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>> We're good. Okay. Good evening

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everybody.

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I'd like to call the Wednesday, October

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7th, 2026

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Wolfpro Select Board and Libby Trustees

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meeting into session here at the great

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hall. Um before we begin, I'd like to

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invite anybody who'd like to join us for

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pledge of allegiance to please do so

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to the flag of the United States of

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America and to the republic for which it

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stands. One nation under God,

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indivisible, liberty and justice for

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all.

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And it's flying right side.

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Thank you very much.

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Last time I'll do it, but uh introduce

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our new town manager,

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Jim Wheeler, to the uh to the meeting.

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Jim, do we have a need for nonpublic

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this evening?

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>> Yeah, we will have one item under 91A

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colon 3 Roman numeral 2 paragraph L

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under legal advice.

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>> Thank you, sir.

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Second item on our agenda is the

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consideration of minutes.

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Miss Murray.

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>> Yeah, Mr. Chairman, I would like to read

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a uh statement into the record that I

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was requested by the town manager

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secretary. It had to do with something

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omitted from the uh July 1st minutes. Um

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was missing a statement on page three

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before the motion and it was Miss Lane

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did state thatformational

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packets were available as confirmed in

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the video and that the statement was

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omitted from the minutes but we'd like

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it recorded.

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>> Board members, any objection to adding

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that into uh that adjustment to the

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minutes?

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that. Any other items on it on the

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September 2nd minutes. [snorts]

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those minutes again while re reviewing

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them. Um, I realized when I corrected

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it said the board members read their

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statements and from those who spoke with

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them and gave a summary of their

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activities as trustees of the Living

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Museum. I believe those statements

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should be in the minutes. It was about

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the demolition of the um building and I

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think those statements are important to

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be in. So that's why I would like to

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table that. So I make a motion to table

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the September 2nd, 2026 minutes.

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>> Motion to table the September 2nd, 2026

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minutes. Second, please.

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>> Motion and a second. Any conversation.

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» All those in favor to table I, please. I

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>> No objections. Minutes are tabled.

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that when we get back, I'll have to do

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that. September 16th minutes.

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these. I was putting together my report

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for the chamber and I went to get the

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information on the Reggie rebate

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it didn't tell us what date, what the

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rate was. And so I would like to table

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this set of minutes also. I'd like to

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get that information. And I think it's

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important that that is in the minutes

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sure when we make a motion on something

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like that that we repeat.

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>> So that's why I'd like to table those.

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table the September 19th minutes.

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>> Motion to table the 19th September

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minutes. Second, please.

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the document from Donald Lane. Uh um at

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the public hearing, it was stated any

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informationational

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document is available. See the video

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that'll go along with the uh most recent

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minutes. So, we'll we'll move those

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along. It was Miss Murray. This was a

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next time we get to the minutes on that.

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for minutes. That was an easy one.

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item on our agenda is public input.

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have a few words?

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hearings. We don't have any public

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hearings. Temporary event permits. Um,

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uh, we have the Wilra Historical Society

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is going to host a fall car show on

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October 10th from 10:00 a.m. to 1 atm at

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Clark Park, permit 202653.

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uh our town planner did not uh have an

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opportunity to sign the uh temporary

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event permit, but based upon uh what he would weigh in on, I'm not so

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sure we are going to hold this thing up.

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car show?

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the Historical Society at the Park

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Museum and this is the second uh antique

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and vintage car show we have this year.

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they're called the Saturday morning

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regulars and they never how many them

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are going to show up. So it's always a

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lot of different variety of the vehicles

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there and just great group of people.

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on the actual museum complex, but it's

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free open to the public and have

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insurance. So again,

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come out nice.

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open it up, any questions on this side?

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>> Uh move to approve the um Wolfboro

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Historical Society to host a fall car

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show on October 10th, 2026 from 10:00

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a.m. to 1 p.m. That's it. That's the

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uh Clark Park permit number 2026-53.

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>> I have a motion and a second by Mr.

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Senle. Any conversation?

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>> All those in favor, please. I I

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>> We're all good. Thanks, Libby. Next one

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is Wolfer Alliance Club to host a

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trick-or- treat

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>> Trick-or- treat

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p.m.2026-54.

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quiet night in the past though, right?

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>> Open up the public hearing. Anybody want

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>> Thank you very much. Board members, can

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I get a motion, please?

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>> Um, I will move to approve the temporary

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event permit

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uh for the Wolfboro Lions Club to hold

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trick-or- treat at Kate Park, October

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31st, 2026 from 5:00 p.m. to 700 p.m.

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society. So I have a motion. Can I get a

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>> A motion and a second. All those in

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favor? I. Please. I.

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>> Thank you very much. Next item is the

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Historical Society of Wolf to host a

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trick-or- treat at Clark Park on 31

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October 2026 from 5 to 7 per permit

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202655.

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Wondering if that's a duplicative.

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Anybody here to want to speak to that?

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Here comes Libby.

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>> Hi, S.

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>> Okay. This is really

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Shannon uh president and [snorts] very

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representable for Historical Society at

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the Clark Museum. And this is our

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seventh uh annual trickor treat at the

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Clark Museum. You know, we started this

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back in 2020 um so there would be a safe

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place for kids to trickor treat outside

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and I think we've continued to provide a

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safe place. Um there's, you know, not a

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lot of traffic there and um it's just

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awesome. So, uh you can bring us candy,

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drop it off at my house. No, I'm

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kidding. [laughter]

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>> Just don't drop it off in my house. It

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won't make it to the party.

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and um if you cancel Halloween, that

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would be sad, but we [laughter] we will

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we only do it if we have a town trick or

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treat and then when the candy runs out,

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we're all set. So,

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>> do you know about the um Lions Club

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trickor treat at the park? Can you

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explain that to us? So, um,

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the Lions Club and the Kingswood Youth

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Center had always been on the grass of

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the park and you know, we do ours behind

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the picket fence of the Clark Museum.

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that's like a separate um

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>> a separate thing. I'm not really sure

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what they're doing, but we've sort of

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absorbed the Kingswood Youth Center.

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>> Okay. Um, so they'll be with us. So they

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>> perfect. You're you're a

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>> plethora of information.

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>> You all set?

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>> Yeah. I just want to make sure we note

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that we need to close the parking lot to

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vehicle traffic is one of their

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requests. And we do. Kids are walking

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all over the place.

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>> So that is need we need to make sure

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that happens. Okay.

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anybody in the public want comment?

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All set. Board members, can I get a

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motion, please?

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>> Move to approve um the Wolfboro

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Historical Society to host Trickor Treat

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at Clark Park on October 31st, 2026 from

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5:00 p.m. to 7:00 p.m. Permit number

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2026-55.

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>> Second motion, a second.

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>> Second.

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>> And that includes closing the park.

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closing the parking lot

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>> and to have the parking lot closed for

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safety for the children.

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>> Anybody object to the addition on the

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motion?

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>> We're good. Okay.

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Any conversation? All those in favor,

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please.

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>> We're good.

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>> Thank you.

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>> Can I approach?

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>> You were only going to get this candy if

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you

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>> candy. [laughter]

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Right here. No. No. No. Right here. No.

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Oh, look at this.

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>> Thank you.

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>> Oh, we're going to get in trouble for

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this.

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Okay. Thank you. Put that down in your

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pocket.

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>> We'll sit here munching.

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>> Thank you.

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>> If anybody doesn't want their candy, I I

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can uh very easily put it in my car. Uh

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we have in the past uh recent past been

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uh putting uh up behind us uh the bulk

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vote. Um we're not going to do that

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tonight. Uh we're uh I'm just going to

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read it into the record and we'll take a

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uh take a vote on it. So we have items

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A, B, C, and D on our bulk vote. The

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first item is the weekly manifest. Those

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are the bills we pay. September 18th,

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2026, 345,949563.

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September 25th, 1.352

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571, million.33. I believe that includes

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the school payment.

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>> Yes. and October 2nd B uh manifest

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$410,317.

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The second item on the bulk vote is the

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uh Thanks for coming guys. Leave some

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more candy if you wouldn't mind. Um is

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the approval of the MS1 summary of in

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inventory valuation and the MS1

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V5 lower beach pond. The third item and

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anybody want to talk about what that is?

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you want to give us a brief update so

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folks can understand the valuation of

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our town we have to submit to the state.

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It's important for us to do that because

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that helps with the establishment of uh

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tax rates and all of that kind of stuff.

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Third item on the uh bulk vote is the

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approval of the yield tax levy. There's

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a yield tax levy on 20 Workers Drive tax

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Map 161 lot 12 for $964.95

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92.

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And the last is a uh intent to cut

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lumber old route 28 tax map 25 lot 2.

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That is the bulk vote. Can I get a

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motion, please?

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>> I'll make a motion to approve the bulk

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vote A through D.

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>> Motion. Do I have a second?

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>> Second.

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>> I have a motion and a second on the bulk

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vote.

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>> Can I if you want I can say one little

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thing. I want to tell people about the

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MS1 fund. It's um report required by RSA

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21-J number 34. um and it's

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certification of valuations,

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appropriations, and estimated revenues

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and other information for the department

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of revenue in order to set our tax rate.

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Quick information, it is our land value,

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our building value. This is for the

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whole town of Wolfboro. Utilities and

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timber value. Exemptions are subtracted

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out. it's um optional exemptions

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factored out and then a total amount of

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exemptions and the total net value of

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our um of the the town. So we have a

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total net value without utilities and

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adjusted um at 4 bill818,717,535.

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That's the value of the town of

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Wolfboro.

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Anything

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else, Brian?

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>> That's all.

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>> Thank you for that. Um, did some You

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moved, Linda, and there was a second.

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>> So, we have a motion and a second.

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That's That was your discussion. Anybody

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else?

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>> All those in favor of approving the bulk

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vote, I please. I

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>> I

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>> All right, we're good. Next item on the

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agenda is uh board and committee

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appointments. We have none this evening.

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New business. [clears throat] First item

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of new business is a discussion. Mr.

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Brown uh requested a uh a 30-minute

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meeting with the board to re uh review

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his report that is in our board packets.

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Mr. Brown, welcome back.

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» Good evening. I'm going to go ahead and

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sign in.

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>> Yeah, sign in, please.

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>> Yeah, I don't know if the microphone

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Timothy, can you hear Derek upstairs?

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>> Uh I Oh, yeah.

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>> Oh, he's good. Never mind. Never mind.

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We're good.

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>> Talk to it. Thanks, Derek.

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>> Sure.

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Okay. Um, good evening. Uh, thank you

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for hearing us this evening and, uh,

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welcome, Mr. Wheeler.

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>> Thank you.

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>> Um, I'm just going to read a few pages

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here. We're going to have, uh, kind of

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an inclusive from all the members that

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assisted in this tonight. Uh,

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» want me to make the noise?

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There you go. There you go.

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>> There we go.

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You're going to have to get

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it down when you're

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» ahead.

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>> Okay.

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>> Much better. Thank you.

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>> Okay. So, to get started, uh yes, we

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produced a report um that was handed in

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earlier last week. Um but nearly all of

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it, the entire report didn't make it

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into Mr. Randall's presentation. So, we

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appreciate being able to discuss that

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tonight. So, tonight we offer detailed

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information as to how we arrived at I'm

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going to say our conclusions

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so far.

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We offer to share the methods and the

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approaches with anybody that has

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questions. We welcome it.

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You'll hear from obviously myself.

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You'll hear from Sebastian Toronado.

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You'll hear from Jeff Owings. And you'll

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hear from Suzanne Ryan.

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So, I'm going to start off by saying how

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we got here for those that are kind of

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newer to this journey. Uh, November of

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last year,

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I reported found and reported a foul

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smelling fluid coming from a drain pipe

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at the town docks.

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Tests were done.

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It revealed fecal collar form in excess

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of 2400 which is I know there's a

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variety of tests that can be done to

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measure that but for the test that was

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done by europens that was as high as the

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value could read and a ecoli test was

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also done and that was 260

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at that same location that was done and

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the results were in on November 12th but

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it was not revealed to the public until

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January 15th.

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It seemed to mysteriously make its way

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out of minutes and meetings subsequent

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between November and January.

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Too many stories to mention as to the

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source of these challenges.

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It is our understanding the pipe is no

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longer in service. So moving forward,

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this brings us to what we call the pool

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at the town docks. [snorts]

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You can form your own definition of what

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we mean by a pool.

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A growing number of citizens have

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started asking us had started asking us

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why this pool exists in the parking lot

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at the town docks at this time every

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year.

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So a small group of us got together.

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we educated ourselves, asked a

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lot of questions of a lot of people and

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a lot of professionals and industry

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consultants.

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We collected data, trends and

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conditions. We reached out to Euroins to

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guide us on proper techniques and

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methods for actually testing if we were

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going to take this on ourselves with our

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own dime and time.

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They were I I have to point out

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incredibly helpful in guiding us. There

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were several visual visual conditions as

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I call them that raised our concern. We

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did our first test as this group of four

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I mentioned on June 17th.

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And as reference to the previous

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comments about the pipe test results

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taking two months, we had our results in

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two days.

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These results were also at the storm

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drain in the center of the parking lot

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where this pool was or at that time was.

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They were also greater than 2400 for

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feififor

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and ecoli

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260.

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It's important to point this out that

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this storm drain is in the middle of the

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parking lot which is about 80 ft from

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the capped pipe from the previous

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November.

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We brought these results to the

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selectman meeting of July 1st. Select

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board submitted them unanimously to put

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them in the record. At that time, one of

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the members whose personal information

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was in the uh chain of custody, we were

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a little concerned about who was going

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to take that personal information it was

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once it was a public document. So, we

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asked to redact that personal

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information, but needless to say, the

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test was submitted.

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We raised immediate concerns for public

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safety because this was a pool of water

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draining into the lake. We have video

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evidence of it, and we have videos of

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kids and adults walking through it

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barefoot, washing their face in the boat

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ramp water where that water is pouring

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into the lake.

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It's not speculated. It is on video.

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We raised these immediate concerns for

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public safety as this water is draining

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directly into the lake of the public

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boat ramp. Now, approximately a week

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later, we were approached by the DPW

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director as a suggestion we should work

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together,

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compare notes, methods, and truly find

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out what's happening at the town docks

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parking lot.

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Now, I will say all of us were

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encouraged. Maybe we've turned a corner

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here.

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So the four of us got together at Pop

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Whan had a meeting with Steve Randall

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and troubleshoot the challenges and

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create a plan for correction.

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We were asked for our data and we

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provided it. We gave suggestions on a

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path because

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we don't have other projects in town. We

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had a lot of time to be laser focused on

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this particular issue. So, we spent a

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lot of time on this, probably more than

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a lot of us want to admit.

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Um, so we created a a series of ideas

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that we felt would give us strong

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conclusions.

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As July and August evolved, it became

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evident we were only spectators.

550
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:07,440
We were not involved.

551
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:10,080
All of our ideas

552
00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:13,360
were politely accepted but not

553
00:24:13,360 --> 00:24:16,870
implemented.

554
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:19,919
Now, here we are. We're in agreement on

555
00:24:19,919 --> 00:24:21,840
one thing.

556
00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:25,200
We want to, as we say, uncouple the

557
00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:27,600
connection between potential cracks in a

558
00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:29,520
sewer main and groundwater

559
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:31,440
contamination. We don't want to see that

560
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:37,430
either. We all own property here.

561
00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:40,960
We can't uncouple these things.

562
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:42,880
All indications from all of our data,

563
00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:43,919
and you're going to hear more of it

564
00:24:43,919 --> 00:24:47,039
tonight, they are connected. To this

565
00:24:47,039 --> 00:24:52,390
point, we cannot prove they are not.

566
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:55,360
Why do we know this?

567
00:24:55,360 --> 00:24:57,279
What we know is we don't know where it's

568
00:24:57,279 --> 00:25:01,039
coming from, nor what it is. But either

569
00:25:01,039 --> 00:25:03,039
way, it's making its way into the lake

570
00:25:03,039 --> 00:25:07,990
through the stream the storm drains.

571
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,960
The one location of six sites tested by

572
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,679
the DPW that that Jeff Owings was asked

573
00:25:13,679 --> 00:25:17,760
to follow along and watch. The one site

574
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:20,320
that had the high hit for E.coli only

575
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:22,880
was the very same stone drain that we

576
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:27,279
had the high hit on. No others

577
00:25:27,279 --> 00:25:31,269
in that same location.

578
00:25:31,279 --> 00:25:34,799
The value was 6 160 for EC coli which is

579
00:25:34,799 --> 00:25:37,679
higher than we'd want it to be.

580
00:25:37,679 --> 00:25:40,159
I would say it was somewhere around 2

581
00:25:40,159 --> 00:25:45,039
weeks into July. Kerry Beach I I'm going

582
00:25:45,039 --> 00:25:47,360
to go from memory so forgive me was

583
00:25:47,360 --> 00:25:50,159
around 140 or something. So the beach

584
00:25:50,159 --> 00:25:53,360
was closed for the week

585
00:25:53,360 --> 00:25:54,960
but we're doing nothing at the town

586
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:58,710
docks.

587
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:00,640
So

588
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:02,640
this high reading was in the same spot

589
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:08,480
as I mentioned fe what to me beyond me

590
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:12,640
to our group the next major fatal flaw.

591
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:15,039
Fecal caulifform testing was not

592
00:26:15,039 --> 00:26:17,120
performed. They are two separate tests.

593
00:26:17,120 --> 00:26:20,159
One is for for ecoli and one is for

594
00:26:20,159 --> 00:26:22,720
fecal cifform. They need to incubate at

595
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:24,320
different temperatures and are handled

596
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:26,080
completely independent of one another.

597
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:27,679
they cannot be tested from the same

598
00:26:27,679 --> 00:26:30,710
sample.

599
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,120
This was critical to the whole process.

600
00:26:33,120 --> 00:26:36,480
Now I'm going to go on to say the ecoli

601
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:40,480
reading at the same storm drain.

602
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:42,799
Where did the test come up short? Now

603
00:26:42,799 --> 00:26:44,799
I'm going to instead of read this, I'm

604
00:26:44,799 --> 00:26:47,279
going to kind of give you a description

605
00:26:47,279 --> 00:26:48,960
and and again you'll be able to ask

606
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:51,279
questions. Is

607
00:26:51,279 --> 00:26:53,600
DNA certainly important? And I know that

608
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:55,600
was at the front of everybody's mind

609
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:58,320
that we needed to do DNA testing. Well,

610
00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:01,360
number one, it's expense.

611
00:27:01,360 --> 00:27:03,200
And it's expense that we may not find

612
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:06,000
necessary if we don't find any ecoli to

613
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:09,120
begin with or fecal properties or fecal

614
00:27:09,120 --> 00:27:11,600
caulifform that warrant getting a DNA

615
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:14,400
test done.

616
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,799
So

617
00:27:16,799 --> 00:27:19,360
there was more focus on let's get a DNA

618
00:27:19,360 --> 00:27:21,760
test done on something we don't even

619
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:25,520
know if there's feal colifform in it.

620
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:29,600
That was a waste of energy and money.

621
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,559
Now these res these results would turn

622
00:27:32,559 --> 00:27:35,679
into the defining of DNA test that would

623
00:27:35,679 --> 00:27:37,360
be warranted

624
00:27:37,360 --> 00:27:40,480
for spending monies on tests that may be

625
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:42,159
inconclusive

626
00:27:42,159 --> 00:27:44,480
may put us right back to square one. We

627
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:46,799
don't know anything and that's where we

628
00:27:46,799 --> 00:27:50,559
ended up further from day one and I say

629
00:27:50,559 --> 00:27:53,360
day one meaning mid July we stress the

630
00:27:53,360 --> 00:27:56,799
importance of colored dye testing that

631
00:27:56,799 --> 00:27:58,640
should have been done first. That is

632
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:01,120
exactly what we asked for first because

633
00:28:01,120 --> 00:28:03,679
we sat here 10 months ago saying we

634
00:28:03,679 --> 00:28:06,480
don't know where these drains go.

635
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:08,320
I think we can all at least agree on

636
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:10,480
that one point

637
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:12,320
and if not you can review the video

638
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:14,240
recorded meetings. We agree we don't

639
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:17,679
know where it goes. So instead of doing

640
00:28:17,679 --> 00:28:21,360
the die testing first they put it to the

641
00:28:21,360 --> 00:28:24,080
end of August after DNA and E.coli tests

642
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:26,159
were done.

643
00:28:26,159 --> 00:28:29,440
And by the way, the DNA, the dye

644
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:33,360
testing, they used green and blue. What

645
00:28:33,360 --> 00:28:36,960
are the colors of our water?

646
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:38,559
There's lots of colors that could have

647
00:28:38,559 --> 00:28:41,279
been used to make it more visible. But

648
00:28:41,279 --> 00:28:43,760
something else happened.

649
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:46,240
The dyes really, as far as we can tell,

650
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,240
never even made it through the lake

651
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:50,320
because by the time they put the water

652
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:53,279
pressure in the storm drains to push the

653
00:28:53,279 --> 00:28:55,760
dyes through, all kinds of crud came out

654
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:58,640
of the storm drains.

655
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:00,159
And that can be attested to this

656
00:29:00,159 --> 00:29:04,720
evening. So again, if we were more

657
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:09,269
involved in the process,

658
00:29:09,279 --> 00:29:10,799
that would have been the time to do an

659
00:29:10,799 --> 00:29:12,960
E.coli coli and caulifform fecal

660
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,120
caulifform test right now what's coming

661
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:16,559
out of that storm drain and all that

662
00:29:16,559 --> 00:29:19,279
sediment but it was not done nothing to

663
00:29:19,279 --> 00:29:21,919
see here what's most important was an

664
00:29:21,919 --> 00:29:24,720
ecoli number

665
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:27,200
well

666
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:29,760
what did happen is the die testing

667
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:32,480
didn't work

668
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:34,240
drains that are full of sediment and we

669
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:36,320
don't really know what's in them so this

670
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:38,240
is just an opinion but the one reason we

671
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:40,720
wanted the die testing was simply to see

672
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:42,720
where this goes and create a schematic

673
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:48,310
that we could work from.

674
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:51,520
The EC coli and fecal fecal caulifform

675
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:54,320
test at these locations should have

676
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:56,720
happened together simultaneously. They

677
00:29:56,720 --> 00:30:00,159
did not. So we have an ecoli number

678
00:30:00,159 --> 00:30:02,559
without a real read on the fecal

679
00:30:02,559 --> 00:30:04,799
components of this

680
00:30:04,799 --> 00:30:07,120
which is really what we were all

681
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:09,520
debating for months.

682
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:12,000
and that should have been done.

683
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,159
So in anticipation of the work session

684
00:30:14,159 --> 00:30:16,240
with the DPW last week, we got all the

685
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:18,159
information in our reporting form and

686
00:30:18,159 --> 00:30:20,240
you know specifically I got to publicly

687
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:22,000
thank Jeff Owings. He put so much time

688
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,960
into this report and his background was

689
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,440
this is one of his strengths. We are

690
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:29,279
expecting our research and data and

691
00:30:29,279 --> 00:30:31,360
statistical information to be in this

692
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:33,919
report. It was not.

693
00:30:33,919 --> 00:30:35,600
Lastly,

694
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,080
the report was provided as as the day

695
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:41,120
the report was provided to Mr. Wheeler

696
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:44,000
to Mr. Randall,

697
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:49,039
an elected official reached out and said

698
00:30:49,039 --> 00:30:51,120
we needed to add some data to our

699
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:54,316
report.

700
00:30:54,326 --> 00:30:58,470
[snorts] We said no,

701
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:03,120
the report is ours, our data. We're not

702
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:08,320
adding theories, speculation or

703
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:10,399
attabo for other people that are trying

704
00:31:10,399 --> 00:31:12,399
to get attab boys out of this. This is

705
00:31:12,399 --> 00:31:16,960
the data presented factual.

706
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:20,080
Now the conclusions

707
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:22,399
we cannot unfortunately from our point

708
00:31:22,399 --> 00:31:25,679
of view uncouple the fecal matter

709
00:31:25,679 --> 00:31:28,960
component of this regardless of the type

710
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:32,000
groundwater concentr contamination and

711
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,799
storm drains are emptying into the lake.

712
00:31:34,799 --> 00:31:37,360
We do not have a conclusion of where

713
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:40,240
this where this is coming from or what's

714
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:42,559
in it. And in order to agree with the

715
00:31:42,559 --> 00:31:45,039
statements in this report, we would have

716
00:31:45,039 --> 00:31:47,360
to do so.

717
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:49,840
We're not there yet.

718
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:53,039
Now, I'd like to ask Sebastian um to

719
00:31:53,039 --> 00:31:54,320
give us a couple of minutes if you could

720
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:56,880
of what he has.

721
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,919
>> Can I Derek, thank you for that. Um

722
00:31:59,919 --> 00:32:01,279
board members, do you want to wait till

723
00:32:01,279 --> 00:32:02,640
everybody's done or do you want to ask

724
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:04,320
Derek any specific questions now?

725
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:06,320
>> Okay, sure.

726
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:07,840
>> I guess you might want to wait. Wait

727
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:08,480
till everybody's

728
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:11,360
>> I'd like to hear the whole thing. Great.

729
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:12,559
I think that's a good idea.

730
00:32:12,559 --> 00:32:14,240
>> And then I'd like to make a statement. I

731
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:15,120
don't want to ask questions.

732
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:16,559
>> That's okay. We'll wait till everybody's

733
00:32:16,559 --> 00:32:18,000
done. Thank you.

734
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:19,519
>> Sebastian, you're next.

735
00:32:19,519 --> 00:32:29,947
>> Thank you, sir.

736
00:32:29,957 --> 00:32:37,669
[clears throat]

737
00:32:37,679 --> 00:32:41,760
» Good evening. Uh Sebastian Toronado.

738
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:45,200
Uh just like to say I want to take this

739
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:47,279
opportunity to thank the select board

740
00:32:47,279 --> 00:32:50,080
and Steve Randall for the opportunity uh

741
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:52,880
to try to work together. I think it uh

742
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:54,640
the collaboration

743
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:57,039
uh worked somewhat. It could have been

744
00:32:57,039 --> 00:33:00,880
better. Uh but I'm enthusiastic to try

745
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:03,840
to get back on it and try to get more

746
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:08,240
better data here. Uh

747
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,640
what I'm going to speak about is the

748
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,120
testing that was done and how it might

749
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:16,159
have been done a little bit better. Uh

750
00:33:16,159 --> 00:33:17,679
in order to do that I have to give you a

751
00:33:17,679 --> 00:33:20,799
little background. Um I've come before

752
00:33:20,799 --> 00:33:23,600
you a couple times before and have put

753
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:27,039
forth a theory and that theory is that

754
00:33:27,039 --> 00:33:29,360
there is a leak in the sewer system

755
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:31,519
contaminates the groundwater. where we

756
00:33:31,519 --> 00:33:33,519
have heavy rains, the groundwater comes

757
00:33:33,519 --> 00:33:35,919
up, gets into the sump of the building,

758
00:33:35,919 --> 00:33:39,279
the bu uh the sump comes on, puts the

759
00:33:39,279 --> 00:33:41,279
sump water into the drain system, and

760
00:33:41,279 --> 00:33:44,159
that's where we're seeing the problem. I

761
00:33:44,159 --> 00:33:47,279
would like nothing more than to disprove

762
00:33:47,279 --> 00:33:49,760
that theory. I really would. I don't

763
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:52,640
want the sewer system to be part of the

764
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:54,799
drain system essentially when when we

765
00:33:54,799 --> 00:33:58,000
have a high water. But nonetheless, in

766
00:33:58,000 --> 00:33:59,919
order to do that, we need information.

767
00:33:59,919 --> 00:34:02,240
We need data to be able to prove that

768
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,640
that's not happening or to prove that it

769
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:09,359
is happening. And I understand we did uh

770
00:34:09,359 --> 00:34:12,159
Stantech was hired to send some of the

771
00:34:12,159 --> 00:34:16,480
samples for uh DNA testing and that uh

772
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:19,599
came back nothing. No

773
00:34:19,599 --> 00:34:24,560
bird, no dog, no human DNA.

774
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:27,040
And I'd like to add too that I've done a

775
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:29,760
little research and the the types of DNA

776
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:31,679
that they can test for right now are

777
00:34:31,679 --> 00:34:35,520
those three plus livestock which is

778
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:37,200
cattle

779
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:40,560
uh pigs that kind of thing. So, since

780
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:42,639
they didn't hit

781
00:34:42,639 --> 00:34:46,399
those three, the aven, the human, or the

782
00:34:46,399 --> 00:34:48,399
pet, which by the way, the pet also

783
00:34:48,399 --> 00:34:50,320
includes horses,

784
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:52,240
uh, I don't recall seeing a lot of cows

785
00:34:52,240 --> 00:34:54,399
in town, so I doubt that that was the

786
00:34:54,399 --> 00:34:56,800
problem. So, that made me wonder, you

787
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:58,800
know, what's with the test? How could

788
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:00,800
you have zero? How can it be zero? How

789
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,200
can you have no DNA whatsoever? You

790
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:04,800
know, unless the Martians landed the

791
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:08,320
night before, I I don't know. Uh so I

792
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,880
started looking into that and I find

793
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:14,560
that when you go to do a DNA test,

794
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:17,359
you have to execute the test some 8 to

795
00:35:17,359 --> 00:35:20,160
12 hours after you take the sample. If

796
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:21,839
you don't do that and you just keep it

797
00:35:21,839 --> 00:35:24,560
in water, believe it or not, water is an

798
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:28,800
enemy of DNA. It uh hydrayes the de uh

799
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,440
the DNA, breaks it apart, and you get

800
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:34,079
nothing. It gets degraded and you end up

801
00:35:34,079 --> 00:35:37,119
getting no DNA.

802
00:35:37,119 --> 00:35:39,359
The only uh [sighs]

803
00:35:39,359 --> 00:35:41,920
the only way you can is if you filter

804
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,720
the sample first. You can save the

805
00:35:44,720 --> 00:35:48,000
filtered sample in a freezer and then

806
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:51,280
you can do that up to 6 months later.

807
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:56,240
But there was no information indicated that that

808
00:35:56,240 --> 00:35:58,800
happened. What I what my understanding

809
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:01,359
from the report and from questions I

810
00:36:01,359 --> 00:36:04,160
asked was the sample was set down. They

811
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:07,599
were told to hold it until they did the

812
00:36:07,599 --> 00:36:10,240
E. coli test and once the E.coli test

813
00:36:10,240 --> 00:36:12,880
was done they selected which sample they

814
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:15,200
wanted to do the DNA test. That took two

815
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:18,880
days. By the end of two days the DNA was

816
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:20,400
probably degraded. That's why you got

817
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:24,160
zero hit on it. Number two I'd like to

818
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:26,400
kind of say uh give you a little bit of

819
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:29,520
information on what

820
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:32,240
uh fecal caulifform total collifform and

821
00:36:32,240 --> 00:36:34,560
ecoli is. You probably have had a

822
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:36,320
somewhat a lesson in that. But for those

823
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,800
who are uneducated,

824
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:40,960
the universe

825
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:45,599
of caulifform bacteria is this. Fecal

826
00:36:45,599 --> 00:36:47,760
caulifform is a subset of total

827
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:51,040
caulifforms and ecoli is a subset of

828
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:53,599
fecal caulifforms. So if you have EC

829
00:36:53,599 --> 00:36:55,599
coli what that indicates is you have a

830
00:36:55,599 --> 00:36:58,079
fecal contamination but you don't know

831
00:36:58,079 --> 00:37:00,640
exactly what level you have it at how

832
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:04,000
much uh you can sort of try to derive it

833
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,320
from the ecoli but it's not really a one

834
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:08,240
to one relationship.

835
00:37:08,240 --> 00:37:09,920
So

836
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:12,240
the reason why fecal caulifform is

837
00:37:12,240 --> 00:37:14,079
important, it kind of gives you a load

838
00:37:14,079 --> 00:37:16,480
number. It gives you like how

839
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:18,640
contaminated, what is the frequency of

840
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:21,280
contamination, how big of a load went

841
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:24,640
in. And what I can tell you is that some

842
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:26,640
the research that I've done and looked

843
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:30,240
up when you get to a number of 2400 that

844
00:37:30,240 --> 00:37:32,880
pegs the test.

845
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:34,560
And

846
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:37,520
what that indicates according to some

847
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:40,400
people and the research that uh I've

848
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:43,280
seen is that that is the microbial

849
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:48,720
equivalent of raw sewage or uh a heavy

850
00:37:48,720 --> 00:37:52,160
agricultural runoff. And before anyone

851
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:54,480
loses their mind, I said it's the

852
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:57,040
equivalent. Didn't call it raw sewage.

853
00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:00,400
It is the equivalent of raw sewage.

854
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:04,880
Um, so I also did some checking on what

855
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:07,200
one does when you have that sort of

856
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:09,040
situation.

857
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:12,640
And in order to try to clean it up, they

858
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:14,160
basically tell you you should be wearing

859
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:16,480
a hazmat suit. So it's not something

860
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:19,599
that is h well not a big deal. They tell

861
00:38:19,599 --> 00:38:21,440
you to wear rubber gloves, rubber boots,

862
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:25,839
an N95 mask, and goggles. And so it they

863
00:38:25,839 --> 00:38:30,400
consider a load of 2400

864
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:33,760
as as very high. In fact, if they give

865
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:35,920
you sometime in c certain papers I've

866
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:38,160
read, they give you limits like for

867
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:41,280
instance swimming up to 200 you can

868
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:45,280
swim. 400 you really shouldn't have

869
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:48,240
contact with the water. After up to a

870
00:38:48,240 --> 00:38:50,480
thousand after a th00and you shouldn't

871
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:53,680
even be boating in the water. So a load

872
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:57,359
of 2400 they consider I believe the

873
00:38:57,359 --> 00:39:00,960
words I read were biological hazard.

874
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:05,119
So it's not something that can be

875
00:39:05,119 --> 00:39:07,440
uh overlooked easily. It's something

876
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:12,000
that really needs to be dealt with. Um

877
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,000
that's kind of what I need to say. Oh,

878
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:19,040
and also I did some research on

879
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:20,960
for instance, you know, parking lot at

880
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:24,560
design, the situation we have here. And

881
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:27,599
the three most probable

882
00:39:27,599 --> 00:39:30,079
causes for the situation that I

883
00:39:30,079 --> 00:39:32,640
described were,

884
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:35,280
let me read this because I want to quote

885
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:37,119
this exactly. So, I have to put on my

886
00:39:37,119 --> 00:39:40,240
glasses. My my vanity is is hurting

887
00:39:40,240 --> 00:39:43,359
right now. Uh

888
00:39:43,359 --> 00:39:45,040
so they call it well the number one

889
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:47,119
reason is a groundwater contamination.

890
00:39:47,119 --> 00:39:49,760
If an adjacent building septic tank or

891
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:52,000
an underground municipal sewer main is

892
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:54,640
cracked, raw sewage is leaking into the

893
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:57,200
ground surrounding soil. The sump pump

894
00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:58,960
is then drawing in this highly

895
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:01,280
contaminated groundwater and discharging

896
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:04,000
it directly into the parking lot basin.

897
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:06,079
That's the number one. The second one is

898
00:40:06,079 --> 00:40:09,040
an illegal cross connection. A nearby

899
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:11,520
building may have elicitly plumbed con

900
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:14,320
uh plump connection where a toilet, a

901
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:16,480
sink or washing machine has been

902
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:18,400
accidentally plumbed into the storm

903
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:20,880
drain system instead of the sanitary

904
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:23,839
sewer. That was uh actually my first

905
00:40:23,839 --> 00:40:26,640
theory, but according to Mr. Cynical

906
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:29,280
that did not happen. And the third one

907
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:32,000
is a dumpster or trash compactor runoff

908
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:34,480
which doesn't exist. So I I discount

909
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:37,280
that. So, we're left with the original

910
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:40,400
theory that I came up with. And again, I

911
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:44,960
wish it was uh wrong and I want it to be

912
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:47,280
wrong, but at this point, I can't

913
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:51,839
disprove it. Um, so

914
00:40:51,839 --> 00:40:56,880
to uh have some uh recommendations in

915
00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:59,359
terms of this uh I had understood that

916
00:40:59,359 --> 00:41:00,720
there was going to be continuing

917
00:41:00,720 --> 00:41:02,400
testing, you know, like on a monthly

918
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:05,200
basis. I would like to suggest that you

919
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:08,079
don't bother. Uh that's not going to get

920
00:41:08,079 --> 00:41:12,000
you anywhere. Uh the time to test is

921
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,960
next spring when the water comes up, the

922
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:17,920
lake is high, groundwater is high, and

923
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:19,680
the sump pumps are running. And then

924
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:21,839
what we need to do is go into the sump

925
00:41:21,839 --> 00:41:24,400
pump, take a sample right at the sump

926
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:28,720
pump as it comes out. If that's reading

927
00:41:28,720 --> 00:41:32,079
high uh fecal caulifforms

928
00:41:32,079 --> 00:41:35,040
uh or ecoli, we found our our culprit.

929
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:37,359
If it's not, then it's probably

930
00:41:37,359 --> 00:41:41,440
groundwater uh runoff. So, um that's

931
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:42,880
what I would suggest we do in the

932
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:45,839
future. And one other recommendation I

933
00:41:45,839 --> 00:41:48,880
have is that

934
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:51,599
so the basin we have now which is uh the

935
00:41:51,599 --> 00:41:53,839
one in the parking lot we recently

936
00:41:53,839 --> 00:41:57,839
tested it got a high E.coli number. The

937
00:41:57,839 --> 00:42:00,480
thing about fealifform bacteria and

938
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:03,599
E.coli bacteria is rather resilient if

939
00:42:03,599 --> 00:42:08,079
it has a food source. So since that

940
00:42:08,079 --> 00:42:10,880
basin if you will or the inside of that

941
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:15,520
pipe is probably well quot well coated

942
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:18,800
with muck. Okay. And I I I'll call it

943
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:23,119
muk. How's that? Uh and the cifform

944
00:42:23,119 --> 00:42:25,599
bacteria and the e coli can actually

945
00:42:25,599 --> 00:42:28,560
survive, can actually thrive, can

946
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:31,040
actually multiply.

947
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:33,920
And in certain cases, depending on how

948
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:36,960
much food source there is or how much

949
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:39,280
nutrients there are, it can actually

950
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:41,280
winter over.

