[0:35] to screw up okay
[0:40] I'll call the meeting yeah we can go
live Jody
[0:55] good okay I'll call the regular meeting
of council
[0:59] to order six o'clock December 21st 2022.
[1:06] be it resolved that the agenda for the
December 21st 2022 regular meeting
[1:11] accounts will be approved
can I get a mover please
[1:17] Castor Jarvis
you get a secondary please count the
[1:21] Gendron
[1:23] all in favor
carried
[1:29] be it hereby resolve that the following
minutes be approved as circulated
[1:34] November 18 2022 special meeting
November 24th 2022's regular meeting
[1:40] December 7th 2022 special meeting
December 9th 2022 special meeting
[1:48] foreign
can I get a mover please
[1:52] Mr Kozlowski
[1:57] a secondary please answer Gendron
[2:01] Anybody Everybody had a chance to review
the minutes
[2:05] all in favor
Gary
[2:14] be it resolved that Council established
the following portfolio on committee
[2:18] appointments I need a mover please
that's a Jervis
[2:25] secondary please
cool
[2:31] okay this is just for discussion at this
point we had
[2:36] talked about changing the appointments
once we had our fifth counselor on and
[2:40] counselor Kozlowski has joined us
it's great and we both have we have both
[2:47] the internal committees the portfolios
as well as the external committees
[2:53] um
and I know that there's a couple of
[2:55] changes in the external committee's
right now the East Interlake planning
[3:01] district that I've been sitting on
um has have asked for a second counselor
[3:06] not
[3:09] um
not in case I can't make it but in fact
[3:14] they want two counselors from each RM or
municipality at the meeting
[3:21] and so I've asked councilor General and
if she wanted to be a part of that and
[3:25] she agreed
and there's also the
[3:31] East Interlake Watershed District
and counselor Jarvis was first assigned
[3:37] to that
committee and has expressed
[3:43] that he's no longer interested in that
committee and so I have agreed to go on
[3:49] that and and actually attended the last
East Interlake Watershed District
[3:53] committee meeting I think it was last
week
[3:57] so those two changes already stand
however
[4:01] um
[4:06] I would like to see
counselor Kozlowski representing us on
[4:12] some of the external committees and also
on some of the portfolios so I wanted to
[4:17] just open it up to discussion right now
we're not going to make any final
[4:21] decisions until the January meeting
but I wanted to start having some
[4:27] initial discussions now
one of my thoughts in terms of the
[4:31] portfolios was after our meeting with
um
[4:36] Dolores from the MSO she had talked
about whether in fact we needed
[4:41] portfolios or not
and whether that was
[4:47] a good use of staff and Council time
if
[4:52] our staff and managers are meeting with
our CAO every week and keeping her up to
[4:59] date on what's Happening does it make
sense to ask counselors to also set
[5:04] aside time for committee meetings to
meet with each of their portfolios
[5:09] um and so I'm opening that up for
discussion as well whether we should
[5:14] continue to have those portfolios or not
and if we do then
[5:20] um how we want to proceed forward
[5:26] thoughts
[5:31] do we have to meet that many times with
the ca once a week
[5:36] we're not maybe once or twice a month
or bring them in here and run a council
[5:42] um no it's the CAO who meets with her
staff every week and that's important
[5:46] because the CAO actually is is
a week for the CIO yes
[5:54] so it's it's been past practice
um initially as I get caught up with a
[5:59] lot of the files and and past
outstanding items
[6:05] um I I don't know if every week it will
be required I think if it is at that
[6:10] point it certainly won't take as long to
to do the refresher as it will right now
[6:17] so right now it is just getting a lot of
the history so although they're saying
[6:21] regarding whether it be well three or
well two right there's a lot of history
[6:26] behind a lot of what's Happening that I
don't have so I appreciate that being
[6:31] able to have those conversations of
where where we were as to why we're at
[6:36] where we are and what that plan is but
going forward that weekly meeting
[6:43] will be to be determined and if it is
it's certainly I don't see it being as
[6:50] in depth because with email
communication a lot of the time uh it is
[6:54] just a way of a good follow-up that I
can ensure that there are certain things
[6:59] on track and sometimes there is the
cross-reference between departments so
[7:03] if our works or utility was working with
recreation in something or vice versa
[7:08] the collaboration of having everyone at
one time
[7:13] feeds off feeds off that as
part of not leaving something left
[7:19] unturned right so
so I it's a little bit too new so
[7:24] um right now so I I don't know what that
looks like going forward but that has
[7:28] been what has happened past practice I'm
finding it beneficial at this point like
[7:33] I said but what that looks like going
forward uh to be determined
[7:40] so Mr clarify for concert Kozlowski
we're not attending those meetings
[7:44] that's not the meetings that's being
referred to as US attending with our
[7:47] portfolios and I'm I'm going to be
honest I know that the expectation
[7:53] um uh from Merrick Jackson when these
committees were set was that we meet
[7:57] monthly with our portfolio so that we
have an opportunity and this was prior
[8:01] to our discussions with the MSO was that
we would be meeting monthly with our
[8:05] portfolios
um I won't speak for others but that has
[8:09] not been happening with me
um
[8:12] okay they are meeting with the CAO
weekly
[8:17] met once just initially and have not had
the opportunity so
[8:23] I'm not sure about the whether it's
necessary with what was said as the
[8:29] expectation of those committees that
we'd be meeting with the monthly
[8:32] especially with the meeting with the CIO
and sort of a better understanding from
[8:37] a concept perspective of what is the
cio's role and what is mine as a
[8:41] counselor
[8:44] all right no I just Oh I thought you had
your
[8:47] no you were just moving your hands
around massaging my face massaging your
[8:49] face
um
[8:52] counselor cool how many uh committee
meetings are you having with Public
[8:56] Works Recreation and protective
environment and public health I'm
[8:59] Council Jonas mine are particularly over
the phone
[9:02] so your U.N Council Jarvis aren't having
committee meetings I work during the
[9:05] week so I can't I have to do my via
phone call
[9:09] so then councilor Jarvis started any of
those committee meetings then
[9:13] no well they don't take place I was only
the vice guy
[9:19] okay
so
[9:27] so then I guess I would put to counsel
whether it would make sense in fact to
[9:32] not have the portfolios
if we're not
[9:37] I mean we're not meeting with them on a
regular basis
[9:41] we can't direct any of their work all
the direction comes from the Cao
[9:46] um the updates come from the CIO and so
then I question what
[9:51] usefulness it would be for us to have
the portfolios besides taking up staff
[9:55] time telling us
stuff that that they're already telling
[9:59] our CIO
so I leave that for people to think
[10:02] about
and we can make a decision in January
[10:06] unless people have some ideas some
thoughts now in response
[10:13] well right now we've had an awful lot of
vehicles even as a council
[10:17] two three yeah four or five a month
so yeah
[10:22] and then other things I know
I don't have a problem with uh visiting
[10:29] this again in the spring
depending and with the flooding and so
[10:34] on and so forth and all the other stuff
that we had going on so
[10:39] yeah an idea maybe to have a counselor
present with the CEO and whatever
[10:45] manager you know I know that might be a
problem maybe night time or whatever
[10:49] some of us are working in that
just so that the council counselor knows
[10:55] what's going on and where's these
problems
[10:58] what what the MSO said though is she
said that some of the portfolios should
[11:02] stay the bigger portfolios she wasn't
she'd like to finance
[11:05] she found those portfolios important
Public Works
[11:09] I think I think if we have a specific
skill as well
[11:13] um
you know in in whatever portfolio we're
[11:17] managing
helps also uh sometimes the
[11:21] communication sometimes the
managers feel
[11:26] less threatened to open up to council
than they do the CEO and we bring
[11:30] forward their questions too
there's a lot said about having
[11:34] portfolios
so
[11:37] I I and another thing I mean
you know without portfolios it was it
[11:43] was discussed with previous Council that
we would all have to know a little bit
[11:46] about everything as well
and and that makes it tougher
[11:52] well I mean part of
part of the issue for me is
[11:58] staff shouldn't be going to counselors
staff should be going to their boss
[12:02] which is a CEO yeah sometimes they don't
though they're not comfortable right but
[12:07] then that's but then that's between the
CAO and the staff person to work out
[12:10] because I'm just letting you know what
happened yeah no I know you know I know
[12:14] but I'm just saying that puts the
counselor in a pretty awkward position
[12:18] because the counselor can't direct we
don't can't tell them what you do can't
[12:22] do any of those kinds of things and so
but we can bring that concern forward to
[12:26] this year
[12:29] I mean they're going to call us
regardless but I'm just saying if they
[12:33] feel comfortable with that particular
portfolio
[12:36] they meet very not question to council
they make it has happened before
[12:46] Council agenda
um
[12:50] I think in
um
[12:52] fairness to our new CIO that's a fine
line we need to walk
[12:58] um
I understand that staff may have had
[13:01] issues in the past but I just don't
I think we need to work on moving
[13:06] forward
um and not be putting ourselves in
[13:11] between our staff and our CIO
um
[13:16] staff are gonna we have managers that
if it's a manager they need to learn to
[13:21] have a level of comfort and if we are
running interference we're not helping
[13:26] with the fostering a healthy work
environment
[13:30] okay cancer cool I wasn't saying it was
interference it was simply a form of
[13:35] another form of communication for them
sorry I I and by running interference I
[13:40] just meant being in the middle of it
sorry uh Council Hall I didn't mean
[13:44] interfering it was I was using the term
as an expression not specifically my
