[6:51] 
[8:18] But.
[8:18] All right I pledge
allegiance to the flag
[8:26] of the United states of
America and to the Republic
[8:29] for which it stands.
[8:30] One nation under God.
[8:32] Indivisible.
[8:33] With liberty and
justice for all.
[8:35] Thank you.
[8:36] Congratulation, guys
Roll call, please.
[8:42] Commissioner rocky here.
[8:44] Commissioner Dami you
hear Commissioner Rowley
[8:47] Hear Vice Mayor Caputo here.
[8:49] Mayor Newton, you're addressing
changes of regulations
[8:52] for tonight's meeting.
[8:53] Anyone hearing?
[8:55] None.
[8:55] I'll move on All right I
don't know if anybody knows,
[9:00] but this week is police week.
[9:03] National police Week, and i had
the honor last week in the city
[9:12] to be at Broward College
for Public safety,
[9:14] where all the police officers
are really become police people,
[9:18] become police officers
in our county.
[9:20] When you're going to school
here and we were the host city
[9:24] this year where the police
memorial for Broward County
[9:30] it was an honor to give the
speech guest speaker for that.
[9:34] The only tough thing was it was
it was to remember the 105 83
[9:40] officers that have died in
Broward County and seven
[9:45] of the police dogs
that have died
[9:46] in Broward County since the
inception of Broward County.
[9:49] And i just thought that
was an awful lot of I
[9:53] know we've been around
a while, but just
[9:54] seems to be like a
lot of men and women
[9:57] that have been killed
in the line of duty
[10:00] and in just Broward county.
[10:03] So it was an honor to do that.
[10:05] Chief you and your team did a
great job on the color guard
[10:10] and a lot of the things
they did for that event.
[10:12] There.
[10:13] So thank you very much for that
Whereas there are more than
[10:18] 800,000 law enforcement officers
serving in communities across
[10:21] the United States, including
a dedicated professionals
[10:24] of the Wilton Manors Police
Department who are passionately
[10:28] committed to serving
our community Whereas,
[10:31] despite their staffs challenges,
there were a total of nine
[10:34] assaults against Wilton
Manors officers in 2023,
[10:38] five assaults in 2024,
representing an approximate 42%
[10:44] decrease over a two year
period, compared to 12
[10:48] assaults reported in 2001.
[10:51] Since the first recorded
death in 1786 more than 24,067
[10:58] law enforcement officers.
[10:59] Throughout u.S. history have
made the ultimate sacrifice
[11:02] and have been killed in the line
of duty The names of the Two
[11:07] $24,400 well fallen officer
engraved on the walls
[11:10] of the National law Enforcement
Officer Memorial in Washington,
[11:14] D.C. Whereas in 2025, the names
of 345 officers who were killed
[11:22] in line of duty were added to
the National law Enforcement
[11:25] and Memorial that
includes 148 officers
[11:29] killed in 2024, as
well as 197 officers
[11:33] killed in previous years.
[11:35] Whereas Broward County
Law Enforcement Memorial
[11:37] was held on May two seven,
2025, and hosted by Wilt Manors
[11:41] police Department.
[11:42] Whereas service and
sacrifice of all officers,
[11:45] line of duty fatalities were be
honored during the national law
[11:48] enforcement officer
Memorial Fund 37 Candlelight
[11:51] vigil Village Vigil.
[11:53] Vigil Sorry.
[11:55] On the evening of May 13.
[11:57] And.
[11:58] Whereas, the annual candlelight
vigil is part of the National
[12:00] Police Week, which will be
observed beginning on Sunday,
[12:04] May 11th through
Saturday may 17th.
[12:07] Whereas May 15th is
designated as peace officers,
[12:09] Memorial Day in honor
of all fallen officers,
[12:12] their family is and
U.S. flag should
[12:15] be flown at half staff in honor
of the National Police Week.
[12:18] And to recognize willimantic
Police Department officers.
[12:21] Our city hall police station
will be eliminated in blue.
[12:25] Now, therefore be
played by the city.
[12:26] What matters the week of May
11th through the 1725 designated
[12:31] National police Week.
[12:34] Assistant Chief, thank you for
all you do and your officers
[12:37] for a city will manners.
[12:38] Thank you sir.
[12:47] But I see you.
[12:48] Come up to I think
you guys probably
[13:02] did all the right All right.
[13:34] Presentations City manager.
[13:37] Thank you.
[13:38] You.
[13:39] I'm going to ask Director
Sanchez to introduce this item.
[13:41] Please good evening, DIA
Sanchez, Human Resources
[13:50] director for nearly
Three years, Circuit
[13:53] has operated within
our city limits,
[13:55] providing a fun mode
of transportation
[13:57] for what manners residents
and visitors They're low
[14:00] cost eco friendly rides have
been embraced by the community,
[14:04] offering a safe means
of navigating our island
[14:07] city at the request of
the city commission,
[14:10] we have Jason bagley, partner
and VP of Strategic Growth
[14:14] here to give a brief
presentation on circuits
[14:17] 2020 for operational
and rider data.
[14:20] Jason and I are also available.
[14:22] Any questions the Commission may
have following the presentation
[14:25] Jason okay All right.
[14:35] Thank you.
[14:36] Do good evening Mayor, Vice,
Mayor and Commissioners.
[14:40] Jason Bagley,
partner with Circuit
[14:41] here to give an update for our
2024 results for our program
[14:47] here in the city, Wilton Manors
starting with a quick overview.
[14:52] Our service coverage area is all
city limits are schedule is here
[14:59] Posted Monday through
Tuesday 11 a.m. to nine,
[15:03] Wednesday to Saturday,
noon to 11 p.m.
[15:05] Sunday 11 to 11.
[15:07] We have refined these hours a
little bit over the three years,
[15:09] but I think we've landed
on the most impactful
[15:13] to the community we have
four vehicles in the fleet.
[15:16] There's two of the gem
neighborhood electric vehicles
[15:19] that you see on the photo We
recently added an eV sedan
[15:23] and then we also have an aDA
gem gem that operates on standby
[15:28] until it's requested.
[15:30] Services $2 per rider The
vehicle that we added in March,
[15:37] there was some issues
where we couldn't bring
[15:39] the gems to a couple streets.
[15:41] I think it was northeast
and northwest 30th caught.
[15:44] It would involve
the drivers having
[15:46] to go out on Oakland
Park Boulevard
[15:47] to access those streets.
[15:49] So we saw an opportunity
for opportunity
[15:51] to replace one of
the gems with this eV
[15:54] sedan that can go anywhere.
[15:56] It has a much greater
battery range.
[15:58] So we can charge at once.
[16:00] And it and it gets through
an entire day with plenty
[16:03] of mileage to spare.
[16:04] It can be driven on
those major roads,
[16:07] which means more direct routes.
[16:09] And we were able to finally
cover those two those streets
[16:13] that we weren't able
to access before.
[16:15] I will note that this also
opens up the opportunity.
[16:17] We've spoken with the
city over the years
[16:20] about potentially trying
to connect to the beach.
[16:22] So by having a vehicle that can
go on Oakland Park Boulevard
[16:25] or A-1, A, we have the potential
if you wanted to open up
[16:28] that opportunity
for two residents,
[16:31] whether it be on certain
days or certain hours,
[16:34] but we'll just
leave it out there
[16:35] that that is an
option we could create
[16:37] a higher rate to go to
the beach, a higher fare
[16:40] to the rider.
[16:42] We also updated we have a
new data portal that we share
[16:46] with Doe which gives them real
time access to go in and look
[16:49] at the data and generate
reports around you know,
[16:53] certain days or
times of the day.
[16:56] And it also gives quick insights
of how many riders per hour.
[17:00] What our average wait time
is This is also provided
[17:03] in a monthly data report that we
share but this gives continuous
[17:08] access to that information
And as we look at 2020
[17:12] for our average, we did over
3,000 riders a month The program
[17:17] has created ten local jobs.
[17:19] But 35% of our rides are pools
One of the most impressive
[17:24] metrics I think, is the average
wait time is 6 to 7 minutes,
[17:27] and we've been able to maintain
that long term considering it
[17:31] is a fairly wide area with
only Three cars on the road.
[17:34] I think that's pretty impressive
with the numbers that we have
[17:37] able to complete as well And
here's just an overall snapshot,
[17:42] 41,000 passengers moved in 2024.
[17:45] Average driver
rating, 4.9, Five out
[17:48] of five stars on the App Store.
[17:50] Again, average wait times
Six minutes, 48 seconds.
[17:53] And the average user age is
54 and Wilton Manors this is
[18:00] a month by month overview
showing the peak months in march
[18:05] and May and just a chart of our
ridership with total requires
[18:12] completed trips and
total passengers
[18:17] a little bit more insight
busiest times 5 to 7 p.m..
[18:20] We've seen that consists
utterly throughout this the life
[18:23] of this program.
[18:25] Busiest day is no
surprise Friday, Saturday,
[18:28] Sunday and again March and May.
[18:30] Some of the busiest months,
we can get really granular
[18:32] with the data and see the
top pick up and drop off
[18:35] destinations with Heatmaps And
our survey that we conducted
[18:42] and some of the good results
here are 93% of riders
[18:45] think that circuits are a great
addition to the community 80%
[18:50] help it helps them drive less.
[18:52] I know a lot of people are
coming staying at Airbnbs
[18:54] than know that they don't need
to rent a car now to get around.
[18:57] 70% of the ride
is here are local,
[18:59] so it's always great to
see a little bit more
[19:04] on the survey results
Again, 71% live in the area.
[19:09] And then some of
the use cases where
[19:12] people have taken the service.
[19:14] So, again, no big surprises
here Some testimony animals
[19:23] and some great photos
of the partnership I'm
[19:27] happy to answer any questions,
any questions for anyone
[19:33] So good Yeah.
[19:35] Thank you.
[19:36] Just a quick question.
[19:37] You one of the One
of the slides for you
[19:41] talked about riders
and then unique users.
[19:43] You distinguish between the two.
[19:44] What does that mean?
[19:45] That's how many different
people download the app
[19:47] and are unique user.
[19:49] So there'll be a lot
of repetitive use.
[19:51] You know, one person may
use the service every day,
[19:54] but that extrapolates
out the how
[19:56] many different
unique accounts or
[19:58] associated with this location.
[20:00] OK And at any given
time, how many vehicles
[20:03] or actually how many vehicles
are available to ours?
[20:07] Typically three vehicles on
the road three on the road.
[20:10] But we're not.
[20:11] Ada, stand by.
[20:12] Is if it's requested, we'll
swap out to that vehicle.
[20:15] So we would swap
out to that vehicle.
[20:17] So three would be the max.
[20:18] Yes OK.
[20:20] I'm not sure if it's
a question for you,
[20:22] but we have five electronic
vehicles stations
[20:26] and I guess i just
question why we have five.
[20:29] If there's either
3 or 4 vehicles,
[20:31] but may not be a question for
you going to jump We have five.
[20:43] So that we could charge
all three vehicles
[20:45] as well as the ADA vehicle.
[20:47] There are times that some
of those charging stations
[20:50] can be faulty so that
provides always access
[20:54] to all vehicles to charge.
[20:56] We also have an employee
charging program
[20:58] that those Chargers
are available to.
[21:02] OK Thank.
[21:02] Thank you.
[21:04] Are all of the electronic
vehicles stations
[21:07] are they fast chargers Are they
all charging at the same rate?
[21:12] I remember at one point,
they were not Yeah,
[21:15] Everything now is a
level two fast charger.
[21:17] OK Yeah.
[21:18] All right.
[21:18] Thank you, sir But yeah, thank
you for the presentation.
[21:22] So I know you had some
key takeaways on there.
[21:24] Yep.
[21:25] And how do you use
those key takeaways
[21:27] to turn into useful insights
or improve efficiencies
[21:31] And you mentioned something
about possibly changing times.
[21:34] Yeah.
[21:34] I mean that's been the
evolution over the three years.
[21:37] I think we've done
a lot of that.
[21:38] We start collecting
data and then we can
[21:40] refine the approach from there.
[21:42] We have done that
with service hours,
[21:44] the zone is another one
that's usually changed,
[21:47] but You all have orders
of a of an island.
[21:49] So that was an easy One.
[21:51] We've always covered
the entire city limits,
[21:54] but Yeah, just looking
at these insights
[21:57] there's trends that we've seen
year over year now that we've
[21:59] been here this long, but we
work closely with Deo and Nick
[22:03] and talk about any
kind of changes
[22:05] that we might want to make.
[22:06] I don't think there's
any been anything huge
[22:08] over the last couple of months,
but it's all showing in the data
[22:12] and can be evaluated and
something that we're looking to
[22:14] shows obviously
definitely from 5 to 7.
[22:16] But later on as well.
[22:18] Can you explain to the residents
why you don't go past 11:00 We
[22:25] have as a company, we
typically don't run
[22:28] later than midnight
so we could be
[22:31] doing that here if you'd like.
[22:33] That's just a and it's something
we may want to consider.
[22:36] I think we'll get started.
[22:37] The program, we were told
at least I was told I
[22:39] don't know about anybody else.
[22:40] So it's circuit doesn't
operate after 11.
[22:42] Yeah, we have I
think since then, we
[22:44] have added some locations
where we may want
[22:46] to consider right that 11 a.m.
[22:48] time doesn't really seem
to be overly overly.
[22:53] It's not a really popular.
[22:54] You could also keep
the hours and just
[22:56] have one car in the
morning and have,
[22:59] you know, save those hours for
later to go to extend beyond 11.
[23:03] You know what I'm saying?
[23:04] Just shift hours around.
[23:05] Related to that you're
saying it's 11:00 use,
[23:07] but often it stops at 11.
[23:08] So that would be when
something dropped off after.
[23:10] And I'm saying it's not
really used 11 in the morning,
[23:13] just later on in the evening.
[23:14] Yeah One thing
that I'd like just
[23:16] to see the Times to that
conversation in particular
[23:19] is obviously, right now we
see like, you know that 910,
[23:22] it starts to trail off.
[23:23] But I would imagine if you were
to filter this data down to just
[23:26] Friday and Saturday
as a percentage
[23:28] those are much higher, right?
[23:29] So if we're talking
about going to midnight
[23:31] we would do that maybe
on a Friday or Saturday.
[23:33] Not not not.
[23:33] Yeah.
[23:34] And that's typically
what it would be.
[23:35] It's just Friday Saturday night
We can extend those hours.
[23:38] I think that's something
I'd like to see
[23:40] us look at doing potentially.
[23:41] So we have less people
potentially drinking and driving
[23:43] in during our busiest times
and just from some personal use
[23:47] with the app I've noticed
it could be a little glitchy
[23:50] and right it pops up and it
shows it's three minutes away.
[23:55] Order it.
[23:55] And then all of a
sudden, it's all
[23:57] the way on the other side of the
city, and it's 20 minutes away.
[23:59] And that's all you
end up canceling.
[24:01] Have you worked on.
[24:02] I brought this up in the past.
[24:03] We are, Yeah.
[24:03] I mean, we've had
about 40 app updates
[24:05] in the last year and a half, so
it's constantly being worked on.
[24:08] We are aware of that.
[24:10] You know we've heard it.
[24:11] And we are addressing it.
[24:13] So we're working with
our development team
[24:17] to find any of those updates.
[24:18] That's going to improve that.
[24:19] You know the service
to everybody.
[24:20] Perfect Thank you.
[24:22] I like the program.
[24:23] Thank you.
[24:23] It's very good program.
[24:24] Thank you.
[24:25] You.
[24:25] Just one question
I have is I know
[24:27] you talked about the car can
be used all day long Yeah,
[24:30] but the carts I know in the
past maybe some of the Chargers,
[24:36] some of the batteries are bad.
[24:37] Yeah, it's that
part is unacceptable
[24:40] because, you know,
we have drivers
[24:42] that are there ready to go,
and they come in, they're dead.
[24:44] Yeah, they can't use them.
