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[3:08] Please Good evening, everyone
Please take your seats.
[3:16] Not on.
[3:18] Hello Don't.
[3:23] Don't put on the model OK.
[3:25] Sit down.
[3:26] Usually my voice is loud enough
to get everybody to settle
[3:30] down Please take your seats.
[3:32] Please turn your phones off or
put them on vibrate, please.
[3:38] And after we start the
meeting, we have a proclamation
[3:40] before a public comment.
[3:43] And for the proclamation, we
have a few people outside that
[3:47] would like to come in for that.
[3:49] So if anybody, when
the proclamation
[3:52] starts, if you would, please
volunteer to go outside.
[3:55] We need about five of
you but you'll be put
[3:59] right Don't do it right now.
[4:00] You don't really
right now I'll let you
[4:02] know when you have to leave.
[4:03] But you're going to be put
right by the front door.
[4:05] So as soon as the
recreation is done they'll.
[4:08] They'll let you right
back in Because, Dana,
[4:09] if right now you're okay
everybody understand?
[4:13] Everybody ready ?
[4:15] Yeah.
[4:15] Senior manager.
[4:16] You ready ?
[4:17] City Clerk.
[4:18] Are you ready?
[4:18] Yes Oh.
[4:19] City.
[4:20] City Commission Everybody good?
[4:22] Yeah.
[4:22] OK.
[4:23] All right I'm.
[4:25] I call a city commission
meeting on Tuesday, August 25th.
[4:29] That 705 to order.
[4:31] Please stand For the pledge.
[5:04] I guess a lot of you
are aware that Dolly
[5:07] Parton died today And I'm.
[5:11] That's all right.
[5:11] Let's go out She was really
big on a couple of things.
[5:16] She was very big advocate
for the LGBTQ community
[5:19] and she was really big on kids
reading She had a big fund
[5:24] foundation that a lot of her
money went to buying books
[5:28] for underprivileged kids.
[5:29] And so we are going to have the
commission will allow me to put
[5:34] the colors of pink and
purple for Dolly for the week
[5:39] and lower the American
flag and the LGBTQ flag.
[5:43] So it's been a moment of silence
for sweet woman Dolly Parton
[6:01] Thank you Roll call, please.
[6:06] Commissioner Rocky Brockie,
you're commissioner Armenia.
[6:09] You're Commissioner rowley here.
[6:11] Vice Mayor Caputo here.
[6:12] Mayor Newton here
Changes and additions.
[6:16] I like to move the Community
Affairs Board to right
[6:21] after the consent agenda, if
everybody doesn't mind Sure.
[6:24] Sure.
[6:25] And then since we have
a lot of people here,
[6:27] I think are not for some of
the other things on here.
[6:31] I think they're here for the
alibi property has a lot of us
[6:36] call it How about can we
move Article 30 and table
[6:39] it to a meeting down the road?
[6:42] If everybody's okay with it?
[6:43] I support that But you want
to table it for a meeting?
[6:47] Yeah at the next
meeting or second?
[6:49] Can we.
[6:50] Can we do it at
the next meeting?
[6:51] Yeah.
[6:52] Oh, I would agree to a table.
[6:54] Right.
[6:55] OK Anybody else?
[6:56] I have two items, please.
[6:57] Sure.
[6:58] The First presentation was
a presentation for a grant.
[7:03] The board member that
was going to present it
[7:05] is an able to be
here this evening.
[7:06] So we will move that to the
next city commission meeting
[7:10] We'd also like to table item 13
a related to parking, parking,
[7:17] RFP that will come back
at the next meeting
[7:20] as well I would like to
add a topic at the end.
[7:25] New Business Rules
about agenda packets,
[7:29] rules and about agenda packets.
[7:31] Sure Anybody else ?
[7:45] No.
[7:46] No OK, we'll move on All right.
[7:51] Now, is there anybody that
would please go outside?
[7:56] We need Five people.
[7:58] And then we'll bring you right
back in, I promise right after i
[8:04] Where's her own?
[8:04] By where He's got other areas.
[8:08] Come on up Come
on up Don't be shy
[8:18] Yeah Which way for your people
to get in here for a second?
[8:25] Yeah If you can come in.
[8:27] Yeah, I know.
[8:28] I mean everyone, come on
in Money and come on in.
[8:32] Go on in.
[8:32] You come up and take pictures.
[8:33] If you.
[8:34] Come on this, okay?
[8:35] Yes, please.
[8:36] You come over here if you want.
[8:37] Probably another appropriate
It's hot anywhere
[8:43] And that's good.
[8:45] It's warm in here.
[8:46] Appreciate it.
[8:47] Is Hey, I got everybody here
that was going to come in You
[8:53] know, they're all in there.
[8:54] I know.
[8:55] Yeah.
[8:55] OK All right.
[8:57] We're HIV prevention remains a
vital public health priority.
[9:01] And advances in prep have
transformed from HIV prevention
[9:05] and helping reduce
new HIV infections.
[9:09] Whereas heroin by haroon
Sarah has dedicated years
[9:14] to advanced HIV prevention
in the city of Wilton Manors
[9:17] and South Florida through
education advocacy, community
[9:22] outreach and connecting
hundreds of individuals
[9:24] to HIV prevention services
and care And his leadership
[9:29] and commitment have
helped reduce stigma
[9:31] and expanded awareness of
Prep encourages HIV testing
[9:36] and improve access
to improves access
[9:40] to life saving
prevention resources
[9:43] The city will manage recognized
the importance of honoring
[9:45] individuals who serve
strengthens the health
[9:48] and well-being of the community,
will continue to promote HIV
[9:51] prevention and health equity.
[9:54] therefore, the mayor of the
city will Mainers and the city
[9:56] manager do hereby proclaim
that August August 27th,
[10:00] 2002 weeks as HIV five
Prevention and prep awareness
[10:03] day and in recognition of
the outstanding contributions
[10:07] descriptions of heroin by
prevention I say, running
[10:12] the route out of what I say.
[10:14] Oh, I say oh, sorry
that's what I do I see.
[10:19] If I remember now, I will
prevention and public health
[10:22] and encourage all residents
to learn about HIV prevention,
[10:25] get tested and know their
status and consider prep as part
[10:29] of ending the hIV epidemic
And we thank you for what
[10:33] you've done for
our community Would
[10:45] you like to say a few words ?
[10:47] If you.
[10:47] I mean, I can talk
forever, trust.
[10:50] I'll give you three minutes.
[10:52] Know One minute.
[10:52] That's enough.
[10:53] Actually.
[10:53] Thank you very much, Mayor.
[10:55] Commissioners vice
mayor, everyone actually
[10:57] thought I is the same story.
[10:59] Probably.
[10:59] I tell myself that all the time.
[11:01] But i'll say it again.
[11:02] Um, so I move there.
[11:05] Five years ago from
the Middle East
[11:07] not knowing what HIV, HIV
means actually, or prep means.
[11:11] And, um, I came to Alton
Manors and they didn't even
[11:14] know that something
like this, you
[11:15] know when, when you're a gay man
living in, in in the Arab world
[11:20] your dream is to have like,
to build something like this,
[11:22] you know, like, oh, my God,
a city where everyone is.
[11:25] Well, mostly sorry.
[11:25] You know, most of people
like, oh, yeah, absolutely.
[11:29] That's a dream.
[11:30] But then it actually
it's the truth.
[11:32] So i came here, and I
started meeting people.
[11:35] I remember i mean, I met.
[11:37] I met a lot of
people in this room,
[11:39] like I hopefully
you guys remember.
[11:41] Oh, yeah.
[11:41] But um One of the
first people was
[11:45] the vice mayor, Chris Caputo.
[11:46] Actually, that I met here.
[11:48] And I met I know.
[11:49] And then I met commissioner
Don Commissioner Mike.
[11:53] I didn't get to meet you.
[11:55] Paul.
[11:55] Sorry, but.
[11:56] Or the mayor here.
[11:57] But yeah and I got the support
of the community and I worked.
[12:03] I've been working for H.f.
for almost four years,
[12:05] and we have been helping a
lot of people and prevention
[12:09] and treatment of HIV I
am really honored today
[12:13] and blessed that I am part
of this beautiful city.
[12:17] So hopefully we can
do better There's
[12:20] a lot Thank you for all You do.
[12:29] You Congrats You know you
can Thank you this way I get
[12:44] in trouble for that rule
I come in the synagogues,
[12:50] take pictures Very nice And
i'll hear oh congratulations.
[13:10] Thank you.
[13:11] All right Thank
you You know, faces
[13:28] That's good I'm glad we
could do stuff like this Them
[13:40] to come back and Yeah.
[13:42] And everybody come back
in that they went out
[13:46] thank you very much for doing
that for us so any empty seats
[13:50] that people can show
other people standing
[13:53] up in the back now no open seats
anywhere You got one over here.
[14:00] So may want to sit down
Nobody wants to sit down
[14:03] and got open seat over
here So All right.
[14:08] I'm going over there
for people now.
[14:09] There's one more.
[14:10] There, too, in the front.
[14:11] And you guys left here now.
[14:14] OK All right.
[14:15] Presentations Chief Thank you.
[14:32] You, Mr. Mayor.
[14:33] Our city commission.
[14:34] I want to thank you all
in our community tonight
[14:36] for allowing our
police department
[14:38] to take up a few extra seats
to allow our team members to be
[14:41] here tonight to support
their award recipients
[14:44] but also their family members
and their children that
[14:46] are here tonight.
[14:47] I see is with us.
[14:49] Gary Block, your
chief of police.
[14:51] And I would like to ask Officer
Steven Tapia to join me up here
[14:56] Officer Poirier,
Officer man Fergus
[15:08] So we're going to start with
Officer Officer Steven Tapia
[15:10] right here.
[15:11] He's going to be recognized
and those are for the court
[15:13] for the second quarter of 2026.
[15:16] And he began he began road
patrol here on January 16, 2026,
[15:20] after successfully
completing field training
[15:23] in just a few short months.
[15:24] You quickly
distinguished yourself
[15:26] through your initiative, strong
work ethic and commitment
[15:29] to serving the community
during the second quarter,
[15:31] you accounted for 20% of the
agency's traffic citations
[15:35] and warnings, issuing Eight 147
as part of our traffic education
[15:39] and enforcement efforts That
looks to reduce traffic crashes.
[15:43] You also handle 9%
of the agency's calls
[15:45] for service authored.
[15:46] 9% of all reports are
responsible for 8% of arrests.
[15:50] An impressive level of
activity for an officer.
[15:52] So early in your career,
but your performance
[15:56] is more than just statistics.
[15:58] At 1249 on June 29th,
you responded with
[16:01] fellow officers to a
burglary in progress
[16:03] at an occupied residence.
[16:04] After a neighbor reported
someone attempting
[16:07] to break into the apartment
of an elderly woman
[16:10] who was home at the time.
[16:11] You and your fellow officers
quickly located the arrested
[16:14] and arrested the offender.
[16:15] But your work did
not stop there.
[16:17] Through a thorough follow
up and investigation,
[16:20] you obtain an admission
from the offender
[16:22] and uncovered
additional evidence,
[16:24] including stolen property
and burglary tools.
[16:27] Your work that morning
demonstrated initiative,
[16:29] sound judgment and a commitment
to seeing the investigation
[16:32] through There's also
another incident here that's
[16:35] going to be mentioned
here momentarily
[16:37] but all sorts happy
in a short time.
[16:39] You have proven to be a
proactive and dependable member
[16:41] of the department, whether
enforcing traffic laws,
[16:43] investigating criminal activity
responding to calls for service
[16:46] or helping someone during a life
threatening emergency you have
[16:50] shown what it means
to be committed
[16:51] to your profession, your
fellow officers and most
[16:54] importantly, the community.
[16:56] We serve.
[16:57] I'm going to segway
right into a life saving
[16:59] and commendation
award, and we're going
[17:02] to invite Officer man Fergus.
[17:05] Officer Boyer, Tap here in this
conversation along with Officer
[17:09] Steven Tapia on May
26th, 2026 Officers,
[17:13] these Three officers responded
to an urgent call involving
[17:15] a two year old child who was
unconscious and not breathing
[17:18] Upon their arrival, they were
met by the child's mother who
[17:22] was holding her unresponsive son
and urgently needed their help
[17:27] Officer Man Fergus tapia, you
immediately assess the child
[17:30] and determine that his airway
was obstructed by fluid
[17:32] and mucus while he was
experience seeing a seizure
[17:35] and an extremely high fever.
[17:38] Knowing every second mattered.
[17:39] You acted without hesitation.
[17:41] Officer Tapia positioned
the child while also
[17:43] remained food was administered.
[17:44] Black back blows
clearing the obstruction
[17:47] and restoring his breathing.
[17:49] I'll tell you what, if you watch
that body worn camera, man,
[17:51] it was some great,
great police work
[17:54] And for that child to be
here today it is awesome.
[17:57] Not in this room, but
today it is awesome.
[17:59] Recognizing the need for
advanced medical care.
[18:02] Officer Tapia, you then carried
the child more than 500ft
[18:05] to the awaiting paramedics while
lifesaving efforts continued
[18:08] For your swift response,
sound judgment and commitment
[18:10] to preserving life
officers angelo,
[18:12] Man, Fergus and Stephen tapia.
[18:14] Tonight you're being presented
with our agency's life saving
[18:17] award.
[18:18] Officer Poirier, for
your professionalism,
[18:20] teamwork, because it took
all three of these gentlemen
[18:22] to make sure that child survived
and portant contribution
[18:25] to the successful response
You are being presented
[18:28] with a commendation, an award.
[18:30] Please join me.
[18:31] Why?
[18:32] We congratulate these three
officers for their life.
[18:34] And for Mr. Mayor Merriman.
[18:51] I'm told little youngsters
in the audience here.
[18:54] Oh, really?
[18:55] Mom, Dad Hey Jack.
[19:02] Behind you.
[19:03] Zero.
[19:04] Watch out.
[19:05] Behind you.
[19:05] They're coming on Yeah yeah.
[19:19] I'm going to try a little
some here I know Dad's here,
[19:23] but I heard I heard only
Mom was here, but glass.
[19:25] Yes.
[19:26] Four for Toyota.
[19:28] Two of Atlantia e to a more poor
to evil Nuestro Departamento de
[19:33] policia de Felice Stop or say
when a gun madre that means
[19:40] thank you for your help.
[19:41] Your courage and your
love for your child.
[19:42] Our police department
commends you for being
[19:44] a great mother and father.
[19:46] Well done sweet They want our
guys stay up here together
[19:57] and stay down here
You guys, thank
[20:04] you so much for all you do.
[20:05] Much appreciate it.
[20:06] So let me ask you this.
[20:07] Secret Service somebody
on the other side kind
[20:10] of even it out right?
[20:12] Get closer.
[20:13] Don't be afraid.
[20:14] Make sure to hold your Yeah,
be good You can come up.
[20:36] You can take them.
[20:36] Come up and take the
picture if you want.
[20:38] Don't be shy.
[20:39] Just afraid It's
Tuesday Thank you.
[20:48] Congratulations.
[20:49] On this gentleman.
[20:57] Thank you Congratulations.
[20:58] Good, great work.
[20:59] Really amazing Thank you.
[21:01] Just One Thank you so much.
[21:07] Thank you Thanks,
Chief Thank you.
[21:13] All right Now we have
the Broward County chief
[21:15] resilient officer, Dr. Herr.
[21:16] I know you here.
[21:18] There you go.
[21:19] You are.
[21:20] How are you I don't
know who is at first
[21:23] was coming in for this, so I
just like, let them go first.
[21:26] I wasn't skipping
you on purpose.
[21:29] How are you doing tonight?
[21:30] Doing very well thank you.
[21:31] Mayor, Vice, Mayor,
Commissioners Appreciate
[21:33] the opportunity Yes, please
to have a few minutes
[21:37] on your agenda today.
[21:39] I am the chief resilience
officer for Broward County
[21:43] and I'm here on behalf of
the Broward County Commission
[21:45] to share a new grant
program that the county
[21:48] commission is rolling
out just just about now.
[21:52] And that is grant funding
in support of infrastructure
[21:55] for improvements to aid
flood risk reduction
[21:59] and earlier this year
there was an announcement.
[22:03] And decision to move
forward with a $20 million
[22:05] round location to
support these investments
[22:09] through a grant program that
will open on September 2.
[22:14] The focus is flood
risk reduction
[22:16] And given the implication
of rising seas and rainfall
[22:20] intensification and what we
know that means to flood risk
[22:24] and damage losses and economic
disruptions in our community,
[22:28] We spent several years working
on the development of a county
[22:32] wide resilience plan focused on
dozens and dozens of scenarios
[22:36] of flood risk Ultimately,
[22:38] there were a suite of
adaptation projects
[22:41] that were recommended there
captured in the banner there
[22:44] on the right The point being
that these investments are
[22:48] indeed county wide but
the county commissions
[22:52] and they and they fall into
a variety of categories
[22:54] and these will
occur over decades
[22:57] But there are
projects that we know
[22:58] we can advance much
more quickly, delivering
[23:01] flood risk reduction.
[23:03] With those benefits that
will accrue each year.
[23:05] And those are investments
that support in some of this
[23:08] won't be necessarily relevant
to every type of infrastructure
[23:11] you have in the city.
[23:13] But control structures
on canal floors,
[23:16] pumps, inland and coastal
oil and culvert improvements.
[23:21] The risk reduction that we
modeled for Wilton Manors
[23:24] is revealed here.
[23:25] The image captures anticipate
and flood elevations
[23:29] with Two full feet
of sea level rise,
[23:31] which is our 2050 condition.
[23:34] A 100 year rainfall event and
20 year storm surge scenario
[23:39] So the red areas show where
we would expect to see
[23:41] more than two feet of water.
[23:43] The yellow areas, you
know, six inches to a foot.
[23:45] And then the light green,
less than Six inches.
[23:48] And the image on the
left shows no adaptation.
[23:52] And the image on the
right shows the adaptation
[23:55] projects that we modeled.
[23:57] And you can see the
relative improvement
[24:02] The modeling incorporates
the types of projects that
[24:05] enhanced orange water
conveyance, green infrastructure
[24:09] improvements.
[24:10] You know, there images
on the right kind
[24:12] of reveal what it
looks like, but then
[24:14] you take it into model land.
[24:16] And that's how we're
trying to trans slate
[24:18] the performance of projects to
the risk reduction And in total,
[24:22] we also wanted to look at
not only the risk reduction,
[24:25] but what it means
for economic cost.
[24:27] And we know with rising
flood insurance costs
[24:30] potential threats to property
value use, when you have
[24:33] repetitive losses those
implications for tax revenues
[24:38] when values drop, revenues do.
[24:40] And it makes it
harder and harder
[24:41] to keep up with the
infrastructure investment
[24:43] that we need, which is the point
of invest now rather than defer
[24:47] on improvements that we
know will need to be made
[24:50] in any eventuality But the plan
comes with a very significant
[24:55] cost We were looking at
about 28 billion in total
[24:59] through public and private
investment over the next Four
[25:03] decades or so So we really
worked over this last year
[25:07] to break it down into
something more manageable
[25:11] And the commission started
with the first billion
[25:14] and anticipated capital costs
being those pumps culverts
[25:17] and control structures, things
that can go in the ground.
[25:20] we also know that there's
about another 2 billion
[25:24] anticipated in additional
infrastructure in the way
[25:27] of pumps and seawalls are
going to be an important area
[25:30] of investment for community such
as yours and our coastal areas
[25:34] But to get started we had an
initial grant program last year,
[25:40] started with culverts
demonstrated a really strong
[25:43] leveraging of funds,
and the Commission
[25:45] is seeking to achieve that same
formula with the allocation now.
[25:50] So we're prepared
through the program
[25:52] to provide a 25% cost
share on the projects
[25:56] overall are obligated
to staff is to leverage
[25:59] those dollars 5 to 1.
[26:00] Some projects will have a
higher and lesser return,
[26:03] but the goal is year
after year for 15 years.
[26:06] If we can leverage the dollars,
well, we can put $1.5 billion
[26:10] of infrastructure in
the ground while we're
[26:12] working on the larger solutions
that help with the more
[26:15] complete plan, I will
share the county's
[26:17] capital budget workshop today.
[26:20] That funding was represented in
the five year capital program
[26:23] So it is the direction
that the Commission
[26:26] is interested in taking the
grant criteria detailed here.
[26:31] I won't need to go over that.
[26:32] They are posted on the website
at Resilient Brower We're here
[26:36] to encourage you the city's
application to ensure that you
[26:40] all know about the grant
funding opportunity
[26:43] We realize this is year one
next year may be a little bit
[26:46] more planning in advance
because we can anticipate
[26:49] that potentially
the partnerships
[26:51] and the funding resilient
Florida grant funding
[26:54] can also be leveraged.
[26:56] But our goal is, is
bringing as much dollars
[26:58] back to Broward County
and our communities
[26:59] for the flood
protections we know
[27:01] we need The grants will
allow for a project
[27:04] over a period of three years.
[27:06] What's shown here in this image
is the areas where we anticipate
[27:10] the city of Wilton
manors would ultimately
[27:12] need additional
pumping and drainage
[27:15] on the back side of sea walls
that would be constructed.
[27:18] So we didn't predetermine where
those project locations might
[27:22] be, but recognize that we
expect in your community,
[27:26] you'll be looking at that
whether it's this year or later
[27:29] years So i'm acknowledging
that's an area
[27:34] like active opportunity
for the city
[27:36] and the dollars can be
used to support design,
[27:39] construct design,
and permitting.
[27:41] But the deliver proposal
must be construction
[27:44] The details on the timeline
for the grant program
[27:47] are shown here.
[27:48] Again, we'll formally open the
portal on September Second,
[27:52] will receive applications
through the end of October.
[27:55] Look to rank and
evaluate for our board
[27:57] by the end of December.
[27:58] And then hopefully have those
grants issued in in the spring.
[28:02] So thank you for your
time and attention
[28:04] and look forward to receiving.
[28:05] Applications are working
together through you.
[28:07] Any questions you, your team
might have any questions.
[28:11] So thank you for.
[28:13] Thank you very much appreciate
it There's a huge problem for us
[28:17] down here, I promise
you Thank you All right
[28:23] We're going to start comments
from the public You're going
[28:25] to get three minutes,
please state your name
[28:28] and address for us, please.
[28:30] And when the buzzer goes off,
we have plenty of people here
[28:32] tonight, if you'd please
stop your comments
[28:34] when you hear the buzzer
I really appreciate it.
