[0:00] you go
[0:02] good evening one everyone and welcome to
[0:04] the winnetka village council regular
[0:06] meeting for may 17 2022. i'd like to
[0:09] call the meeting to order and ask that
[0:11] everyone mute or turn off your cell
[0:13] phone or other electronic devices which
[0:16] i am doing right now
[0:18] and
[0:19] i will lead us in the pledge of
[0:20] allegiance this evening
[0:30] to the republic for which it stands
[0:32] one nation under god indivisible with
[0:36] liberty and justice for all
[0:41] thank you everyone well
[0:43] for what it's worth rob can you please
[0:44] check quorum uh i would uh
[0:47] oh attendance right yeah no i'm going to
[0:49] do roll call robo oh i'm sorry trustee
[0:50] swerk here
[0:52] trustee cripe here trustee mancini here
[0:55] president ritz president and then quorum
[0:58] check for the month of june
[0:59] my only possible no is june 7th
[1:02] okay i've got a
[1:04] meeting in cincinnati
[1:06] i'm gonna be driving back and hopefully
[1:07] we'll make it but no guarantees okay
[1:10] all the other dates look over i have
[1:12] another kid graduating from something
[1:14] okay
[1:14] so
[1:15] seventh seventh yeah okay it's hard to
[1:18] keep track
[1:19] it's one of them from one of the schools
[1:21] okay thank you randy
[1:24] all right thank you all right item
[1:26] number four public comment
[1:28] uh if there is anyone here in the room
[1:30] this evening who wishes to address
[1:32] village council on an item that is not
[1:34] on the uh
[1:36] agenda you're welcome to come up to the
[1:38] podium and share your thoughts with us
[1:41] would anybody this evening like to speak
[1:43] on behalf of something not on the agenda
[1:48] seeing none i'll close public comment
[1:50] we'll move forward with reports trustees
[1:53] john any report um sure i'll just last
[1:56] week's just for people who maybe didn't
[1:57] listen last week or see it on tv last
[2:00] week's study session that presented the
[2:03] possible post office site that
[2:06] chris did mr rest did a great job
[2:08] presenting uh i encourage you all to
[2:10] take a look on the website i'm sure it's
[2:11] on there
[2:12] and see what could happen there wow
[2:14] thanks john sure
[2:17] andy no report kim no report okay
[2:21] village attorney no report tonight
[2:23] village manager i'll report this evening
[2:25] and uh i could talk a lot but i have no
[2:27] report you guys listened to me enough
[2:29] last week so
[2:32] okay moving on item six approval of the
[2:35] agenda does any trustee wish to remove
[2:37] an item on the consent agenda for a
[2:39] separate vote
[2:42] hearing none may i have a motion to
[2:44] approve the final form of the consent
[2:46] agenda so moved second voice vote all
[2:49] those in favor aye opposed that motion
[2:52] carries
[2:53] uh item seven we'll move on to the
[2:55] consent agenda and i'll ask the village
[2:56] clerk to read the items on the consent
[2:58] agenda thank you approval of the village
[3:00] council meeting minutes for april 19
[3:02] 2022 regular meeting approval of the
[3:05] warrant list dated april 19 through may
[3:08] 2nd 2022 in the amount of 1 million 756
[3:12] 541 dollars and 4 cents resolution
[3:15] number r 62
[3:17] 2022
[3:18] approving a contract with wesco
[3:20] distribution incorporated for the
[3:21] purchase of single phase pad mount
[3:23] transformers
[3:25] resolution number r63 2022 approving a
[3:28] contract with wesco distribution
[3:30] incorporated for the purchase of
[3:31] single-phase pole mount transformers
[3:34] and resolution number r 66 2022
[3:37] approving a contract with lakes and
[3:39] rivers contracting incorporated for the
[3:42] repair of pure brace
[3:44] all right thank you rob may i have a
[3:46] motion to approve the consent agenda by
[3:48] omnibus vote
[3:50] so moved
[3:51] second
[3:52] roll call vote trustee mancini yes
[3:56] trustee cripe yes trustee swerk yes
[3:58] president rents yes
[4:00] all right item eight ordinance and
[4:02] ordinances and resolutions uh our first
[4:05] item is ordinance number m10 2022
[4:08] sarah dippold interior design studio 906
[4:12] green bay road special use permit this
[4:14] is up for introduction and or possible
[4:16] adoption
[4:17] council will be considering a special
[4:19] use permit for sarah depol
[4:22] interior design studio allowing the
[4:24] existing interior design office to
[4:27] remain on the subject property
[4:29] community development director david
[4:31] shone is here to review
[4:33] uh good evening just briefly um
[4:37] sarah dippel who is here
[4:39] approached village staff in 2019 about
[4:41] opening a home good store
[4:44] with incidental design services
[4:46] which she did
[4:48] and then as we all know shortly
[4:50] thereafter
[4:51] the pandemic set in and since then sarah
[4:54] has realized she needs to change her
[4:56] business model
[4:58] to predominantly interior design
[5:00] services
[5:02] though she will make her display area
[5:05] available to the public
[5:07] by appointment
[5:10] her request was presented to the plan
[5:13] commission and the planned commission
[5:14] unanimously recommended approval
[5:18] and with that i'd be happy to answer any
[5:20] questions you may have on this request
[5:22] i'm sure if you'd like to hear from
[5:24] sarah
[5:25] she is here if you need to hear from her
[5:28] awesome
[5:29] uh yes sarah i'll ask you to say a few
[5:31] words but any questions for david on
[5:33] this
[5:34] no question nope
[5:36] uh why don't you come up and just tell
[5:37] us a little bit about what happened and
[5:39] what you're doing
[5:43] can i put this on top of this or do you
[5:44] want me to close it
[5:46] does it matter
[5:48] okay can you guys hear me
[5:51] okay
[5:52] hello
[5:53] i wrote something that i presented um a
[5:56] couple weeks ago now that i'd like to
[5:58] read again because i had a long work day
[5:59] and by the time we get to this hour i
[6:01] don't want to fumble so i'm going to
[6:02] read it
[6:03] if you want i mean i don't know how much
[6:04] of the you probably didn't hear anything
[6:06] from the last meeting other than what
[6:07] david just presented so it's just a
[6:09] quick recap about
[6:11] kind of where i'm at and why i made the
[6:12] decision i made to request this
[6:15] okay
[6:16] um so i hope i'm addressing you right i
[6:18] said good morning to you members of the
[6:19] plan commission thank you for making the
[6:21] time to consider my request i am seeking
[6:23] approval for a special use permit for my
[6:25] tenancy at 906 green bay road in
[6:27] winnetka as a luxury interior design
[6:30] firm
[6:30] before i begin i would like to note that
[6:32] i have received over 20 letters from my
[6:34] neighboring businesses in support of
[6:36] this special use request
[6:38] and i'm overwhelmed and touched by this
[6:40] and then also the approval um from the
[6:41] last meeting was wonderful to receive
[6:45] just a little bit about the hubberwoods
[6:46] design and dine which i know is not
[6:48] officially part of the village but it's
[6:50] been a great um it's been a great sort of
[6:54] development that um cynthia burr and
[6:57] rita i think ridabaggio had a lot to do
[6:59] with it too from benvenito and stein so
[7:02] a little bit about that the hubbard
[7:03] woods design and dine community of
[7:04] designers architects galleries salons
[7:07] and restaurants is rare and i have been
[7:09] so happy to be a part of it pre-pandemic
[7:11] we had plans to do some unique events
[7:13] community-wide and we hosted
[7:15] neighborhood events like first friday
[7:18] and then i talked a little bit about
[7:19] cynthia and rita which i just did
[7:21] [Music]
[7:22] but we continue to discuss ways to
[7:24] enhance and improve consumer experiences
[7:26] by hosting events neighborhood wide
[7:29] we have enjoyed shopping and eating with
[7:31] our neighboring businesses and when our
[7:33] clients come to meet with us in our
[7:34] studio they also enjoy shopping and
[7:36] eating with our neighboring businesses
[7:38] so on to why i'm here and requesting
[7:40] this special use permit
[7:42] i intend to focus my business solely on
[7:44] interior design at this time with that
[7:46] said however the gallery setting and
[7:48] beautiful window display that i have
[7:49] created will be maintained and the
[7:51] public is welcome to shop the gallery on
[7:53] a buy appointment only basis
[7:55] the gallery consists of items
[7:57] for sale ranging from ethnographic art
[7:59] sculptures and mountain mineral special
[8:01] specimens excuse me from around the
[8:03] world to fine art and luxury furniture
[8:06] when the pandemic started i transitioned
[8:08] my office from the back of my space at
[8:09] 906 green bay road to my home office in
[8:11] glencoe to be closer to my children
[8:14] this is where i had run my business for
[8:15] over 11 years before moving to the space
[8:17] at 906 green bay road throughout the
[8:20] pandemic the gallery was closed and i
[8:21] stayed in communication with david
[8:24] and my landlord hoffman
[8:26] about this decision and as months turn
[8:28] to years i also conveyed that i did not
[8:30] see transitioning back to a retail
[8:32] gallery with regular retail hours
[8:35] um my landlord hoffman and i would like
[8:37] to move forward and finalize a new
[8:38] long-term lease however since i don't
[8:40] wish to keep these retail hours i wanted
[8:42] to make sure that i could get this okay
[8:44] from the village of wineca before doing
[8:46] so
[8:47] as mentioned even with this change i
[8:49] will still be open by appointment if the
[8:50] public wishes to shop my gallery in fact
[8:53] throughout the pandemic i accommodated
[8:55] several meetings with members of the
[8:56] public who wish to purchase items that
[8:58] they viewed through my windows it was
[8:59] unreal and i accommodated and it was
[9:01] great it worked out for everybody
[9:03] so that also
[9:06] gave me some insight as to how it could
[9:07] work as by appointment only you know and
[9:09] that there would be a response that
[9:10] people wanted to get and i could make
[9:12] that happen
[9:13] um
[9:14] i know there was a concern around my
[9:16] business demand for parking
[9:18] as noted in my pack and i am working to
[9:20] secure one to two permanent parking
[9:21] spaces in the rear of my building owned
[9:24] by my landlord hoffman in my new lease
[9:27] [Music]
[9:28] david had asked me to answer a few
[9:30] questions about like what the day to day
[9:32] is like so we usually have one to two
[9:34] client meetings in the studio per day
[9:36] those visits last usually around two
[9:38] hours one to two hours sometimes a
[9:40] little bit longer
[9:42] it's usually about two people sometimes
[9:44] it's three or four if there's an
[9:46] architect or builder or
