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It is 630 p.m. and I call this meeting to order, please stand, and we will recite the pledge of allegiance.

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Good evening, everyone. This is a regularly scheduled meeting of the Winona City Council tonight. I have one announcement, and we will get started. At this time I would like to recognize Eric Semling of Cotter High School for his individual achievement as the Class A boys cross country state champion.

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I have to read a little bit more. Everybody can keep clapping all this read over. Eric, as you may recall, I predicted that we would recognize you again before the end of your high school career, and here we are.

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I predict we will probably see you every spring and fall for the next three years here as my guess, so we are excited about that.

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For the congratulations on your repeat class A state championship title earned on November 1st with the time of 15 minutes and 19.7 seconds that is crazy crazy fast that time was faster than your championship run last year by almost four seconds and you set a new class A record time.

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Prior to the state meet, you earned the three rivers conference championship title in the MSH SL section 1A title. You're an exceptional athlete. I also hear that you're an exceptional human and we are proud to recognize you for your continued dedication and hard work on behalf of the entire city of Winona City Council members. We send our congratulations to you on your back to back stage championship achievement.

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Thank you.

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That is always exciting congrats again, Eric. Thanks for coming down tonight. Appreciate it.

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With that, that's all I have an old pass along the city manager.

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Mayor and council would like to recognize city employee for her volunteer work and recognition received during a recent Minnesota state high school league football playoff game.

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Jean Meyer is an administrative assistant in the community development office and is volunteered for the cutter high school chain crew for all the home football games for the past 11 years.

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In her other chain crew members of Ron Olson 28 years of volunteering. Bill Ortega eight years of volunteering in Lori ortega six years of volunteering. We're selected to be the auxiliary marker crew during the nine man playoff game last Thursday November 13th at US bank stadium.

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Jean said it was a great experience and she's ready to go again next year. Always like to recognize and city employees are doing, of course community worker volunteer work for the community.

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That's it for this evening.

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Thank you.

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With that, I'll ask city clerk to take roll call.

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Mayor Sherman.

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Councilmember Young.

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I'm on.

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For each public hearing staff will make a short presentation and then I will ask if anyone from the public was just to speak to the matter.

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Please stay your name and dress clearly. You'll be given up to three minutes to make your testimony.

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I will call three times for public comments.

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Once the hearing is closed, the public may not participate in the discussion by city council.

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Under the required public hearings.

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Item 2.1 is a public hearing for the wetland replacement plan at 1222 West service drive.

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evening Mayor Council.

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The first public hearing tonight has to do with a wetland replacement plan for 1222 West service drive for a parking slash vehicle sales area expansion.

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The vehicle sales area is needed to do need to do to combination of the Chrysler and Ford dealerships at 1222 West service drive and 1244 service drive.

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The wetland area that is proposed to be replaced is shown on the screen in yellow there.

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It is approximately 0.1.8 or I'm sorry 0.1891 acres of wetlands.

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Those wetlands are proposed to be replaced with double that 0.3782 acres of wetlands from the granter wetland bank in Wavishaw County.

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Filling and replacement of wetlands at a 21 ratio is permitted pursuant to the Minnesota wetland conservation act.

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The project was reviewed in October by the city's wetland technical evaluation panel and it was given approval.

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Given approval from the technical evaluation panel staff would also recommend approval.

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Should Council concur a motion to adopt the resolution in your packets would be in order.

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I'm here for any questions.

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There you go.

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With that of open the public hearing.

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Designed by from the public was just speak during the required public hearing for item 2.1 wetland replacement plan 1222 West service drive.

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Hearing no one.

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I will close the public hearing.

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The council would adopt the resolution.

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A motion from Steve second from George any discussion.

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Hearing none all those in favor say aye.

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I'm two point two is a public hearing for the comprehensive plan map amendment for St.

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Look we'd like me to state item to be heard.

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The comprehensive plan map amendment before the city council today deals with the proposed neighborhood of mixed use land use designation at 614 and 624 West 6th Street.

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The former St. Cajumers church properties.

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The discussion and comments this evening should be your main to the land use designation and potential impacts that land use designation may have on the property as it relates to the comprehensive plan.

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Changes that have occurred since adoption of the plan and the proposed land use designation impact on the health safety and public welfare of the community.

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Thank you.

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Thank you may or thank you members of the council before you today as stated by the mayor is a proposed change from the traditional neighborhood to the neighborhood mixed use land use designation located at the former St. Cajumers church properties.

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This request would facilitate an end goal of the overnight shelter and long term associated supports services to be located at these combined properties.

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The required procedures require a first step the comprehensive plan map amendment which is before you this evening and already went through one public hearing with the planning commission which we will cover later.

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A second step which is a unified development code map amendment commonly called a rezoning and then a third step which is a conditional use permit which will address the individual specifics of that type of use at this location.

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Before you today are three review considerations.

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The first is is the amendment consistent with the policies and objectives of the comprehensive plan.

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The second is the amendment being requested due to changes which have occurred since adoption of the comprehensive plan.

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And third will the amendment have an undo or excessive impact on the public health safety or welfare.

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It's helpful to understand what land use designations are in the context of planning and zoning and comprehensive plans.

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Land use designations represent the communities long range intentions and preferences not necessarily the current regulatory environment for an individual parcel or property in the city of Winona.

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The unified development code and the zoning map are that implemented and based on future land use designations found in the future land use map which you are considering amending here today.

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Many potential uses that may be proposed for this specific location would require a change to in the comprehensive plan map amendment process and then a subsequent rezoning order to address things like a commercial daycare in mixed use development housing developments of more in five units.

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Emergen zero overnight shelters like the what is proposed in the long range here as well as things like restaurants grocery stores pharmacies clinics art studios and other elements you'll note that some of these potential uses would also require additional procedures like a conditional use permit.

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The specific properties in question today are located in approximately the west portion of the core of Winona circled in black on the map on the map included here this is found on page 46 of your agenda packet.

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They are surrounded by a mix of other land uses including traditional neighborhood neighborhood mixed use as well as public institutional as well as urban neighborhood and downtown fringe and industrial to the further east and northeast.

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The existing land use designation of traditional neighborhood is designed to provide a mix of housing options including middle density housing of one to four units untraditionally sized city lots.

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This can include things like townhouses triflexes and four plexes do plexes and twin homes as well as facilitating other elements like neighborhood parks schools and semi public institutions like the now closed church on this property.

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You'll note here as we look again at the surrounding land uses in the found in the future land use map that the subject property has a range of different land uses around it.

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including two blue dots that are included here which are residential daycares nearby the subject properties as well as a school to the south west as well.

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It is not simply a collection of single family homes and that this leads to the contingent nature of the expansion of the neighborhood mixed use in this specific area.

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Located to the north and northwest of this property are properties that are already designated for neighborhood mixed use in fact in our comprehensive plan we use the two adjoining properties to the north as example pictures.

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Here in this case we show that we want to see neighborhood mixed use areas feature small to moderate scale commercial businesses offices and studios medium housing densities and heights housing above neighborhood commercial as well.

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And it may be maybe challenging for some of these types of institutional uses and higher density housing uses and mixed uses to go into the existing lots.

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Again, we can see that our neighborhood mixed use properties adjoining the subject properties to the north and north west as well as other neighborhood mixed use nodes approximately 0.3 miles to the east and to the west of the subject properties.

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Here we can observe that well we have two addresses under consideration and two specific tax parcels there are actually five underlying plated lots that are being considered.

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As the consideration for potential reuse of the same casemars properties considered by the city council things like future rezoning and future uses and the associated setbacks lot dimension standards and sight dimensions standards would also apply to these lots as they are developed or redeveloped or reinvested in.

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The neighborhood mixed use proposed land use designation allows more flexibility on small typical city lots plated like these here before you today.

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Moving on to the overall criteria before you the first is is the amendment consistent with the policies and objectives of the comprehensive plan.

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This can be found in further detail on page 35 of your agenda packet first we can look at the land use and development section of the comprehensive plan.

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Specifically section 1.2 which talks about facilitating the reuse of underutilized properties such as a closed church as well as associated parking lots.

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As well as item 2.1 which is reducing the number of variants is especially related to reuse of existing structures which moving to a different land use designation like neighborhood mixed use may help facilitate.

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Moving on to page 36 in your agenda packet we can look at goal for the land use and development section.

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Here we note that specific strategies 4.11 and 4.12 allow for clear and predictable zoning standards through form based code application and neighborhood mixed use implementation in neighborhoods also providing buffers related to neighboring uses.

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The neighborhood mixed use land use designation is one of the few land use designations currently allowing facilitating the rezoning to a form based code zoning district in the city of Winona which could be potentially the mixed use neighborhood zoning district which would allow that standard application of form based principles as well as require buffering between neighboring uses and the existing properties.

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Moving to the next section we can look at page 36 and 37 of your agenda packet and we're moving into the homes and neighborhood section of the comprehensive plan.

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In goal 1 we look at the balance supply of housing choices as specifically objective 1.2 deals with increased housing density in our community.

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And specific strategy 1.2.2 calls for new housing choices and increased density, including those available to address homelessness, supportive, and transitional housing. Additionally, under goal 2, which is integrated mixed income neighborhoods that reduce segregation, we see specific strategy 2.1.1 calling for scattered site development of support of homes throughout our community.

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remaining in the homes and neighborhood section of our comprehensive plan, this is now in page 37 of your agenda packet.

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We can look at goal number 3, which talks about expanding housing development options, specifically objective 3.1, which talks about reinvesting and underutilized buildings and sites for potential housing development, such as for closed institutional uses, like St. Casimir's Church.

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Specific strategy 3.1.1 discuss prioritizing infill and redevelopment for increased housing choices, and 3.1.2 deals with higher density in your commercial nodes and activity sensors, similar to the contagious land areas to the north and north west of this property.

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3.1.5 promotes the reuse and renovation of existing buildings for housing development, something that would be facilitated by transitioning the land use designation in this specific location.

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remaining in the homes and neighborhood section of the comprehensive plan, we can move on to page 38 of your agenda packet, and we can look at section 4.2.6, which calls for the allowed flexibility to meet changing market conditions and community housing needs.

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As well as 5.1, which is about fostering housing support programs, and specific strategies 5.1.2, 5.1.3, and 5.1.4 directly call for community partnerships and working with nonprofits to address homelessness and those in need of emergency transitional and supportive housing, which this applicant is a trusted community partner for.

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The community services and institutions section of the comprehensive plan.

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This was a section of the comprehensive plan that was added at the request of the public when we heard from approximately 10% of all residents of our community.

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They said that they needed to be a connection for community services and institutions in our community.

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The community of one owner does not operate a health and human services division, the ability to address land use concerns and bring forward changes in land use designation is a way to foster connection that the city felt was the appropriate approach to address community services and institutions in the comprehensive plan.

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The second element to consider is whether or not changes have occurred at this site since the adoption of the 2045 comprehensive plan.

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Since the adoption of the 25 comprehensive plan, St. Casimir's church has been closed and was closed earlier in 2025, and they're seeking adaptive reuse opportunities.

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And lastly, will the amendment have an undue or excessive impact on the public health safety and welfare?

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The applicant's proposal does address a number of elements of concern both directly and directly that are found within the comprehensive plan that will advance public health safety and welfare outcomes in our community.

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The neighborhood mixed useful allow for a return to small and moderate scale mixed development consisted with the desired traditional development patterns of Winona using that form-based code element.

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As well as additional concerns are allowed to be addressed to the conditional use permit process which is required should this use move forward through all of the public procedure.

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As was mentioned at the start of my presentation to council, this is the second public hearing for the first step of these processes.

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On October 27, the Planning Commission also held a public hearing and the Planning Commission after hearing from members of the public voted unanimously to recommend approval of the proposed comprehensive plan map amendments.

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The full meeting minutes for those who would like to peruse it can be found on pages 47 through 54 of your agenda packet.

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The Planning Commission made four specific findings in its recommendation to the city council.

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One that the amendment facilitates an adaptive reuse of an existing building for housing development and to create housing for underserved homeless populations in accordance with the land use and development homes and neighborhoods and community services and institutions sections of the 255 comprehensive plan.

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Two prior to the adoption of the 2425 comprehensive plan the subject property was being used as a church.

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However, this use has ceased in 2025 and the building is no longer being used.

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Third, the proposed neighborhood mixed use land use designation will allow for small and moderate scale mixed use of the property.

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Fourth, the proposed neighborhood mixed use designation will have a beneficial impact on the health safety and welfare of the community by facilitating use of the subject properties to alleviate homelessness and improve community well-being.

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These are all found in attachment A pages 25 and 26 of your agenda packet, which is a resolution for consideration.

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Which brings us to city council's options here this evening.

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The first option that the city council has before is to approve the request adopting the resolution and attachment A in your agenda packet as recommended by the Planning Commission.

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This action would require a two-thirds vote.

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The second option before the city council today is to deny the request if denial is recommended specific reasons should be stated into the record and in this case the motion should be made to postpone further consideration and direct staff to bring forward a resolution of denial at the next meeting.

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And third, the city council may choose to table the request in which case a motion to postpone the meeting until a specific date for purposes of additional information or considerations should be made.

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The third reason stated during this process should pertain to the comprehensive plans directions changes that have occurred to the property since adoption of the comprehensive plan and impacts on health safety and public welfare.

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And with that I'm available for any questions or concerns.

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So, look, with these types of things, when they come with a comprehensive plan amendment,

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if, for say, it's just for argument sake.

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If this is not past this evening, you can bring another one, either this entity or any

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other entity can bring the same thing again for a different use, is that correct?

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Well, we don't have a specific timeline for when that could be brought back, any substantive

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change would allow for an applicant to return before the Planning Commission in City Council.

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So, if they came back with a use other than a homeless shelter, that would be easily

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considered before the Planning Commission in City Council.

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That could be correct.

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Thank you.

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Any other questions of Luke?

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Good.

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Senior Planer Sims, I understand that the agenda item today is to focus on this comprehensive

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plan map amendment, but can you remind all of us what is the role of the conditional

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use permit in this process, since that is what we are moving toward?

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The conditional use permit is a specific land use permit that we provide to properties for specific

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land uses.

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As I mentioned, as we went through a brief overview of potential other uses that the neighborhood

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mixed use would usher in, a number of those have specific criteria and general criteria that

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need to be addressed that are set within the comprehensive plan.

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While I don't recommend that the City Council looks specifically at the CUP criteria this evening,

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I will note that the CUP criteria found in the Unified Development Code for an overnight shelter

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is a fairly extensive list that also requires operation plans that be followed in year

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If they are not in the specific criteria of a CUP or not met, there is revocation procedures

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that flow through City Council that can be pursued.

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Thank you for that.

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So if I'm understanding right, even though a conditional use permit is allowed and an overnight

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shelter would be allowed in this designation, we know that it needs additional review and

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additional standards already as a part of this process.

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Thank you very much.

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Any other questions?

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Okay, very good.

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Thank you, Luke.

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All right, I will open the public hearing in a minute here.

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Hearing shall be opened and entered some persons upon giving their name and address or invited

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to speak to the City Council.

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I would remind Council members that you are allowed to ask questions of people speaking during

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the public hearing.

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But anything other than a question may be ruled out of order.

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So please keep it to questions only until the discussion after the public hearing has been closed.

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Here again, thank you.

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With that, I will open the public hearing.

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Everybody ready?

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I will.

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When you come up, I'll ask that you give me your name and address.

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You don't have to come in the order that you signed up on that sheet.

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I'll give you three minutes.

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If you can keep it shorter, I bet you everybody in the room would appreciate it.

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So if we get super, super, super repetitive, where it's just the same thing over and over and

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over again, at some point, I might stop it and just say, all right, how many, how many, how many

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against?

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Okay, if this goes on, like, two plus hours, I am going to add some point to say, got it.

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Thank you.

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Let's do a show of hands and kind of move along.

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So we'll see how long the stakes with that will open the public hearing.

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Does anybody from the public wish to speak during the public hearing for item 2.2?

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Good evening, Colin Sol, I appreciate having the chance to speak.

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I have some of you, my trader, 613 West Broadway.

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Thank you.

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Here we are, welcome.

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I've sent emails with some statistics, studies to all of you already, but tonight, I'm going to talk

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about testimonials that we've received from citizens here.

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One of them was my, well, not from my son, but my son went to a birthday party.

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One of his friends used to work at the shelter here in town and he knew that.

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So he mentioned this all going on in his parents and living across from it.

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And she mentioned that the reason that she quit working there is because she was tired of

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being physically accosted by the patrons.

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That's just, that's the story, just that.

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So that's just an example of the behavior.

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Another one is from Kelly Sue.

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She's a business owner couldn't make it here tonight, but she said, I am a business owner that

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was very close to the day center downtown.

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Myself and staff would keep our door locked at times due to feeling uneasy around patrons

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that hung out on the block.

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We had frequent screaming, fighting garbage.

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People sleeping in doorways, individuals with genitals out and urinating.

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I would never want this near my home, especially with the young children.

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I myself, never parked in the space where I would need to walk past the individuals because I would

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be yelled at with obscenities.

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I paid parking tickets instead of moving closer to that building.

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Another landlord who's actually somewhat nearby the current temporary location mentioned to us

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that two of his renters have had a call or was renters had a call of cops twice in one week

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because they were a little fearful because there was some unruly activity by a couple

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of the homeless population.

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So just a couple examples.

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I'll also show some pictures that we got from some business owners.

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This one is of a lady, half naked, urinating.

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Show everybody here.

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This one is another business owner who found human feces at his doorstep of his business.

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And then, of course, your general picture is of people out on the sidewalk, another person

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damaging a car, so forth.

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Extremely sad, don't get us wrong, fighting against this location.

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There needs to be a shelter somewhere we understand that.

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We're not against a shelter in general.

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But to remind of the one rule, it needs to not show any undue risk to health, welfare,

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and safety.

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I think this kind of shows that what we're going to deal with in our neighborhood, shelter, and

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and all shelter.

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It's just unfortunately, hard facts, and we can live in a world of rainbows and unicorns, but this

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is the truth what happens out in the street.

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And we have a school, it was mentioned that that's part of mixed use, well, I think that makes

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it even worse because there's an elementary school there.

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And you're going to have this kind of activity out amongst the residents.

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So we ask you, cordially, to use common sense, and deny this location.

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Thank you.

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You're good?

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Thank you.

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Could I ask the opponent to come up, please?

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Good.

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Good.

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My name is John Myers on the Executive for County Charities.

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And technically, you'll have up to 10 minutes to speak.

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Okay.

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So just to, again, get back to one of the main reasons why we're here tonight about the Com plan

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adjustment.

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So St. Cansbury is a property that is owned by the diocese of Winona Rochester.

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It's a property that, as was mentioned, was being used as a church, but now is closed.

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We were offered the opportunity to look at the site to possibly bring activities for Catholic

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charities to that location.

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Obviously, what was top of my mind was trying to find an overnight and day center for some place

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in Winona.

