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Court order of the September 9th, 2025 meeting of City Council, Brendan, please go the roll.

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Here. Here. Here. Here. Here. Here. Here. Here. Here. Here. Here. Here. Here. We will now recognize him onward silence and rise for the Pledge of Allegiance, led by Vice Mayor Captain.

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I pledge

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allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands.

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One question.

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I'm on the agenda is the approval of minutes.

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I will entertain a motion to approve the minutes from the regular meeting of August 26th and the work session of August 26th.

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Motion to approve.

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Second.

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All those in favor?

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Aye.

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Minutes are approved.

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Well, one recused.

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Thank you.

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The next item when the agenda is the report of the mayor.

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Thank you.

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President Council.

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I have just one thing.

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I do want to acknowledge.

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This is a large turnout.

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The current town battlefield association.

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Thank you for coming out.

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This is a population 25th anniversary of the current town battlefield acquisition.

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We're as a not-for-profit current-style battlefield association, KBA, was formed in 1996 by local

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government officials and concerned citizens to protect the historic, pictured, grand-farm

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site of major civil war engagements from potential development.

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Whereas in 1735, William and Barbara Hogue received the land patent for 411 acres, where they

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all-home, established a farm, and adornated a portion of their land for a church and cemetery.

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They sold a farm to Rees, printed in 1756.

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The printed's later sold a property to James Burton, in 1879, and Mr. Burton sold it to Charles

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Henry Grimm in 1890.

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And whereas, on March 23, 1862, the first battle of current town was fought on this property.

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Though a tactical loss for Confederate General Stonewall Jackson, it became a strategic victory

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when President Lincoln diverted Union troops to the Chando Valley away from Union General

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George McCallon's peninsula campaign.

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And whereas on June 13th, 1863, Confederate General Richard S. E. Well, assaulted Union

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at Partil Realme Pritcher's Hill in an early action

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of the second battle of Winchester, opening in the lower

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Chando Valley for the Confederate Advance

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to the pivotal battle of Gettysburg.

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And whereas on July 24th, 1864, the second battle of Kernstown

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was fought on his same property.

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To future US presidents and a former US vice president

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participated in the battle in its aftermath.

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Marking the last Confederate victory in the Shannon Doe Valley, General Philip Sheridan, was appointed commander of all union forces in the Valley.

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And whereas after four years of meeting, negotiations with the grim trust and family, the Currence Town Battle Field Association secured ownership of the property on September 28, 2000.

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We're as a mission of the Currency Town Battlefield Association is to preserve and interpret

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that the Civil War battlefield and historic farm for the benefit of future generations.

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Now therefore, we resolve that I, less, see each mayor of the city of Winchester, continue

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here by proclaim and recognize the 25th anniversary of this accusation of the Currency Town

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battlefield by the current stand battlefield association.

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Graduation.

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I'll send this to you.

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You don't have to pay the budget.

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Mayor Beach.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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My next item in the agenda is the report of the city manager.

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I'm so full of your mom.

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She is our community.

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German program to know about, is our program, that practice, works with our residents,

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or three different communities of the United States, and they also are involved

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without reach to the homeless population, helps get them into treatments, and off the street,

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so to speak.

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But that's not why Ashley is being nominated, Ashley is being nominated because while she was

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at the Winchester Medical Center, emergency room working with a client.

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A gentleman approached her and said, his wife was in labor outside the hospital.

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While he stayed in the ER to try to get ER staff to help,

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Ashley ran outside and delivered the baby.

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That the three would, without a hitch, thanks to Ashley,

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the baby is an excellent shape.

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There's going to be a story about this in our next WinConnect magazine.

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It comes out in the next few days.

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She's also, oh, there's a picture of the baby, too.

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Now, Ashley's very humble, she said, I didn't do much. I just came. I was out there and it just popped out.

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I think if any of you have had a kid or at least a party to that, you know they don't just pop out.

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It's not like that.

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So, Ashley, obviously, beyond just being a fantastic employee also can say she delivered a baby.

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So, congratulations to Ashley as the employee of the month.

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Finally, as you all know, Thursday is 24th Anniversary of 9-11, and it's our National Day of Service.

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To honor our first responders, Chief Loose in the Police Department, we'll be participating in the National Day of Service event organized by at the end of Huntos.

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It's going to be at on Thursday at the our health green space on North Camus Street at 4 o'clock in the stop-by weekend.

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Thank you. Next time when we agenda our committee chair reports we will start with that committee.

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I have no report this evening. Thank you.

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Oh, I'm sorry I skipped an attorney and apologize.

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No, that's good. I was just adding the National Day of Service to my notes.

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So, Pet met last week. We had a very detailed meeting. There's several things that are on the agenda.

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And including the two subdivision ordinances, and a couple of different zoning requests.

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But we also had a long conversation about the Ward 1 NDD, and that will continue at the end of September.

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Thank you.

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Thank you. Next up, public health and safety.

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Public health and safety meeting will be meeting September 17.

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Thank you.

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Next up is finance. Councillor Bell is not here. Your brief is not at that meeting.

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So I was in attendance, we met the first Tuesday of the month and pretty much everything we discussed

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is on the agenda tonight, so there's no real report in addition to that.

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So that will include Finance Committee report.

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Next up, we would have boards and commissions, more to commissions, we'll be meeting next

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week.

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Next, any strategic planning?

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strategic planning met yesterday. We discussed IT and Parks and Rec goals for the year and also

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our city legislative priorities. Thank you. And finally, school board liaison.

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Thank you. Our school board met last night for a work session and they reviewed a report for the

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Garland quarrels architectural study RFP that was approved in our FY26 budget. They also got the annual

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report of the SOLs, where they compare the affinity data to other schools and divisions that

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are similar to ours, so I would encourage if you have not already, check out that report

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and you see a lot of positive bright spots for our schools.

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Thank you.

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Excellent.

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Thank you.

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The next item when we agenda will be public hearings.

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We have one public hearing this evening that's going to be our 2025-36 resolution approving

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applications to the Virginia Department of Transportation,

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for Transportation, Alternative Funds,

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presented by Councillor Bell, and Perry, ISNOT.

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I want to open the public hearing.

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Is there anyone here that wishes to speak on this matter?

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So you have three minutes.

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Well, close public hearing and turn it over to Perry.

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Oh, there's a public hearing.

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Just hearing, he said.

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No, this is one of the specific issues.

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Thank you, Mr. President.

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I'm joined by Kelly Henshin, too.

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So, she can answer all the hard questions.

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Excuse me, every two years, we can apply to V dot for funding through a program called

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transportation alternatives, and that program has federal dollars in it, which is why we

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have to have this public hearing.

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But this program is geared towards primarily pedestrian and bicycle related improvements.

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such as the green circle trail.

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So in our long term capital improvement plan,

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we have two projects that would qualify

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that we're presenting to you tonight.

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At this point, these are just concepts

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that are concepts we haven't designed them.

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And all we're asking for approval tonight

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is just for authorization to apply for the funding

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to see if we will get the funding.

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So that's really all this is tonight.

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Certainly, if the projects would move forward,

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there would be a lot of discussion on the details of each project.

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There's two projects.

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The first is one of Council's priorities over the past several years

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has been to develop a trail to the north end that would connect to the green circle.

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And after looking at this for multiple years, they're not easy.

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This is not an easy thing.

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And so you have a concept on the shows, the possible.

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All we're talking about tonight is just phase one.

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The other phases of the project, we'll need a lot more discussion work, there's a lot to it.

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But we're just focused on phase one, which would connect to the green circle,

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just south of Larry Drive, at the south end of the park.

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The trail would be under up through Jim Barnett Park, Cross, Cork Street, then it would go through the school campus,

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Daniel Morgan school campus, and then it would connect to mold and drive so that everybody in that neighborhood could get on that trail and safely go down to the Great Circle.

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So that's the first project.

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is a shared use path on Amper Street.

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Currently, the green circle goes down Amper Street.

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But from the stretch from about where the southern state's property is,

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to the first entrance into the Museum of the Chanado Valley,

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where the trail actually comes back in on their property.

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That section trail users have to use the sidewalk, which is very narrow, right next to the street, bicycles have to use the street.

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So we have received numerous comments over the years.

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We would really like to have a separated trail through that stretch.

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And so we have a concept that

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at three lane section of Ampar Street, right now there's one lane

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each direction with the center of the turnway, it would convert that to a two lane section,

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one lane in each direction, and the far southern lane would be raised up, there'd be a curve

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and there would be a separated trail right there.

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Between the trail and the street, there would be plenty of room for trees and above.

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Certainly that may generate some concerns from various folks, but that's what the concept is.

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So we're asking for approval to submit these applications which are due next week.

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And our goal has always been and will continue to be until, unless with your otherwise,

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is to try to maximize the amount of federal and state funds that we can get for our projects.

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So that's what we're trying to accomplish.

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And with that, I'll be having to answer any questions.

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I just want to comment down.

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like the idea of separating the bike and the walkers for safety during that section.

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So, what's the funerable order do you have certain time on get progress completed?

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Once the funds are...

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So for this program, construction has to start within four years, four years. Yes. So it, and that's probably about how long it would take to go through all the federal processes to get to construction.

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Yeah, I'm just, and I mentioned this in the committee meeting,

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plans are not finalized. So it really helps to visualize these kind of things and see a rendering and that type of stuff.

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I was a little concerned that we might take

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anniversary street and make it two lanes just because

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traffic stacking, there's entryways on

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the anniversary streets, you know, there's a lot of it's a busy street

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and it's a concern all around the city where we know the traffic is going to

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increase and we're kind of reducing lanes that people have to

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So when the time comes, that might still be there.

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But sure, I don't know if it will prevent me at this point

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from not trying to seek funds, but I

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reserve kind of the right to bring that up again

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in the future.

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So any additional questions?

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That's what we want.

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Thank you.

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Do you get the latitude, if we are granted the funds,

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to alter these projects as we go?

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They can be altered somewhat, but if it's a big alteration note, it would have to be consistent with this.

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And so do we know how that lane change would affect response times for police, fire?

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Well, what I would say on that is certainly, yeah, when you take away a turning lane that, that's a concern.

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But if you're going to the hospital from downtown, you go to Amherstery, every street that you take to get to Amherstery through downtown is too late.

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But, you know, extradiction, even the first part of Amherstreet, so it's not changing that.

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But I understand it, sir.

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But, you know, obviously emergency vehicles make it through downtown every day.

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Today, you get to the hospital.

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So, you know, I don't see it as a...

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Well, I mean, you get the major impediment that it's always the left-hand terms.

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you know that that that's the pop and I can just envision the only way to be able to make a left hand turn

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is if somebody yields you the right way to make a turn that's how much traffic is on that street

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at certain times a day and with that intersection at right there by Bonnie Blue the fucking little

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trying to think only there it's weird I mean it's it's just it's complicated that intersection

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we're not changing, right, and all of it, but it does, it's another stack and point kind of

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thing, certain times of data, this is not a problem at all. I mean, it's, you know, but

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that's true throughout the city, where it's just peak times where things are really,

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it's true, every city does.

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So, yes, it's a contribution.

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Yeah, I would just add that, first of all, I support both of these concepts, yes, having

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a connection in the North End is something we've talked about for a long time.

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With regards to the Amherst,

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I mean, I think it's just the challenge between living in an

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older town that has limited access to the ability to put this shared path.

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And I've walked on Amherst and it's not,

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I don't feel totally safe.

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And so I think it would be, to be able to,

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I mean, if you have a dog and you're walking

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and you have a strawler, like, oh my goodness,

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it can be a challenge.

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So I mean, I think that I certainly support this,

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if hopefully if the funding, if we get awarded,

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then we get into the details of how to actually make

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happen. I think it wouldn't be a bad thing to kind of slow traffic town to some extent more

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on Amherst because I think, you know, there's already some high speed levels that happen there,

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but I think we've just got to find that balance between how do we create safe bike pedestrian paths

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for people and definitely need something on Amherst because it's, I don't feel safe and I walk quite

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So, this

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is about the funds tonight, when the funds are received, who actually besides

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like where the trail will actually go, like on the north end, where it starts and where it finishes

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or whatever, who designs where it's going to go, how is it, how does it figure it out?

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So, this is just the first phase of the project, so if V dot would approve the funds, then

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and city council wouldn't need to appropriate city

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matching funds before we would start the design.

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And so, at that time, the council could weigh in

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on the actual project itself, but I think for this first phase,

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it's pretty well locked in.

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It's the future phases that really, we need, I think,

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we would go through a big public input process

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where because it's a major, it's a major project

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to accomplish that.

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And so we're going to need to get a lot of public input.

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And this is, that's going to be a long term after.

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Unfortunately, it's not something that's going to happen quickly

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but because there's some big pieces to it.

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For example, getting a bridge over Barryville Avenue or a tunnel under Barryville Avenue is what we would try to achieve.

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That's just, that traffic out there is just, so, so many cars that it's not safe through the cross that street.

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So there's a lot of different components to it.

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Motion to approve.

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Second to begin in a second and submit the application.

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Second.

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Second, a.

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Brendon, please call the roll.

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Yes, yes.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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Pass the.

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Yes.

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Pass the bell.

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Pass the box.

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Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. And that's a crew. Thank you. Thank you all. Next slide, when the agenda are public comments. I have a couple of signed up. We'll call you with order, which is signed up. Remember, you have three minutes.

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And please state your name and address when you approach the podium first up, we have Arthur Christian.

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That's her question.

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I'm a little bit five, twenty three.

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Fair enough.

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Avenue.

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I'm here to not support any more communities because the under 17 crowd period.

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Friday.

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Not one of the previous actually used their free pass to go to school.

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not the one, then went to Walmart, then went to every place else, but the school.

