1 00:00:35,399 --> 00:00:39,540 to screw up okay 2 00:00:40,860 --> 00:00:46,340 I'll call the meeting yeah we can go live Jody 3 00:00:55,640 --> 00:01:05,940 good okay I'll call the regular meeting of council 4 00:00:59,820 --> 00:01:05,940 to order six o'clock December 21st 2022. 5 00:01:06,780 --> 00:01:14,760 be it resolved that the agenda for the December 21st 2022 regular meeting 6 00:01:11,700 --> 00:01:19,740 accounts will be approved can I get a mover please 7 00:01:17,100 --> 00:01:23,840 Castor Jarvis you get a secondary please count the 8 00:01:21,540 --> 00:01:23,840 Gendron 9 00:01:23,939 --> 00:01:32,280 all in favor carried 10 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:36,979 be it hereby resolve that the following minutes be approved as circulated 11 00:01:34,140 --> 00:01:44,060 November 18 2022 special meeting November 24th 2022's regular meeting 12 00:01:40,759 --> 00:01:50,220 December 7th 2022 special meeting December 9th 2022 special meeting 13 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:55,880 foreign can I get a mover please 14 00:01:52,860 --> 00:01:55,880 Mr Kozlowski 15 00:01:57,000 --> 00:02:01,100 a secondary please answer Gendron 16 00:02:01,979 --> 00:02:07,860 Anybody Everybody had a chance to review the minutes 17 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:10,340 all in favor Gary 18 00:02:14,340 --> 00:02:22,020 be it resolved that Council established the following portfolio on committee 19 00:02:18,420 --> 00:02:25,280 appointments I need a mover please that's a Jervis 20 00:02:25,980 --> 00:02:30,260 secondary please cool 21 00:02:31,980 --> 00:02:38,879 okay this is just for discussion at this point we had 22 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:44,040 talked about changing the appointments once we had our fifth counselor on and 23 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:49,019 counselor Kozlowski has joined us it's great and we both have we have both 24 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:54,060 the internal committees the portfolios as well as the external committees 25 00:02:53,519 --> 00:02:58,160 um and I know that there's a couple of 26 00:02:55,739 --> 00:03:03,599 changes in the external committee's right now the East Interlake planning 27 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:09,480 district that I've been sitting on um has have asked for a second counselor 28 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:09,480 not 29 00:03:09,540 --> 00:03:17,879 um not in case I can't make it but in fact 30 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:23,640 they want two counselors from each RM or municipality at the meeting 31 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:27,120 and so I've asked councilor General and if she wanted to be a part of that and 32 00:03:25,319 --> 00:03:34,560 she agreed and there's also the 33 00:03:31,379 --> 00:03:38,700 East Interlake Watershed District and counselor Jarvis was first assigned 34 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:45,360 to that committee and has expressed 35 00:03:43,620 --> 00:03:51,659 that he's no longer interested in that committee and so I have agreed to go on 36 00:03:49,319 --> 00:03:55,980 that and and actually attended the last East Interlake Watershed District 37 00:03:53,659 --> 00:03:59,040 committee meeting I think it was last week 38 00:03:57,180 --> 00:04:03,260 so those two changes already stand however 39 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:03,260 um 40 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:15,420 I would like to see counselor Kozlowski representing us on 41 00:04:12,780 --> 00:04:19,680 some of the external committees and also on some of the portfolios so I wanted to 42 00:04:17,820 --> 00:04:26,220 just open it up to discussion right now we're not going to make any final 43 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:29,280 decisions until the January meeting but I wanted to start having some 44 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:34,800 initial discussions now one of my thoughts in terms of the 45 00:04:31,259 --> 00:04:39,300 portfolios was after our meeting with um 46 00:04:36,060 --> 00:04:44,400 Dolores from the MSO she had talked about whether in fact we needed 47 00:04:41,580 --> 00:04:47,720 portfolios or not and whether that was 48 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:55,620 a good use of staff and Council time if 49 00:04:52,979 --> 00:05:01,320 our staff and managers are meeting with our CAO every week and keeping her up to 50 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:06,540 date on what's Happening does it make sense to ask counselors to also set 51 00:05:04,500 --> 00:05:12,000 aside time for committee meetings to meet with each of their portfolios 52 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:17,820 um and so I'm opening that up for discussion as well whether we should 53 00:05:14,280 --> 00:05:24,620 continue to have those portfolios or not and if we do then 54 00:05:20,820 --> 00:05:24,620 um how we want to proceed forward 55 00:05:26,340 --> 00:05:29,000 thoughts 56 00:05:31,340 --> 00:05:38,940 do we have to meet that many times with the ca once a week 57 00:05:36,300 --> 00:05:44,400 we're not maybe once or twice a month or bring them in here and run a council 58 00:05:42,419 --> 00:05:51,080 um no it's the CAO who meets with her staff every week and that's important 59 00:05:46,919 --> 00:05:57,360 because the CAO actually is is a week for the CIO yes 60 00:05:54,240 --> 00:06:03,120 so it's it's been past practice um initially as I get caught up with a 61 00:05:59,340 --> 00:06:08,639 lot of the files and and past outstanding items 62 00:06:05,759 --> 00:06:13,800 um I I don't know if every week it will be required I think if it is at that 63 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:19,440 point it certainly won't take as long to to do the refresher as it will right now 64 00:06:17,460 --> 00:06:24,960 so right now it is just getting a lot of the history so although they're saying 65 00:06:21,740 --> 00:06:28,860 regarding whether it be well three or well two right there's a lot of history 66 00:06:26,639 --> 00:06:32,940 behind a lot of what's Happening that I don't have so I appreciate that being 67 00:06:31,259 --> 00:06:40,199 able to have those conversations of where where we were as to why we're at 68 00:06:36,660 --> 00:06:47,100 where we are and what that plan is but going forward that weekly meeting 69 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:51,780 will be to be determined and if it is it's certainly I don't see it being as 70 00:06:50,039 --> 00:06:57,840 in depth because with email communication a lot of the time uh it is 71 00:06:54,780 --> 00:07:01,860 just a way of a good follow-up that I can ensure that there are certain things 72 00:06:59,580 --> 00:07:06,120 on track and sometimes there is the cross-reference between departments so 73 00:07:03,900 --> 00:07:12,240 if our works or utility was working with recreation in something or vice versa 74 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:16,680 the collaboration of having everyone at one time 75 00:07:13,460 --> 00:07:21,599 feeds off feeds off that as part of not leaving something left 76 00:07:19,620 --> 00:07:26,639 unturned right so so I it's a little bit too new so 77 00:07:24,780 --> 00:07:31,560 um right now so I I don't know what that looks like going forward but that has 78 00:07:28,860 --> 00:07:36,120 been what has happened past practice I'm finding it beneficial at this point like 79 00:07:33,780 --> 00:07:42,599 I said but what that looks like going forward uh to be determined 80 00:07:40,199 --> 00:07:45,720 so Mr clarify for concert Kozlowski we're not attending those meetings 81 00:07:44,039 --> 00:07:49,800 that's not the meetings that's being referred to as US attending with our 82 00:07:47,639 --> 00:07:55,680 portfolios and I'm I'm going to be honest I know that the expectation 83 00:07:53,039 --> 00:07:59,699 um uh from Merrick Jackson when these committees were set was that we meet 84 00:07:57,120 --> 00:08:04,199 monthly with our portfolio so that we have an opportunity and this was prior 85 00:08:01,500 --> 00:08:07,080 to our discussions with the MSO was that we would be meeting monthly with our 86 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:11,280 portfolios um I won't speak for others but that has 87 00:08:09,300 --> 00:08:15,300 not been happening with me um 88 00:08:12,900 --> 00:08:20,520 okay they are meeting with the CAO weekly 89 00:08:17,639 --> 00:08:26,759 met once just initially and have not had the opportunity so 90 00:08:23,759 --> 00:08:31,020 I'm not sure about the whether it's necessary with what was said as the 91 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:34,380 expectation of those committees that we'd be meeting with the monthly 92 00:08:32,219 --> 00:08:39,839 especially with the meeting with the CIO and sort of a better understanding from 93 00:08:37,680 --> 00:08:44,180 a concept perspective of what is the cio's role and what is mine as a 94 00:08:41,820 --> 00:08:44,180 counselor 95 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:48,480 all right no I just Oh I thought you had your 96 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:51,300 no you were just moving your hands around massaging my face massaging your 97 00:08:49,980 --> 00:08:55,019 face um 98 00:08:52,019 --> 00:08:57,660 counselor cool how many uh committee meetings are you having with Public 99 00:08:56,220 --> 00:09:00,779 Works Recreation and protective environment and public health I'm 100 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:03,839 Council Jonas mine are particularly over the phone 101 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:07,680 so your U.N Council Jarvis aren't having committee meetings I work during the 102 00:09:05,459 --> 00:09:11,399 week so I can't I have to do my via phone call 103 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:16,800 so then councilor Jarvis started any of those committee meetings then 104 00:09:13,980 --> 00:09:19,459 no well they don't take place I was only the vice guy 105 00:09:19,620 --> 00:09:24,200 okay so 106 00:09:27,180 --> 00:09:35,640 so then I guess I would put to counsel whether it would make sense in fact to 107 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:39,839 not have the portfolios if we're not 108 00:09:37,680 --> 00:09:43,380 I mean we're not meeting with them on a regular basis 109 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:48,839 we can't direct any of their work all the direction comes from the Cao 110 00:09:46,380 --> 00:09:53,820 um the updates come from the CIO and so then I question what 111 00:09:51,779 --> 00:09:57,660 usefulness it would be for us to have the portfolios besides taking up staff 112 00:09:55,800 --> 00:10:01,080 time telling us stuff that that they're already telling 113 00:09:59,519 --> 00:10:03,839 our CIO so I leave that for people to think 114 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:08,700 about and we can make a decision in January 115 00:10:06,959 --> 00:10:12,320 unless people have some ideas some thoughts now in response 116 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:21,300 well right now we've had an awful lot of vehicles even as a council 117 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:26,820 two three yeah four or five a month so yeah 118 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:31,440 and then other things I know I don't have a problem with uh visiting 119 00:10:29,459 --> 00:10:36,360 this again in the spring depending and with the flooding and so 120 00:10:34,140 --> 00:10:42,180 on and so forth and all the other stuff that we had going on so 121 00:10:39,540 --> 00:10:48,120 yeah an idea maybe to have a counselor present with the CEO and whatever 122 00:10:45,300 --> 00:10:52,620 manager you know I know that might be a problem maybe night time or whatever 123 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:57,360 some of us are working in that just so that the council counselor knows 124 00:10:55,620 --> 00:11:00,300 what's going on and where's these problems 125 00:10:58,380 --> 00:11:03,959 what what the MSO said though is she said that some of the portfolios should 126 00:11:02,100 --> 00:11:07,740 stay the bigger portfolios she wasn't she'd like to finance 127 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:11,820 she found those portfolios important Public Works 128 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:15,120 I think I think if we have a specific skill as well 129 00:11:13,740 --> 00:11:18,200 um you know in in whatever portfolio we're 130 00:11:17,279 --> 00:11:24,440 managing helps also uh sometimes the 131 00:11:21,959 --> 00:11:28,920 communication sometimes the managers feel 132 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:33,360 less threatened to open up to council than they do the CEO and we bring 133 00:11:30,540 --> 00:11:36,720 forward their questions too there's a lot said about having 134 00:11:34,740 --> 00:11:40,620 portfolios so 135 00:11:37,980 --> 00:11:45,300 I I and another thing I mean you know without portfolios it was it 136 00:11:43,620 --> 00:11:48,300 was discussed with previous Council that we would all have to know a little bit 137 00:11:46,560 --> 00:11:55,440 about everything as well and and that makes it tougher 138 00:11:52,260 --> 00:12:01,140 well I mean part of part of the issue for me is 139 00:11:58,980 --> 00:12:04,980 staff shouldn't be going to counselors staff should be going to their boss 140 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:08,519 which is a CEO yeah sometimes they don't though they're not comfortable right but 141 00:12:07,079 --> 00:12:12,360 then that's but then that's between the CAO and the staff person to work out 142 00:12:10,260 --> 00:12:16,740 because I'm just letting you know what happened yeah no I know you know I know 143 00:12:14,579 --> 00:12:20,700 but I'm just saying that puts the counselor in a pretty awkward position 144 00:12:18,060 --> 00:12:24,120 because the counselor can't direct we don't can't tell them what you do can't 145 00:12:22,079 --> 00:12:29,240 do any of those kinds of things and so but we can bring that concern forward to 146 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:29,240 this year 147 00:12:29,279 --> 00:12:34,620 I mean they're going to call us regardless but I'm just saying if they 148 00:12:33,420 --> 00:12:39,420 feel comfortable with that particular portfolio 149 00:12:36,899 --> 00:12:43,100 they meet very not question to council they make it has happened before 150 00:12:46,740 --> 00:12:52,380 Council agenda um 151 00:12:50,339 --> 00:12:56,339 I think in um 152 00:12:52,980 --> 00:12:59,339 fairness to our new CIO that's a fine line we need to walk 153 00:12:58,680 --> 00:13:04,980 um I understand that staff may have had 154 00:13:01,380 --> 00:13:08,279 issues in the past but I just don't I think we need to work on moving 155 00:13:06,660 --> 00:13:15,480 forward um and not be putting ourselves in 156 00:13:11,700 --> 00:13:19,920 between our staff and our CIO