1 00:00:23,359 --> 00:00:25,359 Good evening everyone and welcome to our 2 00:00:25,359 --> 00:00:27,840 regular council meeting for August 24th, 3 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:30,560 2026. I'd look for a mover and a 4 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:32,160 seconder to call our meeting to order, 5 00:00:32,160 --> 00:00:33,520 please. Moved by councelor Martin, 6 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:35,040 seconded by councelor Crestman. All 7 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:37,120 those in favor, that carries 8 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:38,879 unanimously. 9 00:00:38,879 --> 00:00:41,680 We did not have a closed session today. 10 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:43,600 So, I will invite councelor Wilkinson to 11 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:45,120 introduce our territorial land 12 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:47,120 acknowledgement, please. 13 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:48,879 >> Thank you. Uh we have gathered in 14 00:00:48,879 --> 00:00:50,480 Wilmont Township on the traditional 15 00:00:50,480 --> 00:00:53,199 territory of the neutral and hodni and 16 00:00:53,199 --> 00:00:55,680 missaga peoples. And we also want to 17 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:56,960 acknowledge the importance of the dish 18 00:00:56,960 --> 00:00:58,640 with one spoon covenant, a peace 19 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:00,079 agreement made between indigenous 20 00:01:00,079 --> 00:01:02,640 nations before the Europeans arrived. It 21 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:03,840 characterizes our collective 22 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:05,519 responsibility to each other and mother 23 00:01:05,519 --> 00:01:07,520 earth that we should take only what we 24 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:09,360 need, leave enough for others, and keep 25 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:11,520 the dish clean. By acknowledging this 26 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:13,200 covenant and the First Nations, Inuit 27 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:15,280 and Matei people, we are reminded of our 28 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:16,799 important connection to this land where 29 00:01:16,799 --> 00:01:19,360 we live, learn, and work together as a 30 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:21,520 community. 31 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:23,520 >> Thank you very much, counselor. Uh, I 32 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:25,840 will now turn it over to CEO Wilmer to 33 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:28,880 introduce a new face around horseshoe. 34 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:30,400 >> Thank you very much, Mayor Salin. And 35 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:32,000 we're very pleased to introduce Tracy 36 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:33,840 Prince as the new treasurer and director 37 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:35,520 of financial services for the the 38 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:37,439 township of Wilmont. Tracy's joining us 39 00:01:37,439 --> 00:01:39,840 remotely tonight. Uh, and she's uh been 40 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:41,680 on the job for about two weeks now and 41 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:43,920 comes to us from the town of Ahmersburg 42 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:45,840 and also has previous experience at 43 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:47,759 Slair Region Conservation Authority as 44 00:01:47,759 --> 00:01:50,240 well as the city of London. Uh Tracy is 45 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:51,920 a a chartered professional accountant, 46 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:54,240 also has an MBA and brings a good 47 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:56,399 combination of people leadership skills 48 00:01:56,399 --> 00:01:57,920 and technical skills. So we're very 49 00:01:57,920 --> 00:01:59,520 pleased to have Tracy join us as part of 50 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:01,360 the team. 51 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:04,000 >> Thank you very much and welcome Tracy. 52 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:06,719 Uh on to the adoption of the agenda. I 53 00:02:06,719 --> 00:02:09,360 believe councelor Dunstall uh wanted to 54 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:10,800 move that with an amendment. I'll turn 55 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:12,480 it over to councelor Dunstall. 56 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:14,400 >> Thank you through you, mayor. Yes, I 57 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:17,440 want to make an amendment to remove uh 58 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:20,239 correspondence 12.2 59 00:02:20,239 --> 00:02:22,480 from the agenda. 60 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:24,480 >> Okay, that's been moved by councelor 61 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:26,400 Dunstall. Is there a seconder to that? 62 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:29,120 Seconded by councelor Cresman. Any 63 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:31,920 questions or comments? So, the motion is 64 00:02:31,920 --> 00:02:35,360 to remove 12.2 and then adopt the 65 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:38,640 remaining agenda as presented. 66 00:02:38,640 --> 00:02:41,120 Okay, seeing none, I will call the 67 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:43,599 question. All those in favor? 68 00:02:43,599 --> 00:02:47,440 All those opposed. And that carries. On 69 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:50,080 to Are there any disclosures of pecunary 70 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:52,319 interest? 71 00:02:52,319 --> 00:02:54,160 Councelor Cresman. 72 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:57,599 >> Yes. Uh I would like to de declare a 73 00:02:57,599 --> 00:03:01,280 pecunary interest on 16.4 the zone 74 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:05,760 change along um Gingrich Road. Uh it's 75 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:09,840 uh as a result of my uh oldest son uh G 76 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:14,400 being CEO at Walter Fatty and uh they're 77 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:17,440 uh doing the engineering work on the uh 78 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:20,159 entire project. 79 00:03:20,159 --> 00:03:21,599 >> Thank you. 80 00:03:21,599 --> 00:03:22,400 >> Sorry. 81 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:25,440 >> 14.6 I believe. 82 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:29,599 >> Um it's for the Gingrich Road item, 83 00:03:29,599 --> 00:03:31,280 correct counselor? It's the Gingrich 84 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:32,080 Road item. 85 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:32,560 >> Yes. 86 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:35,519 >> Okay. So that is 14.6 87 00:03:35,519 --> 00:03:38,319 and that has been noted. Uh we do have 88 00:03:38,319 --> 00:03:40,879 our minutes from the July 27th meeting 89 00:03:40,879 --> 00:03:42,959 as well as the August 13th special 90 00:03:42,959 --> 00:03:44,560 council meeting to be adopted as 91 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:46,720 presented. May I have a mover for that? 92 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:48,879 Moved by councelor Sadu, seconded by 93 00:03:48,879 --> 00:03:49,760 councelor Cresman. 94 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:51,519 >> Can I make a comment please? 95 00:03:51,519 --> 00:03:52,080 >> Absolutely. 96 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:54,400 >> Uh through you mayor Salin just uh I 97 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:55,599 believe it's going to be changed but 98 00:03:55,599 --> 00:03:58,000 it's noted that I'm absent. Um, I guess 99 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:00,560 I missed the opening on the 27th, but I 100 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:02,319 was there for the closed meeting and so 101 00:04:02,319 --> 00:04:03,840 I was here for the whole meeting except 102 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:06,799 the initial um motion. 103 00:04:06,799 --> 00:04:08,959 >> Uh, I'm seeing clerks nodding to 104 00:04:08,959 --> 00:04:10,560 acknowledge that. So, that will be 105 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:12,879 updated. Uh, thank you for making that 106 00:04:12,879 --> 00:04:15,360 note. Any other questions or comments on 107 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:17,919 the minutes before us? Okay, seeing 108 00:04:17,919 --> 00:04:20,160 none, all those in favor? And that 109 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:22,320 carries unanimously. 110 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:24,240 We do not have any public meetings this 111 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:26,240 evening, but we do have a presentation. 112 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:28,479 We got to see Tova twice in I believe 113 00:04:28,479 --> 00:04:31,280 the last two months. So I will invite up 114 00:04:31,280 --> 00:04:36,080 Tova Davidson and um Stefan Nacho, I'm 115 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:38,479 sorry if I've mispronounced that um to 116 00:04:38,479 --> 00:04:41,520 the podium to present on the new uh 117 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:43,919 sustainability manager. So welcome to 118 00:04:43,919 --> 00:04:46,560 council. Thank you so much. Um it's 119 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:48,320 really great to be here and to be back 120 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:51,120 um after it's been I think six weeks or 121 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:53,440 two months. So nice to be here. Um for 122 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:54,960 those who don't know, I'm Toa Davidson. 123 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:56,960 I'm the executive director of S SWR 124 00:04:56,960 --> 00:04:59,040 sustainable water region and I'm here 125 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:02,400 just to introduce Stefan um a new 126 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:05,120 partnership that has been formed between 127 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:07,840 the township of Wilmont and Welssley 128 00:05:07,840 --> 00:05:09,840 where together we have hired a 129 00:05:09,840 --> 00:05:12,800 sustainability manager to support your 130 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:16,320 own work towards um your operational 131 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:17,919 sustainability and integration of 132 00:05:17,919 --> 00:05:19,520 community work through the climate 133 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:22,400 action work etc etc as a staff person 134 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:26,160 the support that SWR is bringing is our own expertise to make sure that we 135 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:28,479 are supporting the townships in this 136 00:05:28,479 --> 00:05:30,639 way. And it is a shared role with just a 137 00:05:30,639 --> 00:05:32,800 one-year idea of let's give this a try 138 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:34,639 and see how we can make some real 139 00:05:34,639 --> 00:05:37,199 progress. So the idea today is to 140 00:05:37,199 --> 00:05:38,880 introduce Stefan, give him a moment to 141 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:40,800 introduce himself and just to talk a 142 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:42,000 little bit about what the priorities are 143 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:43,280 at the very beginning and answer any 144 00:05:43,280 --> 00:05:45,600 questions the council may have. 145 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:48,479 >> Correct. Thank you, Dova. Um, yeah, nice 146 00:05:48,479 --> 00:05:50,479 to be here and working with the 147 00:05:50,479 --> 00:05:53,039 townships of Wilmont and Wellsley on 148 00:05:53,039 --> 00:05:55,840 that project. I would call it. So, as 149 00:05:55,840 --> 00:05:59,039 you heard, my name is Stefan. [laughter] 150 00:05:59,039 --> 00:06:00,880 Um I'm an architect and certified 151 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:02,720 passive house designer almost two 152 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:05,360 decades experience in the field worked 153 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:07,680 on numerous retrofits 154 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:10,000 um energy efficient buildings like 155 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:13,759 passive houses and um yeah the overall 156 00:06:13,759 --> 00:06:17,840 goal is to find um opportunities for 157 00:06:17,840 --> 00:06:20,160 optimization and performance 158 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:23,840 enhancements at the facilities of WA 159 00:06:23,840 --> 00:06:26,880 Township. And um in the first 6 months 160 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:30,319 we will well I will focus on the GHG 161 00:06:30,319 --> 00:06:33,600 emissions. See where we sit in terms of 162 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:39,039 um emissions and water usage and um yeah 163 00:06:39,039 --> 00:06:42,880 find hopefully some good um areas to 164 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:47,600 improve and um yeah reporting constantly 165 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:51,280 to the council. The idea is to report 166 00:06:51,280 --> 00:06:54,720 like every every quarter to you guys and 167 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:58,800 um yeah, if there's any questions, 168 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:01,840 please let me know. [laughter] 169 00:07:01,840 --> 00:07:04,000 >> Wonderful. Well, welcome on board and 170 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:06,800 thank you very much for coming today. Um 171 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:09,120 I don't currently see any questions. Oh, 172 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:11,680 sorry, Councelor Wilkinson. 173 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:13,680 >> Thank you through the chair. Um welcome 174 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:16,479 aboard. Um glad you're uh here. I'm just 175 00:07:16,479 --> 00:07:18,800 curious. I I realize it's very early 176 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:21,360 going, but I'm wondering if uh in your 177 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:23,520 past experience or even in maybe some of 178 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:26,960 your research if there's any sort of um 179 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:30,560 identifiable savings or operational um 180 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:33,280 improvements that that you think you can 181 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:36,000 find or if what you anticipate those 182 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:38,000 could be. 183 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:40,000 >> Yeah. Through the mayor to councelor 184 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:44,880 Wilkins Wilkins. Um yeah. Um so I think 185 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:47,919 we have good opportunities in the terms 186 00:07:47,919 --> 00:07:51,039 of water savings. That's that's my first 187 00:07:51,039 --> 00:07:54,960 assumption from seeing the data. Um and 188 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:56,960 yeah, we will have to review the data, 189 00:07:56,960 --> 00:08:01,360 see the facilities and um then I can 190 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:04,560 close to or can say more about if 191 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:07,199 there's any things that we can do. I'll 192 00:08:07,199 --> 00:08:08,800 jump in as well just to say that the 193 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:10,639 other focus for us is to look at that 194 00:08:10,639 --> 00:08:11,759 data and where the physical 195 00:08:11,759 --> 00:08:13,520 opportunities are and then to look at 196 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:15,360 funding opportunities and to apply for 197 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:17,360 those funding opportunities to enable 198 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:19,199 some of those retrofits. So the capital 199 00:08:19,199 --> 00:08:21,039 cost could be mitigated by some of the 200 00:08:21,039 --> 00:08:22,960 funding opportunities the high energy 201 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:25,039 efficiency increasing within the 202 00:08:25,039 --> 00:08:27,199 buildings then saving in operational as 203 00:08:27,199 --> 00:08:29,599 well. 204 00:08:29,599 --> 00:08:31,120 >> Any other questions at this time 205 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:33,919 council? Okay, seeing none. Thank you 206 00:08:33,919 --> 00:08:35,760 again very much Toba and Stephanie for 207 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:37,919 joining us 208 00:08:37,919 --> 00:08:41,200 >> this evening. We do have uh three 209 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:42,880 delegations. You'll be called when we 210 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:44,959 get to those appropriate parts in the 211 00:08:44,959 --> 00:08:46,800 agenda. 212 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:48,320 Uh we do have one item of 213 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:50,800 correspondence. Did anybody want to 214 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:55,040 speak to that? Okay, seeing none. Um we 215 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:56,880 do have multiple items on our consent 216 00:08:56,880 --> 00:09:01,920 agenda. We will be um pulling 13.3 to 217 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:05,200 start as we do have two uh individuals 218 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:08,959 who have registered to speak on this. So 219 00:09:08,959 --> 00:09:12,399 I will start uh just making sure I'm 220 00:09:12,399 --> 00:09:14,880 following my notes here properly. Um so 221 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:18,000 just for a note 13.3 is the Petersburg 222 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:19,839 drinking water system local improvement 223 00:09:19,839 --> 00:09:21,600 bylaw. 224 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:23,920 And uh as I said we have two delegates 225 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:25,920 who have registered. So our first one is 226 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:28,399 Clive Wner. Thank you for joining us 227 00:09:28,399 --> 00:09:31,040 today, Clive. And you will have seven 228 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:35,350 minutes. 229 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:37,680 » Yeah, I want to talk about this uh this 230 00:09:37,680 --> 00:09:39,440 whole system. When it was originally 231 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:40,800 brought up, it was to be a looped 232 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:42,640 system. That was what we were told that 233 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:44,000 needed to be because you couldn't have 234 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:47,360 people at the end of a line. Now, the 235 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:50,160 2024 drawings show a loop system, but 236 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:54,880 the 2026 drawings do not. And it's 237 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:57,360 obvious to me and to most people that 238 00:09:57,360 --> 00:09:59,200 that's going to be connected to the 239 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:02,080 regional water supply because otherwise 240 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:04,399 it's a deadend system all the way from 241 00:10:04,399 --> 00:10:07,200 Deerfield Court all the way around to 242 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:10,720 the end of Snider's Road. And I guess, 243 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:12,000 you know, why were there no meetings 244 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:14,320 after the system was redesigned? Why 245 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:16,880 wasn't it discussed with us? Why weren't 246 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:20,320 the 26 people who are being forced and 247 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:23,120 slammed onto this system 248 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:26,240 not shown as being possible on that? It 249 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:27,839 didn't even show us. You want us to come 250 00:10:27,839 --> 00:10:29,440 out and engage? Hey, I'll come out and 251 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:31,279 engage, but you know what' be nice? It 252 00:10:31,279 --> 00:10:33,920 would be nice if it wouldn't be hidden 253 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:36,800 like it has been. And you can say, well, 254 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:38,640 you know, it was on the 2024 drawings, 255 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:42,880 but I would hope logic tells me the new 256 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:45,120 revised drawings of 2026 drawings would 257 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:47,920 be the most accurate, which they were 258 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:51,030 not. 259 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:53,440 And and you know, they're going to tie 260 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:54,959 into that system. The second thing is 261 00:10:54,959 --> 00:10:59,279 this whole problem was brought on by the NIPL water system, and it's been 262 00:10:59,279 --> 00:11:01,839 described as fair that these 26 263 00:11:01,839 --> 00:11:04,800 properties pay. Well, what's fairness? 264 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:08,240 you know, they had 40, 50, 60, 70 years 265 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:11,120 of not paying maintenance on the system 266 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:13,200 and I go out and spend 30,000 on a well 267 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:16,000 and pump and treatment system and then I 268 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:18,240 have to pay for them as well. I don't 269 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:20,880 consider that fair, but that's 270 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:22,560 mine. And I got to say, our counselor 271 00:11:22,560 --> 00:11:24,240 has been of no assistance because right 272 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:26,720 from the get-go, his position has always 273 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:29,600 been if it's going to go, you're going 274 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:32,240 to pay for it. Period. No discussion, no 275 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:35,279 nothing. I'm disappointed in that. I 276 00:11:35,279 --> 00:11:38,480 think it's a bad potential. 277 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:40,800 And and there was no process, no time in 278 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:43,040 this whole process was there any attempt 279 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:45,360 to address the concerns of the 26. 280 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:47,360 There's things that could have been done 281 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:51,680 to okay, let's say we pay $10,000 282 00:11:51,680 --> 00:11:53,760 and then if we hook up in the next 15 283 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:57,360 years, we pay uh starting off at 15,000 284 00:11:57,360 --> 00:12:00,399 going down to zero. Uh and it would have 285 00:12:00,399 --> 00:12:02,560 cost the others more, but I mean it it 286 00:12:02,560 --> 00:12:04,240 The way it's done, the whole process of 287 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:06,880 even trying to get peti petition 288 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:08,959 together is impossible because there's 289 00:12:08,959 --> 00:12:11,120 62 people who are saying, "Hey, if they 290 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:15,279 pay, we're 10, we're saving $10,000." 291 00:12:15,279 --> 00:12:17,040 Now, that's not coming out. That's 292 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:20,240 coming out of my pocket. 293 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:22,079 And to me, this this is a service that 294 00:12:22,079 --> 00:12:23,680 has very little to no value to me 295 00:12:23,680 --> 00:12:26,800 because I I have a great source of 296 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:30,230 water, 297 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:32,079 you know. 298 00:12:32,079 --> 00:12:34,000 Since there's such a willingness to, you 299 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:36,880 know, have this 26 people do this, I I 300 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:40,800 would say, you know, Mr. Wilkinson, 301 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:42,959 your honor, why don't you each throw 302 00:12:42,959 --> 00:12:45,519 10,000 into it? Pay for it. We're paying 303 00:12:45,519 --> 00:12:47,200 for a service we don't need. Let you pay 304 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:49,760 for it. Come on, let's everybody kick in 305 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:51,440 some money. I guess it's a little 306 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:53,839 different when it's not your money. I 307 00:12:53,839 --> 00:12:56,480 guess it's easy to spend other people's. 308 00:12:56,480 --> 00:12:58,079 I'm just saddened that there's been no 309 00:12:58,079 --> 00:13:00,720 attempt to address anything 310 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:02,880 to do with these 26 people. And Chris, 311 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:05,040 you've told people it's going to 312 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:06,399 increase their property values and you 313 00:13:06,399 --> 00:13:07,839 told another person it wouldn't increase 314 00:13:07,839 --> 00:13:10,800 their property values. Which is it? I'm 315 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:12,480 a I'm a home builder. My wife's a 316 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:14,800 realtor. Okay. Yeah. Laugh. It's funny, 317 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:15,360 isn't it? 318 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:17,279 >> Point of personal privilege. 319 00:13:17,279 --> 00:13:20,959 >> Yes. I was going to cut in. Um, I would 320 00:13:20,959 --> 00:13:24,000 just remind you that when delegating, 321 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:25,760 certainly valid to hear your perspective 322 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:27,519 and I appreciate your perspective, but 323 00:13:27,519 --> 00:13:31,440 please do not defam or call out council. 324 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:33,839 That's part of our procedural bylaw when 325 00:13:33,839 --> 00:13:34,240 you're 326 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:35,680 >> That's fine. I'm just I'm just telling 327 00:13:35,680 --> 00:13:37,839 it like it is. If someone says one thing 328 00:13:37,839 --> 00:13:40,000 and then says a different thing, if 329 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:42,320 that's calling them out, I'm sorry. I 330 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:44,399 apologize for that because at the end of 331 00:13:44,399 --> 00:13:46,639 the day, it shows 332 00:13:46,639 --> 00:13:49,519 certain things about what type of people 333 00:13:49,519 --> 00:13:51,519 they are. 334 00:13:51,519 --> 00:13:53,360 I I would like to say you don't do 335 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:55,839 something about it, but given everything 336 00:13:55,839 --> 00:13:58,880 I've seen, the lack of communication, 337 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:01,839 the lack of consideration for us, I have 338 00:14:01,839 --> 00:14:04,079 a feeling I've wasted my breath. Thank 339 00:14:04,079 --> 00:14:05,600 you. 340 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:07,440 >> Thank you, Clive, for joining us this 341 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:08,880 evening and sharing your experience. 342 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:10,959 Were there any questions of councel at 343 00:14:10,959 --> 00:14:12,639 this point? 344 00:14:12,639 --> 00:14:17,600 Okay, seeing none, uh we also have Raul 345 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:21,680 DGO who's joining us this evening. 346 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:24,560 Is Raul online? 347 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:28,480 Okay. Um I don't currently see Raul in 348 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:31,120 our chambers or online. 349 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:32,880 Um 350 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:36,639 if he comes later, we can address at 351 00:14:36,639 --> 00:14:39,600 that time. Um, calling Raul just one 352 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:41,600 more time. 353 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:43,279 Okay. 354 00:14:43,279 --> 00:14:46,480 All right. Um, so the recommendation is 355 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:49,040 that council dispense with item 13.3 356 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:52,320 separately as the uh recommended motion 357 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:55,680 to be amended highlighted below. So it 358 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:57,279 was the original circulated one and 359 00:14:57,279 --> 00:14:59,199 council has in front of them as well. 360 00:14:59,199 --> 00:15:04,240 Um, but that the report is-20226-9 361 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:06,399 Petersburg drinking water system local 362 00:15:06,399 --> 00:15:07,920 improvement bylaw be received for 363 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:09,360 information and that the local 364 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:13,040 improvement bylaw uh 26-60 Petersburg 365 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:15,680 local improvement be passed as and this 366 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:18,399 is the new change as amended to include 367 00:15:18,399 --> 00:15:20,079 Deerfield extension in the description 368 00:15:20,079 --> 00:15:22,000 of the work. And then back to the 369 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:23,839 regular motion and that the treasurer 370 00:15:23,839 --> 00:15:26,320 return with the special charges bylaw at 371 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:28,160 the culmination of the Petersburg 372 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:30,880 project currently anticipated early in 373 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:34,639 20128. Uh to get that on the floor moved 374 00:15:34,639 --> 00:15:36,240 by councelor Wilkinson. Is there a 375 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:38,399 seconder? Seconded by councelor Martin. 376 00:15:38,399 --> 00:15:39,839 And councelor Wilkinson you have a 377 00:15:39,839 --> 00:15:41,920 question or comment. 378 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:43,600 >> Uh thank you through the chair. Uh there 379 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:45,120 was a couple questions I actually wanted 380 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:48,399 to uh just address for um most of the 381 00:15:48,399 --> 00:15:51,199 residents in the affected area who did 382 00:15:51,199 --> 00:15:52,959 reach out and and I appreciate the 383 00:15:52,959 --> 00:15:54,959 correction on the bylaw to include uh 384 00:15:54,959 --> 00:15:56,639 Deerfield extension as that was missing 385 00:15:56,639 --> 00:16:00,079 initially but um uh director Vanderwal 386 00:16:00,079 --> 00:16:02,320 there was a question and I know we've 387 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:04,000 chatted about this but for the public 388 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:05,600 just to understand the difference in 389 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:08,560 cost between the original 62 and then 390 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:11,600 the additional um added homes I think it 391 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:15,839 was 20 23 or 25 whatever it was. But um 392 00:16:15,839 --> 00:16:16,959 if you could just explain that 393 00:16:16,959 --> 00:16:19,920 difference in the costing please. 