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30 p.m., and I call this meeting to order. Please stand, and we'll recite the plight of allegiance.

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Good evening, everyone. This is a regularly scheduled meeting of the one-own-of-city council. I don't have anything specific tonight, so I'll kick it over to City Manager Chetubol.

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mayor and council nothing else this evening. Very good. I will now ask City Clerk to take the roll call.

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Mayor Sherman.

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Council Member Young.

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Hi Ma.

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Here.

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Christensen.

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Serden Shortridge.

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Here.

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Borja Kowski.

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Here.

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Thank you.

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Here.

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For each public hearing staff will make a short presentation and then I will ask if anyone from the public wishes to speak to the matter.

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Please state your name and address clearly. You'll be given up to three minutes to make your testimony.

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I will call three times for public comments.

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Once the hearing is closed, the public may not participate in the discussion by City Council.

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Under required public hearings, item 2.1 is an annexation request for 1628 Valley View Drive.

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I'll call City Point Interlude Simms to present this staff count.

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Good evening.

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Thank you, Mayor and Council.

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Before you today is an item for an annexation at 1628 Valley View Drive.

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This is a single family property located directly adjacent to city property.

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This property also came before you for annexation via a joint orderly annexation

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pursued back in May of this year.

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Without hearing an affirmative response from Wilson Township,

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the city is pursuing annexation by ordinance.

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The property is described on page 9 of your agenda today.

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The applicants, Greta and Anthony vote, came forward due to a failing septic system.

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The septic system they currently have lacks tank integrity and is also experiencing soil

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separation, caught failing to protect ground water in the area, they are required to address

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the deficiencies, either through replacement, upgrading, or discontinued use within 10 months.

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They made that observation in April of this year.

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before you today is an opportunity to bring 1628 Valley View Drive into the city of

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Winona via annexation and connect this this property to city utilities

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thereby going going around and addressing the integrity issues and the soil

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separation issues at this property with that I'm available for any questions

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more questions until after the public hearing if you don't mind council thank

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you all right I will now open the public hearing I know the petitioner

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they're not in attendance tonight so I'll open the public hearing regarding the

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proposed annexation. We'll now open the public hearing. Anyone wishing to

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speak has invited to come forward please state your name and address for the

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record before making or comments.

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I'll now ask again does anybody from the

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public wish to speak during the required public hearing for item 2.1 annexation

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request at 1628 Valley View Drive?

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I'll ask again does anybody wish to speak during

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the required public hearing for item 2.1 and

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last one more time. Does anybody from the

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public wish to speak during the required public hearing for item 2.1 annexation request

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at 1628 value view drive?

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Is there anyone else who wishes to provide comments regarding

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the information on the proposed annexation of the theme? Seeing none, I will close the public

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hearing.

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Mr. Mayor, I move that that council introduce the ordinance.

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Is that a motion from Steve, second from Jerome, discussion among the council or the questions

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for staff?

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Mr. Sims.

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So, in reviewing this, this looks like this is, like you mentioned, this is adjacent

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property, so we're not doing anything other than just extending what, you know, next, what's

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next door.

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or was there a reason that Wilson Township gave

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for not agreeing to the annexation?

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Wilson Township did not provide any form of resolution

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related to that.

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However, the informal response I received

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was that they were not interested in pursuing annexation

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via a single property or an annexation request

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and would rather prefer the city to go through

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its annexation ordinance procedures.

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Okay, so there wasn't a particular reason.

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and this is their preferred path for us to choose,

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which we have done numerous times before, am I correct?

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Correct, we have done that similar joint orally annexation,

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followed by annexation by ordinance procedure in the past.

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Okay, so this fits the profile.

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Correct, council member Heimer.

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Great, thank you.

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Drone, did you have something?

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Nope, any other?

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Yeah, toured.

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No, there's already stovards for sewer and water there, correct?

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directly in front of the property. Thank you. That's all I am. Any other questions for Luke?

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Thanks, Luke. Appreciate it.

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All right. Any other discussion? Hearing none? All those in favor? Say aye.

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Opposed? Motion passes. Item 2.2 is a municipal consent public hearing for Highway 43 Project.

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I would like to call on Jay Kalsi from Minda to come forward and present the Highway 43 project, please.

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Is the green light on your mic?

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evening, Mr. Mayor.

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Members of the council, city staff, thanks for entertaining our motion or our, excuse me,

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our request tonight for municipal consent for upcoming project on Highway 43.

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I have a brief PowerPoint presentation to go over the project and the process here.

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Reckman from Align Engineering is also here today to present the layout that has been submitted

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for consideration.

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So I guess the first question that I'd like to address is why are we here?

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What is the hearing purpose for tonight?

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This is basically spelled out in Minnesota statutes 161.162 through 161.167.

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Municipal consent is required for the local municipality when Mindot is proposing a project

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within that municipality that beats one of three thresholds.

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one, if we're altering access, so for instance, closing a driveway, etc., number two, if

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we increase or reduce the highway capacity, that would be like adding another through

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lane on a highway, or number three, if we're requiring the acquisition of a permanent rights

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away as part of the project. So in our case, this particular project here actually meets

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the thresholds for criteria number one and number three.

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And so that's, as triggered the municipal consent process.

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So as part of that process, MINDOT transmits what we call the staff approved geometric layout.

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It shows the geometric features of the project.

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We also transmit a good faith cost estimate to the city, outlining any anticipated cost share

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items and cost responsibilities that the city would be responsible for as part of that

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project and other associated reports which typically would be an environmental document

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or some other design memo.

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Once that package is transmitted to the city, the city has 15 days within receipt of that

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package to schedule a public hearing.

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So I did transmit that package to Brian on June 30th.

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The city then schedules and holds public hearing with 30 days notice.

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Must hold the public hearing within 60 days of receiving that final layout.

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So that's tonight's meeting.

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The city council then considers the layout in addition to any testimony provided by

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concerns citizens. The city then has 90 days to either approve or disapprove

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that layout. I should say within 90 days of the hearing. If the layout is

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disapproved, MINDOT has basically one of three options. One, if you disprove

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disapproved, but you have a number of conditions that if MINDOT can meet, then

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the staff approved layout could be approved upon receiving written notice from

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MINDOT that we agreed to those conditions and we furnish you with a revised layout.

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At that point, the consent process has concluded and MINDOT can proceed with the

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project. The second option here is that we can file an appeal to have an independent

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body review that decision and render a final decision on the layout. Or number three, we

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can withdraw the project and not complete the project. I should say there's also one

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other slight nuance here, we could also take a look at the layout. Again, looking at

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those triggers or those thresholds for needing municipal consent. If we modify the project

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such that we don't trigger those thresholds, then the need for municipal consent is basically

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rendered a move point and then that can move forward with the project.

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let me talk a little bit more about the project and the specifics here.

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The purpose for this project is to improve pavement quality.

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Also the sidewalk and pedestrian ramps, we want to bring those into compliance.

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Update any intersection traffic control is warranted and then improve mobility and safety

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for all modes of traffic.

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So with that, it's kind of a high level of the process

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and why we're doing a project on Highway 43.

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I'm going to turn it over to Abby now

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who's going to kind of walk us through the specifics of the project,

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the beginning and end points of the project, the project length,

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and what we're proposing to do here.

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Hello, I'm Abby Rickman, the line of engineering design engineer for the job.

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My visuals are not great so I'll try to give you guys a good verbal description

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of the project. So it's on Tranquilay 43, which snakes through town and has

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several vocal road names for it, Forest Street and Main Street, Sarnia. So it's

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kind of a complicated layout. It starts on kind of latch island. We have an orphan

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section of pavement of 43 that just needs to be milled and overlaid. So we take

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off a couple inches of the surface with the milling and then we overlay it with new

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pavement gives you that good surface quality ride quality there. So that's on

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Latch Island that's really all that's happening in that location. And then we

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move into town. So once you're across the Big River Bridge we'll continue that

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Mill and Overlay process of 43. And just really just that happening at the

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intersection of Winona and Forest Street. And then we go down Forest Street and

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throughout the project as it makes its way on the 4th and to Maine and

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Sarnia, that Mill and Overlay is happening as well as kind of piecemeal

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sidewalk improvements. So areas where panels have cracks or discontinuities that

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wouldn't meet ADA standards were replacing that sidewalk, smoothing it out,

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will replace some driveways if they have issues or aren't compliant, mostly to

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cross-loop through the power of the festering access route that goes through a

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driveway. So replacing the driveways you've got a nice flat slope. We're

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including a lot of bump outs at most intersections. So shortening that

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crossing for pedestrians across 43 and the side road.

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main there's an existing signal which is going to be removed and replaced with an

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always start.

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That was based on an earlier traffic study. And then continuing down main, we get to fifth

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street. That existing signal system is also going to be removed and replaced with side

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street stops. So fifth street would stop and 43 would continue unimpeded. And then we

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are proposing a RRFB, so rapid rectangular flashing beacon. There's one at eight

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street by the college, so it's a way for pedestrians to push that button. It

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actually lets people know that the ads are there, lets them cross safely, so

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we're proposing one of those, crossing main street at fifth, and then Broadway has

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an existing signal, and that is proposed to be replaced with a new signal system.

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The existing one is met at service life and it will be upgraded to have APS technology.

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So, assessable pedestrian signal, it will have push buttons that chirp for people fully

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accessible.

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So, that will all be updated.

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We've got spot replacements of storm sewer, fixing catch basins, minor areas where it would

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go across the road but the most part just spot fixing.

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sarnia. It's a lot of the same bump outs and pedestrian ramps are being fixed and upgraded.

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We will be adding sidewalk along Lake Park from about Franklin over to the roundabout of Mankato.

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It will tie in that existing sidewalk. So we're going to propose an eight foot walk along the south side of sarnia street there.

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which provides a buffer to traffic and then a five-foot use for a sidewalk.

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But it will all be paid great from the back of the car.

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Our typical section for the most part will maintain parking on both sides.

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We're proposing 11 foot wide through lanes and then a five-foot bike lane on both sides of the road.

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So with our sidewalk replacements in certain areas we do have potential for tree impacts.

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It's a mostly along lake park, there's some tree litter very close to where that side

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block would go in.

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So, we're going to assess that and make sure that if we're damaging roots that we take

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care of them, we will be doing a lot of root cutting to make sure that we don't damage roots

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and we kind of keep the trees as healthy as possible if we're going to mark them for being

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saved.

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But that is a potential that will be assessing as we move into final design.

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Abigail?

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Abigail, did you have images you wanted to show?

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Because if you had layout screens, the council has a printout

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and I have what was provided to Brian or IT is trying to bring them up.

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Do you want us to bring those up unless there's questions you want to have them queued up?

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Yeah, if there are some potential questions after discussion here, it might be good to refer to.

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I know it's a little hard to go off of just a verbal description, pictures worth a thousand words sometimes, right?

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We're working on trying to get them.

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So I'll get through the rest of my presentation, which is very much longer.

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And then so Brad if you could just go back to the presentation and then keep working on getting those files up that'd be great

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Appreciate it. Thank you.

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So the graphic is is our layout

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That's what we're asking councils to consider and ultimately vote on proving or disapproving

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a couple other things here to note so

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Right away for the project so there are some temporary easements that are needed

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or a good length of the project.

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Most temporary easements are needed in many areas

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to facilitate the sidewalk replacement

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and driveway reconstruction.

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So there'll be a number of parcels impacted.

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beyond the back of the sidewalk will be needed

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to help construct the sidewalk replacements

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and sort of blend the slopes back into folks's yards.

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We do have a few areas of permanent acquisition and permanent easements that are needed, albeit most of them are fairly small.

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Most significant one will be along the south side of Sarnia Street from Franklin to just west of the Lake Park,

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drive Hamilton Street area.

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this is for the new sidewalk that's being constructed. Much of it is within

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Min dot right away but there's some that strays outside of Min dot right

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away. There's some other things there regarding some regulatory impacts known

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as six F impacts that we have to do some basically some land swapping. There are

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There are three other areas where there are some small slivers needed to install updated

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pet ramps at three, three separate quadrants, various intersections within highway, or

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the trunk highway corridor.

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So that's what's required for right away in terms of schedule.

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So, we're looking at letting this project in January of 2028 currently.

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We anticipate construction would begin in May of 2028, we're intentionally trying

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to schedule the work on Main Street in the vicinity of Winola State University for

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the month's regular school session is out.

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We expect it to be substantially complete in August of 2028, again, weather permitting.

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And the end of construction, after we do some final cleanup and punchless items, we would

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anticipate later that fall in 2028 in

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advance of the year.

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In terms of traffic control for the project, the final traffic control plan is still under development.

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We have looked at things at a fairly high level conceptually, broken into three main stages

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with a stage zero pre-stage.

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That stage zero would involve short-term closures at select intersections at the corners

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to complete some of the storm sewer work, so there may be short detours required for those.

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Stage 1, we would have Highway 43 traffic, all of that shifted to one side, while the

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other half is closed for sidewalk, turbine gutter work, etc. There would likely

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need to be some on-street parking restrictions during that time frame. Stage 2, we

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would flip-flop things around and do the other half, Highway 43, turbine gutter,

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sidewalk, etc. Final stage would be with the surfacing, the mill and overlay,

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through the entire length of the project, which we anticipate being able to do

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that under traffic with flagging operations.

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In terms of cost, there are a number of

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cost share items detailed here. The bulk of the cost have to do with the city's

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cost share for a signal replacement, but the total is approximately $298,900, and that's

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of a total project cost about $6.3 million of which Minda is responsible for about $6 million more.

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So that's all we had for our formal presentation here tonight.

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So we'll allow councils to move forward with either questions or answers from our testimony from the public.

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I'm going to go to public hearing first, that way we have all the information presented

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before we get into questions with Minda.

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So I'll now open the public hearing regarding municipal consent for the Highway 43 project.

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Anyone who wishes to speak is invited to come forward.

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Please state your name and address for the record before making your comments.

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You will have three minutes to address the council.

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Council members may ask questions of speakers for the purpose of clearing

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flying facts. Does anybody from the public wish to speak during the

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required public hearing? Come on up, Michael.

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Honourable Mayor Sherman, members. My name is Michael Rojak. I am the executive

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director of the bicycle Alliance of Minnesota. I live in Winona's largest

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suburb Rochester and I came over here today to talk about what I think is a

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is a safety issue and my understanding is that you will not actually be voting on

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municipal consent tonight. We are going to submit a formal letter that's going to

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go into great detail about some of the concerns that we have and ultimately we

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view this as a public safety issue and we think there are safer designs that are

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available out there. I spent 12 years on the Rochester City Council that's 12

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very long years so I appreciate the service that you're doing I know what it's

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like to have to make these decisions.

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And I actually got involved.

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I came across the scene of a crash on June 16, 2006,

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just over 20 years ago.

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We're a young girl named Ariana McNamara

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was killed at an incredibly unsafe intersection.

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She and her family were doing everything right.

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And ultimately, because of the design of the roadway,

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a driver did not stop and she lost her life.

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And that hangs with me to this day.

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When I see things that are clearly safety issues,

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I feel it is my personal responsibility and all my professional duty to say that there

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are in fact better options that are out there.

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Now I want to tell you that there's a lot of things in this project that is really good

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and really improvements and engineers will probably tell you that this is safer than what's

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out there today and that is unquestionably true.

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But there are certain things that we must expect for our communities and the people of our communities

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for safety.

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One of those items has to do with mixing of vulnerable road users with certain speeds and

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densities of traffic.

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It's not just me that's up here saying this, but rather best practices from the MinDOTs

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Bicycle Design Guide, their own manual, the Federal Highway Administration, NACTO, which is

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promote safe designs within cities, ASHTO.

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All of these groups have looked at how you build safe infrastructure, and there are certain

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things that they just say can never ever happen if we truly want our

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communities to be safe. Now when we look at projects we get asked to comment on

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projects a lot. There are projects that we love, there are projects that we

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think are adequate, there are projects that we think are poor, where we really want

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to put our foot down is when we see something that is clearly unsafe. And this

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design as it stands today, we view it as not meeting the most basic safety

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standards and very specifically anytime you have speeds at over 30 miles per hour you need to

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have physical separation between the vulnerable road users and the vehicles particularly if you

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have truck traffic. 11 foot lanes are plenty wide that's what you have on I-94 between Minneapolis

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and St. Paul and the good news I'd leave you with is we're here to help the city we're here to partner

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with men that we think there are solutions that can be done within this project for a budget that's

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just a rounding error. We want to help you address the safety issues in this so we can all be

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supportive of what comes out. Thank you. Very good. Thank you. Does anybody else from the public

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who should speak during the Reparted Public Hearing?

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Good evening mayor and council. My name is Bernadette

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Murphy and I live at 750 West Fifth Street. I don't know for four on the presentation mentioned

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that this project is to improve mobility and safety for all modes of traffic. I hear updated

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head ramps but no updated bicycle infrastructure. I'm an avid cyclist. I ride nearly every single day

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including winter. I'm against this project design because it is unsafe and does not follow current

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guidelines, not even Mendaud's own bicycle infrastructure guidelines. Minneapolis used to have

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painted bike lanes on busy streets and my husband used these lanes. He was struck by a vehicle when he

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was legally in a painted lane on a bicycle. Minneapolis has learned that painted lanes on roads with high

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traffic volume and parked cars are unsafe, unsafe. They no longer create lanes like this.

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In heavy traffic corridor as the lanes are separated. Bike infrastructure needs to be safe and

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useful. While the route on Sarnia may be useful, it is not safe. Pacing a painted line on the road

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is not protection, putting bike lanes in the door zone leads to injuries or worse. Operating speeds

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of over 35 miles an hour and a daily traffic volume of over 7,000 vehicles dictates the bike lanes

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should be separated. There are various designs to accomplish this. For the record, I'm very

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pro bike infrastructure, but it needs to be safe and it should connect things people need.

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Safe corridors for kids to travel to school and the water park and the skate shop,

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safe connections for college kids to attend class and go to coffee shops.

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If these lanes cannot be properly and safely designed, just don't do them. Painting bike lanes that

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That might make the numbers look good, but it does not make biking in them safe.

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Not painting dangerous bike lanes at all.

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Thanks. If we build infrastructure for bicycles, we should build it right. Plans that allow cyclists to safely traverse

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for an owner have the potential to reduce vehicles on the roads. Fear motor vehicles leads to less wear and tear.

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Putting the time and effort in now to build this correctly will positively impact future budget. But in this current form,

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I request that please do not give municipal consent to the current project. We can make it better. Thank you.

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Does anybody else from the public wish to speak during the required public hearing for item 2.2?

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Good evening, council.

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Staff, all show my are 3.22 high-forest.

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You all know me.

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I'm going to take my glass off.

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Oh, now we know you.

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I can't say it any better really than Michael and Bernadette have.

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but I first, I want to address the diversion of traffic.

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You know, really, I believe highway 43 should actually go to Pelsar, downriver view,

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Huff Street, Fort Street, left turns.

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I drove a truck in the past.

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That's a logical common sense place to have traffic go.