um 157 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:23,940 staff are gonna we have managers that if it's a manager they need to learn to 158 00:13:21,839 --> 00:13:28,320 have a level of comfort and if we are running interference we're not helping 159 00:13:26,579 --> 00:13:30,740 with the fostering a healthy work environment 160 00:13:30,839 --> 00:13:37,139 okay cancer cool I wasn't saying it was interference it was simply a form of 161 00:13:35,700 --> 00:13:41,880 another form of communication for them sorry I I and by running interference I 162 00:13:40,380 --> 00:13:47,160 just meant being in the middle of it sorry uh Council Hall I didn't mean 163 00:13:44,660 --> 00:13:53,300 interfering it was I was using the term as an expression not specifically my 164 00:13:49,500 --> 00:13:53,300 apologies it wasn't meant that way okay 165 00:13:53,399 --> 00:14:00,660 I had a question but it's um because I'm and I don't know that I'm confused like 166 00:13:58,260 --> 00:14:04,260 if staff people are funny even managers hypothetical Tim phones me at home which 167 00:14:02,820 --> 00:14:12,000 is never happened um wouldn't I as a counselor though say 168 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:15,660 refer her like what sort of dialogue are we having do you know what 169 00:14:14,399 --> 00:14:19,560 I mean like like it just seems if if there's an 170 00:14:17,519 --> 00:14:23,519 emergency situation and you're going through phone numbers you know yeah you 171 00:14:22,139 --> 00:14:26,399 might want to no I'm talking like seriously an emergency like if somebody 172 00:14:24,839 --> 00:14:29,880 somebody says look we're on fire or something like that then you might want 173 00:14:27,779 --> 00:14:33,660 to but under every other Condition it's like excuse me but we have somebody that 174 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:37,620 you speak to that's right and what I don't want to happen because you know 175 00:14:35,100 --> 00:14:41,399 because I I mean I I walk a lot and I bump into Tim I bumped into Tyler the 176 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:44,459 other day and we talk Golf and things but like I don't want people to say that 177 00:14:43,199 --> 00:14:48,420 they can't talk to me you know what I mean like if I go walking by Tyler that 178 00:14:46,500 --> 00:14:52,920 I want people people say well you know because I always Tyler and I've talked 179 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:57,540 for years because I know yeah I mean I just I worry that maybe 180 00:14:55,019 --> 00:15:02,040 that would take place yeah this isn't about not being able to talk I mean when 181 00:14:59,639 --> 00:15:04,800 I got into Joe where I run into Tim I was like hey how are the kids how was 182 00:15:03,300 --> 00:15:09,000 the wife you know those kinds of things this is about them calling us on Council 183 00:15:07,079 --> 00:15:12,000 business and right I just wanted that character yeah that's why I want to make 184 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:16,320 sure because I've never received any of those calls right but I bump into people 185 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:19,800 all the time yeah but if I were to get a call from any of the managers for sure I 186 00:15:18,180 --> 00:15:22,680 would say why are you calling me about this you need to talk to the school yeah 187 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:25,620 but back to the emergency thing I mean if somebody's phoning Me Maybe they've 188 00:15:24,300 --> 00:15:28,260 tried sharing and they can't get a hold of her maybe they've tried unique and 189 00:15:27,060 --> 00:15:30,839 they're just going through it because they've got a problem and they're 190 00:15:29,279 --> 00:15:34,800 starting to go through a phone directory right but that's the extraordinary right 191 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:40,620 so we've got to make sure that we're being able to differentiate that okay so 192 00:15:37,380 --> 00:15:45,480 be prepared for our January Cal meeting to make a decision on this and if in 193 00:15:44,639 --> 00:15:50,160 fact um 194 00:15:46,380 --> 00:15:56,040 we decide to um continue to have portfolios then I'll 195 00:15:53,519 --> 00:16:02,420 spend some time thinking about who will be in charge of what portfolios and will 196 00:15:58,019 --> 00:16:02,420 bring Council Kozlowski into the mix 197 00:16:03,420 --> 00:16:08,699 do we need a resolution after the Eastern planning district that's where 198 00:16:06,839 --> 00:16:11,540 we're going to move into now uh the external committees 199 00:16:12,060 --> 00:16:18,720 um and so I guess the conversation needs to 200 00:16:16,019 --> 00:16:23,519 be and the consideration needs to be for everybody here is anybody who is 201 00:16:20,820 --> 00:16:29,339 currently on an external committee that is not working for them or isn't in a 202 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:33,660 time when you can attend whatever those kinds of things please let us know and 203 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:37,380 also Council kislovski if you have particular external committees that you 204 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:40,920 would be interested in sitting on like for example we have a Winnipeg Beach 205 00:16:39,180 --> 00:16:44,519 Legion um 206 00:16:41,839 --> 00:16:47,959 if not you is it what's up you weren't on the legion were you I think I was 207 00:16:55,279 --> 00:17:02,040 uh if in fact you're interested in being the council liaison with the Winnipeg 208 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:05,939 Beach Legion that would make sense if there are other ones that also make 209 00:17:03,420 --> 00:17:09,839 sense to you please come prepared to the genuine meeting to have that 210 00:17:07,319 --> 00:17:13,079 conversation okay sure okay and other people whichever external committees 211 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:17,339 you're on if some are not working out not the right time whatever please 212 00:17:16,020 --> 00:17:23,280 um come to our January meeting prepared to 213 00:17:20,179 --> 00:17:28,140 talk about your involvement on external committees cancer Gendron we have a 214 00:17:26,699 --> 00:17:32,880 jumping ahead a little bit into correspondence or something 215 00:17:30,120 --> 00:17:38,280 's Resource Council saying they're not aware of 216 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:41,220 is uh representing the town on the um 217 00:17:38,940 --> 00:17:45,360 it was my understanding that contact information went up from the office 218 00:17:42,900 --> 00:17:50,280 asked about that at the time I guess apparently it hasn't okay so 219 00:17:48,539 --> 00:17:55,320 um if and I I my suggestion would be that not 220 00:17:53,400 --> 00:18:00,360 just the changes be notified of who is but probably everybody be notified 221 00:17:58,559 --> 00:18:03,539 that was going to be my next suggestion because yes because we also had a 222 00:18:01,919 --> 00:18:06,960 comment from Interlake tourist associations 223 00:18:05,100 --> 00:18:11,039 um without any representation here and so it sounds like they don't know who 224 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:15,900 who the rep is either counselor who you wanted to say that's what I was going to 225 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:18,840 say because again you know I'm on a couple of these committees and I've 226 00:18:16,860 --> 00:18:23,280 heard nothing from them or about them okay and so that's telling me that maybe 227 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:27,260 they don't know that we're appointing people back in August okay okay 228 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:36,240 okay so in the interim we're not going to pass this resolution until the 229 00:18:34,679 --> 00:18:40,620 January cow meeting after we've all had a chance to consider and think about 230 00:18:38,820 --> 00:18:47,100 so can we bring this forward to the January meeting in the interim um I will 231 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:53,299 be doing the East until like Watershed district and the East Interlake planning 232 00:18:49,799 --> 00:18:53,299 district until that happens 233 00:18:54,660 --> 00:19:01,039 comments and we're not voting on this right no that's tabled okay 234 00:19:01,919 --> 00:19:08,120 he had hereby resolve that Council approves the committee reports is 235 00:19:05,580 --> 00:19:08,120 presented 236 00:19:20,340 --> 00:19:26,880 um is there any reason why we haven't gotten to public works or utility or 237 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:29,900 fire chief report I just need to move her in a second oh 238 00:19:28,620 --> 00:19:35,220 damn sorry can I get a mover please 239 00:19:33,059 --> 00:19:39,140 oh my my counselor who will sorry secondary please counselor gendering 240 00:19:41,460 --> 00:19:47,100 I the reason why there's no other reports is I was told that they were 241 00:19:44,940 --> 00:19:50,400 requesting not requested not to put reports in for this month 242 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:55,860 I don't know if that's because I called my 243 00:19:52,860 --> 00:20:00,059 my uh Public Works and utilities and they were told not to have a report in 244 00:19:57,240 --> 00:20:06,660 for this month I'm not sure if that's uh what's my understanding that usually 245 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:12,960 the reports were for the cow meetings initially uh so that direction has not 246 00:20:10,020 --> 00:20:20,400 been provided by myself so I'm not sure where that information was provided 247 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:24,240 so should there be any reports on this then if we're gonna 248 00:20:21,900 --> 00:20:27,660 so I think so it was my understanding through the through the the managers 249 00:20:26,100 --> 00:20:31,620 meeting that it was usually the first meeting of each month when the reports 250 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:35,039 were submitted yep 251 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:39,299 and so then for with the with the December 252 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:44,400 um looking at year-end clothes we did talk about having reports in place and 253 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:48,179 so Rec Department uh has provided that you'll see the buy law enforcement is 254 00:20:46,260 --> 00:20:54,500 more just about November it's the previous month so that could be why 255 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:54,500 these reports aren't in place 256 00:20:54,960 --> 00:21:01,320 I did receive an email today in reference to the public works report but 257 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:05,940 putting on us as an addition I didn't think of it was a value without being 258 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:09,179 able to actually review the report ahead of time 259 00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:16,080 so the report that we do have is the bylaw enforcement report 260 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:20,100 the back rack and byline that's right everybody have a chance to review those 261 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:23,240 reports questions comments 262 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:28,160 all in favor okay 263 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:37,340 did hereby resolve that the correspondence be accepted as circuit as 264 00:21:34,500 --> 00:21:37,340 presented 265 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:46,140 motor counselor Gendron secondary 266 00:21:56,820 --> 00:21:59,820 foreign 267 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:10,380 did everybody get a chance to be the correspondence 268 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:21,260 yep any questions comments anything you want to highlights 269 00:22:26,820 --> 00:22:32,900 okay why we are quiet today aren't we 270 00:22:33,419 --> 00:22:36,260 correspondence 271 00:22:36,900 --> 00:22:44,100 yeah 7.1 traffic pardon me traffic ticket 272 00:22:43,020 --> 00:22:47,820 okay explanation 273 00:22:45,659 --> 00:22:52,679 ticket mine was given to the town 274 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:55,159 there's a person driving not get any of the merits 275 00:22:55,440 --> 00:23:02,940 it's a reptile registered vehicle so does the top is the town that gets 276 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:10,260 issued the the ticket as a result of that it was based on cameras that the 277 00:23:06,539 --> 00:23:13,679 school buses have cameras installed um 278 00:23:11,100 --> 00:23:16,220 and so it was a certified provincial ticket 279 00:23:16,700 --> 00:23:23,880 officer here no it's by yeah 280 00:23:20,780 --> 00:23:29,700 it's five years by the RC yeah by the RCP link it's a it's an actual traffic 281 00:23:26,100 --> 00:23:32,700 ticket okay so why is the beach boys 282 00:23:33,900 --> 00:23:41,039 because the vehicle's registered to the tone it's not to the individual 283 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:43,799 we've got fire trucks fire cars in the city 284 00:23:42,059 --> 00:23:47,760 you're going over the speed limit or through a red light not on the top you 285 00:23:45,780 --> 00:23:51,299 pay for the ticket to ensure that confidence with a lot of 286 00:23:49,500 --> 00:23:53,960 the private companies as well you're driving attack 287 00:23:54,480 --> 00:24:01,140 once again is there a while that says something that we pick up this ticket 288 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:07,320 does this driver get off scout free no good merits 289 00:24:02,659 --> 00:24:12,000 so there is no bylaw or policy in place there's nothing in the collective 290 00:24:09,120 --> 00:24:19,799 bargaining agreement that referenced this as far as having ownership coming 291 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:26,940 paying through the the ticket itself I have no authority to charge the employee 292 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:29,299 is is stating they are responsible for the ticket 293 00:24:31,020 --> 00:24:37,320 um you know the series of this offenses are going to be any repercussions or any 294 00:24:34,559 --> 00:24:41,520 further training or safety training or so I I have met with one of the 295 00:24:39,299 --> 00:24:45,539 employees that I have not met with the employee who was driving at the time as 296 00:24:43,380 --> 00:24:51,000 they are off on leave uh the circumstance I believe is clear in the 297 00:24:47,580 --> 00:24:56,880 report it was at a time of an emergent sewer break and at the time of driving 298 00:24:54,299 --> 00:25:03,419 albeit uh not appropriate behavior looking at the severity eyes were taken 299 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:10,500 off the road to be looking at the ditch area and it was just unnoticed so it's 300 00:25:06,659 --> 00:25:15,539 clearly clearly not an excuse that is what happened it was under extraordinary 