394 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:22,399 >> Uh through the mayor for the original 26 395 00:16:22,399 --> 00:16:24,480 residents there was preliminary 396 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:27,360 investigation studies. The original 397 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:30,240 connection to the system including the 398 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:31,920 water meters that were installed that 399 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:34,240 was shared 400 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:37,360 among the original 62. I believe it is 401 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:39,519 the construction cost is what is being 402 00:16:39,519 --> 00:16:42,480 shared amongst I believe it is 80 is the 403 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:45,440 final number. So that that is the 404 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:48,399 difference. 405 00:16:48,399 --> 00:16:50,800 >> Any other questions? Councelor Wson 406 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:52,240 through the chair. No other questions. I 407 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:53,680 appreciate that. That's just so it's 408 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:55,279 those additional pieces in terms of the 409 00:16:55,279 --> 00:16:58,399 meter um that that is that cost 410 00:16:58,399 --> 00:17:00,639 difference between the two. So obviously 411 00:17:00,639 --> 00:17:04,079 if uh the homes that were added after 412 00:17:04,079 --> 00:17:06,799 the fact uh if they choose to meter that 413 00:17:06,799 --> 00:17:08,319 would be part of that cost that they 414 00:17:08,319 --> 00:17:11,839 would have to cover at the time 415 00:17:11,839 --> 00:17:13,439 through the mayor. It is anticipated 416 00:17:13,439 --> 00:17:15,520 that if a home would connect afterwards, 417 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:16,959 yes, they would have to do the plumbing 418 00:17:16,959 --> 00:17:19,839 permit, put a meter in those components. 419 00:17:19,839 --> 00:17:22,319 Some of the components for the original 420 00:17:22,319 --> 00:17:24,240 study would not need to be redone, but 421 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:28,789 that was the original 62. 422 00:17:28,799 --> 00:17:30,799 » Thank you. and uh through the chair just 423 00:17:30,799 --> 00:17:32,400 to to answer a couple other questions. 424 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:35,520 So um one of the other things that that 425 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:37,200 was brought up as I was discussing with 426 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:39,760 some uh residents in the area. So uh the 427 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:42,240 drawings itself are showing the full 428 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:43,919 redesign system including the looping 429 00:17:43,919 --> 00:17:46,400 onto Snider's Road in Notre Dame. Uh 430 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:48,720 phase one is to begin this year and 431 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:50,400 that's for Sners Road in Notre Dame. 432 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:51,840 Correct. And then phase two would be 433 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:54,880 next year inside the traditional uh 434 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:57,679 service area 435 00:17:57,679 --> 00:17:59,039 >> uh through the mayor. We've been having 436 00:17:59,039 --> 00:18:01,840 discussions with the contractor. They 437 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:04,799 are now anticipating starting next year 438 00:18:04,799 --> 00:18:06,559 and they believe they can do the 439 00:18:06,559 --> 00:18:08,400 majority of the works next year. So it 440 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:12,000 is probably 2027. 441 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:15,280 Uh we do note that due to the uh 442 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:18,880 requirements under the um local 443 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:20,960 improvement we had delayed the 444 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:22,880 contractor. So we are working with them 445 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:24,480 to get a better schedule and sure what's 446 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:26,480 going on. But that is what they have 447 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:30,150 indicated at this time. 448 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:32,720 Thank you. Uh and through the chair, if 449 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:34,799 I may one more time, uh just to sort of 450 00:18:34,799 --> 00:18:37,039 provide some context and explanation for 451 00:18:37,039 --> 00:18:40,240 uh anyone who may be unfamiliar, um 452 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:42,160 traditionally and and I know that I've 453 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:44,000 had this conversation with staff and 454 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:46,799 residents, but when infrastructure uh at 455 00:18:46,799 --> 00:18:48,799 the municipal level passes in front of a 456 00:18:48,799 --> 00:18:52,400 home, um then it is traditionally paid 457 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:54,480 for by the homeowner. and and a lot of 458 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:55,840 new developments would typically see 459 00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:58,160 that in the form of development charges 460 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:00,400 uh and would be paying essentially for 461 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:03,360 these services to go in. Um so I know 462 00:19:03,360 --> 00:19:05,840 that in in many cases at least precedent 463 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:08,320 setting in my opinion across Ontario we 464 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:10,480 see a lot of this whether it be sewage 465 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:14,720 or water uh hookups that essentially um 466 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:17,039 existing homes now have access to a new 467 00:19:17,039 --> 00:19:19,919 service and they pay for it. uh whether 468 00:19:19,919 --> 00:19:21,440 or not they choose to hook up to it 469 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:22,720 ultimately I guess is at the 470 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:25,440 determination of the homeowner. So it's 471 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:26,880 all saying that but thank you for your 472 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:28,480 work. 473 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:30,080 >> Any other questions or comments on this 474 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:31,840 council? 475 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:33,840 Seeing none, I'll call the vote on that. 476 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:35,200 It's been moved and seconded. So all 477 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:39,039 those in favor that carries unanimously. 478 00:19:39,039 --> 00:19:41,120 And then we do have the remaining items 479 00:19:41,120 --> 00:19:44,000 on our consent agenda which are 13.1, 480 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:47,360 13, and 13.2. Uh, did anybody want to 481 00:19:47,360 --> 00:19:50,320 pull either of these items before voting 482 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:53,200 on them? Not seeing that. May I have a 483 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:54,720 mover and a seconder? Moved by councelor 484 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:56,880 Cresman. Seconded by councelor Martin. 485 00:19:56,880 --> 00:19:59,280 All those in favor and that carries 486 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:01,679 unanimously. 487 00:20:01,679 --> 00:20:04,320 On to our reports for this evening. The 488 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:06,160 first report recommendation is that 489 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:09,280 report CAO-2026-25 490 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:11,520 strategic action plan update be received 491 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:13,360 for information. May I have a mover for 492 00:20:13,360 --> 00:20:15,679 this? Moved by councelor Martin. 493 00:20:15,679 --> 00:20:19,280 seconded by councelor Sadup and I will 494 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:21,360 now turn it over to CEO Wilmer to 495 00:20:21,360 --> 00:20:23,520 present this report. 496 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:27,360 >> Thank you very much Mayor Salonin. So uh 497 00:20:27,360 --> 00:20:29,520 this is uh the third update we've given 498 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:31,280 on the strategic action plan over the 499 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:33,760 last number of months and uh the number 500 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:36,480 of complete actions is up to 24 now up 501 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:38,880 from 16 when last reported we were 502 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:42,640 reported to council. Uh and there are six items there that we've 503 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:44,159 highlighted as having made significant 504 00:20:44,159 --> 00:20:45,600 progress. I'll just briefly touch on 505 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:47,919 those. One is the communication strategy 506 00:20:47,919 --> 00:20:50,320 refresh. Another is the adoption of the 507 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:52,480 official plan. There was also the 508 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:54,880 approval of the Ontario transit 509 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:57,200 investment fund, a grant of 3.4 million 510 00:20:57,200 --> 00:20:59,760 for for u improved transit to the four 511 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:02,320 townships in water region. The service 512 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:05,360 delivery review uh implementation plan 513 00:21:05,360 --> 00:21:07,200 and uh the naming rights and sponsorship 514 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:09,520 policy. In addition to that, when the 515 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:11,360 port report was written, it was our 516 00:21:11,360 --> 00:21:12,880 intention that the first phase of the 517 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:14,880 long-term financial plan be presented 518 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:18,000 tonight. Um, and after the report was 519 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:20,480 written, but before the agenda was um 520 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:22,400 was released, we determined that it 521 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:24,320 really wasn't ready yet. And we thought 522 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:26,640 that rather than bringing a not quite 523 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:28,799 ready project for discussion, we would 524 00:21:28,799 --> 00:21:31,360 defer that until it's uh more fully 525 00:21:31,360 --> 00:21:34,320 ready. And uh we take responsibility for 526 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:36,159 that. KPMG had done everything we had 527 00:21:36,159 --> 00:21:38,000 asked of them, but it was the township's 528 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:41,760 inputs that were holding matters back. 529 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:43,600 >> Thank you very much. Are there any 530 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:45,440 questions on this item? 531 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:46,480 >> Council Martin. 532 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:48,080 >> Uh through you, Mayor Salon, this isn't 533 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:50,400 so much a question as an affirmation. Uh 534 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:52,240 when when I go through this and see the 535 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:54,320 work that is being done and has been 536 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:56,880 completed, um I appreciate that work. 537 00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:58,960 So, thank you. 538 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:00,640 >> Any other questions or comments then? 539 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:01,919 Councelor Wilkinson. 540 00:22:01,919 --> 00:22:03,120 >> Thank you through the chair. I 541 00:22:03,120 --> 00:22:05,039 appreciate the explanation uh and the 542 00:22:05,039 --> 00:22:06,960 update on the the long-term financial 543 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:08,960 plan and capital plan. My my hope was is 544 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:10,400 that we would see that before the end of 545 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:13,600 this term, but uh under understand it is 546 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:14,960 uh is difficult. You want to make sure 547 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:17,760 you get it right. Um I did have a 548 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:20,080 question regarding the ERP project. I I 549 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:21,440 know we we've talked about this at 550 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:23,520 length and uh we've already earmarked 551 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:26,480 that 300,000 for it. So, um, just 552 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:28,880 wondering what's driving that increase 553 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:33,280 in cost, uh, up to half a million and how we plan to tackle this in the 554 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:34,480 future because I know this has been 555 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:38,240 hanging over us for a number of years. 556 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:39,440 >> Uh, through you, Mayor Helen and 557 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:41,600 Councelor Wilkinson. Uh, I can try to 558 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:45,039 attempt an answer for you. Um, the ERP 559 00:22:45,039 --> 00:22:47,200 project, you may recall there was a 560 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:49,039 pre-budget approval last summer actually 561 00:22:49,039 --> 00:22:52,880 for $500,000 for that software. Um it 562 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:56,400 did go through uh the RFP process. Uh 563 00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:58,880 bids were received. Uh the bids 564 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:01,200 indicated that the budget uh was not 565 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:03,600 going to be sufficient. In addition, as 566 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:06,400 you're aware, um there's some internal 567 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:10,240 processes that need to be uh reviewed 568 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:12,799 and refined prior to trying to implement 569 00:23:12,799 --> 00:23:14,640 new software. Implementing new software 570 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:16,640 doesn't solve any problems if your your 571 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:18,480 processes aren't ideal. So the first 572 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:23,039 step that we're approaching um is is to 573 00:23:23,039 --> 00:23:25,360 uh refine those processes internally and 574 00:23:25,360 --> 00:23:28,000 then probably reissue an RFP. Uh through 575 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:29,679 the budget process, you would receive 576 00:23:29,679 --> 00:23:32,559 additional information as to um the 577 00:23:32,559 --> 00:23:35,039 anticipated cost. But certainly that 578 00:23:35,039 --> 00:23:37,919 those monies, the 500,000 plus the the 579 00:23:37,919 --> 00:23:40,559 monies that were I I believe 130,000 580 00:23:40,559 --> 00:23:42,159 relative to project management of that 581 00:23:42,159 --> 00:23:44,080 project, uh those would remain in the 582 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:45,840 capital budget. Some of them would have 583 00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:47,760 been spent on the project manager, but 584 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:50,159 the the bulk of those funds would would 585 00:23:50,159 --> 00:23:54,720 retain uh until future report. 586 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:57,840 >> Any other questions or comments? Council 587 00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:00,080 >> Councelor Cresman, 588 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:02,080 >> it's through your merit. It's always 589 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:05,679 dangerous to ask a question which you're 590 00:24:05,679 --> 00:24:09,120 formerly ignorant of, but that usually 591 00:24:09,120 --> 00:24:12,559 doesn't stop me. Um uh so the question 592 00:24:12,559 --> 00:24:15,440 relates to some of the discussion we've 593 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:20,000 we had in Ottawa at the Association of 594 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:24,159 Municipalities of Ontario about AI and 595 00:24:24,159 --> 00:24:29,039 whether we have uh systems and we are 596 00:24:29,039 --> 00:24:32,159 adapting to systems that are uh would 597 00:24:32,159 --> 00:24:34,480 work with AI 598 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:37,200 uh into the future. And so you always 599 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:40,320 worry when you adopt a certain uh 600 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:43,279 software that it may be looking 601 00:24:43,279 --> 00:24:45,360 backwards rather than looking forward. 602 00:24:45,360 --> 00:24:48,080 And so I guess that's where the question 603 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:50,320 I know you had discussions you 604 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:52,559 understand that city of Kitchener's 605 00:24:52,559 --> 00:24:55,360 working with the software provider u 606 00:24:55,360 --> 00:24:59,919 with AI um streamlining streamlining 607 00:24:59,919 --> 00:25:04,559 answers to questions uh etc. So, as long 608 00:25:04,559 --> 00:25:07,919 as you have systems that mesh, again, my 609 00:25:07,919 --> 00:25:11,279 ignorance is showing, but uh obviously 610 00:25:11,279 --> 00:25:14,400 I'm just asking the question out of a a 611 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:17,039 way of saving dollars to the future as 612 00:25:17,039 --> 00:25:20,559 compared to saying uh we have something 613 00:25:20,559 --> 00:25:24,310 that's obsolete. 614 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:28,320 » Who wants to take that one? Wilmer can 615 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:30,480 >> I'm tempted to ask AI to draft an answer 616 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:32,880 for me so that I can quickly review that 617 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:34,559 and and give you an something that's 618 00:25:34,559 --> 00:25:36,559 impressive that I I may or may not have 619 00:25:36,559 --> 00:25:39,279 created myself. Um it's early days yet. 620 00:25:39,279 --> 00:25:41,440 I think that's no surprise to anyone. Um 621 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:48,240 we do have u co-pilot for our staff. The take upon it is limited, but we're 622 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:50,000 also aware that people either in their 623 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:51,840 personal lives or related to work are 624 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:54,240 starting to use other AI tools as well. 625 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:56,799 And so, uh, it's something we want to, 626 00:25:56,799 --> 00:25:58,799 um, encourage people to use with 627 00:25:58,799 --> 00:26:01,600 caution. Um, and we'll, uh, we're we're 628 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:04,000 working on a policy shortly that will 629 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:06,640 give people guidance as to which are, 630 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,360 um, platforms that are allowable and 631 00:26:09,360 --> 00:26:12,240 which ones are to be avoided. 632 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:14,559 >> And I see uh, Tracy might want to jump 633 00:26:14,559 --> 00:26:18,080 in on this as well. 634 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,720 >> For you, mayor, to members of council. 635 00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:22,720 Yes, that's always a consideration when 636 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,200 we're looking at uh software is to make 637 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:28,159 sure that it is agile enough to um 638 00:26:28,159 --> 00:26:32,320 manage what else is coming down the you know pipes with 639 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:36,320 regards to technology. Um I think there 640 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:38,159 is a lot of process of improvements 641 00:26:38,159 --> 00:26:40,640 available through AI but again we have 642 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:44,240 to be very um cautious um with using it 643 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:48,240 and which um which AI tools we use and 644 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:52,159 which ones we um basically control as 645 00:26:52,159 --> 00:26:54,159 well. 646 00:26:54,159 --> 00:26:56,400 >> Thank you Director Prince. Anybody 647 00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:59,120 wanted to add anything else? Nope. Okay. 648 00:26:59,120 --> 00:27:01,600 Um any other questions or comments? All 649 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:03,840 right. Seeing none, uh, all those in 650 00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:06,400 favor in accepting the action plan 651 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:08,960 update for information and that's 652 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:10,960 carried unanimously. 653 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:14,320 On to 14.2 and this is the work plan 654 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:16,880 update for August 2026. Also to be 655 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:18,720 received for information. If I could get 656 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:20,960 a mover and a secondary for this moved 657 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:22,240 by councelor Martin, seconded by 658 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:24,000 councelor Cresman and I will turn it 659 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:27,360 back over to CEO Wilmer. 660 00:27:27,360 --> 00:27:30,400 >> Thank you again, Mayor Salin. Uh so in 661 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:32,960 the uh the work plan for 2026 there are 662 00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:36,480 71 initiatives. 24 are complete 39 are 663 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:38,960 in progress. I I won't list the 24. 664 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:40,880 They're they're in the report. But we've 665 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:43,200 also um highlighted the report so that 666 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:45,360 any matters that have changed since the 667 00:27:45,360 --> 00:27:47,679 last time we reported to council are are 668 00:27:47,679 --> 00:27:50,240 highlighted in yellow. So it u for for 669 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:52,000 members of the of the community or for 670 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:53,919 council, you can quickly see what's been 671 00:27:53,919 --> 00:27:56,080 updated since the last report. And with 672 00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:57,919 that um happy to answer any questions 673 00:27:57,919 --> 00:27:59,600 you may have. 674 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:01,840 questions or comments on this one. We'll 675 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:05,039 go to council 9 and I I guess I'm 676 00:28:05,039 --> 00:28:08,000 affirmative Steve tonight. But um I I 677 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,559 would like to uh not a but and I would 678 00:28:10,559 --> 00:28:12,240 like to make an affirmation on this as 679 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:14,799 well. I I really appreciate these charts 680 00:28:14,799 --> 00:28:17,279 and and how it shows uh the work and 681 00:28:17,279 --> 00:28:19,679 clearly outlines and things that aren't 682 00:28:19,679 --> 00:28:22,320 done or that have not been completed. 683 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:24,960 It's clearly there. So I appreciate uh 684 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:27,120 you being candid on that and the 685 00:28:27,120 --> 00:28:29,840 information. Thank you. 686 00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,080 >> Thank you very much, counselor. And I 687 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:33,360 don't think it's a bad thing that you're 688 00:28:33,360 --> 00:28:35,679 affirming considering when we started 689 00:28:35,679 --> 00:28:37,120 this term, we weren't getting these 690 00:28:37,120 --> 00:28:38,720 kinds of reports. So, I think it's good 691 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:41,039 that they're valid and we're providing 692 00:28:41,039 --> 00:28:44,080 that information. Councelor Wilkinson, 693 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:47,200 >> thank you through the chair. um to CEO 694 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:49,360 Wilmer. Um 695 00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:51,440 given I know that uh we are approaching 696 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:53,679 maybe the the end of your term sort of 697 00:28:53,679 --> 00:28:55,919 heading into next year is is the plan to 698 00:28:55,919 --> 00:28:57,919 sort of accomplish as much of this as 699 00:28:57,919 --> 00:28:59,760 possible and prioritize some of those 700 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:01,520 pieces through the the upcoming bud 701 00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:04,559 budget process as well 702 00:29:04,559 --> 00:29:07,760 through the mayor in a word. Yes. Uh so 703 00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:11,039 u much of this work we believe will be 704 00:29:11,039 --> 00:29:13,360 completed in the calendar year. some 705 00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:16,159 projects will carry on through into 27. 706 00:29:16,159 --> 00:29:17,679 And in fact, there's there's a fair 707 00:29:17,679 --> 00:29:20,320 number of initiatives in here that that 708 00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:22,480 are maybe not so much project based. It 709 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:26,640 is it part of our ongoing work. So, it's work that will continue on. So, I 710 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:27,600 don't know that there's going to be all 711 00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:30,159 that many budget implications for this. 712 00:29:30,159 --> 00:29:32,320 is mostly work that's underway that 713 00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:36,399 we're doing with in-house resources. 714 00:29:36,399 --> 00:29:38,000 >> Any other questions or comments on this 715 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:41,360 council? Okay. Seeing none, all those in 716 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:44,799 favor? And that carries unanimously. 717 00:29:44,799 --> 00:29:48,640 Uh on to 14.3 and this is the budget 718 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:50,880 level of service for management of IT. 719 00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:53,279 The recommendation is that this report 720 00:29:53,279 --> 00:29:55,760 uh be received for information and that 721 00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:58,320 council refer consideration of managed 722 00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:01,200 IT services to the 2027 budget process 723 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:03,600 subject to the provision of a detailed 724 00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:05,440 assessment from staff. To get this on 725 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:07,440 the floor, may I have a mover? Moved by 726 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:10,399 councelor Cresman, seconded by councelor 727 00:30:10,399 --> 00:30:13,360 Martin. And I will now turn it over to 728 00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:15,279 deputy CEO and director of corporate 729 00:30:15,279 --> 00:30:18,640 services services, not services, 730 00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:20,880 Harold [laughter] Accraft. 731 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:22,559 >> Thank you, Mayor Salomon. Very briefly, 732 00:30:22,559 --> 00:30:24,559 this uh the purpose of this report is 733 00:30:24,559 --> 00:30:26,640 simply as a placeholder to the 2027 734 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:28,159 budget process, similar to other ones 735 00:30:28,159 --> 00:30:30,000 that you've uh seen over the last number 736 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,720 of months. uh to highlight that we did 737 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,840 move from a in-house supervisor of IT uh 738 00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:40,159 in 2025 to a managed IT service contract 739 00:30:40,159 --> 00:30:43,039 uh in the fall of 2025. Uh that contract 740 00:30:43,039 --> 00:30:45,120 is almost at the one-year mark. It was a 741 00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:48,080 two-year contract. And so prior to next 742 00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:49,760 uh fall, we will need to make a decision 743 00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:51,440 whether to continue with the contract 744 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:53,600 and extend it, whether to modify that 745 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:55,919 contract or whether to bring uh the 746 00:30:55,919 --> 00:30:58,880 management of IT services inhouse uh as 747 00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:01,120 it was prior to the contract. So it it's 748 00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:02,880 simply a placeholder report to identify 749 00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:04,000 that that will need to be a 750 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,320 consideration. Um we will need to take 751 00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,480 an action in 2027 and budget 752 00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:11,120 accordingly. Hopefully the report at the 753 00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:12,720 budget time will provide you with all 754 00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:16,320 the details of pros cons of the managed 755 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:18,640 surface versus in-house and the costing 756 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,919 associated with that. 757 00:31:21,919 --> 00:31:26,470 >> Questions or comments? Councelor Dunl. 758 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:29,919 » Thank you through Mayor. uh deputy um 759 00:31:29,919 --> 00:31:32,399 CEO Okrafka 760 00:31:32,399 --> 00:31:34,960 um when the report comes back have we 761 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,519 been able to or we will we be able to 762 00:31:37,519 --> 00:31:40,000 show the different service levels from 763 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,960 having it done in house versus having it 764 00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:46,480 contracted out 765 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:51,990 >> three yes 766 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,000 » councelor Wilkinson 767 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:55,679 >> thank you through the chair to even 768 00:31:55,679 --> 00:31:57,679 piggyback on councelor Dunstall's uh 769 00:31:57,679 --> 00:32:00,320 question. I'm I'm wondering if uh even 770 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:02,320 off the top of your head, just for the 771 00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:04,720 sake of of folks knowing, has there been 772 00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:06,399 any measurable improvements or any 773 00:32:06,399 --> 00:32:08,080 deficiencies that you've encountered at 774 00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:11,360 all? Even just at a very high level 775 00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:12,640 through Mayor Selen and Councelor 776 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,360 Wilkinson, I would say there's notable 777 00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:18,159 enhancements in our infrastructure 778 00:32:18,159 --> 00:32:20,960 requirements and identifying um best 779 00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:23,360 practices that we perhaps hadn't been 780 00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:24,960 following. So there's been a number of 781 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,519 those highlevel things that that 782 00:32:27,519 --> 00:32:29,919 definitely have been beneficial. At the 783 00:32:29,919 --> 00:32:32,720 same time, I would suggest that at a 784 00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:36,480 staff level, the customer service, the 785 00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:40,720 in-house aspect of that is probably on 786 00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:44,080 the lower end of of staff expectations. 