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Okay. Um we'll go on the record now.

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This has been the time set for which

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notice has been given for the hearing um

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here in Woodland Hills. And the first

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item that we apparently are going to be

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discussing is the application filed by

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um Gayen Briggs regarding property at

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695 South on Mebo Circle in Woodland

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Hills. Um, for the record, the people

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that are present is my name is Judy

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Lever and I'll be acting as a hearing

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officer for the um for the city. So that

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you know, um I'm not I I'm hired as a

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hearing officer. I don't work for the

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city um and do an independent. My

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background is I am an attorney and have

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been for longer than I would like to

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admit. Um, and my first the about the

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first third of my practice I was

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involved as an assistant city attorney

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dealing with planning and zoning and

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building in Salt Lake City Corporation.

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Um, since that time other changes have

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been doing that and I'm not working in

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that area right now. Um, and have served

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on

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um, some boards that were

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environmentally

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involved. the state has the state fire

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land board in the oil and gas

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commission. So, um so that's kind of

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where my experience has brought me to in

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this. Um I've elected for the as a

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hearing officer for Woodland before and

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I've done it for solid for holiday and

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for I did one out in Bountiful, West

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Bountiful. So I have done that. Um the

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record should reflect the people that

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are here on behalf of the city and in

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this particular application. So that

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would include Will you please introduce

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yourself for the record?

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>> I'm Wayne Franson

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uh with planning and zoning for the city

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and uh also with ordinance enforcement.

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>> Okay.

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I'm Sher Briggs. I live at at the

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residence that we are talking about

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today.

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>> And Gayen Briggs, the applicant. Yeah,

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it was okay. And the record should

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reflect that it's being recorded by the

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recorder, Jody Stone, who is also

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present. And there is also um the

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applicant on the next matter that's here

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in the in the um room participating.

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Generally speaking, what we would like

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what I would plan to do is to go through

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and I would like Mr. France and on

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behalf of the city to just introduce the

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background of the process for the

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procedure of where we are in terms of

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from the city standpoint then you'll

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have the opportunity Mr. Briggs and Mrs.

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Briggs to present whatever evidence that

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you want. As I've already indicated to

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you before any exhibits or illustrations

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that you use will need to be marked so

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that they can be attached and become

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part of the record. Um, if you were

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using something that is already in the

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record and something that's already

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attached to the application,

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um, if I have a copy of that, then

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we'll put that as the application. If

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not, then we would have it marked. Okay.

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>> Okay. And so with that framework, Mr.

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Franson, would you please introduce us

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to where we are?

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Um some time ago, what is maybe a month,

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six weeks ago, um Mr. Briggs came to us

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uh with interest of building a detached

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garage off the uh corner of his um of

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his home. Uh he had spoken with a

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neighbor uh about it. the neighbor was

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uh was fine with what he was proposing

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to do. He had mentioned to us that when

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they were um contemplate purchasing the

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home, uh they were the first occupants

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of this home. It had been built as a a

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spec home and hadn't been lived in yet.

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would be be fine that they could they

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would allow a garage uh to be to be

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built there. Uh this garage was to house

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both a boat and a um and a trailer, a

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camp trailer.

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plans to show us and make sure that he

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was going down the right road with it

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all. And as we uh got into the detail

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and discussed it and looking at our

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ordinance

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um we all realized that it was it would be

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counter to our ordinance requirements.

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uh in that there was not sufficient room

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uh in the in the area that he wanted to

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build which he was rather it was

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confined to to his property and and yard

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in that area. Uh the main obstruction

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being a requirement that uh it be 20t

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away from his from the residence

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>> His residence. Correct.

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we our ordinances allow an accessory

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building including

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accessory garage that to have different

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setbacks than the main house structure

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does. So he would comply those would be

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complied with. Um

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>> what are those? And as an accessory what

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are the setbacks requirements?

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the property line and the rear setback

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is 10 ft away from the property line for

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an accessory building.

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however, there is a requirement that it

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be 20 ft away from the main residence

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and that therein creates an issue and

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problem as it there would not be

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sufficient room to be 20 ft away of the

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main residence and still comply with the

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other setbacks for the side or the rear

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setback for an accessory building.

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it's five on the side, 10 in the back

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for an accessory building, and 20 from

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the house. And it's the 20 from the

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house that they can't that they're in

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that they are short.

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>> What is that distance proposed?

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proposing to build, you mean?

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>> it's it's like 6 and 1/2 ft. So it would

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be from the very corner of the house

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which is where the corner of the garage

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would start and then it would go back.

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corners would be like 6 and 1/2 ft

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>> Is that is that roof corners or is that

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structural corners?

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>> That'd be structural corners.

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>> Is the roof does the roof

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>> Are you sure that does the roof overhang

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to shorten it?

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>> Yeah. how you say that. I'm not

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>> So, at that point, he realized that it

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>> And how big is the building that he's

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reducing that size, but then it would

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house the boat and the the trailer if it

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trailer, but just

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from the research that we've been able

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to do pertains to fire safety.

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but um Mr. Briggs indicated that he

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plans on building it the building the

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garage according to code. So it wouldn't

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be something that would be haphazardly

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done. It would be inspected as it is

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built and uh including uh sprinklers. He has sprinklers in his home and he

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would continue with that fire sprinklers

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in in the structure to lessen the any

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fire danger.

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>> Is the proposed fire sprinkler system

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would that be required in an accessory

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building or is that an addition?

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then sprinklers are required. Is this

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heated. It' just be an added precaution

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against fire. Uh not only to protect the

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building, but to protect his home should there be a fire started in the

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garage. There would be a sprinkler

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system there to to suppress it.

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>> Does a sprinkler system

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answer. I'm sorry. So, um,

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20 ft away, then it from the main

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there's less code requirements for it.

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>> what do you mean? has the least less

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danger.

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>> I know. But what kind of you say less

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code? Tell me what that means.

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insulation requirements.

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for it there.

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If it's if it's closer than 20 ft, then

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it does have fire sprinkler requirements

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even though there's no heat in it.

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>> So, sprinkling is required.

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>> If it's if it's closer than 20 ft.

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>> Um

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>> what would be required under the code

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for strict compliance?

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>> The setback is the issue

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» and

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>> he he wants to build it according to

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code so that make sure that it's

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>> I understand.

