[0:00] Our
[0:04] January the 8th 2026 blue commission
meeting
[0:08] you'll do our prayer.
[0:14] Let's pray. Lord we come to you today
give you the most high praise and honor.
[0:19] Lord we thank you for your word and
gifts of spirit that you have given us
[0:22] to help us through life. Lord there's no
better life than a life that's led by
[0:27] your hand. We thank you for your son who
died on the cross for our sins. Lord,
[0:30] paid the ultimate sacrifice so we can
have a life of eternity spent with you.
[0:36] Lord, um let us remember that the road
to life is narrow. Help us to make the
[0:42] right decisions and stay on that that
narrow road. Lord, give us the guidance
[0:47] and wisdom to be the best that we can
be. Lord, as we carry out our work, keep
[0:52] our men and women safe out on the roads.
And as always, let everything go to the
[0:56] uplifting building of your kingdom in
Jesus name. Amen.
[0:59] » Amen.
>> Amen.
[1:02] » I pledge allegiance to the flag of the
United States of America and to the
[1:08] republic for which it stands, one nation
under God, indivisible, with liberty,
[1:14] justice for all.
>> Thank you.
[1:19] Anyone here wishing to speak for the
road commission today?
[1:24] Seeing none, we close public comment. Go
the system superintendent report.
[1:29] » Chase, I'm sorry. Do the minutes first.
We a motion to approve the bench.
[1:35] » Second.
>> Second. All
[1:36] » in favor say I.
>> Sorry. Keep me on track.
[1:42] On your subdivision list. We uh
we had the water mill subdivision come
[1:49] off to your maintenance site. That
become ours.
[1:53] Uh we've done a lot of work because of
the weather. We ain't got nothing that
[1:56] really changed on the list, but we got a
lot of things covered up. A lot of
[1:59] subdivisions for the winter. Um and in
good shape. Uh we got about four or five
[2:06] subdivisions we got in good shape for
the winter. Springtime we ought to be
[2:10] able to
get them uh swapped over for maintenance
[2:15] or at least get some more asphalt down.
Um,
[2:22] we do got a new road list to book there.
We had about
[2:28] 3.17 miles of road that that going in on
our book on the new road list. Like to
[2:35] get y'all's approval on. And on that
first sheet in that book, it's got all
[2:40] the all the roads. A lot of them are
just adding on the previous roads we
[2:44] had. There are a few that are are
running the road subdivision roads but
[2:48] like to add them to our road list to
take care of. Motion to approve.
[2:52] » Second.
>> Okay.
[2:53] » Any discussion? All in favor say I.
>> That's all I got.
[3:00] » Any questions for Chase?
You see none. They hear a motion to
[3:03] approve his report. So move. All in
favor say I. I.
[3:09] Superintendent report. Mr. Steve Mury.
[3:15] Uh
I know we got a few things we need to
[3:20] discuss today about got discussion on
some bridges and some east division.
[3:28] U
Mr. Bobby and I talked about few things
[3:32] and uh I'll let Mr. Bob you want to talk
about each vision? We'll go ahead and
[3:38] talk about each. Well, I talked to Chad
about this because it's not in my road
[3:42] commission district, although a bunch of
my constituents drive up and down it.
[3:46] Probably everybody's doing it. Um,
you know, 25 years ago, I spent a lot of
[3:52] time begging money from T dot
and I was down there all the time.
[3:56] Probably 20, 30 times I went down there
trying to get a grant for this and a
[4:00] grant for that. And you know, in the big
leagues, if you hit 300, you can get in
[4:06] the Hall of Fame. If you hit 100 at T
Dot, you'll get in the Hall of Fame. I
[4:10] didn't ever hit 100. It's It's hard to
get road projects. It's hard to get
[4:13] grants. But I'll tell you the way I
think we're going at this East Division,
[4:18] I don't think we're ever going to get a
grant. I don't think Mount Jul's going
[4:22] to get a grand. I don't think Lemon is
going to get a grant. And I'll tell you
[4:25] why. Cuz I got to thinking about it.
It's only a five mile road.
[4:30] And T Dot is not going to want to see
that thing peacemeal and fixed. They're
[4:36] not going to want to grant Lebanon a
little half a mile and us two and a half
[4:40] miles and Mount Julie a couple miles.
They're not going to do that because
[4:43] we'll all get fussing about it. They
don't like that.
[4:47] So, I got thinking maybe there's a
better chance that we all have we got
[4:52] together and went down there with a
project because there's three lines at T
[4:57] dot. If you go down there and try to ask
for money, there's three lines you can
[5:00] get into.
One of them is the is the dream. I got
[5:04] an idea. It's a long line. The second
one is a a plan. You go down there with
[5:10] a plan. You roll up a tube and you can
go down there and have a plan. It's a
[5:13] pretty long line, too. If you go down
there with a project,
[5:17] you know, it still probably take a
while, but at least it's a short line.
[5:22] And and I don't see any other way we're
going to get a grant. And I talked Chad
[5:26] about this. And I know there's a lot of
ideas about going to this bad section of
[5:30] East Division and fixing that and going
over here and fixing this, but that's
[5:35] not going to fix East Division. That's
just going to chase the problem to the
[5:38] other part of East Division. We're going
to have to fix the whole road, right? Am
[5:42] I wrong about I mean, am I saying
anything out of out of out of step here?