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And as walking through Cansbury realize that there was a lot of opportunity there for overnight

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and day center.

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But I also saw there was a lot of opportunities for other services that we could offer to a community

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services such as for those, you know, 55 and over.

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We already have some exercises, but we wanted to do other kind of services for the aging population

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in the community.

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Ways of addressing loneliness, things for meals, maybe move some of our office base over there

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as well.

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So there was a lot of discussion and thought of how that property could be used for other services.

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I know when I put the plan forward and that was, that is the primary thing was to be an overnight

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and day center.

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But at the same time, we had a lot of other thoughts that could be used for the site.

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So what's before you to the proposal, I don't know what to say, what you guys would say

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if this gets the night tonight, what does St. Casimir become to the city of Winona?

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With that I would, you know, if I can offer Father Thompson to come up as well, who is the owner of the

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police.

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Yes.

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Good evening, Mayor, City Council members, my name is Father Will Thompson, I'm the thicker general

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for the diocese of Winona Rochester, speaking on behalf of the owner of St. Casimir's properties.

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May I address as well?

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May I address, please?

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Yes.

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2907, Jeremiah Lane, Northwest, Rochester.

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Very good.

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Thank you.

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It is our intention as trying to be good.

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Good neighbors to be transparent about our ultimate goal for this property. And with that goal, we believe

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that's with the diocese owning the property and catheterities staffing and using their resources

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to fill out the purpose of the property that we would have a very unique opportunity and

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ability to help the city fulfill goal number 5, especially objectives 1.3 and 1.4 of the

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comprehensive plan. If the council denies this request, I do believe that the property would be

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underutilized in the future, seeing a former church building, I believe it would be limited to a single

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family housing units. We do have three parking lots or three lots used for parking right now.

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Those could be potentially rebuilt, I believe, under the current zoning as individual family homes.

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However, if the council voted to amend the comprehensive plan as requested, we believe that there would

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also be opportunities to fill fill objectives 1.2, 2.1, 3.1, 4.2 and or increase neighborhood businesses in

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this area. So as we are requesting, in this meeting to amend the comprehensive plan by rezoning

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these five lots, we believe that there's a significant advantage to voting in the affirmative,

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so that there would be more conversation, more specific conversation in later meetings about how

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those properties would ultimately be utilized in the relatively near future. Thank you.

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Thank you. Thank you. Let's hold the question. So after public hearings, let's thank you.

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And I can bring you back up at that time. Thank you. Thank you. As anybody else from the public

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wishes speak during the public hearing for item 2.2. My name is Tom Parlin. I'm an 853 west

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Mark Street. And our community, our Winona community will be judged and be a place where

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how well we treat the poor and the vulnerable. So and I was the first director of the shelter way back

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in 2017. And our relationship with the city was very good. There was a really good

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work together on this. There was some real need and there was no shelter before this shelter opened in

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2017. My the one way that I think things will be different is that we have not had 247

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shelter in this, you know, within our system. And I think that creates loitering when you don't

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have when the hours aren't covered. Right now the way it's working out, it's 247. And so

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so people who are homeless will have a place to go at any time of the day and they won't be in the

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public urination or any other places like that because they will have a place they will have a shelter

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to go to whether it's the day center or the overnight shelter. And so I think that's how things could

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me different. And I think everybody agrees we need a shelter. It's a system and nobody wants it

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and their neighbor would understand that. But it is a need and I think St. Casimir is really the best

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option for this place. It's free for catheterities and it is a very good space and there is a

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little bit of a buffer, you know, with the wall and the north side with the rectory, the east side of

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the building and streets on the west and on on the north. So thank you. Thank you.

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Does anybody else from the public wish to speak?

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Robert Spence, 611 West Broadway, 700 West Fits, 704 West Fits. I will say half of the pictures

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that Mike showed happened during operational hours at the current facilities that were downtown. So

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while we would think a 247 shelter would prevent that it doesn't. If there's anything that's going to

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make me get a haircut, it's the camera. It's terrible. So the catheterities are proposing to

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dump a warming shelter and homeless shelter into our neighborhood. And kind of on short notice,

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without a lot of, you know, leeway, I think I got the first notice the Saturday before the Monday of the

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first meeting. I called Luke on that. Maybe fact check by self. Found some people I got it.

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Now, who were expected to not a long and expect that this will be controlled and peaceful, neatly managed

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operation and it's not going to be because 247 coverage doesn't mean that there will always be 247 coverage.

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Everyone on the room knows that I'm not going to sit here and pretend otherwise just to make people feel

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better. Now, I could talk about my business, but my priorities, my family, my children.

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They're not an experiment. They're not a charity's wishful thinking. They're not your political image.

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People of attack me online telling me I should let my kids see the real world, but they don't know me.

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So that's ignorant. My kids have seen plenty. I take them to a bar because I own it.

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What we don't need is instability placed on our doorstep because the Catholic charities couldn't be bothered

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to find a more appropriate location within the city. Let's be serious. This will bring chaos,

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this will bring crisis, this will bring constant unpredictable, high risk behavior.

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I spoken with the business owners in the area of downtown. I spoke with people that deal with

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these situations every day. I even had a first responder from Rochester reach out to me to tell

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me I don't want this in my neighborhood. He said keep fighting against it because it's nonstop

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background for overdoses fighting, stabbing, stealing and emergency crews on repeat. That's the reality

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behind this sanitized image that it'll be safe. And you want it here in the neighborhood,

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packed with toddlers, one of mine, kids walking to daycare that'll encounter drug activity,

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that'll encounter drug dealers because drug dealers are good salesmen. So it wouldn't be that many of them.

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They go to where the business is. You want elementary schoolers playing in the yards with adults that

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have full mental crisis going on, like, right in their front yard. You want parents to just hope

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nothing like this happens. That's kind of outrageous. Individuals keep trying to sell this fantasy

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that everything will be supervised orderly and perfectly maintained, but that model doesn't exist anywhere.

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Doesn't exist here, doesn't exist in the state, doesn't exist anywhere in the nation. There's always chaos around shelters.

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Shelter's deal with addiction, mental illness, desperation, volatility, and that's what no one is talking

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about. You want to push this through and you're intentionally potentially placing our children at risk.

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Again, our children, the most important things of our lives. The Catholic charities is trying to choose

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the most vulnerable population and put them exposed to some of these risks on a daily basis.

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For me, it'll be every morning, noon, and night because I'm in the neighborhood all the time.

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I'm just repeating this would be irresponsible. It would be reckless, it would be a complete failure of

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leadership. Should we allow this to proceed? Thank you. Thank you.

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Good evening. My name is Katie Mueller Free Tag. I live at 267.43 County Road 15.

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Here today to voice support for our Catholic charities move to St. Cashmers.

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When I first noticed the day center downtown in Winona, I was surprised by what a welcoming spot

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it was and how accessible it was. As someone who has dealt with homelessness and used shelters throughout the country,

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I found it really accessible and welcoming. I also found it low barrier, so at some facilities I've used.

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I've had to prove certain things or do certain things to use the facility and I didn't see that at this one.

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And so I just always felt like it was a welcoming space. Since it's been in town, I've

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well, right when I noticed it, I checked it out to volunteer, but that didn't work with our schedule

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because I have a young child. And so we would do other things like bringing goods that they needed snacks,

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socks, boots, coats, things like that. And then once the warming center opened up, we signed up to

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do meals, provide meals for that. And I have my child do that. Those things with me, they drop off things at the

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day center. They help cook for the meals at night. And I think it's a really valuable resource in our community.

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I think the potential to use sink cash mirrors as wrap around service is amazing. I didn't know about

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the other ideas to include other services for the aging population, but I love that too because there's a lot of space there.

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And I think that it follows a lot of the things that the comprehensive plan has laid out, which many of us

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have spent time filling out. Carlos and Luke did a great job putting the report together and I appreciate

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how Luke lined it out tonight. And so I just want to voice my support. And hope that it passes.

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All right, good. Thank you.

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Does anybody else from the public who should speak?

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Good evening, everyone. Bryce Byrely, 725 West Broadway. I've just got a little pre-written piece here.

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I'm just going to read to you guys. To probably homeless shelter or a warming shelter on top of an existing

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rehab house in this neighborhood isn't providing services. It's dumping the city's burden into one

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community and pretending it's fairness. It is careless, it is lazy, and it is completely unacceptable to

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expect one neighborhood to absorb every problem the city doesn't want to deal with elsewhere.

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And let's talk about that rehab house real quick. We supported that because it was structured,

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supervised and designed to help people rebuild their lives. That was a responsible program and we

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accepted it because it had rules, accountability, and a path forward for the people inside it.

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So why would Catholic charities turn around and drop a high risk, high instability, warming

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center, one block away from people who are actively trying to stay sober? Why would they put temptation,

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triggers, and chaos right next to individuals fighting to get better? How does that make any sense in

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this universe? If you try to care about people rebuilding their lives that you don't put the very things

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that they're trying to escape directly next door, you don't undermine progress and you should certainly

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don't shove that risk on the families who already opened their doors to one facility in good faith.

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This neighborhood has stepped up once and we did our part and now the city and Catholic charities want to

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punish that goodwill by loading us with even more and I think so. It's time for the city to respect what

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this neighborhood has already contributed and stopped treating us like the dumping ground for every

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solution that they don't want anywhere else. Thank you. Very good. Thank you.

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Who's next? My name is Matt Starks. I live at 710 West Fist Street,

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Winona Minnesota. This is my wife. We just bought a house three months ago. We just bought the house there.

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We were never notified of that. We would not have purchased the house. Had we have known that you guys

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are planning on putting a homeless shelter next to where we live. We want to have a family. I want to have

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a family. I want to raise children there. Thankfully, I don't have any children yet. So I can choose to

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move if I need to. If this is passed, I strongly oppose this. And that's my opinion.

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Very good. Thank you.

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Good evening. Many have said race. I live at 711 West Fist Street and in the neighborhood for years,

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along with my family, you built my home in that area. Always been a peaceful, nice neighborhood.

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I like it that way. I'm off for places for homeless people to go. Although I think there is better

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uses for that particular area. Maybe child care? How about pregnant mothers?

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Some place for them to go that don't have a home. Anything but a warming shelter. I also believe

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that site has historical value in the sense that it is a Catholic historical site and related to

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St. Stance in case you didn't know. I don't believe that area should be molested in any way. Thank you.

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Good evening, Michael handwriting. I see a first hand of decision is grounded in data and

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evidence consistently lead to better outcomes than those driven by fear or emotion. Tonight,

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I urge you to apply the same principle to the comprehensive plan, map amendment for the former

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sake as church properties. When we look at the data, the case for the amendment becomes even stronger.

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The data shows that emergency shelters are critical part to any communities response to homelessness.

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According to the National Alliance to End Homelessness Shelter's Save Lives,

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prepared for a pre-reality deaths from exposure and providing immediate safety.

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Communities without adequate shelter capacity see higher rates of unsheltered homelessness,

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which leads to more police calls, more emergency room visits, and a greater strain on public systems.

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Research also demonstrates that shelters reduce the visible impact of homelessness in neighborhoods,

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a well-managed shelter like Catholic charities provides a supervised safe environment which decreases

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our shelter to cabinets, and improves public order. This is not speculation that it's documented in

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national studies and the experience of cities across the country. The 2045 comprehensive plans specifically

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calls for adaptive reuse of underutilized properties, redevelopment, and preserve neighborhood character.

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This housed the end housing diversity that includes supportive and transitional housing.

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To some end, it directly advances these goals. It takes a break at

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Church, and reuses for housing and services exactly what the plan of vision.

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Unsheltered almost this leads to expensive emergency rivets, police interventions and crisis services,

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by providing a safe, supervised place for people to go, shelters reduce those costs, communities

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that invest in shelter capacity, spend less than emergency responses, and see better outcomes

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for public safety and health. Let's address the concern I've heard from some of my neighbors.

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They support services for the in-house, but not in their own neighborhood.

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I understand that fear, it's natural to feel protective of our community,

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but the data tells a different story. HUD and urban institutions to its studies show that well-managed

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shelters and housing do not increase crime or reduce property values. The planning commission reviewed

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this proposal and unanimously recommended approval finding a consistent with the comprehensive plan the

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reason we're here tonight. Vacant buildings dragged down neighborhoods, active supervises, strengthen them.

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St. Casimir's has always been a place to service. This plan continues that legacy,

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keeping the property active in a line with a neighborhood scale. If we say we want services for the

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in-house, but refuse them in our own neighborhood, we are simply pushing the problem onto someone else.

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True community means sharing responsibility. This amendment is about compassion,

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practicality, and fairness. I urge you to approve the comprehensive plan map amendment for St. Casimir's

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search. Let's choose compassion, practicality, and evidence-based decision making to build a

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stronger phenomena. Thank you. Thank you. Michael, could we get your address again? Michael.

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Very good. Thank you.

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Hi, Marcus Jones. I live at 552 West Wobbyshaw Street. The reputable research that I found in the data that I found

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does show that crime does go down overall in the city, but in the immediate vicinity where a

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warming center is placed, crime increases, including disorderly conduct, trespassing, big-rinsy, and drug use.

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I'm opposed to rezoning due to the applicant's suggestion of the land use. I'm opposed to Catholic

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charities suggestion for a warming house that would not be a benefit to the residential area. The family should

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be prioritized in a residential neighborhood. I do not want to be part of an experiment. My family

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safety is more important to me than that. Thank you.

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Hi, my name is Amber Beeman. I'm co-owner of M. G. on 5th with my family located at 500 West Fist Street.

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Just a couple of things. Sorry, I'm very nervous right now. Number one, the new location isolates

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people from critical resources, safe cashmeers is on the opposite end of town from the current

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warming center and from mental health services, addiction resources, job opportunities and basic

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necessities like stores. Many people experience homelessness struggle with addiction, mental health

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challenges and lack of reliable transportation. Moving the shelter from so far from these services,

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we make it harder, but it's also just bandaging the problem that we're having. Within the residential

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area, there is daycare schools and family homes. Obviously, we know that. Well, I'm just going to go off

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script here. I personally have been encountered with homeless individuals. I've seen it firsthand

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where they're in front of our business year and evening. Of course,

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basically trying to make me scared, following me to my car, and I understand you're going to say,

456
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oh, well, it's end of closing times this is in that. It doesn't matter what time it is of the day.

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They will come, they will be there, and they will make you scared. I've had them come into the business.

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I've had them panhandling, asking people for money, and I understand, and I'm very compassionate with this.

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But it's not the place, because I also, as well, bring my children to the bar because it is a family

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bar. And that's just how it is. We need solutions to lift people up and not simply relocate them.

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The goal is to have long-term healing and rehabilitation not to just temporarily put them in housing

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to help them when they truly need more help than what we can as a community give them. Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Good evening. My name is Charles Lobdell. I live at 226 Can to Street here in Winona.

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I support the amendments to the comprehensive plan, because based on my reading and the comprehensive

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plan, this compiles with the requirements of it, I think first of all consider St. Casimir,

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it's no longer church. The property needs to be redeveloped, has to be used for something.

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I think you go up and down, broadway, in other areas of Winona, you see other houses of worships

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and have closed down, been retired. This is going to be an ongoing problem for Winona, and I think we

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have to start addressing it. What are we going to use these properties for? Now, at least changing

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the designation around the church itself, because it options, I'll remind you what's

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me is later on, but at least because it's options to the church as to where to be used in the neighborhood

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itself, and also as a president, how other churches can be used to redevelop another neighborhoods.

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I'll support now that you yourself in the map. Tink his mirror is not a little island surrounded by

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a bunch of quiet residential areas. It already have butts and next used neighborhood. It already

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butts commercial property. It's next to commercial ongoings. Second thing is it's not a quiet

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little neighborhood. I mean Broadway. It's a fortalling highway to the mill of town. That's what St. Casimir's

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on. It's like people make their comments without other comments. So. So, I think, and the

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amendment to the complaint is not effect the other starting property. The effect is just the block

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or it's even the four or five lot for St. Casimir's. It's not changing anything else in the area.

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It will allow more options to property itself, which I think is what the compliance desire to do,

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and it gives more options for people that want to come in and develop that area. In addition,

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I'm going to see how it affects health safety and welfare, because just by changing designation,

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we're not looking at the actual use. We're just looking at change and designation itself,

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because it doesn't change the use of it. It's not effecting health safety and welfare at this point. That's

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some for a later discussion. For those reasons, I ask you to vote yes on change to the

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complaint. Thank you. There you go. Thank you.

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Good evening. My name is Debbie Rigdon. My house and I live at 6.53 West 5th Street. On Saturday

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afternoon, a seemingly homeless man was walking by our house, barefoot pushing a shopping cart,

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and like he was looking to check his appearance in the car windows of our neighbors. He wasn't

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checking his appearance. He was looking for things to steal. I'm afraid if this proposal goes through this

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is going to be more and more common in our neighborhood and nobody wants that. Also, if people

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are turned away from a homeless shelter or emergency shelter because they're too high or too drunk or

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where will they go? Will they go into our grudges, break into our cars, break into our homes?

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I think our safety should be number one. I'm opposed to the plan for St. Cass from your church because

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of the safety of my neighborhood and for those that innocently pass or visit our neighborhood. Thank you

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for your time. Thank you. Hi, Brittany Hennessy, 851 West Wobbysha. I also operate a business

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for blocks away from St. Cass Mears and they live three blocks away from St. Cass Mears and I want to

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really ground my conversation in the fact that per Luke's presentation. This is not the only step.

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This is a complement amendment. This is not a vote for the conditional use permit or the actual

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rezoning of this. Okay, so complement amendment. We're simply changing what the use could be. I think

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I have that correct that it could be used for other things and what it is now. So I want to kind of

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ground this in the fact that yes, catheterities submitted this application because they have the idea of an

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overnight shelter. That requires a conditional use permit. That's not this vote. At that point,

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you would get ample more material safety plans. Did you meet with your community? Have you done the right

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reconstruction? Doesn't meet all of these requirements? That is not tonight. What tonight is

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is looking at what can this building be used for? Should it be used for more things than what it is now?

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And I want to also center this in the fact that catheterities does more than shelter work. I know right now

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that they have active aging program programs there. I think there's like a hundred plus seniors

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in a week that are going and doing exercise programs. As a community, you can say no to a shelter if

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you really want in the future. When you go and you get that conditional use permit, but this is to say

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can catheterities use it for more. What if I want nutrition programs in my backyard?

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What if I want to go to a grief program because I lost my dad to cancer three years ago?

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And I don't have a place to go to do that. So I urge you all to think about where we are in this phase,

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which is just saying can these lots be used for something else? And as a community, think of

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can catheterities bring something else positive to our community? Can you open up that conversation with them?

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Because there are other programs that they do. And if you say no to this tonight,

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based on the R1 designation, they cannot expand their programming, pass their exercise programming

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right now. So just want to re-center in the fact that this vote is for a complement amendment.

