1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:04,900 This is a call to order for the highway committee meeting. We'll start with the 2 00:00:04,900 --> 00:00:06,940 Pledge of Allegiance. The flag is right back here. 3 00:00:12,950 --> 00:00:17,090 Pledge of Allegiance to the flag of the United States of America. 4 00:00:17,850 --> 00:00:21,270 Inclusionary public, which is sans, one nation, 5 00:00:21,750 --> 00:00:25,970 under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 6 00:00:26,950 --> 00:00:28,590 Have an invocation here. 7 00:00:28,590 --> 00:00:29,510 next week. 8 00:00:31,070 --> 00:00:32,350 Thank you. 9 00:00:32,770 --> 00:00:38,570 Dear Lord, we may we approach our work with wisdom, clarity, and a sincere desire to serve the safety 10 00:00:38,570 --> 00:00:40,830 and well-being of those who travel, 11 00:00:41,730 --> 00:00:46,670 grant us patience, cooperation, and steady guidance as we make decisions that shape our community's 12 00:00:46,670 --> 00:00:47,410 roads. 13 00:00:48,370 --> 00:00:52,150 Thank you for the safety during the tornado. 14 00:00:52,690 --> 00:00:56,750 May our efforts lead to safe passage and strengthen connections 15 00:00:57,670 --> 00:00:59,470 for the lasting good of everyone. 16 00:00:59,930 --> 00:01:00,510 Thank you. 17 00:01:00,730 --> 00:01:01,330 Madam 18 00:01:07,830 --> 00:01:10,670 is public comments on the agenda items. 19 00:01:11,350 --> 00:01:14,810 These are restricted to a limit of two minutes per person. 20 00:01:14,890 --> 00:01:17,430 Do we have any comments from the public? 21 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:21,260 Well, I would like to say something. 22 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:21,760 Oh, yeah. 23 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:22,440 Okay. 24 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:24,640 I'm Jackie Silva, 25 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:27,860 I'm from S88 County, Roe E. Ashkash, Wisconsin. 26 00:01:29,340 --> 00:01:34,080 We were just wanna thank him for putting some tile in, 27 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:42,200 because it's really working it's really dry even like Helene's and you know all 28 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:49,780 the way to oh Helene's place it's dry but by us it's still wet and I was 29 00:01:49,780 --> 00:01:54,020 wondering if we were going to get anything done in front of our home 30 00:01:54,020 --> 00:02:05,460 And because on March 24th, 2025, we were told by the Highway Commissioner that our tile 31 00:02:05,460 --> 00:02:06,640 was going to be put in. 32 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:10,740 He said, I promised you tile and I'm going to fix it. 33 00:02:11,140 --> 00:02:18,420 And I don't know if that's that we were left out or because I said I have pictures 34 00:02:18,420 --> 00:02:20,800 there that you can look at. 35 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:22,900 Still pretty wet by us. 36 00:02:22,900 --> 00:02:35,000 and it hadn't rained from I'd say the middle of July until the tornado and it really was always wet. 37 00:02:35,820 --> 00:02:41,160 And it would have been nice if we could have had the tile put in front of our house. 38 00:02:41,380 --> 00:02:46,340 Is it because of cost? We were wondering how much it cost for 39 00:02:46,340 --> 00:02:50,140 we're doing that little bit of tile. 40 00:02:50,500 --> 00:02:54,580 Did they use the whole 400,000 that they allotted 41 00:02:54,580 --> 00:03:00,880 for the tile or we have questions about that. 42 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:02,220 So, sure. 43 00:03:03,300 --> 00:03:07,960 And I do have the ID number on the video if you need that. 44 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:09,780 So you can look it up. 45 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:12,580 You want the ID number or not? 46 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:14,100 It's an ID and a record. 47 00:03:14,100 --> 00:03:19,960 Then there'd be record two, seven, six, two, three, three, two, four, two, one, six, two. 48 00:03:22,620 --> 00:03:28,980 So thank you. Thank you. And then I know you said the address, but what could you repeat the 49 00:03:28,980 --> 00:03:34,860 address where these pictures are from? Oh, that's right in front of Jackson Merrill's home, and 50 00:03:34,860 --> 00:03:41,440 I don't know off and he's just west of us. Ours is four, six, eight, and there's the next 51 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:43,240 House. The next House over. 52 00:03:49,250 --> 00:03:53,830 Any other comments? I don't see anyone on the team's meeting. 53 00:03:57,460 --> 00:04:03,860 If there's no other public comments, I would close that section of the meeting and I'll 54 00:04:03,860 --> 00:04:07,940 entertain an approval for the minutes from the July 27th meeting. 55 00:04:16,980 --> 00:04:19,400 All in favor say aye. 56 00:04:20,540 --> 00:04:20,540 Okay, 57 00:04:22,780 --> 00:04:32,240 so the minutes from July 27th are approved and now we'll move on to committee member comments. 58 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:35,960 Do we have any comments from the Highway Committee members themselves? 59 00:04:42,490 --> 00:04:46,710 And we'll close that section and move on to the Highway Commissioner comments. 60 00:04:53,910 --> 00:04:59,090 So we installed a drain tile, roughly 850 feet of 8 inch. 61 00:04:59,770 --> 00:05:04,930 We went on the north side of E, roughly about where storm equipment is, 62 00:05:04,950 --> 00:05:06,490 where there's two twin pipes there. 63 00:05:08,650 --> 00:05:12,230 The contractor started the installation. 64 00:05:13,210 --> 00:05:16,770 The first half of the installation, the ground was real dry. 65 00:05:16,770 --> 00:05:25,090 the second half of that was very very saturated soil in there. 66 00:05:27,270 --> 00:05:29,730 Once we once the 67 00:05:29,730 --> 00:05:38,850 contractor got to Fenzel, they were gonna end the fight there. They found the 68 00:05:38,850 --> 00:05:42,090 The Sanitary District has a manhole there. 