[28:38] Anyone here would
like to come up
[28:39] and speak you can be second I'll
be very, very quick I promise.
[28:52] Hi.
[28:52] Melody Manning to 428
northeast Sixth Avenue.
[28:56] I'm actually not here to talk
about any of the big projects
[28:58] and I did want to acknowledge
the fact that we all
[29:01] know Dolly Parton died today.
[29:03] And she was my idol.
[29:04] So I came up here just to read a
quote from Dolly because I think
[29:08] it pertains to all of us in
this room that are working
[29:11] towards a better community.
[29:14] And I promise i
won't be the quote.
[29:16] My favorite Dolly Parton
quote, which is that
[29:18] takes a lot of money to look
this cheap and I quote this.
[29:23] And she said, and I
quote, If you can't change
[29:26] the whole wide world, change
your own little world,
[29:29] we can look around us.
[29:30] So what for our
community, help the people
[29:33] and make the world a little
bit better That kind of change
[29:36] doesn't make headlines
but it matters.
[29:39] And i wanted to come up here
and say that everybody that
[29:41] is in this room right now is
trying to help their community,
[29:43] even though we don't
agree on a lot.
[29:45] And we fight quite a bit.
[29:48] We fight because we believe what
we are doing for our community
[29:53] matters That's all Thank you
And we still respect each other
[30:02] after our comments
because we all try
[30:05] to live here together Go ahead.
[30:08] Hi my name is Gary
Defi reside at 2015
[30:12] Northeast Seventh Avenue.
[30:14] I am here to voice my
thoughts regarding the shops
[30:18] of Wilton manors development.
[30:19] And it's impact on.
[30:21] Cut through traffic
and Northeast
[30:23] Seventh Avenue 20th Street
21st Street and 22nd drive.
[30:29] I appreciate the measures
already implemented
[30:32] by the city and the
developer for traffic egress
[30:36] and to seven three
avenue include left
[30:39] turn only a no turn right
lighted signs directing traffic
[30:45] towards Wilton Drive the raised
diverter curb pavement signage
[30:50] and the traffic calming
table we currently experience
[30:55] an excessive amount of
cut through traffic even
[30:59] with the existing
building at zero capacity.
[31:03] As stated in the city
of Wilton Manors,
[31:05] traffic calming
manual drivers cutting
[31:08] through residential neighborhood
create a significant danger
[31:13] to children Walkers, joggers,
bicyclists, pets and wildlife.
[31:19] This situation atIon
encourages motorists motorists
[31:23] to use shortcuts
through our neighborhood
[31:26] even during non-peak
hours causing
[31:29] justify both concern
among residents regarding
[31:33] safety and livability.
[31:35] For a context, I have a newborn
baby living across the street
[31:40] from my house.
[31:41] I have a neighbor
next door that's
[31:43] blind The city of Wilton
Manors traffic calming manual
[31:50] indicates that Wilton Drive is
the intended route for traffic
[31:55] from this development rather
than Northeast Seventh Avenue,
[31:59] which is a residential street.
[32:02] Again, I appreciate the measures
already taken from the city
[32:07] and the developers and the
additional traffic calming
[32:11] measures that can be improved to
protect our residential streets
[32:17] would be greatly appreciated
by our residents.
[32:21] Thank you for your
time and attention
[32:23] Thank you Anyone
else like to come up
[32:29] and speak Come on
up on one second.
[32:37] No.
[32:37] Come on.
[32:38] No yield bear.
[32:41] No, you guys see how polite.
[32:43] We are Cause Sure.
[32:47] 325.
[32:48] Northeast 25th Street.
[32:50] Good evening Mayor.
[32:51] Commissioners, city staff and
residents and guest myself.
[32:54] Objective tonight and over
the next several commissioner
[32:57] meetings is to provide document
details Why commissioner are
[33:00] we should not be elected
mayor what manners
[33:04] And that's why I'm here as you
do not deserve to be mayor, more
[33:08] or less a commissioner
the last four years,
[33:11] as you should have been
reprimanded and/or removed
[33:14] as you knowingly violate the
city charter to falsely pursue
[33:18] me truly my civil
rights were violated
[33:21] and I remain civil until now
I regret having to relive
[33:25] the hell you put us through,
but I'm driven to expose
[33:28] your abuse of power
and vindictiveness
[33:31] that we were subjected
to by you Parolee.
[33:34] You are not worthy to be mayor.
[33:36] A will manners I hope a lot of
you here are dolphin Democrats.
[33:41] And so you're here tonight.
[33:42] You'll be here on September
the eighth in that.
[33:44] And also on September the 22nd.
[33:46] I'll be here again So
on August 23, 2022,
[33:51] for four years ago on a
Sunday night at 8:17 p.m.,
[33:56] I was served a false restraining
order for stalking And upon
[34:00] review of the restraining order,
I easily identified as actions
[34:05] tied directly to the efforts
of Vice mayor Rowley,
[34:09] where Where is you?
[34:11] Yes Yeah.
[34:11] As an emergency.
[34:13] This is not an accusation but
an admitted fact, by Vice mayor.
[34:19] Really himself.
[34:20] At a meeting he requested in
writing on November 17 2022,
[34:24] at City Hall So who
in the heck is Carl?
[34:27] Sure.
[34:28] Why would he do this My
background My partner
[34:33] and I came here on
vacation in 2015.
[34:36] We fell in love with
William Manners.
[34:37] Purchased a home,
and we relocated
[34:39] from Houston May of 2016.
[34:41] We are both 2018 ICU graduates.
[34:44] And I successfully pursued a
board position on the Berkeley
[34:47] Recreation Advisory
board July of 2018
[34:50] as an active park and Recreation
Advisory Board member mayor Flip
[34:54] and reached out and asked
if I could cobble together
[34:57] city naming procedures
and that was
[34:59] successfully
accomplished Adopted
[35:01] by the city prior to his death.
[35:04] Our naming procedure was
signed by Mayor Flippen.
[35:07] We're used for the first
time for Mayor Flippen
[35:11] I served two terms on the
Parks and Recreation Board
[35:14] in my last years.
[35:15] Chair until My term
expiring June 30th, 2022.
[35:19] For the last Seven
years, I have been
[35:22] the sole volunteer recruiter
for a taste of the Alan.
[35:27] The last you're Being
our 20th anniversary.
[35:29] I recruited a record 55
participants for me each year.
[35:35] It represents hundreds of
dedicated hours and dollars out
[35:38] of my pocket to ensure
success As currently I'm
[35:42] vice chair of the Sunshine
Cathedral foundation
[35:45] and Facilities chair for the
Sunshine Cathedral Campus
[35:48] and our Sunshine Pride House
So this is me giving back
[35:53] at the next commission meeting
Copies of my restraining order
[35:56] will be made
available this summer,
[35:58] we need about
Hundreds or so copies.
[36:00] See you in September.
[36:01] Thank you Please come
Surprise my people about I
[36:18] had something all
written out, but I'm
[36:19] just going to skip it What
happened to Carl was a travesty.
[36:24] I've looked into it because
I can't keep my nose out
[36:27] of certain things
and I can tell you
[36:33] there are people
who deserve to be
[36:34] on that dais There
are people who don't
[36:37] deserve to be on the dais.
[36:38] And there are
people who should be
[36:40] on the dais I am not
one of them My mouth is
[36:46] too big for the dais.
[36:48] I will say this.
[36:50] Everyone up there does
the best that they
[36:52] can do I don't believe that
anyone has a secret agenda.
[36:56] I don't believe that
anyone stealing money
[36:58] I know this community
like my heart
[37:01] because when you look around and
you see the things that we see
[37:04] today, a meeting that
began with a thank
[37:08] you to Dolly Parton, how
many cities do you think
[37:10] are doing that tonight?
[37:12] A meeting where we congratulate
our police department
[37:15] because they do such a fine
job A meeting where we thank
[37:21] them for saving a child's life.
[37:23] And the probably took
a little bit more
[37:25] time than what your study said
it should have in the police
[37:30] department that supports us.
[37:32] We are a small hometown
but I can tell you
[37:36] in a small hometown, when
you have somebody who's
[37:38] a bully like Paul Raleigh there
are problems there are people
[37:46] like Carl, who volunteered
their time did the best that he
[37:50] could and was a good person.
[37:55] And he almost moved
from the city.
[37:58] When you have people in power
almost like Washington when you
[38:05] have people in power who
retaliate against you
[38:08] because they don't like what
they say or what you say
[38:12] and that's happened to me a few
times probably for good reason
[38:21] I have to say that I
don't believe that.
[38:24] Paul really deserves
to be our next mayor,
[38:27] nor do I believe that
he belongs on the dais.
[38:30] But what I will say there
are plenty of people who
[38:34] are willing to take that
position I normally say,
[38:38] oh, welcome to the new people
who want to get up there
[38:42] I love seeing people
want to get on that dais.
[38:46] And nine out of ten times,
I would say Scott Newton
[38:49] it's time for you to step back.
[38:51] But not this time We need every
bit of institutional knowledge
[38:58] that we have.
[39:00] His phone book that he can pick
up a phone and call somebody.
[39:05] And these next coming
years, Tallahassee hates us.
[39:10] Plenty of people in
broward County dislike us
[39:14] but we are a special place
and we will come together
[39:18] and we will use every bit of
power every bit of knowledge
[39:23] and every bit of our
heart to make this city
[39:25] move forward Thank you.
[39:27] Thank you Anyone else like
to come up and speak ?
[39:36] Say no one.
[39:38] Sorry Late in there.
[39:43] You almost got cut off
Good evening, everyone.
[39:48] Matthew Gill, 120,
Northeast 29th Street.
[39:52] I'm speaking in favor of
the project for the shops
[39:55] at Wilton Manors,
and I'll be brief.
[39:57] I just want to go over the logic
behind the redevelopment efforts
[40:01] that we've been doing
for a few years.
[40:03] We need to add additional
taxable value to the same land
[40:06] that we have.
[40:07] We're built out When I
looked at the other cities
[40:11] in the county that are
have arts and entertainment
[40:14] districts next to single
family homes, I found four.
[40:19] The only city that had
the smaller setback
[40:23] was Hollywood At 25 to 40ft.
[40:26] Just putting it out there.
[40:27] And that's just what I found out
when I'm looking at the building
[40:31] that the aging building
and the southern
[40:34] portion of the property, it's
approximately for 48,616ft².
[40:41] That will be
demolished and replaced
[40:43] with 89 new residential units.
[40:46] So there's a different
purpose there.
[40:48] There will be an addition
of with a new project,
[40:51] assuming it passes
18,620ft² of new commercial
[40:56] space on this street.
[40:58] So it's going to be a better
use of the particular land
[41:04] When I looked at
approximate numbers
[41:07] each particular, each household
will add an approximately $2
[41:11] million per household
into our local economy
[41:16] When you're looking at
the positive impacts you
[41:17] have hired valued tenants
in the new spaces.
[41:20] This increase for traffic
from the new residents
[41:25] more stable residents due to
diversity and the tenant mix.
[41:29] Outdoor patio activation reduced
vacancies because of the aging
[41:35] structure will be redeveloped.
[41:39] So in the end, we're going to
have higher taxable property
[41:42] value for this city.
[41:44] Also, you know, you're looking
at increased commercial revenue.
[41:49] Reoccurring resin spending,
more stable entertainment
[41:53] and you're going to have reduced
traffic because you're going
[41:55] to have people that live in
those units that are going to be
[41:57] utilizing the properties I think
this is an interesting project.
[42:01] And I think it's ideal.
[42:02] However, given what
the climate is.
[42:05] And if we if this doesn't
work, we'll move on It's
[42:10] going to take a long time.
[42:11] Many years to get to this point.
[42:13] Again It's just the
nature of the beast.
[42:16] All these projects, I
would say an average Five
[42:18] years for project to get
something from the time
[42:20] that someone says, I'm
interested until it gets done.
[42:23] So you're looking
at the property
[42:26] that we have will not be
utilized to the fullest extent.
[42:29] The income will not be there.
[42:31] Thank you very much.
[42:32] Thank you Oh, they're out
here to a friend here.
[42:41] Anyone else like.
[42:42] Oh come on up.
[42:45] Hey.
[42:47] Hi there.
[42:49] I'm standing in favor
of the shops at Wilton.
[42:52] My name is Patty Baddeley.
[42:53] We're property owners
right across the street
[42:55] on Seventh Avenue.
[42:56] And 23rd Drive, Wilton manors
is a very special place.
[43:01] We've been owners
for many years,
[43:03] and i get to speak to tenants
all the time that want to move
[43:06] here nationwide to be
part of this community
[43:08] and you guys have done a great
job as council in this community
[43:14] to truly apply the slogan
Life is just simply better
[43:18] here So what I think the
blessing, though, is, is we
[43:22] have two local developers that
are stakeholders in Broward
[43:26] county and not coming
in from out of state
[43:29] or out of the country or
from South Florida somewhere
[43:32] south of Hollywood
So we have people
[43:36] that have been successful.
[43:37] Tim hernandez Area News Group.
[43:39] With other projects
here in Wilton Manors.
[43:41] He's a friend to the city,
as well as his background
[43:44] in city planning.
[43:45] So this is a beautification
It's a tax generating revenue
[43:49] but it's bringing in
other stakeholders
[43:51] and other special people.
[43:53] Part of the community.
[43:54] I don't see how
this isn't a win.
[43:56] When you look at styles, they're
on their third generation
[43:59] of building broward
in the skyline here
[44:01] And I think we should feel
grateful for who we've gotten
[44:05] in front of us,
especially compared
[44:06] to where the projects
were approved
[44:08] before This is more beautiful.
[44:10] It's ownership and it's done
with well thought out plans
[44:14] And I would just recommend
that we lead with our hearts
[44:18] like Dolly Parton might say.
[44:19] Think with our heads and
reach across the table
[44:22] and continue to make this place
where life is just better Come
[44:30] on up This may not
be the time to speak,
[44:33] but I feel I need
to Good evening.
[44:35] My name is.
[44:36] Do you care ?
[44:36] I live at 2048
Northeast sixth Terrace.
[44:39] I'm one of the affected
neighbors for this project.
[44:42] I want to be very clear tonight.
[44:43] This is not about being
against development It's not
[44:47] about stopping
progress It's about
[44:49] whether the rules of
this city commission
[44:51] adopted actually mean something
when residents rely on it.
[44:56] My husband and I lived in
our home for 16 years now.
[45:00] We bought it believe in the
city's land use regulations
[45:02] would protect the character
of our neighborhood
[45:05] and the investment
we made in our home
[45:08] The city commission estab
lished a 65 foot setback rezoned
[45:13] and relied on that protection.
[45:15] We're being asked
to accept a project
[45:17] that puts a five and
six story building
[45:19] 35ft from our property line.
[45:22] That's a dramatic difference
and that should not become
[45:25] the standard in our great city.
[45:28] I have to ask if the city can
establish a 65 foot protection
[45:32] and allow a developer
to come in and reduce
[45:35] the protection to 35ft.
[45:37] What exactly are
those regulations
[45:39] worth to the residents
who live here ?
[45:42] There needs to be
clarity on your website
[45:44] about this in your
t o c district.
[45:48] Explain to residents
they have no protection
[45:51] And when it comes to
developers we keep hearing
[45:54] about landscaping trees
way they're going to soften
[45:58] the impact Landscaping does
not change the fact that a five
[46:02] story building is being
moved significantly
[46:05] closer to the people's homes
than ever before This is where I
[46:09] have a serious concern
about the message being sent
[46:11] to every homeowner
in Wilton Manors
[46:13] because we're told
to follow the code,
[46:16] we're told to build
according to the code
[46:18] and we make decisions
about our homes,
[46:20] build that based on the code.
[46:22] But when a major developer comes
forward with a project that
[46:25] does not fit those
protections, suddenly we're
[46:27] discussing exceptions,
deviations and ways
[46:30] to make the project work.
[46:32] That doesn't feel
like equal treatment.
[46:34] I asked the
commission to remember
[46:38] you're one of the ones
that adopted this code
[46:40] and we believed in you We've
always trusted your decisions.
[46:45] You represent the residents
who live and vote here today
[46:49] and the residents who will
live and vote here tomorrow.
[46:53] If the city believes the 65
foot setback is no longer
[46:56] a appropriate, then
change the code openly
[46:59] through the proper process.
[47:01] So every property owner
understands the rules
[47:05] and can be a part
of the process.
[47:06] But don't tell residents they're
protected by one standard.
[47:10] And then make an exception
when a particular project
[47:13] comes along.
[47:14] I'm asking you tonight to follow
the rules you put in place
[47:19] Protect the residents
who relied on them
[47:21] and reject the 35 foot setback.
[47:25] Develop It can happen.
[47:26] Progress can happen,
but it shouldn't
[47:29] happen with the
sacrifice the trust
[47:32] of the people who elected you.
[47:33] And already call
Wilton Manors home.
[47:36] Thank you very much Thank you.
[47:43] Anyone else like to
come up and speak
[47:50] So people may not know they
have an operating business?
[47:56] Yes.
[47:56] My name is Denis Maroney I live
at 2040 Northeast six Terrace.
[48:01] I live right next
door to Steve and Ray.
[48:03] I was a very good
speech you gave Steve.
[48:05] Thank you And if I may
add to what he said,
[48:09] what I look out of
the front of my house,
[48:10] I'm going to see a 53
foot high building.
[48:14] That would be a parking garage
for four stories of condo
[48:19] and then a planter
on top for a patio.
[48:22] That would be 53ft high and only
35ft back from the property.
[48:28] I know there's supposed
to be some kind
[48:30] of transition involved.
[48:31] But that seems really excessive
to me and has to be reconsidered
[48:35] And we're not asking for a lot.
[48:37] We're not asking to
stop the project.
[48:39] We're just asking that
it not become a canyon
[48:42] next to our homes You know,
the developer says he's done
[48:48] everything he can, that there's
finances involved that he's got
[48:51] to consider that he's
taking the Fifth story away
[48:54] and moved it somewhere
else. it looks like if he
[48:58] could just take away four.
[48:59] Nope.
[49:00] I'm sorry.
[49:01] 3 small condos and make
it just three stories high
[49:05] that it would be more
acceptable There the architect
[49:10] kind of developed the
building as three towers.
[49:12] It's one building but three
towers and there is a tower that
[49:17] is along Seventh
Avenue, right across
[49:21] from the Italian american
Club It's a 100ft
[49:26] closer to the drive.
[49:28] It's five stories.
[49:30] It's right adjacent to another
tower that is six stories high.
[49:35] You could add a six
story to that tower.
[49:38] It could be serviced
by the same elevators.
[49:41] And the sunset.
[49:43] Loescher It would be
closer to the drive out
[49:47] of the residential neighborhood
Could and would not
[49:51] only give them the three condos
that they're taking away,
[49:55] but would give them really twice
the square footage because it's
[49:58] a much bigger tower
and they wouldn't
[50:01] be losing square footage.
[50:02] They'd be gaining
square footage And I
[50:05] don't know if they've
considered that already
[50:07] or not They probably have.
[50:09] And I really be
interested in knowing
[50:11] why it was rejected
because it seems
[50:13] like a very good idea to me.
[50:15] I think this building could
be built but in a better way.
[50:20] I think right now it's
not the time to pass it.
[50:22] I think maybe it
needs to be studied
[50:24] and worked a little bit more
and i hope we get the best
[50:31] thing for the community.
[50:32] Thank you Anyone else like
to come up and speak ?
[50:51] Michael allison.
[50:52] 2624 Northwest six hour.
[50:55] I think it's encouraging that
there is an experienced Broward
[50:58] County based developer
interested in developing
[51:00] a substantial project And will
manners variance negotiation
[51:04] doesn't always seem fair but
it's the reality of how the game
[51:08] is played in cities that are
experiencing development which
[51:13] will manners has not been part
of at least not in the last five
[51:16] years that I've been here.
[51:18] And from what I understand
for years prior to that I've
[51:20] been here five years.
[51:21] I moved here.
[51:23] The only thing I've
seen built is a handful
[51:24] of redeveloped single
family home sites
[51:27] in the recently
in our townhomes.
[51:29] If it wasn't for a
huge fire, I'm not sure
[51:31] that the Lennar Townhomes
will be a reality today
[51:35] At the same time surrounding
cities big and small
[51:38] have experienced a substantial
amount of development
[51:41] in the past ten years.
[51:43] Palm Beach County Broward
County areas I'm familiar with.
[51:47] I see projects everywhere.
[51:48] Small towns and big towns.
[51:49] Even the small town of Lake
Worth which for years had
[51:52] practically no development, as
well as similar world manners
[51:57] And those cities are going
to be in a better position
[51:59] to deal with the
potential budget
[52:00] challenges If
Amendment three passes,
[52:04] I hope that the current and
future city commissioners
[52:07] take a hard look
as to why there's
[52:09] been so little development
activity in world manners
[52:12] and how to get on the bandwagon
to get project belt out
[52:16] of the ground and expand our
tax base A stagnant tax base
[52:20] will not allow the city to
maintain and replace the aging
[52:23] infrastructure that we have
presently while delivering
[52:26] a level of service
that our residents
[52:29] have become accustomed to.
[52:30] Thank you You Is
there anyone else like
[52:37] to come up and speak with that?
[52:41] I'll close the public
hearing and we'll
[52:45] move on to consent agenda.
[52:46] Anybody have a motion
or anything be pulled?
[52:48] I'm sorry.
[52:50] Hearing none.
[52:52] What do we do The appointments.
[52:54] That's after.
[52:55] Anyway.
[52:56] Have a motion.
[52:57] I'll make a motion for a second.
[52:59] I will second it on the
question is, Vice Mayor Caputo
[53:05] Yes, Commissioner Dominello.
[53:07] Yes.
[53:07] Commissioner Brockie
Yes, Commissioner.
[53:09] Really Can I present
a Mayor Newton Yes.
[53:13] Director.
[53:14] All right.
[53:14] We moved up the cap the cab
from at the back of the meeting.
[53:21] Community Affairs
Advisory Board If I can,
[53:23] Mayor I'd like to make a
suggestion if, if the Commission
[53:26] is open to it There are five
of open positions that are,
[53:30] you know three normal.
[53:32] And then two that are alternate
correct If there's a willingness
[53:37] by the commission you know,
I'd like to suggest that we all
[53:41] those that are here
tonight you know,
[53:43] that they move in a full time
positions and those that have
[53:45] been out of town, you
know that we put them
[53:46] in alternate positions since
all are ultimately going to get
[53:48] a position If there's
not, I'm happy we're
[53:52] happy to do that the
regular voting process.
