[0:00] Okay. Uh we'll get started here and call
[0:03] the meeting to order. Oh, we being
[0:05] recorded right now.
[0:07] >> Yes, it's on.
[0:08] >> And first order of business, I would
[0:11] like to welcome Myers.
[0:12] >> Thank you, sir.
[0:13] >> To our committee. Thank you for your
[0:15] willingness to
[0:18] donate some of your precious time. So,
[0:20] thank you.
[0:21] >> Appreciate the opportunity.
[0:22] >> Got to be careful on our budget.
[0:24] >> We didn't have money to buy stiffness.
[0:27] >> Yes.
[0:27] >> Yeah. It's okay. Don't tell Jody.
[0:30] >> Well, maybe we can throw that in the
[0:31] budget to get some staples.
[0:33] >> Yeah.
[0:35] >> I'll donate some. I've got more staples
[0:37] lying around our house for the stapler
[0:39] that we hardly ever use.
[0:40] >> They're my nemesis staples. I spend all
[0:43] day pulling out staples so we can scan.
[0:46] >> Exactly. Yeah. There you go. Well,
[0:48] Janet, I think we'll just turn the time
[0:50] to you and let you kind of walk us
[0:53] through what you understand, realizing
[0:56] that you,
[0:57] >> you know, this is probably new for you,
[0:59] too. So,
[1:00] >> yeah. Um, so, first thing, if you look,
[1:03] there's two tabs at the very bottom. One
[1:06] is um the 2027 projection, and then
[1:09] there's a variable requests. So, what I
[1:12] just want to explain kind of what we're
[1:14] looking at first. So, what we're looking
[1:15] at right now, it's just a draft. This is
[1:17] not a final. We won't have a final till
[1:20] June. We're just getting started. We're
[1:21] just trying to figure out the numbers.
[1:23] Um, but the variable requests, what what
[1:27] the mayor did was he put up at the top,
[1:30] and you'll see it in this printed one,
[1:32] and it's the one that has the red on it,
[1:34] but initially he put up at the top how
[1:36] much we had to spend, and then all of
[1:38] the things that were needed, and we went
[1:40] through and prioritized and just started
[1:42] saying, "I want this, this, and this."
[1:44] and then we watch the money disappear.
[1:46] Um, but first we're going to look at the
[1:50] first thing we're going to do is look at
[1:52] um the hard costs. So that's what this
[1:54] is. So what these are are um the
[1:57] revenues. So you can see right here um
[2:00] in the beginning it's property taxes and
[2:03] stuff and it's a projected. So the far
[2:06] right right here, this is what is
[2:08] projected. But if you look um right here
[2:11] they went through and this is what we
[2:13] have in so far. So as of March
[2:15] >> so remind me
[2:16] >> those are the actual
[2:17] >> fiscal year is July to June.
[2:20] >> Yes.
[2:21] >> So when we say March we're 34 of the way
[2:24] through.
[2:24] >> Yep. And that's so you can see what's
[2:26] what is actual and then what is
[2:29] projected. Now um believe it or not I
[2:32] mean there are people that don't pay
[2:33] their property taxes and stuff. So and
[2:35] there are people that pay late so we get
[2:36] some late ones in. Um, but that's pretty
[2:39] self-explanatory. This is where all of
[2:41] our income comes from. So, you've got
[2:42] property taxes, motor vehicle fees,
[2:44] sales and use fees, transportation tax,
[2:47] franchise tax, and the telecom tax. Um,
[2:50] I don't know if you know this too, but
[2:52] we have a we have a on the old water
[2:55] tower, we have not AT&T, not Verizon,
[2:58] T-Mobile.
[3:00] >> We get paid for that. We have a
[3:02] >> bullet tower
[3:03] >> tower up there. So, that's what that
[3:04] money is. That's telecom tax or that's
[3:08] >> that's a tax but we also get an income
[3:10] from that. There's just little random
[3:11] things that we get money from. Business
[3:13] licenses, residential building permits.
[3:17] Um we don't get any animal licenses
[3:20] anymore. We actually took that off. You
[3:21] can see we zeroed that out because we
[3:23] don't get that anymore.
[3:24] >> We haven't for years now it looks like.
[3:26] >> And we used to do the the animal
[3:28] shelter. we do the we just didn't get a
[3:31] good turnout where we would vaccinate
[3:33] them and license them.
[3:34] >> Are the fiscal year numbers the budgets
[3:37] from those years or the actuals?
[3:40] >> Uh those are the actuals.
[3:41] >> You mean 23 and 24?
[3:43] >> Yeah.
[3:43] Those are the actuals
[3:46] >> and 25 I guess.
[3:48] >> Yeah.
[3:48] >> So when it says year-to- date spend when
[3:51] it's in the
[3:52] >> in revenue it's actually revenue.
[3:54] >> That's revenue.
[3:55] >> Yeah. But there revenue obviously
[3:58] categories are a lot smaller, right?
[4:01] So there's not as many of them. Um we
[4:05] get a class C road allocation. So if you
[4:07] look projected we'll get about $120,000.
[4:12] >> Will you show us with your mouse as
[4:13] you're describing things
[4:15] >> right here?
[4:18] So yes, class C road allocation.
[4:20] >> Do you know what that means, Janet?
[4:22] >> Yeah.
[4:23] >> That's like gasoline tax or something.
[4:25] It comes from partly from the gasoline
[4:27] tax, but it's a state allocation that
[4:29] all municipalities get collected by the
[4:32] state and remitted. There are sometimes
[4:36] you can request additional, but I don't
[4:38] know whether we've requested any
[4:40] additional,
[4:41] >> but this is separate from the
[4:42] transportation tax shown above.
[4:44] >> Yeah.
[4:44] it's additional.
[4:46] >> It's a special tax that Utah, it's been
[4:49] on the books for ever since I've been in
[4:52] a CPA. So,
[4:53] >> but is that coming from gas tax or is it
[4:56] coming from some other?
[4:58] >> Most of it's from gas tax. There's some
[4:59] that comes from excise tax on tires and
[5:02] other auto parts.
[5:03] >> The state gives allocates it to us.
[5:05] >> They all collected by the state and then
[5:06] allocate among all the municipalities in
[5:08] Utah.
[5:08] >> Okay.
[5:09] >> So, when we see the transportation tax,
[5:11] that's not all of the gas tax that's
[5:13] being paid at the pump. That's only some
[5:15] of it. Okay.
[5:17] >> And then it looks like a new one is a
[5:19] liquor fund aotment. So, we're going to
[5:20] get $1,000 for people.
[5:23] >> Oh, that's that's It bound me out.
[5:28] » So, we'll take it. We'll take I mean the
[5:29] $1,000.
[5:30] >> Is that Is that just a state allocation,
[5:32] too, or
[5:33] >> I believe so. Yeah.
[5:34] >> We all need to ste start drinking more.
[5:36] Is that it?
[5:38] >> No, that's passing out the sin tax
[5:40] dollars back to the local agencies to be
[5:44] able to deal with the problems in their
[5:47] community created by it.
[5:49] >> Right. This is so Mike can do more
[5:51] counseling for those people that have
[5:52] substance use disorders. There
[5:54] >> we go. Um, so then, uh, zoning and
[5:57] subdivision fees. We've got a few there.
[5:59] Fire department services. Um,
[6:03] so you can see
[6:04] >> now,
[6:04] >> are we on expenses now?
[6:06] >> No, this is still revenue.
[6:07] >> Fuel revenue. And then fuel reduction.
[6:11] Now, fuel reduction is something that
[6:13] it's our wildland firefighter group that
[6:16] goes out um and
[6:20] it's offset with costs, right? So, um I
[6:24] believe Ted said in city council they
[6:27] actually cleared about 105,000
[6:30] additional. Um but we're projecting that
[6:34] this year that it's going to be a high
[6:35] fire year and that they'll actually
[6:37] clear 150. They've already banned on two
[6:41] or three fires.
[6:42] >> It's just a sad thing to say. Yes, we're
[6:44] gonna make some good money this year.
[6:45] Other parts of the country are gonna
[6:47] burn.
[6:48] >> Just hope we don't burn.
[6:49] >> I know. Exactly.
[6:50] >> I I'm you know, I was going to get rid
[6:51] of my big uh our travel trailer and I as I thought about the dry, I'm
[6:56] like, now I remember why I have it cuz I
[6:57] might be living in it. So, we'll just
[6:59] keep it for now. Um all right. So, then
[7:02] fiber revenue, miscellaneous services,
[7:05] city center rental, you know, not a
[7:08] whole lot there. park rental, not a
[7:09] whole lot.
[7:10] >> Is the sanitation garbage fees, is that
[7:11] a pure pass through to the residents or
[7:14] is there some money that's made off it?
[7:16] >> It's a pass through. They tell us what
[7:18] we have to charge. Um and then interest
[7:21] earnings because we do have some money
[7:23] in savings. Okay. And then um proceeds
[7:28] from the sale of capital assets.
[7:31] So, part of one of the things that was
[7:34] proposed and approved is they're they
[7:37] have the old fire truck, the old extra
[7:39] fire truck, and they're going to sell
[7:42] that because they need a new ambulance.
[7:44] >> You're talking about the pumper,
[7:46] >> I think. So, it's the the the
[7:50] Yeah. Not the wildland truck, but the
[7:52] residential the one they don't use. The
[7:54] old one,
[7:55] >> the type one.
[7:56] >> Yeah, he knows.
[7:57] >> Old type one.
[7:59] Um the ambulance I guess there's been a
[8:02] couple times that they've gone they've
[8:04] had a call and they go to start the
[8:05] ambulance and it won't start
[8:08] >> and it's really old. Um it's I think 0 I
[8:11] don't remember what year 03 or something
[8:13] that they told us. So the plan is to
[8:17] sell that old fire truck and use those
[8:20] funds to buy an ambulance. So um that
[8:23] you'll that'll kind of off that'll
[8:25] offset that too. And then
[8:28] just all the other things.
[8:30] >> We'll get 150,000 for that old fire
[8:33] truck.
[8:34] >> Yeah.
[8:34] >> Wow.
[8:35] >> And they're looking at about a hundred
[8:37] for an ambulance. So, we'll actually
[8:39] make a little bit of money off of the
[8:41] exchange. But don't worry, it'll get
[8:43] spent on a snow pal plow blade or
[8:45] something else that needs replaced.
[8:48] >> 1.4 4 million in um capital
[8:52] >> proceeds of bond issues, but I think
[8:54] that's a that might be a pass through.
[8:57] >> It must be a pass through because it's
[8:58] not showing up in the
[8:59] >> Yeah, I think it's a pass through.
[9:01] >> It's showing up in the totals.
[9:02] >> It does show up in the total, but then
[9:04] there's places where down below where
[9:06] it'll show it going back out. It shows
[9:08] everything coming in and then later it
[9:10] picks everything out, right? Um so down
[9:12] here is what the mayor wanted us to look
[9:14] at. Now, a couple of things. This was
[9:18] not suggested by us. Um, I actually
[9:20] wasn't going to run for reelection and I
[9:22] was going to push for it before I left
[9:25] and then I got talked into running
[9:26] again. So, I didn't. But Doral, who's
[9:29] left, is pushing for it and that's uh an
[9:31] increase in wages. So, I don't know if
[9:33] you know, but city council gets $84
[9:36] every two weeks and it just it doesn't
[9:38] even cover gas for the meetings that we
[9:40] have to go to. Um, so it's not a big
[9:43] raise. It's just um
[9:46] >> Is that yellow mark what you're
[9:47] proposing it go to or that
[9:49] >> that's what he wanted us to look at was
[9:51] the yellow. And what did he say about
[9:52] the blue?
[9:53] >> The blue is the additional over here.
[9:56] So, um this is what it is right now.
[10:00] It's 18.
[10:00] >> Oh, okay.
[10:01] >> And then he wants to do an an additional
[10:03] 7200. He said what it would be would it
[10:05] would be an extra $100 a month for each
[10:08] council member and the mayor. Um, which
[10:12] again it just like it's just it's not
[10:14] even for our time. It's just um
[10:18] >> covers your costs.
[10:20] >> Not even really. Like I, you know, I'm
[10:22] over all the events and I I spend my own
[10:24] money and I use my own resources from my
[10:26] home and I use, you know what I mean?
[10:29] It's just it is what it is. You know,
[10:31] you just do like if something is needed
[10:34] and you have it, you just do it. You
[10:36] don't think about it. But anyway,
[10:38] >> so currently it's basically $2,000 per
[10:42] council member and $8,000 for the mayor,
[10:45] >> something like that,
[10:46] >> if I'm doing my math right.
[10:48] >> Yeah.
[10:49] >> N $7,000 for the mayor,
[10:53] >> which is crazy to think how much work
[10:55] Ben puts in for $7,000.
[10:57] >> He's here all the but he's, you know,
[10:59] we've had a lot of change and he's
[11:01] trying to kind of get that straightened
[11:03] out. And you know when uh Brent got in
[11:05] there was a lot of change too because
[11:06] that's when Corbett and Craig had all
[11:09] that change happened. So um anyway so he
[11:13] wanted to know your opinion on that how
[11:17] you feel about that.
[11:20] I think on the one hand, adding $7,200
[11:24] obviously is nearly a 50% increase, but
[11:27] it still doesn't even approach
[11:29] compensating for the time that public
[11:32] servants put in. But then again, they're
[11:35] not running to get on in order to make a
[11:38] wage out.
[11:39] >> Yeah. None of us did this for the
[11:40] paycheck. So the question is is is there
[11:43] enough money there to offset the cost so
[11:47] it's not costing you to be on to be a
[11:51] public servant because you have to spend
[11:53] your own personal money to go to all the
[11:56] meetings and
[11:57] >> probably have to 1099 that too for
[12:00] >> Mhm.
[12:01] >> Is it 1099 or W2?
[12:02] >> It's a W2.
[12:05] >> Um you know so you claim it. They take
[12:07] taxes out.
[12:08] >> There's FICA on there. So there's a
[12:10] contribution.
[12:11] >> Yeah. So
[12:14] anybody else any objections?
[12:17] >> That's such a controversial one.
[12:18] >> Small thing.
[12:20] >> It's such a small dollar amount, but
[12:21] >> but I realize it's controversial.
[12:23] >> At a $3.8 million spend, adding 7,200 to
[12:28] make it so they don't have to spend as
[12:30] much out of their own pocket.
[12:34] >> Well, and here's the other thing we went
[12:36] through. Remember that I said we have
[12:37] the other we went through the other and
[12:40] we had we don't now because he's but we
[12:42] had 35,000 left over that we did a lot
[12:45] to anything.
[12:46] >> Oh, good for you guys.
[12:48] >> And so he's he's pulling it out over
[12:51] here. He's saying, "Okay, we've got
[12:53] 35,000 left. I'm going to make some
[12:55] suggestions in this blue of how to spend
[12:57] it."
[12:58] >> So what what do you think, Mike? What's
[13:00] your thoughts on that?
[13:03] everything everybody has said. It's it's
[13:05] not a ton of money out of the whole
[13:08] budget, but it's very controversial.
[13:10] I just wonder the impact on the
[13:14] community as a whole.
[13:16] >> I think my response to anybody who had a
[13:19] problem would say, well, then you run
[13:21] >> Yeah, exactly.
[13:21] >> for council and
[13:23] >> find out how much time it takes.
[13:24] >> Yeah.
[13:26] >> Now, I have no problem with it.
[13:27] >> I don't have a problem at all with that
[13:28] one. I obviously can't have an opinion.