69 00:05:43,990 --> 00:05:47,650 They dug in there, they found a riser, 70 00:05:48,850 --> 00:05:52,930 a sun-pump riser, just pouring water out. 71 00:05:54,310 --> 00:05:56,350 Contractor called the Sanitary District, 72 00:05:56,610 --> 00:06:00,790 got approval to put that into the drain tile. 73 00:06:02,610 --> 00:06:05,330 The manhole was pouring out water too. 74 00:06:07,350 --> 00:06:15,370 So put that drain tile, put that riser in that pipe, immediate at the outlet, it's pumping. 75 00:06:15,610 --> 00:06:18,270 It's been continuously pumping since we put it in. 76 00:06:19,570 --> 00:06:26,590 So needless to say, that area, that riser in that manhole has been where all the water 77 00:06:26,590 --> 00:06:27,530 has been coming from. 78 00:06:29,170 --> 00:06:34,810 The contractor told me that area that is saturated, he said it could take well over 79 00:06:34,810 --> 00:06:37,190 a year to dry that area. 80 00:06:39,210 --> 00:06:44,530 So it did dry up in that area. I mean, all it's doing is just 81 00:06:44,530 --> 00:06:50,090 taking that water from the ditch and put it in the drink tile. It's all it's doing, which 82 00:06:50,090 --> 00:06:50,970 is diverting it. 83 00:06:54,090 --> 00:06:57,930 That's about the only place we have fall in the field. Go out there 84 00:06:57,930 --> 00:07:09,570 notice we had to sink barrel in the ground to get fall in that area. So the rest of that out there, 85 00:07:10,650 --> 00:07:15,070 we can stick all kinds of drain tile in there, but where we're going to daylight, 86 00:07:15,290 --> 00:07:21,990 it's someone's going to get water. So end of the story, whatever we find upstream from that, 87 00:07:23,150 --> 00:07:30,130 whether it's going to be another span pipe or a riser, we need a place to go with the water. 88 00:07:30,710 --> 00:07:36,190 So I think the only option is to put a lift station in. I don't know if you know what kind of 89 00:07:36,190 --> 00:07:43,170 costs that's going to bring. Very expensive. I'll give costs that I'll put in a lift station in. 90 00:07:44,150 --> 00:07:53,150 But one thing too is that we didn't put a tracer wire in this drain tile. 91 00:07:54,530 --> 00:07:56,630 We will register it with your salt line. 92 00:07:57,370 --> 00:08:00,590 So every time there is a little cave, you have to pay for that. 93 00:08:00,930 --> 00:08:05,470 So we already set precedence that we're putting drain tile anywhere there's water 94 00:08:05,470 --> 00:08:06,230 on a county road. 95 00:08:06,790 --> 00:08:07,910 The precedence has been set. 96 00:08:07,910 --> 00:08:12,530 So how you want to move forward with this because there's places that have way 97 00:08:12,530 --> 00:08:18,430 more water in it than here. So there's bigger issues we have to address and how 98 00:08:18,430 --> 00:08:24,790 you want me to address those. You know, we can move forward with that. But 99 00:08:26,230 --> 00:08:31,470 elevation-wise, I mean the contractor, same thing, we just put that where we 100 00:08:31,470 --> 00:08:37,670 have elevation in there. We can clean up some of the ditches in there. We 101 00:08:37,670 --> 00:08:45,330 still have them. We did backfill after the tile was put in. That rain has 102 00:08:45,330 --> 00:08:50,170 settled down, so we'll go back out and we'll pull that material back in there 103 00:08:50,170 --> 00:08:56,630 again, let that settle out. They don't want compaction, compacted soil around 104 00:08:56,630 --> 00:09:04,470 those, so we'll have to naturally let that settle through. But definitely take 105 00:09:04,470 --> 00:09:07,510 an opportunity to go out there and watch how much water is coming out of 106 00:09:07,510 --> 00:09:09,170 that train tile that's stangered. 107 00:09:09,170 --> 00:09:09,570 I don't know. 108 00:09:09,970 --> 00:09:11,450 Where is that exactly? 109 00:09:11,830 --> 00:09:14,190 Like where will I stop to look at that? 110 00:09:14,370 --> 00:09:15,950 Right across from Storm Equipment, 111 00:09:16,130 --> 00:09:24,030 probably roughly, I'm going to say maybe 600 feet west 112 00:09:24,030 --> 00:09:26,750 of Clairville Road on the north side of the road. 113 00:09:33,430 --> 00:09:34,830 So 600 feet west? 114 00:09:35,430 --> 00:09:36,130 Yeah, roughly. 115 00:09:36,670 --> 00:09:37,410 I mean, give or take. 116 00:09:39,290 --> 00:09:41,470 There's two twin pipes that run under the road. 117 00:09:41,470 --> 00:09:46,270 storm equipment is on one side, it's directly across the road from there. 118 00:09:48,030 --> 00:09:48,630 Okay, 119 00:09:50,740 --> 00:09:57,500 so like I said we did get the okay from the sanitary district to run that in there, 120 00:09:59,380 --> 00:10:07,200 but the amount of water that was coming out of that structure was staggering and when we 121 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:13,040 The reason that sump riser was there is they put a pump in that, pump the water out so they 122 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:15,560 can get access into that structure. 123 00:10:16,500 --> 00:10:17,560 So that's why it's there. 124 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:25,580 So the water is now going into the sanitation system and then going through wastewater treatment 125 00:10:25,580 --> 00:10:27,140 or how, where does it go? 126 00:10:27,420 --> 00:10:28,120 Put it in a drain tile. 127 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:31,300 In a drain tile to where though? 128 00:10:31,660 --> 00:10:32,000 Where is it? 129 00:10:32,100 --> 00:10:32,520 Open ditch. 130 00:10:33,020 --> 00:10:35,840 Okay, so it's going into the ditch where it kind of gets into that. 131 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:45,100 And if I talked to Dan Ziegenhagen, there was actually no possibility of going through his property. 