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This vote is not you saying yes to a shelter. By any means, that is two steps down the road. And I urge

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you all to have more community conversation about what that means. Thank you.

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There you go. Thank you.

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Does anybody else from the public wish to speak tonight?

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Hello, Mayor and council, my name is Scott Knox, the next I live at 156 East Broadway.

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I was actually a member of the transformative projects subcommittee and coming up with the comprehensive

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plan for the city. And one of the key projects that that subcommittee decided to prioritize over a lot of

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other things we could have seen is actually transforming and influencing the future of this committee

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was additional housing options. And I went back and re-read the comprehensive plan from that subcommittee

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today. And it starts by saying this. Having a place to call is a basic human need. And it's

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being able housing is a foundational element, it's sustaining a successful city. Throughout the creation

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of the 2045 comprehensive plan, the need for increased housing choices in Winona has been a common

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theme among all participants. General public subcommittees in the steering committee. People want to live

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in Winona, but many have a hard time finding a home. Comprehensive plans are not simply

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a document to dictate the bureaucracy or the zoning regulations of our community. They're actually

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a vision for where we want to be morally as a community for the next 20 years. It's shocking that in

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the comments tonight about what we want to do for a neighborhood mixed use permit. No one actually

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recognizes the Christian doctrine of the building that used to be there. I don't remember a kind of

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Christian doctrine saying we should just neglect our neighbors because it's uncomfortable for us. I don't

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remember parents in this community saying I want to protect my children from the animals that might live

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in our neighborhood because that fulfills the Christian beliefs I might have. When I worked on the

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comprehensive plan, I saw it as a moral doctrine that we could use to better our community. I asked

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that we would have mental health and addiction services built in our community, but that really wasn't

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a priority. I asked that the city would actually support more affordable public housing in our community,

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but that wasn't put in the comprehensive plan. The one thing that was actually codified in the comprehensive

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plan was that we could do exactly what we're voting on tonight. It makes small changes into the zoning

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codes and regulations of this city to make life a little bit easier for the people who don't have it

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very easy. And if you would ask the county housing supervisor about the residency rates in this community,

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it's worse than it is in New York City. It's harder to find a home than it is in some of the most

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populist places in this country. And if we basically say I'm sorry, your messy life can't be a part of my

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nice life and we've just basically turned our back on the moral future of what this comprehensive plan

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is supposed to be. As others have said, this is not the final decision-making point, but this decision-making

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point says we are not giving up on the possibility for a better future in our community. Thank you.

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Very good. Thank you.

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Anyway, else from the public wish speak.

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Good evening. My name is Stacey Owecky. I met two, two, six Kansas Street.

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And thank you for this opportunity and thanks for all the service you do. This is a tough decision.

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But I approve the change to the comprehensive plan and what St. Cashmeers will be used for.

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What I'm worried about is the possibility of St. Cashmeers being torn down if it's not used for another

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purpose. I've known as other Catholic organizations in this.

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City, we've torn down the schools at St. Stan's, we tore down the school at St. Mary's, and they tore down

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Lord's Hall, which is kind of like tearing out a little piece of our hearts. So I would think, I would

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hate to see this happen to St. Cajumiers, and I don't see anybody up anyone other people up here

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wanting to use that building, and it does fit into the comprehensive palean to reuse these

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churches for other purposes. We know that church attendance is decreasing, and we have to do something

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to these buildings. And I think housing, the poorest in our community, and taking care of them

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is a very important issue. Also, I think St. Cajumiers would be good, because if you look at that,

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there's a buffer on each side of that building. There's two large parking lots. There's also a concrete wall

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on the back of it to kind of buffer it from the rest of the neighborhood. And I have a lot of faith and

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catheterities that there'll be rules and regulations, and it will help to protect whatever they do in that

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building to protect the community. And I must admit, every time you have people, you do have

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problems. So I do sympathize with the neighbors, but they have a bar in that neighborhood. What kind,

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and they don't ever see people, you know, causing problems outside that are or the other. Other businesses

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there, if you have people, you have problems. And a lot of the homeless do, they have drug problems,

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and alcohol problems, and mental health problems. But a lot of people in our community do have those

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problems, but they have money. They have money to buffer them from living on the streets. I think the biggest

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problem with these people is poverty. And we need to do something to help eradicate that. Thank you.

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Don't knock it off here. Okay. Good evening. My name is Chris Anderson, and I'm here on behalf of the

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school board at St. Matthews Lutheran School. Located at 7.56 West Wobbysha street. I am here tonight not to

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oppose the goal of compassionate aid and assistance for the homeless people in our community, but to

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speak against these specific location being proposed. My primary concern is student safety. The horrific

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events on August 27th at a non-se Station Catholic Church in school in Minneapolis.

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Started our school year off with a darker minder of just how vulnerable schools are. It forces

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to rethink our school's security and overall well-being. Locating a facility like this, less than

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a thousand feet from our elementary and middle school, with an enrollment of just under 100 kids.

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Creates an undue and immediate increase in risk that cannot be ignored. If Madison elementary school

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was still operating, I wonder if this location would still be considered. The presence of any

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shelter inherently creates complex challenges, including issues of mental health, substance abuse,

588
01:03:19,040 --> 01:03:25,440
and transient populations. All of which require special considerations and distance from our

589
01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:34,080
most vulnerable and valuable residents or children. The Catholic Church charities of Southern Minnesota

590
01:03:34,080 --> 01:03:38,640
website describes a current overnight shelter as a low barrier shelter. Low barrier homeless

591
01:03:38,640 --> 01:03:42,800
shelters generally defined as a type of shelter that minimizes requirements for entry to make it easier

592
01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:48,080
for people experiencing homelessness to access the place to stay. These shelters often allow guests to

593
01:03:48,080 --> 01:03:53,040
stay while under the influence of substances and to have very few other requirements for admission.

594
01:03:53,600 --> 01:03:57,920
While comments have been made about current policy being to turn away people who appear to be under the

595
01:03:57,920 --> 01:04:03,440
influence before they are allowed in for help, where do those who are turned away go and they're potentially

596
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:08,880
compromised mental state? With this proposed facility being located in the middle of residential housing,

597
01:04:09,440 --> 01:04:14,720
near multiple in-home daycares and our school, that doesn't sound as reassuring as it is intended to be.

598
01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:20,320
The Catholic Church charities website also states that admittance after checking cutoff time,

599
01:04:20,320 --> 01:04:26,080
which is 9 pm can be facilitated through local law enforcement. If there isn't a safety or

600
01:04:26,080 --> 01:04:34,400
security concern, why is law enforcement required forcibly checking in? Sorry.

601
01:04:36,560 --> 01:04:40,880
So, Director John Meyers who spoke earlier, mentioned that the goal would be to have

602
01:04:41,680 --> 01:04:47,840
the center become the day center and warmest shelter during the winter. With this being the goal,

603
01:04:47,840 --> 01:04:51,600
the end goal of the new location, it only increases the level of concern for the safety and

604
01:04:51,600 --> 01:04:55,680
wellbeing of the residents, businesses, and schools in the immediate area.

605
01:04:56,720 --> 01:05:00,880
Rather than choosing a location simply because it is empty and needs a new purpose,

606
01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:06,320
what encourage all of those involved? I would encourage all of those involved to consider a location closer

607
01:05:06,320 --> 01:05:10,960
to the other services and programs intended for this at-risk portion of our community.

608
01:05:11,840 --> 01:05:16,960
To address homelessness, responsibly means finding a site that provides effective services without

609
01:05:16,960 --> 01:05:21,920
creating an immediate and undeniable conflict with the residential neighborhood. I strongly urge

610
01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:26,720
you to uphold your duty to the students of the community as well as the residents of our neighborhood.

611
01:05:26,720 --> 01:05:31,600
We ask that you won't know on the current proposal, rather than delay a final decision to a future

612
01:05:31,600 --> 01:05:35,760
rezoning vote. Very good. Thank you.

613
01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:44,880
Hi, I'm Shelby Spence. I live at 6.11 West Broadway Street.

614
01:05:45,200 --> 01:05:51,520
As a nurse, oftentimes my job requires me to connect patients with resources. They may need

615
01:05:51,520 --> 01:05:58,560
for various reasons. Many of these services which provide medical care, addiction treatment, mental health

616
01:05:58,560 --> 01:06:05,920
services, or even jobs are essentially located or even more downtown in Winona.

617
01:06:07,520 --> 01:06:12,960
Many of these people don't have transportation. We're struggling to get places and the buses only run

618
01:06:12,960 --> 01:06:20,400
at certain hours of the day. So, moving the shelter to St. Casimir's would really be less an ideal

619
01:06:20,400 --> 01:06:24,560
location for this population in need and would really be providing them a disservice.

620
01:06:25,600 --> 01:06:30,480
When what they need is a pathway recovery and these services which are located downtown can help provide

621
01:06:30,480 --> 01:06:35,440
that for them. If I were truly doing my job as a nurse, which is to be an advocate,

622
01:06:36,160 --> 01:06:41,440
I would be doing greater harm than good by voting for the homeless shelter to be moved to St. Casimir's.

623
01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:47,840
I think that's sticking with the Wesley Church as a good option as well as the diocese building.

624
01:06:48,880 --> 01:06:56,000
As these are keeping the population, this population in the location that would be most beneficial for them.

625
01:06:57,040 --> 01:07:02,320
I know these buildings cost money and require some work, but now would be a good time to start funding

626
01:07:02,320 --> 01:07:07,280
and coming up with the plan for that for next year. Thank you. Thank you.

627
01:07:12,320 --> 01:07:13,520
Same by else which is weak.

628
01:07:18,400 --> 01:07:22,960
That's stroke. 423 West Viv. I disimply oppose the proposal.

629
01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:24,640
Okay, there you go. Thank you.

630
01:07:29,200 --> 01:07:38,560
I'm Debbie Nebore. I live at 571 East Howard Street and I would urge the City Council tonight to also vote

631
01:07:38,560 --> 01:07:47,200
to amend the land use comprehensive plan, whatever it's called. I agree with that this is not the

632
01:07:47,200 --> 01:07:53,440
night we're going to decide on the designation of that building. Catholic charities has outlined

633
01:07:54,000 --> 01:07:59,280
some of the very good services they would like to put there, but as somebody else stated there's a lot of

634
01:08:00,400 --> 01:08:07,040
steps before that happens. So this is the first step that gives Catholic charities some options

635
01:08:07,600 --> 01:08:13,120
to use a church that is totally empty. They would like to use it for some other

636
01:08:14,080 --> 01:08:21,280
things that they feel are in line with their Christian philosophy and I would vote that you follow that.

637
01:08:22,640 --> 01:08:29,920
Personally, I volunteered at the warming shelter from the time it opened until COVID.

638
01:08:30,560 --> 01:08:38,960
My shift was I's 830 at night till 230 in the morning. I felt very safe there. Every single time

639
01:08:38,960 --> 01:08:49,280
I was there. I was not threatened. I was not costed. I stopped volunteering there only because of COVID

640
01:08:49,280 --> 01:08:56,400
and because I'm older. I didn't want to be around a lot of people to possibly catch COVID. This is

641
01:08:56,400 --> 01:09:03,840
pre-vaccination. At that time I switched to packing groceries for homeless people at the Catholic

642
01:09:03,840 --> 01:09:10,480
worker house. I did that for 18 months. I still volunteer there once or twice a week. I make breakfast,

643
01:09:11,280 --> 01:09:19,280
lunches for 20 to 25 people. I am not saying that there's never any bad behavior or there isn't any

644
01:09:19,280 --> 01:09:26,880
problems. That's unrealistic. But I do want to say is that meeting the people at the warming shelter

645
01:09:27,760 --> 01:09:34,080
and at the Catholic worker has been one of the richest experiences of my life. The people have

646
01:09:34,080 --> 01:09:41,360
been kind. We've seen lots of people turn their lives around and it has enriched my life. Please vote to change

647
01:09:41,440 --> 01:09:48,720
this plan. Good. Thank you.

648
01:09:51,040 --> 01:10:00,000
Good evening. Tracy Tim 6161 West 7th Street. I've lived in the neighborhood there for approximately

649
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:07,040
30 years. Six years ago my husband and I sold our house in one of our separate ways and when I moved I

650
01:10:07,040 --> 01:10:15,120
chose 6161 West Wavishaw because it is a secure building. For myself, my safety, I have grandchildren,

651
01:10:15,920 --> 01:10:24,720
it was just secure and I like that. I work full-time at RTP, but I also work part-time at 700 West 5. The

652
01:10:24,720 --> 01:10:33,760
bar that was referred to. I would challenge anybody here in the 15 years that I've been going there working

653
01:10:34,560 --> 01:10:41,680
there to see how many police calls that facility has actually made. You're going to find that it's

654
01:10:41,680 --> 01:10:51,200
nothing or very minimal. And if it was, it was for unreliable patients. Not even a customer. One instance

655
01:10:51,200 --> 01:11:00,080
I was in there and said meth person who admitted it to me passed out in the entryway and was screaming

656
01:11:00,080 --> 01:11:07,600
and screaming for help so we called 911 as a good bartender would. They got there and said I'm sorry

657
01:11:07,600 --> 01:11:13,440
there's nothing we can do. He's not harming anything. So there he was lying. We finally got him to go

658
01:11:13,440 --> 01:11:20,640
sit outside. But this is the kind of stuff we don't need in our neighborhood. I'm just strongly opposed to it

659
01:11:20,640 --> 01:11:27,360
because like I say 30 years in said neighborhood I would hate to have to leave what I've known my

660
01:11:27,360 --> 01:11:34,320
whole life. I see now there's a house for sale that's right across from the church now.

661
01:11:35,920 --> 01:11:40,400
There's a reason they want to sell that I'm sure because they don't want to deal with it also.

662
01:11:41,440 --> 01:11:46,320
I have like I say three grandkids they come to grandma's house. I want to take them on a walk. I don't

663
01:11:46,320 --> 01:11:54,240
want to walk in past drug addicts, needle ridden streets, they live out of town, two in Russford,

664
01:11:54,240 --> 01:12:00,880
one on Garvin Heights and my kids chose that because they have clean freedom. I'd like them

665
01:12:00,880 --> 01:12:08,000
to be able to have that at grandma's house too. So I just please hope you say no to this just for the

666
01:12:08,000 --> 01:12:14,240
people in our neighborhood. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

667
01:12:14,960 --> 01:12:26,240
Anybody else care to speak? I'm on the same side. You can say whatever you like.

668
01:12:26,240 --> 01:12:32,240
Yeah. I mean no swearing and stuff. No swearing. Yeah. I promise no swearing.

669
01:12:32,240 --> 01:12:42,160
My name is Joyce Tolugin. I live at 220 West Fifth Street here in Winona. Ironically I can speak first hand

670
01:12:42,240 --> 01:12:48,800
and dealing with unfortunate people. I'll put it that way. I also want to say I don't believe there's

671
01:12:48,800 --> 01:12:57,120
one person in this room that isn't concerned for the homeless. I believe we all are. But it is in the wrong

672
01:12:57,120 --> 01:13:03,520
place where we're trying to or you're trying to put them I will say. I live right across the street from

673
01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:12,240
the new theater that is going up. Because of the houses that were left vacant I dealt directly

674
01:13:12,240 --> 01:13:19,120
with. I'm very sure some of the people that were referring to and let me tell you they are not nice

675
01:13:19,840 --> 01:13:25,600
and they are stubborn and they went into a house that they were not supposed to be and they were moved.

676
01:13:25,600 --> 01:13:32,720
They were removed four times and they came back every night. Put jeans on a ceiling fan and turned it

677
01:13:33,520 --> 01:13:39,360
on high. The house just about caught on fire and did at one point. I don't know if it was because

678
01:13:39,360 --> 01:13:48,000
of anything having to do with them. But what my point is is let's work together. Do you really want to

679
01:13:48,000 --> 01:13:55,440
go against the taxpayers that have been maintaining these homes that have children that have been working

680
01:13:55,440 --> 01:14:01,520
to maintain their properties? Seriously? I think we can come up with an alternative plan like the

681
01:14:01,680 --> 01:14:07,280
diocese building. What would be wrong with that building? It's right in the center of town and I do

682
01:14:07,280 --> 01:14:15,840
have something if you would like a leave it with Luke. A very quick Google. I googled where our homeless

683
01:14:15,840 --> 01:14:23,680
shelters typically placed. Homeless shelters are generally located in or very near business districts

684
01:14:23,680 --> 01:14:30,640
and urban cores. And why? Because they have access to services. They have transportation issues.

685
01:14:31,040 --> 01:14:38,640
They have walkability. It's right here and I also checked into lacrosse. What does lacrosse do with

686
01:14:38,640 --> 01:14:45,440
theirs? Nobody is nobody wants anything to happen to these people in a negative manner. But let's proceed.

687
01:14:46,240 --> 01:14:55,920
Lacrosse, their people are located. General downtown area. I can leave this with you or you can look it

688
01:14:55,920 --> 01:15:00,000
up yourself. But let's really please. I ask.

689
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:05,340
This is for consideration for the business owners and the homeowners of that area. I know we can help

690
01:15:05,340 --> 01:15:11,040
these people. I have helped these people. But I think this is the wrong location with all due

691
01:15:11,040 --> 01:15:16,480
respect to St. Kazmer and Catholic charities. St. Kazmer is of which I belong to for many

692
01:15:16,480 --> 01:15:23,240
many years. But I'm asking you to please consider this. I think it was a hasty decision. I

693
01:15:23,240 --> 01:15:28,520
don't know why they picked that area. But now you know what our stance is and I'm asking you, please

694
01:15:28,520 --> 01:15:35,160
consider this. And does anybody have any questions for me up there? You're not allowed to ask questions

695
01:15:35,160 --> 01:15:40,040
during the public hearing. Well, that's really too bad because you could learn a lot for me. I'm just kidding.

696
01:15:40,760 --> 01:15:43,640
All right, that's all I have. Thank you. I'm sure we could. Thank you.

697
01:15:49,240 --> 01:15:50,600
Is anybody else suspicious?

698
01:15:50,600 --> 01:16:03,800
Oh, sorry. Hi. My name's Dana Walker. I love at 68 Center Street. Other risk of just, you know,

699
01:16:03,800 --> 01:16:09,560
parody and whatever one else has said in approval of the comprehension plan of my men going through.

700
01:16:10,840 --> 01:16:16,840
I feel like we're kind of for gain this idea of, and you know, if we want to go back to like

701
01:16:16,840 --> 01:16:22,920
Christian doctrine, which you know, this is a Christian building was a church. Love guy neighbor is pretty good here.

702
01:16:23,640 --> 01:16:27,880
These people are neighbors. The homeless people are our neighbors, but they're not like it.

