35,280
agreement of moving forward with this.

3012
01:56:35,280 --> 01:56:36,960
Let's get some uh some talent out there

3013
01:56:36,960 --> 01:56:39,199
and make it work. Uh will will there be

3014
01:56:39,199 --> 01:56:40,719
bumps in the road? Oh, absolutely. There

3015
01:56:40,719 --> 01:56:44,480
always is. But we'll get through it.

3016
01:56:44,480 --> 01:56:45,280
>> Ahead, Mr. Mayor.

3017
01:56:45,280 --> 01:56:47,920
>> Uh I do have a question. The back room

3018
01:56:47,920 --> 01:56:49,760
of the library that was used for

3019
01:56:49,760 --> 01:56:53,440
storage. No, that room. The other side

3020
01:56:53,440 --> 01:56:54,000
of this wall.

3021
01:56:54,000 --> 01:56:54,960
>> Get turned around.

3022
01:56:54,960 --> 01:56:59,040
>> Yeah. Um, is that filled with stuff

3023
01:56:59,040 --> 01:57:01,360
already? I don't wander back there, so I

3024
01:57:01,360 --> 01:57:01,840
didn't know.

3025
01:57:01,840 --> 01:57:04,880
>> Uh, I mean, the city librarian has

3026
01:57:04,880 --> 01:57:06,400
definitely settled into that space for

3027
01:57:06,400 --> 01:57:08,800
sure. Yeah, her office is back there.

3028
01:57:08,800 --> 01:57:10,480
>> There's lots of bookshelves back there.

3029
01:57:10,480 --> 01:57:13,199
And then I would say twothirds of it is

3030
01:57:13,199 --> 01:57:15,360
the new sort of creative maker space,

3031
01:57:15,360 --> 01:57:18,159
art space for youth, young people.

3032
01:57:18,159 --> 01:57:20,000
>> I was just trying to I I knew it was a

3033
01:57:20,000 --> 01:57:24,560
lot of storage space and kind of dead space. I know after we had the

3034
01:57:24,560 --> 01:57:25,199
>> anymore.

3035
01:57:25,199 --> 01:57:26,080
>> No, it's actually

3036
01:57:26,080 --> 01:57:27,520
>> Well, and I was just kind of hoping that

3037
01:57:27,520 --> 01:57:29,679
we could possibly use that to move you

3038
01:57:29,679 --> 01:57:30,960
guys instead of having to look at

3039
01:57:30,960 --> 01:57:32,639
renting modules or whatever for you to

3040
01:57:32,639 --> 01:57:36,320
use. So, um that's why I was just asking

3041
01:57:36,320 --> 01:57:40,080
that question. So um with that I will go

3042
01:57:40,080 --> 01:57:42,000
to public comment regarding item 7B

3043
01:57:42,000 --> 01:57:43,440
request for qualifications tenant

3044
01:57:43,440 --> 01:57:44,560
improvements of civic center to

3045
01:57:44,560 --> 01:57:46,880
reestablish Willow's police department.

3046
01:57:46,880 --> 01:57:52,950
>> Michelle Knight

3047
01:57:52,960 --> 01:57:54,560
» first I'd like to express my full

3048
01:57:54,560 --> 01:57:56,320
support for beginning the process for

3049
01:57:56,320 --> 01:57:57,920
making improvements retrofitting and

3050
01:57:57,920 --> 01:57:59,520
reestablishing the Willows Police

3051
01:57:59,520 --> 01:58:02,239
Department space. Within the discussion

3052
01:58:02,239 --> 01:58:04,239
and analysis section of the attached

3053
01:58:04,239 --> 01:58:05,840
document, it states, "Based on this

3054
01:58:05,840 --> 01:58:08,239
assessment, staff recommend proceeding

3055
01:58:08,239 --> 01:58:11,119
with a new request for uh qualifications

3056
01:58:11,119 --> 01:58:14,159
to solicit a qualified architectural an

3057
01:58:14,159 --> 01:58:17,040
engineering firm to work with city staff

3058
01:58:17,040 --> 01:58:19,280
to develop plans and specifications for

3059
01:58:19,280 --> 01:58:20,639
tenant improvements within the south

3060
01:58:20,639 --> 01:58:22,880
wing of the civic center. I sincerely

3061
01:58:22,880 --> 01:58:25,119
hope that the city will include Mr.

3062
01:58:25,119 --> 01:58:27,199
Maloney and or the future police chief

3063
01:58:27,199 --> 01:58:29,599
as active participants in the city staff

3064
01:58:29,599 --> 01:58:30,960
team.

3065
01:58:30,960 --> 01:58:32,800
responsible for evaluating, developing,

3066
01:58:32,800 --> 01:58:34,400
and approving these plans. Their

3067
01:58:34,400 --> 01:58:36,560
involvement would provide valuable

3068
01:58:36,560 --> 01:58:37,920
operational and law enforcement

3069
01:58:37,920 --> 01:58:39,599
expertise that may not otherwise be

3070
01:58:39,599 --> 01:58:43,360
available through general city staff.

3071
01:58:43,360 --> 01:58:45,679
I also believe that the public should

3072
01:58:45,679 --> 01:58:47,440
have an opportunity to understand and

3073
01:58:47,440 --> 01:58:49,360
review these recommendations as the

3074
01:58:49,360 --> 01:58:51,199
planning process moves forward. The

3075
01:58:51,199 --> 01:58:53,360
reestablishment

3076
01:58:53,360 --> 01:58:56,400
uh the reestablishment of the police

3077
01:58:56,400 --> 01:58:57,840
department presents a significant

3078
01:58:57,840 --> 01:58:59,599
opportunity throughout the design

3079
01:58:59,599 --> 01:59:02,320
opportunity

3080
01:59:02,320 --> 01:59:03,440
to [laughter]

3081
01:59:03,440 --> 01:59:06,159
sorry to thoughtfully design a facility

3082
01:59:06,159 --> 01:59:07,840
that will meet the department's

3083
01:59:07,840 --> 01:59:09,840
operational needs not only today but

3084
01:59:09,840 --> 01:59:12,239
well into the future. My opinion,

3085
01:59:12,239 --> 01:59:14,159
investing additional resources during

3086
01:59:14,159 --> 01:59:16,080
the planning and design phase to ensure

3087
01:59:16,080 --> 01:59:18,080
that the facility is properly designed

3088
01:59:18,080 --> 01:59:20,960
from the outset can ultimately save the

3089
01:59:20,960 --> 01:59:22,880
city considerable costs associated with

3090
01:59:22,880 --> 01:59:24,719
modifications, retrofitting or

3091
01:59:24,719 --> 01:59:27,599
corrective work later. More importantly,

3092
01:59:27,599 --> 01:59:29,360
involving individuals with direct law

3093
01:59:29,360 --> 01:59:31,679
enforcement experience may help identify

3094
01:59:31,679 --> 01:59:33,440
operational safety and security

3095
01:59:33,440 --> 01:59:36,159
regulatory and statutory requirements

3096
01:59:36,159 --> 01:59:38,800
that general citiz city staff or outside

3097
01:59:38,800 --> 01:59:40,560
professionals may not otherwise

3098
01:59:40,560 --> 01:59:42,639
recognize. By incorporating the

3099
01:59:42,639 --> 01:59:44,639
expertise of Mr. Maloney and or the

3100
01:59:44,639 --> 01:59:46,400
future police chief. Early in the

3101
01:59:46,400 --> 01:59:48,080
planning process, the city can help

3102
01:59:48,080 --> 01:59:49,840
ensure that the facility is designed

3103
01:59:49,840 --> 01:59:52,000
correctly the first time, minimizing

3104
01:59:52,000 --> 01:59:54,000
unnecessary future expenditures and

3105
01:59:54,000 --> 01:59:55,599
provides an effective and appropriate

3106
01:59:55,599 --> 01:59:57,360
environment for the reestablishment of

3107
01:59:57,360 --> 02:00:01,199
the police department. Thank you.

3108
02:00:01,199 --> 02:00:04,320
>> Okay. Thank you. And then Isaiah, I

3109
02:00:04,320 --> 02:00:06,960
believe this is the one that I had.

3110
02:00:06,960 --> 02:00:08,719
Okay,

3111
02:00:08,719 --> 02:00:11,360
that's it. Okay, with that, uh, council

3112
02:00:11,360 --> 02:00:14,239
comments. Vice Mayor Thomas.

3113
02:00:14,239 --> 02:00:18,480
>> No, I would move to approve item 7B as

3114
02:00:18,480 --> 02:00:19,920
presented.

3115
02:00:19,920 --> 02:00:21,119
>> I'll second that.

3116
02:00:21,119 --> 02:00:22,480
>> Have a first and a second. Any further

3117
02:00:22,480 --> 02:00:24,960
discussion?

3118
02:00:24,960 --> 02:00:27,599
>> Mr. All in favor signify by saying I.

3119
02:00:27,599 --> 02:00:28,400
>> I. I.

3120
02:00:28,400 --> 02:00:30,400
>> All oppose. Same sign. Motion pass 5 to

3121
02:00:30,400 --> 02:00:32,000
zero.

3122
02:00:32,000 --> 02:00:34,080
Next item up, item 7 C, neighborhood

3123
02:00:34,080 --> 02:00:35,760
watch program, authorizes city manager

3124
02:00:35,760 --> 02:00:37,920
to execute an agreement with Crime-Free

3125
02:00:37,920 --> 02:00:40,480
Living to assist the city of Willows in

3126
02:00:40,480 --> 02:00:41,840
establishing a neighborhood watch

3127
02:00:41,840 --> 02:00:43,599
program and the amount not to exceed

3128
02:00:43,599 --> 02:00:45,280
$16,000.

3129
02:00:45,280 --> 02:00:47,520
Contact Marty Brown, city manager.

3130
02:00:47,520 --> 02:00:49,119
>> So, I'm not going to do a presentation

3131
02:00:49,119 --> 02:00:52,880
because I did one last time, but this is back on the agenda at the

3132
02:00:52,880 --> 02:00:55,280
direction of Mayor Hudson, and I believe

3133
02:00:55,280 --> 02:00:57,280
it also was mentioned uh at the meeting

3134
02:00:57,280 --> 02:00:59,440
to continue it to this meeting. So

3135
02:00:59,440 --> 02:01:01,119
nothing has changed since the last

3136
02:01:01,119 --> 02:01:02,560
recommendation in the last council

3137
02:01:02,560 --> 02:01:05,199
meeting, nor has the budget for it. And

3138
02:01:05,199 --> 02:01:07,119
I think it's unless you've got specific

3139
02:01:07,119 --> 02:01:08,320
questions, I think it's just open for

3140
02:01:08,320 --> 02:01:10,960
council discussion and consideration.

3141
02:01:10,960 --> 02:01:14,400
>> Okay. Um,

3142
02:01:14,400 --> 02:01:15,840
any questions from the council? Vice

3143
02:01:15,840 --> 02:01:17,920
Mayor Thomas?

3144
02:01:17,920 --> 02:01:20,420
>> No. As I said before, if the

3145
02:01:20,420 --> 02:01:23,360
[clears throat] grassroots

3146
02:01:23,360 --> 02:01:25,199
coalition gets off the ground and

3147
02:01:25,199 --> 02:01:28,239
they're functioning well and their their

3148
02:01:28,239 --> 02:01:31,280
group is held together and it's actually

3149
02:01:31,280 --> 02:01:34,719
happening, um I'm worried that

3150
02:01:34,719 --> 02:01:37,119
grassroots sometimes start real strong

3151
02:01:37,119 --> 02:01:39,599
and then they they fade with

3152
02:01:39,599 --> 02:01:41,280
participation.