951
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:45,040
So that right now is contaminated and

952
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:47,599
you can go test it any way you want.

953
00:42:47,599 --> 00:42:50,400
You're going to come up with high eoli,

954
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:54,079
high califform bacteria. My suggestion

955
00:42:54,079 --> 00:42:56,000
is you go in there and you clean that

956
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:58,880
drain out. Get a vacuum.

957
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:00,480
Suck everything out of there. Make sure

958
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:02,800
it's clean. Test it. Make sure there's

959
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:05,920
no nothing there. Next spring when the

960
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:08,640
water comes up and the sump pumps

961
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:12,000
operate, then go test it again and see

962
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:14,160
what you're getting. If it's if you're

963
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:18,079
getting high ecoli, high califform

964
00:43:18,079 --> 00:43:19,839
bacteria,

965
00:43:19,839 --> 00:43:23,280
then I think we have our culprit. And if

966
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:26,000
it does turn out to be the culprit, you

967
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,560
know, there's things you can do

968
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:30,720
that are not requiring you to tear up

969
00:43:30,720 --> 00:43:34,000
the street and replace the pipe. There's

970
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:36,800
something called lining. If the if the

971
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:38,319
thing is cracked because you have a lot

972
00:43:38,319 --> 00:43:42,480
of eye in there and uh and it's leaking,

973
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:45,839
you can reline part of the system to

974
00:43:45,839 --> 00:43:48,480
avoid this situation.

975
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:51,440
And I find it curious.

976
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:53,920
Again, this is just my my engineer in

977
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:57,520
me. Guys did a lot of tests. You guys

978
00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:00,400
did a lot of, you know, other drains,

979
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:04,160
other places. Struck out every time. Why

980
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:06,079
is it that it's always behind the Avery

981
00:44:06,079 --> 00:44:10,000
building that you have this problem?

982
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:13,520
>> You got to ask that question.

983
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:16,400
>> So, that's about all I have. You know,

984
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:18,480
happy to take questions when

985
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:20,319
>> Well, when you do it at the end ready

986
00:44:20,319 --> 00:44:22,000
for it. Thank you, Sebastian. Appreciate

987
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:26,630
it. Mr. Owings,

988
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:30,480
» I'm Jeff Owings, 500 S Road, and I was

989
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:31,520
in charge.

990
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:38,470
>> There you go.

991
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:39,680
» I was in charge of most of the

992
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:42,560
methodology for this report

993
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:44,400
and I want to tell you about some of the

994
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:46,480
methodology that we used to come to the

995
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:49,200
conclusions that we did.

996
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:51,359
I worked in statistical agency for 30

997
00:44:51,359 --> 00:44:54,160
years and the most important thing I

998
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:56,480
always looked at in a report was the

999
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:59,760
methodology. How did they do the test?

1000
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:01,200
How did they come up with the

1001
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:03,040
conclusions? Does it agree with the

1002
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:04,880
research?

1003
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:06,960
So one of the most important components

1004
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:09,440
of the research present presented here

1005
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:11,359
is the methodology that was used to

1006
00:45:11,359 --> 00:45:14,160
collect the data and how the data were

1007
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:16,079
analyzed

1008
00:45:16,079 --> 00:45:18,640
without well documented. I have every

1009
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:21,839
report that's been done, everything that

1010
00:45:21,839 --> 00:45:26,560
I could find research from internet.

1011
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:29,040
Without wellocumented methodology, it is

1012
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:31,760
very difficult to replicate the research

1013
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:33,760
findings.

1014
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:36,800
In our report, we documented the

1015
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:40,240
procedures used to select the data which

1016
00:45:40,240 --> 00:45:43,599
included date, time,

1017
00:45:43,599 --> 00:45:46,319
um data sampling tools used. We went

1018
00:45:46,319 --> 00:45:48,400
down to the exact tools we used, how we

1019
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:52,079
poured it off and delivery time to the

1020
00:45:52,079 --> 00:45:55,680
Euroins data testing group.

1021
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:59,440
We tried to make sure we documented our

1022
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:03,280
methodology so it could be replicated.

1023
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:06,079
We did not rely on expert opinion or

1024
00:46:06,079 --> 00:46:08,160
educated guesses.

1025
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:10,640
For example, we documented how we

1026
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:13,359
collected the data samples. This is

1027
00:46:13,359 --> 00:46:16,640
important because our sample was the key

1028
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:20,960
link that allowed comparisons to samples

1029
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:24,400
that the town had already done and what

1030
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:28,480
they're going to do in the future.

1031
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:31,520
Our sample tested both EC coli and fecal

1032
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:35,599
matter. Fecal matter was up to 2400.

1033
00:46:35,599 --> 00:46:39,760
Ecoli was I think 273.

1034
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:41,920
Without this link, it would not have

1035
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:44,079
been possible to compare E.coli and

1036
00:46:44,079 --> 00:46:46,880
fiscal and fecal matter results over

1037
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:49,040
time.

1038
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:51,280
In taking samples for the Wolfboro dock

1039
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:53,280
parking lot, it is important to use

1040
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:57,680
information such as recent rainfall,

1041
00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:00,560
depth of the lake, and water flow in

1042
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:03,280
underground pipes. What I observed when

1043
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:07,119
we were doing the die testing is

1044
00:47:07,119 --> 00:47:09,920
water wasn't going out because the water

1045
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:12,960
in the lake was above the pipe.

1046
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:15,760
So there was a negative push. So water

1047
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:17,760
wasn't going out. And in the spring

1048
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:22,160
that's even worse. So we don't know

1049
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:24,880
is the water backing up into under the

1050
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:27,760
gravel of the pavement and going all the

1051
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:30,480
way to the street or what's it doing? We

1052
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:33,040
got to figure that out and we got to

1053
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:36,800
find a way to get the water not to set

1054
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:40,240
in the pipes under the catch basins

1055
00:47:40,240 --> 00:47:44,240
because what's happening is the bacteria

1056
00:47:44,240 --> 00:47:45,280
are incubating.

1057
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:47,440
>> That's what he's saying.

1058
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:48,960
So

1059
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:50,480
they,

1060
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:52,560
you know, they reproduce.

1061
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:55,119
Sunshine will kill them. But if they

1062
00:47:55,119 --> 00:47:57,200
have a dark environment, these bacteria

1063
00:47:57,200 --> 00:47:59,359
will reproduce. Then when there's a

1064
00:47:59,359 --> 00:48:01,280
pool, when the lake pushes the water

1065
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:04,880
back up, it goes into these pools and

1066
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:07,760
you will have ecoli infested pools that

1067
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:10,079
people can walk in that cars can go

1068
00:48:10,079 --> 00:48:12,319
through.

1069
00:48:12,319 --> 00:48:13,119
So [snorts]

1070
00:48:13,119 --> 00:48:15,359
we also say we need sufficient time for

1071
00:48:15,359 --> 00:48:18,160
the incubation. We want to we don't want

1072
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:21,520
to test right after a rain. We want to

1073
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:23,040
give it two or three days for the

1074
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:25,599
incubation to happen. So there's enough

1075
00:48:25,599 --> 00:48:28,800
to measure.

1076
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:32,160
And as Sebastian said earlier, a monthly

1077
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:33,760
sample

1078
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:37,440
won't I don't think will make it because

1079
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:39,359
right now for the next four or five

1080
00:48:39,359 --> 00:48:42,240
months, the water level in a lake is

1081
00:48:42,240 --> 00:48:44,000
probably going to be at the pipe level,

1082
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:47,040
the exit pipe level or below it. So

1083
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:50,319
we're not going to get any backflow.

1084
00:48:50,319 --> 00:48:52,800
So what you're testing, you know, water

1085
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:55,200
is running out in these months. It's in

1086
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:58,559
the spring when the water can't get out

1087
00:48:58,559 --> 00:49:01,760
that we're having the problems.

1088
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:04,240
So that's what we're suggesting that the

1089
00:49:04,240 --> 00:49:05,839
real tests are going to happen in the

1090
00:49:05,839 --> 00:49:10,160
spring for both E.coli and um you know

1091
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:12,400
feal matter and it might be from birds.

1092
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:13,920
It might be from we don't know what it's

1093
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:16,960
from. The concern of this report was not

1094
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:18,640
that it was human. We weren't concerned

1095
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:22,160
with human. It was there's ecoli there.

1096
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:24,480
We don't know what type it is. We need

1097
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:27,520
to do something. Thank you,

1098
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:39,190
>> Mr. Owings. Thank you.

1099
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:41,280
» I think we're Well, first of all, thank

1100
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:44,400
you for staying in the time.

1101
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:47,520
Um, if the board has uh the board like

1102
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:49,119
to extend this for a little more

1103
00:49:49,119 --> 00:49:51,119
conversation, I'll entertain that. You

1104
00:49:51,119 --> 00:49:51,760
want to do that?

1105
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:54,319
>> I'd like to make a quick statement.

1106
00:49:54,319 --> 00:49:56,000
You want to go first or do we want the

1107
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:57,599
town manager? You What do you want to

1108
00:49:57,599 --> 00:49:58,640
do? Board members, you want to make a

1109
00:49:58,640 --> 00:49:58,960
statement?

1110
00:49:58,960 --> 00:49:59,760
>> He can go first.

1111
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:02,079
>> Let the town manager do it. [laughter]

1112
00:50:02,079 --> 00:50:03,599
>> Let's let the new guy talk.

1113
00:50:03,599 --> 00:50:04,880
>> Okay.

1114
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:07,670
>> All right. [clears throat]

1115
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:10,720
One thing that I think everybody can

1116
00:50:10,720 --> 00:50:14,960
agree on is there's a drainage issue

1117
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:18,160
down by the buildings on Main Street at

1118
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:20,319
the town docks, right?

1119
00:50:20,319 --> 00:50:23,119
It's a product of an urban environment

1120
00:50:23,119 --> 00:50:26,480
being built right up against the lake.

1121
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:29,920
Um, frankly, it's not surprising to me

1122
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:33,040
that you would find ecoli in a catch

1123
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:36,640
basin in a parking lot

1124
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:40,400
behind businesses that you know are

1125
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:42,640
thriving businesses, restaurants,

1126
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:47,280
people, kids. um

1127
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:49,280
for us to expect that you wouldn't find

1128
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:53,359
it would be somewhat silly.

1129
00:50:53,359 --> 00:50:57,030
Having said that,

1130
00:50:57,040 --> 00:50:59,839
I've spent a good part of my career

1131
00:50:59,839 --> 00:51:04,559
operating a sanitary sore system. Um 60

1132
00:51:04,559 --> 00:51:06,640
miles of

1133
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:09,920
gravity sor lines, pumping stations,

1134
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:13,839
treatment plant. Um,

1135
00:51:13,839 --> 00:51:17,280
and I've had these issues come up before

1136
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:20,640
and I hope I don't regret saying this.

1137
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:22,160
And I'm also going to say never say

1138
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:25,040
never. I don't know if this is true, but

1139
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:28,079
I do think it's highly unlikely that the

1140
00:51:28,079 --> 00:51:31,119
sororine in the street is contributing

1141
00:51:31,119 --> 00:51:35,040
to E.coli behind the buildings. And the

1142
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:37,839
reason I say that is this. So it's a

1143
00:51:37,839 --> 00:51:40,880
gravity sore mane that's in the street.

1144
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:44,240
By definition, what that means is that

1145
00:51:44,240 --> 00:51:48,240
sore mane is not under pressure. It does

1146
00:51:48,240 --> 00:51:50,960
not flow full.

1147
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:54,000
Most of the time the cross-sectional

1148
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:58,000
area of that pipe is empty.

1149
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:02,480
So when the groundwater is elevated,

1150
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:05,359
water is going into the pipe. It's not

1151
00:52:05,359 --> 00:52:09,119
coming out of the pipe. Okay. Um that's

1152
00:52:09,119 --> 00:52:12,720
just the the plain physics of it. If we

1153
00:52:12,720 --> 00:52:15,680
had so much inundation

1154
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:19,280
in that sewer line such that it was

1155
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:21,680
full,

1156
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:23,359
nobody on Main Street could flush a

1157
00:52:23,359 --> 00:52:25,920
toilet. And guess what? The phone would

1158
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:27,440
ring.

1159
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:28,880
I don't I haven't heard that that's

1160
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:32,800
happening anywhere. So, um, based on my

1161
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:35,839
experience, that's what I think.

1162
00:52:35,839 --> 00:52:37,760
Could it could I be wrong? I could be

1163
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:40,319
wrong. I absolutely could be wrong. Um,

1164
00:52:40,319 --> 00:52:42,640
should we test more? Absolutely, we

1165
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:45,119
should test more. Should we become all

1166
00:52:45,119 --> 00:52:48,880
become convinced that it's not uh the

1167
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:51,680
sanitary system that's causing uh, you

1168
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:55,440
know, the ecoli counts? Absolutely. So,

1169
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:57,680
um, I guess that's that's what I would

1170
00:52:57,680 --> 00:53:01,109
have to say.

1171
00:53:01,119 --> 00:53:09,520
So, the only thing I would add is um it concerned me a little that the tests

1172
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:12,319
that our representative, Representative

1173
00:53:12,319 --> 00:53:14,400
Budman,

1174
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:17,839
had done by dees

1175
00:53:17,839 --> 00:53:22,079
out in our dock at two areas, straddling

1176
00:53:22,079 --> 00:53:24,640
one of the pipes. That is the concern.

1177
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:28,640
and over at the beach area were

1178
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:30,480
neglected

1179
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:33,359
by the group and this report because

1180
00:53:33,359 --> 00:53:35,359
they said that it wasn't important to

1181
00:53:35,359 --> 00:53:38,880
them. Well, all tests are important no

1182
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:40,480
matter,

1183
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:45,440
you know, who does the tests or not. Um,

1184
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:47,599
we did have two gentlemen that spoke

1185
00:53:47,599 --> 00:53:49,599
tonight again that said it may be sewer

1186
00:53:49,599 --> 00:53:52,640
cracks. We've had our DPW, we've had

1187
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:54,400
Stantech, we've had our town manager all

1188
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:56,960
said that that's not the way the system

1189
00:53:56,960 --> 00:53:59,520
and hydraology works and they work with

1190
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:01,920
hydrarology on a regular basis. The rest

1191
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:05,760
of us don't. Um

1192
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:08,960
the very first test that was done that

1193
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:11,680
had high high levels, that was the one

1194
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:15,040
where um it was smelled coming out of a

1195
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:18,720
pipe. Um, I took the test results,

1196
00:54:18,720 --> 00:54:20,319
didn't have the liquid, but took the

1197
00:54:20,319 --> 00:54:23,440
test results to UNH. UNH looked at the

1198
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:26,480
test results and said, and they said

1199
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:31,920
based on the um, nitrogen levels and

1200
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:35,119
ammonia levels in that test that it was

1201
00:54:35,119 --> 00:54:39,040
very unlikely that it could be human.

1202
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:42,640
Um, and I know that that puddle is a

1203
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:45,440
contaminated and dirty puddle.

1204
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:47,599
We all know that lots of puddles that

1205
00:54:47,599 --> 00:54:50,559
back up and sit stagnant for a long time

1206
00:54:50,559 --> 00:54:53,280
are very very contaminated.

1207
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:59,119
Um there's questions about how health

1208
00:54:59,119 --> 00:55:03,200
issues are with fecal matter and ecoli.

1209
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:06,640
And I hate to say this, but you do. I go

1210
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:08,720
to the sandwich fair and I go to the

1211
00:55:08,720 --> 00:55:11,359
deer fail fair and I walk through the

1212
00:55:11,359 --> 00:55:14,480
barns and I walk down the streets and I

1213
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:17,839
watch them hosing off the animals with

1214
00:55:17,839 --> 00:55:19,680
manure and water running through the

1215
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:23,040
barns and I watch a thousand people an

1216
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:26,000
hour walk through including kids and

1217
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:28,800
sitting down and eating ice cream and

1218
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:30,800
patting the animals that are rolling

1219
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:32,960
around in their manure. People are not

1220
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:34,800
dropping dead at the Sandwich Fair or

1221
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:36,800
the Topsfield Fair or the Deerfield

1222
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:38,400
Fair.

1223
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:40,480
I don't think, my personal opinion, that

1224
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:42,079
somebody walking through the puddle is

1225
00:55:42,079 --> 00:55:45,200
going to all of a sudden become so sick

1226
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:46,319
that that they're going to be

1227
00:55:46,319 --> 00:55:49,520
hospitalized. It should be taken care

1228
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:52,720
of. It needs to not go into the lake. We

1229
00:55:52,720 --> 00:55:54,559
have an issue with the level of the pipe

1230
00:55:54,559 --> 00:55:55,839
and the level of the lake and the

1231
00:55:55,839 --> 00:56:01,440
backing up as um as uh it was said by

1232
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:05,280
Steve Randall and um and by the the

1233
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:07,040
group tonight and our town manager and

1234
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:09,280
it's going to be taken care of. But we

1235
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:13,599
don't want to have the public

1236
00:56:13,599 --> 00:56:17,280
feel like they are in extreme harm and

1237
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:19,599
danger walking around our town docks

1238
00:56:19,599 --> 00:56:22,559
because that is not the case. Also, so

1239
00:56:22,559 --> 00:56:24,400
that people know, even though the tests

1240
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:26,640
were done and our town docks were found

1241
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:28,559
swimmable,

1242
00:56:28,559 --> 00:56:31,440
the town docks are not for swimming.

1243
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:34,079
There are lots of boats there. There is

1244
00:56:34,079 --> 00:56:36,319
duck and geese contamination that comes

1245
00:56:36,319 --> 00:56:39,359
off of those docks every morning that

1246
00:56:39,359 --> 00:56:41,040
has to be cleaned up so people can use

1247
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:43,359
the docks. And there's how high power

1248
00:56:43,359 --> 00:56:45,520
cables that run underneath those docks

1249
00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:49,680
for when we put in our um our water

1250
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:53,200
bubblers, our air raators to stop ice

1251
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:55,200
from freezing around them. So, it's not

1252
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:57,440
a safe place to swim. So, when someone

1253
00:56:57,440 --> 00:56:59,200
says I wouldn't let my kids swim there,

1254
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:02,000
I hope you they wouldn't because it's no

1255
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:03,760
swimming zone. It's marked that and it's

1256
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:05,839
not a safe place to be. And by the way,

1257
00:57:05,839 --> 00:57:08,640
all marinas around the lake are areas

1258
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:11,680
that I would never swim in or all dock

1259
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:14,720
areas. And that's all

1260
00:57:14,720 --> 00:57:15,920
>> I hang on.

1261
00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:17,839
>> I would like to address the question

1262
00:57:17,839 --> 00:57:20,400
about Miss Budman's participation with

1263
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:22,240
dees.

1264
00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:23,920
There's a reason that that was not in

1265
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:26,640
the report. The reason that was not in

1266
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:28,880
the report is when we delivered the

1267
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:32,160
report to this board on July 1st

1268
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:34,880
following that meeting, Miss Budman

1269
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:39,599
along with Miss Blahett and Sebastian

1270
00:57:39,599 --> 00:57:41,760
and others

1271
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:45,599
met outside. Miss Budman was keenly

1272
00:57:45,599 --> 00:57:47,839
interested in what was going on and

1273
00:57:47,839 --> 00:57:50,079
wanted the details. And I made one very

1274
00:57:50,079 --> 00:57:52,400
specific short statement. If you really

1275
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:54,880
want to know what's going on, take the

1276
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:57,200
time to understand this and then give us

1277
00:57:57,200 --> 00:58:00,079
people to talk to so we can convey how

1278
00:58:00,079 --> 00:58:03,920
the tests were done.

1279
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:06,720
That was the word how it would be done

1280
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:08,160
and there are witnesses to that

1281
00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:11,839
conversation here. What took place was

1282
00:58:11,839 --> 00:58:14,880
that meeting ended, those people left,

1283
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:17,760
Miss Budman left, and I spent the next

1284
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:20,240
several days, was turned into weeks,

1285
00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:22,319
asking, "Where are we on this? Who am I

1286
00:58:22,319 --> 00:58:25,920
going to talk to?" Nothing. Nothing. And

1287
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:30,640
then a test showed up from Mr. Neils of

1288
00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:34,480
Dees, Renie Pelier, Dees. I find it

1289
00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:36,000
curious. They live right in Wolfboro,

1290
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:40,000
but they're ghosts in this process.

1291
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:42,640
Every state rep that I know of was

1292
00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:48,640
copied on this, but nobody thought and I was, but nobody thought to ask us

1293
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:50,960
where did we test, but yet they did

1294
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:52,640
tests in the deep water at the end of

1295
00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:55,359
the docks and at Brewster Beach,

1296
00:58:55,359 --> 00:58:56,960
which is not what we were talking about

1297
00:58:56,960 --> 00:58:59,760
at all. And if you had taken the time

1298
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:02,240
and courtesy to ask the question, you'd

1299
00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:04,400
have gotten that answer from us to not

1300
00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:05,920
waste your energies in the wrong

1301
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:08,799
direction. Now, Mr. Sebastian would like

1302
00:59:08,799 --> 00:59:10,640
to answer one other comment and then

1303
00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:11,839
Linda has a question.

1304
00:59:11,839 --> 00:59:13,680
>> No, I I want to I have to something I

1305
00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:16,000
want to I'll do after he does that has

1306
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:18,559
some history. It's not going at what was

1307
00:59:18,559 --> 00:59:21,750
done.

1308
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:24,240
» Let's have a one-word answer.

1309
00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:25,440
>> Dilution.

1310
00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:25,920
>> Yes.

1311
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:30,079
>> Okay. So if we put

1312
00:59:30,079 --> 00:59:31,359
nasty water

1313
00:59:31,359 --> 00:59:31,760
>> y

1314
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:34,960
>> into out of the pipe in between some

1315
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:37,440
area of the dock, I doubt very much

1316
00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:38,640
you're going to see it at Brewster

1317
00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:40,480
Beach, which is where the testing was

1318
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:43,599
done for this budman, and also near the

1319
00:59:43,599 --> 00:59:45,280
end of the dock, which is where the

1320
00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:47,760
other test was done. As to your comment

1321
00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:50,079
about the nitrogen and ammonia, again, I

1322
00:59:50,079 --> 00:59:53,040
use the same word, dilution. If it truly

1323
00:59:53,040 --> 00:59:55,599
is groundwater, it's contaminated

1324
00:59:55,599 --> 00:59:57,599
groundwater, okay? [snorts] It's not

1325
00:59:57,599 --> 00:59:58,880
going to carry the full load of

1326
00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:02,400
nitrogen. And also, by the way, if it is

1327
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:07,280
uh has any time to ferment, the nitrogen

1328
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:10,400
gets consumed and goes into some other

1329
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:12,720
sort of compound. It doesn't come out as

1330
01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:17,680
pure nitrogen anymore. So no, I don't I

1331
01:00:17,680 --> 01:00:22,960
don't uh and and the last item is that

1332
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:25,040
on that letter that you refer to which

1333
01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:26,240
I've read

1334
01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:28,000
>> which you have

1335
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:31,200
>> given me on numerous times uh I believe

1336
01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:32,880
it was either the first second sentence

1337
01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:34,880
or something like that they say that

1338
01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:36,480
well you really shouldn't be doing this

1339
01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:38,240
you really can't do this but you know as

1340
01:00:38,240 --> 01:00:42,000
an educated guess. Okay so I take it as

1341
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:44,079
that an educated guess. I don't take it

1342
01:00:44,079 --> 01:00:47,040
as gospel. Just like I say what what my

1343
01:00:47,040 --> 01:00:49,359
theory is that it's contaminated

1344
01:00:49,359 --> 01:00:51,520
groundwater. I don't take that as

1345
01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:53,520
gospel. I'm telling you it's a theory.

1346
01:00:53,520 --> 01:00:57,040
It's a thesis. I want to disprove it or

1347
01:00:57,040 --> 01:01:00,000
prove it. One or the other.

1348
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:00,960
>> Thanks, Sebastian.

1349
01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:05,030
>> Second. Jim,

1350
01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:06,400
I understand what you're saying about

1351
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:08,799
the INI, the cracks or whatever, but if

1352
01:01:08,799 --> 01:01:10,640
you have a pipe, and like I told you

1353
01:01:10,640 --> 01:01:12,480
when we had this conversation a few days

1354
01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:14,000
ago,

1355
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:16,559
nobody ever said anything or noticed

1356
01:01:16,559 --> 01:01:19,839
anything about uh contaminated water,

1357
01:01:19,839 --> 01:01:21,839
you know, nasty water or smells coming

1358
01:01:21,839 --> 01:01:24,559
out of that uh pipe under the dock until

1359
01:01:24,559 --> 01:01:27,839
right after we did the water man. So

1360
01:01:27,839 --> 01:01:29,839
when I heard that or when this first

1361
01:01:29,839 --> 01:01:31,359
happened, I said, 'Well, since we just

1362
01:01:31,359 --> 01:01:33,040
did all this street work, is it possible

1363
01:01:33,040 --> 01:01:36,400
that somebody hit the sewer line, is it

1364
01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:38,559
possible that if the sewer line is below

1365
01:01:38,559 --> 01:01:40,319
and they were compacting the ground and

1366
01:01:40,319 --> 01:01:43,040
they were beating it with a uh an

1367
01:01:43,040 --> 01:01:44,799
excavator shovel that they may have

1368
01:01:44,799 --> 01:01:47,839
taken the lowest part of the pipe and

1369
01:01:47,839 --> 01:01:50,559
done that and cracked the bottom of it.

1370
01:01:50,559 --> 01:01:52,640
>> And then wouldn't it leak if there was a

1371
01:01:52,640 --> 01:01:55,359
crack in the bottom of the pipe? not one

1372
01:01:55,359 --> 01:01:57,119
of these small cracks or fissures that

1373
01:01:57,119 --> 01:01:59,680
we're talking about during INI. I don't

1374
01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:02,319
know. I think it's possible. I mean,

1375
01:02:02,319 --> 01:02:03,760
I've seen I've worked around power

1376
01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:05,200
plants. I've seen things you wouldn't

1377
01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:06,880
believe could ever happen, but I've seen

1378
01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:11,280
them. So, that's my rebuttal to all of

1379
01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:14,960
this. It's still a theory. I'm not

1380
01:02:14,960 --> 01:02:22,720
saying it's absolute, but it serves us better if we can test it

1381
01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:24,880
and disprove it.

1382
01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:26,720
Thank you, sir. Thank you, Linda.

1383
01:02:26,720 --> 01:02:28,799
>> Yeah, I I want to go back and do a

1384
01:02:28,799 --> 01:02:30,640
little history and and thank you for

1385
01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:33,520
doing the testing. I you know, we all

1386
01:02:33,520 --> 01:02:35,839
are concerned about the quarter quality

1387
01:02:35,839 --> 01:02:40,000
of our water. But in September in uh

1388
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:43,119
2017, Titan Bomb did an assessment of

1389
01:02:43,119 --> 01:02:45,359
the town docks. Based on that

1390
01:02:45,359 --> 01:02:48,880
assessment, the town started a fourphase

1391
01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:51,839
uh project to repair the town docks. The

1392
01:02:51,839 --> 01:02:54,960
town completed two the first three

1393
01:02:54,960 --> 01:02:58,640
phases. The fourth phase was to repair

1394
01:02:58,640 --> 01:03:02,160
the seaw wall in Smith River and redo

1395
01:03:02,160 --> 01:03:07,200
the parking lot. Co hit in 2022. The

1396
01:03:07,200 --> 01:03:09,599
town developed a large project to

1397
01:03:09,599 --> 01:03:12,480
address water sewer drainage from

1398
01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:15,200
Pickering Corner to the downtown Smith

1399
01:03:15,200 --> 01:03:18,000
River Bridge. The drainage phase

1400
01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:21,680
includes the dockside drainage system.

1401
01:03:21,680 --> 01:03:25,359
In 2023, voters approved the first phase

1402
01:03:25,359 --> 01:03:28,640
of an estimated $12 million water sewer

1403
01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:30,880
drainage project from the Pickering

1404
01:03:30,880 --> 01:03:33,839
Corner to the downtown Smith River with

1405
01:03:33,839 --> 01:03:37,359
state grant funds including ARPA funds

1406
01:03:37,359 --> 01:03:40,720
covering half of a $4 million cost of

1407
01:03:40,720 --> 01:03:44,319
the water phase. In 2024,

1408
01:03:44,319 --> 01:03:48,240
voters approved Warren Article 8 200,000

1409
01:03:48,240 --> 01:03:51,200
and it passed by 66.7%

1410
01:03:51,200 --> 01:03:54,160
to engineer the replacement of that

1411
01:03:54,160 --> 01:03:57,280
sewer line. At a work session on

1412
01:03:57,280 --> 01:04:00,559
September 30th, 2026,

1413
01:04:00,559 --> 01:04:03,359
Steve Randall stated that he submitted

1414
01:04:03,359 --> 01:04:07,359
to the CIP committee the replacement of

1415
01:04:07,359 --> 01:04:10,160
the Pickering Corner to downtown Smith

1416
01:04:10,160 --> 01:04:15,440
River Bridge sewer line for 2027

1417
01:04:15,440 --> 01:04:18,720
and to start the engineering of the

1418
01:04:18,720 --> 01:04:21,119
drainage system which would include the

1419
01:04:21,119 --> 01:04:24,880
dockside parking uh lot drainage. I

1420
01:04:24,880 --> 01:04:27,839
support following that plan and starting

1421
01:04:27,839 --> 01:04:29,920
the engineering work on the drainage

1422
01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:32,160
system from Pickering Corner to the

1423
01:04:32,160 --> 01:04:35,839
downtown bridge which includes the dock

1424
01:04:35,839 --> 01:04:38,240
side. I think it's time for us to have

1425
01:04:38,240 --> 01:04:40,880
our engineers looking at it and coming

1426
01:04:40,880 --> 01:04:42,960
up with a solution which will address

1427
01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:46,640
your concern about our sewer pipe and

1428
01:04:46,640 --> 01:04:49,920
will address our issues in terms of the

1429
01:04:49,920 --> 01:04:53,039
drainage. This is on the table to get

1430
01:04:53,039 --> 01:04:54,960
going. It's important that we get people

1431
01:04:54,960 --> 01:04:57,680
out and support these warrant articles.

1432
01:04:57,680 --> 01:05:01,119
>> The town knows it needs to do something

1433
01:05:01,119 --> 01:05:03,599
in this area and that's where we've been

1434
01:05:03,599 --> 01:05:07,520
working and it sometimes with government

1435
01:05:07,520 --> 01:05:10,400
it takes a long time to get to the right

1436
01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:11,119
place.

1437
01:05:11,119 --> 01:05:15,589
>> Board members, anybody else?

1438
01:05:15,599 --> 01:05:17,119
Dave, Brian,

1439
01:05:17,119 --> 01:05:19,440
>> the only other thing the only thing that

1440
01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:23,039
I want to just reiterate is the test

1441
01:05:23,039 --> 01:05:26,400
from UNH was not a deep water test. It

1442
01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:29,520
was a test that was done for water that

1443
01:05:29,520 --> 01:05:32,000
came directly out of the first pipe that

1444
01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:34,240
was found that's now capped off that had

1445
01:05:34,240 --> 01:05:38,079
high levels. And the test results were

1446
01:05:38,079 --> 01:05:41,520
not diluted based on that water being

1447
01:05:41,520 --> 01:05:44,079
tested. there was not enough nitrogen

1448
01:05:44,079 --> 01:05:47,520
and ammonia in it to say that it was

1449
01:05:47,520 --> 01:05:51,440
human sewage. Whenever we've done a test

1450
01:05:51,440 --> 01:05:53,839
through Stantech or dees or through our

1451
01:05:53,839 --> 01:05:55,680
department of public works, they've

1452
01:05:55,680 --> 01:05:58,079
followed the appropriate standards. Some

1453
01:05:58,079 --> 01:06:00,000
people might not believe them, but they

1454
01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:02,319
have followed the appropriate standards.

1455
01:06:02,319 --> 01:06:06,480
When a test is done, if it has a high

1456
01:06:06,480 --> 01:06:13,039
ecoli or um fecal matter test, they do a

1457
01:06:13,039 --> 01:06:16,000
second test to check for

1458
01:06:16,000 --> 01:06:19,599
uh DNA. Now, it's not none of the tests

1459
01:06:19,599 --> 01:06:22,799
have shown that there's no DNA in it.

1460
01:06:22,799 --> 01:06:26,480
They have shown inclusive what DNA it

1461
01:06:26,480 --> 01:06:30,799
is. They've tested for um dogs, birds,

1462
01:06:30,799 --> 01:06:33,680
and humans and have not found it. But

1463
01:06:33,680 --> 01:06:36,640
they haven't tested for

1464
01:06:36,640 --> 01:06:40,480
other things, rodents, rats,

1465
01:06:40,480 --> 01:06:43,359
other mammals. You can only test for so

1466
01:06:43,359 --> 01:06:45,200
many different things, as Jeff Owen

1467
01:06:45,200 --> 01:06:49,599
said. But we know that it's not human

1468
01:06:49,599 --> 01:06:52,880
septic that has been f every test we've

1469
01:06:52,880 --> 01:06:56,000
done for species or that were analyzed

1470
01:06:56,000 --> 01:06:58,799
even if a species test wasn't done none

1471
01:06:58,799 --> 01:07:03,280
of them have come up with human DNA.

1472
01:07:03,280 --> 01:07:05,599
>> Okay. Uh Brian, thank you for that.

1473
01:07:05,599 --> 01:07:07,440
Thank you for uh for doing this. I'd

1474
01:07:07,440 --> 01:07:12,390
like to just if I could

1475
01:07:12,400 --> 01:07:17,670
add a thought. Um,

1476
01:07:17,680 --> 01:07:21,359
so last week or the week before we had u

1477
01:07:21,359 --> 01:07:25,119
Mr. Randall with his 22 episodes of

1478
01:07:25,119 --> 01:07:28,400
testing. We've had these uh episodes of

1479
01:07:28,400 --> 01:07:31,760
testing. We've had conversations,

1480
01:07:31,760 --> 01:07:33,280
discussions about where it's coming

1481
01:07:33,280 --> 01:07:35,359
from, why it's coming, where it might be

1482
01:07:35,359 --> 01:07:39,440
coming from. Um,

1483
01:07:39,440 --> 01:07:41,280
and again, not to be disrespectful, but

1484
01:07:41,280 --> 01:07:43,119
stop.

1485
01:07:43,119 --> 01:07:45,359
I I'm convinced that there's something

1486
01:07:45,359 --> 01:07:48,240
going on down there.

1487
01:07:48,240 --> 01:07:50,000
Just stop with the baloney. I mean, I'm

1488
01:07:50,000 --> 01:07:52,000
convinced of it. I just don't know

1489
01:07:52,000 --> 01:07:54,880
whether it's a real deal or not. I don't

1490
01:07:54,880 --> 01:07:57,599
know how bad it is. I don't know where

1491
01:07:57,599 --> 01:08:00,400
it's coming from. And I think that when

1492
01:08:00,400 --> 01:08:03,200
I read Derek, when I read u your team's

1493
01:08:03,200 --> 01:08:06,880
report and I and I looked at what we

1494
01:08:06,880 --> 01:08:10,799
discussed the other day with Steve,

1495
01:08:10,799 --> 01:08:12,799
I'm going to steal the line again from

1496
01:08:12,799 --> 01:08:15,119
the town manager.

1497
01:08:15,119 --> 01:08:17,679
You know, if you we're close to each

1498
01:08:17,679 --> 01:08:20,640
other on saying there's a problem,

1499
01:08:20,640 --> 01:08:23,759
something's hosed up.

1500
01:08:23,759 --> 01:08:25,600
A project is going through capital

1501
01:08:25,600 --> 01:08:27,679
improvement

1502
01:08:27,679 --> 01:08:29,759
and it's up to the town manager and

1503
01:08:29,759 --> 01:08:31,520
Steve and you folks to decide how you

1504
01:08:31,520 --> 01:08:34,400
want to collaborate on how that project

1505
01:08:34,400 --> 01:08:36,640
gets realized.

1506
01:08:36,640 --> 01:08:38,640
Do we do drainage first? Do we do sewer

1507
01:08:38,640 --> 01:08:41,520
first? Where do we start? That project

1508
01:08:41,520 --> 01:08:43,279
right now is at the capital improvement

1509
01:08:43,279 --> 01:08:44,799
stage and it's going to go on a Warren

1510
01:08:44,799 --> 01:08:47,279
article this year unless we five of us

1511
01:08:47,279 --> 01:08:49,440
decide we don't want to do that and I

1512
01:08:49,440 --> 01:08:51,600
bet you we'd get

1513
01:08:51,600 --> 01:08:55,279
>> we get thrown out the window. Um

1514
01:08:55,279 --> 01:08:57,440
throwing money at the problem is a dumb

1515
01:08:57,440 --> 01:08:59,920
idea.

1516
01:08:59,920 --> 01:09:02,960
You guys generic term including Suzanne

1517
01:09:02,960 --> 01:09:06,159
you guys are invested in it.

1518
01:09:06,159 --> 01:09:09,279
We're invested in it. In my opinion,

1519
01:09:09,279 --> 01:09:11,199
it's coming through CIP. It's going to

1520
01:09:11,199 --> 01:09:12,799
come out the door for engineering and

1521
01:09:12,799 --> 01:09:14,400
design.

1522
01:09:14,400 --> 01:09:16,640
Whether you believe or don't believe,

1523
01:09:16,640 --> 01:09:19,359
you know, the engineering firms we use,

1524
01:09:19,359 --> 01:09:22,480
you know, have at it.

1525
01:09:22,480 --> 01:09:24,640
But we I think, you know, I think

1526
01:09:24,640 --> 01:09:26,719
they're good people.

1527
01:09:26,719 --> 01:09:36,080
So we got to move towards

1528
01:09:36,080 --> 01:09:38,960
a solution.

1529
01:09:38,960 --> 01:09:42,400
We're debating data.

1530
01:09:42,400 --> 01:09:44,480
Our data, your data, what time of day

1531
01:09:44,480 --> 01:09:46,480
you took it, custody of uh of the

1532
01:09:46,480 --> 01:09:48,239
samples, where it should have been done,

1533
01:09:48,239 --> 01:09:50,960
where it didn't get done. I'm I'm

1534
01:09:50,960 --> 01:09:53,040
personally and and you know, Mr.