[13:49] apologies it wasn't meant that way okay
[13:53] I had a question but it's um because I'm
and I don't know that I'm confused like
[13:58] if staff people are funny even managers
hypothetical Tim phones me at home which
[14:02] is never happened
um wouldn't I as a counselor though say
[14:07] refer her like what sort of
dialogue are we having do you know what
[14:14] I mean like
like it just seems if if there's an
[14:17] emergency situation and you're going
through phone numbers you know yeah you
[14:22] might want to no I'm talking like
seriously an emergency like if somebody
[14:24] somebody says look we're on fire or
something like that then you might want
[14:27] to but under every other Condition it's
like excuse me but we have somebody that
[14:31] you speak to that's right and what I
don't want to happen because you know
[14:35] because I I mean I I walk a lot and I
bump into Tim I bumped into Tyler the
[14:39] other day and we talk Golf and things
but like I don't want people to say that
[14:43] they can't talk to me you know what I
mean like if I go walking by Tyler that
[14:46] I want people people say well you know
because I always Tyler and I've talked
[14:50] for years because I know
yeah I mean I just I worry that maybe
[14:55] that would take place yeah this isn't
about not being able to talk I mean when
[14:59] I got into Joe where I run into Tim I
was like hey how are the kids how was
[15:03] the wife you know those kinds of things
this is about them calling us on Council
[15:07] business and right I just wanted that
character yeah that's why I want to make
[15:10] sure because I've never received any of
those calls right but I bump into people
[15:14] all the time yeah but if I were to get a
call from any of the managers for sure I
[15:18] would say why are you calling me about
this you need to talk to the school yeah
[15:21] but back to the emergency thing I mean
if somebody's phoning Me Maybe they've
[15:24] tried sharing and they can't get a hold
of her maybe they've tried unique and
[15:27] they're just going through it because
they've got a problem and they're
[15:29] starting to go through a phone directory
right but that's the extraordinary right
[15:33] so we've got to make sure that we're
being able to differentiate that okay so
[15:37] be prepared for our January Cal meeting
to make a decision on this and if in
[15:44] fact
um
[15:46] we decide to
um continue to have portfolios then I'll
[15:53] spend some time thinking about who will
be in charge of what portfolios and will
[15:58] bring Council Kozlowski into the mix
[16:03] do we need a resolution after the
Eastern planning district that's where
[16:06] we're going to move into now uh the
external committees
[16:12] um
and so I guess the conversation needs to
[16:16] be and the consideration needs to be for
everybody here is anybody who is
[16:20] currently on an external committee that
is not working for them or isn't in a
[16:27] time when you can attend whatever those
kinds of things please let us know and
[16:31] also Council kislovski if you have
particular external committees that you
[16:35] would be interested in sitting on like
for example we have a Winnipeg Beach
[16:39] Legion
um
[16:41] if not you is it what's up you weren't
on the legion were you I think I was
[16:55] uh if in fact you're interested in being
the council liaison with the Winnipeg
[17:00] Beach Legion that would make sense if
there are other ones that also make
[17:03] sense to you please come prepared to the
genuine meeting to have that
[17:07] conversation okay sure okay and other
people whichever external committees
[17:11] you're on if some are not working out
not the right time whatever please
[17:16] um
come to our January meeting prepared to
[17:20] talk about your involvement on external
committees cancer Gendron we have a
[17:26] jumping ahead a little bit into
correspondence or something
[17:30] 's Resource Council saying they're not
aware of
[17:33] is uh representing the town on the
um
[17:38] it was my understanding that contact
information went up from the office
[17:42] asked about that at the time I guess
apparently it hasn't okay so
[17:48] um if
and I I my suggestion would be that not
[17:53] just the changes be notified of who is
but probably everybody be notified
[17:58] that was going to be my next suggestion
because yes because we also had a
[18:01] comment from Interlake tourist
associations
[18:05] um without any representation here and
so it sounds like they don't know who
[18:08] who the rep is either counselor who you
wanted to say that's what I was going to
[18:12] say because again you know I'm on a
couple of these committees and I've
[18:16] heard nothing from them or about them
okay and so that's telling me that maybe
[18:21] they don't know that we're appointing
people back in August okay okay
[18:29] okay so in the interim we're not going
to pass this resolution until the
[18:34] January cow meeting after we've all had
a chance to consider and think about
[18:38] so can we bring this forward to the
January meeting in the interim um I will
[18:45] be doing the East until like Watershed
district and the East Interlake planning
[18:49] district until that happens
[18:54] comments and we're not voting on this
right no that's tabled okay
[19:01] he had hereby resolve that Council
approves the committee reports is
[19:05] presented
[19:20] um is there any reason why we haven't
gotten to public works or utility or
[19:24] fire chief report
I just need to move her in a second oh
[19:28] damn
sorry can I get a mover please
[19:33] oh my my counselor who will sorry
secondary please counselor gendering
[19:41] I the reason why there's no other
reports is I was told that they were
[19:44] requesting not requested not to put
reports in for this month
[19:48] I don't know if that's
because I called my
[19:52] my uh Public Works and utilities and
they were told not to have a report in
[19:57] for this month I'm not sure if that's
uh what's my understanding that usually
[20:03] the reports were for the cow meetings
initially uh so that direction has not
[20:10] been provided by myself so I'm not sure
where that information was provided
[20:18] so should there be any reports on this
then if we're gonna
[20:21] so I think so it was my understanding
through the through the the managers
[20:26] meeting that it was usually the first
meeting of each month when the reports
[20:29] were submitted
yep
[20:32] and so then for with the with the
December
[20:36] um looking at year-end clothes we did
talk about having reports in place and
[20:41] so Rec Department uh has provided that
you'll see the buy law enforcement is
[20:46] more just about November it's the
previous month so that could be why
[20:50] these reports aren't in place
[20:54] I did receive an email today in
reference to the public works report but
[20:59] putting on us as an addition I didn't
think of it was a value without being
[21:03] able to actually review the report ahead
of time
[21:07] so the report that we do have is the
bylaw enforcement report
[21:12] the back rack and byline that's right
everybody have a chance to review those
[21:18] reports
questions comments
[21:23] all in favor
okay
[21:29] did hereby resolve that the
correspondence be accepted as circuit as
[21:34] presented
[21:41] motor counselor Gendron secondary
[21:56] foreign
[22:04] did everybody get a chance to be the
correspondence
[22:14] yep any questions comments anything you
want to highlights
[22:26] okay
why we are quiet today aren't we
[22:33] correspondence
[22:36] yeah 7.1 traffic pardon me traffic
ticket
[22:43] okay
explanation
[22:45] ticket
mine was given to the town
[22:50] there's a person driving not get any of
the merits
[22:55] it's a reptile registered vehicle so
does the top is the town that gets
[23:00] issued the the ticket as a result of
that it was based on cameras that the
[23:06] school buses have cameras installed
um
[23:11] and so it was a certified provincial
ticket
[23:16] officer here no it's by
yeah
[23:20] it's five years by the RC yeah by the
RCP link it's a it's an actual traffic
[23:26] ticket okay so why is the beach
boys
[23:33] because the vehicle's registered to the
tone it's not to the individual
[23:38] we've got fire trucks fire cars in the
city
[23:42] you're going over the speed limit or
through a red light not on the top you
[23:45] pay for the ticket
to ensure that confidence with a lot of
[23:49] the private companies as well
you're driving attack
[23:54] once again is there a while that says
something that we pick up this ticket
[23:58] does this driver get off scout free no
good merits
[24:02] so there is no bylaw or policy in place
there's nothing in the collective
[24:09] bargaining agreement that referenced
this as far as having ownership coming
[24:16] paying through the the ticket itself I
have no authority to charge the employee
[24:23] is is stating they are responsible for
the ticket
[24:31] um you know the series of this offenses
are going to be any repercussions or any
[24:34] further training or safety training or
so I I have met with one of the
[24:39] employees that I have not met with the
employee who was driving at the time as
[24:43] they are off on leave uh the
circumstance I believe is clear in the
[24:47] report it was at a time of an emergent
sewer break and at the time of driving
[24:54] albeit uh not appropriate behavior
looking at the severity eyes were taken
[25:00] off the road to be looking at the ditch
area and it was just unnoticed so it's
[25:06] clearly clearly not an excuse that is
what happened it was under extraordinary
[25:12] circumstances as the severity of the
sewage in the close proximity to the
[25:17] lake was a great concern
foreign
[25:30] 's gonna pay for it
so that
[25:36] so so that is a discussion to be had I I
know that when we we look through that
[25:42] looking at having some sort of policy
um in place
[25:48] being an a unionized work environment if
we look at passing a policy where the
[25:54] driver of a vehicle who's incurred a
ticket the expectation is for that
[25:58] driver to pay that expense I do expect
there to be some level of Union
[26:03] involvement unless it's clearly
identified in the collective bargaining
[26:07] unit agreement as well
something that can be looked at I do not
[26:12] have past history as to whether or not
how many instances have occurred
[26:18] so this is the first one I am aware of I
did sit down with the individual at
[26:23] length discussing the situation and as I
stated upon the return of the other
[26:30] employee we'll be doing
similar to council General
