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together to discuss difficult issues in
a civil and respectful fashion. Welcome

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to the July 1, 2026 Wka Park District
Board of Commissioners special meeting.

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I'd like to call this meeting to order
at 4:32 and ask Saba to take a roll call

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for attendance.
>> Commissioner Cotto

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» here.
>> Commissioner

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» here. Commissioner R
>> here. Commissioner present.

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» Commissioner Tyson
>> here. Commissioner Sean

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» here.
>> President Gibson

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» here.

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» At this time, please stand if you're
able for the pledge of allegiance

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to the flag of the United States of
America and to the republic for it

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stands. One nation under God,
indivisible, with liberty and justice

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for all.

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to section 1.3 of the agenda and then
may I have a motion for the July 1, 2026

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special meeting agenda as presented?
>> So moved.

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» Second.
>> Any discussion here?

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» No. Right. May I have a voice on this,
please? All those in favor?

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» I.
>> Any opposed?

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All right. Thank you.
Thank you all for coming this afternoon.

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Many of you were at last night's village
meeting, so this is a big time

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commitment from you. Um, we will have
public comment at this meeting. First, I

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want you to know that the park district
did not reject the village's proposed

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pilot program for leash dog beach at
Tower Road. The purpose of this meeting

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today, called on Monday afternoon, is to
consider the proposed dog beach pilot

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program at Tower Road Beach. At our June
25th, 2026 meeting, we asked our

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attorney to seek a further change to a
document required for the pilot program.

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And in light of that requested change
and um some other outstanding

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operational items that needed attention,
we undertook as a board to set up a

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special meeting in less than a week to
vote on the pilot program. We have

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responded promptly to the village on the
pilot program every time sharing

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operational insights and so on. I plan
to say the following at last night's

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village meeting but I was unable so I
will say it now. The village council

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members and staff have expended a
tremendous amount of time and energy in

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planning their pilot um program. We
appreciate that work that has gone into

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the plan and I think it's a real
solution for dog owners who want to have

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their dogs off leash on a beach and for
whom the early morning hours work. The

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park district cannot offer an off leash
dog beach option at this time because we

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do not have permitting approval for from
the village for a barrier that we're

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required to have. The second option that
Bob Dearborn, the village president,

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enumerated in his introduction last
night, um is that uh is that of a pilot

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dog beach program at Tower and the
ability to have dogs on Centennial, even

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if that is only on leash. Um that was
never proposed to us, but certainly

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would have been considered by our board.
Up until last night, the proposal was to

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move the dog beach to tower as part of
that pilot program. It's untrue that the

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park district is not unnoticed from Cook
County Animal Control that we need a

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barrier on Centennial in order to
prevent dogs from wandering off the

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beach. In addition to written
communications and in-person meetings

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with animal control officers and
leadership, advice of legal counsel in

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connection with Cooks County's animal
and um excuse me, animal and rabies

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control ordinance and related
regulations.

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At the Dillages meeting May 19, 2026,
Cook County Commissioner Scott Britain

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at the 1 hour 16 minute and 30 second
time stamp spoke at the meeting to say

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that quote, "From my perspective, if you
want a dog off leash in the village of

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Wana on Lake Michigan, there has to be
some sort of barrier. That's all I know

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is a fact." End quote.
Second, the park district is well aware

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of our passionate um dog beach
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We know that all would like to have an
all off leash dog at Centennial and

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we've tried over the years many
different plans to accomplish this

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starting with a simple replacement of a
chain link fence that was originally

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installed in 2009 to stop dogs from
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requirements, regulations, and permit
requirements have only become more and

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more complicated as time passes. We will
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village for a solution here. Okay. At
this time, I would like to um uh turn to

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public comment. This is your opportunity
to address the board on any issue. When

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called upon, please come to the center
position in front of the commissioners,

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stand at the podium, speak in the
microphone, and state your name for the

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record. Please address your comments
directly to the board in accordance with

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section 4.2 of the board policy manual
and is referenced in public access

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counselor opinion 2024 pack 81900.
Each speaker is permitted up to three

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minutes to provide public comment after
being recognized. Speakers may not

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combine, transfer, or yield their
allotted time to others. If you prefer

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to submit your comments in writing this
evening, you may do so by providing them

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to a member of the park district staff.
At this time, I'm going to start with

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the back row and ask speakers to come
forward um in an orderly fashion as you

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sort of assign yourselves. Could I ask a
question before we do this? Just real

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quickly, clarification. Um what why has
no fence been approved? Like what what

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is the fundamental issue with approving
a fence? like what what is the problem?

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Like I guess that's what I'm a little
unclear on like can't we do a pretty

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fence or what's the issue?
>> Um so we can address that after a public

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comment. I'd be more than happy to share
the process that we've embarked on and

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you know we can I think a lot of people
here have um several um you know

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different ideas. Um but I what I would
say is we are a separate taxing body

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than the village. However, we are
subject to zoning requirements imposed

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by the village and thus far the
different fencing plans that we've

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proposed that have attempted to satisfy
various regulations

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um have not been approved by the village
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we can address that.
>> Okay. So, in the back row, there's so

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many people. I'm hoping you can just
sort of assign yourselves the order that

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you go into, but let's start at the back
row with public comment.

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[cough]
>> My name is Kimberly Marsh. Um, I'm a fog

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holder and daily user of Centennial Dog
Beach for 30 years. The current majority

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of Neck Park District Board created this
fiasco by insisting that a chainlink

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fence on the sand was the only solution
to achieve an off leash dog friendly

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area. The Wenea Park District repeatedly
lied to us by stating that Cook County

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Animal Control regulations require a
fence on the sand. The current FOB gate

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on the bluff meets all Cook County
animal control requirements for dog

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friendly areas such as a dog beach
boarded by Lake Michigan. all of the

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chaos and divisiveness regarding the on
leash requirement for swimming dogs,

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haphazard and mystifying ranger
enforcement, and the proposed closing of

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Centennial Dog Beach serves one resident
who created his own problem by building

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next to a dog beach that has operated
happily without incident for 30 years.

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The Waneka Park District, not the
village of Wankka, is solely responsible

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for this mess because of their ongoing
insistence on serving the needs of one

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individual.
I would like to suggest a sensible

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solution.
The repeal of the Winnipeg Park District

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leash requirement on the sand and its
enforcement through sporadic leash law

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education by rangers. The purported
safety concern about marauding dogs

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strained to Elder Beach can be solved.
Each swimming beach, i.e. Tower, Maple

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and Elder, as well as the Lloyd Boating
Beach hosts an attendant at the entrance

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to check passes and control access to
authorized patrons. The ranger program

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is budgeted at $90,000 for this season
to employ five rangers. Why not post a

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ranger in a beach chair at the south
border of Elder during the hours the

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beach is open? I believe this solution
would be acceptable to dog holders by

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encouraging each dog owner to be mindful
and make sure their dog does not stray

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or risk losing their path. Thank you.
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I'd like to read directly from the Cook
County Animal Control Regulations.

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» So, Cook County Animal Control has
jurisdiction over the animal control

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laws in the entire entirety of Cook
County as of right now.

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The rules for dog friendly areas say
a dog park must be completely enclosed

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by a continuous fence with each entrance
designed in such a manner as to secure

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against accidental opening
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» There is nothing in the rule that
distinguishes an from any other

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property. There's nothing in the
ordinance which distinguishes where this

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rule.
>> How does Will have a dog? How does

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» dog beaches have
one too?

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» All right. Again, I'm going to go with
the order in the back

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» [clears throat]
>> row and I would like people to sort of

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assign themselves who speaks next,
please.

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Hi. So, the three-minute rule seems to
be like a little bit uh behind us now.

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Um he's right about the ordinance. Um
and the commissioner [clears throat]

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didn't really say anything to uh uh
conflict with that. I mean, I find the

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whole thing about the fencing kind of
like the same thing as saying, well, you

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know, speed limit of 55 is only valid if
you choose to follow it. But in any

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case, I'm here because it all does seem
to be clearly designed to benefit one

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taxpayer at the expense of I would say
some and more at the expense of others.

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So, I still haven't gotten my key
because I have applied for it and I want

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it on the same terms as everyone else.
But no,

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the administration made a decision that
if I don't have a dog, I'm only allowed

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one person. But if I have a dog, I can
bring like, you know, my uh 30 closest

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relatives with me to the beach. So, it
seems to me that that taxation without

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representation is an issue. And this
board has sat quietly and allowed this

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um inequitable and discriminatory
treatment to occur. I've asked you

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repeatedly to just say you agree that I
should not be given the same benefits

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for the same money as others and you
just sit there quietly and you don't

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provide me my ke. And now you're doing
this whole thing about like if you exit

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the a a beach or an area that has a a a
a gate, a controlled gate, you can only

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exit entry through that gate. I find
that interesting because it's written in

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a broad sense, but it only applies to
one location. And so anyone that were to

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happen to traverse the beach north or
south could get their key fob taken

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away. And we already know that the south
neighbor has sent letters to others who

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were properly walking their dogs on
leashes saying that somehow park

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district rules apply south of Sentinel
Beach. It's all very disappointing and

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all very sad and I believe it shows a
level of

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[sighs]
of dishonor that you know really is

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unfortunate. You guys should be
representing the entire community, all

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taxpayers. I still have I still don't
know if a beach belong a dog beach

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belongs anywhere, but I'm not going to
go there. I mean, there are compromises

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I can see. But in this case, you had
your park rangers spreading

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misinformation.
It's my understanding. I can't go there

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because I don't have key, right? But I
hear things. And and here we are. And I

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knew this wasn't going to go anywhere
because this fails the one most

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important aspect. I might go a few
seconds longer. The one most important

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aspect of the whole purpose of the beach
there. Now, if we go back in time,

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originally when this whole land talk was
going on, the beach was leaving. It was

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going to not be there because there was
going to be a louvered fence 250 ft out

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into the lake. I'm about to But you were
talking to other people.

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uh 250. And of course at that point the
southern owner was I don't want the dogs

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there because they're going to make
noise and I have a fence going 250. But

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when that fence went away all of a
sudden what's the next best option? A

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fence for a dog park. And you guys have
been complicit.

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[applause]
Applause. That's actually not the way

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the way this meeting goes. I we you know
we can appla we can applaud several

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different viewpoints but we're not going
to do that. Can we have the next person

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in the in the back come up and speak
please?

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» While that person comes up, can I ask a
clarifying question from last night to

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tonight to today? Last night they said
and make

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» Please come up to the microphone so it
can be recorded what your comment is.

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» Okay, other than [cough] three minutes
I'm just asking. Um, last night they

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said that the village was now giving
>> state your name and make your public

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comment. Megan Omera I live in he
followed. So last night when I was at

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the meeting the village said that they
were giving the decision to the park

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district. Is that true?
>> What decision

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» on Centennial as far as off leash?
>> We cannot enter into question and answer

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» and barriers.
>> We can't we can't enter into question.

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I'm sorry. We just can't do
>> okay but but David just help me

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understand what these people are saying.
But we can't answer

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a friend of mine, so I don't mind.
[laughter]

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» But but it would just be more clear to
me as these people are asking for what

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they're asking if you're truly in charge
of the beach versus the village. That's

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what they said last night.
>> They said they're giving it to you.

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» Okay. The village put a proposal in
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Okay. They delivered us their proposal.
Two, one, have an off leash dog park at

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Tower. Their property. We've got to work
through that lease. We have a lease

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since 1942 that we operate on their
property as well as our property at

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Tower. As part of that agreement, they
put in the in the document they

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delivered us to close Centennial.
>> Okay.

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» To dogs
>> for dogs.

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We didn't negotiate this with them. They
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us.
>> That was not said last night.

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» Well, that's a fact.
>> Yeah, I I believe you, but I'm just

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saying it wasn't said.
>> I could go on for days, but we are here.

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This body is here to discuss the
proposal from the village and I I would

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gather vote on the proposal. There has
been an inefficient unfortunate timing

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difference. We had a board meeting. They
had a special. Ours came after their

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special. Therefore, we could not vote up
or down prior to their special board

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meeting. But we are here tonight to talk
about the proposal that was delivered to

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us. I'll say one thing. There's already
been one comment that we've requested

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Centennial be closed. Not true. This is
not our agreement. This [clears throat]

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is an agreement that was delivered to
this body by the village. That's the

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facts.
>> Can you post it?

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» Madam Chair, if you are permitting
commissioners to speak, I think there's

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one more important point to be made. The
village with its proposal for a pilot

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program on tower as a home rule
municipality

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has the authority
>> to to pass ordinances that would approve

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an off leash dog park and that is
exactly what they were proposing on

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tower and without a fence. They were
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Correct. So I think that is very
important to understand. And then point

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of clarification, they were saying that
when they had their pilot, dogs would go

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to tower. So that was a a temporary
period [clears throat]

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and that the centennial could at the end
of the pilot reopen for dogs if the park

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district was so inclined to do that. And
and so I want to clarify that because as

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a home rule municipality,
this village has the right to tell Cook

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County, we're going to do this.
>> We don't have that.

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» We don't have
>> Well, it is my opinion. I know we'll

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talk about that, but we don't talk,
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» but I think that was a really good
clarification.

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» I just wanted to answer a bunch of
questions. Thank you for permitting.

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» Okay, so this is very unorthodox for our
meetings, but I think that those both

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help will maybe help people that are
here for public comment. Um, and again,

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I'm going to ask people in the back row
who wish to give public comment to come

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forward in some sort of agreed orderly
way.

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» No. All right. The the row second row up
from the back, please. [clears throat]

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I won't be warm because I think I talked
enough last night. Um, when you guys

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spoke last week about this, I believe
one of you is a dog owner.

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» Can you please state your name?
>> Edward Farmer. Uh,

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Bob.
Uh, one of you is a dog owner and

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mentioned that if you put a lineup at
Tower Beach, 50 dogs would go past it on

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the first day. And so then you guys
talked about the fact that if dogs go

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past that, you're going to three times
you're going to take away their fs. But

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it was your expect it was your
expectation that that would be happening

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over and over again. So is it really a
solution if you expect it to fail?

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Hi, my name is Christine Casper. I live
at 226 Sher Grove and I'm a dog beach

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file holder and I know we can't have
dialogue, but I'm just trying to get

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some really good clarity on this issue.
Um, I'm trying to understand how Cook

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County Animal Control has these rules
that are so I'm glad that the dog beach

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was allowed to operate for so many years
without any fence. I mean, I'm glad I'm

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appreciative to calling in for pointing
out that home rule would allow a non-f

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property. Um, and that's really good
clarity. But um it seems that if you

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were going to apply the rules of a dog
park, then you would need a chain link

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fence in Lake Michigan to keep dogs from
swimming to Indiana. I mean, I don't

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understand. Um I need clarity. I And I
and I've really looked and done the

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research and I've tried to find where it
stayed in the record and I appreciate

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the citation that there was a person who
actually did say this and we had it on

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video. We can review that. But the only
thing I can find um in my research is

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the assertions of the board itself that
this is what Cook County requires. And I

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know the park district can require a
fence. Like you can do it, but I just

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want us to be clear about whose
authority is forcing this issue and how

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we can, you know, hopefully get back to
be able to play. Thank you.

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» Okay. Um anyone else in the second to
last row that wishes to speak?

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Hi, I'm Karen Borwog. We live on
Woodlanda and we're Bob owners. We have

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two labadors. Um, first, thank you for
your time. I know you're all volunteers

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and I do appreciate it. Um, it's a tough
job. Sometimes they can't shop. Um, you

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know, I think one thing about WCK is
special that we could always take our

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dogs to the beach. I've lived here my
entire life and um there seems to be the

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village versus the park district and I
would ask that you uh rise above some of

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that and work really hard and do
whatever you have to do to get dogs free

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again on this beach whether it is a
fence whether it is something to do with

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home rule. Um it was very helpful your
comment to understand where home rule

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stands on all of this and um I would
just encourage all of you to really push

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hard and activity doesn't count for
anything but see results. Thank you.

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Thank you.
Anyone else in the second to last row?

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Hi,

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I'm Chris Gre.
Requests for dog beaching have come from

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the southern neighbor and representative
Sarah as follows. In February on the

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26th of 2025, Miss Nazal Road, the other
option that representatives of the

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southern neighborhood requested to both
our legal council and Cook County Animal

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Control is fencing in the dog beach. Two
months later, in April 2025, the park

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district submitted beach fencing permit
applications to the IDNR, the Army

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Corps, and Cook County Animal Control. I
have a legal question, which is if the

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village has home rule authority that
extends out into the lake, it has zoning

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authority over the park district and all
aspects of the village. Is it possible

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that it can exercise that to make clear
that Centennial Dog Beach may function

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as it always has as an off leash dog
beach within boundaries that are

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demarcated by multiple steel groins and
also a massive armored stone gray water

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that by the terms of the southern
homeowner's own shoreline permit extends

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over his northern property line where S
Centennial Beach is located. The village

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will be adhering to Illinois's Animal
Control Act 2022 amendment that deems

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supervised off leash dogs to be lawfully
present in dog friendly areas like

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Centennial Beach, dog parks, which as
Mr. Simon has noted um even if fully

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fenced would require dogs to be leashed
without a a similar provision applying

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to dog parks and an animal in areas
where hunting is permitted. And all

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three of these different areas would
allow off leash dogs without them being

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deemed to be running at large. I think
we can move past this awful waste of

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time and resources on unnecessary
fencing and restore some order to us.

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And I am talking about the Declaration
of Independence.

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And it says about the king, he has
excited domestic insurrections amongst

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us. And here I'm referring to last
night's meeting where the park district

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was cheered at for its awful proposals,
its threats to democracy,

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nonrepresentative behavior and
abandonment of its public mission. I am

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also talking about he has sent hither
swarms of officers to harass our people

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and eat out their substance. And here
I'm talking about the park districts

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unleashing park rangers among us and
issuing threats of eviction from all

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park district property, banning children
from the beach, and threatening $1,000

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funds. Please become involved with the
Reneeka caucus, participating in

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[clears throat] slating ethical,
representative candidates who are

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committed to publicly oriented park
operations

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» and who are not scornful of the public.
Thank you.

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We have to keep it.
>> Is there anyone who's um okay to stand?

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We have
Thank you.

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Um, hi. I'm a former commissioner. I've
lived in the village for over 30 years.

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My husband and I have been active users
of the dog beach since its inception.

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The dog beach at Centennial was
established in 1995, providing an

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opportunity for residents both with and
without pets to enjoy a peaceful

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gathering place to share time together.
This public space has been enjoyed for

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over 31 years without any problem with
pets or people. But in 2021, that all

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changed. Beginning sometime in 2021,
representatives of the park district

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engaged in numerous private and legally
questionable negotiations with the

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prospective homeowner to repurpose
Centennial and to eliminate the dog

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beach. At one point, a $3 million
donation was profered with significant

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restrictions. To my knowledge, the $3
million has never been paid. Last night,

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the village council declined to act on a
proposal that was largely crafted by the

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Ranka Park district to temporarily
relocate Dog Beach to Tower Road. This

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so-called creative or elegant solution
serves little purpose. This could be

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perceived to be an effort to mllify a
homeowner who made the conscious

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decision to build a home next to a
public park in dog beach and now doesn't

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like it. This raises the question of who
is the constituency being served? A

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single homeowner with unfulfilled
promises of paying millions to achieve

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his personal goals or the entire Winnipe
community who supports the continued use

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of Centennial as it has served the
community for over 31 years. It is

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common knowledge within the village that
this homeowner has threatened lawsuits

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against the village, the Waka Park
district, the commissioners of the Waka

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Park District and trustees of the
village that unless they serve his

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interests as opposed to those of the
community, he will file some sort of a

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lawsuit. This would impose a substantial
burden on alla taxpayers. However,

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should a lawsuit be filed, many in the
community will welcome the opportunity

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for a thorough review of the discovery
materials that most certainly will be

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produced. The Rene Park District Board
has little credibility at the moment in

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the village, largely due to the complete
mismanagement of the situation since

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2021.
The numerous questionable decisions made

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by this board during this process have
become a flash point with the community.

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This was evident last night. Please have
the courage to do your fiduciary duty

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and to act on behalf of the entire
community. Thank you.

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» If individuals needed a place to sit,
there are some seats in the lobby as

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well.

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Linda Welsh, thirdyear user of the dog
reach. Last month, I went to the Montro

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dog beach. It is 3.8 acres. It's huge.
It's beautiful. I counted at least 50

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people at their dog beach and as many
dogs peacefully coexisting. It It was a

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lovely sight to see a beautiful day.
There are rocks, low rocks, much lower

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than 205's rocks bordering the north
edge. Um, there is a see-through plastic

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fence, dune fencing, quite flimsy,
separating a large people beach from the

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dog beach. There is a gate with some
chain link fencing to enter. And at the

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west end of this beach, at least half of
that 1.5 acres is open to the table end.

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No chain leak fencing, no problem. I
have been to Wilmet Dog Beach on

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numerous occasions. They have rocks and
they have a flimsy dune fencing with

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that lightweight fencing separating the
the sailing beach from the dog beach.

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Rocks on the other side, no chain link
fencing, no problem. My understanding is

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both these beaches are in Cooktown. Um
please keep this our Centennial Dog

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Beach open. Please listen to the public.
I appreciate your time. Thank you.

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» All right.
Um, anyone else in the second to last?

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» Rob Shan, 656 Maple Street,
resident taxpaying citizen.

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Um, thanks for everything you guys are
doing. at least the time you're putting

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into it. On multiple occasions, the park
district has testified under submitted

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testimony that refuts the permit
applications false representations that

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Cook County ordered it to put up fencing
on Centennial Beach.

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To date, the park district has produced
nothing to support that representation.

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Commissioner Britain's May 19th, 2026
testimony to the village council refused

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the park district's representation. He
said he could not speak defensing, I

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recall, and that solely as a personal
insurance attorney, he would say that

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barriers are needed.
Two easily located statements by Mr. The

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Tulis January 23 meeting minutes state
that like it the Evston dog beach a

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steel groin may serve as a natural
barrier for the Centennial Dog Beach and

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answering ZBA's fall 24 questions 2024
he said that Cook Countyy's ordinance

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would have to be amended to apply to dog
breaches at Budding Lake Michigan eg or

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IE there are no fencing rules that
currently apply

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in response to ZBA Commissioner Hower's
question as to the necessity for fencing

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in Lake Michigan. Miss Nazal conceded
that it is not the only option,

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describing what is needed as a case as
on a case-bycase basis.

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Cook County Animal Control has been
consulting with the Cook County Law

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Department and the state's attorney's
office over the course of three calendar

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years because of what appears to be on
first impression the park district's

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contradictory and illogical claims that
Cook County has mandatory fencing rules

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for Lake Michigan dog beaches. That Cook
County ordinance does not apply to dog

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areas that Lake Michigan and that these
rules would need to be amended to apply.

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The park district also has seemingly had
numerous interactions with the

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veterinarian who leads the animal
control to claim non-existent legal

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authority to wave the code's
requirements. Keep in mind that the

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administrator would come under constant
pressure to exceed to request for

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unauthorized waiverss if the district
were to get its way even for

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vaccinations or other health and safety
requirements. To date, Cook County has

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not signed off on the park district's
overreach requests. most recently

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stating on April 17th of 2026 something
along the lines of we're going to ask

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for a state attorney office opinion on
the Waka dog park. It has also expressed

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an ongoing need to review the legalities
of the park district's project. November

413
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:12,320
of 2025,
discussed awareness of shoreline access

414
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:16,480
issues. November of 20 2025
has said its ordinance does not speak

415
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:21,760
directly to the park district's unique
situation, quote unquote, November 2025

416
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:25,920
has stated that it did not grant a
waiver of its fencing rules. November of

417
00:36:24,720 --> 00:36:28,960
2024.
>> Please make your comments

418
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:32,000
» and call the beach dog friendly area
such that partial fencing does not

419
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:36,480
[clears throat] violate the rules.
September 24. All this is

420
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:40,160
» please wrap up your comments.
>> Park district's misrepresentation that

421
00:36:38,240 --> 00:36:45,760
Cook County instructed to build Lake
Michigan dog beach fence.

422
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:50,160
You know, finally,
as everybody knows, [clears throat] I

423
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:55,520
settled my claim against the park
district related to the land swap solely

424
00:36:52,320 --> 00:37:00,480
because the park district reached out,
not because I wanted to and asked. And

425
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:05,040
in so doing, the settlement represented
a clear victory for the law. Namely,

426
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:09,760
that the public trust doctrine ensures
public access to public beaches by the

427
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:15,440
taxpaying citizens.
After 30 years of community precedent,

428
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:18,800
it now seems the park district
up to

429
00:37:16,079 --> 00:37:23,280
» construct a fence cage on the beach,
which serves as a ploy to once again

430
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:27,359
essentially privatize or impede beach
access and to favor the interest of a

431
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:31,839
private property owner over the rights
of the taxpaying public. You know, you

432
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:35,920
can suppress somebody who's
>> We don't want to suppress it. We want

433
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:40,560
that. It's really not effective. It's
really not effective and it just shows

434
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:46,160
the immaturity of judgment on your part
and your lack of and and your lack of

435
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:48,400
respect for people that are taking the
time to

436
00:37:46,720 --> 00:37:52,240
» we're respecting all the people that are
sitting here listening which is why

437
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:54,079
» stop talking. Raise your hands.
>> I do.

