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All right, let's start at the meeting.

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You guys ready?

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>> Yeah.

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Uh, and you need us to introduce our

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everyone so you have the names or do you

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>> It's up to you.

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>> Well,

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we'll do that. We got Matt on the end.

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>> We got Brian.

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>> We got Ruby.

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>> Hi.

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>> We got John. We got Mike. And we got

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Revy.

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>> So, all right. So, we'll get started. Uh

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any changes to the agendas

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or not? Move on to public comment.

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Anyone online?

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>> No.

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>> Move on from that. Approve previous

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meeting minutes for those who were here.

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Was everyone here at the last meeting?

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>> I think so.

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>> Yeah.

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>> Um do I have a motion to approve the

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minutes as presented or

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>> there's any changes?

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>> So move to approve.

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>> Okay.

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>> I'll second.

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>> Second. Are there any progression,

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changes, additions?

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Hearing none, all in favor, please say

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>> Anyone opposed? Anyone want to say?

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>> Okay, there it is. And we're all voting,

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by the way.

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>> Uh, let me see.

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Oh, reorganization. Oh,

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Mr. Mayor,

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Mr. Chair. So every year we we elect a

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new chair, a vice chair, and a secretary

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treasur secretary. I guess there's going

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to treasure because we don't

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>> chair, vice chair, secretary. Secretary

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is always optional.

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>> Yeah. Yeah.

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>> Yeah.

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We haven't had one in a while.

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» Everybody takes the minutes.

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if anyone wants to make a motion for

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chair, if anyone's interested,

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I've been the chair for I don't know how

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long, and if someone else wants to step

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in, that's fine. But, um, it's your

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prerogative. Whatever you want to do,

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I'll make a motion for you to be chair.

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I'll second.

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>> Any other nominations from the from the

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commission? No. Second up. So, all in

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favor?

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>> I can't vote.

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How about vice chair? Anyone interested

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in being the vice chair? Consider it.

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Okay. Do I have a motion for John?

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>> I'll nominate John.

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>> I'll second.

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>> Second. Any further discussion or other

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nominations? Hearing none. All in favor

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of John as vice chair, please say I.

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>> Opposed?

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>> Extensions. Okay.

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>> Wow.

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>> Anyone want to volunteer to be

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secretary?

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Don't everyone jump up

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a little warm. [clears throat]

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>> It's your job as mayor.

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>> Always needing something.

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>> What's that?

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>> Always somebody else's job.

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>> Yeah. Always someone else.

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>> Okay. So, that's done. Uh planning and

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zoning update.

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>> Yes. Yeah. So, I sent this around a

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couple weeks ago, so it is a little

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dated now. Uh, but I realized I hadn't

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done one of these in a while, and I

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typically I don't know how it's it's my

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infrequent regular planning and zoning

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update. [laughter]

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Uh, so in here, I just went over all the

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permits that have been issued in the

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city and FY16.

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breakdown of the permits issued. Um so

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50 zoning permits issued in total in

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FY26. So from uh July 2025 to end of

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June 2026. Um permits for 15 dwelling

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units, seven of which are located in 259

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>> Which one is 259 Main? At

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>> Yeah, it's the brand new one. Yeah. Yep.

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priority housing or for inclusionary

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housing projects. Um, don't think I

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remember correctly, no permits for like

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three-bedroom houses, anything like

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that. Um, permits mainly for ADUs

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um, and for uh, the 259 Main Street,

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which is one bedrooms and I think one

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twobedroom if I'm correctly.

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uh six permits uh required review and

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approval by the local resource advisory

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board. So local resource advisory board

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was established

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in March 2024 I want to say. Um, so at

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that time, Mike, you can probably

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provide more information about this cuz

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this was before my time that the city

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decided to establish a historic district

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in a sense um and establish a list of uh

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structures that are considered historic.

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report done by VHB in 2020 and 2021. Uh,

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that report will used our state historic

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register as a foundation and then

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collected some information mainly

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dashboard surveys of structures uh and

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provided recommendations to the city on

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how uh and methods to preserve these

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structures in the long term. Uh so the

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city took that on and decided to

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establish a local historic register and

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an additional review process for any

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improvements to historic structures. Um

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this means that say for like a roof

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replacement project um typically roof

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replacements do not require a zoning

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permit. They would only require a

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building permit. However, if you if you

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own a historic building and it's listed

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on the local historic register, that

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would require a zoning permit uh review

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by the local resource advisory board and

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then the a building permit. Uh so it's

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an additional step for those historic

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buildings to make sure that the historic

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nature is being uh retained and

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maintained over time. Um so so they've

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had uh they've reviewed roof

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replacements, roof repairs, porch

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repairs, and window replacements. Um, so

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primarily projects that uh for

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non-historic structures would not have

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required zoning. Um, but they've had

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some interesting meetings about larger

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projects uh that went had to go through

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zoning anyways and required GRB review

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and approval. Um, and they provided some

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uh some input in those projects that

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otherwise would not have been there um

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previous to March of 2024.

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anything? Because that's kind of a new

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thing. I know like New York seating

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stuff, landmarks and stuff is always

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contentious. I'm just curious.

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pains. Uh [laughter]

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to say the least

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most of the property owners didn't know

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that their properties were listed.

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we sent out a notice to every single

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property owner letting them know that

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their property is listed and then we had

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uh one of our open houses that featured

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historic preservation and invited them

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to attend so they could ask um members

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of the local resource advisory board

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about their property, why it's

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significant, why it's listed. Um and

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even that has had some interesting

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hiccups too.

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Um just because uh it's so the the local

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historic register in includes structures

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that aren't typically considered

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historic, meaning that they're not older

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interesting uh conversations and quirks.

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And I I know that some of the people who

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got the letters were very confused about

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what it meant. I can't remember if it

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was because it said you've got a

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historic structure and if you do

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anything you have to

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>> Is it the same national registry?

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>> It is similar to but not uh the same.

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Um, so if a building is I think ours

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might be a little looser. Let me just

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pull up the language so that way I can

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read it out. [laughter]

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>> Know there's a house on Florida Avenue

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that we have to add to it.

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>> This all the stuff you learn at the

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polls, you know.

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yeah, so historic structures are just

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are it appears to be if they're um

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evaluated by a qualified historic

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preservation consultant and they

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determine the significance and they ask

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the local resource advisory board to

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have their property listed, then the

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local resource advisory board can

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recommend to you to have that property

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listed. Um so the uh local historic

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registered is register is embedded in

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our zoning regulations meaning that to

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list a property requires a change in the

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zoning regulations and to remove a

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property requires a change in the zoning

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regulations.

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Um so so so that's the entire process in

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a nutshell. There's no age requirement

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like with state historic register uh

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qualifying structures or national

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historic register qualifying structures.

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Um it would just require an evaluation

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by a consult by historic preservation

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consultant and a review by the local

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resource advisory board before it goes

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into the amendment process with you.

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individually like properties whether or

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not they get added or removed. That is a

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great question that I think the board is

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still figuring out too. So, it's it's a bit odd and I think it'll come to

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you too what council's stance on it is

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at the end of the day. Um, from my

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understanding, um, the local resource

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advisory board isn't, uh, tasked with

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soliciting structures to be included.

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like they're not reaching out to

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property owners and saying, "Hey, we

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think your building is important. You

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should get this evaluated or or anything

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like that. Um it's it's more of a if a

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property owner wants the building to be

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listed, then they can go through the

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process to have it being listed.

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But if there's a house that's supposed

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to be [clears throat] demoed

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and it's a older structure that may not

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be on on a list, do they have the the right or the ability to

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look at it and say, "Wait a minute. This should not be torn down because

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it's historic for whatever reason."

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>> Not at the moment.

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>> Okay.

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So that's again like another piece with

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the

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>> with [laughter] council kind of

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considering this too. But I I think I

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would consider this to be a little bit

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too heavy-handed to have because for for

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Wooki that could cover most of the

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structures in the city. Um, so then that

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would mean that's a demo structure would

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require uh some sort of review by the

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historic resource advisory board before

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it could even go forward, which um I

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don't think we're trying to encourage. I

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think that the way that I see it is that

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we'd want to preserve our landmarks and

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the foundational elements to that

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recognize historic character,

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>> but I I think that

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>> so so a little background. Sorry. Go

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ahead.

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>> One concern that

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I had had a former mayor had had with

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this is we're given a list of a lot of

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properties that could be considered

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historic.

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And some of them to say it nicely did

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not look great anymore. So my concern

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is, are we going to preserve something

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because it's old

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but it's falling into disrepair?

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>> If we were like a city that had like

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money to throw at it and be like, we're

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going to make this look like it did

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beautifully in its heyday in 1840,

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great. But if we can't do that,

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I'm wary of preserving a property that

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then could get torn down when in reality

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it should get torn down because it

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[clears throat] is already falling down.

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Now, if something is beautiful and you

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know, somebody very important live there

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or something like that, that's

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different. Like that falls into like

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historic property, it's pretty obvious.

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But like I want to make sure we're not

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just preserving [clears throat] old

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homes just because they're old. They're

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old and there's a reason for them to be

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preserved. That's I love that big

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history buff.

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>> But just for old sake, that's not what

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I'm looking to do. So,

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>> just so you know, some of the kind of

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happened [clears throat] when we were

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talking.

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>> Yeah. I'll also add that in Rooki too,

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so much change has happened over time

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with many houses that many historical

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elements have been lost to time like

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original sighting um for many houses or vinyl siding that's now on a house

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that could that that qualified by age um

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or additions to um front facades that

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affect the interpretation of the

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building. So you can't even tell whether

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it's really historic or not at the end

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of the day. Um so that that makes uh

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preservation challenging. Um and

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arguments for preservation challenging

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for some properties in the city.

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And as background, what happened when I

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think it was in 2015 or so when we redid

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zoning, we had in there about historic

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structures and you had to get approval

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of the state historic

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preservation committee, whatever it was.

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The first one that came along was the

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mansion up on the corner of Mansion

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Street and Main Street.

358
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>> Uh

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the Vermont Historic people said, "Oh,

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we don't do that." sort of like

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[clears throat] what it anyway. So since

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then we've been trying to come up with

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some way to get some language in that we

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could uh save some of the really

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historic buildings.

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>> Anyway,

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>> and I thought that that um I won't say

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her name but is doing a survey. Did she

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finish the survey of of buildings? Uh it

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was going to be on a map or something.

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question.

372
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>> Yeah, we kind of started that idea of

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like I think the the direction that I

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was trying to give the board was are

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there any landmark buildings that are

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missing from the map and it kind of

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became let's just document all the

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historic buildings and I was like no no that's not the purpose of this

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exercise because if we do do that then

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we'll enter into this rabbit hole of

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like figuring out that you know 75% of

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the houses in Wooki would qualify by

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your uh by your standards. It's it's

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making sure that are we missing anything

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important and um and I and we kind of

386
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like put that on pause just because that

387
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I think the the meaning was lost with

388
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that.

389
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>> Um but I mean it goes back to like the

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like kind of like with mansion or kind

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of like with with like the Wooki blob,

392
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right? Those are landmark buildings.

393
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Um and uh it's good to know whether

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there are any other landmark buildings

395
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that were missing. Um not not just um

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sorry but houses. [laughter]

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» Okay. And and has there been any

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discussion that group about districts?

399
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You know, for example, you could say

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here's the mill district or whatever.

401
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>> Not yet. And I think that is an

402
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important discussion that we need to

403
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have.

404
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Um, so more information to come with

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that.

406
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>> Any other questions about this whole

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thing?

408
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>> I think Go ahead, Brian.

409
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>> Okay. I think you already covered this,

410
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but could you repeat like what is the

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list that of properties that are

412
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currently on the register? Is that

413
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coming from that initial like 2021 study

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or are these have these already been

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like submitted by the property owners?

416
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>> So I'll just pull up the map. Um

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so this map

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share

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and

420
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will it come? Nice. There it is. So,

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this map was adopted um back in February

422
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2024. Um this map hasn't changed since

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adoption. Um this map is based off of

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the VHB study and our state historic

425
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register. Um, so, uh, so for for the

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creation of this map, um,

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I think this is a question more for

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Mike, you Mike or or Thomas, like I

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don't I don't know if property owners

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were informed

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that they were going to be listed on

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this map. I couldn't find any record of

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it. I don't think they were

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because I think these were properties

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that were already on. There was a stud

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there was a a study done in like in the

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70s that identified um historic

438
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structures, but over time I mean if you

439
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bought one, you may not have you may not

440
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know it, you know. No. Uh and I don't

441
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think anything was done to to say, "Oh,

442
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Matt, your house, by the way, is on the

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National Register." Um it was just this

444
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map came up and if you didn't see it,

445
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well, you didn't see it. Um but then you

446
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sent a letter to everyone this summer

447
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whose properties were on it. And

448
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>> from what I understand, because my wife

449
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was on that committee,

450
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>> there were several who were surprised

451
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that their house was on the register

452
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um and didn't know what quite what it

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meant.

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So yeah, it it comes up for like most of

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the applications that come to the local

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resource advisory board. Uh when I talk

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to applicants and I tell them, "Oh,

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zoning is required for this. Your

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property's on the local historic

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register." And they're like, "What are

461
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you talking about?"

462
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Um

463
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>> so, and I I think even with the notice,

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it's still going to happen. Um because

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there are um like 90 plus properties on

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this list. Um, but I think more and

467
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more, you may or may not know that that

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the historic society um has a program

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where you can you can order a plaque to

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put on your house.

471
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>> And I'm trying to think how many again,

472
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Sue has been working on it. There must

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be 20, 30, 40 that they've sent out

474
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>> so far at least.

475
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>> Yeah. Yeah. That's cool.

476
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>> Yeah. So, um, more and more people are

477
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getting them. Mhm.

478
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>> Uh but that doesn't mean that they're on

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the national register because your house

480
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has to be over 50 years old.

481
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>> Yeah.

