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I think it is 7 o'clock. So I will call
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with the pledge of allegiance.

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» I pledge to the flag of the United
States of America and [clears throat] to

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the republic for which it stands one
nation under God indivisible with

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liberty and justice for all for all.

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» All right. Um, I said a couple of things
before we jump into our agenda. Um, one

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thing I just wanted to give a shout out
to the um, TCA Tri Community Arts. They

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just finished the um, musical this
weekend at the [clears throat] high

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school in town and it was fantastic. Um,
I'm a little prejudice because my

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husband was in it, but um, it was just
the best example of community and

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passion and [clears throat] people who
just volunteered their time and threw

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themselves into it. So, if you were
there, I hope you loved it. And if you

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weren't, um, I really encourage you to
go next year because there's just such a

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bunch of talented people is really just
a super thing for our community. So,

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hats off to the Tri Community Arts. Um,
a couple other things, too. I just

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wanted to be able to communicate with
um, the community a little bit. Several

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people have approached me in the last
couple of weeks and I know that others

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have contacted the city office with
similar concerns um regarding political

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candidate advertising signs on the
welcome to on and around the welcome to

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Winthrop sign on the west end of town.
Um political signs are prohibited on

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city property and because cities
shouldn't look like they're supporting

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any candidate of any kind. um that
welcome to Winthrup sign has been an

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issue um and the city does not own the
property. So although driving by anyone

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would assume that um it is city
controlled and it looks like we're

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violating those bans on um political
advertising, it's not something the city

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can control. Um, but the only thing I
would do is um encourage residents if

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they have concerns about that and they
don't think those signs are appropriate,

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they could um contact the property owner
and um if you're wondering about that,

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property ownership information can be
found on the Sibly County website.

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Um, and then I would also just like to
remind everybody that if you have

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questions or concerns about anything,
city programs, um, something the city

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council is voting on or not voting on or
considering, there's lots of ways to

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register concerns or ask questions and
get more information. You can stop in

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and talk to our city staff. You can call
them. You can email and call anybody on

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council.
What doesn't get you timely or accurate

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information is depending on Facebook or
another social media post. The city

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doesn't respond to comments um or get
into debates on social media. And for

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myself, I make it a personal policy to
avoid Facebook discussions. I don't

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spend a lot of time on social media and
I just don't think that's the best

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platform for um good communication.
And I'm making a point about this

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because when we get tagged with the city
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we're tagged in a post and we don't
respond, it probably looks to people

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like, "Ah, she doesn't care. She's not
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that."
And and that's really not true. We we do

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not we cannot govern by Facebook. We do
care about what residents have to say

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and what you think. Um, but everybody
has to be willing to talk to us so that

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we can listen to what you have to say.
And I I think people would be surprised

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by this. I looked back at my email and
my call log for the last two months.

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During that time, I didn't have a single
email from a resident with a question or

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concern. I did have a couple of calls um
after the June meeting. Um, people

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called me about that and nothing since
then. Over the weekend, I read a couple

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of Facebook posts and I reached out to
the individuals who had um raised some

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concerns. I shared some information with
them and um answered some questions they

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had and I happy to do that, but I had to
initiate that. That was not something

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that they felt comfortable coming to
meet with. None of us sitting here is

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afraid of having conversations with
anyone. In fact, we welcome

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conversations with residents. It's the
only way you can get answers to

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questions is if you ask. I think this is
especially relevant um because we're

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doing a budget work session tonight.
There's a lot of information and um if

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you're like me, you'll probably think
about it and tomorrow afternoon or

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Wednesday morning you're going to say,
"Oh, wow. I wonder about that." If

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questions come up, please reach out and
ask us because we really do want to talk

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to you and um especially city staff if
it's budget related things, they can

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answer questions very efficiently. So, I
just wanted to make sure that was clear.

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Um and with that, we'll move on with
approval of the agenda.

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» I move to approve it. [clears throat]
>> Second. Motion to approve and a second.

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Um, any discussion? Any discussion?
All those in favor, please say I. I. Any

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opposed? Motion carried. Um, onto the
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The minutes of city county financial and
sewer adjustment forms.

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Anybody have questions or want to make a
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There's only three of you, so you're
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» jump in and take turns.
>> I'll make the motion.

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» All right. Motion to approve by Jenny.
>> I'll second.

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» Second by Don. Any discussion? Any
discussion? All those in favor, please

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say I.
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» I. Post. Same. Motion carried. All
right. New business. Um, the small

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town's grant application.
Who's telling us about that? Heather or

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Michael?
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» Okay. Uh so about two years ago we
applied for a blind grant to do a

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community garden. It's something that
the community has on multiple occasions

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brought up that they want somewhere to
plant and have it in the community. Um

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South Park is um a good place for this.
It's um probably one of the places that

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is not um the most used especially with
our parking permit instead of the large

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park. Um what we put before you was a
full proposal that we put together for

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Blandon. Um the grant is only $10,000.
So obviously we won't be able to do

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everything in that grant proposal. Um we
have to match it uh with 2500 of the

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funds. So um you know there's things in
there like running a water line. Well,

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right away I don't think we really need
to run a water line or we don't need to

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have a shed for um for tools and stuff,
you know, the first couple years. We can

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figure that out later on. Um but this
grant proposal um we haven't submitted.

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We're just asking council if this is
still something that we're interested

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in, if we want to continue to do it. Um
if we do, we'll apply to the Southern

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Minnesota Initiative Foundation with
this grant and some of the proposals.

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Um,
I think that, uh, [clears throat] with

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the amount of money that they're
getting, the amount that beds cost,

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especially the raised garden beds and
the ADA accessible ones, uh, Troy and

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public works will actually pour some of
the concrete for the pad. Um, so that'll

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save quite a bit of money. Uh, but you
won't actually take most of South Park.

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Maybe half of it to begin with, and then
we can add on just depending on

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community need. Um the parks committee
like three gosh maybe it's only four

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years ago actually already worked on a
policy for community gardens within the

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city of Winthrup. Um that policy never
passed council. So if we do get this we

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might want to work on that but it's you
know basic stuff like take care of your

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garden bed if you have extra fruit or
vegetables donate them to the farmers

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market on Monday etc etc. Um,
so this proposal is just to submit the

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grant. It's not committing any
additional funds. And again, we can

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scale that back. If we don't want to put
a water line right in, that's completely

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okay. We have a water cart that they can
certainly use until we can figure out a

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fundraiser or something to improve it.
Again, the shed, I think, was like three

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or $5,000. We don't need to do that
right away. Um, if we could just do the

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basics, buy the garden beds, get some
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would be put in the spring of 2027.
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» So, SAS is just looking for permission
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» So, do you want a motion to submit the
grant or you want to discuss it?

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» Yeah, either. I think I I'll make a
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» Okay.
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something like that down there.
>> Okay. So, we have a motion to um submit

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the grant. Is there a second?
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» All right. Any discussion?
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» Maybe somewhere down the road somebody
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like the
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» I mean if it kind of gets going and
people like it.

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» Yeah. That could be a community.
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» Supported thing, too. That's a good
idea. Um, any other discussion?

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» All right. All those in favor, please
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» I.
>> I. Oppos. Motion carried.

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Uh, 4.2.
Um, quick before I go on with that,

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how's the how are the microphones
sounding? Is it helping?

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» Okay, great. Wonderful. Um, so 4.2,
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Um, I'll just talk about this for a
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at the admin committee has talked about
for um some time because with only two

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city staff in the office um it's it is
difficult to make sure that we're open

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all the hours we want to be and it's
also very difficult for them to um

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effectively work on longer term projects
more intense you know must focus on

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things when they have to hop up and
answer the door in the phone. And um I

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think this is a really good example of
effective use of our city resources. Um,

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you know, we're we are paying the city
clerk and the city administrator

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more than we should be for somebody
who's going to and not that there's

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anything wrong with them answering the
phone or interacting with the resident

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when that happens, but it would I think
it makes sense to have someone else um

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in that position for a certain number of
hours per week so that um the clerk and

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administrator can focus on some of the
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So there's that. Um Michael, you want to
give some more

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background on it?

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» Yeah. So this came out of the admin
committee. Um and we've been talking

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about
um whether we want to, you know, shut

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down on Fridays and get staff time done
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And I think, you know, with backing up
the points that Julie has, you know,

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again, this week I'm I'm gone. I'm on
vacation. Heather has a medical

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appointment on Friday and we're going to
be gone on Friday. So, city hall will be

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closed on Friday. Same with the primary
in the general election. We have new

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judges. Heather and I have to be there.
Um so during the primary which is the

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11th by the way if you don't remember um
uh the city hall will also be closed and

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you know it's not always convenient uh
to be closed on Fridays and it's not

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always convenient um you know even
during lunchtime uh you know we

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generally stay open because we
understand that that's when other people

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uh you know can make it work in their
schedule. Well, you know, we generally

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don't get uninterrupted break times or
lunch times, which is fine. I mean,

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Heather and I are flexible when it comes
to that. Now, you march down to the post

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office during lunch and they're closed,
right? That's because it's actually a

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law that says that they get
uninterrupted breaks. We're fine with

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it. But that type of um
distractions like MMPA's call on Tuesday

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last week, they had a special one. It
was a three and a half hour call and I

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got interrupted multiple times when
we're talking about upcoming rates and

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changes and you know we were talking
about data centers and energies and

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substations and those things were really
important right and you know getting

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interrupted multiple times um because
Heather was with someone you know and

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there's another two or three people to
lobby anyway so that is really important

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so this came out of the admin committee
for a solution to say well what if we

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hired someone you know part-time, 20 to
30 hours. Um, you know, this is a 15 to

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20 hour, a dollar an hour job. If you
look in the packet on page two, those

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financial analysis and scenarios, I
think, are really important. This is um

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would be paid for out of our enterprise
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water, sewer, and electric.
And if you look at just some of the

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scenarios, and we couldn't cover all of
them, but if they were to work about 20

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hours a week, which is actually what we
would propose, um especially during the

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first two weeks of the month, those are
always our busiest in the office. It's

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obviously when everyone is making
payments and we're doing a lot more. Um

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it's also when we get ready for council,
it's just busier those those times. And

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so th those 20 hours um as you can see
the annual cost is about $17,000 that

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would go to the enterprise funds. Each
one of those enterprise funds would

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absorb about $6,000 worth of um funds
which um you know based on the audit

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last year and our financial standings
this year u those three funds could

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handle that. Um, if we get a more
qualified person or if they're there,

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you know, if there's a cap of $20, even
if they worked 30 hours, uh, that's

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about $35,000 a year, um, or $11,000.
The other financial considerations are

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this is we would have to buy a new
computer or reuse one of ours. It pretty

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minimal to wipe a computer.
Um, but we wouldn't uh set them up with

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full Microsoft. Uh, it's just not
something that they're going to need.

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This person is a coordinator for a
reason. They're going to really focus

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on, you know, taking bills from people,
doing work orders to public works, you

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know, they're not taking really a whole
lot of Heather's job. Um, which was kind

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of what happened in the past. They
started doing financial things um as a

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utility clerk. We're not asking them to
do that. Um, we're just asking them to

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help the public and help public works
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Um, other than that, there's really uh
not a lot of

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other expectations for that employee.
Again, it's part time.

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» I wanted to clarify that too from um
admin committee. It [clears throat] this

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is a part-time position. We're not
looking at it growing into a full-time

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[clears throat] benefited position. This
is meant to be a a limited part-time

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position.
>> Yes. but really about dog takes and ATV

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things and taking payments.
>> Sorry, question. Um, if

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you didn't need the person, like if it
got slow, would they be able to go home

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or would they work more hours the first
two weeks of the month and then work

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lesser hours the last two weeks? You
know, would it be flexible like that?

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Yeah, I I think that um it would be very
flexible like that. Uh honestly, the

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last two weeks of the month are usually
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weeks. Um it's just over that time that
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» so they wouldn't be guaranteed, you
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» No. Okay.

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And I think um the the example that um
came to my mind was um there's a nice

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new bench if you look down at Honeybee
Heights. Um it was put there a family in

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Tom Tom's Plumbing and Heating had a
business there and his family is a

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memorial wanted to put a bench there
with a little inscription and um you

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know it that sort of thing would be
perfect for a person in that position.

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they could be the, you know, they would
be the face that someone would see when

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they come in to talk to somebody. Um,
they could just move through that

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process. It, it got done and it's great,
but that kind of project, while it's

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really important, probably isn't as
important as getting utility bills out

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and, you know, the the things that the
clerk and the administer have to get

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done all the time. So, I don't want
things like small things like that that

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are important need they they still need
attention. And I think to have someone

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someone there um as the face of you
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think would be helpful also.

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So does anybody on council have a a
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a motion in support or
>> I think the other question that staff

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needs answers is this is for the 2027
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think that needs to be discussed at some
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discussed it as a this will be a 2027
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Where's our how's our budget looking
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do we have money
would you know if if we if it seemed

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like a good time to start training
somebody in say October or November

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could we start it earlier or um without
unduly burdening the budget.

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» Yeah, between those three enterprise
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now. Also, it's really hard to train in
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audit. So, we don't really enjoy I mean,
but we will be flexible. We don't we

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don't car. So maybe it would be worth
considering hiring in the fall

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so that you could Would that make more
sense to hire to train someone before

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you get into January, February
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I'm Yeah, I would say that it's easier
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the springtime
>> because I think that would have a

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relatively small impact on the 26 budget
if you were adding a part-time employee

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for
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or even halfway through October.

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But council, what are your wishes?
I think I would like to look at the

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budget for 2027 a little bit before we
decide on this tonight. Um I don't know

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if maybe we could table it till next
month and you know we can look at the

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budget a little more but that's my idea.
>> I think I'll with that.

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» Okay.
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September.
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All right. Um 4.3
water, sewer, and electric ordinance

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update.

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» Um go ahead.
>> My voice is loud enough, I think. Can

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you guys hear me? No.

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» No. I'm going to have to talk normal
because mine comes through really clear.

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Uh this is just the second reading. I
did go ahead and make the adjustments to

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what you guys said last month as far as
taking the dollar amounts out and

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putting as assigned by council on the
fee schedule. Those were the only

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changes that were made. So, this is just
the requirement of the second reading of

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the
ordinance before it goes to the paper.

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» Okay. And you don't need any action from
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» Yeah, we need approval of 4.3 and 4.4.
The same thing. They're both a second

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reading. The um the updates then we'll
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days and then we can codify them.
>> Okay. Would you like those as separate

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motions for the record?
>> All right. I'll make a motion for the

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first one.
>> All right. There's a motion. Is there a

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second?
>> I'll second.

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» Motion and second. Um any discussion on
water, sewer, and electricity ordinance?

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Any discussion? Any discussion? All
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» I. Opposed. Uh motion carried. And then
chapter 9 updates and revisions.

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» Uh these revisions actually came um out
of just confusion above are adopting a

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Minnesota peak schedule. So it's just
changing the language at the top letting

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them know that they need to look at the
appendix for the cost for per building

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permits. Um I will tell you that chapter
9 is probably going to go through a lot

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of revisions. Planning and zoning is
working on on chapter 9 right now. So,

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they're going to be recommending quite a
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» Okay.
Anybody like to make a motion regarding

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that second reading of chapter 9?
>> I'll make a motion again to approve that

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» motion. Is there a second? I'll second.
Uh, any discussion? Any discussion? Any

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discussion? All those in favor, please
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» I. Same sign. Motion carried. All right.
Um, we can move on to committee notices

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and updates,
administration and EDA.

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» Um, so I've been trying to put the
inserts that we put in the utility bill

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in the agenda packets. I don't know if
that's helpful or not, but just to get

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another look at them. Um, right now
we're really working um with streams and

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the MDH, the Minnesota Department of
Health is kind of holding this process

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up. um or sorry MPA and the PCA sorry uh
and we we just have had some problems

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with fluent limits. So before we can
build something that is substantial we

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have to know how to build it and that's
what the affluent limits are going to

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give us. So what we can discharge into
the stream um is really difficult

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because New Auburn right now they they
irrigate. So they're not like us.

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they're not like Lafayette and so the
permitting process has been a little bit

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challenging plus the two industries uh
that would have a significant user

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agreement with they're involved with
that too which have two different

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discharge permits. So we're still
working on streams. I just want to let

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you know that you know we're kind of in
this holding pattern as the PCA um

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continues to review that. Um we're also
in contention um

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doing a um grant for workforce
development housing that is still going

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through. We have not heard back I would
assume sometime this fall um with a

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spring date. Um there wasn't very many
applications uh honestly and we take

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priority because we're a population of
5,000. So it's likely that we'll get it

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um which is good.
>> Great.

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» And then obviously they worked on the
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have another meeting upcoming.
>> All right, any questions on admit uh

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library?

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Yes. So, I wasn't able to stay at the
last library board meeting for very

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long. Um you and I left early for the
Gaylord Try Line. Uh but we did have a

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board meeting on July 20th and our next
meeting is August 17th.

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Um I don't know if Lori or Jamie, you
have anything to add.

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Our programs have been going really
well. We had a successful program today

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» with back to school bingo school
supplies and blue animal balloons and

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face painting. So
>> great.

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» No, it's okay. Official
>> and I know that uh some people from the

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library are meeting with the county
commissioners on August 25th.

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» Yes.
>> To talk about library funding.

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» Yes. So, and we did talk at admin
committee too about um hiring a very

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part-time or limited number of hours
position for the library to cover some

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of those evenings and Saturdays so that
the library can be open for people to to

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be there. So, [clears throat] that will
look for that to come. Jo, could I say

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something?
>> Yep.

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» I attended the last two um what was the
zoo one?

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» The zoo.
>> The red zoo.

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» The red zoo. Um, it was packed in here.
It was awesome program. Kids loved it.

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And the one today, the bingo was a
blast. In fact, Jean had to set up more

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tables because there was more people
there. Awesome.

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» So, keep up the good work, library.
>> Thank you.

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» Yeah, I you two are doing a fantastic
job. It's It's fun to see.

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» All right. Um, good. Moving on to public
works. doing anything or

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» um the the only thing that uh that
really comes to mind is, you know, just

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general maintenance, street sweeping. Uh
we do have um I guess this is more

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utilities, but we do have a water main
break on Fourth Street. It's a very

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small trickle, so you're going to see
some work done on Fourth Street. Um

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we're also replacing some storm sewers
by like the drive-in. There's one by

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Zion, the church's personage that is
still broken. Um, so we're working on

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that stuff that's kind of the season
type of thing. Um, there was also some

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irregularities in our pumping to our
ponds and we couldn't figure out where

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it came from. Um, about two months ago,
our actual pumps in the water plants

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started acting up and they weren't
coordinating very well. We have um

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enlisted some help from pump works to
make sure that their the VFDs are not

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misfiring again. It would pump really
heavy and then overflow and then it

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would stop and it would get really low.
Um but some of that actually had to do

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with where the missing water was coming
from. So a lot of people don't know

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this, but we keep track of all the water
we pump out of the ground and all the

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water we discharge and they should
pretty much equal out it. And there was

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a significant amount of water that we
were not accounting for through a water

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meter or you know somewhere where
through our force man. So we did figure

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it out this week but I just want to
report that we were we were working on

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that. So if you saw people running
around and popping bang holes that's

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what was going on. Um the park's been
very very busy. Uh I want to thank the

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public for keeping the bathrooms clean.
They have done a really good job about

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keeping bathrooms clean. Um, I opened up
on Sunday and poked my head in, got the

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cleaner out, and I didn't even need it.
It was that clean in there. So, we

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appreciate that. Um, there's going to be
some mild spraying. The sod has some

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weeds coming through just to kind of
regulate that and control it. Um,

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but a lot of use on the public path, so
we're going to try to keep those swept.

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We know that there's been a lot of wood
chips everywhere. Um and then uh there

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was some um obviously we'll talk about
this at the budget, but there's some

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alleyways that are the entrances are
really failing. So we're going to have

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to address that at some point.
>> And a quick note about parks. Um I have

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a friend who works for dispatch for
Trailblazer Transit and they saw last

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week and she said, "Wow, you have got so
much traffic going on in that park.

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She's been scheduling rides for families
and groups that and they're headed to

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Winthre to use the splash pad. So, I
thought that was really nice to hear.

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[clears throat]
>> All right. Um, any questions for

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utilities or public works? Um, ambulance
got anything? Kristen, you got anything

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to report?

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Okay,
sounds good. Um, fire, I've seen

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nothing.
>> Uh, nothing. Um, so last week, I think

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it was last week and maybe the week
before. Um, the fire departments in

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Sibly County actually held a meeting uh
with the West

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» Oh, yeah.
>> burrow. I'm going to screw up their

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name. Westboro Fire Department District.
It's something like that. It's the west

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side of the metro. There's like five or
six cities that actually join one fire

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district. Adam had them come down and
have a great conversation with the fire

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chiefs in Sway County. Um Henderson was
here, Gaylord was here, Arlington and

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given
new law show. There's anyway there was

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five. Um
it was a really good discussion. Um you

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know they had the same problems we had.
It's really about cost savings on the

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back end. you know, um buying six pumper
trucks between Gibbon Gaylord and us

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just isn't necessary for how much we use
it. So that's millions of dollars um

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that could be saved if we combined in
one district. So um

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just, you know, just a lot to cover
there. Uh Adam has some really good

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notes and we talked about it this last
Friday. So I just wanted to let you know

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that they've been having those
discussions.

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Okay.
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What you got for Logan?

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» Um, [clears throat] so we posted for
>> I do that.

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» There you go.

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Oh, that's

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» okay. So,
>> we posted for our full-time officer um

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with admin admin committee's approval.
We already have four applicants um for

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the posting. Mike and Michael and I will
be um scheduling interviews here um over

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the next couple weeks.
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I just got back today from Roseville PD.
Um, I was the assessor for the Minnesota

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Law Enforcement Accreditation Program,
uh, for Roseville PD. So, that was a

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really enlightening experience. Um,
they'll be the first agency to be

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accredited in Minnesota and then we're
right on track uh, behind them when we

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get to the mock assessment phase. And so
that was very very cool experience. Uh

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just wanted to give another heads up.
National night out tomorrow. Um

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hopefully everyone can make it. We'll
have some hot dogs, chips, and some

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drinks and stuff out there. So should be
a good time. Can Nash will be there if

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anyone wants to see him make an
appearance. Um, and then like Kristen

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said, that opiate settlement funding
money, uh, Sibly County has been

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allocated several hundred,000
um to for opiate combating opiates. So,

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um, I did submit for that. Um, it's
actually a device that I think I

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mentioned before, but it's to identify
all the 35,000 different types of

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substances that uh can fall under
[clears throat] the opiate opiate thing.

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So hopefully we can get that. Um, it's
not something that we would be able to

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00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:54,000
afford if without this money and I think
it would be uh really beneficial to

410
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:58,159
officers in all of Sibli County to use
it.

411
00:32:55,200 --> 00:33:02,000
» Who you submit to? Is it like specific
county that they got the money and and

412
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:05,679
that's who you have to submit a request
to or

413
00:33:03,039 --> 00:33:11,600
» Yeah. So, we I submitted it back in
earlier this year and they uh revised

414
00:33:09,519 --> 00:33:15,600
their protocols and they're accepting
applications until the end of October it

415
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:21,200
sounds like now. And then the
commissioners will uh review the

416
00:33:17,919 --> 00:33:27,600
applications and then grant money for
whatever the projects are. Okay.

417
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:32,080
» Any questions for Logan?
I just want to clarify the posting for

418
00:33:29,519 --> 00:33:37,679
that position. Um, it's it's that's not
anything new. That's fully covered in

419
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:42,720
our 2026 budget and department plan. So,
we're just filling a position from that

420
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:44,000
Reed when he moved on and left.
>> Yep.

421
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:48,000
» Was open.
>> Yeah. So,

422
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:53,200
» so good. Great. Thank you.
>> Thank you.

423
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:57,039
» Uh, cable commission.
>> We have not.

424
00:33:54,399 --> 00:34:00,799
» Okay. Then we can move on. The last
thing is adjournment and then we can

425
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:03,679
move into the budget session. Um,
somebody like to mot to adjourn the

426
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:06,240
actual council meeting.
>> I'll make a motion to adjurnn the actual

427
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,639
meeting. Okay.
>> Is there a second?

428
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:11,359
» Second.
>> Uh, all those in favor?

429
00:34:10,159 --> 00:34:14,879
» I.
>> We are adjourned.