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>> What would the setback require?

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if it's closer than 20 ft.

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>> Okay.

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>> So, the house that it it wouldn't

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qualify any longer as an accessory

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building for setback purposes.

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Then it would and and given that then it

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has to follow the house setback

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requirements

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>> which would which you've already said

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were the five. That's the that's the

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>> And what would that change?

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>> That's what he would have. The the rear

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is 30 ft.

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The side is it 15?

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>> 20 I think. Is it

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>> 15 one side and 20 the other

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in that R119

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area. And the front is not an issue, but

284
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it's it's 30 ft

285
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over there for front set back.

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» So, let me make sure I'm understanding

287
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the the

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>> parameters here.

289
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>> Okay. Under strict code compliance, the

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structure because it's within 20 feet of

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the building

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still has to

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meet all of the required setbacks for

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the main home, which would mean the a

295
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rear yard, an extended rear yard, the

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sidey yard, and the front yard. Correct.

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>> And you're saying that that would

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increase those setbacks.

299
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Um, so it's considered part of the main

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house if I mean

301
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>> in essence

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>> envelope on the of the parameters of the

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outside I guess this is an exhibit but

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um preserving setbacks on the

305
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>> on the property lines correct the

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original house and be within that

307
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envelope or that working.

308
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>> Yes. Whereas you're saying an accessory

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building, if it's treated as an

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accessory building,

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then those limitation, those sideyards

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decrease because they're considered in

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the backyard or the rear yard. But at

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this point, there is not a separation

315
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that's adequate to make it an accessory

316
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building because it's too close to the

317
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main would be too close to the main

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building.

319
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>> Correct.

320
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What what code what requirements would

321
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happen if the building actually touched to the

322
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building would be can just considered

323
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under that same parameter as part of the

324
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original house?

325
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>> Yes.

326
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And is there a code requirement that

327
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requires in the case where there are two

328
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separate buildings where there has to be

329
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a minimum is it or is that the 20 ft?

330
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>> That's the 20 ft.

331
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>> Yes.

332
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>> And what are the purposes for that 20 ft

333
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be? You said one was

334
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for fire.

335
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>> Yes. And that's that's primarily what it is.

336
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>> But

337
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>> now we we've done tried to do some

338
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research. It's been long explained and

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carried forward for many years in our

340
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city.

341
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Most of our city is encumbered by uh a

342
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WOOI. It's called a WOOI fire ordinance.

343
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This was wildland

344
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urban

345
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>> interface.

346
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Yes. Yes, that was promoted

347
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by the um state fire land. I think

348
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>> it has been and uh we've tried to do

349
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some research on this 20 foot distance

350
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and we can't find anything in our WOOI

351
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co in the WOOI code that requires that

352
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20 foot distance.

353
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We've we've always had it and that's

354
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what we've gone by and we've different

355
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fire chiefs have just something's been

356
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carried on but we've researched it and

357
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we can't find where that is addressed

358
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that way.

359
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>> Has the fire chief made a recommendation

360
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in this particular matter?

361
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>> No.

362
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Um

363
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>> he's he's been he's been part of the

364
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discussion

365
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but he hasn't made a recommendation

366
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other than

367
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it's in our code

368
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» which from a legislative part is all

369
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that he has to say but

370
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>> yes.

371
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>> Okay.

372
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Um,

373
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>> and we we we will probably do some more

374
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research on that to make sure that

375
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if it's not part of that, we we don't

376
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want to have it. If it is, then fine,

377
00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:17,760
it's it would be part of our code, but

378
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it it it still be something that

379
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potentially subject to variance. But if

380
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we don't need it, I mean, if it's not

381
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required in our code, we don't want to

382
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give impression that it that it is

383
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required.

384
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>> Now, that doesn't mean the city can't

385
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say we still want a 20 foot distance.

386
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>> No, you can. And

387
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>> for own purposes. So, that's something

388
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that's down the down the line that we

389
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would have to further explore. Um,

390
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and I, and if I didn't disclose it

391
00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:54,240
before on the record, let me do it. Is I

392
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did take the opportunity to drive by the

393
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properties that were subject to this

394
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today because it's I felt like I needed

395
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to understand the slage and what was

396
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going on.

397
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Uh in and my question is in this house

398
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is that if a variance were allowed,

399
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there would not be a way to get a

400
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vehicle going at great because the house

401
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sits

402
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I guess on the directions on the north

403
00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:30,080
side of the lot and it slopes off to the

404
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north after that and it slopes off to

405
00:18:33,039 --> 00:18:35,679
the west.

406
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that if you were bringing in and you're

407
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at the top of the hill and if you're

408
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bringing in or had to bring in

409
00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:46,559
um emergency material, I mean

410
00:18:46,559 --> 00:18:49,360
firefighting equipment, there would not

411
00:18:49,360 --> 00:18:52,400
be a way to get to your backyard.

412
00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:53,840
>> No, there would be on the other side of

413
00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:54,799
the house.

414
00:18:54,799 --> 00:19:01,120
>> Well, but it's down on the slope. But we don't we don't take engines onto the

415
00:19:01,120 --> 00:19:04,559
property unless the property is

416
00:19:04,559 --> 00:19:05,760
>> on fire. I mean

417
00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:09,840
>> well distant distant we fight the engine

418
00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:12,400
would stay on the street and it would

419
00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:15,520
hook up to hydrants on the street and

420
00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:21,039
hoses would be run. That's that's our

421
00:19:21,039 --> 00:19:24,080
that's the way we do it here. We don't

422
00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:26,320
put engines on prop on the property

423
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themselves. It just it it exposes them

424
00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:33,919
to fire danger too much and we rely upon

425
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the pumping action of the engines with

426
00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:40,000
the hoses for fire suppression. So

427
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you're, if I'm understanding it, then

428
00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:44,480
you're saying that in firefighting

429
00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:47,760
things, you would not generally take a

430
00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:49,280
vehicle

431
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back off of the street anyway because

432
00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:54,480
you would have the street hooked up to

433
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hooked on up to the street.

434
00:19:56,640 --> 00:20:00,080
>> Correct. That's right.

435
00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:01,600
>> Okay.