[26:35] um
uh first off thank you very much for the
[26:39] report as an explanation as to what was
involved leading up to it and just for
[26:45] clarification if an individual receives
a ticket in their own names so if
[26:49] they're pulled over for speeding that is
not on us because it's in their name
[26:52] correct that's correct okay it is only
when
[26:57] um like the cameras on the bus or red
light cameras in the city or anything we
[27:02] as a town have a responsibility to pay
the ticket because it's in our name
[27:06] correct okay and and we currently do not
have a policy that allows us to take and
[27:12] I and I do know
um
[27:15] some person experience a little bit of
my discussion with you it it is you're
[27:20] very strict on what you can deduct from
an individual's payroll and what you
[27:23] cannot correct so you do not have the
authority to even be deductiveness off
[27:29] the individual's page I do not and
without a policy you didn't really have
[27:32] any other choice but to pay the ticket
so it's on Console to be making a policy
[27:37] in order if we feel as a group that we
do not want to be responsible for
[27:42] tickets and individuals get correct okay
that being said we can looking at
[27:47] Council creating that policy because it
is dealing with deductions from an
[27:52] employee the collective bargaining unit
would need to be notified of that policy
[27:57] as well okay
I just want to say you know
[28:02] the the offense is significant you know
driving by a school bus when they're not
[28:07] supposed to be stopping
um
[28:10] it was good to see you know kids weren't
being discharged nobody wasn't any kind
[28:15] of media threat and I certainly
understand that they're driving a lot of
[28:18] money they just because they had a super
break
[28:22] um well it's unfortunate that occurred
I also think that unless we continue to
[28:28] get these kinds of tickets or complaints
I'm not sure if something that we have
[28:32] to add on this might be a one-time only
and I I trust our CEO has had very
[28:39] significant conversations with the
people who were involved I think that if
[28:43] we
haven't have a second situation and
[28:48] certainly we might be needing to have a
very different discussion Council yeah I
[28:52] agree with you I think I think it would
be a different discussion though if a
[28:54] kid was ran over so I think maybe if our
employees were a little more
[28:58] you know if there was a financial
penalty to their your
[29:03] to their driving or something you know
maybe they would have been paying a
[29:06] little more
the kids could have been offloading and
[29:09] if he's looking in the ditches
and didn't see a school bus at the
[29:13] lights kids could have just as well been
in the Front Street so
[29:16] I think it's important that we tackle
this now and not wait for another
[29:19] incident Council Jarvis I agree and I'll
use the example what if it did the
[29:24] school bus driver and there's been kids
on the school bus and he just went
[29:27] through a stop sign yeah I mean like
right now we have a situation where he's
[29:31] looking at a ditch and there's a school
bus with the lights on and we drive past
[29:35] the school bus and as you said luckily
nobody was hurt
[29:39] but the last time we're wrong you're
supposed to be in complete control of
[29:42] your vehicle at all times whether that
bus could have been parked in the middle
[29:44] of the road if he'd hit the bus he was
at fault
[29:48] where we have to look at and like Gary
said we have to have some sort of a plan
[29:52] if a child had been hit heaven forbid
if you're having a different
[29:57] conversation right now so what kind of
plan are you suggesting counselors yeah
[30:01] we I'm not sure what is involved so I
think maybe in the future we should have
[30:06] a look at it because we have employees
that drive vehicles and if they're
[30:10] heaven forbid but if you're running
through stop signs and you're blown past
[30:13] school buses with the lights on then
maybe we need to look at a policy that
[30:16] says
hey
[30:19] we have a situation even in the middle
of the Summer where there's kids walking
[30:23] everywhere around here
and if you're looking at the ditch and
[30:26] something all you need is a
five-year-old and bolt that between two
[30:29] cars and no problem okay
well maybe it's just more of a having to
[30:33] take a defensive driving course or
something
[30:37] because I don't know I agree but I'm not
saying that we let the guy about Scott
[30:42] free I'm just saying that you know
there's something that maybe wouldn't
[30:44] get a look at we have people driving
vehicles
[30:50] um
[30:52] my understanding from reading the report
as the discussion has happened and the
[30:55] serious discussion has happened
um
[30:59] the CEO is responsible for the staff the
CIO has policies regarding uh when if
[31:08] and when the CIO feels there's a need
for a written warning to be placed on an
[31:12] employee's file
the CAO has that ability to do so if the
[31:18] CIO in discussions
um feels that
[31:22] I mean as she said she doesn't know if
this is the first offense or not but if
[31:27] this is the first offense and the Santa
was dealing with a second offense in
[31:31] three months I would assume that the CIA
would be dealing with it appropriately
[31:35] according to the situation that had as
opposed to having to have a separate
[31:39] policy
councilor well I just want to say on
[31:43] record that I think something should be
done now because if we don't and this
[31:45] event does happen
I don't think our CEO wants to be
[31:49] responsible for it either I think we
need to like that's a that's if it was
[31:53] just driving if it was a small offense
like again like speeding or whatever
[31:56] else but somebody blowing through a
flashing lights on a school bus that's
[32:00] that's as bad as it gets
would you suggest that we do counselor
[32:05] well I suggest that the person needs a
little refresher course
[32:09] or a defensive driving force or maybe if
they if they can't follow the rules
[32:14] and they're too distracted by a flashing
lights on a school bus maybe they
[32:17] shouldn't be driving our vehicles
because it's our liability
[32:21] yeah they're they're in charge of that
vehicle all responsibility plays with
[32:27] them
they would have hit a child coming out
[32:30] of that school bus or something
set the feature fault we heard the
[32:34] driver driver walks away once again
there's no good merits to this driver
[32:39] it goes on to the talent it's a very
Hefty fine
[32:43] and I think that each individual should
be held accountable for their driving
[32:47] schools so in what kind of way what what
action do you think the town should be
[32:51] taking that they pay responsible there
in charge of that vehicle
[32:55] okay now they pay for whatever happens
if they hit a ticket they pay for it
[33:02] just like most of the private cities and
most private companies in the city
[33:06] private companies don't pay for you
we
[33:12] we I work for a unionized company we
have to sign up the vehicles event when
[33:16] you sign up the vehicle you aren't
responsible for that vehicle so so maybe
[33:20] we need to adopt something where there's
a signal policy in the vehicles you know
[33:24] they're responsible for it during that
time
[33:26] I mean just something to look at some
would consider I'm wondering if rcao can
[33:30] take this back for consideration and
come back with a recommendation to
[33:34] cancer
so just one question the counselors will
[33:38] defensive driving course uh was it under
the presumption that the town would be
[33:44] paying for that defensive driving course
or is the expectation for the employee
[33:48] well that's something we can discuss I
would just again based on the serious
[33:51] seriousness of the offense uh I think
something needs to be done
[33:56] I mean we don't we don't have we don't
have um the same rights the police or
[34:01] the RCP or the fire department does you
know
[34:04] driving fast to a case or you're driving
so fast you didn't know this or even I
[34:09] mean if you're that focused on the ditch
how long how long are you not looking
[34:12] what's in front of you that's that's
scary so it's just it's concerning and
[34:16] so I I think some education is required
something
[34:22] councilor Jarvis
um did the driver in question receive
[34:26] demerits on their license no because it
was based on very similar to uh red
[34:31] light cameras so you just get this the
license plate that's identified not the
[34:36] driver
so it's the it's under the vehicle
[34:40] that's that Vehicles the name under the
registration of that license plate if
[34:46] I'm using your car and I get a red light
camera you receive the ticket and so
[34:50] that's that's what's happened in this
case as well and I know as the counselor
[34:54] genre explains it we've had a you've had
a conversation with this person but so
[34:59] then
this person's not paying the fine and
[35:02] there's no demand so there's really no
other than the conversation that took
[35:06] place so I've had the conversation with
the passenger the driver is on leave
[35:11] currently and I have not been able to
have that conversation with the driver
[35:15] at this time councilor Kozlowski and
then counselor yeah um we just lost hope
[35:20] a little bit to these people the drivers
do they check their vehicles before they
[35:24] do all the safer signals lights
Etc
[35:29] I believe pre-trips are required I can
certainly confirm what the works
[35:34] department that the pre-trips are being
adhered to
[35:37] councilman here too yeah like that it is
I believe it is a requirement I would be
[35:43] surprised if there wasn't a policy in
place I don't even think
[35:48] so it's just a question as to whether or
not
[35:51] um that it's be being adhered to as in
several places of employment
[35:58] um people get used to not doing a
pre-trip right maybe this can come up to
[36:04] the meetings that they have yeah and I
will I will be discussing that yet okay
[36:09] so anything further going forward I
think we're pretty clear here
[36:13] okay
anything else under correspondence
[36:18] Council service the human resources
practices employment thing that would
[36:23] just send for
[36:26] pardon me no this is what Gene was
talking about before like his name the
[36:30] municipal relations bulletin it was sent
to us yes uh that was just for us to
[36:35] read and
yeah okay so what the council May notice
[36:40] as something different is whenever