132 00:10:45,860 --> 00:10:53,040 So he told me right to my face. I can get affidavits from people that were out there that witnessed him saying that. 133 00:10:53,240 --> 00:11:00,560 I'm sure that's what you're going to want. You feel free to talk to Mr. Ziegenhagen with that. 134 00:11:00,560 --> 00:11:07,580 but an easement through his property will limit him to anything he will do in 135 00:11:07,580 --> 00:11:12,920 the future to his property, whether it's access that will greatly hamper anything 136 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:19,160 he would give to that property. Okay, so there is drain towel that's already in 137 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:23,340 there. I don't know how they're going to address it, you know, when and if that 138 00:11:23,340 --> 00:11:29,620 time comes, but you know these are our options with there. I mean the 139 00:11:29,620 --> 00:11:36,740 elevations. The only way we can do that is to sink those sumps. So if you go out there 140 00:11:36,740 --> 00:11:42,040 and look at that sump, that drain tile is down in the ground and it's just bubbling 141 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:48,680 up through the sump. So like how deep is that? The drain tile? Yeah. That pump? Probably 142 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:57,500 three feet if that. There's not a lot of fall. It's very, essentially they ran that 143 00:11:57,500 --> 00:12:04,940 flat from the outlet to the inlet. It's pretty much run flat. So right now the 144 00:12:04,940 --> 00:12:08,380 only thing that's pumping that water is how much water is coming. It's pumping 145 00:12:08,380 --> 00:12:15,140 through that, pushing it through. So like I said, all we did is we just took the 146 00:12:15,140 --> 00:12:20,500 water from on the surface and it's in a drain tile. That's all we did. It's 147 00:12:20,500 --> 00:12:25,520 just transferred that. That's where the water source is coming from. So you 148 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:30,700 you know, what's upstream, you know, there's hidden mists. 149 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:33,360 I mean, you know, down my horseshoe, 150 00:12:33,460 --> 00:12:34,820 yeah, there's water down there. 151 00:12:36,300 --> 00:12:40,160 You go past that, but roughly 125 feet is bone dry. 152 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:43,380 So it's very spotty out there. 153 00:12:44,940 --> 00:12:48,700 I don't know, my hope is that the water 154 00:12:48,700 --> 00:12:52,840 we're taking from that riser will drop that water table. 155 00:12:53,420 --> 00:13:02,560 that would be my hole so yeah I mean that's where we're at with that. So then 156 00:13:02,560 --> 00:13:06,340 the water is coming out of the ditch through the drain tile and it goes into 157 00:13:06,340 --> 00:13:11,200 like what is that like honey creek or something like that that creek it runs 158 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:15,660 to like you tomorrow that's where it ultimately has to go. Well it starts at 159 00:13:15,660 --> 00:13:22,420 and then runs down towards Clairville, roughly 600 feet away. 160 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:26,740 Where does it ultimately go? 161 00:13:27,100 --> 00:13:30,880 It runs into the Ziegenhagen property through a ditch. 162 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:35,560 So right now, we took all that water, ran there, 163 00:13:36,060 --> 00:13:39,640 it's running into that ditch, and then he's got drain tile in there. 164 00:13:40,300 --> 00:13:42,920 So wherever it goes, remember it's his property. 165 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:49,740 Yeah I mean I don't okay so so yeah that's where it's going right now okay into 166 00:13:49,740 --> 00:13:50,280 that property. 167 00:13:54,650 --> 00:13:58,510 Bob do we have a policy in the future when utilities are extended 168 00:13:58,510 --> 00:14:02,750 in our easement that they bet them in clay or bentonite so we don't create this 169 00:14:02,750 --> 00:14:06,810 situation somewhere else in the future? Bob I'm just going to tell you by 32 170 00:14:06,810 --> 00:14:13,710 years we've never had an issue. Okay. Talking to the sanitary district they 171 00:14:13,710 --> 00:14:18,410 have, they have other areas. This is not the only area. There's other targeted 172 00:14:18,410 --> 00:14:24,390 and they know where they really are. Yeah. You know, it's one of those 173 00:14:24,390 --> 00:14:32,430 things that, you know, whether do we hire an inspector for these projects, it's 174 00:14:32,430 --> 00:14:38,530 going to come at a cost, but it'll prevent these from happening. Can we do 175 00:14:38,530 --> 00:14:42,350 that as part of our permitting in our Colorado Bay, so that we don't get 176 00:14:42,350 --> 00:14:46,950 stuck Kevin to try to deal with this afterward. Yeah, I mean definitely we 177 00:14:46,950 --> 00:14:53,150 could look at that. I mean I think we need to look at at least yeah. I mean one 178 00:14:53,150 --> 00:14:57,870 thing is the state statutes there's no state statutes that say you will have a 179 00:14:57,870 --> 00:14:59,970 dry ditch. Right. There's nothing in there. 180 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:07,620 As long as it doesn't hamper the road base and they function, that's what the state statute says. 181 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:17,160 So, you know, if these ditches are no different than any other ditch that's on the county that may not be mowed, okay? 182 00:15:18,820 --> 00:15:25,560 You know, but these are the areas that where we have these is where you come out of our rural area, 183 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:31,940 up urban setting into that rural, that transition area, 184 00:15:32,100 --> 00:15:33,000 that's where you have these. 185 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:37,660 So, you know, and to be honest with you, 186 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:40,480 with Algo and Sanitary District, 187 00:15:40,700 --> 00:15:43,980 with their water in there, you know, 188 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:47,760 the city of Oshkosh is gonna have no desire 189 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:52,100 to participate in extending a curb and gutter 190 00:15:52,100 --> 00:15:53,360 out that far with solar sewer. 191 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:58,940 that's going to fall on whether the town of El Bulma and how much the county 192 00:15:58,940 --> 00:16:00,480 wants to, you know, 193 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:05,660 are taking that. So there's not, I mean, there's not a lot of 194 00:16:05,660 --> 00:16:10,700 options in the current being. This flat is, I mean, just like the previous 195 00:16:10,700 --> 00:16:14,780 study said, it's about the elevation. There's just no elevation in there. 