[13:31] And you know, I kind of feel like if if
[13:34] it was something I voted on, I would
[13:35] abstain myself from it because
[13:38] >> I I'll say it this way. I also have
[13:41] other civic engagements that I do where
[13:44] I donate a whole lot of time to, an hour
[13:47] or two every day. But I'm willing to do
[13:51] my time, but I don't want my family's
[13:54] personal finance to have to suffer
[13:56] because of it. So, I like having enough
[13:58] money available that when I drive
[14:00] everywhere and buy food for the
[14:02] activities and things that I can get
[14:04] that reimbured.
[14:05] >> I served on a waterboard soldier Summit
[14:08] Water District for
[14:10] seven, six years, seven years, you know,
[14:13] and I never got done. And then all of a
[14:18] sudden, they did give us some money at
[14:20] least to cover our expenses. And so
[14:23] that's been nice and it makes you want
[14:25] to serve more.
[14:27] >> Yeah. Um
[14:28] >> because you're you don't have to outlay
[14:30] so much of your own money to take care
[14:32] of things.
[14:33] >> Well, and I you know and I remember
[14:34] something that like Bob Bob Ali told me
[14:37] when he was on because he was the one
[14:38] that talked me into running. But um he
[14:41] said, "Yeah, you get a little bit of
[14:42] money. It's not much of anything." And
[14:44] he said, "I just save it and use it to
[14:47] buy candy when I need to for Santa." And
[14:49] I've done that, too. You know what I
[14:51] mean? It's like he just he just kind of
[14:52] put it away in a savings account and
[14:54] then used it when it was needed. So it
[14:57] doesn't even necessarily go to us. It
[14:59] kind a lot of a lot of times the money
[15:00] goes right back into the city.
[15:02] >> So what's the total per council? 2,000
[15:04] >> currently. If I do 84 time 26 then I
[15:08] >> 7 seven for the mayor
[15:10] >> and and the remaining amount left out of
[15:12] 18,000 was seven.
[15:13] >> No.
[15:16] So, what
[15:19] I
[15:19] >> I appreciate the comment. I'm wondering,
[15:21] and again, I'm just a new guy, so um
[15:24] what if the expenses
[15:27] were just expenses instead of wages?
[15:32] >> What do you mean reimburse?
[15:33] >> In other words, reimburse.
[15:34] >> Yes. Reimburse the expenses so that the
[15:37] community knows these are this is money
[15:38] out of pocket.
[15:40] >> Um Yeah. Well, like in two weeks, we're
[15:42] going to St. George and we pay for our
[15:44] own gas. We pay for our own meals. Like
[15:46] I don't think the city wants to
[15:48] reimburse that.
[15:48] >> I think it would be more then
[15:50] >> it would be a lot more.
[15:51] >> It'd be a lot more. Um they do there is
[15:55] a place in the budget for a little bit
[15:57] of council cuz we it's training. We go
[15:59] to St. George for two days and it's like
[16:00] seminars and it's gross. Like you sit in
[16:02] meetings from 8:00 in the morning till
[16:04] >> this is League of Cities and Towns.
[16:06] >> Yeah. the League of Cities and Towns and
[16:08] it's it's classes on water and
[16:10] government and how to stay out of jail
[16:13] and all the things and technology and
[16:15] all the things and um you kind of pick
[16:18] and choose. We we go based on what
[16:21] committees we're on and what we serve on
[16:22] and what we have.
[16:23] >> Sure.
[16:24] >> But we pay for all of that ourselves.
[16:26] But to Mike's point, if we did it and
[16:28] saying,
[16:29] >> "Yes,
[16:29] >> turn in your reimbursements
[16:32] >> and we've got a pot of money $7,200."
[16:35] >> We save on FICA.
[16:37] >> Yes.
[16:37] >> Because we're not paying increased taxes
[16:39] when we're doing reimbursements as
[16:41] opposed to paying wages.
[16:43] >> I'm like trying to decide if I want to
[16:45] put it on here or here. I will.
[16:47] >> What's the FICA on there again? 500
[16:52] 52
[16:53] >> 550.
[16:56] He said I could write on this.
[16:57] >> Add that to the total amount you're
[16:58] getting reimbured.
[17:01] >> If we're if by converting it to
[17:04] reimbursement instead of wages, we save
[17:06] the FICA with the FIA in the total
[17:09] amount that's available for
[17:10] reimbursement.
[17:12] >> I'm going to make notes on here. It
[17:14] might be easier. I'm afraid I'm going to
[17:15] delete something.
[17:17] I can I'll give these to Ben, my notes,
[17:19] but
[17:22] I'm I'm making a note on here. He said,
[17:24] "Give me any notes that you guys have."
[17:26] Okay,
[17:26] >> that might be a consideration. And
[17:28] >> I'll ask I'll ask him about it and how
[17:30] >> be a win-win both ways.
[17:32] >> I mean, you could theoretically take all
[17:35] $18,000 out and say, "I don't get paid a
[17:38] dime. I get reimbursed for a fair amount
[17:40] of expenses, but I don't get paid a
[17:43] dime." And that would save us 1377 plus
[17:47] 550 that we could convert into more
[17:49] money available for reimbursements
[17:50] rather than going out as employer
[17:52] payment.
[17:52] >> Yep. employer taxes.
[17:54] >> Although most communities get in in
[17:57] other communities, granted they're
[17:58] bigger, but city council members get
[18:00] like 1,200 a month or something.
[18:02] >> Yeah,
[18:03] >> they get, you know, quite a bit.
[18:05] >> So,
[18:07] um,
[18:08] >> well, are we trying to benchmark and
[18:10] match this industry standard?
[18:13] >> No.
[18:13] >> Or we just trying to do whatever makes
[18:15] the most sense for our small little
[18:17] city. And if we can save money and make
[18:20] more money available to compensate our
[18:24] public servants and quit sending it to
[18:26] the feds.
[18:28] >> Yeah, I get what you're saying.
[18:29] >> We could look at a couple of cities,
[18:30] too. We could look at Elk Ridge and
[18:34] Mona and some of the smaller towns.
[18:36] >> There hasn't been a wage increase for
[18:38] council and mayor in like 12 years.
[18:43] But the but you know, the employees, I
[18:45] mean, they're employees and we have to
[18:46] give them wages. We're going to move.
[18:48] Keep thinking about that, but we got to
[18:49] keep going or we'll never get done. Um,
[18:51] so admin wages and salaries. You can see
[18:54] where I am now. So, this shows Ted 50%
[18:57] of his wage. Jodie 100% of her wage.
[19:00] This is what comes out of the general.
[19:02] Lori 30% of her wage. Some of hers comes
[19:05] out of water and stuff. Uh Wayne, he
[19:08] doesn't get he gets a little bit in code
[19:10] enforcement like a stipen, but he
[19:12] doesn't get a wage. And then Toby. So,
[19:15] those are and it shows you the
[19:16] percentage you can see right there. Um,
[19:20] and so Ben has um in the past they did
[19:24] he explained this to me, but in the past
[19:26] they would do like a 4% cost of living
[19:29] wage, but it wasn't really fair because
[19:31] somebody like Lori 4% was like $500.
[19:36] Um because and then somebody who got
[19:39] paid more like a Ted or what Chris was
[19:42] making, you know, it was a huge way
[19:44] raise. So
[19:45] >> I'm not understanding though. We've got Jod at 100% and Ted at 50%.
[19:51] >> Cuz 50% of it comes out of another fund.
[19:53] >> What? Yeah. What fund it's in.
[19:55] >> Yeah. So, so out of So, but overall, Ben
[19:59] is proposing a 1% cost of living
[20:02] increase and a 2% performance increase
[20:05] for TED
[20:06] and then a 6%. So, now that we don't
[20:10] have Chris, we are hiring somebody.
[20:14] >> Chris is no longer
[20:16] >> He's been gone for a while.
[20:19] That's why I'm doing
[20:19] >> a month or so, right?
[20:20] >> Yeah, that's why I'm doing
[20:21] >> He's no longer engaged.
[20:23] >> I did not know that. Sorry. Yeah, we
[20:26] didn't um we didn't like it was talked
[20:29] about in a city council meeting, but we
[20:31] didn't like advertise it or anything. Um
[20:34] but so they're taking on more duties.
[20:36] There's a lot more of the bookkeeping
[20:39] and stuff that's being done by staff. So
[20:43] Lori and Jod are both getting raises
[20:45] because they're having to take on a
[20:46] bigger portion of Chris's duties. And
[20:49] honestly, Lori was already doing a lot
[20:51] of it because Chris was kind of spread a
[20:54] little bit thin. Um, and so Lori was
[20:56] already doing a ton of it. Um, so that's
[20:59] why
[21:01] >> you can see the actual
[21:02] >> reason for taking on additional duties.
[21:04] Absolutely.
[21:05] >> And because what was the total spend on
[21:07] Chrissa?
[21:08] >> Uh, he was he was I he was over 100.
[21:12] >> Yeah. 110 something.
[21:13] >> 110 112.
[21:15] >> Okay. So, we're taking 110 and then
[21:18] turning it into
[21:20] >> $10,000.
[21:21] >> Yeah.
[21:22] >> Talk about
[21:22] >> that's a good win.
[21:24] >> Yeah, we will hire um
[21:27] we are looking for we're hiring someone.
[21:29] So, it's weird, but there, you know,
[21:31] we're a municipality, so there's a lot
[21:33] of reports that have to be filed on time
[21:35] in a certain way, and um this last
[21:38] little while, we were getting a lot of
[21:40] fines and different things because
[21:41] things weren't being done timely and and
[21:43] so um so we're we're looking to hire
[21:47] someone that's experienced with
[21:49] accounting with municipalities.
[21:51] >> So, we're not just saving it. It's just
[21:53] we currently don't have the position,
[21:54] >> but it won't but we we're not going to
[21:56] it's not going to be an employee. It's
[21:57] going to be somebody that does it for a
[21:58] couple of cities and we're going to it
[22:00] the wage will be really small like
[22:03] >> it like a like a contract. So it'll be
[22:06] about a third of what we've been
[22:07] >> we're just outsourcing that requirement
[22:09] to an accounting firm
[22:11] >> and we'll still have we'll still have
[22:12] somebody to do our taxes but we'll have
[22:15] somebody that just files all of our
[22:16] reports and does our FICA and all those
[22:19] kinds of things. I I did give Ben a name
[22:22] of individual that I work with right now
[22:24] on our water board and
[22:27] >> Okay.
[22:28] >> Yeah. Because he was going to actually
[22:29] reach out to both of you and ask both of
[22:30] you if you knew somebody.
[22:32] >> He's tremendous.
[22:33] >> And he knew one person too.
[22:35] >> Two years and it's flawless.
[22:38] >> Did Squire do stuff like this?
[22:40] >> We do payroll things if that that's part
[22:44] of the work. That's part of the work,
[22:45] but we're we're looking for somebody
[22:46] that has is, you know, has experience
[22:49] with government
[22:50] >> public reporting.
[22:51] >> Yeah.
[22:51] >> Got a big governmental group, but I
[22:53] don't think they get into the details.
[22:54] They're mostly just auditors.
[22:58] >> All right. So, then I need to go back
[23:01] over here.
[23:02] >> So, I I'll just comment on the Rays
[23:05] formulas of doing colas plus performance
[23:09] eval. I hate that system.
[23:12] I think colas are stupid.
[23:14] I think you just come up with one
[23:18] number, one percentage and just call it
[23:20] what you want to call it. But if you're
[23:23] trying to split the baby and call part
[23:26] of it cost of living, then that needs to
[23:28] be indexed against a a standard
[23:30] benchmark
[23:32] um as opposed to
[23:35] doing the these split things
[23:38] and just say this is what we you know
[23:41] benchmark municipal wages over time
[23:44] increase by x% or we do a salary survey
[23:47] every year and come up with the these
[23:50] are market competitive rates and there
[23:51] may some years where there's no raise
[23:53] and there's other years where there's a
[23:55] 6% raise.
[23:56] >> And I've recommended that actually to
[23:58] the mayor that we do a salary review of
[24:02] the city employees and
[24:04] >> and I remember he did one a few years
[24:06] ago.
[24:07] >> Yeah. Uh what's his bucket?
[24:10] Sever
[24:11] >> Yeah. Came and did a fantastic
[24:13] government because he was so familiar
[24:15] with the federal government, all the
[24:17] wage classifications.
[24:19] >> Yeah. He did an awesome job on it. Um,
[24:21] >> I thought he did it.
[24:23] >> And I think that did a good job of
[24:25] saying this is the right classification,
[24:27] but now keeping up with what's the
[24:29] market rate for those positions, we just
[24:31] need to know what
[24:34] job to compare that against because you
[24:37] can get all this data from the Bureau of
[24:38] Labor Statistics.
[24:41] >> Um, and just say we're going to
[24:43] benchmark your raise. But I I like that
[24:47] it's not just all cost of living and
[24:50] we're just matching because if we've got
[24:52] a stupendous Jodie that just is amazing,
[24:56] but we hire somebody else that's not
[24:59] really that great, I want to be able to
[25:01] give them more for performance
[25:04] than just everybody gets the same 2%
[25:07] raise per year because that's what the
[25:09] benchmark is.
[25:12] Oh,
[25:13] >> that's smart.
[25:15] Um,
[25:15] >> I figured
[25:16] >> now I say that because I've got 250
[25:19] employees, so I can give the good ones a
[25:21] good raise and the bad ones a small
[25:23] raise,
[25:24] >> but when you've only got five and
[25:26] they're all good.
[25:29] >> It's hard to say. We're saving it on the
[25:30] bad one to give it to the good one.
[25:33] Okay. So, this next section um is FICA,
[25:37] retirement,
[25:38] health insurance,
[25:41] um
[25:43] admin audit. We do we have an audit done
[25:45] every year. Admin attorney.
[25:47] >> Is the attorney fees appropriate for the
[25:50] anticipated litigation costs?
[25:53] >> Um
[25:55] >> yeah.
[25:56] >> Are we still in litigation?
[25:57] >> Yeah.
[25:59] The fugitives have filed a couple more
[26:02] cases and then we have a couple people
[26:05] threat. Is
[26:05] >> that the one that was always been a
[26:07] problem?
[26:08] >> Yeah, it's been going on for 10 years or
[26:10] something now.
[26:11] >> It's not 10, but it's not much less than
[26:14] that.
[26:14] >> Close.
[26:15] >> Um
[26:16] >> cuz when we moved in, fugitives were
[26:18] nice and happy and everything, but
[26:20] >> then things soured a few years later.
[26:22] >> I really like them. It's really sad. I
[26:25] taught their kids in primary. Um Megan
[26:28] and I were friends. Um so so yeah,
[26:32] probably it might it just depends. We
[26:35] have someone else in the city that's
[26:38] threatening. So we'll we'll see. Um
[26:43] and then elections, that's we won't have
[26:46] an election this year, so there's just
[26:47] $100.
[26:49] >> Go back up to what's the admin
[26:51] professional services?
[26:51] >> Yeah, what's the professional services?
[26:54] >> I not 100% sure. I think that I'm sorry
[26:57] that I Let's go look.
[27:00] Um Oh, there's so 13,500 is for scanning
[27:05] of records that we approved in over
[27:08] here. Um and then
[27:10] >> old older records that have been
[27:12] >> so if there's ever a fire that's all um
[27:15] it's all the old stuff that's just on
[27:16] paper.
[27:17] >> Mhm.
[27:18] >> And we're going to do it in chunks. So,
[27:20] it was going to be a lot more than that,
[27:21] but we decided we would do like a fourth
[27:25] of it this, you know what I mean? We're
[27:26] going to spread it out. And then also,
[27:29] we have a contact contract for our IT
[27:32] stuff like that. So, it's stuff like
[27:34] that that we have contracts for. Um,
[27:38] >> but these are outside professional
[27:40] services, not city. So, these are not
[27:41] employees.