482
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>> You know, but everyone that she's done

483
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so far, I'm going to guess that the

484
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newest house was probably built in the

485
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20s. Most of them are 1800s and and

486
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whatnot.

487
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>> Yeah. So, yeah, there more information

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about that on this Historical Society

489
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website. You can order a plaque. What

490
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was it like 40 bucks? I think it's a

491
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hundred bucks.

492
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>> No, it's 100.

493
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>> Yeah. Well, it's the plaque and then

494
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>> you get all the research.

495
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>> S does all the research.

496
00:21:05,120 --> 00:21:07,440
>> Yeah.

497
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>> And it's perfect research, by the way.

498
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[laughter]

499
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>> I hope you heard that, S.

500
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» Anyway, sorry about that.

501
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>> No, you're good. You're good.

502
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>> Any other questions about this? Any of

503
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the properties that are listed? Uh,

504
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anyone see their house on there and they

505
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say, "What?

506
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>> Chicks is on there.

507
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>> Chicks is on."

508
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>> The weird one is down in Memorial Park,

509
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but that's on there.

510
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>> Um, can you bring that?

511
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>> Yes. So, Memorial Park is an

512
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archaeological site.

513
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>> Oh, okay.

514
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>> So, it's there is it's archaeologically

515
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significant there. I'm not aware of any

516
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structures down there, but I I am aware

517
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that it is archaeologically significant.

518
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And I think the oldest buildings in the

519
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city are the Stonehouse

520
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>> on East Allen Street, the mansion,

521
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and I'm not sure what after that would

522
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be. I I I think that the um

523
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>> Yeah, the list has it.

524
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>> Yeah. But like that it used to be the

525
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what is the RVA now

526
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>> up the hills?

527
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» I don't know that it's here on the other

528
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side of the tracks.

529
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Oh, there you go.

530
00:22:19,039 --> 00:22:20,480
>> Yeah. So, this is all in the zoning

531
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regulations if you want to take a look

532
00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:23,520
at the list.

533
00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:26,000
>> Um, and then the entire state historic

534
00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:29,679
register is on the city website. Uh, the

535
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VHB report that was done a few years

536
00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:38,789
back is also on the website.

537
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Okay.

538
00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:45,280
So, on to other topics on um that

539
00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:48,960
planning and zoning update. Um what did

540
00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:52,240
I even write? Um yeah, so

541
00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:55,679
uh permits for drawing units is way

542
00:22:55,679 --> 00:22:59,760
down. Um but Wooki historically has kind

543
00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:02,640
of had these interesting like booms and

544
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:05,360
busts every single every year. It's like

545
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there's a there's a year that's that um

546
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there are many uh houses uh permitted

547
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and then there are years that there are

548
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none and it just kind of goes up and

549
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down. Uh sometimes in alternating years.

550
00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:20,400
>> I'm going to guess recent permits have

551
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:22,400
been for multi-unit structures as

552
00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:24,000
opposed to single family. There's not

553
00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:24,799
many new

554
00:23:24,799 --> 00:23:25,280
>> Yes.

555
00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:27,760
>> single family homes being built.

556
00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:32,240
>> Yes. Yeah. Single family dwellings are

557
00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:34,960
uh few and far between. It's it's mainly

558
00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:40,640
been for um like ADUs um multi-unit

559
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:44,159
um additions that were multi-unit

560
00:23:44,159 --> 00:23:46,400
projects like that.

561
00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:49,600
Um the DRB reviewed eight projects and

562
00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:54,480
one appeal uh last year. Um and then in

563
00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:57,840
the last uh seven eight months um the

564
00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:00,559
internal process has been refined a

565
00:24:00,559 --> 00:24:02,080
bunch

566
00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:05,679
uh with more input from DPW early in the

567
00:24:05,679 --> 00:24:07,919
process rather than later. Um it's from

568
00:24:07,919 --> 00:24:10,960
my understanding that DPW is involved in

569
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:14,159
projects after zoning typically and then

570
00:24:14,159 --> 00:24:15,840
they work with the applicants or the

571
00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:17,679
developers on water sewer connections

572
00:24:17,679 --> 00:24:19,600
and things like that. Um I think there's

573
00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:22,799
been some recent complications um from

574
00:24:22,799 --> 00:24:26,559
projects. Uh so we've shifted DPW review

575
00:24:26,559 --> 00:24:28,559
to the beginning. Um and then

576
00:24:28,559 --> 00:24:31,760
determining uh completion of a zoning

577
00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:34,640
permit only after DBW's completed their

578
00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:36,799
review. Uh because that would determine

579
00:24:36,799 --> 00:24:39,440
whether uh utility impacts are being

580
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:41,360
satisfied and water wastewater

581
00:24:41,360 --> 00:24:44,159
connections are being satisfied. Um so

582
00:24:44,159 --> 00:24:47,360
that's extended our review time for for

583
00:24:47,360 --> 00:24:50,240
projects uh significantly. Um so

584
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:51,440
turnaround times for government

585
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:53,200
applications requiring public works

586
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:55,840
review can be between like 6 to 8 weeks

587
00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:59,520
at the earliest. Now, um, so for

588
00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:01,520
example, for a couple projects that the

589
00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:05,520
DRB reviewed, um, one project that the

590
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:08,080
DRB reviewed, uh, last month, I had been

591
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:09,440
in conversation with that applicant

592
00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:11,360
since January

593
00:25:11,360 --> 00:25:15,600
>> and, um, they only met kind of the basic

594
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:18,720
requirements in May and then DPW

595
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:20,720
uh, and I had a conversation and I

596
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:22,000
brought that back to the applicant. And

597
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:23,679
so there was further refinement that

598
00:25:23,679 --> 00:25:25,120
needed to happen before they were ready

599
00:25:25,120 --> 00:25:29,279
for DRB reviewed. Um similarly uh

600
00:25:29,279 --> 00:25:32,880
another project for an ADU that was um

601
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:36,240
reviewed back in I want to say April

602
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:38,400
that also that process also started in

603
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:43,200
January. Um and that and they were uh

604
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:45,679
further along in the process when they

605
00:25:45,679 --> 00:25:48,240
came to me. Uh, but that still required

606
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:49,840
some back and forth and refinement

607
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:51,919
before it could be ready for for DRB

608
00:25:51,919 --> 00:25:56,400
review. Um, overall though, it's made um

609
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:59,760
review processes with the DRB a lot more

610
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:03,840
straightforward, a lot cleaner. um like

611
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:06,799
uh the meeting uh in last month I think

612
00:26:06,799 --> 00:26:11,120
that was 25 minutes [laughter] and the

613
00:26:11,120 --> 00:26:12,799
DRV didn't really have any questions

614
00:26:12,799 --> 00:26:15,600
because we we covered all the bases

615
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:18,080
pretty much um so I think that's one of

616
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:19,840
the results out of this is even though

617
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:24,159
we are extending review times um we are

618
00:26:24,159 --> 00:26:26,000
uh stream streamlining it in certain

619
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:30,000
parts too uh to make sure that these

620
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,640
products are comprehensive and complete

621
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:34,640
before they are permitted.

622
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:37,440
>> But even 6 to 8 weeks, I mean, in the

623
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:39,520
scheme of review in the state of

624
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:42,159
Vermont, that doesn't seem too bad.

625
00:26:42,159 --> 00:26:43,279
>> You know what I mean? I mean, if you

626
00:26:43,279 --> 00:26:45,440
have to go through Act 250, that will

627
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:46,320
under your hat.

628
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:48,400
>> Yeah.

629
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:48,960
>> Right.

630
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:51,760
>> Yeah. In general, say it weeks for a

631
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:53,279
permit

632
00:26:53,279 --> 00:26:57,600
>> in a big city would be good. Mhm.

633
00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:00,080
>> Is the majority of that time to work out

634
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,640
those like back and forth questions

635
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:04,640
between the public works department and

636
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:06,720
the applicant or is there a factor of

637
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:08,880
like staff availability that's part of

638
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:09,760
that?

639
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:12,799
>> Uh a bit of both for public works. Um

640
00:27:12,799 --> 00:27:16,720
right now is their busiest season. Um so

641
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:19,600
they're uh

642
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:22,080
capacity to review projects is pretty

643
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:26,240
limited. Um, usually we sit down once a

644
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:28,559
month and just go through every single

645
00:27:28,559 --> 00:27:31,039
permit that's on my desk and and then we

646
00:27:31,039 --> 00:27:33,360
iron out all the details and then bring

647
00:27:33,360 --> 00:27:34,799
that back to the applicant and the

648
00:27:34,799 --> 00:27:36,799
applicant comes back with a revision.

649
00:27:36,799 --> 00:27:41,679
Um, so it's it's a bit of both on DBW's

650
00:27:41,679 --> 00:27:43,679
side mainly just because it's the

651
00:27:43,679 --> 00:27:49,350
summer.

652
00:27:49,360 --> 00:27:52,720
» Any other questions?

653
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,360
Okay. Um, building technologies is now

654
00:27:55,360 --> 00:27:57,520
complete. Um, that's in front of you.

655
00:27:57,520 --> 00:27:58,320
>> It is complete.

656
00:27:58,320 --> 00:27:58,960
>> It's complete.

657
00:27:58,960 --> 00:27:59,520
>> Okay.

658
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:02,399
>> Um, so yeah, a couple weeks ago when I

659
00:28:02,399 --> 00:28:05,200
was writing this memo, um, we were still

660
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,840
working out finer details in the report,

661
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:10,000
but now it's complete complete.

662
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:13,840
>> Um, if you do notice any typos or

663
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:15,200
anything like that, feel free to let me

664
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,919
know. Um,

665
00:28:17,919 --> 00:28:19,919
there's one. We'll get to it. Yeah. So,

666
00:28:19,919 --> 00:28:22,080
it's not complete. [laughter]

667
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:23,840
>> Yeah, I think they can fix a like final

668
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:25,760
typos. That's fine.

669
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:28,399
>> Yeah. Um

670
00:28:28,399 --> 00:28:31,440
I think for me, I I picked out a lot of

671
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:33,039
typos and then I just got probably got

672
00:28:33,039 --> 00:28:34,320
tunnel vision.

673
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:36,640
>> So, if you notice anything, yeah, let me

674
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,360
know. But they're open to answering any

675
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:40,880
questions that you have about the report

676
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:44,080
itself. Uh typos aside. So, if you do

677
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,559
have any questions, um, feel free to let

678
00:28:46,559 --> 00:28:48,880
me know and I can forward them on to

679
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:50,960
Jeff and Keith and they can give you an

680
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:53,360
answer.

681
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:57,840
>> So, in terms of of discussing this, I

682
00:28:57,840 --> 00:28:59,600
don't know if we have to accept this or

683
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:01,919
whatever, but we probably at the next

684
00:29:01,919 --> 00:29:04,720
meeting have a further discussion about

685
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:05,279
this.

686
00:29:05,279 --> 00:29:06,240
>> Yeah.

687
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:08,720
>> Give us time to read through this.

688
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:11,440
>> Yeah. Yeah, I think that would be good.

689
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:15,520
Um yeah, I think it' be good for you to

690
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:18,720
accept it. Um does council

691
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:20,320
>> maybe forward to maybe we have to

692
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:22,880
forward it to council for approval to

693
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:23,360
think.

694
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:26,000
>> Yeah. Yeah. I think um from what I

695
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,320
understand from me council doesn't

696
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:29,919
necessarily need to accept it or

697
00:29:29,919 --> 00:29:32,240
acknowledge it, but they do should see

698
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:35,200
it and and understand that it's been

699
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:36,960
completed and make sure that we're

700
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:40,720
operationalizing it.

701
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:43,600
What's the dumb question, but I'm going

702
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:46,880
to ask it anyway. Um,

703
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:48,960
what's the purpose of this and where's

704
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:50,399
it going to sit? I mean, it's going to

705
00:29:50,399 --> 00:29:54,080
be somehow melded into our zoning

706
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:56,640
regulations.

707
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:59,120
>> How do you envision that?

708
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:02,159
>> That is a good question for the work

709
00:30:02,159 --> 00:30:03,120
plan.

710
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:03,440
>> Okay.

711
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:05,200
>> Because it it's going to be deeply

712
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:07,520
connected to the work plan and the other

713
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:09,919
item in the work plan. So, I can You

714
00:30:09,919 --> 00:30:11,679
want me You want me to wait and hold it

715
00:30:11,679 --> 00:30:13,679
until we discuss the work plan? Okay.

716
00:30:13,679 --> 00:30:15,760
>> Yes, [laughter]

717
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:16,960
>> I can do that.

718
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:18,720
>> Thanks.

719
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:19,360
>> Um,

720
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:21,279
>> but remind me when we get there.

721
00:30:21,279 --> 00:30:24,310
>> I I'm gonna [laughter]

722
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:25,919
I'm definitely going to bring it up, so

723
00:30:25,919 --> 00:30:30,710
don't worry. [laughter]

724
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,679
Um, I think yeah, the last two things I

725
00:30:33,679 --> 00:30:38,720
have here are comp plan updates. So, uh,

726
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:42,159
the open house on July 29th, uh, was

727
00:30:42,159 --> 00:30:44,640
well attended, so thanks for coming out.

728
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:47,440
Um, and and thanks to Watt for for

729
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:49,279
tableabling and doing some marketing for

730
00:30:49,279 --> 00:30:53,600
it. Um, the next one is on August 27th,

731
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:57,440
which is Thursday. So, uh, there won't

732
00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:59,039
be a second meeting, but if you can come

733
00:30:59,039 --> 00:31:00,720
out to the open house, feel free to stop

734
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:02,799
by. It'll be focused on the safe healthy

735
00:31:02,799 --> 00:31:04,960
connected people section. uh safe

736
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:07,200
healthy connected uh the commit the safe

737
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,840
healthy connected committee

738
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:13,600
is uh going to be uh doing some

739
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:16,720
activities with that too. Um so this

740
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,039
will be u from 5 to 7 at the senior

741
00:31:19,039 --> 00:31:21,919
center and hopefully if the weather

742
00:31:21,919 --> 00:31:24,640
holds up then we can be outside. That

743
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,120
that's my goal.