3153
02:01:41,280 --> 02:01:42,880
Um, I'm not saying that's what's going

3154
02:01:42,880 --> 02:01:48,159
to happen, but um, I'm not opposed to

3155
02:01:48,159 --> 02:01:51,280
the city contributing towards this

3156
02:01:51,280 --> 02:01:54,960
particular neighborhood watch program,

3157
02:01:54,960 --> 02:01:57,760
but I would want to make sure that once

3158
02:01:57,760 --> 02:02:00,239
we expend the $16,000,

3159
02:02:00,239 --> 02:02:02,159
it's continues

3160
02:02:02,159 --> 02:02:04,400
and we have some asurances that the

3161
02:02:04,400 --> 02:02:07,360
program is is on its way.

3162
02:02:07,360 --> 02:02:09,679
I was unfortunate unable to attend the

3163
02:02:09,679 --> 02:02:11,440
town hall. So I don't know how many

3164
02:02:11,440 --> 02:02:14,719
people you had there and and what went

3165
02:02:14,719 --> 02:02:17,119
down and what was the nature of the

3166
02:02:17,119 --> 02:02:20,480
enthusiasm for such establishment.

3167
02:02:20,480 --> 02:02:22,080
>> Well, I'll just pick up where he left

3168
02:02:22,080 --> 02:02:24,400
off because I was able to go to the town

3169
02:02:24,400 --> 02:02:27,040
hall. Um and Tim Trouy was there which

3170
02:02:27,040 --> 02:02:28,880
was great. So he was able to do a

3171
02:02:28,880 --> 02:02:30,480
presentation for those that

3172
02:02:30,480 --> 02:02:33,440
participated. What I found interesting,

3173
02:02:33,440 --> 02:02:35,520
I think I didn't count, but Marina said

3174
02:02:35,520 --> 02:02:38,159
there were 39 people in attendance. And

3175
02:02:38,159 --> 02:02:39,679
as I looked at the crowd, I would say

3176
02:02:39,679 --> 02:02:41,440
over half of them did not live in the

3177
02:02:41,440 --> 02:02:43,840
city limits. They lived in northeast

3178
02:02:43,840 --> 02:02:47,360
Willows, North Willows, west of Willows,

3179
02:02:47,360 --> 02:02:50,400
but not in Willows. When um they asked

3180
02:02:50,400 --> 02:02:52,480
how many people would be supportive of a

3181
02:02:52,480 --> 02:02:54,159
neighborhood watch program, several

3182
02:02:54,159 --> 02:02:56,000
people rose raised their hands. and then

3183
02:02:56,000 --> 02:02:58,000
they asked to wait a minute those of you

3184
02:02:58,000 --> 02:03:00,400
who live in Willows and I think 11

3185
02:03:00,400 --> 02:03:03,599
people raised their hands. So overall I

3186
02:03:03,599 --> 02:03:06,159
think it was a a well done presentation.

3187
02:03:06,159 --> 02:03:10,080
Um I think there's merit to the concept.

3188
02:03:10,080 --> 02:03:12,400
I think for me if I was going to say

3189
02:03:12,400 --> 02:03:14,400
let's spend some money on a consultant

3190
02:03:14,400 --> 02:03:16,480
to help guide that process and I'm

3191
02:03:16,480 --> 02:03:18,320
looking at Michelle and and Cat because

3192
02:03:18,320 --> 02:03:19,679
they're some of the leaders of that

3193
02:03:19,679 --> 02:03:22,639
effort. I I think you had 200 people, I

3194
02:03:22,639 --> 02:03:24,480
think they said, from Facebook who said,

3195
02:03:24,480 --> 02:03:26,480
you know, we're interested, but but

3196
02:03:26,480 --> 02:03:28,400
again, we only had the people show up

3197
02:03:28,400 --> 02:03:31,360
who showed up. That's a function of the

3198
02:03:31,360 --> 02:03:34,000
night or whatever. But I but I think for

3199
02:03:34,000 --> 02:03:35,520
me sitting up here as a council looking

3200
02:03:35,520 --> 02:03:38,159
at $16,000, I would go back to your

3201
02:03:38,159 --> 02:03:39,840
group and say, you know, let's do a

3202
02:03:39,840 --> 02:03:41,920
little more work and let's see who we

3203
02:03:41,920 --> 02:03:44,639
can seriously get to the table that if

3204
02:03:44,639 --> 02:03:47,679
we can commit loosely at this point that

3205
02:03:47,679 --> 02:03:49,920
we agree that it's something that could

3206
02:03:49,920 --> 02:03:52,320
move forward positively, but we really

3207
02:03:52,320 --> 02:03:54,480
need to see that commitment. I know Tim

3208
02:03:54,480 --> 02:03:56,639
said it's important to have um these

3209
02:03:56,639 --> 02:03:58,560
watch groups distributed throughout the

3210
02:03:58,560 --> 02:04:00,639
community. I don't think we saw that at

3211
02:04:00,639 --> 02:04:02,639
the town hall meeting. So I think

3212
02:04:02,639 --> 02:04:05,360
getting very specific about reaching and

3213
02:04:05,360 --> 02:04:06,960
I don't know the terminology and

3214
02:04:06,960 --> 02:04:08,800
neighborhood watch but you know finding

3215
02:04:08,800 --> 02:04:14,159
that person that would agree to be the the captain or whoever for their

3216
02:04:14,159 --> 02:04:16,080
neighborhood and build a little bit more

3217
02:04:16,080 --> 02:04:18,159
of a grassroots effort and then come

3218
02:04:18,159 --> 02:04:20,080
back to the council and say we're ready

3219
02:04:20,080 --> 02:04:21,920
now to have some more leadership and

3220
02:04:21,920 --> 02:04:23,760
training and direction and in the

3221
02:04:23,760 --> 02:04:25,119
meantime you're just doing that you're

3222
02:04:25,119 --> 02:04:28,159
just building true um support and

3223
02:04:28,159 --> 02:04:30,239
commitment because that would be a

3224
02:04:30,239 --> 02:04:31,760
shared concern I have you know everyone

3225
02:04:31,760 --> 02:04:34,159
everyone's gung-ho and we start down the

3226
02:04:34,159 --> 02:04:35,840
path and we've expended the money and

3227
02:04:35,840 --> 02:04:39,119
then it just kind of falters. I I like

3228
02:04:39,119 --> 02:04:41,199
the idea also of just our timing with

3229
02:04:41,199 --> 02:04:42,880
bringing back law enforcement because

3230
02:04:42,880 --> 02:04:45,280
that question was asked as well. It's

3231
02:04:45,280 --> 02:04:47,119
like well I don't know who the lady who

3232
02:04:47,119 --> 02:04:49,920
said it. She goes, "Well, who who who do

3233
02:04:49,920 --> 02:04:52,159
we go to for law enforcement?" And and

3234
02:04:52,159 --> 02:04:53,599
the consultant said, "That's a good

3235
02:04:53,599 --> 02:04:54,639
question. You know, that's something

3236
02:04:54,639 --> 02:04:56,719
we're working on." So, I see the

3237
02:04:56,719 --> 02:04:58,719
opportunity to do a really dovetailed

3238
02:04:58,719 --> 02:05:00,560
thing where you're building support in

3239
02:05:00,560 --> 02:05:03,040
the community. We're building, you know,

3240
02:05:03,040 --> 02:05:04,480
getting to where we have a a law

3241
02:05:04,480 --> 02:05:07,040
enforcement agency coming on board. As

3242
02:05:07,040 --> 02:05:09,360
we move those both forward and we can

3243
02:05:09,360 --> 02:05:11,920
then invest money into the program, then

3244
02:05:11,920 --> 02:05:13,760
it's something that maybe law

3245
02:05:13,760 --> 02:05:16,000
enforcement is then able to become the

3246
02:05:16,000 --> 02:05:18,639
watchdog, you know, the

3247
02:05:18,639 --> 02:05:20,719
who they go to. So, that would be my

3248
02:05:20,719 --> 02:05:22,800
take on it. I I also said the

3249
02:05:22,800 --> 02:05:24,960
opportunity and and Chief Monk, this is

3250
02:05:24,960 --> 02:05:27,360
kind of your cup of tea is if we had a

3251
02:05:27,360 --> 02:05:29,520
neighborhood watch program and as we

3252
02:05:29,520 --> 02:05:32,400
finalize our Willow's municipal code, my

3253
02:05:32,400 --> 02:05:34,159
goal when we get that finalized is that

3254
02:05:34,159 --> 02:05:35,920
we're doing a lot of education about our

3255
02:05:35,920 --> 02:05:37,599
code, but if we have a neighborhood

3256
02:05:37,599 --> 02:05:39,840
watch program, why not also train these

3257
02:05:39,840 --> 02:05:42,159
people into maybe code type stuff? they

3258
02:05:42,159 --> 02:05:44,800
can be neighborhood watch for, you know,

3259
02:05:44,800 --> 02:05:47,119
those nuisances that start to create and

3260
02:05:47,119 --> 02:05:49,040
maybe they can nip it in the bud much

3261
02:05:49,040 --> 02:05:51,520
sooner than it coming to a city code

3262
02:05:51,520 --> 02:05:53,679
enforcement thing. So, I can see where

3263
02:05:53,679 --> 02:05:56,000
engaging these citizens in their

3264
02:05:56,000 --> 02:05:58,320
neighborhoods could be a very positive

3265
02:05:58,320 --> 02:06:00,159
thing on many levels, but I would want

3266
02:06:00,159 --> 02:06:04,400
to see more people in the seat saying, "Yes, we

3267
02:06:04,400 --> 02:06:07,119
really do want to commit to this."

3268
02:06:07,119 --> 02:06:08,480
Council Merllo,

3269
02:06:08,480 --> 02:06:10,639
>> I can appreciate the grassroots effort

3270
02:06:10,639 --> 02:06:13,360
by those in the community wanting to

3271
02:06:13,360 --> 02:06:15,360
provide some solutions there. There's

3272
02:06:15,360 --> 02:06:17,840
some real work going on there. I also

3273
02:06:17,840 --> 02:06:20,560
understand that the city council has

3274
02:06:20,560 --> 02:06:22,560
tasked the staff with coming up with

3275
02:06:22,560 --> 02:06:25,920
solutions uh to provide some security,

3276
02:06:25,920 --> 02:06:28,239
some ideas how to protect the community

3277
02:06:28,239 --> 02:06:31,360
and and this was staff's recommendation.

3278
02:06:31,360 --> 02:06:35,599
Um, I I would like to see some more time

3279
02:06:35,599 --> 02:06:38,320
uh and and give the community some time

3280
02:06:38,320 --> 02:06:40,400
to to work on this and see how it turns

3281
02:06:40,400 --> 02:06:42,960
out before we commit to spending this

3282
02:06:42,960 --> 02:06:44,639
money.

3283
02:06:44,639 --> 02:06:45,599
>> Council Hansen.