430
00:34:12,879 --> 00:34:19,919
» All right. Then we can move on to the
budget work session. And um, we've done

431
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:25,599
it. We'll probably do it kind of like we
did last year. Um we'll go over um

432
00:34:23,919 --> 00:34:29,679
probably Michael and Heather will do
most of the talking because they're the

433
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:36,000
people who know all the numbers. Um when
we do each um kind of individual budget

434
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:40,000
section um when we're done council
discussing that we'll open it up to um

435
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:45,119
anybody from the public who wants to
comment and we'll you know everybody if

436
00:34:42,159 --> 00:34:49,119
you can so that we can get through this
um relatively efficiently. Um, if

437
00:34:47,679 --> 00:34:55,280
everybody can, you know, limit your
comments to about two minutes and one

438
00:34:52,079 --> 00:35:00,800
comment per person per category, I
guess, if you want to look at it that

439
00:34:56,800 --> 00:35:05,680
way. Um, so let's move on.
>> Sure. Um, so I just want to clarify,

440
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:11,920
we're dealing tonight with the general
budget, so not um any of the enterprise

441
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:18,079
funds. So we'll talk about water, sewer,
and electric um this next budget work

442
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:24,000
session. it's just a lot easier and far
more clear to talk about that stuff when

443
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:28,774
it's separated. Um,
just to let the public know and those in

444
00:35:26,240 --> 00:35:32,800
the audience, uh, there's three
[clears throat] primary work budget

445
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:39,280
sessions scheduled. So, obviously
tonight, um, August 17th, uh, uh, is

446
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:41,359
also Monday at 7 p.m. we'll have another
budget work session. That's the one

447
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:45,920
where we're going to talk about
enterprise funds. We're going to talk

448
00:35:42,720 --> 00:35:52,560
about rates for water, sewer, electric.
Um, and then September 14th is our

449
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:57,040
normal council meeting because, uh, it's
Labor Day weekend, the weekend before,

450
00:35:54,640 --> 00:36:02,240
so we can't, uh, hold meetings on
holidays.

451
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:07,599
So, September 14th, uh, will be the day
that's really going to drive me. it's

452
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:13,200
going to be the day um that we'll
actually pass the preliminary budget if

453
00:36:09,599 --> 00:36:16,960
council feels um prepared and ready. Um
otherwise, we'll have another um council

454
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:22,079
meeting and budget session on September
21st. Uh we'll make that decision

455
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:26,400
obviously on September 14th. Just a
reminder, by the end of September, the

456
00:36:24,240 --> 00:36:31,200
last day by 5:00 p.m. we have to have it
in to the county. Um if we don't, they

457
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:37,560
take the last year's number. So, our
preliminary lobby needs to be sent to

458
00:36:33,599 --> 00:36:37,560
the county by the 30th.

459
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:46,560
So, the work session agenda, like uh
Julie said, is really going to be mostly

460
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:51,920
department overviews and direction from
council on what to fund and then uh

461
00:36:49,599 --> 00:36:55,920
community input
uh that we'll take questions on. I will

462
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:59,280
tell you that we'll try to answer
questions tonight and look up stuff.

463
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:04,720
Heather's going to be on our financial
side. So, um if council wants category

464
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:07,760
breakdowns or uh whatever, we'll bring
that up tonight. If there's something

465
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:13,359
that we can't answer for whatever
reason, um we can certainly put it on

466
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:19,040
the parking lot for now and answer it at
a later date to give you a full summary.

467
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:24,800
Um the community funding request. So,
this was new this year. that we we sent

468
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:30,320
out to past recipients of public dollars
and asked them to make a request to city

469
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:34,640
council. One was um well, there's two of
them and you'll see that in the next

470
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:40,400
slide, but it's totaling $25,000.
Um debt uh the department funding

471
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:44,000
requests are going to be those projects.
And that's really what this slideshow is

472
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:48,079
about is about the projects that the
department heads are requesting. And

473
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:55,359
some of those requests, I will tell you,
come from citizens Um and then some come

474
00:37:51,440 --> 00:38:00,160
from the department heads themselves.
So let's jump into it. Um like I said,

475
00:37:58,079 --> 00:38:06,000
this is about the funding requests from
the community uh 501c3s and nonprofits.

476
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:10,160
Uh there's two funding requests that we
received from the city. Uh one was from

477
00:38:08,240 --> 00:38:14,640
the Winthrop Historical Society in the
amount of $5,000.

478
00:38:13,119 --> 00:38:20,079
The other one was from the Farm City
Funfest Committee or the Lrop Chamber of

479
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:29,760
Commerce for $20,000 to continue funding
um Farm City Funfest. So in the past um

480
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:37,680
for the historical society we have
funded it between seven to $5,000. Last

481
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:43,839
year we cut them back to two. Um
the Farm City Funfest is a little bit

482
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:48,400
different. So, we've always helped out
with portaotties because our bathrooms

483
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:52,720
were not in any condition to continue
use for that long. Um, but when we did

484
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:56,960
the park improvement plan, we put a new
water line in. So, if you guys didn't

485
00:38:54,160 --> 00:39:00,160
see, hardly anyone was using portaotties
at the festival. They were all waiting

486
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:03,440
in line for the bathrooms.
>> Can't imagine why.

487
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:06,880
» Can't imagine why. Um, so I think we
actually fixed a lot of that. Not that

488
00:39:05,359 --> 00:39:12,132
we were not going to get portaotties
next year, but we can drastically reduce

489
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:16,000
the number that we get. Um
[clears throat]

490
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:21,040
specifically also so the softball
diamond always gets a porta potty in the

491
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:24,800
summer all summer long and then they be
it gets [clears throat] really expensive

492
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:29,839
and I think it's time to just ask people
to walk over to the restrooms um and cut

493
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:36,560
that from the budget. Farm City Funfest
also um uses the city for tents. So the

494
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:43,359
tent is normally paid for by the city um
that you see in the park. So, um,

495
00:39:40,079 --> 00:39:47,520
eliminating that budget, um, like we did
last year puts a strain on them. Um, so

496
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:51,040
that's the two requests that we've
received.

497
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:56,240
We're going to go to the department
heads funding requests. Again, for

498
00:39:54,079 --> 00:40:01,440
probably the last two months, we've been
going through budget numbers, projects,

499
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:04,800
capital improvement, comp plans, and
saying, what do we want to accomplish in

500
00:40:03,119 --> 00:40:08,720
2027?
And with that, we have some funding

501
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:13,359
requests from department heads that are
above and beyond our normal requests for

502
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:17,599
funding.
So, in Sibly County, uh the police

503
00:40:15,839 --> 00:40:22,079
department in Winthrop is the only one
that has a less lethal option. Uh we

504
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:28,960
have deployed it multiple times this
year um in different situations. the

505
00:40:25,599 --> 00:40:34,960
less lethal option um upgrade that we're
asking for is more accurate and um we're

506
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:39,680
asking for $3,000 within the funding
bucket.

507
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:42,680
» Do you want to say anything else about
the

508
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:51,119
» just use that? Thanks.
>> Yeah, you're welcome.

509
00:40:47,359 --> 00:40:58,319
» Um yeah, so this is just for um we
currently have our shotguns uh converted

510
00:40:54,800 --> 00:41:03,680
over to less legal right now. Um
those rounds that we use in there for

511
00:41:01,599 --> 00:41:08,400
certain situations
um are quite a bit less effective than

512
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:15,200
what we're anticipating if you guys
approve this to uh purchase. They're

513
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:21,040
actually a 40mm grenade launcher. um and
the the sponge rounds that are used in

514
00:41:18,079 --> 00:41:24,240
them um are much more effective and
safer to the person that you're

515
00:41:22,720 --> 00:41:31,359
deploying it on and also for the
officers for liability. So um especially

516
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:37,520
given that we're the only agency in Sy
County that has a less legal option. Uh

517
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:42,880
we want to try and upgrade that. Um, in
addition to that, you know,

518
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:48,240
we can utilize our our previous shotguns
and maybe donate them to other uh

519
00:41:45,599 --> 00:41:53,200
agencies that don't have that option
right now and we can train them. I know

520
00:41:50,400 --> 00:42:01,319
Henderson PD has reached out and
inquired about those shotguns. So, at

521
00:41:55,760 --> 00:42:01,319
least there's another option there and

522
00:42:05,054 --> 00:42:07,074
» [laughter]

523
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:14,000
» Um, so the other funding requests that
we're getting is streets. So alleyway

524
00:42:11,599 --> 00:42:18,240
approaches, like I said earlier, um,
have been a concern. If you actually

525
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:23,040
just walk down one block on Third Street
here, um, in the alleyway across from

526
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:27,920
the parking lot for First Lutheran, uh,
that one completely disintegrated um,

527
00:42:26,240 --> 00:42:31,839
and it actually fell in on itself about
a month ago. So we, you know, we fill it

528
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:35,359
in with rock. we make it as approachable
as possible, but there are multiple

529
00:42:33,839 --> 00:42:39,040
alleyways.
Um,

530
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:44,880
so with this, uh, we're asking for
35,000 that will get about three

531
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:49,760
alleyway approaches completed.
Um, and we kind of have a list, a

532
00:42:47,359 --> 00:42:55,040
running list through public works to
say, you know, this one has to be

533
00:42:51,839 --> 00:43:01,200
replaced. Um, there's one up on in the
900 block of Main Street that is also

534
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:01,200
very bad.

535
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:10,319
So, snow. Um, they're asking to replace
the 1978 snow hauler. Um, it just has a

536
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:14,720
lot of issues. Obviously, we'd use it,
we buy a used one, something that was

537
00:43:12,240 --> 00:43:20,000
efficient. Um, other cities also lease
theirs, so that is an option. The only

538
00:43:17,599 --> 00:43:24,319
problem that we have with leasing is um
it's always on their time and it's not

539
00:43:22,240 --> 00:43:31,200
usually convenient. So, they pick up
downtown pretty early in the morning to

540
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:35,680
not affect businesses and um it always
becomes a problem if they're relying on

541
00:43:33,119 --> 00:43:40,640
other people to come. So, the lease is
an option, but it's a reoccurring

542
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:45,760
expense every single year. Um like Troy
said, you know, $18,000 will buy a good

543
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:52,560
used snow hauler. they can use it for
dirt during the summertime um or gravel,

544
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:58,240
but it's it's time to somehow replace
the the snow hauler.

545
00:43:56,480 --> 00:44:03,280
Uh this is uh parks and trees and
there's a lot to this so I'm going to

546
00:44:00,319 --> 00:44:08,400
try to break it out as best I can. So in
the park right now, the main park, the

547
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:12,720
parking lot has disintegrated past the
point of us being able to seal code it.

548
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:16,960
Um they actually took a a look at it
this not this last year but the year

549
00:44:15,119 --> 00:44:23,359
before and said steel coating is not
going to help you. Um so the boys want

550
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:26,400
to kind of do a 50/50 replacement of the
parking lot. They're going to pour the

551
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:30,960
concrete themselves, save the city a
little bit of money and spend more on

552
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:36,800
supplies and do cement all the way
through. Uh we also had MR Paving look

553
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:41,200
at it and do like a mill and overlay and
they said you're going to it's a

554
00:44:38,240 --> 00:44:46,720
complete replacement. So, um I think
their quote on a was 75,000

555
00:44:44,319 --> 00:44:52,960
um to do a complete replacement of the
parking lot. So, that's one portion of

556
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:57,839
the park and tree budget that you're
going to see within the budget request.

557
00:44:56,240 --> 00:45:03,920
The other is tree removal and tree
replacement. So, as our boulevard trees

558
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:09,200
continue to age and as ashbor becomes a
bigger and bigger problem,

559
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:14,880
um you know, we we've just taken a lot
of trees down this year and um some of

560
00:45:12,720 --> 00:45:20,640
them were damaged by storms, some of
them were destroying sewer lines, etc.

561
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:25,359
And we actually have not bought
replacement trees for the park

562
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:30,880
boulevards um really anywhere in almost
three years. So, um, there is some of

563
00:45:28,319 --> 00:45:36,560
that. The caveat to that is that we are
applying for the Department of Natural

564
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:41,760
Resources Ashore grant. I mean, most
likely we'll get it, but it's really

565
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:45,680
dependent on the grant. Um, if that is
true, we can take this out of the

566
00:45:43,119 --> 00:45:50,000
budget, so we'll know that this fall or
you could get rid of it and just keep

567
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:55,680
trying for the grant. So, that's a
caveat to all that.

568
00:45:53,440 --> 00:46:00,720
» How much is the grant? I'm sorry. It
really depends on what the DNR has left

569
00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:06,960
over. Um, but we applied for $20,000.
Uh, we actually had

570
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:12,960
Brody map out and GPS every single ash
tree uh this spring. So, we have that on

571
00:46:10,240 --> 00:46:17,280
a a map. So, we know exactly where the
ash trees are. The the problem is is

572
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:21,839
taking all of them down. [clears throat]
It will be about $50,000 at an estimate.

573
00:46:20,319 --> 00:46:26,079
So, I mean, it's only going to solve
half the problem, but we really want to

574
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:32,400
get after all of our trees, trees in the
park. I don't know if you've been to New

575
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:36,400
Wall lately after this last year. Um,
like their ash trees are gone

576
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:40,000
everywhere. So, it's goes pretty
quickly. I know there's a couple trees

577
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:43,040
on my property that I was hoping like
one more year, you know, the bushes that

578
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:48,560
I planted, one more. No, they're not
going to make it. Um, the library has a

579
00:46:46,720 --> 00:46:54,000
department funding request. This is
actually a request from TDS and their

580
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:59,760
staff of new computers. Uh the computers
downstairs are aging and TDS would like

581
00:46:56,960 --> 00:47:04,720
them replaced
>> and they do get used

582
00:47:03,359 --> 00:47:09,040
in the library.
>> Yeah.

583
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:15,359
» Um department funding requests from the
EDA um their only request right now is

584
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:22,640
to start adding to every loan fund. Um,
right now their revoling loan fund is

585
00:47:17,119 --> 00:47:28,079
zero. So, they're requesting $40,000.
And that's I should stop there, but

586
00:47:25,119 --> 00:47:33,760
we'll go that over the budget. But, um,
you know, when we did the Gunner's loan

587
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:38,800
through the EDA from city council's uh
approval, um, the last two years, we

588
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:44,880
have not moved any public funds from the
general fund to the EDA other than the

589
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:48,880
the loan. So,
Um,

590
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:53,760
we'll clarify that more in the budget
discussion, but I just wanted to make

591
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:57,520
that clear. Um, the fire department. So,
the fire department has actually quite a

592
00:47:55,680 --> 00:48:01,599
few needs, but right now they're asking
for $15,000 for nozzles, airbags, and

593
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:05,280
cribbing.
And their turnout gear. So, turnout gear

594
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:10,160
is very expensive to replace boots,
helmets, coats, pants. Anything that you

595
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:14,319
touch in the fire department is very
expensive. Um, and so they are

596
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:19,760
requesting that we start doing that. We
did replace three three pairs of boots

597
00:48:18,319 --> 00:48:24,240
this last year.
>> No, four

598
00:48:20,720 --> 00:48:26,880
» four year. Um and it was
>> a lot of money.

599
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:31,760
» A lot of money. It's it's really
expensive. So, we need to start um

600
00:48:29,599 --> 00:48:36,480
there's there's an expiration date on
all that year and some of it is is going

601
00:48:34,720 --> 00:48:39,880
to expire. There's three sets this next
year that expire.

602
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:46,640
ambulance is also making a funding
request.

603
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:50,240
So, uh, two years ago we did an EMT
class with cadetses. You might remember

604
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:55,520
because it was pretty successful. We had
five EMTs graduate um, and a sixth on

605
00:48:53,119 --> 00:49:01,760
their way.
U, the EMT EMT classes are expensive.

606
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:06,640
They're an investment to Win. Um, so
right now the cadet program is not going

607
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:14,079
to cost us $20,000.
Um but books, materials, training uh

608
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:19,280
probably will at some point um get us to
that amount. It'll probably be more like

609
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:23,200
10 and it will depend on how many cadets
apply.

610
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:28,880
Um
especially when we're talking about

611
00:49:24,319 --> 00:49:35,200
lure, paying instructors, etc.
The life pack. So, the life pack um is

612
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:40,079
$25,300 that we have left, but the whole
piece is $42,000.

613
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:45,839
So, uh there's just a lot of equipment
needs and ambulance. Kristen has uh gone

614
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:49,200
out of her way to write some grants and
uh if the opioid settlement comes in,

615
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:52,960
this won't even be on the budget come
this fall, but it's something that we

616
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:58,599
need to prepare for because that has to
be replaced in the backup.

617
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:58,599
» It's no longer

618
00:50:07,599 --> 00:50:13,440
Mike, can you just give everybody that
they couldn't hear Kristen?

619
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:16,960
» Yeah. So, Kristen said that uh the the
life pack that we have currently in the

620
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:23,240
back of the ambulance is no longer to be
serviced. The company will not service

621
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:23,240
them anymore. They have an end of life.

622
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:31,920
As we go through this, I just wanted to
say that all of this information on the

623
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:35,839
budget is actually online, has been for
a week. Um, it has been uploaded to with

624
00:50:34,240 --> 00:50:39,359
amendment.gov.
Um,

625
00:50:37,359 --> 00:50:44,079
the column that we're going to be
working on, the recommended is from

626
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:46,960
staff, from community input, etc. All
the things that we just went through.

627
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:49,599
The adjusted is where we're going to be
working tonight. and Heather is going to

628
00:50:48,720 --> 00:50:55,280
be [clears throat]
keying like a fool um asking opinions

629
00:50:52,800 --> 00:51:01,119
from council what we want to do. Um the
adjusted is what we're going for and the

630
00:50:57,200 --> 00:51:06,400
final obviously is the next time around.
I wanted to break this up by oh man by

631
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:10,675
spending category u because there's been
a lot of questions between enterprise

632
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:13,920
and general fund. Um this pink
[clears throat] purple salmon I don't

633
00:51:12,559 --> 00:51:19,839
know what color that is the one that's
taking up half the pie. if you were to

634
00:51:16,240 --> 00:51:23,920
not count anyone else's wage or um other
employees, that is what the police would

635
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:27,760
take up. So when we did the tax
calculator last year online, it was

636
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:33,520
brought up multiple times that man the
police take up half the budget, which is

637
00:51:30,720 --> 00:51:37,599
not true. This is another view. This is
uh everyone else's wage and all the

638
00:51:35,119 --> 00:51:43,040
other expenses that come in through the
enterprise fund, that yellow pie piece.

639
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:50,079
So as you can see, you know, police goes
down to 35% and the rest of the

640
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:54,960
enterprise expenses are about 23 24%.
So I just wanted to bring that up

641
00:51:51,920 --> 00:52:00,240
because last year um upon the advice of
many in the audience and city council,

642
00:51:57,200 --> 00:52:07,119
we switched where we were paying some of
the public works directors u myself and

643
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:11,000
Heather. So that um definitely made the
pie look a lot different.

644
00:52:12,720 --> 00:52:23,359
Okay, next time I'll remember to restart
the computer.

645
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:28,720
Um, so we're going to go into this. Uh,
and, uh, if you have questions or I need

646
00:52:25,599 --> 00:52:31,520
too quickly, please let me know. And I
know at home it's, uh, out in the

647
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:37,240
audience, it's going to be really hard
to see. Like I said, there's copies, um,

648
00:52:34,240 --> 00:52:37,240
online.

649
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:44,960
» Whoops.
So, the the couple things that we really

650
00:52:42,079 --> 00:52:49,760
wanted to point out in the and we're
working again in the pink column to go

651
00:52:47,359 --> 00:52:56,079
to the adjusted column
is uh revenue. So, without any taxation,

652
00:52:54,319 --> 00:53:00,400
the city of Winthro takes in about
$665,000

653
00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:05,200
off the general fund. Um, a large
majority of that is local government

654
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:09,520
assistance that comes from the state.
That amount this year just got updated

655
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:16,240
today. Uh, so it's different in your
packet than it is online. Is 490269.

656
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:20,720
You might say, Michael, how did they get
to that figure? Well, there's about 29

657
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:24,160
different categories. Uh, you can
actually look at it online at the League

658
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:28,800
of Minnesota Cities and on the
Department of Revenue website. Um, I can

659
00:53:26,559 --> 00:53:32,960
also pay put this spreadsheet on, I
guess, if people are that interested.

660
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:36,559
Um,
but that's the number that we get from

661
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:40,319
the state of Minnesota. As you see from
year to year, it does not change a whole

662
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:45,119
lot.
We also get small cities assistance. Uh

663
00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:51,599
we project that that is not an actual
number. We project um small cities

664
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:56,400
assistance to be about $27,000.
The other um main one that we have for

665
00:53:54,480 --> 00:54:00,880
use is building permits. So building
permits is always a guess on revenue

666
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:04,240
because it just depends on who's
building the deck, what Heartland Corn

667
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:11,760
Product and rest of the industries are
doing. Um you can see in 2024 um we took

668
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:16,800
in over $80,000 worth of revenue. That
does not mean that's pure profit. Uh we

669
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:19,680
also pay uh Darren out of this. So
you'll see that later in the slide.

670
00:54:18,240 --> 00:54:24,240
There's a cost to having building
permits and having that person check

671
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:29,760
them. But we do have to count them as
revenue. We estimate uh that it will be

672
00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:35,040
around $50,000 next year. That is based
on the trend the last three years plus

673
00:54:32,079 --> 00:54:39,599
this year's midway point which is um
$25,000.

674
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:44,400
The other thing um that we have to
account for is interest earnings this

675
00:54:41,839 --> 00:54:52,400
year will be around $60,000.
Um and then uh total the total highway

676
00:54:48,559 --> 00:54:56,960
charges um on the 3400 or 34,000
category is the thing that you actually

677
00:54:54,720 --> 00:55:01,440
just approved tonight. the Cassaw mutual
agreement with the with the county. Um

678
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:05,520
they pay us about $16,000 to help
maintain roads during the wintertime.

679
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:11,040
That includes Main Street, Second
Street, and one that comes into town. So

680
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:15,920
we help maintain those. They pay us a
little bit and they also give us salt

681
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:20,000
sand for free. So
overall, [clears throat] that's an

682
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:23,400
overview of the revenue. Do we have any
council questions?

683
00:55:30,319 --> 00:55:37,599
I don't have any questions.
>> Okay. Do we have any questions from the

684
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:41,440
public um about revenue?
>> If you do have questions, if you could

685
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:44,960
come up and um use the mic would be
helpful for anybody who does have

686
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:54,280
questions.
Anything on this particular slide.

687
00:55:49,839 --> 00:55:54,280
Okay. And let's move on.

688
00:55:54,293 --> 00:55:59,319
» [laughter]
>> try to

689
00:55:59,599 --> 00:56:05,640
Oh boy.
No.

690
00:56:08,799 --> 00:56:16,559
Okay. So, this is council. Um this is
your spending categories. Um in wages

691
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:22,720
and salaries each year, uh it'll be
$12,500 for a projected in 2027.

692
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:27,280
Um, that's kind of what we're
recommending. Um, and then I I'll just

693
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:30,960
be really transparent. We're not going
to go through FICA, Medicare, Medicare,

694
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:35,040
employment. That's just a percentage. If
you really want to know them, we can

695
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:40,240
tell you, but it's just a percentage.
Training and education. Um, you'll

696
00:56:37,839 --> 00:56:45,200
notice that in 2026, we went over a
little bit in budget already. Um, I

697
00:56:43,359 --> 00:56:50,559
would recommend to council to have a
little bit extra in there. Um, we're

698
00:56:48,559 --> 00:56:56,480
going to have uh new counselors on the
council next year. Um, we're

699
00:56:53,040 --> 00:57:02,559
recommending around $800 to $1,200.
Uh, travel expenses ditto. Uh, gas is

700
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:10,240
only going up and the IRS just raised
mileage reimbursement yet again. So, um,

701
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:17,040
that'll cost more. Notices and public,
sorry, general notices and public

702
00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:22,960
information. Uh you'll notice that it is
um we're going to go over it this year.

703
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:29,269
Um and that we suggest to council that
we raise that um back up to its 7 to

704
00:57:26,559 --> 00:57:32,319
$8,000 range.
[clears throat]

705
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:35,520
Uh last year we had a miscellaneous
category. We are not recommending

706
00:57:33,839 --> 00:57:39,520
anything in miscellaneous. That was for
the flags and flag holders down Main

707
00:57:37,839 --> 00:57:44,000
Street, Second Street. Uh so we're
getting rid of that. Dues and

708
00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:51,040
subscriptions. Um
I think that is

709
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:55,520
the um newspaper is what we put under
general counsel and then the historical

710
00:57:53,440 --> 00:58:00,400
society. So we put this category under
here. Um it is obviously the historical

711
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:03,839
society is not part of the city. It's a
separate entity but uh we wanted a

712
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:07,520
better way to track it rather than
putting it in a miscellaneous category

713
00:58:05,839 --> 00:58:14,720
since we were helping fund it for so
long. And um anyway, that is general

714
00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:21,040
counsel. Any questions?
>> Um I just looked the cost of the um

715
00:58:18,559 --> 00:58:27,119
newly elected officials workshop for
leaving Minnesota cities is $350

716
00:58:23,839 --> 00:58:31,440
for the person. So um you know,
potentially you could have three or four

717
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:38,720
people attending that. Um, so I think
you and that is incredibly important for

718
00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:45,280
elected officials to um to take if they
have not been a part of um a public body

719
00:58:42,079 --> 00:58:51,680
before. So I think we should um raise
that budget because um that would be

720
00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:55,920
necessary a necessary expense.
>> Will you just go over what the general

721
00:58:53,599 --> 00:59:01,599
notice says or is that the minutes and
the newspaper and

722
00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:01,599
Okay. Thank you.