744
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:29,200
Yeah.

745
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:33,039
Um and then with the uh master plan

746
00:31:33,039 --> 00:31:35,360
municipal plan, it's now expected to

747
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,640
expire at the end of 2027. So under

748
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:42,480
recently adopted act 152, any regional

749
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:44,480
or municipal plan due to expire in 2026

750
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:46,480
or 2027 shall have its expiration date

751
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:50,080
extended until December 31st, 2027. So

752
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:53,120
that gives us uh some breathing room uh

753
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:56,799
to review and uh approve the the comp

754
00:31:56,799 --> 00:32:01,120
plan. Um, but I'm still holding firm on

755
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:03,519
the original timeline uh to make sure

756
00:32:03,519 --> 00:32:07,919
that we have it adopted around March.

757
00:32:07,919 --> 00:32:12,080
Um, I think that I I'm I'm seeing this

758
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:15,279
comp plan as as a lighter update um

759
00:32:15,279 --> 00:32:16,880
based on all the work that the city has

760
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,600
done on public engagement and all the

761
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:21,360
reports and studies that they've done.

762
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:26,720
Um, so I'm but I'm very well aware that

763
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:27,919
come

764
00:32:27,919 --> 00:32:31,669
2035,

765
00:32:31,679 --> 00:32:35,200
we're going to have to do a lot of work.

766
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,600
So, it's not only on like the the

767
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:40,559
municipal plan side, but probably on the

768
00:32:40,559 --> 00:32:44,880
um bike pad plan side because that uh is

769
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:48,399
a couple years old now. And uh we have

770
00:32:48,399 --> 00:32:50,960
accomplished uh a number of items on the

771
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:56,000
bike ped uh plan. Uh and our economic

772
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,799
development strategic plan is I would

773
00:32:58,799 --> 00:33:01,840
say it's obsolete. It's from 2017. Um

774
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:05,360
it's still workable and we are still uh

775
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:08,240
using it operationally. Um but I think

776
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:11,919
by 2020 2035 it'll it'll be obsolete. So

777
00:33:11,919 --> 00:33:13,360
we're going to need to update that that

778
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:16,640
too. So, um, during the next adoption

779
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:18,320
cycle, I think it's going to be a

780
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:21,200
multi-year effort with all the different

781
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:24,799
plans that we have to need to be updated

782
00:33:24,799 --> 00:33:28,710
all at the same time.

783
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:30,559
» You guys need to be thinking about that

784
00:33:30,559 --> 00:33:34,148
in 2035 because I won't be here.

785
00:33:34,148 --> 00:33:34,799
[laughter]

786
00:33:34,799 --> 00:33:36,080
>> When you compare that to like what

787
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:37,679
Burlington's doing right now with plan

788
00:33:37,679 --> 00:33:39,200
BTV, I think they have like four

789
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:40,880
different plans that they're bundling

790
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:42,240
together in the public engagement

791
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:42,559
process.

792
00:33:42,559 --> 00:33:46,080
>> Yes. Yeah, I think by by probably 2032

793
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:47,679
2033, we're going to be in a similar

794
00:33:47,679 --> 00:33:50,799
situation as Burlington with multiple

795
00:33:50,799 --> 00:33:54,559
plans that are staggered but also all

796
00:33:54,559 --> 00:33:57,679
equally obsolete. So, it makes sense to

797
00:33:57,679 --> 00:34:01,279
think of it all uh synergistically and

798
00:34:01,279 --> 00:34:06,630
all at once.

799
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:07,440
» EV charging.

800
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:09,679
Uh yeah, the report's

801
00:34:09,679 --> 00:34:12,639
finished. uh the was finished back in

802
00:34:12,639 --> 00:34:15,839
the winter um back in February. Uh gave

803
00:34:15,839 --> 00:34:18,079
a presentation to city council um at

804
00:34:18,079 --> 00:34:20,320
that time. Uh we're still continuing to

805
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:22,320
work with CCRPC and the state on

806
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:23,839
potential EV charging installation

807
00:34:23,839 --> 00:34:27,280
funding and opportunities. So um there's

808
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:28,879
been I don't know if you've familiar

809
00:34:28,879 --> 00:34:32,960
with some news about um Vrans uh doing a

810
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:37,760
call for uh potential places for EV

811
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,960
charging. Um so I've submitted uh forms

812
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:46,960
for that for uh um Landry Park um for

813
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:51,119
Cavan. Um and

814
00:34:51,119 --> 00:34:53,520
I yeah I think for those two locations

815
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:55,520
um one of the two locations Landry Park

816
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:59,440
was scoped in our EV charging plan. Um

817
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:03,280
we have a quote for the Cassavant

818
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:08,880
um site so we understand the constraints

819
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,440
with that. Um

820
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:13,760
>> how many EV charging stations do we have

821
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:15,760
in the city right now?

822
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:17,680
>> Publicly.

823
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:20,720
>> So when in the garage I assume

824
00:35:20,720 --> 00:35:23,040
>> yes. So,

825
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:26,640
in the in the Cascade garage, I don't

826
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:29,760
remember how many plugs there are there.

827
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:31,440
Um,

828
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:33,760
but in the Cascade garage, we have level

829
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:36,960
one plugs. Um,

830
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:41,760
and I think with the new garage, it's a

831
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:45,440
work in progress on public EV charging

832
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:48,480
for the new garage. Um but other than

833
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:51,760
that um there are no other public EV

834
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:55,040
chargers available. All of the chargers

835
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:57,680
that are available are private either at

836
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:01,200
individuals homes or uh at apartment

837
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:02,960
buildings.

838
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:07,280
>> Is there EV charging signs? No actual EV

839
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:08,240
charging.

840
00:36:08,240 --> 00:36:09,040
>> Oh, here

841
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:10,000
>> at the school.

842
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,160
>> Oh, at school. So the school's wired for

843
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:12,960
it.

844
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:14,720
>> The So the school has all the conduit

845
00:36:14,720 --> 00:36:18,079
there. They just need to we're trying to

846
00:36:18,079 --> 00:36:19,680
figure out is there a way for them to

847
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:23,760
get money uh to put in a charger. Um so

848
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:25,359
yeah, I did submit a form for the school

849
00:36:25,359 --> 00:36:27,725
I think too or maybe I don't remember.

850
00:36:27,725 --> 00:36:28,880
[laughter]

851
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:31,520
Either way, um the school and I have

852
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:33,440
been in contact about this project and

853
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:35,599
trying to figure out um what their needs

854
00:36:35,599 --> 00:36:37,680
are and figure out what are some

855
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:39,520
pathways for them to get the supply

856
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:42,160
equipment to to plug in. That's all

857
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:45,040
they're missing. Are there any statewide

858
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:46,640
requirements for like a minimum amount

859
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:48,960
of EV charging? Like Massachusetts has

860
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:52,400
requirements for new parking areas a

861
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:54,880
certain percentage like 10% or whatever

862
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:56,960
needs to be. Is that something or

863
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:58,400
something we would even want to think

864
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:01,280
about? Like the only new parking is over

865
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:03,920
by Casan. It probably won't happen again

866
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:08,079
>> anytime soon, but it's just something I

867
00:37:08,079 --> 00:37:09,920
guess to throw out there to think about.

868
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:11,200
>> Yeah, I mean we can definitely think

869
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:13,440
about that locally. um we can put that

870
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:15,520
into zoning as a requirement instead of

871
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:16,960
an incentive.

872
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:19,599
>> Um that is uh there's been a guidance

873
00:37:19,599 --> 00:37:21,680
document that's now a bit dated I think

874
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:25,200
eight years old from Vrans on um how you

875
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:27,280
can incorporate EV charging requirements

876
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:32,079
into municipal zoning um in the most

877
00:37:32,079 --> 00:37:34,160
recent residential and commercial

878
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:36,480
building energy standards uh that

879
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:38,480
required EV charging.

880
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:41,440
>> Okay. Um, so for I think for

881
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:43,359
municipalities that adopt stretch code

882
00:37:43,359 --> 00:37:45,920
like South Burlington, they would have

883
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:48,480
that EV charging requirement for larger

884
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:52,720
projects. Um, but with the executive

885
00:37:52,720 --> 00:37:55,280
order shifting back to the 2020 building

886
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:57,200
energy standards requirements uh,

887
00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:59,520
statewide, I think that is only for

888
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:02,400
wiring but not for chargers if I'm not

889
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:03,119
mistaken.

890
00:38:03,119 --> 00:38:03,520
>> Okay.

891
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:05,280
>> Um, and it's only for certain projects

892
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:07,359
of a thresh of a particular threshold.

893
00:38:07,359 --> 00:38:07,920
>> Yeah.

894
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:08,880
>> Um,

895
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,680
Yeah. So, it's a bit of yes and no.

896
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:13,040
>> Yeah, that's good to know.

897
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:18,470
>> Yeah.

898
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:22,400
» Is that it for that?

899
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:25,440
Any questions?

900
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:27,520
Everyone, can you hear me?

901
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:29,839
>> Oh, yeah. You had a question on the

902
00:38:29,839 --> 00:38:31,359
chat, right, Trevor?

903
00:38:31,359 --> 00:38:33,200
>> Yeah, I did. I'll just so people can

904
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:35,040
hear. We were talking about Act 250 a

905
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:36,240
couple minutes ago and I'm just

906
00:38:36,240 --> 00:38:38,400
wondering cuz I read where it was

907
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:40,240
written and there didn't there wasn't

908
00:38:40,240 --> 00:38:42,880
more context to inform me. So maybe you

909
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:45,920
know or maybe someone else knows but why

910
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:48,560
was it decided statewide to extend the

911
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:50,560
expiration date for municipal plans

912
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:53,440
until the end of 2027? I just have no

913
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:55,520
background on this.

914
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:59,599
>> I think it has to do with the status of

915
00:38:59,599 --> 00:39:02,880
the regional plan timelines.

916
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:08,160
Um so now with the uh

917
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:10,160
trying to forget remember which one I

918
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:13,599
think it's under act 181 that we have to

919
00:39:13,599 --> 00:39:16,240
include our housing goal the regional

920
00:39:16,240 --> 00:39:19,599
plans housing goals into our uh

921
00:39:19,599 --> 00:39:24,240
municipal plan um along with uh their

922
00:39:24,240 --> 00:39:27,119
map of

923
00:39:27,119 --> 00:39:29,760
um the their future land use map into

924
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:34,160
our zoning. um I think only in the last

925
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:39,119
week that um CCRPC's plan was adopted.

926
00:39:39,119 --> 00:39:42,400
Um so because and they're one of the

927
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:45,119
first. So I think in order for everyone

928
00:39:45,119 --> 00:39:47,520
else to catch up with the plan

929
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:49,920
requirements uh if the state decided to

930
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:52,480
extend those timelines so that way

931
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:54,160
municipalities can meet those

932
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:59,040
requirements that are in act 181.

933
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:03,910
>> Okay. Thank you for the info.

934
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:05,680
>> Okay.

935
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:07,839
>> Let's move on to let's see what would it

936
00:40:07,839 --> 00:40:09,760
be the work plan.

937
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:12,000
>> Yeah.

938
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:15,270
So

939
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:20,079
we have a work plan a draft one. Um the

940
00:40:20,079 --> 00:40:25,200
basis of this work plan um kind of stems

941
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:27,440
from previous year's work plans. This is

942
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:28,800
how previous year's work plans were set

943
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:32,320
up where um we would highlight uh city

944
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:34,800
council's priorities that intersect with

945
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:38,320
planning and zoning and um identify our

946
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:44,160
role in that. Um so it's the first three

947
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:48,240
are a continuation of previous uh

948
00:40:48,240 --> 00:40:50,800
council priorities from previous years.

949
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:54,160
Um so develop continue to update the UDR

950
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:56,400
address housing priorities carry out the

951
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:57,839
equable housing needs assessment which

952
00:40:57,839 --> 00:41:00,400
will be finished the end of this year.

953
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:04,319
Um update the comp plan um and then the

954
00:41:04,319 --> 00:41:05,599
last one's a new one the water

955
00:41:05,599 --> 00:41:08,160
distribution system master plan update.

956
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:10,319
Um and then the planning commissions

957
00:41:10,319 --> 00:41:13,119
role um I pulled from previous work

958
00:41:13,119 --> 00:41:16,319
plans uh speaks very generally. Um so we

959
00:41:16,319 --> 00:41:18,480
can word smmith that if you'd like um

960
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:20,560
but I I would like to talk a bit about

961
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:22,400
the water distribution system master

962
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:25,680
plan update. So um one of the

963
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:30,160
constraints um that the city has isn't

964
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:33,359
um water supply itself but the water

965
00:41:33,359 --> 00:41:37,200
lines. Um, so the water lines in the

966
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:41,200
residential districts are uh sized for a

967
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:43,440
uh single typical single family

968
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:45,119
residential neighborhood. It's a they're

969
00:41:45,119 --> 00:41:49,280
6-in water lines. Um, so we have been

970
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:52,240
mainly DPW's been running into some

971
00:41:52,240 --> 00:41:55,920
issues about connecting u multi-unit

972
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:58,960
housing projects to 6-in lines. Um the

973
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:05,119
main concern isn't um water itself but the pressure um because if you have

974
00:42:05,119 --> 00:42:07,119
undersized pipes and you have larger

975
00:42:07,119 --> 00:42:08,720
needs for it then you would have less

976
00:42:08,720 --> 00:42:12,160
pressure and um so that's what we're I'm

977
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:14,400
working with DPW to figure out where are

978
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:17,440
we anticipating growth. So therefore

979
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:22,000
which lines should be um uh switched out

980
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:25,200
to larger wider lines to accommodate for

981
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:28,880
future growth. Um so that's part of uh

982
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:31,040
the building typologies itself. So with

983
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:34,240
building typologies um

984
00:42:34,240 --> 00:42:36,720
I think it it helped DPW and I to think

985
00:42:36,720 --> 00:42:39,119
about what is anticipated buildout, what

986
00:42:39,119 --> 00:42:40,480
could build out look like in our

987
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:43,280
residential districts. Um and how would

988
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:46,079
it look? Um, and so based off of that,

989
00:42:46,079 --> 00:42:51,760
if we were to look at building forms, in the RC district, then

990
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:53,920
we would know, okay, this is the

991
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:55,520
expected growth that we should

992
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:57,359
anticipate in the RC district, and

993
00:42:57,359 --> 00:42:59,680
therefore we should upsize certain lines

994
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:02,000
in particular locations for that growth.

