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Okay, welcome everybody to a city

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council meeting. Uh, it's April 14th,

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2026.

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Um,

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I was going to say something stupid, but

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I won't.

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Hopefully, we'll get through this. I was

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going to say so

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>> I know every once in a while.

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I was going to say this is going to go

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by quickly and that was not going to

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happen.

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>> That's a curse.

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>> I just cursed the whole thing.

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>> Okay, we are going to start um with

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number one there for a work session.

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>> You should say who's here.

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>> Oh, thank you. Okay, so we have um

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council member John's Rhoden and Lunt

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here in the meeting and council member

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Hutchkins is online and council member

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Malovich is excused. Um she's got uh

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another event that she's working on that

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required her time this evening. Um so we

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will start with number one. Um resident

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request to amend city code 10-11-8.

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This is landscape features, fences,

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walls, driveways, and culverts to allow

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sound barrier fencing along 11200 South.

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Um

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do we have that individual here? We

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don't have Mr. Cabraw or his wife here

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or Mr. Vanassel.

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>> Uh they live along 11200 South. We know

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that 11200 South is becoming a main

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corridor. We also um know that uh Salem

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is going to allow a sound barrier wall

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on their portion of 11200 South that is

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in Salem. And so they were asking if

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they could have the same on their uh

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side of the property. They are willing

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to pay for it, not asking the city to do

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it.

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So uh this would go it would just be uh

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go through our planning commission. So

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it would have to have a public hearing.

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Um but the ordinance that's there is

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kind of some proposed language that

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could be possibly used.

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>> I didn't like the up to 10 ft.

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That's why it's called um opposed

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language.

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>> And I drove um well I worked in

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Mapleton, my Mapleton office today. And

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I drove along um the main road from

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Woodland Hills to Mapleton like from

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Spanish Fork where it has the two

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roundabouts under the freeway and then

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also on Main Street, Spanish Fork. And I

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would say that those streets have about

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as much traffic as 11200 would have or

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more, probably a lot more. And none of

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them have a eight or 10 foot sound

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barrier wall. Any of them.

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>> Have you seen what's coming down? Have

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you seen that one they put down there on

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that development of Wood Nails Drive?

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You know, that new development just off

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to the right.

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>> Uhhuh.

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>> That's what Salem that development

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coming around the roundabout's going to

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have and then down here. So,

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>> how tall is that one?

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>> What's that?

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>> How tall is that one?

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>> I don't know. I haven't measured.

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>> Steve, do you know

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>> six feet exist? I'm okay with six, but I don't think I'm good with eight or 10.

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» And like are we talking like Don

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Vantasel's

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spot right there on 200? So some of the

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homes are actually down below grade

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right of the street. So 8 ft might

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actually be 6 ft at street grade. So

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that would be interesting to see. Um or

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I don't know if when they do the new

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road if they're going to try I don't

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know with offsets and you know right

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ride rightways etc how far it'll be on

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their property.

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>> So have to be on the property line

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change from what it is.

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>> Okay.

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>> They're going to reconfigure the road a

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little bit but they've got most all the

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right away.

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>> Okay.

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>> Uh that development that's happening on

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the corner there of the roundabout. I

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guess be the north and west corner.

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>> Mhm. So that they that developer right

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now is is finalizing his plans with

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Salem and he he gave enough right away.

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That was the only part they were lacking

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some width of rightway they needed.

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>> So he gave that right away there and I

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think what they were saying is they're

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going to continue a fence around there

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and then come down past where the

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possible future

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worshiing center will be.

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>> Mhm.

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and then down where the county kind of

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picks up these houses down here below

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the state center. Um, kind of well that

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one house has that sound fence. So I

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think that's what I ask. They just kind

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of want to continue along there. Now I I

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don't know. My thought would be match

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whatever is done along there. Just it

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all looks, you know,

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>> right? And like all the ones on Mapleton

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and that they were all six, they had the

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sound wall, but they were all the

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sixfooters. And maybe we can look at see

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what that developer is doing along the

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corner there that would basically tie in

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to where Vanasel is and the guy across

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the street that wants to do it. See what

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their plan is for a height and just kind

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of match that same level across there. I

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think that would look uniform then.

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Yeah. I've been having since I saw this,

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I've been having conversations with

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Salem um with their uh building

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department and then I called and talked

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to Brady Wild today, their engineer, one

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of their engineers. So, theirs is not

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considered a sound barrier fence. Um

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theirs is has has safety factors to it

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and it's very specific. It's not even

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just masonary. Um, in some of their

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places they they do allow the the SIMC

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style fence. Um, but on Woodland Hills

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Drive and 11200 and and a couple other

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uh corridors, they require a a more

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significant foundation and um and it's

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masonary.

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>> is it masonary or pre-cast concrete,

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Brian? Because

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>> either either way, I mean pre-cast is

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fine. He would just he just said

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masonary. Yeah, but that's what he was

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referring to.

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>> Um, so my recommendation after talking

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to them, um, and I think we

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>> and and Brady agrees we should probably

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get Elk Ridge involved as well, um, and

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at least talk to them and about what's

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happening. So, they've been working with

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the county quite a bit. If you, if you

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notice, the fences on on Woodland Hills

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Drive are not just any fence. Um,

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there's requirements. They actually had

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a contractor put up the fence and it was

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wrong and they made the contractor

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remove it and replace it and and the

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contractor actually gave it to Salem and

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put it on another house. Um, but it's more than just sound. It is minimum

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of six feet. Um, now anything higher

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does require approvals and that would be

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based on on other things. My

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recommendation would be to get with to

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have have Ted and Wayne get with Salem

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and pro and probably get with uh

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Elkridge as well and see if we can't

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come together, come up with a uh a

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conforming standard that's going down

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11200 along that that road and and work

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with the county that Salem has already

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worked with to try to flesh this out a

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little bit better. I'm not sure I'm I'm

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great with with uh some of the verbiage

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in this one. Um and I understand the

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need for higher fencing based on sound.

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Um but I don't know that that's you know

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would be would be necessary. But I

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really think that a collaboration with

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the three cities is a great way. and

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Brady agrees completely and would love

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to get uh together with everybody and

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sit down and come up with something

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that'll work for everybody.

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» Yeah, I mean reading the same thing.

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I've got kind of the same vision here,

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like turning that open area into what

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looks like a compound or a potential

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junkyard or something. Um,

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I I my thoughts immediately went to Park

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City area where I mean, no way, no how,

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even on the busiest State Road 224,

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you've got houses that are lining that

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divided highway. Um, and you know,

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you're talking one of the nicest

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communities in the in the country and

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it's, you know, there there's a road and

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there's cars, but there's not a

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soundwall.

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I I just worry that if we allow

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a fencing ordinance that that is not

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very intentional and just say it's broad

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along 112 1200 South and we're really

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limiting how we're controlling what that

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looks like going into the future. Um

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that's kind of my thoughts. I I think we

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need to be pretty intentional.

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>> Get kind of a uniform I mean there's

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going to be pre-cast fence there, right?

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Salem's that's they're putting it there

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with their developments

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and I think we just need to be uniform I

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agree with Brian I think we need to get

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with Salem and Elish let's be uniform

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along there so it looks intentional and

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we don't have different styles and

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different heights and it all looks just

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a hodge podge of

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>> don't want it to be an eyesore for sure

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>> yeah and make it look more uniform

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what's happening

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along there

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and I think what they've been putting up

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Olympus it's called Olympus pre-cast is

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who makes I think the ones they've been

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putting up um I've put quite a few of

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those spec out with UD do projects.

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That's what UD do uses too. Those

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pre-cast concrete. You have to those

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pillars actually or the supports

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actually go into the ground. It has

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quite big bases and rebar and all that

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stuff. And they do it not only for sound

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but for crash protection on their busy

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quarters.

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>> Yeah. Perfect.

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>> Okay. Anybody else have anything else

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they want to get in?

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>> Just uniformity. I I concur with all

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>> I agree as well. I like that input.

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>> I have a question.

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>> Sure. I'm just curious if their

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intention or their hope is more than

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sound barrier because

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the sound barrier works best if it's

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closest to the noise. So, you know,

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it'll be up close to the road. I'm just

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wondering if there's another reason for

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wanting.

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>> Safety generally is why they put those

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in when you get along busy corners.

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>> I meant the intention of the family's

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asking.

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>> No, I don't know.

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But perfect. Thank you.

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>> More privacy is probably

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>> I think when he came in and asked he's

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just worried about because that love 200

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is going to be part of what they're

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calling the evil beltway.

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>> Yeah.

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>> Right. That's going to become a major

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thoroughare between Highway 6 and I15.

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You know, this is probably 20 30 years

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down the road. But I think their concern

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is now is we better start kind of

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addressing this because they're worried

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about all the traffic there and

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potential for not for noise and safety

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reasons.

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>> And I think Salem's actually

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on one of

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>> there's a does the trail system is that

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also planned on that?

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>> Yes, on 200.

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>> Yeah.

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>> And it's on the north side.

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>> It's on the south I believe.

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>> Well, so that's a good question. Uh

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depends on who you talk to.

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>> Okay.

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>> It could be both.

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>> Okay.

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>> So, it's both county and Salem that are

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doing trail systems there and uh they've

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talked about doing it.

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So the the generally right now they're

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looking on the north side is where it

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would go. Um even though we've kind of

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got a partial one on the south, they're

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talking about putting it on the north.

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That's the Sman County talking about

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that.

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>> So the rightway there is owned by the

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county, right?

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>> Yes. It's a county road. Yes.

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>> So the question would be if eventually

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we develop down there, we want to do

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something, but it's a county right away.

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So it have to be coordinated if there is

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development with the county.

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>> Okay. Wonderful. Thank you. Okay, let's

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move to number two. Um, update on the

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mailboxes. Ted and Wayne.

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» So, I spoke to Wayne earlier today and

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so there was no update maybe at the next

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meeting.

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>> Okay. Do we have anything from the

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county? Uh, I did send the I did send

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the So, we got the 90% design roundabout

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design plans from the county's engineer

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and I sent those 90% plans to Three

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Bridges so they can start developing

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their site plan for the Mailbox.

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They've just kind of got that underway

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so there's no feedback from it yet.

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>> Perfect.

331
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>> It's in there.

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>> Kind Speaking of that, a quick question.

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Can do we know I've seen the signs out

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but on Monday next Monday when they

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start road construction do we know which

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section they're going to be working on?

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>> I think they're coming right up the road

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with the sewer is what they're bringing

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first. So there's a major sewer front

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line that's coming up with the hills

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right coming from Salem Canal Road.

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There's going to be a sewer line coming

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right up

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>> because I just thought that maybe on

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Sunday I should post something.

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>> So I got that message out last night

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from Jen, right? Um, just a link to

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Salem's site. She said that they'll have

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more information on Sunday. Okay. That

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she'll get and I'll send that over to

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you.

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>> Okay. I just thought that Yeah, we could

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make sure we get that posted. Okay.

354
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>> Wonderful. Okay. Uh, number three, uh,

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we're going to review sections 1 through

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six of the general plan. Um, so this

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document has already gone through the

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community development committee. Um, it

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has then gone to the planning

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commission. Um I received the notes and

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feedback and and requested changes from

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planning commission. So you are

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currently seeing in chapters 1 through

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six. You are seeing the notes from

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uh or the original of community

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development with red and then crossed

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out in red um any additions or deletions

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from the planning commission. Okay. um

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to make sure this part of the

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work session actually can run smoothly,

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I'm going to request that we keep it to

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just the council um and staff on this

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one. Um but let's uh

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how do you best want to tackle this? You

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want to just start and go?

376
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>> Uh I have something on page six, but if

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somebody has something before then go

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first.

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» Start with page six.

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>> Okay. just and this is a problem on

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several of the pages, but that graphic

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is blurry.

383
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>> Mhm.

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>> And hard to read. So that

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>> that may be an exporting thing.

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>> So it's got to be crisped up because if

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uh people are going to try to print

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that.

389
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>> No, it is blurry. I can render it.

390
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>> Okay. There's a few of those. So

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>> is it the entire graphic or just the

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text?

393
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>> It's the entire graphic because you

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can't read the percentages on the

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graphic and then you can't read the key

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on this side.

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>> Okay.

398
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So I had a hard time.

399
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>> Is this built in word?

400
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>> No, this is built in um in design.

401
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>> In design. So just the alignment of

402
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those graphs also. I'm just maybe it's

403
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just made. They're all the same graph.

404
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They're pie charts. They should all line

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up and

406
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>> Yeah. And a lot of those types of

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adjustments I'll make um when I kind of

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finalize.

409
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>> Okay. I don't want to be too nitpicky

410
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with that kind of stuff. Um, also as

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we're going through this, if there's

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anything that is in red that has been

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removed or added that you, you know,

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>> have an issue with,

415
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>> let's address those as well.

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>> I've got Yep.

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>> Okay. Page seven. Who is that in the

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picture?

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>> That's We're going to have to remove

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that picture.

421
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>> That's you, Brian, and Ted. And

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Kirsten's there.

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>> And I think Slater's there. And

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>> um okay,

425
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>> can we pull it up so that we're

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following it or does every everybody

427
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>> I' I've got I've got a

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>> I just made for

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>> page page 13. Uh same thing. Hard to

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read in the upper right hand corner that

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graphic especially the smaller one.

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Figure two race ethnicity percentages.

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Can't read it.

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It's very blurry.

435
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» Yeah. Okay.

436
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I told you I read it and I made notes.

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So,

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>> perfect. Love it.

439
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>> And um a lot of it was really good. Um a

440
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lot of I got to see a lot of the survey

441
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results that I hadn't seen before. So, I

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thought that was interesting. Okay. page

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22

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and anybody if you have something before

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me when I jump ahead just tell me. Um it

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was low density and now it says medium

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density. Why

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are we considered medium now?

449
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And then it says the city has elected to

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focus on large and then it says medium

451
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density lots

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in.

453
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>> Yes.

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I asked him to change it because R119 is

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a medium considered medium density.

456
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>> Okay.

457
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>> And the he what it should read there is

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low and medium

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um

460
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>> okay

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>> low being 1acre lots, medium being R119.

462
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>> The way it reads right now, low is

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crossed out and medium. And I just don't

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want it to look like we're focused on

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medium

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in our community. I'm not certainly.

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Um, and then further down it says

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elected to focus on large and large is

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crossed out and it says medium. So it

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should be can it be or instead of

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crossed out or or andor.

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>> Thanks Ben. Are you talking about? Oh,

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>> page 22, development patterns,

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chapter three. Yep.

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Right in there. See how low is crossed

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out and it says medium and red and then

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it

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>> I I I'm requesting that say andor

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>> promoting low and or medium.

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>> Yeah. Or something. I just

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I don't like the lows c I'm sorry if

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anybody disagrees with me go ahead and

483
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say so

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>> well are we low and medium

485
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>> so yeah I I don't think that there's any

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low density plan in any of our timelines

487
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in anywhere in Woodland Hills

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I think low is not a good term is medium

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or large in my opinion Um because our

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1119 is the smallest. I mean we we've

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got some limited ones but there

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>> large density would be like an apartment

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complex.

494
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>> Yeah.

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Low density is a five acres. Two

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>> low or medium. Okay. I'm looking I'm

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thinking lower medium lot size. I wasn't

498
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looking at density.

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>> There's two places.

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>> Density component. Yeah.

501
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>> Yeah. Density. Lower medium. Okay. That

502
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makes sense. You're right.

503
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>> Yep.

504
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>> I don't think it hurts.

505
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>> Yeah, it doesn't.

506
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Yeah,

507
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>> I know it's just a grammatical thing,

508
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but I I was like, wait, uh-uh. That show

509
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was my response when I read that.

510
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So, if we could unstrike those

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and make them grammatically correct,

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that would be wonderful.

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>> Unstrike all of this

514
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>> just the large, medium,

515
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>> just to mitigate the impact of these

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constraints.

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>> Okay.

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>> Period.

519
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>> Right. Is the plan. different than the

520
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one I have.

521
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>> Okay.

522
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Right.

523
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>> Yeah. This this was actually an addition

524
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from I think your notes industry is

525
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considered low density.

526
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>> Yeah. But I mean the majority fires are

527
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75 or more,

528
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>> right? I'm just saying we're

529
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>> overall.

530
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>> All right.

531
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>> Uh next. And then page 24

532
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is also blurry the graphic.

533
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>> Yeah, that's not going to change. I can

534
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do the key.

535
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>> Can you fix the key?

536
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>> I can replace I can edit the key and

537
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I'll talk with uh

538
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>> I'll see if I can't get

539
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>> Maybe my eyes are just blurry.

540
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>> No, that's that's a that's a good one.

541
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>> Can't be stained.

542
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>> Page 26. The key. Can't read the key.

543
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That is an import. So maybe there is a

544
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setting I need to export better here.

545
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>> Okay. Um

546
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>> sorry.

547
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:12,640
>> Look here for instance that's crystal

548
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:13,440
clear.

549
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:17,600
>> Even like page 30. It's hard

550
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:19,600
to read those numbers at the bottom.

551
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:31,590
number of housing units on the graph.

552
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:33,200
» Yeah, that's an important thing because

553
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:34,799
they're clear here.

554
00:25:34,799 --> 00:25:36,320
>> Okay.

555
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:41,350
Um on page 31,

556
00:25:41,360 --> 00:25:43,360
the two graphics at the bottom, they

557
00:25:43,360 --> 00:25:45,440
look like they're the same.

558
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:47,279
>> Yes, we deleted one of them.

559
00:25:47,279 --> 00:25:49,760
>> Okay. Oh, you cuz see yours is more

560
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:51,440
updated than what we have.

561
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:51,840
>> Yes.

562
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:53,279
>> What I have.

563
00:25:53,279 --> 00:25:56,159
>> Okay. The numbers were different, but it

564
00:25:56,159 --> 00:25:57,919
read the same at the top. So, I was very

565
00:25:57,919 --> 00:26:00,640
confused.

566
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:05,269
Okay.

567
00:26:05,279 --> 00:26:07,200
I think I might get a gold star for

568
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:11,200
doing my homework. Let's see. Page 37.

569
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:14,480
The key is blurry.

570
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:16,640
>> Yep. also exporting.

571
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:19,120
>> One major comment I had on this is

572
00:26:19,120 --> 00:26:21,120
shouldn't we have a future land use map

573
00:26:21,120 --> 00:26:23,600
in the plan? This is just a current

574
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:27,520
zoning map, but we don't have a future.

575
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:28,880
>> I think the future and the current

576
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:30,240
aren't the same,

577
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:32,960
>> right? Cuz the current zoning is taking

578
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:36,240
in the future's anticipated. Uh Wayne,

579
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:37,440
you're the one that requested this

580
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:39,279
alteration. What's your thoughts here?

581
00:26:39,279 --> 00:26:42,880
>> We didn't want to lock the city into

582
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:44,960
future zoning.

583
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:47,840
But and that's that's what's happened a

584
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:50,559
little bit. We've gotten push back when

585
00:26:50,559 --> 00:26:55,039
we've gone to zone something that um

586
00:26:55,039 --> 00:26:59,440
that is zoned differently and

587
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:01,120
people have said to us, well that's not

588
00:27:01,120 --> 00:27:05,440
what your zoning map shows. And so

589
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:09,360
the proposed zoning map from previous

590
00:27:09,360 --> 00:27:10,640
general plans.

591
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:13,520
>> Sure. So, we wanted to leave flexibility

592
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:18,799
in in future zoning as to whether

593
00:27:18,799 --> 00:27:20,640
they're individual lots or whether

594
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:24,080
there's a a a development that's going

595
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:28,480
on and not

596
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:30,559
have the residents feel that we're going

597
00:27:30,559 --> 00:27:34,720
against the general plan where there's a

598
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:38,080
proposed future zoning.

599
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:41,200
wanted to leave that open depending upon

600
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:43,039
the circumstances

601
00:27:43,039 --> 00:27:45,279
that you felt that it should be zoned

602
00:27:45,279 --> 00:27:46,400
as.

603
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,360
>> Yeah, that that makes good sense.

604
00:27:49,360 --> 00:27:52,400
Um the the concern is isn't the entire

605
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:55,440
purpose behind having a general plan to

606
00:27:55,440 --> 00:28:00,080
have a plan for the future to say hey

607
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,799
with what our anticipated growth is so

608
00:28:02,799 --> 00:28:05,039
we don't go willy-nilly hodge podgeing

609
00:28:05,039 --> 00:28:08,240
all over the city to say hey this is

610
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:10,799
prudent development based on what we

611
00:28:10,799 --> 00:28:14,880
know with future roads with future um

612
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:18,559
density areas with future um you know,

613
00:28:18,559 --> 00:28:25,279
influx of of either density housing or commercial or whatever whatever it

614
00:28:25,279 --> 00:28:27,840
may be. Isn't this where we should be?

615
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:29,919
Yeah, we may not get it right, but

616
00:28:29,919 --> 00:28:33,200
shouldn't we be planning for, hey, this

617
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:36,000
is what's expected to be happening here?

618
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:38,880
Um, and so this is where we want to be

619
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:41,039
guiding the city to because right now

620
00:28:41,039 --> 00:28:44,320
we're just saying, yeah, the zoning is

621
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:47,440
just great. We love it. And if somebody

622
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:48,960
wants to make a change, they can make a

623
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:51,760
change.

624
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:52,960
>> Well, and I think there's there's

625
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:55,760
something to that. I think right now

626
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:58,399
you've got these areas here that are all

627
00:28:58,399 --> 00:29:00,559
zoned as agriculture, and I don't think

628
00:29:00,559 --> 00:29:03,440
they'll always be that way. Right.

629
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:05,360
>> So, and what I've seen in other general

630
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:07,760
plans, just throw feedback, sometimes

631
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:10,399
it'll say, it doesn't say this is how

632
00:29:10,399 --> 00:29:13,039
we're doing the zoning. It says this is

633
00:29:13,039 --> 00:29:15,279
um some guidance in our zoning. and say,

634
00:29:15,279 --> 00:29:17,600
"We're anticipating in this general

635
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:18,880
area, we're going to have some higher

636
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:20,880
density. We're anticipating lower

637
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:22,399
density." So, you're not actually zoning

638
00:29:22,399 --> 00:29:24,799
the property now, but you're saying this

639
00:29:24,799 --> 00:29:27,679
is what we're guiding the the direction

640
00:29:27,679 --> 00:29:29,440
towards the zone. That makes sense. So,

641
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:32,159
you can show kind of a future map says

642
00:29:32,159 --> 00:29:33,440
this is what the thoughts are, but not

643
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:36,640
actually zone the property.

