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Okay. Wonderful. Who's fencer? Good to have you.

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It's good to be here with you. Can you hear me? Okay.

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Now, too.

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And it looks like you've got an appropriate hairline as well. So. You and Brian.

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Have Dan. So we're going to start this meeting. Thank you for everybody that's

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attendance and thank you for everybody online. We are going to start with our open

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the public hearing. This is for the opposed or proposed amendments to the 2026 fiscal year budget.

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Is there anybody here that would like to make a comment for the public hearing?

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Anybody online, Spencer? Do you want to oppose the public hearing or make a comment for the public hearing

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there? No. I support it. Perfect. Okay. Thank you. Then we will, if I don't hear anybody else,

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then we will close the public hearing and we will go straight into our training with the

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Open Public Committees Act training from our Mag colleague Spencer Foster. Thank you, Spencer.

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will let you take it away from here.

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Sounds good. Let me just get everything up on

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computer really quick. I'm actually presenting to you from Goshen today in my car.

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Well, we appreciate your remote attendance.

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I do. Surprisingly, it's kind of decent service.

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I know there's service out there. It's just being fun.

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Yeah, okay, so let me just finish grabbing my other notes really quick and then we can start.

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Okay, so today I want to share with you about the Open and Public Meetings Act.

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Today really is just about, this act is just about protecting you as much as it is about protecting the public really.

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OPMA isn't really meant to trap officials.

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It's meant to protect public trust.

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That's really the purpose of this act, this training, and everything.

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The standard is transparency.

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Really small towns are held to the same OPMA standards as big towns.

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So everyone's subject to this, no matter the size, no matter who they are, where they are,

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even gochins subject to this act. So really the purpose of this act, the OPMA, is it exists so

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that the public can see really how and why decisions are made for your council, for your

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community, they elected you to represent them. And so they expect you to represent

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them well and do the things that are good for the community, the best things for the community.

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And the public is entitled to see not just what decisions are made but how and why they're made.

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So that's kind of the idea behind this act.

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Really asking, would I be comfortable explaining this process publicly when you make a decision or do a ordinance or whatever action you're taking?

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That's really what you should be asking yourself.

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If you feel like, oh, I'm not being as transparent as I should be, then you probably should change.

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Transparency really is the rule behind this act.

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And then closed meetings, you do have the opportunity to go into closed meetings.

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Those are the exception to the rule.

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There are certain things that you don't want to talk about in a public setting.

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And so there are some things that you're allowed to talk about in private.

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So any questions so far?

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It gets to come, really?

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Nope.

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You can hear me, okay?

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Yep.

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Good.

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There are just some big trucks driving past me.

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So I just want to make sure that this is...

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Okay.

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Okay, so let's talk about public bodies.

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So a public body includes councils, planning commissions, boards, committees, and these are

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all created by law and ordinance.

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If it's created by a law and discusses public business, it's covered by OPA, and you have

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to follow the act.

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If it's the example, three of five council members get together and they're talking town business,

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That's where you have to worry about OPMA territory.

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Even if you're not in front of the public, or if you, if it's not a scheduled meeting in three of your and council members are together talking, then technically that qualifies as something that should be a public meeting. So you should stop having that conversation. And instead have a one-on-one conversation with only two of your members.

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Questions about this.

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Yes. Just tell them. Yeah, um, Spencer, how does that work when we have us are in the same

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work? So, um, you just can't talk about the business of the public with each other. Um,

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you would wait until you are in a public meeting with your council. So, but you can talk

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one-on-one with so many people in your work.

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A whole conversation between us,

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or is it going to, if three of them are together,

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is it going to look like they're talking the city business

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if they're just talking about,

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hey, my kid was in the play last night.

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Did you happen to see this?

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I mean, because we, sometimes people

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jump to conclusions when they see-

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Just going to say, people assume

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we're having an official conversation

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when we're talking about the weather.

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So that's the hard part.

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And what you would do with them is you would explain this to them.

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You have a right to have chance social gatherings, and that means you're just together.

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Like, this is by chance, not by choice, really.

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Or it could be by choice and you decide to go out and do something fun together,

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but you're not always talking about public business.

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And so you just explain this to them that you have a right to be in the same ward.

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And just because you're talking to each other doesn't mean you're talking about public business and being in the same room as each other doesn't necessarily mean that you are violating OPMA.

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I have a question with regard to that.

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What's that?

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Like when we go to the lead conference,

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a lot of the cities will get together and go out to dinner.

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And it seems to be just fine.

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We never have really done that,

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because people are worried that we're talking city business,

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but we're not.

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We're just as a social gathering because we're all together

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at the conference.

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Is that still okay or how do we let people know that we're just we're just together, but we're not doing any city business

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We actually like each other so you know, so yeah, so that's a good thing

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That's it's tricky to let people know like

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Like how do you get people to actually believe you when you tell them we're not talking city business

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we just like each other, or we're getting together, or we're going out to dinner at a conference,

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those kind of things. So you just are transparent with them. You just say you could do something

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what is what's called a notice of quorum. That's what sometimes some people in my last community

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that I worked for in Texas would do. When they knew they were going to be in the same place,

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for certain things like if it's like a conference your recorder can say I'm

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going to do a notice of Quorum for you saying you're all going to be in the

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same area at this conference and so you're kind of covered showing that you're

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going to be together you're probably not going to be talking about business but

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that could be the case in some some cases you you might talk about business at

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this conference, but they have a right to go down and they have right to check on you

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if you haven't noticed a forum.

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But really, they can be transparent with them with the same thing of fly, like a lot of

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cities will do a budget retreat where they go and they go somewhere outside of the city

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just to kind of have space.

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No business is being conducted, but we are talking city business.

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So would that be the same type of thing where you can have that retreat where you're in together in the same space?

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But you're not voting or doing anything but you are talking business. You just have that notice.

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Yep, you do.

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I'm just saying, hey, we're gonna be in the same place. We're gonna be talking. We're not gonna be making official actions or final decisions on things.

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But just so you know, we, we will be together.

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But like with your church, like three of you being in the same ward, I wouldn't worry about it for that situation.

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But if you're going to be in a meeting or like a conference or a training or something like that,

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or like if somebody opens a business in your community and they do a ribbon-cutting,

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those kind of situations, it'd be smart to do like a notice of quorum that you're going to be in the same place

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as each other, you're not going to be making official decisions, but you are going to be together.

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So here's a question for you. So Janet and Dan, right, are they share a responsibility with events.

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So if I have a meeting with them, that is not a violation of the Southern Public Meeting Act, right?

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Because I don't constitute a form. I don't create the number three.

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Right, so if you're not a voting member of the council and you're just the mayor, do you have five council members and you're the mayor?

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Okay, so yes, that is fine.

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If you have two of your council members and you, that's fine.

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If you have, if you were a voting member of the council, which some, in some cases,

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are cities and towns do have mayors that are on the council and have a vote. That would be a

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quorum. But since you don't vote, since you're the tiebreaker, you're fine.

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Wonderful, but for our commissioner, for instance, a commissioner couldn't meet with two other

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commissioners, so our commissioner chair. Okay, so that that's correct. Yeah, because their

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commissioner would have a vote on the planning commission.

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But two commissioners can meet with the city council person.

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And I have a piece of is that right?

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Yep, that's right.

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So yeah, it's just when you get three of the same public body together.

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That's when you worry.

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But if it's one and two of two different public bodies, you're okay.

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Does that make sense?

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Yeah, perfect. Thank you.

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Okay, so yeah, we just talked about the quorum what what a quorum means and that's two elected officials by themselves with no action

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When when actually whether when they are discussing public business

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Should say actually it's not to to elected officials. It's two voting elected officials or two voting appointed officials

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So, like we talked about, the mayor can meet with two council members or the mayor and two planning commission members. That's totally fine.

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So, any other questions about those things?

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No, thank you.

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Okay, we'll go into emergency meetings. So, these are really rare. Emergency meetings can be held when there's an immediate threat to life, safety or property.

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And it's really, these will happen if it's like a natural disaster type of situation.

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And the meeting can't wait 24 hours to be held.

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You have to do it as soon as you possibly can.

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This is like a water break in your community and you need to figure out what to do, infrastructure

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collapse or a wildfire.

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Those kind of things, you have a right to have an emergency meeting and not you don't have

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to follow normal noticing rules to have have those meetings. However, you're not allowed an

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emergency meeting to have a routine conversation about a normal topic that can happen in a normal

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council meeting or a normal planning commission meeting. Those things need to wait even if you're

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in a hurry to get them done and it seems like an emergency but it's a routine thing. You have to wait

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So it's a rare occurrence, but you do have the right to have them.

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Any questions about those?

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Okay, let's keep going electronic meetings.

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So you have the right to have an electronic meetings ordinance,

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which allows you to attend meetings virtually.

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And if you have in your ordinance for your electronic meetings

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that those attending virtually can vote and can be part of the quorum,

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you can, you can have a quorum and you can still hold meetings with your, with your council or your planning commission when they're in different locations.

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And that has to be written in your ordinance for, for your electronic meetings.

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But if you have that, you're good and you can keep going with, with people on vacation or people on business in a different state.

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you can you can keep doing your public business and and keep being efficient and effective. So

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okay let's talk about closed meetings. So this is the exception to the rule for opma

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where transparency is generally the rule and you want people to know what you're talking about

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closed meetings. These are the reasons that you would close a meeting and not open this

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information up to the public. So if you're talking about character

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competence, mental health of a individual, collective bargaining, any litigation that

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you're going to be facing, if you're going to purchase property, any security systems that

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you're building that you're putting in, you don't want the public to know where those

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are and how those work and then criminal misconduct investigations that you're doing. You don't have

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to notify the public that you're going to be going through those and then if you're going to buy

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stuff procurement, those are the reasons for a closed meeting and how those would work going into

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a closed meeting. Sometimes you do need to record them but you keep those recordings to your own

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files you don't have to share this publicly or at other times if you're talking about

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other subjects you would just do a closed meeting affidavit. So litigation and property acquisition

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you do record those but you keep those for yourself and then if you're talking about personnel

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or security then those would be an affidavit. You just sign an affidavit saying you went into a closed

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meeting and that you talked about what you're allowed to talk about in a closed meeting with those

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with those topics. Any questions about that?

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Okay, let's keep going. Close meeting

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don't do so you don't want to make any decisions or take final votes in a

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closed session. You have to make a final decision in front of the public. You

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don't have to tell them exactly what you talked about in that closed session, but

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But the final decision has to be made in front of the public.

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So say you go in to talk about the purchase of property and you talk about the nitty-gritty

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details of that property in your closed session.

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You come out and you say we are, we made a decision about what we want to do about this situation.

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that's in our agenda. And do we have a motion and a vote to buy this property? And that's all you

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trouble, the public. None of the details would be given out to the public on that situation.

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Sometimes I see enclosed meetings. The council will get off topic. The only thing that you can talk

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about in your closed session is the agenda item that brought you into the closed session. So be careful

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If we're not to talk about other agenda items while you're in that closed session, talk

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about those only from the public and end your closed session to be able to go in and

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talk about that other item.

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Does that make sense?

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I guess I have one question, does that mean the closed session can only have one topic

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or can we have multiple topics in a single little topic?

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You just have to notice your agenda correctly or have a vague notice on your agenda to say what I what I generally do is I have a closed session option on my agendas that I do that basically says all the reasons you can go into a closed session and you would say

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option to go into a closed session for the following reasons. And then when you

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decide if you are going to go into a closed session, you mention the reasons that

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you're going to go into the closed session for. And then in that closed

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session, you can talk about any of those topics that apply to the reasons. So you

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can talk about multiple things as long as you notify the public of why you're

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going into that closed session. Does that make sense?

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Yeah, it does. Thank you. Spencer, could you give us an example of what an emergency meeting with the closed session might look like, please?

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You have somebody that violated your policies and ordinances that works for the city and you need to talk about their character and competence in an emergency situation.

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And you're like, they have access to our security systems where they have access to our files and we need to get that removed from them.

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So we need to talk about this and then emergency and go into a closed session to do so.

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Does that make sense?

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Yeah, and how would the character competence of that person, you need to talk about and it and it cannot wait.

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How would we go about with the disclosure plot process, you know?

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You would notice that public view.

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To notice that meeting saying that you're going to go into an emergency meeting and do all the public noticing on the Utah Public Notice website. And then for the meeting itself, you would provide an affidavit that says we're going into this closed session or you would sign it afterwards, but the affidavit basically says the reason why you went into the closed session was to talk about personal competency or physical

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physical capabilities of a person and then the mayor would sign it and the recorder

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who sat in on that session would sign it as well as the confirmation person. Does that

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make sense? Perfect. Yeah, and I have templates of closed meeting

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after David's. I can send your way if you don't have them, but I think Jody's pretty good.

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She I think she probably has some. She's very good. Thank you. Yeah. Okay. Let's keep going unless there's any more questions.

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Okay. So talk about annual meeting schedules. Each year you do have to have an annual meeting schedule that tells the public what when you're going to have your meetings.

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And you post this at the very beginning of the year.

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Now, just because you, at the beginning of the year,

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have posted your annual meeting schedule.

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It doesn't mean that this is set in place

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that you have to follow this to a T.

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If you notice correctly that you're going to cancel a meeting,

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you don't have to hold it.

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If you notice correctly that you're going to hold another meeting,

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you can hold another meeting.

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So, but just at the beginning of the year

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that you require, that you have a prediction of when you're going to meet, whether that

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be the first, second, third, Tuesday of the month, at 6 p.m., then that's how you do it,

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when you'd say the date that you're going to do it.

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Okay, let's talk about your notices.

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The content of your notices has to include the date, time, place.

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The place has to have an electronic instruction, like a Zoom link, if you are going to allow

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people to it, attend electronically, and then your agenda has to be reasonably specific.

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It has to be understandable, so it can't just be vague and say we're talking about an ordinance

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on land use. What specifically are you talking about about that ordinance on land use,

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given an explanation that is understandable so that the public knows whether or not they need to be

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to attend the meeting. You do have to post your notices at least 24 hours in advance on the public

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notice website and then in a physical location. And most likely that's at your city hall building.

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And then if you have a website, it's always best practice to put it on your city website as well.

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The only noticing that does not require 24 hours in advance is that emergency notice.

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and emergency meeting notice that we talked about already.

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Okay, let's talk about your meeting minutes.

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Your meeting minutes has to include

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the date, time, place of the meeting,

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the names of the members present and absent.

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So whoever is present from your council

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or your planning commission who is absent,

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and then also it's a good idea to have who appeared virtually

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if you do have an electronic meetings ordinance

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so that people know where people appeared from.

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So the public knows where you appeared from because if you do vote and you do have somebody

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appearing online, then you do have to do a roll call vote.

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So you can't do all in favor vote.

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You have to do one by one, so that's one little intricate thing about public or electronic

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meetings that you have to do.

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You have to include all the substance of the matter that's discussed.

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You don't have to have a word for word transcript of your meetings if you don't like that.

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But if you do want it to be word for word for certain items, you can request that.

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Or if you do like a transcript and you have the tools to make that happen easily,

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when it's not a burden on your city recorder to do that kind of thing,

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then you can request it to be like that.

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And if you're happy with that and your recorder is happy to do that, then you can request that to be the case.

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Really, your minutes are yours and your public body should be happy with them.

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So if things are working, how they are and they follow the legislative rules, then keep them how they are.

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If you think that things need to change a little bit to improve efficiency or how they look or make things more understandable,

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than feel free to change them as long as as long as you're covering your bases with the law.

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Minutes are retained permanently under grammar, so that's another reason why sometimes a word for

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word transcript in your minutes can get interesting because maybe a member of the public came in and they

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they said some choice words or talked about something that is they have the

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free speech to talk about but it's uncomfortable then you can tell you can

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say in a general sentence like this person talked about this topic you don't

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have to say a word-for-word thing or this person was upset and they said they

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We use some language that was unprofessional or something like that.

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You can put that kind of thing in your minutes and not have to say word-for-word what they

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said unless you want it to be that way.

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Any questions or concerns about that?

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One question there is, Spencer, when you were talking about, you know, so like right now

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we have one of our council members that's not with us but is remotely.

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So in that, in those minutes, did we just say, you know, in this case, councilmember Hutchings remote or some member Hutchings is in Long Beach.

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You don't have to say where they are.

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You just, you just provide notice on your minutes that they appear, they appear remotely via your Zoom link or something like that.

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Wonderful. Okay.

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As long as you, yeah, as long as you tell how you appeared then that's fine by the city. Is the convening body required to have electronic people to have electronic access to the meeting or is that optional?

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If you have an electronic meetings ordinance that allows your council to appear remotely,

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then you have to allow the public to appear remotely as well.

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If you don't have, if you don't want people to appear remotely, you don't have to let

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them, but also if you don't, your council members probably can't either.

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So in fairness and open in public, you have to, if you're going to allow your council

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members to appear via Zoom, you also have to have the public have that option.

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That makes sense.

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Yes.

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We do.

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Is the chair of the meeting have the authority to cut a person off during a presentation,

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if it's, if it gets to be inappropriate or whatever.

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Yes. Very much so. Yeah, you can. The chair's role is to provide control the meeting as best

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they can. And if there's something that is not appropriate, that they're presenting on or maybe

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they're going too long, taking too long, the chair has the right to control the meeting and end

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the presentation for various different reasons. And if if one of those

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reasons is that it's inappropriate, then that can be done.

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What about during the public comment?

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During public comment, I would be careful during a public comment if you're

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cutting somebody off unless they meet their unless you have a time limit that

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you're keeping everyone to. If you have that disclaimer saying in our public

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comment session, we're only allowing people a two to three-minute time limit.

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You do have the right to cut them off. If you don't have that disclaimer, then be

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careful because you don't want to allow somebody more time and somebody less

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because then that's when you get in trouble. So say I've got five people that

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want to give a public comment Spencer and the first four are fine you know I give them a little

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bit more time right I let them complete their sentence the fifth one gets up and is just vulgar

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profane and when we hit that two minute mark I cut them off yeah is that going to cause problems

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because I let you just claim you just claim they have a limited amount of time and that they need to

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be done after that two minutes. You might need some help to shut them up, but from somebody

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that can make them stop talking, but you have the right to cut them off.

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So even if I let the first four go five, six minutes each, I do have a right to cut them

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off. No matter. Yeah, you just claimed, you just claimed that the time limit was there.

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And the other person that is going off has met their time limit and they're being vulgar, too.

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So there's multiple factors that would allow you to cut them off.

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Okay.

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So any other questions about this?

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I do.

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We have several small committees that don't aren't decision-makers.

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I mean, obviously planning commission is separate.

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But several small committees that are beneficial to the city like Parks and Rec and our community development where they they're not decision makers, but they are reporting to the council.

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Do all of their meetings need to be recorded as well?

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It depends on how they're set up.

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So, were they appointed an officially, officially put in place by the council?

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Yes.

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Yes.

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Like, and they, were they sworn in as members of committees?

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Not sworn in.

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Not sworn in.

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So, um, if they are officially like sworn in and, and appointed, um, then they, then OPMA does apply.

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If they're more like a volunteer committee where they just volunteered to do it, they

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really weren't appointed to make binding decisions upon their jurisdiction of decision-making,

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then they, OPMA wouldn't apply.

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They could, they could meet together and, and do things without,

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without having to have your recorder there and record and do minutes and all that stuff.

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Right. Compared to finance committee.

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Yeah, if they're making, if they're making important decisions about the city,

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and finances are involved, then you should be doing minutes for financial decisions.

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Okay, so we've got like a chair and vice chair, you know, two different couples that work together to help facilitate Wooden Hill's days, right?

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So, they work in conjunction with Janet and Dan, our two council members, and the council

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has approved the budgets that are expended for Wooden Hill's days, but they are making

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decisions that are expending those funds, right, to maybe get these tables and chairs and

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this climbing law and whatever the case may be, but that wouldn't need to be an open public

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meeting, right?

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No, that's kind of, that's like a staff led volunteer committee almost, so where your staff council technically is staff to at times because you're doing business for the for the community in the city.

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So your staff is meeting with these volunteers who are helping or not necessarily always volunteers,

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volunteers told.

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But yeah, that is totally okay. You don't have to have a public meeting when you're

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having those type of meetings unless you have been sworn in and appointed to be an official member of

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the committee, the body that's going to be doing stuff that, in that kind of way.

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Does that make sense? Sorry. That was kind of convoluted.