[27:42] >> 13,500 scanning is again outside
[27:46] company. We're just going to ship them
[27:47] off to Iron Mountain and they're going
[27:48] to
[27:48] >> Yep. We're going to Yeah. And it is It's
[27:50] going to the prison wherever that
[27:52] Anyway, they're going to do it. They do
[27:54] it.
[27:54] >> So, there's $76,000 in it.
[27:57] >> It's not just it. It's There's several
[27:59] items. There's There's a whole bunch of
[28:01] things that go into that. It is only
[28:04] a,000 a month, I think. So,
[28:08] >> a whole bunch of things.
[28:10] >> In my P&L, accounting is under admin
[28:13] professional services.
[28:15] Yeah,
[28:16] >> we probably want to look at that broken
[28:18] out and know what it is, but
[28:20] >> Yeah,
[28:20] >> that's a lot of money.
[28:22] >> Yeah.
[28:22] >> Um,
[28:24] utilities you got there and then,
[28:29] uh,
[28:32] >> the utilities seem to be up
[28:34] significantly. Is that just because of
[28:35] rates or is that because of increased
[28:38] usage?
[28:40] >> Um,
[28:42] I I think it's just rates. But look at
[28:45] it's Yeah, because it's gone up from 43,
[28:48] you know, uh natural gas and stuff is
[28:50] out of this world right now.
[28:53] Uh with all this with the war and
[28:55] everything going on. So I think they're
[28:56] trying to anticipate
[28:58] um and then also let's see traveling
[29:04] that's what pays for our conference.
[29:07] Let's see. And then admin book
[29:09] subscriptions. That's like Polaris.
[29:13] Um, a couple subscriptions they have
[29:15] like that. Supplies and expenses.
[29:20] >> Wait a minute. That's It's hard to see
[29:22] going across. The 60,000 is for
[29:26] insurance and bonds.
[29:28] >> Yeah, it's hard to
[29:29] >> Right. It's a weird line because it goes
[29:31] down.
[29:32] >> Yeah.
[29:33] It's not stretched out. So the
[29:35] travel conferences is only
[29:37] >> 3,000.
[29:37] >> Mhm.
[29:38] >> So again with the insurance that's a
[29:40] significant increase from prior years.
[29:42] >> Yeah.
[29:43] >> Um and in fact it's interesting how much
[29:45] it's bouncing around for 4,000 then
[29:49] 53,000 then 9,000 the 19.
[29:51] >> Are we paying more because of our
[29:52] lawsuits? Is that what we're doing?
[29:55] >> I'm not sure. I'm sorry. We don't have
[29:58] Chris anymore.
[30:00] >> Well that's something that needs to be
[30:01] explained. what 60,000 why it's so much
[30:05] and why it's so much more than
[30:06] historical.
[30:09] >> Um
[30:09] >> we spent quite a bit this year though in
[30:11] that category.
[30:14] >> Some of the stuff I just don't I don't
[30:16] know what goes into all of it and
[30:19] Okay. So
[30:23] I don't know what this principal sales
[30:26] tax. It's only 690,000. We can go on
[30:31] >> projected. I don't know what that is.
[30:34] >> So, scroll over to that note. This could
[30:36] be
[30:37] >> go go go go away in 2027, but we won't
[30:39] know until evaluation has been done on
[30:41] the new bond.
[30:44] >> So, that's the bond.
[30:45] >> Is that the bond we Yeah,
[30:46] >> I think that's the bond that we had that
[30:48] we've had and we've been paying on. We
[30:49] have a couple of them.
[30:50] >> Yeah. Where are we doing a new
[30:51] >> We looked at those, remember?
[30:53] >> One for roads, one for water. We looked
[30:55] at those and you know because you've
[30:57] been here and so yeah I think that's
[30:59] what we're paying on those.
[31:03] » So is this saying let me just voice it.
[31:06] We're getting a new bond up above and
[31:08] we're retiring an old bond to the tune
[31:10] of 690,000.
[31:13] >> Yeah, I think that's what it means.
[31:15] >> We haven't just we haven't done anything
[31:17] on
[31:17] >> I can swallow that if that's what's
[31:19] happening.
[31:21] >> Otherwise it doesn't make sense. Yeah,
[31:23] >> because we had a bond revenue of
[31:28] 1.4 million. So if we're retiring
[31:30] 690,000 of that giving us a net increase
[31:33] of
[31:34] >> now the 1.4
[31:37] >> is if we take out the new bond and there
[31:39] and it's it is being spent somewhere so
[31:41] it's probably there
[31:44] part of it.
[31:44] >> Yeah. Retiring the like Aaron said
[31:46] retiring some of the old bonds and then
[31:49] doing all the
[31:50] >> we talked about rolling that We also
[31:53] were taking money out of we've had money
[31:55] in capital funds and we already this was
[31:56] already decided long ago. We already
[31:58] decided this previously, but we took all
[32:01] the money out of some of the capital
[32:03] funds and then out of the general fund
[32:06] to pay for some of the roads projects so
[32:08] we wouldn't have to finance them. Um we
[32:10] did vote as a council to keep 250k in
[32:14] the general fund savings. Um roads and
[32:18] water are you know water fund is
[32:21] different. It's its own thing, but just
[32:24] for um we keep 250k in there for
[32:27] emergencies.
[32:28] So, and I'm sorry that I'm not Chris and
[32:30] I don't have all the answers you guys
[32:32] want. Sorry. Sorry.
[32:33] >> J, I would say one thing from a public
[32:35] transparency perspective. I think
[32:38] anything that is five digits, let's say,
[32:42] needs to be able to have an explanation
[32:45] either when the question is asked or
[32:46] have a note out to the side that says
[32:49] what all these line items are.
[32:50] >> Yeah. There are some notes. See, I'm
[32:52] sliding it over.
[32:53] >> Yeah. But there's a lot that you don't
[32:55] know. And when it's a not just a
[32:57] fivedigit, but a six figure number
[32:59] especially, there needs to be an
[33:01] explanation of what that is.
[33:03] >> And honestly, that's something we've
[33:05] never had and we've asked for all the
[33:07] time. And so, I think some of it, yes, I
[33:09] agree.
[33:10] >> And and in the old days, it may have
[33:11] been that's because we had Chris and he
[33:13] could just rattle it off.
[33:14] >> But if we don't have Chris, then we need
[33:16] to have it on paper. And it's better to
[33:18] have it on paper so people can refer
[33:21] back to going, I can't remember what
[33:22] Chris said.
[33:23] >> Even with Chris, it would have been
[33:24] great to have that the notes down.
[33:25] >> I I think that's really wise what Aaron
[33:28] just said on that
[33:31] >> is have explanations on on anything over
[33:34] >> what' you say?
[33:35] >> I'm saying five figures. Anything over
[33:37] 10,000
[33:40] >> over 10,000 or more.
[33:42] >> Okay. And then maybe anything related to
[33:45] wages just because wages are stupidly so
[33:48] controversial.
[33:50] I guess staff wages, they're going to be
[33:53] in the five figures. It's the council
[33:55] wages that are not, but those are the
[33:57] most controversial ones even though
[33:59] they're the least expensive ones.
[34:01] >> And you know my because I get that in my
[34:03] job a lot. I get beat up over like
[34:05] getting paid for what I do. And I just
[34:07] have to look at people and go, "Do you
[34:09] love what you do?" And they, "Oh yeah,
[34:10] no, no, no, no. Tell me what you do. Do
[34:12] you love it? Yeah. Well, will you do it
[34:14] for free? You know what I mean? It's
[34:16] like
[34:17] people's time is valuable. Sorry. Um
[34:22] inspection wages, all of this. There's a
[34:24] lot.
[34:25] >> What's the plan review? There were notes
[34:26] out to the right of that one. That
[34:28] 17,000.
[34:29] >> Um yes, let me scoot over.
[34:33] Sunrise inspections
[34:36] says it should probably be renamed. If
[34:38] you want to reduce that just a little
[34:40] bit on the view, you might be able to
[34:44] see that. Yeah, that's that's probably
[34:47] too much. But
[34:48] >> I know I'm like, hold on.
[34:56] » Maybe just a hair more.
[34:57] >> I can I can now scroll back to the left
[35:00] and see how much
[35:02] >> how much we can see.
[35:03] >> You can type a number in there, too.
[35:04] Like if you wanted to do
[35:06] >> Yeah.
[35:06] >> 60%. See, that's that's readable for me
[35:08] if it's not for you guys.
[35:10] >> Okay, that'll make it easier for me cuz
[35:12] it's hard going back and forth. I feel
[35:13] like I'm
[35:14] >> absolutely
[35:14] >> getting lost. So, let me scroll back
[35:16] down. We just you guys we will be here
[35:18] for 6 hours if we keep going at this
[35:20] slow pace. I'm sorry. And most of these
[35:22] are not negotiable. Most a lot of these
[35:25] are hard costs. So, it's not anything
[35:27] that we can change.
[35:28] >> We're in the fixed cost area right now.
[35:30] >> Yes, we're in the fixed. So, fire wages,
[35:34] those are fixed. you know, this is
[35:35] retirement.
[35:37] Um, you've got
[35:41] fire equipment supplies. This has all
[35:44] been approved. Fire training, fire
[35:47] discretionary fund is only $1,000 and
[35:49] that's usually for the fireman's
[35:50] appreciation dinner.
[35:52] >> Janet, in column H, what is the
[35:54] difference between yellow and blue and
[35:56] white for that matter?
[35:59] >> Um, he said something about that that
[36:03] J. Can you remember what he said
[36:05] >> in your I don't know. Can you open your
[36:06] email and tell me?
[36:08] >> I can do that.
[36:09] >> And and specifically our task tonight is
[36:13] to focus on column I. I mean you're It
[36:16] sounds like you're saying quit asking me
[36:18] about everything in column H. I only
[36:20] want you to look at column I.
[36:23] >> I just want to know what our role
[36:25] >> but No, I'm saying look how many pages
[36:27] we have to go through. I know. And then
[36:30] we have to go through all of this, too.
[36:32] That's all I'm saying.
[36:34] Um,
[36:37] so code enforcement officer, where are
[36:40] you good? Do you want me to go back up?
[36:43] Am I going too fast? You tell me.
[36:48] » So, inspection wages.
[36:51] Um, that's Chris Chris Tambasco. He does
[36:55] building inspections for us now. So,
[36:57] it's not a regular city employee. He is,
[36:59] you know, he's a contractor. He's he
[37:02] does inspections. So,
[37:03] >> is he employed by Sunrise or is he doing
[37:06] this as as his own consulting business?
[37:08] >> As his own consulting.
[37:09] >> Okay.
[37:10] >> Um, so FICA, all the things there.
[37:14] >> Anybody I trust.
[37:15] >> I know. Plan review. Um,
[37:19] that was the inspections. We talked
[37:21] about that. Subscriptions.
[37:23] >> Sorry. You said Chris is a contractor.
[37:26] >> Yeah.
[37:26] >> Timbascope.
[37:27] >> Yeah, he's a
[37:28] >> he's not currently building though,
[37:30] >> right? I'm trying to figure out.
[37:33] >> He does inspires.
[37:37] » He's not a He's not employed by the city
[37:40] as a contractor. He does He is a
[37:42] contractor. So, he knows how to do
[37:44] >> Oh, I see. But building inspections,
[37:46] >> we're paying We're not paying him as a
[37:47] city employee or are we?
[37:48] >> We pay him to do inspections and it he's
[37:51] by inspection per inspection. He doesn't
[37:53] get a flat fee or anything like that. He
[37:54] gets paid based on for doing
[37:57] >> as wages though or as subcontractor. Uh,
[38:00] I think he's a sub.
[38:02] >> That's what I'm getting. Sorry.
[38:04] >> But the note says Chris Tambasco wages
[38:06] and insurance.
[38:07] >> I think the insurance though is probably
[38:09] >> like like a liability insurance
[38:12] >> but it's listed on account 4190 which is
[38:15] inspection wages as opposed to outside
[38:18] professional services.
[38:20] >> Right.
[38:20] >> And it also says building FICA.
[38:22] >> Go in on Woodland Hills. Well, but
[38:24] funnily enough is there's no
[38:28] >> bike to get on the internet on Woodland
[38:30] Hill. It's WH.
[38:32] >> Oh, it got changed.
[38:34] >> Or is it Woodland Hills office?
[38:36] >> So,
[38:38] it says enter the network
[38:41] 2026.
[38:42] >> It may be that it's appropriate. It it
[38:45] he is in some information changed since
[38:47] the last time you connected.
[38:49] >> I know. I'm trying to pull it up. Hold
[38:50] on.
[38:50] >> And it used to be that we had
[38:52] >> because somebody hacked it. We used to
[38:54] have Corbett doing it and some of
[38:55] Corbett's wages were applied to
[38:59] >> but now it's all being paid to an
[39:01] outside entity and that's why there is
[39:02] no taxes, health insurance or retirement
[39:05] associated with
[39:07] >> I can't join either.
[39:09] >> But there's
[39:10] >> I can't join either.
[39:11] >> There's plan review sunrise inspections.
[39:15] >> I it won't join. It's spinning.
[39:17] >> But that's different than inspection
[39:19] wages. Then
[39:21] >> get on this.
[39:22] >> What?
[39:24] >> I'm on the office one here, but that's a
[39:26] secure one. I can't.
[39:28] >> Janet, do you know why there's both
[39:30] inspection wages and plan review of
[39:33] 17,000?
[39:34] >> The plan review is for the general plan.
[39:37] And we have
[39:40] um
[39:41] >> and I see the note this should be
[39:43] renamed as building inspection
[39:45] consultant.
[39:47] So, it it appears to me without anybody
[39:50] to explain it that we've got two
[39:51] different line items for the exact same
[39:53] thing.
[39:54] >> No, we've got Sunrise Engineering. They
[39:56] review building plans when people submit
[39:59] them for subdivisions and homes. Chris
[40:02] Tambasco goes out and physically
[40:04] inspects.
[40:05] >> Got it. Plan review versus
[40:08] >> construction site review.
[40:10] >> Yeah. Chris Tabasco goes out and make
[40:12] sure they're doing what's on the plans,
[40:14] that they're following those.
[40:16] Um, ordinance enforcement officer,
[40:19] that is Wayne.
[40:23] Um,
[40:24] >> he earns every penny
[40:27] dealing with
[40:28] >> some of the stuff. He just shakes looks
[40:30] at us and shakes his head and says, "I
[40:31] do not want to do that." I loved his
[40:34] article in the newsletter, not this
[40:36] month, but last month, when he said,
[40:38] "Quit whining about people using their
[40:40] air brakes and just be glad that they
[40:42] didn't crash into somebody on the way
[40:43] down."
[40:45] >> Oh, I know. And then we had a big crash
[40:47] down at the bottom of the hill the other
[40:48] day. The road was closed for a long
[40:50] time.
[40:50] >> Mhm.
[40:51] >> Uh and then somebody hit an elk
[40:53] yesterday and killed an elk. Made me
[40:55] really sad.
[40:56] >> Where was that?
[40:57] >> That's why I posted what I did. A ride
[40:59] at the roundabout. And so I suggested
[41:02] today, I drove down today and I it looks
[41:04] like uh kind of the road to the salt
[41:06] shed and because it's right through
[41:08] there, it looks like that may become a
[41:10] thorough fair for the elk to kind of go
[41:12] across and go into the fields. And so I
[41:15] said maybe we need one of I suggested to
[41:17] Ted today that we need an animal
[41:18] crossing sign there. And maybe not even
[41:20] so much for residents, but for all the
[41:22] con the construction workers and staff
[41:24] that are coming in and out of the city
[41:25] and people like that. Probably won't
[41:27] make any difference. There's animal
[41:29] crossings all the way up and down.
