1 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:49,199 Welcome to the June 28th, 2026 Planning 2 00:04:49,199 --> 00:04:51,120 Commission meeting. If all commissioners 3 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:52,800 would please mute your microphone until 4 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:54,639 it is your turn to speak, that would be 5 00:04:54,639 --> 00:04:56,800 appreciated. Members of the public may 6 00:04:56,800 --> 00:04:59,919 join using a PC, Mac, iPad, iPhone, or 7 00:04:59,919 --> 00:05:02,000 Android device. Members of the public 8 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:03,840 can access the meeting online at the 9 00:05:03,840 --> 00:05:05,919 city's website. 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All questions, both 25 00:05:33,840 --> 00:05:35,840 online and in person, will be called on 26 00:05:35,840 --> 00:05:37,520 after the project and reference is 27 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:39,520 presented. With that, we will call the 28 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:41,440 meeting to order. Staff, will you start 29 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:42,800 the roll call, please? 30 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:46,080 >> Thank you, chair. Jim Gentiel, 31 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:46,880 >> present. 32 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:48,400 >> Jake Guzzek, 33 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:49,440 >> here. 34 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:50,880 >> Marsha Kennedy, 35 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:54,240 >> here. John Colllum, 36 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:55,600 Stephanie Swanson 37 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:56,560 >> here, 38 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:57,840 >> Saurin Shaw 39 00:05:57,840 --> 00:05:58,639 >> here, 40 00:05:58,639 --> 00:06:00,080 >> Shay Sebrooks 41 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:00,720 >> here, 42 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:02,320 >> Jazelle Parnell 43 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:03,199 >> here, 44 00:06:03,199 --> 00:06:04,639 >> Rianne Hole 45 00:06:04,639 --> 00:06:05,520 >> here. 46 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:07,120 >> Chair, we have a quorum. 47 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:10,080 >> All right. Thank you. The first item on 48 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:12,479 the agenda is the Bailey West 49 00:06:12,479 --> 00:06:14,960 development comprehensive plan reszoning 50 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:18,160 and preliminary plat project number 1 51 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:23,830 19-2025-0000600 52 00:06:23,840 --> 00:06:27,600 and Eric take it away. Thank you, Chair. 53 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:29,360 Bailey Nurseries has submitted an 54 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:31,280 application for a comprehensive plan 55 00:06:31,280 --> 00:06:35,280 amendment, a resoning, and a preliminary plat for their project, 56 00:06:35,280 --> 00:06:39,680 which measures approximately 185 acres. 57 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:41,440 The property is located to the north 58 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:44,319 side of Bailey Road and to the west of 59 00:06:44,319 --> 00:06:46,800 New Life Academy. The Bailey's own close 60 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:51,039 to 300 acres spread across Maplewood, 61 00:06:51,039 --> 00:06:53,680 Woodbury, and Newport. Uh the cities 62 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:55,440 have worked closely together and 63 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:58,160 collaboratively through the development 64 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:00,720 review process to evaluate things like 65 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:03,360 site access, storm water management, and 66 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:05,520 project timing. 67 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:07,759 The Bailey master plan was in front of 68 00:07:07,759 --> 00:07:09,680 the planning commission at the previous 69 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:11,039 planning commission meeting and the 70 00:07:11,039 --> 00:07:13,440 council did approve the master plan at 71 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:17,840 their June 24th meeting. The uh items on 72 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:20,160 the screen were a were components of the 73 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:22,560 master plan. And it is important to note 74 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:24,160 that one of the modifications that 75 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:27,199 council gave during the council uh 76 00:07:27,199 --> 00:07:29,039 review and approval of the master plan 77 00:07:29,039 --> 00:07:32,800 was related to the review and future 78 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:34,639 review of the connection of Century 79 00:07:34,639 --> 00:07:36,960 Avenue. And I'll touch on that a little 80 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:38,800 bit further, but council did make an 81 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:40,960 amendment to the master plan that that 82 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:42,479 connection would be reviewed as part of 83 00:07:42,479 --> 00:07:44,639 the 2050 comprehensive plan 84 00:07:44,639 --> 00:07:48,000 transportation section review as well as 85 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:50,880 review of uh the adjacent development 86 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:53,599 review process. So, um the master plan 87 00:07:53,599 --> 00:07:55,039 will now show some dotted lines that 88 00:07:55,039 --> 00:07:58,800 show that that's a future determination. 89 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:00,720 In front of the planning commission this 90 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:03,440 evening is a request for a land use 91 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:06,080 change of our 2040 comprehensive plan. 92 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:07,520 On the lefth hand side of the screen is 93 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:09,520 the existing land use which identifies 94 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:12,639 mixed use and places to work. On the 95 00:08:12,639 --> 00:08:14,240 right hand side is the proposed land use 96 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:15,759 and you'll see the mixed use is really 97 00:08:15,759 --> 00:08:17,360 kind of wrapping now that public 98 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:20,080 semi-public use. The public semi-public 99 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:23,440 use is uh accommodating the future 100 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:26,400 expansion for sports activities and 101 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:28,000 recreation activities for New Life 102 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:31,280 Academy. And so that change would be to 103 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:33,200 public semi-public from a land use 104 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:35,279 standpoint. The city of Woodbury 105 00:08:35,279 --> 00:08:38,000 utilizes two findings generally speaking 106 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:40,640 for to support a change to the 107 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:42,399 comprehensive plan. Either a mistake was 108 00:08:42,399 --> 00:08:44,640 made designating the property or times 109 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:46,800 and conditions have changed. In this 110 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:49,440 case, times and conditions have changed. 111 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:52,000 Uh, and that is related to the 112 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:54,399 acquisition by New Life Academy. At the 113 00:08:54,399 --> 00:08:56,000 time of the 2040 plan, it was unknown 114 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:57,600 that New Life would be looking to make 115 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:00,080 that acquisition. And with their close 116 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:02,480 proximity to this, it does make sense to 117 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:04,560 support a change. Furthermore, the 118 00:09:04,560 --> 00:09:06,560 comprehensive plan does provide guidance 119 00:09:06,560 --> 00:09:08,480 within their guiding principles 120 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:10,240 regarding promoting excellence in 121 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:12,240 education. and furthermore that 122 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:13,839 excellence in education is part of the 123 00:09:13,839 --> 00:09:15,839 core values, quality of life and 124 00:09:15,839 --> 00:09:18,880 identity of Woodbury. 125 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:20,880 Due to the land use change, a 126 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:23,680 modification for zoning is also 127 00:09:23,680 --> 00:09:26,080 necessary through the resoning process. 128 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:29,040 the resoning request uh a chain a 129 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:31,920 modification to B3 for the retail area 130 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:36,560 up against Bailey Road and the R4 zoning 131 00:09:36,560 --> 00:09:40,720 for the residential future uh projects. 132 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:43,680 As you'll see, the area on the far north 133 00:09:43,680 --> 00:09:46,080 continues to be business campus district 134 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:47,839 and that is because we're not proceeding 135 00:09:47,839 --> 00:09:50,480 with the zoning or land use changes that 136 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:53,040 would be coming post adoption of the 137 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:57,120 2050 comprehensive plan. Again, 138 00:09:57,120 --> 00:09:58,640 future development reviews for this 139 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:01,440 overall project will uh be reviewed by 140 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:03,200 the planning and commission and city 141 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:06,000 council um as more information is noted 142 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:08,399 and as detailed development applications 143 00:10:08,399 --> 00:10:11,519 are made. This approach was previously 144 00:10:11,519 --> 00:10:14,320 utilized in for city place development, 145 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:16,880 the Benberg gardens and in the northeast 146 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:19,200 area. So again, in the future, the 147 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:20,240 planning commission will have the 148 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:21,760 opportunity likely through either the 149 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:23,839 site and building plan process, uh 150 00:10:23,839 --> 00:10:25,519 potentially the conditional use permit 151 00:10:25,519 --> 00:10:28,959 process to evaluate things like design, 152 00:10:28,959 --> 00:10:30,880 site flow, parking setbacks, 153 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:32,640 architectural designs for the individual 154 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:34,640 projects. That information is not known 155 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:38,320 as part of this application. 156 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:40,079 As we look at the prelim preliminary 157 00:10:40,079 --> 00:10:43,519 plat, we'll notice one lot, one property 158 00:10:43,519 --> 00:10:45,760 is being platted into lots and block. 159 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:47,920 That's for New Life Academy. The others 160 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:50,880 will be identified in more of a broad 161 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:53,120 area as outlots and will be replplatted 162 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:56,160 in the future as project specifics are 163 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:57,680 known. So there will be a future 164 00:10:57,680 --> 00:11:00,320 platting activity as developments are 165 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:03,440 reviewed in the future. The pedestrian 166 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:05,200 movements are very similar to what you 167 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:07,600 saw in the master plan. Movements along 168 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:10,160 Century Avenue from a trail standpoint 169 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:12,480 as well as sidewalk connections 170 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:15,519 throughout the future development areas. 171 00:11:15,519 --> 00:11:17,839 Uh as a reminder to the planning 172 00:11:17,839 --> 00:11:20,079 commission uh within the master plan, it 173 00:11:20,079 --> 00:11:22,160 did identify that additional connections 174 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:23,839 from a sidewalk standpoint would occur 175 00:11:23,839 --> 00:11:26,240 in the future retail area and likely in 176 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:28,800 within the future multifamily to connect 177 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:31,200 to these pedestrian spines that run 178 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:32,959 along the future private drive and 179 00:11:32,959 --> 00:11:37,110 Century Avenue. 180 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:38,959 As identified previously, this is a 181 00:11:38,959 --> 00:11:41,760 multi-phase project with the first phase 182 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:43,760 including site grading, utility 183 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:45,760 construction, and the construction of a 184 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:47,839 portion of Century Avenue that's shown 185 00:11:47,839 --> 00:11:50,560 in the the box on the screen or the 186 00:11:50,560 --> 00:11:52,480 dashed box on the screen. So, the 187 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:54,240 Century Avenue would only be constructed 188 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:56,880 to that point at this time. And again, 189 00:11:56,880 --> 00:11:59,120 as directed by the city council, further 190 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:02,079 evaluation would occur on Century 191 00:12:02,079 --> 00:12:03,920 Avenue, further to the north of that as 192 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:05,839 part of the 2050 comprehensive plan 193 00:12:05,839 --> 00:12:07,920 process. 