436
00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:04,240
>> But Judy, just so you know, so when we

437
00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:05,679
do the construction of the garage, we're

438
00:20:05,679 --> 00:20:06,960
going to use the other side of the house

439
00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:09,280
and come up come up that way. So there

440
00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:12,960
is access in the backyard if if if you

441
00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:13,679
needed it. But

442
00:20:13,679 --> 00:20:15,919
>> there's an easement in there that they

443
00:20:15,919 --> 00:20:18,000
aren't using and we were told just to

444
00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:19,520
divide it with the neighbor and do what

445
00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:20,799
you know we wanted. So we wouldn't do

446
00:20:20,799 --> 00:20:22,480
anything structurally but there is

447
00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:25,520
access into the back if we had to.

448
00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:26,960
>> Yeah. But that's how we're going to

449
00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:29,840
bring equipment in to try to because the

450
00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:31,280
concrete that we have in there is all

451
00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:32,880
got radiant heating in. I don't want to

452
00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:34,080
bring heavy stuff in there and crack

453
00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:35,440
that. So we're going to actually bring

454
00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:36,960
the construction around the other side.

455
00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:40,000
Maybe what we ought to do are we are you

456
00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:42,960
have you presented the things that you

457
00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:44,240
need to wait

458
00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:47,510
>> um

459
00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:49,200
» I'll ask you for your recommendation

460
00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:50,080
after they

461
00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:53,360
>> okay the

462
00:20:53,360 --> 00:20:55,360
just I guess the last thing I would say

463
00:20:55,360 --> 00:20:58,000
is they're they're going to be building

464
00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:00,000
this garage as though it were part of

465
00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:03,840
the house with code standards and

466
00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:05,760
requirements.

467
00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:08,960
Everything will be code compliant as if

468
00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:16,149
it were an actual part of the house.

469
00:21:16,159 --> 00:21:18,559
» But do I take it that that extends to

470
00:21:18,559 --> 00:21:21,200
protecting the structure but would not

471
00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:25,440
extend to suppressing fire in the area?

472
00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:27,679
I mean, it would just be

473
00:21:27,679 --> 00:21:30,720
for within the structure.

474
00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:34,960
both. It would be it would just be like

475
00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:37,520
part of the house going going out the

476
00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:40,080
back there and so it would be it would

477
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be protected the same way as the house

478
00:21:41,919 --> 00:21:44,080
would.

479
00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:46,320
>> Well,

480
00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:46,799
>> but

481
00:21:46,799 --> 00:21:48,799
>> technically it doesn't have setbacks. It

482
00:21:48,799 --> 00:21:52,480
wouldn't have the setbacks that just

483
00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:54,480
>> correct. It wouldn't have house

484
00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:56,000
setbacks.

485
00:21:56,000 --> 00:22:00,789
>> So you it's closer

486
00:22:00,799 --> 00:22:05,430
Do we um

487
00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:09,590
have

488
00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:12,000
excuse me seems to me that in the

489
00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:15,919
application that I'm looking at

490
00:22:15,919 --> 00:22:19,039
is there a

491
00:22:19,039 --> 00:22:22,159
um response

492
00:22:22,159 --> 00:22:26,400
from this the gay is it gays? So there's

493
00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:27,520
two gay

494
00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:28,960
>> name was gay gay

495
00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:31,039
>> the the gays

496
00:22:31,039 --> 00:22:34,080
the gay uh that is the president of the

497
00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:35,679
homeowners association that developed

498
00:22:35,679 --> 00:22:36,960
summer creek

499
00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:39,520
>> we have so we went through them in the

500
00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:41,039
process they've approved that

501
00:22:41,039 --> 00:22:42,799
>> I'm talking about the prop the owner

502
00:22:42,799 --> 00:22:44,880
that would be to your

503
00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:46,400
>> what east

504
00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:47,760
>> to the yeah to the east

505
00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:50,720
>> his mother who lives on this house

506
00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:52,240
adjacent to where

507
00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:52,640
>> okay

508
00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:53,440
>> their property is

509
00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:55,840
>> is she gay gay Yes. Yeah.

510
00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:56,799
>> Yeah. Well,

511
00:22:56,799 --> 00:22:58,000
>> well, now she's gay.

512
00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:01,360
>> Gay Matson. Now she's got remarried.

513
00:23:01,360 --> 00:23:03,360
But yes, and she's the one that wrote

514
00:23:03,360 --> 00:23:08,799
the letter that signed the letter that went over talked to her. She was in

515
00:23:08,799 --> 00:23:09,200
full.

516
00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:10,559
>> She was actually glad. She says she

517
00:23:10,559 --> 00:23:12,400
wanted more privacy anyway and she was

518
00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:13,600
going to plant a bunch of trees in

519
00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:14,240
there.

520
00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:16,559
>> Yeah.

521
00:23:16,559 --> 00:23:16,720
But

522
00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:18,240
>> that's all the comments that I would

523
00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:18,640
have.

524
00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:21,120
>> We don't do we have anything from the

525
00:23:21,120 --> 00:23:26,710
property owner to the north?

526
00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:27,440
against

527
00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:28,960
>> the Is that the empty

528
00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:31,039
>> the Johnson's you mean to the Oh, to the

529
00:23:31,039 --> 00:23:33,760
>> to the north downhill and to the north.

530
00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:35,280
I mean, it looks like a property line

531
00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:36,159
comes up there.

532
00:23:36,159 --> 00:23:39,360
>> It is. It's It's a agriculture

533
00:23:39,360 --> 00:23:42,159
land now. And

534
00:23:42,159 --> 00:23:46,320
I don't think we they got a a letter

535
00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:47,520
from him.

536
00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:49,919
>> Yeah, I did I didn't I actually didn't

537
00:23:49,919 --> 00:23:51,360
think about asking to be honest with

538
00:23:51,360 --> 00:23:51,760
you. So

539
00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:54,559
>> because the property will be

540
00:23:54,559 --> 00:23:58,320
I mean if he were

541
00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:01,360
he would if the regular ordinance would

542
00:24:01,360 --> 00:24:03,039
be applied he would have a 30ft

543
00:24:03,039 --> 00:24:06,080
separation before having a building and

544
00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:08,480
now he would and under this one that

545
00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:11,120
would be reduced to 10 ft. Is that

546
00:24:11,120 --> 00:24:11,760
right?