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and at least during this construction that's where I would send the truck

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traffic out to Pelzer, Riverview, Huff and Corp. Truck drivers will really like it.

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Left turns and double lanes were right turns so consider that. Second you guys know

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I'm a cyclist. I'm also a pedestrian and I really think that these improvements on

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Maine and Sarney are going to make it safer for pedestrians, but will not for cyclists.

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The door zone for the cyclist, I know there are some of you on, on council here is the

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kill zone, and so that's, and probably many of us here have been doored by self-included

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and having a bikeway pathway in the door zone on a street like Sarnier or

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Main Street really is not a good idea. So I really encourage the council and

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Mindot and our city engineer who does a great job of making recommendations to

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please don't put that paint down.

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Cyclists will think it's safe, but it's not.

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As a constrained lane, it's not protected.

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It will hurt cyclists.

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Do not put those bike lanes on Sarnia and May.

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Thanks.

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Thanks, Paul.

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Does anybody else from the public

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who should speak during the required public hearing today?

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Good evening.

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I'm Diane Lutgeb-Munzen.

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I live at 516 Dakota Street.

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And I just wanted to add my voice to the chorus and say,

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I agree. I write all over this town. I also walk all over this town. I'd like for it to be safer. Let's make sure that it actually is.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Does anybody else from the public wish to speak during the required public hearing?

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My name is Michelle Plummer. The 865-0 Roman sunset drive.

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And as a cyclist, as a coach of middle school and high school athletes of the mountain bike team, as well as a mother of a cyclist,

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I've seen Britain and Rochester, I've written in the cities on street lanes, and I will honestly

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tell you that I will tell parents and children that this lane is built the way it's designed.

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It is not safe.

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I often work with a young children when they're by camera to law and middle school writers.

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They easily get distracted, right?

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I know it because they want to have fun.

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It's easy for a driver to easily get distracted, a phone call even though they may not pick

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it up. They keep this track. They look, check this right now. They're going over the cycling lane.

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The lane for cyclists is 5 feet wide. I believe the state says you have to allow three feet between

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a motor vehicle and a cyclist. That basically gives us cyclists 1 to 2 feet of space to put that

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three feet of space in between. So as someone who loves cycling, loves the children in our area,

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Please move that lane at least to the other side of the car vehicles so that it has a barrier

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between the vehicles.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Does anybody else from the public wish to speak during the required public hearing?

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Last one last time.

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Does anybody from the public wish to speak during the required public hearing?

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For item 2.2 municipal consent, public hearing for TH-43 project.

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Come on up, Ted.

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But you always wait till my last amount.

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I want to make sure I don't cut anybody else off.

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I hear you, bro.

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Teddy is all 10, 10, 73 U.S. fifth street in Winona.

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And I would ask the council to deny the municipal cussant as well.

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There are several issues with this proposal.

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The biggest issue is narrowing the lanes on Sarnier Street

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for semi-traffic. As some of you may know, I'm a former truck driver with 6.8 million miles under

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my belt. Accident free. A semi- is 102 inches wide and 18 inches wide on either side for mirrors.

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That's 11 feet. If you have 11 foot lanes rather than the 12 to 13 foot lanes that currently exist

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and you get two semi's and parked cars and somebody on a bicycle on the bike lane,

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they're going to collide with their mirrors to an arrow.

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So I would ask that either they keep the lanes at the existing 12.5, 13 feet,

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do not narrow them. Also another problem.

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We need this traffic light at 5th and main.

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If you have a traffic signal at Broadway in a 4-way stop at 4th Street,

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with the way the cars queue from a 4-way stop,

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and you're wanting to go east or west on 5th without that light,

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you ain't getting across.

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You're going to sit there and sit there and take unnecessary chances.

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So especially during peak traffic hours, so please keep the light at 5th and

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Broadway or excuse me, 5th and Maine. One other observation that Minda brings

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up were brought where Maine is 4 lane. Keep the 4 lanes put over it, signing in, have

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We have 43 traffic in the left lane so they can negotiate the left turns to go across the bridge.

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Keep the right lane available for those wanting to go into downtown or to make right turns on 5th or 4th.

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A simple overhead signage would cover that.

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And then lastly, I don't think we need a bump out at every single intersection.

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may be every other or every third but not every single one.

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So I would ask that

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council deny municipal consent and send this back to the drawing board to

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make some revisions. Thank you. Thanks, Ed. Does anybody else from the public

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wish to speak to me during the required public hearing? Come on up.

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Okay, Linda 1775. What's fifth straight? Really quick. I'll just following what

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that said and completely agree every single thing that he said so that's it thank

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you I totally miss that I am I'm sorry

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But thank you for okay. Thank you very good. Appreciate it

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All right anybody else from the public we should speak I'm gonna keep the public hearing open so that if you would like to present your

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Slides and they are in the public hearing we

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might need them. I think council's probably gonna dig into them. So I

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I also want to make a comment to the gallery. Commentary like Gavelyn Orria is very impactful

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just to get up and give your name and say that you agree with a previous commenter is helpful commentary for us.

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We don't necessarily see who you're nodding your heads with.

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So Brad will bring up the image for you.

456
00:39:25,660 --> 00:39:29,420
And I think if you want him to move left or right you may have to ask him.

457
00:39:29,420 --> 00:39:37,760
You do have a zoom on your remote, which is the very top button.

458
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:42,160
Okay, so public hearing is still open, so I'm going to allow her to do her presentation

459
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:47,440
with the slides, and then I'll close the public hearing, and then we'll get into this question.

460
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:26,540
Okay.

461
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:28,960
Brad, I think this is okay.

462
00:40:29,300 --> 00:40:34,660
We may just need, you know, she may direct you left, right, zoom.

463
00:40:38,630 --> 00:40:39,810
Can you zoom in a bit?

464
00:40:43,350 --> 00:40:45,030
Move it to the right?

465
00:40:49,450 --> 00:40:50,530
The other, sorry.

466
00:40:50,790 --> 00:40:51,270
You're on the right.

467
00:40:52,250 --> 00:40:58,370
Alright, so here's the layout. We'll kind of start with the

468
00:40:58,370 --> 00:41:02,290
window and intersection. It's at the very bottom of the screen and then I'm going to go.

469
00:41:03,570 --> 00:41:07,870
Brad, can you zoom in just a little bit more? If I'm struggling, I have a feeling that some

470
00:41:07,870 --> 00:41:12,280
of my other counselors are struggling too. Thank you, Brad.

471
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:19,560
So here's Winona Street and Fort, so that light blue color is the mill and

472
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:24,540
overlay shapes that's going to be all of the pavement. Anywhere you see the

473
00:41:24,540 --> 00:41:29,840
pink color, that sidewalk replacement, the dark blues or driveways, and then

474
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:36,260
the yellow is going to be new fold at the pavement and red would be carbon

475
00:41:36,260 --> 00:41:44,400
got her. So you can see that first intersection. I think that's Johnson. Can you clarify the sidewalk

476
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:51,520
detail proposed for Sarnia Street? You had said eight feet. Yes. Yep. Along Lake Park.

477
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:58,680
That eight feet, five of it will be sidewalk. The remaining three feet will be, it will all be paved

478
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:03,640
with concrete. So it will act like a sidewalk, but we put in like a three foot buffer from the back

479
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:12,260
a curb just for horizontal offset to part cars. So it'll be raised curving gutter and then eight

480
00:42:12,260 --> 00:42:16,060
feet of paved sidewalk. Yep. Okay. Thank you.

481
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:24,170
If you keep moving up you see I think all that

482
00:42:24,170 --> 00:42:29,450
might be down in there but we've got bump outs and then in the middle that giant yellow is an area

483
00:42:29,450 --> 00:42:36,550
we've got storm sewer repair happening. Keep going. We can need to go up to

484
00:42:36,550 --> 00:42:43,370
main. So there's main and four existing signal coming a four-way stop. We are

485
00:42:43,370 --> 00:42:48,690
removing that raised median that's currently on main street between 4th and 5th

486
00:42:48,690 --> 00:42:56,910
replacing it with a left turn lane. You can see the bump outs at the corners. You can

487
00:42:56,910 --> 00:43:00,130
just slowly move, as we go there,

488
00:43:04,530 --> 00:43:05,870
is that zoomed in enough for people?

489
00:43:08,140 --> 00:43:08,440
So then

490
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:12,580
Broadway, new signal there, no bump outs at Broadway,

491
00:43:16,730 --> 00:43:18,250
turning movements, excuse me,

492
00:43:18,530 --> 00:43:23,030
why no bump outs at Broadway? To help with turning movements for vehicles and

493
00:43:23,030 --> 00:43:25,070
the additional lanes there. Thank you.

494
00:43:28,460 --> 00:43:30,580
So kind of as we keep going through this

495
00:43:30,580 --> 00:43:35,180
area, we've got more pockets of sidewalk, repair happening, and then the bump

496
00:43:35,180 --> 00:43:41,360
bolts at the corners, taper in to remove that parking as you get close to the

497
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:41,800
intersections.

498
00:43:44,490 --> 00:43:46,910
I think I might have missed it but eight street does have an

499
00:43:46,910 --> 00:43:52,630
existing R or a fee. Flasher that will be salvaged and reinstalled, bus stop will

500
00:43:52,630 --> 00:43:57,030
be replaced in front of the college, keep going,

501
00:44:01,340 --> 00:44:04,660
you might be. So 408 main, we're

502
00:44:04,660 --> 00:44:11,340
proposing to remove an existing driveway. It does not currently go beyond the

503
00:44:11,340 --> 00:44:15,720
sidewalk so we don't want people parking a car over the sidewalks. That one's

504
00:44:15,720 --> 00:44:21,800
being proposed for removal. So excuse me, as you're going down main is this

505
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:28,340
going to be parking on both sides and then the painted bike lane? Yep, okay.

506
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:33,120
Yep, parking both sides painted bike lanes on both sides and 11 foot through lanes.

507
00:44:34,740 --> 00:44:38,920
Our next driver removal is here at the college. We've been coordinating with them.

508
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:45,800
they kind of move their entrance on the side road, but they seem like they're on board

509
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:50,940
closing that access point on 43. In green here, this is probably something to explain

510
00:44:50,940 --> 00:44:53,460
or access point to that parking lot. Yep.

511
00:44:55,510 --> 00:44:57,090
In green we've got...

512
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:20,040
Coordinated with min dot and with dot, yep, to improve rail crossings throughout both states and I think Illinois as well. So this will happen before our project. That railroad crossing is in really poor conditions, so that will be replaced pavement, mediums replaced as well, and then we will tie into that with our project.

513
00:45:22,610 --> 00:45:31,670
Keep going. Now we're along Sarnia. Now you're going to need to zoom out and find the other inset lower below and go to the far left.

514
00:45:31,670 --> 00:45:32,090
I think.

515
00:45:37,780 --> 00:45:40,400
Seen back into that large rectangle on the bottom,

516
00:45:43,700 --> 00:45:44,760
other way.

517
00:45:49,430 --> 00:45:50,090
Alright, so here

518
00:45:50,090 --> 00:45:58,990
we're on Sarnia. A lot of the same bump outs where we can, driveway replacements to improve

519
00:45:58,990 --> 00:46:01,070
our sidewalk, keep moving,

520
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:11,760
much to highlight in this area. Same typical section parking

521
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:14,840
on both sides, high foot bike lane, 11 foot lanes.

522
00:46:18,020 --> 00:46:19,860
We get to Franklin, I think there it is.

523
00:46:19,860 --> 00:46:26,080
so Franklin has an existing signal. We are doing minor upgrades to it only. We're

524
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:33,450
gonna move a pole in the northeast corner, just to get it out of the path of

525
00:46:33,450 --> 00:46:37,910
trucks. It seems to be very close and the curb gets run over there so we're gonna do

526
00:46:37,910 --> 00:46:44,200
a little bit of improvements for truck turning at that corner and adding a

527
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:49,160
dedicated left turn lane to Franklin Street. Otherwise, there's the sidewalk on

528
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:51,860
the park on the south side. It's being added.

529
00:46:57,440 --> 00:46:59,340
Here you can see the bump outs with the yellow.

530
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:06,940
You guys recently installed an RFB crossing here at the bus stop. We are going to salvage and

531
00:47:06,940 --> 00:47:15,910
reinstall that and then add bump outs for it. So that will be new. Basically just the same section

532
00:47:15,910 --> 00:47:19,990
to where we tie into Mendes previous project for the roundabout and then Keto.

533
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:25,300
Another bump out

534
00:47:25,300 --> 00:47:26,560
in the trial across the park.

535
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:36,060
Okay.

536
00:47:37,220 --> 00:47:37,760
With the amp?

537
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:40,700
Are you all done with the slides and everything?

538
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:43,800
Great. I will close the public hearing.

539
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:47,120
Mr. Mayor, move to the council or receive the file of the report.

540
00:47:48,740 --> 00:47:51,480
Second motion from Steve, second from George.

541
00:47:52,780 --> 00:47:53,820
Who wants to talk about this?

542
00:47:54,420 --> 00:47:54,660
Sam.

543
00:47:55,980 --> 00:47:59,140
I'm very interested to see the Bicolance of Minnesota's

544
00:47:59,140 --> 00:48:01,900
formal letter and their proposed changes to this.

545
00:48:01,900 --> 00:48:07,060
I think this is a great opportunity for the city of one owner to receive some significantly

546
00:48:07,060 --> 00:48:12,560
improved bike infrastructure that I don't need to tell very many of you how bad our current

547
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:13,880
bike infrastructure is.

548
00:48:15,660 --> 00:48:20,560
This seems like it's an amazing opportunity where we could make some common sense changes

549
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:25,340
and we could make our roads safer for an entire user group.

550
00:48:25,340 --> 00:48:33,540
I don't need to remind anyone that we did have a cyclist fatality last summer on Broadway.

551
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:36,420
Thanks, Sam.

552
00:48:37,180 --> 00:48:37,300
Jeff.

553
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:38,360
And that's he.

554
00:48:39,500 --> 00:48:43,060
So, is the purpose of this to ask them questions in regards to this?

555
00:48:43,060 --> 00:48:44,160
How is this okay?

556
00:48:44,540 --> 00:48:45,840
You got Minda in front of you.

557
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:46,820
It's okay, great.

558
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:51,500
So, I went to the November meeting that you guys held here with all the drawings.

559
00:48:51,700 --> 00:48:55,280
And I spoke to several of your representatives, perhaps it was even you, maybe not.

560
00:48:55,280 --> 00:49:04,320
I brought up a couple of things and there's another additional. So, in putting in the sidewalk on the south side of Sarnia,

561
00:49:05,020 --> 00:49:11,020
for me going and looking at it, there are substantial number of trees that are going to have to be removed.

562
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:15,520
Do you have an idea as to how many?

563
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:23,040
we're still assessing that currently we I will say this we're trying to save as

564
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:28,440
many as we can. You don't wish to remove trees that don't need to be removed.

565
00:49:29,100 --> 00:49:34,960
They're probably about a handful that are questionable. The root zone in

566
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:43,160
relation to that sidewalk is a bit tight and I would say that we're still

567
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:50,700
assessing the actual number of trees but I think current count along the

568
00:49:50,700 --> 00:49:56,460
south side of Sarnia I want to say we're probably about five or six trees but

569
00:49:56,460 --> 00:50:00,940
again that's still being assessed. Okay that's substantial because of the comments

570
00:50:00,940 --> 00:50:04,300
that I heard and that's what I passed on to you and at that point in time from

571
00:50:04,300 --> 00:50:08,580
the situation that I received there was a lot of interest in not losing those

572
00:50:08,580 --> 00:50:12,080
trees and that and actually the city has invested the money in planning the

573
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:17,960
trees and caring for them. So it's a loss all the way around both aesthetically and financially.

574
00:50:20,580 --> 00:50:26,920
I think the concern, obviously, that has been stated in regards to the bike lane is a very serious one.

575
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:37,120
I think it's something that we know about in Winona. For example, if you look at Huff Street, for example, that goes along the other side of the university,

576
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:42,840
you'll note that the city has eliminated parking on that street, and those are just bike lanes now.

577
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:51,520
Specifically, to get rid of this problem of cars, stripes, and too much traffic and congestion, which led to dangerous situations.

578
00:50:52,180 --> 00:51:00,820
So you're going to duplicate the exact thing that we eliminated on Main Street as to what we eliminated on Huff Street.

579
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:09,720
It's not a good mix when you have a ton of college students who are distracted.

580
00:51:10,300 --> 00:51:10,860
Let's put it aside.

581
00:51:11,340 --> 00:51:18,100
You know, looking at phones, thinking about classes, whatever, two solid lines because

582
00:51:18,100 --> 00:51:24,560
when classes in session, you can't find a parking space on Main Street and then add bikes

583
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:25,060
into it.

584
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:29,620
And those are cars that come and go as classes let out and don't, there's a lot of doors

585
00:51:29,620 --> 00:51:34,860
it get opened? It just seems like a disaster waiting to happen. So why would we duplicate

586
00:51:34,860 --> 00:51:43,180
that? So I'll answer the question this way. Much of the project, especially along

587
00:51:43,180 --> 00:51:51,280
Sarnia, we actually have the situation where we have parking and there are marked bike lanes

588
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:58,620
there today. So we're proposing to perpetuate that condition and try to make that a little

589
00:51:58,620 --> 00:52:05,640
safer. If there are other things like you mentioned the other example where there's

590
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:12,340
no parking, we would defer completely to the city if you wanted to eliminate parking

591
00:52:12,340 --> 00:52:21,240
along certain stretches of Main Street or that's not we would be burning a perk so that's

592
00:52:21,240 --> 00:52:26,960
not going to be a popular notion not to be and so what would be easier I think is what

593
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:31,360
what has been suggested is the elimination of the bike lanes pretending that this is safe.

594
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:36,280
I mean, the parking will not going to get rid of, that's not possible.

595
00:52:36,740 --> 00:52:40,680
So, I would consider that, you know, I understand you guys are working under design

596
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:42,800
standards and it says if it's this, it's going to be that.

597
00:52:43,180 --> 00:52:47,540
But I think, you know, to make this work, because ideally, in my mind, I'm just going

598
00:52:47,540 --> 00:52:52,200
to say this once publicly and then I won't belabor it anymore because this is the other

599
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:56,480
comment that I've received, it makes no sense that we're doing this right through the

600
00:52:56,480 --> 00:53:02,120
center of town. It would be much better if it went on 61 down to Pelsar around and you

601
00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:07,680
eliminate all of these headaches. So, but I understand that's not possible. That

602
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:12,420
isn't going to get done. We're not going to change that at this point. But I had to mention it.

603
00:53:12,740 --> 00:53:21,110
So, let's go to Sarnia now. So, if we're going to put in this sidewalk on the south side and we're

604
00:53:21,110 --> 00:53:27,570
going to potentially damage these trees, wouldn't it make sense to make that a dedicated

605
00:53:27,570 --> 00:53:35,210
separate bike lane and then take the stripes off the streets and make a safer situation?

606
00:53:36,090 --> 00:53:42,450
So I think in order to make that completely separated bike path, we would have to make it

607
00:53:42,450 --> 00:53:46,930
even lighter than what we're proposing, which would damage more trees.