787 00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:48,640 So there's there's a balance. We're getting higherend needs met, but 788 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:50,720 probably the day-to-day it's a bit more 789 00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:53,519 of a challenge uh by having only one 790 00:32:53,519 --> 00:32:55,120 person in house versus two people in 791 00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:58,799 house, but there's trade-offs and that's the trade-off that council will 792 00:32:58,799 --> 00:33:00,880 ultimately need to decide uh what the 793 00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:04,320 most important component of that is. 794 00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:06,880 >> Any other questions or comments on this? 795 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:07,840 >> Council Martin. 796 00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,240 >> Uh through you, Mayor Salin. I I I have 797 00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:13,519 noticed with with this contract um the 798 00:33:13,519 --> 00:33:18,399 additional requirements for training. We on council were also asked to 799 00:33:18,399 --> 00:33:21,360 participate in that uh training and that 800 00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:24,960 was comparable to um uh another 801 00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:26,960 organization that I work for where they 802 00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:29,519 do something very similar and and and so 803 00:33:29,519 --> 00:33:32,880 it seems like that was a a good move. I 804 00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:35,440 also know um there was a time I needed 805 00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:37,120 some help and I happened to be working 806 00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:39,200 late on a Friday night and I was able to 807 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:41,200 make a phone call because of this 808 00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:43,279 contract. They have the 24-hour service 809 00:33:43,279 --> 00:33:46,080 that if we have uh full-time staff, we 810 00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:47,679 don't have access to that service. 811 00:33:47,679 --> 00:33:49,360 Having said that, when we had two 812 00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:51,120 full-time staff, I was very happy with 813 00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:52,480 their work. I'm not in any way 814 00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:54,799 complaining about that. But I but I do I 815 00:33:54,799 --> 00:33:56,559 do notice this with the larger 816 00:33:56,559 --> 00:33:58,320 structure, the benefits that that can 817 00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:01,120 bring. 818 00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:02,960 >> Very good. Any other questions or 819 00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,840 comments? Seeing none, all those in 820 00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:09,440 favor? And that's carried unanimously. 821 00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:13,200 On to 14.4. And this is the zone change 822 00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:17,119 application for 148 to 166 Pel Street in 823 00:34:17,119 --> 00:34:19,679 New Hamburg. The recommendation is that 824 00:34:19,679 --> 00:34:21,280 this report be received for information 825 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:23,040 and that council approve the zoning 826 00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:26,000 change application 07-26 827 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:28,560 as set out in the draft bylaw included 828 00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:31,679 as attachment E to this report. to get 829 00:34:31,679 --> 00:34:33,119 this on the floor. May I have a mover, 830 00:34:33,119 --> 00:34:34,960 please? Moved by Councelor Sadu, 831 00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:37,679 seconded by Councelor Martin. And I will 832 00:34:37,679 --> 00:34:39,520 turn it over to Director Martin to 833 00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:42,720 introduce this report, please. 834 00:34:42,720 --> 00:34:44,800 >> Thank you, Mayor Solomon. Um I'll 835 00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:47,200 explain briefly the report. Uh we did 836 00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:48,800 have an extensive discussion at the 837 00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:50,639 previous council meeting about this. Um 838 00:34:50,639 --> 00:34:53,599 the proposal continues to be the um 839 00:34:53,599 --> 00:34:56,800 adaptive reuse reuse of the uh Hamburg 840 00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,680 felt boot uh building in New Hamburg. Uh 841 00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:01,760 the proposal includes removal of a 842 00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:03,119 portion of the rear of the building, 843 00:35:03,119 --> 00:35:04,960 maintaining the three-story kind of 844 00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:08,480 heritage piece and reconstructing a uh 845 00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:12,160 four to six story edition um in the uh 846 00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:14,079 the rear of the building to accommodate 847 00:35:14,079 --> 00:35:16,000 uh commercial on the main floor and uh 848 00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:20,000 49 residential um units. Um at the 849 00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,640 public meeting, the primary discussion 850 00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:24,640 points were regarding parking and the 851 00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:27,200 height of the building. Um so since that 852 00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:30,720 meeting staff did uh as we promised 853 00:35:30,720 --> 00:35:32,560 would go through and look at the uh the 854 00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:34,240 downtown parking availability compared 855 00:35:34,240 --> 00:35:37,040 to what we had noted in the 2016 study 856 00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:40,720 uh that we had undertaken. Um and the 857 00:35:40,720 --> 00:35:42,720 consensus in that in that count is that 858 00:35:42,720 --> 00:35:44,960 ultimately there was a mild a minor 859 00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:47,760 increase of about uh six spaces uh in 860 00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:49,440 the core. There were some losses in some 861 00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:51,440 area but uh the increase in parking in 862 00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:53,280 the Wilmont Street parking lot was the 863 00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:55,920 primary factor increasing that number. 864 00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:59,839 So ultimately um there is still ample 865 00:35:59,839 --> 00:36:01,920 parking available in the core is is the 866 00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:03,839 conclusion that we've drawn from that. 867 00:36:03,839 --> 00:36:07,040 Uh as we noted in the 2016 study uh a 868 00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:08,640 lot of concerns we hear from people is 869 00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:10,640 proximity right so can you see your 870 00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:12,880 destination from where you park and uh 871 00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:14,560 that seems to be the ongoing concern 872 00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:16,320 when we talk about parking in downtown 873 00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:18,400 New Hampshire. One of the advantages of 874 00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:20,480 this application is that you'll be able 875 00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:22,000 to see the Wilmont Street parking lot 876 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,720 from this redevelopment. So the midpoint 877 00:36:24,720 --> 00:36:26,240 access that's proposed through this 878 00:36:26,240 --> 00:36:28,320 redevelopment will have line of sight to 879 00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:30,320 the Wilmont lot street parking lot. Um 880 00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:32,480 so we anticipate that better utilization 881 00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:34,480 of that facility will actually alleviate 882 00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:37,200 maybe some parking on Peele Street um 883 00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:39,599 that currently accesses the services at 884 00:36:39,599 --> 00:36:41,680 Pycom House but certainly will 885 00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:45,599 complement if nothing else. Um so there continues to be ample parking 886 00:36:45,599 --> 00:36:47,200 available to service the commercial 887 00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:49,119 needs. Um from a residential 888 00:36:49,119 --> 00:36:51,680 perspective, the proposal provides one 889 00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:54,000 parking space per dwelling unit. Um 890 00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,480 which from a staff level, uh we feel is 891 00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:58,720 appropriate in this location. Um there 892 00:36:58,720 --> 00:37:01,200 is opportunity for walking to amenity 893 00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:04,480 areas. Um and ultimately the owner of 894 00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:06,160 the property dictates who lives in the 895 00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:08,160 building. So if they [snorts] don't want 896 00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:10,480 to sell or rent a unit to a property 897 00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:13,440 owner that has two cars, then they don't 898 00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:15,200 need to do that. and it may not be the 899 00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:16,800 appropriate place to be located if you 900 00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:18,800 do have two cars. So, there is that kind 901 00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:20,800 of fall back if we're wrong on our 902 00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:22,480 assumptions that the owner owner of the 903 00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:24,480 property has the ultimate authority and 904 00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:26,800 opportunity to control. 905 00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:30,000 Um, from a height perspective, um staff 906 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:31,839 have noted previously that we feel that 907 00:37:31,839 --> 00:37:34,160 the design of this site does complement 908 00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:36,800 the core. um maintaining the current 909 00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:38,880 three-story building, having the taller 910 00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:40,560 buildings set back to the midpoint of 911 00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:43,280 the property um you know is somewhat 912 00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:45,599 reflective of of industry, right? The 913 00:37:45,599 --> 00:37:47,520 taller pieces of industrial buildings 914 00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:50,400 often were central to those site um 915 00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:52,240 evidenced by the taller stack on the 916 00:37:52,240 --> 00:37:54,800 felt boot factory right now. Um so 917 00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:56,960 certainly we feel the developer has done 918 00:37:56,960 --> 00:38:00,079 a good job in in u um providing a 919 00:38:00,079 --> 00:38:02,480 redevelopment that complements the core. 920 00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:04,240 Uh we did circulate the heritage 921 00:38:04,240 --> 00:38:05,839 committee and at the previous heritage 922 00:38:05,839 --> 00:38:08,000 meeting uh the the committee did endorse 923 00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,560 the proposal uh as noted in the report. 924 00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:13,760 Um so we they have indicated they they 925 00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:15,040 would like to work with the owner to see 926 00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:16,079 if there's pieces that could be 927 00:38:16,079 --> 00:38:18,000 reclaimed from from demolition and 928 00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,160 certainly those conversations continue 929 00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:22,320 to happen but the important piece is the 930 00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:24,400 committee to take a perspective on on 931 00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:26,240 the uh on the development and we're 932 00:38:26,240 --> 00:38:27,920 supportive. 933 00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:30,160 Uh, I will leave my comments at that 934 00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:31,280 because I think those were the primary 935 00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:32,640 discussion points previously, but 936 00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:34,400 certainly uh I'm here to answer 937 00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:36,480 questions and uh the uh the owners of 938 00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:38,720 the property I I believe are also in in 939 00:38:38,720 --> 00:38:41,440 attendance as well. 940 00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:46,390 >> Uh we'll go to councelor Cresman first. 941 00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:49,520 » Uh through you mayor to director Martin. 942 00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:53,760 Uh I was uh looking at the uh drawings 943 00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:56,079 especially of the parking and wondering 944 00:38:56,079 --> 00:38:59,440 if uh guests would come in Peele Street 945 00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:02,480 whether they could um go across the 946 00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:05,280 front of the proposed building uh drop 947 00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:09,520 off passengers and then exit onto Woman 948 00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:12,079 Street and park in the Woman Street 949 00:39:12,079 --> 00:39:15,520 parking lot because I was informed by 950 00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:18,400 someone this week uh that there wouldn't 951 00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:21,280 be exits. It's on uh either side of 952 00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:25,359 Jackson Square. So I I could interpret 953 00:39:25,359 --> 00:39:28,320 an exit in one of the drawings, I could 954 00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:30,640 not in the other. So I was just 955 00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:33,520 wondering whether that was blind on the 956 00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:37,280 side uh or whether was accessible to W 957 00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:39,520 Street. 958 00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:41,280 uh dear mayor Sal and certainly the 959 00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:43,119 design is conceptual at this point but 960 00:39:43,119 --> 00:39:45,680 as proposed uh there wouldn't the what 961 00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:47,680 was the Jackson plaza whatever would not 962 00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:49,760 have access to Wilmont Street directly 963 00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:54,720 um uh the this the felt boot site uh has 964 00:39:54,720 --> 00:39:56,640 two-way traffic so connecting both Pa 965 00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:58,000 and Wilmont Street so you would be able 966 00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:00,079 to come through um the plaza would be 967 00:40:00,079 --> 00:40:01,920 disconnected from from Wilmont Street 968 00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:03,200 though 969 00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:05,920 >> that's mayor that's what I was I guess I 970 00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:08,960 understood that the uh Jackson Square on 971 00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:11,200 the north side of Jackson Square was 972 00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:13,200 not, but I was wondering on the south 973 00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:15,520 side of Jackson Square between that and 974 00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:19,040 the felt booth had access and I had the 975 00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:21,119 impression it was and somebody was 976 00:40:21,119 --> 00:40:25,200 trying to tell me it didn't. 977 00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:27,920 >> Councelor Dunstall, 978 00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:31,520 >> thank you, Mayor. And um Director Martin 979 00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:33,760 and I have had many many a conversation 980 00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:36,160 about this and and uh and I don't think 981 00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:38,480 it's a big surprise where I stand on 982 00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:42,240 height and and how it impacts um how it 983 00:40:42,240 --> 00:40:43,920 impacts the downtown and how it impacts 984 00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:46,079 our skyline. I did also want to mention 985 00:40:46,079 --> 00:40:48,079 that, you know, afterthought and I and I 986 00:40:48,079 --> 00:40:49,520 understand that the parking is an issue 987 00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:52,000 and people like to see, you know, uh 988 00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:53,599 from the establishment that they go to 989 00:40:53,599 --> 00:40:55,760 where their vehicle is and vice versa, 990 00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:58,319 but having been to Kitchener recently um 991 00:40:58,319 --> 00:41:01,119 and having to park in uh an underground 992 00:41:01,119 --> 00:41:02,880 parking and then walk several blocks to 993 00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:05,119 where I wanted to go made me realize 994 00:41:05,119 --> 00:41:07,119 that it isn't uh quite so bad. So, I 995 00:41:07,119 --> 00:41:10,240 just wanted to share that. 996 00:41:10,240 --> 00:41:12,480 >> Thank you, counselor. Any other 997 00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:15,200 questions or comments? Councelor Watson. 998 00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:17,520 >> Uh thank you through the chair. Um I 999 00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:18,800 mean we we we've discussed this 1000 00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:20,319 extensively at the public meeting as 1001 00:41:20,319 --> 00:41:22,319 well and and generally very much in 1002 00:41:22,319 --> 00:41:25,200 favor of what's being proposed here. Um 1003 00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:26,800 one point of interest to me was reading 1004 00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:28,800 the report when it was mentioned that 1005 00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:31,280 there would be uh agreements to 1006 00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:33,440 basically ensure that the parking that 1007 00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:36,319 is designated at the 144 Peele Street 1008 00:41:36,319 --> 00:41:41,040 site um would remain with the the 1009 00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:42,560 residential development. So I'm just 1010 00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:44,160 curious how that will play out given 1011 00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:46,240 that it's not necessarily going to be 1012 00:41:46,240 --> 00:41:50,720 severed as one and and combined. 1013 00:41:50,720 --> 00:41:52,560 >> Thank you through Mayor S. So there is 1014 00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:54,319 opportunity through parking agreements 1015 00:41:54,319 --> 00:41:57,040 andor site plan agreements to we have I 1016 00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:58,640 can think of one other example where 1017 00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:01,119 we've had site uh parking on an adjacent 1018 00:42:01,119 --> 00:42:03,119 site through the site plan agreement 1019 00:42:03,119 --> 00:42:05,200 registered on both properties. It it 1020 00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:07,760 tied the use of that parking for for 1021 00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:10,319 permanency. So ultimately an agreement 1022 00:42:10,319 --> 00:42:12,160 registered on each property that says 1023 00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:15,119 those spaces are available to you know X 1024 00:42:15,119 --> 00:42:17,599 property uh and then vice versa so that 1025 00:42:17,599 --> 00:42:19,680 it it basically ties them together but 1026 00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:20,880 doesn't force them to merge the 1027 00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:22,640 properties together so it it gives that 1028 00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:25,440 permanency. 1029 00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:27,280 >> Councelor Stup, 1030 00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:30,319 >> thank you. Just a comment. Uh overall um 1031 00:42:30,319 --> 00:42:34,160 uh I like the project. I I think it's a 1032 00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:35,920 overall positive investment to our 1033 00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:39,200 community. I know parking has been uh a 1034 00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:42,560 hot topic, but every time I've driven by 1035 00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:44,640 on Wilmont Street and seen our municipal 1036 00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:47,119 parking lot, I haven't encountered more 1037 00:42:47,119 --> 00:42:48,880 than five, six cars off the top of my 1038 00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:51,680 head. Um municipal parking is a public 1039 00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:54,160 asset and if it's consistently 1040 00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:56,640 underused, we're we need to support it 1041 00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:59,839 by having nearby developments so we we 1042 00:42:59,839 --> 00:43:02,560 can maximize that investment. And when 1043 00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:04,480 comparing to other municipalities and 1044 00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:06,400 downtown cores, whether it be Stratford 1045 00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:09,760 or Myra, it's a catch 22. We want to 1046 00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:11,440 have people downtown with the businesses 1047 00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:13,280 want to thrive. 1048 00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:15,200 But a sign of a good downtown is also if 1049 00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:16,480 it's thriving and you're not finding 1050 00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:17,839 good parking or you're not finding 1051 00:43:17,839 --> 00:43:19,599 parking, that's a sign of people are 1052 00:43:19,599 --> 00:43:21,200 down there and they want to be there. 1053 00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:25,280 Um, just my own uh self owning a small 1054 00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:26,720 business in town, having to do 1055 00:43:26,720 --> 00:43:29,200 deliveries. I never once had an issue 1056 00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:31,599 delivering pizzas downtown. 1057 00:43:31,599 --> 00:43:33,359 Even if I need to park for a quick 30 1058 00:43:33,359 --> 00:43:39,200 seconds to get out and my drivers never had an issue, but obviously when 1059 00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:41,359 you're in a downtown core, it's never 1060 00:43:41,359 --> 00:43:43,839 supposed to be easy to find parking, but 1061 00:43:43,839 --> 00:43:45,440 I'm not necessarily saying it's super 1062 00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:48,480 hard either. Um, as far as the the 1063 00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:50,240 building heights go, I've always been a 1064 00:43:50,240 --> 00:43:52,560 proponent of if they are placed in their 1065 00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:55,359 proper areas, so along regional roads in 1066 00:43:55,359 --> 00:43:57,280 the downtown settings. And if done 1067 00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:00,880 tastefully like this uh uh property is, 1068 00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:02,800 I think it can be bode well for the 1069 00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:05,520 township. 1070 00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:07,040 >> Councelor Dunel. 1071 00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:09,839 >> Thank you, Mayor. I actually did want to 1072 00:44:09,839 --> 00:44:12,480 u just verify with uh Director Martin, 1073 00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:14,079 and I've had a few people ask me this, 1074 00:44:14,079 --> 00:44:17,200 and I'm 99.9% sure that this is correct, 1075 00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:19,920 but all of the parking spots uh 39 1076 00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:22,800 parking spots, whatever it is, 49, they 1077 00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:25,119 are already owned. They are not 1078 00:44:25,119 --> 00:44:26,800 municipal parking spots. They are 1079 00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:29,440 already owned by the owners of this 1080 00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:33,040 particular building. Correct. 1081 00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:34,160 >> That is correct. 1082 00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:37,119 >> Thank you. 1083 00:44:37,119 --> 00:44:38,880 >> Any other questions or comments on this? 1084 00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:41,040 Counselor Councelor Cresman, 1085 00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:43,839 >> this is anecdotal, but if you want to go 1086 00:44:43,839 --> 00:44:46,240 to a Yankee Stadium and stay in the 1087 00:44:46,240 --> 00:44:49,440 Bronx, the solution to parking Saturday 1088 00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:52,720 night is double parking on the road, 1089 00:44:52,720 --> 00:44:55,920 even if it's raining. So anyhow, it's 1090 00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:58,160 just, you know, 1091 00:44:58,160 --> 00:44:59,760 >> I'm not certain that we're approving 1092 00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:03,040 double parking in downtown New 1093 00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:04,800 Hampshire, but [laughter] 1094 00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:07,801 thank you for the anecdote, counselor. 1095 00:45:07,801 --> 00:45:09,440 [gasps] 1096 00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:12,319 I think everyone has said what they'd 1097 00:45:12,319 --> 00:45:14,480 like to on this matter. I just want to 1098 00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:16,400 say I think this is a really exciting 1099 00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:19,440 proposal and new chapter um both for the 1100 00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:22,560 old felt boot factory and for downtown 1101 00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:24,160 as we're continuing to see it be 1102 00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:27,200 rejuvenated. Um and I think that this is 1103 00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:30,400 also filling um the call for some people 1104 00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:32,000 who want to be able to downsize but 1105 00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:34,160 remain in Wilmont. I really think that 1106 00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:35,920 uh the apartment component will speak to 1107 00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:37,760 that and personally I look forward to 1108 00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:40,400 the spa um granted should it be approved 1109 00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:42,720 and built. So, I just wanted to note 1110 00:45:42,720 --> 00:45:44,079 that I think this is a really great 1111 00:45:44,079 --> 00:45:46,560 investment um for the community and 1112 00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:48,880 thank you uh to the owners for bringing 1113 00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:51,839 it forward. Councelor Martin, Mayor 1114 00:45:51,839 --> 00:45:53,760 Salon, it looks like I was the only one 1115 00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:55,839 that has not made a comment and I didn't 1116 00:45:55,839 --> 00:45:57,839 want my silence to be seen as negative. 1117 00:45:57,839 --> 00:46:00,960 I I I think it's a great project. I'm um 1118 00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:03,839 very happy that it's coming. Um I know 1119 00:46:03,839 --> 00:46:05,599 that there are people concerned about 1120 00:46:05,599 --> 00:46:07,839 parking and I'm not in any way trying to 1121 00:46:07,839 --> 00:46:10,319 reject their comments. As I stated in 1122 00:46:10,319 --> 00:46:12,000 the last meeting, I'm happy to continue 1123 00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:14,160 working with them on that. But thank you 1124 00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:18,160 uh to this uh project coming forward. 1125 00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:19,680 >> With that, I will call the vote all 1126 00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:21,920 those in favor. And that carries 1127 00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:23,680 unanimously. 1128 00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:27,680 On to 14.5. And that is the zone change 1129 00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:30,079 application 06-26 1130 00:46:30,079 --> 00:46:31,760 Neville Street, New Hamburg, also known 1131 00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:34,640 as Tri County Menanite Homes. The 1132 00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:36,240 recommendation is that the report be 1133 00:46:36,240 --> 00:46:37,760 received for information and that 1134 00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:39,200 council approve the zone change 1135 00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:41,760 application to reszone the subject lands 1136 00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:45,280 from a zone 4 residential to a zone 11 1137 00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:47,839 sorry and zone 11 open space to a zone 1138 00:46:47,839 --> 00:46:50,960 12 institutional and zone 11 open space 1139 00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:52,319 to get this on the floor. May I have a 1140 00:46:52,319 --> 00:46:54,240 mover please? Moved by councelor Sadu. 1141 00:46:54,240 --> 00:46:56,560 Seconded by councelor Cresman and I will 1142 00:46:56,560 --> 00:47:00,400 turn it back over to director Martin. 1143 00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:02,480 >> Uh thank you Mayor Solon. Uh again, this 1144 00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:04,640 application was discussed at length the 1145 00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:06,560 previous uh council meeting at the 1146 00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:08,240 public meeting for the application. Um 1147 00:47:08,240 --> 00:47:10,720 the proposal hasn't changed since then. 1148 00:47:10,720 --> 00:47:13,520 Uh it uh proposes to change the zoning 1149 00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:15,520 of a current zone 4 property which 1150 00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:16,880 allows for residential apartment 1151 00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:19,760 building uh to zone 12 institutional 1152 00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:22,000 which would allow for uh a long-term 1153 00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:24,319 care facility. That's proposed. Um there 1154 00:47:24,319 --> 00:47:26,079 were certainly discussions about height 1155 00:47:26,079 --> 00:47:28,880 uh on the application. Uh zone 12 does 1156 00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:30,960 not have a maximum height requirement. 