[0:02] is firing on all cylinders
[0:04] >> to run that.
[0:08] >> Oh, yep. So, um, did you everybody see
[0:11] the email that Ben sent to us?
[0:15] >> Yep.
[0:16] >> Yes.
[0:17] >> Okay.
[0:18] >> Saw you read.
[0:19] >> So, Oh, yep. He's sharing.
[0:20] >> I haven't been able to
[0:22] >> I didn't really get a chance to look it
[0:24] over, so I apologize.
[0:28] >> That's okay.
[0:30] let me
[0:32] just so you guys know, I won't be able
[0:33] to see your faces here because I'm going
[0:36] to try and get rid of this. Um, okay.
[0:39] So, on this first tab that I sent you,
[0:41] it's basically our standard uh budget.
[0:44] And I know it's probably
[0:47] uh it's so delicate here. Can you guys
[0:49] see that to a degree?
[0:51] >> Yeah.
[0:53] >> Let me see if I can make it go a little
[0:55] bit bigger.
[0:59] Okay. So, this is our standard budget
[1:01] and what I've done is I've gone through
[1:03] here to start us on our discussion today
[1:05] and I have basically identified which
[1:08] items um I'm going to call them fixed
[1:12] costs. Um for the sake of our
[1:13] discussion, um I know that fixed cost
[1:16] has an accounting definition, but really
[1:19] what it is in for the sake of our
[1:21] discussion is is these are items that
[1:24] the city is basically required to pay.
[1:27] um uh it's it's items that if we don't
[1:30] pay them there is a penalty, there is a
[1:32] problem. Um and so I've eliminated them
[1:34] from our discussion. Now that does not
[1:37] mean we cannot discuss them, I'm more
[1:39] than happy to discuss them if you have
[1:41] any questions or desires, but I've also
[1:44] gone through here and anything I have
[1:45] established as what I consider variable
[1:48] cost or something that the council can
[1:51] decide whether they want to continue
[1:53] with or not. Um even some words, you
[1:56] know, like council travel, uh mayor and
[1:59] council expenses, uh council
[2:02] discretionary fund. Anything that
[2:04] potentially could be tossed out or not
[2:07] put as a priority by the council, I have
[2:10] eliminated from this sheet. Um which
[2:13] brings us to our my second sheet. So,
[2:16] what we're going to do here is go
[2:18] through and each of our staff members
[2:20] are going to go through and kind of go
[2:21] through each item and share what they
[2:24] feel um are the items that could be
[2:27] beneficial to the to the city. Um just
[2:30] so you guys have a full understanding of
[2:33] how I asked them to create these lists,
[2:37] these items are a massive wish list. um
[2:42] any item that they can even think of
[2:44] that may be a benefit to the city. Um
[2:48] even if it's a fringe benefit, I wanted
[2:50] them to put on this list mostly so that
[2:52] each of you as a member of the council
[2:54] who is not attending staff meeting or in
[2:56] the building um would be able to
[2:59] understand what potential needs are. Uh
[3:02] there is a $200,000ish
[3:06] dollar discrepancy of wish wishes over
[3:10] budget. So in this form here, you'll see
[3:13] this top number $2.1 million. As we go
[3:18] through here, so for example, if you
[3:20] guys decide you want to input or add the
[3:24] council travel to the agenda, if I put
[3:27] an X here, this number will drop by that
[3:30] 7,000. Okay? So you guys will have a
[3:33] very real time feel as to what the
[3:37] current uh outstanding amount of money
[3:40] is um for the budget. So I think now um
[3:45] I'll turn it back over to you Janet as
[3:47] to how you want to proceed, who you want
[3:49] to have start as a staff, and we'll go
[3:51] to that point.
[3:53] >> Can I ask a kind of a qualifying
[3:55] question here? Um on on your other
[3:58] sheet, the fixed cost ledger that you
[4:01] sent out, um
[4:03] >> the estimated revenues,
[4:07] uh where where did those come from? How
[4:09] confident are you in those?
[4:12] >> Um for Chris and I
[4:15] >> Chris and I created this um they are
[4:17] conservative numbers um on projected
[4:22] from historical data.
[4:29] It's okay.
[4:30] >> Hey,
[4:33] do you know how accurate we've been in
[4:35] years past on that? I mean, so so far
[4:38] this year, revenue is is looking
[4:40] stronger than anticipated. Has that been
[4:42] the trend?
[4:43] >> Uh yes. So you'll actually see here
[4:46] fiscal year 2023, right? 800,000. This
[4:50] is just for the property tax element. um
[4:52] you know whereas March 2026 and
[4:55] projected 2027 is 1.12 1.012
[5:02] million. So we've had home values
[5:05] increase. There's also been a few
[5:06] property tax increases in these numbers
[5:09] but typically Chris's numbers when he
[5:12] started has come in conservatively
[5:15] um so that we don't have a shortfall.
[5:18] Remember also we will be going through
[5:20] and opening the budget far more
[5:22] routinely and adjusting this so that our
[5:25] balance our budget's always balanced.
[5:28] >> In addition, mayor um maybe the for for
[5:31] the new council members um who might not
[5:34] know is that even though we assume that
[5:37] everyone will pay their property tax,
[5:39] not everyone does. And so the budget can
[5:41] fluctuate based on who actually pays and who doesn't. And so being
[5:46] conservative and then if it if they
[5:49] happen to suddenly pay then we have a
[5:51] little bit more but uh
[5:53] >> so you'll yeah so right here 3120 is
[5:57] past you know year property taxes that
[6:01] are then paid out. So this is the
[6:05] estimated conservative estimate to
[6:07] revenue for 2027 if everybody pays their
[6:10] property taxes minus say 20% or 10% I
[6:14] don't know that exact number um but then
[6:16] it also gets backfilled from past uh
[6:19] property taxes where people are getting
[6:21] caught up
[6:24] so it kind of fills that gap.
[6:26] >> So I think um we should go to the three
[6:30] yellow items. Did you did you already
[6:33] check all of those so that we know what
[6:35] we the variables the three highlighted
[6:38] ones?
[6:39] >> I have not. Uh I was thinking we could
[6:41] have each uh staff member present their wish list
[6:47] >> and then when we start checking things
[6:49] off, we'll we'll start that process with
[6:51] those yellow items.
[6:53] >> Okay. So, why don't you go first? You're
[6:55] at the top there.
[6:56] >> Perfect. Okay. Nothing too crazy here
[6:59] from from my request. um council travel.
[7:03] Uh this is predominantly our um
[7:08] our Utah League of Cities and Towns um
[7:11] training that we go to in St. George
[7:13] each year. This covers uh hotels and the
[7:16] fees basically. And there's a little bit
[7:19] else built in here uh you know a
[7:21] thousand or so for any ancillary
[7:23] trainings that may pop up.
[7:26] Um sometimes we'll send Carrie to
[7:28] something. Sometimes we'll send, you
[7:30] know, others depending on their
[7:31] assignments to different uh venues or
[7:34] different conferences. Um,
[7:37] >> mayor, can we mayor, can we just um
[7:40] reiterate that when it says council
[7:42] travel, we're not actually being paid
[7:44] for any travel. We pay our own travel
[7:46] expenses. It's just for the conference
[7:49] registrations, the hotels.
[7:51] >> We even pay for our own meals except for
[7:53] the sandwich they give us.
[7:54] >> Yeah, we pay for our own meals. to pay
[7:56] for our own travel, but that's the cost
[7:58] to go to the conference trainings and um
[8:01] so our registration and our hotel. So I
[8:03] just wanted to make that clear so that
[8:05] people would understand we're not being
[8:08] paid anytime for travel.
[8:10] >> That is correct.
[8:12] um mayor expenses. Um this $500
[8:16] uh is used predominantly,
[8:21] you know, this year for instance, uh
[8:23] when we go down to because I want to
[8:24] make this put this on the record, when
[8:26] we go down to uh the conference this
[8:30] year, um I will be using part of this
[8:32] 500 for 1 mil uh for the council um
[8:37] which is a different we haven't done
[8:39] this in the past. So, this will be a new thing. Um, for the amount we're
[8:46] paid each year to do our jobs as council
[8:50] and the number of hours that we're
[8:51] sacrificing, I feel it is well within um
[8:55] our budget to be able to take care of
[8:57] one meal once a year or so. Um also this
[9:01] provides a little bit of ancillary if
[9:03] for instance I am doing any um you know
[9:07] taking a a senate representative or the
[9:12] senators or cong congressman to lunch um
[9:16] looking for grants or things like that.
[9:18] That's an option as well there. Um
[9:21] council expenses is a very similar
[9:23] thing. This is just calculated from $100
[9:26] per member. Um, we use this um, oftent
[9:29] times in somewhat of an interchange with
[9:31] the discretionary, but we use this for
[9:34] if we have uh, a member of staff, family
[9:37] member or member of staff or somebody
[9:41] pass away or another fellow city member
[9:44] that passes away that we have worked
[9:46] closely with, we'll use some of these
[9:48] funds for sending, you know, flowers to
[9:50] the funeral. um we could use these funds
[9:54] um in any other way, hence the
[9:56] discretionary uh that you guys would see
[9:58] fit that would bring value to the
[10:00] residents of our city. So that would be
[10:03] my four items there.
[10:06] >> Okay, great. Any questions?
[10:09] >> Um the council travel went up
[10:11] considerably over the past years.
[10:15] Um I think they were around 3,800
[10:19] roughly. just count. I think it's just
[10:21] mostly because registration has gone up
[10:23] and gas prices have gone up.
[10:27] >> Well, we pay our own gas.
[10:28] >> Anyone who's been in Yeah.
[10:29] >> Say we don't pay
[10:29] >> we don't pay our gas, but the hotels
[10:31] have gone up and the registration has
[10:33] gone up.
[10:36] >> Yeah. Jody, could you speak to that
[10:38] >> and more people attend?
[10:41] Not the whole the whole council didn't
[10:42] always go before
[10:44] >> and some years already a couple go.
[10:47] So this year, uh, the conference fees
[10:51] are $400 per council member who goes and
[10:55] then the hotels are roughly 280 for two
[10:58] nights. Um, so that's going to right
[11:01] there take you to, you know, by six of
[11:04] you, you're going to be spending about
[11:06] 3500. That's your whole budget had we
[11:09] gone through last year. Now, that
[11:10] doesn't include the yearly conference
[11:12] that's up in Salt Lake. You have a
[11:14] midyear conference for Utah leagues of
[11:17] city towns and then you have an annual
[11:19] conference. Each of them focus on
[11:21] something different.
[11:23] The midyear is good because you get done
[11:25] with the legislation session and they
[11:27] are going to give you all the updates of
[11:29] what happened. What do we have to comply
[11:30] with? When do we have to comply with it?
[11:34] And you know kind of give us the tools
[11:36] that we need to be able to um do our
[11:39] jobs. And then that annual one up in
[11:43] Salt Lake will give you more prior to
[11:46] the legislative session and what bills
[11:48] are coming up, which ones are going to
[11:50] be important for your community to
[11:51] watch. Um maybe even changes amid uh
[11:56] legislation changes. We had a few of
[11:58] those this past year. So those are ones
[12:02] that are are kind of important. Then we
[12:04] also have um occasionally land use
[12:07] trainings that are important to go to.
[12:10] Um some of those might also be used uh
[12:14] for some of the fees for Utah Valley
[12:17] Homebuilders Association or Utah the
[12:20] state homebuilders association and any
[12:22] of those other meetings that you may
[12:24] need to go to or register to go to
[12:26] events.
[12:26] >> Okay.
[12:27] >> For those.
[12:27] >> Thank you.
[12:29] I think that's also, you know, we also
[12:32] look at you guys are covering your your
[12:35] travel and all your food. We have talked
[12:37] at one point to maybe cover um gas going
[12:43] down or one way. Um so there has been
[12:46] some discussion about that. That's
[12:48] totally up to you guys what you want to
[12:49] decide on, but it's a a number that uh is low in
[12:57] comparison to other cities.
[12:59] >> Very low.
[13:00] >> Um but it's something that I think is
[13:03] doable and it's being fair.
[13:07] >> Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. I I was just
[13:09] curious.
[13:09] >> Do you want to just stay here and do
[13:11] yours?
[13:11] >> I just stay here.
[13:12] >> Okay.
[13:14] um administration and travel and
[13:16] conferences number one. I believe last
[13:18] year was 3500 and I believe the request
[13:21] is to raise it by a thousand. Hattie is
[13:24] t or I'm sorry I'm still years ago.
[13:26] Lori's taking on some additional duties
[13:29] and there are some uh financial
[13:32] conferences that both her and I should
[13:34] be going to um that are being held. Some
[13:37] of those registrations are around 400
[13:39] again. And so to send us to one of
[13:42] those, it's going to take that extra
[13:44] thousand. That doesn't include any
[13:46] mileage again or anything like that. Um
[13:49] and then again, it's the yearly uh Utah
[13:52] leagues of cities and towns. While you
[13:54] guys attend your meetings, I have
[13:55] recorders training that I attend. And if
[13:59] I go to um SU
[14:03] uh that's not is this
[14:05] >> Well, it depends. It it goes around the
[14:07] clerk's association
[14:08] >> the clerk's association oneweek um
[14:11] meeting I had didn't go this year
[14:13] because of some other things that are
[14:14] going on in the city but the
[14:15] registration for that and it's a weekl
[14:17] long commitment if we go same with the
[14:19] treasur there is a week long one too um
[14:23] >> and Lori is joining us this year for the
[14:25] Utah leagues of cities and towns
[14:28] >> yeah
[14:30] um and she'll go to some of those
[14:31] classes that you know hopefully we can
[14:33] divide and conquer and then bring back
[14:35] all the information and share it. Uh,
[14:38] administration books, subscriptions, and
[14:40] memberships. So, this one includes all
[14:43] of our um, registration fees. Utah
[14:46] leagues, the city of towns, our Adobe
[14:49] subscriptions, ESRI,
[14:52] which is one we use. Ted, can you help
[14:55] me on that one? ESRI,
[14:57] that's GIS, uh, mapping for mapping
[15:01] stuff.
[15:02] >> Yeah. So that's all of our
[15:04] infrastructure mapping for our water
[15:06] lines, everything like that, sewer
[15:08] lines. Um, we also have the new one,
[15:11] Yapify. It does not cost us anything
[15:14] this year, but in future years that will
[15:17] have a little bit of a match to have to
[15:24] » just
[15:25] >> So that one's a little bit of increase,
[15:26] but I I don't think it's much. um
[15:30] administration office supplies and
[15:32] expenses. This covers
[15:34] two computer swap outs each year. Um we
[15:39] were only doing one and we were doing
[15:41] them on a 3 to 5year basis. This would
[15:45] allow us to do two every year. Um we've
[15:50] got eight in the city. So we'd like to
[15:52] get those on a rotation and be able to
[15:55] keep those up. It also gives us our
[15:56] printer lease. Um,
[16:00] and any of the supplies we used for the
[16:02] building as well as any we use in the
[16:05] office. Uh, and I think that was just a
[16:08] 3% increase from this past year.
[16:13] Um, repairs and maintenance to the city
[16:15] facilities. This one I'm proposing be
[16:19] um, 33,000 and that is an increase of
[16:22] 13,000 over this past year. Um that big
[16:26] increase is to take care of digitizing
[16:29] our records.
[16:32] Um the estimate that I got from UCI,
[16:36] which is the prison that does these for
[16:38] us, was 27,000
[16:41] just to take care of our records. We
[16:44] can't realistically do them all in one
[16:46] year. I know that's a lot of money to
[16:47] ask for. So I'm hoping to do it over two
[16:51] years. I can always do it over three if
[16:53] you guys feel it's a little bit much,
[16:55] but I would like to get started with it.
[16:58] This also takes care of um we've got one
[17:02] air conditioner. We have three air
[17:03] conditioners in the building. Two of
[17:05] them we replaced within the last 18
[17:08] months. One we got by on a repair. We
[17:12] know that at some point it is going to
[17:14] have to be replaced.
[17:17] So, um, that also probably will go into
[17:20] repairs in the maintenance facilities as
[17:23] well as any crack seal that we need to
[17:25] do on the parking lot, filling of
[17:28] cracks. Um,
[17:30] >> possibly a um
[17:34] Oh. Um, seal on it.
[17:36] >> Yeah, seal coat and things like that.
[17:39] So,
[17:41] >> Jody, does this also include the ADU
[17:43] access to the building to the other side
[17:46] of the building?
[17:47] No, it does not.
[17:50] >> Okay.
[17:52] >> I have had I have had several residents
[17:54] talk to me about that. We don't have an
[17:56] ADA access to come to council meeting
[17:58] and uh attend in the big room. We have
[18:01] one to the main office, but it's closed
[18:03] during the evenings or when there's
[18:05] special events or if somebody rents it
[18:07] out. And so I did bring that up to the
[18:09] mayor and to see if we could put it in
[18:11] the budget.
[18:12] >> And I think we can fit it in somewhere.
[18:14] I you know we've got some uh
[18:19] » and Diana says there might be a grant
[18:21] that'll work. So that might be something
[18:23] we can look into as well.
[18:24] >> We need Diana on the grant committee. I
[18:26] can
[18:27] >> um administration computer software
[18:29] support. This is our Pola system which
[18:32] is our utility billing system. It also
[18:36] is the one that helps us um do all of
[18:38] our financials and it also interfaces
[18:42] with our
[18:44] um water uh read taking our water meter
[18:47] readings.
[18:48] >> Do we do we still like Polaris because
[18:51] I've talked to a few cities and they
[18:52] said that's kind of like an old program
[18:54] and and they all have updated to other
[18:57] services. Is this the one that we still
[18:59] feel is best for us?
[19:01] >> I have not looked at that. I know a
[19:04] couple years ago uh down at the Utah
[19:06] leagues of cities of towns I think about
[19:08] three years ago there was some
[19:10] discussion about possibly going to
[19:12] Cassell
[19:14] >> but I I have not looked into that.
[19:17] >> Okay.
[19:18] >> Um that might be something that we can
[19:20] ask Lori uh to look into a little bit
[19:22] more.
[19:23] >> Okay.
[19:25] Um
[19:27] then the mayor put all these things
[19:29] under admin miscellaneous expenditures
[19:32] and so we'll kind of um go through them.
[19:36] >> Just cruise through them.
[19:37] >> Just peruse through them really fast. Um
[19:40] rekeying the building. It's been a while
[19:42] since we've rekeyed the building.
[19:44] There's a lot of keys floating out
[19:45] there. Um we do not want someone to have
[19:49] a key that probably shouldn't have the
[19:50] key. Uh, we've got it's $25 a door, it's
[19:55] $8 a key. So, the math comes out to
[19:57] about $925.
[20:00] At some point, we need to put funds away
[20:02] or at least keep in the back of our mind
[20:04] we'll need to repaint the inside of the
[20:05] city center. We can probably have our
[20:07] employee do it. Um, it might take a
[20:10] little bit longer, but we still then
[20:12] would be paying wages. So, that's a
[20:15] rough estimate based upon the square
[20:16] footage of the city building.
[20:19] Uh, we made some improvements outside
[20:21] this past year to the landscaping. There
[20:24] are some additional improvements that
[20:26] could be done outside, including the
[20:29] bark chips that fly away all the time
[20:31] during a storm that are full of um we
[20:35] got those from the uh transfer station
[20:38] at one time. So, they've got some bottle
[20:40] caps, different kinds of things in it.
[20:42] It's not really bark chips, but um
[20:45] again, that's prioritizing if that's
[20:47] something you want to do. Same goes with
[20:49] the recarpeting of the city center. This
[20:51] carpet is the original carpet. Um it's
[20:55] held up really well. There are some
[20:57] areas though where it's starting to
[20:58] pull, buckle. We've had it stretched
[21:00] twice and we were told that that was
[21:03] kind of the last time we could get it
[21:05] stretched. So there may be areas we do
[21:09] at one time and then kind of uh do a
[21:13] little at a time but that's something to
[21:14] keep in the back of your mind.
[21:16] Digitizing records I already focused on
[21:18] and the importance of that we've
[21:20] discussed
[21:21] >> Jody.
[21:22] >> Yes.
[21:22] >> Um is that number then up here in this
[21:26] 27 or 33,000? Do I have a duplicate here
[21:29] on this?
[21:30] >> Yes.
[21:32] >> So half of that would be what? 13.
[21:38] Okay. So,
[21:40] >> I'm going to put 20,000 then here.
[21:43] >> Okay.
[21:43] >> Right.
[21:45] >> Um the mayor's talked about our front
[21:47] mat and it missing um an A. It's
[21:51] starting to also miss an L that's coming
[21:54] up. I've used some super glue and
[21:56] Gorilla Glue, but it the L's starting to
[21:58] come up.
[22:00] Uh we have a fridge in the kitchen. That
[22:04] fridge only knows one setting and that's
[22:07] to freeze everything. Um Ted tried to
[22:11] have some salad I guess on Monday.
[22:13] >> Yeah. And
[22:14] >> started out as iced.
[22:15] >> Didn't we talk about the replacing the
[22:17] retaining wall?
[22:18] >> Iceberg lettuce. So
[22:19] >> we skipped over that. Okay.
[22:21] >> It's not been on there yet.
[22:24] >> You just went to fridge.
[22:25] >> Sorry, I didn't. You did. You skipped
[22:27] something. So that's why I just
[22:28] >> skipped something. Sorry. But what the
[22:30] fridge is one I guess because it's such
[22:32] a big number. I really didn't want to
[22:34] talk about it. Um,
[22:37] we've been told that the retaining wall
[22:40] on the side of the building here um may
[22:44] be failing. I'm
[22:45] >> That's was a few years ago.
[22:47] >> That was a few years ago. We uh probably
[22:51] would want to get a a geo tech engineer
[22:56] >> geotech and structural probably geotech
[22:58] to start with to look at
[22:59] >> to look at it and see if that's the
[23:01] case. The bid we got a couple years ago
[23:03] to replace it was 80,000.
[23:06] So that may be something to put on your
[23:10] um radar as well.
[23:11] >> Is that a safety?
[23:12] >> It is
[23:13] >> element. So if it is failing,
[23:15] >> it's it's it's a big number, but it's listed here as a four or five
[23:18] in priority. Should it be considered a
[23:21] higher priority if it is a safety issue?
[23:23] >> If we find out from the geotech and the
[23:25] structural engineer that it's
[23:27] something's
[23:27] >> it might move up.
[23:29] >> It may need to move up. Should we put a
[23:31] sign on there so that it's a notice that
[23:35] >> don't climb on
[23:36] >> rocks?
[23:37] >> We have Well, we have kids who come and
[23:39] play. I see them riding their bikes or
[23:41] their skateboards or whatever and then
[23:44] we know in past years kids have climbed
[23:46] down those to get to their friends.
[23:48] >> And I just wonder if if that's an issue
[23:51] if we need to. We haven't seen a lot of
[23:55] that recently.
[23:56] >> Okay. Um,
[23:59] but maybe that has to do with the
[24:01] demographics in the area as well. Many
[24:04] kids,
[24:04] >> just the Hillyard kids who live around
[24:06] here.
[24:06] >> Yeah. And I figure, you know,
[24:08] >> they're expendable. Carry on.
[24:10] >> Yeah.
[24:11] >> He's got spares.
[24:12] >> What would What would a geote I guess
[24:14] you don't know off the top of your head,
[24:15] what would it cost for a geotech
[24:16] engineer to come out and look at it?
[24:19] >> One right now to see if he'll come look
[24:20] at it with me. I think the initial
[24:22] visit, he'll come and do it and just
[24:23] look at it with me.
[24:24] >> Okay. If it requires some analysis, it
[24:26] kind of depends on what SDS, but
[24:28] probably talking in the few,000ish
[24:31] dollar range.
[24:31] >> Okay.
[24:32] >> Do a little study on it or 3500, but
[24:34] >> okay.
[24:35] >> But I'm going to text one right now. See
[24:37] if you'll look at it.
[24:38] >> Glad you have friends.
[24:40] >> Um, this HVAC repairs and replacement. I
[24:44] did talk about the air conditioning, but
[24:46] I didn't talk about the heater. We've
[24:48] got some damper problems going on. Um,
[24:52] in order for us not to run the air
[24:54] conditioner in the winter, I have to
[24:55] physically go outside and shut off the
[24:57] air conditioners.
[24:59] Um, because the dampers, I think there's
[25:02] a problem with them calling for heat
[25:03] when they're supposed to be calling for
[25:04] cool and cool when they're calling for
[25:06] heat.
[25:08] That 8,200 is a rough estimate. Um, it
[25:13] might also go towards um repairs on the
[25:15] boiler system. Keep in mind that all
[25:17] these systems are from 2009
[25:22] when we started first constructing the
[25:24] building. So, we are getting to that age
[25:26] when we're going to have to probably
[25:27] start making some repairs.