644
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:38,799
>> Yeah. Yeah. And and I guess

645
00:29:38,799 --> 00:29:40,240
>> different owners that don't want their

646
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:41,520
property zone, something different than

647
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:43,520
what is now. Like I know the hes you

648
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:45,520
know all a land that's all they they

649
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:46,960
don't want to at least Jason doesn't

650
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:48,080
want to zone it's something different

651
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:49,760
now but but you can say this is what

652
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:51,120
we're thinking in this area if they ever

653
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:52,080
sell

654
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:54,399
>> exactly yeah so so that we're kind of

655
00:29:54,399 --> 00:29:58,080
preparing to say hey and and and here's

656
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:02,880
the deal I mean I'm a developer and when

657
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:06,480
I look at cities I'm looking at you know

658
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:08,960
very few of us myself included is

659
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:11,919
competent or qualified enough to say,

660
00:30:11,919 --> 00:30:14,640
"Hey, the future of Woodland Hills is

661
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:19,360
going to be best suited to have this, this, and this on every acre of

662
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:21,520
land." Right? I mean, I'd love to say

663
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:22,960
that we could, but we're not those

664
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,120
experts. We we can't speak to that

665
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:28,240
growth. We can't speak to what the

666
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:29,760
impacts of that growth are, what's going

667
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:31,600
to be necessary. But there are experts

668
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:34,240
out there who can guide us to say, "Hey,

669
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:36,480
based on what you guys have, this is an

670
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:38,000
appropriate

671
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,480
expectation for your vision of the

672
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:43,520
city." and also for you know responsible

673
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:45,520
development. And that's that's kind of

674
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:47,840
what I always talked about is we want to

675
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:51,279
develop responsibly and this my fear in

676
00:30:51,279 --> 00:30:54,159
this is that we're just leaving it open

677
00:30:54,159 --> 00:30:56,480
which is fantastic but it's also failing

678
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:58,720
to plan for what's inevitably going to

679
00:30:58,720 --> 00:30:59,600
come.

680
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:01,600
>> What do you can you talk more about what

681
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:03,600
you think is inevitable to come? The

682
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:06,720
forcing of of higher density. What what

683
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:07,520
exactly are you

684
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:09,600
>> development development will come into

685
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:11,760
those areas? right? It will never remain

686
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:14,000
a field forever. And so us being able to

687
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:15,919
say, "Hey, it's not going to be a

688
00:31:15,919 --> 00:31:19,440
hodgepodge of whatever proposal comes to

689
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:22,880
us, it's going to be a well um a well

690
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:24,880
planned, well thought out um

691
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,200
professionally. Again, I'm not that

692
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:30,559
professional. Um but we should have

693
00:31:30,559 --> 00:31:32,240
somebody who's competent and qualified

694
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:34,559
come in and say, "Hey, if you have a

695
00:31:34,559 --> 00:31:36,720
thoroughfare like this, this is what's

696
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:39,279
best for a city of your caliber." Right?

697
00:31:39,279 --> 00:31:43,519
is put this type of zoning, put, you

698
00:31:43,519 --> 00:31:45,760
know, and then you buffer into this. Um,

699
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:48,240
people get so upset about highdensity

700
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:51,200
residential, but highdensity residential

701
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:52,960
does not devalue low density

702
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,679
residential. What devalues low

703
00:31:55,679 --> 00:31:58,480
residential, low density residential is

704
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:02,320
commercial or industrial. Um,

705
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:04,320
and there's nothing aside from us that's

706
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:06,960
stopping that from happening. But even

707
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:10,240
that is not a good fail safe, right?

708
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:11,919
Sure. So

709
00:32:11,919 --> 00:32:14,399
>> that makes sense.

710
00:32:14,399 --> 00:32:15,600
>> Trying to find

711
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:18,880
>> you control the zoning in the moment, so

712
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:21,600
to speak. When when there's something to

713
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,720
be reszoned or developer comes in, uh,

714
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:26,960
you can tell them, "No, those are not

715
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:29,600
going to be oneacre lots in there. We

716
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:33,600
need we need some higher density." You

717
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:37,600
control that. you're here today and gone

718
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:40,399
tomorrow. Those views change and then

719
00:32:40,399 --> 00:32:43,679
you've got the property owner to deal

720
00:32:43,679 --> 00:32:45,679
with as well.

721
00:32:45,679 --> 00:32:49,200
>> And again,

722
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:52,080
one of our visions is

723
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:54,799
we've always said along 11200

724
00:32:54,799 --> 00:32:57,919
is a good place for commercial

725
00:32:57,919 --> 00:33:01,279
>> in there. So when somebody starts

726
00:33:01,279 --> 00:33:03,600
talking about homes along there, they

727
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:06,320
said, "No, no, no. that's that's

728
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:09,120
reserved for commercial.

729
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:13,279
And so we we didn't want to lock

730
00:33:13,279 --> 00:33:16,320
that up at this point in time. There's

731
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:18,240
still a lot of development that will

732
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:22,320
occur down in those lower areas over the

733
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:23,679
years to come.

734
00:33:23,679 --> 00:33:24,080
>> Yeah.

735
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:26,159
>> And and you as a council may have

736
00:33:26,159 --> 00:33:28,880
different views and things may change.

737
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:31,200
We're there's a lot of pressure being

738
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:35,200
put on now by the state for

739
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,519
high density housing, for affordable

740
00:33:37,519 --> 00:33:40,320
housing, whatever. And and that's

741
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:44,000
defined. And so

742
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,399
rather than lock in on some of these

743
00:33:46,399 --> 00:33:48,960
things, we wanted to leave it flexible

744
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:52,559
enough that the council then with like

745
00:33:52,559 --> 00:33:54,880
you say, if a developer comes in and

746
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:56,320
says, I've done the we've done these

747
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:58,960
studies and here's a person we paid x

748
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,039
number of dollars to and this is what

749
00:34:01,039 --> 00:34:04,640
bet best fits this this area. And you

750
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:07,200
have that flexibility in making those

751
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:10,800
determinations at that point in time. So

752
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:13,359
that's the that's kind of the rationale

753
00:34:13,359 --> 00:34:18,879
and idea behind not seeking a a zone now

754
00:34:18,879 --> 00:34:24,960
or recommending a particular zone u.

755
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:26,879
>> Yeah. So here's the map that there used

756
00:34:26,879 --> 00:34:30,869
to be there.

757
00:34:30,879 --> 00:34:33,839
» So they don't actually selling

758
00:34:33,839 --> 00:34:36,879
commercial options

759
00:34:36,879 --> 00:34:37,679
over here.

760
00:34:37,679 --> 00:34:42,310
>> Can I make a comment?

761
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:44,320
as the city like we've talked about

762
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:46,240
sewer's coming

763
00:34:46,240 --> 00:34:48,639
>> it's very slow but you guys have a

764
00:34:48,639 --> 00:34:50,639
target where it's going to start and how

765
00:34:50,639 --> 00:34:53,599
it will be fed through that's one area

766
00:34:53,599 --> 00:34:55,040
that would be coordin exactly what

767
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,599
you're talking about this is where we

768
00:34:57,599 --> 00:35:00,079
want to say this is you know sewer's

769
00:35:00,079 --> 00:35:02,560
going to be here so this could support

770
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:06,400
this kind of a development I years ago

771
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:08,079
decades Craig was on the planning zoning

772
00:35:08,079 --> 00:35:09,440
in Salem

773
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:12,000
And they had a it wasn't the general

774
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:13,680
plan, but they had a giant map on the

775
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:16,400
wall that they colorcoded and said, you

776
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:18,400
know, this is what we're thinking. It

777
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:21,200
could be in flux. And it was in flux as

778
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:24,000
they made changes like developer came in

779
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,320
and put in

780
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:28,640
development on the highway. And so sewer

781
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:31,359
suddenly went south, I mean north and

782
00:35:31,359 --> 00:35:33,200
then that changed because it opened up

783
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,119
more opportunities. But I what you're

784
00:35:35,119 --> 00:35:38,400
saying I think is really important.

785
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:40,800
So is the flexibility. Yeah, I think

786
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:41,599
having that

787
00:35:41,599 --> 00:35:44,320
>> SA calls there's a uh it's called the

788
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:46,480
future land use concept.

789
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:49,760
>> So it's not really a land use map. They

790
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:51,200
kind of what

791
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,040
>> so similar to it's kind of like that

792
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:54,800
only they've said they've bubbled in

793
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:56,320
areas not really like identified

794
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:56,880
specifically.

795
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:58,400
>> So similar to this map here, right?

796
00:35:58,400 --> 00:35:59,680
>> Yeah. They just kind of bubble it in say

797
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:01,040
here's what we're thinking would go

798
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:02,800
here. Here's what we're think go here.

799
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,520
So it doesn't reszone it or lock it in.

800
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:07,200
Um, but I don't know if that's anyway.

801
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:08,400
I'm just kind of throwing out what I was

802
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:08,880
saying.

803
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:10,480
>> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I I just

804
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:13,200
>> You call it a concept map, not really a

805
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:14,640
land use.

806
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:16,880
>> Makes sense. Yeah. And and maybe we we

807
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:18,480
look at that word. I just feel like it's

808
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:21,200
important because it protects protects

809
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:24,640
all of us a little bit from,

810
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:27,359
you know, decisions going ary or little

811
00:36:27,359 --> 00:36:30,400
one-off things, right? So, I can sit

812
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:32,160
here and say, well, I trust myself to

813
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:33,839
make a good decision, but I want to see

814
00:36:33,839 --> 00:36:37,520
what how it impacts the overall um of

815
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:39,839
the city, not just today, but the

816
00:36:39,839 --> 00:36:41,839
adjacent property tomorrow, the next

817
00:36:41,839 --> 00:36:43,760
day, the next year. So,

818
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:46,079
>> so I like I like the the idea of the

819
00:36:46,079 --> 00:36:50,000
concept because we have been hamstrung

820
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,240
because of our general plan and had to

821
00:36:52,240 --> 00:36:55,200
vote certain ways, didn't have a choice

822
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:56,880
because it was in the general plan. this

823
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:58,720
is what our future is and this is what

824
00:36:58,720 --> 00:37:01,760
we plan for it. Um regardless of what

825
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:04,880
the the residents wanted. Um we were

826
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:08,240
kind of I felt I felt that I was was

827
00:37:08,240 --> 00:37:12,079
trapped in that decision and couldn't change it. So I like the idea

828
00:37:12,079 --> 00:37:15,040
of setting a concept and saying very

829
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:18,320
clearly this isn't

830
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:20,560
a have to. This is what we're this is

831
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:23,040
what we're envisioning, right? Uh, so I

832
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:25,119
like that and and I like being able to

833
00:37:25,119 --> 00:37:27,599
have those guidelines in place like like

834
00:37:27,599 --> 00:37:31,750
Steve is talking about.

835
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:33,920
» Okay, keep thinking about this.

836
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:36,800
>> That's certainly your prerogative

837
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:38,400
>> to do that. And I don't I'm not

838
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:40,320
disagreeing. I'm just giving you a

839
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:41,119
reason why

840
00:37:41,119 --> 00:37:43,280
>> why you're protecting. Yeah, which makes

841
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:45,280
sense.

842
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:46,640
>> Let's keep thinking about that. If you

843
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:48,320
have more thoughts, send them over my

844
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:51,920
way. Um, and again, just so you guys all

845
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:55,200
know, when I was kind of compiling this,

846
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:57,359
I did not insert my opinion anywhere in

847
00:37:57,359 --> 00:38:00,240
the document. So, it's just the merging

848
00:38:00,240 --> 00:38:04,000
of the two bodies. Uh, next page. What

849
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:04,640
do we got?

850
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:05,760
>> 40.

851
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:08,240
>> Page 40. You may have fixed this

852
00:38:08,240 --> 00:38:10,240
already, but in the second paragraph,

853
00:38:10,240 --> 00:38:12,160
tranquility of rural life, there was a

854
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:16,800
space missing. It's just a grammatical

855
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:19,040
thing.

856
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:21,200
Uh up

857
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:22,720
right

858
00:38:22,720 --> 00:38:28,640
rural life outdoor lighting down down right there. It needs a space and

859
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:31,119
then

860
00:38:31,119 --> 00:38:34,079
oh I'm going to open a can of worms.

861
00:38:34,079 --> 00:38:35,760
>> Nice guy.

862
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:37,839
>> If anybody has any

863
00:38:37,839 --> 00:38:39,680
>> I'm going to open it all your notes for

864
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:41,520
public comment.

865
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:46,960
Um, what? Okay, I understand.

866
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:49,520
But why did we remove in a recent public

867
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:51,440
survey, residents expressed support for

868
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:53,440
preserving dark skies and continuing to

869
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:55,920
limit artificial lighting?

870
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:58,240
This is what the residents wanted. We're

871
00:38:58,240 --> 00:39:01,040
just saying what the residents wanted. I

872
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:02,720
understand. We're not saying that we're

873
00:39:02,720 --> 00:39:05,040
going to do it.

874
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:06,560
Well, I think there is some

875
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:09,359
falsification in this verbiage to

876
00:39:09,359 --> 00:39:12,640
exaggerate what the research the survey

877
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:14,079
actually said.

878
00:39:14,079 --> 00:39:14,720
>> Okay.

879
00:39:14,720 --> 00:39:17,359
>> Right. So over 80% of residents

880
00:39:17,359 --> 00:39:18,800
indicated

881
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:22,160
>> it was 80% of those that took the survey

882
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:23,680
>> which was onlyund

883
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:26,720
>> which is a small small

884
00:39:26,720 --> 00:39:27,920
>> respondent

885
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:32,000
>> right? So it just it is stating

886
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:36,400
something far larger than actual.

887
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:36,800
>> Okay.

888
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:38,240
>> Is my assumption here.

889
00:39:38,240 --> 00:39:39,359
>> Can I

890
00:39:39,359 --> 00:39:40,320
>> Yes.

891
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:41,680
>> I'm going to add that also. I think

892
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:43,359
people didn't understand what dark skies

893
00:39:43,359 --> 00:39:46,079
and night skies. When you tell them dark

894
00:39:46,079 --> 00:39:48,160
skies, they're two different things than

895
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:51,119
night sky.

896
00:39:51,119 --> 00:39:53,760
And it leaned heavily into dark sky

897
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:56,720
which forces regulations. Night sky is

898
00:39:56,720 --> 00:39:57,920
what we

899
00:39:57,920 --> 00:39:59,440
>> I think it actually used the verbiage of

900
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:01,359
night skies in the survey.

901
00:40:01,359 --> 00:40:02,960
>> Did they use the word night sky? Night

902
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:03,200
sky.

903
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:05,200
>> So they used it here. Dark sky. Dark

904
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:05,839
sky.

905
00:40:05,839 --> 00:40:06,720
>> Mhm.

906
00:40:06,720 --> 00:40:09,440
>> And then here the city should take

907
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:11,680
proactive steps to prevent to preserve

908
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:13,760
our night sky.

909
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:14,640
>> So now

910
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:17,119
>> that's what I think I really agree with.

911
00:40:17,119 --> 00:40:20,560
Definitely preserve our what we have the

912
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:22,079
beauty we have.

913
00:40:22,079 --> 00:40:24,880
>> Do they want more policing? I don't know

914
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:29,280
>> cuz question one, two

915
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:34,079
used night sky and four used dark sky.

916
00:40:34,079 --> 00:40:38,230
>> I guess um

917
00:40:38,240 --> 00:40:42,880
I just, you know, if there's some way to

918
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:45,040
make that wording a little more correct,

919
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:45,920
but also

920
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:47,680
>> Diana had a good suggestion, maybe just

921
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:50,079
say not percent of respondents.

922
00:40:50,079 --> 00:40:50,400
>> Yeah.

923
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:53,520
Not% of residents.

924
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:55,359
I mean, I just I guess I don't want to

925
00:40:55,359 --> 00:40:57,200
discount what the people that took the

926
00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:59,839
survey did say and what they expressed.

927
00:40:59,839 --> 00:41:02,160
>> The approximately

928
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:04,800
40% of respondents or 30% that

929
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:07,119
responded, you know, 80% of those wanted

930
00:41:07,119 --> 00:41:08,000
or something like that.

931
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:10,240
>> Yeah, some kind of disclaimer. I know.

932
00:41:10,240 --> 00:41:12,640
I'm sorry. I'm I know that's a can of

933
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:14,079
worms, but

934
00:41:14,079 --> 00:41:15,760
>> it should be there.

935
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:17,040
>> But when you talk to residents, the

936
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:18,800
majority of them do want the night sky

937
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:20,079
preserved.

938
00:41:20,079 --> 00:41:24,000
>> The majority do sky. Night sky is fine.

939
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:24,640
>> Yes,

940
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:26,800
>> we we wanted to take it out of the dark

941
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:30,240
sky which implies ordinance changes for

942
00:41:30,240 --> 00:41:31,440
lighting,

943
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:32,000
>> I get it,

944
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:33,280
>> etc., etc.

945
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:34,480
>> No, I know.

946
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:38,319
>> It makes sense. Is dark sky trademarked

947
00:41:38,319 --> 00:41:41,920
or is it just the

948
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:44,720
>> It is. Yes.

949
00:41:44,720 --> 00:41:46,560
>> Huh?

950
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:50,240
>> Yes, it is trademarked. Um both US and

951
00:41:50,240 --> 00:41:54,630
international.

952
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:57,119
Yeah, I'll re I'll kind of reddraft that

953
00:41:57,119 --> 00:41:58,960
per your guys' input and send it back

954
00:41:58,960 --> 00:41:59,280
out.

955
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:00,240
>> Is that okay?

956
00:42:00,240 --> 00:42:00,960
>> Yeah.

957
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:01,599
>> Um,

958
00:42:01,599 --> 00:42:03,280
>> everything's okay.

959
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:07,359
>> Just a question. All right, let's see. I

960
00:42:07,359 --> 00:42:07,760
think

961
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:09,599
>> we'll go back to 39 real quick. We

962
00:42:09,599 --> 00:42:13,280
deleted the TDR program. Um,

963
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:14,160
>> 39.

964
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:18,000
>> Yeah, back to page 39. Sorry.

965
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,240
um

966
00:42:20,240 --> 00:42:22,880
>> strategic open space.

967
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:25,760
>> Was there a reason behind removing that?

968
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:28,560
I mean, what kind of the general idea

969
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:30,880
behind the TDR program is

970
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:32,319
>> we didn't think there was a chance of

971
00:42:32,319 --> 00:42:35,040
that even happening

972
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:38,400
and so we felt it was just kind of

973
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:41,920
extraneous. It's an idea but chances of

974
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:44,240
it ever happening

975
00:42:44,240 --> 00:42:47,040
in our view again may differ with your

976
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:53,030
own but that's the reason it was reowned

977
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:55,040
» the transfer of development rights can

978
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:57,520
you explain that better Steve

979
00:42:57,520 --> 00:42:58,720
>> I can't

980
00:42:58,720 --> 00:42:59,359
>> okay

981
00:42:59,359 --> 00:43:00,319
>> category

982
00:43:00,319 --> 00:43:02,480
>> is that like what we did with a planned

983
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:06,079
unit development if they um gave

984
00:43:06,079 --> 00:43:09,440
property to the city we gave them a

985
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:12,240
density bonus then. But the property

986
00:43:12,240 --> 00:43:14,079
that was given to the city most of the

987
00:43:14,079 --> 00:43:16,319
time was uh

988
00:43:16,319 --> 00:43:17,040
>> gorgees

989
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:19,520
>> gorges and gullies that we then ended up

990
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:22,560
having to maintain and have our wildland

991
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:24,319
fire crew.

992
00:43:24,319 --> 00:43:26,000
>> It was never buildable in the first

993
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:29,520
place. While it's a

994
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:32,400
unique FE feature, it wouldn't have

995
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:36,079
provided them any benefit and it really

996
00:43:36,079 --> 00:43:37,839
didn't

997
00:43:37,839 --> 00:43:41,200
>> provide us any benefit maybe. But we did

998
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:45,440
do that with um PBD and Oaks.

999
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:46,960
>> Okay.

1000
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:49,440
So, as we talk about that, is is there

1001
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:52,480
Joe, you seem to understand it best. um

1002
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:54,960
like when we trade off like let's say we

1003
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:57,760
allow a higher density for a tradeoff of

1004
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:00,319
dedicated land like a right of way or

1005
00:44:00,319 --> 00:44:02,000
something like that is is there benefit

1006
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:04,319
on that front where we can dictate and

1007
00:44:04,319 --> 00:44:06,720
say okay we're going to give you better

1008
00:44:06,720 --> 00:44:08,160
density you're going to make the

1009
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:10,720
improvements or dedicate right of way to

1010
00:44:10,720 --> 00:44:12,640
us that we can actually use

1011
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:13,760
>> usually do that in a development

1012
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:14,960
agreement if you're going to do

1013
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:16,400
something like that which they have a

1014
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:17,520
choice to do

1015
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:18,400
>> okay

1016
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:19,920
>> um

1017
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:21,599
maybe we need to encourage more

1018
00:44:21,599 --> 00:44:25,040
development agreements than not. I mean,

1019
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:26,880
that's that may be something you want to

1020
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:28,000
look at

1021
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:30,640
>> as um a council as you go forward. If

1022
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:32,960
they bring a you could look at changing

1023
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:34,480
the ordinance and say, you know, if

1024
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:36,880
you've got more than 10 acres, you're

1025
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:38,560
required to bring a development

1026
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:40,880
agreement with it that might benefit the

1027
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:43,359
city, but that would be down in our our

1028
00:44:43,359 --> 00:44:45,359
city code

1029
00:44:45,359 --> 00:44:47,280
>> those changes. It's currently at like

1030
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:50,160
five acres or something or

1031
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:50,960
>> 50 acres.

1032
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:53,280
>> 50 acres. Wow. Okay.

1033
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:55,440
>> It's you can do a development agreement

1034
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:58,400
with um I think it's 10 acres in the old

1035
00:44:58,400 --> 00:44:58,880
area

1036
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:01,920
>> and any PUD I think requires a

1037
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:04,480
development agreement

1038
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:07,200
and then zone for a PUD.

1039
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:08,880
But if you want to get more creative in

1040
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:11,119
how the zoning's going to look or how a

1041
00:45:11,119 --> 00:45:12,640
development's going to look, then you

1042
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:15,200
want to probably definitely look at

1043
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:18,160
encouraging those development agreements

1044
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:19,440
and a PUD.

1045
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:21,760
>> So, so that serves every purpose that a

1046
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:23,839
TDR program would, but a little more

1047
00:45:23,839 --> 00:45:26,000
flexibility, it sounds like. Okay.

1048
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:28,000
>> Yeah. A little more customizability as

1049
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:31,359
well. I think one thing I've learned as

1050
00:45:31,359 --> 00:45:33,200
I've kind of worked closer now with

1051
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:35,359
developers and Ted and Wayne and

1052
00:45:35,359 --> 00:45:37,839
everybody is

1053
00:45:37,839 --> 00:45:40,319
every single piece of land on this city

1054
00:45:40,319 --> 00:45:43,839
is almost unique to that piece of land,

1055
00:45:43,839 --> 00:45:45,839
right? I got a phone call yesterday from

1056
00:45:45,839 --> 00:45:47,920
a resident. I need to call him back, but

1057
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:50,160
you know, requesting a variance for his

1058
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:52,400
exception on his piece of land. And it's

1059
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:56,480
like, well, that'd be great,

1060
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:58,240
except I we'd have to do that for every

1061
00:45:58,240 --> 00:45:59,680
single person. So, we kind of have to

1062
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:02,319
stick to certain rules, but it's there's

1063
00:46:02,319 --> 00:46:04,079
options still also with the variance

1064
00:46:04,079 --> 00:46:05,599
options.