196 00:16:14,780 --> 00:16:23,460 And like I said, the contractor, contractors that we had out there, they all said the same 197 00:16:23,460 --> 00:16:23,720 thing. 198 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:24,760 There's no water. 199 00:16:24,980 --> 00:16:31,570 Just like the engineering study said, there's no perfect solution for this. 200 00:16:32,490 --> 00:16:39,610 And the contractor said the same thing, you know, I'm happy that we found that stand 201 00:16:39,610 --> 00:16:46,370 that riser, because that's obviously that's where the water was coming from, you 202 00:16:46,830 --> 00:16:53,710 know, to try to find, you know, where the source is coming from upstream. We could 203 00:16:53,710 --> 00:16:59,990 search all the pipe that we did. We have a riser pipe in the ditch at Horseshoe, 204 00:17:02,190 --> 00:17:06,450 and that water down in there is probably the other day it was down about 205 00:17:06,450 --> 00:17:10,830 10 inches. So, you know, and it has been dry. 206 00:17:12,950 --> 00:17:15,790 But he said, I mean, our whole business is that 207 00:17:15,790 --> 00:17:23,990 maybe we draw that water table down far enough at that area that it will alleviate that water for 208 00:17:23,990 --> 00:17:31,950 that end. So, you know, those are some of the things. But like I said, you could definitely 209 00:17:31,950 --> 00:17:37,530 tell when the contractor was digging, you had dry soil and you went to an absolute saturated. 210 00:17:38,630 --> 00:17:46,030 So these areas have been saturated for, I mean, years, 15 years, whatever it's bad. 211 00:17:46,830 --> 00:17:50,510 So to dry those out, it's going to take time to do that. 212 00:17:52,590 --> 00:17:54,210 So- Is 213 00:17:57,250 --> 00:17:59,050 it possible to make a comment or not? 214 00:17:59,650 --> 00:18:00,130 Okay. 215 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:06,760 So that's what I had with that, questions. 216 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:15,440 So can I ask a question that was related to public comments? 217 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:24,640 This review? Yeah. Really, it's this project, correct? So where are they in vicinity and what you're discussing? 218 00:18:25,360 --> 00:18:29,560 Further west. They're at the further extreme to the west. Okay. 219 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:38,440 And so what I think, I heard you say is that it's really hard to tell what's the right thing 220 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:44,260 to do right now because it's so saturated and you don't necessarily have anywhere, a place 221 00:18:44,260 --> 00:18:47,400 where you might want to go, but you don't have permission to go in those areas. 222 00:18:47,860 --> 00:18:53,700 Well, I mean, the one idea would have been is to go through Ziegenhagen property, get 223 00:18:53,700 --> 00:19:02,460 easement and you lower that height as low as you can get. So even if we kept it in 224 00:19:02,460 --> 00:19:07,020 the ditch and went down to eat, that water rise in that creek could have back 225 00:19:07,020 --> 00:19:09,420 that water up and made issues worse. 226 00:19:11,820 --> 00:19:15,280 It's one of those like I mean you know 227 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:18,540 it's not always that that creek is that dry but once there's water in there 228 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:28,580 you know, it could back up into that drain tile, doing it like that. So right now, you know, we 229 00:19:28,580 --> 00:19:33,620 sunk that sump pit, that's how we were able to get the elevation. But like I said, there's, 230 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:42,160 it's flat, it's laid flat in there from, from that butt outlet to the inlet's laid flat there. 231 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:49,020 So, but the only way we could get that was to sink that in little sump pits, but right 232 00:19:49,020 --> 00:19:54,480 now the pressure, there's so much water coming out of that, that's what's, you know, forcing 233 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:56,200 that water over that. 234 00:19:56,340 --> 00:20:00,920 Otherwise we'd have to pump that water out of that little sump, but right now there's 235 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:04,780 enough water being forced through there that it's just, it's pumping out of there. 236 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:08,180 Can I share a screen? 237 00:20:13,360 --> 00:20:16,480 I guess I'm not in the meeting. I guess I couldn't do it. 238 00:20:18,980 --> 00:20:21,760 Well, if you're not in it, you have it. 239 00:20:22,180 --> 00:20:24,920 Yeah, I'll try to do it. I'll try it next time. 240 00:20:26,180 --> 00:20:33,140 I just wanted to see on Google Maps where it is from here to here, whatever. 241 00:20:34,580 --> 00:20:36,880 I can send you that tomorrow. You want to? 242 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:46,380 all for sure. Yeah, that would be good. Yeah, I see where Fensel is and I see what I think is 243 00:20:46,380 --> 00:20:51,660 where the section where it would be. But yeah, I'm going to drive out there and take a look. 244 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:01,800 Is there an average cost for a lift station approximate? 245 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:05,960 Hundreds and hundreds of thousands of dollars. 246 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:13,780 I mean, that's been a very, it's a cheaper side when you talk at lift stations like in 247 00:21:13,780 --> 00:21:14,120 the city. 248 00:21:14,360 --> 00:21:15,700 I mean, you're talking to millions of dollars. 249 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:20,060 So I mean, it just, it depends. 