194 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:11,040 A regional storm water approach uh is 195 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:13,200 provided as part of this application. 196 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:15,920 The largest basin is to the west of 197 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:18,160 future Century Avenue or the alignment 198 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:20,079 of that roadway. Again, Sentry would 199 00:12:20,079 --> 00:12:23,040 terminate in this location that will 200 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:25,120 provide the vast majority of storm water 201 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:27,120 management for the site. You'll notice a 202 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:28,720 small basin. This is more of an interim 203 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:31,600 basin to uh address storm water flows 204 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:32,959 through the site in advance of 205 00:12:32,959 --> 00:12:34,959 development of the residential area to 206 00:12:34,959 --> 00:12:37,839 the north in the future. Also shown the 207 00:12:37,839 --> 00:12:40,160 third area is on the existing New Life 208 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:41,839 campus and some light grading that's 209 00:12:41,839 --> 00:12:43,920 occurring. That's to prepare for future 210 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:46,079 expansion and it allows for an efficient 211 00:12:46,079 --> 00:12:48,560 construction as well as managing some of 212 00:12:48,560 --> 00:12:51,440 the um excess material on site and 213 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:54,240 allowing for for balancing of material 214 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:55,920 uh throughout the site area from a 215 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:58,560 grading standpoint. 216 00:12:58,560 --> 00:13:00,079 There are a number of access points that 217 00:13:00,079 --> 00:13:02,560 are designed to meet the needs for this 218 00:13:02,560 --> 00:13:04,320 improvement. A detailed traffic study 219 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:07,040 was conducted as part of this project. 220 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:08,560 There will be some level of 221 00:13:08,560 --> 00:13:12,240 signalization at access point B uh as 222 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:13,839 reviewed and approved by Washington 223 00:13:13,839 --> 00:13:15,120 County as well as turn light 224 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:17,279 improvements. There's a secondary access 225 00:13:17,279 --> 00:13:20,800 that will serve the uh future uh 226 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:22,800 industrial park with located within the 227 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:25,120 city of Newport located at access point 228 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:28,160 A. Access point C is a private drive 229 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:31,600 connection to the existing New Life can 230 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:35,040 uh campus. Access point D again is the 231 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:36,399 terminus of those phase one 232 00:13:36,399 --> 00:13:38,959 improvements. It is identified within 233 00:13:38,959 --> 00:13:40,399 the master plan that there is a 234 00:13:40,399 --> 00:13:42,160 connection at Chamberlain Road as part 235 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:44,240 of access point F. That would be 236 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:46,800 carefully designed to ensure that this 237 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:49,760 is a connectivity connection, not uh a 238 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:52,079 throughway into Chamberlain. So really 239 00:13:52,079 --> 00:13:54,000 looking at connectivity versus moving 240 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:56,079 traffic through the community. And 241 00:13:56,079 --> 00:13:58,320 again, not to be redundant, but it is 242 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:00,079 important for the record to identify 243 00:14:00,079 --> 00:14:03,920 that the improvements within A or area E 244 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:06,079 uh will be evaluated through that 2050 245 00:14:06,079 --> 00:14:08,800 plan and is not identified at this uh 246 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:12,000 time to be constructed with this review. 247 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:13,680 And with that, staff recommends approval 248 00:14:13,680 --> 00:14:15,040 of the comprehensive plan amendment 249 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:17,360 resoning and plunary plat for the Bailey 250 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:20,079 West project. and the applicant is on 251 00:14:20,079 --> 00:14:23,040 hand for any questions. 252 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:24,560 >> Would the applicant like to add anything 253 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:31,030 at this time? 254 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:32,800 » Hi, uh Mark Kick of Alliance 255 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:36,399 Engineering. Um glad to be here. Um want 256 00:14:36,399 --> 00:14:38,000 to thank staff for all their help with 257 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:39,920 everything getting us to this point. We 258 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:41,440 have a number of team members here to 259 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:43,279 field any questions you have, but 260 00:14:43,279 --> 00:14:45,199 nothing to add right now. So, thank you 261 00:14:45,199 --> 00:14:48,550 though. 262 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:50,560 All right, thank you for being here. I 263 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:53,279 do have a couple of yellow sheets. Sorry 264 00:14:53,279 --> 00:14:55,600 if I mixed up the order. We're going to 265 00:14:55,600 --> 00:15:00,560 start with Miss Ellen McPartland. 266 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:03,360 I hope I pronounced that right. 267 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:04,639 Please just go ahead and state your name 268 00:15:04,639 --> 00:15:06,079 and address when you get up to the 269 00:15:06,079 --> 00:15:13,910 podium. 270 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:17,519 Hello, my name is Alan McPartland. I'm 271 00:15:17,519 --> 00:15:21,440 owner of 1135 Century Avenue South. Um, 272 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:24,240 a 2acre property and home for the last 273 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:27,440 eight years. Um, I moved here after 274 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:29,600 living out of state and I was previously 275 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:32,320 a Lowertown St. Paul resident where I 276 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:34,480 actually led their Lowertown master plan 277 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:37,440 task force which passed through the St. 278 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:40,160 post city council and during your 279 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:41,839 planning commission meeting this evening 280 00:15:41,839 --> 00:15:44,959 I want to remind you and urge you to in 281 00:15:44,959 --> 00:15:47,519 tonight's discussions and more 282 00:15:47,519 --> 00:15:49,360 importantly in the future to remove the 283 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:51,519 second phase of Century Avenue South 284 00:15:51,519 --> 00:15:54,320 expansion of your on your plans and in 285 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:57,680 your discussions um in Woodbury's you 286 00:15:57,680 --> 00:15:59,920 know as Eric mentioned uh in Woodberry's 287 00:15:59,920 --> 00:16:02,880 June 24th city council meeting they were 288 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:06,399 unified in and responsive in putting a 289 00:16:06,399 --> 00:16:09,839 dis distinct pause and clause on that 290 00:16:09,839 --> 00:16:12,880 road extension. All debated on the city 291 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:14,720 council and deliberately deliberately 292 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:17,279 called this portion out as not approved 293 00:16:17,279 --> 00:16:19,600 until further deliberation and study for 294 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:23,519 the 2050 plan. This topic resulted in a 295 00:16:23,519 --> 00:16:24,959 lengthy 10-minute discussion of the 296 00:16:24,959 --> 00:16:28,079 Woodbury City Council at that meeting. 297 00:16:28,079 --> 00:16:32,320 Um just one moment. Um there we urged 298 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:35,360 them not to approve the 2040 master plan 299 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:37,360 to include the Century extension pushing 300 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:40,160 through to the road on Century without 301 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:41,680 additional studies. Traffic, noise, 302 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:44,079 pollution, runoff studies were 303 00:16:44,079 --> 00:16:46,480 insufficient, we believe, um and not 304 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:48,399 considering specifics of the area. 305 00:16:48,399 --> 00:16:50,800 Carver Lake is protected water under the 306 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:54,720 Minnesota DNR designation 820166P, 307 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:56,880 I believe, and other factors. we were 308 00:16:56,880 --> 00:16:59,360 successful uh in the removal of that 309 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:02,320 reference. Uh so thank you to the city 310 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:04,400 council for that and I just want to make 311 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:07,280 sure that is uh clearly stated by the 312 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:10,480 community. So re to reiterate we haven't 313 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:12,160 heard a lot of discussion or plan 314 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:14,079 activities in concrete terms probably 315 00:17:14,079 --> 00:17:16,000 because of the timing but of the 316 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:18,240 alternative streets to century avenue 317 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:21,679 south uh the second phase um except on 318 00:17:21,679 --> 00:17:23,679 the city council meeting. So, I urge the 319 00:17:23,679 --> 00:17:25,600 planning commission to continue to more 320 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:27,839 deeply consider these issues in the 321 00:17:27,839 --> 00:17:30,400 future. And if that's the 2050 plan, 322 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:33,360 then that's that's so be it. But, uh, 323 00:17:33,360 --> 00:17:35,360 traffic and noise and safety are an 324 00:17:35,360 --> 00:17:37,120 issue on that street. And anyone who 325 00:17:37,120 --> 00:17:40,559 goes down it would would agree. Um, this 326 00:17:40,559 --> 00:17:42,240 is one of my biggest concerns and a game 327 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:44,480 changer for everyday lives in the area 328 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:47,840 for lake visitors and for residents. all 329 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:49,360 and more importantly protecting the 330 00:17:49,360 --> 00:17:51,200 long-term health of Carver Lake. The 331 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:53,440 pollution, the runoff, erosion, Carver 332 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:55,280 Lake is that in that designated 333 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:58,799 protective water area, traffic pollution 334 00:17:58,799 --> 00:18:01,280 negatively impacts the lake through 335 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:03,280 atmosphere, storm water runoff, 336 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:05,760 shoreline disturbance. Our lake is 337 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:08,000 already vulnerable to blue algae and 338 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:10,559 chlorides. It's a small lake and along 339 00:18:10,559 --> 00:18:13,440 with noise pollution, the atmosphere of 340 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:15,760 the area and the health of our lake can 341 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:18,400 change drastically over time. So, please 342 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:20,799 continue to keep this in mind uh for the 343 00:18:20,799 --> 00:18:22,720 good of the project. Century Avenue 344 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:24,559 South land use and more most 345 00:18:24,559 --> 00:18:27,360 importantly, Carver Lake. Thank you for 346 00:18:27,360 --> 00:18:30,960 your time and consideration. 347 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:33,120 >> Thank you, Ellen. Next, we're going to 348 00:18:33,120 --> 00:18:48,710 hear from Roger Anderson. 349 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:51,120 Good evening. Thanks for the meeting, 350 00:18:51,120 --> 00:18:52,960 letting people know about it. There 351 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:55,919 wasn't a lot of notice 352 00:18:55,919 --> 00:18:58,320 previous. I just got my first notice. 353 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:00,559 Oh, uh 354 00:19:00,559 --> 00:19:02,559 the last meeting they had, I got it in 355 00:19:02,559 --> 00:19:04,400 the mail that day for this meeting was 356 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:05,760 which was what? Friday, Thursday, 357 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:10,640 whatever it was. So, not a lot of uh for 358 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:13,440 notice for the people on the road and I 359 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:15,760 think only a few of us got the letter a 360 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:18,880 few in Woodbury. Me, cuz I border it, 361 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:21,760 first address in Maplewood. 362 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:23,840 So, all the people down around Central 363 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:27,280 Avenue, nobody had any notice or sent 364 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:29,360 any letters. Nobody. Ramsey County 365 00:19:29,360 --> 00:19:32,559 obviously is on deaf ears in Maplewood. 