1065
00:46:05,599 --> 00:46:07,280
There's still options within people's

1066
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:09,680
rights and property ownership.

1067
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:11,680
>> Okay, next page.

1068
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:14,480
>> 48. Uh, at the bottom, those are blurry

1069
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:17,040
as well. A little exporting.

1070
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:20,480
>> Hang on. I had some Ted or uh Ben, did

1071
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:23,520
you or mayor, sorry, did you fix the

1072
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:25,920
ones that were sent in that were just

1073
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:27,599
spelling?

1074
00:46:27,599 --> 00:46:28,640
>> Yes.

1075
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:29,920
>> Okay. So, I don't need to bring those

1076
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:34,309
up. I don't need until 40.

1077
00:46:34,319 --> 00:46:37,040
» If you sent it to me, it's either been

1078
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:41,040
edited or on my list still to edit.

1079
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:43,839
>> I I sent it to you back on the 24th of

1080
00:46:43,839 --> 00:46:45,920
March. Okay, I received yours and

1081
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:49,520
Steve's emails.

1082
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:52,079
>> Um,

1083
00:46:52,079 --> 00:46:55,440
not anything specific on chapter five.

1084
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:57,839
So, like back, but I do have a question.

1085
00:46:57,839 --> 00:47:01,119
Uh, I was thinking about this.

1086
00:47:01,119 --> 00:47:02,880
We have, you know, three big main

1087
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:05,920
corridors out of town. Ted, this is a

1088
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:08,880
question for you. As if we were fully

1089
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:11,440
developed out, would our roads be would

1090
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:12,800
they ever I mean, do we ever need

1091
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:14,640
another main corridor? like will we ever

1092
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:17,119
be too congested?

1093
00:47:17,119 --> 00:47:19,520
>> I don't think so because most of the

1094
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:21,520
development that that we have left

1095
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:22,880
available space

1096
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:25,280
>> is at the bottom.

1097
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:28,480
>> Um and we're looking at as that develops

1098
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:30,240
making some interconnecting roads to

1099
00:47:30,240 --> 00:47:32,720
different in other words not just one

1100
00:47:32,720 --> 00:47:34,240
road into there right multiple

1101
00:47:34,240 --> 00:47:37,599
connections down there. Um, so I don't

1102
00:47:37,599 --> 00:47:41,200
know that we'd ever have enough traffic

1103
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:42,960
to clog up our roads, our three main

1104
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:43,520
corridors.

1105
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:45,040
>> Okay. I just wondered that as I was

1106
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:49,510
reading about the roads.

1107
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:53,109
» Winding them.

1108
00:47:53,119 --> 00:47:54,640
would be a nightmare

1109
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:55,200
anyway.

1110
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:57,200
>> No, it would for sure. It's already hard

1111
00:47:57,200 --> 00:47:59,520
enough trying to get trail right.

1112
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:00,480
>> Mhm. Our

1113
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:01,839
>> traffic counts right now. They didn't

1114
00:48:01,839 --> 00:48:03,599
they did a study on Wood Hills Drive as

1115
00:48:03,599 --> 00:48:05,760
part of that round study.

1116
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:07,839
I mean out of our city traffic and it

1117
00:48:07,839 --> 00:48:13,280
wasn't terribly heavy right now traffic.

1118
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:15,359
>> Okay. Next.

1119
00:48:15,359 --> 00:48:16,560
>> Anybody

1120
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:17,920
>> just did you see that email that I

1121
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:20,319
forwarded on the Bonavville the trail

1122
00:48:20,319 --> 00:48:20,720
thing?

1123
00:48:20,720 --> 00:48:25,109
>> I saw that. I saw it.

1124
00:48:25,119 --> 00:48:25,599
» Yeah.

1125
00:48:25,599 --> 00:48:26,800
>> It's in my email.

1126
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:28,960
>> I I mean they sent it to me. Oh, okay.

1127
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:32,400
Wait. On page 63. That little pie is

1128
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:34,480
blurry.

1129
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:37,200
Yeah, we we'll fix all the graphics.

1130
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:41,200
>> Okay. And then 65, the map is blurry.

1131
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:42,319
And that's interesting. That's the

1132
00:48:42,319 --> 00:48:43,920
Bonavville

1133
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:45,680
shoreline trail configuration. And

1134
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:49,200
that's what the email was about.

1135
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:52,319
>> Yeah. Ted and I used or mostly Ted used

1136
00:48:52,319 --> 00:48:55,200
that and hopefully to be able to get and

1137
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:57,760
petition the the funding for the trail

1138
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:00,319
project from MAG is the interlocal

1139
00:49:00,319 --> 00:49:03,599
nature of our trail.

1140
00:49:03,599 --> 00:49:05,520
Okay.

1141
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:07,040
Um,

1142
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:09,520
yeah, just I thought this was good. I

1143
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:17,589
didn't have any really concerns on the trail one.

1144
00:49:17,599 --> 00:49:19,680
I almost uh when I first started reading

1145
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:21,040
the part of the switchbacks, I was like,

1146
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:23,520
it doesn't talk about the the width, but

1147
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:26,400
then it does on the next page on trail

1148
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:29,200
tread about the width limitation. I just

1149
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:32,319
think that's important.

1150
00:49:32,319 --> 00:49:33,839
because that is a change that's been

1151
00:49:33,839 --> 00:49:37,270
made.

1152
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:39,680
You you suggested in here that it needs

1153
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:44,549
more maintenance. Thanks.

1154
00:49:44,559 --> 00:49:47,280
» Guess who's going to have to go do that?

1155
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:49,920
Me

1156
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:54,400
with Sherry and crew will be out there

1157
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:56,880
in May probably.

1158
00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:59,040
Um,

1159
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:01,280
yeah. So, that was I think that was all

1160
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:02,720
I had.

1161
00:50:02,720 --> 00:50:05,200
>> Most most of mine were simp just

1162
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:06,960
graphics unreadable.

1163
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:07,280
>> Yeah.

1164
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:09,280
>> And I saw that Steve had one of his

1165
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:13,119
initial email a lot of that out. So,

1166
00:50:13,119 --> 00:50:14,640
>> yeah.

1167
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:17,280
I I think only a couple things on page

1168
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:20,160
42 or sorry, were you done, Dan? Sorry.

1169
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:21,280
>> Yep.

1170
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:25,520
Um 42, deleting the the overlay zone for

1171
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:27,359
future zone changes in development. Is

1172
00:50:27,359 --> 00:50:29,200
that kind of a similar mentality we had

1173
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:36,309
there? Um

1174
00:50:36,319 --> 00:50:37,760
» what's planning commission's thoughts

1175
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:39,920
there on three?

1176
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:40,720
>> Can you read it?

1177
00:50:40,720 --> 00:50:42,800
>> Use the overlay zone criteria to

1178
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:45,040
evaluate proposed site plans,

1179
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:47,040
architectural renderings, and

1180
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:50,400
development agreements.

1181
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:53,040
Uh the section header is explore

1182
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:54,800
commercial and mixeduse development

1183
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:57,280
opportunities that align with public

1184
00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:02,470
preferences and community character.

1185
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:05,200
So is that excluded primarily due to the

1186
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:07,200
fact of

1187
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:09,040
um

1188
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:13,520
removing that future possible map and

1189
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:15,839
changing it to the existing

1190
00:51:15,839 --> 00:51:19,359
>> number two above it says consider zoning

1191
00:51:19,359 --> 00:51:21,440
overlays.

1192
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:23,359
I I think we thought it was maybe

1193
00:51:23,359 --> 00:51:31,109
duplicitous a little bit. Mhm.

1194
00:51:31,119 --> 00:51:34,319
Okay. I mean, if I were if I were to

1195
00:51:34,319 --> 00:51:36,160
look at those two, I would say that

1196
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:38,240
three is probably more applicable than

1197
00:51:38,240 --> 00:51:40,000
two if we feel like one of them's

1198
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:43,119
duplicitus. But I mean, I do like the

1199
00:51:43,119 --> 00:51:45,440
idea of talking about village commercial

1200
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:47,520
or mixed use architecturally compatible

1201
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:49,040
stuff. But I also like the development

1202
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:50,640
agreements,

1203
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:52,319
um, architectural renderings, that sort

1204
00:51:52,319 --> 00:51:53,520
of thing. So I

1205
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:56,079
>> and it's it's more holistic.

1206
00:51:56,079 --> 00:51:57,599
That one's

1207
00:51:57,599 --> 00:51:59,599
>> two points out very specific components

1208
00:51:59,599 --> 00:52:02,319
of development etc. Whereas number three

1209
00:52:02,319 --> 00:52:03,680
is a little more generic

1210
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:05,440
>> and could be applied to two

1211
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:07,040
>> whereas two doesn't necessarily apply to

1212
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:08,720
three and three is more broad.

1213
00:52:08,720 --> 00:52:09,040
>> Yeah,

1214
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:10,960
>> it's kind of how I feel. So I I don't

1215
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:12,559
know. That's just my thoughts is that

1216
00:52:12,559 --> 00:52:16,960
it's applicable. Yeah. that I mean

1217
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:17,520
this

1218
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:19,040
>> or if you want to read or if you want

1219
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:21,599
just this like I would parlay this one

1220
00:52:21,599 --> 00:52:23,200
over that because it's just more

1221
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:25,119
inclusive because it's talking about

1222
00:52:25,119 --> 00:52:26,400
full development agreements

1223
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:28,000
architectural rentings this is specific

1224
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:30,640
to commercial mixuse etc. So, if you

1225
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:32,000
want to keep one of them, I think what

1226
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:34,079
Steve is saying is this one seems to be

1227
00:52:34,079 --> 00:52:36,400
more inclusive of everything versus

1228
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:37,280
number two.

1229
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:38,319
>> Is that what you're saying?

1230
00:52:38,319 --> 00:52:39,599
>> Yeah. Yeah.

1231
00:52:39,599 --> 00:52:46,069
>> I would agree.

1232
00:52:46,079 --> 00:52:49,040
» Okay.

1233
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:50,880
>> Um

1234
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:54,720
page 50, um the ADG,

1235
00:52:54,720 --> 00:52:57,119
some opposition to the ADG there. Again,

1236
00:52:57,119 --> 00:52:58,720
I just wanted to understand that a

1237
00:52:58,720 --> 00:53:04,870
little bit more.

1238
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:08,079
boost number

1239
00:53:08,079 --> 00:53:09,680
page 50 there.

1240
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:12,480
>> Yeah, page let's see architectural

1241
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:16,720
design guidelines. Um right there on C.

1242
00:53:16,720 --> 00:53:18,400
>> Okay, that was my question was which

1243
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:19,119
one?

1244
00:53:19,119 --> 00:53:23,599
>> Yeah, I'm sorry. C one. um ensure that

1245
00:53:23,599 --> 00:53:26,559
only any overlay or master plan approval

1246
00:53:26,559 --> 00:53:28,640
includes architectural design guideline

1247
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:32,079
options. Um

1248
00:53:32,079 --> 00:53:33,920
there again I mean without being too

1249
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:37,920
restrictive or or too too controlling

1250
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:40,240
you know if if we do see something like

1251
00:53:40,240 --> 00:53:42,000
that doesn't that not give us the

1252
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:44,960
ability to dictate that hey this is what

1253
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:47,680
we're expecting to see there within

1254
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:50,800
architectural design guidelines.

1255
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:52,559
I think we're telling them they have to

1256
00:53:52,559 --> 00:53:56,240
provide it, ensure that

1257
00:53:56,240 --> 00:53:59,599
and I think that's really pretty strong.

1258
00:53:59,599 --> 00:54:03,440
Uh it may be a better word to include

1259
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:05,119
that

1260
00:54:05,119 --> 00:54:07,920
in there. I think that's the reason we

1261
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:13,040
removed it to not be so emphatic

1262
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:15,680
about it.

1263
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:18,559
Use the term may instead.

1264
00:54:18,559 --> 00:54:22,160
>> Yeah. Yeah. I I I mean it makes sense. I

1265
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:24,640
guess it's it's just a matter of how

1266
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:28,319
important is

1267
00:54:28,319 --> 00:54:30,400
are dictating,

1268
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:31,839
you know, what goes on down there

1269
00:54:31,839 --> 00:54:33,200
architecturally. Is it

1270
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:34,480
>> some things?

1271
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:34,800
>> Yeah.

1272
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:37,359
>> Some things we can't.

1273
00:54:37,359 --> 00:54:37,920
>> Um

1274
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:41,440
>> so, something like that

1275
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:44,160
>> may include clear architectural design

1276
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:48,950
guidelines for multif family housing.

1277
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:52,720
Unless we establish an HOA, we can't

1278
00:54:52,720 --> 00:54:55,200
uh determine architectural design

1279
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:56,880
guidelines.

1280
00:54:56,880 --> 00:54:59,040
>> So, and that's where I've got a problem

1281
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:04,000
with this page because it says um that

1282
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:06,720
it's uh you know, architecture. Well,

1283
00:55:06,720 --> 00:55:11,200
actually 49 talks about it being um the

1284
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:13,200
architectural features and layout are

1285
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:16,079
strictly controlled by the city. Well,

1286
00:55:16,079 --> 00:55:17,920
when it comes to features, that is

1287
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:20,240
nonstructural for the most part. I mean,

1288
00:55:20,240 --> 00:55:22,400
we can control structural features,

1289
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:24,720
structural architectural features, but

1290
00:55:24,720 --> 00:55:26,240
we cannot control anything that's

1291
00:55:26,240 --> 00:55:28,640
nonstructural. That's very specific. I

1292
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:32,400
learned that from Wayne. Um, and so I

1293
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:34,240
hate I don't like the way this is

1294
00:55:34,240 --> 00:55:39,920
spelled because it spells like it's it's worded like we have lots of control

1295
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:42,880
and we're controlling the these these

1296
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:46,079
architectural features when we're in in

1297
00:55:46,079 --> 00:55:48,480
reality we're not. It's only the

1298
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:50,480
structural ones that we have any say

1299
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:56,309
whatsoever.

1300
00:55:56,319 --> 00:55:58,400
You have a suggested uh alteration

1301
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:00,880
there, Brian.

1302
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:02,960
>> Um

1303
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:04,480
there are a few features through our

1304
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:06,480
other codes that we do just a little bit

1305
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:08,960
like height of the building

1306
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:11,119
and then some of the exterior materials

1307
00:56:11,119 --> 00:56:14,240
because of our wood codes, but I don't

1308
00:56:14,240 --> 00:56:17,680
know it's really that

1309
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:19,359
>> okay.

1310
00:56:19,359 --> 00:56:21,280
I think we have to get out of there that

1311
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:23,760
the council retains strict control over

1312
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:25,200
architectural features and layouts

1313
00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:28,319
because we don't we can't.

1314
00:56:28,319 --> 00:56:30,160
>> Well, we don't want to either.

1315
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:33,040
>> Yeah. The whole title of that page 49 is

1316
00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:39,109
just wrong.

1317
00:56:39,119 --> 00:56:43,589
» Yeah. So, you're thinking right here.

1318
00:56:43,599 --> 00:56:45,280
I can

1319
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:49,829
>> that.

1320
00:56:49,839 --> 00:57:01,109
» Yeah, that that whole line right there.

1321
00:57:01,119 --> 00:57:04,960
» Okay. Anything else?

1322
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:07,040
Um,

1323
00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:10,559
page 60 talks about feedback from the

1324
00:57:10,559 --> 00:57:13,280
city from from the respondents to avoid

1325
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:17,119
sidewalks, but a lot of favoritism

1326
00:57:17,119 --> 00:57:21,200
toward trails. So, I guess in my mind,

1327
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:23,040
they were kind of one and the same, but

1328
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:26,960
apparently not. I mean, a trail is just

1329
00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:30,160
a paved pathway and a sidewalk is

1330
00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:32,720
>> a paved pathway.

1331
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:34,960
>> Yeah. I don't know.

1332
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:36,799
>> I think a sidewalk has to is is

1333
00:57:36,799 --> 00:57:37,680
concrete.

1334
00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:39,119
>> Okay.

1335
00:57:39,119 --> 00:57:39,839
>> Um

1336
00:57:39,839 --> 00:57:41,920
>> the width changes a little bit with

1337
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:44,799
sidewalk versus trail material

1338
00:57:44,799 --> 00:57:46,240
>> drainage requirements.

1339
00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:50,160
>> Okay. So, so when we talk about trails,

1340
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:52,799
we're not talking about sidewalks at

1341
00:57:52,799 --> 00:57:54,640
all. Okay. I mean, I just

1342
00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:56,000
>> No.

1343
00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:58,480
>> Okay.

1344
00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:00,400
And then page 61, my last comment,

1345
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:01,760
sorry, was um

1346
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:02,559
>> don't be sorry.

1347
00:58:02,559 --> 00:58:09,109
>> The strong language about the trails. Um

1348
00:58:09,119 --> 00:58:10,400
» striking here.

1349
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:14,870
>> Yeah. Um

1350
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:17,760
so so we we struck that out. Um but it

1351
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:19,920
seems pretty clear that that's an

1352
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:21,040
important thing.

1353
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:24,640
>> Yeah. I I actually didn't love that that

1354
00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:29,119
uh was struck stricken. It is expected.

1355
00:58:29,119 --> 00:58:34,630
>> Can we soften it somehow? I mean um

1356
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:36,720
an important component or

1357
00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:38,960
>> highly desired. Highly desired. I like

1358
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:40,240
highly desired.

1359
00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:42,720
>> Yeah. I mean is that agreeable at that

1360
00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:45,359
point? Um

1361
00:58:45,359 --> 00:58:46,720
>> yeah. If you just if you just put is

1362
00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:48,079
highly desired and then get rid of the

1363
00:58:48,079 --> 00:58:49,920
is it is expected. Yeah. Yeah.

1364
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:51,359
>> It takes the strength out, but it still

1365
00:58:51,359 --> 00:58:52,640
gives it strength back, right?

1366
00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:53,599
>> Yeah. Yeah.

1367
00:58:53,599 --> 00:58:55,680
>> It doesn't make it like four exclamation

1368
00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:57,599
points, but it does make it one,

1369
00:58:57,599 --> 00:58:58,319
>> right?

1370
00:58:58,319 --> 00:58:59,280
>> Something like that.

1371
00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:01,520
>> Yeah, I think that's that's good. Does

1372
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:02,480
that seem good?

1373
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:03,760
>> Yeah.

1374
00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:04,559
>> When?

1375
00:59:04,559 --> 00:59:06,160
>> Yeah.

1376
00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:08,000
>> Okay.

1377
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:08,400
>> All right.

1378
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:09,280
>> Anything else?

1379
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:11,760
>> I've got a couple more.

1380
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:13,599
>> I mean, I had some spelling and and

1381
00:59:13,599 --> 00:59:16,079
things like that on page 46.

1382
00:59:16,079 --> 00:59:20,559
Um I put in my notes that um the the new

1383
00:59:20,559 --> 00:59:24,480
numbers for the median Woodlands home Woodland Hills home price is not

1384
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:26,720
reflected in the table

1385
00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:28,480
um because we've added that because

1386
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:30,240
we've gotten more data since this was

1387
00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:32,079
put together that needs to be added to

1388
00:59:32,079 --> 00:59:37,680
the table um because it doesn't match.

1389
00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:41,040
>> Okay. So, you're saying this table here?

1390
00:59:41,040 --> 00:59:43,200
>> I think I think that's the right

1391
00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:45,200
>> I think that's the right table, but it

1392
00:59:45,200 --> 00:59:47,839
was a median home where they had put

1393
00:59:47,839 --> 00:59:50,559
some numbers in and then Wayne added the

1394
00:59:50,559 --> 00:59:54,079
new median home price

1395
00:59:54,079 --> 00:59:55,119
and it just did.

1396
00:59:55,119 --> 00:59:59,839
>> These are these are specific to years,

1397
00:59:59,839 --> 01:00:02,880
right? So, this is 2020 or 2017 and

1398
01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:04,400
2023.

1399
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:06,400
>> I think it's the top one. doesn't match

1400
01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:10,720
what is in the new verb verbiage

1401
01:00:10,720 --> 01:00:12,319
>> as of 2023.

1402
01:00:12,319 --> 01:00:17,829
>> Yeah, these are as of 2023 right here.

1403
01:00:17,839 --> 01:00:19,680
» So, I think the non-correlation actually

1404
01:00:19,680 --> 01:00:22,319
is okay

1405
01:00:22,319 --> 01:00:24,000
because this is now stating the numbers

1406
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:26,240
of 2025.

1407
01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:28,400
>> Is it related to the one up on the upper

1408
01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:29,839
right? Is that the one you're referring

1409
01:00:29,839 --> 01:00:31,680
to, Brian?

1410
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:36,079
Um might be

1411
01:00:36,079 --> 01:00:38,480
>> well that's 2023 that's a carryover

1412
01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:40,960
rate.

1413
01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:44,559
>> Yeah that that would yeah should be

1414
01:00:44,559 --> 01:00:45,839
>> oh I don't think

1415
01:00:45,839 --> 01:00:48,400
>> it too long. Dang it.

1416
01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:51,520
>> It's okay. So loan amount factor.

1417
01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:52,880
>> Yeah. I wonder if that's a carryover

1418
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:54,559
from the table. Huh.

1419
01:00:54,559 --> 01:00:56,559
>> I don't think it is. I don't think it is

1420
01:00:56,559 --> 01:00:57,359
because you've got a

1421
01:00:57,359 --> 01:00:58,079
>> because it has a

1422
01:00:58,079 --> 01:00:58,960
>> you've got a footnote

1423
01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:01,119
>> a footnote here and then a different

1424
01:01:01,119 --> 01:01:03,280
footnote for this one. So I think it's

1425
01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:04,079
not.

1426
01:01:04,079 --> 01:01:06,720
>> So during 2025 there was 25 home 21

1427
01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:08,720
homes sold in Willen Hills for pricing

1428
01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:13,440
ranging from 750 to 3.5. Medium home

1429
01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:17,119
cost price was uh 1.0

1430
01:01:17,119 --> 01:01:19,520
you know25. The average home selling

1431
01:01:19,520 --> 01:01:24,069
price was 1.4.

1432
01:01:24,079 --> 01:01:29,440
So, Wooden Hills medium home price

1433
01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:31,200
loan amounts factoring. It does not

1434
01:01:31,200 --> 01:01:37,440
include utilities for the 2025 estimate.

1435
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:40,559
>> So, do we just need a bump? Well,

1436
01:01:40,559 --> 01:01:41,680
>> that's up.

1437
01:01:41,680 --> 01:01:43,920
>> That might have been it.

1438
01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:46,000
>> Yeah. My question is, can you can you

1439
01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:50,240
have the median there? That's the way I

1440
01:01:50,240 --> 01:01:52,880
read that is 510 to 880 is a is a range

1441
01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:54,640
median range, right?

1442
01:01:54,640 --> 01:01:55,760
>> Otherwise, we would have to have a

1443
01:01:55,760 --> 01:01:57,200
singular number. If you say median, it's

1444
01:01:57,200 --> 01:01:59,200
a singular value. But if we put in

1445
01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:01,520
median range,

1446
01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:05,119
>> then that gives us the the low end and

1447
01:02:05,119 --> 01:02:06,799
highend capability there.