[25:30] >> Time for the remodel.
[25:32] >> Yeah. Well, I wouldn't say a remodel,
[25:34] but at least um some annual maintenance
[25:38] is what we're looking at.
[25:40] Uh, I was asked some time ago to get a
[25:44] quote for putting an audio system in the
[25:47] large multi-purpose room for when we
[25:49] have town hall meetings.
[25:52] >> Um, we don't like our duct tape.
[25:54] >> Uh, I have gotten criticism from people
[25:57] about our sound system when we do uh
[26:01] those meetings and our um cameras.
[26:06] So, if the council chooses to want to
[26:09] put a audio system in that large room
[26:12] and the bid I got was for $36,65.
[26:17] » Yeah, I think it's for that. And we also
[26:19] rent that room out to people and that
[26:22] for their own things, right?
[26:23] >> Oh, with that we would not that system
[26:26] would not be available for them.
[26:27] >> Oh, okay. So, someone who's going to
[26:28] have their own event, they couldn't use
[26:30] the sound system. This is more of the
[26:33] audio system that would allow us to
[26:35] broadcast our meetings and a few other
[26:38] things.
[26:38] >> It'd be like a secure Yeah.
[26:41] >> So that's
[26:42] >> a lot of money for speakers. Yeah.
[26:45] >> It's a lot of money for having a tap on
[26:47] meeting.
[26:49] >> I mean, if somebody did want to have
[26:50] their own meeting and use it, could we
[26:52] just charge them extra to use a sound
[26:55] system?
[26:56] >> That would help pay for it.
[26:58] >> Yeah. 36,000
[27:00] >> each time.
[27:04] » I don't know. I just think that we could
[27:05] consider it because I think it out more
[27:08] if if people would be able to have a
[27:10] multi-purpose room.
[27:11] >> It's not that kind of sound system
[27:12] though.
[27:13] >> Yeah. Not that kind of system at all.
[27:15] This is just to hook up with creating a
[27:16] Zoom connection or the team's equivalent
[27:20] in that room.
[27:22] >> Oh, live stream.
[27:22] >> What did this thing cost us?
[27:24] >> Uh, this thing was $8,000.
[27:26] >> Okay. Just the speaker or the mic. The
[27:29] mic set, right?
[27:30] >> The speakers. Yeah. And the mic set.
[27:33] >> The cameras were here previous,
[27:34] >> right?
[27:36] >> Those cost us a lot.
[27:37] >> Cost us a lot. Yeah.
[27:40] >> Cost a lot of frustration.
[27:41] >> In more ways than one.
[27:43] >> They did. Um there has been discussion
[27:46] of uh upgrading our audio system in the
[27:50] council room to go from Zoom to Teams.
[27:55] Um, the reason for Teams over Zoom is
[27:59] we're already paying for a Microsoft sub
[28:02] subscription, which um then would give
[28:05] us our Teams for free. Our Zoom runs us
[28:08] about $1,000 a year. So, if we upgrade
[28:11] our system in the council room and go to
[28:13] Teams, it's one year of our Zoom and
[28:16] then it's paid for.
[28:17] >> The hard part is a lot of residents
[28:19] don't have access to Teams and
[28:21] >> you don't have to have access. It can
[28:23] all be
[28:24] >> it's it's all free. It's 100% free.
[28:28] >> Not all have a Zoom subscription either.
[28:31] And so they can get on and so I think uh
[28:34] Council Member Rhoden can take care of
[28:35] that for us.
[28:36] >> I can definitely
[28:37] >> Okay. So if you choose to approve that,
[28:40] that's what that was.
[28:41] >> Okay.
[28:42] >> Um a number of the uh city
[28:46] >> uh Sorry, Ben, are you running the show
[28:48] here on the screen?
[28:50] >> Yes. Yes,
[28:50] >> you change that from audio system in in
[28:53] council room to
[28:55] >> because it's not audio, it's it's
[28:56] meetings. Change it like meeting system
[28:58] or just put a highlight there. Zoom
[29:01] versus teams
[29:04] >> meeting audio video system in council
[29:06] room. Zoom versus teams just just so I
[29:09] can remember that.
[29:11] >> Yeah, I see.
[29:11] >> Thank you.
[29:12] >> I have to do
[29:13] >> Yep. 100 times. Um, next one is many of
[29:17] our neighboring cities are going to um
[29:22] >> bulletproof glass
[29:24] wrong there.
[29:26] >> That'd be our mayor.
[29:27] >> Oh, it is on there. It wasn't on mine.
[29:28] It's
[29:29] >> He fixed it. He He fixed it.
[29:31] >> Yeah, it was built, but it's bullet. Um,
[29:36] the threats to city buildings are going
[29:38] up. Um,
[29:39] >> and city personnel.
[29:40] >> City personnel.
[29:42] Uh
[29:44] you again that's up for you guys to
[29:47] decide. This would be um the entry
[29:50] doorway would going from the hallway to
[29:55] the offices would be a bulletproof one.
[29:58] Uh, this bid also includes doing the
[30:01] wall um that is in the entryway that
[30:04] goes into my office as well as the um
[30:08] glass that goes from the office area
[30:12] into the waiting area. And then I
[30:14] believe it's also the windows. Um, what
[30:18] about your windows?
[30:20] >> Line Lor's and I think Ted's window, not
[30:24] the mayor's. Yeah, the parking lot
[30:26] facing windows.
[30:29] >> All you have to do is have a
[30:31] >> Yeah. So, that is a bid. Again, that's
[30:34] >> there's no
[30:35] >> We're not worried.
[30:36] >> The mayor The mayor is expendable. Carry
[30:39] on.
[30:40] >> And some days my husband thinks I am
[30:41] too. So, you know,
[30:46] » I heard that. Uh we right now we're using a piano
[30:53] bench to hold our audio equipment that's
[30:56] behind the wall where the TV is at some
[30:58] point. I guess we want to sell said
[31:01] piano and said piano bench with it, but
[31:04] it's really I mean it's a hokey system
[31:06] right now. We need to put something in
[31:08] there to hold on to that audio
[31:09] equipment. Um some kind of shelf and
[31:12] things like that.
[31:14] >> 500 may be a little bit much if our city
[31:16] employee can put it up for us. our
[31:18] public works guy.
[31:18] >> You already say behind this wall.
[31:20] >> Yes.
[31:20] >> Okay.
[31:21] >> Uh so we're looking at a rack system
[31:23] kind of to
[31:24] >> Okay.
[31:24] >> Hold the uh system on.
[31:26] >> Okay.
[31:28] >> Um
[31:29] here comes one uh that I think is
[31:32] necessary for us to do and that's to
[31:34] replace the locking mechanism for our
[31:36] front door.
[31:36] >> Yes.
[31:37] >> Um our door right now people are having
[31:41] a difficult time opening it. Um, you
[31:44] have to pull hard, you have to push down
[31:46] hard. That lock needs to probably be
[31:49] >> I think some of our older residents
[31:50] probably can't get that open. Um, often
[31:53] times Amazon, anyone who's doing
[31:55] deliveries, anyone who doesn't know any
[31:58] better to push down, will come and leave
[32:00] and think we're not here, even though
[32:02] there might be six or seven cars in the
[32:04] parking lot. And then they'll call and
[32:06] say, "Why aren't you here?" And I'll
[32:08] say, "We are here." And, "Well, we can't
[32:10] get in the building." And it's just a
[32:11] matter of that locking mechanism on that
[32:14] front door.
[32:14] >> And you do have that little piece of
[32:16] paper on the front.
[32:17] >> I do.
[32:19] >> Reading is hard sometimes. Yeah. It's
[32:21] just a little bit difficult.
[32:22] >> Your report is just making us feel me
[32:24] feel like we're really ghetto here. But
[32:27] um it's okay. We've got
[32:30] we aren't. Um
[32:33] >> city center building signage. We've had
[32:35] some comments from a number of people
[32:37] including the council about the signs
[32:39] that are on Woodland Hills Drive, the
[32:41] old signs that say Woodland Hills City
[32:43] Center over here. So,
[32:44] >> the one looks like it's been set on
[32:45] fire. You can't even read it anymore. It
[32:47] it's like all brown and
[32:49] >> so scout projects.
[32:51] >> Yeah, some of those um repairs to the
[32:55] outside of the city center. We've got
[32:57] some windows that are leaking. We've got
[33:00] uh some siding that's come undone and
[33:03] then needs to be replaced. And the mayor
[33:05] can probably expand on that because he
[33:08] flew a drone overhead and took some
[33:11] pictures.
[33:13] Mayor.
[33:14] >> Yeah. So, yeah. So, actually right there
[33:16] to the west of you guys, that wall right
[33:19] there is the same building material that
[33:22] actually Steve built his home with. So,
[33:24] it's a foam insulated foundation wall.
[33:28] Um, and where it meets the rafters, it
[33:31] insets about an inch and a half. And
[33:34] that inset has created a ledge by which
[33:37] water sits as it sheets off of the
[33:39] siding. And it is pulled and is starting
[33:42] to fall through uh and flooding in those
[33:45] window sills. So, if you guys look right
[33:47] there behind um uh well, nobody's
[33:50] sitting there from the last time I
[33:51] looked over there, but at that window
[33:53] right there where Jod's pointing, all of
[33:56] the window seal paint is bubbling. Um
[34:00] so, we do need to do something or we're
[34:02] going to have a much larger problem than
[34:05] $5,000.
[34:11] » There is some things there.
[34:14] um repairs to the inside of the city
[34:16] center. Those are going to include
[34:17] things like um we've got some railing on
[34:20] some garage doors that downstairs that
[34:23] um need to be either replaced or redone.
[34:26] We've got some um garage door openers
[34:30] that are probably on their last leg and
[34:31] probably need to be replaced.
[34:34] So,
[34:36] that's kind of an estimate of some of
[34:37] those repairs.
[34:39] So when we say city center, we're
[34:41] talking about the entire building, the
[34:42] fire department park as well as
[34:44] >> upstairs and downstairs.
[34:45] >> Okay. Just to make sure that
[34:47] >> I talked with Kobe and tried to get some
[34:49] of the things that he has seen around
[34:50] the building that could need repairs and
[34:53] so those are included in this.
[34:55] >> Okay.
[34:56] >> Um we've talked about a surge protector
[34:59] for the city center. Um that would
[35:02] protect all of our equipment in the city
[35:05] center from an outage. Sometimes you get
[35:08] when you get a surge in the line, you
[35:11] your uh TVs, computers, things like that all of a sudden will be ruined.
[35:17] Now, I've heard that you can claim them
[35:19] on your insurance if that happens. So,
[35:22] we could look into our insurance and see
[35:24] if we get a surge, if that would cover
[35:26] any of our equipment. But just to give
[35:28] you an idea, when we first purchased
[35:30] this Zoom system, it was $65,000
[35:34] for these cameras and the setup. We were
[35:37] able to get it on the CARES Act funding,
[35:39] so we got it through a grant, but if we
[35:42] have to replace that, that could be
[35:44] expensive. So, at some point, we might
[35:46] want to look at that.
[35:48] >> Well, and we don't want to have to wait
[35:50] on an insurance plan. That's not a very
[35:52] good idea to for me to say that we're
[35:55] going to wait and because we need to be
[35:57] able to use the equipment the next week
[35:59] after the surge or the same week as a
[36:01] surge, we hope.
[36:02] So, it's not really an optional,
[36:05] >> but these are all wish lists, remember?
[36:07] And I remember we can't do all these.
[36:09] >> No, we can't do them all. So,
[36:10] >> which is sad cuz probably need them all.
[36:13] >> Um, there was talk about replacing
[36:15] lights in the city center and going to
[36:17] LED.
[36:18] >> No.
[36:19] >> Um,
[36:20] >> what's our monthly electric bill
[36:25] » for the city center?
[36:28] >> Um, it depends. Are you looking at
[36:30] average? Because Just roughly,
[36:32] >> I would say around 1,800.
[36:34] >> Okay.
[36:36] >> A lot if not all of the bay lights, no
[36:39] in the fire side, but I think all the
[36:41] bay lights have already been changed to
[36:43] LED. Okay.
[36:44] >> Um that was donated if I'm not mistaken
[36:46] by Alan Wakefield and he installed them.
[36:48] >> I think he bought the lights and he did
[36:49] labor.
[36:50] >> Did you buy them?
[36:51] >> I did, but I think that the former fire
[36:53] chief did.
[36:53] >> Oh, Craig. Okay.
[36:54] >> I think Craig did and then I think he
[36:56] installed them all at no cost. Um, while
[36:58] we're on that surge protector,
[37:01] we go back up a little bit. Um,
[37:06] I I want to put in there, I I really
[37:09] want to talk about putting a generator,
[37:12] a backup generator here. We are set up
[37:14] for a backup generator, and we don't
[37:16] have one. We did have an instance where
[37:20] there was a call out during a power
[37:22] outage
[37:24] and the fire truck caught the release
[37:27] rope
[37:29] >> on the door. They released the door,
[37:32] pushed it up manually. When the truck
[37:34] came out, caught that rope, pulled the
[37:36] door down in the middle of the fire
[37:37] truck and destroyed the door. Um, but we
[37:42] use we keep we keep our fire trucks
[37:45] plugged in. um if there's emergencies,
[37:47] if there's a catastrophe, this is where
[37:50] we come as a as a as a council to
[37:54] >> operate and so we need a backup
[37:56] generator.
[37:57] >> We did get a bid on that a while ago.
[37:59] >> We do have a quote for one.
[38:00] >> It's 135,000.
[38:02] >> 135,000
[38:04] >> backup you're putting on wish list. It's
[38:07] >> so I mean
[38:08] >> now is that covering the whole building
[38:11] or just the the emergency circuit? whole
[38:13] building.
[38:14] >> So, we have, if you look around, you'll
[38:16] see red plugs around the building. Those
[38:20] are set up on an emergency circuit that
[38:23] we're currently set up to put a
[38:25] generator on. So, we could get a smaller
[38:27] generator to run on those emergency
[38:29] circuits. In the council ready room,
[38:31] there are some plugs in there. There's
[38:33] plugs throughout the the building and
[38:35] downstairs. So,
[38:36] >> the idea was when they built this
[38:37] building, they started to set it up. I
[38:39] talked to Alan Wakefield.
[38:41] Why?
[38:42] >> We started to set it up for a backup
[38:43] generator. And the purpose was is that
[38:45] becomes this becomes kind of a
[38:47] evacuation center if you will. So it
[38:49] could still run heat, air, whatever for
[38:51] especially the elderly people in town to
[38:53] need a place to go if their heat goes
[38:54] out in the winter, their goes out, stuff
[38:56] like that. So the building has been
[39:00] started that direction and that was
[39:01] actually a cost for now
[39:05] everything out so we could
[39:06] >> the theund Okay. So I' I'd like to put
[39:09] that on our wish list.
[39:11] we're talking about.
[39:12] >> You put it there.
[39:12] >> Okay. Thank you.
[39:14] >> Um
[39:16] I thought about giving each one of you
[39:18] these one of these chairs today.
[39:21] >> So these are the chairs that are in our
[39:23] red.
[39:25] Um you don't when you sit on it, don't
[39:28] worry. You're going to get black all
[39:29] over your arms. We've kept them for a
[39:32] long time. We still are can use them,
[39:35] but it it does look really
[39:37] unprofessional when we bring um you know
[39:40] Mike McCuel in and sit down there and we
[39:43] apologize for our chairs. Maybe gets us
[39:45] a few more grants. I don't know. Um
[39:51] but it would be nice to have some new
[39:52] chairs in there. So that's a wish. I get
[39:56] it. You guys can decide.
[39:59] Um, and then the final request is a
[40:02] water line in the old public works bay
[40:05] to bring down to help wash off uh
[40:08] snowplow trucks and um the front pad in
[40:13] front of the city center. Uh you'd hook
[40:16] into the 1-in line that's currently in
[40:18] the new section, drill through this uh
[40:21] cement wall between, pull that in, and
[40:24] it shouldn't be more than that. I talked
[40:26] to uh John Wallace and he said that's
[40:30] more than enough to get that.
[40:32] >> So,
[40:32] >> okay. Do you want to cover the building
[40:34] one too since you're here?
[40:35] >> Building tool uh tools, books, dues, and
[40:38] subscriptions. Again, this is our
[40:40] subscript subscriptions we use um for my
[40:45] city inspect where all of our building
[40:48] um subs uh permits go through and that's
[40:52] $1,000 a year. And then this would also
[40:55] cover any of our recording fees at the
[40:57] county and things like that.
[41:01] Any questions? Any questions? Anybody?
[41:05] Okay, Wayne.
[41:09] Going to break the bank here.
[41:13] Uh, last year we had $1,500 and mayor
[41:17] talked to me about it and I think $1,000
[41:20] would be fine for planning commission.
[41:23] We use it for binders and we probably
[41:25] need to update some of our larger maps
[41:28] around there as a charge for those. So
[41:30] just kind of miscellaneous expenses that we go through through the year. I
[41:35] know we'll have some left over this year
[41:36] and it'll go back into general budget
[41:38] for whatever year and expenditures might
[41:41] be needed. So that's that's kind of
[41:44] where that figure came from $1,000.
[41:46] >> Okay.
[41:47] >> Does it cover what you need to be set
[41:48] up? Right.
[41:51] >> Say again. Does it cover what you need
[41:52] to be set up the way you feel you should
[41:55] be set up?
[41:55] >> I think so. Yes.
[42:00] » All right, Ted. Here we go.
[42:05] » It's not on there. I already checked.
[42:07] >> Yeah, Janet already checked that one for
[42:09] me. So, I gave her my secret code.
[42:13] >> I have so we'll go through the fire. So,
[42:17] I broke out.
[42:20] Are we going through? Oh, yeah. There it
[42:21] is. Right there. It's called helicopters
[42:22] are now called PMPs.
[42:26] >> Personal moving personal projectile.
[42:28] >> Yeah.
[42:29] >> Oh, there you go. I like it.
[42:33] >> Um, so we'll talk about the fire budget
[42:36] first. Now, start off. This is not an
[42:38] increase from last year. Uh, this is all
[42:40] the wish list items, but it keeps us
[42:41] within the same budget we had last year.
[42:44] Um, so replacing outdated structural
[42:46] PPE. We have uh a bunch of sets that are
[42:50] outdated and I try and replace a few of
[42:52] those each year. Uh one because it's
[42:54] required by an FPA. Uh and two, it's
[42:57] also a safety issue to protect our
[42:59] firefighters. So, I put some sets in. I
[43:01] put some budget in there for some new
[43:02] sets of PPE. We have a couple of people
[43:05] that are longtime fire guys that still
[43:07] have old sets we need to replace.
[43:09] >> We We've got a gentleman who was
[43:11] professional
[43:12] on our department. He's one of our
[43:14] assistant chiefs and his PPE is so old
[43:17] he won't go into a fire. He's the most
[43:19] experienced person we have and he won't
[43:22] go in into a structure because his PPE
[43:25] isn't protecting him.
[43:27] >> Yeah.
[43:28] >> Can you talk about the what does the
[43:30] expiration change on that? You know,
[43:32] what does the fire rating on your PPE do
[43:36] as it gets older?
[43:38] >> So, so a couple of things. One is NFPA
[43:40] requires that PPE has a life of 10
[43:42] years. So every 10 years you have to
[43:45] replace your PPE and that's per NFA NFPA
[43:47] requirements. Then it also gets derated
[43:49] on the temperature uh over year. So it
[43:51] starts out PPE will protect you up to
[43:53] roughly 900° when it's new. By the time
[43:56] you hit that 10 year life, you're down
[43:57] to 3 to 400 degrees. And when you're in
[43:59] a house, you know, you're well over 400
[44:00] degrees a lot of times. So um but in
[44:04] addition to protecting our firefighters,
[44:06] it also uh goes to our NFPA compliance,
[44:08] which goes to our ISO rating. And an ISO
[44:11] rating is what insurance companies use
[44:13] when they look at insuring homeowners
[44:14] here. And they come to our fire
[44:16] department and they go through a whole
[44:18] checklist of things in our fire
[44:19] department when they look at our ISO
[44:21] rating. So, we try to keep as much in
[44:22] compliance as we can with NFPA um
[44:25] because it also helps our community uh
[44:27] with our fire department and their
[44:29] insurance as well. So, uh so we try and
[44:33] replace some of those each year. Uh we
[44:35] also have some new wildland packs and
[44:36] shelters that we need. Um, these are the packs that our wildland people carry
[44:42] on their backs and they put shelters in
[44:43] them. That's the protective shelter they
[44:45] can get in when they're trapped in a
[44:46] fire. Uh, we we have some that don't
[44:49] have any. And then we've got some that
[44:50] are a little outdated. So, we need to
[44:52] replace about four of those.
[44:53] >> You don't have any?
[44:54] >> No. Well, we got a couple that don't
[44:56] have a shelter at all. And if you don't
[44:57] have a shelter, you don't go on the
[44:58] fire.
[44:58] >> You don't go work the fires.
[45:00] >> No, I don't cuz my son was a wildland
[45:01] firefighter.
[45:02] >> Yeah, we've got a couple. They're new
[45:04] firefighters and we just don't have
[45:05] enough work. So, we need to get some new
[45:06] ones. Lance used to have a bunch of
[45:09] stuff, but
[45:10] >> yeah, he's got some shirts he's going to
[45:12] sell the city at a really good price and
[45:14] that's included in you. We'll get to
[45:15] that here in a minute. Um, so then we
[45:18] have the replace outdated and new
[45:20] wildland PPE. So, we have some of our
[45:22] PPE that's getting outdated. Uh, just
[45:25] wildland pants, shirts, boots, stuff
[45:28] like that, helmets. Um, same thing.
[45:30] They're exceeding that 10 year life. So,
[45:32] we need to replace some of that stuff.
[45:34] Uh, new uniform gear. This is our shirts
[45:36] and hats and gloves, etc. that we wear.
[45:39] Uh, we buy this every year. We try and
[45:41] get a shirt and hat at least for every
[45:42] member every year because they wear
[45:43] their shirts out over the year. So, we
[45:47] try and get one or two shirts for all of
[45:48] our members to wear on um fire and EMT
[45:52] events.
[45:54] Um, and then hats and shirts. That's our
[45:57] or sorry, hats and then our gloves or
[45:58] like our PPE, our our structure gloves,
[46:00] our V line gloves, stuff like that.
[46:03] Um, new battery operated ventilation
[46:05] fan. Um, this is something that' be
[46:08] great. We're trying to include in the
[46:10] budget for this next year. So,
[46:11] everything's going away from gas
[46:13] operated equipment. And over the last
[46:15] couple years, we've been able to replace
[46:16] our extrication tools from the hydraulic
[46:18] to the battery operated. And I think if
[46:21] we get the fan, that completely gets rid
[46:23] of all our power and hydraulic equipment
[46:24] now are battery operated. Uh, which is
[46:28] great, which is how all departments
[46:29] operate now. So you don't have to lug
[46:31] around with your big hydraulic pumps.
[46:32] And
[46:33] >> so this is a fan for the apparatus.
[46:35] >> It's a ventilation fan use on the fire
[46:38] to ventilate houses.
[46:39] >> Yeah.
[46:40] And then we don't have to lug
[46:41] around the big hydraulic pumps anymore.
[46:44] >> Um
[46:46] wildland training packs. So uh sorry
[46:48] this is in shelters. Wildland
[46:50] training shelters. We only have one
[46:52] training shelter. So when we do every
[46:53] year we have to do wildland training.
[46:55] You have to reertify as wildland. And so
[46:57] we have training shelters so people
[46:58] don't have to break out their real
[47:00] shelters to do our pass offs with.
[47:02] >> So we need some more training shelters.
[47:04] Uh a new tick thermal imaging camera for
[47:07] our brush truck. We have one for our
[47:09] engine, but when we go on other fires,
[47:10] we don't have any in our brush truck or
[47:12] anything like that. We had an extra, but
[47:14] it's old and it's broke now. It doesn't
[47:16] work. So
[47:16] >> worth fixing.
[47:18] >> Yeah, it's not worth fixing. So it was
[47:19] better just to replace it. Um
[47:23] miscellaneous tools and equipment. This
[47:24] is just an item we use. I looked at last
[47:26] year's budget. This is when we just need
[47:27] miscellaneous things for our apparatuses
[47:29] that we run into through the year.
[47:30] Something breaks down, we need some new
[47:32] equipment or we we have tools that we
[47:34] need to block.
[47:36] >> Light bulbs go out on them that those
[47:38] kind of things that we just do here.
[47:41] >> And then we also need a few more
[47:42] wildland tools.