1157 00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:32,640 So that's why that doesn't appear as 1158 00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:35,040 part of the requests in the application. 1159 00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:38,160 The sideyard setback increases with the 1160 00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:39,359 height of a building and in this 1161 00:47:39,359 --> 00:47:42,000 instance uh the sideyard setback exceeds 1162 00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:43,680 what would otherwise be required for a 1163 00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:46,560 building of the height proposed. Um that 1164 00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:49,760 does not uh um 1165 00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:51,680 leave doesn't say that there isn't an 1166 00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:53,440 opportunity for consideration of 1167 00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:55,119 redesigns through the detailed design of 1168 00:47:55,119 --> 00:47:56,880 the property because height isn't being 1169 00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:58,400 proposed one way or the other with this 1170 00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:01,200 application. So it provides flexibility 1171 00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:03,440 uh to the ultimate design of the site. 1172 00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:07,280 Um and uh you know that's generally the 1173 00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:09,040 way it works with an institutional zone. 1174 00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:17,040 We have other properties that uh that have those same flexibility uh for height. Um ultimately the applicant 1175 00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:19,760 did review opportunities for the site to 1176 00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:21,760 look at modifying the footprint of the 1177 00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:24,559 building uh and based on restrictions 1178 00:48:24,559 --> 00:48:25,760 from the Grand River Conservation 1179 00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:28,720 Authority for slope stability and flood 1180 00:48:28,720 --> 00:48:32,720 uh issues on the site. Ultimately, uh 1181 00:48:32,720 --> 00:48:34,480 there isn't sufficient building envelope 1182 00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:37,520 to expand, uh the site and continue to 1183 00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:39,760 meet the requirements of the province's 1184 00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:42,960 long-term care home design manual that 1185 00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:44,880 talks about residential home areas. So, 1186 00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:46,000 there was some discussion about the 1187 00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:49,760 previous meeting about that. Uh and they had evaluated that through the 1188 00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:52,000 design of the site. So, um, where 1189 00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:54,319 they're proposing parking, uh, closer to 1190 00:48:54,319 --> 00:48:58,079 Albert Street, um, ultimately to 1191 00:48:58,079 --> 00:48:59,599 continue to provide ample parking for 1192 00:48:59,599 --> 00:49:00,960 the site, there isn't a building 1193 00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:02,960 envelope available on in that area to 1194 00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:05,760 accommodate, um, kind of a a smaller 1195 00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:07,440 building or a shorter building rather 1196 00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:09,920 with with a bigger footprint. And so, so 1197 00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:11,520 the applicant is here to speak to more 1198 00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:13,359 of those technicalities as necessary. 1199 00:49:13,359 --> 00:49:15,520 But it is something that was evaluated 1200 00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:17,280 through the design and, uh, the 1201 00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:18,640 application that's been brought forward 1202 00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:20,960 is based on that. the work that they've 1203 00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:23,839 undertaken to determine availability. Um 1204 00:49:23,839 --> 00:49:25,920 the parking is more than what's 1205 00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:28,640 requirement required for the site but 1206 00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:30,559 even with reducing the parking it it 1207 00:49:30,559 --> 00:49:31,839 doesn't create a new building envelope 1208 00:49:31,839 --> 00:49:33,680 to support what's needed for the for the 1209 00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:36,640 property. So um from a staff perspective 1210 00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:38,800 uh we feel it is appropriate for the 1211 00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:42,240 area. Um we think it is a is good for 1212 00:49:42,240 --> 00:49:44,480 the community in terms of investment uh 1213 00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:47,680 economic development uh job creation and 1214 00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:50,000 supporting the continuation of of 1215 00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:53,839 transition of of uh um uh of life stages 1216 00:49:53,839 --> 00:49:55,040 in the community right giving 1217 00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:56,319 opportunity for people to continue to 1218 00:49:56,319 --> 00:49:58,880 live in New Hamburg. So um from that 1219 00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:01,440 perspective uh we've don't have any 1220 00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:03,440 concerns and certainly are recommending 1221 00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:06,559 approval of the application. 1222 00:50:06,559 --> 00:50:10,000 >> Thank you. Um, with that we do have one 1223 00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:11,680 registered delegate. So I will invite 1224 00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:13,599 them up to speak and then council can uh 1225 00:50:13,599 --> 00:50:16,000 discuss and ask questions after. Our 1226 00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:18,880 registered delegation is Brian Shots. 1227 00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:20,720 Thank you very much Brian for coming 1228 00:50:20,720 --> 00:50:22,559 today and I believe that you are 1229 00:50:22,559 --> 00:50:24,720 representing the applicant. So you will 1230 00:50:24,720 --> 00:50:28,240 have seven minutes. 1231 00:50:28,240 --> 00:50:30,319 >> Good evening. I feel I'll be repeating a 1232 00:50:30,319 --> 00:50:33,599 lot of what uh Mr. Martin has just said, 1233 00:50:33,599 --> 00:50:35,760 but I'll go through my notes anyway. I'm 1234 00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:37,920 Brian Shance with FA Design Studio. 1235 00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:40,160 We're located in Waterlue and I'm here 1236 00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:41,920 as authorized agent for Tri County 1237 00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:44,319 Menite Homes who own the property 1238 00:50:44,319 --> 00:50:46,720 located at Neville and Victoria Streets 1239 00:50:46,720 --> 00:50:49,119 in New Hamburg and I'm speaking to that 1240 00:50:49,119 --> 00:50:53,200 zone change application 06/26. 1241 00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:55,839 In the audience is Dr. Steven Harrison 1242 00:50:55,839 --> 00:50:57,839 who is the CEO of Tri County Menite 1243 00:50:57,839 --> 00:51:00,160 Homes. Also, 1244 00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:01,440 Tri [clears throat] County Menite Homes 1245 00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:04,000 is a nonprofit organization. It's been 1246 00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:05,680 providing needed services in the 1247 00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:10,079 township of Wilmont since 1968. 1248 00:51:10,079 --> 00:51:12,319 Quite some time. Discussions have been 1249 00:51:12,319 --> 00:51:14,079 had with township staff along with other 1250 00:51:14,079 --> 00:51:15,920 commenting agencies related to this 1251 00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:19,119 specific project with many usual 1252 00:51:19,119 --> 00:51:20,800 questions having been considered or 1253 00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:22,880 addressed in the previous application 1254 00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:24,480 that was for a senior's apartment 1255 00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:26,720 building. It puts us at a point of 1256 00:51:26,720 --> 00:51:28,480 eliminating some of the questions when 1257 00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:30,480 you come forward at this stage. We have 1258 00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:32,079 an understanding, staff has an 1259 00:51:32,079 --> 00:51:34,559 understanding of how and when and where 1260 00:51:34,559 --> 00:51:37,599 this can go forward from here. Important 1261 00:51:37,599 --> 00:51:39,839 to note that the region of Waterlue, 1262 00:51:39,839 --> 00:51:42,000 Grand River Conservation Authority, and 1263 00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:44,559 Anova have all confirmed they have no 1264 00:51:44,559 --> 00:51:46,960 concerns with this application. 1265 00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:48,559 Township staff are recommending 1266 00:51:48,559 --> 00:51:50,960 approval, as you've just heard again, of 1267 00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:52,720 this application. 1268 00:51:52,720 --> 00:51:54,480 In addition to many construction jobs 1269 00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:56,079 that will be created over four years, 1270 00:51:56,079 --> 00:51:58,800 Tri County will also be creating between 1271 00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:01,920 five and 600 new full-time permanent 1272 00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:04,240 jobs with this facility in the 1273 00:52:04,240 --> 00:52:06,400 community, which is considerable in a 1274 00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:08,559 community of this size along with other 1275 00:52:08,559 --> 00:52:10,960 economic benefits. 1276 00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:15,280 The application to be decided tonight by 1277 00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:17,119 council is to allow construction of a 1278 00:52:17,119 --> 00:52:20,480 new 224 bed long-term care facility on 1279 00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:23,760 this property. In 2019, zoning approval 1280 00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:27,119 was given for by township council to 1281 00:52:27,119 --> 00:52:30,800 construct a 97 an approximately 97 unit 1282 00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:33,119 seniors apartment on this site. But 1283 00:52:33,119 --> 00:52:34,960 since then, the direction of the board 1284 00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:37,760 of Tri County Menite has taken to focus 1285 00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:40,160 more exclusively on senior care 1286 00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:42,880 facilities. There's a great need. It 1287 00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:44,559 should be noted that the current site 1288 00:52:44,559 --> 00:52:46,720 zoning permits multiple unit residential 1289 00:52:46,720 --> 00:52:49,839 uses and the proposed zoning is also for 1290 00:52:49,839 --> 00:52:52,240 residential use under institutional that 1291 00:52:52,240 --> 00:52:56,240 permits the long-term care. 1292 00:52:56,240 --> 00:52:58,960 This is all that's being applied for. No 1293 00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:02,160 other zoning matters require changes to 1294 00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:04,640 the current zoning township zoning 1295 00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:06,800 bylaw. 1296 00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:08,720 As noted in the township report, this 1297 00:53:08,720 --> 00:53:10,400 application meets the current and new 1298 00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:12,880 official plan requirements. There's a 1299 00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:14,640 great need for more of these facilities 1300 00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:16,559 as a significant percentage of the 1301 00:53:16,559 --> 00:53:19,119 population continues to move into the 1302 00:53:19,119 --> 00:53:21,520 latter stages of life. Tri County 1303 00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:23,440 recognize that their current facilities 1304 00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:26,000 will not meet the demand and as such 1305 00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:27,920 this is a wonderful opportunity for 1306 00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:31,119 Wilmont to add the fac to the facilities 1307 00:53:31,119 --> 00:53:33,359 that will allow more senior residents to 1308 00:53:33,359 --> 00:53:36,160 remain in their own community. 1309 00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:38,240 The question is no longer, and I quote 1310 00:53:38,240 --> 00:53:40,960 this uh from Dr. Harrison, the question 1311 00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:43,119 is no longer whether the demand for 1312 00:53:43,119 --> 00:53:46,000 long-term care will grow. The evidence 1313 00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:48,480 demonstrates that it will. The real 1314 00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:50,079 question is whether communities like 1315 00:53:50,079 --> 00:53:52,400 ours will have sufficient, modern, 1316 00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:55,040 highquality, missiondriven 1317 00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:57,839 capacity to meet the need. Investments 1318 00:53:57,839 --> 00:54:00,960 such as this NIFT view project ensure 1319 00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:03,200 that Tri County Manite is prepared to 1320 00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:05,599 serve the next generation of seniors 1321 00:54:05,599 --> 00:54:08,400 while strengthening the sustainability 1322 00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:10,880 of Ontario's health care system. End 1323 00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:14,160 quote. Tri County Menanite and Wilma 1324 00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:17,200 Township are both fortunate to have been 1325 00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:18,880 awarded the bed aotment from the 1326 00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:21,200 ministry for this use. Not everybody 1327 00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:23,920 gets it. Thank you for your thoughtful 1328 00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:25,440 consideration on this matter and I'm 1329 00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:27,359 here to answer any questions that your 1330 00:54:27,359 --> 00:54:29,920 council may have in this application. 1331 00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:32,000 >> Thank you very much, Mr. Shots. Are 1332 00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:34,079 there questions of Mr. Shots while he's 1333 00:54:34,079 --> 00:54:35,520 here? We'll go to councelor Dunall 1334 00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:38,950 first. 1335 00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:40,640 » Thank you, Mayor. I'm not sure if you 1336 00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:43,280 can answer this, Mr. Shots, but there 1337 00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:46,559 are um 200 and I know that they touched 1338 00:54:46,559 --> 00:54:48,720 briefly on this, but there are 253 1339 00:54:48,720 --> 00:54:51,680 parking spots. Um, and I know it's 1340 00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:54,880 easier to go up, but um, I'm just not 1341 00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:57,040 quite sure. There was a mention about 1342 00:54:57,040 --> 00:54:59,760 um, Grand River Conservation and uh, 1343 00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:02,720 going out in with the footprint, but I'm 1344 00:55:02,720 --> 00:55:04,400 just not sure that that has been 1345 00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:07,440 answered uh, to my satisfaction because 1346 00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:09,280 I do have a lot of residents that live 1347 00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:11,040 in that area and they're concerned. And 1348 00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:13,280 please understand that I I I totally 1349 00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:15,599 understand the need and the economic uh, 1350 00:55:15,599 --> 00:55:18,000 benefits. I get all of that uh, with a 1351 00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:19,359 mother-in-law who's been waiting over 1352 00:55:19,359 --> 00:55:21,760 two years. So I understand the 1353 00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:23,920 importance but I still have an issue 1354 00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:27,280 with that height. Um we have four 1355 00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:29,680 townships in Wateroo region and I've 1356 00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:31,440 double checked there isn't one of them 1357 00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:34,400 that has a building that's even close to 1358 00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:37,680 this height. Um and so I I was really 1359 00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:40,319 hoping that you would reconsider or 1360 00:55:40,319 --> 00:55:41,520 there would be something that we could 1361 00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:43,760 do not to reduce the beds. I understand 1362 00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:46,720 that. but to uh widen the footprint so 1363 00:55:46,720 --> 00:55:49,280 that we could lower that um height by 1364 00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:53,910 even one story 1365 00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:57,520 » uh through the chair to to counselor. Um 1366 00:55:57,520 --> 00:55:59,440 we we spoke about this in the last 1367 00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:02,160 scenario. Um I want to try to make sure 1368 00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:04,400 I answer your questions on it. The one 1369 00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:07,520 was about height and height uh in other 1370 00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:09,760 townships. I've been a resident of 1371 00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:13,119 Woolwitch Township all my life. Elmmyra 1372 00:56:13,119 --> 00:56:15,760 currently has a height 1373 00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:18,079 provision for eight stories in the 1374 00:56:18,079 --> 00:56:21,280 downtown area. There has recently been 1375 00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:24,480 built um a six-story apartment building 1376 00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:27,760 within the settlement of Ommyra. Um I 1377 00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:30,000 think as we all grapple with what's 1378 00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:32,079 changing in our society, it takes a 1379 00:56:32,079 --> 00:56:34,480 little time to adjust to the fact of 1380 00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:38,079 intensification versus sprawl. Uh this 1381 00:56:38,079 --> 00:56:40,160 community is well aware about concerns 1382 00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:42,960 about farmland. So this is one way that 1383 00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:45,839 with the anticipated growth within a 1384 00:56:45,839 --> 00:56:48,240 community going up is the choice and 1385 00:56:48,240 --> 00:56:50,559 repurposing of buildings is the choice 1386 00:56:50,559 --> 00:56:53,359 versus sprawling wider. So in this 1387 00:56:53,359 --> 00:56:55,440 particular application as I explained in 1388 00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:57,359 the last meeting 1389 00:56:57,359 --> 00:57:00,079 the residential housing areas the 32 1390 00:57:00,079 --> 00:57:03,359 beds which is basically mandated um by 1391 00:57:03,359 --> 00:57:06,000 the province and is the only efficient 1392 00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:08,319 way to make it work from a staffing and 1393 00:57:08,319 --> 00:57:10,640 administration standpoint. 1394 00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:13,920 um that is what is taking us and and 1395 00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:16,640 putting the number of stories on top of 1396 00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:19,920 it. So the ground floor is in fact for 1397 00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:22,319 the services for all of the building. 1398 00:57:22,319 --> 00:57:24,960 The the basement, the lower level, 1399 00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:28,880 that's this the background and and um 1400 00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:31,440 staffing areas in this particular case. 1401 00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:34,960 And then rising from level 2 to 8 is the 1402 00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:37,520 actual residential housing areas times 1403 00:57:37,520 --> 00:57:40,559 32, which gets to your 224 for the 1404 00:57:40,559 --> 00:57:43,440 number of beds. This is this is the 1405 00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:45,440 minimum optimum thing that we're looking 1406 00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:48,160 at. And I might add that um while it's 1407 00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:52,079 not Wilmont um there is a proposal that 1408 00:57:52,079 --> 00:57:54,799 isn't formalized yet and I'm not part of 1409 00:57:54,799 --> 00:57:57,440 it but there's a similar application to 1410 00:57:57,440 --> 00:57:59,200 my understanding that is forward coming 1411 00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:03,040 in one of the other townships also. 1412 00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:04,960 So 1413 00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:07,359 we can't reduce 1414 00:58:07,359 --> 00:58:10,559 we can't put it beside you spoke about 1415 00:58:10,559 --> 00:58:13,599 the number of parking we exceed zoning 1416 00:58:13,599 --> 00:58:16,160 minimums for parking and I tell all my 1417 00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:18,319 clients for as you can tell by the white 1418 00:58:18,319 --> 00:58:20,960 hair a lot of years zoning requirements 1419 00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:23,200 for parking is minimums it doesn't mean 1420 00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:25,680 it operates functionally so in this 1421 00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:27,520 particular case with the staffing 1422 00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:29,920 changes and multiple shifts they are 1423 00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:32,400 staffed 24 hours a day you need to 1424 00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:33,680 accomplish acccomodate your staff 1425 00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:37,040 arriving before the other staff leave. 1426 00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:39,440 So that creates more what we've shown 1427 00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:42,160 with the 253 spaces that'll be 1428 00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:44,160 fine-tuned through the site plan process 1429 00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:46,240 and working with staff. We're not 1430 00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:48,960 anticipating more if we can have less 1431 00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:51,040 and still make sure we operate without 1432 00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:54,079 having people parking on the uh street. 1433 00:58:54,079 --> 00:58:55,440 Staff here would like to see their 1434 00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:56,960 destination too as they've heard from 1435 00:58:56,960 --> 00:59:01,270 the previous application. 1436 00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:02,960 Councelor Dunstall again. 1437 00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:04,960 >> Thank you. Um, and I did want to make a 1438 00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:06,559 comment, but I don't want to hold him 1439 00:59:06,559 --> 00:59:08,640 up. So, I will hold that um in case 1440 00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:10,960 anyone else needs to speak. 1441 00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:12,880 >> Okay. And yes, we'll go for questions 1442 00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:16,319 for Mr. Shons first and then um we can 1443 00:59:16,319 --> 00:59:18,079 go back to questions for staff and 1444 00:59:18,079 --> 00:59:19,920 comment in general. Councelor Crestman 1445 00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:22,559 moves first and then councelor Dens. 1446 00:59:22,559 --> 00:59:28,559 >> Uh through you, mayor. Uh to uh Mr. Sh. 1447 00:59:28,559 --> 00:59:32,079 uh the 32 is the common the common 1448 00:59:32,079 --> 00:59:34,880 number and it as I understand it and I 1449 00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:38,000 again my knowledge base is Winston Park 1450 00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:41,440 because uh my father-in-law was was in 1451 00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:44,400 there and they have a hub in the center 1452 00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:47,200 and the cafeteria and then they go out 1453 00:59:47,200 --> 00:59:51,200 down down the halls and and in a wing 1454 00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:54,079 type of format and again it creates 1455 00:59:54,079 --> 00:59:57,359 efficiencies and each one tends to be a 1456 00:59:57,359 --> 01:00:01,280 community name in Wilma Township uh as 1457 01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:04,079 if I'm using the Winston Park approach. 1458 01:00:04,079 --> 01:00:08,160 And the idea is [snorts] to have as many 1459 01:00:08,160 --> 01:00:13,040 uh residents u uh aging uh in a facility 1460 01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:15,920 close to to their home community as 1461 01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:19,440 possible with familiarity with names 1462 01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:22,160 that that that can resonate with them. 1463 01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:26,400 And so, um, I look around the horseshoe 1464 01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:29,396 here and I'm likely the one closest 1465 01:00:29,396 --> 01:00:32,079 [laughter] to the to the age bracket 1466 01:00:32,079 --> 01:00:35,359 that is is going to be looking for that 1467 01:00:35,359 --> 01:00:38,480 type of service. And and unfortunately, 1468 01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:40,640 there wasn't a spot available in New 1469 01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:43,119 Hamburg when either of my parents 1470 01:00:43,119 --> 01:00:48,240 required it. Um and so I guess the I you 1471 01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:50,640 know all of us wish we can age in place 1472 01:00:50,640 --> 01:00:53,440 at home but when the time comes 1473 01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:56,480 depending on our uh medical uh 1474 01:00:56,480 --> 01:00:59,680 challenges we would hope there's an 1475 01:00:59,680 --> 01:01:02,880 opportunity if both of us as a couple 1476 01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:05,119 walk in the front door. there's an 1477 01:01:05,119 --> 01:01:08,720 opportunity for us to be at least in 1478 01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:11,280 close proximity to one another that we 1479 01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:14,400 don't have to drive 250 up to 250 1480 01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:17,440 kilometers to a separate facility to 1481 01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:20,960 visit a loved one and looking at the 1482 01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:24,640 data in Ottawa 1483 01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:28,880 um uh two presentations 1484 01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:30,960 the waiting list that currently is 1485 01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:34,480 existing and the projection of the 1486 01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:37,359 curve. It isn't flattening down or going 1487 01:01:37,359 --> 01:01:40,880 down with the baby boom generation. It's 1488 01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:44,400 accelerating to 2050. There is going to 1489 01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:48,160 be an extended need for facilities. And 1490 01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:51,119 if we can provide those to people who 1491 01:01:51,119 --> 01:01:54,240 built this community over time, I think 1492 01:01:54,240 --> 01:01:57,040 it's a service well rendered. So maybe 1493 01:01:57,040 --> 01:01:59,359 that's a comment rather than a question. 1494 01:01:59,359 --> 01:02:02,079 I apologize, but I'm pretty passionate 1495 01:02:02,079 --> 01:02:03,839 about this. 1496 01:02:03,839 --> 01:02:05,839 Thank you, councelor. Councelor 1497 01:02:05,839 --> 01:02:07,440 Wilkinson, was this a question for Mr. 1498 01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:08,640 Shant? 1499 01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:11,119 >> Thank you through the chair. Um, I will 1500 01:02:11,119 --> 01:02:12,480 I mean, there's a lot that's already 1501 01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:14,240 been said and I echo uh the same 1502 01:02:14,240 --> 01:02:16,160 sentiments and thoughts as my colleague 1503 01:02:16,160 --> 01:02:19,200 councelor Dunstall. I think I said it 1504 01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:21,440 before and ultimately it it really comes 1505 01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:23,119 down to the eight stories is the the 1506 01:02:23,119 --> 01:02:25,760 biggest issue for me. I I I want the 1507 01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:27,920 beds. I want the jobs. I want the tax 1508 01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:30,880 revenue. I want to see the the long-term 1509 01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:33,119 care opportunities for local residents 1510 01:02:33,119 --> 01:02:36,240 and and everyone. Um but ultimately it's 1511 01:02:36,240 --> 01:02:37,599 just looking at the scale of the 1512 01:02:37,599 --> 01:02:39,520 building and and I I feel it's going to 1513 01:02:39,520 --> 01:02:42,960 be um out of place as proposed and and I 1514 01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:45,440 know you mentioned the design requires 1515 01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:48,640 this and and you can't change it. Uh I 1516 01:02:48,640 --> 01:02:49,920 would say that's a great challenge for 1517 01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:52,000 this community and region as a whole to 1518 01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:54,400 take on. I'm sure if we really tapped 1519 01:02:54,400 --> 01:02:56,480 into the right areas, we'd be able to to 1520 01:02:56,480 --> 01:02:58,079 come up with something that may be 1521 01:02:58,079 --> 01:03:04,319 agreeable. But my general um thought on this is that 1522 01:03:04,319 --> 01:03:05,920 I'm very much in favor of what you're 1523 01:03:05,920 --> 01:03:08,240 trying to do. I will definitely be in 1524 01:03:08,240 --> 01:03:10,319 favor of the zoning change, but I'm just 1525 01:03:10,319 --> 01:03:14,400 asking please find a way if we can to uh 1526 01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:17,200 lower the the the height down to six 1527 01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:18,799 stories and and make it more agreeable 1528 01:03:18,799 --> 01:03:20,160 with what the rest of the community 1529 01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:22,880 looks like. Um, my only fear is that 1530 01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:24,559 approving eight stories here means the 1531 01:03:24,559 --> 01:03:26,799 next one's going to be 10 to 12 or 1532 01:03:26,799 --> 01:03:28,640 whatever it happens to be. I don't want 1533 01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:34,319 to get into that at all. So, um, more so a comment really no question. 