[9:48] like an engineer or trade that needs to
[9:50] be present
[9:51] the time of day varies week to week but
[9:53] um
[9:54] it's four to eight meetings per week
[9:56] anytime between around 8 30 to 4 p.m
[9:58] um
[10:00] ann asked me to talk about the square
[10:01] footage which was 1200 square feet
[10:04] uh about
[10:06] okay i would like to add that moving my
[10:08] business operations
[10:09] for oh this gets into i don't know if he
[10:12] cares too much about this but my
[10:13] business
[10:14] my interior design business has a sales
[10:16] tax that is submitted through glencoe
[10:18] which is where i where my residence is
[10:19] and where my business had been before so
[10:21] i never transitioned it over to waneka
[10:23] but with this change that transition
[10:25] will will happen and from what i
[10:27] understand the village of winneco would
[10:28] then benefit from the sales tax that i
[10:30] collect for my interior design business
[10:31] which is
[10:32] a lot more than what i collect for the
[10:34] gallery so that's a plus um as you know
[10:37] i've submitted answers to the 14
[10:38] questions as part of the submittal
[10:39] process for my application in regards to
[10:42] the questions i'd like to reiterate that
[10:43] my business is a luxury interior design
[10:45] firm
[10:46] seeks to serve our community and if
[10:48] anything improve the business district
[10:50] and add value to the community our goal
[10:52] is to help our clients elevate their
[10:54] living environments which in turn
[10:55] elevates their property value and should
[10:57] hopefully elevate surrounding property
[10:59] values as well
[11:00] i love serving this community i was
[11:02] raised in wilmette and have lived and
[11:03] raised my two boys in glencoe for the
[11:05] past 12 years
[11:07] i love what i do i love interacting with
[11:09] clients and builders and real estate
[11:10] agents from the area
[11:12] and others who work in and
[11:15] around our our beloved north shore
[11:18] in closing my business has grown and
[11:19] evolved over the last few years since i
[11:21] opened my doors at 906 green bay road
[11:23] the pandemic did have a lot to do with
[11:25] our restructuring
[11:27] and i feel i will not be able to operate
[11:29] the way i need to
[11:30] for my interior design business if i'm
[11:32] required to
[11:33] excuse me maintain retail hours i'd like
[11:35] to stay in the beautiful space that i've
[11:37] created and continue to build my
[11:39] business here thank you again for your
[11:40] consideration
[11:42] okay any questions for sarah
[11:45] no
[11:46] couple questions well one question
[11:48] appreciate the honesty working with the
[11:49] city
[11:50] figuring that
[11:52] you were transitioning to a different
[11:53] business model and not just trying to be
[11:55] under the radar that's awesome
[11:57] seems like it's a great synergy with
[11:58] other businesses in the area
[12:00] even if you're not doing the retail end
[12:02] of it my only question you mentioned
[12:03] sales tax interior design how is how do
[12:06] you get sales tax so i'm trying to
[12:07] figure that out but i i'm trying to
[12:09] figure out exactly how this all works
[12:10] but but um you know i sell product as a
[12:12] designer so i sell a lot of product i
[12:13] sell a lot of furniture and rugs and
[12:15] accessories and window treatments and
[12:16] all kinds of things that are that we
[12:18] collect collect excuse me collect tax on
[12:20] and right now my business is still
[12:22] located technically physically in
[12:24] glencoe okay so with this transition
[12:26] that would be transitioning and i think
[12:28] that means that those sales tax dollars
[12:30] would go towards to a netca and that is
[12:32] a whole lot more than
[12:35] what would have been coming in for the
[12:36] gallery
[12:37] that's the only questions i have thanks
[12:38] okay you're welcome thank you
[12:40] um so
[12:41] i wasn't saying i was in the plan
[12:42] committee i'm a liaison for the plan
[12:44] commission so i heard your your um talk
[12:47] then and the commission had a lot of
[12:49] questions for you and you vetted them
[12:51] all out and they left very satisfied
[12:54] with your request and as david mentioned
[12:56] it was unanimous to approve it so just
[12:58] some anecdotal information about that
[12:59] meeting sure the only the only question
[13:01] i have is is so i'm hearing from you a
[13:04] commitment to start billing from 6093
[13:08] yes you mean you mean technically
[13:10] relocating the yes yeah yeah that's the
[13:12] goal i mean if this transition happens
[13:14] then that would be that would be the
[13:16] permanent
[13:17] physical business address you know for
[13:19] years to come and like i said i'm
[13:20] working with hoffman to towards a
[13:22] long-term lease which i'd really like to
[13:24] have happen and so if it does yeah that
[13:25] transition's a big part of this okay
[13:28] are you okay with that
[13:31] it's all
[13:32] filings with their sales tax in the
[13:34] illinois department of revenue okay
[13:37] all right if you since you guys don't
[13:38] have any other questions or comments uh
[13:40] we'll see if we can move this along
[13:42] uh
[13:44] we can't
[13:46] oh we can
[13:50] but it's okay for me to vote on that yes
[13:52] okay
[13:54] do we want to uh
[13:55] wave
[13:57] yeah
[13:58] i have no problem with that but any
[13:59] public comments
[14:00] yeah i had one more comment too oh go
[14:02] ahead guys i'm sorry um
[14:04] we've visited on this a few times over
[14:08] my years um and i've never fully gotten
[14:10] my way on this i don't think design
[14:12] businesses should have to come in for
[14:14] this i agree um so if we could get that
[14:17] back on the radar i sense we may have a
[14:20] majority support for that at this point
[14:21] whereas in the past we did not
[14:24] um because
[14:25] you have
[14:26] other things you could be doing no i
[14:28] apologi
[14:31] i didn't want to get all this going and
[14:32] then be in the wrong direction so i just
[14:35] um but it is nice because just seeing um
[14:38] i just saw bella bridle is moving in across the
[14:41] street from their their other location
[14:43] and you know there were so many
[14:44] vacancies when i first came in that it's
[14:47] just i want to stay and it's so vibrant
[14:48] now and town and oak is a big part of
[14:50] that and
[14:51] it's just a great spot and i'm happy i'm
[14:52] there one thing that came up just in
[14:54] terms of the retail overlay is that
[14:56] parking has become difficult with the
[14:58] success of town and oak and spirit
[14:59] elephant and so
[15:01] not saying that i don't want consumers
[15:02] to be coming in by appointment regularly
[15:04] but having a couple consumers come in
[15:06] for a two-hour time span is alleviating
[15:08] some of the burden on parking for
[15:10] residents as well as people coming from
[15:11] other towns especially with serena and
[15:13] lily opening so that's right i imagine
[15:14] that's going to be more challenging as
[15:16] time goes on so and it is i've never
[15:18] seen it so busy yeah i mean obviously
[15:20] we're opening back up but but town and
[15:21] oak is like my goodness i'm so happy for
[15:23] them they're so busy all the time and to
[15:25] continue to discussion andy about not
[15:27] being here for what she's doing
[15:29] the whole point of parking
[15:32] if this was a restaurant it would be a
[15:34] lot more parking required than her
[15:36] business so even with people coming to
[15:38] see her that's okay yeah the mix of
[15:41] design and dying is brilliant right and
[15:43] we should encourage it good it's working
[15:46] so there's no reason not to encourage it wasn't our idea that's why it's
[15:49] working
[15:51] i think like i said cynthia burr and um
[15:53] rita i think had a lot to do with that
[15:55] initially and they've tried to really
[15:56] fight to keep it going through the
[15:57] pandemic but they're amazing they really
[15:59] put a lot of time in so
[16:01] great thank you so anything else guys no
[16:05] all
[16:06] right we'll go with waving intro do i
[16:10] have a motion to wave introduction of
[16:12] ordnance number
[16:13] m1022 2022 so
[16:17] second voice vote all those in favor all
[16:19] right
[16:20] opposed
[16:21] that motion carries
[16:23] okay now may i have a motion to adopt
[16:24] ordinance number m10 2022 so
[16:28] second roll call vote
[16:31] trustee swerk yes trustee mancini yes
[16:33] trustee cripe yes president rince yes
[16:37] uh motion carries good luck and you have
[16:39] to come back again thank you so much
[16:40] david it's also been amazing
[16:42] until she expands
[16:46] okay item b is resolution number r59
[16:50] 2022 approval of street rehab program
[16:53] this is up for adoption
[16:55] due to budgetary restrictions and
[16:57] changes in state regulations for
[16:59] mandatory replacement of lead water
[17:01] service lines village staff has
[17:03] suggested slight modifications regarding
[17:06] the
[17:07] 2022 street rehabilitation and public
[17:10] proof improvement program
[17:14] engine engineering director jim bernal
[17:16] and director of water and electric brian
[17:18] keys are here to review
[17:22] thank you president rents good evening
[17:25] i noticed that we didn't drop the
[17:26] screens down so
[17:28] my apologies
[17:38] i won't miss this going away
[17:56] not loading
[18:00] so
[18:02] now
[18:06] i wonder if we're gonna restock the
[18:08] snack cabinet or not we can go back
[18:10] there
[18:12] we can we can do it old school if you
[18:14] want and i have copies of the powerpoint
[18:15] presentation just if if it's easier to
[18:17] do it that way
[18:19] if we can give it to twitter there's a
[18:20] yes extra copies over there too if you
[18:22] want to follow along
[18:23] um
[18:24] so i apologize for that for the glitch
[18:26] on here um
[18:27] so uh
[18:29] just as a as a quick recap we typically
[18:30] designed this this annual street rail
[18:33] rehabilitation program we do this every
[18:35] year during the months of starting in
[18:37] august september october we we work with
[18:40] the sewer department
[18:41] public works
[18:42] water and electric we developed the
[18:44] program and we start doing the design of
[18:46] the program we typically go out to bid
[18:48] in january early january so we can
[18:50] receive good bidding prices and then
[18:52] we'll usually come to the to the council
[18:54] late february early may for a
[18:56] recommendation
[18:57] well we were on track with our program
[19:00] and as part of our permitting process we
[19:02] learned from the iepa of a major change
[19:04] which made us take a step back and have
[19:06] to reevaluate the program that's before
[19:08] you tonight so i'm going to walk through