547
00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:14,720
>> Well and it is the behind our our our

548
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:17,200
lot. So they wouldn't be building

549
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,919
directly in directly in back cuz it

550
00:24:19,919 --> 00:24:21,919
drops off back of our house.

551
00:24:21,919 --> 00:24:25,600
>> I understand. I just was wondering if we don't have anything

552
00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:26,240
>> I don't

553
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:30,789
>> from from him. Okay.

554
00:24:30,799 --> 00:24:32,480
» Okay.

555
00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:35,360
Mr. Briggs, would you Mr. Mrs. Briggs

556
00:24:35,360 --> 00:24:38,000
whoever?

557
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:41,760
>> Um I'm trying to I think that was really

558
00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:45,279
thorough what Wayne said. So, I think

559
00:24:45,279 --> 00:24:48,000
the the concerns that I wanted to make

560
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:51,039
sure we addressed was um was with the

561
00:24:51,039 --> 00:24:53,440
neighbor to the east to make sure that

562
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:56,320
she know because she would be the one

563
00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:59,760
that would actually see it. But the

564
00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:02,799
house the structure would be 50 ft from

565
00:25:02,799 --> 00:25:05,919
her home even though. So it it's the

566
00:25:05,919 --> 00:25:08,000
prop when you when you saw our property

567
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:11,360
if you saw the rock wall there

568
00:25:11,360 --> 00:25:12,240
>> containing wall.

569
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:15,279
>> There's a containing wall. There's actually two of them.

570
00:25:15,279 --> 00:25:17,840
>> The lowest one.

571
00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:20,080
>> Her property her property comes 10 ft

572
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:21,600
and it it almost looks like it's our

573
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:23,840
property but it's not. It's hers. It

574
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:24,400
comes.

575
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:27,600
>> So where that lower rock wall that is

576
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:31,600
abuts to your cement, you're saying

577
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:33,600
that's her line or 10 ft?

578
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:35,279
>> No, the one up above that.

579
00:25:35,279 --> 00:25:36,880
>> Okay. So the second layer,

580
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:39,039
>> yeah, the second sorry, the second one

581
00:25:39,039 --> 00:25:43,200
is is actually another 10 ft into uh it

582
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:44,559
would be you would have to come another

583
00:25:44,559 --> 00:25:47,039
10 ft to be into our property line. So

584
00:25:47,039 --> 00:25:48,480
it's it's kind of weird how they did it.

585
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:50,240
looks it looks like our property, but

586
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:51,760
it's actually hers.

587
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:53,919
>> We take care of it cuz Second one is

588
00:25:53,919 --> 00:25:55,200
actually on her property and the

589
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:57,039
property line is between the two. Yeah,

590
00:25:57,039 --> 00:25:58,000
lower.

591
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:01,360
>> That's ex Yeah, pretty much right there.

592
00:26:01,360 --> 00:26:05,840
>> So, she's actually visually

593
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:09,760
a little closer than you would expect

594
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:11,760
if you thought both of the rock walls

595
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:14,559
were your property. Her property kind of

596
00:26:14,559 --> 00:26:16,080
is in between those two.

597
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:17,679
>> Yeah. Yeah.

598
00:26:17,679 --> 00:26:20,320
>> But that 50 ft is from that property

599
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:21,039
line

600
00:26:21,039 --> 00:26:22,320
>> to her home.

601
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:24,400
>> Yeah. and we're down from her house. So,

602
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:26,000
>> yeah. Great.

603
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:29,440
>> And and the way it's going to set is is

604
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:31,279
cuz I went over I took the plans over

605
00:26:31,279 --> 00:26:34,000
and showed her and her husband and it's

606
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,159
actually going to set almost behind her

607
00:26:36,159 --> 00:26:37,520
house. So,

608
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:39,440
>> it's really not going to and and it's

609
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:41,919
going to be cut into the into the, you

610
00:26:41,919 --> 00:26:45,200
know, the elevation down

611
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,679
>> and so maybe she would see maybe 8 to

612
00:26:47,679 --> 00:26:49,520
nine feet of that of that building and

613
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:51,039
that's it.

614
00:26:51,039 --> 00:26:52,880
Um, how

615
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:56,400
>> how um what is the size of the building

616
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:57,840
that you're proposing?

617
00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:02,080
>> It's it's 35 by 35.

618
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,640
>> Now, it's not a small

619
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:06,159
>> place. You already have a threec car

620
00:27:06,159 --> 00:27:09,279
garage as it looked like from building

621
00:27:09,279 --> 00:27:09,919
your home.

622
00:27:09,919 --> 00:27:12,720
>> Yes. Yeah. This is a third world

623
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:15,840
problem. Okay. No kidding. Well, also we

624
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:18,400
were doing it because the home does not

625
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:20,640
have a storage room or anything

626
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:21,520
>> on the inside.

627
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:24,400
>> Part of the basement is crawl space

628
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:26,880
because of the because of the elevation

629
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:28,240
change.

630
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:30,640
>> So, we don't have that storage room. So,

631
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:32,000
that's Yeah, I think that's why the

632
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:33,360
house sat on the market. A lot of people

633
00:27:33,360 --> 00:27:34,960
liked it, but everybody's like, "Well,

634
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:36,880
can I build a garage?" And I think they

635
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:39,120
were all told that they could. And then

636
00:27:39,120 --> 00:27:40,240
we thought, "Well, if we can build a

637
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,559
garage, we can make it work." You just

638
00:27:42,559 --> 00:27:45,200
asked the wrong person.

639
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:46,720
>> Ask the city, not the builder.

640
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:47,520
>> Was that

641
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:49,360
>> Ask the city, not the builder.

642
00:27:49,360 --> 00:27:52,559
>> Well, yeah. Well,

643
00:27:52,559 --> 00:27:55,360
>> hindsight's always 20, but uh

644
00:27:55,360 --> 00:27:58,480
>> um so I think the concern was was was

645
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:01,120
there any concerns from her and because

646
00:28:01,120 --> 00:28:02,399
we're going to make the the finish of

647
00:28:02,399 --> 00:28:04,880
the house is going to look um it won't

648
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:07,520
have as much wood on three sides.

649
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:08,720
>> Finish of the garage.