301 00:25:12,659 --> 00:25:21,179 circumstances as the severity of the sewage in the close proximity to the 302 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:23,360 lake was a great concern foreign 303 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:39,299 's gonna pay for it so that 304 00:25:36,299 --> 00:25:45,480 so so that is a discussion to be had I I know that when we we look through that 305 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:48,620 looking at having some sort of policy um in place 306 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:56,820 being an a unionized work environment if we look at passing a policy where the 307 00:25:54,779 --> 00:26:01,740 driver of a vehicle who's incurred a ticket the expectation is for that 308 00:25:58,740 --> 00:26:05,520 driver to pay that expense I do expect there to be some level of Union 309 00:26:03,299 --> 00:26:09,480 involvement unless it's clearly identified in the collective bargaining 310 00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:14,580 unit agreement as well something that can be looked at I do not 311 00:26:12,059 --> 00:26:22,020 have past history as to whether or not how many instances have occurred 312 00:26:18,020 --> 00:26:28,440 so this is the first one I am aware of I did sit down with the individual at 313 00:26:23,940 --> 00:26:32,880 length discussing the situation and as I stated upon the return of the other 314 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:36,440 employee we'll be doing similar to council General 315 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:43,320 um uh first off thank you very much for the 316 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:47,580 report as an explanation as to what was involved leading up to it and just for 317 00:26:45,900 --> 00:26:51,240 clarification if an individual receives a ticket in their own names so if 318 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:55,559 they're pulled over for speeding that is not on us because it's in their name 319 00:26:52,980 --> 00:26:59,820 correct that's correct okay it is only when 320 00:26:57,120 --> 00:27:03,900 um like the cameras on the bus or red light cameras in the city or anything we 321 00:27:02,039 --> 00:27:10,020 as a town have a responsibility to pay the ticket because it's in our name 322 00:27:06,299 --> 00:27:14,400 correct okay and and we currently do not have a policy that allows us to take and 323 00:27:12,659 --> 00:27:17,820 I and I do know um 324 00:27:15,179 --> 00:27:22,500 some person experience a little bit of my discussion with you it it is you're 325 00:27:20,580 --> 00:27:26,880 very strict on what you can deduct from an individual's payroll and what you 326 00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:30,659 cannot correct so you do not have the authority to even be deductiveness off 327 00:27:29,100 --> 00:27:34,260 the individual's page I do not and without a policy you didn't really have 328 00:27:32,700 --> 00:27:40,860 any other choice but to pay the ticket so it's on Console to be making a policy 329 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:44,880 in order if we feel as a group that we do not want to be responsible for 330 00:27:42,360 --> 00:27:49,860 tickets and individuals get correct okay that being said we can looking at 331 00:27:47,039 --> 00:27:54,000 Council creating that policy because it is dealing with deductions from an 332 00:27:52,020 --> 00:27:59,460 employee the collective bargaining unit would need to be notified of that policy 333 00:27:57,260 --> 00:28:05,100 as well okay I just want to say you know 334 00:28:02,580 --> 00:28:09,059 the the offense is significant you know driving by a school bus when they're not 335 00:28:07,380 --> 00:28:12,059 supposed to be stopping um 336 00:28:10,020 --> 00:28:16,679 it was good to see you know kids weren't being discharged nobody wasn't any kind 337 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:20,520 of media threat and I certainly understand that they're driving a lot of 338 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:25,140 money they just because they had a super break 339 00:28:22,020 --> 00:28:30,480 um well it's unfortunate that occurred I also think that unless we continue to 340 00:28:28,020 --> 00:28:35,279 get these kinds of tickets or complaints I'm not sure if something that we have 341 00:28:32,220 --> 00:28:41,279 to add on this might be a one-time only and I I trust our CEO has had very 342 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:44,700 significant conversations with the people who were involved I think that if 343 00:28:43,919 --> 00:28:50,460 we haven't have a second situation and 344 00:28:48,059 --> 00:28:53,520 certainly we might be needing to have a very different discussion Council yeah I 345 00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:57,179 agree with you I think I think it would be a different discussion though if a 346 00:28:54,900 --> 00:29:00,480 kid was ran over so I think maybe if our employees were a little more 347 00:28:58,860 --> 00:29:05,039 you know if there was a financial penalty to their your 348 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:06,840 to their driving or something you know maybe they would have been paying a 349 00:29:06,059 --> 00:29:10,980 little more the kids could have been offloading and 350 00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:14,460 if he's looking in the ditches and didn't see a school bus at the 351 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:18,000 lights kids could have just as well been in the Front Street so 352 00:29:16,260 --> 00:29:23,340 I think it's important that we tackle this now and not wait for another 353 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:26,220 incident Council Jarvis I agree and I'll use the example what if it did the 354 00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:30,059 school bus driver and there's been kids on the school bus and he just went 355 00:29:27,779 --> 00:29:33,720 through a stop sign yeah I mean like right now we have a situation where he's 356 00:29:31,620 --> 00:29:37,799 looking at a ditch and there's a school bus with the lights on and we drive past 357 00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:40,799 the school bus and as you said luckily nobody was hurt 358 00:29:39,179 --> 00:29:43,799 but the last time we're wrong you're supposed to be in complete control of 359 00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:47,159 your vehicle at all times whether that bus could have been parked in the middle 360 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:50,520 of the road if he'd hit the bus he was at fault 361 00:29:48,539 --> 00:29:56,399 where we have to look at and like Gary said we have to have some sort of a plan 362 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:59,640 if a child had been hit heaven forbid if you're having a different 363 00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:04,320 conversation right now so what kind of plan are you suggesting counselors yeah 364 00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:08,100 we I'm not sure what is involved so I think maybe in the future we should have 365 00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:12,000 a look at it because we have employees that drive vehicles and if they're 366 00:30:10,020 --> 00:30:15,360 heaven forbid but if you're running through stop signs and you're blown past 367 00:30:13,620 --> 00:30:18,000 school buses with the lights on then maybe we need to look at a policy that 368 00:30:16,980 --> 00:30:22,380 says hey 369 00:30:19,919 --> 00:30:25,380 we have a situation even in the middle of the Summer where there's kids walking 370 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:27,840 everywhere around here and if you're looking at the ditch and 371 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:31,740 something all you need is a five-year-old and bolt that between two 372 00:30:29,399 --> 00:30:35,159 cars and no problem okay well maybe it's just more of a having to 373 00:30:33,779 --> 00:30:37,279 take a defensive driving course or something 374 00:30:37,799 --> 00:30:43,260 because I don't know I agree but I'm not saying that we let the guy about Scott 375 00:30:42,299 --> 00:30:45,539 free I'm just saying that you know there's something that maybe wouldn't 376 00:30:44,399 --> 00:30:48,080 get a look at we have people driving vehicles 377 00:30:50,220 --> 00:30:52,399 um 378 00:30:52,620 --> 00:30:57,720 my understanding from reading the report as the discussion has happened and the 379 00:30:55,980 --> 00:30:59,720 serious discussion has happened um 380 00:30:59,820 --> 00:31:10,620 the CEO is responsible for the staff the CIO has policies regarding uh when if 381 00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:14,399 and when the CIO feels there's a need for a written warning to be placed on an 382 00:31:12,899 --> 00:31:20,520 employee's file the CAO has that ability to do so if the 383 00:31:18,059 --> 00:31:25,380 CIO in discussions um feels that 384 00:31:22,500 --> 00:31:29,820 I mean as she said she doesn't know if this is the first offense or not but if 385 00:31:27,419 --> 00:31:33,960 this is the first offense and the Santa was dealing with a second offense in 386 00:31:31,799 --> 00:31:37,679 three months I would assume that the CIA would be dealing with it appropriately 387 00:31:35,279 --> 00:31:41,220 according to the situation that had as opposed to having to have a separate 388 00:31:39,659 --> 00:31:44,279 policy councilor well I just want to say on 389 00:31:43,020 --> 00:31:47,640 record that I think something should be done now because if we don't and this 390 00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:50,760 event does happen I don't think our CEO wants to be 391 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:55,320 responsible for it either I think we need to like that's a that's if it was 392 00:31:53,159 --> 00:31:58,740 just driving if it was a small offense like again like speeding or whatever 393 00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:03,419 else but somebody blowing through a flashing lights on a school bus that's 394 00:32:00,419 --> 00:32:08,039 that's as bad as it gets would you suggest that we do counselor 395 00:32:05,940 --> 00:32:12,000 well I suggest that the person needs a little refresher course 396 00:32:09,539 --> 00:32:16,500 or a defensive driving force or maybe if they if they can't follow the rules 397 00:32:14,100 --> 00:32:18,779 and they're too distracted by a flashing lights on a school bus maybe they 398 00:32:17,700 --> 00:32:24,659 shouldn't be driving our vehicles because it's our liability 399 00:32:21,899 --> 00:32:28,679 yeah they're they're in charge of that vehicle all responsibility plays with 400 00:32:27,779 --> 00:32:32,520 them they would have hit a child coming out 401 00:32:30,419 --> 00:32:37,500 of that school bus or something set the feature fault we heard the 402 00:32:34,860 --> 00:32:41,580 driver driver walks away once again there's no good merits to this driver 403 00:32:39,779 --> 00:32:45,419 it goes on to the talent it's a very Hefty fine 404 00:32:43,260 --> 00:32:49,860 and I think that each individual should be held accountable for their driving 405 00:32:47,279 --> 00:32:54,000 schools so in what kind of way what what action do you think the town should be 406 00:32:51,179 --> 00:32:58,440 taking that they pay responsible there in charge of that vehicle 407 00:32:55,919 --> 00:33:04,500 okay now they pay for whatever happens if they hit a ticket they pay for it 408 00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:09,539 just like most of the private cities and most private companies in the city 409 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:12,539 private companies don't pay for you we 410 00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:17,340 we I work for a unionized company we have to sign up the vehicles event when 411 00:33:16,140 --> 00:33:21,600 you sign up the vehicle you aren't responsible for that vehicle so so maybe 412 00:33:20,100 --> 00:33:25,320 we need to adopt something where there's a signal policy in the vehicles you know 413 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:28,260 they're responsible for it during that time 414 00:33:26,340 --> 00:33:32,580 I mean just something to look at some would consider I'm wondering if rcao can 415 00:33:30,779 --> 00:33:36,000 take this back for consideration and come back with a recommendation to 416 00:33:34,500 --> 00:33:41,820 cancer so just one question the counselors will 417 00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:46,320 defensive driving course uh was it under the presumption that the town would be 418 00:33:44,340 --> 00:33:49,860 paying for that defensive driving course or is the expectation for the employee 419 00:33:48,299 --> 00:33:54,179 well that's something we can discuss I would just again based on the serious 420 00:33:51,779 --> 00:33:58,679 seriousness of the offense uh I think something needs to be done 421 00:33:56,340 --> 00:34:03,779 I mean we don't we don't have we don't have um the same rights the police or 422 00:34:01,500 --> 00:34:06,539 the RCP or the fire department does you know 423 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:10,560 driving fast to a case or you're driving so fast you didn't know this or even I 424 00:34:09,060 --> 00:34:13,500 mean if you're that focused on the ditch how long how long are you not looking 425 00:34:12,300 --> 00:34:20,099 what's in front of you that's that's scary so it's just it's concerning and 426 00:34:16,980 --> 00:34:23,760 so I I think some education is required something 427 00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:28,560 councilor Jarvis um did the driver in question receive 428 00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:33,480 demerits on their license no because it was based on very similar to uh red 429 00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:37,560 light cameras so you just get this the license plate that's identified not the 430 00:34:36,240 --> 00:34:43,440 driver so it's the it's under the vehicle 431 00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:47,879 that's that Vehicles the name under the registration of that license plate if 432 00:34:46,020 --> 00:34:52,200 I'm using your car and I get a red light camera you receive the ticket and so 433 00:34:50,399 --> 00:34:57,780 that's that's what's happened in this case as well and I know as the counselor 434 00:34:54,960 --> 00:35:00,540 genre explains it we've had a you've had a conversation with this person but so 435 00:34:59,460 --> 00:35:04,200 then this person's not paying the fine and 436 00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:08,880 there's no demand so there's really no other than the conversation that took 437 00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:13,740 place so I've had the conversation with the passenger the driver is on leave 438 00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:18,300 currently and I have not been able to have that conversation