[5:46] I mean, it's five mile road. It don't
have shoulders on it for most of it. And
[5:52] the problem is is if if somebody puts a
tire off, they look at their phone or
[5:55] whatever, they put a tire off the road,
they overcorrect getting back on the
[5:58] road and next thing you know, you got
another head-on collision. That's what's
[6:01] that's what's been happening. And so the
only way that I see how to fix it. So,
[6:06] how will we do that? Well,
we're going to have to figure out a way
[6:09] to all get together. I think Mount
Julie's already designing a project, but
[6:15] they're even admitting they think
they're going to have trouble getting
[6:18] their grant because it's only like a
couple miles. They're not the whole road
[6:22] either. So, is T dot going to give them
a grant to go two miles and stop? Well,
[6:26] they might even make it worse because
somewhere it's going to have to taper
[6:30] back down to the old road again. So, I
don't think they're going to do that.
[6:33] They rather give the money to somebody
in West Tennessee somewhere. So, I guess
[6:37] what I'm bringing to the the board today
is any ideas y'all got how we if if it's
[6:43] a good idea to try to work with Lebanon
and Mount Mount Juliet to try to do
[6:46] this, try to get together beforehand,
try to go down there all together
[6:52] and how do we do that? You know, I'm
open for suggestions cuz that that's not
[6:56] even going to be easy. I mean, they're
busy. We're busy. We got different road
[7:01] crosssections. I got different road
cross-sections.
[7:04] So I just want to throw it up there. Tip
ball
[7:09] on the M yet Jet portion. Are they going
to the Golden Bear on Division?
[7:12] » Pretty much. Maybe a little past there
to go to Rutland, right?
[7:15] » Rutland. Okay. It's right there where
the barbecue place used to be.
[7:18] » Yes, sir.
>> Right. So that's a pretty good section.
[7:23] » Couple miles.
>> Yeah.
[7:25] » It's in the RPT.
>> Well, I do think we need to try to come
[7:27] together and get the whole thing
resolved.
[7:33] What do you think, Mayor?
>> Well, I met with uh Tony yesterday with
[7:38] Cyer uh and u because I talked to him
about the options of doing the 3 million
[7:43] and fixing those four spots and he felt
like that the um the data they went with
[7:48] the last time uh had gone up 40% on
traffic and 35% on crashes. And he felt
[7:54] like he could apply between now and May
or April with this FWA grant of the
[8:01] SS4A. and he felt like they would get
that this time. They got four roads this
[8:06] last award in Mount Jet, he shared those
with me. So I said, so before I talked
[8:12] to Chad about doing that 3 million here,
uh I said, "Let's do the timelines on
[8:17] both." So we did a timeline on the
grant, which he said could be delivered
[8:21] by December of 27, not funded till
March. Uh and he said, "But so you're
[8:28] looking if you went ahead and did the 3
million on the four spots right now that
[8:32] in 6 months you would tear it out if you
got the grant." And he said he feels
[8:37] good about the grant because those four
ones that were granted for Mount Got uh
[8:41] this last year. So he has said he's
committed to applying for that and
[8:45] making that happen.
So on East Division, the RTP uh regional
[8:51] transportation plan 2050 plan uh is in
the work. I talked to T dot after being
[8:56] you talked. Uh they feel like Jay Norris
feels like they do have a good shot of
[9:01] getting uh Mount G some funding for that
one from Mount Giet Road to Rutland
[9:06] Drive and then we would pick up Rutland
Drive to the city limits of Lebanon.
[9:10] » Now let's see from Rutland Drive to the
bridge is still city of Mount Jup.
[9:15] » Yep.
>> So you got almost a mile there that's in
[9:20] the city of Mount Jup.
>> Mhm.
[9:22] » So why are they stopping that road?
Well, that's what I was wondering. Yeah,
[9:26] it's just crazy.
>> Well, that just passed a Golden Bear.
[9:30] So, they did it to Golden Bear and then
they go past Golden Bear and they
[9:34] stopping it.
>> So, they're going to leave the other
[9:37] part of their city out.
>> Well, I mean, that's the project they
[9:41] carried, uh, which is completely fine.
So, I mean, that's their project. Glad
[9:45] they're doing that. We're not having to
worry about doing that. And then Tony
[9:48] felt like I could pick up at Rutland
Drive and car it with the city's
[9:51] cooperation because we we already have
their endorsement from last time that we
[9:55] applied for this them and Kristen Rice
as well. Matt White was the Mount Ger
[10:00] one who did that. So he feels good about
that.
[10:03] » Okay.
>> Because I was going to come to you today
[10:04] because we had talked last last time
about let's get that 3 million going.
[10:07] But he said so right now you get that
grant that's 8020 match. That 3 million
[10:12] is going to go a long way on a 20 match
as opposed to putting it out there and
[10:15] it being tore up in six months.
Okay. So, that brings us back to u a
[10:21] question then. So, how far is it from
Rutland to the bridge?
[10:25] » It's it's it's probably I'm going to say
it's close to a mile. It might be 710
[10:30] something like that.
>> Okay. So, let's just say a mile. So, on
[10:32] the other side of that uh where the city
led comes in to where it's it's wide
[10:37] right there in front of the fire
station. How far is that from there to
[10:40] the bridge?
>> Probably a couple three miles. Two and a
[10:44] half three miles.