[47:44] Um so those are all the items I've added
[47:47] into the budget hopefully to cover this
[47:48] next year. Like I said, it's not an
[47:49] increase in the budget. It's just
[47:51] maintaining our budget we had this year.
[47:53] Fire training. Uh once again, this is
[47:56] keeping within our current budget. Um
[47:59] but how we spend that money on fire
[48:01] training is we go to winter fire school.
[48:03] So that's for all our firefighters. This
[48:04] is how we get our cuz we have to
[48:06] reertify every 3 years. Uh and you have
[48:10] to have 180 hours of training hours to
[48:12] reertify. So this is how a lot of our
[48:14] firefighters get those reertification
[48:16] hours. If we go to that winter fire
[48:17] school that's put on by the Utah Fire
[48:19] Rescue Academy down in St. George, um
[48:22] they donate their own time. usually over
[48:24] a weekend. Uh but we try and cover their
[48:26] expenses, their travel and stuff like
[48:28] that. Um and the school cost,
[48:32] training nourishment,
[48:34] that's to keep our firefighters fed. We
[48:36] use this several things, but when we
[48:38] have trainings, we buy little snacks
[48:40] people have during trainings, but also
[48:42] we keep in our trucks because sometimes
[48:44] you're going on fires for hours and we'd
[48:46] like to have things available.
[48:50] » What's that?
[48:50] >> Uncrustables.
[48:51] >> Uncrustable. Yeah. We're going to take
[48:53] what you call
[48:54] >> in the pockets. You have an uncrustable
[48:55] pocket.
[48:56] >> You included a fry. If
[48:57] >> that's enough PPE, I'll I'll support
[48:59] that.
[49:00] >> You're in the middle of fighting a fire.
[49:01] Pull out an uncrustable. Boom. Fire's
[49:02] out.
[49:03] >> Usually you have water left over from
[49:04] Woodland Hills days, right?
[49:05] >> Yeah. We We're out of water.
[49:07] >> We're out. You used it all. You got a
[49:10] long way. Going to have to buy some.
[49:12] >> So we that's what we buy our water with
[49:13] and just our our stuff that that
[49:15] miscellaneous stuff that we we fill our
[49:17] packs.
[49:17] >> Right out of uh Baldn Pul Creek
[49:20] Gatorade. So
[49:22] >> yeah, we've been eating bulb for six
[49:25] years. We've been eating those snacks
[49:26] and they got a little old. So
[49:28] >> we had a lot of snacks after Woodland
[49:30] Hills. I always bring all that water in
[49:31] and I just stack it in there.
[49:33] >> I let you put it where you want it.
[49:35] Check it.
[49:36] >> We've used it all. Uh gets hot in those
[49:39] trainings.
[49:40] >> Um certification, reertification. This
[49:42] is just made to resert. We have to
[49:44] reertify and certify people every year
[49:45] and it's a cost to us to do that from
[49:47] the uh certifying agency URA. um we have
[49:50] to pay anywhere from 40 to 150 per
[49:52] person to get reertified or new
[49:54] certifications. Uh instructor-led
[49:57] trainings, these are when we have to
[49:59] bring in out of out of uh department
[50:02] instructors for CPR instructors
[50:04] sometimes get paid and stuff like that.
[50:05] We have to pay the instructor to come
[50:06] certify our people. Um we have a
[50:09] miscellaneous which is just 150 bucks to
[50:11] pick up whatever I missed there. Um,
[50:15] the discretionary fund, that one is like
[50:18] the mayor said, that one's just if you
[50:20] have events come up or something that
[50:21] you need to use some discretionary money
[50:23] for. I don't usually use a lot of that.
[50:25] It goes back into the budget again, but
[50:27] it's there in case we need it. Take
[50:29] Senator McKel to lunch because he likes
[50:31] to go to a lot of lunches, I'm hearing,
[50:32] but so we get fire grants.
[50:35] >> If he's going to get us grants and look
[50:37] for it.
[50:37] >> Yeah. But and sometimes we have that
[50:40] gets used for if we have costs with
[50:41] grant applications and just
[50:42] miscellaneous things. We use that
[50:44] discretionary fund. Uh firefighter
[50:46] appreciation. This is our our dinner
[50:49] that we do every year for our
[50:50] firefighters. This is to pay for the
[50:52] dinner. Uh we also hand out awards and
[50:54] plaques. Uh it purchases all that stuff,
[50:56] pays the catering and stuff like that
[50:58] for our firefighters.
[50:59] >> It was just this last week.
[51:01] >> It was just last week. Yeah.
[51:02] >> She was amazing.
[51:05] >> Um fire equipment repairs and
[51:06] maintenance. This is about the same
[51:08] budget we've had year to year. Um, once
[51:10] again, that that could vary just
[51:11] depending on what breaks down. Uh, some
[51:14] years we don't need much and other years
[51:15] we need a little more, but that's kind
[51:17] of an average cost over the years that
[51:19] we've spent.
[51:21] Um,
[51:22] >> that can get wiped out pretty quick with
[51:23] tires.
[51:24] >> Yeah. Yeah. Tires and sometimes we have
[51:27] to fix the pump. And we do have also our
[51:30] pumps have to be certified every year.
[51:32] So, we have a company that comes out and
[51:33] certifies our pumps on our addresses. So
[51:36] it pays for our pumps to get certified
[51:37] every kind of stuff like that.
[51:39] >> We Yeah. State certification just for
[51:42] vehicles that we have to get done on all
[51:44] of them, that kind of stuff. So
[51:46] >> So fire fuel reduction. I broke this one
[51:49] down. Last year was just a lump sum
[51:51] number in the entirety of
[51:53] >> Yeah.
[51:54] >> Just try this one here.
[51:57] >> I don't know what that one. So fire
[51:58] capital outlay.
[52:01] That one is a capital that was set aside
[52:04] to replace, I think, our siren towers
[52:07] and our other equipment on a 15-year
[52:09] term.
[52:12] I don't know what we budgeted for that
[52:14] in the past.
[52:16] >> Have you looked into uh what new
[52:18] speakers would cost so we could actually
[52:20] understand what is being said when the
[52:22] sirens go off?
[52:24] >> Yeah. Then I did have another question
[52:26] on that is does that now go into
[52:27] emergency management versus fire?
[52:31] Yeah, that's a good question.
[52:33] >> I don't see that we have an emergency
[52:35] management budget on here because I
[52:37] thought it was going to come under fire,
[52:38] but I don't see that on here.
[52:39] >> I think it gets pulled out now from
[52:41] under fire.
[52:42] >> In 2023, we paid 11,220.
[52:47] In 2024, we paid 21,500.
[52:51] And then
[52:52] >> it's very inconsistent and I don't even
[52:53] know what it's used for. I don't think
[52:55] it's actually goes to expenses. I think
[52:57] it's a a capital fund.
[52:58] >> Okay.
[52:59] It was a capital fund, so it should
[53:01] still be somewhere in the budget because
[53:03] we haven't spent it.
[53:04] >> We pulled those capital funds out
[53:08] >> into the general, right?
[53:09] >> So, we don't have that budget.
[53:11] >> Yeah, we pulled all the funds out of the
[53:12] capital.
[53:13] >> Oh, yeah. I remember that.
[53:14] >> And put it into the general and it's
[53:16] going towards roads,
[53:17] >> right?
[53:19] >> So, we really don't have that fire
[53:21] capital outlay. And I think that money
[53:23] that's in there before is very dear to
[53:24] years. It's just been pulled out, put
[53:25] into the funds. And my guess is it was
[53:28] for replacing parts on sirens.
[53:31] >> Now, do we go into
[53:33] >> Does that go into the emergency
[53:35] management budget versus
[53:37] >> And I because of the way we're doing
[53:40] things now, I'd rather see that come in
[53:42] as a um you know, when we when we need
[53:46] to replace it, it comes in as a budget
[53:48] line item. We need to replace $10,000 in
[53:51] speakers and and it goes up here on on
[53:53] the list. and and I'm I think it's great
[53:56] to move it to emergency management. I
[53:59] think it falls directly in with what um
[54:03] Aaron's doing
[54:05] >> there. So,
[54:08] >> perfect.
[54:11] » Um so for the fire fuel production, this
[54:14] one is basically a category for our
[54:16] wildland fire. So this is the crew that
[54:19] goes out on the national fires every
[54:20] year and makes us money,
[54:22] >> but it pays for itself. pays for itself
[54:24] and then
[54:25] >> so isn't this kind of deceiving if we're
[54:27] approving
[54:29] >> the
[54:29] >> so we have to approve the budget so they
[54:31] spend the money
[54:32] >> still spending
[54:32] >> and then the money comes in
[54:34] >> the money comes back in to the general
[54:36] fund
[54:37] >> I just want that like thrown out there
[54:38] so people don't go wait what I thought
[54:40] it paid for itself
[54:41] >> yeah we actually made $130,000 on the
[54:45] program last year um so it more than
[54:48] pays for itself but we have to set this
[54:50] budget aside and once again this really
[54:52] isn't an increase in the budget
[54:53] It's just to keep our wildland crew
[54:56] budgeted for the year.
[54:57] >> Okay.
[54:58] >> Um we just we need some new hand we have
[55:00] to uh get new PPE for some firefighters,
[55:04] some hand tools for the truck, and some
[55:06] new hose because we've got a few hoses
[55:07] that got holes in them. Not great when
[55:08] you're on fire. They're in Nebraska
[55:10] right now and I think they're there till
[55:13] Saturday or Sunday. So this is their
[55:15] second deployment this year already.
[55:17] They've been on and they're full
[55:18] deployments.
[55:19] >> It's not looking good.
[55:20] >> No. No, it's not looking good. It's
[55:23] We're just on a fire in
[55:25] >> Spanish yesterday.
[55:26] >> Yep.
[55:28] >> We had a lot of fires.
[55:29] >> So, are we So,
[55:32] >> is Lance's stuff wearing out? Are we
[55:34] replacing? I mean, cuz he should be
[55:35] getting new stuff, too. Not every year,
[55:38] but as cuz cuz he wears it all the time.
[55:40] So, it's
[55:41] >> so far he tells me he's okay cuz he's
[55:43] had enough over the years.
[55:44] >> Okay. I just want to make sure
[55:46] >> again they they keep they wear out.
[55:49] their fire retardant
[55:52] wears out over time.
[55:53] >> He had a lot. So,
[55:54] >> he's actually selling us some of his cuz
[55:56] he's got so much of it.
[55:58] >> Um, so we don't have to buy it brand
[56:00] new.
[56:01] >> Safety is paramount in my mind with with
[56:04] those guys 100%. Yeah.
[56:05] >> And includes lunch.
[56:06] >> He's selling us all his yellow pants.
[56:09] >> Not yellow pants.
[56:10] >> He's got green.
[56:12] He's one of the lucky ones. Um, so the
[56:16] fire fuel reduction discretionary fund.
[56:18] Now, this one I thought about renaming.
[56:21] What that was was the hotel cost for our
[56:23] crew last year. Now, it's all
[56:25] reimburseable, right? We get that money
[56:26] paid back by the state, but all of our
[56:29] hotel expenses. All our motel expenses
[56:31] went to the discretionary. So, I wonder
[56:32] if we ought to call it like travel
[56:34] expenses or lodging expenses or
[56:36] something like that.
[56:37] >> Travel and lodging
[56:38] >> because I because they I just don't
[56:39] think there was a a better budget line
[56:42] item to put that in last year. So that's
[56:44] where it went.
[56:46] >> Don't they um they don't always have
[56:48] that? Like sometimes they're in tents
[56:49] and stuff, right? A lot of the time.
[56:51] >> Yeah.
[56:52] >> But um
[56:53] >> when it does happen, they get reimbured
[56:55] >> and traveling there and back too. They
[56:57] get hotel rooms, right? When they're
[56:59] traveling.
[56:59] >> Yeah.
[57:00] Yeah. We basically get all this
[57:02] money back plus some.
[57:03] >> Also, keep in mind, and I know we do get
[57:05] the money back, but there's sometimes we
[57:07] have to float it in the budget.
[57:10] >> Three months or so.
[57:12] those more from the Palisades fire.
[57:16] >> So we've got to float that money. So
[57:18] we've got to keep that balance, right?
[57:20] >> Yeah. So that's why we got to approve
[57:21] these budgets so that we can float the
[57:23] money until we get it back from the
[57:24] state.
[57:25] >> Makes sense.
[57:26] >> Yeah. Uh the fuel, same thing. Fuel just
[57:29] depends on how many fires they go on. It
[57:31] is only for their fuel cost is all that
[57:33] is. So there's not a lot of variable,
[57:35] but it varies depending on how many
[57:37] fires they go on for the year. Um, but
[57:39] that's generally about where we've kept
[57:41] it. Some years we spend about that much,
[57:43] some years a little less. And then the
[57:45] equipment repairs and maintenance, once
[57:47] again, that's just used to fix our truck
[57:49] or their pump if it goes out so they can
[57:51] keep active on the fires. That's just
[57:53] kind of an average cost we keep in
[57:54] there. Some years it's more or some
[57:56] years it's less, not usually much more
[57:58] than that, but if we don't spend it, it
[57:59] goes back into the budget and all
[58:02] reimburseable. Sometimes the fire pays
[58:04] to if they're on a fire and it breaks
[58:05] down, the fire will actually sometimes
[58:06] pay to fix that equipment.
[58:08] I have a question. I noticed that we
[58:10] didn't have anything on here in the
[58:12] budget for chipper days on spring and
[58:15] fall. And I know we try to get a grant
[58:17] every year, but it's not guaranteed. So,
[58:19] are we going to budget for that?
[58:23] >> Oh, it's under fire.
[58:25] >> Well, why wouldn't it be under fire?
[58:26] Because it's fire reduction.
[58:28] >> We'll talk about it here in a minute
[58:29] because that's an interesting one.
[58:31] >> Um,
[58:32] >> so do EMS. Are you gonna do the EMS?
[58:34] >> I can cover EMS. I went through this
[58:35] with Rachel. Um, so the miscellaneous
[58:39] medical supplies replacement, that's a
[58:40] budget that we've always had. Uh, not
[58:43] changing that budget, the 7500, we just
[58:45] keep that in there to replenish our
[58:46] medical supplies, which Brian actually
[58:48] does for us every year. We have to buy
[58:50] replacement equipment when we use
[58:51] bandages and whatever.
[58:54] So, what we don't get replaced by, we
[58:57] try to get as much as we can replaced by
[58:59] Salem because they charge for it, but
[59:01] not everything gets done that way. And
[59:03] when things expire,
[59:05] um, obviously we have to replace it. We
[59:07] just had to replace quite a bit, but
[59:09] we've been running a long time not
[59:12] spending that much. We we've done really
[59:14] well for a number of years. So,
[59:18] >> um, the medical training, this is one we
[59:21] did add this year um to it's it's in the equipment supplies budget,
[59:26] but
[59:27] >> So, how come it says training when it's
[59:28] the PPE?
[59:29] >> Yeah, that's because I probably didn't
[59:30] copy I copied. It shouldn't be training.
[59:33] That should
[59:34] >> should be PPE. So, change medical
[59:36] training to PPE if you go, man.
[59:39] >> Down one.
[59:39] >> Go up one.
[59:40] >> Right here.
[59:41] >> No. Up up up up up.
[59:44] >> The other up.
[59:45] >> Right there. There you go.
[59:46] >> I have a question real quick. Um, so you
[59:49] said that the fire budget wasn't um any
[59:52] different than it was in the past year.
[59:54] Is the EMS budget different other than
[59:56] the than the ambulance?
[59:59] >> Other than the ambulance. I just I just
[1:00:01] said that. I heard her. She said I said
[1:00:04] it. Other than that,
[1:00:05] >> I was giving you a hard time.
[1:00:07] >> I was just wondering is this is this
[1:00:09] about the same as it was last year?
[1:00:11] >> Went up a little bit. It went up about
[1:00:12] 30%. I'll tell you why. We'll explain
[1:00:14] why here in a second.
[1:00:15] >> Um
[1:00:16] >> more people.
[1:00:18] >> Yeah, more people. Well, as as you know,
[1:00:20] we've now getting we're getting our own
[1:00:22] license,
[1:00:23] >> which opens the door for people to join
[1:00:25] our EMT family and get state insurance
[1:00:29] if they have no other means of getting
[1:00:30] insurance. We've had a number of
[1:00:32] inquiries
[1:00:34] >> and I think that's getting pretty
[1:00:35] active. One of the things we also felt
[1:00:38] is and this we'll talk about the medical
[1:00:40] PPE. We felt like it's not fair to ask
[1:00:43] our volunteers to buy their own pants
[1:00:45] and boots
[1:00:47] um for EM for EMT. So, we thought we
[1:00:50] would add uh enough for three new EMTs
[1:00:53] to get them a pair of pants and boots as
[1:00:56] EMTs. And also, they're covering shifts
[1:00:58] for us now. So, we run as as we've
[1:01:00] talked about before, we we have someone
[1:01:02] on shift 24 hours a day. And so, uh,
[1:01:05] this just helps us
[1:01:08] also get more volunteers in our
[1:01:10] community and for to, you know, to
[1:01:12] expect them to have to come join a
[1:01:14] volunteer department, then buy their own
[1:01:15] equipment, which I'm not that's how
[1:01:17] we've done it in the past. Um but if we
[1:01:20] get uh if we can incentivize people to do that for for
[1:01:24] >> not that it matters
[1:01:26] where it is but where do you do you know
[1:01:29] where the money is that we're paying um
[1:01:32] Dr. Meyers for and things like that
[1:01:35] because we do have some additional fees
[1:01:37] now that it it it's costing us more with
[1:01:41] our own license.
[1:01:43] >> So it's just buried in there.
[1:01:45] >> It's kind of it's kind of buried. We we
[1:01:47] cover that in a lot of the miscellaneous
[1:01:49] certification trainings and stuff like
[1:01:50] that. Um
[1:01:52] >> so that is another reason for it
[1:01:54] increases. We've got more.
[1:01:55] >> Keep in mind these are just the variable
[1:01:56] things. There's a few things in EMS that
[1:01:58] are not you're not seeing here that are
[1:01:59] just
[1:02:01] >> are they in the
[1:02:02] >> just nonvariable cost if you got that.
[1:02:06] >> Now I'm not sure if we've got this one
[1:02:07] in there or not. So we've got wage
[1:02:09] equipment training appreciation
[1:02:10] equipment fuel equipment. So it just
[1:02:13] comes out of kind of the general usually
[1:02:16] equipment supplies is where most things
[1:02:17] comes out of
[1:02:20] and we can also pull it out of wages.
[1:02:22] You see our wages went up a little bit
[1:02:23] this year.
[1:02:25] Uh but that was to help with some new
[1:02:27] people but also cover some of our costs.
[1:02:30] That's where we included that.
[1:02:31] >> It's on this this sheet.
[1:02:33] >> So we did raise that up by about $3,000
[1:02:35] this year and that was to cover some of
[1:02:38] those medical those Dr. Meyer expenses
[1:02:39] and stuff like that. Okay.
[1:02:42] >> Um, where do we get to? So, training.
[1:02:45] Um, so we have uh certification
[1:02:49] trainings. Um,
[1:02:52] the $6,000 is normally what we keep in
[1:02:54] there. That pays for about four people
[1:02:57] plus other certifications we have to go
[1:02:59] to EMT school. It's about $1,500 to send
[1:03:01] someone to get certified as an EMT. So,
[1:03:04] we keep roughly around $6,000 in that
[1:03:06] budget just so we can send new people.
[1:03:07] Sometimes we send use that budget. we
[1:03:10] have enough people to get them
[1:03:10] certified. Sometimes we don't use all of
[1:03:12] it. It varies, but we try to keep about
[1:03:13] that amount to certify EMTs. Medical
[1:03:16] training. This one did go up. And the
[1:03:18] reason is the EMT conference. Now, uh
[1:03:21] this is where our EMTs go get a lot of
[1:03:22] their hours, certification hours. It was
[1:03:25] in Provo, which was very easy for us to
[1:03:27] get to and from. Now it's in Salt Lake,
[1:03:29] down basically downtown Salt Lake. So,
[1:03:31] we've increased that budget so people
[1:03:33] don't have to travel back and forth
[1:03:34] necessarily each day if they don't want
[1:03:36] to for the two or three days. they can
[1:03:38] we can get them on some lodging up
[1:03:39] there. Uh some travel and stuff like
[1:03:41] that.
[1:03:43] Uh appreciation that goes towards our
[1:03:46] appreciation dinner that we do for fire
[1:03:47] and EMS new ambulance. Um
[1:03:51] >> will you reiterate we seem to have a
[1:03:53] false narrative out there. Will you re
[1:03:55] reiterate where the money is coming from
[1:03:57] for the new ambulance?
[1:03:59] >> So the new ambulance we budgeted and had
[1:04:01] approved by the council 100 to spend up
[1:04:02] to $150,000 on new ambulance. The money
[1:04:05] for this is coming from the sale of our
[1:04:07] fire engine. So Brian right now is in
[1:04:10] the process of getting our fire engine
[1:04:11] listed, our second fire engine, because
[1:04:13] we have two fire engines. We got the new
[1:04:15] one a couple years ago. Our old one, we
[1:04:17] just no longer use it. Uh we hung on to
[1:04:20] it for a couple years in case we saw a
[1:04:22] need for it. For example, if we go on
[1:04:25] these EMACs, it's nice to send one
[1:04:27] engine on an Emac and have one in the
[1:04:28] city, but those are so far and few
[1:04:30] between that I don't think it's worth
[1:04:31] the cost of trying to keep a second
[1:04:33] engine here when we could use another
[1:04:34] ambulance.
[1:04:34] >> And we're going to talk about selling
[1:04:36] the engine here.
[1:04:36] >> That'll come up on a budget item. So,
[1:04:38] we're going to sell the fire engine. Uh
[1:04:40] I think it's estimated $180 to $200,000
[1:04:43] is what that will sell for. So, that
[1:04:45] will cover the cost of our ambulance.
[1:04:47] >> Okay. Thank you.
[1:04:47] >> If I remember this 150 was an approval
[1:04:50] limit. It's not that that's not what
[1:04:52] you're expecting to spend, but it's just
[1:04:54] you want to be able to get the right
[1:04:55] engine or the right ambulance if it's
[1:04:57] available. You don't want to have it yet
[1:04:59] cuz it's a they they go quick, right?
[1:05:00] >> Yeah. These ones go quick. These ones
[1:05:02] we're looking at. Ambulances are hard to
[1:05:03] find on the market. When you find a good
[1:05:04] one, if you don't jump on it,
[1:05:06] >> you won't get it. So So the cost for
[1:05:08] this is being covered by the sellar fire
[1:05:10] engine.
[1:05:10] >> Perfect.
[1:05:11] >> Thank you.
[1:05:13] >> Um EMS equipment supplies. Um
[1:05:18] that's Oh, that's emergency management
[1:05:19] equipment supplies. I'm not sure why
[1:05:21] that one's there.
[1:05:23] >> Just to keep you on your toes, Ted.
[1:05:24] >> Yeah, that one probably should go under
[1:05:26] It's probably been there in the past,
[1:05:27] but we probably should move that under
[1:05:29] emergency management now.
[1:05:30] >> Do we have an emergency management?
[1:05:33] >> Um, yeah, we do.
[1:05:35] >> We don't have it. We just don't have it
[1:05:37] on on these sheets that we're talking
[1:05:38] about.
[1:05:39] >> No, it's on the fixed one.
[1:05:40] >> It's meant I meant on these ones that
[1:05:43] staff is talking about.
[1:05:44] >> No, because he's this is wish list,
[1:05:46] >> right? But Aaron's a staff
[1:05:50] >> and he doesn't get
[1:05:55] » I know what happens if I open it up to
[1:05:57] Aaron man we are getting all sorts of
[1:06:00] stuff. So
[1:06:03] >> it's not a variable. There are a couple
[1:06:04] of things that if we're talking about
[1:06:06] emergency management as I'm I'm the
[1:06:08] liazison over that um that we we in the
[1:06:12] past we have paid for our annual dues to
[1:06:15] what's called UEIA the Utah Emergency
[1:06:18] Management Association and I would like
[1:06:20] those dues put on that budget as well as
[1:06:23] for him to be able to um um go to the
[1:06:28] conferences that they have and and the
[1:06:30] other items that they have um that are
[1:06:32] available for emergency managers for
[1:06:35] training and certifications and whatnot.
[1:06:37] >> So, we have
[1:06:38] >> those would come here.
[1:06:40] >> Staff staff.
[1:06:42] >> So, I just was wanting to make sure that
[1:06:45] if that I I was going to ask it earlier
[1:06:47] if that was still if we still have been
[1:06:49] paying it for those those years because
[1:06:51] I haven't been really paying attention
[1:06:53] of exactly which subscriptions and and
[1:06:57] whatnot that we've been paying. But that
[1:06:59] is um something that I wanted to bring
[1:07:01] to everyone's attention. There are a few
[1:07:03] things in that that should be included.