438
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,280
» Three. Great.
>> Yeah.

439
00:37:54,720 --> 00:37:57,839
» Thank you.
>> Yeah.

440
00:37:55,680 --> 00:38:02,720
» The rules don't apply to you, do they,
Rob? The three men.

441
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:08,880
» Okay. All right.
Can I have the truth?

442
00:38:06,079 --> 00:38:12,960
» Can we go to the second? Can we go to
more people that wish to speak? All

443
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:15,960
right. And Taylor, can you turn? Thank
you.

444
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:23,920
Hi, I'm going to change the town. My
name is

445
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:28,960
» Excuse me. Hey. Hey.
>> Hey, Rob. John, please come on.

446
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:30,800
» Talk to John.
>> Both.

447
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:32,000
» Thank you.
>> Thank you.

448
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:36,320
» Thank you.
>> Thank you for letting me speak. I

449
00:38:33,599 --> 00:38:42,560
appreciate it. Um, my name is Tara
Mayer. I am a dog owner. I actually have

450
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:49,359
a fog. I never use it. I think I've used
it three times. Um, I'm also a mom of a

451
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:55,839
couple teenagers. My husband and I moved
to 292 Sheridan uh 8 years ago and most

452
00:38:53,920 --> 00:39:01,440
of the time the beach has been closed.
So, I definitely want the beach open,

453
00:38:57,599 --> 00:39:06,880
right? Fun for everyone. Um, I also am a
person who really believes in compromise

454
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:13,760
and uh kindness and caring to other
human beings. Um, that said,

455
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:18,320
I believe there's a way for everybody to
be happy. Uh, my husband and I had the

456
00:39:16,240 --> 00:39:23,440
fortune to have a sailboat at Bowmont
Harbor in the city. There is a dog beach

457
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:29,680
there. It runs beautifully. We also
currently have a sailboat in uh, Bow

458
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:36,000
Harbor and there's another example of a
dog beach that is successful. Uh, people

459
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:41,440
are following the rules. The handful of
times I've been down to the Waka dog

460
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:46,560
beach, I've seen nothing but
friendliness to each other, people

461
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:54,160
picking up after, respecting their dogs.
Um, I'm not certain what the answer is,

462
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:59,839
but I am 100% sure that kindness and
level-minded interaction can bring

463
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:03,720
happiness to the community and a good
solution. And that's

464
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:19,440
Oops.
>> Irene Smith. I wasn't planning to speak

465
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:24,400
tonight, but something happened last
night I've never seen in Waka. U and

466
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:29,119
I've lived here 40 years and I've
attended many meetings.

467
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:34,480
I believe
one of the reasons it happened and that

468
00:40:31,119 --> 00:40:41,440
is all the discord we saw last night.
A lot of it may have happened because

469
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:48,160
one or more of your park rangers
last weekend approached everyone who

470
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:53,359
came to the dog beach and said something
like, you know, your your leash has to

471
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:59,119
be 6 feet or shorter, blah blah blah.
We're going to take away your And then

472
00:40:55,359 --> 00:41:06,000
he said, "Be sure to attend the village
meeting on Tuesday night

473
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:13,680
and state your complaints."
You know, that's all wrong.

474
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:20,079
It is not the village's perview to talk
and fix Centennial Beach. It's yours.

475
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:27,839
And I think that people who attended
last night maybe didn't realize that the

476
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:33,520
village is a separate taxing body from
three others from the parks, from the

477
00:41:30,240 --> 00:41:40,640
library, from the schools. The village
does not have control of everybody in

478
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:44,560
every area of this town. It's just not
like that.

479
00:41:42,319 --> 00:41:51,920
So it worries me that somebody was
feeding bad information

480
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:58,560
from the park district to users of the
dog beach and blaming the village which

481
00:41:56,240 --> 00:42:04,240
really and truly it's just
misinformation. It's just wrong. So I

482
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:08,800
think for all of you fine people who
were here last night and I so I mean who

483
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:13,920
were at the village last night. I so
appreciated you being there. I think the

484
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:20,720
misinformation came from the park
district and I'm not happy about that. I

485
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:24,880
think that was a big mistake. Thank you.
>> President Gibson, can I comment on that?

486
00:42:22,720 --> 00:42:27,680
If that was the case, um we'll look into
it because that would absolutely be not

487
00:42:26,319 --> 00:42:32,480
appropriate by staff to do.
>> Okay.

488
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:37,480
» All right. Um anyone else in the second
to last row to make public comment

489
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:41,920
to the next row? Okay.

490
00:42:42,319 --> 00:42:49,594
Matthew Derek 1096 beach. I'm actually a
citizen of um the king of England. But

491
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:51,760
um
[laughter]

492
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:57,040
subject
>> I think that the dog beach we've had a

493
00:42:53,839 --> 00:43:01,920
dog b for probably 15 years now and had
no problems at all with it until very

494
00:42:59,359 --> 00:43:06,319
recently and I think that it should be
something that should be continued and

495
00:43:04,240 --> 00:43:10,680
no one there will be three human
swimming beaches. Just make L2.

496
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:19,720
» Thank you.

497
00:43:21,119 --> 00:43:29,760
» Is it I guess we've moved to the um sec
second from the front. So I guess it's

498
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:32,160
the second row. Is there anyone in the
second row who wishes to speak?

499
00:43:31,515 --> 00:43:36,680
[clears throat]
All right, let's move to the first row.

500
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:48,960
Hi, I'm Tina. I uh a resident and a file
holder.

501
00:43:44,240 --> 00:43:55,280
I appreciate um those who have spoken
about the various details of meetings

502
00:43:52,160 --> 00:44:05,520
that have been held and whatnot.
I um am just wondering where the 6 to 8

503
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:11,760
a.m. thing came up. Um, I I it's like
how do we go from all day to 6:00 to

504
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:16,960
8:00 a.m.? It just seems insane. So, uh,
I just would be curious where that came

505
00:44:13,839 --> 00:44:21,760
from. Clearly, it would be very few
users who use it at that time in my

506
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:28,960
opinion. But um the other thing is I
would like to see the actual complaints

507
00:44:26,720 --> 00:44:37,040
that were filed
uh by uh whomever stated that dogs were

508
00:44:33,599 --> 00:44:43,040
going over to elder. Um
there should be some documentation that

509
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:50,640
you know maybe foy we can you know
request and see those. My experience I'm

510
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:56,480
down there nearly every day. Um, I have
never once seen a dog go over to elder,

511
00:44:54,160 --> 00:45:03,520
which has just recently opened up as a
people beach. Um, and I mean it would

512
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:07,599
require that they like jump up over I
don't even know. It just doesn't make

513
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:12,386
sense. And then as far as the
southernmost neighbor, I mean, he's

514
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:16,560
built
[clears throat]

515
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:23,680
like a wall of of rocks that go out.
Just there's no way the dogs could go

516
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:28,079
over there. Um, so I don't know where
this is all coming from, but somebody

517
00:45:25,599 --> 00:45:33,280
doesn't want us to have our dogs off
leash. And I love the fact they have a

518
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:39,680
fob. I think that makes it real safe and
secure and avoids, you know, strange

519
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:46,240
strangers coming on to the beach. And if
we can just resume that,

520
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:49,240
I'd appreciate it. Thank you. And my dog
Tucker.

521
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:57,359
» I'm going to change the topic for a
second. U my name is Charles G and I was

522
00:45:55,520 --> 00:46:02,319
just wondering what the status of the
lightning detection system at North Park

523
00:46:00,079 --> 00:46:05,599
and the you know park district property
that's in Northfield is what the status

524
00:46:03,839 --> 00:46:09,520
of that is. I don't know if that's
something you can reply back to. I know

525
00:46:07,119 --> 00:46:13,440
the president's been set back and forth
so I don't know if there is a date that

526
00:46:11,119 --> 00:46:17,280
you can give you or a status um or if
you want to wait to respond to me in a

527
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:20,800
different manner that's great. Um
secondly I'm just wondering uh we were

528
00:46:19,359 --> 00:46:24,560
down at Taro Beach the other night. What
is the status? Oh, I know they maybe

529
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:28,480
this is a village question. They fenced
it farther back now so there's no

530
00:46:26,240 --> 00:46:32,240
parking down on the pier. Is that
something that the park district is

531
00:46:29,839 --> 00:46:35,440
working with the village to get that
pier finally repaired because if you

532
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:38,880
want to have the dog beach and stuff
down there to kind of make it more

533
00:46:37,359 --> 00:46:44,160
inconvenient for people who may be
handicapped. So that was a question I

534
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:49,040
had. And thirdly, I just want to make it
perfectly clear and let me repeat

535
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:54,640
myself. At no time have I ever been up
here as a trustee for the village of

536
00:46:51,599 --> 00:46:58,960
Northfield. I'm speaking as a Northfield
resident at a village of natural park

537
00:46:56,880 --> 00:47:04,160
district resident. So let me repeat that
at no time anything that I've said or

538
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:07,680
talked about is representing any way
anything from the village of Northfield

539
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:11,920
whether it was about that or anything
else that I talked about. So I just want

540
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:15,280
to make sure that that's perfectly clear
and I attended the meeting the other

541
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:18,319
night. I think you guys did a great job.
for those who weren't here went from

542
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:22,400
like 6:00 to 11:30 at night. It was a
very long meeting and I appreciate you

543
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:28,520
having another meeting today to discuss
this and go through things you're doing.

544
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:28,520
So, thank you very much for your time.

545
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:33,640
» Do we have anyone else in the

546
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:41,680
» case apologies for my voice um cold and
um this issue is not important to me,

547
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:46,880
but I need to come here to make my voice
heard even if it's barely audible. Um,

548
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:51,119
here I've proposed the ordinance moving
the dog beach from Centennial to the

549
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:55,040
Tower Road Beach in the early morning.
In addition, I'm asking you to find a

550
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:59,760
way to keep dogs off leash on Centennial
Beach. I've lived in the village since

551
00:47:56,800 --> 00:48:03,599
2012. One of the reason we moved was the
proximity to the lake and the wonderful

552
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:08,000
dog beach the village has. We moved to
WCA with our chocolate ly we brought all

553
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:12,240
the time till we passed in 2020. And now
we have Daisy who we bring almost daily

554
00:48:10,079 --> 00:48:16,560
in the summer. Our family loves Lake and
Beach and so do our dogs. We are regular

555
00:48:14,319 --> 00:48:20,880
users of Centennial daily in the summer
and I have three main concerns. One, the

556
00:48:18,319 --> 00:48:24,480
notice about this thing, the pilot
program as an alternative and also the

557
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:27,760
underlying premise of Centennial having
a problem. First, the notice this

558
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:31,680
proposal came forward with very little
advanced warning. Um, many of us only

559
00:48:30,079 --> 00:48:36,559
learned about this days before this
meeting. Um, a change that eliminates a

560
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:40,880
beloved amenity that we use daily
deserves more time and a real chance for

561
00:48:38,559 --> 00:48:44,400
public input.
Um it's very upsetting. The first quiz I

562
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:47,839
had was an email sent on a Friday
evening. I didn't even care about that.

563
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:52,880
Did you see it? Because Friday evening
is notorious for missing emails. Um this

564
00:48:51,813 --> 00:48:57,200
[clears throat] is something that really
should be discussed in the off season,

565
00:48:55,040 --> 00:49:00,240
not not during peak season. Secondly,
and more importantly, this is

566
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:05,040
unacceptable alternative. The proposed
go 6 to 8:30 doesn't reflect how we

567
00:49:03,359 --> 00:49:08,800
actually use the beach. I realize this
is an individual point, but most

568
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:12,319
mornings are spent trying to get kids up
ready for camp, get ready for the day,

569
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:15,599
getting them where we need. There's no
time to take the dog to the dog beach.

570
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:19,680
The afternoon is when we go. The dog
gets a quick walk in the morning in the

571
00:49:17,359 --> 00:49:24,079
middle of the day when it's so hot, 90°.
It's a perfect place to take a dog to

572
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:30,480
swim, perfect place for her to get her
best exercise. And if you take that

573
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:35,520
away, that it's just feels unacceptable
to me. Um yeah, [clears throat] short

574
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:39,680
early time slot does not replace that.
One of the things about entangle that's

575
00:49:37,119 --> 00:49:44,240
open all day. Um it allows you to take
your dog to the beach whenever it fits

576
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:47,599
your needs. It's really super crowded
and almost always get a parking spot.

577
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:52,720
Moving it to Tower Road will change all
of that. And not to it may also create

578
00:49:50,559 --> 00:49:55,920
problems where there were none which
brings my next point. The underlying

579
00:49:54,720 --> 00:50:00,319
premise is that there's a problem with
the 10 closet dog reach. Centennial is

580
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:05,200
the safe option for dogs and dog owners.
A near parking lot, an easy set of

581
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:09,280
stairs at the washing station there to
clean our dogs afterwards. Tower Road

582
00:50:06,720 --> 00:50:12,559
does not have any of that. Centennial is
the best option for dogs. In all the

583
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:15,440
years I've used it, I've never seen or
heard about a problem with it. Dog

584
00:50:14,079 --> 00:50:20,480
owners are responsible and they're
invested in Centennial as the dog beach.

585
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:25,200
The only issues and problems have come
once the loud and latitigious neighbor

586
00:50:22,559 --> 00:50:28,720
has moved into the south of the beach.
Centennial's dog beach isn't a minor

587
00:50:27,119 --> 00:50:31,920
convenience. This is where many of us go
every day where our dog get the best

588
00:50:30,240 --> 00:50:36,880
exercise, especially on the hottest of
summer days like today. And where J

589
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:40,400
community has formed to take away in the
middle of the summer with almost no

590
00:50:38,079 --> 00:50:42,079
notice and not a real alternative is
egregious.

591
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:45,920
» Regious.
>> And we met there are three wonderful

592
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:49,839
beaches people to go to. Tower Maple and
now the reopen elder and the recently

593
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:54,480
replenished Floyd Beach is perfect for
boating, kayaks and whoever wants to

594
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:58,880
hang out there. But the tennis for dogs
and dog owners and made open that is

595
00:50:56,720 --> 00:51:02,720
what we expect we buy our beach passes
in good faith for the year to change it

596
00:51:01,359 --> 00:51:07,200
now. And not to mention the way that's
being done is unacceptable. I'm asking

597
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:12,240
the board to vote this part program and
find a way like I had good faith but I

598
00:51:09,119 --> 00:51:15,839
bought my fob uh oh sorry but I bought
my fob. I have good faith that

599
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:19,920
Centennial will be open through this
peak season and that we can all come to

600
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:24,520
a solution uh during the offse. Thank
you very much. Thank your time.

601
00:51:21,359 --> 00:51:24,520
» Thank you.

602
00:51:25,119 --> 00:51:35,119
» Hi, my name is Meg Zal. Um I'm a teacher
in Waneka, so I know what it's like to

603
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:39,599
have a lot of unhappy parents. Look at
they're not usually unhappy, right? Um I

604
00:51:38,079 --> 00:51:43,839
just want I do really want to say thank
you. This is a really annoying position

605
00:51:41,839 --> 00:51:47,599
to be in. when you come in with goodwill
and people are upset, it's just a

606
00:51:46,079 --> 00:51:51,599
bummer, especially when you invest a lot
of time in it. I really thank you for

607
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:56,240
volunteering your time. I'm so heartened
to hear that it really sounds like this

608
00:51:53,920 --> 00:52:02,800
is a lot of misunderstanding. It sounds
like there might be permissible use to

609
00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:08,000
have off leash locations on a beach
safely. That's fabulous. It also sounds

610
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:10,800
like, okay, just because the pilot
program may not make sense right now,

611
00:52:09,599 --> 00:52:14,880
that's okay. We don't need to close
Centennial. I think everyone can leave

612
00:52:12,559 --> 00:52:18,960
here feeling happy. Um I know I learned
a few things today. Um I love I really

613
00:52:17,359 --> 00:52:22,960
appreciated the history of the park. I
didn't quite realize it's a it's a

614
00:52:21,119 --> 00:52:29,200
really cool history and um I do just
want to echo there is no problem. This

615
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:33,920
beach is operating as designed. It's a
slice of heaven. It is the best way to

616
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:38,559
de-stress from anything. There's nothing
happier than a gaggle of happy dogs.

617
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:43,200
Like it just boosts your serotonin and
your oxytocin and all your dopamine.

618
00:52:40,319 --> 00:52:47,680
This is such a good age of mental
health. This is where everyone should

619
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:52,559
go. And not to mention that it is an
asset. This adds value to our community.

620
00:52:50,720 --> 00:52:55,520
You all know that the school enrollment
was dipping for a period of time.

621
00:52:54,079 --> 00:52:59,520
There's questions, how do we bring young
people? Well, no one else has a dog

622
00:52:57,680 --> 00:53:02,000
beach this good. Hey, no one. When
people are visiting the out of town,

623
00:53:00,720 --> 00:53:06,640
everyone to dog beach and they're
astounded. I'm like, yeah, move here.

624
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:11,680
Okay. So, I just think I think it's
wonderful. We're all in agreement. Um, I

625
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:15,680
think we can leave here celebrating. You
know, that's my hope. Um, and I do want

626
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:21,800
to thank you for your time and how much,
um, you care. I really appreciate it.

627
00:53:17,839 --> 00:53:21,800
Thank you. Thank you.

628
00:53:23,119 --> 00:53:29,200
» Hello, my name is Lynn Jackson. I live
at 695 Prospect. Um, I wrote a whole

629
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:34,240
speech for last night and didn't get an
opportunity to read it. So, I would like

630
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:38,319
to revised it and would like to just get
straight to the point. Um, I'd like to

631
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:42,800
address the intent of the park district
to make Centennial passive beach. As

632
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:46,720
we've all seen, this is there's
incredibly strong support for an off

633
00:53:44,559 --> 00:53:51,119
leash dog beach. We've had one in this
community for decades, and I'm both

634
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:55,680
furious and heartbroken that our leaders
cannot work effectively together to come

635
00:53:53,280 --> 00:54:00,319
up with a workable solution so we may
preserve Centennial for people and their

636
00:53:57,760 --> 00:54:03,359
dogs. Over the past several months, I've
spoken to members of both the village

637
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:07,359
and the park district boards and have
come away with nothing but a he said,

638
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:12,319
she said explanation of why we are in
this situation. Each side placing the

639
00:54:10,079 --> 00:54:17,599
blame squarely at the other's feet. And
that was clearly on display last night.

640
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:21,440
When asked why we cannot just install a
simple fence at the north end of the

641
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:25,839
beach, I was told by parks that the
village board rejected this plan a few

642
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:29,040
years ago. When asked why the village
board wouldn't approve a simple fence at

643
00:54:27,599 --> 00:54:34,160
the northern end of the beach, I was
told the only plan they've seen is an

644
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:39,280
overengineered cage-like fencing plan.
This infighting has to stop. The only

645
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:44,720
true winner here is the residents of the
south of Centennial who gets a passive

646
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:49,839
beach to his north. No disturbances.
Something that is not lost on any of us.

647
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:53,920
Clearly, the village saw last night we
want a way to keep the unleashed dog

648
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:59,040
beach where it is and will hopefully
revisit options for doing so. Can the

649
00:54:56,720 --> 00:55:04,480
parks board return to the village with a
simple minimum minimal fencing plan?

650
00:55:02,319 --> 00:55:09,359
Install a fence gate, a simple gate at
the north end and the south end. Make it

651
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:13,920
as unintrusive as possible. Work
together with the village to take

652
00:55:10,720 --> 00:55:18,400
advantage of home rule to our benefit. I
know the hope is to join a part of

653
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:23,119
Santana with elders someday. That is not
happening anytime soon. Shia seems to

654
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:27,040
have no interest in donating the land
and the community has no interest in

655
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:31,359
buying it from them. So be open to
keeping the status quo until sometime in

656
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:36,880
the future when this may be a reality
and then move the northern fence down

657
00:55:33,839 --> 00:55:41,839
toward the south. It is time to put your
differences aside and work with us to

658
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:46,640
preserve this off leachch beach for our
residents with dogs. Just like we've

659
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:52,319
given a huge amount of lakefront access
at Lloyd to our residents with boats

660
00:55:49,599 --> 00:55:57,119
where we have issued far fewer um
lakefront boat passes than we do dog

661
00:55:55,280 --> 00:56:00,960
beach passes.
Those coupled with the three dedicated

662
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:07,880
people beaches are wonderful amenities
that offers to all its citizens. Thank

663
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:07,880
you. Thank you.

664
00:56:08,048 --> 00:56:14,079
[clears throat]
>> Sorry, I didn't have time to speak in my

665
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:19,200
role. Uh, my name's Ia Brandon and I
have um I'm 112 gauge. I've lived in

666
00:56:16,720 --> 00:56:22,960
Waga almost my whole life. I've raised
six kids here. I was actually a meart

667
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:28,319
district counselor for several years.
So, I have worked for the organization,

668
00:56:24,799 --> 00:56:34,240
sent my kids to camp here. I was a ke
owner until I thought I'm not having

669
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:37,359
tater tot be accosted by um some park
ranger who's going to tell her she has

670
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:40,000
to be on a leash which I think I'm a
nurse that's one of the most dangerous

671
00:56:38,559 --> 00:56:44,319
things I've ever heard of for an animal
to be chasing tennis balls. Thank you

672
00:56:42,240 --> 00:56:47,839
Centennial for putting old tennis balls
at the top of the beach and that's all

673
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:52,400
the dogs want to do is chase tennis
balls in the water. I've witnessed this

674
00:56:49,599 --> 00:56:56,720
for years. Um,
I'm asking this board, and I thank you

675
00:56:54,480 --> 00:57:02,160
again for your time,
to represent the village of Anaka, to

676
00:56:58,799 --> 00:57:06,160
not represent one owner. We're all
taxpayers. We all love I I didn't choose

677
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:09,599
to live in the western suburbs, even
though my husband currently still does

678
00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:14,319
and he goes back and forth because of
Lake Michigan. I chose to live in Winn

679
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:19,200
and raise my kids here because of Lake
Michigan. Lake Michigan cannot be tamed.

680
00:57:17,119 --> 00:57:23,839
It is an ocean. I've lived on Sheridan
for 10 years at 667.

681
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:27,920
Uh there have been more accidents with
boating and deaths from boating and

682
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:32,400
drownings than there have been any
incident at the Donkey Beach. My worry

683
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:36,559
about this pilot program. Pilots are
meant to be a study.

684
00:57:34,559 --> 00:57:39,680
If they fail, the pilot goes away.
There's no access anywhere. And then

685
00:57:38,079 --> 00:57:42,880
this is just a dead point. I want to
thank every single person that's come.

686
00:57:41,359 --> 00:57:48,240
I've never heard of more meetings in my
life in the evening, in the afternoon

687
00:57:44,799 --> 00:57:51,760
about this one issue.
have [clears throat] a friend over here

688
00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:55,520
said this should be a joyful thing. Why
is this coming to this? I think it's one

689
00:57:53,680 --> 00:58:00,640
of the most ridiculous waste of time.
There should be a compromised. This

690
00:57:57,440 --> 00:58:04,520
should be a dog friendly area off. So
again, thank you.

691
00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:04,520
» Thanks.