366 00:19:32,559 --> 00:19:34,080 But I haven't seen anybody or heard from 367 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:37,440 anybody in Maplewood showing up to these 368 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:39,440 meetings. They weren't in the ones in 369 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:41,679 Newport and they apparently don't really 370 00:19:41,679 --> 00:19:43,360 care that much about what's going on 371 00:19:43,360 --> 00:19:46,960 with this. But this option of Centure 372 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:50,799 Avenue is they had a planner here at the 373 00:19:50,799 --> 00:19:52,960 meeting. She said it's not a viable 374 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:56,160 thing. It's there's no way to widen the 375 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:58,480 street or put sidewalks. You're right on 376 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:00,640 the lake once you get to the bottom of 377 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:02,160 the hill. 378 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:05,520 going up to the park is a 379 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:09,520 really steep grade and wintertime 380 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:11,679 you may have a truck go down that in the 381 00:20:11,679 --> 00:20:14,080 winter time. They never come back and go 382 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:16,480 try to go up it or down it. There's 383 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:19,919 always cars 384 00:20:19,919 --> 00:20:21,600 stuck there. They abandon them. They 385 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:24,160 leave them in the winter time up against 386 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:25,760 the guardrail. If you don't have 387 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:27,520 four-wheel drive in the winter time, if 388 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:29,760 it's snowing, you're not going up that 389 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:32,799 hill. It's plowed by the county. Mc 390 00:20:32,799 --> 00:20:35,360 Knight, Carver Avenue, and Century. 391 00:20:35,360 --> 00:20:37,919 That's Ramsey County plows that, not 392 00:20:37,919 --> 00:20:41,280 Woodbury and not Maplewood. So, it's the 393 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:44,720 farthest street county property road in 394 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:47,840 Ramsey County. So, the counties in Shore 395 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:49,760 View. Well, what do you think gets 396 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:53,520 plowed last? That stretch. So, it's 397 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:56,400 pretty I've lived there for 26 years, so 398 00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:58,640 I've seen a lot of what's goes on. the 399 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:00,559 kids racing around the lake, which is 400 00:21:00,559 --> 00:21:02,799 pretty dangerous. It's a beautiful road 401 00:21:02,799 --> 00:21:06,720 to drive with a motorcycle or a hot rod 402 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:08,640 or whatever, 403 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:10,640 but it's very dangerous down by the 404 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:14,000 lake. It's super dangerous. 405 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:17,360 There's two really good viable options, 406 00:21:17,360 --> 00:21:20,000 which are northeast corner, which is 407 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:24,720 Jordan Drive, and Carver Park Drive. 408 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:27,440 They go right through your park. Sure, 409 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:28,720 you can run a road right through there 410 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:30,480 and hook up four lanes. You don't have 411 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:32,799 to worry about blind driveways and a 412 00:21:32,799 --> 00:21:35,120 steep hill to go up and down in the 413 00:21:35,120 --> 00:21:37,600 winter time. And obviously, you got the 414 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:39,440 Chamberlain, but there's two more roads 415 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:42,559 up there to the northeast that are 416 00:21:42,559 --> 00:21:45,840 certainly viable. The one Carver Park uh 417 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:47,760 place or drive that comes in, there's a 418 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:49,200 path that goes right underneath the high 419 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:51,679 tension lines and goes into the bark. 420 00:21:51,679 --> 00:21:53,919 There's only two trails there that would 421 00:21:53,919 --> 00:21:56,720 be in affected by it. And that would 422 00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:59,200 come out in that northeast corner. 423 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:03,600 Jordan Drive and Carver Park Drive are 424 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:05,360 right there. And there's nothing in that 425 00:22:05,360 --> 00:22:07,280 side of the park. It's all heavily 426 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:10,080 wooded. Don't think people really care 427 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:12,320 to walk there cuz it's so dense. It's 428 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:15,039 pretty creepy, actually. So, it's a 429 00:22:15,039 --> 00:22:17,679 great area to clear out, open it up a 430 00:22:17,679 --> 00:22:19,760 little bit, put some paths, walking 431 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:22,640 paths and stuff on both sides. put a 432 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:24,240 sight a pedestrian bridge to go 433 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:26,320 underneath the road just like they have 434 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:29,840 for their roundabouts out on Bailey and 435 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:33,200 13 and put a couple vitox through and 436 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:35,600 let the traffic over the top and it will 437 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:38,159 solve your problem. And then on Lake 438 00:22:38,159 --> 00:22:39,760 Road, 439 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:41,600 it's four lanes. Put your stop lights, 440 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:43,600 street light there and stop stop lights 441 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:45,360 there and you have you're not 442 00:22:45,360 --> 00:22:46,720 interfering with any houses because 443 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:48,720 there are no houses there. There's like 444 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:50,720 a 100 foot parcel on either side of the 445 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:53,039 road. There's nothing there except the 446 00:22:53,039 --> 00:22:55,600 path going down into the park. And it's 447 00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:58,000 not heavily. Most people drove to that 448 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:00,320 park. They drive and go into the park. 449 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:03,360 They don't walk to the park. So that's 450 00:23:03,360 --> 00:23:05,200 just me. The concerns with the century 451 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:09,120 is that's crazy. It's just no way you're 452 00:23:09,120 --> 00:23:12,240 running car traffic and semitrs 453 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:14,480 especially. The road's so beautiful 454 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:16,080 because there's no trucks on it other 455 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:18,640 than a garbage truck or somebody doing a 456 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:20,400 construction project. There's no 457 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:22,799 semi-traffic there with trailers. So, 458 00:23:22,799 --> 00:23:25,760 it's it's crazy. It's just easy out 459 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:29,360 because you're only 300 ft from the 460 00:23:29,360 --> 00:23:32,000 property via an easement to get to the 461 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:34,320 road. So, it's a it's an easy out. 462 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:36,320 That's what it is. But, it's super 463 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:38,720 dangerous both ways. You go down the 464 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:41,520 hill, there's a retaining pond. Me and 465 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:45,360 my wife helped. A handicap van slid out, 466 00:23:45,360 --> 00:23:47,840 went over the side and down off to the 467 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:49,360 side almost into the pond. We had to 468 00:23:49,360 --> 00:23:52,240 stop one winter day and help them get 469 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:54,720 him out of the van and wait for uh 470 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:56,400 Maplewood paramedics and stuff to come 471 00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:59,760 to get them. So both ways, super 472 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:01,840 dangerous road in the winter time or 473 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:05,679 even if it's raining hard. So it's uh 474 00:24:05,679 --> 00:24:09,760 not a good option. So, thank you and 475 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:12,559 good luck. Whatever you whatever you 476 00:24:12,559 --> 00:24:16,159 plan, even 2050 still crazy. You don't 477 00:24:16,159 --> 00:24:19,200 have you don't have the room 478 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:21,279 for traffic to around that lake. Just go 479 00:24:21,279 --> 00:24:22,400 up there and drive it in the winter time 480 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:24,960 when it snows 4 in. Go try and drive up 481 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:26,960 that hill when it's snowing and see how 482 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:27,520 you do. 483 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:28,320 >> Thank you, Roger. 484 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:29,760 >> You won't you won't get up there. 485 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:31,840 Thanks. 486 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:33,360 >> We have one more yellow slip from 487 00:24:33,360 --> 00:24:38,149 Janelle Ericson. 488 00:24:38,159 --> 00:24:40,000 Once I turned 40, I needed these reading 489 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,559 glasses. Okay. Um, hi, good evening. My 490 00:24:42,559 --> 00:24:44,720 name is Janelle Ericson and I live on 491 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:47,600 Century Avenue South as well at 1160. 492 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:50,000 Um, I actually I might have Roger Bead. 493 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:52,799 Um, my parents bought that house in 1973 494 00:24:52,799 --> 00:24:56,159 and um I turned around and bought it a 495 00:24:56,159 --> 00:24:58,640 few years ago, so it's been a while. Um, 496 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:00,159 first of all, I'd like to thank you all 497 00:25:00,159 --> 00:25:02,799 for um all the time and effort that's 498 00:25:02,799 --> 00:25:04,880 gone into planning this development. Uh, 499 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:07,039 I understand this is very significant 500 00:25:07,039 --> 00:25:09,279 and I also understand that growth is of 501 00:25:09,279 --> 00:25:11,200 course a part of Woodbury's future. Um, 502 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:12,640 again, when I was a kid, we had Valley 503 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:15,440 Creek Mall and that's it. So, I'm not 504 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:17,520 here tonight to oppose this development, 505 00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:21,039 but I am here to ask you to preserve the 506 00:25:21,039 --> 00:25:22,960 city's flexibility regarding this 507 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:25,200 specific issue and Century Avenue South 508 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:27,600 and that potential extension. So, like 509 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:29,200 Alan mentioned at last week's city 510 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:31,440 council meeting, uh several residents 511 00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:33,520 expressed concerns about using that as a 512 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:35,600 primary connection into the future uh 513 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:37,840 northern development in phase 2. I 514 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:39,919 watched it on YouTube while I was out of 515 00:25:39,919 --> 00:25:42,480 town attending a work conference and I 516 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:44,080 saw that council members were open to 517 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:46,240 exploring alternative access routes. Um 518 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:47,840 and I appreciate the willingness to 519 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:50,159 continue that conversation. And as I 520 00:25:50,159 --> 00:25:51,679 read tonight's packet, one statement 521 00:25:51,679 --> 00:25:53,440 stood out to me. 522 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:55,200 It says that the development of the 523 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:56,720 northernmost residential area will not 524 00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:59,039 occur until, as Eric said, until further 525 00:25:59,039 --> 00:26:01,200 review as part of the 2050 comprehensive 526 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:03,039 plan process. 527 00:26:03,039 --> 00:26:04,960 And so, if that area is already being 528 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:07,440 deferred for future planning, I 529 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:10,159 respectfully ask, why do we want to just 530 00:26:10,159 --> 00:26:12,880 keep it on the map anyway? So, since the 531 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:15,120 city council has already expressed uh an 532 00:26:15,120 --> 00:26:16,720 interest in exploring alternatives, I'm 533 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:18,880 just asking that this plan leave room 534 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:22,720 for that conversation to continue. Um I 535 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,120 and my neighbors are concerned that once 536 00:26:25,120 --> 00:26:29,840 a roadway appears on this um uh and in 537 00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:32,000 an approved preliminary preliminary 538 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:35,120 plat, it becomes much more difficult to 539 00:26:35,120 --> 00:26:38,640 consider alternatives later. 540 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:40,960 So you know, I'm not asking you to 541 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:42,400 decide where the road should go tonight. 