995
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:03,760
Uh, so we could prioritize particular

996
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:06,079
lines over, say, locations in the RA

997
00:43:06,079 --> 00:43:09,040
district that weren't part of the study.

998
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:11,839
Uh, and and those could be dep

999
00:43:11,839 --> 00:43:14,880
prioritized for now. and um regarded

1000
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:18,960
later uh at a later time for upsizing.

1001
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:23,119
Um so I think that thinking about um I

1002
00:43:23,119 --> 00:43:24,960
think for for me and for DBW thinking

1003
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:27,440
about um the building typologies project

1004
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:28,960
and then this water distribution system

1005
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:31,520
master plan update that is I think going

1006
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:35,040
to inform um further conversations about

1007
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:36,560
how we want to implement the building

1008
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:38,400
typologies

1009
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:40,720
about which areas do we want to see

1010
00:43:40,720 --> 00:43:42,560
further density? Do we want to see

1011
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:47,599
different forms um and potential uh

1012
00:43:47,599 --> 00:43:49,040
changes to other parts of the zoning

1013
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:50,880
regulations to accommodate that type of

1014
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:53,200
form, that type of built environment u

1015
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:55,839
versus other parts of the city? So

1016
00:43:55,839 --> 00:43:58,720
that's where it all intersects.

1017
00:43:58,720 --> 00:44:00,880
>> Is there any issues with wastelines?

1018
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:02,720
>> No.

1019
00:44:02,720 --> 00:44:05,359
Well, [laughter]

1020
00:44:05,359 --> 00:44:08,319
>> again, I think the age of a lot of the

1021
00:44:08,319 --> 00:44:10,800
infrastructure, especially sewer lines,

1022
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:13,760
there there's some pretty old pipes in

1023
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:14,800
there.

1024
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:16,960
>> I know when we did some back in the

1025
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:20,640
early 2000s, we were finding 100-y old

1026
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:23,200
um clay tile pipe.

1027
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:24,160
>> So nice,

1028
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:27,280
>> and finding lines that or not knowing

1029
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:29,520
where lines were.

1030
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:33,200
So, but that's all been I think it's

1031
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:34,960
pretty well updated. So, they've got

1032
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:37,359
mapping of there was a time when there

1033
00:44:37,359 --> 00:44:41,359
was no maps of where water lines were.

1034
00:44:41,359 --> 00:44:44,800
Uh, and I I tell John Rosher this. There

1035
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:47,119
was in the late 90s, I think it was,

1036
00:44:47,119 --> 00:44:49,760
there was a water there was a water main

1037
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:52,640
break. They couldn't find the shut offs.

1038
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:54,079
They had to shut the water off in the

1039
00:44:54,079 --> 00:44:55,760
whole city

1040
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:59,359
>> to fix the break. and they found the

1041
00:44:59,359 --> 00:45:03,200
shut off under six or eight layers of

1042
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:05,680
pavement, but they didn't have any maps,

1043
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:07,760
so they didn't know where it was. But

1044
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:10,079
that has changed, thank goodness.

1045
00:45:10,079 --> 00:45:11,040
>> Yeah.

1046
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:15,680
The the last water distri system

1047
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:20,480
master plan update was in 2016,

1048
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:23,760
I think. So, yeah, we have precise maps

1049
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:26,000
on where water lines are and where sewer

1050
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:29,040
lines are. It's it's a matter of testing

1051
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:32,240
out its distribution capability and

1052
00:45:32,240 --> 00:45:35,440
determining which um lines do we want to

1053
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:37,920
upsize over time and which we should

1054
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:39,040
prioritize.

1055
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:42,000
>> And as Revy said, we have last I knew

1056
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:43,920
and Thomas, you can correct me if I'm

1057
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:47,119
wrong, we have plenty of of sewer

1058
00:45:47,119 --> 00:45:49,760
capacity and water capacity to to

1059
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:51,839
accommodate new growth. Quite a bit of

1060
00:45:51,839 --> 00:45:54,400
new growth. It's just the distribution

1061
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:55,280
lines.

1062
00:45:55,280 --> 00:46:00,710
>> Yeah.

1063
00:46:00,720 --> 00:46:02,319
Yep.

1064
00:46:02,319 --> 00:46:05,359
I think that's all I have for the work

1065
00:46:05,359 --> 00:46:15,589
plan. Any questions, suggestions, edits?

1066
00:46:15,599 --> 00:46:17,280
It's a lot of stuff we've always we've

1067
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:19,440
been doing all along. So, it doesn't

1068
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:24,550
change much year to year, but

1069
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:27,040
and I should add that

1070
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:31,680
part of our job and and with the zoning

1071
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:33,839
regulations or unified land use

1072
00:46:33,839 --> 00:46:35,280
development regulations, whatever the

1073
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:39,119
heck it is. Um, uh, I always look at it

1074
00:46:39,119 --> 00:46:41,440
as a living document that needs to

1075
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:45,200
change and update. So if you if you see

1076
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:47,040
something you think we should discuss

1077
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:49,839
this, let's discuss it. Something may

1078
00:46:49,839 --> 00:46:52,880
need to be changed.

1079
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:54,800
>> I guess I do have one comment here, but

1080
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:56,880
just making sure we have the city

1081
00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:59,040
council's priorities, like making sure

1082
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:03,119
we we know what those those are. I guess

1083
00:47:03,119 --> 00:47:06,960
>> we don't know that. I know at the end of

1084
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:09,280
like the last sessions with some people

1085
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:11,359
they felt like maybe we're diverging

1086
00:47:11,359 --> 00:47:13,520
from maybe what the city council wanted.

1087
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:17,040
So maybe just making sure we know those

1088
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:19,359
are very clearly.

1089
00:47:19,359 --> 00:47:22,720
>> It sort of says it but no we do need to

1090
00:47:22,720 --> 00:47:26,400
because anything that we propose

1091
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:29,119
has to get approved by the council. So,

1092
00:47:29,119 --> 00:47:33,680
it doesn't make sense for us to to um

1093
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:35,839
propose something that's contrary to

1094
00:47:35,839 --> 00:47:38,160
what the city council wants. If we're

1095
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:39,599
going down that route, we have to have

1096
00:47:39,599 --> 00:47:42,240
the discussion ahead of time and figure

1097
00:47:42,240 --> 00:47:44,240
out where we are. You buy that, Thomas,

1098
00:47:44,240 --> 00:47:45,359
or

1099
00:47:45,359 --> 00:47:47,760
>> Yeah, I mean, I think that, you know,

1100
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:50,480
not much has changed in terms of the

1101
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:52,640
like overall council priorities. If we

1102
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:56,640
want we want you all finding ways that

1103
00:47:56,640 --> 00:48:01,839
will encourage development in the city

1104
00:48:01,839 --> 00:48:04,560
and be that smart development, right?

1105
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:07,839
Like we don't want Franklin Street

1106
00:48:07,839 --> 00:48:10,160
problems popping up everywhere just to

1107
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:13,520
develop things, but we want development

1108
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:16,480
to happen. So we do have a fun job of

1109
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:20,079
figuring out how to make that happen. Um

1110
00:48:20,079 --> 00:48:21,760
but yeah, not nothing there that has

1111
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:24,960
changed. Like we're not uh we haven't

1112
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:28,160
been briefed on anything besides, you

1113
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:30,800
know, this water distribution situation,

1114
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:32,480
but other than that, like we haven't

1115
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:35,200
heard any reasons to why we need to

1116
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:39,280
alter our desires for development. So

1117
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:40,880
that's the

1118
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:43,760
>> that's the plan. I think with a

1119
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:45,920
comprehensive plan I think we need to

1120
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:49,680
have a discussion of just

1121
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:51,760
I'll say how much development we want

1122
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:53,920
some parameters in other words do we

1123
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:57,520
want to go crazy and you know get as

1124
00:48:57,520 --> 00:48:59,520
much development as possible or do we

1125
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:01,760
want to look at it and say do we want

1126
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:04,880
this city to be one of of you know a

1127
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:07,760
population of 9 or 10,000 or 12 or

1128
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:08,960
15,000

1129
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:11,839
>> because there is some cost to develop

1130
00:49:11,839 --> 00:49:14,240
velment and one of them is the

1131
00:49:14,240 --> 00:49:15,200
infrastructure,

1132
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:15,760
>> right?

1133
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:18,079
>> You know, so I I think we need to have

1134
00:49:18,079 --> 00:49:21,040
that discussion with the council uh and

1135
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:23,200
with the other groups that that you know

1136
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:26,800
we're going to be working with um to to

1137
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:29,680
give us a path forward. And it may be

1138
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:31,680
let's go crazy and do whatever we can or

1139
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:34,000
it may be let's kind of rein it in a

1140
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:36,559
little bit. one development but you know

1141
00:49:36,559 --> 00:49:38,800
>> we've seen

1142
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:42,319
recently right that there have been a

1143
00:49:42,319 --> 00:49:44,319
thought and belief in the city that like

1144
00:49:44,319 --> 00:49:47,520
any development was great that clearly

1145
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:49,359
was not the case like people have turned

1146
00:49:49,359 --> 00:49:52,240
out in droves against some specific

1147
00:49:52,240 --> 00:49:55,440
projects so not that that has changed

1148
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:57,520
any desires develop but I think it's

1149
00:49:57,520 --> 00:49:59,200
like

1150
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:00,960
we're we're not where some of us thought

1151
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:03,119
we were in terms of where people are

1152
00:50:03,119 --> 00:50:05,359
willing to see big structures go up and

1153
00:50:05,359 --> 00:50:08,640
things like that. So, um you know, like

1154
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:10,240
I think we've decided like the

1155
00:50:10,240 --> 00:50:12,480
corridors, right? Like we can going to

1156
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:14,720
put big buildings there. There are still

1157
00:50:14,720 --> 00:50:16,160
people who will complain, but like I

1158
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:17,920
think as a city we can all kind of come

1159
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:20,240
to the agreement that like we're all

1160
00:50:20,240 --> 00:50:22,000
okay with that.

1161
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:24,559
>> Um

1162
00:50:24,559 --> 00:50:26,789
>> but not in my backyard.

1163
00:50:26,789 --> 00:50:29,119
[laughter] how somebody's going to hear.

1164
00:50:29,119 --> 00:50:33,680
Oh, you know, I'm not thrilled here. No,

1165
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:36,000
like I definitely developing the city,

1166
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:38,160
but like

1167
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:40,480
the this room has never been as full as

1168
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:42,880
you saw it as DRB saw or as we saw it

1169
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:46,240
when Franklin Street happened. So like

1170
00:50:46,240 --> 00:50:48,559
>> Well,

1171
00:50:48,559 --> 00:50:50,640
but not for

1172
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:53,040
35, but like

1173
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:56,559
>> in the past five years. So like

1174
00:50:56,559 --> 00:50:59,119
>> it was also pretty full when we were

1175
00:50:59,119 --> 00:51:01,440
proposing the Armory project too with a

1176
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:02,880
lot of people speaking in support of it.

1177
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:04,319
So I think you know

1178
00:51:04,319 --> 00:51:06,000
>> I'm not

1179
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:07,520
saying Franklin Street for a reason.

1180
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:08,319
>> Yeah. Yeah.

1181
00:51:08,319 --> 00:51:10,720
>> Like there I think [clears throat]

1182
00:51:10,720 --> 00:51:12,640
and maybe all of you but maybe not can

1183
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:15,520
recognize like the the neighbors did not

1184
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:18,480
want Franklin Street to happen. So we

1185
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:20,880
had thought a lot of us that people

1186
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:23,440
would want Franklin Street to happen. It

1187
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:24,480
seemed that they [clears throat] didn't.

1188
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:27,280
So like we've got some more parameters

1189
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:28,960
from conversations that we've had over

1190
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:30,480
the years.

1191
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:32,880
>> Um the armory is a whole different

1192
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:34,240
thing. Like there are people for them

1193
00:51:34,240 --> 00:51:36,319
who I haven't heard anybody before

1194
00:51:36,319 --> 00:51:37,359
Franklin Street.

1195
00:51:37,359 --> 00:51:38,079
>> Yeah. Yeah.

1196
00:51:38,079 --> 00:51:41,040
>> So like that's why I use that example.

1197
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:42,640
The armor is different. There are

1198
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:44,400
definitely people for that project.

1199
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:46,559
Definitely people against that project

1200
00:51:46,559 --> 00:51:50,079
but there's more of a discussion there

1201
00:51:50,079 --> 00:51:54,400
um which hope we continue on. Yeah,

1202
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:56,960
actually, can I back up just the the

1203
00:51:56,960 --> 00:51:58,960
water distribution, how pressing is

1204
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:00,720
that? Like, is that is there any

1205
00:52:00,720 --> 00:52:02,880
development that that's holding up or is

1206
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:06,800
uh um or is there some more development

1207
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:08,880
that can happen with the current 6- in

1208
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:11,280
lines? Um and it's just like down the

1209
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:15,200
road we'll need to expand or is there uh

1210
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:17,040
does that question make sense? I think

1211
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:20,960
it it's a little

1212
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:23,760
I'm I I think I'd be a little out of my

1213
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:26,240
wheelhouse to to to make that

1214
00:52:26,240 --> 00:52:27,839
determination because I'm not an

1215
00:52:27,839 --> 00:52:30,000
engineer. [laughter]

1216
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:31,760
>> Like booster pumps and stuff.