692
00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:11,520
» Hello, I'm Sally Tomlinson. I live at
653 Walden Road. Um first I want to

693
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:14,480
thank you all of you park district
commissioners for volunteering your

694
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:17,760
time. I think I've worked with many of
you in KOSA. I got to say, you're losing

695
00:58:16,319 --> 00:58:23,440
here. It's turning gray and it's all
because of this dog issue

696
00:58:20,799 --> 00:58:28,400
since 2019. It's like, oh my god, stop.
Um, so a couple of things. A history

697
00:58:25,359 --> 00:58:32,720
lesson, um, a math lesson, and then an
offer. Um, the history lesson. I feel

698
00:58:30,559 --> 00:58:37,760
like we need to go back a second cuz I'm
I don't understand what all this stuff

699
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:43,839
is. I want to make sure we're all
aligned on the fact that we need an off

700
00:58:40,079 --> 00:58:47,280
leash dog beach at Centennial. In 2016,
the park district conducted a needs

701
00:58:45,359 --> 00:58:52,400
assessment survey in which an off leash
dog park was a top five priority and a

702
00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:56,400
number two unmet need. Interestingly,
the survey never pulled for the

703
00:58:54,079 --> 00:59:00,880
importance of an off leash dog beach,
perhaps because it already existed. So,

704
00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:05,200
I can only offer anecdotal evidence of
the beach's importance by the intendance

705
00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:09,040
attendance of the 100 plus dog owners.
That room was completely packed at a

706
00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:13,520
park district meeting after conceptual
drawings of the 2030 lakefront plan

707
00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:17,839
surfaced without a dog beach. Shortly
thereafter, in 2022, I served on a dog

708
00:59:16,319 --> 00:59:23,040
beach committee which was charged with
finding an alternate location. Um, I I I

709
00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:27,520
feel like the birth of Nimi came out of
all of that. Uh there there was nothing

710
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:32,240
happening in terms of moving a dog
beach. That effort was for not. Um but

711
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:36,799
what remains is a community desire to
preserve a wonderful amenity that has

712
00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:40,319
been part of our village since 1995.
Again, anecdotally supported by the

713
00:59:38,559 --> 00:59:44,559
turnout at last night's village board
meeting and the continued engagement

714
00:59:42,079 --> 00:59:50,079
with the park district here tonight. Uh
math lesson. Waneka is blessed with 200

715
00:59:47,119 --> 00:59:55,440
uh 2440 linear feet of public lakefront.
Elder, maple and tower represent over

716
00:59:52,240 --> 01:00:01,280
1,000 feet, almost 50% of lakefront for
swimmers and beachgoers use. Another 720

717
00:59:58,640 --> 01:00:09,119
ft at Lloyd are Lloyd are available for
boating recreation. Uh and this leaves

718
01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:13,200
about 23% or 550 ft for not the dogs but
dog owners. People who chose to enjoy

719
01:00:11,520 --> 01:00:16,720
the lakefront with their four-legged
family members. There has to be a

720
01:00:14,799 --> 01:00:20,960
solution in which all constituents are
well served. Um, I wish I had been able

721
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:24,799
to express
uh uh last night to the village the

722
01:00:23,119 --> 01:00:30,240
importance of their role in the approval
process. If in fact we do need a fence,

723
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:34,240
we've got to work together. Um, and I
know if we work together, we will find a

724
01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:38,640
simple, inexpensive, and aesthetically
palatable solution. Uh, by the way, for

725
01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:42,319
anyone who objects to fencing, I would
argue that the large granite brake walls

726
01:00:41,040 --> 01:00:46,480
are kind of ugly, but it was a
compromise to address erosion. So, how

727
01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:50,799
can we find compromise? So, here's my
offer. and you guys are part of the

728
01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:55,680
offer. This is an engaged and
compassionate and passionate group. How

729
01:00:53,200 --> 01:01:00,559
can we help? Let's get Centennial back
to being off leash. Um, collect our

730
01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:04,640
emails, collect our phone numbers, if
you need us showing up at zoning board

731
01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:09,280
meetings, if you need us talking to
commissioners, the trustees, I I think

732
01:01:07,599 --> 01:01:14,240
we're willing and able if you uh just
give us a chance. Um, I think we're all

733
01:01:11,359 --> 01:01:19,640
aligned in wanting to get a um an off
leash dog park back at St. Thank you for

734
01:01:24,079 --> 01:01:31,119
» Hi, my name is Jackar
Street. I've been a part of village

735
01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:36,559
government since probably 2007 starting
with the Waka caucus on the on the

736
01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:40,240
subcommittee that looked after district
and then moving on through plan

737
01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:45,359
commission village council and now I'm
the chairman of the historic

738
01:01:42,319 --> 01:01:51,599
preservation commission. My first time
on a beach in Monka was 1963, probably

739
01:01:48,559 --> 01:01:59,920
the summer. Um, I was born here and
Elder Lane and Centennial

740
01:01:54,640 --> 01:02:04,640
after 1967 were my beaches. Um, in 1967
in October, the hospital that was on

741
01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:10,079
Centennial Beach was knocked down. Uh,
the Northshore Health Resort. Uh and I

742
01:02:08,160 --> 01:02:15,599
as a little kid I remember watching them
tear down with wrecking balls the whole

743
01:02:12,799 --> 01:02:19,599
hospital. Uh the village and the park
district at the urgent of the citizens

744
01:02:17,359 --> 01:02:24,000
purchased Centennial Park and turned it
into the park that it is. 1969 was the

745
01:02:22,480 --> 01:02:30,079
dedication.
That beach has been the dog beach since

746
01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:34,720
1968 at least. I went there with my dog.
We lived on Essex. My mom still does. We

747
01:02:32,640 --> 01:02:38,319
went there over and over and over again.
Those who spent their entire summer was

748
01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:42,400
spent at Centennial dodging the
lifeguards at Elder who would get mad if

749
01:02:40,160 --> 01:02:46,720
you went into the water at Centennial.
Completely open. Completely open. Unless

750
01:02:45,200 --> 01:02:51,359
the lifeguard yelled at you and told you
to get out, then you'd go hide up on the

751
01:02:48,400 --> 01:02:56,000
bluff until he stopped looking. The the
reality is when when we first started

752
01:02:54,400 --> 01:03:00,640
going there after they knocked the
hospital down, there was a wooden

753
01:02:57,359 --> 01:03:05,280
staircase on the north side, an old red
painted wooden staircase, and the path

754
01:03:03,119 --> 01:03:09,040
led down to the beach. after the village
uh art district came in, they put in the

755
01:03:07,599 --> 01:03:12,240
pathways that are there now, but there
was also an extra one down to the beach.

756
01:03:10,799 --> 01:03:14,960
That was the way we got down to the
beach. Um,

757
01:03:13,599 --> 01:03:19,520
» can you say that again? Can you just
back up like 3 seconds?

758
01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:25,200
» Sure. Uh, you used to be able to get
access to the beach without a fence or a

759
01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:27,760
fob or anything. It was open entirely.
>> Okay.

760
01:03:25,680 --> 01:03:33,280
» And there was never a problem about
taking a dog there. Um,

761
01:03:31,359 --> 01:03:37,280
we also went down to the beach at Willow
Road, which you can go out into the pier

762
01:03:35,520 --> 01:03:42,559
that was there and it was open all the
way down. You could go down at Cherry

763
01:03:40,079 --> 01:03:46,160
Street. Right now, you can't go at
Cherry Street, but when I tried to with

764
01:03:44,559 --> 01:03:49,680
my dog a couple years ago, a park
district kid said, "Well, you can't go

765
01:03:48,559 --> 01:03:53,760
down there with your dog." I'm like,
"But this is the Village of Peach." That

766
01:03:51,520 --> 01:03:58,240
got into some complexity, which I can't
remember. But the last time I tried,

767
01:03:56,000 --> 01:04:03,359
there was a guard paid for, I think, by
the new Clement Stone guy to keep people

768
01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:07,039
from going down, allegedly, to keep them
from swimming and to keep dogs off the

769
01:04:05,440 --> 01:04:11,359
beach. Although, he let every single
person who went by me while I was

770
01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:16,720
standing there fuming on a 95 degree day
who wanted to swim down with with

771
01:04:13,119 --> 01:04:21,200
swimmers. So, what that leads up to is a
lack of access. The key fob system,

772
01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:27,920
quite honestly, I think is a terrible
idea. And here's why. because you don't

773
01:04:25,119 --> 01:04:33,039
need the money. You just don't. How much
do you make from key fobs for the budget

774
01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:37,440
of this
of of the park district? It's it's

775
01:04:35,119 --> 01:04:42,240
really I think I did sort of an off the
cuff calculation maybe $50,000

776
01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:48,640
and now you've got the rest of that and
now you've got rangers creating the

777
01:04:45,359 --> 01:04:53,280
worst possible thing for a public eye
which is bad public relations. You hear

778
01:04:50,720 --> 01:04:56,880
it here. People are furious that they
have to have some guy come up and

779
01:04:55,119 --> 01:05:02,240
threaten to take the key fob. So, the
key fob has become a point of

780
01:04:59,280 --> 01:05:06,960
contention. It's become coord. And I
think you really have to do what you can

781
01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:12,880
to get rid of the the key fob system.
And I'm just going to say very quickly,

782
01:05:10,559 --> 01:05:16,559
you don't usually the groin blocks the
dogs from going up on the peach. Last

783
01:05:15,200 --> 01:05:19,760
thing you should do, get rid of the key
fob so people can go in and out and they

784
01:05:18,480 --> 01:05:24,640
just do what they do in the city of
Chicago, Wilmet, and every place else.

785
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:29,119
And also put up, if you have to put up a
fence along the side, which I understand

786
01:05:26,799 --> 01:05:33,359
as a lawyer, I get the idea of wanting
to avoid that problem, which is

787
01:05:30,880 --> 01:05:35,839
non-existent, but still put a gate in a
little one of those little sand fences.

788
01:05:35,200 --> 01:05:39,440
» Okay,
>> then no problems.

789
01:05:37,280 --> 01:05:43,599
» Thank you.
Anyone

790
01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:48,240
else in this front row who wishes to
make public comment? Okay. Over there.

791
01:05:47,680 --> 01:05:51,760
» Yes.
>> Feels bad being last.

792
01:05:50,720 --> 01:05:56,640
» Maybe you're not.
>> Um my name is Sam Wiser. I've lived in

793
01:05:53,920 --> 01:06:00,960
the village for more than 35 years and
um I appreciate your time and your

794
01:05:58,799 --> 01:06:06,160
volunteering and I don't want to in any
way impunity the effort that's being

795
01:06:02,720 --> 01:06:10,319
made find an equitable solution to this.
Um, and I'm not as educated as some of

796
01:06:08,319 --> 01:06:14,559
my fellow citizens who've spoken before
me, but I have real difficulty in

797
01:06:12,799 --> 01:06:18,640
understanding the magnitude of the
problem that you're trying to solve. And

798
01:06:16,720 --> 01:06:23,760
so, I've gone through and looked for
answers to questions that I have that I

799
01:06:21,039 --> 01:06:27,920
can't find. And so, one, I want to know
how many days Elder Beach has actually

800
01:06:25,440 --> 01:06:32,400
been open in the last 3 years because
quite frankly, there's only a problem at

801
01:06:29,599 --> 01:06:36,720
Elder Beach. Elder Beach is open. Um,
secondly, I want to know how many

802
01:06:34,160 --> 01:06:41,359
incidents of dogs going over to Elder
Beach from Centennial have occurred

803
01:06:39,039 --> 01:06:44,720
ever. I haven't been able to find any
quantification that there's a

804
01:06:42,720 --> 01:06:48,319
significant problem that actually
exists.

805
01:06:46,240 --> 01:06:52,559
Third, I want to know what prevents a
more natural barrier from being created

806
01:06:50,559 --> 01:06:56,960
higher than the one that exists that
wouldn't necessarily change the

807
01:06:54,720 --> 01:07:01,760
aesthetic of what's there now, but would
at least provide the necessary barrier

808
01:06:59,520 --> 01:07:06,160
between Elder and Centennial. Because
the only purpose a gate serves is to

809
01:07:03,920 --> 01:07:09,599
allow access to and from. But as long as
you have access above and you get off

810
01:07:08,079 --> 01:07:13,359
Elder and go over and walk over to
Centennial, I don't think anybody's

811
01:07:11,359 --> 01:07:18,799
going to have a problem or try to climb
over the rocks. Excuse me, my phone went

812
01:07:15,440 --> 01:07:23,520
off. Um
uh

813
01:07:21,359 --> 01:07:29,119
and then I want to know exactly how many
complaints the park district or the

814
01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:34,559
police department or anyone else who's
associated with the village has received

815
01:07:31,280 --> 01:07:38,079
in 31 years about dog beach because
quite frankly you know there used to be

816
01:07:36,480 --> 01:07:41,680
the WKA talk and they used to have the
police incident reports and I can't

817
01:07:39,599 --> 01:07:46,799
remember ever reading one about a dog
problem on the beach but since the Wneka

818
01:07:44,640 --> 01:07:50,880
talk is gone I haven't been able to find
any information that would quantify

819
01:07:48,480 --> 01:07:55,119
that. I think that's an important fact,
right? People who are angry like myself

820
01:07:53,200 --> 01:08:01,920
who want to get our dogs down on the
beach and who don't see a problem want

821
01:07:57,359 --> 01:08:06,559
to understand what the problem is. Um,
my assessment, and I apologize if I

822
01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:11,599
offend anyone, is I'm seeing a
dysfunctional attempt to solve a problem

823
01:08:08,880 --> 01:08:15,839
that really doesn't exist. Rather, it's
a manufactured attempt to create issues

824
01:08:13,440 --> 01:08:19,839
that have consumed public taxpayer
funded time and resources, not for the

825
01:08:18,080 --> 01:08:25,679
public good, but to address the
interests of a vocal minority. That is

826
01:08:22,159 --> 01:08:29,440
exactly what we're set up not to do.
Right? We're set up to use our

827
01:08:27,279 --> 01:08:33,040
resources. I've been associated with the
park district my entire time here. My

828
01:08:31,520 --> 01:08:36,640
kids all metriculated through park
district programs. the work that we've

829
01:08:35,040 --> 01:08:40,319
done on the fields, the work that we've
done with the hockey rinks, the work

830
01:08:38,239 --> 01:08:45,759
that we've done with the um other
fields, everything that's been done is

831
01:08:43,199 --> 01:08:50,480
laudable. It's great. It's been a big
benefit to the community. But this is a

832
01:08:48,480 --> 01:08:55,120
problem that doesn't need to be a
problem. There wasn't a problem before.

833
01:08:52,960 --> 01:09:00,880
There won't be a problem after. And if
we have to take some minimal steps to

834
01:08:58,319 --> 01:09:04,799
create a way to maintain Centennial
Beach the way it's been for as long as I

835
01:09:03,120 --> 01:09:05,920
can remember, then I would be in favor
of that.

836
01:09:05,520 --> 01:09:09,920
» Thank you.
>> Thank you.

837
01:09:08,080 --> 01:09:15,000
» Great. Do we have anyone else? Can we
make him not the last guy or are we all

838
01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:15,000
good?

839
01:09:15,199 --> 01:09:20,199
» I apologize. I can't wait. I can do it
from here.

840
01:09:21,520 --> 01:09:25,560
» Camera. And thank you.

841
01:09:30,239 --> 01:09:38,239
» Thanks for taking the time. I'm Michael
Homeberg. I live at 435 Lyndon. We moved

842
01:09:34,880 --> 01:09:44,000
from 322 a little while ago. I forget it
sometimes. I uh I grew up on the beach.

843
01:09:41,440 --> 01:09:49,520
I was played on the beach. I rode my
Stingray over the hills when they

844
01:09:46,000 --> 01:09:53,920
knocked the sanitarium down. I uh except
I swam both beaches. I cleaned the

845
01:09:52,080 --> 01:09:57,760
beaches. I was part of the junior job. I
worked for the park district about four

846
01:09:55,440 --> 01:10:04,719
summers in a row. It was fantastic. I
found a pay receipt the other day. I was

847
01:10:00,480 --> 01:10:11,920
making a$120 an hour. That was a good
job. It was a great job. I loved it. And

848
01:10:07,360 --> 01:10:16,719
then I was like our chasing Jack.
Our parents were good friends. There's a

849
01:10:14,400 --> 01:10:21,600
uh uh and I take my dog Murray to the
beach all the time and and we've been

850
01:10:18,960 --> 01:10:25,679
gone for a year as we redo this house
thing. Uh I love the beach and it's

851
01:10:23,360 --> 01:10:29,760
where I meet new people when I think
there's a community aspect to it. It's

852
01:10:28,239 --> 01:10:34,480
beautiful when your dog's here. I tend
to go at evening and it's a great place

853
01:10:31,679 --> 01:10:39,520
to relax and my dog it's very good for
him to relax or he drives my wife crazy.

854
01:10:37,120 --> 01:10:44,640
Uh so I take him down there. I swim
myself and then I meet people and I

855
01:10:42,960 --> 01:10:48,480
think it's one of the things I've been
here forever

856
01:10:46,320 --> 01:10:52,000
but not everybody has and it's nice to
meet people and it's a great place to

857
01:10:50,080 --> 01:10:56,800
meet people. Uh I made a bunch of
friends down there. There's a huge dog

858
01:10:54,080 --> 01:11:01,120
community which is wonderful. So
>> and I as somebody said earlier, he said,

859
01:10:59,040 --> 01:11:04,400
she said, whatever it is, I don't know
how we got into where we are now. The

860
01:11:03,040 --> 01:11:10,320
beach has been a wonderful beach
forever. I hope it continues the way it

861
01:11:06,960 --> 01:11:16,480
is. I think the job of being on the park
board is really hard. I think it's one

862
01:11:13,520 --> 01:11:21,120
of the best things I've done. And I keep
thinking like Brad Brad, you know, Brad

863
01:11:18,640 --> 01:11:24,159
Mlan did a great job here. Uh Warren
James, I think they did a great job

864
01:11:22,640 --> 01:11:29,280
here. These guys are and I grew up with
these guys. Great guy. I think should I

865
01:11:26,080 --> 01:11:32,800
do it? No. [laughter]
I think it's really hard, but I

866
01:11:31,360 --> 01:11:39,280
appreciate the fact that you're doing
it. Uh it's as as Rob said when he went

867
01:11:36,960 --> 01:11:43,280
on the privilege council he said you
know you go on that because you have too

868
01:11:40,800 --> 01:11:47,920
many friends
there did not want your friends out of

869
01:11:45,120 --> 01:11:52,320
the way. So thank you and I hope we can
get to a way that it the dog beach

870
01:11:49,920 --> 01:11:55,960
remains a wonderful thing in the past.
Thank you. Thank you.

871
01:12:00,800 --> 01:12:14,960
» I'm John Edson and I am the owner at 301
Chicagoan which is the north end of

872
01:12:09,679 --> 01:12:20,640
Elward Park. Um, I I don't u uh I'm
happy with whatever happens with the dog

873
01:12:17,360 --> 01:12:28,960
beach, but for people who say there have
been no instances, you're just dead

874
01:12:23,920 --> 01:12:34,640
wrong. Just last summer, we had two dogs
being chased by their owners down the

875
01:12:31,920 --> 01:12:40,640
beach that got to our property and came
up the staircase to our backyard where

876
01:12:37,840 --> 01:12:46,159
we were sitting. Uh, they were friendly
dogs. They came over to me and I petted

877
01:12:43,120 --> 01:12:50,719
them until the owners got there. But,
you know, if you think that nothing ever

878
01:12:48,159 --> 01:12:58,159
happens with dogs going down the beach,
you're wrong. The thing I would like to

879
01:12:54,080 --> 01:13:03,965
see happen is dog owners who use the
beach keep their dogs on the leash until

880
01:13:01,520 --> 01:13:09,440
they get to the door of of
[clears throat] the dog beach. Uh, two

881
01:13:06,480 --> 01:13:15,360
nights ago, our dog was attacked by
another dog who was off leash. It isn't

882
01:13:12,880 --> 01:13:21,600
worth it to call the lease or anybody
else. It it or call the police, you

883
01:13:18,320 --> 01:13:28,560
know, it it just But I have to tell you,
I walk in Centennial every night. Every

884
01:13:25,600 --> 01:13:34,080
night. And I'll do two or three loops
with my dog on a leash. And there is

885
01:13:32,159 --> 01:13:40,000
barely a day that [clears throat] we
don't encounter a dog off leash in that

886
01:13:37,199 --> 01:13:45,679
park. So for all of those of you who
want to use it, I hope you get to use

887
01:13:42,159 --> 01:13:51,360
it. I hope it stays where it is, but
could you just keep your dogs on the

888
01:13:48,880 --> 01:13:55,560
leash till you get to dog beach? Thank
you.

889
01:13:52,400 --> 01:13:55,560
» Thank you.

890
01:13:56,480 --> 01:14:03,360
» All right. Are we finished with public
comment? We do want to hear from

891
01:14:00,000 --> 01:14:08,156
everyone that wants to speak.
All right, I think that wraps it up for

892
01:14:05,360 --> 01:14:12,480
tonight in terms of public comments.
[clears throat] Um,

893
01:14:10,960 --> 01:14:16,000
I'd like to ask commissioners to keep
comments for three minutes per item

894
01:14:14,080 --> 01:14:19,760
unless otherwise noted with one
opportunity to speak on each item. If

895
01:14:18,480 --> 01:14:23,760
there are matters that require
additional followup from staff and

896
01:14:22,000 --> 01:14:29,280
cannot be addressed immediately, those
items may be tabled by a majority vote

897
01:14:26,880 --> 01:14:33,600
to a future meeting. It's important that
we respect the time of our community

898
01:14:31,120 --> 01:14:37,520
staff and fellow commissioners while
ensuring our discussions stay focused on

899
01:14:35,760 --> 01:14:43,120
board level decisions that best serve
our community.

900
01:14:40,080 --> 01:14:52,560
Um, at this time, I'd like to turn to
section 5.2 two of the um excuse me to

901
01:14:47,280 --> 01:14:58,592
uh 3.1 excuse me of the agenda and um I
would like to um Shannon did you want to

902
01:14:55,440 --> 01:15:00,612
present a memo?
[laughter]

903
01:15:00,960 --> 01:15:09,440
So there's not much change to this memo
other than uh the fact that the village

904
01:15:06,000 --> 01:15:15,840
had their their meeting last night. And
so the difference in the documents that

905
01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:22,320
you have attached uh the updated draft
first amendment to the Tower Road lease.

906
01:15:19,440 --> 01:15:27,199
This was the last thing that we um
provided to the village. It's really

907
01:15:24,480 --> 01:15:34,080
loud. Yeah. Um the last uh amendment
that we provided to the the village

908
01:15:29,520 --> 01:15:37,760
which was on Friday um June 25th.
>> Okay.

909
01:15:34,560 --> 01:15:43,440
» That that we provided to the village.
>> All right. Um

910
01:15:39,520 --> 01:15:50,480
» so hold on. So we have not received a
reply from the village uh legal council.

911
01:15:48,159 --> 01:15:54,719
» I believe that the reply was the meeting
last night.

912
01:15:52,320 --> 01:16:05,040
» Okay. Got it.
All right.

913
01:15:56,880 --> 01:16:11,920
So the sort of point of the point of um
as as I see it sort of the offer was the

914
01:16:09,520 --> 01:16:18,159
offer that the village sort of made last
night

915
01:16:13,840 --> 01:16:23,040
is one I'd like to discuss which is um
to continue with the pilot program

916
01:16:21,122 --> 01:16:26,960
[clears throat] at Tower but keep
Centennial open them

917
01:16:25,760 --> 01:16:30,960
uh for dogs
>> as

918
01:16:27,600 --> 01:16:36,320
» as is. We can get to the on leash off
leash at another time and I do agree

919
01:16:33,520 --> 01:16:40,480
that through uh
working together there are options.

920
01:16:38,480 --> 01:16:44,719
We've heard some great things from the
community in terms of ideas. There was

921
01:16:42,719 --> 01:16:50,000
one idea that someone shared with me two
days ago that I hadn't thought of and I

922
01:16:47,679 --> 01:16:54,560
thought it was a really good idea. So
that's that is a conversation to be had.

923
01:16:52,960 --> 01:17:00,800
and we hear, you know, that this is
something that the community feels very

924
01:16:56,719 --> 01:17:04,640
strongly about and so forth. Um, but
tonight we have to look at what's in

925
01:17:02,960 --> 01:17:11,679
front of us. And what's in front of us
is the pilot program that was um, uh,

926
01:17:09,280 --> 01:17:16,480
proposed by the village. And again, I'll
reiterate what I said. I think it's a

927
01:17:13,520 --> 01:17:21,280
great program. Um, if you know, because
presently it's the only way to be off

928
01:17:18,239 --> 01:17:28,560
leash. It's great for the people that
can work with the time frame. Um, and so

929
01:17:24,400 --> 01:17:33,040
I don't want to not pursue it. However,
I like the offer that was sort of made

930
01:17:30,719 --> 01:17:38,960
last night by the village, which is that
we can keep Centennial open while they

931
01:17:36,000 --> 01:17:46,120
run the pilot program. And so I would
like to open a discussion with

932
01:17:41,280 --> 01:17:46,120
commissioners on that idea.

933
01:17:47,760 --> 01:18:00,239
Y um I'm a big fan of more is better
than less. More options are better than

934
01:17:56,159 --> 01:18:07,679
fewer. And I think both options are
good. Um I would like to see if there

935
01:18:03,600 --> 01:18:15,120
are people that we can capture at tower
while I think that the

936
01:18:10,960 --> 01:18:20,560
proposed fencing or stansions are
insufficient.

937
01:18:17,600 --> 01:18:28,640
I would ask the village to consider
extending their confidence to a fence

938
01:18:25,760 --> 01:18:32,560
permit also at Centennial and I would be
happy with options at both places

939
01:18:30,400 --> 01:18:37,440
because I think it expands our
programming geographically which I think

940
01:18:35,120 --> 01:18:44,080
is important.
>> Thank you.