with the driver 439 00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:22,560 at this time councilor Kozlowski and then counselor yeah um we just lost hope 440 00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:27,480 a little bit to these people the drivers do they check their vehicles before they 441 00:35:24,119 --> 00:35:32,460 do all the safer signals lights Etc 442 00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:36,240 I believe pre-trips are required I can certainly confirm what the works 443 00:35:34,020 --> 00:35:41,280 department that the pre-trips are being adhered to 444 00:35:37,740 --> 00:35:46,500 councilman here too yeah like that it is I believe it is a requirement I would be 445 00:35:43,859 --> 00:35:50,640 surprised if there wasn't a policy in place I don't even think 446 00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:55,020 so it's just a question as to whether or not 447 00:35:51,780 --> 00:36:01,619 um that it's be being adhered to as in several places of employment 448 00:35:58,079 --> 00:36:07,320 um people get used to not doing a pre-trip right maybe this can come up to 449 00:36:04,740 --> 00:36:11,640 the meetings that they have yeah and I will I will be discussing that yet okay 450 00:36:09,839 --> 00:36:14,940 so anything further going forward I think we're pretty clear here 451 00:36:13,140 --> 00:36:18,500 okay anything else under correspondence 452 00:36:18,599 --> 00:36:25,760 Council service the human resources practices employment thing that would 453 00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:25,760 just send for 454 00:36:26,460 --> 00:36:33,060 pardon me no this is what Gene was talking about before like his name the 455 00:36:30,359 --> 00:36:37,680 municipal relations bulletin it was sent to us yes uh that was just for us to 456 00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:42,599 read and yeah okay so what the council May notice 457 00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:47,579 as something different is whenever there's a bulletin put out by Municipal 458 00:36:44,700 --> 00:36:52,680 relations as part of being um municipal government I will put that 459 00:36:50,220 --> 00:36:56,760 information out just so everyone is aware what what the department is doing 460 00:36:54,480 --> 00:37:04,980 as well as the other news releases that would pertain to our MLA or in this case 461 00:37:01,140 --> 00:37:10,140 um Minister Horton as well as he lives within close proximity and so when 462 00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:14,540 Council works with various ministers or mlas I think it's important for you just 463 00:37:12,119 --> 00:37:18,780 to have some background as to what portfolio and what projects they are 464 00:37:17,099 --> 00:37:22,680 working on um so that when you do meet with them 465 00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:27,180 that that you've got some familiarity around uh yeah but this was the human 466 00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:31,920 resources practices of employment the only reason I asked the question is 467 00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:34,920 because in cancer genre I even alluded to it at the beginning of the meetings 468 00:37:33,240 --> 00:37:39,440 that we've had this kind of I just is this the actual thing because we've 469 00:37:36,359 --> 00:37:39,440 talked about this two or three times 470 00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:49,980 yeah okay 471 00:37:48,540 --> 00:37:54,720 it's not specific to the top yeah 472 00:37:52,020 --> 00:37:57,619 thank you any other questions about correspondence 473 00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:05,579 okay that's the resolution all in favor 474 00:38:03,839 --> 00:38:09,420 Gary he is hereby resolve that Council 475 00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:12,440 approves the accounts payable being checks numbered 476 00:38:12,619 --> 00:38:17,960 20220761 to number 477 00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:30,260 20220826 and electronic payments issued between December 1st 2022 and December 478 00:38:24,780 --> 00:38:35,520 31st 22 totaling 204 106.67 as circulated by the finance 479 00:38:33,540 --> 00:38:38,820 officer and reviewed by the finance committee 480 00:38:36,660 --> 00:38:44,540 mover please so Jervis 481 00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:44,540 secondary please 482 00:38:44,579 --> 00:38:47,300 conjendron 483 00:38:47,579 --> 00:38:50,300 discussion 484 00:38:51,180 --> 00:38:57,720 um yeah um I sorry sharing a phrases before 485 00:38:55,920 --> 00:39:01,680 um prior to being here um the resolution reads approved by the 486 00:38:59,820 --> 00:39:07,500 uh as reviewed by the finance committee and it's not it's not the committee it 487 00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:12,119 is a member of the finance committee because uh Doug doesn't whoever comes in 488 00:39:10,500 --> 00:39:16,700 to do the check signing so sometimes it may even be mayor 489 00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:16,700 Jackson 490 00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:23,820 thank you Council Jarvis and maybe I I missed the 491 00:39:21,780 --> 00:39:27,300 opportunity here but the this I'm a little confused about the Cascade 492 00:39:24,900 --> 00:39:34,020 recovery thing the the check that was issued for recycling what is Cascade 493 00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:38,640 Cascades is where the recycling actually gets processed so we still have a 494 00:39:36,180 --> 00:39:43,260 processing fee as well so that's the stuff that they pick up right so our 495 00:39:40,980 --> 00:39:47,820 recycling gets picked up at a fee however to process that recycling 496 00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:51,839 there's an additional fee on top of everything 497 00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:58,320 yeah I wasn't sure what type of thing okay I wanted to checks on their cats 498 00:39:54,240 --> 00:40:01,920 your comment if he's 735 what's that all there 499 00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:05,700 uh I would have to pull the item a lot of these expenditures occurred prior to 500 00:40:03,780 --> 00:40:09,660 me being here that that were approved through there so I can certainly follow 501 00:40:07,980 --> 00:40:14,099 up with that and send you that information I can go pull the check 502 00:40:11,820 --> 00:40:20,160 right now um I believe that when our Bible officer 503 00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:25,560 is also doing animal control and when he's doing animal control and he picks 504 00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:29,880 up Stray Cats there is a fee for the picking up of stray cats and then taking 505 00:40:27,180 --> 00:40:34,380 them to a compound where they are taken care of and that's the fee Associated 506 00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:40,500 and cancer Gendron and then counselor and and there are very strict rules that 507 00:40:37,500 --> 00:40:45,180 he has to follow so he had they have to be held for so many days and so that's 508 00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:47,420 why we're paying foreign 509 00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:12,540 officer is the one that houses them so you can see why but it may Beach 510 00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:15,540 would have to pay for that paperwork 511 00:41:17,099 --> 00:41:23,700 Council agenda um it's it there's a whole animal 512 00:41:20,700 --> 00:41:28,700 control issue not just us I believe it's uh standards within the province we've 513 00:41:27,240 --> 00:41:34,380 addressed this before it's not anything we can do not do our 514 00:41:32,940 --> 00:41:39,480 only other option is to not be picking up stray cats and and that's the only 515 00:41:37,140 --> 00:41:42,540 other way to avoid it our CIO wanted to see some Productions after what I was 516 00:41:40,980 --> 00:41:47,040 going to say it's a reference to that once once you have a service delivery 517 00:41:45,540 --> 00:41:51,859 standard or something that identified out nearby law in reference to what you 518 00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:55,619 will or will not do for animal control several municipalities 519 00:41:54,660 --> 00:42:00,420 um have run into this situation where we 520 00:41:58,740 --> 00:42:05,760 look at the costs of cats for enforcement purposes is cost prohibitive 521 00:42:03,720 --> 00:42:10,740 and they have removed cats being from there so at that point 522 00:42:08,579 --> 00:42:15,740 though those municipalities are at risk for the Stray Cats and and the abundance 523 00:42:13,500 --> 00:42:15,740 of 524 00:42:16,020 --> 00:42:24,720 Dr Jarvis it's uh with everybody so it's it's there's criteria 525 00:42:22,619 --> 00:42:32,300 there's Health regulations all kinds of stuff and you can't get away from it 526 00:42:27,740 --> 00:42:32,300 any further discussion on the finances 527 00:42:35,099 --> 00:42:39,380 a favor Harry 528 00:42:40,020 --> 00:42:46,140 the adhered by a result that Council approves the December 2022 employee 529 00:42:44,099 --> 00:42:50,400 payroll is circulated by the finance officer 530 00:42:48,420 --> 00:42:54,720 I get a mover please so Jarvis 531 00:42:52,140 --> 00:42:59,220 second or please councilor Gendron 532 00:42:57,660 --> 00:43:02,420 has everybody had a chance to review this resolution 533 00:43:03,780 --> 00:43:08,720 any questions comments points of discussion 534 00:43:12,660 --> 00:43:18,140 all in favor Terry 535 00:43:20,339 --> 00:43:27,960 whereas in accordance with Section 163 of the municipal act the Council of the 536 00:43:25,260 --> 00:43:32,339 town of Winnipeg Beach have made interim estimates of all operating expenditures 537 00:43:30,119 --> 00:43:38,280 for the town for the periods of January 1st 2023 until the adoption of the 538 00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:43,079 financial plan therefore be hereby resolved that the following provisional 539 00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:48,900 estimates be hereby adoptive General government services 350 540 00:43:45,660 --> 00:43:55,560 000 Protective Services 150 000 transportation services 450 541 00:43:52,440 --> 00:44:01,079 000 environmental health 150 000 Public Health and Welfare 10 000 542 00:43:58,260 --> 00:44:06,900 environmental development 20 000 Economic Development 20 000 Recreation 543 00:44:04,619 --> 00:44:12,480 and culture 150 000 fiscal Services fifty thousand 544 00:44:09,720 --> 00:44:16,980 utility operating 150 000 total of 545 00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:22,339 one million four hundred and eighty thousand can I get a mover please 546 00:44:19,619 --> 00:44:22,339 that's a gender 547 00:44:22,500 --> 00:44:27,020 second or please counselor Kozlowski 548 00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:30,619 discussion 549 00:44:34,319 --> 00:44:39,140 okay all in favor 550 00:44:39,420 --> 00:44:41,900 Harry 551 00:44:44,460 --> 00:44:50,940 the adhere by a result that Council approved counselor Gendron to attend the 552 00:44:48,720 --> 00:44:57,300 Red River Basin annual conference being held at the Fort Gary hotel in Winnipeg 553 00:44:52,920 --> 00:45:02,819 on January 17th to the 19th 2023 at a cost of 338 dollars plus applicable 554 00:44:59,880 --> 00:45:08,119 applicable taxes out-of-pocket expenses and travel per diem 555 00:45:04,859 --> 00:45:08,119 can I get a mover please 556 00:45:11,940 --> 00:45:16,640 in a secondary place Mr Jarvis 557 00:45:16,859 --> 00:45:26,040 discussion that's agenda I do have one question it says 558 00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:29,480 expenses and travel Peruvian um we have 559 00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:29,480 um 560 00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:38,880 or that entitles um hourly reimbursement as well is that 561 00:45:36,660 --> 00:45:44,180 really that's part of this correct that's that's what it's for free yeah 562 00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:44,180 okay thank you 563 00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:47,900 any further discussion 564 00:45:48,900 --> 00:45:54,140 all in favor Terry 565 00:45:55,440 --> 00:46:01,200 the adhere by resolve that the ca will be authorized to enter into a service 566 00:45:59,460 --> 00:46:05,640 agreement between the town of Winnipeg Beach and the Canadian Corp of 567 00:46:03,060 --> 00:46:09,319 Commissioners for disaster financial assistance Support Services 568 00:46:09,839 --> 00:46:14,839 yeah I'll get a mover please Mr Jarvis 569 00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:23,700 secondary Place some gender University can give us a bit more 570 00:46:21,060 --> 00:46:29,599 information on this please um so the service agreement through the 571 00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:34,920 disaster Financial uh assistance program the dollar figure amount uh is fairly 572 00:46:33,240 --> 00:46:40,319 significant for what's happened at Winnipeg Beach throughout this past year 573 00:46:37,140 --> 00:46:47,760 as a result those applications are rather time consuming and very detailed 574 00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:52,200 the expense for the support services is also claimable against the disaster 575 00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:56,760 financial assistance and so the way that that program works is once accepted 576 00:46:54,240 --> 00:47:01,920 there's threshold tiered thresholds of where the municipality is responsible 577 00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:06,060 for and after a certain period of a certain amount a hundred percent of the 578 00:47:04,140 --> 00:47:10,200 costs are then covered through the DFA program once approved 579 00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:13,740 and so in order to collect that data and ensure that nothing's been overlooked or 580 00:47:12,540 --> 00:47:17,300 missed um 581 00:47:15,300 --> 00:47:21,060 and working through that recognizing the scope of of what's 582 00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:26,040 happened um it's it would be a it's since it's 583 00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:30,780 playable expense I think it would and therefore reimbursable uh it uh it makes 584 00:47:28,859 --> 00:47:35,640 the most sense to move forward with commissioners 585 00:47:33,180 --> 00:47:38,579 any questions points of discussion Council Jarvis 586 00:47:37,619 --> 00:47:43,140 um is this 587 00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:50,660 does this compete with Don Eames and nothing no it's just separate it's just 588 00:47:46,619 --> 00:47:50,660 this is to be able to make 589 00:47:50,700 --> 00:47:55,619 this is to be able to make all our claims so like for example the super 590 00:47:53,700 --> 00:48:00,060 sandbags we had to charge the provincial government for that to make all the 591 00:47:57,119 --> 00:48:04,079 Financial