>> Okay. All right. I was speaking the
[10:46] same. If you're going to do a mile for
Mount Julie, you might as well do a mile
[10:49] for 11 and cover the whole thing
>> cuz see you got see we've got a right
[10:55] past the last two turn lanes that we've
done. We've got another one just another
[11:00] development fixing come in and they're
going to fix that box coverage there and
[11:04] they're going to make a three lanes
there too. So that's going to be another
[11:09] pretty good section of the road that's
going to be fixed. So
[11:12] » Okay. So, but you're saying that he's
guaranteed to get that or
[11:18] » Well, I'm going to say he he he probably
ain't guaranteeing he's going to get it.
[11:21] He's hoping he's going to get it cuz
see, we've done applied for three
[11:25] different ones out there on the east
division and didn't get none of them.
[11:29] » Yeah, you applied for it once.
>> One time the sec. No, second one never
[11:34] got applied for.
>> Okay.
[11:36] » We had that conversation yesterday.
That's why I called him in cuz I said
[11:39] that's not what we had conversation
about before. But he said nobody
[11:42] followed up with him.
And that's a that that what he said by
[11:47] the time he went to do that because we
went back and found the time when the
[11:51] » You talking with Tony or Aaron?
>> Talk to Tony. We met with him yesterday.
[11:55] » But I know I Aaron last time applied for
us.
[11:58] » Yeah. Did you get that?
>> Well, I hate to be negative. So, here's
[12:03] the problem with this. Every time you
ride in a road, you got to you got to go
[12:08] get rideway. You got to move the
utilities. You you gotta you got to get
[12:12] people there. You got to bring dump
trucks in. You gota you gota bid it out.
[12:16] You you got to start project, right? So
if you got Lebanon doing it and we doing
[12:20] it and Mount Julia doing it all
separate, you're going to do all that
[12:23] stuff three times and you're not going
to do it at the same time and you're
[12:28] going to build three different roads.
They're not going to match. They're not
[12:32] going to be built at the same time by
the same people. and and it's going to
[12:36] take forever to wind up with something
that's going to be peacemeal even when
[12:42] it's done. And and so I guess what I'm
trying to say is 5 miles ain't a long
[12:46] road for T dot. Mount Juliet from
Highway 70 to Providence is 5 miles.
[12:51] They did that in 18 months. They did
that. I was there. It was 144 pieces of
[12:58] right away. Every utility was moved,
everything. But it was a five mile
[13:02] project. But we're wanting to bust this
up into three little bitty projects.
[13:08] Even if T dot did grant it, we're
essentially going to tell the public
[13:12] they're going to be in a construction
project from now on. They're going to be
[13:14] three different ones and we ain't going
to have control over two of them. And so
[13:18] I I guess the alternative would be and
maybe it's not an alternative. Maybe the
[13:23] city of Lebanon and the city of Mount
Julie don't want to do this and and and
[13:26] wouldn't want to work with us. But on
the other hand, what what if we could do
[13:30] it that way? What if we could just say,
you know, when we do the rightway, we're
[13:36] going to get all the right away. When we
do move the the utilities on this five
[13:39] miles, we're going to do it all at the
same time. If nothing else, the people
[13:42] going up and down east division are
going to be a whole lot less troubled by
[13:46] it. And so, you know, you see what I'm
saying? And it might even enhance our
[13:49] ability to get the grant because
remember if if we connect with Mount
[13:54] Juliet and Lebanon and us, there's three
different, you know, cities and counties
[13:58] going down there and asking, that's
that's a lot. We're all agreeing. Plus,
[14:02] we got the biggest commercial
building in state of Tennessee down
[14:07] there.
It's Amazon. I mean, they know that,
[14:11] right? They know it's grown down there
and bound you adding to it. We'd kind of
[14:16] be I think I think we'd enhance
everybody's chances of getting the
[14:19] project. The downside is we'd have to
work with Leon Mount Juliet. We'd have
[14:23] to agree on a cross-section. We'd have
to agree. We'd have to agree what the
[14:27] road's going to look like on the front
end, but I'm not sure that's a bad
[14:30] thing. Do you really want us to fix it
and go through all this trouble and it
[14:33] be like this all the way down it? I
mean, I'm just
[14:36] » I agree. I agree with everything you
said, but I we've been sitting here for
[14:42] the last 3 or 4 years hoping and wishing
on a prayer that we get a grant. We've
[14:46] got to put the foot forward somewhere
and and start something. Uh I mean, and
[14:51] and we do. I mean, seriously, I hate to
be the bearer of bad news, but and but
[14:55] I'm willing to do what the mayor says
because he feels pretty good about it.
[14:59] Why Why don't we wait till April and
Well, that April is when he applies
[15:03] though, right? Or is that when he'll
know something? We're getting applied in
[15:06] April. And I think that to go back to
your conversation, it can be done at the
[15:10] same time. What we're having discussion
about right now is finding the funding.
[15:14] » Yeah.
>> Yeah. I mean, Mountain G, it'd be great
[15:16] to do at the same time. If they get the
funding, that's good, but if they can't
[15:18] get the money, they can't get the
funding. But the county park that we are
[15:21] in charge of,
>> we need to get on the stick and get it
[15:23] done. And we didn't apply the last time.
>> That's right.
[15:25] » Uh, and that put that on me. I'm fine
with that being on me. I'm going to make
[15:29] damn sure it gets applied for this time
because there two two people lost their
[15:33] life on that road and we need to apply
for that. And and I would I was fine
[15:36] with going ahead and pushing for this
three million and fix those four bad
[15:39] spots. If they going to tear it down in
6 months now that that that that don't
[15:44] make any sense to me in my opinion and
I'll know by December if we don't get it
[15:48] then yeah then take the 3 million and go
pick 73 spots cuz then it's a long way
[15:53] away. But we got to have funding. And
then they can if we get the funding, if
[15:57] we get the FWA with SS4A, that's fine.