[19:10] the program this year this it's modified
[19:12] slightly we'll explain how we got to
[19:13] where we were at
[19:15] and go from there so
[19:16] on your your first slide this is a map
[19:18] of the program as it was originally
[19:20] intended to be developed
[19:22] scott avenue is located to the to the
[19:24] north which would be the top of the page
[19:26] the red locations are the locations
[19:28] where we're at
[19:30] scott avenue is to have some water
[19:31] services replaced and then the roadway
[19:34] resurfaced there's a section of tower
[19:36] road that everybody drives out of town
[19:38] between forest way and where idot
[19:40] owns and it needs some rehabilitation
[19:42] that's going to get resurfaced this year
[19:44] at the intersection of hibbard and tower
[19:46] there was a sidewalk improvement to to
[19:48] address some ada issues with students
[19:50] walking and walking their bikes that'll
[19:52] be taking place this year
[19:54] marilyn gage
[19:55] also has some water main replacement and
[19:57] was scheduled to be resurfaced as well
[19:59] this year
[20:00] sun view
[20:01] was scheduled to be redone this is a
[20:03] priority for us
[20:04] this year and then locust and when we
[20:07] developed the budget locust as you may
[20:09] recall had a large water main break on
[20:12] it and so this street kind of came to us
[20:14] after the fact after the break
[20:16] it really needs to be addressed so at
[20:19] the recommendation of of brian keys we
[20:21] added it to this year's program as well
[20:22] so we can replace that last section of
[20:24] water main and resurface that road and
[20:25] clean it up
[20:27] and then our big program was on cherry
[20:29] street
[20:30] there was we were going to resurface the
[20:31] roadway install a new main
[20:33] replace services
[20:35] clean that up and then resurface a
[20:36] section of maple so this was the program
[20:38] that was before us this is what we
[20:40] planned on coming back to you
[20:42] with and so we went out to bid with that
[20:44] intent
[20:45] so switching to the next slide um this chart here on february 18th we
[20:50] opened our bids and again we didn't
[20:52] learn about this change until literally
[20:54] after we had opened our bids and we
[20:55] received our permit from the ipa
[20:58] um the apparent low bidder was reliable
[21:01] contracting and equipment and they
[21:02] provided a bid proposal of about 3.1
[21:05] million dollars however in order to
[21:07] ensure that the general contractor can
[21:09] meet all the requirements that the
[21:11] village has our expectations for being
[21:13] able to complete the work stay on
[21:15] schedule have some uh kind of
[21:19] meet in the game so to speak throughout
[21:20] the whole duration we require that the
[21:22] general contractor able to do at least
[21:24] 51 percent plus of all the work
[21:27] activities this prevents a lot of
[21:28] subcontractors from coming in and the
[21:30] inconsistency and trying to chase people
[21:33] as you switch from from activity so after speaking with reliable
[21:37] we
[21:38] determined that they were going to be
[21:39] outsourcing a majority of their work and
[21:41] therefore they would not be able to meet
[21:43] the
[21:44] contract expectations
[21:46] and so therefore their bid was not
[21:47] compliant with us um the apparent low
[21:50] bidder at the time was a limp at about
[21:52] 3.4 million
[21:53] copenhaver about 3.49 etc
[21:57] so this is what we had expected to bring
[21:59] back
[22:00] so now if we'll switch to the next slide
[22:02] just to recap some of the budget items
[22:04] here
[22:05] our annual street rehab is made up of a
[22:08] few budget items engineering and from
[22:11] the new engineering department some
[22:13] budget line items from public works for
[22:14] helping them out with some patching some
[22:16] striping work activities they do
[22:18] and then the water department they have
[22:20] a water main replacement fund we
[22:22] collaborate together to save costs by
[22:24] doing a joint project
[22:26] and as you'll see here our total budget
[22:28] for this year's program was at 2.946
[22:31] so we realized based on the market
[22:33] what we had received was obviously more
[22:36] than what we had to spend so we took
[22:38] some time
[22:39] and revised the program and our original
[22:41] intent was to take sun view off of this
[22:43] year's program and that would have kept
[22:45] us in budget
[22:47] during that time we discovered that the
[22:49] iepa had changed
[22:51] our
[22:52] state standard for the replacement of
[22:54] lead service lines so we'll kind of get
[22:55] into that here a little bit
[22:57] so this was a new act that they had
[22:59] passed now they had been talking about
[23:00] this for a couple years but to be honest
[23:03] that we there literally wasn't much
[23:05] drive in getting the word out that it
[23:06] was going to start january 1. so when we
[23:08] actually received our iepa permit
[23:11] it was noted in those requirements of
[23:13] the permit the new requirements for the
[23:15] replacement lead services so this went
[23:18] into effect for all lead services
[23:20] beginning january 1 of this year and the
[23:22] goal of it for the state of illinois is
[23:24] to replace all lead services by 2067.
[23:27] this is initiative that they have to get
[23:29] the lead let out so to speak from the
[23:31] water
[23:33] so
[23:34] this year's project was reorganized when
[23:36] we took a step back and looked at where
[23:38] we were replacing the water mains how
[23:40] many locations actually had led services
[23:42] well we found that scott avenue had a
[23:44] lot
[23:45] cherry street had a lot
[23:46] and this is a new program and we're not
[23:48] alone in this a lot of communities that
[23:50] we're talking to are taking a step back
[23:52] in their program because the change is
[23:55] quite expensive and it's quite involved
[23:58] in coordinating with the property owners
[23:59] to get access because the law
[24:01] now requires you
[24:03] when i take a step back when we restruct
[24:05] uh construction of a new water main we
[24:07] replace the service from what the
[24:09] village owns from the new main to the b
[24:11] box that's in the right away and from
[24:12] the right of or from the bee box all the
[24:14] way back to the property is the
[24:15] residential homeowner's responsibility
[24:18] the new law states that now when you
[24:20] replace a water main or you touch a
[24:21] service you cannot reconnect that lead
[24:23] service back to the main so that make
[24:26] that requires you now that when we
[24:27] replace our services from the main to
[24:30] the b box
[24:31] that we have to also replace it from the
[24:32] b box all the way back into the home and
[24:34] connect it to the meter that's the new
[24:36] initiative so as you can imagine that's
[24:38] quite costly and there's a lot of
[24:40] involvement when you're working on a
[24:42] street such as scott and cherry that i
[24:44] think we had 51. total services
[24:48] so
[24:50] there's a lot and there's a lot of
[24:51] moving pieces right now and we think
[24:52] that the state is still working through
[24:54] the bugs on this so we took a step back
[24:56] and looked at the streets that we still
[24:58] wanted to address water main wise which
[25:00] was a priority for water electric and
[25:02] roads as well that needed the tlc
[25:05] so what we did is we reorganized our
[25:07] program
[25:08] and then what we did was we realized
[25:10] that cherry again cherry and scott had a
[25:12] lot of lid services so we took those off
[25:14] of this year's program and we put sun
[25:16] view back on sun view doesn't have any
[25:19] lead services right now so that's just a
[25:20] straight water main replacement
[25:24] on locust and then a maryland gauge
[25:26] there's a total of three water services
[25:28] within those joint combined locations of
[25:30] services we have to replace and so staff
[25:33] is recommending as part of that that
[25:35] just for this year that we address those
[25:38] um specifically so i'll get into that a
[25:40] little bit more
[25:43] um on the next slide here what you'll
[25:45] see is you're on slide seven or i am on
[25:47] slide six right now i apologize slide
[25:49] six
[25:50] um so on slide six what you'll see is
[25:53] this is this table's been revised to
[25:55] show what the original bid amount was
[25:57] and then what the now modified bid
[25:59] amount was again reliable equipment even
[26:01] though we made the modified we still
[26:03] determined they couldn't meet the
[26:04] contract requirements and so again
[26:07] that's a non-compliant bid for us
[26:10] we took a step back a-lamp concrete
[26:13] contractors was still the apparent low
[26:15] bidder at a little over 2 million
[26:16] dollars 23 000 527.50
[26:20] copenhaven was about 140 000 more than
[26:23] that and then and so on and so forth so
[26:26] based on this modified planned um a-lamp
[26:29] concrete contractors who has done work
[26:31] for the village in the past and is
[26:32] currently working outside the village
[26:34] hall for streetscape et cetera
[26:36] they have experience with us they're the
[26:38] apparent little better right now
[26:41] so
[26:42] the effects on this modified program we
[26:44] wanted to sort of show you as we took a
[26:46] step back and we looked at the budget
[26:47] numbers
[26:48] um our original budget on slide seven
[26:50] here sorry um in engineering and public
[26:52] works was about 1.3 million um with the
[26:55] modified program that work was reduced
[26:57] down to about a little less than 900 000
[27:00] so that actually gave us a difference in
[27:02] a surplus of about 440 000 this year
[27:05] just in just in the engineering
[27:07] department and public works funding
[27:08] alone
[27:09] for the water department
[27:11] the result was even greater so with the
[27:14] original 1.6 million dollar budget the
[27:16] work was reduced down to about 940 000
[27:19] and so there was a surplus of about 666
[27:22] thousand dollars
[27:23] that was left over on here again
[27:25] i know brian's eager to keep moving
[27:27] forward with the with the old and
[27:29] deterring water mains so i know that's a
[27:30] priority for us
[27:33] so when looking at this funding that's
[27:34] available one of the things i know that
[27:36] the engineering department is thinking
[27:37] about is
[27:39] as you know i've come back for public
[27:40] parking lot areas to reconstruct those
[27:43] i'm trying to address all of them we
[27:44] just have a few more left so i think
[27:46] some future consideration may be given
[27:48] or could be given
[27:49] to addressing uh public parking lot
[27:51] areas throughout the town i know there's
[27:53] some economic developments things that