claims yes to get the money I wasn't sure 592 00:48:01,579 --> 00:48:08,640 is it more of just how to do the paperwork because I thought we had we 593 00:48:06,839 --> 00:48:12,119 we've had this brought to us before previous Council 594 00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:15,599 um the company that we deal with when there is an emergency measures I thought 595 00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:20,099 they handled most of that and helped us with the 596 00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:24,660 those areas so I'm not familiar with what may have happened in the past to 597 00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:28,680 date there's been no movement on this DFA file and looking at the significant 598 00:48:27,180 --> 00:48:32,880 amount of money that has been spent in reference 599 00:48:30,900 --> 00:48:36,440 to This Disaster the sooner that this gets moved on the better so it is a bit 600 00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:43,140 different it's an independent program it's not in relation to emergency it 601 00:48:39,839 --> 00:48:47,280 measures its relation to disaster and so what might have come forward which I do 602 00:48:45,300 --> 00:48:53,819 believe there was payment for was there is a mitigation and preparedness program 603 00:48:49,380 --> 00:48:58,680 that counters with the DFA program and they are two separate programs but 604 00:48:56,099 --> 00:49:03,180 correlate with each other so this is to make movement in reference to submitting 605 00:49:01,319 --> 00:49:08,280 the claims and going through that process to have those expenditures 606 00:49:05,220 --> 00:49:12,480 return back to eligible expenditures returned back to to the town cancer 607 00:49:10,380 --> 00:49:15,900 gender yeah I just wanted to clarify for counselor Jarvis and then it sort of 608 00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:19,500 fits into Professor Hall said as well um this was raised at our previous meeting 609 00:49:18,180 --> 00:49:25,920 and there was some discussion it might have been just before and I had asked 610 00:49:22,740 --> 00:49:29,640 the acting cereal if um Napier 611 00:49:27,300 --> 00:49:34,440 could be hired to do this type of work and he had checked and they weren't they 612 00:49:33,060 --> 00:49:37,680 were too busy they didn't have the time to do it 613 00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:43,260 um but he did explain to us at the time that 100 of the cost of 614 00:49:40,619 --> 00:49:47,940 hiring somebody to prepare the paperwork for the province is a DFA expense that 615 00:49:45,900 --> 00:49:51,240 we can submit for so we really aren't going to be we've lost and said our 616 00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:56,160 deductible we really aren't going to be out of pocket for us 617 00:49:53,460 --> 00:50:00,540 so so would we is this just something that we we Source these guys out or 618 00:49:57,839 --> 00:50:05,280 should we put something out for my understanding is he did he was check uh 619 00:50:03,180 --> 00:50:10,680 the acting Stadium had been checking around and 620 00:50:07,260 --> 00:50:13,680 um it was a matter of because of how much 621 00:50:11,460 --> 00:50:17,700 how many areas were affected by disaster it was difficult to even find anybody 622 00:50:16,140 --> 00:50:21,119 that was available by the time we were looking for somebody yeah I'm just yeah 623 00:50:19,380 --> 00:50:25,380 so my concern is just for entering an agreement I'm just wondering if if we 624 00:50:23,220 --> 00:50:27,920 should have you know sourced up more than one 625 00:50:28,079 --> 00:50:36,300 in one company so previous calls have been made and looking for various other 626 00:50:33,180 --> 00:50:41,160 options uh and as councilor Gendron had stated very few people are interested as 627 00:50:39,060 --> 00:50:45,260 they are backlogged with various other claims 628 00:50:42,599 --> 00:50:45,260 thank you 629 00:50:45,660 --> 00:50:51,200 okay another discussion all in favor 630 00:50:51,540 --> 00:50:56,720 opposed Carrie 631 00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:06,000 be it hereby resolve that the CAO be authorized to renew the service contract 632 00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:11,839 between the town of Winnipeg Beach and Muni site for the uniware momentum 633 00:51:08,700 --> 00:51:11,839 License Services 634 00:51:12,599 --> 00:51:15,599 oops 635 00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:24,540 sorry my bad okay where is the request for donation has been received by the 636 00:51:22,619 --> 00:51:28,380 town of Winnipeg Beach therefore be it resolved that Council for the town of 637 00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:32,700 Winnipeg Beach authorized a donation in the amount of blank to Manitoba Crime 638 00:51:30,839 --> 00:51:37,140 Stoppers let me get a mover please 639 00:51:34,500 --> 00:51:39,980 answer cool second or please 640 00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:43,499 [Music] 641 00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:46,460 discussion 642 00:51:46,819 --> 00:51:51,380 what do they do in the area they're here for us 643 00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:58,680 did you have the opportunity to read their letter to us yeah 644 00:51:56,520 --> 00:52:04,260 so it looks like they haven't been able to do a lot in the last couple of years 645 00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:08,720 because of covet but they are putting a program together and going to schools 646 00:52:06,660 --> 00:52:13,740 and local events with information they're also taking on 647 00:52:11,339 --> 00:52:18,559 a signage project um 648 00:52:15,180 --> 00:52:22,260 so all I know is what's in the letter I think we've had some other requests 649 00:52:20,700 --> 00:52:25,740 for donations and we've we're kind of are we not strapped on this part right 650 00:52:23,940 --> 00:52:32,339 now for donations or should we move this to next year so this is for 2023 item it 651 00:52:30,180 --> 00:52:38,520 is my recommendation at this point it'd be tabled for Budget to determine 652 00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:44,640 um what is what is being allocated there has been no past history of donating to 653 00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:48,119 manageable Crime Stoppers that I'm that I'm aware of 654 00:52:46,020 --> 00:52:53,819 so you're suggesting we table it for Budget yeah and we've had a number 655 00:52:51,059 --> 00:52:57,920 of other requests for donations this past fall and so if we could put that 656 00:52:56,339 --> 00:53:04,260 all in the same item for Budget discussions so that we 657 00:53:00,780 --> 00:53:09,480 can look at all of the 2020 at the 2023 so it was 2023 requests okay well the 658 00:53:07,500 --> 00:53:13,619 2022 requests but they were coming in quite late in the year so if we can look 659 00:53:11,339 --> 00:53:16,040 at them so we know what to anticipate okay 660 00:53:16,380 --> 00:53:23,300 okay so this will be tabled correct thank you 661 00:53:28,559 --> 00:53:34,859 either be it hereby resolve that the CEO will be authorized to renew the service 662 00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:39,660 contract between the town of Winnipeg Beach and Muni site for the miniware 663 00:53:36,660 --> 00:53:45,240 momentum License Services I get a mover please 664 00:53:42,660 --> 00:53:49,500 counselor Jarvis in your secondary please counselorski 665 00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:56,099 give us some information about this one please sure 666 00:53:53,579 --> 00:54:02,220 so this is this is all of our programs that uh the that governs our municipal 667 00:53:59,819 --> 00:54:08,280 activities so it includes our tax our utility our accounts payable it's our 668 00:54:04,740 --> 00:54:15,480 payroll it's the ledger accounts so uh this is quite uh there was an account 669 00:54:10,859 --> 00:54:20,280 conversion that occurred in uh 2021 and this is the software program that we use 670 00:54:17,460 --> 00:54:27,180 they are looking to go into a three-year service agreement and 671 00:54:24,119 --> 00:54:33,540 that's what this item is for is just authorizing the CEO to sign that 672 00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:33,540 service agreement discussion 673 00:54:34,079 --> 00:54:38,599 all in favor Gary 674 00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:49,440 whereas section 365-2 of the municipal act provides that 675 00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:53,819 Council May in any year designate the immediately preceding year or any 676 00:54:52,020 --> 00:54:59,040 earlier year as the year for which properties the taxes and respect of 677 00:54:56,760 --> 00:55:04,619 which are inner ears for the year must be offered for tax sale by auction to 678 00:55:01,319 --> 00:55:08,700 recover the tax arrears and costs be it resolved that the designated year for 679 00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:15,119 the properties in arrears be offered by sale of auction the 2022 680 00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:20,819 meaning all properties with outstanding taxes from the year 2021 or prior and be 681 00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:26,880 it further resolved that in accordance with section 363-1 of the municipal act 682 00:55:24,059 --> 00:55:32,040 cost shall be at the actual costs incurred by the municipalities for each 683 00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:36,720 parcel listed for the tax sale plus an administration fee of fifty dollars per 684 00:55:34,319 --> 00:55:42,720 roll as set forth in the Manitoba regulation 50-97 685 00:55:39,900 --> 00:55:49,579 if applicable and be it further resolve that the tax sale Bill tax sale be held 686 00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:58,619 month day 2023 that should read and blank Am Pm at 687 00:55:55,079 --> 00:56:04,040 our table at Chambers can I get a mover please 688 00:56:00,720 --> 00:56:04,040 cancel Kozlowski 689 00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:12,660 secondary please councilor Jarvis discussion I wonder if Sharon you could 690 00:56:10,740 --> 00:56:17,760 uh so tell us what this is about um this is 691 00:56:15,119 --> 00:56:21,900 always a standard resolution it's just in a way of 692 00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:27,180 um having legal authority to move the back taxes forward so 693 00:56:24,420 --> 00:56:31,619 um several municipalities will also use the Outsource of tax service that goes 694 00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:36,839 through that tax sale process it's my understanding there has not been a tax 695 00:56:33,540 --> 00:56:42,960 sale auction in Winnipeg Beach for quite some time and but what this does do is 696 00:56:40,319 --> 00:56:48,839 give us the authority to move forward on any properties that do have outstanding 697 00:56:45,059 --> 00:56:54,540 taxes of 2021 or prior and set those properties up for auction 698 00:56:51,839 --> 00:56:59,240 discussion all in favor 699 00:56:56,640 --> 00:56:59,240 Gary 700 00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:08,940 whereas the request for refund has been given in regard to a Rec hockey program 701 00:57:06,059 --> 00:57:14,460 and whereas no rep refund policy has been adopted therefore be a result that 702 00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:18,559 Council approve slash do not approve a refund in the amount of 703 00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:28,339 can I get a mover please councilor Hall secondary 704 00:57:25,380 --> 00:57:28,339 that's a Gendron 705 00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:35,460 everybody get a chance to um 706 00:57:32,940 --> 00:57:38,180 review this discussion 707 00:57:39,599 --> 00:57:46,859 counselor so uh from the information provided this individual attended the 708 00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:50,760 program for a few weeks and then something else became available so they 709 00:57:48,540 --> 00:57:52,940 did start the program they did start the program 710 00:57:54,020 --> 00:58:02,640 was the program full of the time uh I believe with this kind of structure 711 00:58:00,660 --> 00:58:08,460 there there is always room for additional users I think it was an 712 00:58:04,619 --> 00:58:12,960 informal Rec hockey program councilor Jarvis 713 00:58:10,980 --> 00:58:18,839 um um I I guess if we if we're gonna go out 714 00:58:15,059 --> 00:58:24,480 I would say no one refund other questions or discussion Council 715 00:58:21,359 --> 00:58:28,619 agenda yeah the program has started um you sign up for a yoga class and you 716 00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:32,579 decide after three weeks you found something closer to home 717 00:58:30,119 --> 00:58:36,319 and yoga instructor that you've paid for the classes isn't going to give you your 718 00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:36,319 money back 719 00:58:36,359 --> 00:58:41,700 for all of us at good kids through hockey and that I mean this stuff 720 00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:46,140 happens and maybe lots of times it's a lot more money than this 721 00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:53,099 further discussion okay call the question so we have to 722 00:58:49,799 --> 00:58:56,359 therefore be it resolved that council do not approve a refund 723 00:58:56,880 --> 00:59:06,000 period period yeah all in favor 724 00:59:01,859 --> 00:59:10,319 to post I was I was hoping for a uh you know partial 725 00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:14,220 oh did you want to speak to that I just 726 00:59:12,420 --> 00:59:17,579 think you know you know like uh Council General and I said if uh you know if 727 00:59:16,140 --> 00:59:21,480 they did attend some I would certainly think that maybe a partial refund would 728 00:59:19,380 --> 00:59:24,180 be available but that was I also want to know if the class was full because if 729 00:59:22,740 --> 00:59:28,260 somebody else lost an opportunity to join the class 730 00:59:26,220 --> 00:59:33,119 you know that's another but if we're sure that it was just kind 731 00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:39,059 of a drop in I could clarify that but I believe that there was still opportunity 732 00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:43,819 for others to still enroll and it did not impact the program 733 00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:50,700 again the argument if you sign up for a class in three or four classes and you 734 00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:55,319 decide to take the class somewhere else doesn't necessarily be getting a refund 735 00:59:52,619 --> 00:59:58,380 on that class yeah we're not dealing with for medical reasons the individual 736 00:59:56,819 --> 01:00:03,180 had to stop coming or family relocated and it 737 01:00:01,980 --> 01:00:08,640 wasn't you know they had to move to the city 738 01:00:05,339 --> 01:00:12,839 and it wasn't convenient to come here okay 739 01:00:10,799 --> 01:00:17,520 so we're ready to to um vote on the resolution be resolved 740 01:00:14,760 --> 01:00:20,240 that council do not approve a refund all in favor 741 01:00:20,579 --> 01:00:25,280 opposed Carrie 742 01:00:29,940 --> 01:00:36,839 whereas the request has been presented to council to amend bylaw 743 01:00:34,160 --> 01:00:41,220 15-2015 to permit food cart vendors without owning slash operating and 744 01:00:39,359 --> 01:00:46,260 additional Food Service establishment and where is sufficient data has not 745 01:00:43,859 --> 01:00:50,940 been obtained to initiate changes to existing legislation and whereas the 746 01:00:48,900 --> 01:00:55,920 recommendation is to partake in a pilot project for information slash impact 747 01:00:53,280 --> 01:01:00,119 Gathering purposes therefore be it hereby resolve that Council authorized 748 01:00:58,020 --> 01:01:05,880 the CEO to implement a pilot project allowing a food cart Bender for the 2023 749 01:01:03,420 --> 01:01:09,119 season at the farmers market location only 750 01:01:07,260 --> 01:01:11,839 remover please councilman 751 01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:17,420 secondary please agenda 752 01:01:17,640 --> 01:01:26,339 discussion everybody had a chance to read the 753 01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:28,880 history discussion options and recommendations 754 01:01:29,099 --> 01:01:38,099 discussion yeah I was just curious you know how 755 01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:42,599 come we wouldn't expand this are we just the food so that you're talking about at 756 01:01:40,319 --> 01:01:47,040 that market that we have that no one in the rec center 757 01:01:44,280 --> 01:01:51,140 okay yeah hold on Glory 758 01:01:48,420 --> 01:01:51,140 that's fine 759 01:01:52,619 --> 01:01:57,000 Council General um 760 01:01:54,960 --> 01:02:01,500 just wondering if the ca over to give us a little bit of that and I might be a 761 01:01:59,579 --> 01:02:04,020 little ahead of the game sort of what sort of things you're going to be 762 01:02:02,339 --> 01:02:08,099 looking for as far as of being a pilot and what sort of things you're going to 763 01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:11,880 want to be that you think might be relevant to report back to council or am 764 01:02:10,020 --> 01:02:18,359 I a little early on this and you'll put that together and let us know closer to 765 01:02:14,880 --> 01:02:22,680 so I think that so my understanding is um 766 01:02:19,020 --> 01:02:27,480 the most sensitive piece of allowing food carts is within the downtown area 767 01:02:25,380 --> 01:02:32,520 and the competition to existing establishments Food Service 768 01:02:29,220 --> 01:02:37,680 establishments and so when when we look at what that pilot project looked like 769 01:02:34,859 --> 01:02:43,160 there's there's a few issues is a is is there sufficient data to see that there 770 01:02:39,780 --> 01:02:49,020 is there is an impact B it allows for Council and staff to take a look at the 771 01:02:45,960 --> 01:02:51,960 other possible impacts that having a food cart in the vicinity 772 01:02:51,299 --> 01:02:56,460 um can have that that we may not have 773 01:02:54,359 --> 01:03:01,140 thought about right is when we look at that and then B take a look at some of 774 01:02:58,920 --> 01:03:06,480 those impacts and bring that forward to discussion uh normally a food cart 775 01:03:03,480 --> 01:03:11,579 vending uh is not lumped in with another bylaw it does have its own specific 776 01:03:08,940 --> 01:03:14,900 bylaw and so my recommendation moving forward would be to be removing that out 777 01:03:13,799 --> 01:03:20,520 of bylaw 778 01:03:16,640 --> 01:03:23,819 15-2015 if it was to be permitted as there's other things so that it also 779 01:03:22,140 --> 01:03:30,480 gives Council the freedom to take a look at locations more time to digest does it 780 01:03:27,960 --> 01:03:36,540 work doesn't it work what the feedback from the community is because ultimately 781 01:03:32,819 --> 01:03:41,640 that's that's a huge driver in in making change in legislation 782 01:03:39,380 --> 01:03:45,660 yeah this this expands on my first question about you know expanding it 783 01:03:43,440 --> 01:03:47,940 Beyond where they are because um 784 01:03:46,380 --> 01:03:51,180 I don't know if any of you have but we've got numerous emails requests over 785 01:03:49,799 --> 01:03:55,380 the years you know if we have a bad note till 10 11 o'clock there's not a 786 01:03:53,460 --> 01:04:00,660 restaurant site that can provide a service so we also talked about having 787 01:03:57,299 --> 01:04:04,619 the food carts you know available within the downtown area 788 01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:08,460 because again we can all know that after six o'clock 789 01:04:06,900 --> 01:04:13,020 or seven o'clock sometimes there's nowhere to get a meal or a quick bite 790 01:04:11,460 --> 01:04:19,799 during bands or with the exception of boardwalkings 791 01:04:17,160 --> 01:04:23,640 maybe something we can sort of push out a little further on 792 01:04:21,299 --> 01:04:28,319 Council charts I thought that we had discussed um designating like we enabled 793 01:04:26,520 --> 01:04:32,400 this previously in designating an area for food carts because well I I think 794 01:04:30,900 --> 01:04:36,780 we're going to get into a really bad situation if we allow food carts there 795 01:04:34,440 --> 01:04:41,059 food carts here you know and I don't think the problem is having the food 796 01:04:39,240 --> 01:04:45,240 cart or food vendors the problem is that and and they're 797 01:04:43,559 --> 01:04:48,660 right if we need separate legislation for it is that as we discussed 798 01:04:47,040 --> 01:04:53,579 previously that you know there has to be some sort of concern for sanitation from 799 01:04:50,579 --> 01:04:58,740 washrooms for seating areas for garbage like you know I mean if we 800 01:04:56,220 --> 01:05:02,040 we have to have criteria that these people have to 801 01:04:59,880 --> 01:05:07,680 to adhere to and it's not so much that the other businesses aren't complacent 802 01:05:05,099 --> 01:05:11,819 it's that we all have to fall under the same guidelines and right now we have 803 01:05:09,839 --> 01:05:15,540 seem to have separate guidelines for food cars or vendors so what are you 804 01:05:14,040 --> 01:05:20,040 suggesting in terms of this this particular resolution 805 01:05:17,040 --> 01:05:27,359 I would say we need to look at I don't I'm opposed to 806 01:05:22,799 --> 01:05:30,780 pop-up food carts because it just it it this doesn't pop up this is somebody 807 01:05:28,859 --> 01:05:34,500 who's asking us permission to have a food right at the farmer's market 808 01:05:32,240 --> 01:05:38,520 exactly but then you know do they have washing facilities 809 01:05:36,900 --> 01:05:43,680 there do they have garbage receptacles do they have picnic tables you know what 810 01:05:40,079 --> 01:05:47,280 I mean a we we get that already there are people just walking along in the 811 01:05:45,480 --> 01:05:51,599 discs are in poutine containers and all kinds of stuff like I think from our 812 01:05:49,319 --> 01:05:56,339 standpoint is that you know trying to solve maybe a concern that somebody 813 01:05:53,339 --> 01:06:02,359 doesn't have a meal or they can't take a break and so on and so forth I mean we 814 01:05:59,640 --> 01:06:08,280 create another problem so is your suggestion 815 01:06:05,220 --> 01:06:11,160 like again having an expanded one or is your concern just with the farmer's 816 01:06:09,900 --> 01:06:14,460 market so um well they just with the farm well 817 01:06:13,079 --> 01:06:18,660 with the Farmers Market at person because we talked about putting a an 818 01:06:16,380 --> 01:06:21,359 area where all the food carts and all the common food trucks or whatever would 819 01:06:20,160 --> 01:06:26,220 go um my fear is and they had mentioned 820 01:06:24,240 --> 01:06:29,420 about Winnipeg and and I'm familiar with Winnipeg is that you're given an area 821 01:06:28,079 --> 01:06:33,240 right but you just can't just indiscriminately put a food cart 822 01:06:31,380 --> 01:06:36,380 somewhere go ahead Council agenda 823 01:06:36,660 --> 01:06:42,839 all of these my understanding is all these things that have been raised by 824 01:06:40,500 --> 01:06:46,500 councilman Jarvis and Concert Hall are things that will be taken into 825 01:06:44,579 --> 01:06:51,059 consideration right now we are looking at preventing a food cart at the Farmers 826 01:06:49,680 --> 01:06:57,180 Market to as a pilot project to see how does it 827 01:06:55,200 --> 01:07:03,000 go how is it receive what are the things we need to consider moving forward and 828 01:07:00,599 --> 01:07:07,079 let's say based on it we decide that yes we're going to move forward and expand 829 01:07:05,039 --> 01:07:11,579 the use of food carts what things have we learned and are 830 01:07:09,240 --> 01:07:16,740 learning from the food cart at the farmers market as far as 831 01:07:14,700 --> 01:07:21,480 things we need to consider as far as washrooms and receptacles this is the I 832 01:07:19,859 --> 01:07:27,180 mean these are the individuals running the farmers market who are are making 833 01:07:25,079 --> 01:07:31,140 this request for at their Farmers Market well we know they have I mean they 834 01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:37,140 already have portable washrooms there and they have uh you know they have 835 01:07:34,680 --> 01:07:44,160 little seating areas for people there so this is just authorizing 836 01:07:40,500 --> 01:07:48,900 the CEO to implement the pilot project is what we're looking at here councilor 837 01:07:46,200 --> 01:07:53,780 again I would rather than just seeing a pile of projects I'd like to see an 838 01:07:50,640 --> 01:07:57,059 expanded uh throughout the town because we're not going to get a full 839 01:07:55,799 --> 01:08:00,480 Taste of what's happening in the Farmers Market oh it's going to affect the rest 840 01:07:58,680 --> 01:08:05,160 of town well it would it would seem to me that before we do that we might want 841 01:08:03,000 --> 01:08:10,380 to do a bit more homework however that's more pointful 842 01:08:07,859 --> 01:08:12,539 pardon me that's my point I think we need to look at this a little better 843 01:08:11,460 --> 01:08:16,500 than just you know have a pilot project thrown out 844 01:08:14,700 --> 01:08:19,859 there I think we need to sort of look at this a little better 845 01:08:18,660 --> 01:08:23,520 okay isn't that the purpose of a pilot 846 01:08:21,540 --> 01:08:28,140 project so that we can look at things and again I'm not I don't think we 847 01:08:25,859 --> 01:08:31,500 should just have the pilot project at the farmer's market it's about the 848 01:08:29,520 --> 01:08:35,699 talent I think we should look at it for the whole town not just the farmers 849 01:08:33,660 --> 01:08:40,319 market okay so you're you're saying yes we we should do a pilot project but not 850 01:08:37,859 --> 01:08:43,699 just at the farmer's market well I think it should be expanded okay 851 01:08:45,080 --> 01:08:52,080 and just to clarify my position on it um we had 852 01:08:50,279 --> 01:08:55,259 this I thought we had discussed a lot of this stuff with reference and and that's 853 01:08:53,640 --> 01:09:00,540 maybe where I'm confused is it about having food trucks Etc and what I don't 854 01:08:58,799 --> 01:09:04,859 want to get in you know every time I have a farmer's market or a special 855 01:09:02,759 --> 01:09:08,460 event and even like a harvest fest where we have things that all of a sudden 856 01:09:06,420 --> 01:09:12,600 there's a different set of rules for these where you're able to have food 857 01:09:10,199 --> 01:09:15,179 carts in the Farmers Market I think we need to look at it as a talents if 858 01:09:14,160 --> 01:09:18,000 you're going to let some of these people in 859 01:09:16,199 --> 01:09:21,900 um they have to as I've mentioned before their criteria has to meet that there's 860 01:09:19,980 --> 01:09:25,799 Health standards there's all kinds of things safety and so on and so forth 861 01:09:24,060 --> 01:09:29,040 that these people out and I don't want to Forfeit 862 01:09:27,179 --> 01:09:33,359 that um and I don't know if responsibilities right because they're 863 01:09:31,440 --> 01:09:38,759 within we've given them permission to do that and I want to make sure that all of 864 01:09:36,420 --> 01:09:42,179 the checkpoints are are looked after right and Council Jarvis we have had 865 01:09:40,440 --> 01:09:45,660 this conversation before and I think that the conversation has sort of gone 866 01:09:43,739 --> 01:09:50,699 in circles in this similar way that is happening tonight and I think that 867 01:09:48,779 --> 01:09:54,120 um some discussion was had about the fact that every food cart would have to 868 01:09:52,679 --> 01:09:58,260 be licensed and if they're licensed that means that they're insured and so that's 869 01:09:55,920 --> 01:10:02,699 already taken care of in terms of health concerns and all those kinds of things 870 01:09:59,880 --> 01:10:06,960 we've always gotten stuck on should we let one in and use as a pilot project 871 01:10:05,219 --> 01:10:10,260 should we just open it up completely before we open it up completely should 872 01:10:08,940 --> 01:10:15,540 we be sitting and talking to the other businesses in town what should we do 873 01:10:12,960 --> 01:10:22,380 and we've gone in circles around that with no decision being made and so 874 01:10:20,219 --> 01:10:26,699 um I think this was the opportunity when someone approached our CEO saying could 875 01:10:24,659 --> 01:10:31,320 we have a food cart next year so not saying next weekend they're saying next 876 01:10:29,040 --> 01:10:36,360 year could we have a food cart available at the farmer's market now we 877 01:10:34,380 --> 01:10:41,040 might want to expand that to include other things 878 01:10:38,760 --> 01:10:45,600 um at some point we're not creating policy here we're we're saying either 879 01:10:43,440 --> 01:10:52,199 yes or no to this food cart at the food truck and at the at the Starbucks market 880 01:10:49,380 --> 01:10:58,860 and if this Council thinks it's important that we look at food trucks 881 01:10:55,199 --> 01:11:02,940 downtown Winnipeg Beach for 2023 before doing this pilot project we can 882 01:11:00,540 --> 01:11:07,199 certainly put that on an agenda and have a full discussion about that and ask our 883 01:11:04,980 --> 01:11:11,400 CEO to come up with policy and those kinds of things that doesn't prohibit us 884 01:11:09,179 --> 01:11:14,880 voting on this right now um 885 01:11:13,020 --> 01:11:17,880 those are my just my thoughts right now counselor who will and then councilor 886 01:11:16,320 --> 01:11:21,960 General yeah I agree with your thoughts I think we need to but I I do think we 887 01:11:20,520 --> 01:11:26,159 need to look at the town as a whole before we agree to this that's my 888 01:11:24,239 --> 01:11:30,659 opinion so so just a point of clarification for 889 01:11:28,800 --> 01:11:34,860 myself when we're looking at the town of a whole how will that