[1:07:08] >> Okay. Thank you.
[1:07:12] » Okay, Ted, it's still you.
[1:07:16] >> Some public improvements.
[1:07:18] >> I can't see the screen yet. Okay, so
[1:07:20] roads, uh, public improvements. Um,
[1:07:23] streets professional and technical. This
[1:07:25] is money we pay engineers, uh, who do
[1:07:28] our designs for us to get bid documents
[1:07:29] ready when we have projects we need to
[1:07:30] put out to bid.
[1:07:32] This year, um, we were looking at a
[1:07:34] storm drain project. Um,
[1:07:38] so we had a flood study that was done a
[1:07:40] few years ago that we got grant money
[1:07:41] for from FEMA. And in there, they
[1:07:44] identified about a half a dozen
[1:07:45] improvements to help with the flooding
[1:07:48] from our community into other
[1:07:50] communities. We tackled one of those
[1:07:52] this year uh by doing some improvements
[1:07:54] to a detention basin. This is the next
[1:07:57] project on the list, this East Summit
[1:07:59] Creek detention basin. Mhm.
[1:08:00] >> Um so the professional services is the
[1:08:03] cost for the engineering and then the
[1:08:06] next budget item is the cost for the
[1:08:08] actual project. That's what was
[1:08:09] estimated in the flood study.
[1:08:12] Um so that would tackle another storm
[1:08:14] water project uh next year.
[1:08:18] Uh road supplies.
[1:08:21] Uh we talked about maybe combining even
[1:08:23] a couple of these items because there's
[1:08:25] enough of them to get confused.
[1:08:27] Um, road supplies really is just keeps
[1:08:30] us in whatever we prefer our are uh to
[1:08:33] keep our roads maintained. Signs, posts,
[1:08:36] equipment, stuff like that. Um,
[1:08:39] crack seal if we have to buy crack seal.
[1:08:41] Uh, few things like that. Road supplies.
[1:08:43] It's not really changed from last year,
[1:08:44] just carrying over kind of similar what
[1:08:46] we had last year. Discretionary, the
[1:08:48] same thing as the rest of the budgets.
[1:08:49] This is just to catch anything that that
[1:08:51] we miss. Um
[1:08:54] that could fall under miscellaneous if
[1:08:55] we have to order something or
[1:08:57] advertising or whatever. Tools and
[1:09:00] equipment. Um I think we can combine
[1:09:02] that one with our supplies and just call
[1:09:03] supplies and equipment. Um I think when
[1:09:07] court was here, he liked to break them
[1:09:08] out a little more detail than I think we
[1:09:10] really need to. And I know that was
[1:09:11] because different people different sides
[1:09:13] of the building down there. So they kept
[1:09:15] things very separate back then. I don't
[1:09:17] think we need to do that as much
[1:09:18] anymore.
[1:09:20] Um, and once again, this is just to
[1:09:23] replace any tools that break down. It's
[1:09:25] kind of a carryover item with same with
[1:09:27] the supplies.
[1:09:29] Ted, can I ask you your professional
[1:09:32] opinion?
[1:09:34] We've identified our flood zones and and our and our runoffs and we've
[1:09:40] already been
[1:09:43] not threatened but talked to by the
[1:09:45] county basically threatened. Um if we
[1:09:49] don't proceed in some sort of planned
[1:09:53] fashion with this, I'm guessing we could
[1:09:56] be it could get us into some big pretty
[1:09:58] big trouble,
[1:09:59] >> legal trouble. So, I'll give you kind of the the words
[1:10:05] that we heard. Um, there was some
[1:10:07] flooding that happened a few years back
[1:10:09] and it flooded a house down in they're
[1:10:11] actually in the county, but as you go
[1:10:12] down into Salem, um, they sued the
[1:10:15] county
[1:10:17] >> and the county just took on the lawsuit
[1:10:20] and then they came and met with us and
[1:10:21] said that water came from your city, so
[1:10:24] any if this continues, we're just going
[1:10:26] to send them your way. uh you know come
[1:10:29] after you guys if you don't manage your
[1:10:31] flood water. So that was hence when we
[1:10:33] got the funding from FEMA we did the
[1:10:35] flood study fair how to manage our water
[1:10:37] and now these are the projects that are
[1:10:39] helping us to do that. One of the
[1:10:41] projects is going to be completed by
[1:10:42] three bridges uh as part of their
[1:10:44] development.
[1:10:44] >> Y
[1:10:45] >> they're actually going to do one of the
[1:10:46] projects for us uh cuz it's a
[1:10:48] combination of woodland hills and three
[1:10:49] bridges. They need it. We need it.
[1:10:51] They're just going to go ahead and do
[1:10:52] it. Uh so that takes care of one of
[1:10:54] them. This is another one and then we
[1:10:56] got a couple more to do. So this might
[1:10:57] even be a one.
[1:10:59] >> It might even be a one.
[1:11:00] >> That's kind of my thought process on it
[1:11:02] is that we could get in a little bit of
[1:11:04] trouble if we didn't proceed with
[1:11:05] mitigation.
[1:11:06] >> If you Yeah. On the right you see staff
[1:11:08] priority. They're they're putting like
[1:11:10] how important they are.
[1:11:11] >> Yep. They got two. That's why I'm
[1:11:13] thinking it might be close to a one.
[1:11:15] >> We don't want to get sued.
[1:11:17] >> Yeah. It could be close to a one. Uh
[1:11:19] it's been that way for years, but you
[1:11:21] know, it's probably time to take care of
[1:11:22] it. So,
[1:11:23] >> and we already put some money into the
[1:11:24] one that they did at the corner of 11200
[1:11:27] and and lover used that basin. That's
[1:11:30] right.
[1:11:31] >> That's what he was talking about. We've
[1:11:33] already done the one.
[1:11:34] >> Mhm.
[1:11:34] >> Well, and we've done another one this
[1:11:36] year as well besides that one. We did
[1:11:37] one up in um
[1:11:39] >> that basin that kind of goes off into
[1:11:40] Elkridge. So, we were sending flood
[1:11:42] water down into Elkridge and we had
[1:11:43] detention basin that wasn't
[1:11:45] >> completely built correctly. So, we we
[1:11:47] corrected that one this year
[1:11:50] >> because Elkridge, same thing. They came
[1:11:51] to us and said, "You guys keep flooding
[1:11:53] Loafer Canyon Road." So,
[1:11:54] >> and the county is doing those projects
[1:11:57] except for three bridges. We just pay
[1:11:59] our portion of it for them to complete
[1:12:01] it.
[1:12:01] >> That one. These ones are all
[1:12:02] >> ours. Yeah.
[1:12:04] >> Um,
[1:12:06] so the streets general maintenance
[1:12:09] including the PMP. This is what you call
[1:12:11] personal something projectile.
[1:12:15] » No. No.
[1:12:18] >> Personalized.
[1:12:18] >> Personal motorized.
[1:12:20] >> Personalized. Yeah,
[1:12:21] >> motorized
[1:12:22] project.
[1:12:23] >> So, this is the uh this is the phase
[1:12:27] three of our project management plan
[1:12:29] projects. This completes all the roads
[1:12:32] being completed with the exception of
[1:12:35] those that we have to replace water
[1:12:36] lines in generally on this kind of
[1:12:38] easterly side of the city. So, this
[1:12:41] completes that phase three. This is the
[1:12:42] one that we would bond for. So, it's
[1:12:45] showing here as an approved budget item,
[1:12:47] but it's also going to be bonded for,
[1:12:50] >> but the money that we would get for
[1:12:52] financing is also added into the amount
[1:12:55] that we have to spend. So, if you don't
[1:12:57] approve it, we have to take that amount
[1:12:58] of money out,
[1:13:00] >> right?
[1:13:00] >> So, it's a wash. So, any of those that
[1:13:02] are in yellow,
[1:13:05] you you know, you'd have to take the
[1:13:06] money out if you don't approve those.
[1:13:08] >> So, there's the revenue right there.
[1:13:09] That's the bond money coming in,
[1:13:12] >> just so you know. So that that's clear.
[1:13:16] So
[1:13:16] >> So that's what that project is. Um
[1:13:21] vehicle repairs and maintenance. This is
[1:13:23] repair our uh like our mower if it
[1:13:26] breaks down. Our uh
[1:13:28] >> if Peterson breaks Oh, good. He's on his
[1:13:30] mission. It
[1:13:33] >> it just our various equipment. If a
[1:13:35] street sweeper breaks down, um the truck
[1:13:38] that totally fire or on tires, right? or
[1:13:42] plow trucks because you don't have plow
[1:13:43] trucks on there but that doesn't come at
[1:13:45] least plow that's in the snow plow
[1:13:47] >> that's in the snow plow okay
[1:13:49] >> so this is just loader service truck any
[1:13:51] >> yeah part of this the service truck
[1:13:54] toy's truck few things like that
[1:13:56] anything that lawn mower or whatever
[1:13:57] breaks down just gives us some money to
[1:13:58] fix it
[1:14:00] um capital outlay once again I'm not
[1:14:03] sure where that was going even I'm
[1:14:05] guessing it was going into the capital
[1:14:06] budget then coming back into the general
[1:14:08] fund and now it's been
[1:14:09] >> it's we moved it to the general fund is
[1:14:11] No, not that might be for the service
[1:14:13] truck, but we're putting money away.
[1:14:18] >> Classy road maintenance that really goes
[1:14:20] up in should probably go as part of our
[1:14:21] street's general maintenance, too. That
[1:14:23] is the we get classy road funds about
[1:14:25] 100,000 every year. We get from the
[1:14:27] state that comes from the gas tax, the
[1:14:31] tax on gas. Uh our city gets based on
[1:14:33] our it's based on the number of road
[1:14:35] miles you have and we get about 100,000
[1:14:38] every year from the state. And that just
[1:14:40] basically goes towards our maintenance
[1:14:42] of our streets.
[1:14:45] >> Okay.
[1:14:47] >> Um
[1:14:50] >> you said we get 100,000.
[1:14:52] >> It's a little over generally. Yeah, a
[1:14:54] little over 100,000.
[1:14:56] Snowplow um supplies. This is just to
[1:14:59] buy miscellaneous supplies. Um
[1:15:03] we can probably combine that. Once
[1:15:04] again, Ben, same thing. Probably combine
[1:15:06] it with the tools and the equipment.
[1:15:07] Just make it all one. Um because really
[1:15:09] what we use
[1:15:12] >> except forget to buy reflectors or
[1:15:14] things.
[1:15:15] >> Yeah. Reflectors or replacement blades.
[1:15:18] Miscellaneous truck
[1:15:19] >> straps.
[1:15:21] >> Isn't there something on the blade if
[1:15:22] I'm remembering? Like a little strip
[1:15:24] that sometimes comes off.
[1:15:25] >> That's what we have to replace. It's a
[1:15:27] wear bar.
[1:15:28] >> Wear bar. Yeah, I could.
[1:15:28] >> We have to replace those every year.
[1:15:30] They're about $3,000 to replace the
[1:15:32] entirety of the thing.
[1:15:32] >> And they're just under the blade
[1:15:34] replacement as well. Or are they a
[1:15:36] separate one? No, under it falls under
[1:15:38] snow plow tools and equipment which will
[1:15:41] be uh
[1:15:42] >> Well, he's got a line in here for the
[1:15:43] blade replacement.
[1:15:45] >> I was just wanting to make sure that
[1:15:46] blade the whole blade compared to the wear bar.
[1:15:50] >> It's just the wear
[1:15:54] >> and then miscellaneous truck parts. Um
[1:16:00] that's usually just used for anything
[1:16:02] that breaks down in the snow plows um
[1:16:05] during the year. Now that they're
[1:16:08] leased, you know, we might could look at
[1:16:10] the budget
[1:16:11] >> tires and
[1:16:13] >> tires, hydraulic lines,
[1:16:16] >> lights, electronics,
[1:16:20] >> but that's also kind of in the supplies
[1:16:22] as well. So, I mean, it's it's a budget
[1:16:25] line item we keep in there. We don't
[1:16:27] always spend all of it. Sometimes we do
[1:16:28] spend, depending on our plows are now
[1:16:30] leased, so generally they're fairly new,
[1:16:33] so we just almost don't replace tires on
[1:16:36] too often before we give them back.
[1:16:39] >> Um,
[1:16:40] >> and since we use the trucks for winter
[1:16:42] and summer, is the is the the budget
[1:16:46] that you have for both of them one's in
[1:16:48] another spot and or is this for year
[1:16:50] round?
[1:16:50] >> Yeah, we don't use them a lot during
[1:16:51] summer.
[1:16:52] >> Okay. You're not using them for the
[1:16:55] that was part of I thought leasing them
[1:16:57] these trucks because they could be used
[1:16:58] for other purposes.
[1:16:59] >> They do have dump beds on them if we
[1:17:00] need them and they have been used a few
[1:17:02] times for the dumb beds, but mostly now
[1:17:04] that we have the loader, we use that a
[1:17:05] lot more.
[1:17:06] >> Okay.
[1:17:07] >> Mostly just for plowing. In fact, the
[1:17:09] next round we go, we're probably going
[1:17:11] to get one without a dumb bed. Saves us
[1:17:13] about $20,000.
[1:17:13] >> I was going to say it's cheaper, right?
[1:17:15] >> Do we include the lease for the loader?
[1:17:18] >> I
[1:17:20] for the loader. It's a fixed item.
[1:17:22] >> So, we did have
[1:17:23] >> Yeah, it's I made some notes off to the
[1:17:27] side which ones were going to leases.
[1:17:29] >> Awesome.
[1:17:30] >> And it was a fixed, not a very
[1:17:34] » because it was split between roads
[1:17:37] and something else.
[1:17:39] >> Water.
[1:17:40] >> Yeah.
[1:17:42] >> Lower right there. Lower service truck.
[1:17:45] So, it wasn't a principal debt interest.
[1:17:48] So, it was not a variable item.
[1:17:52] Ted all done and perfect. What would be
[1:17:56] the annual maintenance?
[1:18:00] >> Um,
[1:18:01] that's a good question.
[1:18:04] >> Never had them all.
[1:18:06] >> I know.
[1:18:06] >> I actually had a resident ask me that
[1:18:08] question. I went back and tried to
[1:18:09] figure it out one day, another resident,
[1:18:12] and I was trying to calculate it because
[1:18:13] he had this very same question. I said,
[1:18:15] "Well, I don't have a lot of history to
[1:18:16] go off of because we've never had them
[1:18:18] that way." Um, so I tried to come up
[1:18:21] with some numbers. It would probably cut
[1:18:22] our maintenance costs in half.
[1:18:24] >> So we've got some roads that are, you
[1:18:27] know, still almost new. What does it
[1:18:30] take every year? What do we do every
[1:18:31] year?
[1:18:33] >> So
[1:18:33] >> counting what we when we have to redo
[1:18:35] them.
[1:18:35] >> So generally what I Well, so here's my
[1:18:38] thought. Um, so like the roads we just
[1:18:40] finished um probably after about it
[1:18:43] depends on what we did for them. So,
[1:18:44] like the ones that we just put the
[1:18:46] slurry seal on, um, we should come back
[1:18:48] and put a fog seal over those here in a
[1:18:50] couple years. Probably 50 100,000 to do
[1:18:52] that.
[1:18:53] >> Some years you might do skip an entire
[1:18:56] year after that.
[1:18:57] >> Oh, but he has a a
[1:18:59] >> remember the formula,
[1:19:00] >> the pavement management plan and that
[1:19:03] will be rotating through everything so
[1:19:05] that they won't get so bad that it takes
[1:19:08] so much to redo them. They'll
[1:19:10] >> be on the same timeline. So, it works
[1:19:12] out.
[1:19:12] >> So, it works out. So if we once we get
[1:19:14] all these roads if we just so normally
[1:19:16] we keep about 100,000 is what we
[1:19:18] historically kept in that budget for
[1:19:19] maintenance
[1:19:20] >> and if we just
[1:19:21] >> so what we get from the state if I I
[1:19:23] mean that would be the dream that's why
[1:19:24] I'm like wow
[1:19:27] >> we can get on top of this and stay on
[1:19:29] top
[1:19:29] >> the challenge is going to be getting all
[1:19:30] these roads over here the worst roads
[1:19:32] are the ones that need to be done and
[1:19:34] >> biggest expense
[1:19:35] >> biggest yeah our biggest expense it cost
[1:19:37] about $20,000 if we have a huge like
[1:19:40] fail spot to fix um Poth holes usually
[1:19:43] four to five.
[1:19:44] >> Another fund we get to add to that
[1:19:46] because the water
[1:19:47] >> pothole 4 to 5,000.
[1:19:50] >> Okay, let's keep going.
[1:19:51] >> Road salt. Where did we get to supplies?
[1:19:54] Okay, we got road salt. Uh that's just
[1:19:56] what we spent historically. That varies
[1:19:57] depending on the year. Last year we
[1:19:59] spent about 26,000
[1:20:01] >> and we still have
[1:20:02] >> and we still got half a shed full down
[1:20:04] there.
[1:20:06] >> So I just thought let's maybe if we just
[1:20:08] keep that budget the same in case we
[1:20:10] need the salt. If we don't, it goes back
[1:20:12] into the budget,
[1:20:13] >> right?
[1:20:14] >> But if we have a bad year, like
[1:20:16] >> three years ago, we had a really heavy
[1:20:17] year. We used about $60,000.
[1:20:19] >> We had like nine months of winter that
[1:20:20] year.
[1:20:21] >> Yeah. So, it just varies year to year.
[1:20:23] >> We needed it though.
[1:20:26] >> All right.
[1:20:26] >> Um
[1:20:29] fuel once again, the fuel is just a
[1:20:31] whatever. It depends on the years how
[1:20:33] much of that we use. Not a lot of vary.
[1:20:34] I just The interesting thing was I think
[1:20:36] we fill all our plows from our service
[1:20:38] truck. So historically that budget on
[1:20:42] him has been zero last year or sorry the
[1:20:45] budget was there for 5,000 but we didn't
[1:20:47] spend any in the budget because Toby's
[1:20:49] going down and filling up the service
[1:20:50] truck
[1:20:51] >> the roads budget with
[1:20:53] >> the tank on the back of the service
[1:20:54] truck and then that would be used to
[1:20:56] fill the plows. So it came out of the
[1:20:58] roads budget
[1:20:59] >> for the plows. So we got to make that
[1:21:01] track a little better.
[1:21:02] >> Okay.
[1:21:02] >> But that's about the budget we keep. Um
[1:21:04] snow plows repairs and maintenance. Uh
[1:21:07] once again, this is oil changes.
[1:21:09] Whatever we need to do there can
[1:21:10] probably be combined with someone's The
[1:21:12] other ones are equipment and tools for
[1:21:14] blades and all that stuff. This one's do
[1:21:16] uh tires, oil changes, stuff like that.
[1:21:21] Um parts, chipper days.
[1:21:23] >> Last section. Okay,
[1:21:24] >> last section. Chipper days. Um so we've
[1:21:28] usually had 10,000 all that. Now we
[1:21:31] don't have any expense for chipper days.
[1:21:35] Um the county comes up and does all our
[1:21:37] chipping.
[1:21:39] So
[1:21:40] >> don't we sometimes have our staff help
[1:21:42] though?
[1:21:43] >> But here's my thought.
[1:21:44] >> We do and that comes out of our fire
[1:21:45] fuel mitigation budget.
[1:21:47] >> Yeah. That's why I was confused or or
[1:21:50] we're volunteering our time
[1:21:52] >> or we're volunteering our time.
[1:21:53] >> So we don't have a lot of money that we
[1:21:55] ever spend on chipper days. So my
[1:21:56] thought was if we keep uh so I've been
[1:21:59] talking to the state about getting a
[1:22:01] grant for our city to have a chipper.
[1:22:04] Um, this way it can be used periodically
[1:22:06] throughout the year when we need to chip
[1:22:08] stuff. Uh, the state thought we'd have a
[1:22:11] good chance at getting a grant for a
[1:22:12] chipper. So, I thought maybe we put a
[1:22:14] little money aside in that for a grant
[1:22:16] match. So, that's what that 5,000 is.
[1:22:18] It'd be a grant match towards getting a
[1:22:19] chipper.
[1:22:20] >> And it'd be good for our mitigation crew
[1:22:22] when they're in town.
[1:22:25] >> They could actually make money in town
[1:22:26] with it if we're have if we're doing
[1:22:27] residents properties. So, I like
[1:22:29] >> Yeah. How many have they like a couple
[1:22:31] summers ago when they did quite a few of
[1:22:33] them? How many resident How many homes
[1:22:35] did were were they able to do
[1:22:36] residences? They did a few, right?
[1:22:39] >> Cherries. The cherries.
[1:22:41] >> They did like a half a dozen a years ago
[1:22:42] when we had them in town a little more
[1:22:44] residents pay our city to have them come
[1:22:46] out and do it. Um this year we've got uh
[1:22:50] one resident that's paid us so far for a
[1:22:53] big piece of property. Um
[1:22:55] >> yeah, so we'll offer that every year.
[1:22:57] And if we have our own chipper, that
[1:22:58] just makes it much easier.
[1:23:00] >> Easier.
[1:23:01] >> Do we have a date for chipper day this
[1:23:02] year? And are we planning on buying
[1:23:04] this? If if this goes through, would we
[1:23:06] buy it on
[1:23:08] >> We wouldn't be using that this money for
[1:23:11] this May. We would maybe buy it for the
[1:23:13] fall shipping day for next year's
[1:23:14] budget. Yeah.
[1:23:16] >> But we'd still do one in May this year
[1:23:18] for the residents.
[1:23:20] >> Crossing our fingers. Yes.
[1:23:21] >> Okay.
[1:23:22] >> I can't give a date yet.
[1:23:23] >> Okay.
[1:23:24] >> State won't let me right now. Well, and
[1:23:26] the county has to be available, too.
[1:23:29] >> Yeah, that depends. The county might not
[1:23:31] be like to help us because it's going to
[1:23:34] be such a big fire year for them.
[1:23:36] >> They might be gone.
[1:23:37] >> I've talked to the county. We've got a
[1:23:39] tenative date, but they don't want to
[1:23:40] release it yet until we that we can
[1:23:42] verify that everything's going to be
[1:23:44] okay.
[1:23:45] >> And it can vary if they get call on
[1:23:47] fires. It's a busy year this year. Uh
[1:23:49] the state's already been called three
[1:23:51] times to different states and we've been
[1:23:53] on two of them. Um, PTR budget, that's
[1:23:57] just a carryover. I Whatever they spend
[1:23:59] that on, I'm not sure.
[1:24:01] >> Half a million.
[1:24:05] >> Uh, city celebrations. That one I did
[1:24:08] bump up. That's our Wooden Hills Days,
[1:24:10] Maple Days, all that stuff. That one we
[1:24:12] just about, we went just slightly over
[1:24:14] 14,000 last year, like 142, so I bumped
[1:24:16] it to 145.
[1:24:17] >> Yeah. And, um, our our meal costs a
[1:24:20] little bit more every year. And then we
[1:24:22] just have some of the costs cost more.
[1:24:23] And this year it is that I actually was
[1:24:26] looking at that. I'm like, can we bump
[1:24:27] it to 15? Just it's the 250 celebration
[1:24:30] and we want to do some extra things. So,
[1:24:33] yeah.
[1:24:34] >> Well, don't do we have any
[1:24:37] anything coming from any grants or
[1:24:39] anything with 250?
[1:24:42] >> We may
[1:24:43] >> uh that'll come potentially from the
[1:24:45] county. I'm working on that right now.
[1:24:47] Thought
[1:24:47] >> we had something somebody
[1:24:48] >> something in the works. We just don't
[1:24:49] know yet. So,
[1:24:51] >> yeah, that'll be about $1,500.
[1:24:53] Okay. And if we get that then yeah,
[1:24:56] we're good.
[1:24:58] >> Um, the strange sprinkler part. So, our
[1:25:01] repairs and maintenance, this is really,
[1:25:02] so sprinkler repair, that's just we put
[1:25:05] 2500 in there. We have various repairs
[1:25:07] through the year on our sprinkler
[1:25:08] system, stuff like that. Um, I've been
[1:25:10] setting aside about 10 grand a year to
[1:25:12] replace our trail uh as it goes around
[1:25:15] the park because it's falling apart.