250 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:25,900 I mean, you were not talking, you know, how big of a structure you're going to put 251 00:21:25,900 --> 00:21:26,260 into. 252 00:21:28,060 --> 00:21:32,840 It's essentially, it's like you're some pump in your house and essentially that's 253 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:33,400 what it is. 254 00:21:33,940 --> 00:21:37,200 and you gotta pump that water out to get that out of there. 255 00:21:37,300 --> 00:21:38,520 So that's the situation we have. 256 00:21:38,620 --> 00:21:42,600 We don't have enough elevation to get that water to go. 257 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:44,640 Winnebago County is very flat. 258 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:47,220 There's every single township out here 259 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:49,260 is having the same issues. 260 00:21:49,540 --> 00:21:51,940 I mean, Brian, you can attest to that. 261 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:53,800 We've had plenty of issues out on F 262 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:55,780 and a lot of these roads, there's just, 263 00:21:56,940 --> 00:21:59,500 you can take water and move it from one spot to another 264 00:21:59,500 --> 00:22:01,260 but somebody's gonna get the water 265 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:08,560 and who you know so I mean if there was perfect place you could go with it I 266 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:13,620 mean I we've been doing this a long time it's not it's you know there's just 267 00:22:13,620 --> 00:22:19,180 nowhere to go with it they're not always secure in the winter months either 268 00:22:19,180 --> 00:22:23,440 trying to know I'm trying to find out of January we will find out just winter 269 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:30,060 during the spring what what happens so I'm just curious thank you 270 00:22:34,060 --> 00:22:35,000 the tornado 271 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:43,800 cleanup obviously on Pauley Road A from Mutart up to a Della Beach that little 272 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:49,840 section in there when we went to Monashia that day we couldn't get up to 273 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:53,260 Nita because that tornado came through just that little section of Mutart 274 00:22:53,260 --> 00:22:57,340 there and I don't want to say just that but that's where a majority of the trees 275 00:22:57,340 --> 00:23:04,020 blew onto the road at A but obviously it affected the town of Nina that whole 276 00:23:04,020 --> 00:23:11,080 area in there but a lot of those big trees on A were over the road in there 277 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:22,540 a lot of those have been cleaned up we moved up to AP and P we've been 278 00:23:22,540 --> 00:23:28,980 through those numerous times. One day we were fighting on Cutter Road Pee, so I said we had 279 00:23:28,980 --> 00:23:36,020 that construction project up there. Half of our project was completed, but half of it also got 280 00:23:36,020 --> 00:23:43,300 destroyed. So when trees were down, people were driving on sidewalks through people's yards. 281 00:23:46,340 --> 00:23:53,300 Once cleanup started, everything just got pushed out of the yards into the road on the sidewalks. 282 00:23:55,240 --> 00:24:00,880 Utility companies cut down a majority of the brand of signs that were installed to get access to power. 283 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,500 So there's a fair amount of damage up there. 284 00:24:05,500 --> 00:24:13,700 So we're going back and forth now, you know, whether, you know, on a project like this, 285 00:24:14,820 --> 00:24:22,940 you know, how do we address the damage part of that? Restoration, the seeding. Fortunately, 286 00:24:23,220 --> 00:24:27,540 a lot of the areas, the seeding came up really well, but it did blow a lot of the 287 00:24:27,540 --> 00:24:33,080 ematting off of the road. So the emattings all rolled up. The grass is coming through. 288 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:43,640 we've removed a lot of brush and trees through that area. One thing too I'm 289 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:48,420 gonna throw out there is I'm getting a lot of bills from the other day I got a 290 00:24:48,420 --> 00:24:52,780 bill for about $30,000 to the Woodbury County Highway Department for removing 291 00:24:52,780 --> 00:25:02,040 trees on private property. I've talked to the companies on Illinois so 292 00:25:04,420 --> 00:25:11,580 they told me they're in Indiana working on tornadoes in that area so I haven't 293 00:25:11,580 --> 00:25:16,600 been able to get hold of the owner to find out but as of right now I mean we 294 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:21,840 got about $30,000 in charges that were charged to us so working on getting 295 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:28,320 those cleared up from what I gathered was the vendor the contractor was in 296 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:35,080 there may, I don't know if they had permission to come to trees on this property or not, 297 00:25:35,660 --> 00:25:39,680 but they didn't have any building address or anything, so they just went on GIS and pulled 298 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:49,410 up the parcel description and then just assumed that the road was Winnebago County, so working 299 00:25:49,410 --> 00:25:53,430 through that I have a feeling maybe we're probably going to see more of those. 300 00:25:54,330 --> 00:25:58,130 I'll keep working on those to take care of those. 301 00:25:58,510 --> 00:26:01,810 Obviously, I mean, we're not gonna pay them. 302 00:26:02,710 --> 00:26:05,830 I'm hoping that we can address this 303 00:26:05,830 --> 00:26:08,570 without going through Marianna Corporation Council 304 00:26:08,570 --> 00:26:10,290 and making this a big thing. 