608
00:53:46,930 --> 00:53:51,190
Because you're proposing, I'm sorry, you're proposing it's, it's going to be eight feet now.

609
00:53:52,230 --> 00:53:58,590
It's eight feet, which for, if five feet of it is essentially usable for pedestrians,

610
00:53:58,590 --> 00:54:06,710
when you subtract away the three foot off your zone from the curb line, what's the paved section?

611
00:54:06,910 --> 00:54:10,830
It's eight feet, but three feet we don't really consider as usable.

612
00:54:11,270 --> 00:54:14,670
What's, Brian, what's the bike path around the lake?

613
00:54:16,590 --> 00:54:30,470
Yeah, our typical standards for a shared use path would be I believe 10 to 12 feet is what we typically proposed so that we have two way traffic possible on that.

614
00:54:30,770 --> 00:54:35,530
So my sense is that in order to do that, it would have to get wider.

615
00:54:36,790 --> 00:54:43,670
The other piece that would be a little bit complicated there too is additional right of way needs from the part.

616
00:54:43,670 --> 00:54:48,690
So, that park was established and purchased, I believe, with something that's called Law

617
00:54:48,690 --> 00:54:49,390
Conquans.

618
00:54:50,190 --> 00:54:52,850
That's administered by the Department of Interior.

619
00:54:53,970 --> 00:55:02,830
And if we have any real right-of-way acquisitions through that area, we have to work through a specific process,

620
00:55:03,090 --> 00:55:11,230
called the 6F process, the federal government, to ensure that they're okay with that conversion

621
00:55:11,990 --> 00:55:14,430
to a different use other than Parkland.

622
00:55:17,430 --> 00:55:19,150
Okay, that didn't make any sense at all.

623
00:55:19,330 --> 00:55:23,390
But I don't want to say as there would be

624
00:55:23,390 --> 00:55:25,450
in addition to the additional width,

625
00:55:26,150 --> 00:55:29,390
which could damage additional trees,

626
00:55:29,630 --> 00:55:30,870
or it would be additional right away needs

627
00:55:30,870 --> 00:55:35,330
that would trigger some other regulatory

628
00:55:35,330 --> 00:55:37,210
loopholes that we'd have to get through.

629
00:55:37,650 --> 00:55:39,950
Okay, loopholes can be gotten through.

630
00:55:40,230 --> 00:55:41,590
They can, but they're lengthy.

631
00:55:41,590 --> 00:55:48,450
And as anything with the federal government for sure, it would seem like we have an opportunity

632
00:55:48,450 --> 00:55:50,990
here to improve things.

633
00:55:51,410 --> 00:55:55,390
And it seems like the design, although it does make improvements without a question,

634
00:55:55,890 --> 00:56:00,150
for many aspects, including especially pedestrian, seems to be a really strong focus,

635
00:56:00,190 --> 00:56:01,530
which I really appreciate.

636
00:56:02,170 --> 00:56:08,750
I think the bike thing is something that we're either going to, it seems like it would be

637
00:56:08,750 --> 00:56:14,810
better to forget it and not paint the lines, that would actually be safer than painting

638
00:56:14,810 --> 00:56:18,610
something and shrinking it and making it unsafe.

639
00:56:19,190 --> 00:56:23,930
I mean, I think we need to think out of the box here, if it's not too, you know, if

640
00:56:23,930 --> 00:56:28,110
we're going to say we can't make it wide enough and there's too much bureaucracy to make

641
00:56:28,110 --> 00:56:32,030
a separate bike lane, I don't necessarily agree with that, I don't necessarily believe

642
00:56:32,030 --> 00:56:38,610
that, but at the same time, then we, I think based on what the testimony has said, and

643
00:56:38,610 --> 00:56:42,590
I look forward to, again, people that know more about the details of this than me, it

644
00:56:42,590 --> 00:56:46,690
would seem like we do have an opportunity if we can't make it better, to not make it

645
00:56:46,690 --> 00:56:52,010
worse. So I would like to hear more conversation around.

646
00:56:52,230 --> 00:56:52,350
Sure.

647
00:56:52,910 --> 00:56:59,610
If I could respond to that specifically, the notion of eliminating the painted bike lane.

648
00:57:00,670 --> 00:57:06,710
So Minda, in this case, we would defer to the city to make that call.

649
00:57:06,710 --> 00:57:12,150
Well if that's something that the city doesn't want, you know, that's something that the

650
00:57:12,990 --> 00:57:18,950
city can express in writing to us as a condition for approval here.

651
00:57:20,190 --> 00:57:25,610
We wouldn't necessarily support it ourselves, but if the community feels otherwise, I think

652
00:57:25,610 --> 00:57:26,610
we would respect that.

653
00:57:27,890 --> 00:57:31,230
But I do have a couple of comments to make about that.

654
00:57:31,230 --> 00:57:37,150
But if that were eliminated, there were no painted line there, no painted bike path.

655
00:57:37,950 --> 00:57:44,830
That space, it would remain, it would result in a very wide through lane, which would then

656
00:57:44,830 --> 00:57:47,070
encourage higher vehicle speeds potentially.

657
00:57:48,370 --> 00:57:54,930
That could impact both bicyclists who are now sharing that lane, and again, if we take the

658
00:57:55,450 --> 00:58:00,450
painted markings there, that doesn't necessarily prohibit bicyclists from using that.

659
00:58:00,450 --> 00:58:07,130
they're still legally allowed to bike on the road and so there would not be an

660
00:58:07,130 --> 00:58:12,990
advantage of having a marked facility there they would call attention for the

661
00:58:12,990 --> 00:58:18,430
driver to know that there is actually a marked bike path there so I would

662
00:58:18,430 --> 00:58:21,270
offer that for your consideration.

663
00:58:23,410 --> 00:58:26,090
Higher vehicle speeds that could result would

664
00:58:26,090 --> 00:58:31,930
also be counter to men dots overall efforts here with safe system efforts.

665
00:58:33,310 --> 00:58:38,710
We know that reducing vehicle speeds requires multiple interventions, so it's not just

666
00:58:38,710 --> 00:58:46,070
a one magic bullet before that, so curb extensions or bike lanes alone won't reduce speeds

667
00:58:46,070 --> 00:58:48,810
that much, but together they could have a bigger impact.

668
00:58:52,290 --> 00:58:54,070
Of course, that's what I have to say about that.

669
00:58:54,290 --> 00:58:56,650
Okay, I appreciate that, and I mean it's a good point.

670
00:58:56,650 --> 00:59:01,010
I'm just trying to think about the box here, because this is our point, this is our chance to discuss it.

671
00:59:01,450 --> 00:59:12,190
I'm sorry, I'm not trying to monopolize this, but if you were to eliminate parking on one side, would that change what you could do, you know, for bike lanes and what have you?

672
00:59:12,230 --> 00:59:24,130
Because on Sarnia, unlike Main Street, it's not often that that is fully locked in, other than if there's a softball tournament.

673
00:59:24,130 --> 00:59:28,050
So I think that would take a little bit more study.

674
00:59:28,210 --> 00:59:30,850
It's hard for me to answer that there could be some advantages.

675
00:59:32,750 --> 00:59:35,650
There are also some things that would concern me too,

676
00:59:36,330 --> 00:59:40,210
I think your proposal would be maybe shifting lanes over to one side.

677
00:59:41,470 --> 00:59:42,590
I'm open to suggestions.

678
00:59:42,770 --> 00:59:47,530
Yeah, I think that might complicate some of the turn movements.

679
00:59:48,430 --> 00:59:52,930
Off of Highway 43 onto the side streets if we're pushing them closer.

680
00:59:53,910 --> 00:59:56,830
things are pretty tight as they are, we are.

681
01:00:00,180 --> 01:00:30,160
I'm sure that turning movements are still preserved for larger vehicles. So I would be concerned about that without having drawn it up. It's hard to say whether that would be workable or not. Okay. And lastly, I promise. So you're going to redo this. You're going to in this process, you're talking about putting in a new sidewalk on the south side, redoing the sidewalk on the north side of Sarnia. Is there any way that you could do one way by claim?

682
01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:37,060
So that you didn't need as much girth or width on the sidewall or on the separated side.

683
01:00:37,060 --> 01:00:39,420
So one goes one way, one goes the other way.

684
01:00:42,720 --> 01:00:53,960
I think on the north side where there's already sidewalk widening that out is going to be fairly impactful to residents.

685
01:00:54,580 --> 01:00:58,080
There's not a lot of room on the boulevard side.

686
01:00:58,080 --> 01:01:04,180
And we've got concerns with trees and people's yards.

687
01:01:05,020 --> 01:01:12,240
And so expanding it to the residents side, you know, we're looking at probably impacts

688
01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:13,600
to over 100 persons.

689
01:01:14,260 --> 01:01:14,620
Okay.

690
01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:16,200
So that's problematic.

691
01:01:16,620 --> 01:01:16,860
I understand.

692
01:01:17,640 --> 01:01:17,900
Okay.

693
01:01:18,100 --> 01:01:18,800
I appreciate it.

694
01:01:18,860 --> 01:01:19,580
Thank you for your patience.

695
01:01:19,600 --> 01:01:20,400
You're most welcome.

696
01:01:20,860 --> 01:01:21,040
Steve.

697
01:01:22,020 --> 01:01:22,600
Back.

698
01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:23,700
I'm going to make it real quick.

699
01:01:23,820 --> 01:01:24,800
That's just one question.

700
01:01:24,800 --> 01:01:30,060
corner of Main Street in Sarnia. I drive that frequently. Actually I drive this

701
01:01:30,060 --> 01:01:33,680
whole system frequently. That seems to be the pain point for especially large

702
01:01:33,680 --> 01:01:39,020
trucks turning at that point. I'm trying to look carefully. I get this tiny little

703
01:01:39,020 --> 01:01:44,000
diagram here. So are we taking steps to try to make that more truck friendly? I

704
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:49,400
don't drive truck. But I'm waiting for them and I'm watching their their

705
01:01:49,400 --> 01:01:54,040
challenges. They have getting around there to consider around about what are

706
01:01:54,040 --> 01:01:55,800
What do we do to make sure that flow is a little faster?

707
01:01:57,080 --> 01:01:58,740
I think when I asked Abby to address that,

708
01:01:58,900 --> 01:02:01,640
is Abby's been intimately involved with the design?

709
01:02:06,970 --> 01:02:08,830
Yes, that corner is problematic.

710
01:02:09,330 --> 01:02:09,470
Yeah.

711
01:02:09,770 --> 01:02:10,450
So it's here.

712
01:02:12,590 --> 01:02:14,350
Sorry, my directions are really bad with this layout.

713
01:02:14,610 --> 01:02:17,370
But your westbound northbound movement, that right turn.

714
01:02:18,470 --> 01:02:21,730
So we are putting in a compound curve there for the radius.

715
01:02:21,970 --> 01:02:22,830
So it's like two curves.

716
01:02:23,030 --> 01:02:27,950
So it's a sharper one to kind of keep them bumped out where they need to be.

717
01:02:27,950 --> 01:02:33,990
So they're turning wide and then it's a flatter curve to give them more space to track their trailer and

718
01:02:34,570 --> 01:02:40,850
Stay within the lane. So we've run our our turn movements and it fits when it doesn't encroach on the other lanes of traffic

719
01:02:40,850 --> 01:02:41,210
so

720
01:02:41,810 --> 01:02:43,670
That's kind of our solution for that corner

721
01:02:44,370 --> 01:02:48,790
Glad to hear you paying attention to it. I'll be I'll be watching so much rock forever's daughter

722
01:02:48,790 --> 01:02:55,930
So I arrived there. You go that house was for sale there could have thought that tore that down

723
01:02:55,930 --> 01:02:57,750
and we did get that message to you.

724
01:02:58,610 --> 01:02:59,550
Yes, for that house, huh?

725
01:03:00,690 --> 01:03:05,010
We had asked, we had gone a message to MinDOT

726
01:03:05,010 --> 01:03:07,890
through a couple different methods to purchase that house

727
01:03:08,630 --> 01:03:13,750
and make that much simpler to make that turn there.

728
01:03:13,970 --> 01:03:16,290
But we'll believe that she'll do well

729
01:03:16,290 --> 01:03:18,330
with the space that you have there.

730
01:03:19,490 --> 01:03:19,890
So thank you.

731
01:03:20,630 --> 01:03:21,130
Thanks, Steve.

732
01:03:21,730 --> 01:03:22,690
Sam, with an end to room.

733
01:03:23,950 --> 01:03:30,030
Not to reopen everything that Councillor Hyma had discussed, but let's get back in to

734
01:03:30,030 --> 01:03:34,590
it a little bit. If I was understanding you right, you were saying that we couldn't

735
01:03:34,590 --> 01:03:41,110
have a bike lane on the north side of Sarnia, because it wouldn't be widened up allowing

736
01:03:41,110 --> 01:03:45,210
for that three feet buffer and the five feet of pedestrian use.

737
01:03:46,490 --> 01:03:54,390
I don't know if I said we couldn't. I think that if we were looking at a wider path

738
01:03:54,390 --> 01:04:02,210
there on the north side, south side. The park side. Yeah, park side.

739
01:04:04,290 --> 01:04:05,570
There would likely

740
01:04:05,570 --> 01:04:07,110
be more tree impacts.

741
01:04:09,910 --> 01:04:15,890
Anything outside of current Mind Out right away, we would need

742
01:04:15,890 --> 01:04:23,710
additional real estate from the park. Once we need more real estate from the park, that

743
01:04:23,710 --> 01:04:31,430
automatically triggers some other federal regulations known as six-off. And so there

744
01:04:31,430 --> 01:04:39,230
would be, let's say we can't do it, I think there would be some additional regulatory

745
01:04:39,230 --> 01:04:45,330
hurdles that we would have to work through that are not quick to get through.

746
01:04:47,670 --> 01:04:55,230
Time is of the essence on this project to a, is a matter of logistics here.

747
01:04:55,430 --> 01:04:58,870
So our funding for this project is for fiscal year 28.

748
01:04:58,870 --> 01:05:07,310
If we don't deliver a project in fiscal year 28, the funding that's attached to the project

749
01:05:08,190 --> 01:05:10,110
is no longer attached to it.

750
01:05:11,230 --> 01:05:17,170
It goes back into our general fund and whatever project that we are envisioning

751
01:05:18,150 --> 01:05:21,670
it gets moved back would have to compete for funding it again then.

752
01:05:21,670 --> 01:05:26,290
And I can't guarantee you that it could be built next year.

753
01:05:26,750 --> 01:05:29,450
It may be deferred a number of years.

754
01:05:29,850 --> 01:05:32,870
So side-stepping the property acquisition piece

755
01:05:32,870 --> 01:05:34,810
that you're telling me would be very difficult.

756
01:05:35,510 --> 01:05:38,910
I'm still struggling to see how an eight-foot sidewalk

757
01:05:38,910 --> 01:05:41,750
wouldn't be enough for pedestrian and cyclists.

758
01:05:41,750 --> 01:05:44,050
And I would encourage us to think creatively

759
01:05:44,050 --> 01:05:46,590
about how we can make that work.

760
01:05:48,290 --> 01:05:53,670
If Lake Path is nine feet, this is one foot narrower.

761
01:05:55,250 --> 01:05:59,830
And even if we say it's not a cyclist path,

762
01:06:00,430 --> 01:06:02,330
we'll let you know right now, bikes are going to be on it.

763
01:06:02,770 --> 01:06:04,270
We might as well just plan for them.

764
01:06:04,750 --> 01:06:06,970
We might as well give them a place to be.

765
01:06:07,290 --> 01:06:10,930
We have these discussions all the time about we need to have

766
01:06:10,930 --> 01:06:14,570
create a place for folk to be so they can be safe.

767
01:06:14,570 --> 01:06:22,950
this is that place. I really encourage looking at designing Sarnia specifically to

768
01:06:22,950 --> 01:06:28,250
have a protected bike lane that is raised and at the pedestrian sidewalk level,

769
01:06:28,470 --> 01:06:34,310
aside not at the street level. For main street, so that was another

770
01:06:34,310 --> 01:06:39,370
piece that you had talked about and how we could remove parking but likely

771
01:06:39,370 --> 01:06:40,610
really aren't going to.

772
01:06:42,730 --> 01:06:49,470
Could we widen the sidewalks on each side of Main Street to create

773
01:06:49,470 --> 01:06:52,770
more space for pedestrians and cyclists?

774
01:06:52,990 --> 01:06:56,830
Again, I think there would take some additional investigation to see what those impacts are.

775
01:06:57,050 --> 01:06:58,470
I don't.

776
01:06:58,470 --> 01:07:01,470
On the top of my head, I don't know what that would mean.

777
01:07:01,470 --> 01:07:02,270
Okay.

778
01:07:07,120 --> 01:07:14,960
All right, really my big takeaway that I would like you to have is that I would encourage

779
01:07:16,300 --> 01:07:21,460
looking at more space for cyclists that was the overwhelming community consensus.

780
01:07:21,980 --> 01:07:25,700
That is what I will be looking for as a councillor.

781
01:07:27,320 --> 01:07:28,180
Thank you.

782
01:07:29,590 --> 01:07:38,850
Yeah, I'd like to shift the attention from bicycles to semis.

783
01:07:42,020 --> 01:07:57,140
First off, I am still waiting to hear a reason other than paperwork and politics why we

784
01:07:57,140 --> 01:08:09,600
We can't reroute truck traffic to Pelsar and up Riverview and make get 60 foot tractor

785
01:08:09,600 --> 01:08:16,480
trailers out of downtown La Nona and down Main Street and out of the center of town.

786
01:08:17,600 --> 01:08:25,060
To me, this is a political rather than a physical structural issue and should be addressed

787
01:08:25,060 --> 01:08:34,700
it's such and shouldn't be an impediment to making that happen. Second, I really appreciate

788
01:08:34,700 --> 01:08:43,880
Ted's observations and would like to bring them his observation, particularly regarding

789
01:08:43,880 --> 01:08:55,930
the narrow truck lanes on Sarnia. We're going to squish not just bicyclists, but big trucks

790
01:08:55,930 --> 01:09:06,530
because we're trying to squeeze things, how does that work? Can you speak to

791
01:09:06,530 --> 01:09:14,130
that? Are you doing those lanes? I think there is a feeling that we're

792
01:09:14,130 --> 01:09:20,390
squishing things down and understand that level of questions to me.

793
01:09:20,390 --> 01:09:27,370
11 foot lanes are used quite frequently in urban areas. I think Mr. Wochek even mentioned

794
01:09:27,370 --> 01:09:34,390
on I-94 we've got 11 foot lanes. 11 foot lanes many years ago was the standard. We have

795
01:09:34,390 --> 01:09:40,130
not found any operational difficulties with 11 foot lanes. The reason for the 11 foot lanes

796
01:09:40,130 --> 01:09:49,290
again is space allocation on much of the corridor to allocate room for all users, whether it

797
01:09:49,290 --> 01:09:55,170
be motorized traffic, being trucks, parking, or bicycles with the biking lanes.