1534 01:03:34,319 --> 01:03:37,200 Just please try and find a way if 1535 01:03:37,200 --> 01:03:39,920 possible. 1536 01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:43,680 >> Any other questions for Mr. Sha? 1537 01:03:43,680 --> 01:03:45,280 Okay, I'm not seeing any. Thank you 1538 01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:47,200 again very much, Mr. Sha, for joining us 1539 01:03:47,200 --> 01:03:49,839 this evening. Um, now I can open it up 1540 01:03:49,839 --> 01:03:51,839 for council if you have questions of 1541 01:03:51,839 --> 01:03:54,240 staff or comments in general. Councelor 1542 01:03:54,240 --> 01:03:55,359 Duntol. 1543 01:03:55,359 --> 01:03:57,119 >> Thank you, Mayor. And again, please 1544 01:03:57,119 --> 01:04:00,160 understand I I am really uh supportive 1545 01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:03,039 of this uh and I and I get the need 1546 01:04:03,039 --> 01:04:07,839 perhaps this is for director um Andrew, 1547 01:04:07,839 --> 01:04:10,240 director Martin, 1548 01:04:10,240 --> 01:04:12,000 having an eightstory building and I 1549 01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:14,000 think it's nine stories when you're with 1550 01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:16,559 the elevation changes. Um, what does 1551 01:04:16,559 --> 01:04:19,039 that do for someone who comes in here 1552 01:04:19,039 --> 01:04:20,720 and wants to put in an apartment? I 1553 01:04:20,720 --> 01:04:24,400 understand that um zoned for 1554 01:04:24,400 --> 01:04:26,480 institutional has no height limit. I get 1555 01:04:26,480 --> 01:04:29,440 that. But do we run into an issue uh 1556 01:04:29,440 --> 01:04:32,319 with the OOLT um with someone coming in 1557 01:04:32,319 --> 01:04:34,160 and saying you're stopping me from 1558 01:04:34,160 --> 01:04:36,160 building an eighth story when you 1559 01:04:36,160 --> 01:04:39,599 already have an eighthtory building um 1560 01:04:39,599 --> 01:04:41,760 in your township? Is that something that 1561 01:04:41,760 --> 01:04:43,520 we're going to run into? because Lord 1562 01:04:43,520 --> 01:04:46,160 knows we don't need a whole bunch of not 1563 01:04:46,160 --> 01:04:49,039 8ft sorry eightstory buildings. You 1564 01:04:49,039 --> 01:04:50,720 know, one of the things that people said 1565 01:04:50,720 --> 01:04:52,640 uh when we did the strategic plan was 1566 01:04:52,640 --> 01:04:54,720 they said it was important to keep the 1567 01:04:54,720 --> 01:04:56,400 rural field. They were very adamant 1568 01:04:56,400 --> 01:04:58,079 about that. And again, we're not looking 1569 01:04:58,079 --> 01:05:00,400 at sprawl here. We would not look at I I 1570 01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:02,160 would never suggest that. So So 1571 01:05:02,160 --> 01:05:03,760 suggesting that, you know, we don't do 1572 01:05:03,760 --> 01:05:09,440 sprawl, we go up 100%. Yes. But that that wasn't the case here. I mean, 1573 01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:13,280 the land is there. It's yours. Um but uh 1574 01:05:13,280 --> 01:05:14,960 director Martin if you could answer that 1575 01:05:14,960 --> 01:05:16,720 question for me please and then I will 1576 01:05:16,720 --> 01:05:18,319 not speak on this again. I will just 1577 01:05:18,319 --> 01:05:21,039 vote. Thank you. 1578 01:05:21,039 --> 01:05:23,280 >> All right. Three Mayor Solen. Um so a 1579 01:05:23,280 --> 01:05:25,680 couple of points there. Um we have had 1580 01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:27,839 discussions about this and ultimately 1581 01:05:27,839 --> 01:05:29,599 one decision doesn't mean that the next 1582 01:05:29,599 --> 01:05:32,079 one is looked at equally like it's um 1583 01:05:32,079 --> 01:05:34,000 there discuss discussion needs to occur 1584 01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:35,599 on the merits of the application and the 1585 01:05:35,599 --> 01:05:38,319 location. Um, we did introduce policies 1586 01:05:38,319 --> 01:05:40,799 within the new official plan that uh, 1587 01:05:40,799 --> 01:05:43,200 council adopted uh, that do have 1588 01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:45,119 provisions in there that speak to seven 1589 01:05:45,119 --> 01:05:47,760 stories and above. The process by which 1590 01:05:47,760 --> 01:05:49,440 you would need to go through to justify 1591 01:05:49,440 --> 01:05:51,039 it makes sense. So, we have included 1592 01:05:51,039 --> 01:05:53,280 additional language for applications 1593 01:05:53,280 --> 01:05:56,400 going forward. Um, in terms of what may 1594 01:05:56,400 --> 01:05:59,200 happen at the OOLT, I would expect that 1595 01:05:59,200 --> 01:06:01,119 uh, the OOLT probably won't be concerned 1596 01:06:01,119 --> 01:06:02,480 about what's happened already. they 1597 01:06:02,480 --> 01:06:04,000 would probably suggest that eight 1598 01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:06,240 stories isn't that tall and to prove it. 1599 01:06:06,240 --> 01:06:08,960 Um, but regardless of that, it was when 1600 01:06:08,960 --> 01:06:10,640 it comes to planning decisions, they're 1601 01:06:10,640 --> 01:06:12,400 technically not precedent setting. So, 1602 01:06:12,400 --> 01:06:14,480 they have to every application has to be 1603 01:06:14,480 --> 01:06:16,720 to consider upon its in own individual 1604 01:06:16,720 --> 01:06:19,359 merits. So, in theory, if the OOLT is 1605 01:06:19,359 --> 01:06:21,760 considering an application, they may 1606 01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:23,200 look at what's in the area and what's 1607 01:06:23,200 --> 01:06:24,880 been approved before, but technically a 1608 01:06:24,880 --> 01:06:27,520 decision that's made in one case uh is 1609 01:06:27,520 --> 01:06:29,039 doesn't mean that the same decision has 1610 01:06:29,039 --> 01:06:31,680 to be made in the second case. So there 1611 01:06:31,680 --> 01:06:34,400 is there is uh no suggestion that 1612 01:06:34,400 --> 01:06:36,960 because this is approved that uh should 1613 01:06:36,960 --> 01:06:38,880 someone make an application it's not 1614 01:06:38,880 --> 01:06:41,039 approved it would go go to the OOLT that 1615 01:06:41,039 --> 01:06:42,480 would automatically happen because of 1616 01:06:42,480 --> 01:06:45,440 that. Um but it could influence a 1617 01:06:45,440 --> 01:06:46,960 decision for sure. But what I my 1618 01:06:46,960 --> 01:06:50,799 suggestion is that it in in the scope of 1619 01:06:50,799 --> 01:06:52,480 height and densities eight stories 1620 01:06:52,480 --> 01:06:54,960 probably isn't um when we're dealing 1621 01:06:54,960 --> 01:06:56,880 with an OOLT decision wouldn't be 1622 01:06:56,880 --> 01:06:59,200 considered a tall building. Um so I I 1623 01:06:59,200 --> 01:07:00,960 don't expect that uh that would really 1624 01:07:00,960 --> 01:07:04,000 come up as a concern in that. Um but 1625 01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:06,640 ultimately short story long the answer 1626 01:07:06,640 --> 01:07:08,799 is any decision made here doesn't 1627 01:07:08,799 --> 01:07:10,640 automatically may mean that the same 1628 01:07:10,640 --> 01:07:15,119 decision is made in another location. 1629 01:07:15,119 --> 01:07:17,200 >> Councelor Wilkinson. 1630 01:07:17,200 --> 01:07:19,440 >> Thank you through the chair. Um looking 1631 01:07:19,440 --> 01:07:23,520 at Chief Pipe question for you. Um, and 1632 01:07:23,520 --> 01:07:25,280 this is before your time, but there's 1633 01:07:25,280 --> 01:07:26,559 been fire trucks that have been 1634 01:07:26,559 --> 01:07:28,480 discussed for a long period of time. I'm 1635 01:07:28,480 --> 01:07:30,480 curious, a building of this height, how 1636 01:07:30,480 --> 01:07:31,920 does this affect your department and 1637 01:07:31,920 --> 01:07:33,839 what's required on your end to uh 1638 01:07:33,839 --> 01:07:37,359 satisfy the safety and other concerns? 1639 01:07:37,359 --> 01:07:41,589 >> Uh, through the mayor, 1640 01:07:41,599 --> 01:07:43,280 one of the things I need to comment on 1641 01:07:43,280 --> 01:07:44,880 is uh there are high buildings 1642 01:07:44,880 --> 01:07:46,799 throughout the province and a lot of 1643 01:07:46,799 --> 01:07:48,720 places don't have aerial devices that'll 1644 01:07:48,720 --> 01:07:51,599 reach the top of their high buildings. 1645 01:07:51,599 --> 01:07:54,000 We do need an elevated device as a 1646 01:07:54,000 --> 01:07:57,119 municipality. Um, and I can give you a 1647 01:07:57,119 --> 01:07:59,440 lot of really good reasons why we do, 1648 01:07:59,440 --> 01:08:00,880 but we don't limit the height of our 1649 01:08:00,880 --> 01:08:02,480 buildings based on the height of our 1650 01:08:02,480 --> 01:08:06,630 elevated device. 1651 01:08:06,640 --> 01:08:08,400 » Any other questions or comments, 1652 01:08:08,400 --> 01:08:12,160 council? Councelor Sto, 1653 01:08:12,160 --> 01:08:15,280 >> thank you. Um, I've been debating this 1654 01:08:15,280 --> 01:08:17,920 in my mind. Um, I've had a conversation 1655 01:08:17,920 --> 01:08:20,400 with some residents who flat out told 1656 01:08:20,400 --> 01:08:22,239 me, "You better approve this. I don't 1657 01:08:22,239 --> 01:08:24,239 care how tall it is or how big it's 1658 01:08:24,239 --> 01:08:27,120 going to be." Um, I did have the 1659 01:08:27,120 --> 01:08:28,880 conversation with them saying, "Listen, 1660 01:08:28,880 --> 01:08:31,839 it doesn't guarantee that if it is built 1661 01:08:31,839 --> 01:08:33,520 here that you get to stay here, but they 1662 01:08:33,520 --> 01:08:36,080 understand that." Um, overall, I think 1663 01:08:36,080 --> 01:08:38,159 it is a it's a project that we need. 1664 01:08:38,159 --> 01:08:44,400 It's it helps uh bring in jobs uh for subcontractors, 1665 01:08:44,400 --> 01:08:48,159 etc., and ongoing. So, I don't know if 1666 01:08:48,159 --> 01:08:49,839 the building height, and I do sympathize 1667 01:08:49,839 --> 01:08:52,480 with the building height, and I do 1668 01:08:52,480 --> 01:08:53,920 understand that it could be potentially 1669 01:08:53,920 --> 01:08:56,319 a slippery slope, but I don't know if 1670 01:08:56,319 --> 01:08:58,960 that is enough for me to vote down this 1671 01:08:58,960 --> 01:09:01,839 uh report just because of the good it 1672 01:09:01,839 --> 01:09:05,839 brings. Um, I hope there is potentially 1673 01:09:05,839 --> 01:09:08,400 a compromise in the site select or site 1674 01:09:08,400 --> 01:09:11,120 planning phase where maybe if we can get 1675 01:09:11,120 --> 01:09:14,400 it uh one story lower or rejig it 1676 01:09:14,400 --> 01:09:17,199 somehow, but uh at this moment in time, 1677 01:09:17,199 --> 01:09:21,440 I would be in favor of it. 1678 01:09:21,440 --> 01:09:23,759 >> We'll go to councelor Martin 1679 01:09:23,759 --> 01:09:27,520 >> through Mayor Salon. Um I echo councelor 1680 01:09:27,520 --> 01:09:30,799 Sadu's comments. I I have uh residents 1681 01:09:30,799 --> 01:09:34,159 telling me that uh it's a good thing. 1682 01:09:34,159 --> 01:09:36,000 I've said that some people are concerned 1683 01:09:36,000 --> 01:09:37,920 about the height and they're very 1684 01:09:37,920 --> 01:09:40,319 surprised by that, wondering why people 1685 01:09:40,319 --> 01:09:42,480 would be concerned about the height. I 1686 01:09:42,480 --> 01:09:44,319 realize councelor Wilkinson and 1687 01:09:44,319 --> 01:09:46,239 councelor Dunl are talking to people 1688 01:09:46,239 --> 01:09:48,960 that are opposed to the height and there 1689 01:09:48,960 --> 01:09:50,480 are people in the township who are not 1690 01:09:50,480 --> 01:09:53,040 opposed to the height. Uh so I 1691 01:09:53,040 --> 01:09:55,679 personally think it's a good thing. 1692 01:09:55,679 --> 01:09:57,760 >> Council Gresman. 1693 01:09:57,760 --> 01:10:00,640 >> Yes. through you, mayor. And maybe I was 1694 01:10:00,640 --> 01:10:05,040 remissed not asking the question uh when 1695 01:10:05,040 --> 01:10:08,480 Mr. Sh was at the podium, but it's my 1696 01:10:08,480 --> 01:10:12,400 understanding the current uh NITW home 1697 01:10:12,400 --> 01:10:15,360 is going to be redeveloped into some 1698 01:10:15,360 --> 01:10:20,560 type of apartments and uh and the 160 1699 01:10:20,560 --> 01:10:24,320 beds are going to be the long-term care. 1700 01:10:24,320 --> 01:10:27,040 And then with this add additional 1701 01:10:27,040 --> 01:10:30,560 facility, it becomes an integrated 1702 01:10:30,560 --> 01:10:36,560 uh facility where hopefully um couples 1703 01:10:36,560 --> 01:10:39,840 can walk in the front door and then as 1704 01:10:39,840 --> 01:10:43,199 they age, and this happened with my 1705 01:10:43,199 --> 01:10:45,679 father-in-law and mother-in-law, as they 1706 01:10:45,679 --> 01:10:48,320 age, one required long-term care, the 1707 01:10:48,320 --> 01:10:52,159 other didn't. And currently the the 1708 01:10:52,159 --> 01:10:56,960 environment is such that uh they have 1709 01:10:56,960 --> 01:11:01,199 they may be placed uh a distance apart. 1710 01:11:01,199 --> 01:11:04,719 In my uh in-laws case, they had been at 1711 01:11:04,719 --> 01:11:08,080 Fairview in in Cambridge. Uh my 1712 01:11:08,080 --> 01:11:11,120 mother-in-law got placed in Kitner and 1713 01:11:11,120 --> 01:11:15,040 at 88 my father-in-law drove every day 1714 01:11:15,040 --> 01:11:19,360 to see her uh from uh Cambridge to 1715 01:11:19,360 --> 01:11:25,360 Kitchener till she passed. So I guess I look at this and say we have 1716 01:11:25,360 --> 01:11:27,840 people who've decided to retire in 1717 01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:29,440 Morningside. 1718 01:11:29,440 --> 01:11:32,320 We have people who decided to retire in 1719 01:11:32,320 --> 01:11:34,080 Stonecraftoft. 1720 01:11:34,080 --> 01:11:38,800 uh and uh if one of them requires uh 1721 01:11:38,800 --> 01:11:40,719 long-term care, this gives them an 1722 01:11:40,719 --> 01:11:42,239 opportunity. 1723 01:11:42,239 --> 01:11:46,159 Um if they both uh uh choose to 1724 01:11:46,159 --> 01:11:48,400 downsize, they may go through the 1725 01:11:48,400 --> 01:11:51,280 Cresman facility initially and then on 1726 01:11:51,280 --> 01:11:54,960 to an apartment at NIT view and then uh 1727 01:11:54,960 --> 01:11:57,120 eventually if one requires long-term 1728 01:11:57,120 --> 01:12:00,080 care, you have an integrated system that 1729 01:12:00,080 --> 01:12:02,880 hopefully with the additional beds will 1730 01:12:02,880 --> 01:12:06,640 give them an opportunity here. So to my 1731 01:12:06,640 --> 01:12:10,400 mind to have these additional beds to 1732 01:12:10,400 --> 01:12:12,880 have the opportunity of having an 1733 01:12:12,880 --> 01:12:14,640 integrated system. One of the first 1734 01:12:14,640 --> 01:12:18,960 questions I asked at AMO in London years 1735 01:12:18,960 --> 01:12:22,560 ago was this isn't rocket science. If 1736 01:12:22,560 --> 01:12:25,760 you walk in the front door as a couple, 1737 01:12:25,760 --> 01:12:29,120 it should be the goal to make sure that 1738 01:12:29,120 --> 01:12:32,480 you can both age in place depending on 1739 01:12:32,480 --> 01:12:38,080 your needs as a couple. And uh so I 1740 01:12:38,080 --> 01:12:41,199 guess that's why I'm strongly in favor 1741 01:12:41,199 --> 01:12:44,560 and I'm celebrating the opportunity uh 1742 01:12:44,560 --> 01:12:47,199 that we have a nonprofit that's coming 1743 01:12:47,199 --> 01:12:49,600 forward to take the lead on a project 1744 01:12:49,600 --> 01:12:51,920 like this. 1745 01:12:51,920 --> 01:12:54,080 Thank you, councelor. Um, I know a lot 1746 01:12:54,080 --> 01:12:55,840 of that was a comment, but you did kind 1747 01:12:55,840 --> 01:12:58,159 of have a question about beds. It would 1748 01:12:58,159 --> 01:13:00,560 be up to council's discretion because we 1749 01:13:00,560 --> 01:13:02,480 technically need to wave the procedural 1750 01:13:02,480 --> 01:13:04,480 bylaw, but Dr. Harrison, who is the 1751 01:13:04,480 --> 01:13:06,239 executive director, is in the audience 1752 01:13:06,239 --> 01:13:07,760 and could probably speak to your 1753 01:13:07,760 --> 01:13:11,280 question about the old beds. Um, but 1754 01:13:11,280 --> 01:13:13,280 again, I'm in council's hands as to if 1755 01:13:13,280 --> 01:13:17,120 you want to allow him to come up. Um, 1756 01:13:17,120 --> 01:13:20,719 is there anyone opposed to that? 1757 01:13:20,719 --> 01:13:23,199 No. Okay, with that, Dr. Harrison, not 1758 01:13:23,199 --> 01:13:26,320 to put you on the spot, but if you'd 1759 01:13:26,320 --> 01:13:30,310 like to speak to that. 1760 01:13:30,320 --> 01:13:33,520 » Thank you, Mayor. Uh, never on the spot. 1761 01:13:33,520 --> 01:13:35,600 Um, 1762 01:13:35,600 --> 01:13:37,840 the board of directors hasn't decided, 1763 01:13:37,840 --> 01:13:39,520 hasn't come up with a final decision on 1764 01:13:39,520 --> 01:13:41,280 what we're going to do with the current 1765 01:13:41,280 --> 01:13:42,960 NITU long-term care beds and the 1766 01:13:42,960 --> 01:13:45,360 building that's there. Uh, we have 1767 01:13:45,360 --> 01:13:46,800 determined a couple of things. One is 1768 01:13:46,800 --> 01:13:48,320 that we're not tearing it down. It will 1769 01:13:48,320 --> 01:13:50,320 be repurposed. We have invested in it 1770 01:13:50,320 --> 01:13:52,800 over the last 10 years or so to ensure 1771 01:13:52,800 --> 01:13:56,159 its engineering stability and you know 1772 01:13:56,159 --> 01:13:57,679 the building has a lot of life left in 1773 01:13:57,679 --> 01:13:58,880 it. So we're going to make sure we do 1774 01:13:58,880 --> 01:14:03,280 that. To your comment about um couples 1775 01:14:03,280 --> 01:14:06,000 living together or we call it a campus 1776 01:14:06,000 --> 01:14:09,600 of care. Um it's okay. This is my world 1777 01:14:09,600 --> 01:14:11,440 so I can use that language. Um the 1778 01:14:11,440 --> 01:14:13,199 campus of care model we already have on 1779 01:14:13,199 --> 01:14:15,040 the site. So we have independent living. 1780 01:14:15,040 --> 01:14:17,520 Uh we have independent living both in an 1781 01:14:17,520 --> 01:14:20,560 apartment and in a tower as well as in 1782 01:14:20,560 --> 01:14:23,679 um town homes and uh sixplexes already 1783 01:14:23,679 --> 01:14:25,840 on the site. Independent living is just 1784 01:14:25,840 --> 01:14:27,679 what it sounds like. It is housing for 1785 01:14:27,679 --> 01:14:29,840 seniors. It has very limited services. 1786 01:14:29,840 --> 01:14:31,360 They are welcome to join us for meals 1787 01:14:31,360 --> 01:14:32,880 and be part of programming that's going 1788 01:14:32,880 --> 01:14:34,480 on, but generally it's like renting an 1789 01:14:34,480 --> 01:14:36,239 apartment. We also have a retirement 1790 01:14:36,239 --> 01:14:38,080 home living and currently in our 1791 01:14:38,080 --> 01:14:40,560 retirement home we have partners of 1792 01:14:40,560 --> 01:14:42,159 individuals who are living in long-term 1793 01:14:42,159 --> 01:14:44,239 care. So to your point, there is no 1794 01:14:44,239 --> 01:14:46,159 kilometers to be driven. There are steps 1795 01:14:46,159 --> 01:14:48,000 to be taken down a air conditioner 1796 01:14:48,000 --> 01:14:49,840 heated hallway and you can spend time 1797 01:14:49,840 --> 01:14:52,000 with your loved one. What we're looking 1798 01:14:52,000 --> 01:14:54,400 to do is to continue to expand that 1799 01:14:54,400 --> 01:14:57,840 model on our campus. It it's in my mind, 1800 01:14:57,840 --> 01:14:59,600 my personal opinion, it is probably one 1801 01:14:59,600 --> 01:15:01,760 of the best models of senior supports 1802 01:15:01,760 --> 01:15:05,440 and care that you can have. Um and in 1803 01:15:05,440 --> 01:15:07,360 addition to that, the green space that 1804 01:15:07,360 --> 01:15:10,000 is down behind the building is uh down 1805 01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:12,320 in the valley behind is a wonderful 1806 01:15:12,320 --> 01:15:14,960 space for residents to view into enjoy 1807 01:15:14,960 --> 01:15:17,679 the wildlife that's there, but also to 1808 01:15:17,679 --> 01:15:20,080 um coll we're working collaboratively 1809 01:15:20,080 --> 01:15:21,760 with the township on a couple of 1810 01:15:21,760 --> 01:15:24,080 different ideas for creating walking 1811 01:15:24,080 --> 01:15:26,159 pathways through there, not only for our 1812 01:15:26,159 --> 01:15:27,840 residents, although it's on private 1813 01:15:27,840 --> 01:15:29,679 land, but certainly opening it up for 1814 01:15:29,679 --> 01:15:33,679 the community to enjoy. Um 1815 01:15:33,679 --> 01:15:36,800 my desperate plea to everyone that I 1816 01:15:36,800 --> 01:15:38,880 speak to is that uh when you see a 1817 01:15:38,880 --> 01:15:40,320 long-term care home or you see a 1818 01:15:40,320 --> 01:15:43,520 senior's care community, uh it is not a 1819 01:15:43,520 --> 01:15:45,199 place to avoid. It is a place to 1820 01:15:45,199 --> 01:15:47,440 embrace. It is a place to come to. It is 1821 01:15:47,440 --> 01:15:49,360 a place to make part of your journey. 1822 01:15:49,360 --> 01:15:50,960 Not just the destination, but part of 1823 01:15:50,960 --> 01:15:53,199 where you go to. And our residents love 1824 01:15:53,199 --> 01:15:55,760 it. have um child care groups in the 1825 01:15:55,760 --> 01:15:57,360 area that come walking through our areas 1826 01:15:57,360 --> 01:15:59,600 to talk to our seniors and use the paths 1827 01:15:59,600 --> 01:16:02,159 that we have currently. We hope to 1828 01:16:02,159 --> 01:16:04,719 expand that. So, the model of care that 1829 01:16:04,719 --> 01:16:06,480 we're looking to implement on that 1830 01:16:06,480 --> 01:16:10,480 campus is um expanding due to long-term 1831 01:16:10,480 --> 01:16:13,280 care needs, but with the emphasis on 1832 01:16:13,280 --> 01:16:15,040 more than just long-term care. It is 1833 01:16:15,040 --> 01:16:16,719 about engagement with the community and 1834 01:16:16,719 --> 01:16:18,400 bringing the community in as well as 1835 01:16:18,400 --> 01:16:20,159 allowing our residents to go out into 1836 01:16:20,159 --> 01:16:22,159 the community which they belong to. 1837 01:16:22,159 --> 01:16:23,120 Thanks. 1838 01:16:23,120 --> 01:16:25,040 >> Thank you very much, Dr. Harrison. I do 1839 01:16:25,040 --> 01:16:26,400 think Councelor Crestman has a question 1840 01:16:26,400 --> 01:16:27,760 for you now that you're at the podium, 1841 01:16:27,760 --> 01:16:28,159 though. 1842 01:16:28,159 --> 01:16:30,560 >> To that end, I believe on the 18th of 1843 01:16:30,560 --> 01:16:33,520 September, you have a barbecue that we 1844 01:16:33,520 --> 01:16:37,120 as council have been invited to to uh 1845 01:16:37,120 --> 01:16:39,760 your facility. I saw it in my inbox 1846 01:16:39,760 --> 01:16:40,960 today. So, 1847 01:16:40,960 --> 01:16:43,040 >> you would have seen that. Yes. So, um 1848 01:16:43,040 --> 01:16:45,280 thank you for that. Uh, and this is not 1849 01:16:45,280 --> 01:16:47,199 a promotional plug, but on the 18th of 1850 01:16:47,199 --> 01:16:49,280 September, uh, long-term care homes 1851 01:16:49,280 --> 01:16:51,280 across Ontario are actually celebrating 1852 01:16:51,280 --> 01:16:52,960 what we call long-term care day. And it 1853 01:16:52,960 --> 01:16:54,640 is an opportunity for anyone, 1854 01:16:54,640 --> 01:16:56,400 counselors, anyone in the in the 1855 01:16:56,400 --> 01:16:59,120 audience, staff to come out and see all 1856 01:16:59,120 --> 01:17:00,800 the wonderful things that we do at our 1857 01:17:00,800 --> 01:17:04,239 home. Um, the details of what is being 1858 01:17:04,239 --> 01:17:05,600 planned have not been shared with me, 1859 01:17:05,600 --> 01:17:06,719 but it sounds like there's going to be a 1860 01:17:06,719 --> 01:17:08,640 barbecue, so that sounds like fun. Um, 1861 01:17:08,640 --> 01:17:10,400 but it is an opportunity to come out and 1862 01:17:10,400 --> 01:17:12,719 engage and and see the new building 1863 01:17:12,719 --> 01:17:15,440 that's going on right now. Get a idea of 1864 01:17:15,440 --> 01:17:18,640 what's coming and that's only 10 11 1865 01:17:18,640 --> 01:17:19,760 months from now. We're supposed to be 1866 01:17:19,760 --> 01:17:20,880 opening that building up. So, we're 1867 01:17:20,880 --> 01:17:23,360 looking forward to that. And then, uh, 1868 01:17:23,360 --> 01:17:24,960 engage with the seniors who live there. 1869 01:17:24,960 --> 01:17:27,040 So, yes, keep your calendars open on the 1870 01:17:27,040 --> 01:17:29,600 18th if you can. 1871 01:17:29,600 --> 01:17:32,239 >> Thank you very much. The only thing I'll 1872 01:17:32,239 --> 01:17:34,000 warn folks, if you've never had apple 1873 01:17:34,000 --> 01:17:36,400 pie with cheddar cheese, um, the 1874 01:17:36,400 --> 01:17:38,080 residents will probably make you at 1875 01:17:38,080 --> 01:17:40,560 least try it. That was my experience at 1876 01:17:40,560 --> 01:17:42,640 the last community engagement. 1877 01:17:42,640 --> 01:17:44,480 >> Yes. 1878 01:17:44,480 --> 01:17:46,400 >> Thank you very much, Dr. Harrison. 1879 01:17:46,400 --> 01:17:48,640 >> Wow. 1880 01:17:48,640 --> 01:17:52,239 >> There you go. [laughter and gasps] Um, 1881 01:17:52,239 --> 01:17:54,239 any other questions or comments on the 1882 01:17:54,239 --> 01:17:56,400 zoning change application before us 1883 01:17:56,400 --> 01:17:59,120 right now? Okay. I'm not seeing any 1884 01:17:59,120 --> 01:18:01,120 more. I did just want to add some of my 1885 01:18:01,120 --> 01:18:05,199 own final comments. Um I think this is a 1886 01:18:05,199 --> 01:18:07,520 really exciting opportunity for the 1887 01:18:07,520 --> 01:18:09,360 community for many of the reasons that 1888 01:18:09,360 --> 01:18:13,120 council and delegates have expressed. I 1889 01:18:13,120 --> 01:18:15,920 also think a really unique part and why 1890 01:18:15,920 --> 01:18:17,920 I would justify 1891 01:18:17,920 --> 01:18:20,320 this over any eightstory building 1892 01:18:20,320 --> 01:18:22,480 because I'm not a huge fan of heights 1893 01:18:22,480 --> 01:18:27,520 either um in terms of for planning um in 1894 01:18:27,520 --> 01:18:30,080 our community. But we already well not 1895 01:18:30,080 --> 01:18:32,880 we uh Tri County Menanite already has 1896 01:18:32,880 --> 01:18:36,640 the beds approved and that is huge. Um 1897 01:18:36,640 --> 01:18:38,719 when we talk to colleagues across the 1898 01:18:38,719 --> 01:18:41,040 province they are desperately trying to 1899 01:18:41,040 --> 01:18:43,760 get beds and I think it would be a huge 1900 01:18:43,760 --> 01:18:46,000 missed opportunity when we already have 1901 01:18:46,000 --> 01:18:48,640 a community partner who works in the 1902 01:18:48,640 --> 01:18:50,239 community wants to expand on their 1903 01:18:50,239 --> 01:18:52,719 campus of care and has the approved beds 1904 01:18:52,719 --> 01:18:55,199 if we didn't approve this zoning because 1905 01:18:55,199 --> 01:18:56,719 they're going to need to use their beds. 1906 01:18:56,719 --> 01:18:58,239 that's tied to provincial dollars and 1907 01:18:58,239 --> 01:19:00,560 funding. Um, so they're going to have to 1908 01:19:00,560 --> 01:19:02,400 go somewhere and I certainly personally 1909 01:19:02,400 --> 01:19:04,880 would rather see them in Wilmont. I also 1910 01:19:04,880 --> 01:19:07,440 think as well the fact that they came 1911 01:19:07,440 --> 01:19:11,040 forward um showing what the proposal was 1912 01:19:11,040 --> 01:19:12,800 although it was only a zone change that 1913 01:19:12,800 --> 01:19:14,719 they were seeking and as we know in in 1914 01:19:14,719 --> 01:19:16,400 institutional zoning we don't have a 1915 01:19:16,400 --> 01:19:19,120 height limit. Um, I think that that is 1916 01:19:19,120 --> 01:19:23,199 really the uh partnership building and 1917 01:19:23,199 --> 01:19:25,199 uh thoughtful growth that at least I'm 1918 01:19:25,199 --> 01:19:26,880 looking for in our community. And I know 1919 01:19:26,880 --> 01:19:29,280 that also they hosted um public 1920 01:19:29,280 --> 01:19:30,880 consultation with the residents as we're 1921 01:19:30,880 --> 01:19:32,239 aware because that was in the original 1922 01:19:32,239 --> 01:19:35,440 report um to inform the potentially 1923 01:19:35,440 --> 01:19:38,239 impacted residents around. I really 1924 01:19:38,239 --> 01:19:40,080 think when we talk about aging in place 1925 01:19:40,080 --> 01:19:42,320 and healthy whole communities, this is 1926 01:19:42,320 --> 01:19:45,520 one step in that direction. Um, but also 1927 01:19:45,520 --> 01:19:47,360 I can see this as completely different 1928 01:19:47,360 --> 01:19:49,040 than somebody coming and asking for an 1929 01:19:49,040 --> 01:19:51,040 eight-story building that's an apartment 1930 01:19:51,040 --> 01:19:53,760 building. Um, even just in the use of 1931 01:19:53,760 --> 01:19:55,440 it, there aren't going to be patios 1932 01:19:55,440 --> 01:19:58,800 looking out on neighbors yards or 1933 01:19:58,800 --> 01:20:01,280 anything as um, a long-term care 1934 01:20:01,280 --> 01:20:03,360 facility. It will just be windows in the 1935 01:20:03,360 --> 01:20:05,840 building. Um, and I think a lot of the 1936 01:20:05,840 --> 01:20:07,360 things that people are concerned about 1937 01:20:07,360 --> 01:20:09,840 can be discussed in the detailed design 1938 01:20:09,840 --> 01:20:12,239 phase as well. Um, so I'm personally 1939 01:20:12,239 --> 01:20:14,560 very supportive of this and think it's a 1940 01:20:14,560 --> 01:20:16,560 really great opportunity. Also, pending 1941 01:20:16,560 --> 01:20:18,159 that it gets approved. I look forward to 1942 01:20:18,159 --> 01:20:20,159 seeing this uh happen for our community. 1943 01:20:20,159 --> 01:20:22,880 Plus, 5 to 600 new full-time permanent 1944 01:20:22,880 --> 01:20:26,080 jobs um is huge for a community like 1945 01:20:26,080 --> 01:20:28,400 ours, especially when uh I think many of 1946 01:20:28,400 --> 01:20:29,920 us and our residents don't want to see 1947 01:20:29,920 --> 01:20:32,320 us become bedroom communities. 1948 01:20:32,320 --> 01:20:35,679 Um, with that, I don't see any other 1949 01:20:35,679 --> 01:20:37,840 questions or comments. So, I will call 1950 01:20:37,840 --> 01:20:40,719 the vote. All those in favor and that 1951 01:20:40,719 --> 01:20:43,440 carries unanimously. 1952 01:20:43,440 --> 01:20:46,560 Um, now I did notice I believe our 1953 01:20:46,560 --> 01:20:50,239 delegate from item 1954 01:20:50,239 --> 01:20:53,199 13.3 1955 01:20:53,199 --> 01:20:56,640 um has arrived 1956 01:20:56,640 --> 01:21:01,679 and that is uh Ro um Durgo. 1957 01:21:01,679 --> 01:21:03,760 So, I just want to let you know, Ro, we 1958 01:21:03,760 --> 01:21:06,800 did already council did pass um the item 1959 01:21:06,800 --> 01:21:08,880 that you were coming to speak on, but 1960 01:21:08,880 --> 01:21:11,120 you are absolutely still welcome to 1961 01:21:11,120 --> 01:21:12,800 speak if you would like to. I'm happy to 1962 01:21:12,800 --> 01:21:15,120 give you your time. 1963 01:21:15,120 --> 01:21:18,800 >> Okay. Thank you. Um for those online, 1964 01:21:18,800 --> 01:21:20,880 he's declined his opportunity to speak, 1965 01:21:20,880 --> 01:21:22,560 but you are of course welcome to reach 1966 01:21:22,560 --> 01:21:24,560 out to council as well um if you have 1967 01:21:24,560 --> 01:21:26,239 any further correspondence you'd like to 1968 01:21:26,239 --> 01:21:27,840 share with us. 1969 01:21:27,840 --> 01:21:33,360 >> Okay. Thank you. Um on to item 14.6 1970 01:21:33,360 --> 01:21:35,280 and councelor Cresman does have a 1971 01:21:35,280 --> 01:21:37,920 conflict. So just noting that uh the 1972 01:21:37,920 --> 01:21:40,080 recommendation is that this report on 1973 01:21:40,080 --> 01:21:43,440 the zone change application 05-26 Grich 1974 01:21:43,440 --> 01:21:45,360 Road in Ben 1975 01:21:45,360 --> 01:21:47,040 uh be received for information and that 1976 01:21:47,040 --> 01:21:48,480 council approve the zone change 1977 01:21:48,480 --> 01:21:50,320 application as set out in the draft 1978 01:21:50,320 --> 01:21:53,120 bylaw included as attachment B to the 1979 01:21:53,120 --> 01:21:55,120 report. To get this on the floor, may I 1980 01:21:55,120 --> 01:21:57,760 have a mover, please? Moved by councelor 1981 01:21:57,760 --> 01:22:00,719 Martin, seconded by councelor Sadu, and 1982 01:22:00,719 --> 01:22:02,560 I will turn it back over to director 1983 01:22:02,560 --> 01:22:05,600 Martin to present this report. 1984 01:22:05,600 --> 01:22:07,120 >> Uh, thank you, Mayor Solen. Very 1985 01:22:07,120 --> 01:22:09,360 briefly, uh, this application proposes 1986 01:22:09,360 --> 01:22:11,760 to change the zoning of lands that are 1987 01:22:11,760 --> 01:22:13,040 already designated in the current 1988 01:22:13,040 --> 01:22:14,880 official plan for employment purposes. 1989 01:22:14,880 --> 01:22:17,199 Uh, this is the next step in uh, 1990 01:22:17,199 --> 01:22:19,040 facilitating development of employment 1991 01:22:19,040 --> 01:22:21,440 lands. Um, there was a delay from the 1992 01:22:21,440 --> 01:22:23,280 time of designation to the zoning to 1993 01:22:23,280 --> 01:22:24,400 allow for some of the work that was 1994 01:22:24,400 --> 01:22:26,480 occurring on Gingrich Road. uh the 1995 01:22:26,480 --> 01:22:28,480 twinning of a storm sewer under the road 1996 01:22:28,480 --> 01:22:31,120 allowed for um alterations to the flood 1997 01:22:31,120 --> 01:22:33,440 limits on this site which uh optimizes 1998 01:22:33,440 --> 01:22:35,600 the development opportunity. So uh once 1999 01:22:35,600 --> 01:22:36,960 that work was completed, they then 2000 01:22:36,960 --> 01:22:38,480 proceeded with the zoning application 2001 01:22:38,480 --> 01:22:41,440 before you uh and staff are recommending 2002 01:22:41,440 --> 01:22:43,600 approval. 2003 01:22:43,600 --> 01:22:45,280 >> Thank you very much. Questions or 2004 01:22:45,280 --> 01:22:49,189 comments on this one, council? 2005 01:22:49,199 --> 01:22:52,639 Councelor Wilkinson, is that a hand up? 2006 01:22:52,639 --> 01:22:55,920 Okay, you may speak. 2007 01:22:55,920 --> 01:22:58,560 through the chair. Um, 2008 01:22:58,560 --> 01:23:00,320 I'm just curious, uh, Director Martin, 2009 01:23:00,320 --> 01:23:01,760 if there's been any indication as to 2010 01:23:01,760 --> 01:23:04,880 what types of, uh, what types of 2011 01:23:04,880 --> 01:23:08,159 development we would anticipate here, 2012 01:23:08,159 --> 01:23:11,760 uh, with this resoning. Just curious. 