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Yes, actually. Thank you.

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Okay. I know I did send you an email with some answers to those kind of questions,

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and so feel free to share those with the council if you want to.

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I will forward all of you that email right now.

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But ironically, I don't remember ever finance committee being

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that you were appointed.

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Never sworn in.

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So our finance committee, our community development committee,

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and our park trails and recreation committee, were all appointed via resolution by the council.

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No, they were not sworn in.

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Okay, so they don't have to be sworn in.

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to to be appointed to do a role.

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There's only certain positions that do need to be sworn in. And those are council members, planning commission members, and your recorder treasure. And if you hire a city manager, those kind of roles, your committees, they don't have to be sworn in necessarily. Sometimes that is a formality, and people do like to do that. But if you have passed a resolution, allowing them to be on those committees, then they don't have to be sworn in. But they would fall under the opinion.

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me technically yeah if you pass the resolution that you want them to do this

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certain job you you can you can amend your resolution to change things to make

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them more voluntary or to be like more like a staff-led committee kind of

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situation, kind of like what I explained in my email to you. And do that, rather than

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have the committees be set up under resolution, because the resolution does, it does put

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in place some OPMA requirements. So, so if you want to change it and make it simpler

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for your recorder and for your staff to be able to do things easier and not have to take

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minutes and be at those meetings then you can definitely change how things are

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structured to make it easier. Wonderful. Thank you, Spencer. You're welcome. Okay,

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let's... Any other questions? If you have any others, feel free to ask.

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Okay, let's

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keep going. Okay, so recordings. So recordings for your meetings must be complete

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and I've edited no matter what it said, no matter how many swear words they say, you

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have to keep them unedited. The good thing is you don't have to re-listen to those.

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You would post those on the public notice website and then you're done unless somebody

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does a grammar request and then you provide a demo copy. These recordings have to be properly

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labeled with the date time and place of the meeting and then these have to be retained

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by your city for three years under the grammar rules. After that, you can destroy them because they do

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take up a lot of space. So if you want to get rid of older recordings older than three years,

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then you're fine to do so. Otherwise, the Utah Public Notice website will retain those for longer

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or the archive, the state archives will retain those for longer at times.

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So, okay, recording in minutes, timelines.

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So, Jody knows these all too well.

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Pending minutes are required to be uploaded within 30 days.

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And then, after you approve minutes,

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you're required to have those uploaded to the website within 3 days

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and then any recordings are due within three days as well.

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So if we have the pending minutes on there,

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then are they replaced by the approved minutes

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or do they keep both of them on the website?

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I generally like to replace them because your approved minutes

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will correct some things in the pending minutes.

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And so you want the final minutes to be the ones that are corrected.

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That's what I said.

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I generally replace them.

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Okay, and spend a quick question if we have a like one of our committees that doesn't meet within that 30 day timeframe.

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Mm hmm.

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Um, draft minutes are only what would be made available if someone requests them correct.

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That's correct.

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Yep, because of that time frame, the only thing that's required of you is to get those draft minutes uploaded and then that's the only thing you really have.

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So you would provide those draft minutes if they're requested.

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And then because the time frame, if they only meet like once every four months or something, then your pending minutes would be with satisfy for those extra three months until they meet.

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and then once they approve the minutes, you would go ahead and change those within the

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three days.

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And those three days, our means are typically, we don't work on Fridays.

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Are we talking business days or are we talking work days?

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I would say business working days.

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So I would say if you do your minutes or you do your meeting on a Thursday, then you would

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have and you don't work Fridays so it would be the next Wednesday. Okay. So the next yeah,

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the next Wednesday would be that's what it'd be due because you'd have the Monday, Tuesday

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and then upload the Wednesday. I Wednesday at five o'clock or yeah. Okay. Thank you. You're welcome.

432
00:50:17,220 --> 00:50:20,180
Okay, so how is the OPMA Act enforced?

433
00:50:20,980 --> 00:50:24,080
So really, OPMA and grandma are both enforced

434
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:27,360
by the state records committee and the attorney general.

435
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:32,100
They can void any actions that you take

436
00:50:32,100 --> 00:50:34,800
if you don't follow OPMA correctly.

437
00:50:35,900 --> 00:50:40,040
So it's important to follow your noticing,

438
00:50:40,700 --> 00:50:45,700
you follow your meeting structure

439
00:50:47,220 --> 00:50:53,380
your agenda, how it's supposed to be, follow the law because if you don't, then the court

440
00:50:53,380 --> 00:51:02,780
can void an action that you take. It's a rare occurrence and usually they don't take you to court

441
00:51:02,780 --> 00:51:10,980
for it. Usually they just reach out and say, hey, we noticed your meeting was different than it should

442
00:51:10,980 --> 00:51:18,360
be. Let's work on that. Let's fix it and let's get up to speed. I've never actually seen

443
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:26,240
a fine for 500 days, $500 a day for non-compliance. I've never seen a fine given out to the communities

444
00:51:26,240 --> 00:51:32,020
that I've helped. There may have been in the past, but I've never seen it since I've started

445
00:51:32,020 --> 00:51:37,920
working in the public sector. Generally, they will work with you to make sure you're doing things

446
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:41,100
right. So, any questions about this?

447
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:48,080
Okay, so let's talk quickly just grandma and opma. They go

448
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:56,500
together very closely. And so your minutes, your recordings, they're all going to be public records

449
00:51:56,500 --> 00:52:04,680
under the grandma rules. So, people are going to be able to request these records and be able to see

450
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:12,960
what's in them. So be careful with side conversations during meetings and be careful with texting

451
00:52:14,720 --> 00:52:21,100
groups of your council members. Don't do a text chain that has three or more council members

452
00:52:21,100 --> 00:52:26,860
in it or don't do an email chain that has three or more council members in it because those technically

453
00:52:26,860 --> 00:52:38,720
will become an OPMAable Record, an OPMA public meeting. So if you start doing those kind

454
00:52:38,720 --> 00:52:49,900
of things, then try and stop and make sure your council members and your planning commission

455
00:52:49,900 --> 00:52:57,740
and members and staff know these rules so that they can avoid doing that.

456
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:02,020
That's about city business.

457
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:07,040
I mean, like sometimes we'll have a group one and say it's Janet's birthday and we also have birthday.

458
00:53:07,340 --> 00:53:07,880
Is that okay?

459
00:53:09,420 --> 00:53:17,360
If it's about city business, actionable city business then avoid having a text chain for it.

460
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:46,720
What's that? I just said again, we all like each other so we text some. Yes, so. Yeah, so that's that's a really good thing. I love when councils like each other and they're willing to talk in and outside of public meetings. That's a good thing, but just be careful not to let it go into an actionable item into your texture emails. So if you're not doing that, then keep doing what you're doing and keep doing a good job.

461
00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:57,880
If you text each other during a public meeting, those texts become grammable records.

462
00:53:58,720 --> 00:54:03,420
So be careful not to text each other during a meeting because

463
00:54:05,460 --> 00:54:07,300
you might not want people

464
00:54:07,300 --> 00:54:13,140
to see what that text was and if you do it during a meeting it becomes grammable.

465
00:54:13,140 --> 00:54:15,980
So, any questions about any of this?

466
00:54:17,260 --> 00:54:19,540
Jody, what was the time period minutes?

467
00:54:19,720 --> 00:54:22,280
A minute, we have to keep indefinitely written minutes.

468
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:22,660
Forever.

469
00:54:23,060 --> 00:54:23,280
Forever.

470
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:24,280
Okay.

471
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:27,240
Yeah, minutes are grammable forever in a public,

472
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:30,020
and they are, you have to keep them forever.

473
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:31,780
Hard copy minutes.

474
00:54:32,420 --> 00:54:33,820
Recordings only three years.

475
00:54:38,060 --> 00:54:38,160
Okay.

476
00:54:38,720 --> 00:54:39,640
So, this is my last slide.

477
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:42,340
Just some best practices for you.

478
00:54:43,100 --> 00:54:44,400
Ask questions early.

479
00:54:44,400 --> 00:55:03,860
When you have a question about any of the open and public meetings act guidelines or a grandma guidelines ask me ask Jodi Jodi's really knowledgeable does a great job or ask your attorney if you really need to use them to so use your staff use your counsel.

480
00:55:05,020 --> 00:55:12,280
When you're unsure if you should notice something, you probably should.

481
00:55:12,580 --> 00:55:15,380
If you're thinking, oh, should I or should I not?

482
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:17,840
Maybe just notice it to be safe.

483
00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:26,000
Like do a notice of quorum, like I said, if you're all going to be in the same training or

484
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:30,420
down at a retreat or something, just notice it.

485
00:55:30,940 --> 00:55:37,920
And then put as little in writing as possible because if you put stuff in writing it then becomes

486
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:38,560
grammable.

487
00:55:38,740 --> 00:55:39,860
It becomes a public record.

488
00:55:40,300 --> 00:55:43,560
And so only put things in writing that are essential.

489
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:50,400
If you need to have just a conversation with another council member or a planning commission

490
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:57,380
member or a staff member, just say it unless you absolutely need to write it down so that

491
00:55:57,380 --> 00:56:04,620
you won't have to have more public records to keep or to to give out with grandma requests so

492
00:56:05,660 --> 00:56:13,340
and that's my presentation for you tonight. Does anybody have any other questions for me?

493
00:56:14,860 --> 00:56:21,100
No, learn a lot. Okay, cool. I hope I didn't point any of you at a sleep so

494
00:56:26,860 --> 00:56:30,600
So, yeah, let me know if you have any other questions.

495
00:56:31,140 --> 00:56:38,040
If any of you want to email me, I would love to answer anything else about anything.

496
00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:43,720
Mayor, if there's any other projects that you would like my help on,

497
00:56:44,240 --> 00:56:49,540
happy to help, Jody, same for you, happy to help with anything.

498
00:56:49,540 --> 00:56:58,020
just let me know. I have a question, Spencer, since the legislature didn't listen to us,

499
00:56:59,240 --> 00:57:08,960
what is your job looking like with Mac without the LAA funding? You know, they actually did

500
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:14,560
reinstate the funding. They did. Okay, last I heard they were taking it out, so they did reinstate it.

501
00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:22,620
okay great. Yeah so they reinstated the 500,000 in funding for the whole state for this program and

502
00:57:22,620 --> 00:57:28,880
then they put it to ongoing. Yes that's what we asked for and I when I last talked to them they

503
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:35,040
said well we don't think we're going to and so I didn't hear that they had actually approved it

504
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:41,660
great. Yeah so yeah we got we've been getting that news back and forth throughout the session and

505
00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:46,440
We found out for sure on Monday.

506
00:57:46,980 --> 00:57:47,900
Yeah, perfect.

507
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:50,020
So yeah, so good news.

508
00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:55,020
So I'll be still available to help you for as long as you need me.

509
00:57:55,740 --> 00:57:56,740
That's perfect.

510
00:57:57,620 --> 00:58:03,000
I'll try and refrain from emailing you more than you know my standard five or six times a week.

511
00:58:03,620 --> 00:58:05,540
Okay, sounds good.

512
00:58:06,060 --> 00:58:08,040
You can even send me six this week.

513
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:09,380
Perfect.

514
00:58:09,380 --> 00:58:14,620
next one. I will. Okay. Thank you so much, Spencer. Appreciate that. I'll talk to you all later.

515
00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:22,680
Okay. I'm going to go a little unconventional now. We've had that meeting on what I can and can do.

516
00:58:23,540 --> 00:58:30,840
And I'm going to request that we take a five-minute break for some non-public business.

517
00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:38,020
That's great. Wonderful. Okay. Thank you. So, five-till, we will start up again.

518
00:58:38,020 --> 00:58:38,040
Okay.

519
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:38,660
Go ahead.

520
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:40,000
Okay.

521
00:58:44,370 --> 00:58:47,010
Am I going to violate anything if we start in two minutes early?

522
00:58:47,710 --> 00:58:47,910
Perfect.

523
00:58:48,450 --> 00:58:48,550
Okay.

524
00:58:48,650 --> 00:58:52,610
Well, I appreciate everybody's patience there by life's lot better now.

525
00:58:54,030 --> 00:58:55,510
We're going to move on to number three here.

526
00:58:55,630 --> 00:59:01,590
Discussion of the proposed amendments to the 2026 fiscal year budget.

527
00:59:03,830 --> 00:59:08,010
So if those that have studied for this.

528
00:59:09,230 --> 00:59:16,910
We are proposing on page 1, accounts 3690 for miscellaneous revenue.

529
00:59:17,870 --> 00:59:24,530
The original budget anticipated the city taking out a bond in the amount of $2,140,000,

530
00:59:25,290 --> 00:59:30,730
however, because of the pavement management project works scheduled for completion by

531
00:59:30,730 --> 00:59:33,910
Kilgore that cannot begin until the next fiscal year.

532
00:59:33,910 --> 00:59:48,490
So we are looking to just pull this back out of the budget so that it is reflected appropriately which will then, you know, pull that also out of our,

533
00:59:49,210 --> 00:59:57,330
oh no, I'm getting ahead of myself though. So removing that $2,140,000 from this line item leaves the original budget,

534
00:59:57,330 --> 00:59:59,970
budgeted $5,000 in that miscellaneous-

535
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:10,080
ordinance account. In addition, the city has been awarded $93,230 grant to conduct the trail

536
01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:16,880
feasibility study. When the 93,230 grant is added to the remaining 5,000 that will leave

537
01:00:17,300 --> 01:00:27,000
that account, number 3690, at the 98,230, as reflected in the column. So with that revision

538
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:31,900
of 310, 2026. Number two, unless we have any questions there.

539
01:00:33,320 --> 01:00:41,800
So also on page one, account number 41, 41, 2350. This is the admin professional services.

540
01:00:42,700 --> 01:00:53,460
The proposed 129,130 shown in the March 10th revised budget column is based on the original

541
01:00:53,460 --> 01:01:18,480
The original 36,000 budgetary budgeted amount listed in the column titled the revised 816 2025 for the fiscal year 2026 budget, plus the 93,230 from the grant the city received the trail feasibility study, as we already talked about, these two amounts together are the 129,230.

542
01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:22,940
So the other two items that we're looking to amend is on page 3.

543
01:01:23,500 --> 01:01:29,120
So account number 41410.606.

544
01:01:29,380 --> 01:01:33,820
This is the streets general maintenance, including the PMP.

545
01:01:34,520 --> 01:01:41,600
The original budget amount listed there is the $3,210,000.

546
01:01:42,020 --> 01:01:45,400
However, since the PMP isn't expected,

547
01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:54,500
So that's the payment management plan, isn't expected to start until the beginning of the next year, like I talked about that 2,140,000 will be removed.

548
01:01:55,080 --> 01:02:06,180
The associated with the bond of the city, so we're taking that out funds that would have gone towards the payment management plan, then can be added again in the next fiscal year.

549
01:02:08,580 --> 01:02:14,680
And so that is then the changes.

550
01:02:15,860 --> 01:02:20,380
And just as a note, I appreciate that we're doing this.

551
01:02:20,840 --> 01:02:26,240
A lot of cities and councils, they open their budget every month to do these kind of

552
01:02:26,240 --> 01:02:26,760
reconciliation.

553
01:02:27,420 --> 01:02:33,020
And we have typically just done it once, maybe twice a year to catch up.

554
01:02:33,020 --> 01:02:37,080
and I think this is a better protocol for transparency

555
01:02:37,560 --> 01:02:41,200
and to keep us in line of where things are or are not.

556
01:02:41,720 --> 01:02:43,760
So I appreciate that we're doing this.

557
01:02:44,100 --> 01:02:45,320
It's a lot less confusing.

558
01:02:45,880 --> 01:02:45,980
Mm-hmm.

559
01:02:46,640 --> 01:02:51,400
And plan on this being more often, especially

560
01:02:51,400 --> 01:02:53,840
as I get to this later line item,

561
01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:56,620
where we're talking about those timelines

562
01:02:56,620 --> 01:03:00,780
for the next budgetary cycle, the way

563
01:03:00,780 --> 01:03:06,040
that I'm kind of restructuring how we present those, and so that you guys have far more control

564
01:03:06,040 --> 01:03:12,840
on that. We'll want to be amending the budget more frequently for that increased transparency.

565
01:03:13,320 --> 01:03:20,400
So again, yes. So I have a couple of questions as I was going through this and kind of

566
01:03:21,820 --> 01:03:29,040
things that really jumped out of me pretty hard, that I expect one of them that I've got some

567
01:03:29,040 --> 01:03:36,360
concerns. Well, I'm not concerned. I just don't think we're seeing things. So if you've got

568
01:03:36,360 --> 01:03:43,300
the budget there in front of you, I know it's further down the pass. So line 3422 and incomes.

569
01:03:46,640 --> 01:03:54,980
3432. You'll reduction. Yeah. Okay, we budgeted 250,000. It's been 250,000 the whole way

570
01:03:54,980 --> 01:04:03,140
I see this month we've got actually $403,851 in there, which gives us 162%.

571
01:04:03,140 --> 01:04:14,560
Now, this is likely because of receiving money for buyers because it takes a while to get some of that money in.

572
01:04:14,560 --> 01:04:25,700
right but if we we should be we really should have our budgets kind of look kind of these

573
01:04:25,700 --> 01:04:29,980
tags a little bit better and I know they've gone through some changes here but if we're going

574
01:04:29,980 --> 01:04:36,980
to make them some change we need to kind of make a change here where we're expecting $403,851

575
01:04:36,980 --> 01:04:45,660
dollars because we've already received it. Does that make sense? Yes. So I think that change

576
01:04:45,660 --> 01:04:47,480
really should be made.

577
01:04:50,520 --> 01:04:56,460
And I was kind of, you know, kind of going through some things

578
01:04:56,460 --> 01:05:15,650
and 419 second 419 on building wages it is too so when we start at kind of

579
01:05:15,650 --> 01:05:23,350
looking at these retirement health insurance we're a little bit high on the

580
01:05:23,350 --> 01:05:32,010
spend here makes me, while it's not a ton of money, this kind of makes me a little bit concerned,

581
01:05:32,010 --> 01:05:34,590
especially with some of the things that we've talked about previously.

582
01:05:37,170 --> 01:05:38,990
Why are we not budgeted

583
01:05:38,990 --> 01:05:46,170
properly here? Would that just be these high numbers based on where we are in the fiscal year

584
01:05:46,170 --> 01:05:56,990
that we only have to work close to 70% or 75% of the year or 70-75 something like that and

585
01:05:56,990 --> 01:06:06,270
you got the health insurance is already at 90% spend retirement is 83% spend while our plan

586
01:06:06,270 --> 01:06:14,390
review and FICA are lower right so that makes me a little concerned as we move forward looking at

587
01:06:14,390 --> 01:06:17,670
making sure we're budgeting better, because this looks like we're budgeting.

588
01:06:18,590 --> 01:06:23,830
So one thing to be aware of on this particular column, and I understand the principles of what

589
01:06:23,830 --> 01:06:30,250
you're saying, they're bright and I agree, with the building department, this is budgeted on an

590
01:06:30,250 --> 01:06:36,070
estimated number of permits that are going to be coming in, and so with us being high on that estimate.

591
01:06:36,810 --> 01:06:42,250
So say we estimate, I don't know how many we estimated, and correct me if I'm saying this

592
01:06:42,250 --> 01:06:49,650
wrong you guys, the staff. But we are, we've had more permits come through. Thus, more

593
01:06:49,650 --> 01:06:53,730
time has been allocated in us. It's more of a pass-through element.

594
01:06:54,150 --> 01:06:58,310
Okay. All right. If that's the case, then that's understandable. I thought we were just

595
01:06:58,310 --> 01:07:04,230
doing percentages. I thought the wages that were being broken up from different budgets,

596
01:07:04,230 --> 01:07:11,590
which is almost, you know, it doesn't seem quite the easiest way to do it. But I thought it was

597
01:07:11,590 --> 01:07:14,170
is based on a strict percentage of the salary.

598
01:07:15,490 --> 01:07:18,530
And these percentages are a strict percentage

599
01:07:18,530 --> 01:07:20,770
of the budgeted amount.

600
01:07:21,110 --> 01:07:23,190
And so if they're spending more time in the building

601
01:07:23,630 --> 01:07:27,290
than we anticipated, more of that funds would come through.

602
01:07:27,450 --> 01:07:32,210
OK, so the staff is fracking their time in each one

603
01:07:32,210 --> 01:07:33,570
of these blocks.