1535
01:09:53,040 --> 01:09:54,880
Thirsten,

1536
01:09:54,880 --> 01:09:56,480
I remember when he was on the planning

1537
01:09:56,480 --> 01:09:58,239
board,

1538
01:09:58,239 --> 01:10:00,000
was barking about this a couple of years

1539
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:01,600
ago, saying, "We got to do something in

1540
01:10:01,600 --> 01:10:04,320
that parking lot." I remember Linda

1541
01:10:04,320 --> 01:10:05,679
saying, "We got to do something in that

1542
01:10:05,679 --> 01:10:07,199
parking lot."

1543
01:10:07,199 --> 01:10:08,880
>> Well, it's now time to start spending

1544
01:10:08,880 --> 01:10:10,320
money if you want to do something in

1545
01:10:10,320 --> 01:10:12,560
that parking lot. I don't know whether

1546
01:10:12,560 --> 01:10:13,840
it's coming out of the Latchaw building

1547
01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:16,320
or coming out of the Avery building. I I

1548
01:10:16,320 --> 01:10:17,679
don't know whether we have a seam under

1549
01:10:17,679 --> 01:10:18,800
to your point, I don't know. We have a

1550
01:10:18,800 --> 01:10:21,120
seam underneath a sewer line. I don't

1551
01:10:21,120 --> 01:10:25,600
know. You just got to go find it out.

1552
01:10:25,600 --> 01:10:27,600
And that's what an engineering and

1553
01:10:27,600 --> 01:10:30,000
design

1554
01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:32,000
um

1555
01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:34,640
initiative should be all about. And Jim

1556
01:10:34,640 --> 01:10:36,159
has only been here now, I think it's a

1557
01:10:36,159 --> 01:10:39,280
week and four days, five days. Um and

1558
01:10:39,280 --> 01:10:41,280
he's going to have to get enscconced in

1559
01:10:41,280 --> 01:10:43,920
what's going through CIP.

1560
01:10:43,920 --> 01:10:46,239
Um

1561
01:10:46,239 --> 01:10:47,840
and that's about all I have to say about

1562
01:10:47,840 --> 01:10:50,239
it. I think I I like the idea we should

1563
01:10:50,239 --> 01:10:51,760
do the testing in the springtime. Some

1564
01:10:51,760 --> 01:10:53,120
people say should we do testing next

1565
01:10:53,120 --> 01:10:54,560
month. I really don't give a rat's

1566
01:10:54,560 --> 01:10:57,040
ankle. I just want to know what the

1567
01:10:57,040 --> 01:10:58,960
solution is and I want to have a

1568
01:10:58,960 --> 01:11:01,280
fullthroated debate with all of the

1569
01:11:01,280 --> 01:11:04,080
people who have relevancy

1570
01:11:04,080 --> 01:11:07,440
to the question, not irrelevancy to the

1571
01:11:07,440 --> 01:11:08,960
question.

1572
01:11:08,960 --> 01:11:10,400
So that's kind of where I come out on

1573
01:11:10,400 --> 01:11:11,920
it. Thank you very much for doing this

1574
01:11:11,920 --> 01:11:13,440
and I appreciate your report because

1575
01:11:13,440 --> 01:11:14,880
when I read your recommend your summary

1576
01:11:14,880 --> 01:11:16,640
and your recommendations, I couldn't

1577
01:11:16,640 --> 01:11:18,960
help but believe that we're close. I

1578
01:11:18,960 --> 01:11:20,400
mean, we're not we're not we're not in

1579
01:11:20,400 --> 01:11:21,920
two different parts of the country here.

1580
01:11:21,920 --> 01:11:23,760
We're not in two different zip codes.

1581
01:11:23,760 --> 01:11:26,080
We're pretty close.

1582
01:11:26,080 --> 01:11:28,340
I just encourage us all to put the the

1583
01:11:28,340 --> 01:11:30,560
[clears throat] personal stuff down and

1584
01:11:30,560 --> 01:11:33,920
we'll do the best we can on my side and

1585
01:11:33,920 --> 01:11:36,960
uh move forward. Thank you everybody.

1586
01:11:36,960 --> 01:11:39,760
Next item on our agenda is grant

1587
01:11:39,760 --> 01:11:41,199
language update. I'm going to read

1588
01:11:41,199 --> 01:11:43,360
something into the record to correct a

1589
01:11:43,360 --> 01:11:45,920
motion and this is for the Wolf Bro

1590
01:11:45,920 --> 01:11:49,280
Police Highway Safety Grant. So, Captain

1591
01:11:49,280 --> 01:11:50,880
Libby, you wrote this for us and if I

1592
01:11:50,880 --> 01:11:54,080
get it wrong again, just throw something

1593
01:11:54,080 --> 01:11:56,080
at me. The select board in a majority

1594
01:11:56,080 --> 01:11:57,840
vote accepted the terms of the highway

1595
01:11:57,840 --> 01:11:59,840
safety grant as presented in the amount

1596
01:11:59,840 --> 01:12:02,800
of $11,000.

1597
01:12:02,800 --> 01:12:05,120
Did I get that right?

1598
01:12:05,120 --> 01:12:07,120
We have to do that because people who uh

1599
01:12:07,120 --> 01:12:08,800
write grants and approve grants are

1600
01:12:08,800 --> 01:12:11,760
pretty uh pretty specific about what you

1601
01:12:11,760 --> 01:12:14,159
have to do.

1602
01:12:14,159 --> 01:12:17,199
Next item on the agenda is the uh rural

1603
01:12:17,199 --> 01:12:18,159
roads committee.

1604
01:12:18,159 --> 01:12:19,920
>> Mr. Chair, excuse me,

1605
01:12:19,920 --> 01:12:21,520
>> Mr. Town Manager.

1606
01:12:21,520 --> 01:12:24,719
>> I I did want to actually propose a

1607
01:12:24,719 --> 01:12:27,840
slight edit um to that motion.

1608
01:12:27,840 --> 01:12:31,600
>> Oh, no. Not to the captain. [laughter]

1609
01:12:31,600 --> 01:12:33,920
It's it's very similar, but it would

1610
01:12:33,920 --> 01:12:37,760
just make it um 100% clear. And so the

1611
01:12:37,760 --> 01:12:41,280
language is to vote to accept the terms

1612
01:12:41,280 --> 01:12:43,600
of the highway safety grant as

1613
01:12:43,600 --> 01:12:47,040
prescribed in the amount of $11 million

1614
01:12:47,040 --> 01:12:49,280
>> and to authorize the town manager to do

1615
01:12:49,280 --> 01:12:52,159
all things to effectuate the grant,

1616
01:12:52,159 --> 01:12:55,360
including applying and receiving funds.

1617
01:12:55,360 --> 01:12:56,320
>> So moved.

1618
01:12:56,320 --> 01:12:57,600
>> Second.

1619
01:12:57,600 --> 01:12:59,760
>> It wasn't 11 million though, was it? I I

1620
01:12:59,760 --> 01:13:02,159
was going to say it's not 11 million.

1621
01:13:02,159 --> 01:13:03,440
>> 11,000. I'm sorry.

1622
01:13:03,440 --> 01:13:04,400
>> It was 11 million.

1623
01:13:04,400 --> 01:13:05,040
>> As amended.

1624
01:13:05,040 --> 01:13:06,239
[laughter]

1625
01:13:06,239 --> 01:13:07,679
>> All right. So, we have a motion.

1626
01:13:07,679 --> 01:13:09,040
>> I want 11 million.

1627
01:13:09,040 --> 01:13:10,880
>> For $11,000. You want to read it one

1628
01:13:10,880 --> 01:13:12,000
more time, sir?

1629
01:13:12,000 --> 01:13:13,920
>> Yes. Vote to accept the terms of the

1630
01:13:13,920 --> 01:13:16,159
highway safety grant as presented in the

1631
01:13:16,159 --> 01:13:18,239
amount of $11,000

1632
01:13:18,239 --> 01:13:20,400
and to authorize the town manager to do

1633
01:13:20,400 --> 01:13:23,440
all things to effectuate the grant,

1634
01:13:23,440 --> 01:13:25,679
including applying and receiving funds.

1635
01:13:25,679 --> 01:13:28,080
Could I get the board member to uh make

1636
01:13:28,080 --> 01:13:29,440
that as a motion, please?

1637
01:13:29,440 --> 01:13:30,800
>> I so moved.

1638
01:13:30,800 --> 01:13:33,360
>> Can I get a second? Thank you.

1639
01:13:33,360 --> 01:13:34,960
>> Any conversation?

1640
01:13:34,960 --> 01:13:36,800
>> All those in favor? I

1641
01:13:36,800 --> 01:13:38,640
>> Thank you very much.

1642
01:13:38,640 --> 01:13:39,840
>> Thanks, Jim. Appreciate that.

1643
01:13:39,840 --> 01:13:40,239
>> Sure.

1644
01:13:40,239 --> 01:13:41,440
>> All right. The next item on the agenda

1645
01:13:41,440 --> 01:13:45,270
is Rural Roads Committee.

1646
01:13:45,280 --> 01:13:48,000
» Yes. I I'll speak to it since I was the

1647
01:13:48,000 --> 01:13:52,480
select person who put out the ad. Um and

1648
01:13:52,480 --> 01:13:54,719
I would like to table it. I got here

1649
01:13:54,719 --> 01:13:57,440
tonight to find the list of people. We

1650
01:13:57,440 --> 01:14:01,040
only got a couple in our our packet. Um

1651
01:14:01,040 --> 01:14:04,719
and um I just would like to have a mix

1652
01:14:04,719 --> 01:14:06,880
of people from all areas and there's

1653
01:14:06,880 --> 01:14:08,719
some people and roads. I'm not quite

1654
01:14:08,719 --> 01:14:11,600
sure where there are. If not, if the

1655
01:14:11,600 --> 01:14:13,199
board doesn't want to do that, we can

1656
01:14:13,199 --> 01:14:16,480
just kind of go down through. I will say

1657
01:14:16,480 --> 01:14:18,640
I will call the first meeting to order

1658
01:14:18,640 --> 01:14:20,480
and whoever's on it, somebody else is

1659
01:14:20,480 --> 01:14:22,560
going to chair it. I'm just the person

1660
01:14:22,560 --> 01:14:24,560
who's going to get the the committee

1661
01:14:24,560 --> 01:14:25,040
established.

1662
01:14:25,040 --> 01:14:26,800
>> So, we have a uh Have you made the

1663
01:14:26,800 --> 01:14:27,920
motion, Linda?

1664
01:14:27,920 --> 01:14:29,760
>> I I just want Why don't we first make

1665
01:14:29,760 --> 01:14:31,679
comments before I make the motion? I

1666
01:14:31,679 --> 01:14:32,960
don't know where the rest of me are.

1667
01:14:32,960 --> 01:14:34,640
That's what I'm feeling. I didn't have a

1668
01:14:34,640 --> 01:14:36,400
chance to really look at it, but if

1669
01:14:36,400 --> 01:14:38,320
everybody else is comfortable, I would

1670
01:14:38,320 --> 01:14:40,560
move ahead. If they aren't agree with

1671
01:14:40,560 --> 01:14:43,360
me, then I will make a motion to table.

1672
01:14:43,360 --> 01:14:45,280
>> The uh first item is just for the

1673
01:14:45,280 --> 01:14:47,440
benefit of those people who are signing

1674
01:14:47,440 --> 01:14:50,960
up. um we

1675
01:14:50,960 --> 01:14:52,800
have kind of taken it as a practice and

1676
01:14:52,800 --> 01:14:54,239
I don't know if it's a policy but a

1677
01:14:54,239 --> 01:14:56,000
practice

1678
01:14:56,000 --> 01:14:58,320
that select board members don't chair

1679
01:14:58,320 --> 01:15:01,120
committees

1680
01:15:01,120 --> 01:15:02,560
that members of the public chair

1681
01:15:02,560 --> 01:15:04,400
committees

1682
01:15:04,400 --> 01:15:06,800
and um so that's what Linda was saying

1683
01:15:06,800 --> 01:15:09,600
is the first meeting

1684
01:15:09,600 --> 01:15:11,920
the first person to speak comes the

1685
01:15:11,920 --> 01:15:12,320
chair

1686
01:15:12,320 --> 01:15:15,920
>> has to be chair could be a short meeting

1687
01:15:15,920 --> 01:15:19,040
um so with that uh board members uh what

1688
01:15:19,040 --> 01:15:21,199
do you want to do

1689
01:15:21,199 --> 01:15:21,840
>> John?

1690
01:15:21,840 --> 01:15:24,159
>> So you have you have seven names on this

1691
01:15:24,159 --> 01:15:26,960
list. Are these the are these the seven

1692
01:15:26,960 --> 01:15:29,440
that have contacted us to be on the

1693
01:15:29,440 --> 01:15:30,159
committee?

1694
01:15:30,159 --> 01:15:30,880
>> That's correct.

1695
01:15:30,880 --> 01:15:31,199
>> Correct.

1696
01:15:31,199 --> 01:15:33,840
>> And we said that we were going to

1697
01:15:33,840 --> 01:15:36,159
convene a committee.

1698
01:15:36,159 --> 01:15:39,040
>> The people have spoken who want to be on

1699
01:15:39,040 --> 01:15:40,640
the committee.

1700
01:15:40,640 --> 01:15:43,199
>> So I would make a motion to adopt all

1701
01:15:43,199 --> 01:15:45,280
these names for the rural roads

1702
01:15:45,280 --> 01:15:47,199
committee.

1703
01:15:47,199 --> 01:15:52,630
I have a motion.

1704
01:15:52,640 --> 01:15:57,040
» Well, we didn't specify how many.

1705
01:15:57,040 --> 01:15:59,600
>> I thought we talked about five and then

1706
01:15:59,600 --> 01:16:03,360
with myself and Steve Randall was what I

1707
01:16:03,360 --> 01:16:05,520
thought that made the seven that I think

1708
01:16:05,520 --> 01:16:07,920
we talked about last time.

1709
01:16:07,920 --> 01:16:08,159
>> Yeah.

1710
01:16:08,159 --> 01:16:10,159
>> I mean, we can change it. That's

1711
01:16:10,159 --> 01:16:10,880
>> Yeah. Right.

1712
01:16:10,880 --> 01:16:12,800
>> You know,

1713
01:16:12,800 --> 01:16:15,600
>> Mr. Thirsten has a motion. I'll second

1714
01:16:15,600 --> 01:16:16,000
that.

1715
01:16:16,000 --> 01:16:18,159
>> We have a motion and a second

1716
01:16:18,159 --> 01:16:21,040
conversation.

1717
01:16:21,040 --> 01:16:23,600
>> I just think that there are a lot in the

1718
01:16:23,600 --> 01:16:27,120
same area. Um,

1719
01:16:27,120 --> 01:16:31,520
and that means that the votes go

1720
01:16:31,520 --> 01:16:33,120
in a certain way and that's what

1721
01:16:33,120 --> 01:16:35,280
concerns me. That's why we were going to

1722
01:16:35,280 --> 01:16:38,239
kind of spread it out. But if that's the

1723
01:16:38,239 --> 01:16:40,719
majority of the board, I I I can go on.

1724
01:16:40,719 --> 01:16:40,880
I

1725
01:16:40,880 --> 01:16:42,960
>> mean, this this is advisory. Am I

1726
01:16:42,960 --> 01:16:43,360
correct?

1727
01:16:43,360 --> 01:16:46,800
>> Correct. But we're trying to figure out

1728
01:16:46,800 --> 01:16:50,000
how we want to put together the

1729
01:16:50,000 --> 01:16:53,199
guidelines that we hope will control

1730
01:16:53,199 --> 01:16:55,600
what happens.

1731
01:16:55,600 --> 01:16:56,560
>> Anybody else?

1732
01:16:56,560 --> 01:16:57,120
>> Yep.

1733
01:16:57,120 --> 01:16:57,600
>> John.

1734
01:16:57,600 --> 01:17:01,040
>> So I think what we see here is we have

1735
01:17:01,040 --> 01:17:04,320
equal representation to each road in the

1736
01:17:04,320 --> 01:17:08,800
area. Actually, Mr. Dohy, Mr. Hopewell,

1737
01:17:08,800 --> 01:17:10,480
uh I don't know where Mr. Bower is,

1738
01:17:10,480 --> 01:17:12,560
Kayla Hewitt, and Mr. Rosener. They all

1739
01:17:12,560 --> 01:17:14,560
live on all different rural roads

1740
01:17:14,560 --> 01:17:17,120
>> in the in North Wolf Bar.

1741
01:17:17,120 --> 01:17:18,800
>> Are there other rural roads in town?

1742
01:17:18,800 --> 01:17:22,159
That was my my concern. But

1743
01:17:22,159 --> 01:17:24,880
>> I would vote them all in or if that's

1744
01:17:24,880 --> 01:17:27,040
where the majority wants. That's why I

1745
01:17:27,040 --> 01:17:28,800
asked for us to have a conversation.

1746
01:17:28,800 --> 01:17:30,640
>> So I'm I'm I'm having the conversation

1747
01:17:30,640 --> 01:17:32,480
with you and I think that's where most

1748
01:17:32,480 --> 01:17:35,440
of our rural roads are uh the focus

1749
01:17:35,440 --> 01:17:39,669
right now.

1750
01:17:39,679 --> 01:17:41,760
» Anybody else?

1751
01:17:41,760 --> 01:17:43,199
my name on that list.

1752
01:17:43,199 --> 01:17:49,030
>> No, it's not Charlene.

1753
01:17:49,040 --> 01:17:51,840
» Well, we had See, we had a date,

1754
01:17:51,840 --> 01:17:52,480
>> right,

1755
01:17:52,480 --> 01:17:56,800
>> of October 2nd.

1756
01:17:56,800 --> 01:17:58,719
>> All right, it's closed. I'd just like to

1757
01:17:58,719 --> 01:18:01,280
remind the select board that at the very

1758
01:18:01,280 --> 01:18:04,159
first meeting last April when you

1759
01:18:04,159 --> 01:18:06,640
establish you voted to establish this

1760
01:18:06,640 --> 01:18:09,360
committee, I stood up in front of this

1761
01:18:09,360 --> 01:18:12,719
assembly and publicly volunteered to

1762
01:18:12,719 --> 01:18:15,040
serve on that committee and I

1763
01:18:15,040 --> 01:18:17,360
>> would be surprised if all of you managed

1764
01:18:17,360 --> 01:18:21,110
to forget that.

1765
01:18:21,120 --> 01:18:22,000
» Okay. Well,

1766
01:18:22,000 --> 01:18:25,920
>> I didn't forget that, Charlene. And uh

1767
01:18:25,920 --> 01:18:31,199
the the discussion was rebrought up

1768
01:18:31,199 --> 01:18:32,880
after

1769
01:18:32,880 --> 01:18:34,880
uh a month ago.

1770
01:18:34,880 --> 01:18:37,120
>> Well, her name isn't on here. So,

1771
01:18:37,120 --> 01:18:40,000
>> so if I would add her name to it because

1772
01:18:40,000 --> 01:18:40,560
she did

1773
01:18:40,560 --> 01:18:44,080
>> Okay, that's that's I'm I'm fine with it

1774
01:18:44,080 --> 01:18:46,080
because I think I remember you do

1775
01:18:46,080 --> 01:18:49,120
standing up. We did put an I did have an

1776
01:18:49,120 --> 01:18:52,000
ad in the in on the town website and it

1777
01:18:52,000 --> 01:18:55,679
was in the paper and it was October 2nd

1778
01:18:55,679 --> 01:18:58,880
was the date

1779
01:18:58,880 --> 01:19:04,159
is too much information.

1780
01:19:04,159 --> 01:19:06,159
So, if there's too many people on the on

1781
01:19:06,159 --> 01:19:09,440
the list, is that is that too many?

1782
01:19:09,440 --> 01:19:12,800
You're you're asking for people to

1783
01:19:12,800 --> 01:19:15,199
be a part of a committee and they all

1784
01:19:15,199 --> 01:19:17,320
represent a different area of the town

1785
01:19:17,320 --> 01:19:19,199
[snorts] and they're they're all road

1786
01:19:19,199 --> 01:19:21,840
owners of different locations, I don't

1787
01:19:21,840 --> 01:19:24,000
really see the problem. If they if they

1788
01:19:24,000 --> 01:19:25,440
want to drop out on the committee and

1789
01:19:25,440 --> 01:19:26,800
they think that there's too many people

1790
01:19:26,800 --> 01:19:29,520
and they can't get together, then then

1791
01:19:29,520 --> 01:19:32,159
let them decide that. I

1792
01:19:32,159 --> 01:19:33,760
>> a hand just went up in the audience of

1793
01:19:33,760 --> 01:19:36,400
another person. [snorts]

1794
01:19:36,400 --> 01:19:40,320
>> Well, I whatever. You know, I think we I

1795
01:19:40,320 --> 01:19:43,679
think you set a time frame. You you you

1796
01:19:43,679 --> 01:19:45,520
advertise for it and people need to

1797
01:19:45,520 --> 01:19:47,760
respond and then all of a sudden anybody

1798
01:19:47,760 --> 01:19:51,920
comes to a meeting. You know, I

1799
01:19:51,920 --> 01:19:53,199
>> I think we should just

1800
01:19:53,199 --> 01:19:55,360
>> I read that I read that notice at a

1801
01:19:55,360 --> 01:19:58,640
meeting so people would know it. Um I

1802
01:19:58,640 --> 01:20:00,550
don't care how many people are on it.

1803
01:20:00,550 --> 01:20:00,640
>> [music]

1804
01:20:00,640 --> 01:20:02,719
>> We had talked as a board, the reason I

1805
01:20:02,719 --> 01:20:04,320
brought this up, we had talked to the

1806
01:20:04,320 --> 01:20:06,239
board about the number. We had a long

1807
01:20:06,239 --> 01:20:09,280
discussion about whether the public

1808
01:20:09,280 --> 01:20:11,600
works director could be on it. This is

1809
01:20:11,600 --> 01:20:14,000
what we had said. That is why I came

1810
01:20:14,000 --> 01:20:16,800
forward and may and am talking about it

1811
01:20:16,800 --> 01:20:19,520
now. If we want to put them all on,

1812
01:20:19,520 --> 01:20:21,920
that's fine. But I was going from what

1813
01:20:21,920 --> 01:20:23,679
we had said prior.

1814
01:20:23,679 --> 01:20:25,760
>> So I I would do it two ways. Two

1815
01:20:25,760 --> 01:20:27,280
different ways. You can either put them

1816
01:20:27,280 --> 01:20:29,840
all on or you can take and we have if

1817
01:20:29,840 --> 01:20:32,239
Derek is now on wants to be on two. You

1818
01:20:32,239 --> 01:20:34,400
got one, two, three, four, five, six,

1819
01:20:34,400 --> 01:20:35,920
seven, eight, nine.

1820
01:20:35,920 --> 01:20:36,640
>> Stacy.

1821
01:20:36,640 --> 01:20:38,540
wants to be on too.

1822
01:20:38,540 --> 01:20:39,040
[clears throat]

1823
01:20:39,040 --> 01:20:42,080
>> Oh, does Derek want to be on? Stacy.

1824
01:20:42,080 --> 01:20:43,920
Okay, so here we go. It's it's it's

1825
01:20:43,920 --> 01:20:47,679
growing. One, two, hold on. One, two,

1826
01:20:47,679 --> 01:20:49,760
three, four, five, six, seven, eight,

1827
01:20:49,760 --> 01:20:52,719
nine, 10 in addition to Steve, Randall,

1828
01:20:52,719 --> 01:20:56,239
and Linda. So I would say that at our

1829
01:20:56,239 --> 01:20:59,600
next meeting we take 10 [snorts] names

1830
01:20:59,600 --> 01:21:02,880
in a hat, we draw them out and and we

1831
01:21:02,880 --> 01:21:04,480
pick out five and then you have a

1832
01:21:04,480 --> 01:21:05,440
committee of seven.

1833
01:21:05,440 --> 01:21:09,120
>> There's a question in the audience.

1834
01:21:09,120 --> 01:21:10,960
>> We're we're discussing it here, John.

1835
01:21:10,960 --> 01:21:11,360
>> Yeah.

1836
01:21:11,360 --> 01:21:12,880
>> Well, we just let people from the

1837
01:21:12,880 --> 01:21:15,920
audience come up. We people stand up.

1838
01:21:15,920 --> 01:21:18,400
>> You know, my feeling is if he raises his

1839
01:21:18,400 --> 01:21:19,840
hand, he should be able to say it

1840
01:21:19,840 --> 01:21:21,520
because you let people stand up and come

1841
01:21:21,520 --> 01:21:23,520
to the phone.

1842
01:21:23,520 --> 01:21:24,960
got a question.

1843
01:21:24,960 --> 01:21:26,159
>> I [snorts] mean, I think that's a fair

1844
01:21:26,159 --> 01:21:31,270
way to do it is pick five out of a hat.

1845
01:21:31,280 --> 01:21:32,719
» Well, [cough and clears throat] either

1846
01:21:32,719 --> 01:21:35,360
>> all Russer Wolfsboro,

1847
01:21:35,360 --> 01:21:38,159
>> uh, the suggestion that you've made, Mr.

1848
01:21:38,159 --> 01:21:39,679
Duche is poor.

1849
01:21:39,679 --> 01:21:41,520
>> You don't choose is poor.

1850
01:21:41,520 --> 01:21:43,440
>> Well, I said all or pick it out of a

1851
01:21:43,440 --> 01:21:45,120
hat.

1852
01:21:45,120 --> 01:21:46,960
>> You pick out the people who you think

1853
01:21:46,960 --> 01:21:48,800
are best suited. Okay, that's number

1854
01:21:48,800 --> 01:21:51,440
one. Number two,

1855
01:21:51,440 --> 01:21:53,440
uh I think correct me if I'm wrong, Mrs.

1856
01:21:53,440 --> 01:21:55,520
Murray, but we've convened such a

1857
01:21:55,520 --> 01:21:57,120
committee in 2018.

1858
01:21:57,120 --> 01:21:57,840
>> We did.

1859
01:21:57,840 --> 01:22:00,239
And I was a member of that

1860
01:22:00,239 --> 01:22:02,800
committee, that committee worked

1861
01:22:02,800 --> 01:22:05,600
>> amicably and amiably together. And the

1862
01:22:05,600 --> 01:22:08,239
only thing I would say as to the numbers

1863
01:22:08,239 --> 01:22:10,639
>> is that in a committee like this, at any

1864
01:22:10,639 --> 01:22:13,280
given meeting of the committee,

1865
01:22:13,280 --> 01:22:15,920
two, three, four people don't show up.

1866
01:22:15,920 --> 01:22:17,760
>> So you're not going to have 10 people

1867
01:22:17,760 --> 01:22:19,760
there. And that's perfectly explainable.

1868
01:22:19,760 --> 01:22:21,679
It's understandable that the work of the

1869
01:22:21,679 --> 01:22:24,480
committee can go forward because the

1870
01:22:24,480 --> 01:22:27,120
members who are there assembled have a

1871
01:22:27,120 --> 01:22:28,800
common consciousness of what's been

1872
01:22:28,800 --> 01:22:30,719
discussed and what the next meeting

1873
01:22:30,719 --> 01:22:32,639
might be about. So I think that solves

1874
01:22:32,639 --> 01:22:34,239
the problem of the number.

1875
01:22:34,239 --> 01:22:34,800
>> Thank you.

1876
01:22:34,800 --> 01:22:37,280
>> Thanks Claude. And well, I would say

1877
01:22:37,280 --> 01:22:40,159
this of the people on this list, I am

1878
01:22:40,159 --> 01:22:42,639
not going to discount any as not being

1879
01:22:42,639 --> 01:22:45,040
capable because that would be very, I

1880
01:22:45,040 --> 01:22:49,280
think, um, pompous of me to say that

1881
01:22:49,280 --> 01:22:52,480
some people are more intelligent or more

1882
01:22:52,480 --> 01:22:54,480
suited to be on a committee than others.

1883
01:22:54,480 --> 01:22:56,560
I wouldn't know what they would bring

1884
01:22:56,560 --> 01:22:58,080
until they came to the committee and

1885
01:22:58,080 --> 01:23:00,000
spoke and and and showed up.

1886
01:23:00,000 --> 01:23:00,400
>> Great.

1887
01:23:00,400 --> 01:23:03,360
>> So, if you want all of them, then have

1888
01:23:03,360 --> 01:23:03,840
all of them,

1889
01:23:03,840 --> 01:23:06,239
>> Linda? Well, you know, I I believe with

1890
01:23:06,239 --> 01:23:09,440
Stacy Pope on here, it gives some to

1891
01:23:09,440 --> 01:23:12,000
another section of town, and that's kind

1892
01:23:12,000 --> 01:23:14,159
of what I think there needs to be some

1893
01:23:14,159 --> 01:23:15,920
kind of a balance. That was one of my

1894
01:23:15,920 --> 01:23:17,520
problems with the first group. Thank

1895
01:23:17,520 --> 01:23:18,560
you,

1896
01:23:18,560 --> 01:23:20,800
>> son.

1897
01:23:20,800 --> 01:23:22,480
>> But you said it earlier, Linda, there

1898
01:23:22,480 --> 01:23:24,639
was a date set for people to sign up.

1899
01:23:24,639 --> 01:23:26,320
>> Yes, I did.

1900
01:23:26,320 --> 01:23:27,440
>> They did not.

1901
01:23:27,440 --> 01:23:29,360
>> That's correct.

1902
01:23:29,360 --> 01:23:32,560
So, if we keep going to our meetings and

1903
01:23:32,560 --> 01:23:34,239
people keep volunteering and

1904
01:23:34,239 --> 01:23:36,159
volunteering, some of these committees

1905
01:23:36,159 --> 01:23:37,440
are going to get out of hand. But I

1906
01:23:37,440 --> 01:23:40,159
don't have a problem with the numbers. I

1907
01:23:40,159 --> 01:23:41,760
think they're all from that general

1908
01:23:41,760 --> 01:23:43,840
area.

1909
01:23:43,840 --> 01:23:46,400
Some of them have buted heads in the

1910
01:23:46,400 --> 01:23:47,280
past.

1911
01:23:47,280 --> 01:23:48,080
>> It's okay.

1912
01:23:48,080 --> 01:23:49,760
>> So, and I don't have a problem with

1913
01:23:49,760 --> 01:23:51,920
that. I don't I don't really care how

1914
01:23:51,920 --> 01:23:53,679
many are on it. I think we ought to get

1915
01:23:53,679 --> 01:23:55,120
it started.

1916
01:23:55,120 --> 01:23:57,040
>> Stand. Mr. Pardon, would you introduce

1917
01:23:57,040 --> 01:23:58,719
yourself, please? Mike Parton,

1918
01:23:58,719 --> 01:23:59,040
>> thank you.

1919
01:23:59,040 --> 01:24:00,159
>> If we're going to split hairs over

1920
01:24:00,159 --> 01:24:01,920
technicalities,

1921
01:24:01,920 --> 01:24:06,080
as a select person Murray acknowledged,

1922
01:24:06,080 --> 01:24:08,800
Charlene Cybel had volunteered and she's

1923
01:24:08,800 --> 01:24:11,360
not on the list. So, if you're going to

1924
01:24:11,360 --> 01:24:12,719
>> Yep.

1925
01:24:12,719 --> 01:24:15,120
>> not include people who volunteered by

1926
01:24:15,120 --> 01:24:17,120
the date, then you need to include

1927
01:24:17,120 --> 01:24:19,760
people who do volunteer subsequent of

1928
01:24:19,760 --> 01:24:20,239
the date.

1929
01:24:20,239 --> 01:24:20,719
>> Thanks for that.

1930
01:24:20,719 --> 01:24:21,440
>> Just my opinion.

1931
01:24:21,440 --> 01:24:23,040
>> Yep. Thanks for that.

1932
01:24:23,040 --> 01:24:25,173
>> Okay, folks.

1933
01:24:25,173 --> 01:24:27,440
[sighs] We want to do

1934
01:24:27,440 --> 01:24:30,239
We can move the the list. John,

1935
01:24:30,239 --> 01:24:32,080
>> call the question on all the people that

1936
01:24:32,080 --> 01:24:33,920
have signed up for the list.

1937
01:24:33,920 --> 01:24:34,960
>> Do you want to read them?

1938
01:24:34,960 --> 01:24:36,560
>> Let's read the Let's read the name so

1939
01:24:36,560 --> 01:24:37,840
there's no ambiguity.

1940
01:24:37,840 --> 01:24:39,840
>> These are the three. And Derek Brown,

1941
01:24:39,840 --> 01:24:42,159
did you say you wanted to be on it?

1942
01:24:42,159 --> 01:24:44,159
>> Okay. So, the new ones are that aren't

1943
01:24:44,159 --> 01:24:47,120
listed as Charlene, uh, Cyos, Stacy

1944
01:24:47,120 --> 01:24:48,639
Pope, and Derek Brown.

1945
01:24:48,639 --> 01:24:50,080
>> Let's read the entire list, though, if

1946
01:24:50,080 --> 01:24:51,440
you wouldn't mind. So then we're going

1947
01:24:51,440 --> 01:24:53,920
to add Kayla Hewitt, Claude Rosinger,

1948
01:24:53,920 --> 01:24:56,639
Jonathan Hopewell, Ryan Bower, Jonathan

1949
01:24:56,639 --> 01:25:00,320
Dohy, John Larson, and Brad Herman, and

1950
01:25:00,320 --> 01:25:02,960
Stacy and Derek

1951
01:25:02,960 --> 01:25:04,880
>> and Charlene.

1952
01:25:04,880 --> 01:25:06,560
>> That's the list.

1953
01:25:06,560 --> 01:25:08,080
>> And Steve Randall, and Linda.

1954
01:25:08,080 --> 01:25:09,679
>> Yes, Steve is a standing member of the

1955
01:25:09,679 --> 01:25:10,159
committee.

1956
01:25:10,159 --> 01:25:11,040
>> And I am.

1957
01:25:11,040 --> 01:25:12,000
>> And Linda.

1958
01:25:12,000 --> 01:25:12,719
>> Yep.

1959
01:25:12,719 --> 01:25:14,560
>> Okay, that's the list. Can I get a

1960
01:25:14,560 --> 01:25:16,880
motion to accept that as the rural roads

1961
01:25:16,880 --> 01:25:18,080
committee, please?

1962
01:25:18,080 --> 01:25:19,199
>> So moved.

1963
01:25:19,199 --> 01:25:21,280
>> I have a motion. I have a second. Did we

1964
01:25:21,280 --> 01:25:22,239
already have a motion?

1965
01:25:22,239 --> 01:25:23,280
>> Yes, we did.

1966
01:25:23,280 --> 01:25:25,120
>> But at that No, but at that point, we

1967
01:25:25,120 --> 01:25:27,199
didn't have all the names on it. The

1968
01:25:27,199 --> 01:25:27,920
motion

1969
01:25:27,920 --> 01:25:28,639
>> it was already,

1970
01:25:28,639 --> 01:25:30,960
>> but the motion was before we added three

1971
01:25:30,960 --> 01:25:31,920
names.

1972
01:25:31,920 --> 01:25:35,280
>> So, this I would say this is this is the

1973
01:25:35,280 --> 01:25:37,280
motion that is

1974
01:25:37,280 --> 01:25:37,760
>> we can

1975
01:25:37,760 --> 01:25:39,199
>> unless unless anybody's got a problem.

1976
01:25:39,199 --> 01:25:40,560
I'm just going to say that we're going

1977
01:25:40,560 --> 01:25:42,320
to back out that prior motion. I'm going

1978
01:25:42,320 --> 01:25:44,000
to re ask that you put a motion on to

1979
01:25:44,000 --> 01:25:47,199
accept that out a list of candidates for

1980
01:25:47,199 --> 01:25:48,960
rural roads committee. Can I get a

1981
01:25:48,960 --> 01:25:50,000
second?

1982
01:25:50,000 --> 01:25:50,960
I'll second that.

1983
01:25:50,960 --> 01:25:52,800
>> I got a motion and a second. Any more

1984
01:25:52,800 --> 01:25:54,320
conversation?

1985
01:25:54,320 --> 01:25:55,280
>> We're ready to go.

1986
01:25:55,280 --> 01:25:55,600
>> Yep.

1987
01:25:55,600 --> 01:25:57,360
>> All those in favor? I

1988
01:25:57,360 --> 01:25:58,400
>> I.

1989
01:25:58,400 --> 01:26:00,159
>> We're good. Unanimous.

1990
01:26:00,159 --> 01:26:03,280
>> Can I say anybody who just signed up, if

1991
01:26:03,280 --> 01:26:06,080
you would make sure that Amy has your

1992
01:26:06,080 --> 01:26:07,199
email.

1993
01:26:07,199 --> 01:26:09,600
>> I will send out the first email, try to

1994
01:26:09,600 --> 01:26:12,000
come up with the date. All of you think

1995
01:26:12,000 --> 01:26:15,840
and decide who might want to be chair.

1996
01:26:15,840 --> 01:26:17,600
>> Yeah. First person who speaks gets to be

1997
01:26:17,600 --> 01:26:21,189
the chair.

1998
01:26:21,199 --> 01:26:22,880
Okay.

1999
01:26:22,880 --> 01:26:24,480
All right. Next item on the agenda is

2000
01:26:24,480 --> 01:26:27,120
the uh procurement policy. Uh last time

2001
01:26:27,120 --> 01:26:29,760
we visited with uh our finance director

2002
01:26:29,760 --> 01:26:33,440
who if you haven't met in Adam um uh I

2003
01:26:33,440 --> 01:26:35,840
think there was an ask by uh one of our

2004
01:26:35,840 --> 01:26:38,880
board members made that uh made that

2005
01:26:38,880 --> 01:26:40,480
adjustment.

2006
01:26:40,480 --> 01:26:42,719
>> Make a motion to uh approve the uh

2007
01:26:42,719 --> 01:26:44,400
procurement policy. Please

2008
01:26:44,400 --> 01:26:45,679
>> so moved. Second.

2009
01:26:45,679 --> 01:26:47,040
>> I have a motion and a second. And all

2010
01:26:47,040 --> 01:26:48,639
those in favor? I.

2011
01:26:48,639 --> 01:26:50,239
>> We're good.