[27:54] are taking place maybe it might be
[27:56] viable it's something to consider
[28:01] so um on the next slide number eight so
[28:03] for this year uh program staff's
[28:05] proposing a kind of interim cost share a
[28:08] model now this model as you may recall
[28:11] um it's very similar to the uh sanitary
[28:13] sewer backup program that we use that we we have on the books and it
[28:17] basically if a homeowner does an
[28:18] improvement to address a specific item
[28:20] it offers them a fiscal contribution to
[28:22] help with those costs so for this year's
[28:24] program
[28:25] we're we're proposing to do something
[28:27] similar now i would anticipate
[28:30] i don't anticipate i'm sure that the
[28:32] water department will be coming back to
[28:33] council to sort of talk in more detail
[28:35] about a long-term approach to how we're
[28:38] going to address this the lead service
[28:40] replacement items there'll be more
[28:42] details on different models that other
[28:44] people are doing some costs what we see
[28:46] etc but for this project we wanted to
[28:48] address just the few that we had
[28:51] so following that same suit of the
[28:53] overhead sanitary sewer backup program
[28:56] what we're looking to do is do a kind of
[28:58] a costume share model um and what we're
[29:01] proposing is that the village would
[29:03] cover 50 of the cost from the bee box
[29:06] into the home uh to replace that that
[29:09] lead service with copper now what we did
[29:10] is we worked with the apparent low
[29:12] bidder and we got three proposals from
[29:14] three different plumbers who have
[29:15] familiarity with this type of program
[29:18] to get some prices specific to each home
[29:20] because the uniqueness to this is that
[29:22] each home
[29:24] their price is going to be different
[29:25] it's not just a one price all because
[29:27] some houses are longer some are shorter
[29:30] there's some have different obstacles
[29:32] but um front porches foundation settings
[29:35] things like that that can increase the
[29:36] price finished basements unfinished
[29:38] basements there's a lot of moving pieces
[29:40] to this which
[29:41] brian keys and his team will get into
[29:43] when they come back to the council
[29:45] so based on the proposals that received
[29:47] for the three homes
[29:48] we had prices that ranged from the
[29:50] lowest proposed plumber which was
[29:52] flatter plumbing they do this program
[29:55] have done it in the past for other
[29:56] communities um between six thousand and
[29:59] twelve thousand at the highest so what
[30:01] we're proposing just for this year is
[30:03] that we would cover half of that cost
[30:05] and there's some options here which i'll
[30:07] kind of go through is how
[30:08] brian keys and his team will be reaching
[30:10] out to each homeowner to sort of present
[30:12] these options
[30:13] so on slide nine
[30:16] it's sort of we sort of talk here about
[30:17] the options that we have option one
[30:19] would be is that the um they can you the
[30:22] homeowner could choose to use the
[30:23] contractors plumbing we have a price
[30:24] from them they're certified plumbers
[30:26] they can do the work um and what we
[30:29] would do is we would request that they
[30:30] would reimburse the village um for their
[30:33] portion or fifty percent of what that
[30:34] proposed cost is um prior to the work
[30:37] taking place that's somewhat negotiable
[30:39] to see how quick that can turn around
[30:41] but that would be one option that they
[30:43] could consider um and then typically
[30:46] they would prov they would receive a
[30:47] one-year warranty like a plumber would
[30:48] now standard protocol
[30:50] from them
[30:52] option two would be if they're not
[30:53] interested in using our plumber they
[30:55] could use their own plumber a plumber
[30:56] that they know and that they trust
[30:58] then the village would reimburse the
[31:00] property owner fifty percent of the cost
[31:02] but at the contractors proposed rates so
[31:04] if a contra if they went out and wanted
[31:06] to use company x because they preferred
[31:08] and the price was substantially higher
[31:10] than the price that we received we would
[31:12] only pay up to 50
[31:13] of the proposal rate that we've received
[31:15] from the contractor not their
[31:17] contractor's rate so that sort of
[31:19] addresses the situation of somebody over
[31:21] inflating the price to reimburse a total
[31:23] cost for themselves
[31:25] option three which the ipa makes
[31:27] available is the opportunity to just say
[31:30] i don't want to participate in the
[31:31] program at all so they could opt to wave
[31:33] out of the program
[31:34] they would the village would be required
[31:36] to have them sign a department of public
[31:38] health waiver releasing them
[31:40] from that and then if the village and
[31:42] this is something to consider
[31:44] if they decided that they didn't want to
[31:46] do it at this time that they would be
[31:48] not eligible to participate in a
[31:50] reimbursement program in the future now
[31:52] that can be revisited at a later date
[31:53] when we talk about it but that's the
[31:55] approach we're proposing right now
[31:57] so those would be the three options we
[31:59] could use to address that
[32:00] so on the next slide
[32:02] on number 10 really basically we're
[32:04] looking at is we would be looking at a
[32:06] total contract cost for this modified
[32:08] bid amount
[32:10] and utilizing the contractor's plumber
[32:12] proposal that we have taking into
[32:15] account a lamp's modified price of a
[32:17] little over 2 million plus the 27 000
[32:20] for the three water service replacements
[32:21] that we have for a total a new total
[32:24] contract price which we're recommending
[32:25] tonight for two million fifty thousand
[32:28] seven hundred sixty three dollars and
[32:29] fifty cents
[32:31] so
[32:32] uh before this evening on the final
[32:34] slide is the recommendation staff is
[32:36] recommending based on the modified
[32:37] program that we have this year that we
[32:40] move forward with trying to get some
[32:41] work done this year and not postpone it
[32:43] um we're getting short in the season and
[32:45] we need to make sure we get parts
[32:46] ordered and we've got some work there by um
[32:49] off of merrell by the school that we really want to get done over the
[32:53] summer months so we don't have any
[32:54] impacts to them
[32:55] we would recommend awarding the contract
[32:57] to a-lamp for a total not to exceed
[33:00] price of two million fifty thousand
[33:02] seven hundred and sixty three dollars
[33:04] and fifty cents
[33:05] so with that i'd be happy to answer any
[33:07] questions that you might have questions
[33:08] for jim yeah what what is the average
[33:11] cost for doing that replacement from the
[33:13] street to the house is that two grand
[33:16] um it depends on the length um yeah but
[33:19] typically if you're it depends on where
[33:20] the water main is your biggest cost
[33:22] actually is the cost that we bear when
[33:24] we actually excavate in the roadway yeah
[33:26] and working in the right of way because
[33:27] you have to restore that you have to but
[33:29] for the homeowners
[33:30] um i i would say on average if you're
[33:32] looking at
[33:33] let's say on a home let's say on the
[33:35] east side of winneco anywhere from 15 to
[33:37] 20 000 depending on the length on the
[33:39] west side it could be anywhere from
[33:41] 10 to 15 000 realistically to replace a
[33:44] water service are some of the options
[33:46] and maybe this is a question for brian
[33:47] that you're considering amortizing the
[33:49] cost of that for the homeowner on their
[33:51] water bill over a period of time
[33:53] yeah
[33:55] so as jim mentioned we're putting
[33:56] together a comprehensive packet of some
[33:58] recommendations and options for you to
[34:00] consider because it's obviously going to
[34:01] influence the budgeting consideration
[34:03] for 2023
[34:05] impacts replacement costs
[34:07] for 2023 and it also replaces
[34:10] challenges on emergent replacements
[34:12] so we did talk there's going to be
[34:13] scenarios where a homeowner may
[34:15] financially not be able to afford it so
[34:16] we're going to try to provide some
[34:18] opportunities
[34:19] to address that scenario when we bring
[34:21] it back to the council
[34:23] and then under i'll say the village
[34:25] manager's discretion we already had some
[34:26] discussion now potentially if these
[34:28] three individuals
[34:31] pose a hardship case that we didn't work
[34:33] out some type of payment plan to make it
[34:34] work
[34:35] if the council goes forward with a 50
[34:38] option so that's what we're dealing with
[34:40] here's just three households that's
[34:41] correct yes what we're asking is to deal
[34:42] with the three households so that we
[34:44] could move forward with the road
[34:46] rehabilitation work as jim laid out
[34:49] pushing those other two water main
[34:51] projects that encompass 51 services
[34:54] much more challenging to coordinate more
[34:56] communication hand-holding
[34:58] and then to be honest what and he did a
[35:00] great job presenting this but there's
[35:01] also notification periods they have to
[35:03] have the information in their hand
[35:05] so many days before we can take action
[35:07] so
[35:08] we just felt that addressing those 51
[35:11] cases
[35:12] was going to be insurmountable to get it
[35:14] all in an order and execute in a timely
[35:16] fashion i'll just tell you my thinking
[35:20] it's only three households i don't want
[35:21] people having to cry poor it's a massive
[35:23] hit even if someone has money
[35:26] asking him to
[35:27] cough up 15 grand in the middle of
[35:29] summer or even half of that 7 500
[35:33] since we're only dealing with three
[35:34] houses i mean that's
[35:36] i think we ought to just offer that as
[35:38] an option this is a really discreet
[35:41] i mean three households we can figure
[35:42] out the long term later i'd really hate
[35:44] to see us though jam three households
[35:46] that just were unfortunate enough to
[35:48] follow up in this cycle
[35:50] and they're not gonna have you know
[35:52] so that would be my
[35:54] to clarify your offer a payment plan or
[35:56] offer full compensation i'm sorry
[35:59] whatever we're contemplating for the
[36:01] long run which it probably is like we do
[36:04] the 50 50 but a payment plan on their 50
[36:07] amortize it just attach i don't know how
[36:09] you do that but maybe on the water bill
[36:11] or whatever but
[36:12] over a few years i would just
[36:14] make that option available i i just
[36:17] option three opt out now give us a
[36:19] release
[36:20] i don't like the idea of telling people