798
01:09:58,250 --> 01:10:04,350
I'm concerned we're trying to do too many things with too little space.

799
01:10:05,750 --> 01:10:13,710
And I think that that's the other thing is the 5th street lack of a signal on 5th street.

800
01:10:15,210 --> 01:10:26,290
I've been using that intersection for 50 years, and it's enough, traffic backs up there

801
01:10:26,890 --> 01:10:27,910
as it is.

802
01:10:29,850 --> 01:10:41,330
I wouldn't want to, I think, the observation that without a stop signal on Main Street

803
01:10:41,330 --> 01:10:50,220
at that intersection we're going to have some creating a hazard situation. People are

804
01:10:50,220 --> 01:11:01,080
going to get frustrated and pop across the street. What's your studying? How do you,

805
01:11:02,320 --> 01:11:11,500
what's the rationale for changing that? Yeah, so I'll do my best to explain that. So there

806
01:11:11,500 --> 01:11:16,280
There was a study that was conducted called an intersection control evaluation ice report.

807
01:11:17,320 --> 01:11:21,340
It looks at these particular intersections that being forestry, tiff street, and Broadway

808
01:11:21,340 --> 01:11:28,850
in particular noting this project and what is the appropriate traffic control device there.

809
01:11:29,750 --> 01:11:38,730
It was found that at forestry and tiff street, the actual warrants for a signal were not met.

810
01:11:40,450 --> 01:11:41,670
What would they be?

811
01:11:42,630 --> 01:11:46,330
I believe some of the warrants have to do it hourly volumes.

812
01:11:47,470 --> 01:11:51,850
Again, I wasn't intimately involved in that study,

813
01:11:52,090 --> 01:11:53,690
so I'm going off a memory here.

814
01:11:54,650 --> 01:11:57,630
And we can furnish that study as well if necessary.

815
01:11:59,430 --> 01:12:02,910
So warrants were not met at Forest Street or Fifth Street.

816
01:12:03,190 --> 01:12:07,170
It was found that the appropriate and most efficient way

817
01:12:07,170 --> 01:12:15,350
of managing traffic through the corridor with minimal delay on Highway 43 would be looking at an

818
01:12:15,350 --> 01:12:24,250
always stop at 4th and main and then side street stop control as you may have noted at 5th

819
01:12:24,250 --> 01:12:33,950
street. We also recently conducted a gap analysis so that looks at gaps between traffic from 4th

820
01:12:33,950 --> 01:12:40,250
street to fifth street to specifically identify whether there are gaps specifically for pedestrians

821
01:12:40,250 --> 01:12:49,190
to cross there as well as vehicles crossing there. I believe what we found is there are more

822
01:12:49,190 --> 01:12:55,110
than enough sufficient gaps for those movements to happen without any deleterious effects.

823
01:12:55,110 --> 01:13:04,130
In addition, we're also looking at adding rectangular flashing beacon at fifth street to help

824
01:13:04,130 --> 01:13:07,090
with some of the pedestrian crossings here.

825
01:13:07,210 --> 01:13:10,710
We know that there's a fair amount of pedestrian demand there too.

826
01:13:11,830 --> 01:13:21,370
So I think the conclusions of the intersection control evaluation found that those areas were found

827
01:13:21,370 --> 01:13:25,170
Now that the signals were not warranted and the most efficient means of managing traffic

828
01:13:25,170 --> 01:13:27,850
were the stock control conditions that I mentioned.

829
01:13:31,270 --> 01:13:36,390
I don't see here any consideration there that the fact that there's a performing arts

830
01:13:36,390 --> 01:13:41,830
center on the corner of Fifth and Main, the post office of the corner of Fifth and Main,

831
01:13:42,570 --> 01:13:49,390
I have a major apartment complex at Fifth and Main and a bank at Fifth and Main, all of

832
01:13:49,390 --> 01:14:01,910
which generate not only vehicular but pedestrian traffic and with no pedestrian crossing control there, you're creating a hazard.

833
01:14:03,050 --> 01:14:05,930
And I don't care how many times you bump out the curbs.

834
01:14:06,510 --> 01:14:16,050
Once you step off the curb into an uncontrolled traffic flow, you've created a serious hazard, particularly at times

835
01:14:16,050 --> 01:14:22,930
when we're going to have people coming and going for performances at the at the center and

836
01:14:22,930 --> 01:14:32,380
and and and other but just during the day. Yeah I think I'm not I think that that's

837
01:14:32,380 --> 01:14:40,100
creating an unnecessarily hazardous situation. So I think to speak to that that's why we're

838
01:14:40,100 --> 01:14:42,860
adding the RRFB in the flashing beacon there.

839
01:14:43,720 --> 01:14:45,860
But that's not going to stop traffic, sir.

840
01:14:48,760 --> 01:14:50,740
But it should when they're crossing.

841
01:14:51,160 --> 01:14:52,500
It's not a red light.

842
01:14:53,960 --> 01:14:54,200
OK.

843
01:14:55,300 --> 01:14:57,100
We've also factored in.

844
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:29,980
We're not only currently using it, but projected to use it 20 years into the future. And we've also, as of last fall, took some more recent additional counts, both pedestrian and behavior counts there. So those have all been factored into our decision regarding that signal system there. It's been well vetted amongst our traffic engineers and they feel pretty confident that we're proposing there.

845
01:15:29,980 --> 01:15:39,100
is safe. Have they stood on the corner and tried to get across Main Street when it's busy?

846
01:15:39,900 --> 01:15:44,920
I can't speak for a traffic engineer. I know they are. I can speak for the folks in

847
01:15:44,920 --> 01:15:45,900
Winona LaV.

848
01:15:50,500 --> 01:15:50,680
Jerome?

849
01:15:51,100 --> 01:16:00,360
Or Jeff, sorry. In looking at that intersection, I don't know how you would do this but there are two

850
01:16:00,360 --> 01:16:04,600
significant developments that are going to be coming online there. One, you have a whole new

851
01:16:04,600 --> 01:16:10,860
apartment complex with over 100 units, a block away, and obviously the performing arts center

852
01:16:10,860 --> 01:16:16,220
coming on that I think, you know, it's going to impact that. Is there a way that you can, you say

853
01:16:16,220 --> 01:16:21,240
you cast forward 20 years, is there a way that, you know, that you have a, yeah, those that, those

854
01:16:21,240 --> 01:16:26,920
volumes are accounted for in our analysis. There is typically what happens with the development.

855
01:16:26,920 --> 01:16:35,480
There's some guidelines usually produced by the Institute of Traffic Engineers that estimate

856
01:16:35,480 --> 01:16:40,040
the number of vehicles coming and going from a certain size of development.

857
01:16:41,080 --> 01:16:47,020
So we use that as a baseline estimate to add to our traffic health and then we factor

858
01:16:47,020 --> 01:16:50,600
that up to account for growth and traffic over time.

859
01:16:51,720 --> 01:16:51,820
Okay.

860
01:16:52,120 --> 01:16:52,360
Thank you.

861
01:16:54,420 --> 01:16:55,160
Any other comments?

862
01:16:58,080 --> 01:17:08,060
I'll email you mine all right all right hearing no other discussion all those in favor say aye aye opposed

863
01:17:08,860 --> 01:17:10,660
motion passes for

864
01:17:13,320 --> 01:17:16,140
the remainder of this meeting residents are only allowed to speak if they've

865
01:17:16,140 --> 01:17:23,060
a request before the council and ever recognize you to speak we are gonna go ahead if we're gonna

866
01:17:23,060 --> 01:17:28,940
move item 4.4 up to the front of petitions requesting communications so that we can move some people

867
01:17:28,940 --> 01:17:34,840
on here. Under unfinished business being moved 4.4 is the boat club lease agreement.

868
01:17:35,240 --> 01:17:40,640
The council further request. Second. Motion from Steve, second from Sam, any discussion?

869
01:17:42,810 --> 01:17:45,890
Hearing none, all those in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed?

870
01:17:46,430 --> 01:17:49,610
Eps and one abstention.

871
01:17:52,630 --> 01:17:57,310
Thank you gentlemen for hanging out. Appreciate it. Thanks for being here.

872
01:17:58,090 --> 01:18:04,630
Under predictions, requesting communications, item 3.1 is the appointment to the John Latch Memorial Parks and Recreation Commission.

873
01:18:04,910 --> 01:18:06,170
The Council confirmed the appointment.

874
01:18:07,010 --> 01:18:07,170
Second.

875
01:18:07,670 --> 01:18:10,030
Motion from Steve, second from Jerome, any discussion?

876
01:18:11,430 --> 01:18:13,710
Hearing none, all those in favor say aye.

877
01:18:14,130 --> 01:18:14,270
Aye.

878
01:18:14,810 --> 01:18:14,930
Opposed?

879
01:18:16,030 --> 01:18:16,490
Motion passes.

880
01:18:17,510 --> 01:18:20,330
Item 3.2 is an appointment to the Creative Commission.

881
01:18:20,910 --> 01:18:22,010
The Council confirmed the appointment.

882
01:18:22,250 --> 01:18:22,490
Second.

883
01:18:23,090 --> 01:18:25,530
Motion from Steve, second from Sam, any discussion?

884
01:18:27,650 --> 01:18:29,330
All those in favor say aye.

885
01:18:30,230 --> 01:18:30,750
Opposed?

886
01:18:31,590 --> 01:18:32,150
Motion passes.

887
01:18:33,210 --> 01:18:36,150
Item 3.3 is the board's and commission application announcement.

888
01:18:36,690 --> 01:18:38,910
Currently there is one opening on the board of the adjustment.

889
01:18:39,290 --> 01:18:42,310
One current opening and three terms of expiring on the citizens of

890
01:18:42,310 --> 01:18:43,470
Environmental Quality Committee.

891
01:18:43,990 --> 01:18:47,250
One position expiring and thus one potential seat on the age of a.

892
01:18:47,530 --> 01:18:50,610
One seat on the John Ledge Memorial Parks and Recreation Commission.

893
01:18:51,310 --> 01:18:54,330
One seat on the merit board and three seats expiring and thus three

894
01:18:54,330 --> 01:18:55,850
your potential seats on the planning commission.

895
01:18:56,190 --> 01:18:57,530
The council received a file report.

896
01:18:57,850 --> 01:18:58,010
Second.

897
01:18:58,910 --> 01:19:01,610
Motion from Steve's second from Sam, all those in favor.

898
01:19:01,950 --> 01:19:03,330
Oh, I'm sorry, any discussion?

899
01:19:04,410 --> 01:19:06,030
Hearing none, all those in favor?

900
01:19:06,310 --> 01:19:06,590
Say aye.

901
01:19:06,970 --> 01:19:07,230
Aye.

902
01:19:07,610 --> 01:19:07,770
Opposed?

903
01:19:08,890 --> 01:19:09,390
Motion passes.

904
01:19:10,350 --> 01:19:14,050
Item 3.4 is the Winona Senior High School Homecoming Parade

905
01:19:14,050 --> 01:19:15,810
Request for September 18th.

906
01:19:15,890 --> 01:19:16,830
With the council further request.

907
01:19:17,110 --> 01:19:17,290
Second.

908
01:19:17,750 --> 01:19:20,270
Motion from Steve's second from Sam, any discussion?

909
01:19:21,650 --> 01:19:23,630
Hearing none, all those in favor say aye.

910
01:19:23,630 --> 01:19:29,790
Aye. Aye. Aye. Opposed? Motion passes. Item 3.5 is a no parking request for

911
01:19:29,790 --> 01:19:34,350
Benedictine Open House event. The council further request. Second. Motion from Steve,

912
01:19:34,350 --> 01:19:41,190
second from Sam. Any discussion? Hearing none. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed?

913
01:19:42,210 --> 01:19:46,190
Motion passes. Item 3.6 is a flock camera official statement.

914
01:19:46,650 --> 01:19:51,530
The council received in the file of the report. Motion from Steve, I will take the

915
01:19:51,530 --> 01:19:52,390
second from George.

916
01:19:57,830 --> 01:20:00,230
Any discussion? Are we going to read the statement?

917
01:20:02,710 --> 01:20:05,030
We certainly can. I think we should. Okay.

918
01:20:10,280 --> 01:20:13,820
Mayor and council message from the Woodland Police Department, August 12,

919
01:20:15,460 --> 01:20:19,400
2026. Block cameras have been an effective and impactful resource for law

920
01:20:19,400 --> 01:20:23,400
enforcement. They have helped solve crimes, prevent harm, and protect

921
01:20:23,400 --> 01:20:27,040
individuals who have been victimized. Since their implementation the

922
01:20:27,040 --> 01:20:30,820
Woodland Police Department has utilized flat cameras in locating a homicide

923
01:20:30,820 --> 01:20:33,560
side suspect locating individuals in crisis,

924
01:20:34,260 --> 01:20:37,460
solving numerous cases involving hidden runs, stolen vehicles,

925
01:20:37,800 --> 01:20:38,420
and other offenses.

926
01:20:39,480 --> 01:20:42,620
Our department's use of flock has been guided by clear policies,

927
01:20:42,640 --> 01:20:44,880
appropriate training, and ongoing oversight.

928
01:20:45,460 --> 01:20:48,520
As with all our law enforcement practices,

929
01:20:49,380 --> 01:20:51,620
our use of flock is grounded in accountability,

930
01:20:52,860 --> 01:20:54,820
complies with state law, and is subject

931
01:20:54,820 --> 01:20:56,800
to applicable statutory audits.

932
01:20:57,260 --> 01:20:59,820
Importantly, we have had no instances of misuse.

933
01:20:59,820 --> 01:21:04,040
At the end of the day, however, our community's trust is the foundation of effective policing

934
01:21:04,620 --> 01:21:08,560
and we've looked and we've worked hard to build and maintain that trust.

935
01:21:09,020 --> 01:21:14,220
A flock has been a valuable tool we believe it's use has contributed to growing concerns

936
01:21:14,220 --> 01:21:17,860
about trust and policing both locally and across the state and nation.

937
01:21:18,280 --> 01:21:23,280
After careful consideration, the Winona PV has decided not to reinstall any flock cameras

938
01:21:23,280 --> 01:21:24,160
in the city of Winona.

939
01:21:24,720 --> 01:21:29,380
Our commitment is simple protecting our community while maintaining the trust that makes

940
01:21:29,380 --> 01:21:33,600
that work possible. Technology will continue to evolve and with those

941
01:21:33,600 --> 01:21:37,500
advancements will come both opportunities and challenges. It'll be important for

942
01:21:37,500 --> 01:21:41,680
law enforcement agencies and partnership with the communities they serve to have

943
01:21:41,680 --> 01:21:46,220
meaningful dialogue when it comes to future developments and decision making. We

944
01:21:46,220 --> 01:21:50,040
believe that starts with trust and we will continue to do our best to earn and

945
01:21:50,040 --> 01:21:52,800
preserve that on a police department and on Minnesota.

946
01:21:53,680 --> 01:21:57,600
Thank you, Jim. Any comments or questions or discussion?

947
01:22:04,600 --> 01:22:07,900
We've been talking about flock for a whole summer now.

948
01:22:09,060 --> 01:22:14,100
I want to say thank you to everyone who has reached out, emailed us, respectfully shared their thoughts.

949
01:22:15,900 --> 01:22:20,120
It's clear that this technology is not the right use for our community.

950
01:22:21,740 --> 01:22:24,680
I'm very thankful for the PD's statement

951
01:22:24,680 --> 01:22:30,200
and their reaffirmation that community trust is the most important part of their work.

952
01:22:30,700 --> 01:22:31,800
I agree with that.

953
01:22:37,080 --> 01:22:42,640
I think it's been made clear to us as a city that moving forward with any similar technologies

954
01:22:42,640 --> 01:22:45,320
is not in line with what our community wants.

955
01:22:50,750 --> 01:22:53,830
I'm really struggling to find my words which is unusual for me.

956
01:22:59,340 --> 01:23:05,900
More than anything I want to speak directly to the citizens of Winona in saying that you

957
01:23:05,900 --> 01:23:07,440
You made your voices clear.

958
01:23:08,040 --> 01:23:10,780
Some of you in more appropriate ways than others.

959
01:23:11,680 --> 01:23:16,940
And I would like to continue to encourage those appropriate ways to reach out to local

960
01:23:16,940 --> 01:23:17,520
leaders.

961
01:23:18,520 --> 01:23:22,600
Emailing us, coming to public comment, those are appropriate ways.

962
01:23:22,900 --> 01:23:32,570
Just trying public, destroying public goods is not something that any of us would condom.

963
01:23:32,570 --> 01:23:40,080
Please continue to reach out to us with your thoughts and your feelings so that we can

964
01:23:40,080 --> 01:23:42,740
advocate for issues that are most important to you.

965
01:23:43,160 --> 01:23:45,920
I've said this before, and we'll continue to say it.

966
01:23:46,400 --> 01:23:50,700
We cannot advocate for things that we do not know are issues for you.

967
01:23:51,300 --> 01:23:52,680
Please continue to let us know.

968
01:23:53,640 --> 01:23:59,840
Our emails are all easily found on the city website and it can truly be an email as simple

969
01:23:59,840 --> 01:24:02,540
as saying, hey, I saw this was happening.

970
01:24:02,540 --> 01:24:13,400
I don't agree with it, it does not need to be significantly more than that to let us know where you stand so we can lead our city in the direction that we all want.

971
01:24:14,940 --> 01:24:19,520
I'm disappointed that a vigilante took matters into their own hands.

972
01:24:20,100 --> 01:24:31,300
I think that we were at the point of that discussion regardless and those actions did not speed up the timeline nor does it portray Winona in the light that we want.

973
01:24:32,100 --> 01:24:34,100
We are a community that listens.

974
01:24:35,200 --> 01:24:37,100
We are a community that leads.

975
01:24:38,140 --> 01:24:42,660
Please continue to reach out to us and tell us what you think, so that we can continue

976
01:24:42,660 --> 01:24:44,240
to represent you in the way that's fast.

977
01:24:46,480 --> 01:24:46,880
Thanks, Ian.

978
01:24:48,140 --> 01:24:48,700
Any other comments?

979
01:24:52,940 --> 01:24:54,500
Yeah, this is a tough one.

980
01:24:55,820 --> 01:24:58,820
I agree wholeheartedly with the police statement in the outcome.

981
01:24:58,820 --> 01:25:04,180
I think, I think, you know, it was demonstrated by public opinion that this was not popular,

982
01:25:04,380 --> 01:25:11,260
this was not warranted and I think, you know, it's difficult, I think we try really hard

983
01:25:11,260 --> 01:25:17,340
here to play by the rules, do things fairly, do things appropriately.

984
01:25:18,680 --> 01:25:25,480
I think sometimes these things get heated, they become a national issue and I think at times

985
01:25:25,480 --> 01:25:32,000
people conflate misbehavior and other communities, well, that must be going on here when it's

986
01:25:32,000 --> 01:25:41,160
not. It's not warranted. And I think in this community, the police department has made

987
01:25:41,160 --> 01:25:47,120
a valid attempt and continues to try to earn the public's trust. I think that goes both ways.