2012
01:26:50,239 --> 01:26:51,760
>> Like to get a motion to move into the

2013
01:26:51,760 --> 01:26:53,760
Libby trustees meeting.

2014
01:26:53,760 --> 01:26:54,719
>> So move.

2015
01:26:54,719 --> 01:26:55,600
>> Second.

2016
01:26:55,600 --> 01:26:57,679
>> Have a motion and a second. Okay. So

2017
01:26:57,679 --> 01:26:59,679
we're uh All those in favor? I

2018
01:26:59,679 --> 01:27:00,159
>> I.

2019
01:27:00,159 --> 01:27:02,880
>> We're in. Okay. Good. Um couple of

2020
01:27:02,880 --> 01:27:05,920
things. Mr. uh uh Mr. Duchets uh wants

2021
01:27:05,920 --> 01:27:08,159
to update us on a few items. We'll have

2022
01:27:08,159 --> 01:27:09,679
a conversation about what's going on

2023
01:27:09,679 --> 01:27:12,800
with the uh with the charitable trust. I

2024
01:27:12,800 --> 01:27:14,000
think people are interested in knowing

2025
01:27:14,000 --> 01:27:16,000
about that. So Brian, uh, we'll leave it

2026
01:27:16,000 --> 01:27:17,440
with you. We'll start it up.

2027
01:27:17,440 --> 01:27:20,239
>> So, um, we've been doing a a little bit

2028
01:27:20,239 --> 01:27:23,600
of, um, work on trying to figure out the

2029
01:27:23,600 --> 01:27:26,320
best way to,

2030
01:27:26,320 --> 01:27:29,280
uh, move and store the artifacts. We've

2031
01:27:29,280 --> 01:27:33,120
had some artifacts that um, loaners have

2032
01:27:33,120 --> 01:27:34,960
come back and had returned to them

2033
01:27:34,960 --> 01:27:36,800
because they wanted their artifacts

2034
01:27:36,800 --> 01:27:40,400
back. So, we have a lot of moving

2035
01:27:40,400 --> 01:27:45,360
pieces. We have um just um Amy Capomio,

2036
01:27:45,360 --> 01:27:48,239
our administrative assistant to the town

2037
01:27:48,239 --> 01:27:51,280
manager who's trying to make sure that

2038
01:27:51,280 --> 01:27:53,120
things are found, things get back to

2039
01:27:53,120 --> 01:27:55,600
people. Moving companies are hired,

2040
01:27:55,600 --> 01:27:58,800
moving companies keep backing out. Um

2041
01:27:58,800 --> 01:28:02,320
that all the all the um artifacts get

2042
01:28:02,320 --> 01:28:05,120
someplace safe and we were hoping before

2043
01:28:05,120 --> 01:28:08,719
the snow flies this winter. So, um, I've

2044
01:28:08,719 --> 01:28:10,320
been helping her a little bit, but I

2045
01:28:10,320 --> 01:28:14,960
thought it would be a much better idea

2046
01:28:14,960 --> 01:28:16,800
if we got some more horsepower behind

2047
01:28:16,800 --> 01:28:20,080
this. So, I have a draft letter that I

2048
01:28:20,080 --> 01:28:22,880
would like the board to approve. Um, and

2049
01:28:22,880 --> 01:28:26,000
it is, dear uh, friends of the Libby

2050
01:28:26,000 --> 01:28:28,719
Museum and Libby Museum Preservation

2051
01:28:28,719 --> 01:28:31,840
Society. The Libby uh, Museum trustees

2052
01:28:31,840 --> 01:28:34,080
would like to form a subcommittee. The

2053
01:28:34,080 --> 01:28:36,159
subcommittee would have one member from

2054
01:28:36,159 --> 01:28:39,040
each group, the Libby Museum trustees,

2055
01:28:39,040 --> 01:28:41,360
the friends of the Libby Museum, and the

2056
01:28:41,360 --> 01:28:44,480
Libby Museum Preservation Society as

2057
01:28:44,480 --> 01:28:46,719
members. The objective is to work

2058
01:28:46,719 --> 01:28:50,400
jointly and share expenses equally as we

2059
01:28:50,400 --> 01:28:53,120
finalize a plan to move and store the

2060
01:28:53,120 --> 01:28:56,080
artifacts. I believe that all need to

2061
01:28:56,080 --> 01:28:58,719
work toward accomplishing this endeavor.

2062
01:28:58,719 --> 01:29:01,199
Please respond as soon as possible so

2063
01:29:01,199 --> 01:29:04,080
that we can move the artifacts into safe

2064
01:29:04,080 --> 01:29:06,880
storage. So this um if the board

2065
01:29:06,880 --> 01:29:09,199
approves, I want this to be sent out to

2066
01:29:09,199 --> 01:29:12,480
those two groups. Um I'm already

2067
01:29:12,480 --> 01:29:16,159
kneedeep in this because I I was the one

2068
01:29:16,159 --> 01:29:18,880
that went and found the appraiser who is

2069
01:29:18,880 --> 01:29:22,239
will be finishing the appraisal in um

2070
01:29:22,239 --> 01:29:24,320
the second week of November. They're

2071
01:29:24,320 --> 01:29:25,440
behind schedule a little because they

2072
01:29:25,440 --> 01:29:26,639
found out that there was a lot more

2073
01:29:26,639 --> 01:29:28,800
artifacts that had to do research on

2074
01:29:28,800 --> 01:29:31,440
than they thought. Um I I've been

2075
01:29:31,440 --> 01:29:34,719
helping Amy and meeting with moving

2076
01:29:34,719 --> 01:29:37,280
companies down at the Libby Museum.

2077
01:29:37,280 --> 01:29:39,040
We're looking for people to store it and

2078
01:29:39,040 --> 01:29:41,760
we've been reaching out to different um

2079
01:29:41,760 --> 01:29:45,199
museum organizations in the northeast to

2080
01:29:45,199 --> 01:29:47,440
find people that would take some of our

2081
01:29:47,440 --> 01:29:49,920
artifacts on loan, some of the large

2082
01:29:49,920 --> 01:29:52,560
ones to keep them safe in a good

2083
01:29:52,560 --> 01:29:54,320
environment where the public could still

2084
01:29:54,320 --> 01:29:56,159
see them. They would be on loan and we

2085
01:29:56,159 --> 01:29:58,639
could get them back. But that entails us

2086
01:29:58,639 --> 01:30:01,760
finding all the people that loan them,

2087
01:30:01,760 --> 01:30:03,760
contacting them, making sure they will

2088
01:30:03,760 --> 01:30:05,760
allow us to move them to another

2089
01:30:05,760 --> 01:30:08,960
location, or do they want them back?

2090
01:30:08,960 --> 01:30:10,960
There's a lot of work involved in this,

2091
01:30:10,960 --> 01:30:13,120
and we could use some help. And I would

2092
01:30:13,120 --> 01:30:15,120
hope that I could get a representative

2093
01:30:15,120 --> 01:30:17,840
from each of those two boards

2094
01:30:17,840 --> 01:30:23,040
to come and um help and if they could

2095
01:30:23,040 --> 01:30:27,440
even have their members assist them so

2096
01:30:27,440 --> 01:30:30,639
that the more hands we have on this the

2097
01:30:30,639 --> 01:30:33,520
quicker and easier it will happen. Um I

2098
01:30:33,520 --> 01:30:35,679
did get a call today from uh Jeff

2099
01:30:35,679 --> 01:30:38,000
Okonnell from the friends of the Libby

2100
01:30:38,000 --> 01:30:40,639
Museum. He is going to bring this up

2101
01:30:40,639 --> 01:30:43,280
with his group. We have a meeting in

2102
01:30:43,280 --> 01:30:45,440
November because tomorrow's was

2103
01:30:45,440 --> 01:30:48,239
cancelled. They cancelled that meeting.

2104
01:30:48,239 --> 01:30:49,679
We're running out of time for this

2105
01:30:49,679 --> 01:30:51,440
winter to get the stuff out. If it

2106
01:30:51,440 --> 01:30:52,639
doesn't get [snorts] out, it stays in

2107
01:30:52,639 --> 01:30:54,560
the building for another winter that's

2108
01:30:54,560 --> 01:30:57,280
not doing the artifacts any good. And

2109
01:30:57,280 --> 01:30:59,760
the building structurally should make it

2110
01:30:59,760 --> 01:31:01,040
through the winter. Unless we have a

2111
01:31:01,040 --> 01:31:03,280
real real bad winter with a lot of heavy

2112
01:31:03,280 --> 01:31:04,960
snow that builds up on it, you never

2113
01:31:04,960 --> 01:31:06,400
know what would happen with leaks and

2114
01:31:06,400 --> 01:31:09,199
cracks in in an old building. So that's

2115
01:31:09,199 --> 01:31:10,400
what I am.

2116
01:31:10,400 --> 01:31:13,920
>> Yeah. I I I support um this letter. I

2117
01:31:13,920 --> 01:31:17,679
support having a key person in each of

2118
01:31:17,679 --> 01:31:20,560
these groups, but I believe with the

2119
01:31:20,560 --> 01:31:23,120
amount of artifacts there and the amount

2120
01:31:23,120 --> 01:31:25,360
of work that needs to be done, it's

2121
01:31:25,360 --> 01:31:27,520
going to take members of each of those

2122
01:31:27,520 --> 01:31:30,320
groups. This is a we've wanted to get

2123
01:31:30,320 --> 01:31:32,880
those artifacts out of that museum for

2124
01:31:32,880 --> 01:31:36,880
at least two years now. And um I support

2125
01:31:36,880 --> 01:31:40,080
us putting some more um speed on doing

2126
01:31:40,080 --> 01:31:42,800
it. We have, as Brian said, we have

2127
01:31:42,800 --> 01:31:45,520
tried all sorts of different ways and we

2128
01:31:45,520 --> 01:31:49,120
get to it and there's um a roadblock. Um

2129
01:31:49,120 --> 01:31:51,760
and I think getting this organized, all

2130
01:31:51,760 --> 01:31:54,400
three P groups working together is the

2131
01:31:54,400 --> 01:31:58,239
right way for us to move forward.

2132
01:31:58,239 --> 01:32:02,239
>> I agree. This is one of these uh Paul

2133
01:32:02,239 --> 01:32:06,000
says stop kind of moments. Uh for the

2134
01:32:06,000 --> 01:32:07,520
past year and a half, we've been sending

2135
01:32:07,520 --> 01:32:08,960
letters back and forth to each other,

2136
01:32:08,960 --> 01:32:11,120
volunteering to help each other, and it

2137
01:32:11,120 --> 01:32:13,760
really hasn't gotten traction.

2138
01:32:13,760 --> 01:32:15,840
I introduced a very bad word to some

2139
01:32:15,840 --> 01:32:18,800
people called de accessioning that I was

2140
01:32:18,800 --> 01:32:21,920
yelled at to do.

2141
01:32:21,920 --> 01:32:24,639
The collection needs to find a way out

2142
01:32:24,639 --> 01:32:26,400
of the building or it needs to stay in

2143
01:32:26,400 --> 01:32:29,040
the building. It's one or the other. And

2144
01:32:29,040 --> 01:32:31,520
we we need to put some resources against

2145
01:32:31,520 --> 01:32:35,520
that to update our our policies, make

2146
01:32:35,520 --> 01:32:37,920
sure that uh if somebody says they want

2147
01:32:37,920 --> 01:32:39,520
something back that they can get it

2148
01:32:39,520 --> 01:32:42,400
back, provided that we can demonstrate

2149
01:32:42,400 --> 01:32:44,960
to the court that they legitimately are

2150
01:32:44,960 --> 01:32:48,639
the owner donor.

2151
01:32:48,639 --> 01:32:51,760
and to and to expect uh Amy and and and

2152
01:32:51,760 --> 01:32:56,159
this person here to do that in my view

2153
01:32:56,159 --> 01:32:58,960
is uh is not scale.

2154
01:32:58,960 --> 01:33:01,280
It's it's subscale.

2155
01:33:01,280 --> 01:33:03,600
It's not smart.

2156
01:33:03,600 --> 01:33:07,199
And so um we took the decision with you

2157
01:33:07,199 --> 01:33:10,320
folks to not tear the building down.

2158
01:33:10,320 --> 01:33:12,800
That building is, as we said, a little

2159
01:33:12,800 --> 01:33:15,199
bit raiky shaky. We want to [snorts] get

2160
01:33:15,199 --> 01:33:18,239
the collection moved. If we can't, then

2161
01:33:18,239 --> 01:33:19,840
we have to go to plan B. And I have no

2162
01:33:19,840 --> 01:33:22,159
idea what that is. And I think what

2163
01:33:22,159 --> 01:33:24,320
Brian has done is pretty I and I

2164
01:33:24,320 --> 01:33:26,639
congratulate you for doing it, but it's

2165
01:33:26,639 --> 01:33:28,480
hard. We got folks who walk in the

2166
01:33:28,480 --> 01:33:31,040
building from a a prospective move point

2167
01:33:31,040 --> 01:33:33,199
of view and they go, "No,

2168
01:33:33,199 --> 01:33:35,920
nope, not doing it." So, we got to get

2169
01:33:35,920 --> 01:33:37,920
some traction here. And that's uh with

2170
01:33:37,920 --> 01:33:40,719
the newly formed groups to sit down in a

2171
01:33:40,719 --> 01:33:42,080
room and figure out how to do that, I

2172
01:33:42,080 --> 01:33:44,719
think is a smart thing to do. And we do

2173
01:33:44,719 --> 01:33:46,239
have a letter from the friends of the

2174
01:33:46,239 --> 01:33:50,560
Libby Museum dated January 21st, 2026

2175
01:33:50,560 --> 01:33:53,199
that is reaffirming their November 19th,

2176
01:33:53,199 --> 01:33:55,840
2025 letter that said that they will

2177
01:33:55,840 --> 01:33:59,360
assist us with um

2178
01:33:59,360 --> 01:34:01,360
moving the collection, cleaning and

2179
01:34:01,360 --> 01:34:03,199
moving the collection into a safe

2180
01:34:03,199 --> 01:34:03,920
location.

2181
01:34:03,920 --> 01:34:06,159
>> So board members, uh there is a letter

2182
01:34:06,159 --> 01:34:07,920
uh sponsored by Mr. Duchets. Does

2183
01:34:07,920 --> 01:34:11,040
anybody John go ahead? So, this is kind

2184
01:34:11,040 --> 01:34:13,440
of like the kid who was supposed to take

2185
01:34:13,440 --> 01:34:16,560
the test, but he didn't decide to test

2186
01:34:16,560 --> 01:34:18,480
uh do the studying till the night

2187
01:34:18,480 --> 01:34:21,520
before. We've been kicking this can down

2188
01:34:21,520 --> 01:34:24,239
the road. Thankfully, Brian, you did do

2189
01:34:24,239 --> 01:34:27,120
a lot of work. I do appreciate that, but

2190
01:34:27,120 --> 01:34:29,600
we are running out the clock. We are We

2191
01:34:29,600 --> 01:34:31,679
This was supposed to be done two years

2192
01:34:31,679 --> 01:34:35,120
ago that we were supposed to do this

2193
01:34:35,120 --> 01:34:37,840
>> and we're not going to use Amy's

2194
01:34:37,840 --> 01:34:40,000
resources up. We're not going to eat up

2195
01:34:40,000 --> 01:34:43,280
Brian's leftover energy to make it all

2196
01:34:43,280 --> 01:34:46,719
happen. We need to hire somebody as one

2197
01:34:46,719 --> 01:34:49,920
contact, one head who will facilitate

2198
01:34:49,920 --> 01:34:53,760
the whole mission and be there all the

2199
01:34:53,760 --> 01:34:56,480
time so that when stuff gets moved,

2200
01:34:56,480 --> 01:34:59,199
movers come, they're there. They keep

2201
01:34:59,199 --> 01:35:02,639
track of everything. It's one focus, one

2202
01:35:02,639 --> 01:35:05,760
person, one entity. Then it's not all

2203
01:35:05,760 --> 01:35:07,600
scattered. It's not a bunch of broken

2204
01:35:07,600 --> 01:35:10,480
pieces. We need we have money in our

2205
01:35:10,480 --> 01:35:13,830
bank account.

2206
01:35:13,840 --> 01:35:16,480
» Not a lot. [snorts] I think the uh

2207
01:35:16,480 --> 01:35:18,159
capital reserve account on the Libby is

2208
01:35:18,159 --> 01:35:19,600
80,000.

2209
01:35:19,600 --> 01:35:19,920
>> Yeah.

2210
01:35:19,920 --> 01:35:22,159
>> And uh uh last week when we did budget

2211
01:35:22,159 --> 01:35:24,320
for the Libby

2212
01:35:24,320 --> 01:35:27,199
um we moved the salary line down to the

2213
01:35:27,199 --> 01:35:28,800
consulting line. So we picked up some

2214
01:35:28,800 --> 01:35:30,560
money. All right. To do that and I'm not

2215
01:35:30,560 --> 01:35:33,280
trying to be pecuniary about it. But the

2216
01:35:33,280 --> 01:35:35,679
point of this is to your point, we we

2217
01:35:35,679 --> 01:35:38,080
got to get some muscle on this thing and

2218
01:35:38,080 --> 01:35:41,040
not part-time it

2219
01:35:41,040 --> 01:35:43,920
leftover effort. I think Amy's probably

2220
01:35:43,920 --> 01:35:45,360
doing cartwheels at home if this

2221
01:35:45,360 --> 01:35:46,800
actually were to turn out. So, anything

2222
01:35:46,800 --> 01:35:48,400
else from that, John? No. Thank you for

2223
01:35:48,400 --> 01:35:50,480
that, Brian. Thank you. So, we got a

2224
01:35:50,480 --> 01:35:52,639
letter here. Um, does any Go ahead.

2225
01:35:52,639 --> 01:35:54,639
>> I I agree with John. We need one person,

2226
01:35:54,639 --> 01:35:58,000
but to find somebody right now is going

2227
01:35:58,000 --> 01:36:00,480
to be incredibly difficult. to find

2228
01:36:00,480 --> 01:36:02,239
someone that is going to want to work

2229
01:36:02,239 --> 01:36:04,880
full time moving those out. If somebody

2230
01:36:04,880 --> 01:36:07,360
comes to us, but in the meantime, we

2231
01:36:07,360 --> 01:36:09,199
can't just sit and wait.

2232
01:36:09,199 --> 01:36:10,639
>> I think I think you're going to get more

2233
01:36:10,639 --> 01:36:11,679
muscle eyes.

2234
01:36:11,679 --> 01:36:14,960
>> I mean, to give to give an example, I've made some phone calls and I just

2235
01:36:14,960 --> 01:36:17,679
need some help following up. the New

2236
01:36:17,679 --> 01:36:19,440
England

2237
01:36:19,440 --> 01:36:23,360
um Herbatlogical Society, which is a

2238
01:36:23,360 --> 01:36:26,800
society that um specializes in reptiles,

2239
01:36:26,800 --> 01:36:28,880
said that they would take, if we could

2240
01:36:28,880 --> 01:36:31,280
deliver or get it delivered, the

2241
01:36:31,280 --> 01:36:34,960
alligator and the large snapping turtle.

2242
01:36:34,960 --> 01:36:36,960
That's two big items out of that museum

2243
01:36:36,960 --> 01:36:39,199
that would then go into their facility

2244
01:36:39,199 --> 01:36:41,679
to be stored, seen, loaned, and they

2245
01:36:41,679 --> 01:36:44,560
would give back. The Dover Woodward

2246
01:36:44,560 --> 01:36:47,119
Museum said that they showed in they

2247
01:36:47,119 --> 01:36:49,440
showed interest to me in the skeletons

2248
01:36:49,440 --> 01:36:55,109
and some of the large um

2249
01:36:55,119 --> 01:36:57,679
artifacts, some of the the moose, the

2250
01:36:57,679 --> 01:36:59,440
polar bear, things like that that they

2251
01:36:59,440 --> 01:37:03,199
would be interested in those. Um, we

2252
01:37:03,199 --> 01:37:07,199
had, um, talking to Libby Shannon from

2253
01:37:07,199 --> 01:37:09,040
the Clock Museum. She said that she

2254
01:37:09,040 --> 01:37:11,440
would be able to potentially take the

2255
01:37:11,440 --> 01:37:13,040
firearms that are in there because

2256
01:37:13,040 --> 01:37:14,480
they're period correct for the Clark

2257
01:37:14,480 --> 01:37:15,679
Museum.

2258
01:37:15,679 --> 01:37:18,159
>> Um, we have our librarian, Allison

2259
01:37:18,159 --> 01:37:24,080
Rutley, who said that the collection of 10 or eight or 10 fans, oriental fans

2260
01:37:24,080 --> 01:37:26,639
that are all nice in glass cases, that

2261
01:37:26,639 --> 01:37:30,000
she could display those at the library.

2262
01:37:30,000 --> 01:37:33,040
So, with a few people helping, we can

2263
01:37:33,040 --> 01:37:34,880
start at least getting some of that

2264
01:37:34,880 --> 01:37:36,880
stuff out of the way. Another

2265
01:37:36,880 --> 01:37:39,679
possibility is taking and getting a

2266
01:37:39,679 --> 01:37:42,960
conditioned um storage container put

2267
01:37:42,960 --> 01:37:45,360
behind the building that would run AC

2268
01:37:45,360 --> 01:37:48,719
and heat and moving a lot of the fragile

2269
01:37:48,719 --> 01:37:50,639
artifacts, the taxiderermy and some of

2270
01:37:50,639 --> 01:37:53,679
those directly to around the back of the

2271
01:37:53,679 --> 01:37:56,560
building and put into a trailer that

2272
01:37:56,560 --> 01:37:58,800
would stay there plugged in with

2273
01:37:58,800 --> 01:38:01,040
electricity running. This is all stuff

2274
01:38:01,040 --> 01:38:03,280
that can be that can be done but it

2275
01:38:03,280 --> 01:38:05,520
shouldn't be done by one trustee of the

2276
01:38:05,520 --> 01:38:07,360
select board and it shouldn't be done

2277
01:38:07,360 --> 01:38:10,159
with a trustee of the select board

2278
01:38:10,159 --> 01:38:11,760
making all these calls and then coming

2279
01:38:11,760 --> 01:38:13,360
back to the other trustees and then

2280
01:38:13,360 --> 01:38:16,880
asking the society the prevention the

2281
01:38:16,880 --> 01:38:18,480
society for the protection of the living

2282
01:38:18,480 --> 01:38:20,880
and asking the I mean I I can't be just

2283
01:38:20,880 --> 01:38:22,639
going all in all different directions.

2284
01:38:22,639 --> 01:38:23,360
>> Murray

2285
01:38:23,360 --> 01:38:25,119
>> with a group we could do this together

2286
01:38:25,119 --> 01:38:28,320
and at least get a lot of this stuff in

2287
01:38:28,320 --> 01:38:30,159
safe places. Miss Murray.

2288
01:38:30,159 --> 01:38:33,280
>> Yeah, I I am 100% behind, Brian, is that

2289
01:38:33,280 --> 01:38:36,800
we have you have three key people who

2290
01:38:36,800 --> 01:38:39,760
brings the direction back to the board,

2291
01:38:39,760 --> 01:38:42,000
their boards and different members help

2292
01:38:42,000 --> 01:38:44,000
to try to get this done. Brian's got a

2293
01:38:44,000 --> 01:38:45,840
lot of it done. If we can get some of

2294
01:38:45,840 --> 01:38:48,639
the stuff out of there, give him some

2295
01:38:48,639 --> 01:38:52,560
help in making calls or being places, we

2296
01:38:52,560 --> 01:38:54,800
all come out ahead. We've gotten more

2297
01:38:54,800 --> 01:38:56,320
stuff out of there. And while we're

2298
01:38:56,320 --> 01:39:00,560
doing this, all three groups can reach

2299
01:39:00,560 --> 01:39:02,719
out and try and find somebody that can

2300
01:39:02,719 --> 01:39:04,400
assist full-time. That would be

2301
01:39:04,400 --> 01:39:06,239
absolutely fantastic. Someone for the

2302
01:39:06,239 --> 01:39:08,320
next three months of full-time would not

2303
01:39:08,320 --> 01:39:10,320
be a huge huge lift of money. It's not

2304
01:39:10,320 --> 01:39:13,119
going to use up the whole 80,000 and we

2305
01:39:13,119 --> 01:39:15,600
could pass it over to them or have them

2306
01:39:15,600 --> 01:39:17,040
manage

2307
01:39:17,040 --> 01:39:20,639
>> our efforts. It's it's a good idea. like

2308
01:39:20,639 --> 01:39:22,960
you got the guy to come in and assess it

2309
01:39:22,960 --> 01:39:25,119
and we thought he was going to be able

2310
01:39:25,119 --> 01:39:28,719
to take in store and that he can't. We

2311
01:39:28,719 --> 01:39:31,360
kind of go to a spot and we think we've

2312
01:39:31,360 --> 01:39:34,320
got it and it falls apart. I'm with him.

2313
01:39:34,320 --> 01:39:36,960
Let's now we start doing as much as we

2314
01:39:36,960 --> 01:39:40,400
can and John if we can find somebody

2315
01:39:40,400 --> 01:39:41,600
that's even better.

2316
01:39:41,600 --> 01:39:42,320
>> We we've

2317
01:39:42,320 --> 01:39:44,320
>> we just can't sit still. We've had three

2318
01:39:44,320 --> 01:39:47,280
moving companies come and look and the

2319
01:39:47,280 --> 01:39:50,400
condition of the cases. The glass on

2320
01:39:50,400 --> 01:39:54,239
them is not um tempered glass. Um a lot

2321
01:39:54,239 --> 01:39:57,520
of it is rickety. The the movers are

2322
01:39:57,520 --> 01:39:59,440
petrified to move the skeletons because

2323
01:39:59,440 --> 01:40:00,880
they think that the minute they go to

2324
01:40:00,880 --> 01:40:02,159
lift up the skeletons, they're all going

2325
01:40:02,159 --> 01:40:04,800
to fall apart in a pile on them. Um the

2326
01:40:04,800 --> 01:40:06,639
skeleton cases are built into the wall

2327
01:40:06,639 --> 01:40:08,400
of the building. So they basically have

2328
01:40:08,400 --> 01:40:10,719
to be either unscrewed or cut off the

2329
01:40:10,719 --> 01:40:13,280
walls. So now those skeletons can't be

2330
01:40:13,280 --> 01:40:15,840
stored in those cases anywhere. This is

2331
01:40:15,840 --> 01:40:17,920
way more complex. And this is what I

2332
01:40:17,920 --> 01:40:19,280
found out talking to three different

2333
01:40:19,280 --> 01:40:21,119
moving companies and looking at the

2334
01:40:21,119 --> 01:40:22,960
stuff in the museum. This is not snap

2335
01:40:22,960 --> 01:40:25,040
your fingers like we thought 5 years ago

2336
01:40:25,040 --> 01:40:26,880
and move everything out to rebuild a new

2337
01:40:26,880 --> 01:40:29,199
museum. Mm- It's not going to be that

2338
01:40:29,199 --> 01:40:29,520
way.

2339
01:40:29,520 --> 01:40:30,800
>> So it sounds like something we were

2340
01:40:30,800 --> 01:40:32,239
talking about earlier tonight. A lot of

2341
01:40:32,239 --> 01:40:34,719
data here, John. So the other

2342
01:40:34,719 --> 01:40:36,480
complication is, you know, when it gets

2343
01:40:36,480 --> 01:40:38,960
cold, things get brittle and then you

2344
01:40:38,960 --> 01:40:41,119
start compromising the artifacts when

2345
01:40:41,119 --> 01:40:42,400
they get cold

2346
01:40:42,400 --> 01:40:43,920
>> and the building's been cold for a lot

2347
01:40:43,920 --> 01:40:45,040
of years.

2348
01:40:45,040 --> 01:40:47,280
>> It has, but when but when they're cold

2349
01:40:47,280 --> 01:40:49,040
and then you go to move them, that's

2350
01:40:49,040 --> 01:40:52,880
when you chip, you break things don't

2351
01:40:52,880 --> 01:40:56,080
the molecular movement isn't that good.

2352
01:40:56,080 --> 01:40:56,719
>> Linda.

2353
01:40:56,719 --> 01:40:58,880
>> Yeah. I'd like to make a motion that we

2354
01:40:58,880 --> 01:41:01,600
send the draft letter that was drafted

2355
01:41:01,600 --> 01:41:04,400
by uh Brian.

2356
01:41:04,400 --> 01:41:06,320
>> Yep.

2357
01:41:06,320 --> 01:41:06,880
>> That's my motion.

2358
01:41:06,880 --> 01:41:08,800
>> I have a motion.

2359
01:41:08,800 --> 01:41:09,280
>> Second.

2360
01:41:09,280 --> 01:41:11,119
>> I got a motion and a second. Thank you

2361
01:41:11,119 --> 01:41:15,750
for doing this, Brian.

2362
01:41:15,760 --> 01:41:17,440
» All those in favor? I

2363
01:41:17,440 --> 01:41:18,000
>> All right, we're good.

2364
01:41:18,000 --> 01:41:21,040
>> I got a Nope. I got a second motion. I

2365
01:41:21,040 --> 01:41:23,360
make a motion that Brian is our

2366
01:41:23,360 --> 01:41:26,390
representative.

2367
01:41:26,400 --> 01:41:28,000
Second.

2368
01:41:28,000 --> 01:41:29,760
>> Thanks. Okay. Thanks.

2369
01:41:29,760 --> 01:41:32,000
>> I'm already knee deep. So, I'll help

2370
01:41:32,000 --> 01:41:33,280
Brian. I will help you. I have a motion

2371
01:41:33,280 --> 01:41:37,760
in a second for u uh for Brian to be our

2372
01:41:37,760 --> 01:41:39,600
representative and I'll gladly help you.

2373
01:41:39,600 --> 01:41:41,520
Um any conversation? Anybody else want

2374
01:41:41,520 --> 01:41:43,679
to chip in?

2375
01:41:43,679 --> 01:41:45,920
All those in favor of uh Brian being our

2376
01:41:45,920 --> 01:41:47,040
representative? I

2377
01:41:47,040 --> 01:41:47,440
>> I

2378
01:41:47,440 --> 01:41:49,040
>> Okay, we're good.

2379
01:41:49,040 --> 01:41:51,840
>> Um uh appraisal update, Brian, we

2380
01:41:51,840 --> 01:41:53,440
received Or you want to do it or you

2381
01:41:53,440 --> 01:41:54,320
want me to do it? What do you want to

2382
01:41:54,320 --> 01:41:55,600
do? Well, I think I mentioned already,

2383
01:41:55,600 --> 01:41:58,880
but it's um we received a letter from a

2384
01:41:58,880 --> 01:42:01,679
to an email to Amy from the [snorts]

2385
01:42:01,679 --> 01:42:05,119
um New Hampshire um

2386
01:42:05,119 --> 01:42:07,040
preservation. No, what are they? They're

2387
01:42:07,040 --> 01:42:07,199
um

2388
01:42:07,199 --> 01:42:07,920
>> the appraiser.

2389
01:42:07,920 --> 01:42:11,440
Um yeah, they um thought

2390
01:42:11,440 --> 01:42:12,639
that they would have a three-month

2391
01:42:12,639 --> 01:42:14,639
appraisal. It's turned into almost a

2392
01:42:14,639 --> 01:42:16,159
four-month appraisal. They're going to

2393
01:42:16,159 --> 01:42:19,280
take an extra three weeks and um they'll

2394
01:42:19,280 --> 01:42:21,600
be done by November 11th.

2395
01:42:21,600 --> 01:42:22,560
>> Mid November.

2396
01:42:22,560 --> 01:42:24,400
>> Yeah. which is which is a good thing

2397
01:42:24,400 --> 01:42:26,560
because as we're putting things away,

2398
01:42:26,560 --> 01:42:29,360
we'll know what is the most valuable

2399
01:42:29,360 --> 01:42:32,080
stuff that really needs to be cared for.

2400
01:42:32,080 --> 01:42:34,239
>> If it if we find out that the skeletons

2401
01:42:34,239 --> 01:42:36,880
are are incredibly valuable, then that's

2402
01:42:36,880 --> 01:42:39,440
something that we need to focus on as as

2403
01:42:39,440 --> 01:42:42,639
a group and get those someplace safe.

2404
01:42:42,639 --> 01:42:44,880
>> Charitable trust update. Um if you want,

2405
01:42:44,880 --> 01:42:48,639
I'll do that. Uh we did uh uh in late

2406
01:42:48,639 --> 01:42:51,040
September send a letter uh four

2407
01:42:51,040 --> 01:42:54,400
signatures on that letter uh to Nathan

2408
01:42:54,400 --> 01:42:57,679
town council asking uh him to uh have a

2409
01:42:57,679 --> 01:42:59,920
chat with uh the charitable trust. That

2410
01:42:59,920 --> 01:43:01,360
conversation did take place. The

2411
01:43:01,360 --> 01:43:03,840
charitable trust is uh talking to the

2412
01:43:03,840 --> 01:43:07,280
attorney general as to u u as to the

2413
01:43:07,280 --> 01:43:09,360
next steps. The letter for those of you

2414
01:43:09,360 --> 01:43:11,600
who didn't see it, the letter said that

2415
01:43:11,600 --> 01:43:15,440
we are asking for a sitdown with the CTU

2416
01:43:15,440 --> 01:43:18,080
with the name leadership team of both

2417
01:43:18,080 --> 01:43:20,880
the friends as well as the uh Libby

2418
01:43:20,880 --> 01:43:24,560
Museum preservation team. Uh so that's

2419
01:43:24,560 --> 01:43:26,080
about all I can tell you on that. More

2420
01:43:26,080 --> 01:43:29,440
to come. Okay. Any other business in

2421
01:43:29,440 --> 01:43:32,080
Libby?

2422
01:43:32,080 --> 01:43:33,600
>> I'll make a motion to come out of the

2423
01:43:33,600 --> 01:43:35,600
Libby museum trustees meeting. I have a

2424
01:43:35,600 --> 01:43:36,960
motion uh to come out of the Liby

2425
01:43:36,960 --> 01:43:40,239
trustees meeting and a second.

2426
01:43:40,239 --> 01:43:40,880
>> Second.

2427
01:43:40,880 --> 01:43:42,960
>> Have a second for Mr. Cynicle. All those

2428
01:43:42,960 --> 01:43:44,480
in favor? I please.

2429
01:43:44,480 --> 01:43:44,800
>> I.

2430
01:43:44,800 --> 01:43:46,560
>> Okay. Next item in the agenda is

2431
01:43:46,560 --> 01:43:47,920
>> Oh, and Paul, it's just it's the New

2432
01:43:47,920 --> 01:43:49,760
Hampshire Antique Co-op. They're in

2433
01:43:49,760 --> 01:43:52,719
Milford, New Hampshire. Um they're the

2434
01:43:52,719 --> 01:43:55,199
uh probably the most prestigious uh

2435
01:43:55,199 --> 01:43:59,280
antique um appraisal and dealer in New

2436
01:43:59,280 --> 01:44:02,080
Hampshire and with a presence down on uh

2437
01:44:02,080 --> 01:44:04,320
in in Boston, Massachusetts in downtown

2438
01:44:04,320 --> 01:44:04,960
Boston.

2439
01:44:04,960 --> 01:44:07,600
>> Thank you. Appreciate it. Uh the next

2440
01:44:07,600 --> 01:44:10,960
item on on the agenda is uh in in our

2441
01:44:10,960 --> 01:44:13,520
old business and this is uh Stonem Road,

2442
01:44:13,520 --> 01:44:17,920
Mr. Rosinger. Mr. Rosinger uh asked that

2443
01:44:17,920 --> 01:44:21,280
we not disposition his request until he

2444
01:44:21,280 --> 01:44:25,119
got back from u his business trip or

2445
01:44:25,119 --> 01:44:28,719
travel. Um Mr. Rosinger uh previously

2446
01:44:28,719 --> 01:44:31,840
came up to the uh uh to the microphone

2447
01:44:31,840 --> 01:44:34,639
and asked us three questions. Question

2448
01:44:34,639 --> 01:44:36,400
number one is the return of his

2449
01:44:36,400 --> 01:44:38,000
property.

2450
01:44:38,000 --> 01:44:39,600
Um

2451
01:44:39,600 --> 01:44:42,239
and um Claude, did I get it? Did did you

2452
01:44:42,239 --> 01:44:45,040
also say the uh the loom because I think

2453
01:44:45,040 --> 01:44:47,920
you I think you said you said loom as

2454
01:44:47,920 --> 01:44:50,960
well. Okay. Uh cuz it wasn't clear in

2455
01:44:50,960 --> 01:44:52,960
the uh when I when I watched the video.

2456
01:44:52,960 --> 01:44:55,199
Question number two was acknowledged

2457
01:44:55,199 --> 01:44:58,320
that uh he has the right to reinstall

2458
01:44:58,320 --> 01:45:00,719
the posts on uh where they were

2459
01:45:00,719 --> 01:45:03,040
originally installed. And then question

2460
01:45:03,040 --> 01:45:07,440
number three uh was uh I'm paraphrasing

2461
01:45:07,440 --> 01:45:09,440
plaud so if I get it wrong get about the

2462
01:45:09,440 --> 01:45:10,800
business of getting the rural roads

2463
01:45:10,800 --> 01:45:12,880
committee work done.

2464
01:45:12,880 --> 01:45:14,880
>> So I think I think we've dispositioned

2465
01:45:14,880 --> 01:45:16,320
that third one

2466
01:45:16,320 --> 01:45:18,639
>> specific

2467
01:45:18,639 --> 01:45:26,310
go ahead clock coming up

2468
01:45:26,320 --> 01:45:28,960
» to be specific about the posts. I think

2469
01:45:28,960 --> 01:45:30,320
I mentioned that we were talking about

2470
01:45:30,320 --> 01:45:32,239
the granite posts. Mhm.

2471
01:45:32,239 --> 01:45:34,239
>> which were half of them were

2472
01:45:34,239 --> 01:45:35,920
historically there.

2473
01:45:35,920 --> 01:45:38,080
>> Uh had been approved.

2474
01:45:38,080 --> 01:45:39,679
>> Then stories were told that were not

2475
01:45:39,679 --> 01:45:40,960
true about there not having been

2476
01:45:40,960 --> 01:45:42,480
approved, but we'll put that aside for

2477
01:45:42,480 --> 01:45:43,199
now.