[36:22] it's like now or never
[36:24] so to clarify uh the option three's um
[36:29] state
[36:30] what that option is not so much to say
[36:32] now or never
[36:33] what i think jim was articulating is we
[36:35] don't know what future the future
[36:37] funding policy the rights will be we
[36:38] don't know if there'd be future
[36:40] opportunities to secure federal funding
[36:42] but what's clear in the state
[36:43] legislative act is that if they do not
[36:45] want to participate we have to have them
[36:47] sign
[36:48] saying they're elected yeah no i get all
[36:50] that my point is
[36:53] i'd like to see these households be able
[36:55] to do it in a reasonable way without
[36:57] throwing up
[36:58] okay um we always want to avoid that
[37:02] going along with that so these you said
[37:03] that you had an estimate between 6 and
[37:05] 12k for these specific houses that's
[37:07] right is that okay so that was their
[37:09] amount there um
[37:11] yeah i mean i echo andy sentiment i
[37:12] think it's a surprise bill that could be
[37:14] hard-hitting for anyone regardless of
[37:16] what your financial status is and
[37:18] certainly concerning and you mentioned
[37:20] federal grant are there grants available
[37:22] for this that it would be probably too
[37:24] late for the ones these three right now
[37:26] which makes sense for having us yeah so
[37:28] we're looking at them
[37:30] there is
[37:31] iepa funding available but most of the
[37:34] funding being presented at this point
[37:36] are loans that could potentially be
[37:38] forgiven
[37:39] but it's still a bit unclear and you
[37:41] have to have a bigger plan in place for
[37:44] that to fit so it all came very quickly
[37:46] i think the context of this is that
[37:48] the bill had changed a couple of times
[37:50] but it became effective january 1 but an
[37:53] inventory was required some time after
[37:55] which we had pretty well done but you
[37:58] really had a plan the requirement was
[38:00] then you have a plan ready to go
[38:01] approximately a couple years later which
[38:03] inferred that you had time to put a plan
[38:05] together here they're saying it's
[38:06] effective
[38:07] inventory plan when it should be
[38:09] plan or inventory plan effective date
[38:12] which makes it a little tough so i i
[38:15] would say that the funding options
[38:17] that we know of
[38:19] at this point would require that if we
[38:21] took federal or state money it would be
[38:23] 100 funded and there wouldn't be a cost
[38:25] share program so if that happened we
[38:27] would have to go back and make people
[38:29] whole in this interim period yeah and
[38:31] candidly if we just did 100 on these
[38:34] three households just to keep this
[38:36] moving i i i really don't like the idea
[38:38] of
[38:39] jack-in-the-box
[38:41] and it's not our fault but
[38:43] in springfield but um yeah i
[38:46] just don't like that idea the chances
[38:47] residents are aware if we were sort of
[38:50] you know surprised by it we were we were
[38:52] taking a conservative conservative
[38:53] approach with it where it was really
[38:55] modeled after the sanitary program yeah
[38:58] and looking at a 50 50 cost share
[39:00] um
[39:01] without over committing the village
[39:03] because if you look at 100 funding and
[39:05] if it's all on
[39:06] you know our funding model then rates
[39:08] are going to have to go up it wouldn't
[39:10] be viable as a long term without that
[39:12] kind of whatever but if we're just
[39:14] talking about let's get through this
[39:15] season three houses
[39:18] instead of them being unhappily lucky
[39:19] i'd rather see them be happily lucky and
[39:22] not you know because
[39:25] yeah um one one other question for me
[39:28] was about the option three which i i
[39:30] recognize it's not saying that it's hard
[39:32] and fast rule to be done but for the
[39:34] inventory we have and for let's say
[39:35] there's someone selling their home and
[39:36] they were to sign this waiver saying i'm
[39:38] opting out for this are we is there
[39:40] somewhere a future homeowner would be
[39:42] able to see that they've opted out for
[39:44] this that they have a lead an inventory
[39:46] led service line it gets recorded it's
[39:49] going to be recorded with the state
[39:51] because we'll have to submit that they
[39:52] opted out now on the respective like
[39:54] purchasing a home so the inventory is on
[39:57] the village's website it's both
[39:58] available at a high level so it talks
[40:00] about total number of services partial
[40:03] led services full led services and in
[40:05] compliance with the state act which
[40:07] required us to post an inventory it's at
[40:10] address level details so you can go and
[40:12] look up your respective house or house
[40:14] you're looking to purchase
[40:15] and tell according to village records
[40:17] what we believe is
[40:19] the service line material in theory it
[40:21] would be on a homeowner to know that
[40:23] this is a scenario that's happening or a
[40:24] realtor to
[40:26] we get calls from realtors i mean i i
[40:28] can't say every realtor knows but i do
[40:29] get frequent calls from realtors who are
[40:32] brokering a transaction and this is now
[40:34] becoming more of
[40:36] a chip in the negotiation
[40:38] on a house closing price whether it's
[40:40] from a prospective buyer
[40:42] or a realtor trying to sell a home okay
[40:45] i think we're not alone
[40:47] sorry we're
[40:48] definitely not alone and with this new
[40:50] bill coming in there's a lot of
[40:52] communities if you can anticipate some
[40:54] not so fortunate low economic
[40:56] communities are being faced with the
[40:57] exact same thing and the hardship that
[40:58] you're concerned about is very real
[41:00] there so in talking to some other
[41:02] directors other village engineers that i
[41:04] know
[41:04] it's hitting everybody hard my guess is that there'll be a lot of questions
[41:09] that make their way back to springfield
[41:11] usually when these types of things take
[41:12] place
[41:13] i wouldn't be surprised if somebody
[41:15] takes a step back and they really start
[41:17] to think through the program a little
[41:18] bit more as the hurdles come out the uh
[41:20] the goal is good it's it's it's
[41:22] admirable but it's it's the
[41:24] implementation part that needs a little
[41:26] bit more tweaking
[41:27] so
[41:28] question i have it seems like a big flaw
[41:31] if the state is telling you you have to
[41:33] connect with the you can't connect the
[41:35] led line
[41:36] are you able to opt out of it
[41:38] right now it's that big of a hazard
[41:40] so it just seems wrong you're basically
[41:43] the homeowners acknowledging that
[41:44] they're aware of the risk and making the
[41:45] decision not to that could solve our
[41:47] problem right there so
[41:49] i mean so they have an option so again
[41:52] unlucky fortunate unlucky or unfortunate
[41:55] um they do have an option so i mean this
[41:57] is not a
[41:58] if they really are
[42:01] hell-bent against excuse the expression
[42:03] they can opt out but we are going to be
[42:05] required to submit documentation to the
[42:06] state
[42:07] so for example on the streetscape
[42:09] water main work i have to sign off
[42:11] stating that there is no lead service
[42:13] lines reconnected to new water main
[42:16] uh when that to get our final operating
[42:19] permit for that main i'll be in the same
[42:20] situation for each of these projects
[42:23] that have to sign off and they
[42:24] specifically ask for that statement
[42:26] if not i have to provide okay what's the
[42:29] scenario which will be inevitably that
[42:31] waiver
[42:33] a little education for me maybe maybe
[42:34] you don't know the answers
[42:36] is it really the drinking side of the
[42:38] water they're consuming it cooking does
[42:41] it cook out the bad stuff no so it's
[42:43] consumption of the water so i mean it's
[42:44] basically where you're consuming it so
[42:46] keep that in mind i mean so if you've
[42:47] got a filter in your house
[42:49] you've just cleaned your blood out of
[42:50] your pipes
[42:52] so with that knowledge if i had the less
[42:53] service i got my filter
[42:56] why spend six or twelve thousand dollars
[42:58] i'll sign a release and uh taking a
[43:00] shower cooking is not going to matter
[43:03] so
[43:04] it's i mean as a prelude to what's
[43:07] coming it'll be you know we'll present
[43:09] options for the council but it'll be a
[43:11] question about
[43:12] the cost implications and future rates
[43:15] what we do for emergent and plan and
[43:17] there's also a social component too like
[43:19] you know i paid for mine why do i have
[43:20] to pay for gyms
[43:22] so those are some of the unfortunate
[43:24] decisions we bring back to you at a
[43:26] future meeting like a study session
[43:28] brian is it just a bit of context with
[43:30] respect to our testing for lead in our system can you just add a little
[43:35] yeah so we do we're required by epa
[43:37] standards to do testing
[43:39] it's a three every three years they do
[43:41] it's the lead copper rule there's a
[43:43] number of
[43:44] houses with lead water services and
[43:46] copper services we take those tests with
[43:48] where some of you may be participating
[43:50] or residents watching
[43:52] we it's a set list of people when
[43:54] someone moves we have to refile to add a
[43:56] new residence on but we leave them water
[43:58] bottles with samp instructions on how to
[44:00] sample staff picks them up it gets sent
[44:03] to a laboratory that laboratory reports
[44:05] the results to the state so we're under
[44:07] any regulated standard for lead in
[44:10] potable water
[44:12] uh under so we're meeting that that's
[44:14] reported publicly every year in our
[44:16] consumer confidence report but this is
[44:18] again the next level in removing lead
[44:21] from potable water supply in illinois
[44:23] and at the federal level
[44:26] is that they're no longer going to allow
[44:28] partial lead services or the repair of
[44:30] lead services and in the additive to the
[44:32] water for the coating
[44:34] part the adding to the water for the
[44:36] coating of the pipe
[44:38] yeah so uh village manager's bane as you
[44:40] know as we've communicated before the
[44:42] village has a long history they treat
[44:44] the water with a chemical called
[44:45] polyorthophosphate
[44:47] which basically uh prevents a lining to
[44:50] slow the mitigation
[44:51] of any type of lead into the potable
[44:53] water
[44:54] so that we've they've been doing that
[44:56] for
[44:57] more i've been here 16 years so longer
[44:58] than that let me ask
[45:01] is it more cost effective for a
[45:02] homeowner to do this in conjunction with