3284
02:06:45,599 --> 02:06:47,040
>> Yeah. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I agree with

3285
02:06:47,040 --> 02:06:48,960
my colleagues. I I I was on the fence

3286
02:06:48,960 --> 02:06:52,079
last time. I remembered I I I generally

3287
02:06:52,079 --> 02:06:55,920
asked the individuals that were here if if you wanted to help, then sure, I'd

3288
02:06:55,920 --> 02:06:58,159
be in favor of it. and and Cat and

3289
02:06:58,159 --> 02:07:00,639
Michelle, if you know, really I'll I ask

3290
02:07:00,639 --> 02:07:03,920
the same thing. Oh, you know, if if you

3291
02:07:03,920 --> 02:07:05,679
want if you want the professional help,

3292
02:07:05,679 --> 02:07:08,239
I'd be in favor of it. If we need to do

3293
02:07:08,239 --> 02:07:10,960
some more uh you know, if if the groups

3294
02:07:10,960 --> 02:07:14,719
need to do some more ground work, u I'd

3295
02:07:14,719 --> 02:07:17,920
be in favor, you know, what whatever is best for the community.

3296
02:07:17,920 --> 02:07:19,520
That's that's where I'm at. Like, how's

3297
02:07:19,520 --> 02:07:21,679
that for a non-answer? I could go either

3298
02:07:21,679 --> 02:07:24,719
way. if uh you know neighborhood watch

3299
02:07:24,719 --> 02:07:27,599
programs are are great but obviously you

3300
02:07:27,599 --> 02:07:29,280
have to have the involvement and the and

3301
02:07:29,280 --> 02:07:31,520
the sustained involvement and it would

3302
02:07:31,520 --> 02:07:33,119
be great to have the professional you

3303
02:07:33,119 --> 02:07:36,639
know coordination help as well I so u

3304
02:07:36,639 --> 02:07:38,079
just to make sure it you know it's

3305
02:07:38,079 --> 02:07:40,639
operated efficiently and correctly but

3306
02:07:40,639 --> 02:07:45,360
that's where I'm at if if I don't know I generally try to answer questions

3307
02:07:45,360 --> 02:07:48,000
directly I probably I'm probably not

3308
02:07:48,000 --> 02:07:49,520
answering this question very well at all

3309
02:07:49,520 --> 02:07:51,280
but looks like I'm walking the fence but

3310
02:07:51,280 --> 02:07:53,440
that's where I'm at. So if if the group

3311
02:07:53,440 --> 02:07:55,679
wants to help, I'd be in favor of it. Uh

3312
02:07:55,679 --> 02:07:58,079
fully supportive. If the group doesn't

3313
02:07:58,079 --> 02:07:59,599
want the help yet and wants to hold off

3314
02:07:59,599 --> 02:08:03,280
for a while, that's that's where I'm at.

3315
02:08:03,280 --> 02:08:07,669
That's all I had. Mayor,

3316
02:08:07,679 --> 02:08:09,679
um I have no questions, so we will go to

3317
02:08:09,679 --> 02:08:11,119
public comment.

3318
02:08:11,119 --> 02:08:16,470
>> Kathleen Weise.

3319
02:08:16,480 --> 02:08:17,679
» Thank you, Lori, for coming to our

3320
02:08:17,679 --> 02:08:20,400
meeting. We really appreciate it. Um the

3321
02:08:20,400 --> 02:08:22,639
night we had our town hall meeting, um

3322
02:08:22,639 --> 02:08:26,239
we had county members who showed to want

3323
02:08:26,239 --> 02:08:28,880
to help our our city here. Um which is

3324
02:08:28,880 --> 02:08:31,199
great, but they also want community help

3325
02:08:31,199 --> 02:08:32,719
out there too in their own little

3326
02:08:32,719 --> 02:08:36,000
community. Um we would appreciate the

3327
02:08:36,000 --> 02:08:38,480
help. We think this is a great idea, but

3328
02:08:38,480 --> 02:08:41,520
first we have to get enough people here

3329
02:08:41,520 --> 02:08:44,400
envelopes who really want and we all

3330
02:08:44,400 --> 02:08:46,320
understand that it takes time,

3331
02:08:46,320 --> 02:08:49,440
commitment, and everything else. So, I'm

3332
02:08:49,440 --> 02:08:52,239
asking maybe to table this another six

3333
02:08:52,239 --> 02:08:54,320
months to see if we can recruit this if

3334
02:08:54,320 --> 02:08:58,159
the town really wants this help.

3335
02:08:58,159 --> 02:08:59,520
>> And I would just say, you know, it

3336
02:08:59,520 --> 02:09:01,119
doesn't need to wait six months. I would

3337
02:09:01,119 --> 02:09:02,800
say if you're continuing to engage

3338
02:09:02,800 --> 02:09:04,800
people, just keep giving us updates

3339
02:09:04,800 --> 02:09:08,000
through staff. um if there's help that

3340
02:09:08,000 --> 02:09:09,920
we can give in that outreach in any way

3341
02:09:09,920 --> 02:09:12,239
if you're having town hall meetings. Um

3342
02:09:12,239 --> 02:09:14,719
I know I'm you know we don't want to

3343
02:09:14,719 --> 02:09:17,280
just say you know go go do more work and

3344
02:09:17,280 --> 02:09:18,880
I but I just don't want to pay a

3345
02:09:18,880 --> 02:09:20,239
consultant yet unless they're really

3346
02:09:20,239 --> 02:09:21,520
going to be able to go knock on doors

3347
02:09:21,520 --> 02:09:23,679
for you and try and get more people

3348
02:09:23,679 --> 02:09:25,520
>> involved. I agree with all of you

3349
02:09:25,520 --> 02:09:27,840
absolutely. So thank you for your time.

3350
02:09:27,840 --> 02:09:28,079
Okay,

3351
02:09:28,079 --> 02:09:29,520
>> I think you answered my question. Thank

3352
02:09:29,520 --> 02:09:31,119
you.

3353
02:09:31,119 --> 02:09:35,750
Thanks.

3354
02:09:35,760 --> 02:09:39,990
Michelle Knight.

3355
02:09:40,000 --> 02:09:42,400
» Um I too just want to say thank you all

3356
02:09:42,400 --> 02:09:45,599
for um offering that.

3357
02:09:45,599 --> 02:09:48,159
City manager as well. Um it is it does

3358
02:09:48,159 --> 02:09:50,480
appear to be a great program. Just to uh

3359
02:09:50,480 --> 02:09:52,320
let you know that we really appreciated

3360
02:09:52,320 --> 02:09:55,199
Mr. Trouy for coming over and you

3361
02:09:55,199 --> 02:09:59,599
inviting him over. Um it seems really

3362
02:09:59,599 --> 02:10:02,000
well structured and and we really

3363
02:10:02,000 --> 02:10:04,320
appreciated that. Um, but I agree with

3364
02:10:04,320 --> 02:10:06,000
all of you that we should probably hold

3365
02:10:06,000 --> 02:10:09,360
off on this um for now, but um and then

3366
02:10:09,360 --> 02:10:12,000
we can report back. So, thank you.

3367
02:10:12,000 --> 02:10:12,320
>> Thanks.

3368
02:10:12,320 --> 02:10:16,790
>> Thank you, Michelle.

3369
02:10:16,800 --> 02:10:19,040
» Any more public comment?

3370
02:10:19,040 --> 02:10:21,520
Okay. Any more comments? Vice Mayor

3371
02:10:21,520 --> 02:10:22,000
Thomas?

3372
02:10:22,000 --> 02:10:23,360
>> Nope. Council

3373
02:10:23,360 --> 02:10:23,840
>> Pride?

3374
02:10:23,840 --> 02:10:25,840
>> Nope. Council Low.

3375
02:10:25,840 --> 02:10:26,239
>> No.

3376
02:10:26,239 --> 02:10:27,119
>> Council member Hansen.

3377
02:10:27,119 --> 02:10:28,800
>> No. Mr. Mayor. Okay.

3378
02:10:28,800 --> 02:10:31,119
>> Um, yeah. So, I did I do remember at our

3379
02:10:31,119 --> 02:10:32,400
last meeting we did talk about bringing

3380
02:10:32,400 --> 02:10:34,239
this back. Um, initially you guys were

3381
02:10:34,239 --> 02:10:35,360
like, "No, we want to make sure we have

3382
02:10:35,360 --> 02:10:36,880
our meeting and we think we can get this

3383
02:10:36,880 --> 02:10:39,440
going." Um, I do feel like there's a

3384
02:10:39,440 --> 02:10:41,520
little bit of a catch 22 in there. It's

3385
02:10:41,520 --> 02:10:42,719
you guys are trying to start something

3386
02:10:42,719 --> 02:10:44,719
new that really I probably haven't done

3387
02:10:44,719 --> 02:10:46,800
before. I I don't know your background.

3388
02:10:46,800 --> 02:10:49,040
Um, and so I feel like there's a catch22

3389
02:10:49,040 --> 02:10:50,239
in there where hey, you could use the

3390
02:10:50,239 --> 02:10:52,320
expert to this is where you need to get

3391
02:10:52,320 --> 02:10:55,119
started, but then also at the same time,

3392
02:10:55,119 --> 02:10:56,639
we got to get started before we know

3393
02:10:56,639 --> 02:10:59,360
that we have the participation involved.

3394
02:10:59,360 --> 02:11:01,199
Um,

3395
02:11:01,199 --> 02:11:03,760
one thing that is um, I've seen it

3396
02:11:03,760 --> 02:11:05,520
slowly dying as time goes on is

3397
02:11:05,520 --> 02:11:08,000
volunteerism. Um, it's harder and harder

3398
02:11:08,000 --> 02:11:11,119
to find people to volunteer. Um, and so

3399
02:11:11,119 --> 02:11:13,840
that's always a big concern. So, I do

3400
02:11:13,840 --> 02:11:17,360
agree with my constituents that we um or

3401
02:11:17,360 --> 02:11:20,560
my sorry, my council members that we uh

3402
02:11:20,560 --> 02:11:23,280
do keep this in our back pocket. Um

3403
02:11:23,280 --> 02:11:24,560
whether it's something where we go out

3404
02:11:24,560 --> 02:11:26,639
to an outside company to come in and

3405
02:11:26,639 --> 02:11:28,159
help set up the neighborhood watch or

3406
02:11:28,159 --> 02:11:31,599
maybe it's a a factor that the Willis PD

3407
02:11:31,599 --> 02:11:34,239
helps us assemble that as well. Um

3408
02:11:34,239 --> 02:11:36,239
that's a that's also a possibility to

3409
02:11:36,239 --> 02:11:38,000
where hey, we're not paying money out

3410
02:11:38,000 --> 02:11:39,760
instead. We're our officers are

3411
02:11:39,760 --> 02:11:41,040
investing their time into our community

3412
02:11:41,040 --> 02:11:44,079
in that manner as well. Um, so with

3413
02:11:44,079 --> 02:11:45,760
that, I we'll leave it to the pleasure

3414
02:11:45,760 --> 02:11:47,360
of the council. If

3415
02:11:47,360 --> 02:11:49,119
>> I could I just also wanted to mention, I

3416
02:11:49,119 --> 02:11:50,800
didn't mention this before, that Marlina

3417
02:11:50,800 --> 02:11:52,639
Sparkman also asked for this to be on

3418
02:11:52,639 --> 02:11:54,960
tonight's agenda. By the time she had

3419
02:11:54,960 --> 02:11:56,480
done that, you had already confirmed you

3420
02:11:56,480 --> 02:12:00,480
wanted on their mayor. So,

3421
02:12:00,480 --> 02:12:02,000
>> I do apologize. I was not able to make

3422
02:12:02,000 --> 02:12:04,719
that uh meeting that evening. Um, I had

3423
02:12:04,719 --> 02:12:07,280
an accident with one of my kids, so I

3424
02:12:07,280 --> 02:12:11,040
was busy attending there. So, um, yeah.