2478
01:45:43,199 --> 01:45:45,760
>> They were they were long-standing.

2479
01:45:45,760 --> 01:45:47,040
>> And then when I [snorts] added some

2480
01:45:47,040 --> 01:45:48,800
posts this year,

2481
01:45:48,800 --> 01:45:50,639
>> they were not only in align with the

2482
01:45:50,639 --> 01:45:52,560
historical one posts, but they were set

2483
01:45:52,560 --> 01:45:54,639
a foot further back.

2484
01:45:54,639 --> 01:45:56,639
>> So that was the guideline.

2485
01:45:56,639 --> 01:45:57,040
>> Okay.

2486
01:45:57,040 --> 01:45:58,800
>> Uh the wood posts had a different

2487
01:45:58,800 --> 01:46:01,920
purpose. uh with any luck it has served

2488
01:46:01,920 --> 01:46:05,360
that purpose and it's to draw attention

2489
01:46:05,360 --> 01:46:09,040
to the fact that the irregularity

2490
01:46:09,040 --> 01:46:12,320
of the plowing and the grading of the

2491
01:46:12,320 --> 01:46:15,520
road and not just along my roads but

2492
01:46:15,520 --> 01:46:17,760
throughout the rural roads needs to be

2493
01:46:17,760 --> 01:46:18,719
addressed.

2494
01:46:18,719 --> 01:46:21,280
>> Y and I think that was in your third uh

2495
01:46:21,280 --> 01:46:23,440
u you kind of keyed off of that on in

2496
01:46:23,440 --> 01:46:23,840
your third

2497
01:46:23,840 --> 01:46:24,880
>> that's correct. I'm just saying that

2498
01:46:24,880 --> 01:46:26,560
we're not discussing the wood posts.

2499
01:46:26,560 --> 01:46:27,280
>> Yeah. Yeah. Well,

2500
01:46:27,280 --> 01:46:28,719
>> all right. But I want them back.

2501
01:46:28,719 --> 01:46:30,480
>> Yeah. Okay. Good.

2502
01:46:30,480 --> 01:46:31,119
>> Thank you.

2503
01:46:31,119 --> 01:46:33,840
Claude, for that. Um um

2504
01:46:33,840 --> 01:46:35,360
there's another item in your board

2505
01:46:35,360 --> 01:46:38,719
packet. Um and this is uh for just FYI,

2506
01:46:38,719 --> 01:46:40,800
there is a uh something that I put in

2507
01:46:40,800 --> 01:46:42,719
there for everybody.

2508
01:46:42,719 --> 01:46:45,360
Uh we're not we're not here to to be

2509
01:46:45,360 --> 01:46:46,960
judges. If you feel you need to be

2510
01:46:46,960 --> 01:46:48,639
recused from this conversation, board

2511
01:46:48,639 --> 01:46:51,119
member, you can do that. Uh that's your

2512
01:46:51,119 --> 01:46:54,480
choice. Um we received a uh we received

2513
01:46:54,480 --> 01:46:56,800
an email from Mr. Rosinger's attorney,

2514
01:46:56,800 --> 01:46:59,920
Mr. Chapman dated August 13th. In that

2515
01:46:59,920 --> 01:47:03,280
letter, Mr. Chapman uh uh submitted

2516
01:47:03,280 --> 01:47:05,520
location plan for the install of 18

2517
01:47:05,520 --> 01:47:06,960
granite posts on the east side of

2518
01:47:06,960 --> 01:47:09,440
Startard aerial review of the posts

2519
01:47:09,440 --> 01:47:12,719
spaced 50 ft apart and 12t 6 in from the

2520
01:47:12,719 --> 01:47:14,480
center line of the road. Three

2521
01:47:14,480 --> 01:47:16,880
photographs showing granite posts by way

2522
01:47:16,880 --> 01:47:19,119
of background. I'm paraphrasing Claude,

2523
01:47:19,119 --> 01:47:21,119
but this is pretty close. Uh for

2524
01:47:21,119 --> 01:47:22,639
decades, without objection from the

2525
01:47:22,639 --> 01:47:24,480
town, Mr. Rosener maintained the area

2526
01:47:24,480 --> 01:47:26,880
adjacent to his residence. uh within

2527
01:47:26,880 --> 01:47:30,800
started roads right of way. Uh he has uh

2528
01:47:30,800 --> 01:47:33,920
recared removed brush graded loom seated

2529
01:47:33,920 --> 01:47:36,080
mode areas on both sides. In

2530
01:47:36,080 --> 01:47:39,760
approximately 2021, Mr. Rosinger

2531
01:47:39,760 --> 01:47:41,840
his his attorneys note to us spoke with

2532
01:47:41,840 --> 01:47:43,520
Scott Pike then employed by the public

2533
01:47:43,520 --> 01:47:45,679
works department about placing six

2534
01:47:45,679 --> 01:47:47,199
granite post within the historically

2535
01:47:47,199 --> 01:47:49,280
established area. The post would be

2536
01:47:49,280 --> 01:47:51,840
within the right of way uh but outside

2537
01:47:51,840 --> 01:47:53,520
of the traveled way so as not to

2538
01:47:53,520 --> 01:47:55,679
interfere with people driving the road.

2539
01:47:55,679 --> 01:47:58,639
Mr. Pike approved Mr. Rosinger's plan.

2540
01:47:58,639 --> 01:48:00,239
Together, they believed the post would

2541
01:48:00,239 --> 01:48:02,159
better define the long existing but

2542
01:48:02,159 --> 01:48:04,400
compromised gravel road edge and give

2543
01:48:04,400 --> 01:48:07,119
the road a narrower appearance. Uh the

2544
01:48:07,119 --> 01:48:09,119
expected people uh they expected people

2545
01:48:09,119 --> 01:48:10,800
would drive the road at a slower and

2546
01:48:10,800 --> 01:48:13,280
safer speed, causing less damage to the

2547
01:48:13,280 --> 01:48:15,440
road and saving the town maintenance

2548
01:48:15,440 --> 01:48:18,719
cost. Mr. Pike inspected the posts after

2549
01:48:18,719 --> 01:48:21,920
they were installed. Again, Mr. Chapman,

2550
01:48:21,920 --> 01:48:24,480
Mr. Rossinger's attorney. Uh on the

2551
01:48:24,480 --> 01:48:26,239
aerial view submitted, uh three of the

2552
01:48:26,239 --> 01:48:27,920
grain of post were immediately south of

2553
01:48:27,920 --> 01:48:31,520
Stonem Road while there were while three

2554
01:48:31,520 --> 01:48:33,360
were immediately north of the road.

2555
01:48:33,360 --> 01:48:35,520
Following the placement, the town uh

2556
01:48:35,520 --> 01:48:37,280
continued to maintain Stoddard Road,

2557
01:48:37,280 --> 01:48:38,960
plowed it during winter and never

2558
01:48:38,960 --> 01:48:41,280
expressed any concern about the posts.

2559
01:48:41,280 --> 01:48:43,440
This past May, Mr. Rosinger retained a

2560
01:48:43,440 --> 01:48:45,520
professional landscape designer and

2561
01:48:45,520 --> 01:48:47,840
contractor to extend the line of granite

2562
01:48:47,840 --> 01:48:50,800
post by adding 12 posts of set 50 ft

2563
01:48:50,800 --> 01:48:53,440
apart on the east side of Stoddard Road

2564
01:48:53,440 --> 01:48:55,440
extending the property outlined by his

2565
01:48:55,440 --> 01:48:56,960
sister-in-law

2566
01:48:56,960 --> 01:49:00,639
Lee Rosinger. Lee Rosinger. Thank you.

2567
01:49:00,639 --> 01:49:02,239
Wooden posts were also placed on the

2568
01:49:02,239 --> 01:49:04,320
west side of Stoddard Road extending

2569
01:49:04,320 --> 01:49:06,960
onto Ms. Rosinger's property. Those

2570
01:49:06,960 --> 01:49:09,679
posts were also set 50 feet apart at a

2571
01:49:09,679 --> 01:49:11,920
greater distance from the traveled way.

2572
01:49:11,920 --> 01:49:13,679
Uh

2573
01:49:13,679 --> 01:49:15,760
then were the townplaced snowplowed

2574
01:49:15,760 --> 01:49:18,480
stakes. The work took about two and a

2575
01:49:18,480 --> 01:49:20,320
half weeks to complete. In the latter

2576
01:49:20,320 --> 01:49:22,080
part of May, Mr. Rosener received two

2577
01:49:22,080 --> 01:49:23,600
letters from the acting town manager

2578
01:49:23,600 --> 01:49:25,760
that demanded the removal of posts. The

2579
01:49:25,760 --> 01:49:27,920
second letter cited New Hampshire laws.

2580
01:49:27,920 --> 01:49:29,679
One authorized the town to remove all

2581
01:49:29,679 --> 01:49:32,320
obstructions on on any highway while the

2582
01:49:32,320 --> 01:49:33,920
other authorized the town to remove

2583
01:49:33,920 --> 01:49:36,719
encumbrances on the highway. On June 1,

2584
01:49:36,719 --> 01:49:39,760
2026, the town removed all granite and

2585
01:49:39,760 --> 01:49:43,440
wooden posts and yards of loom.

2586
01:49:43,440 --> 01:49:46,480
Attorney uh Chapman goes on to uh say,

2587
01:49:46,480 --> 01:49:48,639
"I believe one might fairly question

2588
01:49:48,639 --> 01:49:49,920
whether any of the posts were

2589
01:49:49,920 --> 01:49:51,760
obstructing the encumbered travel way of

2590
01:49:51,760 --> 01:49:54,400
Stoddard Road." That said, there is a

2591
01:49:54,400 --> 01:49:56,239
1982 opinion by the New Hampshire

2592
01:49:56,239 --> 01:49:58,480
Attorney General that applies to Mr.

2593
01:49:58,480 --> 01:50:01,280
Rosinger situation. In relevant part it

2594
01:50:01,280 --> 01:50:04,000
states where the state has acquired only

2595
01:50:04,000 --> 01:50:05,760
an easement the owner of the underlying

2596
01:50:05,760 --> 01:50:08,320
fee. Usually the abuter retains certain

2597
01:50:08,320 --> 01:50:11,199
rights to the reasonable use of the land

2598
01:50:11,199 --> 01:50:13,440
italicized so long as such does not

2599
01:50:13,440 --> 01:50:15,600
interfere with the travel rights of the

2600
01:50:15,600 --> 01:50:18,400
public unalicized. The landowner has a

2601
01:50:18,400 --> 01:50:20,800
limited uh right to place wood stone or

2602
01:50:20,800 --> 01:50:22,719
other material within the rightway.

2603
01:50:22,719 --> 01:50:25,760
Windship versus Enfield 42 New Hampshire

2604
01:50:25,760 --> 01:50:28,239
9726-7

2605
01:50:28,239 --> 01:50:32,080
1860 Chamberlain versus Enfield 43 New

2606
01:50:32,080 --> 01:50:35,440
Hampshire 3561 1861 It's a question of

2607
01:50:35,440 --> 01:50:37,440
fact whether the whether under the

2608
01:50:37,440 --> 01:50:39,600
circumstances the material so placed

2609
01:50:39,600 --> 01:50:41,679
unnecessarily obstructs free passage of

2610
01:50:41,679 --> 01:50:43,360
the public over the over the right of

2611
01:50:43,360 --> 01:50:46,239
way graze versus shadic 35 New Hampshire

2612
01:50:46,239 --> 01:50:50,560
2571 1857 office the italicized office

2613
01:50:50,560 --> 01:50:52,480
the attorney general opinion unalicity

2614
01:50:52,480 --> 01:50:57,199
size number 821 1581 1982

2615
01:50:57,199 --> 01:51:01,360
WL 188209 at three emphasis added

2616
01:51:01,360 --> 01:51:03,199
permitting Mr. Rosinger to praise 18

2617
01:51:03,199 --> 01:51:04,560
grand a post on the east side of Started

2618
01:51:04,560 --> 01:51:06,480
Road would enable him to make reasonable

2619
01:51:06,480 --> 01:51:08,159
use of his land within the rightway yet

2620
01:51:08,159 --> 01:51:10,400
in no way interfere with the travel

2621
01:51:10,400 --> 01:51:12,560
traveling rights of the public. All

2622
01:51:12,560 --> 01:51:15,760
right. So, let's do this uh uh uh let's

2623
01:51:15,760 --> 01:51:19,600
do this in a threepart

2624
01:51:19,600 --> 01:51:25,119
uh process. Um I'd like a motion u um to

2625
01:51:25,119 --> 01:51:28,560
return Mr. Roseners's posts wood as well

2626
01:51:28,560 --> 01:51:31,679
as granite. And I would uh I would just

2627
01:51:31,679 --> 01:51:33,600
encourage that and I'll I guess I'll

2628
01:51:33,600 --> 01:51:35,280
make the motion and with the

2629
01:51:35,280 --> 01:51:37,679
understanding that if uh if they are to

2630
01:51:37,679 --> 01:51:40,000
be returned, he will be at his home and

2631
01:51:40,000 --> 01:51:41,679
he will allow us to go onto his property

2632
01:51:41,679 --> 01:51:43,920
to return the posts. So I'll make that

2633
01:51:43,920 --> 01:51:45,119
as a motion. Do I have a

2634
01:51:45,119 --> 01:51:47,920
>> I would also like that um he signs some

2635
01:51:47,920 --> 01:51:50,880
kind of document that we make that he's

2636
01:51:50,880 --> 01:51:52,880
in receipt of the posts.

2637
01:51:52,880 --> 01:51:54,719
>> I would like that added too.

2638
01:51:54,719 --> 01:51:57,760
>> Yes. Just to make sure that we deliver

2639
01:51:57,760 --> 01:51:59,679
18. He says there's 18. and he signs

2640
01:51:59,679 --> 01:52:01,520
that he's got 18 because what if all of

2641
01:52:01,520 --> 01:52:03,199
a sudden we make a mistake and we

2642
01:52:03,199 --> 01:52:05,599
deliver 17 but he thought he got 18 and

2643
01:52:05,599 --> 01:52:06,960
now there's a post that's missing an

2644
01:52:06,960 --> 01:52:07,599
action.

2645
01:52:07,599 --> 01:52:09,119
>> I think that makes sense. I agree.

2646
01:52:09,119 --> 01:52:10,639
>> Okay, I'll have a motion. We'll add to

2647
01:52:10,639 --> 01:52:11,840
that.

2648
01:52:11,840 --> 01:52:14,639
>> Could you add undamaged

2649
01:52:14,639 --> 01:52:17,760
if they're broken?

2650
01:52:17,760 --> 01:52:21,040
>> Yeah. If they become broken, who who who

2651
01:52:21,040 --> 01:52:27,589
compensates for the broken?

2652
01:52:27,599 --> 01:52:29,440
» Word members,

2653
01:52:29,440 --> 01:52:32,000
>> if if if we took 18 and we're choosing

2654
01:52:32,000 --> 01:52:34,000
to give 18 back, the 18 we give back

2655
01:52:34,000 --> 01:52:35,520
should be in the same condition as the

2656
01:52:35,520 --> 01:52:38,960
18 we took.

2657
01:52:38,960 --> 01:52:42,080
>> I I would prefer to say unbroken.

2658
01:52:42,080 --> 01:52:42,400
>> Yeah,

2659
01:52:42,400 --> 01:52:43,520
>> unbroken.

2660
01:52:43,520 --> 01:52:44,400
>> Okay.

2661
01:52:44,400 --> 01:52:46,159
>> All right. So, I can re write or re

2662
01:52:46,159 --> 01:52:47,679
resch this one. [clears throat] So there

2663
01:52:47,679 --> 01:52:49,199
I'll I'll put a motion together here

2664
01:52:49,199 --> 01:52:52,159
that says we will return uh all the

2665
01:52:52,159 --> 01:52:56,000
posts that we removed. 18 granite posts.

2666
01:52:56,000 --> 01:52:58,400
Is it 18? No, it's not 18 granite. It's

2667
01:52:58,400 --> 01:53:01,520
total posts.

2668
01:53:01,520 --> 01:53:03,199
We will return all the posts we took.

2669
01:53:03,199 --> 01:53:05,599
How's that? Okay. And we will return

2670
01:53:05,599 --> 01:53:08,320
them in an unbroken state. We will

2671
01:53:08,320 --> 01:53:09,840
return those posts provided you're home

2672
01:53:09,840 --> 01:53:11,199
and that you sign something that says

2673
01:53:11,199 --> 01:53:13,119
you receive them. The question then

2674
01:53:13,119 --> 01:53:17,040
becomes the loom. And I don't know how we denominate how much loom we send

2675
01:53:17,040 --> 01:53:18,960
back, but what do you want to do about

2676
01:53:18,960 --> 01:53:19,599
that? Claude,

2677
01:53:19,599 --> 01:53:20,880
>> why don't we just deal with the post

2678
01:53:20,880 --> 01:53:21,119
first?

2679
01:53:21,119 --> 01:53:22,480
>> Let's deal with the post first. I have a

2680
01:53:22,480 --> 01:53:22,880
motion

2681
01:53:22,880 --> 01:53:23,920
>> and I'll second that.

2682
01:53:23,920 --> 01:53:27,599
>> You have a second. Okay. Conversation.

2683
01:53:27,599 --> 01:53:29,360
>> All those in support of returning those

2684
01:53:29,360 --> 01:53:31,599
posts in unbroken state provided Mr.

2685
01:53:31,599 --> 01:53:33,360
Rosinger is home and signs something

2686
01:53:33,360 --> 01:53:35,440
that says he received them.

2687
01:53:35,440 --> 01:53:36,080
>> Say I.

2688
01:53:36,080 --> 01:53:36,639
>> I.

2689
01:53:36,639 --> 01:53:37,679
Okay.

2690
01:53:37,679 --> 01:53:39,760
>> Now, about the loom. Um, I don't know

2691
01:53:39,760 --> 01:53:41,360
how we denominate that.

2692
01:53:41,360 --> 01:53:43,599
>> So, what So, why don't you ask Mr. to

2693
01:53:43,599 --> 01:53:45,760
Roser to provide a receipt for the loan

2694
01:53:45,760 --> 01:53:49,119
that was that he purchased and that way

2695
01:53:49,119 --> 01:53:52,400
cuz we take all of it.

2696
01:53:52,400 --> 01:53:54,000
>> Ask him

2697
01:53:54,000 --> 01:53:56,159
>> um who spread the loom.

2698
01:53:56,159 --> 01:53:58,080
>> I I can

2699
01:53:58,080 --> 01:53:58,880
>> Linda

2700
01:53:58,880 --> 01:54:00,480
>> I thought when you were here you said

2701
01:54:00,480 --> 01:54:01,920
you didn't want the loan.

2702
01:54:01,920 --> 01:54:02,639
>> I think that's what you said.

2703
01:54:02,639 --> 01:54:05,040
>> You were saying oh no just forget about

2704
01:54:05,040 --> 01:54:07,280
the LOM.

2705
01:54:07,280 --> 01:54:08,719
>> We'll have to go back and look at that.

2706
01:54:08,719 --> 01:54:12,239
I'm I'm sure that was the case but

2707
01:54:12,239 --> 01:54:13,760
>> come on up Claude. I need you. I need

2708
01:54:13,760 --> 01:54:19,990
you at the microphone. [snorts]

2709
01:54:20,000 --> 01:54:23,360
» It was high-grade lom. It had excellent

2710
01:54:23,360 --> 01:54:26,560
seed for that purpose. Uh about 100

2711
01:54:26,560 --> 01:54:29,920
pounds of seed as I recall. And the lom

2712
01:54:29,920 --> 01:54:31,840
was

2713
01:54:31,840 --> 01:54:33,119
Now, I'm not going to do it for memory.

2714
01:54:33,119 --> 01:54:35,280
I know that it was about $2,000 of loan.

2715
01:54:35,280 --> 01:54:36,320
>> Uh 2,000

2716
01:54:36,320 --> 01:54:37,840
>> $2,000 of loan.

2717
01:54:37,840 --> 01:54:38,880
>> $2,000.

2718
01:54:38,880 --> 01:54:40,480
>> So you have a receipt for that?

2719
01:54:40,480 --> 01:54:43,760
>> You can. Yeah, of course. Mhm.

2720
01:54:43,760 --> 01:54:46,880
>> for the CEO that too.

2721
01:54:46,880 --> 01:54:48,320
>> So board members, you know, I don't know

2722
01:54:48,320 --> 01:54:50,000
if we took all the loan, but board

2723
01:54:50,000 --> 01:54:52,719
members, uh, we have a an ask by Mr.

2724
01:54:52,719 --> 01:54:56,639
Rosinger to u return the equivalent of

2725
01:54:56,639 --> 01:54:58,239
$2,000 worth of loan and see.

2726
01:54:58,239 --> 01:55:00,719
>> Well, let let me be I'm telling you I'd

2727
01:55:00,719 --> 01:55:02,880
like to confirm the number. It's not

2728
01:55:02,880 --> 01:55:05,440
more than that, but uh happy to provide

2729
01:55:05,440 --> 01:55:06,480
the receipts.

2730
01:55:06,480 --> 01:55:08,000
>> Okay. So, how do we want to do this,

2731
01:55:08,000 --> 01:55:10,400
Linda? Well, I guess my feeling is I

2732
01:55:10,400 --> 01:55:12,800
understand the post and everything, but

2733
01:55:12,800 --> 01:55:15,199
he had an opportunity to remove it prior

2734
01:55:15,199 --> 01:55:16,800
to us coming. He knew we were going to

2735
01:55:16,800 --> 01:55:19,040
come do it. He had two letters he

2736
01:55:19,040 --> 01:55:20,320
received.

2737
01:55:20,320 --> 01:55:22,320
>> I understand the value of the granite

2738
01:55:22,320 --> 01:55:24,000
post and putting those back, but I'm

2739
01:55:24,000 --> 01:55:26,480
having a hard time with the lom.

2740
01:55:26,480 --> 01:55:30,800
>> Well, if I may, I'll comment that. Uh,

2741
01:55:30,800 --> 01:55:33,040
number one, the letters, we dispute the

2742
01:55:33,040 --> 01:55:35,040
legality of those letters

2743
01:55:35,040 --> 01:55:37,599
>> and we and you know that we disputed it.

2744
01:55:37,599 --> 01:55:40,719
So that's an open question today.

2745
01:55:40,719 --> 01:55:43,440
>> The second thing is the second letter

2746
01:55:43,440 --> 01:55:46,719
just for amusement

2747
01:55:46,719 --> 01:55:48,800
was received certified mail on the

2748
01:55:48,800 --> 01:55:51,520
Friday of Memorial Day weekend with the

2749
01:55:51,520 --> 01:55:53,440
instruction that if I didn't act over

2750
01:55:53,440 --> 01:55:54,560
the weekend,

2751
01:55:54,560 --> 01:55:55,840
>> everything would be ripped out on the

2752
01:55:55,840 --> 01:55:57,840
Monday, which it was.

2753
01:55:57,840 --> 01:56:00,719
>> I don't think a letter like that stands

2754
01:56:00,719 --> 01:56:03,520
scrutiny. Mhm.

2755
01:56:03,520 --> 01:56:07,440
>> So, yes. And then when it came to having

2756
01:56:07,440 --> 01:56:09,760
it all ripped out, which had been Mr.

2757
01:56:09,760 --> 01:56:11,760
Randall's purpose, he wanted to do that,

2758
01:56:11,760 --> 01:56:14,400
and that was obviously long planned.

2759
01:56:14,400 --> 01:56:16,719
>> I said, "Well, at least leave the lom or

2760
01:56:16,719 --> 01:56:18,960
use it. Use it for the work you're

2761
01:56:18,960 --> 01:56:20,080
doing."

2762
01:56:20,080 --> 01:56:22,800
>> No, no, we want our own.

2763
01:56:22,800 --> 01:56:26,480
>> Fine. So, high high-grade lom far better

2764
01:56:26,480 --> 01:56:29,280
than what was put down. was simply put

2765
01:56:29,280 --> 01:56:32,159
in a dump truck and taken away.

2766
01:56:32,159 --> 01:56:35,040
>> Okay. All right. So, um, what do you

2767
01:56:35,040 --> 01:56:36,560
want to do, Bo? You want to put a motion

2768
01:56:36,560 --> 01:56:42,310
up? I'll entertain it.

2769
01:56:42,320 --> 01:56:45,280
» So, there is a picture of the side of

2770
01:56:45,280 --> 01:56:47,920
the road where the grass and the lom is

2771
01:56:47,920 --> 01:56:51,440
all there. It's all It's all growing in.

2772
01:56:51,440 --> 01:56:54,239
And I think if you go up there now,

2773
01:56:54,239 --> 01:56:57,280
that's it's not there anymore.

2774
01:56:57,280 --> 01:57:00,960
So, I think he's just asking for equal

2775
01:57:00,960 --> 01:57:03,440
compensation for I mean, that's storm

2776
01:57:03,440 --> 01:57:04,960
water management by the looks of it.

2777
01:57:04,960 --> 01:57:06,480
That looks like it's going to stop the

2778
01:57:06,480 --> 01:57:09,040
water from uh carrying the the fines

2779
01:57:09,040 --> 01:57:11,199
away on the side of the road. It's when

2780
01:57:11,199 --> 01:57:13,199
uh when water comes, it's going to slow

2781
01:57:13,199 --> 01:57:14,880
it down before it gets to the road. I

2782
01:57:14,880 --> 01:57:16,480
mean, there's a lot there's a lot of

2783
01:57:16,480 --> 01:57:18,960
benefactor to what was accomplished

2784
01:57:18,960 --> 01:57:22,390
there.

2785
01:57:22,400 --> 01:57:29,350
» Do I have a motion from anybody?

2786
01:57:29,360 --> 01:57:32,159
I think somebody had a rem

2787
01:57:32,159 --> 01:57:35,840
Dave a little louder in the mic, please.

2788
01:57:35,840 --> 01:57:38,639
>> How about if we um

2789
01:57:38,639 --> 01:57:42,480
ask Mr. Rosen to supply some

2790
01:57:42,480 --> 01:57:45,360
uh billing as far as the amount of soil

2791
01:57:45,360 --> 01:57:49,280
he was he had put down in some estimate

2792
01:57:49,280 --> 01:57:53,360
from Steve or whoever either stay Steve

2793
01:57:53,360 --> 01:57:56,960
uh Randall or Steve Peshy as far as how

2794
01:57:56,960 --> 01:57:59,440
much was removed.

2795
01:57:59,440 --> 01:58:01,199
>> I don't think there's an appetite here

2796
01:58:01,199 --> 01:58:05,119
unless I'm wrong uh to uh uh to to

2797
01:58:05,119 --> 01:58:08,000
discuss or vote on this motion. I think

2798
01:58:08,000 --> 01:58:09,760
what you're suggesting is let's get a

2799
01:58:09,760 --> 01:58:11,440
little more information from from you,

2800
01:58:11,440 --> 01:58:12,400
Claude,

2801
01:58:12,400 --> 01:58:14,560
>> about uh maybe receipts or whatever you

2802
01:58:14,560 --> 01:58:16,480
have and then we can take it up at at

2803
01:58:16,480 --> 01:58:17,679
another time.

2804
01:58:17,679 --> 01:58:19,280
>> And I think what Dave is saying too is

2805
01:58:19,280 --> 01:58:21,760
that um

2806
01:58:21,760 --> 01:58:25,199
we don't know how much loom they took.

2807
01:58:25,199 --> 01:58:26,639
We don't know if they took the whole

2808
01:58:26,639 --> 01:58:30,000
$2,000 worth of loom. If they took more,

2809
01:58:30,000 --> 01:58:32,480
if they took less,

2810
01:58:32,480 --> 01:58:33,679
we don't know. Um I

2811
01:58:33,679 --> 01:58:39,189
>> just want some parameters. Yeah,

2812
01:58:39,199 --> 01:58:41,760
» we have the fixtures. They ripped up the

2813
01:58:41,760 --> 01:58:43,920
roadside. It took far more

2814
01:58:43,920 --> 01:58:45,520
>> including the roadside that was already

2815
01:58:45,520 --> 01:58:46,480
there

2816
01:58:46,480 --> 01:58:48,560
>> or you know I I think this comes down to

2817
01:58:48,560 --> 01:58:51,520
more data from tell us show us some

2818
01:58:51,520 --> 01:58:53,840
>> So I'm simply providing the receipts.

2819
01:58:53,840 --> 01:58:54,400
>> Yeah,

2820
01:58:54,400 --> 01:58:55,280
>> that's gone.

2821
01:58:55,280 --> 01:58:59,920
>> Yeah. And I think that if I may suggest,

2822
01:58:59,920 --> 01:59:02,320
I think that I've been through enough on

2823
01:59:02,320 --> 01:59:05,599
this and you all know what happened.

2824
01:59:05,599 --> 01:59:08,719
>> It was wrong.

2825
01:59:08,719 --> 01:59:13,360
And what I'm asking for is moderate,

2826
01:59:13,360 --> 01:59:15,360
>> very moderate. I've tried to be

2827
01:59:15,360 --> 01:59:19,280
reasonable throughout this thing.

2828
01:59:19,280 --> 01:59:21,119
>> So I would appreciate consideration of

2829
01:59:21,119 --> 01:59:21,520
it.

2830
01:59:21,520 --> 01:59:21,840
>> Okay.

2831
01:59:21,840 --> 01:59:22,400
>> Thank you.

2832
01:59:22,400 --> 01:59:24,000
It was another I appreciate

2833
01:59:24,000 --> 01:59:27,040
that. So you you will get us some more

2834
01:59:27,040 --> 01:59:29,760
information. Another matter which is uh

2835
01:59:29,760 --> 01:59:32,480
there was a fine the bill in materials

2836
01:59:32,480 --> 01:59:37,750
of $2550.

2837
01:59:37,760 --> 01:59:38,960
Board members, what do you want to do

2838
01:59:38,960 --> 01:59:41,119
about that?

2839
01:59:41,119 --> 01:59:51,030
>> Was the fine paid? No,

2840
01:59:51,040 --> 01:59:54,480
» it let me just say is this is this in

2841
01:59:54,480 --> 01:59:55,599
court?

2842
01:59:55,599 --> 01:59:56,480
>> Yeah,

2843
01:59:56,480 --> 01:59:58,800
>> that's he was saying that he was had

2844
01:59:58,800 --> 02:00:03,119
filed against the uh way he was noticed.

2845
02:00:03,119 --> 02:00:05,840
Is that in court

2846
02:00:05,840 --> 02:00:07,760
now? Did you get an answer on that? I

2847
02:00:07,760 --> 02:00:11,760
thought you said that you had um

2848
02:00:11,760 --> 02:00:12,400
>> it was a legal

2849
02:00:12,400 --> 02:00:14,719
>> challenge and it was a legal matter the

2850
02:00:14,719 --> 02:00:18,000
way you were uh letters you received. Is

2851
02:00:18,000 --> 02:00:19,360
that in court now?

2852
02:00:19,360 --> 02:00:21,280
>> At this point there's nothing before

2853
02:00:21,280 --> 02:00:21,679
court.

2854
02:00:21,679 --> 02:00:23,840
>> Oh, you have Okay. You haven't filed

2855
02:00:23,840 --> 02:00:24,080
anything.

2856
02:00:24,080 --> 02:00:25,920
>> All I can say unless the town has done

2857
02:00:25,920 --> 02:00:26,320
something.

2858
02:00:26,320 --> 02:00:28,239
>> No, no. I thought you were saying you

2859
02:00:28,239 --> 02:00:29,520
had something. No, frankly. I

2860
02:00:29,520 --> 02:00:31,040
>> Thank you. I because I couldn't remember

2861
02:00:31,040 --> 02:00:31,599
anything. So,

2862
02:00:31,599 --> 02:00:33,119
>> I I said we disputed it.

2863
02:00:33,119 --> 02:00:34,080
>> You disputed? Yeah.

2864
02:00:34,080 --> 02:00:36,560
>> Okay. What what what would be your

2865
02:00:36,560 --> 02:00:38,480
opinion on the fine

2866
02:00:38,480 --> 02:00:39,520
>> on?

2867
02:00:39,520 --> 02:00:40,000
>> Yes.

2868
02:00:40,000 --> 02:00:40,960
>> On what?

2869
02:00:40,960 --> 02:00:43,360
>> The fine that Paul just mentioned. What

2870
02:00:43,360 --> 02:00:43,760
would you

2871
02:00:43,760 --> 02:00:46,400
>> I didn't see that.

2872
02:00:46,400 --> 02:00:47,040
>> What fine?

2873
02:00:47,040 --> 02:00:48,000
>> Where is that?

2874
02:00:48,000 --> 02:00:50,800
>> Uh you received a fine from uh for the

2875
02:00:50,800 --> 02:00:52,480
uh removal of posts on

2876
02:00:52,480 --> 02:00:53,760
>> Absolutely not.

2877
02:00:53,760 --> 02:00:54,080
>> Okay.

2878
02:00:54,080 --> 02:00:55,520
>> I did.

2879
02:00:55,520 --> 02:00:56,639
>> Not getting paid.

2880
02:00:56,639 --> 02:00:57,360
>> Yeah. Okay.

2881
02:00:57,360 --> 02:00:58,719
>> That's outrageous.

2882
02:00:58,719 --> 02:00:59,199
>> Okay.

2883
02:00:59,199 --> 02:01:01,520
>> They never had to be removed.

2884
02:01:01,520 --> 02:01:04,239
>> Okay. you and that is also one of the

2885
02:01:04,239 --> 02:01:07,280
things we have to decide.

2886
02:01:07,280 --> 02:01:10,400
>> I haven't seen any. You've got something

2887
02:01:10,400 --> 02:01:11,040
I don't have.

2888
02:01:11,040 --> 02:01:13,520
>> Has our town council weighed in on any

2889
02:01:13,520 --> 02:01:16,950
of this?

2890
02:01:16,960 --> 02:01:19,520
I mean, have they have they said that

2891
02:01:19,520 --> 02:01:21,280
the fine was uh

2892
02:01:21,280 --> 02:01:22,000
>> legitimate?

2893
02:01:22,000 --> 02:01:24,960
Not legitimate? I mean, I

2894
02:01:24,960 --> 02:01:26,560
believe he needs to get his property

2895
02:01:26,560 --> 02:01:28,320
back. I need I believe he needs to get

2896
02:01:28,320 --> 02:01:31,679
his loom back. Um, I don't know who

2897
02:01:31,679 --> 02:01:34,800
filed the fine and I assume it was our

2898
02:01:34,800 --> 02:01:37,599
prior town our interim I haven't seen

2899
02:01:37,599 --> 02:01:38,000
it.

2900
02:01:38,000 --> 02:01:41,920
>> I I haven't even lodged a request for

2901
02:01:41,920 --> 02:01:44,560
the cost of reinstallation.

2902
02:01:44,560 --> 02:01:46,159
I don't propose to do that.

2903
02:01:46,159 --> 02:01:47,679
>> Okay.

2904
02:01:47,679 --> 02:01:49,520
>> So, I think a little bit of give and

2905
02:01:49,520 --> 02:01:51,840
take would make sense.

2906
02:01:51,840 --> 02:01:53,840
uh

2907
02:01:53,840 --> 02:01:57,520
the ripping out of the post

2908
02:01:57,520 --> 02:02:01,119
with essentially no notice

2909
02:02:01,119 --> 02:02:04,880
and then to ask that they be held for

2910
02:02:04,880 --> 02:02:06,400
ransom, which is what it was.

2911
02:02:06,400 --> 02:02:07,360
>> Yeah.

2912
02:02:07,360 --> 02:02:09,520
>> Is not a reasonable and decent thing to

2913
02:02:09,520 --> 02:02:10,719
do. [clears throat]

2914
02:02:10,719 --> 02:02:12,080
>> Should never have happened.

2915
02:02:12,080 --> 02:02:15,040
>> I'm not going to u if you want me. Go

2916
02:02:15,040 --> 02:02:16,080
ahead, Claude. Sorry.

2917
02:02:16,080 --> 02:02:18,080
>> No, I I don't I tried to make this

2918
02:02:18,080 --> 02:02:21,920
short. No, I'm not going to uh I don't

2919
02:02:21,920 --> 02:02:23,280
think I'm going to press the question at

2920
02:02:23,280 --> 02:02:24,800
this time because now there's a question

2921
02:02:24,800 --> 02:02:27,360
of legality

2922
02:02:27,360 --> 02:02:30,639
um about u some matters here.

2923
02:02:30,639 --> 02:02:32,080
>> What's that?

2924
02:02:32,080 --> 02:02:33,679
>> I was just responding to what Mr.

2925
02:02:33,679 --> 02:02:36,239
Rosener said. Legality is an issue. He's

2926
02:02:36,239 --> 02:02:38,320
got a legality of what we're doing is an

2927
02:02:38,320 --> 02:02:41,440
issue. Okay. But there is a third

2928
02:02:41,440 --> 02:02:43,520
question and uh we'll put it on the on

2929
02:02:43,520 --> 02:02:46,239
the table and that is

2930
02:02:46,239 --> 02:02:48,159
acknowledging that Mr. Rosinger has the

2931
02:02:48,159 --> 02:02:51,189
right

2932
02:02:51,199 --> 02:02:53,199
to reinstall the posts in that property

2933
02:02:53,199 --> 02:02:54,800
location. Is that what you're

2934
02:02:54,800 --> 02:02:55,599
>> I'm sorry.

2935
02:02:55,599 --> 02:02:57,360
>> Yeah, I'm sorry, Claude. You You're When

2936
02:02:57,360 --> 02:02:59,520
you came to the microphone last time,

2937
02:02:59,520 --> 02:03:02,080
you said you want us to acknowledge that

2938
02:03:02,080 --> 02:03:04,159
you have the right to reinstall those

2939
02:03:04,159 --> 02:03:04,480
post

2940
02:03:04,480 --> 02:03:05,760
>> and we were speaking about the granite

2941
02:03:05,760 --> 02:03:07,440
post on the east side of the road.

2942
02:03:07,440 --> 02:03:08,320
>> That's right.

2943
02:03:08,320 --> 02:03:11,760
>> Okay. Board members,

2944
02:03:11,760 --> 02:03:13,920
>> I I got to go back. Did we get an

2945
02:03:13,920 --> 02:03:16,239
opinion from town attorney whether he

2946
02:03:16,239 --> 02:03:18,960
has a right and we've got something from

2947
02:03:18,960 --> 02:03:24,239
his lawyer? It's going back to uh 1860.