941
01:18:40,159 --> 01:18:50,080
» Commissioner R. Um this evening under uh
the next item on the agenda I'm going to

942
01:18:46,880 --> 01:18:56,960
introduce a proposal
which would encourage the ability uh to

943
01:18:54,000 --> 01:19:01,040
speak to Mr. Kadari the experience for
all residents to be able to use

944
01:18:59,520 --> 01:19:08,080
Centennial
and uh with our home room focus of our

945
01:19:04,320 --> 01:19:15,600
village to permit Centennial to become a
dog friendly area offage for dogs so

946
01:19:11,440 --> 01:19:19,120
that anyone can come. Um I I guess I
didn't hear what you heard that the

947
01:19:16,960 --> 01:19:22,800
village was still considering this.
>> Well, I'm not saying that they did say.

948
01:19:21,440 --> 01:19:26,320
» Okay. [clears throat] All right. It was
just something that was discussed in the

949
01:19:24,719 --> 01:19:29,040
introduction and it was very appealing
to me.

950
01:19:27,040 --> 01:19:33,360
» And and as I said during our last
meeting, um the dog beach advisory

951
01:19:31,440 --> 01:19:38,560
committee came up with a plan for
towers. It's very similar to this one

952
01:19:36,159 --> 01:19:45,120
with the exception that there was a
suggestion for fences. In looking at

953
01:19:42,000 --> 01:19:49,840
this amendment to theou,
I see that since our last meeting, what

954
01:19:47,679 --> 01:19:54,400
has been added is the following
language. village agrees to revoke a

955
01:19:52,239 --> 01:19:59,199
person's privileges to use tower beach
dog area whenever that person's dog is

956
01:19:57,199 --> 01:20:03,360
found off leash outside the boundaries
of tower three times. I believe that is

957
01:20:01,920 --> 01:20:06,880
new and was was
>> that was from the last meeting that was

958
01:20:05,120 --> 01:20:12,640
directed by the board.
>> The last meeting of you with

959
01:20:09,360 --> 01:20:15,440
» No, no, no. June 20 25th meeting.
>> Our last meeting our last meeting

960
01:20:13,920 --> 01:20:22,000
» that was directed by the boarding that
and so I apologize for missing that. I'm

961
01:20:18,400 --> 01:20:28,480
a big fan of of more is better. I agree
with you, Commissioner Cotto. And I

962
01:20:24,560 --> 01:20:32,640
think uh trying trying an off leash dog
beach at tower is a great thing.

963
01:20:30,480 --> 01:20:37,360
However, it's very restrictive hours
from 6:00 to 8:30 and we've heard

964
01:20:35,040 --> 01:20:41,760
repeatedly this evening that there are
many people that can't go to the

965
01:20:39,440 --> 01:20:46,640
» clearly not a solution for everyone. So,
you know, if there's a way also to

966
01:20:43,520 --> 01:20:50,800
consider how this might work after the
swimming beach is closed as I believe

967
01:20:48,719 --> 01:20:54,960
that's 8:00, isn't it? When our
lifeguards

968
01:20:52,880 --> 01:21:00,960
and it's still light most of the summer
after 8:00. So, perhaps there's an

969
01:20:57,920 --> 01:21:04,800
opportunity to to extend this this pilot
into the evening. Um, again,

970
01:21:03,430 --> 01:21:10,159
[clears throat] I'm all for it. Let's
see what we can do. and I've been a a a

971
01:21:08,000 --> 01:21:15,280
real advocate for working
collaboratively with our village rather

972
01:21:12,719 --> 01:21:20,560
than putting obstacles in place on why
we can't. So, thank you very much.

973
01:21:17,840 --> 01:21:24,960
» Thank you.
>> All right.

974
01:21:22,560 --> 01:21:31,760
Um,
it begs the question to me,

975
01:21:28,960 --> 01:21:35,560
why didn't the village just say put
stansions up at Centennial?

976
01:21:36,239 --> 01:21:46,400
Unless they consider those
barriers from a home rule standpoint.

977
01:21:43,840 --> 01:21:49,520
Um, I I
there's not a lot of you folks that have

978
01:21:47,971 --> 01:21:53,866
[clears throat] been involved in this in
the last 6 months. I had a meeting at

979
01:21:52,159 --> 01:21:57,040
peace on February 20th and I said,
[clears throat] "Hey, just so you know,

980
01:21:55,040 --> 01:22:02,239
we've been told
>> that the Dog Beach Group wants to move

981
01:21:59,760 --> 01:22:07,679
to tower." Commissioner Rude has also
stated that in open meeting. Uh I

982
01:22:05,360 --> 01:22:12,480
believe uh Trustee at the top has also
stated that

983
01:22:09,520 --> 01:22:17,679
during the permitting process, it's no
one wants this. No one wants no one

984
01:22:15,520 --> 01:22:22,000
wants these fences. No one wants dogs on
Centennial. We haven't heard from any of

985
01:22:19,280 --> 01:22:23,440
you. The question is, where's everybody
been?

986
01:22:22,800 --> 01:22:26,800
» We didn't know.
>> Well, you're here tonight. You weren't

987
01:22:25,280 --> 01:22:33,679
allowed to speak last night, but you
were allowed to speak tonight. Um,

988
01:22:30,960 --> 01:22:41,280
» it also begs the question, why 6:00 to
8:30?

989
01:22:36,560 --> 01:22:46,159
If it's safe, make it all day long.
So the village is recognizing that

990
01:22:44,000 --> 01:22:53,679
number one stansions [clears throat]
may not work on park district property

991
01:22:49,120 --> 01:22:58,159
and number two safety is an issue.
That's why it's 6 to 8:30.

992
01:22:56,159 --> 01:23:06,320
It's a very active beach. It goes back
to the point Centennial is the best

993
01:23:02,159 --> 01:23:09,840
place for a dog beach. It is. I know we
have the dog advisory committee. I just

994
01:23:08,080 --> 01:23:13,840
want to say I am supportive of the
village trying to do what they're doing.

995
01:23:11,600 --> 01:23:19,760
Give it a shot. It's your property.
We'll adjust our lease. Give it a shot.

996
01:23:16,320 --> 01:23:27,360
I hope it works out well.
But we learned in um August 2021 when we

997
01:23:25,840 --> 01:23:31,840
we were going to take the Dog Beach
office and tell people that we're very

998
01:23:29,360 --> 01:23:36,239
active, energized dog beach community.
We said, "Oh shit."

999
01:23:34,239 --> 01:23:40,480
So, we formed the dog beach advisory
committee and then ultimately we decided

1000
01:23:38,320 --> 01:23:44,000
that Centennial was the best location.
Now, [clears throat] I got to tell you,

1001
01:23:42,239 --> 01:23:48,320
it's not because of the neighbor to the
south. I think that's a terrible,

1002
01:23:46,320 --> 01:23:52,239
terrible misrepresentation.
It's disgusting.

1003
01:23:50,239 --> 01:23:59,280
We did it because it's the best damn
place to put a dog beach. I too want to

1004
01:23:56,080 --> 01:24:05,360
find a solution. What is acceptable for
a barrier? What is it? The permitting

1005
01:24:02,800 --> 01:24:11,520
process that we go through the village
does not lend itself to discussion.

1006
01:24:09,600 --> 01:24:18,480
Commissioner Cotto when she first became
president in August of 2023 said, "Hey,

1007
01:24:15,040 --> 01:24:24,480
let's just sit down. Two boards,
open session, working a working group.

1008
01:24:21,840 --> 01:24:27,520
Let's just figure this thing out."
Zero response. I'm not trying to point

1009
01:24:26,880 --> 01:24:32,800
fingers.
>> Yeah, you are. You are. I still would

1010
01:24:30,080 --> 01:24:38,800
love, that's why we brought up the IG,
Irene. That's why we brought up the IG.

1011
01:24:35,280 --> 01:24:43,679
I would love to sit down with
representatives from the village in a

1012
01:24:40,639 --> 01:24:47,679
good faith effort to find a solution. It
ain't going to be chain link fence. It's

1013
01:24:45,920 --> 01:24:53,440
just not going to be. What's it going to
be? What can we put up to satisfy

1014
01:24:51,600 --> 01:25:00,960
barrier
so that well dogs can run off leash? And

1015
01:24:57,920 --> 01:25:08,080
last, I'll say again, this agreement was
delivered to us by the village. We did

1016
01:25:04,719 --> 01:25:14,800
not we did not construct this this
agreement to close the dog beach at

1017
01:25:11,280 --> 01:25:22,639
Centennial. It was delivered to us.
They wanted to close Centennial for this

1018
01:25:19,360 --> 01:25:29,199
trial period, not permanently, for dogs.
So, I want to work with the village and

1019
01:25:25,760 --> 01:25:33,760
find a solution. I'm in support of their
pilot program. Give it a shot. It's your

1020
01:25:31,760 --> 01:25:38,560
property. Let's figure it out. Let's
move forward.

1021
01:25:35,920 --> 01:25:43,199
But we're not going to close
the dog beach on leash at this point.

1022
01:25:40,499 --> 01:25:47,440
[clears throat] Dog beach at Centennial.
And I'll say last comment. Obviously,

1023
01:25:44,560 --> 01:25:50,880
the park ranger thing is not I'm over
three minutes

1024
01:25:48,639 --> 01:25:56,320
» right now. I don't care.
I'll just say the park ranger thing is

1025
01:25:52,239 --> 01:25:59,840
is seems like it's bumpy. So, um, we
have to address that. Um, and I'm sure

1026
01:25:58,400 --> 01:26:04,400
Shannon will. Thank you,
>> Madam Chair. Seeing that my name was

1027
01:26:02,320 --> 01:26:11,040
raised in Commissioner Seaman's
comments, and because it was inaccurate,

1028
01:26:07,360 --> 01:26:17,760
may I correct the statement? Yes. Thank
you. Um, as far as moving dogs to tower,

1029
01:26:14,639 --> 01:26:23,600
what I have said is that when we were
told with the new elder centennial beach

1030
01:26:20,880 --> 01:26:28,080
plan that the dogs would have to move,
that they would have to leave

1031
01:26:24,639 --> 01:26:33,280
Centennial, Miss Tomlinson and others
and I participated with commissioner,

1032
01:26:30,639 --> 01:26:37,760
former commissioner in a dog beach
advisory committee based on the

1033
01:26:35,600 --> 01:26:45,760
representation that dogs could no longer
stand centennial. Our best solution was

1034
01:26:42,239 --> 01:26:51,840
to relocate to the village segment of
beach nearest the pier at at Tower

1035
01:26:49,360 --> 01:26:56,719
Beach. And it was on that premise that I
said that we supported and I handed out

1036
01:26:54,080 --> 01:27:01,840
the plan during our last board meeting
last Thursday, the the actual rendering

1037
01:26:59,520 --> 01:27:05,520
of what that plan was. So, thank you for
letting me correct myself.

1038
01:27:03,280 --> 01:27:11,600
» Can I Can I respond to that?
>> Sorry. Um, that's not what I was

1039
01:27:07,840 --> 01:27:18,239
referring to. I apologize. Yes, the dog
beach committee

1040
01:27:13,679 --> 01:27:21,920
did propose to move the dog beach tower.
It's in approximately the same location

1041
01:27:19,679 --> 01:27:27,360
that the village has designed it.
Obviously much more substantial as you

1042
01:27:23,920 --> 01:27:31,840
said and touch. Um,
however,

1043
01:27:28,960 --> 01:27:38,080
I believe in October
of 24, we passed a resolution that said

1044
01:27:35,280 --> 01:27:42,400
we're having a dog beach in Centennial
cuz we we viewed as a board that that

1045
01:27:40,080 --> 01:27:48,800
was a superior location for a dog beach.
And I still do believe it is. So that's

1046
01:27:45,120 --> 01:27:55,120
what I refer to to as well as
again I we had been told

1047
01:27:52,320 --> 01:28:02,520
by members of the village
that the dog beach group wanted to move

1048
01:27:59,360 --> 01:28:02,520
the tower.

1049
01:28:05,280 --> 01:28:10,159
» It's been in public comment
but I want to work with the village

1050
01:28:09,280 --> 01:28:16,880
staff to get this done.
>> Right. We need to All right. Um actually

1051
01:28:12,560 --> 01:28:21,440
can I just add for commissioner rap to
>> um first thank you for everyone for

1052
01:28:18,960 --> 01:28:26,800
coming out. Um it's great to see a whole
room of people engaged on this topic.

1053
01:28:23,920 --> 01:28:31,199
It's always a benefit to hear directly.
Um I

1054
01:28:29,491 --> 01:28:36,639
[clears throat]
I'm glad that the village put out a

1055
01:28:33,520 --> 01:28:40,800
proposal because it has you know engaged
the community more. I think the proposal

1056
01:28:39,120 --> 01:28:45,520
was certainly made in good faith. I
think a lot of the restrictions in terms

1057
01:28:42,320 --> 01:28:50,159
of the time were in response to requests
from park district staff in terms of

1058
01:28:47,280 --> 01:28:55,360
camps being run at tower. I agree that 6
to 8:30 seems untenable

1059
01:28:53,040 --> 01:28:59,520
to get out there for many members of the
community. But I do believe the proposal

1060
01:28:57,040 --> 01:29:04,239
was made in good faith to try to float
the idea of you know can we have times

1061
01:29:01,360 --> 01:29:09,600
and ways to share spaces between um
people and dogs and give give more

1062
01:29:07,040 --> 01:29:13,840
access. So I think that that that was
certainly a positive that

1063
01:29:11,840 --> 01:29:20,880
» trying to work particularly since our
proposal was not favorably um received.

1064
01:29:18,000 --> 01:29:27,120
I would say that
um I think that perhaps revisiting tower

1065
01:29:24,320 --> 01:29:31,520
maybe after summer camp ends or maybe
when the playgrounds are under

1066
01:29:28,400 --> 01:29:36,880
renovation or you know some other
options could be more feasible where we

1067
01:29:34,320 --> 01:29:40,639
don't have the uh constraint of
designing on the fly during the prime

1068
01:29:38,800 --> 01:29:45,760
season as one of our commenters
mentioned that you know I think we

1069
01:29:42,960 --> 01:29:52,000
should remain open and flexible um to
that. I do think that as we consider

1070
01:29:49,840 --> 01:29:58,320
Centennial, I had viewed the villages
proposal not so much as saying

1071
01:29:55,360 --> 01:30:06,080
uh unleash dogs out but more as an
invitation to the larger community to

1072
01:30:00,560 --> 01:30:10,719
come into Centennial as well. Um, so I
not you know I didn't I think it's fine

1073
01:30:08,800 --> 01:30:14,719
to leave dogs on leash and centennial
and invite larger parts of the community

1074
01:30:12,880 --> 01:30:20,080
and I think as a park district we have
also invited other members of the

1075
01:30:16,239 --> 01:30:24,400
community in this year with the non-dog
key fob which is available to purchase

1076
01:30:22,960 --> 01:30:29,600
which I think is a positive thing
because it's a beautiful beach and there

1077
01:30:27,199 --> 01:30:33,120
are many wonderful dog owners there.
There are also many wonderful people in

1078
01:30:31,440 --> 01:30:37,360
the village without dogs. So I think
that's a positive. But I had suggested

1079
01:30:35,199 --> 01:30:43,679
in prior meetings as we were hitting
resistance to our fencing proposal which

1080
01:30:40,960 --> 01:30:47,199
was a more permanent you know fencing
that's up all the time is you know the

1081
01:30:45,600 --> 01:30:51,840
possibility of is there something we can
do that's truly temporary. You know the

1082
01:30:50,159 --> 01:30:56,400
the type of fencing that comes out at
the Winna music festival for the

1083
01:30:53,600 --> 01:30:59,679
weekend. You know retractable fencing
snow fencing that gets rolled up at

1084
01:30:58,000 --> 01:31:02,960
night. And I would just encourage us to
be flexible as we consider those things.

1085
01:31:02,560 --> 01:31:07,360
Absolutely.
>> I mean, we have a proposal for a budget

1086
01:31:04,880 --> 01:31:13,600
adjustment. Could that enable us to have
staff that could find a way to share

1087
01:31:09,440 --> 01:31:18,719
this space in a way that could enable um
dog beach passholders to be able to have

1088
01:31:15,840 --> 01:31:23,040
their dogs off leash without being
criminalized or hassled by well-meaning

1089
01:31:21,120 --> 01:31:27,520
park rangers because I think that's
really important. I mean, we're like

1090
01:31:25,440 --> 01:31:31,520
we're deliluding ourselves to think that
people leave their dogs on leash when

1091
01:31:29,280 --> 01:31:34,800
they go to Centennial. I mean, it just
it defies the whole value proposition

1092
01:31:33,440 --> 01:31:39,440
about the point of going is so that your
dog can run and chase a tennis ball in

1093
01:31:37,040 --> 01:31:42,639
the lake and that cannot happen safely
on a leash. Like, it's just an

1094
01:31:40,800 --> 01:31:47,760
incompatible thing. And I think we
really need to find a way to be able to

1095
01:31:45,280 --> 01:31:53,520
make that happen in a way that is
comfortable and safe for both our our

1096
01:31:51,280 --> 01:31:58,280
you know dog beach users in the off
leash sense and also our public at large

1097
01:31:58,639 --> 01:32:02,719
» because you're creative.
[laughter]

1098
01:32:02,000 --> 01:32:05,520
You
>> pressure no pressure.

1099
01:32:04,480 --> 01:32:08,719
» You I've said this to other
commissioners. You throw a lot of stuff

1100
01:32:06,639 --> 01:32:13,760
out right in meetings about what can we
do? What can we do? Can we do this?

1101
01:32:10,960 --> 01:32:18,639
What's the method that you would
suggest? Because we can't obviously

1102
01:32:16,000 --> 01:32:22,000
unilaterally show up with 15 different
ideas through the normal permitting

1103
01:32:20,719 --> 01:32:30,960
process. That doesn't that's
impractical. So h what's the method that

1104
01:32:26,159 --> 01:32:35,760
we can sit down with members of the
village and have this exchange? How do

1105
01:32:33,920 --> 01:32:39,840
we do that?
>> I I will tell you how I felt as a

1106
01:32:37,520 --> 01:32:44,960
commissioner. I felt curtailed. I felt
afraid to engage people in the other

1107
01:32:42,719 --> 01:32:50,080
elector in the other elected bodies
through our liaison process. People have

1108
01:32:47,600 --> 01:32:58,159
been disciplined for going and talking
to people at a border. So I think that

1109
01:32:53,600 --> 01:33:01,920
structurally having a relaxation on the
ability of individual commissioners to

1110
01:33:00,239 --> 01:33:06,320
engage with their counterparts on an
informal basis is very important to

1111
01:33:03,920 --> 01:33:10,080
accomplish that. Having commissioners
disciplined for speaking How does a

1112
01:33:09,679 --> 01:33:14,080
problem?
>> How does that feedback come back to the

1113
01:33:11,679 --> 01:33:18,960
board? How does that because informal
conversations we we we have listen we

1114
01:33:16,639 --> 01:33:24,159
got seven different board members with
seven different perspectives which is

1115
01:33:21,679 --> 01:33:29,360
great but ultimately we have to arrive
on a unified solution. That's why we

1116
01:33:26,800 --> 01:33:31,600
come together and we vote. So we can
have all sorts of informal

1117
01:33:30,400 --> 01:33:36,400
conversations. I haven't spoke to a
village trustee in

1118
01:33:33,760 --> 01:33:39,520
I mean since my previous term so because
I'm respecting leaison and

1119
01:33:38,480 --> 01:33:44,320
» yeah no I know I know
>> and they probably don't want to talk to

1120
01:33:40,480 --> 01:33:47,920
me so so so how do we how do we do that
how do we make sure that we have a

1121
01:33:45,760 --> 01:33:53,040
unified
>> um process I think it's an IGA I think

1122
01:33:50,800 --> 01:33:55,120
it's or I think it's this meeting that
that Christina

1123
01:33:54,159 --> 01:34:01,639
» it's a study session
>> a study session with the village to

1124
01:33:57,280 --> 01:34:01,639
let's just let's just hash this out

1125
01:34:01,679 --> 01:34:07,120
I'm all in for a joint study.
>> A joint study session would be

1126
01:34:04,639 --> 01:34:11,840
excellent. U if I could
>> actually I think Commissioner Toto had

1127
01:34:08,800 --> 01:34:17,600
her hand up and I had pointed it out.
Okay. I jumped over her because I wanted

1128
01:34:14,000 --> 01:34:23,120
to you know we had Commissioner R. So um
if I we could switch to Christina

1129
01:34:21,440 --> 01:34:26,880
and still have Commissioner Tyson and
Commissioner

1130
01:34:23,840 --> 01:34:31,280
» I do I do very aggressorly bragging over
there. Um, we did suggest a study

1131
01:34:29,840 --> 01:34:37,600
session and I think it would be
productive and I think it's better than

1132
01:34:34,560 --> 01:34:42,880
an IGA because there's a lot of mistrust
in the process in the closed process.

1133
01:34:40,320 --> 01:34:48,480
So, a joint public study session I think
would be very helpful. It would be very

1134
01:34:45,360 --> 01:34:53,840
transparent. It would allow us to work
on the areas of commonality and and

1135
01:34:51,600 --> 01:35:04,159
produce a result.
Um the challenge with having individuals

1136
01:34:59,840 --> 01:35:08,159
talk to individuals on the trustees is
number one the feedback loop number two

1137
01:35:06,320 --> 01:35:13,120
representing the majority position of
the park district board and number three

1138
01:35:11,280 --> 01:35:21,440
um trying to angle for a different
solution. So this you're 17th I'm 17th

1139
01:35:18,320 --> 01:35:27,440
of the decision making authority when we
decide that's the decision and I support

1140
01:35:25,120 --> 01:35:31,440
that whether I agree or I don't agree
that we should pull the permits but we

1141
01:35:29,040 --> 01:35:38,159
pulled them so we support that that is
the majority position um so a joint

1142
01:35:35,199 --> 01:35:42,000
study session it is is to me a
transparent solution which I think this

1143
01:35:39,840 --> 01:35:47,840
community would welcome and I think it
would be helpful It's cumbersome. It's

1144
01:35:44,719 --> 01:35:54,679
time consuming. But um I think we can
set an agenda and maybe

1145
01:35:51,679 --> 01:35:54,679
um

1146
01:35:54,719 --> 01:36:04,400
» we heard tonight that our community
wants to be involved in this and um I

1147
01:36:00,800 --> 01:36:11,120
see another option and that is forming a
joint advisory board composed of members

1148
01:36:07,600 --> 01:36:15,280
of our community with both the village
and and park district. if that is

1149
01:36:13,360 --> 01:36:20,320
possible lawfully. Go ahead.
>> Um and again, yes, I support a joint

1150
01:36:18,480 --> 01:36:25,840
study session. I was disappointed last
night, quite frankly, that the park

1151
01:36:22,719 --> 01:36:30,560
district wasn't working with the village
in that meeting so that we could

1152
01:36:28,400 --> 01:36:34,159
collaborate.
>> No, no, you understand what I'm saying.

1153
01:36:32,800 --> 01:36:38,880
In other words, I think it would have
been great if we had had commissioners

1154
01:36:36,800 --> 01:36:46,800
of the park district and village
trustees all at one meeting.

1155
01:36:42,960 --> 01:36:52,159
side by side. And again, I want to share
uh Commissioner Rat's concern about

1156
01:36:49,280 --> 01:36:57,360
actually talking to other elected
officials. I have both been censured as

1157
01:36:55,440 --> 01:37:03,040
well as had a harassment complaint
against me because I have dared to speak

1158
01:37:00,480 --> 01:37:07,280
with people. And so that is a chilling
effect and and we need to to try to

1159
01:37:06,320 --> 01:37:11,440
correct that.
>> Wait a minute.

1160
01:37:09,360 --> 01:37:17,520
That's that's jumping from where we are.
Okay, Commissioner Tyson,

1161
01:37:15,440 --> 01:37:21,360
» number of ideas already put forward. I
don't want to be repetitive and mention

1162
01:37:19,520 --> 01:37:26,480
a lot of good ideas have already been
suggested. Um, I just want to refer back

1163
01:37:24,159 --> 01:37:30,800
again to the meeting last night. You
know, I think it was great public came

1164
01:37:28,080 --> 01:37:34,159
forward, made their feelings known even
though

1165
01:37:32,480 --> 01:37:40,960
they they made it happen. They forced it
to happen and as a result change was

1166
01:37:36,560 --> 01:37:47,760
made. um village came to us, made this
proposal for tower. That's part A. Part

1167
01:37:44,560 --> 01:37:51,280
B is they requested that we close
Centennial Park Beach at the same time.