703
01:16:29,160 --> 01:16:34,440
I feel like a lot of the rhetoric that has been saying like, oh, this is the wrong place or oh, there's

704
01:16:34,440 --> 01:16:42,840
by our places. That's going to be repeated no matter where we put this. I also think that, you know,

705
01:16:42,840 --> 01:16:50,040
if we do this amendment, it can just be used for a lot of great other things whether or not we decide whether or not

706
01:16:50,040 --> 01:16:57,400
the city, whether or not the community, don't know exactly who says yes to that, whether or not it is

707
01:16:59,400 --> 01:17:04,520
was it actually designated as a full time, you know, they center warming shelter.

708
01:17:05,400 --> 01:17:10,840
There's a lot of things that we can do with that building, but you know, I just think that these people

709
01:17:11,000 --> 01:17:17,000
are neighbors, you know, love their neighbor. We should want to help them. You know, we can get into

710
01:17:17,880 --> 01:17:23,880
what else we can do to help them like, you know, increasing transportation of our city buses, you know,

711
01:17:23,880 --> 01:17:29,720
having more mental health resources, a lot of things that we can do, but right now we do need to fix the

712
01:17:29,720 --> 01:17:35,960
problem of, hey, you know, there's, actually, I don't know if there is a permanent place for the

713
01:17:35,960 --> 01:17:40,520
day center and warming shelter, but, you know, we'd be great if there was like natural permanent one.

714
01:17:40,520 --> 01:17:44,120
Anyways, before I start randomly, thanks. Very good. Thank you.

715
01:17:47,640 --> 01:17:49,240
Is anyone else wish to speak this evening?

716
01:17:56,760 --> 01:17:58,280
Dick, I'll get you next, okay?

717
01:17:59,080 --> 01:17:59,880
Do you want to go first?

718
01:18:01,480 --> 01:18:08,120
I'm Diane Luke, Ed Monson. I live at 516 Dakota Street, which is four and a half blocks from St.

719
01:18:08,120 --> 01:18:16,600
Cajamas, and this is a funny way to meet so many of my neighbors, but it's pleasant to know that we're all

720
01:18:16,600 --> 01:18:21,960
living in the neighborhood together. I like to voice my support for the map, I'm the mid-change,

721
01:18:21,960 --> 01:18:27,560
and largely because of what Luke presented earlier, I was a part of that.

722
01:18:28,280 --> 01:18:35,240
Pre-planning of the Comprehensive Plan, and there were many subcommittees that were a diverse representation

723
01:18:35,240 --> 01:18:41,640
of this community laying out of vision for what this community is about, and I feel like this does fit

724
01:18:41,640 --> 01:18:49,800
within the parameters of what that comprehensive plan lays out, and I support it, and I look forward

725
01:18:49,800 --> 01:18:54,600
to more of these meetings where we get to have a public exchange. I think this is a rare opportunity,

726
01:18:54,680 --> 01:19:00,680
and a really special one, within a community and within a democracy, that we would get a chance

727
01:19:00,680 --> 01:19:05,960
to bring our opinions here, and to voice them openly, and to know that we're also going to be neighbors

728
01:19:05,960 --> 01:19:09,800
at the end of it. So thank you for your time and efforts, and I appreciate it.

729
01:19:09,800 --> 01:19:11,560
Here you go. Thank you.

730
01:19:15,240 --> 01:19:17,080
Dick, would you prefer a hand-held mic?

731
01:19:19,800 --> 01:19:20,440
Hey, Dick?

732
01:19:21,720 --> 01:19:23,240
Oh, you're fine. Okay, good.

733
01:19:25,480 --> 01:19:30,600
My name is Richard Dahl. I live at 1167 West Fifth Street.

734
01:19:31,320 --> 01:19:38,040
I've lived in Winona, 40 years. I love this city. I love the people. I've worked

735
01:19:38,040 --> 01:19:43,880
along other things as an alcohol and drug counselor for 25 years, and out of the

736
01:19:43,880 --> 01:19:50,200
about 2,000 people I worked with. I can't remember anyone I didn't respect or like.

737
01:19:50,840 --> 01:19:59,400
I know that people, but I'm not here because we're not discussing really a homeless provision.

738
01:19:59,400 --> 01:20:09,080
I support the amendment, because living, I think having a diversity of opportunities in a neighborhood

739
01:20:09,080 --> 01:20:17,080
is helpful, different businesses, they make usually small businesses, make services available,

740
01:20:17,160 --> 01:20:20,840
so I speak and supportive of that. Very good. Thank you.

741
01:20:36,680 --> 01:20:43,560
Good evening, Mayor and council. My name is Mary Ferrell. I live at 665 West Fifth Street,

742
01:20:44,520 --> 01:20:51,560
which is really directly behind St. Kazmer's Church, and I do want to ask you to support

743
01:20:51,560 --> 01:20:58,920
this amendment to the complaint. And I'm sure I'm probably one of the only neighbor in the

744
01:20:58,920 --> 01:21:07,720
media neighborhood that is for this. And I know, again, we are specifically addressing the homeless

745
01:21:07,720 --> 01:21:14,120
shelter, but I just want to say a couple of things. And that is that I have volunteered with the

746
01:21:14,120 --> 01:21:22,280
Winona Catholic Worker for 30 years, which is on the 800 block of West Broadway. And that has been

747
01:21:22,280 --> 01:21:32,760
one of my most rewarding choices in my life. And so the having St. Kazmer's as a possibility for this

748
01:21:32,760 --> 01:21:41,480
Mormon Center and Dase Center, I think is appropriate. I do. In a sense that it's a former

749
01:21:41,480 --> 01:21:50,200
Catholic Church that now has the opportunity to do more than just be a place of worship. It would also

750
01:21:50,200 --> 01:22:00,360
be a place where people can find solace and can find people who do want to care for them and try to

751
01:22:00,360 --> 01:22:06,760
help them through this difficult time in their lives. So thank you for this opportunity. I appreciate it,

752
01:22:06,760 --> 01:22:23,320
and thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Does anybody else from the public wish to speak this evening?

753
01:22:23,400 --> 01:22:36,200
Hello, TJ Low, 65548th Avenue, good view, Winona, formerly 79 West Fistory. Now, me and my wife, we

754
01:22:36,200 --> 01:22:42,200
bought that house 10 years ago. This was just right two months ago that we left the neighborhood.

755
01:22:43,080 --> 01:22:47,160
And it wasn't due to any homelessness or anything like that, but it was just due to crime,

756
01:22:47,160 --> 01:22:52,920
crime in general. Now I live on that cornerhouse for the whole time. And I got to see that neighborhood,

757
01:22:53,000 --> 01:22:57,560
and I fell in love with that neighborhood, and we decided we were going to raise our children

758
01:22:57,560 --> 01:23:07,480
in that neighborhood. And over the 10 years I was there, I watched steady decline in that neighborhood

759
01:23:07,480 --> 01:23:17,960
with drug usage, violence, repeat offenders on multiple different things. One being two houses

760
01:23:18,040 --> 01:23:24,040
down to the right of me, looking out, guns drawn on the home. I went and grabbed my children

761
01:23:25,160 --> 01:23:32,280
and I protected them. I didn't know what was going to happen. Then when we're playing outside,

762
01:23:32,280 --> 01:23:39,640
I have domestic violence on the other side of me. Now, this happens in every neighborhood, I get it.

763
01:23:40,040 --> 01:23:49,400
But what I think is that I do think something should go there. Now, this neighborhood, particularly,

764
01:23:49,400 --> 01:23:56,120
is trying to battle itself back into a great neighborhood. These are people that are homeless,

765
01:23:56,120 --> 01:24:00,920
that are coming into this neighborhood, making this problem. It's people who live there,

766
01:24:00,920 --> 01:24:06,360
that are making this problem. So we have small pockets in our neighborhood that need help

767
01:24:07,320 --> 01:24:13,240
and that need something other than what they're getting. So to put this on top of that,

768
01:24:13,240 --> 01:24:19,080
it's kind of like a compound issue. We have to figure out what's going on in our neighborhood now,

769
01:24:20,040 --> 01:24:25,480
because it can't support the neighborhood to be crumbled. We can't support it. That's all I'm

770
01:24:25,480 --> 01:24:35,240
trying to say. We need the resource, but this neighborhood right now cannot support what's going on.

771
01:24:36,120 --> 01:24:42,120
We need to take care of the neighborhood first. Lay a nice foundation. It's something that

772
01:24:42,120 --> 01:24:49,880
can't support that down the road, maybe. I don't know. But right now, we as a former resident there,

773
01:24:49,880 --> 01:24:56,680
I just know, I saw it every day. It just can't support a warming shelter at this point.

774
01:24:57,800 --> 01:25:00,280
That's all I got. Thanks. There you go. Thank you.

775
01:25:05,560 --> 01:25:14,040
Does anybody else who's just speak during the public hearing? We'll get you next, Sherry.

776
01:25:17,880 --> 01:25:22,920
I haven't sat at you, so I'm not good at speaking, but I had it. Don't worry. I'm nervous too.

777
01:25:22,920 --> 01:25:27,480
Okay. I suppose I'm just on the other from this start, but my name is Carrie Offman. I love it.

778
01:25:27,480 --> 01:25:36,360
703, West 6. I have won this house for many years, and it's Kitty Corner from the Church.

779
01:25:40,280 --> 01:25:46,680
My major concern is with all the kids that live on this neighborhood and all the day cares and the schools

780
01:25:48,440 --> 01:25:55,560
and my house, value is going to go down. I'm very compassionate to help people that really need the help.

781
01:25:55,560 --> 01:26:02,520
But there's a lot of people that are on drugs and have alcohol issues. And if they get turned away,

782
01:26:02,520 --> 01:26:06,920
I don't want them to stand on my porch. I'm just Kitty Corner. It's right there.

783
01:26:09,000 --> 01:26:15,240
Or anyone else is in this family neighborhood. I do not believe this is a right place for a shelter.

784
01:26:15,240 --> 01:26:20,920
I do really care about the people that need help. This is just not the right place.

785
01:26:21,880 --> 01:26:27,480
And I really believe we do need a shelter. I appreciate and thank all of you for this.

786
01:26:27,480 --> 01:26:29,480
They're how I feel on this subject.

787
01:26:31,080 --> 01:26:33,080
Very good. Thank you.

788
01:26:41,080 --> 01:26:49,880
My name is Jerry Papin-Fus. I live at 225 Maine in Urnona, and I'm here to support the amendment request that's before you.

789
01:26:50,680 --> 01:26:56,840
Thank you mayor and city council for doing for being council people in the mayor.

790
01:26:57,560 --> 01:27:03,800
Evenings like this, I know make your job really tough. And I thank you for your service.

791
01:27:04,840 --> 01:27:11,160
I support the request for the following reasons. There's an urgent need to house the homeless.

792
01:27:11,880 --> 01:27:19,400
Finding a suitable building is almost impossible. And I know that staff will testify to the

793
01:27:19,400 --> 01:27:24,840
amount of work that they have put in and trying to find location.

794
01:27:27,080 --> 01:27:35,080
Number four, the city has a responsibility to shelter the homeless. The city is fortunate that

795
01:27:35,080 --> 01:27:40,760
Catholic charities is willing to accept the responsibility to make the program work.

796
01:27:40,760 --> 01:27:51,480
If the or assuming that the policing of the residents is the challenge that has been outlined tonight,

797
01:27:52,040 --> 01:27:59,320
I would suggest that the city council consider taking some of the money from the opioid fund

798
01:28:00,040 --> 01:28:05,720
and using it to help work with Catholic charities and solve the problem.

799
01:28:06,280 --> 01:28:13,160
I know that the city's money has been turned over to the county, but the county has a responsibility to

800
01:28:13,560 --> 01:28:17,000
and so I encourage you to look at that possibility.

801
01:28:18,520 --> 01:28:25,080
The requested change falls within the comprehensive plan and I believe that one of the council's

802
01:28:25,080 --> 01:28:32,520
responsibility is to make positive action happen within the guidelines of the comprehensive plan.

803
01:28:33,160 --> 01:28:39,480
This project falls within those guidelines for the good of the whole community.

804
01:28:39,480 --> 01:28:42,840
I encourage you to grant this change. Thank you.

805
01:28:43,480 --> 01:28:44,440
Very good. Thank you.

806
01:28:48,600 --> 01:28:50,680
Does anybody else from the public wish to speak this evening?

807
01:28:54,280 --> 01:29:00,680
Kelly Shrader, 613 West Broadway. I just made notes today so I didn't really come planned and prepared.

808
01:29:00,680 --> 01:29:08,360
So I kind of took notes from everyone around. First of all, to the gentleman West Broadway is not a

809
01:29:08,360 --> 01:29:14,120
foreign highway. It's Broadway Street for a reason. It turns four lanes right past my house fast,

810
01:29:14,120 --> 01:29:17,640
so it's not a highway. It's a street. Let's just clear that one off.

811
01:29:19,400 --> 01:29:24,840
My question is, and this is like a serious question because I'm still learning all this stuff.

812
01:29:24,840 --> 01:29:31,720
So I'm assuming Catholic charities is funding all of this and paying for this. Do they pay for

813
01:29:31,720 --> 01:29:37,800
is it the volunteers that come in that work here 24, 7? Is it employees that they hired to come in?

814
01:29:38,520 --> 01:29:43,800
These are just kind of questions that I have. When someone someone someone did mention that earlier,

815
01:29:43,800 --> 01:29:50,120
when someone is turned away because of drug alcohol, oblivious, whatever the problem may be, where do

816
01:29:50,120 --> 01:29:56,440
these people go? Are they going to come to my front porch? Are they going to break into my house?

817
01:29:57,320 --> 01:30:00,040
These are all things that I did happen to call my-

818
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:07,000
The insurance company today, and when that happens, and yes, I know whether it can cause your insurance to go up as well.

819
01:30:07,000 --> 01:30:15,000
But I've had no place. So, with this being happening, my insurance is going to go up at least $300.

820
01:30:15,000 --> 01:30:22,000
So, when there's vandalism to my property and it's beyond my deductible, my homeowners insurance is going to go up $300.

821
01:30:22,000 --> 01:30:28,000
First time, who knows what second time or third time. Now let's talk about cars or garages or anything like that.

822
01:30:28,000 --> 01:30:30,000
Those were some points.

823
01:30:30,000 --> 01:30:34,000
I do think Sancazmiers could be used for something else.

824
01:30:34,000 --> 01:30:39,000
I really do. I don't want it to stand vacant. I don't want to vacant a lot across from my house.

825
01:30:39,000 --> 01:30:47,000
I wanted to be used for something great. I think right now that the elderly are using it for exercise classes, at least two, three times a week, phenomenal.

826
01:30:47,000 --> 01:30:51,000
I'll even come join you because I'm there. I get my art card.

827
01:30:51,000 --> 01:30:56,000
But what that being said, there could be other uses, daycares.

828
01:30:56,000 --> 01:31:05,000
Okay? Single family homes, maybe a part-end buildings, you know, that aren't, I'm sorry, for a homeless shelter.

829
01:31:05,000 --> 01:31:13,000
That's just my, I guess, my fear. If you want to put it that way, might, some sense of security.

830
01:31:13,000 --> 01:31:18,000
I won't ever stay home alone. I can guarantee you that. I don't care what kind of security system I get.

831
01:31:18,000 --> 01:31:24,000
I'll go stay at my dad's for a night. I will never be able to alone or not. We'll leave that out.

832
01:31:24,000 --> 01:31:32,000
So what happens when they are turned away and they do end up, do I call the police? How many times did they just, I think I heard somebody earlier, say,

833
01:31:32,000 --> 01:31:39,000
by no, nothing we can do about it. So then what happens? Do I get to lock and load?

834
01:31:39,000 --> 01:31:42,000
Just saying nothing I do. Just putting that out there.

835
01:31:42,000 --> 01:31:44,000
Maybe I need to.

836
01:31:44,000 --> 01:31:55,000
Some buffers. I've heard that tonight. Oh, there's buffers on each side. Well, I see that buffer right between St. Casvers and the apartment building or whatever business is on the fifth street side.

837
01:31:55,000 --> 01:32:03,000
Just watched a drug deal yesterday. So it's not like I'm not already dealing with things. I just don't need any more added to it. Thank you.

838
01:32:03,000 --> 01:32:12,000
That's last question really quick. Why are we moving it from the current location, which I believe is that Wesley right now?

839
01:32:12,000 --> 01:32:16,000
Those are just questions, because my understanding is that they wanted it to stay there.

840
01:32:16,000 --> 01:32:22,000
But Catholic charities wants to take over. So those are just some questions that I have. Thank you.

841
01:32:22,000 --> 01:32:26,000
Very good. Thank you.

842
01:32:26,000 --> 01:32:33,000
Anybody else from the public? Somebody else from the public was to defeat this evening.

843
01:32:42,000 --> 01:32:46,000
Hello, Adam Mushler, 901 West, fifth street.

844
01:32:46,000 --> 01:32:55,000
I guess I would just like to, seems like we're coming to a close and here, just kind of rephrase this.

845
01:32:55,000 --> 01:33:06,000
This is a vote on a pretty narrow zoning change that was unanimously voted on by the planning committee and recommended.

846
01:33:06,000 --> 01:33:16,000
I think it would be a very unusual and I would argue on ethical place to stop this process and because there needs to be a super majority tonight.

847
01:33:16,000 --> 01:33:18,000
Very good. Thank you.

848
01:33:18,000 --> 01:33:24,000
Does anybody else from the public was to speak this evening?

849
01:33:24,000 --> 01:33:33,000
Now last one last time, does anybody from the public was to speak this evening?

850
01:33:33,000 --> 01:33:37,000
Ted Hazelton, 1073 West, fifth.

851
01:33:37,000 --> 01:33:41,000
I'm about six or seven blocks from St. K. asmers.

852
01:33:41,000 --> 01:33:49,000
And my concern is we hear a lot about compassion and we need to do something. Yes, we do.

853
01:33:49,000 --> 01:34:02,000
However, if you look at the stipulations for the zoning change, number three is going to be the biggest issue to try to

854
01:34:02,000 --> 01:34:09,000
how do you make it safe? What's determined?

855
01:34:09,000 --> 01:34:17,000
You know, I'm thinking, how do you say it?

856
01:34:17,000 --> 01:34:24,000
Is it in the community's best interest? Will it make the community safer? Will it be a detrimental impact?

857
01:34:24,000 --> 01:34:33,000
And I believe the answer is yes. It may meet the first one or two criteria, but definitely not the third.

858
01:34:33,000 --> 01:34:39,000
And as far as compassion it goes, it goes both ways.

859
01:34:39,000 --> 01:34:46,000
There needs to be compassion for the folks that have invested in a home there and live their lives.

860
01:34:46,000 --> 01:34:56,000
I've been in my address for 22 years and I'm adjacent to a mixed use property zoning.

861
01:34:56,000 --> 01:35:08,000
I've seen everything in my 22 years. We've had a car part store. Then it became a plumbing supply place.

862
01:35:09,000 --> 01:35:14,000
Then people ran it out and were working on stock cars.