305 00:26:11,250 --> 00:26:16,830 I'm pretty confident that working with the contractor 306 00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:18,810 should be able to figure that out. 307 00:26:18,970 --> 00:26:21,290 I mean, it's private property, we didn't authorize it. 308 00:26:21,290 --> 00:26:25,150 So I'll keep working on that. 309 00:26:25,850 --> 00:26:30,410 The Monash shed, we did get all the debris cleaned out 310 00:26:30,410 --> 00:26:33,510 of that lean-to area. 311 00:26:35,670 --> 00:26:38,950 We did start taking salt deliveries today. 312 00:26:40,190 --> 00:26:42,370 Salt got delivered today in Oshkosh, 313 00:26:42,810 --> 00:26:45,230 but we needed to get salt into that shed up there. 314 00:26:46,930 --> 00:26:53,790 So, I did talk to the original contractor that built the facility. 315 00:26:55,270 --> 00:27:01,370 He will be in town Thursday to start working on an estimate for that. 316 00:27:01,570 --> 00:27:04,230 So we have all the debris cleaned out of that. 317 00:27:04,990 --> 00:27:11,190 We will get our chloride tanks moved out of there, so it will be wide open for the 318 00:27:11,190 --> 00:27:12,230 contractor to get in there. 319 00:27:12,230 --> 00:27:13,610 So are we talking about the salt shed? 320 00:27:14,290 --> 00:27:15,470 Yeah, no, okay, yep. 321 00:27:16,590 --> 00:27:19,490 So Thursday, he should start in that. 322 00:27:19,670 --> 00:27:24,110 I did get, I project managed that, 323 00:27:24,430 --> 00:27:28,130 we the county built it, built that for the state. 324 00:27:30,050 --> 00:27:32,050 All the paperwork I had, I gave to the DOT, 325 00:27:32,230 --> 00:27:33,090 I did get that back, 326 00:27:33,250 --> 00:27:34,970 but the contractor does have all that. 327 00:27:35,070 --> 00:27:39,230 So he has all the electrical sheets, 328 00:27:39,530 --> 00:27:40,170 he has everything. 329 00:27:40,170 --> 00:27:48,150 things. So should be able to get prices for that really quick. So I'm hoping by 330 00:27:48,150 --> 00:27:52,350 the middle of next week or at the end of next week that we have some prices 331 00:27:52,350 --> 00:27:59,770 coming in to get that. My hopes are that we can get the salt shed roof patch 332 00:27:59,770 --> 00:28:03,090 back in, put the sheeting on the side that we can at least get salt inside 333 00:28:03,090 --> 00:28:08,090 and then we'll be in two part we can work around that if we have to if it 334 00:28:08,090 --> 00:28:12,990 drags into, you know, December, we can work around that. 335 00:28:13,450 --> 00:28:18,870 So it's good that we're able to get hold of that contractor 336 00:28:19,610 --> 00:28:25,250 with that and that should expedite the whole process here. 337 00:28:25,710 --> 00:28:28,070 So I've been working with Andy Jennings 338 00:28:28,070 --> 00:28:31,050 with risk management the whole process through this. 339 00:28:31,370 --> 00:28:35,690 So I said I'm hoping that by the end of next week 340 00:28:35,690 --> 00:28:41,370 that we're well on our way to get that taken care of up there but one thing is 341 00:28:41,370 --> 00:28:46,370 though is these areas that we are cleaning it up in Monashia you know we 342 00:28:46,370 --> 00:28:51,570 clean up and the weekend comes and it's filled back in so and this is it's 343 00:28:51,570 --> 00:28:55,150 gonna it's this isn't gonna happen next week we're gonna be finished this is 344 00:28:55,150 --> 00:29:00,490 gonna drag on you know some people just you know whether you know they 345 00:29:00,490 --> 00:29:02,950 work out of town and didn't have the time to clean up but they're 346 00:29:02,950 --> 00:29:08,770 starting to get to the cleanup process now. So, um, so that it'll be a, I would 347 00:29:08,770 --> 00:29:14,790 imagine they're going to fall, you know, it's not going to be as widespread a 348 00:29:14,790 --> 00:29:19,730 cleanup, but we still will get the occasional trees coming out. And so we'll 349 00:29:19,730 --> 00:29:25,750 keep working on that as we, um, as we keep finish up on that. 350 00:29:25,950 --> 00:29:29,830 Are you talking about like picking stuff up that's like out on the curb 351 00:29:29,830 --> 00:29:31,290 or with stuff like that. 352 00:29:31,290 --> 00:29:34,510 I mean, you started out with the brush, 353 00:29:35,070 --> 00:29:37,450 but now you're getting tires, you're getting concrete, 354 00:29:37,970 --> 00:29:40,070 you're getting full stumps. 355 00:29:42,010 --> 00:29:43,730 Whole houses were pushed out on the, 356 00:29:45,030 --> 00:29:48,250 so that's the type of debris you're looking at now. 357 00:29:48,410 --> 00:29:52,230 So now you're getting like furniture and, 358 00:29:53,370 --> 00:29:54,770 so it's different debris. 359 00:29:54,950 --> 00:29:57,790 It's not like the brush and the trees, 360 00:29:57,790 --> 00:29:59,830 we keep separate and that's a cheaper. 361 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:06,440 But when you start getting into the demolition part, then the price goes up with that. And so, 362 00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:11,860 you know, we're, we're, we are working with the local, you know, city of Manascio, Village 363 00:30:11,860 --> 00:30:19,160 of Fox Crossing up there. You know, the, we have jurisdiction on the roads, but those 364 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:25,740 people are in those local areas. But, you know, we, we just can't leave the materials 365 00:30:25,740 --> 00:30:30,200 sit out there. I mean we have an obligation to keep the roads open and safe and that that's what we're 366 00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:37,060 doing. So could you help me understand like how that works? Like I'm trying to envision like what 367 00:30:37,060 --> 00:30:43,600 that means. Like a truck comes by and guys just kind of load this stuff into like a dump truck or 368 00:30:44,300 --> 00:30:49,280 how are we cleaning up? Yeah, how are we? How's that? So we have our pay loaders, 369 00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:50,800 our wheel loaders. 370 00:30:50,980 --> 00:30:51,360 Oh, okay. 371 00:30:51,420 --> 00:30:52,240 And they got Clam buckets. 372 00:30:52,580 --> 00:30:52,800 Yeah. 373 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:57,640 And so we go out there, you take that bucket, 374 00:30:57,980 --> 00:31:00,580 you load those up and then we load them into a triac 375 00:31:00,580 --> 00:31:02,260 or a quad axle dump truck. 376 00:31:02,780 --> 00:31:04,780 Oh, and then we haul them up to Audigini County 377 00:31:04,780 --> 00:31:05,600 on the landfill. 