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On Friday, Tuesday, after the finance committee, I was unable to catch her high

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because again, the free 17 and under were holding up the buses and I could not get her out of

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for over an hour. That was, again, we have to stop to stop to the freebies for the

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17 and under power.

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There's a misconception that it's costing the people on extra money

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on a good isn't because in fact all these people that will get freebies, their parents actually get

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So they are getting, they are getting, they are writing, they are getting double free

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be there.

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So they need to, you need to put a stop to it, but right now, making the people who have

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paid for the rise feel like second-class citizens, and we have to wait anywhere from

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for a minute to an hour to get a ride. Meanwhile, they seem to get instantaneous pickup.

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This is just not a fair thing. We need to put a stop to it.

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Thank you. Next up I have just the first thing that looks like Lisa.

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Yes? Yes. Please take your name and address and you have three minutes.

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I just want to say that this is not live in war, in war, in war, in war, and I just want

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to give a comment to the committee about last week there was issues that were raised and it

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was nice to see that you all were concerned about the issues of Winchester, not just making

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Manchester beautiful, making Winchester bigger and better, but Winchester is made of people, of course.

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And so if we don't meet the needs of the people, what good are we?

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So I just want to thank you for bringing up the issues that concern the people of Winchester,

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Like the homelessness, the illiteracy of child care people that need housing.

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I just wanted to thank you all for bringing up those issues and, like I said, it's not

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all about making a winch has to be in better and beautiful.

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Thank you.

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It's person, I'm not going to try the last name, the first name is Kara,

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telling issue, I think.

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I think it's okay.

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I'm wearing it, yeah.

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I just got the way to train there in this place.

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Because of the person in the Canadian,

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it's a bi-z rating period.

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I got here, kind of firsthand, and you said.

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I guess the only thing that I would say for it is,

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you know, the necessary necessary.

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If you could please still lay it for as long as possible

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because I think that that group would type off 15 people.

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You guys got this exact for it.

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everybody had pretty much, you know, I really was against the increase but for very different reasons based on kind of their life experience and they're used to it.

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And from my perspective, I use it as much as I can.

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I stopped for a little while because there were some real hiccups with the technology and I know that those are being worked through and I appreciate the whole team that's been doing that because it is getting better and better.

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But I feel like there's still some things to work through and it may not feel like it to this group

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But it does feel like there's a lot of very quick change to the people who are using it

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Just as far as like their ability to learn this system and how it works and how they can actually integrate it into their lives

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That takes a long time like I was getting around this way, but now I'm using this new system

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And it may not seem like it but that kind of thing does take a long time to kind of get integrated for people

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And I feel like a lot of the people who use it regularly kind of feel like they're being kicked while they're down because they had to fight so hard for the loop route to stay and the reason they might perspective they were fighting so hard for the loop route was because there were so many technology issues with the new system even if they had to wait an hour for the loop route they at least knew it was coming and so you know I just think that let's keep a good thing going and let's keep making these improvements slowly over time and then maybe next year really look at the increase

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It's hard to even say this because it sounds ridiculous, but it's not that much compared

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to certain other things, especially because this is such a heavily subsidized system anyway.

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When I ride and I ride for fun, the city pays a little bit so that I can ride down to the

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park with my kids.

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And then the only other thing I would say is people who be alert have a burden to vote on things that they may not ever have the privilege of being deeply familiar with with their lives.

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You know politicians have to vote on big systems that maybe they don't actually take advantage of.

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And I'm sympathetic to that burden.

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This is one of those that you, as a citizen,

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if you have it taken this transportation system,

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I would really encourage you to do so.

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I would encourage you to spend a week where you rely on it

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and you take it to council meetings and you take it home.

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It's really great.

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It works really well.

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And I would love for you guys to see that firsthand,

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but also for you to see kind of when it doesn't work

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and how kind of awful that is.

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So, all right, that's all I have to say about that.

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Thank you.

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The next person is Mike Jenkins.

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Hello everybody, I'm Mike Jenkins, 337 of every you have new. I was here at the 26th of all on the last meeting. I had issues with neighbors, with trash, couches, one side of all of those issues like that.

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I want to give a shout to Kent. He is stating contact with me. He seems like he really cares. The inspections department I've dealt with, not so much.

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The inspector I've dealt with for two months, on Thursday after the meeting, the 28th of August,

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my neighbor took the whole front clip off, the card later in the front yard.

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It's not to the picture, I haven't sent it to him, and my response to that guy was,

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okay, thank you, and we recently switched words.

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We'll have to speak at least the Jackson.

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I said, well, I was just at a city council meeting, why wasn't that communicated?

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He said, I don't know what just happened,

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and so what's going to happen with the open cases,

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and I think it response for seven days.

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Seven days later, I got a response, I will still follow up on the cases.

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Talk to Alfredo from zoning.

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He didn't really seem too concerned.

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He said, there's a process, I understand it's a process, and then it's part of why I'm here.

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It doesn't work.

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And I'm here to help.

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Anything I could do to help, I mean taking pictures to address is the issues,

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the citizens of the inspector doesn't seem to be working,

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I understand it, but when somebody from Zoninge tells me,

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I said if this, the couch that was on Virginia Avenue across from the school,

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it was there for eight days after the meeting and finally moved it.

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Somebody.

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When Alfredo told me, I said if it was on Washington Street or Stewart Street,

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It would have been gone in a day, he said, you're probably right most of the people in that area on their house and don't rent it.

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So the city of Winchester might want to look into, you know, having some of these people take a class of ethics

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because that's totally unacceptable. My house was bought paid for about a time I was 40 years old.

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And if it's the issue with people rent, then the city needs to do a better job on the inspections of people rent in these houses and not have slum lords of rent in Winchester.

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But again, thank you very much, thank you for your help.

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He seems like he really cares, it's not even really his saying box, but which has

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released to be better than that.

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And I, as the name of the 16 years old, in 173, the victors of their whole life, I said

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we don't go to the city council meeting, and they said to me, you're wasting your time.

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So true of false, that's the perception that you all have, so I hope you all can change it.

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that's the perception of lifelong people here.

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That's all I have.

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Thank you.

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Is there anyone else that, like, speak?

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I'm a state of need and trust.

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I have three minutes.

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Hi, my name is Claire Conner, and I'm from Berryville, Virginia.

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However, I'm speaking about my case,

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that was overturned the town of Winchester.

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I don't know if you all are aware,

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but there was a situation that aroused in the public eye of our community

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and our surrounding communities this past weekend.

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The same thing that I exposed on April 16th of this past year

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brought to my attention in a news article. A well-known CPS worker from Clark County,

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well, whether currently employed or not got busted for operating an annual manufacturing

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and meth lab in his garage in his home in Jared's town West Virginia. The same thing that got

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brought to the public eye in a news article this weekend is the same thing that I got reprimanded

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for in silence by when I was trying to bring awareness to this matter, not only by DSS and CPS,

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but my attorney at the time, Dev and Humphrey's with Buck Bower and McGuire. Dev and Humphrey

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start me and said she would no longer represent me if I did not take not only that post-down

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exposing Toby Austin but also others posts on my private page like asking for prayer during

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prayers for during my time of court. After this exposure came to my attention over the weekend

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of course everyone around the areas speaking out on their own situations with him. One in which

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shattered my heart more than any other. A mom named Tiffany Lens comments where I immediately

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sent me. Her son passed away during the time of having Toby Austin as her case worker

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winning Clark County. Of course we got in contact over the course of all of this and she

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tells me the whole story. Her son wasn't just killed because of a CPS and DSS placement into

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an abusive home. They were fully aware of it and not just DSS and CPS's office but the police

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department in Clark County. We're also very aware of it after multiple times of her reporting

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the abuse. Her son Talon died while on the care of a DSS and CPS placement and they were

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fully aware of the abuse going on. Just like all these placements in Winchester and all over

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this area. And yes, this mom is willing to share her story and start her fight against all of

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this, but let's just be honest, no matter how hard she fights, no matter how many rolls she gets,

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she's never going to get her kit back. CPS is supposed to be protecting kids and they are literally

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putting kids in abusive situations. They are supposed to be saving them from. You guys are fully

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aware of what's going on in this town and you can't keep walking around with a preconception

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that we're just trying to cause issues.

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We have given you black and white facts and you still choose to walk around and do absolutely

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nothing about it just like CPS and the courts still.

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As I said in the beginning of my speech I've been speaking here in multiple other families

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have as well since March 25th.

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We have invited you guys to multiple events and not single one of you have shown up, but I

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personally know from the last one you guys were also some of you told personally not to come

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because there was nothing you guys could do to change it anyways.

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A few months back, one of the lawyers in our area, Jonathan Solvester posted on Facebook about his garden flooded,

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and the next day, less was there with a shovel.

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He's our mayor.

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We may not have money to give you guys.

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We may not have titles like lawyers in this town,

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but I wanted to remind you that this town and these people in it are who place you guys in these seats.

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You may not be able to change any of the disgrace and disgusting criminal activity that DSS is doing,

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but showing up for these families is what matters.

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That's your time.

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I'm gonna dress up for a minute.

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My name's Diana Dettamura.

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I was at 5.17, Monticello.

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I'm just gonna be finishing Ms. Conor's speech for her.

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You all may not be able to change any of this,

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this graceful and disgusting criminal activity

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that CPS and DSS are participating in,

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but you all can show up and show up and show a support for you.

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Because I know most of you have kids and grandkids as well.

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These families need you guys

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and if it's just showing up,

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you're placing these seats for a reason,

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and it's your job to know every minimum detail

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of what's going on in this test.

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Even if you can't change the corruption,

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you should be fully aware about it, at least thinking some noise in my opinion.

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But we're used to people saying pretty silent when the corruption is exposed, especially when certain people are involved in people, other people find out.

449
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:12,120
I'll just be honest, anybody that doesn't support what we're doing to help these families are just as bad as the problem.

450
00:37:14,020 --> 00:37:22,400
With all that being said, we'd like to publicly invite you all to, once again, to our next event hosted by Tiffy and Claire, who,

451
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:25,280
and Claire who was our local advocate here in Winchester.

452
00:37:25,720 --> 00:37:29,600
The events called Green Families together and it will be at the Haley Library on September 12th.

453
00:37:30,820 --> 00:37:37,760
The morning's trial passed away in the placement, with Toby Austin as the case where we'll also be there.

454
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:40,620
So we are hoping you guys will show up this time, like, let's show it up for Donut.

455
00:37:40,780 --> 00:37:43,740
And even if it's just for support, thank you so much for being able to be able to be.

456
00:37:47,010 --> 00:37:49,430
So you're getting more and also, like, speak during public comments.

457
00:37:56,090 --> 00:37:58,530
I will close the public comment section of the meeting.

458
00:37:59,650 --> 00:38:01,630
The next line of the meeting agenda is the consent agenda.

459
00:38:02,030 --> 00:38:05,190
Does there any member that would like to remove this item from the consent agenda?

460
00:38:07,130 --> 00:38:07,810
You're in no one.

461
00:38:08,010 --> 00:38:10,150
I will entertain a motion to approve consent agenda.

462
00:38:10,150 --> 00:38:11,650
Motion to approve.

463
00:38:12,190 --> 00:38:12,350
Second.

464
00:38:13,230 --> 00:38:13,410
Second.

465
00:38:14,010 --> 00:38:14,730
All of us in favor?

466
00:38:14,970 --> 00:38:15,430
Aye.

467
00:38:16,490 --> 00:38:16,790
That.

468
00:38:18,010 --> 00:38:18,910
The gender item is approved.

469
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:24,000
Regular agenda.

470
00:38:25,540 --> 00:38:30,520
The first item on the regular agenda is R-25-3-3-3.

471
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:34,020
Resolution-approving increases to fares for Winchester Transants Services,

472
00:38:34,020 --> 00:38:35,620
presented by Councilwoman Bell.

473
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:36,900
And here it is.

474
00:38:40,930 --> 00:38:42,070
Thank you, Mr. President.

475
00:38:42,070 --> 00:38:48,710
I'm so joined tonight by Kenny Johnson, who's our transit operations manager, and like Kelly,

476
00:38:48,990 --> 00:38:50,350
he's here to answer the hard questions.

477
00:38:52,630 --> 00:38:56,970
So this process started a while ago.

478
00:38:58,790 --> 00:39:03,530
Council may recall that earlier this year, you made some, you approved some changes to

479
00:39:03,530 --> 00:39:09,150
Winchester Transit Service, where we did keep one bus operating on the loop route.

480
00:39:09,150 --> 00:39:18,610
And because of that, the current FY26 budget had already been approved, which meant that there

481
00:39:18,610 --> 00:39:23,030
could be a shortfall of about $30,000 this year.

482
00:39:23,510 --> 00:39:30,310
We don't know if it's going to be that much, if there may not be a shortfall depending on what

483
00:39:32,070 --> 00:39:40,570
So at that time, Council directed us to look at possible ferry increases.

484
00:39:42,290 --> 00:39:45,690
So that is what is in front of you tonight.

485
00:39:51,250 --> 00:39:57,930
First went to the Finance Committee with this proposal that would increase the loop route

486
00:39:57,930 --> 00:40:08,330
fair from a dollar to a dollar fifty. It would increase the overall rich route from two dollars to three dollars and it would increase

487
00:40:08,330 --> 00:40:17,770
when ready from a dollar fifty to two dollars. So finance committee gave us the direction to go out for a 30 day public comment period,

488
00:40:17,990 --> 00:40:27,750
which we did. We received a lot of comments. Those are in your packet. The majority of comments were not

489
00:40:27,750 --> 00:40:34,650
favor of raising the fairs at all, and so then we came back to the finance committee, the

490
00:40:34,650 --> 00:40:35,310
last meeting,

491
00:40:38,010 --> 00:40:43,430
and the committee made a recommendation to forward to full council, with

492
00:40:43,430 --> 00:40:50,970
the recommendation for approval, with an implementation date of July 1st, 2026.