1168
01:37:49,840 --> 01:37:55,840
I'm glad to hear that they're backing
off that. So, my comments right now have

1169
01:37:54,239 --> 01:38:00,239
nothing to do with Centennial Beach
because as far as I'm concerned, that's

1170
01:37:58,080 --> 01:38:06,239
off the table, changing that. My
comments are related to the proposal at

1171
01:38:03,520 --> 01:38:11,199
Tower. Uh last week, we had a discussion
about it. Uh I think it was a good

1172
01:38:08,239 --> 01:38:16,719
discussion. Uh I don't recall anyone
saying that they were against

1173
01:38:14,000 --> 01:38:20,560
the proposal or against the pilot
program. I think there were some good

1174
01:38:18,239 --> 01:38:23,119
concerns raised around safety. I think
some of them were raised by by me.

1175
01:38:22,080 --> 01:38:28,719
That's why I'm saying they were good
concerns. But um

1176
01:38:26,800 --> 01:38:34,719
they weren't things that couldn't be
addressed via conversation. So, I think

1177
01:38:32,239 --> 01:38:38,960
it's unfair for someone to say that the
park district is totally against their

1178
01:38:36,880 --> 01:38:43,119
program. That that is not true. We just
had some meaningful discussion. We

1179
01:38:40,880 --> 01:38:46,239
wanted to learn more about it last night
and then we wanted to talk about it

1180
01:38:44,639 --> 01:38:51,520
tonight. That was that was the purpose
of this meeting. So, that's all I have

1181
01:38:48,639 --> 01:38:57,520
to say.
>> Yeah. Um,

1182
01:38:54,239 --> 01:39:03,920
so to start with, uh, a little over a
year ago, I was not a board member and I

1183
01:39:00,000 --> 01:39:09,679
was a regular WKA citizen. And all of
this, I've learned a lot since then and

1184
01:39:05,760 --> 01:39:15,280
it's been very confusing to navigate and
um, a lot of the time I think the both

1185
01:39:12,080 --> 01:39:21,119
boards, the village and this board um,
assume that everybody knows what's going

1186
01:39:17,040 --> 01:39:27,119
on. I I I personally don't think that
citizens should have to come in front of

1187
01:39:24,000 --> 01:39:31,520
boards and and beg for um things that
are, you know, expected like the dog

1188
01:39:29,520 --> 01:39:36,944
beach. So, um
>> sorry, I'm having trouble hearing you.

1189
01:39:35,040 --> 01:39:42,199
» I'll speak.
[laughter]

1190
01:39:38,400 --> 01:39:42,199
» Okay. um

1191
01:39:43,760 --> 01:39:50,719
like you know for for any of these
things you you you just want to be a a

1192
01:39:48,239 --> 01:39:55,440
citizen of the village and and good
things happen and you go enjoy them and

1193
01:39:52,560 --> 01:40:01,679
and um but you know then on the other
hand boards do make binding decisions

1194
01:39:58,639 --> 01:40:06,480
and you know it's it's hard for people
to to pay attention and know when to

1195
01:40:04,400 --> 01:40:12,400
show up to to beg for the thing they
want. episodes. Um, uh, my main point

1196
01:40:10,320 --> 01:40:21,520
there is I agree that it'd be nice if we
could just get something done. Um,

1197
01:40:17,600 --> 01:40:27,360
the the the progress of these board
meetings, you know, this is a um a

1198
01:40:25,040 --> 01:40:31,360
process of one meeting a month and then
the village has a meeting and we have a

1199
01:40:28,880 --> 01:40:37,360
meeting too. There isn't a lot of
there's no discussion you know there's

1200
01:40:34,960 --> 01:40:45,920
so many different parts of this balloon
to squeeze that it would take many hours

1201
01:40:41,440 --> 01:40:52,000
of rational discussion to un you know to
to come to a a solution on these things

1202
01:40:49,040 --> 01:40:56,639
and the way both these boards operate is
you know the village says something and

1203
01:40:54,800 --> 01:41:02,320
that you know we feel is
mischaracterized and we say something

1204
01:40:58,880 --> 01:41:08,560
that uh somebody thinks is not founded
in you know the law and back and forth

1205
01:41:05,119 --> 01:41:13,280
and and there there has been movement
towards this idea of a um some sort of

1206
01:41:11,600 --> 01:41:20,239
collaboration between the village and us
and that's really the only way that

1207
01:41:15,679 --> 01:41:25,920
anything's going to move forward. Um our
my experience so far on this board has

1208
01:41:22,639 --> 01:41:34,880
been that the park district works very
hard to come up with rational plans. Um

1209
01:41:30,719 --> 01:41:40,239
and the village raises uh you know
concerns or things they'd like to have

1210
01:41:36,480 --> 01:41:45,840
changed. we change those things. Uh and
then we go back and and

1211
01:41:43,520 --> 01:41:51,920
you know some sometimes the requirements
like flip 180 degrees uh from from

1212
01:41:49,280 --> 01:41:56,800
meeting to meeting. I don't think that's
um you know I don't think that's the

1213
01:41:53,679 --> 01:42:00,719
village trying to be uh it's I think
it's just the nature of this prog you

1214
01:41:58,159 --> 01:42:05,119
know like you you forget what you did a
month ago at the meeting and and um and

1215
01:42:03,520 --> 01:42:08,400
then someone raised a new concern and
that that's the problem. So the

1216
01:42:06,639 --> 01:42:15,119
collaboration
needs to be more continuous than that.

1217
01:42:11,600 --> 01:42:22,880
Um another thing that a lot of people
this has been mentioned before but it's

1218
01:42:18,560 --> 01:42:28,800
really important that um for all these
projects to understand that we can't

1219
01:42:25,920 --> 01:42:34,000
unilaterally as a park district do
really anything in this village

1220
01:42:31,199 --> 01:42:38,239
unfortunately. Um, if we could, we'd
have an off leash dog beach at

1221
01:42:35,840 --> 01:42:44,800
Centennial right now. And we might even
build one at Tower also. Um, but we

1222
01:42:41,600 --> 01:42:51,520
can't do those things because the the
the village we we're covered by a layer

1223
01:42:48,239 --> 01:42:55,280
of zoning laws that the the village
maintains, which you know, zoning is

1224
01:42:53,679 --> 01:43:00,400
important. You need to have everything
in its right place.

1225
01:42:57,119 --> 01:43:04,000
Every thing that we want to do uh
requires a variation to our zoning

1226
01:43:02,320 --> 01:43:09,040
because the the baseline zoning
basically says [clears throat] that we

1227
01:43:05,199 --> 01:43:11,360
we can't do uh anything new.
>> Commissioner Corley, we're running on

1228
01:43:10,719 --> 01:43:18,960
time.
>> Okay. Um I'll I'll uh that's that's

1229
01:43:15,360 --> 01:43:23,760
basically uh my my my last point is that
um

1230
01:43:20,480 --> 01:43:28,159
uh I guess it all goes back to one one
more thing. Um, the Lakota plan was

1231
01:43:25,760 --> 01:43:32,560
mentioned multiple times last night and
that the village paid for it or that

1232
01:43:29,600 --> 01:43:36,159
that we paid for it. It's a great plan.
I don't think anyone's seen it. It has a

1233
01:43:34,320 --> 01:43:41,600
a chain link fence going out into the
water connecting to a breakwater. Um, I

1234
01:43:40,000 --> 01:43:45,760
feel like for the dog safety and people
safety, we need fencing to enclose the

1235
01:43:43,920 --> 01:43:51,199
dogs. That's all.
>> All right. Um, so I have a couple

1236
01:43:48,960 --> 01:43:55,840
comments. I would love to see a joint
session between the village and the park

1237
01:43:53,040 --> 01:43:59,840
district. I think that, you know,
whether or not it's truly an IGA or some

1238
01:43:58,080 --> 01:44:04,960
sort of memorandum of understanding,
that's probably something we have to

1239
01:44:01,520 --> 01:44:11,360
also devise. Um, but again, I've said
it, I think, you know, we need to work

1240
01:44:07,119 --> 01:44:15,280
together here. And I truly believe that,
um, you know, the village's efforts with

1241
01:44:13,199 --> 01:44:21,280
this pilot program was an attempt to do
it. it maybe was a miss, but you know, I

1242
01:44:17,920 --> 01:44:26,400
love the public comment because um it's
very hard to make decisions in vacuums

1243
01:44:24,080 --> 01:44:31,760
that affect people. So, I really the
public comment is great. I it's nice to

1244
01:44:29,760 --> 01:44:37,440
see new faces here that have different
views and certainly um you know over the

1245
01:44:35,440 --> 01:44:42,719
last couple of days I've heard from a
lot of people outside of meetings

1246
01:44:39,679 --> 01:44:49,119
reaching out to me um calling me you
know if they get my phone number from

1247
01:44:44,480 --> 01:44:54,239
someone. Um but anyhow, um I uh would
like to if every commissioner is

1248
01:44:51,600 --> 01:44:59,679
finished with comment, I'd like to move
on and try and um figure out what we're

1249
01:44:58,000 --> 01:45:05,760
going to do here. But the first part of
it that I think we have to do is discuss

1250
01:45:01,840 --> 01:45:09,679
the um lease amendment. Um, I think that
there's a couple sort of open issues in

1251
01:45:07,760 --> 01:45:15,600
the lease amendment that we have to as a
board um, satisfy in order to, you know,

1252
01:45:14,320 --> 01:45:19,840
go back to the village. I don't know
that the village is willing to move

1253
01:45:17,520 --> 01:45:26,080
here, but I'd like to adopt a lease
amendment. I'd like to, um, you know,

1254
01:45:22,800 --> 01:45:29,760
have a conditional acceptance of it, you
know, as long as Centennial remains

1255
01:45:27,760 --> 01:45:34,400
open. Um, and see what the village wants
to do with that. that as commissioners,

1256
01:45:31,360 --> 01:45:38,800
we have to talk about some open items.
And the open items that we have to talk

1257
01:45:36,480 --> 01:45:44,719
about are the termination provision in
the lease amendment as well as under

1258
01:45:42,239 --> 01:45:51,679
section 4, the no interference with
Tower Road Park subsection B. Um, so I'd

1259
01:45:48,719 --> 01:45:59,880
like people to now be a little more
focused in their comments and

1260
01:45:55,040 --> 01:45:59,880
um let us know what they're thinking.

1261
01:46:01,920 --> 01:46:05,719
This is the boring part.

1262
01:46:06,800 --> 01:46:14,080
» Um, anyone want to start?
>> Are we talking about section seven?

1263
01:46:11,679 --> 01:46:18,639
» Yes. Section seven, determination
provision. What we have in front of us

1264
01:46:16,719 --> 01:46:28,239
is what we've proposed, not what the
village has. Um and also if you look in

1265
01:46:23,920 --> 01:46:33,760
um section 4 of the lease amendment in
front of us, there's a fee is an added

1266
01:46:30,880 --> 01:46:40,080
provision and
just give a fresh recollection.

1267
01:46:38,000 --> 01:46:47,360
The
park board got a letter from the village

1268
01:46:44,080 --> 01:46:50,080
suggesting that the lease amendment only
be terminated by mutual agreement.

1269
01:46:49,600 --> 01:46:55,520
» Correct.
>> An earlier draft gave either party

1270
01:46:53,199 --> 01:47:05,520
unilateral right to terminate the
amendment. And so the amendment shown to

1271
01:47:00,560 --> 01:47:11,760
section 7B was the park board's
revision to

1272
01:47:07,920 --> 01:47:16,239
agree to mutual termination but to also
express some emphasis on

1273
01:47:15,520 --> 01:47:20,560
safety,
>> right?

1274
01:47:17,040 --> 01:47:26,719
» Um so that was the the change that was
deflected at in 7B and then

1275
01:47:25,199 --> 01:47:31,760
during the meeting last Thursday there
was obviously a lot of concern over

1276
01:47:28,880 --> 01:47:36,639
whether the stansions would
be effective,

1277
01:47:32,719 --> 01:47:42,239
» right? And so section 4B was an effort
to reflect the board's consensus on

1278
01:47:40,000 --> 01:47:48,080
again safety and making sure that there
wasn't interaction between kids on the

1279
01:47:44,960 --> 01:47:55,760
playground nearby and the dogs in the
off dog beach. So that's the update

1280
01:47:51,679 --> 01:48:00,639
since last. And if I if I'm I also
believe and you can correct me if I'm

1281
01:47:57,520 --> 01:48:06,080
wrong that when the village put out its
agenda, the

1282
01:48:03,679 --> 01:48:11,360
lease amendment did not have those
changes, which to me feels like the

1283
01:48:08,960 --> 01:48:17,040
village is rejecting those requested
changes. And so we have to decide as a

1284
01:48:14,320 --> 01:48:23,760
board, do we want to stick with those
changes or are we going to accept what

1285
01:48:19,679 --> 01:48:29,040
the village is effectively proposing by
not having our requested changes in the

1286
01:48:26,719 --> 01:48:34,880
draft that was attached to their agenda.
I will say in the village's executive

1287
01:48:32,400 --> 01:48:38,719
summary or whatever they call it, it did
describe what we'd asked for, but what

1288
01:48:37,119 --> 01:48:44,639
they were putting in front of their
commissioners to adopt

1289
01:48:42,159 --> 01:48:50,719
had the meeting proceeded
in would have been um only terminable um

1290
01:48:48,560 --> 01:48:56,960
if both parties agreed.
>> Is that right? Yeah, their version of 7B

1291
01:48:53,520 --> 01:49:00,480
was just only termination by mutual
agreement and I think you would have

1292
01:48:58,159 --> 01:49:04,719
delegated that decision to both manager
and the corrective director.

1293
01:49:02,320 --> 01:49:10,880
» So, it's kind of negotiation, a weird
negotiation, but anyhow,

1294
01:49:07,760 --> 01:49:15,920
» uh I like the changes made to 7B. I
would be in favor of including those

1295
01:49:14,560 --> 01:49:18,719
what we're suggesting back to the
village.

1296
01:49:16,400 --> 01:49:22,880
» Okay. Um,
I think not to rehash the conversation

1297
01:49:20,880 --> 01:49:26,960
from last week, but we talked about what
a stansion, what does it do?

1298
01:49:24,800 --> 01:49:29,760
» Does it stop a dog from going anywhere?
And the answer was, to our

1299
01:49:28,560 --> 01:49:33,600
understanding, no.
>> It's just a line of demarcation. It's it

1300
01:49:32,000 --> 01:49:38,960
doesn't block a dog.
>> So, I think this is a great suggestion

1301
01:49:35,360 --> 01:49:42,960
made last week to say, okay, well, we
agree to that. We want to know how many

1302
01:49:41,360 --> 01:49:46,239
incidents
happen.

1303
01:49:43,760 --> 01:49:50,239
» Mhm. Because the proposal was that there
would be individuals standing there to

1304
01:49:48,560 --> 01:49:53,920
block to stop the dogs from doing this.
In my opinion, you need to have a person

1305
01:49:51,760 --> 01:49:59,199
every three three feet maybe you could
stop the dog from going through. But

1306
01:49:56,480 --> 01:50:04,080
this at least allowed us to escalate and
say, "Hey, if this is not working, we'd

1307
01:50:02,080 --> 01:50:08,800
like us to consider another percentage."
So I I'm in favor of

1308
01:50:06,960 --> 01:50:12,320
» what's fourth and seventh day. I would
recommend that we include that what we

1309
01:50:11,040 --> 01:50:17,360
suggest back to the village.
>> Okay. And what about 4B?

1310
01:50:15,360 --> 01:50:20,080
» You do one at a time.
>> Do one at a time.

1311
01:50:18,400 --> 01:50:24,239
» Okay. Yes, let's do one at a time then.
That makes sense.

1312
01:50:22,080 --> 01:50:31,600
» Um I wasn't at the last board meeting,
but I did watch the video. The audio was

1313
01:50:28,000 --> 01:50:38,400
high quality. Um
I'm not in favor of these edits.

1314
01:50:34,719 --> 01:50:44,080
It makes us appear as obstructionist to
what the village is trying to do.

1315
01:50:42,159 --> 01:50:50,400
I don't mind the material health and
safety. I just think

1316
01:50:47,040 --> 01:51:00,080
defining it three times.
Listen, this agency is pro dog.

1317
01:50:57,360 --> 01:51:07,520
Those edits make this agency, this board
seem anti-off leash dog. I think it's

1318
01:51:05,119 --> 01:51:13,440
going to be a challenge
with stansions.

1319
01:51:10,080 --> 01:51:21,040
Guess what? It's the villages off leash
dog park. I do not want to get in the

1320
01:51:17,199 --> 01:51:26,400
way of them trying to
create to come up with some step

1321
01:51:24,400 --> 01:51:32,400
forward.
Um albeit for a short period of time.

1322
01:51:30,480 --> 01:51:39,599
um
a uh as it was described last night by

1323
01:51:35,040 --> 01:51:47,679
Commissioner Abto legal off leash dog
park. So I am not for this

1324
01:51:45,040 --> 01:51:53,760
definition of material health and safety
um amendment. Thank you.

1325
01:51:50,719 --> 01:51:59,040
» Okay. Any other commissioners who wish
to speak?

1326
01:51:56,320 --> 01:52:08,080
» I'm in agreement with Commissioner Sean.
Um first of all under section uh 3B

1327
01:52:04,880 --> 01:52:15,520
um the park district is fully identified
by the village if there aren't any

1328
01:52:10,400 --> 01:52:23,679
issues. Um if if we are are keeping the
period of time from 6 a.m. until 8:30

1329
01:52:19,520 --> 01:52:29,360
a.m. then our park cams do not begin
until 9:00.

1330
01:52:26,000 --> 01:52:35,920
And again, this is the village's pilot
where they are responsible. It is it is

1331
01:52:32,320 --> 01:52:40,000
not our duty to tell the village how to
be responsible.

1332
01:52:37,840 --> 01:52:44,159
And then finally, as I suggested
earlier, if we're going to do a pilot,

1333
01:52:42,159 --> 01:52:48,880
I'd like to get back to them and say,
"Our lifeguards, I believe they leave at

1334
01:52:46,880 --> 01:52:53,599
8:00 p.m. Am I correct, executive
director?"

1335
01:52:51,040 --> 01:52:55,840
Is is that when in the evening?
>> That's the closing time of the beach.

1336
01:52:55,360 --> 01:53:01,920
Yes.
>> Well, then um if it is still light out

1337
01:52:59,440 --> 01:53:07,520
and the village wishes to extend their
their pilot program, I'd like to see

1338
01:53:04,800 --> 01:53:10,960
anything out because it it is still
light.

1339
01:53:08,960 --> 01:53:15,520
» Yeah. I just it's a cost question I
think for them.

1340
01:53:11,920 --> 01:53:20,719
» Well, again, it's up to them. But we are
hearing from our community that that

1341
01:53:17,599 --> 01:53:25,040
that a 2 and 1/2 hour pilot is not going
to be used and that that people would

1342
01:53:23,040 --> 01:53:28,803
like to see a little more time.
>> Okay.

1343
01:53:26,239 --> 01:53:31,599
» 8:00 p.m. when we're all in bed.
[laughter]

1344
01:53:29,520 --> 01:53:36,239
» I mean that's
>> T you may be in bed but I can assure you

1345
01:53:34,159 --> 01:53:40,480
that we have people who are not. So
anyway I I don't like these amendments

1346
01:53:39,119 --> 01:53:45,199
at all.
And and again I think the first question

1347
01:53:43,040 --> 01:53:50,000
is village are you even still
considering this pilot because I took

1348
01:53:47,119 --> 01:53:52,400
away last night that they were done with
it. So I think we

1349
01:53:50,960 --> 01:53:57,920
» well I think it was based on the
erroneous assumption that we had

1350
01:53:54,480 --> 01:54:03,280
rejected the the plan the pilot which we
had not. I'm going to turn to

1351
01:54:00,000 --> 01:54:07,599
commissioner Cotto. Um I am in agreement
with commissioner Tyson. I think we have

1352
01:54:05,520 --> 01:54:15,360
expertise in running a dog beach. We've
run one with some excellent staff work,

1353
01:54:11,440 --> 01:54:23,679
knowledge, experience for the last 20ome
years. And I think that these two

1354
01:54:18,320 --> 01:54:27,840
amendments reflect useful advice, help,
uh, expertise that we can share with the

1355
01:54:25,679 --> 01:54:30,719
village. I don't want to see it fail
>> and we have expertise and I think we

1356
01:54:29,760 --> 01:54:35,679
should offer it.
>> Hold on. Hold on. Do we have that

1357
01:54:33,119 --> 01:54:39,760
language in our
omni stuffer?

1358
01:54:38,000 --> 01:54:41,920
So we are asking the village for
stronger, tighter language than we

1359
01:54:41,280 --> 01:54:45,440
currently have.
>> No, our unleash dog park. You have to

1360
01:54:43,679 --> 01:54:48,880
have your dog on leash. So I don't
understand.

1361
01:54:46,880 --> 01:54:56,040
» Well, I understand that, but we know
from Mr. Edward.

1362
01:54:51,199 --> 01:54:56,040
» All right. U Commissioner Rap,

1363
01:54:56,159 --> 01:55:02,880
» I don't feel strongly that the village
needs to adopt our language. I felt like

1364
01:54:59,840 --> 01:55:08,159
they had made changes in their document
packet that kind of covered at least to

1365
01:55:06,080 --> 01:55:14,239
me some of our, you know, concerns in
terms of the um

1366
01:55:12,080 --> 01:55:19,040
mutual termination
um for health and safety reasons. I

1367
01:55:16,800 --> 01:55:23,599
think we've
laid out what some of our concerns are

1368
01:55:21,760 --> 01:55:28,000
for them. That's helpful guidance. We've
delivered it, but it's ultimately, you

1369
01:55:25,440 --> 01:55:31,119
know, it's going to be a discussion. Um,
so that's my those are my thoughts on

1370
01:55:29,679 --> 01:55:35,040
the termination. Do you want the
comments on the other section?

1371
01:55:32,480 --> 01:55:39,360
» No, we'll go to you have to hear from.
>> So I I don't want the the legal ease to

1372
01:55:37,040 --> 01:55:42,560
be a barrier. I guess I mean it's a
pilot

1373
01:55:41,119 --> 01:55:47,040
and it might already be a barrier
because I did when I listened to the

1374
01:55:44,400 --> 01:55:51,360
meetings to know that unless they felt
like we were really gung-ho a positive

1375
01:55:49,040 --> 01:55:56,239
way, the community was gung-ho in a
positive way. I mean it it represents a

1376
01:55:54,719 --> 01:55:59,679
lot of effort. when I was looking at the
staffing. Oh,

1377
01:55:57,520 --> 01:56:04,880
» sure. And you know, if people aren't
excited about it, like these people out

1378
01:56:02,400 --> 01:56:08,400
here, it it says something,
>> right? They may change their opinion

1379
01:56:06,719 --> 01:56:12,239
based on public comment, but I don't
want them to change their opinion based

1380
01:56:10,400 --> 01:56:16,480
on the erroneous assumption that we
rejected it cuz we never voted on it.

1381
01:56:14,719 --> 01:56:20,960
And one thing with our board is we do
disagree sometimes with each other and

1382
01:56:19,199 --> 01:56:25,360
with what's in front of us, but it
doesn't mean that that's the action we

1383
01:56:22,880 --> 01:56:30,800
took and we did not take action. I want
to be very clear on that. Um

1384
01:56:27,520 --> 01:56:33,520
» yeah. Um right. So like whether the the
village moves ahead or not, that's their

1385
01:56:32,719 --> 01:56:42,560
decision. It's their [clears throat]
their pilot. Um the

1386
01:56:37,679 --> 01:56:47,599
um us telling them what to do with their
property. I I agree with that that you

1387
01:56:44,880 --> 01:56:54,239
know they can do what they they want on
their property and uh I think we should

1388
01:56:50,560 --> 01:57:00,400
vote to allow them to to do that. Um but
there is also this language talks about

1389
01:56:57,840 --> 01:57:06,800
the dogs coming from their property onto
park district property and we don't have

1390
01:57:04,719 --> 01:57:10,850
control over that. There's not a a
fence. There's no barrier for the the to

1391
01:57:09,040 --> 01:57:15,280
keep the dogs in that area.
[clears throat] And I think, you know,

1392
01:57:12,960 --> 01:57:21,040
that's
um I don't know if that's part of the

1393
01:57:17,920 --> 01:57:27,280
pilot plan or not to to operate a beach
without a fence uh indefinitely, but um

1394
01:57:24,400 --> 01:57:32,800
uh I think it's important that we just
like any other neighbor have some input

1395
01:57:30,480 --> 01:57:39,440
on whether the dogs are uh on our
property. And the a concern is the

1396
01:57:36,719 --> 01:57:46,159
playground. We have data that shows that
from starting at 6:00 a.m. that

1397
01:57:42,639 --> 01:57:52,719
playground is in use by kids and their
moms and things. So, um it's I think it

1398
01:57:50,960 --> 01:57:56,599
should be important to us that dogs
don't go over there

1399
01:57:58,480 --> 01:58:04,320
» question
their pilot.