[53:54] But yeah look at that.
[53:56] Well, just to clarify, I don't
believe that there are alternate
[53:59] So I think that these are
people that are unfilled or.
[54:02] Sorry.
[54:02] Yeah And your term
or partial terms.
[54:05] You're correct.
[54:06] OK.
[54:06] Yeah.
[54:07] Just to clear.
[54:08] So the longer term will
be the ones that are here
[54:10] and the shorter terms
will be the ones that
[54:11] are right That's my suggestion.
[54:13] If there's other
one they with that,
[54:15] I just so there are two
shorter term percent
[54:17] of the time those revisions to
figure out because the longer we
[54:20] have the same
other the same okay
[54:23] i mean Bob's when I make a
motion for that so would you
[54:28] like me for the record since it
won't be on the recording, who's
[54:34] present or not You?
[54:35] Yeah, please Actually,
is everyone present that
[54:38] says they're going to be here
this week Cabell Victor Hess
[54:43] and Mia rodriguez or
anybody else that is Victor
[54:48] Victor Victor has
there goes your idea,
[54:52] I guess I here all right.
[54:57] Well, we're trying
to make it quickly.
[55:00] So who is here?
[55:02] So we have Carville
and Carville.
[55:04] You want to come up ?
[55:14] Oh, hey, hey, everyone
My name is Carville.
[55:16] Esther Black and I'm a
resident of 2008 North East
[55:19] Third Avenue, apartment one.
[55:22] And i guess this is actually,
I been on cab before
[55:27] and just want to say
this is be my third term.
[55:30] And hopefully I can keep some
kind I've been on there before.
[55:35] So some of the competition
which I have written,
[55:38] the women's History
Award I'm previously
[55:42] on Cab along with African
History american Award.
[55:47] That was also along
with one year we ended
[55:51] with their Caribbean festival
that just happened right
[55:54] here at richardson
Park And I just
[55:57] want to say that i really
enjoy being cab and serving
[56:01] my community and I really
love this community I just
[56:04] want to say that just
coming in February 13,
[56:08] I am going to be getting
married here ever.
[56:11] She's in Park and just
want to put that out there.
[56:15] So i know it's not really
a cab, but just want
[56:19] to say is a sense of
about me being involved
[56:22] in this community and this one.
[56:24] I share that.
[56:25] So thank you Any questions?
[56:27] But thanks for your
service on the board
[56:29] all these years Thank you.
[56:30] Thank you All right.
[56:33] At a time Yeah.
[56:34] Mr. Hess.
[56:36] Right here.
[56:36] Mrs. Rodriguez Come on up.
[56:40] I see you have a
helper with you today.
[56:44] Assistant I'm sorry
And hi, everyone.
[56:50] My name is Maya
Rodriguez, and this is.
[56:52] I'm a I have been a resident
of Waterman ten for since 2021.
[56:57] In service to the cab has
been a big experience for me
[57:01] because I see what
everybody's here like.
[57:04] You.
[57:05] Everyone over there on
a board it's over here
[57:07] just to try to see what's
best for will miners
[57:10] and that's why I'm here,
because I moved here 2021,
[57:14] and I love this place and
brought my son with me
[57:18] And I'm ready to
serve another term.
[57:20] Good.
[57:20] Thanks for having
me Any questions?
[57:22] You may think it's for you.
[57:25] Thank you.
[57:25] You.
[57:26] Appreciate it.
[57:27] Good This is the way
we normally vote.
[57:34] Everyone's going to get
the same amount of votes
[57:36] that those we
don't score one on.
[57:38] That's right.
[57:38] I forgot.
[57:39] So I forgot that one.
[57:39] I need to think about.
[57:40] We should just vote
for the top three
[57:44] and then the other two
would be the shorter
[57:47] terms We can do it if you want.
[57:50] Right.
[57:51] And you'll be problems
that That's fine with me.
[57:53] I'm with me.
[57:53] All right, let's do that I See.
[58:18] Attorney Do you have anything
Member We're waiting Waiting
[58:23] for the calculation, right?
[58:26] I do OK I can keep
the meeting moving.
[58:33] Understood.
[58:33] Thank you I like to request the
shade session in case number.
[58:39] CAC 25 hyphen zero zero
9 to 8 six in the circuit
[58:46] court of the 17th.
[58:47] You just circuit and in for
Broward County city or Wilton
[58:51] Manors versus Blue Sky
Investment Group LLC
[58:57] We're requesting that we
have a state's session
[59:02] as we desire to get some advice
concerning the litigation
[59:08] and settlement and related to
the litigation expenditures
[59:12] and city manager We have
any early meeting before
[59:15] our next commission meeting.
[59:17] Is that okay?
[59:18] You be back for that or he
will Is that okay with him?
[59:22] You know the first
meeting in September,
[59:25] I believe that'll be okay.
[59:26] Yeah.
[59:27] We'll we'll have to
advertise and we'll make
[59:29] sure that that's appropriate.
[59:30] And if not, we'll we have
the direction to advertise
[59:33] is what we're seeking now.
[59:34] So.
[59:35] All right.
[59:35] And how much time do you
think this will take?
[59:38] Half hour.
[59:38] An hour for advertising
purposes let's say an hour.
[59:45] And if we need less,
well, we'll advertise
[59:48] less just so that it's.
[59:50] That's fine for 6:00 in
the first meetings of two.
[59:55] So good.
[59:56] Anything else?
[59:57] Are you got a question?
[59:59] No.
[59:59] OK I'm sorry you had your up.
[1:00:02] Anything else?
[1:00:03] No, sir Okay.
[1:00:04] Thank you.
[1:00:04] You're ready later?
[1:00:05] Yes.
[1:00:06] So we are required to read
the votes into the the record.
[1:00:11] Commissioner Brockie
for the full term
[1:00:13] selected carville as Triplett
Tim mattingly and Mia Rodriguez,
[1:00:18] Commissioner Da Mineo
selected carville
[1:00:20] as Triplett Victor hess.
[1:00:22] Mia Rodriguez Vice Mayor
Caputo selected Carville
[1:00:25] as Triplett Victor Hess Mia
Rodriguez and Mayor Newton
[1:00:28] selected carville as Triplett
Stephen gauche and Mia Rodriguez
[1:00:33] So your full term members on
Cab will be Carville as Triplett
[1:00:38] Victor Hess and Mia Rodriguez
the Onyx buyer terms will be
[1:00:44] Stephen gold and Tim Mattingly.
[1:00:46] All right.
[1:00:47] So I'm going to make the motion
I'll make the motion that we
[1:00:51] limit Carvel Aster five
Victor House and Mayor
[1:00:54] Rodriguez for the
full term and Stephen
[1:00:57] Gauche and Timothy mattingly
for the unexpired terms.
[1:01:01] Is there a second?
[1:01:03] I will second it.
[1:01:04] Thank you.
[1:01:04] Call the question,
Vice Mayor Caputo.
[1:01:06] Yes, Commissioner dominello Yes.
[1:01:08] Commissioner Brockie Yes.
[1:01:10] Mayor Newton.
[1:01:11] Yes All right.
[1:01:12] Ordinance 2020 6-016.
[1:01:15] We are moving to
the first meeting
[1:01:16] in September order ordinance.
[1:01:20] First reading.
[1:01:22] We're in the 2020 6-017.
[1:01:25] Please read an ordinance of
the city Commission of the City
[1:01:29] of Wilton Manors Florida
Amending the Unified
[1:01:31] Land development Regulations.
[1:01:32] You are by amending section
010-030 terms defined providing
[1:01:39] for codification,
providing for severability,
[1:01:41] providing for
conflicts and providing
[1:01:42] for an effective date Thank
you Community service director.
[1:01:50] I guess you are
up You're welcome
[1:02:09] Roberta Moore, director of
Human Services mayor Commission.
[1:02:12] This ordinance is tied to
the previous ordinance that
[1:02:15] was tabled to the next meeting
There is some modification
[1:02:21] to the changes of
defined mission,
[1:02:23] so there's definitions
that are in Article 30
[1:02:25] that we are proposing
to delete Add
[1:02:27] in chapter ten or Article ten.
[1:02:30] And so i'm happy to go
through the presentation
[1:02:33] if you would like,
or if you would like
[1:02:35] to continue it to
the same meeting
[1:02:39] as what we would
hear article 34.
[1:02:42] What's the pleasure
of the Commission?
[1:02:44] They're correlated right?
[1:02:45] So do we need to
hear them together
[1:02:48] again We can proceed forward.
[1:02:50] We're looking eventually to
delete them out of Article 13
[1:02:54] them into ten.
[1:02:56] So again, we can proceed.
[1:02:58] But I just want to be
transparent with the intention
[1:03:01] of what this board.
[1:03:02] But this.
[1:03:02] This is only
definitions, correct?
[1:03:04] Correct.
[1:03:05] OK I mean, I'm finding the
way Well, whatever you want.
[1:03:10] I mean, I don't care either.
[1:03:11] OK?
[1:03:12] I don't have any
issues right You mean,
[1:03:15] you think it should
be long, lengthy,
[1:03:17] or we can proceed forward
again for transparency?
[1:03:19] I just wanted to let you.
[1:03:20] I know.
[1:03:20] I know.
[1:03:21] I just need some other
ones and an article
[1:03:23] 30 that are going to be deleted.
[1:03:24] Which are these Right.
[1:03:26] So.
[1:03:27] So for this ordinance
what we are looking to do
[1:03:31] is so we need it
read Yes I read it.
[1:03:38] So yeah here at the title.
[1:03:40] Sorry, I apologize
I'm sorry, Mayor.
[1:03:45] So what we are looking
to do is add definitions
[1:03:47] into article ten of our unified
land development regulations.
[1:03:53] The new definitions,
specifically our banquet hall
[1:03:55] contractor flex space, health
and fitness center incubator
[1:03:58] space pop up shop and watercraft
or water vehicle Those are
[1:04:02] uses that we are looking
again to add in article 30
[1:04:05] and we are looking to update
awnings private clubs, floor
[1:04:10] area ratio and restaurants This
did go before the planning,
[1:04:13] zoning board.
[1:04:13] They did recommend approval
to the city commission.
[1:04:16] Again, this is first reading.
[1:04:17] If you have any questions.
[1:04:19] All of this was based
upon direction of the city
[1:04:21] commission Any questions?
[1:04:24] No, I'm good with it.
[1:04:25] I'm good with it All right.
[1:04:30] Is there a motion I think I
made a motion to make a motion.
[1:04:34] But your second, I will.
[1:04:36] Second part of me.
[1:04:37] I didn't hear the.
[1:04:38] I made the motion.
[1:04:39] So you.
[1:04:41] Any discussion
call the question.
[1:04:44] Vice Mayor Caputo Yes.
[1:04:46] Commissioner Dami Neo Yes.
[1:04:47] Commissioner Brockie Yes.
[1:04:48] Commissioner Rowley yes.
[1:04:50] Mayor Newton Yes.
[1:04:52] Ordinance 2020 6-018.
[1:04:55] Please read an ordinance of
the City Commission of the City
[1:04:59] of Wilton Manors,
Florida Repealing
[1:05:01] Resolutions Numbers 2020 4-010
2020 4-013 and 2020 4-014.
[1:05:09] Amending section
020-020 entitled
[1:05:13] District map by rezoning
the property known
[1:05:16] as 2200 2292 Wilton Drive.
[1:05:20] Wilton Manors Florida
as more particularly
[1:05:23] described in Exhibit A attached
here to rezoning the property
[1:05:27] from Wilton Drive
Arts and Entertainment
[1:05:29] district to planned
unit development m
[1:05:32] m contingent upon allocating
89 flexibility units
[1:05:37] and/or redevelopment units
by resolution of the City
[1:05:40] Commission of the City of wilton
Manors granting final site
[1:05:43] plan approval
providing for a complex
[1:05:45] providing for severability and
providing for an effective date.
[1:05:48] Thank you.
[1:05:49] You.
[1:05:49] Is there a motion I'll make a
motion to approve your second.
[1:05:54] I'll second the motion.
[1:05:56] Thank you Director Moore,
do you want to go first
[1:06:00] or would you like to
applicant to go first?
[1:06:03] As roberta Moore Director of
Human Development Services Mayor
[1:06:10] I'm happy to do
the presentation.
[1:06:11] First, unless you would like
to hear from the applicant,
[1:06:14] I will ask the applicant
Would you want to go first
[1:06:16] or would you like to
get a second camera
[1:06:18] to go first or second?
[1:06:19] You're pointing you want
to go second, right Go
[1:06:24] ahead Thank you again, Roberta.
[1:06:26] More director of
Community Services.
[1:06:27] This is a rezoning application
for the property known
[1:06:30] as Shoppes at Wilton Manors
This is a rezoning from wilton
[1:06:36] Drive Arts and Entertainment to
planned unit development mixed.
[1:06:39] So are planned unit
developments We
[1:06:41] have a number of different
types because this
[1:06:43] is to use as commercial
and residential
[1:06:45] So they are requesting a pod.
[1:06:47] M This did go before the
planning and zoning board
[1:06:50] on June 16th where
they did recommend
[1:06:52] approval subject
to the conditions
[1:06:55] identified in the staff report.
[1:06:57] There is a subsequent
application,
[1:07:00] which is the site plan that
is also tied to the rezoning
[1:07:03] because this is a PUD.
[1:07:05] They are tied together.
[1:07:06] The site plan does
become an exhibit
[1:07:08] to the rezoning ordinance.
[1:07:10] Should the Commission adopt the
rezoning as part of this process
[1:07:15] The PUD terms, please.
[1:07:20] What would happen as
part of the process
[1:07:24] The party document, which
is the governing regulations
[1:07:28] It does become an attachment
also to this rezoning
[1:07:32] of the property.
[1:07:33] Thank you Additional
concurrent request which
[1:07:38] would be at second reading,
should first reading pass
[1:07:42] because there was a
previously approved project
[1:07:44] called Wilma on this property,
there is a number of resolutions
[1:07:48] that we will have
to bring forward.
[1:07:50] Release saying or rescinding
those previous approvals.
[1:07:54] Those do include agreements
and flex units where then also
[1:07:58] going to have
subsequent resolutions
[1:08:00] approving new agreements and
the allocation of those units.
[1:08:05] So again, just to be clear, and
it's further in the presentation
[1:08:08] as well on the back
up, the Wilma project
[1:08:11] was allocated 252 units.
[1:08:13] This project is only requesting
the allocation of 89 units
[1:08:19] So this project is
located at Wilton Drive
[1:08:21] and Northeast seventh Avenue.
[1:08:23] There is an existing building
that will be demolished as part
[1:08:26] of this project So here are some
rendering lines of the project.
[1:08:31] Again, it is mixed use.
[1:08:32] You have your residential
in the rear and commercial
[1:08:34] in the front, along
wilton Drive When
[1:08:39] we look at the
back of materials,
[1:08:41] there's four buildings
that are identified.
[1:08:43] So we really just
want to make sure
[1:08:45] that everyone
clearly understands
[1:08:47] what those buildings are.
[1:08:48] With reference, building a
is the existing building.
[1:08:51] B and C are the commercials
that are proposed,
[1:08:54] and then D is that
resident Again,
[1:09:00] this slide is really shown to
go through what the landscape
[1:09:03] buffers are going to look like.
[1:09:05] As part of this project The
building height there is four
[1:09:11] stories that is proposed
adjacent to the single family
[1:09:13] homes So when we look at the
elevation here of this project,
[1:09:20] there is a parking garage
underneath It's about 6.5ft that
[1:09:23] is sticking up from that
from the floor level,
[1:09:26] if you will So when we look
at the height of this project,
[1:09:30] it's not just a flat 40ft.
[1:09:32] It is 48.6, 48.5ft.
[1:09:36] And that, again, is
taking six and a half
[1:09:37] of that parking garage
into consideration
[1:09:41] So as part of the
Puti regulations,
[1:09:43] a shadow or shade
study is required
[1:09:46] We do have those as part
of the presentation,
[1:09:49] but again also as
part of the back up.
[1:09:51] There are certain
criterias in our code
[1:09:53] when we do look at what
these shade or shadow is how
[1:09:57] it is reflective upon our
neighbors to any project
[1:10:02] and we'll go through those
here, as you can see,
[1:10:05] there is minimal impact
Part of the overall.
[1:10:10] There's also required to be
a pedestrian and access plan
[1:10:14] So this is their
pedestrian access So
[1:10:20] when we look at the Puti zoning
the rezoning application itself
[1:10:24] there are a number of components
that we do have to evaluate
[1:10:27] for We look at the
density, the parking
[1:10:30] requirements, the landscape
open space, utilities,
[1:10:34] pedestrian bicycle circulation
all of those various components
[1:10:39] So everyone is understanding
of what this process is.
[1:10:42] This did go before the
Development Review Committee
[1:10:46] They did evaluate
development review committee.
[1:10:48] Everyone is made up of various
city departments as well as else
[1:10:53] that does review
the for the traffic
[1:10:56] that the Development Review
committee makes a determination
[1:10:59] whether or not it has met the
code requirements in order
[1:11:02] to take forward to the
Planning and zoning board,
[1:11:04] Planning and zoning board.
[1:11:05] Here is the application
and makes a recommendation
[1:11:07] to the city Commission.
[1:11:09] City Commission is you hear the
application and under section.
[1:11:14] Oh 4, dash oh three of the
code, there is criterias
[1:11:20] when it comes to,
again, how we review it
[1:11:23] And the code also does address
how exceptions are considered
[1:11:28] exceptions can also be referred
to as a variance application
[1:11:33] variance would be for a
standard zoning district.
[1:11:36] Exception is what it's called
when it comes to a planned unit
[1:11:39] development Again, this
is going through all
[1:11:43] the various components of what
that criteria is that we do
[1:11:47] evaluate Now there are 14
exceptions that this project has
[1:11:53] requested and what we did for
the presentation was that we
[1:11:58] separated it out a little
bit differently, just
[1:12:01] to keep all of the various
components together.
[1:12:04] So what I'm going to do is
I'm going to go through what's
[1:12:06] identified on the
slide versus how
[1:12:09] the exceptions
are request stated
[1:12:11] as part of the staff report.
[1:12:16] So the drive aisle with within
residential garages that remains
[1:12:20] exception one as
part of the staff
[1:12:22] report the length of existing
standard parking spaces
[1:12:26] remains exception to
three, four, five and 6.
[1:12:31] All remain the same
as the staff report.
[1:12:33] So those numbers are the same.
[1:12:35] The dimensional required ment's
for the loading spaces that is
[1:12:39] actually exception number ten.
[1:12:41] The required number
of parking spaces
[1:12:43] for the residential portion.
[1:12:44] That is exception number nine,
the allowance on on street
[1:12:48] parking loading spaces
is exception 11.
[1:12:52] when it comes to
setbacks, there's
[1:12:53] three setbacks that are
requested The building
[1:12:56] setback to the
abutting single family
[1:12:58] is exception number seven.
[1:13:00] The setback from
steps to property line
[1:13:02] is 8 and the landscape
landscape buffer
[1:13:05] with is 12 for
signage there is one
[1:13:09] exception request that was for
the residential portion there.
[1:13:13] That's exception number 14.
[1:13:16] And then the building height
that is exception number 13.
[1:13:20] So when we look at all
of these exceptions
[1:13:22] we have to take into
consideration that there's
[1:13:24] are all based upon
when the application
[1:13:26] was submitted to the city.
[1:13:28] There has been a subsequent
ordinance that was adopted
[1:13:31] by the city commission that
did take into consideration
[1:13:34] the length of parking spaces So
we'll go through that analysis
[1:13:37] at a further in a second here.
[1:13:42] The allocation of flexibility
or redevelopment units.
[1:13:46] So units on this property
is not buy, right?
[1:13:49] So the Commission does
have to allocate the units.
[1:13:52] This is where we currently stand
with the allocation of units
[1:13:56] within the city for
this area Again,
[1:14:00] you'll see on here that the
Wilma on the Drive project
[1:14:03] is identified the 252.
[1:14:07] What would happen again, is
we're going to come back.
[1:14:09] We're going to rescind
that resolution
[1:14:10] that goes back into the pool.
[1:14:12] And then with the
allocation of the 89 units,
[1:14:16] we would have a remaining
number of units within the area.
[1:14:19] Again, this is not to
you'll see west of 952
[1:14:23] units available The site plan.
[1:14:27] This is an overview of what we
do review for the site plan site
[1:14:31] plan review for PWD is
similar to any other site plan
[1:14:34] that we do review for floodplain
regulation for prevention
[1:14:38] regulation height loading and
all of those components of it.
[1:14:42] Concurrency and
consistent See what
[1:14:45] the city's comprehensive
plan as well as our level
[1:14:47] of service standards
traffic So I know traffic
[1:14:53] has been a concern.
[1:14:55] There is one exit onto Northeast
Seventh Avenue with signage,
[1:14:59] markings, curbs to discourage
right turn into the neighborhood
[1:15:03] This is similar to how the
Wilma project was approved,
[1:15:06] where it is, what we're hearing
everyone to make that left turn
[1:15:12] There is a proposed speed table
on Northeast Seventh Avenue
[1:15:15] that is pending approval
through the city's traffic
[1:15:18] calming procedures.
[1:15:21] We do anticipate it through the
traffic study documentation.
[1:15:23] We do have our traffic
consultant here Should there
[1:15:26] be specific questions
about the traffic study
[1:15:29] that this project is anticipated
to generate less intense traffic
[1:15:33] than existing developed
meant as well as the project
[1:15:38] And again, we'll go through
the analysis of the parking
[1:15:42] for commercial All it is
required to have a 112 parking
[1:15:47] there, providing 156
for the residential
[1:15:51] there required to have 134.
[1:15:53] They are providing through
the exception process
[1:15:57] by there is existing parking
of 221 standard on the property
[1:16:02] and eight here.
[1:16:03] And again, as part of
this whole process,
[1:16:06] drainage is also been reviewed
all of the surface water
[1:16:09] will be maintained on site via
underground drainage systems
[1:16:14] and Broward County
will also be required
[1:16:16] to review this application and
issue a surface water management
[1:16:19] license for setbacks to go
over through them with you
[1:16:26] commercial residential along
Northeast seventh Avenue
[1:16:29] is ten feet.