3425
02:12:11,040 --> 02:12:12,000
So, with that, I'll leave it to the

3426
02:12:12,000 --> 02:12:13,040
pleasure of the council.

3427
02:12:13,040 --> 02:12:14,960
>> I would say that we just let it kind of

3428
02:12:14,960 --> 02:12:17,360
go and um with the intention of you guys

3429
02:12:17,360 --> 02:12:19,360
keeping us informed and if we need to

3430
02:12:19,360 --> 02:12:23,669
bring it back, just let us know.

3431
02:12:23,679 --> 02:12:24,960
» I'd agree to table the matter as well.

3432
02:12:24,960 --> 02:12:27,119
>> Okay. We we'll table this matter and

3433
02:12:27,119 --> 02:12:29,280
wait for

3434
02:12:29,280 --> 02:12:32,000
you guys have a like a Justice League

3435
02:12:32,000 --> 02:12:35,119
name for your group.

3436
02:12:35,119 --> 02:12:36,560
You guys have like a Justice League name

3437
02:12:36,560 --> 02:12:38,480
for your group. What's the

3438
02:12:38,480 --> 02:12:40,400
>> a neighborhood watch group? Did you guys

3439
02:12:40,400 --> 02:12:42,719
come up with like a name community

3440
02:12:42,719 --> 02:12:43,760
watch? Okay, we'll wait for the

3441
02:12:43,760 --> 02:12:45,199
community watch group to bring it back

3442
02:12:45,199 --> 02:12:45,760
to the council.

3443
02:12:45,760 --> 02:12:48,960
>> Are you Willow Strong? Willow Strong.

3444
02:12:48,960 --> 02:12:52,480
>> Okay, like Justice League, right? Sorry,

3445
02:12:52,480 --> 02:12:54,719
I have kids. Comics are big part of my

3446
02:12:54,719 --> 02:12:58,400
life. Um, with that, we will go on to um

3447
02:12:58,400 --> 02:13:00,320
item 7D, city council committee

3448
02:13:00,320 --> 02:13:01,679
assignments and appointments.

3449
02:13:01,679 --> 02:13:03,520
Recommended action with a newly

3450
02:13:03,520 --> 02:13:05,440
appointed council member. Reconsider

3451
02:13:05,440 --> 02:13:07,440
city council committee assignments and

3452
02:13:07,440 --> 02:13:08,800
appoint council members to vacant

3453
02:13:08,800 --> 02:13:10,719
positions.

3454
02:13:10,719 --> 02:13:11,280
All right,

3455
02:13:11,280 --> 02:13:14,366
>> we just go John John.

3456
02:13:14,366 --> 02:13:14,960
[laughter]

3457
02:13:14,960 --> 02:13:16,159
>> Marty, do you have anything to say on

3458
02:13:16,159 --> 02:13:18,239
this or are you just letting us go?

3459
02:13:18,239 --> 02:13:19,520
>> I think letting us loose on it.

3460
02:13:19,520 --> 02:13:20,880
>> Go for it. I just would say that I mean

3461
02:13:20,880 --> 02:13:22,960
it's also an opportunity for you to

3462
02:13:22,960 --> 02:13:25,199
reassign yourselves if you want or if

3463
02:13:25,199 --> 02:13:26,880
you just want to fill the vacancies.

3464
02:13:26,880 --> 02:13:29,440
Keep in mind please that um council

3465
02:13:29,440 --> 02:13:32,639
member Low is also on the municipal code

3466
02:13:32,639 --> 02:13:34,639
ad hoc

3467
02:13:34,639 --> 02:13:36,800
Um, and I also want to remind you that

3468
02:13:36,800 --> 02:13:38,719
you will be doing this process again as

3469
02:13:38,719 --> 02:13:42,159
usual in December. So, um, I mean that's

3470
02:13:42,159 --> 02:13:43,760
only four months away. So, you might

3471
02:13:43,760 --> 02:13:45,599
want to just, you know, right now deal

3472
02:13:45,599 --> 02:13:47,520
with the vacancies.

3473
02:13:47,520 --> 02:13:49,920
That's it.

3474
02:13:49,920 --> 02:13:54,400
>> Okay. Um, with that,

3475
02:13:54,400 --> 02:13:55,920
um,

3476
02:13:55,920 --> 02:13:57,199
I was going to go through the vacancies

3477
02:13:57,199 --> 02:13:58,480
first and then if you guys have any

3478
02:13:58,480 --> 02:13:59,520
other adjustments you would like to

3479
02:13:59,520 --> 02:14:01,760
make, we can start at the top and work

3480
02:14:01,760 --> 02:14:02,480
our way down.

3481
02:14:02,480 --> 02:14:03,520
>> M. Mr. Mayor.

3482
02:14:03,520 --> 02:14:03,840
>> Yes,

3483
02:14:03,840 --> 02:14:08,320
>> if I may, I I'm uh satisfied with with

3484
02:14:08,320 --> 02:14:10,560
my current assignments and I I chair

3485
02:14:10,560 --> 02:14:13,199
some of those some of those committees

3486
02:14:13,199 --> 02:14:15,520
and uh definitely entrenched with them.

3487
02:14:15,520 --> 02:14:18,400
I I'd be comfortable to keep this real

3488
02:14:18,400 --> 02:14:21,599
simple if if my colleagues agree and

3489
02:14:21,599 --> 02:14:25,440
just uh have u uh council member low uh

3490
02:14:25,440 --> 02:14:27,760
assume council member Busby's uh

3491
02:14:27,760 --> 02:14:29,920
appointments with the exception of the

3492
02:14:29,920 --> 02:14:31,599
measure I finance oversight committee

3493
02:14:31,599 --> 02:14:33,360
because you as as the mayor you're the

3494
02:14:33,360 --> 02:14:36,079
alternate with Matt Busby and Rick

3495
02:14:36,079 --> 02:14:38,480
Thomas and now and now yourself Evan you

3496
02:14:38,480 --> 02:14:40,719
and Rick uh because you're you know

3497
02:14:40,719 --> 02:14:43,679
you're uh been on the council for you

3498
02:14:43,679 --> 02:14:46,560
know a significant period of time now

3499
02:14:46,560 --> 02:14:49,840
and uh very you know you as well are

3500
02:14:49,840 --> 02:14:55,920
extremely familiar with the issues and I think that'd be unfair to put John in that position. I'm not saying John

3501
02:14:55,920 --> 02:14:58,320
couldn't couldn't handle it but uh just

3502
02:14:58,320 --> 02:14:59,920
coming on the council you know there is

3503
02:14:59,920 --> 02:15:02,239
a learning curve to uh you know

3504
02:15:02,239 --> 02:15:04,880
municipal government operations. So,

3505
02:15:04,880 --> 02:15:07,440
that's what what uh you I'd be satisfied

3506
02:15:07,440 --> 02:15:09,920
with with like I said, just just having

3507
02:15:09,920 --> 02:15:12,000
John take over Matt's former assignments

3508
02:15:12,000 --> 02:15:13,920
with the exception of the measure I

3509
02:15:13,920 --> 02:15:16,560
oversight and and and as Marty

3510
02:15:16,560 --> 02:15:19,280
indicated, he does have uh a heavy lift

3511
02:15:19,280 --> 02:15:22,960
with the municipal code review uh work

3512
02:15:22,960 --> 02:15:24,560
coming in and that that will definitely

3513
02:15:24,560 --> 02:15:27,679
be an education for you, John.

3514
02:15:27,679 --> 02:15:31,280
>> So, that's that that's my my position,

3515
02:15:31,280 --> 02:15:32,560
just my comments for whatever it's

3516
02:15:32,560 --> 02:15:34,560
worth. Are there any further questions?

3517
02:15:34,560 --> 02:15:36,159
I was just trying to go over the general

3518
02:15:36,159 --> 02:15:38,079
guideline of what I was thinking, but is

3519
02:15:38,079 --> 02:15:40,719
there any questions regarding this item?

3520
02:15:40,719 --> 02:15:42,880
>> I mean, I kind of I mean, to keep it

3521
02:15:42,880 --> 02:15:44,880
just simple and then, you know, John

3522
02:15:44,880 --> 02:15:46,560
could look at those assignments. I was

3523
02:15:46,560 --> 02:15:49,119
thinking what um Council Member Hansen

3524
02:15:49,119 --> 02:15:51,199
said that

3525
02:15:51,199 --> 02:15:52,800
>> you would recommend that the mayor move

3526
02:15:52,800 --> 02:15:54,800
into the primary and maybe John's the

3527
02:15:54,800 --> 02:15:57,040
alternate that they we plug him in there

3528
02:15:57,040 --> 02:16:00,159
still. And then um

3529
02:16:00,159 --> 02:16:01,840
>> just on the Glenn Waste Management

3530
02:16:01,840 --> 02:16:04,320
Regional that's I've been attending and

3531
02:16:04,320 --> 02:16:07,040
there's a meeting Thursday at 10:30

3532
02:16:07,040 --> 02:16:08,960
which I'm planning to attend. So I mean

3533
02:16:08,960 --> 02:16:11,119
if we put you in that spot that would be

3534
02:16:11,119 --> 02:16:12,480
something if you were available you

3535
02:16:12,480 --> 02:16:14,320
could you could still go and listen in

3536
02:16:14,320 --> 02:16:16,239
as opposed to just showing up and they

3537
02:16:16,239 --> 02:16:17,840
don't have a quorum unless I one of us

3538
02:16:17,840 --> 02:16:20,639
go. So you would actually be in the seat

3539
02:16:20,639 --> 02:16:22,880
and voting. So I'm I'm still comfortable

3540
02:16:22,880 --> 02:16:24,400
going to that one. I just wanted to

3541
02:16:24,400 --> 02:16:27,119
mention that's a meeting that's

3542
02:16:27,119 --> 02:16:27,920
>> right after tomorrow.

3543
02:16:27,920 --> 02:16:29,920
>> Okay. Uh is there any public comment

3544
02:16:29,920 --> 02:16:34,399
regarding our committee appointments?

3545
02:16:34,399 --> 02:16:38,559
>> Okay. Um with that, I'm going to go down

3546
02:16:38,559 --> 02:16:40,960
the list as to kind of how I had put it.

3547
02:16:40,960 --> 02:16:42,639
So for the Glen County Waste Management

3548
02:16:42,639 --> 02:16:45,120
Regional Agency, Lori, I had moved you

3549
02:16:45,120 --> 02:16:46,639
up as to the primary since you were the

3550
02:16:46,639 --> 02:16:47,760
alternate and you've been attending

3551
02:16:47,760 --> 02:16:48,479
them.

3552
02:16:48,479 --> 02:16:49,760
>> Um considering that this matter is

3553
02:16:49,760 --> 02:16:52,000
coming back in December, so it's

3554
02:16:52,000 --> 02:16:53,760
>> okay. So you're going up to primary.