988
01:25:47,900 --> 01:25:54,040
I think you need to assume good intentions at most times. And I think it's important

989
01:25:54,040 --> 01:25:57,820
that you don't conflate national issues to local ones.

990
01:25:58,520 --> 01:26:04,320
It's not to say that there isn't serious problems with flock if you do, you know, and obviously

991
01:26:04,320 --> 01:26:09,800
with misidentifying license plates, people being pulled over that warrant supposed, you know

992
01:26:09,800 --> 01:26:14,560
that, you know, that were misidentified, that is well documented, but it didn't happen

993
01:26:14,560 --> 01:26:18,740
here that I am aware of or that has been reported.

994
01:26:19,340 --> 01:26:21,020
So I think it's important.

995
01:26:21,020 --> 01:26:23,700
I do echo Sam's comment.

996
01:26:24,140 --> 01:26:27,240
I think it's absolutely critical that we hear from you.

997
01:26:28,120 --> 01:26:33,580
I think there is a, and I think the majority of people that contacted us did so politely

998
01:26:33,580 --> 01:26:34,200
and reasonably.

999
01:26:34,780 --> 01:26:40,280
There was a minority of folks that were not polite or reasonable.

1000
01:26:40,900 --> 01:26:46,800
And it doesn't amplify your point of view by being derogatory.

1001
01:26:46,800 --> 01:26:52,680
I think we all need to work on civility in this day and age, and it starts here.

1002
01:26:53,420 --> 01:26:57,080
So thank you for the comments, and that's about all I got.

1003
01:26:57,480 --> 01:26:57,720
Thanks.

1004
01:26:58,000 --> 01:26:58,260
Thank you.

1005
01:26:59,340 --> 01:27:00,060
And there are comments.

1006
01:27:00,580 --> 01:27:00,900
Questions?

1007
01:27:01,400 --> 01:27:01,520
Question?

1008
01:27:02,400 --> 01:27:02,720
Jason?

1009
01:27:07,790 --> 01:27:09,470
I fully trust the Winona Police Department.

1010
01:27:09,890 --> 01:27:15,430
I believe they set rigorous standards for this technology and create a robust local auditing

1011
01:27:15,430 --> 01:27:15,950
policy.

1012
01:27:15,950 --> 01:27:22,070
However, however, while I don't like rewarding bad behavior, I am glad to see the flock

1013
01:27:22,070 --> 01:27:22,890
cameras gone.

1014
01:27:23,830 --> 01:27:28,670
Call me a conspiracy theorist all you want, where surveillance data is incredibly powerful,

1015
01:27:29,110 --> 01:27:31,870
highly valuable, and dangerously profitable.

1016
01:27:32,430 --> 01:27:37,970
I simply cannot trust a private corporation like flock safety, safeguard that information

1017
01:27:37,970 --> 01:27:39,970
when everyone wants a piece of it.

1018
01:27:39,970 --> 01:27:46,590
A nationwide surveillance state feels inevitable, but I, and nearly everyone I heard from

1019
01:27:46,590 --> 01:27:48,690
appreciate the chance to take a pause.

1020
01:27:50,230 --> 01:27:50,890
Thanks, Susan.

1021
01:27:52,250 --> 01:27:53,930
Is there comments, questions, or discussion?

1022
01:27:55,150 --> 01:27:55,330
Drill?

1023
01:28:01,390 --> 01:28:02,090
I'm

1024
01:28:04,330 --> 01:28:15,050
more concerned about what this represents than what it was.

1025
01:28:16,470 --> 01:28:24,730
license plate readers are hardly high tech 35 states you drive down the inner

1026
01:28:24,730 --> 01:28:28,950
state and you're going to get to pay your toll because the camera over the

1027
01:28:28,950 --> 01:28:34,550
highway has identified you by license plate drive through a small town in

1028
01:28:34,550 --> 01:28:41,130
Iowa a little too fast and a few weeks later you get a bill for a hundred bucks

1029
01:28:41,130 --> 01:28:45,250
an administrative citation based on a camera.

1030
01:28:46,770 --> 01:28:48,390
These things are out there.

1031
01:28:50,630 --> 01:28:56,830
We've heard from our local police that this have been useful in doing their work.

1032
01:28:58,750 --> 01:29:06,790
And objectively, what those cameras were doing out there was no different than having an

1033
01:29:06,790 --> 01:29:20,870
officer in a squad car looking for a license plate. It's technology. It's a different

1034
01:29:20,870 --> 01:29:21,490
means.

1035
01:29:24,880 --> 01:29:35,610
What I'm disturbed by is the fear that has been expressed so

1036
01:29:37,660 --> 01:29:39,420
dramatically that

1037
01:29:40,800 --> 01:29:52,260
that we as a nation, as a culture, are falling into what might be called a surveillance

1038
01:29:52,260 --> 01:29:57,100
state, which has been termed that, that...

1039
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:09,100
Foundly distrustful of each other, and of our government,

1040
01:30:11,540 --> 01:30:16,680
that fear has been fostered by

1041
01:30:16,680 --> 01:30:22,520
the chaos we've seen fostered by federal agencies,

1042
01:30:24,750 --> 01:30:31,010
that has created a profound distrust

1043
01:30:31,010 --> 01:30:38,750
in authority and law enforcement in particular,

1044
01:30:41,840 --> 01:30:45,260
and I'm, that's what disturbs me about

1045
01:30:45,260 --> 01:30:58,820
this, the focus that this is caused. What would have been, I dare say, a decade ago, 15

1046
01:30:58,820 --> 01:31:09,380
years ago a case of local vandalism has turned into a national issue and that's

1047
01:31:09,380 --> 01:31:17,740
not because of license plate readers. It's because of a real change in our

1048
01:31:17,740 --> 01:31:24,380
cultural attitudes and the way we feel about each other and our government and

1049
01:31:24,380 --> 01:31:26,420
And that's what's got to change

1050
01:31:27,500 --> 01:31:31,280
Thanks to room and there are comments questions or discussion

1051
01:31:31,960 --> 01:31:35,920
Hearing none all those in favor say aye. Hi opposed

1052
01:31:36,440 --> 01:31:38,420
motion passes item

1053
01:31:41,460 --> 01:31:46,140
3.7 is the city of one on a legal debt limit update. You know the council received a file the report

1054
01:31:47,220 --> 01:31:49,640
Motion from Steve second from seeing and

1055
01:31:58,700 --> 01:32:01,380
council will wait for Brad to get the presentation up

1056
01:32:01,380 --> 01:32:01,540
I

1057
01:32:10,400 --> 01:32:12,200
think

1058
01:32:22,990 --> 01:32:23,690
it's a

1059
01:32:25,030 --> 01:32:31,950
good segue into the presentation. We talk about public trust. We want to make

1060
01:32:31,950 --> 01:32:41,190
sure that we come back to the public and describe what the City of

1061
01:32:41,190 --> 01:32:45,910
Winona's legal debt limit is and how we've arrived at this point.

1062
01:32:47,030 --> 01:32:52,710
Remember on July 6th I presented this slide to the City of Winona. This slide was

1063
01:32:52,710 --> 01:32:59,030
produced and provided to the city of Winona by our financial advisors Baker Tilley.

1064
01:32:59,030 --> 01:33:04,290
Baker Tilley used this exact slide in their presentation in January of

1065
01:33:04,290 --> 01:33:14,590
2026 to describe the city's legal debt limit which in this slide which is

1066
01:33:14,590 --> 01:33:22,090
incorrect showed that the city's legal debt limit was 105 million with

1067
01:33:22,090 --> 01:33:30,410
4.9 million outstanding which left us a capacity of just over a hundred million. During the July 6

1068
01:33:30,410 --> 01:33:35,590
presentation I showed four slides that looked something like this. I indicated that the city has

1069
01:33:35,590 --> 01:33:43,170
provided by Baker Tilly. The city had a legal debt capacity of 105 million. Showed these slides in how

1070
01:33:44,610 --> 01:33:51,390
projects that the city is at least considering or undertaking impact that debt capacity.

1071
01:33:53,790 --> 01:34:04,510
That number was incorrect, the number that Baker Tilly provided is wrong and this is the statement from Baker Tilly.

1072
01:34:05,370 --> 01:34:16,630
Baker Tilly Municipal Advisors LLC, Baker Tilly has identified a discrepancy in the information previously provided to the City of Winona, Minnesota related to the calculation of the City's legal debt limit.

1073
01:34:16,630 --> 01:34:23,510
upon further review it was determined that the debt limit calculation was based on incorrect estimated market value.

1074
01:34:23,970 --> 01:34:30,350
We sincerely apologize for the oversight and any confusion may have caused a corrected calculation at them.

1075
01:34:30,470 --> 01:34:40,490
Provided to the city, Baker Tilly appreciates the opportunity to correct the record and remain committed to provide in the city of Winona an accurate and reliable information.

1076
01:34:40,490 --> 01:34:48,180
So we, that night on July 6th, there were several comments about where we get the legal

1077
01:34:48,180 --> 01:34:54,220
that limit from Baker-Tilly has shown two calculations, and this is the corrected amount.

1078
01:34:55,100 --> 01:35:00,720
The items in red is what I'd like us to focus on, I guess, starting from the bottom up,

1079
01:35:00,860 --> 01:35:05,440
because this is as of August 11th, 2026.

1080
01:35:05,760 --> 01:35:11,300
This number really changes on a regular basis, and there's a lot of factors that go into

1081
01:35:11,300 --> 01:35:15,860
that's why the date is important. The source is the Minnesota Department of

1082
01:35:15,860 --> 01:35:23,100
Revenue. The proposed going back from the top down proposed pay 2026 estimated

1083
01:35:23,100 --> 01:35:29,480
market value was 2.5 billion. A legal debt limit is 3%, which means that legal

1084
01:35:29,480 --> 01:35:35,980
debt limit for the city is 77.5 million dollars. If you subtract the debt that

1085
01:35:35,980 --> 01:35:39,900
subject to that limit you'll notice it's less than 4.9. That's because the city

1086
01:35:39,900 --> 01:35:46,060
has made payments this year to our debt service which is the remaining capacity based on the

1087
01:35:46,060 --> 01:35:50,040
Minnesota Department of Revenue at 73.1 million.

1088
01:35:53,290 --> 01:35:55,210
Baker Tilly has also provided this correction

1089
01:35:55,210 --> 01:36:01,850
again working from the bottom up. This is also taken on August 11th, 2026, the sources of a known

1090
01:36:01,850 --> 01:36:07,290
accounting valuation worksheet. So this is not a certified amount but it is a valuation worksheet

1091
01:36:07,290 --> 01:36:14,130
from the county. Again, the proposed estimated market value for 2026 is 2.5 billion.

1092
01:36:14,910 --> 01:36:20,170
Three percent is the legal debt percentage. That leads a legal debt limit according to the

1093
01:36:20,170 --> 01:36:28,770
county evaluation worksheet of 77.4 million. You subtract out our current debt remaining capacity

1094
01:36:28,770 --> 01:36:34,870
is $72.9. So a couple hundred thousand dollars, which $100,000 is significant. We went from

1095
01:36:34,870 --> 01:36:43,630
73.1 from the state of Minnesota to 72.9 from the county. There's a lot of numbers on the sheet.

1096
01:36:43,710 --> 01:36:49,070
I don't expect you to read all of them. This would be straight from the city of Winona's financial

1097
01:36:50,370 --> 01:36:55,190
statement. That's why in the bottom of the red, this is the city's valuation unaudited for December

1098
01:36:55,190 --> 01:36:56,810
number 31st, 2025.

1099
01:36:57,890 --> 01:37:01,010
At the end of 2025, he

1100
01:37:05,550 --> 01:37:06,810
had a legal debt limit

1101
01:37:06,810 --> 01:37:09,070
of 66 million point six.

1102
01:37:10,250 --> 01:37:12,270
Again, this is done by the city of Winona with help.

1103
01:37:12,570 --> 01:37:15,010
Winona County, it is looked at even though it says

1104
01:37:15,010 --> 01:37:17,510
unordered it, anything that is in our financial statement

1105
01:37:17,510 --> 01:37:19,550
is reviewed by Abdo, we mentioned that

1106
01:37:19,550 --> 01:37:22,110
in the presentation July 6th.

1107
01:37:22,110 --> 01:37:25,290
If there was anything that looked unusual

1108
01:37:25,290 --> 01:37:27,230
in that number, they would have flagged that,

1109
01:37:27,230 --> 01:37:29,030
but it is an un audited number.

1110
01:37:31,320 --> 01:37:40,280
So if we rewind July 6th and we re-issue the charts or slides that we showed, we have

1111
01:37:40,280 --> 01:37:43,820
changed the city of Winona's debt capacity to 73 million.

1112
01:37:44,640 --> 01:37:49,280
In the first slide I showed the example is if the wastewater treatment plant at $33 million

1113
01:37:50,260 --> 01:37:56,540
was taken out in debt and the 61 million for the public safety building in the beige.

1114
01:37:57,940 --> 01:38:04,900
And you added our current debt, which on July 6 was 4.9, with the $73 million debt capacity,

1115
01:38:05,100 --> 01:38:11,340
we'd be $25.9 million over our debt capacity. We would not be allowed to do that.

1116
01:38:11,960 --> 01:38:16,520
However, remember from the presentation, at the $33 million dollar waste water treatment

1117
01:38:16,520 --> 01:38:19,460
doesn't count toward our debt capacity because it is a revenue bond.

1118
01:38:21,000 --> 01:38:25,880
So if we go with the theory that the city of Winona would take out debt at $61 million for

1119
01:38:25,880 --> 01:38:31,060
public safety building combined with that $4.9 million in current debt that would leave

1120
01:38:31,060 --> 01:38:34,660
$7.1 million in our total debt capacity.

1121
01:38:36,940 --> 01:38:41,980
We did also mention that if the city was to take

1122
01:38:41,980 --> 01:38:48,440
the debt out through the port authority that the port authority debt taken out for the

1123
01:38:48,440 --> 01:38:55,060
public safety building does not count against the city of Winona's debt capacity. So if you

1124
01:38:55,060 --> 01:39:05,100
take our current debt, it's 4.9, this would leave approximately 68.1 million in available debt

1125
01:39:05,100 --> 01:39:11,520
for other projects. I would note that the 73 million does change, this will change before

1126
01:39:11,520 --> 01:39:19,880
we bond, this number will come back and the bonding decision is asked of council, so that number

1127
01:39:19,880 --> 01:39:28,400
will change, but on a two correct Baker Tilly's assessment of our debt capacity. I would

1128
01:39:28,400 --> 01:39:36,920
also note this, that this is not meant to be an aferious circumvention of the law. We

1129
01:39:36,920 --> 01:39:44,860
have a port authority. Whether we have a referendum or not, the council has the ability to issue

1130
01:39:44,860 --> 01:39:52,080
debt through the port to keep the city of Lennon's legal debt limit low so that we can

1131
01:39:52,080 --> 01:39:58,340
take out more debt for projects that may be warranted or for operations. So I'll note

1132
01:39:58,340 --> 01:40:06,360
this again if the city has a referendum as a hypothetical and the community says 52% say

1133
01:40:06,360 --> 01:40:13,180
move forward, 48% say do not move forward and the council chooses to move forward. You

1134
01:40:13,180 --> 01:40:18,860
have a tool because we have a port authority to move that debt and bond that debt through

1135
01:40:18,860 --> 01:40:25,420
the port authority so it doesn't count against the city's legal debt limit. But as was mentioned

1136
01:40:25,420 --> 01:40:29,420
tonight by a member of the public that came to public comment, the heart of the issue

1137
01:40:30,120 --> 01:40:35,280
aside from debt capacity is the cost of the buildings. Either way, whether you take this

1138
01:40:35,280 --> 01:40:39,980
debt out through the port authority or the city, you have to consider whether or not you

1139
01:40:39,980 --> 01:40:46,460
want to take out that much debt. That is the issue. Tax payers pay it back. Pay it back.

1140
01:40:46,540 --> 01:40:52,360
Either through a tax levy or if you choose through utility fees, through franchise fees,

1141
01:40:52,820 --> 01:40:59,100
how are that, how are that may be? We're just simply saying that there is a tool because we are one

1142
01:40:59,100 --> 01:41:02,940
of those unique communities that has a poor authority to take that debt out.

1143
01:41:07,110 --> 01:41:08,090
Any questions, comments,

1144
01:41:08,090 --> 01:41:09,430
I'd be happy to entertain them.

1145
01:41:10,370 --> 01:41:10,890
Sam?

1146
01:41:11,310 --> 01:41:12,770
And then I'll come down the line.

1147
01:41:13,230 --> 01:41:13,930
It's steeping over.

1148
01:41:14,170 --> 01:41:14,650
Okay.

1149
01:41:14,910 --> 01:41:15,050
Steve.

1150
01:41:16,250 --> 01:41:16,470
Okay.

1151
01:41:17,470 --> 01:41:18,910
Thank you for the explanation.

1152
01:41:19,350 --> 01:41:21,390
I am really disappointed that this happened.

1153
01:41:21,810 --> 01:41:23,030
I can't believe it.

1154
01:41:24,150 --> 01:41:26,890
I understand where we've got a new relationship with the Baker Tilly.

1155
01:41:27,590 --> 01:41:34,470
We were promised that they were competent and knew what they were doing.

1156
01:41:34,670 --> 01:41:37,330
And I understand numbers.

1157
01:41:37,330 --> 01:41:47,690
I understand business, I've worked with corporations that have made errors, but wow, we really rely on these numbers.

1158
01:41:48,330 --> 01:41:53,270
We took presentations, we were making decisions on these numbers.

1159
01:41:53,870 --> 01:42:04,130
I'm less than impressed. I appreciate the apology, fine, but not impressed with what happened.

1160
01:42:04,130 --> 01:42:09,330
And I'll accept their apology by not

1161
01:42:11,510 --> 01:42:11,890
impressed.

1162
01:42:12,250 --> 01:42:12,410
Thanks.

1163
01:42:13,110 --> 01:42:13,530
Thanks, Steve.

1164
01:42:14,190 --> 01:42:15,150
Do you want to go in?

1165
01:42:15,490 --> 01:42:15,630
Yeah.

1166
01:42:15,990 --> 01:42:16,130
Okay.

1167
01:42:16,590 --> 01:42:20,330
To echo Councillor Young, this is an embarrassing oversight by Baker Telly.

1168
01:42:22,270 --> 01:42:35,350
Using our entire estimated market value instead of taxable parcels only is not only clearly outlined in the state statute for a financial advisor who primarily advises on debt service.

1169
01:42:35,350 --> 01:42:38,150
this is an embarrassing oversight.

1170
01:42:38,910 --> 01:42:43,890
I also want to clarify for the public that table 20 that was referenced in the city manager's

1171
01:42:43,890 --> 01:42:49,610
presentation also does not have the correct debt figure it uses assessed value instead

1172
01:42:49,610 --> 01:42:51,050
of taxable parcel EMV.

1173
01:42:51,650 --> 01:42:52,750
I've brought this up before.