[24:45] And then there's one less.
[24:46] That's on the road
that we're paying for.
[24:48] Make sure that
they're theirs I want
[24:51] to make sure we clean that up.
[24:52] I mean can you get stronger
batteries for that?
[24:54] I think well, I think we've
gotten to a much better spot
[24:56] with the new chartstring
that's out there.
[24:58] That's, I think that's remedied
pretty much everything.
[25:00] And we have Bob McClure,
our location manager here
[25:03] who knows better than anybody.
[25:04] But I think those
are our issues.
[25:06] Maybe six months
ago, but the charging
[25:09] has not been an issue since OK.
[25:11] I just to make sure
I know charging
[25:12] as much as the batteries, I know
you can buy better batteries
[25:15] than others and they last
longer and get charged faster
[25:18] and all that is from make
sure that we keep up on that.
[25:20] Because I know in
the past i've I've
[25:22] gone to talk to the drivers.
[25:24] Yeah.
[25:25] For the last couple of years
and they love being there
[25:28] and all this.
[25:28] There's sometimes they get
there and the charger in charge
[25:31] or the battery was bad and it's
been a couple of days We really
[25:35] need to have if we supposed
to have three cars on there
[25:38] that we should have three
cards Four completely
[25:39] understand and agree.
[25:40] Then just one other comment.
[25:42] So i don't know how
it is for other cities
[25:44] specifically for our city.
[25:46] What's the policy
If someone like
[25:47] is just standing on Wilton Drive
and the carts going by empty
[25:51] can they flag it down?
[25:52] That's what we would
typically allow that, yes
[25:55] And that's an
opportunity to give
[25:57] somebody the QR code to download
the app for their next trip.
[26:00] So absolutely unless you didn't
want us to do that, we would
[26:03] always take a walk up personally
where I was told no order it
[26:06] from the app and literally the
guy was waiting, sitting there
[26:09] for ride Well, the only thing
that comes up there to me as
[26:13] well, so maybe it's just an
educational Yeah, well, it's
[26:16] also a fare collection thing is
that we're not in that instance,
[26:19] we would not take cash.
[26:21] Yeah.
[26:22] But again i would always
lean towards the let's
[26:24] get somebody using the service.
[26:25] And then next time they're
going to use the app, right?
[26:28] So I think as a as a way to, you
know, bills are $2 per rider.
[26:32] Does that go to the city Does
that does that get split?
[26:35] That's I think that's a split.
[26:37] But after the credit
card processing fees,
[26:39] I think we had to add
our fare guarantee.
[26:41] I can get that from the city.
[26:43] Yeah.
[26:43] OK, good.
[26:44] You have a credit card.
[26:46] I'm sorry, but can you.
[26:47] Can't you have a
credit card swipe or a.
[26:50] We've done it.
[26:50] It's just a lot for the drivers
to to handle a swipe card
[26:54] or where working on
some tap technology
[26:56] Now we're looking at speaking
with a couple of companies
[26:58] that might do that.
[26:59] OK But we've also
done things where
[27:01] the rider could just
scan a QR code on the car
[27:04] and make the payment.
[27:05] So the driver.
[27:05] So we have a couple
of things like that.
[27:07] We're testing it, right?
[27:07] Right.
[27:07] It's always getting new or new.
[27:09] Yeah.
[27:09] I think that when we launched
the program part of it was you
[27:12] could just flag it
down, and we didn't
[27:14] really care about the fee.
[27:16] Yeah.
[27:16] So at the beginning,
yeah, because we
[27:18] get to see how well it's right.
[27:19] Yeah.
[27:19] I'm just saying right now.
[27:21] I love the service.
[27:22] I think it's great I have
a couple of questions.
[27:25] Some of these if these are
contractual or pass kind of what
[27:27] you can speak to, we I can
certainly handle the city
[27:31] manager separately, but
when it comes to the sedan,
[27:35] it sounds like that potentially
is a more effective vehicle
[27:40] in terms of its availability.
[27:42] The time to charge
etc. is the total cost
[27:44] of ownership significantly
more for that
[27:46] than it's a little bit more.
[27:47] It's about 10% more so but it's
10% more on the streets A kid?
[27:51] Yeah, it could be for
sure in the contract.
[27:53] Who bears the cost of
putting in a vehicle?
[27:55] Is that do we ultimately
bear that cost?
[27:57] It's our choice.
[27:58] Or is that something you decide?
[27:59] Well, the contract
was for the vehicles
[28:01] that we started with
for those GM vehicles.
[28:03] I don't think at the time we
were even doing other vehicles
[28:06] But we're happy
to do an amendment
[28:08] If you're thinking of
a okay, so, you know,
[28:11] maybe you could speak to this.
[28:12] OK I think to answer the
question of the current fleet,
[28:16] I negotiate that with circuit.
[28:18] There is no additional cost
to the city for that sedan
[28:21] that we have right now.
[28:22] So we are continuing
to pay the same amount
[28:24] as when we had the three GM
vehicles But at some point,
[28:29] there's the contract
expires will renew it.
[28:31] That may change because the
vehicle wasn't available.
[28:33] That is correct.
[28:33] OK Are there any disadvantages
to using the sedan I think
[28:40] there's a couple of things.
[28:42] It's not as many seats.
[28:43] It's not as convenient
where everybody gets
[28:46] their own door in the GM car.
[28:47] It doesn't stand out as much.
[28:49] Yeah branding is it's tougher
to sell advertising on a sedan
[28:53] than it is on the
GM car So that's
[28:55] why I think most
of our location ins
[28:57] are doing mixed fleets now
So you have a couple of each.
[29:00] And we can on the back end of
our app we can create sub zones
[29:05] and tether specific vehicles to
a specific zone where we know
[29:08] we don't want the GM
to go to the beach,
[29:10] for example It could do just,
you know wealth and drive area
[29:14] There's a lot of flexibility
in the technology to set
[29:16] that up however you want.
[29:17] So maybe worth looking at a
second sedan and keep one.
[29:21] GM But there's a lot
of things we can do.
[29:24] And I would say
beyond that First car
[29:26] that we replace there
would be an increased cost
[29:30] to swap out other person.
[29:31] So right now.
[29:32] You've got this wait
time of 6 or 7 minutes.
[29:35] That does not include trips that
you canceled because the wait
[29:37] time is too long, obviously.
[29:38] Right?
[29:39] Because you couldn't
average in a time.
[29:40] If that the wait
didn't happen Yeah
[29:43] Do you have stats on the
number of I I love this.
[29:46] I love the service.
[29:46] But there's during peak
times more than a few times
[29:49] i've canceled because it
was going to be like 20
[29:51] minutes or something like that.
[29:52] And that's what.
[29:52] Excuse the number down.
[29:54] No I totally understand.
[29:55] And it's all fair
That's what we're
[29:57] going to see on some of
those five to seven o'clock
[30:01] hours on a Friday or Saturday.
[30:03] But you have the data on
how many rides you cancel.
[30:05] We do is it something
you can tell us now,
[30:08] or is that not available?
[30:08] I mean, it's in we can see on
one of these stat lines here,
[30:12] it shows me say
right here, right.
[30:16] So you see the canceled is
basically the difference
[30:21] between the completed and the
total request So the difference
[30:24] between the light green
line and the orange
[30:27] Right, which looks like it's
a significant number, Right.
[30:29] So it's a transmitter
at all canceled.
[30:31] It's canceled.
[30:32] Miss canceled by the rider
canceled by the driver.
[30:35] So it's everything
rolled up Okay.
[30:37] We know that was
canceled by the driver.
[30:39] Really?
[30:39] I mean, that shouldn't.
[30:41] Yeah, that's happening.
[30:41] Right.
[30:41] So canceled by the person.
[30:43] Yeah, we all know my math
up here is not the best.
[30:44] But looking at the peak from
3900 to 2700, that's Yeah,
[30:49] it's like 1,200 roughly, which
is almost 40% of the things got
[30:54] canceled, presumably in many
cases, because of a long
[30:56] wait time Yeah.
[30:57] Is how does our cancellation
rate compare to other cities
[31:00] You guys It's I think
it's right on track
[31:03] with the other
cities in this area.
[31:05] And quite honestly,
a lot of this
[31:07] is a function of just supply
and demand that we have
[31:10] so many requests out
of these peak times
[31:13] that we should have six
cars out there where
[31:15] within the constraints
of I realize we're
[31:17] the ones setting the budget for
how many vehicles are out there.
[31:19] So I'm not holding you back
more, but there's other level.
[31:21] There's other levers to
you could increase the cost
[31:23] on those this Friday
Saturday night could be $4
[31:25] or eight instead of $2.
[31:27] Right and bring in another car.
[31:29] Yeah Or bring in another
car for certain days.
[31:31] Yeah.
[31:32] Yeah So maybe, look,
we could potentially
[31:34] look at doing
something like that
[31:35] or if the vehicle is
the reason is that one's
[31:37] still see that can be out.
[31:38] I mean, we can schedule
hours during that.
[31:41] But it's missing two
seats for the position
[31:43] but still then has go forward.
[31:44] Yeah, I mean, it's the driver
has asked for two basically.
[31:47] Yeah Yeah.
[31:48] As effective as the sedan.
[31:49] Oh, it's just one seat.
[31:51] It's just on.
[31:51] There is a new, a new
requirement that there's
[31:54] only one other seat.
[31:56] So.
[31:56] So it only seats one
person essentially.
[31:58] But yeah.
[32:01] OK.
[32:01] OK.
[32:02] What's that?
[32:03] Clarify it within the
rideshare industry
[32:05] is there a stat
like Uber and left
[32:08] or on a 10% cancellation
rate after imagine
[32:09] it's a fraction of this I'm
sure it's a fraction of this.
[32:12] OK so many more
of them out there.
[32:13] And and their rates
are a lot higher.
[32:15] Yeah.
[32:16] The they balance everything
out with their fares.
[32:18] Yeah.
[32:18] Well, it's interesting
because we have the Uber ride
[32:20] discount code on the weekends.
[32:22] So it's cheaper for, for me
often to use the discount
[32:25] code and Uber than it is to me.
[32:26] Take care.
[32:27] Circuit when it's to people.
[32:28] Yeah but, but that's, again
that's not, that's not,
[32:30] that's not if you're on, you
know, the fort lot of Dallas
[32:33] uses circuit right.
[32:34] Is there any consideration
for being able to partner.
[32:37] So there's like a transfer
over to get people
[32:39] to the beach you know we sort of
meet our zones, meet together.
[32:41] Yeah.
[32:42] I think that I think
that's absolutely
[32:44] a discussion to be had.
[32:45] And we have a great
relationship with the city.
[32:47] We're already
crossing I mean, we're
[32:49] doing everything from galt
Mile Lauderdale by the sea
[32:54] so we're going pretty far down.
[32:56] There is a little bit of a gap
south of Oakland Park Boulevard
[33:00] but we're covering most of it.
[33:02] And I think that there'd
be open to that discussion.
[33:04] And it's an easy transfer
even going from here,
[33:06] say, to like Los all us
right or something like that.
[33:08] Potentially we could if
they meet that instance,
[33:11] I would definitely recommend.
[33:12] OK Vans or SUVs.
[33:14] We're doing all those now.
[33:15] OK.
[33:16] Because I think I think I
think if our cancellation
[33:17] rates so high.
[33:18] It is to have a
vehicle be gone to go
[33:20] to the beach to take it
out of commission for 15,
[33:22] 20 minutes is too much.
[33:23] But if there's a partnership
with Fort Lauderdale, you know,
[33:25] their businesses
are benefiting or
[33:27] the beach is
benefiting, that may
[33:28] be something we're considering.
[33:29] I would just note, I
don't think the beach
[33:31] trips would be impact that
much because during the day.
[33:34] We're not that busy
We get busy at night
[33:36] and that car would be
onto necessarily going
[33:38] to the beach at
night or I didn't
[33:39] envision it doing that more
for daytime beach trips.
[33:42] It's interesting.
[33:43] But anyway, the
and i probably I've
[33:45] just had a One off
random experience,
[33:47] but a lot of times when
i've gone to use it,
[33:48] which were not peak
hours, you know I guess.
[33:50] Yeah five, maybe five minutes
to get in there, you know.
[33:53] But I think that that's
still a beach time, at least
[33:55] coming back from the beach.
[33:56] But you know, so it's something
to look into Lastly, we have
[34:00] a basically like a revenue
share type contract radio
[34:03] and that includes
everything, including
[34:04] the wrapping of vehicle is
digital that or the advertising,
[34:07] etc.
[34:08] How much in digital this.
[34:10] Maybe I should question for him.
[34:11] How much in digital ads have
you run in your app next?
[34:13] Did not notice visual ads.
[34:14] Not much Yeah Yeah your the
wrapping I think is a fair price
[34:17] your rate for those digital ads.
[34:18] I got it's absolutely ludicrous.
[34:20] It's not at all competitive
in the market at all.
[34:22] It's like wildly gone you know.
[34:24] But i think that's a real
opportunity, you know,
[34:26] to look at that.
[34:26] I'll, I'll speak
I'll win on that one.
[34:28] Thanks for the feedback
I kind of love it.
[34:31] Think it's great.
[34:32] It's really an awesome addition.
[34:33] Thank you.
[34:33] And I'm happy to set up
a meeting with the city
[34:35] of Fort Lauderdale just to note
their service right now is free.
[34:39] We're trying to get
them to turn off around,
[34:41] so maybe this would
be a good opportunity
[34:43] to make some connections there.
[34:46] But thank you so much I
think everybody in the city
[34:49] uses circuit, really enjoys it.
[34:51] I think all of us here have used
it to go somewhere in the city.
[34:55] So keep up the good
work Thank you so much.
[34:58] Thank you, dear.
[34:58] You too All right.
[35:02] One of the things I want to
say before coming to the public
[35:04] not last Sunday was Navy Week.
[35:08] And Cathy from overseas
cafe on Oakland Park.
[35:11] She's a well-mannered
She got together with me.
[35:16] And we with the city manager.
[35:19] And we got the
Hague and Park here
[35:21] and we served Hundreds sailors
for dinner a week Sunday.
[35:26] And after that, Nora
and I went to 25 sailors
[35:32] and went down the
drive and showed them
[35:34] the drive and the different bars
and what a what a great time
[35:38] they had going down
Wilton Drive and seeing
[35:42] the support and the
smiles and the come on in.
[35:46] Let's get you a drink, you
know, and let's have a shot at
[35:49] and blah, blah, blah.
[35:50] And by 10:00, some of
the people that were
[35:54] in the Navy here,
they were like,
[35:55] I'm a little nervous going in.
[35:57] And this and that and the
other By the other night.
[36:00] This one big burly navy
man, he comes up to me goes,
[36:04] This is the best night
I've ever had in my life
[36:08] So the warmth and the and
that what the people have,
[36:13] what manners do to
make life just better
[36:16] here proved that
that night when we
[36:18] went around with those
sailors and did that.
[36:20] So all the bars and restaurants
that asked us to come in
[36:24] and gave them food
and gave them drink,
[36:26] I went to thank them all for
what they did for our servicemen
[36:31] that put on their
lives, for their lives
[36:33] in line to protect our country.
[36:35] And I just want to make sure
everybody knew that Kathy
[36:38] from over E-Z cafe is the
one that put that on, got
[36:41] all the food donated, got all
the booze donated for him,
[36:43] and it was a wonderful night.
[36:46] So i think everybody
who got involved in it.
[36:49] Thank you.
[36:50] All right Comments from the
public, anyone from the poet
[36:52] come up and speaks, please state
your name and your address.
[36:57] And you have three minutes.
[36:59] Hi, Jubal Singer 411
Northeast 27th Street.
[37:03] Will banners I have and
keeping theme tonight
[37:08] with our lovely
entertainer at district
[37:10] and also our public safety.
[37:13] I think that's what makes
Wilton Manors special here.
[37:16] So we designed an app.
[37:18] It's called Wilton Drive It's
on currently available on iPhone
[37:23] and Android iD.