there's a bulletin put out by Municipal
[36:44] relations as part of being
um municipal government I will put that
[36:50] information out just so everyone is
aware what what the department is doing
[36:54] as well as the other news releases that
would pertain to our MLA or in this case
[37:01] um Minister Horton as well as he lives
within close proximity and so when
[37:07] Council works with various ministers or
mlas I think it's important for you just
[37:12] to have some background as to what
portfolio and what projects they are
[37:17] working on
um so that when you do meet with them
[37:20] that that you've got some familiarity
around uh yeah but this was the human
[37:25] resources practices of employment the
only reason I asked the question is
[37:28] because in cancer genre I even alluded
to it at the beginning of the meetings
[37:33] that we've had this kind of I just is
this the actual thing because we've
[37:36] talked about this two or three times
[37:46] yeah
okay
[37:48] it's not specific
to the top yeah
[37:52] thank you any other questions about
correspondence
[37:58] okay
that's the resolution all in favor
[38:03] Gary
he is hereby resolve that Council
[38:07] approves the accounts payable being
checks numbered
[38:12] 20220761 to number
[38:18] 20220826 and electronic payments issued
between December 1st 2022 and December
[38:24] 31st 22 totaling 204
106.67 as circulated by the finance
[38:33] officer and reviewed by the finance
committee
[38:36] mover please
so Jervis
[38:41] secondary please
[38:44] conjendron
[38:47] discussion
[38:51] um yeah um I sorry sharing a phrases
before
[38:55] um prior to being here
um the resolution reads approved by the
[38:59] uh as reviewed by the finance committee
and it's not it's not the committee it
[39:04] is a member of the finance committee
because uh Doug doesn't whoever comes in
[39:10] to do the check signing
so sometimes it may even be mayor
[39:14] Jackson
[39:16] thank you
Council Jarvis and maybe I I missed the
[39:21] opportunity here but the this I'm a
little confused about the Cascade
[39:24] recovery thing the the check that was
issued for recycling what is Cascade
[39:31] Cascades is where the recycling actually
gets processed so we still have a
[39:36] processing fee as well so that's the
stuff that they pick up right so our
[39:40] recycling gets picked up at a fee
however to process that recycling
[39:45] there's an additional fee on top of
everything
[39:49] yeah I wasn't sure what type of thing
okay I wanted to checks on their cats
[39:54] your comment if he's 735 what's that all
there
[39:59] uh I would have to pull the item a lot
of these expenditures occurred prior to
[40:03] me being here that that were approved
through there so I can certainly follow
[40:07] up with that and send you that
information I can go pull the check
[40:11] right now
um I believe that when our Bible officer
[40:17] is also doing animal control and when
he's doing animal control and he picks
[40:21] up Stray Cats there is a fee for the
picking up of stray cats and then taking
[40:27] them to a compound where they are taken
care of and that's the fee Associated
[40:32] and cancer Gendron and then counselor
and and there are very strict rules that
[40:37] he has to follow so he had they have to
be held for so many days and so that's
[40:43] why we're paying
foreign
[41:03] officer is the one that houses them
so you can see why but it may Beach
[41:10] would have to pay for that
paperwork
[41:17] Council agenda
um it's it there's a whole animal
[41:20] control issue not just us I believe it's
uh standards within the province we've
[41:27] addressed this before
it's not anything we can do not do our
[41:32] only other option is to not be picking
up stray cats and and that's the only
[41:37] other way to avoid it our CIO wanted to
see some Productions after what I was
[41:40] going to say it's a reference to that
once once you have a service delivery
[41:45] standard or something that identified
out nearby law in reference to what you
[41:49] will or will not do for animal control
several municipalities
[41:54] um
have run into this situation where we
[41:58] look at the costs of cats for
enforcement purposes is cost prohibitive
[42:03] and they have removed
cats being from there so at that point
[42:08] though those municipalities are at risk
for the Stray Cats and and the abundance
[42:13] of
[42:16] Dr Jarvis it's uh with
everybody so it's it's there's criteria
[42:22] there's Health regulations all kinds of
stuff and you can't get away from it
[42:27] any further discussion on the finances
[42:35] a favor
Harry
[42:40] the adhered by a result that Council
approves the December 2022 employee
[42:44] payroll is circulated by the finance
officer
[42:48] I get a mover please
so Jarvis
[42:52] second or please
councilor Gendron
[42:57] has everybody had a chance to review
this resolution
[43:03] any questions comments points of
discussion
[43:12] all in favor
Terry
[43:20] whereas in accordance with Section 163
of the municipal act the Council of the
[43:25] town of Winnipeg Beach have made interim
estimates of all operating expenditures
[43:30] for the town for the periods of January
1st 2023 until the adoption of the
[43:35] financial plan therefore be hereby
resolved that the following provisional
[43:40] estimates be hereby adoptive General
government services 350
[43:45] 000 Protective Services 150
000 transportation services 450
[43:52] 000 environmental health 150
000 Public Health and Welfare 10 000
[43:58] environmental development 20 000
Economic Development 20 000 Recreation
[44:04] and culture 150
000 fiscal Services fifty thousand
[44:09] utility operating 150
000 total of
[44:14] one million four hundred and eighty
thousand can I get a mover please
[44:19] that's a gender
[44:22] second or please counselor Kozlowski
[44:27] discussion
[44:34] okay
all in favor
[44:39] Harry
[44:44] the adhere by a result that Council
approved counselor Gendron to attend the
[44:48] Red River Basin annual conference being
held at the Fort Gary hotel in Winnipeg
[44:52] on January 17th to the 19th 2023 at a
cost of 338 dollars plus applicable
[44:59] applicable taxes out-of-pocket expenses
and travel per diem
[45:04] can I get a mover please
[45:11] in a secondary place
Mr Jarvis
[45:16] discussion that's agenda I do have one
question it says
[45:22] expenses and travel Peruvian
um we have
[45:27] um
[45:30] or that entitles
um hourly reimbursement as well is that
[45:36] really that's part of this correct
that's that's what it's for free yeah
[45:40] okay thank you
[45:44] any further discussion
[45:48] all in favor
Terry
[45:55] the adhere by resolve that the ca will
be authorized to enter into a service
[45:59] agreement between the town of Winnipeg
Beach and the Canadian Corp of
[46:03] Commissioners for disaster financial
assistance Support Services
[46:09] yeah I'll get a mover please
Mr Jarvis
[46:15] secondary Place some gender
University can give us a bit more
[46:21] information on this please
um so the service agreement through the
[46:25] disaster Financial uh assistance program
the dollar figure amount uh is fairly
[46:33] significant for what's happened at
Winnipeg Beach throughout this past year
[46:37] as a result those applications are
rather time consuming and very detailed
[46:42] the expense for the support services is
also claimable against the disaster
[46:49] financial assistance and so the way that
that program works is once accepted
[46:54] there's threshold tiered thresholds of
where the municipality is responsible
[46:58] for and after a certain period of a
certain amount a hundred percent of the
[47:04] costs are then covered through the DFA
program once approved
[47:07] and so in order to collect that data and
ensure that nothing's been overlooked or
[47:12] missed
um
[47:15] and working through that
recognizing the scope of of what's
[47:19] happened
um it's it would be a it's since it's
[47:24] playable expense I think it would and
therefore reimbursable uh it uh it makes
[47:28] the most sense to move forward with
commissioners
[47:33] any questions points of discussion
Council Jarvis
[47:37] um
is this
[47:40] does this compete with Don Eames and
nothing no it's just separate it's just
[47:46] this is to be able to make
[47:50] this is to be able to make all our
claims so like for example the super
[47:53] sandbags we had to charge the provincial
government for that to make all the
[47:57] Financial claims yes to get the money I
wasn't sure
[48:01] is it more of just how to do the
paperwork because I thought we had we
[48:06] we've had this brought to us before
previous Council
[48:10] um the company that we deal with when
there is an emergency measures I thought
[48:13] they handled most of that and helped us
with the
[48:16] those areas so I'm not familiar with
what may have happened in the past to
[48:22] date there's been no movement on this
DFA file and looking at the significant
[48:27] amount of
money that has been spent in reference
[48:30] to This Disaster the sooner that this
gets moved on the better so it is a bit
[48:34] different it's an independent program
it's not in relation to emergency it
[48:39] measures its relation to disaster and so
what might have come forward which I do
[48:45] believe there was payment for was there
is a mitigation and preparedness program
[48:49] that counters with the DFA program and
they are two separate programs but
[48:56] correlate with each other so this is to
make movement in reference to submitting
[49:01] the claims and going through that
process to have those expenditures
[49:05] return back to eligible expenditures
returned back to to the town cancer
[49:10] gender yeah I just wanted to clarify for
counselor Jarvis and then it sort of
[49:13] fits into Professor Hall said as well um
this was raised at our previous meeting
[49:18] and there was some discussion it might
have been just before and I had asked
[49:22] the acting cereal if
um Napier
[49:27] could be hired to do this type of work
and he had checked and they weren't they
[49:33] were too busy they didn't have the time
to do it
[49:36] um but he did explain to us at the time
that 100 of the cost of
[49:40] hiring somebody to prepare the paperwork
for the province is a DFA expense that
[49:45] we can submit for so we really aren't
going to be we've lost and said our
[49:49] deductible we really aren't going to be
out of pocket for us
[49:53] so so would we is this just something
that we we Source these guys out or
[49:57] should we put something out for my
understanding is he did he was check uh