[41:31] >> I know. Every road.
[41:32] >> I I said maybe it needs to say at the
[41:34] bottom throughout the whole city or
[41:36] something.
[41:37] >> Um
[41:37] >> that's what I tell my family.
[41:40] >> Wildlife.
[41:41] >> Okay. Police services.
[41:42] >> You want me to read this to you? What he
[41:44] wanted us to focus on?
[41:46] >> The yellow.
[41:46] >> Mike, what I would love the finance
[41:48] committee to focus on would be the
[41:50] column in blue and the accompanying
[41:53] notes in blue on the first tab. And then
[41:58] a review of second tab. I've broken the
[42:01] budget.
[42:03] >> Help me see that again. Column I, the
[42:05] entire column is blue. So,
[42:07] >> yeah, but there's nothing in it.
[42:09] >> There is in some areas. But then what
[42:10] was the second thing? The column in blue
[42:12] and the accompanying notes in blue.
[42:15] >> Yeah.
[42:16] >> The accompanying notes out. He wants us
[42:17] to review those notes that are in there.
[42:19] >> Okay. And that's was the wages. That's
[42:21] what we did. But like see there on row
[42:25] 93 I think it is there's a number.
[42:29] >> Oh and there and then there is a note in
[42:32] blue for us to review.
[42:35] >> Yep.
[42:35] >> So while I appreciate that Janet you've
[42:37] been willing to the second tab over. Is
[42:40] that what he's saying or is that is that
[42:43] >> the request tab down here at the bottom?
[42:45] >> This the blue.
[42:45] >> Okay.
[42:46] >> Yeah. We'll do the variable in a minute.
[42:48] >> If you want to just ignore going through
[42:49] the whole budget with us and say our
[42:51] task is just to review. Yeah, that's
[42:53] fine with me.
[42:54] >> Column I where there's a number and then
[42:56] look at the appropriate note
[42:57] >> and yeah and this was the employee
[42:59] wages. We talked about that.
[43:00] >> We already talked about that.
[43:01] >> Okay.
[43:02] >> He said the first tab is basically the
[43:05] old budget which you are familiar with
[43:07] is mostly the fixed cost. I'm defining
[43:10] fixed cost for the sake of this exercise
[43:12] as the cost that we are already
[43:15] obligated to pay. The second tab is what
[43:18] I'm calling variable costs.
[43:20] >> Yep. We'll go through that. when he
[43:21] said, "Jenn, you know that one well."
[43:23] And I do know that one better. He
[43:24] actually didn't go over any of this with
[43:26] us
[43:26] >> because this was we already knew this
[43:28] part, right?
[43:29] >> So, it sounds like the council has is
[43:31] pretty pro the var the variable.
[43:34] >> We went through it a lot. It was a
[43:36] couple of hours. Okay. So, operating
[43:37] expense is the next blue section. Um,
[43:40] and it's just more
[43:41] >> You're in a different fund now, aren't
[43:43] you're enterprise fund?
[43:44] >> Mhm.
[43:45] >> Yes, I am.
[43:47] >> Okay. So, sorry.
[43:49] >> Okay. I'll get out of this.
[43:51] Thank you for doing that. That saves us
[43:53] some time.
[43:54] >> Yeah.
[43:55] >> Um,
[43:56] >> so on paper we are on
[43:59] >> there's a black solid line.
[44:00] >> That's the last page
[44:02] back side.
[44:04] >> Oh yeah, just right there cuz I scrolled
[44:06] down to the next blue section. So this
[44:09] is the the rest of the wages.
[44:12] Remember how 50% of Lorie's was in the
[44:15] other one.
[44:16] >> So here's the other 50%.
[44:18] >> And the same with copy doesn't match
[44:21] what's on the screen.
[44:23] >> Looking first.
[44:24] >> I think this is the most updated cuz he
[44:26] went and added
[44:27] >> I know. I'm just saying Mike don't
[44:29] bother looking there because you're
[44:30] >> Well, some of it didn't print.
[44:32] >> Mine matches.
[44:34] >> I don't have
[44:34] >> What number are we on?
[44:36] >> What? Well, they're not numbered. The
[44:37] pictures aren't numbered. But
[44:38] >> No, I meant
[44:39] >> 6110.
[44:40] >> It's It's actually right here.
[44:43] Look at me.
[44:44] >> But the notes on there and the blue
[44:47] boxes. Yeah, those don't print out
[44:49] >> the notes cut off.
[44:50] >> I'm just trying to track the numbers at
[44:51] this point
[44:52] >> right here. Operating expense.
[44:55] >> Okay, thank you.
[44:56] >> 6110.
[44:58] >> So, this is where the other 50% of Ted's
[45:02] wage comes from and the other 50%.
[45:04] >> So, help us understand where it's
[45:06] showing 30, 40, 20. Is that in prior
[45:08] years? That's what percent was being
[45:11] allocated to those funds?
[45:14] >> Yes.
[45:16] They're trying to simplify it. Do you
[45:18] remember how before everyone said they
[45:20] felt like wages were kind of a shell
[45:22] game and nobody could figure out what
[45:24] people were paid?
[45:25] >> It was being split amongst so many
[45:27] different buckets. Now it's basically
[45:29] either 100% one or 50/50. But that's
[45:33] >> they're trying to simplify it.
[45:35] >> Okay.
[45:36] >> Make it more transparent. They want to
[45:38] be more transparent.
[45:40] >> He's at 156,000 right now.
[45:44] >> Ted.
[45:45] >> Yeah. And he wears a lot of hats. Some
[45:46] of that is for fire, but most of it is
[45:48] for
[45:50] the city.
[45:52] Um, and then
[45:56] other expenses,
[45:58] leaving us in blue, it's just the FICA
[46:00] again.
[46:02] >> Yeah. But to me, like all he really
[46:03] wanted to look at was the wage increases
[46:06] >> so far.
[46:08] Um, yep.
[46:11] >> That's everything that he want. It's in
[46:13] that blue column.
[46:14] >> It's all just the blue. Okay. So, we'll
[46:16] go to the variables. So, this is where
[46:18] it gets fun.
[46:19] >> So, so I don't know if we if we need to
[46:22] give him uh some kind of feedback, but I
[46:26] don't have any issue with those wage
[46:27] increases on any of the either the
[46:30] council wages. Now, we Erin's point
[46:32] about possibly converting the wages to
[46:35] reimbured expenses.
[46:36] >> I wrote that down
[46:37] >> as a merit.
[46:38] >> Mhm.
[46:38] >> But on on the increases for the other
[46:41] people, I don't have any issue with that
[46:42] at all.
[46:44] >> And I wrote all that down. So, I'll
[46:45] report that back to him.
[46:46] >> I just eventually want to do a salary
[46:48] study.
[46:49] >> Yeah. The formula for salary increases
[46:52] could be improved over the current
[46:54] format.
[46:55] >> Okay.
[46:56] >> I just want to make sure that we're
[46:57] paying our people what other
[47:00] institutions are paying them and and
[47:05] >> you should know that the other cities
[47:06] call and try to hire a blaze away.
[47:09] >> Yeah.
[47:10] >> All the time. In fact, uh, Elkridge also
[47:13] does not have a finance director at the
[47:14] moment. So,
[47:16] >> Chris doing them too.
[47:17] >> No, but they also, uh, lost theirs and
[47:20] so they they said if you find one, let
[47:22] us know because if it's somebody that's
[47:25] just doing for three or four cities,
[47:27] maybe they would have the capacity
[47:28] >> time.
[47:29] >> Mhm.
[47:31] >> So, was Chris's termination voluntary on
[47:35] his part or involuntary?
[47:38] Uh because that's an employee. It's I
[47:40] can't say.
[47:41] >> Okay.
[47:44] » And I think this is that other tab,
[47:46] right?
[47:47] >> Yep.
[47:48] So this is the other tab. So again,
[47:51] this we went through and we So initially
[47:55] these were all
[47:58] uh the amounts. He did it so that it had
[48:00] an amount at the top and then we went
[48:02] through and approved things. Approved.
[48:04] I'm going to do the the mayor's and then
[48:07] we're going to skip the purple Jodie
[48:08] because there's a lot in there and I'll
[48:10] come back to that. But we'll start with
[48:12] the mayor um council travel. There's uh
[48:17] like Carrie is the representative for
[48:19] the ULC, whatever it is, UCL, whatever
[48:22] it is,
[48:23] >> Utah League of Cities and Towns. I have
[48:25] to say it that way. I can't remember the
[48:26] anacronym, but um there's there's um
[48:30] there's another one that she goes to and
[48:32] she pays all of her own travel expenses.
[48:34] Um and then there's one that Jod has to
[48:37] go to for the city recorder. It's a
[48:38] training um and that hasn't always been
[48:41] covered. And so he's he wanted to
[48:43] increase it just a little bit to help
[48:45] cover their expenses that they're
[48:47] already paying.
[48:48] >> I think that's fine.
[48:49] >> Is that So is that$7,000 the total or is
[48:51] that
[48:52] >> That's the total.
[48:53] >> Okay. And this is just this year's
[48:55] budget, but it doesn't tell us how much
[48:57] was in prior years.
[48:59] >> No, this is the wish list. This is with
[49:01] what was left over in the budget. The
[49:02] wish list. So then a thousand for mayor.
[49:06] >> But before we dive into the details,
[49:07] help us understand
[49:09] we we built all the revenues and we
[49:12] built all of the fixed costs and said
[49:14] this is how much is left in fixed costs
[49:17] and this is where we've spread our
[49:20] variable expenses. This is every year
[49:22] the the all the employees present to the
[49:25] council what they want and what they
[49:28] need,
[49:28] >> right?
[49:28] >> And that's what these are.
[49:30] >> We used to divide that up in the in the
[49:33] committee and each of us take a section
[49:36] of that.
[49:36] >> Yep.
[49:38] And so that's what this is.
[49:39] >> I worked with Corbett on his budgeting
[49:42] every every year for several months. So,
[49:45] this is uh and the mayor expenses and
[49:49] like the council discretionary, just so
[49:51] you know, like when people are no longer
[49:53] on council or if they've served on a
[49:55] committee for a long time and they quit,
[49:56] we give them a plaque and we you know
[49:58] what I mean? Uh Doral got a flag, you
[50:01] know? So, these $500, that's what these
[50:06] small things go for.
[50:07] >> I think that's great.
[50:08] >> Okay, so then I'm gonna skip Jod for a
[50:11] minute. Uh Wayne, for the planning
[50:15] commission, they have $1,000
[50:17] uh that they can use. I'm not sure what
[50:19] they use it for. Maybe they have a
[50:22] dinner once a year or you know what I
[50:24] mean? Something. I don't even know. But
[50:26] that's what they're that's what's in
[50:27] their budget. Um for the building,
[50:31] there's tools, books, dues, and
[50:33] subscriptions. Um you can see county
[50:36] recorder fees. Adobe. They have to pay
[50:38] for Adobe.
[50:39] >> Yeah. So that's the 1500.
[50:43] Obviously we approved all of those
[50:46] first.
[50:47] Um we went to fire and if you look on
[50:51] the far right there's a one two three.
[50:54] So Ted prioritized those on which what
[50:56] was the most important to him. Um they
[50:59] were supposed to kind of do like a one
[51:00] two three one two three but he kind he
[51:02] did one through nine there. But um
[51:05] anyway, so replace outdated structural
[51:08] PPE and he's just doing three sets.
[51:12] They're not doing all of them. They just
[51:14] every year they try to do two or three.
[51:16] And Mike would know this well, but they
[51:18] try to do a few every year and rotate
[51:20] them so that hopefully they're not all
[51:23] 10 years old or 20 years old or I guess
[51:25] it however long it is at the same time.
[51:28] It surprises me that uniform gear takes
[51:30] priority over these other things which
[51:34] in my thought seem to be more
[51:37] >> no
[51:38] >> protective equipment.
[51:39] >> No, the uniform gear, the fire the pants
[51:42] they wear off the fire.
[51:44] >> This says shirts, hats, and gloves.
[51:46] >> Yeah, they're fire retardant shirts and
[51:48] fire retardant gloves and they their
[51:50] helmets wear out and don't look good
[51:52] anymore after so many years. This is not
[51:54] the stuff we see them wearing around
[51:56] t-shirts and jackets.
[51:58] >> No, this is firefighting gear.
[52:00] >> Okay.
[52:00] >> Yep.
[52:02] >> These are their shirts and their like
[52:04] Rachel I I remember I this really struck
[52:07] me. It was when I was brand new, but at
[52:08] one of the fireman appreciation dinners,
[52:10] Rachel Skinner got up and said that her
[52:13] helmet was 12 years old and it was long
[52:16] beyond expired and probably not safe for
[52:18] her to be wearing. She probably
[52:19] shouldn't go into a fire.
[52:21] >> What they use a thermal camera for? Mike
[52:24] >> determining if there's hot spots after
[52:26] burn truck
[52:27] >> after a burn. You just walk around with
[52:29] it and see if there's still something
[52:30] burning underneath the brush or
[52:31] underneath a rock or
[52:32] >> hot spots.
[52:33] >> Yep.
[52:34] >> So, we we approved everything in here.
[52:36] There wasn't anything that Ted asked for
[52:39] that we didn't approve, but I'm going to
[52:40] tell you that he didn't ask for anything
[52:42] extravagant.
[52:43] >> No, he didn't.
[52:44] >> Um, like I say, only three sets of uh
[52:47] PPE, you know, so he he didn't he didn't
[52:50] go anything crazy. So, um, yeah,
[52:56] you can just I'm just kind of scrolling
[52:57] if you have a question on something.
[52:59] >> Still paying for catering, gifts, etc.
[53:02] This year, they did see where Okay.
[53:06] >> Yeah. Firefighter appreciation. And, you
[53:08] know, they used to have it somewhere
[53:09] else, but to save money, they now have
[53:11] it at the city center. Um, they used to
[53:15] where they would go, they'd have to pay
[53:16] for the meal, and it was a little bit
[53:17] more expensive. And now we have an old a
[53:20] restaurant that's out in it's out in
[53:22] tinik Eureka um that they do some
[53:24] catering so they do it. So it's a little
[53:27] bit cheaper.
[53:30] I've had two of my kids call me now. Um
[53:33] and then
[53:34] >> I was going to say, isn't one of them on
[53:36] a mission? Oh, wait. No, those are your
[53:37] older kids.
[53:38] >> Yeah. Yeah, I've got I've got lots of
[53:40] other kids. Um fire equipment repairs,
[53:43] maintenance. It says this is for
[53:45] emergency vehicle repairs and they have
[53:48] a lot of Well, it's crazy.
[53:50] >> I thought we got leases to eliminate the
[53:52] repairs.
[53:52] >> We did, but we still have a couple of
[53:54] old trucks that we own.
[53:56] >> Okay.
[53:56] >> Um and
[54:00] so like the old wire the wildland truck,
[54:03] the fire the wildland crew truck, we own
[54:05] that one. It's not on a lease.
[54:08] >> And then fuel reduction.
[54:12] Um,
[54:13] just PPE for new wildland firefighters,
[54:16] hand tools, new hose.
[54:19] Again, there was nothing.
[54:22] Now, this the the
[54:24] uh this all is paid for. This is
[54:27] covered. Remember how I we had the 150
[54:30] income?
[54:31] This is all covered.
[54:33] So the travel, the lodging when they
[54:36] drive to a fire, they they have to pay
[54:39] for a hotel room, you know, on along the
[54:41] way. So that stuff is covered. They they
[54:45] earn it back. Um and then EMS, we also
[54:49] approved all of that. The yellow is the
[54:52] ambulance.