[37:24] We're in what's called a soft
launch because we're past beta
[37:27] but you can download it.
[37:29] We're in the process of
adding content to it.
[37:32] The app has local
business profiles
[37:35] It has nonprofit
resource a feature
[37:41] as well as a public
safety feature
[37:44] and we took the public
safety program Safe Places.
[37:48] And put it in.
[37:50] You can hit the button, and it
says to the local businesses
[37:53] that are part of the program.
[37:57] And it's an app for economic
development and public safety,
[38:01] but it's also wrapped in it
has a yearly calendar of events
[38:05] for the entertainment district
or things that are happening
[38:07] in the city this way, users will
keep coming back because they're
[38:11] used to they want to
go to the calendar
[38:13] right now we're partnering
with chambers of Commerce
[38:15] to upload businesses and
events to pad it with content.
[38:20] So we'll be officially
launched in about three months.
[38:23] But you can download it now and
look at the safe place feature
[38:25] and check it out.
[38:26] But it's not official yet.
[38:28] Also we are offering the
city and our partnership
[38:31] I met with the city
manager, Leanne,
[38:33] and out of that meeting we
decided that we were offer
[38:37] the city and our partnership
like 30 free profiles
[38:40] for their departments,
police department
[38:42] parks and recreations, etc.
[38:44] In exchange.
[38:45] We were hoping to work
with the police department
[38:48] and videotape the
safe Place program
[38:51] and put it in the app
for on demand video
[38:54] like you do college courses so
that business and restaurants
[38:58] can keep their employees up
to date by watching the video
[39:01] to keep the Safe Place program
Very active and compliant,
[39:05] but also the app will
absorb all liability
[39:09] So I know that's another issue.
[39:10] Public Safety liability.
[39:11] So that's why I gave the
city manager City Attorney,
[39:14] you have a copy of the
proposal All key people have
[39:16] a copy of the proposal
tonight and I'm
[39:19] hoping to move forward
working with the city
[39:21] and increase the
Safe Place program,
[39:23] also working with Seattle,
where the city worked
[39:27] with to get the program from.
[39:29] And they have over 400 cities
that are in this program.
[39:32] So if I succeed or we
succeed in what matters,
[39:36] imagine what this can do
for the rest of the cities
[39:39] in the programs So I
just wanted to share
[39:42] all that with you today.
[39:43] Again if you download it,
please be a little forgiving.
[39:45] We got a couple more months
before it's actually complete.
[39:48] Thank you very much.
[39:49] Thank you.
[39:50] Anyone else want to come up and
speak Good evening, Adrian Folan
[40:06] 440, Northeast 23rd Street.
[40:09] I was just reviewing
the calendar.
[40:12] The agenda and I'm glad to see
under the unfinished business
[40:16] the talk about the
rezoning and the land
[40:19] use It's great that I'm that
we're having this conversation
[40:23] because when I meet
with developers,
[40:26] I always have to
talk about the land
[40:28] use zoning and the
current use zoning
[40:32] or like the future land use.
[40:34] And this and that and you know,
I thank God Roberta and her team
[40:37] are always available to like
help me talk with people
[40:40] on what does it mean.
[40:42] And how do you manage
that difference.
[40:45] So I'm really happy to see that
we're going to talk about this
[40:48] and get them all in
synchronized fashion
[40:51] in the different
spot areas where
[40:53] we have this like ambiguity.
[40:55] Thank you.
[40:57] Thank you Robert.
[41:10] Mr. Robert, had they called
Angels National catholic Church
[41:13] at 1436 Northeast 26th Avenue,
What matters a month ago
[41:18] November My parish is
registered in Ward,
[41:20] something we talked about
prepared for However,
[41:23] we couldn't prepare
for what happened
[41:26] the rest of the meeting.
[41:27] A Sunday night
and think leads me
[41:28] to Sunday night's a person i see
a judge the morning, we wind up.
[41:32] Thanks to the kindness of
officer Steven and Julio
[41:35] that person of a person
was taken to fiancee
[41:37] so their personal
belongings should be taken
[41:39] and i have to go to the
county jail, lock up.
[41:41] The officer was
very kind and made
[41:43] the ride to the jail
pleasant and not
[41:44] a frightening experience.
[41:45] So thank you, Chief especially
Officer steve and Angela.
[41:49] Go team care and compassion
in the service of what matters
[41:53] Thank you Anyone
else like to speak
[42:04] Good evening Mike Sense of our
1425 northeast 23rd Street.
[42:08] I too.
[42:09] By the way, that sounds like a
great app That dude mentioned.
[42:13] I too to was going to address
item 11 be the rezoning as did
[42:21] my colleague I actually live in
that zone middle river plaza i
[42:26] live on northeast
23rd between where
[42:30] the metropolitan is
and 15 while you know
[42:35] my home is an r d ten zone.
[42:37] It's actually land
use tosee you know,
[42:41] I think it's good
that the commission go
[42:43] through the various
subdivisions of the city
[42:46] and try to make
sense The patchwork
[42:48] and the mismatching of
zoning with land use.
[42:52] Appreciate it.
[42:52] Makes sense of it,
especially for developers.
[42:55] And we're very keen on
trying to get development
[42:59] moving for our tax base.
[43:01] So where i live in
that little section,
[43:04] I would say it's 90% duplexes.
[43:08] I can think of maybe
six single family homes
[43:13] listed as a single family home.
[43:15] But I think every home on my
block and including a duplex
[43:20] townhomes, I think on 24th
there's a couple of single
[43:24] family homes, but not many.
[43:26] So changing it to Tosa
East would make sense.
[43:31] Also brings in column Sachi
and the piece of property
[43:33] that the city owns There
and we give the city
[43:36] more options for that property.
[43:38] So i'm in favor of this
I would like to hear
[43:42] future discussion on this.
[43:44] And I also think other areas
of city should be examined for,
[43:48] you know making
more sense of what
[43:50] seems to be somewhat
of an arc you know,
[43:54] system of zoning and land use.
[43:57] Thank you Thank you.
[43:59] Anyone else like to
speak I see none.
[44:02] Not close to public hearing
reports from boards Introduction
[44:07] and update by Parks
and Recreation Board.
[44:10] I think, John, you're the
leader of the board Come on up.
[44:16] Former Mayor Bill mears.
[44:19] Thank you.
[44:19] Mayor John Fiore
I share the Parks
[44:22] Rec Recreation Advisory board.
[44:25] I'm very honored to do it to
assist our outstanding Parks
[44:29] and Rec staff to have a
improve and improve the quality
[44:35] of our parks and to the
services that we provide
[44:37] to our residents and guests.
[44:38] And they do a great job.
[44:40] This last year, we had a
number of accomplishments.
[44:43] I'd like to go over
quickly with you.
[44:45] We reviewed and approved
the co-sponsorship,
[44:48] including events like the
plays of Walton our son
[44:52] serve and legacy builders.
[44:54] We reviewed and make
recommendations for the approval
[44:57] of the park name change from
Island City Park Reserve
[45:01] to Stafford Park reviewed and
made individual recommendations
[45:05] regarding the legal services
fee schedule review nominations
[45:10] for the levers leisure Services,
employee of the quarter
[45:13] and selected winners
for each quarter
[45:15] And that was really
difficult because we have
[45:17] really great employees there.
[45:19] We really do We also propose
ideas for future events and park
[45:23] design Review leaves are
services updates including
[45:27] incoming programs special events
and ongoing improvement projects
[45:32] and finally reviewed the rules
and regulation for what matters
[45:36] parks and recreation
facilities And that is
[45:40] our contribution for the year.
[45:43] All right.
[45:43] We're doing more of
them for you next year
[45:45] Thank Any questions for John
Thank you for your service.
[45:50] John are all your board
members here This one.
[45:56] This one, do do.
[45:59] Oh.
[46:00] Oh yeah.
[46:01] Robert That's right.
[46:02] Yeah.
[46:02] Well, I have some specific
appreciation for you
[46:05] and I'll get you your
three that are here.
[46:07] Elena, Robert.
[46:09] John, come on up
Thank you, John.
[46:16] This is John Thank
you, Elena You.
[46:29] You And think about
your on your board.
[46:40] You know, we started
the nonprofit works
[46:45] so the city can step
off the board and things
[46:51] like this You you
Already consent
[47:33] and any we hold
your in one motion.
[47:38] I'll make the motion
there a second.
[47:40] Second.
[47:41] I will second it.
[47:43] All right Call the first
by vice mayor caputo.
[47:48] Yes.
[47:48] Commissioner Dominio
Yes, Commissioner Rocky.
[47:51] Yes.
[47:52] Commissioner Rowley?
[47:52] Yes.
[47:53] I may renew in all right.
[47:56] Ordinance First Reading
Ordinance 2020 5-003.
[48:00] Please read an ordinance of
the City Commission of the city
[48:08] of Wilton Manors, Florida
Approving and authorizing
[48:11] the proper city officials
of the city of Wilton Manors
[48:14] to execute a charging
station lease agreement.
[48:17] An addendum with Abco Services
lLC for an Eva charging platform
[48:23] at City hall, providing
for a complex,
[48:25] providing for severability and
providing for an effective date.
[48:28] Thank you.
[48:29] You.
[48:29] There a motion?
[48:32] I'll make the
motion for a second.
[48:35] I will.
[48:35] Second City Manager
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.
[48:38] This project came out
of the city's goal
[48:40] of providing additional electric
vehicle charging stations
[48:44] for our community, as well as
identifying ongoing revenue
[48:47] sources This ordinance
authorizes a lease agreement
[48:51] with each to provide
electric vehicle
[48:54] charging stations at the city
hall and Hagan Park parking lot.
[48:57] Under the agreement.
[48:58] If we go with lease Eleven
parking spaces in the very rear
[49:03] of the lot adjacent to the
volleyball courts to provide
[49:07] the modern electric
charging stations,
[49:09] the three spots that they
currently use adjacent to Walton
[49:12] Drive will be converted
back to public parking Under
[49:16] the agreement, the
city will receive
[49:18] revenue per space the first
year revenue is $39,600.
[49:23] That will increase by 3%
every year of the contract.
[49:26] It's a 15 year term at
the end of the 15th year,
[49:30] the city will have
received over 736,000
[49:34] in revenue and the
agreement can be extended
[49:36] an additional Five years.
[49:38] The question is
for city manager.
[49:42] Good.
[49:42] Good.
[49:44] Yet Thank you building.
[49:47] It's our it was on
to back okay yes
[49:54] bad so I had a couple of
questions and comments
[50:00] I guess on page one
eight of the package.
[50:02] It's the staff
report under item D,
[50:05] it talks about ten additional
EV charging stations.
[50:11] And just for the record, I
don't think that's correct
[50:13] So we already have we
have three currently.
[50:17] We're going to 11, so I guess
that's eight additional.
[50:20] We have one station.
[50:22] But it takes three
spaces Right now, I see.
[50:27] OK.
[50:28] So so we are going to 11.
[50:32] How many vehicle charging
stations will there be ?
[50:40] Good evening.
[50:41] Deal.
[50:41] Sanchez Human Resources
Director, The plan
[50:44] is to build a new
chartstring station
[50:46] They will take 11 spaces.
[50:49] It will be ten charging
stations capable of charging
[50:51] ten vehicles at a time.
[50:53] The 11 space will be
utilized to create two ADA
[50:57] accessible charging stations.
[50:59] This charging station currently
charges one vehicle at a time
[51:04] but does take three
parking spaces.
[51:07] One said station is built, this
will be eliminated and converted
[51:11] back to regular parking.
[51:13] So we are going from one
charging station to ten.
[51:18] That is correct.
[51:19] OK.
[51:20] I guess i guess my concern we're
taking up 11 and park iNG spaces
[51:27] and then we also
have five spaces
[51:31] being utilized for circuit.
[51:32] It's 16 parking spaces I guess
I'm just concerned about using
[51:40] up so many parking spaces for
charging stations You know,
[51:44] it wasn't that long ago that we
just paid $1 million to put 23
[51:49] parking spaces on 11th Avenue.
[51:53] And here we using up
16 of them to do we
[51:57] know why we need
to go from 1 to 10.
[51:59] It just seems like a very large
jump and it's a very long term.
[52:04] It's a 15 year lease.
[52:06] There's two reasons.
[52:07] One, there is a lot of demand
for electric vehicle charging
[52:11] at times we have
up to five vehicles
[52:13] right now in
looking at proposals
[52:17] from different companies This
will not cost the city anything,
[52:21] but there is a an
investment from every go.
[52:24] So in order for them to be able
to offer the charging stations
[52:29] at no cost to the city, it
does require the commitment
[52:33] of the charging stations.
[52:34] And for that period
of time, it just
[52:36] seems like a very long lease.
[52:38] We actually reduced
that it was a bit longer
[52:41] and a higher amount, so we we
asked for the 15 year option
[52:46] with lower rates to cancel.
[52:49] And it does reduce if
we do need to cancel.
[52:53] We also have a
provision in there
[52:55] that if we decide to
redevelop this property
[52:58] the city does have the option
to relocate those Chargers
[53:00] to another location throughout
the city at our expense contract
[53:05] and not pay the
cancellation fee.
[53:08] I understand the revenue.
[53:10] We're saying is 39,600
for the first year.
[53:13] Do we know what the
loss to the revenue
[53:15] is from the parking
meter income?
[53:18] Absolutely.
[53:20] We used that area because it's
one of the most underutilized
[53:24] areas of the parking lot.
[53:26] It's usually busy Friday
and Saturday nights,
[53:28] but not during the
week We anticipated
[53:31] occupying less than 25% of
the year over the period
[53:37] of the term of this lease.
[53:39] It would be $262,000.
[53:41] If we assume those all
those parking spaces
[53:44] utilize at 25% of the time.
[53:46] I'm sorry, that's over
the term of the lease.
[53:48] And what would the revenue
be Over the terminal
[53:50] So that would be
the loss of parking.
[53:54] If we use it strictly for
parking and not charging.
[53:56] So 262,000 is the
loss and the total
[54:00] revenue 700 and
something The 15 year,
[54:05] it would be over 700, 700,000.
[54:07] OK So it's like a
$500,000 increase?
[54:10] Yes.
[54:11] And would this where
would this revenue
[54:16] go in the budget It would
go to the general fund
[54:20] because the parking
of the property itself
[54:23] is owned by the general fund.
[54:26] So it would go back
to the general fund
[54:27] I would expect it to go to
the parking and mobility fund.
[54:33] That's where the revenue
currently is going Right.
[54:35] For the 260,000 currently goes
to the parking and mobility.
[54:40] That's the potential that
we could be losing it.
[54:43] I'm not saying that that's what
we're bringing in right now.
[54:45] That's the potential.
[54:46] If it were utilized
at 25% of the time.
[54:48] Right.
[54:48] But anyway revenue that's
brought in from parking
[54:50] would go to the transportation
and mobility and parking.
[54:54] Yes So you're saying
this would not go there.
[54:57] So it would go to
the general fund?
[54:59] Yes, sir OK.
[55:01] We could split it, too.
[55:02] I mean, what why would it
go to the general fund?
[55:05] It's a it's a lease.
[55:07] The essentially paying
to lease the space.
[55:11] We could transfer that.
[55:12] We could make it the payment
transfer back to the parking
[55:15] fund or something.
[55:15] I mean, that's something a
commission would decide, right?
[55:17] Yes Yeah, that's just
our recommendation.
[55:19] It's a commission decision.
[55:20] It's a policy decision of
how the revenue is allocated.
[55:23] But we would
recommend general fund
[55:24] because it's a lease
of the space in line
[55:26] with just in line with that,
the spot that Ethan rents,
[55:30] Where does that go to leave?
[55:32] That is if that's a
lease, that's parking.
[55:36] But they're leasing
a parking spot.
[55:37] Why would that be different
I'm just throwing it out there.
[55:42] I'm not committed
one way or another.