[1:25:17] Last year, we did about 10 grand of
[1:25:19] trail replacement. Um, this year I'd
[1:25:21] like to just budget another section of
[1:25:23] replacement. Um, just chip away at that
[1:25:26] thing over the next five or so years and
[1:25:28] see if we can get it replaced. Um, and
[1:25:31] then playground equipment. This is kind
[1:25:33] of a big wish list item. We've got lots
[1:25:35] of feedback that they would like to see
[1:25:36] that replaced and get some better
[1:25:39] equipment. So, I thought if we start
[1:25:40] budgeting, maybe we can do some pieces
[1:25:43] or something like that at a time.
[1:25:45] >> Replace the section. We still have those
[1:25:47] old little
[1:25:48] >> Yeah. And they're like broken.
[1:25:50] >> Yeah. So, I thought maybe if we start
[1:25:52] budgeting for a little bit of that.
[1:25:53] >> Does this include
[1:25:54] >> chipping away at it?
[1:25:55] >> Chips/ rubber as well in that 10,000.
[1:26:00] >> Yeah.
[1:26:01] >> Okay.
[1:26:01] >> And chips we replaced last year, so we
[1:26:03] should be okay this year.
[1:26:04] >> Well, depends on how much compacts. I
[1:26:06] mean, we just we're have to go out and
[1:26:08] measure it.
[1:26:09] >> You know, when we first put that
[1:26:10] equipment in, we we kind of had a a
[1:26:14] fundraiser or whatever. different
[1:26:16] citizens got together and raised the
[1:26:19] money amongst themselves to buy the
[1:26:21] equipment originally. I don't know if
[1:26:23] they would be interested in doing that
[1:26:25] again.
[1:26:26] >> Yeah, I don't know if they'd be
[1:26:28] interested in doing that again. You
[1:26:29] know, people who use that equipment
[1:26:31] might
[1:26:32] >> grants you can actually and it could be
[1:26:34] the match to the grant. He found a grant
[1:26:36] for playground equipment.
[1:26:38] >> Um, and maybe one other thing to just
[1:26:40] mention in parks uh not showing in the
[1:26:42] budget is we did apply for a grant.
[1:26:44] Well, I talk about other grants. Never
[1:26:46] mind.
[1:26:46] >> Yeah, we're gonna do that in a minute.
[1:26:47] >> Yeah, never mind. I'll leave that for
[1:26:48] grants.
[1:26:49] >> Okay,
[1:26:50] >> perfect.
[1:26:53] >> Okay.
[1:26:56] >> Go, Janet.
[1:26:57] >> No. Are we going to go through and take
[1:27:00] turns?
[1:27:01] >> Yeah.
[1:27:02] So,
[1:27:03] >> well, what I want to first start with
[1:27:04] here is let's go to the yellows. Um,
[1:27:08] so new ambulance, uh, it has been
[1:27:12] already approved. Uh does anybody have
[1:27:14] any opposition in me putting a check
[1:27:16] there?
[1:27:17] >> No.
[1:27:19] >> Perfect. Okay. Um also uh the pavement
[1:27:24] management plan. Uh believe this is what
[1:27:26] Ted, is this phase three or is this
[1:27:28] phase four?
[1:27:30] >> Three.
[1:27:31] >> This is three. Um I believe this is
[1:27:34] something we've also already kind of
[1:27:36] committed to in past council meetings
[1:27:37] with past councils. Does anybody have
[1:27:40] any opposition here for us to include
[1:27:42] this into the budget?
[1:27:44] >> No.
[1:27:44] >> And that's the bond just to
[1:27:46] >> Yeah, that's where we get the bond.
[1:27:47] >> Yep.
[1:27:48] >> Correct.
[1:27:50] >> Yeah.
[1:27:50] >> Yep.
[1:27:51] >> Okay. I also added this one as probably
[1:27:54] a super high priority with the safety
[1:27:56] for snowplow. Does anybody have any
[1:27:58] opposition for me putting an X here by
[1:28:00] for snowplowing
[1:28:02] salt?
[1:28:05] >> No.
[1:28:07] >> Okay. So what I felt might make a lot of
[1:28:10] sense now going forward is is you all
[1:28:12] have this list. Um remember that we have
[1:28:15] added you know just a couple here. Um
[1:28:18] the backup generator. Um and I did we
[1:28:22] add anything else? I can't remember.
[1:28:25] >> I think a comment regarding that.
[1:28:28] >> Please.
[1:28:29] >> Yeah.
[1:28:32] >> I can understand why we want to have a
[1:28:34] brand new piece of equipment. That's the
[1:28:36] best solution in the long run. But until
[1:28:38] we can get that money, I want to propose
[1:28:41] a solution that's a lot less cheaper, a
[1:28:43] lot less expensive as a temporary
[1:28:46] >> stay. The um generator the city had
[1:28:49] before that they hadn't used for like
[1:28:51] 15, 20 years. I bought it at auction. I
[1:28:54] put 10 grand into it. I fix it. Every
[1:28:57] month I run 30,000 or 30 minutes every
[1:28:59] month and it runs smoothly.
[1:29:03] I can use it to power one of our water
[1:29:05] pumps, right? One out of the two that's
[1:29:08] in the the lower.
[1:29:10] >> Yeah, it's already got the hookup for
[1:29:11] it. The only thing it doesn't have is
[1:29:12] the cable
[1:29:14] and it could also be used to power this
[1:29:16] entire building as well. I'm going to
[1:29:19] let the city use it at no expense. Just
[1:29:22] cover the fuel costs. But you have to
[1:29:24] find a cable.
[1:29:25] And you guys sitting down how much these
[1:29:28] cables cost?
[1:29:30] >> Yeah. What was that number? It's crazy.
[1:29:33] >> 25,000 for the cable building. So, a
[1:29:36] generator is a minimum cost of about
[1:29:38] 130,000 is to get the building set up to
[1:29:40] be able to set to switch.
[1:29:42] >> That's what the big cost is.
[1:29:45] >> Alan had it already wired. He told me he
[1:29:47] had already wired.
[1:29:48] >> It's not. So, he came and looked at it.
[1:29:50] >> The water the water thing is pre-wired.
[1:29:53] >> Uh the booster is
[1:29:54] >> the booster is, but you can come from
[1:29:55] the booster to the top if you need to.
[1:29:57] >> We are. Yeah. So, the booster is preset
[1:29:58] up for the generator. The buildings and
[1:30:00] all. That was the big expense with the
[1:30:01] building cost. Generator was fairly
[1:30:03] minimal. It was the
[1:30:06] >> Okay. Looked at found
[1:30:11] fourth one.
[1:30:12] >> If we want to use any facility in a
[1:30:14] disaster when the power grid's gone out,
[1:30:17] we need power. Now, the fact that we
[1:30:19] don't have any electrical connections
[1:30:21] here is
[1:30:22] a bummer, but we can use a generator to pump electricity into the building
[1:30:29] via extension cables.
[1:30:31] >> Okay, so I've got
[1:30:32] >> Okay,
[1:30:33] >> I've got three I got four generators. Uh
[1:30:37] I've got a 48,000 watt propane natural
[1:30:41] gas generator and I've got a diesel
[1:30:43] generator that's about 10,000 watt. So,
[1:30:47] I can get power into power computers,
[1:30:50] um, communications equipment, things
[1:30:53] like that. And the city doesn't pay
[1:30:55] anything for it because I've already I
[1:30:56] already own them. Well, my nonprofit
[1:30:58] organization owns it. Okay. Or the B
[1:31:00] Ready Academy. That resource is
[1:31:02] available. If we have to a cabling
[1:31:05] system of of power, what do you call
[1:31:07] that thing? The power box.
[1:31:09] >> Distributor.
[1:31:11] >> Distribution box. If we just had a
[1:31:12] distributor that city owned that I could
[1:31:14] plug in 10,000 watts into, then we could
[1:31:17] funnel power into the rooms as we
[1:31:19] needed. It's not enough to power
[1:31:20] probably the the heater system. That's
[1:31:23] probably a big one. But you keep lights
[1:31:25] on. If we had at least some connection
[1:31:28] um done for lights um in the fire
[1:31:32] department, you just need to be able to
[1:31:34] open those garage doors easily, right?
[1:31:36] And lights. No, we actually have got all
[1:31:39] of our all of our vehicles stay plugged
[1:31:41] in all the time so that they're ready to
[1:31:43] go.
[1:31:43] >> Okay. So, there's that's that's a
[1:31:45] minimal amount. That's battery triple
[1:31:47] charging
[1:31:48] very low power.
[1:31:49] >> Do we have a number you can I could
[1:31:51] replace this 130,000 for right now for
[1:31:54] this uh budgetary cycles purposes.
[1:31:57] >> We I mean we can update it later, right?
[1:31:59] Because this is just kind of a prel.
[1:32:00] This is a preliminary uh proposal, Ben,
[1:32:03] because the only thing we're city the
[1:32:05] city's ready to use it for now is that
[1:32:06] cable could be used for the power uh for
[1:32:08] the um the water pump, which I think
[1:32:11] could be
[1:32:12] >> it's about 20 what? 20 25,000 for
[1:32:15] >> about 25,000 for that particular one.
[1:32:17] But we do have the power generator
[1:32:18] that's already running up at the top,
[1:32:20] right?
[1:32:20] >> Yes.
[1:32:21] >> So the Yeah, the well's already covered.
[1:32:23] It's automatic generator up there.
[1:32:25] >> I was more concerned about this
[1:32:26] building. So we had to figure out how to
[1:32:27] get a distributor box.
[1:32:28] >> Okay. So we can bring in power generator
[1:32:30] outside and use it to be able to
[1:32:32] function in this building during
[1:32:34] >> and we've got a generator up there too.
[1:32:37] >> So we don't need to worry about a
[1:32:38] generator for the water supply only a
[1:32:41] generator for this facility.
[1:32:42] >> Yes. Yes. If we have one up there
[1:32:45] >> now that the light are you talking about
[1:32:47] the the light tower?
[1:32:49] >> It's not big enough.
[1:32:49] >> No got a generator up there that will
[1:32:52] also size to run the wells.
[1:32:54] >> 25,000.
[1:32:55] >> I just have to
[1:32:57] >> um
[1:32:59] So, what you guys haven't seen is in
[1:33:01] I've got a water budget, too. Uh, which
[1:33:03] is a enterprise fund. In the water
[1:33:05] budget, got some money planned for uh
[1:33:09] >> fixing that generator. It's like $2,500
[1:33:12] next month to replace the batteries. And
[1:33:14] >> so, we got to move along to go.
[1:33:15] >> Okay.
[1:33:17] >> So, I
[1:33:19] normally have a budget retreat where we
[1:33:21] just different than a but different than
[1:33:23] a city council meeting. We don't do
[1:33:25] other
[1:33:26] >> We still got to That's okay. Let's focus
[1:33:28] you guys.
[1:33:29] >> Thank you.
[1:33:30] >> Yeah. We're going to we're going to go
[1:33:32] around and um
[1:33:35] >> we're just going to go around in a
[1:33:37] circle and you're going to pick one
[1:33:39] budget item, right, Ben, that you want
[1:33:42] on there.
[1:33:43] >> So, I'm going to go first. I want city
[1:33:45] celebrations. So, if you'll put an X on
[1:33:48] that one. I know I'm so selfish.
[1:33:53] >> Okay. Anybody who's opposed to that?
[1:33:56] No.
[1:33:58] >> Okay. Uh Dan,
[1:34:03] » well, I was thinking on the PTR side as
[1:34:05] well. I know that we're talking about a
[1:34:07] grant at some point for the but I I've
[1:34:10] been walking on the trail system quite a
[1:34:12] bit um the last week trying to regain my
[1:34:17] balance. Um, and I wondered if Yeah, I
[1:34:22] mean I I look at the trail replacement
[1:34:23] and and some of that stuff just having
[1:34:25] been up at the park. I would like to see
[1:34:27] the trails improved um or maintained or
[1:34:30] at least have a plan. And I like Ted's
[1:34:31] plan. It is it is a big
[1:34:34] expense. Um but I do like it going at a
[1:34:38] kind of scheduled maintenance.
[1:34:41] >> You're picking trail replacement.
[1:34:42] >> The trail replacement I think is the one
[1:34:44] that I would I would like to see.
[1:34:46] >> All right. Anybody opposed there?
[1:34:51] >> Okay. Uh Brian,
[1:34:56] » how's he going to pick with all those
[1:34:57] fire winds? You can't It's like throwing
[1:34:59] away your
[1:34:59] >> Well, we
[1:35:02] just I'm
[1:35:06] » What?
[1:35:07] >> I don't like the way this is working.
[1:35:09] >> Yeah, I'm kind of thinking feels weird.
[1:35:12] >> It's going to take a long time. Is there
[1:35:14] let's let's just say is there anything
[1:35:16] anybody actually in the on the council
[1:35:19] is there anything that anybody disagrees
[1:35:21] with.
[1:35:22] >> Well, there's more here than we have
[1:35:23] money.
[1:35:23] >> I know. I know. But this is one of the
[1:35:25] questions that he's asking, right? So,
[1:35:27] is there anything that anybody disagrees
[1:35:30] with
[1:35:31] >> as long as
[1:35:31] >> you disagree with something? Okay. What
[1:35:33] is it?
[1:35:34] >> Uh 4141601
[1:35:37] 13,000 for printer leases.
[1:35:42] Um 4141649
[1:35:44] 33,000.
[1:35:46] >> Um
[1:35:47] >> so we locked into the printer lease.
[1:35:49] >> Okay,
[1:35:50] >> that's not a
[1:35:51] >> it's up 5,000 from our previous years.
[1:35:54] So that's my only that's my only concern
[1:35:56] right now. I'm sure it's justified. I
[1:35:58] just want to understand it better.
[1:36:01] >> Repainting the city center for 51,000
[1:36:03] I'm not on board with or the re
[1:36:06] recarpeting the city center.
[1:36:08] >> Yeah, a lot of those I think are
[1:36:10] discretionary in there.
[1:36:12] They're wish list items. Okay.
[1:36:14] >> Why don't we Why don't we take a
[1:36:15] section? Go in the fire. Let's do fire.
[1:36:17] Let's do Let's make it a little easier.
[1:36:19] Can we do that?
[1:36:20] >> Let's go inside. Let's go in fire. Is
[1:36:24] there anything in fire that is
[1:36:26] unnecessary?
[1:36:29] Don't ask Ted. He might be the wrong
[1:36:33] >> Well, my understanding, Ted, this was
[1:36:36] all in within your current budget
[1:36:37] anyway. This isn't really on top of
[1:36:40] anything that's in the fire.
[1:36:41] >> So, I guess what my my what I'm saying
[1:36:42] is is can we can we approve
[1:36:45] >> everything in the fire and save some
[1:36:48] time. Is there anything that's
[1:36:50] >> or just can we say what was approved for
[1:36:52] last year's budget compared to this
[1:36:54] year's budget too. So, cuz that was
[1:36:56] helpful when when Ted said that up front
[1:36:59] >> for us. And then we also know that some
[1:37:02] of these things that that like carpet
[1:37:04] and things we know are are need to be
[1:37:07] addressed, but they weren't in last
[1:37:08] year's budget. So maybe we just look at
[1:37:11] those and say, "Hey, these are extras
[1:37:13] now."
[1:37:14] >> It's just she's trying to wipe out the
[1:37:16] ones that first are are already
[1:37:20] >> you might not necessarily be wiping them
[1:37:22] out total. It's just saying, "Hey, these
[1:37:25] aren't these aren't priorities right
[1:37:27] now." now. And I think we all kind of
[1:37:28] know it's these extras.
[1:37:30] >> Yeah. I I would like to ask those that
[1:37:32] were responsible. So, Jody, Wayne, Ted,
[1:37:35] um Rachel, obviously, how much time did
[1:37:37] you spend on the prioritization? Did you
[1:37:40] spend a good amount of time in that
[1:37:41] prioritization of the of the lists?
[1:37:44] >> I would say from my aspect, um that's
[1:37:47] tough because everything to me is
[1:37:48] priority.
[1:37:49] >> Agree.
[1:37:50] >> So,
[1:37:50] >> well, the the only reason I asked
[1:37:52] >> Yeah. You know, I spend a little time
[1:37:54] looking at it trying to decide
[1:37:55] >> because because really that's going to
[1:37:57] help at least me help me decide where we
[1:37:59] should really focus our time and
[1:38:01] attention on those initial approvals,
[1:38:03] right? So, if I just did if I I took
[1:38:05] this your the total
[1:38:09] priority one amount is $80,000.
[1:38:12] So, if we hit every if we gave everybody
[1:38:14] their priority one item that they list,
[1:38:17] it's $80,000.
[1:38:18] >> Mhm.
[1:38:19] >> Priority 2 485. Priority three goes down
[1:38:22] to 26. Priority four is $150,000.
[1:38:26] So if I'm looking at a at a gap of about
[1:38:29] $200,000, right, between our approved
[1:38:31] and where we're at, if priority one if
[1:38:33] the thought has been put into the
[1:38:34] priority ones, I'm almost willing to
[1:38:37] >> if that's if it Yeah. 80 grand, I would
[1:38:40] much rather just do a almost a
[1:38:42] >> I I hate to say it, a bulk approval
[1:38:45] >> just because I know the thought has been
[1:38:47] put into the priority. But if it wasn't,
[1:38:50] >> then I'm not then then I mean if it was if it was just kind of a
[1:38:54] >> for me ones were one of those things of
[1:38:57] we've got to get this stuff done like
[1:38:59] digitizing the records.
[1:39:00] >> Agreed.
[1:39:00] >> We've got to get it done because there's
[1:39:02] no way if we have a fire again
[1:39:05] have to haul out.
[1:39:07] >> Ben, can you put X's on the ones and see
[1:39:09] where we're at?
[1:39:10] >> Yeah. If you go up look at the fire
[1:39:12] budget.
[1:39:13] >> Yeah.
[1:39:13] >> I actually ranked that one. So it's not
[1:39:15] like So I just ran it one one through
[1:39:17] nine. Yeah, I'm I'm honestly leaning on
[1:39:19] the on the fire and the the EMS budget.
[1:39:22] I'm actually really comfortable with it
[1:39:24] because you've already said it's it's
[1:39:25] kind of already within budget. It's just
[1:39:27] how you see the priority of the spend.
[1:39:29] >> It's these other things like for
[1:39:30] example, Jody, you've got and again, not
[1:39:32] I'm not trying to
[1:39:34] >> you've got $1,000 for city center
[1:39:37] building signage as a priority one
[1:39:39] expenditure and it's probably because
[1:39:41] you're hearing about it, people saying
[1:39:43] complaining about it or whatever else
[1:39:44] and you you know, etc., etc. If that
[1:39:47] $1,000 needs to be spent for a new sign,
[1:39:50] I'm fine with that. But I just want to
[1:39:52] make sure that that would be a prime.
[1:39:55] Like if we only have $1,000 left in the
[1:39:57] bank, we're like, "Okay, what's left?"
[1:39:59] Are we really saying the new sign on the
[1:40:00] building is is the new sign is going to
[1:40:02] be there?
[1:40:02] >> It's between
[1:40:05] >> Oh, if he's taking it out of roads, then
[1:40:07] you can take it out of there.
[1:40:09] and you don't
[1:40:12] » I don't believe Ted and I differ in this
[1:40:15] area. If I have a budget and I don't
[1:40:17] need it, I'm not going to spend it.
[1:40:19] >> Sure.
[1:40:20] >> Ted agrees, you know, if I've got it,
[1:40:22] I'm going to spend it.
[1:40:23] >> So, we kind of, I think, work together
[1:40:26] and say, is this really going to be
[1:40:28] needed? And he just said, it's going to
[1:40:29] come out of roads. Okay. Well, then take
[1:40:32] it out. It's just one of those things
[1:40:33] that happened to deal
[1:40:35] >> Okay. And I and I again I'm not critical
[1:40:36] of anybody's priorities at all.
[1:40:39] >> I just want to say cuz for me if if if
[1:40:41] the priority one falls within our our
[1:40:43] gap
[1:40:44] >> I want the locking mechanism on the
[1:40:46] door. Does anybody disagree with that?
[1:40:48] >> I would agree. Also, mayor, I I noticed
[1:40:50] that
[1:40:51] >> it was right above where you just did
[1:40:52] the red.
[1:40:53] >> Jody had pretty well prioritized every
[1:40:56] single thing she had on there and yet
[1:40:59] >> and and a lot of the fires prioritized
[1:41:02] and even some he put at 5, six, seven,
[1:41:05] eight, nine, but still we're probably
[1:41:07] going to put it in there. Those are our
[1:41:08] list of
[1:41:09] >> and um but I noticed that on on roads
[1:41:14] and on um snowplow there's only one or
[1:41:17] two things that are prioritized on on
[1:41:21] that and yet they are priorities. So I
[1:41:24] think that if if we're looking at just
[1:41:27] one and twos based on what they put on
[1:41:29] some of the main expenses don't have a
[1:41:32] one and two on them. There's um you've
[1:41:34] put some on them since that we've
[1:41:36] printed out this copy. But um
[1:41:39] >> can we put just wanted to be aware aware
[1:41:42] of that that there are some additionals
[1:41:44] once.
[1:41:45] >> Does anybody disagree with that?
[1:41:46] >> But I would like Well, I think Ted this
[1:41:49] year
[1:41:50] have we got the funds in your
[1:41:54] budgets
[1:41:55] >> to get the geotech survey done likely on
[1:41:59] the wall
[1:42:01] >> this year. Just do it red for now
[1:42:03] though.
[1:42:04] >> I don't feel comfortable making I mean I
[1:42:07] know this isn't the final but it does
[1:42:09] when we're just barely kind of getting
[1:42:11] the
[1:42:12] >> the gist of what everybody's asking for.
[1:42:14] I would like to be able to digest it out
[1:42:17] of this.
[1:42:18] >> Yeah. So again, we can leave it.
[1:42:20] >> We just don't say yes at this point.
[1:42:23] >> We're getting the geotech.
[1:42:24] >> We're not deleting it. We're just not
[1:42:26] saying yes.
[1:42:27] >> I'm just having you make it red because
[1:42:28] we're not saying yes to it yet. Can I
[1:42:31] ask about digitizing
[1:42:32] >> and the audio system? Does anybody does
[1:42:35] anybody?
[1:42:37] >> Can we make that red as well?
[1:42:39] >> Yeah, definitely.
[1:42:41] >> If anyone disagrees with me, I'm just
[1:42:42] trying to like get through this.
[1:42:44] >> Thank you.
[1:42:45] >> Um, okay. So,
[1:42:47] >> maybe if we're just trying to move,
[1:42:49] let's just go through here. So, planning
[1:42:50] and zoning. Anybody have a problem with
[1:42:52] me putting X there for planning
[1:42:55] commission?
[1:42:57] >> Yeah, we're good.
[1:42:59] >> We need our and all that. That's
[1:43:02] >> okay. Then let's jump down here to EMS.
[1:43:05] >> Okay. I'm going to kind of go through
[1:43:06] priorities here. Um
[1:43:10] >> I mean, I don't see how we can really
[1:43:11] take things out of fire and EMS.
[1:43:13] >> I think you just That's not a lot of
[1:43:16] money.
[1:43:16] >> It's not the original. It's not last
[1:43:18] year's budget. It did go up, but there
[1:43:19] are reasons for that. Besides,
[1:43:20] >> yeah, there's not a lot there. There's
[1:43:23] not a lot in there.
[1:43:24] >> Okay, let's go to public roads here.
[1:43:28] streets. Obviously, we need the
[1:43:30] engineering.
[1:43:31] >> So, I I think these two are are I think
[1:43:35] we better move on these. I I brought
[1:43:36] that up because I think if we don't,
[1:43:39] we're going to get in trouble.
[1:43:40] >> Yep.
[1:43:42] >> So, are are we getting proposals for the
[1:43:44] engineering? Because I mean, I know that
[1:43:46] the engineers require a lot, but 35,000
[1:43:51] >> that's the multiple projects, right?
[1:43:53] >> Yeah. Those are just the design and then
[1:43:55] one's the construction
[1:43:56] >> that has to go out for bid, right? The
[1:43:58] engineering
[1:44:00] >> engineering. No, we can request if it's
[1:44:02] under 50,000, we can request three three
[1:44:04] um
[1:44:06] >> uh I don't like to call them bids in
[1:44:07] engineering, but three proposals.
[1:44:09] >> Three proposals. Okay. As long as we do
[1:44:10] three, then that's fair. Yep. Okay.
[1:44:14] >> Yeah. So, we have that one down there
[1:44:16] that says 3500. Not sure what this one's
[1:44:19] for.
[1:44:19] >> That goes away. That one could go away.
[1:44:22] >> Make it red.
[1:44:24] because we're we're not sure yet.
[1:44:26] >> We're not moving to capital. We're not
[1:44:27] doing capital,
[1:44:30] right?
[1:44:30] >> Yeah. Do those two
[1:44:32] >> road supplies. We need them.