723
00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:09,200
The other thing I wanted to point out
was that even though the historical

724
00:59:05,599 --> 00:59:15,920
society um is listed here, sometimes I
think anything um that says Winthre

725
00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:21,040
City, anything just gets lumped together
and everybody thinks that it all falls

726
00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:28,400
under this that it's part of the city of
Winthrop. Um, and I I see it. People

727
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:33,200
think that the the chamber and um the
historical society and even sometimes

728
00:59:30,559 --> 00:59:37,920
the Lions are all just well that's the
city. Um, and I just want to point out

729
00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:42,319
that the historical society is its own
separate entity. Um, and I'm not saying

730
00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:47,680
that the city shouldn't um put some
funding toward that, but it is not one

731
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:52,319
of our departments. So I just want to
make that clear because

732
00:59:50,559 --> 00:59:57,280
» last year
to ask for money

733
00:59:55,336 --> 01:00:01,200
[clears throat] we suggested
fundraising.

734
00:59:58,799 --> 01:00:05,119
Has that ever does anybody know did that
take place or was there money raised or

735
01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:06,799
» they did have
>> what's that?

736
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:10,640
» They did have sale.
>> They did they had a um a garage sale

737
01:00:10,079 --> 01:00:19,799
like
>> so was it successful or

738
01:00:13,520 --> 01:00:19,799
» I think so. Um I'm not sure how much

739
01:00:19,839 --> 01:00:26,079
» I mean it wasn't thousands of dollars
but

740
01:00:24,156 --> 01:00:30,720
[laughter]
>> well since last year's request I've kind

741
01:00:28,240 --> 01:00:39,280
of been watching
the building I mean when I go by

742
01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:44,880
when are they open what I mean
I know far they advertise that they were

743
01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:48,559
open but I haven't seen a whole
abundance of people that frequent that

744
01:00:47,520 --> 01:00:56,079
building.
>> I think Sundays, Sunday afternoons

745
01:00:51,440 --> 01:01:01,200
they're open and by appointment maybe
and I think some of that information

746
01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:05,760
like if they did any fundraising. We had
we have a new form correct that they

747
01:01:03,359 --> 01:01:09,599
that um organizations were supposed to
fill out and submit if they were

748
01:01:07,119 --> 01:01:14,400
requesting city funding. So I think that
was one of the questions in that form

749
01:01:11,839 --> 01:01:20,400
was where their other sources of income
were. So that would maybe give us a

750
01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:25,400
better picture. Okay. Thank you.
>> Yeah, I think I can bring that up. Just

751
01:01:21,839 --> 01:01:25,400
give me one second.

752
01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:35,920
» Uh it says other revenue sources and
funding partners. It says uh memorials,

753
01:01:33,040 --> 01:01:42,000
donations, grants, and the yard sale. Um
but it doesn't say

754
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:47,520
like how much they're raised or how much
they get from it. She just gave us an

755
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:54,799
estimate about her expenses
>> and I know they do have um private

756
01:01:52,079 --> 01:02:00,640
private sources of funding. Can't talk
um because I did go visit with um with

757
01:01:57,920 --> 01:02:07,200
them there and they they do have
benefactors who will you know support

758
01:02:02,799 --> 01:02:10,200
the the historical society too. So thank
you.

759
01:02:12,079 --> 01:02:22,319
So, does council have um any feedback on
funding, not funding historical society

760
01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:26,280
or training,
travel expenses, anything?

761
01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:38,240
» Well, I would agree with Julie that the
new um elected official training is very

762
01:02:36,559 --> 01:02:43,599
important.
You know, I I learned quite a bit from

763
01:02:40,079 --> 01:02:49,839
that. So,
>> do you think that it should be higher

764
01:02:45,040 --> 01:02:54,079
then? We only have $800 budgeted.
>> It should probably be I mean, if you had

765
01:02:51,599 --> 01:02:59,680
four people going, that would be $1,400.
I think we should probably make it

766
01:02:55,680 --> 01:03:04,799
$1,500 because that
doesn't allow anybody to go to anything

767
01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:10,400
other than that.
And I think it's important for

768
01:03:07,680 --> 01:03:16,799
um council to be able to go to any of
the workshops that the league puts on

769
01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:19,520
throughout the year or um the other
small cities.

770
01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:23,880
» Yeah, the coalition.
>> Yes, that's the one I'm trying to think

771
01:03:20,880 --> 01:03:23,880
of.

772
01:03:28,880 --> 01:03:34,400
» So now it's at 800.
>> Oh, sorry.

773
01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:37,400
» It's at 15 now.
>> Oh.

774
01:03:47,440 --> 01:03:55,640
Yeah, I think we should uh make it 1500.
I think training support

775
01:04:01,359 --> 01:04:08,079
um the $5,000 with historical society. I
think before we um decide on that, we

776
01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:13,559
need to find out how much money they
made on their road sale,

777
01:04:14,480 --> 01:04:20,480
you know, because that was one of the
things last year was that they needed

778
01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:24,480
to, you know, raise some money to go out
and fund raise. So, I think before we

779
01:04:22,480 --> 01:04:32,480
give them that $5,000, we need to see
what they made on their on their um rum.

780
01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:37,200
So, do we want to request somebody to
come from the historical society maybe

781
01:04:35,200 --> 01:04:41,200
talk to us next time?
>> And also, you know, what what else are

782
01:04:38,880 --> 01:04:45,559
they going to do to fund raise? I mean,
are they going to do more than once a

783
01:04:42,559 --> 01:04:45,559
year?

784
01:04:48,559 --> 01:04:55,839
» Okay.
>> Yep. I can definitely do that.

785
01:04:53,039 --> 01:04:59,599
» Any comments, questions from the public
if council

786
01:04:56,799 --> 01:05:03,680
» on this
I would agree that we need to fund the

787
01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:08,480
the training for the new council members
at a minimum with 1500. Is there enough

788
01:05:06,720 --> 01:05:11,480
for the other training that needs to be
done?

789
01:05:12,640 --> 01:05:18,400
» Actually, I was also looking at travel
expenses because if you have people

790
01:05:16,880 --> 01:05:23,039
attending,
it's probably going to

791
01:05:20,079 --> 01:05:26,640
» there's going to be mileage involved or
>> Yeah.

792
01:05:25,460 --> 01:05:32,319
[clears throat] So, I'm questioning
whether 1,500 is enough.

793
01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:37,359
» Probably a legitimate question as well
as the travel expenses.

794
01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:41,359
» I mean, how staff has handled that in
the past as like, you know, it's first

795
01:05:39,839 --> 01:05:46,720
come, first serve, whoever signs up
first, but also with, you know, knowing

796
01:05:44,079 --> 01:05:51,520
that we could have a brand new council,
you probably want some additional funds.

797
01:05:49,119 --> 01:05:58,559
Mhm.
>> You say that the train was $350 per

798
01:05:55,920 --> 01:06:03,680
person
and it's usually

799
01:06:01,039 --> 01:06:08,079
um I know it's been in cities, it's been
in Alexandria, it's been St. Cloud, it's

800
01:06:05,680 --> 01:06:11,920
been in Rochester, it's been in Duth. I
went to

801
01:06:09,520 --> 01:06:17,119
» Yeah, there are some closer locations,
but you know, it depends on

802
01:06:15,200 --> 01:06:19,920
» where it is and what fits everybody's
schedule.

803
01:06:21,680 --> 01:06:28,079
We should probably look at the travel
expense.

804
01:06:25,599 --> 01:06:33,200
» Yeah, the travel like in 25 travel
expense was 850.

805
01:06:30,559 --> 01:06:36,680
» So, do you want like a,000?
>> I think so.

806
01:06:38,079 --> 01:06:46,119
» And then the training budget in general
is 1,500 right now. Do you want to

807
01:06:42,799 --> 01:06:46,119
increase that?

808
01:06:50,319 --> 01:06:55,359
If it [clears throat] is increased,
what's going to be like the slot? Is

809
01:06:53,280 --> 01:06:58,000
there like a first come first serve?
What's going to be the cap? Like so we

810
01:06:56,720 --> 01:07:03,760
can also make sure there's additional
funding for it. Like if there's not

811
01:07:00,079 --> 01:07:07,839
quite enough with the travel offer
that that's a good question.

812
01:07:06,319 --> 01:07:12,559
» Can you repeat the question?
>> She was wondering if there would be like

813
01:07:09,200 --> 01:07:19,680
a cap for spouse, you know, like first
come first served. Um,

814
01:07:15,839 --> 01:07:22,880
» generally we want the first years to go
before they take the advanced league of

815
01:07:21,760 --> 01:07:28,559
Minnesota cities.
>> So, generally once we're out, we're out.

816
01:07:27,039 --> 01:07:34,000
Um,
luckily that happens. You know, they do

817
01:07:30,559 --> 01:07:39,119
that training like in February, March.
>> Um, then they they do the advanced one

818
01:07:36,319 --> 01:07:41,920
in the summer. I think is in June, July.
>> They sometimes do them at the same time.

819
01:07:41,440 --> 01:07:43,920
» Yeah.
>> Depends.

820
01:07:42,640 --> 01:07:46,160
» Yeah, they have in the I guess.
>> Yeah.

821
01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:51,799
» But I think, you know, as a cap,
whatever we set it at, that's, you know,

822
01:07:48,000 --> 01:07:51,799
how much we're going to spend.

823
01:07:54,000 --> 01:08:00,440
» So, council, do you want to raise that
at all or leave it at 1500?

824
01:08:01,839 --> 01:08:10,559
See what happens.
I think leave it at 1500 for now.

825
01:08:08,799 --> 01:08:16,680
Okay.
Do we have any other comments on council

826
01:08:13,440 --> 01:08:16,680
line items?

827
01:08:17,600 --> 01:08:23,679
» Okay,
let's move on.

828
01:08:22,319 --> 01:08:26,640
» Can I pause?
>> Can we do the library? So,

829
01:08:25,359 --> 01:08:29,120
» yes, I actually was just going to push
the button.

830
01:08:27,520 --> 01:08:34,640
» I totally forgot you guys were supposed
to remind me.

831
01:08:30,719 --> 01:08:38,359
» Okay, we are going to go to library
right now.

832
01:08:38,480 --> 01:08:41,279
» Thank you.

833
01:08:45,279 --> 01:08:54,319
Okay. So, um right now, you know, we no
longer have full-time employees. So, the

834
01:08:50,880 --> 01:09:00,640
part-time employee wage um is set at the
same level as 2026. Um their current

835
01:08:57,359 --> 01:09:07,359
spending um is way below what is
budgeted. So, um, you know, keeping it

836
01:09:03,920 --> 01:09:10,960
at 66 and hiring a part-time person, um,
probably won't have a huge financial

837
01:09:08,880 --> 01:09:16,080
impact.
Again, I'm not going to go through PAR

838
01:09:12,880 --> 01:09:20,560
and FICA, um, or the paid family leave
every single time, but know that they're

839
01:09:17,839 --> 01:09:26,319
are there. Um, and yes, we have to pay
them.

840
01:09:22,960 --> 01:09:33,359
um the library
in general um you know went up about 10%

841
01:09:30,159 --> 01:09:37,520
of their ask the office supplies um you
know one thing that is inherently good

842
01:09:35,520 --> 01:09:41,759
about it being a city library is that we
share a lot of supplies. So when it

843
01:09:39,600 --> 01:09:46,880
comes to copier paper or staples or
whatever um we kind of all share

844
01:09:45,120 --> 01:09:52,799
that expense and then two years ago we
bought a boatload of paper and envelopes

845
01:09:51,279 --> 01:09:56,239
um that we're still going through. So we
really haven't spent [clears throat]

846
01:09:54,800 --> 01:10:00,239
excuse me we really haven't spent a lot
of on office supplies but I think it's

847
01:09:58,080 --> 01:10:05,520
important to keep it in there because if
if something happens where they need you

848
01:10:02,960 --> 01:10:10,400
know a widget in the library they have
that option. Programs and services. So,

849
01:10:08,480 --> 01:10:16,080
I will tell you that over the years,
we've gone from $10,000 worth of

850
01:10:12,719 --> 01:10:20,960
services to 3,000. And I just wanted to
say thank you to Genie because she is

851
01:10:17,920 --> 01:10:24,640
really utilizing a lot of TDS grants uh
which uh if you notice, they've had a

852
01:10:22,960 --> 01:10:29,040
lot of programs this year, but only
spent $1,500. That's because we're

853
01:10:26,480 --> 01:10:34,080
getting credit uh in that line through
the grant program through TDS. Um I

854
01:10:32,800 --> 01:10:40,080
believe we're also working on a Prairie
Lakes one together. So, uh, it's $3,000

855
01:10:38,480 --> 01:10:42,800
does stretch a lot. You know, we're
halfway through the year, more than

856
01:10:41,360 --> 01:10:47,760
halfway through the year, and we
haven't, um, tapped the entire budget.

857
01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:52,159
Computer supplies. So, that was the ask
of the library in that first slideshow.

858
01:10:49,840 --> 01:10:59,040
Um, is that's that ask is coming from
TDS to replace the the computer training

859
01:10:56,640 --> 01:11:05,520
and education. Um, we're still uh
planning on sending them to some TDS

860
01:11:01,440 --> 01:11:09,280
training, some library training in Medo.
Oh my gosh.

861
01:11:07,840 --> 01:11:14,480
Why didn't to do this a half an hour
before I started? Um, books and

862
01:11:12,080 --> 01:11:18,320
operating supplies. So, uh, we used to
spend about $10,000. Before that, it was

863
01:11:16,560 --> 01:11:21,520
30. Um,
>> yes.

864
01:11:19,840 --> 01:11:26,719
He did not speak that incorrectly. It
was we spent $30,000 on books and

865
01:11:23,840 --> 01:11:30,080
materials and now we're down to six. So,
um,

866
01:11:27,679 --> 01:11:34,800
» so it's hard to cut that any more than
we already do. I will tell you that the

867
01:11:31,760 --> 01:11:40,640
library does a great job at managing um
spend per quarter. So they order kind of

868
01:11:37,440 --> 01:11:44,239
one time. I'm sure USPS loves it, but we
get um a lot of books like at one time

869
01:11:42,480 --> 01:11:50,080
now instead of ordering six or seven
times during the month. They do um they

870
01:11:46,800 --> 01:11:55,760
do a great job managing that quarterly.
Um services and technology service

871
01:11:52,640 --> 01:11:59,679
agreements. Heather, is that the copier?
What was in the copier?

872
01:11:57,600 --> 01:12:04,239
» Um so we got rid of the copier. So,
you'll notice that it's gone down

873
01:12:01,840 --> 01:12:07,760
recently. Um, so we don't pay that
service agreement. The copier is still

874
01:12:06,000 --> 01:12:11,840
there, but we no longer service it
through Metro Sales. We buy our own ink

875
01:12:10,080 --> 01:12:16,159
now. It's a lot cheaper on Amazon than
it is going through them. The only thing

876
01:12:14,080 --> 01:12:21,040
is is we lost some capabilities. So, you
can't email from your phone and make it

877
01:12:18,400 --> 01:12:24,239
print um on the printer anymore, but you
can certainly log into one of our

878
01:12:22,239 --> 01:12:30,880
computers. Um, the amount that they were
charging us to do that, by the way, was

879
01:12:26,400 --> 01:12:35,120
like $900 a year. So um just did it make
sense.

880
01:12:33,760 --> 01:12:38,239
Anything else in that category?
>> The remaining is Hoopla.

881
01:12:36,400 --> 01:12:42,080
» Oh that's right. Hoopla. So obviously
streaming is the is the future of the

882
01:12:40,480 --> 01:12:46,880
library and Hoopla [clears throat] is
used a lot by the citizens. Um we just

883
01:12:44,400 --> 01:12:50,840
reloaded the account I believe. Um so
that's the remaining $3,600.

884
01:12:51,360 --> 01:12:58,719
Some of the money categories. Um the
other thing that I wanted to talk about

885
01:12:54,800 --> 01:13:03,760
is TDS. So TDS uh yes they do charge us
uh a fee to use their services but that

886
01:13:01,360 --> 01:13:08,080
includes the software program that we
use. It includes ebooks and e-ate.

887
01:13:06,640 --> 01:13:11,679
» It includes getting books.
>> It includes inter library loan. It

888
01:13:09,920 --> 01:13:15,679
includes quite a bit of services for
$8,500.

889
01:13:13,679 --> 01:13:20,960
Uh and then we have county uh simply
county reimbursement. So, I don't know.

890
01:13:17,600 --> 01:13:24,960
Um, it says preliminarily and we heard
that there's going to be some cuts at

891
01:13:22,400 --> 01:13:29,679
the county level and I don't know what
that looks like, but right now we left

892
01:13:26,880 --> 01:13:34,400
it at the level that uh is currently
funded. So, the the library system um

893
01:13:33,199 --> 01:13:40,640
gets funded through the state of
Minnesota and then the county puts some

894
01:13:37,280 --> 01:13:48,560
um monies in and they reimburse us right
now at the rate of about $75,000 per

895
01:13:43,280 --> 01:13:55,199
year. Um we heard um some whispers about
cutting it to half, meaning the state

896
01:13:51,440 --> 01:14:00,960
minimum requirement. Um which
would have city council make some either

897
01:13:58,800 --> 01:14:06,640
some major cuts or some major tax
increases too if they want to keep the

898
01:14:03,600 --> 01:14:10,400
library open and functioning.
The library staff is here so they can

899
01:14:08,080 --> 01:14:16,159
answer any questions, comments.
>> Michael, I thought we added bookcases.

900
01:14:12,880 --> 01:14:20,000
ask me why I bought here. Didn't we have
bookcases on here?

901
01:14:18,080 --> 01:14:24,159
» No, I don't have that. Did you want to
add bookcases? Do you remember how much

902
01:14:21,920 --> 01:14:27,679
that was or did you get an estimate? I
thought we were going to ask the school

903
01:14:25,440 --> 01:14:31,440
to do all
>> Oh, yeah.

904
01:14:28,719 --> 01:14:34,960
» I have sent an email to the industrial
tech teacher.

905
01:14:32,640 --> 01:14:40,280
» So, if there be expenses, it maybe
probably would be just materials, but I

906
01:14:36,880 --> 01:14:40,280
don't have a quote.

907
01:14:40,906 --> 01:14:42,926
» [clears throat]

908
01:14:43,040 --> 01:14:47,480
» We can maybe bring that up when we have
an estimate.

909
01:14:48,800 --> 01:14:56,159
I think it's a good time to say again,
we brought it at the last meeting, but

910
01:14:52,000 --> 01:14:59,679
for anybody who uses the library and um
feels so inclined to reach out to your

911
01:14:57,840 --> 01:15:05,199
county commissioner
um you know, just encourage them to

912
01:15:01,840 --> 01:15:11,440
think about the funding and um a dollar
spent in the library goes a long long

913
01:15:07,520 --> 01:15:15,360
way to um providing services for so many
residents [clears throat] in Sibly

914
01:15:12,400 --> 01:15:19,280
County. So um I think it's money very
well spent and explain one thing.

915
01:15:17,360 --> 01:15:24,192
» Yes, please.
>> I don't know if I have to turn.

916
01:15:22,172 --> 01:15:24,192
[clears throat]

917
01:15:25,360 --> 01:15:31,440
» So, the monies that we do get in our
five four or five sibling county

918
01:15:29,920 --> 01:15:38,159
libraries
divided by our population

919
01:15:34,560 --> 01:15:43,199
is less than $30 per person per year.
So, what else can you buy? I think it's

920
01:15:40,159 --> 01:15:50,080
around $27.
>> Yeah, $26.79.

921
01:15:46,400 --> 01:15:54,400
per year per resident.
You know, can you buy a book for that, a

922
01:15:51,760 --> 01:15:58,800
game for that? So, it is well worth our
money, well worth our $30 per person

923
01:15:57,280 --> 01:16:04,239
because I don't know where else you can
get that kind of value. So, just letting

924
01:16:01,360 --> 01:16:09,920
you know how much libraries do, you
know, do cost for each resident. That's

925
01:16:08,640 --> 01:16:12,880
it.
>> Thank you.

926
01:16:10,400 --> 01:16:18,920
» Thank you, Lauren.
Any

927
01:16:15,360 --> 01:16:18,920
questions from council?

928
01:16:19,520 --> 01:16:27,600
If not, anything else from anybody?
>> I would recommend that we consider

929
01:16:25,920 --> 01:16:33,280
forecasting the revenue from the
commissioners at the um proposed 50%

930
01:16:30,960 --> 01:16:38,159
level so we don't get caught in a budget
corner if it comes in less than the

931
01:16:35,440 --> 01:16:42,320
current 75 that's on the page. Now
either that or have a firm contingency

932
01:16:40,239 --> 01:16:46,320
plan in the event that they do cut the
funding.

933
01:16:44,080 --> 01:16:52,320
But I think since we have to submit a
minimum or maximum uh assessment in

934
01:16:49,920 --> 01:16:56,880
September 30, if we don't have an answer
from the uh district by or from whomever

935
01:16:56,080 --> 01:16:59,920
by from the
>> commissioners

936
01:16:57,440 --> 01:17:04,320
» commissioners by then then we should
probably go in with the assumption we're

937
01:17:01,679 --> 01:17:10,560
going to get less. So worst case we end
up with more than we had counted on. We

938
01:17:07,040 --> 01:17:16,239
are there is a meeting August 25th. Yes.
>> I believe. So we should get

939
01:17:12,960 --> 01:17:20,400
» more at that time
>> and that should be with commissioners

940
01:17:18,000 --> 01:17:24,480
and admin
library board

941
01:17:22,560 --> 01:17:29,199
from the library. Yes.
>> It it has been really frustrating. The

942
01:17:27,600 --> 01:17:34,080
only information we've gotten from the
county commissioners was the proposal to

943
01:17:32,159 --> 01:17:37,679
cut 40%.
um rather in I mean it wasn't even an

944
01:17:36,320 --> 01:17:42,000
official proposal. It was kind of an
informal meeting with the city

945
01:17:39,760 --> 01:17:49,920
administrators in March or something
like that. And um many library people um

946
01:17:48,320 --> 01:17:54,320
people from elected officials and
library staff have asked for

947
01:17:52,880 --> 01:17:59,120
clarification from the commissioners and
I don't think anybody's gotten anything

948
01:17:56,640 --> 01:18:02,080
back. So, um, Lori,
>> yes, there [clears throat] is a work

949
01:18:00,000 --> 01:18:08,000
session at the end of August, but it's
just a work session. I doubt we'll have

950
01:18:04,159 --> 01:18:13,440
any commitment whatsoever. So, I do like
Bob's

951
01:18:09,679 --> 01:18:19,880
idea, Bob.
Um, I think we need a safety net if

952
01:18:16,159 --> 01:18:19,880
we're going to save our library

953
01:18:20,080 --> 01:18:28,849
and
it will I think we I I agree. I think we

954
01:18:25,840 --> 01:18:31,840
have to be realistic about it and um
[clears throat]

955
01:18:29,440 --> 01:18:36,080
I think the library is one of the best
assets we have in our community and it

956
01:18:33,679 --> 01:18:41,199
brings people from every demographic,
every age. Um and so we'll I think it's

957
01:18:39,840 --> 01:18:47,360
something we really have to fight very
hard to keep funded um and maintain the

958
01:18:44,480 --> 01:18:50,880
hours that we have. I think we if you
look at the library budget over the last

959
01:18:48,960 --> 01:18:55,920
few years, we've trimmed everywhere. I
don't think there's anywhere we can trim

960
01:18:52,960 --> 01:19:01,640
anymore. Um and keep it open and
functioning in the way that our

961
01:18:57,520 --> 01:19:01,640
residents deserve.

962
01:19:02,560 --> 01:19:11,800
So I think I had the number somewhere.
It's like it's a 40%

963
01:19:07,280 --> 01:19:11,800
reduction if they do the whole

964
01:19:12,000 --> 01:19:19,080
» which is 45. Sorry.
>> Yeah, your head. That sounds about

965
01:19:16,080 --> 01:19:19,080
right.

966
01:19:19,120 --> 01:19:26,000
» Which means the levy increase would be
134%

967
01:19:23,760 --> 01:19:29,120
increase. just based on the the budget
numbers.

968
01:19:26,640 --> 01:19:35,040
» What's that mean? Sorry.
>> So instead of levying 25,000, we would

969
01:19:32,000 --> 01:19:39,760
have to levy 57,000. So the the amount
that we would need to levy just for the

970
01:19:36,719 --> 01:19:43,679
library would double.
>> What would that be for a house?