1448
01:02:06,799 --> 01:02:08,640
>> So, we probably what should jump this

1449
01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:09,119
though?

1450
01:02:09,119 --> 01:02:12,400
>> Yeah, that but well, even the bottom cuz

1451
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:15,359
you're saying ranging from 750 to 35.

1452
01:02:15,359 --> 01:02:18,160
So, how can the median be 510? because

1453
01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:21,280
it was in 2017 to

1454
01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:22,400
so they're old numbers.

1455
01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:24,000
>> There's some old numbers in there mixed

1456
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:26,160
with new numbers. Right. These these are

1457
01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:28,480
>> a different table than this one down

1458
01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:29,040
here.

1459
01:02:29,040 --> 01:02:29,920
>> This is

1460
01:02:29,920 --> 01:02:31,680
>> I don't think it's supposed to be. I

1461
01:02:31,680 --> 01:02:33,520
think it was originally on the same but

1462
01:02:33,520 --> 01:02:36,079
let me pull up the original document.

1463
01:02:36,079 --> 01:02:38,000
>> No, it's my question. Is it part of that

1464
01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:39,119
or is it different?

1465
01:02:39,119 --> 01:02:40,880
>> I don't think so. That makes the best

1466
01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:42,880
sense

1467
01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:44,400
>> because if it's different then we want

1468
01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:47,520
to update it. it but if it's the same

1469
01:02:47,520 --> 01:02:49,520
>> I guess the the question would be for me

1470
01:02:49,520 --> 01:02:52,079
is is there value in showing a median

1471
01:02:52,079 --> 01:02:53,599
range over the course of a six-year

1472
01:02:53,599 --> 01:02:55,280
period or should we show the most recent

1473
01:02:55,280 --> 01:02:56,720
data median range

1474
01:02:56,720 --> 01:02:59,359
>> well let me ask this this may help does

1475
01:02:59,359 --> 01:03:01,119
anybody have an issue if I actually just

1476
01:03:01,119 --> 01:03:04,160
remove this

1477
01:03:04,160 --> 01:03:06,960
>> does the old data

1478
01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:07,520
>> the old

1479
01:03:07,520 --> 01:03:10,720
>> that may shift my alignments here which

1480
01:03:10,720 --> 01:03:11,920
answers our question

1481
01:03:11,920 --> 01:03:13,440
>> yeah you can just control C

1482
01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:15,039
>> so there it

1483
01:03:15,039 --> 01:03:15,599
Oh,

1484
01:03:15,599 --> 01:03:16,480
>> there you go.

1485
01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:18,079
>> Okay,

1486
01:03:18,079 --> 01:03:18,880
>> that makes sense.

1487
01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:20,559
>> Now I need to put this back to 550.

1488
01:03:20,559 --> 01:03:21,839
>> Okay, so that makes sense why there's

1489
01:03:21,839 --> 01:03:23,359
two.

1490
01:03:23,359 --> 01:03:24,960
>> Okay.

1491
01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:26,799
>> All right, perfect.

1492
01:03:26,799 --> 01:03:29,280
>> Yeah, because it was it almost looked

1493
01:03:29,280 --> 01:03:30,880
like it because it did that one little

1494
01:03:30,880 --> 01:03:32,400
footnote. It looked like it was almost

1495
01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:32,960
its own.

1496
01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:34,000
>> Yeah.

1497
01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:36,799
>> Does that resolve your question, Brian?

1498
01:03:36,799 --> 01:03:39,839
>> Yeah, but it's I don't know. I've got

1499
01:03:39,839 --> 01:03:42,240
something something is going on with my

1500
01:03:42,240 --> 01:03:44,960
copy of it that I can't see everything

1501
01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:47,119
properly. But I think I think that does

1502
01:03:47,119 --> 01:03:51,589
I think that makes more sense.

1503
01:03:51,599 --> 01:03:56,069
Um the next one

1504
01:03:56,079 --> 01:03:58,000
um page

1505
01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:00,559
49.

1506
01:04:00,559 --> 01:04:02,240
Um,

1507
01:04:02,240 --> 01:04:08,799
so I guess that one's more of a if we're taking out or because we we

1508
01:04:08,799 --> 01:04:11,280
deleted the or is unbuildable due to

1509
01:04:11,280 --> 01:04:13,119
topographic constraints, we have to get

1510
01:04:13,119 --> 01:04:16,880
rid of the either. Can't have either

1511
01:04:16,880 --> 01:04:21,270
without an or

1512
01:04:21,280 --> 01:04:23,119
» Okay, let me see if I can track what

1513
01:04:23,119 --> 01:04:26,079
you're saying here. Wait, that's on 49.

1514
01:04:26,079 --> 01:04:28,079
>> That's what I've That's what I've got as

1515
01:04:28,079 --> 01:04:31,119
49. Um

1516
01:04:31,119 --> 01:04:33,119
>> I don't see the strike for

1517
01:04:33,119 --> 01:04:37,680
>> so or is unbuildable due to so the

1518
01:04:37,680 --> 01:04:41,670
either is where

1519
01:04:41,680 --> 01:04:42,480
» yeah I don't

1520
01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:44,240
>> available land within Woodland Hills is

1521
01:04:44,240 --> 01:04:45,680
either platted for future

1522
01:04:45,680 --> 01:04:47,280
>> either you got to pick either

1523
01:04:47,280 --> 01:04:53,430
>> family homes on mediumsiz lots

1524
01:04:53,440 --> 01:04:55,680
» either Woodland Hills is either do you

1525
01:04:55,680 --> 01:04:56,079
see it

1526
01:04:56,079 --> 01:04:57,359
>> I haven't found it yet either

1527
01:04:57,359 --> 01:04:59,680
>> either second

1528
01:04:59,680 --> 01:05:01,760
I say I have it on my finger on it.

1529
01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:03,920
>> Where are you? I'm not seeing where

1530
01:05:03,920 --> 01:05:06,079
you're at on that screen.

1531
01:05:06,079 --> 01:05:08,079
>> You got it, Brian.

1532
01:05:08,079 --> 01:05:10,640
>> Yeah, this is the issue with the way in

1533
01:05:10,640 --> 01:05:14,480
design operates is as I add larger

1534
01:05:14,480 --> 01:05:15,839
chunks

1535
01:05:15,839 --> 01:05:18,960
>> changing stuff. So, I've got an edit

1536
01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:21,200
process now that I get to go through

1537
01:05:21,200 --> 01:05:22,960
after we've done all this kind of a

1538
01:05:22,960 --> 01:05:24,960
layout.

1539
01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:25,520
Okay.

1540
01:05:25,520 --> 01:05:29,200
>> All right. Another thing on same page 49

1541
01:05:29,200 --> 01:05:31,760
um it states this suggests that multif

1542
01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:34,160
family housing such as town homes condo

1543
01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:35,599
and condos can be built in Woodland

1544
01:05:35,599 --> 01:05:37,359
Hills provided the council retains oh

1545
01:05:37,359 --> 01:05:38,480
wait we've already talked about that

1546
01:05:38,480 --> 01:05:41,760
sorry page 50

1547
01:05:41,760 --> 01:05:44,880
sorry about that okay in page 50

1548
01:05:44,880 --> 01:05:46,960
um

1549
01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:49,039
this is where the title is wrong there

1550
01:05:49,039 --> 01:05:51,440
is no realistic opportunity for moderate

1551
01:05:51,440 --> 01:05:54,720
income housing woodland

1552
01:05:54,720 --> 01:05:57,760
>> yeah It's not feasible. I don't I think

1553
01:05:57,760 --> 01:06:00,079
that's just that's that's false

1554
01:06:00,079 --> 01:06:01,760
advertising.

1555
01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:03,760
Um we just don't there's nothing that

1556
01:06:03,760 --> 01:06:06,799
there's no way to make that realistic.

1557
01:06:06,799 --> 01:06:07,200
>> Um

1558
01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:09,440
>> I agree and yeah

1559
01:06:09,440 --> 01:06:13,680
>> so maybe about it at the end of 49. Um

1560
01:06:13,680 --> 01:06:15,920
>> may not be as realistic but the state is

1561
01:06:15,920 --> 01:06:17,200
required to address it.

1562
01:06:17,200 --> 01:06:18,319
>> Yeah.

1563
01:06:18,319 --> 01:06:19,760
>> So we can't just take it out. We have to

1564
01:06:19,760 --> 01:06:22,000
somehow address it in our general. Well,

1565
01:06:22,000 --> 01:06:24,960
I think actually you guys are I think

1566
01:06:24,960 --> 01:06:28,400
there is a potential option for moderate

1567
01:06:28,400 --> 01:06:30,319
income housing

1568
01:06:30,319 --> 01:06:32,400
when it comes to ADUs,

1569
01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:35,829
>> right?

1570
01:06:35,839 --> 01:06:37,520
» That's that's our only option for

1571
01:06:37,520 --> 01:06:39,119
affordable housing.

1572
01:06:39,119 --> 01:06:41,680
>> And I think you've got also basement

1573
01:06:41,680 --> 01:06:44,160
rentals, right? which is why we went

1574
01:06:44,160 --> 01:06:46,400
down that path with the legislation we

1575
01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:50,000
passed over the last couple years was to

1576
01:06:50,000 --> 01:06:52,319
create carve out the ability to have

1577
01:06:52,319 --> 01:06:56,799
some form of moderate income housing,

1578
01:06:56,799 --> 01:06:58,640
>> right? Like I'm planning to just move

1579
01:06:58,640 --> 01:07:01,520
into Steve's guest house here soon. So,

1580
01:07:01,520 --> 01:07:03,599
>> me too.

1581
01:07:03,599 --> 01:07:05,119
>> You want to talk?

1582
01:07:05,119 --> 01:07:06,960
>> But what we're talking about here other

1583
01:07:06,960 --> 01:07:08,880
than other than addressing internal and

1584
01:07:08,880 --> 01:07:12,000
external ADUs is is not moderate income

1585
01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:13,280
housing.

1586
01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:16,079
Is that the dog house?

1587
01:07:16,079 --> 01:07:19,039
>> I think uh it's often used as you can

1588
01:07:19,039 --> 01:07:22,000
imagine.

1589
01:07:22,000 --> 01:07:25,520
>> Um on the title it is moderate incoming

1590
01:07:25,520 --> 01:07:27,359
housing goals.

1591
01:07:27,359 --> 01:07:33,349
>> Hey, it's it's incoming.

1592
01:07:33,359 --> 01:07:39,990
» All right, my last thing is on page 60.

1593
01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:44,480
Uh goal 3A number two.

1594
01:07:44,480 --> 01:07:46,240
>> 3A2. Okay.

1595
01:07:46,240 --> 01:07:48,880
>> States uh limit use of culde-sacs unless

1596
01:07:48,880 --> 01:07:52,240
topography requires it. My opinion often

1597
01:07:52,240 --> 01:07:54,799
land placement um necessitates

1598
01:07:54,799 --> 01:07:57,359
culde-sacs and not just topography when

1599
01:07:57,359 --> 01:08:02,319
we've got a an area that is blocked by

1600
01:08:02,319 --> 01:08:04,240
you know can't can't you just can't have

1601
01:08:04,240 --> 01:08:06,720
a a pull through. There's no U-shaped

1602
01:08:06,720 --> 01:08:09,359
space. There's no cross. You know,

1603
01:08:09,359 --> 01:08:12,319
sometimes I think that it's not just

1604
01:08:12,319 --> 01:08:14,880
topography that requires that that

1605
01:08:14,880 --> 01:08:16,560
necessitates culde-sac and they don't

1606
01:08:16,560 --> 01:08:19,520
want us to lock us into topography and

1607
01:08:19,520 --> 01:08:22,239
have someone who, you know, would like

1608
01:08:22,239 --> 01:08:23,600
to complain about everything that we

1609
01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:27,520
approve say you you say that we're only

1610
01:08:27,520 --> 01:08:28,960
doing topography and you're allowing

1611
01:08:28,960 --> 01:08:31,279
them to do a culde-sac in this one. So,

1612
01:08:31,279 --> 01:08:33,040
that's where I've got a problem. I think

1613
01:08:33,040 --> 01:08:39,279
it it it needs to either add um

1614
01:08:39,279 --> 01:08:43,440
uh land placement or rewarded another

1615
01:08:43,440 --> 01:08:45,679
way.

1616
01:08:45,679 --> 01:08:47,839
>> So limit use of culde-sacs unless

1617
01:08:47,839 --> 01:08:51,120
topography requires it

1618
01:08:51,120 --> 01:08:53,600
>> topography or land

1619
01:08:53,600 --> 01:08:56,560
>> consider appropriate use. Diana had just

1620
01:08:56,560 --> 01:08:58,880
say whenever possible

1621
01:08:58,880 --> 01:09:00,560
>> whenever possible will work

1622
01:09:00,560 --> 01:09:02,400
>> because we do have constraints.

1623
01:09:02,400 --> 01:09:04,400
>> Perfect.

1624
01:09:04,400 --> 01:09:06,000
>> We want our pls to

1625
01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:07,839
>> I don't want to be stuck with topography

1626
01:09:07,839 --> 01:09:10,960
is the only reason to have a cold.

1627
01:09:10,960 --> 01:09:13,040
>> Well, like I said, every single piece of

1628
01:09:13,040 --> 01:09:15,920
land in this city is unique, right? And

1629
01:09:15,920 --> 01:09:17,759
so we're going to have to look at every

1630
01:09:17,759 --> 01:09:20,400
single piece of land

1631
01:09:20,400 --> 01:09:22,560
and figure out what's possible with it.

1632
01:09:22,560 --> 01:09:25,440
>> Yep. 100%.

1633
01:09:25,440 --> 01:09:26,640
Okay, next.

1634
01:09:26,640 --> 01:09:28,400
>> All up.

1635
01:09:28,400 --> 01:09:31,279
>> Sweet. Wonderful. Okay.

1636
01:09:31,279 --> 01:09:33,839
Anything else? Dan. Oh,

1637
01:09:33,839 --> 01:09:36,000
>> Brian, you're good. Steve, you good?

1638
01:09:36,000 --> 01:09:36,640
Janet?

1639
01:09:36,640 --> 01:09:38,880
>> Yep. Good.

1640
01:09:38,880 --> 01:09:39,440
>> Nice.

1641
01:09:39,440 --> 01:09:41,279
>> Is the sun still shining or did somebody

1642
01:09:41,279 --> 01:09:44,239
>> The sun is still shining.

1643
01:09:44,239 --> 01:09:44,640
>> Well,

1644
01:09:44,640 --> 01:09:46,239
>> okay.

1645
01:09:46,239 --> 01:09:48,080
We are going to move on.

1646
01:09:48,080 --> 01:09:49,040
>> We did good.

1647
01:09:49,040 --> 01:09:52,159
>> Um to update on city grants. Ted,

1648
01:09:52,159 --> 01:09:53,440
>> be out.

1649
01:09:53,440 --> 01:09:56,640
>> Okay. No city grants. We'll come back to

1650
01:09:56,640 --> 01:09:57,920
him then.

1651
01:09:57,920 --> 01:10:00,239
>> Oh, Ted's back.

1652
01:10:00,239 --> 01:10:01,280
>> Back.

1653
01:10:01,280 --> 01:10:02,960
>> Pull up a chair.

1654
01:10:02,960 --> 01:10:05,280
>> Um I I really got nothing on city

1655
01:10:05,280 --> 01:10:06,880
grants. No updates. We've still got the

1656
01:10:06,880 --> 01:10:08,400
three we're waiting on.

1657
01:10:08,400 --> 01:10:09,760
>> Well, pull up a chair and go with

1658
01:10:09,760 --> 01:10:11,520
community development, public works, and

1659
01:10:11,520 --> 01:10:13,120
fire department.

1660
01:10:13,120 --> 01:10:16,149
>> Um

1661
01:10:16,159 --> 01:10:19,440
sorry, which ones are mine? Uh

1662
01:10:19,440 --> 01:10:21,199
public works, fire department, community

1663
01:10:21,199 --> 01:10:24,400
development. Um,

1664
01:10:24,400 --> 01:10:26,080
no updates. I talked to the road people

1665
01:10:26,080 --> 01:10:28,159
today. They're actually wanting to get

1666
01:10:28,159 --> 01:10:30,880
started sometime in kind of late summer.

1667
01:10:30,880 --> 01:10:32,880
Um, actually, they'd like to start in

1668
01:10:32,880 --> 01:10:34,719
July doing our roads. I told them we may

1669
01:10:34,719 --> 01:10:36,400
not have the funding in place. So, keep

1670
01:10:36,400 --> 01:10:38,480
that in mind. Um, because we're working

1671
01:10:38,480 --> 01:10:39,840
on the bond that would be somewhere in

1672
01:10:39,840 --> 01:10:40,960
August.

1673
01:10:40,960 --> 01:10:44,719
>> Um, they may opt to start forward.

1674
01:10:44,719 --> 01:10:45,040
>> Yeah.

1675
01:10:45,040 --> 01:10:46,880
>> Pull that timing forward. Correct, Jody?

1676
01:10:46,880 --> 01:10:47,679
>> Because allegedly

1677
01:10:47,679 --> 01:10:49,440
>> with the new budget cycle, right? It

1678
01:10:49,440 --> 01:10:50,400
goes in the new budget

1679
01:10:50,400 --> 01:10:50,880
>> approved

1680
01:10:50,880 --> 01:10:51,920
>> July one.

1681
01:10:51,920 --> 01:10:54,719
>> Yeah, but we've actually already put it

1682
01:10:54,719 --> 01:10:56,239
through the last budget. So, we've

1683
01:10:56,239 --> 01:10:58,800
already got the approvals in place from

1684
01:10:58,800 --> 01:11:00,000
the council. We still

1685
01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:01,840
>> we still have to do a resolution, then a

1686
01:11:01,840 --> 01:11:06,159
30-day and a public hearing. As soon as

1687
01:11:06,159 --> 01:11:08,960
we do anything, and I haven't gotten the

1688
01:11:08,960 --> 01:11:12,239
timeline, yeah,

1689
01:11:12,239 --> 01:11:13,600
>> has he responded?

1690
01:11:13,600 --> 01:11:14,159
>> Yes, he did.

1691
01:11:14,159 --> 01:11:15,280
>> We had a meeting with him.

1692
01:11:15,280 --> 01:11:17,760
>> Okay, awesome. But the soonest we're

1693
01:11:17,760 --> 01:11:22,239
looking at even be able to pull it off

1694
01:11:22,239 --> 01:11:27,280
would be beginning in July because

1695
01:11:27,280 --> 01:11:28,960
>> what I told them if they wanted to start

1696
01:11:28,960 --> 01:11:31,520
in July realizing there wouldn't be a

1697
01:11:31,520 --> 01:11:33,840
payment coming till August due in

1698
01:11:33,840 --> 01:11:36,719
September or worst case due in August

1699
01:11:36,719 --> 01:11:38,239
that we could probably get them start in

1700
01:11:38,239 --> 01:11:39,600
July.

1701
01:11:39,600 --> 01:11:40,880
>> That makes sense

1702
01:11:40,880 --> 01:11:42,159
>> cuz they wouldn't even submit us an

1703
01:11:42,159 --> 01:11:43,600
invoice till

1704
01:11:43,600 --> 01:11:48,400
>> August probably. Then you got 30 days be

1705
01:11:48,400 --> 01:11:50,000
>> how how's that going to align with the

1706
01:11:50,000 --> 01:11:52,159
uh Woodland Hills? I mean, it's not

1707
01:11:52,159 --> 01:11:54,480
obviously not related, but is it gonna

1708
01:11:54,480 --> 01:11:56,080
>> the construction? They just have to go

1709
01:11:56,080 --> 01:11:58,400
>> construction there and the roundabout

1710
01:11:58,400 --> 01:11:58,960
everything.

1711
01:11:58,960 --> 01:12:01,440
>> Hey, we've learned this from Salem.

1712
01:12:01,440 --> 01:12:04,159
>> Just shut down and everybody will figure

1713
01:12:04,159 --> 01:12:04,960
it out.

1714
01:12:04,960 --> 01:12:05,679
>> That's right.

1715
01:12:05,679 --> 01:12:07,520
>> It will be. So, what what the

1716
01:12:07,520 --> 01:12:09,199
recommendation is going to be? So, most

1717
01:12:09,199 --> 01:12:10,880
of these roads are up here at the top of

1718
01:12:10,880 --> 01:12:13,679
the city. Loafer Eagle Nest at the top

1719
01:12:13,679 --> 01:12:15,679
of Woodland Hills Drive. I think we got

1720
01:12:15,679 --> 01:12:17,280
one little piece on Woodland Hills Drive

1721
01:12:17,280 --> 01:12:18,640
to do.

1722
01:12:18,640 --> 01:12:21,600
>> But what we're suggesting people do when

1723
01:12:21,600 --> 01:12:23,120
all this construction starts taking

1724
01:12:23,120 --> 01:12:25,280
place is go down Summit Creek. Now

1725
01:12:25,280 --> 01:12:26,480
Summit Creek people aren't going to like

1726
01:12:26,480 --> 01:12:28,880
that. But Summit Creek or Willow Reed.

1727
01:12:28,880 --> 01:12:30,400
>> Say Willow Reed for me.

1728
01:12:30,400 --> 01:12:31,199
>> Yeah.

1729
01:12:31,199 --> 01:12:32,960
And then they can go out to

1730
01:12:32,960 --> 01:12:34,480
Loafer. What Salem's trying to do is use

1731
01:12:34,480 --> 01:12:36,400
Gar Bay to head over Loper Canyon Road

1732
01:12:36,400 --> 01:12:37,679
if they want down.

1733
01:12:37,679 --> 01:12:40,800
>> Gotcha. Because even while this road's

1734
01:12:40,800 --> 01:12:42,320
work is going on Woody Hills Drive,

1735
01:12:42,320 --> 01:12:44,159
Salem City is also doing work within

1736
01:12:44,159 --> 01:12:46,480
their city. So if you try and jog

1737
01:12:46,480 --> 01:12:47,679
through Salem, you're probably going to

1738
01:12:47,679 --> 01:12:48,800
get stuck, too.

1739
01:12:48,800 --> 01:12:51,679
>> You're going to have to do a video.

1740
01:12:51,679 --> 01:12:53,280
>> I think you're going to use some chalk

1741
01:12:53,280 --> 01:12:54,560
for that.

1742
01:12:54,560 --> 01:12:56,960
>> Diana Ariel Diana.

1743
01:12:56,960 --> 01:12:58,800
>> See,

1744
01:12:58,800 --> 01:13:03,120
sided with the get you on the council.

1745
01:13:03,120 --> 01:13:04,960
>> Stop.

1746
01:13:04,960 --> 01:13:07,760
>> Not much.