[1:16:30] Wilton Drive has a
five foot minimum.
[1:16:34] The commercial on the
southwest side is ten.
[1:16:37] The residential on
the southwest is ten.
[1:16:40] Abutting in single
family is 35ft.
[1:16:42] Again, that's at
a four story level
[1:16:45] commercial on the Southeast ten
and residential on the southeast
[1:16:49] is 35.
[1:16:50] So when we look at the
requirement for the setbacks,
[1:16:54] especially when it comes
to our single family homes,
[1:16:58] the way the p, u, d
regulations state is,
[1:17:00] it's 25ft or the
height of the building
[1:17:03] the height of the building along
this area is 48ft, six inches.
[1:17:06] And that's where that
required setback comes from.
[1:17:09] Again, they've asked
for an exception
[1:17:11] from there Planning and
zoning board did again,
[1:17:16] make a recommendation
of approval
[1:17:17] for the zoning for the
rezoning application,
[1:17:20] as well as the site
plan application Mayor,
[1:17:24] I do ask that all of the
documentation that is associated
[1:17:27] with the back up
is included as part
[1:17:29] of the record for this
evening Of course there were
[1:17:34] additional conditions that the
Planning and Zoning Board did
[1:17:36] ask to be added balcony
screening for the top flow units
[1:17:41] ADA accessibility
between a and B wider
[1:17:45] planters on the top floors
of the residential units
[1:17:48] channelized Zation design for
that left turn on Northeast
[1:17:52] Seventh Avenue crosswalks
on Wilton Drive.
[1:17:55] If fdot would accept it that
would be paid by the applicant
[1:17:59] and reasonable traffic
calming measures
[1:18:01] on Northeast Seventh Avenue
as permissible by the city's
[1:18:04] traffic calming measure.
[1:18:06] Now you'll see there's another
part of this where I did not
[1:18:09] identify initially before
I went into the additional
[1:18:12] because I know the applicant
will also be discussing some
[1:18:16] of the conditions of approval
that are code related that we
[1:18:20] were not able to agree to.
[1:18:23] And anybody efficacious to that.
[1:18:25] But we did agree to
modifications to condition
[1:18:28] number 1828 29 With regard
to timing and payments
[1:18:34] And we will continue to
work with the developer
[1:18:38] here on condition number 35.
[1:18:41] So there are a number of
changes that the applicant
[1:18:43] didn't make since the
planning and Zoning board.
[1:18:46] There you can see them here some
of the staff report modification
[1:18:52] We did change from issuance.
[1:18:55] I'm sorry, from
completion to issuance
[1:18:57] for conditions number six,
seven, eight, 11, 16, 17
[1:19:00] 18, 28 and 29.
[1:19:02] That is reflected in
the backup material
[1:19:04] that you have as
strikethrough and underline.
[1:19:06] We had a duplication of
condition number nine,
[1:19:08] so that was deleted.
[1:19:10] We added renderings
to number 13 added
[1:19:13] for certificate to 34 and 35.
[1:19:17] We added conditions since
planning and zoning board
[1:19:20] of Numbers 38 and 39 to
reflect water and wastewater
[1:19:23] Capaci we add a number
40 to clarify completion
[1:19:27] of green building points.
[1:19:28] And there were some changes
to the actual staff reports
[1:19:32] themselves when the applicant
went to Broward County,
[1:19:36] they did require a
bus shelter to be
[1:19:38] installed along Wilton Drive.
[1:19:40] There were some on street
parking spaces there.
[1:19:43] Those did have to
be removed in order
[1:19:45] to accommodate what
Broward County had required
[1:19:49] And then they added
additional landscaping
[1:19:52] due to those wider planters.
[1:19:53] So that changed
their landscape plan.
[1:19:56] I'm not going to go
through all of this,
[1:19:57] but you'll like but you'll
see here additional changes
[1:20:00] that they did make again,
based upon the conversation,
[1:20:03] the direction that the planning
and zoning board did provide
[1:20:07] to this to the applicant So
i'm sorry there actually was
[1:20:18] supposed to be another slide.
[1:20:19] I apologize out for it.
[1:20:23] And I apologize to the
public, what staff did do.
[1:20:25] We also had an analysis when
it came to the actual parking
[1:20:30] for this project.
[1:20:33] So again, if we
can go over that.
[1:20:35] And I apologize to the
public, so existing on site,
[1:20:39] there's 221 standards basis,
as I had previous identified
[1:20:43] once this development
does happen,
[1:20:46] once we start to
see the demolition
[1:20:48] and, you know, that's
that separation,
[1:20:51] if you will 61 parking spaces
will remain on the property.
[1:20:56] Again.
[1:20:56] The residential is required
to have 134 parking spaces.
[1:21:00] They are proposing 95 parking
spaces When we look at ADA,
[1:21:05] those are in addition to
the standard parking spaces.
[1:21:08] So 134 standard parking spaces
requires five ADA spaces Again,
[1:21:18] their exception request
is for 95 standard spaces
[1:21:22] with four handicap.
[1:21:24] This is a reduction
of 39 parking spaces
[1:21:28] The ADA is not
changing because again,
[1:21:31] it's based upon the
number of standard spaces
[1:21:34] The the analysis.
[1:21:36] So everyone understands was
taken into consideration.
[1:21:40] The proposed change
in calculation
[1:21:42] for the mixed use
projects that would
[1:21:46] reduce the number of parking
spaces of 1.5 per unit
[1:21:50] to 1.25 per unit.
[1:21:53] If that were to occur.
[1:21:55] This project would
require 112 parking spaces
[1:21:58] not 134 number of eta spaces
remains the same at five that
[1:22:06] would reduce the exception
and that would have been
[1:22:10] requested from 39 down to 79.
[1:22:14] The golf cart that is proposed
There's seven golf cart spaces.
[1:22:19] That's proposed as part of
the residential component
[1:22:21] Those spaces are six by 12.
[1:22:23] They do not meet
the requirements
[1:22:25] for a compact parking
space which was approved
[1:22:28] in ordinance number 2026.
[1:22:30] DoorDash 013.
[1:22:32] But it does meet the dimensional
requirements for a motorcycle
[1:22:35] space, which can be no more
than 3% of the required spaces
[1:22:40] So that's an additional
seven parking spaces
[1:22:44] So if we were to
utilize those two
[1:22:48] or enhances that, did
one adopt one proposed
[1:22:53] changes to those
calculate options,
[1:22:55] the reduction of the
number of parking spaces
[1:22:58] would actually the exception
would go from 39 down to ten
[1:23:02] and that they would be
asking for a reduction
[1:23:04] from the commercial is
required to have 112 parking
[1:23:10] space as they are
proposing, 156 specifically
[1:23:14] for the commercial part.
[1:23:16] They are not asking
for any exceptions
[1:23:18] from the commercial They are
proposing three motorcycle
[1:23:22] parking spaces in addition to.
[1:23:24] So the commercial aspect
does have extra parking.
[1:23:28] So when we look at
all of this overall
[1:23:31] the total project required is
246 parking spaces with ten
[1:23:36] handicap and total
parking being provided
[1:23:40] is 251 parking
with ten handicap.
[1:23:44] There is 21 on
street parking that
[1:23:47] is being proposed along Wilton
Drive and seventh Avenue.
[1:23:50] Those are not in those are
not taken into consideration
[1:23:53] to the parking calculation
because those are in addition
[1:23:56] to it's not part of that.
[1:23:58] What's required.
[1:23:59] So again, mayor commission
I apologize that the slide
[1:24:04] is not available, bye.
[1:24:06] Hope I was able to explain
additional in regarding
[1:24:10] at least the parking.
[1:24:11] Thank you.
[1:24:12] Any questions from the
commission I have questions
[1:24:17] Can we just clarify the 21
on street parking spaces
[1:24:20] I know that the you
know, these plans
[1:24:24] have changed several times.
[1:24:25] And at one point, the way I saw
it was that the developer was
[1:24:29] asking that those 21 spaces be
included or part of this project
[1:24:34] And I just want to confirm
that that is not the case,
[1:24:38] that the 21 on
street parking spaces
[1:24:41] will remain public
parking spaces
[1:24:43] and they'll continue
to be metered.
[1:24:46] Correct.
[1:24:47] OK.
[1:24:48] So if I understand this parking
calculation, it's very confusing
[1:24:53] but I guess in tonight's agenda
package was Article 30, where we
[1:24:58] were looking to reduce the
number of parking spaces
[1:25:00] and also the dimensions
giving credit for things
[1:25:03] like motorcycle parking.
[1:25:05] So while we start out with 14
exceptions, a lot of those,
[1:25:11] or at least many of the
exceptions related to parking
[1:25:15] either go away or
drastically reduced.
[1:25:18] So while there's currently an
exception for the 39 parking
[1:25:23] spaces if Article 30
modifications are adopted,
[1:25:28] that would go down to ten.
[1:25:30] The exception would be ten.
[1:25:31] That's that's how I see this.
[1:25:33] Is that right?
[1:25:34] Correct.
[1:25:34] OK.
[1:25:35] OK I just for the record, when
I went through the staff report
[1:25:42] on page 831, Exhibit A we talk
about PD development standards
[1:25:49] and the very first line has that
the minimum lot size for p u D
[1:25:53] is net acres and i know, we
changed that a couple of years
[1:25:59] ago, reducing the p u d standard
from two acres to one acre.
[1:26:03] So just for the
record again, it's
[1:26:06] exhibit A of the staff
report on page 31
[1:26:10] that the two acres should
be reduced to one acre.
[1:26:12] Yeah.
[1:26:13] And if I can clarify, that's
actually part of the p u d
[1:26:15] document that will be
updated should the Commission
[1:26:20] approve this project.
[1:26:21] Okay OK.
[1:26:23] Absolutely.
[1:26:24] Thank you.
[1:26:25] I I guess I just want
to understand when we go
[1:26:28] to the bottom of your
parking schedule,
[1:26:31] we talk about total parking
require for I guess,
[1:26:34] the entire shops, the
five acre parcel is to 46
[1:26:39] and total parking provide it.
[1:26:41] It is to 51.
[1:26:43] Correct Okay.
[1:26:44] So there's actually five excess.
[1:26:47] I think it's five.
[1:26:49] You have five excess parking
spaces So why would there be
[1:26:55] a i guess I'm trying to
understand the 39 parking
[1:27:00] space exception Absolutely.
[1:27:03] So when we evaluated
the project,
[1:27:05] we wanted to ensure
that the residential had
[1:27:08] sufficient parking
in order to meet
[1:27:11] the demands that those property
owners or those unit owners
[1:27:14] would have.
[1:27:15] So the parking calculations
were solely based
[1:27:17] upon the residential
component to make sure, again,
[1:27:20] they were able to park it.
[1:27:21] So that's how those
calculations come to play.
[1:27:24] And then the commercial shall
were addressed to, again, make
[1:27:28] sure that any of those
tenants and anyone
[1:27:31] any of those customers,
those patrons
[1:27:32] would also be able
to utilize the space.
[1:27:36] OK I know that we have some
business owners from the shops
[1:27:39] here tonight Can
you just explain
[1:27:42] how parking during construction
will work for those businesses
[1:27:48] and for their patrons, what
they're required and sorry.
[1:27:51] Absolutely.
[1:27:51] So I know So the project
be approved The applicant
[1:27:55] and the city will have
further conversations,
[1:27:57] but the idea is to have
that portion of the parking
[1:28:01] that is within the
southern area the area
[1:28:06] in front of the
alibi and hunters
[1:28:08] to remain open
during construction.
[1:28:11] Again all of this is
all the development
[1:28:13] is impacted on the one
side of the property
[1:28:17] where six Avenue would still
be able to be maintained
[1:28:22] throughout construction We'll
go through detailed plans
[1:28:34] once we get to
construction again.
[1:28:37] If the project's
approved, we're we'll
[1:28:39] be we'll have that Those
conversations with the developer
[1:28:43] just to ensure that everyone
is fully aware There has been
[1:28:47] conversations to see if
there's alternatives that
[1:28:50] could be provided to some of the
patrons, to the business owners.
[1:28:53] I would defer to the
applicant to go into detail.
[1:28:58] Some of those were
Lyft, Uber circuit.
[1:29:02] If there's additional
opportunities
[1:29:04] for them to provide, you know, I
know we do voucher of that sort.
[1:29:10] OK Commissioner, I think when
it gets to the applicant,
[1:29:12] I have questions about that
too, that we can OK, sure, sure.
[1:29:16] My, my, my last item.
[1:29:18] I just want to talk for a
moment about the period.
[1:29:20] So this is currently
arts and entertainment
[1:29:24] zoning under article 30.
[1:29:26] And we would be rezoning
to article 40, which really
[1:29:30] conforms to the site plan.
[1:29:32] That's my understanding I
mean is APD unique to our city
[1:29:39] or do other cities have
planned unit developments
[1:29:41] or similar code that
allow for rezoning
[1:29:45] So these are not
unique to open manors.
[1:29:47] There are a number of
other municipalities
[1:29:49] that do have pudi, Doc,
Pudi zoning districts Okay.
[1:29:55] And can you just
for everyone here
[1:29:57] tonight can you just
explain the difference?
[1:30:00] I know some people
call them variances
[1:30:02] and variances really
don't apply to a PUD.
[1:30:05] A variance would be, I
guess under Article 30
[1:30:08] under Article 40, it
would be an exception
[1:30:10] Can you just briefly explain the
difference between a variance
[1:30:14] and exception under the code?
[1:30:15] Absolutely.
[1:30:16] So an exception
under Article 40 is
[1:30:19] based upon the
specific regulation
[1:30:22] and the Puti document is
authorized and approved
[1:30:25] by the City Commission So it
is specific to that project
[1:30:31] where a variance, although it's
still a case by case situation,
[1:30:35] it has different criteria area
that's required to be justified
[1:30:40] as you go through those.
[1:30:42] Another difference is variances
are approved by planning
[1:30:46] and zoning board exceptions are
only through the city commission
[1:30:51] and they do become
part of the governing
[1:30:53] document for that development.
[1:30:56] So any changes to
that development
[1:30:58] I would have to go
back through again,
[1:31:01] depending upon the nature of
what that change would be,
[1:31:04] it could have to come
back through the city
[1:31:05] commission process.
[1:31:06] And my understanding is
that a variance would
[1:31:09] require a hardship or an
exception And would not
[1:31:12] the it's different.
[1:31:13] It's different degrees of.
[1:31:15] But a hardship is again,
the criteria for variances
[1:31:19] very clear.
[1:31:19] They have three set criteria
to meet for a variance Okay.
[1:31:24] Thank you Paul.
[1:31:28] Your Honor to go
on to your Honor's.
[1:31:33] So, all right.
[1:31:34] So thank you for
this break down.
[1:31:36] It's a little confusing,
but it is actually very
[1:31:38] helpful once you follow it.
[1:31:39] I appreciate the clarification
that the that based
[1:31:42] on the changes that we've
been discussing in the code,
[1:31:45] the reduction went from 39
to 10 And I and I agree.
[1:31:50] You know, residents said
earlier, like, you know,
[1:31:52] they should be able to count
on the code to be what you know
[1:31:54] what they expect and that if
we have a problem with that,
[1:31:56] we should change that.
[1:31:57] So, you know, we're changing the
code where it's not consistent
[1:31:59] and it's not what we expect And
I know that that code is not
[1:32:04] yet finalized but this is like a
great example of how I certainly
[1:32:08] don't know everything but I had
not considered just golf cart
[1:32:10] parking as a type of
parking, you know,
[1:32:13] obviously, those spaces will
fit the dimensions You know what
[1:32:15] we're doing for the motorcycle
will absolutely work for a golf
[1:32:18] cart, you know, And
so we shouldn't have
[1:32:19] to force it into compact So, you
know, personally in seeing this,
[1:32:22] I hope that's something we go
back to and revisit in our code
[1:32:25] is to reflect that because I'm
personally getting rid of my car
[1:32:27] at some point soon.
[1:32:28] And going to a golf cart.
[1:32:29] So it's not just parking
for me Well, I'll be
[1:32:32] happier when I'm off the road.
[1:32:34] So the other thing
to you on here
[1:32:36] is I want to acknowledge
that the commercial,
[1:32:39] they're only required
to build 112 spaces.
[1:32:42] There proposing 156.
[1:32:43] You know One thing
that we have learned
[1:32:46] from from our conversations with
developers and with people that
[1:32:49] finance it a property
can't get financing
[1:32:52] if things like the
parking don't make sense.
[1:32:53] You know they're not going
to provide the financing,
[1:32:55] because the project won't work.
[1:32:57] I think it shows
us something here
[1:32:59] that there there over planning
how much for commercial?
[1:33:03] Because I think that they know
that that's what they have to do
[1:33:05] in order for this project
to work and make sense
[1:33:08] And I think that they're
planning, in my opinion,
[1:33:10] on residential is
very accurate for,
[1:33:12] for what the requirements
of that community
[1:33:14] are of, of a community
of that size.
[1:33:16] It's only 89 units or
something like that, right So
[1:33:19] that makes sense to me.
[1:33:23] But ultimately that's pending
if we approve all the changes
[1:33:26] that we've discussed so
far, that's the difference
[1:33:27] on the ten and 39.
[1:33:29] And as far as going back to my
last thing is on the traffic,
[1:33:31] I know they'll be
further discussions.
[1:33:33] Do we need as a city have to
approve their like do they have
[1:33:36] to get an approved
parking management plan
[1:33:38] or if we approve this, they're
basically have no obligation
[1:33:42] for us to agree with
how they handle parking
[1:33:44] during the interim, you know,
for the existing you know,
[1:33:47] I mean no matter what, we're
still going to have to deal
[1:33:50] with the parking we deal with
out for any development that
[1:33:53] occurs.
[1:33:55] So i've had conversations
with the applicant already,
[1:33:58] so they have been placed on
notice that this is something
[1:34:01] that does have to be
definitively determined
[1:34:06] The most important is to make
sure that our businesses are not
[1:34:10] in our.
[1:34:12] Let me rephrase that are as
least impacted as possible.
[1:34:16] We know that there's
going to be impacts.
[1:34:18] That's just the
nature of development.
[1:34:20] But we want to try to reduce
that as best as we can.
[1:34:23] So I'm hearing that we
need the opportunity for us
[1:34:26] to have them come to
an agreement on how
[1:34:29] we're going to handle it.
[1:34:29] It's not just purely their
choice, correct That's great.
[1:34:33] I the other thing that just to
go back to something your slide
[1:34:36] earlier, I just want to confirm
One of the most important things
[1:34:40] for me about the last
project was the covenant
[1:34:42] that related to the restrictions
on the parcels and frankly that
[1:34:48] protected the commercial
buildings that were there
[1:34:50] in the way that that covenant
was without a doubt, one
[1:34:53] of the best things for the
city and for the tenants that
[1:34:57] are there and for our future.
[1:34:58] I know we have to repeal this
is is that covenant going
[1:35:01] to come back with the in
the set of resolutions
[1:35:05] that it brings back?
[1:35:06] Yes.
[1:35:06] So so there'll be we'll
have all of the releases.
[1:35:13] There'll be a developers
agreement declaration
[1:35:15] of restrictive covenants.
[1:35:16] There'll be the
allocation of units.
[1:35:18] So all of that is
going to be part
[1:35:20] of those resolutions that will
be finalized on this project.
[1:35:24] Again, should the
Commission approve it.
[1:35:27] And I'm going to restate
what I understood
[1:35:28] the covenant to
be just make sure
[1:35:30] that I have the
understanding right.
[1:35:32] That was multiple that
was multiple parcels.
[1:35:35] Ultimately And what we said
is by agreeing to allow you
[1:35:38] to develop this, you can't
split up the commercial
[1:35:40] and residential and then
somebody go and tear down
[1:35:43] the commercial and build
residential because we're
[1:35:45] sort of allocating the
residential over here
[1:35:47] is that so the
allocation of units
[1:35:50] is being addressed as
part of the documentation
[1:35:53] where it's based upon
the overall property.
[1:35:57] And that's the ultimate
number of units that
[1:36:00] would be able to be allocated.
[1:36:02] So we're not going to say, okay,
you know, you can have 89 here.
[1:36:05] And then, oh, here's
another 300 that you want
[1:36:09] to try to get No, it's based
upon that overall parcel
[1:36:12] and that will all be
identified in those documents
[1:36:14] that we'll see at a later
point with the great.
[1:36:16] Thank you all.
[1:36:18] I had, first of
all, I apologize.
[1:36:21] I had to leave.
[1:36:22] I have an emergency at home.
[1:36:24] But i had extensive
discussions this morning
[1:36:28] with the director and the
city manager on the parking
[1:36:32] and on the exceptions.
[1:36:34] So i pretty much am in
agreement with everything.
[1:36:37] And I appreciate
all the comments
[1:36:38] that Commissioner
Darmanin brought up,
[1:36:41] as well as Vice Mayor Caputo.
[1:36:43] So I'm good on the stuff
we're talking about now.
[1:36:48] Thank you.
[1:36:49] Good Thank you.
[1:36:50] So I'm just going to ask a few
questions about the parking.
[1:36:53] And then I'll reserve
my other comments
[1:36:54] until after the
applicants speaks.
[1:36:56] So just going on
to a commissioner
[1:36:58] Caputo was saying just to help
me understand that everybody
[1:37:02] understand about the
restrictive covenant
[1:37:04] where we're rescind
thing or repealing
[1:37:07] all the other covenants
that have been put in place
[1:37:09] with the previous project.
[1:37:09] Everything related to
the previous project.
[1:37:11] We're going to reset for this
project going forward just to be
[1:37:15] clear, after they build this
site are they still able to then
[1:37:19] build on the other half?
[1:37:20] I guess that's ultimately,
that's what the questions out.
[1:37:23] My side you mean correct?
[1:37:24] They could, yes And the entire
and there are a number of units
[1:37:29] they'll be permitted would
be whatever they're allowed
[1:37:32] under the density six
units per acre minus
[1:37:34] whatever they're using here.
[1:37:36] Correct OK.
[1:37:37] So there's going to be no
restrictive covenant in place
[1:37:39] going forward that
they cannot build
[1:37:41] on the other side just to
be clear on the alibi's that
[1:37:44] correct Okay.
[1:37:45] Because it's limited version
of based upon square footage.
[1:37:49] But yes, I'm sorry,
but there's no
[1:37:51] going to be no restrictive
covenant for approval of the PUD
[1:37:55] that they can not build other
units on the other side.
[1:37:59] Correct.