[54:54] Um and that the money that we saw in the
[54:57] budget where they were selling the
[54:58] truck, they won't spend that much. They
[55:01] said it'll be closer to 100, but
[55:04] >> So why are we putting 150 if it won't
[55:06] cost 100? They can get an ambulance for
[55:07] 100,000.
[55:09] >> Because we we approved up to because
[55:13] they go on an auction and they go fast.
[55:17] >> It's a used one.
[55:18] >> Yeah.
[55:18] >> Uh-huh. It's a used one up on auction
[55:20] and they go fast. And so we approved an
[55:22] up to amount, but Ted and I mean Ted has
[55:26] come under budget on everything that
[55:28] he's asked for so far. And he assured us
[55:30] that it will not be that much. But we if we only approved a hundred and there
[55:36] was a great one for 110 and he they had
[55:39] to come back and get approval, we would
[55:41] lose that ambulance. It would be gone.
[55:43] >> That makes sense.
[55:46] >> So Yep. Um, and then roads and public
[55:50] improvement.
[55:52] So the the 1 million4
[55:55] that's based on getting the bond. So
[55:58] that's not coming out of
[55:59] >> Okay. So then what's that $690,000
[56:02] expense if it's not retirement of a
[56:04] bond?
[56:07] >> That's based on us getting the bond and
[56:10] spending the money. I don't know what I can call Ben, I guess, and ask him.
[56:17] Um,
[56:19] but if we don't like if we didn't
[56:21] approve this, we'd have to take the
[56:22] million for income out that we had in
[56:24] this category. And we we spoke with the
[56:28] banker and this was while Chris was
[56:30] still here. We are pre-approved for
[56:33] that. We had we're not spending that
[56:35] money yet. Again, this isn't even
[56:36] approved yet. This is just uh the
[56:39] council said yes, you know, if we get
[56:42] the bond and the bond goes through, then
[56:43] yes, we can spend that money. Is there
[56:46] interest to test to a bond?
[56:49] >> Absolutely.
[56:50] >> Figured. Do we know what that interest
[56:51] rate will be?
[56:53] >> Six.
[56:54] >> Our first interest rate was very
[56:57] >> There was one that was zero. There was
[56:59] one that was 2.5.
[57:03] >> I think the one we did on water was
[57:05] zero. The one on water was zero because
[57:09] that was some kind of government
[57:10] >> and we got like u
[57:14] 200,000 or 300,000
[57:17] forgiveness.
[57:20] >> Yeah.
[57:20] >> So it was some government program.
[57:22] >> Yeah.
[57:24] So this will
[57:25] >> the interest on that when we last fall
[57:27] we looked at um
[57:29] >> whether it was better to get a bond and
[57:32] pay the interest or incur the
[57:35] everinccreasing cost
[57:37] >> would be as false
[57:39] >> the the inflation on road construction
[57:41] because the average increase was I can't
[57:44] remember now it's like 12% or 13%.
[57:48] >> Yeah. Okay.
[57:50] >> I'm calling Ben. I'll ask him your
[57:52] question. Okay. Okay. So, the red, we
[57:54] don't know what this is for, so we're
[57:56] probably deleting that out. So, that's
[57:58] why it's a red, so that probably won't
[57:59] be there. Hi. Um, we have a question.
[58:04] Aaron is beating me up pretty good over
[58:06] here. I like it. He's putting me to the
[58:08] test, and I don't I know. So, he has a
[58:11] question for you. I'm just going to let
[58:12] him ask you.
[58:13] >> Is this Ted? Ben.
[58:15] >> Ben.
[58:15] >> Okay. So, Ben, when we were up in the uh
[58:18] expenses, we saw $690,000
[58:22] for a road.
[58:23] >> Well, for the bond
[58:27] find it now
[58:27] >> in revenue.
[58:31] » I know. I'm looking for it, too.
[58:34] >> It was something we weren't supposed to
[58:41] be looking at, but we were kind of
[58:42] looking at all of it. It's line 4141.
[58:46] >> Oh, good. I thank you.
[58:49] >> Yeah, there it is.
[58:50] >> Six digits.
[58:51] >> 4141.
[58:55] » I'm actually in my garden right now.
[58:57] >> I hear birds chirping.
[59:00] >> Where?
[59:03] >> In Woodland Hills. Always birds
[59:05] chirping, right?
[59:06] >> Yeah.
[59:07] >> Where you see
[59:09] it?
[59:11] >> 690.
[59:13] That's the one you're asking about,
[59:14] right?
[59:16] >> Ben, it's a it's labeled principal sales
[59:20] tax revenue refunding bond
[59:24] and it's 690,000.
[59:26] No, the pages
[59:28] >> and that's in the budget changes column
[59:31] for
[59:31] >> is different than yours
[59:33] >> March 2026.
[59:36] >> So it's not revenues.
[59:38] No.
[59:40] >> Yeah. The tax revenue refunding bond.
[59:43] >> We were thinking that we were getting a
[59:45] new bond and that was retirement of the
[59:47] old bonds.
[59:48] >> But then when we got down to the
[59:51] variable requests, the full 1 million4
[59:54] is shown being expended on the roads.
[59:56] >> Okay. I'm still not seeing it like
[59:58] >> so it confused us.
[1:00:00] >> Don't see anything about road.
[1:00:01] >> Let me pull it up if I can. I don't know
[1:00:05] if there's a note for the blue or the
[1:00:07] white.
[1:00:07] >> Or you could walk over. Sorry. You're in
[1:00:09] the garden.
[1:00:12] >> That's okay. I uh
[1:00:14] >> see that close.
[1:00:15] >> Get to the garden.
[1:00:16] >> Where are you now?
[1:00:18] >> Right here.
[1:00:19] >> He's across the street.
[1:00:20] >> Couple hundred yards up the road.
[1:00:22] >> Yeah. So, I'm literally just just right
[1:00:25] here.
[1:00:26] Okay. Uh give me um give me five
[1:00:29] minutes. I'll be right there.
[1:00:30] >> Okay. Thank you. Bye. We'll keep going.
[1:00:35] All right. So then um snowplow, we went
[1:00:38] through snowplow
[1:00:41] and um we approved everything there. We
[1:00:45] the salt is variable. So that's why that
[1:00:48] one's yellow. We just don't know. But we
[1:00:50] have to have salt. It's not really I
[1:00:53] kind of some of these things I question
[1:00:55] why they're in there. Like salt
[1:00:57] shouldn't but it's not a fixed cost. I
[1:00:59] think that's why it's in the variable,
[1:01:00] right? Because it changes every year.
[1:01:02] >> Maybe 10,000 have another year like this
[1:01:04] year where we did
[1:01:06] >> I hope not.
[1:01:06] >> Yeah, I hope not, too.
[1:01:08] >> So, they've got blade replacements for
[1:01:10] 6,000.
[1:01:11] >> It's not the actual blade. It's the
[1:01:12] rubber edge. There's a rubber edge that
[1:01:15] we they wear out and they have to
[1:01:16] replace I can't remember what they call
[1:01:18] it. I learned a lot of things that I
[1:01:19] never thought I would know about, but
[1:01:20] anyway, they have to replace those all
[1:01:22] the time. Um, and then
[1:01:26] >> you know that thing that goes around the
[1:01:27] fire sprinklers is called Nutchum.
[1:01:29] >> Learn that.
[1:01:30] >> Oh, I did not know that.
[1:01:33] U mis truck misque truck parts. Um
[1:01:38] >> miscellaneous.
[1:01:39] >> Yeah, that's just like
[1:01:42] >> the lights they put on them and
[1:01:43] different things. Um and then fuel and
[1:01:47] then repairs and maintenance, snow
[1:01:49] plowing. It's it's not anything to do
[1:01:51] with the actual truck, the lease part.
[1:01:53] It's just the parts cuz we have parts on
[1:01:56] them. You know, we have the plows and
[1:01:58] some of them have the dumpers on them.
[1:02:03] Did you see where that was or do you
[1:02:05] want me to show you?
[1:02:06] >> Just remind me again.
[1:02:10] >> 690
[1:02:13] >> 4141
[1:02:15] >> 700.
[1:02:19] » Sorry, you ran. You're huffing.
[1:02:21] >> Oh, I do that anyway.
[1:02:23] >> You want me to point it?
[1:02:25] >> Yeah. So, we've spent
[1:02:27] Oh, we're budgeting.
[1:02:29] >> What's this guy? Yeah. So that's
[1:02:33] this past budget.
[1:02:36] So we're budgeting 92,000
[1:02:39] for 2027.
[1:02:40] >> But why would we have $700,000 one year
[1:02:43] and 90,000 the next year?
[1:02:45] >> And 90 there and 87 and 84 there.
[1:02:48] >> Principal sales tax.
[1:02:51] >> This is my issue with some of these
[1:02:52] names
[1:02:54] >> is they're useless.
[1:02:56] principal, sales, tax, revenue, funding,
[1:02:58] bond is 41417.
[1:03:02] >> Aaron's got an eagle eye, so he doesn't
[1:03:03] know what that's for.
[1:03:06] >> I need one more piece of information.
[1:03:08] >> Okay.
[1:03:10] got it.
[1:03:11] >> All right. So then, um,
[1:03:15] just at the bottom, parks, PTR has a
[1:03:18] budget of,500. They try to use it for
[1:03:20] beautifification, stuff like that. City
[1:03:23] Celebrations, that's for Woodland Hills
[1:03:25] Days and all the things. Um, and then
[1:03:29] parks repairs, maintenance, that's for
[1:03:30] sprinkler repairs and trail replacement.
[1:03:33] And what the trail replacement is is um
[1:03:36] the asphalt. There's several places that
[1:03:38] crumble and fall apart. And we need to
[1:03:40] keep that good so that especially some
[1:03:42] of our senior citizens and people like
[1:03:44] that have access. We don't want people
[1:03:46] falling.
[1:03:47] >> When you say the trail, you're talking
[1:03:48] about the asphalt trail that goes
[1:03:50] through the park.
[1:03:51] >> Yep. and around and connects to the
[1:03:53] pavilion and stuff like that. So they in
[1:03:55] sections um as sections break up,
[1:03:58] they'll go and just repair those
[1:04:00] sections. So that's what that is for.
[1:04:03] >> And that parks would would the trail up
[1:04:06] the switchback trail, would that be
[1:04:08] included in this budget?
[1:04:09] >> In the PTR budget, the 1500 PTR budget
[1:04:13] >> is it paid?
[1:04:14] >> No.
[1:04:15] I don't think so.
[1:04:16] >> But there's water bars up there. Um, and
[1:04:19] in the past there they've done some
[1:04:21] signage. Uh, one year when Ben and I
[1:04:24] were both serving on the PTR, we put
[1:04:26] ballards in so that uh, sideby sides
[1:04:30] that weren't wider than is it 50 in,
[1:04:32] Ben?
[1:04:33] >> 50 in.
[1:04:34] If they're wider than 50 in, they
[1:04:36] can't go on the trail cuz it's not safe.
[1:04:38] We actually when we were up there
[1:04:40] working um we each had four-wheelers
[1:04:43] with trailers on them and I was coming
[1:04:45] down and Ben was going up and we could
[1:04:46] barely just a standard four-wheeler. It
[1:04:49] was it was pretty scary and Ben was on
[1:04:50] the outside edge so it was pretty scary.
[1:04:54] Um
[1:04:54] >> I encountered a Ford truck driving the
[1:04:57] switchbacks one time when I was hiking
[1:04:59] it. I couldn't believe it.
[1:05:01] >> Yeah, we had a Honda Pilot once take
[1:05:03] them take its way all the way to the
[1:05:05] top. It
[1:05:05] >> was crazy. So that's what the that's
[1:05:07] what the PTRs goes goes to. So all good
[1:05:12] things that need to be done.
[1:05:14] >> And the red ones you guys have decided
[1:05:16] you're not going to fund those
[1:05:17] >> or we don't Yeah, the chipper um the
[1:05:21] that one.
[1:05:24] Uh Ted's going to apply for a grant
[1:05:27] maybe to get our our own chipper in the
[1:05:29] city and then we could do it more often
[1:05:31] or we could have our fuel reduction
[1:05:33] crew, our wildland firefighters, they
[1:05:35] could do it for people for a cost, you
[1:05:37] know, like they do now with cutting the
[1:05:39] trees and stuff. So that one's red
[1:05:41] because it only it if
[1:05:43] >> on the grant.
[1:05:44] >> If we don't get the grant, then we won't
[1:05:45] do it.
[1:05:46] >> Yeah.
[1:05:46] >> Okay. So then we'll go back to Jod's.
[1:05:48] And this is how we did it as a council,
[1:05:49] too. We kind of skipped the purple
[1:05:51] because we were like, "Oh."
[1:05:53] Um,
[1:05:56] so these are the things that are
[1:05:58] approved. Uh, again, admin, travel,
[1:06:01] conferences,
[1:06:03] book subscriptions, and these are
[1:06:05] different ones, but
[1:06:07] Cura, these are just some of the
[1:06:09] different ones that she has to pay for.
[1:06:12] Um, printer, lease, and computer
[1:06:14] supplies. One of the things a lot of the
[1:06:16] computers and things at the city the
[1:06:19] equipment's really old and so just like
[1:06:22] they're doing with trucks and things
[1:06:23] they want to rotate out
[1:06:26] um you know a couple maybe a couple of
[1:06:28] computers every year um so that they're
[1:06:31] so they'll be only be maybe four or five
[1:06:33] years old instead of 10 or 12 years old.
[1:06:35] They want to just rotate those things.
[1:06:37] >> The new part there, sorry to butt in
[1:06:39] here.
[1:06:40] >> Do it. Um, when we changed over to our
[1:06:43] new IT service provider, he built into
[1:06:47] the savings from our previous IT this
[1:06:50] line item. So, the replacement of two
[1:06:54] computers a year is in the savings plus
[1:06:57] a little bit more with our new IT
[1:07:00] individual.
[1:07:01] >> Our old company that we had before was
[1:07:03] substantially more. So, we're saving a
[1:07:06] lot of money um with the current person
[1:07:10] and that's what we try to do when we
[1:07:11] make these changes is try to make it uh
[1:07:14] more affordable. And then um
[1:07:18] repairs, maintenance to city facilities
[1:07:21] and um I can't remember what exactly cuz
[1:07:25] I was looking. Okay. Oh, it's separate.
[1:07:28] So, that's just various repairs. There's
[1:07:30] a lot of things outside that need to be
[1:07:32] done. There's some windows that leak,
[1:07:33] some flashing that has issues. Um, and
[1:07:37] so they're looking to get those
[1:07:39] repaired.
[1:07:40] >> I would just go back to what we
[1:07:41] discussed earlier about anything over
[1:07:43] 10,000 be broken out a little bit more
[1:07:45] if we can do that.
[1:07:49] » Yeah.
[1:07:51] Polaris and Nebo Interactive, those are
[1:07:54] just
[1:07:54] >> Is that a subscription that you have to
[1:07:56] pay?
[1:07:57] >> Yes. Yeah, it seems pricey for
[1:07:59] >> But Polus is the finance. So that's
[1:08:02] actually two. So this wouldn't be a bad
[1:08:03] idea, Michael, for me to break it out.
[1:08:06] So Polaris is uh the IT system or the
[1:08:11] accounting system. Um and then Neibo
[1:08:15] Interactive is the new IT company. So
[1:08:17] they're around a thousand. Well, they
[1:08:19] they're a thousand. So 12,000 of that is
[1:08:22] >> is the IT system.
[1:08:25] >> IT support. 4,000 for the accounting
[1:08:27] system.