2948
02:03:24,239 --> 02:03:28,560
Um and so if we got a legal point here,

2949
02:03:28,560 --> 02:03:30,800
we should know the answer.

2950
02:03:30,800 --> 02:03:33,280
>> And I don't have any information on

2951
02:03:33,280 --> 02:03:34,239
that.

2952
02:03:34,239 --> 02:03:37,520
>> I don't have a document from anybody in

2953
02:03:37,520 --> 02:03:39,360
the town giving him permission to put

2954
02:03:39,360 --> 02:03:43,520
them there, you know. Um, and I think

2955
02:03:43,520 --> 02:03:45,679
the question is, does he have a right to

2956
02:03:45,679 --> 02:03:47,760
put them there? And and we don't have an

2957
02:03:47,760 --> 02:03:50,239
opinion on that, and I'm not a lawyer.

2958
02:03:50,239 --> 02:03:53,119
>> Well, it seems to me, if I may make the

2959
02:03:53,119 --> 02:03:55,760
suggestion, this can be resolved easily

2960
02:03:55,760 --> 02:03:59,440
or the hard way. I propose easily for

2961
02:03:59,440 --> 02:04:01,520
both parties.

2962
02:04:01,520 --> 02:04:04,000
Now, the right,

2963
02:04:04,000 --> 02:04:06,159
we already have established that six of

2964
02:04:06,159 --> 02:04:09,520
the posts were approved by Scott Pike.

2965
02:04:09,520 --> 02:04:13,119
>> I have no document. And

2966
02:04:13,119 --> 02:04:16,080
no, that won't do because they stood

2967
02:04:16,080 --> 02:04:19,840
there for nearly a decade. Nobody said a

2968
02:04:19,840 --> 02:04:22,719
word. And by the way, when I spoke to

2969
02:04:22,719 --> 02:04:25,760
Scott Pike, when Mr. Muio pretended that

2970
02:04:25,760 --> 02:04:28,560
he had spoken to Pike and Pike disavowed

2971
02:04:28,560 --> 02:04:30,239
having been with me when the posts were

2972
02:04:30,239 --> 02:04:34,239
placed. That wasn't true. Mr. Pike told

2973
02:04:34,239 --> 02:04:37,679
me clearly, "No, I was there with you."

2974
02:04:37,679 --> 02:04:39,840
>> I think clearly we need at least

2975
02:04:39,840 --> 02:04:42,320
opinion. think that to take it if we

2976
02:04:42,320 --> 02:04:44,880
start to go back to lawyers, we spend

2977
02:04:44,880 --> 02:04:46,480
money on your side, we're going to end

2978
02:04:46,480 --> 02:04:49,040
up spending money on my side and what do

2979
02:04:49,040 --> 02:04:51,199
we really accomplish? Isn't there an

2980
02:04:51,199 --> 02:04:53,119
issue here of common sense and common

2981
02:04:53,119 --> 02:04:55,280
decency that should enter into this

2982
02:04:55,280 --> 02:04:58,560
discussion? Those posts were there and

2983
02:04:58,560 --> 02:05:00,960
then the ones we added were added in the

2984
02:05:00,960 --> 02:05:03,520
same line but further from the center

2985
02:05:03,520 --> 02:05:06,159
line of the road than the original six.

2986
02:05:06,159 --> 02:05:09,119
I did that as a specific instruction to

2987
02:05:09,119 --> 02:05:13,280
prevent exactly what arose.

2988
02:05:13,280 --> 02:05:15,599
>> Why was all this done? You know why it

2989
02:05:15,599 --> 02:05:18,719
was done. I know why it was done. It was

2990
02:05:18,719 --> 02:05:20,719
done by an angry public works director

2991
02:05:20,719 --> 02:05:22,480
who wanted to show his authority over

2992
02:05:22,480 --> 02:05:24,320
us.

2993
02:05:24,320 --> 02:05:24,880
>> Okay,

2994
02:05:24,880 --> 02:05:26,159
>> let's be honest about that.

2995
02:05:26,159 --> 02:05:28,800
>> All right. So, Mr. Mr. Rosinger, I I

2996
02:05:28,800 --> 02:05:30,480
respect your comment about starting with

2997
02:05:30,480 --> 02:05:31,840
lawyers, but what I have in my

2998
02:05:31,840 --> 02:05:36,080
possession is comments from your lawyer.

2999
02:05:36,080 --> 02:05:38,159
>> But but we can easily,

3000
02:05:38,159 --> 02:05:38,960
>> right?

3001
02:05:38,960 --> 02:05:42,480
>> I would prefer to desist.

3002
02:05:42,480 --> 02:05:45,199
If you desist, I desist.

3003
02:05:45,199 --> 02:05:47,280
>> It's what I suggested in August when I

3004
02:05:47,280 --> 02:05:49,119
met. Mhm.

3005
02:05:49,119 --> 02:05:52,560
>> The thing that most vexed me was that

3006
02:05:52,560 --> 02:05:55,599
repeated offers to meet

3007
02:05:55,599 --> 02:05:58,320
just to resolve the matter

3008
02:05:58,320 --> 02:06:01,040
>> were rejected out of hand.

3009
02:06:01,040 --> 02:06:02,480
>> Why would that have been?

3010
02:06:02,480 --> 02:06:04,320
>> Because when lawyers get involved, we

3011
02:06:04,320 --> 02:06:05,360
don't.

3012
02:06:05,360 --> 02:06:07,440
>> No, that's not a good answer because we

3013
02:06:07,440 --> 02:06:09,679
can overrule our lawyers at any moment.

3014
02:06:09,679 --> 02:06:11,920
We can step in and say, "Let's fix it."

3015
02:06:11,920 --> 02:06:13,360
>> Yeah. Linda,

3016
02:06:13,360 --> 02:06:15,760
>> and I think we have a bigger question

3017
02:06:15,760 --> 02:06:18,800
and not just your spot, but on any

3018
02:06:18,800 --> 02:06:23,520
rightway, dirt road. What is the town's

3019
02:06:23,520 --> 02:06:26,800
rightway? And is it right for the town

3020
02:06:26,800 --> 02:06:28,880
to let people put things in that

3021
02:06:28,880 --> 02:06:32,480
rightway? And that's you over here, over

3022
02:06:32,480 --> 02:06:34,480
there, anywhere else. And that's what

3023
02:06:34,480 --> 02:06:37,520
this is is um refer

3024
02:06:37,520 --> 02:06:41,599
>> referring to I I would like to have an

3025
02:06:41,599 --> 02:06:44,639
town attorney's opinion on that. Not to

3026
02:06:44,639 --> 02:06:46,880
go after you, but to get a true

3027
02:06:46,880 --> 02:06:50,079
understanding cuz do you owe to the

3028
02:06:50,079 --> 02:06:52,639
middle section of the road or not?

3029
02:06:52,639 --> 02:06:54,800
>> And I I want that. That's what I'm

3030
02:06:54,800 --> 02:06:55,679
looking for. I'm not

3031
02:06:55,679 --> 02:06:57,040
>> fine. If you're going if you're looking

3032
02:06:57,040 --> 02:07:00,800
for it looking forward, I can't gain

3033
02:07:00,800 --> 02:07:01,840
that.

3034
02:07:01,840 --> 02:07:03,920
>> But I can tell you this. If you're going

3035
02:07:03,920 --> 02:07:08,079
to go after all the things in town that

3036
02:07:08,079 --> 02:07:10,480
are located at the same centerline

3037
02:07:10,480 --> 02:07:12,480
distances and in the right of way as you

3038
02:07:12,480 --> 02:07:14,639
claimed mine were,

3039
02:07:14,639 --> 02:07:17,119
>> you've got hundreds of items to go

3040
02:07:17,119 --> 02:07:18,800
after. You can start on Sul Road, by the

3041
02:07:18,800 --> 02:07:20,239
way. There are stone walls and all kinds

3042
02:07:20,239 --> 02:07:20,880
of things.

3043
02:07:20,880 --> 02:07:23,280
>> Yeah. I I still want to get that

3044
02:07:23,280 --> 02:07:25,520
understanding from the attorney. That's

3045
02:07:25,520 --> 02:07:28,560
what I'm asking for. I'm not asking to

3046
02:07:28,560 --> 02:07:30,719
>> My issue shouldn't be paused for that.

3047
02:07:30,719 --> 02:07:32,639
I'd like to get these back in before the

3048
02:07:32,639 --> 02:07:34,000
frost comes.

3049
02:07:34,000 --> 02:07:34,719
>> I'm not.

3050
02:07:34,719 --> 02:07:36,880
>> By the way, one one thing just the South

3051
02:07:36,880 --> 02:07:39,199
Wolf Bro Cemetery

3052
02:07:39,199 --> 02:07:41,119
has granite posts of the same type.

3053
02:07:41,119 --> 02:07:43,199
They're nearer the center line

3054
02:07:43,199 --> 02:07:45,119
>> and that's not a class five road. It's a

3055
02:07:45,119 --> 02:07:48,239
class four, I think.

3056
02:07:48,239 --> 02:07:50,000
>> I still

3057
02:07:50,000 --> 02:07:51,599
I understand. I'm simply telling you

3058
02:07:51,599 --> 02:07:55,119
that the the

3059
02:07:55,119 --> 02:07:58,400
I'm trying to

3060
02:07:58,400 --> 02:08:00,159
you have some experience with lawyers. I

3061
02:08:00,159 --> 02:08:01,760
have some experience with lawyers.

3062
02:08:01,760 --> 02:08:04,639
>> They have their use utility.

3063
02:08:04,639 --> 02:08:05,679
>> You're married to one.

3064
02:08:05,679 --> 02:08:08,800
>> I may think more utility than you do.

3065
02:08:08,800 --> 02:08:11,679
>> So, it's just there's a time if we want

3066
02:08:11,679 --> 02:08:13,679
to resolve things, there's a time to

3067
02:08:13,679 --> 02:08:16,159
resolve it. Shake hands and be done

3068
02:08:16,159 --> 02:08:17,920
with.

3069
02:08:17,920 --> 02:08:20,239
>> That's that time.

3070
02:08:20,239 --> 02:08:22,159
now what you do for the future and so

3071
02:08:22,159 --> 02:08:24,239
forth. I'm simply pointing out that if

3072
02:08:24,239 --> 02:08:27,199
you apply those rules, good luck to you

3073
02:08:27,199 --> 02:08:29,280
because almost every road in town has

3074
02:08:29,280 --> 02:08:30,079
similar things.

3075
02:08:30,079 --> 02:08:32,159
>> I still would like an understanding of

3076
02:08:32,159 --> 02:08:34,800
what that and the law and what it says.

3077
02:08:34,800 --> 02:08:37,119
>> However, what it does not say I can give

3078
02:08:37,119 --> 02:08:39,440
you a it does not say that the town can

3079
02:08:39,440 --> 02:08:42,000
clear the right of way. The right of way

3080
02:08:42,000 --> 02:08:45,360
is a is a three rods wide and it allows

3081
02:08:45,360 --> 02:08:47,760
the town to pass a roadway through that.

3082
02:08:47,760 --> 02:08:50,239
It does not allow the town to build a

3083
02:08:50,239 --> 02:08:52,480
three rod wide road.

3084
02:08:52,480 --> 02:08:54,000
>> So, this isn't meant to be a trick

3085
02:08:54,000 --> 02:08:54,480
question.

3086
02:08:54,480 --> 02:08:54,960
>> Yeah.

3087
02:08:54,960 --> 02:08:56,880
>> But here it comes, right? It's not meant

3088
02:08:56,880 --> 02:08:58,480
to be a trick question.

3089
02:08:58,480 --> 02:09:00,079
>> You've told me us

3090
02:09:00,079 --> 02:09:00,400
>> Yeah.

3091
02:09:00,400 --> 02:09:01,760
>> You know roads.

3092
02:09:01,760 --> 02:09:02,159
>> I do.

3093
02:09:02,159 --> 02:09:04,159
>> And you told us right now you know how

3094
02:09:04,159 --> 02:09:05,840
roads get laid out.

3095
02:09:05,840 --> 02:09:06,400
>> Yeah.

3096
02:09:06,400 --> 02:09:08,800
>> And you just told us that you went to a

3097
02:09:08,800 --> 02:09:10,639
manager of the public works department

3098
02:09:10,639 --> 02:09:12,800
and got permission.

3099
02:09:12,800 --> 02:09:14,320
>> That I went to the manager of

3100
02:09:14,320 --> 02:09:15,679
>> Yeah. went to Scott Pike, a manager in

3101
02:09:15,679 --> 02:09:16,880
the public works department, to get

3102
02:09:16,880 --> 02:09:19,840
permission to lay out your road.

3103
02:09:19,840 --> 02:09:22,800
>> Selectman lay out roads.

3104
02:09:22,800 --> 02:09:27,360
>> Well, would as a as a citizen,

3105
02:09:27,360 --> 02:09:29,119
>> am I

3106
02:09:29,119 --> 02:09:32,639
uh supposed to know the entire procedure

3107
02:09:32,639 --> 02:09:37,520
of how the town approves things? If you go to a manager in the town,

3108
02:09:37,520 --> 02:09:39,360
>> that manager should know what that

3109
02:09:39,360 --> 02:09:40,560
procedure is. Yeah.

3110
02:09:40,560 --> 02:09:42,639
>> So, he either knows that he is

3111
02:09:42,639 --> 02:09:45,040
authorized to do that or he knows he's

3112
02:09:45,040 --> 02:09:47,679
not. And he would say so, wouldn't he?

3113
02:09:47,679 --> 02:09:50,079
>> But if he says he is,

3114
02:09:50,079 --> 02:09:52,880
>> you have a reasonable right to take that

3115
02:09:52,880 --> 02:09:55,599
as true. And Mr. Pike, by the way, I

3116
02:09:55,599 --> 02:09:57,199
think is an honorable man.

3117
02:09:57,199 --> 02:09:58,079
>> I think he is too.

3118
02:09:58,079 --> 02:10:00,320
>> Always found him to be that. So, if he

3119
02:10:00,320 --> 02:10:02,800
did that and if he said he did that,

3120
02:10:02,800 --> 02:10:04,719
>> I don't know how you can claim that it

3121
02:10:04,719 --> 02:10:07,280
wasn't approved or authorized. and then

3122
02:10:07,280 --> 02:10:09,440
that it stood there for nearly a decade

3123
02:10:09,440 --> 02:10:12,719
without anybody saying a word.

3124
02:10:12,719 --> 02:10:14,000
>> Okay, board members, what do you want to

3125
02:10:14,000 --> 02:10:14,320
do?

3126
02:10:14,320 --> 02:10:15,280
>> I have a question,

3127
02:10:15,280 --> 02:10:16,159
>> John.

3128
02:10:16,159 --> 02:10:19,360
>> So, Linda, should shouldn't the town

3129
02:10:19,360 --> 02:10:21,520
have had an understanding first before

3130
02:10:21,520 --> 02:10:24,320
they singled out one citizen?

3131
02:10:24,320 --> 02:10:27,040
>> I I I I'm

3132
02:10:27,040 --> 02:10:28,560
No, you're trying to get into debate

3133
02:10:28,560 --> 02:10:31,599
with me. What I'm saying is I would like

3134
02:10:31,599 --> 02:10:35,280
an understanding of that and when I get

3135
02:10:35,280 --> 02:10:38,400
attorney's opinion on exactly what you

3136
02:10:38,400 --> 02:10:41,280
do you own from the middle of the road

3137
02:10:41,280 --> 02:10:43,840
what is it do you want does the person

3138
02:10:43,840 --> 02:10:46,639
uh own the underlying land that's one

3139
02:10:46,639 --> 02:10:48,400
way how is the road accepted what are

3140
02:10:48,400 --> 02:10:51,360
the different ways so I can get get do

3141
02:10:51,360 --> 02:10:54,639
some thinking about this

3142
02:10:54,639 --> 02:10:57,040
that's what I'm looking for

3143
02:10:57,040 --> 02:11:00,239
>> what I'm referring to is there is a

3144
02:11:00,239 --> 02:11:03,199
stone wall down on S road at 352 that's

3145
02:11:03,199 --> 02:11:06,239
built 2 ft from the edge of the road.

3146
02:11:06,239 --> 02:11:08,239
There's post down that railroad a that

3147
02:11:08,239 --> 02:11:11,040
are put in by the town that are like 10

3148
02:11:11,040 --> 02:11:12,320
in from the road. I

3149
02:11:12,320 --> 02:11:13,280
>> I'm looking at

3150
02:11:13,280 --> 02:11:15,440
>> this lom at Brewster Academy that was

3151
02:11:15,440 --> 02:11:18,639
just put down next to Esbrook Road.

3152
02:11:18,639 --> 02:11:21,679
>> I'm looking at trying to get a handle on

3153
02:11:21,679 --> 02:11:24,480
exactly what is the wall. That's what

3154
02:11:24,480 --> 02:11:26,159
I'm trying to do. And you're pointing

3155
02:11:26,159 --> 02:11:29,040
these different things out. Maybe we do.

3156
02:11:29,040 --> 02:11:33,040
I don't know how the law reads about who

3157
02:11:33,040 --> 02:11:35,199
owns to where.

3158
02:11:35,199 --> 02:11:36,960
>> Some things [snorts] I've read said you

3159
02:11:36,960 --> 02:11:39,119
own to the middle of the road and

3160
02:11:39,119 --> 02:11:41,199
>> what rights do you have? I I think

3161
02:11:41,199 --> 02:11:43,040
there's enough question here that we

3162
02:11:43,040 --> 02:11:45,360
should get a clear understanding.

3163
02:11:45,360 --> 02:11:45,679
>> So

3164
02:11:45,679 --> 02:11:46,960
>> that's what I'm looking for.

3165
02:11:46,960 --> 02:11:49,920
>> So if if you get a clear understanding,

3166
02:11:49,920 --> 02:11:51,760
will you go to all those places

3167
02:11:51,760 --> 02:11:54,320
throughout the town, pick them all up?

3168
02:11:54,320 --> 02:11:56,480
I want to understand and then I'll think

3169
02:11:56,480 --> 02:11:58,639
about the different areas and try to

3170
02:11:58,639 --> 02:12:00,239
make a decision

3171
02:12:00,239 --> 02:12:01,840
>> and we've got one here.

3172
02:12:01,840 --> 02:12:02,400
>> Okay.

3173
02:12:02,400 --> 02:12:02,880
>> All right.

3174
02:12:02,880 --> 02:12:03,360
>> Just

3175
02:12:03,360 --> 02:12:04,960
>> and I live on a dirt road and there are

3176
02:12:04,960 --> 02:12:06,320
things on our dirt road and there are

3177
02:12:06,320 --> 02:12:07,520
other dirt roads that have it.

3178
02:12:07,520 --> 02:12:09,440
>> I know I went down your dirt road today.

3179
02:12:09,440 --> 02:12:12,800
>> Okay. So there you need to take a look

3180
02:12:12,800 --> 02:12:15,040
at what's going on.

3181
02:12:15,040 --> 02:12:15,360
>> So

3182
02:12:15,360 --> 02:12:17,199
>> and I want to understand the law.

3183
02:12:17,199 --> 02:12:19,280
>> So here here's at least my opinion.

3184
02:12:19,280 --> 02:12:20,800
Here's where I come out on it. And this

3185
02:12:20,800 --> 02:12:23,840
is a very lawyerly document.

3186
02:12:23,840 --> 02:12:27,199
my opinion written by your lawyer.

3187
02:12:27,199 --> 02:12:30,960
That's a fact. States case law. That's a

3188
02:12:30,960 --> 02:12:33,360
fact.

3189
02:12:33,360 --> 02:12:35,199
You're disputing

3190
02:12:35,199 --> 02:12:37,760
uh whether we should or should not uh

3191
02:12:37,760 --> 02:12:40,320
allow you to put the post back. I

3192
02:12:40,320 --> 02:12:42,800
believe that's a fact. We'll get advice

3193
02:12:42,800 --> 02:12:46,880
of our lawyer and we'll get back to you.

3194
02:12:46,880 --> 02:12:48,320
That's about as best as I would

3195
02:12:48,320 --> 02:12:50,400
recommend us to do. I would like us to

3196
02:12:50,400 --> 02:12:52,639
stop bouncing between lawyers.

3197
02:12:52,639 --> 02:12:53,760
>> Yeah, I would too

3198
02:12:53,760 --> 02:12:54,880
>> because there's no need.

3199
02:12:54,880 --> 02:12:57,360
>> It gets expensive.

3200
02:12:57,360 --> 02:12:58,719
>> And I don't understand.

3201
02:12:58,719 --> 02:13:00,079
>> And it takes a lot of time.

3202
02:13:00,079 --> 02:13:02,159
>> It does. It does all of that. And you

3203
02:13:02,159 --> 02:13:03,760
may not even get an opinion that's

3204
02:13:03,760 --> 02:13:04,800
valid, by the way.

3205
02:13:04,800 --> 02:13:06,639
>> Well, then then you know, but then but

3206
02:13:06,639 --> 02:13:08,400
once that happens though, respectfully,

3207
02:13:08,400 --> 02:13:09,920
Claus, then we end up in court again,

3208
02:13:09,920 --> 02:13:11,679
then you can go all the way up the uh

3209
02:13:11,679 --> 02:13:13,040
the chain of command on the court

3210
02:13:13,040 --> 02:13:14,480
system, and if you don't like that

3211
02:13:14,480 --> 02:13:16,320
answer, I can't offer you anything else.

3212
02:13:16,320 --> 02:13:18,800
Don't we have an easy, simple, common

3213
02:13:18,800 --> 02:13:21,280
sense solution in front of us right now?

3214
02:13:21,280 --> 02:13:23,840
>> I I offered you my opinion

3215
02:13:23,840 --> 02:13:25,360
>> that is you've written a letter through

3216
02:13:25,360 --> 02:13:26,320
your lawyer saying

3217
02:13:26,320 --> 02:13:28,079
>> but I've already told you that that can

3218
02:13:28,079 --> 02:13:30,560
be withdrawn by my say so.

3219
02:13:30,560 --> 02:13:33,280
>> Yeah, I've offered my opinion.

3220
02:13:33,280 --> 02:13:34,880
>> Board members, what do you want to do?

3221
02:13:34,880 --> 02:13:38,079
>> So, how does how does an individual that

3222
02:13:38,079 --> 02:13:40,560
has a dispute

3223
02:13:40,560 --> 02:13:43,679
not have to go to an attorney to get an

3224
02:13:43,679 --> 02:13:46,000
opinion? That's usually what the status

3225
02:13:46,000 --> 02:13:49,082
quo is, isn't it, Paul?

3226
02:13:49,082 --> 02:13:49,199
[snorts]

3227
02:13:49,199 --> 02:13:50,800
>> I'm not sure I even understand your

3228
02:13:50,800 --> 02:13:52,239
question, John.

3229
02:13:52,239 --> 02:13:55,040
>> If somebody has a dispute, they go and

3230
02:13:55,040 --> 02:13:57,440
get a legal opinion so that they can

3231
02:13:57,440 --> 02:13:59,280
prove their case. Isn't that normally

3232
02:13:59,280 --> 02:14:00,320
what happens?

3233
02:14:00,320 --> 02:14:02,639
>> Right. And he's done that.

3234
02:14:02,639 --> 02:14:05,280
>> So, why didn't we have to get one on our

3235
02:14:05,280 --> 02:14:07,199
>> Why didn't Why didn't we already get it?

3236
02:14:07,199 --> 02:14:10,159
>> I was just waiting to have this meeting.

3237
02:14:10,159 --> 02:14:12,320
>> Well, Paul, if I may.

3238
02:14:12,320 --> 02:14:18,960
>> Yes, sir. Consider that what was done without court order, which it

3239
02:14:18,960 --> 02:14:21,040
would have required,

3240
02:14:21,040 --> 02:14:23,840
>> the ripping out of my property, and it

3241
02:14:23,840 --> 02:14:26,000
was done without due process.

3242
02:14:26,000 --> 02:14:27,760
>> So, there's a whole case there.

3243
02:14:27,760 --> 02:14:28,320
>> Yeah.

3244
02:14:28,320 --> 02:14:30,079
>> But I don't want to make that case. I

3245
02:14:30,079 --> 02:14:31,520
can do it, but I I don't want to.

3246
02:14:31,520 --> 02:14:32,800
>> No, I I understand.

3247
02:14:32,800 --> 02:14:34,560
>> So, why don't we

3248
02:14:34,560 --> 02:14:36,000
>> I'm making you an offer.

3249
02:14:36,000 --> 02:14:36,400
>> Yeah.

3250
02:14:36,400 --> 02:14:39,840
>> The offer is to set aside the

3251
02:14:39,840 --> 02:14:41,760
reinstallation cost. I'll take that on

3252
02:14:41,760 --> 02:14:43,040
myself.

3253
02:14:43,040 --> 02:14:44,400
I'm not going to make a claim of

3254
02:14:44,400 --> 02:14:45,119
damages.

3255
02:14:45,119 --> 02:14:45,599
>> Yeah.

3256
02:14:45,599 --> 02:14:47,280
>> I'm not going to make a further claim

3257
02:14:47,280 --> 02:14:49,199
against the town for misbehavior and

3258
02:14:49,199 --> 02:14:50,320
whatever.

3259
02:14:50,320 --> 02:14:52,320
>> Not going to do all that.

3260
02:14:52,320 --> 02:14:53,520
>> I live in this town.

3261
02:14:53,520 --> 02:14:53,840
>> Yeah.

3262
02:14:53,840 --> 02:14:56,800
>> I care about this town.

3263
02:14:56,800 --> 02:15:00,000
>> So, I'm offering you a solution. I don't

3264
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:02,079
understand why we would need to now that

3265
02:15:02,079 --> 02:15:04,960
you, Mrs. Murray, would like to have an

3266
02:15:04,960 --> 02:15:07,520
opinion going forward and so forth.

3267
02:15:07,520 --> 02:15:10,159
That's fine. That's perfectly sensible.

3268
02:15:10,159 --> 02:15:12,000
and then you can take stock of whatever

3269
02:15:12,000 --> 02:15:14,719
the situation is all over town and make

3270
02:15:14,719 --> 02:15:18,000
of it what you want.

3271
02:15:18,000 --> 02:15:20,159
But is this too much to ask after what

3272
02:15:20,159 --> 02:15:22,000
I've been through?

3273
02:15:22,000 --> 02:15:22,880
>> I don't think so.

3274
02:15:22,880 --> 02:15:23,280
>> Okay.

3275
02:15:23,280 --> 02:15:23,599
>> Thank you.

3276
02:15:23,599 --> 02:15:25,280
for that. Claude board

3277
02:15:25,280 --> 02:15:28,639
members, what do you want to do?

3278
02:15:28,639 --> 02:15:32,560
>> I think we need more information.

3279
02:15:32,560 --> 02:15:33,679
>> I don't advice to council.

3280
02:15:33,679 --> 02:15:35,280
>> Does Nathan have this letter? Does

3281
02:15:35,280 --> 02:15:36,719
anybody know?

3282
02:15:36,719 --> 02:15:39,280
>> I believe he does.

3283
02:15:39,280 --> 02:15:40,960
I'll check with uh we can check with

3284
02:15:40,960 --> 02:15:42,880
Barry.

3285
02:15:42,880 --> 02:15:44,880
>> Barry and I would like a copy.

3286
02:15:44,880 --> 02:15:46,639
>> It would have come in and gone to Barry

3287
02:15:46,639 --> 02:15:48,320
because it was dated 13 August. Oh,

3288
02:15:48,320 --> 02:15:48,800
>> okay.

3289
02:15:48,800 --> 02:15:50,560
Okay.

3290
02:15:50,560 --> 02:15:53,040
>> Like a copy of the materials list he has

3291
02:15:53,040 --> 02:15:53,920
there too? Yep.

3292
02:15:53,920 --> 02:15:54,960
>> That we didn't get?

3293
02:15:54,960 --> 02:15:55,440
>> Yep.

3294
02:15:55,440 --> 02:15:57,679
>> Oh, that this list. Yes, we need that,

3295
02:15:57,679 --> 02:15:58,000
too.

3296
02:15:58,000 --> 02:16:00,560
>> You want a copy of the uh of the fine

3297
02:16:00,560 --> 02:16:03,040
that uh was there? Sure. No problem.

3298
02:16:03,040 --> 02:16:05,199
>> So, board members, uh uh do you want to

3299
02:16:05,199 --> 02:16:07,840
seek advice of counsel? Can we ask Jim

3300
02:16:07,840 --> 02:16:09,440
what he thinks?

3301
02:16:09,440 --> 02:16:11,040
>> Sure.

3302
02:16:11,040 --> 02:16:14,560
>> I think it's quite reasonable to get the

3303
02:16:14,560 --> 02:16:19,119
um town attorney's opinion.

3304
02:16:19,119 --> 02:16:21,760
>> Okay. Do I need a motion for this or we

3305
02:16:21,760 --> 02:16:23,199
just going to do it?

3306
02:16:23,199 --> 02:16:25,360
>> I think that's where I I don't think we

3307
02:16:25,360 --> 02:16:26,639
need a motion. I think we have a

3308
02:16:26,639 --> 02:16:28,800
consensus of the board. Is there anybody

3309
02:16:28,800 --> 02:16:30,719
who does not want to go

3310
02:16:30,719 --> 02:16:33,200
>> get town council's opinion on this?

3311
02:16:33,200 --> 02:16:34,240
>> Any dissension?

3312
02:16:34,240 --> 02:16:37,280
>> Fine. We'll go for advice of council.

3313
02:16:37,280 --> 02:16:40,080
Thank you. Okay,

3314
02:16:40,080 --> 02:16:41,920
>> Claude, thank you for your forbearance.

3315
02:16:41,920 --> 02:16:44,559
U we are going to take the initiative to

3316
02:16:44,559 --> 02:16:48,080
get the post back to you. Um

3317
02:16:48,080 --> 02:16:49,840
and you're going to get us a uh some

3318
02:16:49,840 --> 02:16:51,679
information about the loom and the

3319
02:16:51,679 --> 02:16:54,080
seating. So you received a bill from

3320
02:16:54,080 --> 02:16:56,800
somebody, right? So we'll get that we'll

3321
02:16:56,800 --> 02:17:00,800
get that into the record. Okay.

3322
02:17:00,800 --> 02:17:03,599
to to be clear. Uh I will deliver to you

3323
02:17:03,599 --> 02:17:04,960
receipts.

3324
02:17:04,960 --> 02:17:06,719
>> I'm sorry. Yes, you'll deliver receipts.

3325
02:17:06,719 --> 02:17:07,200
Yes.

3326
02:17:07,200 --> 02:17:09,200
>> And is that all you expect from me?

3327
02:17:09,200 --> 02:17:11,840
>> I think so. I think Yeah. Receipts.

3328
02:17:11,840 --> 02:17:13,040
>> All right. I shall do that.

3329
02:17:13,040 --> 02:17:15,359
>> And and you're and I'm not trying to put

3330
02:17:15,359 --> 02:17:16,800
words in your mouth, but I think I heard

3331
02:17:16,800 --> 02:17:19,920
you say the reinstallation of the loom

3332
02:17:19,920 --> 02:17:22,000
and all of that. We're not going to be

3333
02:17:22,000 --> 02:17:22,880
talking about that. Or are we?

3334
02:17:22,880 --> 02:17:23,679
>> We're not talking about that.

3335
02:17:23,679 --> 02:17:24,880
>> We're not going to talk about that. No.

3336
02:17:24,880 --> 02:17:26,559
>> So, you just want you just we just want

3337
02:17:26,559 --> 02:17:28,000
from you. Unless you guys tell me I'm

3338
02:17:28,000 --> 02:17:29,840
wrong. You just we just want from you

3339
02:17:29,840 --> 02:17:32,399
what you bought or what you were sold by

3340
02:17:32,399 --> 02:17:34,160
somebody and you'll have a receipt.

3341
02:17:34,160 --> 02:17:34,559
>> Correct.

3342
02:17:34,559 --> 02:17:35,040
>> Okay.

3343
02:17:35,040 --> 02:17:37,280
>> And and I think he wants his fine

3344
02:17:37,280 --> 02:17:40,549
expuned.

3345
02:17:40,559 --> 02:17:42,240
» Uh that's when we started talking about

3346
02:17:42,240 --> 02:17:44,240
legalities.

3347
02:17:44,240 --> 02:17:45,760
So we'll get the advice of council on

3348
02:17:45,760 --> 02:17:47,200
that.

3349
02:17:47,200 --> 02:17:48,160
>> On what?

3350
02:17:48,160 --> 02:17:50,399
>> The fine.

3351
02:17:50,399 --> 02:17:51,760
>> No, that's

3352
02:17:51,760 --> 02:17:53,200
>> You said it was a non-starter, right?

3353
02:17:53,200 --> 02:17:53,840
>> It's a non-starter.

3354
02:17:53,840 --> 02:17:54,800
>> So you said it was a non-starter.

3355
02:17:54,800 --> 02:17:56,240
>> It's a non-starter. It's an invention

3356
02:17:56,240 --> 02:17:58,240
and you know why it was done. It's It's

3357
02:17:58,240 --> 02:18:00,639
a pure invention. It was vindictive. It

3358
02:18:00,639 --> 02:18:02,080
was vengeance.

3359
02:18:02,080 --> 02:18:03,519
>> And

3360
02:18:03,519 --> 02:18:04,880
>> I'm not going to have it on.

3361
02:18:04,880 --> 02:18:07,040
>> I got it. I appreciate that.

3362
02:18:07,040 --> 02:18:07,599
>> Thank you.

3363
02:18:07,599 --> 02:18:08,960
sir.

3364
02:18:08,960 --> 02:18:11,519
>> So So do we have I have a I have a

3365
02:18:11,519 --> 02:18:13,599
question about the fine. Do do we have a

3366
02:18:13,599 --> 02:18:18,399
policy of how a fine is imposed or how

3367
02:18:18,399 --> 02:18:20,800
what the criteria and how we go about

3368
02:18:20,800 --> 02:18:22,000
finding somebody?

3369
02:18:22,000 --> 02:18:24,559
>> I believe we do.

3370
02:18:24,559 --> 02:18:28,709
>> Okay.

3371
02:18:28,719 --> 02:18:31,519
Okay. Next item on the agenda is

3372
02:18:31,519 --> 02:18:34,719
the Sool Road speed limit revision

3373
02:18:34,719 --> 02:18:36,319
request.

3374
02:18:36,319 --> 02:18:39,040
Uh so the uh residents of Sul Road uh

3375
02:18:39,040 --> 02:18:42,080
requested a permanent reduction in the

3376
02:18:42,080 --> 02:18:43,840
speed limit.

3377
02:18:43,840 --> 02:18:46,319
Uh the u uh the police department has

3378
02:18:46,319 --> 02:18:49,920
been asked to um uh provide us with uh

3379
02:18:49,920 --> 02:18:53,120
data about that. Uh captain, if you

3380
02:18:53,120 --> 02:18:54,960
wouldn't mind coming up and giving us a

3381
02:18:54,960 --> 02:18:59,200
short precise on this. The headline is

3382
02:18:59,200 --> 02:19:01,439
that u there is a recommendation from

3383
02:19:01,439 --> 02:19:03,359
the police department, but it's going to

3384
02:19:03,359 --> 02:19:05,040
require one public hearing because it's

3385
02:19:05,040 --> 02:19:08,319
a change in ordinance. Okay, captain.

3386
02:19:08,319 --> 02:19:11,760
>> Thank you. So, um we did the soul road

3387
02:19:11,760 --> 02:19:15,599
traffic study which uh took in effect of

3388
02:19:15,599 --> 02:19:18,399
the radar traffic that we do have and

3389
02:19:18,399 --> 02:19:21,519
the characteristics of the roadway. Um,

3390
02:19:21,519 --> 02:19:24,719
from that we did it from May 17th to the

3391
02:19:24,719 --> 02:19:28,880
September 22nd and we had 134,000

3392
02:19:28,880 --> 02:19:31,840
vehicles. 2534

3393
02:19:31,840 --> 02:19:33,200
>> Captain A little bit louder.

3394
02:19:33,200 --> 02:19:36,479
>> Oh, sorry about that.

3395
02:19:36,479 --> 02:19:40,000
>> 134 253 was the amount of vehicles that

3396
02:19:40,000 --> 02:19:43,920
came by the uh radar to show the data

3397
02:19:43,920 --> 02:19:46,000
and the average speed that was through

3398
02:19:46,000 --> 02:19:50,240
there was 24.5 miles an hour. uh the 50

3399
02:19:50,240 --> 02:19:53,920
percentile was 25.4 4 while the 85

3400
02:19:53,920 --> 02:19:57,439
percentile was 30.5 miles an hour. You

3401
02:19:57,439 --> 02:20:00,240
see all that data in there and basically

3402
02:20:00,240 --> 02:20:03,280
from that finding it shows that we

3403
02:20:03,280 --> 02:20:06,640
really don't have a speed problem on um

3404
02:20:06,640 --> 02:20:09,280
SU road but we took the characteristics

3405
02:20:09,280 --> 02:20:11,200
from the roadway too which has a lot of

3406
02:20:11,200 --> 02:20:13,439
curves as points. It's a very

3407
02:20:13,439 --> 02:20:15,920
residential area, a lot of hills and

3408
02:20:15,920 --> 02:20:18,240
slopes. And through the conclusion of

3409
02:20:18,240 --> 02:20:21,760
that, the study at those speeds when

3410
02:20:21,760 --> 02:20:23,439
that data is considered together with

3411
02:20:23,439 --> 02:20:25,200
the heavy residential nature of the

3412
02:20:25,200 --> 02:20:28,240
roadway, the residential ass access

3413
02:20:28,240 --> 02:20:31,680
points, the curves,

3414
02:20:31,680 --> 02:20:34,080
um the intermittent speed uh

3415
02:20:34,080 --> 02:20:37,840
straightaways where the vehicles then um

3416
02:20:37,840 --> 02:20:39,359
increase speeds before they hit the

3417
02:20:39,359 --> 02:20:41,920
curves. Uh the department finds that the

3418
02:20:41,920 --> 02:20:44,560
25 mph speed is appropriate posted speed

3419
02:20:44,560 --> 02:20:46,240
for the school road and recommends

3420
02:20:46,240 --> 02:20:49,280
reducing the ex existing speed limit

3421
02:20:49,280 --> 02:20:51,439
from 30 to 25.