inform this 890 01:11:32,100 --> 01:11:38,580 decision about this food card well I I can't agree on this yet unless we do it 891 01:11:36,719 --> 01:11:42,360 as a as a town thing I understand that this is for the farmer's market but this 892 01:11:40,080 --> 01:11:47,580 opens up other doors I think we have to have further discussions Council General 893 01:11:45,120 --> 01:11:53,460 um so um I don't know I I sorry I'm just a 894 01:11:50,760 --> 01:11:57,540 little not clear on what was discussed about this with this Council and what 895 01:11:55,620 --> 01:12:01,140 was discussed about this before this farmer's market request came to the 896 01:11:59,159 --> 01:12:05,580 previous Council and they chose to table that didn't want to make a decision and 897 01:12:03,300 --> 01:12:10,080 tabled it for the new Council so I'm not sure if this Council has seen this 898 01:12:07,739 --> 01:12:16,620 farmer's market request but it was put in quite some time ago 899 01:12:12,239 --> 01:12:21,239 um my question is if we go with this um pilot project for the farmers market 900 01:12:18,860 --> 01:12:26,219 we're not limiting ourselves to that early if we have time for additional 901 01:12:23,340 --> 01:12:31,860 discussion to to test it out in other areas can we do that as well or are we 902 01:12:29,280 --> 01:12:35,100 limiting ourselves because I certainly Council holds making some really good 903 01:12:33,659 --> 01:12:41,219 points about we've discussed this before about other areas are we limiting 904 01:12:37,140 --> 01:12:46,620 ourselves to Justice or can we do other um testing or or whatever to determine 905 01:12:44,699 --> 01:12:51,900 whether or not we can do it downtown as well so that that option is available 906 01:12:49,560 --> 01:12:55,140 when we look at the way that this is reading now in reference to that 907 01:12:53,460 --> 01:13:01,380 particular location and that location only at this time it prohibits it 908 01:12:58,620 --> 01:13:05,520 prohibits from anyone else saying well you've allowed that this it's not as if 909 01:13:03,840 --> 01:13:11,540 you're changing your legislation the current legislation still is intact 910 01:13:08,000 --> 01:13:16,739 whereas food vendors are still authorized under bylaw 911 01:13:13,940 --> 01:13:21,000 15-2015 provide with you know with providing that the owner operating 912 01:13:18,420 --> 01:13:27,960 additional Food Service establishment so that that existing legislation is in 913 01:13:24,179 --> 01:13:34,860 existence this resolution does not amend that legislation this is just allowing 914 01:13:30,780 --> 01:13:39,540 for a basically a one-year one this is not allowing that farmers market on a 915 01:13:37,199 --> 01:13:47,600 continual basis to continue to operate this is just in order to a get the 916 01:13:44,120 --> 01:13:52,440 resident feedback as to whether or not food cart vendors is something that they 917 01:13:50,280 --> 01:13:57,540 want within the community if there is another opportunity to have 918 01:13:54,780 --> 01:14:02,400 um so the ideal with this as a pilot project is it's consistent 919 01:13:59,640 --> 01:14:07,199 so we know that that it's there every every weekend it's not sporadic so it's 920 01:14:05,100 --> 01:14:12,719 easy to to monitor to some extent if there is 921 01:14:10,080 --> 01:14:18,140 another option to be looking at after hours food cart if if a lot of 922 01:14:14,940 --> 01:14:23,640 challenges do not surface and a lot of perceptions are debunked at that point 923 01:14:21,300 --> 01:14:29,159 because there is some sensitivity with with this and if some of those concerns 924 01:14:27,300 --> 01:14:34,020 are alleviated and it seems to be working really well expanding for a 925 01:14:32,100 --> 01:14:39,000 downtown area what does that look like at any time Council can deliberate and 926 01:14:36,960 --> 01:14:43,440 look at what can be permitted and what cannot be permitted and adjust 927 01:14:40,679 --> 01:14:51,719 legislation accordingly if there is the opportunity for a downtown after hours 928 01:14:47,540 --> 01:14:57,360 vendor as well as to further expand within this option before permanently 929 01:14:54,060 --> 01:15:01,920 changing legislation 100 Council can enter into okay so we're not limiting 930 01:14:59,400 --> 01:15:06,900 ourselves to just this correct could after further discussion decide okay and 931 01:15:04,560 --> 01:15:10,739 maybe do we'd like to Pilot food vendors on handstand nights and see how that 932 01:15:08,820 --> 01:15:17,520 goes before we change the legislation correct okay we had food vendors 933 01:15:14,040 --> 01:15:24,060 knocking at our door yes we have had food vendors in the past yes as well as 934 01:15:20,340 --> 01:15:29,580 as well as the public the questions um councilor Jarvis and I 935 01:15:26,640 --> 01:15:33,360 it's not that we're I'm not against food carts and I'm not against food trucks 936 01:15:31,860 --> 01:15:39,900 I'm not against any of those things but my concern is always being who controls 937 01:15:36,659 --> 01:15:43,860 it now do we control it or do we by when I say as a pilot project do we give it 938 01:15:41,880 --> 01:15:47,280 to the farmers market because there's a there's an awful lot of criteria there's 939 01:15:45,600 --> 01:15:51,239 an awful lot of standards and rules and regulations and policies and procedures 940 01:15:49,500 --> 01:15:54,960 that apply to these things um and are we going to be able to have 941 01:15:53,400 --> 01:15:58,140 input into that it's one thing to have a pilot project and say okay you can go 942 01:15:56,580 --> 01:16:01,260 ahead and do that but if we have if we stand back and then we watch things 943 01:15:59,640 --> 01:16:06,480 happen and they shouldn't happen that way how do we how do we interact and do 944 01:16:03,900 --> 01:16:11,580 that correct so so this resolution is just authorizing the CEO to move forward 945 01:16:08,640 --> 01:16:17,640 to create that level of agreement with that organization and so when we look at 946 01:16:14,340 --> 01:16:22,380 the looking at other past legislation and bylaws that other communities have 947 01:16:20,040 --> 01:16:26,940 governed food cart vendors proof of insurance all of those things would be 948 01:16:24,239 --> 01:16:31,679 part uh and parcel as to the agreement that must be provided and so at that 949 01:16:29,520 --> 01:16:36,300 point it is it's not as simple as this resolution has passed and it's a done 950 01:16:34,020 --> 01:16:40,739 deal so now it's then this is initiating it looking at what that agreement looks 951 01:16:38,640 --> 01:16:46,260 like looking at the requirements that Council wants to have as part of the 952 01:16:43,560 --> 01:16:48,960 provisions as part of this project that still needs to be determined at that 953 01:16:48,000 --> 01:16:54,719 point Castle Hill so in here it doesn't 954 01:16:51,719 --> 01:16:57,600 mention excuse me times of operation does that does this mean that they can 955 01:16:56,280 --> 01:17:01,440 only operate while the farmer's market is open or they can can use those 956 01:16:59,400 --> 01:17:05,820 grounds when there is no Farmers Market happening 957 01:17:02,699 --> 01:17:09,980 so it was it was based on the assumption that when the farmer's market was 958 01:17:07,560 --> 01:17:09,980 happening 959 01:17:10,920 --> 01:17:18,420 So So currently I can look at changing as part of the project and that's where 960 01:17:15,840 --> 01:17:24,300 again this is just initiating a pilot project it's not outlining the project 961 01:17:20,880 --> 01:17:30,659 itself and so when we look at specifics such as requirements times of operation 962 01:17:27,659 --> 01:17:35,460 that's outlined in the agreement this is just initiating the fact that 963 01:17:33,120 --> 01:17:38,820 it's going forward on on saying yes we're going to allow this what does this 964 01:17:37,080 --> 01:17:43,699 pilot project look like yeah I I would just like to see it as a 965 01:17:40,980 --> 01:17:43,699 whole that's all 966 01:17:43,980 --> 01:17:49,920 thank you I understand that you you would like this so that you could move 967 01:17:48,600 --> 01:17:54,659 forward with starting to have some initial discussions uh it's not so much 968 01:17:52,199 --> 01:17:59,400 I'm I would like this this is up to the council to decide if they would like 969 01:17:56,340 --> 01:18:06,000 this uh this is an option for Council to look at having a food cart 970 01:18:03,239 --> 01:18:12,600 um operating without the current provisions of bylaw 15-2015 without 971 01:18:09,540 --> 01:18:17,159 permanently changing legislation Council General I promised my last 972 01:18:15,000 --> 01:18:23,520 comments okay I think this is a nice controllable manner in which 973 01:18:20,340 --> 01:18:29,760 um gives us an opportunity to um look at a what's important to us for 974 01:18:26,820 --> 01:18:35,400 requirements b um testing them out testing the waters 975 01:18:32,280 --> 01:18:40,500 on what we're looking for again in a controllable manner so that if at the 976 01:18:38,280 --> 01:18:44,159 end of the pilot or even maybe part way through the pilot if it's very 977 01:18:42,060 --> 01:18:49,980 successful we want to start looking at changing we have 978 01:18:47,400 --> 01:18:54,960 um some good groundwork to help us change our legislation if that's the 979 01:18:51,600 --> 01:18:59,340 road we're going in as opposed to spreading it all out and while these are 980 01:18:57,840 --> 01:19:05,159 the issues here and those are the issues there and and then we're just I Envision 981 01:19:01,800 --> 01:19:10,260 us having to look at so much and and and not being able to maintain our focus and 982 01:19:08,219 --> 01:19:16,679 change that we may want to see happen not happening because we've not done an 983 01:19:14,760 --> 01:19:22,500 in-depth look that's manageable initially well one of the things that 984 01:19:18,420 --> 01:19:28,199 occurs to me that if if this happens um NFR CAO can figure out a policy with 985 01:19:26,520 --> 01:19:31,620 them policies and procedures and what they would have to follow and what that 986 01:19:29,580 --> 01:19:35,280 would look like then we would have a template with which we could be sitting 987 01:19:33,840 --> 01:19:38,280 down with our local businesses and saying 988 01:19:36,540 --> 01:19:41,400 we're thinking about getting food carts in here and these are the policies and 989 01:19:39,840 --> 01:19:43,800 procedures they would have to follow so that we're not just going to that empty 990 01:19:42,840 --> 01:19:46,980 hand and saying well we're not quite sure how they would run it but they 991 01:19:45,060 --> 01:19:49,760 would run and and what the policies would be comfortable 992 01:19:51,020 --> 01:19:55,920 again this is for the farmer's market we're not going to have a whole lot of 993 01:19:54,420 --> 01:19:59,940 Leverage here once we agree with this too 994 01:19:57,540 --> 01:20:04,580 because it's if we agree with food carts it's the farmer's market food carts have 995 01:20:01,679 --> 01:20:04,580 nothing to do with the town 996 01:20:04,980 --> 01:20:10,620 what kind of Leverage do we have if something's going selfish there's a 997 01:20:08,340 --> 01:20:16,260 bunch of complaints from the from the local business owners like 998 01:20:14,040 --> 01:20:20,460 we don't have a whole lot of uh rent here to sink our teeth to do if 999 01:20:18,840 --> 01:20:25,860 something's not going right so that's where it would be when you're 1000 01:20:22,800 --> 01:20:31,500 looking for the grit that would be identified in the agreement that would 1001 01:20:27,900 --> 01:20:36,300 need to be signed by this as a pilot project the agreement 1002 01:20:34,320 --> 01:20:42,480 in order to say these are our expectations this is if if there is x 1003 01:20:40,199 --> 01:20:47,280 amount of uh or problematic let's say with litter you could have a provision 1004 01:20:44,040 --> 01:20:52,080 within that agreement that if there is a significant increase in litter uh that 1005 01:20:50,280 --> 01:20:55,080 the amendment can be terminated it will no longer be permitted for the rest of 1006 01:20:53,460 --> 01:21:00,120 the season that should have been put on the table before like you know included 1007 01:20:58,140 --> 01:21:04,739 in a resolution too early 1008 01:21:02,100 --> 01:21:08,400 um and I just wanted clarify what you're saying because it 1009 01:21:06,480 --> 01:21:13,679 and like Gene this would be the last thing I said I'd say um we are going to 1010 01:21:11,159 --> 01:21:19,020 establish the criteria for the farmers market for their food vendor like we're 1011 01:21:17,040 --> 01:21:22,560 going to say here is what our pilot project will include this you need to 1012 01:21:20,699 --> 01:21:26,580 have this this so we're going to establish that criteria that's correct 1013 01:21:24,600 --> 01:21:32,400 otherwise they don't get a food card correct okay but I just wanted I yeah 1014 01:21:29,640 --> 01:21:37,739 because and again that was my fear is that you know if we pass I don't like 1015 01:21:34,980 --> 01:21:42,239 the 2015 bylaw any more than anybody else and I think sometimes the badger 1016 01:21:40,199 --> 01:21:46,560 the local businesses they're not against food carts either 1017 01:21:44,400 --> 01:21:50,219 but we want to make sure that we're all played by the same rules if you're 1018 01:21:47,880 --> 01:21:53,760 allowed to you know take a penalty and I'm not allowed to take a penalty then 1019 01:21:51,840 --> 01:21:59,280 it's two different sets of rules correct and that's why that's why the food cart 1020 01:21:56,280 --> 01:22:04,260 vendors generally have their own bylaw itself that clearly outlines and it can 1021 01:22:02,100 --> 01:22:07,380 be as specific as each municipality chooses well they mentioned one thing 1022 01:22:05,880 --> 01:22:10,860 about the city of Winnipeg in a game I've mentioned before the city of 1023 01:22:08,940 --> 01:22:14,640 Winnipeg has a whole different ballgame including common laws and everything 1024 01:22:12,659 --> 01:22:21,000 your carts have to go where they tell you to go the criteria is crippling as 1025 01:22:18,360 --> 01:22:25,560 well as the costs so right now as part of through this the way that legislation 1026 01:22:23,100 --> 01:22:30,780 is written food cart vendor would be subject to the 75 Dollar 1027 01:22:28,100 --> 01:22:34,679 business license that that every other business is so in the city of Winnipeg 1028 01:22:32,520 --> 01:22:39,480 to operate a food cart at a specific location that the city has identified 1029 01:22:37,020 --> 01:22:44,179 those costs to have that through the season can range anywhere between 2500 1030 01:22:41,880 --> 01:22:44,179 and 3 1031 01:22:44,960 --> 01:22:51,360 but there's also things where you have to bring your cart to their 1032 01:22:49,080 --> 01:22:54,480 parking lot and they they store it for you and they check all that the city of 1033 01:22:53,040 --> 01:22:59,400 Winnipeg does that has nothing to do with the farmer's market okay correct 1034 01:22:57,060 --> 01:23:03,480 and so that's where when we look at how in-depth legislation goes without really 1035 01:23:01,920 --> 01:23:09,360 just stepping a little bit into to what what 1036 01:23:07,199 --> 01:23:13,920 is valuable we are not the city of