[55:43] I just think that's for
consistency purposes Yeah.
[55:47] Yeah.
[55:47] And we don't it's
not like, you know
[55:49] so we're saying
because we own this,
[55:51] that we're getting
the lease payment.
[55:52] But we don't get a payment
for those other spaces that
[55:55] are in the parking program.
[55:56] Right?
[55:56] So it's, it's really one doesn't
lease from the general fund.
[55:59] So you you're correct.
[56:01] The parking fund is not least
the space from the general fund.
[56:05] OK.
[56:05] It ultimately, it's a
commission decision.
[56:08] As I say, we can put it
where we want to put it.
[56:09] So we.
[56:11] Okay, there's something
I wanted to bring back
[56:13] where the money's going to go.
[56:15] If it all going to go to
parking or is going to be split
[56:17] or whatever it might be that
has to be decided tonight
[56:23] You know, for me, if I was going
to approve something like this,
[56:26] I would want to,
frankly know that it
[56:27] was going to go to the parking.
[56:28] I think it's sort of unfair to
the residents to take that away.
[56:31] It's like a loss in revenue
to parking, which, you know,
[56:33] is supposed to pay
for more parking
[56:35] or for certain underwrite
circuit so we could
[56:37] get another circuit
vehicle or something
[56:38] like that That is for me.
[56:40] Yeah, I would agree with that.
[56:41] Just for what I agree to
is I agree to a point.
[56:44] Part of it would be
whatever we were losing
[56:45] to begin with by
the parking spaces
[56:47] that were being used before.
[56:48] Yes, that money should go
to the parking and the rest.
[56:51] That would be something this
commission could decide,
[56:53] because I don't think the
whole 700,000 should go
[56:55] to two parking when the
way it's set up now,
[57:00] it's not going there.
[57:00] It would never get that
much amount anyway.
[57:02] So I maybe give a little
more to parking fund,
[57:05] but I think some
very general funding.
[57:08] Listen, our taxes are going
to are rising this year,
[57:12] we're not going to be as
good as we were last year.
[57:15] You know, prices of
housing has gone down.
[57:17] So that's going
to change things.
[57:19] So there's a lot
of factors in here
[57:21] that I'm not going to say it's
only going to go to one spot
[57:23] right now.
[57:24] We've got to make sure we're
what we need the money for.
[57:27] That's on.
[57:28] Yes.
[57:28] And but in fairness, we just
we raise the parking rates.
[57:31] Right.
[57:31] To make to make sure that
the parking fund was solving
[57:33] cover all the expenses.
[57:35] So you know it's 2 2 it's one
thing to say we're going to go
[57:40] to the general fund
because we don't you
[57:42] know, we don't on taxes, raise.
[57:43] We need the revenue.
[57:44] But it's another to do that.
[57:45] And then potentially
at some point,
[57:46] the future raise
parking rates again,
[57:48] when we could have
made it whole by just
[57:50] putting this money there.
[57:50] Again, that's a hypothetical.
[57:51] No one's suggesting a
raise for the parking here,
[57:53] but magic question you
said that there's you know,
[57:57] there are going to
be more over here.
[57:58] Now.
[57:59] So what do we find out
in a year or six months
[58:01] that really we're only
using six of them?
[58:04] We really don't need all ten.
[58:05] They're not being used,
you know I mean, you know,
[58:08] by a percentage of all of
them, Is there anything
[58:12] in the contract that states
that they would take some out
[58:14] if they're not
being used in, then
[58:16] there's not because
of the cost involved
[58:19] in building them to begin with.
[58:20] And even if they're
not utilized,
[58:22] they do have an obligation
to pay rent to the city,
[58:25] whether they're
being used or not.
[58:26] So we will be receiving that
revenue, whether they're
[58:28] being used or not.
[58:29] OK But, you know so these
spots are in addition
[58:36] to the circuit spots?
[58:38] That is correct And is
there a way that since we
[58:43] control the circuit.
[58:44] Right.
[58:44] The circuit doesn't rent
those spots Correct.
[58:47] We control the spots.
[58:48] Is there a way we
could work it out where
[58:50] the circuit could use
the ten spots that
[58:53] are going to be put in there?
[58:55] So we don't need to take
up as many parking spots?
[58:58] Have we explored that Well, if
then it would make that parking,
[59:02] that spot unavailable for
someone that's there to charge
[59:05] if they use those spaces.
[59:06] But they're fast
chargers, right?
[59:08] And I don't know, circuit
people aren't here anymore.
[59:11] I don't know if
they're the vehicles
[59:14] like allow for fast charging.
[59:16] So some of them don't
the gym vehicles
[59:19] these Chargers would
not be able to be
[59:21] charge on those fast chargers.
[59:23] Their killer would be able to.
[59:25] But not.
[59:26] So then.
[59:27] Not a possibility to try to
limit the amount of spots
[59:30] by doing that.
[59:31] Okay.
[59:32] And the amount of the
electric that's being used
[59:38] gets charged to the
company, correct?
[59:40] Correct.
[59:41] And then they're just leasing
the parking spot, Correct.
[59:43] They pay all the cost.
[59:43] They put it in separate meters.
[59:45] So whoever, however they
figure that out they
[59:47] will work with that
and have a scenario
[59:48] way for our residents
to get like a cheaper
[59:51] rate than nonresidents.
[59:54] Not currently.
[59:55] That is One thing that we're
exploring different options
[59:58] going forward with.
[59:59] If you go on different programs
that they are looking into,
[1:00:02] they do not currently exist.
[1:00:04] OK.
[1:00:04] That would be a good
offering for our residents
[1:00:07] Then we're taking up
more parking spots are.
[1:00:10] And hopefully that
satisfy some people.
[1:00:12] Okay great One one
of the question
[1:00:17] I understand that
the Chargers is not
[1:00:18] compatible with all vehicles.
[1:00:20] Do we do we understand what
vehicles it's not compatible
[1:00:26] with you chair those and
what percentage of the market
[1:00:28] is that?
[1:00:28] Because I think we all.
[1:00:30] I don't think any of us
think that all 11, 10 or 10
[1:00:33] spots would be
filled all the time.
[1:00:34] But I recognize we have
to go to that number
[1:00:35] to make it make sense to
put in the infrastructure.
[1:00:38] If I may, I'll ask
Matt from Evie.
[1:00:40] Go.
[1:00:41] Who's here to explain the
details of the Chargers
[1:00:44] name and address, please.
[1:00:45] Matthew Collins to 7 or
9 fourths Club Drive.
[1:00:48] Plant City Good evening, Mayor.
[1:00:50] Vice Mayor.
[1:00:50] Commissioners I'm a
regional director for Go.
[1:00:53] So our Chargers are
what's called car us.
[1:00:55] So we kind of do
everybody but Tesla.
[1:00:58] So GM, Ford, everybody.
[1:01:00] Tesla just does the one
the four cars we have.
[1:01:02] And that's it We'll
do everybody else.
[1:01:04] Now we do are going to plan
to roll out nax in the future
[1:01:08] but we would probably test
it and say, hey, guys.
[1:01:10] Let's look at the city.
[1:01:11] Are you guys filling
up those ten Chargers,
[1:01:12] which we think we will
because this is going
[1:01:15] to be the biggest
site really from Fort
[1:01:17] Lauderdale to Palm Beach.
[1:01:19] I looked at the maps and there's
nothing like this out there.
[1:01:22] Oh so you guys are gonna
be the biggest one.
[1:01:24] We think it will be filled,
or at least probably 70%
[1:01:26] for Uber drivers and
everybody else in the city.
[1:01:30] Cars because of city cars
and things like that.
[1:01:31] So.
[1:01:32] So you guys are obviously
advertising this on on networks
[1:01:35] of where fast car Chargers.
[1:01:36] All right.
[1:01:37] That's how that's how
you're going to attract
[1:01:38] people to use that
aren't just read
[1:01:39] reds presence is that correct.
[1:01:40] Correct.
[1:01:41] So we have our app,
which is if you go up
[1:01:43] and we have plug share,
we're part of that.
[1:01:45] And so we have two
apps that go about 4
[1:01:46] million users across the
US The as you mentioned,
[1:01:54] I think that I'm sorry.
[1:01:55] I didn't get the acronym for
you said some new one is coming.
[1:01:57] Is that something that is Tesla
compatible or what's the tesla
[1:02:00] is just nax is so North America
charging standard and so
[1:02:04] what we and everybody else does.
[1:02:05] I get the feeling Tesla's
market share is starting
[1:02:08] to shrink a little bit.
[1:02:09] What is their percentage
of market share?
[1:02:10] Relative to the total TV market?
[1:02:12] It's about 70% of them there.
[1:02:14] 70% of the market.
[1:02:15] Right.
[1:02:16] But they already have
their own network, right?
[1:02:18] So for shoot out,
140,000 Chargers adapters
[1:02:21] for Tesla and found
out 90% of the users
[1:02:24] are still using the cars.
[1:02:25] Right.
[1:02:26] So we still have about 300,000
cars joining the market
[1:02:29] every quarter that are cars.
[1:02:31] So we serve that whole market.
[1:02:32] How long when someone's doing a
fast charge, how long are they
[1:02:35] sit here for?
[1:02:36] About 20, 25 minutes.
[1:02:38] OK Because we're doing 350.
[1:02:40] So the ones you have out
there are about 50kW.
[1:02:44] We're doing 350.
[1:02:45] This is a wild question.
[1:02:46] I'm sure you don't have it.
[1:02:47] Butts in time for them
to go get something.
[1:02:49] Well, that's
actually the masking.
[1:02:50] That was my wild
question is, do you
[1:02:52] have any stats about
the percentage of like,
[1:02:53] you know, what people do during
that, you know, do they do.
[1:02:55] They go and walk to a
nearby restaurant or just
[1:02:58] so we do we think that it
brings and I guess on your deck
[1:03:00] if you guys want
us to in industry
[1:03:02] we think it brings
about a 20% increase
[1:03:05] that a local like
market kind of.
[1:03:07] So if it's like a restaurant
or and I walked around
[1:03:11] to see what we have a
lot of good restaurants
[1:03:13] right here the charging
walk over to they're going
[1:03:15] for a nonalcoholic cocktail
OK so so you know, in my mind,
[1:03:22] when we were first
talking about this,
[1:03:24] I was thinking of it in
terms of our residents
[1:03:25] who just happened
to know it's there.
[1:03:26] But it's you're doing your
model based on much larger stats
[1:03:29] about the availability of
these in the area where
[1:03:32] exactly in the parking
lot with these video
[1:03:35] these will be in
the corner close
[1:03:36] to the entrance to
the volleyball court.
[1:03:39] It will form an L where
circuit is currently right now,
[1:03:43] as well as where we have
the employee apartment
[1:03:47] parking only facing 21st court.
[1:03:50] OK And this may also be
a ridiculous question
[1:03:53] I think do this one.
[1:03:54] Do you do is the you
know I know we have
[1:03:56] that other kind of
mini lot that's over
[1:03:58] in the corner of this property.
[1:03:59] There's and I don't
remember the topography.
[1:04:01] Is there any operating
any place in this property
[1:04:03] to create some additional
spots, you know,
[1:04:05] for the spots that we're losing
from some of this revenue
[1:04:07] or no we have this
slot is pretty much
[1:04:11] developed to its maximum use.
[1:04:13] So there's really no opportunity
other than to reap introduce
[1:04:18] the three spaces that we're
losing to the one charger
[1:04:20] right now just to minimize
the number of parking spaces
[1:04:22] that we're losing If
the circuit needed
[1:04:29] to expand because we wanted
to add additional circuit.
[1:04:31] But there would be room We
do have right now five spaces
[1:04:36] that we utilize and there
are three vehicles there.
[1:04:38] So we do have the ability to add
up to two more vehicles, four
[1:04:41] circuit without having to
expand So the space is there,
[1:04:45] but we do have the
ability in the area
[1:04:48] that we're moving them to, which
is to the other side of the gas
[1:04:50] pump.
[1:04:51] And i would imagine based on
what you said, that there would
[1:04:56] be more people coming from
surrounding areas I would
[1:04:58] imagine it's not going to
impact traffic on Wilton Drive,
[1:05:01] correct You mean more traffic?
[1:05:05] Correct They'll be there
for a short period of time.
[1:05:08] So I don't think it
will increase traffic
[1:05:11] on Wilton Drive Oh, okay.
[1:05:13] Perfect And yeah, so in
addition to the hard dollars
[1:05:17] we're getting there may be
soft dollars in terms of people
[1:05:20] driving through,
stopping at public,
[1:05:21] stopping at a sushi place
and things like that.
[1:05:25] So I'm supportive of this.
[1:05:26] And right now
that's what they do,
[1:05:28] because I see them using
our current charger
[1:05:30] and they park there and they
go across the street for coffee
[1:05:32] or something like that.
[1:05:33] Walk around Any other
questions Can I ask one?
[1:05:38] We have two signature
events, right?
[1:05:41] We have Stonewall,
Wicked Manners
[1:05:43] Is it possible to to allow
parking in those spots
[1:05:48] during the two signature
events when parking
[1:05:51] is at a premium Yes, sir.
[1:05:53] There is a provision in the
contract for up to three days
[1:05:56] for maintenance.
[1:05:57] Anything that the city deems
that we need the parking we
[1:06:01] could restrict the
Chargers after three days.
[1:06:04] And it does affect our rent.
[1:06:05] But and it's not it's not
three consecutive days.
[1:06:08] It's just no For after
three consecutive days,
[1:06:11] it does affect the rent.
[1:06:12] But we could close it for
up to three days at a time.
[1:06:14] If we need it, for maintenance,
for special events and things
[1:06:16] like that.
[1:06:17] OK You thought of it all.
[1:06:18] Good.
[1:06:19] All right.
[1:06:19] That's.
[1:06:20] That's good news.
[1:06:20] Thank you.
[1:06:21] We do have a deal.
[1:06:22] Just tell me the dates.
[1:06:22] And I would just turn them off.
[1:06:24] Okay.
[1:06:25] Wonderful Thank you.
[1:06:27] All right Thank you all.
[1:06:33] The question, Vice Mayor Caputo?
[1:06:35] Yes Commissioner Dominio
Yes, Commissioner Rocky.
[1:06:39] Yes.
[1:06:40] Commissioner Rowley.
[1:06:41] Yes Mayor Newton.
[1:06:42] Yes.
[1:06:44] Oh, What I did have
one more question.
[1:06:46] Is it possible for
me to look like I
[1:06:49] can ask you a separate question
everyone would want to know.
[1:06:52] You said right now, but don't
ask me answer right now.
[1:06:54] But what is the timeline
It's not a big deal
[1:07:00] I don't think that
tourney will get to know.
[1:07:03] We've been working on now
that it's been approved, what
[1:07:06] is the time it's going to come
back to you for second reading
[1:07:09] because it's okay so will be
at the next commission meeting
[1:07:12] as well.
[1:07:12] We've been working with
the for months on this.
[1:07:15] They're ready to go.
[1:07:16] We'll be ready to go.
[1:07:17] Appreciate it.
[1:07:18] All depends on FPL and
how fast will move.
[1:07:21] But in speaking to
six years, basically
[1:07:24] the goal if if FPL
moves is to try
[1:07:29] to have it by Christmas time.
[1:07:31] Perfect.
[1:07:31] Right?
[1:07:32] In time for season four.
[1:07:32] Thank you All right.
[1:07:34] Thank you.
[1:07:36] All right.
[1:07:36] Resolutions resolution
2025 dash 00R033.
[1:07:42] Please read a resolution of
the city commission of the city
[1:07:47] of Wilton Manors, Florida,
authorizing an amnesty program
[1:07:50] to address current code
enforcement fines, including
[1:07:52] those creating a lean
upon real property,
[1:07:55] providing for conditions,
providing for reduction amounts,
[1:07:58] providing for a termination
date, providing for conflicts,
[1:08:01] providing for severability and
providing for an effective date
[1:08:04] Thank you.