Then coordinate them with Mount Jude
[16:02] said, "Hey, if you'll pony up and get
your grant going, let's do it all at one
[16:05] time with one construction group." I got
no problem with that. But right now, we
[16:08] don't have a dime and we ain't got
enough money to go do it. Nobody does.
[16:13] So, I mean that I mean I spent the last
four days working on ever since you
[16:16] called me about putting a committee
together. I said, "Hey, I called T dot,
[16:20] talked to Jay Norris for a while." Yeah.
and Jay and and of course I mean and we
[16:24] and we've identified and I want to get
with you guys pretty soon in Christopher
[16:28] because we've talked just this recently
about how do we handle subdivisions one
[16:33] going in out there on Maple Hill this is
a conversation you know how do we handle
[16:37] it I called Michael Skipper Michael said
you know you can ask if they annex into
[16:41] the city you don't really have any say
so but he said if you want to ask that
[16:45] developer to do a traffic shed study to
find out what it's going to cause your
[16:50] network county roads ask them to pay for
that and do that. Now, they won't pay
[16:54] for all that improvement on those roads
because you get aft for that, but they
[16:58] could be asked to pay for some of that.
Now, they may tell you to take a flying
[17:02] leap, but he says right now there is no
money out there for that in any county
[17:07] uh in Tennessee. And so, we all have to
ask, but that's what the public has been
[17:10] asking us forever. Development goes in,
what are you doing about my county road?
[17:15] And that's and that's something that
that we're going to sit down this next
[17:18] week if we can and address. How do we
address those? because we've got to do
[17:21] that. We've done everything else in the
county. We've added wingless stations,
[17:25] jails, schools, everything else. But our
county roads need some attention. And
[17:30] that's not really on you because as I've
learned, road commissions were not
[17:34] designed to build roads. No, they're not
doing it anywhere in the state. But as
[17:38] we've all learned this growth, they're
all paying right now because they're
[17:42] getting traffic they can't handle and
you don't have the budget for that. So
[17:46] something's going to have to be done or
have a plan to address that. And that's
[17:49] what I want to talk Well, yeah, but I
mean, and I agree with you one thing
[17:52] that none of this is any of y'all's
fault. It don't have anything to do with
[17:56] us. Technically, it's our fault cuz
we're letting development come in and
[18:02] we're getting outgrown and the roads are
not keeping up. The water's not keeping
[18:06] up. The sewer's not keeping up, and we
we keep putting stuff in. I mean, you
[18:10] know, and that's just the way I feel
about it. So, and I had to take a hard
[18:14] look to figure out because I was like,
man, I got to go out to the road
[18:17] commission. we need to get these roads
fixed. Then I'm like, man, well, over
[18:21] here, this development, you know, I just
got one out there on Hartsville Pike. I
[18:25] think it's the greatest thing. They
could put three 400 houses in there.
[18:28] They only want to put 70. So, you know,
and and of course the people out there
[18:31] was kind of fussing about that and they
don't understand. You can put 300 there,
[18:35] but he's just want to put 70, you know.
So, but once we start adding them, of
[18:40] course, Archville Pike's wide enough
that they can handle the flow of the
[18:43] traffic and all of that stuff, but what
if they turn around and go back to
[18:47] Spring Creek trying to get to Tucker's
Crossroads uh uh school? It's narrow. I
[18:52] mean, the road is narrow. And so, um we
we still I I had I had that on my mind.
[18:57] You got Philips Road. It's a one lane
bridge going down through there. And so,
[19:01] and and that's where they're going to
go. They're building houses over in
[19:04] there, too. So, we just got to do
something. I mean, we we have to do
[19:08] something. We might have to start, you
know, thinking about it in this new
[19:12] budget or whatever that we're going to
have to set money aside to build these
[19:14] roads, you know, somewhere. And I ain't
talking about just pulling a little bit
[19:19] from here, a little bit from there. We
need a fund to start building these
[19:22] roads. I I I firmly believe that.
>> And we set aside the fund for the
[19:26] mineral tax.
And you may want to address in November
[19:29] putting the will tax out. And that's let
the people vote on that's 3.75 million
[19:34] to do that. But when you say this body
right here has it at fault, we don't
[19:38] approve subdivision and we can't
commissioners. Yeah. And we but but
[19:44] commissioners don't approve subdivisions
either. And we can't stop uh that
[19:47] annexation from going into the city. I
mean they've left that to the people.
[19:50] Now the people get to ask that. The
city's not asking that. And the growth
[19:53] that we've taken a beating for 85% of
it's in the city. It ain't in your
[19:57] county. I mean you can go a lot. We got
>> He's right. But you're full. You can say
[20:04] he's right cuz you're full.
>> Well,
[20:06] » I've got empty land. I've got empty land
out there that that's not
[20:10] » But the past little bit has been 15% of
the growth has been in the county,
[20:13] » right? And and so when they get on the
horn and say, "Hey, if you don't want
[20:17] traffic, you know, increase those lot
size of two acres." You can increase lot
[20:20] size to 50 acres, but I'm still going to
have traffic because the growth that
[20:23] I've got is inside the city that I don't
control.
[20:26] » Right.
>> Yeah. And if we can address and get a
[20:28] little bit of the developer to help us
on some of these network roads, that's
[20:31] the best bang that we got in my opinion
for this. I don't know if there's
[20:34] anything else we can do. But again, we
can only ask. Mike will tell you, we
[20:38] can't make them do nothing.