[50:03] the acting Stadium had been checking
around and
[50:07] um it was a matter of because of how
much
[50:11] how many areas were affected by disaster
it was difficult to even find anybody
[50:16] that was available by the time we were
looking for somebody yeah I'm just yeah
[50:19] so my concern is just for entering an
agreement I'm just wondering if if we
[50:23] should have you know sourced up more
than one
[50:28] in one company so previous calls have
been made and looking for various other
[50:33] options uh and as councilor Gendron had
stated very few people are interested as
[50:39] they are backlogged with various other
claims
[50:42] thank you
[50:45] okay another discussion
all in favor
[50:51] opposed
Carrie
[50:59] be it hereby resolve that the CAO be
authorized to renew the service contract
[51:04] between the town of Winnipeg Beach and
Muni site for the uniware momentum
[51:08] License Services
[51:12] oops
[51:17] sorry my bad okay where is the request
for donation has been received by the
[51:22] town of Winnipeg Beach therefore be it
resolved that Council for the town of
[51:26] Winnipeg Beach authorized a donation in
the amount of blank to Manitoba Crime
[51:30] Stoppers
let me get a mover please
[51:34] answer cool
second or please
[51:40] [Music]
[51:43] discussion
[51:46] what do they do in the area they're here
for us
[51:51] did you have the opportunity to read
their letter to us yeah
[51:56] so it looks like they haven't been able
to do a lot in the last couple of years
[52:01] because of covet but they are putting a
program together and going to schools
[52:06] and local events
with information they're also taking on
[52:11] a signage project
um
[52:15] so all I know is what's in the letter
I think we've had some other requests
[52:20] for donations and we've we're kind of
are we not strapped on this part right
[52:23] now for donations or should we move this
to next year so this is for 2023 item it
[52:30] is my recommendation at this point it'd
be tabled for Budget to determine
[52:35] um what is what is being allocated there
has been no past history of donating to
[52:41] manageable Crime Stoppers that I'm that
I'm aware of
[52:46] so you're suggesting we table it
for Budget yeah and we've had a number
[52:51] of other requests for donations this
past fall and so if we could put that
[52:56] all in the same
item for Budget discussions so that we
[53:00] can look at all of the 2020 at the 2023
so it was 2023 requests okay well the
[53:07] 2022 requests but they were coming in
quite late in the year so if we can look
[53:11] at them so we know what to anticipate
okay
[53:16] okay so this will be tabled
correct thank you
[53:28] either be it hereby resolve that the CEO
will be authorized to renew the service
[53:33] contract between the town of Winnipeg
Beach and Muni site for the miniware
[53:36] momentum License Services
I get a mover please
[53:42] counselor Jarvis
in your secondary please counselorski
[53:50] give us some information about this one
please sure
[53:53] so this is this is all of our programs
that uh the that governs our municipal
[53:59] activities so it includes our tax our
utility our accounts payable it's our
[54:04] payroll it's the ledger accounts so uh
this is quite uh there was an account
[54:10] conversion that occurred in uh 2021 and
this is the software program that we use
[54:17] they are looking to go into a three-year
service agreement and
[54:24] that's what this item is for
is just authorizing the CEO to sign that
[54:29] service agreement discussion
[54:34] all in favor
Gary
[54:41] whereas section
365-2 of the municipal act provides that
[54:47] Council May in any year designate the
immediately preceding year or any
[54:52] earlier year as the year for which
properties the taxes and respect of
[54:56] which are inner ears for the year must
be offered for tax sale by auction to
[55:01] recover the tax arrears and costs be it
resolved that the designated year for
[55:06] the properties in arrears
be offered by sale of auction the 2022
[55:12] meaning all properties with outstanding
taxes from the year 2021 or prior and be
[55:18] it further resolved that in accordance
with section 363-1 of the municipal act
[55:24] cost shall be at the actual costs
incurred by the municipalities for each
[55:29] parcel listed for the tax sale plus an
administration fee of fifty dollars per
[55:34] roll as set forth in the Manitoba
regulation 50-97
[55:39] if applicable and be it further resolve
that the tax sale Bill tax sale be held
[55:46] month day
2023 that should read and blank Am Pm at
[55:55] our table at Chambers
can I get a mover please
[56:00] cancel Kozlowski
[56:04] secondary please councilor Jarvis
discussion I wonder if Sharon you could
[56:10] uh
so tell us what this is about um this is
[56:15] always a standard resolution it's just
in a way of
[56:19] um having legal authority to move the
back taxes forward so
[56:24] um several municipalities will also use
the Outsource of tax service that goes
[56:29] through that tax sale process it's my
understanding there has not been a tax
[56:33] sale auction in Winnipeg Beach for quite
some time and but what this does do is
[56:40] give us the authority to move forward on
any properties that do have outstanding
[56:45] taxes of 2021 or prior and set those
properties up for auction
[56:51] discussion
all in favor
[56:56] Gary
[57:01] whereas the request for refund has been
given in regard to a Rec hockey program
[57:06] and whereas no rep refund policy has
been adopted therefore be a result that
[57:11] Council approve slash do not approve a
refund in the amount of
[57:20] can I get a mover please
councilor Hall secondary
[57:25] that's a Gendron
[57:28] everybody get a chance to
um
[57:32] review this
discussion
[57:39] counselor so uh from the information
provided this individual attended the
[57:45] program for a few weeks and then
something else became available so they
[57:48] did start the program they did start the
program
[57:54] was the program full of the time
uh I believe with this kind of structure
[58:00] there there is always room for
additional users I think it was an
[58:04] informal Rec hockey program
councilor Jarvis
[58:10] um
um I I guess if we if we're gonna go out
[58:15] I would say no one refund
other questions or discussion Council
[58:21] agenda yeah the program has started
um you sign up for a yoga class and you
[58:27] decide after three weeks you found
something closer to home
[58:30] and yoga instructor that you've paid for
the classes isn't going to give you your
[58:33] money back
[58:36] for all of us at good kids through
hockey and that I mean this stuff
[58:39] happens and maybe lots of times it's a
lot more money than this
[58:43] further discussion
okay call the question so we have to
[58:49] therefore be it resolved that council do
not approve a refund
[58:56] period period
yeah all in favor
[59:01] to post I was I was hoping for a uh you
know partial
[59:07] oh
did you want to speak to that I just
[59:12] think you know you know like uh Council
General and I said if uh you know if
[59:16] they did attend some I would certainly
think that maybe a partial refund would
[59:19] be available but that was I also want to
know if the class was full because if
[59:22] somebody else lost an opportunity to
join the class
[59:26] you know that's another
but if we're sure that it was just kind
[59:30] of a drop in I could clarify that but I
believe that there was still opportunity
[59:35] for others to still enroll
and it did not impact the program
[59:44] again the argument if you sign up for a
class in three or four classes and you
[59:48] decide to take the class somewhere else
doesn't necessarily be getting a refund
[59:52] on that class yeah we're not dealing
with for medical reasons the individual
[59:56] had to
stop coming or family relocated and it
[1:00:01] wasn't
you know they had to move to the city
[1:00:05] and it wasn't convenient to come here
okay
[1:00:10] so we're ready to to
um vote on the resolution be resolved
[1:00:14] that council do not approve a refund
all in favor
[1:00:20] opposed
Carrie
[1:00:29] whereas the request has been presented
to council to amend bylaw
[1:00:34] 15-2015 to permit food cart vendors
without owning slash operating and
[1:00:39] additional Food Service establishment
and where is sufficient data has not
[1:00:43] been obtained to initiate changes to
existing legislation and whereas the
[1:00:48] recommendation is to partake in a pilot
project for information slash impact
[1:00:53] Gathering purposes therefore be it
hereby resolve that Council authorized
[1:00:58] the CEO to implement a pilot project
allowing a food cart Bender for the 2023
[1:01:03] season at the farmers market location
only
[1:01:07] remover please
councilman
[1:01:13] secondary please
agenda
[1:01:17] discussion
everybody had a chance to read the
[1:01:23] history discussion options and
recommendations
[1:01:29] discussion
yeah I was just curious you know how
[1:01:34] come we wouldn't expand this are we just
the food so that you're talking about at
[1:01:40] that market that we have that no one in
the rec center
[1:01:44] okay yeah hold on
Glory
[1:01:48] that's fine
[1:01:52] Council General
um
[1:01:54] just wondering if the ca over to give us
a little bit of that and I might be a
[1:01:59] little ahead of the game sort of what
sort of things you're going to be
[1:02:02] looking for as far as of being a pilot
and what sort of things you're going to
[1:02:05] want to be that you think might be
relevant to report back to council or am
[1:02:10] I a little early on this and you'll put
that together and let us know closer to
[1:02:14] so I think that so my understanding is
um
[1:02:19] the most sensitive piece of allowing
food carts is within the downtown area
[1:02:25] and the competition to existing
establishments Food Service
[1:02:29] establishments and so when when we look
at what that pilot project looked like
[1:02:34] there's there's a few issues is a is is
there sufficient data to see that there
[1:02:39] is there is an impact B it allows for
Council and staff to take a look at the
[1:02:45] other possible impacts that having a
food cart in the vicinity
[1:02:51] um
can have that that we may not have
[1:02:54] thought about right is when we look at
that and then B take a look at some of
[1:02:58] those impacts and bring that forward to
discussion uh normally a food cart
[1:03:03] vending uh is not lumped in with another
bylaw it does have its own specific
[1:03:08] bylaw and so my recommendation moving
forward would be to be removing that out
[1:03:13] of
bylaw