[1:38:00] A part of that are
there's because they
[1:38:02] took 252 units
before river grass,
[1:38:04] which took it from that part.
[1:38:06] And now we're taking we're
sending all them back
[1:38:08] and like taking 89.
[1:38:09] So there's more But
for approval of a paved
[1:38:12] they need the
commission approval
[1:38:14] if we want to add some type
of restrictive covenant,
[1:38:17] we're entitled to ask for it.
[1:38:18] And they can either say
no or we can say no.
[1:38:21] Right?
[1:38:21] Ultimately, that's
what a p D is.
[1:38:23] OK And in terms of the number
of parking spots, also confused.
[1:38:28] Appreciate it.
[1:38:29] At least I'm not the
only one It's confused.
[1:38:33] Yeah.
[1:38:33] So the total.
[1:38:34] Let's just go to
the total numbers.
[1:38:36] It's easiest one to understand.
[1:38:37] Total required parking to 46.
[1:38:41] Is that based on
the proposed change?
[1:38:44] As to the ordinances that
have not yet been passed ?
[1:38:48] Yes.
[1:38:49] At the beginning
when you started,
[1:38:50] you said when the
rules that apply
[1:38:52] or when the applicant
submits their application
[1:38:55] Let me stop right there.
[1:38:56] And you answer.
[1:38:57] So when we look at the number
of required parking spaces
[1:39:01] and I'm going to
touch specifically
[1:39:02] on the commercial first, we
looked at what is existing out
[1:39:07] there, what those businesses
are out there what the uses
[1:39:10] and what the current
parking requirements are.
[1:39:12] And then we take
the new building
[1:39:14] and we parked that at
the worst case scenario.
[1:39:18] So that's where we
come up with the 112
[1:39:20] parking spaces that's required.
[1:39:23] What's the worst case scenario?
[1:39:24] It's one per 300ft².
[1:39:27] Gotcha.
[1:39:27] So that's our
commercial, correct?
[1:39:29] OK.
[1:39:30] Separate from the 1.5.
[1:39:32] 1.25.
[1:39:33] That's all residential, Correct.
[1:39:34] OK just to make sure
we separate that out
[1:39:37] So the 246 is inclusive
of both the commercial
[1:39:40] and the residential.
[1:39:41] Correct.
[1:39:42] The residents So portion,
it's based on the proposed
[1:39:45] ordinances on the 1.25.
[1:39:47] What is what is the
documentation that you
[1:39:50] have before you
is actually based
[1:39:52] upon the existing code of 1.5.
[1:39:55] So this this document this
stuff that we provided,
[1:40:00] what's in the backup is 1.5.
[1:40:03] When you guys i did the
extra analysis Okay.
[1:40:06] So it's based on this.
[1:40:07] So if the revised if the
proposed the ordinance passes
[1:40:13] this number would even be lower.
[1:40:15] Correct ?
[1:40:17] No.
[1:40:19] OK.
[1:40:20] So the number.
[1:40:21] Yes.
[1:40:22] And they're saying no So
I guess different shaking
[1:40:24] heads behind you.
[1:40:25] No, no, no.
[1:40:26] I'm confused Question
was, are these parking?
[1:40:29] I'm confused.
[1:40:30] So the last two, if we
talk about the larger.
[1:40:33] Thank you, be the last two
lines specific to 46 and two.
[1:40:37] So when we look at
what is required
[1:40:40] we are looking at
134 parking spaces
[1:40:43] as is required for residential.
[1:40:45] And we're looking at
112 parking spaces.
[1:40:48] That's required for commercial.
[1:40:50] Right.
[1:40:50] OK That's your 246.
[1:40:53] OK.
[1:40:53] The excess options that
are being requested
[1:40:57] is for the residential
component right?
[1:41:01] Okay.
[1:41:01] And that's where we start to
look at the ordinance that
[1:41:04] was adopted.
[1:41:05] And as well as the ordinance
that's proposed the adoption
[1:41:10] being the use of alternative
types of parking spaces
[1:41:14] like the golf cart parking
space is not counted.
[1:41:17] And there 95 spaces,
that's additional.
[1:41:21] Okay.
[1:41:22] So if you want to
look at 95 plus seven,
[1:41:25] they actually were proposing
a 102 parking spaces.
[1:41:31] But again, because the golf
cart didn't meet the code
[1:41:34] requirements of a
parking space, that's
[1:41:36] why we didn't count those
as part of the proposed
[1:41:39] number of spaces.
[1:41:41] So the 134 required residential
is that based on the 1.2, 5.1.5?
[1:41:50] Okay So if we were to
change our code to 1.25,
[1:41:54] there requirement would
be less 112 would be 1/12.
[1:41:58] Okay.
[1:41:59] And then that's
where we get that.
[1:42:00] But your total number at the
bottom is the 134 residential.
[1:42:04] Correct.
[1:42:05] So the required amount if
and when the ordinance passes
[1:42:08] would be significantly
or nothing.
[1:42:11] Okay.
[1:42:11] 20 2017 spaces 17
I can't do math.
[1:42:15] OK, but one 1222 the
2134 Yeah, minus 12 okay.
[1:42:21] But I got it OK.
[1:42:24] So I think I'm
fine with parking.
[1:42:27] One other thing.
[1:42:28] Just related to
the parking garage
[1:42:30] I don't know if
you can answer it
[1:42:31] or maybe the traffic person
we talk about channelized
[1:42:36] and I understand
that's a curve, right?
[1:42:39] Can you just explain to
everyone but the translation is
[1:42:42] and unless you want to
do some from the traffic,
[1:42:45] I'm going to call up recap
only into is that going to only
[1:42:50] be in or is that both in
and out Please your name,
[1:42:54] state your name.
[1:42:55] Good evening, Council Eric.
[1:42:57] Yeah with Kimberly Hahn Offset
e201 Peters Road getting me
[1:43:03] so you asked about the channel
for the driveway So this avenue.
[1:43:07] Yes.
[1:43:08] So seventh Avenue.
[1:43:09] There's one proposed full
ingress and egress driveway
[1:43:13] and one ingress only
driveway to the south,
[1:43:16] the northern driveway.
[1:43:17] That's where we're
going to have that.
[1:43:19] The project is going to have
the left only restriction
[1:43:23] And the curb on the south
side of that driveway will
[1:43:27] it'll extend out into
the street and conflict
[1:43:30] with any vehicle that's
trying to make a right turn.
[1:43:32] Only they'll still be
able to make the left out
[1:43:36] and the entering traffic could
from the residential side.
[1:43:38] Make a left in I believe, right?
[1:43:41] Yeah and make that
southbound right.
[1:43:44] Turn it into the site and is
that a best practice or anything
[1:43:51] to enhance that because
there are other complexes
[1:43:56] i live in one that has one
of those and people are just
[1:44:00] are impatient and they have no
desire to drive around the block
[1:44:04] and they're constant only
making the illegal turns.
[1:44:07] And both in and out they
do super wide turns.
[1:44:11] Whatever they can figure
out how to get out.
[1:44:13] They drive over the curb.
[1:44:14] I'm not sure it solves the
problem that we're trying
[1:44:17] to solve or if there
are other tools
[1:44:19] to help solve for that
problem of stopping
[1:44:22] the traffic from
going southbound
[1:44:24] down sort of avenue there.
[1:44:25] There definitely are
more extreme measures
[1:44:27] We've seen rebounder
bulls and Miami Beach,
[1:44:29] they deployed rebounder
doubled like delineated
[1:44:33] along the center right.
[1:44:34] That's why I was going to
say I'll that can physically
[1:44:37] restrict anywhere from turning
in the previous application they
[1:44:42] had proposed these
restrictions again,
[1:44:45] just to provide that curb
extension to physically
[1:44:48] present prevent as well as the
turn like the right turn only
[1:44:51] sign the Led signs to, you
know, visually restrict
[1:44:56] it the like massive
restrictions That's I guess,
[1:45:01] the standard practice
would be that.
[1:45:02] Yeah.
[1:45:03] And the concern also with the
providing the those elevators
[1:45:08] within the Marina would be that
the vehicles that maybe would
[1:45:11] want to come to the site
from the residential portion,
[1:45:14] they'll have to circulate
around and additional traffic
[1:45:18] on Walton Drive So you know,
there's pros and cons for it.
[1:45:22] The treatment that the applicant
is proposing at this time
[1:45:24] is consistent with
the other one.
[1:45:26] And we were satisfied with that.
[1:45:28] Thank you.
[1:45:29] Thanks.
[1:45:30] In the US and those are
from parking questions OK.
[1:45:37] I'll make one request
and sure can this be
[1:45:39] made available to the public?
[1:45:40] The sheet that we
were looking at?
[1:45:41] Yeah.
[1:45:42] They're going to put out
They're going to put on.
[1:45:43] Are we sure that they
have access to it?
[1:45:44] Yeah, I think it's in
the agenda packet now.
[1:45:47] This one was not about
this one was only
[1:45:48] when there was no mayor.
[1:45:50] If I can actually address that.
[1:45:51] What we can do is we
can add it to the page
[1:45:53] that we have for
development applications
[1:45:55] on the city's web page.
[1:45:56] OK Now that'll work.
[1:45:59] Thank you very much.
[1:46:00] I think he was very
complete on our half
[1:46:04] except for the parking which
got a little confusing,
[1:46:06] but I think it straightened out.
[1:46:09] Most of my questions
are for the applicant
[1:46:11] but I'll get up yet
We're going to give
[1:46:15] we're going to take care.
[1:46:16] Five minute break,
and then we'll
[1:46:18] get back to me Rob I know
You're on you're there
[1:54:26] and you said please, everyone
take your seats take your seats.
[1:54:33] Take your seats, please See you
and get out of here by 11 1230
[1:54:44] you'll be here by yourself
down 1230 before city
[1:54:54] manager, any city commission.
[1:54:55] You're ready Yes, we're
all set All right.
[1:54:59] The applicant.
[1:55:00] Please state your
name Thank you.
[1:55:03] My name is Denis Mealy 200
East Broward Boulevard.
[1:55:05] Fort Lauderdale On behalf.
[1:55:07] The applicant before I show
some slides that I have,
[1:55:09] I want to just talk
briefly about some
[1:55:12] of the questions you
were asking and provide
[1:55:13] some additional answers.
[1:55:15] So you see on the
screen, the what we have,
[1:55:19] of course, building is
already there building B
[1:55:22] and C and D would be new.
[1:55:24] So during construction, we're
going to keep the building
[1:55:29] a parking lot open and then
as much of the other parking
[1:55:32] onsite open as we can.
[1:55:34] Obviously, we're going to have
to close off certain parts
[1:55:36] when we're working on it But
before we do any of that,
[1:55:39] we meet with your staff usually
police department engineers
[1:55:43] and planning to do what's
called maintenance of traffic,
[1:55:46] just like you see sometimes when
somebody is building a turn lane
[1:55:49] and they have the little
orange cones out in the street,
[1:55:52] they don't just go
shut that stuff up.
[1:55:54] They work with the local
jurisdiction first to see how
[1:55:57] should it be put in
where should it be,
[1:55:58] What part of the day etc..
[1:56:00] And we'll do the same
thing in this parking lot
[1:56:02] to make sure that as many
spaces are open as possible.
[1:56:06] One thing to keep
in mind building a
[1:56:08] is 100% leased with
businesses that have leases
[1:56:12] going out into the future.
[1:56:14] So we're not going
to do anything
[1:56:16] to harm those businesses
because that's our lifeblood.
[1:56:19] You those are our tenants
and they're staying
[1:56:21] and we're very happy.
[1:56:22] The fact that they're staying.
[1:56:24] People often talk about alibi
and hunters They're staying,
[1:56:27] but so is everybody
else in that building.
[1:56:29] And of course, we're
renovating the building
[1:56:31] to make it look much
better than it does today
[1:56:35] So I just wanted to
talk about that briefly.
[1:56:37] The issue of the
number of units.
[1:56:38] So 252 units were allocated
to the property before.
[1:56:42] We only need 89.
[1:56:44] So we're basically
giving 163 back.
[1:56:48] The question about a restrictive
covenant, we only want 89 units.
[1:56:52] We're not doing this
to come back later
[1:56:54] and tear down the commercial
and build more units.
[1:56:57] So if you want us to have a
restrictive covenant as well
[1:57:01] as the restriction that's
in the p, u D, no problem
[1:57:04] because the bottom line to
amanda restrictive covenant,
[1:57:07] you'd have to come back
to the city commission
[1:57:09] to amend the p u d
you'd have to come
[1:57:11] back to the city commission.
[1:57:12] So no problem with a
restrictive covenant
[1:57:14] instead of a maximum of 252
units, it'll be a maximum of 89.
[1:57:19] If we could switch to the other.
[1:57:21] Thank you.
[1:57:21] The other presentation my
planner gave me 72 slide.
[1:57:26] I'm not showing I'll try to
make it like 20 or something,
[1:57:30] and I'll do it as fast as I can.
[1:57:32] I know she's got a long agenda
and a lot of people here.
[1:57:35] All right so much
or I'll be thorough,
[1:57:36] though I will if
there's something
[1:57:38] I missed or something
i have questions about.
[1:57:40] We got the other 57
slides there just in case.
[1:57:45] Just let anybody know, though.
[1:57:47] This is first reading.
[1:57:48] There's two readings.
[1:57:49] If it passes tonight,
there is going
[1:57:51] to be a public comments
during this time Now,
[1:57:56] not just at the B in a meeting.
[1:57:58] Just everybody know.
[1:58:00] I know everybody
knows where we're at.
[1:58:01] But that often helps to
just look at an aerial
[1:58:04] and see where you're at and
what's around you So this is
[1:58:08] our site and you
see building a is
[1:58:11] to remain and of
course, to be renovated
[1:58:14] and then building the new.
[1:58:16] We would tear down that
building in the back
[1:58:18] and build buildings
to A, B, C and D
[1:58:21] that Roberta showed earlier
just showing you the heights
[1:58:25] of structures around us.
[1:58:26] Because in a minute, I'm going
to show you kind of our building
[1:58:28] heights just to
see where we fit in
[1:58:32] So this is a little
rendering of the project,
[1:58:35] you can see building a kind
of in the back building B
[1:58:39] and C, right in the foreground.
[1:58:40] And building D, the new
residential building
[1:58:45] Just the site plan Another
version of the site plan.
[1:58:51] OK This is what
I wanted to show.
[1:58:53] So when we went to the
planning and zoning board,
[1:58:57] we had a recommendation
of approval,
[1:58:58] unanimous for both items, 7 to
0 but as we started to reach out
[1:59:03] to Commissioner and Mayor,
we became clear to us
[1:59:06] that we needed to do better
than what we had done so far
[1:59:09] So you'll notice that Or he
told me there's a laser pointers
[1:59:13] and that great.
[1:59:14] Although he doesn't have
to point out here So
[1:59:17] you notice we got
a 35 foot setback.
[1:59:20] It's now 40.
[1:59:22] We were able to building
up a little bit.
[1:59:25] We had to meet on top a little
bit to make that happen.
[1:59:29] As we were able to achieve
without any foot setback.
[1:59:33] And so 35, we have four
there's two houses down here.
[1:59:37] The setback 62ft, because
this is an open area.
[1:59:40] The building starts here.
[1:59:42] Now, when you're way over
here, the setback is 67ft.
[1:59:46] But in this area here where
we have 35, you're not there
[1:59:49] for oh I'm sorry.
[1:59:57] So this is just showing
you a little vignette
[1:59:59] of that back area.
[2:00:00] So if you look at the
lower left hand diagram,
[2:00:04] then it's I'm sorry, do you mind
going back to that previous.
[2:00:07] Sure So I just
want to understand.
[2:00:12] So the 35 foot setback would
be for the carriers property.
[2:00:19] In other words, the other to
the left of 40, it was 35.
[2:00:24] Now it was 35.
[2:00:25] Now 40.
[2:00:26] So if we go down a little
bit to that corner.
[2:00:30] That's cut out here
by the other way
[2:00:33] by Candler with that still
be 35 or is that 40 because I
[2:00:38] don't see that increasing.
[2:00:40] We're still strong, 35.
[2:00:42] There because it's really the
side of the neighbor's house,
[2:00:46] the garage is actually.
[2:00:48] And so we did leave
that area at 35.
[2:00:51] OK.
[2:00:52] I'd like to know if
we can increase that
[2:00:55] to 40 as well Yes, we will.
[2:00:59] All right.
[2:01:00] Thank you.
[2:01:01] You.
[2:01:01] I will.
[2:01:01] Let me point out that if
we make a change like this,
[2:01:04] which we will do,
obviously the staff
[2:01:07] is going to have to review it.
[2:01:08] OK.
[2:01:09] Make sure it works OK.
[2:01:11] And so if it doesn't
work, that's our risk.
[2:01:13] We have to make sure it works.
[2:01:15] All right Thank you.
[2:01:16] I appreciate that.
[2:01:16] We will.
[2:01:17] So that setback just to
make it clear on here.
[2:01:22] Yes, we come 40.
[2:01:24] OK Piece of the building
is going to slide back.
[2:01:27] So we would have 40
on both sides Yes.
[2:01:30] OK.
[2:01:30] We are adjacent to
residential of single family.
[2:01:33] Residential.
[2:01:33] We will have 40.
[2:01:35] Thank you Can I ask a question?
[2:01:36] No, you're sorry to
interrupt, but I'm
[2:01:39] I need clarity because I've
heard two different numbers.
[2:01:42] Now, as far as the
required setback,
[2:01:45] I've heard that the required
setback for this was 65ft.
[2:01:49] And then I heard the required
setback is the height
[2:01:51] of the building at
that point, which
[2:01:53] would be 48ft 48ft,
six inches, which
[2:01:56] is what your director said.
[2:01:58] That's the actual number.
[2:01:59] Okay.
[2:02:00] So we're not 65, 48.5.
[2:02:03] So you're asking
now the exception is
[2:02:04] you're asking for
eight feet at the
[2:02:06] is what you're asking for Yes.
[2:02:08] Okay.
[2:02:09] From going from 48 to
40 48.5 to 48 86in 8.5.
[2:02:15] Right.
[2:02:16] Okay.
[2:02:16] Thank you Okay.
[2:02:17] Thank you for
basketball and football.
[2:02:20] You're on that slide.
[2:02:21] Since we're asking questions
is that okay with you?
[2:02:24] We ask questions.
[2:02:24] So we don't You
can ask questions.
[2:02:26] It was not up to
him as a mayor Okay.
[2:02:30] I'm okay.
[2:02:31] Yeah.
[2:02:31] So one, I really appreciate
you guys have made
[2:02:36] a lot of a modifications,
so I appreciate
[2:02:39] you coming in and doing this.
[2:02:40] Unsure if it's going to
satisfy the people behind.
[2:02:43] It's not the 45 there, I
think, but it shows that you're
[2:02:46] a willing partner of the city.
[2:02:48] So I definitely appreciate that.
[2:02:49] What is actually, though, the
height of those that were now
[2:02:52] go from 35 to 40.
[2:02:54] So I've heard different
things over time.
[2:02:55] Four foot 5, sorry, four floors.
[2:02:57] Five floors, four floors.
[2:02:59] It's all four floors.
[2:03:00] Putting I have a diagram.
[2:03:02] I'm going to show in a minute
that'll show, you know Okay.
[2:03:05] So I think that will
answer the question.
[2:03:07] Yeah.
[2:03:07] I just want to thank
everyone to understand
[2:03:09] because a lot of different
heights because of the garage
[2:03:12] is just a 40.
[2:03:13] It's 48.
[2:03:14] And we just want to make
sure everyone understands
[2:03:16] what's going on here.
[2:03:17] Let me let me get
right to that, then.
[2:03:19] I'm going to show this
first, then I'll do it.
[2:03:21] So the other thing that we did
when we were at the planning
[2:03:23] and zoning board
meeting they said,
[2:03:26] we want you to do some
things on these balconies
[2:03:29] to make sure that you're
not looking into people's
[2:03:32] yards and that sort of thing.
[2:03:34] So the first thing is, if you
look at the lower left diagram
[2:03:38] here, you see that
there's like a planter box
[2:03:41] along the edge of the balcony.
[2:03:43] So you can't walk
right up to the railing
[2:03:45] because there's a six
foot wide planter box
[2:03:48] So you can walk up this far
but your railing is over there.
[2:03:52] In other words, you can't
walk up to the railing.
[2:03:54] Oh, here to the edge, because
you've got this big planter
[2:03:57] box preventing you from going
up to the railing and of course,
[2:04:01] the planter box has plants
in at least somewhat vertical
[2:04:05] So i wanted to show
you that because I'm
[2:04:08] going to show a line of sight
diagram in a few minutes.
[2:04:11] So you can see how would
it compare to if we built
[2:04:15] the building like wilma
on the drive under
[2:04:17] Article 30 that was 80ft high.
[2:04:19] So i'll show that in a minute.
[2:04:21] So just to clarify because
so I understand that.
[2:04:23] So you've got the edge
of the building, right?
[2:04:25] And you're putting six
foot of the planner
[2:04:28] so that they can't get to
the edge of the building
[2:04:31] to prevent sort of
some site security
[2:04:33] to the edge of the balcony OK.
[2:04:35] And so you see that green on
that diagram in the lower left,
[2:04:39] the green that wraps around
the edge of the balcony that's
[2:04:41] the planter box.
[2:04:42] The other thing we
did is they asked
[2:04:44] us to put on the sides
like that something solid
[2:04:49] So you can't go up to the side
of the balcony and look over.
[2:04:52] So we actually have screening on
the sides of the balconies to.
[2:04:57] So I want to show that
Now, here's the diagram.
[2:05:02] It shows the building height.
[2:05:03] So if you want where
it's yellow that's
[2:05:07] one story where it's orange.
[2:05:09] That's two stories where
it's green, that's four.
[2:05:12] Whereas blue, that's five.
[2:05:14] And where it's
purple, that's six.
[2:05:15] So at one point, the entire
basically the entire residential
[2:05:20] building was five stories.
[2:05:22] But when we saw that we
do better on our adjacency
[2:05:26] see two single family
homes, we lowered
[2:05:28] that portion to four stories.
[2:05:30] That's where you see
this again, That's
[2:05:34] where you see the four stories
adjacent to the single family.
[2:05:38] These are those balconies
that I was just showing you.
[2:05:40] And then the main part of
the building is five stories
[2:05:43] and only this part right
here is six stories.