3555
02:16:53,760 --> 02:16:55,439
>> I was just going to put you as a primary

3556
02:16:55,439 --> 02:16:57,760
and council member Low would be the

3557
02:16:57,760 --> 02:16:59,679
alternative. Alternate

3558
02:16:59,679 --> 02:17:02,240
>> alternate.

3559
02:17:02,240 --> 02:17:04,399
>> Um

3560
02:17:04,399 --> 02:17:08,000
and then the library board. Council

3561
02:17:08,000 --> 02:17:09,280
member P. I did list you on that one

3562
02:17:09,280 --> 02:17:10,399
because you had been attending the

3563
02:17:10,399 --> 02:17:12,880
meetings as well. And so I was just for

3564
02:17:12,880 --> 02:17:15,040
the sake of you had already been

3565
02:17:15,040 --> 02:17:16,080
attending them. I wanted to at least

3566
02:17:16,080 --> 02:17:18,719
give you the first option to that. I

3567
02:17:18,719 --> 02:17:20,319
have no problem pointing M council

3568
02:17:20,319 --> 02:17:21,760
member Low to that. I just,

3569
02:17:21,760 --> 02:17:22,960
>> you know, I wouldn't mind doing it at

3570
02:17:22,960 --> 02:17:24,719
least till December only because we're

3571
02:17:24,719 --> 02:17:26,399
going to be seating the new board of

3572
02:17:26,399 --> 02:17:28,160
trustees and I wouldn't mind being

3573
02:17:28,160 --> 02:17:29,840
they'll meet in October and there

3574
02:17:29,840 --> 02:17:31,280
probably won't be another meeting until

3575
02:17:31,280 --> 02:17:33,760
we redo committee assignments. So, just

3576
02:17:33,760 --> 02:17:36,559
to see that through maybe for now to

3577
02:17:36,559 --> 02:17:37,519
Yes.

3578
02:17:37,519 --> 02:17:38,000
>> Okay.

3579
02:17:38,000 --> 02:17:39,120
>> have me on that one.

3580
02:17:39,120 --> 02:17:40,880
>> And then city and county economic

3581
02:17:40,880 --> 02:17:43,200
development steering committee. Um I did

3582
02:17:43,200 --> 02:17:45,439
put council member low in there for

3583
02:17:45,439 --> 02:17:47,439
finance and oversight committee meeting.

3584
02:17:47,439 --> 02:17:51,439
Um, I did put council member Low on

3585
02:17:51,439 --> 02:17:53,760
that. Uh, and then I actually took

3586
02:17:53,760 --> 02:17:55,359
myself out of the alternate and put you

3587
02:17:55,359 --> 02:17:57,519
as the alternate for that.

3588
02:17:57,519 --> 02:17:59,040
>> Mhm.

3589
02:17:59,040 --> 02:17:59,599
>> Um,

3590
02:17:59,599 --> 02:18:01,599
>> you're you're no longer the alternate.

3591
02:18:01,599 --> 02:18:03,120
>> I was taking myself out of the alternate

3592
02:18:03,120 --> 02:18:04,559
position because I have not attended any

3593
02:18:04,559 --> 02:18:06,639
of those meetings. I've only watched

3594
02:18:06,639 --> 02:18:10,719
them on YouTube. Um, and I know council

3595
02:18:10,719 --> 02:18:14,479
member Pride has attended them and I'm

3596
02:18:14,479 --> 02:18:17,679
just pointing out the my ability to

3597
02:18:17,679 --> 02:18:19,599
attend some of these meetings. So, and

3598
02:18:19,599 --> 02:18:21,359
just to comment on that, we'll have

3599
02:18:21,359 --> 02:18:22,800
another one coming up, I believe, in

3600
02:18:22,800 --> 02:18:24,559
October, but we've also talked about

3601
02:18:24,559 --> 02:18:26,479
completely restructuring that and I

3602
02:18:26,479 --> 02:18:28,639
would like that to come back to council

3603
02:18:28,639 --> 02:18:29,920
because what's happened with that

3604
02:18:29,920 --> 02:18:32,080
committee is that everything financial

3605
02:18:32,080 --> 02:18:33,679
is being talked about with two council

3606
02:18:33,679 --> 02:18:35,920
members present and then unless all that

3607
02:18:35,920 --> 02:18:37,280
information comes back to the whole

3608
02:18:37,280 --> 02:18:39,120
council, we don't get that same level of

3609
02:18:39,120 --> 02:18:41,519
discussion unless we watch the meeting.

3610
02:18:41,519 --> 02:18:43,519
And so I don't think it was intended to

3611
02:18:43,519 --> 02:18:46,080
really be for measure I transparency and

3612
02:18:46,080 --> 02:18:48,399
then we made it kind of the financial

3613
02:18:48,399 --> 02:18:51,519
but I it's it's not well attended for

3614
02:18:51,519 --> 02:18:53,040
one I think sometimes I'm the only

3615
02:18:53,040 --> 02:18:56,240
person in the audience for two there's a

3616
02:18:56,240 --> 02:18:58,639
lot of staff expending a lot of energy

3617
02:18:58,639 --> 02:19:00,559
on on passing on all this financial

3618
02:19:00,559 --> 02:19:02,559
information to two council members when

3619
02:19:02,559 --> 02:19:05,040
we could be doing POS anyway we talked

3620
02:19:05,040 --> 02:19:07,040
about changing that and I think we need

3621
02:19:07,040 --> 02:19:08,479
to come back and have that discussion

3622
02:19:08,479 --> 02:19:11,120
about how that committee is functioning

3623
02:19:11,120 --> 02:19:13,439
that the council ever came to a firm.

3624
02:19:13,439 --> 02:19:15,439
>> We didn't come to a conclusion. No,

3625
02:19:15,439 --> 02:19:17,359
other than I believe when I went back

3626
02:19:17,359 --> 02:19:19,040
and looked at some of our past minutes,

3627
02:19:19,040 --> 02:19:20,319
we

3628
02:19:20,319 --> 02:19:22,080
>> it was brought up. It was it was brought

3629
02:19:22,080 --> 02:19:23,519
up, but I don't think we ever made a

3630
02:19:23,519 --> 02:19:24,960
decision. It was brought up and it was

3631
02:19:24,960 --> 02:19:26,719
said we need to talk about this more and

3632
02:19:26,719 --> 02:19:28,319
that just has never

3633
02:19:28,319 --> 02:19:30,080
>> I always viewed the finance and measure

3634
02:19:30,080 --> 02:19:31,920
I oversight

3635
02:19:31,920 --> 02:19:34,080
quarterly meetings was for the benefit

3636
02:19:34,080 --> 02:19:38,160
of the citizens show because we outline

3637
02:19:38,160 --> 02:19:40,719
all of the sales tax comes in the

3638
02:19:40,719 --> 02:19:42,719
measure I sales tax and where it all

3639
02:19:42,719 --> 02:19:43,840
goes.

3640
02:19:43,840 --> 02:19:46,719
>> Now it's all available and yes the

3641
02:19:46,719 --> 02:19:48,559
meetings are not very well attended. I

3642
02:19:48,559 --> 02:19:51,359
don't know how many people are online.

3643
02:19:51,359 --> 02:19:54,240
Um, but

3644
02:19:54,240 --> 02:19:56,720
everybody talks about we need forensic

3645
02:19:56,720 --> 02:19:58,720
accounting. We where's the money going?

3646
02:19:58,720 --> 02:20:00,960
Well, this finance committee actually

3647
02:20:00,960 --> 02:20:04,240
tells everybody where it goes.

3648
02:20:04,240 --> 02:20:07,439
And um

3649
02:20:07,439 --> 02:20:09,040
I don't know what the additional staff

3650
02:20:09,040 --> 02:20:12,479
time is, but I thought it was primarily

3651
02:20:12,479 --> 02:20:15,760
designed to give the people

3652
02:20:15,760 --> 02:20:18,479
information as to where their money was

3653
02:20:18,479 --> 02:20:20,240
going because that was commitment we

3654
02:20:20,240 --> 02:20:22,479
made when we supported measure I.

3655
02:20:22,479 --> 02:20:24,160
>> It is. That's correct.

3656
02:20:24,160 --> 02:20:25,840
>> And I think that it'll be a good item

3657
02:20:25,840 --> 02:20:27,200
for us to bring back instead of having

3658
02:20:27,200 --> 02:20:28,399
the discussion right now during the

3659
02:20:28,399 --> 02:20:30,560
committee appointment. So along that

3660
02:20:30,560 --> 02:20:34,399
same line, um the paper we got, Marty

3661
02:20:34,399 --> 02:20:37,040
says the finance committee is never been

3662
02:20:37,040 --> 02:20:38,640
defined. It has been the measure I

3663
02:20:38,640 --> 02:20:43,120
oversight that needs to be updated.

3664
02:20:43,120 --> 02:20:46,240
Show you that. And then the city and

3665
02:20:46,240 --> 02:20:47,840
countyy's economic development steering

3666
02:20:47,840 --> 02:20:49,040
committee. As far as I know, they've

3667
02:20:49,040 --> 02:20:50,000
never had a meeting.

3668
02:20:50,000 --> 02:20:52,240
>> They've never have.

3669
02:20:52,240 --> 02:20:56,000
So maybe that should have

3670
02:20:56,000 --> 02:20:58,560
two council members

3671
02:20:58,560 --> 02:21:00,640
working on

3672
02:21:00,640 --> 02:21:03,359
Willow's economic structure.

3673
02:21:03,359 --> 02:21:05,280
>> What what I would like to do, and it's

3674
02:21:05,280 --> 02:21:06,960
not agendaized for tonight, so I was

3675
02:21:06,960 --> 02:21:08,720
going to do it under council reports.

3676
02:21:08,720 --> 02:21:10,960
It's been brought up in numerous um

3677
02:21:10,960 --> 02:21:12,800
platforms that we really need to have

3678
02:21:12,800 --> 02:21:14,960
some kind of a economic development

3679
02:21:14,960 --> 02:21:17,359
committee. I believe Orland has one.

3680
02:21:17,359 --> 02:21:22,160
This is kind of a city, county. It's I mean we're just not using that.

3681
02:21:22,160 --> 02:21:24,160
I'd like to see us talking about forming

3682
02:21:24,160 --> 02:21:26,960
a committee that maybe has two council

3683
02:21:26,960 --> 02:21:30,319
members, a chamber of commerce rep, um a

3684
02:21:30,319 --> 02:21:32,479
business, you know, just some some

3685
02:21:32,479 --> 02:21:34,080
people from the community that meet

3686
02:21:34,080 --> 02:21:36,319
regularly and talk about economic

3687
02:21:36,319 --> 02:21:38,160
development, particularly if we're going

3688
02:21:38,160 --> 02:21:40,080
to be getting some deliverables from the

3689
02:21:40,080 --> 02:21:41,840
rural development grant that we've

3690
02:21:41,840 --> 02:21:44,560
approved tonight and and just see how

3691
02:21:44,560 --> 02:21:46,880
that works. But I I really think that we

3692
02:21:46,880 --> 02:21:48,800
do need to have some people regularly

3693
02:21:48,800 --> 02:21:51,439
meeting. I think even working with Joe,

3694
02:21:51,439 --> 02:21:53,760
the our our community development

3695
02:21:53,760 --> 02:21:55,359
director, you know, what projects are

3696
02:21:55,359 --> 02:21:59,359
coming through just I mean we'd have to

3697
02:21:59,359 --> 02:22:01,439
define what the purpose of that was, but

3698
02:22:01,439 --> 02:22:04,479
I do think some level

3699
02:22:04,479 --> 02:22:06,319
>> you need to this should be brought back

3700
02:22:06,319 --> 02:22:07,840
for discussion when you have time.