542 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:44,480 I'm just asking you not to decide that 543 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:47,279 it has to go there. So please remove 544 00:26:47,279 --> 00:26:49,279 your dotted line. I can't tell if it is 545 00:26:49,279 --> 00:26:52,159 or not because of my terrible eyes, but 546 00:26:52,159 --> 00:26:54,960 um respectfully um you know, please 547 00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:56,480 remove that potential Century Avenue 548 00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:59,039 extension from the preliminary plat or 549 00:26:59,039 --> 00:27:01,120 make any future extension contingent 550 00:27:01,120 --> 00:27:03,360 upon a comprehensive transportation 551 00:27:03,360 --> 00:27:05,760 alternatives analysis as part of that 552 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:08,960 plan process in 20 for 2050. Um, I 553 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:10,480 believe that approach supports both 554 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:12,720 responsible growth and good planning 555 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:14,880 like you guys are all so thoughtful 556 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:18,000 about um, in the city of Woodbury 557 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:19,520 and it allows this development to move 558 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:20,880 forward while preserving the city's 559 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:22,240 ability to make the best long-term 560 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:24,000 decision for everyone. And I hope you 561 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:25,679 all stayed cool today. Carver Lake Beach 562 00:27:25,679 --> 00:27:29,039 was very crowded and um, yeah, maybe 563 00:27:29,039 --> 00:27:31,200 some of you went swimming. So, go enjoy 564 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:32,960 the park and thank you for your time and 565 00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:35,760 consideration. 566 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:40,880 >> No, you receive any Any online? 567 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:43,279 >> Forgot the button. Did we receive any 568 00:27:43,279 --> 00:27:45,120 online comments? 569 00:27:45,120 --> 00:27:46,400 >> Not at this time, chair. 570 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,440 >> All right, let's open it up to 571 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:51,919 commissioner comments. And I didn't get 572 00:27:51,919 --> 00:27:53,919 a chance to ask before the meeting, but 573 00:27:53,919 --> 00:27:55,520 our student commissioners are often at 574 00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:57,600 the end. Would you like to go first 575 00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:03,430 today? 576 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:06,640 » Be bold. 577 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:10,880 >> All right. Commissioner Hole, go for it. 578 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:14,480 >> Well, okay. So, looking through 579 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:17,760 the plan, what is the expected timeline 580 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:22,870 for each phase of the development? 581 00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,120 » Yeah, generally speaking, we do not have 582 00:28:25,120 --> 00:28:26,960 timelines for the development 583 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:30,480 activities. Uh we do do not have any uh 584 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:33,520 active development applications in right 585 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:37,120 now. Uh we are beginning conversations 586 00:28:37,120 --> 00:28:44,230 with me bring up a different plan here. 587 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:46,720 Uh with some of the multifamily 588 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:49,360 developers to the north on this area. So 589 00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:51,360 that could begin development as soon as 590 00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:54,720 2027. So next year there was also some 591 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,120 initial conversations on some of the 592 00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:59,679 multifamily apartment you users. So 593 00:28:59,679 --> 00:29:02,399 again that could be 27. The retail has 594 00:29:02,399 --> 00:29:05,039 been uh to the market for some time and 595 00:29:05,039 --> 00:29:07,360 again that could also so from a 596 00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:10,320 expectation side we would expect pending 597 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:12,559 approval by the planning commission and 598 00:29:12,559 --> 00:29:15,360 city council that land disturbance 599 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:18,960 grading activities uh sewer and water 600 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:22,000 activities could occur this summer but 601 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,159 development work would anything going 602 00:29:24,159 --> 00:29:26,080 vertical would likely the earliest would 603 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:30,070 be 2027. 604 00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:33,679 » Okay. I have no further questions. 605 00:29:33,679 --> 00:29:36,720 >> Thank you, Commissioner Parnell. 606 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,760 >> I also just have one question. Um, as 607 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:43,279 the future retail area develops, um, is 608 00:29:43,279 --> 00:29:45,200 the city looking for businesses that 609 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:46,880 primarily serve like the surrounding 610 00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:49,200 neighborhood or is the goal to attract 611 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:50,880 businesses that bring people from 612 00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:53,600 outside the area as well? 613 00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:55,600 >> I think what uh the ultimate goal and 614 00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:57,120 what likely the market will provide are 615 00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:59,760 the same. And so based on kind of where 616 00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:01,600 this is in the community, it's likely to 617 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,000 be a service retail center. So more 618 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:07,760 serving the local area, the residential 619 00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:10,399 property both to the north and the south 620 00:30:10,399 --> 00:30:12,399 um within the southern portion of 621 00:30:12,399 --> 00:30:14,240 Woodbury and also those that are 622 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:16,240 utilizing the Bailey Road corridor are 623 00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:19,760 the likely um users of this retail area. 624 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:23,440 >> Okay. Yeah. No further questions. 625 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:24,799 >> All right. Thank you. We're going to go 626 00:30:24,799 --> 00:30:27,120 this way this time. Commissioner C. 627 00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:29,039 Brooks. 628 00:30:29,039 --> 00:30:30,720 >> Thank you, Chair. Um, I'll make it easy 629 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:32,080 today. I feel like a lot of my questions 630 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:33,679 were actually answered at our last 631 00:30:33,679 --> 00:30:35,360 meeting, um, when we discussed this 632 00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:36,880 plan. Um, so I actually have no 633 00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:38,880 questions at this time. 634 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:42,080 >> Easy enough. Commissioner Shaw. 635 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:44,640 >> Thank you, Chair. Um, 636 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:46,480 uh, a lot of questions were answered 637 00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:48,320 last time, but there was some new things 638 00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:51,279 that I actually saw in here, and so I'm 639 00:30:51,279 --> 00:30:57,360 going to ask with respect to that. So, first question I actually had is um 640 00:30:57,360 --> 00:30:59,760 you know if you can put up the existing 641 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:01,600 zoning versus proposed zoning the 642 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:04,159 sideway there we go. Uh so my first 643 00:31:04,159 --> 00:31:08,320 question was the the the part which is 644 00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:11,200 that low density housing you know uh 645 00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:16,720 outlot D u u portion why is it actually 646 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:20,640 being asked for being designated as BCD? 647 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,039 So all lot B is not being proposed to be 648 00:31:23,039 --> 00:31:25,200 reszoned at this time. It continues to 649 00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:27,760 be the same zoning as it currently is. 650 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:29,760 And business campus district would be 651 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:31,679 the appropriate places to work land use 652 00:31:31,679 --> 00:31:35,679 for the intended light industrial um uh 653 00:31:35,679 --> 00:31:37,360 building projects that uh are 654 00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:39,840 contemplated within the master plan. 655 00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:41,679 >> The reason I ask is because then if you 656 00:31:41,679 --> 00:31:44,320 look at right below that at least in the 657 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:46,880 printed page that we got the outlaw D 658 00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:49,679 calls out as future residential. 659 00:31:49,679 --> 00:31:52,080 So is that you know just asking if 660 00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:56,159 that's conflict uh you know because you 661 00:31:56,159 --> 00:31:57,840 outlaw D is called out as future 662 00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:01,440 residential but then it shows up as BCD. 663 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:04,559 Yeah, outlaw D will within the master 664 00:32:04,559 --> 00:32:07,600 plan is identified to be recommended to 665 00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,640 be residential, but at this time we are 666 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:14,640 not recommending to change the 667 00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,519 um zoning of the future residential area 668 00:32:17,519 --> 00:32:19,760 until after the 2050 comprehensive plan 669 00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:21,600 process. So the sequencing would be the 670 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:23,279 land use would be reviewed as part of 671 00:32:23,279 --> 00:32:25,120 the 2050 plan and then zoning would 672 00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:26,640 change from business campus district 673 00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:29,360 likely to R4 after that process is 674 00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:31,840 complete. So the proposed use is 675 00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:33,840 something to be kind of for the future 676 00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:36,320 and we are just talking about the the 677 00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:38,559 designation of zoning at this point. 678 00:32:38,559 --> 00:32:39,360 >> That's correct. 679 00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:44,159 >> Okay. Thank you. Um did have a question 680 00:32:44,159 --> 00:32:47,039 somewhat related to that is you know you 681 00:32:47,039 --> 00:32:49,679 have uh in the preliminary plat 682 00:32:49,679 --> 00:32:53,039 paragraph um you're talking about um 683 00:32:53,039 --> 00:32:55,440 that there will be a regional storm 684 00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:57,360 water pond will be constructed by the 685 00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:59,120 developer but it will be owned and 686 00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:01,600 operated by the city in some of the 687 00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:04,640 other you know pieces that we have 688 00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:07,360 reviewed before that's kind of similar 689 00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:10,399 to to what we have reviewed before uh 690 00:33:10,399 --> 00:33:13,440 except One thing I thought was maybe 691 00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:15,919 missing maybe not or implied here is 692 00:33:15,919 --> 00:33:18,240 it's not just operated by the city and 693 00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:19,919 it's actually constructed by the 694 00:33:19,919 --> 00:33:21,840 developer but there would be something 695 00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:23,679 that the developer actually pays for a 696 00:33:23,679 --> 00:33:25,519 certain number of years right for the 697 00:33:25,519 --> 00:33:28,080 city to actually do the the operation or 698 00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:30,000 the maintenance. 699 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:31,919 Generally speaking, the only area where 700 00:33:31,919 --> 00:33:33,919 the developer will have a longer term 701 00:33:33,919 --> 00:33:36,960 commitment is on vegetation management. 702 00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:38,880 And we have not gotten to that point 703 00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:40,399 within our discussions with the 704 00:33:40,399 --> 00:33:42,559 developer on whether we will accept the 705 00:33:42,559 --> 00:33:44,960 pond after that work has been completed 706 00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:46,559 or whether it'll get turned over the 707 00:33:46,559 --> 00:33:48,720 city with some level of financial 708 00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:50,799 contributions to complete that work 709 00:33:50,799 --> 00:33:52,480 >> because you don't have a developer yet. 710 00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:53,519 Is that the point? 