493
00:40:55,170 --> 00:40:56,230
So, these

494
00:40:56,230 --> 00:41:04,060
the fair increases would not go into effect until then. So that's where we're at, but this is

495
00:41:04,970 --> 00:41:11,750
completely discretionary and up to you all to make the decision. I'm happy to answer any questions.

496
00:41:13,750 --> 00:41:14,270
That's one of the questions.

497
00:41:16,630 --> 00:41:17,690
I have a question, yes.

498
00:41:18,110 --> 00:41:27,730
Perry, can you remind me when was the last time the fairs were changed? So during COVID, there were

499
00:41:27,730 --> 00:41:36,910
fairs. And then we implemented fairs once when ready started. So they were increased when

500
00:41:37,910 --> 00:41:40,850
fairs started again after COVID. Yes.

501
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:50,500
Okay. I guess, Councillor Bonds. About the riders that get the

502
00:41:50,500 --> 00:41:57,440
free ride under 18 years old, can you just explain that to me please? Sure, so if you're under 17,

503
00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:06,740
we do not charge and Kenny has put some numbers together here. So during the month of July

504
00:42:06,740 --> 00:42:18,960
there were a total of 1,929 free rides, 17 under. In August that number dropped a little bit.

505
00:42:19,140 --> 00:42:24,500
I think because school started there were 1,765.

506
00:42:25,540 --> 00:42:30,720
So there, it definitely gets used by the youth in the community.

507
00:42:38,330 --> 00:42:39,890
That was my question too.

508
00:42:39,970 --> 00:42:42,630
I went to follow up on what Councillor Fox said.

509
00:42:42,950 --> 00:42:49,090
Has there ever been any discussion that we've had on looking at the charge for 17?

510
00:42:50,770 --> 00:42:51,430
Will it win?

511
00:42:51,430 --> 00:42:57,240
And is there any history as to the reason why proposed that?

512
00:42:57,240 --> 00:43:25,440
So it was discussed back when the fairs were first implemented before when ready started and I think that the thought was that to keep it free for students, if they are writing to school or you to write for school related issue, I think that and Dan maybe you want to chime in a little bit.

513
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:35,040
Perry's right, the only other reason we didn't want to keep families if you're going to the grocery store and you've got two kids.

514
00:43:35,620 --> 00:43:42,500
We didn't want to make a further ahead of him to, you know, a single mom taking two kids to the grocery store.

515
00:43:42,980 --> 00:43:47,760
So that was another one of the reasons behind it was not to dissuade families.

516
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:48,300
way

517
00:43:57,170 --> 00:44:01,410
we're determining youth for the purposes of this calculation as 12 to 17.

518
00:44:03,590 --> 00:44:07,370
So, the free part is if you're under 17.

519
00:44:09,250 --> 00:44:14,770
If you're, you can be unaccompanied if you're 12 to 17.

520
00:44:14,770 --> 00:44:15,590
If you're 12 to 17.

521
00:44:15,610 --> 00:44:15,790
If you're 12 to 17.

522
00:44:17,790 --> 00:44:18,430
Correct.

523
00:44:19,650 --> 00:44:24,370
On any service, you have to be 12 or over to ride solo.

524
00:44:24,370 --> 00:44:33,170
Otherwise you have to be a company, and to be a company, you have to be over 70, you can't be 16, and then have three matters with you.

525
00:44:33,590 --> 00:44:36,450
Anyone riding without a pain at dawn has to be 12-year-old.

526
00:44:37,190 --> 00:44:38,690
Right, so

527
00:44:42,370 --> 00:44:48,710
some spirits when I, before I had a license, and was, you know what that 12-year-old range had to get to school.

528
00:44:51,510 --> 00:44:55,910
Once you got to high school, you had to find your own right school.

529
00:44:56,450 --> 00:44:58,350
You either got parents to take you, you either got.

530
00:45:00,530 --> 00:45:27,490
A right on the city bus, which is what we're talking about. You had to pay the fair. And I think there's a ballot point for considering at least something for somebody that's 12, 17. It goes back to my theory that I've mentioned before about things that have no cost, have no value. And it's getting abused. I'm not saying that's a case here. But

531
00:45:32,130 --> 00:45:35,150
it's just where I'm at, but I mean, I think it did. I think it did. I think it did. I think it did.

532
00:45:35,150 --> 00:45:41,150
I think it's fair point frankly that, you know, they try that and cover the cost when I

533
00:45:41,150 --> 00:45:46,930
find a make profit that's never been the drive issue, but it has been to, I think, cover

534
00:45:46,930 --> 00:45:47,510
cost.

535
00:45:48,210 --> 00:45:53,130
One question you asked if I could get the numbers for the destination to and from, I was able

536
00:45:53,130 --> 00:45:57,510
to actually pull that, pull just in the two weeks, this school has been back in August

537
00:45:57,510 --> 00:46:03,870
12th to August 29th and the percentage of the free rides going to John Haley is 25% of

538
00:46:03,870 --> 00:46:09,150
and 7% of the rise of one-to-one-to-one, the other percent, outside of that

539
00:46:09,150 --> 00:46:11,310
we're going to do any other locations outside of the school.

540
00:46:12,530 --> 00:46:15,550
So are those cases missing the boss or they are a different schedule?

541
00:46:15,730 --> 00:46:22,390
We have no idea, we don't really know, okay, and we might never know, it's, yeah.

542
00:46:23,010 --> 00:46:25,870
So that's a consideration too, I mean, they're, yes, you know, it's a boss.

543
00:46:26,790 --> 00:46:31,530
Well, but weekends could that be a separate issue unto itself, because we don't have school.

544
00:46:31,530 --> 00:46:33,870
I mean, obviously, we want kids to make the school.

545
00:46:34,370 --> 00:46:38,170
I think we want it to be fair, but I also agree with what

546
00:46:38,170 --> 00:46:41,870
President, so when it's saying that there is a value to

547
00:46:41,870 --> 00:46:44,850
this service and that I mean, this is a thing where it is

548
00:46:44,850 --> 00:46:48,250
literally niggles and dimes we're talking about for this amount.

549
00:46:48,830 --> 00:46:52,410
So perhaps are there things on the weekends where they're

550
00:46:52,410 --> 00:46:55,230
to pay a small nominal amount for this?

551
00:46:55,890 --> 00:46:56,830
That's possible.

552
00:46:57,150 --> 00:46:59,210
That's completely at council's discretion.

553
00:47:06,510 --> 00:47:19,190
I don't know if it can be figured out, but Ryan is who on a school bus is considered as a privilege, and a lot of these students, and I've seen it myself while I'm driving my bus.

554
00:47:19,790 --> 00:47:27,090
If these students have been suspended off the school bus, they shouldn't be allowed to ride the transit bus for free or anything

555
00:47:27,090 --> 00:47:28,290
in the other reason.

556
00:47:29,290 --> 00:47:34,750
So I think some of those percentages, as far as like the kids from Daniel Morgan and even the handling,

557
00:47:35,370 --> 00:47:36,750
they can't get on the school bus.

558
00:47:37,110 --> 00:47:41,250
Yes, they should go to school, but if you've been kicked off the school bus for whatever reason,

559
00:47:42,170 --> 00:47:47,210
I don't just my opinion, I don't feel that you should be able to ride the transit bus to school.

560
00:47:47,210 --> 00:47:56,490
Now, how that could be figured out, I don't even know if it could be, but I'm pretty sure some of this percentage is from kids that can't ride to school bus,

561
00:47:56,890 --> 00:48:00,030
to school, because they've been suspended off the bus.

562
00:48:04,720 --> 00:48:13,920
I think, I don't know, you know, I have the joy of working the weapons detector at the Shahada Innovation Center.

563
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:18,680
And I do see a couple kids on a regular basis

564
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:20,780
using the bus for transportation.

565
00:48:21,700 --> 00:48:24,580
And these aren't necessarily, some of the kids

566
00:48:24,580 --> 00:48:25,980
in Councillor Sloan might have been talking

567
00:48:25,980 --> 00:48:28,220
about who might have been kicked off the bus.

568
00:48:28,500 --> 00:48:33,840
I do know that there are some, I've heard from some folks

569
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:37,140
who say that there are kids who, like,

570
00:48:37,140 --> 00:48:41,260
let's say, a 17-year-old who signs up for the bus.

571
00:48:41,260 --> 00:48:43,260
the bus does not show up.

572
00:48:44,100 --> 00:48:48,420
The bus that is diverted away from, you know, some folks who might need it.

573
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:52,220
Do we have any, you know, data on that type of situation?

574
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:56,340
So we do track what we call have shows or late cancellations.

575
00:48:57,020 --> 00:48:58,660
And that's across the board for any riders.

576
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:00,760
Those numbers have fallen down.

577
00:49:01,220 --> 00:49:04,980
I wouldn't say the under 17 is a glaring, a user of that.

578
00:49:05,240 --> 00:49:07,960
It's a low number considering the number of riders we do a month.

579
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:13,300
But if you're correct, if a bus is in route, 10 or 15 minutes drive to get someone,

580
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:17,100
then if they don't show or cancel, then it's another 10 or 15 minutes that gets to the next

581
00:49:17,100 --> 00:49:20,880
route, or they could essentially block two or three rides within that half hour block,

582
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:24,900
or someone that doesn't complete their route reservation.

583
00:49:25,700 --> 00:49:30,600
And you know, I do know, I have listened to some concerns.

584
00:49:30,900 --> 00:49:35,140
I look at the additional revenue for the city.

585
00:49:36,700 --> 00:49:41,740
I mean, I don't know, this is something to be honest with you, I'm still struggling with

586
00:49:41,740 --> 00:49:42,520
a bit.

587
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:47,540
You know, if someone is struggling to make ends meet, if we're reducing their fairbite, what

588
00:49:47,540 --> 00:49:51,920
from a dollar to a dollar fifty, that could be a big deal.

589
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:58,860
And if we were to charge a family of four to use that, you know, and do the math, it starts

590
00:49:58,860 --> 00:50:01,160
to become fairly costly.

591
00:50:02,240 --> 00:50:10,680
You know, so I'm not necessarily right now I'm not necessarily in support of raising

592
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:15,040
the fairs.

593
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:16,620
I'm just swear I am right now.

594
00:50:19,770 --> 00:50:20,630
Yeah, just quick question.

595
00:50:20,910 --> 00:50:25,870
We were talking about the ridership under 17, just off top of the head, what percentage

596
00:50:25,870 --> 00:50:28,550
of the total ridership is that?

597
00:50:29,270 --> 00:50:34,010
So each month we were going around 7,000 rides, so August was 17,000.

598
00:50:35,750 --> 00:50:40,510
So 2,000 out of 7,000, probably for the month or more.

599
00:50:44,990 --> 00:50:48,450
Well, this has come a long way since I gave you all a hard time at PED.

600
00:50:48,890 --> 00:50:50,190
So thank you.

601
00:50:50,870 --> 00:50:52,470
I still have a couple of questions.

602
00:50:53,510 --> 00:50:56,250
He talked about the nose shows and this came up in our discussion at PED.

603
00:50:56,450 --> 00:50:57,890
Are they charged to fear?

604
00:50:58,070 --> 00:50:59,570
Is that something that we can consider?

605
00:51:01,230 --> 00:51:03,910
I think we could consider doing that.

606
00:51:03,910 --> 00:51:31,890
I will say that the majority of our riders are pay cash, so that's more difficult, but it's something we can look at and we're also looking at possibly implementing a policy where if you're a no-show twice that we block your account until you prove to us that you are, you know, that you can come back.

607
00:51:31,890 --> 00:51:36,930
Can your account like keep a red balance like you've no show of you owe a dollar so when you get on it?

608
00:51:38,390 --> 00:51:40,210
It might be able to do that.

609
00:51:41,690 --> 00:51:42,750
I don't want to say it for sure.

610
00:51:43,430 --> 00:51:46,050
I thought it could be a lot of disputing that because

611
00:51:46,830 --> 00:51:50,670
If you know what the app, they could claim we're early late and I have the right location.

612
00:51:51,070 --> 00:51:52,970
And then you're going through every case.

613
00:51:53,030 --> 00:51:54,890
You know, we're not about to ride or someone disputing that.

614
00:51:56,530 --> 00:51:57,250
But something like another.

615
00:51:57,850 --> 00:51:58,770
Yeah, there's no perfect.

616
00:51:58,950 --> 00:52:00,630
The other question I have is,

617
00:52:00,630 --> 00:52:04,010
I appreciate Mr. Hoffman's point about, you know, you're

618
00:52:04,010 --> 00:52:06,790
hopping on with your kids and each one of them costs.

619
00:52:07,250 --> 00:52:10,330
Can is there a consideration to look at pay by ride, you know,

620
00:52:10,450 --> 00:52:14,850
mom with three kids or they're, you know, under the age of 12.

621
00:52:15,110 --> 00:52:16,050
That's one cost.

622
00:52:17,610 --> 00:52:20,330
You, you could, that could be part of the fee structure.

623
00:52:20,450 --> 00:52:23,530
If, if Council would so desire that.

624
00:52:23,630 --> 00:52:27,330
When you're looking on the, on looking on the half or by hand,

625
00:52:27,330 --> 00:52:29,790
It has to go down to the riders account, but then anyone.

626
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:43,000
The last ones, or whatever category they fall, and we could arrange a fee for any of those categories of category that's under 17, under 12, they could be shown up as free and wouldn't add to the cost of the ride.