[1:08:05] Is there a motion
I'll make the motion.
[1:08:07] Your second.
[1:08:09] I will second.
[1:08:10] Good luck young gentleman
Chief floor is yours.
[1:08:18] Good evening.
[1:08:19] Gary Blocker, Chief
of Police department.
[1:08:22] Going back to January 28th, this
commission discussed a prospect
[1:08:26] of lean amnesty program and this
policy was constructed based
[1:08:30] on your discussions and
supplemental One on one feedback
[1:08:34] staff believes that the proposed
policy provides clear program
[1:08:37] standards for applicants to
understand and also staff
[1:08:41] to process and
manage and we asked
[1:08:44] tonight that the Commission
finalize a policy,
[1:08:46] as you so desire.
[1:08:48] So as of April 2,
there are 124 leaves
[1:08:52] attached to non home properties
falling over $9.6 million
[1:08:58] 35 homes that are
properties have leaves
[1:09:01] totaling over two $9 million.
[1:09:03] With that grand total
being over $12.6 million.
[1:09:09] If we look at this chart here,
that's also in the back up.
[1:09:11] You can see where the bulk
of the non that lean amounts
[1:09:16] reside.
[1:09:17] 36% of those amounts
reside in that 100 to 199,
[1:09:22] 99 Nine category lean
amounts on the homes
[1:09:26] that are properties You see the
majority lie in that 100 to 1 99
[1:09:31] and nine category at
59% at 1.7 million.
[1:09:36] So what we're proposing tonight
is that we run a lean amnesty
[1:09:41] program for a
period of one year,
[1:09:44] July first, starting and
ending next year, June 30th.
[1:09:48] So anybody who gets
an application into us
[1:09:51] within that time frame
and the administrative fee
[1:09:54] would be eligible
for consideration.
[1:09:57] We're proposing for
the first nine months,
[1:10:00] Homestead properties will
receive a 9% reduction
[1:10:05] and this excludes fees
non homestead properties
[1:10:08] would be reduced by 80%.
[1:10:10] And the last three
months those amounts
[1:10:13] would reduce by 10% each.
[1:10:16] And that payment be received
within 90 calendar day time.
[1:10:19] The city provides the applicant
a notice of approval We're
[1:10:26] talking about eligibility.
[1:10:27] There are seven and they're
all listed in the back up.
[1:10:30] If we review a few
of them, the property
[1:10:32] that we're talking about
shall be income appliance
[1:10:35] with all of the city codes
to include those associated
[1:10:38] with that code case
and that any and all
[1:10:42] violations on the property shall
be compliant prior to apply.
[1:10:45] I know application will be
processed until this happens.
[1:10:48] Each lien shall have a minimum
face value of $1,000 and they
[1:10:53] shall not be under any order
of reduction by the magistrate
[1:10:57] or this Commission eligible
leans shall not exceed
[1:11:01] that $250,000 at the time.
[1:11:05] The application is submitted.
[1:11:08] And then should an application
be submitted and then
[1:11:10] found not to meet the
minimum standards it
[1:11:13] will be rejected by the city.
[1:11:15] The following liens are
and fines are not eligible
[1:11:19] for the amnesty program leans
arising for unsafe structure
[1:11:22] board actions, orders leaves
arising from the Building Safety
[1:11:27] Inspection Program are not
eligible until all requirements
[1:11:31] of the Building Safety
Inspection Program
[1:11:33] are satisfied to
include, but not limited
[1:11:36] to the required repairs.
[1:11:39] You see, the
application fees there
[1:11:40] and the staff time associated
and also the Lean release fee.
[1:11:45] And these fees are mere legal
costs covering recovery staff
[1:11:50] cost recovery in Broward County,
a lean release fee we recommend
[1:11:56] no appeals and the determination
by the chief of police
[1:12:00] or the Department designee to
approve or reject request passed
[1:12:05] shall become final.
[1:12:07] So if approved, we have
a communications plan.
[1:12:12] Traditional media,
digital media,
[1:12:13] community outreach
and direct outreach
[1:12:17] to those specific
properties with leans
[1:12:20] and also our program
performance metrics
[1:12:25] We're confident that if
there's no major changes
[1:12:27] to this presentation
or this proposal
[1:12:30] tonight, that we can
launch this July first.
[1:12:35] And just as a reminder, at
the last commission meeting,
[1:12:38] we did there was a small
discussion about a a income
[1:12:44] based reduction program
that is in the back
[1:12:49] up for your review or a recall.
[1:12:52] We would recommend that we
proceed as a city in the manner
[1:12:57] proposed That's not what I have.
[1:13:00] And questions for
the commissioner.
[1:13:01] Thoughts?
[1:13:02] All right, Chief.
[1:13:03] Thank you.
[1:13:04] The questions don't
questions from you, bye.
[1:13:11] Think you had a good night.
[1:13:12] So.
[1:13:13] So just to apply.
[1:13:14] So here we go.
[1:13:15] So I'll jump in.
[1:13:15] Let's go.
[1:13:16] So the only comment and
I'm happy from discussions
[1:13:20] we had to see the
change to include
[1:13:23] non homesteaded properties.
[1:13:24] My thought in that was
that we've heard from.
[1:13:27] And we've had cases
in front of us
[1:13:29] that people that were looking
to move to the city they
[1:13:31] accumulated significant
fines that they couldn't live
[1:13:35] in because it wasn't right.
[1:13:36] So, so them wanting to clear
that become residents is great.
[1:13:39] That intent.
[1:13:40] What I didn't
intend for that was
[1:13:42] to become commercial properties
that are not homestead.
[1:13:45] So nonresidential you
know, properties which are
[1:13:48] then of course not Homestead.
[1:13:49] Do you have any idea
what what number
[1:13:51] or what's the lean value of
commercial properties within
[1:13:56] that list The lean value, No.
[1:13:59] What I will tell you
is the single family
[1:14:01] residential non homestead.
[1:14:04] It is 54 or 54 properties,
multifamily residence, all 12
[1:14:08] properties and
commercial 54 properties
[1:14:13] and so I definitely
am not in support
[1:14:15] of doing the amnesty for true
commercial properties here
[1:14:20] And we don't have
a way of knowing
[1:14:21] if it's of distinguished.
[1:14:27] I'm trying to think
how you distinguish
[1:14:28] on the residential side.
[1:14:30] If it's a commercial, I guess
like an apartment or something
[1:14:33] like that, like it's is there
some way to distinguish it
[1:14:35] more than some number of units?
[1:14:36] We can assume it's
not owner occupied
[1:14:39] or I'm just throwing it out
to the rest of the commission.
[1:14:41] If there's interest, you
know, because I don't want
[1:14:43] to say that all
residential included,
[1:14:45] if if there are some commercial.
[1:14:46] I think we've seen like
some apartment buildings
[1:14:48] come through here
that I would consider
[1:14:50] commercial not residential.
[1:14:51] But I think if it's
owner occupied,
[1:14:53] they almost always have a
homestead protection on it,
[1:14:55] at least for a portion.
[1:14:56] The portion they live.
[1:14:58] But I know it's on
our occupied but I'm
[1:15:01] saying that we'd that I'm
open to that not I want
[1:15:03] non homesteaded residential
properties potentially
[1:15:06] to qualify but not
non homesteaded
[1:15:09] you know like a commercial
like, you know what like a 20.
[1:15:12] I don't want a 20 unit.
[1:15:13] Exactly.
[1:15:13] To which we've seen it, we've
seen that we had the one
[1:15:16] egregious one like that, to me,
is this a commercial property
[1:15:18] But the single family,
the residential that sort
[1:15:21] of whether it's homestead or not
I'd like to see that included.
[1:15:25] I would agree.
[1:15:25] I agree to limit it to as you
said, no commercial properties
[1:15:30] So how do we define
commercial since we're not
[1:15:33] using Homestead non Homestead?
[1:15:34] Do we define that by nothing
more than two like two units?
[1:15:37] Or how would we define with the
not traditional residential,
[1:15:41] you know that we're
looking to exclude that.
[1:15:44] I mean, to me, if you're
three units or more,
[1:15:46] you know that's private.
[1:15:47] You're probably not
a lot of duplexes.
[1:15:50] They live in one and they
rent out the other Don't know.
[1:15:55] I mean, to get past that, I
just I think I don't know.
[1:15:57] And for that, I think for
me, I would be in support
[1:16:00] of, you know, nothing.
[1:16:01] 3 units and up, you
know qualify guys
[1:16:03] you know because at that
point your city if only
[1:16:06] a commercial venture you know
if two thirds doesn't qualify
[1:16:09] doesn't qualify for the
amnesty provided somebody
[1:16:11] lives in one of those right.
[1:16:14] As long as somebody
lives in one in,
[1:16:15] it's homesteaded If if it's
Homestead, that's fine.
[1:16:19] You know, that's fine But
if it's not homesteaded
[1:16:21] and it's three units or more.
[1:16:23] It shouldn't qualify My opinion
no matter what, no matter what.
[1:16:25] Yeah Then can we just
step back a second?
[1:16:29] I believe that there is state
law that we cannot foreclose
[1:16:33] on a homestead of properties
that rent we cannot foreclose
[1:16:37] on a homestead of properties.
[1:16:38] Correct.
[1:16:39] And if there's a multifamily
where someone's living there
[1:16:42] and it's partially homestead it.
[1:16:43] I guess we would not be
able to do if I may look
[1:16:49] to legal for that, correct?
[1:16:50] Yeah, no problem.
[1:16:51] If it's a condominium and the
individual units are owned
[1:16:56] individually those individual
units can be Homestead
[1:16:59] in a multiple unit property.
[1:17:02] But if it's a rental community,
then none of those units
[1:17:07] are homes that okay.
[1:17:09] But I think what
he's getting at is
[1:17:11] I know there's a few properties
where there may be a main house
[1:17:16] that the owner and he
gets a partial homestead
[1:17:20] and then the two or 3 or 4 units
on the property that are being
[1:17:24] rented out doesn't get
the homestead exemption
[1:17:27] for tax purposes on that.
[1:17:29] But it has a homestead exemption
on the piece of real estate
[1:17:32] which I mean, imagine
you can't I was
[1:17:34] on that either I don't know.
[1:17:37] It.
[1:17:37] Yeah I mean.
[1:17:38] So for me, that
would I would count
[1:17:40] that property as a homestead
property and general to me.
[1:17:42] But I think that was a
clarification You were trying.
[1:17:44] No, no.
[1:17:45] And that's correct.
[1:17:46] Yeah.
[1:17:46] Thank you I guess
you had given us
[1:17:51] the amnesty program
for davie, and I
[1:17:54] believe that was six months.
[1:17:56] I mean, for me, I feel like a
year or a really long time here
[1:18:00] And we're offering
them, you know,
[1:18:03] a deep discount for
the first nine months,
[1:18:06] just for me, it just
seems very long day.
[1:18:09] We did six months.
[1:18:11] I, I think I would prefer to
bring it down a little bit
[1:18:15] rather than have it
go out to a year.
[1:18:18] And we're offering
a deeper discount
[1:18:21] for the first nine months.
[1:18:23] I think for me, I would rather
see that we due to a shorter
[1:18:26] period to encourage
people to do it
[1:18:29] within the first 90 days or 120
days or something like that.
[1:18:35] I think nine months is
just a long time to give
[1:18:38] them that maximum discount.
[1:18:40] Couple of comments I would how
anyone else feels about does
[1:18:46] the staff have the
capability if everyone
[1:18:48] came within the first three
months of I'm just asking.
[1:18:51] Great.
[1:18:52] Physically to be
able to process.
[1:18:54] It's it's a nice
problem to have.
[1:18:56] Yeah yes but it.
[1:18:57] So you would, as long as we
would process them first come,
[1:19:01] first serve as long as they
get their application in
[1:19:04] and their administrative fee.
[1:19:04] And within that time period they
would be eligible whether or not
[1:19:08] we're able to process them.
[1:19:09] After that, you have to okay.
[1:19:10] At first, whatever goes
into effect after that.
[1:19:13] And then a question
for the city attorney,
[1:19:16] although we can't foreclose
on Homestead properties,
[1:19:19] are we allowed to put leans
on Homestead, had properties
[1:19:22] So at the time of sale,
the Lean would be paid back
[1:19:26] The leans would be
placed on the property
[1:19:30] just like any other property.
[1:19:31] You couldn't foreclose
it and it wouldn't
[1:19:34] attach much to the
homestead building,
[1:19:37] would not attach
to the homestead
[1:19:39] And so if the homestead owner
sells us and two years from now
[1:19:44] with the lean still be on
the property that needed
[1:19:46] to be paid back at
the time of sale
[1:19:49] yes, that happens all the time.
[1:19:51] Yeah.
[1:19:51] So although we may not be able
to foreclose theoretically,
[1:19:55] you still file a lean and lean.
[1:19:56] You could sit there
for 20 or 30 years
[1:19:58] before it's ever collected
on, but that's an option.
[1:20:02] Can you go back
to the percentages
[1:20:04] of the of the decrease from
me for the non homestead?
[1:20:08] It.
[1:20:08] I think 80% is a really,
really steep discount generally
[1:20:14] numbs homesteaded properties.
[1:20:16] People don't live here
and it's rented out.
[1:20:18] It's owned by an LLC or
it's Airbnb out Maybe
[1:20:22] it's a second owner
or second home owner.
[1:20:26] However, if it's a second home,
they generally take care of it
[1:20:28] better than like a person that's
not here full time and is an LLC
[1:20:35] or I'm just using it
to rent out So for me,
[1:20:37] I don't want to support
the decrease of 80%
[1:20:41] just to try to clean up
our books a little bit.
[1:20:43] Doesn't make sense to me.
[1:20:45] I don't know what everyone
else thinks, so first what was
[1:20:50] the first time that you were.
[1:20:51] I'm to remember because
I thought of that one to.
[1:20:53] But you were talking
about that passed to him.
[1:20:55] The one year period.
[1:20:56] Oh, So in the one year here, my
concern about not having it be,
[1:21:00] you know, is for
launching this now.
[1:21:01] Right.
[1:21:02] You know we're launching in
summertime so some number
[1:21:04] of people that would qualify
may not be present You know,
[1:21:07] and also we just
know like a town town
[1:21:09] crier cycle is like three months
potentially for that comes out.
[1:21:12] So I mean maybe
down to nine months.
[1:21:15] If it was going to
launch in the off season.
[1:21:17] But I think Six
months, frankly, people
[1:21:18] don't hear about
stuff in the city
[1:21:20] fast enough for them to turn
it around in six months.
[1:21:22] I think, too, if i just
signed a letter to the owner.
[1:21:25] But if you're not if you're
not there because you're you
[1:21:27] live up north.
[1:21:28] Pine and this is a second
home, if you're not only here
[1:21:29] six months out of
the year you know,
[1:21:31] usually the mailing address of
the property appraiser's updated
[1:21:33] different from the well, that.
[1:21:35] And that's what I was going
to ask i know some people
[1:21:37] code might know
that or chief you
[1:21:39] might know that don't
the second home usually
[1:21:41] they have the address of
the homestead a property
[1:21:43] or another country
or another state.
[1:21:47] I'm sorry As a
question again, please.
[1:21:48] The address.
[1:21:49] You have to if you have to
send a notice of some kind
[1:21:52] is usually not that address.
[1:21:54] If they have that sort
of summer or winter.
[1:21:56] Oh, it's usually their
summer home It varies.
[1:22:00] Some are to the property
owner out of state,
[1:22:02] some are directly to that home.
[1:22:04] So i mean, like, you know, I
think my business where we have
[1:22:06] people that go on hold because
they're gone for two months
[1:22:08] during the summer, I
don't think they're
[1:22:09] updating backpay for the
two months to their address.
[1:22:12] Yeah, but they could
do mail forwarding.
[1:22:14] So like you know, but
that's just a concern.
[1:22:16] I wouldn't want to see it go
any lower than 6 or 9 months,
[1:22:20] you know, just because
I think it takes time
[1:22:22] to for us to get the word out.