711 00:33:53,519 --> 00:33:55,279 >> We do have a developer. We just have not 712 00:33:55,279 --> 00:33:57,039 proceeded to those conversations yet. 713 00:33:57,039 --> 00:33:58,559 But there are there are two solutions 714 00:33:58,559 --> 00:34:00,640 that we've successfully utilized on a 715 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:02,799 number of developments. Again, whether 716 00:34:02,799 --> 00:34:06,000 it's the contribution for future uh 717 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:10,320 establishment of the the turf around the 718 00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:13,119 ponding area or the other alternative is 719 00:34:13,119 --> 00:34:15,040 that it's not deed until that's uh 720 00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:17,839 satisfactory to the city. 721 00:34:17,839 --> 00:34:22,000 >> Okay. Thank you. And um one more 722 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:27,359 question is uh when you go to the um uh 723 00:34:27,359 --> 00:34:32,240 the access points um right that one um 724 00:34:32,240 --> 00:34:34,399 you know one of the questions I had is 725 00:34:34,399 --> 00:34:36,480 uh you said that there was a traffic 726 00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:39,440 study done by the city and and there 727 00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:41,119 would be some kind of intersection 728 00:34:41,119 --> 00:34:43,520 planned between you know that point B 729 00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:46,720 which is the Century Avenue and Bailey. 730 00:34:46,720 --> 00:34:50,399 Um you know I think the there is already 731 00:34:50,399 --> 00:34:52,960 a signal light intersection which is you 732 00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:55,839 know Bailey and Military 733 00:34:55,839 --> 00:34:59,760 right so so has as part of the traffic 734 00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:02,079 study uh was it actually assessed as in 735 00:35:02,079 --> 00:35:05,280 the distance between the two? Um, okay. 736 00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:07,359 >> Yeah, absolutely. Washington County, uh, 737 00:35:07,359 --> 00:35:10,720 is very involved in the planning and one 738 00:35:10,720 --> 00:35:13,200 of their main areas of involvement, it 739 00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:16,000 relates to access management for all of 740 00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,960 the existing and planned intersections 741 00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:21,680 along their corridor. So, the accents, 742 00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:24,320 both access point A and B meet the 743 00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:26,960 county's access um, management 744 00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:28,079 guidelines 745 00:35:28,079 --> 00:35:30,160 >> because the the military would be it's 746 00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:32,560 actually essentially, you know, west of 747 00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:36,079 A. Correct. Okay. 748 00:35:36,079 --> 00:35:37,680 All right. That's that's all I had. 749 00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:39,599 Chair. 750 00:35:39,599 --> 00:35:40,079 >> Thank you, 751 00:35:40,079 --> 00:35:41,280 >> Commissioner Kennedy. 752 00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:44,640 >> Thank you, Chair. Um, Commissioner Shaw 753 00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:46,320 took several of my questions. Appreciate 754 00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:49,280 that. Um, 755 00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:52,160 that's all right. Um, one thing is clear 756 00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:53,839 with all this work, your team doesn't 757 00:35:53,839 --> 00:35:55,839 sleep much, do they? 758 00:35:55,839 --> 00:36:02,800 Um this uh on page 35 of the larger um 759 00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:06,720 packet that we got um this may be in the 760 00:36:06,720 --> 00:36:09,680 same vein and maybe have already been 761 00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:12,560 discussed the intersection there with 762 00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:16,880 century and um 763 00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:19,119 on the on the legend at the lower left 764 00:36:19,119 --> 00:36:21,119 talks about a three-leg intersection a 765 00:36:21,119 --> 00:36:24,240 four-le intersection and is that it's a 766 00:36:24,240 --> 00:36:28,160 simple question and uh um just wondered 767 00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:29,680 here it looks like there's only going to 768 00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:31,599 be a three-legg intersection which I'm 769 00:36:31,599 --> 00:36:34,000 sure is enough. Is there it was this 770 00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:35,760 legend just explaining it wasn't 771 00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:37,520 projecting was it at all? 772 00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:39,040 >> Yeah, it's just identifying what the 773 00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:40,560 environment is. The the reason it's a 774 00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:42,240 three-legged intersection is it's not 775 00:36:42,240 --> 00:36:44,000 currently identified that Century will 776 00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:45,760 be extended to the south within that 777 00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:47,280 location. So that makes that 778 00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:49,040 three-legged for the intersection of 779 00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:50,800 Century and and Bailey Road. 780 00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:52,400 >> And that's that's actually what it is 781 00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:53,200 now. Kind of 782 00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:53,680 >> that's correct. 783 00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:56,240 >> Good. on page 36 about the retaining 784 00:36:56,240 --> 00:36:58,160 walls and erosion. It looked quite hilly 785 00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:00,320 of course with all the pond areas and 786 00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:02,960 then there are some hills there. Um the 787 00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:06,320 retaining walls and and erosion. Just a 788 00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:09,359 quick question about that. It's um um I 789 00:37:09,359 --> 00:37:12,640 think in any of the projects that we 790 00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:17,599 um engage in Woodbury, it's an ongoing 791 00:37:17,599 --> 00:37:24,400 u tracking of that erosion. um is that 792 00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:26,000 there's some work that needs to be done 793 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,000 before any of the development happens 794 00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,240 and I know that's going to be starting 795 00:37:30,240 --> 00:37:33,839 soon by each of the three um cities 796 00:37:33,839 --> 00:37:36,320 involved in in their own area. That is 797 00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:37,520 that right Eric? 798 00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:39,680 >> Yeah. The the first step of the 799 00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:41,520 development process will be the issuance 800 00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:43,200 of a land disturbance permit. The land 801 00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:46,160 disturbance permit governs the erosion 802 00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:48,800 and sediment control requirements. We as 803 00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:51,520 a city we have uh conditions within that 804 00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:53,520 permit. We also collect security to 805 00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:56,960 ensure that there is not erosion. We as 806 00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:59,839 a also collect a security for on-site 807 00:37:59,839 --> 00:38:01,440 inspections to occur. So there are 808 00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:03,359 regular inspections of the site to 809 00:38:03,359 --> 00:38:04,800 ensure compliance throughout the 810 00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:06,079 duration of construction. 811 00:38:06,079 --> 00:38:09,359 >> And does each city do that for their own 812 00:38:09,359 --> 00:38:10,000 portion? 813 00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:10,880 >> That is correct. 814 00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:12,880 >> Okay. All right. I I figured that but I 815 00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:14,720 was I just wasn't sure. Is there an 816 00:38:14,720 --> 00:38:18,400 overall project manager or each city has 817 00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:20,079 their own project manager? 818 00:38:20,079 --> 00:38:21,599 >> Each city will have their own project 819 00:38:21,599 --> 00:38:24,560 manager, but as um it's certainly been a 820 00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:26,480 collaborative effort with all of the 821 00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:28,800 different members from each city and and 822 00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:30,480 we'll continue to have those dialogue. 823 00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:33,839 will there is an overall 824 00:38:33,839 --> 00:38:35,599 uh construction team from the private 825 00:38:35,599 --> 00:38:38,000 development side that city staff will be 826 00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:39,599 working closely with and we've been 827 00:38:39,599 --> 00:38:42,160 having joint calls for several months 828 00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:44,000 together and I would anticipate that to 829 00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:45,599 continue as we get into the construction 830 00:38:45,599 --> 00:38:46,240 phase. 831 00:38:46,240 --> 00:38:48,240 >> That's frankly to me the most exciting 832 00:38:48,240 --> 00:38:50,079 part about this is that the the 833 00:38:50,079 --> 00:38:52,880 collaboration of the three cities and I 834 00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:57,200 think that's terrific. on page 53 835 00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:00,880 of the about New Life Ponds and some of 836 00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:03,359 the different things that New Life is 837 00:39:03,359 --> 00:39:07,920 going to be doing. Um on page 53 talks 838 00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:17,520 about the new life pond. Um is that coming or going? Is that a new pond there? I know that some of the 839 00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:20,160 ponds are being eliminated and some are 840 00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:22,480 being is it Eric? Is it that some are 841 00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:24,560 being engaged or started? 842 00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:26,400 >> Yeah, there's additional ponding, both 843 00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:28,240 infiltration and quantity ponding that's 844 00:39:28,240 --> 00:39:30,400 proposed to be constructed on the 845 00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:32,000 screen. It's highlighted within this 846 00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:34,160 blue circle and that 847 00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:37,520 >> it's actually not on the screen. 848 00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:41,109 >> You got 849 00:39:41,119 --> 00:39:49,750 Okay. Um, can the cable caster? 850 00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:54,000 » No, there's two people in there. 851 00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:55,920 We're having technical difficulties with 852 00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:57,839 the audio on the virtual meeting. So, 853 00:39:57,839 --> 00:40:06,230 that's why 854 00:40:06,240 --> 00:40:17,510 hopefully we're moving that way. 855 00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:20,560 Is a cablecaster able to show the 856 00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:26,470 desktop? 857 00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:27,760 I can do this from the planning 858 00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:30,240 commission report while we weigh. 859 00:40:30,240 --> 00:40:31,280 >> I lost. 860 00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:32,960 >> Fair enough. I can go into the planning 861 00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:34,560 commission staff report and the same 862 00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:37,119 graphics are within that document. So, 863 00:40:37,119 --> 00:40:39,680 if you go into page five of the planning 864 00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:41,680 commission staff report within that 865 00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:43,599 storm water management paragraph, the 866 00:40:43,599 --> 00:40:46,960 ponding area on the right side, the 867 00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:49,359 smaller basin just south of the existing 868 00:40:49,359 --> 00:40:56,309 buildings is proposed to be new. 869 00:40:56,319 --> 00:41:01,280 » Okay. And that's it. It's not just um 870 00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:04,400 for looks. This is for this is a um 871 00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:06,480 actually facility in the area. 872 00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:09,280 >> That is correct. This would be um a 873 00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:11,920 little in advance of future improvements 874 00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:14,480 that the new life is working on right 875 00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:17,040 now. Um they're not to the position or 876 00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:18,240 point where they made enough site 877 00:41:18,240 --> 00:41:19,520 decisions, but there's a lot of 878 00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:21,040 efficiencies that can be gained by 879 00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:23,359 constructing those now as part of 880 00:41:23,359 --> 00:41:25,040 there'll be a lot of site activity just 881 00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:26,480 happening to the west. So cording 882 00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:28,400 coordinating those a e efforts together 883 00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:30,560 is a very effective approach. 884 00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:32,400 >> Okay. All right. Good. That's all I 885 00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:34,000 have. Sher. 886 00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:35,680 >> All right. Thank you, Commissioner 887 00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:38,240 Guzzk. 