[45:05] our project or does it really matter
[45:07] it's way it's hands down more
[45:10] cost competitive for a homeowner to be
[45:12] part of our water main project and get
[45:14] it done
[45:15] because as jim mentioned
[45:18] under a water main project we would
[45:20] cover the costs no cost of the homeowner
[45:22] built into the rates of bringing a
[45:24] copper service from the water main to
[45:26] the property line as part of our
[45:28] long-standing water main replacement
[45:30] policy we did that all the time right if
[45:32] you had alleged service
[45:34] it would get reconnected at the property
[45:36] we would encourage you and give you
[45:38] communication like this is a great time
[45:39] to look at replacing it but
[45:42] most people did not and so we would
[45:44] reconnect the lead service what this
[45:46] really what's come from this is a state
[45:48] saying we're not going to let you do
[45:49] that anymore and without it
[45:51] unless you have the waiver unless you
[45:53] sign the waiver
[45:54] my my question is it more cost effective for the
[45:58] homeowner to do the replacement from the
[46:02] be box to their house
[46:05] at the same time does it really matter
[46:07] because you got to dig up oh so they've
[46:08] actually so this is this is where in the
[46:10] springfield has pinned us in we have 30
[46:13] days so if you as a homeowner elect to
[46:16] go do this on your own no i'm not asking
[46:18] for that i'm just literally is it more
[46:19] expensive
[46:23] i would
[46:27] the most say part of the program is
[46:29] actually the excavation down to the main
[46:31] in the roadway okay repairing the
[46:33] roadway backfilling it and you've got
[46:35] that open yeah and you have to and
[46:36] sometimes the locations can go back in
[46:38] the same spot sometimes they can't so
[46:40] sometimes you might have to move over so
[46:41] you have multiple holes in the road to
[46:43] get it to where the bee box is plus the
[46:45] restoration of the parkway sidewalks
[46:48] when you're when we're going from the
[46:49] home my guess is that and what i'm
[46:51] hearing from all the plumbers that are
[46:52] participating in this program is they're
[46:54] directional boring they're digging a
[46:56] hole on the outside of the home we have
[46:58] a pit open where the bee box is at they
[46:59] show up with the machine directional
[47:01] bore right to where they need to go and
[47:03] you just pull the copper out saves your
[47:05] front lawn from getting all ripped up
[47:06] where if a lot of times folks if you had
[47:08] to pay somebody to do the exact same
[47:10] thing it would be quite expensive so
[47:12] that's why they open trench most of them
[47:14] because that's cheap so you just
[47:15] answered my next question about
[47:17] landscaping materials grass basically
[47:19] how to hold the house
[47:20] does a homeowner just take care of that
[47:22] real landscape in that area i mean
[47:24] the way that the law is written right
[47:26] now unfortunately yes okay
[47:29] we would try to minimize the impact of
[47:31] where that whole is at
[47:32] to try to do that so it in looking at
[47:35] other communities there are some
[47:37] municipalities that have considered
[47:39] not paying for the maine to the bee box
[47:42] and we've had that as part of our policy
[47:44] for a long time some are they may have
[47:46] done in the past and are looking not to
[47:48] do it yeah some never have
[47:50] so i think in many respects we've kind
[47:52] of built it and that cost into our model
[47:54] already so now we're at the b box to the
[47:56] home
[47:57] that delta how do you get that done
[48:00] as long as we're on the digging things
[48:01] up just a practical question
[48:04] we got a lot of huge trees in this town
[48:06] that i'm imagining these service lines
[48:07] are going right through how do you deal
[48:09] with that can you go around them so yeah
[48:11] so
[48:12] every scenario you're thinking of right
[48:13] now we've
[48:14] yeah
[48:16] i shouldn't have taught that but yeah
[48:17] cause we'll hear about it there's a
[48:18] bunch of dead trees we do we work with
[48:20] the village forester
[48:22] um we work with the contractors so
[48:24] inevitably in every project every water
[48:26] beam project there'll be one or two
[48:27] houses where it doesn't go the textbook
[48:29] design to the property line because
[48:31] where the water service is there's this
[48:32] beautiful oak tree yeah so we work with
[48:35] the homeowner and the contractor to try
[48:37] to find
[48:38] an alternative that still meets the
[48:40] requirements for providing reliable
[48:41] service that can be maintained without
[48:43] taking a tree out sometimes that means
[48:46] putting uh
[48:47] unfortunately a funny bow in the service
[48:48] line sometimes it means shifting the
[48:50] location of the b box a couple of feet
[48:52] one way or the other
[48:54] um
[48:57] they do what's called a bullet it's just
[48:59] an aerodynamic bullet that they line it
[49:01] up where the old service is at and it's
[49:02] just tap tap tap and it gets a
[49:04] directional board right underneath it so
[49:06] you figure out the two spots it's a
[49:08] short distance we do that now and if the
[49:10] old service is in the tree root area you
[49:12] can just disconnect it and abandon it in
[49:14] place that's correct okay
[49:17] as far as far as paying
[49:20] is there some process
[49:23] that if
[49:24] people don't have the money or don't
[49:25] want to pay the money
[49:26] they can sign another document that you
[49:28] put a lien against a home
[49:31] that you get that at a next closing or
[49:33] something i got an idea
[49:35] all right
[49:38] maybe the the way to approach this is to
[49:41] just do a simple recapture agreement
[49:44] my concern is i agree with you these you
[49:46] know these people are getting short
[49:48] the short end of the stick here it's
[49:50] like oh by the way we're going to be
[49:51] replacing your water main even though it
[49:54] wasn't in the program for this year but
[49:55] now it is and by the way cough up an
[49:57] extra
[49:59] seven eight nine ten thousand bucks
[50:01] right so we can
[50:02] tear up and you might you might find
[50:04] these three people don't even want it
[50:06] a simple recapture
[50:08] at least
[50:09] we would have the option if the policy
[50:12] ultimately ended up being a 50-50 split
[50:15] that they would be responsible for that
[50:18] payable either at the
[50:20] transference of the property or whatever so we could
[50:23] kick it down the road so that new
[50:25] purchasers would be the ones splitting
[50:27] the bill for it
[50:29] uh
[50:30] and we can still go ahead and take care
[50:31] of this i don't feel good about these
[50:33] three people and my first instinct was
[50:35] 27 grand
[50:37] and you're saving a million off of your
[50:40] budgeted money between the two of you
[50:42] there's almost a million dollars that
[50:43] you're not spending as a result of this
[50:46] rejiggering of the system right
[50:48] so the 27 wasn't
[50:51] i'm not being flipping about the money
[50:52] but i look at and think yeah but at the
[50:56] same time if we have a different policy
[50:58] then they either got away with something
[50:59] that we weren't going to do recapture
[51:01] gives us the flexibility that we decide
[51:03] on a 50 50 that's the value that becomes the subject of the
[51:07] recapture
[51:08] if we find federal money or grant money
[51:11] to pay for everything
[51:13] then we can go that way
[51:15] so you're suggesting a recapture that
[51:17] would be a lien on the property
[51:19] most recaptures are
[51:21] recorded yeah okay
[51:23] so so how do we move forward with these
[51:25] three homes
[51:26] from a village
[51:28] standpoint
[51:30] we can't just give stuff away free
[51:32] yeah i mean right i don't know
[51:35] legally i don't know that's not going to
[51:36] be option one option two
[51:40] uh
[51:42] but
[51:43] instead well i guess would be option one
[51:46] use contractor's plumber reimburse the
[51:48] village but instead of doing that
[51:50] they have the option of not
[51:53] reimbursing the village but we have
[51:55] there's an agreement that we can
[51:56] recapture that cost at a later date so
[51:59] we pay so the 50 is the recorded lien
[52:02] and got to give them a range of how much
[52:03] money that is do you have to record it
[52:05] because you know it's a utility
[52:07] right
[52:08] i'm wondering if if we did it through
[52:10] the utility if it just could be added
[52:12] spread out of the bill
[52:14] well that's then you don't have to lean
[52:15] the house because whoever's got service
[52:18] at the house it stays with it
[52:20] the
[52:21] peter on that one
[52:23] peter village attorney excuse me can
[52:25] weigh in but i think that's one of the
[52:27] concerns i like the
[52:29] from a practical standpoint the ease is
[52:31] to put it on the utility bill
[52:33] i think though that recovery if you were
[52:35] to sell the house that we would
[52:37] potentially not have a good recovery
[52:39] component by to go to the next homeowner
[52:42] when you close you have to show that the
[52:44] utility bill is fully paid
[52:46] you can't close without that in illinois
[52:48] so if you have it on the utility bill
[52:52] that serves as your capture without
[52:53] leaning the house
[52:54] right normally recapture is recorded and
[52:57] i don't think it's a big deal for it to
[52:59] be recorded i would say do both um have
[53:01] it on the utility bill the problem with
[53:03] utility bills that means sometimes
[53:04] you've gone through and at the last
[53:06] moment they come in here to pay and all
[53:07] of a sudden they see this thing and it's
[53:09] like
[53:10] you know then then you're threatening
[53:12] the transaction and i don't think having
[53:14] a recapture
[53:17] you know that's not that out of the
[53:18] ordinary it's not an ugly document yeah
[53:20] it's you know one or two pages easy to
[53:22] understand
[53:23] right um and it would i would say the
[53:25] recapture agreement should come back
[53:27] here for you all to approve before we
[53:30] definitely right right even for the
[53:33] three houses right yeah yeah yeah
[53:36] can you hear that first tomorrow
[53:38] you meet tomorrow it'll be ready
[53:44] that's good because if we do it for free
[53:46] somehow yeah no right now you just did
[53:48] the addition that paid for a water
[53:50] service that's not fair either
[53:52] still distilling down what i'm hearing
[53:54] the comments so uh i'll take the what i
[53:57] think my next steps are
[53:59] assuming you're going to approve the
[54:00] contract what i'm hearing is that we're
[54:01] going to approach the three homeowners
[54:03] we're to give them we're going to