1217
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:33,839
>> Yeah. And things like that.

1218
00:52:33,839 --> 00:52:40,400
>> I think Yeah. And I think that with the from my understanding at least

1219
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:42,000
um

1220
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:43,359
there aren't any projects that are being

1221
00:52:43,359 --> 00:52:46,800
holding that are being held up and

1222
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:49,680
public works just like I feel like the

1223
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:51,359
rest of the city like code enforcement

1224
00:52:51,359 --> 00:52:52,800
public works they always find a way to

1225
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:55,040
make it work to make sure that the

1226
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:57,040
building is accessible and that they are

1227
00:52:57,040 --> 00:52:59,280
able to to to maintain their operations

1228
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:03,440
and and and work towards solutions. Um

1229
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:06,240
it's it's a matter of for these future

1230
00:53:06,240 --> 00:53:07,520
buildings or even for these current

1231
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:08,800
buildings, is there going to be enough

1232
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:11,040
water pressure for them? And uh one

1233
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:14,240
piece that causes them alarm is

1234
00:53:14,240 --> 00:53:16,880
buildings behind buildings. Um because

1235
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:18,480
that is an extension of a of a

1236
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:20,400
connection of an existing connection

1237
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:22,880
that goes through a house. Um we don't

1238
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:25,280
create any new connections. Typically,

1239
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:26,960
um if someone is building a duplex

1240
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:29,280
behind an existing duplex,

1241
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:31,280
uh water and waste water has to go

1242
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:33,599
through the existing house and out to

1243
00:53:33,599 --> 00:53:36,800
the street. Um so that creates some

1244
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:39,440
complications operationally for them uh

1245
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:41,760
that they've uh made known to me and I

1246
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:43,920
would and I think that would also create

1247
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:46,000
some complications in terms of water

1248
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:48,160
pressure um just to have the extra

1249
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:50,400
infrastructure uh 100 ft of

1250
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:52,319
infrastructure potentially to go out to

1251
00:53:52,319 --> 00:53:55,920
the street. Um so I think that to uh

1252
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:59,760
circumvent any future uh issues like

1253
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:03,280
that um this is why they're looking at

1254
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:05,359
what is distribution like and how do we

1255
00:54:05,359 --> 00:54:07,760
make sure that we are prioritizing

1256
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:10,960
um the upsizing of particular lines over

1257
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:13,680
others at the moment as we continue to

1258
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:16,559
maintain our infrastructure. Um, and I

1259
00:54:16,559 --> 00:54:18,640
also think that this is also a piece

1260
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:20,720
that they've voiced concerns to me about

1261
00:54:20,720 --> 00:54:24,480
like is there a way Revy to consolidate

1262
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:26,240
all the units into one building so that

1263
00:54:26,240 --> 00:54:27,599
way there's just one connection out to

1264
00:54:27,599 --> 00:54:29,680
the street instead of this connection

1265
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:31,680
this these connections between

1266
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:34,960
connections. Um so and I think that's

1267
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:42,000
going to be a broader conversation um at a later time of how do we incorporate

1268
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:44,640
some of these recommendations as we

1269
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:47,119
continue to maintain infrastructure and

1270
00:54:47,119 --> 00:54:49,280
upsize infrastructure to make sure that

1271
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:52,319
we are growing incrementally and also

1272
00:54:52,319 --> 00:54:56,960
growing in a way that is uh sustainable

1273
00:54:56,960 --> 00:55:01,119
operationally for our city staff. I

1274
00:55:01,119 --> 00:55:05,200
think one one um question that we need

1275
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:08,400
answered on the water especially water

1276
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:11,920
distribution system is 6-in pipe as I

1277
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:13,920
understand it from what you said and and

1278
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:16,880
whatever is good for a single family

1279
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:20,559
home or or several single family homes.

1280
00:55:20,559 --> 00:55:25,200
>> How large of a multi-unit building is

1281
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:27,200
adequately served with a 6-in pipe? So,

1282
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:29,359
in other words, if I have a sixunit

1283
00:55:29,359 --> 00:55:31,680
building, do I need to upgrade it to a

1284
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:34,400
12 in or a 9 in pipe or something? Is it

1285
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:36,160
10 units? Is it 20 units? You know what

1286
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:37,839
I mean? And that's not something you can

1287
00:55:37,839 --> 00:55:40,079
answer, but I think if we get some

1288
00:55:40,079 --> 00:55:42,640
information from public works,

1289
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:44,640
>> I think that would help us because then

1290
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:47,440
we can say, well, geez, we're allowing

1291
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:49,680
all these six unit buildings, but it

1292
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:51,839
needs an upsized pipe

1293
00:55:51,839 --> 00:55:53,119
>> or maybe it doesn't.

1294
00:55:53,119 --> 00:55:56,400
>> Yep. I think so. Yes. Exactly. we we'll

1295
00:55:56,400 --> 00:55:58,799
have some flexibility in in the short

1296
00:55:58,799 --> 00:56:02,559
term and the near future um because uh

1297
00:56:02,559 --> 00:56:05,040
we're not seeing uh you know growth

1298
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:06,640
overnight. We're not seeing houses being

1299
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:08,000
demolished and turned into four-unit

1300
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:09,920
buildings overnight that are going to

1301
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:12,799
cause pressure issues. Um, but we need

1302
00:56:12,799 --> 00:56:15,040
to be mindful of

1303
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:16,960
which parts can accommodate growth right

1304
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:18,559
now, which parts are going to be

1305
00:56:18,559 --> 00:56:20,720
prioritized for growth, and which parts

1306
00:56:20,720 --> 00:56:22,880
of the city are

1307
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:25,359
have a much longer time frame for

1308
00:56:25,359 --> 00:56:28,799
upgrades. Um, in terms of density,

1309
00:56:28,799 --> 00:56:30,480
>> you or Thomas probably don't know, but

1310
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:33,119
I'm wondering with the Main Street

1311
00:56:33,119 --> 00:56:35,040
reconstruction, did they upsize the

1312
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:37,920
water um, distribution line there to

1313
00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:40,400
like a 12 in or something?

1314
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:41,520
>> I

1315
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:43,760
I'm very sure

1316
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:46,559
>> they upsized it. I can't say

1317
00:56:46,559 --> 00:56:48,960
>> I don't put I don't know what they had

1318
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:51,119
pulled out.

1319
00:56:51,119 --> 00:56:54,880
>> Some of the sections were wood pipes.

1320
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:57,040
>> They were wood like with like metal

1321
00:56:57,040 --> 00:56:59,119
bands around them like barrels.

1322
00:56:59,119 --> 00:57:01,119
>> It's wild, but they lasted for over 100

1323
00:57:01,119 --> 00:57:01,839
years.

1324
00:57:01,839 --> 00:57:03,760
>> That's what I'm saying.

1325
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:05,440
>> Yeah, that's the exact problem.

1326
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:07,200
>> Yeah.

1327
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:09,920
what's coming.

1328
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:12,000
>> Yeah. [laughter]

1329
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:14,000
>> I can tell you stories of surprise some

1330
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:15,680
surprises that have been found in this

1331
00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:16,319
city.

1332
00:57:16,319 --> 00:57:19,520
>> Oh, John showed us one meeting like when

1333
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:21,200
they were doing scoping and I forget

1334
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:23,440
about Oh, a fire hydrant had been like

1335
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:25,680
tapped into one of those like I think

1336
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:27,359
about building codes, but like they're

1337
00:57:27,359 --> 00:57:29,920
not supposed to do that. So, there's

1338
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:31,920
like

1339
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:32,640
I don't

1340
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:34,509
>> old stuff going on down there. I

1341
00:57:34,509 --> 00:57:35,119
[clears throat] don't remember the

1342
00:57:35,119 --> 00:57:36,559
specifics, but where the veterans

1343
00:57:36,559 --> 00:57:38,319
housing is down here on West Canal

1344
00:57:38,319 --> 00:57:40,160
Street, when they were digging the

1345
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:41,359
foundation

1346
00:57:41,359 --> 00:57:44,799
>> down deep, they found an old um like

1347
00:57:44,799 --> 00:57:48,640
storm water discharge pipe that was I

1348
00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:50,400
think it was wooden and I think it was

1349
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:54,240
like 36 in or 48 in diameter.

1350
00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:56,125
>> They didn't know it was there.

1351
00:57:56,125 --> 00:57:59,990
[laughter]

1352
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:01,920
» But that's all been ironed out.

1353
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:04,480
>> Yeah. So be confident that that's all

1354
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:08,400
that was said Mike figured that all out.

1355
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:10,480
>> No, not quite.

1356
00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:11,839
>> I just kind of scratched my head and

1357
00:58:11,839 --> 00:58:12,720
laughed. [laughter]

1358
00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:14,559
>> It's interesting. It'll be interesting

1359
00:58:14,559 --> 00:58:16,400
too with the pressure stuff. These like

1360
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:18,160
lower areas normally have higher

1361
00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:20,880
pressure and stuff. So it might dictate

1362
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:22,799
areas that'll

1363
00:58:22,799 --> 00:58:25,200
can actually have develop a bit more

1364
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:26,079
>> and others that [clears throat] can't. I

1365
00:58:26,079 --> 00:58:27,599
don't know if that works, but you know

1366
00:58:27,599 --> 00:58:29,760
that I know a lot of our water comes

1367
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:32,079
from the the water towers up on Water

1368
00:58:32,079 --> 00:58:34,559
Tower Hill in Colchester because

1369
00:58:34,559 --> 00:58:37,040
>> back in the early 90s we contributed to

1370
00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:40,789
putting those 425,000galon

1371
00:58:40,799 --> 00:58:42,400
» storage tanks up there

1372
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:44,480
>> so it could serve because Champagne

1373
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:47,839
water the water coming into the city uh

1374
00:58:47,839 --> 00:58:49,200
I think there wasn't enough or

1375
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:50,720
something. Anyway, they had to put two

1376
00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:52,240
tanks up there. Yeah.

1377
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:53,440
>> Oh, interesting.

1378
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:54,799
>> I know. I got plenty of pressure at my

1379
00:58:54,799 --> 00:58:56,079
house. So,

1380
00:58:56,079 --> 00:58:57,920
Yeah. So,

1381
00:58:57,920 --> 00:59:01,280
>> anyway, we we digress.

1382
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:04,640
>> Yeah. Uh, but that's [laughter] okay.

1383
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:06,000
>> That's typical, by the way.

1384
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:06,960
>> Yeah.

1385
00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:08,830
>> Sometimes you have to get me in line.

1386
00:59:08,830 --> 00:59:10,079
[laughter]

1387
00:59:10,079 --> 00:59:12,960
But I think talking about timelines, um,

1388
00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:15,359
so I think for the remainder of the

1389
00:59:15,359 --> 00:59:16,960
year, the way that I have it sketched

1390
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:19,280
out is that we focus more on the comp

1391
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:22,799
plan and the the revisions to the comp

1392
00:59:22,799 --> 00:59:25,280
plan based on public input that we've

1393
00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:28,559
been receiving. Um, so I think during

1394
00:59:28,559 --> 00:59:29,920
the next meeting on September 10th,

1395
00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:32,480
we'll reintroduce the comp plan and

1396
00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:34,000
start going through it section by

1397
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:37,119
section. Um, depending on agendas, we

1398
00:59:37,119 --> 00:59:39,280
might add in like building typologies or

1399
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:41,440
talks or talk about stuff. But I mean,

1400
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:43,280
we I want to make sure that I'm not

1401
00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:45,440
overloading you because these are going

1402
00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:49,760
to be like weightier meetings. Um, and

1403
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:53,920
then I think probably uh going into next

1404
00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:56,640
year once we've cleared out the the comp

1405
00:59:56,640 --> 00:59:58,880
plan as well and we'll probably go back

1406
00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:00,960
into thinking more about building

1407
01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:03,119
technologies with the water master plan

1408
01:00:03,119 --> 01:00:05,680
update work potentially and equitable

1409
01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:07,280
housing needs assessment work that's

1410
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:08,240
going to be finished at the end of the

1411
01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:14,720
year and then and open up the UDR and figure out which recommendations we

1412
01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:16,880
want to take into consideration and how

1413
01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:17,839
do we want to take them into

1414
01:00:17,839 --> 01:00:22,390
consideration.

1415
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:24,880
I I I mean I think you're right. We the

1416
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:28,000
comp plan is, you know, hanging over us.

1417
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:29,520
We got to get we got to get moving on

1418
01:00:29,520 --> 01:00:30,559
that. So

1419
01:00:30,559 --> 01:00:32,240
>> I think that'll be our priority in the

1420
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:33,920
next several months anyway.

1421
01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:35,839
>> And I think one other piece that I've

1422
01:00:35,839 --> 01:00:38,000
been working on on the side with the

1423
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:40,400
comp plan is trying to figure out in a

1424
01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:42,000
very general sense where do we want to

1425
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:44,559
see growth and which parts of the city

1426
01:00:44,559 --> 01:00:46,480
can accommodate more growth. So I think

1427
01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:49,680
we we should have that conversation

1428
01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:52,480
>> as part of the comp with the comp plan

1429
01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:54,640
and that should be in the background as

1430
01:00:54,640 --> 01:00:56,960
we talk more about building typologies

1431
01:00:56,960 --> 01:00:59,440
at goodwell housing assessment and uh

1432
01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:06,470
water master plan.

1433
01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:08,559
» Okay. Any comments questions?

1434
01:01:08,559 --> 01:01:10,160
>> This question is mainly about the comp

1435
01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:12,640
plan but could apply across these

1436
01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:15,839
priorities. Do you are we already

1437
01:01:15,839 --> 01:01:17,680
planning on or do your foresee

1438
01:01:17,680 --> 01:01:20,480
opportunities to have additional joint

1439
01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:22,960
meetings like with the other departments

1440
01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:24,720
or commissions

1441
01:01:24,720 --> 01:01:26,960
on the different sections of the comp

1442
01:01:26,960 --> 01:01:28,240
plan or are those conversations

1443
01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:30,400
happening already separately?