627
00:52:43,580 --> 00:52:57,540
I have one more question. And then I'll let you out of the hot seat. So you know the cost per ride? Like when you look at other localities, they can say, you know, this person hopping on the bus pays a dollar, but it costs the city x, y or z.

628
00:52:58,220 --> 00:53:06,740
off the top of my head, I don't have that, but we could get the shit that, well, I don't have that meaning that we're running a little short, so.

629
00:53:07,180 --> 00:53:07,820
It was that.

630
00:53:08,460 --> 00:53:09,120
Sorry, I don't know.

631
00:53:09,300 --> 00:53:10,940
It was in the packet.

632
00:53:11,380 --> 00:53:12,920
I'll send that out tonight.

633
00:53:13,260 --> 00:53:16,740
It was in when we initially implemented the system.

634
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:20,300
We had the cost per ride and split between what?

635
00:53:20,420 --> 00:53:22,500
It's covered by the feds and what's covered by the city.

636
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:24,540
So I'll just need to...

637
00:53:24,540 --> 00:53:27,700
They said they don't just have it at the figure terms, like I said it on the other side.

638
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:36,880
So I'll just point out what's proposed tonight would not go into fact until next year.

639
00:53:37,100 --> 00:53:39,620
Based on the recommendation from the finance.

640
00:53:40,100 --> 00:53:42,820
Yes, I came out of finance where this doesn't, this is not immediate.

641
00:53:43,660 --> 00:53:47,480
That is not going to affect until next year.

642
00:53:48,300 --> 00:53:49,420
Next fiscal year.

643
00:53:50,240 --> 00:53:50,340
Okay.

644
00:53:50,340 --> 00:53:52,720
So that's July and one of the next years that we're looking at.

645
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:58,640
So folks, we wanted to give them a plenty of time to adjust to the changes in the

646
00:53:58,640 --> 00:53:59,360
fee structure.

647
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:03,780
Whatever comes out tonight,

648
00:54:06,260 --> 00:54:08,720
it seems to me like we still have some time to tweak this

649
00:54:08,720 --> 00:54:16,860
sort of a bit to maybe do what you were mentioning with the app to include, you know, the

650
00:54:16,860 --> 00:54:18,180
free kid kind of thing.

651
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:24,280
So if we do that, we would need to go back out for 30-day COVID-19.

652
00:54:24,420 --> 00:54:27,440
Okay, so every time this is one of these deals where it's got to be advertised.

653
00:54:28,100 --> 00:54:28,180
Yes.

654
00:54:28,180 --> 00:54:32,500
Any time you change a fair or increase a fair persona line?

655
00:54:32,940 --> 00:54:39,420
I mean, could we add a fair for 12-17 tonight, even though we would have an advertising?

656
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:43,020
That would need a 30-day COVID-19.

657
00:54:43,660 --> 00:54:45,560
Okay, so let's separate those two issues.

658
00:54:45,700 --> 00:54:45,880
Yes.

659
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:53,620
I would, and I pay to do this, but I would almost, maybe make a motion to table this,

660
00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:58,400
because I think if we can get some of the sufficient information and,

661
00:55:00,610 --> 00:55:02,230
you know, we do have a time.

662
00:55:02,570 --> 00:55:10,350
It's not going to be implemented until 2026, so it's not, you know, we're, we have to apply to some grand or something like that.

663
00:55:10,630 --> 00:55:13,550
So I mean, that's what I would do.

664
00:55:14,350 --> 00:55:16,110
I mean, I'd be happy to make that motion.

665
00:55:18,190 --> 00:55:26,240
comment. Well I think so let me make a motion kind of make a motion to

666
00:55:26,240 --> 00:55:32,320
table and then we need a second. Second there's a motion and a second to take all those

667
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:42,260
favor. Well let me comment on that. I was going to take a straw pole to see if there's any

668
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:49,720
if the body would consider a fee for the 12 17 year olds. I am the payer that.

669
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:57,740
We got one, two, three, four, five, that's five, Bell's absent, so that we still

670
00:55:57,740 --> 00:55:59,300
wouldn't be still having a problem with you working.

671
00:56:00,260 --> 00:56:00,260
So

672
00:56:02,380 --> 00:56:05,720
with that being said, if we bring something back, I would like to see that included.

673
00:56:06,720 --> 00:56:11,020
So there was a motion to table, there was a second, all of us in favor of table in

674
00:56:11,020 --> 00:56:12,740
please say aye.

675
00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:13,520
Aye.

676
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:14,020
Aye.

677
00:56:14,020 --> 00:56:15,060
Motion to.

678
00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:15,440
Thank you.

679
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:16,020
Aye.

680
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:16,860
Aye.

681
00:56:16,860 --> 00:56:16,940
Aye.

682
00:56:17,180 --> 00:56:17,340
Okay.

683
00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:19,060
Okay.

684
00:56:19,060 --> 00:56:19,700
You know what I'm saying?

685
00:56:19,740 --> 00:56:21,640
Do you need a date that has come back?

686
00:56:21,940 --> 00:56:22,120
Did you?

687
00:56:23,080 --> 00:56:23,260
Yeah.

688
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:25,440
I'll continue to continue to date.

689
00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:26,140
Yeah.

690
00:56:28,420 --> 00:56:28,500
Okay.

691
00:56:28,500 --> 00:56:29,060
The next one.

692
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:30,140
Thank you.

693
00:56:32,020 --> 00:56:32,540
Next item.

694
00:56:32,940 --> 00:56:42,100
12.2 is our 2025-35 resolution approving applications to Virginia Department of Transportation for revenue-sharing funds for transportation projects.

695
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:44,900
Set the presented by Councillor Bell and Perry Eisenach.

696
00:56:46,220 --> 00:56:47,780
And what's again, Kelly's here?

697
00:56:47,780 --> 00:56:48,760
for the hard question.

698
00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:58,260
So this is a different funding source that V.H. has, it's called Revenge Shared.

699
00:57:00,220 --> 00:57:02,700
It's really, these are state funds.

700
00:57:02,900 --> 00:57:07,560
They're not federal funds, and it's really a 50-50 match.

701
00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:11,600
So for every dollar, the city gets from V.H.

702
00:57:11,660 --> 00:57:13,500
We have to match that with the dollar.

703
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:21,220
We have always thought that this is the best program that B.D. has because once you have

704
00:57:21,220 --> 00:57:27,140
federal money, there's a lot of streams attached. With this, it's a very straightforward

705
00:57:27,140 --> 00:57:36,120
simple process. And so we have utilized revenue sharing funds on many of our projects.

706
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:41,240
So we can apply for up to $10,000,000 every two years.

707
00:57:42,500 --> 00:57:49,020
And so all of these projects that we're proposing are in the capital,

708
00:57:49,180 --> 00:57:51,000
the big approved capital improvement plan.

709
00:57:53,850 --> 00:57:58,110
There's three projects that have already been awarded revenue,

710
00:57:58,110 --> 00:58:00,270
sharing funds in the past from the state,

711
00:58:01,510 --> 00:58:04,450
but we want to maximize the amount that we get,

712
00:58:04,450 --> 00:58:08,150
So that we get 50% of the cost of the project.

713
00:58:09,750 --> 00:58:12,210
So for the Millwood Avenue improvements,

714
00:58:13,710 --> 00:58:16,230
for a green circle trail, face four,

715
00:58:17,330 --> 00:58:20,410
and for the middle road sidewalks and bike lanes,

716
00:58:22,250 --> 00:58:24,610
we want to ask for additional money,

717
00:58:24,710 --> 00:58:28,430
so that 50% of the project costs from state funds.

718
00:58:31,770 --> 00:58:35,970
Once a project has already been awarded, revenue sharing funds,

719
00:58:35,970 --> 00:58:40,270
It is in the highest priority to get additional,

720
00:58:42,540 --> 00:58:49,640
so while it's not the guarantee the chances are very, very good that we will get these additional funds.

721
00:58:50,420 --> 00:58:57,340
So for those three projects, all three of those projects will start construction by the end of next calendar year.

722
00:58:59,390 --> 00:59:03,690
So that's about seven and a half million dollars for those three projects that we would be asked.

723
00:59:03,690 --> 00:59:04,330
The

724
00:59:06,860 --> 00:59:10,900
fourth project is one that has been awarded.

725
00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:13,320
It was awarded a million dollars of revenue,

726
00:59:13,500 --> 00:59:15,440
shining funds a few years ago.

727
00:59:16,740 --> 00:59:19,460
Council has not appropriated any funds,

728
00:59:19,640 --> 00:59:22,660
so it's not a project that we're moving forward with yet.

729
00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:25,860
But this is the Green Circle Trail extension

730
00:59:27,260 --> 00:59:34,090
and Bridge over Millwood, Pedestrian Bridge over Millwood.

731
00:59:34,090 --> 00:59:41,470
And so we're proposing to ask for about 1.8 million of additional funds.

732
00:59:44,330 --> 00:59:55,430
I would say that if we do ask for the funds for this project, in the FY27 budget that we will propose,

733
00:59:56,910 --> 00:59:59,970
we will put some city matching funds in there to start the design.

734
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:21,180
I know that there's been conversations about this project in the past. We're very supportive of it, but we think it would really benefit, not only as you, but the residents of Winchester, and so that's the fourth project.

735
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:28,860
Then there's two new projects, new from the standpoint that we haven't really discussed

736
01:00:28,860 --> 01:00:29,660
them in detail.

737
01:00:30,180 --> 01:00:31,940
They're in the capital improvement plan.

738
01:00:33,120 --> 01:00:34,740
The focus is on Cedar Creek Creek.

739
01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:44,420
So we get a lot of concerns related to us about the speed of traffic on Cedar Creek

740
01:00:44,420 --> 01:00:51,640
as well as safety at the intersection of Harp Strive and at Stonebridge.

741
01:00:53,060 --> 01:01:00,520
And so this project, the two biggest parts of it would be constructing roundabouts,

742
01:01:01,580 --> 01:01:05,540
two different roundabouts, one at Harp Strive, one at Stonebridge.

743
01:01:07,220 --> 01:01:16,980
And a couple of years ago, V. did a study on valiant, what improvements could be made on valiant.

744
01:01:18,520 --> 01:01:33,780
One of their recommendations was in the stretch between Jubilee and Cedar Creek grade, which is four lanes, to convert that to a three-lane section with bike lanes.

745
01:01:36,020 --> 01:01:42,920
And so that concept would apply to see degree grade because the traffic volumes are about the same.

746
01:01:44,380 --> 01:01:46,720
It would really slow people down.

747
01:01:48,340 --> 01:01:51,900
And so that is also part of this project.

748
01:01:53,500 --> 01:01:54,820
So that's see degree grade.

749
01:01:56,280 --> 01:01:57,960
Again, it's just a concept.

750
01:01:59,420 --> 01:02:02,680
It's not designed yet, so we don't have that.

751
01:02:02,680 --> 01:02:07,320
But the schematic that's in your practice is pretty close to what it went.

752
01:02:10,850 --> 01:02:14,590
Then the other new project we call it,

753
01:02:14,590 --> 01:02:16,110
neighborhood traffic improvements.

754
01:02:18,260 --> 01:02:23,120
Winchester is blessed with some very interesting intersections.

755
01:02:26,200 --> 01:02:30,860
If you built a city new, you would not build intersections this way.

756
01:02:31,900 --> 01:02:42,960
But there's two in particular that really are, they're not safe, we see near accidents, they're all the time.

757
01:02:43,540 --> 01:02:46,300
And so we're proposing too many roundabouts.

758
01:02:47,320 --> 01:02:51,740
The first would be at the intersection of OPEC and in Holland's work.

759
01:02:52,600 --> 01:03:02,560
And the other would be at, it's a vibratory intersection, woodland, chestnut, and fritter

760
01:03:02,560 --> 01:03:02,920
cap.

761
01:03:05,270 --> 01:03:06,950
Those are the two projects that are important.

762
01:03:09,180 --> 01:03:12,340
Those are all the projects very quickly.

763
01:03:13,780 --> 01:03:19,700
So we're asking for approval so that we can submit these applications next week.

764
01:03:21,340 --> 01:03:22,240
Happy to answer any questions.

765
01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:40,540
To point of clarification, are you saying that we can only approve three, or are you saying we would approve all, what are you, yeah?

766
01:03:40,720 --> 01:03:45,220
Our recommendation is that you approve applying for all of these projects.

767
01:03:45,240 --> 01:03:46,420
All of them.

768
01:03:46,520 --> 01:03:48,200
Yes, all six projects.

769
01:03:48,220 --> 01:03:49,140
All six projects.

770
01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:51,740
for a total of $10 million.

771
01:03:55,890 --> 01:03:57,990
VDOT can approve or deny any one of the six

772
01:03:57,990 --> 01:03:59,550
and any order they choose.

773
01:03:59,910 --> 01:04:01,270
Or is it a package to do?

774
01:04:01,450 --> 01:04:05,250
No, they're each looked at individually, but so we could get three

775
01:04:05,250 --> 01:04:07,210
and not three, we could get one, not get five.

776
01:04:08,050 --> 01:04:08,950
Right, okay.

777
01:04:09,250 --> 01:04:10,950
And we have no idea why they do that.

778
01:04:11,350 --> 01:04:11,810
Well,

779
01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:15,720
on smart scan logic projects,

780
01:04:16,160 --> 01:04:18,220
it's very convoluted.

781
01:04:18,540 --> 01:04:19,960
We're having a new sharing projects.

782
01:04:20,820 --> 01:04:23,380
Generally, if the money is available,

783
01:04:23,380 --> 01:04:33,180
we won't get awarded funds. They don't really scrutinize revenue showing projects when they do smart scale projects.

784
01:04:33,900 --> 01:04:39,220
Right. So just summary because this was in finance too.