3422
02:20:51,439 --> 02:20:52,960
>> So the headline here is is a

3423
02:20:52,960 --> 02:20:54,800
recommendation to reduce the speed from

3424
02:20:54,800 --> 02:20:58,080
30 to 25 albeit that the current

3425
02:20:58,080 --> 02:21:00,960
measured speed is 24.5

3426
02:21:00,960 --> 02:21:02,000
on average.

3427
02:21:02,000 --> 02:21:02,399
>> Yeah.

3428
02:21:02,399 --> 02:21:04,960
>> But it's a volume issue. 134,000

3429
02:21:04,960 --> 02:21:06,080
vehicles

3430
02:21:06,080 --> 02:21:07,120
>> going up and down the road

3431
02:21:07,120 --> 02:21:08,319
>> months. Yes.

3432
02:21:08,319 --> 02:21:10,800
>> Okay. This is a good amount. So folks,

3433
02:21:10,800 --> 02:21:13,040
this board won't vote on this tonight.

3434
02:21:13,040 --> 02:21:14,640
>> We will uh we will have one public

3435
02:21:14,640 --> 02:21:15,760
hearing because it's an ordinance

3436
02:21:15,760 --> 02:21:18,000
change. Following that, uh we will

3437
02:21:18,000 --> 02:21:21,359
either vote to adopt or not. Okay. So,

3438
02:21:21,359 --> 02:21:23,600
I've been thinking about this quite a

3439
02:21:23,600 --> 02:21:25,200
bit

3440
02:21:25,200 --> 02:21:29,040
um for the last few weeks and I actually

3441
02:21:29,040 --> 02:21:31,760
drove the road quite a bit and I walked

3442
02:21:31,760 --> 02:21:36,000
the road a couple of times and

3443
02:21:36,000 --> 02:21:40,720
I'm wondering if we put 25 mph signs at

3444
02:21:40,720 --> 02:21:44,640
pinch points at points where the road is

3445
02:21:44,640 --> 02:21:47,760
going into a sharp bend

3446
02:21:47,760 --> 02:21:49,840
where it's hilly and you have poor

3447
02:21:49,840 --> 02:21:52,560
visibility or things like that. Would

3448
02:21:52,560 --> 02:21:54,080
that

3449
02:21:54,080 --> 02:21:57,920
help more than just having a sign at one

3450
02:21:57,920 --> 02:22:05,040
end and the other end that says go 25, cuz people are going to go 34

3451
02:22:05,040 --> 02:22:07,200
miles an hour and a 25 anyways.

3452
02:22:07,200 --> 02:22:09,760
Everybody goes 8 n over and then when

3453
02:22:09,760 --> 02:22:11,359
they the only reason the average speed

3454
02:22:11,359 --> 02:22:13,520
of this becomes slower is because

3455
02:22:13,520 --> 02:22:15,120
there's places like you said where it's

3456
02:22:15,120 --> 02:22:16,800
zigzaggy and it's hilly and you have to

3457
02:22:16,800 --> 02:22:20,720
go slower. So, I I just don't know if if

3458
02:22:20,720 --> 02:22:23,600
that would help as much or more or if it

3459
02:22:23,600 --> 02:22:27,920
needs to be marked in multiple locations

3460
02:22:27,920 --> 02:22:29,680
um going down. I don't know because I

3461
02:22:29,680 --> 02:22:32,479
saw the same thing that Paul saw and and

3462
02:22:32,479 --> 02:22:37,359
the 80 81 percentile of people are are

3463
02:22:37,359 --> 02:22:39,200
already going the speed limit.

3464
02:22:39,200 --> 02:22:40,720
>> So, we already went through this with

3465
02:22:40,720 --> 02:22:42,800
South Main Street because South Main

3466
02:22:42,800 --> 02:22:46,319
Street was 354 3540. It gets a little

3467
02:22:46,319 --> 02:22:47,120
herky jerky.

3468
02:22:47,120 --> 02:22:48,319
>> Back to 35.

3469
02:22:48,319 --> 02:22:49,280
>> Yep.

3470
02:22:49,280 --> 02:22:51,200
>> We worked with the state. We put it all

3471
02:22:51,200 --> 02:22:51,920
35.

3472
02:22:51,920 --> 02:22:52,240
>> Correct.

3473
02:22:52,240 --> 02:22:53,760
>> It's easy to go with one speed.

3474
02:22:53,760 --> 02:22:54,399
>> Yep.

3475
02:22:54,399 --> 02:22:55,359
>> Then go back and forth.

3476
02:22:55,359 --> 02:22:56,880
>> You know, are there I can't remember if

3477
02:22:56,880 --> 02:22:59,120
I saw signs that said slow corner. Are

3478
02:22:59,120 --> 02:23:01,760
there signs like that on the road?

3479
02:23:01,760 --> 02:23:02,720
>> On Soul Road?

3480
02:23:02,720 --> 02:23:03,120
>> Yeah.

3481
02:23:03,120 --> 02:23:05,280
>> I don't believe so.

3482
02:23:05,280 --> 02:23:07,200
>> Because that would help too to let

3483
02:23:07,200 --> 02:23:08,560
people know when there's a corner

3484
02:23:08,560 --> 02:23:11,359
coming, slow yourself down, go around

3485
02:23:11,359 --> 02:23:13,760
the corner safely. I mean, I don't know.

3486
02:23:13,760 --> 02:23:18,160
I don't I mean moving we just got a um a

3487
02:23:18,160 --> 02:23:22,479
letter from DOT about Whitneck Road

3488
02:23:22,479 --> 02:23:25,520
>> and um they're they're having the same

3489
02:23:25,520 --> 02:23:28,560
thing. They want to work on a turnoff

3490
02:23:28,560 --> 02:23:30,319
and on lane on Whitneck Road and they're

3491
02:23:30,319 --> 02:23:32,000
finding out the DOT is saying that

3492
02:23:32,000 --> 02:23:33,920
there's there's not as much of an issue

3493
02:23:33,920 --> 02:23:35,760
there and if you change the speed limit

3494
02:23:35,760 --> 02:23:38,560
there that the speed is actually not

3495
02:23:38,560 --> 02:23:40,960
going to change. But that strip is

3496
02:23:40,960 --> 02:23:43,040
similar than coming down because you

3497
02:23:43,040 --> 02:23:47,600
come off and it's 55 then it's 40

3498
02:23:47,600 --> 02:23:50,399
>> and then it comes to 30 and then that

3499
02:23:50,399 --> 02:23:53,840
wit neck is in between that 30 and 40

3500
02:23:53,840 --> 02:23:55,920
and what happens is they're they know

3501
02:23:55,920 --> 02:23:57,680
they're coming up to the 40 and a lot of

3502
02:23:57,680 --> 02:24:00,399
people start coming up the hill fast. So

3503
02:24:00,399 --> 02:24:02,560
that does have that multiple seed

3504
02:24:02,560 --> 02:24:04,479
problem similar to what happened here

3505
02:24:04,479 --> 02:24:05,760
opposed to one

3506
02:24:05,760 --> 02:24:06,960
>> but they found out that the majority of

3507
02:24:06,960 --> 02:24:08,640
people going by Whiteneck Road are going

3508
02:24:08,640 --> 02:24:10,800
the speed limit. That's what the that's

3509
02:24:10,800 --> 02:24:12,479
what their test said.

3510
02:24:12,479 --> 02:24:14,880
>> So Mr. Thirstston

3511
02:24:14,880 --> 02:24:18,319
>> so I'm more interested in the volume in

3512
02:24:18,319 --> 02:24:21,520
the segments of the road. Is there any

3513
02:24:21,520 --> 02:24:24,800
way to segment the road so that you can

3514
02:24:24,800 --> 02:24:27,920
tell where all the vehicle traffic

3515
02:24:27,920 --> 02:24:29,680
originates from?

3516
02:24:29,680 --> 02:24:29,840
>> [snorts]

3517
02:24:29,840 --> 02:24:32,399
>> Therefore, you can say, okay, the second

3518
02:24:32,399 --> 02:24:35,439
half of the road doesn't uh have the

3519
02:24:35,439 --> 02:24:39,359
traffic volume, but a certain section of

3520
02:24:39,359 --> 02:24:42,160
the road has more traffic volume.

3521
02:24:42,160 --> 02:24:44,479
>> We can move the

3522
02:24:44,479 --> 02:24:48,080
>> radar sign that actually is trans I mean

3523
02:24:48,080 --> 02:24:51,600
that has some wheels and we can

3524
02:24:51,600 --> 02:24:52,640
>> to a different area.

3525
02:24:52,640 --> 02:24:55,840
>> So, say you moved it past Good Hugh and

3526
02:24:55,840 --> 02:24:56,560
Hawkins.

3527
02:24:56,560 --> 02:25:00,319
>> Yep. and had a reading there

3528
02:25:00,319 --> 02:25:02,399
so that you could see all the traffic

3529
02:25:02,399 --> 02:25:05,200
that's beyond Good Hugh and Hawkins that

3530
02:25:05,200 --> 02:25:08,560
comes through and then you could have

3531
02:25:08,560 --> 02:25:13,920
another one uh by Point Sul Road that

3532
02:25:13,920 --> 02:25:17,439
shows you all the traffic that comes

3533
02:25:17,439 --> 02:25:20,479
from the middle part of the road. So you

3534
02:25:20,479 --> 02:25:22,560
basically could say, okay, this traffic

3535
02:25:22,560 --> 02:25:25,280
comes to here and then this traffic

3536
02:25:25,280 --> 02:25:27,120
originates from this point on.

3537
02:25:27,120 --> 02:25:28,560
>> Yeah, we can do anything. It just takes

3538
02:25:28,560 --> 02:25:30,240
a little time because we got to move

3539
02:25:30,240 --> 02:25:31,600
around and get the study and get the

3540
02:25:31,600 --> 02:25:32,720
data.

3541
02:25:32,720 --> 02:25:34,160
>> You're basically dividing the road in

3542
02:25:34,160 --> 02:25:34,640
half.

3543
02:25:34,640 --> 02:25:37,200
>> So are you trying you would change the

3544
02:25:37,200 --> 02:25:39,200
speed because the volume you just are

3545
02:25:39,200 --> 02:25:39,760
interested?

3546
02:25:39,760 --> 02:25:44,319
>> I'm just interested in the volume from the from the back half to the front

3547
02:25:44,319 --> 02:25:44,800
half.

3548
02:25:44,800 --> 02:25:46,800
>> Okay, I got you. And if you went past

3549
02:25:46,800 --> 02:25:49,280
the good Hugh and Hawkins because again

3550
02:25:49,280 --> 02:25:50,640
you get a lot of voters.

3551
02:25:50,640 --> 02:25:51,760
>> Well, that's what I was trying to figure

3552
02:25:51,760 --> 02:25:52,080
out.

3553
02:25:52,080 --> 02:25:54,160
>> So basically once you get past that

3554
02:25:54,160 --> 02:25:56,399
point you could say okay this is the

3555
02:25:56,399 --> 02:25:58,960
this is residential traffic and then you

3556
02:25:58,960 --> 02:26:02,160
could then once you come to Point Sool

3557
02:26:02,160 --> 02:26:06,000
Road you could say okay this is a lot of

3558
02:26:06,000 --> 02:26:07,520
other traffic.

3559
02:26:07,520 --> 02:26:08,399
>> It just was train.

3560
02:26:08,399 --> 02:26:13,600
>> Yeah. So I um I vaguely remember

3561
02:26:13,600 --> 02:26:16,399
the conversation uh that we had with New

3562
02:26:16,399 --> 02:26:19,600
Hampshire DOT about speed coming in from

3563
02:26:19,600 --> 02:26:21,520
the high school and then down, you know,

3564
02:26:21,520 --> 02:26:25,510
down towards um

3565
02:26:25,520 --> 02:26:27,760
downtown and the up and down of the

3566
02:26:27,760 --> 02:26:30,800
speed gets gets a little goofy from a

3567
02:26:30,800 --> 02:26:32,319
enforcement point of view and it's a

3568
02:26:32,319 --> 02:26:34,880
confusion for the driver point of view

3569
02:26:34,880 --> 02:26:37,280
and I I remember I remember that when we

3570
02:26:37,280 --> 02:26:39,280
started the road

3571
02:26:39,280 --> 02:26:40,160
project,

3572
02:26:40,160 --> 02:26:43,040
>> but I think it was in response to a

3573
02:26:43,040 --> 02:26:44,479
concern at the golf course.

3574
02:26:44,479 --> 02:26:45,040
>> It was

3575
02:26:45,040 --> 02:26:47,120
>> to get the speed down and that's where

3576
02:26:47,120 --> 02:26:47,760
it came from.

3577
02:26:47,760 --> 02:26:52,640
>> It was Sebastian's concern. No, it was concern of uh folks trying to

3578
02:26:52,640 --> 02:26:55,040
come across the you know come across the

3579
02:26:55,040 --> 02:26:59,760
uh uh that um I'm kind of with

3580
02:26:59,760 --> 02:27:02,319
somebody here that says I I I I think

3581
02:27:02,319 --> 02:27:05,120
the speed at SU if you were up and down

3582
02:27:05,120 --> 02:27:06,640
you know in this segment you can do 30

3583
02:27:06,640 --> 02:27:09,680
and this 25 I think that just uh creates

3584
02:27:09,680 --> 02:27:11,600
my personal opinion but people can talk

3585
02:27:11,600 --> 02:27:13,520
about it at the public hearing uh

3586
02:27:13,520 --> 02:27:16,399
confusion as it relates to the volume

3587
02:27:16,399 --> 02:27:18,160
question.

3588
02:27:18,160 --> 02:27:22,150
um

3589
02:27:22,160 --> 02:27:26,160
the planning board or the zoning board

3590
02:27:26,160 --> 02:27:28,800
um had a I don't know if they had data

3591
02:27:28,800 --> 02:27:32,720
on this but uh the boatyard moves a lot

3592
02:27:32,720 --> 02:27:37,359
of boats down to uh the u repair shop

3593
02:27:37,359 --> 02:27:41,680
which is located on Sool Road and they

3594
02:27:41,680 --> 02:27:43,200
want to come back and take another bite

3595
02:27:43,200 --> 02:27:46,880
on the apple and try to say maybe we

3596
02:27:46,880 --> 02:27:48,479
should not repair the boats down there.

3597
02:27:48,479 --> 02:27:51,040
We should repair the boats up on filter

3598
02:27:51,040 --> 02:27:53,359
bed. And I think what's going to happen,

3599
02:27:53,359 --> 02:27:54,880
John, is you're going to see something

3600
02:27:54,880 --> 02:27:56,640
coming in from them about traffic

3601
02:27:56,640 --> 02:27:59,200
volumes, how many trips per day. I don't

3602
02:27:59,200 --> 02:28:00,479
think that's going to answer your total

3603
02:28:00,479 --> 02:28:02,399
question, but that segment of the road

3604
02:28:02,399 --> 02:28:04,720
coming in from Main Street down to the

3605
02:28:04,720 --> 02:28:06,960
boatyard probably is going to get some

3606
02:28:06,960 --> 02:28:09,200
uh some data on it.

3607
02:28:09,200 --> 02:28:10,560
>> Again, I I kind of look at this and I

3608
02:28:10,560 --> 02:28:14,160
say it's you it's a you're 24.5 on

3609
02:28:14,160 --> 02:28:16,000
average. Some people are going a little

3610
02:28:16,000 --> 02:28:17,520
faster. Some people are going a lot of

3611
02:28:17,520 --> 02:28:20,080
slower. I see no harm, no foul. Personal

3612
02:28:20,080 --> 02:28:22,399
opinion on just taking this thing to 25

3613
02:28:22,399 --> 02:28:23,520
and calling it a day.

3614
02:28:23,520 --> 02:28:23,920
>> Okay.

3615
02:28:23,920 --> 02:28:25,520
>> That's my personal opinion. All right,

3616
02:28:25,520 --> 02:28:26,240
John.

3617
02:28:26,240 --> 02:28:29,120
>> So, it doesn't doesn't hurt if you have

3618
02:28:29,120 --> 02:28:32,000
matching data points of the volume.

3619
02:28:32,000 --> 02:28:34,000
>> So, if he says it doesn't

3620
02:28:34,000 --> 02:28:36,000
>> it's not a it's not a big

3621
02:28:36,000 --> 02:28:37,520
>> the the only thing is we're coming into

3622
02:28:37,520 --> 02:28:38,880
the winter months. So,

3623
02:28:38,880 --> 02:28:40,560
>> little makes it a little challenging.

3624
02:28:40,560 --> 02:28:42,720
>> Little bit louder. Uh we're coming into

3625
02:28:42,720 --> 02:28:44,880
the winter months, so it just makes it a

3626
02:28:44,880 --> 02:28:46,399
little challenging for us.

3627
02:28:46,399 --> 02:28:48,080
>> I I would I would agree with that. And

3628
02:28:48,080 --> 02:28:50,000
there probably less traffic going to

3629
02:28:50,000 --> 02:28:51,760
>> Well, not even that. It's just

3630
02:28:51,760 --> 02:28:53,520
eventually snow's coming.

3631
02:28:53,520 --> 02:28:54,880
>> We pull in the radars,

3632
02:28:54,880 --> 02:28:55,680
>> right? So

3633
02:28:55,680 --> 02:28:57,439
>> you pull the radars out of the road.

3634
02:28:57,439 --> 02:29:00,560
>> So if so, if John wants to know how many

3635
02:29:00,560 --> 02:29:03,359
um vehicles are coming out of um Good

3636
02:29:03,359 --> 02:29:04,640
Hugh Hawkins,

3637
02:29:04,640 --> 02:29:06,399
>> Well, that's not what I'm And an easy

3638
02:29:06,399 --> 02:29:10,640
way to do it is to put the sign

3639
02:29:10,640 --> 02:29:11,920
150 ft

3640
02:29:11,920 --> 02:29:14,560
>> on one side of their exit

3641
02:29:14,560 --> 02:29:17,120
>> and do it for

3642
02:29:17,120 --> 02:29:20,560
all of July and then put it 150 ft on

3643
02:29:20,560 --> 02:29:22,000
the other side of their exit out of

3644
02:29:22,000 --> 02:29:25,280
their driveway and do it for the month

3645
02:29:25,280 --> 02:29:29,120
of August. And then you're going to see

3646
02:29:29,120 --> 02:29:30,479
which which

3647
02:29:30,479 --> 02:29:31,359
>> a lot of this data

3648
02:29:31,359 --> 02:29:32,640
>> but the difference is you can just

3649
02:29:32,640 --> 02:29:35,359
subtract then and you're going to have a number.

3650
02:29:35,359 --> 02:29:37,680
>> A lot of this data is south of it closer

3651
02:29:37,680 --> 02:29:39,359
towards South Main Street. Yeah.

3652
02:29:39,359 --> 02:29:40,160
>> That's where this

3653
02:29:40,160 --> 02:29:41,680
>> because that's what John's looking for.

3654
02:29:41,680 --> 02:29:42,880
>> You want to get the other side.

3655
02:29:42,880 --> 02:29:43,680
>> That's a pretty busy.

3656
02:29:43,680 --> 02:29:46,160
>> We can move the radar there and we can

3657
02:29:46,160 --> 02:29:47,280
get this done next year.

3658
02:29:47,280 --> 02:29:47,600
>> Okay.

3659
02:29:47,600 --> 02:29:48,720
>> Yeah.

3660
02:29:48,720 --> 02:29:50,560
>> John John's looking to see how many how

3661
02:29:50,560 --> 02:29:52,479
many cars come out of Goodwill and go

3662
02:29:52,479 --> 02:29:52,640
down.

3663
02:29:52,640 --> 02:29:53,840
>> No, he's not. He's just looking at the

3664
02:29:53,840 --> 02:29:55,200
volume in the segments. That's my

3665
02:29:55,200 --> 02:29:57,280
opinion. Now, unless we're going to re

3666
02:29:57,280 --> 02:29:59,120
recap the same things over and over

3667
02:29:59,120 --> 02:30:01,520
again, which I'm not being mean here,

3668
02:30:01,520 --> 02:30:03,359
but I want to

3669
02:30:03,359 --> 02:30:05,600
>> I want to go home and watch something on

3670
02:30:05,600 --> 02:30:06,560
TV.

3671
02:30:06,560 --> 02:30:09,680
>> Um, board members, can I get a motion to

3672
02:30:09,680 --> 02:30:11,439
call a public hearing on this?

3673
02:30:11,439 --> 02:30:12,160
>> So moved.

3674
02:30:12,160 --> 02:30:12,800
>> I'll second.

3675
02:30:12,800 --> 02:30:14,240
>> I have a motion in a second to call a

3676
02:30:14,240 --> 02:30:15,520
public hearing, and we can do that on

3677
02:30:15,520 --> 02:30:17,920
the 21st,

3678
02:30:17,920 --> 02:30:19,680
which gives us adequate time to notice

3679
02:30:19,680 --> 02:30:22,080
it. Right.

3680
02:30:22,080 --> 02:30:24,240
A motion on the public hearing to move

3681
02:30:24,240 --> 02:30:26,319
the speed limit from 30 to 25.

3682
02:30:26,319 --> 02:30:27,600
>> That's correct. Correct. We'll we'll add

3683
02:30:27,600 --> 02:30:29,439
that to the motion, John. Thank you. To

3684
02:30:29,439 --> 02:30:32,479
move the speed limit 30 to 25 subject to

3685
02:30:32,479 --> 02:30:33,520
the public hearing because we're going

3686
02:30:33,520 --> 02:30:36,160
to have to revote it when it's done. Um

3687
02:30:36,160 --> 02:30:37,760
and I think we only need one. If we need

3688
02:30:37,760 --> 02:30:39,200
two, then we'll let you know. But I

3689
02:30:39,200 --> 02:30:40,640
think it's only one for an ordinance.

3690
02:30:40,640 --> 02:30:41,920
>> I believe it's only one for an

3691
02:30:41,920 --> 02:30:42,640
ordinance. But

3692
02:30:42,640 --> 02:30:43,600
>> we'll do that. Check.

3693
02:30:43,600 --> 02:30:46,960
>> We'll do that on the 21st.

3694
02:30:46,960 --> 02:30:49,120
I have a motion and a second to uh have

3695
02:30:49,120 --> 02:30:52,000
a public hearing to discuss the uh the

3696
02:30:52,000 --> 02:30:54,560
movement of uh the speed from uh 30 to

3697
02:30:54,560 --> 02:30:57,439
25 on the on the length of SU road.

3698
02:30:57,439 --> 02:30:59,520
>> All those in favor? I please. I

3699
02:30:59,520 --> 02:31:01,280
>> All right, we're good to go. And does

3700
02:31:01,280 --> 02:31:02,960
anyone have an objection if uh we

3701
02:31:02,960 --> 02:31:04,880
provide a copy of this to the applicant

3702
02:31:04,880 --> 02:31:06,640
copy of the police department report?

3703
02:31:06,640 --> 02:31:08,479
>> No, we should. It's a public document.

3704
02:31:08,479 --> 02:31:09,600
Anybody should have

3705
02:31:09,600 --> 02:31:12,080
>> u to you folks. You can have my copy at

3706
02:31:12,080 --> 02:31:13,280
the end of the meeting. Thank you for

3707
02:31:13,280 --> 02:31:14,560
that.

3708
02:31:14,560 --> 02:31:17,760
>> Okay. And I'll look at that for that.

3709
02:31:17,760 --> 02:31:20,560
>> What? What? What? Oh yeah.

3710
02:31:20,560 --> 02:31:22,240
>> You got to come up to the microphone.

3711
02:31:22,240 --> 02:31:23,200
>> And I hope everybody sign.

3712
02:31:23,200 --> 02:31:24,399
>> We're being a little loose tonight with

3713
02:31:24,399 --> 02:31:25,439
that. Come on up.

3714
02:31:25,439 --> 02:31:27,920
>> If anybody didn't sign in, please sign

3715
02:31:27,920 --> 02:31:30,880
in. It helps our favor.

3716
02:31:30,880 --> 02:31:32,240
>> There was a pencil up here, but I

3717
02:31:32,240 --> 02:31:32,479
brought

3718
02:31:32,479 --> 02:31:33,760
>> How are you, sir? [laughter]

3719
02:31:33,760 --> 02:31:34,479
>> I thought there was

3720
02:31:34,479 --> 02:31:35,920
>> brought his own pencil. Look at that.

3721
02:31:35,920 --> 02:31:38,000
Brought his own pencil.

3722
02:31:38,000 --> 02:31:39,840
>> What can I tell you? What can I tell

3723
02:31:39,840 --> 02:31:40,319
you?

3724
02:31:40,319 --> 02:31:42,080
>> The only thing I wanted to say was there

3725
02:31:42,080 --> 02:31:43,920
was a question about the signage on on

3726
02:31:43,920 --> 02:31:45,439
Soul Road. Yeah.

3727
02:31:45,439 --> 02:31:47,120
>> So,

3728
02:31:47,120 --> 02:31:48,399
>> got to talk to the microphone and tell

3729
02:31:48,399 --> 02:31:50,560
us who you are, sir.

3730
02:31:50,560 --> 02:31:53,359
>> Canon and I live on Soul Road and I uh

3731
02:31:53,359 --> 02:31:55,359
submitted the petition back on the 2nd

3732
02:31:55,359 --> 02:31:58,880
of September, I think. So, the 30 mph

3733
02:31:58,880 --> 02:32:01,120
speed limit sign starts if you're going

3734
02:32:01,120 --> 02:32:02,960
from Main Street starts at Pleasant

3735
02:32:02,960 --> 02:32:03,520
Street.

3736
02:32:03,520 --> 02:32:04,800
>> Okay, that's I remember that one.

3737
02:32:04,800 --> 02:32:06,000
>> Um

3738
02:32:06,000 --> 02:32:09,680
>> then all around the point are advisory

3739
02:32:09,680 --> 02:32:12,880
signs, the yellow signs. So the first

3740
02:32:12,880 --> 02:32:16,160
one is near Frost Camp Lane, 25 m an

3741
02:32:16,160 --> 02:32:17,359
hour

3742
02:32:17,359 --> 02:32:20,560
>> and that's about a half a mile. So

3743
02:32:20,560 --> 02:32:22,640
reducing the speed limit 5 miles an hour

3744
02:32:22,640 --> 02:32:25,200
for that half mile added another 12

3745
02:32:25,200 --> 02:32:26,160
seconds

3746
02:32:26,160 --> 02:32:27,680
>> to somebody's commute.

3747
02:32:27,680 --> 02:32:28,000
>> Yeah.

3748
02:32:28,000 --> 02:32:30,240
>> So it's not a big ask for these people.

3749
02:32:30,240 --> 02:32:34,240
We got 75 signatures uh on the petition

3750
02:32:34,240 --> 02:32:36,479
in three days. We could have gotten 100

3751
02:32:36,479 --> 02:32:37,920
easily. Y

3752
02:32:37,920 --> 02:32:40,800
>> um you know with all respect to the the

3753
02:32:40,800 --> 02:32:44,080
speed that's been reported

3754
02:32:44,080 --> 02:32:46,720
everybody who lives on that road says

3755
02:32:46,720 --> 02:32:48,560
people are going too fast on it and it's

3756
02:32:48,560 --> 02:32:50,960
not safe for pedestrians and

3757
02:32:50,960 --> 02:32:52,800
>> bicyclists and people that want to use

3758
02:32:52,800 --> 02:32:53,680
it

3759
02:32:53,680 --> 02:32:56,960
>> and um

3760
02:32:56,960 --> 02:32:59,760
>> the other side I think it starts back at

3761
02:32:59,760 --> 02:33:02,160
30 miles an hour after the point and

3762
02:33:02,160 --> 02:33:04,720
from there to forest road is 8/10 of a

3763
02:33:04,720 --> 02:33:06,960
mile so that's 20

3764
02:33:06,960 --> 02:33:10,000
additional time. So, I'm uh grateful to

3765
02:33:10,000 --> 02:33:11,920
hear that they're considering to uh

3766
02:33:11,920 --> 02:33:13,120
reduce the speed limit.

3767
02:33:13,120 --> 02:33:14,640
>> Thank you, sir. Appreciate it. Thanks

3768
02:33:14,640 --> 02:33:17,920
for the input. Uh Mr. Wheeler, hang on.

3769
02:33:17,920 --> 02:33:19,520
Mr. Wheeler, do you have anything on

3770
02:33:19,520 --> 02:33:21,520
this topic at this point? At this point

3771
02:33:21,520 --> 02:33:22,240
in time,

3772
02:33:22,240 --> 02:33:23,200
>> not on this topic.

3773
02:33:23,200 --> 02:33:24,880
>> Not at this point in time. Okay. Because

3774
02:33:24,880 --> 02:33:26,640
once this gets dispositioned, if there

3775
02:33:26,640 --> 02:33:27,840
is to be a change, there has to be

3776
02:33:27,840 --> 02:33:30,000
signage and DPW has to get involved.

3777
02:33:30,000 --> 02:33:31,520
>> Linda, did you have a question? Well,

3778
02:33:31,520 --> 02:33:33,600
where I thought you were going on to any

3779
02:33:33,600 --> 02:33:36,000
other business and I and I have some

3780
02:33:36,000 --> 02:33:36,560
other business.

3781
02:33:36,560 --> 02:33:37,760
>> You have some other business. Is there

3782
02:33:37,760 --> 02:33:38,880
any other business?

3783
02:33:38,880 --> 02:33:40,000
>> I do.

3784
02:33:40,000 --> 02:33:41,600
>> Next item. Go ahead, Linda.

3785
02:33:41,600 --> 02:33:45,359
>> Yeah, I I would like to um circle back

3786
02:33:45,359 --> 02:33:47,680
on Kerry Beach and I would like to know

3787
02:33:47,680 --> 02:33:49,920
what steps and by whom is the town

3788
02:33:49,920 --> 02:33:52,080
taking to address the Kerry

3789
02:33:52,080 --> 02:33:54,960
Beachitioner's request for a no

3790
02:33:54,960 --> 02:33:57,760
anchoring zone off Kerry Beach and

3791
02:33:57,760 --> 02:33:59,920
moving the swim lines. It's one of those

3792
02:33:59,920 --> 02:34:02,000
things we got part of it done answered

3793
02:34:02,000 --> 02:34:04,160
about the raking and I don't want to

3794
02:34:04,160 --> 02:34:07,600
lose these two other pieces and you may

3795
02:34:07,600 --> 02:34:08,399
not even know about

3796
02:34:08,399 --> 02:34:10,160
>> this is the first time I hear this. Yes.

3797
02:34:10,160 --> 02:34:11,520
>> Well, surprise. Here's another one.

3798
02:34:11,520 --> 02:34:12,960
>> Here's another one.

3799
02:34:12,960 --> 02:34:15,040
>> This is This happens every few minutes.

3800
02:34:15,040 --> 02:34:17,680
>> Yes. Right. Um, but I just don't want

3801
02:34:17,680 --> 02:34:20,000
the board to lose track of that because

3802
02:34:20,000 --> 02:34:21,920
I really want us to move forward

3803
02:34:21,920 --> 02:34:25,120
particularly on the anchoring and one of

3804
02:34:25,120 --> 02:34:27,439
the of us can come in and explain to you

3805
02:34:27,439 --> 02:34:29,200
what happens off Carry Beach.

3806
02:34:29,200 --> 02:34:30,160
>> Okay.

3807
02:34:30,160 --> 02:34:31,439
>> So, there's a need for an update. We

3808
02:34:31,439 --> 02:34:32,560
won't do it here tonight because we

3809
02:34:32,560 --> 02:34:33,680
don't want to put anybody on the spot,

3810
02:34:33,680 --> 02:34:35,600
but the question is twofold. Number one

3811
02:34:35,600 --> 02:34:38,399
is moving the swim lines out and then

3812
02:34:38,399 --> 02:34:40,720
having some consideration about u

3813
02:34:40,720 --> 02:34:42,000
whatever you want to call it, anchoring

3814
02:34:42,000 --> 02:34:47,760
and rafting up. Um, I continue to be uh

3815
02:34:47,760 --> 02:34:51,520
beused by the answer that says uh you

3816
02:34:51,520 --> 02:34:53,920
can't move them. And when I drive out to

3817
02:34:53,920 --> 02:34:56,160
uh Tufttonboro, the swim lines, you

3818
02:34:56,160 --> 02:34:58,640
know, the way the hell out there and I'm

3819
02:34:58,640 --> 02:35:00,399
sure there's a special reason. We need

3820
02:35:00,399 --> 02:35:03,600
an answer. And uh we'll Jim, we'll talk

3821
02:35:03,600 --> 02:35:05,600
to you about how how that process is

3822
02:35:05,600 --> 02:35:06,240
working.

3823
02:35:06,240 --> 02:35:08,319
>> Okay. Any other business, John?

3824
02:35:08,319 --> 02:35:09,760
>> So, do you know why they're out on

3825
02:35:09,760 --> 02:35:10,560
Tuftboro?

3826
02:35:10,560 --> 02:35:12,080
>> Why? because you have to go way out

3827
02:35:12,080 --> 02:35:14,862
there to get up past your belly button.

3828
02:35:14,862 --> 02:35:15,120
[laughter]

3829
02:35:15,120 --> 02:35:16,240
>> It doesn't drop off.

3830
02:35:16,240 --> 02:35:18,319
>> The literal belly button test. I I don't

3831
02:35:18,319 --> 02:35:19,760
know. I mean, that sounds like a high

3832
02:35:19,760 --> 02:35:22,399
bad visual to me, but uh but I mean, but

3833
02:35:22,399 --> 02:35:23,200
they're out there.

3834
02:35:23,200 --> 02:35:25,040
>> They are, but it's not deep out there.

3835
02:35:25,040 --> 02:35:25,840
It's gradual.

3836
02:35:25,840 --> 02:35:27,120
>> But I think the state doesn't have a

3837
02:35:27,120 --> 02:35:28,640
rule that says uh they have a belly

3838
02:35:28,640 --> 02:35:30,399
button test. It's so many feet off the

3839
02:35:30,399 --> 02:35:33,040
shore, right? So, we got to get that

3840
02:35:33,040 --> 02:35:36,479
sorted. Um and we've had, you know,

3841
02:35:36,479 --> 02:35:38,319
we've had folks at Wilbur Waters tell us

3842
02:35:38,319 --> 02:35:39,760
that. I mean, because they live in the

3843
02:35:39,760 --> 02:35:41,359
neighborhood and they look out there and

3844
02:35:41,359 --> 02:35:42,880
I don't it doesn't matter how many

3845
02:35:42,880 --> 02:35:44,560
boats. There's a lot of boats out there,

3846
02:35:44,560 --> 02:35:46,000
you know, music and all that stuff. All

3847
02:35:46,000 --> 02:35:48,000
right. Any other business, Linda?

3848
02:35:48,000 --> 02:35:49,120
>> No, that was it.

3849
02:35:49,120 --> 02:35:50,880
>> Ryan, Dave.

3850
02:35:50,880 --> 02:35:53,760
>> Okay. Town manager report.

3851
02:35:53,760 --> 02:35:56,319
>> Okay. Um, as the chair indicated

3852
02:35:56,319 --> 02:35:58,880
earlier, uh, today I've been here just a

3853
02:35:58,880 --> 02:36:02,000
little over two weeks. Um, I really want

3854
02:36:02,000 --> 02:36:04,080
to thank the staff, number one, the

3855
02:36:04,080 --> 02:36:06,880
select board, uh, members uh, of other

3856
02:36:06,880 --> 02:36:09,439
boards in the public for being so

3857
02:36:09,439 --> 02:36:13,040
welcoming. Um, essentially what what

3858
02:36:13,040 --> 02:36:15,600
it's reflected to me is that Wolf Bro is

3859
02:36:15,600 --> 02:36:18,880
a a beautiful place on many levels.

3860
02:36:18,880 --> 02:36:20,880
Having said that, uh, some of the things

3861
02:36:20,880 --> 02:36:22,800
that I've been doing include uh,

3862
02:36:22,800 --> 02:36:25,760
reviewing the policies and ordinances.

3863
02:36:25,760 --> 02:36:28,399
I've toured several facilities including

3864
02:36:28,399 --> 02:36:30,560
Upper Beach Pond, the water treatment

3865
02:36:30,560 --> 02:36:32,720
plant. I've toured the River Street

3866
02:36:32,720 --> 02:36:35,200
water main reconstruction project.

3867
02:36:35,200 --> 02:36:36,880
Obviously have gotten involved with the

3868
02:36:36,880 --> 02:36:39,600
community center project. Uh involved

3869
02:36:39,600 --> 02:36:43,760
with the uh downtown dock testing uh

3870
02:36:43,760 --> 02:36:46,640
issue. I've attended CIP and budget

3871
02:36:46,640 --> 02:36:49,359
meetings, visited the Aanaki Lodge

3872
02:36:49,359 --> 02:36:54,000
toward me. Um and um you know that just

3873
02:36:54,000 --> 02:36:56,560
is the the tip of the iceberg. Uh I want

3874
02:36:56,560 --> 02:36:58,399
to get out to all facilities as soon as

3875
02:36:58,399 --> 02:37:02,240
I can. Some of the upcoming things um

3876
02:37:02,240 --> 02:37:05,520
the power supply procurement process uh

3877
02:37:05,520 --> 02:37:08,319
is one step closer to being completed.

3878
02:37:08,319 --> 02:37:12,399
Um as of today uh we did get uh a low

3879
02:37:12,399 --> 02:37:15,680
bidder which is constellation. Uh they

3880
02:37:15,680 --> 02:37:17,760
are have have been our power supplier

3881
02:37:17,760 --> 02:37:20,240
for several years is my understanding.

3882
02:37:20,240 --> 02:37:23,200
We don't have the translation of their

3883
02:37:23,200 --> 02:37:25,120
bid into how that's going to impact the

3884
02:37:25,120 --> 02:37:28,000
rates yet, but we will have our

3885
02:37:28,000 --> 02:37:30,399
consultant come and do a presentation

3886
02:37:30,399 --> 02:37:33,840
for the select board in November. We do

3887
02:37:33,840 --> 02:37:36,319
know that the rate is going to go up.