2013 01:23:11,760 --> 01:23:13,920 >> Um, through May, there is a lot of 2014 01:23:13,920 --> 01:23:15,280 flexibility. One of the things the 2015 01:23:15,280 --> 01:23:18,159 zoning does really um, restrict though 2016 01:23:18,159 --> 01:23:20,560 is uses that would impact the plan 2017 01:23:20,560 --> 01:23:23,360 residential uh, to the north. So heavy 2018 01:23:23,360 --> 01:23:25,520 industry realist realistically wouldn't 2019 01:23:25,520 --> 01:23:27,440 occur here, but um it could be any kind 2020 01:23:27,440 --> 01:23:30,320 of warehousing, office, small shops. Um 2021 01:23:30,320 --> 01:23:32,639 there's a there's there's multiple 2022 01:23:32,639 --> 01:23:34,480 opportunities there. We have had people 2023 01:23:34,480 --> 01:23:36,159 that have connected with us. We've 2024 01:23:36,159 --> 01:23:38,480 direct them to the estate to uh to to 2025 01:23:38,480 --> 01:23:39,920 see if there's opportunities there. So 2026 01:23:39,920 --> 01:23:41,840 there's there's lots of interest. What 2027 01:23:41,840 --> 01:23:46,159 lands there, I I I don't know for sure. 2028 01:23:46,159 --> 01:23:48,080 >> Thank you. Any other questions or 2029 01:23:48,080 --> 01:23:50,960 comments, council? Okay, seeing none, 2030 01:23:50,960 --> 01:23:53,280 all those in favor? 2031 01:23:53,280 --> 01:23:56,480 And that carries unanimously. 2032 01:23:56,480 --> 01:24:00,000 And on to 14.7. 2033 01:24:00,000 --> 01:24:02,239 Uh, this is the community improvement 2034 01:24:02,239 --> 01:24:04,560 plan brownfield financial incentive 2035 01:24:04,560 --> 01:24:07,040 program. The recommendation is that the 2036 01:24:07,040 --> 01:24:08,639 report be received for information and 2037 01:24:08,639 --> 01:24:10,320 that council designate the whole 2038 01:24:10,320 --> 01:24:12,000 township of Wilmont as a community 2039 01:24:12,000 --> 01:24:13,840 improvement project area for the purpose 2040 01:24:13,840 --> 01:24:15,920 of establishing a community improvement 2041 01:24:15,920 --> 01:24:18,560 plan and that council approve and adopt 2042 01:24:18,560 --> 01:24:20,000 the township of Wilmont community 2043 01:24:20,000 --> 01:24:21,920 improvement plan brownfield financial 2044 01:24:21,920 --> 01:24:24,560 incentive program joint tax increment 2045 01:24:24,560 --> 01:24:27,360 grant included as attachment A to this 2046 01:24:27,360 --> 01:24:28,960 report to get this on the floor. May I 2047 01:24:28,960 --> 01:24:31,120 have a mover? Moved by councelor 2048 01:24:31,120 --> 01:24:33,440 Wilkinson, seconded by councelor Martin. 2049 01:24:33,440 --> 01:24:35,679 and I will now turn it over to our 2050 01:24:35,679 --> 01:24:37,760 senior policy planner, Rachel Green, to 2051 01:24:37,760 --> 01:24:40,239 introduce this report. 2052 01:24:40,239 --> 01:24:41,600 >> Thank you. Good evening, mayor and 2053 01:24:41,600 --> 01:24:43,760 members of council. Uh, as a quick 2054 01:24:43,760 --> 01:24:46,000 recap, brownfield sites are typically 2055 01:24:46,000 --> 01:24:49,040 formal former industrial or commercial 2056 01:24:49,040 --> 01:24:50,320 properties with environmental 2057 01:24:50,320 --> 01:24:52,320 contamination that can make 2058 01:24:52,320 --> 01:24:55,120 redevelopment challenging and costly. So 2059 01:24:55,120 --> 01:24:58,480 the proposed program um incentive is a 2060 01:24:58,480 --> 01:25:01,440 joint tax increment or TIG um and will 2061 01:25:01,440 --> 01:25:03,199 be de delivered in partnership with the 2062 01:25:03,199 --> 01:25:05,440 region of water. Um the name has been 2063 01:25:05,440 --> 01:25:07,280 adjusted slightly since this is last in 2064 01:25:07,280 --> 01:25:09,440 front of you to ensure alignment with 2065 01:25:09,440 --> 01:25:13,120 the region's program. Um so rather than 2066 01:25:13,120 --> 01:25:15,120 providing upfront 2067 01:25:15,120 --> 01:25:17,120 funding, the grant returns the increased 2068 01:25:17,120 --> 01:25:19,040 property taxes generated after a site is 2069 01:25:19,040 --> 01:25:21,679 remediated and redeveloped. So it's it's 2070 01:25:21,679 --> 01:25:23,520 the same program. It hasn't changed. 2071 01:25:23,520 --> 01:25:25,679 We've just made some tweaks to make sure 2072 01:25:25,679 --> 01:25:27,120 that it aligns with the region's 2073 01:25:27,120 --> 01:25:29,600 program. So, applicants must demonstrate 2074 01:25:29,600 --> 01:25:31,600 eligibility as a brownfield site and 2075 01:25:31,600 --> 01:25:33,120 complete remediation requirements, 2076 01:25:33,120 --> 01:25:34,639 including obtaining a record of site 2077 01:25:34,639 --> 01:25:36,800 condition. Um, and in response to a 2078 01:25:36,800 --> 01:25:38,880 question at the public meeting um from 2079 01:25:38,880 --> 01:25:41,520 council. Um, this would apply in a 2080 01:25:41,520 --> 01:25:43,199 situation where contamination is 2081 01:25:43,199 --> 01:25:46,320 discovered during construction um after 2082 01:25:46,320 --> 01:25:48,000 a permit has already been issued, 2083 01:25:48,000 --> 01:25:49,840 provided the applicant files a record of 2084 01:25:49,840 --> 01:25:53,199 site condition. Um so staff worked 2085 01:25:53,199 --> 01:25:55,280 closely with regional staff to align the 2086 01:25:55,280 --> 01:25:57,600 program. This approach provides 2087 01:25:57,600 --> 01:25:59,199 applicants with access to larger 2088 01:25:59,199 --> 01:26:01,440 incentive creates consistency across the 2089 01:26:01,440 --> 01:26:03,840 region and allows Wilmont to leverage 2090 01:26:03,840 --> 01:26:06,320 existing regional expertise um and 2091 01:26:06,320 --> 01:26:08,639 administrative processes. So following 2092 01:26:08,639 --> 01:26:11,760 the public meeting uh held in July, no p 2093 01:26:11,760 --> 01:26:13,920 further public or agency comments were 2094 01:26:13,920 --> 01:26:16,800 received. Uh overall, the proposed cap 2095 01:26:16,800 --> 01:26:18,560 provides a practical tool to encourage 2096 01:26:18,560 --> 01:26:20,480 brownfield redevelopment by helping 2097 01:26:20,480 --> 01:26:22,400 offset remediation costs and leveling 2098 01:26:22,400 --> 01:26:24,239 the playing field between brownfield and 2099 01:26:24,239 --> 01:26:28,070 greenfield development. 2100 01:26:28,080 --> 01:26:29,600 » Thank you very much, uh councelor 2101 01:26:29,600 --> 01:26:32,870 Dunstall. 2102 01:26:32,880 --> 01:26:34,480 » Thank you, Mayor. I mean, I think this 2103 01:26:34,480 --> 01:26:37,120 is great. It will uh help with economic 2104 01:26:37,120 --> 01:26:39,600 development. My question to you is you 2105 01:26:39,600 --> 01:26:42,239 had mentioned that um it applies if 2106 01:26:42,239 --> 01:26:44,800 construction has has begun and they run 2107 01:26:44,800 --> 01:26:46,719 into the issue. What about where there's 2108 01:26:46,719 --> 01:26:49,600 a site where there is already knowledge 2109 01:26:49,600 --> 01:26:51,280 that there is going to be an issue? 2110 01:26:51,280 --> 01:26:53,920 Would it apply there as well encouraging 2111 01:26:53,920 --> 01:26:57,440 someone to go and u to uh to build 2112 01:26:57,440 --> 01:26:59,199 something uh that would help our 2113 01:26:59,199 --> 01:27:01,440 community 2114 01:27:01,440 --> 01:27:04,400 >> through the mayor? Yes. So normally 2115 01:27:04,400 --> 01:27:06,719 prior to development if it was a 2116 01:27:06,719 --> 01:27:08,960 industrial or commercial property and 2117 01:27:08,960 --> 01:27:10,719 it's going to be converted to say 2118 01:27:10,719 --> 01:27:13,520 residential usually there'll be um an 2119 01:27:13,520 --> 01:27:14,719 investigation to see if there's 2120 01:27:14,719 --> 01:27:16,960 contamination at the outset and that's 2121 01:27:16,960 --> 01:27:18,880 when they can start looking into the 2122 01:27:18,880 --> 01:27:22,000 program and staff along with the region 2123 01:27:22,000 --> 01:27:24,560 and township will hold a pre-conultation 2124 01:27:24,560 --> 01:27:26,400 meeting and go through what requirements 2125 01:27:26,400 --> 01:27:30,800 would be um part of 2126 01:27:30,800 --> 01:27:33,440 um being qualified as elible ible and 2127 01:27:33,440 --> 01:27:35,040 then 2128 01:27:35,040 --> 01:27:38,000 once that process happens there's a form 2129 01:27:38,000 --> 01:27:39,760 and then we would provide a letter to 2130 01:27:39,760 --> 01:27:41,840 the applicant and then final approval 2131 01:27:41,840 --> 01:27:45,830 would come to council. 2132 01:27:45,840 --> 01:27:47,520 » Any other questions or comments? Council 2133 01:27:47,520 --> 01:27:49,199 Martin. 2134 01:27:49,199 --> 01:27:53,199 >> Mayor Salin. I I'm not sure um uh Rachel 2135 01:27:53,199 --> 01:27:55,199 if this question is for you or if it's 2136 01:27:55,199 --> 01:27:57,199 for someone else and and maybe it can't 2137 01:27:57,199 --> 01:27:58,560 be answered tonight because I didn't 2138 01:27:58,560 --> 01:27:59,920 think of it until we were in this 2139 01:27:59,920 --> 01:28:02,880 discussion. Um I I I was thinking about 2140 01:28:02,880 --> 01:28:06,239 Sudbury uh and and in the past 40 years 2141 01:28:06,239 --> 01:28:08,800 the uh significant improvement that has 2142 01:28:08,800 --> 01:28:11,040 happened in that community and and 2143 01:28:11,040 --> 01:28:14,639 environmentalists uh commenting uh about 2144 01:28:14,639 --> 01:28:19,360 um uh how how uh environmentally uh uh 2145 01:28:19,360 --> 01:28:20,800 the the great improvements that have 2146 01:28:20,800 --> 01:28:23,679 occurred in the past 40 years. So by uh 2147 01:28:23,679 --> 01:28:27,040 designating all of our township as uh um 2148 01:28:27,040 --> 01:28:30,560 eligible uh for this, is that along the 2149 01:28:30,560 --> 01:28:33,600 same line as what happened in Sudbury 2150 01:28:33,600 --> 01:28:35,840 over the past 40 years? Is there a 2151 01:28:35,840 --> 01:28:37,920 comparison? Does anybody know? And if 2152 01:28:37,920 --> 01:28:40,480 nobody knows, it's not fair to spring on 2153 01:28:40,480 --> 01:28:42,400 a question that uh I hadn't thought of 2154 01:28:42,400 --> 01:28:48,390 in advance. 2155 01:28:48,400 --> 01:28:50,400 I I your mayor son I think it's fair to 2156 01:28:50,400 --> 01:28:52,320 say I don't think we're in a position to 2157 01:28:52,320 --> 01:28:53,679 answer whether it's comparable to 2158 01:28:53,679 --> 01:28:56,480 Sudbury but it in the case of Wilmont it 2159 01:28:56,480 --> 01:28:58,560 does provide more flexibility so it's 2160 01:28:58,560 --> 01:29:00,320 not a defined area it provide the same 2161 01:29:00,320 --> 01:29:01,360 opportunity throughout the entire 2162 01:29:01,360 --> 01:29:04,790 township. 2163 01:29:04,800 --> 01:29:06,480 » Any other questions or comments? 2164 01:29:06,480 --> 01:29:08,239 Councelor President. 2165 01:29:08,239 --> 01:29:11,679 >> Yes. Just ask add clarity. My 2166 01:29:11,679 --> 01:29:14,560 interpretation of the entire township 2167 01:29:14,560 --> 01:29:17,440 was That meant regardless of where the 2168 01:29:17,440 --> 01:29:21,199 site was located, it would be eligible. 2169 01:29:21,199 --> 01:29:24,719 And therefore, it wasn't specific to say 2170 01:29:24,719 --> 01:29:27,920 my backyard is a brownfield site. But it 2171 01:29:27,920 --> 01:29:30,719 means that, you know, if there is a 2172 01:29:30,719 --> 01:29:33,600 brownfield site located anywhere in the 2173 01:29:33,600 --> 01:29:36,320 township, it isn't ruled out in terms of 2174 01:29:36,320 --> 01:29:39,990 eligibility 2175 01:29:40,000 --> 01:29:42,800 through the mayor. That's correct. 2176 01:29:42,800 --> 01:29:45,280 Any other questions or comments? 2177 01:29:45,280 --> 01:29:49,199 Okay, seeing none, um I actually did 2178 01:29:49,199 --> 01:29:51,760 have one question. I just wanted to make 2179 01:29:51,760 --> 01:29:53,520 sure I know that you've mentioned if 2180 01:29:53,520 --> 01:29:55,440 they find contamination after the 2181 01:29:55,440 --> 01:29:59,040 permits that uh they could apply. 2182 01:29:59,040 --> 01:30:01,440 This is not retroactive though, correct? 2183 01:30:01,440 --> 01:30:03,280 Because we've not had a program in 2184 01:30:03,280 --> 01:30:04,880 place. I just want to make sure we don't 2185 01:30:04,880 --> 01:30:06,960 suddenly have an influx of people who 2186 01:30:06,960 --> 01:30:09,280 have remediated Brownfield. 2187 01:30:09,280 --> 01:30:11,280 >> So through the mayor, we haven't put a 2188 01:30:11,280 --> 01:30:13,840 date on. So if there has been a site 2189 01:30:13,840 --> 01:30:16,560 that has been remediated but not yet 2190 01:30:16,560 --> 01:30:18,320 started their redevelopment, they could 2191 01:30:18,320 --> 01:30:19,840 be still eligible. 2192 01:30:19,840 --> 01:30:22,639 >> Okay. But if the redevelopment is done, 2193 01:30:22,639 --> 01:30:25,199 they cannot come for the T. Okay. 2194 01:30:25,199 --> 01:30:25,920 Correct. 2195 01:30:25,920 --> 01:30:28,000 >> All right. Thank you for that clarity. 2196 01:30:28,000 --> 01:30:29,840 Um with that, I will call the vote. All 2197 01:30:29,840 --> 01:30:31,520 those in favor? 2198 01:30:31,520 --> 01:30:34,239 >> And that carries unanimously. On to 2199 01:30:34,239 --> 01:30:37,280 14.8. And this is the salt site 2200 01:30:37,280 --> 01:30:40,159 alteration background report. Uh the 2201 01:30:40,159 --> 01:30:41,600 recommendation is to receive this for 2202 01:30:41,600 --> 01:30:43,199 information and that staff be directed 2203 01:30:43,199 --> 01:30:45,840 to return to council in February 2027 to 2204 01:30:45,840 --> 01:30:47,600 seek direction on which option to pursue 2205 01:30:47,600 --> 01:30:50,239 as outlined in the report. Do I have a 2206 01:30:50,239 --> 01:30:52,159 mover for this? Moved by councelor 2207 01:30:52,159 --> 01:30:54,719 Cresman, seconded by councelor Sadu. And 2208 01:30:54,719 --> 01:30:58,639 I will turn it back over to Miss Green. 2209 01:30:58,639 --> 01:31:00,480 Thank you. So the report this evening 2210 01:31:00,480 --> 01:31:02,000 was prepared in collaboration with 2211 01:31:02,000 --> 01:31:04,159 infrastructure services. Um and it 2212 01:31:04,159 --> 01:31:05,520 builds on council's previous direction 2213 01:31:05,520 --> 01:31:08,080 to explore a site alteration bylaw. um 2214 01:31:08,080 --> 01:31:09,760 provides an overview of the current 2215 01:31:09,760 --> 01:31:12,000 regulatory framework, the township's 2216 01:31:12,000 --> 01:31:13,600 existing tools and potential options 2217 01:31:13,600 --> 01:31:16,159 moving forward. So site alteration 2218 01:31:16,159 --> 01:31:17,840 involves the placement of fill, removal 2219 01:31:17,840 --> 01:31:20,159 of soil, or changes to the grading. Um 2220 01:31:20,159 --> 01:31:22,000 these activities can support development 2221 01:31:22,000 --> 01:31:24,080 and improve site conditions, but they 2222 01:31:24,080 --> 01:31:26,239 can also create impacts related to truck 2223 01:31:26,239 --> 01:31:28,239 traffic, road damage, dust, noise, 2224 01:31:28,239 --> 01:31:30,880 drainage, erosion, sedimentation. 2225 01:31:30,880 --> 01:31:34,400 Um and so site alteration is already 2226 01:31:34,400 --> 01:31:36,159 partially regulated through several 2227 01:31:36,159 --> 01:31:37,600 existing provincial and agency 2228 01:31:37,600 --> 01:31:40,320 frameworks. So the province regulates 2229 01:31:40,320 --> 01:31:43,520 excess soil quality and reuse um with 2230 01:31:43,520 --> 01:31:45,440 requirements generally increasing as 2231 01:31:45,440 --> 01:31:48,320 projects become larger and more complex 2232 01:31:48,320 --> 01:31:50,719 specifically for large projects over 2233 01:31:50,719 --> 01:31:54,480 10,000 cubic meters or 800 to,400 2234 01:31:54,480 --> 01:31:56,719 standard dump trucks that fill. Uh the 2235 01:31:56,719 --> 01:31:59,040 GRCA also has regulations and they 2236 01:31:59,040 --> 01:32:01,760 regulate uh fill placement over a 2237 01:32:01,760 --> 01:32:05,120 thousand cubic meters or 80 to 140 dump 2238 01:32:05,120 --> 01:32:07,679 trucks um within regulated areas such as 2239 01:32:07,679 --> 01:32:09,280 wetlands, flood planes, and water 2240 01:32:09,280 --> 01:32:10,800 courses. 2241 01:32:10,800 --> 01:32:13,040 Uh the township has several tools 2242 01:32:13,040 --> 01:32:14,960 available to address impacts associated 2243 01:32:14,960 --> 01:32:16,719 with fill and grading activities. So for 2244 01:32:16,719 --> 01:32:18,560 example, through the planning process, 2245 01:32:18,560 --> 01:32:20,320 currently staff can already require 2246 01:32:20,320 --> 01:32:22,400 technical studies and secure mitigation 2247 01:32:22,400 --> 01:32:24,480 measures through development agreements. 2248 01:32:24,480 --> 01:32:26,480 Um the township's existing noise bylaw 2249 01:32:26,480 --> 01:32:27,840 can address concerns related to 2250 01:32:27,840 --> 01:32:29,440 construction noise and equipment 2251 01:32:29,440 --> 01:32:31,840 operation. Um there's an existing 2252 01:32:31,840 --> 01:32:34,320 traffic and parking bylaw um that 2253 01:32:34,320 --> 01:32:36,159 relates to heavy vehicle parking and 2254 01:32:36,159 --> 01:32:39,280 truck restrictions. Um however, township 2255 01:32:39,280 --> 01:32:41,600 can only regulate roads under its own or 2256 01:32:41,600 --> 01:32:43,840 jurisdiction. Um so these wouldn't apply 2257 01:32:43,840 --> 01:32:46,719 to regional or provincial roads. Um the 2258 01:32:46,719 --> 01:32:48,560 township also has authority under the 2259 01:32:48,560 --> 01:32:50,080 municipal act to consider additional 2260 01:32:50,080 --> 01:32:52,159 nuisance related bylaws addressing 2261 01:32:52,159 --> 01:32:53,920 concerns such as dust odors and 2262 01:32:53,920 --> 01:32:56,639 vibration. And so the key considerations 2263 01:32:56,639 --> 01:32:58,880 for council is determining the preferred 2264 01:32:58,880 --> 01:33:00,639 municipal role in regulating the 2265 01:33:00,639 --> 01:33:02,800 location scale and operational impacts 2266 01:33:02,800 --> 01:33:05,520 of site alteration activities. Um so 2267 01:33:05,520 --> 01:33:08,880 there's a few options um that we've kind 2268 01:33:08,880 --> 01:33:11,440 of looked at. And so the first option A 2269 01:33:11,440 --> 01:33:13,360 is maintaining the status quo and not 2270 01:33:13,360 --> 01:33:15,760 introducing a site alteration bylaw. We 2271 01:33:15,760 --> 01:33:17,440 would continue to rely on existing 2272 01:33:17,440 --> 01:33:19,199 provincial soil quality regulations, 2273 01:33:19,199 --> 01:33:22,880 DRCA permitting and municipal by bylaws. 2274 01:33:22,880 --> 01:33:24,480 Um, this option has the lowest 2275 01:33:24,480 --> 01:33:27,520 administration and financial impact. Um, 2276 01:33:27,520 --> 01:33:29,040 however, the township would have limited 2277 01:33:29,040 --> 01:33:32,159 ability to proactively oversee um 2278 01:33:32,159 --> 01:33:34,800 impacts related to site alteration or 2279 01:33:34,800 --> 01:33:36,560 require securities to address 2280 01:33:36,560 --> 01:33:38,800 infrastructure impacts to roads for 2281 01:33:38,800 --> 01:33:40,239 example. 2282 01:33:40,239 --> 01:33:42,080 Um the second option we looked at option 2283 01:33:42,080 --> 01:33:44,239 B would be regulating large fill sites 2284 01:33:44,239 --> 01:33:46,239 only um which have the greatest 2285 01:33:46,239 --> 01:33:47,840 potential to impact roads, 2286 01:33:47,840 --> 01:33:50,000 infrastructure and the environment. Um 2287 01:33:50,000 --> 01:33:53,199 it would allow the township to permit um 2288 01:33:53,199 --> 01:33:54,960 have conditions security collect 2289 01:33:54,960 --> 01:33:56,800 securities and enter into an agreements 2290 01:33:56,800 --> 01:33:59,600 for large operations to mitigate impacts 2291 01:33:59,600 --> 01:34:01,360 um and represents a balance between 2292 01:34:01,360 --> 01:34:03,199 increased oversight and manageable 2293 01:34:03,199 --> 01:34:05,840 resource requirements. And then third is 2294 01:34:05,840 --> 01:34:08,639 option C um which is to regulate all 2295 01:34:08,639 --> 01:34:11,520 site alteration activities um from small 2296 01:34:11,520 --> 01:34:14,320 to large projects. Um this provides the 2297 01:34:14,320 --> 01:34:16,639 highest level of m municipal oversight 2298 01:34:16,639 --> 01:34:18,639 but would require significant commitment 2299 01:34:18,639 --> 01:34:21,199 of staff time for permit review, 2300 01:34:21,199 --> 01:34:23,280 inspections, compliance, monitoring and 2301 01:34:23,280 --> 01:34:25,360 enforcement and could potentially 2302 01:34:25,360 --> 01:34:26,960 require additional staffing resources 2303 01:34:26,960 --> 01:34:29,199 and ongoing operating funding but may be 2304 01:34:29,199 --> 01:34:31,520 offset by permit fees. 2305 01:34:31,520 --> 01:34:34,000 So overall, this report is intended to 2306 01:34:34,000 --> 01:34:35,840 help council determine the township's 2307 01:34:35,840 --> 01:34:37,360 preferred role in regulating site 2308 01:34:37,360 --> 01:34:39,600 alteration activities. Um, right now 2309 01:34:39,600 --> 01:34:42,320 we're just recommending the that it be 2310 01:34:42,320 --> 01:34:43,920 received for information and bring it 2311 01:34:43,920 --> 01:34:45,760 back to a future council meeting in 2312 01:34:45,760 --> 01:34:48,159 February. Thanks. 2313 01:34:48,159 --> 01:34:51,199 >> Thank you very much. Questions, council, 2314 01:34:51,199 --> 01:34:53,840 councilman. 2315 01:34:53,840 --> 01:34:57,920 >> Yes. uh through you mayor uh 2316 01:34:57,920 --> 01:35:06,480 to um manager green. Um I'm looking at the two different options. I think uh 2317 01:35:06,480 --> 01:35:09,280 certainly at this point in time B is the 2318 01:35:09,280 --> 01:35:13,520 one that would catch my eye. Um I'm 2319 01:35:13,520 --> 01:35:20,719 wondering 10,000 cubic meters. Um, given 2320 01:35:20,719 --> 01:35:24,000 at least one active site here in the in 2321 01:35:24,000 --> 01:35:27,840 the township, uh, uh, I would assume 2322 01:35:27,840 --> 01:35:31,120 they surpass that and do they have an 2323 01:35:31,120 --> 01:35:33,679 exemption because quote unquote they're 2324 01:35:33,679 --> 01:35:35,600 looking at 2325 01:35:35,600 --> 01:35:38,800 um, farming 2326 01:35:38,800 --> 01:35:41,600 and so I thought, is that a giant 2327 01:35:41,600 --> 01:35:43,679 loophole? 2328 01:35:43,679 --> 01:35:45,679 I am a farmer, but is that a giant 2329 01:35:45,679 --> 01:35:48,960 loophole that you could drive massive 2330 01:35:48,960 --> 01:35:52,000 truck through? So, I'm just asking the 2331 01:35:52,000 --> 01:35:53,120 question 2332 01:35:53,120 --> 01:35:56,159 >> and I'd maybe just tailor it not to that 2333 01:35:56,159 --> 01:35:58,800 specific site, but in general, is 2334 01:35:58,800 --> 01:36:01,360 agricultural activity 2335 01:36:01,360 --> 01:36:04,000 like that a potential loophole? through 2336 01:36:04,000 --> 01:36:06,159 the merit. The municipal act does allow 2337 01:36:06,159 --> 01:36:09,040 exemptions or requires exemptions for 2338 01:36:09,040 --> 01:36:10,639 agricultural 2339 01:36:10,639 --> 01:36:12,560 specific 2340 01:36:12,560 --> 01:36:16,239 uh site alteration. So we would have to 2341 01:36:16,239 --> 01:36:19,920 look and ensure that it meets what is 2342 01:36:19,920 --> 01:36:23,199 defined as agriculture in that respect 2343 01:36:23,199 --> 01:36:25,280 and ensure that if it meets that then it 2344 01:36:25,280 --> 01:36:27,760 would be exempt from getting a permit if 2345 01:36:27,760 --> 01:36:31,679 we were to implement a program. 2346 01:36:31,679 --> 01:36:33,920 >> Thank you. I council Dunto. 2347 01:36:33,920 --> 01:36:36,320 >> Thank you, Mayor. Um, thank you, uh, 2348 01:36:36,320 --> 01:36:38,480 Miss Green. And I I think this is is 2349 01:36:38,480 --> 01:36:40,400 very timely and I think we definitely 2350 01:36:40,400 --> 01:36:42,560 need to have something put into place. 2351 01:36:42,560 --> 01:36:44,800 My understanding is the abuing, uh, 2352 01:36:44,800 --> 01:36:46,880 municipalities already have something. 2353 01:36:46,880 --> 01:36:48,639 And so my concern is that there will be 2354 01:36:48,639 --> 01:36:50,800 more dumping in Wilmont. We certainly 2355 01:36:50,800 --> 01:36:52,800 don't need that. Uh, my question to you 2356 01:36:52,800 --> 01:36:56,000 is how how many fill operations uh, are 2357 01:36:56,000 --> 01:36:59,520 there currently operating? Do you know? 2358 01:36:59,520 --> 01:37:02,719 >> From my understanding, two. Um but I'll 2359 01:37:02,719 --> 01:37:05,119 defer to management if they have any 2360 01:37:05,119 --> 01:37:08,639 other knowledge of any others 2361 01:37:08,639 --> 01:37:10,639 >> uh through Mana. No, I we're aware of 2362 01:37:10,639 --> 01:37:13,199 two larger operations uh in the township 2363 01:37:13,199 --> 01:37:14,719 and that's that's all we're aware of at 2364 01:37:14,719 --> 01:37:17,520 this point. 2365 01:37:17,520 --> 01:37:19,440 >> Any other questions or comments? 2366 01:37:19,440 --> 01:37:21,280 Councelor Wilkinson. 2367 01:37:21,280 --> 01:37:23,840 >> Thank you through the chair. I know um 2368 01:37:23,840 --> 01:37:25,440 there's one particular site that comes 2369 01:37:25,440 --> 01:37:27,119 up quite a bit, but I will say that you 2370 01:37:27,119 --> 01:37:29,760 know there is a um I can't remember the 2371 01:37:29,760 --> 01:37:32,159 exact body that that governs it uh at 2372 01:37:32,159 --> 01:37:33,440 the moment, but there there is 2373 01:37:33,440 --> 01:37:35,520 definitely tracking and information 2374 01:37:35,520 --> 01:37:37,280 related to where that fill is coming 2375 01:37:37,280 --> 01:37:40,719 from on um and if anybody's curious, 2376 01:37:40,719 --> 01:37:42,239 they can email me. I'm happy to send it 2377 01:37:42,239 --> 01:37:44,960 to them. Um it's just escaping me at the 2378 01:37:44,960 --> 01:37:49,360 moment. Uh but with that said, I mean I I concur with councelor Cresman. 2379 01:37:49,360 --> 01:37:52,000 option B is is probably the the 2380 01:37:52,000 --> 01:37:53,920 preferred option when we get there in 2381 01:37:53,920 --> 01:37:56,320 February. Um but ultimately this will be 2382 01:37:56,320 --> 01:37:58,159 a decision that uh we're not going to 2383 01:37:58,159 --> 01:38:00,560 make tonight. So yeah, we definitely 2384 01:38:00,560 --> 01:38:04,629 want to see it though. 2385 01:38:04,639 --> 01:38:07,119 I did have one question and it's just on 2386 01:38:07,119 --> 01:38:10,800 timing. Um I know right now the 2387 01:38:10,800 --> 01:38:12,800 recommended motion is to refer back for 2388 01:38:12,800 --> 01:38:15,520 February 2027. I'm just wondering does 2389 01:38:15,520 --> 01:38:18,000 it make more sense to tie it in with 2390 01:38:18,000 --> 01:38:20,800 budget and as we don't know with the new 2391 01:38:20,800 --> 01:38:22,960 council when budget will be coming. The 2392 01:38:22,960 --> 01:38:24,560 only reason I ask is because two of your 2393 01:38:24,560 --> 01:38:27,119 options as you noted do have financial 2394 01:38:27,119 --> 01:38:30,080 impacts. Um curious if that's an issue 2395 01:38:30,080 --> 01:38:32,000 or if there was a particular reason that 2396 01:38:32,000 --> 01:38:34,560 February was proposed. I just don't want 2397 01:38:34,560 --> 01:38:37,440 it to come out of pace with the budget 2398 01:38:37,440 --> 01:38:40,159 if there is if council in the future 2399 01:38:40,159 --> 01:38:42,000 decides on B or C as the option to 2400 01:38:42,000 --> 01:38:44,960 proceed with. 2401 01:38:44,960 --> 01:38:48,000 >> I'm going to defer to director Martin. 2402 01:38:48,000 --> 01:38:50,400 >> Uh thank you, Mayor. So the the February 2403 01:38:50,400 --> 01:38:52,080 date was more to allow for an 2404 01:38:52,080 --> 01:38:54,480 opportunity for a new council to be 2405 01:38:54,480 --> 01:38:57,040 adjusted. Um there would be public 2406 01:38:57,040 --> 01:38:59,760 consultation requirements. So in in 2407 01:38:59,760 --> 01:39:01,600 theory, we could tie it to a budget 2408 01:39:01,600 --> 01:39:05,440 process, but um prior to February, there 2409 01:39:05,440 --> 01:39:07,360 really won't be a significant 2410 01:39:07,360 --> 01:39:09,760 opportunity to go to a public public 2411 01:39:09,760 --> 01:39:12,639 meeting uh to advertise, you know, the 2412 01:39:12,639 --> 01:39:15,440 proposal. So that's where we were uh we 2413 01:39:15,440 --> 01:39:18,719 were looking at the later date. um you 2414 01:39:18,719 --> 01:39:20,560 know initially depending on what the 2415 01:39:20,560 --> 01:39:23,360 what what what uh what option is looked 2416 01:39:23,360 --> 01:39:27,280 at um there there's components of that could could come through without 2417 01:39:27,280 --> 01:39:29,679 significant impacts initially um knowing 2418 01:39:29,679 --> 01:39:31,600 that if you know next stages of that 2419 01:39:31,600 --> 01:39:33,920 would have financial implications would 2420 01:39:33,920 --> 01:39:34,960 allow for the opportunity to be 2421 01:39:34,960 --> 01:39:36,480 considered at a future budget meeting as 2422 01:39:36,480 --> 01:39:38,960 well. So, um, future budget, meaning 2423 01:39:38,960 --> 01:39:41,679 2028. Uh, 2424 01:39:41,679 --> 01:39:43,600 but I guess we can, you know, it's up to 2425 01:39:43,600 --> 01:39:45,199 council's direction on how they'd like 2426 01:39:45,199 --> 01:39:47,199 us to proceed at this point. Um, but 2427 01:39:47,199 --> 01:39:49,040 primarily the date was there to allow 2428 01:39:49,040 --> 01:39:51,440 for public consultation with a new 2429 01:39:51,440 --> 01:39:54,159 council after the election. Uh, and you 2430 01:39:54,159 --> 01:39:56,159 know, new council settled in for a 2431 01:39:56,159 --> 01:39:58,000 month. 2432 01:39:58,000 --> 01:40:01,119 >> Okay. Um, that answer satisfies my 2433 01:40:01,119 --> 01:40:03,280 question. Councelor Cresman. 2434 01:40:03,280 --> 01:40:05,520 >> Yes. Through you, mayor. One further 2435 01:40:05,520 --> 01:40:08,560 question. Uh anecdotally there was 2436 01:40:08,560 --> 01:40:14,320 always the comment that you once a a um 2437 01:40:14,320 --> 01:40:18,880 excess soil uh site had been initiated 2438 01:40:18,880 --> 01:40:22,400 it couldn't be uh regulated. Uh and so 2439 01:40:22,400 --> 01:40:25,440 I'm wondering is that a felicious 2440 01:40:25,440 --> 01:40:29,760 assumption or is that uh if we had 2441 01:40:29,760 --> 01:40:33,920 option option B that uh we could in fact 2442 01:40:33,920 --> 01:40:37,280 regulate something that's existing 2443 01:40:37,280 --> 01:40:40,239 >> through the mayor. So should we go down 2444 01:40:40,239 --> 01:40:41,679 the path of implementing a site 2445 01:40:41,679 --> 01:40:43,440 alteration bylaw, we'd probably look at 2446 01:40:43,440 --> 01:40:47,040 some transition um policy to be put in 2447 01:40:47,040 --> 01:40:49,920 there. there would likely not be an 2448 01:40:49,920 --> 01:40:51,440 opportunity to regulate what's been 2449 01:40:51,440 --> 01:40:53,760 done, but if there was an increase in 2450 01:40:53,760 --> 01:40:56,159 the area or the increase in the volume 2451 01:40:56,159 --> 01:40:58,320 of fill moving forward, that could 2452 01:40:58,320 --> 01:41:01,840 potentially fall under a bylaw. 2453 01:41:01,840 --> 01:41:04,320 >> Thank you. I'm not seeing any other 2454 01:41:04,320 --> 01:41:06,400 questions or comments. Again, tonight, 2455 01:41:06,400 --> 01:41:08,159 this is just to receive for information 2456 01:41:08,159 --> 01:41:10,800 and then um have staff bring this back 2457 01:41:10,800 --> 01:41:14,000 to council in February 2027. So, I will 2458 01:41:14,000 --> 01:41:16,239 call the question. All those in favor? 2459 01:41:16,239 --> 01:41:19,119 and that's carried unanimously. Uh on to 2460 01:41:19,119 --> 01:41:22,560 report 14.9 and this is the Mannheim 2461 01:41:22,560 --> 01:41:25,360 service area water allocation policy. 2462 01:41:25,360 --> 01:41:27,360 The recommendation is that council 2463 01:41:27,360 --> 01:41:29,600 receives this report for information and 2464 01:41:29,600 --> 01:41:31,199 that council approve the bylaw and 2465 01:41:31,199 --> 01:41:35,280 policy as attached um as attachment A to 2466 01:41:35,280 --> 01:41:37,440 this report and that council delegate 2467 01:41:37,440 --> 01:41:39,119 authority to the director of development 2468 01:41:39,119 --> 01:41:40,719 services or in their absence the 2469 01:41:40,719 --> 01:41:42,719 director of infrastructure services to 2470 01:41:42,719 --> 01:41:44,719 be delegated delegated to make 2471 01:41:44,719 --> 01:41:46,880 allocation decisions pursuant to the 2472 01:41:46,880 --> 01:41:49,840 policy as in attachment A and that the 2473 01:41:49,840 --> 01:41:51,440 director of development services or in 2474 01:41:51,440 --> 01:41:52,639 their absence the director of 2475 01:41:52,639 --> 01:41:55,199 infrastructure services be delegated 2476 01:41:55,199 --> 01:41:57,440 um report to council when an allocation 2477 01:41:57,440 --> 01:42:00,080 has been assigned pursuant to the policy 2478 01:42:00,080 --> 01:42:02,080 which is noted in attachment A and that 2479 01:42:02,080 --> 01:42:03,760 the mayor and the clerk be authorized to 2480 01:42:03,760 --> 01:42:05,760 execute the allocation policy 2481 01:42:05,760 --> 01:42:08,080 administrative agreement jointly entered 2482 01:42:08,080 --> 01:42:10,000 into with the region of waterl city of 2483 01:42:10,000 --> 01:42:11,280 Cambridge city of Kitchener city of 2484 01:42:11,280 --> 01:42:13,119 water and township of Wulitch to 2485 01:42:13,119 --> 01:42:14,560 implement the region of waterlue 2486 01:42:14,560 --> 01:42:16,560 allocation policy to get this on the 2487 01:42:16,560 --> 01:42:18,560 floor may I have a mover moved by 2488 01:42:18,560 --> 01:42:20,159 councelor Sue seconded by councelor 2489 01:42:20,159 --> 01:42:22,239 Martin and I will turn it back over to 2490 01:42:22,239 --> 01:42:24,159 director Sorry. 