[1:08:28] And he's been here like at city council
[1:08:31] meetings and stuff tweaking things and
[1:08:33] making sure
[1:08:34] >> he lives across the street from Michael
[1:08:35] >> and so he's been here. Yeah, he's great.
[1:08:38] >> Blinds
[1:08:40] >> uh during COVID when uh my husband had
[1:08:42] to be from home from, you know, home
[1:08:45] teaching and uploading and the boys.
[1:08:47] Anyway, he came and got our house set up
[1:08:50] and did a phenomenal job and saved my
[1:08:52] marriage. Um,
[1:08:56] uh, rekey 4,000 you ever spent, huh?
[1:08:58] >> Uhhuh.
[1:09:00] >> Rekey the building and additional door
[1:09:02] locks. Um, there's just it's time to re
[1:09:05] key the building. It's been a long time.
[1:09:07] We don't know who has what keys. There's
[1:09:09] been a lot of change and so, um, I just
[1:09:13] thought that would be a good time. Good
[1:09:14] time. And then the repainting of the
[1:09:17] city. And if you look the flooring, they
[1:09:21] actually asked for more, but we we cut
[1:09:24] it down substantially. So, we approved
[1:09:26] these, but a lesser amount. So, we kind
[1:09:28] of saved these. The
[1:09:29] >> carpet looks good.
[1:09:30] >> Yeah. I just
[1:09:32] >> It's just It's just where the employees
[1:09:34] That section
[1:09:37] >> Yeah. It's fraying on some of the
[1:09:39] doorways and stuff.
[1:09:41] >> So, that's why we said sections. And so
[1:09:43] they think um that they can, you know,
[1:09:45] there's a door that locks that you can't
[1:09:46] get to where the offices are.
[1:09:49] We could get that section carpeted to
[1:09:51] that door and then maybe the next year
[1:09:54] as another section needs it.
[1:09:56] >> So the whole 25,000 isn't approved.
[1:10:00] >> No, it it is. Okay.
[1:10:02] >> But it's only doing
[1:10:03] >> 50.
[1:10:04] >> Not all will come.
[1:10:04] >> It was 50. So we we approved and that's
[1:10:06] up to they probably won't spend all of
[1:10:09] that. Um,
[1:10:12] and then
[1:10:14] the digitizing city records. That was
[1:10:17] something half and half it looks like.
[1:10:19] Front entry mat $500. So if you go to
[1:10:22] the front door, the mat the letters are
[1:10:24] peeling out and it's got duct tape on
[1:10:26] it. It looks really classy.
[1:10:31] We said we wanted that. Um, we did not
[1:10:34] approve, that's why it's in red, the
[1:10:37] failing retaining wall at the city
[1:10:39] center. sit back.
[1:10:45] » We've had two geotechs that have come
[1:10:46] out and looked at it. One's giving us a
[1:10:48] written formal opinion. The other just
[1:10:50] said, "Nah, you still got another five,
[1:10:52] six years at least." So,
[1:10:55] >> we had one person that said it was
[1:10:56] failing. And so, now some people are
[1:10:58] like, "Oh, the wall is going to fall
[1:11:01] down." But, um, but we've had two people
[1:11:04] look at it. So, and then the fridge in
[1:11:08] the kitchen. Replace the fridge in the
[1:11:11] kitchen.
[1:11:12] >> You can is a small fridge.
[1:11:15] >> It's a small fridge.
[1:11:16] >> Say,
[1:11:16] >> it must be for
[1:11:19] >> But it does. It just keeps things
[1:11:20] lukewarm at this point. So, or freezes
[1:11:23] them.
[1:11:23] >> It freezes.
[1:11:24] their lunches. So,
[1:11:25] >> we are We'll probably go to KSL for
[1:11:28] that.
[1:11:28] >> Yeah. They'll get a used one.
[1:11:32] >> Um HVAC repairs.
[1:11:35] So Jody was telling us that uh the AC
[1:11:38] units she has to go outside and fiddle
[1:11:40] with them. Sometimes they they won't
[1:11:42] like it doesn't turn on. So she has to
[1:11:43] go out
[1:11:45] >> if she doesn't get electrocuted.
[1:11:48] >> So um
[1:11:49] >> you rip the fuse out. So
[1:11:51] >> yeah. And then uh we did not approve an
[1:11:55] audio system for in the big room when we
[1:11:58] have meetings. I mean it was a wish
[1:11:59] list, right? This was a wish list and we
[1:12:01] just said no, we're not going to do that
[1:12:02] this time. But um we actually when we've
[1:12:07] had when we have a truth and taxation
[1:12:09] meeting or something in there, we have
[1:12:11] microphones held together with duct tape
[1:12:12] and we borrow some of Ben's personal
[1:12:14] equipment. He brings his personal
[1:12:16] equipment in that we borrow to be able
[1:12:18] to
[1:12:19] >> But even if we had to rent a proper
[1:12:22] system for once or twice a year,
[1:12:25] >> it wouldn't be that expensive. Yeah,
[1:12:27] it's not worth spending. That's why it's
[1:12:29] >> in full disclosure
[1:12:32] and also stores it here. So we just fair
[1:12:36] trade.
[1:12:40] » Okay, that makes it fair.
[1:12:43] >> I'm getting the better end of the deal.
[1:12:44] I'll be honest.
[1:12:46] So the meeting room audio system in here
[1:12:50] um
[1:12:51] you know for Zoom Zoom to Teams that was
[1:12:55] it was requested that it get switched
[1:12:57] from Zoom to Teams
[1:13:01] and that's just the cost to to change
[1:13:03] it.
[1:13:04] >> Yeah.
[1:13:05] >> And the Zoom cost is about $1,000 a year
[1:13:09] and that would be so Teams is included
[1:13:11] in our Microsoft 365 account. So, we're
[1:13:15] spending an additional thousand dollar a
[1:13:16] year for Zoom. So,
[1:13:20] the end of our license, we'll just flip
[1:13:24] to Zoom for an extra 148 and then it
[1:13:26] won't be an ongoing cost.
[1:13:28] >> Flipping to Zoom or you
[1:13:32] >> Yeah, to
[1:13:34] um this one is for bulletproof glass. We
[1:13:37] didn't I don't think we approved all of
[1:13:38] it. Uh we decided to do part of it. Um,
[1:13:42] all the cities are going to this now,
[1:13:44] unfortunately. So, what we decided would
[1:13:47] be the most important is you've got
[1:13:49] Jodie whose windows right there on the
[1:13:51] front. So, anybody that's uh level with
[1:13:54] the parking lot that those windows be
[1:13:57] replaced with some bulletproof glass.
[1:13:59] So, the mayor, you can still take a pot
[1:14:01] shot at the mayor if you think you're a
[1:14:03] good shot from down below cuz he's on
[1:14:04] this side.
[1:14:06] >> Lights on. I mean, heaven forbid. Is he
[1:14:09] replacing the windows or putting on I
[1:14:11] know he sells us a film.
[1:14:13] >> So, we'll probably do a film. Sorry, I
[1:14:16] didn't mean to.
[1:14:17] >> You're good.
[1:14:18] >> Trying to stay so you guys have more
[1:14:19] time.
[1:14:20] >> You know more than I do. So,
[1:14:23] >> I was just curious.
[1:14:25] >> It's not that big a deal.
[1:14:28] >> Okay, perfect.
[1:14:30] >> Yeah, we don't actually that if people
[1:14:33] can listen to this later and
[1:14:35] >> for security purposes. Um and then um
[1:14:38] >> this was already discussed in council
[1:14:40] meeting.
[1:14:40] >> Yes. But carefully
[1:14:42] and then a cabinet shelf for the audio
[1:14:44] equipment in the closet over there. The
[1:14:46] audio equipment is sitting on a piano
[1:14:47] bench.
[1:14:49] So they want to get a rack
[1:14:51] >> and we're thinking you may be selling
[1:14:53] the piano
[1:14:54] and we think we probably need to sell it
[1:14:56] with the bench.
[1:14:57] >> Yeah,
[1:14:58] >> probably. Why do we have a piano here?
[1:15:00] >> Uh Milin, so a lot of like all these
[1:15:03] chairs, you know how they look like
[1:15:04] Relief Society chairs? That's because
[1:15:06] So when they were decommissioning a
[1:15:08] church, Milin,
[1:15:09] >> he just bought the lot.
[1:15:11] >> He brought them and they were donated to
[1:15:13] the city. So
[1:15:14] >> donated them to the city.
[1:15:15] >> All of our chairs, all of our racking,
[1:15:18] um the piano,
[1:15:20] they're all former.
[1:15:21] >> So he needed the bench to put stuff on
[1:15:24] and he got the piano cuz he had to take
[1:15:26] it with the bench.
[1:15:26] >> Yes, pretty much.
[1:15:30] >> The bench was always in the way, so we
[1:15:32] stole it to put the stuff on. So, yeah.
[1:15:36] >> Well, I would imagine you could put that
[1:15:38] on surplus and get a a buyer that'd be
[1:15:41] happy to take it. Even a a resident be
[1:15:43] happy to get
[1:15:44] >> We're going to throw it up on the
[1:15:45] Facebook page first to a resident. So,
[1:15:48] we're looking to sell the piano right
[1:15:50] now for like 500 bucks.
[1:15:51] >> Great.
[1:15:52] >> And so, it's actually a line item.
[1:15:54] >> Can you do you have do you have to go
[1:15:56] through the public surplus sites as
[1:15:59] opposed to just on Facebook Marketplace
[1:16:01] >> or anything over 500? Yes.
[1:16:05] >> Okay.
[1:16:06] >> That might be where I got the number.
[1:16:09] >> That's probably where you got the
[1:16:10] number.
[1:16:11] >> You got the number. Um and then the
[1:16:15] front door locking mechanism. You know
[1:16:16] how you can't open it? It's really hard.
[1:16:18] Um some of our elderly residents can't
[1:16:20] get in.
[1:16:21] >> Or the FedEx and UPS guy.
[1:16:23] >> Yeah, there's that guy, too. They they
[1:16:26] think we're not here. They actually
[1:16:28] won't deliver stuff because they think
[1:16:29] nobody's here. So, um, then repairs to
[1:16:33] the outside of the city center. We kind
[1:16:35] of talked about some of those. Repairs
[1:16:36] to the inside of the city center.
[1:16:39] Um,
[1:16:41] an EMP protector that is for the city,
[1:16:45] >> the for the computer equipment.
[1:16:48] >> Uh, it's a whole building,
[1:16:49] >> a whole building electrical system like
[1:16:52] protection.
[1:16:53] >> It'll protect the city center.
[1:16:56] Um, once
[1:16:59] >> for one hit. It's a one time use.
[1:17:01] >> It'll burn it up.
[1:17:02] >> EMP magnetic pulse
[1:17:06] >> because the the city center is supposed
[1:17:07] to be especially it's supposed to be the
[1:17:10] gathering place, right? If something
[1:17:11] like that were to happen, this is where
[1:17:13] the citizens would come and especially
[1:17:15] like in the winter if there's no heat.
[1:17:17] So, um
[1:17:19] >> but in Oceans 11, they called it a
[1:17:21] pinch.
[1:17:22] >> Yeah.
[1:17:23] >> But 500 bucks, that's just a surge
[1:17:26] protector from a power failure. An EMP
[1:17:29] as in a weaponized thing is not 500
[1:17:31] bucks. It's $500,000.
[1:17:33] >> No, it is. That is uh
[1:17:36] >> it's Aeron's
[1:17:37] >> uh Aaron. So talk to Aaron Gilbert. He's
[1:17:40] our emergency.
[1:17:40] >> I don't want to talk to Aaron Gilbert
[1:17:42] about that crap.
[1:17:43] >> Okay.
[1:17:44] But that's what it is. It'll protect us.
[1:17:46] It'll also protect us from
[1:17:49] >> a surge once as well. So the other
[1:17:52] option we had priced out was a full
[1:17:54] building surge protector.
[1:17:56] >> And that was about 35,000.
[1:17:58] And so we didn't have that much money in
[1:18:00] it. And Aaron said, "Well, you could
[1:18:02] protect the building for 500
[1:18:04] >> for one time."
[1:18:05] >> For a one time use. So
[1:18:07] >> it'll fry it up after that, but it'll
[1:18:09] protect it.
[1:18:10] >> Eron, to your point, yes, we would need
[1:18:13] to put the whole thing in a Faraday
[1:18:14] cage.
[1:18:15] >> Yeah.
[1:18:16] >> To truly protect the entire building.
[1:18:20] But if an EMP goes off
[1:18:23] um and it takes out the grid and the
[1:18:25] grid overloads and starts, that's really
[1:18:30] the type of protector this is.
[1:18:32] >> This is just in line with the main line
[1:18:35] coming in.
[1:18:36] >> So it's I've been told search protector
[1:18:40] is not the correct term and EMP
[1:18:43] protector is more accurate, but it's
[1:18:46] >> kind of similar.
[1:18:47] >> Does it go on the main line? main
[1:18:49] coming.
[1:18:50] >> Yeah, it'll go right in between the main
[1:18:52] line and then our panels right nearly
[1:18:57] below you.
[1:18:58] >> So, you get one surge and it's gone.
[1:19:00] >> Like a fuse.
[1:19:01] >> Yeah, it's like a big fuse.
[1:19:03] >> We'd have to just get a new one. Um, we
[1:19:05] did not approve. You can see it doesn't
[1:19:07] have an X there for replacing the lights
[1:19:09] to LED. I was opposed. LED lights are
[1:19:13] bad for you.
[1:19:14] >> What
[1:19:16] they are?
[1:19:17] >> Uh-huh.
[1:19:18] Um backup generator cable and box. So we
[1:19:23] uh
[1:19:24] >> is that for here or the
[1:19:26] >> for here?
[1:19:27] >> Not the the pump.
[1:19:29] >> We have one there.
[1:19:30] >> Yeah,
[1:19:30] >> we've got one. We already did that one.
[1:19:32] >> So we don't have a generator now.
[1:19:34] >> Not for here.
[1:19:37] >> Just for the water systems.
[1:19:40] >> We'd still have water,
[1:19:42] which is good. If I had to choose
[1:19:44] between having lights on at the city
[1:19:45] center or having water, I'd choose
[1:19:47] water. I think I think that's probably a
[1:19:49] wise investment to have backup
[1:19:52] >> an emergency.
[1:19:53] >> So, you know, that's just the cable in
[1:19:54] the connection box right there.
[1:19:56] >> That's not the actual generator.
[1:19:58] >> The generator. So, Aaron actually
[1:20:00] another Aaron thing Aaron has
[1:20:03] >> a generator that he would it's on wheels
[1:20:06] that he would then bring over and when
[1:20:07] we get to the point where we can buy our
[1:20:09] own generator,
[1:20:11] >> we will still need these two items. So,
[1:20:14] >> but he he'll he would loan it to us.
[1:20:17] >> So, how in the world is just a cable and
[1:20:20] box 30,000 but a generator?
[1:20:24] >> It's a big cable.
[1:20:25] >> Yeah. I mean, this is a big building,
[1:20:29] >> but I can't imagine a little Lowe's
[1:20:33] on wheels generator putting out enough
[1:20:36] power to need a cable in box 40,000.
[1:20:40] This isn't a big Lowe's on wheels.
[1:20:42] >> $60,000 cat generator.
[1:20:45] >> It's on big wheels.
[1:20:47] >> It's It actually used to be the city's
[1:20:49] generator acquired by Corbett uh in a
[1:20:53] surplus cell at some point. When Ted
[1:20:56] came on, we deemed that repairing it
[1:20:59] would cost around $10,000.