[1:03:16] 15-2015 if it was to be permitted as
there's other things so that it also
[1:03:22] gives Council the freedom to take a look
at locations more time to digest does it
[1:03:27] work doesn't it work what the feedback
from the community is because ultimately
[1:03:32] that's that's a huge driver in in making
change in legislation
[1:03:39] yeah this this expands on my first
question about you know expanding it
[1:03:43] Beyond where they are because
um
[1:03:46] I don't know if any of you have but
we've got numerous emails requests over
[1:03:49] the years you know if we have a bad note
till 10 11 o'clock there's not a
[1:03:53] restaurant site that can provide a
service so we also talked about having
[1:03:57] the food carts you know available within
the downtown area
[1:04:02] because again
we can all know that after six o'clock
[1:04:06] or seven o'clock sometimes there's
nowhere to get a meal or a quick bite
[1:04:11] during bands or
with the exception of boardwalkings
[1:04:17] maybe something we can sort of push out
a little further on
[1:04:21] Council charts I thought that we had
discussed um designating like we enabled
[1:04:26] this previously in designating an area
for food carts because well I I think
[1:04:30] we're going to get into a really bad
situation if we allow food carts there
[1:04:34] food carts here you know and I don't
think the problem is having the food
[1:04:39] cart or food vendors
the problem is that and and they're
[1:04:43] right if we need separate legislation
for it is that as we discussed
[1:04:47] previously that you know there has to be
some sort of concern for sanitation from
[1:04:50] washrooms for seating areas for garbage
like you know I mean if we
[1:04:56] we have to have criteria that these
people have to
[1:04:59] to adhere to and it's not so much that
the other businesses aren't complacent
[1:05:05] it's that we all have to fall under the
same guidelines and right now we have
[1:05:09] seem to have separate guidelines for
food cars or vendors so what are you
[1:05:14] suggesting in terms of this this
particular resolution
[1:05:17] I would say we need to look at I don't
I'm opposed to
[1:05:22] pop-up food carts because it just it it
this doesn't pop up this is somebody
[1:05:28] who's asking us permission to have a
food right at the farmer's market
[1:05:32] exactly but then
you know do they have washing facilities
[1:05:36] there do they have garbage receptacles
do they have picnic tables you know what
[1:05:40] I mean a we we get that already there
are people just walking along in the
[1:05:45] discs are in poutine containers and all
kinds of stuff like I think from our
[1:05:49] standpoint is that you know trying to
solve maybe a concern that somebody
[1:05:53] doesn't have a meal or they can't take a
break and so on and so forth I mean we
[1:05:59] create another problem
so is your suggestion
[1:06:05] like again having an expanded one or is
your concern just with the farmer's
[1:06:09] market so
um well they just with the farm well
[1:06:13] with the Farmers Market at person
because we talked about putting a an
[1:06:16] area where all the food carts and all
the common food trucks or whatever would
[1:06:20] go
um my fear is and they had mentioned
[1:06:24] about Winnipeg and and I'm familiar with
Winnipeg is that you're given an area
[1:06:28] right but you just can't just
indiscriminately put a food cart
[1:06:31] somewhere
go ahead Council agenda
[1:06:36] all of these my understanding is all
these things that have been raised by
[1:06:40] councilman Jarvis and Concert Hall
are things that will be taken into
[1:06:44] consideration right now we are looking
at preventing a food cart at the Farmers
[1:06:49] Market
to as a pilot project to see how does it
[1:06:55] go how is it receive what are the things
we need to consider moving forward and
[1:07:00] let's say based on it we decide that yes
we're going to move forward and expand
[1:07:05] the use of food carts
what things have we learned and are
[1:07:09] learning from the food cart at the
farmers market as far as
[1:07:14] things we need to consider as far as
washrooms and receptacles this is the I
[1:07:19] mean these are the individuals running
the farmers market who are are making
[1:07:25] this request for at their Farmers Market
well we know they have I mean they
[1:07:29] already have portable washrooms there
and they have uh you know they have
[1:07:34] little seating areas for people there so
this is just authorizing
[1:07:40] the CEO to implement the pilot project
is what we're looking at here councilor
[1:07:46] again I would rather than just seeing a
pile of projects I'd like to see an
[1:07:50] expanded uh throughout the town
because we're not going to get a full
[1:07:55] Taste of what's happening in the Farmers
Market oh it's going to affect the rest
[1:07:58] of town well it would it would seem to
me that before we do that we might want
[1:08:03] to do a bit more homework however that's
more pointful
[1:08:07] pardon me that's my point I think we
need to look at this a little better
[1:08:11] than just
you know have a pilot project thrown out
[1:08:14] there I think we need to sort of look at
this a little better
[1:08:18] okay
isn't that the purpose of a pilot
[1:08:21] project so that we can look at things
and again I'm not I don't think we
[1:08:25] should just have the pilot project at
the farmer's market it's about the
[1:08:29] talent I think we should look at it for
the whole town not just the farmers
[1:08:33] market okay so you're you're saying yes
we we should do a pilot project but not
[1:08:37] just at the farmer's market well I think
it should be expanded okay
[1:08:45] and just
to clarify my position on it um we had
[1:08:50] this I thought we had discussed a lot of
this stuff with reference and and that's
[1:08:53] maybe where I'm confused is it about
having food trucks Etc and what I don't
[1:08:58] want to get in you know every time I
have a farmer's market or a special
[1:09:02] event and even like a harvest fest where
we have things that all of a sudden
[1:09:06] there's a different set of rules for
these where you're able to have food
[1:09:10] carts in the Farmers Market I think we
need to look at it as a talents if
[1:09:14] you're going to let some of these people
in
[1:09:16] um they have to as I've mentioned before
their criteria has to meet that there's
[1:09:19] Health standards there's all kinds of
things safety and so on and so forth
[1:09:24] that these people out and I don't want
to Forfeit
[1:09:27] that um and I don't know if
responsibilities right because they're
[1:09:31] within we've given them permission to do
that and I want to make sure that all of
[1:09:36] the checkpoints are are looked after
right and Council Jarvis we have had
[1:09:40] this conversation before and I think
that the conversation has sort of gone
[1:09:43] in circles in this similar way that is
happening tonight and I think that
[1:09:48] um some discussion was had about the
fact that every food cart would have to
[1:09:52] be licensed and if they're licensed that
means that they're insured and so that's
[1:09:55] already taken care of in terms of health
concerns and all those kinds of things
[1:09:59] we've always gotten stuck on should we
let one in and use as a pilot project
[1:10:05] should we just open it up completely
before we open it up completely should
[1:10:08] we be sitting and talking to the other
businesses in town what should we do
[1:10:12] and we've gone in circles around that
with no decision being made and so
[1:10:20] um I think this was the opportunity when
someone approached our CEO saying could
[1:10:24] we have a food cart next year so not
saying next weekend they're saying next
[1:10:29] year could we have a food cart
available at the farmer's market now we
[1:10:34] might want to expand that to include
other things
[1:10:38] um at some point we're not creating
policy here we're we're saying either
[1:10:43] yes or no to this food cart at the food
truck and at the at the Starbucks market
[1:10:49] and if this Council thinks it's
important that we look at food trucks
[1:10:55] downtown Winnipeg Beach for 2023 before
doing this pilot project we can
[1:11:00] certainly put that on an agenda and have
a full discussion about that and ask our
[1:11:04] CEO to come up with policy and those
kinds of things that doesn't prohibit us
[1:11:09] voting on this right now
um
[1:11:13] those are my just my thoughts right now
counselor who will and then councilor
[1:11:16] General yeah I agree with your thoughts
I think we need to but I I do think we
[1:11:20] need to look at the town as a whole
before we agree to this that's my
[1:11:24] opinion
so so just a point of clarification for
[1:11:28] myself when we're looking at the town of
a whole how will that inform this
[1:11:32] decision about this food card well I I
can't agree on this yet unless we do it
[1:11:36] as a as a town thing I understand that
this is for the farmer's market but this
[1:11:40] opens up other doors I think we have to
have further discussions Council General
[1:11:45] um so
um I don't know I I sorry I'm just a
[1:11:50] little not clear on what was discussed
about this with this Council and what
[1:11:55] was discussed about this before this
farmer's market request came to the
[1:11:59] previous Council and they chose to table
that didn't want to make a decision and
[1:12:03] tabled it for the new Council so I'm not
sure if this Council has seen this
[1:12:07] farmer's market request but it was put
in quite some time ago
[1:12:12] um my question is if we go with this
um pilot project for the farmers market
[1:12:18] we're not limiting ourselves to that
early if we have time for additional
[1:12:23] discussion to to test it out in other
areas can we do that as well or are we
[1:12:29] limiting ourselves because I certainly
Council holds making some really good
[1:12:33] points about we've discussed this before
about other areas are we limiting
[1:12:37] ourselves to Justice or can we do other
um testing or or whatever to determine
[1:12:44] whether or not we can do it downtown as
well so that that option is available
[1:12:49] when we look at the way that this is
reading now in reference to that
[1:12:53] particular location and that location
only at this time it prohibits it
[1:12:58] prohibits from anyone else saying well
you've allowed that this it's not as if
[1:13:03] you're changing your legislation the
current legislation still is intact
[1:13:08] whereas food vendors are still
authorized under bylaw
[1:13:13] 15-2015 provide with you know with
providing that the owner operating