3888
02:37:36,319 --> 02:37:38,399
Um, and I think we've all been expecting

3889
02:37:38,399 --> 02:37:41,120
that. U, the good news, I guess, is that

3890
02:37:41,120 --> 02:37:43,280
the rate hasn't gone up and I've heard

3891
02:37:43,280 --> 02:37:49,359
10 years. I've heard 17 years. Um so um

3892
02:37:49,359 --> 02:37:51,840
probably not unreasonable to see a rate

3893
02:37:51,840 --> 02:37:53,680
increase in the in the current

3894
02:37:53,680 --> 02:37:56,160
conditions.

3895
02:37:56,160 --> 02:37:58,880
Uh another thing we've received a letter

3896
02:37:58,880 --> 02:38:02,319
from residents uh representing Elm

3897
02:38:02,319 --> 02:38:06,240
Street and Pine Hill near Route 110A.

3898
02:38:06,240 --> 02:38:09,359
the letters regarding uh truck air

3899
02:38:09,359 --> 02:38:14,000
braing and the the letter essentially we

3900
02:38:14,000 --> 02:38:15,520
will we'll have that at the meeting on

3901
02:38:15,520 --> 02:38:18,319
the 21st. Um in the meantime I'm going

3902
02:38:18,319 --> 02:38:20,640
to be reaching out to do

3903
02:38:20,640 --> 02:38:23,120
um to get their input on on what we

3904
02:38:23,120 --> 02:38:26,080
might do about that.

3905
02:38:26,080 --> 02:38:27,760
Uh I think earlier tonight someone

3906
02:38:27,760 --> 02:38:29,439
mentioned the Whittenneck road

3907
02:38:29,439 --> 02:38:32,240
correspondents from DOT. Uh DOT is

3908
02:38:32,240 --> 02:38:35,120
recommending a road safety audit. uh and

3909
02:38:35,120 --> 02:38:37,760
that they're indicating that the town

3910
02:38:37,760 --> 02:38:39,280
should work with Governor's Landing

3911
02:38:39,280 --> 02:38:41,359
Association and the Lake Region's

3912
02:38:41,359 --> 02:38:43,840
Planning Commission. So, we'll also work

3913
02:38:43,840 --> 02:38:47,600
on that. And lastly, I just wanted to uh

3914
02:38:47,600 --> 02:38:49,840
keep at the forefront that we have RFPs

3915
02:38:49,840 --> 02:38:51,760
for the assessing services that are

3916
02:38:51,760 --> 02:38:55,750
going to be due November 12th.

3917
02:38:55,760 --> 02:38:57,840
» Thank you, Jim.

3918
02:38:57,840 --> 02:39:00,080
Congratulations on your long service.

3919
02:39:00,080 --> 02:39:03,359
Have to put down committee reports.

3920
02:39:03,359 --> 02:39:05,600
Let's start with Mr. Thirsten.

3921
02:39:05,600 --> 02:39:06,960
>> No,

3922
02:39:06,960 --> 02:39:08,080
>> Miss Murray.

3923
02:39:08,080 --> 02:39:10,960
>> Yes, I attended the dockside welcome for

3924
02:39:10,960 --> 02:39:13,760
the uh new town manager and I also

3925
02:39:13,760 --> 02:39:17,040
attended the employees appreciation day.

3926
02:39:17,040 --> 02:39:19,439
I attended last night Wolfboro meeting.

3927
02:39:19,439 --> 02:39:21,040
The committee is starting its

3928
02:39:21,040 --> 02:39:24,800
fundraising. I attended two Wolfboro

3929
02:39:24,800 --> 02:39:27,520
area community

3930
02:39:27,520 --> 02:39:30,560
media center meetings. One was the

3931
02:39:30,560 --> 02:39:32,399
monthly board meeting and the other one

3932
02:39:32,399 --> 02:39:34,960
was the governance committee meeting

3933
02:39:34,960 --> 02:39:36,800
with the public works director. I

3934
02:39:36,800 --> 02:39:40,000
visited the town reservoir. I attended

3935
02:39:40,000 --> 02:39:42,479
two friends of pop whaling meeting

3936
02:39:42,479 --> 02:39:45,120
regarding the chiller. I attended

3937
02:39:45,120 --> 02:39:47,040
several meetings about the community

3938
02:39:47,040 --> 02:39:49,520
center. One was with the builder, the

3939
02:39:49,520 --> 02:39:52,479
town manager, Jordi Hutchinson and Brian

3940
02:39:52,479 --> 02:39:55,120
to review the plans and walk around the

3941
02:39:55,120 --> 02:39:57,600
facility to discuss the changes with the

3942
02:39:57,600 --> 02:40:00,560
new town manager. And we all have been

3943
02:40:00,560 --> 02:40:03,600
lucky to attend two budget review

3944
02:40:03,600 --> 02:40:05,200
meetings.

3945
02:40:05,200 --> 02:40:06,000
>> That's all I have.

3946
02:40:06,000 --> 02:40:09,200
>> Mr. Senle,

3947
02:40:09,200 --> 02:40:11,359
>> as Linda just mentioned, uh we've had

3948
02:40:11,359 --> 02:40:13,520
some budget meetings.

3949
02:40:13,520 --> 02:40:15,600
Linder and I met with the Chamber of

3950
02:40:15,600 --> 02:40:20,399
Commerce in reference to rental of the

3951
02:40:20,399 --> 02:40:23,600
railroad station, met with the friends

3952
02:40:23,600 --> 02:40:28,319
of Abnaki. The motor is here [laughter]

3953
02:40:28,319 --> 02:40:30,640
and is to be uh put together and

3954
02:40:30,640 --> 02:40:32,640
installed hopefully they think within

3955
02:40:32,640 --> 02:40:35,680
the next two weeks. So hopefully that

3956
02:40:35,680 --> 02:40:38,399
will solve that issue.

3957
02:40:38,399 --> 02:40:41,120
uh appreciation day as was mentioned

3958
02:40:41,120 --> 02:40:43,840
dark side with the town manager

3959
02:40:43,840 --> 02:40:46,240
and uh that's all I have

3960
02:40:46,240 --> 02:40:47,439
>> Mr. Duchets.

3961
02:40:47,439 --> 02:40:49,920
>> So we had we had two special select

3962
02:40:49,920 --> 02:40:52,399
board meetings too and then we had two

3963
02:40:52,399 --> 02:40:55,120
budget review meetings then I visited

3964
02:40:55,120 --> 02:40:57,840
the retention pond. We had the dark side

3965
02:40:57,840 --> 02:41:01,600
welcome um with hot dog Bob and um Jim

3966
02:41:01,600 --> 02:41:03,840
Wheeler which was great. Um, employee

3967
02:41:03,840 --> 02:41:06,880
appreciation day, I flipped, um, a

3968
02:41:06,880 --> 02:41:10,000
hundred burgers and I think 140 hot

3969
02:41:10,000 --> 02:41:14,160
dogs. Um, uh, we had the DOT South Main

3970
02:41:14,160 --> 02:41:16,479
project that we attended.

3971
02:41:16,479 --> 02:41:17,200
>> We did.

3972
02:41:17,200 --> 02:41:19,920
>> Um, and, uh, because we're both on that

3973
02:41:19,920 --> 02:41:23,760
commission to push that project forward.

3974
02:41:23,760 --> 02:41:27,840
Um, I've had a lot of um interaction

3975
02:41:27,840 --> 02:41:31,840
with um Amy over the Libby Museum and

3976
02:41:31,840 --> 02:41:34,399
trying to find ways to move stuff. That

3977
02:41:34,399 --> 02:41:36,080
was we already talked about that and

3978
02:41:36,080 --> 02:41:38,160
we've had multiple multiple meetings on

3979
02:41:38,160 --> 02:41:40,720
the community center and we're getting

3980
02:41:40,720 --> 02:41:43,920
real close

3981
02:41:43,920 --> 02:41:45,760
and that's all I've had.

3982
02:41:45,760 --> 02:41:47,920
>> Thank you, Mr. Duchess. Um, on the

3983
02:41:47,920 --> 02:41:49,760
Whiteneck, I don't know Jim if you saw

3984
02:41:49,760 --> 02:41:52,000
this. I don't think you did. Um, because

3985
02:41:52,000 --> 02:41:53,680
it came in just recently. The police

3986
02:41:53,680 --> 02:41:56,240
department has provided crash data to

3987
02:41:56,240 --> 02:41:58,560
the uh Department of Transportation on

3988
02:41:58,560 --> 02:42:01,280
that segment of the road. Last night I

3989
02:42:01,280 --> 02:42:03,200
was with Mr. Senacle with the friends of

3990
02:42:03,200 --> 02:42:09,590
Abanaki.

3991
02:42:09,600 --> 02:42:10,880
All you got to do is look at what

3992
02:42:10,880 --> 02:42:12,800
they're doing and it's just amazing. I

3993
02:42:12,800 --> 02:42:14,399
mean, the motors going in, it's all been

3994
02:42:14,399 --> 02:42:20,479
donated. They're raising money that the electrification of the line.

3995
02:42:20,479 --> 02:42:21,280
>> The good thing about

3996
02:42:21,280 --> 02:42:22,960
>> makes you feel good. Um, at least it

3997
02:42:22,960 --> 02:42:24,960
makes me feel good. I've been at CIP

3998
02:42:24,960 --> 02:42:27,600
meetings. That's why I referenced that

3999
02:42:27,600 --> 02:42:31,280
uh we are we are trying to move the uh

4000
02:42:31,280 --> 02:42:33,040
move this thing along. We're scoring the

4001
02:42:33,040 --> 02:42:35,280
projects right now.

4002
02:42:35,280 --> 02:42:37,840
Um, I did go to the uh planning board

4003
02:42:37,840 --> 02:42:41,040
last evening. I was at the uh hot dog

4004
02:42:41,040 --> 02:42:44,800
bob uh welcome with uh the town manager.

4005
02:42:44,800 --> 02:42:47,600
Same same on employee day. I went up to

4006
02:42:47,600 --> 02:42:51,120
the uh public uh water supply and with

4007
02:42:51,120 --> 02:42:54,240
the uh uh with the members up there, I

4008
02:42:54,240 --> 02:42:56,479
flew the drone over the public water

4009
02:42:56,479 --> 02:42:58,640
supply and had it loiter around certain

4010
02:42:58,640 --> 02:43:02,560
places. Um that's uh that's I think it's

4011
02:43:02,560 --> 02:43:05,520
on the public works website and I've

4012
02:43:05,520 --> 02:43:09,359
been in u uh going over budgets. It's

4013
02:43:09,359 --> 02:43:12,720
that time of the year. Um, I will tell

4014
02:43:12,720 --> 02:43:15,680
you that um

4015
02:43:15,680 --> 02:43:17,200
well I won't I won't mention that. I'll

4016
02:43:17,200 --> 02:43:20,319
mention that later. So with that uh

4017
02:43:20,319 --> 02:43:21,840
questions from the press. Do we have any

4018
02:43:21,840 --> 02:43:23,760
questions from the press?

4019
02:43:23,760 --> 02:43:24,720
>> Well, I have one thing about the

4020
02:43:24,720 --> 02:43:28,319
Whiteneck um investigation. The they've

4021
02:43:28,319 --> 02:43:31,040
since 2019 there have been six accidents

4022
02:43:31,040 --> 02:43:35,359
there. One of them um wasn't there's no

4023
02:43:35,359 --> 02:43:38,080
data on and there's only been one minor

4024
02:43:38,080 --> 02:43:40,720
injury. So, at least we know that that

4025
02:43:40,720 --> 02:43:43,200
intersection is not super dangerous, but

4026
02:43:43,200 --> 02:43:44,479
I'm glad that we're doing a traffic

4027
02:43:44,479 --> 02:43:46,960
study on it to make sure that it's as

4028
02:43:46,960 --> 02:43:47,840
safe as it can be.

4029
02:43:47,840 --> 02:43:48,479
>> Linda,

4030
02:43:48,479 --> 02:43:50,240
>> yeah, I think the problem with that road

4031
02:43:50,240 --> 02:43:52,479
coming out is your visibility on either

4032
02:43:52,479 --> 02:43:55,520
direction. And and that's there may not

4033
02:43:55,520 --> 02:43:57,439
have been crashes, but I'm sure a lot of

4034
02:43:57,439 --> 02:43:59,120
people coming out of there have had some

4035
02:43:59,120 --> 02:44:02,479
real hairy moments. And that's why their

4036
02:44:02,479 --> 02:44:04,240
concern is because their lack of

4037
02:44:04,240 --> 02:44:06,319
visibility. They've tried to put a

4038
02:44:06,319 --> 02:44:08,960
mirror up there and and so I think it's

4039
02:44:08,960 --> 02:44:12,080
they were wise to ask DOT to take a look

4040
02:44:12,080 --> 02:44:12,960
at it in us.

4041
02:44:12,960 --> 02:44:13,359
>> Yeah.

4042
02:44:13,359 --> 02:44:16,160
>> Okay. So, anybody on the press online?

4043
02:44:16,160 --> 02:44:17,040
Timothy

4044
02:44:17,040 --> 02:44:21,040
>> Mayor Chambers the only one online.

4045
02:44:21,040 --> 02:44:23,680
>> Okay. Good. Thank you. Last item is

4046
02:44:23,680 --> 02:44:26,720
public input. 3 minutes. Uh 15 total.

4047
02:44:26,720 --> 02:44:31,520
That gets us u at the 9:00 hour.

4048
02:44:31,520 --> 02:44:34,479
>> I'll be quick. Got a couple of things.

4049
02:44:34,479 --> 02:44:38,560
Uh, as you know, I'm the chair of the

4050
02:44:38,560 --> 02:44:41,359
Friends of the uh, it's a long name, but

4051
02:44:41,359 --> 02:44:44,240
just call it the community center. Uh,

4052
02:44:44,240 --> 02:44:47,760
and this past week, we had our, uh,

4053
02:44:47,760 --> 02:44:50,640
first inaugural, uh, golf tournament at

4054
02:44:50,640 --> 02:44:52,640
Kingswood Golf Club, and I'd like to

4055
02:44:52,640 --> 02:44:54,560
tell you, it's it was very successful,

4056
02:44:54,560 --> 02:44:57,520
raised quite a bit of money. Uh, Brian

4057
02:44:57,520 --> 02:44:59,359
knows the exact amount, so I'm not going

4058
02:44:59,359 --> 02:45:01,600
to say at this point, but it it was

4059
02:45:01,600 --> 02:45:03,279
quite a bit of money. Cool.

4060
02:45:03,279 --> 02:45:07,359
>> Uh, number two, I had uh coffee with our

4061
02:45:07,359 --> 02:45:10,000
new town manager, Jim Wheeler, uh,

4062
02:45:10,000 --> 02:45:12,800
earlier this week. Um, it was, uh, it

4063
02:45:12,800 --> 02:45:15,279
was a good meeting. Uh, like to commend

4064
02:45:15,279 --> 02:45:19,120
the board for hiring a, uh, top-notch

4065
02:45:19,120 --> 02:45:22,080
guy, and we'll see if you stay remain

4066
02:45:22,080 --> 02:45:24,399
topnotch after a while, but [laughter]

4067
02:45:24,399 --> 02:45:28,000
for right now, he's top-notch. Uh, and

4068
02:45:28,000 --> 02:45:32,000
third, um, is a response to Brian's

4069
02:45:32,000 --> 02:45:35,680
letter about the Libby Museum.

4070
02:45:35,680 --> 02:45:38,399
That's a tall order. I mean, uh, it's

4071
02:45:38,399 --> 02:45:41,040
not that, you know, the work is, uh, not

4072
02:45:41,040 --> 02:45:43,760
doable, but some of the stuff, I mean,

4073
02:45:43,760 --> 02:45:45,600
we're talking about deescension. It's

4074
02:45:45,600 --> 02:45:48,160
like you're you're asking somebody who's

4075
02:45:48,160 --> 02:45:50,880
not really a current trustee or

4076
02:45:50,880 --> 02:45:53,359
associated with the trustees to

4077
02:45:53,359 --> 02:45:55,680
determine go through the files and say,

4078
02:45:55,680 --> 02:45:57,200
"Okay,

4079
02:45:57,200 --> 02:45:59,920
we connect you with this artifact. Yes,

4080
02:45:59,920 --> 02:46:01,520
we're going to return it and make the

4081
02:46:01,520 --> 02:46:03,040
decision to return it." What if you get

4082
02:46:03,040 --> 02:46:06,800
it wrong? You know, I mean, so it's a

4083
02:46:06,800 --> 02:46:09,040
it's could be problematic is all I'm

4084
02:46:09,040 --> 02:46:11,520
saying. U I'm not saying that people

4085
02:46:11,520 --> 02:46:13,200
aren't going to want to do it. I'm just

4086
02:46:13,200 --> 02:46:15,600
saying that people are going to want to

4087
02:46:15,600 --> 02:46:18,319
be held harmless, if you will, and they

4088
02:46:18,319 --> 02:46:19,520
don't want to make decisions that's

4089
02:46:19,520 --> 02:46:22,800
going to cause, you know, you guys

4090
02:46:22,800 --> 02:46:26,000
grief, us grief, and the people who uh

4091
02:46:26,000 --> 02:46:28,720
actually loan the artifacts grief. Yeah.

4092
02:46:28,720 --> 02:46:30,160
So, that's that's my call.

4093
02:46:30,160 --> 02:46:31,120
>> Thank you, sir.

4094
02:46:31,120 --> 02:46:34,000
>> Anyone else?

4095
02:46:34,000 --> 02:46:42,469
>> Hi, Suz.

4096
02:46:42,479 --> 02:46:44,240
Good evening.

4097
02:46:44,240 --> 02:46:45,600
Um,

4098
02:46:45,600 --> 02:46:46,560
>> Suzanne [clears throat] Ryan,

4099
02:46:46,560 --> 02:46:48,399
>> first uh I would like to say that I

4100
02:46:48,399 --> 02:46:50,319
agree with the presentation that the

4101
02:46:50,319 --> 02:46:53,920
group put on about the uh testing, but I

4102
02:46:53,920 --> 02:46:57,120
didn't want to take up their time and I

4103
02:46:57,120 --> 02:46:59,359
didn't want to take away from the

4104
02:46:59,359 --> 02:47:01,200
technical information they were giving

4105
02:47:01,200 --> 02:47:04,479
you. Um,

4106
02:47:04,479 --> 02:47:06,720
I'm going to kind of dumb it down to my

4107
02:47:06,720 --> 02:47:08,640
level

4108
02:47:08,640 --> 02:47:10,960
because all the numbers they were

4109
02:47:10,960 --> 02:47:13,840
throwing and the subject matter that

4110
02:47:13,840 --> 02:47:18,240
went with it is beyond me. Uh, but I

4111
02:47:18,240 --> 02:47:20,319
will say that I don't think we can wait

4112
02:47:20,319 --> 02:47:24,479
until the completion of the CIP project.

4113
02:47:24,479 --> 02:47:29,520
uh from engineering design through to

4114
02:47:29,520 --> 02:47:32,080
shovel in the ground [clears throat] and

4115
02:47:32,080 --> 02:47:34,319
I think I heard number like five to

4116
02:47:34,319 --> 02:47:36,240
seven years

4117
02:47:36,240 --> 02:47:38,000
that would take it's going to take a

4118
02:47:38,000 --> 02:47:41,760
long time and so

4119
02:47:41,760 --> 02:47:45,520
what brings to mind to me is some some

4120
02:47:45,520 --> 02:47:50,150
sort of remedial

4121
02:47:50,160 --> 02:47:55,439
action taken there to tide us over and

4122
02:47:55,439 --> 02:47:56,960
I'd

4123
02:47:56,960 --> 02:47:59,040
like to go along something Linda

4124
02:47:59,040 --> 02:48:02,720
mentioned about the town having plans

4125
02:48:02,720 --> 02:48:06,160
passed and in the works and so forth. I

4126
02:48:06,160 --> 02:48:08,560
would uh also like to bring a different

4127
02:48:08,560 --> 02:48:11,359
perspective to that which is the town

4128
02:48:11,359 --> 02:48:15,439
voters had voted on themselves

4129
02:48:15,439 --> 02:48:17,760
and accepted

4130
02:48:17,760 --> 02:48:22,720
the storm water management policy plan

4131
02:48:22,720 --> 02:48:26,399
and the uh provisions that we have under

4132
02:48:26,399 --> 02:48:30,240
the regulations of land use

4133
02:48:30,240 --> 02:48:32,160
and property owners when they make

4134
02:48:32,160 --> 02:48:34,240
changes or development to their

4135
02:48:34,240 --> 02:48:37,840
property. They have to follow uh site

4136
02:48:37,840 --> 02:48:40,720
plan review which includes

4137
02:48:40,720 --> 02:48:43,200
storm water management.

4138
02:48:43,200 --> 02:48:47,120
The town's voters also voted that re

4139
02:48:47,120 --> 02:48:49,200
there are requirements for storm water

4140
02:48:49,200 --> 02:48:51,120
management plans for commercial

4141
02:48:51,120 --> 02:48:54,640
properties when changes are made to the

4142
02:48:54,640 --> 02:48:56,880
property that would impact storm water

4143
02:48:56,880 --> 02:49:01,520
management. As an example, we have a

4144
02:49:01,520 --> 02:49:03,920
historic Hunter

4145
02:49:03,920 --> 02:49:07,279
Sharp and Save in 2023

4146
02:49:07,279 --> 02:49:11,520
that according uh to their engineer

4147
02:49:11,520 --> 02:49:14,399
installed per

4148
02:49:14,399 --> 02:49:17,600
their level of upgrading a storm water

4149
02:49:17,600 --> 02:49:21,120
management plan which was very costly

4150
02:49:21,120 --> 02:49:24,399
and they claimed and I believe that they

4151
02:49:24,399 --> 02:49:29,840
put in one of the best vortex systems in the town of Wolboro. It were very

4152
02:49:29,840 --> 02:49:32,399
costly and above and beyond what was

4153
02:49:32,399 --> 02:49:34,640
required of them. It took care of the

4154
02:49:34,640 --> 02:49:38,817
parking lot and that whole area.

4155
02:49:38,817 --> 02:49:41,200
[clears throat] So

4156
02:49:41,200 --> 02:49:44,319
given that we have this these

4157
02:49:44,319 --> 02:49:47,760
regulations, I don't understand why we

4158
02:49:47,760 --> 02:49:50,640
at the town docks aren't doing something

4159
02:49:50,640 --> 02:49:53,840
to mitigate that problem.

4160
02:49:53,840 --> 02:49:56,560
Whatever it be, we all I've heard it

4161
02:49:56,560 --> 02:49:58,080
tonight.

4162
02:49:58,080 --> 02:50:00,399
Maybe you all didn't agree, but some of

4163
02:50:00,399 --> 02:50:02,640
you said you recognize there's some sort

4164
02:50:02,640 --> 02:50:05,439
of a problem there.

4165
02:50:05,439 --> 02:50:09,680
And it's caused by storm water somewhere

4166
02:50:09,680 --> 02:50:14,160
somehow that's getting there and stuff

4167
02:50:14,160 --> 02:50:16,560
is going into the lake that shouldn't go

4168
02:50:16,560 --> 02:50:18,560
into the lake.

4169
02:50:18,560 --> 02:50:27,120
uh we have a class B lake and under such

4170
02:50:27,120 --> 02:50:30,640
um there are regulations which require

4171
02:50:30,640 --> 02:50:36,240
that you do not do what we're doing and

4172
02:50:36,240 --> 02:50:39,040
so with the idea of some sort of

4173
02:50:39,040 --> 02:50:41,920
mitigation

4174
02:50:41,920 --> 02:50:46,880
um I guess I have questions of the DPW

4175
02:50:46,880 --> 02:50:52,160
and what they do uh on a annual or daily

4176
02:50:52,160 --> 02:50:54,960
or weekly or monthly basis

4177
02:50:54,960 --> 02:50:59,200
and um I haven't heard much about that

4178
02:50:59,200 --> 02:51:01,279
and actually I don't know if we have any

4179
02:51:01,279 --> 02:51:05,120
but I would like some to throw out some

4180
02:51:05,120 --> 02:51:07,760
questions and maybe get some answers not

4181
02:51:07,760 --> 02:51:10,640
tonight but forthcoming.

4182
02:51:10,640 --> 02:51:15,359
So, um, does the DPW have storm water

4183
02:51:15,359 --> 02:51:17,840
policy managements?

4184
02:51:17,840 --> 02:51:21,200
Uh, does the DPW have a dayto-day

4185
02:51:21,200 --> 02:51:24,240
pollution prevention task at the

4186
02:51:24,240 --> 02:51:26,800
downtown dark waterfront?

4187
02:51:26,800 --> 02:51:29,439
Do they clean out and keep clean the

4188
02:51:29,439 --> 02:51:34,479
catch basin of sediment and prevent mud,

4189
02:51:34,479 --> 02:51:38,160
leaf, leaf rot, and auto debris from

4190
02:51:38,160 --> 02:51:42,399
entering flowing uh and flowing directly

4191
02:51:42,399 --> 02:51:46,960
into the lake during or before heavy

4192
02:51:46,960 --> 02:51:50,800
downpours predicted on a regular basis?

4193
02:51:50,800 --> 02:51:53,279
Some kind of a policy.

4194
02:51:53,279 --> 02:51:56,479
Do they have a regular sweeping schedule

4195
02:51:56,479 --> 02:52:01,439
for downtown parking lots and the main

4196
02:52:01,439 --> 02:52:04,479
street area where the in front of the

4197
02:52:04,479 --> 02:52:07,840
Avery building that area to remove

4198
02:52:07,840 --> 02:52:10,960
accumulated road sand, salt, and heavy

4199
02:52:10,960 --> 02:52:15,760
metals before a rain can wash it down to

4200
02:52:15,760 --> 02:52:18,240
the boat ramp?

4201
02:52:18,240 --> 02:52:22,880
Does DPW have a big spring cleanup of

4202
02:52:22,880 --> 02:52:27,520
the parking area and storm drain policy?

4203
02:52:27,520 --> 02:52:30,960
Better yet, what is the written best

4204
02:52:30,960 --> 02:52:34,960
policy, best management policy

4205
02:52:34,960 --> 02:52:38,640
for storm water at the docks, parking

4206
02:52:38,640 --> 02:52:42,479
lot, and storm drain? How do we strive

4207
02:52:42,479 --> 02:52:47,520
to keep a close as close to the Clean

4208
02:52:47,520 --> 02:52:52,080
Water Act at the site as possible? And

4209
02:52:52,080 --> 02:52:55,600
what remedial action will you now take,

4210
02:52:55,600 --> 02:52:58,800
such as knowing there is a problem? Call

4211
02:52:58,800 --> 02:53:02,160
it what you may.

4212
02:53:02,160 --> 02:53:04,399
Um,

4213
02:53:04,399 --> 02:53:08,560
uh, you have to excuse me. I'm still get

4214
02:53:08,560 --> 02:53:10,319
getting over something. I don't know

4215
02:53:10,319 --> 02:53:17,040
what uh [sighs] so

4216
02:53:17,040 --> 02:53:21,359
uh examples of remedial action and

4217
02:53:21,359 --> 02:53:28,399
believe me I I'm not trying to preach to the choir because I know only this

4218
02:53:28,399 --> 02:53:34,880
much but the catch basin has a way of

4219
02:53:34,880 --> 02:53:38,240
having an insert that is a strain a

4220
02:53:38,240 --> 02:53:42,160
storm water drain filter filtration

4221
02:53:42,160 --> 02:53:45,359
way of filtering and I don't know if

4222
02:53:45,359 --> 02:53:48,880
that storm water catch basin down there

4223
02:53:48,880 --> 02:53:51,359
has anything other than what you see

4224
02:53:51,359 --> 02:53:56,160
from when you look at it. So um but

4225
02:53:56,160 --> 02:53:58,880
there should be some routine vacuuming

4226
02:53:58,880 --> 02:54:01,600
that the vacuum truck comes in and they

4227
02:54:01,600 --> 02:54:07,760
pump and and sweeping once a month. uh

4228
02:54:07,760 --> 02:54:11,920
not once a year. Um

4229
02:54:11,920 --> 02:54:14,640
uh sweeping maybe should be bi-weekly

4230
02:54:14,640 --> 02:54:16,800
during summer

4231
02:54:16,800 --> 02:54:27,920
for storm water. Uh think think about uh the water coming

4232
02:54:27,920 --> 02:54:31,840
off the parking lot in a sheet of water.

4233
02:54:31,840 --> 02:54:36,479
Um, could we not have some sort of a a

4234
02:54:36,479 --> 02:54:40,880
sock or whatever they call it that's a a

4235
02:54:40,880 --> 02:54:44,800
on the edge of the area by the by the uh

4236
02:54:44,800 --> 02:54:49,680
ramp that sort of um

4237
02:54:49,680 --> 02:54:53,359
absorbs some of that and and tries to uh

4238
02:54:53,359 --> 02:54:55,359
eliminate all of it going into the

4239
02:54:55,359 --> 02:54:58,399
water. I there's mechanisms again far

4240
02:54:58,399 --> 02:55:01,439
beyond what I understand.

4241
02:55:01,439 --> 02:55:04,560
But um

4242
02:55:04,560 --> 02:55:08,399
I also pulled out the 22 master plan.

4243
02:55:08,399 --> 02:55:10,479
Um,

4244
02:55:10,479 --> 02:55:11,200
this thing

4245
02:55:11,200 --> 02:55:14,230
>> 22

4246
02:55:14,240 --> 02:55:15,760
» 19

4247
02:55:15,760 --> 02:55:18,240
>> I pulled it out for another reason, but

4248
02:55:18,240 --> 02:55:20,640
there's several mentions of storm water

4249
02:55:20,640 --> 02:55:22,160
management

4250
02:55:22,160 --> 02:55:24,800
and it's great on paper, but we aren't

4251
02:55:24,800 --> 02:55:26,960
doing any of it. I mean, we're doing

4252
02:55:26,960 --> 02:55:29,120
some of it, but a lot of it has to do

4253
02:55:29,120 --> 02:55:31,840
with committees and and other

4254
02:55:31,840 --> 02:55:35,040
organizations and writing for grants.

4255
02:55:35,040 --> 02:55:37,920
I'm asking for something to be done

4256
02:55:37,920 --> 02:55:41,680
sooner than later, like now,

4257
02:55:41,680 --> 02:55:44,880
plan for now. And then I'm also going to

4258
02:55:44,880 --> 02:55:47,200
send you

4259
02:55:47,200 --> 02:55:52,000
um I I talked to the engineer who did um

4260
02:55:52,000 --> 02:55:54,399
the uh hunters.

4261
02:55:54,399 --> 02:55:56,720
Um I was trying to find out how much

4262
02:55:56,720 --> 02:56:00,319
money that cost. Um, but instead of

4263
02:56:00,319 --> 02:56:03,120
that, I got some other good information.

4264
02:56:03,120 --> 02:56:06,240
And uh, where did I write it down? I'm

4265
02:56:06,240 --> 02:56:08,160
going to send you the link because it

4266
02:56:08,160 --> 02:56:12,319
had had some good stuff. And uh, what he

4267
02:56:12,319 --> 02:56:17,840
called it was um, a link to jellyfish.

4268
02:56:17,840 --> 02:56:19,520
And I'm thinking, I grew up at Plum

4269
02:56:19,520 --> 02:56:21,520
Island. I know what jellyfish are. What

4270
02:56:21,520 --> 02:56:23,520
the heck is jellyfish doing up here at

4271
02:56:23,520 --> 02:56:26,640
the lake? So that tells you how I I know

4272
02:56:26,640 --> 02:56:29,840
so little about this. But it is a

4273
02:56:29,840 --> 02:56:38,319
filtration uh product and we can ensure not wait six six or more

4274
02:56:38,319 --> 02:56:41,439
years to address the storm water drain

4275
02:56:41,439 --> 02:56:44,479
problem. Whatever whatever we got

4276
02:56:44,479 --> 02:56:46,720
whatever you want to call it that we've

4277
02:56:46,720 --> 02:56:50,960
all agreed there's a problem. So, I'll send you the link. Thank you.

4278
02:56:50,960 --> 02:56:53,200
>> And uh there's a couple other links,

4279
02:56:53,200 --> 02:56:56,080
too. And some of it you know about from

4280
02:56:56,080 --> 02:56:58,800
um the public safety building, too.

4281
02:56:58,800 --> 02:57:00,960
>> Um but I think there's something that be

4282
02:57:00,960 --> 02:57:02,800
can be done and we're skipping that

4283
02:57:02,800 --> 02:57:04,880
step. Thank you. That's

4284
02:57:04,880 --> 02:57:06,160
>> Thank you. And uh take care of your

4285
02:57:06,160 --> 02:57:07,439
cold.

4286
02:57:07,439 --> 02:57:09,040
>> Let's do one more uh because we're

4287
02:57:09,040 --> 02:57:12,082
almost at the appointed time.

4288
02:57:12,082 --> 02:57:14,080
[snorts]

4289
02:57:14,080 --> 02:57:16,720
>> Hello, Bobby Bman. Um, I want to go to

4290
02:57:16,720 --> 02:57:19,120
the Wit and Neck conversation. Part of

4291
02:57:19,120 --> 02:57:21,840
the reason I came tonight, um, waiting

4292
02:57:21,840 --> 02:57:25,279
for a road study audit for the community

4293
02:57:25,279 --> 02:57:28,560
and for that corner. Um, William Lambert

4294
02:57:28,560 --> 02:57:31,760
was very clear and we went back and

4295
02:57:31,760 --> 02:57:36,000
forth on that corner is 43 to 44 miles

4296
02:57:36,000 --> 02:57:38,080
an hour. That's more than the speed

4297
02:57:38,080 --> 02:57:41,520
limit there. This board has the right to

4298
02:57:41,520 --> 02:57:45,040
propose and ask for a 30 m an hour speed

4299
02:57:45,040 --> 02:57:47,840
limit there. And I highly recommend that

4300
02:57:47,840 --> 02:57:49,520
you do that for the for your

4301
02:57:49,520 --> 02:57:51,279
constituents, for the people on that

4302
02:57:51,279 --> 02:57:54,800
corner. Very clear. They did the study,

4303
02:57:54,800 --> 02:57:56,800
asked for it. Why are we going to wait?

4304
02:57:56,800 --> 02:57:58,720
I mean, we know we know the speed limit

4305
02:57:58,720 --> 02:58:02,000
that's happening there. Um, what was my

4306
02:58:02,000 --> 02:58:04,640
other thing? Oh, different hat. Uh,

4307
02:58:04,640 --> 02:58:06,160
budget

4308
02:58:06,160 --> 02:58:09,279
season is upon us. Last year there was a

4309
02:58:09,279 --> 02:58:14,160
sweeping cut. I think it was $30,000 to

4310
02:58:14,160 --> 02:58:18,080
handle our storm water drains and it was

4311
02:58:18,080 --> 02:58:21,040
not put back in the budget and I know

4312
02:58:21,040 --> 02:58:24,080
that we discussed it at length. So I do

4313
02:58:24,080 --> 02:58:26,080
hope this year that that is not

4314
02:58:26,080 --> 02:58:29,120
somewhere where this board feels like

4315
02:58:29,120 --> 02:58:31,359
money should be cut. there are other

4316
02:58:31,359 --> 02:58:34,640
places to cut our storm water based on

4317
02:58:34,640 --> 02:58:36,720
what we're hearing tonight is very

4318
02:58:36,720 --> 02:58:40,640
important to deal with. Um

4319
02:58:40,640 --> 02:58:44,160
we can talk about Kerry Beach later. And

4320
02:58:44,160 --> 02:58:46,319
uh the other thing was I wanted to

4321
02:58:46,319 --> 02:58:50,160
invite people on October 16th, Friday

4322
02:58:50,160 --> 02:58:53,760
night, we will be discussing HB1300

4323
02:58:53,760 --> 02:58:56,640
at Kingswood Regional High School. That

4324
02:58:56,640 --> 02:59:00,880
is a um statutory

4325
02:59:00,880 --> 02:59:03,600
decision that will go on our ballot and

4326
02:59:03,600 --> 02:59:05,200
it's at the town level, but it's the

4327
02:59:05,200 --> 02:59:08,560
town level for the school and we will be

4328
02:59:08,560 --> 02:59:10,080
voting on that and we will have a

4329
02:59:10,080 --> 02:59:13,439
discussion at 6:30. Doors open at 5:30

4330
02:59:13,439 --> 02:59:16,160
and that will be in the lecture hall at

4331
02:59:16,160 --> 02:59:18,720
Kingswood Regional High School. Thanks.

4332
02:59:18,720 --> 02:59:20,640
>> Thanks, Bobby. Appreciate your bre your

4333
02:59:20,640 --> 02:59:23,359
brevity as well. Board members, uh could

4334
02:59:23,359 --> 02:59:25,439
I get a motion to uh go into non-public,

4335
02:59:25,439 --> 02:59:27,279
please? So moved. Second.

4336
02:59:27,279 --> 02:59:28,800
>> I have a motion and a second to move

4337
02:59:28,800 --> 02:59:30,880
into non-public. All those in favor? I.

4338
02:59:30,880 --> 02:59:31,760
>> I.

4339
02:59:31,760 --> 02:59:33,680
>> Holy mackerel.

4340
02:59:33,680 --> 02:59:35,359
>> Thank you, Bobby, for punctuating my

4341
02:59:35,359 --> 02:59:35,840
motion.

4342
02:59:35,840 --> 02:59:36,960
>> She just hit the gavl.

4343
02:59:36,960 --> 02:59:38,960
>> Okay,

4344
02:59:38,960 --> 02:59:40,960
>> all those in favor, I for non-public.

4345
02:59:40,960 --> 02:59:41,279
>> I

4346
02:59:41,279 --> 02:59:42,640
>> Okay, we're in non-public. Thank you,

4347
02:59:42,640 --> 02:59:46,710
everybody. Have a good night.

4348
02:59:46,720 --> 02:59:48,160
» We have some things here for board

4349
02:59:48,160 --> 02:59:49,279
members to sign.

4350
02:59:49,279 --> 02:59:50,160
>> We should

4351
02:59:50,160 --> 02:59:59,269
>> start down this in

4352
02:59:59,279 --> 03:00:00,000
Thank you.

4353
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:03,000
>> Okay.