>> Well, I got one dumb question then.
[20:40] We're going to go about this way and we
do get it. Let's just say we do get a
[20:44] grant. We're going to have to get right
away. What if they don't want to sell?
[20:50] » Well, the people in the east division
don't want to sell right away. Are we
[20:52] Are we going to Are we You have to
condemn it. Okay. Is it Is it Are we all
[20:57] prepared to
>> I don't I I really don't think you'll
[20:59] have one person because they're probably
tired of them raking in their yard.
[21:02] » Yeah. You'd be surprised, you know, we
>> Well, then they're going to lose because
[21:06] that road needs to be wide.
>> I get it.
[21:08] » Yeah.
>> You know, by by peace mealing and I
[21:12] guess I guess the other thing I I just
leave y'all with, y'all won't go this
[21:16] route, that's fine because it's a long
way off to do it anyway either way.
[21:19] » Well, you look at four or five years at
least. Yes. And if we don't get a grant,
[21:23] Mount Juliet strikes out too, and we're
both in the same boat,
[21:27] we we may have to do what I'm I'm
suggesting because it does increase our
[21:32] odds of getting it if we go with more
people.
[21:35] » Yeah. But it don't hurt to do what
you're doing, too. Whichever one comes
[21:39] first is what I look at it.
>> Yeah. So, mayor, what you're saying is
[21:43] who you talked to, um he y'all are
trying to get something done for our
[21:47] whole section, correct? fire section the
the uh the regional transportation plan
[21:53] already has the project enlisted and
money committed to it for east division
[21:58] from Mount Jet road to Rutland Drive. So
that already has that's already in the
[22:02] works. So I know you know this but so
for every road that have to have to get
[22:06] started the first thing it's got to do
it's got to get to GNRC it's got to get
[22:09] on the NO it's got to get on the
regional transportation plan. Once it
[22:12] gets there then the next step for it to
do is to get into the tip three the
[22:16] transportation improvement plan which is
a three-year plan. And that means it's
[22:18] got some funding dedication. Then it's
got to get to the 10-year plan uh of T
[22:22] dot. They've got to accept it. But T do
DOT is not going to accept any road
[22:26] that's not started out in the GNRC.
Period. And and and so for us in our
[22:31] county road, we have to get that road on
that list. And we've got to get a
[22:34] funding source. And the funding source
is the SS4A grant. Unless you want to
[22:38] pony up the money to do it. Bottom line.
So right now we got a chance for a
[22:42] grant, which is the best thing for your
citizens to get 80% of that money. And
[22:46] if we don't go apply for that, I think
we we don't look very smart. So, we do
[22:49] that and then we take the three men we
was going to spend on those side parts
[22:52] and put that towards the match, which
that we do have that money to be able to
[22:56] do that. But we get that grant once we
get the grant then we're fine to go and
[23:00] say, "Hey, can we get Mountain JW and us
to work and do the road all at the same
[23:03] time? We got the funding and now can you
come up with the rest of your funding
[23:07] and and we could do it all at one time."
That's your issue is peacemail them. But
[23:11] we peacemail every day. Every time one
of them new division, some one of those
[23:15] new uh commercial buildings go in, they
peace build the road right in front of
[23:19] it. But you're not gonna let them not do
that, you know. Yeah.
[23:22] » So, I guess my take of it is out in that
area for hearing people. It'd be good if
[23:27] we could do our stretch cuz I hate to
see us spend three or four million cuz
[23:31] then they're going to wreck right past
that spot we fixed. You know what I'm
[23:34] saying?
>> Yeah. If you don't do that stretch and
[23:35] Mount J gets there done, it stops at one
lane. Goes right back down two lanes.
[23:39] » That that stretch is our responsibility.
me and a mile of it's in the city of M
[23:44] city of Mount J. We may ask for some
help there. But I mean that is our road.
[23:47] » Yeah. But I I'm I'm I'm
going to piggy back off what Chad was
[23:52] talking about. I'd like to know the
numbers because I feel like where the
[23:57] most of the wrecks are happening is in
the county.
[24:00] » Sure.
>> It's up it's up 40%. Let's say down
[24:03] there where Matt Jet took over too
>> down there
[24:07] doing it on both.
>> It's in it's in both.
[24:09] » Yeah. Yeah. It's that whole stretch is
is
[24:12] » Yeah. But and I and I will say this. I
mean that amount to ever be
[24:18] » since we've lowered the speed limit. If
you'll go down there and drive at the
[24:21] speed limit, you don't have no problem,
>> right? Go ahead. It's just a shoulder.
[24:25] It's all over.
>> It's just a shoulder. But I we went down
[24:28] there and restriped it and if you go
down there and drive it like you're
[24:31] supposed to, you don't have no problem.
But now I know people don't do that,
[24:35] » right? You know, I mean, it's like when
it tells you in your handbook or when I
[24:40] got my license in the handbook says I'm
supposed to be have control of my
[24:44] vehicle at all times,
>> right? I mean, you know, if you drive it
[24:49] like you're supposed to, you don't have
any issue. And the issues with the
[24:53] tractor trailers and the dump trucks and
stuff on there, I mean, we run into that
[24:57] just recently. They got 16,000 loads got
to come out of Walmart up there and
[25:01] they're taking that over.
>> Well, I don't know why they don't use
[25:03] Golden Bear anyway. Well, so here's
>> you can't use Golden Bear
[25:08] » cuz they the the DOT will not let you on
interstate. You can haul 10 tons over
[25:13] there at a time.