604
01:07:35,090 --> 01:07:36,890
I think on the building department for sure.

605
01:07:38,030 --> 01:07:38,430
OK, no.

606
01:07:43,350 --> 01:07:45,070
We're looking through these types of things.

607
01:07:45,650 --> 01:07:53,350
Yeah, I just kind of put it out because I saw it, how it came up a little bit, and it kind of looked at some of these because of other discussions that we've had.

608
01:07:54,170 --> 01:08:02,410
And I'm just seeing where we've seen a little bit high in a couple of these, which means we've either budgeted wrong or it's coming out differently.

609
01:08:03,590 --> 01:08:06,050
And so I'm bringing that up.

610
01:08:07,090 --> 01:08:11,650
The big one was that spend, the course, or not that spend, but the revenue.

611
01:08:13,090 --> 01:08:20,610
And then I wanted to kind of ask, why did we transfer all of our funds to public works

612
01:08:20,610 --> 01:08:24,950
capital project and then to the general fund instead of doing them straight to the general

613
01:08:24,950 --> 01:08:25,250
fund?

614
01:08:25,730 --> 01:08:27,350
It seemed like an extra steps to me.

615
01:08:27,530 --> 01:08:28,490
Do you know why that happened?

616
01:08:28,490 --> 01:08:32,310
and I don't do it.

617
01:08:32,450 --> 01:08:33,710
No, I have a question for Laurie.

618
01:08:34,370 --> 01:08:34,930
She might go.

619
01:08:35,430 --> 01:08:36,890
I could talk to her later.

620
01:08:37,950 --> 01:08:40,430
But yeah, the one big one jumped out at me

621
01:08:40,430 --> 01:08:43,670
was actually the revenue on fuel reduction

622
01:08:44,180 --> 01:08:47,730
and I'm probably going to recommend

623
01:08:47,730 --> 01:08:49,610
and we make that adjustment tonight.

624
01:08:49,830 --> 01:08:51,370
I think we can still do that.

625
01:08:52,490 --> 01:08:54,370
And we'll make a motion.

626
01:08:54,590 --> 01:08:56,350
Can we not do it during the motion?

627
01:08:56,930 --> 01:09:04,570
No, because this required a public hearing, we have to make a public hearing with a 30-day notice,

628
01:09:05,070 --> 01:09:12,630
no, 10-day notice. So we can add this to our next, I've made a note here for future change

629
01:09:13,810 --> 01:09:19,450
on 34-22. Yeah, there's, I mean, there's a bunch of that are over 100%, but the really small amount,

630
01:09:19,610 --> 01:09:24,950
I'm not worried about that. This one is a big amount. So I want to make sure that we've got, now we've

631
01:09:24,950 --> 01:09:32,410
We've got funds. We want to make sure we're budgeting those funds, right? Does that make sense? I want to make sure that we know we have money.

632
01:09:33,630 --> 01:09:34,030
Yep.

633
01:09:34,930 --> 01:09:41,530
And can appropriately manage that. So that was the comments that I wanted to make on the budget.

634
01:09:44,310 --> 01:09:51,270
430 you got from Wildland Fire. You have to keep in mind that that was some of the wages that we paid out already.

635
01:09:51,270 --> 01:10:00,230
Sure, sure, but we're budgeting for $250 and we got $400, you know, that's that's saying we got

636
01:10:00,830 --> 01:10:09,230
100 and something over what we what we budgeted for and is that just where's that going? Where's that that that

637
01:10:09,230 --> 01:10:16,230
To the past that's what she saying I think is that it was a past to do it. That's not how that's not how we budget when we budget

638
01:10:16,230 --> 01:10:21,150
We put a dollar amount and if it's a pastor, we budget spending on that same dollar.

639
01:10:21,610 --> 01:10:22,610
That's how we celebrate.

640
01:10:23,730 --> 01:10:26,310
We have an income of 430 ish.

641
01:10:27,670 --> 01:10:33,390
So the wages, if the wages in cost of the truck were, I want to say 300,000.

642
01:10:34,170 --> 01:10:35,850
And the letters in the fire just weren't there.

643
01:10:36,030 --> 01:10:43,130
So to that revenue for 30, you can make sure that we're seeing this how much we get in and out.

644
01:10:43,130 --> 01:10:45,590
Now, make sure we can manage that appropriately, right?

645
01:10:45,890 --> 01:10:49,110
Because we do act like you know, making revenue on these fires

646
01:10:49,670 --> 01:10:51,310
and pay for our mitigation crew,

647
01:10:51,470 --> 01:10:56,070
but mostly so we know how to cater our crews

648
01:10:56,730 --> 01:10:59,890
to make sure we're always at least earning revenue

649
01:10:59,890 --> 01:11:00,570
or making even.

650
01:11:00,990 --> 01:11:04,830
So if you have his question of we budgeted the 250M,

651
01:11:05,050 --> 01:11:08,710
and we got more than that, should we have then open the budget

652
01:11:08,710 --> 01:11:12,250
earlier in the year when that additional funds came in

653
01:11:12,250 --> 01:11:18,290
and dealt with it then or when they actually hit our account right because that's the tricky part

654
01:11:18,290 --> 01:11:24,890
about this specifically this account is like for instance we the last year we did not anticipate

655
01:11:24,890 --> 01:11:29,890
I think the year that we had with fire right and especially we did not anticipate the California

656
01:11:29,890 --> 01:11:36,810
fire which was a decent chunk of this and those funds have we received those funds yet or did they

657
01:11:36,810 --> 01:11:42,730
just were they about to come in? We've gotten 75% of them from California. We've got 25,

658
01:11:43,050 --> 01:11:46,770
all the funds for all the fires they've gone on have been paid. So we've been paid by the state

659
01:11:47,310 --> 01:11:52,330
for all the fires with the exception of the last 25% count. And that's supposedly in a work

660
01:11:52,330 --> 01:11:59,290
right now. So that's the tricky elements here. And as we kind of get through this,

661
01:11:59,410 --> 01:12:05,450
and we'll get a little bit of a different and maybe a little better grasp on how to manage this.

662
01:12:05,450 --> 01:12:06,650
So, thank you, Brian.

663
01:12:07,610 --> 01:12:07,730
Yep.

664
01:12:08,850 --> 01:12:09,010
Wonderful.

665
01:12:09,250 --> 01:12:10,190
Any other questions?

666
01:12:11,930 --> 01:12:12,410
Wonderful.

667
01:12:12,790 --> 01:12:17,070
Okay, then we are going to proceed for the mailbox update.

668
01:12:18,070 --> 01:12:20,670
Ted, do you have anything on that one from the county?

669
01:12:22,230 --> 01:12:26,450
So, from the county's aspect, they have a redesign kind of the roundabout.

670
01:12:27,490 --> 01:12:30,170
And they've got the locations of the entrances now.

671
01:12:32,570 --> 01:12:40,610
That will work what they feel is the safest way to negotiate them in the roundabout or through the roundabout.

672
01:12:41,330 --> 01:12:45,090
So the mailboxes you'll actually go through the roundabout getting north.

673
01:12:45,710 --> 01:12:53,030
You'll go the appropriate distance from the roundabout and then there's a right turn only lane that you can get into and turn it in the mailboxes.

674
01:12:53,530 --> 01:12:57,630
You have the plans for that that you can send us so we can visualize it.

675
01:12:57,630 --> 01:13:01,490
Uh, we'll see. Okay. And then coming out of the mailboxes on the

676
01:13:03,610 --> 01:13:08,910
south east leg, you can come right out and they go back to the ramp. You do now coming out.

677
01:13:09,550 --> 01:13:14,550
All you're going in will be through. They'll both be in and out for them to be two in and out.

678
01:13:14,590 --> 01:13:18,590
So when I'm willing, it's driving on on to the day of east leg. But we won't be turning left in

679
01:13:18,590 --> 01:13:22,950
and we're going right. You're going right in and out. We'll be right in and out. You talked about that

680
01:13:22,950 --> 01:13:28,650
before. Yeah. Ellen, thanks for redesigning that for us because we were really concerned about safety.

681
01:13:29,690 --> 01:13:33,810
So we all were in some of the design team, but I think they got something that's probably about

682
01:13:33,810 --> 01:13:38,330
the safest. They can work and still meet the county standards for entrances and access.

683
01:13:39,750 --> 01:13:40,310
Awesome.

684
01:13:44,290 --> 01:13:51,730
Perfect. And I know we're also working on the design, taking a look at that, getting a lot of

685
01:13:51,730 --> 01:13:56,530
feedback there from the community as well as each of us. So thank you all

686
01:13:56,530 --> 01:13:59,390
not. Is there much other pushback that we're saying?

687
01:14:00,970 --> 01:14:04,850
We're working on coordinating meetings. You know, we've gone back and forth

688
01:14:04,850 --> 01:14:08,730
way, and especially a spearheaded a lot of this. We've gone back and forth with the developers,

689
01:14:09,010 --> 01:14:13,610
with the architects, with the county, with all the different players, and we're looking

690
01:14:13,610 --> 01:14:16,650
right now to try and get a face-to-face to kind of flush it all out.

691
01:14:16,650 --> 01:14:26,690
So one thing that I know we'll probably have we have the wooden sign the welcome to the with the hills of the with the hill sign where the current mailboxes are that would be removed.

692
01:14:27,070 --> 01:14:40,790
Is there I don't know how the box is proposed mailboxes will be positioned on that property and wonder if there is a solid wall structure that we could put signage just directly on the wall on the back of the building.

693
01:14:40,790 --> 01:14:45,610
So, for example, the back of the buildings, what faces down toward the valley, that might

694
01:14:45,610 --> 01:14:49,510
be an appropriate place to re-position signage.

695
01:14:50,150 --> 01:14:54,570
So just think of something like, I just drove up here today, and I'm like, oh, that sign's

696
01:14:54,570 --> 01:14:54,870
going to go.

697
01:14:55,070 --> 01:14:56,090
I wonder what we're going to replace it.

698
01:14:56,410 --> 01:14:58,430
And I thought, well, if we have-

699
01:14:58,430 --> 01:14:59,210
It's a new project.

700
01:14:59,530 --> 01:14:59,770
It's real.

701
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:03,760
Building there that maybe we can appropriate back of the building for some sort of signage component.

702
01:15:06,220 --> 01:15:29,600
Oh, yeah, right through the. Yeah, like that. I look at it. Mirrors. Elk and stuff like that. Yeah. Yeah. Put those corner mirrors up so you know, like a forklift in the for warehouse things. Yeah. Yeah. Like that from. Exactly. I don't know. I'm still designing around about right. Like it's still.

703
01:15:30,340 --> 01:15:34,780
Unfortunately, fairly preliminary, there's a few reasons that we need to solidify before

704
01:15:34,780 --> 01:15:37,200
we can actually kind of move further.

705
01:15:37,740 --> 01:15:42,160
But I do want to keep this on the agenda each week or each council meeting to give everybody

706
01:15:42,160 --> 01:15:43,360
an update on where we're at.

707
01:15:43,660 --> 01:15:44,560
So are they still targeting?

708
01:15:45,020 --> 01:15:49,500
Is it, what one was it made that they wanted to have, like the rest are actually start doing

709
01:15:49,500 --> 01:15:53,280
the roundabout stuff around, about generally getting out, maybe probably start in the summertime,

710
01:15:53,720 --> 01:15:54,440
the actual construction.

711
01:15:54,700 --> 01:15:54,820
Okay.

712
01:15:54,820 --> 01:15:59,200
right now to design and going out to bid around that time. They're about, they're going

713
01:15:59,200 --> 01:16:03,340
on what they call the roundabout sale. Now this is the now watches or the now watch. Right.

714
01:16:03,600 --> 01:16:07,900
That's being worked on separately from the roundabout sale. Okay. The roundabout sale is about

715
01:16:07,900 --> 01:16:14,220
about 60% of the time. Okay, great. So still on pace. And are they going to be giving us,

716
01:16:14,360 --> 01:16:22,240
I mean, similar to how they did on the Salem Parkway or Mt. Lulfer Parkway, you know, they

717
01:16:22,240 --> 01:16:27,700
had where citizens could could put their email in there and get updates. Are they going to,

718
01:16:27,860 --> 01:16:31,700
is the county going to do that for Woodland Hills Drive? That's going to be close most of the summer.

719
01:16:32,120 --> 01:16:36,180
So during construction, I'll be coming through a couple of different entities, which we'll

720
01:16:36,180 --> 01:16:41,480
piggyback you on. Both the county and say, because say we've got a lot of work going on too. So we've

721
01:16:41,480 --> 01:16:46,380
been, I'm going to say I'm going to the county and people about this. And they're going to have,

722
01:16:46,980 --> 01:16:51,620
because it's their contractor, right? And but they're going to let us piggyback on the information

723
01:16:51,620 --> 01:16:57,060
they're providing, because it's in Salem where it's going to happen, except we're right at the

724
01:16:57,060 --> 01:17:01,100
roundabout, which is counting, but so be all their contractors, but they're going to let us

725
01:17:01,100 --> 01:17:06,680
pick you back on all those notices. So we've been on our Facebook site, our website, links, notices,

726
01:17:07,000 --> 01:17:16,100
sign up, whatever they, whatever their company is, what we pick you back on. So this is going to be,

727
01:17:16,100 --> 01:17:20,920
is going to be affecting, you know, lots of people, people for the nails and salam and, you know,

728
01:17:21,020 --> 01:17:21,380
Elbridge.

729
01:17:23,400 --> 01:17:28,020
Now, I'll give you a joke as well. We may, and I'll talk with Peter Kutner as well

730
01:17:28,020 --> 01:17:33,760
at the county and see if there actually is an event element we could use of Everbridge to give

731
01:17:33,760 --> 01:17:41,180
people updates on that as well. That way, it doesn't interrupt the usage of our standard, but people

732
01:17:41,180 --> 01:17:45,880
could potentially opt in for the Hill's construction updates.

733
01:17:46,220 --> 01:17:51,680
My guess is it will be a link that we'll provide them because they're maybe hosting a website

734
01:17:51,680 --> 01:17:55,280
problem or something like that. Most of the contractors have a website that you

735
01:17:55,280 --> 01:18:00,100
just go to and then you sign up and it just kind of pushes you, the notices you want.

736
01:18:00,440 --> 01:18:05,360
So I don't think we need to use Everbridge. We'll just have to look at it. If they're doing

737
01:18:05,360 --> 01:18:10,840
a good job, it usually just comes directly to you. It's just a matter of how we want

738
01:18:10,840 --> 01:18:14,120
to potentially reach people. We've got options. So, we'll take a look at every

739
01:18:14,120 --> 01:18:20,060
bridge to set them a link to sign up for them. Yeah. So, perfect. Any other

740
01:18:20,060 --> 01:18:20,820
questions on the mailbox?

741
01:18:23,800 --> 01:18:26,680
Okay, then we're going to move to number five. This is

742
01:18:26,680 --> 01:18:31,040
the general plan update and time limit. I'm also going to include kind of the

743
01:18:31,040 --> 01:18:37,460
budgetary timeline as well on this. So, you guys understand where we're

744
01:18:37,460 --> 01:18:39,540
where everybody's at, the Planning,

745
01:18:40,040 --> 01:18:43,820
the Community Development Committee has been working hard

746
01:18:43,820 --> 01:18:44,780
for a very long time.

747
01:18:46,100 --> 01:18:49,140
Most of that document where we at,

748
01:18:49,800 --> 01:18:52,320
chapters one through what have been given to the community.

749
01:18:52,460 --> 01:18:54,420
Any commission or a general plan?

750
01:18:54,700 --> 01:18:55,140
Any community development.

751
01:18:55,480 --> 01:18:56,980
Correct, but what percentage of what,

752
01:18:57,160 --> 01:18:59,620
how many chapters have gone to planning commission?

753
01:19:00,220 --> 01:19:01,280
The whole document.

754
01:19:01,460 --> 01:19:02,740
You guys have seen the whole document.

755
01:19:03,000 --> 01:19:06,060
And how many have given, you've given to me?

756
01:19:06,060 --> 01:19:20,120
We've looked at six. So one through six. So my document is I think for for remaining that we will do in March. Wonderful. Okay, so I just want to make sure the next words out of my mouth for 100% accurate.

757
01:19:20,680 --> 01:19:31,720
So I currently am working through in design a file system and creating a red line copy for each of you guys on that first six chapters.

758
01:19:32,400 --> 01:19:35,620
I hope to have already had it done today, but I'm close.

759
01:19:35,840 --> 01:19:38,780
I've got four or five pages left, and then I'll get that out to each of you.

760
01:19:40,600 --> 01:19:50,380
So on the 4th of March, so in the past here, they, well, that was my hope, was the 4th

761
01:19:50,380 --> 01:19:53,880
of March to get you guys that information for now on the 10th, but I'll get that to you

762
01:19:53,880 --> 01:19:54,660
as soon as possible.

763
01:19:55,680 --> 01:20:02,940
Currently, I've got on the 18th, the Planning Commission is hopefully estimated to be completed

764
01:20:02,940 --> 01:20:08,880
with the last four chapters. Is that still sound good? Yes. Perfect. So I'll get you guys those

765
01:20:08,880 --> 01:20:15,920
first six and then those last four, hopefully by the 23rd or something, depending on my schedule.

766
01:20:16,060 --> 01:20:19,800
My schedule has changed a little bit recently and I'll give it update on that in a second.

767
01:20:21,560 --> 01:20:28,200
So, community development will then begin sometime in March, depending on some schedules,

768
01:20:28,200 --> 01:20:33,400
the strategic plan. Okay, working on kind of an implementation of chapters one through six,

769
01:20:33,980 --> 01:20:39,320
that will be sometime in March and then hopefully March April, they'll then start tackling seven

770
01:20:39,320 --> 01:20:46,300
and ten. Okay, I've talked to Kyrsten about that. We're on the same page there with Daniel and so

771
01:20:46,300 --> 01:20:53,340
that'll start proceeding. That will be the important part, will be your review of those chapters and if

772
01:20:53,340 --> 01:21:01,900
anything large and glaring on that to then get that back in a way that we can we can start helping with that approval process.

773
01:21:02,660 --> 01:21:02,780
Okay.

774
01:21:04,760 --> 01:21:07,760
Then on April is 20th or so.

775
01:21:08,200 --> 01:21:18,780
We are going to have to file a notice for public hearing for planning commission to then kind of approve this, the general plan.

776
01:21:20,200 --> 01:21:33,900
that will then be on May 20th, that public hearing will then take effect and that planning commission meeting will actually be held where they will vote to either recommend that plan to you the council or not.

777
01:21:33,900 --> 01:21:48,840
Okay. Then on June 9th, you will then have a vote. And we've learned as of state code 10-20-405.

778
01:21:49,860 --> 01:21:57,900
That was the last November that that actually took effect that there is no longer a public hearing required for the City Council to adopt that general plan.

779
01:21:58,080 --> 01:22:01,780
So there will not be a public hearing there, though you will be able to adopt that.

780
01:22:01,780 --> 01:22:10,000
And then on July 28th, pending everything else working out well, the council then should have a vote for the strategic plan.

781
01:22:10,260 --> 01:22:13,720
So the planning commission gets to have a public hearing but we do not.

782
01:22:14,120 --> 01:22:14,280
Correct.

783
01:22:14,620 --> 01:22:20,720
They have a thing at the input they can do what they want to present it to us and we approve or not approve.

784
01:22:21,320 --> 01:22:21,560
Correct.

785
01:22:21,760 --> 01:22:23,440
Without meeting the public hearing.

786
01:22:23,940 --> 01:22:23,980
Correct.

787
01:22:24,760 --> 01:22:31,220
So the primary public hearing for the general plan because this is the general plan is a public or

788
01:22:31,220 --> 01:22:33,780
planning commission document, right?

789
01:22:34,200 --> 01:22:36,860
So we're going to move with that type of structure.

790
01:22:37,340 --> 01:22:39,900
So that's kind of an updated schedule there.

791
01:22:40,460 --> 01:22:41,340
Any questions on that?

792
01:22:42,760 --> 01:22:45,060
If anybody wants that hard copy,

793
01:22:45,240 --> 01:22:47,460
I can send that and it'll also be included in the minutes.

794
01:22:48,800 --> 01:22:51,320
Also, I can get that.

795
01:22:51,660 --> 01:22:51,880
I can get that.

796
01:22:52,100 --> 01:22:53,340
I need to.