2491 01:42:24,159 --> 01:42:26,800 >> Uh thank you, Mayor Salin. Uh so this uh 2492 01:42:26,800 --> 01:42:30,239 this report um was dealt with to a 2493 01:42:30,239 --> 01:42:31,600 certain extent with other municipalities 2494 01:42:31,600 --> 01:42:35,679 earlier. Um ultimately uh it looks at 2495 01:42:35,679 --> 01:42:37,440 the water allocation to Wilmont within 2496 01:42:37,440 --> 01:42:39,360 the Manahide service area which is a 2497 01:42:39,360 --> 01:42:40,800 very small piece of the overall 2498 01:42:40,800 --> 01:42:43,360 equation. Uh hence our late uh arrival 2499 01:42:43,360 --> 01:42:45,920 to council with this. Um ultimately in 2500 01:42:45,920 --> 01:42:48,320 May, the region approved a region uh 2501 01:42:48,320 --> 01:42:50,400 water supply allocation policy that 2502 01:42:50,400 --> 01:42:52,239 looked at assigning buckets of capacity 2503 01:42:52,239 --> 01:42:54,159 to municipalities based on growth 2504 01:42:54,159 --> 01:42:56,080 potential in those areas and and uh 2505 01:42:56,080 --> 01:42:57,760 official plan designations where growth 2506 01:42:57,760 --> 01:43:00,880 was going to occur. And then um in June 2507 01:43:00,880 --> 01:43:02,880 of 26, they adopted an interimm risk 2508 01:43:02,880 --> 01:43:04,960 management that looked at you know those 2509 01:43:04,960 --> 01:43:07,040 buckets of of allocation what that 2510 01:43:07,040 --> 01:43:09,119 number would be in the time frame. So 2511 01:43:09,119 --> 01:43:11,600 ultimately in that uh Wilmet has 2512 01:43:11,600 --> 01:43:15,199 allocated 0.01% 01% of the overall piece 2513 01:43:15,199 --> 01:43:19,360 which um in the July uh bucket that was 2514 01:43:19,360 --> 01:43:21,760 allocated would mean one person uh to 2515 01:43:21,760 --> 01:43:27,600 Wilmont over the course of the uh the risk management process to 2030 uh 2516 01:43:27,600 --> 01:43:31,199 one that means 17 people. Uh so we're 2517 01:43:31,199 --> 01:43:33,679 not talking a lot of allocation. We also 2518 01:43:33,679 --> 01:43:35,360 don't have a lot of plan growth within 2519 01:43:35,360 --> 01:43:37,760 the uh service uh the Manheim service 2520 01:43:37,760 --> 01:43:41,119 area limited implications. Um but should 2521 01:43:41,119 --> 01:43:42,960 those numbers change, should there be 2522 01:43:42,960 --> 01:43:44,880 additional water, um that percentage 2523 01:43:44,880 --> 01:43:46,400 could mean a larger number and could 2524 01:43:46,400 --> 01:43:48,480 have some implications for for some 2525 01:43:48,480 --> 01:43:50,560 potential areas in in your St. Agatha or 2526 01:43:50,560 --> 01:43:53,600 Manheim areas. Um so we feel it's 2527 01:43:53,600 --> 01:43:56,480 prudent to be part of that uh to enter 2528 01:43:56,480 --> 01:43:57,600 into the agreement that the other 2529 01:43:57,600 --> 01:43:59,040 municipalities have already entered into 2530 01:43:59,040 --> 01:44:01,040 which is one part of the recommendation 2531 01:44:01,040 --> 01:44:03,440 and then we've basically uh with some 2532 01:44:03,440 --> 01:44:06,159 minor modifications to reflect Wilmont. 2533 01:44:06,159 --> 01:44:08,239 We've uh the proposed policy is 2534 01:44:08,239 --> 01:44:09,920 reflective of what Woolwitch has already 2535 01:44:09,920 --> 01:44:12,400 passed uh to deal with allocation. Uh so 2536 01:44:12,400 --> 01:44:14,560 it provides you know scenario what the 2537 01:44:14,560 --> 01:44:16,480 priorities would be if we were to have a 2538 01:44:16,480 --> 01:44:18,880 bucket. Again, we're dealing with 17 2539 01:44:18,880 --> 01:44:20,880 people to 2031, so it's not a a 2540 01:44:20,880 --> 01:44:23,199 significant piece to deal with, but it 2541 01:44:23,199 --> 01:44:24,800 provides a framework on how you'd make 2542 01:44:24,800 --> 01:44:26,239 decisions about allocation going 2543 01:44:26,239 --> 01:44:30,400 forward. So, from that perspective, the idea would be if if council were to 2544 01:44:30,400 --> 01:44:32,400 support this, we would execute the 2545 01:44:32,400 --> 01:44:33,840 agreement that the other municipalities 2546 01:44:33,840 --> 01:44:36,080 have already, which would then mean that 2547 01:44:36,080 --> 01:44:39,040 we would receive our small uh allocation 2548 01:44:39,040 --> 01:44:40,639 and we would have an opportunity to hold 2549 01:44:40,639 --> 01:44:43,280 on to that until there's a need to 2550 01:44:43,280 --> 01:44:45,600 allocate. 2551 01:44:45,600 --> 01:44:48,960 Council Gresman, 2552 01:44:48,960 --> 01:44:52,800 >> I would say this policy is a little bit 2553 01:44:52,800 --> 01:44:57,760 dripping with iron irony, but I I would 2554 01:44:57,760 --> 01:45:01,440 say uh the 19 LERs per second that they 2555 01:45:01,440 --> 01:45:05,590 took serendip 2556 01:45:05,600 --> 01:45:07,760 our knowledge 2557 01:45:07,760 --> 01:45:12,800 30 liters, sorry, uh from 2019. Um 2558 01:45:12,800 --> 01:45:17,520 anyhow I I certainly support this but uh 2559 01:45:17,520 --> 01:45:21,040 the question I have I guess to either uh 2560 01:45:21,040 --> 01:45:23,440 director Martin or director Vanderwal is 2561 01:45:23,440 --> 01:45:27,199 about the Ben well that we know has 2562 01:45:27,199 --> 01:45:28,719 issues 2563 01:45:28,719 --> 01:45:33,199 uh and they haven't got a clear uh it is 2564 01:45:33,199 --> 01:45:35,520 indirectly connected I believe to the 2565 01:45:35,520 --> 01:45:38,480 Mannheim system to supply some of our 2566 01:45:38,480 --> 01:45:41,360 water is it not or it's being 2567 01:45:41,360 --> 01:45:46,320 supplemented or how is that? Um, so I 2568 01:45:46,320 --> 01:45:48,800 guess that's the question. 2569 01:45:48,800 --> 01:45:51,360 >> Uh, and I'll attempt to answer if I've 2570 01:45:51,360 --> 01:45:53,440 missed anything then Mr. Vanderwal would 2571 01:45:53,440 --> 01:45:56,400 be able to respond. But we technically 2572 01:45:56,400 --> 01:45:58,880 uh the system would be they're 2573 01:45:58,880 --> 01:46:01,119 connected. It would be a matter of 2574 01:46:01,119 --> 01:46:02,480 turning the tap in a different 2575 01:46:02,480 --> 01:46:04,639 direction, but it's it's not it's not 2576 01:46:04,639 --> 01:46:06,639 feeding the system at this point, but 2577 01:46:06,639 --> 01:46:08,480 the infrastructure provides the 2578 01:46:08,480 --> 01:46:10,960 opportunity that it could in theory, but 2579 01:46:10,960 --> 01:46:13,360 uh that that isn't part of the current 2580 01:46:13,360 --> 01:46:15,520 uh Ben and New Hamburg water system if 2581 01:46:15,520 --> 01:46:16,960 those wells were to come online and be 2582 01:46:16,960 --> 01:46:18,719 part of that. It isn't it isn't the way 2583 01:46:18,719 --> 01:46:21,679 it works presently, but um there would 2584 01:46:21,679 --> 01:46:25,760 be an opportunity uh for that to occur. 2585 01:46:25,760 --> 01:46:28,639 Just just to through you may mer to 2586 01:46:28,639 --> 01:46:32,960 clarify my question which uh is Mannheim 2587 01:46:32,960 --> 01:46:36,880 currently serving Ben because of the 2588 01:46:36,880 --> 01:46:40,480 challenges with that well uh I guess is 2589 01:46:40,480 --> 01:46:45,199 what my question is. Sorry I missed the part of that question there. 2590 01:46:45,199 --> 01:46:47,040 So the answer is no. Ven is not serviced 2591 01:46:47,040 --> 01:46:51,430 by man. 2592 01:46:51,440 --> 01:46:52,960 » Any other questions or comments on this 2593 01:46:52,960 --> 01:46:55,840 report? Okay, seeing none, all those in 2594 01:46:55,840 --> 01:46:59,280 favor and that carries unanimously. 2595 01:46:59,280 --> 01:47:04,080 On to 14.10 and the recommendation is to 2596 01:47:04,080 --> 01:47:08,000 receive uh the tax aer status update for 2597 01:47:08,000 --> 01:47:09,600 information to get this on the floor. 2598 01:47:09,600 --> 01:47:11,119 May I have a mover, please? Moved by 2599 01:47:11,119 --> 01:47:12,880 councelor Sedu, seconded by councelor 2600 01:47:12,880 --> 01:47:15,119 Martin. And I will turn it over to our 2601 01:47:15,119 --> 01:47:16,960 supervisor of taxation and revenue, 2602 01:47:16,960 --> 01:47:20,080 Emily Woon, to introduce this report. 2603 01:47:20,080 --> 01:47:21,760 >> Good evening, Mayor Salin and members of 2604 01:47:21,760 --> 01:47:24,239 council. The tax rear status update 2605 01:47:24,239 --> 01:47:25,920 report before you tonight provides an 2606 01:47:25,920 --> 01:47:28,159 update on the township's property tax 2607 01:47:28,159 --> 01:47:32,000 rears as of July 31st, 2026, together 2608 01:47:32,000 --> 01:47:34,080 with an overview of the legislative 2609 01:47:34,080 --> 01:47:36,159 framework, uh the collection processes 2610 01:47:36,159 --> 01:47:38,480 used by finance staff and the current 2611 01:47:38,480 --> 01:47:40,639 status of properties identified as being 2612 01:47:40,639 --> 01:47:43,280 eligible for tax sale this year. Thank 2613 01:47:43,280 --> 01:47:45,600 you. 2614 01:47:45,600 --> 01:47:47,199 >> Thank you very much. Are there questions 2615 01:47:47,199 --> 01:47:49,600 or comments on this council? Councelor 2616 01:47:49,600 --> 01:47:51,474 Wilkinson. 2617 01:47:51,474 --> 01:47:51,520 >> [clears throat] 2618 01:47:51,520 --> 01:47:55,040 >> Uh thank you through the chair. Um 2619 01:47:55,040 --> 01:47:57,840 I I guess uh 2620 01:47:57,840 --> 01:47:59,920 more a comment I guess cause for alarm 2621 01:47:59,920 --> 01:48:01,920 in reading this report when we start to 2622 01:48:01,920 --> 01:48:06,159 see the numbers u uh of tax sales that 2623 01:48:06,159 --> 01:48:08,639 could potentially be pursued and at the 2624 01:48:08,639 --> 01:48:10,159 same time looking at the number of 2625 01:48:10,159 --> 01:48:13,760 households that are in a rears. Um, you 2626 01:48:13,760 --> 01:48:16,719 know, it's a rather large number and and 2627 01:48:16,719 --> 01:48:20,719 I I guess I'm curious uh to the manager 2628 01:48:20,719 --> 01:48:22,880 if if you've heard an overarching theme 2629 01:48:22,880 --> 01:48:25,600 as to what's driving the arars or could 2630 01:48:25,600 --> 01:48:27,280 you comment on that at all because this 2631 01:48:27,280 --> 01:48:30,159 is a very high number obviously 2632 01:48:30,159 --> 01:48:32,880 through you mayor to council. Um, so I 2633 01:48:32,880 --> 01:48:35,199 do want to note that the properties that 2634 01:48:35,199 --> 01:48:39,040 are identified as being inner rears are 2635 01:48:39,040 --> 01:48:41,920 ranging in balance. So, anything greater 2636 01:48:41,920 --> 01:48:44,320 than a $0 balance is considered an 2637 01:48:44,320 --> 01:48:47,040 outstanding account. Um, there was no 2638 01:48:47,040 --> 01:48:49,760 threshold used when when deciding to 2639 01:48:49,760 --> 01:48:52,080 include balances in this report. So, we 2640 01:48:52,080 --> 01:48:54,239 have a number of properties with 2641 01:48:54,239 --> 01:48:57,679 balances less than $1,000 um spanning 2642 01:48:57,679 --> 01:49:00,320 larger than that. Um, so I just want to 2643 01:49:00,320 --> 01:49:02,719 note that of the properties that are 2644 01:49:02,719 --> 01:49:04,719 identified as being inner rears, the 2645 01:49:04,719 --> 01:49:06,880 2,936 2646 01:49:06,880 --> 01:49:09,760 properties, 1,487 2647 01:49:09,760 --> 01:49:12,320 of them have balances less than $1,000. 2648 01:49:12,320 --> 01:49:16,000 So that's about 51 almost% of those 2649 01:49:16,000 --> 01:49:17,840 properties with balances less than 2650 01:49:17,840 --> 01:49:21,920 $1,000, which would be considered lower 2651 01:49:21,920 --> 01:49:24,960 balances. Um, I do also want to note 2652 01:49:24,960 --> 01:49:27,600 that there are a number of properties 2653 01:49:27,600 --> 01:49:29,440 identified that are currently enrolled 2654 01:49:29,440 --> 01:49:31,360 into a pre-authorized payment plan with 2655 01:49:31,360 --> 01:49:33,199 the municipality with the expectation 2656 01:49:33,199 --> 01:49:36,000 that by year end balances that are 2657 01:49:36,000 --> 01:49:38,000 outstanding would be collected through 2658 01:49:38,000 --> 01:49:42,000 those payment arrangements. Um so as of 2659 01:49:42,000 --> 01:49:44,000 now yes there are properties in a rears 2660 01:49:44,000 --> 01:49:47,440 but when we look at the amount of the 2661 01:49:47,440 --> 01:49:49,520 rears and also the plans that are in 2662 01:49:49,520 --> 01:49:51,760 place we are in moving in a direction 2663 01:49:51,760 --> 01:49:54,400 for those rears to be mostly paid by the 2664 01:49:54,400 --> 01:49:57,040 end of the year. Um now in respect to 2665 01:49:57,040 --> 01:49:59,520 the properties eligible for tax sale 2666 01:49:59,520 --> 01:50:02,400 there are 67 properties identified as 2667 01:50:02,400 --> 01:50:05,199 being eligible for tax sale. Um when we 2668 01:50:05,199 --> 01:50:09,040 compare to prior years last year tax 2669 01:50:09,040 --> 01:50:11,360 sale efforts weren't um conducted and 2670 01:50:11,360 --> 01:50:14,239 from what I can see from prior years 2671 01:50:14,239 --> 01:50:16,560 properties 3 years and greater in a 2672 01:50:16,560 --> 01:50:19,280 rears seemed to be what was used as the 2673 01:50:19,280 --> 01:50:22,800 benchmark for eligibility. Um in 2017 2674 01:50:22,800 --> 01:50:24,560 legislation changed under under the 2675 01:50:24,560 --> 01:50:27,440 municipal act to allow properties two 2676 01:50:27,440 --> 01:50:29,360 years in a rears to become eligible for 2677 01:50:29,360 --> 01:50:31,760 tax sale which is what I have used as 2678 01:50:31,760 --> 01:50:33,760 the benchmark for determining 2679 01:50:33,760 --> 01:50:37,119 eligibility. So we we're seeing an 2680 01:50:37,119 --> 01:50:39,199 increase in number this year but from 2681 01:50:39,199 --> 01:50:41,280 what I can see from prior years it's 2682 01:50:41,280 --> 01:50:42,960 different criteria that's being 2683 01:50:42,960 --> 01:50:46,159 identified in the current year. Um, I do 2684 01:50:46,159 --> 01:50:48,400 also want to note on the 67 properties 2685 01:50:48,400 --> 01:50:50,719 that have been identified, the deadline 2686 01:50:50,719 --> 01:50:52,480 for property owners to contact the 2687 01:50:52,480 --> 01:50:56,560 municipality is August 31st. Um, as of 2688 01:50:56,560 --> 01:50:59,760 this past Friday, we've already received 2689 01:50:59,760 --> 01:51:01,760 almost $200,000 2690 01:51:01,760 --> 01:51:04,639 towards the tax sale balance uh or the 2691 01:51:04,639 --> 01:51:08,480 tax arers eligible for tax sale. Um and 2692 01:51:08,480 --> 01:51:10,639 so that represents about 22 properties 2693 01:51:10,639 --> 01:51:12,400 that have either paid their rears in 2694 01:51:12,400 --> 01:51:14,960 full um have entered into a payment plan 2695 01:51:14,960 --> 01:51:17,520 or have paid sufficient balances to 2696 01:51:17,520 --> 01:51:19,119 remove themselves from tax sale 2697 01:51:19,119 --> 01:51:21,600 eligibility for this year. So we are 2698 01:51:21,600 --> 01:51:23,840 making really great progress already on 2699 01:51:23,840 --> 01:51:25,600 collecting on those arars just through 2700 01:51:25,600 --> 01:51:28,000 our standard collection process without 2701 01:51:28,000 --> 01:51:32,320 escalating to registration for tax sale. 2702 01:51:32,320 --> 01:51:34,239 >> Councelor Wilkinson. 2703 01:51:34,239 --> 01:51:35,920 >> Thank you through the chair. Uh, 2704 01:51:35,920 --> 01:51:37,440 appreciate the the depth of that 2705 01:51:37,440 --> 01:51:39,119 response. I just want to clarify one 2706 01:51:39,119 --> 01:51:42,239 item. Um, when you say the the 2707 01:51:42,239 --> 01:51:44,800 properties in a rears that are less than 2708 01:51:44,800 --> 01:51:47,440 $1,000, but you mentioned um the 2709 01:51:47,440 --> 01:51:50,400 pre-authorized payment plan. So, are you 2710 01:51:50,400 --> 01:51:52,080 suggesting that there are a number of 2711 01:51:52,080 --> 01:51:54,080 houses here that would be in regular 2712 01:51:54,080 --> 01:51:56,080 compliance making regular monthly 2713 01:51:56,080 --> 01:51:58,800 payments um but they're considered in a 2714 01:51:58,800 --> 01:51:59,920 rears because they're not paying in 2715 01:51:59,920 --> 01:52:01,679 their quarterly installments. Is that 2716 01:52:01,679 --> 01:52:02,719 fair 2717 01:52:02,719 --> 01:52:04,639 >> through Mayor Saladin? Yes, that would 2718 01:52:04,639 --> 01:52:07,199 be correct. So, as per the way our 2719 01:52:07,199 --> 01:52:09,360 system reports, these balances would 2720 01:52:09,360 --> 01:52:12,080 technically be considered outstanding. 2721 01:52:12,080 --> 01:52:15,599 However, they are properties are entered 2722 01:52:15,599 --> 01:52:17,679 into payment arrangements provided that 2723 01:52:17,679 --> 01:52:20,000 they are fulfilled would bring them into 2724 01:52:20,000 --> 01:52:23,360 good standing by the end of the year. 2725 01:52:23,360 --> 01:52:24,320 >> Through the chair, just a quick 2726 01:52:24,320 --> 01:52:26,400 followup. Do you know off top of your 2727 01:52:26,400 --> 01:52:28,800 head how many properties are part of the 2728 01:52:28,800 --> 01:52:31,440 pre-authorized payment plan? through 2729 01:52:31,440 --> 01:52:33,840 you, Mayor Salin. Uh, yes, we have 2730 01:52:33,840 --> 01:52:36,480 approximately 2,000 properties that are 2731 01:52:36,480 --> 01:52:38,560 enrolled into a pre-authorized payment 2732 01:52:38,560 --> 01:52:41,679 plan across the different uh, classes of 2733 01:52:41,679 --> 01:52:45,030 taxation. 2734 01:52:45,040 --> 01:52:46,719 » Thank you. An additional follow. So, 2735 01:52:46,719 --> 01:52:48,159 through the chair, so basically what 2736 01:52:48,159 --> 01:52:49,840 you're saying is those 2,000 should come 2737 01:52:49,840 --> 01:52:51,199 into compliance by the end of the year, 2738 01:52:51,199 --> 01:52:54,800 which means in reality it's probably 936 2739 01:52:54,800 --> 01:52:56,800 properties that are truly in your rears 2740 01:52:56,800 --> 01:52:58,159 not making their payments. Is that a 2741 01:52:58,159 --> 01:52:59,920 fair statement? 2742 01:52:59,920 --> 01:53:01,199 through you, Mayor Salin, and into 2743 01:53:01,199 --> 01:53:06,080 council. Yes, I would agree, provided 2744 01:53:06,080 --> 01:53:08,560 that those payment plans are fulfilled. 2745 01:53:08,560 --> 01:53:11,119 Um, we do, you know, there there are 2746 01:53:11,119 --> 01:53:13,119 circumstances where maybe residents 2747 01:53:13,119 --> 01:53:15,280 move. Um, the payment plans are 2748 01:53:15,280 --> 01:53:17,360 cancelled. We do have residents 2749 01:53:17,360 --> 01:53:19,199 occasionally default on payment 2750 01:53:19,199 --> 01:53:23,119 arrangements. Um, so that's yes, I would 2751 01:53:23,119 --> 01:53:24,960 hope that those 2,000 properties would 2752 01:53:24,960 --> 01:53:27,119 come into uh good standing by the end of 2753 01:53:27,119 --> 01:53:30,320 the year. Councelor 2754 01:53:30,320 --> 01:53:31,440 Martin. 2755 01:53:31,440 --> 01:53:35,119 >> Uh through you, Mayor S. I I guess I'm following up on councelor 2756 01:53:35,119 --> 01:53:37,040 Wilkinson's questions because if I've 2757 01:53:37,040 --> 01:53:39,360 understood this explanation and and I 2758 01:53:39,360 --> 01:53:44,159 appreciate that, uh manager, um then I 2759 01:53:44,159 --> 01:53:46,480 guess I would be in a rears. I'm in a 2760 01:53:46,480 --> 01:53:49,280 monthly payment plan. So I wonder if we 2761 01:53:49,280 --> 01:53:50,960 should change this because it doesn't 2762 01:53:50,960 --> 01:53:52,880 make sense to me to call something in a 2763 01:53:52,880 --> 01:53:55,840 rears when we have a plan in place that 2764 01:53:55,840 --> 01:53:58,239 uh has a monthly payment plan. and I've 2765 01:53:58,239 --> 01:53:59,760 been doing the monthly payment plan for 2766 01:53:59,760 --> 01:54:02,159 years. Um, so I I guess I'm wondering if 2767 01:54:02,159 --> 01:54:03,760 we should consider making a change on 2768 01:54:03,760 --> 01:54:06,000 that. 2769 01:54:06,000 --> 01:54:08,639 >> I'd maybe look to Supervisor Wound just 2770 01:54:08,639 --> 01:54:11,119 in terms of 2771 01:54:11,119 --> 01:54:13,840 the ability to functionally do that with 2772 01:54:13,840 --> 01:54:15,520 the reporting technology. I'm not 2773 01:54:15,520 --> 01:54:17,280 against the proposal. I just kind of 2774 01:54:17,280 --> 01:54:18,719 want to know the logistics what that 2775 01:54:18,719 --> 01:54:20,320 would look like on the back end. 2776 01:54:20,320 --> 01:54:21,920 >> Yeah. and through you mayor Saladin to 2777 01:54:21,920 --> 01:54:25,440 can to council. Um the financial 2778 01:54:25,440 --> 01:54:27,920 software that we have is limited in the 2779 01:54:27,920 --> 01:54:30,400 reporting structure that is available. 2780 01:54:30,400 --> 01:54:33,510 Um 2781 01:54:33,520 --> 01:54:35,920 we say it I mean it's categorized as 2782 01:54:35,920 --> 01:54:38,719 outstanding because if a property owner 2783 01:54:38,719 --> 01:54:41,040 was to contact the municipality tomorrow 2784 01:54:41,040 --> 01:54:42,880 and say I would like to disenroll from 2785 01:54:42,880 --> 01:54:45,440 my pre-authorized arrangement um any 2786 01:54:45,440 --> 01:54:47,199 amount that is owing would immediately 2787 01:54:47,199 --> 01:54:49,119 become past due and subject to penalty 2788 01:54:49,119 --> 01:54:51,679 and interest. So, it it is a balance 2789 01:54:51,679 --> 01:54:53,199 that 2790 01:54:53,199 --> 01:54:55,040 it's a courtesy that we offer the 2791 01:54:55,040 --> 01:54:56,880 pre-authorized payment plan as a way to 2792 01:54:56,880 --> 01:54:59,440 help residents um budget their their 2793 01:54:59,440 --> 01:55:02,239 taxation over the year. It is a great 2794 01:55:02,239 --> 01:55:05,440 collection um tool that we use and I 2795 01:55:05,440 --> 01:55:07,199 know a lot of property owners are in 2796 01:55:07,199 --> 01:55:09,920 favor of it. I certainly am as well. Um 2797 01:55:09,920 --> 01:55:11,679 but it does not take away from the fact 2798 01:55:11,679 --> 01:55:14,320 that you know we are still required to 2799 01:55:14,320 --> 01:55:16,639 make our payments to um the region and 2800 01:55:16,639 --> 01:55:18,800 the school boards on a quarterly and 2801 01:55:18,800 --> 01:55:21,360 monthly basis and these are balances 2802 01:55:21,360 --> 01:55:25,280 that we are not collecting at time that 2803 01:55:25,280 --> 01:55:27,199 they are due. We are collecting them by 2804 01:55:27,199 --> 01:55:30,639 year end. So in that aspect they would 2805 01:55:30,639 --> 01:55:33,280 be considered technically outstanding 2806 01:55:33,280 --> 01:55:38,229 balances. 2807 01:55:38,239 --> 01:55:40,480 Does that satisfy your question, 2808 01:55:40,480 --> 01:55:41,119 counselor? 2809 01:55:41,119 --> 01:55:44,080 >> Uh, thank you for asking, Mayor Salin. 2810 01:55:44,080 --> 01:55:46,239 To me, it doesn't make sense. I wouldn't 2811 01:55:46,239 --> 01:55:48,480 call it a rears if we have a bonafide 2812 01:55:48,480 --> 01:55:49,599 plan and we're not the only 2813 01:55:49,599 --> 01:55:52,159 municipality, city of Kitchener. I mean, 2814 01:55:52,159 --> 01:55:54,639 throughout the province, uh, monthly 2815 01:55:54,639 --> 01:55:56,400 payment plans are a regular occurrence. 2816 01:55:56,400 --> 01:55:58,159 So, it doesn't make sense to call it a 2817 01:55:58,159 --> 01:56:01,360 rears from my point of view. 2818 01:56:01,360 --> 01:56:05,119 So maybe I would suggest 2819 01:56:05,119 --> 01:56:08,159 um and this could either be just 2820 01:56:08,159 --> 01:56:10,000 direction to staff or if somebody wanted 2821 01:56:10,000 --> 01:56:12,159 to formalize it, but maybe that staff 2822 01:56:12,159 --> 01:56:16,719 bring back a different language. Um I 2823 01:56:16,719 --> 01:56:18,159 would say I'm still interested 2824 01:56:18,159 --> 01:56:20,719 personally to know 2825 01:56:20,719 --> 01:56:22,320 um even if people are on a monthly 2826 01:56:22,320 --> 01:56:24,239 payment plan from the perspective of we 2827 01:56:24,239 --> 01:56:26,320 do collect actually the largest portion 2828 01:56:26,320 --> 01:56:28,000 of our taxes as we know go to the 2829 01:56:28,000 --> 01:56:30,239 region. We collect on their behalf. So 2830 01:56:30,239 --> 01:56:32,320 technically we are carrying as 2831 01:56:32,320 --> 01:56:34,000 supervisor Wound just noted we are 2832 01:56:34,000 --> 01:56:36,800 carrying um that cost and covering it 2833 01:56:36,800 --> 01:56:39,840 going to I'm not saying it's a bad 2834 01:56:39,840 --> 01:56:41,360 thing. I just think having that 2835 01:56:41,360 --> 01:56:43,679 information is a valid thing for us to 2836 01:56:43,679 --> 01:56:45,679 be aware of. But I don't disagree with 2837 01:56:45,679 --> 01:56:47,599 changing the terminology because I was 2838 01:56:47,599 --> 01:56:49,199 also a little shocked at first when I 2839 01:56:49,199 --> 01:56:51,760 read the report going wow that's a lot 2840 01:56:51,760 --> 01:56:55,679 of households um in our community. So 2841 01:56:55,679 --> 01:56:57,440 maybe if council's open to it, we could 2842 01:56:57,440 --> 01:57:00,080 ask um and I would look for staff 2843 01:57:00,080 --> 01:57:02,880 comment, but if staff could bring back 2844 01:57:02,880 --> 01:57:05,920 um enhanced language to better 2845 01:57:05,920 --> 01:57:08,719 articulate that and not have it as a 2846 01:57:08,719 --> 01:57:10,639 rears if people are on payment plans, 2847 01:57:10,639 --> 01:57:14,320 would that are there issues from council 2848 01:57:14,320 --> 01:57:17,679 on that? Councelor Sue, 2849 01:57:17,679 --> 01:57:20,800 >> a quick question before that. Um, so 2850 01:57:20,800 --> 01:57:23,440 we're paying our taxes to the region 2851 01:57:23,440 --> 01:57:27,040 quarterly, I believe. So, are we paying 2852 01:57:27,040 --> 01:57:29,040 any interest? Are we acrewing any 2853 01:57:29,040 --> 01:57:31,360 interest by paying the region and not 2854 01:57:31,360 --> 01:57:34,560 collecting our uh taxes from the 2855 01:57:34,560 --> 01:57:37,840 residents in the meantime? 2856 01:57:37,840 --> 01:57:40,639 I would turn to supervisor woon but I 2857 01:57:40,639 --> 01:57:43,440 know if people are in a rears the 2858 01:57:43,440 --> 01:57:45,760 township is the one who takes the hit 2859 01:57:45,760 --> 01:57:49,280 and we can charge I believe it's 15% 2860 01:57:49,280 --> 01:57:51,840 um is what the deal is and that's why 2861 01:57:51,840 --> 01:57:55,199 the region claims it's beneficial for us 2862 01:57:55,199 --> 01:57:58,960 um but we have to pay them outright 2863 01:57:58,960 --> 01:58:00,560 regardless of if we get paid but 2864 01:58:00,560 --> 01:58:02,400 supervisor woon if you have anything you 2865 01:58:02,400 --> 01:58:04,719 wanted to add to that 2866 01:58:04,719 --> 01:58:07,679 >> through you uh mayor Salon into council. 2867 01:58:07,679 --> 01:58:09,760 That is correct. We are still required 2868 01:58:09,760 --> 01:58:11,920 to remmit to the region. We remit 2869 01:58:11,920 --> 01:58:14,800 monthly. Um and we are still required to 2870 01:58:14,800 --> 01:58:16,400 remit to the school boards. That is 2871 01:58:16,400 --> 01:58:19,040 quarterly regardless of if we have 2872 01:58:19,040 --> 01:58:21,520 collected taxes that have been levied. 2873 01:58:21,520 --> 01:58:24,639 And yes, we do charge um penalty and 2874 01:58:24,639 --> 01:58:29,510 interest. It is 15% annually. 2875 01:58:29,520 --> 01:58:31,840 So just before we move on, did we want 2876 01:58:31,840 --> 01:58:33,840 to give direction to staff then to bring 2877 01:58:33,840 --> 01:58:36,320 back updated language for this report? 2878 01:58:36,320 --> 01:58:37,840 Councelor Wilkinson 2879 01:58:37,840 --> 01:58:41,280 >> through the chair. Um I'm not opposed to 2880 01:58:41,280 --> 01:58:43,199 it. Maybe there is a different way to 2881 01:58:43,199 --> 01:58:44,320 mention it if they are on a 2882 01:58:44,320 --> 01:58:45,920 pre-authorized payment, but ultimately I 2883 01:58:45,920 --> 01:58:48,239 think is this report is not one that 2884 01:58:48,239 --> 01:58:51,119 we've regularly seen over the term. Um, 2885 01:58:51,119 --> 01:58:53,760 but I think ultimately the the the truer 2886 01:58:53,760 --> 01:58:55,679 rears is the one that it presents itself 2887 01:58:55,679 --> 01:58:58,159 at the end of the tax collection cycle. 2888 01:58:58,159 --> 01:59:01,520 Um, so you know, I I mean I pay monthly 2889 01:59:01,520 --> 01:59:03,280 on a pre-authorized plan, so technically 2890 01:59:03,280 --> 01:59:05,760 I'd be in the same boat as council, but 2891 01:59:05,760 --> 01:59:07,520 uh I'm certainly not hearing about it or 2892 01:59:07,520 --> 01:59:09,199 seeing anything about it. So I mean I'm 2893 01:59:09,199 --> 01:59:14,800 not overly concerned. Um, but I think it it would be interesting to see what 2894 01:59:14,800 --> 01:59:16,159 this looks like at the end of the tax 2895 01:59:16,159 --> 01:59:18,480 collection cycle truly to see what the 2896 01:59:18,480 --> 01:59:20,400 real number is of who's in a rears and 2897 01:59:20,400 --> 01:59:22,400 then I don't know, but I also wouldn't 2898 01:59:22,400 --> 01:59:24,000 be opposed if there's a different way to 2899 01:59:24,000 --> 01:59:27,280 classify just this segment as in this 2900 01:59:27,280 --> 01:59:30,320 section. I'd be fine with that. 2901 01:59:30,320 --> 01:59:32,320 >> So, Supervisor Boon, I think you've been 2902 01:59:32,320 --> 01:59:33,840 following the conversation. Is that 2903 01:59:33,840 --> 01:59:35,280 something that you feel confident you 2904 01:59:35,280 --> 01:59:37,360 can bring back to council at a future 2905 01:59:37,360 --> 01:59:38,159 date? 2906 01:59:38,159 --> 01:59:40,080 >> Yes. uh through you mayor Sal and to 2907 01:59:40,080 --> 01:59:42,320 members of council. Yes, I can 2908 01:59:42,320 --> 01:59:43,920 absolutely understand your perspective 2909 01:59:43,920 --> 01:59:46,000 and I don't disagree. Um from my 2910 01:59:46,000 --> 01:59:48,239 understanding, this is the first report 2911 01:59:48,239 --> 01:59:50,480 of this types that has come forward to 2912 01:59:50,480 --> 01:59:54,000 this council and um I would hope it is 2913 01:59:54,000 --> 01:59:57,520 my intent to provide a year-end update 2914 01:59:57,520 --> 01:59:59,440 as well. It is something that we should 2915 01:59:59,440 --> 02:00:05,040 be reporting to council on ideally like 2916 02:00:05,040 --> 02:00:06,800 every 6 months, year end and then 2917 02:00:06,800 --> 02:00:08,960 partway through the year. And I do 2918 02:00:08,960 --> 02:00:11,599 anticipate that year end will be in a 2919 02:00:11,599 --> 02:00:14,159 very different situation. Um, but I 2920 02:00:14,159 --> 02:00:16,800 certainly can take your feedback, um, 2921 02:00:16,800 --> 02:00:18,719 address the the verbiage and the 2922 02:00:18,719 --> 02:00:21,679 language that's been used and also 2923 02:00:21,679 --> 02:00:23,440 rework what has been written to provide 2924 02:00:23,440 --> 02:00:26,960 you maybe a clearer, um, uh, update as 2925 02:00:26,960 --> 02:00:29,040 to what you're looking for. 2926 02:00:29,040 --> 02:00:31,280 >> Thank you very much. And we do have a 2927 02:00:31,280 --> 02:00:32,880 list, Councelor Stew, and then Council 2928 02:00:32,880 --> 02:00:34,320 Presman. 2929 02:00:34,320 --> 02:00:35,760 >> Thank you. Yeah, I just wanted to make a 2930 02:00:35,760 --> 02:00:38,800 comment. I would be in favor of uh, uh, 2931 02:00:38,800 --> 02:00:40,560 changing the language or the way we 2932 02:00:40,560 --> 02:00:43,679 report it out. um I know when you buy a 2933 02:00:43,679 --> 02:00:45,040 home you have the option of do you want 2934 02:00:45,040 --> 02:00:49,280 to do it quarterly, do it monthly. Um 2935 02:00:49,280 --> 02:00:51,040 just doesn't sit well with me. I I agree 2936 02:00:51,040 --> 02:00:53,599 with um councelor Martin that if you 2937 02:00:53,599 --> 02:00:55,679 have the option to do it monthly and 2938 02:00:55,679 --> 02:00:57,520 then you see this report and then you 2939 02:00:57,520 --> 02:00:59,199 see you're looped into a pool that says 2940 02:00:59,199 --> 02:01:01,679 technically you're in a rears. Um, so I 2941 02:01:01,679 --> 02:01:04,080 would be in favor of changing the 2942 02:01:04,080 --> 02:01:08,239 reporting so we can see that as uh it 2943 02:01:08,239 --> 02:01:11,040 was mentioned I think 2,000 homes are in 2944 02:01:11,040 --> 02:01:13,440 the pre-authorized. So the number looks 2945 02:01:13,440 --> 02:01:15,679 a lot more favorable. So we can actually 2946 02:01:15,679 --> 02:01:18,239 break it down and see that no they are 2947 02:01:18,239 --> 02:01:20,719 not technically in a rears but the 900 2948 02:01:20,719 --> 02:01:24,159 some homes are. So it makes the number 2949 02:01:24,159 --> 02:01:25,679 less staggering. I know when I looked at 2950 02:01:25,679 --> 02:01:26,960 it, I almost fell out of my chair to 2951 02:01:26,960 --> 02:01:29,119 think, "Holy moly, that's almost one 2952 02:01:29,119 --> 02:01:32,320 full ward worth of uh homes that are in 2953 02:01:32,320 --> 02:01:34,480 a rears." So, it is reassuring that it 2954 02:01:34,480 --> 02:01:36,960 isn't actually 2955 02:01:36,960 --> 02:01:39,280 at the moment in a rears, but uh I think 2956 02:01:39,280 --> 02:01:41,360 uh an enhanced language around the 2957 02:01:41,360 --> 02:01:44,000 reporting would be great. 2958 02:01:44,000 --> 02:01:46,320 >> Council Chrisman. 2959 02:01:46,320 --> 02:01:48,159 >> Yes, through you, Mayor. I think the 2960 02:01:48,159 --> 02:01:50,719 headline that two of the council members 2961 02:01:50,719 --> 02:01:53,360 of WA Township were interveners would be 2962 02:01:53,360 --> 02:01:56,080 the one I would be thinking would be 2963 02:01:56,080 --> 02:01:59,520 important to have. But that's just me 2964 02:01:59,520 --> 02:02:03,040 cuz I pay quarterly. [laughter] 2965 02:02:03,040 --> 02:02:04,639 But 2966 02:02:04,639 --> 02:02:09,040 uh the question I have uh is related to 2967 02:02:09,040 --> 02:02:12,719 the other end of the spectrum about uh 2968 02:02:12,719 --> 02:02:14,960 personal bankruptcies, 2969 02:02:14,960 --> 02:02:17,920 mortgage sales. Where do we stand in 2970 02:02:17,920 --> 02:02:22,239 line as a township in terms of residual 2971 02:02:22,239 --> 02:02:26,080 value in a home sale? Uh do we stand 2972 02:02:26,080 --> 02:02:29,840 behind the mortgage holder and we get 2973 02:02:29,840 --> 02:02:32,960 the sweeping so to speak or do we stand 2974 02:02:32,960 --> 02:02:38,239 ahead uh in terms of priority payment 2975 02:02:38,239 --> 02:02:41,040 >> through you mayor Salin to council? Um 2976 02:02:41,040 --> 02:02:44,639 yes, if a property was in tax arars and 2977 02:02:44,639 --> 02:02:46,400 ended up in a position of either 2978 02:02:46,400 --> 02:02:48,834 bankruptcy or um you know 2979 02:02:48,834 --> 02:02:49,840 [clears throat] the property was 2980 02:02:49,840 --> 02:02:51,679 repossessed through the bank, yes, 2981 02:02:51,679 --> 02:02:55,440 property taxes do um equate to a lean 2982 02:02:55,440 --> 02:02:58,159 and a rears would be paid out through 2983 02:02:58,159 --> 02:03:01,040 those processes. So it doesn't happen 2984 02:03:01,040 --> 02:03:03,199 very often that we receive bankruptcy 2985 02:03:03,199 --> 02:03:06,560 notice. Um but in the event that we do, 2986 02:03:06,560 --> 02:03:09,440 they are reviewed as received um to 2987 02:03:09,440 --> 02:03:11,760 ensure that our interest is identified 2988 02:03:11,760 --> 02:03:15,840 in those documents as well. 2989 02:03:15,840 --> 02:03:17,840 Any other questions or comments on this 2990 02:03:17,840 --> 02:03:20,000 council? 