[1:44:34] >> Yeah.
[1:44:34] >> And I like the combining and giving Ted
[1:44:37] some flexibility with how he spends that
[1:44:40] money.
[1:44:41] >> Okay. So, that section
[1:44:43] >> snowplow I have no objections with.
[1:44:46] >> Yeah, snowplow. Let's do them. There's
[1:44:49] not much there.
[1:44:51] Um I ptr give ptr
[1:44:54] >> ptr
[1:44:54] >> chipper days I agree. Does anybody
[1:44:56] object to those?
[1:44:58] >> They're all little.
[1:44:59] >> I think chipper days is the grant.
[1:45:03] >> Make it red.
[1:45:04] >> Make that one red
[1:45:04] >> cuz I think that we should look for
[1:45:06] grants and also um citizen matches. I
[1:45:09] >> I think we should hold on right now the
[1:45:11] hold on the playground equipment and
[1:45:13] hold on the grant for chipper on the
[1:45:15] chipper grant. Well, we usually spend 10
[1:45:17] on chipper days, so that's half.
[1:45:19] >> No, we don't.
[1:45:20] >> Oh,
[1:45:21] >> we just save
[1:45:21] >> you budget it for it.
[1:45:22] >> We budget for it and then we don't.
[1:45:24] >> See, I'm okay leaving that in the
[1:45:25] budget.
[1:45:26] >> It's important that cuz we're down to
[1:45:29] 233,000. So,
[1:45:32] >> we don't have
[1:45:34] >> Well, we've we've cleared a lot. So, we
[1:45:36] are already done with uh PT or with
[1:45:39] parks
[1:45:40] >> snowplow. Okay. Just in case we have to
[1:45:43] go back. I think we need to leave
[1:45:45] Chipper because that's our fire
[1:45:46] mitigation.
[1:45:48] >> Uh it's not a park and trail. I I think
[1:45:51] it I think it should be under fire
[1:45:53] mitigation, but
[1:45:54] >> because that's what we're we're training
[1:45:56] our citizens to be um
[1:45:58] >> No, no, no. We're we're not saying we're
[1:46:00] getting rid of chipper days,
[1:46:02] >> right? But but we're talking about I
[1:46:04] know what we're talking about.
[1:46:04] >> Dropping $5,000 out of a match that'll
[1:46:08] possibly go to a grant to buy a chipper.
[1:46:10] Doesn't have anything to do with chipper
[1:46:12] days. Not at all.
[1:46:13] >> Okay. So that's a that's an equipment.
[1:46:14] That's a piece of equipment.
[1:46:15] >> But I thought he doesn't have to do a
[1:46:17] >> chipper. He said that we would be doing
[1:46:18] our own chipping rather than the county
[1:46:20] doing it. And that's why we wanted a
[1:46:21] chipper.
[1:46:22] >> No, no, rather than the county.
[1:46:23] >> No, if we if the county is still going
[1:46:26] to come and chip,
[1:46:27] >> but with our chipper, not this.
[1:46:28] >> If we have a chipper in between that
[1:46:30] one, our crews are out, they go around.
[1:46:32] >> Okay. So, we're still waiting on this.
[1:46:34] >> Okay. Let's just work our way back up
[1:46:35] slowly, Ben, and see if we missed
[1:46:37] anything. So, let's just
[1:46:38] >> Okay. Am I leaving that X or not for the
[1:46:40] chip or Grant?
[1:46:41] >> I have the chip off for now. for now.
[1:46:43] Yeah.
[1:46:43] >> Okay. Off for now.
[1:46:45] >> If if we're not unanimous, let's just
[1:46:47] take it off for now.
[1:46:49] >> Well,
[1:46:49] >> we can always come back.
[1:46:53] >> Good conversation.
[1:46:53] >> So, let's just kind of make sure we
[1:46:55] don't miss anything. Let's just work our
[1:46:56] way up. We did all those. So, let's keep
[1:46:58] going. Let's We got to move this along.
[1:47:01] >> Wait. Okay.
[1:47:03] >> At the bottom of this here.
[1:47:04] >> All right.
[1:47:05] >> This pays for itself. I don't see
[1:47:06] >> Yeah, you got to X all of those.
[1:47:08] >> X all those.
[1:47:09] >> Yep. It's just like the ambulance pays
[1:47:12] for itself with the sale on the fire.
[1:47:13] >> Let's not miss any. Make sure everybody
[1:47:15] watching.
[1:47:16] >> Okay. So then all the Jodie stuff.
[1:47:18] >> Great.
[1:47:19] >> It's not really.
[1:47:20] >> Let's go to the top and
[1:47:21] >> Oh yeah, let's do these.
[1:47:22] >> Let's just work at the top and work
[1:47:23] down. Yeah. We need all of them.
[1:47:26] >> Great.
[1:47:27] >> All of those.
[1:47:28] >> They're pretty low. I don't know.
[1:47:32] >> Do the first one. 4500
[1:47:34] >> and the second And if we're leasing the
[1:47:37] others, that's an
[1:47:38] >> we already we're already on the hook for
[1:47:40] that. We got to do that one.
[1:47:41] >> Yep.
[1:47:42] >> Um
[1:47:44] yeah,
[1:47:45] >> the 20. I think we got to have Polaris.
[1:47:48] We don't have a choice.
[1:47:51] >> Okay, now it gets interesting.
[1:47:54] >> Uh landscaping.
[1:47:56] >> We need the digitizing, I think.
[1:47:58] >> Yeah, we had a fire.
[1:47:59] >> Well, you had questions.
[1:48:03] » Yeah. So, it seems like a lot. Have we
[1:48:05] gotten bids on that?
[1:48:07] >> So, this is from the prison. It's the
[1:48:09] cheapest. The prisoners do it.
[1:48:11] >> We trust that
[1:48:12] >> yet.
[1:48:14] >> Oh, yeah.
[1:48:15] >> It's on the one teller, guys.
[1:48:17] >> They they do it for other people.
[1:48:20] >> And so, that I don't like I said, I
[1:48:22] would not prepare be prepared to do it
[1:48:25] all this year.
[1:48:26] >> For sure. Yeah.
[1:48:26] >> There is no way. That's a total price.
[1:48:29] So,
[1:48:30] >> is there are there other companies that
[1:48:32] >> Do you want to put the 135 on it?
[1:48:34] >> I don't think
[1:48:35] >> that's what Ben's doing.
[1:48:37] >> I've talked to all the other recorders.
[1:48:39] They said UCI is the best.
[1:48:41] >> They'll even take it up to the state
[1:48:43] archives for us once it's done in which
[1:48:45] they have it all indexed and on an
[1:48:48] external hard drive and yada yada yada.
[1:48:50] And then they transport it to the
[1:48:52] >> Okay, let's put an X on that.
[1:48:54] >> The reason this is so been so I mean
[1:48:57] Jod's been asking for this clarity.
[1:48:59] fires. She had to have the she had to
[1:49:01] have the the football team come and
[1:49:03] carry boxes out of our files during the
[1:49:05] fire.
[1:49:05] >> Does anybody care about the front entry
[1:49:07] mat if we need that? That's
[1:49:08] >> we need a safety thing.
[1:49:10] >> Nothing.
[1:49:11] >> It is a safety thing. Somebody could
[1:49:12] trip over
[1:49:12] >> the landscaping for now.
[1:49:14] >> It's a ghetto thing.
[1:49:17] >> We are ghetto.
[1:49:18] >> You have to keep it up. I mean,
[1:49:21] >> where are we just talking about? Like is
[1:49:22] it over on that side? Help me understand
[1:49:24] where it is. It's over on the other side
[1:49:26] where the
[1:49:28] >> somewhat bark chips are.
[1:49:30] >> Okay.
[1:49:30] >> That have blown all away or are gone.
[1:49:33] >> Okay.
[1:49:33] >> Yeah, let's do that one.
[1:49:35] >> I'm okay with that.
[1:49:37] >> The fridge needs replaced. Yes.
[1:49:40] >> Yeah. I mean,
[1:49:42] >> we could get something off of KSL for a
[1:49:44] lot cheaper than that. But yeah,
[1:49:46] >> still put the X there though because we
[1:49:48] can always change the number.
[1:49:49] >> Yeah.
[1:49:50] >> Okay. Let's skip that one for a minute.
[1:49:53] Um,
[1:49:55] ah, teams. Let's skip that for a minute.
[1:49:58] >> Yeah.
[1:49:58] >> Uh, you know what?
[1:49:59] >> I think it's
[1:50:00] >> Let's just do it. That's That's an easy
[1:50:02] one. That's an easy
[1:50:03] >> And it's going to save us in the long
[1:50:04] >> It'll save us.
[1:50:05] >> Oh, yeah. You're right. I remember that.
[1:50:06] You said
[1:50:07] >> that pays for itself.
[1:50:09] >> I think the safety is important for the our employees to feel safe that
[1:50:14] they're at work.
[1:50:16] >> We've had
[1:50:16] >> Do you have anything else that you want
[1:50:18] to say on this front?
[1:50:21] >> Me? Aaron.
[1:50:22] >> Oh, Aaron
[1:50:24] >> Jody or our
[1:50:27] >> law enforcement that's in the room.
[1:50:29] >> I can't see from back here.
[1:50:31] >> This is the bulletproofing in the front
[1:50:34] >> or
[1:50:34] >> I would like us to be guarded in how you
[1:50:41] describe things on this. I'm not looking
[1:50:42] for details. I'm not looking for
[1:50:45] locations.
[1:50:47] Um, but just in generalities.
[1:50:51] I can buy a couple big pieces of quarter
[1:50:53] inch steel and there we go. Bold them.
[1:50:56] You don't want
[1:50:58] I really I do think we need to be um
[1:51:02] >> feels expensive, right?
[1:51:03] >> We need to make sure that our staff are taking those. I can't even remember.
[1:51:08] Repairs to the outside. I think we need
[1:51:10] the repairs to the outside of the city
[1:51:12] center. That's a
[1:51:14] >> Yeah, I agree.
[1:51:16] >> That's not a question.
[1:51:17] >> It's going to get more expensive longer.
[1:51:20] Sur protector.
[1:51:21] >> Search protector. Are we putting that as
[1:51:23] a
[1:51:24] >> I think pass on the sur protector for
[1:51:26] the moment.
[1:51:29] >> There's another a temporary solution.
[1:51:32] It's only cost 500 bucks.
[1:51:34] >> Okay.
[1:51:34] >> And it actually would uh protect the
[1:51:36] building against a electrical surge from
[1:51:38] a chronal mass ejection or u uh what do
[1:51:42] you call the other one? Electromagnetic
[1:51:45] pulse.
[1:51:45] >> EMP.
[1:51:46] >> Yeah. It's only it's only 500 bucks and
[1:51:50] the protection.
[1:51:51] >> It It'll only last for one hit.
[1:51:52] >> I have Well, yes, but
[1:51:56] >> so,
[1:51:56] >> but it's better than nothing.
[1:52:01] » Not a bad option for right now.
[1:52:03] >> Yeah.
[1:52:06] » Okay.
[1:52:07] >> And if I don't make a plug for the water
[1:52:09] line in the uh old public works bay, if
[1:52:12] we have uh
[1:52:15] >> Yeah. snow and aren't able to wash off
[1:52:17] those vehicles.
[1:52:18] >> Why isn't that under snowplow budget?
[1:52:20] Cuz the mayor told me to put it there.
[1:52:22] So, I did what he
[1:52:23] >> It's a building. It's a building thing.
[1:52:25] It's not a snowplow thing. It's a
[1:52:26] building thing.
[1:52:27] >> It's just used by the snow.
[1:52:30] >> You need to protect the
[1:52:33] chairs. I'm I'm sorry. We might have to
[1:52:35] keep our tacky chairs.
[1:52:39] » All right.
[1:52:40] >> Cabinet shelf. I'd say the 500 bucks is
[1:52:42] worth it.
[1:52:43] >> Yeah.
[1:52:44] I can make something for that
[1:52:46] maybe.
[1:52:47] >> Is that also
[1:52:49] >> one
[1:52:49] >> guys is serving it now? I think
[1:52:52] something I think I think I think a
[1:52:55] couple hours in the shop there's
[1:52:58] >> trip to IKEA.
[1:52:59] >> IKEA.
[1:53:00] >> Hey,
[1:53:02] what?
[1:53:02] >> So, we've already pre-approved the
[1:53:04] purchase of emergency radio
[1:53:05] communications. Correct, Ben?
[1:53:08] >> The radio?
[1:53:09] >> Yes.
[1:53:10] >> Yep. That's on last year's budget
[1:53:12] actually, but it's been pushed forward
[1:53:13] to the current year, which has already
[1:53:15] been authorized. So, it just needs to be
[1:53:17] transacted,
[1:53:18] >> right?
[1:53:19] >> So, we need to decide on the bulletproof
[1:53:20] glass.
[1:53:22] >> Wait, still there's one more thing I
[1:53:24] want to say about the cabinets. We don't
[1:53:25] have a place to put the equipment, the
[1:53:27] ham radio equipment yet.
[1:53:29] >> Is that correct?
[1:53:30] >> Audio equipment going to handle the ham
[1:53:32] radio equipment as well?
[1:53:34] >> Oh, that's a conversation you need to
[1:53:37] talk with uh Brett about. We have an uh
[1:53:40] we have a few plans for the current um
[1:53:44] room that is next to my office um that
[1:53:48] holds that fridge as well as all of the
[1:53:51] sirens and all of the networking.
[1:53:54] >> Uh we're looking to redo some of that
[1:53:56] work and that's probably where that
[1:53:58] radio's system would reside.
[1:54:00] >> Keep that in mind. Okay,
[1:54:02] >> Janet, if if you're looking at
[1:54:04] bulletproof glass, my suggestion would
[1:54:06] be to do the offices
[1:54:08] because the the reception area doesn't
[1:54:10] have a lot of people in it and somebody
[1:54:13] can just come by and shoot into the
[1:54:15] office where the people are. That would
[1:54:17] be a first priority rather than the
[1:54:20] reception glass and maybe that leave
[1:54:22] that for another year.
[1:54:23] >> You can put security film on that glass
[1:54:25] so they can't break it and walk in,
[1:54:27] which would be a very useful tool if
[1:54:29] it's not going to be bulletproof. You
[1:54:30] can put a very inexpensive film on there
[1:54:33] that makes it breach proof.
[1:54:35] >> That's what a lot of the schools are
[1:54:36] putting.
[1:54:36] >> So it'll buy you time to escape or get
[1:54:41] your gun fight back.
[1:54:43] >> Yeah. So I think we still since we don't ne we're not approving exactly
[1:54:48] numbers today just concept. So I say we
[1:54:50] put next there.
[1:54:51] >> Does anybody object is what I'm asking.
[1:54:53] Does anybody object? Okay.
[1:54:56] >> And what would I shift that number to?
[1:54:59] uh loosely.
[1:55:01] >> Let's just sleep
[1:55:02] >> a lot a lot less.
[1:55:03] >> I'm going to say we leave it there.
[1:55:05] Leave it at the 12 right now.
[1:55:07] >> I mean,
[1:55:08] >> we can adjust it.
[1:55:09] >> Yeah. Sale spent north of 50 on theirs.
[1:55:12] >> Yeah.
[1:55:12] >> Okay. So, what's what's left?
[1:55:15] >> I know that one. We'll come back to that
[1:55:17] one. What else is left? Is there
[1:55:18] anything?
[1:55:20] And how we still have money left, you
[1:55:22] guys?
[1:55:22] >> What?
[1:55:23] >> So, so number two is replace the the
[1:55:26] HBAC repairs. We have enough for a for a used helicopter.
[1:55:32] >> So
[1:55:32] >> yeah, we have what what about the ATF?
[1:55:34] >> Can I can I give you my opinion? I'm
[1:55:37] going to whether you like it or not.
[1:55:38] >> I think we need that.
[1:55:39] >> Um
[1:55:39] >> please hostile.
[1:55:41] >> We we have money in a emergency fund.
[1:55:45] >> Yes.
[1:55:46] >> Um if the if if we're not ready to
[1:55:48] budget for a new HVAC and just get it
[1:55:51] done, if we're going to wait till it to
[1:55:53] fail, that's an emergency fund dollar
[1:55:55] amount. In my opinion,
[1:55:56] >> it's
[1:55:57] >> I think we should get it done.
[1:55:59] >> It's only 8200. I think we should get it
[1:56:01] done
[1:56:01] >> cuz that's that's the heat and the air
[1:56:04] and it's going it's already getting to
[1:56:06] be over 80° and it's only
[1:56:08] >> Okay. So, it's not not working.
[1:56:11] >> Did you say it's working? It's just
[1:56:14] remember
[1:56:15] >> it's on leg.
[1:56:16] >> It's on its last leg.
[1:56:17] >> She has to go outside to turn it on.
[1:56:20] >> So, we go outside and we turn it. So
[1:56:22] >> there's there I would rather spend five
[1:56:24] grand to get our ducting working and
[1:56:28] deal with the compressor when it fails
[1:56:31] than I would to buy and put a new
[1:56:33] compressor in, right? You know, and and
[1:56:35] plans.
[1:56:35] >> That's fine.
[1:56:37] >> I'd rather get new carpet, too, for you.
[1:56:40] >> And we can do better this time. I do
[1:56:42] this all the time.
[1:56:46] >> Um, so what's left?
[1:56:48] >> What What do we have left?
[1:56:50] >> So,
[1:56:52] repainting, which I think is we can do
[1:56:55] in a much better, cheaper way there. So,
[1:56:57] recarpeting, we've got replace uh the
[1:57:00] retaining wall. Um, we've got the HVAC
[1:57:04] system, we've got the audio in the large
[1:57:06] multi-purpose room, and we have the
[1:57:10] building signage, and it sounds like
[1:57:11] that's already in road, so don't worry
[1:57:13] about that. um replacing the city center
[1:57:16] with LEDs, the backup generator cable,
[1:57:19] um and then new chairs.
[1:57:21] >> What about new chairs? I mean, Jody did
[1:57:23] bring
[1:57:23] >> We don't know about that. That that
[1:57:24] backup generator cable what that's going
[1:57:27] is that the 25,000
[1:57:29] >> and then on the one up above um the
[1:57:32] retaining wall and we had 80,000 to
[1:57:34] replace it, but do we have a bid for how
[1:57:38] much it would?
[1:57:39] >> So Ted is going to get in this year's
[1:57:42] budget. He's going to get the geotech
[1:57:44] engineer.
[1:57:44] >> We already talked about that.
[1:57:46] >> Yeah, I I know. I just wanted to make
[1:57:47] sure that if we needed to put it in two
[1:57:49] separate spots,
[1:57:50] >> we need to add the dist the distribution
[1:57:53] box to that 25,000.
[1:57:56] >> Yeah, because it's the cable and
[1:57:57] distribution box.
[1:57:58] >> I see.
[1:57:59] >> Well, be careful. That 25,000 currently
[1:58:02] is to help actually get the booster
[1:58:05] uh operational with Aaron's generator.
[1:58:08] >> Correct.
[1:58:09] >> Distribution box. It could actually do
[1:58:11] this building.
[1:58:13] Correct. But so with the 25,000 alone,
[1:58:17] we get the booster up and running.
[1:58:19] >> Um, which then
[1:58:21] >> provides us
[1:58:22] >> Yeah. But that the the likelihood of
[1:58:25] needing the booster is lower.
[1:58:28] >> Yeah. It's not a bunch of
[1:58:29] >> what we need. We need to be here
[1:58:32] handling.
[1:58:33] >> It's not a priority till it is.
[1:58:35] >> This is our EOC.
[1:58:36] >> Yeah.
[1:58:37] >> It has to have
[1:58:38] >> Yeah, that's fine. So what would I
[1:58:40] change the number from 25,000 to what
[1:58:44] the cable and the box? 30,000.
[1:58:46] >> Yeah.
[1:58:49] >> And then we just put cable and box.
[1:58:52] >> So that we make sure it says cable and
[1:58:53] box.
[1:58:55] >> Give it an X. Ben, does anybody object?
[1:58:59] >> We we need to do something to deal with
[1:59:00] an emergency.
[1:59:02] >> Yeah, we have a duty. Safety, right?
[1:59:05] >> Absolutely.
[1:59:08] >> Okay. Okay. Um I I want the signage.
[1:59:10] >> It's fine. Throw the signage in there.
[1:59:12] >> I think I say we do the signage.
[1:59:14] >> Building signage is already in the roads
[1:59:16] budget, you guys.
[1:59:18] >> We don't need it.
[1:59:21] >> Just put an X.
[1:59:23] >> Yeah, do an X
[1:59:27] >> and remove the red.
[1:59:29] >> I like the red.
[1:59:31] >> He likes the red. Okay.
[1:59:35] >> All right. Um,
[1:59:37] what else? So, go back up. Scroll up.
[1:59:42] What about chairs? That was 1,600. But
[1:59:44] >> I I'm okay with that because Jod has to
[1:59:48] I'm I'm okay with that.
[1:59:50] >> Yeah,
[1:59:50] >> we don't use that room that often, but
[1:59:53] >> then they'll last a long time. I could
[1:59:56] potentially
[1:59:59] when we have a meeting, we can take the
[2:00:00] ones out of the training room, put them
[2:00:03] in there, and then move them back after
[2:00:05] every meeting. Exactly.
[2:00:06] >> That's That's ignorant. I'm I'm sorry.
[2:00:08] That's just dumb.
[2:00:09] >> It's 1,600. We're okay.
[2:00:11] >> I say we got the chairs.
[2:00:12] >> Um All right. So, now we have to
[2:00:15] prioritize. We've got just a few things.
[2:00:18] >> So, go ahead.
[2:00:19] >> Can we change the paint budget to like
[2:00:21] 10 12,000? And even if that's Toby with
[2:00:24] >> Well, again, yeah. What will he do in a
[2:00:27] I'm thinking of what will he do in a
[2:00:28] year and we and we just do it in
[2:00:30] >> Oh, yeah. Do a little bit.
[2:00:32] >> Just do a little bit. Same with the
[2:00:33] carpeting. We do 10,000 in carpeting
[2:00:36] every year and we're replacing
[2:00:38] >> section.
[2:00:39] >> Don't you want it to match?
[2:00:42] >> Um I mean, even
[2:00:45] commercial carpet does not go out of
[2:00:47] style very quickly.
[2:00:50] I mean, even 25,000.
[2:00:52] >> I just don't want a patchwork of carpet
[2:00:54] that's different colors. That's tacky.
[2:00:57] >> That's different for paint. But
[2:00:58] >> hey, do we have in the budget for um you
[2:01:01] know, bug spray spray for box elder
[2:01:03] bugs? Can we have that?
[2:01:07] >> Spray bugs.
[2:01:08] >> I like Sher stinking.
[2:01:14] » Sherry, sorry.
[2:01:17] And are we repainting because the
[2:01:18] painting is bad or we're just tired of
[2:01:20] the taupe color?
[2:01:21] >> It's been here since 2009. And so my
[2:01:24] house
[2:01:24] >> um to answer your question, it is
[2:01:29] splotchy, right? We have attempted to
[2:01:31] make touch-ups and the touch-ups
[2:01:33] highlight.
[2:01:34] Um there's also a massive difference in
[2:01:37] each room of the different tones and so
[2:01:40] doing any touch-up is extremely
[2:01:43] difficult.
[2:01:44] >> Well, guess what? I'm okay with that.
[2:01:46] >> We've had this color so long. Beige is
[2:01:48] back in, baby.
[2:01:49] >> Exactly.
[2:01:50] >> Right.
[2:01:54] » The carpet's back in.
[2:01:55] >> So, I'm I'm all for a $10,000
[2:01:58] allocation.
[2:01:58] >> Anybody opposed?
[2:02:00] >> That's the way to go.
[2:02:01] >> Okay.
[2:02:02] >> I'm fine. Are you guys good with the
[2:02:03] repaint with a 10,000 allocation?
[2:02:05] >> Yeah, absolutely.
[2:02:06] >> Um, so HVAC,
[2:02:08] >> let's hit Well, hold on. Let's hit the
[2:02:10] carpet. Are we going to do anything with
[2:02:11] the carpet?
[2:02:12] >> Yeah, he put it in as 25. He changed it.
[2:02:14] may have changed it, but are we, you
[2:02:17] know, do
[2:02:18] >> we're to 43,000.
[2:02:20] >> Yeah, we're running out.
[2:02:21] >> Yeah. So, now we're getting to the
[2:02:23] nitty-gritty. I I'm a
[2:02:24] >> I think I think for 25 we could do
[2:02:27] everything on that side of the door.
[2:02:29] >> Not have to worry about this side of the
[2:02:30] door.
[2:02:31] >> We can do this side later.