1400
01:58:01,760 --> 01:58:08,491
» All right. Um so,
>> sorry. Is that in favor of the language

1401
01:58:05,840 --> 01:58:12,159
that's new or not?
[laughter]

1402
01:58:09,520 --> 01:58:17,040
» I I I would say that the the new
language is more restrictive. I defer to

1403
01:58:15,040 --> 01:58:22,560
the legal council whether or not it's it
accomplishes the goal of being uh of

1404
01:58:20,000 --> 01:58:30,080
protecting us and and giving us options
to act if the the you know if it does

1405
01:58:26,719 --> 01:58:34,960
turn into dogs running everywhere. Um so
I think that means I'm in favor of it.

1406
01:58:33,760 --> 01:58:38,000
in favor of
>> the language

1407
01:58:35,840 --> 01:58:40,560
» the villages or this language that was
in our

1408
01:58:38,800 --> 01:58:43,840
» the new language that
>> can you please read I can't pull it up

1409
01:58:42,239 --> 01:58:49,440
on my phone can you please read the
language for termination that was

1410
01:58:46,000 --> 01:58:51,599
attached for the agenda not this for the
agenda

1411
01:58:50,639 --> 01:58:53,599
» um language
>> the villages language

1412
01:58:52,639 --> 01:58:57,199
» I don't have that
>> the village effect would you because

1413
01:58:55,599 --> 01:58:59,280
it's not pulling up on my phone for some
reason I keep on getting some weird

1414
01:58:58,560 --> 01:59:04,080
accessibility
>> okay so for termination in the documents

1415
01:59:01,840 --> 01:59:06,719
that are included in the village packet
>> for last night's meeting

1416
01:59:04,880 --> 01:59:10,639
» for last night's meeting. Termination is
the first amendment may be terminated by

1417
01:59:08,880 --> 01:59:15,440
mutual agreement of the Waka Park
district's exe executive director and

1418
01:59:13,040 --> 01:59:19,440
the Waka village manager for material
health and safety reasons and thereby

1419
01:59:17,440 --> 01:59:24,560
restore the lease agreement as it
existed prior to this first amendment.

1420
01:59:22,400 --> 01:59:27,199
That's what was attached last night.
>> Okay.

1421
01:59:25,679 --> 01:59:31,360
» All right.
>> So, it didn't have the further detail of

1422
01:59:29,840 --> 01:59:35,239
what constituted it.
>> Okay. Um,

1423
01:59:35,920 --> 01:59:42,159
we may have a few different motions that
come forward here, but let's give a go

1424
01:59:40,000 --> 01:59:45,280
on one and we'll see. Uh, may I have a
motion to authorize the executive

1425
01:59:43,520 --> 01:59:49,520
director and legal counsel to negotiate
and execute the necessary documents,

1426
01:59:47,199 --> 01:59:55,360
including the lease amendment, um, as
attached to our agenda and

1427
01:59:52,880 --> 02:00:00,320
implementation plan to facilitate the
temporary Tower Road Dog Beach pilot

1428
01:59:58,800 --> 02:00:07,280
program.
Um provided however the uh this is a

1429
02:00:04,880 --> 02:00:12,800
conditional motion
um

1430
02:00:09,119 --> 02:00:16,880
that the village ordinance is amended to
remove

1431
02:00:14,320 --> 02:00:23,679
the provision regarding the closure of
Centennial Beach to dogs and the opening

1432
02:00:20,239 --> 02:00:29,280
of Centennial Beaches of passive use. It
has to be conditional on that.

1433
02:00:25,840 --> 02:00:30,880
» So moved. Second
>> discussion.

1434
02:00:30,080 --> 02:00:35,040
» Yeah.
>> What What are we doing here?

1435
02:00:32,880 --> 02:00:40,880
» So I'm So I'm trying to I'm trying to
figure out what the commissioners want

1436
02:00:38,080 --> 02:00:44,239
to do. Do we want to take the villages
language? Do we want to take our

1437
02:00:42,480 --> 02:00:48,320
language? The first motion I'm asking
for is with our language

1438
02:00:46,239 --> 02:00:51,199
» with the condition that Centennial stays
open as a dog.

1439
02:00:49,440 --> 02:00:57,199
» It's dellinking the condition that
Centennial be closed when they open

1440
02:00:54,239 --> 02:01:02,560
their pilot. It's also de it's also
removing our specific language. Well,

1441
02:01:00,560 --> 02:01:07,119
no, in this case, it's with the specific
language that certain violations will

1442
02:01:04,800 --> 02:01:12,320
have certain results.
>> So, our our language and uh Centennial

1443
02:01:10,719 --> 02:01:16,080
remains open as an unleash,
>> right?

1444
02:01:12,800 --> 02:01:21,920
» Okay. I'm a no.
>> Oh, wait a minute. Um, we have

1445
02:01:20,400 --> 02:01:24,960
» I [laughter] guess I can I can learn. I
can learn.

1446
02:01:22,800 --> 02:01:31,440
» All right. Let's have Okay. So, I think
we sort of already had discussion.

1447
02:01:27,599 --> 02:01:34,080
» Okay. So, let's let's go to a vote. Um
Saba,

1448
02:01:32,080 --> 02:01:37,599
» this is specific to section seven. We
not have not yet addressed section four.

1449
02:01:36,639 --> 02:01:41,760
» Yes.
>> Okay.

1450
02:01:39,199 --> 02:01:44,960
» Just that section or is it the whole
>> Should we go you want to go to section

1451
02:01:43,119 --> 02:01:48,719
four too? Oh my god. You have a million
different motions.

1452
02:01:47,119 --> 02:01:52,880
There's a handful of stuff. I think the
important one is the the disconnecting

1453
02:01:50,480 --> 02:01:54,800
of the closure of of anyway.
>> We don't want to accidentally vote

1454
02:01:54,239 --> 02:01:57,280
against,
>> right? We don't. Okay. So, let's

1455
02:01:56,480 --> 02:02:01,679
actually
>> I I want I'm voting against the

1456
02:02:00,000 --> 02:02:07,440
amendment section.
>> Okay. Let's I agree with I apologize.

1457
02:02:04,880 --> 02:02:14,000
This is a little scattered. I agree with
um Edy Nazol. Let's talk about section

1458
02:02:11,040 --> 02:02:17,480
4B and then we can talk about what we're
going to move on.

1459
02:02:17,599 --> 02:02:24,239
So, anyone want to open discussion on
>> 4B is the three strikes year.

1460
02:02:22,320 --> 02:02:26,400
» Yeah. Right.
>> Foreign individuals.

1461
02:02:26,000 --> 02:02:28,560
» Correct.
>> From the village.

1462
02:02:27,280 --> 02:02:31,360
» Yes.
>> Can I go?

1463
02:02:29,920 --> 02:02:37,520
» Yeah.
reads, "The village agrees to revoke a

1464
02:02:33,840 --> 02:02:43,040
person's privileges to use Tower Road
Beach Dog area whenever that person's

1465
02:02:40,159 --> 02:02:49,520
dog is found off leash outside the
boundaries of Tower Road Beach Dog area

1466
02:02:46,880 --> 02:02:54,719
three times. The village agrees to
report back to the park district on a

1467
02:02:52,080 --> 02:02:58,560
weekly basis any and all instances
incidents of individuals permitting

1468
02:02:56,880 --> 02:03:02,960
their dog to be off leash outside the
Tower Road Beach Dog area. I would say

1469
02:03:01,199 --> 02:03:07,760
again I I think similar to to the
amendment again was not at not at the

1470
02:03:05,040 --> 02:03:14,080
meeting listen to the our our meeting.
Um I just listen I we're we're we're

1471
02:03:12,719 --> 02:03:19,840
telling the village how to run their
business which I just I just can't

1472
02:03:16,159 --> 02:03:24,800
stand. And um it is not at all this this
edit is not at all in the spirit of

1473
02:03:21,599 --> 02:03:29,920
cooperation which we're trying to do. So
I think it's uh effectively anti-off

1474
02:03:27,280 --> 02:03:37,679
leash dog. So I do I would I would be
against our amendment on section 4B.

1475
02:03:34,000 --> 02:03:42,480
» Anyone else? Okay.
Go ahead.

1476
02:03:39,840 --> 02:03:48,560
» I agree with Commissioner Seaman. As I
said, the village is in this in this

1477
02:03:45,599 --> 02:03:51,920
document indeed park district. It is not
up to the park district to tell the

1478
02:03:50,159 --> 02:03:58,400
village how to run its business. That's
not our job. We have enough to do trying

1479
02:03:55,119 --> 02:04:06,400
to run our own business. And and again
uh to me when we become so

1480
02:04:01,840 --> 02:04:11,840
um so rule oriented here um I think
myself that this is a solution for a

1481
02:04:09,199 --> 02:04:20,320
problem that doesn't exist. if we are
limiting hours to 6:00 in the morning

1482
02:04:14,960 --> 02:04:23,040
until 8:30 a.m. So for that
I'm not in favor.

1483
02:04:21,280 --> 02:04:29,599
» Okay.
>> Um I think setting clear expectations

1484
02:04:26,560 --> 02:04:34,719
for behavior performance and
consequences

1485
02:04:31,280 --> 02:04:40,560
ensures the best results. I am
appreciative of the indemnification.

1486
02:04:37,119 --> 02:04:44,719
However, I do not want an incident.
Consequently, I think a clear

1487
02:04:43,119 --> 02:04:48,080
articulation
of

1488
02:04:46,560 --> 02:04:52,719
transgressions,
consequences,

1489
02:04:50,080 --> 02:04:59,320
um, help everyone understand what the
expectation is and that will allow for a

1490
02:04:55,440 --> 02:04:59,320
smoother revenue process.

1491
02:05:03,280 --> 02:05:15,840
I am less in favor of 4B than I am of 7B
because I think 7B actually the roll up

1492
02:05:11,599 --> 02:05:21,679
covers us under 4B. Um I think the main
difference is we're specifying I agree

1493
02:05:19,760 --> 02:05:25,679
and be how they will run things. I
disagree with the comment that we're

1494
02:05:23,040 --> 02:05:29,440
telling them how to do it in 7B because
we're letting them start the pilot is

1495
02:05:27,679 --> 02:05:34,800
exactly as they've designed it. We're
only saying if things go ary, this is

1496
02:05:32,000 --> 02:05:38,960
how we would like the escalation
procedure to happen and then to address

1497
02:05:37,360 --> 02:05:41,679
potentially
putting uh a different solution in

1498
02:05:41,040 --> 02:05:48,960
place.
>> Okay.

1499
02:05:44,400 --> 02:05:56,320
Um yeah, so for 4B it's, you know, it's
it's a rule that uh I think it points

1500
02:05:53,360 --> 02:06:00,320
out the the reality that some dogs, you
know, some dogs are not going to run

1501
02:05:57,599 --> 02:06:07,280
outside that boundary. Um some dogs
will. And you know, unfortunately, it's

1502
02:06:03,679 --> 02:06:12,239
kind of the the rule comes down on the
dog, but that's that's how it is with no

1503
02:06:09,199 --> 02:06:16,719
offense. like um some dogs are not going
to be able to to obey this. And if

1504
02:06:15,280 --> 02:06:21,760
they're doing that reg on a regular
basis, then

1505
02:06:18,719 --> 02:06:26,560
we should have a way to
in in this iteration of of a pilot dog

1506
02:06:24,400 --> 02:06:30,480
park, we should have a way to say that,
you know, your dog can't do this

1507
02:06:28,159 --> 02:06:35,599
stansion thing. Your dog doesn't
understand the stansions. You didn't

1508
02:06:32,560 --> 02:06:39,280
explain it to your dog well enough. And
so your dog can't can't be here. You

1509
02:06:37,760 --> 02:06:45,440
know, that's that's the reality of not
having a fence. Some dogs are going to

1510
02:06:41,840 --> 02:06:50,960
not be able to
>> commission R.

1511
02:06:47,599 --> 02:06:57,520
» I just wanted to read section 4 was in
the agreement that was proposed in the

1512
02:06:54,880 --> 02:07:01,280
village packet. Um, no interference with
Tower Road Park. The park district and

1513
02:07:00,000 --> 02:07:04,719
the village agreed that the
implementation plan to be

1514
02:07:02,639 --> 02:07:08,239
administratively agreed by the parties.
So to me that says staff is going to

1515
02:07:06,480 --> 02:07:12,159
work on an administration plan which can
cover some of these things. Um and

1516
02:07:10,400 --> 02:07:17,520
enforced by the village shall not permit
dogs any dogs in Tower Road Park except

1517
02:07:15,360 --> 02:07:23,360
when on leash in the parking lot or any
part of village property or

1518
02:07:20,400 --> 02:07:27,360
is located. All dogs at the Tower Road
Beach dog area must use the village

1519
02:07:25,520 --> 02:07:31,920
owned property for ingress and egress to
the Tower Road

1520
02:07:29,679 --> 02:07:36,480
Beach dog area. The park district and
the village are committed to the success

1521
02:07:33,679 --> 02:07:41,040
of the Tower Road Beach Dog area and
both will use their good faith and best

1522
02:07:38,880 --> 02:07:45,920
efforts to work collaboratively to
accomplish that success.

1523
02:07:43,520 --> 02:07:50,480
I'm pretty confident that the village
does not want an incident as much as we

1524
02:07:48,000 --> 02:07:53,840
do not want an incident. They are not
going to want to have children, you

1525
02:07:52,079 --> 02:07:56,719
know, attacked by dogs. They are not
going to want to have other patrons

1526
02:07:55,119 --> 02:08:01,199
attacked by dogs. They're not going to
want to have people hit by cars on the

1527
02:07:58,800 --> 02:08:06,000
road. I think that we can agree that our
interests are aligned on those major

1528
02:08:02,960 --> 02:08:09,599
safety points. So, um I'm comfortable
with the language as it was proposed in

1529
02:08:07,599 --> 02:08:14,000
the village and I feel like things will
be worked out administratively with the

1530
02:08:11,360 --> 02:08:17,840
provisioning in in document.
>> Okay.

1531
02:08:15,679 --> 02:08:22,960
» So, this that change is subsequent to
what we were talking about here. So, I'm

1532
02:08:19,599 --> 02:08:27,119
just trying to I'm trying to flush out.
So, I I that is very interesting. They

1533
02:08:25,520 --> 02:08:30,239
did amend it.
>> Yeah. And it's hard because I have not

1534
02:08:28,960 --> 02:08:33,280
gone, you know, I mean, I guess I could
pull up the printed ones from last week,

1535
02:08:32,000 --> 02:08:35,040
but I do believe it's different.
>> It's different.

1536
02:08:34,000 --> 02:08:38,679
» I do believe it's different.
>> Yeah. So,

1537
02:08:35,679 --> 02:08:38,679
» okay.

1538
02:08:39,679 --> 02:08:49,199
» I was going to ask when Centennial Dog
Beach was off leash.

1539
02:08:46,719 --> 02:08:54,984
We never got these rules.
It was off leash. Now we're asking the

1540
02:08:51,840 --> 02:08:58,719
village on a pilot program to institute
[clears throat]

1541
02:08:55,679 --> 02:09:04,159
rules that we never had for ourselves.
That is terrible.

1542
02:09:01,599 --> 02:09:10,199
That's terrible.
I understand the safety concerns, but

1543
02:09:07,040 --> 02:09:10,199
the indemnification

1544
02:09:11,119 --> 02:09:17,199
I wonder no wonder people don't like us.
I mean, this is [laughter]

1545
02:09:14,880 --> 02:09:21,679
we've never had this for our own off
leash dog park when it was off leash.

1546
02:09:19,119 --> 02:09:26,320
It's like
So,

1547
02:09:23,840 --> 02:09:31,360
thank you.
>> All right.

1548
02:09:27,920 --> 02:09:37,040
Are we done for B? We have. All right.
So, I'm going to try with all these

1549
02:09:34,719 --> 02:09:41,280
iterations and everything and we may go
through a few motions here. I'm going to

1550
02:09:39,360 --> 02:09:45,920
start out saying, may I have a motion to
authorize the executive director and

1551
02:09:42,719 --> 02:09:51,480
legal counsel to negotiate and execute
the necessary documents, including the

1552
02:09:48,159 --> 02:09:51,480
lease amendment

1553
02:09:53,760 --> 02:10:01,280
um
uh including the lease amendment

1554
02:09:58,000 --> 02:10:09,360
submitted to the village
following our June 25, 2026 meeting

1555
02:10:06,800 --> 02:10:15,280
and the implementation plan and to
facilitate the tower road the temporary

1556
02:10:11,760 --> 02:10:21,360
tower road dog pilot program
provided however that the villages

1557
02:10:18,639 --> 02:10:30,000
ordinance
requiring the closure of Centennial

1558
02:10:24,719 --> 02:10:33,000
Dog Beach to dogs has been removed
>> move

1559
02:10:35,599 --> 02:10:39,520
no
Well,

1560
02:10:37,520 --> 02:10:43,360
» I thought we were just making a motion.
>> No, to adopt the language that you just

1561
02:10:41,840 --> 02:10:45,840
» He's allowed to say yes. He's allowed to
make the motion.

1562
02:10:44,639 --> 02:10:47,119
» Okay, you make a motion.
>> Listen,

1563
02:10:46,320 --> 02:10:51,599
» whatever.
>> I I can't make motions. I would like a

1564
02:10:49,360 --> 02:10:56,079
motion. The most important thing to do
tonight is to to take out from the

1565
02:10:55,280 --> 02:10:59,719
village ordinance.
>> But we're going to get there.

1566
02:11:00,719 --> 02:11:05,679
» That's why I said we're going to have
many iterations. Second,

1567
02:11:03,679 --> 02:11:07,199
» I didn't so move it. I I I withdraw
myself.

1568
02:11:06,239 --> 02:11:14,199
» Okay. So move
>> second.

1569
02:11:08,000 --> 02:11:14,199
» Okay. Can we have a vote, please?

1570
02:11:14,400 --> 02:11:19,599
» Commissioner, what?
>> I'm not clear on how we're voting on.

1571
02:11:17,599 --> 02:11:23,040
» We're voting. We're voting on the on the
approval of our amendments.

1572
02:11:20,639 --> 02:11:28,560
» The approval of the amendments that were
that were devised following our meeting

1573
02:11:26,239 --> 02:11:34,079
of last in our packet.
>> Yes. Not the ones in the village packet.

1574
02:11:30,800 --> 02:11:40,159
» Right. Correct. and the dellinking of
>> the dinking of centennial. Can

1575
02:11:36,239 --> 02:11:46,159
» we can we separate those motions? Okay.
Okay. I think there's on the dlinking

1576
02:11:43,360 --> 02:11:48,719
» yes of centennial closure of
>> I don't want to say closure of

1577
02:11:47,280 --> 02:11:56,239
centennial. I want to say opening
centennial for passive use but closing

1578
02:11:53,520 --> 02:12:01,679
it for dogs.
Okay. Can we make a motion

1579
02:11:59,920 --> 02:12:05,199
to um I'm trying to think of how to say
this with the village because it's

1580
02:12:03,760 --> 02:12:08,560
really the village ordinance.
>> Well, there's the the adopting the first

1581
02:12:07,599 --> 02:12:11,119
change.
>> We'll do that. But what they're saying

1582
02:12:10,560 --> 02:12:16,199
is
>> delink

1583
02:12:12,960 --> 02:12:16,199
and the del.

1584
02:12:16,320 --> 02:12:22,239
» Let's do that. Let's do a vote on 4B.
>> Okay.

1585
02:12:19,440 --> 02:12:26,239
» A vote on 7B and then a vote on D.
>> Okay. All right. All right. May I have a

1586
02:12:24,320 --> 02:12:34,480
motion to authorize the executive
director and legal counsel to um

1587
02:12:31,199 --> 02:12:39,040
» let's just let's just make a motion to
direct executive director and legal

1588
02:12:36,560 --> 02:12:44,159
counsel to negotiate 4B
>> right as the park board has presented

1589
02:12:41,119 --> 02:12:52,880
» right as the park board has presented in
its agenda today. So move. Second.

1590
02:12:49,119 --> 02:12:54,800
» Okay. Can we go a vote?
>> Commissioner Cono,

1591
02:12:54,000 --> 02:12:56,719
» yes.
>> Commissioner Rap,

1592
02:12:55,840 --> 02:12:59,040
» no.
>> Commissioner Roots,

1593
02:12:57,760 --> 02:13:00,800
» no.
>> Commissioner Seaman,

1594
02:13:00,000 --> 02:13:02,560
» no.
>> Commissioner Tyson,

1595
02:13:01,920 --> 02:13:04,560
» no.
>> Commissioner Corley,

1596
02:13:03,679 --> 02:13:06,719
» yes.
>> President Gibson,

1597
02:13:05,599 --> 02:13:13,280
» no.
>> The motion does not pass. Okay. So that

1598
02:13:09,760 --> 02:13:19,599
means 4B will no longer be in the
version that we we no longer have 4B in

1599
02:13:16,880 --> 02:13:23,280
the version.
>> Keep going.

1600
02:13:20,079 --> 02:13:34,239
» Okay. May I have a motion
um to adopt the uh seven the language um

1601
02:13:29,360 --> 02:13:37,280
in section 7B that was in the park
district's agenda for today.

1602
02:13:36,239 --> 02:13:40,239
» So moved.
>> Second.

1603
02:13:43,040 --> 02:13:49,040
Commissioner Roots.
>> No.

1604
02:13:46,880 --> 02:13:52,320
» Commissioner Ralph.
>> No.

1605
02:13:51,040 --> 02:13:54,480
» Commissioner Cotto.
>> Yes.

1606
02:13:53,280 --> 02:13:57,440
» Commissioner Seaman.
>> No.

1607
02:13:55,920 --> 02:13:59,440
» Commissioner Tyson.
>> Yes.

1608
02:13:58,000 --> 02:14:00,880
» Commissioner Corley.
>> Yes.

1609
02:13:59,840 --> 02:14:03,880
» President G.
>> No.

1610
02:14:06,560 --> 02:14:10,480
» Okay.
So do we need to say anything to say

1611
02:14:10,239 --> 02:14:16,320
that?
>> So now the next motion is motion to

1612
02:14:13,360 --> 02:14:17,840
approve the first amendment as presented
by the village.

1613
02:14:17,280 --> 02:14:23,119
» Okay.
>> With the decoupling of the requirement

1614
02:14:20,719 --> 02:14:27,760
that Centennial Beach closed to dogs.
>> Okay.

1615
02:14:24,719 --> 02:14:29,280
May I have a motion to adopt
what Adam said?

1616
02:14:28,880 --> 02:14:32,960
» Pardon?
>> What Adam said?

1617
02:14:30,000 --> 02:14:38,480
» What Adam said? Did you get that? So the
village [clears throat] referred to it

1618
02:14:33,920 --> 02:14:45,880
as resolution number R54 2026 as
presented at the um June 30th 2026

1619
02:14:42,880 --> 02:14:45,880
meeting

1620
02:14:46,800 --> 02:14:52,800
a res right right
>> it's the resolution a resolution

1621
02:14:50,880 --> 02:14:58,079
approving a first amendment to the
memorandum of agreement between the

1622
02:14:54,560 --> 02:15:03,199
village and park district
amending the February 16th 1942

1623
02:15:02,079 --> 02:15:06,800
Um,
>> they can do it as an they can do it as a

1624
02:15:05,360 --> 02:15:10,480
resolution. We can do it as an
agreement. It's the same thing

1625
02:15:08,480 --> 02:15:12,800
effectively, isn't it? Yeah. So, don't
worry about that.

1626
02:15:11,360 --> 02:15:15,280
» I just want to make sure it's clearly
identified what the document is that

1627
02:15:14,480 --> 02:15:21,280
we're endorsing.
>> It's it's the same document. They're

1628
02:15:16,880 --> 02:15:25,280
they do resolutions. All right. So,
um,

1629
02:15:23,840 --> 02:15:32,000
» it's what Adam said
>> and the motion is to approve version

1630
02:15:28,400 --> 02:15:36,480
council's agenda yesterday subject to
village ordinance removing the

1631
02:15:34,880 --> 02:15:40,639
requirement that the Centennial Dog
Beach with with leash be closed.

1632
02:15:39,040 --> 02:15:43,639
» So moved.
>> Second.

1633
02:15:44,079 --> 02:15:49,920
» Okay. Roll call.
Commissioner Seaman,

1634
02:15:48,639 --> 02:15:51,920
» yes.
>> Commissioner Cotto,

1635
02:15:51,040 --> 02:15:54,000
» yes.
>> Commissioner Corley,

1636
02:15:53,040 --> 02:15:55,920
» yes.
>> Commissioner Tyson,

1637
02:15:55,119 --> 02:15:57,840
» yes.
>> Commissioner Ruth,

1638
02:15:57,040 --> 02:15:59,920
» yes.
>> Commissioner Rap,

1639
02:15:58,960 --> 02:16:01,760
» yes.
>> President Gibson,

1640
02:16:01,040 --> 02:16:05,239
» yes.
>> The motion passes.