1747
01:13:07,760 --> 01:13:11,120
Um I think you need to do a video about

1748
01:13:11,120 --> 01:13:13,120
the roads when that's

1749
01:13:13,120 --> 01:13:14,640
>> I'm still a little bit confused, but

1750
01:13:14,640 --> 01:13:16,960
yeah. Um

1751
01:13:16,960 --> 01:13:19,360
so we'll have a lot of our roots

1752
01:13:19,360 --> 01:13:20,960
probably going on in the summer as well,

1753
01:13:20,960 --> 01:13:23,199
but I think most of the people can just

1754
01:13:23,199 --> 01:13:24,960
go down some creek or will that will

1755
01:13:24,960 --> 01:13:26,880
avoid a lot of the issues. Head over to

1756
01:13:26,880 --> 01:13:28,960
Loafer Canyon Parkway. It's going to be

1757
01:13:28,960 --> 01:13:30,480
your best bet. Okay.

1758
01:13:30,480 --> 01:13:32,400
>> Um so we could be starting our road

1759
01:13:32,400 --> 01:13:34,640
projects earlier. I've got to balance

1760
01:13:34,640 --> 01:13:36,640
how to do that with a tank project

1761
01:13:36,640 --> 01:13:37,600
because I really don't want to do

1762
01:13:37,600 --> 01:13:39,280
deforest until we finish the tank

1763
01:13:39,280 --> 01:13:40,880
project. So, we may pull that out of

1764
01:13:40,880 --> 01:13:44,320
this one and bring it ketchup.

1765
01:13:44,320 --> 01:13:46,640
>> And to my comment is Salem. Salem

1766
01:13:46,640 --> 01:13:48,800
actually it was the it was the state

1767
01:13:48,800 --> 01:13:50,719
that kept closing all those random roads

1768
01:13:50,719 --> 01:13:51,760
for the

1769
01:13:51,760 --> 01:13:55,760
>> the strawberry pipeline, but

1770
01:13:55,760 --> 01:14:00,800
>> central. Yeah. So, it wasn't all Salem.

1771
01:14:00,800 --> 01:14:03,679
>> You're being very kind.

1772
01:14:03,679 --> 01:14:06,480
for the north.

1773
01:14:06,480 --> 01:14:09,360
>> Um so we'll have some road work going on

1774
01:14:09,360 --> 01:14:11,760
this summer and

1775
01:14:11,760 --> 01:14:16,080
um our booster pump has been replaced in

1776
01:14:16,080 --> 01:14:18,880
the booster pump stations up and going.

1777
01:14:18,880 --> 01:14:20,400
So

1778
01:14:20,400 --> 01:14:23,120
just timely for the summer

1779
01:14:23,120 --> 01:14:25,040
and uh that's really all I've got to

1780
01:14:25,040 --> 01:14:30,950
update on unless you have any questions.

1781
01:14:30,960 --> 01:14:35,669
Ryan, anything?

1782
01:14:35,679 --> 01:14:39,590
» Nope.

1783
01:14:39,600 --> 01:14:42,880
» Um, fireside. Was that next?

1784
01:14:42,880 --> 01:14:43,760
>> No.

1785
01:14:43,760 --> 01:14:45,040
>> Oh, yeah.

1786
01:14:45,040 --> 01:14:48,400
>> Um, so we've got our full-time crew um

1787
01:14:48,400 --> 01:14:50,960
working partially in the city doing

1788
01:14:50,960 --> 01:14:55,280
chipping. Um, the state has let us use

1789
01:14:55,280 --> 01:14:57,120
the state chipper for a little while.

1790
01:14:57,120 --> 01:14:59,280
So, we've got our crew. They're back

1791
01:14:59,280 --> 01:15:01,679
from Nebraska. They've ar so while

1792
01:15:01,679 --> 01:15:02,880
they're waiting for their next call, we

1793
01:15:02,880 --> 01:15:06,400
just haven't been doing some chipping um

1794
01:15:06,400 --> 01:15:08,320
around the city. This will not replace

1795
01:15:08,320 --> 01:15:11,040
our chipper days. This is in addition to

1796
01:15:11,040 --> 01:15:12,239
so they're just going to do some of the

1797
01:15:12,239 --> 01:15:13,840
piles now, but we'll still be having our

1798
01:15:13,840 --> 01:15:15,360
chipper days towards the last couple

1799
01:15:15,360 --> 01:15:17,199
weeks of May. I'm meeting with the

1800
01:15:17,199 --> 01:15:18,800
county guy tomorrow morning to talk

1801
01:15:18,800 --> 01:15:21,679
about it. Uh he's coming up here. So,

1802
01:15:21,679 --> 01:15:23,679
we'll have definite dates uh come

1803
01:15:23,679 --> 01:15:25,520
tomorrow for chipper days, but likely

1804
01:15:25,520 --> 01:15:28,400
the last two weeks of May. So if they

1805
01:15:28,400 --> 01:15:29,840
see chipping on going on now, don't

1806
01:15:29,840 --> 01:15:33,520
panic. You can still put wood out. Send

1807
01:15:33,520 --> 01:15:36,880
me chipping. Um

1808
01:15:36,880 --> 01:15:38,640
we

1809
01:15:38,640 --> 01:15:40,159
uh we'll talk about that later on in the

1810
01:15:40,159 --> 01:15:44,239
surplus equipment. Um

1811
01:15:44,239 --> 01:15:46,400
really I got all got fires because we

1812
01:15:46,400 --> 01:15:48,480
had our EMS uh sorry had our ambulance

1813
01:15:48,480 --> 01:15:50,159
inspection today.

1814
01:15:50,159 --> 01:15:50,880
>> Um

1815
01:15:50,880 --> 01:15:52,000
>> how did it go?

1816
01:15:52,000 --> 01:15:54,880
>> Oh, it was fun. I tell you

1817
01:15:54,880 --> 01:15:56,000
between

1818
01:15:56,000 --> 01:15:57,040
>> me trying to figure out where everything

1819
01:15:57,040 --> 01:15:58,480
was. So it was me down there alone. So

1820
01:15:58,480 --> 01:16:00,480
he had the C team down there, which was

1821
01:16:00,480 --> 01:16:03,360
me. And he came in, sat at a desk with

1822
01:16:03,360 --> 01:16:04,800
his computer, said, "I need to see this

1823
01:16:04,800 --> 01:16:06,320
and this and this." So he saw me running

1824
01:16:06,320 --> 01:16:08,080
around the ambulance, grabbing bags,

1825
01:16:08,080 --> 01:16:09,760
throwing stuff. Looked like the

1826
01:16:09,760 --> 01:16:11,120
cartoons, you know, when you see the

1827
01:16:11,120 --> 01:16:12,960
cartoon characters going this. That was

1828
01:16:12,960 --> 01:16:14,560
me going through and it was you say

1829
01:16:14,560 --> 01:16:16,640
like, "I need to see 12 of these." Well,

1830
01:16:16,640 --> 01:16:18,239
we'd have five in one bag and three in

1831
01:16:18,239 --> 01:16:20,080
another bag. So I was tearing through

1832
01:16:20,080 --> 01:16:21,600
bags, having them spread all over,

1833
01:16:21,600 --> 01:16:23,120
taking stuff out for that one.

1834
01:16:23,120 --> 01:16:25,440
>> Why did they leave you doing that?

1835
01:16:25,440 --> 01:16:26,480
So,

1836
01:16:26,480 --> 01:16:28,000
>> I think Jim's right. We need to have you

1837
01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:29,920
make a video.

1838
01:16:29,920 --> 01:16:31,440
>> That would have been a funny video. And

1839
01:16:31,440 --> 01:16:32,880
there I was hurry, too. I was like,

1840
01:16:32,880 --> 01:16:34,000
"Grab me this. Give me that."

1841
01:16:34,000 --> 01:16:36,000
>> Some Betty Hill music sped up.

1842
01:16:36,000 --> 01:16:38,480
>> It's about what it looked like. But

1843
01:16:38,480 --> 01:16:41,199
bottom line was, uh, we we got just

1844
01:16:41,199 --> 01:16:42,640
about there. There were just a couple

1845
01:16:42,640 --> 01:16:44,480
items we were lacking or expired that

1846
01:16:44,480 --> 01:16:47,760
need to be replaced. Um, he was good

1847
01:16:47,760 --> 01:16:49,120
about it. He said, "Just take us when

1848
01:16:49,120 --> 01:16:50,400
you get it, just take some pictures and

1849
01:16:50,400 --> 01:16:52,000
send to me." He actually did leave me

1850
01:16:52,000 --> 01:16:54,080
our certification sticker. So, I've got

1851
01:16:54,080 --> 01:16:56,719
a sticker already, but uh we got through

1852
01:16:56,719 --> 01:16:59,679
it. We're really close. So, we're almost

1853
01:16:59,679 --> 01:17:01,360
officially certified.

1854
01:17:01,360 --> 01:17:05,199
>> And have we had any other uh possible

1855
01:17:05,199 --> 01:17:07,440
ambulances come up on the

1856
01:17:07,440 --> 01:17:09,280
>> We haven't. I texted him yesterday and

1857
01:17:09,280 --> 01:17:10,960
he said the only ones that are out there

1858
01:17:10,960 --> 01:17:14,400
so far are the two he found and then

1859
01:17:14,400 --> 01:17:17,360
there's one that Ryan came up with. All

1860
01:17:17,360 --> 01:17:20,480
about the same as far as life and miles

1861
01:17:20,480 --> 01:17:23,440
and stuff like that. So, we told them

1862
01:17:23,440 --> 01:17:25,600
we're not in a huge rush, but but you

1863
01:17:25,600 --> 01:17:27,040
know, we want to get something fairly

1864
01:17:27,040 --> 01:17:29,840
soon. So, if nothing comes up in a

1865
01:17:29,840 --> 01:17:30,800
little while, I'll have to look upon

1866
01:17:30,800 --> 01:17:33,679
those, too. Okay.

1867
01:17:33,679 --> 01:17:36,239
Thank you, kid. Uh Wayne, planning

1868
01:17:36,239 --> 01:17:47,350
commission and code.

1869
01:17:47,360 --> 01:17:50,239
Um there's a couple of complaints that

1870
01:17:50,239 --> 01:17:53,679
we're acting on. At least anybody thinks

1871
01:17:53,679 --> 01:17:58,159
that we don't have complaints. So, uh

1872
01:17:58,159 --> 01:18:01,199
we're working on those. Um we've we've

1873
01:18:01,199 --> 01:18:03,920
received a request from

1874
01:18:03,920 --> 01:18:08,880
Summer Creek to update you. There's one lot that they want to add to

1875
01:18:08,880 --> 01:18:10,880
their latest

1876
01:18:10,880 --> 01:18:14,480
um final plaque that they've done. Uh as

1877
01:18:14,480 --> 01:18:16,320
they the reason it wasn't included to

1878
01:18:16,320 --> 01:18:18,560
begin with is they weren't sure the

1879
01:18:18,560 --> 01:18:22,400
topography and with roads and so forth.

1880
01:18:22,400 --> 01:18:24,880
And as they've got in there and doing

1881
01:18:24,880 --> 01:18:27,120
some clearing, they realized that they

1882
01:18:27,120 --> 01:18:29,360
could get another lot out of a larger

1883
01:18:29,360 --> 01:18:33,840
one. And so they've they're they've

1884
01:18:33,840 --> 01:18:36,480
requested to add to that and we'll be

1885
01:18:36,480 --> 01:18:38,400
talking about it tomorrow night in

1886
01:18:38,400 --> 01:18:40,640
planning commission meeting. But just to

1887
01:18:40,640 --> 01:18:44,480
make you all aware of that. Um, we've

1888
01:18:44,480 --> 01:18:47,679
also got uh an annexation that we're

1889
01:18:47,679 --> 01:18:52,080
working on and that will come to you uh

1890
01:18:52,080 --> 01:18:55,120
when all the documentation and

1891
01:18:55,120 --> 01:18:57,600
information is provided and there will

1892
01:18:57,600 --> 01:19:01,199
be a a reszone request with that as

1893
01:19:01,199 --> 01:19:02,480
well.

1894
01:19:02,480 --> 01:19:06,080
>> What's can you give us a sneak preview

1895
01:19:06,080 --> 01:19:09,360
on where the annexation is? It's it's

1896
01:19:09,360 --> 01:19:12,400
part of Elk Ridge and there's been

1897
01:19:12,400 --> 01:19:14,159
discussions with them and they seem

1898
01:19:14,159 --> 01:19:16,960
agreeable to it and it it buts up

1899
01:19:16,960 --> 01:19:19,840
against Summer Creek's property and so

1900
01:19:19,840 --> 01:19:24,080
it would be brought in as part of their development that they're doing

1901
01:19:24,080 --> 01:19:24,640
now.

1902
01:19:24,640 --> 01:19:25,360
>> Nice.

1903
01:19:25,360 --> 01:19:27,120
>> So

1904
01:19:27,120 --> 01:19:29,120
there'll be a public hearing on that and

1905
01:19:29,120 --> 01:19:31,679
we'll keep you informed as that goes

1906
01:19:31,679 --> 01:19:32,960
forward.

1907
01:19:32,960 --> 01:19:34,400
>> Thanks.

1908
01:19:34,400 --> 01:19:37,520
>> It's any questions?

1909
01:19:37,520 --> 01:19:39,440
We've gotten a few on that edge of town,

1910
01:19:39,440 --> 01:19:41,040
haven't we? Because we got the lower

1911
01:19:41,040 --> 01:19:43,040
ones a few years ago. Some of those

1912
01:19:43,040 --> 01:19:46,719
properties annexed in. So,

1913
01:19:46,719 --> 01:19:47,440
>> yeah.

1914
01:19:47,440 --> 01:19:48,880
>> Are the from the enforcement

1915
01:19:48,880 --> 01:19:50,719
perspective, are they the same type of

1916
01:19:50,719 --> 01:19:52,159
enforcement or just different categories

1917
01:19:52,159 --> 01:19:53,440
of enforcement?

1918
01:19:53,440 --> 01:19:55,840
>> Uh, different categories, two of them.

1919
01:19:55,840 --> 01:19:56,159
Yeah.

1920
01:19:56,159 --> 01:19:58,080
>> So, there's nothing systemic in that we

1921
01:19:58,080 --> 01:20:00,560
should be aware of. Okay.

1922
01:20:00,560 --> 01:20:11,030
Wonderful. Okay. Emergency management.

1923
01:20:11,040 --> 01:20:13,440
A couple things to report on. Um, last

1924
01:20:13,440 --> 01:20:16,800
week the state had a

1925
01:20:16,800 --> 01:20:19,920
um statewide convention for the LAPC

1926
01:20:19,920 --> 01:20:25,280
organizations and I attended that up in Ogden. There was good information

1927
01:20:25,280 --> 01:20:27,920
there that I was able to

1928
01:20:27,920 --> 01:20:29,920
uh generate in regards to how it would

1929
01:20:29,920 --> 01:20:33,520
affect Woodland Hills. The biggest thing

1930
01:20:33,520 --> 01:20:35,199
that I thought that came out of there is

1931
01:20:35,199 --> 01:20:37,040
that they were doing studies or they

1932
01:20:37,040 --> 01:20:39,840
have studies on hazardous materials that

1933
01:20:39,840 --> 01:20:43,040
are being stored down in the valley um

1934
01:20:43,040 --> 01:20:48,239
around us such as um Springville, Provo,

1935
01:20:48,239 --> 01:20:51,600
well all around us. uh it they've

1936
01:20:51,600 --> 01:20:53,199
identified locations where businesses

1937
01:20:53,199 --> 01:20:54,880
are storing hazardous materials and then

1938
01:20:54,880 --> 01:20:56,239
they have a software program that

1939
01:20:56,239 --> 01:21:00,080
actually will predict if one of those

1940
01:21:00,080 --> 01:21:03,280
chemical or hazards was to explode.

1941
01:21:03,280 --> 01:21:05,360
What's the impact zone and which way

1942
01:21:05,360 --> 01:21:08,000
would or what kind of plume chemical

1943
01:21:08,000 --> 01:21:10,480
plume would it create and where would it

1944
01:21:10,480 --> 01:21:14,640
go and would it necessitate evacuations

1945
01:21:14,640 --> 01:21:17,840
and or stay in indoors and seal up your

1946
01:21:17,840 --> 01:21:19,679
windows indoors cuz it's too late type

1947
01:21:19,679 --> 01:21:21,280
of deal.

1948
01:21:21,280 --> 01:21:24,960
um the program that is this the county

1949
01:21:24,960 --> 01:21:27,840
is purchasing that service um they make

1950
01:21:27,840 --> 01:21:29,520
it available for us to go over there and

1951
01:21:29,520 --> 01:21:32,880
take a look at that and see how um

1952
01:21:32,880 --> 01:21:34,560
Woodland Hills could be affected if any

1953
01:21:34,560 --> 01:21:36,960
of the close by chemical storage

1954
01:21:36,960 --> 01:21:39,440
facilities would impact us and if the

1955
01:21:39,440 --> 01:21:41,920
wind was blowing our way. So my goal is

1956
01:21:41,920 --> 01:21:43,280
to be able to meet with the county and

1957
01:21:43,280 --> 01:21:44,800
to get access to that information and

1958
01:21:44,800 --> 01:21:46,800
report back on how big of a threat that

1959
01:21:46,800 --> 01:21:50,480
is, if it is even a threat. um they

1960
01:21:50,480 --> 01:21:52,239
thought it was cuz the wind changes

1961
01:21:52,239 --> 01:21:54,400
directions around here and it could blow

1962
01:21:54,400 --> 01:21:57,360
from the north towards us from the

1963
01:21:57,360 --> 01:21:59,760
north. So that was one piece of good

1964
01:21:59,760 --> 01:22:03,440
news, not good news, good information.

1965
01:22:03,440 --> 01:22:05,840
Um there's other information they had

1966
01:22:05,840 --> 01:22:07,360
there regarding the pipeline, the gas

1967
01:22:07,360 --> 01:22:09,760
pipelines. Um but I think we've already

1968
01:22:09,760 --> 01:22:12,159
been addressing that with our um fire

1969
01:22:12,159 --> 01:22:13,600
department's already looked at that. So

1970
01:22:13,600 --> 01:22:16,159
I didn't really dive into that too much

1971
01:22:16,159 --> 01:22:18,480
knowing that there is a uh potential

1972
01:22:18,480 --> 01:22:20,480
risk of an explosion if we had a 6.5

1973
01:22:20,480 --> 01:22:22,080
earthquake. It could rupture our gas

1974
01:22:22,080 --> 01:22:24,239
lines both the main trunk line that goes

1975
01:22:24,239 --> 01:22:25,920
through the city as well as possible

1976
01:22:25,920 --> 01:22:28,400
lines around um each of the streets too

1977
01:22:28,400 --> 01:22:30,800
which could become issues which I think

1978
01:22:30,800 --> 01:22:32,320
is addressed in our emergency plan. So

1979
01:22:32,320 --> 01:22:33,920
I'm not too worried about that one. We

1980
01:22:33,920 --> 01:22:37,199
just need to maybe keep on top of it.

1981
01:22:37,199 --> 01:22:39,920
Um, other than that, um, any questions

1982
01:22:39,920 --> 01:22:42,719
regarding the LAPC meeting I went to?

1983
01:22:42,719 --> 01:22:44,239
Good stuff. I'll be attending the

1984
01:22:44,239 --> 01:22:46,639
monthly meetings, uh, for the county.

1985
01:22:46,639 --> 01:22:48,800
Um, then also right now we are, I'm

1986
01:22:48,800 --> 01:22:50,880
engaged with the VOAD. You guys,

1987
01:22:50,880 --> 01:22:53,520
everybody know what VOAD is.

1988
01:22:53,520 --> 01:22:56,960
Um, that's where she's at right now. Uh,

1989
01:22:56,960 --> 01:22:58,719
she's actually in charge of the event.

1990
01:22:58,719 --> 01:23:00,560
It's a

1991
01:23:00,560 --> 01:23:03,120
Northwest United States Bo conference

1992
01:23:03,120 --> 01:23:05,199
that's here in Salt Lake. And so I've

1993
01:23:05,199 --> 01:23:07,520
been attending that as well. And it's a

1994
01:23:07,520 --> 01:23:09,199
great resource for us be a for me to be

1995
01:23:09,199 --> 01:23:10,719
able to develop relationships with all

1996
01:23:10,719 --> 01:23:12,320
the volunteer organizations that are

1997
01:23:12,320 --> 01:23:14,080
available for us to call upon in case of

1998
01:23:14,080 --> 01:23:16,000
a disaster like we had last time

1999
01:23:16,000 --> 01:23:20,400
including team Rub Rubicon. Um so it's

2000
01:23:20,400 --> 01:23:21,920
building relationships with those

2001
01:23:21,920 --> 01:23:24,960
organizations. So I have direct

2002
01:23:24,960 --> 01:23:27,199
knowledge of who they are and so forth.

2003
01:23:27,199 --> 01:23:29,040
So I'm attending that building those

2004
01:23:29,040 --> 01:23:31,199
relationships. Okay. So, um, I'm still

2005
01:23:31,199 --> 01:23:33,199
in the process of joining the

2006
01:23:33,199 --> 01:23:34,400
organization because I don't have a list

2007
01:23:34,400 --> 01:23:36,000
of all the services yet, but I'm

2008
01:23:36,000 --> 01:23:37,920
working.

2009
01:23:37,920 --> 01:23:40,320
I I've tried multiple times to get into

2010
01:23:40,320 --> 01:23:42,320
the program.

2011
01:23:42,320 --> 01:23:45,280
They're a little disorganized.

2012
01:23:45,280 --> 01:23:47,120
>> It's just like disorganization from

2013
01:23:47,120 --> 01:23:47,600
emergency

2014
01:23:47,600 --> 01:23:49,920
>> for emergency management.

2015
01:23:49,920 --> 01:23:52,080
>> Yeah. Agreed. Agreed.

2016
01:23:52,080 --> 01:23:54,000
>> Agreed.

2017
01:23:54,000 --> 01:23:56,960
>> Bless their souls. Yeah, they're trying.

2018
01:23:56,960 --> 01:23:58,000
>> You know, you get what you pay for,

2019
01:23:58,000 --> 01:24:00,960
right? And it's all free. So, you got to

2020
01:24:00,960 --> 01:24:03,760
work with what you get. Um, the last

2021
01:24:03,760 --> 01:24:05,760
thing I was going to mention was um the

2022
01:24:05,760 --> 01:24:08,960
discussion from the last um meeting we

2023
01:24:08,960 --> 01:24:10,639
had, I talked about the generator,

2024
01:24:10,639 --> 01:24:12,000
backup generator for the building. Let

2025
01:24:12,000 --> 01:24:13,360
me give you a quick update on that. I

2026
01:24:13,360 --> 01:24:16,159
had a meeting with Alan Wakefield who is

2027
01:24:16,159 --> 01:24:19,040
intimately um knowledgeable about the

2028
01:24:19,040 --> 01:24:22,480
current um wiring in the building for

2029
01:24:22,480 --> 01:24:25,520
backup generator to connect to. Uh the

2030
01:24:25,520 --> 01:24:27,040
wiring in the building is already

2031
01:24:27,040 --> 01:24:28,560
established. Each of these rooms that

2032
01:24:28,560 --> 01:24:31,280
has an upside down plug like that is

2033
01:24:31,280 --> 01:24:35,520
powered to the um

2034
01:24:35,520 --> 01:24:36,960
>> backup power,

2035
01:24:36,960 --> 01:24:38,719
>> the backup power panel. So there's a

2036
01:24:38,719 --> 01:24:40,960
panel in there that we need to power up.