1174
01:42:54,200 --> 01:43:00,050
I am upset about this discrepancy.

1175
01:43:01,330 --> 01:43:08,010
I'm glad we found a resolution to this billion dollar error, but, unfortunately, it was the

1176
01:43:08,010 --> 01:43:09,750
most concerning resolution that we could have found.

1177
01:43:10,430 --> 01:43:15,890
Effectively, our financial advisors overinflated our income as a city by a billion dollars.

1178
01:43:16,470 --> 01:43:21,470
To put this into a household context, if any of us trying to get a house, trying to get

1179
01:43:21,470 --> 01:43:27,070
a mortgage, and we overinflate our mortgage by a hundred thousand dollars to make sure

1180
01:43:27,070 --> 01:43:32,710
that we get the loan. First of all, could we actually afford that house? And second,

1181
01:43:33,130 --> 01:43:40,070
isn't that mortgage fraud? This is a huge error. An error so big that it should give

1182
01:43:40,070 --> 01:43:47,990
all of us pause. If these numbers are off, what other numbers could be off? What else

1183
01:43:48,350 --> 01:43:56,410
is wrong? What else are we missing? We owe it to those we serve and represent to wait and

1184
01:43:56,410 --> 01:44:02,130
here out the county, especially in the face of a billion dollar error.

1185
01:44:03,300 --> 01:44:08,910
We all as city of one-on-a-tax fairs are paying for the county's LEC renovation study

1186
01:44:09,240 --> 01:44:14,090
and we owe it to each other to wait and see what they find.

1187
01:44:14,730 --> 01:44:21,570
We have just learned that the people that we trust to give us accurate information didn't.

1188
01:44:21,570 --> 01:44:28,750
With this much doubt in our process, it's essential that we hear another opinion.

1189
01:44:30,250 --> 01:44:33,430
I know that police and fire both need improve facilities.

1190
01:44:33,990 --> 01:44:39,490
No one at this table is doubting that police and fire need improve facilities.

1191
01:44:39,870 --> 01:44:41,970
We have all walked through the facilities.

1192
01:44:42,170 --> 01:44:46,630
We understand how desperately we need renovations.

1193
01:44:47,550 --> 01:44:54,070
And I want to remind everyone that the current proposal on the table is not the only way that

1194
01:44:54,070 --> 01:44:56,010
we get police and fire what we need.

1195
01:44:56,010 --> 01:44:57,090
And as we...

1196
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:08,660
Way fiscally responsible. Thank you. Thanks. Other comments, questions? Discussion? Yeah.

1197
01:45:11,520 --> 01:45:12,220
Okay.

1198
01:45:13,480 --> 01:45:27,680
Yep. Billion dollars with a B. That's that's that's class A here. And then and as the other council persons have said that's disappointing to say the least.

1199
01:45:27,680 --> 01:45:38,700
I think at this point, it's also, we're at a point where we need to probably press the

1200
01:45:38,700 --> 01:45:39,420
pause button.

1201
01:45:40,080 --> 01:45:44,320
I think it's something we need to contemplate between now and the next meeting when we're

1202
01:45:44,320 --> 01:45:47,480
scheduled to get an option to buy property.

1203
01:45:47,660 --> 01:45:52,880
I think it's a good point in time to think about this.

1204
01:45:52,880 --> 01:46:05,480
So, with this debt limit now more accurately appraised, even if we can avoid the limits

1205
01:46:05,480 --> 01:46:12,540
by moving things through a poor authority, I think that defeats the purpose of why there

1206
01:46:12,540 --> 01:46:16,180
is debt limits and the state issues these.

1207
01:46:16,620 --> 01:46:20,380
The idea is so you don't get yourself in trouble.

1208
01:46:20,380 --> 01:46:26,980
because regardless of whether the debt goes through the county or excuse me whether the debt goes

1209
01:46:26,980 --> 01:46:32,100
through the port authority or whether the debt goes directly through the city, it's the same people

1210
01:46:32,100 --> 01:46:40,140
that have to pay the debt. So, you know, to me that's really an argument in semantics because the debt

1211
01:46:40,140 --> 01:46:49,040
is still incurred whether it fits the profile of the limit and to me I'll add in the water treatment

1212
01:46:49,040 --> 01:46:52,620
debt that we have to repay, we still all have to repay it.

1213
01:46:53,620 --> 01:46:58,660
And so it really becomes a, it becomes a moot point whether we can move it or not.

1214
01:46:58,920 --> 01:47:01,400
The point, the question is, is can we afford it?

1215
01:47:01,920 --> 01:47:03,540
And I don't think we've determined that.

1216
01:47:04,540 --> 01:47:05,600
I would agree.

1217
01:47:05,960 --> 01:47:11,900
I think from all the people that I have heard from in the community, I am hearing nothing

1218
01:47:11,900 --> 01:47:18,300
but positive, I'm hearing no negatives towards doing something for police and fire.

1219
01:47:18,300 --> 01:47:21,600
I think the community recognizes it's something needs to be done.

1220
01:47:22,240 --> 01:47:28,380
But what the community is also asking for is what are the options and they're asking for a voice.

1221
01:47:29,080 --> 01:47:32,860
Whether we do a series of public meetings, whether we do a referendum,

1222
01:47:33,640 --> 01:47:40,940
there is no way that we can bond this much money without getting some public direct public opinion.

1223
01:47:41,400 --> 01:47:44,600
It's just not good government if we don't.

1224
01:47:44,600 --> 01:47:52,700
And so I understand there's, you know, that's something that we need to figure out, but this is the point to do so.

1225
01:47:53,360 --> 01:48:05,820
The county voted five nothing, which is a rare occurrence over at the county to support the study that included the police department with the sheriff department.

1226
01:48:06,900 --> 01:48:13,000
And so I think it is the minimum to wait to hear what that is to see if that is something

1227
01:48:13,000 --> 01:48:14,180
that we can utilize.

1228
01:48:15,320 --> 01:48:20,000
I think we also need to go back and take a look at what are our other options, and there

1229
01:48:20,000 --> 01:48:20,540
aren't a lot.

1230
01:48:21,120 --> 01:48:28,120
There's nothing that anybody has purposefully overlooked, but I think we need to reassess

1231
01:48:28,640 --> 01:48:32,980
and see if there's a different way that we can do this and come up with a couple of options

1232
01:48:32,980 --> 01:48:39,440
and the key point is get public opinion on those options so that we can go

1233
01:48:39,440 --> 01:48:44,280
forward as a commute with the community behind us because I don't want to

1234
01:48:44,280 --> 01:48:50,560
be distracted by by trying to push something through that is very expensive

1235
01:48:50,560 --> 01:48:54,700
that the community has not been able to weigh in on I think you set yourself up

1236
01:48:54,700 --> 01:49:01,820
to get way laid down the road by again not that people aren't supportive but they

1237
01:49:01,820 --> 01:49:07,180
haven't had a voice. And I think that's the dangerous thing to try to do, plain and simple.

1238
01:49:07,900 --> 01:49:13,880
So I hope that we can take some time between now and the next meeting to consider how and what

1239
01:49:13,880 --> 01:49:21,440
ways could we get public opinion on the options that are available to us. And we're going to need

1240
01:49:21,440 --> 01:49:27,560
to flesh out those options. One of them is the one we have in front of us. And collectively,

1241
01:49:27,560 --> 01:49:32,600
If the community comes back and says, hey, of the ones you pointed out, this is the best one.

1242
01:49:32,920 --> 01:49:33,140
Great.

1243
01:49:33,660 --> 01:49:34,180
100%.

1244
01:49:34,180 --> 01:49:35,300
I'll be behind it.

1245
01:49:35,840 --> 01:49:43,400
But without public opinion and having an opportunity to weigh in, it's almost impossible to go

1246
01:49:43,400 --> 01:49:46,700
forward with that, in my mind, for me, along.

1247
01:49:47,400 --> 01:49:50,280
So, that's, I think, probably an option.

1248
01:49:50,440 --> 01:49:52,180
We'll try to get out here before 10 tonight.

1249
01:49:52,480 --> 01:49:52,780
Thank you.

1250
01:49:52,780 --> 01:50:03,440
Thank you. Any other comments, questions, discussion? Hearing none. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. Opposed? Motion passes.

1251
01:50:05,400 --> 01:50:12,600
Second or unfinished business item 4.1 is the contract award for the 2026 Huff Street Waterman crossing.

1252
01:50:13,120 --> 01:50:18,940
The Council adopt the resolution. Second. Motion from Steve. Second from Sam. Any discussion?

1253
01:50:18,940 --> 01:50:24,820
here in nun all those in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed?

1254
01:50:25,940 --> 01:50:32,900
Motion passes. Item 4.2 is the contract award for the 2026 lead service line project.

1255
01:50:33,220 --> 01:50:37,780
The council will doubt the resolution. Second. Motion from Steve. Second from Sam. Any discussion.

1256
01:50:39,220 --> 01:50:42,380
George we're okay with this little bid Brian.

1257
01:50:48,760 --> 01:50:53,160
We did look into position and their references are stellar.

1258
01:50:53,160 --> 01:50:58,580
they did 1,250 of these in Minneapolis so they got plenty of experience, pretty

1259
01:50:58,580 --> 01:51:03,180
confident that they'll do a good job. How long would it take them, would all these

1260
01:51:03,180 --> 01:51:04,640
be done this year yet?

1261
01:51:07,320 --> 01:51:09,700
Depending on whether or not. All depends on when they

1262
01:51:09,700 --> 01:51:15,900
can start and everything else, we don't want to let them really get them broken up

1263
01:51:15,900 --> 01:51:18,980
and then not be able to get black top in so that's going to be one of the major

1264
01:51:18,980 --> 01:51:26,740
factors on the completion date isn't till next spring so we factor to that end just in case they

1265
01:51:26,740 --> 01:51:27,400
can't get it done.

1266
01:51:30,400 --> 01:51:37,760
Thank you. Any other comments, questions or discussion? Hearing none? All those in

1267
01:51:37,760 --> 01:51:44,580
favor say aye. Aye. Opposed? Motion passes. Item 4.3.

1268
01:51:50,110 --> 01:51:51,810
The council through their request. Second.

1269
01:51:51,810 --> 01:51:56,950
motion from Steve, second from Jerome on that one, and we do have a presentation from staff.

1270
01:52:06,060 --> 01:52:12,660
Mayor and council, I'm going to give a brief overview tonight of the new fix space operator agreement for the Winona Municipal Airport.

1271
01:52:13,440 --> 01:52:20,140
As council may recall, the city issued an RFP for FEO services in January, proposals were due February 10th,

1272
01:52:20,300 --> 01:52:28,460
and on March 2nd council unanimously selected Hartley and Aviation as a successful proposal and directed staff to begin negotiating an agreement.

1273
01:52:28,460 --> 01:52:33,500
Since that time, Heartland Aviation has adopted the business name Revert City Aviation,

1274
01:52:33,700 --> 01:52:36,580
which is the name they will operate under here in Winona.

1275
01:52:37,860 --> 01:52:42,500
Revert City Aviation will officially take over as the primary fixed space operator

1276
01:52:42,500 --> 01:52:46,180
at the Winona Municipal Airport beginning May 1, 2027.

1277
01:52:48,490 --> 01:52:51,950
One of the major goals during this negotiation was to update and simplify

1278
01:52:51,950 --> 01:52:54,470
the city's contractual relationship with the FBO.

1279
01:52:54,470 --> 01:53:14,730
The previous FBO operated under five separate agreements with the city and some of those agreements were nearly 40 years old, rather than simply updating each of those individual agreements, staff felt this is a good opportunity to take a comprehensive look at the relationship between the city and the FBO and make sure the agreement reflects how the airport operates today.

1280
01:53:14,730 --> 01:53:20,270
The result is one modernized comprehensive lease and services agreement that consolidates

1281
01:53:20,270 --> 01:53:25,050
the previous agreements and more clearly defines the responsibilities of both the city and

1282
01:53:25,050 --> 01:53:26,570
the River City Aviation.

1283
01:53:28,410 --> 01:53:31,630
There are several key terms of the agreement that I need to highlight.

1284
01:53:31,870 --> 01:53:33,350
The initial term is five years.

1285
01:53:33,810 --> 01:53:38,870
It begins on May 1st, 2027 and running through April 30th, 2032.

1286
01:53:39,410 --> 01:53:42,790
There are then three additional five year renewal terms available.

1287
01:53:43,390 --> 01:53:49,590
River City Aviation will pay the city $46,000 annually with a 3% annual increase.

1288
01:53:50,250 --> 01:53:53,070
Those payments will be made in two installments each year.

1289
01:53:53,990 --> 01:53:59,390
The city will also receive a few fuel fee of 10 cents per gallon, which will be paid monthly.

1290
01:54:00,270 --> 01:54:02,430
Another change involves the tea hangers.

1291
01:54:02,950 --> 01:54:07,430
Under the new agreement, River City Aviation will manage all five of the tea hangers, rather

1292
01:54:07,430 --> 01:54:11,450
than having management responsibilities divided between the city and the FBO.

1293
01:54:11,450 --> 01:54:15,450
currently the FBO manages two and the city manages three.

1294
01:54:18,530 --> 01:54:22,830
This slide gives an overview of the services River City Aviation will be responsible for

1295
01:54:22,830 --> 01:54:29,150
providing the core FBO services include aviation fuel sales, rampant apron services, aircraft

1296
01:54:29,150 --> 01:54:33,890
parking, storage tie down services, and pilot and customer services.

1297
01:54:34,550 --> 01:54:36,570
Aircraft maintenance may also be provided.

1298
01:54:37,570 --> 01:54:42,630
River Cityation will also assist responsibilities for the operation of the airport.

1299
01:54:42,630 --> 01:54:45,490
or those include providing 24-7 call and service,

1300
01:54:46,190 --> 01:54:48,790
helping with conducting a runway inspections,

1301
01:54:49,170 --> 01:54:51,290
responding to hazards if there are any coordinating,

1302
01:54:53,730 --> 01:54:55,190
coordinating not, I don't think it's called,

1303
01:54:55,190 --> 01:54:59,110
not to answer NOTI, correct me, Brian, how it's spelled.

1304
01:55:00,090 --> 01:55:00,730
When necessary,

1305
01:55:03,350 --> 01:55:04,090
monitoring runway lighting

1306
01:55:04,090 --> 01:55:05,990
and advising pilots at field conditions,

1307
01:55:06,770 --> 01:55:09,790
they will also be responsible for the general upkeep

1308
01:55:09,790 --> 01:55:12,270
and day-to-day operation of the least areas.

1309
01:55:13,710 --> 01:55:16,830
The agreement includes additional reporting requirements as well.

1310
01:55:17,310 --> 01:55:21,950
Riverside Aviation will provide an annual report regarding airport conditions and activities

1311
01:55:21,950 --> 01:55:24,130
as well as an annual presentation to the council.

1312
01:55:25,630 --> 01:55:28,010
Maintenance and repair responsibilities.

1313
01:55:28,310 --> 01:55:33,750
One area where we spent quite a bit of time during negotiations was clearly defining maintenance

1314
01:55:33,750 --> 01:55:35,770
and repair responsibilities.

1315
01:55:35,770 --> 01:55:41,890
Under the agreement, River City Aviation is generally responsible for the day-to-day upkeep

1316
01:55:41,890 --> 01:55:43,850
of the areas it occupies.

1317
01:55:44,310 --> 01:55:48,890
That includes such things as cleaning, cleaning supplies, replacing light bulbs, filters,

1318
01:55:49,630 --> 01:55:54,770
addressing minor leaks, snow and ice removal around doorways, sidewalks, and pedestrian areas.

1319
01:55:55,730 --> 01:55:58,710
They are also responsible for damage caused by the FEO.

1320
01:55:58,930 --> 01:56:02,510
It's employees, tenants from the T-hangers, things like that.

1321
01:56:02,510 --> 01:56:08,150
The city is responsible for maintenance and repairs of the city-owned buildings and assets.

1322
01:56:08,830 --> 01:56:15,530
This includes roofs, exterior walls, doors and windows, plumbing, HVAC, electrical and

1323
01:56:15,530 --> 01:56:17,530
fire systems, and other repairs.

1324
01:56:18,470 --> 01:56:24,990
The city will also continue to be responsible for airport snow-plowing and maintenance of

1325
01:56:24,990 --> 01:56:26,510
the city-owned fuel facility.

1326
01:56:27,330 --> 01:56:31,670
The intent here was to establish a much clearer division between the FBO's responsibility

1327
01:56:31,670 --> 01:56:36,630
for every day upkeep, and the city's responsibility as the owner of the building buildings.

1328
01:56:39,240 --> 01:56:43,160
While the city is taking responsibility for building maintenance and repairs,

1329
01:56:43,760 --> 01:56:48,280
it is important to point out that those obligations are tied to the annual budget approved by the city council.

1330
01:56:49,260 --> 01:56:54,380
Before the city's annual budget process, River City Aviation in conjunction with the city will identify

1331
01:56:54,380 --> 01:56:57,240
major and minor building and property maintenance needs.

1332
01:56:57,900 --> 01:57:01,680
Those needs will then come through the city's normal budget process,

1333
01:57:01,680 --> 01:57:06,380
and ultimately council will determine how much funding is allocated for airport maintenance

1334
01:57:06,380 --> 01:57:11,800
and repairs each year. If a repair or replacement comes up during the year that was not included

1335
01:57:11,800 --> 01:57:19,380
in that approved budget, that expenditure would require separate council approval. So while

1336
01:57:19,380 --> 01:57:24,300
the agreement identifies the city's responsibilities, it also maintains council's authority over the

1337
01:57:24,300 --> 01:57:27,580
amount of city funding that is committed to those repairs each year.

1338
01:57:29,810 --> 01:57:31,010
And lastly, another important

1339
01:57:31,010 --> 01:57:35,570
One provision of this agreement is a facility's assessment within 30 days of the agreement's

1340
01:57:35,570 --> 01:57:36,210
effective date.

1341
01:57:36,710 --> 01:57:40,730
The city engineer and building official will begin evaluating the lease premises.

1342
01:57:41,390 --> 01:57:46,010
The evaluation may include physical inspections and other studies or investigations of the

1343
01:57:46,010 --> 01:57:51,070
building's structural conditions, environmental conditions, and other issues that may need

1344
01:57:51,070 --> 01:57:52,210
to be addressed out there.

1345
01:57:53,050 --> 01:57:57,250
A written report will then be prepared that identifies that work that is needed, estimated

1346
01:57:57,250 --> 01:57:59,870
cost, and anticipated timing.

1347
01:57:59,870 --> 01:58:04,630
That report will then be provided to the City Manager and River City Aviation within

1348
01:58:04,630 --> 01:58:07,070
90 days of the agreement's effective date.

1349
01:58:07,790 --> 01:58:12,030
The purpose of this assessment is to really give the City and River City Aviation clear

1350
01:58:12,030 --> 01:58:17,510
understanding of the conditions of the facilities and what work may need to occur before and after

1351
01:58:17,510 --> 01:58:21,830
River City Aviation takes over on May 1, 2027.