378 00:31:06,460 --> 00:31:07,000 Okay, cool. 379 00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:08,320 So, yeah. 380 00:31:12,530 --> 00:31:14,330 And that's something else we'll talk about too, 381 00:31:14,430 --> 00:31:18,150 is we're borrowing two Clam buckets. 382 00:31:18,830 --> 00:31:20,350 Highway Department doesn't have those. 383 00:31:20,350 --> 00:31:26,570 so we were borrowing those from Solid Waste, we're looking at purchasing one of 384 00:31:26,570 --> 00:31:33,190 their used ones right now. The one we were using, they sold the loader that went 385 00:31:33,190 --> 00:31:38,970 with that loader, but it's somewhere to talk about later coming up that we're 386 00:31:38,970 --> 00:31:44,470 probably gonna have to look at, you know, purchasing a grapple bucket like 387 00:31:44,470 --> 00:31:48,910 that for situations like this. So it's a whole other thing we'll work on, but 388 00:31:48,910 --> 00:31:51,670 But that's how the process works when we're cleaning up up there. 389 00:31:55,330 --> 00:31:58,910 Last thing I had was the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration. 390 00:32:00,710 --> 00:32:02,850 It's called the Drug and Alcohol Clearing House. 391 00:32:05,090 --> 00:32:15,310 So back in 2020, the federal government came out with this clearing house and basically 392 00:32:15,310 --> 00:32:20,470 what it is is for anybody that has a CDL that drives a commercial vehicle. 393 00:32:23,050 --> 00:32:24,650 What it does is that 394 00:32:25,270 --> 00:32:30,950 there is companies out there that say somebody does have a violation with their drug and alcohol 395 00:32:30,950 --> 00:32:31,450 testing. 396 00:32:33,650 --> 00:32:39,670 Before it even gets in the system, they're quitting employers and then moving on to the 397 00:32:39,670 --> 00:32:48,490 one. And they're not catching up to these. They keep jumping. So we've never had a situation 398 00:32:49,020 --> 00:32:54,750 like this. This is one of those that there's probably very few people out there that this 399 00:32:54,750 --> 00:33:02,490 affects. But obviously, they implemented this program. So we've pushed it off as long as we 400 00:33:02,490 --> 00:33:08,390 could. But now we have to comply. So I've been working with human resources. So we set a date 401 00:33:08,390 --> 00:33:15,670 of September 1st to have all this information in. So what this is doing is each one of our 402 00:33:15,670 --> 00:33:22,910 employees has to set up an account. They go online, they set up their own account and it's 403 00:33:23,590 --> 00:33:31,050 their email, they're in charge of that. So if they would ever have a violation on their drug 404 00:33:31,050 --> 00:33:45,210 drug and alcohol testing, they have to update that on their site and that is their account 405 00:33:45,210 --> 00:33:50,970 that follows them. So, but one thing the county has to do is once a year we have to do a query 406 00:33:50,970 --> 00:33:55,030 on all our employees. We have to go in there and make sure every one of our employees 407 00:33:55,030 --> 00:34:02,050 is it doesn't have any violations. With that, like I said, we've never had an issue with 408 00:34:02,050 --> 00:34:09,770 this in the past. I don't foresee this being anything different with that, but it's just 409 00:34:09,770 --> 00:34:17,010 one of those that we have to abide by those. And so we will get in before the deadline 410 00:34:17,010 --> 00:34:18,850 and meet everything in there. 411 00:34:19,190 --> 00:34:25,190 So, like I said, this is the few bad apples 412 00:34:25,190 --> 00:34:31,340 that are out there that are causing this, 413 00:34:31,540 --> 00:34:33,480 but essentially when it comes right down to it, 414 00:34:33,540 --> 00:34:36,020 like I said, is you will log in there, 415 00:34:36,260 --> 00:34:38,780 we will do our query once a year that we're required. 416 00:34:39,380 --> 00:34:40,860 If anything comes up on that, 417 00:34:42,340 --> 00:34:43,840 we'll notify the employee, 418 00:34:44,240 --> 00:34:46,000 they should be well aware of that. 419 00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:53,940 But that's kind of what's going on, where we did, we met with all our employees, everybody 420 00:34:53,940 --> 00:34:57,440 knows about it, we set the September 1st deadline. 421 00:34:58,340 --> 00:35:02,620 As of today, we've got maybe three or four people. 422 00:35:02,780 --> 00:35:07,360 So what they have to do is they have to log in to the site, set up their account, and 423 00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:15,280 then there's two separate forms they have to sign, and all that is giving permission 424 00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:24,620 for Winneville County to do a query to check that. So they set up their account once that account 425 00:35:24,620 --> 00:35:32,980 is in there and then once we get those forms back everything's done. Like I said we only have three 426 00:35:32,980 --> 00:35:38,880 or four people that still have to do it. Some of them have been on different jobs and so they're 427 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:44,280 back this week so we should have all this taken care of in plenty of time before that September 428 00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:46,440 September 1st, our September 1st deadline, 429 00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:47,920 that we wanted this all done. 430 00:35:48,340 --> 00:35:52,440 So kind of interesting. 431 00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:56,320 So is this one with a CDL or? 432 00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:58,340 Yes, any with the CDL. 433 00:35:58,460 --> 00:36:00,000 And how many, how many? 434 00:36:00,260 --> 00:36:01,540 So I have a CDL. 435 00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:08,500 So I filled mine out and like online takes about 10 minutes. 