863
01:35:14,000 --> 01:35:21,000
And they come home from the race track at one and two and a morning in their revenues and squealing the tires.

864
01:35:21,000 --> 01:35:26,000
How is that conducive to neighborhood harmony?

865
01:35:27,000 --> 01:35:32,000
I think there could be some problems down there too. As many point it out.

866
01:35:32,000 --> 01:35:41,000
If they're denied access to the warming shelter because of various problems or situations, where do they go?

867
01:35:41,000 --> 01:35:52,000
I don't need to come home and find somebody's sleep on my doorstep or they broke into my garage or they're sleeping in the backseat of my car.

868
01:35:53,000 --> 01:36:02,000
I have, I have kids that are raised in that area. I have grandkids that come down from Canada.

869
01:36:02,000 --> 01:36:05,000
They don't need to see this stuff.

870
01:36:05,000 --> 01:36:17,000
So please, seriously consider the third stipulation for this zoning exchange because it may look great on the first two.

871
01:36:17,000 --> 01:36:28,000
It might pass, but number three is the biggest issue. I don't think anybody is opposed to a homeless shelter. It's the location.

872
01:36:28,000 --> 01:36:31,000
Thank you.

873
01:36:31,000 --> 01:36:35,000
Very good. Thank you.

874
01:36:35,000 --> 01:36:44,000
Does anybody else from the public wish to speak during the public hearing?

875
01:36:45,000 --> 01:36:54,000
Hello, my name is Ryan Sinning. I'm at 706 West Broadway. I have the Yellow House directly across the street from St. Casmeers that is for sale.

876
01:36:54,000 --> 01:37:04,000
As soon as the news was public about the potential warning house, the value on my house did not go up.

877
01:37:04,000 --> 01:37:08,000
It decreased quite a bit. It is for sale.

878
01:37:08,000 --> 01:37:16,000
It is a tough pill to swallow to try to sell a house directly across the street with that proposed option.

879
01:37:16,000 --> 01:37:25,000
While I do support a mixed use, the adults work out anything else is great.

880
01:37:25,000 --> 01:37:28,000
That's fabulous. Absolutely support that.

881
01:37:28,000 --> 01:37:35,000
But being directly across the street makes it really tough to sell a house. That's all. Thank you.

882
01:37:35,000 --> 01:37:40,000
Thank you.

883
01:37:40,000 --> 01:37:44,000
Anybody else from the public wish to speak this evening?

884
01:37:44,000 --> 01:37:50,000
I'm going to ask one last time, and then I'm going to close it. Anybody else from the public wish to speak?

885
01:37:51,000 --> 01:37:55,000
Required public hearing for item 2.2 comprehensive plan map amendment.

886
01:37:55,000 --> 01:38:00,000
St. Casmeers Church Properties at 614 and 624 West 6.

887
01:38:00,000 --> 01:38:06,000
Hearing no one, I'll entertain a motion to attend or to close the public hearing.

888
01:38:06,000 --> 01:38:11,000
Motion from Steve's second from George.

889
01:38:11,000 --> 01:38:13,000
All those in favour? Say aye.

890
01:38:13,000 --> 01:38:14,000
Aye.

891
01:38:14,000 --> 01:38:17,000
Hearing is now closed.

892
01:38:18,000 --> 01:38:22,000
All right.

893
01:38:22,000 --> 01:38:26,000
Okay. Now council can discuss. We can recall the city planner.

894
01:38:26,000 --> 01:38:35,000
If you have questions and or if you have questions from the applicant.

895
01:38:35,000 --> 01:38:38,000
Same.

896
01:38:38,000 --> 01:38:42,000
First of all, I'd like to thank everyone for engaging in the process.

897
01:38:42,000 --> 01:38:49,000
If my notes are right, we exactly tied the number of people who spoke before planning commission.

898
01:38:49,000 --> 01:38:53,000
Weird coincidence, but you did it. Great job. Thank you for engaging.

899
01:38:53,000 --> 01:38:56,000
This is how community decision making is supposed to work.

900
01:38:56,000 --> 01:39:01,000
Second, I really want to thank staff for such an informative presentation.

901
01:39:01,000 --> 01:39:06,000
It's really easy to assume the worst when we don't have all the facts.

902
01:39:06,000 --> 01:39:09,000
Shared understanding is key for good decision making.

903
01:39:09,000 --> 01:39:13,000
I want it to be really clear what we are voting on tonight.

904
01:39:13,000 --> 01:39:15,000
This vote is the first of three steps.

905
01:39:15,000 --> 01:39:20,000
The third of which is a conditional use permit for an overnight shelter run by Catholic charities.

906
01:39:20,000 --> 01:39:23,000
Out the city of one out of the Catholic charities.

907
01:39:23,000 --> 01:39:30,000
This step only changes the zoning to allow for a variety of different uses.

908
01:39:30,000 --> 01:39:33,000
This is the same zoning that allows for things like.

909
01:39:33,000 --> 01:39:38,000
Lateau's bakery. Penguins us those. E.B.'s corner bar.

910
01:39:38,000 --> 01:39:45,000
I think that very few people in this room haven't issue with the designation itself.

911
01:39:45,000 --> 01:39:49,000
This isn't a bad land use designation.

912
01:39:49,000 --> 01:39:52,000
It's fitting. It gives us more flexibility.

913
01:39:52,000 --> 01:39:56,000
The question we're being asked tonight is only.

914
01:39:56,000 --> 01:40:04,000
If is neighborhood mixed use an appropriate set of rules for this space in our community.

915
01:40:04,000 --> 01:40:07,000
And that for me is an unequivocal yes.

916
01:40:07,000 --> 01:40:15,000
I want our existing spaces to be flexible so they can meet our current needs, especially as we're navigating a housing crisis.

917
01:40:15,000 --> 01:40:20,000
What I've heard from all of you and everyone who's reached out to me before tonight,

918
01:40:20,000 --> 01:40:23,000
I can largely break down into two themes.

919
01:40:23,000 --> 01:40:29,000
First, a value that everyone in our community is able to live with dignity.

920
01:40:29,000 --> 01:40:33,000
Whether that be the stranger, my neighbor, or myself.

921
01:40:33,000 --> 01:40:39,000
Second, a concern for potential negative impacts on our community.

922
01:40:39,000 --> 01:40:44,000
Whether those negative impacts are neighbors not having a warm place to sleep at night,

923
01:40:44,000 --> 01:40:48,000
or fearing potential harm to our families.

924
01:40:48,000 --> 01:40:56,000
Both of those seem to focus on the specific conditional use itself, not the zoning that we're talking about tonight.

925
01:40:56,000 --> 01:41:00,000
And both of those make a lot of sense to me.

926
01:41:00,000 --> 01:41:06,000
We have a tremendous opportunity here, and I mean everyone in the room.

927
01:41:06,000 --> 01:41:14,000
Everyone here is so clearly, deeply invested in finding a good solution to this problem.

928
01:41:14,000 --> 01:41:20,000
I hope that as we navigate this process, we're able to find ways to listen to each other,

929
01:41:20,000 --> 01:41:22,000
especially those with whom we disagree.

930
01:41:22,000 --> 01:41:25,000
I hope we can find collaborative solutions.

931
01:41:25,000 --> 01:41:30,000
I hope we can reduce the concerns, and I hope we can live our shared values.

932
01:41:30,000 --> 01:41:35,000
Hopefully, conversation can be had where more shared understanding is found.

933
01:41:35,000 --> 01:41:43,000
Maybe knowing more about the specific use Catholic charities is proposing and what the programming looks like would calm those concerns.

934
01:41:43,000 --> 01:41:51,000
Maybe volunteering, helping shape the programming and being involved in the program's success will help us live our values.

935
01:41:51,000 --> 01:41:56,000
I'm not sure what the ultimate solution for our community is.

936
01:41:56,000 --> 01:42:00,000
But I do know we need to find that solution together.

937
01:42:00,000 --> 01:42:01,000
Thank you.

938
01:42:01,000 --> 01:42:02,000
Thank you.

939
01:42:02,000 --> 01:42:06,000
Any other questions or discussion by council?

940
01:42:06,000 --> 01:42:08,000
George.

941
01:42:08,000 --> 01:42:18,000
Good.

942
01:42:18,000 --> 01:42:20,000
Father.

943
01:42:20,000 --> 01:42:21,000
Father, Tomson.

944
01:42:21,000 --> 01:42:28,000
I just have a question about the diocese and the church and things.

945
01:42:28,000 --> 01:42:30,000
Good to see you again.

946
01:42:30,000 --> 01:42:35,000
And you're looking good, so.

947
01:42:35,000 --> 01:42:45,000
There's certain things I may understand that the diocese permits and does not permit in a church that's closed.

948
01:42:45,000 --> 01:42:47,000
I looked at the one in St. Charles.

949
01:42:47,000 --> 01:42:56,000
That's a bridal shop now, but other certain things that are not allowed in closed churches.

950
01:42:56,000 --> 01:42:57,000
Yes, that's correct.

951
01:42:57,000 --> 01:43:04,000
I don't have the list in front of me, but it's 10 prohibited uses that we would have if we were to sell a building.

952
01:43:04,000 --> 01:43:07,000
The same would go if we would lease that building.

953
01:43:07,000 --> 01:43:10,000
Be such uses as.

954
01:43:10,000 --> 01:43:12,000
You know, a liquor store.

955
01:43:12,000 --> 01:43:16,000
You know, other sales that would be.

956
01:43:16,000 --> 01:43:21,000
You know, immoral, you know, according to, you know, our teaching and the authentic commandments.

957
01:43:21,000 --> 01:43:28,000
So we would do have a list of prohibited uses when we sell or lease a building.

958
01:43:28,000 --> 01:43:30,000
Thank you.

959
01:43:30,000 --> 01:43:31,000
You're welcome.

960
01:43:32,000 --> 01:43:33,000
Fun.

961
01:43:33,000 --> 01:43:35,000
Vicar. Sorry.

962
01:43:35,000 --> 01:43:37,000
Why you're up there at quick question.

963
01:43:37,000 --> 01:43:42,000
So it's been alluded to that there are some things going on there currently at St.

964
01:43:42,000 --> 01:43:43,000
Casmeers.

965
01:43:43,000 --> 01:43:46,000
We've talked about some senior exercise classes.

966
01:43:46,000 --> 01:43:48,000
Do you have, do you have a list of what's going on there?

967
01:43:48,000 --> 01:43:50,000
Is that the only thing that's going on there?

968
01:43:50,000 --> 01:43:51,000
Yeah.

969
01:43:51,000 --> 01:43:54,000
Yeah, that's the only thing that's occurring there currently.

970
01:43:54,000 --> 01:43:55,000
Currently.

971
01:43:55,000 --> 01:43:57,000
Thank you, sir.

972
01:43:57,000 --> 01:44:00,000
You're welcome.

973
01:44:00,000 --> 01:44:13,000
Okay. I'm just going to sit and wait here, guys.

974
01:44:13,000 --> 01:44:14,000
Because we know it's next.

975
01:44:14,000 --> 01:44:21,000
I would move that the council approve the comprehensive plan.

976
01:44:21,000 --> 01:44:22,000
I'm in.

977
01:44:22,000 --> 01:44:26,000
That's second motion from Jerome second from Sam discussion.

978
01:44:26,000 --> 01:44:29,000
Steve.

979
01:44:30,000 --> 01:44:32,000
Local government in action, right?

980
01:44:32,000 --> 01:44:34,000
We almost all know each other.

981
01:44:34,000 --> 01:44:38,000
And so thank you for for sharing.

982
01:44:38,000 --> 01:44:41,000
Think of your thoughts and perspectives.

983
01:44:41,000 --> 01:44:45,000
Winona absolutely needs services for those experiencing homelessness.

984
01:44:45,000 --> 01:44:48,000
Need a day center and an overnight shelter.

985
01:44:48,000 --> 01:44:52,000
We're fortunate that the one that die sees the set forward with the proposal.

986
01:44:52,000 --> 01:44:55,000
And a potential location to help meet that need.

987
01:44:55,000 --> 01:44:58,000
Other communities have done a bit of research.

988
01:44:58,000 --> 01:45:00,000
As I'm sure many of us have.

989
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:06,000
Other communities near us in the region have opened similar shelters to provide these services.

990
01:45:06,000 --> 01:45:11,500
In real estate, we often say there's three important factors, location, location and location, right?

991
01:45:11,500 --> 01:45:16,000
And that's the challenge that we face here at the location.

992
01:45:16,000 --> 01:45:20,000
The proposed site is in the center of a residential neighborhood.

993
01:45:20,000 --> 01:45:29,500
And many blocks away from essential services such as grocery stores, medical facilities, the library that provides internet access, county support offices.

994
01:45:29,500 --> 01:45:35,500
I was counting between 10 to 15 blocks away from those services.

995
01:45:35,500 --> 01:45:46,500
No comparable city, the research that I did, I may be wrong, but no comparable city that I found has placed its homeless services in the middle of a residential neighborhood.

996
01:45:46,500 --> 01:45:50,500
Far away from the resources that people use each day.

997
01:45:50,500 --> 01:45:55,500
We don't want to need to shelter, but we need to get it right. The location matters.

998
01:45:55,500 --> 01:46:00,500
It's current form that proposed site is not the right place.

999
01:46:00,500 --> 01:46:08,500
I'm confident that, as we work together, we can find a location that meets the needs while also fitting better into our community.

1000
01:46:08,500 --> 01:46:10,500
So, thank you.

1001
01:46:10,500 --> 01:46:11,500
Thank you.

1002
01:46:11,500 --> 01:46:18,500
Jeff.

1003
01:46:18,500 --> 01:46:25,500
Okay. First of all, I want to thank everybody that has voiced their opinion today.

1004
01:46:25,500 --> 01:46:28,500
And I want to back up even just a little further.

1005
01:46:28,500 --> 01:46:34,500
And I'd like to thank all the people of work diligently to find a temporary solution for this winter for when known as unhoused.

1006
01:46:34,500 --> 01:46:43,500
The include organizations such as Wesley's Methodist Church, St. Paul's Episcopal Church, the Catholic Dicies, Catholic Charities, City staff, community and Icages.

1007
01:46:43,500 --> 01:46:51,500
And most importantly, all of the individuals that have worked diligently to make this happen and my apologies to all of those that I have missed.

1008
01:46:51,500 --> 01:47:02,500
I am 100% supportive and appreciative of the short term solutions that we've developed and 100% in support of a long term one as well, however, location matters.

1009
01:47:02,500 --> 01:47:12,500
Despite the differing opinions on St. Cass mrs location voiced tonight, I think I can say virtually every person in this room is supportive of a long term solution for when known as unhoused.

1010
01:47:12,500 --> 01:47:16,500
So let's be clear, we're not here to discuss the need for long term shelter.

1011
01:47:16,500 --> 01:47:19,500
We do need one and I am supportive of finding one.

1012
01:47:19,500 --> 01:47:25,500
We're here to discuss if St. Cass mrs is the right location or not.

1013
01:47:25,500 --> 01:47:31,500
St. Cass mrs is served the surrounding neighborhood for 120 years in many ways.

1014
01:47:31,500 --> 01:47:36,500
Honestly, spiritually, but also as a school and a place to mark the passages of life.

1015
01:47:36,500 --> 01:47:39,500
Marriages, baptisms, deaths and the like.

1016
01:47:39,500 --> 01:47:44,500
The Church has supported the neighborhood providing for many and anchor.

1017
01:47:44,500 --> 01:47:47,500
And the neighborhood has supported the parish.

1018
01:47:47,500 --> 01:47:58,500
In my conversations, correspondence and looking at the petitions from neighbors, they by over 90% do not support this change.

1019
01:47:58,500 --> 01:48:02,500
This request does not support this neighborhood.

1020
01:48:02,500 --> 01:48:12,500
You can make the argument that it supports the community at large, but at an undetermined cost to this neighborhood.

1021
01:48:12,500 --> 01:48:17,500
I represent Ward 2 on this council, which is what I was elected to do.

1022
01:48:17,500 --> 01:48:21,500
The message from the neighborhood and Ward 2 at large is very clear.

1023
01:48:21,500 --> 01:48:24,500
This is the wrong location.

1024
01:48:25,500 --> 01:48:32,500
Despite one bar, a yoga studio and a computer repair shop on fifth street, this is a residential area.

1025
01:48:32,500 --> 01:48:36,500
There are no services used by the unhoused population in this immediate area.

1026
01:48:36,500 --> 01:48:45,500
Some of the ones that Steve mentioned, grocery stores, county services, meals offered by various downtown churches, library, AA meetings and AA meetings.

1027
01:48:45,500 --> 01:48:49,500
Places and so on are not located here.

1028
01:48:49,500 --> 01:49:07,500
What there is here are residential houses that people have sunk their life savings into, and that they naturally are concerned about, as well as two day cares within 200 feet, a group home within a block and elementary school within two blocks.

1029
01:49:07,500 --> 01:49:11,500
Each person who needs these services has a unique story as to why.

1030
01:49:12,500 --> 01:49:15,500
There is an economic component.

1031
01:49:15,500 --> 01:49:24,500
And although it in no way applies to all, there is mental illness, often untreated and substance abuse issues are also a part of unhoused populations.

1032
01:49:24,500 --> 01:49:29,500
So to claim that the residents are operating from fear, I think is overblown.

1033
01:49:29,500 --> 01:49:37,500
I think they are operating from justifiable concerns for their families and neighborhood, as well as those who are unhoused.

1034
01:49:37,500 --> 01:49:42,500
I appreciate the DIC's generosity and offering the use of St. Kazmeers for this purpose.

1035
01:49:42,500 --> 01:49:45,500
I know it comes from a genuine desire to help.

1036
01:49:45,500 --> 01:49:50,500
However, this is a community issue that will require a community solution.

1037
01:49:50,500 --> 01:50:01,500
I do not think any one entity within the community should decide what that solution is, even if it is coming from a place of benevolence and grace.

1038
01:50:01,500 --> 01:50:07,500
There are so many other ways St. Kazmeers can be put to use to continue to anchor the neighborhood in community.

1039
01:50:07,500 --> 01:50:16,500
You started one, which is the exercise class, and many others have been already talked about here besides homeless shelters.

1040
01:50:16,500 --> 01:50:27,500
So there is no question, there is a variety of uses for this space in this building that could be again an anchor for this neighborhood, as it has been for 120 years.

1041
01:50:28,500 --> 01:50:37,500
There is nothing to stop the DIC's from pursuing this process again for a more suitable use at this location.

1042
01:50:37,500 --> 01:50:44,500
Simply put, a no decision tonight does not destined St. Kazmeers to ruin or any such thing.

1043
01:50:44,500 --> 01:50:48,500
There are plenty of good uses to be had.

1044
01:50:48,500 --> 01:50:56,500
This is the second step of a multi-step process based on the DIC's request to place a homeless shelter at St. Kazmeers.