>> I'm talking about truck and trailer.
[25:16] » Oh yeah.
>> Yeah. I thought you they were defining
[25:22] truckers.
>> Yeah.
[25:24] » But and you know I mean but you can't
stop them,
[25:27] » right?
>> But that situation we dealt with there
[25:30] is that they got 16,000 loads has got to
come out of there. Uh, and so Gary Nooks
[25:36] called me and he said, "Hey, they're
wearing up my road back here with this
[25:39] with this dump truck." So I called Daryl
Gilly and he said, he said, "Well,
[25:42] here's the deal." He said, and I called
the sheriff, too. He said, he said, I
[25:45] said, "Can you just not come down?
You're going over the pardon me day cam.
[25:48] Can you not just get on 109 and come
down hit Franklin Road and go in?" He
[25:51] said, "No, cuz when I come out of there,
you going to make me take a rot. And
[25:54] then when I get up there to the to the
interstate, you ain't going to let me do
[25:57] a U-turn. And then when I try to go down
interstate, I got $1,800 ticket the
[26:01] other day because they cut the load lift
down. So yeah, the only place I got to
[26:05] go is uh Camp Brown Road, Nel Road,
Franklin Road in there. And he said, "So
[26:10] what they've done with the new law is
forced our county roads to take all this
[26:14] traffic."
>> Yep. And those laws are not there.
[26:17] They're they they're just enforcing they
was I looked it up is back in 1970
[26:22] when that highway
>> This is the new the new law though is
[26:24] where they
>> they dropped the weight limit on you. So
[26:28] that so you're right.
>> It's been there since 1970. The weight
[26:30] limit has been there since 1970.
>> But they dropped it some more. They just
[26:34] » No, I can haul I can haul 15 tons on the
interstate. That's it.
[26:38] » That's it.
>> So the new
[26:40] » No, I'm sorry. My truck can only haul
13. If you got aluminum bed, you can
[26:43] haul 15.
>> So the new law that Daryl said and that
[26:46] Jay Norris sent me yesterday. I said,
send me a copy of the email was one that
[26:50] was put in there by Department of Safety
that lowered that
[26:53] » again.
>> Yes, sir. And that's why he said, "So, I
[26:56] mean, I can't," he said, "I can't take a
half a load."
[26:59] » No.
>> Yeah.
[27:00] » I mean, I knew I knew that's the reason
why they was doing it. But on the other
[27:03] end on Franklin, you know, Haskell come
up there. Robert stood up there and
[27:07] said, "I'm we're going to write them
tickets." I mean, so you can't go there.
[27:12] You can't go anywhere in in the county
or the city for that.
[27:15] » So, that went on best road. He said,
"Hey, look, keep them off of Best Road."
[27:18] And he said, "Mary, I'll do whatever you
want me to do, but the site that y'all
[27:21] flew for me to work on is over on
McQuary Road. So if you don't want me to
[27:24] turn down best, that's fine. If I go
down to 452 like you asked me to, then I
[27:28] can't and I turn down on Mcquaryy. I
can't cross that bridge because of
[27:31] weight limit. So I'll do whatever you
want me to do. T won't let me get on
[27:35] interstate, but you just tell me which
one you want me to do. I'll be glad to
[27:37] do it.
>> Yep.
[27:38] » Yeah.
>> They're wearing me out over on Riverview
[27:40] Road and I talked to Steve. They're all
cutting through. I don't know. But
[27:44] anyway, so you're working on division.
So working on yeah working on division
[27:48] and also working on um see with the
department of safety to see if we can
[27:52] get a waiver for those 16,000 load to
actually use 109 I mean use interstate
[27:58] just go down to South Hartman and take a
ride hopefully to keep them off our road
[28:01] trying to protect
>> Thank you for working on that.
[28:03] » Yep. So and I I I once we meet I do not
want to address this board until I meet
[28:09] with these guys here but uh we will come
back with a a plan uh that you asked me
[28:13] to work on.
>> Thank you.
[28:15] » Okay. Yes, sir.
>> All right. The next thing I want to
[28:18] discuss is we're these bridges. We're
getting in they've got a new the state's
[28:24] got a new formula on these bridges
and we're getting we're fixing to get
[28:29] into a vine with these bridges. I was
going to let y'all know we uh the state
[28:34] has informed us when we come back that
we've got to shut down the bridge on
[28:39] East Oakland. It's got to be shut down
by the 20th.
[28:45] uh
not ever had. It's never been on the
[28:48] bridge list. It don't even have a weight
limit on it. And normally they make us
[28:52] put a weight limit on it before they,
you know, we have to do work to it. And
[28:56] so this is all new to us.
So, you know, that's one reason I've
[29:02] kind of watched what we do with our
money because I knew this was this was
[29:06] going to happen. We've got bridges in
the county that's been there for years.
[29:10] » Is that it, Terry? Is that yours or is
that Curtis? Yeah, the bridge there
[29:16] » at Mill Road at Mill.
>> Yep.
[29:18] » How do you get over Spring Creek?
>> Drive around.
[29:23] » So,
>> I mean, you fixing to send them down
[29:25] Bluebird this time.
>> Bluebird. You going to send them down
[29:29] » Copper Hill? Locus Grove and all of
that. Yep.
[29:33] » Good.
>> So, you you probably going to get calls
[29:35] on it, but I mean,
>> state says I got to shut it down.
[29:39] » When you got to do this?