650
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:09,760
>> Yeah, the garage.

651
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:10,960
>> House. But we're going to try to Yeah,

652
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:12,640
we're gonna Sorry. We're gonna try to

653
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:13,360
match,

654
00:28:13,360 --> 00:28:16,080
>> you know, we want to take, you know, we

655
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:18,399
want to make sure that that what we do

656
00:28:18,399 --> 00:28:20,720
enhances our home and not that, you

657
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:22,159
know, do something different. But

658
00:28:22,159 --> 00:28:24,399
>> so you're okay. So what you're saying is

659
00:28:24,399 --> 00:28:26,960
your the exterior materials that you

660
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:30,000
plan on using on the accessory building

661
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:31,840
will match your main structure

662
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:33,919
>> part part of it. So the front part of it

663
00:28:33,919 --> 00:28:36,320
is going to be Hardy board. currently is

664
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:38,799
actually cedar, but we're going to try

665
00:28:38,799 --> 00:28:40,159
to we're going to use hardy board

666
00:28:40,159 --> 00:28:42,399
because it takes less maintenance. Make

667
00:28:42,399 --> 00:28:44,159
sure it's stained the same color as the

668
00:28:44,159 --> 00:28:46,320
house. And then three sides of it we're

669
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:49,039
going to be um

670
00:28:49,039 --> 00:28:51,679
we're we want to do stucco because it's

671
00:28:51,679 --> 00:28:55,760
a little less expensive, but we might

672
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:57,840
that that part's still in flux a little

673
00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:00,240
bit. The but currently it's planned for

674
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:02,159
stucco on three sides and and wood on

675
00:29:02,159 --> 00:29:04,240
the front that you would see. And I

676
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:07,279
explain that to to the homeowner next to

677
00:29:07,279 --> 00:29:08,080
us.

678
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:09,760
>> So you won't be seeing a stucco

679
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:12,000
structure like something that is down

680
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,480
the bottom of your lot. I'm assuming

681
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:16,960
it's on the other property.

682
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:18,000
>> Oh, say that again.

683
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:21,600
>> Going looking from your home looking

684
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:24,720
west down the hill. There was something

685
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:26,960
that was stuck. I don't presume that it

686
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:28,399
was on your property. It looked like it

687
00:29:28,399 --> 00:29:30,080
was associated with the other property.

688
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:32,559
>> Yeah, it's it's the people next door.

689
00:29:32,559 --> 00:29:33,919
Johnson's next door to us.

690
00:29:33,919 --> 00:29:35,679
>> Is that an accessory building as well?

691
00:29:35,679 --> 00:29:37,200
>> It is. Yeah.

692
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:40,080
>> And does it maintain the

693
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:42,080
>> setbacks? Does it maintain the setbacks?

694
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,080
It's obviously smaller.

695
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:46,480
>> Yes. It's away from the main structure

696
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:48,960
quite a distance. So, it it's

697
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:50,960
>> it has accessory building setbacks

698
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:53,120
>> and it does have the accessory setbacks

699
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:53,440
there.

700
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:55,919
>> Again, that's only 5T and 10 feet, 10

701
00:29:55,919 --> 00:29:57,279
feet and 5t. But

702
00:29:57,279 --> 00:29:59,200
>> I understand that they're different.

703
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:02,480
>> Yeah. Okay. Um

704
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:04,960
>> um I'm I'm just trying to think. So I

705
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:07,279
think that was

706
00:30:07,279 --> 00:30:08,960
one of the concerns we had was make sure

707
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:10,399
that there wasn't any issue with the

708
00:30:10,399 --> 00:30:13,200
neighbor. Um and she was she was fine

709
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:15,039
with it. I wanted to make sure that the

710
00:30:15,039 --> 00:30:17,440
HOA knew what we were planning on doing.

711
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:19,600
They were fine with it. He signed off on

712
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:23,919
it. Bucky did. Um, and

713
00:30:23,919 --> 00:30:28,960
so I think for us it it just again I

714
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:30,480
know this sound like this this is not a

715
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:31,919
third world problem that we're dealing

716
00:30:31,919 --> 00:30:35,760
with here. Um but um

717
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:37,840
it would it would be helpful for us

718
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:39,919
because we have in our garage we have

719
00:30:39,919 --> 00:30:43,120
stuff stacked to the the even though

720
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:45,279
it's a threec car garage it's a fairly

721
00:30:45,279 --> 00:30:47,919
that's I would I wouldn't call it a a

722
00:30:47,919 --> 00:30:52,159
huge garage but um but we would like to

723
00:30:52,159 --> 00:30:54,559
try to make you know get some of that

724
00:30:54,559 --> 00:30:56,799
stuff out. The other thing is I'm hoping

725
00:30:56,799 --> 00:30:58,399
to do a little bit of woodwork and I'd

726
00:30:58,399 --> 00:31:01,279
like to have a shop to be able to um

727
00:31:01,279 --> 00:31:04,320
just have a few like saws and a router

728
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:06,880
and just a few things that I can maybe

729
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:08,720
do a hobby that I like to do, but I

730
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:10,080
right now I I can't.

731
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:12,640
>> Did you um

732
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:15,360
have you determined what

733
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:20,080
Well, I mean 35 ft is pretty deep for

734
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:21,840
garage. Aren't garages traditional at

735
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:25,520
least 20 to 20 25? Just so you know, my

736
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:27,279
the boat that we have, we we we have an

737
00:31:27,279 --> 00:31:28,159
old boat,

738
00:31:28,159 --> 00:31:30,720
>> but it has by the time this tongue

739
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:34,080
sticks out, it's it's 29 ft almost 30

740
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:36,799
ft. Most trailers that you would put in

741
00:31:36,799 --> 00:31:40,080
there will be you'll need 30 ft of

742
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:41,840
clearance.

743
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:43,919
>> Do you only have 30 ft of clearance in

744
00:31:43,919 --> 00:31:45,200
your existing structure?

745
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:46,320
>> No.

746
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:47,840
>> How deep are those? cuz it looked like

747
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:50,880
it was three cars and that's usually 8

748
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:53,120
to 10 ft of width for each.

749
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:55,600
>> I I can't angle there's no way we could

750
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:56,240
do that.