971
01:19:42,800 --> 01:19:47,920
» You went through it.
>> I can do that when I get the tax

972
01:19:45,600 --> 01:19:51,440
calculator ready. [clears throat]
>> It's hard because it depends. So it

973
01:19:50,000 --> 01:19:57,360
depends on your house value, the market
value. Um it depends on overall levy and

974
01:19:54,159 --> 01:20:01,840
so um I'm hoping by next meeting we can
update the tax calculator and you'll

975
01:19:59,120 --> 01:20:04,960
know exactly like if you've been I heard
through the grade fund that our values

976
01:20:03,199 --> 01:20:08,800
are not changing this next year. So
it'll be a good year to compare year to

977
01:20:06,640 --> 01:20:13,199
year. Um so we can update the tax
calculator because we created it and it

978
01:20:11,520 --> 01:20:17,000
will actually tell you exactly how much
per household that is.

979
01:20:18,000 --> 01:20:25,440
» Well, if I can just say that the people
that use the library

980
01:20:22,159 --> 01:20:29,679
are the people that don't have the extra
money. And I'm not saying everybody is

981
01:20:27,600 --> 01:20:34,800
like that, but there's a lot of people
that don't have streaming, don't have

982
01:20:32,000 --> 01:20:40,080
internet, don't have computers, and
they're the going to want they're going

983
01:20:36,239 --> 01:20:46,640
to be the ones to suffer if we, you
know, shut down or have less hours and

984
01:20:43,360 --> 01:20:53,280
stuff like that. So, I guess the people
who really really need it are the ones

985
01:20:48,480 --> 01:20:58,880
that are going to hurt if we do have to
cut back our hours or even shut down.

986
01:20:56,480 --> 01:21:04,719
So, I have a story. So, two years ago, I
brought my mom a brand new iMac and it

987
01:21:01,520 --> 01:21:10,159
sits in her kitchen nook and it's never
on when I go there. Uh, and it's she's

988
01:21:08,400 --> 01:21:13,760
going to kill me. It's because she
doesn't know how to use it, right? So

989
01:21:11,600 --> 01:21:18,080
now when you get Social Security
Administration statements, you can't get

990
01:21:15,679 --> 01:21:23,280
them on paper anymore. They have to come
online. And um and one of the excuses,

991
01:21:21,920 --> 01:21:27,280
by the way, in that committee on the
federal level is because they can't make

992
01:21:25,760 --> 01:21:32,080
sure that they're delivered from the
USPS, which is isn't that funny? Anyway,

993
01:21:30,560 --> 01:21:36,400
so
>> bizarre. So I have this brand new

994
01:21:34,080 --> 01:21:39,520
computer at my mom's house, and she
never turns it on because she doesn't

995
01:21:38,000 --> 01:21:43,679
use it very often. It's just not her
thing. So economically it would make

996
01:21:41,840 --> 01:21:48,320
more sense for people to go to the
library to use it because that's where

997
01:21:45,520 --> 01:21:52,239
she goes because someone will help her.
So I just think that it's um it's one of

998
01:21:50,880 --> 01:21:56,239
those things where you know not even
people that are you know in financial

999
01:21:54,159 --> 01:21:59,600
need or can't spend money on getting
books or whatever. It's just common

1000
01:21:58,480 --> 01:22:04,159
people like
>> that want to file their taxes or you

1001
01:22:01,840 --> 01:22:07,199
know they want to apply for something
apply for a job. So,

1002
01:22:05,760 --> 01:22:13,280
» and historically there's really been a
trend and you can follow it for decades

1003
01:22:09,760 --> 01:22:18,400
as the economy starts to get tight.
Library use goes up because people can't

1004
01:22:16,880 --> 01:22:21,679
buy that book but they come to the
library. And I love if you've been in

1005
01:22:20,239 --> 01:22:26,000
the library if you check anything out at
the bottom it has a little um today you

1006
01:22:24,159 --> 01:22:30,239
saved x number of dollars. The last time
I went home with four books and it said

1007
01:22:27,679 --> 01:22:33,520
you saved $119
which I was more than happy to check it

1008
01:22:32,159 --> 01:22:41,440
out.
>> Yes. I I have to agree with what Michael

1009
01:22:37,520 --> 01:22:47,600
said about his mother because [laughter]
if it weren't for these two gals at the

1010
01:22:44,239 --> 01:22:51,760
library, I would be so
a lot.

1011
01:22:49,600 --> 01:22:54,800
They have really helped me a lot with
computer work.

1012
01:22:53,120 --> 01:22:58,800
» I think libraries have become the the
public help desk.

1013
01:22:58,159 --> 01:23:03,880
» It's true.
>> We don't have the geek squat anymore. We

1014
01:23:00,719 --> 01:23:03,880
have librarians.

1015
01:23:05,120 --> 01:23:10,080
So I I
>> I'll put it in the budget as a

1016
01:23:08,159 --> 01:23:11,679
reduction, but know that you know
somewhere we're going to have to make

1017
01:23:11,120 --> 01:23:17,400
that up.
>> Yeah.

1018
01:23:13,760 --> 01:23:17,400
» Anything else on libraries?

1019
01:23:17,440 --> 01:23:22,600
» Okay.
>> Yes, it is important.

1020
01:23:22,639 --> 01:23:29,360
» Thank you again, Gina and Laura. You
guys did

1021
01:23:25,280 --> 01:23:36,080
» an amazing job with our library.
>> Thank you guys. Okay,

1022
01:23:32,960 --> 01:23:40,400
» Michael, can you go to ambulance?
>> Oh, you're there. Look at you.

1023
01:23:39,360 --> 01:23:44,040
» Kristen, you're going to have to come up
here because you're a soft

1024
01:23:52,560 --> 01:24:00,719
question.
>> Yes, we're gonna go to ambulance just

1025
01:23:55,520 --> 01:24:08,159
for Kristen's sake. Okay. Um
so first I just want to say ambulance

1026
01:24:03,760 --> 01:24:12,320
has a lot larger broader um
discussion and at some point we'll

1027
01:24:10,639 --> 01:24:15,840
probably have have another emergency
services meeting. I know we had one

1028
01:24:13,840 --> 01:24:22,560
earlier this year but I just want to
commend ambulance for um their very

1029
01:24:19,840 --> 01:24:26,400
steady performance this year. So unlike
our neighbors who are spending um a

1030
01:24:25,040 --> 01:24:32,159
quarter of a million dollars on their
ambulance service, our ambulance service

1031
01:24:28,480 --> 01:24:35,920
is actually ahead right now, $55,000. So
they're making money for the city yet

1032
01:24:33,760 --> 01:24:40,719
again. Um some of that's based on
grants, some of it's based on just

1033
01:24:37,840 --> 01:24:45,520
common sense. Um some of it's based on
billing. You know, we changed billing

1034
01:24:42,080 --> 01:24:47,360
partners. They trained us on April
sometime in April, right?

1035
01:24:46,800 --> 01:24:51,520
» March.
>> March. Okay. I was close. Um, but we had

1036
01:24:49,920 --> 01:24:55,280
the billing company come in and and
actually train us how to code things

1037
01:24:52,960 --> 01:24:59,440
correctly so we get bigger credits.
Anyway, all of that is to say that uh

1038
01:24:57,840 --> 01:25:03,120
ambulance is doing really really well,
but they're still a very expensive

1039
01:25:00,960 --> 01:25:07,440
department because every year is
different in ambulance and you just

1040
01:25:05,760 --> 01:25:13,120
never know who's not going to pay
whether Medicaid or Medicare um pay. I

1041
01:25:11,040 --> 01:25:19,280
think the statistic in Minnesota is that
90% of individuals that um use the

1042
01:25:17,040 --> 01:25:25,280
ambulance service either are Medicaid,
Medicare um or they don't have

1043
01:25:21,600 --> 01:25:29,920
insurance. So if you transport 50% of
the people that don't have insurance and

1044
01:25:27,760 --> 01:25:35,360
they never pay us, that is going to
financially impact your budget. So even

1045
01:25:32,560 --> 01:25:42,080
though ambulance is making money right
now, we can't expect it to we can't

1046
01:25:38,320 --> 01:25:48,239
expect it to make uh revenue.
So right now um wages come in about

1047
01:25:44,800 --> 01:25:54,080
$75,000. Um just like most volunteer
ambulance services, we pay per call um

1048
01:25:51,600 --> 01:26:00,239
and per hour depending on if that call
takes longer than normal. Um so we pay

1049
01:25:58,080 --> 01:26:04,159
them stipent. It's not an hourly wage.
It's just a stipend per call. Uh, and

1050
01:26:02,560 --> 01:26:09,040
you're like, "Wow, that's a lot." Well,
they it's really really not because some

1051
01:26:06,239 --> 01:26:15,040
calls take four hours uh and they lose
out on on their regular pay. So, that's

1052
01:26:12,560 --> 01:26:21,760
always a conundrum.
Um, I wanted to go down to um education

1053
01:26:19,440 --> 01:26:28,080
and training. So, we like I said before,
I don't I think that is very maxed out.

1054
01:26:24,400 --> 01:26:32,000
I don't think that um we're going to
spend that much on education and

1055
01:26:29,600 --> 01:26:36,159
training, but I I will say in 27 we are
going to start a cadet program. We're

1056
01:26:34,000 --> 01:26:40,960
also applying for a grant to help pay
back our education costs. So, you'll see

1057
01:26:38,639 --> 01:26:47,040
a credit in our education costs right
now. Um and that is because the state is

1058
01:26:45,040 --> 01:26:51,600
reimbursing us for some training that
happened.

1059
01:26:49,040 --> 01:26:56,719
So, that number, the $35,000 could
definitely change. Um, but we need to

1060
01:26:53,920 --> 01:26:59,600
know, um,
we need feedback from council, I guess,

1061
01:26:58,239 --> 01:27:05,040
is what I'm saying. That's why it was on
the slideshow about how many cadets do

1062
01:27:01,840 --> 01:27:10,800
we want to have go through? Um,
what kind of training program do we

1063
01:27:06,560 --> 01:27:16,080
want? Um, and you know, it it was very
very lucrative last time. Yes, it's

1064
01:27:12,880 --> 01:27:20,560
expensive, but we also got EMTs and EMRs
out of it. Um, we have another EMT

1065
01:27:18,239 --> 01:27:26,239
training. Was it was this test today or
tomorrow? Okay, he's going to pass. It's

1066
01:27:23,520 --> 01:27:30,159
going to be fine. So, um that is one of
the big questions, you know, as we get

1067
01:27:28,239 --> 01:27:34,239
down to the other other budget sessions.
If council wants to reduce that, I think

1068
01:27:31,840 --> 01:27:38,080
we're definitely all ears. Um but I will
tell you that the year before we had the

1069
01:27:36,320 --> 01:27:41,080
cadet program, it cost us almost
$30,000.

1070
01:27:42,639 --> 01:27:50,480
Uh operating supplies, um this is just
normal operating supplies. um each year

1071
01:27:48,400 --> 01:27:55,840
it kind of fluctuates, but I will tell
you that uh last year specifically we

1072
01:27:53,440 --> 01:28:00,960
did a really good job managing supplies.
We looked for different suppliers and u

1073
01:27:59,120 --> 01:28:06,880
we try to reduce that cost as much as
possible. Um so we're still sitting at

1074
01:28:04,000 --> 01:28:10,560
$12,000 because of inflation and you
never know what we have to replace. The

1075
01:28:08,960 --> 01:28:15,920
problem with ambulance in general and
this is just for all ambulances is all

1076
01:28:13,760 --> 01:28:21,199
things expire. So, even though we have
to have an EpiPen, that EpiPen expires

1077
01:28:18,480 --> 01:28:25,360
and they're very expensive. Um, how much
are they now?

1078
01:28:23,440 --> 01:28:26,880
» I think they were like 500 bucks or
something. They're ridiculously

1079
01:28:26,560 --> 01:28:30,080
expensive.
>> They're super expensive.

1080
01:28:28,159 --> 01:28:33,040
» Um, and so then when we don't use it,
it's not like we can just like, you

1081
01:28:31,360 --> 01:28:37,760
know, like at home, you know, that can
of tomatoes, you're like, well, I mean,

1082
01:28:35,600 --> 01:28:43,840
it's a couple pes but we can't use it,
right? Medically. motor fuels. Um,

1083
01:28:41,440 --> 01:28:48,960
consistently, uh, ambulance is about
$5,000 worth of motor fuels every single

1084
01:28:47,199 --> 01:28:53,520
year. They're actually down a little bit
this year, but again, that's going to

1085
01:28:50,639 --> 01:28:58,159
have to depend on where they go and how
far they go, uh, depending on they're

1086
01:28:56,400 --> 01:29:02,960
using backup or not. [snorts] Small
tools and minor equipment. Um, again,

1087
01:29:00,480 --> 01:29:07,280
this is just minor stuff that they need,
stretchers, etc. That's $3,000 that

1088
01:29:05,280 --> 01:29:12,320
we're budgeting. Um, they've been pretty
consistent. Um, SP is about three grand.

1089
01:29:11,120 --> 01:29:16,880
How much are they?
>> EP is 165.

1090
01:29:14,320 --> 01:29:21,520
» We went to We went to buy We went to B.
We used to have the EP pens which were

1091
01:29:18,800 --> 01:29:23,679
way more expensive and that's right.
>> That is why

1092
01:29:22,320 --> 01:29:27,280
» that is why. But they used to be like
500 bucks and we switched it.

1093
01:29:25,280 --> 01:29:32,320
» They were 35052.
>> Yeah, it's expensive.

1094
01:29:28,719 --> 01:29:36,080
» And glucagon. That's fine. That's 31138.
>> Yes.

1095
01:29:33,760 --> 01:29:40,719
» And that's only one use.
>> Yeah. One use.

1096
01:29:37,600 --> 01:29:46,639
» One use. single use
professional services. Um, how do we

1097
01:29:43,679 --> 01:29:52,800
explain that in this one? So, we pay a
company to do our billing. They deal

1098
01:29:49,679 --> 01:29:56,639
with Medicaid, Medicare,
um, and then they charge us for that.

1099
01:29:54,960 --> 01:30:00,719
And I believe Heather, correct me if I'm
wrong, that's where this professional

1100
01:29:58,000 --> 01:30:05,280
services account is coming from. Sorry,
they're in there. But it is also when we

1101
01:30:02,960 --> 01:30:10,880
have ALS transports that we meet up
with. But we get build when Ridge View

1102
01:30:08,400 --> 01:30:16,560
or Wina come do ALS for us because we're
a BLS service. Um, one of them charges

1103
01:30:13,679 --> 01:30:21,120
us $200 each time. The other one charges
us $400 each time. And it just depends

1104
01:30:18,880 --> 01:30:23,360
on where we're at with our call.
>> And the building guys in there, too,

1105
01:30:22,560 --> 01:30:26,360
right?
>> Yeah.

1106
01:30:27,360 --> 01:30:35,120
» Um, consistently, as you see, three-year
trend. Um, it's been about 20 grand

1107
01:30:32,159 --> 01:30:40,400
every single year. Telephone, they do
have cell phones. Um, sorry, I only left

1108
01:30:39,040 --> 01:30:46,639
because when they expired, that was such
a fiasco. Uh, they they cost about

1109
01:30:43,360 --> 01:30:53,199
$3,200. They are in a reduced rate, but
it still cost money to to do them. Um,

1110
01:30:51,280 --> 01:30:58,239
travel expenses, we hadn't really been
spending um a whole lot, so we don't

1111
01:30:55,360 --> 01:31:03,520
budget for it. Um, this last year, we
did and a couple individuals to

1112
01:31:00,639 --> 01:31:07,199
training. Um, excuse me, we got a grant
for it. That's where the training and

1113
01:31:04,960 --> 01:31:12,400
education are. That's where all that got
stuck. So that 1300 is really a wash.

1114
01:31:09,760 --> 01:31:21,360
Just so you know, we receive some grants
and aids, but um mostly um you know

1115
01:31:16,960 --> 01:31:26,880
ambulance is dependent on taxation runs.
So obviously we charge for runs u

1116
01:31:23,679 --> 01:31:33,760
Medicaid, Medicare and individually. Um,
we are about a 100,000 to 115, but

1117
01:31:30,480 --> 01:31:37,840
again, it really depends on who uses it.
Cost share is new this last year. That

1118
01:31:35,920 --> 01:31:44,400
comes from the townships. So, we do
charge them um $65 per section to have

1119
01:31:42,400 --> 01:31:50,719
our ambulance service and then that goes
in. It is not all the 26,000 though. Um,

1120
01:31:48,400 --> 01:31:55,920
that's a little bit um because Given
pays us $65 per call, which theirs is

1121
01:31:53,679 --> 01:31:59,760
about $13,000
depending on how many calls they get per

1122
01:31:57,600 --> 01:32:01,520
year. Um, so we and they got a lot this
year.

1123
01:32:00,159 --> 01:32:06,719
» Saturday it was four.
>> Yes. Yes. Saturday it was four. Well,

1124
01:32:03,920 --> 01:32:13,320
that's good. Um, so they do help pay
into that. Uh, it's their one small

1125
01:32:09,360 --> 01:32:13,320
amount that they give us.

1126
01:32:14,880 --> 01:32:24,480
» Oh, I'm sorry.
uh property insurance obviously we pay

1127
01:32:21,440 --> 01:32:28,560
and then the electric utility
consistently. So the mini splits that

1128
01:32:26,639 --> 01:32:33,520
are in the ambulance bay right now and
the old ambulance barn is coming out of

1129
01:32:31,120 --> 01:32:39,360
this account. We are hoping to winterize
that building. So we no longer have to

1130
01:32:35,920 --> 01:32:43,440
pay many that's not many gas centerpoint
energy and electric out of that. The old

1131
01:32:42,159 --> 01:32:47,199
building isn't
>> Oh, it's not, but it was before

1132
01:32:46,320 --> 01:32:50,480
» Yeah.
>> Um,

1133
01:32:48,960 --> 01:32:54,239
maintenance of repair and equipment. I
will tell you that as our ambulances

1134
01:32:52,400 --> 01:32:58,159
age,
there are going to continue to be

1135
01:32:55,760 --> 01:33:03,360
repairs, especially on the old ambulance
rig. Um, it's got some front end issues

1136
01:33:01,280 --> 01:33:06,719
right now. It jostles pretty bad. We're
going to have to repair that. Um, I

1137
01:33:05,280 --> 01:33:11,280
recommend the council to keep that at
5,000 because you can see two years ago

1138
01:33:08,880 --> 01:33:17,679
we had to get new tires, new struts. It
was really expensive. It cost us 10.

1139
01:33:14,560 --> 01:33:21,600
Uniform allowance. Um, again, there
there's going to be a need for new

1140
01:33:19,440 --> 01:33:27,120
uniforms with cadets plus other people
graduating EMTs. That's 3,000. The

1141
01:33:24,560 --> 01:33:32,040
miscellaneous of a,000 and due
subscriptions um is 5,300.

1142
01:33:34,239 --> 01:33:43,400
So, um total tax levy right now is
$100,000. That's a 24.8% 8% increase.

1143
01:33:45,840 --> 01:33:49,520
» I think one of the things
>> Why is yours different by mine?

1144
01:33:48,560 --> 01:33:53,440
» Yeah,
>> mine is different.

1145
01:33:51,040 --> 01:33:56,440
» So that 5,300 actually needs to be
2,444.

1146
01:33:58,639 --> 01:34:04,679
» That is their Microsoft Office.
>> 2,41

1147
01:34:08,784 --> 01:34:13,400
[laughter]
Where's the dot on this thing?

1148
01:34:14,400 --> 01:34:21,120
» And something else is different.
>> Yeah, we can check it. But is there any

1149
01:34:18,880 --> 01:34:25,639
additions, corrections, questions about
the categories that we can dive into?

1150
01:34:25,920 --> 01:34:35,679
» I have kind of an odd question, Kristen.
So, when when are there too many cadets?

1151
01:34:32,159 --> 01:34:38,639
like what is what is your
perfect number of EMTs to have

1152
01:34:38,000 --> 01:34:42,639
available?
>> There's never perfect number for EMTs. I

1153
01:34:40,800 --> 01:34:47,600
will tell you that we are always short.
Um especially day crew. Um

1154
01:34:45,760 --> 01:34:53,199
» there's there's three of us that
literally are the only three that can do

1155
01:34:50,560 --> 01:35:00,560
day crew. And that's 6A to 6P and that's
five days a week. And if myself, Aaron,

1156
01:34:58,480 --> 01:35:04,239
or Austin would ever quit the ambulance
service, you would not have a day crew

1157
01:35:02,239 --> 01:35:09,760
of service at all.
>> So there's never there's never enough

1158
01:35:07,679 --> 01:35:14,800
» there's never enough EMTs.
>> I think that's one of the things, you

1159
01:35:11,840 --> 01:35:19,679
know, right now it's got $35,000 in that
line item, which looks like a lot, and

1160
01:35:16,880 --> 01:35:24,159
it is. Um, but that's [clears throat]
one of those instances where I think we

1161
01:35:21,840 --> 01:35:28,080
should look at it and say that seems
like a lot to spend today, but what is

1162
01:35:26,000 --> 01:35:33,440
it going to save us next year and 5
years down the road? And if we don't

1163
01:35:31,440 --> 01:35:37,600
invest in that, we're going to end up in
the same situation as some of our

1164
01:35:35,440 --> 01:35:41,679
neighbors down the road that don't have
coverage. They don't have they don't

1165
01:35:39,840 --> 01:35:48,159
have people. They don't have volunteers.
So, they're paying um outsourcing. We

1166
01:35:45,440 --> 01:35:53,040
don't and we don't all have EMTs. We
have EMRs also, but you cannot leave the

1167
01:35:50,239 --> 01:35:58,480
barn until you have an EMT and an EMR.
EMR cannot go by. Hold

1168
01:35:55,120 --> 01:36:04,320
» on. Okay.
>> Um, we just do not There we go.

1169
01:36:00,880 --> 01:36:10,560
» We just do not have um EMTs. It's EMTs
and EMRs. So, EMTs have to have an EMR

1170
01:36:08,080 --> 01:36:15,040
or an EMR has to have an EMT leave the
barn with them. You cannot just leave as

1171
01:36:12,480 --> 01:36:20,120
an EMR from our facilities. You have to
have an EMT take patient care.

1172
01:36:20,880 --> 01:36:25,400
» Yeah.
But

1173
01:36:25,920 --> 01:36:35,360
» so I you know it is really important and
having those volunteers

1174
01:36:31,360 --> 01:36:41,520
saves us a lot of money because there
has to be am ambulance coverage somehow

1175
01:36:38,800 --> 01:36:46,960
and if we didn't have volunteers we
potentially have to contract with Alina

1176
01:36:43,600 --> 01:36:53,199
or Ridge View or something and that
they're going to charge us a lot more

1177
01:36:49,600 --> 01:36:58,239
than it cost us to train new cadets.
>> Michael, what's Gaylord shortage this

1178
01:36:55,920 --> 01:37:01,520
year?
>> They're spending.

1179
01:36:59,040 --> 01:37:06,239
» Yeah. So, Gaylord right now um has a
service area. They didn't sell their

1180
01:37:03,119 --> 01:37:10,320
service area to Richview. So, Gaylord
retains their service area, which I

1181
01:37:08,159 --> 01:37:14,560
think is important to point out. Like,
we have everything, you know, west of

1182
01:37:12,719 --> 01:37:20,239
here. We go all the way to the county
border. Um, so Gaylord spends about

1183
01:37:18,719 --> 01:37:23,440
$235,000
just to have Richie recover and they

1184
01:37:21,840 --> 01:37:27,520
also don't recover any of the revenue
>> and that's just during the day.

1185
01:37:25,760 --> 01:37:30,800
» That's just during the day. At night
they have to have

1186
01:37:28,880 --> 01:37:33,119
» the volunteer service there. So there's
an extra expense on there too.

1187
01:37:32,239 --> 01:37:41,440
» Y so
>> and for day um if you cover at night you

1188
01:37:38,639 --> 01:37:47,199
do get just like a like a $2
>> an hour um with their nine members. So,

1189
01:37:44,400 --> 01:37:51,199
they have nine uh members just gathered
alone.

1190
01:37:48,719 --> 01:37:55,760
Um if Ridge View has their employees
cover overnight, then it's a full wage

1191
01:37:53,040 --> 01:38:00,000
cost. It's not your $2 an hour. It's
Bridge View's wage cost of the EMT or

1192
01:37:58,239 --> 01:38:04,520
the paramedic that has to stay because
they cannot have the volunteers cover.

1193
01:38:04,960 --> 01:38:10,480
» We also [clears throat] have some that
are getting up there in age. So, we need

1194
01:38:08,400 --> 01:38:13,280
to prepare for the retirements that are
eventually going to come. There are some

1195
01:38:12,560 --> 01:38:15,600
that have served.
>> I mean, we have Scott that's been on for

1196
01:38:14,880 --> 01:38:18,400
50 years.
>> Yeah.

1197
01:38:16,719 --> 01:38:21,760
» Yeah. People do retire.
>> They some people get to a point where

1198
01:38:20,560 --> 01:38:27,040
they're, you know, other life
commitments are more than they can

1199
01:38:23,600 --> 01:38:30,080
manage. So, we do need to have some new
people ready to step in.