[54:04] present the option to do cost sharing
[54:06] now as outlined in jim's staff report
[54:09] if there's if they so choose or there's
[54:11] a hardship
[54:13] that they could either
[54:14] we'd work with them on proposing a
[54:16] payment schedule or they could defer
[54:19] this to some longer term over a longer
[54:21] period term to a recapture agreement
[54:23] that would be recorded
[54:24] and basically for three people i i guess
[54:27] i would propose is we just go have that
[54:28] open conversation with three individuals
[54:32] i think trying to do that in the future
[54:33] projects with 51 plus customers will be
[54:36] challenging but for three
[54:38] is to go talk to them and say here's
[54:40] some options what can we do to make this
[54:42] less
[54:43] frustrating to you since then you're
[54:45] using your like you're the unfortunate
[54:47] unlucky ones that get to be the first to
[54:49] read through the gauntlet yeah and is
[54:50] there some brochure one page thing we it
[54:55] explains we're working on that now that
[54:56] it may not be the end of the world the
[54:58] way i think yeah
[55:00] just don't drink your water
[55:02] unfiltered unfiltered yeah there are
[55:05] requirements that we'd have to leave i
[55:07] mean i think we you know i i'm going to
[55:09] take this quick second and say this on
[55:10] camera so if you have a lead service
[55:12] line
[55:13] you should consider things like point of
[55:14] use filters where you consume it you
[55:16] should run the water when you get up
[55:18] when it's been stagnant overnight flush
[55:20] your toilet run your lawn sprinkle or
[55:22] take your shower
[55:23] before you draw it for potable water use
[55:26] most people i mean for the vast majority
[55:28] of people
[55:29] i talk to you know are not they already
[55:31] know they have a lead service line and
[55:33] have made a decision and however they're
[55:35] internally coping with it to do
[55:38] a lot of those things already
[55:40] but this is a legislative act that's
[55:42] going to require the municipality
[55:45] to deal with it
[55:46] legislatively on every water main
[55:48] project and every repair going forward
[55:58] i think
[55:59] as peter
[56:01] you know
[56:02] the recapture gives us the flexibility
[56:04] that nobody's getting special treatment
[56:08] and ultimately we can true up with them
[56:10] or not we can figure it out you know we
[56:12] can cancel the recapture agreement i
[56:14] guess because
[56:15] right
[56:16] it runs to us anyway
[56:18] if we decide that
[56:20] you know or if we find this
[56:22] bucket of money from the federal
[56:23] government that's going to help us pay
[56:25] it
[56:26] but in the meantime i just i
[56:28] i'd be really angry if somebody even
[56:31] somebody as nice as brian showed up at
[56:33] my front door and i said
[56:35] you got to write me a check for 15 g's
[56:37] and you know
[56:39] i would not be a happy camper with that
[56:40] i don't think any of us would correct
[56:43] uh
[56:44] and then when you tell them the source
[56:45] of why we have to do this then people
[56:47] are going to get even more angry yeah so
[56:50] i think we have to make it as palatable
[56:52] as we possibly can
[56:54] hopefully get our rear ends in gear and
[56:55] start looking for the money and be and i
[56:57] know you guys are on top of it and
[56:58] watching this but you know let's let's
[57:01] really put a concerted effort on finding
[57:03] the cash so we don't have to
[57:04] inconvenience our homeowners anymore
[57:06] i mean
[57:08] and then go from there i just i'm really
[57:10] afraid of if if as a full council we get
[57:13] together at a study session and say okay
[57:15] 50 50 is the way to go
[57:17] you know we're going to hear it about
[57:18] the three that god got it for nothing
[57:20] right that's that's my bigger word
[57:22] you know
[57:24] and uh you know being first could be
[57:27] good or it could be they had pretending
[57:28] right which way
[57:30] your opt so the two features are the
[57:32] payment a payments plan or the recapture
[57:35] in addition to what we've laid out right
[57:37] that gives people a lot of options yeah
[57:39] i i think that
[57:41] uh yes in full disclosure we might want
[57:44] to encourage them to take the recapture
[57:45] agreement if we're going to be
[57:47] revisiting and we should just let them
[57:48] know we're going to be analyzing the
[57:50] overall version
[57:51] that's the whole reason for it right
[57:53] yeah and yeah
[57:55] and in in the bid of two million oh
[57:57] fifty
[57:58] does that included three services to the
[58:00] house yes it does that was the full
[58:01] that's the 27 000 on top and what
[58:03] happens if they punch through a finished
[58:06] basement park the owner's got to repair
[58:08] the inside that's correct so it's got to
[58:11] be clear it gets them through the exact
[58:12] same opening that's there now and it
[58:15] replaces it up to the meter oh
[58:18] it's going to be very
[58:21] and the difficult part about having the
[58:22] same company do all of them
[58:24] is you know that we were behind them we
[58:27] got the insurance with them yeah i mean
[58:31] stuff could happen this is this is why
[58:33] staff took a step back when we found out
[58:34] about this and went wow this is a game
[58:36] changer yeah and and we're not alone a
[58:39] lot of communities are going through the
[58:40] exact same you're dealing with this
[58:42] everyone here that we are right now yeah
[58:43] are people struggling like we are okay
[58:46] well good job on the fly mixing it up so worst case scenario
[58:51] if we approve the 250
[58:53] and some change
[58:55] and we have three homeowners that opt
[58:56] out we get a change order negative
[58:58] correct we just we don't we just
[59:00] wouldn't pay the contractor yeah we
[59:01] would not spend right yeah right i just
[59:03] don't spend the contract to be reduced
[59:04] that's correct okay okay
[59:07] sounds good
[59:08] any public comment on this issue
[59:12] seeing none uh let's bring it up here
[59:15] may i have a motion to adopt resolution
[59:17] number r59 2022
[59:20] still moved
[59:22] second roll call vote trustee swerk yes
[59:25] trustee mancini yes trustee cripe yes
[59:28] president rents yes
[59:31] um good job guys thanks guys appreciate
[59:34] it
[59:35] what a mess
[59:39] okay item c is resolution number r64
[59:43] 2022
[59:45] this is now we get to have some fun
[59:46] approving intergovernmental agreements
[59:48] for the sale lease of a fire rescue boat
[59:52] this is awesome hi john the winneca fire
[59:54] department is seeking council's approval
[59:56] for an intergovernmental agreement that
[59:58] would allow our fire department to join
[1:00:00] the wilmette and evanston fire
[1:00:02] departments to utilize a rescue boat
[1:00:04] belonging to the village of willow
[1:00:06] springs
[1:00:08] for joint water rescue and marine fire
[1:00:10] response i can hardly wait to hear this
[1:00:12] story
[1:00:14] fire chief john ripka is here to review
[1:00:17] so yes so thank you um a lot a lot there
[1:00:20] um hopefully i can unpack this for you
[1:00:22] so
[1:00:23] before you tonight our
[1:00:25] two igas one for between when i get one
[1:00:29] mata and evanston with willow springs
[1:00:32] for the um
[1:00:34] lease and sale of a fire boat
[1:00:36] second night uh intergovernment
[1:00:37] agreement is between when i come out and
[1:00:39] evanston for the maintenance and use of
[1:00:41] the fire boat
[1:00:42] so
[1:00:43] the history of what got us here so
[1:00:45] currently when we respond to a incident
[1:00:47] on lake michigan
[1:00:49] we respond all of our moneca units go
[1:00:51] our battalion our engine and our
[1:00:53] ambulance
[1:00:54] if there's a boater in distress or uh
[1:00:57] you know a capsized boat whatever it is simultaneously we also
[1:01:00] get a response from wilmette and glencoe
[1:01:03] they're both responding with a boat
[1:01:05] and we also get response from the us
[1:01:06] coast guard
[1:01:08] station at wilmette harbor
[1:01:10] so um
[1:01:13] we were notified last year from the
[1:01:15] coast guard that they're um changing
[1:01:18] their uh
[1:01:19] equipment and their staffing at the
[1:01:22] wilmette harbor
[1:01:23] um effective
[1:01:25] actually last year so they are typically
[1:01:27] there year round they are now there um
[1:01:29] in the summer months only
[1:01:31] and in 2021 they left about mid-august
[1:01:34] so typically they you know they say
[1:01:36] they're going to be their memorial day
[1:01:37] of labor day but they left about mid
[1:01:39] august last year so
[1:01:40] you know obviously that's that's a heavy
[1:01:42] um response for us they have a boat
[1:01:44] that's in the water and it's a larger
[1:01:46] bolt than we're receiving from glencoe
[1:01:47] walnut because it's a coast guard boat
[1:01:50] capabilities are you know they
[1:01:52] historically they would assist with
[1:01:54] underwater rescue they stopped doing
[1:01:55] that many years ago so they're surface
[1:01:57] rescue only
[1:01:58] and they also do um marine fire um so if
[1:02:01] they have a pump so they can if there's
[1:02:03] a boat i think maybe you remember there
[1:02:05] was a boat explosion in wilmette harbor
[1:02:07] a few years ago so they're able to
[1:02:08] assist with um
[1:02:10] uh
[1:02:11] fire control on on boats on lake
[1:02:13] michigan or in the harbors
[1:02:15] they're no longer able to do that either
[1:02:17] so
[1:02:18] when we
[1:02:19] received this notification from them
[1:02:21] evanston moment and when i could uh the
[1:02:23] chiefs got together see if we'd come up
[1:02:24] with a plan to sort of either supplement
[1:02:26] or come up with some sort of shared
[1:02:28] resource shared response to sort of pick
[1:02:30] up for some of that lapse that we're
[1:02:31] finding from the coast guard
[1:02:33] which led us to willow springs so willow
[1:02:35] springs um has a fire boat they use it
[1:02:38] for many years
[1:02:40] it's been in storage for the last three
[1:02:41] years are no longer using it um they
[1:02:43] received it on a port authority grant
[1:02:45] which is kind of how we heard about it
[1:02:46] through um cook on emergency management
[1:02:49] so we reached out to them and made the
[1:02:51] connection the three of us went out
[1:02:53] there looked at the boat um it fits
[1:02:55] what we would need for our response it's
[1:02:57] a 26 foot
[1:02:59] fire hawk boat and it has a fire pump on
[1:03:01] it
[1:03:02] the sides fold flat to the water so it's ideal for water for dive responses
[1:03:08] so
[1:03:09] um they agreed to allow us to lease it
[1:03:13] for one year at no cost
[1:03:15] and then at the end of the one year if
[1:03:18] this trial
[1:03:19] response works with our three