2037
01:24:40,960 --> 01:24:43,040
And so every room in the building has

2038
01:24:43,040 --> 01:24:45,120
one or two of those plugs in it that's

2039
01:24:45,120 --> 01:24:48,800
tied to it. Um so that part's good. So

2040
01:24:48,800 --> 01:24:50,320
the only thing we had to do then is is

2041
01:24:50,320 --> 01:24:52,400
be able to figure out how to connect the

2042
01:24:52,400 --> 01:24:54,960
panel downstairs to an outside

2043
01:24:54,960 --> 01:24:57,120
generator. Now, the original plan was to

2044
01:24:57,120 --> 01:24:59,440
put it way out there by the curb or, you

2045
01:24:59,440 --> 01:25:01,280
know, where that big transformer is out

2046
01:25:01,280 --> 01:25:03,520
there, but that's very expensive for a

2047
01:25:03,520 --> 01:25:05,360
temporary solution for what I'm trying

2048
01:25:05,360 --> 01:25:06,480
to do. I'm trying to do a temporary

2049
01:25:06,480 --> 01:25:08,159
solution until we can afford to get the,

2050
01:25:08,159 --> 01:25:10,480
you know, good quality, high quality

2051
01:25:10,480 --> 01:25:12,400
stuff there, which you guys need to

2052
01:25:12,400 --> 01:25:13,840
figure out we're going to get was it

2053
01:25:13,840 --> 01:25:16,719
50,000, 60,000? I can't remember what

2054
01:25:16,719 --> 01:25:18,880
Allen's call was, but it was up there.

2055
01:25:18,880 --> 01:25:20,000
So, we're trying to figure out how to do

2056
01:25:20,000 --> 01:25:22,320
with like less than 30.

2057
01:25:22,320 --> 01:25:24,000
And so we're going to suppose that we

2058
01:25:24,000 --> 01:25:28,080
put the generator right next to the wall

2059
01:25:28,080 --> 01:25:30,560
of like right down there like straight

2060
01:25:30,560 --> 01:25:33,199
down there and then just have like a 10

2061
01:25:33,199 --> 01:25:35,920
15t connection to a new box that goes

2062
01:25:35,920 --> 01:25:38,239
out there. We we that's a manual

2063
01:25:38,239 --> 01:25:40,960
disconnect switch. Plug it in there and

2064
01:25:40,960 --> 01:25:43,360
then we run a wire from there to the So

2065
01:25:43,360 --> 01:25:45,040
it's a it's a minimum amount of distance

2066
01:25:45,040 --> 01:25:47,520
that we would need to run that. So um

2067
01:25:47,520 --> 01:25:48,960
Allan's working on getting me the

2068
01:25:48,960 --> 01:25:52,400
pricing um to do all that. and he thinks

2069
01:25:52,400 --> 01:25:53,920
we can probably fit within that budget

2070
01:25:53,920 --> 01:25:56,000
that you guys were talking about last

2071
01:25:56,000 --> 01:25:58,400
time. So, it's in the works.

2072
01:25:58,400 --> 01:26:00,719
>> And then the ham radio equipment also um

2073
01:26:00,719 --> 01:26:03,280
is coming in pieces by pieces. Some

2074
01:26:03,280 --> 01:26:06,000
stuff is 30 days. Uh how much stuff do

2075
01:26:06,000 --> 01:26:08,000
we have left to um come in, do you

2076
01:26:08,000 --> 01:26:09,600
think?

2077
01:26:09,600 --> 01:26:12,159
>> Just the radio.

2078
01:26:12,159 --> 01:26:14,000
>> No, I think the radio's still a month

2079
01:26:14,000 --> 01:26:15,040
away, isn't it?

2080
01:26:15,040 --> 01:26:16,639
>> I think it was like May 7th.

2081
01:26:16,639 --> 01:26:19,920
>> Yeah. So, we got a lot of parts, but no

2082
01:26:19,920 --> 01:26:21,600
radio.

2083
01:26:21,600 --> 01:26:25,360
So, we're working on that. Um, and we're

2084
01:26:25,360 --> 01:26:26,719
also trying to finalize the location

2085
01:26:26,719 --> 01:26:27,600
where we're going to set up the ham

2086
01:26:27,600 --> 01:26:29,040
radio station. And there's a couple

2087
01:26:29,040 --> 01:26:30,639
things under discussion.

2088
01:26:30,639 --> 01:26:32,639
>> Okay. Any questions about those things?

2089
01:26:32,639 --> 01:26:34,960
>> Did you want to talk Great Shakeup?

2090
01:26:34,960 --> 01:26:38,159
>> Yes. I forgot about that. So, uh, the

2091
01:26:38,159 --> 01:26:40,080
state of Utah is participating in what's

2092
01:26:40,080 --> 01:26:41,840
called the Great Shakeup. Um, it's an

2093
01:26:41,840 --> 01:26:43,600
annual event. It's being held Thursday

2094
01:26:43,600 --> 01:26:47,199
the 16th at, uh, 10:00 in the morning.

2095
01:26:47,199 --> 01:26:49,120
uh I registered our city as being part

2096
01:26:49,120 --> 01:26:53,199
of it, but we can be part of it and do

2097
01:26:53,199 --> 01:26:54,639
whatever part whatever kind of

2098
01:26:54,639 --> 01:26:56,159
preparedness we want to do. So, it's

2099
01:26:56,159 --> 01:26:58,560
kind of up to us decide. So, I've met

2100
01:26:58,560 --> 01:27:01,120
with our staff and we're going to do a

2101
01:27:01,120 --> 01:27:04,000
very minimal type of test internally of

2102
01:27:04,000 --> 01:27:05,199
communications and we're going to

2103
01:27:05,199 --> 01:27:07,840
involve as many committee members that

2104
01:27:07,840 --> 01:27:10,800
we have volunteers uh to be like

2105
01:27:10,800 --> 01:27:12,400
emergency

2106
01:27:12,400 --> 01:27:15,120
or citizens responding to a request for

2107
01:27:15,120 --> 01:27:17,199
information on their status. So, we're

2108
01:27:17,199 --> 01:27:18,960
going to be testing a program called Ard

2109
01:27:18,960 --> 01:27:21,679
Pro, which is a software program that

2110
01:27:21,679 --> 01:27:24,080
I've been developing to collect

2111
01:27:24,080 --> 01:27:25,920
information from the general public,

2112
01:27:25,920 --> 01:27:28,080
have it populate into an EOC

2113
01:27:28,080 --> 01:27:30,239
environment, uh, a large screen

2114
01:27:30,239 --> 01:27:31,600
television, for example, and so we can

2115
01:27:31,600 --> 01:27:33,280
see the statuses of everybody. It's

2116
01:27:33,280 --> 01:27:35,520
colorcoded based upon the the the

2117
01:27:35,520 --> 01:27:38,960
severity of their needs. Um, so that's

2118
01:27:38,960 --> 01:27:41,520
the test we're going to do on Thursday.

2119
01:27:41,520 --> 01:27:42,960
We're also going to do a mesh radio

2120
01:27:42,960 --> 01:27:46,239
test. So, we have these little blue blue

2121
01:27:46,239 --> 01:27:47,840
mesh radios that Bluetooth connect to

2122
01:27:47,840 --> 01:27:50,080
your phone. They operate outside the

2123
01:27:50,080 --> 01:27:52,000
cellular networks. So, if the cellular

2124
01:27:52,000 --> 01:27:53,520
networks go down, can we maintain

2125
01:27:53,520 --> 01:27:55,280
communications? The answer is yes, but

2126
01:27:55,280 --> 01:27:56,560
we're going to we're going to test the

2127
01:27:56,560 --> 01:27:58,480
equipment this Thursday as well. So,

2128
01:27:58,480 --> 01:27:59,440
those are the two things we're going to

2129
01:27:59,440 --> 01:28:02,560
test in this environment. I would also

2130
01:28:02,560 --> 01:28:05,280
propose I'm planting a seed now for

2131
01:28:05,280 --> 01:28:06,719
sometime later this year. I would like

2132
01:28:06,719 --> 01:28:09,120
to do a fire test, a fire preparedness,

2133
01:28:09,120 --> 01:28:11,920
cuz the

2134
01:28:11,920 --> 01:28:13,760
state people I've been talking with are

2135
01:28:13,760 --> 01:28:16,480
very worried about how dry our forest

2136
01:28:16,480 --> 01:28:17,360
and everything is going to be this

2137
01:28:17,360 --> 01:28:17,600
summer. I

2138
01:28:17,600 --> 01:28:18,719
>> was going to say, is it going to be a

2139
01:28:18,719 --> 01:28:20,719
test?

2140
01:28:20,719 --> 01:28:22,320
>> Hey, we hope it's a test and not a real

2141
01:28:22,320 --> 01:28:25,440
thing. Okay. And we hope we do this test

2142
01:28:25,440 --> 01:28:28,400
before then, but this initial earthquake

2143
01:28:28,400 --> 01:28:30,800
preparedness test is going to be the

2144
01:28:30,800 --> 01:28:32,960
same thing it would have been if it was

2145
01:28:32,960 --> 01:28:35,360
a a fire. same kind of systems we would

2146
01:28:35,360 --> 01:28:37,199
need to practice using. The only

2147
01:28:37,199 --> 01:28:38,639
difference is the next one I'd like to

2148
01:28:38,639 --> 01:28:40,639
involve more of the city, more of the

2149
01:28:40,639 --> 01:28:42,000
civilians, but that takes a little bit

2150
01:28:42,000 --> 01:28:43,360
more time and planning and

2151
01:28:43,360 --> 01:28:45,040
pre-notification that this is only going

2152
01:28:45,040 --> 01:28:47,440
to be test. Don't freak out. Um, and

2153
01:28:47,440 --> 01:28:49,679
we're going to I want to propose that as

2154
01:28:49,679 --> 01:28:50,800
something we can do later this year.

2155
01:28:50,800 --> 01:28:53,040
I'll work with Steve figuring out when

2156
01:28:53,040 --> 01:28:54,239
we want to do that, right, Steve?

2157
01:28:54,239 --> 01:28:54,560
>> Yeah.

2158
01:28:54,560 --> 01:28:55,840
>> So, that'll be part of our Thursday

2159
01:28:55,840 --> 01:28:56,480
discussion.

2160
01:28:56,480 --> 01:28:57,040
>> Yep.

2161
01:28:57,040 --> 01:28:58,560
>> Okay. So I was going to I was going to

2162
01:28:58,560 --> 01:29:00,320
put that in there too that we are having

2163
01:29:00,320 --> 01:29:02,080
and that's a public meeting the safety

2164
01:29:02,080 --> 01:29:04,159
meeting 5 o'clock on Thursday as well

2165
01:29:04,159 --> 01:29:05,040
right so

2166
01:29:05,040 --> 01:29:06,560
>> is it five

2167
01:29:06,560 --> 01:29:11,360
>> that's four to be here an hour early

2168
01:29:11,360 --> 01:29:13,760
>> all right any other questions

2169
01:29:13,760 --> 01:29:15,120
>> we doing the alarm

2170
01:29:15,120 --> 01:29:17,920
>> on Thursday no this is more of an

2171
01:29:17,920 --> 01:29:23,120
internal um leadership um EMS fire

2172
01:29:23,120 --> 01:29:24,960
>> and I'll probably bring in parks and

2173
01:29:24,960 --> 01:29:28,080
wreck and planning department

2174
01:29:28,080 --> 01:29:32,239
cuz they're all committed people, right?

2175
01:29:32,239 --> 01:29:33,679
>> Yes, they are. They like it or not.

2176
01:29:33,679 --> 01:29:36,320
>> Team work. Team team work.

2177
01:29:36,320 --> 01:29:38,080
>> Thank you. You're welcome.

2178
01:29:38,080 --> 01:29:40,320
>> Okay, we're now moving over to the mayor

2179
01:29:40,320 --> 01:29:44,400
and city council reports. Um SCSD, um I

2180
01:29:44,400 --> 01:29:46,639
have met, we've had that board meeting.

2181
01:29:46,639 --> 01:29:49,440
Um nothing really to report here. Um

2182
01:29:49,440 --> 01:29:51,600
we're working a lot to try and make sure

2183
01:29:51,600 --> 01:29:54,400
that we are acquiring resources in the

2184
01:29:54,400 --> 01:29:56,159
most efficient way possible so that we

2185
01:29:56,159 --> 01:29:59,199
can try and keep um energy costs as low

2186
01:29:59,199 --> 01:30:01,679
as possible. Uh the Nebo power plant

2187
01:30:01,679 --> 01:30:04,880
currently is down one turbine though it

2188
01:30:04,880 --> 01:30:06,560
has been for quite a while and it should

2189
01:30:06,560 --> 01:30:09,600
be back up this month or next month in

2190
01:30:09,600 --> 01:30:12,400
May. So hopefully that will also help

2191
01:30:12,400 --> 01:30:14,400
us. That's a natural gas power plant

2192
01:30:14,400 --> 01:30:18,000
there just over by in PAC. Um and

2193
01:30:18,000 --> 01:30:19,520
that'll help us with our resources

2194
01:30:19,520 --> 01:30:22,880
there. Um Dry Creek Transfer Station,

2195
01:30:22,880 --> 01:30:24,560
those meetings are coming up this week,

2196
01:30:24,560 --> 01:30:27,600
so report on those next time. Um Mag and

2197
01:30:27,600 --> 01:30:30,000
Cog, we really just kind of been getting

2198
01:30:30,000 --> 01:30:32,960
through the legislative cycle. Um and

2199
01:30:32,960 --> 01:30:36,080
I've got meetings of that uh tomorrow as

2200
01:30:36,080 --> 01:30:39,520
well. Um and personnel and legal update.

2201
01:30:39,520 --> 01:30:42,639
Um really not much uh to update on on

2202
01:30:42,639 --> 01:30:44,719
either of those. So things are going

2203
01:30:44,719 --> 01:30:46,560
well there.

2204
01:30:46,560 --> 01:30:49,280
Uh, Council Member Hutchings.

2205
01:30:49,280 --> 01:30:52,639
>> So, um, we have not met with Sumba or

2206
01:30:52,639 --> 01:30:55,199
Mount Nebo Water. Um, so nothing to

2207
01:30:55,199 --> 01:30:57,920
report there. I did have a conversation

2208
01:30:57,920 --> 01:31:05,199
with Ted about water conservation and I I foresee us and I I'm kind of

2209
01:31:05,199 --> 01:31:08,320
thinking sooner than later. Um, but

2210
01:31:08,320 --> 01:31:10,320
that's up to that's really up to the

2211
01:31:10,320 --> 01:31:12,719
mayor. of of we're we're probably going

2212
01:31:12,719 --> 01:31:15,040
to be seeing water restrictions this

2213
01:31:15,040 --> 01:31:18,400
year based on the low water levels. So,

2214
01:31:18,400 --> 01:31:22,000
doesn't necessarily uh hit our aquifer

2215
01:31:22,000 --> 01:31:24,880
fast, but it will hit our aquifer at

2216
01:31:24,880 --> 01:31:27,679
some point. Um, so we need we do need to

2217
01:31:27,679 --> 01:31:29,040
conserve and we need to conserve for

2218
01:31:29,040 --> 01:31:33,840
those around us as well. Um, so

2219
01:31:33,840 --> 01:31:35,679
we're we're going to be looking at water

2220
01:31:35,679 --> 01:31:37,920
restrictions coming up um in the near

2221
01:31:37,920 --> 01:31:40,000
future when when Ted is and the mayor

2222
01:31:40,000 --> 01:31:42,560
are ready to to announce that.

2223
01:31:42,560 --> 01:31:44,159
>> Ted and I discussed this a little bit in

2224
01:31:44,159 --> 01:31:46,880
our staff meeting on Monday. Um so we

2225
01:31:46,880 --> 01:31:48,639
will as we make those types of

2226
01:31:48,639 --> 01:31:52,960
decisions, we will let everybody know.

2227
01:31:52,960 --> 01:31:56,480
>> Okay. Anything else, council?

2228
01:31:56,480 --> 01:31:58,239
>> No, I don't have anything.

2229
01:31:58,239 --> 01:32:00,560
>> Okay. Uh, Council Member Jones.

2230
01:32:00,560 --> 01:32:02,639
>> Yeah, on on that note, one of the topics

2231
01:32:02,639 --> 01:32:04,960
at the last home builders association

2232
01:32:04,960 --> 01:32:08,239
meeting was actually water. Um,

2233
01:32:08,239 --> 01:32:09,679
there there are some lobbyists going

2234
01:32:09,679 --> 01:32:12,080
around and maybe Ted, you you know some

2235
01:32:12,080 --> 01:32:13,440
something about this. Maybe it's

2236
01:32:13,440 --> 01:32:14,800
something that's been a topic on yours

2237
01:32:14,800 --> 01:32:17,679
too, Brian, but um the estimated daily

2238
01:32:17,679 --> 01:32:21,679
use, the EDU rating for Utah is at 400

2239
01:32:21,679 --> 01:32:25,199
gallons per day. Um

2240
01:32:25,199 --> 01:32:28,960
most states around us are less than 200.

2241
01:32:28,960 --> 01:32:31,120
Um so there are lobbyists going around

2242
01:32:31,120 --> 01:32:35,120
and uh trying to get Utah to be be

2243
01:32:35,120 --> 01:32:37,040
cutting that in half at least.

2244
01:32:37,040 --> 01:32:38,960
>> So yeah, what they've started doing is a

2245
01:32:38,960 --> 01:32:41,360
step towards that. So that was a state

2246
01:32:41,360 --> 01:32:43,600
requirement when you're sizing. That's

2247
01:32:43,600 --> 01:32:46,080
why developers are concerned with it

2248
01:32:46,080 --> 01:32:47,360
because they feel like we're oversizing

2249
01:32:47,360 --> 01:32:49,120
the infrastructure which costs more

2250
01:32:49,120 --> 01:32:52,560
money. Um, so the 400 gallons a day was

2251
01:32:52,560 --> 01:32:54,400
something that the state kind of put in

2252
01:32:54,400 --> 01:32:57,440
place as a general here's what your our

2253
01:32:57,440 --> 01:33:01,040
use guideline is. Now they've started

2254
01:33:01,040 --> 01:33:04,719
switching to rather than you using what

2255
01:33:04,719 --> 01:33:08,639
the state number is or they give you.

2256
01:33:08,639 --> 01:33:11,199
determine what your own number is

2257
01:33:11,199 --> 01:33:13,760
through your water use data. you go back

2258
01:33:13,760 --> 01:33:15,760
and look at your own use and then you

2259
01:33:15,760 --> 01:33:18,080
start sizing your facilities in your

2260
01:33:18,080 --> 01:33:20,000
master plan based on what your actual

2261
01:33:20,000 --> 01:33:22,639
data is and there's not they're not

2262
01:33:22,639 --> 01:33:27,199
wrong that 400's fairly high uh compared

2263
01:33:27,199 --> 01:33:31,520
to what like our numbers are. Uh so it

2264
01:33:31,520 --> 01:33:32,719
it'll be interesting to see where that

2265
01:33:32,719 --> 01:33:34,080
goes. But yeah, they're they're going

2266
01:33:34,080 --> 01:33:36,239
that way. I I don't know that I agree or

2267
01:33:36,239 --> 01:33:39,920
disagree with it. I think maybe we do.

2268
01:33:39,920 --> 01:33:43,440
Um, I think it's it's it's better to to

2269
01:33:43,440 --> 01:33:45,600
actually size our facilities on what is

2270
01:33:45,600 --> 01:33:47,120
and what the demands are rather than

2271
01:33:47,120 --> 01:33:49,840
just some arbitrary number.

2272
01:33:49,840 --> 01:33:52,000
>> You saying 400 per household or

2273
01:33:52,000 --> 01:33:54,320
>> Yes. 400 gallons per day per household.

2274
01:33:54,320 --> 01:33:56,639
>> So, you're looking at 12,000 gallons a

2275
01:33:56,639 --> 01:34:00,320
month than per household. Well, 400

2276
01:34:00,320 --> 01:34:03,600
gallons per day

2277
01:34:03,600 --> 01:34:06,239
per household is 400 times 30

2278
01:34:06,239 --> 01:34:07,280
>> is 12,000

2279
01:34:07,280 --> 01:34:09,920
>> 12,000 gallons indoor use doesn't count

2280
01:34:09,920 --> 01:34:10,880
outdoor

2281
01:34:10,880 --> 01:34:12,400
>> which is really high

2282
01:34:12,400 --> 01:34:13,840
>> which is generally about three times

2283
01:34:13,840 --> 01:34:14,880
that

2284
01:34:14,880 --> 01:34:17,199
>> we have a lot of kids.

2285
01:34:17,199 --> 01:34:18,719
>> Yeah, it is Utah.

2286
01:34:18,719 --> 01:34:19,840
>> Ted, what are we at?

2287
01:34:19,840 --> 01:34:20,800
>> Bomb showers,

2288
01:34:20,800 --> 01:34:21,360
>> you know.

2289
01:34:21,360 --> 01:34:23,280
>> Uh I could look our numbers but we were

2290
01:34:23,280 --> 01:34:25,600
generally about half of that probably.

2291
01:34:25,600 --> 01:34:28,239
>> So we're around 200 internal use. We're

2292
01:34:28,239 --> 01:34:30,239
better at the national average.

2293
01:34:30,239 --> 01:34:32,000
>> No, that's just an arbitrary number. The

2294
01:34:32,000 --> 01:34:33,360
state used through some state studies

2295
01:34:33,360 --> 01:34:35,199
years ago. What they are finding is

2296
01:34:35,199 --> 01:34:36,480
they're actually doing cities are

2297
01:34:36,480 --> 01:34:38,239
actually doing their own study to see

2298
01:34:38,239 --> 01:34:39,679
what their actual use is. They're

2299
01:34:39,679 --> 01:34:43,120
finding is less uh not just our city but

2300
01:34:43,120 --> 01:34:45,360
others. So it's not like an national

2301
01:34:45,360 --> 01:34:48,080
average. This is just a state arbitrary

2302
01:34:48,080 --> 01:34:50,960
number they had of the 400 gallons and I

2303
01:34:50,960 --> 01:34:52,639
think it was 800 when you're sizing

2304
01:34:52,639 --> 01:34:53,760
water tanks or something like that. But

2305
01:34:53,760 --> 01:34:56,560
now you don't pay are are the the water

2306
01:34:56,560 --> 01:34:58,719
tank uh the storage criteria is not far

2307
01:34:58,719 --> 01:35:01,280
off what the state is but the actual

2308
01:35:01,280 --> 01:35:03,920
demand which is what sizes your pipes

2309
01:35:03,920 --> 01:35:05,840
has been a little high generally and I

2310
01:35:05,840 --> 01:35:07,040
think that's been the push from the

2311
01:35:07,040 --> 01:35:09,440
developers is we're oversizing all our

2312
01:35:09,440 --> 01:35:11,360
infrastructure. Now I don't know if

2313
01:35:11,360 --> 01:35:13,040
that's going to change the size of the

2314
01:35:13,040 --> 01:35:15,360
infrastructure

2315
01:35:15,360 --> 01:35:17,840
because ultimately you still need a high

2316
01:35:17,840 --> 01:35:21,199
demand for uh fire hazards.