>> The 20th of January. You got signs
[29:43] already out?
>> No, we've got signs out warning people.
[29:46] » Okay.
>> So,
[29:48] » if you get calls on that, we're trying
to there's a backup on I40, which
[29:52] doesn't matter I know to any of our
jurisdictions, but back up at coming
[29:57] from Nashville getting off at 109 there.
There's only one lane. So, we talked to
[30:02] them because that's backing up now about
a lot of skid marks there. So, we've
[30:05] asked them to put a sign out there
flashing saying be prepared to stop.
[30:09] Talked to Jay yesterday. He said the
issue is really in front of Publix
[30:12] because when they come off of there they
turn right going north to Gallatin. They
[30:17] got a red light there. They got a red
light on the other side of the
[30:19] interstate. They got a red light at
less.
[30:22] And he said so they can't all get off
and go that way. And he says we've got
[30:25] to find something to do in house to
handle that. But I've asked him say will
[30:30] you just put a sign up because people
have been calling me saying hey you
[30:33] almost run into the back of somebody
because the traffic stopping right in
[30:35] the middle of the interstate uh on
there. So, just you can let people know
[30:40] if y'all get calls on that too that
we're asking for sign.
[30:44] » I'm coming out of Nashville.
>> I'm going eastbound.
[30:47] » Eastbound and I'm going to get off at
109.
[30:49] » Mhm.
>> And that ramp just backs up one lane all
[30:53] the way to this for a while.
>> Well, when are they when is and not to
[30:58] get off totally off cuz it's not on the
script, but when is uh when are they
[31:03] going to widen that all the way from
8:40 to Sparta Pike or wherever they're
[31:07] going? switch on your design then
>> it'll go right to the interchange but
[31:13] not change the interchange.
>> Okay.
[31:18] » So that that was I just wanted y'all to
be prepared. That's what's coming down
[31:22] because I don't there's probably I'm
afraid there's going to be more bridges
[31:26] when they go to chicken. So, but you
know it's the state's really coming down
[31:33] on these bridges and they like I said
they've changed their formula. Now, I
[31:37] don't know how much you can change your
formula when you're doing a bridge, but
[31:40] anyway, but that's what they're telling
us.
[31:45] » In other words, I got a question about
the formula. How can they come in on us
[31:48] and say all of a sudden we got to start
doing
[31:51] » that? Don't seem seem
>> I could do
[31:55] » financially feasible. That's what I say.
But
[31:58] » I mean, I can see it over a five or year
unless it's just rusting out or being.
[32:02] » Well, I mean, you know, usually when
they make us start putting a weight
[32:05] limit on it, we know we need to go check
it and see what we got to do to fix it
[32:09] or update it or whatever.
>> See, this has never had a weight limit
[32:14] or nothing on it. I mean, this is it
ain't even been on the radar. The last
[32:18] bridge list we got back in 22, it said
fair to good.
[32:24] now is seeing us we go shows now.
>> I went to Michael Sweden's the other day
[32:29] and I wouldn't go across it. Just don't
like that bridge at all.
[32:33] » It's that bridge
the beans are small but there's been a
[32:39] whole lot of stuff hauled across.
>> Yeah. I just I was like I know
[32:42] » I mean we've hauled across I've hauled
across it several several times.
[32:47] » Right.
But I mean, you know, that's the state's
[32:51] got their new formula.
>> Okay.
[32:54] » So,
but on uh the Stewart Fair Bridge,
[32:59] I'm going to ask y'all for a budget
amendment. We'll get a bud budget
[33:02] amendment on it to get it taken care of.
Y'all should have a budget amendment in
[33:06] your packet.
[33:10] So, what is this, Steve? Well, the
Stewart spray breed. Yeah, but it's a
[33:17] » fun
sub.
[33:20] » Huh?
>> Is that the big one?
[33:21] » Subscribe. Yeah.
>> And you going to get 93% back.
[33:24] » 98.
>> 98.
[33:26] » Yeah. 982 is what they always do.
Especially state. It's a state aid. So
[33:32] » motion to approve.
>> Second.
[33:33] » Second.
>> Any other discussion?
[33:35] » All in favor say I. I.
>> Okay. Uh the next thing I got uh the
[33:40] mayor and I talked with a gentleman on
the Smith Hollow Road
[33:46] and he is wanting the uh speed limit
lowered. It's 30 mph
[33:53] now. And what he is wanting lowered is a
mile and 9/10.
[34:00] And I think my opinion I think there's
nothing wrong with the speed limit
[34:04] there. There's only six houses on the
whole road.
[34:07] So I'm
>> three road.
[34:11] » Yeah. It's off stageville, isn't it?
>> Yeah.
[34:13] » Goes through Rocky Branch.
>> So you're saying the individuals asking
[34:16] for this?
>> Yes.
[34:17] » Now we know we got a resolution that
Terry put in place about signatures.
[34:21] » That's right.
>> So we need to obey that cuz I there's no
[34:24] way he's going to get into them six
houses. That's what I said.
[34:28] » But that that's the reason he want he's
want to take it down to 20 which I told
[34:32] him we don't do 20.
>> That's a driveway. And I I I told him I
[34:36] said I said I'll take it to the board. I
told him the mayor knows. I told him I
[34:41] take we'll take it to the board and see
what the board says. My recommendation
[34:44] was to leave it at 30 because 30 is
plenty cuz there's only six houses on
[34:48] the road.
>> Well, to this gentleman's defense,
[34:50] there's six houses on it.