[2:02:33] >> Yeah. Especially when those casin
[2:02:37] sections put city offices and that would
[2:02:41] um How about one, Jody? What's your
[2:02:44] opinion? Which of what's left? What's
[2:02:46] the most priority to you?
[2:02:49] >> This is your budget.
[2:02:50] >> We'll put an X there, too.
[2:02:51] >> No, I mean,
[2:02:52] >> it's the council's budget.
[2:02:54] >> It's not my budget.
[2:02:55] >> I know, but it's
[2:02:56] >> your request that the mayor told you to
[2:02:58] request.
[2:02:59] >> Would you would you request the HVAC
[2:03:01] repairs and replacement o over
[2:03:06] >> I'm going to hard pass that one.
[2:03:07] >> Well, I'm I'm I'm into saying change
[2:03:10] that to repairing the ducting.
[2:03:14] So that our compressor
[2:03:15] >> $5,000 to repair the ducting and if the
[2:03:18] compressor goes out, we'll pull it out
[2:03:20] of the emergency fund.
[2:03:21] >> Yeah,
[2:03:22] >> that's what it's there for. I'm in
[2:03:24] agreement with that.
[2:03:24] >> I'm okay with that.
[2:03:25] >> I like it. I like to use a telet.
[2:03:27] >> Yep. Right.
[2:03:30] >> I don't know how to spell baffled, so
[2:03:31] we'll deal with that later.
[2:03:33] >> OD, not ULD, but that's okay.
[2:03:35] >> All right. My opinion would be the
[2:03:38] carpet in the hallway and unfortunately
[2:03:41] the training room are the worst, but
[2:03:43] they'll probably always be the worst.
[2:03:46] >> Um because our fire people come up low,
[2:03:50] go in there, their boots are covered
[2:03:52] with junk and everything like that.
[2:03:54] >> Um
[2:03:56] product
[2:03:57] >> is Yeah, I was going to say what about
[2:03:58] like a laminate.
[2:03:59] >> They're the only ones looking at those
[2:04:00] laminates are really nice.
[2:04:01] >> Really nice and they hold up well. Yeah,
[2:04:05] I maybe
[2:04:06] >> Well, maybe just refloor.
[2:04:08] >> I I'm okay with waiting.
[2:04:12] We get it clean good and see how we go.
[2:04:15] Maybe another year. Okay. So, what else
[2:04:17] is left then?
[2:04:22] » Um, we're really
[2:04:24] >> we've got some flooring options. We've
[2:04:26] got the retaining wall. We've got the
[2:04:28] audio system
[2:04:31] >> and the LEDs.
[2:04:33] Yeah.
[2:04:33] >> And necessarily we don't have to burn
[2:04:36] the whole thing. We could say, okay,
[2:04:37] 38,000 is now headed
[2:04:40] >> to um, you know, a capital outlay for
[2:04:44] fire, right? Or a capital outlay for
[2:04:48] basically dumping it into a savings
[2:04:49] account.
[2:04:50] >> Exactly.
[2:04:51] >> Yeah. I'll suspend it. Just engineer
[2:04:55] >> falling apart.
[2:04:57] >> You need money to fix that.
[2:04:59] >> That's That's what they for. Yeah.
[2:05:02] >> How about you have
[2:05:04] >> Well, we plan to
[2:05:05] >> We don't have to finalize it all tonight
[2:05:07] anyway. I think we just stop here for
[2:05:09] now.
[2:05:10] >> Send it all back to us now and then we
[2:05:12] have time to kind of ponder it.
[2:05:14] >> We can look at it some more. But let's end here. Um
[2:05:18] >> I'm also going to propose that we take a
[2:05:19] five minute break,
[2:05:21] >> stretch, go potty, and then we'll go
[2:05:23] back
[2:05:24] >> and we will resume
[2:05:25] >> shifts.
[2:05:27] >> Yes.
[2:05:28] >> No, you're good.
[2:05:31] Okay. Um,
[2:05:33] >> yeah,
[2:05:34] >> that's why I'm here.
[2:05:36] >> We need 50 bucks in there for
[2:05:38] >> We need to get rolling
[2:05:39] >> in the men's.
[2:05:41] >> Yes.
[2:05:42] >> Uh, is there anything else any of you
[2:05:45] guys need from me or my contributions
[2:05:46] would be assistive or helpful?
[2:05:49] >> Um, I think you're good. Are we having a
[2:05:52] closed end here?
[2:05:54] >> No.
[2:05:55] >> I have nothing.
[2:05:56] >> Okay. Uh, we might.
[2:05:58] >> We might. I was thinking that we might
[2:06:00] just text you.
[2:06:02] >> If you do, text me and then I can
[2:06:04] rejoin, but if not, uh,
[2:06:06] >> I'm gonna go hit the beach with my short
[2:06:08] people. So,
[2:06:10] >> have fun.
[2:06:11] >> Thank you all. Appreciate you. Bye bye.
[2:06:13] >> Thanks.
[2:06:14] >> See you.
[2:06:14] >> All right, we're gonna move on to number
[2:06:17] two.
[2:06:22] Did Did um I looked at them all. Did any
[2:06:24] Did anybody have any questions on the
[2:06:26] financials? I actually already asked the
[2:06:28] questions that I had. I emailed Jod and
[2:06:30] asked her some questions. Um,
[2:06:34] so one of my questions was there was a
[2:06:36] $2,000 for our it, but it is a,000 a
[2:06:40] month. That's the contract. It was just
[2:06:43] we paid for two months. So, so it wasn't
[2:06:46] that it was 2,000 this month. It was two
[2:06:48] months worth. So, that was a question
[2:06:50] that I had. Um, and were there any other
[2:06:54] questions? Is everybody good there? Mhm.
[2:06:56] >> Okay. And
[2:06:57] >> just a reminder, this one doesn't
[2:06:59] reflect the changes you guys made with
[2:07:01] the March 10th amended budget. Those
[2:07:03] will come in your March financials.
[2:07:05] >> Okay.
[2:07:06] >> Yeah.
[2:07:06] >> All right. Ted, update on city grants.
[2:07:10] >> Um,
[2:07:15] » so we submitted two grants. Uh, one was
[2:07:19] to through Burgess Owen's office for a
[2:07:21] community project funding grant. Um that
[2:07:25] one I did hear back from them. Uh
[2:07:27] generally they we sent it we submitted a
[2:07:30] grant for uh a request of 3.9 million
[2:07:34] with a match money from us but the
[2:07:36] request was 3.9 million. Um they asked
[2:07:39] us to reduce that number um which I
[2:07:42] figured they might. So we reduced it
[2:07:43] down. I gave him three different phases
[2:07:45] of what we could do is this is for
[2:07:47] waterline replacement over here on this
[2:07:48] side of the street. Um I think the
[2:07:50] request finally went in ultimately at
[2:07:52] 2.4. 4 million. Um I heard back from
[2:07:55] them. They said that uh they they are
[2:07:59] taking 20 uh applications to get to get
[2:08:03] try and get funded at the federal level.
[2:08:05] Ours went as priority number four out of
[2:08:07] the 20.
[2:08:08] >> So then
[2:08:10] >> so it's it's it's it's I don't think
[2:08:12] last year we made it to go back to
[2:08:13] Congress. So So there's a a good he's
[2:08:18] really pushed it. Devon is the guy I
[2:08:19] worked with that he's going to really
[2:08:21] try to push our
[2:08:21] >> And I know that I sent you that note
[2:08:23] from um Senator Curtis's office that
[2:08:26] said they have a similar um but a
[2:08:29] similar grant program that for the
[2:08:31] Senate and that she's going to be
[2:08:33] sending his office is going to be
[2:08:35] sending me that information as soon as
[2:08:37] it's available and we can also apply for
[2:08:40] that as part of it. A different but it
[2:08:42] comes from a different funding stream.
[2:08:44] >> Right. Right. So, uh so that one's in.
[2:08:47] We'll just wait to hear on that one. And
[2:08:48] then we submitted a grant to the Utah
[2:08:51] Outdoor Recreation uh grant committee u
[2:08:56] for a pickle ball court. Um and that's
[2:08:59] to get a grant to put a pickle ball
[2:09:00] court up at the park and just waiting to
[2:09:02] hear on that one. A grant got submitted.
[2:09:04] >> Um super competitive,
[2:09:07] >> super competitive. I mean, we'll do the
[2:09:08] pickleball court if we get a grant. If
[2:09:10] we don't get a grant, you probably won't do a pickle ball court.
[2:09:13] >> Um but uh it is kind of competitive. We
[2:09:16] got some good feedback on the grant
[2:09:17] application, so we'll see how it goes.
[2:09:19] >> Really competitive.
[2:09:20] >> Yeah.
[2:09:21] >> Okay. Anything else? Selling engine 192.
[2:09:26] >> That is that Brian?
[2:09:28] >> That's Brian.
[2:09:30] >> Okay. So, I've asked to put this on here
[2:09:33] because we are looking at a considerable
[2:09:35] sum that we should be receiving for
[2:09:38] selling that. And so, we need to vote on
[2:09:40] it. Um,
[2:09:42] >> and we've talked about it a little bit,
[2:09:44] but does anybody have any questions?
[2:09:45] Would you put it on the auction?
[2:09:47] >> So, it won't it will not go on the
[2:09:48] auction site. It will it will most
[2:09:50] likely go on there are a few sites out
[2:09:53] there that
[2:09:55] have uh that that really cater to this
[2:09:59] type of equipment and and we'll get our
[2:10:01] best return for it. Um, there's one site
[2:10:05] that'll actually come out and send a
[2:10:06] professional photographer and and
[2:10:09] everything else if we decide to do that.
[2:10:11] I'm getting their terms and conditions.
[2:10:13] So, we'll talk we'll talk through that.
[2:10:15] Um, but it will go on. We'll we're going
[2:10:19] to list it and what we're, you know, the
[2:10:23] thing to that we have to balance is how
[2:10:25] fast do we want it to move and how much
[2:10:28] do we want to get out of it. the the the
[2:10:30] faster it moves, the less we're going to
[2:10:32] get out of it.
[2:10:32] >> Well, we're not in a huge hurry, right?
[2:10:34] >> We're not in a huge hurry other than
[2:10:36] we'll need to pay back the
[2:10:38] >> the ambulance when that when that
[2:10:40] happens,
[2:10:40] >> but we haven't found one of those yet.
[2:10:42] >> We haven't found one of those yet. So,
[2:10:43] it'll it'll be that question. I've not
[2:10:45] posted it yet. I need to have this vote
[2:10:48] um per our ordinance to actually post
[2:10:52] that. So, I've kind of been doing the
[2:10:53] research, getting, you know, estimates
[2:10:56] on it and things like that, and then
[2:10:58] we'll just have to determine what we
[2:10:59] want to list it for rather than uh an
[2:11:02] auction because we could end up with
[2:11:05] very little out of it. And a lot of the sites you see where they're
[2:11:09] selling them for next to nothing and
[2:11:12] then other sites they're selling them
[2:11:13] for huge amounts of money. Um, it's it's
[2:11:16] a a very desirable vehicle because it's
[2:11:19] four-wheel drive and it's a pumper. Um,
[2:11:22] >> are those more rare?
[2:11:23] >> Yes. Um, low mileage and things like
[2:11:26] that. So, it's um it is a desirable
[2:11:30] >> truck. What's the high lows roughly?
[2:11:33] >> Um, so I I've seen as the estimates go
[2:11:38] up to um $240,000.
[2:11:43] Um, I saw one that's very similar to it
[2:11:47] that they have listed for 350, but
[2:11:49] there's no way they're going to get that
[2:11:50] cuz there's nothing else out there for
[2:11:52] that kind of money.
[2:11:53] >> So, that's like a
[2:11:54] >> I think we're going to be
[2:11:56] 200 or we're going to probably be less
[2:11:58] than 200, but probably in that I'm
[2:12:00] hoping to get that neighborhood if we
[2:12:01] can hold it for long enough. Um, and uh
[2:12:07] and and find the right right people to
[2:12:08] get it
[2:12:09] >> with a a dry western United States. That
[2:12:12] might be
[2:12:12] >> Yeah, that's true. It's good selling it,
[2:12:15] but it might be a good time to sell it.
[2:12:16] >> It's a It's a structure engine. I mean,
[2:12:18] yes, but it's a structure engine. So,
[2:12:19] it's it's more I mean, other than the
[2:12:21] four-wheel drive, it's great for
[2:12:23] mountain communities and and rural
[2:12:25] communities, but it's a structure
[2:12:26] engine. It's not really a wild engine.
[2:12:29] >> Ted, do we have any concerns with
[2:12:30] selling it? Like, does it leave us short
[2:12:32] in any way?
[2:12:34] >> No, I don't think so. Um, so we've now
[2:12:36] got the two uh structure engines, right?
[2:12:38] had the new one we just got a few years
[2:12:39] ago plus this one that we've had. It's a
[2:12:42] 200
[2:12:44] >> eight eight or nine. I can't remember if
[2:12:45] it's eight or nine. Um so, um we've
[2:12:49] generally always just had one engine for
[2:12:51] our community except for when we bother.
[2:12:53] We hung on to this one primarily because
[2:12:55] we're EMAC contract program with the
[2:12:57] state and we thought well if our other
[2:12:58] one could go out on EMACs and make us
[2:13:00] some money, we'd have this one in town
[2:13:02] to cover. But in the four years that
[2:13:05] we've been doing EMAC, we've been on one
[2:13:07] EMAC deployment. So, it's it's like it's
[2:13:09] kind of not worth the value of keeping
[2:13:11] it and
[2:13:12] >> the maintenance and the insurance
[2:13:14] >> maintenance and then all that stuff.
[2:13:15] Plus, um if something were to happen in
[2:13:18] our city, we've still got our structure
[2:13:19] engine plus we've got four other
[2:13:21] communities coming. Uh
[2:13:23] >> that's what I say. We have the
[2:13:24] interlocal agreements.
[2:13:25] >> Got the interlocal mutual aid agreement.
[2:13:27] So Spanish would come with two engines,
[2:13:28] Salem with two engines, PAC's coming,
[2:13:30] Elkridge, we've got all these
[2:13:31] communities that'll be bringing engines
[2:13:33] and just like we do to them to agree.
[2:13:35] >> The only concern I could see is
[2:13:40] when this truck gets to a certain age,
[2:13:44] ISO says we need to get a new one or get
[2:13:46] this one rebuilt. Um, we could have one
[2:13:50] sitting there already. There are options
[2:13:53] where you can actually lease one while
[2:13:55] you're getting yours done or we order
[2:13:57] another another engine and do this do
[2:14:00] the same same kind of thing. We'll have
[2:14:01] to do an investigation on on what that takes cuz a rebuild is really
[2:14:05] expensive. It takes a long time.
[2:14:07] >> Um and we just they determined before it
[2:14:10] was better just to buy a new truck. So
[2:14:12] we just do that investigation when that
[2:14:13] time comes. Um
[2:14:15] >> well we need an ambulance that works all
[2:14:17] the time more than we need a backup. So,
[2:14:19] just on on that, um Saturday we went
[2:14:24] down to Hanks Ranch. You probably saw Ted's post. Um when I got
[2:14:29] back from Hanks, I needed to fill up the
[2:14:31] gas in the the pump on that truck. Um
[2:14:35] so, I went to go get some gloves out of
[2:14:37] the ambulance and there was a light on
[2:14:40] inside the ambulance and I couldn't get
[2:14:41] it to go off and the charger wasn't
[2:14:44] working. Um, and I spent a couple hours
[2:14:47] down here trying to figure this thing
[2:14:49] out, going through it, making phone
[2:14:50] calls.
[2:14:52] Don't know how I got it to work, but I
[2:14:54] got it to work. I reset everything and
[2:14:55] it finally started working again. Um, I
[2:14:58] actually had to remove a light because
[2:15:00] it won't shut off and it's draining the
[2:15:02] battery and we've had that thing. We
[2:15:03] just put batteries in it because it
[2:15:05] didn't start the other day. Um, so we're
[2:15:08] I'm I'm seeing more and more problems.
[2:15:10] And for us to sell it, you know, that's
[2:15:13] like a $6,000 inverter that's inside of
[2:15:15] there, $3 to $6,000.
[2:15:18] And for us to sell it without that, it's
[2:15:20] going to, you know, decrease that value.
[2:15:22] Um, so I I we really need to jump on
[2:15:25] this sooner sooner than later. Um, we're
[2:15:28] cons I'm continually having issues with
[2:15:30] that ambulance. Um, and and trying to
[2:15:34] keep it roadworthy.
[2:15:35] >> I have a question for you. Um Ted, when
[2:15:38] we bought the new fire engine, we were
[2:15:40] also going to start a capital fund for
[2:15:43] replacement of a new fire engine in the
[2:15:45] future, but we got rid of a lot of our
[2:15:48] capital project for a road. So, are we
[2:15:51] no longer saving money for the fire
[2:15:54] truck?
[2:15:54] >> Talked about the leases. Yeah. At
[2:15:56] >> So, we can either switch to a leisure
[2:15:57] like this right now, it's just on a we
[2:15:59] got bond for it, we're just paying bond.
[2:16:01] So, I just wanted to make sure that
[2:16:02] everybody knows that when we talk about
[2:16:04] all of these different moving parts that
[2:16:06] we have changed our mind through the
[2:16:09] last few years on how we might have a
[2:16:11] fire engine and keep one in in town all
[2:16:14] the time and it's a safety issue. We
[2:16:16] don't want anyone to be concerned that
[2:16:18] we're we won't have service if we sell
[2:16:20] one,
[2:16:21] >> right? No. No. We will never go without
[2:16:23] service in our city.
[2:16:24] >> Yeah.
[2:16:25] >> I just wanted to make sure that in case
[2:16:27] anyone's listening or wants to listen.
[2:16:29] Hey, awesome. Any other questions?
[2:16:32] >> I have a question. Because it's such a
[2:16:35] unique vehicle, I'm wondering if you
[2:16:38] maybe want to contact if it's decided,
[2:16:41] yes, you're selling, contact like Park
[2:16:43] City and Chemist and some of and and
[2:16:45] then smaller communities that are
[2:16:46] similar to us
[2:16:48] and not have to pay the fee.
[2:16:50] >> Well, we can we're we can list it for
[2:16:53] free on on many places as well. So there
[2:16:56] not all of them require require those
[2:16:59] kind of fees. So that's all I'm I'm
[2:17:01] investigating going through all of that
[2:17:02] trying to figure out the best option for
[2:17:04] us. There's sites that'll buy it
[2:17:06] straight from us and then they resell
[2:17:08] them.
[2:17:08] >> So there's lots of options and I can't
[2:17:11] make a decision until
[2:17:12] >> Do you need a youth group to have a
[2:17:14] class on how to detail a vehicle?
[2:17:18] >> Cuz you know whatever.
[2:17:20] >> We actually keep our vehicles really
[2:17:22] clean. You'll find that um our fire
[2:17:24] department and a lot of fire
[2:17:26] departments, but ours I think in
[2:17:27] particular um we we care about that
[2:17:30] equipment. We all know that's defending
[2:17:33] us and we take really good care of it.
[2:17:36] So they're in pretty good shape.
[2:17:37] >> I like your idea. We maybe have a youth
[2:17:39] activ.
[2:17:42] >> Yeah.
[2:17:43] >> Okay. Um we're going to go to department
[2:17:45] reports and a reminder five minutes or
[2:17:47] less.
[2:17:50] » Yeah. I really I mean you guys have
[2:17:52] heard enough from me tonight. Uh public
[2:17:54] works I don't know that I got any
[2:17:55] updates right on public work side
[2:17:58] fireside uh our wild fire crew is still
[2:18:00] in Nebraska and uh they'll be there
[2:18:03] through their full deployment which ends
[2:18:04] I think this weekend unless they request
[2:18:06] them for an extension. Um but at the
[2:18:09] same time while while our crews been up
[2:18:11] there Texas has also been requesting
[2:18:12] more people from our state too again.
[2:18:15] So, I think it's going to be a busy
[2:18:17] year. Uh, which is which is bad for the
[2:18:20] fire environment, good for our fire crew
[2:18:21] because it makes the city a bunch of
[2:18:23] money. But, um, so I think I think
[2:18:26] they'll be pretty busy this year. Um, we
[2:18:29] do have, like I said, we've been
[2:18:30] coordinating some, uh, mitigation work
[2:18:32] in the city as well with chipper days
[2:18:34] and the states been coordinating some
[2:18:35] stuff. So, continue to work through that
[2:18:37] with them through some agreements and
[2:18:38] stuff like that.
[2:18:38] >> When do you think we'll be able to
[2:18:40] announce the date for the spring chipper
[2:18:42] days?
[2:18:43] >> I've been talking. lets me be.
[2:18:45] >> I tell the residents we usually do it
[2:18:46] sometime towards the middle to end of
[2:18:49] May or beginning of June. That's what
[2:18:51] I've been telling. Is that maybe the
[2:18:53] same possibility? Keep telling them
[2:18:55] that.
[2:18:55] >> But keep remembering that if the county
[2:18:58] crew gets called off.
[2:19:00] >> Yeah. They don't come.
[2:19:01] >> They're not going to be here. And so you have to have a way to get rid of
[2:19:05] those branches possibly yourselves.
[2:19:07] >> Yep.
[2:19:08] >> They're already
[2:19:09] >> Do you want them to start Do you want
[2:19:11] citizens to start um
[2:19:13] >> No. doing it now. We'll send an
[2:19:15] announcement. We'll make to make sure.
[2:19:17] Well, I know
[2:19:18] >> there have been several doing it.
[2:19:20] >> Yeah, I've seen several of them doing
[2:19:21] it.
[2:19:21] >> With the good weather we've had this
[2:19:23] year, I think people are getting
[2:19:24] excited. They're out clearing their
[2:19:25] lots, which I mean, it's a good thing
[2:19:27] they're clearing their lots, right? Um,
[2:19:29] usually if they call us, Jody's going to
[2:19:30] tell them stack it back away from the
[2:19:32] street for now
[2:19:33] >> and then when we get ready for at bring
[2:19:35] it out to the street, but stack it
[2:19:37] somewhere away from the street right
[2:19:38] now. That's what we tell them. Although
[2:19:39] not everybody calls.
[2:19:40] >> That's a fire hazard, too. Stacking all
[2:19:42] that. Yeah.
[2:19:44] >> Yep.
[2:19:45] >> Want to clarify because we I've been
[2:19:47] getting quite a few calls.
[2:19:48] >> Yeah. Everyone's excited.
[2:19:50] >> So,
[2:19:51] >> that's all I have unless you have any
[2:19:52] questions.
[2:19:54] >> Lane, anything from code enforcement?
[2:19:58] » Yes, it is.
[2:19:59] >> Just update. I don't have any code
[2:20:02] enforcement, but planning commission has
[2:20:04] finished the review of the general plan
[2:20:07] and uh gave the last segment of it to
[2:20:09] the mayor who's putting it together. I
[2:20:12] know. I think I understand that he's
[2:20:14] given you some of the initial results.
[2:20:16] >> Yeah, we have a section I need to work
[2:20:17] on.
[2:20:19] >> 72 pages worth.
[2:20:21] >> Steve worked hard on it. He he
[2:20:23] >> I sent the mayor some as
[2:20:25] >> our plan is in uh May to have a public
[2:20:28] hearing which will be accumulation of
[2:20:30] all of your comments into it and so
[2:20:34] forth and a final document that will be
[2:20:37] available to the public for them to
[2:20:39] comment should should they want to. So,
[2:20:42] that's the timetable we're on.
[2:20:44] >> Okay. Thank you.
[2:20:47] >> All right. Um, we'll skip the mayor's
[2:20:50] because he's not here and he's trying to
[2:20:52] have a vacation, but I don't know how
[2:20:53] much vacation he's gotten. So, council
[2:20:56] member Hutchkins.
[2:20:58] >> So, I missed our last planning
[2:20:59] commission. I was busy with stuff from
[2:21:02] work and so you heard what my name.
[2:21:06] >> Okay. Um, Council Member Jones. So,
[2:21:10] we're going to be kicking off safety
[2:21:11] meeting. I think we're going to do one
[2:21:13] on the 16th, which is it should be right
[2:21:15] before we start our like
[2:21:20] days. Yeah.
[2:21:20] >> Okay.
[2:21:21] >> Maple days.
[2:21:22] All that stuff.
[2:21:25] >> Yeah. We'll probably
[2:21:26] >> probably have a a safety meeting and
[2:21:29] start some of that stuff, but we'll send
[2:21:31] out an announcement so we're all sure.
[2:21:34] >> Okay. Anything else?
[2:21:37] >> All right. Um, so council member let me
[2:21:40] So newsletter time reminder. I got a
[2:21:43] Wayne's world today. I noticed. So thank
[2:21:46] you. Um, and then
[2:21:48] >> who agreed to this month? Who?