[2:05:46] And you see that's
the part that's
[2:05:48] closest to the
commercial and farthest
[2:05:50] away from the
residential neighbors.
[2:05:52] So it's 6, 5, so adjacent
to the residential
[2:05:56] where that kind
of neon green is.
[2:06:00] That's 48ft, six inches high.
[2:06:02] That's what roberta was
referring to earlier.
[2:06:05] And that sets the required
under Article three,
[2:06:09] the required setback
for that area
[2:06:11] is based on the 48ft, six inches
height of that portion building.
[2:06:16] You so the design inspiration
the architects love this ellis
[2:06:24] Beach, a beautiful development
award winning development
[2:06:26] in the panhandle of Florida.
[2:06:28] Very modern.
[2:06:29] And this is kind
of the inspiration.
[2:06:31] Some of the colors, some
of the materials etc..
[2:06:33] There's another slide
showing a similar thing.
[2:06:37] So the one thing I will
tell you about my clients
[2:06:41] as they monitor the social media
and we saw that we needed to do
[2:06:46] better on some other things, not
just the setback So we started
[2:06:50] looking at colors and signage
and everything So first of all,
[2:06:54] keep in mind in our building
a where all the tenants are
[2:06:59] staying, it's going
to be renovated,
[2:07:01] it's going to be better
than it is today.
[2:07:03] It'll look a lot better.
[2:07:05] But then in our new
buildings, B and C
[2:07:08] we saw that people
looked at this and said,
[2:07:10] Gee, everything looks
kind of white and brown
[2:07:12] and not very exciting.
[2:07:15] So we started looking
at different things
[2:07:17] we could do to the buildings
to make them look better.
[2:07:19] And we want to do it.
[2:07:20] You know, we're not we weren't
trying to have them be too plain
[2:07:24] But when we saw that,
that was a concern
[2:07:26] we decided to make some changes.
[2:07:28] I want to show you those
now So for example,
[2:07:32] here's the area where you're
between the two buildings,
[2:07:36] B and C, there's going
to be outdoor seating,
[2:07:38] umbrellas tables, you
know, for restaurants etc..
[2:07:42] And you see we're doing a little
bit of kind of public art.
[2:07:44] You see the signage.
[2:07:46] And when a tenant
comes in, they're
[2:07:48] going to be able to
do certain things
[2:07:50] on that facade of the building.
[2:07:51] I mean, we're not going
to start painting them.
[2:07:53] We're but, you know, they
want something with signage.
[2:07:56] They want awning.
[2:07:59] They're just be able to be
a little bit of variation.
[2:08:02] But you know, we
recognize that Wilton
[2:08:06] Drive in for this aspect of it.
[2:08:09] Wilton Drive reminds
me of La Solis, where
[2:08:11] every store is different right?
[2:08:13] But there are areas
where maybe there's
[2:08:15] a larger shopping center where
you can't cut it up that way.
[2:08:20] So we're trying to
fit in well with it.
[2:08:23] I want to assure you that if
people are saying the businesses
[2:08:28] that are there that they like
well, those are in building a
[2:08:30] and they're staying.
[2:08:31] You know, the other
building that we're removing
[2:08:33] doesn't really
have anything in it
[2:08:35] So we wanted to show you that
And then here's another example.
[2:08:40] Same kind of thing.
[2:08:43] This is the floor plan
for buildings B and C,
[2:08:46] you see that we have an
area for outdoor seating
[2:08:48] for restaurants, which we
think is very important.
[2:08:50] And this is right on the drive.
[2:08:51] So I think it's going to
be a great spot showing you
[2:08:57] some of the renovation
that we're going
[2:08:58] to be doing on building a.
[2:09:01] And you know, again,
that is a better than
[2:09:04] and it's why you're
doing the renovations
[2:09:06] on the places that are
open hunters and alibis
[2:09:10] and all the other places.
[2:09:11] Are they going to be
able to stay open?
[2:09:14] Yes.
[2:09:15] Okay OK.
[2:09:16] Yes, they will.
[2:09:17] And we'll be working with
them closely and how we do it,
[2:09:20] you know, you probably
you're probably going
[2:09:22] to have some temporary signage.
[2:09:23] So people open with
that sort of thing Okay.
[2:09:25] We'll work closely with the
with the tenants to do that.
[2:09:28] And I understand.
[2:09:30] I understand it's I got a you
look through paper No, go ahead.
[2:09:35] OK.
[2:09:36] And what is the plan?
[2:09:37] Is it renovating
this part first?
[2:09:40] Is it A, B, C, or d?
[2:09:42] What is that?
[2:09:43] You're sketch.
[2:09:44] So there's actually
we're going to
[2:09:46] in the conditions of approval
there's a condition that
[2:09:49] addresses that.
[2:09:50] And so basically A
has to happen first.
[2:09:53] Okay.
[2:09:54] What the city has said to us
that everybody's been waiting
[2:09:56] for for a long time is
to make the existing
[2:09:59] buildings that you're going to
keep look better than they are.
[2:10:03] Okay.
[2:10:03] So that'll be the first.
[2:10:05] And then the new retail.
[2:10:06] And then the
residential in the back.
[2:10:08] Residential first.
[2:10:09] Right.
[2:10:10] So let me talk about that
That's a good question.
[2:10:13] It's important.
[2:10:13] We cover it.
[2:10:14] So the renovation of building
a and the construction
[2:10:18] of buildings, B and C
will proceed quickly
[2:10:21] because once we're
done with this,
[2:10:23] we're going to go get
a building permit.
[2:10:25] And build them the
residential building
[2:10:28] because it's kind of minimums.
[2:10:29] You have to sell a
certain number of units
[2:10:31] before you can
start construct one,
[2:10:33] because you can't get a
construction loan until you've
[2:10:34] sold a certain number of units.
[2:10:36] So the residential building will
probably be the last thing built
[2:10:39] And what happens if you
renovate A, you build B and C
[2:10:43] and something in the market
changes and the residential
[2:10:48] does not take place for whatever
reason, right Financing they
[2:10:53] don't had 50% of the
sales A lot could happen
[2:10:57] between now and the year into.
[2:10:59] Of course, we don't
think that will happen.
[2:11:00] But if it did we
just have to wait.
[2:11:04] And the city.
[2:11:05] I know would make us
make the site you know,
[2:11:07] keep the site in good condition
I've had clients in the past
[2:11:11] where the city said you're
not keeping your property
[2:11:14] in good condition
So we you know,
[2:11:17] if that's what would happen, we
would tell them not the goal.
[2:11:19] I get it.
[2:11:19] Right.
[2:11:20] Right.
[2:11:20] But it's reasonable to say,
well what if it happens?
[2:11:22] Right.
[2:11:23] Okay.
[2:11:24] So Dennis, can I ask a question?
[2:11:26] Could be longer on those.
[2:11:27] Longer Yes.
[2:11:30] When do you anticipate
starting this?
[2:11:32] Do you have any idea
then which craft identify
[2:11:39] name and address, please.
[2:11:41] Good evening, everyone
My name's Ben Boyce.
[2:11:43] I live at $2,816
Northeast 26th Street.
[2:11:46] I'm with Styles.
[2:11:47] Appreciate everyone coming out
tonight on the retail side,
[2:11:52] we are currently drawing for
CD's and so hopefully we'll
[2:11:56] be in a position to
submit those for permit
[2:11:59] within the next probably
few weeks As soon as we're
[2:12:03] able to get permits, we're
ready to start I mean,
[2:12:06] there's a partnership
in place fully
[2:12:08] capitalized and ready to go on
the retail commercial aspect.
[2:12:12] Okay.
[2:12:12] I would state
though, sorry, just
[2:12:14] to take one step
back on the phasing
[2:12:18] and we can talk about
this a little bit.
[2:12:19] There are certainly some
nuances with phasing
[2:12:21] the site, the buildings
b and C, which
[2:12:25] are the new retail
buildings, take
[2:12:27] longer to build
versus the renovation
[2:12:29] of the existing asset.
[2:12:31] We would certainly want to try
to be very mindful and strategic
[2:12:34] about when we start and finish
the renovations of the existing
[2:12:37] building Just given
that you've got
[2:12:39] the existing tenants in there.
[2:12:40] So again, we can talk
about that a little bit,
[2:12:42] but we would work hand
in hand with the city.
[2:12:45] We've done that over time.
[2:12:46] Dissipate the new buildings
to take the build Yes.
[2:12:50] To the new buildings
vertical is probably
[2:12:52] approximately ten months.
[2:12:53] OK.
[2:12:53] Thank you.
[2:12:54] You.
[2:12:54] What about the existing
building Existing a building?
[2:12:58] There's always unforeseen
conditions, unfortunately
[2:13:00] but you're probably looking
at a roughly 120 days
[2:13:04] to complete the bulk of the
work on the vertical renovation.
[2:13:07] I'm not a builder.
[2:13:08] I don't claim to be just like
I'm not a management accountant
[2:13:12] However, you may want to.
[2:13:14] Everything went out despite
our computers up here.
[2:13:18] You know in the back Good job.
[2:13:22] And because it's going
to take you know,
[2:13:25] approximately four months
high season starts November.
[2:13:29] It's to busiest
time our businesses
[2:13:31] make almost no I
was like almost all
[2:13:34] them most of their money
during that time, it would be
[2:13:37] you could talk with the
business owners there.
[2:13:39] And I would recommend you do so.
[2:13:41] I would recommend you
can't get it in now like,
[2:13:44] wait till after the season.
[2:13:46] So we don't like cannibalize
and destroy their business
[2:13:49] because there's no signage.
[2:13:51] People can't get around
There's maybe less parking
[2:13:54] that's my recommendation.
[2:13:55] But ultimately, you all
need to figure out what's
[2:13:57] best for the tenants there.
[2:13:58] And for the renovation.
[2:13:59] If i can, I have an
understanding that and correct
[2:14:02] me if I'm wrong,
when you, Director,
[2:14:04] that they can't be
issued a C on that.
[2:14:08] And the buildings until
a until A is complete
[2:14:11] Did I understand that correctly?
[2:14:13] So the only thing I would say
is and i think that that's
[2:14:16] very smart that you
suggest that we talked
[2:14:17] to, that the tenants
and the tenants
[2:14:20] may not want it to be
during season, bye.
[2:14:22] If that's a tenant choice to
do that, I don't want that.
[2:14:25] I don't want them honoring a
tenant choice to prevent them
[2:14:28] from building in the retail.
[2:14:30] Like I think we need to account
for that if they're giving
[2:14:32] flexibility because of
the tenants, let's not,
[2:14:34] you know damage
them because of it.
[2:14:37] So when Ben and I were
talking about this earlier,
[2:14:40] he mentioned the same thing you
just heard talk about ten months
[2:14:43] to build the new
buildings, take about
[2:14:44] four months to
renovate building a
[2:14:47] and he would like
to finish them.
[2:14:49] But basically, the
same time So okay then
[2:14:54] and I say that right that he
will okay April next year they
[2:14:58] but yes, there is a condition
that we have to deal with
[2:15:01] and i'm honored I might want to
talk about that for a minute.
[2:15:04] But let me finish,
Jacob, can we have
[2:15:07] some additional
letters of support
[2:15:08] that I weren't in
the back up, so.
[2:15:10] Jacobs is going
to bring them up.
[2:15:12] One from the venue one
from Heather AB dinoire.
[2:15:20] She was had questions about the
channel ization of the driveway,
[2:15:23] wanted to make sure we were
sending the cars back to Wilton
[2:15:25] Manors and back to won't drive
and not into the neighborhood
[2:15:28] And she thanked us for doing
and then also down moody
[2:15:32] and I think that's it,
right, Jacob OK thank you.
[2:15:36] And there's other letters
already in your back up right?
[2:15:39] OK.
[2:15:40] Let me keep going Oh, these are
just some interior shots Oh, we
[2:15:52] also made changes to
the residential building
[2:15:57] similar to what I was showing
on the retail and a little bit
[2:16:00] of color and a little bit
of variation of materials
[2:16:03] from tile and some other things.
[2:16:05] Just to, you know, get away
from too much of the too much,
[2:16:10] just the white look
just showing you
[2:16:16] the pool area pulled
back that area
[2:16:22] And then I'm going to
skip to the last slide.
[2:16:24] Now, you don't want to
focus on the pet spa.
[2:16:27] Can you do that?
[2:16:27] That's fine Everyone
let me tell you,
[2:16:33] I came out a little
bit early tonight.
[2:16:34] And I was driving
through the neighborhood
[2:16:36] and you got a lot of
people walking dogs
[2:16:38] and like our dogs and cats OK.
[2:16:42] So One of the things that
we were I got to keep going.
[2:16:46] Right.
[2:16:47] Okay.
[2:16:48] And should be almost there.
[2:16:51] Think it's the second
to the last slide.
[2:16:54] There we go Here it is.
[2:16:56] OK.
[2:16:56] So we were asked
how would it compare
[2:17:00] the way we're
building our building
[2:17:02] versus article 30 building?
[2:17:04] I don't know if that's
the right way to say it,
[2:17:05] but that's sort of
what you said to me
[2:17:07] So the Article 30 building
can be 80 foot high.
[2:17:10] It does have that step back.
[2:17:12] So you see the
article 30 building
[2:17:14] is basically the purple line.
[2:17:15] That's what that is.
[2:17:16] We didn't draw the building.
[2:17:17] We just drew the you
know, the setback,
[2:17:20] the step back and the height.
[2:17:22] So that this corner right here
is that that's the 80 foot mark.
[2:17:28] And actually,
under your code you
[2:17:30] can have a balcony extending
three feet out into the setback.
[2:17:35] So the Article 30 building will
have a balcony right here where
[2:17:39] the person can stand
right up to the railing
[2:17:41] and look over and look
over into the backyard
[2:17:46] for single family homes.
[2:17:48] Our building even though we're
closer to the property line,
[2:17:52] this is our maximum
height This is our balcony
[2:17:58] And you can't see
the person's house.
[2:18:01] You can see this, which
is above the house
[2:18:04] because you can't come up to
the end zone and five foot six,
[2:18:08] I can't see anything
in a six foot
[2:18:12] So that was the
last slide I had.
[2:18:14] But I was asked to, you know,
show how would it be, how would
[2:18:16] it compare if you built
Article 30 versus we're
[2:18:19] building for the privacy of the
single family homes behind us.
[2:18:23] So we hope that we've
been able to achieve that.
[2:18:27] You know, when I worked on the
last project with the Wilma
[2:18:30] on the Drive and there.
[2:18:32] We had a parking
garage in the back.
[2:18:34] And so neighbors
said, hey, nobody can
[2:18:37] there are no
windows for somebody
[2:18:38] to look out into my yard.
[2:18:39] So I knew it was an important
thing because we heard about it.
[2:18:42] Then if we had Windows if they
would have been concerned.
[2:18:46] So we said, what can we do
to make sure that you can't
[2:18:49] look into somebody's yard?
[2:18:50] And the planter boxes?
[2:18:52] The setback and
everything else we did
[2:18:54] seems to have done
the trick much better
[2:18:56] than an Article 30 building
80 foot high with a balcony
[2:19:00] sticking out three feet.
[2:19:01] So just for clarity
in case other people.
[2:19:03] So when you say Article three,
it's what our code allows us
[2:19:06] without modification is the
example you give that you know
[2:19:10] and a three foot off
of that, you know,
[2:19:13] so you could obviously
look down if we did not
[2:19:15] reason if we kept our
current WD zoning district,
[2:19:19] we would be the purple line.
[2:19:21] Okay.
[2:19:23] And the planners
will that and will
[2:19:26] that is that something
that is written
[2:19:28] into that in the site plan?
[2:19:29] So they have to always be there.
[2:19:30] There's not an opportunity
that's correct.
[2:19:32] Okay.
[2:19:33] And they're in our
PUD document, too.
[2:19:35] So remember what
Roberta was saying
[2:19:36] earlier because a
p d has a graphic
[2:19:40] that goes with the ordinance.
[2:19:42] It is really kind
of the site plan
[2:19:44] was just a little bit
less information on it.
[2:19:46] But yes these planner boxes
are required by the P, U,
[2:19:49] D, and the site plan.
[2:19:52] And if you feel you need
to make that stronger
[2:19:54] and you want to make it
a condition or something,
[2:19:56] were perfectly fine with that
because we're going to do it.
[2:20:01] You know questions.
[2:20:03] But i have a question.
[2:20:06] Dennis thank you.
[2:20:08] I know you and I have had many
conversations and especially
[2:20:12] about setbacks And I had to
strongly ask that the setbacks
[2:20:17] start with a four.
[2:20:18] So i'm really glad to see that
you've increased the setbacks.
[2:20:21] I remember when you said you
wanted to start with a four
[2:20:23] and my client said,
Does he mean four?
[2:20:25] I so thank you for that.
[2:20:30] We also had discussions
about it when we
[2:20:33] approved the One year project.
[2:20:35] There was a disclosure there was
an acknowledgment where people,
[2:20:39] the residents are
acknowledging that they
[2:20:41] live in the alternative
payment district
[2:20:43] and what goes with that?
[2:20:44] Because I don't want frivolous
noise complaints constantly.
[2:20:47] A code And I think
that you have agreed
[2:20:50] to put those that disclosure
in the bylaws Yes.
[2:20:55] Okay.
[2:20:55] I'm also going to ask typically
there's a application that gets
[2:21:00] filed with the rules and
regulations where applicants
[2:21:04] will initial it, you
know, when it's buried
[2:21:06] in a in a three page bylaw.
[2:21:08] No one sees that.
[2:21:09] But I would also ask that the
disclosure be in the application
[2:21:13] package where it's
acknowledged and initialed
[2:21:17] with everything else.
[2:21:18] Yes, we will do that.
[2:21:19] Thank you.
[2:21:20] I appreciate that
And I know typically,
[2:21:23] we provide, I believe, copies of
the condo documents for the city
[2:21:26] attorney to review.
[2:21:28] So we'll provide a copy
of the application.
[2:21:30] OK And thank you for the offer
with the restrictive covenant,
[2:21:34] we will take you up on that.
[2:21:35] No problem We will.
[2:21:38] I think i think that's
all I have for now Chris,
[2:21:42] sorry to jump back in there.
[2:21:44] If I understood it wasn't
mentioned earlier that there is
[2:21:46] some sort of
agreement that if more
[2:21:49] traffic calming is necessary
that you guys were open to that.
[2:21:53] And do I understand that
there's some sort of we
[2:21:55] have some sort of
construction bond or some bond
[2:21:57] that I mean, I feel confident
that the traffic will be,
[2:22:01] as it's described.
[2:22:02] And we won't need to.
[2:22:03] But if we needed to there is
some we have some recourse
[2:22:05] to be able to do those.
[2:22:08] Yes, we had committed at the
PNC meeting that we would do it.
[2:22:12] Roberta mentioned that
you have a system that you
[2:22:14] use for traffic calming.
[2:22:15] So I think she wanted it
to go through that system.
[2:22:17] And once it does, if they
say that we need to do it,
[2:22:20] we'll take care of it.
[2:22:21] Well, the only thing that the
P and Z asked us to do that.
[2:22:23] We're not going
to be able to do,
[2:22:25] Remember, they asked
for a mid-block
[2:22:27] crossing if D.O.T. approved.
[2:22:29] Right.
[2:22:29] Well, we went to Dot and they
said no Of course they did.
[2:22:33] Just draw on that Alaska
and we could finish it.
[2:22:38] So any other questions for me?
[2:22:40] I have a question on the
planner box and the balconies.
[2:22:45] Those are limited
common elements.
[2:22:47] I'm sorry, the planter box
and the balconies on a condo.
[2:22:51] They're limited common
elements, correct?
[2:22:53] Yes OK.
[2:22:55] So who's going to maintain
the planter boxes and who's
[2:23:00] going to make sure that
the plants get watered
[2:23:03] and stay there?
[2:23:04] The condo owner, Because you
would have to be you know,
[2:23:08] I agree because I mean
you have to go through
[2:23:09] that the condo to get to it.
[2:23:11] It'll be the owner's
responsibility
[2:23:13] to the individual unit owner.
[2:23:14] But if he doesn't do it, the
Condo Association Association
[2:23:16] will have the right to
step in and take care of it
[2:23:19] And they have to go through
their unit to get to it.
[2:23:22] I'm sorry Interesting.
[2:23:24] It's a patio, though, right?
[2:23:25] Yes.
[2:23:26] Their pad is their back kind of.
[2:23:27] You can get by times You
know, the outside area,
[2:23:29] you can do it is.
[2:23:30] No, no.
[2:23:31] These are just balcony keys
for an individual unit.
[2:23:33] They're not as not say, party
area or something like okay that
[2:23:49] was a very detailed explanation
for something I said,
[2:23:52] with fewer words I just what?
[2:23:56] Say it again, then i went to the
university of Michigan and Tim
[2:24:01] went to Michigan State.
[2:24:02] So we do this all the time.
[2:24:04] Yeah, that's a problem.
[2:24:07] But so there there's
like a hallway.
[2:24:09] I just want to reiterate cause
I think what he said is, yeah,
[2:24:11] there's a hallway and then
so you're then it's this sort
[2:24:14] of patio on the other side.
[2:24:15] So it's not like
people have to like,
[2:24:17] come through someone's
private home I don't know.
[2:24:19] I maintain this kind of
just need all those words
[2:24:23] and Yeah, I'd say.
[2:24:25] But just just one last question.
[2:24:27] Can we just talk about
bike racks for a moment?
[2:24:30] I believe you have bike
racks in the garage.
[2:24:32] Is that where they are ?
[2:24:33] Yes, in the garage.
[2:24:35] But also bike racks in the
shopping center parking lot.
[2:24:38] And I think it's by the i store.
[2:24:41] Is that where they are I
believe that I've just gotten
[2:24:44] some complaints from residents I
think that there were bike racks
[2:24:47] at One point over
on the alibi side
[2:24:49] because people were using
them and now they're
[2:24:52] completely on the other side.
[2:24:54] So I guess my only request is it
possible to put some bike racks
[2:24:58] back there That's my request.
[2:25:01] He just said yes Yes, that.
[2:25:04] Okay.
[2:25:04] Thank you.
[2:25:05] You.
[2:25:05] I appreciate it.
[2:25:06] Thank you.
[2:25:06] Go ahead.
[2:25:07] So if you have any
other questions for me,
[2:25:09] I'll be happy to
answer them at the end
[2:25:11] of the public comment period.
[2:25:12] Like the opportunity.