888 00:41:38,240 --> 00:41:41,440 >> Thank you, Chair. Um had a couple 889 00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:43,920 questions on um like condition recommend 890 00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:45,520 on your recommendation letters. Uh 891 00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:48,240 condition one, it references the PUD and 892 00:41:48,240 --> 00:41:50,319 CUP approval. Does that does that mean 893 00:41:50,319 --> 00:41:55,040 there for sure will be a PUB and and CUP 894 00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:58,000 for these future parcels or what is 895 00:41:58,000 --> 00:41:59,680 >> Yeah, it it is likely that there'll be a 896 00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:01,280 plan unit development in a future CUP 897 00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:02,319 and that's just putting in reference 898 00:42:02,319 --> 00:42:03,520 that as those come they'll have a 899 00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:05,280 one-year expire expiration. 900 00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:12,630 >> Got it. Okay. Um 901 00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:14,160 yeah, same thing with like condition 902 00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:16,960 eight. We reference odor suppression 903 00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:18,640 equipment for all restaurant uses. Is 904 00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:21,440 that kind of just the in case future 905 00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:23,680 >> Exactly. early indication as they're out 906 00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:26,079 to market in advance of approvals. This 907 00:42:26,079 --> 00:42:27,440 is the first approval and we want to 908 00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:28,800 make sure with any future purchase 909 00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:30,640 agreements or other that it's clearly 910 00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:31,440 listed. 911 00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:35,040 >> Okay. Um and my other question was so 912 00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:36,880 we're 913 00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:40,000 it's noted as mixed use in the land use 914 00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:44,000 map is noted as mixed use. Why you can 915 00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:46,079 explain a little bit why we aren't just 916 00:42:46,079 --> 00:42:50,000 designating it mixeduse zoning as well. 917 00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,560 >> The mixeduse zoning allows for both 918 00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:54,960 commercial and residential. So from a 919 00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:57,119 zoning standpoint because the master 920 00:42:57,119 --> 00:42:59,680 plan identifies the area in yellow as a 921 00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:01,359 residential project. We wanted to be 922 00:43:01,359 --> 00:43:03,680 consistent with the master plan. So the 923 00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:06,960 R4 designation delivers a multifamily 924 00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:09,440 project. The B3 925 00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:11,040 delivers that retail that's identified 926 00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:13,119 within the adopted master plan. 927 00:43:13,119 --> 00:43:13,839 >> Okay. 928 00:43:13,839 --> 00:43:15,760 >> They're more specific. 929 00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:18,800 >> Got it. Um 930 00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:20,720 I guess my other question was so I was 931 00:43:20,720 --> 00:43:22,240 digging through the city ordinances and 932 00:43:22,240 --> 00:43:24,319 I don't know if this is just a if it's 933 00:43:24,319 --> 00:43:26,079 an issue or not, but I noticed that the 934 00:43:26,079 --> 00:43:27,839 B3 935 00:43:27,839 --> 00:43:32,560 zoning requires um a 20 acre parcel 936 00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:35,200 and I believe this outlot is proposed to 937 00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:37,520 be 15 acres. So is that an issue at all 938 00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:38,400 with 939 00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:39,359 >> part ordinances 940 00:43:39,359 --> 00:43:41,040 >> as part of the future? This is being 941 00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:42,480 platted as an outlaw. As part of the 942 00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:43,920 future platting, there will likely be 943 00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:45,200 some things through the planned unit 944 00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:47,119 development process to address the 945 00:43:47,119 --> 00:43:49,040 overall size of the projects. 946 00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:52,640 >> Okay. Um and then with Washington County 947 00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:55,440 in particular, since we are kind of 948 00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:57,599 setting it up for them to take over if 949 00:43:57,599 --> 00:43:59,760 it does eventually connect, I noticed 950 00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:01,119 we're also putting a bunch of city 951 00:44:01,119 --> 00:44:05,040 utilities down. the potential extension. 952 00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:07,359 Has the county 953 00:44:07,359 --> 00:44:09,920 commented at all about the city 954 00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:11,920 utilities within their potential future 955 00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:13,280 right away? 956 00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:14,880 >> We have certainly been in close contact 957 00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:16,880 with Washington County is throughout the 958 00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:19,200 design of this project including the 959 00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:20,800 location of where the utilities would be 960 00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:22,960 within the public right of way. Um they 961 00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:25,680 also have full plat review. So they have 962 00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:27,920 the ability to review the plan sets uh 963 00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:29,760 and make comments as well. 964 00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:33,920 >> Okay. And then similarly on the the 965 00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:36,720 private road at the first intersection 966 00:44:36,720 --> 00:44:39,359 come off a century. So it' be between 967 00:44:39,359 --> 00:44:40,720 the it would be north of the future 968 00:44:40,720 --> 00:44:44,319 retail and south of the school 969 00:44:44,319 --> 00:44:47,040 expansion. See that? Sorry. I 970 00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:49,040 >> Well, I guess the question is has there 971 00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:50,640 been a discussion of that being a public 972 00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:52,800 road versus a pilot road? There's also a 973 00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:53,760 city utilities I believe. 974 00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:55,200 >> Yeah, I will go back into the planning 975 00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:57,280 commission staff report for visibility. 976 00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:00,640 So this page five uh the access point 977 00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:03,119 graphic um the commissioner is asking 978 00:45:03,119 --> 00:45:05,440 regarding access point C and the roadway 979 00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:07,760 that connects back to the west toward 980 00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:09,280 Century. 981 00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:11,280 Uh we did evaluate whether that should 982 00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:13,760 be a public or private. But when we 983 00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:16,640 looked at the the ability where the 984 00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:18,960 letter C is located, if that were a 985 00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:20,400 public street, we would need to install 986 00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:22,800 a culde-sac in that location for the 987 00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:24,880 snowplow services to turn around. and 988 00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:26,720 that took a significant amount of land 989 00:45:26,720 --> 00:45:29,280 area versus the ability for a private 990 00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:31,440 street to connect directly into the 991 00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:33,680 basically the parking area of New Life. 992 00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:35,359 They can then work together as private 993 00:45:35,359 --> 00:45:38,560 entities to conduct snow removal. So in 994 00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:40,240 order to conduct public activities 995 00:45:40,240 --> 00:45:43,760 there, it was a significant amount of 996 00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:45,760 additional land within that area. The 997 00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:47,359 second area is there's more right ofway 998 00:45:47,359 --> 00:45:49,040 that's necessary and then the setbacks 999 00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:50,960 are calculated off of that right ofway 1000 00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:53,359 as well. So it had a pretty significant 1001 00:45:53,359 --> 00:45:55,359 impact on the developability by moving 1002 00:45:55,359 --> 00:45:57,599 that to a public street versus private. 1003 00:45:57,599 --> 00:46:02,000 >> Okay. Um and then the 1004 00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:06,319 intersection at Sentry and Bailey 1005 00:46:06,319 --> 00:46:09,280 um did the study since the traffic 1006 00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:12,240 signals warranted was there discussion 1007 00:46:12,240 --> 00:46:15,440 about a roundabout instead of a traffic 1008 00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:18,319 signal? Yeah, there was uh and will 1009 00:46:18,319 --> 00:46:21,359 continue to have review of the ultimate 1010 00:46:21,359 --> 00:46:22,800 intersection control and that's 1011 00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:24,560 ultimately a Washington County decision, 1012 00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:26,800 but the initial evaluation identified 1013 00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:28,960 that the best operational because of 1014 00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:30,560 some of the land uses in the area as 1015 00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:34,319 well as the adjacent uh signalized 1016 00:46:34,319 --> 00:46:36,800 intersection uh improvements at military 1017 00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:39,599 etc. that it is likely highly likely to 1018 00:46:39,599 --> 00:46:41,440 be a signalized intersection versus a 1019 00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:42,400 roundabout. 1020 00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:46,240 >> Okay. Um, I bring it up too for a 1021 00:46:46,240 --> 00:46:47,920 thought as well since I believe we're 1022 00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:49,680 making the city's making improvements to 1023 00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:52,560 La Lake Park in the future. And so I'd 1024 00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:54,000 imagine anybody living here might also 1025 00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:57,119 want to cross Bailey and I I feel like a 1026 00:46:57,119 --> 00:47:00,560 roundabout would be a more safer 1027 00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:03,280 intersection control option. But that's 1028 00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:08,790 just my two cents on that one. Um 1029 00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:12,390 and 1030 00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:15,440 uh no further questions. Chair, 1031 00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:18,960 >> thank you. Commissioner Jen Teal. Sorry. 1032 00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:19,839 >> Thank you, Chair. 1033 00:47:19,839 --> 00:47:21,760 >> Almost had to talk twice. 1034 00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:23,760 >> Eric Stang on page five of the staff 1035 00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:26,880 report uh going into the access points. 1036 00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:29,680 Uh point B uh interested in the 1037 00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:31,920 opportunity as we compete with the city 1038 00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:34,880 of Newport adding in a area for the 1039 00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:37,200 welcome to Woodberry signage and 1040 00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:39,839 incorporating that as a main artery to 1041 00:47:39,839 --> 00:47:42,240 MSP going to and from would like to 1042 00:47:42,240 --> 00:47:44,480 maybe beat the city of Newport to a sign 1043 00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:47,520 being allocated in that area um as we 1044 00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:51,280 work on the the plan for Century. 1045 00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:52,880 I think that whether that's a part of 1046 00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:55,359 the monumentation 1047 00:47:55,359 --> 00:47:57,119 as part of the retail area or something 1048 00:47:57,119 --> 00:47:58,480 in that area, I think that does make 1049 00:47:58,480 --> 00:47:58,880 sense. 1050 00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:01,680 >> Perfect. Uh going to then page seven of 1051 00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:04,400 the staff reports, item 20, traffic 1052 00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:06,800 signal. Just wanted to kind of confirm 1053 00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:10,480 the city's definition of city cameras 1054 00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:12,880 and if we need to allocate or include 1055 00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:14,800 cameras to that location, you know, as 1056 00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:17,760 we look at the phasing and or is it by 1057 00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:20,079 the approved city engineer covers covers 1058 00:48:20,079 --> 00:48:22,000 that? Yeah, I would say that the last 1059 00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:23,760 sentence covers it within condition 20. 