785
01:04:40,200 --> 01:04:43,620
We're talking raised crosswalks on the road.

786
01:04:43,620 --> 01:04:44,340
That

787
01:04:46,510 --> 01:04:48,030
mug of things.

788
01:04:48,510 --> 01:04:48,530
Yeah.

789
01:04:50,490 --> 01:04:51,770
We're talking...

790
01:04:51,770 --> 01:04:55,470
Bridge over Millwood for the despreings.

791
01:04:56,470 --> 01:04:56,930
They put that.

792
01:05:00,730 --> 01:05:02,250
And we are talking...

793
01:05:05,060 --> 01:05:07,760
We're going to see the Greek grade, which is, again,

794
01:05:08,300 --> 01:05:09,420
Reduction of Plains.

795
01:05:16,330 --> 01:05:17,870
That one, I said it about the first one,

796
01:05:19,290 --> 01:05:20,650
that traffic continues to increase

797
01:05:20,650 --> 01:05:23,150
and reducing the number of lanes.

798
01:05:24,530 --> 01:05:25,630
I'm not a traffic engineer.

799
01:05:27,990 --> 01:05:30,370
It just seems awkward.

800
01:05:33,050 --> 01:05:36,150
I don't have problem with bikes, I don't have problem with bike lanes, but it just seems

801
01:05:36,150 --> 01:05:39,510
like we're going to put in a bike lane that takes us to the edge.

802
01:05:39,730 --> 01:05:41,050
It's the bike lane that kind of goes nowhere.

803
01:05:42,370 --> 01:05:47,230
It dead ends in a lot of bikeers, so I want you to create great, see them all the time

804
01:05:47,230 --> 01:05:47,710
in the weekends.

805
01:05:48,210 --> 01:05:53,050
They want you to create great, they can get a row, they, you know, that's a lot of bikes

806
01:05:53,050 --> 01:05:54,350
out there.

807
01:05:54,350 --> 01:06:06,770
but I don't know that I can ever stand that desire to do that, to reduce the number of lanes, obviously, yes, people speed, that's a concern.

808
01:06:09,140 --> 01:06:09,960
Yes, Councillor Fox.

809
01:06:10,400 --> 01:06:12,860
Now, there were also four Cedar Creek grade.

810
01:06:12,880 --> 01:06:17,160
I'd been to the meeting just a few weeks ago where I'd seen you,

811
01:06:17,220 --> 01:06:20,980
and they also had a median that was going to potentially go there.

812
01:06:21,720 --> 01:06:23,460
So how does that work in with this one also?

813
01:06:24,320 --> 01:06:32,060
So on Cedar Creek grade, there would be some places where there are no left terms that we

814
01:06:32,060 --> 01:06:40,440
could put raised landscape center meetings, so that would be part of the Cedar Creek grade.

815
01:06:41,080 --> 01:06:44,420
It's all part of traffic calming, though, really what's going on.

816
01:06:44,660 --> 01:06:49,720
I mean, I'm familiar with that, that's where I live, so it does get busy and certainly understand

817
01:06:49,720 --> 01:06:55,220
what President Sullivan is saying because you kind of see if that one stretch people really

818
01:06:55,220 --> 01:07:00,700
try to ramp up to hit the hill if they're going out towards 37 and if they're coming in from 37

819
01:07:00,700 --> 01:07:06,980
they're kind of slowing down so that does it needs a big tweet that intersection at

820
01:07:06,980 --> 01:07:13,840
harvest is kind of a nightmare but it plays in part along with this they're not connected

821
01:07:13,840 --> 01:07:17,560
They're just separate pieces of the mediums along with this one, right?

822
01:07:18,120 --> 01:07:20,500
And what I will add about seated in the grade.

823
01:07:20,580 --> 01:07:22,080
I certainly understand your concerns.

824
01:07:23,380 --> 01:07:27,500
Seeker Creek grade from the city line to 37.

825
01:07:28,260 --> 01:07:29,500
There are no plans.

826
01:07:30,020 --> 01:07:38,600
That we have ever heard to make that a four-lane roadway. Well, there are not at an open 400 houses on the road yet, either.

827
01:07:40,660 --> 01:07:46,660
But that's right. And there are still no plans whatsoever to make that four-lane road.

828
01:07:49,180 --> 01:07:51,240
I'm sorry, did you want to?

829
01:07:51,300 --> 01:07:53,620
It's good, but I've got one thing that I want.

830
01:07:53,860 --> 01:07:54,640
Here we go.

831
01:07:55,440 --> 01:07:55,900
Talk about.

832
01:07:55,960 --> 01:07:58,160
Okay, let's go to Councillor Ticks.

833
01:07:58,160 --> 01:08:11,560
I was just going to say, does when you do the circle, does that not eliminate some of the traffic and the safety issues to you create?

834
01:08:12,660 --> 01:08:17,240
I think that just makes it improved safety a mess way.

835
01:08:17,240 --> 01:08:23,080
because it is truly unsafe right there on Cedar Creek Great. I don't know if the city is

836
01:08:23,080 --> 01:08:30,420
noticed but already you know one one sign went up you know is caution and it's down already.

837
01:08:30,740 --> 01:08:36,520
Somebody is already blown right through it. So it's linked to it now. Yeah.

838
01:08:39,580 --> 01:08:44,740
I'm going to take you to a different neighborhood. I was very pleased and let me just say

839
01:08:44,740 --> 01:08:49,540
I support this. Go get the grants. Absolutely. But I was very pleased to see Woodland

840
01:08:49,540 --> 01:08:55,860
to have that little odd triangle between Frederick and Woodland is my first home. And the

841
01:08:55,860 --> 01:09:00,800
window that overlooks that five-way intersection is where I used to sit and teach virtually

842
01:09:00,800 --> 01:09:08,040
and try to keep a straight face as I saw what took place in that intersection. So anything that

843
01:09:08,040 --> 01:09:13,800
you can do to improve safety. I will say a couple years back you would put just regular crosswalks

844
01:09:13,800 --> 01:09:20,780
came in and did raised crosswalks. Although I see cars still continue to fly, I think the efforts

845
01:09:20,780 --> 01:09:27,020
are greatly appreciated. And anything that can be done to consider right now Woodland doesn't stop.

846
01:09:27,520 --> 01:09:33,440
And I won't pretend to be a traffic expert, but if a stop could mediate until this becomes possible,

847
01:09:34,020 --> 01:09:39,300
I think that there would be an appetite there as well. So thank you. I think it's well over due

848
01:09:39,300 --> 01:09:42,480
and anything you can do to make it happen, fantastic.

849
01:09:44,620 --> 01:09:45,440
Yes, Councilor Oaks.

850
01:09:46,580 --> 01:09:50,480
I would support moving forward with all of these.

851
01:09:52,300 --> 01:09:56,840
And this makes me, in a couple of Councilors have said

852
01:09:56,840 --> 01:10:01,400
that we're not, I don't think any of us are traffic engineers up here.

853
01:10:02,520 --> 01:10:06,440
And so, and I know in conversations I've had with you, Perry,

854
01:10:06,440 --> 01:10:16,680
or maybe, you know, sometimes I think that, like, well, why can't that, that road be 35 miles an hour?

855
01:10:17,060 --> 01:10:24,180
And you have to, you have to know the slope and the height. And like, there's a lot of stuff that I'm like,

856
01:10:24,180 --> 01:10:29,480
oh my gosh, I didn't even know that all of that goes into determining, you know, speed limit, right?

857
01:10:30,760 --> 01:10:37,660
And so, as much as I appreciate everyone's comments, and when I look at these, I think that these are all...

858
01:10:37,660 --> 01:10:46,080
I think these would all be really positive changes that would help pedestrian and bike safety.

859
01:10:47,040 --> 01:10:57,460
And it takes me to a decision that that several years ago about South Pleasant Valley in the

860
01:10:57,460 --> 01:11:01,120
Starbucks, if you're heading south on the South Pleasant Valley, and this body did not

861
01:11:01,120 --> 01:11:03,000
approve that, if I remember correctly.

862
01:11:03,580 --> 01:11:10,440
And I will tell you that is such an unsafe people want to turn left to get into the Starbucks

863
01:11:11,340 --> 01:11:19,880
And people stop before the stoplight and this body did not approve cutting that completely off.

864
01:11:20,440 --> 01:11:25,640
And I think that goes back when some of the counselors that were on at that time are no longer here.

865
01:11:27,380 --> 01:11:30,680
But I just think for us, I don't have the expertise.

866
01:11:30,960 --> 01:11:34,680
I don't have the traffic engineering experience in expertise.

867
01:11:34,680 --> 01:11:42,780
this all looks good. If V dot is saying a good recommendation here would be to do this.

868
01:11:43,800 --> 01:11:49,080
I would, I mean, I certainly want to look and see what they're proposing.

869
01:11:51,320 --> 01:11:58,820
But, you know, I think that we read this to the experts who really know and understand this

870
01:11:58,820 --> 01:12:03,740
or I fear we end up with what happened at all when I saw something like a valley.

871
01:12:04,120 --> 01:12:06,100
So I would totally support this.

872
01:12:06,580 --> 01:12:12,980
Again, with this, I hope we get the funding because if we don't have to pay all of this,

873
01:12:13,120 --> 01:12:14,480
we can get some cost sharing.

874
01:12:14,840 --> 01:12:16,800
It's a great thing and these are all good projects.

875
01:12:17,300 --> 01:12:18,800
So thank you.

876
01:12:19,220 --> 01:12:19,480
Question.

877
01:12:20,480 --> 01:12:25,360
You're going to do any of these without these share funds.

878
01:12:25,580 --> 01:12:27,480
These are all predicated and we'll get money from B.

879
01:12:29,180 --> 01:12:34,280
Right now the way that they are in the capital improvement plan and they're all predicated

880
01:12:34,280 --> 01:12:36,820
on getting the funds.

881
01:12:37,560 --> 01:12:43,720
Now certainly Council, if we're not awarded state funds, Council could say we still want

882
01:12:43,720 --> 01:12:46,680
to do the project, but the city's going to have to fund the whole thing.

883
01:12:46,960 --> 01:12:47,980
And that comes back.

884
01:12:48,040 --> 01:12:48,820
That would come.

885
01:12:49,440 --> 01:12:49,520
Yes.

886
01:12:50,220 --> 01:12:50,780
So, sorry.

887
01:12:53,940 --> 01:12:54,720
Yes, come from the.

888
01:12:54,880 --> 01:12:58,800
I think a couple of things.

889
01:12:58,800 --> 01:13:06,960
I love the discussions we've been having about, about biking, about walking, about the connections

890
01:13:06,960 --> 01:13:10,280
of the Green Circle to various parts of the city.

891
01:13:11,060 --> 01:13:18,240
I think it's not only is it a physical presence, but it's also symbolic of kind of that we live

892
01:13:18,240 --> 01:13:21,700
in a mutually connected city, right?

893
01:13:21,700 --> 01:13:23,780
We're four wars, but we're one city.

894
01:13:24,620 --> 01:13:26,340
I like that.

895
01:13:26,720 --> 01:13:31,340
I do think it would be interesting and I understand what President Sullivan is saying

896
01:13:31,340 --> 01:13:34,520
and also appreciate what Councilor Herbst rate is saying.

897
01:13:34,720 --> 01:13:42,860
In terms of, you've got to, you know, I'm curious about taking a heavily traveled road

898
01:13:42,860 --> 01:13:44,940
with traffic down to two lanes, right?

899
01:13:44,940 --> 01:13:46,080
I'm an English teacher, right?

900
01:13:46,400 --> 01:13:49,560
I'm not great at math, so that doesn't really math for me.

901
01:13:49,560 --> 01:13:54,860
However, however, someone along the way said,

902
01:13:55,020 --> 01:13:55,900
hey, this is a good idea.

903
01:13:56,720 --> 01:13:58,460
So perhaps that a future retreat, it might be kind

904
01:13:58,460 --> 01:14:05,240
of interesting to talk to a traffic engineer.

905
01:14:05,280 --> 01:14:07,360
Maybe you can come down to the English teacher level.

906
01:14:09,660 --> 01:14:11,100
But safety is key.

907
01:14:11,400 --> 01:14:13,440
In all seriousness, safety is key.

908
01:14:14,580 --> 01:14:16,020
We got to keep the bikers safe.

909
01:14:16,020 --> 01:14:17,200
We got to keep the walkers safe.

910
01:14:17,400 --> 01:14:18,960
We're seeing more and more people biking.

911
01:14:18,960 --> 01:14:20,620
we're seeing more and more people walking.

912
01:14:21,100 --> 01:14:24,180
And at the end of the day, this is probably,

913
01:14:24,420 --> 01:14:27,760
you know, making a more bike-able, walkable cities,

914
01:14:27,760 --> 01:14:30,600
you know, probably gonna be part of the strike line.

915
01:14:32,340 --> 01:14:35,000
So I appreciate working as journalists.

916
01:14:36,120 --> 01:14:36,900
I'll just jump in.

917
01:14:37,080 --> 01:14:41,400
I'll start off by saying if you want to schedule some time

918
01:14:41,400 --> 01:14:44,100
of period and talk about traffic and engineering,

919
01:14:44,680 --> 01:14:46,580
I don't know, offer him up.

920
01:14:46,640 --> 01:14:47,580
Anytime you want.

921
01:14:47,580 --> 01:14:56,580
Because it is one of those things that a lot of the more modern mitigation are a little counter to it.

922
01:14:57,680 --> 01:14:59,440
And there's two other kinds of people.