1200
01:38:28,480 --> 01:38:35,280
» And I think the other part of this
discussion is could Ridge View, Alina,

1201
01:38:32,480 --> 01:38:41,520
Hudge Health, whoever even take us on.
We're in a really weird area um between

1202
01:38:38,320 --> 01:38:45,360
the hospitals. I mean, Ridge View,
honestly, they've told the city of

1203
01:38:42,880 --> 01:38:49,360
Gailor, they're losing $100,000 on that
service every year, and they're not

1204
01:38:47,679 --> 01:38:53,679
going to do that forever. I don't know
if you know, for-profit companies, other

1205
01:38:52,400 --> 01:38:58,159
nonprofits,
>> they're not going to do that forever.

1206
01:38:55,199 --> 01:39:03,199
And I don't know if Alina even has the
people and manpower to do that. I will

1207
01:39:01,440 --> 01:39:07,760
tell you I worked this weekend at Alina
out of New

1208
01:39:04,960 --> 01:39:12,880
and me and Cheryl Malheim were the only
truck in town and we had four transfers

1209
01:39:10,080 --> 01:39:15,920
that we could not even take out of New
because we had no other trucks

1210
01:39:14,159 --> 01:39:21,119
available.
So we are very shortanded on our trucks

1211
01:39:18,320 --> 01:39:27,119
also.
So no and Hutch is very understaffed all

1212
01:39:24,880 --> 01:39:31,520
the time and Glenol is too. They're
constantly trying to hire people. So,

1213
01:39:29,760 --> 01:39:36,560
» so if you know somebody who volunteers
as an EMT or an EMR, tell them thank

1214
01:39:34,239 --> 01:39:44,080
you, thank you, thank you.
We appreciate it very much.

1215
01:39:39,520 --> 01:39:47,040
» 25300. That's where the 5300 moved to.
>> Um, council, do you have any more

1216
01:39:46,320 --> 01:39:51,040
questions?
>> No, I don't. Just personal opinion. I

1217
01:39:49,440 --> 01:39:55,600
don't think this is the department to
make cuts to.

1218
01:39:53,280 --> 01:39:59,679
» Anybody in the audience have questions
for us or comments? I'm a little

1219
01:39:58,000 --> 01:40:06,000
confused on why there isn't any cost
share in this budget.

1220
01:40:04,320 --> 01:40:09,840
» Don't we have Yeah, we have cost share.
Um you talked about referenced a little

1221
01:40:08,080 --> 01:40:14,719
bit that that's the count
>> that cost share is the difference at the

1222
01:40:13,040 --> 01:40:20,719
end of the year after we get all the
totals in. That is this the amount over

1223
01:40:18,239 --> 01:40:24,719
if the ambulance goes over their budget
and we share that cost with the

1224
01:40:22,639 --> 01:40:28,480
townships. That is their portion that
comes in. We can't budget for it because

1225
01:40:26,800 --> 01:40:33,840
we don't know what we're spending for
ambulance until the end of the year.

1226
01:40:32,159 --> 01:40:37,119
» It is very likely that we won't have a
cost share this year because the

1227
01:40:35,280 --> 01:40:42,159
ambulance is going to make money not
lose money.

1228
01:40:39,440 --> 01:40:47,520
» But does the what we take in the the
townships all pay contract fee and yeah

1229
01:40:44,960 --> 01:40:51,840
that's under contract fees. Okay.
>> Got it.

1230
01:40:48,800 --> 01:40:57,679
» Yeah. The contract fee is the 8775 is
what the townships and Taylor pay sorry

1231
01:40:55,280 --> 01:41:02,880
give and pay uh each year but then that
cost share is anything over. So the the

1232
01:41:00,560 --> 01:41:08,000
$57,01040
that we were over last year on the

1233
01:41:04,639 --> 01:41:12,400
budget that cost shares with everyone in
our district.

1234
01:41:10,000 --> 01:41:17,280
And another comment I'd like to make is
someone just said it. I know the library

1235
01:41:15,520 --> 01:41:20,159
is very valuable to a lot of people, but
this to me is the most one of the most

1236
01:41:18,960 --> 01:41:23,679
this and the police are probably the
most important services we provide as

1237
01:41:21,920 --> 01:41:30,040
community service is not an area I would
think we should skip or allow ourselves

1238
01:41:25,920 --> 01:41:30,040
to be short staffed on

1239
01:41:31,440 --> 01:41:36,119
» All right. Anything else on ambulance?

1240
01:41:36,719 --> 01:41:42,760
» All right, move on to the next. Thank
you. Thanks very much.

1241
01:41:48,080 --> 01:41:56,440
Next we are going to go we're going to
go back to the beginning right after

1242
01:41:52,159 --> 01:41:56,440
council was general spend.

1243
01:41:59,840 --> 01:42:11,520
So in 2027 um there are oh my gosh
I wish this would scroll easier.

1244
01:42:09,360 --> 01:42:17,679
Um we don't have any actual employees.
the employee that is part-time in there

1245
01:42:14,400 --> 01:42:21,760
is our um
lack of a better maintenance. Yeah. The

1246
01:42:20,400 --> 01:42:27,760
ground ski for the person that cleans
the restrooms, restocks everything. Um

1247
01:42:25,199 --> 01:42:35,520
that costs about5 to $6,000 every single
year. Um that's also why we do some

1248
01:42:31,040 --> 01:42:42,239
charges up in city hall. Um, if we go
down to office supplies, uh, which is

1249
01:42:38,239 --> 01:42:47,600
category 200, uh, that's a $2,000 spend.
Um, that includes

1250
01:42:45,040 --> 01:42:53,600
pretty much our library,
honestly, most of every we kind of just

1251
01:42:50,639 --> 01:42:58,400
did. So, before we started this, we used
to have a budget and everyone used to

1252
01:42:55,199 --> 01:43:01,360
spend about5 to 7,000 on the same amount
of pens, the same amount of paper, the

1253
01:43:00,080 --> 01:43:06,480
same amount of envelopes, and it was
insane. So, we cut everyone back and

1254
01:43:04,000 --> 01:43:12,480
everyone kind of dips into the same area
and then we divvy out that amount unless

1255
01:43:09,760 --> 01:43:17,040
it's department specific.
Um, so office supplies will definitely

1256
01:43:14,560 --> 01:43:22,480
spend uh computer supplies. We are
planning um on getting a new laptop, so

1257
01:43:20,080 --> 01:43:27,280
that $3,000 is probably going to be
necessary. I will tell you on the back

1258
01:43:25,199 --> 01:43:31,840
side of this, we asked our IT person,
you know, our our server right now is

1259
01:43:29,440 --> 01:43:38,400
about 5 years old. um end of life for
servers is about seven. He is not at

1260
01:43:35,360 --> 01:43:44,080
this time recommending that we actually
renew our server. We should use it until

1261
01:43:40,639 --> 01:43:47,760
it doesn't work anymore. But um he is
recommending that we go full cloud

1262
01:43:45,920 --> 01:43:52,320
because the League of Minnesota cities
is requesting that cities have

1263
01:43:49,840 --> 01:43:57,360
multifactor authentication and our
server does not currently have that and

1264
01:43:55,840 --> 01:44:03,520
to upgrade that is like I don't know
like $30,000. It's not worth it. Um, so,

1265
01:44:01,040 --> 01:44:08,239
uh, you know, we were saving kind of a
replacement server. He's recommending

1266
01:44:04,960 --> 01:44:14,880
that we do not. Anyway, training and
education. So, we did put, um, more in

1267
01:44:12,480 --> 01:44:18,719
training and education this year. Um, I
plan to go for my

1268
01:44:17,199 --> 01:44:23,760
um, certificate, which is a two-year
program.

1269
01:44:20,480 --> 01:44:27,600
Uh we also um have some other trainings
and um conferences that we're going to

1270
01:44:26,080 --> 01:44:32,560
go to including the League of Minnesota
Cities

1271
01:44:29,199 --> 01:44:40,320
and um the coalition. So there is more
in that fund. Small tools and minor

1272
01:44:35,280 --> 01:44:44,159
equipment um just 500 bucks just in case
technologies and service agreement. This

1273
01:44:42,080 --> 01:44:50,080
is a very large category for the city of
Winthrop. includes a lot of things and

1274
01:44:47,840 --> 01:44:53,679
Heather, if you
could list things that are under that

1275
01:44:51,840 --> 01:44:59,199
category so people understand what's in
there.

1276
01:44:54,320 --> 01:45:06,400
» The majority of it is all of the city's
emails, um, our Microsoft licenses.

1277
01:45:04,080 --> 01:45:10,480
Before we held all of it in this
category, this year we're trying to

1278
01:45:08,480 --> 01:45:14,480
break it out by department so that it's
more specific to what we're spending

1279
01:45:12,400 --> 01:45:19,920
where. We used to just take that bill
and dump it into this one, but we're

1280
01:45:17,520 --> 01:45:24,400
noticing like the ambulance now has more
licenses than they used to. The police

1281
01:45:22,480 --> 01:45:28,400
department has more licenses than they
used to. So, it's now spread out into

1282
01:45:26,560 --> 01:45:31,760
the correct departments, which is why
you're seeing the downshift.

1283
01:45:30,239 --> 01:45:34,560
» And I don't think that I have the right
number in there, Heather. I don't know

1284
01:45:33,119 --> 01:45:38,400
if I got the wrong file.
>> No, you did. It's right.

1285
01:45:36,239 --> 01:45:45,040
» So, our recommendation is 35,000.
>> No, it's the 135.

1286
01:45:41,679 --> 01:45:49,440
Oh, no. That's wrong. 135 is what?
Sorry. 1300 13,000. Oh my gosh.

1287
01:45:48,639 --> 01:45:51,280
» Yes, I got it.
>> Thank you.

1288
01:45:50,000 --> 01:45:54,800
» Yeah, because I was going to say that
should have went down.

1289
01:45:52,560 --> 01:45:58,639
» Are you on the Gmail one?
>> I pulled it off the hard drive, but this

1290
01:45:56,639 --> 01:46:02,480
thing is I don't think it's I think I
don't think it's all functioning. The

1291
01:46:00,080 --> 01:46:06,159
numbers are pretty basic, but there are
some things that we demi out. So, like

1292
01:46:04,800 --> 01:46:12,560
Yeah. So, like Heather said, the
Microsoft accounts um

1293
01:46:10,080 --> 01:46:18,080
they are very expensive, but in order to
have secure SSL emails, um you know, we

1294
01:46:16,560 --> 01:46:22,080
we have to function.
>> It's also our server. It's the

1295
01:46:19,520 --> 01:46:25,760
» it's also the server. It's also all text
support, all Wi-Fi routers, everything

1296
01:46:24,560 --> 01:46:28,239
in the building,
>> but we did divy that out to different

1297
01:46:27,679 --> 01:46:34,960
accounts
>> and our part of our system.

1298
01:46:32,400 --> 01:46:40,800
So part of our financial system is paid
for by the general fund. The other funds

1299
01:46:37,840 --> 01:46:46,400
also pay for it. So electric, water,
sewer also help pay for Cassell.

1300
01:46:44,400 --> 01:46:50,119
» Take the 500 off, please.
>> Is it just 13,000?

1301
01:46:50,400 --> 01:46:55,280
» You're welcome.
>> Thank you.

1302
01:46:52,639 --> 01:47:02,000
» Um so for professional services, um
$2,500.

1303
01:46:56,960 --> 01:47:05,920
Um, kind of remind me what is in 300 for
general spend.

1304
01:47:03,600 --> 01:47:10,080
» That one
>> is one second.

1305
01:47:07,440 --> 01:47:16,000
» So, telephone is
all of our telephones. Um,

1306
01:47:13,280 --> 01:47:22,719
the the actual lines that we pay for is
about $8,000 every single year.

1307
01:47:18,880 --> 01:47:28,719
Travel expenses. We did up that this um
last year and we expect to hit that or

1308
01:47:26,080 --> 01:47:33,119
more. Um especially if strings continues
to go on, we're going to have to go

1309
01:47:30,639 --> 01:47:38,800
lobby Washington and go up to the state
capital quite a bit.

1310
01:47:36,080 --> 01:47:45,679
» It is our ACPS from Perennial Bank. It
is our site grown website, our domain

1311
01:47:41,600 --> 01:47:51,280
subscription quarter and the MEI
elevator service fee. Perfect. So,

1312
01:47:49,199 --> 01:47:54,239
praying bank fees,
>> those are gone now.

1313
01:47:52,719 --> 01:47:59,920
» And
um

1314
01:47:56,080 --> 01:48:05,760
most of our website is on that. So, our
so our actual win.gov

1315
01:48:02,159 --> 01:48:10,719
site is on in professional services. And
then in dues of subscriptions, Heather,

1316
01:48:08,400 --> 01:48:19,080
is that number correct? I have 12,000 on
my screen.

1317
01:48:11,679 --> 01:48:19,080
» That one is correct. That one is the

1318
01:48:19,440 --> 01:48:26,320
constant contact
Adobe

1319
01:48:24,320 --> 01:48:30,560
» Constant Contact Adobe
>> Opti Signs Home Base.

1320
01:48:28,800 --> 01:48:33,719
» Home base is what we use to punch in or
punch out.

1321
01:48:35,520 --> 01:48:43,119
» Constant contact is how you can notify
residents of

1322
01:48:38,800 --> 01:48:49,040
» Yeah. So constant contact is used um for
weather alerts. Um

1323
01:48:46,239 --> 01:48:53,600
and we use it for other reasons too like
survey certificates. The chamber also

1324
01:48:52,000 --> 01:48:59,679
uses it.
>> Uh the crime business,

1325
01:48:56,320 --> 01:49:05,760
the Google workspace.
>> We got right at Google Workspace, but we

1326
01:49:03,280 --> 01:49:09,119
won't have that next year. So any
questions about general spend? We did

1327
01:49:07,360 --> 01:49:16,040
reduce this category by %
year-over-year. Um, but any feedback we

1328
01:49:12,320 --> 01:49:16,040
would be happy

1329
01:49:16,880 --> 01:49:20,119
» any questions?

1330
01:49:22,560 --> 01:49:26,560
» Okay.
>> Comments from the public.

1331
01:49:25,760 --> 01:49:32,960
» Yeah.
>> The phone expense hardware or services.

1332
01:49:30,320 --> 01:49:38,320
» Um, so all of our phones are Verizon.
Our whole office is run through Verizon.

1333
01:49:35,600 --> 01:49:44,960
So, it's the desk phones downstairs.
It's um a forwarding service to forward

1334
01:49:42,880 --> 01:49:51,520
to our cell phones when we're offsite so
that if we're closed, we can still

1335
01:49:47,119 --> 01:49:54,880
accept calls where we are. Um I think
that's pretty much just Verizon.

1336
01:49:53,199 --> 01:49:58,000
» I'm pretty sure it's just Verizon.
>> Okay. I was just wondering

1337
01:49:56,580 --> 01:50:00,400
[clears throat] if there's like cheaper
option through VIP or anything like

1338
01:50:00,080 --> 01:50:04,960
that.
>> That's what it is. We have a BIP. Um, we

1339
01:50:03,199 --> 01:50:09,280
had RS Fiber and they were almost double
the cost.

1340
01:50:06,400 --> 01:50:14,320
» Um, second question,
do we have adequate cyber security

1341
01:50:12,159 --> 01:50:17,440
consulting services available to us
through League of Cities or what people

1342
01:50:17,199 --> 01:50:22,800
like?
>> Yep. So, we um hire Tech Unlimited.

1343
01:50:20,320 --> 01:50:27,280
They're the same ones that do um sleepy
US Portland. I don't know. He does a

1344
01:50:25,760 --> 01:50:33,040
number of cities and he's actually
certified through the Minnesota cities.

1345
01:50:29,280 --> 01:50:37,280
Okay. And then do we is our hardware up
to date? I think like the recent cyber

1346
01:50:35,040 --> 01:50:39,440
security with the water had to deal
with.

1347
01:50:37,440 --> 01:50:44,880
» Oh yeah, sure. Hardware.
>> Yeah, I can address some of that. So we

1348
01:50:41,440 --> 01:50:51,119
do use SCADA um which is a normal
operating system for wastewater and

1349
01:50:48,159 --> 01:50:56,320
water. Um the great thing is is when we
put our SCADA system in, it's a direct

1350
01:50:53,040 --> 01:51:00,159
connect. So the how it communicates is
actually not online. It's a direct

1351
01:50:58,400 --> 01:51:04,880
connection. And so from our water towers
all the way down to the lift station. Um

1352
01:51:03,119 --> 01:51:09,920
it's directly connected. It doesn't
actually get updates the normal way like

1353
01:51:07,920 --> 01:51:14,320
ours.
Um and also I just you know our our

1354
01:51:12,320 --> 01:51:20,800
water plant is from 1950. It does not
have automatic feeds. So um

1355
01:51:18,159 --> 01:51:24,480
the way we do chlorine is not through
computer animation. It's actually

1356
01:51:22,400 --> 01:51:30,960
through a drip and then we test it and
etc. It's not. So, a lot of the concern

1357
01:51:27,760 --> 01:51:34,639
about water plants getting packed is
because you can screw up with chlorine

1358
01:51:33,119 --> 01:51:38,560
and fluoride, right? And you can get
very sick very quickly. Um, it they

1359
01:51:37,280 --> 01:51:44,080
would not be able to do that. They'd
physically have to be in the plant.

1360
01:51:40,239 --> 01:51:47,119
» So, no no obvious hardware updates that
we need to provide for the budget is

1361
01:51:45,679 --> 01:51:51,599
what I'm hearing or software.
>> Yeah. No, the SCADA system that we do is

1362
01:51:49,520 --> 01:51:57,040
pretty secure. It's also, like I said,
it's not directly connected.

1363
01:51:53,760 --> 01:52:00,560
» Thank you. question about water. Do we
ever [clears throat] update our filters

1364
01:51:58,480 --> 01:52:04,080
in the water? A couple years ago when I
was coming to a meeting, there was two

1365
01:52:01,920 --> 01:52:09,599
filters that needed to be replaced. And
the reason I'm asking is when our kids

1366
01:52:05,840 --> 01:52:12,800
left for a slow three-day vacation, when
they came back, their water ran rusty

1367
01:52:12,080 --> 01:52:16,880
for a while.
>> Yeah, there's there's a couple reasons.

1368
01:52:14,400 --> 01:52:22,080
They may have flushed a water man uh
when they were gone. Um the fire

1369
01:52:19,360 --> 01:52:26,320
department may have opened a a hydrant
and so that becomes it becomes rusty

1370
01:52:24,560 --> 01:52:31,280
because it gets all that sediment kind
of kicked up. Uh they did recharge the

1371
01:52:29,040 --> 01:52:36,480
medium about
maybe three years ago. Um but they have

1372
01:52:34,000 --> 01:52:39,199
not replaced them fully. That's
>> so what is that going to have to happen?

1373
01:52:38,239 --> 01:52:45,199
What's the cost?
>> Yep. So um they're about half a million

1374
01:52:41,520 --> 01:52:50,560
dollars to replace the the median.
>> So we're good for a year or two. We just

1375
01:52:47,599 --> 01:52:53,920
had it tested last year, I think year
before, because the state makes us, you

1376
01:52:52,239 --> 01:52:57,040
know, that's why we don't use well
number four right now because it had

1377
01:52:55,119 --> 01:53:02,719
really high maganesees and so we
couldn't use well number four. Um, so

1378
01:52:59,599 --> 01:53:07,840
the the health department shut well
number four down. Um, and in order to

1379
01:53:05,920 --> 01:53:12,159
rehab it, it was like a half a million
dollars. So it really wasn't worth it.

1380
01:53:10,080 --> 01:53:16,679
Um, and at that time they tested our
filters and medium inside.

1381
01:53:17,520 --> 01:53:23,199
The telephone category also has the
internet for the city parks in it.

1382
01:53:20,800 --> 01:53:28,203
That's why it's said it's RS fiber.
>> It's RS fiber, too.

1383
01:53:26,183 --> 01:53:28,203
[snorts]

1384
01:53:28,320 --> 01:53:34,560
» Other questions?
>> I guess mine is more of a general

1385
01:53:32,480 --> 01:53:39,119
question as far as where the budget's
currently at. Are we operating within a

1386
01:53:36,639 --> 01:53:43,360
deficit? And if we are, how are we
carrying a deficit for the future?

1387
01:53:41,440 --> 01:53:47,280
» We do not operate at a deficit.
>> Okay. So, we're not operating on a

1388
01:53:45,280 --> 01:53:50,280
negative balance at all.
>> Correct.

1389
01:53:52,480 --> 01:53:58,560
» I don't think we've ever have been in
the years that I've been on council.

1390
01:53:56,880 --> 01:54:01,280
» The only year that we did was when we
started Second Street, but then that was

1391
01:54:00,080 --> 01:54:04,800
covered by bond proceeds.
>> That's right.

1392
01:54:01,920 --> 01:54:10,320
» Yeah.
>> Okay. Any other questions about the

1393
01:54:07,760 --> 01:54:15,199
general spend?
If not, let's keep moving. So, we can

1394
01:54:13,440 --> 01:54:19,840
» elections we can skip. We're not having
elections next year. So, that was an

1395
01:54:17,520 --> 01:54:23,119
easy category to say zero in. Um,
unfortunately, it wasn't a very big

1396
01:54:21,119 --> 01:54:29,440
category. This is auditing, assessing,
and attorney fees. Um, so professional

1397
01:54:26,480 --> 01:54:36,159
services, uh, specifically,
you know, we have these building permit

1398
01:54:31,199 --> 01:54:41,679
things. That's where we pay. Um,
it's not the right one. It's not all the

1399
01:54:38,159 --> 01:54:47,280
way over. Um but that's where we pay um
the county um to do assessments is that

1400
01:54:44,159 --> 01:54:53,199
second category that 816,000
is where we pay the county to um do

1401
01:54:50,480 --> 01:54:57,920
assessments and property evaluations. Uh
we pay for that service. Obviously our

1402
01:54:55,679 --> 01:55:03,599
legal fees uh it's a little bit skewed
from our actual to budget. It takes a

1403
01:54:59,840 --> 01:55:08,880
while for him u to do quarterly budgets.
So we've spent more than $10,000 on

1404
01:55:06,000 --> 01:55:15,199
legal fees. I can guarantee that. Um,
but it'll be about $30,000. Uh, in 2023

1405
01:55:12,320 --> 01:55:20,000
was the actual um last time that the
count the city attorney was um in city

1406
01:55:18,480 --> 01:55:24,800
hall like during city council meetings
and that kind of stuff. And the year

1407
01:55:22,480 --> 01:55:29,239
before that was about $50,000. So not
having them directly in the meeting.

1408
01:55:30,560 --> 01:55:39,119
I don't recommend moving any of these.
>> Does anybody have any questions about

1409
01:55:36,320 --> 01:55:39,119
them?

1410
01:55:44,480 --> 01:55:49,840
There are some things that are just sort
of not negotiable and I think they're

1411
01:55:48,960 --> 01:55:55,040
kind of boring.
>> These might be all right.

1412
01:55:52,239 --> 01:55:59,280
» So this is
So this is the professional services

1413
01:55:56,880 --> 01:56:04,719
from the auditors and then planning and
zoning has the contractor fees for the

1414
01:56:01,760 --> 01:56:09,119
professional services for Darren um for
building code enforcement. Whoops.

1415
01:56:07,599 --> 01:56:15,199
Nope.
Um, so Darren Cus, um, you know, just

1416
01:56:13,119 --> 01:56:20,000
depending on the year, if you remember,
2024 was a big year, we had a lot of

1417
01:56:17,440 --> 01:56:24,159
industrial expansion. When we go through
that permit review, they become

1418
01:56:21,840 --> 01:56:29,040
increasingly expensive. So when
Heartland Farm Products puts an $8

1419
01:56:25,760 --> 01:56:31,679
million um building up, that permit gets
really expensive. It has to go through

1420
01:56:30,400 --> 01:56:37,760
state fire marshall. There's more
permitting involved, PCA,

1421
01:56:34,560 --> 01:56:42,880
etc. So 2024 is kind of a weird outlier.
Um the professional services there will

1422
01:56:40,480 --> 01:56:48,880
cost us about $105,000.
We normally budget about $40,000. Um

1423
01:56:46,400 --> 01:56:53,360
this year I will tell you there's been a
lot of movement with building permits.

1424
01:56:50,880 --> 01:56:58,840
Um we're probably going to go over that
especially I know there's some larger

1425
01:56:55,440 --> 01:56:58,840
permits coming.

1426
01:57:01,760 --> 01:57:07,360
» Kind of like snow. You can't predict it.
Yeah, it's it's just depends on what

1427
01:57:06,480 --> 01:57:11,840
people are doing.
>> Just got to deal with it. Um questions

1428
01:57:10,080 --> 01:57:14,840
about planning and zoning in terms of
council.

1429
01:57:15,040 --> 01:57:20,800
» The other pay, by the way, the planning
and zoning commission does get paid.