1060 00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:26,319 >> Perfect. And then uh sticking with that 1061 00:48:26,319 --> 00:48:29,520 and then the traffic study for uh access 1062 00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:32,160 point B. Um being that we take the brunt 1063 00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:35,040 of the master plan, are we able to 1064 00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:38,400 negotiate with Washington County a any 1065 00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:40,480 timing goals between Bailey and Military 1066 00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:43,200 and Bailey and Century to help with peak 1067 00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:46,000 periods with the school? Yeah, I think I 1068 00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:47,280 mean I think Washington County this will 1069 00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:48,880 be privately constructed so there'll be 1070 00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:52,000 some ability to to work with some 1071 00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:54,160 improvements at least at the signalized 1072 00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:56,160 side. Future upgrades to Washington 1073 00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:58,559 County are you know the the one of the 1074 00:48:58,559 --> 00:49:00,319 first questions from the commission 1075 00:49:00,319 --> 00:49:01,839 tonight was what's the timing and the 1076 00:49:01,839 --> 00:49:03,520 timing is not known yet. So that's one 1077 00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:04,960 of the challenges that Washington County 1078 00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:08,480 has is they want to be responsive to the 1079 00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:10,960 future demand but not build earlier than 1080 00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:14,079 necessary. So those conversations will 1081 00:49:14,079 --> 00:49:17,760 continue as we get more information that 1082 00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:19,200 development applications are moving 1083 00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:20,400 forward. We'll be in direct 1084 00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:22,000 communication with Washington County so 1085 00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:24,000 that they can begin their um ultimate 1086 00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:25,760 planning work on those gaps. 1087 00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:27,839 >> Perfect. Thank you, Chair. Thank you. 1088 00:49:27,839 --> 00:49:31,280 Chair, no further questions. 1089 00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:33,680 >> All right. Well, I've only have one 1090 00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:35,040 question comment that hasn't been 1091 00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:37,599 addressed by other commissioners. Can we 1092 00:49:37,599 --> 00:49:40,160 talk about the dotted line and why it is 1093 00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:42,319 still in the plan? Could it be possible 1094 00:49:42,319 --> 00:49:44,960 to maybe just have a few little dots 1095 00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:47,520 within a little asterisk saying the 1096 00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:50,400 terminus of this extension to be 1097 00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:51,839 determined? 1098 00:49:51,839 --> 00:49:53,280 >> Yeah, I I mean I think right now the 1099 00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:57,440 terminus is uh back on page five, it is 1100 00:49:57,440 --> 00:49:59,520 identified under that access point D. So 1101 00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:00,880 we we were trying to be pretty 1102 00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:02,880 transparent about where it where it does 1103 00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:05,040 end. And then also when you pair that 1104 00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:08,400 with the language within access point E 1105 00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:10,559 about that 2050 that's consistent with 1106 00:50:10,559 --> 00:50:12,559 the master plan and the master plan will 1107 00:50:12,559 --> 00:50:16,079 have those dotted area areas. We could 1108 00:50:16,079 --> 00:50:18,880 certainly graphically show that further. 1109 00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:21,760 Again the master plan will show a very 1110 00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:24,480 um deliberate dashed line that just says 1111 00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:26,960 for study as part of the 20150. What I 1112 00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:29,839 actually meant was not point D but um 1113 00:50:29,839 --> 00:50:33,440 the extension part of E where what I was 1114 00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:35,359 imagining 1115 00:50:35,359 --> 00:50:39,040 if you will. Okay, there's a D 1116 00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:41,760 and then you just go dot dot dot dot 1117 00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:43,440 with an asterric there. So it doesn't 1118 00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:45,280 actually connect up to century 1119 00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:48,559 graphically, but it could if that's what 1120 00:50:48,559 --> 00:50:51,680 ends up happening in 2050 for the 2050 1121 00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:53,520 comp plan. 1122 00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:56,000 I mean from a technical plat standpoint 1123 00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:58,559 it actually ends here. So it's not 1124 00:50:58,559 --> 00:50:59,839 connecting actually to 1125 00:50:59,839 --> 00:51:00,880 >> I'm sorry I can't see what you're 1126 00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:01,280 saying. 1127 00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:06,960 >> Uh sorry habit. Um let's go to a 1128 00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:11,359 >> so on back to page five. 1129 00:51:11,359 --> 00:51:12,960 >> It ends at the property line. There's a 1130 00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:16,319 gap between those areas that sentry that 1131 00:51:16,319 --> 00:51:18,480 would have to occur. So this is really 1132 00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:20,079 just showing where it ends at the 1133 00:51:20,079 --> 00:51:21,920 planet. It's not showing all the way. 1134 00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:23,920 that would be done under there have to 1135 00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:25,520 be property acquisition there have to be 1136 00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:26,960 other things that occur. So that's not a 1137 00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:31,440 d as part of what's shown in exhibit 1138 00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:33,520 on page five on the access point 1139 00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:36,480 exhibit. It does not connect with 1140 00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:41,190 existing Century Avenue. 1141 00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:43,280 » Have has the city explored yet 1142 00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:47,839 connecting point D to point F going to 1143 00:51:47,839 --> 00:51:50,480 the east and the north? 1144 00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:53,520 We we have not evaluated uh any 1145 00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:55,760 alternatives that would be the work task 1146 00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:58,319 as part of the 2050 plan. 1147 00:51:58,319 --> 00:52:02,559 >> That's kind of my point though because 1148 00:52:02,559 --> 00:52:04,880 this is so unofficial. I'm sorry but we 1149 00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:08,800 have the road going from Bailey up to 1150 00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:13,280 the point D. And I understand their the 1151 00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:16,160 commenters's points about it looks like 1152 00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:18,160 it's going to connect a century. And if 1153 00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:20,640 we are thinking about considering other 1154 00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:23,839 alternatives, what if we don't have this 1155 00:52:23,839 --> 00:52:26,640 little swoop here where the E is and we 1156 00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:30,800 just have a an extension at D and then 1157 00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:32,880 we don't necessarily know if it's going 1158 00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:35,280 to go to the east and up, if it's going 1159 00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:37,359 to go this way. 1160 00:52:37,359 --> 00:52:39,200 I understand their point that it it 1161 00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:42,000 looks a little more official than the 1162 00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:45,359 text actually says it is. 1163 00:52:45,359 --> 00:52:48,160 Yeah, I've 1164 00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:49,920 I think if the planning commission would 1165 00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:52,559 like additional graphics added to the 1166 00:52:52,559 --> 00:52:54,319 record, we can certainly do that for 1167 00:52:54,319 --> 00:52:58,000 council to to show that in a little bit 1168 00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:00,480 more of a a clear fashion that the 1169 00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:02,880 segment from 1170 00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:06,880 north from where the on page five where 1171 00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:09,839 the letter D is to the property line is 1172 00:53:09,839 --> 00:53:12,079 that full area for future review. We can 1173 00:53:12,079 --> 00:53:14,720 certainly add that to the public record. 1174 00:53:14,720 --> 00:53:16,800 Mass ask a follow-up question related to 1175 00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:17,520 yours. 1176 00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:20,880 >> So I guess my question would be is 1177 00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:23,040 do we need to dedicate the rightway all 1178 00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:26,880 the way through the plat as proposed if 1179 00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:30,800 it if there are alternative analysis 1180 00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:32,319 being considered. 1181 00:53:32,319 --> 00:53:35,200 >> Uh we we necessarily have to this is the 1182 00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:37,040 preliminary plat. The final plat would 1183 00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:40,240 dictate what what is or is not dedicated 1184 00:53:40,240 --> 00:53:43,920 at this point. We do not need the road 1185 00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:47,839 right ofway dedicated at this time. 1186 00:53:47,839 --> 00:53:50,000 >> Can I conduct a straw poll? Just hit 1187 00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:52,880 raise your hand if you like this graphic 1188 00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:55,200 idea. Commissioners 1189 00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:58,800 on three. One, two, three. I like it. 1190 00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:00,400 >> No. Okay. 1191 00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:01,839 >> Can I ask questions? 1192 00:54:01,839 --> 00:54:04,000 >> Yes. with you for community motion 1193 00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:05,760 discussion or sorry to 1194 00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:08,319 >> I you know so so Eric as I understand 1195 00:54:08,319 --> 00:54:10,640 that F point that you are showing there 1196 00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:13,359 right that's already in a neighborhood 1197 00:54:13,359 --> 00:54:14,319 there correct 1198 00:54:14,319 --> 00:54:15,040 >> that is correct 1199 00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:17,040 >> so and and what we are talking about 1200 00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:18,880 here in essence what problem are we 1201 00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:20,160 trying to solve the problem we are 1202 00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:21,839 trying to solve is whatever comes in 1203 00:54:21,839 --> 00:54:25,119 what is outlaw D needs to have access 1204 00:54:25,119 --> 00:54:28,319 right can that access actually come from 1205 00:54:28,319 --> 00:54:30,720 a combination of D and a combination of 1206 00:54:30,720 --> 00:54:33,839 F as compared to anything running up to 1207 00:54:33,839 --> 00:54:37,040 Century Avenue um you know because we 1208 00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:38,880 don't know what outlot B is going to be 1209 00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:40,400 but let's just say it's low density 1210 00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:42,640 housing which is the concept that you 1211 00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:46,079 had kind of put in front of us that can 1212 00:54:46,079 --> 00:54:48,480 suffice with two different you know kind 1213 00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:51,200 of access point D and F and doesn't need 1214 00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:54,559 to actually go and connect what you're 1215 00:54:54,559 --> 00:54:56,319 showing here with E and the Century 1216 00:54:56,319 --> 00:54:59,119 Avenue going north. Yeah, I think that's 1217 00:54:59,119 --> 00:55:00,640 exactly what'll be looked at as part of 1218 00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:03,200 the 2050 transportation plan is what are 1219 00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:04,720 the volumes, what are the anticipated 1220 00:55:04,720 --> 00:55:07,440 volumes of traffic for both the area to 1221 00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:08,720 the south and the north. That's already 1222 00:55:08,720 --> 00:55:10,480 in the traffic study, but we'll look at 1223 00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:14,160 that further. Um, the adopted 2040 plan 1224 00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:16,640 does show the extension of Century 1225 00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:18,800 Avenue. So, the 2050 plan would have to 1226 00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:21,599 amend that under any scenario or as part 1227 00:55:21,599 --> 00:55:23,359 of a separate action, you would need to 1228 00:55:23,359 --> 00:55:24,880 delete that from that. 1229 00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:26,559 >> Okay. The way to delete that or amend 1230 00:55:26,559 --> 00:55:28,559 that is through detailed study and 1231 00:55:28,559 --> 00:55:29,920 that's exactly what's being proposed as 1232 00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:31,599 part of the 2050 plan. 1233 00:55:31,599 --> 00:55:32,960 >> All right. Thank you, 1234 00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:33,520 >> Commissioner. 