923
01:15:00,560 --> 01:15:29,980
Exit, volume, and speed. Every time you, and I get back, well, not you, but anybody says, we need to people's speed too much in this road. We need to go from 35 to 25. It doesn't matter. The design of the road is greatest indicator of how fast people will go. If the road is designed for 55 miles an hour, people will go 65 miles an hour. You can put a stop, you can put a speed limit on there. It's 15. No one's going to do that.

924
01:15:30,000 --> 01:15:38,120
pay attention to it. These mitigations, not when leasing, calm, traffic, it's meant to slow

925
01:15:38,120 --> 01:15:41,780
it down a little bit, which is counter-intuitive because you think what we got to get was

926
01:15:41,780 --> 01:15:47,900
to which traffic was congestion. But you move your more efficient of moving cars out low

927
01:15:47,900 --> 01:15:52,860
or speeds. The stat I've always heard for years is 35 miles an hour because of the way that

928
01:15:52,860 --> 01:15:58,760
it's static. You go faster or more spread out. When everyone's going through right speed limit,

929
01:15:58,760 --> 01:16:01,360
It's definitely correct me if I want to make it in the south.

930
01:16:02,060 --> 01:16:10,640
When everyone's going the proper speed limit, and the road is designed to slow you down a little bit to go the proper speed limit.

931
01:16:11,860 --> 01:16:16,740
That actually increases your efficiency of moving volumes of traffic.

932
01:16:17,160 --> 01:16:19,400
Because then you've got people that are one carlinked apart.

933
01:16:19,600 --> 01:16:21,460
Then we've twice the number of cars out of it.

934
01:16:21,640 --> 01:16:24,400
They're either five or three or three weeks back.

935
01:16:25,080 --> 01:16:27,500
And of course, a lot of students always say for it.

936
01:16:27,500 --> 01:16:34,860
And so all of these mitigations, whether it's the road diet, a median with trees, all of

937
01:16:34,860 --> 01:16:40,120
those things serve to kind of as visual cues to slow them out.

938
01:16:40,440 --> 01:16:45,800
So some of them do seem counterintuitive, because I know what I'm on 81, I want to go as fast

939
01:16:45,800 --> 01:16:48,520
as I possibly can, because that feels good on, getting there fast.

940
01:16:48,860 --> 01:16:53,540
But when we have to look at moving thousands of people around, we also have to take into

941
01:16:53,540 --> 01:16:58,620
in the volume, and what's the most efficient way to improve the volume of people around.

942
01:16:59,300 --> 01:17:03,740
So anytime you want to deep dive into that, there's your question.

943
01:17:03,960 --> 01:17:04,260
Question.

944
01:17:04,860 --> 01:17:12,040
Do you traffic circles actually assist with safety and getting people tremendously?

945
01:17:12,520 --> 01:17:13,580
That's what I get.

946
01:17:13,580 --> 01:17:15,700
It increases the safety immensely.

947
01:17:17,040 --> 01:17:22,120
A good traffic circle is actually safer than a single one.

948
01:17:24,500 --> 01:17:32,580
And see, we're at the point now, where a traffic signal light is close to being

949
01:17:32,580 --> 01:17:35,760
warranted at the intersection, so you create an harvest drive.

950
01:17:36,400 --> 01:17:38,960
And so it's right on the edge of meeting the warrants.

951
01:17:39,620 --> 01:17:48,390
And so a single lane traffic circle would be actually much safer than a single one

952
01:17:48,390 --> 01:17:48,910
right there.

953
01:17:54,050 --> 01:17:54,890
Always put it in.

954
01:17:54,930 --> 01:17:58,290
You can't keep on somebody at a traffic circle, right?

955
01:17:58,930 --> 01:18:08,590
You might get, you know, at worst you might get a little fender fender if someone's not paying attention, but you're not going to have high speed collisions in a traffic circle.

956
01:18:09,010 --> 01:18:16,190
And then the mound, that's in the middle, then allows the rescue people access.

957
01:18:17,590 --> 01:18:21,510
That's my understanding of, it's mostly for big trucks.

958
01:18:21,510 --> 01:18:28,790
Yeah, that had trouble making that turn, they can actually drive over part of the center part of it.

959
01:18:28,990 --> 01:18:32,250
It's just like our tragic circle down here on a picnic with you.

960
01:18:33,770 --> 01:18:41,090
Big trucks, if they go through that intersection, which you see big trucks do, they drive up on the brakes,

961
01:18:42,050 --> 01:18:44,470
and it's not a problem for them.

962
01:18:44,650 --> 01:18:45,790
It works very well.

963
01:18:47,070 --> 01:18:56,110
And originally, on Cedar Creek, where that 350 houses had gone in, back in the day, maybe

964
01:18:56,110 --> 01:19:02,350
three, four years ago, and those plans for the county was to have a traffic light right

965
01:19:02,350 --> 01:19:02,850
there.

966
01:19:03,270 --> 01:19:08,710
And the reason why they didn't do it, is because they decreased the number of houses.

967
01:19:09,130 --> 01:19:14,750
It was supposed to be way more than 350, it was supposed to take in the whole section down

968
01:19:14,750 --> 01:19:15,190
there.

969
01:19:16,590 --> 01:19:18,330
So, then we're.

970
01:19:18,430 --> 01:19:19,230
Okay, good discussion.

971
01:19:19,370 --> 01:19:20,150
We have a couple of comments.

972
01:19:21,510 --> 01:19:23,090
I would make a motion to approve.

973
01:19:24,310 --> 01:19:25,570
Motion and second.

974
01:19:26,950 --> 01:19:27,610
All of us in favor.

975
01:19:28,310 --> 01:19:28,470
Aye.

976
01:19:34,480 --> 01:19:34,560
Aye.

977
01:19:34,780 --> 01:19:35,120
Thank you.

978
01:19:35,480 --> 01:19:36,200
Thank you.

979
01:19:37,810 --> 01:19:38,850
Next, I'm really interested.

980
01:19:39,150 --> 01:19:44,990
12.3 is our 2025-34 resolution of the Common Council of the City of Winchester, Virginia

981
01:19:44,990 --> 01:19:51,270
on the modification of $27,500,000 of revenue bonds and the issuance of up to

982
01:19:51,270 --> 01:19:56,490
22,500,000 revenue bonds by the economic development authority of the city, but when

983
01:19:56,490 --> 01:20:01,930
Shuster, for the benefit of Westminster, Canterbury of Winchester 8, presented by Councillor

984
01:20:01,930 --> 01:20:05,310
Wood, Wendell and Judgment or EDA Director.

985
01:20:09,050 --> 01:20:09,310
Good evening.

986
01:20:10,050 --> 01:20:12,730
The pair of pairs are always complicated, mine's very straightforward.

987
01:20:21,120 --> 01:20:26,080
Westminster, Canterbury has asked us to be a conduit for a bond issue in which would include

988
01:20:26,080 --> 01:20:32,420
refinancing of a previous bond as well as a new bond issuance for the purchase of roughly

989
01:20:32,420 --> 01:20:35,460
98 acres that straddles Winchester and printer county.

990
01:20:43,740 --> 01:20:44,580
What's the design?

991
01:20:45,460 --> 01:20:48,880
No questions, tax amplifiers on the property.

992
01:20:49,900 --> 01:20:52,840
That would be a question for the commissioner, representative.

993
01:20:55,020 --> 01:20:55,040
Yeah.

994
01:20:58,620 --> 01:20:59,300
Budget and body.

995
01:21:01,390 --> 01:21:01,850
Make a motion.

996
01:21:02,210 --> 01:21:03,010
Thank you.

997
01:21:03,310 --> 01:21:04,030
Motion and a second.

998
01:21:04,210 --> 01:21:04,830
All those in favor.

999
01:21:05,190 --> 01:21:05,730
Hi.

1000
01:21:06,350 --> 01:21:07,250
That is proved.

1001
01:21:08,070 --> 01:21:08,390
Thank you.

1002
01:21:08,590 --> 01:21:08,930
Thank you.

1003
01:21:08,930 --> 01:21:09,730
President

1004
01:21:18,240 --> 01:21:21,580
Solman, I need to read a statement to go to this next item.

1005
01:21:21,620 --> 01:21:22,600
Okay, please proceed.

1006
01:21:23,800 --> 01:21:28,680
I'm employed by and provide services to Blurich Habitat that may realize reasonably

1007
01:21:28,680 --> 01:21:32,520
foreseeable direct or indirect benefit or detriment from this transaction.

1008
01:21:32,820 --> 01:21:37,500
My salary French benefits and any other benefits paid or provided by Blurich Habitat

1009
01:21:37,500 --> 01:21:41,820
exceeds or is reasonably anticipated to exceed $5,000.

1010
01:21:41,880 --> 01:21:46,880
Due to my personal interest and in accordance with the Virginia conflict of interest,

1011
01:21:46,880 --> 01:21:59,820
Act on your right to disclose my interest and and disqualifying myself from voting on this transaction, attending any close meetings with respect to this transaction and discussing this transaction with any city officials or employees.

1012
01:22:00,180 --> 01:22:01,300
Thank you.

1013
01:22:01,480 --> 01:22:02,040
Thank you.

1014
01:22:02,960 --> 01:22:03,280
Next item.

1015
01:22:03,720 --> 01:22:06,780
This is 12.4025-24.

1016
01:22:06,880 --> 01:22:09,320
This is a first reading and ordinance screening.

1017
01:22:09,580 --> 01:22:14,760
A student easement to the property owner at 222 South Kent Street to allow a student to be constructed

1018
01:22:14,760 --> 01:22:19,400
in the city's right of way, because I did buy Councilor Wendou and Kelly Hunchoff. Thank you for

1019
01:22:19,400 --> 01:22:24,400
helping me. Yes. So hopefully these next two items are pretty simple. The first one is this

1020
01:22:24,400 --> 01:22:29,960
property at 222 South Kent Street. It's owned by Habitat for Humanity. And as you can see from the

1021
01:22:30,000 --> 01:22:40,900
We'll take pictures on the slide there. The front door opens and there's no way to get out onto the sidewalk. The stairway for that house was demolished many years ago and it's been like that.

1022
01:22:41,020 --> 01:22:51,220
So their request is that council would get grants and easement for their stoop to encroach into the city's right away so that they could construct a stairway down to the sidewalk.

1023
01:22:52,960 --> 01:22:54,980
Simple enough, any questions, just one?

1024
01:22:55,280 --> 01:22:55,560
Yes, ma'am.

1025
01:22:55,960 --> 01:22:58,100
Is there still room enough for a little care to go around?

1026
01:22:58,600 --> 01:22:58,620
Yes.

1027
01:22:58,760 --> 01:22:59,220
We look.

1028
01:22:59,560 --> 01:23:01,560
You can see there's a poll on the corner.

1029
01:23:01,880 --> 01:23:04,360
There we went out and did the measurements based on where they

1030
01:23:04,360 --> 01:23:07,360
Intense put the stairway and we have adequate room there.

1031
01:23:09,440 --> 01:23:09,840
Okay.

1032
01:23:10,500 --> 01:23:10,800
Okay.

1033
01:23:11,020 --> 01:23:11,380
What's the budget?

1034
01:23:11,620 --> 01:23:12,360
Oh, it's first read.

1035
01:23:12,680 --> 01:23:12,740
First read.

1036
01:23:14,620 --> 01:23:14,920
No.

1037
01:23:15,980 --> 01:23:16,800
No motions required.

1038
01:23:17,380 --> 01:23:18,000
No questions.

1039
01:23:18,000 --> 01:23:28,130
we will see you when you come back. Next item, 12.5 is O-2025-25. This is also a first rating

1040
01:23:28,130 --> 01:23:32,750
of an ordinance granting trail easements to the county, to the county of Frederick, Virginia,

1041
01:23:33,290 --> 01:23:36,880
the Frederick County, Virginia, across city, and for ourselves located in Frederick County.

1042
01:23:38,550 --> 01:23:46,850
That's not a map number 54-A-119, 54-A-121, and 54-A-122.

1043
01:23:50,210 --> 01:23:56,830
All right, similar and sort of related, so the city owns a couple of

1044
01:23:56,830 --> 01:24:01,650
piece of property in Frederick County on across the interstate, off of Woodstock

1045
01:24:01,650 --> 01:24:09,390
Lane, it's where our old water treatment was. And right now, fire, rescue and

1046
01:24:09,390 --> 01:24:15,350
police run exercises down there. We do some storage. Frederick County has a

1047
01:24:15,350 --> 01:24:19,830
city to grant an easement for a trail that they are working on, the exhibit that their

1048
01:24:19,830 --> 01:24:26,090
shows their overall plan for the trail. The subject of tonight is just the yellow section,

1049
01:24:26,790 --> 01:24:32,710
and the next slide that we have shows specifically the city's property. The green line is where

1050
01:24:32,710 --> 01:24:38,470
the trail alignment would go on the two pieces of city property. We've reviewed it with them in the

1051
01:24:38,470 --> 01:24:42,310
the staff fully supports this request for the county.

1052
01:24:44,770 --> 01:24:45,070
Questions?

1053
01:24:46,230 --> 01:24:48,130
No, not a question, but we had this at pay.

1054
01:24:48,230 --> 01:24:49,150
I think it's a great thing.

1055
01:24:49,550 --> 01:24:52,170
Good to connect with our friends over there in the Frederick County.

1056
01:24:52,350 --> 01:24:53,050
And I'd love to see it.

1057
01:24:53,190 --> 01:24:55,630
Some point, there's a way to link this up with the Green Circle Trail.

1058
01:24:55,650 --> 01:24:58,090
That would be a fantastic thing for the entire community.

1059
01:24:59,410 --> 01:24:59,610
Excellent.

1060
01:25:00,430 --> 01:25:00,710
All right.

1061
01:25:00,910 --> 01:25:01,430
No questions.