1444
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:33,440
>> So I have been meeting individually with

1445
01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:36,880
all of the committees. So I've met with

1446
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:38,480
um

1447
01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:40,319
all of the committees at this point

1448
01:01:40,319 --> 01:01:43,440
multiple times on the goals and actions.

1449
01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:45,760
Um so the draft goals and actions that

1450
01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:48,160
are in the surveys that are being shown

1451
01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:51,839
at the open house um have were created

1452
01:01:51,839 --> 01:01:53,839
after multiple discussions with all the

1453
01:01:53,839 --> 01:01:59,040
respective committees. Sanszu. Um so I

1454
01:01:59,040 --> 01:02:00,559
think

1455
01:02:00,559 --> 01:02:03,280
if we want more input at a later time um

1456
01:02:03,280 --> 01:02:04,640
from those committees we can definitely

1457
01:02:04,640 --> 01:02:06,720
get them. Uh if we want to hold a joint

1458
01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:09,599
meeting we can definitely do that. Um,

1459
01:02:09,599 --> 01:02:11,839
but it I think it'll depend on what the

1460
01:02:11,839 --> 01:02:13,920
other committees how they feel and

1461
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:15,839
whether there's anything missing from

1462
01:02:15,839 --> 01:02:18,079
our work because I I'll definitely be

1463
01:02:18,079 --> 01:02:20,480
keeping tabs on that, making sure that I

1464
01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:23,760
didn't miss anything in their uh

1465
01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:26,160
observations and experiences working on

1466
01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:28,400
those particular se sections as we work

1467
01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:32,960
on those sections in in these meetings.

1468
01:02:32,960 --> 01:02:34,960
>> On that note, I could see DPW being

1469
01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:37,440
useful at some point planning for that.

1470
01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:37,760
Yeah,

1471
01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:39,280
>> we already implied that, but

1472
01:02:39,280 --> 01:02:41,359
>> yeah. Yeah.

1473
01:02:41,359 --> 01:02:41,760
>> Yeah.

1474
01:02:41,760 --> 01:02:43,680
>> And as Revie said, if we want to have a

1475
01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:45,200
joint meeting with one of the other

1476
01:02:45,200 --> 01:02:47,280
commissions, we we can do that. We can

1477
01:02:47,280 --> 01:02:48,880
ask for that.

1478
01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:49,599
>> Yeah.

1479
01:02:49,599 --> 01:02:51,200
>> We can't force them, but we can ask them

1480
01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:56,390
very nicely.

1481
01:02:56,400 --> 01:02:59,440
Anything else?

1482
01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:02,960
All right. Building typologies.

1483
01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:03,359
>> Yeah.

1484
01:03:03,359 --> 01:03:04,720
>> Is this where I had a question that you

1485
01:03:04,720 --> 01:03:06,240
wanted me to bring up or was that on the

1486
01:03:06,240 --> 01:03:08,000
work? I already addressed it with the

1487
01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:09,119
work plan, but I think

1488
01:03:09,119 --> 01:03:10,160
>> you probably did. Yeah,

1489
01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:14,069
>> I forgot the question. So, [laughter]

1490
01:03:14,079 --> 01:03:16,799
» Thomas, Thomas,

1491
01:03:16,799 --> 01:03:18,480
>> how deep are we diving into this right

1492
01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:20,480
now? So, we were just saying next time,

1493
01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:20,880
but

1494
01:03:20,880 --> 01:03:22,480
>> I don't think we want to dive too deeply

1495
01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:23,359
into it.

1496
01:03:23,359 --> 01:03:24,160
>> No,

1497
01:03:24,160 --> 01:03:25,839
>> we just

1498
01:03:25,839 --> 01:03:28,240
we've seen some of it before, but folks

1499
01:03:28,240 --> 01:03:31,280
like Ruby and Brian have not. So,

1500
01:03:31,280 --> 01:03:32,880
>> Matt, I think you were here when they

1501
01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:35,920
gave that they were

1502
01:03:35,920 --> 01:03:38,640
>> Yeah. for mainly for for Ruby and for

1503
01:03:38,640 --> 01:03:40,400
Brian. Um

1504
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:42,319
>> Trevor, you were you were here when we

1505
01:03:42,319 --> 01:03:44,400
had Jeff and Keith, right?

1506
01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:46,400
>> Yep. Met with them a couple times.

1507
01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:49,920
>> Yeah. Yeah. So, at the beginning of the

1508
01:03:49,920 --> 01:03:53,520
year, um yeah, probably like last

1509
01:03:53,520 --> 01:03:56,319
December, um the regional planning

1510
01:03:56,319 --> 01:03:58,079
commission reached out to me and said,

1511
01:03:58,079 --> 01:04:02,079
"Hey, we have a bunch of money for um

1512
01:04:02,079 --> 01:04:04,480
transit oriented development projects

1513
01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:06,480
and we don't know where to spend it. Do

1514
01:04:06,480 --> 01:04:08,720
you have a project?" And I was like,

1515
01:04:08,720 --> 01:04:11,280
>> "Absolutely

1516
01:04:11,280 --> 01:04:13,119
>> I do."

1517
01:04:13,119 --> 01:04:16,160
Um so working with the regional planning

1518
01:04:16,160 --> 01:04:18,480
commission and um working with their

1519
01:04:18,480 --> 01:04:21,119
focus on transit oriented development um

1520
01:04:21,119 --> 01:04:23,680
in which in Wooki we have transit that

1521
01:04:23,680 --> 01:04:25,280
serves our neighborhoods. The number

1522
01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:26,640
nine bus you know goes up and down

1523
01:04:26,640 --> 01:04:29,359
Hickok and sneaks its way through the

1524
01:04:29,359 --> 01:04:32,640
neighborhoods. Um we kind of we came up

1525
01:04:32,640 --> 01:04:36,160
with a project idea for um residential

1526
01:04:36,160 --> 01:04:38,720
building design. What is the design that

1527
01:04:38,720 --> 01:04:40,640
we want to see in our residential

1528
01:04:40,640 --> 01:04:43,760
neighborhoods? um and what are the

1529
01:04:43,760 --> 01:04:46,799
elements that we need to highlight in um

1530
01:04:46,799 --> 01:04:48,240
creating residential building form

1531
01:04:48,240 --> 01:04:50,880
standards. Um a lot of this stem from

1532
01:04:50,880 --> 01:04:53,119
Franklin Street um we were already

1533
01:04:53,119 --> 01:04:56,559
having some observations from planning

1534
01:04:56,559 --> 01:04:58,000
commission members at the time about

1535
01:04:58,000 --> 01:05:00,799
Franklin Street and its design um and

1536
01:05:00,799 --> 01:05:03,680
looking at the regulations and seeing a

1537
01:05:03,680 --> 01:05:08,079
gap. Um, so this uh helps to address

1538
01:05:08,079 --> 01:05:10,799
that gap that's in our regulations uh

1539
01:05:10,799 --> 01:05:13,119
while also helping us think more uh

1540
01:05:13,119 --> 01:05:15,359
proactively about how the city could

1541
01:05:15,359 --> 01:05:18,000
look in the future uh if we were to have

1542
01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:20,319
these design standards. Um, another

1543
01:05:20,319 --> 01:05:23,039
piece with this uh project I

1544
01:05:23,039 --> 01:05:24,960
specifically asked our consultants to

1545
01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:28,559
look at is whether our regulations

1546
01:05:28,559 --> 01:05:30,880
actually enable the priority housing

1547
01:05:30,880 --> 01:05:32,799
that the city is deeply interested in

1548
01:05:32,799 --> 01:05:36,240
seeing. Um, do the dimensional standards

1549
01:05:36,240 --> 01:05:38,799
make sense? Do they work? Um, are they

1550
01:05:38,799 --> 01:05:41,359
functional? Do they need to be changed?

1551
01:05:41,359 --> 01:05:45,039
Um, so they took that and they pretty

1552
01:05:45,039 --> 01:05:47,440
much ran with it with the with the with

1553
01:05:47,440 --> 01:05:49,839
the form pretty much. Um, so our

1554
01:05:49,839 --> 01:05:51,920
consultants, uh, Jeff Frell and Keith

1555
01:05:51,920 --> 01:05:55,440
Coington, um, Jeff Frell worked on our

1556
01:05:55,440 --> 01:05:57,920
formbbased code, um, and he developed it

1557
01:05:57,920 --> 01:06:01,440
back in 2015, 2016. Um, so they came on

1558
01:06:01,440 --> 01:06:04,000
board. um they were pre-selected by the

1559
01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:06,240
regional planning commission. Um so I

1560
01:06:06,240 --> 01:06:08,319
had so there was no consultant selection

1561
01:06:08,319 --> 01:06:12,559
process by me. Um because this was a a

1562
01:06:12,559 --> 01:06:13,760
grant that the regional planning

1563
01:06:13,760 --> 01:06:18,160
commission received from uh I don't

1564
01:06:18,160 --> 01:06:19,839
remember which agency but I know it was

1565
01:06:19,839 --> 01:06:23,359
a raise grant and it there was there was

1566
01:06:23,359 --> 01:06:25,599
nothing that we needed to pay for that

1567
01:06:25,599 --> 01:06:27,359
project. So this project came to us free

1568
01:06:27,359 --> 01:06:29,839
of charge uh through the raise grant

1569
01:06:29,839 --> 01:06:32,160
program through CCRPC.

1570
01:06:32,160 --> 01:06:36,960
Um so Jeff and Keith came on board uh in

1571
01:06:36,960 --> 01:06:38,720
mid to late January to work on this

1572
01:06:38,720 --> 01:06:42,720
project. Um and they came out to the

1573
01:06:42,720 --> 01:06:45,440
city in

1574
01:06:45,440 --> 01:06:48,720
late was it late February? No, late

1575
01:06:48,720 --> 01:06:49,599
March I want to say.

1576
01:06:49,599 --> 01:06:50,640
>> I would have guessed March.

1577
01:06:50,640 --> 01:06:52,480
>> March. I just remember it being cold so

1578
01:06:52,480 --> 01:06:54,240
that's why I was like is it February or

1579
01:06:54,240 --> 01:06:55,196
March?

1580
01:06:55,196 --> 01:06:55,359
>> [laughter]

1581
01:06:55,359 --> 01:06:56,880
>> That's right. We did a walk around.

1582
01:06:56,880 --> 01:06:57,760
>> Yes.

1583
01:06:57,760 --> 01:07:02,640
>> Yeah. So with um uh so for this project

1584
01:07:02,640 --> 01:07:05,680
um I not only solicited you for guidance

1585
01:07:05,680 --> 01:07:08,079
but also the housing commission and

1586
01:07:08,079 --> 01:07:10,720
local resource advisory board. So they

1587
01:07:10,720 --> 01:07:12,799
all had a part in providing input for

1588
01:07:12,799 --> 01:07:16,799
the project and uh were in the meetings

1589
01:07:16,799 --> 01:07:18,559
with Jeff and Keith during their

1590
01:07:18,559 --> 01:07:21,760
presentations providing input to them.

1591
01:07:21,760 --> 01:07:24,960
Uh I think they did uh I want to say

1592
01:07:24,960 --> 01:07:26,559
they they came to a meeting probably

1593
01:07:26,559 --> 01:07:29,520
they online um sometime in February came

1594
01:07:29,520 --> 01:07:33,039
in person in March uh did a walk around

1595
01:07:33,039 --> 01:07:34,559
uh and then did another draft

1596
01:07:34,559 --> 01:07:38,319
presentation in late April

1597
01:07:38,319 --> 01:07:41,200
um and then based on all those meetings

1598
01:07:41,200 --> 01:07:43,920
uh came up with the report that's in

1599
01:07:43,920 --> 01:07:46,160
front of you. Um many of the forms and

1600
01:07:46,160 --> 01:07:49,760
designs that are in part three um most

1601
01:07:49,760 --> 01:07:51,839
of you have already seen in previous

1602
01:07:51,839 --> 01:07:55,599
meetings. Um and they refined it a bit

1603
01:07:55,599 --> 01:07:58,240
to make sure that it had uh some of the

1604
01:07:58,240 --> 01:07:59,359
design elements that you were looking

1605
01:07:59,359 --> 01:08:01,599
for and the information that you were

1606
01:08:01,599 --> 01:08:06,240
looking for take from it. Um overall uh

1607
01:08:06,240 --> 01:08:10,160
they were able to uh show that priority

1608
01:08:10,160 --> 01:08:13,520
housing could be built on uh city lots.

1609
01:08:13,520 --> 01:08:16,239
Um they looked they didn't look across

1610
01:08:16,239 --> 01:08:17,759
the city and look at every single lot.

1611
01:08:17,759 --> 01:08:20,799
They took a sampling and I guided them

1612
01:08:20,799 --> 01:08:24,480
and said take a look at you know lots in

1613
01:08:24,480 --> 01:08:31,199
um PickOP and West Street. Take a look at lots on um Manso and on

1614
01:08:31,199 --> 01:08:34,799
Hood. Um look at the standard sizes and

1615
01:08:34,799 --> 01:08:37,279
determine whether the building forms can

1616
01:08:37,279 --> 01:08:40,319
be developed. Um standardized lots in

1617
01:08:40,319 --> 01:08:42,080
many sections of the RB district are 50

1618
01:08:42,080 --> 01:08:46,239
by 100. Um many of the lots that are in

1619
01:08:46,239 --> 01:08:49,920
uh like Hickok and West uh they can

1620
01:08:49,920 --> 01:08:54,239
range in from like 30 to 60 ft of

1621
01:08:54,239 --> 01:08:59,279
frontage. Um and then with

1622
01:08:59,279 --> 01:09:03,199
175 ft of lot depth. Um so that's what

1623
01:09:03,199 --> 01:09:06,159
they used as as dimensions.