1235 00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:35,920 >> Sorry I interrupted. 1236 00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:39,040 >> I just and just a note um if if D does 1237 00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:41,760 connect over onto the roadway with F. Uh 1238 00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:44,000 if you take a look on at the legend, 1239 00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:45,839 there's concern that it would drive 1240 00:55:45,839 --> 00:55:47,839 right through the neighborhood. They 1241 00:55:47,839 --> 00:55:50,799 want it to be local connectivity versus 1242 00:55:50,799 --> 00:55:52,319 moving background traffic through the 1243 00:55:52,319 --> 00:55:54,559 site. So, you've got to balance the two. 1244 00:55:54,559 --> 00:55:56,960 What's the lesser of two evils perhaps? 1245 00:55:56,960 --> 00:56:00,000 I know that probably means another 1246 00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:03,040 traffic study or just engaged. I I don't 1247 00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:04,000 know what that means. 1248 00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:06,640 >> Yeah, I would advise the commission that 1249 00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:10,319 access point F has been has a future 1250 00:56:10,319 --> 00:56:13,440 street extension signed there, but from 1251 00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:17,119 a a routing standpoint is likely not a 1252 00:56:17,119 --> 00:56:19,359 efficient way to move trips to an 1253 00:56:19,359 --> 00:56:21,119 ultimate destination. It makes sense as 1254 00:56:21,119 --> 00:56:22,559 a neighborhood connectivity standpoint. 1255 00:56:22,559 --> 00:56:24,079 That is certainly the best practice. 1256 00:56:24,079 --> 00:56:27,200 Access point E and the connection to 1257 00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:29,359 existing Central Avenue is in our 2040 1258 00:56:29,359 --> 00:56:32,559 plan, but as the council directed and 1259 00:56:32,559 --> 00:56:34,480 the master plan now has been updated to 1260 00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:36,720 direct is that'll be looked at as the as 1261 00:56:36,720 --> 00:56:39,440 part of a needs analysis as part of the 1262 00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:42,400 our next planning exercise. 1263 00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:44,400 >> Thank you, chair. 1264 00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:46,400 >> Did anybody have any other thoughts 1265 00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:50,160 about this very beautiful sketch as 1266 00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:52,160 presented? 1267 00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:52,720 I think 1268 00:56:52,720 --> 00:56:53,440 >> okay 1269 00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:55,440 >> chair if you would I mean from a staff 1270 00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:57,119 standpoint I think with for the 1271 00:56:57,119 --> 00:56:58,799 residents that are in the audience or 1272 00:56:58,799 --> 00:57:01,200 the and for anyone we want this to be 1273 00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:03,119 clear and and our goal within some of 1274 00:57:03,119 --> 00:57:04,960 the design and purpose was to to add 1275 00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:06,720 that level of clarity because as people 1276 00:57:06,720 --> 00:57:08,720 look at this one two six years from now 1277 00:57:08,720 --> 00:57:10,400 we wanted to make sure and we'll have 1278 00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:12,160 minutes from this meeting as well we can 1279 00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:14,480 add some graphics to better show what 1280 00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:16,960 the intent of the dialogue has been 1281 00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:19,680 which is this what I'll call segment E 1282 00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:21,839 is a future study 1283 00:57:21,839 --> 00:57:23,520 Maybe that's a simple future study goes 1284 00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:24,079 below it. 1285 00:57:24,079 --> 00:57:26,960 >> I I think the text makes that clear. 1286 00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:28,799 It's the graphic that I think is 1287 00:57:28,799 --> 00:57:32,240 throwing residents off because frankly 1288 00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:33,599 people like pictures and they're going 1289 00:57:33,599 --> 00:57:34,640 to look at pictures first. 1290 00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:37,680 >> I I I think you know it's a balance 1291 00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:39,839 because we also it there could be under 1292 00:57:39,839 --> 00:57:41,520 that analysis that it is recommended 1293 00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:43,440 that it occurs and if we delete it 1294 00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:44,799 you're going to have a lot of residents 1295 00:57:44,799 --> 00:57:46,559 saying well we didn't know we didn't 1296 00:57:46,559 --> 00:57:47,920 know that that was even a possibility. 1297 00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:49,040 So it's a balance. We're trying to 1298 00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:51,040 balance and it is going to be a thorough 1299 00:57:51,040 --> 00:57:54,720 review. It is not a review that is uh 1300 00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:57,359 that that that's going to be done to 1301 00:57:57,359 --> 00:57:59,599 with rigor to see what ultimately is 1302 00:57:59,599 --> 00:58:04,630 best for the community. 1303 00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:06,000 » You know, from my standpoint, it 1304 00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:07,680 actually depends on what is the density 1305 00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:10,640 of like people needing to go into outlaw 1306 00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:12,880 D area, whatever that turns out to be, 1307 00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:15,920 right? Um that's kind of what is going 1308 00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:18,480 to drive the access piece. 1309 00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:19,520 my opinion 1310 00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:21,280 >> and those land use decisions will be 1311 00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:23,040 done as part of the land use chapter of 1312 00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:25,520 the 2050 plan and so that's the stacking 1313 00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:27,119 of decisions. So you start with the land 1314 00:58:27,119 --> 00:58:29,359 use to get those inputs ultimately then 1315 00:58:29,359 --> 00:58:30,559 look at it through the transportation 1316 00:58:30,559 --> 00:58:31,359 lens. 1317 00:58:31,359 --> 00:58:33,839 >> What about if under the design and 1318 00:58:33,839 --> 00:58:38,559 purpose legend for um E where it talks 1319 00:58:38,559 --> 00:58:40,720 about the 2050 comprehensive plans just 1320 00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:43,520 in parentheses including alternative 1321 00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:46,480 routes. Sure. 1322 00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:48,160 >> That if the commission is supportive of 1323 00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:49,599 that, staff would not have any issue 1324 00:58:49,599 --> 00:58:50,559 with that. And 1325 00:58:50,559 --> 00:58:52,559 >> is that going to go over better than my 1326 00:58:52,559 --> 00:58:56,069 little sketch? 1327 00:58:56,079 --> 00:58:56,880 » Second. 1328 00:58:56,880 --> 00:58:58,880 >> Okay. 1329 00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:01,920 All right. Do we have any other public 1330 00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:04,960 comments come in? Any other um questions 1331 00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:06,480 online? 1332 00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:07,520 >> Not at this time, chair. 1333 00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:09,680 >> Okay. Does anybody have any other 1334 00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:13,200 questions, comments, concerns? 1335 00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:15,599 All right. I can't do it. Look alive, 1336 00:59:15,599 --> 00:59:20,789 people. We're looking for a motion. 1337 00:59:20,799 --> 00:59:24,799 I move to approve the project number 1 1338 00:59:24,799 --> 00:59:28,950 19202500600 1339 00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:32,480 the um Bailey West comprehensive plan 1340 00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:36,000 amendment resoning and preliminary plot 1341 00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:40,319 with the um additional I think two um 1342 00:59:40,319 --> 00:59:43,280 conditions signage as um suggested by 1343 00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:51,680 Commissioner Gentiel and um to perhaps leave room for further 1344 00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:53,520 exploration of the Century Road 1345 00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:56,559 connection, including alternative access 1346 00:59:56,559 --> 00:59:58,240 paths. 1347 00:59:58,240 --> 00:59:59,680 >> Do we have a second? 1348 00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:01,200 >> I second. 1349 01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:03,839 >> All right, the motion passes. Oh, no, it 1350 01:00:03,839 --> 01:00:07,440 doesn't. Wait, we need to vote. 1351 01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:09,119 All in favor, say I. 1352 01:00:09,119 --> 01:00:10,799 >> I. 1353 01:00:10,799 --> 01:00:13,440 >> All right, now it passes. It will be 1354 01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:16,000 going to the 1355 01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:21,040 July 8th city council hearing. 1356 01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:24,240 And with that, we are ready to move on. 1357 01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:27,440 Have has anybody had uh Oh, council 1358 01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:30,000 member Stafford is here for our council 1359 01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:34,789 report. 1360 01:00:34,799 --> 01:00:37,119 This is kind of interesting the way 1361 01:00:37,119 --> 01:00:39,839 these graphics are going here. Um, this 1362 01:00:39,839 --> 01:00:43,920 is my last planning commission meeting. 1363 01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:46,400 Uh, council member Santini will be with 1364 01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:48,480 you the next quarter. We alternate them 1365 01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:50,240 quarterly. 1366 01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:52,000 Um, 1367 01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:53,920 what have we been up to? We have been 1368 01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:55,839 looking at 1369 01:00:55,839 --> 01:00:59,040 drafts of solicitor permits, the 1370 01:00:59,040 --> 01:01:02,079 doortodoor sales people, 1371 01:01:02,079 --> 01:01:04,480 as we've had a lot of concern and have 1372 01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:06,160 thought about it. So, we've got staff 1373 01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:09,280 working on drafts for that. We're making 1374 01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:11,599 progress with a draft of backyard 1375 01:01:11,599 --> 01:01:15,589 chickens. 1376 01:01:15,599 --> 01:01:18,880 Um, so the part of it, a big part of it 1377 01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:20,880 is listening to the community as you 1378 01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:22,559 have done tonight with the people in 1379 01:01:22,559 --> 01:01:25,680 Century Avenue. Is it this is where 1380 01:01:25,680 --> 01:01:27,599 government works slowly, but it's 1381 01:01:27,599 --> 01:01:30,319 because we're listening to get it done. 1382 01:01:30,319 --> 01:01:33,839 And then last but not least is the uh 1383 01:01:33,839 --> 01:01:36,640 Fourth of July hometown celebration and 1384 01:01:36,640 --> 01:01:38,799 it's at M Health Fairview this year on 1385 01:01:38,799 --> 01:01:41,520 the 4th of July and there's lots of 1386 01:01:41,520 --> 01:01:43,119 activities. It's going to be one of the 1387 01:01:43,119 --> 01:01:45,440 biggest ones we've ever had and we're 1388 01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:48,079 all very excited. 1389 01:01:48,079 --> 01:01:50,960 So I hope to see you all out there and I 1390 01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:52,640 hope it's a little cooler than it is 1391 01:01:52,640 --> 01:02:01,510 today. 1392 01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:04,400 Thank you, Council Member Stafford. 1393 01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:06,559 Next, we have approval of the minutes 1394 01:02:06,559 --> 01:02:10,799 from June 16th. Does anybody have any 1395 01:02:10,799 --> 01:02:12,480 questions, comments, concerns about the 1396 01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:21,990 minutes? 1397 01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:26,470 So, I have one 1398 01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:30,640 on page six, very first line, if we 1399 01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:34,480 could just add the word asked. 1400 01:02:34,480 --> 01:02:36,319 Uh, Miss Swanson said that she had a 1401 01:02:36,319 --> 01:02:38,240 parking concern in the high density 1402 01:02:38,240 --> 01:02:41,280 residential area. And if 1403 01:02:41,280 --> 01:02:43,680 and asked if that would be a 1404 01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:48,870 subterranean garage for the residents. 1405 01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:52,870 Just the one this time. 1406 01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:54,559 All right. We will entertain a motion 1407 01:02:54,559 --> 01:02:59,910 for the minutes. 1408 01:02:59,920 --> 01:03:01,440 » I'll make a motion to approve the 1409 01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:03,040 minutes. 1410 01:03:03,040 --> 01:03:04,640 >> Do we have a second? 1411 01:03:04,640 --> 01:03:07,280 >> I'll second. 1412 01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:08,799 >> All in favor say I. 1413 01:03:08,799 --> 01:03:10,960 >> I. I. 1414 01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:13,599 >> The minutes are approved and we are 1415 01:03:13,599 --> 01:03:17,200 adjourned. Thank you.