1062
01:25:01,650 --> 01:25:02,010
First reading.

1063
01:25:02,230 --> 01:25:03,310
We'll see you when it comes back.

1064
01:25:03,370 --> 01:25:03,770
Thank you.

1065
01:25:06,150 --> 01:25:06,730
Next slide.

1066
01:25:06,730 --> 01:25:14,170
is 12.6025-26 is the first reading of an ordinance authorizing the issuance and sale of general

1067
01:25:14,170 --> 01:25:17,970
obligation, public improvement bonds, the city of Winchester, Virginia, and an aggregate

1068
01:25:17,970 --> 01:25:23,550
principle about not to exceed 26 million five hundred thousand dollars to finance the cost of

1069
01:25:23,550 --> 01:25:27,750
certain capital improvement projects, presented by Councillor Bell and Mary Blow.

1070
01:25:28,870 --> 01:25:32,530
Great. Thank you, Councillor President. Mayor, members of council. So that's how many years

1071
01:25:32,530 --> 01:25:38,390
Again, for starting our bond issue in season, these projects were reviewed and improved through

1072
01:25:38,390 --> 01:25:41,130
the budget process that we just went through a couple months ago.

1073
01:25:41,490 --> 01:25:47,810
There's nothing new in here, nothing has changed, 25.2 per amount.

1074
01:25:48,370 --> 01:25:54,590
We do figure we'll sell it a premium again, our bond sell very well, so we're trying to

1075
01:25:54,590 --> 01:25:55,530
go out.

1076
01:25:55,850 --> 01:26:02,190
We're doing 20 years again on our bonds, about $1.9 million in your debt service for 20 years.

1077
01:26:02,730 --> 01:26:07,650
We were able to, we have debt dropping off primarily from the Hamlee and Daniel Morgan old projects,

1078
01:26:07,890 --> 01:26:16,470
so that debt's falling off our debt charts and we're able to slide this in so this is actually no budget impact to the city which is fabulous.

1079
01:26:18,130 --> 01:26:23,070
We're looking, last year we sold it about a 378 for our 20 year geobons.

1080
01:26:23,350 --> 01:26:29,070
This year I'm giving you a little bit of a range of 4.1 to 4.3 for market change.

1081
01:26:29,070 --> 01:26:31,450
to stay healthy as everyone's aware of.

1082
01:26:31,490 --> 01:26:33,250
So I'll give you an update at the public hearing.

1083
01:26:33,330 --> 01:26:35,630
You'll be a public hearing on the 23rd for this ordinance

1084
01:26:35,630 --> 01:26:36,990
and companion resolution.

1085
01:26:38,750 --> 01:26:41,970
We project, we like to sell the week of October 20th

1086
01:26:41,970 --> 01:26:43,250
and close November 6th.

1087
01:26:43,390 --> 01:26:45,970
So we receive November 6th of the funds

1088
01:26:45,970 --> 01:26:47,750
to go ahead and start these projects.

1089
01:26:47,810 --> 01:26:49,010
Some of which have already been started.

1090
01:26:49,630 --> 01:26:53,250
So we're going to get these projects wrapped up.

1091
01:26:53,610 --> 01:26:55,390
That's kind of a quick synopsis.

1092
01:26:55,590 --> 01:26:58,250
We'll be back the 23rd for the public hearing on this.

1093
01:26:58,250 --> 01:27:01,250
And then the companion resolution with the details of the bond.

1094
01:27:01,830 --> 01:27:02,550
The next one.

1095
01:27:03,130 --> 01:27:04,490
Any questions on the need of the project?

1096
01:27:04,870 --> 01:27:05,090
Yes, Councillor.

1097
01:27:05,330 --> 01:27:07,150
Just a question for you, Mary.

1098
01:27:07,370 --> 01:27:12,690
Or if you can speak to this, you had said that our bonds do very well.

1099
01:27:13,330 --> 01:27:18,850
Can you explain what that is and what that means for residents in the city?

1100
01:27:19,330 --> 01:27:19,950
Thank you.

1101
01:27:20,190 --> 01:27:20,870
Good question.

1102
01:27:21,830 --> 01:27:23,530
Last year, we had actually ten bidders.

1103
01:27:24,210 --> 01:27:26,570
So the more bidders we get, the more aggressive they are at the pricing.

1104
01:27:26,570 --> 01:27:28,790
So we got that wonderful 378 rate.

1105
01:27:29,290 --> 01:27:33,950
We've been as low as 178, which is an amazing, you know,

1106
01:27:34,050 --> 01:27:35,470
still for one is a great rate.

1107
01:27:35,610 --> 01:27:39,410
And we're AAA rated, that's something we certainly value here.

1108
01:27:39,410 --> 01:27:40,390
It gives us the best rate.

1109
01:27:40,510 --> 01:27:42,570
So we can, these projects are affordable.

1110
01:27:43,230 --> 01:27:46,090
If we weren't AAA rated, I might not be sitting here saying,

1111
01:27:46,230 --> 01:27:48,570
I can slide this in our debt to have no budget impact.

1112
01:27:48,770 --> 01:27:51,990
I might be saying, there's maybe a nexus of a half million dollars,

1113
01:27:52,210 --> 01:27:55,170
and what they would be depending on, with that rate fee.

1114
01:27:55,170 --> 01:27:57,130
but that sound our bond cell,

1115
01:27:57,130 --> 01:27:59,810
a AAA rated geo bond cells cells pretty well,

1116
01:28:00,310 --> 01:28:02,490
and Winchester is in the market frequently.

1117
01:28:03,590 --> 01:28:06,010
We have some very loyal bond holders,

1118
01:28:06,170 --> 01:28:07,750
and I'm very much appreciate that.

1119
01:28:11,130 --> 01:28:11,850
I want to go questions.

1120
01:28:12,810 --> 01:28:13,830
All right, that's the first reading.

1121
01:28:14,570 --> 01:28:15,950
Let's see it in two weeks.

1122
01:28:16,130 --> 01:28:17,030
Thank you very much.

1123
01:28:17,190 --> 01:28:17,550
Thank you.

1124
01:28:20,530 --> 01:28:22,630
The next slide, I'm going to introduce 12.7.

1125
01:28:22,690 --> 01:28:24,710
This is O-2025-23.

1126
01:28:24,930 --> 01:28:28,930
This is a first reading RZ-25-3.

1127
01:28:28,930 --> 01:28:36,150
ordinance to conditionally reason approximately 1.3 two acres of land at 616 and 632 C to

1128
01:28:36,150 --> 01:28:41,810
create grade. From residential office are a one district with Coredorn Antsmen C overlay district

1129
01:28:41,810 --> 01:28:47,770
to highway commercial B2 district with Coredorn Antsmen C D overlay district. So then my council

1130
01:28:47,770 --> 01:28:49,290
from window and David Stewart.

1131
01:28:52,930 --> 01:28:52,930
Welcome.

1132
01:28:59,200 --> 01:28:59,900
Mayor, council.

1133
01:29:02,590 --> 01:29:04,730
Tim Stow here representing the applicant

1134
01:29:04,730 --> 01:29:13,050
of this application, the applicant is the property owner on behalf of a developer interested

1135
01:29:13,050 --> 01:29:20,170
in developing a bank at the property here, 16, 6, 16, 6, 32, C degree grade to vacant parcel

1136
01:29:20,170 --> 01:29:21,490
two parcels.

1137
01:29:21,930 --> 01:29:32,110
There's own RO1 residential office in that zoning district, bank uses our conditional use permit.

1138
01:29:32,110 --> 01:29:38,670
So, their quest here is to rezone the properties to B2 highway commercial with quarter

1139
01:29:38,670 --> 01:29:41,770
enhancement overlay, which would remain on site.

1140
01:29:43,290 --> 01:29:50,330
The applicant originally submitted a proper list that restricted the uses as part of this

1141
01:29:50,330 --> 01:29:56,650
rezoning to only bank uses in the future, and that would be binding for all future property

1142
01:29:56,650 --> 01:29:58,680
owners as well without a revision too.

1143
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:08,460
The proposed Prophets. So with some concerns from staff and at Planock Commission's first work session, the applicant

1144
01:30:08,460 --> 01:30:27,620
resimitted a proper list with excluded uses from the B2 highway zone. That change offered up some potential uses down the road, if the bank would ever vacate the site. They would not be locked into one use in perpetuity.

1145
01:30:27,620 --> 01:30:34,860
So, the site is surrounded by single family zoning to the north on Hillman Drive.

1146
01:30:36,280 --> 01:30:41,000
The adjacent property immediately to the west is the two conditionally zoned as well.

1147
01:30:42,520 --> 01:30:50,880
That zone rezoning there about roughly 15 years ago did allow that two-store structure to get felt there along Cedar Creek grade.

1148
01:30:53,600 --> 01:31:05,140
The R01 zoning district was originally applied for most of this corridor, but over time there have been a significant number of conditional

1149
01:31:05,140 --> 01:31:12,340
rezoning to the B2 highway use as you can see on the screen, including directly across the street from the subject property.

1150
01:31:13,140 --> 01:31:20,880
The applicant did submit some renderings of the structure and some of the other

1151
01:31:20,880 --> 01:31:27,000
proffers as opposed to the current proffers is in your packet for review.

1152
01:31:27,840 --> 01:31:33,620
Some of the other proffers referenced that the building will comply with the standards and

1153
01:31:33,620 --> 01:31:40,280
will coordinate that with staff as the development where, you know, to move forward.

1154
01:31:41,760 --> 01:31:50,240
The other profit condition is that a potential access to the road punched in to see the

1155
01:31:50,240 --> 01:31:55,580
Greek grade would be opposite, so fee away, which is a private street that hits Cedar

1156
01:31:55,580 --> 01:32:00,940
Cree grade across the street from the west end of the second parcel and the private entrance

1157
01:32:00,940 --> 01:32:04,340
into a office complex on the other side of the road,

1158
01:32:04,500 --> 01:32:06,380
shown here, on the screen.

1159
01:32:07,460 --> 01:32:10,940
I will highlight these two areas.

1160
01:32:11,080 --> 01:32:14,840
This is a profit condition that if two entrances were built

1161
01:32:14,840 --> 01:32:16,680
into these parts, so they would mimic that,

1162
01:32:16,700 --> 01:32:20,080
which is a preferred alternative for a site claim in the future.

1163
01:32:24,460 --> 01:32:29,340
We did receive one comment from a homeowner on Hillman Drive.

1164
01:32:30,200 --> 01:32:31,620
If I were to summarize that comment,

1165
01:32:31,620 --> 01:32:37,000
that they were just concerned about the suitability of the land and not so much the use

1166
01:32:37,000 --> 01:32:40,060
future development use of that parcel.

1167
01:32:40,600 --> 01:32:44,700
So, I'll be happy to answer any other questions and Mr. Stel here, it's here as well.

1168
01:32:49,310 --> 01:32:50,250
Just a comment.

1169
01:32:50,630 --> 01:32:55,090
I do think that changing for that zoning, I think that's correct usage of what you're

1170
01:32:55,090 --> 01:32:55,890
going to do.

1171
01:32:56,810 --> 01:32:57,390
What did it find?

1172
01:32:57,630 --> 01:33:01,830
What the land owner, it's kind of carried this through the whole time just to make sure

1173
01:33:01,830 --> 01:33:05,470
their neighbors of mine want to make sure that they don't have any issues with there and

1174
01:33:05,470 --> 01:33:09,150
for the other counselors if you're looking at the bed the right hand piece is what's

1175
01:33:09,150 --> 01:33:13,770
going to be used the left hand piece is not used at this point but potentially in the future

1176
01:33:13,770 --> 01:33:18,470
could be used under the same restrictions that they're going to do that's the one with a really

1177
01:33:18,470 --> 01:33:22,710
pretty more chilled it's there but otherwise I think it's the correct thing to do there

1178
01:33:24,920 --> 01:33:28,640
I'll just I'm looking at this top graphic map I mean it is relatively steep

1179
01:33:29,400 --> 01:33:39,450
Yes, I have a topographic initiative to the neighbor that did include the letter and there's

1180
01:33:39,450 --> 01:33:41,770
a lot of rock there, I think, potentially,

1181
01:33:44,230 --> 01:33:44,230
yeah,

1182
01:33:50,030 --> 01:33:52,950
do they have any, watch out for the neighbors?

1183
01:33:53,110 --> 01:33:57,250
I mean, I'm sure we do, but we threats that concern.

1184
01:33:57,450 --> 01:34:00,930
I mean, rock mean to mean a lot of things, a lot of hammering it.

1185
01:34:01,530 --> 01:34:03,770
You know, that takes a lot of

1186
01:34:06,810 --> 01:34:06,810
stuff.

1187
01:34:06,810 --> 01:34:08,190
And that's how can you take it?

1188
01:34:08,190 --> 01:34:11,830
I mean, I mean, you don't need G.O. studies or anything like that.

1189
01:34:12,290 --> 01:34:14,550
Yeah, we've had tried engineering outside to do G.O.

1190
01:34:14,790 --> 01:34:15,190
technical studies.

1191
01:34:15,830 --> 01:34:17,730
We have their recommendations back.

1192
01:34:18,090 --> 01:34:22,830
We were pleasantly surprised that how deep rock was throughout most of the site.

1193
01:34:22,970 --> 01:34:25,610
And then when we looked at historical photos on Google Earth,

1194
01:34:25,710 --> 01:34:29,930
when you saw all the basement material from Hillman Drive,

1195
01:34:30,110 --> 01:34:31,270
you got pushed over the hill.

1196
01:34:34,210 --> 01:34:35,190
There's a lot of it.