>> So if he if they all agree, we might
[34:54] work with them. Right. That's the way we
look at.
[34:56] » No, we're breaking our own covenant
then. He said 25 signatures. Are we
[35:00] going to do that? Yeah, but
>> but he only has six homes. I mean,
[35:03] » if you get 100% of the homes assigned,
>> he I mean, he's called We We've dealt
[35:07] with him.
>> We've dealt with him a year ago. So,
[35:12] daughter maybe got hit or almost got hit
by somebody riding her bike down through
[35:17] there. I know Blake Hall drives that way
home every day. He talked to me about it
[35:22] as well. Um Yeah. and he called me back
and that's why and I could and I thought
[35:27] we did something because I knew I we met
I'd met him out there a long a year ago
[35:31] and then I couldn't remember what we did
so I said hey me and Mr. Murphy go meet
[35:34] with him. So, you know, he wanted it uh
wanted it lowered from 30 to 25.
[35:39] » Is it one lane?
>> No.
[35:42] » Oh, I mean, I can see the difference
there, but I mean 20 miles an hour,
[35:46] football players run 22.
>> Well, I mean, we see I've got 20. It's
[35:51] got the curve. It's up there where the
animal farms at. Yeah. So, they get
[35:55] visitors coming in, I guess. Well, no.
It's used to be where the animal farms
[36:01] over there now, but
>> but evidently Blake goes through there
[36:04] going home. What is that?
>> I don't think he goes through there
[36:06] going home.
>> Yeah, cuz he was going to meet with us
[36:08] that day if you remember.
>> Well, he did, but I mean surely he takes
[36:11] Stacial Road. I wouldn't be going
through there to take You got Stacial
[36:13] Road cuz he lives on Greenville.
>> He says on my way.
[36:17] » So, I just I didn't know that.
>> But anyway, I mean I I
[36:22] mean, unless y'all want to go with it. I
mean,
[36:25] » well, the I think it is
>> that resolution we had, you know,
[36:29] » if there's a thousand homes on it, we
got to get what we say 25 to 30.
[36:34] » Okay. I see.
>> And if there's six or seven homes on it,
[36:36] then if four or five say Yeah. then we
could look at that. But now that's
[36:41] that's just what we put in place.
>> Somebody may correct me, but is that
[36:45] what we did there?
>> I mean, we've already got 30 mph on I
[36:48] mean, you you get a mile almost 2 miles
worth of 20 mph when there ain't but
[36:54] about four homes through there in that
section anyway. I mean,
[36:58] » okay.
>> So, I'm I'll leave that with y'all.
[37:02] Whatever you think. What you say to the
board
[37:06] going from 30 to 25.
>> Leave it.
[37:10] » Got a motion to leave it. Is there a
second?
[37:15] » Cuz I'm going to let him call you when
he calls me. You don't really have to do
[37:18] anything if you just going to leave it.
>> Yeah.
[37:20] » Okay. Right. Okay. Yeah. So, I'm going
to let him call y'all cuz he cuz he
[37:24] worried my tail out. So,
>> who is it?
[37:27] » It's that u Oh, the roofer. I can't even
think of his name.
[37:33] » I can't even. You know, he called about
the 20 mph up there on the hill trying
[37:38] to We went up there and put the
It's the one that I think he called you
[37:43] several times.
>> Okay, that's fine. Well, I guess I just
[37:47] want to know bottom line, and I'm not
trying to beat this, but if he if we
[37:51] tell him if he gets everybody on the
road to agree to do to 25 that you're
[37:55] fine with that, right?
>> Yeah. I mean, you're just changing the
[37:58] sign. I mean,
>> on on my side, the reason I took Mr.
[38:02] Murphy out there without saying it goes
from 30 to 25, it don't mean a hill of
[38:05] means to me. I I mean, that's what the
guy wants. I mean, I mean, it's not want
[38:10] to bother nobody.
Yeah, I I understand what you're saying,
[38:13] but 25 25 is reasonable, but
>> it's we're going to 20. How many rules
[38:19] we got?
>> No, no, I'm going to 25. I told
[38:22] » you said 20.
>> I told you we wasn't going to 20. I said
[38:25] we do. 25 we go. 25 is part.
>> I take it to 25. I'll make a motion we
[38:32] go to 25. Oh, that's your I'm sorry.
That's yours, isn't it?
[38:35] » Yeah. Whatever Terry wants to do.
>> I said leave it alone.
[38:39] » All right.
All right. Next.
[38:42] » Uh,
so we got the budget a minute. Okay.
[38:47] Only other things I've got, we're we're
doing our general maintenance, doing
[38:50] patch work, slow moss. We're running in
doing some equipment work on our
[38:54] equipment. And other than that, that's
that's all I've got.
[38:59] » Anything else, Mr. Murphy?
>> That's it. Motion to approve.
[39:03] » Second.
>> All in favor say I. I.
[39:07] » Mayor. Mayor, I don't have anything, but
I need to confirm we did the road list
[39:13] last month of November because it's
supposed to be approved by the county
[39:17] court in January.
>> We just done today. Just right here.
[39:21] » I think we did before you walked in.
>> Yeah.
[39:22] » Well, good.
>> Yeah. We just So, it be in the pack.
[39:26] That's all I'm
>> Yeah. Usually, you're here early, but
[39:30] you was a little late today.
>> Well, the mayor left me with somebody
[39:32] that I had to talk to while he slipped
out.
[39:36] He's setting me up.
>> Motion to adjourn.
[39:40] » Any old business?
Any new business?