751
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:57,840
>> Well, I can't I can't put my boat in

752
00:31:57,840 --> 00:31:58,320
there

753
00:31:58,320 --> 00:31:59,120
>> because

754
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:02,799
>> so the way that the garage So it's it's

755
00:32:02,799 --> 00:32:03,919
it it's uh

756
00:32:03,919 --> 00:32:07,519
>> it's access. Well, first of all, it's

757
00:32:07,519 --> 00:32:09,360
access, but the second of all, the way

758
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:13,760
the garage is built, so you have the the

759
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:15,360
uh

760
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:17,840
um all the heating and air conditioning

761
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:21,440
and stuff. So, it it's here, it pops

762
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:23,840
back out, goes in, pops back out, goes

763
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:26,240
in. You can't actually I can't actually

764
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:28,320
put my boat in there and get the garage

765
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:30,399
door closed

766
00:32:30,399 --> 00:32:32,159
>> because it's too long

767
00:32:32,159 --> 00:32:36,559
>> cuz the boat's longer than the garage is.

768
00:32:36,559 --> 00:32:40,159
>> The Cuz it it looked like the garage was

769
00:32:40,159 --> 00:32:42,320
about 35 ft in length.

770
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:44,000
>> No,

771
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,320
>> I don't think it I I'll have to go

772
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:47,360
measure it. But

773
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:48,480
>> yeah, the boat we have is not a big

774
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:50,159
boat. Maybe it's probably I mean we have

775
00:32:50,159 --> 00:32:52,240
a freezer there and so I can't that

776
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,399
takes up a couple feet, you know, maybe

777
00:32:54,399 --> 00:32:59,519
three feet, but I I actually I I physically measured

778
00:32:59,519 --> 00:33:01,200
it trying to get figure see if I can get

779
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:02,720
my boat in there and I can't. So I have

780
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:04,399
our boat stored at our daughter's house

781
00:33:04,399 --> 00:33:06,240
and I have our trailer stored at our

782
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:07,279
son's house right now.

783
00:33:07,279 --> 00:33:09,039
>> Yeah. In Saratoga Springs.

784
00:33:09,039 --> 00:33:11,840
>> Saratoga Springs, which Yeah.

785
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:13,200
Um I

786
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,279
>> think probably part of what you you you

787
00:33:15,279 --> 00:33:18,240
don't see is the house comes into the

788
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:20,960
garage on the on that west side.

789
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:21,919
>> West side. Yes.

790
00:33:21,919 --> 00:33:23,760
>> Yeah. So you uh

791
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:25,360
>> I just was the only thing I was looking

792
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:28,960
from was the um attached to the

793
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:33,120
application. Wasn't there there was a

794
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:34,399
site plan?

795
00:33:34,399 --> 00:33:40,320
>> Yes. that showed um it been there in and

796
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:43,120
it that's why it was questioned because

797
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:46,399
it it obviously has the three parking

798
00:33:46,399 --> 00:33:48,320
lots and looks like I mean parking

799
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:50,159
spaces and looked like there was

800
00:33:50,159 --> 00:33:52,000
additional space. I didn't try to

801
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,640
measure it out in ter and it was pretty

802
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:56,080
small to see the directions and that's

803
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:59,679
why I'm saying was asking how deep those

804
00:33:59,679 --> 00:34:01,279
are

805
00:34:01,279 --> 00:34:03,760
because as I understand it if you were

806
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:05,919
talking about strict compliance to get

807
00:34:05,919 --> 00:34:10,720
the 20 ft if you moved the south or the

808
00:34:10,720 --> 00:34:13,760
entry of the proposed garage if you move

809
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:18,639
that back to get the the 20 ft you'd be

810
00:34:18,639 --> 00:34:21,119
um and it

811
00:34:21,119 --> 00:34:23,040
And I couldn't tell exactly from the

812
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:26,159
site plan how much whether the room

813
00:34:26,159 --> 00:34:27,919
whether the separation was coming off of

814
00:34:27,919 --> 00:34:30,159
which line it was coming off of. That's

815
00:34:30,159 --> 00:34:32,879
why I asked about the separation.

816
00:34:32,879 --> 00:34:36,790
Um

817
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:40,000
because as I understand it whether that

818
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,079
the the proposed structure that's back

819
00:34:42,079 --> 00:34:44,960
in the corner now and I'm looking at the

820
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:50,149
it's called um

821
00:34:50,159 --> 00:34:53,040
it isn't called anything. Um

822
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:57,359
well it's the drawing has a number A1.

823
00:34:57,359 --> 00:34:58,240
>> Yeah.

824
00:34:58,240 --> 00:34:59,359
>> That's that's a

825
00:34:59,359 --> 00:35:00,480
>> one of the

826
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:03,599
>> cycl. Yeah. that has the site plan on

827
00:35:03,599 --> 00:35:03,839
it.

828
00:35:03,839 --> 00:35:04,400
>> Yeah,

829
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:06,560
>> this is

830
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:07,280
provided that

831
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:08,880
>> is this you provided that?

832
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:09,680
>> Yes.

833
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:12,000
>> Okay. In looking at it and that's why

834
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:13,520
I'm referring is we won't mark it

835
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:16,240
because it's attached to the application

836
00:35:16,240 --> 00:35:19,520
>> but it has the marking on it of A1-1 in

837
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:23,280
the right hand lower quarter of the site

838
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:25,200
plan of the proposed site plan as I

839
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:25,839
understand it.

840
00:35:25,839 --> 00:35:29,599
>> Yeah. that there is a jutting back as

841
00:35:29,599 --> 00:35:31,520
you are you do you have a copy of it

842
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:33,040
where you can look at it and maybe you

843
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:33,760
can explain.

844
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:35,520
>> Yeah. Would you mind I can come over and

845
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:36,720
look at yours if you like.

846
00:35:36,720 --> 00:35:43,109
>> You can one you gave me Gen has got

847
00:35:43,119 --> 00:35:45,359
» detail maybe in a little larger scale on

848
00:35:45,359 --> 00:35:49,910
it.

849
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:51,839
» So we're looking at the same Yeah.