1045
01:50:57,500 --> 01:51:03,500
I do not think this step is just a formality nor do I think we should debate this in full later.

1046
01:51:03,500 --> 01:51:10,500
The DIC's request as well as the city's letter to residents clearly states the reason for this hearing.

1047
01:51:10,500 --> 01:51:15,500
It is the first step in placing a homeless shelter at St. Kazmeers.

1048
01:51:15,500 --> 01:51:21,500
There is no reason to continue this process if you think it is the wrong location.

1049
01:51:22,500 --> 01:51:25,500
No future step is going to change that simple fact.

1050
01:51:25,500 --> 01:51:28,500
This is the wrong location.

1051
01:51:28,500 --> 01:51:41,500
Continuing this process which is waste the time that could be used to find more suitable location for a long term overnight shelter for the unhoused in Wanoida, which we all know is needed.

1052
01:51:41,500 --> 01:51:48,500
Lastly, I think there are better solutions closer to the services needed that have far less impact than residential neighborhoods.

1053
01:51:49,500 --> 01:51:53,500
One that was mentioned tonight was the Catholic Parachat Parachat 8th and Central.

1054
01:51:53,500 --> 01:51:56,500
It is on a block that is 100% student rentals.

1055
01:51:56,500 --> 01:52:04,500
It is closer to services that I mentioned previously and adjacent to a known state that has a variety of advantages over this location.

1056
01:52:04,500 --> 01:52:09,500
One being a potential partnership with the WSU and their social work program.

1057
01:52:09,500 --> 01:52:15,500
For all the reasons that I have stated I will not support this change nor homeless shelter at St. Kazmeers location.

1058
01:52:15,500 --> 01:52:19,500
Together we can find a better solution.

1059
01:52:19,500 --> 01:52:21,500
Thank you.

1060
01:52:32,500 --> 01:52:38,500
I want to talk about degrees you here.

1061
01:52:38,500 --> 01:52:41,500
Fear.

1062
01:52:42,500 --> 01:52:49,500
There have been two common threads in everything that has been said here today.

1063
01:52:49,500 --> 01:52:52,500
One.

1064
01:52:52,500 --> 01:53:00,500
We need a place for people to sleep at night when it is cold out.

1065
01:53:00,500 --> 01:53:03,500
We need a shelter in this community.

1066
01:53:03,500 --> 01:53:07,500
It is our responsibility to have one to provide one.

1067
01:53:07,500 --> 01:53:11,500
To provide for other people in our community.

1068
01:53:11,500 --> 01:53:13,500
It was cited.

1069
01:53:13,500 --> 01:53:16,500
This is the Christian thing to do.

1070
01:53:16,500 --> 01:53:23,500
We are all often hearing about how Christian this country is supposed to be.

1071
01:53:23,500 --> 01:53:28,500
Until we have to start applying.

1072
01:53:28,500 --> 01:53:31,500
The words of Christ.

1073
01:53:32,500 --> 01:53:38,500
The other thing that I hear that's been a common to everyone.

1074
01:53:38,500 --> 01:53:47,500
Everyone who has spoken against this is fear.

1075
01:53:47,500 --> 01:53:51,500
Simple, plain fear.

1076
01:53:51,500 --> 01:53:56,500
Afraid of people.

1077
01:53:56,500 --> 01:53:59,500
We don't know.

1078
01:54:00,500 --> 01:54:08,500
People who are hurting or damaged.

1079
01:54:08,500 --> 01:54:11,500
People who are in need.

1080
01:54:11,500 --> 01:54:13,500
But also.

1081
01:54:13,500 --> 01:54:15,500
And this is what's fearsome.

1082
01:54:15,500 --> 01:54:18,500
There are people who look like us.

1083
01:54:18,500 --> 01:54:22,500
There are people who maybe related to us.

1084
01:54:23,500 --> 01:54:26,500
There are people who.

1085
01:54:26,500 --> 01:54:29,500
If something goes wrong.

1086
01:54:29,500 --> 01:54:32,500
Would be us.

1087
01:54:32,500 --> 01:54:35,500
We are afraid of them.

1088
01:54:35,500 --> 01:54:37,500
And we say.

1089
01:54:37,500 --> 01:54:40,500
We've got to have a shelter but don't put it here.

1090
01:54:40,500 --> 01:54:42,500
In our neighborhood.

1091
01:54:42,500 --> 01:54:45,500
Put it in somebody else's.

1092
01:54:45,500 --> 01:54:49,500
Push it off.

1093
01:54:50,500 --> 01:54:51,500
And that's easy to say.

1094
01:54:51,500 --> 01:54:53,500
And we can feel.

1095
01:54:53,500 --> 01:54:57,500
Somewhat better about it because we're on the side of the angels.

1096
01:54:57,500 --> 01:55:00,500
As long as.

1097
01:55:00,500 --> 01:55:04,500
We're not going to really have skin in the game.

1098
01:55:04,500 --> 01:55:06,500
Well, I've got skin in the game.

1099
01:55:06,500 --> 01:55:10,500
I've been in this neighborhood for 40 years.

1100
01:55:10,500 --> 01:55:11,500
Mary.

1101
01:55:11,500 --> 01:55:12,500
I've been.

1102
01:55:12,500 --> 01:55:13,500
Mary's my wife.

1103
01:55:13,500 --> 01:55:14,500
Our fence.

1104
01:55:14,500 --> 01:55:15,500
A butts.

1105
01:55:15,500 --> 01:55:16,500
St. Cass.

1106
01:55:16,500 --> 01:55:18,500
You don't get to be any more.

1107
01:55:18,500 --> 01:55:22,500
Skin in the game than that.

1108
01:55:22,500 --> 01:55:24,500
Mary's been working with homeless.

1109
01:55:24,500 --> 01:55:26,500
And needy people since 1992.

1110
01:55:26,500 --> 01:55:27,500
Catholic worker.

1111
01:55:27,500 --> 01:55:29,500
I've been drawn into that orbit.

1112
01:55:29,500 --> 01:55:33,500
I know these people.

1113
01:55:33,500 --> 01:55:36,500
The young man that someone referenced.

1114
01:55:36,500 --> 01:55:40,500
Walking through the neighborhood with long hair and a shopping cart.

1115
01:55:40,500 --> 01:55:43,500
I know his name.

1116
01:55:43,500 --> 01:55:47,500
I know who he is.

1117
01:55:47,500 --> 01:55:50,500
And I don't doubt he was not.

1118
01:55:50,500 --> 01:55:52,500
Looking in your car.

1119
01:55:52,500 --> 01:55:57,500
To steal something.

1120
01:55:57,500 --> 01:55:59,500
And don't shake your head at me.

1121
01:55:59,500 --> 01:56:02,500
Because he's a people I know.

1122
01:56:02,500 --> 01:56:04,500
People that I.

1123
01:56:04,500 --> 01:56:06,500
Make breakfast for.

1124
01:56:06,500 --> 01:56:08,500
On occasion.

1125
01:56:08,500 --> 01:56:10,500
Who I talk with.

1126
01:56:10,500 --> 01:56:12,500
So.

1127
01:56:12,500 --> 01:56:16,500
Fear is the common denominator here.

1128
01:56:16,500 --> 01:56:19,500
What about location?

1129
01:56:19,500 --> 01:56:23,500
This is a large facility.

1130
01:56:23,500 --> 01:56:25,500
Unused.

1131
01:56:25,500 --> 01:56:29,500
It's not going to require additional financing.

1132
01:56:29,500 --> 01:56:31,500
The diocese is behind Catholic workers.

1133
01:56:31,500 --> 01:56:33,500
Behind it is established.

1134
01:56:33,500 --> 01:56:39,500
You don't get a more established sponsor than the Roman Catholic Church.

1135
01:56:39,500 --> 01:56:44,500
They've been in business for 2,000 years.

1136
01:56:44,500 --> 01:56:52,500
We're not going to get a more solid basis to establish a shelter.

1137
01:56:52,500 --> 01:56:55,500
Are there reasons to be uncomfortable?

1138
01:56:55,500 --> 01:56:58,500
There are.

1139
01:56:58,500 --> 01:57:02,500
I'm not disputing that there are problems.

1140
01:57:02,500 --> 01:57:03,500
We all know that.

1141
01:57:03,500 --> 01:57:06,500
We've been saying and we've heard about it with the.

1142
01:57:06,500 --> 01:57:10,500
The former day center downtown downtown.

1143
01:57:10,500 --> 01:57:13,500
That's the ideal location according to some people.

1144
01:57:13,500 --> 01:57:16,500
Let's put them downtown.

1145
01:57:16,500 --> 01:57:18,500
Because that's close to things.

1146
01:57:18,500 --> 01:57:20,500
Well, folks.

1147
01:57:20,500 --> 01:57:27,500
All those people are a hell of a lot more resourceful than most of us.

1148
01:57:27,500 --> 01:57:29,500
Stands is right on the bus line.

1149
01:57:29,500 --> 01:57:30,500
And guess what?

1150
01:57:30,500 --> 01:57:33,500
Every one of those folks knows how to write a bus.

1151
01:57:33,500 --> 01:57:34,500
They can get there.

1152
01:57:34,500 --> 01:57:36,500
They can get there and back.

1153
01:57:36,500 --> 01:57:43,500
They can make it all the way to the courthouse.

1154
01:57:43,500 --> 01:57:46,500
Often the same way that they get around everywhere.

1155
01:57:46,500 --> 01:57:49,500
They walk.

1156
01:57:49,500 --> 01:57:50,500
No.

1157
01:57:50,500 --> 01:57:57,500
I'm not going to be apologetic to say that we should take a serious look at this location.

1158
01:57:57,500 --> 01:58:00,500
I'm not saying that this is where it should be.

1159
01:58:00,500 --> 01:58:04,500
We don't know that yet.

1160
01:58:04,500 --> 01:58:09,500
Because we haven't gotten that far yet.

1161
01:58:09,500 --> 01:58:13,500
We have a potential solution here.

1162
01:58:13,500 --> 01:58:16,500
And it's scared the shut out of a bunch of people.

1163
01:58:16,500 --> 01:58:19,500
And a bunch of people been going around for the last month,

1164
01:58:19,500 --> 01:58:24,500
starring up more fear and more fear and more fear.

1165
01:58:24,500 --> 01:58:26,500
Rather than looking for a solution.

1166
01:58:26,500 --> 01:58:29,500
And you know, I'm sick of it.

1167
01:58:29,500 --> 01:58:33,500
And they've gotten to people.

1168
01:58:33,500 --> 01:58:35,500
We'll talk about neighborhood.

1169
01:58:35,500 --> 01:58:36,500
Am I?

1170
01:58:36,500 --> 01:58:37,500
I'm here at large.

1171
01:58:37,500 --> 01:58:41,500
I represent the entire community.

1172
01:58:41,500 --> 01:58:44,500
I love in this neighborhood.

1173
01:58:44,500 --> 01:58:48,500
But I wouldn't have elected to represent the entire community.

1174
01:58:48,500 --> 01:58:51,500
And what am I hearing from the community?

1175
01:58:51,500 --> 01:58:57,500
What am I hearing everywhere in town except for a small number of people?

1176
01:58:57,500 --> 01:59:05,500
Directly in the radius that have been stirred up over the last few months?

1177
01:59:05,500 --> 01:59:06,500
This is a good thing.

1178
01:59:06,500 --> 01:59:08,500
Place to look at.

1179
01:59:08,500 --> 01:59:10,500
Let's consider it.

1180
01:59:10,500 --> 01:59:12,500
Let's see what we can do.

1181
01:59:12,500 --> 01:59:14,500
If it doesn't work.

1182
01:59:14,500 --> 01:59:16,500
If the problems can't be overcome.

1183
01:59:16,500 --> 01:59:20,500
We'll find that out as we go through the process.

1184
01:59:20,500 --> 01:59:26,500
But to cut the process off at the knees at this juncture.

1185
01:59:26,500 --> 01:59:32,500
At this juncture is premature and quite frankly stupid.

1186
01:59:32,500 --> 01:59:36,500
Because we're going to have to put that shelter someplace.

1187
01:59:36,500 --> 01:59:39,500
It's going to go in somebody's neighborhood.

1188
01:59:40,500 --> 01:59:42,500
And we'd better not be proud of ourselves.

1189
01:59:42,500 --> 01:59:44,500
If all we're doing is running it out.

1190
01:59:44,500 --> 01:59:50,500
Because we're scared of people who've got to sleep in doorways if we don't do it.

1191
01:59:50,500 --> 01:59:51,500
Thank you.

1192
01:59:51,500 --> 01:59:53,500
Thank you, Jerome.

1193
01:59:53,500 --> 01:59:54,500
Jason.

1194
01:59:54,500 --> 01:59:59,500
In my head.

1195
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:06,000
My opinion, shutting down the land use designation change, that's the wrong precedent.

1196
02:00:06,000 --> 02:00:12,000
I believe it will cause a chilling effect on development in the communities.

1197
02:00:12,000 --> 02:00:21,000
This blunt tool, to be used to stop anything we don't like, we'll just allow nothing we built.

1198
02:00:22,000 --> 02:00:32,000
The majority of the folks that I spoke to regarding all this, want the property as utilized for something.

1199
02:00:32,000 --> 02:00:41,000
It would be a shame to watch these lots, rot, and turn into a pile of bricks.

1200
02:00:41,000 --> 02:00:51,000
And I believe this land use designation change is the first step. It does not lock us in to a shelter.

1201
02:00:51,000 --> 02:00:52,000
Thank you.

1202
02:00:52,000 --> 02:00:54,000
Thank you, Jason.

1203
02:00:54,000 --> 02:00:56,000
Good.

1204
02:00:56,000 --> 02:00:58,000
Thank you, Mayor.

1205
02:00:58,000 --> 02:01:07,000
First of all, homeless as we all know, it is a problem throughout the country, not just the city of Winona.

1206
02:01:07,000 --> 02:01:12,000
Representing Winona's fourth ward, we have drugs here. We have drugs here.

1207
02:01:12,000 --> 02:01:17,000
There's drugs here, drugs there. It's throughout the city, it's throughout our country.

1208
02:01:17,000 --> 02:01:22,000
So it's just not our problem here that Winona has a homeless problem.

1209
02:01:22,000 --> 02:01:27,000
Every community has one regardless of how small they are.

1210
02:01:28,000 --> 02:01:37,000
First of all, I want to begin by thanking Mr. Myers and Father Will Thompson, the Victor General for your work on this issue.

1211
02:01:37,000 --> 02:01:44,000
You've put a lot of time in and be putting a lot more in as well too, but thank you very much for what you have done.

1212
02:01:44,000 --> 02:01:48,000
And yes, it is very well appreciated for what you do.

1213
02:01:48,000 --> 02:01:58,000
After listening to the testimony from the audience tonight, I understand that this is not the shelter they are objecting to.

1214
02:01:58,000 --> 02:02:06,000
But moving the location to a residential neighborhood, it's the location where the objections are coming from.

1215
02:02:06,000 --> 02:02:11,000
I also feel it should not be located in a residential area.

1216
02:02:12,000 --> 02:02:21,000
Residents of the Second Ward feel that locating a shelter in their neighborhood, wouldn't factor safety and security.

1217
02:02:21,000 --> 02:02:24,000
As we mentioned, yes, I don't blame them one bit.

1218
02:02:24,000 --> 02:02:31,000
And I want to just set one thing straight, nobody out here is putting fear into me as to what decision I make tonight.

1219
02:02:31,000 --> 02:02:38,000
I'm making a decision not from fear from anybody out in the audience tonight. I want to make that perfectly clear.

1220
02:02:38,000 --> 02:02:45,000
I do not know how the vote will go tonight, but tonight I will not be voting to change the comp plan.

1221
02:02:45,000 --> 02:02:54,000
If I were to agree to any changes, it would be to benefit all the taxpayers by perhaps having a taxable property.

1222
02:02:54,000 --> 02:02:56,000
Thank you.

1223
02:02:56,000 --> 02:03:01,000
Thank you.

1224
02:03:02,000 --> 02:03:09,000
Councillor Young, Councillor Borgeskowski and Councillor Hyma.

1225
02:03:09,000 --> 02:03:14,000
I agree with almost everything that y'all have said.

1226
02:03:14,000 --> 02:03:24,000
My one sticking point is if this ultimately won't be a homeless shelter, then there's no reason to continue this process.

1227
02:03:24,000 --> 02:03:29,000
And I disagree with that. I think there's a really big reason to continue this process.

1228
02:03:29,000 --> 02:03:34,000
And that's housing, baby. We're in a housing crisis.

1229
02:03:34,000 --> 02:03:46,000
And by amending this the comp plan and allowing more options in this zoning, we have more flexibility for more housing options moving forward.

1230
02:03:46,000 --> 02:03:52,000
Regardless of if the conditional use passes at that point.

1231
02:03:52,000 --> 02:04:02,000
I think that we owe it to a known to stick through this process to give ourselves more options regardless of that and use.

1232
02:04:02,000 --> 02:04:04,000
I know we need more homes.

1233
02:04:04,000 --> 02:04:09,000
And I think that this is space that could be redeveloped into more homes.

1234
02:04:09,000 --> 02:04:14,000
If it doesn't become a homeless shelter, thank you.

1235
02:04:14,000 --> 02:04:18,000
Very good. Thank you.

1236
02:04:19,000 --> 02:04:23,000
I would agree completely. I think it could be used for housing.

1237
02:04:23,000 --> 02:04:26,000
But that's not what's being proposed here tonight.

1238
02:04:26,000 --> 02:04:37,000
The application from the diocese to notes that went out say specifically that we are considering this location for homeless shelter.

1239
02:04:37,000 --> 02:04:45,000
If we get a and they can reapply to shift it to something else, I would be totally in support of housing.

1240
02:04:45,000 --> 02:04:52,000
100% amongst a variety of other options to go on to that site.

1241
02:04:52,000 --> 02:04:57,000
But what's before us is a homeless shelter.

1242
02:04:57,000 --> 02:05:02,000
And the location is not the right location for that use.

1243
02:05:02,000 --> 02:05:06,000
So if we're not doing a bait and switch.

1244
02:05:06,000 --> 02:05:09,000
That's what's been proposed. That's what we're voting on.

1245
02:05:09,000 --> 02:05:12,000
You can always bring something else back.

1246
02:05:12,000 --> 02:05:17,000
You can go forward and say, I would agree to housing.

1247
02:05:17,000 --> 02:05:19,000
That's not what's on the table.

1248
02:05:19,000 --> 02:05:22,000
So that's really in my mind.

1249
02:05:22,000 --> 02:05:25,000
You're not we're not being transparent.

1250
02:05:25,000 --> 02:05:29,000
In my mind, this is what's here. This is what we're voting on.

1251
02:05:29,000 --> 02:05:33,000
I hope to see I dearly hope to see something else.