1624
01:09:06,159 --> 01:09:09,920
um kind of off the off the bat um

1625
01:09:09,920 --> 01:09:13,040
looking at the the map looking at uh

1626
01:09:13,040 --> 01:09:15,359
transit accessibility

1627
01:09:15,359 --> 01:09:17,279
um the consultant said we're not going

1628
01:09:17,279 --> 01:09:21,839
to touch the RA district um so they said

1629
01:09:21,839 --> 01:09:24,400
that this is not uh based on what's

1630
01:09:24,400 --> 01:09:28,000
there mainly single unit houses um far

1631
01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:31,040
from transit in many locations without a

1632
01:09:31,040 --> 01:09:34,400
sidewalk um this would not be uh

1633
01:09:34,400 --> 01:09:37,520
suitable for having multi-unit buildings

1634
01:09:37,520 --> 01:09:40,640
there. Um so they said disre let's

1635
01:09:40,640 --> 01:09:42,400
disregard that and let's look at what

1636
01:09:42,400 --> 01:09:45,120
could what we should be planning for for

1637
01:09:45,120 --> 01:09:47,120
growth which is closer to transit closer

1638
01:09:47,120 --> 01:09:50,400
to our arterials um and areas that are

1639
01:09:50,400 --> 01:09:52,239
suitable for higher density development

1640
01:09:52,239 --> 01:09:54,480
and in locations that already have

1641
01:09:54,480 --> 01:09:58,320
multi-unit buildings already. Um, so all

1642
01:09:58,320 --> 01:10:00,880
the designs that are there, um, they

1643
01:10:00,880 --> 01:10:04,560
feature, um, mainly threebedroom

1644
01:10:04,560 --> 01:10:07,040
dwellings and fourbedroom dwellings,

1645
01:10:07,040 --> 01:10:08,800
mostly three-bedroom dwellings. I think

1646
01:10:08,800 --> 01:10:10,320
they had a few that might have been

1647
01:10:10,320 --> 01:10:13,520
two-bedroom dwellings because of the

1648
01:10:13,520 --> 01:10:17,520
space and um, they had a unique uh,

1649
01:10:17,520 --> 01:10:19,840
configuration setup with the tuck under

1650
01:10:19,840 --> 01:10:22,159
parking. So in those designs it would

1651
01:10:22,159 --> 01:10:24,719
have a ground floor two-bedroom uh unit

1652
01:10:24,719 --> 01:10:26,880
and then the top this the second and

1653
01:10:26,880 --> 01:10:28,239
third floor would be three-bedroom

1654
01:10:28,239 --> 01:10:31,199
units. Um they showed designs. Yes.

1655
01:10:31,199 --> 01:10:33,840
>> I mean wasn't the whole

1656
01:10:33,840 --> 01:10:36,400
purpose of it to to see how many

1657
01:10:36,400 --> 01:10:36,719
>> Yes.

1658
01:10:36,719 --> 01:10:38,560
>> threebedroom prior to home. So

1659
01:10:38,560 --> 01:10:40,000
threebedroom more unit.

1660
01:10:40,000 --> 01:10:43,520
>> Yes. So yes. So, they showed this with

1661
01:10:43,520 --> 01:10:45,920
um at 50% of law coverage. And I think

1662
01:10:45,920 --> 01:10:47,520
at the 50% lot coverage, that's where

1663
01:10:47,520 --> 01:10:50,640
they were towing a line on whether they

1664
01:10:50,640 --> 01:10:53,600
can actually get 50% lock coverage with

1665
01:10:53,600 --> 01:10:55,679
uh with all three-bedroom units. When

1666
01:10:55,679 --> 01:10:58,159
they got 65% lock coverage, they were

1667
01:10:58,159 --> 01:11:01,120
able to comfortably put in three-bedroom

1668
01:11:01,120 --> 01:11:05,040
units uh for all the dwelling units. Um

1669
01:11:05,040 --> 01:11:07,199
and even for the 50% lock coverage, they

1670
01:11:07,199 --> 01:11:08,800
suggested

1671
01:11:08,800 --> 01:11:14,000
some flexibility with that. too. So, um

1672
01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:17,840
removing um front porches from lock

1673
01:11:17,840 --> 01:11:20,800
coverage calculations um because that is

1674
01:11:20,800 --> 01:11:23,600
a quality that we want to see in in

1675
01:11:23,600 --> 01:11:26,400
buildings in Wooki. Um and we don't want

1676
01:11:26,400 --> 01:11:30,719
to penalize them for having it. Uh and

1677
01:11:30,719 --> 01:11:32,320
um and even with that too, they

1678
01:11:32,320 --> 01:11:35,199
suggested going from a base 50% lock

1679
01:11:35,199 --> 01:11:37,600
coverage to 55% lock coverage to allow

1680
01:11:37,600 --> 01:11:40,239
for more flexibility with maneuvering

1681
01:11:40,239 --> 01:11:44,800
and uh parking and uh building sizes. Uh

1682
01:11:44,800 --> 01:11:48,480
so so that is I think the general gist

1683
01:11:48,480 --> 01:11:49,840
of it [laughter]

1684
01:11:49,840 --> 01:11:53,360
that captures most of uh the report. I

1685
01:11:53,360 --> 01:11:56,800
think um they do have certain um other

1686
01:11:56,800 --> 01:11:58,960
recommendations as well.

1687
01:11:58,960 --> 01:12:02,159
um such as allowing for eight-unit

1688
01:12:02,159 --> 01:12:03,600
buildings instead of four-unit buildings

1689
01:12:03,600 --> 01:12:05,840
or more units in a building than our

1690
01:12:05,840 --> 01:12:08,800
current four unit building cap in the

1691
01:12:08,800 --> 01:12:12,080
residential districts. Um along with a

1692
01:12:12,080 --> 01:12:15,840
number of other smaller suggestions,

1693
01:12:15,840 --> 01:12:17,679
>> there was also street tree

1694
01:12:17,679 --> 01:12:19,120
recommendations that we hadn't seen

1695
01:12:19,120 --> 01:12:22,080
before, I noticed. Was there I guess

1696
01:12:22,080 --> 01:12:27,440
more to that maybe to mention? Yeah. So,

1697
01:12:27,440 --> 01:12:30,239
that was something that we had some

1698
01:12:30,239 --> 01:12:32,960
conversations about with how do we

1699
01:12:32,960 --> 01:12:34,480
encourage more street trees? And so,

1700
01:12:34,480 --> 01:12:37,760
they provided us um pretty much their

1701
01:12:37,760 --> 01:12:42,159
typicals for um street trees on a

1702
01:12:42,159 --> 01:12:45,280
rideway that's 49 1/2 ft, which is

1703
01:12:45,280 --> 01:12:48,320
standard size for for roads in Vermont,

1704
01:12:48,320 --> 01:12:51,199
three rods. Um what that could look like

1705
01:12:51,199 --> 01:12:53,760
and how that would appear. Um, I think

1706
01:12:53,760 --> 01:12:55,040
that's something that we could

1707
01:12:55,040 --> 01:12:59,679
incorporate into zoning, too. Um, for new streets. Um, it gets kind of

1708
01:12:59,679 --> 01:13:01,840
tougher with existing streets. Um, and

1709
01:13:01,840 --> 01:13:04,080
something that we'd have to uh have more

1710
01:13:04,080 --> 01:13:06,320
conversations about with council on how

1711
01:13:06,320 --> 01:13:10,239
we'd want to create more street trees on

1712
01:13:10,239 --> 01:13:15,910
our existing roads.

1713
01:13:15,920 --> 01:13:16,320
Okay.

1714
01:13:16,320 --> 01:13:21,189
>> Any other questions on this?

1715
01:13:21,199 --> 01:13:22,719
All right.

1716
01:13:22,719 --> 01:13:25,040
we'll move on.

1717
01:13:25,040 --> 01:13:26,719
>> There's probably I mean I think it would

1718
01:13:26,719 --> 01:13:29,840
be outside the scope of this but I guess

1719
01:13:29,840 --> 01:13:32,880
one thing I am thinking about is like

1720
01:13:32,880 --> 01:13:35,520
expected cost per unit which I think

1721
01:13:35,520 --> 01:13:37,120
that might have a big impact on which of

1722
01:13:37,120 --> 01:13:39,760
these we actually do see developed here.

1723
01:13:39,760 --> 01:13:42,400
Um but um yeah I guess I don't really

1724
01:13:42,400 --> 01:13:44,640
have a question but uh um you know just

1725
01:13:44,640 --> 01:13:46,800
one I think pretty important factor

1726
01:13:46,800 --> 01:13:48,159
that's just outside of the scope of

1727
01:13:48,159 --> 01:13:52,320
this. Yeah. And they they've been

1728
01:13:52,320 --> 01:13:55,440
acknowledged that in some conversations

1729
01:13:55,440 --> 01:13:58,640
that this the way that this the project

1730
01:13:58,640 --> 01:14:01,120
scope was defined to them was looking at

1731
01:14:01,120 --> 01:14:03,440
affordable 3-bedroom

1732
01:14:03,440 --> 01:14:06,320
uh dwelling units. And for projects that

1733
01:14:06,320 --> 01:14:07,520
involve affordable three-bedroom

1734
01:14:07,520 --> 01:14:09,199
dwelling units, that's typically done by

1735
01:14:09,199 --> 01:14:11,280
an affordable housing developer who is

1736
01:14:11,280 --> 01:14:15,440
getting um HUD funding, tax credits,

1737
01:14:15,440 --> 01:14:17,440
some sort of external funding in order

1738
01:14:17,440 --> 01:14:20,400
to to build it. Um so, so they kind of

1739
01:14:20,400 --> 01:14:22,000
took funding out of the question knowing

1740
01:14:22,000 --> 01:14:25,600
that it's going to be for a particular

1741
01:14:25,600 --> 01:14:28,000
uh audience. Um I think once we talk

1742
01:14:28,000 --> 01:14:29,920
about market rate, that's going to be a

1743
01:14:29,920 --> 01:14:33,199
whole other question of design and form.

1744
01:14:33,199 --> 01:14:35,760
Um, but I think that it's interesting

1745
01:14:35,760 --> 01:14:38,320
for us to look at to think about design

1746
01:14:38,320 --> 01:14:41,280
parameters. So that way when a developer

1747
01:14:41,280 --> 01:14:44,560
who's able to feasibly develop a 4unit

1748
01:14:44,560 --> 01:14:46,480
building at market rate wants to build

1749
01:14:46,480 --> 01:14:48,400
it, then we can at least say this is

1750
01:14:48,400 --> 01:14:50,080
what we're aspiring towards and these

1751
01:14:50,080 --> 01:14:52,080
are the design standards that we have.

1752
01:14:52,080 --> 01:14:58,630
So try to move towards that.

1753
01:14:58,640 --> 01:15:00,400
Okay,

1754
01:15:00,400 --> 01:15:02,880
move on to city updates and we'll start

1755
01:15:02,880 --> 01:15:04,560
with Mr. Mayor. Do you have any updates

1756
01:15:04,560 --> 01:15:05,600
for us?

1757
01:15:05,600 --> 01:15:09,280
>> Um, we're on our like August recess. So

1758
01:15:09,280 --> 01:15:11,760
no wa wa

1759
01:15:11,760 --> 01:15:16,149
>> like Congress just

1760
01:15:16,159 --> 01:15:18,560
none of the pay. But uh

1761
01:15:18,560 --> 01:15:22,239
>> we the um

1762
01:15:22,239 --> 01:15:24,800
there was an election uh which was thank

1763
01:15:24,800 --> 01:15:27,440
you to those who volunteered. Thanks to

1764
01:15:27,440 --> 01:15:31,520
those who ran. Congratulations. Um,

1765
01:15:31,520 --> 01:15:33,760
and it was I'm trying to unpull the

1766
01:15:33,760 --> 01:15:35,600
numbers now because the turnout was

1767
01:15:35,600 --> 01:15:38,159
actually 4867

1768
01:15:38,159 --> 01:15:38,880
or something.

1769
01:15:38,880 --> 01:15:42,000
>> It was

1770
01:15:42,000 --> 01:15:45,669
so

1771
01:15:45,679 --> 01:15:47,520
Yeah. 1,437

1772
01:15:47,520 --> 01:15:48,960
voters.

1773
01:15:48,960 --> 01:15:51,199
>> I overshot by 30. I'm sorry.

1774
01:15:51,199 --> 01:15:55,280
>> 81 voters who registered right there and

1775
01:15:55,280 --> 01:15:59,280
then to vote. So that was huge. So you

1776
01:15:59,280 --> 01:16:01,199
were there when we had a gentleman come

1777
01:16:01,199 --> 01:16:04,880
in who was obviously a new new American

1778
01:16:04,880 --> 01:16:06,640
who'd never voted before

1779
01:16:06,640 --> 01:16:09,760
>> and he he went to register with with

1780
01:16:09,760 --> 01:16:10,880
Jenny

1781
01:16:10,880 --> 01:16:13,679
>> and I think he was he was getting kind

1782
01:16:13,679 --> 01:16:16,000
of frustrated because you have to show

1783
01:16:16,000 --> 01:16:17,760
ID and stuff and he started to he said

1784
01:16:17,760 --> 01:16:19,360
well no I'm not going to do it

1785
01:16:19,360 --> 01:16:21,760
>> and there are about six of us

1786
01:16:21,760 --> 01:16:23,520
>> he wants you to vote we want you to vote

1787
01:16:23,520 --> 01:16:25,840
and he kind of looked and he says nah

1788
01:16:25,840 --> 01:16:28,080
and we kept after him he and He said,

1789
01:16:28,080 --> 01:16:30,480
"Okay." So, he went back and he voted.

1790
01:16:30,480 --> 01:16:36,080
>> And when he left, as he was leaving, he made a point of thanking all of us

1791
01:16:36,080 --> 01:16:37,840
for letting him vote. He thought it was

1792
01:16:37,840 --> 01:16:38,320
great.

1793
01:16:38,320 --> 01:16:40,159
>> Yeah. Really nice.