3701
02:22:07,840 --> 02:22:11,920
>> Yes. because I think um having set at

3702
02:22:11,920 --> 02:22:14,880
least two council members focused on

3703
02:22:14,880 --> 02:22:16,800
following economic development and

3704
02:22:16,800 --> 02:22:19,760
making sure that if we get deliverables

3705
02:22:19,760 --> 02:22:22,960
from our approved

3706
02:22:22,960 --> 02:22:25,439
contractor, then we could actually move

3707
02:22:25,439 --> 02:22:27,439
forward with some of that. And maybe it

3708
02:22:27,439 --> 02:22:29,680
would be if we have the budget for it,

3709
02:22:29,680 --> 02:22:34,319
the part-time EDC person certainly um

3710
02:22:34,319 --> 02:22:35,680
should be something that could be

3711
02:22:35,680 --> 02:22:37,280
discussed

3712
02:22:37,280 --> 02:22:39,600
in expanding that because that committee

3713
02:22:39,600 --> 02:22:40,800
doesn't [clears throat] do anything.

3714
02:22:40,800 --> 02:22:42,000
>> So can we bring back

3715
02:22:42,000 --> 02:22:43,520
>> of the ones you just got appointed to

3716
02:22:43,520 --> 02:22:45,120
don't ever meet either.

3717
02:22:45,120 --> 02:22:46,160
>> Can we bring our committee as

3718
02:22:46,160 --> 02:22:48,640
detrimental as you might think?

3719
02:22:48,640 --> 02:22:50,160
>> Can we bring our committees back to a

3720
02:22:50,160 --> 02:22:53,280
different later agenda item to discuss

3721
02:22:53,280 --> 02:22:54,880
>> committees?

3722
02:22:54,880 --> 02:22:57,280
Well, I think it can we do a can we do a

3723
02:22:57,280 --> 02:22:59,200
general

3724
02:22:59,200 --> 02:23:01,359
>> oversight of the committees or does it

3725
02:23:01,359 --> 02:23:02,560
have to be each one

3726
02:23:02,560 --> 02:23:03,920
>> appointment but just discussion about

3727
02:23:03,920 --> 02:23:04,319
structure

3728
02:23:04,319 --> 02:23:05,520
>> discussion about the structures and

3729
02:23:05,520 --> 02:23:07,600
everything else then then that way it's

3730
02:23:07,600 --> 02:23:09,600
we can actually have this conversation

3731
02:23:09,600 --> 02:23:11,439
and actually be able to make the changes

3732
02:23:11,439 --> 02:23:12,960
versus

3733
02:23:12,960 --> 02:23:14,800
>> yeah just for historical context the

3734
02:23:14,800 --> 02:23:16,560
city and countyy's economic development

3735
02:23:16,560 --> 02:23:18,160
steering committee was an active

3736
02:23:18,160 --> 02:23:20,880
committee years ago when Jodie Sammons

3737
02:23:20,880 --> 02:23:22,560
was a county employee before she retired

3738
02:23:22,560 --> 02:23:26,080
from Glen County uh government and after

3739
02:23:26,080 --> 02:23:28,880
Jod retired that no more meetings were

3740
02:23:28,880 --> 02:23:31,120
held. So and that was an active meeting

3741
02:23:31,120 --> 02:23:34,160
we met we we met quarterly so that has

3742
02:23:34,160 --> 02:23:37,439
expired long expired but that's why it's

3743
02:23:37,439 --> 02:23:39,600
here so it was it was an active

3744
02:23:39,600 --> 02:23:42,000
committee uh I and others served on that

3745
02:23:42,000 --> 02:23:44,399
committee and uh we did make some

3746
02:23:44,399 --> 02:23:47,920
progress but it's been years now so just

3747
02:23:47,920 --> 02:23:50,960
for historical content.

3748
02:23:50,960 --> 02:23:53,120
>> Okay. Um, and then so the finance and

3749
02:23:53,120 --> 02:23:54,800
oversight committee, like I said, I put

3750
02:23:54,800 --> 02:23:58,960
uh council member Loa as the main person

3751
02:23:58,960 --> 02:24:01,280
there and then council member Pride as

3752
02:24:01,280 --> 02:24:03,760
the alternate. Um, and then council

3753
02:24:03,760 --> 02:24:05,520
leaison to the chamber of commerce. I

3754
02:24:05,520 --> 02:24:07,439
did keep that as council member Low

3755
02:24:07,439 --> 02:24:09,520
filling in for Busby. Um,

3756
02:24:09,520 --> 02:24:11,359
>> and and John, they meet on the third

3757
02:24:11,359 --> 02:24:15,920
Monday at 5:30 at Twisted Twigs.

3758
02:24:15,920 --> 02:24:18,000
So, they've gotten to a very regular

3759
02:24:18,000 --> 02:24:22,309
meeting schedule.

3760
02:24:22,319 --> 02:24:29,910
third Monday 5:30.

3761
02:24:29,920 --> 02:24:31,600
» Marty, you'll get us a new updated

3762
02:24:31,600 --> 02:24:32,160
sheet.

3763
02:24:32,160 --> 02:24:32,560
>> Yes.

3764
02:24:32,560 --> 02:24:33,280
>> Yeah. Thank you.

3765
02:24:33,280 --> 02:24:35,359
>> So, just to if I could recap really

3766
02:24:35,359 --> 02:24:36,880
quickly, you're only filling the

3767
02:24:36,880 --> 02:24:38,800
positions that um

3768
02:24:38,800 --> 02:24:42,560
>> that um former council member Busby was

3769
02:24:42,560 --> 02:24:44,399
in those committees, right, with Blaine

3770
02:24:44,399 --> 02:24:46,240
County Wastewater Waste Management.

3771
02:24:46,240 --> 02:24:48,960
Sorry. Um, Council Member Pride is the

3772
02:24:48,960 --> 02:24:50,880
primary. Council Member Low is the

3773
02:24:50,880 --> 02:24:53,359
alternate library board. Council Member

3774
02:24:53,359 --> 02:24:57,280
Pride is the primary city and county

3775
02:24:57,280 --> 02:24:58,880
economic development steering committee,

3776
02:24:58,880 --> 02:25:00,800
even though they don't seem to meet.

3777
02:25:00,800 --> 02:25:02,160
Council member Pride and Council Member

3778
02:25:02,160 --> 02:25:04,960
Low, Finance and Measure I Committee, C

3779
02:25:04,960 --> 02:25:06,720
Vice Mayor Thomas, Council Member Low is

3780
02:25:06,720 --> 02:25:08,319
the primary. Council member Pride is the

3781
02:25:08,319 --> 02:25:10,560
alternate council leazison and chamber

3782
02:25:10,560 --> 02:25:13,120
of commerce. Council member Low,

3783
02:25:13,120 --> 02:25:14,720
>> that's what I have down. Okay. Is

3784
02:25:14,720 --> 02:25:16,800
everyone okay with that? That's what I

3785
02:25:16,800 --> 02:25:18,240
have. Yep. Sounds good.

3786
02:25:18,240 --> 02:25:20,560
>> Are you good with your new appointments?

3787
02:25:20,560 --> 02:25:22,640
>> I'm drinking from a fire hose right now,

3788
02:25:22,640 --> 02:25:25,200
so that's fine.

3789
02:25:25,200 --> 02:25:26,319
>> You could ask the chief to turn it off,

3790
02:25:26,319 --> 02:25:27,840
but I don't know if it' help right now.

3791
02:25:27,840 --> 02:25:29,120
>> Other dies is assigned.

3792
02:25:29,120 --> 02:25:29,520
>> Yeah.

3793
02:25:29,520 --> 02:25:32,800
>> All right. Um, with that, we'll move on

3794
02:25:32,800 --> 02:25:37,280
to item 8 a council correspondence. I do

3795
02:25:37,280 --> 02:25:39,280
not have any. Does anybody have any

3796
02:25:39,280 --> 02:25:41,040
council?

3797
02:25:41,040 --> 02:25:43,280
>> Okay. Okay. Um,

3798
02:25:43,280 --> 02:25:46,560
some anonymous donor left on one of our

3799
02:25:46,560 --> 02:25:50,720
public works vehicles a envelope

3800
02:25:50,720 --> 02:25:54,399
for the Widows Museum

3801
02:25:54,399 --> 02:25:57,600
and it is full of historical documents,

3802
02:25:57,600 --> 02:26:02,389
pictures. I think they're for Or

3803
02:26:02,399 --> 02:26:06,560
Ben Church uh school. This one's 193435.

3804
02:26:06,560 --> 02:26:09,200
This one's 3839

3805
02:26:09,200 --> 02:26:11,280
40 and 41.

3806
02:26:11,280 --> 02:26:13,120
There is a grammar school certificate

3807
02:26:13,120 --> 02:26:15,280
for one

3808
02:26:15,280 --> 02:26:18,479
Leila Bernice Love

3809
02:26:18,479 --> 02:26:20,800
in 1916.

3810
02:26:20,800 --> 02:26:24,720
Her grammar school certificate to teach.

3811
02:26:24,720 --> 02:26:26,880
So I will turn these matters over to

3812
02:26:26,880 --> 02:26:29,840
Gary who is on the library board or on

3813
02:26:29,840 --> 02:26:31,920
the museum board.

3814
02:26:31,920 --> 02:26:35,359
Um so there's a handwritten letter from

3815
02:26:35,359 --> 02:26:37,120
18

3816
02:26:37,120 --> 02:26:41,040
73 I think. So, it's some interesting

3817
02:26:41,040 --> 02:26:43,600
stuff. I don't know any of these people

3818
02:26:43,600 --> 02:26:47,520
because I wasn't around in 1940.

3819
02:26:47,520 --> 02:26:50,880
But, uh, and there's a 1960.

3820
02:26:50,880 --> 02:26:52,960
>> Where' you Where did you I I didn't hear

3821
02:26:52,960 --> 02:26:54,479
where you received those, Rick.

3822
02:26:54,479 --> 02:26:57,760
>> It was, uh, left in an envelope on one

3823
02:26:57,760 --> 02:26:58,960
of the public works vehicles.

3824
02:26:58,960 --> 02:27:00,960
>> Oh, no kidding. Okay.

3825
02:27:00,960 --> 02:27:04,399
>> So, it's anonymous. Now, it appears a

3826
02:27:04,399 --> 02:27:06,319
lot of the in a lot of the documents

3827
02:27:06,319 --> 02:27:09,520
show names of Laya Bernese Level

3828
02:27:09,520 --> 02:27:12,240
um handwritten note letter from Anthony

3829
02:27:12,240 --> 02:27:16,399
Level in 1875.

3830
02:27:16,399 --> 02:27:18,080
And on the back of the some of the

3831
02:27:18,080 --> 02:27:20,080
pictures it says Jay Fox, which I was

3832
02:27:20,080 --> 02:27:23,120
able to determine seems to be Jack Fox,

3833
02:27:23,120 --> 02:27:24,800
but I don't know any of those people.

3834
02:27:24,800 --> 02:27:26,640
>> Oh, I'll go aheadly get in the library.