1252
02:05:33,000 --> 02:05:41,000
Whether it be housing, whether it be more integrated services for seniors or any of the other things that we're suggested here tonight.

1253
02:05:41,000 --> 02:05:44,000
I would be 100% in support of those things.

1254
02:05:44,000 --> 02:05:47,000
But that's not what we're voting on tonight.

1255
02:05:47,000 --> 02:05:51,000
It's the homeless shelter that's in front of us.

1256
02:05:51,000 --> 02:05:56,000
Respectfully, truly, what we're voting on tonight is a complaint update.

1257
02:05:56,000 --> 02:05:59,000
We're not voting on a homeless shelter.

1258
02:05:59,000 --> 02:06:02,000
We're voting on what should the rules of this space be?

1259
02:06:02,000 --> 02:06:06,000
Other than that, you and I are in alignment.

1260
02:06:06,000 --> 02:06:09,000
We're seeing I die. We want the same things.

1261
02:06:09,000 --> 02:06:14,000
I'd rather get this barrier to housing out of the way now so that we don't have to do it later.

1262
02:06:14,000 --> 02:06:17,000
Because that's the step of the process we're at.

1263
02:06:17,000 --> 02:06:20,000
Outside of that, yeah, hear you loud and clear.

1264
02:06:20,000 --> 02:06:22,000
I would respectfully disagree.

1265
02:06:22,000 --> 02:06:31,000
I do think that that's what was in the application to make this change specifically.

1266
02:06:31,000 --> 02:06:33,000
So that is what we're voting on.

1267
02:06:33,000 --> 02:06:40,000
So, you know, I agree, I mean, you know, but that's what's on the paper.

1268
02:06:40,000 --> 02:06:41,000
That's what's written.

1269
02:06:41,000 --> 02:06:42,000
Jeff.

1270
02:06:42,000 --> 02:06:43,000
I'll leave it at that.

1271
02:06:43,000 --> 02:06:54,000
Jeff, you're seeing then that you're going to support housing except for the people who need it the very most.

1272
02:06:54,000 --> 02:06:57,000
Any other discussion?

1273
02:06:57,000 --> 02:07:00,000
I call the question.

1274
02:07:00,000 --> 02:07:02,000
May I give my piece?

1275
02:07:02,000 --> 02:07:04,000
I guess.

1276
02:07:04,000 --> 02:07:05,000
Thank you.

1277
02:07:05,000 --> 02:07:06,000
Appreciate it. Sorry.

1278
02:07:06,000 --> 02:07:08,000
Sorry to delay everyone.

1279
02:07:08,000 --> 02:07:13,000
I obviously did not talk with everyone because everyone had a paired statement tonight and I do not.

1280
02:07:13,000 --> 02:07:14,000
So here's the deal.

1281
02:07:14,000 --> 02:07:16,000
Everyone in this room is my neighbor.

1282
02:07:16,000 --> 02:07:23,000
I live 908 feet away from that location.

1283
02:07:23,000 --> 02:07:25,000
I got little.

1284
02:07:25,000 --> 02:07:27,000
I've been in your bar.

1285
02:07:27,000 --> 02:07:29,000
I've locked that neighborhood.

1286
02:07:29,000 --> 02:07:34,000
I've seen what we have in our neighborhood with or without that homeless shelter.

1287
02:07:34,000 --> 02:07:35,000
That's there.

1288
02:07:35,000 --> 02:07:36,000
Now.

1289
02:07:36,000 --> 02:07:37,000
Sorry.

1290
02:07:37,000 --> 02:07:38,000
It is.

1291
02:07:38,000 --> 02:07:44,000
We're doing everything we can to try and help those people as best we can.

1292
02:07:44,000 --> 02:07:46,000
I will also be very clear.

1293
02:07:46,000 --> 02:07:49,000
The city is not proposing.

1294
02:07:49,000 --> 02:07:52,000
The city is merely the gatekeeper.

1295
02:07:52,000 --> 02:07:55,000
This is not our project.

1296
02:07:55,000 --> 02:07:58,000
You are not paying for this through your city tax dollars.

1297
02:07:58,000 --> 02:08:03,000
Here's where I'm at on this deal.

1298
02:08:03,000 --> 02:08:05,000
This should be rezoned.

1299
02:08:05,000 --> 02:08:07,000
And it should be rezoned to MUN.

1300
02:08:07,000 --> 02:08:09,000
Should a homeless shelter go there?

1301
02:08:09,000 --> 02:08:10,000
I don't know.

1302
02:08:10,000 --> 02:08:15,000
What I do know is I heard from a hell of a lot of my neighbors that said no.

1303
02:08:15,000 --> 02:08:19,000
It's difficult to go against a lot of your neighbors.

1304
02:08:19,000 --> 02:08:25,000
I also had a lot of people with very good arguments as to why it should be there.

1305
02:08:26,000 --> 02:08:35,000
It is also very difficult to go against those people that I align with in terms of what we should be doing for people within our community.

1306
02:08:35,000 --> 02:08:38,000
I'm in a tough spot here.

1307
02:08:38,000 --> 02:08:42,000
And I know nobody cares because I signed up for it.

1308
02:08:42,000 --> 02:08:47,000
But I do want to say that I think about this stuff.

1309
02:08:47,000 --> 02:08:49,000
I read every single one of your emails.

1310
02:08:49,000 --> 02:08:54,000
I heard extremely excellent arguments tonight on both sides.

1311
02:08:55,000 --> 02:08:58,000
I am in favor of the rezoning.

1312
02:08:58,000 --> 02:09:03,000
I am not in favor of the housing or the shelter in that location.

1313
02:09:03,000 --> 02:09:05,000
And here is why.

1314
02:09:05,000 --> 02:09:09,000
There are other locations that I know are being discussed currently.

1315
02:09:09,000 --> 02:09:12,000
That may potentially be better than Kazemiers.

1316
02:09:12,000 --> 02:09:15,000
I am not here to stop the Kazemiers project.

1317
02:09:15,000 --> 02:09:23,000
But I am here to suggest very strongly to the people that have been working on this project.

1318
02:09:23,000 --> 02:09:27,000
That we look elsewhere.

1319
02:09:27,000 --> 02:09:31,000
I do want to say thank you for everybody in the room for being here tonight.

1320
02:09:31,000 --> 02:09:37,000
This is what I have been asking for for years participation by our community.

1321
02:09:37,000 --> 02:09:45,000
It is unfortunate that it has to be something that creates negative involvement.

1322
02:09:45,000 --> 02:09:50,000
I would ask all of you to come back on a different night.

1323
02:09:50,000 --> 02:09:54,000
I really would.

1324
02:09:54,000 --> 02:09:58,000
I would also like to thank from the bottom of my heart.

1325
02:09:58,000 --> 02:10:02,000
All of the people who have been working on this behind the scenes.

1326
02:10:02,000 --> 02:10:03,000
You know who you are.

1327
02:10:03,000 --> 02:10:06,000
I know some of you are in this room tonight.

1328
02:10:06,000 --> 02:10:09,000
It is extremely difficult work.

1329
02:10:09,000 --> 02:10:14,000
Because everywhere you go you are getting knows thrown in your face.

1330
02:10:14,000 --> 02:10:17,000
This room, again, we have heard it.

1331
02:10:17,000 --> 02:10:21,000
Everybody wants the solution. Everybody wants to help these people.

1332
02:10:21,000 --> 02:10:26,000
There are people that are doing this work now.

1333
02:10:26,000 --> 02:10:29,000
To try and make it better for those people within our community,

1334
02:10:29,000 --> 02:10:32,000
which ultimately makes our community better as well.

1335
02:10:32,000 --> 02:10:34,000
I am in favor of this M.U.N.

1336
02:10:34,000 --> 02:10:36,000
Reson.

1337
02:10:36,000 --> 02:10:38,000
This complaint change amendment.

1338
02:10:38,000 --> 02:10:42,000
I am not necessarily in favor of the shelter at Kazemiers.

1339
02:10:42,000 --> 02:10:47,000
So if this comes before us again at Kazemiers, I may or may not.

1340
02:10:47,000 --> 02:10:52,000
I'm not going to disclose which way I'm going because I don't know where I'm at.

1341
02:10:52,000 --> 02:10:54,000
When this comes through.

1342
02:10:54,000 --> 02:10:57,000
But here's what I do know right now.

1343
02:10:57,000 --> 02:10:59,000
I could not vote for Kazemiers.

1344
02:10:59,000 --> 02:11:02,000
But I am more than happy to vote for M.U.N.

1345
02:11:02,000 --> 02:11:09,000
because we have seen what happens to dilapidated buildings around this community when they've been vacated.

1346
02:11:09,000 --> 02:11:19,000
I would also take the opportunity for each and every one of you to volunteer at a day shelter or a volunteer shelter.

1347
02:11:19,000 --> 02:11:22,000
And find out what it's really like.

1348
02:11:22,000 --> 02:11:26,000
Because there are people in this room who conveyed what it was like.

1349
02:11:26,000 --> 02:11:30,000
And it is not what you all think it is.

1350
02:11:30,000 --> 02:11:32,000
It always feels good to help someone else.

1351
02:11:32,000 --> 02:11:35,000
I don't care what the situation is.

1352
02:11:35,000 --> 02:11:37,000
So take that time.

1353
02:11:37,000 --> 02:11:42,000
Look into your hearts and give back to the community however you can.

1354
02:11:42,000 --> 02:11:44,000
That's where I stand on M.U.N.

1355
02:11:44,000 --> 02:11:45,000
Yes to that.

1356
02:11:45,000 --> 02:11:48,000
No to Kazemiers in the future.

1357
02:11:48,000 --> 02:11:51,000
That's where I'm at.

1358
02:11:51,000 --> 02:11:54,000
We may now call a question.

1359
02:11:54,000 --> 02:11:57,000
Should we vote by roll call.

1360
02:11:57,000 --> 02:11:59,000
Very good.

1361
02:11:59,000 --> 02:12:02,000
We will vote by roll call.

1362
02:12:02,000 --> 02:12:03,000
Mayor Sherman.

1363
02:12:03,000 --> 02:12:04,000
Hi.

1364
02:12:04,000 --> 02:12:06,000
Councilmember Young.

1365
02:12:06,000 --> 02:12:07,000
Hi.

1366
02:12:07,000 --> 02:12:09,000
Hi, Ma.

1367
02:12:09,000 --> 02:12:10,000
Hey.

1368
02:12:10,000 --> 02:12:11,000
Kristensen.

1369
02:12:11,000 --> 02:12:12,000
Yes.

1370
02:12:12,000 --> 02:12:14,000
Is there any short-rich?

1371
02:12:14,000 --> 02:12:15,000
Yes.

1372
02:12:15,000 --> 02:12:16,000
Borgicowski.

1373
02:12:16,000 --> 02:12:17,000
Nay.

1374
02:12:17,000 --> 02:12:18,000
Thank you.

1375
02:12:18,000 --> 02:12:19,000
Yes.

1376
02:12:19,000 --> 02:12:22,000
Motion denied.

1377
02:12:22,000 --> 02:12:37,000
For the remainder of this meeting.

1378
02:12:37,000 --> 02:12:40,000
Residents are only allowed to speak if they have a request before the council.

1379
02:12:40,000 --> 02:12:42,000
And I recognize you to speak.

1380
02:12:42,000 --> 02:12:43,000
Under new business.

1381
02:12:43,000 --> 02:12:46,000
Item 5.1 is a legacy grant amendment.

1382
02:12:46,000 --> 02:12:48,000
We'll wait just a few minutes for everybody to leave.

1383
02:12:48,000 --> 02:12:49,000
If you'd like to.

1384
02:12:49,000 --> 02:12:52,000
You don't want to stick around.

1385
02:12:52,000 --> 02:12:54,000
Not fun, I promise.

1386
02:12:54,000 --> 02:13:21,000
I would ask if you carry out conversations that we do.

1387
02:13:21,000 --> 02:13:36,000
I would ask if you carry out conversations that we do outside the chambers, please.

1388
02:13:36,000 --> 02:13:51,000
Yes, that's right.

1389
02:13:51,000 --> 02:13:52,000
That's right.

1390
02:13:52,000 --> 02:14:07,000
I think we're good.

1391
02:14:07,000 --> 02:14:10,000
I'm going to repeat this.

1392
02:14:10,000 --> 02:14:11,000
Under new business.

1393
02:14:11,000 --> 02:14:13,000
Item 5.1 is a legacy grant amendment.

1394
02:14:13,000 --> 02:14:18,000
With the council approve the amendment draft staff to execute the same motion from Steve

1395
02:14:18,000 --> 02:14:28,000
Sam any discussion.

1396
02:14:28,000 --> 02:14:33,000
I like hearing about grants.

1397
02:14:33,000 --> 02:14:42,000
You should discuss the grant.

1398
02:14:42,000 --> 02:14:55,000
All right.

1399
02:14:55,000 --> 02:14:58,000
Thank you, Mayor and Council.

1400
02:14:58,000 --> 02:14:59,000
Yes.

1401
02:14:59,000 --> 02:15:03,000
This is our second legacy grant that we were awarded.

1402
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:02,000
So we're just asking for an extension.

1403
02:15:02,000 --> 02:15:06,000
What's a grant extension? I thought we were extending trails. I thought we were building stuff.

1404
02:15:03,000 --> 02:15:06,000
And so we are asking for an extension on that grant.

1405
02:15:06,000 --> 02:15:08,000
Like extension.

1406
02:15:08,000 --> 02:15:10,000
Drill extension.

1407
02:15:10,000 --> 02:15:11,000
To give you a quick update.

1408
02:15:11,000 --> 02:15:12,000
All right.

1409
02:15:12,000 --> 02:15:14,000
Since I'm now at a microphone.

1410
02:15:14,000 --> 02:15:20,000
We have completed trail number 204, which is now named troll stroll.

1411
02:15:20,000 --> 02:15:22,000
It's 0.41 miles.

1412
02:15:22,000 --> 02:15:26,000
We've completed a trail number 16, which is now called Zinger.

1413
02:15:26,000 --> 02:15:28,000
It's 1.22 miles.

1414
02:15:28,000 --> 02:15:31,000
And then we also built a new trailhead parking lot.

1415
02:15:31,000 --> 02:15:33,000
Complete with the single vault toilet.

1416
02:15:33,000 --> 02:15:36,000
And so what's left is just the installation of the signage.

1417
02:15:36,000 --> 02:15:39,000
Which should be done this fall in winter.

1418
02:15:39,000 --> 02:15:41,000
See, quick question.

1419
02:15:41,000 --> 02:15:42,000
What are you doing for publicity?

1420
02:15:42,000 --> 02:15:44,000
I was meeting with a young man.

1421
02:15:44,000 --> 02:15:45,000
Know this young 13 year boy.

1422
02:15:45,000 --> 02:15:46,000
He did.

1423
02:15:46,000 --> 02:15:49,000
I started to talk to him about what he likes to do.

1424
02:15:49,000 --> 02:15:50,000
Bicycle.

1425
02:15:50,000 --> 02:15:52,000
He knew nothing about the trails.

1426
02:15:52,000 --> 02:15:56,000
What are we doing to promote this to young people to create awareness?

1427
02:15:56,000 --> 02:15:57,000
Yeah.

1428
02:15:57,000 --> 02:16:01,000
Unfortunately, the city of Winona does not have any kind of marketing coordinator.

1429
02:16:01,000 --> 02:16:05,000
So it's up to the recreation coordinators to do kind of our own marketing.

1430
02:16:05,000 --> 02:16:10,000
But we rely heavily on visit Winona to get the word out about Winona.

1431
02:16:10,000 --> 02:16:12,000
And of course, the Winona area mountain bikers.

1432
02:16:12,000 --> 02:16:15,000
They also have their own social media pages, their own website.

1433
02:16:15,000 --> 02:16:17,000
So we have really heavily on them as well.

1434
02:16:17,000 --> 02:16:20,000
Especially since they have an agreement with the city of Winona.

1435
02:16:20,000 --> 02:16:22,000
I found the visit, Winona.

1436
02:16:22,000 --> 02:16:24,000
We have a clip on Facebook.

1437
02:16:24,000 --> 02:16:28,000
And I sent it to this voice mom to say, these are the trails we were talking about.

1438
02:16:28,000 --> 02:16:29,000
Yep.

1439
02:16:29,000 --> 02:16:33,000
And we do now have the international mountain bikers basically in association.

1440
02:16:33,000 --> 02:16:37,000
They've been doing some advertising for us as well on the side.

1441
02:16:37,000 --> 02:16:40,000
They're a nonprofit organization who have.

1442
02:16:40,000 --> 02:16:47,000
They've designed and assessed and done a lot of work on our trails and constructed three of our trails now.

1443
02:16:47,000 --> 02:16:50,000
So they have also done marketing for us as well.

1444
02:16:50,000 --> 02:16:51,000
Thank you.

1445
02:16:51,000 --> 02:16:56,000
And then just kind of anecdotally when I've been up there.

1446
02:16:56,000 --> 02:17:01,000
If I see someone that's kind of standing there looking confused, I'll ask them if are you from the area.

1447
02:17:01,000 --> 02:17:02,000
And they'll say no.

1448
02:17:02,000 --> 02:17:03,000
And then I'll try to guide them.

1449
02:17:03,000 --> 02:17:08,000
But it's surprising to me how many people are coming to those trails from out of the area.

1450
02:17:08,000 --> 02:17:12,000
Just to try them out because they heard from in some location or someplace.

1451
02:17:12,000 --> 02:17:14,000
So it's it's it's working.

1452
02:17:14,000 --> 02:17:16,000
And this signage package will help.

1453
02:17:16,000 --> 02:17:19,000
So they don't get as a lot of trails on any signs.

1454
02:17:19,000 --> 02:17:20,000
So that's what you do.

1455
02:17:20,000 --> 02:17:21,000
That's what you explain to that.

1456
02:17:21,000 --> 02:17:24,000
Yeah, don't really pay attention to those signs.

1457
02:17:24,000 --> 02:17:25,000
Yeah.

1458
02:17:25,000 --> 02:17:31,000
So we have ordered 57 signs for most of them are going in.

1459
02:17:31,000 --> 02:17:33,000
Bluffside Park.

1460
02:17:33,000 --> 02:17:36,000
And then there's a few that are going in Sugarlow Park as well.

1461
02:17:36,000 --> 02:17:37,000
Great.

1462
02:17:37,000 --> 02:17:38,000
Thank you.

1463
02:17:38,000 --> 02:17:40,000
Any other questions for Alicia.

1464
02:17:40,000 --> 02:17:42,000
And Alicia.

1465
02:17:42,000 --> 02:17:44,000
It's okay that I said it here.

1466
02:17:44,000 --> 02:17:45,000
Thank you.

1467
02:17:45,000 --> 02:17:46,000
I don't know.

1468
02:17:46,000 --> 02:17:52,000
I'm reading about some in-but marketing that Alicia was recently highlighted.

1469
02:17:52,000 --> 02:17:53,000
And of course I did.