[1:03:21] departments then we have the option to
[1:03:22] purchase it for a hundred thousand
[1:03:24] dollars
[1:03:25] so
[1:03:26] um
[1:03:28] we got some good uh council to extend
[1:03:30] that one year to 18 months so we have a
[1:03:32] little leeway after the one-year period
[1:03:34] where we have a little bit more time to
[1:03:35] sort of digest our numbers and our and
[1:03:37] review our response um and see if it's
[1:03:39] going to work for us um
[1:03:42] but let me see what else that i have
[1:03:43] here
[1:03:44] what was willow springs doing boats no
[1:03:47] they're not on the lake i see the
[1:03:48] displayings river runs so they use it on
[1:03:51] the river
[1:03:52] um
[1:03:54] you could probably google it what they
[1:03:56] used it for but they're no longer using
[1:03:58] it so
[1:04:00] it was some sort of river response it
[1:04:02] was more police patrol i think than
[1:04:07] fire but they had the fire pump on it
[1:04:10] i'm not 100 sure what they
[1:04:13] completely used for so
[1:04:15] it's been in stores for three years it's
[1:04:17] i think
[1:04:20] they use it i think on the water for
[1:04:21] five so eight to ten years old what's
[1:04:23] the longevity of a boat i don't i don't
[1:04:26] i know how well you maintain it you know
[1:04:28] could be
[1:04:29] 20 years yeah and what's its value sorry
[1:04:31] i'm just trying to understand 100 yeah
[1:04:33] the appraisal value was 100 000. it
[1:04:34] wasn't that's what they came up with
[1:04:35] that number yeah we have the appraisal
[1:04:37] documents uh and they got it for free
[1:04:39] through the grant did they pay for it
[1:04:41] they got it free through the grant
[1:04:43] but it was it's it's now
[1:04:46] it's beyond the peer the payback period
[1:04:49] so there they have sold ownership of it
[1:04:50] now right but
[1:04:53] you know what how did they request that
[1:04:55] right yeah
[1:04:57] i i will i should i will say we are also
[1:05:00] in the process of pursuing grant money
[1:05:02] ourselves through cook county and the
[1:05:03] poor authority grant we're first looking
[1:05:06] for
[1:05:06] um you know start-up costs and training
[1:05:10] expenses right and then um we're likely
[1:05:12] to pursue a similar grant uh should we
[1:05:15] get it
[1:05:16] you know within the next 18 months we
[1:05:18] have the opportunity to return this boat
[1:05:20] when they knew when there was new any
[1:05:22] idea what the cost was i don't or what
[1:05:24] do we did replace it now i mean
[1:05:27] i
[1:05:28] that'd be i i think it was 300 350 right
[1:05:32] from what i recall i can't say 100 i
[1:05:34] remember hearing that when we in our
[1:05:35] discussions with them but john you get
[1:05:37] the chance to
[1:05:39] use this for
[1:05:41] a period before you guys decide what you
[1:05:43] want to do right
[1:05:45] correct so it's it's a trial it's the
[1:05:46] one-year trial you know they agreed to
[1:05:48] lease it to us at no cost
[1:05:50] um and this is you know to see it it's a
[1:05:52] response we haven't done before right so
[1:05:55] you know the way we devised the response
[1:05:57] would be it's we worked out agreement
[1:05:59] with the coast guard so we're able to
[1:06:00] keep it in one of their slips so it'll
[1:06:02] be stationed at wilmette harbor if
[1:06:04] there's an incident in winnetka
[1:06:06] on upon our dispatch they would
[1:06:08] simultaneously dispatch evans and will
[1:06:10] met on on our call and they would
[1:06:12] respond directly to the boat
[1:06:14] it'll be in the water so they just have
[1:06:15] to get on and start driving up here
[1:06:18] similarly if there's an incident in
[1:06:20] evanston we would respond lights and
[1:06:22] sirens with wilmette and the first two
[1:06:24] to four uh fire personnel that are there
[1:06:26] that are trained to drive and operate
[1:06:28] the boat would get on us and respond to
[1:06:29] the scene we think it's going to
[1:06:31] increase our response
[1:06:32] obviously being a shared resource you
[1:06:33] know the costs you know for any one of
[1:06:35] our departments they have to
[1:06:37] you know put the cost on their own it's
[1:06:39] not really feasible so just you know to
[1:06:41] do the trial period for for a year we
[1:06:43] thought was was a good way to go was it
[1:06:44] was nice that this was available
[1:06:46] i mean if it works you know i'll
[1:06:48] probably be back here in a year talking
[1:06:49] about different options then
[1:06:50] um but you know startup cost
[1:06:53] you know
[1:06:55] fairly minimal you know will be some
[1:06:56] fuel costs we have some dry inspections
[1:06:59] that we'll have to do you know before we
[1:07:00] take ownership of it um
[1:07:03] but you know
[1:07:04] the departments are all on board you
[1:07:06] know our membership is very very much on
[1:07:07] board the guys are very excited you know
[1:07:09] to to to try this we've
[1:07:11] we're one of the few communities on a
[1:07:12] north shore that doesn't staff a boat
[1:07:14] you know as a fire department so um you
[1:07:17] know they're very committed to this you
[1:07:19] know the fft board has already agreed to
[1:07:22] put forward some funds towards this i
[1:07:24] think 10 or 15 000
[1:07:26] so that'll cover a lot of the startup
[1:07:27] cost of fuel costs you know the initial
[1:07:29] training
[1:07:30] um
[1:07:32] how many calls do you get a year or a
[1:07:34] season that would require a boat like
[1:07:36] this sure so it's it's not a lot you
[1:07:37] know when i could we average i look back
[1:07:39] on our data probably three to five per
[1:07:41] year
[1:07:42] um
[1:07:43] but you know these these calls are you
[1:07:45] know they're
[1:07:47] high risk right so we're putting people
[1:07:49] out in the water
[1:07:50] um you know on boats or in rescue gear
[1:07:52] so you know
[1:07:54] the comfort is having a larger boat we
[1:07:55] know that's coming
[1:07:57] and we're looking at a third of a
[1:07:58] hundred thousand
[1:07:59] what's that one third of a hundred
[1:08:00] thousand right yes yes if we decide to
[1:08:03] buy it correct right okay
[1:08:05] so and any maintenance costs or anything
[1:08:07] everything that
[1:08:09] going forward now for this first year is
[1:08:10] all split three ways right
[1:08:14] questions comments
[1:08:16] i guess comment the worst question would
[1:08:18] be
[1:08:19] if you find out the whole engine blows
[1:08:21] up
[1:08:22] in this one year trial period
[1:08:25] are you required to fix it
[1:08:27] or is it considered a
[1:08:29] messed up boat and i don't want it
[1:08:31] anymore
[1:08:32] just to
[1:08:33] i mean i could see something like that
[1:08:35] happening you know
[1:08:36] worse worst case right
[1:08:38] we gotta give it back to him like we got
[1:08:40] it or yeah right i mean just
[1:08:43] not sure how you address that
[1:08:45] we are we are pursuing a insurance
[1:08:46] policy so one that's taking the lead on
[1:08:48] that we'll contribute one-third of the
[1:08:50] cost for that insurance policy and we're
[1:08:52] looking to address a lot of those
[1:08:54] through that policy that would be a
[1:08:56] biggest concern buying a lemon i mean
[1:08:59] it has been used in three years
[1:09:01] well the good news is is that at least
[1:09:03] we get a chance to use it for free for a
[1:09:05] year to unless something happens and
[1:09:07] that year works out mechanically yeah
[1:09:10] it'll be fully inspected i think too
[1:09:11] right okay diesel or gas issue
[1:09:16] there's not a lot that goes wrong with
[1:09:17] those jobs
[1:09:19] once it's all dried out for
[1:09:20] three years and there's no oil in it and
[1:09:23] i mean i'm just yeah we're we're having a very thorough
[1:09:27] you know dry inspection done then we'll
[1:09:29] do another wet inspection okay so
[1:09:31] hopefully we'll you know we would we
[1:09:33] would catch any you know anything like
[1:09:34] that right thanks seals and all that
[1:09:36] stuff will be looked at by the mechanic
[1:09:37] it's muds and marinas who were scaled to
[1:09:39] take it to you know start so sure
[1:09:44] i guess we don't get to go water skiing
[1:09:46] out of that either do it
[1:09:50] you might want to move the fourth of
[1:09:51] july parade
[1:09:54] in the parade
[1:09:56] all right is there any public comment on
[1:09:58] this item tom you want to share any
[1:09:59] thoughts on this while you're your last
[1:10:01] shot for the evening
[1:10:05] okay
[1:10:06] [Music]
[1:10:08] all right
[1:10:09] we're ready to see if we can move this
[1:10:10] along
[1:10:12] may i have a motion to adopt resolution
[1:10:14] number
[1:10:15] 2022
[1:10:17] so move
[1:10:18] second
[1:10:20] all right roll call vote trustee credit
[1:10:22] yes trustee swerk yes christy mancini
[1:10:24] yes
[1:10:25] president rince yes
[1:10:28] okay
[1:10:29] thanks a lot john i appreciate that
[1:10:32] you've heard the concerns though and
[1:10:34] then certainly when you get back with
[1:10:35] the group make sure that we can
[1:10:37] you can address those at some point in
[1:10:39] time
[1:10:40] weekly report would be a great place to
[1:10:42] just answer those questions if you could
[1:10:45] thanks
[1:10:47] all right
[1:10:49] last resolution of the evening is
[1:10:51] resolution number r65 2022 waiving
[1:10:54] competitive bidding and approving a
[1:10:56] purchase of a line track
[1:10:59] from all tech industries this is for
[1:11:01] adoption
[1:11:03] due to huh
[1:11:05] oh
[1:11:06] and it turns out that we have to defer
[1:11:08] this because there's
[1:11:11] we need issues trustees to vote
[1:11:14] for waving bid
[1:11:16] so there are only three here present
[1:11:18] tonight so we'll defer this to the next
[1:11:20] meeting in june
[1:11:21] um brian the contractor is acknowledging
[1:11:24] this is ready to go and should be okay thank you
[1:11:31] that's correct village manager bain
[1:11:32] we've talked with all tech kids and we
[1:11:34] believe that deferral will not
[1:11:36] jeopardize this
[1:11:38] decision for the council to make it to
[1:11:39] june meeting thank you yeah yeah my only
[1:11:42] concern if you guys read you know read
[1:11:44] that item in the packet was that it
[1:11:46] feels like there's a time crunch even
[1:11:48] though we're not getting this thing for
[1:11:50] three years
[1:11:51] so
[1:11:52] uh anyway we'll see that again on june
[1:11:54] 7th and hopefully be able to move that
[1:11:56] along
[1:11:57] all right uh item nine no business
[1:11:59] there's none item ten new business there
[1:12:01] is none item eleven appointments there
[1:12:03] are none
[1:12:05] and
[1:12:08] item 12 closed session there is none
[1:12:11] and item 13 is adjourned may i have a
[1:12:13] motion to adjourn so moved second voice
[1:12:16] vote all those in favor all right
[1:12:18] opposed
[1:12:19] to standard