1430
01:57:18,560 --> 01:57:24,800
They just haven't regularly met. Um so
that $800 will be used this year because

1431
01:57:22,639 --> 01:57:29,520
they are meeting quite a bit and next
year.

1432
01:57:27,040 --> 01:57:37,679
» Any questions from
anybody else on planning and zoning?

1433
01:57:34,880 --> 01:57:41,400
Okay, then we can move on to are we
doing municipal next?

1434
01:57:45,119 --> 01:57:53,119
Um
this is our municipal budget. Uh so

1435
01:57:50,960 --> 01:57:57,320
copies, costs and operating supplies are
under this. Um

1436
01:57:57,520 --> 01:58:05,840
we generally have been pretty good about
this category. Um, I would ask that

1437
01:58:03,679 --> 01:58:10,639
council approve the 3000 because I would
like to get more tables up at city hall

1438
01:58:08,080 --> 01:58:16,159
at some point. U, we've had a number of
complaints. Um, some of them broke a few

1439
01:58:13,440 --> 01:58:20,000
years ago. We threw them away.
They were used at a community picnic and

1440
01:58:18,000 --> 01:58:24,800
then never returned.
And so we're down to like eight tables

1441
01:58:22,000 --> 01:58:30,800
total. Um, so that would come kind of
out of this operating supplies budget,

1442
01:58:28,800 --> 01:58:35,119
maintenance and repair supply. You know,
we have to call a plumber every once in

1443
01:58:32,639 --> 01:58:41,679
a while, electrician. Um, it's kind of
the unforeseen. Um, we're asking for

1444
01:58:37,520 --> 01:58:47,840
$1,000 in that category. Um, small tools
and equipment repair 3500 or sorry, 350.

1445
01:58:45,679 --> 01:58:53,520
Read that wrong. Uh, professional
services. Heather, what's in 300 in this

1446
01:58:50,719 --> 01:58:59,440
one? Um, so that is like when our
toilets clogged downstairs and we had to

1447
01:58:55,440 --> 01:59:03,199
call BNR two years in a row. Um, anyone
that comes in

1448
01:59:00,880 --> 01:59:07,599
» when we repaired the HVAC system.
>> Yep.

1449
01:59:06,159 --> 01:59:11,679
» Postage we don't take out of this
category. Most of that is on enterprise

1450
01:59:10,159 --> 01:59:19,040
property insurance. You'll see that
throughout the categories. Um, that is a

1451
01:59:15,199 --> 01:59:23,679
pretty um close number. We do break them
all by category. now um they hadn't been

1452
01:59:21,440 --> 01:59:27,360
so now we are um so you don't see a
reduction in there but that is because

1453
01:59:25,599 --> 01:59:31,800
we worked them out and our property
insurance did go down a little bit this

1454
01:59:28,800 --> 01:59:31,800
year

1455
01:59:32,080 --> 01:59:41,280
um electric utilities you'll notice that
um there's no budget for those so last

1456
01:59:38,880 --> 01:59:46,719
year during the council uh budget
session unless council wishes we stopped

1457
01:59:43,840 --> 01:59:50,880
paying um electric utilities to
ourselves

1458
01:59:49,119 --> 01:59:56,000
which obviously puts strain on the
electric department. So it is accounted

1459
01:59:54,320 --> 01:59:59,000
for somewhere but just not in these
categories.

1460
01:59:59,199 --> 02:00:09,280
Maintenance and building repair. Um
I don't know what that is. Heather, can

1461
02:00:04,800 --> 02:00:15,119
you the 15,000? What did we spend
this year? That's not

1462
02:00:12,880 --> 02:00:19,360
» Oh.
Yeah. Check on that. That just seems

1463
02:00:16,719 --> 02:00:25,440
miskey or something.
Um, rentals. Uh, we on occasion just

1464
02:00:23,679 --> 02:00:31,760
don't have the equipment to do things
and we have to go go rent it. Um, little

1465
02:00:28,800 --> 02:00:35,440
back hose is a great example. Um, the
shredders to take down some of the trees

1466
02:00:33,360 --> 02:00:42,320
by the ponds, that kind of stuff comes
out of here.

1467
02:00:38,719 --> 02:00:44,480
Uh, dues and subscriptions. Um, honestly
Heather's going to have to look that up

1468
02:00:43,440 --> 02:00:50,880
because there's just so many different
ones. Um, and then the miscellaneous

1469
02:00:48,159 --> 02:00:55,280
category under municipal is really where
we, you know, budget for the unforeseen.

1470
02:00:53,520 --> 02:00:58,400
» It's this,
which we got reimbured through MMPA. It

1471
02:00:57,840 --> 02:01:01,920
was
>> Oh, gotcha. The check just hasn't been

1472
02:01:00,480 --> 02:01:06,639
put in. Gotcha.
>> So, the 15,000 was all of the lighting

1473
02:01:04,320 --> 02:01:10,320
upgrades that we did in study hall and
electrical upgrades, but we got

1474
02:01:08,400 --> 02:01:12,239
reimbured.
>> What else did you want to do in

1475
02:01:11,520 --> 02:01:17,840
subscriptions?
>> Dues and subscriptions.

1476
02:01:13,599 --> 02:01:21,360
Minnesota cities, the PO box,
>> LNC, the PO box.

1477
02:01:20,159 --> 02:01:24,480
» That's the only things that are in there
right now.

1478
02:01:21,840 --> 02:01:29,440
» And then you'll also see CC processing
fees. So that $6,000.

1479
02:01:27,040 --> 02:01:33,040
Um, you know, council has voted on this
one way or the other. This is our

1480
02:01:31,199 --> 02:01:37,280
processing fees that come through Zift,
our online provider. Right now, we

1481
02:01:35,440 --> 02:01:42,800
absorb those and we have to account for
them somewhere. Um, so that those

1482
02:01:40,880 --> 02:01:47,040
credit card processing fees are from our
online portal when people pay their

1483
02:01:44,560 --> 02:01:53,280
utility bills. Every year it costs us,
it just depends between seven to $6,000.

1484
02:01:50,480 --> 02:01:57,199
So, um, if council wished, you know, we
could certainly start charging to use

1485
02:01:54,960 --> 02:02:00,880
the portal. Um, but we're we're
honestly,

1486
02:01:59,040 --> 02:02:07,760
um, hoping that people use it more
because postage continues to go up.

1487
02:02:05,119 --> 02:02:13,920
» All right. Um, any questions on this
category council?

1488
02:02:10,639 --> 02:02:16,920
Any questions from the
public?

1489
02:02:18,000 --> 02:02:24,320
» If not, we can move on to
>> we're going to move to police.

1490
02:02:22,960 --> 02:02:27,719
» Yes.
>> Coming soon.

1491
02:02:28,639 --> 02:02:35,920
» Whoops.
And you can pipe in anytime you want cuz

1492
02:02:33,920 --> 02:02:40,960
he manages his budget.
Um, for full-time regular employees, um,

1493
02:02:38,239 --> 02:02:47,119
we're expecting about 431. I will tell
you that is on a high increase. I will

1494
02:02:44,560 --> 02:02:50,960
remind council that it is a union year.
Um, so

1495
02:02:49,119 --> 02:02:57,040
um there are budget negotiations
currently going on between the union and

1496
02:02:53,360 --> 02:03:03,440
council. So that is why we we did budget
high on all wages. Um, but we really

1497
02:02:59,760 --> 02:03:07,679
think that that probably could come down
um part-time employees. So this year

1498
02:03:05,760 --> 02:03:12,880
we've obviously used more part-time than
normal, especially after officer

1499
02:03:09,280 --> 02:03:20,560
Mitchell left. Um we've been filling
that that void. Um especially with our

1500
02:03:17,119 --> 02:03:30,239
great part-time staff that fills in.
Um so we are expecting um to use that um

1501
02:03:25,920 --> 02:03:34,560
or less this upcoming year for 2027.
Uh we'll also be FTLing quite a bit. So

1502
02:03:33,119 --> 02:03:38,840
that first part of the year will
probably need additional staff.

1503
02:03:39,199 --> 02:03:49,199
Um training and instruction. So um I'm
going to zoom down a little bit.

1504
02:03:47,440 --> 02:03:56,560
Oh my gosh, I don't know why it seems
like. So training and instruction uh

1505
02:03:52,159 --> 02:04:00,239
were ex um $7,000.
So we budgeted $7,000 this year and you

1506
02:03:58,800 --> 02:04:05,599
can see it doesn't look like we used any
of it. is because we still rely on

1507
02:04:02,239 --> 02:04:10,639
grants um and reimbursements through the
state of Minnesota to get some of that

1508
02:04:07,679 --> 02:04:17,440
training dollars back. So that 863 is
not a reflection of our total budget of

1509
02:04:14,159 --> 02:04:20,880
actual training that we put in. However,
just like every year that budget is

1510
02:04:19,440 --> 02:04:25,599
always scrutinized at the state of
Minnesota and whether they have it next

1511
02:04:22,560 --> 02:04:30,080
year or not, we do not know. Um kind of
the same song and dance as we had in the

1512
02:04:28,320 --> 02:04:34,960
past.
operating supplies. The police

1513
02:04:31,920 --> 02:04:39,520
department is asking for $5,000.
Is that where?

1514
02:04:37,679 --> 02:04:43,679
» Yes, you're covered.
>> And so this is where his less lethal

1515
02:04:41,679 --> 02:04:49,040
request is from the PowerPoint
presentation earlier tonight, which

1516
02:04:45,280 --> 02:04:53,360
seemed like an eon ago. Um
uh that is where that request is coming

1517
02:04:51,440 --> 02:04:58,639
from and where we put it is an operating
supplies. So, we went from 2500 this

1518
02:04:55,440 --> 02:05:04,239
year to 5,000 and that's that $2,500 ask
from the police department.

1519
02:05:01,119 --> 02:05:10,239
Motor fuels um again
gases go gone up so you know it's

1520
02:05:08,639 --> 02:05:14,159
dependent but we think that we can
really keep it on about $10,000. That's

1521
02:05:12,320 --> 02:05:18,639
been consistent through the last three
years. Um

1522
02:05:16,800 --> 02:05:23,599
minor tools and minor equipment just
things that break we need to fix a

1523
02:05:21,040 --> 02:05:30,960
thousand bucks. professional services.
So, this includes a lot in the police

1524
02:05:26,320 --> 02:05:36,119
department. Um, Axon camera, um, Axon
tasers, the body cameras, Microsoft,

1525
02:05:37,199 --> 02:05:42,000
» your professional services owners,
right?

1526
02:05:39,440 --> 02:05:45,199
» Yeah, because we up Microsoft.
>> What is the total?

1527
02:05:43,040 --> 02:05:51,159
» 49,
$148.

1528
02:05:47,119 --> 02:05:51,159
» Okay, we're just going to put 49,000.

1529
02:05:52,159 --> 02:05:58,880
Um, and so the professional services,
uh, includes their servers, it includes

1530
02:05:57,199 --> 02:06:03,920
all their Microsoft accounts, it
includes, um,

1531
02:06:01,440 --> 02:06:09,199
um, Axon, it includes the body cameras,
all the things that we need to continue

1532
02:06:05,599 --> 02:06:14,639
to operate a police department, phones,
um, just like the rest of us, we have a

1533
02:06:11,599 --> 02:06:18,480
phone bill. Um,
uh, and then we also have a department

1534
02:06:16,560 --> 02:06:24,000
cell phone and cell phone statements are
coming out of here as well.

1535
02:06:20,400 --> 02:06:29,119
Postage. Um, sure. They do some postage
and some certified letters. I would

1536
02:06:26,000 --> 02:06:33,040
probably keep that. Um, travel expenses
for the different conferences. Um,

1537
02:06:31,280 --> 02:06:38,719
they're right on line with their budget.
We budgeted $5,000 last year. Police

1538
02:06:36,079 --> 02:06:44,560
state aid has not come out yet. That
usually comes out in the fall. Um, and

1539
02:06:41,520 --> 02:06:49,679
that is about $50,000 that we received
from the state of Minnesota. Ignore

1540
02:06:46,880 --> 02:06:56,320
2023. That was because we received it
late. That's why it says $100,000.

1541
02:06:53,199 --> 02:07:00,800
Property insurance. So, um the breakdown
of property insurance for police

1542
02:06:57,840 --> 02:07:05,280
department is $15,000.
Maintenance and equipment. Obviously,

1543
02:07:02,719 --> 02:07:11,199
squad cars have quite a bit of
maintenance. Um we hit that budget

1544
02:07:07,679 --> 02:07:16,320
almost every single year of $10,000. The
uniform allowance is 4,000.

1545
02:07:13,840 --> 02:07:19,760
Um the K9 program. So, in the past, we
hadn't been

1546
02:07:18,159 --> 02:07:24,079
um
putting of money into the K9 program.

1547
02:07:21,679 --> 02:07:29,599
They still have money left over. Have to
remind me is it 7,000 so I don't just

1548
02:07:26,159 --> 02:07:34,400
scroll over. We have about $7,000 left
um from the from the fundraising that

1549
02:07:32,480 --> 02:07:39,679
happened
and uh we assume that we're just going

1550
02:07:37,679 --> 02:07:45,679
to start needing to fill some of that
fund. So right now as it looks uh the

1551
02:07:42,800 --> 02:07:50,159
police department is asking for a 10.7%
increase and either Chief Anderson or

1552
02:07:48,560 --> 02:07:53,719
myself can help answer questions about
the budget to council

1553
02:07:54,079 --> 02:08:01,840
» questions for Logan.
>> So can you explain again why the

1554
02:07:58,960 --> 02:08:07,679
professional why is it? Yeah, the
professional services is going from 28

1555
02:08:04,400 --> 02:08:11,440
to 49,000.
That seems like a big

1556
02:08:09,040 --> 02:08:16,960
» Yep. So each and every single cop has
their own Microsoft account and that

1557
02:08:13,920 --> 02:08:23,440
used to be in our fund in the general
spend fund and we moved it to police. So

1558
02:08:20,320 --> 02:08:29,199
um every cop has a full Microsoft suite,
full SSL encryption and an email address

1559
02:08:26,400 --> 02:08:33,679
so that their legal notices and
obviously not public information is

1560
02:08:31,840 --> 02:08:38,239
going through a secure email.
>> So that [clears throat] is a good thing

1561
02:08:34,719 --> 02:08:40,800
that money actually isn't new. It's just
right. actually was reallocated from a

1562
02:08:40,480 --> 02:08:43,760
different
>> That's an important thing to point out

1563
02:08:42,320 --> 02:08:46,400
» because it does make this budget look
like it quite a bit.

1564
02:08:45,040 --> 02:08:50,560
» Same with property insurance. I don't
know if you remember this, but two years

1565
02:08:47,920 --> 02:08:54,400
ago we lumped property insurance and
casualty insurance all in one and we

1566
02:08:52,560 --> 02:08:59,599
broke them all all the departments this
year. So it it looks like all of a

1567
02:08:56,880 --> 02:09:04,320
sudden we're spending more um in
property insurance than we had in years

1568
02:09:02,159 --> 02:09:07,440
past. Uh it's just that we broke them up
by department so that there's a better

1569
02:09:06,400 --> 02:09:12,159
view [clears throat]
on how much they're costing.

1570
02:09:10,159 --> 02:09:16,719
Same with work comp. So the work comp
premium insurance you'll notice that it

1571
02:09:14,960 --> 02:09:22,079
looked really weird. The work comp
premium insurance comes from the LMCIT

1572
02:09:19,199 --> 02:09:27,119
and they're about $38,000 a year but
that is not a new thing. It's just we

1573
02:09:24,159 --> 02:09:30,360
reallocated it from a different account.
>> Thank you.

1574
02:09:30,480 --> 02:09:37,760
» All right. Any more questions from
councel? Anybody else have questions?

1575
02:09:35,599 --> 02:09:44,239
» So, what impact does this have with the
talks with try? What are we looking at

1576
02:09:40,159 --> 02:09:50,639
that would impact this budget at all for
us on that side of it? Are we still

1577
02:09:46,880 --> 02:09:56,440
pursuing the triang where we basic
responses from we haven't heard anything

1578
02:09:52,880 --> 02:09:56,440
back from their council

1579
02:09:56,719 --> 02:10:05,920
» and trial's proposal? But, you know, our
responsibility is to provide police

1580
02:10:02,400 --> 02:10:10,239
services to the city of Wroth. And if
Trieline moves forward, then we could

1581
02:10:08,079 --> 02:10:20,000
look at that. But our our responsibility
for 2026 and possibly 2027 is to follow

1582
02:10:15,520 --> 02:10:26,880
our our plan and our budget and continue
to provide the services that we are.

1583
02:10:22,880 --> 02:10:33,679
» So, what does have to let us know?
>> They have a meeting on Wednesday that

1584
02:10:29,920 --> 02:10:38,079
they're going to discuss that. Um, and
it I don't know which direction they're

1585
02:10:35,920 --> 02:10:42,079
going to go. It's definitely up to their
city council and what they their wishes

1586
02:10:40,159 --> 02:10:49,079
are. So, it's definitely not off the
table. It's definitely not happening

1587
02:10:44,480 --> 02:10:49,079
yet. There's a lot of un

1588
02:10:54,960 --> 02:11:02,800
citizens want to know that factor too.
Are we are we still looking at pursuing

1589
02:10:59,520 --> 02:11:06,639
regardless but given or are we looking
to just remain our police department at

1590
02:11:04,960 --> 02:11:10,079
that
>> I don't think there's been a decision

1591
02:11:08,079 --> 02:11:15,440
either way
I will tell you that we've run numbers

1592
02:11:11,760 --> 02:11:20,599
with Kevin and financially it comes out
even it's not a cost savings

1593
02:11:23,440 --> 02:11:28,400
but that also was not the entire point
of try line I think it's about a safe

1594
02:11:27,599 --> 02:11:31,400
community.
>> Yes.

1595
02:11:33,119 --> 02:11:40,639
» So, and you know, I I would say probably
the important thing to communicate to

1596
02:11:37,920 --> 02:11:46,800
community at large is that whether it's
trial line or it remains with police

1597
02:11:43,360 --> 02:11:54,239
department, um we're still committed to
providing good solid law enforcement and

1598
02:11:50,000 --> 02:11:58,960
protection for the city.
So another way I see it also if I

1599
02:11:56,159 --> 02:12:04,480
understand from the Triine proposal this
budget if Trieline is successful and

1600
02:12:01,360 --> 02:12:09,440
launches for 2027 we'll spend this or
less potentially under that model. Yes.

1601
02:12:07,360 --> 02:12:12,800
Worst case we're covered continuing
operators we are with this proposal

1602
02:12:11,440 --> 02:12:17,920
proposed budget.
>> Exactly.

1603
02:12:14,960 --> 02:12:21,920
» Yeah. Even when it comes to like the
work comp insurance and property

1604
02:12:19,520 --> 02:12:26,480
insurance, it's it's the exact same when
we got quoted from other cities.

1605
02:12:24,480 --> 02:12:29,520
» Really? There could be savings. No,
there's not.

1606
02:12:27,199 --> 02:12:36,639
» Yes. Actually, if if we combined there
would be savings, but some of those

1607
02:12:31,760 --> 02:12:41,520
categories would be the same in in both.
But the proposal, if

1608
02:12:39,199 --> 02:12:45,840
Triline would go through actually, yes,
had substantial savings for all three

1609
02:12:43,760 --> 02:12:50,560
cities.
How was that? Was at the meeting or was

1610
02:12:48,159 --> 02:12:52,639
the numbers? Maybe Logan can explain
this.

1611
02:12:51,280 --> 02:12:57,760
» Yeah, I don't think you were at the
workshop meeting here.

1612
02:12:55,520 --> 02:13:00,000
» Yeah, that thing was that didn't have a
lot of that didn't have a lot of helpful

1613
02:12:59,440 --> 02:13:05,040
information.
>> A lot of the information um can be found

1614
02:13:02,800 --> 02:13:08,159
online, but when we presented the
numbers during our meeting, we

1615
02:13:06,639 --> 02:13:14,159
specifically said that they did not
include any revenue. Um, and

1616
02:13:12,400 --> 02:13:20,079
they that was not presented that way
that night. And it's really unfortunate

1617
02:13:16,480 --> 02:13:23,599
because the long-term lasting budget
effects of continuing to run three

1618
02:13:22,000 --> 02:13:28,480
departments
uh is very

1619
02:13:26,639 --> 02:13:33,040
budget impactful. When we're talking
about replacing squad cars, when we're

1620
02:13:30,320 --> 02:13:37,920
talking about replacing um equipment,
well, we have three contracts right now.

1621
02:13:35,280 --> 02:13:42,800
Three different contracts for cameras.
Three. It's insane. It's the same when

1622
02:13:41,280 --> 02:13:48,159
we talk about fire and ambulance. I
mean, if you guys want real tax savings,

1623
02:13:45,520 --> 02:13:52,960
trialine should have been like trumpeted
throughout the towns. And why why people

1624
02:13:50,880 --> 02:13:58,079
showed up and against trying to save tax
dollars in the future is beyond me. I

1625
02:13:55,599 --> 02:14:03,119
mean, we wor we've worked six months on
try line. We have a pseudo joint powers

1626
02:14:01,040 --> 02:14:07,520
agreement so that council can look at
that. We ran the budget numbers like

1627
02:14:05,440 --> 02:14:13,040
three different times.
That included a $100,000 capex account,

1628
02:14:10,400 --> 02:14:16,480
which didn't even need to be $100,000.
So when people go around saying, "Well,

1629
02:14:14,639 --> 02:14:21,119
there was no savings." Well, without
revenue, without any revenue, we would

1630
02:14:18,960 --> 02:14:26,800
have saved $40,000 right off the bat.
Then you add revenue back in and it's

1631
02:14:22,800 --> 02:14:32,639
almost 100,000 per town. So yes, there
was a cost savings. Unfortunately, it

1632
02:14:28,880 --> 02:14:36,800
was not presented as such.
I went back over some of the meetings

1633
02:14:35,199 --> 02:14:42,880
and
some of the meetings say that we'd have

1634
02:14:38,960 --> 02:14:48,719
24hour coverage in all three cities and
some of them say it's 24 coverage in

1635
02:14:45,840 --> 02:14:52,880
between all of the cities and I'm just
which is it is it are we going to have

1636
02:14:50,639 --> 02:14:57,840
24-hour coverage in Gibbon and at the
same time win and at the same time

1637
02:14:54,639 --> 02:15:01,920
Gaylord or is it 24 coverage between the
three because it's just a cuisine. They

1638
02:14:59,920 --> 02:15:05,320
would have 24 hours between the three.
>> Okay. Thank you.

1639
02:15:05,440 --> 02:15:13,760
» With normally two officers on at a time
>> other than the early morning hours.

1640
02:15:11,040 --> 02:15:20,783
Yeah. Which is which is very common in
law enforcement for the population size

1641
02:15:17,040 --> 02:15:23,679
of roughly 4,500. Um that's
[clears throat]

1642
02:15:21,440 --> 02:15:30,000
just falls into the normal range. And
right now there are gaps in all three

1643
02:15:26,000 --> 02:15:34,079
cities where nobody has 24hour coverage
all the time right now.

1644
02:15:32,320 --> 02:15:38,880
» Yeah. That and that's that's literally
the point of it is you would be doubling

1645
02:15:37,040 --> 02:15:44,079
the amount of coverage in the early
morning hours rather than having one

1646
02:15:40,800 --> 02:15:52,000
deputy cover the entire county in those
early morning hours. if we went to Try

1647
02:15:48,719 --> 02:15:57,360
Line, there would be another officer
working in the county to back them up.