[1:22:24] I understand on the to some
of your point on the non
[1:22:28] homestead I think you
know by limiting it
[1:22:30] to say you know residences that
are you know 1 or 2 units right.
[1:22:36] It's we're not
giving big discounts
[1:22:38] to huge commercial
landlords that
[1:22:40] are not taking advantage of it.
[1:22:41] I'm okay with it maybe
coming down a little.
[1:22:43] But again, I think about the
one gentleman who was a flight
[1:22:45] attendant, I think for United
who couldn't live in his place
[1:22:48] because so it wasn't
homesteaded yet
[1:22:50] You know, he's he did absolutely
become a resident you know,
[1:22:53] like I want.
[1:22:54] And I want him to
come in on good terms,
[1:22:56] not be able to
get that you know,
[1:22:58] to not say to only do it,
say 50% like, you know,
[1:23:01] I would kick him down a little,
but not it not a whole time.
[1:23:04] Are there leans current
Lee on these properties
[1:23:06] for these amounts of the
linesmen already placed.
[1:23:09] Yes, sir.
[1:23:10] The lines were already there
And I would imagine it would.
[1:23:16] The letter state that,
you know, you can
[1:23:18] take advantage of this amnesty.
[1:23:20] I mean, can we go ahead
and fork close on the non
[1:23:25] homestead it or.
[1:23:26] That's what the program
we're doing is the 14th.
[1:23:28] So we don't have to.
[1:23:30] So no, I understand.
[1:23:31] But I would i would hope
that the letter reiterates
[1:23:35] that the this is an
opportunity to clean it
[1:23:38] up prior to foreclosure
I like to see
[1:23:41] the letter that they send out.
[1:23:42] Yeah, but I, I guess
for me, I would
[1:23:44] like I would like it to include
some type of should it should
[1:23:47] I believe.
[1:23:48] Do we send out a letter of
didn't we recently to some
[1:23:50] of those that were at the
highest value that were
[1:23:52] because we're so we started
foreclosing now I think we've
[1:23:54] sent out a letter
with just letting them
[1:23:56] know this was going to happen.
[1:23:57] Yes, sir.
[1:23:58] And it should be included
again on this, to your point.
[1:24:00] But I notice recently
sent that letter out right
[1:24:02] And I did have a question also.
[1:24:04] This is for liens under 250,000.
[1:24:07] There's several I
just looked at them.
[1:24:10] There's probably 7 or
8 that make up three.
[1:24:13] And a half million dollars
that are over 250,000.
[1:24:18] What is the plan for those
that are above that amount?
[1:24:22] We are going to proceed
with foreclosure action
[1:24:25] as directed by
this commission OK.
[1:24:30] I'm good with that.
[1:24:31] Yeah.
[1:24:32] And those are most likely
commercial properties.
[1:24:34] I imagine.
[1:24:35] Anyways, that wouldn't they
also that wouldn't qualify.
[1:24:38] Yeah.
[1:24:38] Yeah.
[1:24:39] Some of your have some did you
take into consideration in terms
[1:24:44] of the costs, the
cost for the loans
[1:24:47] have already been recorded.
[1:24:48] The time and the cost to
get that production off
[1:24:53] or updated for this program?
[1:24:56] No, sir But I
thought we still are.
[1:24:58] We're still collecting the cost.
[1:25:00] The costs don't get
reduced Is that correct?
[1:25:01] Yeah.
[1:25:02] Administrative fees So
that still gets collected,
[1:25:05] is there not?
[1:25:06] Administrative
fee when we end up
[1:25:07] doing the lean that
ultimately we are
[1:25:09] therefore collecting that fee?
[1:25:10] No matter what ?
[1:25:12] Repeat the question.
[1:25:14] So there's when
we go through this
[1:25:16] we charge an administrative
fee as a lean gets applied.
[1:25:18] Yes.
[1:25:19] And that does not get
discounted by this
[1:25:20] and are still due
for that full So
[1:25:21] we're not we're not losing money
on still collecting those fees.
[1:25:24] Correct?
[1:25:25] Yeah.
[1:25:26] But we're still
doing recording fees
[1:25:28] for satisfaction of the claim
since the liens already recorded
[1:25:31] on the official records.
[1:25:33] But we don't collect, we don't
collect a fee to do that when
[1:25:36] someone actually pays us on it.
[1:25:37] Like it's built into that.
[1:25:38] It's built into
the cost of that.
[1:25:40] I believe.
[1:25:41] Are you asking that?
[1:25:42] Are we are you asking all we
asking for an administrative fee
[1:25:46] to release lean?
[1:25:47] The answer is yes There is
that built into the cost that
[1:25:52] is built into this program.
[1:25:54] Yes, sir OK.
[1:25:55] To release a lean.
[1:25:56] Yes, sir.
[1:25:57] The separate fee Yeah.
[1:25:59] All You're good.
[1:26:00] I'm good.
[1:26:01] I'm We're not going to go
with commercial properties.
[1:26:04] I'm good with that.
[1:26:05] I'm all right.
[1:26:05] We've changed that.
[1:26:07] There I have a concern on
the Homestead properties
[1:26:09] because we can't go to
foreclosure on them.
[1:26:14] And we've had there
was one recently
[1:26:16] where they came before us.
[1:26:19] We had to do a lease
pendants I think it was
[1:26:23] a dependence on city manager.
[1:26:25] The attorney.
[1:26:26] Yes.
[1:26:26] Was it less pendants that
file when there's action that
[1:26:31] involves a piece of property
to let the public and anyone
[1:26:35] who is interested
know that there
[1:26:37] are some legal action pending?
[1:26:39] What impact does this program
have on that or does that have
[1:26:42] has no real impact on this?
[1:26:45] Pendants If a bank or or
some other lienholder files
[1:26:51] for foreclosure against the
property in the city has a lane
[1:26:55] the city will get
notified of that lawsuit
[1:26:57] and will respond
accordingly So that list
[1:27:01] Pendens is filed together
with action for foreclosures.
[1:27:05] Typically in this context, we've
had a couple of circumstances
[1:27:09] just the way the timing has
worked out that a bank has filed
[1:27:13] a list pendants as part
of a foreclosure action,
[1:27:15] and that occurred right
before the city filed
[1:27:19] the lean and the way
our lean production
[1:27:22] process works that has to be
approved by the city commission.
[1:27:26] And so we've had a couple
of appeals that have come
[1:27:28] before the commission where
a lean has had to be removed
[1:27:32] because it was filed
after the Lisbon
[1:27:35] that we don't have an
administrate of process
[1:27:38] for that in our code
currently right?
[1:27:42] So typically when you file
a lean under or after list
[1:27:47] pendants, you your
lean is not valid
[1:27:50] as against that
particular lawsuit
[1:27:55] and all these things
have been filed already.
[1:27:57] Right.
[1:27:57] Everything is on.
[1:27:58] There's already a lien filed.
[1:27:59] So it's not doesn't
affect that correct?
[1:28:02] Correct.
[1:28:03] Chief, I have a question.
[1:28:04] I think I remember reading
in one of your slides
[1:28:07] that unqualified
someone would be
[1:28:10] is if they already
went to the magistrate
[1:28:11] for a lien reduction
Is that accurate?
[1:28:13] Right.
[1:28:14] That is accurate.
[1:28:15] And what's the
purpose behind that?
[1:28:18] You I believe that purpose,
which I got from another city
[1:28:24] would be you've already
been offered a reduction
[1:28:26] and now you're coming back
for a second reduction
[1:28:28] of that reduced amount.
[1:28:30] See, I look at it, it's kind
of a little bit different.
[1:28:32] I look at is the person actually
took the right steps appeared
[1:28:37] in front of the magistrate.
[1:28:39] Maybe they don't want
to spend the money
[1:28:40] to appeal to a commission
knowing the way the commission
[1:28:42] is not really reducing them.
[1:28:44] And so they do all
the right things
[1:28:46] And then you have other
people that just, you know,
[1:28:49] thumb their nose at the city.
[1:28:51] They don't respond to anything.
[1:28:53] And now there's a lean, and
we're going to offer them 80%
[1:28:56] or someone else only got 50.
[1:28:57] I don't know if that is
this really to the reduction
[1:29:00] in front of class process ?
[1:29:02] Both the magistrate, if they
went in front of the magistrate,
[1:29:05] it's too late.
[1:29:06] Oh, I don't to tip magistrate
and in or the and/or
[1:29:09] the commission also
you know typically
[1:29:10] what happens is the
magistrate hears the matter.
[1:29:14] It's a hearing and
they've either reduced it
[1:29:17] or not reduced it or reduced
it somewhere in between
[1:29:20] And that person, if they're
in the line for trying
[1:29:23] to go for amnesty,
they haven't paid
[1:29:26] Because once that
reduction is given,
[1:29:28] it's typically a 90 day
or less provision to pay.
[1:29:32] And they haven't paid it.
[1:29:34] So it goes back to
the original amount
[1:29:36] we really talking a 90 day
period potentially right?
[1:29:39] Because otherwise they
would have had to pay it.
[1:29:41] But if they didn't, it wouldn't.
[1:29:42] It's back up to 100,
but then but everybody
[1:29:45] has gone through the
magistrate at 100% point.
[1:29:47] Right.
[1:29:47] Because every one
eventually go goes through
[1:29:49] to get the lean filed So
to me, it's and I'm even
[1:29:51] find by the way saying the last
90 days if you got something you
[1:29:55] can now qualify for this program
for the 90 day period right
[1:29:57] to me, it's not that it's
it's we're not doing this on
[1:30:01] is the people that
been in front of us
[1:30:03] that we've given something
to They can't come back.
[1:30:04] That's what matters to me.
[1:30:06] So you're fine that removing the
magistrate piece if they went
[1:30:09] to the magistrate but
Yeah they still come back
[1:30:11] and they can still be part of
this process for that, right?
[1:30:14] I think that's fine.
[1:30:15] Yeah.
[1:30:15] And I, they have a right
to go to the magistrate
[1:30:17] and argue their case.
[1:30:18] You know, maybe they
don't feel it's valid,
[1:30:19] but most people don't go
to the magistrate Right.
[1:30:21] And the fines just keep accruing
and those are the people we're
[1:30:24] helping rather than
people that try to do,
[1:30:26] I think right I think
it's fine for me
[1:30:27] if you went to the
magistrate you know me,
[1:30:30] I go all the time out for a
second, clarify some things
[1:30:34] All right.
[1:30:34] So no commercial
properties right?
[1:30:37] Correct we have is
three or more units
[1:30:43] Are we able to do
like more than four?
[1:30:46] Like there's a lot of quads
and i know some of them have
[1:30:51] there's issues with them.
[1:30:53] One builder was looking to
buy one, but to redevelop it
[1:30:58] But I know that there
is outstanding leans
[1:30:59] on them I'm thinking
that there's so
[1:31:03] many quads throughout our city.
[1:31:05] I those are not large.
[1:31:08] They're usually
lower income housing.
[1:31:10] But.
[1:31:11] But are we are we reducing it?
[1:31:12] So then get sold to a
developer at a higher you know,
[1:31:14] that's right.
[1:31:16] And it just to
clarify, by the way,
[1:31:18] on that, more than three
units, it's more than three
[1:31:20] units or non residential.
[1:31:20] Right.
[1:31:21] Because any.
[1:31:21] Right.
[1:31:22] Right.
[1:31:22] Just like that we're not
what it was that you mean.
[1:31:25] So in other words, an
office building you
[1:31:27] know or something like that
Well commercial like commercial.
[1:31:31] Okay so you guys want
to work through three.
[1:31:34] Well three or more area Yeah,
but did you have a question?
[1:31:38] I had a question about
the lean these leans
[1:31:42] are final, correct or no.
[1:31:44] Are they still accumulating
the ones for this program?
[1:31:46] The vast majority are
still accumulating.
[1:31:49] They are to be in this process.
[1:31:51] No they cannot.
[1:31:52] They have to be in compliance,
which is a consideration
[1:31:55] for the time line.
[1:31:56] Well, you don't want to make
it too short because one
[1:31:58] of the goals of this
program is to encourage
[1:32:01] property owners to come into
compliance, and then time.
[1:32:03] So if you make the timeline too
short then those property owners
[1:32:07] may not have time to come
into compliance, which
[1:32:10] is a large they can
take some of this money
[1:32:12] that they're not going
to have to pay to fix
[1:32:14] the properties which is
what we want to do I mean,
[1:32:16] it's not the fines
as much as we want
[1:32:18] to beautify our community by
getting these pieces of property
[1:32:22] in better shape.
[1:32:23] So well let's be honest, if they
were going to fix the property,
[1:32:25] they would have did
it two years ago
[1:32:26] when the fines started Right?
[1:32:28] True.
[1:32:28] They're intentionally not right.
[1:32:30] But.
[1:32:30] But.
[1:32:31] But they cannot get
this unless they do so.
[1:32:32] Appreciate it.
[1:32:33] Gives you an incentive to do it.
[1:32:34] So it be cheaper for them
to fix whatever it is.
[1:32:36] And then go to this than it
would be to just keep going.
[1:32:39] And then sell a property.
[1:32:40] I believe that kind of right.
[1:32:41] So I think it's a great idea.
[1:32:42] And I like the way it's set up.
[1:32:44] Those two changes that we
made is there any with lower
[1:32:48] that 80% 75%, 75?
[1:32:53] Are you go with that I was
thinking like 50 out of 50,
[1:32:58] 50 for the non homestead
again, most of them
[1:33:02] are else's or people are
that are buying houses
[1:33:05] and Airbnb being them out.
[1:33:07] Those seem to be the ones
that most of the problems.
[1:33:09] I don't have sympathy for
those people I don't either.
[1:33:11] We're we're trying
to do something here
[1:33:12] and that it's not just about
getting them off the books,
[1:33:16] it's about getting the
properties right where
[1:33:17] we want it to be in our city.
[1:33:19] So and they've also followed
what other cities have done,
[1:33:23] like we have the agreement
here for Derby, for example.
[1:33:28] Do we know how
successful all that was?
[1:33:31] Would you have that information?
[1:33:32] We don't have that information.
[1:33:34] No, sir, absolutely.
[1:33:35] I can i think that 80% is
more than most other cities
[1:33:39] If you look at the
backup materials,
[1:33:41] I think we're probably
on the extreme end.
[1:33:44] For me, I don't want to
go any lower than 75%.
[1:33:46] I realize maybe others.
[1:33:46] Well, but that would be
kind of the low end because
[1:33:48] of the situations that
have been in front of us
[1:33:49] before that i've
seen that that's
[1:33:51] who I'm trying to help anymore.
[1:33:55] I sounds like 75% of those.
[1:33:58] It does Any other questions?
[1:34:01] So where's that 75%
for the non homestead?
[1:34:04] Correct.
[1:34:05] And then for the final three
months, I would say 65, right?
[1:34:09] Yeah.
[1:34:09] Just as a matter of and
duration of the program.
[1:34:15] You're and again, do we
want to keep nine months.
[1:34:19] I I mean, for me, that's
a long time I understand
[1:34:23] our city managers point.
[1:34:25] But a homestead a property can
get up to 90% for nine months.
[1:34:30] I just feel like
that's a very long time
[1:34:33] But I think like we
just talked about what
[1:34:34] if somebody doesn't have the
money to pay their fines?
[1:34:37] They have, but they might
have enough money to fix the
[1:34:40] but they need to be
to be compliance.
[1:34:42] Again.
[1:34:42] And then they get that 90% off.
[1:34:44] So they actually saving money
in the long run they'll do that.
[1:34:47] But if they don't have enough
money to pay what they owe,
[1:34:50] now it's just going
to keep going on.
[1:34:52] I'm aware of at least 111
resident who i work with.
[1:34:56] I think there was 5 or 6 months
because frankly they done
[1:34:59] some work without a permit.