797
01:22:53,480 --> 01:22:54,560
Can you send that to Carrie?

798
01:22:54,660 --> 01:22:55,540
Thank you.

799
01:22:55,540 --> 01:22:58,600
I do like the timeline though because it keeps us on task.

800
01:22:59,140 --> 01:22:59,460
I like that.

801
01:22:59,460 --> 01:23:05,420
Perfect. So to give you guys kind of a budget schedule, I'm not going to go through the whole thing.

802
01:23:05,880 --> 01:23:16,060
I've done that in the past. One thing to just so you guys are aware, next council meeting each staff member who has a budget will be presenting that to each of you.

803
01:23:16,520 --> 01:23:23,400
So prior to that, I will provide each of you with the kind of the hard fixed costs of our budget.

804
01:23:23,400 --> 01:23:33,940
And then what they will be presenting is the variable costs or basically what are the optional ways to which you the council can direct the priorities of the city.

805
01:23:35,040 --> 01:23:38,520
My hope was that I would be here to kind of help facilitate that.

806
01:23:39,800 --> 01:23:43,340
My family's decided that it would be a good time to not be here.

807
01:23:43,820 --> 01:23:49,280
And so we're going to be out of town though I'll be calling in so Janet will run that next council meeting.

808
01:23:49,280 --> 01:23:58,580
But I will be here to help facilitate and go through that variable allocation March 24th. That's March 24th. Yes.

809
01:23:59,520 --> 01:24:05,840
And then we'll go from there with the rest of the plan as I've discussed in previous meetings.

810
01:24:06,520 --> 01:24:12,500
Okay. So that's kind of where we're at and you'll start seeing those documents from me in preparation.

811
01:24:12,500 --> 01:24:16,680
Are we stuck with a budget retreat like we have in the past or no?

812
01:24:17,560 --> 01:24:22,540
This will kind of be that pseudo budget retreat like we've kind of done in the last over

813
01:24:22,540 --> 01:24:28,260
the last four years or so and I loved what Spencer was talking about because there is

814
01:24:28,260 --> 01:24:34,440
an element of a retreat that I kind of do like for us to kind of get to know each other

815
01:24:34,440 --> 01:24:35,140
a little bit better.

816
01:24:35,480 --> 01:24:37,540
You know, it helps with our kind of working relationship.

817
01:24:38,540 --> 01:24:41,420
Unfortunately, I believe Brian, you're not going to be able to join us, right?

818
01:24:41,420 --> 01:24:43,440
the Utah League of Cities and Towns conference.

819
01:24:45,450 --> 01:24:47,970
That's correct, I have a previous engagement.

820
01:24:49,050 --> 01:24:51,990
Okay, but the rest of us should be hopefully all independent.

821
01:24:51,990 --> 01:24:54,610
Yeah, you would have the most interesting stories.

822
01:24:54,890 --> 01:24:55,630
We meet you.

823
01:24:56,150 --> 01:24:58,710
You heard my interesting story.

824
01:25:00,510 --> 01:25:03,270
We'll maybe have to just share them with the rest of the class.

825
01:25:04,070 --> 01:25:05,850
But first, Spencer's request.

826
01:25:06,150 --> 01:25:12,150
We'll post a corn notice of corn for when we're down at those trainings.

827
01:25:12,150 --> 01:25:14,730
and we will do somewhat of a retreat down there.

828
01:25:15,130 --> 01:25:16,530
So what were those dates again?

829
01:25:17,430 --> 01:25:18,350
The Utah League's got.

830
01:25:18,450 --> 01:25:19,330
The year through the 24th.

831
01:25:19,950 --> 01:25:20,390
Sorry about that.

832
01:25:20,390 --> 01:25:20,510
Let's see.

833
01:25:20,530 --> 01:25:21,810
Twenty-second to the 24th.

834
01:25:21,970 --> 01:25:23,010
April 22nd.

835
01:25:23,850 --> 01:25:26,310
It starts the evening on the 22nd

836
01:25:26,310 --> 01:25:29,870
and ends around two o'clock on the 25th.

837
01:25:31,050 --> 01:25:34,930
So we're looking currently at probably going to do a dinner

838
01:25:34,930 --> 01:25:37,990
or something that Thursday evening.

839
01:25:37,990 --> 01:25:43,610
So that is when we usually go to the Utah league cities and towns kind of barbecued thing

840
01:25:43,610 --> 01:25:49,450
But we end up usually sitting together yelling at each other because of the band that nobody's listening to

841
01:25:49,450 --> 01:25:53,170
So we probably will actually go somewhere else for that meeting

842
01:25:53,810 --> 01:26:00,930
So get your reservation into which the nice rest are you going to come to because because they book up fast

843
01:26:00,930 --> 01:26:03,130
Well, there was no longer part of the court lesson

844
01:26:07,990 --> 01:26:15,050
has good stories. We're technically posting it and the public coming, you know, you could

845
01:26:15,050 --> 01:26:22,370
be there liaison. If you have an Idaho tattoo, it's a free pass. You get to come. I thought

846
01:26:22,370 --> 01:26:29,750
that was a date. So get any questions on all that. Perfect. Then we'll move on to number

847
01:26:29,750 --> 01:26:31,010
number six, 10?

848
01:26:32,190 --> 01:26:33,490
I'm going to walk up to you.

849
01:26:35,570 --> 01:26:37,170
This one isn't as bad as it looks.

850
01:26:39,430 --> 01:26:41,070
Okay, the linking might be adorable.

851
01:26:41,670 --> 01:26:42,870
The manager has gotten a pressure.

852
01:26:43,910 --> 01:26:44,890
Yeah, he's going to help me.

853
01:26:45,170 --> 01:26:47,210
Yeah, so pressure on the hose.

854
01:26:47,410 --> 01:26:49,470
So this started out as one direction

855
01:26:49,470 --> 01:26:51,170
and now I just kind of want to

856
01:26:51,750 --> 01:26:53,430
give you an update and then maybe

857
01:26:53,930 --> 01:26:55,510
gauge. You're down green from the helicopter.

858
01:26:55,510 --> 01:26:58,470
Council. We're down right from Helicopter James.

859
01:27:01,370 --> 01:27:05,490
Let me tell you kind of what's leading to this.

860
01:27:05,730 --> 01:27:11,450
So today I got an email from this state that said congratulations. We now have our officially

861
01:27:11,450 --> 01:27:19,290
AMS license. The next step is they have to set us up for vehicle inspections. So we're working towards

862
01:27:19,290 --> 01:27:24,870
words, that ultimate goal of being able to better support our community in the AMS,

863
01:27:25,130 --> 01:27:25,590
right, through.

864
01:27:26,290 --> 01:27:27,950
And we do respond on all the calls.

865
01:27:28,450 --> 01:27:34,730
We are the first in all our AMS are, you know, EMPs, advanced EMPs, stuff like that.

866
01:27:35,190 --> 01:27:37,570
But we don't transport because of not covering shifts.

867
01:27:38,130 --> 01:27:38,650
Question.

868
01:27:39,030 --> 01:27:42,790
About a month, how many AMS calls on average?

869
01:27:43,670 --> 01:27:44,450
You know what I mean?

870
01:27:44,810 --> 01:27:46,130
What's our, how many do we get?

871
01:27:46,130 --> 01:27:49,430
We do about 48-year EMS calls.

872
01:27:51,250 --> 01:27:53,270
We do about half EMS half-fire.

873
01:27:53,370 --> 01:27:59,050
We have close to right around 90 to 100 calls a year, half of those usually are EMS half-fire.

874
01:28:02,510 --> 01:28:03,910
We've penciled this out before.

875
01:28:04,210 --> 01:28:07,110
We could, if we transport, because that's where you get the money in EMS, it's just your

876
01:28:07,110 --> 01:28:07,750
transport, right?

877
01:28:07,830 --> 01:28:08,450
Which we don't do.

878
01:28:09,030 --> 01:28:11,630
Because you have to have two people on shift to transport.

879
01:28:12,110 --> 01:28:16,550
We've ran the numbers and we could support paying people to be on a ship a lot like

880
01:28:16,550 --> 01:28:16,850
Salem.

881
01:28:17,030 --> 01:28:21,370
They'd be two bucks an hour for someone being on shift and then if you go on a transport

882
01:28:21,370 --> 01:28:24,170
year, you get 20 bucks for the transport or something like that, so it's not a lot.

883
01:28:26,030 --> 01:28:27,410
But and we've ran the numbers.

884
01:28:27,650 --> 01:28:33,610
We could, with the number of EMS calls we transport, we could pay to keep people on shift about

885
01:28:33,610 --> 01:28:34,010
that rate.

886
01:28:35,090 --> 01:28:39,370
But the challenge we have is just finding the amount of people but we're building there.

887
01:28:40,190 --> 01:28:50,790
This step we made with this licensing is now allows volunteers who volunteer with our city to get insurance through the state if they have no other way of getting insurance.

888
01:28:51,430 --> 01:28:54,610
So they can now go to the state and get get insured, a health insurance.

889
01:28:55,950 --> 01:28:59,830
So the 40 EMS calls you said, how many of those are transport calls?

890
01:29:00,790 --> 01:29:02,870
I don't know, Cassandra does all our transports.

891
01:29:03,130 --> 01:29:04,470
Okay, so we're not sure.

892
01:29:04,470 --> 01:29:13,410
majority of might say 95% okay so but we ran the numbers on the transports and

893
01:29:13,410 --> 01:29:17,130
then we can pretty much write about breaking even on calls and keeping people

894
01:29:17,130 --> 01:29:21,250
paid at this point but we're growing and we're just expecting for calls but

895
01:29:21,250 --> 01:29:26,730
here's also what's happening so we're getting our license here we've also been

896
01:29:26,730 --> 01:29:32,950
working say them has been revamping their fire in the semester so they brought

897
01:29:32,950 --> 01:29:37,550
the EAMS. They used to be separate departments. They're now, they brought their EAMS under their

898
01:29:37,550 --> 01:29:42,850
fire. And with the development that's going on in adjacent to our city and three bridges and

899
01:29:44,050 --> 01:29:50,410
for it in, for it in one down here, they are, we have always been part of Salem's department.

900
01:29:50,650 --> 01:29:54,330
With our own license, we're kind of pulling out of our own, we're still working hand in

901
01:29:54,330 --> 01:29:59,970
have a Salem. But we've usually been under Salem's license. It's how we run. We want to keep

902
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:29,320
Can you and they want to continue that relationship? Because they can't as well find the volunteers to run their shifts to keep all the people going to transport. So we're looking at working more together, especially when three bridges coming in. In other words, what would we call out? They help them as well with our EMT services. So then that would be a payment from Salem to us and if we serviced. Similar to fire. And they get paid for the transports right now that they have.

903
01:30:29,320 --> 01:30:41,580
what that's. Yeah. So our EMS is really needing to advance to keep up with the pace

904
01:30:41,580 --> 01:30:46,900
of what's going on in our city and the cities around us. In doing that our ambulance so

905
01:30:46,900 --> 01:30:54,480
we have is 26 years old. It's reaching near the end of its life and so we want to start

906
01:30:54,480 --> 01:30:59,500
looking around for a new ambulance so we can better provide better

907
01:30:59,500 --> 01:31:02,380
you know the better service but be prepared for transports and stuff like

908
01:31:02,380 --> 01:31:07,520
that because our ambulance right now won't transport we have to use savings. So

909
01:31:07,520 --> 01:31:11,800
in doing that we want to look for new ambulance. We as a city it's not worth it

910
01:31:11,800 --> 01:31:16,000
for us. New to us. For us it's not worth it to buy a brand new ambulance. We just

911
01:31:16,000 --> 01:31:20,140
don't have that kind of volume. Brand new ambulance is earth free and

912
01:31:22,000 --> 01:31:27,640
But the one we have is a very old ambulance and it gets a little bit risky sometimes.

913
01:31:27,980 --> 01:31:29,340
A lot of maintenance on it now.

914
01:31:30,020 --> 01:31:32,720
So we want to look for a better ambulance.

915
01:31:34,160 --> 01:31:40,760
We met with a rep who is actually the Santa Cruz Fire Chief who reps ambulance and sells her.

916
01:31:41,200 --> 01:31:45,560
He's going to look around a little bit, poking around with one of the top brand of ambulance as you can get.

917
01:31:46,560 --> 01:31:51,180
The ambulances are, he sent us so far three of them, these are Colossuage, they're very

918
01:31:51,180 --> 01:31:56,720
top of the line ambulance, they're like the ones you want, solid billet, stuff like

919
01:31:56,720 --> 01:31:56,960
that.

920
01:31:57,140 --> 01:32:00,920
Plus, they're the only ones that warranty their boxes for life.

921
01:32:01,400 --> 01:32:05,740
So if you need another ambulance or you don't have to buy the whole ambulance, you can just

922
01:32:05,740 --> 01:32:09,780
get the chassis, and they'll pull the box off and remount it for you.

923
01:32:10,180 --> 01:32:12,800
With a lifetime warranty, continue through the life.

924
01:32:12,800 --> 01:32:17,720
So then it saves a lot of money in the future if we already another one we don't have to buy a complete

925
01:32:17,720 --> 01:32:22,440
angle. So that's why we're looking at this brand. Use ones are running between $60,000,000. That's

926
01:32:22,440 --> 01:32:29,660
horrifying. Now, so what we wanted to do with these brands, once they come on the market, they're called

927
01:32:29,660 --> 01:32:32,820
a swage, they go very quickly. And you have to be grateful to trigger if you want one,

928
01:32:34,220 --> 01:32:40,380
because they just everyone calls them up. So what we were looking for is a kind of an authorization

929
01:32:41,460 --> 01:32:46,540
pending kind of review of the budget that we're going through right now and making sure that we can support

930
01:32:46,540 --> 01:32:52,160
floating this money. It's not going to be money that's going to be pulled just from the budget, not repaid.

931
01:32:52,720 --> 01:32:57,720
Because we're also selling our second engine. We're looking to sell that. We just don't use that engine.

932
01:32:59,660 --> 01:33:02,660
And so there's really no reason to keep paying you on to it.

933
01:33:04,300 --> 01:33:10,400
We, we, it was an advantage to us on our cruise with California, because then we had another

934
01:33:10,400 --> 01:33:15,200
engine or a seat to back it up by that engine with California, which made us quite, you

935
01:33:15,200 --> 01:33:16,920
know, made the city a lot of revenue on that fire.

936
01:33:17,840 --> 01:33:19,440
However, that's rare.

937
01:33:19,880 --> 01:33:20,340
That happens.

938
01:33:20,880 --> 01:33:25,680
I think our providing better emergency services within ambulance is probably more important

939
01:33:25,680 --> 01:33:26,440
for our community.

940
01:33:27,080 --> 01:33:34,700
So, we're looking to sell that the older engine and that would be money that would cover the cost of the end.

941
01:33:34,760 --> 01:33:36,280
How much do you think you can sell that older one for?

942
01:33:36,720 --> 01:33:41,100
Brian probably has a better handle, but I'm guessing over in six figures, over 100,000.

943
01:33:41,740 --> 01:33:41,960
Okay.

944
01:33:42,360 --> 01:33:48,020
Yeah, so I, and it's my fault I've been looking to get the estimates on this.

945
01:33:48,820 --> 01:33:53,000
And I've just been buried with work and I've not gotten that.

946
01:33:53,000 --> 01:34:04,020
I am trying to work on it this week, but yeah, we're definitely well into the six figures for that truck, especially with the mileage and everything in the four-wheel drive.

947
01:34:04,500 --> 01:34:14,260
It's a little bit unique for most cities. There is a market for it, so I want to be working towards getting that soon.

948
01:34:14,260 --> 01:34:21,260
So what we're on for is we get kind of a pending just review of this finances, making sure we're okay.

949
01:34:21,400 --> 01:34:24,040
The general fund to float the money to sell the engine.

950
01:34:24,580 --> 01:34:27,180
Get a kind of a pre approval if you will.

951
01:34:27,260 --> 01:34:31,640
So if we find something we like and it's going to go quickly that we can jump up pretty quick.

952
01:34:32,160 --> 01:34:37,680
Is there any part of this that would be wise to have the finance committee look at it or not really?

953
01:34:38,880 --> 01:34:40,460
I think it kind of just is what it is.

954
01:34:40,460 --> 01:34:43,960
You know what I mean is that it's there's options, right?

955
01:34:44,180 --> 01:34:48,200
It's not like you're looking at three or four options for you're just kind of looking at the one.

956
01:34:48,520 --> 01:34:50,380
Yeah, yeah, it really is a seem to her option.

957
01:34:50,380 --> 01:34:53,120
I mean if they want to look at it all by just not to see, okay, yeah,

958
01:34:53,160 --> 01:34:56,600
then we can just float this in the general fund, it's engine sales.

959
01:34:58,420 --> 01:35:03,220
But you're not looking at, but like in the past, we've looked at different options for trucks

960
01:35:03,220 --> 01:35:04,840
or whatever, but you're not this time.

961
01:35:05,100 --> 01:35:10,100
It's yeah, we think we've looked at, oh, sorry, go ahead, Brian.

962
01:35:10,100 --> 01:35:17,240
So what we're looking at, Janet, you're right, is this is more of a purchase rather than comparing purchases and leases.

963
01:35:17,700 --> 01:35:24,400
This is a huge purchase that we'd have to jump on pretty quickly because these go really fast because they're highly desirable.

964
01:35:26,060 --> 01:35:32,740
And really, we're looking more specifically at the one brand for the reason that it's a lifetime warranty on the box.

965
01:35:32,740 --> 01:35:42,160
Even if we were to buy one of these used, you know, the box still comes with the like on one team.

966
01:35:42,700 --> 01:35:44,600
So we can always just switch it out for a chassis.

967
01:35:44,780 --> 01:35:47,380
That saves you, you know, $170,000.

968
01:35:47,480 --> 01:35:49,320
New Amings is with $354,000.

969
01:35:50,020 --> 01:35:55,780
So you're asking $350,000 to have this specific one that has four-wheel drive.

970
01:35:56,020 --> 01:35:58,020
So it can go around all of the materials.

971
01:35:58,020 --> 01:36:05,140
We have a fair amount of EMS calls per year, right now our residents are paying

972
01:36:05,140 --> 01:36:11,360
Salem for that transport. So they have to come up here and then transport them. So

973
01:36:11,360 --> 01:36:16,820
this would save a little time on that and also then whoever is transported when

974
01:36:16,820 --> 01:36:21,380
they pay the transport fee instead of being paid to Salem, they would now pay it

975
01:36:21,380 --> 01:36:25,500
to us. You eventually, when we get transferred, yeah, when she get the transport,

976
01:36:25,500 --> 01:36:26,140
That's what I'm saying.

977
01:36:28,080 --> 01:36:32,100
And our engine that we have now, we are going to sell

978
01:36:32,100 --> 01:36:34,820
to help offset the cost of this $100,000.

979
01:36:34,820 --> 01:36:36,300
And probably more of the cover of the cost.

980
01:36:36,540 --> 01:36:39,080
So what we're saying, you're saying $150,000

981
01:36:39,080 --> 01:36:40,360
is a max authorization.

982
01:36:40,760 --> 01:36:43,320
We're likely, again, spending some around $80,000.

983
01:36:43,780 --> 01:36:45,480
$80,000, but we didn't want to lock ourselves

984
01:36:45,480 --> 01:36:47,400
in in case something comes up for $110,000.

985
01:36:47,520 --> 01:36:49,760
It's like a really nice one, and we got a great jump on it.

986
01:36:51,000 --> 01:36:54,340
The engine, when we sell that, we'll likely

987
01:36:54,340 --> 01:37:05,220
cover the entire cost of it. So it's kind of an F for a budget and zero if you're not an income for a budget for them. Follow up to that. I know with the engine, you know, after we got the new one last time.

988
01:37:05,920 --> 01:37:21,220
That there were there are things that have to be in place to make sure that it's up to date and so that it's beneficial to the city as well as to the firefighters is the same standard go for an ambulance where we would have to update it.

989
01:37:22,460 --> 01:37:27,620
pretty significantly in just a few years because it's already used, it's years are already passed.

990
01:37:28,060 --> 01:37:36,360
No, because the NFPAs want to try and govern fire engines. Amidances are through the state and they

991
01:37:36,360 --> 01:37:40,000
command inspect them. So when they're coming out, that's where scheduling right now, if there's new

992
01:37:40,000 --> 01:37:43,200
licensure we're doing, they're going to come out and inspect our engines, make sure it's up to snuff.