1648
02:15:54,159 --> 02:16:03,760
And that has caused extreme officer
safety issues um that I I don't think is

1649
02:16:01,520 --> 02:16:10,079
acceptable, but um that's where we're
at. And Triline does help that cause to

1650
02:16:07,920 --> 02:16:15,840
looking at officer safety.
It's unfortunate that um that hasn't

1651
02:16:14,320 --> 02:16:22,079
been
talked about enough, but um

1652
02:16:19,599 --> 02:16:28,639
this project not only helps the towns,
it helps everyone around us and our

1653
02:16:25,840 --> 02:16:35,000
officers to stay safe. So I really don't
all the presentations they gave and all

1654
02:16:31,440 --> 02:16:35,000
the the

1655
02:16:37,599 --> 02:16:43,120
» all the all the presentations these guys
gave and all the meetings that were

1656
02:16:41,599 --> 02:16:47,840
attended. I don't think anybody went
into that. Not anybody. There's a lot of

1657
02:16:45,359 --> 02:16:53,920
people that did go in open-minded.
>> It was a power struggle. It was no

1658
02:16:52,000 --> 02:16:58,000
saving money.
I don't I don't want to do that,

1659
02:16:56,080 --> 02:17:02,639
shopping.
>> Yeah. I mean, that's the whole point of

1660
02:17:00,000 --> 02:17:04,000
it, right? That we're trying to be
creative,

1661
02:17:03,280 --> 02:17:09,200
» correct?
>> And and get the the service that we all

1662
02:17:07,599 --> 02:17:14,240
deserve
and we have to

1663
02:17:11,840 --> 02:17:20,559
» we have to actually start having real
conversations about um

1664
02:17:18,479 --> 02:17:25,120
» what what do we want because, you know,
there's talks. If you want county

1665
02:17:22,639 --> 02:17:31,840
coverage, yeah, we can certainly go to
county go to county coverage. Um, but

1666
02:17:28,479 --> 02:17:35,359
what do you lose from that? Um,
a lot

1667
02:17:32,319 --> 02:17:39,439
» county coverage is not the answer.
>> I can tell you from the citizens that

1668
02:17:36,880 --> 02:17:44,399
I've talked to, they do not want to see
a county coverage only because of the

1669
02:17:42,479 --> 02:17:49,200
fact that you have to pay for the amount
of time that that officer will cover

1670
02:17:46,399 --> 02:17:54,800
that area. meaning that you are exposed
with a large gap if you're not willing

1671
02:17:51,599 --> 02:17:56,800
to pay for that officer for the majority
of your

1672
02:17:55,439 --> 02:18:03,040
» you're going to have an officer come in
here and take them if I call 911 and

1673
02:18:01,120 --> 02:18:08,960
I've got something going on at my house.
First of all, we have no idea where the

1674
02:18:05,280 --> 02:18:14,479
deputy's going to be and 25 years at
Sibly County. Uh, well, I suppose I

1675
02:18:12,479 --> 02:18:18,399
better go do my hour in Green Isle or I
better go do my time in New Auburn. So,

1676
02:18:16,880 --> 02:18:24,639
now it's going to be I suppose I better
go do my hour in Winthrop.

1677
02:18:21,519 --> 02:18:29,120
I don't care which citizens are wanting
county coverage is doesn't does not

1678
02:18:26,960 --> 02:18:33,599
work.
>> The danger is the drug problem.

1679
02:18:31,040 --> 02:18:36,160
» The danger is Yes. Where are they coming
from?

1680
02:18:34,080 --> 02:18:40,240
» What they don't what the majority of the
population doesn't understand.

1681
02:18:37,920 --> 02:18:44,639
» Correct. Where you have a gap in police
coverage, police presence. Presence

1682
02:18:42,399 --> 02:18:47,519
means more than anything else.
>> Absolutely.

1683
02:18:45,280 --> 02:18:51,760
» Where you don't have that presence is
where the drugs are going to move.

1684
02:18:49,679 --> 02:18:54,960
That's where they're going to happen.
>> Medelia, Minnesota.

1685
02:18:52,960 --> 02:18:57,519
» Medelia, Minnesota.
>> I almost hate to say it's even closer

1686
02:18:56,960 --> 02:19:00,319
than that.
>> Well, I'm saying that they lost their

1687
02:18:58,960 --> 02:19:02,719
police department and now they're
finding out what it's like to have

1688
02:19:01,679 --> 02:19:07,200
county coverage.
>> You only need to look at new

1689
02:19:04,080 --> 02:19:10,399
» county coverage does not work.
It's just a different type of policing.

1690
02:19:09,120 --> 02:19:14,880
We're not saying that the sheriff's
office is bad or doesn't do a good job.

1691
02:19:13,200 --> 02:19:21,599
What we're saying is that it's a
different type of law enforcement and

1692
02:19:17,920 --> 02:19:26,719
they want to do deputy things. That's
what they signed up to do. Um, and if

1693
02:19:24,880 --> 02:19:31,679
you think that going, if anyone thinks
that going to county coverage is the

1694
02:19:28,240 --> 02:19:36,080
right option, um, well, then the
sheriff's office is also going to have a

1695
02:19:33,359 --> 02:19:39,519
crisis on their hands of losing deputies
because deputies didn't sign up to be

1696
02:19:37,760 --> 02:19:42,719
town cops and sit in the town all day
long and do ordinances.

1697
02:19:41,439 --> 02:19:48,479
» First of all, they're not going to do
ordinances. So, there's a lot that goes

1698
02:19:46,080 --> 02:19:54,319
into this that I think maybe now is a a
good time to talk about. Um, but the the

1699
02:19:52,000 --> 02:19:59,280
ones that have lived this, Heather was a
dispatcher in Mloud County, I was a a

1700
02:19:56,399 --> 02:20:02,080
deputy in Mloud County. Um, the love and
care that you get from your police

1701
02:20:00,640 --> 02:20:06,080
department is not there for county
coverage. So,

1702
02:20:03,359 --> 02:20:11,040
» plus the current, excuse me, is, you
know, staffed, but they can cover their

1703
02:20:09,200 --> 02:20:16,000
responsibilities right now. They don't
have staff to take on coverage in the

1704
02:20:14,399 --> 02:20:20,640
city. Exactly. You know, you look at the
cost of hiring an officer and outfitting

1705
02:20:18,720 --> 02:20:24,800
them and field training and all the
things that you have to do. The the cost

1706
02:20:22,880 --> 02:20:28,720
of that would be
>> that falls back on the city then too.

1707
02:20:26,800 --> 02:20:31,600
And and you get no return on your
investment

1708
02:20:29,359 --> 02:20:34,080
» and we would have no control over that.
>> Yeah.

1709
02:20:32,479 --> 02:20:36,720
» Okay. That interrupt, but I don't want
to be here tonight.

1710
02:20:34,720 --> 02:20:40,080
» I know we're only halfway through.
>> Okay.

1711
02:20:38,399 --> 02:20:44,479
» Any other questions about police or
police?

1712
02:20:42,319 --> 02:20:50,319
» We should have served coffee. It went
well over two minutes. I'm just

1713
02:20:46,479 --> 02:20:55,359
» um so civil defense sounds um like we
have tanks rolling in Winthrop, but it's

1714
02:20:52,240 --> 02:20:58,720
not. It's it's mostly our sirens. Um
they we do have a contract each year

1715
02:20:56,960 --> 02:21:03,359
that we have to pay. Uh they come and
test them. They make sure they work.

1716
02:21:01,600 --> 02:21:06,960
We always put $1,000 in there. It
usually covers it. As you can see,

1717
02:21:04,720 --> 02:21:10,880
sometimes we go over. In 2023, we
actually had to replace one of our

1718
02:21:08,080 --> 02:21:14,960
sirens. the box. I'm sorry that the
siren

1719
02:21:12,479 --> 02:21:19,600
um but but it normally evens out. So
$1,000 is what we're recommending.

1720
02:21:16,960 --> 02:21:20,960
» It's 15.
>> What?

1721
02:21:20,080 --> 02:21:26,560
» It's 1500.
>> We're recommending 1500.

1722
02:21:23,120 --> 02:21:30,720
» I don't know what file that is close
>> streets. Um so those alleyway

1723
02:21:29,200 --> 02:21:34,359
approaches. Whoops. I'm sorry that's
really small for everyone.

1724
02:21:35,680 --> 02:21:43,280
The workers compensation insurance, just
so you know. not a new

1725
02:21:40,720 --> 02:21:50,567
» category. It's just we reallocated it to
streets. Um Oh my gosh.

1726
02:21:48,548 --> 02:21:50,567
[laughter]

1727
02:21:52,640 --> 02:21:58,160
» Um
>> so streets is also recommending this is

1728
02:21:56,160 --> 02:22:03,200
where we put the alleyway restructure.
Um so in that 224 category, the street

1729
02:22:01,120 --> 02:22:08,960
maintenance materials. So that would
include this year the

1730
02:22:06,960 --> 02:22:14,479
um seal coating and the alleyway
replacement. So whether you know it's

1731
02:22:11,760 --> 02:22:18,240
this year or next year um we can we can
certainly dial that down and not do

1732
02:22:16,240 --> 02:22:21,920
alley replacements and try to do gravel
again. I'm just letting you know that

1733
02:22:20,800 --> 02:22:26,160
citizens have brought it to our
attention and that's why we added it. Um

1734
02:22:24,399 --> 02:22:33,840
operating supplies, they usually stay
within about $4,000. Uh when it comes to

1735
02:22:28,800 --> 02:22:36,960
fuel, um uh the reason that 2024 was so
high is actually we put a fuel barrel

1736
02:22:35,520 --> 02:22:42,319
in. I don't know if you guys remember
that. Um so we actually allocated that

1737
02:22:39,280 --> 02:22:47,359
in there and supplies [clears throat] um
operating supplies and it has actually

1738
02:22:45,200 --> 02:22:52,960
saved us quite a bit of money. Um and we
also don't have to deal um with outages

1739
02:22:49,840 --> 02:22:59,040
at gas station. Shop supplies $2,000.
Again, that's like tools, normal like

1740
02:22:55,840 --> 02:23:03,439
shovels, etc.
Um, I don't know if you want me to go

1741
02:23:02,160 --> 02:23:08,240
through anything else. Everything else
is pretty much the same. That 32.4%

1742
02:23:06,560 --> 02:23:13,960
increase is really coming from the
alleyways and the maintenance on alley.

1743
02:23:10,960 --> 02:23:13,960
So,

1744
02:23:14,160 --> 02:23:18,040
» any questions about that.

1745
02:23:18,640 --> 02:23:25,200
So, what would it cost to do one alley
or two alleys?

1746
02:23:23,520 --> 02:23:31,520
» Um, depending on the like the width of
the alley based on concrete, it's about

1747
02:23:27,359 --> 02:23:33,920
$15,000 per apron
>> is what we figured.

1748
02:23:32,640 --> 02:23:37,600
» So, we were thinking this would
approximately three.

1749
02:23:35,120 --> 02:23:42,920
» It would do approximately three. Yeah.
>> Plus, we would still do sealing next

1750
02:23:39,920 --> 02:23:42,920
year.

1751
02:23:43,359 --> 02:23:50,760
» Sure.
>> So, we could cut back one and two out.

1752
02:23:47,359 --> 02:23:50,760
You sure could.

1753
02:23:51,120 --> 02:23:57,680
» I hope nobody wrecks their car.
>> I hope nobody wrecks their car.

1754
02:23:55,840 --> 02:24:02,160
» I mean, some of them are pretty bad. I
mean, I went through them this on Friday

1755
02:23:59,520 --> 02:24:07,120
or Thursday. And uh, you know,
>> if you look at this over the years, too.

1756
02:24:04,479 --> 02:24:10,560
I mean, we have spent we cut that pretty
substantially last year when we were

1757
02:24:08,800 --> 02:24:14,000
trying to trim the budget. And that's
one of those things, too. We can It's

1758
02:24:12,560 --> 02:24:18,640
looks like an easy way to save some
money right now, but it that is not

1759
02:24:17,280 --> 02:24:22,479
Yeah, we're going to feel it.
>> And you have to start somewhere. Kind of

1760
02:24:20,800 --> 02:24:25,600
like sidewalk replacement, like you have
to start somewhere, which we haven't

1761
02:24:24,080 --> 02:24:30,720
even talked about, but it's been a comp
plan since 2008. And I

1762
02:24:29,280 --> 02:24:35,280
» it was kind of like the city. The guy I
talked to, I forget where it was. Um he

1763
02:24:32,960 --> 02:24:39,760
he was a council member in a city in the
metro area. They replaced every single

1764
02:24:37,040 --> 02:24:44,319
street in their city in 1971. Every
single one. Think about how old those

1765
02:24:42,000 --> 02:24:50,960
are now. They were all failing at the
same time. So the message to take from

1766
02:24:47,600 --> 02:24:54,319
that is maybe we should think about you
know replacing a few every

1767
02:24:53,260 --> 02:24:58,319
[clears throat] year so that we don't
run into those sorts of what do we do

1768
02:24:57,359 --> 02:25:05,080
moments.
>> So does council wish to reduce the

1769
02:25:01,120 --> 02:25:05,080
street materials the alleyways

1770
02:25:07,840 --> 02:25:14,920
» I think I
know

1771
02:25:11,520 --> 02:25:14,920
» and one

1772
02:25:15,359 --> 02:25:24,680
We figure that street materials um when
it comes to paving uh and seal coating

1773
02:25:20,800 --> 02:25:24,680
next year will be about 35,000.

1774
02:25:28,000 --> 02:25:32,880
» Can we leave it in there for tonight?
But know that that might be we want to

1775
02:25:31,600 --> 02:25:34,399
discuss.
>> Okay.

1776
02:25:33,680 --> 02:25:38,319
» Yeah.
>> All right. That's good.

1777
02:25:35,200 --> 02:25:44,080
» Um any other questions on streets from
council?

1778
02:25:39,840 --> 02:25:48,280
Anybody else? Questions about streets?
Okay, we can move on.

1779
02:25:48,479 --> 02:25:55,200
» Making our way through.
>> Making our way.

1780
02:25:52,399 --> 02:26:00,560
» Okay.
>> Yeah. So, snow uh snow is one of those

1781
02:25:58,880 --> 02:26:06,000
categories
that we just don't know. So, we had a

1782
02:26:03,280 --> 02:26:12,160
lot of snow this last winter. we had a
lot of overtime um in the end of 25

1783
02:26:09,840 --> 02:26:19,120
going into 26
um and then in January February is when

1784
02:26:14,399 --> 02:26:22,720
we got more snow. So, um, this is one of
those categories that council kept

1785
02:26:20,640 --> 02:26:27,120
cutting and then we didn't really use I
mean 24 25 we really didn't have a lot

1786
02:26:24,640 --> 02:26:34,000
of snow it we just didn't use the snow
plows but then when we do man do we and

1787
02:26:31,120 --> 02:26:37,840
um so it it's our recommendation to keep
it at 15,000 but again

1788
02:26:36,319 --> 02:26:42,880
» based on trend you could probably lower
it a little bit. The other thing is the

1789
02:26:40,880 --> 02:26:47,840
maintenance uh machines and repairs
equipment

1790
02:26:44,399 --> 02:26:52,720
which is 404 on the list. Um we're
upping that a little bit. We need some

1791
02:26:49,600 --> 02:26:59,120
new blades um and some um regular
operating supplies uh in that category.

1792
02:26:56,240 --> 02:27:02,640
Uh rentals
for snow.

1793
02:27:00,720 --> 02:27:06,479
» That's housing the equipment.
>> Yes, we so we pay to house some of the

1794
02:27:05,120 --> 02:27:10,520
equipment because we don't have room in
our own barns. So,

1795
02:27:11,120 --> 02:27:14,920
» all right. Questions?

1796
02:27:15,439 --> 02:27:21,359
» And again, that increase is coming from
new uh new plates for the

1797
02:27:20,240 --> 02:27:24,080
» and snowfall.
>> And the snow is the 18,000 that we put

1798
02:27:23,760 --> 02:27:27,760
in.
>> I don't think we mentioned that. It was

1799
02:27:25,600 --> 02:27:31,840
in small print um in the original slide
on that request that the current one

1800
02:27:30,000 --> 02:27:34,880
doesn't have heat.
>> Correct.

1801
02:27:32,399 --> 02:27:39,280
» Um this one did have heat. I I did an
error. It was the other 1970 that did

1802
02:27:37,359 --> 02:27:42,800
have heat. This one does have heat.
>> That's

1803
02:27:40,800 --> 02:27:47,040
» I updated that my slide, but yes, it
did. It does. It does have heat.

1804
02:27:45,439 --> 02:27:50,960
» It still had an electrical fire, but
this one has heat.

1805
02:27:49,760 --> 02:27:56,160
» That's reassuring.
>> Yeah, they're not.

1806
02:27:53,760 --> 02:28:00,240
» Any other questions about the snow
budget?

1807
02:27:57,600 --> 02:28:05,359
» And if you got rid of if you got rid of
the 18,000, it reduces it quite a bit.

1808
02:28:02,800 --> 02:28:09,439
So, that's just something to to think
about

1809
02:28:07,280 --> 02:28:14,319
and you could maybe ask around and see
if someone has a rental for us for a

1810
02:28:11,520 --> 02:28:17,760
year or two, but
I'm just giving you options,

1811
02:28:15,600 --> 02:28:21,120
» right? But then with the rental you do
run into, is the downtown going to be

1812
02:28:20,160 --> 02:28:26,319
cleared
>> for businesses there and that is service

1813
02:28:24,240 --> 02:28:30,080
too.
>> Okay. Do we want to move on from

1814
02:28:28,160 --> 02:28:33,760
» Yeah. Any other questions, comments,
concerns?

1815
02:28:32,160 --> 02:28:40,240
What is snow hauler? Is it different
than a dump truck?

1816
02:28:37,200 --> 02:28:43,840
» It's like a dump truck. Yes, it is a
dump truck.

1817
02:28:41,840 --> 02:28:48,160
» We would prefer a side load, but it
doesn't really matter to us. It just

1818
02:28:45,920 --> 02:28:54,000
hauls the snow away
from downtown. We blow it in to it and

1819
02:28:51,120 --> 02:28:58,560
then it hauls it away.
>> Is there a way to look at what the cost

1820
02:28:55,840 --> 02:29:03,280
would be to hire out the trucks, the
company?

1821
02:29:00,319 --> 02:29:09,040
We did Gaylord sanitation and I forget
the other company. Um, you know, there's

1822
02:29:06,479 --> 02:29:13,920
a cost to that of about $10,000 a year
just depending. The other problem is is

1823
02:29:11,520 --> 02:29:17,600
that if they're also busy or if it's
during a holiday, sometimes they just

1824
02:29:15,520 --> 02:29:20,560
aren't going to show up. Like Christmas
Eve, it snowed this last year, they

1825
02:29:19,439 --> 02:29:23,520
won't been here.
>> You know what I mean? Um I think

1826
02:29:22,800 --> 02:29:27,920
Arlington
>> I was going to say

1827
02:29:24,560 --> 02:29:31,520
» does this they they rent
>> and hire out most so and it's like

1828
02:29:30,399 --> 02:29:34,399
30,000
>> it was huge

1829
02:29:32,880 --> 02:29:37,640
» it was a very large expense
>> pretty expensive

1830
02:29:38,640 --> 02:29:45,280
» and that's the company we check but I
can't remember their name right now okay

1831
02:29:42,319 --> 02:29:50,000
so sweetie
um this budget really has not changed uh

1832
02:29:48,000 --> 02:29:56,000
we put some money into it a couple years
ago we had Um just minor welding

1833
02:29:52,960 --> 02:30:00,240
modifications. Again, it I mean on the
pieces of material that are super

1834
02:29:57,439 --> 02:30:07,200
important. This one's more cosmetic and
minimum maintenance. So I mean it's

1835
02:30:02,640 --> 02:30:10,560
still running at about $6,300 a year.
>> Any questions?

1836
02:30:09,680 --> 02:30:14,880
» Moving on.
>> All right.

1837
02:30:11,359 --> 02:30:20,560
» Okay. Um,
so parks budget is u there's a lot in

1838
02:30:17,600 --> 02:30:24,319
here that could be erased or council
decision. Uh, the parking lot request

1839
02:30:23,040 --> 02:30:26,659
I'm going to start from the bottom. Is
that okay? Because that's where the

1840
02:30:25,280 --> 02:30:29,200
requests are. The boulevard
[clears throat] tree the tree

1841
02:30:27,520 --> 02:30:34,160
replacement again if the DNR comes
through I think we can get about $40,000

1842
02:30:31,520 --> 02:30:40,800
anyway. Um, I know given just received
theirs. Um, that would take $25,000 off

1843
02:30:38,240 --> 02:30:45,280
the bottom line. The capital outlay is
the parking lot request to start redoing

1844
02:30:43,600 --> 02:30:49,600
that again. We would do kind of like a
half and half. We would do the entrance

1845
02:30:47,760 --> 02:30:54,560
and all the way back to the light poles
and then stop for a year or two and then

1846
02:30:51,680 --> 02:30:58,240
do the remainder. Um but I think the
point is that we're going to have to do

1847
02:30:55,840 --> 02:31:02,160
something at some point.
Um

1848
02:31:00,160 --> 02:31:08,319
» especially since the traffic in the park
is not getting less,

1849
02:31:06,160 --> 02:31:12,880
» right? Yeah. And then the request from
Farm City Funfest is $20,000. I just

1850
02:31:11,280 --> 02:31:18,240
updated that. It's updated in your
packet. I think

1851
02:31:15,280 --> 02:31:23,600
we put it under the rentals uh because
that's where the tent and part uh porta

1852
02:31:20,560 --> 02:31:29,359
botties come out of during farm 75 fest.
Um I can zoom in. Sorry.

1853
02:31:26,960 --> 02:31:35,520
And so that is one of those things where
if you deem it necessary, we can

1854
02:31:32,319 --> 02:31:40,240
certainly go with that.
minor repairs and equipment. Um, I will

1855
02:31:38,479 --> 02:31:43,439
tell you that some of our lawnmowers are
getting a little bit older. They have a

1856
02:31:41,359 --> 02:31:50,800
lot of miles on them. They're going to
need some new repairs, just new blades,

1857
02:31:46,160 --> 02:31:56,080
normal stuff this upcoming year.
Operating supplies. Um, again, uh,

1858
02:31:54,080 --> 02:32:04,080
chemicals for the splash pad is coming
out of here. The permit is coming out of

1859
02:31:58,720 --> 02:32:08,240
here. Um, we opt this because obviously
we're going to have more chemicals. The

1860
02:32:05,680 --> 02:32:11,439
bathroom cleaning is more important. Um,
you're going to have more operating

1861
02:32:09,280 --> 02:32:17,680
supplies.
Motor fuel, that's just lawnmowers and

1862
02:32:13,920 --> 02:32:22,160
well, reips and such is about $4,500 per
year. You could go a little bit lower.

1863
02:32:20,080 --> 02:32:29,920
We didn't spend all of that last year,
the last two years.

1864
02:32:25,040 --> 02:32:37,760
Any questions, comments, concerns?
um the request from the chamber for Farm

1865
02:32:34,800 --> 02:32:44,319
City Funfest. Um I I mean Farm City
Funfest is a fantastic coming together

1866
02:32:40,800 --> 02:32:49,520
community thing. Do we have any idea
what how the chamber comes out on that?

1867
02:32:46,960 --> 02:32:53,600
Is it a money-making thing for them? Is
it a is it one of those things where

1868
02:32:51,840 --> 02:33:03,880
every organization just throws a lot of
money into it and we all spend share the

1869
02:32:58,000 --> 02:33:03,880
expenses? Is that my question clear?

1870
02:33:06,240 --> 02:33:11,920
» It's clear.
>> Okay,

1871
02:33:08,960 --> 02:33:14,800
» Crystal.
>> Yes, I can check on that. Sorry, I was

1872
02:33:14,080 --> 02:33:18,080
it.
>> Okay. I I think that would be helpful

1873
02:33:17,120 --> 02:33:22,000
information.
>> Yeah. So, if they were making $14,000

1874
02:33:20,720 --> 02:33:24,800
off of it, but we're just really
subsidizing it. Is it

1875
02:33:23,680 --> 02:33:27,120
» Yes. Okay.
>> I think that's

1876
02:33:25,520 --> 02:33:29,359
» I can definitely check. I'm on that
committee, but I'm not on the chamber,

1877
02:33:28,399 --> 02:33:33,359
so I don't
>> Oh,

1878
02:33:29,680 --> 02:33:37,760
» I don't look at financial. I don't know.
>> Um, other questions from council?

1879
02:33:36,399 --> 02:33:41,600
» Nope.
>> Like I said, the parks committee, the

1880
02:33:39,520 --> 02:33:44,319
park and the tree budget like could
really swing one way or the other

1881
02:33:43,359 --> 02:33:48,560
depending on the grant.
>> Let's hope for the grant. Um questions

1882
02:33:47,280 --> 02:33:54,160
from anybody else? Yes.
>> So with the pork tree that um would like

1883
02:33:52,479 --> 02:33:58,800
the fruit trees be something that begin
like looking to more as an option versus

1884
02:33:56,240 --> 02:34:01,120
like ash trees stuff like that. Um I
guess one you can do a lot of things

1885
02:34:00,000 --> 02:34:04,080
with it especially like with apple
trees. If we're talking about being

1886
02:34:02,800 --> 02:34:07,600
serious about putting a community garden
together any apples that fall off are

1887
02:34:05,840 --> 02:34:12,240
not good quality are something that can
easily go to community garden

1888
02:34:10,080 --> 02:34:16,399
right composting. All you really need is
just mulch leaves. That's it. you throw

1889
02:34:15,120 --> 02:34:21,200
that in to get your moisture, get your
nitrogen. Um, but then it's also getting

1890
02:34:19,520 --> 02:34:24,479
excess can go to the food pantries
around here. I mean, it's not something

1891
02:34:23,600 --> 02:34:27,520
that you [clears throat] need in say
Minnesota either to have like a license

1892
02:34:26,000 --> 02:34:31,680
to even sell like those additional
apples. They can just be given away

1893
02:34:29,520 --> 02:34:34,800
because they're not like they're not a
ingredient. They're an ingredient item,

1894
02:34:33,280 --> 02:34:37,680
but they're not an altered ingredient
item. So, let's make an apple pie. Now,

1895
02:34:36,399 --> 02:34:41,040
it's an altered ingredient.
>> Sure.