1197
01:34:37,270 --> 01:34:43,610
you know that was my opinion it's it's it can be a tricky site just for those reasons

1198
01:34:44,170 --> 01:34:46,690
I think it's been used I mean I'll just point out that

1199
01:34:47,970 --> 01:34:53,050
have you have you affected in the the bike lane in one turn lane that we just discussed

1200
01:34:53,050 --> 01:35:00,430
we are your renderings for Cedar Creek. No we we've done traffic analysis to determine what's

1201
01:35:00,430 --> 01:35:06,270
needed there as far as the turn lane yeah and and the turn lane was not used for this like

1202
01:35:11,070 --> 01:35:12,030
First reading.

1203
01:35:13,250 --> 01:35:15,110
There's no questions then.

1204
01:35:15,350 --> 01:35:16,390
We'll see in two weeks.

1205
01:35:17,010 --> 01:35:17,030
Okay.

1206
01:35:17,170 --> 01:35:17,610
Thank you.

1207
01:35:22,100 --> 01:35:23,760
Next item is 12.8.

1208
01:35:24,100 --> 01:35:25,780
This is 0.025-21.

1209
01:35:25,920 --> 01:35:28,380
This is the first reading of T.A.D.

1210
01:35:28,380 --> 01:35:31,760
T.A.-25-1 in ordinance amending and reenacting the land.

1211
01:35:31,840 --> 01:35:34,100
Subdivision to ordinance of the city of Winchester, Virginia.

1212
01:35:35,020 --> 01:35:37,180
The ordinance would authorize the city planning director

1213
01:35:37,180 --> 01:35:41,260
and authorize the designee to review and act upon preliminary and final subdivision

1214
01:35:42,060 --> 01:35:47,400
We have a preliminary class and final class involving commercial or residential parcels

1215
01:35:48,140 --> 01:35:49,280
in recent minutes of class.

1216
01:35:49,460 --> 01:35:53,520
Monify requirements for preliminary and final class establish requirements and procedures

1217
01:35:53,520 --> 01:35:57,180
that apply when a sudden class, when a submission class is not approved

1218
01:35:57,180 --> 01:35:58,280
update varies.

1219
01:35:58,340 --> 01:36:03,600
Other provisions to reflect changes to Virginia law and Winchester City Code presented by Councillor

1220
01:36:03,600 --> 01:36:04,920
Wendell and David Stewart.

1221
01:36:07,470 --> 01:36:08,050
Thank you very much.

1222
01:36:08,050 --> 01:36:18,490
So if I may, this item and the following item, which is TA-25-2, are related to the same

1223
01:36:18,490 --> 01:36:29,210
acts of state legislator, there was a bill passed, HB2660, delivers a number that is forcing

1224
01:36:29,210 --> 01:36:31,850
these changes to our ordinances.

1225
01:36:32,430 --> 01:36:37,090
So the subdivision ordinance being a standalone ordinance from the subdivision ordinance,

1226
01:36:37,090 --> 01:36:42,850
I see it from the zoning one, and that's why they're at the site separately, but it's the same issue in art.

1227
01:36:44,210 --> 01:36:54,030
The gist of it is that the state law changes to the subdivision and site plan approval timeframes has been shortened from 60 in some cases down to 45 days.

1228
01:36:54,490 --> 01:37:06,270
Another significant change that planning commission has been removed from the role of site plan approval, so there can be no site plan public hearings for

1229
01:37:06,270 --> 01:37:12,350
site points under review as they are in a administrative process, so there was a desire

1230
01:37:12,350 --> 01:37:16,050
at the state level to kind of remove that uncertainty of a public hearing from something

1231
01:37:16,050 --> 01:37:16,850
that is administrative.

1232
01:37:18,410 --> 01:37:27,290
Other changes to the subdivision, ordinance, are that, the,

1233
01:37:30,620 --> 01:37:41,600
With the subdivision ordinance, it also remains within the administrator, so that would be the subdivision administrator's roll to enact the subdivision ordinance.

1234
01:37:43,100 --> 01:37:48,520
So, in recent memory we have had major subdivisions coming in front of council for approval.

1235
01:37:48,520 --> 01:37:56,400
It has always been somewhat ministerial act where we're looking for just compliance with the

1236
01:37:56,400 --> 01:38:03,500
subdivision ordinance and barring that approval is expected from Council authorizing the city manager

1237
01:38:03,500 --> 01:38:06,740
to sign a major subdivision plant.

1238
01:38:06,940 --> 01:38:13,580
That process has also changed to become the purview and responsibility of the subdivision

1239
01:38:13,580 --> 01:38:14,180
administrator.

1240
01:38:14,180 --> 01:38:21,940
So throughout the subdivision ordinance, you'll see references to either planning commission

1241
01:38:21,940 --> 01:38:29,140
or counsel or other bodies being references and changed to administrator.

1242
01:38:29,960 --> 01:38:32,760
That would be the subdivision administrator's role in responsibility.

1243
01:38:34,440 --> 01:38:40,340
General code sections, we did take up brief opportunity to look at subdivision ordinance,

1244
01:38:40,340 --> 01:38:44,540
which is a book that has been rarely updated over the years.

1245
01:38:45,640 --> 01:38:53,560
So we did come up with a few changes, kind of in line with HB2660.

1246
01:38:54,500 --> 01:39:01,580
But nothing from really from a standards perspective, just kind of updating some language.

1247
01:39:01,780 --> 01:39:06,920
There was outdated language about the tree commission, for example, which is a section

1248
01:39:06,920 --> 01:39:12,220
of code that was removed from general code, so there is no tree commission to refer to.

1249
01:39:13,180 --> 01:39:16,720
So forth, the subdivision ordinance predates the planned unit

1250
01:39:16,720 --> 01:39:19,180
element ordinance, which is part of zoning ordinance.

1251
01:39:19,620 --> 01:39:23,660
So there were no references to planned unit developments within the subdivision ordinance.

1252
01:39:23,840 --> 01:39:30,080
So we did add some mirroring language in the subdivision amendments.

1253
01:39:33,200 --> 01:39:43,320
And I'd be happy to answer any other detailed questions about the subdivision ordinance, as well as the site-plane ordinance updates, which is 25-ish too.

1254
01:39:45,380 --> 01:39:45,400
Questions?

1255
01:39:47,210 --> 01:39:49,510
I'm so basically this state could clean up.

1256
01:39:52,380 --> 01:39:54,880
And it's reducing the amount of time you have to do, sort of thing.

1257
01:39:55,140 --> 01:39:56,880
There are some shortings of approvals.

1258
01:39:56,880 --> 01:40:03,320
The preliminary plat prove is down to 45 days, and final plat are prove is 60 days.

1259
01:40:05,900 --> 01:40:08,200
Is there a new to your knowledge?

1260
01:40:15,230 --> 01:40:21,470
I think the way the state law is written, there might be some cleanup to the state law, which

1261
01:40:21,470 --> 01:40:25,170
I have to encourage after Bill's get passed, where they get reinterpreted, and this is what

1262
01:40:25,170 --> 01:40:30,390
we actually meant by the law that was just passed, but the way the current law reads

1263
01:40:30,390 --> 01:40:38,390
is that it's an approval must be granted, or the applicant must be made aware of disapproval.

1264
01:40:38,810 --> 01:40:43,750
So basically, it's kind of like a review process that the city should need to inform the

1265
01:40:43,750 --> 01:40:49,790
administrative and you should inform the applicant that their project and proposal does not

1266
01:40:49,790 --> 01:40:53,870
meet the standards for example, and that would need to be, that would need to occur with it

1267
01:40:53,870 --> 01:40:56,150
those a lot of time frames.

1268
01:40:56,430 --> 01:40:57,930
So if you don't have proof something is it

1269
01:40:57,930 --> 01:40:59,610
about the fault of a proof?

1270
01:41:00,130 --> 01:41:01,170
I've never spawned.

1271
01:41:01,630 --> 01:41:04,750
There might be a condition for that I'd have to double check

1272
01:41:04,750 --> 01:41:07,210
on that area sometimes I make this changes.

1273
01:41:08,130 --> 01:41:10,210
It's way very good to be in the room.

1274
01:41:10,990 --> 01:41:12,610
Hi, I can certainly look into that in the future.

1275
01:41:13,430 --> 01:41:13,690
Thank you.

1276
01:41:13,690 --> 01:41:14,330
Any other questions?

1277
01:41:15,670 --> 01:41:17,930
Okay, so you just take a clean up, pretty simple.

1278
01:41:18,850 --> 01:41:21,310
The questions first reading, we'll see you in two weeks.

1279
01:41:21,850 --> 01:41:22,970
Okay, thank you.

1280
01:41:22,970 --> 01:41:23,870
last

1281
01:41:27,200 --> 01:41:35,500
bite of one the agenda. This is $12.9. This is $0.205-22. This is a first reading of

1282
01:41:35,500 --> 01:41:44,260
T-A-25-2 and in order to amend and reenact section of $19-619-7 of the City of Winchester,

1283
01:41:44,460 --> 01:41:48,260
zoning ordinance to reflect changes to Virginia code related to administrative approval

1284
01:41:48,260 --> 01:41:52,640
of site lands. Council window and David Stewart that sounds a lot like what we just did.

1285
01:41:52,640 --> 01:42:16,920
Yes, I did already give the PowerPoint to back to our IT team, but yeah, this is the zoning ordinance change that is dictated by HB266L specifically for the site plan section of the zoning ordinance and removes the planning commission per view from the approval process of the public hearings of planning commission over site plans.

1286
01:42:22,300 --> 01:42:25,700
I'm a big change, I don't know.

1287
01:42:26,080 --> 01:42:29,300
Let me not, you know, it's taken an out of the public,

1288
01:42:29,560 --> 01:42:33,320
but elected public's curbium.

1289
01:42:33,620 --> 01:42:35,140
I'm very open to ask.

1290
01:42:36,260 --> 01:42:39,080
They did not consult us with it, but with the changes.

1291
01:42:39,660 --> 01:42:42,020
Just heads up, you know, just thrown out there.

1292
01:42:42,340 --> 01:42:45,640
Yes, I was just going to say it's this is at the state level.

1293
01:42:46,140 --> 01:42:47,260
No, no, no, no.

1294
01:42:47,260 --> 01:42:49,440
Yeah, yeah, I don't know.

1295
01:42:49,440 --> 01:42:51,440
the pain and the poster.

1296
01:42:52,320 --> 01:42:53,340
We don't have to wipe it.

1297
01:42:53,620 --> 01:42:54,840
No, no, we don't.

1298
01:42:56,060 --> 01:42:56,780
I agree.

1299
01:42:57,160 --> 01:43:00,400
I don't necessarily like the decaying out of the...

1300
01:43:01,220 --> 01:43:02,460
I'm going to show you that.

1301
01:43:02,580 --> 01:43:05,560
Not only that it's at the end of the meeting, everybody's the keys.

1302
01:43:06,920 --> 01:43:07,960
And it's kind of a big deal.

1303
01:43:08,520 --> 01:43:09,100
Yeah, that's how it is.

1304
01:43:09,180 --> 01:43:11,780
I'll just say when this came to PED, I was...

1305
01:43:11,780 --> 01:43:12,400
I agree.

1306
01:43:12,700 --> 01:43:14,260
I was like, wow, this is a really big deal.

1307
01:43:14,500 --> 01:43:15,880
Not that there's anything we could do about it.

1308
01:43:15,880 --> 01:43:19,420
But I think this subdivision plan that we saw recently was a good example of...

1309
01:43:19,420 --> 01:43:24,260
I guess maybe why somebody thought this was a good idea because it wasn't that subdivision

1310
01:43:24,260 --> 01:43:29,480
plan like five years later and so many of these counselors had not seen the steps

1311
01:43:29,480 --> 01:43:35,620
leading up to that. So to me that was kind of how I came to terms with it.

1312
01:43:35,800 --> 01:43:40,600
There was definitely a little bit of a redundancy. Yes Mark. And if I can build on what

1313
01:43:40,600 --> 01:43:46,340
counselor and we'll say a lot of the when if these were to come to you your reasons for

1314
01:43:47,060 --> 01:43:50,000
And they're very, very, very technical.

1315
01:43:51,540 --> 01:43:53,920
So once they get the initial approval,

1316
01:43:54,300 --> 01:43:55,680
the subdivision is a formality.

1317
01:43:55,980 --> 01:43:57,380
It's almost a formality.

1318
01:43:58,320 --> 01:44:00,260
If it comes to you and the next council,

1319
01:44:00,320 --> 01:44:02,060
something that size, they don't like that development,

1320
01:44:02,220 --> 01:44:03,720
they still can't deny it.

1321
01:44:04,320 --> 01:44:07,880
They have to, basically, if the staff has looked at it

1322
01:44:07,880 --> 01:44:11,120
and said, yep, it's compliant, you have to approve it.

1323
01:44:11,400 --> 01:44:13,300
So I think they were also looking to show

1324
01:44:13,300 --> 01:44:17,820
the time frames for businesses that we're looking to develop as well. So it does

1325
01:44:17,820 --> 01:44:22,400
streamline things for applicants, you know, puts a little more on us on us by

1326
01:44:22,400 --> 01:44:26,520
a lot of these approvals, or ones that your hands were already tied on in

1327
01:44:26,520 --> 01:44:31,060
the back anyways. Yeah, and that is very common, the subdivision, the cycling

1328
01:44:31,060 --> 01:44:38,220
coming way after the initial incident. So, okay, first reading no

1329
01:44:38,220 --> 01:44:42,460
no other questions. All right, we'll see you in two weeks. I will entertain

1330
01:44:42,460 --> 01:44:43,660
Thank you very much and do it there.

1331
01:44:44,180 --> 01:44:46,040
I'm moved to the second home of favor.

1332
01:44:46,280 --> 01:44:46,600
Hi.