[2:21:50] >> Yeah. Who? Which count?
[2:21:51] >> I have forgotten when I
[2:21:54] >> It's on my computer. I'll send a text.
[2:21:56] >> Send a reminder.
[2:21:57] >> I kind of forget which month is I'm
[2:21:59] supposed to do it.
[2:22:00] >> Yep. I have a I actually have a little
[2:22:02] sticky note somewhere. I'll find it. I
[2:22:04] know where it is. I'll tell you before
[2:22:05] the meeting's over. Um, just when it's
[2:22:07] not my turn. Um, and then thank you,
[2:22:11] Ted. You know what I was thinking? I
[2:22:13] asked last time for the posts up for
[2:22:15] banner for our events. You know why
[2:22:18] that's even more important? And they
[2:22:19] did. It's I noticed on Sunday that the
[2:22:21] posts were up, but when they start
[2:22:23] construction on the roundabout, we're
[2:22:24] going to lose that other spot. So, that
[2:22:27] one's going to be really critical. So,
[2:22:28] thank you.
[2:22:29] >> We'll have to move that other one up
[2:22:30] there, too. I noticed that.
[2:22:33] >> Yeah. So, did a great job.
[2:22:36] >> Yeah. Thank you for that. Um, we do have
[2:22:39] Maple Fest coming up. Uh, that is April
[2:22:42] 18th.
[2:22:43] And so, um, there is the Maple Canyon
[2:22:46] Ward, the primary children at the Maple
[2:22:48] Canyon Ward on April 17th. They're going
[2:22:51] to go up to the park and just clean it
[2:22:52] up. So, they're going to bring garbage
[2:22:54] bags and rakes and gloves and shovels
[2:22:56] and pooper scoopers and they're just
[2:22:59] going to clean up the park and get it
[2:23:00] really nice. Um they requested and Ted
[2:23:03] already we coordinated that to make sure
[2:23:05] the water's on so they can spray off the
[2:23:07] pavilion and everything. They're just
[2:23:08] going to freshen up the park before the
[2:23:10] maple festival. So that's awesome. And
[2:23:12] they're inviting anybody that wants to
[2:23:14] come and help.
[2:23:16] >> What time?
[2:23:17] >> Um I have a flyer, but it's uh 6:30 to
[2:23:20] 7:30 p.m. at the at the city park. And
[2:23:23] if it's longer
[2:23:24] >> 6:30.
[2:23:25] >> Uhhuh.
[2:23:26] >> So Friday, April 17th at 6:30. And they
[2:23:28] gave me a little flyer that I'll put in
[2:23:30] the newsletter and I'll get it posted
[2:23:32] >> because the 18th is the Maple Fest.
[2:23:34] >> Uhhuh. Cuz the 18th is the Maple
[2:23:35] Festival. Um I do have a question on the
[2:23:38] Maple Festival. Uh one of the things
[2:23:40] that Amanda asked me to do was get the
[2:23:42] flag ceremony and I don't know who did
[2:23:44] it last year.
[2:23:46] >> I know we used
[2:23:49] it.
[2:23:50] >> Did the BFW do it last year at
[2:23:52] >> I think it was. Yeah.
[2:23:54] >> I need to
[2:23:55] >> I know they did at the Golden Hills
[2:23:57] days. Hills days they may have been able
[2:23:59] I don't think
[2:24:00] >> you can reach out to Bill Collins cuz he
[2:24:02] was I think involved with that.
[2:24:04] >> Okay.
[2:24:04] >> He's going on a mission though in a
[2:24:06] couple of weeks. So
[2:24:07] >> I know
[2:24:08] >> get a hold of him now and get a contact.
[2:24:10] >> I'll call him tomorrow. Just ask him
[2:24:11] who.
[2:24:12] >> Yeah.
[2:24:12] >> Okay. I can do that. Perfect. And then I
[2:24:17] think that's all. Yeah, that's all I've
[2:24:19] got. So let's see. Let's go to Council
[2:24:23] Member Malovich. Okay. So earlier
[2:24:25] tonight, um, I sent you an email with
[2:24:29] the slide deck of 121 slides that, uh,
[2:24:33] kind of a wrap-up of the legislative
[2:24:35] session. We had a 100, 2016 bills that
[2:24:39] were introduced and numbered. Um, we as
[2:24:43] the Utah League of Cities and Towns in
[2:24:44] Woodland Hills, we tracked 243 of those
[2:24:47] bills and in the end, out of all the
[2:24:50] bills, 541 were passed. Um the slide
[2:24:54] deck I sent you is kind of divides it up
[2:24:56] in uh between the housing and land use
[2:24:59] bills that were we thought were most
[2:25:01] important. All 243 are not on that slide
[2:25:04] deck of 121. Um so housing and land use,
[2:25:08] revenue and taxes, water, economic
[2:25:10] development, elections, homelessness,
[2:25:13] uh public safety, general government,
[2:25:15] and transportation. We they're kind of
[2:25:17] um put into those categories. Um,
[2:25:22] a lot is going on and it will still go
[2:25:24] on. Interim meetings um begin again um
[2:25:28] in they take April off but they begin
[2:25:30] again in May. So we'll be looking to see
[2:25:34] if there's any other changes. Some of
[2:25:36] the things that didn't pass are going to
[2:25:38] be brought back up and we'll start
[2:25:39] seeing those in the committees starting
[2:25:41] in May. Um again like kind of like the
[2:25:44] Jod said, we'll talk about some of them
[2:25:47] at the league meetings and St. George.
[2:25:50] But anyways, when you have a moment, go
[2:25:52] through those slides and if you have any
[2:25:54] questions about them, just contact me.
[2:25:56] >> Thank you for providing those and not
[2:25:58] going through them tonight.
[2:26:01] >> Yes,
[2:26:01] >> there's no way I was going to cuz
[2:26:03] there's no reason there's no reason to.
[2:26:05] They're all passed and well, some of
[2:26:07] them on the slide are showing ones that
[2:26:08] didn't pass. Some of the ones that we
[2:26:10] worked against and didn't pass. And so
[2:26:13] that's al also a good thing to know that
[2:26:15] how many we were able to um report.
[2:26:21] >> Awesome. And you have the I need the
[2:26:22] article from you. I just texted.
[2:26:24] >> Okay. Um and then council member Roden.
[2:26:27] >> Yes. So, uh, last meeting, um, Council
[2:26:32] Member Hutchkins asked a request that I
[2:26:35] work with, um, Nebo, um, Interactive on
[2:26:39] our, uh, uh, digital storage. Uh, that
[2:26:43] would include, um, our council meetings,
[2:26:46] etc. Right now, a lot of our all of our
[2:26:48] backup, I think right now, Jod's on a on
[2:26:49] a physical drive. We've been looking at
[2:26:52] options for um, a cloud service to be
[2:26:56] able to handle that. Um Brett and I
[2:26:59] spoke uh earlier early in last week uh
[2:27:02] we had talked about several different
[2:27:04] solutions. One just getting just for
[2:27:06] those know uh Amazon Web Services AWS
[2:27:09] you can just get what they call an S3
[2:27:10] bucket. It's basically just a storage
[2:27:12] and you just load files there. Easy
[2:27:14] enough, uh, inexpensive enough, but the I wouldn't call them management
[2:27:20] tools, but it's not a great interface if
[2:27:21] you're not used to logging into an AWS
[2:27:24] environment and having all the different
[2:27:26] protocols you need to have just to even
[2:27:27] access an S3 bucket. We do already have
[2:27:30] something called iDrive that that is a
[2:27:32] cloud service. I think he spoke, Brett
[2:27:35] and Jody spoke. um we feel that is an
[2:27:38] adequate solution for now considering
[2:27:40] the amount of storage that we need and
[2:27:41] so we'll be doing a backup uh a backup
[2:27:45] system in in iDrive.
[2:27:46] >> Will that change if if we do all this
[2:27:49] document scanning?
[2:27:50] >> I don't know where the document scanning
[2:27:52] is going to live. I think the document
[2:27:53] scanning actually lives on hard drives
[2:27:55] and then
[2:27:56] >> Okay.
[2:27:57] >> Yeah. So now if we want to move it
[2:27:59] document images are really again easy
[2:28:02] and cheap. Um, it may be something that
[2:28:04] we could do. Um, but that would probably
[2:28:06] not be a service that we'd have UCI do.
[2:28:08] We'd probably do that on our own where
[2:28:10] we would just upload what we get in
[2:28:11] physical storage. So, but that that
[2:28:14] would definitely be something that we
[2:28:15] can look at. And at that point, we might
[2:28:17] have we might exceed what we have in
[2:28:19] iDrive or we might need to move.
[2:28:20] >> Okay. So, thank you. That is my update.
[2:28:23] >> Hey, is there anything for upcoming city
[2:28:25] council meetings that you want to added
[2:28:28] to the agenda? If you think of something
[2:28:30] um like this time Brian just emailed
[2:28:32] over and said what he you know what for
[2:28:34] the sell the track. So if you think of
[2:28:35] something that needs to be added just
[2:28:37] email it over to Ben and Jody we can get
[2:28:40] it added. All right. Um I think we'll
[2:28:42] forego the break. Does anybody need
[2:28:44] another break?
[2:28:46] Okay. So, we will call to order um our
[2:28:50] city council meeting and we'll have an
[2:28:52] invocation by member uh council member
[2:28:55] Steve Johns and then a pledge of
[2:28:57] allegiance by council member Dan.
[2:29:02] » Our father in heaven, we're grateful to
[2:29:04] be able to meet together as a city staff
[2:29:07] and public and discuss the needs of the
[2:29:11] city. We're grateful for the city that
[2:29:12] we live in and for the fellowship that
[2:29:15] we have here living in the city and and
[2:29:18] for all the beauty that we are
[2:29:20] surrounded by. We pray that tonight we
[2:29:22] can be well-guided uh with good
[2:29:25] intentions that benefit
[2:29:28] the city as a whole and and the
[2:29:30] residents and can be and continue to be
[2:29:34] a beacon for for the state and and those
[2:29:37] around us. We pray for these things in
[2:29:39] the name of Jesus Christ. Amen. Amen.
[2:29:43] >> Please rise for the flag.
[2:29:47] » I pledge algiance to the flag of the
[2:29:51] United States of America and to the
[2:29:54] republic for which it stands, one nation
[2:29:58] under God, indivisible, with liberty and
[2:30:01] justice for all. Thank you.
[2:30:05] >> Can I just say how grateful I am that we
[2:30:07] always do that? I love that. Um, public
[2:30:11] comment two minutes or less. Does anyone
[2:30:14] have any comments?
[2:30:15] >> Doral.
[2:30:16] Hi, Doral.
[2:30:19] >> Hi. I just have two comments about the
[2:30:22] budget. I like I like what you all did
[2:30:25] this evening. That was well done. These
[2:30:27] are these are two important things I'd
[2:30:29] like you to consider.
[2:30:31] I would like the city to cover travel
[2:30:35] and food expenses for any city
[2:30:41] um official or employees that travel to
[2:30:44] training. We need to cover their food
[2:30:47] and their travel expenses. That should
[2:30:49] not be an expense to your individual
[2:30:51] families.
[2:30:52] >> Number number two,
[2:30:55] >> just clarification on that. Are you are
[2:30:57] you saying for even for the council?
[2:30:59] >> Yes. Especially for the council, mayor
[2:31:02] and city employees. If they travel
[2:31:04] somewhere, we need to pay their travel
[2:31:08] and food expenses. That's just what
[2:31:10] anybody does. Even little companies that
[2:31:12] I worked for did that my whole career.
[2:31:15] Uh number two, and and this is
[2:31:17] important. You've had the same salary
[2:31:20] for mayor and council members in the
[2:31:22] city for 20 plus years. It's time to
[2:31:26] change your salaries a little bit. I
[2:31:28] propose that you double the council and
[2:31:31] you double the mayor's salary. That that
[2:31:34] is not a difficult thing to do. It It's
[2:31:38] time. You're also uh you're just
[2:31:41] spending more hours than what you're
[2:31:43] getting for 200 bucks a month or 500
[2:31:45] bucks a month for the mayor. It's time
[2:31:47] to double that. That's my proposal.
[2:31:50] >> Thank you.
[2:31:52] >> It's it's $160 a month,
[2:31:55] >> right? I remember 8762.
[2:31:59] » One time I was at a meeting and
[2:32:01] everybody said, "How much do you make?"
[2:32:03] And there's some that make over a few
[2:32:05] thousand a month being council member
[2:32:06] and they have full staff
[2:32:08] >> from council staff and and so when I
[2:32:11] always raise my hand and tell them what
[2:32:12] we make, everybody laughs for a little
[2:32:14] while. But you know, we we love to serve
[2:32:16] our community and uh
[2:32:19] >> but but it shouldn't be an expense to
[2:32:21] your family. I'll give you a third one,
[2:32:23] too, since I get to talk for just
[2:32:25] another second. I want a new uh a real
[2:32:29] hand towel dispenser in the men's room.
[2:32:33] >> And and a light and a light.
[2:32:35] >> Okay, I'll quit. Thank you.
[2:32:37] >> Thank you, Dorl.
[2:32:40] Anybody else?
[2:32:41] >> Dispenser just need to work.
[2:32:43] >> Sherry, do you have public comments?
[2:32:44] >> I think the one in the women's works
[2:32:45] either
[2:32:54] My comment is brief. Um,
[2:32:58] I was pondering a quote by Ralph Waldo
[2:33:01] Emerson where he says, "In the woods we
[2:33:05] return to faith and reason."
[2:33:10] And I think this applies to Golden Hills
[2:33:13] for sure because we are in the woods.
[2:33:16] and to let you know that the citizens
[2:33:20] who have voted you into the council
[2:33:22] positions that you're in have a great
[2:33:25] deal of faith in you
[2:33:27] and I appreciate personally the
[2:33:30] reasoning process that you all went
[2:33:34] through tonight with regards to the
[2:33:35] budget.
[2:33:37] I have a comment about safety and
[2:33:40] internet that or it perhaps may be
[2:33:43] helpful. Um,
[2:33:47] because the city ordinance codes are in
[2:33:50] a PDF document, you can search them for
[2:33:54] the word safety or whatever. I had
[2:33:57] something, it's happened twice up in my
[2:34:00] neck of the woods where
[2:34:03] there have been three small children
[2:34:05] and I was greatly concerned for their
[2:34:08] safety. Two of them were very small,
[2:34:11] were on tiny wee motorcycles, and the
[2:34:15] other boy I would say is maybe
[2:34:19] 12, 14.
[2:34:21] And
[2:34:23] gosh, if something happened to those
[2:34:25] little boys
[2:34:27] laying it down or not following traffic
[2:34:30] rules, they're supposed to be an adult
[2:34:32] with them. And I think if somehow
[2:34:34] between Steve and safety and Dan and it,
[2:34:40] not only for us as a community, but
[2:34:44] there's a lot of people from out of city
[2:34:46] that come up in my neck of the woods,
[2:34:48] maybe letting Oakidge know or PAC
[2:34:53] Salem
[2:34:55] what we're putting out there to our
[2:34:56] citizens regarding safety and if it
[2:34:59] could just be, you know, a address, a
[2:35:03] website address. I I thought about a
[2:35:05] welcome packet, but who really reads
[2:35:08] paper anymore? You know, it's much
[2:35:11] easier to go to a website with pictures
[2:35:13] and uh descriptions where you can
[2:35:15] actually see the ordinance. So,
[2:35:18] >> we need like a welcome email maybe with
[2:35:19] some links to
[2:35:20] >> Yeah.
[2:35:21] >> some of our city stuff. I've thought
[2:35:22] about that. It's a question of who's
[2:35:24] going to put it together, but
[2:35:26] >> I do think it would be helpful. I I
[2:35:28] still remember my first uh my first
[2:35:31] siren Saturday here and nobody had told
[2:35:34] me and I was home alone and my husband
[2:35:36] was out of town and all the sirens went
[2:35:37] off and it was in June and I I was like
[2:35:41] I called my kids the sirens are going
[2:35:43] off. I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON. Um
[2:35:46] and I couldn't hear on Broad Hollow. You
[2:35:48] couldn't hear the message. It was all
[2:35:49] garbled. So I didn't know if it was
[2:35:51] saying get out now. I didn't know what
[2:35:53] it was saying. So that was 12 years ago.
[2:35:55] It's gotten a little better packet from
[2:35:59] our district leader.
[2:36:01] >> Never anything from the city and I think
[2:36:04] something could be put together to
[2:36:06] inform our citizens and keep us safe.
[2:36:09] >> Yep.
[2:36:09] >> Thank you.
[2:36:10] >> Yep.
[2:36:10] >> Thank you.
[2:36:11] >> Hey, anybody else?
[2:36:14] >> I I have a protocol question.
[2:36:16] >> Okay.
[2:36:16] >> I have an idea that I want you guys to
[2:36:18] chew on. Do I do it here or do I
[2:36:20] >> You can do it here.
[2:36:20] >> This is the right place.
[2:36:21] >> This is public comment.
[2:36:23] >> You can still be public and
[2:36:24] >> you live here. your public
[2:36:25] >> and a employee. Okay.
[2:36:29] I want to propose that we set up or
[2:36:32] support a certation
[2:36:35] in our city. Now,
[2:36:37] >> I announced that for you last week,
[2:36:39] announcement.
[2:36:39] >> I know, but I want to let you know what
[2:36:41] I'm doing though.
[2:36:42] >> We're we're such a small organiz city
[2:36:44] that I actually want to talk to Elkridge
[2:36:46] and Salem at the same time because they
[2:36:49] don't have a search team to support
[2:36:51] their cities as well. So, I believe I
[2:36:53] can get those other city councils to
[2:36:55] actually um help support and create that
[2:36:58] um organization. And I'm proposing that
[2:37:00] it runs under B Ready Academy because
[2:37:03] most of the other organizations
[2:37:05] throughout Utah County are all run by a
[2:37:07] separate nonprofit organization that
[2:37:09] works directly with the emergency center
[2:37:11] of each city. Um and then that entity
[2:37:16] can actually apply for grants to help
[2:37:19] fund their that organization. U and get
[2:37:22] the equipment they need to support a
[2:37:24] city such as emergency food cooking
[2:37:27] capabilities or tent cap, you know,
[2:37:29] tents and stuff like that that could
[2:37:31] help support us in an emergency. So, I
[2:37:33] just wanted you to chew on that, guys.
[2:37:35] So, I don't I don't know if it was if it
[2:37:37] was part of their cert organization,
[2:37:41] but it was cert members and cert
[2:37:44] equipment. And I've been on a number of fires in other cities where we're
[2:37:48] doing mutual aid
[2:37:49] >> and the CIR members are out there. They
[2:37:51] bring food and water and stuff like that
[2:37:54] >> to our all the firefighters that are out
[2:37:57] there out there.
[2:37:58] >> That's the kind of support I'm talking
[2:37:59] about. Um disaster assessments of areas
[2:38:02] of our city, uh status of community
[2:38:05] members. You can think of them like
[2:38:07] block captains on steroids.
[2:38:10] >> How's that? Um cuz a lot of the wars
[2:38:12] don't have black captains, but
[2:38:13] >> it it's appreciated on a big fire. I
[2:38:15] mean, knock on wood, we don't have
[2:38:17] another one, right?
[2:38:18] >> Um but it was very appreciated on fires
[2:38:21] that we've been on. Um when when we're
[2:38:24] out there for hours, especially in in
[2:38:27] the heat, and then they bring you pizza
[2:38:29] and they got cold drinks and so
[2:38:32] >> it was it was good.
[2:38:33] >> Ready is already working on gathering
[2:38:35] some of that equipment now. Um like I
[2:38:37] have a pot that I can cook 600 um meals
[2:38:40] in one pot. It's 48 gallon pot steel
[2:38:42] jacketed thing that's used for um I need
[2:38:46] to get a steam generator for it but
[2:38:47] other than that um
[2:38:49] >> that's a lot of chili and a lot of other
[2:38:51] food.
[2:38:51] >> Have you talked to like Spanish because
[2:38:53] they've got a serville has a search
[2:38:55] they've been on fire.
[2:38:56] >> So PAC and and Spanish uh are both
[2:38:59] cities that I'm actually working with
[2:39:00] them to help provide training for our
[2:39:02] people.
[2:39:03] So with Elidge, it was a flop when the
[2:39:07] fire happened. I'll just be glimp and
[2:39:09] honest.
[2:39:10] >> They're sir people or
[2:39:11] >> No, they're just their city.
[2:39:12] >> Just everything people
[2:39:15] >> there people. It was a flop. It ended up
[2:39:18] being myself and
[2:39:22] >> MacArthur and David Crack who ended up
[2:39:26] stepping in for Alridge. So
[2:39:29] >> that's
[2:39:30] >> I think it does matter on the on
[2:39:33] >> the support and leadership.
[2:39:35] >> Yes, I agree. So I I'm still going to
[2:39:37] look for somebody actually to run the
[2:39:39] SER program um because I won't be be
[2:39:41] able to do it, but I will work with
[2:39:43] person who would be trained
[2:39:45] >> having it having it go with with the
[2:39:47] city in cooperation with the nonprofit
[2:39:50] because we've had several s groups over
[2:39:52] the years, right? And they kind of come
[2:39:53] like and go like this. We had them
[2:39:55] through through church. We've had them
[2:39:57] through just neighborhoods wanting to do
[2:40:00] it. And so it when that person then
[2:40:03] leaves it goes away. So we need to make
[2:40:05] sure that it's sustainable and it's
[2:40:07] beneficial.
[2:40:09] >> I agree.
[2:40:11] Leaders leadership is everything.
[2:40:13] >> Appreciate the comments. Thank you for
[2:40:15] everybody. Okay. Um so then item number
[2:40:19] 12 is approval of February check
[2:40:22] dispersements.
[2:40:24] Um, does anybody want to make a motion?
[2:40:29] Make a
[2:40:29] >> motion. I'll second
[2:40:32] motion.
[2:40:33] >> Dan Roden.
[2:40:35] >> Carrie was the second. Um, all in favor?
[2:40:39] >> I I
[2:40:41] >> Any opposed
[2:40:44] because we don't have to do a we don't
[2:40:45] have to do a call, roll call, right?
[2:40:48] >> Okay. Um, and then we need to number 13
[2:40:52] is the decision on selling engine 192.
[2:40:55] >> I'll make a motion.
[2:40:57] >> I'll second
[2:40:59] >> to sell it or not to
[2:41:00] >> to sell it.
[2:41:04] Okay. Uh, so all in favor
[2:41:07] >> I
[2:41:09] >> and I. Any opposed?
[2:41:13] Okay, those both of those motions pass.
[2:41:16] Um,
[2:41:18] do we need to go in close session?
[2:41:22] >> You have an update.
[2:41:24] >> Like to see if we have an update.
[2:41:25] >> We have an update. Do we need the mayor
[2:41:27] for the update? Should I text him
[2:41:30] >> or can
[2:41:31] >> Please text him.
[2:41:32] >> I think it would be appropriate to text
[2:41:34] him.
[2:41:34] >> Okay, I'll text him.
[2:41:36] >> I'll make a motion we go into close
[2:41:37] session.
[2:41:38] >> I'll second it. All in favor?
[2:41:41] >> I.
[2:41:42] >> This request a roll call, right?
[2:41:44] >> Yes, it does. Oh, yep. Look at you.
[2:41:47] >> And you can also state why we're going
[2:41:48] to go into close session.
[2:41:50] >> Just for we're going to go into close
[2:41:52] session for a legal update.
[2:41:54] >> A legal update.
[2:41:55] >> So, um, Council Member Malovich,
[2:41:59] >> yes.
[2:42:00] >> Council member John's. Council member
[2:42:03] Hutchkins,
[2:42:03] >> yes.
[2:42:04] >> Council member Roden,
[2:42:05] >> yes.
[2:42:06] >> Council member Lent, yes. Okay. Um,
[2:42:09] we'll go into
[2:42:10] >> Definitely need a new sign session. I do
[2:42:12] >> the recording.
[2:42:15] The meeting has been unlocked.
[2:42:17] >> Yes.
[2:42:18] >> So that you can see who is there and we
[2:42:21] don't get any acquisitions that All
[2:42:23] right.
[2:42:23] >> I didn't unlock it. So
[2:42:26] >> that must have happened before.
[2:42:27] >> I make a motion to adjourn the meeting.
[2:42:29] >> I'll second that motion.
[2:42:30] >> I'll third it.
[2:42:32] >> All All in favor?
[2:42:34] >> I.
[2:42:34] >> Okay. Meeting is adjourned.
[2:42:37] >> You didn't take advantage of the no