[2:25:13] Oh, i'm sorry I
missed one thing.
[2:25:15] I was supposed to
talk a public comment.
[2:25:16] Conditions So I just wanted
to clarify on condition number
[2:25:22] six, that's your standard
condition, that a site plan
[2:25:25] expires after one year issue.
[2:25:27] A building permit is not issued
I've reviewed this with Roberta
[2:25:32] and obviously the commercial
buildings are going
[2:25:34] to go within a year,
but the residential
[2:25:37] is not because or may not.
[2:25:39] That depends on
how long it takes
[2:25:40] them to sell the
number of condos
[2:25:42] you needed to sell and start.
[2:25:43] So what time are
you looking for?
[2:25:45] 3 years for the condo
building Because I think it.
[2:25:50] I hope it will take less.
[2:25:52] But are you knocking down the
buildings in the back right
[2:25:56] away when you do
the front being see.
[2:26:00] Yeah.
[2:26:01] OK So after a year,
though, I mean,
[2:26:04] we want to make sure that's
not just a bunch of dust bowl
[2:26:07] back there.
[2:26:08] If you're not going to start it.
[2:26:10] So something has
to be done there.
[2:26:11] I'm not saying you need to
plant trees or things like that.
[2:26:13] But you have to make sure
that it looks maintenance.
[2:26:18] I hear you see that or do
something, something rash.
[2:26:22] Yeah.
[2:26:22] Okay Is it possible to
put a temporary parking
[2:26:26] lot there to help?
[2:26:28] It would be up to the city
because they'd have to make
[2:26:30] it a parking anywhere drainage.
[2:26:31] Unless we look at
something temporary
[2:26:34] where there are allowed, even
if, you know, travels allowed.
[2:26:36] But you know what
I'm to maybe we don't
[2:26:42] need to answer for that now.
[2:26:44] Yeah, that the answer
now, but Dennis
[2:26:46] just it's something could be
a parking would be the is not.
[2:26:50] So if we knock down the built
when we knock down the building
[2:26:53] if we're not starting the
condo building right away,
[2:26:55] well, we'll work with
the staff rocket repair
[2:26:58] the site whether it
should just be grass
[2:27:00] or whether it could be a
temporary parking lot I think it
[2:27:03] just we're going to staff you.
[2:27:05] OK?
[2:27:05] But we're open So if we can
just go back to the comments
[2:27:10] earlier that commissioners
are many have just brought up
[2:27:12] about a potential
restrictive covenant
[2:27:15] and building aside from
that, I think we would just
[2:27:20] do a restrictive covenant that
says in this property right,
[2:27:25] there's only 89
residential units.
[2:27:26] If we ever wanted to
build more than that,
[2:27:28] we would have to
amend the covenant,
[2:27:30] which means we would have to
come back to the commission.
[2:27:33] OK which is frankly better
than what we have before And so
[2:27:36] before I was 20, 29.
[2:27:37] Yeah, 2 4, 3,
right Is this time,
[2:27:40] Mayor for just
general discussion
[2:27:41] on us or just questions?
[2:27:42] OK.
[2:27:42] Yeah.
[2:27:43] Because you're.
[2:27:43] Are you done?
[2:27:44] I just want one
thing I needed to do,
[2:27:46] so I wanted to ask about
the start of construction
[2:27:49] for the residential which I did.
[2:27:51] And then we talked
about this earlier
[2:27:53] on page eight of 11
of the ordinance.
[2:27:56] And actually on page six
starts the conditions.
[2:27:59] But the two that I wanted to
talk about were 28 and 29.
[2:28:02] So 28 is the one we were
talking about earlier about when
[2:28:05] do you do building a, A, B,
the other buildings, right
[2:28:09] So right now, 28 says
prior to the issuance
[2:28:12] of the first certificate of
completion or first occupancy,
[2:28:15] there's a couple of words
missing there for the project.
[2:28:18] The facade improvements for
building a must be complete.
[2:28:22] So we wanted to make
it clear, I'm sorry,
[2:28:24] what we can change that
because if somehow we
[2:28:27] want to wait until some time to
do that, not maybe summer time,
[2:28:31] but maybe till March
or April or May
[2:28:33] even start that because
you said you want
[2:28:34] to finish at the same time.
[2:28:36] Correct.
[2:28:37] So if you don't start the
building until January
[2:28:41] you really don't
want to start of size
[2:28:44] and pride till june maybe.
[2:28:45] And they'll be done before
the next year, before that.
[2:28:48] Okay.
[2:28:49] So we can work
out a certain way.
[2:28:50] We can do it with Roberta
word that that you're
[2:28:53] going to make it so you can best
put it towards the summertime.
[2:28:57] I mean, I haven't talked
to the businesses yet.
[2:28:58] Maybe businesses will say
no to summertime stuff.
[2:29:01] It is We can't afford
to have that mess.
[2:29:03] But you know I would
coordinate with the businesses
[2:29:06] as best you can
and with roberta.
[2:29:09] So because we're going to be
coming back for a second reading
[2:29:12] if saying this evening, we could
write if you still talk to.
[2:29:15] Yeah, that's fine You come
up with something worse
[2:29:18] than the last one.
[2:29:19] I want to talk
about was number 29.
[2:29:22] So 29 is a problem because
it's tying the construction
[2:29:26] of B and C to D right?
[2:29:29] D, the B in the residential
of building B and C beyond.
[2:29:31] The two new
commercial buildings,
[2:29:33] you have to get construction
loans to build these buildings
[2:29:36] and a construction lender is
not going to loan you money
[2:29:38] on your building if you can't
build unless somebody else
[2:29:41] builds their building
that he's not
[2:29:43] even loaning the money on So 29,
we really need it to go away.
[2:29:48] I don't really have a
problem with that one,
[2:29:50] to be honest with you.
[2:29:51] As long as long as we know that
if you knock down the building
[2:29:54] back there and something happens
it's going to take two years.
[2:29:57] And you make it a
parking lot parking lot
[2:30:00] or make it a green
space for now.
[2:30:03] I mean, that's me speaking, but
I don't have a problem with that
[2:30:05] because the fact that he has to
get a percentage of of condos
[2:30:09] sold before he starts in
our city code, which would
[2:30:12] require, you know, some level.
[2:30:13] You can't just you can't
just leave rubble there.
[2:30:15] Right.
[2:30:16] You know, will sort of
guarantee us some level there.
[2:30:19] And as long we understand
that you would not
[2:30:21] want us to tear
down the building
[2:30:23] and leave a bunch of
bare dirt there right.
[2:30:25] That's not good for anybody.
[2:30:26] No, I know But as long as
put some wording in there
[2:30:29] and talk to Roberta, put some
wording in there that, you know,
[2:30:31] after a certain time if you
know you're not going to build
[2:30:35] in the next six months that
something has to be done
[2:30:37] to that, that will
we'll put that language
[2:30:40] into conditional Yeah.
[2:30:42] Now, when we talk
about the time frame.
[2:30:44] OK, right in there with.
[2:30:45] Okay.
[2:30:46] Thank you very much again.
[2:30:47] Any questions?
[2:30:49] You still ask questions.
[2:30:50] Okay You said you were
done, then you say
[2:30:52] you still have something else.
[2:30:53] Just general
discussion, right Okay.
[2:30:54] So many questions right?
[2:30:57] No question.
[2:30:57] Anybody else?
[2:30:58] Any questions for Dennis?
[2:30:59] No, no, no Or you.
[2:31:00] Then you can just
like the opportunity
[2:31:01] to come back at that.
[2:31:02] Don't go far away.
[2:31:03] Okay.
[2:31:04] Thank you.
[2:31:04] I'll be close.
[2:31:05] Thank you.
[2:31:05] You.
[2:31:06] So nothing else Like I
told everybody before,
[2:31:09] second reading.
[2:31:10] Oh we have a motion in a second.
[2:31:14] So a discussion You anything?
[2:31:18] Yeah.
[2:31:19] So, you know, we're here.
[2:31:21] Well, thank you for
the presentation
[2:31:22] and thank you from
city staff for that.
[2:31:24] And I appreciate all the
residents coming out and voicing
[2:31:26] their opinions and voicing
them over the course of the
[2:31:29] past few weeks and few months.
[2:31:32] That gives the developer
information just like they made
[2:31:35] changes to some of the walls
and actually the aesthetic piece
[2:31:39] of comments that they've
heard Not a big fan of PEDs
[2:31:44] And you know, we spent so much
time building out the taxes,
[2:31:48] and all the rules So
developers and residents
[2:31:52] understand this is
what you need to build.
[2:31:54] Although I may not like pewds
it's a legal pathway in our
[2:32:00] it's an ordinance in
our charter that people
[2:32:02] can follow to get to this
get to the same results
[2:32:06] of a finished product.
[2:32:08] So although I like them,
they're allowed to do them.
[2:32:11] So I know there's
people talking about,
[2:32:14] well, you know, we have
rules in place We do.
[2:32:17] But this is just
an alternate route
[2:32:19] that they've opted
to take that they're
[2:32:21] allowed to do So whether
I like it or not,
[2:32:23] it's not about my feelings.
[2:32:24] You're allowed to do it.
[2:32:25] And there's pros and cons to
doing it and to not doing it.
[2:32:30] But I will tell people there's
some people that may not know
[2:32:34] style is used to own this
property Many years ago,
[2:32:37] and there were always a really
good partner to the city.
[2:32:41] The people that
purchased it from them
[2:32:43] that they have subsequently
re bought it back and your.
[2:32:47] Yeah.
[2:32:48] Builders they forever.
[2:32:49] I don't want to say the
name, but the previous owner
[2:32:52] right before them in between
you own it weren't necessarily
[2:32:55] great neighbors and I was not
overly fond of their project
[2:33:00] and i think you're coming
in, being a true partner.
[2:33:04] And so i do appreciate that.
[2:33:05] And you've come
in with a project
[2:33:07] that you may be asking
for exceptions for,
[2:33:10] but you've revised
a number of times
[2:33:12] to accommodate
residents requests,
[2:33:14] commissioners requests
staff requests
[2:33:17] and this is about a
long term partnership.
[2:33:19] So i just want to say that that
i really do appreciate that.
[2:33:23] I do appreciate it.
[2:33:24] Question of Dominico really
pushing that noise issue.
[2:33:27] I think that's going
to be really important
[2:33:29] And just as a side note I would
actually like city manager
[2:33:33] to make a note that I would like
the noise ordinance specifically
[2:33:38] for the Wilton Drive arts
and Entertainment District
[2:33:41] to come back.
[2:33:42] So we could have discussion
on that at a different meeting
[2:33:45] because I think that may need
to be adjusted because we're
[2:33:49] having you know,
some development
[2:33:50] and just along the whole idea.
[2:33:55] So I just want to clarify I want
to reassure Robert already went
[2:33:59] through the difference between
a pretty and a T. You see,
[2:34:02] this is a legal route that
they're allowed to take
[2:34:04] Whether I like it or not.
[2:34:06] You're allowed to do it.
[2:34:07] I personally think
after seeing this,
[2:34:10] I think it's a great project.
[2:34:11] I appreciate you listening
and moving those setbacks back
[2:34:19] a little bit further The
current policy allows
[2:34:24] for seven bonus or
eight with bonus,
[2:34:27] seven allows seven floors.
[2:34:28] The back of this is four.
[2:34:31] He showed a description
of the sightlines
[2:34:35] and I think this
satisfies just about
[2:34:39] every single concern carries
may not be entirely happy.
[2:34:44] I think it's definitely
you're giving a thumbs up.
[2:34:46] So for the record, it's a
thumbs up from a from one
[2:34:51] of the couriers.
[2:34:53] So Oh, and I think it's
a really happy medium.
[2:34:58] We have a job to do of
what's best for the city.
[2:35:02] And I always try to
make the decision.
[2:35:05] What's best for the
majority of the city
[2:35:08] will never please every
single person I know.
[2:35:10] Someone earlier spoke
about it did an entrance,
[2:35:16] someone else spoke up.
[2:35:17] Yes, there are a few
a few houses away.
[2:35:20] The no matter what
we do up here we
[2:35:22] will never satisfy
100% of the people.
[2:35:24] And unfortunately,
that's the way it is.
[2:35:26] I try to.
[2:35:27] And in all my
decisions, I try to.
[2:35:29] I think this is a really
good project for the city,
[2:35:32] especially with the
additional setbacks
[2:35:34] only being four stories.
[2:35:36] I was never fond of the seven
stories that we allowed.
[2:35:38] There So again, I
want to thank all
[2:35:41] the residents for coming out for
this We have another reading.
[2:35:44] I want to hear from you.
[2:35:45] But again and thank
you for city staff
[2:35:48] and for the developer for
bringing this what seems to be
[2:35:51] a really nice
project into our city
[2:35:53] and renovating and refurbishing
and refreshing what's
[2:35:57] already there existing.
[2:35:58] So building a is the
heart of what drive
[2:36:02] And so I appreciate you coming
in and not wanting to do
[2:36:05] anything except make it better.
[2:36:06] So for me, that's
really really important.
[2:36:09] You said that word to
change that could change
[2:36:11] the fabric of our
entire community
[2:36:12] and we've heard
people talk there
[2:36:14] and public comments earlier.
[2:36:16] This is the community
that we have
[2:36:17] and we need to be
fighting for it.
[2:36:19] And I hope you'll
be partners in that
[2:36:20] and supporting our community
going forward Yeah, well, yes, I
[2:36:26] want to really express my thanks
to styles to Janice and to Tim,
[2:36:32] because i've had
discussions with all three
[2:36:34] of these gentlemen from the
very beginning of this project.
[2:36:37] And the one thing
I talked to Ben
[2:36:39] about early on, we had a
meeting when it was only 25ft.
[2:36:42] The setback And I know he wasn't
happy because I said I didn't
[2:36:46] think that would work but I
but I said, let's keep talking
[2:36:50] and let's keep
having a discussion.
[2:36:52] And we did We had I
don't know if this
[2:36:56] is the time for the
ex parte communication
[2:36:58] or we do that the next meeting.
[2:36:59] It's not a question of
it's not quasi judicial.
[2:37:02] Okay.
[2:37:03] So i appreciate
working with the city
[2:37:07] and addressing some
of the concerns.
[2:37:10] I live on that street, so I hear
it every single day from some
[2:37:14] of the neighbors over there.
[2:37:16] Okay.
[2:37:17] I walk my dog this
morning and got an earful.
[2:37:19] But I did We did talked.
[2:37:24] I think I talked to Dennis
about trying to go back
[2:37:27] to move it from 35 to 40ft.
[2:37:29] If we could I know you lowered
the height of the building
[2:37:32] on that side.
[2:37:33] You put the planters
on the balcony.
[2:37:35] So I from a working
with a developer for I
[2:37:39] think this has been a
really good relationship.
[2:37:41] You've taken into consideration
all of our concerns.
[2:37:44] You've taken into consideration
the concerns of the residents
[2:37:48] And like Mike said,
not everybody's
[2:37:50] going to be 100%
happy, but we need
[2:37:52] to do what's best in the
broader vision of the city.
[2:37:56] And I just want to be
clear that supporting
[2:37:59] a responsible developer is
not the same as being proud
[2:38:02] developer.
[2:38:03] And I think that you guys
are responsible developers
[2:38:06] and my responsibility would be
to determine whether project
[2:38:10] benefits to community.
[2:38:11] And I think this one does.
[2:38:12] And thank you, Don.
[2:38:15] Sure.
[2:38:16] I agree with a lot
of the comments
[2:38:18] that our last two
commissioners made We
[2:38:21] have not had a condominium in
our city, a new condominium.
[2:38:25] I believe the last
one was Walton
[2:38:26] Station, almost 20 years ago.
[2:38:28] And I can't tell you how
many residents have asked
[2:38:30] me or people that want
to move here saying you
[2:38:33] know, where else can I look?
[2:38:34] We'd like a new condo.
[2:38:35] And we don't have any.
[2:38:36] So I think this clearly
satisfies the need.
[2:38:41] The last project
that we approved
[2:38:43] was the one we're project.
[2:38:44] It was much more dense.
[2:38:46] It was 250 to rental
units versus 89
[2:38:51] ownership opportunity units.
[2:38:54] That was a mixed
use building This is
[2:38:56] and what I do like,
I do like that
[2:39:00] a adjacent to the
single family homes
[2:39:03] is really strictly residential.
[2:39:05] You're not going to
have commercial there.
[2:39:07] And I think it's a really good
idea from a noise perspective
[2:39:10] that people in the
residential building
[2:39:12] do not have commercial
and noise and restaurant
[2:39:15] in their building.
[2:39:17] So I think that that's a
huge plus This building,
[2:39:21] this proposal over the last
one, I guess from a traffic
[2:39:26] perspective of
generates much less
[2:39:28] traffic I think that
there's a lot of advantages.
[2:39:32] I think it's a great project.
[2:39:33] I appreciate everyone's
efforts in trying
[2:39:36] to work with the commission
I think you did listen to us.
[2:39:40] I appreciate that.
[2:39:42] And i think you listen
to the neighbors
[2:39:45] So hopefully we can
move forward with this.
[2:39:48] I hope everyone is happy with
the end result. And you know,
[2:39:54] I do think it's worthwhile
and good project for community
[2:39:59] as a whole.
[2:39:59] So thank you, Benjamin
So thank you to Dennis
[2:40:05] and the team from Styles.
[2:40:07] Dennis we've worked with
you on projects before
[2:40:08] and I've always thought
because you're just always
[2:40:09] an honest person,
we could always
[2:40:11] trust the things that you said.
[2:40:12] I remember when I stood next
to you and your earshot nice
[2:40:15] and I said to you, But
so you could hear it.
[2:40:17] I don't want to talk to anybody.
[2:40:18] And, with this set back the way
it is, it's a nonstarter for me.
[2:40:21] And I didn't hear from
you, which is unusual.
[2:40:22] But I can hear from
you because you
[2:40:24] knew it was going
nowhere with the setback
[2:40:25] as it was I didn't
hear from you and tell.
[2:40:26] I don't know.
[2:40:27] Was it today or yesterday
or whatever it was.
[2:40:29] And i was going to say that
even though I'm saying yes,
[2:40:32] are we going to say yes now?
[2:40:33] It was sort of holding back
to talk to the residents that
[2:40:35] are affected.
[2:40:36] I saw a thumbs up,
which is a good sign.
[2:40:38] You know, I think
it is important
[2:40:40] that we honor what the intent
is of the rules that we set
[2:40:44] or we change the rules.
[2:40:45] And so I you know I
firmly believe that this
[2:40:48] honors the intent of those.
[2:40:49] And if the residents applaud it,
and I love that, you know, we're
[2:40:52] going to be flexible and working
this so that we you know,
[2:40:55] if the tenants want us to
hold off on the improvements,
[2:40:57] we're going to do
what they want.
[2:40:59] You know, I appreciate the
things you've done because you
[2:41:01] could have gone
to seven stories,
[2:41:03] you know, all the
way to the edge.
[2:41:05] There's a lot of
things that could
[2:41:06] have been done that,
you know frankly,
[2:41:08] for probably make more money.
[2:41:09] But you realize this
makes more sense for us.
[2:41:11] So I just want to
appreciate that I know,
[2:41:13] there's a lot of
places you can develop.
[2:41:14] We're happy that you're
interested in developing here I
[2:41:19] know somebody said
there a couple of years
[2:41:20] said that we've done nothing as
far as developing in the city.
[2:41:24] We have done our pasta lot
of projects in this city
[2:41:27] that has not gone through.
[2:41:29] That's not our fault. You
know, they come to us.
[2:41:33] They said it's the
project we make
[2:41:34] changes like we've
been trying to do
[2:41:35] with you guys and the economy.
[2:41:38] Sometimes does it to them Right
now I know building costs have
[2:41:42] gone up 30, 35%, which is huge.
[2:41:46] So I understand why the
hotel is not going just yet.
[2:41:49] But I talked to
them today and i got
[2:41:52] a little more positive
news that they could
[2:41:54] be happening sooner than later.
[2:41:56] Now.
[2:41:57] And on the drive they're
going to put in commercial
[2:42:01] And I've had people
say before, well, we
[2:42:04] have to do something about
what we drive because there's
[2:42:06] rent spaces everywhere.
[2:42:08] There's not you know, there
could be because of the fact
[2:42:13] that people pay a lot of rent.
[2:42:15] And what matters for
their businesses.
[2:42:17] A lot of rent.
[2:42:18] And somehow I don't know how
some of them actually do it,
[2:42:21] and part of that reason
is people buy the property
[2:42:24] for too much money They think
they're going to make you know,
[2:42:27] a lot of money off of it.
[2:42:29] And they buy it.
[2:42:29] And then they start
telling people,
[2:42:31] now we're going
to raise your rent
[2:42:32] for some of the ones that
grilled cheese on on the drive.
[2:42:36] You know, they moved
out because of the rent.
[2:42:38] And that's not our fault
That's people that buy.
[2:42:42] This is the property.
[2:42:43] And then have to make a profit.
[2:42:45] So they raise it up
so much that they
[2:42:47] cannot survive there So shame on
some of the people that do that.
[2:42:51] This group here, I think you're
a little crazy because Styles,
[2:42:55] I think way before you
were even on there been.
[2:42:57] But bought that property
for a lot less money
[2:43:01] and then they sold it,
sold it to somebody else.
[2:43:02] And then you guys bought in
back for a lot more money
[2:43:07] But the id, the projects that
you want to do here are good.
[2:43:11] I last time you were up here,
I know I called you and said,
[2:43:15] it's not going to work You know
I look at things like I'm living
[2:43:21] where the couriers
live, you know I know
[2:43:24] I bought next to commercial.
[2:43:26] I know eventually
something will be built
[2:43:29] but I still don't want
it affect my my, my style
[2:43:33] any more than it has to.
[2:43:35] And I thank you for sitting
down the last few weeks.
[2:43:39] And I know there's One person
in the front row that's probably
[2:43:42] not very happy at all still
because he wanted the 25ft,
[2:43:45] but i won't mention their name
and won't put it out there.
[2:43:47] But but we've all
come to a consensus
[2:43:51] and I think this project
is going to go through.
[2:43:54] I hope it will And I want all of
you to be back here in the first
[2:43:57] meeting in September, I
guess, is when we'll come
[2:43:59] back or 2nd October
second one and October,
[2:44:07] September September.