3835
02:27:26,640 --> 02:27:29,040
I mean, I'm sorry. I did too. Museum. It

3836
02:27:29,040 --> 02:27:31,120
used to be the library. The museum.

3837
02:27:31,120 --> 02:27:32,880
Thank you. All right. Any other council

3838
02:27:32,880 --> 02:27:33,840
correspondents?

3839
02:27:33,840 --> 02:27:35,520
>> Nope, that's it.

3840
02:27:35,520 --> 02:27:38,319
>> Okay. Um, city council comments and

3841
02:27:38,319 --> 02:27:41,040
reports. Vice Mayor Thomas.

3842
02:27:41,040 --> 02:27:42,640
I just gave mine.

3843
02:27:42,640 --> 02:27:45,280
>> Okay. Council member Pride.

3844
02:27:45,280 --> 02:27:48,240
>> All right. Um, so I mentioned the Waste

3845
02:27:48,240 --> 02:27:50,800
Management Regional meeting is Thursday.

3846
02:27:50,800 --> 02:27:52,960
The Chamber of Commerce is moving, which

3847
02:27:52,960 --> 02:27:54,880
I think is extremely exciting. They're

3848
02:27:54,880 --> 02:27:56,319
moving downtown. They're going to be

3849
02:27:56,319 --> 02:28:00,160
right next door to Tacos 88. they are

3850
02:28:00,160 --> 02:28:03,280
going to be um still with their regular

3851
02:28:03,280 --> 02:28:05,359
schedule, but they're trying to bring in

3852
02:28:05,359 --> 02:28:06,880
local products. So, they'll actually

3853
02:28:06,880 --> 02:28:08,160
have a little bit of, you know,

3854
02:28:08,160 --> 02:28:09,760
promoting local products and just

3855
02:28:09,760 --> 02:28:11,680
causing another reason for folks to

3856
02:28:11,680 --> 02:28:13,200
visit the chamber. So, they're moving

3857
02:28:13,200 --> 02:28:15,359
this week. That's very exciting. They'll

3858
02:28:15,359 --> 02:28:17,439
be doing a grand opening at some point,

3859
02:28:17,439 --> 02:28:20,479
so stay tuned for that. Um Evan and I

3860
02:28:20,479 --> 02:28:22,240
attended the ambulance ad hoc meeting

3861
02:28:22,240 --> 02:28:26,319
yesterday. Um we have library board of

3862
02:28:26,319 --> 02:28:28,080
trustee interviews scheduled for

3863
02:28:28,080 --> 02:28:29,520
tomorrow.

3864
02:28:29,520 --> 02:28:32,160
Um,

3865
02:28:32,160 --> 02:28:33,920
wanted to confirm we're still on

3866
02:28:33,920 --> 02:28:35,600
schedule for Friday at 11 for the

3867
02:28:35,600 --> 02:28:38,000
municipal code kickoff. We are

3868
02:28:38,000 --> 02:28:40,160
>> party. [laughter] I hate to call it a

3869
02:28:40,160 --> 02:28:43,120
meeting. It's going to be

3870
02:28:43,120 --> 02:28:46,080
dry probably. Um, [laughter]

3871
02:28:46,080 --> 02:28:48,080
and then I mentioned an economic

3872
02:28:48,080 --> 02:28:49,920
development committee of some sort,

3873
02:28:49,920 --> 02:28:51,439
whether it's two of us or not. We've

3874
02:28:51,439 --> 02:28:52,880
talked about that at length tonight, but

3875
02:28:52,880 --> 02:28:54,479
I would like to make sure that comes up.

3876
02:28:54,479 --> 02:28:57,439
I think it came up last like spring of

3877
02:28:57,439 --> 02:28:59,120
25. it was mentioned. So, we keep

3878
02:28:59,120 --> 02:29:01,280
mentioning it, but we haven't done it. I

3879
02:29:01,280 --> 02:29:03,200
think stars are lining up with the rural

3880
02:29:03,200 --> 02:29:05,040
development grant. So, if we can be

3881
02:29:05,040 --> 02:29:06,399
focusing on getting something like that

3882
02:29:06,399 --> 02:29:09,280
going. Um, the other thing that's come

3883
02:29:09,280 --> 02:29:11,359
up a couple of times with our city

3884
02:29:11,359 --> 02:29:13,359
attorney is just updates on projects

3885
02:29:13,359 --> 02:29:16,080
that you're working on. And so I

3886
02:29:16,080 --> 02:29:17,600
thought, you know, those things that are

3887
02:29:17,600 --> 02:29:20,000
appropriate to give updates on, maybe we

3888
02:29:20,000 --> 02:29:23,359
could have quarterly or even just once a

3889
02:29:23,359 --> 02:29:25,280
month that as part of this last part of

3890
02:29:25,280 --> 02:29:27,600
the agenda where we have a city manager

3891
02:29:27,600 --> 02:29:29,200
report, we'd also have just a city

3892
02:29:29,200 --> 02:29:31,920
attorney report. Just quick updates on

3893
02:29:31,920 --> 02:29:34,720
where those basic city projects are. You

3894
02:29:34,720 --> 02:29:37,040
know, the council does hire and we do

3895
02:29:37,040 --> 02:29:38,960
have a direct reporting line with our

3896
02:29:38,960 --> 02:29:40,880
city attorney. And I know for me

3897
02:29:40,880 --> 02:29:42,160
sometimes I don't even know what you've

3898
02:29:42,160 --> 02:29:44,560
been asked to do. And so, you know, it's

3899
02:29:44,560 --> 02:29:46,800
just a way for the council to be maybe a

3900
02:29:46,800 --> 02:29:48,880
little more in sync with what's going

3901
02:29:48,880 --> 02:29:50,800
on. So, I would leave that at the

3902
02:29:50,800 --> 02:29:52,880
discretion, you know, monthly,

3903
02:29:52,880 --> 02:29:55,120
quarterly. Again, I understand there's

3904
02:29:55,120 --> 02:29:56,640
going to be some things that you can't

3905
02:29:56,640 --> 02:29:58,720
talk about, but if we're doing just

3906
02:29:58,720 --> 02:30:02,080
basic city like municipal code or

3907
02:30:02,080 --> 02:30:06,479
contracts or whatever. Um, lastly, I

3908
02:30:06,479 --> 02:30:08,800
just want to throw out there that I

3909
02:30:08,800 --> 02:30:11,600
after we did the interviews to appoint

3910
02:30:11,600 --> 02:30:14,319
city council. You know, there's a real

3911
02:30:14,319 --> 02:30:16,960
gap in our camera footage where the

3912
02:30:16,960 --> 02:30:18,880
camera somewhere up here that people

3913
02:30:18,880 --> 02:30:20,800
could see staff when staff are talking.

3914
02:30:20,800 --> 02:30:23,439
They could see if we have something else

3915
02:30:23,439 --> 02:30:25,359
set up. I don't know if it's possible

3916
02:30:25,359 --> 02:30:27,680
and if it would be, you know, not very

3917
02:30:27,680 --> 02:30:30,000
expensive. I watched our last meeting

3918
02:30:30,000 --> 02:30:33,280
online from Colorado and it's hard to

3919
02:30:33,280 --> 02:30:36,000
hear you staff sometimes can't see who's

3920
02:30:36,000 --> 02:30:38,880
talking. It's I I mean the Orland

3921
02:30:38,880 --> 02:30:40,880
council meetings the staff's all sitting

3922
02:30:40,880 --> 02:30:42,640
there. They're on camera. You see who's

3923
02:30:42,640 --> 02:30:45,760
talking. I think another camera would be

3924
02:30:45,760 --> 02:30:48,319
a service to people that aren't able to

3925
02:30:48,319 --> 02:30:51,760
be here in person. That's all I have.

3926
02:30:51,760 --> 02:30:55,439
>> Okay. Thank you. Council Low.

3927
02:30:55,439 --> 02:30:57,840
>> Nothing. Okay.

3928
02:30:57,840 --> 02:30:58,880
Council member Hansen.

3929
02:30:58,880 --> 02:31:02,000
>> Good report, John. Well,

3930
02:31:02,000 --> 02:31:03,439
want to want to welcome uh

3931
02:31:03,439 --> 02:31:07,040
>> Take a listen, Gary. [laughter]

3932
02:31:07,040 --> 02:31:08,479
>> It'll only be 20 minutes. Just 20

3933
02:31:08,479 --> 02:31:10,720
minutes. Council member Low, I'd like to

3934
02:31:10,720 --> 02:31:11,600
welcome you to the council.

3935
02:31:11,600 --> 02:31:13,359
Congratulations. Look really forward to

3936
02:31:13,359 --> 02:31:14,960
working with you and get and getting to

3937
02:31:14,960 --> 02:31:16,160
know you better. So,

3938
02:31:16,160 --> 02:31:17,520
>> thank you for stepping up and thank you

3939
02:31:17,520 --> 02:31:21,200
for being here and welcome. Welcome. So

3940
02:31:21,200 --> 02:31:24,479
uh with that briefly the latest meetings

3941
02:31:24,479 --> 02:31:26,160
Glen Groundwater Authority regular

3942
02:31:26,160 --> 02:31:28,240
monthly meeting was held on August 10th.

3943
02:31:28,240 --> 02:31:30,399
We continue continue to work on demand

3944
02:31:30,399 --> 02:31:32,399
management. It's all demand management.

3945
02:31:32,399 --> 02:31:34,240
It's full throttle till the end of the

3946
02:31:34,240 --> 02:31:35,920
year because that's our deadline

3947
02:31:35,920 --> 02:31:37,680
December 31st and we will make the

3948
02:31:37,680 --> 02:31:41,040
deadline. Uh like likewise we had a our

3949
02:31:41,040 --> 02:31:42,960
monthly joint Glen Groundwater Authority

3950
02:31:42,960 --> 02:31:45,439
Inclusive Groundwater Authority meeting.

3951
02:31:45,439 --> 02:31:47,359
We alternate between Willows and Kusa.

3952
02:31:47,359 --> 02:31:49,200
This meeting was in Kusa. It was on

3953
02:31:49,200 --> 02:31:52,720
August 14th that following Friday. Um

3954
02:31:52,720 --> 02:31:55,520
and uh again a groundwater demand

3955
02:31:55,520 --> 02:31:57,760
management and water accounting and

3956
02:31:57,760 --> 02:32:01,359
that's what we're working on. Uh to that

3957
02:32:01,359 --> 02:32:04,800
tune the uh in partnership with the uh

3958
02:32:04,800 --> 02:32:06,319
Kusa groundwater authority, the Glen

3959
02:32:06,319 --> 02:32:07,680
Groundwater Authority and the Glen

3960
02:32:07,680 --> 02:32:09,840
County Resource Conservation District

3961
02:32:09,840 --> 02:32:12,240
will be sponsoring what they're what

3962
02:32:12,240 --> 02:32:14,640
we're calling a Kousa Subbasin Sigma

3963
02:32:14,640 --> 02:32:16,640
2011 Sustainable Groundwater Management

3964
02:32:16,640 --> 02:32:19,439
Act. This is going to be outlying

3965
02:32:19,439 --> 02:32:21,840
outlining what the demand management

3966
02:32:21,840 --> 02:32:23,600
concept and the water accounting system

3967
02:32:23,600 --> 02:32:27,920
is going to look like uh a after uh uh

3968
02:32:27,920 --> 02:32:30,800
December 31st when we finish uh the work

3969
02:32:30,800 --> 02:32:32,399
that we've been uh doing for the last

3970
02:32:32,399 --> 02:32:34,640
two years. So, it's informative. It's

3971
02:32:34,640 --> 02:32:37,600
there's going to be two u uh open

3972
02:32:37,600 --> 02:32:39,920
houses. The first one will be at

3973
02:32:39,920 --> 02:32:42,800
Granzilla's uh restaurant at the Grand

3974
02:32:42,800 --> 02:32:44,080
Granzilla's banquet hall. That's going

3975
02:32:44,080 --> 02:32:46,560
to be on Wednesday, September 2nd from 1

3976
02:32:46,560 --> 02:32:48,640
to 2:00 p.m. followed by an open house.