[1:35:01] But then to go back
and redo it, it
[1:35:02] became a much
bigger deal to bring
[1:35:04] everything else to code right?
[1:35:05] On a 5 or 6 month
project, at least, Right?
[1:35:07] Yeah.
[1:35:07] It's listen, you got to
go through the process.
[1:35:09] You got to find some,
do some of these things.
[1:35:11] I don't mind Nine months is
a long time, but same time.
[1:35:15] OK You got to give
them time to do it.
[1:35:17] Okay?
[1:35:19] And frankly, that the line will
still be accumulating daily
[1:35:22] through that.
[1:35:22] Through that.
[1:35:23] Well, until it's in compliance.
[1:35:24] Right.
[1:35:24] So we're going to all
got to get more accurate.
[1:35:27] It's to get more,
but naturally it's
[1:35:28] going to be a higher fine So
the reductions on this big
[1:35:33] if they opt not to
take advantage of this,
[1:35:35] are we allowed to
charge interest
[1:35:37] or interest on what interest
on the outstanding balance?
[1:35:41] No I'm not sure I understand.
[1:35:45] If I recall Kerry as
rolled making this comment,
[1:35:47] he says, no, no.
[1:35:48] Okay.
[1:35:49] Yeah.
[1:35:49] I think you discussed
that before, Mary.
[1:35:51] OK.
[1:35:52] Because it's not a
judgment Yeah, I know.
[1:35:55] In the same sense.
[1:35:56] Okay.
[1:35:56] How much they take off you
know, how much plantation is,
[1:36:00] what their numbers
are percentage wise.
[1:36:03] I can't.
[1:36:03] I mean, I have it right here.
[1:36:04] Right.
[1:36:05] So plantation is a 100% for
both residential and commercial.
[1:36:13] there you go Their program,
rent for 181 days from 2020 22
[1:36:18] to 2023.
[1:36:20] Okay All right.
[1:36:22] Any other questions or
any other discussion here?
[1:36:25] No, I'm good.
[1:36:26] So your questions
One year, the nine
[1:36:29] months plus three months model,
is that where we're going What?
[1:36:34] What was that?
[1:36:35] Yeah, the duration post
I think it was actually
[1:36:38] the duration as proposed.
[1:36:40] As proposed down here.
[1:36:41] Yeah.
[1:36:42] All right.
[1:36:42] Thank you.
[1:36:43] I have everything.
[1:36:43] Thank you.
[1:36:44] All right Any other hearing?
[1:36:46] No, no.
[1:36:46] Call the question, please Yes?
[1:36:50] Can you hear me?
[1:36:51] Sorry Apologize.
[1:36:52] Vice Mayor Caputo Yes,
Commissioner Dami, Neo.
[1:36:55] Yes.
[1:36:56] Commissioner Brockie.
[1:36:57] Yes.
[1:36:57] Commissioner Rowley.
[1:36:58] Yes.
[1:36:59] Amir Newton Yes So, all right.
[1:37:03] A commission request
report in Thank you.
[1:37:08] Mr. Mayor.
[1:37:09] This is Follow up
to an item that
[1:37:12] was raised at a previous
commission meeting.
[1:37:14] Staff was asked to
read a document out
[1:37:17] for you outlining all
of the recent requests
[1:37:20] that the commission has made
for future action items This is
[1:37:25] separate and apart from the
Strategic Initiatives report
[1:37:28] that you adopted a
few meetings ago.
[1:37:30] The report that you requested
is included in the backup
[1:37:33] of tonight's agenda.
[1:37:35] It's our intention to
continually update that.
[1:37:38] So a status changes or the
Commission requests new items
[1:37:43] that will be updated and
provided to your regular Any
[1:37:47] questions for the
city manager No.
[1:37:52] Okay.
[1:37:53] We'll move on A discussion
of rezoning parcels generally
[1:37:56] located south of
northeast 25th Street,
[1:37:59] west of northeast 15th Avenue,
north of New River and east
[1:38:02] of the FCC, tracks that have a
land use designation of T or C
[1:38:06] two, a zoning designation
of two U.S. East Roberta
[1:38:12] Good evening Good evening.
[1:38:15] What do you got for us from her
two more committed on services
[1:38:20] director.
[1:38:20] So tonight is a discussion on
whether or not the commission
[1:38:23] would like to proceed
forward with the rezoning
[1:38:25] of the properties that are
east of the fEC tracks south
[1:38:31] of northeast 25th
Street, down through
[1:38:34] College Park This
is actually the area
[1:38:39] of discussion for this evening.
[1:38:43] But Mayor if I may
actually, before we start
[1:38:47] through this discussion
is just to go
[1:38:48] over very briefly,
the difference
[1:38:50] between land use and zoning.
[1:38:53] So land use is governed by
the city's comprehensive plan
[1:38:57] and it does identify
the long term vision
[1:38:59] for those for those specific
properties where zoning
[1:39:03] actually identifies
what those uses
[1:39:05] are with that specific uses.
[1:39:07] So that's really a very basic
difference between those two.
[1:39:11] So when we look
at development, we
[1:39:12] have to look at the land
use of the property first
[1:39:15] and then from there, we're
able to determine what
[1:39:18] those overall uses would be.
[1:39:19] And then we have to do the
analysis based on zoning
[1:39:25] So the area in question.
[1:39:26] This is again,
it's all land use.
[1:39:28] Yossi So back when the city did
this, I believe it was in 2013,
[1:39:33] we did identify all of
this areas Part of our
[1:39:35] to see I remember how
many single family
[1:39:39] homes are in that area We
did not do that analysis.
[1:39:47] OK We can have
that analysis done,
[1:39:50] though, if the
commission decides
[1:39:52] to proceed forward, no problem.
[1:39:54] So this is the area
where the the zoning is.
[1:39:59] We've identified one
parcel on here that was
[1:40:01] rezone through the generations.
[1:40:03] Allow year.
[1:40:05] So that's why it's not included
even though on our zoning map,
[1:40:08] it is still a multifamily.
[1:40:10] So the existing
zoning designation
[1:40:13] are 16, which is
multifamily, 16 units an acre
[1:40:17] and r D ten, which is multi
family ten units an acre So
[1:40:25] that is the presentation.
[1:40:26] It is the gist of where
where we are going
[1:40:29] is the area in question
is here, whether or not
[1:40:32] the commission
would like for staff
[1:40:34] to proceed forward with it.
[1:40:36] We did do an analysis of costs.
[1:40:39] If the commission does
decide to proceed forward.
[1:40:42] And it is roughly a
little over $3,000,
[1:40:46] which does include
the consultant,
[1:40:48] we need a sketch and legal
description for the area.
[1:40:52] And then staff time and all
of our other advertisement
[1:40:56] requirements, as well as
postings Any questions for
[1:41:00] roberto or thank you, Roberta.
[1:41:06] Roberta, You just said
that the zoning is armed.
[1:41:09] 16 and already ten.
[1:41:11] Would it not be ours?
[1:41:12] Five Also rather essential
selling of family?
[1:41:15] No.
[1:41:16] The again, the zoning map
only identifies those two
[1:41:19] within the specific area.
[1:41:20] That's in question.
[1:41:21] So there may be single
families, but they're
[1:41:23] not zoned single families.
[1:41:25] There may be uses of US uses.
[1:41:28] So this so right now what we
call it in the planning world
[1:41:31] is there's inconsistencies
between the land
[1:41:33] use and the zoning.
[1:41:34] So this process or
project would be,
[1:41:37] you know, making that
consistent between the two.
[1:41:40] And because the
underlying land uses TLC,
[1:41:44] would that require a mixed
use development here?
[1:41:47] Currently?
[1:41:47] Not necessarily.
[1:41:49] But again when we
do the rezoning,
[1:41:51] we do reevaluate Article 30
because we also have to identify
[1:41:55] heights within the area.
[1:41:57] So we have the hub
map, which identifies
[1:42:00] all of the heights
within the Tosa area
[1:42:04] within the urban center.
[1:42:05] Okay And my understanding
is the city manager I
[1:42:10] believe you did a an appraisal.
[1:42:13] Did you get some type
of input or property?
[1:42:16] We have an informal
appraisal and we've
[1:42:19] engaged with an appraiser to
look at the two properties
[1:42:22] that the city owns that
are within this district.
[1:42:25] And we have asked
for the property
[1:42:29] to be value at the existing
zoning and the potential
[1:42:33] of it to is zoning.
[1:42:35] We don't have any results yet.
[1:42:37] No, it will take, I
think, 4 to 6 weeks.
[1:42:40] OK OK.
[1:42:44] I guess for me, I had
added this to the list
[1:42:47] because I have an
issue any time there's
[1:42:50] a difference between land use
and zoning, it's confusing.
[1:42:55] I don't know how long ago,
this was designated TLC
[1:43:01] or what the purpose of
making the land use TLC,
[1:43:04] but not having
the zoning follow.
[1:43:07] So that's why I added that
to the list for discussion
[1:43:14] The Roberto why were
why was the area
[1:43:17] and have a reason to toss east.
[1:43:21] So i was not here when the
taxes zoning was created.
[1:43:27] We didn't make attempts to try
to find historical documentation
[1:43:32] as far as justification to why
staff didn't choose to include
[1:43:36] certain areas, meaning
specifically this the only thing
[1:43:40] that we could even
contemplate is
[1:43:43] that there was potentially
resident opposition in order
[1:43:47] to do that.
[1:43:49] But again, it's there's
no count formation.
[1:43:52] We couldn't find any
notes or anything Okay.
[1:43:57] That so what is
your recommendation
[1:44:02] This is something
that we need to do.
[1:44:04] I would recommend proceeding
forward with the rezoning.
[1:44:07] Okay.
[1:44:07] Do you think we need to get
resident input from this area?
[1:44:10] Absolutely.
[1:44:11] So part of the cost analysis
does include workshop
[1:44:15] and meeting with the residents
in the public to notify them
[1:44:18] of the process So our typical
outreach that we would do,
[1:44:23] okay, are there other
areas of our city
[1:44:25] that are zoned differently that
can we just do collective one
[1:44:33] view of every area?
[1:44:35] It doesn't work that way.
[1:44:36] So we can't do one ordinance
to rezone certain areas.
[1:44:40] We would have to
And it's something
[1:44:42] it's an analysis that we've
been doing slowly over time
[1:44:45] is what are going
parcel by parcel to see
[1:44:47] the inconsistencies
or consistencies
[1:44:51] and then figuring out
a game plan from there
[1:44:53] on how we address it.
[1:44:55] Yeah, I'm not so worried about
like the random parcel of this
[1:44:58] is like a big chunk of area that
I can't even see from the map.
[1:45:03] There's 50 parcels,
I'm not sure.
[1:45:05] But right.
[1:45:06] It's not like a random
parcel that we're looking at.
[1:45:09] Other areas in the city.
[1:45:10] It has like a large swath of No,
not like this, about 80 units.
[1:45:14] I think Oh, no, I'm good Yeah.
[1:45:20] All right.
[1:45:21] I'm good.
[1:45:24] So I guess we want to
go forward with this
[1:45:26] And the city manager you have
direction from commission
[1:45:32] Any questions for us
No, thank you, Roberta.
[1:45:38] My typical question for the
next commission meeting,
[1:45:45] I know that we're we have
two more items on the list.
[1:45:50] One is square footage, minimum
square footage and conversion.
[1:45:55] And then we will be bringing
back at a future meeting
[1:45:57] the discussion of the heights
40 or C West to finishing
[1:46:03] that analysis here.
[1:46:04] Right.
[1:46:04] Yeah.
[1:46:05] We had two of us aren't here.
[1:46:06] I was I would rather
not discuss it.
[1:46:08] Yeah, I agree and then
the June 10 meeting
[1:46:12] it is anticipated that
the one hour project
[1:46:14] will be before the commission.
[1:46:16] So let's do it.
[1:46:16] The Second meeting in June.
[1:46:18] And I will not be here
First meeting in July 2027.
[1:46:24] No In the first meeting of July.
[1:46:25] Like summer Or is our
first meeting in August?
[1:46:28] Oh, yes.
[1:46:29] Oh Can you tell me
what what meeting
[1:46:32] Would you like to have
it to the next one.
[1:46:33] Whatever You and everyone
you're comfortable with.
[1:46:35] Just like we going
to this one right?
[1:46:40] Yeah.
[1:46:40] Okay.
[1:46:41] Thank you All right.
[1:46:42] Thank you.
[1:46:44] City Manager Report All
right, City Attorney.
[1:46:49] Nothing Can I just
ask you a question?
[1:46:51] Sure I'm several months ago.
[1:46:54] We increased the fees
for non residents
[1:46:58] for some of the park uses.
[1:46:59] And I was just
wondering if there's
[1:47:02] been any feedback on that
or any reduction of you
[1:47:07] know, people that request
commission request
[1:47:11] report that's up for tonight.
[1:47:13] We're scheduled to bring
that to you by June 10th.
[1:47:17] We do have an analysis
of how that rate
[1:47:20] change has affected revenue
from park rentals and OK.
[1:47:24] Thank you.
[1:47:25] It might be the next
meeting We might
[1:47:28] be ready for the next meeting.
[1:47:29] Yeah, I think it's affected
more of our our rentals.
[1:47:32] I think more than the tennis
because tennis holiday park is
[1:47:35] closed for two years
for renovations
[1:47:38] So everybody's looking
for tennis courts
[1:47:40] right now that just to throw
it in when that analysis comes.
[1:47:44] I hope it on that the
percentage utilization
[1:47:47] not just change in revenue.
[1:47:48] Yes, I think some
of it is we wanted
[1:47:49] it to be more available
for utilization you know,
[1:47:51] by residents.
[1:47:52] Right City Attorney
I have nothing.
[1:47:57] All right.
[1:47:57] Thank you very much Okay.
[1:48:00] We need to select
a chair for the may
[1:48:01] 27th Commission
meeting and absence
[1:48:03] of me and the vice mayor Other.
[1:48:10] All right What do you think?
[1:48:13] That's what I don't know.
[1:48:15] So we discussed this I'm good.
[1:48:18] And then you're not
going away together.
[1:48:20] I already clarified.
[1:48:21] Yes.
[1:48:23] You both had enough for a week.
[1:48:24] That's it.
[1:48:24] So now we need a vice mayor
Well, we're going You'll do it.
[1:48:31] Okay so.
[1:48:33] So you're right.
[1:48:33] Our left is going to take care
of being mayor and vice mayor.
[1:48:36] Their next meeting I
thought when I did this I'm
[1:48:40] pretty good about making sure
I'm not missing a meeting
[1:48:44] But I'm going away
and have to be.
[1:48:46] I missing it by one day.
[1:48:49] So And I'm not going
to change something
[1:48:51] I've had planned
for over a year,
[1:48:53] but so I'm going to miss it.
[1:48:56] But sorry, you guys.
[1:48:59] Take over for an okay All right.
[1:49:01] Discussion of sponsor
request for a Stonewall Pride
[1:49:04] parade and Street Festival.
[1:49:07] City Manager Absolutely.
[1:49:10] They did receive a request
from Jeff Sterling,
[1:49:13] who is the cEO of Stonewall
Pride Inc one that runs
[1:49:19] our annual Stonewall Festival
The request is for 50,000
[1:49:25] for sponsorship level that
was provided by the city
[1:49:28] for the 2024 events.
[1:49:31] He's present this evening.
[1:49:33] If you have any
questions for him
[1:49:37] come up the name and address,
please Yeah your road.
[1:49:46] But you stay right now.
[1:49:49] It's 8:45.
[1:49:51] Jeffrey Sterling 2435.
[1:49:53] North Dixie Highway
Wilton Manors,
[1:49:54] Florida Scott Holland 649.
[1:49:58] West Oakland Park.
[1:49:59] Wilbur boulevard will
to manage Florida Okay.
[1:50:04] The so quick summary, we all
know what we did last year.
[1:50:08] Last year, we had $100,000 a one
time gift money half from you
[1:50:11] and half from Crowder together.