[2:44:08] So I thought, you know
1st or 2nd September,
[2:44:11] if you can talk in the
microphone does anybody know who
[2:44:18] it's on when it does
come up When do you
[2:44:22] think it might come back to it?
[2:44:23] Because, I mean, you've got
to make some slight changes
[2:44:26] here and there or
whatever Do you think
[2:44:28] september 22nd would work?
[2:44:30] You have to I, I think I'm going
to have to meet with her burden
[2:44:37] right in the future.
[2:44:38] When you come back for second
reading help all of you
[2:44:41] come back and have
your comments.
[2:44:44] I mean, this is what this
commission has always been.
[2:44:46] It's not about what we want.
[2:44:47] It's about what the
community wants.
[2:44:49] And obviously, it's worked.
[2:44:50] We worked together here
today and and I haven't seen
[2:44:54] me pounding their fist tonight.
[2:44:55] So that's a good thing.
[2:44:57] So i thank all of you
for coming out tonight
[2:44:58] to see what's going on in your
community So with that call,
[2:45:03] a question, please
Commissioner Dami, you Yes.
[2:45:07] Vice Mayor Caputo.
[2:45:08] Yes.
[2:45:09] Commissioner Brockie Yes.
[2:45:11] Commissioner Rowley
Yes Mayor Newark, Yes.
[2:45:15] Good luck.
[2:45:15] We'll see you in a
month We'll take care.
[2:45:23] 32nd break while
they all get out.
[2:45:26] Oh, well, a lot of people.
[2:45:27] Yeah our staff will be left with
a table for the next meeting
[2:45:31] Everything Oh, yeah.
[2:45:35] That will take care if you
just please exit the chamber.
[2:45:42] Please I know you're
going home, but we
[2:45:46] still have business to do here.
[2:45:47] Thank you.
[2:45:47] You All right, stop
hugging and get out.
[2:45:54] Ben.
[2:45:55] Hey, Peloton.
[2:45:56] Let's go Go say hello
outside, please.
[2:45:59] I think I want to make
some meetings, though.
[2:46:01] Yeah, The meeting
is not over yet
[2:46:05] but everything
they care about is.
[2:46:06] Yeah, Everything I care about
is in that I may have to turn
[2:46:12] off the air conditioning.
[2:46:13] You still don't know.
[2:46:27] Where am I?
[2:46:28] Here.
[2:46:28] All right Unfinished
business Leaving
[2:46:31] for an unfinished business.
[2:46:34] Harry.
[2:46:34] None of the one city
manager's report.
[2:46:37] Thank you.
[2:46:38] New business The
bid for process.
[2:46:42] We're getting rid
of that tonight.
[2:46:44] The next three items.
[2:46:45] City manager city
attorney City attorney.
[2:46:49] Yes, sir.
[2:46:50] We got items 13
b, c and the we're
[2:46:55] requesting for or authorization
to in this initiate foreclosure
[2:47:01] actions on three properties.
[2:47:02] I'll go through
them individually
[2:47:05] There's one change to the
last property with one
[2:47:08] of the cases we're not
recommending foreclosure on.
[2:47:11] And I'll get to I'm sorry.
[2:47:15] OK.
[2:47:15] Oh I be surprised.
[2:47:17] Okay One of the cases in the
three case against the property.
[2:47:22] I got it.
[2:47:23] I got it.
[2:47:23] Yeah.
[2:47:24] All right.
[2:47:24] So we're going to start
with property address.
[2:47:26] Two, three, four, Nine.
[2:47:28] Northwest ninth Avenue.
[2:47:30] That's in wilton Manors.
[2:47:32] We've done our due diligence and
read litigation review on that.
[2:47:37] There's one case number
24 hyphen 002952.
[2:47:43] The property is has a lane
approximately in excess
[2:47:54] of $125,000 as of July.
[2:47:59] It's continue doing to rise Let
me make sure that's true that
[2:48:05] that one's not in compliance
all this ready you don't think
[2:48:13] it's not the value
of the property
[2:48:16] according to BCP is $699,000.
[2:48:23] There is a lane recorded by
the city of pompano Beach,
[2:48:28] but the city's lane
will take pro already
[2:48:31] over the Pompano Beach lane.
[2:48:35] Is there any mortgage or loan?
[2:48:37] I'm sorry, mortgage, mortgage
or loan on it There is
[2:48:42] a the property taxes are paid.
[2:48:45] There is um, scheduled just
to make sure before I say yes
[2:48:53] to that all these questions
are going to be asked
[2:48:58] and every one of
you ever come here?
[2:48:59] No, no, I know.
[2:49:02] I just want to be accurate
when I say it there is not So
[2:49:20] we are recommending and
proceeding with the floor
[2:49:24] foreclosure on that.
[2:49:25] Is there a motion, a motion?
[2:49:27] Is there a second Second.
[2:49:29] That's for the 2349
Northwest ninth Avenue.
[2:49:32] What manners properties.
[2:49:33] Correct.
[2:49:34] Any discussion?
[2:49:35] No Got a question,
Commissioner Yes.
[2:49:40] Yes yes, yes yes.
[2:49:46] See 27, 33.
[2:49:48] North Enders Avenue
So the next one is 27.
[2:49:52] 33.
[2:49:53] North Andrews There's two cases
involved in this property.
[2:49:58] We've done our pre
litigation review
[2:50:00] and are recommending that
we proceed with foreclosure
[2:50:05] Our notices were reviewed and
sent properly under chapter 162.
[2:50:11] Additionally, notice was
posted and provide it
[2:50:15] with the proof of
posting through the code
[2:50:18] enforcement process.
[2:50:20] The lane for number one was
recorded back in June of 25
[2:50:27] and the lane number two was
recorded in November of 2025
[2:50:34] The first lane was
at $250 per day.
[2:50:37] It's a proximately
$36,000 outstanding thing.
[2:50:41] And the second lane is
also at $250 per day and is
[2:50:46] at approximately $76,000.
[2:50:50] The property is not exempt.
[2:50:52] The taxes are current.
[2:50:53] The total market
value of that property
[2:50:56] is approximately $687,000.
[2:51:01] There are no superior
interest in this
[2:51:03] and we recommend moving
forward on length.
[2:51:06] One end to right is
our motion for property
[2:51:09] at 2733 North Andrews Avenue.
[2:51:11] A motion.
[2:51:12] Is there a second.
[2:51:13] Second discussion, then call
the question Vice mayor Caputo.
[2:51:17] Yes, Commissioner Rowley.
[2:51:19] Yes.
[2:51:19] Commissioner Rocky
commissioner Dami Neo Yes.
[2:51:22] Amir newton Yes.
[2:51:23] Property located at 36.
[2:51:27] All right.
[2:51:28] This property is the
one I mentioned earlier,
[2:51:31] where recommend moving
forward on two of the lanes
[2:51:36] There's three lanes total
against the property that have
[2:51:39] been recorded Lane One is
valued at approximately $154,000
[2:51:47] in lane three is a value that
approximately 38,000 for lane
[2:51:52] two We are not
recommending moving
[2:51:57] forward with that
due to potential
[2:52:00] issues with the service.
[2:52:03] And it's not needed
for us to move forward.
[2:52:05] We want to make sure we
have the best case possible.
[2:52:08] So we're not recommending
moving forward with that.
[2:52:12] As far as the other two lanes,
the notice was were provided
[2:52:16] consistent with chapter 162.
[2:52:19] I mean, there was
additional service
[2:52:20] by posting city
Hall, an affidavit
[2:52:23] opposing presented to the
magistrate for those two cases.
[2:52:29] Lane one was recorded
on December 9th of 2020.
[2:52:33] For Lane three, he
was recorded in May 7,
[2:52:38] 2026 As I stated
before, the value is 4,
[2:52:43] lane One in lane three are
154,030 8,000, and the property
[2:52:48] is not claimed as exempt.
[2:52:50] The taxes are
current as of 2025.
[2:52:53] The total market value
according to backpay
[2:52:56] is approximate $642,810.
[2:53:03] We have reviewed the report
for the foreclosure There was
[2:53:07] a mortgage recorded before
arlene's by the F h business
[2:53:13] on February Fourth, 2009.
[2:53:16] The principal amount
of that is $75,000.
[2:53:20] There is no other legal
impediments for impediments.
[2:53:23] We're moving forward
with the foreclosure,
[2:53:26] but we must make a decision
And regarding the outstanding
[2:53:29] mortgage and the value, as
I stated as far as equity
[2:53:36] is concern is $567,810.
[2:53:41] Okay, I'm ready to
make a motion on 3061
[2:53:43] Northeast Fourth Avenue manners
excluding the code number two.
[2:53:49] All right Yes,
I'll make a motion.
[2:53:51] You're second.
[2:53:52] Second and any
discussion I do, I
[2:53:54] have a discussion
about the billing
[2:53:57] that you talked about may
not have accurate service.
[2:53:59] So just so I understand, three
lanes, two of services Fine.
[2:54:03] You're recommending moving
forward The third lean
[2:54:07] there may be some
service issues there
[2:54:09] could be a potential defense.
[2:54:12] And it's not needed in order
to foreclose the property
[2:54:16] with the values of
what we're claiming,
[2:54:18] just so that we can eliminate
potential defenses by.
[2:54:23] So we can move forward
just based on the other two
[2:54:26] correct defenses Are we still
able to collect on that other
[2:54:30] lean if there are surplus
funds, are you think
[2:54:33] the whole entire lean is would
be invalid due to the service
[2:54:37] issue I don't think
it's totally invalid,
[2:54:43] but there may be
questions as to that.
[2:54:45] So there may be opportunities
to collect on that.
[2:54:49] But as far as thinking,
if we can collect on it,
[2:54:51] not so much is I
don't want to use
[2:54:53] it for the foreclosure action.
[2:54:54] I don't want to have to
put up valid defenses
[2:54:57] against one claim.
[2:54:58] Right on Lean.
[2:54:59] But I want to if we could
actually still collect on it
[2:55:02] if the money comes in, satisfies
the mortgage and the other liens
[2:55:05] that we have the second lane is
valued at approximately $36,000.
[2:55:11] Yeah, but is saying is
if those are really not
[2:55:13] a lot compared to the other.
[2:55:14] Right.
[2:55:14] Which is why we're not
recommending, you know.
[2:55:17] Okay I could go for apart
part of what makes sense.
[2:55:20] And any other discussion
Good question you're some
[2:55:24] I'm sorry commissioner dami.
[2:55:27] You.
[2:55:28] Yes.
[2:55:28] Vice Mayor Caputo.
[2:55:29] Yes, Commissioner brockie Yes.
[2:55:31] Commissioner Rowley.
[2:55:32] Yes.
[2:55:33] Your Newton?
[2:55:33] Yes.
[2:55:34] Request to fill a full
time customer service.
[2:55:37] We're going to have vacancy
City Manager thank you.
[2:55:41] We're still in the
process of bringing
[2:55:43] back vacancies for commission
approval to fill this position.
[2:55:47] Is the school customer
service representative
[2:55:50] within our Community
Development Services Department
[2:55:52] and it's primarily funded
through the building fund, which
[2:55:57] is generated revenue
through building permit fees
[2:56:01] and we find this to be
in a central position
[2:56:03] and we're asking for approval
fill it So a motion to approve,
[2:56:07] I'll make the motion there.
[2:56:08] Second or second discussion.
[2:56:10] I have just some questions.
[2:56:12] I'm supportive of
this, but in general,
[2:56:14] what are we doing in terms
of potentially a reception
[2:56:20] as to be answering phone calls
or other types of technology
[2:56:24] So these are phone
calls and what else
[2:56:26] are we using technology
for that may be
[2:56:28] able to optimize in the future?
[2:56:30] Sure.
[2:56:31] So for that department
in particular,
[2:56:32] one of the ways we've been able
to curb the growth on staffing
[2:56:37] or keep staffing numbers low
is through online services,
[2:56:42] specifically online permitting.
[2:56:45] For I customer service.
[2:56:48] We're not there yet, but we've
established an A.I. committee
[2:56:52] that has a consultant
working with us to bring
[2:56:55] in more programs like that.
[2:56:57] It's also part of our migration
into the office 365 is building
[2:57:01] out all of our internal
data for a closed system
[2:57:04] and for the
potential of bringing
[2:57:06] in aI assisted customers,
or it's not just want
[2:57:09] to make sure we're using even
like chat bots on the website,
[2:57:13] like simple questions like
sometimes it's hard to navigate
[2:57:16] would be nice if there's any
chat bot to be like, take me
[2:57:18] here and okay, but
let's move forward
[2:57:21] because any discussion
other call the question
[2:57:24] Vice Mayor Caputo Yes.
[2:57:25] Commissioner Rowley Yes.
[2:57:27] Commissioner brockie Yes.
[2:57:28] Commissioner Dami Yes.
[2:57:29] Mayor Newton Yes.
[2:57:30] Rules on agenda packets.
[2:57:33] Mr. That was me very briefly.
[2:57:34] So I know like for
an example tonight we
[2:57:38] had that extra handout I would
like to see if anything is going
[2:57:44] to be added to the dais that
for transparency purposes,
[2:57:48] it's part of the agenda packet.
[2:57:50] I know like at the previous
meeting, Mr. Caputo,
[2:57:52] you provided a useful
tool for residents Never.
[2:57:56] Yeah, they don't
get to see that.
[2:57:57] So if we know we're going to
be doing something like that,
[2:58:00] let's add it to
the agenda packet.
[2:58:02] And then also would be good just
to know we were using yours.
[2:58:05] Halfway through.
[2:58:06] It wasn't provided
by staffs, it was
[2:58:08] sitting It would be good to know
just what's like staff vetted.
[2:58:11] Like if you want to provide
something or you or anyone
[2:58:14] of us do that, that's the
only thing i would just ask
[2:58:16] about Agenda packets
and I would like
[2:58:18] to actually have like tonight.
[2:58:20] I know it was probably late when
you got it, but at least make
[2:58:22] copies for the back.
[2:58:23] So people can have
it You know, it's
[2:58:26] not I hope that was
inadvertently left out.
[2:58:28] I know you didn't do it, right?
[2:58:29] Yeah.
[2:58:29] I wouldn't want to
table the whole things.
[2:58:31] We didn't have that paper.
[2:58:32] But when we know
about something,
[2:58:34] it would be useful to
have it in advance.
[2:58:37] OK.
[2:58:38] Anybody for next meeting to put?
[2:58:39] Yeah.
[2:58:39] Maybe not the next
meeting, but I brought it
[2:58:41] up before noise ordinance or.
[2:58:43] Yes, right.
[2:58:43] Yeah We need to
revisit to ensure.
[2:58:47] Yeah With that.
[2:58:48] Anybody else So I have
something that it.
[2:58:51] It doesn't need to
be next meeting.
[2:58:52] But maybe relevant You
know I, absolutely.
[2:58:55] I did some calculations talked
to developer about the incentive
[2:58:59] like, you know, the
incentives how you get
[2:59:01] to the fifth and sixth story.
[2:59:02] Right.
[2:59:03] And the costs because they
have to do all incentives
[2:59:05] from the calculations that
I've seen and from Roger,
[2:59:08] you know they have some access
to some commercial estimation.
[2:59:11] Everything I do says it.
[2:59:12] It's more expense
They have to actually
[2:59:14] take the incentive Yeah.
[2:59:16] I mean, like in every
in every scenario,
[2:59:17] it was more expensive which
I don't think was our intent.
[2:59:20] So I don't know when
to look at that,
[2:59:21] but I think it's something we
need to look at because it may
[2:59:24] be counter what we intended.
[2:59:25] I think that we talked about
bringing the height back
[2:59:28] for another discussion and I'm
glad you brought that point up
[2:59:31] because i had a same discussion,
similar discussion where
[2:59:34] the developer and we've
made it so restrictive
[2:59:37] that it's not worth
it for us to expense
[2:59:40] when you I'm sorry, when
you say bring the right back
[2:59:43] to incentive, I know we were
talking about the height limits
[2:59:48] overall.
[2:59:49] I know we had a
discussion on it,
[2:59:50] but I don't think we were
referring to finalize it,
[2:59:52] you know, and I believe
it's in the agenda
[2:59:55] It's in the Article 30.
[2:59:56] I thought it pretty
much in Article 30.
[3:00:00] Yeah but we already
talked about it.
[3:00:01] No, no, no, we haven't talked
about it Is there a way?
[3:00:05] And I think you may have brought
it up at a previous meeting
[3:00:09] article 30, we seem to be
talking about different things
[3:00:12] almost every meeting
about Article 30.
[3:00:14] And I think a little
confusing for me.
[3:00:16] I'm sure it's
confusing for them.
[3:00:18] I talked about it
with leanne about,
[3:00:21] you know, they did some
resident engagements and people.
[3:00:27] It's not the same few people
showing up because people
[3:00:29] are worn out when you.
[3:00:30] Charlie she's shaking her head.
[3:00:32] And when you do it
piecemeal, people
[3:00:34] don't understand
like the full effect
[3:00:36] because some of these
changes are going to change
[3:00:38] our city for 30 years.
[3:00:39] Yeah.
[3:00:40] Can we maybe does
at the next meeting.
[3:00:44] But like I have a
workshop, maybe like just
[3:00:47] do it if we need multiple
workshop to do it all at once
[3:00:50] because this piecemeal is it's
just it's tough for people
[3:00:54] to follow what's going on.
[3:00:55] But things change,
though, is the problem.
[3:00:57] You know them in
the middle of it
[3:00:58] and something happens
that just happens.
[3:01:01] But no, it means better.
[3:01:02] We can do that.
[3:01:03] But yeah, because then
you have multiple resident
[3:01:06] workshops where they do
everything all at once.
[3:01:08] They get their
feedback because you
[3:01:09] keep asking people to
come back and look at this
[3:01:11] and look at this.
[3:01:12] And it's great.
[3:01:13] We have a very
committed people here.
[3:01:15] They will come to
every single one.
[3:01:16] But when you get the same 20
people giving the same feedback,
[3:01:20] right?
[3:01:20] It's like, how
effective really is it?
[3:01:22] So just from the resident
fatigue perspective,
[3:01:25] maybe that's can we do that.
[3:01:27] Some just some like a larger
workshop of everything?
[3:01:29] I don't I don't disagree.
[3:01:31] And I appreciate like you know,
for me, though, I didn't I
[3:01:33] didn't know casting numbers
like, you know so it's
[3:01:35] new information for
you that maybe everyone
[3:01:37] else is sort of aware of that.
[3:01:38] But it's coming back anyway,
so maybe we address it.
[3:01:40] Then the only thing I would
say to add to what you said
[3:01:42] is I saw like the transcript
of the developer format
[3:01:45] and some of the notes on that,
and it was a good refresher
[3:01:48] for me because we have some
of the things that were talked
[3:01:50] about there and maybe
we don't want to,
[3:01:52] but also in that developer form,
it was said that we would like
[3:01:55] bring them back and talk to
them about what was proposed
[3:01:58] and I don't know that would
necessarily reengage them to say
[3:02:01] are we missing the mark on this?
[3:02:02] And now that we want
to do everything,
[3:02:03] they want us to
write something up.
[3:02:05] I think we talked
about the developer
[3:02:06] engagement and resident thing.
[3:02:07] Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.
[3:02:09] So it's just hard every meeting.
[3:02:10] And it's probably, I
don't know, for Roberta
[3:02:12] hard for you to write.
[3:02:13] It's like just like the
perpetual never ending Yeah.
[3:02:18] Keeps her busy But
no, we definitely.
[3:02:21] I think we need to
have another charrette
[3:02:23] or whatever to call
it, but the developers
[3:02:25] and, and the residents.
[3:02:27] So they can all listen
to the same time,
[3:02:29] you know, the developer was
awesome because you really
[3:02:32] got to know what they're
their frustrations are coming
[3:02:36] and we'll manage because we
do pass things all the time.
[3:02:38] And then for some reason,
they don't build it
[3:02:41] and, and we're getting blamed
for not building anything,
[3:02:43] but we are passing them.
[3:02:44] OK.
[3:02:45] I think I think our code is
getting a lot closer to where
[3:02:48] we need to be, especially with a
lot of the changes that we had.
[3:02:51] And the part does
work sometimes.
[3:02:53] I mean, look at now I mean,
it took a little work,
[3:02:56] but it did work and some spots.
[3:02:59] I think you do need to
have that as a tool.
[3:03:01] You know.
[3:03:02] But you can even see
in this last proposal.
[3:03:05] What the what the exception
is how small the exception
[3:03:09] is for a project this large.
[3:03:11] If they conform to our new code.
[3:03:13] Yeah.
[3:03:13] So I think that's
just an example that
[3:03:16] shows that i think
we're, we're almost where
[3:03:18] we need to be getting there.
[3:03:19] Yeah.
[3:03:20] And I think in that
workshop, I don't
[3:03:21] know that if it's possible.
[3:03:22] But it would be really nice
if some developers were there
[3:03:26] when also residents are there.
[3:03:27] Because I think, like
when I went back and read
[3:03:29] the transcript,
there are some things
[3:03:31] developers said that I was that
had I not read the transcript, I
[3:03:34] wouldn't have known
like, why they
[3:03:35] explain they need something.
[3:03:36] And when you hear it,
it makes more sense.
[3:03:38] But right now these two parts
like they're not hearing
[3:03:39] what we hear from developers.
[3:03:41] And again, it doesn't
mean developers are right,
[3:03:43] but I think they need that
information to sort of help
[3:03:46] guide them or if it.
[3:03:49] You have it afterwards.
[3:03:50] So are we in agreement?
[3:03:51] Do we want to do
some type of workshop
[3:03:54] or what do we want to do?
[3:03:55] Because you know, we
just we just tabled
[3:03:58] article 30 for the next move.
[3:03:59] But I don't want to put
those code changes off.
[3:04:02] I mean, I think we should
move forward with that.
[3:04:05] And then you know,
go and going forward.
[3:04:08] Yeah.
[3:04:08] Because that's all prepared.
[3:04:10] I mean, the developers
are upset about we,
[3:04:12] but we've, we've already agreed
be a consensus on these changes
[3:04:17] So I don't want to
reinvent the wheel.
[3:04:19] Let's move those which are
already going to be pushed
[3:04:22] forward But I don't disagree.
[3:04:23] I mean, I'm good with going
back for application with our.
[3:04:29] All right.
[3:04:29] All right Okay.
[3:04:30] Yeah.
[3:04:31] All right Well, that
just means adjourned.
[3:04:33] All right.
[3:04:35] Thank you, Quinn You.
[3:04:37] I'm to Dan