850
00:35:51,839 --> 00:35:54,480
Remember the same map it's the A1.1 so

851
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:58,960
that everyone has it doing is

852
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:01,680
the question is is this where the

853
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:03,920
structure is so that the 6 ft we're

854
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:06,160
talking about is just right there or is

855
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:10,400
it back here that's

856
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:12,560
maybe when we we need

857
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:14,079
>> so so

858
00:36:14,079 --> 00:36:16,000
>> I mean I could see this side of your

859
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,079
garage coming back in but what I can't

860
00:36:18,079 --> 00:36:19,920
see is this part right here.

861
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:21,839
>> Yeah. So, um,

862
00:36:21,839 --> 00:36:23,440
>> cuz that looks like it's only two or

863
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:25,119
three feet.

864
00:36:25,119 --> 00:36:27,839
>> Yeah, it's going to be So, where is

865
00:36:27,839 --> 00:36:29,520
this? The very corner of the house right

866
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:29,760
here.

867
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:31,440
>> Uh, that's what I'm asking.

868
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:34,000
>> Is that where your air conditioner?

869
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:35,520
>> Yeah, the air conditioner would be back

870
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:36,960
here. So, it's probably it's going to be

871
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:40,079
more like right like maybe right there.

872
00:36:40,079 --> 00:36:41,119
It's right.

873
00:36:41,119 --> 00:36:42,560
>> Okay. That's when you can't say there.

874
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:44,400
So, you're saying in the extension of

875
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:47,200
the line it is just under this elevation

876
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:50,480
of there. So the house separation from a

877
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:54,320
detached garage to the next structure is

878
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:57,599
that this location of six or is that

879
00:36:57,599 --> 00:36:59,839
this location or what you

880
00:36:59,839 --> 00:37:01,680
>> No, it would be off the corner off the

881
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:02,880
corner of that location

882
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:05,280
>> of this garage to where

883
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:13,920
>> this garage is actually going. So if this was really drawn right?

884
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:16,880
>> Yeah, it is. But all the the builder did

885
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:18,320
it for me.

886
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:22,079
Um, yeah. It's

887
00:37:22,079 --> 00:37:26,640
>> Is it Is this part right here?

888
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:29,200
>> Is that external to the house? Is that

889
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:30,800
where your air conditioner unit is

890
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,440
sitting on that on a pad there or is

891
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:35,440
that part of your garage?

892
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:37,119
>> I'm just looking. Let me see. Is this

893
00:37:37,119 --> 00:37:38,480
the door? These are the doors, right?

894
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:39,599
>> No, I think

895
00:37:39,599 --> 00:37:42,160
>> those are the three

896
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:44,640
>> three slots. I would have assumed that

897
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:47,280
this was the the entryway, but that may

898
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:48,560
not be right. I don't know what this

899
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:50,800
line is. That's a where the structure

900
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:53,200
end. Whether the structure ends here or

901
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:55,440
whether the structure ends I'm assuming

902
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:56,960
that the structure ends here.

903
00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:59,839
>> I think it does.

904
00:37:59,839 --> 00:38:02,400
I think I think it does. And then this

905
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:04,960
is kind of the air conditioning right

906
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,200
here.

907
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:09,839
Because that looks like like a foot or I

908
00:38:09,839 --> 00:38:12,320
mean it looks like a very

909
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:14,480
>> well it's not a great distance. I

910
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:15,839
>> mean because if we're talking about that

911
00:38:15,839 --> 00:38:18,560
it has to maintain a 6ft difference.

912
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:20,079
Where are we talking from? Dwayne

913
00:38:20,079 --> 00:38:29,589
>> I'm talking about um I think it might um

914
00:38:29,599 --> 00:38:32,240
» why not attach it? What would happen if

915
00:38:32,240 --> 00:38:36,240
you attached it? But I could, but I mean

916
00:38:36,240 --> 00:38:41,510
then it's the housing setbacks.

917
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:42,880
» Well, that's what you're

918
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:45,680
>> the accessory building setbacks,

919
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:49,200
>> not the that's these are the accessory

920
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:51,520
building setbacks here. And that's what

921
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:52,720
he wants to

922
00:38:52,720 --> 00:38:56,000
>> so what he is is he wants to have the

923
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,640
building the garage considered a

924
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:01,839
>> an attached accessory building as

925
00:39:01,839 --> 00:39:03,040
opposed to

926
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:05,200
>> part of the of the residential

927
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:06,000
>> correct

928
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:07,280
>> envelope

929
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:10,160
>> correct

930
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:12,960
>> but I still have we're doing that we

931
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:14,880
need to have a fixed line of talking

932
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:17,040
about where the separation is coming

933
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:18,880
from. I I I actually think the

934
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:20,800
separation is right. I think it's

935
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:23,280
actually probably come down to here. I

936
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:25,599
mean, you know,

937
00:39:25,599 --> 00:39:27,520
as far as scale in here, I mean, this is

938
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:30,160
what we we drew how this one would would

939
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:31,599
look, but I think it's going to be right

940
00:39:31,599 --> 00:39:32,400
here.

941
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:34,240
>> So, what I'm saying, Mr. Brooks, is that

942
00:39:34,240 --> 00:39:37,680
if if a variance were to be granted and

943
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:40,720
allowed that, it's still allowing a

944
00:39:40,720 --> 00:39:43,119
variance from here from 20 to something,

945
00:39:43,119 --> 00:39:43,599
>> right?

946
00:39:43,599 --> 00:39:45,599
>> And it will have to be measured. Wayne's

947
00:39:45,599 --> 00:39:48,240
going to have to be out there. to say,

948
00:39:48,240 --> 00:39:51,040
"Oh, here it

949
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:54,880
is. We need to have a fixed place

950
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:59,349
from where that would be calcul

951
00:39:59,359 --> 00:40:00,320
» and so

952
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:01,680
>> structure."

953
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:04,079
>> If that's this, frankly, that doesn't

954
00:40:04,079 --> 00:40:05,280
look like 6 feet to me.

955
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:06,720
>> I I measured it this morning when I came

956
00:40:06,720 --> 00:40:11,040
out. 6 and 1/2 ft from where the where this is going to come down and

957
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:15,040
meet my so it's my garage driveway comes

958
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:17,280
down and we're going to it'll extend

959
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:19,920
from the garage driveway out. So the way

960
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:23,520
we came up I mean we we came 10 ft down

961
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:27,510
and said okay

962
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:30,000
I mean I I I don't know that I

963
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:34,960
>> what she's asking is the distance from here to your house structure. Yeah.