2991 02:03:20,000 --> 02:03:23,040 I did just have one question. Um, in 2992 02:03:23,040 --> 02:03:25,520 terms of if we do unfortunately get to 2993 02:03:25,520 --> 02:03:30,159 the stage of tax sales. Um, 2994 02:03:30,159 --> 02:03:33,360 this council did have one almost tax 2995 02:03:33,360 --> 02:03:36,719 sale I think early on in our time. Um, 2996 02:03:36,719 --> 02:03:39,360 but it was brought forward to council. I 2997 02:03:39,360 --> 02:03:40,960 think it was the week before it was 2998 02:03:40,960 --> 02:03:44,400 supposed to go um on sale. And so at 2999 02:03:44,400 --> 02:03:47,040 that point, the property was actually 3000 02:03:47,040 --> 02:03:48,639 identified 3001 02:03:48,639 --> 02:03:50,880 um to council and it actually resulted 3002 02:03:50,880 --> 02:03:53,199 in a good news story in that somebody 3003 02:03:53,199 --> 02:03:55,440 watched the council meeting, contacted a 3004 02:03:55,440 --> 02:03:57,760 family member of the property owner and 3005 02:03:57,760 --> 02:03:59,520 their riggers were addressed and the 3006 02:03:59,520 --> 02:04:01,360 property was able to be kept. To me, 3007 02:04:01,360 --> 02:04:02,800 that's a good news story. I don't want 3008 02:04:02,800 --> 02:04:04,800 to see us having to sell properties for 3009 02:04:04,800 --> 02:04:07,760 taxes. Um, so I guess I'm just curious 3010 02:04:07,760 --> 02:04:10,400 going forward recognizing that we've had 3011 02:04:10,400 --> 02:04:13,040 a different shift in the financial 3012 02:04:13,040 --> 02:04:16,159 department and um, to your point, this 3013 02:04:16,159 --> 02:04:17,679 is the first time we've really seen a 3014 02:04:17,679 --> 02:04:19,599 comprehensive report even on this, which 3015 02:04:19,599 --> 02:04:21,920 I think is great. But yeah, I guess I 3016 02:04:21,920 --> 02:04:23,440 want to understand what does that look 3017 02:04:23,440 --> 02:04:25,360 like going forward if that process were 3018 02:04:25,360 --> 02:04:26,960 to happen with any of the properties 3019 02:04:26,960 --> 02:04:29,119 you've identified? 3020 02:04:29,119 --> 02:04:31,440 >> Uh, through or to you, Mayor Salin, and 3021 02:04:31,440 --> 02:04:33,840 to council. Um so [clears throat] 3022 02:04:33,840 --> 02:04:36,239 currently I am working diligently with 3023 02:04:36,239 --> 02:04:39,360 property owners to try to find ways to 3024 02:04:39,360 --> 02:04:42,639 avoid moving forward in the process. Um 3025 02:04:42,639 --> 02:04:44,800 we have about a week left for property 3026 02:04:44,800 --> 02:04:46,800 owners to still make arrangements with 3027 02:04:46,800 --> 02:04:49,360 the municipality and I think you know 3028 02:04:49,360 --> 02:04:51,280 the fact that we've seen 22 property 3029 02:04:51,280 --> 02:04:54,719 owners come forward so far is is great. 3030 02:04:54,719 --> 02:04:57,599 Um, in the event that a property owner 3031 02:04:57,599 --> 02:05:00,480 was not able to satisfy one of the 3032 02:05:00,480 --> 02:05:03,440 options available, uh, a tax or rear 3033 02:05:03,440 --> 02:05:05,199 certificate would be registered against 3034 02:05:05,199 --> 02:05:07,040 the property. That would likely be 3035 02:05:07,040 --> 02:05:09,520 happening end of September, early 3036 02:05:09,520 --> 02:05:11,840 October. And from that date of 3037 02:05:11,840 --> 02:05:14,159 registration, property owners have a 3038 02:05:14,159 --> 02:05:17,440 1-year cancellation period in which they 3039 02:05:17,440 --> 02:05:21,599 can pay the sum of all aars to cancel 3040 02:05:21,599 --> 02:05:24,880 the tax sale process entirely. Um if the 3041 02:05:24,880 --> 02:05:26,800 arars are not paid within that one-year 3042 02:05:26,800 --> 02:05:28,800 cancellation period, we would would be 3043 02:05:28,800 --> 02:05:30,719 moving forward to the next phase which 3044 02:05:30,719 --> 02:05:35,199 would be um public tender and um the 3045 02:05:35,199 --> 02:05:37,840 process is is long. There's 3046 02:05:37,840 --> 02:05:40,000 advertisement requirements, deadlines, 3047 02:05:40,000 --> 02:05:41,760 but uh [clears throat] property owners 3048 02:05:41,760 --> 02:05:43,599 would realistically be looking about a 3049 02:05:43,599 --> 02:05:46,159 year and a half out from now, maybe even 3050 02:05:46,159 --> 02:05:48,480 a little bit longer before it came to 3051 02:05:48,480 --> 02:05:50,080 the point where a property was listed 3052 02:05:50,080 --> 02:05:53,040 for for public sale. 3053 02:05:53,040 --> 02:05:55,599 >> Okay. Thank you. Any other questions or 3054 02:05:55,599 --> 02:05:57,360 comments on this report? Again, it's 3055 02:05:57,360 --> 02:05:59,599 just for information this evening. All 3056 02:05:59,599 --> 02:06:02,239 those in favor and that carries 3057 02:06:02,239 --> 02:06:03,760 unanimously. 3058 02:06:03,760 --> 02:06:07,440 On to uh 14.11 3059 02:06:07,440 --> 02:06:09,599 and this is the Ontario Community 3060 02:06:09,599 --> 02:06:12,159 Infrastructure Funding Advocacy Beyond 3061 02:06:12,159 --> 02:06:15,599 2026 report. The recommendation is that 3062 02:06:15,599 --> 02:06:17,679 we receive this report for information 3063 02:06:17,679 --> 02:06:20,000 and that council endorses the resolution 3064 02:06:20,000 --> 02:06:22,560 supporting MFOA's letter to the Ministry 3065 02:06:22,560 --> 02:06:24,719 of Infrastructure and requesting the 3066 02:06:24,719 --> 02:06:26,320 province maintain the current enhanced 3067 02:06:26,320 --> 02:06:28,719 OSF funding level beyond the 2026 3068 02:06:28,719 --> 02:06:31,119 allocation year and that council direct 3069 02:06:31,119 --> 02:06:33,360 staff to forward the endorsed resolution 3070 02:06:33,360 --> 02:06:35,440 to the Minister of Infrastructure, the 3071 02:06:35,440 --> 02:06:36,719 Minister of Municipal Affairs and 3072 02:06:36,719 --> 02:06:38,560 Housing, the Minister of Finance, the 3073 02:06:38,560 --> 02:06:41,599 Minister of Finance Officers Associates 3074 02:06:41,599 --> 02:06:45,280 of Ontario and the Association of 3075 02:06:45,280 --> 02:06:47,440 Municipalities of Ontario, the Local 3076 02:06:47,440 --> 02:06:49,520 Member of Provincial Parliament, and any 3077 02:06:49,520 --> 02:06:51,599 other parties deemed appropriate to get 3078 02:06:51,599 --> 02:06:53,040 this on the floor. May I have a mover? 3079 02:06:53,040 --> 02:06:54,800 Moved by Councelor Wilkinson, seconded 3080 02:06:54,800 --> 02:06:57,440 by Councelor Martin, and I will invite 3081 02:06:57,440 --> 02:06:59,119 our treasurer, Tracy Prince, to 3082 02:06:59,119 --> 02:07:02,159 introduce this report. 3083 02:07:02,159 --> 02:07:04,480 >> Good evening, uh, Mayor and Counselors. 3084 02:07:04,480 --> 02:07:06,480 Um so the report in front of you is 3085 02:07:06,480 --> 02:07:09,360 really just to support the advocacy of 3086 02:07:09,360 --> 02:07:10,880 MFOA 3087 02:07:10,880 --> 02:07:13,040 uh to the province to continue the 3088 02:07:13,040 --> 02:07:16,960 increased increased um 3089 02:07:16,960 --> 02:07:21,599 in the increase introduced in 2022 and 3090 02:07:21,599 --> 02:07:25,920 beyond. So it ends the end of 2026 and 3091 02:07:25,920 --> 02:07:29,040 if it's decreased OSA funding for next 3092 02:07:29,040 --> 02:07:31,199 fiscal year it could result in about a 3093 02:07:31,199 --> 02:07:34,079 4.67% six 7% increase on the tax levy 3094 02:07:34,079 --> 02:07:37,760 just to make up that portion of it. Um 3095 02:07:37,760 --> 02:07:40,239 and then or it looks at or we'd be 3096 02:07:40,239 --> 02:07:42,639 looking at further reducing potential 3097 02:07:42,639 --> 02:07:50,550 capital investment to offset that loss. 3098 02:07:50,560 --> 02:07:53,440 » Okay. Thank you. Are there questions? 3099 02:07:53,440 --> 02:07:55,679 Councelor Wilkinson. 3100 02:07:55,679 --> 02:07:58,639 >> Thank you through the chair. Um, 3101 02:07:58,639 --> 02:08:00,480 more comment, maybe a question in there, 3102 02:08:00,480 --> 02:08:03,679 but I think obviously it it's uh it 3103 02:08:03,679 --> 02:08:05,760 makes sense to to sign on to this 3104 02:08:05,760 --> 02:08:08,239 advocacy and send uh the message uh 3105 02:08:08,239 --> 02:08:10,639 upward in hopes that we can continue to 3106 02:08:10,639 --> 02:08:11,920 see this investment in our 3107 02:08:11,920 --> 02:08:14,400 infrastructure specifically uh given 3108 02:08:14,400 --> 02:08:17,119 that we have uh quite a bit to address. 3109 02:08:17,119 --> 02:08:20,320 Um, you know, the one concern is hearing 3110 02:08:20,320 --> 02:08:24,079 that it would result in a 4.67 uh levy 3111 02:08:24,079 --> 02:08:26,000 increase. I don't necessarily share the 3112 02:08:26,000 --> 02:08:28,400 same perspective. I think my hope would 3113 02:08:28,400 --> 02:08:30,960 be that when we are looking at our 3114 02:08:30,960 --> 02:08:33,440 10-year capital plans uh that there 3115 02:08:33,440 --> 02:08:35,679 might be multiple options and that could 3116 02:08:35,679 --> 02:08:39,520 be one where it's maintained, one where 3117 02:08:39,520 --> 02:08:43,280 maybe it looks at uh a 2% increase uh or 3118 02:08:43,280 --> 02:08:48,880 one that um potentially spreads out the spending that was taking place over 3119 02:08:48,880 --> 02:08:52,560 the course of time. those to avoid uh a 3120 02:08:52,560 --> 02:08:55,199 rather large increase um just related to 3121 02:08:55,199 --> 02:08:56,480 the loss of this funding. I mean, we 3122 02:08:56,480 --> 02:08:57,920 knew that it had an end date. So, the 3123 02:08:57,920 --> 02:08:59,360 hope is is that we would hopefully plan 3124 02:08:59,360 --> 02:09:04,079 for that. Um but that would just be my sort of brief comment as we head into 3125 02:09:04,079 --> 02:09:07,840 budget season. Um you know, I I guess we 3126 02:09:07,840 --> 02:09:09,440 should probably anticipate that this is 3127 02:09:09,440 --> 02:09:11,040 gone and then spread out the spending 3128 02:09:11,040 --> 02:09:13,040 appropriately. But that's all I would 3129 02:09:13,040 --> 02:09:15,760 say on it. 3130 02:09:15,760 --> 02:09:18,159 >> Any other questions or comments? Council 3131 02:09:18,159 --> 02:09:20,560 Densall. Thank you to you, mayor. The 3132 02:09:20,560 --> 02:09:22,079 $736,000 3133 02:09:22,079 --> 02:09:24,320 shortfall, which is what we've been used 3134 02:09:24,320 --> 02:09:25,599 to getting in addition to what we're 3135 02:09:25,599 --> 02:09:28,320 used to get. Uh, Director Vanderwal, 3136 02:09:28,320 --> 02:09:30,560 when you when we are looking at our 3137 02:09:30,560 --> 02:09:33,199 infrastructure projects um for next 3138 02:09:33,199 --> 02:09:38,079 year, has have you planned um those uh 3139 02:09:38,079 --> 02:09:41,360 that spend based on what we were 3140 02:09:41,360 --> 02:09:46,229 receiving 3141 02:09:46,239 --> 02:09:48,400 » uh through the mayor? Yes, we would be 3142 02:09:48,400 --> 02:09:51,760 anticipating similar spending with minor 3143 02:09:51,760 --> 02:09:53,679 increases to keep up with our 3144 02:09:53,679 --> 02:10:00,310 infrastructure deficit as we have. 3145 02:10:00,320 --> 02:10:04,400 » Any other questions or comments? 3146 02:10:04,400 --> 02:10:07,440 >> Okay. Um I just wanted to say uh thank 3147 02:10:07,440 --> 02:10:09,040 you very much Treasurer Prince for 3148 02:10:09,040 --> 02:10:12,719 bringing this forward. Um one positive 3149 02:10:12,719 --> 02:10:13,840 thing is we are not the only 3150 02:10:13,840 --> 02:10:17,440 municipality in this boat. Um, and AMO 3151 02:10:17,440 --> 02:10:19,840 and Roma are continuing to advocate as 3152 02:10:19,840 --> 02:10:22,079 well as when uh, councelor Cresman and I 3153 02:10:22,079 --> 02:10:24,320 were up in Ottawa last week at AMO. I 3154 02:10:24,320 --> 02:10:26,639 did have some conversations with uh, the 3155 02:10:26,639 --> 02:10:28,000 Minister of Municipal Affairs and 3156 02:10:28,000 --> 02:10:29,760 Housing in particular on this as well as 3157 02:10:29,760 --> 02:10:32,320 the Minister of Finance. Um, have had 3158 02:10:32,320 --> 02:10:35,440 other conversations with his team about 3159 02:10:35,440 --> 02:10:37,599 this and 3160 02:10:37,599 --> 02:10:39,760 what they are currently saying, but take 3161 02:10:39,760 --> 02:10:41,199 it with a grain of salt because I have 3162 02:10:41,199 --> 02:10:43,760 yet to see anything in writing. Um but 3163 02:10:43,760 --> 02:10:45,520 currently they are stating that they are 3164 02:10:45,520 --> 02:10:47,679 well aware of this and it is something 3165 02:10:47,679 --> 02:10:51,119 that they are um hoping to look to make 3166 02:10:51,119 --> 02:10:54,480 municipalities whole. Again, not holding 3167 02:10:54,480 --> 02:10:56,079 my breath because they've also said that 3168 02:10:56,079 --> 02:10:58,800 we'll be made whole on other funding. Um 3169 02:10:58,800 --> 02:11:01,440 but I do appreciate you bringing this uh 3170 02:11:01,440 --> 02:11:04,000 forward and I do believe that this is a 3171 02:11:04,000 --> 02:11:06,239 part of the long-term financial planning 3172 02:11:06,239 --> 02:11:08,800 works that uh will be coming forward in 3173 02:11:08,800 --> 02:11:10,960 the budget for the next council as well. 3174 02:11:10,960 --> 02:11:14,000 Um so with that again this is to receive 3175 02:11:14,000 --> 02:11:16,079 for information tonight to endorse a 3176 02:11:16,079 --> 02:11:18,239 resolution supporting MFOA's letter and 3177 02:11:18,239 --> 02:11:20,800 then to circulate to uh the appropriate 3178 02:11:20,800 --> 02:11:23,520 parties. I will call the vote all those 3179 02:11:23,520 --> 02:11:27,840 in favor and that carries unanimously. 3180 02:11:27,840 --> 02:11:31,199 Uh on to our bylaws for this evening and 3181 02:11:31,199 --> 02:11:33,040 the recommendation is that they be read 3182 02:11:33,040 --> 02:11:34,639 a first, second and third time and 3183 02:11:34,639 --> 02:11:36,639 finally passed an open council. I would 3184 02:11:36,639 --> 02:11:39,119 look for a mover. 3185 02:11:39,119 --> 02:11:41,040 Moved by councelor Martin, seconded by 3186 02:11:41,040 --> 02:11:44,400 councelor Chrisman. And all those in 3187 02:11:44,400 --> 02:11:48,239 favor. And that carries unanimously. Um 3188 02:11:48,239 --> 02:11:50,320 I am going to turn it over to councelor 3189 02:11:50,320 --> 02:11:52,079 Wilkinson to chair while I introduce my 3190 02:11:52,079 --> 02:11:56,390 motion. 3191 02:11:56,400 --> 02:12:01,360 » Uh so we move to notices of motions. 3192 02:12:01,360 --> 02:12:06,800 Um, I will call on Mayor Stalin to bring 3193 02:12:06,800 --> 02:12:09,440 forward her notice of motion, please. 3194 02:12:09,440 --> 02:12:11,679 >> Thank you. Um, so this notice of motion 3195 02:12:11,679 --> 02:12:13,679 council's had for a while now because it 3196 02:12:13,679 --> 02:12:16,239 was originally on our July never ending 3197 02:12:16,239 --> 02:12:20,480 council meeting. Um, but really what I'm 3198 02:12:20,480 --> 02:12:23,199 why I'm bringing this forward is noting 3199 02:12:23,199 --> 02:12:26,079 that we have a lot of amazing local 3200 02:12:26,079 --> 02:12:28,800 businesses in our community, including 3201 02:12:28,800 --> 02:12:30,639 agricultural operations that are 3202 02:12:30,639 --> 02:12:34,320 essential to our economic um vitality 3203 02:12:34,320 --> 02:12:35,760 really of our community. And I think 3204 02:12:35,760 --> 02:12:38,079 it's important to note the great things 3205 02:12:38,079 --> 02:12:40,159 that are going on. Um, some other 3206 02:12:40,159 --> 02:12:42,719 municipalities do have recognition 3207 02:12:42,719 --> 02:12:45,440 programs and I'm really just hoping that 3208 02:12:45,440 --> 02:12:49,040 council uh ask staff or direct staff to 3209 02:12:49,040 --> 02:12:50,800 prepare a framework for business 3210 02:12:50,800 --> 02:12:53,119 appreciation program. Uh, this would 3211 02:12:53,119 --> 02:12:54,880 include eligibility criteria and 3212 02:12:54,880 --> 02:12:57,119 nomination processes and recognition 3213 02:12:57,119 --> 02:12:59,360 methods. I'm not looking for this to be 3214 02:12:59,360 --> 02:13:03,679 a makework project or a financial um 3215 02:13:03,679 --> 02:13:05,599 implication. I'm really looking for it 3216 02:13:05,599 --> 02:13:07,599 to be more of a good news opportunity 3217 02:13:07,599 --> 02:13:10,560 and a way to acknowledge um our local 3218 02:13:10,560 --> 02:13:13,360 businesses. Right now, we do things like 3219 02:13:13,360 --> 02:13:16,400 produce scrolls um of recognition for 3220 02:13:16,400 --> 02:13:19,360 businesses, but it's really on a request 3221 02:13:19,360 --> 02:13:21,040 basis and they would even need to know 3222 02:13:21,040 --> 02:13:23,280 that that exists. I think this takes a 3223 02:13:23,280 --> 02:13:26,159 more proactive approach and is a good 3224 02:13:26,159 --> 02:13:29,199 community building opportunity. Um, but 3225 02:13:29,199 --> 02:13:31,520 like I said, not looking for it to be a 3226 02:13:31,520 --> 02:13:35,199 make work or um add any cost. So, I'm 3227 02:13:35,199 --> 02:13:37,920 not looking for compensation or getting 3228 02:13:37,920 --> 02:13:39,760 into making big plaques or anything 3229 02:13:39,760 --> 02:13:41,199 really. Uh, just looking for an 3230 02:13:41,199 --> 02:13:42,800 opportunity to celebrate the great 3231 02:13:42,800 --> 02:13:45,679 businesses that make uh Wilmont a 3232 02:13:45,679 --> 02:13:47,679 fantastic place to live and work. So, 3233 02:13:47,679 --> 02:13:51,280 I'd be looking for a seconder. Um, 3234 02:13:51,280 --> 02:13:54,960 I think councelor Dunstall there, but uh 3235 02:13:54,960 --> 02:13:56,880 I'll turn it back to the chair. Seconded 3236 02:13:56,880 --> 02:13:59,360 by councelor Dunstall. Uh there any 3237 02:13:59,360 --> 02:14:04,390 questions for Mayor Sal on this 3238 02:14:04,400 --> 02:14:06,960 or councelor Dunstall. 3239 02:14:06,960 --> 02:14:09,760 >> Thank you through you 3240 02:14:09,760 --> 02:14:13,040 chair. Um the only comment I have is 3241 02:14:13,040 --> 02:14:14,320 that I'm really upset that I didn't 3242 02:14:14,320 --> 02:14:17,599 think of this. Um and I support it 3243 02:14:17,599 --> 02:14:22,470 wholeheartedly. 3244 02:14:22,480 --> 02:14:25,440 » Councilman. 3245 02:14:25,440 --> 02:14:30,000 Yes. Uh just uh through you chair. Um 3246 02:14:30,000 --> 02:14:32,719 the question I had was is there a time 3247 02:14:32,719 --> 02:14:35,440 of year you would like to see this uh 3248 02:14:35,440 --> 02:14:40,310 award be made? 3249 02:14:40,320 --> 02:14:43,360 » Thank you through you chair. Um 3250 02:14:43,360 --> 02:14:45,280 so I'll be honest what brought on the 3251 02:14:45,280 --> 02:14:47,119 thinking about it was the citizen of the 3252 02:14:47,119 --> 02:14:50,320 year awards which are at the fall fair. 3253 02:14:50,320 --> 02:14:54,239 Um so every September. However, I am 3254 02:14:54,239 --> 02:14:58,800 open to um really what staff find or if 3255 02:14:58,800 --> 02:15:00,560 council or the community has a 3256 02:15:00,560 --> 02:15:03,040 particular um interest. There are some 3257 02:15:03,040 --> 02:15:05,199 communities, for example, that every 3258 02:15:05,199 --> 02:15:08,400 month in their council meeting recognize 3259 02:15:08,400 --> 02:15:12,079 um a local business. Some municipalities 3260 02:15:12,079 --> 02:15:14,639 um do it per ward. So, each counselor 3261 02:15:14,639 --> 02:15:17,440 gets to bring forward and propose. So, I 3262 02:15:17,440 --> 02:15:20,800 don't have a set defined um idea. I 3263 02:15:20,800 --> 02:15:22,800 really just more so want to get some 3264 02:15:22,800 --> 02:15:24,560 framework and understand what could be 3265 02:15:24,560 --> 02:15:29,270 feasible and will want. 3266 02:15:29,280 --> 02:15:31,840 » Any additional questions? 3267 02:15:31,840 --> 02:15:34,239 Okay. So, calling the vote all those in 3268 02:15:34,239 --> 02:15:36,239 favor 3269 02:15:36,239 --> 02:15:39,119 and that carries unanimously and I will 3270 02:15:39,119 --> 02:15:42,320 uh see the chair back to Mayor Sullivan. 3271 02:15:42,320 --> 02:15:44,560 >> Thank you very much, Councelor 3272 02:15:44,560 --> 02:15:48,960 Wilkinson. Um on to we do have another 3273 02:15:48,960 --> 02:15:51,199 uh notice of motion in front of us from 3274 02:15:51,199 --> 02:15:53,760 councelor Crestman. It would require a 3275 02:15:53,760 --> 02:15:55,520 twothirds vote of councel to be 3276 02:15:55,520 --> 02:15:58,159 entertained. So um I'm assuming 3277 02:15:58,159 --> 02:16:00,159 councelor Cresman's going to move waving 3278 02:16:00,159 --> 02:16:03,040 the notice of motion seconded by 3279 02:16:03,040 --> 02:16:06,480 councelor Wilkinson. Uh so this vote is 3280 02:16:06,480 --> 02:16:08,000 just on waving notice and then I'll let 3281 02:16:08,000 --> 02:16:10,480 councelor Cresman speak if the notice is 3282 02:16:10,480 --> 02:16:12,960 waved. So all those in favor that 3283 02:16:12,960 --> 02:16:15,040 carries unanimously. I will now turn it 3284 02:16:15,040 --> 02:16:16,639 over to councelor Cresman to introduce 3285 02:16:16,639 --> 02:16:19,920 his motion. 3286 02:16:19,920 --> 02:16:24,639 >> So, um, this motion, uh, is a result of, 3287 02:16:24,639 --> 02:16:27,199 uh, what happened in Mannheim on August 3288 02:16:27,199 --> 02:16:30,000 8th and 9th. I was brought to my 3289 02:16:30,000 --> 02:16:33,679 attention on the 9th at about 4:30 in 3290 02:16:33,679 --> 02:16:37,760 the afternoon of uh, issues happening in 3291 02:16:37,760 --> 02:16:40,800 Mannheim. So I will go through the 3292 02:16:40,800 --> 02:16:43,760 whereases here. Whereas the township uh 3293 02:16:43,760 --> 02:16:45,920 received more than a dozen noise 3294 02:16:45,920 --> 02:16:48,559 complaints related to an unsanctioned 3295 02:16:48,559 --> 02:16:50,399 event that occurred on Ble Road in 3296 02:16:50,399 --> 02:16:53,760 Manheim area on August 8 and 9. And 3297 02:16:53,760 --> 02:16:55,359 whereas the incident highlighted 3298 02:16:55,359 --> 02:16:57,920 concerns regarding the township's 3299 02:16:57,920 --> 02:17:01,439 ability to respond to noise complaints 3300 02:17:01,439 --> 02:17:03,519 occurring during week nights and 3301 02:17:03,519 --> 02:17:07,040 weekends when regular bylaw enforcement 3302 02:17:07,040 --> 02:17:09,920 services are not provided. And whereas 3303 02:17:09,920 --> 02:17:13,120 the township current noise by bylaw only 3304 02:17:13,120 --> 02:17:16,160 is applicable between the hours of 11:00 3305 02:17:16,160 --> 02:17:18,559 p.m. and 8:00 a.m. limiting the 3306 02:17:18,559 --> 02:17:21,439 township's ability. And I would say as 3307 02:17:21,439 --> 02:17:24,479 well Waterlue Regional Police Services's 3308 02:17:24,479 --> 02:17:27,854 ability to address certain noise 3309 02:17:27,854 --> 02:17:29,679 [clears throat] related complaints 3310 02:17:29,679 --> 02:17:32,160 occurring outside of those hours. And 3311 02:17:32,160 --> 02:17:35,679 whereas uh residents have expressed 3312 02:17:35,679 --> 02:17:39,599 concerns regarding both the hours 3313 02:17:39,599 --> 02:17:42,160 which the noise bylaw applies and the 3314 02:17:42,160 --> 02:17:45,200 township's ability to respond to noise 3315 02:17:45,200 --> 02:17:47,599 complaints when they occur out of 3316 02:17:47,599 --> 02:17:51,200 outside of regular uh business or bylaw 3317 02:17:51,200 --> 02:17:53,519 enforcement hours. Therefore, be it 3318 02:17:53,519 --> 02:17:58,800 resolved to that a uh to investigate 3319 02:17:58,800 --> 02:18:01,359 staff to investigate and report back to 3320 02:18:01,359 --> 02:18:04,639 council on options and alternative for 3321 02:18:04,639 --> 02:18:08,080 providing uh bylaw enforcement to noise 3322 02:18:08,080 --> 02:18:11,040 complaints during weekends during week 3323 02:18:11,040 --> 02:18:15,920 nights and weekends in con including 3324 02:18:15,920 --> 02:18:18,639 potential service delivery models 3325 02:18:18,639 --> 02:18:21,359 in-house or contracted 3326 02:18:21,359 --> 02:18:24,240 uh response protocols with the Waterl 3327 02:18:24,240 --> 02:18:26,880 Regional Police Service Services and 3328 02:18:26,880 --> 02:18:30,240 associated costs. And B, that staff 3329 02:18:30,240 --> 02:18:33,120 review the township's noise bylaw and 3330 02:18:33,120 --> 02:18:35,519 report back to council with options for 3331 02:18:35,519 --> 02:18:37,840 amendments that would provide the 3332 02:18:37,840 --> 02:18:40,319 township with the ability to regulate 3333 02:18:40,319 --> 02:18:41,840 unreasonable 3334 02:18:41,840 --> 02:18:45,040 noise throughout the day and evening. 3335 02:18:45,040 --> 02:18:49,120 and C that as part of the staff review 3336 02:18:49,120 --> 02:18:52,000 the noise bylaws and enforcement 3337 02:18:52,000 --> 02:18:55,599 practices of neighboring municipalities 3338 02:18:55,599 --> 02:18:59,040 to identify best practices and provide 3339 02:18:59,040 --> 02:19:02,160 recommendations for potential amendments 3340 02:19:02,160 --> 02:19:06,399 to the township's uh noise bylaw and 3341 02:19:06,399 --> 02:19:09,840 enforcement approach and that a report 3342 02:19:09,840 --> 02:19:14,719 uh to council no later than Q1 of 2020 3343 02:19:14,719 --> 02:19:18,559 27. So I'm I guess I I'd look to move 3344 02:19:18,559 --> 02:19:20,479 that and 3345 02:19:20,479 --> 02:19:23,120 >> councelor Wilkinson is seconding. 3346 02:19:23,120 --> 02:19:24,399 Councelor Wilkinson, did you want to 3347 02:19:24,399 --> 02:19:28,000 speak it as speak to it as a seconder 3348 02:19:28,000 --> 02:19:30,559 >> through the chair? Uh I I I like the 3349 02:19:30,559 --> 02:19:32,080 spirit of this and and where councelor 3350 02:19:32,080 --> 02:19:34,719 Cresman is going. Um, this is something 3351 02:19:34,719 --> 02:19:36,800 I've heard and and even in just having 3352 02:19:36,800 --> 02:19:40,479 discussions um with our bylaw 3353 02:19:40,479 --> 02:19:41,920 department. I think there's one thing 3354 02:19:41,920 --> 02:19:44,080 that I'd like to see even uh in addition 3355 02:19:44,080 --> 02:19:45,599 to this while they're they're looking, 3356 02:19:45,599 --> 02:19:47,040 not that we need to make an amendment to 3357 02:19:47,040 --> 02:19:50,560 it, but um we as I've become aware do 3358 02:19:50,560 --> 02:19:53,920 not have the tools to even measure noise 3359 02:19:53,920 --> 02:19:56,720 um which is of concern. So I hope that 3360 02:19:56,720 --> 02:19:59,439 we can uh in addition to this look at 3361 02:19:59,439 --> 02:20:00,720 making sure that we acquire the 3362 02:20:00,720 --> 02:20:06,230 equipment in order to uh measure 3363 02:20:06,240 --> 02:20:08,319 » uh councelor Cresman. 3364 02:20:08,319 --> 02:20:12,960 >> Yes. Uh I responded on the uh Sunday the 3365 02:20:12,960 --> 02:20:17,200 9th was informed that this has happened 3366 02:20:17,200 --> 02:20:20,000 uh on subsequent occasions in previous 3367 02:20:20,000 --> 02:20:23,280 years. Only this year uh it went all 3368 02:20:23,280 --> 02:20:26,800 night. previous years it stopped at 11. 3369 02:20:26,800 --> 02:20:29,840 Uh certainly we as the township hadn't 3370 02:20:29,840 --> 02:20:32,160 been informed of previous year 3371 02:20:32,160 --> 02:20:37,600 complaints. Um I actually uh sat in the 3372 02:20:37,600 --> 02:20:41,040 li in the kitchen of uh an individual I 3373 02:20:41,040 --> 02:20:42,880 knew right across the road from where 3374 02:20:42,880 --> 02:20:45,520 this was all happening. Uh people were 3375 02:20:45,520 --> 02:20:47,920 walking in from Kitchener or that 3376 02:20:47,920 --> 02:20:51,439 direction and walking up the driveway. 3377 02:20:51,439 --> 02:20:57,120 Um and uh the police uh responded after 3378 02:20:57,120 --> 02:21:00,080 they received numerous complaints. Uh 3379 02:21:00,080 --> 02:21:04,560 the police officer uh was um very 3380 02:21:04,560 --> 02:21:08,319 responsive. He went in on site and said, 3381 02:21:08,319 --> 02:21:11,920 "Uh, I can't do anything now, but if 3382 02:21:11,920 --> 02:21:16,160 this goes on beyond 10:30," he gave that 3383 02:21:16,160 --> 02:21:18,800 as a line in the sand, knowing that 3384 02:21:18,800 --> 02:21:22,960 11:00 was the only time that he could he 3385 02:21:22,960 --> 02:21:26,000 could do anything. Uh, you will receive 3386 02:21:26,000 --> 02:21:29,760 a fine for every minute the noise is is 3387 02:21:29,760 --> 02:21:34,080 beyond uh 11. But he was very concerned 3388 02:21:34,080 --> 02:21:36,399 with the number of residents that were 3389 02:21:36,399 --> 02:21:42,399 so upset after two nights of this and uh 3390 02:21:42,399 --> 02:21:45,359 restarting at 3 in the afternoon on 3391 02:21:45,359 --> 02:21:49,439 Sunday that he was expressing concern 3392 02:21:49,439 --> 02:21:51,920 that residents would not try to walk up 3393 02:21:51,920 --> 02:21:54,319 the driveway because they didn't know 3394 02:21:54,319 --> 02:21:56,800 what reception they would receive from 3395 02:21:56,800 --> 02:21:59,359 what was happening. People were camping 3396 02:21:59,359 --> 02:22:03,359 out in the adjoining fields. Uh wheat 3397 02:22:03,359 --> 02:22:05,840 had been harvested, wheat stubble was 3398 02:22:05,840 --> 02:22:09,359 there, people were camping. Um so 3399 02:22:09,359 --> 02:22:12,319 regardless to say uh there was a lot of 3400 02:22:12,319 --> 02:22:17,120 upset residents and uh I see this as an 3401 02:22:17,120 --> 02:22:20,720 important initiative uh to indicate that 3402 02:22:20,720 --> 02:22:23,040 we're addressing and that we're going to 3403 02:22:23,040 --> 02:22:26,720 have something uh that will ensure not 3404 02:22:26,720 --> 02:22:29,840 just this but other situations can be 3405 02:22:29,840 --> 02:22:33,359 addressed into the future. 3406 02:22:33,359 --> 02:22:36,560 >> Any other questions or comments on this? 3407 02:22:36,560 --> 02:22:39,920 All right. Um, seeing none, I would just 3408 02:22:39,920 --> 02:22:41,680 say thank you counselor for bringing 3409 02:22:41,680 --> 02:22:43,840 this forward because uh I don't know if 3410 02:22:43,840 --> 02:22:45,600 I got as many complaints as you, but I 3411 02:22:45,600 --> 02:22:47,600 know that I did as well. And I 3412 02:22:47,600 --> 02:22:49,280 appreciate that we're looking to close 3413 02:22:49,280 --> 02:22:52,560 the gap on uh this service that we 3414 02:22:52,560 --> 02:22:54,880 didn't quite realize was a problem. Um, 3415 02:22:54,880 --> 02:22:56,720 and hopefully that will make residents 3416 02:22:56,720 --> 02:22:59,200 pleased as we go forward and give bylaw 3417 02:22:59,200 --> 02:23:02,080 and our WRPS uh the opportunity to 3418 02:23:02,080 --> 02:23:04,479 actually enforce what we have in place. 3419 02:23:04,479 --> 02:23:06,080 Uh, with that, I will call the vote. All 3420 02:23:06,080 --> 02:23:08,080 those in favor and that carries 3421 02:23:08,080 --> 02:23:11,840 unanimously. Uh for announcements, I do 3422 02:23:11,840 --> 02:23:14,960 have a few. I wanted to note uh the New 3423 02:23:14,960 --> 02:23:17,600 Hamburg Fall Fair is happening September 3424 02:23:17,600 --> 02:23:21,040 17th to 20th and that is down at the 3425 02:23:21,040 --> 02:23:23,439 fairgrounds at Norm Hill Park in New 3426 02:23:23,439 --> 02:23:25,280 Hamburg. 3427 02:23:25,280 --> 02:23:28,240 I also want to wish best of luck to 3428 02:23:28,240 --> 02:23:31,280 those headed back to school uh in the 3429 02:23:31,280 --> 02:23:33,680 next few weeks. And with that, a 3430 02:23:33,680 --> 02:23:36,560 reminder that um the speeds in front of 3431 02:23:36,560 --> 02:23:38,960 Saratam Beck and Waterlue Oxford do go 3432 02:23:38,960 --> 02:23:41,200 back to the school speed times. So 3433 02:23:41,200 --> 02:23:44,399 starting September 1st um I think it's 3434 02:23:44,399 --> 02:23:46,960 between 7:00 a.m. and 5:00 p.m. it will 3435 02:23:46,960 --> 02:23:49,760 be a 40 km zone and then after those 3436 02:23:49,760 --> 02:23:52,800 hours it will be 60 km and 60 km on 3437 02:23:52,800 --> 02:23:54,800 weekends. But just remember that because 3438 02:23:54,800 --> 02:23:58,720 I'm sure WRPS will be out ticketing. Um, 3439 02:23:58,720 --> 02:24:00,319 I also wanted to note that the 3440 02:24:00,319 --> 02:24:02,240 township's official plan is now posted 3441 02:24:02,240 --> 02:24:05,439 on the provincial website um for the EO 3442 02:24:05,439 --> 02:24:07,280 posting for comment. So, if people 3443 02:24:07,280 --> 02:24:09,120 wanted to add additional comments to the 3444 02:24:09,120 --> 02:24:12,080 province, they can do so. Um, and other 3445 02:24:12,080 --> 02:24:13,920 than that, just a reminder that our next 3446 02:24:13,920 --> 02:24:16,399 regular council meeting is to be 3447 02:24:16,399 --> 02:24:18,880 scheduled on Monday, November the 9th at 3448 02:24:18,880 --> 02:24:21,600 6:00 p.m. And I will turn it over to 3449 02:24:21,600 --> 02:24:23,680 councelor Dunl, I believe, also has some 3450 02:24:23,680 --> 02:24:25,600 exciting news. 3451 02:24:25,600 --> 02:24:28,560 >> Thank you, Mayor. I am excited. I'm very 3452 02:24:28,560 --> 02:24:30,560 pleased to announce that our veterans 3453 02:24:30,560 --> 02:24:34,479 crosswalk uh is scheduled tentatively. I 3454 02:24:34,479 --> 02:24:37,280 don't want uh director Vanderwal to um 3455 02:24:37,280 --> 02:24:40,640 lose his mind, but it is scheduled for 3456 02:24:40,640 --> 02:24:42,479 the first week of September or 3457 02:24:42,479 --> 02:24:43,920 thereabouts and we will certainly be 3458 02:24:43,920 --> 02:24:46,319 publicizing that. And I have to say this 3459 02:24:46,319 --> 02:24:49,200 has been a true community event. Um we 3460 02:24:49,200 --> 02:24:51,120 or community effort. We have been 3461 02:24:51,120 --> 02:24:52,720 working with the board of trade, of 3462 02:24:52,720 --> 02:24:54,560 course, with the New Hamburg Legion, 3463 02:24:54,560 --> 02:24:56,000 with the township, and especially with 3464 02:24:56,000 --> 02:24:57,600 all of those who contributed to make 3465 02:24:57,600 --> 02:25:00,399 this happen. You know, my father-in-law 3466 02:25:00,399 --> 02:25:02,640 or my father-in-law, my husband's uh 3467 02:25:02,640 --> 02:25:05,439 grandfather got the Kuad Gad for 3468 02:25:05,439 --> 02:25:07,760 capturing 200 enemy soldiers at the end 3469 02:25:07,760 --> 02:25:09,520 of the war, and he was just a kid 3470 02:25:09,520 --> 02:25:10,800 himself. And when I think of those 3471 02:25:10,800 --> 02:25:13,600 things, uh those young uh men uh going 3472 02:25:13,600 --> 02:25:17,120 out to war and women, um it uh is an 3473 02:25:17,120 --> 02:25:19,680 honor to be involved in this initiative. 3474 02:25:19,680 --> 02:25:21,200 So, I just want to make sure keep an eye 3475 02:25:21,200 --> 02:25:23,520 out. We will be publicizing it and it 3476 02:25:23,520 --> 02:25:27,439 will be installed on uh Hiron Hiron Road 3477 02:25:27,439 --> 02:25:29,359 and uh looking forward to it. So, thank 3478 02:25:29,359 --> 02:25:30,479 you. 3479 02:25:30,479 --> 02:25:31,840 >> Thank you, counselor. Are there any 3480 02:25:31,840 --> 02:25:33,920 other announcements? 3481 02:25:33,920 --> 02:25:36,960 Okay, seeing none, uh we did not have 3482 02:25:36,960 --> 02:25:38,479 closed, therefore we have no business 3483 02:25:38,479 --> 02:25:40,160 arising from it. So, I'd look for a 3484 02:25:40,160 --> 02:25:41,280 mover and a seconder for the 3485 02:25:41,280 --> 02:25:43,520 confirmatory bylaw. 3486 02:25:43,520 --> 02:25:44,960 Moved by council Martin, seconded by 3487 02:25:44,960 --> 02:25:47,840 councelor Sue. All those in favor? That 3488 02:25:47,840 --> 02:25:50,800 carries unanimously and adjournment 3489 02:25:50,800 --> 02:25:53,439 councelor Crestman seconded by councelor 3490 02:25:53,439 --> 02:25:56,319 Sadu. All those in favor and that 3491 02:25:56,319 --> 02:25:58,399 carries unanimously. Thank you and have 3492 02:25:58,399 --> 02:26:01,720 a great night.