1794
01:16:40,159 --> 01:16:42,719
>> And you see that here quite a bit at the

1795
01:16:42,719 --> 01:16:45,520
polls, and I would encourage if anyone's

1796
01:16:45,520 --> 01:16:47,440
interested in working the polls

1797
01:16:47,440 --> 01:16:49,679
>> to do it. It's a It's

1798
01:16:49,679 --> 01:16:51,440
>> It's serious, but it's fun.

1799
01:16:51,440 --> 01:16:53,600
>> Yeah. No, it's really nice. I I love

1800
01:16:53,600 --> 01:16:56,320
doing it. Do it. Never. I'm not on the

1801
01:16:56,320 --> 01:16:58,320
ballot. And that's that's a really nice

1802
01:16:58,320 --> 01:17:01,760
way to to experience democracy and just

1803
01:17:01,760 --> 01:17:02,159
see

1804
01:17:02,159 --> 01:17:04,320
>> democracy in action, especially when a

1805
01:17:04,320 --> 01:17:06,239
new American, an older new American

1806
01:17:06,239 --> 01:17:08,480
comes in with like their grandson or

1807
01:17:08,480 --> 01:17:11,760
granddaughter who translates for them

1808
01:17:11,760 --> 01:17:13,679
>> and tells them what to do. So, it's kind

1809
01:17:13,679 --> 01:17:14,159
of cool.

1810
01:17:14,159 --> 01:17:17,840
>> That's It's nice. It's really nice. Um,

1811
01:17:17,840 --> 01:17:19,280
what else will be interesting to you

1812
01:17:19,280 --> 01:17:21,440
all? Uh, hotel should be opening up

1813
01:17:21,440 --> 01:17:23,440
September 21st.

1814
01:17:23,440 --> 01:17:26,159
Um,

1815
01:17:26,159 --> 01:17:33,280
let's see. Um, the workforce housing next to it is

1816
01:17:33,280 --> 01:17:35,679
starting to open up. They thought they

1817
01:17:35,679 --> 01:17:38,719
were going to be open the end of June.

1818
01:17:38,719 --> 01:17:40,880
That just didn't happen. The leases that

1819
01:17:40,880 --> 01:17:42,320
they've signed, all of the people who

1820
01:17:42,320 --> 01:17:43,653
signed those leases, they put them into

1821
01:17:43,653 --> 01:17:45,440
[clears throat] hotels

1822
01:17:45,440 --> 01:17:48,320
um until until their apartments are

1823
01:17:48,320 --> 01:17:53,199
ready. So, that's good. Um, but there

1824
01:17:53,199 --> 01:17:54,719
people should be moving in if they

1825
01:17:54,719 --> 01:17:56,080
haven't moved in already to the top

1826
01:17:56,080 --> 01:17:57,520
floor and they're just working right

1827
01:17:57,520 --> 01:17:58,239
now.

1828
01:17:58,239 --> 01:18:00,683
>> Is that was that 87? How many units is

1829
01:18:00,683 --> 01:18:01,679
[snorts] that?

1830
01:18:01,679 --> 01:18:03,760
>> 83.

1831
01:18:03,760 --> 01:18:04,400
>> Yeah.

1832
01:18:04,400 --> 01:18:06,080
It's nice. We did a tour the other

1833
01:18:06,080 --> 01:18:10,640
day. Really, really nice apartments. Um,

1834
01:18:10,640 --> 01:18:13,040
>> the uh hotel manager is trying to get

1835
01:18:13,040 --> 01:18:15,199
some of his people living in the in the

1836
01:18:15,199 --> 01:18:16,960
housing right next to work and got like

1837
01:18:16,960 --> 01:18:18,400
that. But

1838
01:18:18,400 --> 01:18:20,640
>> that pretty much completes the downtown.

1839
01:18:20,640 --> 01:18:23,280
Yeah, I mean that's started 25 years

1840
01:18:23,280 --> 01:18:23,760
ago.

1841
01:18:23,760 --> 01:18:25,600
>> Yeah, that's that's the last piece is

1842
01:18:25,600 --> 01:18:27,280
the hotel. So,

1843
01:18:27,280 --> 01:18:30,960
>> well there there are technically two

1844
01:18:30,960 --> 01:18:32,159
left,

1845
01:18:32,159 --> 01:18:35,920
>> but that's not considered done

1846
01:18:35,920 --> 01:18:37,360
and

1847
01:18:37,360 --> 01:18:40,480
>> No, I I I understand cuz one of the lots

1848
01:18:40,480 --> 01:18:42,239
probably can't be built on and the other

1849
01:18:42,239 --> 01:18:43,920
one

1850
01:18:43,920 --> 01:18:46,239
>> the east pad site I'm talking about was

1851
01:18:46,239 --> 01:18:50,159
proposed and the west pad site. Okay,

1852
01:18:50,159 --> 01:18:53,360
>> I'll leave that at that.

1853
01:18:53,360 --> 01:18:55,280
>> Is the hotel gonna have preeies?

1854
01:18:55,280 --> 01:18:56,480
>> What's that?

1855
01:18:56,480 --> 01:18:57,199
>> I heard a rumor.

1856
01:18:57,199 --> 01:18:59,840
>> Yes, but that the creamies are for

1857
01:18:59,840 --> 01:19:01,120
guests. So, you have to do this

1858
01:19:01,120 --> 01:19:03,120
location.

1859
01:19:03,120 --> 01:19:04,480
>> What' you ask?

1860
01:19:04,480 --> 01:19:06,080
>> I heard a rumor there might be creamies

1861
01:19:06,080 --> 01:19:06,800
at the hotel.

1862
01:19:06,800 --> 01:19:08,880
>> Yes. When you when you check in, you'll

1863
01:19:08,880 --> 01:19:10,239
get a creamy

1864
01:19:10,239 --> 01:19:11,520
>> at a rooftop restaurant.

1865
01:19:11,520 --> 01:19:12,880
>> But there's a rooftop restaurant

1866
01:19:12,880 --> 01:19:14,960
>> station.

1867
01:19:14,960 --> 01:19:16,640
It's It's night if you can if you can

1868
01:19:16,640 --> 01:19:18,320
swing it. A nice little station would be

1869
01:19:18,320 --> 01:19:19,920
good there. Right.

1870
01:19:19,920 --> 01:19:22,000
>> The rooftop restaurant is not a rotating

1871
01:19:22,000 --> 01:19:22,560
restaurant.

1872
01:19:22,560 --> 01:19:27,600
>> No. No. I guess

1873
01:19:27,600 --> 01:19:29,520
>> And the restaurant's open to the public.

1874
01:19:29,520 --> 01:19:31,360
>> Yeah. Restaurant. There's a restaurant

1875
01:19:31,360 --> 01:19:35,360
on the roof. There's a coffee bar

1876
01:19:35,360 --> 01:19:39,120
slashbar in the lobby that's open to the

1877
01:19:39,120 --> 01:19:40,560
public that will have like its own

1878
01:19:40,560 --> 01:19:41,920
entrance. So, if you just want to go for

1879
01:19:41,920 --> 01:19:44,800
a drink or for a coffee, you can easily.

1880
01:19:44,800 --> 01:19:47,040
Um the

1881
01:19:47,040 --> 01:19:48,640
Yeah.

1882
01:19:48,640 --> 01:19:50,320
But yeah, not the one piece. They

1883
01:19:50,320 --> 01:19:51,679
thought about silent time and they were

1884
01:19:51,679 --> 01:19:53,600
just like didn't want to deal with

1885
01:19:53,600 --> 01:19:54,719
having to figure out the whole

1886
01:19:54,719 --> 01:19:56,719
infrastructure. So, it's just a few

1887
01:19:56,719 --> 01:19:57,679
checks.

1888
01:19:57,679 --> 01:20:00,880
>> Future improvement.

1889
01:20:00,880 --> 01:20:06,470
>> Uh yeah, I'll go with that.

1890
01:20:06,480 --> 01:20:07,920
» That's it for your report.

1891
01:20:07,920 --> 01:20:08,560
>> That's it.

1892
01:20:08,560 --> 01:20:11,360
>> Okay. I said I'm on August recess, but

1893
01:20:11,360 --> 01:20:15,110
here I am.

1894
01:20:15,120 --> 01:20:17,520
» Well, thank you for coming, Thomas. hold

1895
01:20:17,520 --> 01:20:20,000
you off of your recess. [clears throat]

1896
01:20:20,000 --> 01:20:22,000
>> Uh is that like in kindergarten when we

1897
01:20:22,000 --> 01:20:22,880
had recess?

1898
01:20:22,880 --> 01:20:23,440
>> Kind of.

1899
01:20:23,440 --> 01:20:25,760
>> Okay.

1900
01:20:25,760 --> 01:20:28,800
>> Do we have a a liaison from the um

1901
01:20:28,800 --> 01:20:31,440
inclusion and belonging commission?

1902
01:20:31,440 --> 01:20:36,719
>> I don't know. I know that they're still

1903
01:20:36,719 --> 01:20:39,040
>> they're doing

1904
01:20:39,040 --> 01:20:39,440
stuff.

1905
01:20:39,440 --> 01:20:41,120
>> They're doing some restructuring.

1906
01:20:41,120 --> 01:20:45,120
>> Okay. Um, I've been including King in

1907
01:20:45,120 --> 01:20:48,320
the emails out or agendas and for for

1908
01:20:48,320 --> 01:20:51,280
future meetings. Um, but I'm not sure if

1909
01:20:51,280 --> 01:20:54,560
King is still the liaison. Um, so I

1910
01:20:54,560 --> 01:20:56,800
think that's to to be determined once

1911
01:20:56,800 --> 01:20:59,440
they figure out their structure.

1912
01:20:59,440 --> 01:21:00,880
>> All right. So, we'll jump to updates

1913
01:21:00,880 --> 01:21:02,880
from city staff. That's you, Revie.

1914
01:21:02,880 --> 01:21:06,000
>> Yeah. Um, let's see. Uh, so we have the

1915
01:21:06,000 --> 01:21:08,159
open house in two weeks for Safe,

1916
01:21:08,159 --> 01:21:11,280
Healthy, Connected. Um DRB is meeting

1917
01:21:11,280 --> 01:21:14,560
next week to talk about ULUDR updates

1918
01:21:14,560 --> 01:21:18,480
that we've all done. Um no applications

1919
01:21:18,480 --> 01:21:20,000
currently.

1920
01:21:20,000 --> 01:21:24,560
Um the the Armory application is on my

1921
01:21:24,560 --> 01:21:27,280
desk uh and it's undergoing internal

1922
01:21:27,280 --> 01:21:29,360
review right now. Hasn't been warned

1923
01:21:29,360 --> 01:21:33,199
yet. So um yeah, it's to be determined

1924
01:21:33,199 --> 01:21:37,600
for that. Um, I think

1925
01:21:37,600 --> 01:21:41,520
that might be the most that I have.

1926
01:21:41,520 --> 01:21:42,000
>> Okay.

1927
01:21:42,000 --> 01:21:42,719
>> Yeah,

1928
01:21:42,719 --> 01:21:44,320
>> that's okay. We might get out of here by

1929
01:21:44,320 --> 01:21:44,880
eight.

1930
01:21:44,880 --> 01:21:46,560
>> Yeah. Wow.

1931
01:21:46,560 --> 01:21:49,679
>> Uh, any other business from members of

1932
01:21:49,679 --> 01:21:54,149
the planning commission?

1933
01:21:54,159 --> 01:21:57,270
» Trevor,

1934
01:21:57,280 --> 01:21:59,040
» I did just start thinking about how

1935
01:21:59,040 --> 01:22:01,360
there's a surprising lack of creamies

1936
01:22:01,360 --> 01:22:04,719
available in Wooki. There's no

1937
01:22:04,719 --> 01:22:06,960
>> chicks.

1938
01:22:06,960 --> 01:22:09,600
>> Yeah, I got one last

1939
01:22:09,600 --> 01:22:11,440
plug.

1940
01:22:11,440 --> 01:22:13,199
>> I ran into some tourists who were

1941
01:22:13,199 --> 01:22:14,800
walking out of chicks asking if there

1942
01:22:14,800 --> 01:22:18,239
were other creamy options and um they I

1943
01:22:18,239 --> 01:22:20,000
wasn't able to give them one in Wooki.

1944
01:22:20,000 --> 01:22:22,960
So, something to think about.

1945
01:22:22,960 --> 01:22:24,480
>> Waterworks happened for a little bit,

1946
01:22:24,480 --> 01:22:26,639
but not enough of us were buying

1947
01:22:26,639 --> 01:22:29,760
premiums apparently. M well if you want

1948
01:22:29,760 --> 01:22:31,840
to start a business

1949
01:22:31,840 --> 01:22:32,880
>> there you go

1950
01:22:32,880 --> 01:22:36,639
>> vacant uh well say so

1951
01:22:36,639 --> 01:22:39,520
>> all right um I think that's it if

1952
01:22:39,520 --> 01:22:40,880
there's nothing else I'll look for a

1953
01:22:40,880 --> 01:22:43,679
motion to adjourn

1954
01:22:43,679 --> 01:22:44,719
>> I make a motion

1955
01:22:44,719 --> 01:22:45,440
>> okay

1956
01:22:45,440 --> 01:22:46,320
>> second

1957
01:22:46,320 --> 01:22:49,280
>> all right uh before we vote on it thank

1958
01:22:49,280 --> 01:22:53,679
you all for coming Ruby Brian Matt John

1959
01:22:53,679 --> 01:22:55,520
Trevor

1960
01:22:55,520 --> 01:22:59,280
Thomas Revy And all in favor of leaving

1961
01:22:59,280 --> 01:23:01,040
a journey.

1962
01:23:01,040 --> 01:23:03,760
>> I thank you Mike also.

1963
01:23:03,760 --> 01:23:05,040
>> All right. Good night everyone.

1964
01:23:05,040 --> 01:23:05,840
>> Thank you.

1965
01:23:05,840 --> 01:23:09,840
But bigger.