993
01:37:44,760 --> 01:37:50,020
But it's not in it, it's not like an NFPA with an engine. So they just come out and inspect every

994
01:37:50,020 --> 01:37:53,700
so often you know what you have your license they can have your inspector you know make sure that

995
01:37:53,700 --> 01:38:00,040
you when you have lunch do we think we have our license it's it's well so we've got our license

996
01:38:00,040 --> 01:38:04,320
they just haven't given us the number until we do the inspection oh okay and we were hoping to have

997
01:38:04,320 --> 01:38:10,520
the new ambulance for the inspection or they'll come and do an inspection yeah we just want to

998
01:38:10,520 --> 01:38:14,620
be able to so we've got this guy looking around for us because these things are finding you know he

999
01:38:14,620 --> 01:38:21,320
finds he's been looking for weeks and he's found like three and they're all one West Virginia

1000
01:38:21,320 --> 01:38:26,800
want to call Rado and they're I mean one one I'm already gone so we just want to be able

1001
01:38:26,800 --> 01:38:33,460
to to be able to quickly so quickly if we need to have there been like specific downy

1002
01:38:33,460 --> 01:38:43,440
incidences with our current ambulance I mean maybe I'm just saying maybe a share one or two I'm

1003
01:38:43,440 --> 01:38:46,380
not anything private but just the scenario.

1004
01:38:47,000 --> 01:38:51,820
So I'll report the good news is for public is we've always got to say those amulets coming

1005
01:38:51,820 --> 01:38:55,300
right now because they transport so even if ours goes down but there's still an ambulance

1006
01:38:55,300 --> 01:38:56,120
on the way regardless.

1007
01:38:56,980 --> 01:39:02,960
But we do have backup protocol in place so we've got our brush truck our type 6 brush truck

1008
01:39:02,960 --> 01:39:08,020
we also keep medical gear on that and if we show up at the station and something has happened

1009
01:39:08,020 --> 01:39:10,500
to the ambulance which it has before it was dead.

1010
01:39:10,500 --> 01:39:18,120
that we can quickly load gear under a brush truck and go just as a medical crew on the brush

1011
01:39:18,120 --> 01:39:18,340
truck.

1012
01:39:18,580 --> 01:39:20,000
We still have all the same equipment.

1013
01:39:20,360 --> 01:39:24,560
We can still do provide all the same services versus going to show the brush truck and then

1014
01:39:24,560 --> 01:39:25,520
say it comes to transport.

1015
01:39:25,680 --> 01:39:29,840
So it doesn't really change the way we respond in a call and we just go to a different truck.

1016
01:39:30,220 --> 01:39:31,320
That hopefully is running.

1017
01:39:31,940 --> 01:39:32,180
Yeah.

1018
01:39:32,820 --> 01:39:33,460
Well, yeah.

1019
01:39:33,880 --> 01:39:34,640
So that's a brush truck.

1020
01:39:34,780 --> 01:39:36,280
Oh, but we've got the new brush truck.

1021
01:39:36,280 --> 01:39:36,820
It's back now.

1022
01:39:36,860 --> 01:39:38,060
They're back in Texas or fireproof.

1023
01:39:38,540 --> 01:39:38,960
Oh, okay.

1024
01:39:38,960 --> 01:39:40,700
Did they suspect today?

1025
01:39:41,040 --> 01:39:41,220
Yeah.

1026
01:39:41,740 --> 01:39:42,460
Is that for you?

1027
01:39:42,940 --> 01:39:44,400
I saw it struck that it's morning.

1028
01:39:44,800 --> 01:39:44,960
Yeah.

1029
01:39:45,780 --> 01:39:48,740
So that's what our desire is.

1030
01:39:48,860 --> 01:39:53,120
And once again, it's a net wash or hopefully net income.

1031
01:39:53,760 --> 01:39:55,560
And we sell it the engine.

1032
01:39:56,300 --> 01:40:01,120
But I think an ambulance right now is working with a second engine for us just because we don't use that second engine.

1033
01:40:01,820 --> 01:40:03,120
Except for Santa.

1034
01:40:04,300 --> 01:40:19,980
I'm curious about additional costs, obviously the medical supplies get rotated through, but I'm curious what insurance costs change once we get to start transporting for us for the city.

1035
01:40:20,440 --> 01:40:24,760
Yeah, I mean, would you transport with the ambits are we paying as though we are like.

1036
01:40:26,220 --> 01:40:34,020
So, I don't think the insurance changes a whole lot for us, as far as, because you

1037
01:40:36,900 --> 01:40:39,780
mean insurance by covering a something where to happen?

1038
01:40:40,680 --> 01:40:42,720
Yeah, more insurance when you have to transfer.

1039
01:40:42,740 --> 01:40:47,280
If we start to transfer, we have higher liability.

1040
01:40:47,640 --> 01:40:54,980
EMS and they just upheld this legislation. EMS are covered by the governmental immunity act, so we really have no liability.

1041
01:40:54,980 --> 01:40:58,720
But we do carry vehicle insurance and all that stuff.

1042
01:40:59,440 --> 01:41:03,140
But they just had this last legislation,

1043
01:41:03,500 --> 01:41:05,740
the legislation kind of upheld that,

1044
01:41:05,840 --> 01:41:07,560
because it was challenged this last year.

1045
01:41:09,020 --> 01:41:11,740
And so the judge, the courts,

1046
01:41:12,020 --> 01:41:16,460
over the challenge of,

1047
01:41:16,460 --> 01:41:19,620
and upheld the governmental immunity in the legislation this year.

1048
01:41:20,100 --> 01:41:21,140
That helps life life.

1049
01:41:21,900 --> 01:41:22,200
Yeah.

1050
01:41:23,860 --> 01:41:29,140
One thing to mention, we're not looking to do transports in the near future.

1051
01:41:30,220 --> 01:41:33,680
This is not something like we're going to start transporting in six months folks.

1052
01:41:33,900 --> 01:41:36,940
This is, we don't have the people to do that.

1053
01:41:38,780 --> 01:41:52,040
This is getting our current services capable of responding to our residents and then the

1054
01:41:52,040 --> 01:41:54,340
safety of our first responders as well.

1055
01:41:56,640 --> 01:41:59,680
We're talking about making money and once we start

1056
01:41:59,680 --> 01:42:05,520
making money on transporting, we have the people that can do that. It should cover

1057
01:42:05,520 --> 01:42:12,120
itself with all the fees and the costs and everything else that are involved in it.

1058
01:42:12,260 --> 01:42:18,820
But what we're talking about now is our the current response that we have. We cover one

1059
01:42:18,820 --> 01:42:27,740
person 24-7-365 in the city. One EMT that is able to take that ambulance and go to a scene.

1060
01:42:28,160 --> 01:42:33,920
What we want to do is make sure that ambulance gets to the scene safely and can get to the scene.

1061
01:42:36,180 --> 01:42:40,920
And that's what we're talking about here. We've had multiple times where the ambulance has

1062
01:42:40,920 --> 01:42:48,460
not work. And I've made help maintain this equipment and I hate to say it, but having

1063
01:42:48,460 --> 01:42:57,280
Greg in our as our fire chief, he was one of the best auto mechanics I have ever seen and was

1064
01:42:57,280 --> 01:43:02,840
able to keep things going longer than he should have. And Ted is being nice when he says it's approaching

1065
01:43:02,840 --> 01:43:14,200
it's life cycle. This is an old fire truck and Salem's response time, another thing to think about,

1066
01:43:15,000 --> 01:43:19,120
Salem's response time has increased by over five minutes. They moved to the new station.

1067
01:43:21,080 --> 01:43:28,300
So we're not getting that response from Salem, so we're being relied on even more

1068
01:43:29,130 --> 01:43:32,120
when our first responders are being called to a call.

1069
01:43:35,340 --> 01:43:39,560
and we need to be able to get to those calls.

1070
01:43:39,960 --> 01:43:42,220
And that's what the chief is trying to do

1071
01:43:42,700 --> 01:43:44,840
and Rachel's trying to do is make sure

1072
01:43:45,480 --> 01:43:50,220
and I'm balancing this with my roles as a city councilman

1073
01:43:51,840 --> 01:43:54,800
and a firefighter and first responder

1074
01:43:55,900 --> 01:44:00,100
but this has to do with getting to a scene safely

1075
01:44:00,960 --> 01:44:03,640
protecting our first responders and actually getting to that scene.

1076
01:44:03,900 --> 01:44:08,320
There are times when we use the box of the truck when we have carbon monoxide incidents

1077
01:44:08,320 --> 01:44:13,080
and stuff like that where we need to get people out of a home in a winter time and we'll

1078
01:44:13,080 --> 01:44:15,800
put them inside of the ambulance inside the box.

1079
01:44:16,480 --> 01:44:21,620
We have equipment in there, this life saving, that we take into our calls, but we've got to

1080
01:44:21,620 --> 01:44:27,760
get that equipment to the scene and it's important not to be jumping, grabbing stuff and jumping

1081
01:44:27,760 --> 01:44:33,520
into another truck because it all, everybody has talked about muscle memory and things like

1082
01:44:33,520 --> 01:44:39,200
that and those are really important so that we know what we have where it's at when this happens

1083
01:44:39,200 --> 01:44:45,360
because when that adrenaline's up and moving and you're dealing with somebody that you know or a

1084
01:44:45,360 --> 01:44:52,380
child or whatever the case may be, we want that muscle memory and so we need a good piece of apparatus

1085
01:44:52,380 --> 01:44:59,820
is going to get us there and get us there safely and if we happen to have it, once we get to transport, we'll be ready for that.

1086
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:29,700
But I don't want anybody to think that we're going to start transporting right away and start making money. That's not what we're talking about. Yeah, we're not transporting within the year. Two, a two part, then, from the beginning. We've got to start that step for us. Now, there is discussions of shared with Salem. That could be happening. Make it happen a little quicker than we'd be ready, because we've got pretty much as many certifying EMTs as Salem. All right. So, and we, we go to all the Salem trainings and stuff like that. We trained together with Salem on the EMS night.

1087
01:45:29,700 --> 01:45:37,660
So and there's been, there's been talks of them not having enough people also to help with their city as a screwing so there might be some shared resource there.

1088
01:45:37,940 --> 01:45:43,620
So we may be going outside of our city on the call to help them and they come in our city.

1089
01:45:43,620 --> 01:45:44,880
So we're jointly supporting each other.

1090
01:45:44,900 --> 01:45:49,920
So so we have to live so in this two part thing then why we need a new ambulance.

1091
01:45:50,240 --> 01:45:56,740
One is just to respond directly to our residents, even if transport is going to continue through Salem.

1092
01:45:56,740 --> 01:46:03,760
and the other is to have something on the hand that we use as reliable that when we do get the

1093
01:46:03,760 --> 01:46:10,120
opportunity to transport we're ready to go and that the mess muscle memory is there, Salem may want

1094
01:46:10,120 --> 01:46:16,400
us to have a joint agreement with them to start responding sooner to their people as well as to our

1095
01:46:16,400 --> 01:46:21,160
people is what you just said. The Jason Dorsey. Jason Dorsey. I'm not going to say it on my back because our

1096
01:46:21,160 --> 01:46:25,800
response time would be enough, but we've got three bridges coming in and we're actually closer than

1097
01:46:25,800 --> 01:46:31,060
right. And then there's some discussions of the responses there. I mentioned that we don't have

1098
01:46:31,060 --> 01:46:38,900
enough people yet. How many more people do we need in our EMS program to make it viable? That's

1099
01:46:38,900 --> 01:46:43,980
a good question. We don't know. That's hard to say because that's a hard question and it's

1100
01:46:43,980 --> 01:46:49,600
everyone has 47. Yeah. You got to have two people once you have 24-7 and it depends on what level

1101
01:46:49,600 --> 01:46:54,480
you're talking about. So if we transport as a basic, you can have two basic EMTs. So it'd be whenever

1102
01:46:54,480 --> 01:46:58,680
we could get to be it because it depends on not only how many but what their

1103
01:46:58,680 --> 01:47:03,560
availability is right if we get 10 people but they all work daytime well that

1104
01:47:03,560 --> 01:47:06,900
doesn't really help us during the daytime if we get five people but they're all

1105
01:47:06,900 --> 01:47:10,680
available during the day table that helps us a lot more so it's kind of there's a

1106
01:47:10,680 --> 01:47:16,780
lot of variables there or if we go like Salem where they're an advanced

1107
01:47:18,360 --> 01:47:21,440
transport then we need more events you have to use right now there's three of us

1108
01:47:21,440 --> 01:47:26,420
that are advanced. And so we need to get more advanced MPs because they have to have one

1109
01:47:26,420 --> 01:47:30,280
advanced MP on shift all the time. Right. Right. I know I was talking about the data

1110
01:47:30,700 --> 01:47:34,800
there. They would just do some things with their advanced. And I wasn't really sure where

1111
01:47:34,800 --> 01:47:39,560
we were on that. So we've got three advanced in the city right now. And we've got some

1112
01:47:39,560 --> 01:47:47,540
more of their head at that direction. We've got, what, probably ten basics somewhere around

1113
01:47:47,540 --> 01:47:54,700
EMTs. I mean, pretty much all the people that go on our EMS calls are EMTs. Okay.

1114
01:47:55,200 --> 01:47:59,180
We usually don't go on EMTs. And the ones that are on SHIFT are EMTs.

1115
01:47:59,400 --> 01:48:04,000
They get as stipend for that. No. So the $2 that you were talking about,

1116
01:48:04,800 --> 01:48:08,620
if they transport, they get that. Because we can't support as stipend right now,

1117
01:48:08,620 --> 01:48:12,360
because we don't transport. No, everybody's on SHIFT right now, just volunteers are

1118
01:48:12,360 --> 01:48:21,720
to be a ship. It's amazing. Massive sacrifices. Yeah. Because they're a lot better. They have to be

1119
01:48:21,720 --> 01:48:28,080
here. It becomes a ship. They become the 24 hours and needing two people at a time, 24 hours.

1120
01:48:28,220 --> 01:48:33,480
That's a big commitment. So yeah, yeah, we've got about nine of us that rotate ships right now.

1121
01:48:34,320 --> 01:48:41,540
The other nine of us 24 hours a day. So you're covering nine to ten shifts a month and they're

1122
01:48:41,540 --> 01:48:42,360
12-hour shifts.

1123
01:48:42,920 --> 01:48:43,040
Okay.

1124
01:48:43,900 --> 01:48:50,180
Be aware, we have some equipment in this current box that was purchased through grant

1125
01:48:50,180 --> 01:48:53,460
monies right after COVID, really expensive things.

1126
01:48:53,620 --> 01:48:58,500
The gurney, there's all kinds of equipment and that will all transfer into the new monthly.

1127
01:48:59,020 --> 01:48:59,300
Yeah.

1128
01:48:59,640 --> 01:49:00,600
So that will help a lot.

1129
01:49:00,840 --> 01:49:02,280
New gurney was amazing.

1130
01:49:02,960 --> 01:49:03,140
Damn.

1131
01:49:03,720 --> 01:49:06,600
I'm really curious, you know, we are so small compared to sale.

1132
01:49:06,600 --> 01:49:07,640
We

1133
01:49:10,040 --> 01:49:18,480
join so often, is there not a way to join this more tightly, the EMS person?

1134
01:49:19,400 --> 01:49:20,520
So we become one.

1135
01:49:21,560 --> 01:49:29,320
So we were, we're actually for the last, since we've existed, we've learned how to say this license.

1136
01:49:29,860 --> 01:49:33,380
In other words, we're like a division of sale up here, and they transport.

1137
01:49:33,380 --> 01:49:39,160
the downside of that with this new legislation is that does not allow EMTs to get a shirts,

1138
01:49:39,860 --> 01:49:41,560
because we have to have the whole license to get a shirts.

1139
01:49:42,200 --> 01:49:47,440
So, we are getting our own license so that we, sorry, EMTs can't get a shirts, can get

1140
01:49:47,440 --> 01:49:48,840
a shirt, can't get a shirts, can't get a shirts, can't get a shirts, can't get a shirt.

1141
01:49:49,000 --> 01:49:54,060
However, we are still doing the same, not the license but we train with them every mile.

1142
01:49:54,220 --> 01:50:02,320
It's like we could use our truck if the people in South and in Salem are a level two or

1143
01:50:02,320 --> 01:50:06,040
or whatever, it's like how we'd be more integrated in.

1144
01:50:06,480 --> 01:50:08,480
We're not changing the way we operate with Sailing.

1145
01:50:08,820 --> 01:50:09,740
We're just changing our license.

1146
01:50:10,800 --> 01:50:12,120
We work back and forth.

1147
01:50:12,320 --> 01:50:13,200
We actually are on the same,

1148
01:50:13,560 --> 01:50:15,320
so you use a program called Image Trend

1149
01:50:15,320 --> 01:50:17,420
when you go on a call where you're recording.

1150
01:50:18,020 --> 01:50:19,220
We all have the same program,

1151
01:50:19,400 --> 01:50:20,800
so we can start recording when Sailing

1152
01:50:20,800 --> 01:50:22,640
gets everything we can get out of the same program.

1153
01:50:23,540 --> 01:50:24,880
We train with them a lot,

1154
01:50:24,960 --> 01:50:26,680
we're friends with them and know of a well,

1155
01:50:27,860 --> 01:50:29,140
every industry needs with them.

1156
01:50:29,820 --> 01:50:34,080
So, it's not changing the way we work with them, just kind of the licensing aspect of it.

1157
01:50:34,220 --> 01:50:40,240
So, we could start transporting if we did a more integrated partnership.

1158
01:50:41,380 --> 01:50:43,860
What will happen before we get all the way there?

1159
01:50:44,340 --> 01:50:45,740
We'll be there a second time.

1160
01:50:46,040 --> 01:50:46,540
We'll be there.

1161
01:50:47,000 --> 01:50:47,220
Yeah.

1162
01:50:48,780 --> 01:50:50,020
That's what we're working on.

1163
01:50:50,220 --> 01:50:50,960
It just takes a while.

1164
01:50:51,240 --> 01:50:51,860
That's what we're working on.

1165
01:50:52,520 --> 01:50:53,240
It just takes a while.

1166
01:50:53,240 --> 01:50:54,040
That's what we're working on.

1167
01:50:54,040 --> 01:50:54,700
Yeah.

1168
01:50:55,140 --> 01:50:57,500
There's a lot of people in our GMS services.

1169
01:50:58,920 --> 01:50:59,400
Yeah.

1170
01:51:01,040 --> 01:51:01,260
Yeah.

1171
01:51:01,660 --> 01:51:05,860
The more important reason we wanted to push this licensure was so we could get eligible for

1172
01:51:05,860 --> 01:51:10,100
that insurance to hopefully incentivize more people to be able to get here.

1173
01:51:10,420 --> 01:51:10,560
Yeah.

1174
01:51:10,560 --> 01:51:15,240
That's why the state does this because they have EMS departments throughout the state, especially

1175
01:51:15,240 --> 01:51:17,640
small-volved peer agencies have a lot of time to get involved here.

1176
01:51:18,340 --> 01:51:23,700
So this is something the state does which helps these volunteer agencies, smaller agencies,

1177
01:51:23,700 --> 01:51:27,820
use a track for volunteers. That's what we're told me. That's what we've got our own license.

1178
01:51:27,860 --> 01:51:32,820
And now we can offer this insurance to the state. It's not handled by us at all. They work with

1179
01:51:32,820 --> 01:51:37,480
the state in the insurance and all that stuff. But it opens them up with the eligibility to do that.

1180
01:51:37,500 --> 01:51:42,840
So that hopefully attracts more volunteers for us. That's probably the reason we did this.

1181
01:51:43,960 --> 01:51:49,460
Just to make it super clear, there's a state funds paying for that. Yeah, we don't know. Yeah,

1182
01:51:49,460 --> 01:51:53,040
It's a state-funded program, not a state program.

1183
01:51:53,340 --> 01:51:55,360
It's quite a bit of a job set.

1184
01:51:56,820 --> 01:51:58,320
And I'm aware of that.

1185
01:51:58,620 --> 01:52:00,000
I'm not saying that you're exact.

1186
01:52:02,820 --> 01:52:03,320
Perfect.

1187
01:52:04,240 --> 01:52:04,380
Okay.

1188
01:52:05,160 --> 01:52:10,760
Any other questions concerning the potential approval for Ted?