436 00:36:09,540 --> 00:36:12,580 We kind of, we made up some, we cleared off, 437 00:36:12,580 --> 00:36:19,920 We printed out directions for each employee and then gave them those forms to sign. 438 00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:27,080 So we had options some which I didn't know that but we do have some employees that are in areas 439 00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:36,600 that do not have internet access which puzzles me that we still have communities that don't have 440 00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:43,900 that. But then we will provide time for them to log into our system and that. So, like I said, 441 00:36:44,180 --> 00:36:55,880 we'll need a couple. So, yeah, our hope is by the end of this week that everything is in and done 442 00:36:55,880 --> 00:37:03,870 and put that in the rearview mirror, so, um, and that. 443 00:37:06,740 --> 00:37:09,700 So, you said that's an annual thing. 444 00:37:09,980 --> 00:37:10,080 Correct. 445 00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:11,840 How does an annual thing for them to do? 446 00:37:12,580 --> 00:37:20,620 No, once it's a one-time registration, but it's an annual for Winnebago County to do the query on their employees. 447 00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:28,180 So, if an employee leaves employment at the county, wherever he goes, he will take his account. 448 00:37:28,180 --> 00:37:34,480 And then he has to talk to his owner and they have to put him in their system and 449 00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:38,340 Get access to their their files. So 450 00:37:38,980 --> 00:37:45,840 So, yeah, this sticks with that employee wherever they go. It's there's the manage and 451 00:37:46,540 --> 00:37:52,040 Kind of things does that track that's outside of like that the DMV would not have on record 452 00:37:53,380 --> 00:37:57,200 So basically you're drug and alcohol testing. Oh 453 00:38:00,020 --> 00:38:10,860 I'm sure you heard some of those stories that somebody may have violated, tested positive, 454 00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:17,840 but it's not until their court date that it's actually guilty, so that kind of drag can 455 00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:25,000 drag on for a long time so you know I'm sure you know people can get clever how 456 00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:33,180 they do that drag it out right before the court date seek other employment 457 00:38:33,180 --> 00:38:39,020 somewhere and they don't know that so like I said I don't think we're ever 458 00:38:39,020 --> 00:38:43,100 going to have to test these waters I think it's just one of there's a few 459 00:38:43,100 --> 00:38:47,580 people that this around the country that this has happened and this is how 460 00:38:47,580 --> 00:38:51,100 they're going to, you know, take care of that. So, 461 00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:57,860 okay, I 462 00:39:00,070 --> 00:39:01,590 think that wraps up the 463 00:39:01,590 --> 00:39:10,150 commissioner comments. Then we have no business items on the agenda. Our next 464 00:39:10,150 --> 00:39:17,290 meeting date, oh gee, I forgot to look what that was. September 28th. September 28th. 465 00:39:17,350 --> 00:39:21,670 I looked it up. Oh, okay, thank you. September 28th. 466 00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:25,140 Okay, I just, oh, I had 467 00:39:25,140 --> 00:39:28,000 I'm sorry, I had a question for Bob. 468 00:39:29,220 --> 00:39:33,620 Would it be possible for us to do like a highway shop tour, 469 00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:35,500 like a tour for the committee here? 470 00:39:36,140 --> 00:39:36,580 Absolutely. 471 00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:38,900 Yeah, we'd like to get something together, 472 00:39:41,850 --> 00:39:44,170 like an afternoon or something like that. 473 00:39:44,310 --> 00:39:45,050 Yeah, OK. 474 00:39:45,570 --> 00:39:48,450 Is that, like, how long would that be, you think? 475 00:39:50,530 --> 00:39:52,850 I think when we did Coney Board, it was like, 476 00:39:53,450 --> 00:39:54,870 I think we kind of had an hour. 477 00:39:54,870 --> 00:40:01,610 and that was like pushing it but I think it would be great for you to go 478 00:40:01,610 --> 00:40:05,870 through there and see these issues that we're having right now and why we're 479 00:40:05,870 --> 00:40:12,570 looking at you know this adding on or you know help us because I think you 480 00:40:12,570 --> 00:40:16,950 once you come through there and see our equipment and see what's going on you'll 481 00:40:16,950 --> 00:40:20,430 give you a better grasp when you start looking at our options of what they're 482 00:40:20,430 --> 00:40:22,970 to do all of their sold. 483 00:40:23,850 --> 00:40:28,630 If you just let me know, say an hour of just pushing it, that means it's not enough or 484 00:40:28,630 --> 00:40:29,510 that's too much time. 485 00:40:30,430 --> 00:40:33,370 When you said an hour would be pushing it. 486 00:40:33,490 --> 00:40:38,070 I think an hour might not be enough time, an hour and a half, an hour and a half, okay. 487 00:40:38,270 --> 00:40:41,550 And then we can, at least we can touch everything on the growls. 488 00:40:41,570 --> 00:40:41,790 Okay. 489 00:40:41,870 --> 00:40:42,610 And you can see it. 490 00:40:42,770 --> 00:40:47,430 I hate to, like, you know, not show you something and then when the budget time 491 00:40:47,430 --> 00:40:52,570 comes around when we start talking about the building you know it's your committee that 492 00:40:52,570 --> 00:40:58,370 hey you did see this and you can say hey I saw this myself the issues that that were out there so 493 00:40:58,370 --> 00:41:05,530 okay we'll try to set something up and then we'll move that forward a little bit okay yeah 494 00:41:05,530 --> 00:41:14,310 sounds good otherwise there's no other comments I'll entertain the motion to adjourn 495 00:41:15,050 --> 00:41:17,830 So move to adjourn. 496 00:41:21,220 --> 00:41:24,400 Second by Supervisor Gostasen. 497 00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:28,480 All in favor say aye. 498 00:41:28,820 --> 00:41:31,540 Aye. Aye. Meeting adjourned. Thank you. 499 00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:38,040 I assume any two are involved in the meeting. 500 00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:49,820 Okay, all right, so.