2317
01:35:21,199 --> 01:35:22,639
>> Yeah. And whether you're doing 400

2318
01:35:22,639 --> 01:35:23,760
gallons a day or not, it doesn't matter

2319
01:35:23,760 --> 01:35:25,440
because a fire hydrant flow is what's

2320
01:35:25,440 --> 01:35:27,040
going to determine the size pipe. And

2321
01:35:27,040 --> 01:35:28,719
you need about a minimum 8 inch pipe,

2322
01:35:28,719 --> 01:35:29,920
which is what the state says is your

2323
01:35:29,920 --> 01:35:32,400
minimum piping use. So,

2324
01:35:32,400 --> 01:35:35,360
>> makes sense. Okay. Yeah. So, kind of an

2325
01:35:35,360 --> 01:35:37,920
interesting topic. So, if you're looking

2326
01:35:37,920 --> 01:35:41,760
at that, it's going around.

2327
01:35:41,760 --> 01:35:43,840
>> I like these reports. They're fun.

2328
01:35:43,840 --> 01:35:45,840
Council member Le,

2329
01:35:45,840 --> 01:35:48,159
>> um, we're the Maple Festival on

2330
01:35:48,159 --> 01:35:49,679
Saturday.

2331
01:35:49,679 --> 01:35:52,400
Um, and I think everything is pretty

2332
01:35:52,400 --> 01:35:54,400
much in place. I don't have a flag

2333
01:35:54,400 --> 01:35:56,080
ceremony

2334
01:35:56,080 --> 01:35:59,120
still. Um, I had someone that was trying

2335
01:35:59,120 --> 01:36:01,440
to get they were trying to get with the

2336
01:36:01,440 --> 01:36:04,480
VFW and get uh Spencer was going to get

2337
01:36:04,480 --> 01:36:06,159
somebody for me, but he wasn't able to.

2338
01:36:06,159 --> 01:36:09,679
So, if you know somebody

2339
01:36:09,679 --> 01:36:12,320
uh if not, I'll just tell them not I

2340
01:36:12,320 --> 01:36:14,080
don't know why they need it necessarily,

2341
01:36:14,080 --> 01:36:16,320
but they did it last year and wanted to

2342
01:36:16,320 --> 01:36:18,960
have it again. And then, um, should be

2343
01:36:18,960 --> 01:36:21,199
good. It's 10 to 2 at the park.

2344
01:36:21,199 --> 01:36:23,199
>> Is this a bring your snowshoes type of

2345
01:36:23,199 --> 01:36:24,000
event?

2346
01:36:24,000 --> 01:36:28,629
>> I know it's snowing on Friday.

2347
01:36:28,639 --> 01:36:31,440
» Um, it'll be in the street if it is.

2348
01:36:31,440 --> 01:36:35,040
Yeah. So, if it's wet, odds are it'll be

2349
01:36:35,040 --> 01:36:37,679
in the street. Um, and then we met with

2350
01:36:37,679 --> 01:36:40,560
the finance committee this last week and

2351
01:36:40,560 --> 01:36:42,639
went over what we went over as a

2352
01:36:42,639 --> 01:36:45,040
council. U, they had some good

2353
01:36:45,040 --> 01:36:47,280
suggestions. one of the finance members

2354
01:36:47,280 --> 01:36:50,719
was quite the hawk on the numbers and I

2355
01:36:50,719 --> 01:36:53,520
went back and listened to the recording

2356
01:36:53,520 --> 01:36:58,080
and anyway it's another story but um

2357
01:36:58,080 --> 01:36:59,920
they they did have a couple of

2358
01:36:59,920 --> 01:37:02,639
suggestions they do think that uh for

2359
01:37:02,639 --> 01:37:04,320
council because we don't really get a

2360
01:37:04,320 --> 01:37:07,199
wage they think it should be should show

2361
01:37:07,199 --> 01:37:09,119
us a stipend

2362
01:37:09,119 --> 01:37:11,920
and not pay FICA on that and then end up

2363
01:37:11,920 --> 01:37:14,239
just maybe $1099 council members because

2364
01:37:14,239 --> 01:37:16,480
it's such a small amount and it's it's

2365
01:37:16,480 --> 01:37:18,480
really not a wage. It really is just a

2366
01:37:18,480 --> 01:37:21,440
stipend for gas and stuff. So, that was

2367
01:37:21,440 --> 01:37:23,040
a suggestion they had. And then they

2368
01:37:23,040 --> 01:37:25,600
also requested that anything that's

2369
01:37:25,600 --> 01:37:27,840
10,000 or more that there be an

2370
01:37:27,840 --> 01:37:30,000
explanation like a breakout. Some of

2371
01:37:30,000 --> 01:37:31,360
those categories have several things

2372
01:37:31,360 --> 01:37:34,400
that roll into there. They wanted more

2373
01:37:34,400 --> 01:37:37,360
detail. Uh but they they liked

2374
01:37:37,360 --> 01:37:39,679
everything. They agreed with all of our

2375
01:37:39,679 --> 01:37:41,040
decisions. They liked everything that

2376
01:37:41,040 --> 01:37:44,000
they saw mostly. Uh but those were just

2377
01:37:44,000 --> 01:37:47,600
some questions that they had.

2378
01:37:47,600 --> 01:37:49,280
>> What?

2379
01:37:49,280 --> 01:37:50,719
>> So when they're asking for a breakout,

2380
01:37:50,719 --> 01:37:52,480
do we need to attend a meeting to give

2381
01:37:52,480 --> 01:37:54,639
them a breakout? What would they like?

2382
01:37:54,639 --> 01:37:56,639
>> I'll be providing that in an email form.

2383
01:37:56,639 --> 01:37:59,040
>> Thank you.

2384
01:37:59,040 --> 01:38:01,760
>> Yes. And uh the next meeting I won't be

2385
01:38:01,760 --> 01:38:04,560
able to attend May 5th. So they've

2386
01:38:04,560 --> 01:38:07,040
actually requested that Jod and or Lori

2387
01:38:07,040 --> 01:38:09,360
be there. spoken with Lori and she's

2388
01:38:09,360 --> 01:38:10,960
planning on it

2389
01:38:10,960 --> 01:38:12,639
>> just so they can answer some more

2390
01:38:12,639 --> 01:38:14,320
detailed questions. There was really

2391
01:38:14,320 --> 01:38:16,000
only one question that I didn't have the

2392
01:38:16,000 --> 01:38:17,679
answer to, but one of the members was

2393
01:38:17,679 --> 01:38:20,639
really bothered that I didn't have every

2394
01:38:20,639 --> 01:38:23,280
single answer that he wanted. And part

2395
01:38:23,280 --> 01:38:25,440
of the budget we we didn't go over in

2396
01:38:25,440 --> 01:38:27,360
council because the fixed costs we

2397
01:38:27,360 --> 01:38:29,679
didn't go over. A lot of it I knew from

2398
01:38:29,679 --> 01:38:31,520
previous discussions, but there were a

2399
01:38:31,520 --> 01:38:33,760
couple of things that I wasn't 100% sure

2400
01:38:33,760 --> 01:38:37,119
exactly what went into the number and um

2401
01:38:37,119 --> 01:38:39,360
he didn't like that. So

2402
01:38:39,360 --> 01:38:40,719
>> that's okay.

2403
01:38:40,719 --> 01:38:41,199
>> Anyway,

2404
01:38:41,199 --> 01:38:42,800
>> we have an agenda for the May 5th or is

2405
01:38:42,800 --> 01:38:44,159
it just going to be discussion of the

2406
01:38:44,159 --> 01:38:46,239
2027 fiscal year budget?

2407
01:38:46,239 --> 01:38:48,880
>> Yes, I'll then

2408
01:38:48,880 --> 01:38:50,480
>> it'll be the same probably agenda that

2409
01:38:50,480 --> 01:38:53,199
it was last time. You can just repeat

2410
01:38:53,199 --> 01:38:57,280
it. Jen, was there any comment about

2411
01:38:57,280 --> 01:38:58,960
bringing forth these questions in

2412
01:38:58,960 --> 01:39:01,280
advance so you can get answers to them

2413
01:39:01,280 --> 01:39:02,880
and take them back to the committee?

2414
01:39:02,880 --> 01:39:04,719
>> There's a bunch in an email from Mike

2415
01:39:04,719 --> 01:39:08,000
Meyers. He sent an email with a bunch of

2416
01:39:08,000 --> 01:39:08,719
questions.

2417
01:39:08,719 --> 01:39:09,760
>> Thank you, Michael.

2418
01:39:09,760 --> 01:39:14,400
>> And then I have a bunch uh here too. And

2419
01:39:14,400 --> 01:39:17,199
um I put them in the minutes that I

2420
01:39:17,199 --> 01:39:19,280
typed up yesterday.

2421
01:39:19,280 --> 01:39:21,119
So,

2422
01:39:21,119 --> 01:39:23,199
but I could send out the question as as

2423
01:39:23,199 --> 01:39:24,480
well to

2424
01:39:24,480 --> 01:39:27,119
>> it kind of seems unfair to you. I mean,

2425
01:39:27,119 --> 01:39:30,320
there's there it's so broad and the

2426
01:39:30,320 --> 01:39:33,360
questions can run the gamut that and

2427
01:39:33,360 --> 01:39:35,119
there's going there'll be answers to

2428
01:39:35,119 --> 01:39:38,639
them, but that it, you know,

2429
01:39:38,639 --> 01:39:42,880
>> in part there was a piece of it that was on me. you know, by the time I

2430
01:39:42,880 --> 01:39:44,400
was able to coordinate with Lori and get

2431
01:39:44,400 --> 01:39:46,480
through a lot of those numbers present,

2432
01:39:46,480 --> 01:39:48,239
I presented it to them a little bit

2433
01:39:48,239 --> 01:39:51,119
later than I wanted to. And so that was

2434
01:39:51,119 --> 01:39:52,719
really them looking at it for the first

2435
01:39:52,719 --> 01:39:55,040
time in that meeting. So now they're

2436
01:39:55,040 --> 01:39:56,880
going to send me all the numbers and

2437
01:39:56,880 --> 01:39:59,040
questions that they have that are just

2438
01:39:59,040 --> 01:40:01,679
what is this type of question. So I'll

2439
01:40:01,679 --> 01:40:03,440
be able to provide that. So then their

2440
01:40:03,440 --> 01:40:05,199
questions coming in this next meeting

2441
01:40:05,199 --> 01:40:07,679
will be more substantative versus just

2442
01:40:07,679 --> 01:40:09,280
inquisitive.

2443
01:40:09,280 --> 01:40:10,719
>> Yeah. And like I say, they there were a

2444
01:40:10,719 --> 01:40:12,239
lot of on the fixed costs that they had

2445
01:40:12,239 --> 01:40:13,840
questions on that we didn't necessarily

2446
01:40:13,840 --> 01:40:15,679
go over in great detail in the council

2447
01:40:15,679 --> 01:40:16,719
meeting because we went over the

2448
01:40:16,719 --> 01:40:18,639
variables, right? That was the agenda of

2449
01:40:18,639 --> 01:40:20,320
our meeting.

2450
01:40:20,320 --> 01:40:22,480
But it it was good. Like I say, I had

2451
01:40:22,480 --> 01:40:23,920
most of the answers, but there were a

2452
01:40:23,920 --> 01:40:26,880
couple that I wasn't sure.

2453
01:40:26,880 --> 01:40:29,119
So, we'll get Lori in the hot seat next

2454
01:40:29,119 --> 01:40:30,480
time. I'll be in Kawaii.

2455
01:40:30,480 --> 01:40:32,320
>> She knows everything anyway, so it'll be

2456
01:40:32,320 --> 01:40:34,239
good. Okay. Anything else?

2457
01:40:34,239 --> 01:40:35,040
>> Nope, that's it.

2458
01:40:35,040 --> 01:40:36,639
>> Okay. Council member Malovich is

2459
01:40:36,639 --> 01:40:40,000
excused. Um, Council Member Roden.

2460
01:40:40,000 --> 01:40:42,239
>> Uh, no. The only thing after the Maple

2461
01:40:42,239 --> 01:40:46,159
Festival, we have the fire and EMS expo

2462
01:40:46,159 --> 01:40:48,159
that we want to get working on. So, Ted

2463
01:40:48,159 --> 01:40:49,360
and I need to get together, make sure

2464
01:40:49,360 --> 01:40:51,679
that I have an understanding of what the

2465
01:40:51,679 --> 01:40:53,600
plan is for this year, and then we're

2466
01:40:53,600 --> 01:40:54,639
going to get out in front from a

2467
01:40:54,639 --> 01:40:56,239
marketing perspective, just let people

2468
01:40:56,239 --> 01:40:59,280
know what it is. And and it it is

2469
01:40:59,280 --> 01:41:00,960
interesting. You've probably seen it,

2470
01:41:00,960 --> 01:41:03,520
Ted, and everybody here. Just used to be

2471
01:41:03,520 --> 01:41:05,360
a lot of kids that would come and now as

2472
01:41:05,360 --> 01:41:07,280
we age as a city, it may not. I don't

2473
01:41:07,280 --> 01:41:08,960
know if it's grandkids that are coming

2474
01:41:08,960 --> 01:41:11,600
as much or if it's what the dynamic or

2475
01:41:11,600 --> 01:41:13,199
what the demographic looks like from a

2476
01:41:13,199 --> 01:41:14,880
shift. So, we'll take that into

2477
01:41:14,880 --> 01:41:18,239
consideration as we market the event.

2478
01:41:18,239 --> 01:41:21,760
So, but uh that's the next one on the

2479
01:41:21,760 --> 01:41:24,960
list from an event perspective.

2480
01:41:24,960 --> 01:41:26,639
>> Thank you.

2481
01:41:26,639 --> 01:41:28,480
>> Um

2482
01:41:28,480 --> 01:41:31,360
also with you uh Dan.

2483
01:41:31,360 --> 01:41:32,080
>> Yeah.

2484
01:41:32,080 --> 01:41:33,760
>> Uh

2485
01:41:33,760 --> 01:41:35,760
so we talked a little bit today. We've

2486
01:41:35,760 --> 01:41:37,840
got a new program that we're working on.

2487
01:41:37,840 --> 01:41:40,239
Um, and it is a communications software

2488
01:41:40,239 --> 01:41:42,960
that is predominantly focused around

2489
01:41:42,960 --> 01:41:45,040
water and water usage and communications

2490
01:41:45,040 --> 01:41:46,320
around water.

2491
01:41:46,320 --> 01:41:51,679
>> Um, though I think there may be some options there for us to consider.

2492
01:41:51,679 --> 01:41:52,960
>> So, we'll talk a little bit about that

2493
01:41:52,960 --> 01:41:55,119
and then we'll we'll go into deeper

2494
01:41:55,119 --> 01:41:57,360
detail in a future council meeting.

2495
01:41:57,360 --> 01:41:58,080
>> Sounds great.

2496
01:41:58,080 --> 01:42:00,480
>> Um, on that from your IT assignment

2497
01:42:00,480 --> 01:42:02,719
there. So, perfect. Thank you. And Dan,

2498
01:42:02,719 --> 01:42:05,119
we need to meet with uh Woodland Hills

2499
01:42:05,119 --> 01:42:07,199
crew. Woodland Hills Days crew.

2500
01:42:07,199 --> 01:42:07,840
>> Yes.

2501
01:42:07,840 --> 01:42:09,520
>> Probably the end of April. So, kind of

2502
01:42:09,520 --> 01:42:11,360
keep that on your So, I just figured

2503
01:42:11,360 --> 01:42:12,960
that as soon as we got Maple Festival

2504
01:42:12,960 --> 01:42:14,000
over with,

2505
01:42:14,000 --> 01:42:16,000
>> then we could meet and we need to figure

2506
01:42:16,000 --> 01:42:18,239
out a new couple to bring in

2507
01:42:18,239 --> 01:42:19,600
>> for chair.

2508
01:42:19,600 --> 01:42:20,480
>> Uh-huh.

2509
01:42:20,480 --> 01:42:23,600
>> So, um the Lowe's will still be the the

2510
01:42:23,600 --> 01:42:24,400
presiding.

2511
01:42:24,400 --> 01:42:24,800
>> Yep.

2512
01:42:24,800 --> 01:42:26,480
>> But we need a new one like a training.

2513
01:42:26,480 --> 01:42:28,560
So, think if you think of anybody

2514
01:42:28,560 --> 01:42:30,320
>> and not our neighborhood cuz our

2515
01:42:30,320 --> 01:42:31,920
neighborhood's gotten hit pretty hard.

2516
01:42:31,920 --> 01:42:32,880
So, we need to try and get

2517
01:42:32,880 --> 01:42:33,920
>> We're tapped out.

2518
01:42:33,920 --> 01:42:37,040
>> We need another part of town.

2519
01:42:37,040 --> 01:42:39,440
>> Wonderful. Okay. Anything for any

2520
01:42:39,440 --> 01:42:45,030
upcoming city council meetings?

2521
01:42:45,040 --> 01:42:47,760
Anything from you, Brian?

2522
01:42:47,760 --> 01:42:49,760
No. Okay.

2523
01:42:49,760 --> 01:42:53,760
Uh, wonderful. Okay, then it is

2524
01:42:53,760 --> 01:42:55,360
7:44.

2525
01:42:55,360 --> 01:42:58,159
Let's uh start back up. Let's take a

2526
01:42:58,159 --> 01:43:03,750
quick break and let us start at 7:45.

2527
01:43:03,760 --> 01:43:04,880
» One minute break.

2528
01:43:04,880 --> 01:43:05,840
>> I was thinking

2529
01:43:05,840 --> 01:43:13,430
>> it's 7:41. Sorry.

2530
01:43:13,440 --> 01:43:16,000
» Okay. Welcome everybody to city council.

2531
01:43:16,000 --> 01:43:18,719
Um we are going to have an invocation

2532
01:43:18,719 --> 01:43:20,880
from council member Lunt and a pledge of

2533
01:43:20,880 --> 01:43:23,679
allegiance from council member John's.

2534
01:43:23,679 --> 01:43:27,189
Our

2535
01:43:27,199 --> 01:43:28,639
dear kind and gracious heavenly father,

2536
01:43:28,639 --> 01:43:31,520
we're so grateful that we could gather

2537
01:43:31,520 --> 01:43:34,480
together this evening to work on city

2538
01:43:34,480 --> 01:43:37,440
matters and to discuss

2539
01:43:37,440 --> 01:43:39,760
our general plan and different things

2540
01:43:39,760 --> 01:43:43,040
that need to be discussed so that we can

2541
01:43:43,040 --> 01:43:44,800
make sure that we are covering all the

2542
01:43:44,800 --> 01:43:46,159
ideas that are going to be best for our

2543
01:43:46,159 --> 01:43:48,400
community. And we're grateful for this

2544
01:43:48,400 --> 01:43:51,199
opportunity to serve and to look out for

2545
01:43:51,199 --> 01:43:53,679
our city and its residents. and please

2546
01:43:53,679 --> 01:43:56,159
watch over our community and our city as

2547
01:43:56,159 --> 01:43:58,239
we come into fire season that our

2548
01:43:58,239 --> 01:44:00,159
community will continue to be protected

2549
01:44:00,159 --> 01:44:02,560
and we're so grateful for all those that

2550
01:44:02,560 --> 01:44:03,840
are willing to serve on all the

2551
01:44:03,840 --> 01:44:06,320
committees that we have and for all of

2552
01:44:06,320 --> 01:44:08,400
those that are in need. Please help us

2553
01:44:08,400 --> 01:44:10,000
to be mindful of our neighbors and we

2554
01:44:10,000 --> 01:44:11,119
say these things in the name of Jesus

2555
01:44:11,119 --> 01:44:11,920
Christ. Amen.

2556
01:44:11,920 --> 01:44:13,679
>> Amen.

2557
01:44:13,679 --> 01:44:15,679
>> Please join me in reciting the pledge of

2558
01:44:15,679 --> 01:44:18,000
allegiance.

2559
01:44:18,000 --> 01:44:21,440
I pledge algiance to the flag of the

2560
01:44:21,440 --> 01:44:24,400
United States of America and to the

2561
01:44:24,400 --> 01:44:28,000
republic for which it stands. One nation

2562
01:44:28,000 --> 01:44:31,760
under God, indivisible, with liberty and

2563
01:44:31,760 --> 01:44:36,550
justice for all.

2564
01:44:36,560 --> 01:44:40,560
Thank you both. Okay, we'll go into the

2565
01:44:40,560 --> 01:44:42,719
Oh, perfect. We'll go into the public

2566
01:44:42,719 --> 01:44:45,600
comment uh section. So, if there's any

2567
01:44:45,600 --> 01:44:47,679
comments, uh, we'd like to limit them to

2568
01:44:47,679 --> 01:44:50,800
2 minutes or less if possible. Um, only

2569
01:44:50,800 --> 01:44:52,880
in-person comments will be included as

2570
01:44:52,880 --> 01:44:55,520
part of the official record.

2571
01:44:55,520 --> 01:44:59,679
>> So, do we have any public comment here?

2572
01:44:59,679 --> 01:45:00,159
>> Okay.

2573
01:45:00,159 --> 01:45:01,600
>> Sure, please. We'd love to hear from

2574
01:45:01,600 --> 01:45:02,239
you.

2575
01:45:02,239 --> 01:45:03,760
>> And if you could state your name for the

2576
01:45:03,760 --> 01:45:04,320
record, please.

2577
01:45:04,320 --> 01:45:06,400
>> Absolutely. So, I'm Matt Durant. Um, I'm

2578
01:45:06,400 --> 01:45:08,639
a candidate for House District 64. So, I

2579
01:45:08,639 --> 01:45:10,239
was just hoping to come to the council

2580
01:45:10,239 --> 01:45:13,280
meetings, introduce myself, and just if

2581
01:45:13,280 --> 01:45:14,719
I get elected, I look forward to working

2582
01:45:14,719 --> 01:45:15,520
with you.

2583
01:45:15,520 --> 01:45:17,119
>> Well, wonderful. Thanks for showing up.

2584
01:45:17,119 --> 01:45:17,920
Appreciate it.

2585
01:45:17,920 --> 01:45:18,800
>> Thank you.

2586
01:45:18,800 --> 01:45:21,119
>> Thanks, man.

2587
01:45:21,119 --> 01:45:22,560
>> We'll have to look you up. I want to see

2588
01:45:22,560 --> 01:45:26,639
what your uh platform is.

2589
01:45:26,639 --> 01:45:29,520
>> Diana,

2590
01:45:29,520 --> 01:45:31,760
>> hey, thanks for your mention about her

2591
01:45:31,760 --> 01:45:32,800
soliciting.

2592
01:45:32,800 --> 01:45:33,280
>> Oh,

2593
01:45:33,280 --> 01:45:34,239
>> I of course

2594
01:45:34,239 --> 01:45:37,840
>> I don't know what to do. I've had it.