1641
02:16:07,520 --> 02:16:18,880
» All right.
Now we are moving on to our ordinance

1642
02:16:16,239 --> 02:16:23,840
uh 2026-003
conduct ordinance update.

1643
02:16:21,599 --> 02:16:26,560
Um Shannon, do you want to talk about
this?

1644
02:16:24,320 --> 02:16:28,560
» Can we can we just go back to agenda
item 3.1?

1645
02:16:28,239 --> 02:16:33,840
» Sure.
>> I would like to propose that we um

1646
02:16:32,000 --> 02:16:38,960
postpone discussion of the budget
adjustment until after the discussion.

1647
02:16:36,479 --> 02:16:42,240
» 3.2 to
>> if if the dog beach hasn't closed.

1648
02:16:40,719 --> 02:16:44,559
» Yeah, we don't we don't need it. We
don't need

1649
02:16:42,559 --> 02:16:49,439
» the budget adjustment. It was for a
beach attendant and we've just said that

1650
02:16:47,120 --> 02:16:54,599
we're going to have it open. The beach
will be open for dogs

1651
02:16:54,960 --> 02:17:00,479
» under the centennial specifically. We're
no longer changing centennial.

1652
02:16:58,719 --> 02:17:02,160
» We're not Yeah.
>> But we don't need that.

1653
02:17:01,840 --> 02:17:04,960
» Correct.
>> Correct.

1654
02:17:02,479 --> 02:17:08,880
» Right.
I would reserve the right to go back to

1655
02:17:06,880 --> 02:17:13,359
it after we have our discussion on
>> 3.2.

1656
02:17:09,679 --> 02:17:18,399
» 3.2. Okay. All right.
>> President, I wonder if we might take a

1657
02:17:15,519 --> 02:17:21,679
short break. We we have been going since
4:30.

1658
02:17:19,200 --> 02:17:26,000
» Okay.
>> Would that be all right? Five minutes.

1659
02:17:24,080 --> 02:17:28,800
Just five minutes.
>> Thank you.

1660
02:17:26,399 --> 02:17:32,479
» Do you have a motion to go in recess?
>> I have a motion to go into recess for

1661
02:17:31,359 --> 02:17:35,880
five minutes.
>> Move. Second

1662
02:17:36,160 --> 02:17:41,319
voice
in favor.

1663
02:17:43,280 --> 02:17:47,399
» We're now in recess 647.

1664
02:20:14,479 --> 02:20:23,520
the meeting at 7 uh excuse me at 6 I
>> 649

1665
02:20:20,640 --> 02:20:29,680
» 6:49
>> and um we are now moving on to um excuse

1666
02:20:27,680 --> 02:20:34,800
me we've resumed the meeting all right
thank you uh we're moving on to

1667
02:20:31,920 --> 02:20:42,080
ordinance 2026-00003
conduct ordinance update section 2.03

1668
02:20:38,160 --> 02:20:46,479
Shannon. So this item is the same as
what was brought before the board on the

1669
02:20:44,160 --> 02:20:51,840
25th. There has not been any changes to
the document that's attached to the

1670
02:20:48,479 --> 02:20:58,760
agenda. Uh the board did at their June
25th meeting decide to postpone this

1671
02:20:54,240 --> 02:20:58,760
item for discussion tonight.

1672
02:21:03,200 --> 02:21:11,120
Um,
I would like to open discussion on this

1673
02:21:08,479 --> 02:21:15,720
item.
>> Is there anyone that would like to

1674
02:21:16,960 --> 02:21:23,439
» Why is this on the agenda?
What is the what

1675
02:21:20,960 --> 02:21:29,920
» it would need to be? Well, the the one
item in regards to a um adding the

1676
02:21:27,040 --> 02:21:39,760
wording of I think it's dog friendly
>> dog area um is in order to allow um the

1677
02:21:36,960 --> 02:21:44,399
dogs to be in the basically in the
parking lot of tower because there is a

1678
02:21:41,600 --> 02:21:49,120
dog friendly area down potentially if
the village goes through with the the

1679
02:21:46,640 --> 02:21:53,840
amendment to have their program. So this
is this we would view this as an

1680
02:21:51,280 --> 02:22:01,120
administrative change because the
village they have an off leash dog park

1681
02:21:57,120 --> 02:22:06,080
at tower. We need to make sure that we
designate that those areas affected by

1682
02:22:04,240 --> 02:22:07,200
it as dog ramp.
>> Correct.

1683
02:22:06,560 --> 02:22:13,280
» Got it.
>> And then the other uh addition or change

1684
02:22:10,560 --> 02:22:19,040
is the conversation
uh surrounding uh egress and ingress to

1685
02:22:16,640 --> 02:22:25,439
egress.
to the dog friendly areas. So whether

1686
02:22:22,640 --> 02:22:32,720
that is Centennial or whether that is uh
Tower Road that the access point to come

1687
02:22:28,880 --> 02:22:35,120
in and out of that dog area is the main
entry point

1688
02:22:34,000 --> 02:22:40,000
» of tower
>> of tower or of center.

1689
02:22:37,439 --> 02:22:45,439
» Yes.
>> Just a point of clarification, the

1690
02:22:42,640 --> 02:22:51,280
proposed ordinance in this packet does
not reference tower. No, it it refers

1691
02:22:48,560 --> 02:22:56,160
more generally to other dog friendly
areas designated by signs.

1692
02:22:54,399 --> 02:23:00,600
» Okay.
It provides for a little bit greater

1693
02:22:57,600 --> 02:23:00,600
flexibility.

1694
02:23:04,720 --> 02:23:13,120
» I'm sorry. I go back to the 2022
amendments to the Illinois Animal

1695
02:23:09,920 --> 02:23:18,880
Control Act that define quote dog
friendly area as being an area where

1696
02:23:16,160 --> 02:23:24,800
dogs can run off leash. As I recall,
there are two conditions. One is is

1697
02:23:21,920 --> 02:23:31,120
where you you have a hunter
and and and he is there with his dog on

1698
02:23:27,760 --> 02:23:37,280
on an area that otherwise would require
leashing and the animal is under the

1699
02:23:33,680 --> 02:23:42,720
supervision and control of the owner.
The second would be in a park that is

1700
02:23:40,640 --> 02:23:48,080
designated as dog friendly. To my
knowledge, we did not use nomenclature

1701
02:23:44,880 --> 02:23:53,680
of dog friendly areas. So that this is a
new addition and and I sent out to each

1702
02:23:51,359 --> 02:24:01,040
of the commissioners uh this evening,
this afternoon u a proposal that would

1703
02:23:58,000 --> 02:24:07,760
would further amend this where we would
recognize the right of dogs to run at

1704
02:24:04,640 --> 02:24:14,960
large on on centennial
absent offense based on the concept that

1705
02:24:11,520 --> 02:24:21,520
um the village of is a home rural
municipality and with a proposal that

1706
02:24:17,120 --> 02:24:27,200
they have made for this new uh tower
pilot that we now have appeared to

1707
02:24:24,080 --> 02:24:34,319
embrace that they have recognized the
right of dogs to run off leash in

1708
02:24:30,880 --> 02:24:42,479
certain areas of the village. Um as a
result I have here a proposal where

1709
02:24:37,760 --> 02:24:49,840
where um I would further amend this
particular u ordinance. And so I guess

1710
02:24:45,680 --> 02:24:53,040
I'm going to hand this out to folks.
>> Commissioner R.

1711
02:24:50,720 --> 02:24:58,240
» Yes.
>> It the the village ordinance that was on

1712
02:24:55,600 --> 02:25:02,720
the agenda last night only exercises
their home authority in relation to

1713
02:25:00,240 --> 02:25:06,880
Tower Road. So the only thing that
they're currently

1714
02:25:04,880 --> 02:25:12,240
considering to if you want to call it
that is to use their own little power

1715
02:25:09,840 --> 02:25:18,000
because it leads the tower. And so I
think allowing changing our ordinance to

1716
02:25:15,120 --> 02:25:22,800
allow off these drugs at Centennial
might one day be relevant to the board,

1717
02:25:20,240 --> 02:25:26,479
but it's it's not relevant yet because
the village hasn't chosen to even

1718
02:25:24,800 --> 02:25:29,680
consider exercising their home authority
as it relates to Centennial yet.

1719
02:25:28,160 --> 02:25:33,120
» How do we know that?
>> Because it wasn't on the agenda last

1720
02:25:31,200 --> 02:25:36,160
night. It wasn't on the agenda last
night. And so I'm not suggesting this

1721
02:25:34,800 --> 02:25:40,800
isn't ever going to be relevant. I'm
just suggesting it's premature. But to

1722
02:25:37,920 --> 02:25:46,399
me this conceptually what we have heard
is the village is exercising

1723
02:25:43,200 --> 02:25:52,319
jurisdiction with respect to tower and
what I'm suggesting is that we consider

1724
02:25:48,800 --> 02:25:56,080
a way that we can get dogs off leash
again on Centennial. I'm trying to come

1725
02:25:54,560 --> 02:25:57,920
up with some creative ideas.
>> No, I I I understand what you're trying

1726
02:25:57,600 --> 02:26:02,080
to do
>> and and I also do not like the

1727
02:25:59,760 --> 02:26:07,275
nomenclature dog friendly because it
goes back to the 2022 amendments. It's

1728
02:26:04,800 --> 02:26:09,280
not they're they're not related to
[clears throat]

1729
02:26:07,280 --> 02:26:13,280
» the V the park district has plenary
authority to set rules and regulations

1730
02:26:11,520 --> 02:26:17,120
for property at home control.
>> I understand that.

1731
02:26:14,560 --> 02:26:21,200
» And so
the word designated dog friendly areas

1732
02:26:19,280 --> 02:26:27,760
in this context doesn't contain any
cross reference to the state animal

1733
02:26:23,600 --> 02:26:30,960
control law. It's just the words used to
designate

1734
02:26:29,359 --> 02:26:35,280
areas
within the park system that are

1735
02:26:32,399 --> 02:26:38,399
designated by signs as where dogs are
allowed to go.

1736
02:26:36,080 --> 02:26:43,920
» I guess what I would like to see is that
rather than saying dog friendly that we

1737
02:26:40,720 --> 02:26:50,000
are very clear as to what is on leash
versus off leash. And so I would like if

1738
02:26:47,359 --> 02:26:54,479
if the concern is tower then then
perhaps we need to be very clear about

1739
02:26:52,080 --> 02:27:05,600
what we're we're seeking to do because
it seems to me that um as as I looked at

1740
02:26:58,399 --> 02:27:11,120
at this um we we in March of of 2023
through together an ordinance amendment.

1741
02:27:09,359 --> 02:27:17,439
by the way, it was not in the packet at
the time and um there was no real

1742
02:27:14,800 --> 02:27:21,920
opportunity for for commissioners to
review it before it was presented. It

1743
02:27:19,920 --> 02:27:28,399
was more or less pushed through very
quickly, but it it it rather said that

1744
02:27:26,000 --> 02:27:35,200
uh you you had your on leash areas being
arborite, the woods, Centennial, all

1745
02:27:32,479 --> 02:27:40,319
sand and bluff areas of Centennial Beach
and and that was the real focus here was

1746
02:27:37,200 --> 02:27:45,920
to get get leashes on Centennial Beach,
Brownwoods, Franklin Dumba, Hill Road,

1747
02:27:42,960 --> 02:27:51,120
Merrell Park, uh Burke Memorial Park,
Sheridan Park, Skooki Playfield, Station

1748
02:27:48,560 --> 02:27:57,040
Park, West Elm Park that there is
nothing about tower here. So if our

1749
02:27:54,319 --> 02:28:03,920
concern is tower, I think we need to be
a little more specific and and again u

1750
02:28:00,640 --> 02:28:13,040
my thought is how we are creative to
permit dogs to um run um off leash on on

1751
02:28:09,439 --> 02:28:19,200
Centennial and to be and and the tower
pilot program, but to be on leash in all

1752
02:28:16,479 --> 02:28:24,960
other respects, particularly on table
land. Uh we heard from Mr. Emerson

1753
02:28:22,160 --> 02:28:32,800
tonight, the problem is intended. And so
I I have thrown out um my effort to to

1754
02:28:29,280 --> 02:28:39,040
address that and and to put um
restrictions in for non-complying owners

1755
02:28:36,479 --> 02:28:46,560
and and so I've thrown it on the table
for consideration. Um I am not in favor

1756
02:28:44,800 --> 02:28:52,960
because I don't quite understand what
you're trying to do with this ordinance

1757
02:28:49,439 --> 02:28:52,960
as you have proposed it.

1758
02:28:54,000 --> 02:29:00,800
See,
it strikes me that well, thank you. But

1759
02:28:59,280 --> 02:29:08,880
it strikes me that that wasn't in the
packet either. If in fact something

1760
02:29:03,840 --> 02:29:14,479
wasn't in the packet in 2023. Listen, I
this this was emailed to us. This is

1761
02:29:12,560 --> 02:29:20,399
along [clears throat] with Mr. corally
that getting things insured before the

1762
02:29:17,840 --> 02:29:26,720
board meeting is very difficult to
digest especially a legal document for

1763
02:29:23,520 --> 02:29:31,120
us. So I I would I would I would prefer
if we would focus on

1764
02:29:29,280 --> 02:29:36,960
what is in our packet.
>> We obviously can have later discussions

1765
02:29:33,359 --> 02:29:42,160
on on your amendment, but I think we
should focus on what's in our packet. Is

1766
02:29:39,680 --> 02:29:48,000
that fair?
>> I I also want to say that I think that

1767
02:29:45,120 --> 02:29:54,560
the ordinance that the village has
adopted in order to exercise its home

1768
02:29:51,359 --> 02:30:00,960
rule authority is very limited. It
specifically talks about the 2026 Tower

1769
02:29:58,000 --> 02:30:07,840
Road Beach. So I don't think that
there's any ability to extrapolate from

1770
02:30:03,520 --> 02:30:14,560
that to Centennial. Is that a solution
at a later date? It could be, but it's

1771
02:30:10,960 --> 02:30:18,399
not a solution today.
It may not even be a solution because we

1772
02:30:16,880 --> 02:30:22,560
don't know that the village is even
going to adopt this home rule authority

1773
02:30:20,800 --> 02:30:26,960
with respect to tower. It's not sure
how, you know, I couldn't say how

1774
02:30:23,920 --> 02:30:31,720
they're going to go, but the draft that
we have is very specifically limited.

1775
02:30:32,960 --> 02:30:38,240
» President Gibson, I ask a question.
>> Sure.

1776
02:30:35,200 --> 02:30:45,120
» Okay. So, if I understand, if we adopt
this today and you have a dog owner who

1777
02:30:42,080 --> 02:30:52,319
is using the fob to access Centennial
Beach, then per this language, that dog

1778
02:30:48,240 --> 02:30:57,920
owner must exit Centennial Beach using
the stairs and and through the gate.

1779
02:30:56,560 --> 02:31:05,359
» Yes.
Then if that that I I view dogs as

1780
02:31:01,680 --> 02:31:11,840
personal property and and you know and
if that dog owner decides to lease that

1781
02:31:08,640 --> 02:31:15,600
dog and that dog owner decides that they
want to take that dog along the high

1782
02:31:14,319 --> 02:31:18,560
water mark
>> in accordance with the public trust

1783
02:31:17,600 --> 02:31:23,600
doctrine,
>> they would be in violation of this

1784
02:31:20,399 --> 02:31:30,240
ordinance and they could have their fog
and access of that dog to Centennial be

1785
02:31:27,280 --> 02:31:36,720
revoked. Is that correct?
I I'm less concerned personally with

1786
02:31:34,880 --> 02:31:41,040
someone I mean I don't want a dog
walking along elder when there are

1787
02:31:39,200 --> 02:31:44,800
swimmers and little children playing in
the sand. I just even if it's leashed

1788
02:31:43,200 --> 02:31:49,200
whether or not that's a right under the
public trust doctrine, I'm not

1789
02:31:46,560 --> 02:31:53,840
personally willing to opine on that. But
what I think is not acceptable is that

1790
02:31:51,760 --> 02:31:57,359
someone thinks that they can that they,
you know, they park their car up at

1791
02:31:55,280 --> 02:32:02,160
Elder and they want to walk up the
stairs at Elder or walk up the little

1792
02:31:59,600 --> 02:32:07,359
road at Elder. That's not okay. We
cannot have dogs in the playground.

1793
02:32:05,600 --> 02:32:14,800
» Oh, and I have no problem with that. I
agree with you. Dogs should be on leash

1794
02:32:10,720 --> 02:32:20,479
but for areas where we expressly say
that they may be off leash. And so if

1795
02:32:18,080 --> 02:32:25,520
the focus here is tower and the pilot
program, then let's be clear about that.

1796
02:32:23,040 --> 02:32:32,000
Let's put that let's revise this this
ordinance to say that. If the focus if

1797
02:32:28,960 --> 02:32:37,840
you're trying to say though that someone
coming down who was authorized with the

1798
02:32:34,479 --> 02:32:43,840
dog beach pass to go through the gate to
walk onto Centennial Beach, they leashed

1799
02:32:40,880 --> 02:32:47,840
that dog and they are on the high water
mark. They have everything.

1800
02:32:46,000 --> 02:32:54,160
» I'm not I'm not talking about the high
water mark. I'm talking about even even

1801
02:32:50,560 --> 02:32:58,560
a leashed dog going through the
playground at Elder is not acceptable.

1802
02:32:57,200 --> 02:33:03,600
It's a no dog park anymore.
>> I I agree that that a leash dog cannot

1803
02:33:01,359 --> 02:33:10,080
be going through the playground. But if
a leash dog has its paws wet and it is

1804
02:33:07,600 --> 02:33:16,479
walking along the high water mark with
its owner,

1805
02:33:13,439 --> 02:33:20,479
» this ordinance does not address the
public trust doctrine. It simply says as

1806
02:33:18,880 --> 02:33:25,120
a condition of having the privilege of
receiving a fob from the park district

1807
02:33:22,319 --> 02:33:27,359
to use Centennial dog park. One of the
conditions of use is that

1808
02:33:26,131 --> 02:33:31,120
[clears throat] you must enter and exit
through the point of entry. That's the

1809
02:33:29,600 --> 02:33:36,000
rule as a condition of having the
privilege of having a bomb. You thereby

1810
02:33:33,359 --> 02:33:40,560
restricting then the right of that owner
to take that dog on a leash and

1811
02:33:38,880 --> 02:33:43,840
» they can access the other parts of the
beach by entering it from another

1812
02:33:42,560 --> 02:33:47,200
direction or from another point of
entry. But [clears throat] as a

1813
02:33:45,200 --> 02:33:51,840
condition of using the Weta Park
District on leash dog beach at

1814
02:33:49,680 --> 02:33:54,880
Centennial, one of the conditions of
getting the FOB would be to enter and

1815
02:33:53,359 --> 02:33:59,680
exit through the point of entry
>> so that they don't go on the southern

1816
02:33:57,120 --> 02:34:02,240
neighbors uh public beach
>> so they don't take their dog to Elder.

1817
02:34:01,840 --> 02:34:07,439
Yeah.
>> Well, but but our isn't our real focus

1818
02:34:04,960 --> 02:34:13,439
with this. So, they don't go on the
southern neighbor beach as as one of our

1819
02:34:11,600 --> 02:34:18,800
residents did.
>> Uh, and before you call the question,

1820
02:34:16,080 --> 02:34:25,200
let me just finish my motion
>> and who was exonerated because the dog

1821
02:34:22,399 --> 02:34:27,840
and the owner were on the water.
>> I didn't hear you.

1822
02:34:26,319 --> 02:34:32,760
» I move to call the question. I
>> I've not had my three minutes. Okay.

1823
02:34:29,760 --> 02:34:32,760
doesn't

1824
02:34:34,160 --> 02:34:40,960
» I I have I have comments on a different
>> No one No one seconded it.

1825
02:34:38,880 --> 02:34:44,640
» Okay, unless someone wants to motion to
call the questions.

1826
02:34:42,720 --> 02:34:49,680
» Anybody want to second it?
>> I I would like to second it after once

1827
02:34:46,880 --> 02:34:57,280
had a chance to
>> Okay. I um reviewed the original conduct

1828
02:34:54,960 --> 02:35:01,200
ordinance 504
and I observed that that conduct

1829
02:34:59,280 --> 02:35:06,720
ordinance did not include the scope of
play fields with the March 2023 change

1830
02:35:05,120 --> 02:35:13,359
that was not published in our packet
ahead of time that we did not review.

1831
02:35:09,840 --> 02:35:18,160
I observed that the Skoi playfield had
been slipped in

1832
02:35:15,680 --> 02:35:23,040
in that change when we adopted ordinance
596. It is unclear to me why that

1833
02:35:21,200 --> 02:35:27,600
happened and so I wanted to put out for
discussion um should the Skooki play

1834
02:35:25,439 --> 02:35:32,479
fields because there is a playground
because it is a hightraic area because

1835
02:35:29,840 --> 02:35:36,399
we have invested 1.4 million in brand
new turf that we do not want dogs going

1836
02:35:34,720 --> 02:35:41,200
to the bathroom on people not cleaning
up 100%. Perhaps we might want to

1837
02:35:39,200 --> 02:35:44,800
consider removing that
>> as a

1838
02:35:41,920 --> 02:35:48,640
» as a place as a designated dog friendly
area.

1839
02:35:45,359 --> 02:35:51,680
» It is. I don't know. I that Yeah,
>> you might you might have to get more

1840
02:35:50,399 --> 02:35:54,960
specific on that.
>> I would like to remove it for section

1841
02:35:54,000 --> 02:36:01,120
two.
>> Well, here's here's the thing though.

1842
02:35:58,399 --> 02:36:06,319
unintended consequence of removing that
since you brought it up

1843
02:36:03,600 --> 02:36:11,280
um is that
there there could be families watching a

1844
02:36:09,600 --> 02:36:19,600
I don't know flag football game or any
sport. You have the you have the um

1845
02:36:15,439 --> 02:36:24,720
the stands on the east side here.
Families sometimes bring their dog to

1846
02:36:21,520 --> 02:36:30,640
that edge. They don't really go into
Skoi Playfield. So I I just

1847
02:36:27,359 --> 02:36:36,319
» So maybe we need to put parentheses on
if they're permitted on the eastern edge

1848
02:36:33,600 --> 02:36:40,000
of the scopy playfield, but this the way
it's written means that you can be

1849
02:36:38,399 --> 02:36:43,040
anywhere with your dog on leash. Your
dog could be out in the turf

1850
02:36:41,920 --> 02:36:48,720
» on leash. We've seen it
>> or we could restrict it to say Skoi

1851
02:36:45,600 --> 02:36:53,760
Playfield excluding the turf. I I just
feel like it was not in here. It was not

1852
02:36:51,840 --> 02:36:59,520
discussed when this amendment was
slipped in in March of 2023 and it's

1853
02:36:56,479 --> 02:37:03,600
like a major area to have have.
>> All right. So, this is a whole separate

1854
02:37:01,520 --> 02:37:09,399
piece. Am I correct?
>> No, it's it's the ordinance that we're

1855
02:37:05,200 --> 02:37:09,399
discussing right now.

1856
02:37:10,240 --> 02:37:16,960
» I'm not in disagreement with it. You
know, that's my bugaboo. The seeing dogs

1857
02:37:14,479 --> 02:37:20,560
on that turf field and how people can
properly pick up after them. They you

1858
02:37:18,880 --> 02:37:24,640
can't. So, you know, I'm not in
disagreement with it. I'm just trying to

1859
02:37:22,080 --> 02:37:28,560
piece out how we do this.
>> Um,

1860
02:37:25,760 --> 02:37:32,800
» well, that's very easy.
>> Motion to table or two.

1861
02:37:30,720 --> 02:37:39,120
» No. No.
>> Well, I would like to make a motion to

1862
02:37:34,319 --> 02:37:44,399
amend this to um clearly identify that
the Scopy playfield does not include

1863
02:37:41,120 --> 02:37:48,319
dogs on leash on the turf.
>> I haven't read it. I feel uncomfortable

1864
02:37:46,399 --> 02:37:53,960
doing that without having you know
regretted but

1865
02:37:49,439 --> 02:37:53,960
» exactly how we felt when

1866
02:37:55,120 --> 02:38:01,920
» as a concept I agree with it
wholeheartedly.

1867
02:37:59,520 --> 02:38:10,479
Is there I will second your motion to
amend and I would like to further um

1868
02:38:06,160 --> 02:38:17,600
amend to include
the following language under section two

1869
02:38:14,319 --> 02:38:26,000
of the third paragraph that has all of
the uh place underlined

1870
02:38:21,520 --> 02:38:32,319
language. In the 10 ultimate sentence
after the designated point of ingress

1871
02:38:29,280 --> 02:38:40,080
and depress to add the following unless
the dog is on leash and the dog and dog

1872
02:38:35,520 --> 02:38:43,080
owner are walking the public high water
mark.