Winnipeg and so those rules and 1037 01:23:11,040 --> 01:23:19,080 regulations may not fit here and so it's what is the fit here is the so when we 1038 01:23:16,620 --> 01:23:23,699 look at the downtown area is part of that bylaw saying you know what a food 1039 01:23:21,120 --> 01:23:27,300 cart is permitted after hours at do and then do those locations still need to 1040 01:23:26,040 --> 01:23:30,960 require um portable washrooms like and so 1041 01:23:29,219 --> 01:23:36,360 there's lots to think about before really actually sitting down and writing 1042 01:23:33,960 --> 01:23:41,880 formal legislation that's just going to be permitted and once it's permitted any 1043 01:23:39,420 --> 01:23:46,320 how many are permitted so there's lots of things for Council to consider when 1044 01:23:43,739 --> 01:23:50,280 looking at this and so this is a way to address from what I understand and 1045 01:23:48,480 --> 01:23:55,140 identified meat where there has been several requests being being made in a 1046 01:23:52,980 --> 01:24:03,360 controlled environment where we can monitor some of the problem areas 1047 01:23:59,900 --> 01:24:09,360 with minimal impact two legis legislation and therefore 1048 01:24:06,800 --> 01:24:13,920 minimizing any risk of well if they are allowed why can't I because it's 1049 01:24:11,280 --> 01:24:18,060 specifically outlined by a signed pot like agreement under a pilot Project 1050 01:24:15,840 --> 01:24:22,280 without change of legislation Council yeah I just want to report on this one 1051 01:24:20,100 --> 01:24:22,280 again 1052 01:24:22,739 --> 01:24:24,860 um 1053 01:24:25,380 --> 01:24:31,679 so is it possible then as a way of starting that 1054 01:24:30,540 --> 01:24:40,260 um our CAO could bring to us the outline of 1055 01:24:37,800 --> 01:24:45,600 an agreement that we would enter into or that we would present to the 1056 01:24:42,719 --> 01:24:50,520 Farmers Market I think you have people are getting hung 1057 01:24:47,580 --> 01:24:55,920 up so we can change the resolution for the therefore be resolved that Council 1058 01:24:52,560 --> 01:24:58,520 authorized the Cao to 1059 01:25:04,820 --> 01:25:12,739 present a pilot project allowing food cart to present 1060 01:25:14,400 --> 01:25:23,179 pilot project allowing a food cart vendor for the 2023 season at the 1061 01:25:20,100 --> 01:25:27,739 farmer's market law location only present a pilot project 1062 01:25:29,420 --> 01:25:35,840 foreign Council approval 1063 01:25:39,540 --> 01:25:48,659 for so therefore be it hereby resolve that 1064 01:25:44,940 --> 01:25:54,719 Council authorized the CEOs to present for Council approval a pilot project 1065 01:25:51,840 --> 01:25:59,100 allowing a food cart vendor at the 2023 season at the farmers market location 1066 01:25:56,580 --> 01:26:05,639 only so therefore this resolution will allow me to work within creating a bit 1067 01:26:03,179 --> 01:26:11,520 of a template agreement for Council review to see if there are amendments to 1068 01:26:08,159 --> 01:26:15,360 what's being proposed and have that in prior to then initiating the project 1069 01:26:14,280 --> 01:26:18,960 itself is there any plan to talk with other 1070 01:26:17,460 --> 01:26:24,120 businesses before we agree to something like this like in an open Forum Maybe 1071 01:26:21,480 --> 01:26:27,960 so so when we looked at at this particular things it's my understanding 1072 01:26:26,159 --> 01:26:33,300 that the businesses that were impacted were the downtown area and because this 1073 01:26:30,960 --> 01:26:40,560 location is not within that downtown area the intent is offering this locate 1074 01:26:36,719 --> 01:26:45,719 this pilot project one vendor only not in the downtown area to open those 1075 01:26:42,840 --> 01:26:51,000 discussions for changing permanently changing legislation and therefore 1076 01:26:48,000 --> 01:26:55,500 involving local businesses thank you 1077 01:26:52,980 --> 01:26:58,739 Kelsey Kozlowski if we don't make this resolution 1078 01:26:57,480 --> 01:27:03,480 for not only the farmers market but the 1079 01:27:00,960 --> 01:27:07,080 whole town would have picked each when are we going to revisit that again is 1080 01:27:05,460 --> 01:27:13,199 there going to be time to revisit in the summer to include the rest of the beach 1081 01:27:10,080 --> 01:27:17,659 area that's an example that's one of the things I was going to suggest is that 1082 01:27:14,760 --> 01:27:22,440 once we have a look at the recommendations in terms of this 1083 01:27:20,460 --> 01:27:30,179 pilot project whether we should be putting on our agenda for February 1084 01:27:26,340 --> 01:27:35,580 or March to have a full discussion about the process to look at Food vendors 1085 01:27:33,120 --> 01:27:40,380 downtown and that and part of that process I think would be meeting with 1086 01:27:38,100 --> 01:27:43,260 the with the local businesses um having some discussion with them 1087 01:27:41,699 --> 01:27:46,800 about some of the concerns about not having access to food and coffee and 1088 01:27:45,840 --> 01:27:50,460 stuff um did your evenings or Sunday 1089 01:27:48,060 --> 01:27:54,780 afternoons those kinds of things um 1090 01:27:52,139 --> 01:28:00,000 and having a full discussion about food vendors 1091 01:27:57,239 --> 01:28:03,179 councilor Jarvis is it possible to have this um 1092 01:28:01,500 --> 01:28:09,239 what you described with the resolution in within the next 30 to 60 days at the 1093 01:28:06,360 --> 01:28:15,480 next meeting or the second next meeting uh absolutely yeah so that we can yeah 1094 01:28:13,040 --> 01:28:21,480 the way you just read the resolution if example in January through week January 1095 01:28:18,659 --> 01:28:25,020 we have this ready to discuss it but I I and I think we can probably get a few 1096 01:28:23,400 --> 01:28:28,860 business people involved in it if you want to and heaven forbid that I've said 1097 01:28:26,639 --> 01:28:31,980 the word special meeting but um if you want to get some sort of a meeting 1098 01:28:29,940 --> 01:28:36,500 together with three or four people then and get them to establish criteria 1099 01:28:36,719 --> 01:28:40,760 well we're talking about two different things 1100 01:28:41,040 --> 01:28:50,100 yeah right but what I'm saying is that is this is about putting together policy 1101 01:28:46,860 --> 01:28:53,820 policies and plans for a food cart at the farmer's market where you know 1102 01:28:52,380 --> 01:28:58,440 and once we take a look at some of those 1103 01:28:55,620 --> 01:29:02,639 preliminary policies and procedures then having a fuller discussion about 1104 01:29:01,139 --> 01:29:07,500 what we want to do with downtown Winnipeg Beach and that would include 1105 01:29:05,400 --> 01:29:12,000 talking to restaurants and business owners down here no I understand okay so 1106 01:29:10,380 --> 01:29:17,760 my question is once we agree to this are we saying to the farmer's market they 1107 01:29:14,639 --> 01:29:23,639 can have we are saying our CEO can put together a policy and procedure that 1108 01:29:21,239 --> 01:29:27,080 you'll bring back to council we're going to establish correct here 1109 01:29:27,300 --> 01:29:34,980 and it's not actually a policy and a procedure it is an outline of the pilot 1110 01:29:32,639 --> 01:29:40,980 project and things that are going to be considered for the pilot project 1111 01:29:38,760 --> 01:29:45,360 and the whole idea behind a pilot project is you learn from it and you 1112 01:29:43,860 --> 01:29:48,840 learn things that you have in there maybe don't work or aren't necessary and 1113 01:29:47,280 --> 01:29:52,980 things that you might have missed need to be added so 1114 01:29:50,760 --> 01:30:00,000 I haven't seen this resolution as a start yeah to but a start in a 1115 01:29:56,760 --> 01:30:03,540 controlled manner that you know instead of 1116 01:30:00,659 --> 01:30:08,940 that we can learn from and grow from and and 1117 01:30:06,000 --> 01:30:14,639 from there then so let's just hypothetically say it all 1118 01:30:12,900 --> 01:30:18,360 gets put together everything's on there that Council agrees with and and then 1119 01:30:16,800 --> 01:30:22,620 it's a goal we have separate discussions 1120 01:30:21,060 --> 01:30:27,060 what I'm understanding from mayor Jackson is which would then lead to 1121 01:30:24,300 --> 01:30:31,860 separate discussions that could involve the business Community about and how can 1122 01:30:29,400 --> 01:30:35,940 we move forward downtown right so why don't we yes and that's my point with 1123 01:30:34,380 --> 01:30:40,860 any pilot project you usually have all your research before you you know you 1124 01:30:38,880 --> 01:30:47,100 might try something and then fall off the cliff and that's what I think just 1125 01:30:43,820 --> 01:30:50,460 what I think we need to do is again get the businesses involved before because 1126 01:30:49,139 --> 01:30:55,260 they might come up with some really good ideas as well that we can 1127 01:30:53,040 --> 01:30:59,460 put into this pilot project before we I'm just saying it's middle of winter 1128 01:30:57,300 --> 01:31:02,760 time nobody it might be the time to do it so it would seem to me that we are 1129 01:31:01,380 --> 01:31:05,040 going around the circles and sort of saying the same thing over and over 1130 01:31:03,780 --> 01:31:10,080 we're saying two different things yeah so I'm wondering whether we can simply 1131 01:31:07,080 --> 01:31:18,060 go to vote on this and either pass it or not or table or table 1132 01:31:12,900 --> 01:31:22,020 so this is to authorize the CAO to um 1133 01:31:18,659 --> 01:31:27,300 present for Council approval procedures around pilot project for a 1134 01:31:25,020 --> 01:31:31,620 food cart vendor in the farmers market location 1135 01:31:29,040 --> 01:31:36,980 and I understand the recorded vote was requested 1136 01:31:32,659 --> 01:31:36,980 okay so all in favor 1137 01:31:39,360 --> 01:31:45,360 and uh a post for the table 1138 01:31:44,400 --> 01:31:48,020 okay carried 1139 01:31:53,520 --> 01:31:59,580 be it hereby resolve that the ca'll be authorized to sign the service contract 1140 01:31:57,719 --> 01:32:04,040 between the town of Winnipeg Beach and steric cycle shred it for shredding 1141 01:32:01,679 --> 01:32:04,040 services 1142 01:32:07,260 --> 01:32:13,520 Council Jarvis second to please counselor Kozlowski 1143 01:32:14,820 --> 01:32:17,420 discussion 1144 01:32:22,380 --> 01:32:29,659 discussion anybody all in favor 1145 01:32:27,000 --> 01:32:29,659 Gary 1146 01:32:31,860 --> 01:32:40,500 so rental agreement use the facility uh just a CAO report and current rental 1147 01:32:37,260 --> 01:32:45,179 agreement there is no resolution at this time that I could think of for Council 1148 01:32:42,300 --> 01:32:51,380 however if uh after reviewing that Council would uh 1149 01:32:47,219 --> 01:32:51,380 want to set direction to the CEO 1150 01:32:53,880 --> 01:33:04,080 I think that we probably need to have a clearer understanding with the renter 1151 01:33:01,380 --> 01:33:07,739 in terms of the function and use of the facility 1152 01:33:06,239 --> 01:33:11,639 and I understand we probably can't change it now because we've signed it 1153 01:33:09,420 --> 01:33:16,020 into the 28th until October 2024 is that correct that's correct 1154 01:33:13,739 --> 01:33:19,280 however agreements can be amended if both parties are 1155 01:33:21,360 --> 01:33:26,820 this is not the first time that we've had some concerns 1156 01:33:25,139 --> 01:33:28,880 about having um 1157 01:33:31,980 --> 01:33:38,639 different functions happening on the on the main level of the rec center while 1158 01:33:36,540 --> 01:33:44,060 the canteen was open and so I think that we're going to need some 1159 01:33:40,260 --> 01:33:44,060 for the clarity to the agreement 1160 01:33:44,280 --> 01:33:47,480 what do other people think 1161 01:33:48,000 --> 01:33:56,159 Council Jarvis are we talking about to the letter that was sent to the CIO 1162 01:33:52,980 --> 01:33:59,760 about this because I think you know what it's the cost of doing business 1163 01:33:58,199 --> 01:34:02,699 you know what I mean like I don't want to complain but I mean 1164 01:34:01,260 --> 01:34:06,060 we're talking about things like parking and so on and so forth but 1165 01:34:04,440 --> 01:34:09,060 that happens all the time every time they close Main Street for a function 1166 01:34:07,500 --> 01:34:12,960 there's a dozen businesses down there that are affected you know what I mean I 1167 01:34:11,159 --> 01:34:17,340 just think it's it's craziness like even Boardwalk days shuts the place down for 1168 01:34:15,659 --> 01:34:21,780 five straight days you know like 1169 01:34:19,380 --> 01:34:25,380 the people in terms of this particular issue 1170 01:34:22,860 --> 01:34:28,560 to Jenna I have to heard of counselor Jarvis 1171 01:34:26,400 --> 01:34:33,420 um I also noticed that there were things included in that letter to the CIO 1172 01:34:31,679 --> 01:34:37,280 that aren't part of the agreement so I'm not sure where the expectation comes 1173 01:34:35,159 --> 01:34:37,280 from 1174 01:34:39,300 --> 01:34:47,100 and I know this is going to be like a humorous part but parking big deal I 1175 01:34:45,300 --> 01:34:52,800 talk about it all the time you know what I mean it's crazy 1176 01:34:49,880 --> 01:34:57,360 I was waiting I was wondering you know what I mean but and back like to back up 1177 01:34:55,260 --> 01:35:00,900 Gene who backed up me is that it's a cost of doing business you know what I 1178 01:34:59,280 --> 01:35:03,480 mean like Barry himself has said that you know he knows people that don't come 1179 01:35:02,280 --> 01:35:07,260 downtown in the middle of the summer it's a hot Saturday because they can't 1180 01:35:04,980 --> 01:35:12,440 they won't get into a business things happen okay 1181 01:35:09,179 --> 01:35:12,440 other other comments 1182 01:35:14,940 --> 01:35:19,100 comment clarify no further action by the CEO 1183 01:35:26,040 --> 01:35:35,880 be adhered by a result that Council move in camera at 7 35 pm to discuss matters 1184 01:35:33,480 --> 01:35:39,300 that are in the preliminary stages and further be it resolved that any matters 1185 01:35:37,560 --> 01:35:43,980 discussed while in camera are held confidential until such time is 1186 01:35:40,980 --> 01:35:49,020 discussed in open Council remover please master who 1187 01:35:45,960 --> 01:35:53,159 secondary please Council Jervis all in favor 1188 01:35:50,639 --> 01:35:55,219 Gary thank you 1189 02:01:52,340 --> 02:01:55,520 for dinner 1190 02:01:55,800 --> 02:01:58,800 foreign 1191 02:02:03,500 --> 02:02:13,580 moves out of camera at 9 40 pm and for 8 40 p.m and resumes the regular meeting 1192 02:02:10,860 --> 02:02:13,580 of council 1193 02:02:14,639 --> 02:02:17,659 can I get a mover please 1194 02:02:17,960 --> 02:02:26,099 secondary counselor Jarvis all in favor 1195 02:02:24,000 --> 02:02:31,619 carry be it hereby resolve that Council does 1196 02:02:28,440 --> 02:02:36,659 adjourn at 8 40 pm to meet again on January 11 2023 at 6 PM for the 1197 02:02:34,560 --> 02:02:40,739 committee of the whole meeting get a mover please 1198 02:02:37,980 --> 02:02:44,420 councilor Jarvis secondary please councilor jaslowski 1199 02:02:44,760 --> 02:02:48,599 all in favor Carrie