[1:13:18] additional Food Service establishment so
that that existing legislation is in
[1:13:24] existence this resolution does not amend
that legislation this is just allowing
[1:13:30] for a basically a one-year one this is
not allowing that farmers market on a
[1:13:37] continual basis to continue to operate
this is just in order to a get the
[1:13:44] resident feedback as to whether or not
food cart vendors is something that they
[1:13:50] want within the community if there is
another opportunity to have
[1:13:54] um so the ideal with this as a pilot
project is it's consistent
[1:13:59] so we know that that it's there every
every weekend it's not sporadic so it's
[1:14:05] easy to
to monitor to some extent if there is
[1:14:10] another option to be looking at after
hours food cart if if a lot of
[1:14:14] challenges do not surface and a lot of
perceptions are debunked at that point
[1:14:21] because there is some sensitivity with
with this and if some of those concerns
[1:14:27] are alleviated and it seems to be
working really well expanding for a
[1:14:32] downtown area what does that look like
at any time Council can deliberate and
[1:14:36] look at what can be permitted and what
cannot be permitted and adjust
[1:14:40] legislation accordingly if there is the
opportunity for a downtown after hours
[1:14:47] vendor as well as to further expand
within this option before permanently
[1:14:54] changing legislation 100 Council can
enter into okay so we're not limiting
[1:14:59] ourselves to just this correct could
after further discussion decide okay and
[1:15:04] maybe do we'd like to Pilot food vendors
on handstand nights and see how that
[1:15:08] goes before we change the legislation
correct okay we had food vendors
[1:15:14] knocking at our door yes we have had
food vendors in the past yes as well as
[1:15:20] as well as the public the questions
um councilor Jarvis and I
[1:15:26] it's not that we're I'm not against food
carts and I'm not against food trucks
[1:15:31] I'm not against any of those things but
my concern is always being who controls
[1:15:36] it now do we control it or do we by when
I say as a pilot project do we give it
[1:15:41] to the farmers market because there's a
there's an awful lot of criteria there's
[1:15:45] an awful lot of standards and rules and
regulations and policies and procedures
[1:15:49] that apply to these things
um and are we going to be able to have
[1:15:53] input into that it's one thing to have a
pilot project and say okay you can go
[1:15:56] ahead and do that but if we have if we
stand back and then we watch things
[1:15:59] happen and they shouldn't happen that
way how do we how do we interact and do
[1:16:03] that correct so so this resolution is
just authorizing the CEO to move forward
[1:16:08] to create that level of agreement with
that organization and so when we look at
[1:16:14] the looking at other past legislation
and bylaws that other communities have
[1:16:20] governed food cart vendors proof of
insurance all of those things would be
[1:16:24] part uh and parcel as to the agreement
that must be provided and so at that
[1:16:29] point it is it's not as simple as this
resolution has passed and it's a done
[1:16:34] deal so now it's then this is initiating
it looking at what that agreement looks
[1:16:38] like looking at the requirements that
Council wants to have as part of the
[1:16:43] provisions as part of this project that
still needs to be determined at that
[1:16:48] point
Castle Hill so in here it doesn't
[1:16:51] mention excuse me times of operation
does that does this mean that they can
[1:16:56] only operate while the farmer's market
is open or they can can use those
[1:16:59] grounds when there is no Farmers Market
happening
[1:17:02] so it was it was based on the assumption
that when the farmer's market was
[1:17:07] happening
[1:17:10] So So currently I can look at changing
as part of the project and that's where
[1:17:15] again this is just initiating a pilot
project it's not outlining the project
[1:17:20] itself and so when we look at specifics
such as requirements times of operation
[1:17:27] that's outlined in the agreement
this is just initiating the fact that
[1:17:33] it's going forward on on saying yes
we're going to allow this what does this
[1:17:37] pilot project look like
yeah I I would just like to see it as a
[1:17:40] whole that's all
[1:17:43] thank you I understand that you you
would like this so that you could move
[1:17:48] forward with starting to have some
initial discussions uh it's not so much
[1:17:52] I'm I would like this this is up to the
council to decide if they would like
[1:17:56] this uh this is an option for Council to
look at having a food cart
[1:18:03] um operating without the current
provisions of bylaw 15-2015 without
[1:18:09] permanently changing legislation
Council General I promised my last
[1:18:15] comments okay I think this is a nice
controllable manner in which
[1:18:20] um gives us an opportunity to
um look at a what's important to us for
[1:18:26] requirements b
um testing them out testing the waters
[1:18:32] on what we're looking for again in a
controllable manner so that if at the
[1:18:38] end of the pilot or even maybe part way
through the pilot if it's very
[1:18:42] successful we want to start looking at
changing we have
[1:18:47] um some good groundwork to help us
change our legislation if that's the
[1:18:51] road we're going in as opposed to
spreading it all out and while these are
[1:18:57] the issues here and those are the issues
there and and then we're just I Envision
[1:19:01] us having to look at so much and and and
not being able to maintain our focus and
[1:19:08] change that we may want to see happen
not happening because we've not done an
[1:19:14] in-depth look that's manageable
initially well one of the things that
[1:19:18] occurs to me that if if this happens
um NFR CAO can figure out a policy with
[1:19:26] them policies and procedures and what
they would have to follow and what that
[1:19:29] would look like then we would have a
template with which we could be sitting
[1:19:33] down with our local businesses and
saying
[1:19:36] we're thinking about getting food carts
in here and these are the policies and
[1:19:39] procedures they would have to follow so
that we're not just going to that empty
[1:19:42] hand and saying well we're not quite
sure how they would run it but they
[1:19:45] would run and and what the policies
would be comfortable
[1:19:51] again this is for the farmer's market
we're not going to have a whole lot of
[1:19:54] Leverage here once we agree with this
too
[1:19:57] because it's if we agree with food carts
it's the farmer's market food carts have
[1:20:01] nothing to do with the town
[1:20:04] what kind of Leverage do we have if
something's going selfish there's a
[1:20:08] bunch of complaints from the from the
local business owners like
[1:20:14] we don't have a whole lot of uh
rent here to sink our teeth to do if
[1:20:18] something's not going right
so that's where it would be when you're
[1:20:22] looking for the grit that would be
identified in the agreement that would
[1:20:27] need to be signed by this as a pilot
project the agreement
[1:20:34] in order to say these are our
expectations this is if if there is x
[1:20:40] amount of uh or problematic let's say
with litter you could have a provision
[1:20:44] within that agreement that if there is a
significant increase in litter uh that
[1:20:50] the amendment can be terminated it will
no longer be permitted for the rest of
[1:20:53] the season that should have been put on
the table before like you know included
[1:20:58] in a resolution
too early
[1:21:02] um and I just wanted
clarify what you're saying because it
[1:21:06] and like Gene this would be the last
thing I said I'd say um we are going to
[1:21:11] establish the criteria for the farmers
market for their food vendor like we're
[1:21:17] going to say here is what our pilot
project will include this you need to
[1:21:20] have this this so we're going to
establish that criteria that's correct
[1:21:24] otherwise they don't get a food card
correct okay but I just wanted I yeah
[1:21:29] because and again that was my fear is
that you know if we pass I don't like
[1:21:34] the 2015 bylaw any more than anybody
else and I think sometimes the badger
[1:21:40] the local businesses
they're not against food carts either
[1:21:44] but we want to make sure that we're all
played by the same rules if you're
[1:21:47] allowed to you know take a penalty and
I'm not allowed to take a penalty then
[1:21:51] it's two different sets of rules correct
and that's why that's why the food cart
[1:21:56] vendors generally have their own bylaw
itself that clearly outlines and it can
[1:22:02] be as specific as each municipality
chooses well they mentioned one thing
[1:22:05] about the city of Winnipeg in a game
I've mentioned before the city of
[1:22:08] Winnipeg has a whole different ballgame
including common laws and everything
[1:22:12] your carts have to go where they tell
you to go the criteria is crippling as
[1:22:18] well as the costs so right now as part
of through this the way that legislation
[1:22:23] is written food cart vendor would be
subject to the 75 Dollar
[1:22:28] business license that that every other
business is so in the city of Winnipeg
[1:22:32] to operate a food cart at a specific
location that the city has identified
[1:22:37] those costs to have that through the
season can range anywhere between 2500
[1:22:41] and 3
[1:22:44] but there's also things where you have
to bring your cart to their
[1:22:49] parking lot and they they store it for
you and they check all that the city of
[1:22:53] Winnipeg does that has nothing to do
with the farmer's market okay correct
[1:22:57] and so that's where when we look at how
in-depth legislation goes without really
[1:23:01] just
stepping a little bit into to what what
[1:23:07] is valuable we are not the city of
Winnipeg and so those rules and
[1:23:11] regulations may not fit here and so it's
what is the fit here is the so when we
[1:23:16] look at the downtown area is part of
that bylaw saying you know what a food
[1:23:21] cart is permitted after hours at do and
then do those locations still need to
[1:23:26] require
um portable washrooms like and so
[1:23:29] there's lots to think about before
really actually sitting down and writing
[1:23:33] formal legislation that's just going to
be permitted and once it's permitted any
[1:23:39] how many are permitted so there's lots
of things for Council to consider when
[1:23:43] looking at this and so this is a way to