2595
01:45:37,840 --> 01:45:38,400
Well,

2596
01:45:38,400 --> 01:45:41,119
>> one guy came twice and you know, my

2597
01:45:41,119 --> 01:45:42,960
daughter with Down syndrome is in our

2598
01:45:42,960 --> 01:45:45,920
yard and I don't feel safe with

2599
01:45:45,920 --> 01:45:49,119
strangers in and out and Thank you.

2600
01:45:49,119 --> 01:45:50,560
>> And yeah, you know, when I'm gone to

2601
01:45:50,560 --> 01:45:53,440
work and my camera will register and

2602
01:45:53,440 --> 01:45:55,199
it's just unnerving cuz they're waiting

2603
01:45:55,199 --> 01:45:56,480
for you to answer the door and you

2604
01:45:56,480 --> 01:45:58,000
don't, but they look around and they

2605
01:45:58,000 --> 01:45:59,920
look around in the backyard cuz my porch

2606
01:45:59,920 --> 01:46:01,840
looks into the backyard. So, I always

2607
01:46:01,840 --> 01:46:03,360
catch him on camera looking into my

2608
01:46:03,360 --> 01:46:04,800
backyard and kind of peeking in the

2609
01:46:04,800 --> 01:46:06,880
windows and I'm like, "Get off my

2610
01:46:06,880 --> 01:46:08,480
porch."

2611
01:46:08,480 --> 01:46:09,440
Right.

2612
01:46:09,440 --> 01:46:11,600
>> I'm not always available to immediately

2613
01:46:11,600 --> 01:46:12,639
respond,

2614
01:46:12,639 --> 01:46:13,360
>> of course,

2615
01:46:13,360 --> 01:46:18,239
>> because I'm with someone else. So, if

2616
01:46:18,239 --> 01:46:20,560
>> our hope is that residents will figure

2617
01:46:20,560 --> 01:46:22,960
out

2618
01:46:22,960 --> 01:46:23,760
>> tomorrow,

2619
01:46:23,760 --> 01:46:25,679
>> we uh hopefully everybody will

2620
01:46:25,679 --> 01:46:27,840
understand and know that they can ask if

2621
01:46:27,840 --> 01:46:31,119
somebody does show up, right? um that

2622
01:46:31,119 --> 01:46:34,239
they can ask and you can ask for their

2623
01:46:34,239 --> 01:46:36,800
business license with this city and they

2624
01:46:36,800 --> 01:46:41,119
can't preside it then let us know give

2625
01:46:41,119 --> 01:46:44,400
us a ring. Um, I found somebody the

2626
01:46:44,400 --> 01:46:47,360
other day who knocked on my door and you

2627
01:46:47,360 --> 01:46:49,119
know, I shouldn't maybe admit this on

2628
01:46:49,119 --> 01:46:50,400
the public record, but I got a little

2629
01:46:50,400 --> 01:46:53,199
bit of a kick, you know, when they uh

2630
01:46:53,199 --> 01:46:54,880
when they try and tell me that they do

2631
01:46:54,880 --> 01:46:59,600
have lensure within the city um that I

2632
01:46:59,600 --> 01:47:02,560
haven't, you know, seen. And so we

2633
01:47:02,560 --> 01:47:04,320
walked them right over here and what

2634
01:47:04,320 --> 01:47:06,080
actually had happened is they had gone

2635
01:47:06,080 --> 01:47:08,080
over to a neighboring city and they had

2636
01:47:08,080 --> 01:47:09,920
been told, this is what they're telling

2637
01:47:09,920 --> 01:47:12,560
us, right, that that license covered our

2638
01:47:12,560 --> 01:47:14,560
city as well. And so we were able to

2639
01:47:14,560 --> 01:47:16,560
help them and re-educate them a bit and

2640
01:47:16,560 --> 01:47:18,320
they came back and they provided us with

2641
01:47:18,320 --> 01:47:21,119
their their background check. Um, and we

2642
01:47:21,119 --> 01:47:23,040
were able to issue them a business

2643
01:47:23,040 --> 01:47:25,679
license for Woodland Hills. Um, and so

2644
01:47:25,679 --> 01:47:28,239
they should have that on their person.

2645
01:47:28,239 --> 01:47:30,639
If they do not, they have not come to us

2646
01:47:30,639 --> 01:47:33,280
because they've not been educated. Um,

2647
01:47:33,280 --> 01:47:36,159
and like I said in my message this week,

2648
01:47:36,159 --> 01:47:38,719
um, if you have kids, they don't need a

2649
01:47:38,719 --> 01:47:43,119
business license. Um, but we also really

2650
01:47:43,119 --> 01:47:44,800
personally I'd like to foster that

2651
01:47:44,800 --> 01:47:46,960
entrepreneurial spirit with our our

2652
01:47:46,960 --> 01:47:48,960
young residents. And so, they just need

2653
01:47:48,960 --> 01:47:51,520
to come in, talk with Jody. Jody will

2654
01:47:51,520 --> 01:47:53,600
ask some some questions and it's more

2655
01:47:53,600 --> 01:47:56,320
for their benefit than anybody else's.

2656
01:47:56,320 --> 01:47:58,960
um and then they'll be authorized and

2657
01:47:58,960 --> 01:48:01,199
they can even put on their handouts or

2658
01:48:01,199 --> 01:48:04,080
anything that they are city approved. Um

2659
01:48:04,080 --> 01:48:05,840
and so we can kind of foster that type

2660
01:48:05,840 --> 01:48:08,239
of a thing. But there are some people

2661
01:48:08,239 --> 01:48:11,280
that have carveouts that do not need it.

2662
01:48:11,280 --> 01:48:15,040
So religious petitioners do not need a

2663
01:48:15,040 --> 01:48:17,840
business license obviously. Um but

2664
01:48:17,840 --> 01:48:22,239
pretty much everybody else does. Um, if

2665
01:48:22,239 --> 01:48:24,719
they say they're not soliciting, but

2666
01:48:24,719 --> 01:48:28,000
they want to do a presentation,

2667
01:48:28,000 --> 01:48:30,960
lean back on them and say, "Well, if

2668
01:48:30,960 --> 01:48:33,360
this petition, this presentation has

2669
01:48:33,360 --> 01:48:35,280
anything to do with any solicitation

2670
01:48:35,280 --> 01:48:37,760
eventually, you need a business license.

2671
01:48:37,760 --> 01:48:41,199
You can't try and usurp it." Right? So,

2672
01:48:41,199 --> 01:48:43,520
but if missionaries show up, it's just a

2673
01:48:43,520 --> 01:48:45,360
presentation. And that's why they're

2674
01:48:45,360 --> 01:48:48,320
able to and allowed to do that. Okay.

2675
01:48:48,320 --> 01:48:51,440
>> Is solar a religion? Uh solar uh is a

2676
01:48:51,440 --> 01:48:53,280
religion for some but I don't believe it

2677
01:48:53,280 --> 01:48:56,960
is uh seen in the same light though

2678
01:48:56,960 --> 01:49:00,000
light is involved. It's a different uh

2679
01:49:00,000 --> 01:49:00,960
>> different kind of light

2680
01:49:00,960 --> 01:49:02,880
>> say source.

2681
01:49:02,880 --> 01:49:04,400
>> Perfect. Thank you.

2682
01:49:04,400 --> 01:49:06,400
>> Do we have an ordinance if we have it

2683
01:49:06,400 --> 01:49:09,119
posted no soliciting that can actually

2684
01:49:09,119 --> 01:49:10,560
be

2685
01:49:10,560 --> 01:49:12,000
>> we don't have one that says no

2686
01:49:12,000 --> 01:49:13,679
soliciting in the city.

2687
01:49:13,679 --> 01:49:14,800
>> It just says no.

2688
01:49:14,800 --> 01:49:16,159
>> What about for individuals like your

2689
01:49:16,159 --> 01:49:18,480
home has a no soliciting? That would be

2690
01:49:18,480 --> 01:49:20,480
where you ask them to honor people's

2691
01:49:20,480 --> 01:49:23,199
things, but we can't

2692
01:49:23,199 --> 01:49:26,960
>> enforce it. It public

2693
01:49:26,960 --> 01:49:29,119
>> I could run you some dogs.

2694
01:49:29,119 --> 01:49:31,679
>> Yeah, exactly.

2695
01:49:31,679 --> 01:49:34,239
>> Perfect. Okay. Thank you so much. Uh,

2696
01:49:34,239 --> 01:49:36,719
nobody's online, so we will continue on

2697
01:49:36,719 --> 01:49:39,280
and we will close the public comment.

2698
01:49:39,280 --> 01:49:41,600
So, uh, we will move to the consent

2699
01:49:41,600 --> 01:49:44,159
agenda. So, on the consent agenda is our

2700
01:49:44,159 --> 01:49:46,400
meeting minutes for our March 10th

2701
01:49:46,400 --> 01:49:48,639
meeting as well as our March 24th

2702
01:49:48,639 --> 01:49:50,960
meeting. I'll take those individually or

2703
01:49:50,960 --> 01:49:52,560
collectively, whichever.

2704
01:49:52,560 --> 01:49:54,880
>> I'll make a motion that we approve the

2705
01:49:54,880 --> 01:49:57,199
entire consent agenda.

2706
01:49:57,199 --> 01:49:59,119
>> I have motion. Do I have a second? I'll

2707
01:49:59,119 --> 01:50:02,080
second. Real quick, Jody, did you make

2708
01:50:02,080 --> 01:50:05,119
the change that I sent

2709
01:50:05,119 --> 01:50:08,000
>> change on the March 24th minutes to

2710
01:50:08,000 --> 01:50:11,679
include that you were here in person and

2711
01:50:11,679 --> 01:50:15,040
Mayor Hillier participated elect.

2712
01:50:15,040 --> 01:50:16,239
>> Thank you.

2713
01:50:16,239 --> 01:50:18,480
Brian. Okay. I have a motion

2714
01:50:18,480 --> 01:50:19,920
from council member Lunt and a second

2715
01:50:19,920 --> 01:50:21,920
from council member Rhden. Uh all in

2716
01:50:21,920 --> 01:50:23,920
favor? I

2717
01:50:23,920 --> 01:50:24,960
>> I

2718
01:50:24,960 --> 01:50:27,040
>> any opposed

2719
01:50:27,040 --> 01:50:28,880
>> that motion roll call because I'm

2720
01:50:28,880 --> 01:50:30,960
online.

2721
01:50:30,960 --> 01:50:32,639
>> Yes, we have to do

2722
01:50:32,639 --> 01:50:34,880
>> on the consent. Thank you. We'll get

2723
01:50:34,880 --> 01:50:38,719
this one day. Um so we got to adjust our

2724
01:50:38,719 --> 01:50:39,679
my cheat sheet here.

2725
01:50:39,679 --> 01:50:41,360
>> That's why it says roll call no unless

2726
01:50:41,360 --> 01:50:43,440
they are remote participants.

2727
01:50:43,440 --> 01:50:45,199
>> Never mind. I just need to read what you

2728
01:50:45,199 --> 01:50:46,719
give me.

2729
01:50:46,719 --> 01:50:48,800
>> Okay. Uh council member Jones.

2730
01:50:48,800 --> 01:50:49,679
>> Uh yes.

2731
01:50:49,679 --> 01:50:51,600
>> Council member Hutchings.

2732
01:50:51,600 --> 01:50:53,760
>> Yes. Council member Rhoden,

2733
01:50:53,760 --> 01:50:54,239
>> yes.

2734
01:50:54,239 --> 01:50:55,360
>> Council member Lent,

2735
01:50:55,360 --> 01:50:56,159
>> yes.

2736
01:50:56,159 --> 01:51:00,080
>> Okay, that motion passes. Um, next on

2737
01:51:00,080 --> 01:51:04,639
our uh agenda, we have a discussion for

2738
01:51:04,639 --> 01:51:06,960
the sale of surplus equipment, which we

2739
01:51:06,960 --> 01:51:14,390
will turn over to Ted Mickelson.

2740
01:51:14,400 --> 01:51:16,480
All right, we got two items we want to

2741
01:51:16,480 --> 01:51:19,440
sell and uh it says we have to have the

2742
01:51:19,440 --> 01:51:23,119
council over I think it's $20,000.

2743
01:51:23,119 --> 01:51:26,800
>> Yes, 20,000. Um so one we're looking at,

2744
01:51:26,800 --> 01:51:28,080
as we mentioned before, we're looking at

2745
01:51:28,080 --> 01:51:30,960
selling our fire engine, our our sec our

2746
01:51:30,960 --> 01:51:33,600
old fire engine. Um that one we're

2747
01:51:33,600 --> 01:51:34,880
starting to get. Brian's got some

2748
01:51:34,880 --> 01:51:38,000
offers, at least one offer so far uh on

2749
01:51:38,000 --> 01:51:40,239
the firet truck and I thought it was a

2750
01:51:40,239 --> 01:51:42,080
pretty good one and uh but he's going to

2751
01:51:42,080 --> 01:51:44,080
ask another company that was interested.

2752
01:51:44,080 --> 01:51:46,480
>> They they they are declining to offer at

2753
01:51:46,480 --> 01:51:48,400
this point. So, we have the one standing

2754
01:51:48,400 --> 01:51:49,520
offer.

2755
01:51:49,520 --> 01:51:51,040
>> Okay. So, we do have an offer on the

2756
01:51:51,040 --> 01:51:53,199
fire truck. Uh so, we need to get

2757
01:51:53,199 --> 01:51:56,159
council approval to surplus that one.

2758
01:51:56,159 --> 01:51:56,719
The offer

2759
01:51:56,719 --> 01:51:58,560
>> we need to send that through the

2760
01:51:58,560 --> 01:52:00,800
auction. Brian,

2761
01:52:00,800 --> 01:52:03,119
>> no. We had stated that we were not going

2762
01:52:03,119 --> 01:52:04,719
to send it through the auction because

2763
01:52:04,719 --> 01:52:06,960
it is a specialized piece of equipment

2764
01:52:06,960 --> 01:52:09,280
and this allows us to get more money

2765
01:52:09,280 --> 01:52:12,000
from it. Um, this is actually a service

2766
01:52:12,000 --> 01:52:14,480
that buys engines and refurbishes them

2767
01:52:14,480 --> 01:52:21,280
and resells them um who has offered to purchase it. I got an estimate um

2768
01:52:21,280 --> 01:52:24,239
from one company and then they take a a

2769
01:52:24,239 --> 01:52:28,159
10% fee once it sells. Um, and this was

2770
01:52:28,159 --> 01:52:30,480
slightly less than that uh estimate

2771
01:52:30,480 --> 01:52:33,599
minus the 10% fee and and believe that

2772
01:52:33,599 --> 01:52:35,599
it's an incredibly good offer. Um, it

2773
01:52:35,599 --> 01:52:37,360
was more than than Ted and I were

2774
01:52:37,360 --> 01:52:42,639
actually uh anticipating to be honest.

2775
01:52:42,639 --> 01:52:44,239
>> This will more than cover the cost of a

2776
01:52:44,239 --> 01:52:46,480
new an ambulance, the approved budget

2777
01:52:46,480 --> 01:52:48,800
for an ambulance. So,

2778
01:52:48,800 --> 01:52:50,880
um I think if we have no other offers,

2779
01:52:50,880 --> 01:52:52,719
we might move forward with accepting

2780
01:52:52,719 --> 01:52:57,199
this offer. Um, our code does allow

2781
01:52:57,199 --> 01:52:59,199
multiple ways of surplusing the

2782
01:52:59,199 --> 01:53:00,560
equipment. It doesn't always have to go

2783
01:53:00,560 --> 01:53:03,360
to auction. So, um,

2784
01:53:03,360 --> 01:53:05,280
>> we'll probably

2785
01:53:05,280 --> 01:53:07,520
we'll send you want to send the offer

2786
01:53:07,520 --> 01:53:10,639
to, um, to the attorneys just to make

2787
01:53:10,639 --> 01:53:13,440
sure they review it

2788
01:53:13,440 --> 01:53:16,800
before we move forward.

2789
01:53:16,800 --> 01:53:19,280
>> Good idea. Okay.

2790
01:53:19,280 --> 01:53:21,360
>> Uh, so that's equipment piece number

2791
01:53:21,360 --> 01:53:25,360
one. So, that will likely be sold. Um,

2792
01:53:25,360 --> 01:53:28,239
and then second item is we've talked

2793
01:53:28,239 --> 01:53:30,719
about the mini excavator.

2794
01:53:30,719 --> 01:53:32,639
Um, I think it's about time we surplus

2795
01:53:32,639 --> 01:53:35,920
that as well. Um, it doesn't run real

2796
01:53:35,920 --> 01:53:38,080
well. One of the tracks are locked up.

2797
01:53:38,080 --> 01:53:39,520
It's going to cost a lot of money

2798
01:53:39,520 --> 01:53:41,440
probably to fix it and we don't really

2799
01:53:41,440 --> 01:53:44,320
use it that much. Uh, the occasional

2800
01:53:44,320 --> 01:53:46,400
need we have for an excavator can be

2801
01:53:46,400 --> 01:53:48,159
done by a contractor, which is what

2802
01:53:48,159 --> 01:53:50,000
we've been doing for, you know, not a

2803
01:53:50,000 --> 01:53:51,599
whole lot more. and we'll have to

2804
01:53:51,599 --> 01:53:52,880
maintain a piece of equipment. So, our

2805
01:53:52,880 --> 01:53:55,679
mini excavator, I think we'd like to put

2806
01:53:55,679 --> 01:53:57,440
that one up on the auction and surplus

2807
01:53:57,440 --> 01:53:58,159
that one.

2808
01:53:58,159 --> 01:53:59,360
>> About how much do you think you'll get

2809
01:53:59,360 --> 01:54:00,560
for that guy?

2810
01:54:00,560 --> 01:54:01,840
>> I don't know. It's going to be a whole

2811
01:54:01,840 --> 01:54:03,920
lot. It needs some work. I mean, it's

2812
01:54:03,920 --> 01:54:05,679
going to be we'll we'll put it up there.

2813
01:54:05,679 --> 01:54:07,920
It's going to be I know less than 10.

2814
01:54:07,920 --> 01:54:08,639
>> Okay.

2815
01:54:08,639 --> 01:54:11,679
>> Be my guess. But, um just because it's

2816
01:54:11,679 --> 01:54:14,000
going to need some work to get it going.

2817
01:54:14,000 --> 01:54:15,920
Um

2818
01:54:15,920 --> 01:54:17,760
>> yeah, I don't think what when was the

2819
01:54:17,760 --> 01:54:19,920
last time we the city used that? more

2820
01:54:19,920 --> 01:54:21,360
than three years ago.

2821
01:54:21,360 --> 01:54:22,800
>> Since I've been here, we haven't used

2822
01:54:22,800 --> 01:54:24,960
it. Diesel Brothers used it once when

2823
01:54:24,960 --> 01:54:26,400
they had to get that pole plane off the

2824
01:54:26,400 --> 01:54:29,119
hill to lift their bucket down. But, uh,

2825
01:54:29,119 --> 01:54:30,480
that's been the last time it was used. I

2826
01:54:30,480 --> 01:54:33,440
know they had a bugger using it. Um, I

2827
01:54:33,440 --> 01:54:35,599
talked to Craig Northrup who used to

2828
01:54:35,599 --> 01:54:39,119
maintain our equipment. Um, his

2829
01:54:39,119 --> 01:54:41,440
recommendation was get rid of it the

2830
01:54:41,440 --> 01:54:43,360
first chance you get because it needs a

2831
01:54:43,360 --> 01:54:47,119
lot of work. Uh, and it was a lot of

2832
01:54:47,119 --> 01:54:49,040
work to maintain. So, no reason to keep

2833
01:54:49,040 --> 01:54:52,080
it and just have to sit there and and

2834
01:54:52,080 --> 01:54:53,520
devalue itself when we can try and get

2835
01:54:53,520 --> 01:54:56,080
some money for it now.

2836
01:54:56,080 --> 01:54:59,840
Wonderful. Okay, then. Uh, thank you,

2837
01:54:59,840 --> 01:55:03,840
Ted. Any questions for Ted?

2838
01:55:03,840 --> 01:55:07,040
>> Okay, then I would entertain a motion to

2839
01:55:07,040 --> 01:55:10,480
proceed on those two items or if anybody

2840
01:55:10,480 --> 01:55:12,560
wants to, we can pull them out

2841
01:55:12,560 --> 01:55:14,800
separately.

2842
01:55:14,800 --> 01:55:17,599
I I move to uh put on for sale, approve

2843
01:55:17,599 --> 01:55:19,119
the sale of them

2844
01:55:19,119 --> 01:55:20,239
>> jointly. Right.

2845
01:55:20,239 --> 01:55:21,679
>> Yeah, jointly.

2846
01:55:21,679 --> 01:55:23,280
>> Okay. I have a motion from Council

2847
01:55:23,280 --> 01:55:25,119
Member John. Do I have a second?

2848
01:55:25,119 --> 01:55:26,159
>> I'll second it.

2849
01:55:26,159 --> 01:55:29,360
>> Council member Rhden. Uh Council Member

2850
01:55:29,360 --> 01:55:30,159
Lent.

2851
01:55:30,159 --> 01:55:30,960
>> Yes.

2852
01:55:30,960 --> 01:55:32,159
>> Council member Rhoden.

2853
01:55:32,159 --> 01:55:32,800
>> Yes.

2854
01:55:32,800 --> 01:55:34,239
>> Council member Hutchkins.

2855
01:55:34,239 --> 01:55:35,679
>> Yes.

2856
01:55:35,679 --> 01:55:37,520
>> Council member Johns.

2857
01:55:37,520 --> 01:55:40,239
>> Okay. That motion passes.

2858
01:55:40,239 --> 01:55:43,360
Wonderful. Okay. Um,

2859
01:55:43,360 --> 01:55:46,800
close session. Um, do we I don't believe

2860
01:55:46,800 --> 01:55:48,320
we have anything that really would

2861
01:55:48,320 --> 01:55:53,920
warrant an update of any sorts. Anybody?

2862
01:55:53,920 --> 01:55:56,800
>> No. Anybody here on the council?

2863
01:55:56,800 --> 01:55:57,840
>> No.

2864
01:55:57,840 --> 01:55:59,840
Okay.

2865
01:55:59,840 --> 01:56:03,599
Then I'll entertain a motion to adjourn.

2866
01:56:03,599 --> 01:56:06,080
>> It's too early, isn't it?

2867
01:56:06,080 --> 01:56:08,000
>> Hurry. It's 7:15. I I'll motion to

2868
01:56:08,000 --> 01:56:09,840
adjourn to see if we can get done by 8.

2869
01:56:09,840 --> 01:56:11,199
Motion to

2870
01:56:11,199 --> 01:56:12,560
>> second the motion.

2871
01:56:12,560 --> 01:56:14,080
>> We are adjourned.

2872
01:56:14,080 --> 01:56:16,080
>> Okay. Thank you everybody. It's

2873
01:56:16,080 --> 01:56:17,840
>> not even 8:00 yet.

2874
01:56:17,840 --> 01:56:21,679
>> It's still light. iPad to Reco get