1896
02:34:38,240 --> 02:34:47,840
» Um, could that be something that we look
into? Um, and is that is an option. I

1897
02:34:45,680 --> 02:34:52,240
mean, can we donate
because like I know cheeseburger being

1898
02:34:49,600 --> 02:34:55,920
could be an option for the park. I'd be
happy to donate a couple.

1899
02:34:54,640 --> 02:35:00,880
» Well, I know one of the things that
everybody talks about in replacing trees

1900
02:34:57,920 --> 02:35:04,160
is variety. Nobody wants to do we we
don't want to do the oh, we've cut down

1901
02:35:02,640 --> 02:35:08,319
all the Dutch elm trees, so let's put up
ash tree or put in ash trees and then we

1902
02:35:06,160 --> 02:35:14,319
cut down all the ash trees. So, yeah,
everything all the guidance is a lot of

1903
02:35:11,120 --> 02:35:18,399
variety. So, I I don't know. I think I
think that would be worth checking the

1904
02:35:16,399 --> 02:35:21,680
park committee.
>> Will that add maintenance or budget

1905
02:35:20,160 --> 02:35:24,240
though? Because we're still going to
need people.

1906
02:35:22,800 --> 02:35:27,361
» I will just say I'm not planning to buy
a splash path. [laughter]

1907
02:35:27,920 --> 02:35:33,200
» You you'd be surprised though. I mean
like one apple tree for instance, I mean

1908
02:35:31,600 --> 02:35:35,840
easily provides for an entire community
with how many they

1909
02:35:34,720 --> 02:35:38,640
» I think if you were going to do that
you'd want [laughter] so that it was

1910
02:35:37,520 --> 02:35:42,800
easier to maintain.
>> Yeah. be something you'd want one of one

1911
02:35:42,160 --> 02:35:45,120
corner
>> or maybe like in the community if we got

1912
02:35:44,399 --> 02:35:49,520
the community garden,
>> right? Like that would

1913
02:35:48,479 --> 02:35:54,120
» Yeah.
>> So you don't want it's very very

1914
02:35:54,479 --> 02:35:59,840
trees.
>> Yes.

1915
02:35:57,439 --> 02:36:02,720
» All right. Um other questions about
parks.

1916
02:36:02,240 --> 02:36:06,399
Yes.
>> Is there an option to treat some of the

1917
02:36:04,319 --> 02:36:10,880
ash trees or have we looked at we
consider

1918
02:36:07,920 --> 02:36:12,479
» I think it's pretty expensive and not
>> it's not very effective.

1919
02:36:12,080 --> 02:36:16,080
» No.
>> Um

1920
02:36:14,240 --> 02:36:23,680
a lot of arborists won't even do it
anymore because it's become so invasive.

1921
02:36:19,359 --> 02:36:29,120
Um the DNR grant does approve like if we
have a really important ash tree at a

1922
02:36:25,280 --> 02:36:33,680
corner or something, they do approve um
in the grant they approve treatment of

1923
02:36:31,439 --> 02:36:37,439
the tree, but you have to do it every
>> Oh, it's a lot. My sister's got a couple

1924
02:36:35,680 --> 02:36:41,600
that really shade her house and they're
trying very hard to keep them, but

1925
02:36:38,720 --> 02:36:44,960
they've spent thousands of dollars to
keep those trees.

1926
02:36:42,560 --> 02:36:47,960
» Yeah, it's very expensive.
>> Yeah.

1927
02:36:48,640 --> 02:36:53,600
How do we want to keep most of these
figures for now?

1928
02:36:52,000 --> 02:36:55,040
» We sure can. And then we can revisit
them.

1929
02:36:53,920 --> 02:36:59,840
» Yeah, I think that's
>> especially the

1930
02:36:57,040 --> 02:37:08,800
» Yes.
>> Um EDA is all um

1931
02:37:05,359 --> 02:37:12,800
about the same. I will tell you that um
if you actually look at the totals from

1932
02:37:10,560 --> 02:37:17,840
2425
um you'll notice that the EDA uh really

1933
02:37:15,840 --> 02:37:24,240
hadn't been spending a ton of money and
asking for public dollars. Um and then

1934
02:37:20,399 --> 02:37:27,280
in 2026 uh obviously we helped fund um
Gunner's restaurant which is

1935
02:37:25,680 --> 02:37:32,000
operational.
Um that was a pretty big investment. We

1936
02:37:29,920 --> 02:37:38,880
own half that building along with the
bank. Um, so we're asking to start um

1937
02:37:37,280 --> 02:37:43,520
putting
money back into that revolving bond fun

1938
02:37:40,560 --> 02:37:48,479
bond and we're asking for $40,000.
We're also asking for CEDA to come in if

1939
02:37:46,080 --> 02:37:54,560
you guys remember that conversation. Um,
and that's $15,000 a year from us given

1940
02:37:51,520 --> 02:37:58,080
and Fairfax. It's a $45,000 contract a
year. The first year will be covered by

1941
02:37:56,720 --> 02:38:04,319
the Southern Minnesota Initiative
Foundation grant. Um but the 2027 budget

1942
02:38:01,520 --> 02:38:10,240
which we'll start paying for uh will not
be covered. So we will need a little bit

1943
02:38:06,160 --> 02:38:15,120
of um funding for that.
Um the facade grant program has been

1944
02:38:12,560 --> 02:38:19,359
pretty popular uh in the first year and
then nothing in the second year. We're

1945
02:38:17,200 --> 02:38:23,120
asking it to be funded to $15,000.
Again,

1946
02:38:21,359 --> 02:38:28,000
a lot of them have been corrected, uh,
but not all of them downtown, and we

1947
02:38:24,880 --> 02:38:33,439
keep sending that up to businesses. Um,
if they, if council wanted to cut that,

1948
02:38:29,760 --> 02:38:41,040
I think it could be cut.
>> I think the, um, CEDA and, you know, the

1949
02:38:37,840 --> 02:38:46,319
revolving loan fund, it's it's hard to
overstate how important that can be for

1950
02:38:44,080 --> 02:38:50,880
small businesses.
there there aren't a lot of resources

1951
02:38:48,240 --> 02:38:56,479
around here. Our a lot of counties
provide economic development. Um Sibly

1952
02:38:54,160 --> 02:39:01,200
County doesn't doesn't do much at all.
So it it has fallen more to the cities

1953
02:38:58,560 --> 02:39:04,640
and um there's you know it's not even
always a main street business. It might

1954
02:39:02,960 --> 02:39:10,640
be somebody wanting to run a business
from their home or um you know something

1955
02:39:07,840 --> 02:39:14,960
that you don't necessarily see um as
you're driving down the street, but

1956
02:39:11,920 --> 02:39:22,760
those all have a real impact um on our
community and you know potentially bring

1957
02:39:16,880 --> 02:39:22,760
in jobs and other good things.

1958
02:39:24,399 --> 02:39:30,520
Um questions from council on EDA

1959
02:39:34,160 --> 02:39:40,800
Do you think there's any interest on the
for the facade grants?

1960
02:39:37,840 --> 02:39:44,240
» I don't think so. I I mean, we've mailed
them out like two years in a row and I

1961
02:39:42,560 --> 02:39:49,359
haven't The last one that did it, I
think was a longer and that we haven't

1962
02:39:47,200 --> 02:39:55,399
really heard anything.
Sometimes it's okay to let for ramps die

1963
02:39:50,960 --> 02:39:55,399
for a while and then come back to them.

1964
02:39:57,120 --> 02:40:02,240
» Did it come up? Did EDA discuss that as
part of their

1965
02:40:00,560 --> 02:40:06,080
» We're going to just discuss it again
this upcoming month.

1966
02:40:03,600 --> 02:40:09,760
» Okay. Do we want to leave it in for now
until we get feedback from EDA or do you

1967
02:40:07,680 --> 02:40:13,120
want to take it out?
>> I would say just to leave it in until we

1968
02:40:11,439 --> 02:40:17,520
talk to ED. But I think Yeah, I think
that'd be a good conversation to have,

1969
02:40:14,720 --> 02:40:23,240
you know, with EDA.
Okay. Anything else in the EDA proposal

1970
02:40:24,319 --> 02:40:30,200
council? Any other questions? Anybody?
Anybody else?

1971
02:40:31,040 --> 02:40:35,280
» Nothing. I don't want to move forward.
>> This is the last category.

1972
02:40:34,479 --> 02:40:40,000
» Oh, yay.
>> I know. So, um,

1973
02:40:39,439 --> 02:40:42,399
when it comes
>> I'm not enjoying spending time with

1974
02:40:41,359 --> 02:40:47,680
them. [laughter]
I was getting close to my bed.

1975
02:40:44,000 --> 02:40:53,359
» Um, me too. So, the wages and salaries
we kept the same this year, I'm not

1976
02:40:50,319 --> 02:40:58,720
going to say it, but there has been less
calls recently. I know.

1977
02:40:56,800 --> 02:41:01,680
You guys are so superstitious. Okay.
>> Because it's true.

1978
02:40:59,520 --> 02:41:06,640
» It's not true. Okay. So, anyway, so
we're keeping that the same. Education

1979
02:41:03,840 --> 02:41:12,720
and training we kept at $7,000. Supplies
and operating we pretty much kept the

1980
02:41:08,399 --> 02:41:19,680
same. That um airbag nozzle and cribbing
uh request from Adam the fire chief is

1981
02:41:16,000 --> 02:41:24,560
$15,000. That's the thing that's really
um going to get a little bit more

1982
02:41:21,680 --> 02:41:30,160
expensive.
Um, which one else went up? Professional

1983
02:41:27,920 --> 02:41:36,880
services. So, professional services
again that Microsoft account um goes up.

1984
02:41:34,080 --> 02:41:39,840
What else is in fires? Uh, Heather, not
to put you on the spot.

1985
02:41:37,920 --> 02:41:42,319
» Uh, for professional services.
>> Yeah.

1986
02:41:40,319 --> 02:41:48,720
» Sorry, I was copying over.
>> That's okay. I'll go on. So, we also do

1987
02:41:45,040 --> 02:41:54,640
contract fees uh in fire. So, there's
some revenue. Uh we take in about

1988
02:41:51,280 --> 02:41:59,002
$15,000 or more just on contract fees
with the townships.

1989
02:41:57,200 --> 02:42:03,840
Um
[snorts]

1990
02:42:00,319 --> 02:42:08,560
for the runs we also I'm sorry 30,000 we
up that it used to be 14 million now

1991
02:42:05,840 --> 02:42:15,040
it's almost 30,000 for contract fees for
runs. Uh it's really hard to tell. uh in

1992
02:42:11,680 --> 02:42:19,520
2025 it was a fantastic year meaning we
had really large fires and they got

1993
02:42:16,880 --> 02:42:25,840
really expensive for the taxpayers
and

1994
02:42:21,600 --> 02:42:30,720
so uh we uh are only estimated about
$15,000 worth of runs. Um as you see

1995
02:42:28,720 --> 02:42:35,439
this year we're at 6800. We're halfway
through the year. It's been typical for

1996
02:42:32,800 --> 02:42:41,600
us um about 15,000 professional
services. Um, so that's your active 911,

1997
02:42:38,479 --> 02:42:46,880
which is how they receive their alerts,
is Med Compass, which is the physical

1998
02:42:44,399 --> 02:42:50,146
testing for all of our
firefighters. [clears throat]

1999
02:42:51,280 --> 02:42:58,920
» Sorry,
>> what do you mean you can't see?

2000
02:42:53,920 --> 02:42:58,920
» It is Windfit subscriptions.

2001
02:42:59,920 --> 02:43:07,040
It is B&R Plumbing. Had to go do some
stuff out there.

2002
02:43:07,840 --> 02:43:12,399
What was that one? The other
>> which one's talking? Professional

2003
02:43:12,000 --> 02:43:16,160
services.
>> Oh, that's professional services. That

2004
02:43:14,080 --> 02:43:20,319
$15,000 that we plan. So, it's Med
Compass Active 911, which is the thing

2005
02:43:18,960 --> 02:43:22,880
that goes off on your cell phone when
you get a call. um

2006
02:43:22,240 --> 02:43:27,680
» windfits
>> windfits

2007
02:43:24,640 --> 02:43:31,800
and whenever they get you know BNR the
fire extinguishers that

2008
02:43:33,600 --> 02:43:40,040
» Alex apparatus it's their um air quality
test on there

2009
02:43:41,439 --> 02:43:46,920
» pink
>> um the other request

2010
02:43:49,200 --> 02:43:56,399
» was the turnout gear which is under the
uniform allowance.

2011
02:43:54,880 --> 02:44:00,720
Um
that is a $5,000 request uh from the

2012
02:43:59,520 --> 02:44:04,880
fire chief.
>> And to answer your question from

2013
02:44:02,240 --> 02:44:08,960
earlier, we replaced three and it was
$10,932

2014
02:44:07,760 --> 02:44:13,200
for those three
>> for the turnout.

2015
02:44:10,640 --> 02:44:15,359
» So three three turnout gear full suits
costs around 10 grand.

2016
02:44:14,800 --> 02:44:23,080
» 11
>> 11 grand. So we can only do

2017
02:44:19,760 --> 02:44:23,080
» that if we

2018
02:44:23,840 --> 02:44:26,800
are expiring
>> three

2019
02:44:25,600 --> 02:44:30,720
» three.
>> Oh,

2020
02:44:27,520 --> 02:44:34,560
» they're usually set up to do like three
three

2021
02:44:32,399 --> 02:44:37,120
» but there's I can't remember. Adam
showed me the sheet and I don't remember

2022
02:44:35,760 --> 02:44:42,080
if there's a year in between which is
why he did five or

2023
02:44:39,520 --> 02:44:45,680
» there was a gap. Yeah.
>> And it depends on how many service

2024
02:44:43,439 --> 02:44:49,760
members you get in. Like last year we
had three new

2025
02:44:47,680 --> 02:44:54,680
» Yeah, we had three new people. So those
three new people need to hear.

2026
02:44:51,680 --> 02:44:54,680
» So

2027
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» all right, questions about fire. Are we
fully staffed? Don't fire a fire

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department?
>> No.

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» No.
>> Um fire kind of like ambulance man, the

2030
02:45:05,680 --> 02:45:12,240
more the marrier. We have a problem
during the daytime as all fire

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02:45:08,720 --> 02:45:18,880
departments do. Um there's a lot of
discussion statewide about how can we

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02:45:15,840 --> 02:45:23,120
Adam told me this statistic last week on
Friday and I looked it up and he was

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absolutely correct in the entire United
States for fire department funding.

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Minnesota ranks 49th.
>> I I read that

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» um we are just not adequately funding
fire departments. And the thing is is

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02:45:34,960 --> 02:45:42,880
fire departments do so much more um than
put out fires, you know. agriculturally

2037
02:45:41,120 --> 02:45:46,960
uh we need them because Heartley Corn
Products and DFA would not be able to

2038
02:45:44,560 --> 02:45:51,200
operate if they weren't here. Um so it's
definitely something that we continue to

2039
02:45:49,680 --> 02:45:54,720
revisit.
I had a meeting today with uh the

2040
02:45:52,640 --> 02:45:58,880
superintendent about how can we bring
cadetses and police and fire and

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02:45:56,720 --> 02:46:03,840
ambulance into schools in a better more
productive way. Um obviously he has more

2042
02:46:01,840 --> 02:46:09,840
educational background experience with
kids, kids in general. Um, and so we

2043
02:46:08,080 --> 02:46:15,120
were just bouncing ideas off of how how
do we get um more firefighters and

2044
02:46:13,200 --> 02:46:19,520
people mindful that it's not just a
voluntary thing, but it's also a

2045
02:46:17,200 --> 02:46:23,279
community building thing. So, we're
working on that.

2046
02:46:21,520 --> 02:46:26,800
» So, with turn off gear, [clears throat]
he's only asking for 5,000.

2047
02:46:25,520 --> 02:46:31,120
» That's was my question.
>> I think that the relief association is

2048
02:46:29,040 --> 02:46:36,000
also paying for some. I think that was
their plan. I know that I

2049
02:46:34,160 --> 02:46:38,640
» they're going to put some of my head to
the

2050
02:46:36,479 --> 02:46:41,600
» Yeah.
>> Yeah. Well, there again, we don't want

2051
02:46:39,840 --> 02:46:45,840
our firefighters going into a house fair
with chart off those,

2052
02:46:44,800 --> 02:46:51,040
» right?
>> Yeah. And we're asking a lot to them.

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02:46:48,000 --> 02:46:58,160
So, and I I think most people probably
know that, but it's not multi-use. It

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02:46:54,000 --> 02:47:02,760
those are fitted for each firefighter,
so they can't mix and match.

2055
02:47:05,359 --> 02:47:12,800
Any other questions about fire
council?

2056
02:47:11,200 --> 02:47:15,680
Anybody else questions about the fire
budget?

2057
02:47:13,760 --> 02:47:19,040
» I had similar question on two lines that
one was is 5,000 enough for the turnout

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02:47:17,920 --> 02:47:21,439
year when we know we have three
expiring.

2059
02:47:19,920 --> 02:47:24,960
» Yeah, that it'd be a good question to
just check with Adam.

2060
02:47:23,600 --> 02:47:28,160
» I was just at the meeting, but I'm
pretty sure that the religious

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02:47:26,240 --> 02:47:31,760
association's putting money into it. And
then 15,000 for the professional

2062
02:47:30,160 --> 02:47:37,000
services when our run rate rates been
closer to 20.

2063
02:47:33,840 --> 02:47:37,000
Is that

2064
02:47:39,605 --> 02:47:41,625
[laughter]

2065
02:47:43,120 --> 02:47:47,399
because it's averaged over three years?

2066
02:47:47,439 --> 02:47:55,520
» We can definitely look at category 300.
>> If I remember correctly, there was

2067
02:47:52,960 --> 02:47:59,920
something that fell [laughter] off
that we don't do anymore. I know that we

2068
02:47:57,439 --> 02:48:02,800
got a different fire extinguisher guy.
>> Yeah,

2069
02:48:00,160 --> 02:48:05,840
» because he was very expensive. I just
did whatever he wanted.

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02:48:04,000 --> 02:48:10,040
» Okay.
All right. Any other questions?

2071
02:48:10,319 --> 02:48:14,800
» I guess I'll get a gold star. This was
long and there were a lot of numbers

2072
02:48:13,840 --> 02:48:18,240
that
>> So, the problem is is that we increase

2073
02:48:16,640 --> 02:48:22,399
the levy. So,
>> yes. Yes. Um, I guess from on a a staff

2074
02:48:20,880 --> 02:48:27,439
perspective,
um, from council, where do you want us

2075
02:48:26,000 --> 02:48:31,600
to go from here? How much do you want us
to try to cut? What do you guys want us

2076
02:48:29,439 --> 02:48:36,960
to take out? Do you want to just cancel
off special projects? What is it that I

2077
02:48:35,040 --> 02:48:42,000
mean, unless you want to settle at a 24
or 25% increase, uh, which I doubt you

2078
02:48:39,840 --> 02:48:47,359
do. Last year, just a reminder, we
started at 80% increase, right? So, this

2079
02:48:44,160 --> 02:48:49,840
is much more manageable, but as staff,
we're still

2080
02:48:48,160 --> 02:48:56,040
» 25.
>> Okay. It's 25.

2081
02:48:53,040 --> 02:48:56,040
» Um,

2082
02:48:56,240 --> 02:49:00,160
can we when's our next meeting?
>> Uh, two weeks.

2083
02:48:59,520 --> 02:49:04,720
» Yes. Okay.
>> Yeah. Two weeks is our next meeting.

2084
02:49:02,160 --> 02:49:07,920
» You know, if we can get some information
from some of the ones we had questions

2085
02:49:06,479 --> 02:49:13,840
about. I know some of the grants we
won't know. um

2086
02:49:11,520 --> 02:49:20,160
you know I think we could revisit some
of that then.

2087
02:49:15,359 --> 02:49:25,120
» So 20 um so 25% increase equals around
let's just round up Heather numbers lady

2088
02:49:22,800 --> 02:49:30,399
is about $250,000.
Um, so

2089
02:49:27,920 --> 02:49:36,160
you know, if you're telling staff, you
know, by next meeting we need to be down

2090
02:49:33,040 --> 02:49:40,240
another 100,000, we can start digging in
and make recommendations like we did

2091
02:49:38,160 --> 02:49:44,000
last year. Um, just to get that
percentage down or

2092
02:49:42,640 --> 02:49:48,000
» I'm going to try and reach out to the
county commissioners again and just say,

2093
02:49:46,080 --> 02:49:51,279
you want to give us an, you know, an
idea what you're thinking about for

2094
02:49:49,359 --> 02:49:56,399
library funding. You know, can you even
give us a Well, you know, we think it'll

2095
02:49:53,840 --> 02:49:59,920
be a 10% cut or a 20% cut. It would
really [laughter] help if we had a

2096
02:49:58,800 --> 02:50:04,160
ballpark.
>> Yeah.

2097
02:50:01,040 --> 02:50:10,000
» That amount is about 3%. You know, that
that a larger am a large increase amount

2098
02:50:08,319 --> 02:50:14,640
from when we started to where we
finished was the library. So

2099
02:50:11,600 --> 02:50:18,399
» yeah, I think you should also make the
statement about the difference between

2100
02:50:16,399 --> 02:50:24,080
the preliminary
>> versus that's very important.

2101
02:50:20,640 --> 02:50:30,160
» Yeah. So the preliminary budget allows
um council to set something so that we

2102
02:50:26,880 --> 02:50:36,240
can send tax notices out um every single
year. The preliminary budget is not what

2103
02:50:32,240 --> 02:50:41,040
we're going to end. Um, so we can go up
to that amount, but we legally cannot go

2104
02:50:38,080 --> 02:50:47,120
over unless the state does an exemption,
which is unlikely. Um, so once we set

2105
02:50:44,479 --> 02:50:51,040
the preliminary levy in September, you
know, that's pretty much it. So let's

2106
02:50:49,120 --> 02:50:55,120
pretend the county commissioners say,
"Nope, we're not going to cut you." But

2107
02:50:52,160 --> 02:50:59,520
then they do cut you. Um, we're going to
have to figure that out amongst council

2108
02:50:57,760 --> 02:51:02,520
because you're going to have to reduce
something.

2109
02:51:04,240 --> 02:51:10,080
And then we set the actual levy in
December.

2110
02:51:08,399 --> 02:51:15,840
» So after the preliminary you can always
go down but you cannot go higher. So it

2111
02:51:13,120 --> 02:51:22,160
is a trend to set it on the cautious
side because then you can go down by

2112
02:51:19,279 --> 02:51:27,359
December. So while residents get their
tax statements and it shows, oh my gosh,

2113
02:51:24,880 --> 02:51:31,520
we're getting a 25% increase. You're not
actually getting that. That's what it

2114
02:51:28,720 --> 02:51:37,520
was prelim at. Your final increase will
come from the final budget.

2115
02:51:34,479 --> 02:51:41,439
» Yeah. And I always the And it's not that
your taxes are going to go up 25%. It's

2116
02:51:39,439 --> 02:51:44,560
the overall levy which is based on your
property values and all those other 52

2117
02:51:43,439 --> 02:51:50,040
categories. So
>> that's how they look at

2118
02:51:47,040 --> 02:51:50,040
all.

2119
02:51:50,960 --> 02:51:58,000
» All right. Well, we'll continue to try
and do some homework. And as I said

2120
02:51:55,920 --> 02:52:02,560
earlier, you come up with questions
tomorrow or next week. you know where to

2121
02:52:00,479 --> 02:52:10,279
find us.
Um, all right. Thank you all very much.

2122
02:52:06,319 --> 02:52:10,279
Were the microphones better?

2123
02:52:19,760 --> 02:52:25,920
» We couldn't figure out what stance. See,
like hers is still too short. tricky. It

2124
02:52:24,080 --> 02:52:32,040
needs to be longer and
>> but you know it doesn't hear me. Okay.

2125
02:52:28,560 --> 02:52:32,040
I'd rather not

2126
02:52:41,760 --> 02:52:46,319
» you can have them all on. We turn them
all on and threw them in a box and like

2127
02:52:45,680 --> 02:52:51,080
not
>> So guess how much $4,000.

2128
02:52:56,399 --> 02:53:00,200
Can we use our old speakers?

2129
02:53:11,694 --> 02:53:13,714
» [clears throat]

2130
02:53:20,240 --> 02:53:24,520
» The thing is is that there's eight of

2131
02:53:26,104 --> 02:53:30,760
[clears throat]
those also expand.

2132
02:53:36,720 --> 02:53:45,479
» Yeah. wire kind of stinks because you
have to charge it,

2133
02:53:40,800 --> 02:53:45,479
» but you can put them anywhere, right?

2134
02:53:45,760 --> 02:53:50,800
» Oh, hey, we should stop eating.
Put it