1352
01:58:24,440 --> 01:58:29,680
Finally, the agreement includes a provision that allows both parties to revisit the agreement

1353
01:58:29,680 --> 01:58:30,320
in the future.

1354
01:58:30,320 --> 01:58:36,000
Beginning May 1st, 2031, either the City or River City Aviation can request that the

1355
01:58:36,000 --> 01:58:40,700
agreement be reviewed and renegotiated by providing 30 days written notice.

1356
01:58:41,540 --> 01:58:45,640
The agreement can also be reviewed at any time if significant capital improvements to the

1357
01:58:45,640 --> 01:58:47,920
airport facilities are proposed or completed.

1358
01:58:48,660 --> 01:58:55,720
If either party request, renegotiations, the City and River City Aviation have 180 days

1359
01:58:55,720 --> 01:58:57,840
to renegotiate any proposed amendments.

1360
01:58:59,600 --> 01:59:03,840
If the parties cannot agree on changes, the existing agreement does not automatically

1361
01:59:03,840 --> 01:59:04,620
terminate.

1362
01:59:04,700 --> 01:59:10,040
It simply remains in effect under its existing renewal, termination and default provisions.

1363
01:59:10,660 --> 01:59:15,720
This gives both parties an opportunity to revisit the agreement as airport operations and

1364
01:59:15,720 --> 01:59:21,680
facility needs change without requiring that the entire agreement be negotiated every single

1365
01:59:21,680 --> 01:59:21,940
time.

1366
01:59:24,430 --> 01:59:24,870
With that.

1367
01:59:26,570 --> 01:59:27,650
Any questions?

1368
01:59:27,910 --> 01:59:28,030
Yeah.

1369
01:59:28,030 --> 01:59:29,410
Does anybody have any questions?

1370
01:59:33,450 --> 01:59:33,530
No.

1371
01:59:34,170 --> 01:59:34,730
All right.

1372
01:59:35,350 --> 01:59:35,690
Same.

1373
01:59:36,130 --> 01:59:36,310
Go ahead.

1374
01:59:36,390 --> 01:59:36,810
All right, I do.

1375
01:59:38,290 --> 01:59:43,430
Could we go back into the presentation to the, I think it was the third slide where it outlined

1376
01:59:43,430 --> 01:59:48,310
the annual rent and fuel check payments?

1377
01:59:49,350 --> 01:59:55,050
And could you, if you are able, I think it was back a couple of some more slides.

1378
02:00:00,460 --> 02:00:30,080
What was the rent prior to this? What was our fuel payment prior to this? So, Mayor and Council, before we were, I believe we were accepting four cents per gallon for the fuel. So this is an increase. And then the annual rent is a little bit harder to compare apples to apples. Before we were collecting rent solely on the administrative buildings,

1379
02:00:30,080 --> 02:00:34,120
and we were ourselves renting out three of the T hangers.

1380
02:00:34,560 --> 02:00:40,000
The FBO had, he was paying a very small fee for the other two hangers,

1381
02:00:40,000 --> 02:00:43,280
and then he entered, you know, rented those out and kept that income.

1382
02:00:44,120 --> 02:00:46,900
Combined total, I think it was about $7,500.

1383
02:00:47,680 --> 02:00:51,760
Okay, however, you have to remember that the city was renting out two of the T hangers

1384
02:00:51,760 --> 02:00:52,880
and keeping that income.

1385
02:00:53,400 --> 02:00:56,680
So it's pretty comparable, I think when you added all up,

1386
02:00:56,840 --> 02:00:59,000
is if everything is at max capacity.

1387
02:00:59,000 --> 02:01:03,800
This would be very similar. It's just that the city won't be responsible for renting

1388
02:01:03,800 --> 02:01:07,120
those out, trying to collect those payments themselves. We would just give the money

1389
02:01:07,120 --> 02:01:12,840
twice a year. So if I'm hearing it right, our annual rent is about the same. Correct.

1390
02:01:13,060 --> 02:01:21,080
And then our fuel payments that come in monthly, we increase that by 150%. Correct. Wow.

1391
02:01:21,560 --> 02:01:26,460
That is, that is quite a change. Thank you for this renegotiation.

1392
02:01:28,960 --> 02:01:31,280
Any other comments, questions?

1393
02:01:33,180 --> 02:01:33,360
No?

1394
02:01:34,000 --> 02:01:34,320
Thank you, Amy.

1395
02:01:34,880 --> 02:01:35,740
Appreciate it.

1396
02:01:36,080 --> 02:01:37,320
Hearing none, all those in favor.

1397
02:01:37,620 --> 02:01:37,940
Say aye.

1398
02:01:38,300 --> 02:01:38,760
Aye.

1399
02:01:40,200 --> 02:01:41,120
Motion passes.

1400
02:01:42,120 --> 02:01:43,060
Under new business.

1401
02:01:46,140 --> 02:01:52,700
Item 5.1 is a request to set the date for the public hearing to consider the resolution

1402
02:01:52,700 --> 02:01:55,380
to levy assessments for unpaid charges.

1403
02:01:55,380 --> 02:02:02,680
You're the council to adopt the resolution second motion from Steve second from George. We do have

1404
02:02:02,680 --> 02:02:04,120
Jessica here

1405
02:02:05,590 --> 02:02:11,100
This agenda agenda item is to set the date for the public hearing on September 21st

1406
02:02:11,920 --> 02:02:15,780
In preparation for the public hearing. I just wanted to give an overview of the process

1407
02:02:16,300 --> 02:02:21,640
State statute allows for special assessments on unpaid water and sewer bills

1408
02:02:21,640 --> 02:02:27,380
before assessing properties for unpaid water and sewer bills.

1409
02:02:28,260 --> 02:02:33,100
Water was shut off for doing print accounts.

1410
02:02:35,920 --> 02:02:39,420
As of today, they're at noon.

1411
02:02:39,680 --> 02:02:42,940
There were 627 properties on the list.

1412
02:02:43,540 --> 02:02:48,840
Many of those would have had water turned off due to on payment.

1413
02:02:48,840 --> 02:03:01,140
The updated value of the assessment are 340,400, which is 22.6% of the estimated wastewater

1414
02:03:01,140 --> 02:03:07,320
bond payment, or 2.4% of a tax levy.

1415
02:03:10,780 --> 02:03:17,420
Payments can be made by homeowners in person over the phone, online, and at our drop box.

1416
02:03:17,420 --> 02:03:22,640
in the forms of cash, check, credit, and debit cards, and ACEH.

1417
02:03:23,980 --> 02:03:29,460
Utility bills and late notices are sent on a regular basis and have been sent to

1418
02:03:29,460 --> 02:03:35,160
everybody who is on this list. Throughout the year the city works with

1419
02:03:35,160 --> 02:03:41,440
individuals who contact the finance department wishing to make a payment plan.

1420
02:03:41,440 --> 02:03:49,140
currently there are seven properties that are on the payment plan. Special

1421
02:03:49,140 --> 02:03:55,220
assessments are the last step in the process to collect. State statute also

1422
02:03:55,220 --> 02:04:01,280
allows special assessments for code violations listed on the assessment list.

1423
02:04:01,860 --> 02:04:05,960
This process starts with a complaint to the inspections department.

1424
02:04:07,680 --> 02:04:14,380
Notices are posted and mailed. Multiple inspections take place. Photos are taken before an actor.

1425
02:04:16,480 --> 02:04:22,660
Contractors perform the work and build a city. The city then builds the homeowners plus an administrative.

1426
02:04:23,480 --> 02:04:28,260
Homeowners can contact the inspection department with questions and concerns.

1427
02:04:29,280 --> 02:04:33,440
and, again, special assessments are the last step in this process to work.

1428
02:04:35,520 --> 02:04:37,820
Very good. Thank you, Jessica. Any questions? Yes.

1429
02:04:39,280 --> 02:04:46,720
Thank you for that overview. In the future, I would appreciate if that overview was included in the agenda cover page

1430
02:04:46,720 --> 02:04:53,140
so that it's more easily accessible for the public and the public record. But it was a great overview. Thank you very much.

1431
02:04:54,680 --> 02:04:55,100
Thanks, Jim.

1432
02:04:55,700 --> 02:05:05,920
Yeah. Thanks for the overview just kind of. I appreciate that the city really tries to work with people, you know, because everybody's indefinitely, you know, has a different set of circumstances.

1433
02:05:06,780 --> 02:05:15,680
And so I think it's important that, you know, we're trying and that a lot of this is the last resort after, you know, variety of things have been tried.

1434
02:05:15,680 --> 02:05:20,260
So I think it's important to know that we're accessible and that won't work with folks

1435
02:05:20,880 --> 02:05:28,840
Make who made you know for whatever reason be going through a hard time or having a difficulty in and making payments for water

1436
02:05:28,840 --> 02:05:31,160
And that type of thing. So thank you.

1437
02:05:31,420 --> 02:05:32,140
Thanks, Chef.

1438
02:05:32,740 --> 02:05:35,020
Any other comments or questions? Jason?

1439
02:05:35,400 --> 02:05:35,680
Call

1440
02:05:40,550 --> 02:05:42,050
out any specific properties, but

1441
02:05:43,230 --> 02:05:44,770
I'm seeing some of these

1442
02:05:44,770 --> 02:05:49,770
amount that like seven dollars like how does that happen and no one gets a

1443
02:05:49,770 --> 02:05:57,690
water bill for seven dollars. So oftentimes I believe seven dollars is the

1444
02:05:57,690 --> 02:06:04,350
quarterly amount for the storm sewer charge the minimum charge so they likely

1445
02:06:04,350 --> 02:06:10,270
have a minimum or the an outstanding storm sewer charge for one quarter.

1446
02:06:13,770 --> 02:06:14,750
So they

1447
02:06:14,750 --> 02:06:16,710
or a pan for, it turned off their own water.

1448
02:06:16,710 --> 02:06:18,230
Since it's only for one quarter,

1449
02:06:18,470 --> 02:06:20,510
they likely know when they're just late,

1450
02:06:20,730 --> 02:06:23,510
making that the most recent quarter payment.

1451
02:06:25,030 --> 02:06:25,710
Thank you.

1452
02:06:26,970 --> 02:06:28,590
Any other questions for Jessica?

1453
02:06:29,690 --> 02:06:30,730
No, thanks, Jessica.

1454
02:06:32,150 --> 02:06:34,210
Okay, all those in favor say aye.

1455
02:06:34,670 --> 02:06:34,950
Aye.

1456
02:06:35,550 --> 02:06:35,830
Opposed?

1457
02:06:36,910 --> 02:06:37,530
Motion passes.

1458
02:06:40,380 --> 02:06:42,800
Item 5.2 is the license agreement

1459
02:06:42,800 --> 02:06:43,960
for the Winona tour boat.

1460
02:06:43,960 --> 02:06:51,100
It's Council to prove the life-discrimination authorization to execute the same second motion from Steve second from Sam any discussion

1461
02:06:51,980 --> 02:06:52,460
Jeff

1462
02:06:54,060 --> 02:06:55,020
So Patrick

1463
02:06:55,900 --> 02:07:00,020
In looking at this one, you know, I see that it was when I looked through it

1464
02:07:00,020 --> 02:07:07,220
It's you know, I think a three-year agreement if I'm not mistaken and I'm noticing that they're we're trying to be consistent like the boat club

1465
02:07:07,220 --> 02:07:13,280
The and one of the other ones that came before us tonight they had a 3% increase in fees and what have you

1466
02:07:14,020 --> 02:07:26,200
This one had a change in fee, but I didn't see that it was a three percent. I so I guess I'm wondering is this is this pretty much in line with what we're trying to do with all of these as far as uniform and is it a three percent for your increase?

1467
02:07:26,680 --> 02:07:27,780
That's their pain up front.

1468
02:07:28,020 --> 02:07:34,640
Mary and council, it's it's either a three percent or four percent increase, but that is in line with with everything else.

1469
02:07:34,980 --> 02:07:40,700
Okay, I think it was just written differently. It just had lump sum. It didn't have that piece in there.

1470
02:07:40,700 --> 02:07:46,320
So that's that's what drew my curiosity and so okay, great. Thank you

1471
02:07:47,100 --> 02:07:49,560
Thanks, yeah any other questions

1472
02:07:52,390 --> 02:07:54,610
Random math four percent

1473
02:07:56,610 --> 02:08:04,730
Any other countless questions no, thank you Patrick hearing none all those in favor say aye. Aye opposed

1474
02:08:05,670 --> 02:08:06,750
motion passes

1475
02:08:07,670 --> 02:08:12,270
Item 5.3 is a Mississippi Riverfront trail letter of no objection

1476
02:08:12,270 --> 02:08:18,490
We can also prove the request second motion from Steve second from Sam

1477
02:08:19,270 --> 02:08:20,490
We have a presentation

1478
02:08:21,190 --> 02:08:22,550
From staff here

1479
02:08:27,860 --> 02:08:32,520
in council wall Brad brings up the presentation. Nick Larson was going to present tonight

1480
02:08:32,520 --> 02:08:36,260
but Nick had to leave work early today and

1481
02:08:38,720 --> 02:08:39,400
Since

1482
02:08:41,900 --> 02:08:42,880
Lucy is retired

1483
02:08:43,600 --> 02:08:49,340
No, no offense to Brian DeFrang, I think

1484
02:08:50,080 --> 02:08:58,920
I have been in the most river Mississippi Riverfront Trail meetings, and so if it sounds like I'm reading next presentation, it's because I am.

1485
02:08:59,380 --> 02:09:04,080
I certainly haven't understanding the project, but here we go.

1486
02:09:05,460 --> 02:09:18,160
Mississippi Riverfront Trail is a project listed in the 2007 2045 Comprehensive Plan, along with the 2020 Downtown Strategic Plan 2018 Comprehensive Parks System Plan.

1487
02:09:18,880 --> 02:09:22,320
Riverfront Trail was rated as the highest influential project identified by the

1488
02:09:22,320 --> 02:09:27,040
subcommittee members who worked on the influential project chapter of the city's

1489
02:09:27,040 --> 02:09:31,100
current comprehensive plan. City has been working on the Riverfront Trail for

1490
02:09:31,100 --> 02:09:35,760
nearly 17 years. In overlooked aspect of this project is highlighting the

1491
02:09:35,760 --> 02:09:39,880
businesses that line the Riverfront of Mississippi River. Mississippi Riverfront

1492
02:09:39,880 --> 02:09:42,780
Trail will provide the opportunity for residents and visitors to enjoy the

1493
02:09:42,780 --> 02:09:48,060
vibrant beauty of the river and bluffs and take in rich heritage of our

1494
02:09:48,060 --> 02:09:52,400
riverfront businesses when one has. With Mississippi Riverfront Trail, we'll showcase

1495
02:09:52,400 --> 02:09:56,240
the natural beauty of Winona via catalyst for future development to provide more

1496
02:09:56,240 --> 02:09:58,540
options for people who live work and play.

1497
02:10:08,870 --> 02:10:10,590
The history of Winona, of course, as we

1498
02:10:10,590 --> 02:10:14,670
taught about is tied to the river. Of course, you can tell that by this in the app

1499
02:10:14,670 --> 02:10:18,650
there's a lot of businesses along the riverfront. The Port Authority has been

1500
02:10:18,650 --> 02:10:24,070
I'm working with WHKS and Bar Engineering to engineer and design phase one of the Mississippi River Front Trail.

1501
02:10:24,490 --> 02:10:39,590
Phase one of the Mississippi River Front Trail is being designed as a 10 foot multi-purpose, non-motorized trail that provide a safe, accessible route along the Mississippi River from Lobby Park to Lions Park to residents, tourists, family, students in our workforce to utilize and enjoy.

1502
02:10:40,470 --> 02:10:47,450
Phase one of the Mississippi River Front Trail is designed to start under the highway, 43 interstate bridge allowing access to the flyway trail.

1503
02:10:47,450 --> 02:10:54,570
leading to Wisconsin, then east through Levy Park, along the river side of the flood wall by

1504
02:10:54,570 --> 02:11:00,670
Bay State, and on top of the Levy across properties owned by U.S. Fish and Wildlife, Andy Loaths,

1505
02:11:01,430 --> 02:11:07,970
and at the end of Liberty Street, Northern State's power, the Winona Marina, and RTP, and then we

1506
02:11:07,970 --> 02:11:09,450
connect to Lyons Park.

1507
02:11:11,890 --> 02:11:16,170
All the segments with the exception of Winona Marina are designed directly

1508
02:11:16,170 --> 02:11:27,930
on the bank of the Mississippi River that went on the marina the trail is designed to go inland and on the land side of the flood wall as depicted by the purple dots on the map.

1509
02:11:37,030 --> 02:11:42,690
The 60% design plans are ready to be submitted to the Army Corps of Engineers for their section 408 review.

1510
02:11:43,130 --> 02:11:53,730
The letter of no objection is part of the submittal package. During the Army Corps of Engineers review they will provide input on the design which will guide the final engineering design of phase 1

1511
02:11:53,730 --> 02:11:59,330
the Mississippi Riverfront Trail. Army Corps of Engineers Review of 60 percent design plans could

1512
02:11:59,330 --> 02:12:00,650
take up to seven months.

1513
02:12:03,840 --> 02:12:08,660
So the design next steps were at 60 percent plans for the U.S. Corps of

1514
02:12:08,660 --> 02:12:15,180
Engineers Review. Again 90 percent design plans for the Corps of Engineer Review were estimating that

1515
02:12:15,180 --> 02:12:21,780
100 percent bid documents will be ready by summer of 27 and commence construction summer fall of 27.

1516
02:12:21,780 --> 02:12:23,980
And we would like to do that sooner if possible.

1517
02:12:24,640 --> 02:12:28,280
That would be the goal that this review is done or completed

1518
02:12:28,280 --> 02:12:28,820
earlier.

1519
02:12:29,880 --> 02:12:31,860
As a reminder, we have state funding.

1520
02:12:32,480 --> 02:12:34,040
There's 2 million of bond funding.

1521
02:12:34,040 --> 02:12:36,760
It was appropriated to the city for construction of phase one

1522
02:12:36,760 --> 02:12:40,540
of the Monsieur Front Trail from Lubby Park to Lions Park in 2020.

1523
02:12:41,140 --> 02:12:44,820
The grant agreement was executed in December of 24.

1524
02:12:45,820 --> 02:12:48,360
The grant monies can only be used for construction,

1525
02:12:48,600 --> 02:12:49,860
not design or engineering.

1526
02:12:50,660 --> 02:13:02,800
We did receive an additional 5 million of bond funding that was appropriated the city for final design engineering and construction of a bridge to go between Chestnut and Carimona streets in 2023.

1527
02:13:03,500 --> 02:13:09,080
The city requested a legislative language change to the 5 million dollar appropriations spring of 26.

1528
02:13:10,080 --> 02:13:13,380
Request was approved during the 2026 legislative session.

1529
02:13:14,180 --> 02:13:18,080
The request was to remove the bridge language and allow the monies to be used for a trail

1530
02:13:18,080 --> 02:13:21,740
segment to connect portions of the Mississippi River Front Trail between Lovey and Lions Park.