3977
02:32:48,640 --> 02:32:52,000
So, it's 1 hour. On Wednesday, the se

3978
02:32:52,000 --> 02:32:54,880
September 2nd in Williams at Grenzel's.

3979
02:32:54,880 --> 02:32:56,800
The following day on Thursday, September

3980
02:32:56,800 --> 02:32:58,479
3rd,

3981
02:32:58,479 --> 02:33:00,720
it will there will be a open house as

3982
02:33:00,720 --> 02:33:03,760
well uh describing the groundwater

3983
02:33:03,760 --> 02:33:05,200
demand management and water accounting

3984
02:33:05,200 --> 02:33:09,920
system at Glenn 66, sorry, Glenn Success

3985
02:33:09,920 --> 02:33:12,560
Square in Orland from 1 to 2 p.m. That's

3986
02:33:12,560 --> 02:33:14,479
on Thursday, September 3rd. I'll be

3987
02:33:14,479 --> 02:33:17,280
there. Our consultant, uh, Jeff Davids

3988
02:33:17,280 --> 02:33:19,120
from David's Engineering will be the

3989
02:33:19,120 --> 02:33:22,640
primary, uh, presenter. He's he's a uh

3990
02:33:22,640 --> 02:33:26,080
he he holds a doctorate in in water and

3991
02:33:26,080 --> 02:33:28,160
he knows what he's talking about. So

3992
02:33:28,160 --> 02:33:29,760
anyway, for anybody interested, no

3993
02:33:29,760 --> 02:33:31,840
reservations needed. There's als it's

3994
02:33:31,840 --> 02:33:34,080
also going to be broadcast live online

3995
02:33:34,080 --> 02:33:35,840
as well for anyone who would like to

3996
02:33:35,840 --> 02:33:39,600
participate. So with that and uh lastly

3997
02:33:39,600 --> 02:33:43,840
uh we held our monthly Gling uh County

3998
02:33:43,840 --> 02:33:46,000
Transportation Commission meeting on

3999
02:33:46,000 --> 02:33:47,920
August 20th. There was no regional

4000
02:33:47,920 --> 02:33:50,240
transit committee meeting. uh there was

4001
02:33:50,240 --> 02:33:52,960
a lack of business so we did not have an

4002
02:33:52,960 --> 02:33:55,359
RTC meeting this month. However, we did

4003
02:33:55,359 --> 02:33:56,880
hold the uh transportation commission

4004
02:33:56,880 --> 02:33:58,640
meeting and it was routine business. It

4005
02:33:58,640 --> 02:34:00,640
was a short meeting and that's all I had

4006
02:34:00,640 --> 02:34:01,840
Mr. Mayor. Thank you.

4007
02:34:01,840 --> 02:34:05,280
>> Thank you. Um couple of the same items

4008
02:34:05,280 --> 02:34:06,800
had the ambulance ad hoc committee which

4009
02:34:06,800 --> 02:34:08,880
was a good conversation. um still moving

4010
02:34:08,880 --> 02:34:10,640
forward with some of our options for

4011
02:34:10,640 --> 02:34:14,080
that to hopefully providing amote

4012
02:34:14,080 --> 02:34:16,800
services and uh see where that's going

4013
02:34:16,800 --> 02:34:19,040
to lead us as far as a community uh in

4014
02:34:19,040 --> 02:34:22,160
Glen County. Um I wanted to do a quick

4015
02:34:22,160 --> 02:34:23,760
shout out to public works. They were out

4016
02:34:23,760 --> 02:34:25,359
in the back over here trimming these

4017
02:34:25,359 --> 02:34:27,359
bushes um using some of the new

4018
02:34:27,359 --> 02:34:29,200
equipment that they've uh received over

4019
02:34:29,200 --> 02:34:30,800
the last couple years since we've passed

4020
02:34:30,800 --> 02:34:34,720
the measure I. Um it's glad to see those

4021
02:34:34,720 --> 02:34:36,960
tools being utilized and um seeing it

4022
02:34:36,960 --> 02:34:38,720
make their their job a little bit easier

4023
02:34:38,720 --> 02:34:40,399
to do rather than having to heft all

4024
02:34:40,399 --> 02:34:41,600
those branches in the back of the truck.

4025
02:34:41,600 --> 02:34:44,240
They're able to use their loader. Um we

4026
02:34:44,240 --> 02:34:45,680
did have a Glen County Transportation

4027
02:34:45,680 --> 02:34:49,120
Committee meeting um in that and the

4028
02:34:49,120 --> 02:34:52,720
only question that I brought up was

4029
02:34:52,720 --> 02:34:55,920
what the heck was going on with 162 um

4030
02:34:55,920 --> 02:34:57,760
because last we heard there's nothing

4031
02:34:57,760 --> 02:35:00,640
happening until 2030. Um, and as you can

4032
02:35:00,640 --> 02:35:03,760
see, they are doing um can't remember

4033
02:35:03,760 --> 02:35:05,359
the proper term, but they're taking off

4034
02:35:05,359 --> 02:35:08,319
the top layer and then just re repaving

4035
02:35:08,319 --> 02:35:11,359
it. Um, so it's not as in-depth as the

4036
02:35:11,359 --> 02:35:13,120
large project. This is not the large

4037
02:35:13,120 --> 02:35:15,359
project. Um, they're just fixing a

4038
02:35:15,359 --> 02:35:17,760
couple of the rough spots. Uh, mainly

4039
02:35:17,760 --> 02:35:20,880
the 162 and Taha intersection or Wood

4040
02:35:20,880 --> 02:35:23,359
Street and Taha intersection, which is

4041
02:35:23,359 --> 02:35:28,160
been really rough the last 10 years. Um,

4042
02:35:28,160 --> 02:35:31,200
and so it's nice to drive over that and,

4043
02:35:31,200 --> 02:35:32,399
you know, not hit my head on the

4044
02:35:32,399 --> 02:35:34,960
ceiling. Um, or test the limits of my

4045
02:35:34,960 --> 02:35:37,680
seat belt. So, um, yeah, that's about

4046
02:35:37,680 --> 02:35:41,200
it. And on on top

4047
02:35:41,200 --> 02:35:43,600
in in that in that same frame of

4048
02:35:43,600 --> 02:35:45,840
discussion, it's the CALR local

4049
02:35:45,840 --> 02:35:47,120
maintenance yard, Willow's maintenance

4050
02:35:47,120 --> 02:35:48,960
yard doing that work because our CALR

4051
02:35:48,960 --> 02:35:52,000
rep had no idea either. Uh, so it so

4052
02:35:52,000 --> 02:35:54,240
kudos to our local maintenance yard for

4053
02:35:54,240 --> 02:35:56,880
fixing the ster at 162 to street

4054
02:35:56,880 --> 02:35:58,240
intersection. So, thank you.

4055
02:35:58,240 --> 02:35:59,760
>> I did receive more information on it,

4056
02:35:59,760 --> 02:36:01,600
but I haven't had a chance to read the

4057
02:36:01,600 --> 02:36:04,319
full email. It had a map and some

4058
02:36:04,319 --> 02:36:06,640
colorful images to click and I didn't

4059
02:36:06,640 --> 02:36:09,040
get a chance to do that. Um, and then

4060
02:36:09,040 --> 02:36:11,040
same as Council Member Hansen, Council

4061
02:36:11,040 --> 02:36:13,680
Member Low, welcome. Um, honored to have

4062
02:36:13,680 --> 02:36:16,479
you here and look forward to uh having

4063
02:36:16,479 --> 02:36:19,760
many discussions uh at this council with

4064
02:36:19,760 --> 02:36:21,760
you. So, thank you. With that, we will

4065
02:36:21,760 --> 02:36:23,920
call this meeting adjourned at

4066
02:36:23,920 --> 02:36:26,960
>> Oh, sorry, Marty. I was trying city

4067
02:36:26,960 --> 02:36:28,000
manager report.

4068
02:36:28,000 --> 02:36:29,680
>> Just want to remind everybody that we're

4069
02:36:29,680 --> 02:36:31,840
going to have the Willows Water Fest on

4070
02:36:31,840 --> 02:36:34,960
September 10th from 4 to 8 in Central

4071
02:36:34,960 --> 02:36:38,479
Park. And this is heavily sponsored and

4072
02:36:38,479 --> 02:36:40,399
funded by Cal Water to celebrate their

4073
02:36:40,399 --> 02:36:42,399
100th anniversary

4074
02:36:42,399 --> 02:36:45,760
and to continue the city's continued

4075
02:36:45,760 --> 02:36:47,920
140th birthday year celebrations as

4076
02:36:47,920 --> 02:36:49,840
well. And some of the activities that

4077
02:36:49,840 --> 02:36:54,000
will be included are a drawing by Cal

4078
02:36:54,000 --> 02:36:57,120
Water for um a water efficient washing

4079
02:36:57,120 --> 02:36:59,920
machine and a free barbecue, live music

4080
02:36:59,920 --> 02:37:02,000
by Whitewater, face painting, kids

4081
02:37:02,000 --> 02:37:04,479
cardboard boat race, water themed

4082
02:37:04,479 --> 02:37:08,479
activities, a bounce house. Um and we

4083
02:37:08,479 --> 02:37:10,000
last thing I want to mention is we are

4084
02:37:10,000 --> 02:37:12,319
also looking for vendors. So if people

4085
02:37:12,319 --> 02:37:15,520
who want to do food for example or a

4086
02:37:15,520 --> 02:37:18,479
mobile food truck or any other vendors

4087
02:37:18,479 --> 02:37:20,319
you want to mention

4088
02:37:20,319 --> 02:37:22,720
>> snacks any of that that would like to

4089
02:37:22,720 --> 02:37:25,120
come to the event and sell their wares.

4090
02:37:25,120 --> 02:37:26,479
They're welcome.

4091
02:37:26,479 --> 02:37:28,479
>> Awesome. Thank you. And I do want to say

4092
02:37:28,479 --> 02:37:30,399
this is one of the first city council

4093
02:37:30,399 --> 02:37:32,640
meetings in a very long time that has

4094
02:37:32,640 --> 02:37:35,920
not had closed sessions. So that's great. Everything's out in the

4095
02:37:35,920 --> 02:37:36,399
public today.

4096
02:37:36,399 --> 02:37:37,120
>> Exciting.

4097
02:37:37,120 --> 02:37:38,640
>> So thank you. We'll call this meeting

4098
02:37:38,640 --> 02:37:40,720
adjourn at 8:47. Have a good night.

4099
02:37:40,720 --> 02:37:44,359
>> Thank you all for coming.