address from what I understand and
[1:23:48] identified meat where there has been
several requests being being made in a
[1:23:52] controlled environment where we can
monitor some of the problem areas
[1:23:59] with minimal impact two legis
legislation and therefore
[1:24:06] minimizing any risk of well if they are
allowed why can't I because it's
[1:24:11] specifically outlined by a signed pot
like agreement under a pilot Project
[1:24:15] without change of legislation Council
yeah I just want to report on this one
[1:24:20] again
[1:24:22] um
[1:24:25] so is it possible then as a way of
starting that
[1:24:30] um
our CAO could bring to us the outline of
[1:24:37] an agreement that we would enter into or
that we would present to the
[1:24:42] Farmers Market
I think you have people are getting hung
[1:24:47] up so we can change the resolution for
the therefore be resolved that Council
[1:24:52] authorized the Cao
to
[1:25:04] present a pilot project
allowing food cart to present
[1:25:14] pilot project allowing a food cart
vendor for the 2023 season at the
[1:25:20] farmer's market law location only
present a pilot project
[1:25:29] foreign
Council approval
[1:25:39] for
so therefore be it hereby resolve that
[1:25:44] Council authorized the CEOs to present
for Council approval a pilot project
[1:25:51] allowing a food cart vendor at the 2023
season at the farmers market location
[1:25:56] only so therefore this resolution will
allow me to work within creating a bit
[1:26:03] of a template agreement for Council
review to see if there are amendments to
[1:26:08] what's being proposed and have that in
prior to then initiating the project
[1:26:14] itself
is there any plan to talk with other
[1:26:17] businesses before we agree to something
like this like in an open Forum Maybe
[1:26:21] so so when we looked at at this
particular things it's my understanding
[1:26:26] that the businesses that were impacted
were the downtown area and because this
[1:26:30] location is not within that downtown
area the intent is offering this locate
[1:26:36] this pilot project one vendor only not
in the downtown area to open those
[1:26:42] discussions for changing permanently
changing legislation and therefore
[1:26:48] involving local businesses
thank you
[1:26:52] Kelsey Kozlowski if we don't make this
resolution
[1:26:57] for
not only the farmers market but the
[1:27:00] whole town would have picked each when
are we going to revisit that again is
[1:27:05] there going to be time to revisit in the
summer to include the rest of the beach
[1:27:10] area that's an example that's one of the
things I was going to suggest is that
[1:27:14] once we have a look at
the recommendations in terms of this
[1:27:20] pilot project whether we should be
putting on our agenda for February
[1:27:26] or March to have a full discussion about
the process to look at Food vendors
[1:27:33] downtown and that and part of that
process I think would be meeting with
[1:27:38] the with the local businesses
um having some discussion with them
[1:27:41] about some of the concerns about not
having access to food and coffee and
[1:27:45] stuff
um did your evenings or Sunday
[1:27:48] afternoons those kinds of things
um
[1:27:52] and having a full discussion about food
vendors
[1:27:57] councilor Jarvis is it possible to have
this um
[1:28:01] what you described with the resolution
in within the next 30 to 60 days at the
[1:28:06] next meeting or the second next meeting
uh absolutely yeah so that we can yeah
[1:28:13] the way you just read the resolution if
example in January through week January
[1:28:18] we have this ready to discuss it but I I
and I think we can probably get a few
[1:28:23] business people involved in it if you
want to and heaven forbid that I've said
[1:28:26] the word special meeting but um if you
want to get some sort of a meeting
[1:28:29] together with three or four people then
and get them to establish criteria
[1:28:36] well we're talking about two different
things
[1:28:41] yeah right but what I'm saying is that
is this is about putting together policy
[1:28:46] policies and plans for a food cart at
the farmer's market where you know
[1:28:52] and
once we take a look at some of those
[1:28:55] preliminary policies and procedures then
having a fuller discussion about
[1:29:01] what we want to do with downtown
Winnipeg Beach and that would include
[1:29:05] talking to restaurants and business
owners down here no I understand okay so
[1:29:10] my question is once we agree to this are
we saying to the farmer's market they
[1:29:14] can have we are saying our CEO can put
together a policy and procedure that
[1:29:21] you'll bring back to council
we're going to establish correct here
[1:29:27] and it's not actually a policy and a
procedure it is an outline of the pilot
[1:29:32] project and things that are going to be
considered for the pilot project
[1:29:38] and the whole idea behind a pilot
project is you learn from it and you
[1:29:43] learn things that you have in there
maybe don't work or aren't necessary and
[1:29:47] things that you might have missed need
to be added so
[1:29:50] I haven't seen this resolution as a
start yeah to but a start in a
[1:29:56] controlled manner that you know instead
of
[1:30:00] that we can learn from and grow from
and and
[1:30:06] from there then
so let's just hypothetically say it all
[1:30:12] gets put together everything's on there
that Council agrees with and and then
[1:30:16] it's a goal
we have separate discussions
[1:30:21] what I'm understanding from mayor
Jackson is which would then lead to
[1:30:24] separate discussions that could involve
the business Community about and how can
[1:30:29] we move forward downtown right so why
don't we yes and that's my point with
[1:30:34] any pilot project you usually have all
your research before you you know you
[1:30:38] might try something and then fall off
the cliff and that's what I think just
[1:30:43] what I think we need to do is again get
the businesses involved before because
[1:30:49] they might come up with some really good
ideas as well that we can
[1:30:53] put into this pilot project before we
I'm just saying it's middle of winter
[1:30:57] time nobody it might be the time to do
it so it would seem to me that we are
[1:31:01] going around the circles and sort of
saying the same thing over and over
[1:31:03] we're saying two different things yeah
so I'm wondering whether we can simply
[1:31:07] go to vote on this and either pass it or
not or table or table
[1:31:12] so this is to authorize the CAO to
um
[1:31:18] present for Council approval
procedures around pilot project for a
[1:31:25] food cart vendor in the farmers market
location
[1:31:29] and I understand the recorded vote was
requested
[1:31:32] okay so all in favor
[1:31:39] and uh
a post for the table
[1:31:44] okay
carried
[1:31:53] be it hereby resolve that the ca'll be
authorized to sign the service contract
[1:31:57] between the town of Winnipeg Beach and
steric cycle shred it for shredding
[1:32:01] services
[1:32:07] Council Jarvis
second to please counselor Kozlowski
[1:32:14] discussion
[1:32:22] discussion anybody
all in favor
[1:32:27] Gary
[1:32:31] so rental agreement use the facility uh
just a CAO report and current rental
[1:32:37] agreement there is no resolution at this
time that I could think of for Council
[1:32:42] however if uh after reviewing that
Council would uh
[1:32:47] want to set direction to the CEO
[1:32:53] I think that we probably need to have a
clearer understanding with the renter
[1:33:01] in terms of the function and use of the
facility
[1:33:06] and I understand we probably can't
change it now because we've signed it
[1:33:09] into the 28th until October 2024 is that
correct that's correct
[1:33:13] however agreements can be amended if
both parties are
[1:33:21] this is not the first time that we've
had some concerns
[1:33:25] about having
um
[1:33:31] different functions happening on the on
the main level of the rec center while
[1:33:36] the canteen was open and so I think that
we're going to need some
[1:33:40] for the clarity to the agreement
[1:33:44] what do other people think
[1:33:48] Council Jarvis are we talking about to
the letter that was sent to the CIO
[1:33:52] about this because I think you know what
it's the cost of doing business
[1:33:58] you know what I mean like
I don't want to complain but I mean
[1:34:01] we're talking about things like parking
and so on and so forth but
[1:34:04] that happens all the time every time
they close Main Street for a function
[1:34:07] there's a dozen businesses down there
that are affected you know what I mean I
[1:34:11] just think it's it's craziness like even
Boardwalk days shuts the place down for
[1:34:15] five straight days
you know like
[1:34:19] the people in terms of this particular
issue
[1:34:22] to Jenna I have to heard of counselor
Jarvis
[1:34:26] um I also noticed that there were things
included in that letter to the CIO
[1:34:31] that aren't part of the agreement so I'm
not sure where the expectation comes
[1:34:35] from
[1:34:39] and I know this is going to be like a
humorous part but parking big deal I
[1:34:45] talk about it all the time you know what
I mean it's crazy
[1:34:49] I was waiting I was wondering you know
what I mean but and back like to back up
[1:34:55] Gene who backed up me is that it's a
cost of doing business you know what I
[1:34:59] mean like Barry himself has said that
you know he knows people that don't come
[1:35:02] downtown in the middle of the summer
it's a hot Saturday because they can't
[1:35:04] they won't get into a business things
happen okay
[1:35:09] other other comments
[1:35:14] comment clarify no further action by the
CEO
[1:35:26] be adhered by a result that Council move
in camera at 7 35 pm to discuss matters
[1:35:33] that are in the preliminary stages and
further be it resolved that any matters
[1:35:37] discussed while in camera are held
confidential until such time is
[1:35:40] discussed in open Council remover please
master who
[1:35:45] secondary please Council Jervis
all in favor
[1:35:50] Gary
thank you
[2:01:52] for dinner
[2:01:55] foreign
[2:02:03] moves out of camera at 9 40 pm and for 8
40 p.m and resumes the regular meeting
[2:02:10] of council
[2:02:14] can I get a mover please
[2:02:17] secondary counselor Jarvis
all in favor
[2:02:24] carry
be it hereby resolve that Council does
[2:02:28] adjourn at 8 40 pm to meet again on
January 11 2023 at 6 PM for the
[2:02:34] committee of the whole meeting get a
mover please
[2:02:37] councilor Jarvis secondary please
councilor jaslowski
[2:02:44] all in favor Carrie