[1:50:13] All right So I knew going into
this game that we were going
[1:50:17] to be about $150,000 short.
[1:50:19] I let you guys know
want to give the report?
[1:50:21] I wasn't close all
this by myself.
[1:50:24] So what we got was i
figured out 50 of it.
[1:50:28] So that left us still 100 short.
[1:50:31] But I can close that last 50.
[1:50:33] I just need help with the
50 from the city we have.
[1:50:37] If you want to
compare to last year.
[1:50:39] So if we bring in the
50,000 from the city,
[1:50:43] the 50,001 time from Crowder
together we covered 42,000.
[1:50:49] So we did close a gap of one
time money from last year
[1:50:53] to this year.
[1:50:54] It just closing to that large
amount was really rough.
[1:50:57] We all know what this
environment's like.
[1:51:00] I don't need to go into detail
of that So we have had the same
[1:51:04] sponsorship levels
other than the one
[1:51:06] time gifts like this
roughly $180,000,
[1:51:09] 185 from 22, 23 and 24.
[1:51:15] And it looks like that's
where we're going to be in 25.
[1:51:19] So we had Covid and then
our environment changed So
[1:51:23] do we really should
be growing 10% a month
[1:51:25] because expense
is, as we all know,
[1:51:28] because all of our
expenses go up.
[1:51:30] They keep climbing.
[1:51:32] But we've not been able
to move that same meter
[1:51:34] with the sponsorships
and we don't anticipate
[1:51:38] we think we're going
to hit our mark
[1:51:39] and everything else that
we predicted to you,
[1:51:41] income level wise.
[1:51:42] I redid the numbers
a couple weeks ago.
[1:51:44] And we're still on
point only variable.
[1:51:46] We have obviously is
admission because it's
[1:51:49] too early to judge anything.
[1:51:51] We won't know that
until roughly ten days
[1:51:54] out to start comparing
against last year,
[1:51:57] but we're comping into that.
[1:51:58] Our numbers are solid
in that area Oh,
[1:52:02] in the grant that you
guys talked about,
[1:52:07] if we if we're
awarded the grant,
[1:52:08] that money would revert to you.
[1:52:10] It come to us, it revert to you.
[1:52:11] And you guys did submit
the grant last week.
[1:52:14] I believe, to the county Can
you repeat what you just said?
[1:52:17] So so there's so we
would potentially
[1:52:19] get this reimbursed back.
[1:52:20] I missed.
[1:52:21] Yes.
[1:52:22] So I forget how much
grand was for 25,
[1:52:25] I don't know what was sent.
[1:52:26] I didn't see was city manager.
[1:52:29] 50 plus 50.
[1:52:31] OK So is that a state
grant or a federal grant?
[1:52:34] It's there.
[1:52:34] The county cultural division.
[1:52:36] OK.
[1:52:36] So potentially we give the money
If the county grants the grant
[1:52:41] then we just get it back right?
[1:52:43] Basically.
[1:52:44] Correct.
[1:52:44] OK And I understand
that that they've
[1:52:46] been for multi-year events
like this, that they generally
[1:52:50] the outlook has looks good,
at least from other events
[1:52:52] I'm involved that are applying.
[1:52:53] They all seem to be
getting positive feedback
[1:52:55] that they're going
to maybe, I guess,
[1:52:57] kind of tell a different here.
[1:52:58] It seems like a lot of events
that are multi-year established,
[1:53:01] it doesn't seem like it's
very difficult for them
[1:53:02] to get the right right.
[1:53:03] So just like last year,
you know although Jeff
[1:53:06] Sterling and Hot
Spots is the promoter,
[1:53:08] this is a Wilton Manors event.
[1:53:10] And I think we should
be a sponsor of it.
[1:53:13] And i'm happy to support that
50,000 like we did last year,
[1:53:16] especially in these
times where sponsors are
[1:53:20] decreasing or staying the same.
[1:53:21] Right?
[1:53:22] We're not able there's a lot of
products across the country that
[1:53:24] are losing their sponsorships
due to the nature
[1:53:27] of the environment.
[1:53:29] So I've i've had some
discussions with Jeff.
[1:53:32] I have torn apart his panel.
[1:53:33] And in some cases him,
which I apologize for.
[1:53:35] But he's been very
responsive about it
[1:53:37] I had said previously
that I would not support
[1:53:41] any sponsorship because the
event did so well last year
[1:53:44] financially Some
things have changed,
[1:53:46] but one of the things that
has me open to considering it
[1:53:49] is there's a new.
[1:53:50] I see a line item for metal
detectors which is a new $35,000
[1:53:55] increase cost that that you're
bearing because we're requiring
[1:53:58] metal detectors.
[1:53:59] I understand we're not
requiring that particular model.
[1:54:01] But for.
[1:54:02] We've also required that
the line move efficiently.
[1:54:03] And so you went with that model.
[1:54:05] So the line moves efficiently.
[1:54:07] Just as a general kind
of comment you know,
[1:54:10] we have to bear in mind.
[1:54:12] And it's chief's job, but she's
done very well is ensuring
[1:54:16] people are safe above all else.
[1:54:17] Right.
[1:54:17] But every time we keep adding
these level $35,000 now every
[1:54:21] year as a new recurring cost,
it makes these events more
[1:54:24] difficult. And frankly, we
potentially end up paying for it
[1:54:27] through sponsorship because
that's what you know,
[1:54:29] that's where the gap is.
[1:54:30] In other areas, they've
made up, you know,
[1:54:32] I think it's important as a city
like we have other areas like I
[1:54:35] can think of outside
of say, Jim Bar,
[1:54:37] where we were applying
to potentially
[1:54:38] get ballots to protect people.
[1:54:40] Like if we're going to require
that events protect people,
[1:54:42] we have to do ourselves.
[1:54:44] We have to we know we know where
we have weak spots in our city.
[1:54:46] And I think it's just as
important that we address those.
[1:54:48] That's sort of a tangent,
but I think it's relevant
[1:54:50] if we're making you cover that.
[1:54:53] The the grant thing is
definitely new to me.
[1:54:56] And I think that that
for me is something that
[1:54:59] makes me open to doing this.
[1:55:00] One other consideration is
that going to be will matter?
[1:55:03] Stonewall I mean, I
think I love for it
[1:55:06] to be branded will do matters
not just stonewall Yes, it would
[1:55:09] it would be just like last year.
[1:55:11] The title is the
title of the event.
[1:55:13] So it'll be the Wilton Manors,
Stonewall festival and the other
[1:55:18] and and we change the
logo, added your name
[1:55:21] across the top and things
like that That's good I mean,
[1:55:28] I agree.
[1:55:28] I mean, we have taxpayers
that are complaining
[1:55:30] about their taxes you know,
giving money to events
[1:55:35] But this is our one of our
two signature events a year.
[1:55:38] And every city
has certain events
[1:55:42] that they have and
they put pride in
[1:55:44] and this is one that we do.
[1:55:47] But just to let everybody
know, give me this
[1:55:50] $50,000 is not the
only thing we do
[1:55:55] in support for Stonewall pride.
[1:55:58] Do you have any numbers
at all for that?
[1:56:00] We're i don't have I didn't have
enough time to get the numbers
[1:56:06] together But you're right.
[1:56:08] The city makes a
substantial contribution
[1:56:11] and waived permit fees,
staff time, both at the event
[1:56:15] and leading up to the
event to help plan and make
[1:56:17] sure that it's a success.
[1:56:19] So we've got a lot of
department directors
[1:56:22] that will work quite
a bit of overtime
[1:56:25] and the day of the event.
[1:56:26] That's a contribution as well
Internally we use 30,000.
[1:56:31] That's why I or the other
portion of the work,
[1:56:34] I just want people
to know that, yeah,
[1:56:35] you know, and I'm
not plenty I'm just
[1:56:38] saying it's not just 50,000.
[1:56:40] There's a lot of other things
that we do behind the scenes
[1:56:43] like and who do you
for 2 or 3 days?
[1:56:45] I don't know if he gets any
sleep at all during this event
[1:56:48] because he pretty much
helps you run the event
[1:56:51] on the day or day before.
[1:56:53] And he I know he's glad to
do it until halfway through
[1:56:57] and he's dead tired of
your police department
[1:57:02] also for the interim
where the overtime that's
[1:57:05] able to be internalized by
using the wrong words here okay
[1:57:08] but that's not
that's also covered
[1:57:11] by the budget within the city
So there's that number is not
[1:57:15] reflected when I
come up with the 30
[1:57:17] because I don't
know what it is OK.
[1:57:19] All right.
[1:57:20] Thank you.
[1:57:21] Thank you.
[1:57:21] Yeah, I just.
[1:57:23] I'm sorry.
[1:57:23] I didn't know you
had a question.
[1:57:24] I had one other
comment last year
[1:57:27] when we did the sponsorship,
we paid for, I think it
[1:57:30] was police and fire directly.
[1:57:33] Yeah.
[1:57:34] And i would just recommend
we do the same thing.
[1:57:38] This is the sponsorship
is a cash $50,000
[1:57:42] contribution and I'm
assuming that means
[1:57:44] cash as opposed to in-kind.
[1:57:45] And that's correct
because we don't
[1:57:48] allow the top level items to be
in-kind at the 25 mark or over.
[1:57:53] So the idea is in
theory is cash.
[1:57:56] And we did request the escrow
account was by our request
[1:58:01] and the police departments that
we continue with the escrow
[1:58:04] concept where you guys would
fund the escrow on the monies
[1:58:06] we paid for that we
are agreement with that
[1:58:09] because it solves everyone wants
their money now what do you say?
[1:58:12] Oh, the city will pay you.
[1:58:14] Then all of a sudden that rush.
[1:58:15] They needed is no longer there.
[1:58:16] I fix it off.
[1:58:17] I just feel a little
bit better about it.
[1:58:20] Going for safety, security,
and fire than a blanket.
[1:58:23] Chuck for Stonewall.
[1:58:25] And that's pretty much
what we did last year.
[1:58:27] So that's what I
would recommend.
[1:58:29] Got you Yeah, Yeah,
we're good All right.
[1:58:32] Thanks.
[1:58:32] Thank you.
[1:58:33] Thank you.
[1:58:33] Thank you, everyone we need a
motion to have to donate $50,000
[1:58:44] in escrow to the Stonewall.
[1:58:47] How do you want to hear that?
[1:58:48] Well, we'd like to work on
a sponsorship agreement.
[1:58:52] Okay.
[1:58:53] So you want to bring
it back next meeting?
[1:58:54] Yes.
[1:58:55] All right.
[1:58:55] I was like a resolution.
[1:58:56] Yeah, and that'll have the
contingency about the grant
[1:58:59] money being reimbursed to us.
[1:59:01] Make sure that's documented.
[1:59:03] OK All right.
[1:59:04] So you have direction, and
then you guys will do that.
[1:59:07] Will we're not here.
[1:59:07] Yes.
[1:59:08] And may or I misspoke.
[1:59:09] I do have the calculation.
[1:59:10] Okay The city's contribution.
[1:59:12] So in addition to the
$50,000 event sponsorship,
[1:59:16] it's about another $48,000
in staff and budgeted
[1:59:21] cost So over 700 staff hours.
[1:59:25] We also do road
closure barricades.
[1:59:27] We rent water trucks.
[1:59:28] It's quite a contribution.
[1:59:30] OK.
[1:59:31] Thank you, Chief can you
just come on up for a second?
[1:59:35] So what I ask your question.
[1:59:37] Because we have two main events.
[1:59:39] One is Stonewall
and the other one
[1:59:40] is wicked manners What's the
difference in or maybe AC
[1:59:47] might be clear.
[1:59:48] What's the difference
in staffing for one
[1:59:51] or the other as far as
police and safety and is
[1:59:57] is a good evening.
[1:59:57] Darren Brodsky, Assistant chief
for your police department
[2:00:01] The difference between
the two events,
[2:00:03] right as far as the police
department's concerned,
[2:00:05] I mean I know we have X amount.
[2:00:06] I don't want to say
how many because that's
[2:00:08] for security reasons, bye.
[2:00:11] Know Stonewall has so many.
[2:00:13] And then and then
look at manners
[2:00:15] is another is it substantially
different Yeah, I'd
[2:00:19] say Stonewall has a somewhat of
a significant larger footprint
[2:00:26] And look at manners
because of the parade.
[2:00:29] You know All right.
[2:00:31] I mean, those are
our two main events.
[2:00:33] And i was just.
[2:00:36] Any reason why i mean, I
understand the parade walk
[2:00:41] in the parade and and that.
[2:00:44] But I mean, we have
just as many people,
[2:00:46] if not more at
wicked manners and we
[2:00:49] do stuff the logistics
of the parade and the set
[2:00:55] up of the safety lane
that requires the parade
[2:00:58] to go on the safety
lane and then
[2:01:00] managing the crossings during
that time frame is what creates
[2:01:04] a lot of the extraneous
different sizes
[2:01:08] and probably cost and personnel.
[2:01:11] But for the most part, the
footprint of the actual event
[2:01:16] other than this year, last year,
it was from 21st court to buy
[2:01:22] points this year it has
expanded to 20 Street,
[2:01:26] where it was two years ago.
[2:01:30] So that does that does
add to it as well.
[2:01:32] True.
[2:01:32] True.
[2:01:32] I like that, though.
[2:01:33] I mean, I felt bad about some of
the business I won't drive that.
[2:01:36] We're not always excluded.
[2:01:38] And I thought it was
wrong that you know,
[2:01:41] they're kind of pushed
out with the big event.
[2:01:43] So what matters.
[2:01:43] Everybody is walks right by all
those places from the bridge,
[2:01:47] you know towards city Hall.
[2:01:49] So I'm glad they are
doing that this year
[2:01:52] So it's a plus for everybody.
[2:01:53] All right.
[2:01:54] Thank you.
[2:01:54] I just wanted to.
[2:01:55] Yes, sir.
[2:01:56] Thank you All right.
[2:01:57] Request for replacement
of items for next meeting.
[2:02:00] I'd like to. doesn't need to be
next meeting, but a few to say.
[2:02:04] I'm going to say no to
now for a future meeting.
[2:02:07] I won't be the next.
[2:02:09] Yeah go ahead I'd like to have
a discussion about the direction
[2:02:17] we're going on.
[2:02:18] We're going in with regard
to economic development
[2:02:21] We talk about economic
development all the time.
[2:02:22] But we don't really have a
plan of what we're going to do.
[2:02:25] So I'd just like to have
an a discussion about that.
[2:02:28] OK For a future meeting, I want
to bring back the issue of where
[2:02:32] the money from the
E go, whether that's
[2:02:33] with that when that comes back.
[2:02:35] But I definitely to
finish that discussion.
[2:02:37] Oh, yeah.
[2:02:38] Good good Thank you all
for coming out tonight.
[2:02:42] This meeting is adjourned.
[2:02:45] OK well, we go 20.
[2:02:49] Your parking is going to
start a half hour afterwards.
[2:02:54] You're in trouble just because
good is going to be here.
[2:03:02] Feet next door to the
footprint of the meeting.
[2:03:10] I have.
[2:03:10] I think I really do like you.
[2:03:12] Tomorrow I'll come
down and try to do
[2:03:15] the day after i leave at 26.
[2:03:18] Actually, you guys
don't just have great.
[2:03:21] You can have donuts Oh, you're
calling You're quite all right.
[2:03:25] I'm.
[2:03:26] I am not.
[2:03:27] I can tell you that.
[2:03:28] Oh, no, you don't.
[2:03:28] I saw that Q Krispy kreme.
[2:03:30] How I was going to say
last time when I missed,
[2:03:32] I was like, oh,
you're going to call.
[2:03:35] I was on a cruise.
[2:03:36] I am not going to forget.
[2:03:39] We give them to you here, right?
[2:03:42] Yeah.
[2:03:43] So all right.
[2:03:52] You have a great
trip Didn't do too.
[2:03:54] One for.