1873
02:38:46,160 --> 02:38:53,359
» We can only do one at a time.
>> I just a question about that.

1874
02:38:50,240 --> 02:38:57,359
» Sure. So I I I don't you know I my
understanding after many discussions

1875
02:38:55,520 --> 02:39:02,160
with the public high water mark is we
don't have any authority to restrict or

1876
02:39:00,160 --> 02:39:07,040
enable anything on that. So if somebody
walks out of the public high water

1877
02:39:03,840 --> 02:39:13,680
Walmart and they walk to Wisconsin um
then so be it. They didn't egress out of

1878
02:39:10,800 --> 02:39:18,479
a park district egress that that we
didn't approve. If they walk along the

1879
02:39:16,080 --> 02:39:21,920
part of the public high water mark and
then they leave through an elder

1880
02:39:20,160 --> 02:39:26,640
stairway, then they're in violation of
rule. So like it seems it's already kind

1881
02:39:24,240 --> 02:39:31,120
of covered. If
you know if we can't restrict what

1882
02:39:28,560 --> 02:39:35,520
happens in that public high water mark
area, then it's kind of

1883
02:39:32,960 --> 02:39:39,200
» So I want to clarify, we are not
restricting where they go with their

1884
02:39:37,200 --> 02:39:43,680
dog. What we are restricting is whether
they get a foul from the park district.

1885
02:39:40,800 --> 02:39:48,960
» Correct. By default, you're taking the
that that right away. If someone goes

1886
02:39:46,960 --> 02:39:54,000
down Centennial,
leashes their dog, and starts walking,

1887
02:39:51,600 --> 02:40:00,399
you're saying they are in violation and
that is why I am suggesting this

1888
02:39:57,359 --> 02:40:03,120
mandatory language. Is there a second to
>> We can only do one motion. We can only

1889
02:40:01,760 --> 02:40:08,680
do one amendment at a time.
>> Okay. Then then I will hold my

1890
02:40:10,560 --> 02:40:18,720
Cynthia, can you I haven't seen the
language that you found. I have the Here

1891
02:40:16,800 --> 02:40:23,680
it is.
>> Here it is.

1892
02:40:21,680 --> 02:40:27,359
» I said conceptually I agree. It's just
that, you know, it's hard to something

1893
02:40:25,520 --> 02:40:37,359
that you're not looking at.
>> Okay. This was uh quickly currently uh

1894
02:40:32,560 --> 02:40:42,800
pushed through on March uh 23rd, 2023.
The amendment was not in our packet and

1895
02:40:40,399 --> 02:40:45,680
you will see that it adds Skoi. So here
it is.

1896
02:40:43,200 --> 02:40:49,479
» Do do you want the 504 original? It's on
our website under

1897
02:40:49,600 --> 02:40:57,439
» that is correct. I I I don't know why
>> what you described is that it was not in

1898
02:40:54,240 --> 02:41:00,640
504 and it is in 596. That is correct. I
don't have any idea what the motivation

1899
02:40:58,960 --> 02:41:05,280
was, but that is an accurate statement.
>> All right. So, so what you're what you

1900
02:41:03,120 --> 02:41:14,080
are making a motion for is to remove
Spoky Playfield under section 203

1901
02:41:09,439 --> 02:41:21,200
to remove it as um
where domesticated dogs are permitted

1902
02:41:16,319 --> 02:41:25,920
other than the the the portion of stands
that runs east of the fence. Is that

1903
02:41:24,560 --> 02:41:30,560
correct?
>> Otherwise known as the side sidewalk.

1904
02:41:27,840 --> 02:41:33,280
» Yeah. I [laughter] mean like you want
people to be able to sit in the stands,

1905
02:41:31,920 --> 02:41:35,840
right? Their stands.
>> Yeah. Yeah.

1906
02:41:34,560 --> 02:41:39,120
» Okay.
>> I'm flexible if there's more consensus

1907
02:41:37,600 --> 02:41:44,640
to keep them off the turf.
>> So, commissioners, can I ask for a point

1908
02:41:41,280 --> 02:41:48,640
of clarification? Skooki playfield is
considered this entire campus.

1909
02:41:48,000 --> 02:41:55,680
» Okay.
>> So, while it does not say that in the

1910
02:41:51,920 --> 02:42:00,240
ordinance um itself, that that's what it
is. That is what's considered the Skoi

1911
02:41:58,720 --> 02:42:04,720
Playfield campus. That's what we're
doing a master plan for right now.

1912
02:42:02,000 --> 02:42:09,280
» Skookiest,
>> right? So I I mean

1913
02:42:07,760 --> 02:42:15,040
again, this is something that is just
being brought up tonight.

1914
02:42:11,439 --> 02:42:20,960
And from a perspective of what the
village is even going to do on the other

1915
02:42:17,040 --> 02:42:24,319
things in regards to tower uh I don't
know that we could approve something

1916
02:42:22,640 --> 02:42:31,760
right now anyway because we don't know
what the village is going to do and it

1917
02:42:27,439 --> 02:42:36,319
is also potentially premature to allow
dogs at tower if the village hasn't

1918
02:42:34,640 --> 02:42:41,280
approved their pilot program. You were
saying just table the whole word.

1919
02:42:37,680 --> 02:42:46,960
» I would say potentially postpone it to
be able to look at

1920
02:42:44,720 --> 02:42:52,240
what those things that the board wants
to look at cuz we all know that

1921
02:42:48,960 --> 02:42:54,240
ordinance 504 in total
needs work.

1922
02:42:53,359 --> 02:42:58,560
» Yes.
>> So that's been something that has been

1923
02:42:56,640 --> 02:43:02,319
on the list to look at,
>> but we also have a lot of other things

1924
02:43:00,240 --> 02:43:06,319
on our list that we're we're working on.
So, if we're piece piecing something

1925
02:43:04,399 --> 02:43:11,120
together that's more than just the one
specific thing, um staff would

1926
02:43:09,280 --> 02:43:13,760
appreciate more clarification.
>> Okay.

1927
02:43:12,000 --> 02:43:21,280
» I think that's a
>> plan. I'd like to make a motion to

1928
02:43:16,240 --> 02:43:28,080
postpone the discussion of ordinance 5,
park district ordinance 504

1929
02:43:24,240 --> 02:43:33,280
to our July, what's the date of our July
meeting?

1930
02:43:29,760 --> 02:43:37,200
» 23rd. the July 23rd park district
meeting.

1931
02:43:35,439 --> 02:43:41,359
» So moved.
>> Second.

1932
02:43:39,120 --> 02:43:44,319
» Okay, that's roll call follow.
>> Commissioner Tyson,

1933
02:43:42,960 --> 02:43:45,920
» yes.
>> Commissioner Rat,

1934
02:43:45,279 --> 02:43:47,760
» yes.
>> Commissioner Corley,

1935
02:43:47,040 --> 02:43:49,439
» yes.
>> Commissioner Cotto,

1936
02:43:48,880 --> 02:43:50,960
» yes.
>> Commissioner Ruth,

1937
02:43:50,399 --> 02:43:52,800
» yes.
>> Commissioner Seaman,

1938
02:43:52,319 --> 02:43:54,160
» yes.
>> President Gibson,

1939
02:43:53,840 --> 02:43:57,800
» yes.
>> The motion pass.

1940
02:44:01,359 --> 02:44:07,720
Um, so, uh, I would like to

1941
02:44:08,000 --> 02:44:16,000
» Could you could you, um, do a brief, uh,
summary of of what we've done today for

1942
02:44:12,880 --> 02:44:24,000
the anybody who might be still watching?
>> All right. We adopted the version of the

1943
02:44:20,720 --> 02:44:32,960
amendment the to the lease that the
village had attached to its agenda.

1944
02:44:28,080 --> 02:44:38,720
meeting last night. We have um
uh adopted that change to the lease

1945
02:44:36,080 --> 02:44:45,760
subject to the village
um changing its ordinance regarding

1946
02:44:42,800 --> 02:44:52,960
Centennial Beach such that dogs can
continue to be on Centennial Beach.

1947
02:44:48,880 --> 02:45:00,160
Um, we have, I think, entertained
numerous different concerns regarding

1948
02:44:56,800 --> 02:45:06,319
ordinance by park district ordinance 504
and we will be returning to our meeting

1949
02:45:02,479 --> 02:45:10,399
in on July 23rd to further discuss that
ordinance.

1950
02:45:08,240 --> 02:45:14,240
» So, we've supported Centennial Beach. In
fact, we're insisting on Centennial

1951
02:45:12,319 --> 02:45:20,000
Beach taking over. Yes,
>> we're supporting the pilot program on

1952
02:45:17,520 --> 02:45:25,359
Tower Beach for for dogs.
>> Um, okay. Thank you.

1953
02:45:22,640 --> 02:45:31,279
» Do do we need anything official?
Um, meaning a vote, a motion

1954
02:45:29,040 --> 02:45:36,960
to um
offer

1955
02:45:33,200 --> 02:45:45,120
to the trustees
um on a shared

1956
02:45:40,800 --> 02:45:49,279
um study session or is that that could
be part of your normal

1957
02:45:47,600 --> 02:45:56,319
» discussion with President
>> or your with Kristen? We can we can ask

1958
02:45:53,840 --> 02:46:00,479
see that to see if that's of interest.
>> Yeah. Okay. Although I think it'd be

1959
02:45:58,640 --> 02:46:06,720
nice to get it on record that we're
requesting.

1960
02:46:01,760 --> 02:46:09,680
» Okay. May I have a motion to uh direct
Oh, sorry.

1961
02:46:07,520 --> 02:46:11,680
» Wait, time out.
>> This is a special meeting.

1962
02:46:11,200 --> 02:46:13,279
» Oh, okay.
>> So, we can only discuss things that are

1963
02:46:13,040 --> 02:46:16,880
on
>> that were on the agenda. Okay.

1964
02:46:15,600 --> 02:46:18,080
» You guys have expressed clearly what
your interest is.

1965
02:46:17,600 --> 02:46:20,399
» Okay.
>> So, administratively, I'm sure we can

1966
02:46:19,680 --> 02:46:26,160
follow up.
>> Great. And then secondly, I believe we

1967
02:46:22,880 --> 02:46:35,920
also discussed uh about uh discussions
with rangers to maybe have them be less

1968
02:46:31,680 --> 02:46:41,680
what's the word I want uh rigorous in
their interface with our our dog beach

1969
02:46:39,840 --> 02:46:46,319
on Centennial.
uh because uh feedback that I also

1970
02:46:44,160 --> 02:46:53,600
received was they were telling people
over the weekend that effective July 1,

1971
02:46:50,160 --> 02:46:59,520
the Centennial Dog Beach would close.
So, we're getting a lot of feedback and

1972
02:46:56,640 --> 02:47:05,120
I know our people are working very hard
to try to do a good job, but it's it's

1973
02:47:02,560 --> 02:47:08,960
how we how we interface.
>> So, I will follow up on that. Um, I have

1974
02:47:07,120 --> 02:47:14,160
not been aware of any staff that have
been telling the public incorrect

1975
02:47:10,560 --> 02:47:18,560
information about a closure of the the
facility. Um, but we will double check

1976
02:47:16,080 --> 02:47:23,240
on that. And um, but I would ask for
clarification on the definition of

1977
02:47:20,240 --> 02:47:23,240
rigorous.

1978
02:47:26,479 --> 02:47:35,840
My definition of rigorous is where you
are being punitive and and some some uh

1979
02:47:33,680 --> 02:47:38,720
community members have come back and
said they feel like they're being

1980
02:47:37,200 --> 02:47:45,120
harassed
and um so and that's that's an

1981
02:47:42,160 --> 02:47:49,359
individual perception. If someone's told
that they shouldn't do something, they

1982
02:47:46,800 --> 02:47:55,520
often feel like they're being harassed.
It just depends on individual

1983
02:47:51,279 --> 02:48:00,560
perception. But I received repeated um
um communications from residents that

1984
02:47:58,319 --> 02:48:06,160
over the weekend that they were being
told that uh the dog beach would close

1985
02:48:04,880 --> 02:48:08,479
affect
>> and like I mentioned and we will check

1986
02:48:07,359 --> 02:48:10,399
into that. Absolutely.
>> Thank you for that.

1987
02:48:09,120 --> 02:48:16,640
» Yeah, of course.
>> Um I will say um that we've also

1988
02:48:14,319 --> 02:48:22,080
received a lot of compliments on the
rangers. So they are being effective in

1989
02:48:20,000 --> 02:48:25,600
terms of clearing beaches that night and
so forth.

1990
02:48:23,760 --> 02:48:29,200
It's a new program. There's some
training. There has been training done.

1991
02:48:27,439 --> 02:48:33,920
There's maybe some more training to be
done. Um I think that most of them are

1992
02:48:32,000 --> 02:48:40,960
most likely very respectful, but they
are being asked to remind dog beach

1993
02:48:36,640 --> 02:48:46,960
users that the current rule is on leash.
All right. So I would like to ask any

1994
02:48:44,640 --> 02:48:53,120
commissioners if they have any comment
during the commissioner comment period.

1995
02:48:50,479 --> 02:48:58,960
Commissioner W.
Um the only thing that I would say is

1996
02:48:56,160 --> 02:49:07,200
that you know we have a lot of energy
around off leash use and you know a few

1997
02:49:02,479 --> 02:49:14,479
years back there was an interest um to
put an off leash dog park on the west

1998
02:49:10,960 --> 02:49:18,240
side of town and I know that our
um village negotiation of an

1999
02:49:16,319 --> 02:49:22,800
intergovernmental agreement related to
lakefront and dog park issues and dog

2000
02:49:20,560 --> 02:49:28,399
park issues. But I do think now, you
know, um would be a good time to at

2001
02:49:25,200 --> 02:49:33,600
least get a temperature check on, you
know, the storm water project is

2002
02:49:30,399 --> 02:49:36,960
complete. Is that still of interest? Is
this still feasible? Because I do think

2003
02:49:35,200 --> 02:49:42,560
that would be viewed positively to have
another off leash area. And that was

2004
02:49:39,840 --> 02:49:47,760
identified as a site that was
generally accepted and not

2005
02:49:44,880 --> 02:49:53,920
» which which was that
over there. Okay. Yeah.

2006
02:49:50,399 --> 02:49:57,680
» No, actually not the top of the mid. I
think it' be good to

2007
02:49:56,479 --> 02:50:03,200
» Okay.
>> Any other commissioner comment?

2008
02:50:01,439 --> 02:50:08,240
We'll just go a little longer, too.
>> Um

2009
02:50:05,439 --> 02:50:13,760
I would like for all of us to have a
fence at Centennial or a barrier of some

2010
02:50:11,279 --> 02:50:19,520
type. So, I'm boldly asking for a
barrier permit. Um, I don't want to

2011
02:50:16,640 --> 02:50:25,040
speculate or float conspiracy theories.
I want us all to work together for that

2012
02:50:22,240 --> 02:50:30,160
same goal because I think it good fences
make good neighbors and I think that's

2013
02:50:26,800 --> 02:50:34,640
the way we should run Centennial Ald.
Um,

2014
02:50:31,840 --> 02:50:39,840
the village was definitely swayed by the
number of people that came yesterday. By

2015
02:50:36,800 --> 02:50:46,560
my count, they were about 65 people.
They were definitely swayed. Um if the

2016
02:50:43,680 --> 02:50:51,760
that same group of 65 people had come to
the May 19th hearing wherein the

2017
02:50:48,960 --> 02:50:56,640
trustees decided or each of the advisory
committee hearings we might have had a

2018
02:50:54,880 --> 02:51:07,120
different outcome because the village
definitely responds to calls, letters

2019
02:51:01,439 --> 02:51:13,200
and physical presence. So I think their
um desire is to understand how many

2020
02:51:10,000 --> 02:51:19,960
people really want um a fence permit at
Centennial and I think that would help

2021
02:51:15,600 --> 02:51:19,960
us advance this cause.

2022
02:51:21,040 --> 02:51:29,359
» Well, I think the devil's in the detail
with fencing. Um many people viewed our

2023
02:51:26,240 --> 02:51:35,200
our proposals as being a pen rather than
a fence and you've heard tonight from um

2024
02:51:32,960 --> 02:51:41,840
particularly Linda Welch where she
talked about her experiences at Montre

2025
02:51:37,840 --> 02:51:48,880
in Chicago and as well as Wilson Beach
where it is not a totally

2026
02:51:44,880 --> 02:51:55,760
what Susie Shriber has described as a
cold war east firmland beach that had

2027
02:51:53,200 --> 02:52:02,880
barb wire fencing and and I say that in
justest. Um what what I would like to

2028
02:51:59,200 --> 02:52:09,840
see is us addressing the claims we've
had for discrimination with respect to

2029
02:52:05,920 --> 02:52:15,680
the access to Centennial Beach. Quite
frankly, I agree with Commissioner Rap.

2030
02:52:12,240 --> 02:52:20,000
I would like to see Centennial open to
everyone that cares to use it. my

2031
02:52:18,240 --> 02:52:24,640
proposal this evening that I know I
handed out late hours because I was

2032
02:52:21,680 --> 02:52:32,720
working on it [laughter] as as soon as I
could was uh to to offer any uh one who

2033
02:52:29,840 --> 02:52:40,640
gets a seasoned beach pass the right at
the time they do that to have a fob even

2034
02:52:37,520 --> 02:52:46,479
if they don't have a dog so that they
have the opportunity to to go on to

2035
02:52:43,760 --> 02:52:53,120
Centennial and certainly to recover
administrative costs I don't know what

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02:52:48,160 --> 02:52:58,479
it costs for for the fog or or the the
authorization to make fog work. Um, at

2037
02:52:56,399 --> 02:53:04,000
the same time, I recognize there needs
to be a different path for those who

2038
02:53:01,439 --> 02:53:11,760
wish to take their dog on. And I am not
suggesting that we would uh reduce um

2039
02:53:08,000 --> 02:53:17,359
our our our police oversight of that in
any fashion. In fact, u my language

2040
02:53:14,240 --> 02:53:23,840
makes it much stricter so that if you
have a dog that is running off leash on

2041
02:53:20,160 --> 02:53:30,800
the table land of of of Centennial that
that that individual could le would lose

2042
02:53:27,760 --> 02:53:36,160
the right of that dog to to access
parks. that I'm not just limiting it to

2043
02:53:33,200 --> 02:53:41,040
Centennial, but um again, I'd like to
see everyone have the opportunity to to

2044
02:53:39,359 --> 02:53:46,800
access
Centennial Beach. It's beautiful.

2045
02:53:42,880 --> 02:53:51,359
Everyone should have that, right?
So, I'd ask for your consideration until

2046
02:53:49,359 --> 02:53:56,479
our next meeting of some of the language
that I put in what I just handed out to

2047
02:53:54,560 --> 02:54:00,880
you.
>> Are you yielding your 35 seconds to me?

2048
02:53:59,510 --> 02:54:02,720
[laughter]
Just kidding.

2049
02:54:01,760 --> 02:54:11,760
» Um,
>> listen. I I

2050
02:54:05,600 --> 02:54:15,080
comments by Rap Cotto, Root, myself,
others tonight

2051
02:54:15,600 --> 02:54:23,040
absolutely
fit with

2052
02:54:20,000 --> 02:54:28,720
sitting down with the village in a
manner that we can come to a solution. I

2053
02:54:26,399 --> 02:54:33,120
know we can do it. the process that we
had. We elected to do this process by

2054
02:54:30,560 --> 02:54:39,040
the way. We elected to go through this
permitting process.

2055
02:54:35,439 --> 02:54:45,359
It does not fit the intricacies
of the very broad

2056
02:54:42,319 --> 02:54:48,640
diverse demand of the community.
I want to sit down and I'm sure the

2057
02:54:47,040 --> 02:54:54,000
village
they're tired of this. We're tired of

2058
02:54:50,479 --> 02:55:01,120
it. I I just we need to sit down and
negotiate respectfully exchange along

2059
02:54:57,520 --> 02:55:06,640
with members of the community of course
a very workable solution. It can

2060
02:55:04,319 --> 02:55:10,640
absolutely be done. I know it can be
done.

2061
02:55:08,160 --> 02:55:15,240
Um
but I I go back to my first question.

2062
02:55:16,319 --> 02:55:25,680
If stansions create a legal dog beach,
why didn't the village just say put

2063
02:55:22,640 --> 02:55:30,960
stansions up at Centennial under? Why
didn't they do that? [clears throat] I

2064
02:55:27,359 --> 02:55:35,120
don't know. I guess perhaps I have 1
minute 32 seconds. It is quote unquote

2065
02:55:33,439 --> 02:55:40,479
common knowledge in the community that
Ishpped a lawsuit to pretty much

2066
02:55:37,920 --> 02:55:45,040
everybody. I don't know that. But
apparently during the public comment, I

2067
02:55:42,880 --> 02:55:50,399
don't know if that's having impact, but
I want to find a solution

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02:55:47,520 --> 02:55:56,160
that creates a barrier that allows
whatever that is

2069
02:55:53,520 --> 02:56:00,319
and allows for dogs to run off leash.
That's Centennial. And respecting

2070
02:55:58,640 --> 02:56:07,040
obviously Mr. Edwardson's comments
tonight that events do happen. So,

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02:56:06,160 --> 02:56:10,160
thank you.
>> Thank you.

2072
02:56:13,680 --> 02:56:20,160
I appreciated
Commissioner Root's comments earlier

2073
02:56:17,359 --> 02:56:25,040
about home rule
and although council clarified that we

2074
02:56:22,880 --> 02:56:31,680
cannot extrapolate what the village
intended at this point. I think it's

2075
02:56:28,960 --> 02:56:35,680
still something worth discussing. I
think I don't know what the correct

2076
02:56:33,279 --> 02:56:41,359
expression is, but let's just the cats
out of the bag. home rule has been

2077
02:56:37,680 --> 02:56:45,439
intruded into the ether and to the
community. It'd be nice if we could

2078
02:56:43,600 --> 02:56:51,399
continue discussions around that, how it
applies to other areas within the

2079
02:56:48,399 --> 02:56:51,399
village.

2080
02:56:51,520 --> 02:56:59,359
Um,
I regardless of what other dog parks do,

2081
02:56:56,800 --> 02:57:04,640
I believe we should have a a fence
whether the dog park is at tower or

2082
02:57:01,359 --> 02:57:09,840
centennial or both for the protection of
the people in the park, the pets in the

2083
02:57:06,880 --> 02:57:19,760
park and the people outside the the dog
park. Um it's really it's it's just uh

2084
02:57:14,880 --> 02:57:25,359
very common sense um that it you know if
dogs are are enclosed it's it's safer.

2085
02:57:23,200 --> 02:57:31,120
Most well pretty much every dog park
I've been to has the the two gate entry

2086
02:57:27,439 --> 02:57:35,760
way. Um when I try to go to a dog park
and I'm not allowed to because the

2087
02:57:32,560 --> 02:57:39,120
community requires me to register and I
can't get through the fence unless I've

2088
02:57:37,279 --> 02:57:47,680
proven the health of my dog. I think
well that's a responsible community. Um

2089
02:57:43,359 --> 02:57:55,840
the characterization of offense as a
World War II barbed wire cage I think is

2090
02:57:52,640 --> 02:58:01,680
not helpful. Um that puts an image in
people's heads that we're building some

2091
02:57:58,960 --> 02:58:06,319
monstrosity. If you look at the Lakota
plan that you handed out, it has the

2092
02:58:03,920 --> 02:58:12,160
same type of fencing, same brand, same
color, same vinyl coating. And that's

2093
02:58:10,479 --> 02:58:16,640
what if if we want [clears throat] a dog
beach at tower, we should implement that

2094
02:58:14,399 --> 02:58:23,920
plan as a fence. It goes out into the
water, connects to a to a a breakwater,

2095
02:58:19,840 --> 02:58:28,160
and keeps dogs from leaving
it. You know, like there's examples of

2096
02:58:26,319 --> 02:58:31,840
good and bad dog parks and all sorts of
arrangements.

2097
02:58:30,160 --> 02:58:36,319
I
believe any [clears throat] dog off

2098
02:58:33,840 --> 02:58:42,399
leash park we have should have an
enclosure and that means open on the the

2099
02:58:40,399 --> 02:58:47,520
lakeside. You can swim all the way to
Michigan if you want, but

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02:58:44,800 --> 02:58:56,479
fences that can
um believably uh keep the dogs

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02:58:52,800 --> 02:59:01,120
uh off where they are off off leash.
That's what I think.

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02:58:59,359 --> 02:59:06,319
» I'm actually not going to get
Commissioner P.

2103
02:59:03,600 --> 02:59:11,760
» So, at this time,
I would like to have a motion to adjourn

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02:59:08,399 --> 02:59:14,760
the meeting at 7:30.
second.