1470
02:17:53,000 --> 02:17:54,000
And of course I did.

1471
02:17:54,000 --> 02:17:55,000
And of course I'm not mad.

1472
02:17:55,000 --> 02:18:01,000
I did shed it here when I saw those trails for the first time because I had worked decades to get those wrongs.

1473
02:18:01,000 --> 02:18:02,000
It was a sweet moment.

1474
02:18:02,000 --> 02:18:03,000
It sure was.

1475
02:18:03,000 --> 02:18:04,000
Yup.

1476
02:18:04,000 --> 02:18:06,000
And then I crash right after that.

1477
02:18:06,000 --> 02:18:07,000
Cool.

1478
02:18:07,000 --> 02:18:08,000
Anyways.

1479
02:18:08,000 --> 02:18:09,000
Any other questions for Alicia.

1480
02:18:09,000 --> 02:18:10,000
Alicia.

1481
02:18:10,000 --> 02:18:11,000
Thanks again for all the hard work.

1482
02:18:11,000 --> 02:18:12,000
Great job here.

1483
02:18:13,000 --> 02:18:14,000
Hearing none.

1484
02:18:14,000 --> 02:18:15,000
All those in favor say aye.

1485
02:18:15,000 --> 02:18:16,000
Aye.

1486
02:18:16,000 --> 02:18:17,000
Opposed.

1487
02:18:17,000 --> 02:18:18,000
Motion passes.

1488
02:18:18,000 --> 02:18:24,000
Item 5.2 is a grant application for the solar on public buildings program.

1489
02:18:24,000 --> 02:18:25,000
With the council author.

1490
02:18:25,000 --> 02:18:28,000
I statute for the grant applications.

1491
02:18:28,000 --> 02:18:29,000
Second.

1492
02:18:29,000 --> 02:18:30,000
Motion from Steve.

1493
02:18:30,000 --> 02:18:32,000
Second from Sam.

1494
02:18:32,000 --> 02:18:33,000
John.

1495
02:18:33,000 --> 02:18:34,000
Would you please?

1496
02:18:34,000 --> 02:18:35,000
No.

1497
02:18:35,000 --> 02:18:36,000
There's a couple questions.

1498
02:18:43,000 --> 02:18:44,000
There you go.

1499
02:18:44,000 --> 02:18:45,000
Good evening.

1500
02:18:45,000 --> 02:18:46,000
Mary and council.

1501
02:18:46,000 --> 02:18:47,000
Yeah.

1502
02:18:47,000 --> 02:18:48,000
There's a number of things to go over here.

1503
02:18:48,000 --> 02:18:49,000
So I'll try to give an overall summary.

1504
02:18:49,000 --> 02:18:51,000
And I'm sure there's going to be questions.

1505
02:18:51,000 --> 02:18:53,000
So they have a state has a program called.

1506
02:18:53,000 --> 02:18:56,000
Minnesota statewide solar on public buildings.

1507
02:18:56,000 --> 02:19:00,000
It's a any public building throughout the state is eligible.

1508
02:19:00,000 --> 02:19:02,000
There are some criteria that need to be met.

1509
02:19:02,000 --> 02:19:04,000
One is it needs to have solar capacity.

1510
02:19:04,000 --> 02:19:08,000
You need to be able to put solar panels on the building or next to them on the property.

1511
02:19:09,000 --> 02:19:17,000
But the great part about it is the state fund 70% and the remainder is picked up by the federal government through the investment tax credit.

1512
02:19:17,000 --> 02:19:20,000
So it is theoretically a hundred percent funded.

1513
02:19:20,000 --> 02:19:26,000
It does require upfront capital to provide that or are alone to actually have install those panels.

1514
02:19:26,000 --> 02:19:31,000
But once you've once you've got the grant and once you get the application in.

1515
02:19:31,000 --> 02:19:35,000
As long as you meet the criteria, you should be eligible funding.

1516
02:19:36,000 --> 02:19:41,000
The only other challenge here is that it is a very time sensitive first come first serve.

1517
02:19:41,000 --> 02:19:43,000
So we do have.

1518
02:19:43,000 --> 02:19:44,000
We do want to get those in quickly.

1519
02:19:44,000 --> 02:19:46,000
So that's partly why we don't have complete applications here.

1520
02:19:46,000 --> 02:19:51,000
We do we will have to submit submit those in the coming days.

1521
02:19:51,000 --> 02:19:58,000
But yeah, it is it's I don't think we're going to find a better better grant for solar because it is a hundred percent funded.

1522
02:19:58,000 --> 02:20:03,000
And we've we've found 10 locations 10 meters 10 that they're all an exalt territory.

1523
02:20:03,000 --> 02:20:07,000
That's a period of be suitable would be cost effective to install.

1524
02:20:07,000 --> 02:20:15,000
And so I think our big question is how much can we find funding to implement because it does have to be there next year or the following year.

1525
02:20:15,000 --> 02:20:18,000
Where we have those dollars.

1526
02:20:18,000 --> 02:20:20,000
Yeah, quick question here.

1527
02:20:20,000 --> 02:20:23,000
So I was looking at your your photos and and kind of looking at your some of your building.

1528
02:20:23,000 --> 02:20:28,000
She has some overhead photos where you kind of colored in and I'm seeing it page 61.

1529
02:20:28,000 --> 02:20:33,000
Well, I looked at you have buildings here with with solar.

1530
02:20:33,000 --> 02:20:37,000
Lines you drew in and then page 61 I see some in the grass.

1531
02:20:37,000 --> 02:20:41,000
One one seven five Gilmore Avenue.

1532
02:20:41,000 --> 02:20:42,000
Is that.

1533
02:20:42,000 --> 02:20:44,000
It's a little few school.

1534
02:20:44,000 --> 02:20:46,000
So that is.

1535
02:20:46,000 --> 02:20:50,000
Between the by the something a lift station property.

1536
02:20:50,000 --> 02:20:53,000
It's behind a small strip mall.

1537
02:20:53,000 --> 02:20:57,000
It's behind the the kind of strip mall aspect of the one on a mall area.

1538
02:20:57,000 --> 02:20:59,000
That's that's on the south side of that picture.

1539
02:20:59,000 --> 02:21:04,000
So this is a this is along the creek the corner of Vila and and going around.

1540
02:21:04,000 --> 02:21:07,000
Here's where I'm going with this my question.

1541
02:21:07,000 --> 02:21:12,000
You know, servicing things on a roof always takes more energy.

1542
02:21:12,000 --> 02:21:14,000
You got to get up on that roof.

1543
02:21:14,000 --> 02:21:17,000
You're oftentimes having to anchor into a roof.

1544
02:21:17,000 --> 02:21:21,000
You're puncturing a roof that you would like to stay waterproof.

1545
02:21:21,000 --> 02:21:23,000
I know it's possible to do.

1546
02:21:23,000 --> 02:21:29,000
Isn't some of this stuff better suited to simply have on the ground for servicing.

1547
02:21:29,000 --> 02:21:34,000
In terms of accessing yes, it's a lot easier to access on the ground.

1548
02:21:34,000 --> 02:21:35,000
Which.

1549
02:21:35,000 --> 02:21:40,000
You know, yep, that that's theoretically a small part solar to pretty much a plug it in.

1550
02:21:40,000 --> 02:21:41,000
It's pretty durable.

1551
02:21:41,000 --> 02:21:43,000
There shouldn't be much that needs to be done.

1552
02:21:43,000 --> 02:21:44,000
The.

1553
02:21:45,000 --> 02:21:55,000
To my surprise, the quote we got for a lot of this stuff was cheaper to be on the roof because they don't need to have the the they don't need to have a pounding in the the the metal post and other pieces.

1554
02:21:55,000 --> 02:21:59,000
So it is slightly more cost effective to put it on a roof that's in good shape.

1555
02:21:59,000 --> 02:22:04,000
So that was one of the considerations of some buildings that didn't make the cut because they've got old roofs.

1556
02:22:04,000 --> 02:22:09,000
And in some cases, we tried to go with roofs that were that either could be ballasted.

1557
02:22:09,000 --> 02:22:12,000
So you don't have to, you know, drive much down through the roof.

1558
02:22:12,000 --> 02:22:15,000
You can be weighted down there and just the size of the panels.

1559
02:22:15,000 --> 02:22:22,000
And and materials like put on those racking will keep it in place or in other cases, like the central village salt shed.

1560
02:22:22,000 --> 02:22:27,000
You know, if you put that if you can seal around the roof, if you drop this and going to.

1561
02:22:27,000 --> 02:22:31,000
May I make the pigeons uncomfortable, but it's not going to be any any problem to the.

1562
02:22:31,000 --> 02:22:33,000
The overall operation.

1563
02:22:33,000 --> 02:22:34,000
Okay.

1564
02:22:34,000 --> 02:22:35,000
You've thought about it.

1565
02:22:35,000 --> 02:22:37,000
Thank you appreciate it.

1566
02:22:38,000 --> 02:22:43,000
So quick question. So is this being considered for city hall.

1567
02:22:43,000 --> 02:22:45,000
Or the East and Rex Center.

1568
02:22:45,000 --> 02:22:48,000
We did value with those and those who have good solar access.

1569
02:22:48,000 --> 02:22:51,000
The the issue is the roofs are rather old.

1570
02:22:51,000 --> 02:22:56,000
And so both are being replaced, at least in the budget to be replaced for the next year.

1571
02:22:56,000 --> 02:23:06,000
So I guess that was my main question is, do you do this when you're after the roof's replaced and it's good or do you do it as a part of the replacement of the roof.

1572
02:23:07,000 --> 02:23:11,000
Well, yeah, you you want to wait till a roof is replaced or in good shape.

1573
02:23:11,000 --> 02:23:16,000
So theoretically these buildings if they did if they do get the roof replaced would be eligible.

1574
02:23:16,000 --> 02:23:18,000
The the problem is that the work does need to really happen.

1575
02:23:18,000 --> 02:23:20,000
Begin next year 2026.

1576
02:23:20,000 --> 02:23:25,000
So yeah, yeah, it's in case things don't happen quickly.

1577
02:23:25,000 --> 02:23:27,000
It would be hard to.

1578
02:23:27,000 --> 02:23:33,000
Kind of get them and and with I think that with city hall at least we do have a community solar subscription that would.

1579
02:23:34,000 --> 02:23:36,000
Make it more complicated to get solar.

1580
02:23:36,000 --> 02:23:42,000
So we can't have solar panels that would where we have community solar where there's unless.

1581
02:23:42,000 --> 02:23:44,000
We can't double dip with having those.

1582
02:23:44,000 --> 02:23:47,000
Yeah, we're already saving to enter energy credits.

1583
02:23:47,000 --> 02:23:48,000
Thanks.

1584
02:23:48,000 --> 02:23:49,000
Thank you.

1585
02:23:49,000 --> 02:23:52,000
Any other comments or questions?

1586
02:23:52,000 --> 02:23:58,000
Yeah, I'm at the tail end of a solar project in my house on the east end.

1587
02:23:58,000 --> 02:24:06,000
And we're financing 70% well 100% but then we're going to get the 30% tax credits.

1588
02:24:06,000 --> 02:24:13,000
The even paying for 70% of the project at pace for itself in five to seven years.

1589
02:24:13,000 --> 02:24:22,000
And that's before taking account how electrical costs will be possibly surging with AI.

1590
02:24:22,000 --> 02:24:27,000
So to get 100% I think this is to me in no brainer.

1591
02:24:28,000 --> 02:24:34,000
But I think I'm just smart to really concentrate on the right projects.

1592
02:24:34,000 --> 02:24:37,000
And.

1593
02:24:37,000 --> 02:24:39,000
Yeah, focus.

1594
02:24:39,000 --> 02:24:41,000
Are you saying?

1595
02:24:41,000 --> 02:24:43,000
Thank you for following this project together.

1596
02:24:43,000 --> 02:24:47,000
If I'm reading it right, it's almost $2 million in savings in 25 years.

1597
02:24:47,000 --> 02:24:48,000
That's tremendous.

1598
02:24:48,000 --> 02:24:51,000
Thank you.

1599
02:24:51,000 --> 02:24:52,000
Absolutely.

1600
02:24:52,000 --> 02:24:54,000
Any other discussion?

1601
02:24:55,000 --> 02:24:56,000
Thank you, John.

1602
02:24:56,000 --> 02:24:58,000
Appreciate it.

1603
02:24:58,000 --> 02:25:00,000
Here you know their discussion.

1604
02:25:00,000 --> 02:25:01,000
All those in favor say aye.

1605
02:25:01,000 --> 02:25:02,000
Aye.

1606
02:25:02,000 --> 02:25:03,000
Opposed.

1607
02:25:03,000 --> 02:25:05,000
Motion passes.

1608
02:25:05,000 --> 02:25:07,000
Lots of work, John.

1609
02:25:07,000 --> 02:25:09,000
Thank you.

1610
02:25:09,000 --> 02:25:12,000
Item seven is council concerns.

1611
02:25:12,000 --> 02:25:13,000
Council member.

1612
02:25:14,000 --> 02:25:17,000
Time being eight fifty five.

1613
02:25:17,000 --> 02:25:21,000
Who got them first?

1614
02:25:21,000 --> 02:25:24,000
What do me.

1615
02:25:24,000 --> 02:25:31,000
I've been involved in several public hearings, contentious public hearings.

1616
02:25:31,000 --> 02:25:38,000
But being involved in this hearing tonight, watching the people, regardless of what side you were on.

1617
02:25:38,000 --> 02:25:42,000
They were both sides very, very respectful.

1618
02:25:42,000 --> 02:25:45,000
And I mean, you don't see that public hearings.

1619
02:25:45,000 --> 02:25:46,000
And this is one.

1620
02:25:46,000 --> 02:25:52,000
I mean, it's been quite a while since I've witnessed a hearing where everyone regardless of opinion.

1621
02:25:52,000 --> 02:25:57,000
You've just simply said your piece didn't pick on anybody else.

1622
02:25:57,000 --> 02:25:59,000
And it was very, very good.

1623
02:25:59,000 --> 02:26:01,000
Very professionally done.

1624
02:26:01,000 --> 02:26:04,000
Thank you to the people that, of course, are left here.

1625
02:26:04,000 --> 02:26:08,000
So and in closing, happy Thanksgiving, everyone.

1626
02:26:08,000 --> 02:26:09,000
Very good.

1627
02:26:09,000 --> 02:26:10,000
Thank you, George.

1628
02:26:11,000 --> 02:26:12,000
Thank you.

1629
02:26:12,000 --> 02:26:13,000
You're good.

1630
02:26:13,000 --> 02:26:14,000
Council member Haema.

1631
02:26:14,000 --> 02:26:16,000
Just wanted to addition to Georgia's comments.

1632
02:26:16,000 --> 02:26:18,000
Not only was the hearing good.

1633
02:26:18,000 --> 02:26:20,000
Then I appreciated all the comments.

1634
02:26:20,000 --> 02:26:23,000
But all of the correspondence was equally good.

1635
02:26:23,000 --> 02:26:25,000
Things were well thought out.

1636
02:26:25,000 --> 02:26:28,000
People expressed heartfelt opinions on both sides.

1637
02:26:28,000 --> 02:26:29,000
And it was logical.

1638
02:26:29,000 --> 02:26:34,000
And it was, there was virtually no vitriol, which is always super pleasant.

1639
02:26:34,000 --> 02:26:37,000
So again, thank you for participating.

1640
02:26:37,000 --> 02:26:41,000
We can't do this without community participation.

1641
02:26:41,000 --> 02:26:42,000
Thank you.

1642
02:26:42,000 --> 02:26:43,000
Absolutely.

1643
02:26:43,000 --> 02:26:45,000
Jerome?

1644
02:26:45,000 --> 02:26:46,000
Let's eat turkey.

1645
02:26:46,000 --> 02:26:48,000
Yeah, there you go.

1646
02:26:48,000 --> 02:26:50,000
Councilor, is your district rich?

1647
02:26:50,000 --> 02:26:52,000
You've heard enough from me tonight.

1648
02:26:52,000 --> 02:26:53,000
Okay.

1649
02:26:53,000 --> 02:26:55,000
You're using, uh, just fine today.

1650
02:26:55,000 --> 02:26:56,000
Okay.

1651
02:26:56,000 --> 02:26:58,000
Councilor, councilman.

1652
02:26:58,000 --> 02:26:59,000
I'm good.

1653
02:26:59,000 --> 02:27:00,000
Not thank you.

1654
02:27:00,000 --> 02:27:01,000
Okay.

1655
02:27:01,000 --> 02:27:02,000
Very good.

1656
02:27:08,000 --> 02:27:11,000
Under the consent agenda, we have six items.

1657
02:27:11,000 --> 02:27:16,000
Item 8.1 is the approval of the November 3rd, 2025 council minutes.

1658
02:27:16,000 --> 02:27:22,000
Item 8.2 is the approval of the ordinance to increase liquor license fees.

1659
02:27:22,000 --> 02:27:27,000
Item 8.3 is an ordinance to set the fees for the city services for 2026.

1660
02:27:27,000 --> 02:27:32,000
Item 8.4 is an ordinance to establish a handicap parking space on Sandboard Street.

1661
02:27:32,000 --> 02:27:36,000
Item 8.5 is an ordinance to amend one hour parking located on Mark Street.

1662
02:27:36,000 --> 02:27:38,000
And finally, 8.5.

1663
02:27:38,000 --> 02:27:41,000
Item 8.6 is a claim against the city by Tony Herman.

1664
02:27:41,000 --> 02:27:43,000
Move to approve the consent agenda.

1665
02:27:43,000 --> 02:27:44,000
Second to all that.

1666
02:27:44,000 --> 02:27:48,000
Motion from Steve, second to all that from Jerome.

1667
02:27:48,000 --> 02:27:50,000
Those in favour?

1668
02:27:50,000 --> 02:27:51,000
Aye.

1669
02:27:51,000 --> 02:27:52,000
Aye.

1670
02:27:52,000 --> 02:27:53,000
Opposed?

1671
02:27:53,000 --> 02:27:54,000
Motion passes.

1672
02:27:54,000 --> 02:27:57,000
Mayors, a time being eight fifty eight p.m.

1673
02:27:57,000 --> 02:27:58,000
I move.

1674
02:27:58,000 --> 02:27:59,000
We adjourn.

1675
02:27:59,000 --> 02:28:00,000
Second.

1676
02:28:00,000 --> 02:28:01,000
Motion from George.

1677
02:28:01,000 --> 02:28:03,000
Second from Steve.

1678
02:28:03,000 --> 02:28:04,000
All those in favour say aye.

1679
02:28:04,000 --> 02:28:05,000
Aye.

1680
02:28:06,000 --> 02:28:07,000
Meeting adjourned.

1681
02:28:07,000 --> 02:28:08,000
Thank you everyone.

1682
02:28:08,000 --> 02:28:09,000
Good job.