1531
02:13:22,480 --> 02:13:28,120
Additionally, the request was to allow the use of any unspent monies from the $5 million

1532
02:13:28,680 --> 02:13:35,300
appropriation to extend the trail downriver after Lovey Park to Lions Park portion is complete.

1533
02:13:37,220 --> 02:13:41,440
The amended legislative language still allows for the $5 million appropriation to be used

1534
02:13:41,440 --> 02:13:46,280
for final design engineering construction, staff expects to bring the $5 million grant

1535
02:13:46,280 --> 02:13:48,660
agreement to a future council meeting for consideration.

1536
02:13:50,340 --> 02:13:54,920
City does need to enter and release our easement agreements with the property owners to use

1537
02:13:54,920 --> 02:13:55,760
the bond funding.

1538
02:13:56,300 --> 02:14:01,680
We do have easements secured with Bay State, U.S. Fish and Wildlife for two Kansas and three

1539
02:14:01,680 --> 02:14:04,980
Kansas, 30 Liberty, Northern States, power.

1540
02:14:04,980 --> 02:14:10,320
The easements that we're still seeking and needed are with Phenomenar Marina and RTP.

1541
02:14:12,020 --> 02:14:17,580
So again, the map, again, is just to show the different segments of phase one, to show

1542
02:14:17,580 --> 02:14:20,680
really where those easements are located.

1543
02:14:24,720 --> 02:14:26,740
This is just segment by segment.

1544
02:14:26,900 --> 02:14:34,200
I'll go through these pretty quick, but this is starting at Levy Park going to Lyons Park.

1545
02:14:34,200 --> 02:14:38,480
The yellow depicts where phase one of the Mississippi River Front Trail is designed to begin.

1546
02:14:39,260 --> 02:14:42,440
It will be on the riverside of the flood wall at Bay State.

1547
02:14:42,880 --> 02:14:46,880
The top photo is the view from Cal Fremling Drive looking east.

1548
02:14:47,680 --> 02:14:52,360
The bottom photo is the view from the east end of the flood wall at Bay State looking back towards

1549
02:14:52,360 --> 02:14:53,020
This is Lovey Park.

1550
02:14:53,660 --> 02:14:54,760
You can call from me and drive.

1551
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:06,640
Our front trail is being designed on the levee at Bay State. Photo shows the view looking downriver

1552
02:15:06,640 --> 02:15:08,940
from the east end of the flood wall at Bay State.

1553
02:15:11,670 --> 02:15:13,750
The red and green lines indicate where

1554
02:15:13,750 --> 02:15:19,310
phase one of the Mississippi River front trail is being designed on the levee at the U.S.

1555
02:15:19,410 --> 02:15:24,590
Fish and Wildlife properties at two Kansas on the left and three Kansas on the right.

1556
02:15:30,850 --> 02:15:31,370
Photos

1557
02:15:31,370 --> 02:15:35,050
Levy at two Kansas and three Kansas toward 30 Liberty Street.

1558
02:15:37,220 --> 02:15:38,520
Green line indicates where

1559
02:15:38,520 --> 02:15:43,340
phase one of the Missouri River Front Trail is being designed on the Levy at 30 Liberty

1560
02:15:43,340 --> 02:15:49,460
Street. The bottom photo shows the view looking downriver from 30 Liberty Street. The top photo

1561
02:15:49,460 --> 02:15:52,060
shows the view looking downriver from Northern States Power.

1562
02:15:54,360 --> 02:15:55,600
The green and purple lines indicate

1563
02:15:55,600 --> 02:16:00,440
where phase one of the Missouri Front Trail is being designed on the Levy at Northern States

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02:16:00,440 --> 02:16:05,340
power's property. Photo shows the view from Northern States power property looking east toward

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02:16:05,340 --> 02:16:05,900
the marina.

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02:16:10,070 --> 02:16:13,970
Again, the dotted purple line indicates the area where phase one of the

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02:16:13,970 --> 02:16:19,950
mysterious trails proposed to be at the one on a marina property. The segment of the trail

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02:16:19,950 --> 02:16:25,230
is proposed to be at grade on the landslide of the flood wall and then connected to the trail segment

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02:16:25,230 --> 02:16:31,010
to the east highlighted in blue. The rendering depicts the layout of the trail from Northern States power

1570
02:16:31,010 --> 02:16:34,870
to Winona Marina and then on to RTP.

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02:16:38,990 --> 02:16:40,550
Blue line indicates for phase one of the

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02:16:40,550 --> 02:16:46,210
Mississippi of Front Trails being designed to go from Winona Marina to Miller

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02:16:46,210 --> 02:16:49,030
Waist Mills then to Lyons Park.

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02:16:51,740 --> 02:16:53,620
Blue line indicates for phase one of the

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02:16:53,620 --> 02:16:58,600
trails being designed for Miller Waist Mills to Lyons Park. The east end mark of

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02:16:58,600 --> 02:17:00,780
phase one of the Mississippi River Front Trail.

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02:17:03,450 --> 02:17:05,390
As noted in the 2018 comprehensive

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02:17:05,390 --> 02:17:09,710
a park system plan, future segments of the trail are envisioned to go along the levee to

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02:17:09,710 --> 02:17:14,670
when owner knitting mills, and then traverse on city streets to the east end boat harbor,

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02:17:15,330 --> 02:17:20,290
at which point the trail would go on to the levee again at Shides Creek, and eventually to highway

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02:17:20,290 --> 02:17:27,030
60 or highway 14 and 61, providing a connection to additional recreational trails in the Mississippi

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02:17:27,910 --> 02:17:34,370
River Trail or MRT. Now you may be wondering why I took you through each segment is because of

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02:17:34,370 --> 02:17:42,790
And the motion before you is to send this to this letter of no objection to the core.

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02:17:42,970 --> 02:17:46,810
What we're asking and what the core wants to know from the city is that we have no objection

1585
02:17:46,810 --> 02:17:50,010
putting a trail on the levee is basically what they're asking.

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02:17:50,350 --> 02:17:55,650
So, we're required to show you where the trail is being designed to go, that is the intent

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02:17:55,650 --> 02:17:56,310
of the letter.

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02:17:56,310 --> 02:17:57,210
with

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02:17:59,290 --> 02:18:03,470
that. Any questions? I'm happy to take them.

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02:18:04,350 --> 02:18:04,650
George?

1591
02:18:05,330 --> 02:18:09,930
I just want to thank Mike Chikinowski for his work on this.

1592
02:18:10,590 --> 02:18:15,790
For the authority chairman, and this has been a project to his for years.

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02:18:15,790 --> 02:18:20,650
He's always been talking about, and even at events, he goes and he talks about it.

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02:18:21,130 --> 02:18:26,010
And Chad, you are at the one where he was asking the group, I may come to you for some fun.

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02:18:26,010 --> 02:18:29,510
So, yeah, good work, Mike.

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02:18:29,750 --> 02:18:30,130
Any

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02:18:32,530 --> 02:18:34,030
other comments at all?

1598
02:18:35,550 --> 02:18:39,450
I'd like to just clarify, in that last slide there,

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02:18:39,590 --> 02:18:45,570
there was no trail on Sarnia.

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02:18:47,840 --> 02:18:49,600
We were talking about Sarnia all night.

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02:18:50,920 --> 02:18:52,080
I pulled up the bikeway map.

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02:18:55,120 --> 02:18:56,560
Sarnia is...

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02:18:56,560 --> 02:19:06,300
So that is our priority for, what would you call it, connected micro-mobility?

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02:19:06,640 --> 02:19:08,260
I don't know, alternative transportation.

1605
02:19:09,280 --> 02:19:12,140
Can you bring that slide back up please?

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02:19:17,180 --> 02:19:18,040
Last slide please.

1607
02:19:18,340 --> 02:19:18,780
No, that was it.

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02:19:19,160 --> 02:19:19,660
Oh, that is.

1609
02:19:19,900 --> 02:19:20,020
Okay.

1610
02:19:20,920 --> 02:19:28,600
This comes from the 2018-19 Comprehensive Parks Plan.

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02:19:28,600 --> 02:19:37,320
It puts the priorities, the numbers and letters are the priority for the city to create

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02:19:37,320 --> 02:19:40,520
trail connections within the city of Winona.

1613
02:19:42,600 --> 02:19:43,920
So 3A,

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02:19:47,600 --> 02:19:53,940
so this trail is going from Levy Park to Lyon's Park.

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02:19:54,940 --> 02:19:59,840
So it's completing priority 3A of the comprehensive park's plan.

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02:20:01,080 --> 02:20:04,880
segment 2B is already completed with the fly away trail.

1617
02:20:07,560 --> 02:20:08,420
The Comprehensive Parks

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02:20:08,420 --> 02:20:17,080
Plan says we should connect from Levy Park to Lake Lodge and from Lake Lodge

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02:20:17,080 --> 02:20:20,020
other connections to the MRT and the Bluff traverse.

1620
02:20:22,910 --> 02:20:24,230
The Comprehensive Park Plan

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02:20:24,230 --> 02:20:28,410
also says that 3A should be continued further east as I mentioned the

1622
02:20:28,410 --> 02:20:34,890
presentation to at some point which you know is a heavy lift connect to

1623
02:20:34,890 --> 02:20:43,850
sugar loaf. The other priorities are internal trail systems with another

1624
02:20:43,850 --> 02:20:49,770
large extension that goes out to Prairie Island and the 7B. The intent

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02:20:49,770 --> 02:20:54,050
through the comprehensive park plan was the community said we needed a continuous

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02:20:54,050 --> 02:20:58,650
loop of trail through the city connecting to other park record resources.

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02:21:00,010 --> 02:21:07,570
and the priorities are being started in order at least so 1, a, 2, a, and now on 3.

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02:21:07,930 --> 02:21:13,030
I just want to make note of that. Notice how there's nothing else on the other.

1629
02:21:14,210 --> 02:21:16,190
You're right. Just mentioning it.

1630
02:21:16,870 --> 02:21:22,130
Any other comments, questions, discussion? Hearing none, all those in favor say aye.

1631
02:21:22,610 --> 02:21:25,050
Aye. Opposed? Motion passes.

1632
02:21:30,750 --> 02:21:47,970
I will be very quickly here. I just have two things. I was digging through some papers that I had, and my father had newspaper clippings that he saved, and I came across one here from March of 1971.

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02:21:49,530 --> 02:21:59,410
In 1971, I was a senior at Carter High School, pushing for graduation in the spring.

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02:22:00,230 --> 02:22:07,990
Councilmember Haima was a freshman in high school, and Councilman Jerome Christensen would

1635
02:22:07,990 --> 02:22:11,150
have been one year out of high school or two years.

1636
02:22:11,630 --> 02:22:13,250
One year, okay.

1637
02:22:13,250 --> 02:22:21,050
And for everybody out there, the rest of our people here at the table of my council colleagues, they weren't even born yet.

1638
02:22:21,730 --> 02:22:25,490
So this was 1971, including our manager.

1639
02:22:26,310 --> 02:22:28,290
Anyway, just happened to find this.

1640
02:22:28,430 --> 02:22:35,070
And at that particular time in 1971, Jerome, you may remember, we had the issue of urban renewal.

1641
02:22:35,930 --> 02:22:40,770
It was taking down the blocks on 2nd Street, 1, 2, 3, 4 blocks.

1642
02:22:40,770 --> 02:22:50,110
I was working at Western Gas Station, $28.00 a gallon, $0.60 an hour, which was good money I couldn't spend at all.

1643
02:22:50,670 --> 02:22:58,430
Anyway, the issue was there, and they wanted to tear these buildings down, they wanted to renovate your downtowns,

1644
02:22:58,810 --> 02:23:03,850
and it became a controversial issue for those that would happen to remember that.

1645
02:23:03,850 --> 02:23:10,110
Adolf Braemer at that time was the publisher of the one on a daily news and he

1646
02:23:10,110 --> 02:23:16,090
was always trying to take the City Council to task. He was a reporter, well

1647
02:23:16,090 --> 02:23:20,150
actually he was the editor, the big guy there, but every now and he would take

1648
02:23:20,150 --> 02:23:26,290
City Council to task. Anyway, he wrote this article. Council commended for

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02:23:26,290 --> 02:23:35,690
renewal vote. The City Council should be commended for their renewal vote. Number if he had two

1650
02:23:35,690 --> 02:23:42,170
counts of it, it's the right count. First of all, he acknowledges that, I got to get close

1651
02:23:42,170 --> 02:23:49,750
with my eyes here, first for acknowledging the major renovation projects of this kind are legitimate,

1652
02:23:49,750 --> 02:23:57,490
concrete or concern of citizens, and if they become controversial, that the

1653
02:23:57,490 --> 02:24:03,590
citizens should be involved in resolving these issues. And number two,

1654
02:24:04,030 --> 02:24:08,870
simply just said that the council should be commended for taking the stand that

1655
02:24:08,870 --> 02:24:15,650
the Urban Renewal vote should be given to let the entire city vote on this

1656
02:24:15,650 --> 02:24:22,350
not just affected areas. Now what they had to do then is they had to petition the state

1657
02:24:22,350 --> 02:24:28,350
of Minnesota to get permission to do a referendum and of course there was no money involved

1658
02:24:28,350 --> 02:24:35,590
just having permission to do this project. So you know go back to there and then also

1659
02:24:36,110 --> 02:24:43,850
he says that he hopes that the legislature approves the bill and suggested it's a suggestion

1660
02:24:43,850 --> 02:24:52,750
by the council. Now, that year, I don't know how that referendum went. It was that year I was

1661
02:24:52,750 --> 02:25:00,130
17 years old and I really didn't care how it went. It was no interest of mine. I had my fancy

1662
02:25:00,130 --> 02:25:08,090
sports car and I could care less how the renewal vote went and I was 17 years. I might have been 18

1663
02:25:08,090 --> 02:25:12,770
already, but this was of no interest to me, but different of course today.

1664
02:25:13,530 --> 02:25:18,550
And just on a sad note, I'd like to offer condolences to the family of Richard Carneth,

1665
02:25:18,590 --> 02:25:20,930
Captain Richard Carneth, as we know him.

1666
02:25:21,470 --> 02:25:27,250
He taught middle school, junior high school in Winona for many years, and he followed the

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02:25:27,250 --> 02:25:29,650
family tradition, his father and grandfather.

1668
02:25:30,130 --> 02:25:37,030
He became a riverboat captain, he piloted the Delta Queen, the American Queen, and many

1669
02:25:37,030 --> 02:25:43,750
the other river boats that the company had and his skill to knowledge of the river is definitely

1670
02:25:45,630 --> 02:25:52,610
very very strong. He knew it from St. Louis all the way to Minneapolis. Thank you.

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02:25:53,030 --> 02:25:55,430
Thanks George. Appreciate it. Council Member Young.

1672
02:25:55,810 --> 02:26:02,570
In the interest of time. No. Okay. Council Member Haima. I was going to read into the record war and

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02:26:02,570 --> 02:26:03,090
piece.

1674
02:26:05,470 --> 02:26:10,410
Just one thing, just to reiterate, we talked about it last time, or maybe two times

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02:26:10,410 --> 02:26:17,930
ago. I'm increasingly getting questions in regards to e-bikes, motorized vehicles on

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02:26:17,930 --> 02:26:23,830
the trails and on sidewalks, and I think we were talking about researching what is already

1677
02:26:23,830 --> 02:26:29,710
on the books, and then perhaps having discussion as to what we feel is appropriate. It was

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02:26:29,710 --> 02:26:38,030
by the comment or the presentation about the Riverfront Trail where it said it was for non-motorized vehicles.

1679
02:26:38,710 --> 02:26:43,330
So that's what reminded me to say, yeah, we still need to look into that. Thank you.

1680
02:26:43,770 --> 02:26:44,130
Thanks, Jeff.

1681
02:26:44,890 --> 02:26:45,190
Jerome.

1682
02:26:47,450 --> 02:26:54,250
Yeah, congratulations to the Winona Municipal Band, completing another summer season.

1683
02:26:54,250 --> 02:26:57,550
They started out wet and finished up strong.

1684
02:26:58,690 --> 02:27:06,150
And a particular note that Frank and Ruth Burris joined the band in 1979.

1685
02:27:07,570 --> 02:27:22,890
That was when George would have been 25, 25, and they finally closed their clarinet cases.

1686
02:27:22,890 --> 02:27:29,690
this is this season so thank you Joe thank you Frank thank you Ruth Ruth

1687
02:27:29,690 --> 02:27:37,670
also tried to teach my my daughter Clarenette and failed gloriously but it was a

1688
02:27:37,670 --> 02:27:42,850
great season. Thanks, Phil. Counselors, you're an introvert. Welcome back to

1689
02:27:42,850 --> 02:27:50,390
students. semester starts at WSU next Monday so a big warm welcome to all of our

1690
02:27:50,390 --> 02:27:51,910
new and returning students.

1691
02:27:52,950 --> 02:27:53,290
Very good.

1692
02:27:53,630 --> 02:27:54,010
Thanks, Sam.

1693
02:27:54,710 --> 02:27:55,590
Helps my verdict.

1694
02:27:56,050 --> 02:27:56,850
No, nothing tonight.

1695
02:27:57,010 --> 02:27:57,270
Thank you.

1696
02:27:57,470 --> 02:27:57,630
Very good.

1697
02:27:57,830 --> 02:27:58,030
Thanks.

1698
02:28:00,540 --> 02:28:03,900
Under the consent agenda, we have six items.

1699
02:28:04,460 --> 02:28:08,000
First is the approval of the August 3rd, 2026 meeting minutes.

1700
02:28:08,780 --> 02:28:14,200
Next is the final adoption of the ordinance for handicapped parking at St. Charles Street.

1701
02:28:14,840 --> 02:28:19,560
We also have the final adoption of the ordinance for handicapped parking at East Broadway.

1702
02:28:19,560 --> 02:28:24,880
away followed by the final adoption of the ordinance for handicapped parking at East

1703
02:28:24,880 --> 02:28:31,680
3rd Street. And then 8.5 is followed by the final adoption of the ordinance for 15-minute

1704
02:28:31,680 --> 02:28:37,400
parking at East 3rd Street. And lastly, the final adoption of the ordinance for the 15-minute

1705
02:28:37,400 --> 02:28:39,980
and handicapped parking at 79 West 3rd Street.

1706
02:28:40,200 --> 02:28:42,160
Will the council approve the consent agenda?

1707
02:28:43,200 --> 02:28:47,740
Second. Motion from Steve. Second from Durham. All those in favor. Say aye.

1708
02:28:47,740 --> 02:28:49,400
Aye. Aye. Aye. Opposed?

1709
02:28:50,720 --> 02:28:54,740
May your time being 8.58 pm.

1710
02:28:56,480 --> 02:28:57,680
I move with adjourned.

1711
02:28:58,340 --> 02:29:01,320
Motion from George, second from Sieve. All those in favor say aye.

1712
02:29:01,600 --> 02:29:03,060
Aye. Aye. Meeting adjourned.

1713
02:29:03,300 --> 02:29:03,760
Thanks, everybody.