[1:21:01] So, we put it up on surplus where Aaron
[1:21:04] actually then bid on it and won it and
[1:21:06] then spent the 10,000 and got it rebuilt
[1:21:08] by Caterpillar. and now has it and then
[1:21:12] is offering it in the case of an
[1:21:14] emergency
[1:21:15] >> cuz he's our emergency management guy.
[1:21:18] >> So it's Would it sit here or would it he
[1:21:21] just keep it at his home and bring it
[1:21:22] here?
[1:21:23] >> Keep it at his home. His home's right
[1:21:25] there.
[1:21:26] >> But what's the point of him having it
[1:21:29] but planning to give it to the city when
[1:21:31] it's
[1:21:31] >> Well, he would loan it.
[1:21:32] >> That's That's a buy one yet.
[1:21:35] >> But when it's needed, why is he going to
[1:21:37] say, "I don't I'm not going to use it
[1:21:38] for my house. going to take care of the
[1:21:40] city.
[1:21:40] >> Too big for his house.
[1:21:43] >> So then why don't we just buy it back?
[1:21:46] >> Uh
[1:21:48] >> yeah,
[1:21:48] >> that is an option.
[1:21:49] >> That's a good question
[1:21:51] >> because he's willing to loan it right
[1:21:52] now.
[1:21:53] >> So if we bought it back, it would be an
[1:21:55] additional line item to this obviously
[1:21:58] and that 30,000 would still be required.
[1:22:01] >> Sure. But if we need backup power for
[1:22:03] the city center, which is a a critical
[1:22:05] infrastructure piece, then we should get
[1:22:07] it, not just leave it at Aaron's house
[1:22:09] and hope he'll wheel it over when we
[1:22:10] need it.
[1:22:11] >> We haven't ever needed it yet.
[1:22:14] >> No, we have Well,
[1:22:15] >> but
[1:22:15] >> there have been a couple times when
[1:22:17] backup power to the city building would
[1:22:19] have been helpful. Uh we actually lost a
[1:22:21] big I don't know, Michael, were you here
[1:22:23] on when we had a emergency call?
[1:22:26] >> Um and there was power out.
[1:22:28] >> I didn't go out. That's when they busted
[1:22:30] the door.
[1:22:30] >> Yeah. Yeah,
[1:22:31] >> because the door came slid down a little
[1:22:33] bit
[1:22:34] >> and the fire truck came out, took off
[1:22:36] the bottom panel of the garage door,
[1:22:38] which is dangerous for our
[1:22:40] >> Was that
[1:22:41] >> That wasn't too long ago. That was
[1:22:43] three, four, four years ago.
[1:22:45] >> Yeah, I remember when.
[1:22:46] >> So,
[1:22:47] >> it was strange cuz our up here very
[1:22:49] often.
[1:22:50] >> My thought would be
[1:22:52] >> there's no point in having a cable and
[1:22:53] box if we don't have a generator to
[1:22:55] connect it to. We either buy the full
[1:22:57] system or we don't spend any money on
[1:22:58] any of Well, the cable and box makes us
[1:23:00] we could also there are a couple in the
[1:23:03] state, right, that are emergency ones
[1:23:04] that
[1:23:05] >> but everybody would be scrambling for
[1:23:07] them. There are other ones, but we can't
[1:23:09] even borrow those without the 30,000 for
[1:23:11] the cable and box. So, the cable and box
[1:23:14] is so that we have the ability
[1:23:16] >> plug in to plug one in,
[1:23:17] >> plug a generator in. Yeah.
[1:23:18] >> Without the 30,000, we don't even have
[1:23:20] that ability.
[1:23:22] >> Yeah. So, right now it's I would say
[1:23:24] leave this in. We buy this this year and
[1:23:27] then budget year 2028.
[1:23:29] What's budget in?
[1:23:31] >> So isition of agend is this all with an
[1:23:34] electrician putting it in?
[1:23:36] >> This is with Alan Wakefield. Yeah.
[1:23:37] >> And making it work for us.
[1:23:39] >> Yep. 100%. That's why that number is
[1:23:42] also larger than what we might assume
[1:23:44] with just a cable in box.
[1:23:45] >> Yeah.
[1:23:48] >> Um and then I should have got one. Is
[1:23:50] the council ready room open? New chairs
[1:23:52] for the council ready room. Does anyone
[1:23:54] object to that? Would you like me to get
[1:23:55] you one?
[1:23:56] >> I don't even know the council ready
[1:23:57] room.
[1:23:58] >> You end up wearing the chair.
[1:24:00] >> It's peeling off so badly that the chair
[1:24:02] ends up all over you. And when we have
[1:24:05] people come, visitors, it's a conference
[1:24:07] room right there that we meet in and the
[1:24:10] chairs are so bad they're falling apart.
[1:24:13] Um, is it open? I think we have one.
[1:24:17] >> I'm I'm going to say that that's not a
[1:24:19] good and not a fair price because I'm
[1:24:21] just I just got
[1:24:25] Um, I've got a whole lot of chairs that
[1:24:28] I'm trying to get rid of and they're
[1:24:29] only giving me 30 bucks a chair.
[1:24:31] >> What kind of chairs?
[1:24:34] >> These are um waiting room chairs for our
[1:24:38] clinic. And I called our our office
[1:24:40] supply dealer and I said, "This person's
[1:24:43] giving me pennies on the dollar for what
[1:24:45] we bought these from you for." And he
[1:24:47] said, "Because the used office furniture
[1:24:51] market is flooded right now with so much
[1:24:54] stuff coming in from California."
[1:24:58] >> Yeah, they're pretty bad.
[1:24:59] >> Yeah, man. I I whole agree. We should
[1:25:02] replace those chairs.
[1:25:03] >> Let's
[1:25:04] >> But I don't think you need to spend
[1:25:05] 1,600 bucks.
[1:25:06] >> Send that contact information to Jody,
[1:25:08] please.
[1:25:09] >> How many chairs do you need?
[1:25:10] >> I think it's six or eight.
[1:25:12] >> Three.
[1:25:12] >> Six or eight?
[1:25:13] >> Oh, six or eight. Okay. It's a
[1:25:15] conference room, so they're conference
[1:25:17] room chairs. And we'll have, you know,
[1:25:20] Mike Mccel here or somebody and for a
[1:25:23] meeting. And
[1:25:24] >> I say leave these in there. Then
[1:25:26] >> just put Mike's name Mike's chair and
[1:25:30] then everybody else can have nice ones.
[1:25:32] I'm just kidding. Mike,
[1:25:33] >> that's a joke. Don't listen to this
[1:25:36] Mike.
[1:25:37] >> All right. Um,
[1:25:40] any contacts though for anything cheaper
[1:25:41] I think is good. Yeah, we're always game
[1:25:44] for that.
[1:25:45] >> So, this is a water line in the old
[1:25:48] public works bay request for washing the
[1:25:50] snowplow vehicles.
[1:25:51] >> That's here, right down below?
[1:25:53] >> Mhm.
[1:25:53] >> Yeah, I think that
[1:25:55] >> that's probably
[1:25:55] >> Don't they already have something down
[1:25:56] there?
[1:25:57] >> Be a must.
[1:25:59] >> Isn't there something down there
[1:26:00] already, Ben, for washing out the
[1:26:02] >> uh Yes. So,
[1:26:04] >> they probably drag a
[1:26:05] >> in this bay here where sits. Yep. Uh,
[1:26:10] that one does have a hose bib close. The
[1:26:13] other hose bib that we use for this bay
[1:26:15] in front of us out the front is hooked
[1:26:19] up over here. And so it runs the hose
[1:26:21] runs all the way up and coils up at the
[1:26:23] front and so we're always
[1:26:26] trying to have to jump through and trip
[1:26:28] and
[1:26:29] >> that. It's a wise investment
[1:26:31] >> because there's two in the in the fire
[1:26:34] engine bay too, right?
[1:26:36] >> Yep. that are cuz I think I used one of
[1:26:38] those once when I was on the crew.
[1:26:40] >> Yeah. So you might So there is power
[1:26:42] washer reels. This power rasher reel is
[1:26:46] broken. It doesn't work anymore.
[1:26:48] >> Okay.
[1:26:48] >> And so we've also found that just a hose
[1:26:51] speeds us up exponentially in cleaning
[1:26:53] those strings. So
[1:26:57] that was a request from our snowplow
[1:27:00] head lead.
[1:27:02] So, that's the uh we had some good
[1:27:04] suggestions since you're still sitting
[1:27:06] here, Ben.
[1:27:07] >> Um Aaron, do you want to talk to him
[1:27:09] about how to show council and mayor
[1:27:11] wages?
[1:27:12] >> Well, Ben, were you ever able to find
[1:27:14] the $700,000
[1:27:16] >> 690?
[1:27:17] >> I'm answer
[1:27:18] this is I'm still trying to figure out
[1:27:21] which option
[1:27:24] >> of the million
[1:27:26] >> that $4,000 investment in Polaris. We
[1:27:28] need to invest more.
[1:27:31] Yeah. Well,
[1:27:33] Ben needs to just do some training.
[1:27:36] >> Lori is the one who usually run this
[1:27:39] runs this with me. So,
[1:27:41] >> she probably shows you click here, go
[1:27:43] there.
[1:27:43] >> Exactly.
[1:27:45] >> We're just we're we're wanting anything
[1:27:47] with five digits or more good
[1:27:49] explanation on what those funds are
[1:27:51] going for.
[1:27:52] >> I love it. Have you had that in the
[1:27:53] past?
[1:27:54] >> Not really.
[1:27:55] >> No.
[1:27:55] >> Okay, perfect. No, I I think what we
[1:27:59] said is historically you'd ask a
[1:28:00] question and Chris would spout off an
[1:28:02] answer and whether we whether it made
[1:28:04] sense or not, that was the answer. And
[1:28:06] then remember when you look back at it
[1:28:09] later and you go, I don't know if that's
[1:28:11] right.
[1:28:11] >> Yeah.
[1:28:12] >> If we have it all in a notes section at
[1:28:15] the end,
[1:28:16] >> there are good notes.
[1:28:17] >> So if you look at like n line 16 here,
[1:28:19] right?
[1:28:20] >> Right.
[1:28:20] >> Uh it's 10,000 for repaint the inside of
[1:28:23] the city center.
[1:28:24] >> That you're good with, right? You're
[1:28:27] talking these. So if you flip to the
[1:28:29] other tab there, J.
[1:28:30] >> It's this one.
[1:28:32] >> So if we go into for instance, I assume
[1:28:35] if I can understand it, you probably can
[1:28:37] understand it as well. Is that a fairly
[1:28:41] >> safe assumption? You know, because the assumption is not only is this for
[1:28:46] the council and mayor and finance
[1:28:48] committee, but for the public to see
[1:28:49] these documents. So they can see out
[1:28:52] there in column J, column K, this is
[1:28:55] what this is because as we have
[1:28:57] discovered the account description col
[1:29:00] line is not always very accurate.
[1:29:03] >> It rarely is.
[1:29:06] >> This is what this is.
[1:29:08] >> Okay. So, you know, some of these
[1:29:10] though, like right there. So, line 209
[1:29:13] 4410
[1:29:15] uh.72, right? 580,000 principal. So, if
[1:29:19] you slide over, uh we're budgeting
[1:29:22] 61,000. That's that's a loan repayment.
[1:29:26] >> That one you don't doesn't need
[1:29:27] explanation.
[1:29:28] >> But, but what's 580,000?
[1:29:30] >> That is the the the the bond.
[1:29:33] >> What bond
[1:29:34] >> that was taken out. So, you're wanting
[1:29:36] what is the bond?
[1:29:38] road bond.
[1:29:38] >> Yeah. If I'm a brand new road bond
[1:29:40] >> city resident that wants to look at this
[1:29:42] and I go, "What's 580,000?" It could
[1:29:44] just say there city road bond 2020
[1:29:50] principal remaining or principal
[1:29:51] payments for this year.
[1:29:53] >> Thank you. That's what I need.
[1:29:54] >> Here's one thing. So when we run the
[1:29:57] reports,
[1:30:00] » we've always created these for you,
[1:30:03] >> right? Um
[1:30:05] >> these are breakout reports. These are
[1:30:06] break well they're breakout reports as I
[1:30:10] went in and clicked on each one and
[1:30:11] pulled them out and extrapolated it and
[1:30:13] all that.
[1:30:14] >> Yeah, these are in here. And I will look
[1:30:16] I'll work with Polaris to see if we
[1:30:18] can't get a better breakout.
[1:30:21] >> And it may be as I'm thinking through it
[1:30:24] support on accounting systems there is a
[1:30:28] sub description when I doubleclick on
[1:30:30] the account the chart of accounts to
[1:30:32] give us that and getting that out into
[1:30:36] this format may be difficult.
[1:30:39] Um, yeah.
[1:30:40] >> So, finding some way that
[1:30:43] >> there's some way that the public can
[1:30:45] have access even if it's not all shown
[1:30:47] on one document.
[1:30:49] >> Well, and I'm happy.
[1:30:50] >> So, just a question, Ben, on those notes
[1:30:53] and and column J. Are those things you
[1:30:55] added after the fact or does that
[1:30:57] >> those are myself, Ted, Jody?
[1:30:59] >> Okay.
[1:31:00] >> Predominantly column J is
[1:31:02] >> it's not coming from the system. It's
[1:31:04] not stored in the system. No, this was
[1:31:06] me for the purpose of the budget
[1:31:08] process.
[1:31:09] >> Sure.
[1:31:10] >> Um,
[1:31:10] >> that makes sense.
[1:31:11] >> I also don't, like I said, I I don't
[1:31:14] want this document necessarily
[1:31:17] uh easily accessible by the public right
[1:31:19] now because it's a working draft.
[1:31:21] >> So, it's not a final. When the final,
[1:31:23] we'll we'll put it out
[1:31:27] >> and I know I'm on the record here and
[1:31:28] that's fine.
[1:31:32] I don't necessarily need every single
[1:31:35] expenditure
[1:31:37] uh Monday Night Quarterback, right, by
[1:31:39] everybody who's got a platform
[1:31:43] >> axe to grind.
[1:31:44] >> Um and so that's kind of another reason
[1:31:47] that there are a higher level
[1:31:50] categories.
[1:31:52] Um but I do also want to be as
[1:31:55] transparent as possible. Um, I spend a
[1:31:59] great deal of my time right now just
[1:32:01] trying to answer a lot of questions by
[1:32:04] anybody with one and I'm always going to
[1:32:06] be happy to do that.
[1:32:08] >> Well, I think having that out there
[1:32:09] would help even the council because even
[1:32:11] as we're going through asking Janet, knew the answers less than she
[1:32:19] there's more times she couldn't answer a
[1:32:21] question than she could.
[1:32:22] >> Well, because it was what what is
[1:32:24] everything in there? And I'm like, I
[1:32:25] don't know what every
[1:32:26] >> but if all of those things were lined
[1:32:28] out to say that's what principal sale
[1:32:29] use tax revenue refunding bond is,
[1:32:33] >> but
[1:32:33] >> we wouldn't have to spend 20 minutes
[1:32:35] hunting this down every time that
[1:32:36] question asked
[1:32:38] doesn't make any sense.
[1:32:40] >> Amen.
[1:32:40] >> I have a butt because people already
[1:32:42] think that our budget is way too complex
[1:32:45] and if we get a ton of ton more detail,
[1:32:47] it's going to make it even more complex.
[1:32:49] I mean, I'm just saying we have that
[1:32:50] complaint. We had candidates who
[1:32:53] couldn't understand the budget and they
[1:32:55] said it was and I agree it took me a
[1:32:58] while and I don't still don't know I
[1:33:00] don't know complete detail of what goes
[1:33:02] into every category necessarily.