1189
01:52:11,520 --> 01:52:12,160
No, it's a net.

1190
01:52:12,360 --> 01:52:12,700
I'm okay.

1191
01:52:13,560 --> 01:52:15,080
I'm always a no-zero employee, Jane.

1192
01:52:17,360 --> 01:52:21,440
I just, in my mind, I'm calculating, what are you going to sell to buy the helicopter?

1193
01:52:23,620 --> 01:52:24,140
Dooral.

1194
01:52:25,660 --> 01:52:27,480
He's selling Dooral for the helicopter.

1195
01:52:28,380 --> 01:52:30,160
Dooral for sale.

1196
01:52:32,160 --> 01:52:33,800
We want to take Dooral.

1197
01:52:34,120 --> 01:52:35,240
Update on city grants.

1198
01:52:35,780 --> 01:52:37,700
So we have two grants in the works right now.

1199
01:52:37,900 --> 01:52:38,940
Both of them are due on Friday.

1200
01:52:40,300 --> 01:52:41,700
I think we're getting close.

1201
01:52:42,160 --> 01:52:43,760
So I'll talk about your one first.

1202
01:52:43,760 --> 01:52:47,860
That's the one that's through the DNR for Pickleball court.

1203
01:52:49,320 --> 01:52:54,640
We had this, we submitted it last Friday, the state reviewed it, just as a courtesy review.

1204
01:52:55,340 --> 01:52:56,380
I gave some good feedback.

1205
01:52:58,060 --> 01:53:02,160
Not a lot of things to correct in what we had in the grant.

1206
01:53:02,920 --> 01:53:06,440
So I'm going back through that right now and just updating some of that based on some of their feedback.

1207
01:53:06,880 --> 01:53:08,160
We also need a letter.

1208
01:53:09,760 --> 01:53:14,820
Yeah, is it weird if I'm a council member but I play every Wednesday and I drive to

1209
01:53:14,820 --> 01:53:19,000
Springville so I might be the one to write the letter. So what I think would be helpful

1210
01:53:19,000 --> 01:53:25,640
on the letter is that he was she kind of did a little sentence but it's not yeah and they're

1211
01:53:25,640 --> 01:53:32,440
not looking for this helps me as a member of William Hills. This helps the community. This has been one

1212
01:53:32,440 --> 01:53:37,740
of PTR's top priorities for several years. Well I have been the one that's so you want to speak

1213
01:53:37,740 --> 01:53:42,020
have the respective PTR say, you know, and I would say that right and letter. This has been a

1214
01:53:42,020 --> 01:53:47,980
top priority to PTR for the last several years. Funding this project would open up PTR's ability to

1215
01:53:47,980 --> 01:53:55,500
offer different venues at this facility and to open up more PTR programs and stuff like that.

1216
01:53:55,960 --> 01:54:01,800
So, I'll write it and I'll have maybe, maybe I can have Sherry Coast, I'll text her, have her

1217
01:54:01,800 --> 01:54:04,260
co-sign with me or something. Yeah. Is that work? Yeah.

1218
01:54:04,820 --> 01:54:07,580
Okay. Um, I'll work on it tonight and in the morning. Okay.

1219
01:54:08,060 --> 01:54:10,960
I've got it uploaded on Thursday. I'll get it to you.

1220
01:54:11,660 --> 01:54:15,480
I know. I was hoping Michelle never responded. I was hoping that she would ride it,

1221
01:54:15,480 --> 01:54:19,600
but she never. Okay. She's a little slow respond. So then Jenny jumped in, but

1222
01:54:20,140 --> 01:54:25,660
I can do it. And then I'll text Sherry. She's responding on text. So, um, yeah,

1223
01:54:25,760 --> 01:54:28,180
she's texting me the day to you. I can run it by her and then

1224
01:54:28,180 --> 01:54:30,780
and have her say yes, and she put her name on it.

1225
01:54:30,860 --> 01:54:31,560
Yeah, yeah.

1226
01:54:31,960 --> 01:54:33,840
And then you want to talk about the benefits to PGR,

1227
01:54:33,940 --> 01:54:35,400
because we're looking at local groups

1228
01:54:35,400 --> 01:54:36,640
and how it benefits them.

1229
01:54:37,020 --> 01:54:38,600
Okay, I can do that.

1230
01:54:38,620 --> 01:54:41,200
And I know just for our side of town,

1231
01:54:41,340 --> 01:54:44,500
there's a pickleball club, I guess you could call it,

1232
01:54:44,700 --> 01:54:48,600
that meet every week, maybe a few times a week.

1233
01:54:49,360 --> 01:54:51,060
And so there are some other people

1234
01:54:51,060 --> 01:54:53,300
who are actively engaged.

1235
01:54:53,720 --> 01:54:55,480
Missy Flint, kind of.

1236
01:54:55,480 --> 01:54:57,460
Okay. I was going to say one who was this organization.

1237
01:54:58,480 --> 01:54:58,560
Yeah.

1238
01:54:59,320 --> 01:54:59,620
Yeah.

1239
01:54:59,860 --> 01:55:03,660
I'm kind of updating based on some of the other comments, but just the letter.

1240
01:55:04,660 --> 01:55:04,900
Okay.

1241
01:55:05,120 --> 01:55:06,220
We can do it from PTR.

1242
01:55:06,620 --> 01:55:06,760
Okay.

1243
01:55:07,340 --> 01:55:07,420
Okay.

1244
01:55:07,740 --> 01:55:17,540
The second grant is the community project funding grant through Congressman Owens Office for

1245
01:55:17,540 --> 01:55:18,280
a federal earmark.

1246
01:55:18,700 --> 01:55:21,740
I'm working on an application for that one for $3.9 million.

1247
01:55:21,740 --> 01:55:30,400
dollars. That would do phase two of our water system upgrade, replacing all of our old six

1248
01:55:30,400 --> 01:55:35,600
inch water line over on Maple and that area where it's over 50 years old. We have all kinds of

1249
01:55:35,600 --> 01:55:41,220
issues over there. We've applied for it several times. Yeah, we've applied for it. Maybe this is

1250
01:55:41,220 --> 01:55:45,260
the year. I think we've got a really good application going this year.

1251
01:55:47,720 --> 01:55:49,080
I just need a couple of some

1252
01:55:49,080 --> 01:55:54,420
Letters from that that maybe forward you to just barely and send me stuff to

1253
01:55:55,380 --> 01:55:57,440
rents supposed to be meaning I haven't had my

1254
01:55:58,060 --> 01:56:02,220
email working for a few weeks now and rents supposed to meet me after counts

1255
01:56:02,220 --> 01:56:06,260
meeting to get it upgraded so I can see what you sent me but if not I might need

1256
01:56:06,260 --> 01:56:10,240
you to send it to me another way. Let's talk after. If they can put it on their

1257
01:56:10,240 --> 01:56:15,400
letter. Because then I can get those letters to you quickly. And I did reach out to

1258
01:56:15,400 --> 01:56:19,040
say that I'm today their city manager and fire chief and they'll sign a letter supporting

1259
01:56:19,040 --> 01:56:22,960
that because it's a part of the system that interconnects with them for our other

1260
01:56:22,960 --> 01:56:28,320
source so it's not always helps with the money when it's multi-regional.

1261
01:56:28,660 --> 01:56:34,280
Yeah yeah that's kind of how I've been writing this one because it is I asked the state if

1262
01:56:34,280 --> 01:56:41,440
they'd be willing to sign one they said sorry the Utah forgery fire state lands because of

1263
01:56:41,440 --> 01:56:46,900
because of the wildfire potential above us and having water available for them, but they said we just can't sorry

1264
01:56:46,900 --> 01:56:51,260
We can't play favorites with municipalities, so we just don't sign anything basically

1265
01:56:52,940 --> 01:56:56,120
What a quote. Thank you

1266
01:56:57,620 --> 01:57:01,600
Department of patents so community development public works fired apartment

1267
01:57:02,620 --> 01:57:05,000
Fire department you guys should have seen door of the day

1268
01:57:09,520 --> 01:57:16,600
He did a good job driving in places that we were in some tight spots but we went on that fire spanish port

1269
01:57:16,600 --> 01:57:24,340
and I was a big fire. They dated us. They needed us. We were right on the flame front putting out a fire before it's getting to houses.

1270
01:57:24,340 --> 01:57:33,980
10 acres. What started it? They don't know. So I'm under investigation. I had to

1271
01:57:33,980 --> 01:57:37,260
have been mad cause they just don't know. They said they get kids down in

1272
01:57:37,260 --> 01:57:47,120
there all the time doing staff. So there's some good rumors. Several people that

1273
01:57:47,120 --> 01:57:56,620
stated it was an odd man they do get we have to be on the side of the fire where the owners of

1274
01:57:56,620 --> 01:57:59,600
the property were standing there and they were telling us they get some homeless down in there

1275
01:58:00,600 --> 01:58:08,780
that's what I heard you kids all the time now so that's that's what they were still there in their

1276
01:58:08,780 --> 01:58:16,840
investigation four hours three hours today on that fire so they're all got some cool pictures

1277
01:58:22,200 --> 01:58:28,820
You know, it was in some heavy tamarisk and Russian olives and those high dry cat tails.

1278
01:58:29,380 --> 01:58:36,100
So to suit your lower position, I had Chief Nicholson on one nozzle and Chief Hale on the other nozzle.

1279
01:58:36,220 --> 01:58:39,840
So I tried to keep the water running, you know, expression.

1280
01:58:40,260 --> 01:58:41,160
And he did a good job.

1281
01:58:41,800 --> 01:58:43,060
And he kept both of this in water.

1282
01:58:45,400 --> 01:58:49,460
You know, I've talked in the past also about a brush track, possibly looking at a brush

1283
01:58:49,460 --> 01:58:49,760
track.

1284
01:58:50,620 --> 01:58:55,740
I'm kind of a little bit more on a pause on that one.

1285
01:58:56,320 --> 01:58:59,860
I want to see how this season is going to turn out, as I mentioned before, we've made

1286
01:58:59,860 --> 01:59:06,200
about 200,000 revenue off that wildland fire program over the last four years, kind of been

1287
01:59:06,200 --> 01:59:10,920
saving that to replace our old 2006 brush track so we can keep this revenue generating program

1288
01:59:10,920 --> 01:59:15,240
going the kind of what's

1289
01:59:15,240 --> 01:59:16,240
going to happen with our crew this

1290
01:59:16,240 --> 01:59:17,600
year. So I'm going to see how the fire

1291
01:59:17,600 --> 01:59:18,880
year goes. It looks like a great fire

1292
01:59:18,880 --> 01:59:20,140
year again. And then I think it'll be

1293
01:59:20,140 --> 01:59:22,000
time. Great. I our year. We hate the

1294
01:59:22,000 --> 01:59:25,000
same. Yeah. Yeah. So now she's more on

1295
01:59:25,000 --> 01:59:27,280
it. It is. We hate the fires.

1296
01:59:27,920 --> 01:59:30,400
But I don't know somewhere else

1297
01:59:30,400 --> 01:59:32,100
were fine, but not when they're

1298
01:59:32,100 --> 01:59:33,880
hearing. We're able to go outside of our

1299
01:59:33,880 --> 01:59:35,620
city and help others. We're so grateful

1300
01:59:35,620 --> 01:59:39,120
over. Yeah. Helping people.

1301
01:59:39,120 --> 01:59:49,780
Yes, so I'm pausing that one probably till summertime and we'll see how the fire year's going and seeing what we're looking like and then maybe pick that back up in that conversation.

1302
01:59:51,400 --> 01:59:59,900
And then just lastly our crew got back from Texas today, so they were in Texas for all of us 17 or 18 days total.

1303
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:28,860
They were gone. It seemed like a long time. Yeah. Yeah. So that's great. They're getting, I mean, not great for Texas, but it's great for us because the revenue generates for the city and they starting early in this year or so. How about that fire? Is that were they able to take care of the fire? Is that fire contained or which in Texas? There was actually no fire in Texas to speak up. They weren't called to a fire. They were called to what they called prepositioning.

1304
02:00:30,480 --> 02:00:36,000
where they basically, when there are high fire warings in certain areas of the United States,

1305
02:00:36,180 --> 02:00:38,300
they want to get as many resources in place.

1306
02:00:38,820 --> 02:00:40,040
So that's what we want.

1307
02:00:40,380 --> 02:00:41,600
That is no fire.

1308
02:00:44,020 --> 02:00:45,480
They sent me a book.

1309
02:00:46,300 --> 02:00:50,140
Yeah, so they'll go to Texas and Texas pays them to be there.

1310
02:00:50,780 --> 02:00:54,400
And they'll be, what they call, they put them on, they call IA, initial attack.

1311
02:00:54,400 --> 02:01:00,760
So they're ready, they're, they're ready to go in case something breaks big like this help because they were having all those fires local home at the time

1312
02:01:00,760 --> 02:01:05,080
And they were coming up to the Texas border so they were getting nervous with the high fire conditions coming

1313
02:01:05,080 --> 02:01:11,540
So they had a number of agencies there. It was actually the state of Utah Center Strike Task Force. Our group was part of that strike

1314
02:01:11,540 --> 02:01:12,040
Task Force

1315
02:01:13,280 --> 02:01:14,280
They're all back today

1316
02:01:15,840 --> 02:01:21,460
So they did actually get out of line think one or two fires whether or down there they kicked off, you know, day, day long

1317
02:01:21,460 --> 02:01:29,220
take incidents. So I think that's all I've got. Okay. Wayne, code enforcement. Anything?

1318
02:01:33,330 --> 02:01:42,490
Now let me update you a bit on that. What we call a haywood subdivision. I mentioned to you

1319
02:01:42,490 --> 02:01:52,010
probably more than a month ago about it. They're still getting things together to meet the conditions

1320
02:01:52,010 --> 02:01:57,750
that a planning commission gave them for approval of their subdivision, and it's been a

1321
02:01:58,210 --> 02:02:02,670
ten-night battle with them quite a bit in getting information.

1322
02:02:02,990 --> 02:02:10,330
This is where we're exchanging some water shares with them for the right-of-way for

1323
02:02:10,330 --> 02:02:15,110
the future trail system and working that out in agreement with our attorney.

1324
02:02:15,310 --> 02:02:19,950
So there's been a lot of really hiccups along the way, and that's the reason I haven't started

1325
02:02:19,950 --> 02:02:26,230
yet because they're still collecting the information that they need to have for the final

1326
02:02:26,230 --> 02:02:31,650
approval. So we're working with them on and it's going forward to just a little slower than

1327
02:02:32,170 --> 02:02:37,210
what we thought. I was wondering because it seemed like they were kind of started and then just

1328
02:02:37,790 --> 02:02:42,470
yeah they did some demolition over there of the tennis court, took that down and

1329
02:02:42,470 --> 02:02:50,450
The guy they've sold a one home to he's been inside and got it it and but they haven't

1330
02:02:50,450 --> 02:02:57,850
done any starting on the infrastructure or anything yet so and then as Ben mentioned

1331
02:02:57,850 --> 02:03:04,350
bust the time and in our planning commission meetings taken up with review of the general

1332
02:03:04,350 --> 02:03:10,630
plan and working through that and so it's going good there's probably not as many changes

1333
02:03:10,630 --> 02:03:17,550
as we thought there might be. I think committee get a good job in their work and putting the

1334
02:03:17,550 --> 02:03:26,550
basics of that together. So that's coming along. I put a little article in the newsletter

1335
02:03:27,040 --> 02:03:34,890
if you've read it about the noisy breaks that the trucks have and tried to highlight everybody's

1336
02:03:34,890 --> 02:03:40,350
concern about it and let them know it's a safety feature and we've talked to a

1337
02:03:40,350 --> 02:03:44,670
number of the trucking companies and they're pretty adamant about using that

1338
02:03:44,670 --> 02:03:52,630
and I'm glad it's a safety feature in our city and I hope we've with my

1339
02:03:52,630 --> 02:03:57,050
article people understand and realize that a little bit more.

1340
02:04:02,030 --> 02:04:10,610
I know our leadership are staff, but specifically, those of us who respond to these incidents.

1341
02:04:11,650 --> 02:04:15,610
And I have a person since I've been here. I've seen three truck drivers, dump trucks.

1342
02:04:16,230 --> 02:04:21,750
Now I know you can say, well, they can try and there's ways they keep their brakes up and do all of that.

1343
02:04:21,750 --> 02:04:25,350
you know, and I'm sure there have been hundreds of truckloads, thousands of

1344
02:04:25,350 --> 02:04:29,450
bin author of values and J-breaks, but it just takes one. Two of these have

1345
02:04:29,450 --> 02:04:34,110
ended up rolling in the front yard of a house where there was a young kids and

1346
02:04:34,110 --> 02:04:37,270
they've been out front playing, you know, the tragedy would have been a knockout.

1347
02:04:37,670 --> 02:04:42,870
No. Just horrible. The other one was at the roundabout, went through the roundabout

1348
02:04:42,870 --> 02:04:49,230
and rolled, and a car in the roundabout got horrible. So, and that's what I

1349
02:04:49,230 --> 02:04:52,210
talking about the last council meeting and Wayne did great job following up the newsletter

1350
02:04:52,210 --> 02:04:58,090
is that public safety is a paramount importance and protecting our residents is a high importance

1351
02:04:58,090 --> 02:05:04,490
to me and I know all of our people and it just takes that one truck that could ruin someone's

1352
02:05:04,490 --> 02:05:09,310
life forever and it has we've had one truck that's also gold and killed somebody and then

1353
02:05:09,310 --> 02:05:14,570
subsequently to that the son that was with the through Scrier's Hill community suicide

1354
02:05:14,570 --> 02:05:22,050
So that's all it takes and and the temporary noise from these breaks and they're actually I mean

1355
02:05:22,050 --> 02:05:26,150
I say heard my window open and the trucks came out there are louder than the Jake makes going down

1356
02:05:26,150 --> 02:05:31,570
They come up with their engines trying to get up the road itself. I mean to me that the temporary

1357
02:05:31,570 --> 02:05:37,050
Intermittent noise is is not worse. It's not different than a helicopter that flies over us

1358
02:05:37,050 --> 02:05:43,530
From the neighbor's dog that's barking or somebody running their chainsaw. Yeah, so I'm people need to calm down

1359
02:05:43,530 --> 02:05:50,380
I think that is one I take serious and there's someone's life is not worth it.

1360
02:05:50,600 --> 02:05:55,320
I've drove big trucks before, I drove heavy equipment, big trucks, and I've about rolled

1361
02:05:55,320 --> 02:06:00,140
one before the same thing and thinking as I had a brakes to something to do, we could

1362
02:06:00,140 --> 02:06:02,000
have probably killed me how to roll where I was at.

1363
02:06:02,880 --> 02:06:07,920
Well, the six of us have fallen sworn in oath to protect our residents, and I personally

1364
02:06:07,920 --> 02:06:11,060
and I know all of you do as well, take that extremely seriously.

1365
02:06:11,620 --> 02:06:18,200
And, you know, the nuisance ordinance or the nuisance, it takes us back seat to life safety.

1366
02:06:18,540 --> 02:06:18,700
Dana?

1367
02:06:19,400 --> 02:06:25,220
I don't want to take anything away from safety and protecting life, because that is not

1368
02:06:25,220 --> 02:06:26,280
why I'm sharing.

1369
02:06:26,960 --> 02:06:31,640
But I think that there is more than what looks like on the surface.

1370
02:06:31,980 --> 02:06:35,280
Yesterday, I got run off the road by one of these.

1371
02:06:35,900 --> 02:06:37,060
He was empty.

1372
02:06:37,060 --> 02:06:44,840
It is going downhill. He was just below on the curve. He was more than halfway into my lane.

1373
02:06:45,560 --> 02:06:51,320
I just... I don't... I don't get triggered easily. I live in crisis.

1374
02:06:51,880 --> 02:06:55,220
And I had to pull over after that happened and just breathe.

1375
02:06:56,520 --> 02:07:03,740
There was no reason. He just was hauling down the road halfway in my lane on the curve where there is not vision.

1376
02:07:03,740 --> 02:07:07,080
And so, whatever needs to happen,

1377
02:07:08,420 --> 02:07:10,200
when we just said the story of Bobby yesterday,

1378
02:07:11,780 --> 02:07:14,880
to start looking at he was monitoring traffic yesterday.