[1:33:04] >> I think the biggest thing is is
[1:33:06] currently without a finance director
[1:33:08] nobody knows the answers to these
[1:33:10] questions.
[1:33:10] >> They they do. If if Lori was here she
[1:33:13] could give you the answer. Jody does.
[1:33:16] >> Okay. So for purposes of well let let me
[1:33:21] maybe phrase it that way this way then
[1:33:23] if we're going to have a finance
[1:33:24] committee meeting we need somebody that
[1:33:26] knows the finances present
[1:33:28] >> with all due respect to Janet.
[1:33:30] >> Well um having Lori or Jod here would be
[1:33:34] very helpful since Chris is not
[1:33:36] >> well and another aspect of it is compile
[1:33:39] your questions right and we can get you
[1:33:41] the answers. I've been writing I've been
[1:33:43] making notes,
[1:33:44] >> right? So, we can still get you all the
[1:33:46] answers because I I wanted this because
[1:33:49] I thought, you know, if I give this all
[1:33:51] to you guys in a week in advance, right?
[1:33:52] And then you guys can sit there and then
[1:33:55] we get here and then it's it's more of a
[1:33:58] Q&A. Um,
[1:34:02] and we could do the same thing on the
[1:34:03] back end, right? And so, and I still had
[1:34:06] to figure out and timing and all that
[1:34:07] fun stuff
[1:34:08] >> cuz we still have till June. Like, we're
[1:34:09] not
[1:34:10] >> we're way ahead of the ball on this.
[1:34:11] Yeah.
[1:34:12] >> Um because I do, and I want this very
[1:34:15] clear, I do want you guys asking all the
[1:34:18] questions. I want you to know that we'll
[1:34:21] get you the answers. Um and we will
[1:34:24] never have another finance director
[1:34:26] under my administration. We will have a
[1:34:28] bookkeeper. We will have But we we are
[1:34:34] the smallest city with a finance
[1:34:36] director. Spanish Fork just two years
[1:34:39] ago finally got a finance director
[1:34:42] um due to the complexities of what they
[1:34:44] were doing.
[1:34:44] >> I didn't just answer my question, Jenn.
[1:34:48] >> Oh, good. Oh, really?
[1:34:50] >> Was Chris's termination voluntary or
[1:34:52] involuntary?
[1:34:54] >> I said that I couldn't employee.
[1:34:58] >> Yes.
[1:35:04] » Involuntary. Well, I think the next step
[1:35:06] then is um probably
[1:35:11] we've got to have budgets done by when
[1:35:15] are your deadlines?
[1:35:17] >> I have those. Did I email those to you a
[1:35:20] while ago?
[1:35:20] >> The deadlines.
[1:35:21] >> Mhm. The budget process.
[1:35:23] >> There was there was a there's a
[1:35:24] timeline.
[1:35:25] >> I will dig that up. Add that to your
[1:35:28] notes.
[1:35:28] >> If you did, I don't remember it.
[1:35:30] >> Okay. I'll I'll get it. I have the full
[1:35:31] timeline broken out when the public
[1:35:34] hearings are, the council meetings, all
[1:35:36] >> I have it somewhere. I have it, don't I?
[1:35:37] >> I wrote it all down, documented it, and
[1:35:39] threw it away.
[1:35:40] >> So, when would you like us to meet next?
[1:35:43] Do you think
[1:35:46] » as soon as you guys would like to
[1:35:48] because we will get you all the
[1:35:50] questions that you generate from this
[1:35:52] meeting plus whatever you email to us.
[1:35:55] I'll get you all those answers.
[1:35:57] >> What do you think? And then
[1:35:59] >> what do you think?
[1:36:01] >> Well, when we started, we started going
[1:36:05] down line by line asking a lot of
[1:36:06] questions. Jen's like, "We don't have
[1:36:08] time to go through all of those."
[1:36:09] >> Well, I just said, "I can't do all these
[1:36:11] pages because we'll be here."
[1:36:12] >> And she didn't know the answers to a lot
[1:36:14] of them. Um, fair enough. And so we
[1:36:16] said, "Well, what were the instructions
[1:36:18] that Ben gave us to do?" So then we
[1:36:20] looked at just the areas that Ben wanted
[1:36:22] us to look at.
[1:36:23] >> You went through the blue column, right?
[1:36:25] >> We did. And there was only a small
[1:36:27] handful of them as opposed to
[1:36:28] >> two of them were
[1:36:30] uh wages
[1:36:33] >> payroll related.
[1:36:34] >> All of them I think were payroll ones
[1:36:35] that you had noted for us to look at.
[1:36:37] >> Yeah. On this tab and then the entire
[1:36:40] variable
[1:36:41] >> request. Right. Most of So the way I
[1:36:44] structured this was I wanted to not go
[1:36:47] line by line in the council meeting or
[1:36:48] we would have been there forever.
[1:36:50] >> Uh there's the fixed costs I call them. I'm
[1:36:55] using accounting terms for
[1:36:57] non-accounting purposes. Fixed costs
[1:36:59] that are locked down. We're obligated to
[1:37:01] pay that
[1:37:01] >> like the interest expense that was
[1:37:03] approved and decided years ago.
[1:37:05] >> We're we're bound.
[1:37:05] >> We can't say we don't like that. We
[1:37:07] don't want to pay it.
[1:37:08] >> You know, it's our transfer station
[1:37:10] dues. Uh animal show. I just carved all
[1:37:14] those out and threw them over here. So
[1:37:16] that on the council meeting, we went
[1:37:17] through the variable requests. Variable
[1:37:20] meaning the council has the opinion of
[1:37:23] whether we do them or not. Yeah,
[1:37:24] >> I included snow plowing in there.
[1:37:28] >> It's high priority, but that way what my
[1:37:31] goal was is I wanted the council to
[1:37:34] dictate the financial priorities of the
[1:37:36] city. In the past, the financial
[1:37:40] priorities of the city had been
[1:37:42] presented to the council with similar
[1:37:45] questions you guys have raised today.
[1:37:48] And we were kind of instructed to I'm being probably too up transparent
[1:37:54] right now for a public meeting, but
[1:37:55] we're going after it anyway.
[1:37:58] We were given enough information
[1:38:01] to feel mostly good with our vote. I'm
[1:38:04] speaking for myself as a former council
[1:38:06] member, but not enough to actually know
[1:38:10] where we really were.
[1:38:11] >> It was a mystery.
[1:38:12] >> I wanted the council to dictate the
[1:38:15] priorities of the purse.
[1:38:18] My job as the chief executive of our
[1:38:20] city is to execute the priorities the
[1:38:24] council demands,
[1:38:27] not to dictate the priorities, have them
[1:38:31] incit and then me execute it. I am
[1:38:34] trying my best to divest
[1:38:37] all usurped authority
[1:38:40] by the executive
[1:38:43] to the council. supposed to be a council
[1:38:45] strong mayor weak setup, but it hasn't
[1:38:48] been that way. The mayors have kind of
[1:38:51] dictated
[1:38:53] uh in the past
[1:38:55] >> where the council has asked for
[1:38:56] something and the mayor just says no,
[1:38:57] I'm not going to do that.
[1:38:58] >> So my question then is when do we meet
[1:39:00] again?
[1:39:02] When when when
[1:39:04] is the budget due?
[1:39:07] >> The budget due is in
[1:39:10] I think it's the end of May.
[1:39:14] is when it is the final.
[1:39:15] >> So, we should probably meet in a month.
[1:39:17] >> Yeah. So, so we've given some direction
[1:39:20] back on what notes Janet's taken. Those
[1:39:23] will go to you, mayor, or to the
[1:39:26] >> probably all three.
[1:39:28] >> They'll go to me. I'll then input them
[1:39:30] and I'll get you guys answers.
[1:39:32] >> Okay.
[1:39:33] >> Um with Lori and J or Jod. Um
[1:39:37] like the 690 that I'm incompetent on our
[1:39:40] software here. I know I've asked the
[1:39:44] question as well. I know there's a
[1:39:46] logical reason as to why it's there.
[1:39:48] >> Well, it's just wild that it
[1:39:49] >> it's a grant of some sort.
[1:39:51] >> 84 84 87 90690.
[1:39:54] >> I feel like Ted explained that and I
[1:39:56] don't remember what he said about it.
[1:39:58] >> I'm not sure if it's the UD do grant.
[1:40:00] So, the community development team
[1:40:02] that's been working on the general plan,
[1:40:04] >> but that doesn't see I think that was
[1:40:06] 100 grand. So, it wasn't the 690. That's
[1:40:08] the piece I'm not sure of.
[1:40:10] >> Okay. But it's a grant of some sort
[1:40:12] there. And I just need to figure out
[1:40:14] which one it is.
[1:40:15] >> But this is an expenditure. So
[1:40:17] >> correct, it's the expenditure of the
[1:40:18] grant funds.
[1:40:20] >> Okay.
[1:40:20] >> And so the revenue is up in the revenue
[1:40:22] section.
[1:40:24] >> Um but I will go through that. So to
[1:40:26] answer your question in an extremely
[1:40:28] bloated long formed way, I apologize.
[1:40:32] I think my recommendation would be you
[1:40:34] guys meet again soon, uh, 2 3 weeks or
[1:40:38] so, and then plan to meet again after I
[1:40:42] receive the final, um, tax rate that the
[1:40:47] county assigns to us that way. Cuz right
[1:40:50] now, these revenues,
[1:40:51] >> you have some real numbers.
[1:40:53] >> These revenues are all estimates, right?
[1:40:56] They're conservative, lowbal estimates.
[1:41:00] Uh you'll probably notice that
[1:41:03] I have really only put over the tax
[1:41:06] collected number from what we've already
[1:41:09] collected this year across and over
[1:41:13] >> past year collections.
[1:41:15] >> There'll be some come in.
[1:41:16] >> Um and so I'm trying to go nice and
[1:41:19] conservative so that we don't have any
[1:41:20] big gotchas that we have to then cut
[1:41:22] stuff.
[1:41:22] >> We every year we have to do this. We
[1:41:24] don't know what the revenue is going to
[1:41:25] be, but we have to figure out the budget
[1:41:27] best we can. So, so I like the way if
[1:41:31] we'd have read if we'd had Mike read
[1:41:33] your instructions first, we would have
[1:41:34] saved a lot of time. But so the next
[1:41:37] meeting, the purpose of that meeting
[1:41:39] will be to what? What will we be
[1:41:41] reviewing and helping to give input on?
[1:41:44] >> Uh your guys' in my opinion, my
[1:41:47] recommendation would be for whatever you
[1:41:49] guys study and find more questions on.
[1:41:51] >> Okay. Okay. Um, I'd be more than happy
[1:41:54] to also um request Lori not come in one
[1:41:58] day um on time, come a few hours late
[1:42:02] and then plan to come and join your
[1:42:04] finance committee meeting.
[1:42:06] >> Um,
[1:42:07] >> and that way you'd have that responsive.
[1:42:10] >> Yeah.
[1:42:11] >> Well, that's good. So, I would think we
[1:42:13] ought to meet probably the end of April.
[1:42:15] >> But is our intent then to go through the
[1:42:18] entire budget? I would say go through
[1:42:21] your questions.
[1:42:22] >> Well, so many of our questions is we
[1:42:25] don't know what this means.
[1:42:27] >> I think we can submit those questions.
[1:42:28] >> Submit the questions to me.
[1:42:30] >> Yeah.
[1:42:30] >> And we'll go through them. I want the
[1:42:32] question I want your questions cuz I
[1:42:35] want to optimize the value of your time
[1:42:36] because you guys are are being paid even
[1:42:38] less than me, which is really sad on
[1:42:40] your part. Sorry, guys.
[1:42:43] But really what you're looking at is I
[1:42:46] want your questions not to be what's in
[1:42:48] this
[1:42:51] >> send their email or just
[1:42:54] >> Well, I'm going to send you the budget
[1:42:55] that the mayor sent me with your
[1:42:57] >> You have the You have the hard copy.
[1:42:59] >> I'll send that over to you.
[1:43:00] >> The hard copy didn't match that. So, I'm
[1:43:02] going to wait for the electronic
[1:43:03] version. You can
[1:43:04] >> So, it matches just the notes got cut
[1:43:07] off is is what didn't match.
[1:43:09] >> Some of the notes were different. Some
[1:43:10] of the numbers and the shading of boxes
[1:43:13] didn't match up.
[1:43:15] >> That's disconcerting because I printed
[1:43:17] it from this document.
[1:43:18] >> Yeah, I think they did match.
[1:43:20] >> Well, either way, you'll have this
[1:43:21] document.
[1:43:22] >> Yeah, I prefer electronic documents
[1:43:23] anyway.
[1:43:24] >> Yeah, I'll send them to you.
[1:43:26] >> Ask your questions that are uh super
[1:43:31] high level. What is in this $690,000?
[1:43:34] Right? And then I can start breaking
[1:43:36] those things out um for each of you. And
[1:43:39] that way you don't have to ask that in
[1:43:40] this meeting unless you still have
[1:43:43] questions as to the substance. I want
[1:43:46] you to be able to ask substance
[1:43:47] questions instead of just inquiry
[1:43:50] questions um in your meeting next time.
[1:43:54] >> That makes sense. Perfect.
[1:43:59] » Tuesday night? Is that the best night
[1:44:02] for every
[1:44:03] >> It doesn't matter to me. I think I'm
[1:44:05] different for me.
[1:44:06] >> The the first because council's second
[1:44:10] and fourth.
[1:44:12] >> So what about May 5th?
[1:44:14] >> I think I'm okay.
[1:44:15] >> It is Cinco de Mayo, but I can have
[1:44:17] tacos first and then come here.
[1:44:21] >> That's Tuesday.
[1:44:22] >> That's a Tuesday night.
[1:44:23] >> I can do that. Tuesday is my only free
[1:44:24] evening.
[1:44:25] >> So Tuesday is a good night for you,
[1:44:26] Mike. Erin, are you good on that shift?
[1:44:29] >> Yeah.
[1:44:30] >> And Tim, you're good. Okay. Then we'll
[1:44:33] uh
[1:44:34] >> next meeting
[1:44:35] >> set our next meeting date for the 5th of
[1:44:38] May
[1:44:40] 7:00 right here. And if we could have
[1:44:42] Lori in here that would be
[1:44:44] >> it will have to be Lori instead of me
[1:44:48] >> and I can also plan to join if that I
[1:44:51] won't be here.
[1:44:51] >> You're not going to be here but
[1:44:53] >> but they can do it. It's fine.
[1:44:55] >> Is that so there's some sort of conflict
[1:44:57] of interest or just you're not available
[1:44:58] that night?
[1:44:59] >> I'll be in Kawaii.
[1:45:00] >> Okay. There's a conflict of interest.
[1:45:04] >> I didn't know if there was something
[1:45:05] about council member and staff member
[1:45:07] can't be explaining finan I'll be in
[1:45:10] Kawaii.
[1:45:11] >> That was the same conflict of interest I
[1:45:12] had in the last council meeting.
[1:45:16] >> Ray will in this meeting then
[1:45:21] >> can you send this document also?
[1:45:23] >> It's t
[1:45:26] perfect. Thank you.
[1:45:27] >> I'm I'll send you the whole document
[1:45:28] that I received. Thank you, sir.
[1:45:30] Awesome.
[1:45:33] You don't want the paper?
[1:45:36] >> I'll do it tonight.
[1:45:40] >> Thank you.
[1:45:41] >> Do you have Mike's email?
[1:45:44] >> Make sure you have
[1:45:45] >> I do. I have Mike's. You got my email,
[1:45:47] didn't you?
[1:45:49] >> Happy.
[1:45:50] >> Yes. Yes, I did. Setting this.
[1:45:52] >> Happy something. I can't. Happy dad.