1379
02:07:16,220 --> 02:07:18,120
Yeah, I was, I was, we've got, it's really,

1380
02:07:18,380 --> 02:07:21,560
I have a license plate number if there's a way

1381
02:07:21,560 --> 02:07:22,460
that I should use it.

1382
02:07:22,840 --> 02:07:24,880
So there's a, you can call it then,

1383
02:07:25,100 --> 02:07:26,860
when you catch your breath, turn around,

1384
02:07:27,540 --> 02:07:29,280
I'll land down, and, you know,

1385
02:07:29,280 --> 02:07:31,060
most of these are happening right now

1386
02:07:31,060 --> 02:07:32,000
up on Eagle Messers.

1387
02:07:32,000 --> 02:07:35,620
the house up there. They're not done for the site dumps.

1388
02:07:37,640 --> 02:07:39,200
They're hauling out of a house up there

1389
02:07:40,880 --> 02:07:45,860
and I drove through here yesterday, same thing that five of them lined up. So we had to share

1390
02:07:45,860 --> 02:07:49,460
a countdown and we're talking as well. I'll tell them, you know, take it easy, but once again, I come

1391
02:07:49,460 --> 02:07:54,360
down to hear what they're involved or not. They got out of that building to slow down so they don't

1392
02:07:54,360 --> 02:07:57,380
drive crazy. And then you can dance by.

1393
02:07:59,780 --> 02:08:01,800
Yeah, I have a lady run me off the road

1394
02:08:02,000 --> 02:08:08,940
Um, and she brain checked because even the contractors run the sun the sites up here contract that out their

1395
02:08:08,940 --> 02:08:15,200
Responsible for those trucks, but they still contracted on these subs who all away, but um, call it in, call us.

1396
02:08:15,360 --> 02:08:15,800
We'll go.

1397
02:08:16,060 --> 02:08:16,300
We'll go.

1398
02:08:16,300 --> 02:08:17,440
He's actually has place.

1399
02:08:17,840 --> 02:08:18,620
Public safety.

1400
02:08:18,820 --> 02:08:19,160
That's.

1401
02:08:19,900 --> 02:08:20,600
He's very.

1402
02:08:21,020 --> 02:08:21,660
I know.

1403
02:08:21,760 --> 02:08:22,860
He's very responsive.

1404
02:08:22,860 --> 02:08:24,140
As soon as I said it, I was like, oops.

1405
02:08:25,340 --> 02:08:26,540
Unfortunately, we can't.

1406
02:08:27,140 --> 02:08:28,900
Every driver all the time.

1407
02:08:29,320 --> 02:08:29,800
Um,

1408
02:08:29,800 --> 02:08:33,020
But if it doesn't, we could have your stupid things and we, but we need to know about it.

1409
02:08:33,180 --> 02:08:37,860
We will pull them, just remember, because of the recording, we need to make sure we're

1410
02:08:37,860 --> 02:08:41,500
not talking over each other so that Jody doesn't go insane and she's trying to do the

1411
02:08:41,500 --> 02:08:41,720
minutes.

1412
02:08:41,920 --> 02:08:41,960
Right.

1413
02:08:42,680 --> 02:08:48,280
But I think it's important too that if it's called in and law enforcement knows that this

1414
02:08:48,280 --> 02:08:54,840
is happening, then, and we don't have an ordinance against the slowing down, the Jake

1415
02:08:54,840 --> 02:09:04,560
breaks, then it's on the driver to then be responsible. And if notice is given to these

1416
02:09:04,560 --> 02:09:09,620
companies that their drivers are going too fast, then hopefully they'll do something

1417
02:09:09,620 --> 02:09:10,180
about it.

1418
02:09:10,740 --> 02:09:10,940
Yeah.

1419
02:09:11,280 --> 02:09:16,620
Well, it comes back to our growth of office of safety. And so, you know, Jake breaks are there

1420
02:09:16,620 --> 02:09:20,760
to help slow us down. And sometimes it's just a bad driver and we need to deal with that

1421
02:09:20,760 --> 02:09:21,100
as well.

1422
02:09:21,960 --> 02:09:22,100
Perfect.

1423
02:09:22,100 --> 02:09:29,320
Thank you former fire chief and former council member can this time. Yes, if I could have a

1424
02:09:29,320 --> 02:09:34,300
minute, I have a lease to get in time to dispatch, right? I have a report to give on the other one.

1425
02:09:34,560 --> 02:09:35,660
Just a quick. Did Aaron send one in?

1426
02:09:38,000 --> 02:09:42,380
This is going to be very interesting to you. Mayor Halear,

1427
02:09:42,520 --> 02:09:49,820
first of all, Mayor Meryl Alpine has joined this board. So, if you ever want to fire me,

1428
02:09:49,820 --> 02:09:56,800
get down there and attend this. I have enough on my plate, but that means an option.

1429
02:09:58,780 --> 02:10:04,820
One of the neat things dispatch has done is added a fourth law channel. That means the

1430
02:10:04,820 --> 02:10:10,420
police now have four channels instead of three. And that as our county grows, this is a

1431
02:10:10,420 --> 02:10:16,760
good thing. It also means that there are four dispatchers that monitor these channels. This

1432
02:10:16,760 --> 02:10:21,600
it just the current three that do the three channels. So be aware of that in case you want to call

1433
02:10:21,600 --> 02:10:29,240
the police. And this is the interesting part. There is an app. I've never heard of it. It's called

1434
02:10:29,240 --> 02:10:38,120
Crime Radar Alert. And that app is just really frustrating to police. If you install it on your phone,

1435
02:10:38,260 --> 02:10:44,240
you know more than we hear on the radio. It's an incredible app. So I instantly installed it.

1436
02:10:44,240 --> 02:10:47,840
What's the call against? It's incredible. I'm alert. There's more.

1437
02:10:47,860 --> 02:10:55,740
It's great. Crime rate are alert. I would into it today and listen after the fact

1438
02:10:55,740 --> 02:11:02,880
to this call we went on today and it's just incredible. You can play the page from dispatch live.

1439
02:11:03,260 --> 02:11:08,780
I mean, it's just nuts. So it is so better than having a scanner is what you're saying.

1440
02:11:08,780 --> 02:11:16,060
Yeah, yeah, and that's the problem. Well, that's the problem this batch is so concerned about it,

1441
02:11:16,140 --> 02:11:23,000
especially in the police arena that they will probably recall everybody's radio and

1442
02:11:25,160 --> 02:11:32,140
put encrypted radios out because it's just too much information that the public is not

1443
02:11:32,140 --> 02:11:37,340
hitting through this. But while it's good, you really want to, especially council members,

1444
02:11:37,340 --> 02:11:43,940
I think you ought to install it, because it won't last forever, but it's a very great

1445
02:11:43,940 --> 02:11:48,740
our alert. If you search that on the...

1446
02:11:48,740 --> 02:11:49,940
Sure, we want to advertise this door.

1447
02:11:50,320 --> 02:11:57,440
Well, while it's available, and it's just really got a lot of information on it, but here's

1448
02:11:57,440 --> 02:12:02,260
one of the things I think happened today, when we're trying to get to the fire in that neighborhood,

1449
02:12:02,260 --> 02:12:10,620
there were a lot of public vehicles in our way. That was concerning, you know, we had to dodge and you know try to get in there

1450
02:12:10,620 --> 02:12:19,180
it was crowded. Are they there for docking? I believe so. Yeah, there were a lot of gockers there. So that was not, that was not pleasant, but

1451
02:12:20,000 --> 02:12:26,900
so, you know, I wanted to make you aware of it. And while it works, it kept a lot of be listening to it.

1452
02:12:26,900 --> 02:12:36,660
this is my last item. When I don't know about your lies but every now and then someone calls me and says

1453
02:12:36,660 --> 02:12:44,100
hey there's a problem over here we want you to call 911 for us and I usually too and it's really

1454
02:12:44,100 --> 02:12:52,320
not a good idea it's better if you ask them to call 911 because they use geo locating on your phone

1455
02:12:52,320 --> 02:12:56,180
and it helps get more information to the dispatch.

1456
02:12:57,400 --> 02:13:01,680
So, and there are times when you do want to call 911 for somebody,

1457
02:13:01,840 --> 02:13:04,740
but then other times just keep in mind in the back of your mind

1458
02:13:04,740 --> 02:13:07,700
that where they're at, see in the ensue,

1459
02:13:07,860 --> 02:13:11,220
there's more available to dispatch than you just out

1460
02:13:11,220 --> 02:13:13,640
of the blue call 911 trying to report it.

1461
02:13:13,640 --> 02:13:17,020
Okay, they need to have the first time to count.

1462
02:13:17,400 --> 02:13:17,680
Yeah.

1463
02:13:17,900 --> 02:13:20,580
That gets people usually saying, oh, okay, I'll call.

1464
02:13:20,580 --> 02:13:23,260
Okay, then there's another meeting after tomorrow.

1465
02:13:25,280 --> 02:13:26,520
So you'll be back.

1466
02:13:26,840 --> 02:13:30,820
I will never be as passionate about not only with this fetch as you.

1467
02:13:31,020 --> 02:13:32,700
This is such a great organization.

1468
02:13:32,880 --> 02:13:34,880
I love your love.

1469
02:13:35,140 --> 02:13:37,480
When you call 911, what can be more important?

1470
02:13:38,860 --> 02:13:39,700
That is true.

1471
02:13:39,880 --> 02:13:40,320
Thank you.

1472
02:13:40,900 --> 02:13:41,800
Councilmember Kirsten.

1473
02:13:42,260 --> 02:13:45,520
So just talking on behalf of the emergency management as the liaison,

1474
02:13:46,540 --> 02:13:49,460
they are starting to do a search program.

1475
02:13:49,460 --> 02:13:56,780
CERT, which stands for Community Emergency Response Team, and we used to have a cert team in

1476
02:13:56,780 --> 02:14:03,120
one of the hills, and it kind of comes and goes in volunteers, but this is to be a more

1477
02:14:03,120 --> 02:14:09,240
steady and also to benefit us as well as some of the rest of the South County.

1478
02:14:09,700 --> 02:14:16,380
Most of the cities have a cert team, and they also train together, so sometimes we would

1479
02:14:16,380 --> 02:14:20,640
trained with Salem or Spanish for a similar to what we were saying earlier with the EMS.

1480
02:14:21,500 --> 02:14:28,680
Cert teams do the same thing and they can be a real help to communities if they're trained

1481
02:14:28,680 --> 02:14:29,180
correctly.

1482
02:14:31,000 --> 02:14:31,700
Thank you.

1483
02:14:32,700 --> 02:14:38,300
Okay. We're going to go now to the mayor and City Council reports. I had a meeting with

1484
02:14:38,300 --> 02:14:45,840
SESD today and yesterday, nothing really beyond the fact that things are going pretty

1485
02:14:45,840 --> 02:14:52,080
well, we're making a few more agreements with other regional entities to kind of make

1486
02:14:52,080 --> 02:14:58,900
and stabilize our resource allocation and wattage I'm using the wrong

1487
02:14:58,900 --> 02:14:59,580
for a bit here.

1488
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:29,900
We're glad none of them are here to watch me butcher this, but electricity sharing. So lots of good things are headed there. Nothing to report on the direct creek transfer station. Mag and cog. We've had a billion meetings for Mag and cog. Most of them are resided or kind of worked on and focused on the legislative cycle there. We've had a lot of different bills that have come before us.

1489
02:15:29,900 --> 02:15:33,000
lots of concerns on some and joys on

1490
02:15:33,000 --> 02:15:35,500
others and Carrie will give us a

1491
02:15:35,500 --> 02:15:38,020
better detail on those. For

1492
02:15:38,020 --> 02:15:41,160
personnel I did want to take a

1493
02:15:41,160 --> 02:15:42,360
little bit of a time here.

1494
02:15:45,480 --> 02:15:46,860
And I've

1495
02:15:46,860 --> 02:15:47,920
got something here that I'd like

1496
02:15:47,920 --> 02:15:50,220
to read because there has been a

1497
02:15:50,220 --> 02:15:52,180
change in our personnel here in

1498
02:15:52,180 --> 02:15:55,100
the city of Woodenhills. So please

1499
02:15:55,840 --> 02:15:59,500
bear with me. The Woodenhills

1500
02:15:59,500 --> 02:16:06,200
City, the staff, the council, and myself would like to express our sincere appreciation

1501
02:16:06,200 --> 02:16:11,940
to Chris Haley for his many years of service assisting the city with its financial operations.

1502
02:16:12,740 --> 02:16:17,980
For nearly 20 years, Chris helped manage and guide the city's financial matters and supporting

1503
02:16:17,980 --> 02:16:29,480
the work of the administration and the City Council. Chris has also been an active member of the

1504
02:16:29,480 --> 02:16:35,100
efforts and support of the department and the safety of our residents. The service of many members

1505
02:16:35,100 --> 02:16:42,140
of our volunteer fire department reflects a deep commitment to this community and Chris was a part

1506
02:16:42,140 --> 02:16:49,060
of that tradition of service. He loved his time. We really appreciate all of his sacrifice there and

1507
02:16:49,060 --> 02:16:54,940
many of his family joined our department as well, so we appreciate all of them. As many in the community

1508
02:16:54,940 --> 02:16:59,720
community know Chris and his family relocated to Hawaii and are moving on to a new chapter

1509
02:16:59,720 --> 02:17:03,640
of their lives and we wish them the very best and we appreciate their great service to

1510
02:17:03,640 --> 02:17:06,280
our city over the many, many a couple of decades.

1511
02:17:07,540 --> 02:17:14,400
So as we kind of move forward as a city looking to make sure we continue to ensure strong financial

1512
02:17:14,400 --> 02:17:19,980
practices and compliance, you will see a few shifts, a few changes.

1513
02:17:19,980 --> 02:17:26,920
We are looking to find somebody to fulfill the financial obligations of the city to make

1514
02:17:26,920 --> 02:17:30,700
sure checks and balances are properly allocated there.

1515
02:17:31,980 --> 02:17:34,880
So as things move, things will change.

1516
02:17:35,180 --> 02:17:40,080
We appreciate your patience, but also understand that we are doing everything to ensure

1517
02:17:40,080 --> 02:17:43,280
the FISC responsibility that has been placed with us.

1518
02:17:43,940 --> 02:17:49,100
So we want to again think Chris, we really appreciate him and we wish him the best.

1519
02:17:51,060 --> 02:18:00,880
As for legal update, nothing has filed with the courts, and so my last update will remain

1520
02:18:00,880 --> 02:18:04,640
as the current status of the legal situation with the city.

1521
02:18:06,540 --> 02:18:07,660
Councilmember Hutchings?

1522
02:18:11,400 --> 02:18:13,760
But we've not hired any meetings, so I have nothing to report.

1523
02:18:17,760 --> 02:18:22,400
That was well with under that five minute marks, Brian. You get gold star.

1524
02:18:23,640 --> 02:18:30,020
Councilmember Johns. Just real quick, a couple of the discussions I've had with the Home

1525
02:18:30,020 --> 02:18:38,620
Village Associations. Just a lot of growth in Utah County. So I think that the transportation

1526
02:18:38,620 --> 02:18:47,920
they're expecting about 700,000 new residents in the next 30 years in Utah County, so I mean, we're going to be bigger than Salt Lake County.

1527
02:18:51,680 --> 02:19:02,120
So obviously there's a lot of conversation, a lot of a lot of interest in this area because it is more affordable and more land to grow into.

1528
02:19:02,120 --> 02:19:20,880
One of the funny things that came out of my latest home builders association meeting is the state HBA has actually created a survey and they're giving all the builders and developers this little QR code and it's basically like a tattle line.

1529
02:19:21,420 --> 02:19:27,420
So the builders and developers can scan it and fill out a quick survey about what cities are doing naughty.

1530
02:19:27,420 --> 02:19:36,320
So the state is compiling information that they can provide to the state about a

1531
02:19:36,320 --> 02:19:42,180
too long permits. They are too expensive. They're not being reasonable with inspections,

1532
02:19:42,520 --> 02:19:50,940
et cetera. So not that that changes a whole lot. I mean, having built in Woodland Hills,

1533
02:19:50,940 --> 02:19:57,320
I think we do a very good job, but also something to be aware of that there are efforts to keep

1534
02:19:57,320 --> 02:20:00,800
cities and small entities on us, and deep.

1535
02:20:00,820 --> 02:20:01,840
No, they're coming in.

1536
02:20:04,300 --> 02:20:05,620
Yeah, that's a tail cut.

1537
02:20:06,180 --> 02:20:11,340
So yeah, I'm sure you could find it pretty quickly on the home

1538
02:20:11,340 --> 02:20:12,100
builders' association.

1539
02:20:12,340 --> 02:20:15,500
That could be available when the share rate period is over.

1540
02:20:16,100 --> 02:20:20,060
For cities to take a look at and see how many complaints they got, it's after a set.

1541
02:20:20,320 --> 02:20:21,280
That does a good point.

1542
02:20:21,440 --> 02:20:24,420
I'll talk to Ross about that and find out if that's the plan.

1543
02:20:24,660 --> 02:20:25,760
I'm sure it will be.

1544
02:20:26,920 --> 02:20:32,040
In fact, it's very interesting because at many of the meetings, there's actually a lot

1545
02:20:32,040 --> 02:20:33,380
of city representation there.

1546
02:20:33,600 --> 02:20:38,980
I know Salem has been well-represented at most of those and they take a lot of heat

1547
02:20:38,980 --> 02:20:39,920
in those meetings.

1548
02:20:40,300 --> 02:20:43,760
But yeah, I'll talk to them and find out if that's something that's going to be available

1549
02:20:43,760 --> 02:20:48,620
to everybody along the way or if they're just compiling it for one formal report.

1550
02:20:50,440 --> 02:20:55,580
But it's spurred from Governor Cox saying, hey, we're getting all this whining from

1551
02:20:55,580 --> 02:21:01,940
the developers what's going on and there's information but not enough to

1552
02:21:01,940 --> 02:21:07,800
substantiate real movement so this is the Home Builders Association's way of

1553
02:21:07,800 --> 02:21:13,900
trying to get a lot more content. So they want to say who the bad actors are and

1554
02:21:13,900 --> 02:21:20,840
the cities have been compiling data on the entitled units that cities

1555
02:21:20,840 --> 02:21:25,520
approve of building lots for developers and then they don't develop and so

1556
02:21:25,520 --> 02:21:31,320
So there's, I think, 700,000 or something like that in the state.

1557
02:21:31,540 --> 02:21:37,480
So when they say there's not enough housing, cities are saying we have dedicated entitled

1558
02:21:37,480 --> 02:21:42,440
lots that you're not building on and the developers are saying, but look, you're causing

1559
02:21:42,440 --> 02:21:44,160
us these delays from this.

1560
02:21:44,360 --> 02:21:46,840
So they're trying to, like, it's the battle of the data.

1561
02:21:46,840 --> 02:21:46,900
Yeah.

1562
02:21:48,440 --> 02:21:48,960
Exactly.

1563
02:21:49,300 --> 02:21:50,740
The finger pointing always helps.

1564
02:21:51,020 --> 02:21:51,180
Perfect.

1565
02:21:53,540 --> 02:21:55,820
Thank you, Councilmember.

1566
02:21:56,180 --> 02:21:56,940
Councilmember Leight.

1567
02:21:57,080 --> 02:21:57,260
Anything?

1568
02:21:58,420 --> 02:22:00,400
Just a reminder of the Maple Festival.

1569
02:22:00,720 --> 02:22:02,560
It is still on April 18th.

1570
02:22:03,120 --> 02:22:04,120
They have reserves.

1571
02:22:04,760 --> 02:22:05,320
Serb reserves.

1572
02:22:05,720 --> 02:22:07,500
So we're using the reserves.

1573
02:22:07,500 --> 02:22:10,500
Who might not get as much syrup this year as we've had in years past.

1574
02:22:11,000 --> 02:22:12,160
But there will be some.

1575
02:22:13,200 --> 02:22:14,480
There's not going to be much.

1576
02:22:14,640 --> 02:22:16,820
We might be processing a little teeny bit.

1577
02:22:16,820 --> 02:22:25,740
It started processing today, but it's going to be two days and it's not I talked to Amanda the other day, and she gave me the we talked about it.

1578
02:22:25,800 --> 02:22:31,060
It's right now until correct collected the mantle of this morning, but she said they had some reserves.

1579
02:22:31,360 --> 02:22:37,300
That was like the tasting and it's not very much. Yeah, it's not probably not enough to sell.

1580
02:22:39,300 --> 02:22:44,620
If there is, I want my fibroids to be placed in the legislative division.

1581
02:22:45,780 --> 02:22:47,260
Which stayed loved, by the way.

1582
02:22:47,740 --> 02:22:48,780
Well, I can talk to her again.

1583
02:22:48,940 --> 02:22:52,820
I talked to her at the end of last week, and she told me they had some reserves.

1584
02:22:53,040 --> 02:22:55,280
It would still be a big, funny event.

1585
02:22:55,820 --> 02:22:56,960
Yeah, they'll still do the festival.

1586
02:22:57,660 --> 02:23:01,500
And then the question was, I've had a couple questions about the signage.

1587
02:23:01,680 --> 02:23:05,560
Over by four seasons, are we going to be able to put a banner up there somewhere?

1588
02:23:06,720 --> 02:23:09,080
We will put that in a way.

1589
02:23:09,520 --> 02:23:10,180
Staff meeting.

1590
02:23:11,260 --> 02:23:12,520
No, those polls.

1591
02:23:13,940 --> 02:23:16,860
We're coming into event season and that was always a good spot.

1592
02:23:17,200 --> 02:23:21,960
So if I could, you know, if you want that ambulance.

1593
02:23:29,740 --> 02:23:31,260
Joe is a joke.

1594
02:23:31,480 --> 02:23:33,560
Yeah, so we may put those polls right away.

1595
02:23:33,740 --> 02:23:35,600
Do we have somewhere that we can put it up?

1596
02:23:36,020 --> 02:23:36,100
Yeah.

1597
02:23:36,400 --> 02:23:39,140
We put that word is that you could look at putting it right away.

1598
02:23:39,140 --> 02:23:44,680
is just moving into the right away. Okay, are you wanting to resume the

1599
02:23:44,680 --> 02:23:45,080
project?

1600
02:23:47,860 --> 02:23:52,380
Yeah, please. Oh, do I need to call and do that tomorrow?

1601
02:23:52,700 --> 02:23:57,420
No, it's just, it's always the third Saturday in April. From now,

1602
02:23:57,540 --> 02:24:01,780
we've got other things, so it's good. Well, I think it's been kind of,

1603
02:24:01,780 --> 02:24:04,720
because we're not sure about this year, and then,

1604
02:24:05,560 --> 02:24:11,840
Yeah, and then I think they just expect it because it's just like Will and Hill's day where

1605
02:24:11,840 --> 02:24:18,520
since they're a partnership that I didn't reserve it, that is the third Saturday of April every year.

1606
02:24:18,600 --> 02:24:21,880
You could put it next year, the third Saturday. I think I'm just going to do it.

1607
02:24:22,940 --> 02:24:25,980
Yeah, do the recurring. Yeah. Perfect.

1608
02:24:26,560 --> 02:24:28,680
Do you have any two gentlemen on the park?

1609
02:24:29,000 --> 02:24:33,900
Yeah, I'll text them, I usually do. So and then just the last thing we're doing,

1610
02:24:33,900 --> 02:24:39,720
the 250 celebration thing, America. And so I started asking a few citizens what does it

1611
02:24:39,720 --> 02:24:45,540
mean to be an American? I got some good suggestions from Ben and Jody for people that would

1612
02:24:45,540 --> 02:24:51,000
be good to ask them that. If you think of anybody else that I should ask, let me know. We

1613
02:24:51,000 --> 02:24:54,700
were thinking people that are from somewhere else, maybe that, you know, we're sort of

1614
02:24:54,700 --> 02:24:55,180
here.

1615
02:24:55,800 --> 02:24:56,020
Veterans.

1616
02:24:56,240 --> 02:24:56,720
Veterans.

1617
02:24:57,180 --> 02:25:03,440
So just if you think of names text me individually, not on a group text, with some names that would

1618
02:25:03,440 --> 02:25:06,280
be great. If you could send me their phone numbers to, though, when you send me a name,

1619
02:25:06,420 --> 02:25:09,700
don't just send me the name because I don't necessarily know how to get all of them.

1620
02:25:09,860 --> 02:25:14,240
So if you send me a name, please send me a phone number as well. And I'll reach out to

1621
02:25:14,240 --> 02:25:18,320
them. And then we'll all just collect them. And then each newsletter I can put them. And

1622
02:25:18,320 --> 02:25:23,140
if I get a ton, maybe we'll just start posting them on our community page and stuff, too.

1623
02:25:23,660 --> 02:25:27,360
But we just kind of want to have remind people that it's the 250.

1624
02:25:27,560 --> 02:25:31,760
Some cities are really going all out. It's been kind of fun to watch. We just don't have

1625
02:25:31,760 --> 02:25:39,540
budget. We're working on that so we've got new budget starts July 1st so by

1626
02:25:39,540 --> 02:25:45,420
July 4th you can have a good budget. We've got some things the county has

1627
02:25:45,420 --> 02:25:51,100
offered a few resources to us. There's a state website that has a

1628
02:25:51,100 --> 02:25:56,560
close January 30th. Oh it did? So that's why I reached out to Skylar and Skylar

1629
02:25:56,560 --> 02:26:03,080
question. Yeah, Ben's really mayor really wants to push that so. So we've got a few things there.

1630
02:26:03,240 --> 02:26:07,280
So I got a pen from Cedar City the other day they were at the Capitol and they said, do you

1631
02:26:07,280 --> 02:26:12,200
want our 250 pen? I said absolutely. I said, do you have one? I said absolutely not.

1632
02:26:13,560 --> 02:26:17,340
Anything else? Nope, that's all I got. Perfect. Council Member Malkovich?

1633
02:26:17,780 --> 02:26:18,920
Yes. Legislative update.

1634
02:26:21,200 --> 02:26:25,300
Legislative session ended at midnight on Friday night. We were very

1635
02:26:25,300 --> 02:26:30,160
excited happened that we had over a thousand bills as I told you last time we

1636
02:26:30,160 --> 02:26:37,720
trapped 236 of those. We're going to have our recap on Thursday because we

1637
02:26:37,720 --> 02:26:42,940
worked on a lot of stuff that got changed the last few days. I mean stuff that

1638
02:26:42,940 --> 02:26:49,080
we worked really really hard on either got dumped because a legislator got

1639
02:26:49,080 --> 02:26:53,460
mad at another one so we're not putting your stuff through or whatever so a lot

1640
02:26:53,460 --> 02:26:59,660
of things at moving parts and amendments at the end. So after it fell and like I said to

1641
02:26:59,660 --> 02:27:07,480
Spencer on his part, we weren't sure that we were going to get that LAA funding.

1642
02:27:08,360 --> 02:27:13,080
We worked that was probably one of our number one priorities but he said that they found out on

1643
02:27:13,080 --> 02:27:20,560
Monday that it was approved. So that will be huge for our city. The expertise of someone like

1644
02:27:20,560 --> 02:27:28,900
expensive foster with MAG in this program helps our city have a qualified even part-time

1645
02:27:28,900 --> 02:27:34,820
city manager that we don't have to worry about and they can keep us up to date, you

1646
02:27:34,820 --> 02:27:39,200
know, be available for the mayor and for Jody and for anyone on questions.

1647
02:27:39,400 --> 02:27:41,880
And so that was really a big deal.

1648
02:27:42,060 --> 02:27:46,800
So after the recap on Thursday, I'll write something up and email it.

1649
02:27:47,320 --> 02:27:47,960
Perfect.

1650
02:27:48,220 --> 02:27:48,380
A lot.

1651
02:27:48,960 --> 02:27:52,540
But there's 236 bills that we tracked.

1652
02:27:52,940 --> 02:27:55,920
A lot of those were ones that we opposed.

1653
02:27:56,160 --> 02:27:58,380
And so we did a lot of changes to those.

1654
02:27:58,920 --> 02:28:01,020
But again, it's the politics of politics

1655
02:28:01,020 --> 02:28:04,660
that came in those last few days and tried to keep up with all of them.

1656
02:28:04,660 --> 02:28:06,220
But it's hard to say what happened.

1657
02:28:06,760 --> 02:28:11,760
I was meeting every single morning trying to keep up with the changes

1658
02:28:11,760 --> 02:28:13,920
and plus all day during that session.

1659
02:28:15,020 --> 02:28:22,780
That's my road. Anything? No, not wonderful. Anything for upcoming city council meetings?

1660
02:28:23,540 --> 02:28:26,340
And I don't want to hear anything about Stink and Helicopter.

1661
02:28:29,580 --> 02:28:31,900
Is budget staffed for landing?

1662
02:28:32,800 --> 02:28:33,100
Yeah.

1663
02:28:36,220 --> 02:28:38,200
A pick-a-ball court landing call.

1664
02:28:38,200 --> 02:28:39,360
Oh, now I see why.

1665
02:28:40,520 --> 02:29:02,480
There are some, there are some, there are some, some talk of some grants for the places to have those, those those helicopters that are going to have ready for the Olympics that are going to be going, I got to do a virtual ride in one and land it and take it off in everything.

1666
02:29:02,480 --> 02:29:08,880
and but they are starting to put those helipads around the Salt Lake has quite a few and they're

1667
02:29:08,880 --> 02:29:15,460
looking at other places in the state to put them. So wonderful. Well let's keep an eye on that.

1668
02:29:15,940 --> 02:29:23,800
Okay so let this let us close out the work session and let's take a five minute break so well six

1669
02:29:23,800 --> 02:29:33,760
minutes so we'll start back up at 8.30. I'd like to call this council meeting to order.

1670
02:29:33,760 --> 02:29:39,980
We will start with an invocation from Council Member Rodin and then allegedly just by Council Member Melvich.

1671
02:29:42,530 --> 02:29:46,690
Our only Father, we're thankful for the opportunity we have to gather today's

1672
02:29:49,010 --> 02:29:51,830
elected council and mayors, along with our

1673
02:29:52,930 --> 02:29:59,350
citizens of this wonderful community to discuss the needs of this city and how we can

1674
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:24,260
Serve one another and building a community of inclusion and faith and we're thankful for all the blessings we've received recently for the additional moisture that we have received. We pray that our minds will be clear and our hearts will be pure and as we go about making our decisions, but they will be beneficial to our residents and this we say in Jesus' name, amen.

1675
02:30:24,260 --> 02:30:25,020
Thank you.

1676
02:30:25,020 --> 02:30:27,280
Can anybody please stand?

1677
02:30:31,390 --> 02:30:36,150
I pledge allegiance to the prime of the United States of America.

1678
02:30:37,010 --> 02:30:38,510
And as you're hearing from the Board,

1679
02:30:38,670 --> 02:30:46,170
it makes you stand one nation in the given indivisible with liberty and justice for all.

1680
02:30:46,710 --> 02:30:47,390
Thank you.

1681
02:30:48,810 --> 02:30:49,890
Thank you both.

1682
02:30:50,730 --> 02:30:53,070
Okay, I'd like to open the public comment.

1683
02:30:54,130 --> 02:30:59,010
comments are limited to two minutes or less and only in person comments will be

1684
02:30:59,010 --> 02:31:04,810
included as part of the official record. So, Diana, anything?

1685
02:31:14,200 --> 02:31:15,160
For accessibility

1686
02:31:15,820 --> 02:31:20,780
that is a recommendation I have for the park because she, my family, would be

1687
02:31:20,780 --> 02:31:26,300
able to participate much if I as would like to. It is one of the very top priorities

1688
02:31:26,300 --> 02:31:33,460
for a PTR is to be able to get ADA compliant and the trials and stuff, but it is high on the list, so.

1689
02:31:33,560 --> 02:31:45,760
So, pilot, we also be in that realm, because there's no way can use an outhouse and help someone else who needs to be cared for, but, you know, we need grant money, so we need to be.

1690
02:31:46,220 --> 02:31:49,740
And also, elderly, that would benefit the elderly as well.

1691
02:31:49,740 --> 02:31:55,040
I fit that number now, Janet, so I don't need to include it.

1692
02:31:55,560 --> 02:31:56,440
Okay, sorry.

1693
02:31:57,700 --> 02:31:58,820
Well, thank you.

1694
02:31:59,560 --> 02:32:00,500
Anybody else?

1695
02:32:00,820 --> 02:32:01,260
Watchdog.

1696
02:32:03,080 --> 02:32:03,720
Okay.

1697
02:32:04,200 --> 02:32:13,940
Then we will close the public comment and we will move to the consent agenda for the consent agenda.

1698
02:32:13,940 --> 02:32:23,480
We have February 10th, 2026 City Council meeting minutes, as well as February 24th, 2026 City Council meeting minutes.

1699
02:32:25,160 --> 02:32:27,480
I'll take those individually or the entire agenda.

1700
02:32:27,780 --> 02:32:31,520
I'll make a motion that we approve the entire consent agenda.

1701
02:32:31,840 --> 02:32:34,080
I did read through all the minutes, so I'll make that motion.

1702
02:32:34,620 --> 02:32:35,000
Second.

1703
02:32:35,580 --> 02:32:40,980
I have a motion by Council Member Lunt and a second by Council Member Rodin. All in favor?

1704
02:32:43,140 --> 02:32:48,640
You need to do a roll call vote we learned because council member Hotsheens is

1705
02:32:48,640 --> 02:32:54,020
participating online and in order to have his vote count if you listen.

1706
02:32:54,740 --> 02:32:58,920
If we heard her answer he said when we have someone electronically we need to do a

1707
02:32:58,920 --> 02:33:03,300
roll call vote. Well that makes life easy for me on your cheat sheet for me to know

1708
02:33:03,300 --> 02:33:10,960
which I need to do. That was great council member Melkowicz. Yes council member

1709
02:33:10,960 --> 02:33:16,480
Councilmember Johns? Yes. Councilmember Hutchings? Yes. Councilmember Roden? Yes.

1710
02:33:16,860 --> 02:33:20,640
Councilmember Lund? Yes. The consent agenda is approved.

1711
02:33:22,700 --> 02:33:24,300
We are then going to go to

1712
02:33:24,300 --> 02:33:29,860
ordinance 2026-10 amending the 2026 fiscal year budget.

1713
02:33:32,420 --> 02:33:34,240
Do I have a motion? I make a motion.

1714
02:33:34,240 --> 02:33:44,380
Councilmember Melkovich. Councilmember Johns for the second. Councilmember Melkovich.

1715
02:33:45,080 --> 02:33:50,780
Councilmember Johns. Councilmember Hutchings. Yes. Councilmember Ron. Yes.

1716
02:34:03,020 --> 02:34:04,220
Councilmember

1717
02:34:04,220 --> 02:34:13,100
ambulance. So this is again just for clarification purposes. This is approval up to 150,000 per

1718
02:34:13,100 --> 02:34:26,360
the analysis of the vehicle and the approval of then head Michelson Fire Chief and head of

1719
02:34:26,360 --> 02:34:28,920
EMS, as well as myself, the mayor.

1720
02:34:31,480 --> 02:34:33,320
Oh, I'd like a motion to approve.

1721
02:34:37,480 --> 02:34:39,960
So I have a motion for approval of that

1722
02:34:39,960 --> 02:34:41,040
from Councilmember Johns.

1723
02:34:41,540 --> 02:34:41,920
Oh, second.

1724
02:34:42,140 --> 02:34:42,740
You can take it.

1725
02:34:42,740 --> 02:34:43,660
I would like in a second.

1726
02:34:43,880 --> 02:34:44,380
I'll give you a second.

1727
02:34:44,380 --> 02:34:44,960
I'll give you a second.

1728
02:34:45,900 --> 02:34:47,440
Councilmember Rodin with a second.

1729
02:34:48,400 --> 02:34:49,140
Councilmember Lent.

1730
02:34:49,800 --> 02:34:50,140
Yes.

1731
02:34:50,800 --> 02:34:51,700
Councilmember Rodin.

1732
02:34:51,820 --> 02:34:51,920
Yes.

1733
02:34:52,480 --> 02:34:53,480
Councilmember Hutchings.

1734
02:34:54,120 --> 02:34:54,260
Yes.

1735
02:34:55,160 --> 02:34:55,980
Councilmember Johns.

1736
02:34:56,340 --> 02:34:56,460
Yes.

1737
02:34:56,460 --> 02:34:58,220
Councilmember Malkovich.

1738
02:34:59,220 --> 02:35:00,940
That passes.

1739
02:35:02,260 --> 02:35:08,000
Resolution 2026, 36, authorizing signatures on the city bank accounts.

1740
02:35:08,720 --> 02:35:15,300
And to clarify that, that would be myself mayor, Ben Hilliard, Mayor Protett,

1741
02:35:15,320 --> 02:35:19,760
Janet Lunt, Treasurer, Laurie Thomas, and recorder Jody Stone.

1742
02:35:20,780 --> 02:35:22,780
How many signatures?

1743
02:35:22,780 --> 02:35:52,200
Two are required for capable kind of assess that as to the amounts so when there's a check that's headed out that's non bank transact so most of our checks go through the bank and they mail them out for us when it's an actual hard copy we typically if it's a larger amount Janet or I also sign that with Jody and Laurie as the other signature and I'd only sign if he's not here or not available.

1744
02:35:52,780 --> 02:36:01,280
Yeah, just just curious how won't be close to this specifically states those are the only

1745
02:36:01,280 --> 02:36:08,320
signatures, right? We don't have to specifically take care of it. We did that, that's happened

1746
02:36:08,320 --> 02:36:13,800
already. That has happened, but yes, that is also part of in full transparency here. Yeah,

1747
02:36:13,960 --> 02:36:19,860
that is also part of this resolution. Yeah, we move our fire service is on here. Correct. Okay,

1748
02:36:19,860 --> 02:36:23,040
So I'll I'll second that because that's what the bank was worried

1749
02:36:24,140 --> 02:36:25,320
Perfect. Okay

1750
02:36:26,440 --> 02:36:32,420
Council member Lund. Yes. Council member Rodin. Yes. Council member Hutchings. Yes

1751
02:36:33,180 --> 02:36:39,840
Council member Jones. Yes. Council member Melchavitch. Okay. That resolution passes. Okay

1752
02:36:41,620 --> 02:36:49,840
There are some updates legally as well as personnel that would make sense if I have anybody who would like to

1753
02:36:49,860 --> 02:36:52,160
to make a motion for us to go into closed session

1754
02:36:52,160 --> 02:36:53,200
with those updates.

1755
02:36:53,660 --> 02:36:54,820
I would make that motion.

1756
02:36:55,380 --> 02:36:57,060
Council member Roden with the motion.

1757
02:36:57,320 --> 02:36:57,880
I'll second it.

1758
02:36:58,080 --> 02:36:59,440
Council member Lunt with the second.

1759
02:37:00,200 --> 02:37:01,140
Council member Malcolmish.

1760
02:37:01,400 --> 02:37:01,540
Yes.

1761
02:37:02,020 --> 02:37:02,640
Council member Johns.

1762
02:37:03,440 --> 02:37:04,300
Council member Hutchings.

1763
02:37:04,760 --> 02:37:04,900
Yes.

1764
02:37:05,800 --> 02:37:06,680
Council member Roden.

1765
02:37:06,860 --> 02:37:06,960
Yes.

1766
02:37:07,540 --> 02:37:08,200
Council member Lunt.

1767
02:37:08,500 --> 02:37:08,680
Yes.

1768
02:37:09,460 --> 02:37:13,640
Okay, we are entering closed session.

1769
02:37:15,020 --> 02:37:17,660
Watchdog, thank you for joining us and Diana.

1770
02:37:18,040 --> 02:37:18,440
Thank you.

1771
02:37:18,440 --> 02:37:28,820
back in. I want the meeting but if you would wait two seconds I would like to show

1772
02:37:28,820 --> 02:37:36,520
this on the screen. That way everyone can see the meeting has been unlocked. If

1773
02:37:36,520 --> 02:37:43,720
anyone wishes to join they can and those are the participants that are currently

1774
02:37:45,280 --> 02:37:56,320
Wonderful. Anything for upcoming council meetings, right? Yeah, I'd like to have Dan talk

1775
02:37:56,320 --> 02:38:02,640
with our IT about getting some cloud storage, some back-up cloud storage for our different

1776
02:38:02,640 --> 02:38:10,500
records and videos and events. Thank you. Perfect. Thank you. Then I'll accept a motion to

1777
02:38:10,500 --> 02:38:17,460
adjourned. We'll make a motion to adjourn. We are adjourned. Thank you all. Thank you, Brian.