964
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:37,440
>> Is it from here to here? Is it from here

965
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:39,040
to here? No,

966
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:40,320
>> it's what?

967
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:42,160
>> I measured from the corner.

968
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:44,079
>> I measured the corner of my house to

969
00:40:44,079 --> 00:40:48,320
where this corner is going to where the structure is going to start

970
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:49,119
with the driveway.

971
00:40:49,119 --> 00:40:51,040
>> Okay. So, this so this is part of your

972
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:53,599
house structure. This little this area

973
00:40:53,599 --> 00:40:54,640
right there.

974
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:56,480
>> Yeah. I think this kind of jets in is

975
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:57,440
what I think this

976
00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:59,599
>> Oh, where the air conditioner is?

977
00:40:59,599 --> 00:41:02,319
>> Um, no. So, it what it does, it comes

978
00:41:02,319 --> 00:41:04,000
over and jets in and the air conditioner

979
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:06,400
is over here. So I'm just wondering if

980
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:09,200
this line came down far enough

981
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:10,640
>> came too far.

982
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:12,880
>> Oh, this line this line maybe should

983
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:14,880
have ex

984
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:15,200
but

985
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:18,079
>> where's the structure is is the

986
00:41:18,079 --> 00:41:21,760
structure this line this you know solid

987
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:24,960
line that is

988
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:27,599
at the which would appear to be the

989
00:41:27,599 --> 00:41:32,069
north part of the garage.

990
00:41:32,079 --> 00:41:34,319
Yeah. I thought this was part of your

991
00:41:34,319 --> 00:41:37,359
house structure. This this little place

992
00:41:37,359 --> 00:41:40,630
in here.

993
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:44,240
» It is. It is. It is.

994
00:41:44,240 --> 00:41:45,920
>> So when you walk into your garage, how

995
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:48,000
do you enter your home? Through the

996
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:48,480
back.

997
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:48,960
>> Yeah.

998
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:50,880
>> So they're What's happening here?

999
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:53,680
>> Over here. So So well you So this you

1000
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:56,400
enter the home right here. So this is

1001
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:58,400
actually this is part of the home. This

1002
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:00,640
is where actually our furnace sits.

1003
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:01,200
>> So that's

1004
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:02,560
>> not Yeah. Our furnace and air

1005
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:03,440
conditioner.

1006
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:05,359
>> So this is this is a hard wall

1007
00:42:05,359 --> 00:42:06,560
structure. Yes, it is.

1008
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:08,880
>> The the solid lines.

1009
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:10,079
>> Yeah.

1010
00:42:10,079 --> 00:42:12,160
>> Which makes that like 2 ft.

1011
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:14,960
>> So it could be. So the the distance then

1012
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:16,000
from here

1013
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:16,560
>> to here

1014
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:18,000
>> to the structure is not six feet.

1015
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:22,160
>> It it Okay. So it it is it actually is I

1016
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:23,760
don't know this drawing is exactly

1017
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:25,440
>> W.

1018
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:27,760
It's from this corner where this starts

1019
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:29,920
is 6 feet. I measured it when we came

1020
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:32,319
today.

1021
00:42:32,319 --> 00:42:34,640
So maybe what maybe the way this is

1022
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:38,800
drawn is this should be again because

1023
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:43,280
we'll have a scale here necessarily is that maybe this should be over this

1024
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:45,599
way just a little bit and come down to

1025
00:42:45,599 --> 00:42:47,760
right here because where my garage where

1026
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:51,040
my concrete ends

1027
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:55,119
right here is where 6 ft is where is

1028
00:42:55,119 --> 00:42:56,319
where this garage will start.

1029
00:42:56,319 --> 00:42:56,880
Absolutely.

1030
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:59,520
>> So you're saying from the edge of the

1031
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:02,720
concrete this the extension

1032
00:43:02,720 --> 00:43:07,839
>> this this concrete goes down to here.

1033
00:43:07,839 --> 00:43:09,520
>> It has now a back up to here. So the

1034
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:11,359
concrete goes So are you saying that

1035
00:43:11,359 --> 00:43:14,480
this is off in this 35 ft? Yeah,

1036
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:17,200
probably it's I'm guessing maybe the way

1037
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:20,240
that this should should show is that is

1038
00:43:20,240 --> 00:43:22,079
this line moves in just a little bit

1039
00:43:22,079 --> 00:43:24,000
because there's from the corner of the

1040
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:25,520
house assuming this is the corner of the

1041
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:26,560
house.

1042
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:29,680
>> This is 6 and 1/2 ft to where this where

1043
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:31,200
the concrete starts and where we're

1044
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:33,200
going to start to build the corner. That

1045
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:34,960
would be the corner. So if I were to

1046
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:37,119
grant this and said you are allowed to

1047
00:43:37,119 --> 00:43:41,599
come within six feet of the norththeast

1048
00:43:41,599 --> 00:43:42,240
corner

1049
00:43:42,240 --> 00:43:42,640
>> Yes.

1050
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:43,760
>> of your property.

1051
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:44,720
>> Yes.

1052
00:43:44,720 --> 00:43:45,599
>> Right there.

1053
00:43:45,599 --> 00:43:46,560
>> Yep. That

1054
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:48,400
>> directly east six.

1055
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:50,400
>> Then you don't have any then that would

1056
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:53,520
give you contrary to this map we would

1057
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:55,599
talk about that it's over to excess and

1058
00:43:55,599 --> 00:43:58,800
you essentially being an extension of

1059
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:00,480
the access right

1060
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:04,880
>> on the of the existing concrete right.

1061
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:07,119
Is that that's because we want to make

1062
00:44:07,119 --> 00:44:07,839
sure that you

1063
00:44:07,839 --> 00:44:09,680
>> I've seen eight. I've only seen eight. I

1064
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:15,829
haven't gone over and examined.

1065
00:44:15,839 --> 00:44:19,839
» So, it' be 16 ft directly east

1066
00:44:19,839 --> 00:44:23,359
of the norththeast

1067
00:44:23,359 --> 00:44:25,359
>> corner

1068
00:44:25,359 --> 00:44:26,880
>> of the home.

1069
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:29,280
>> So, that if that doesn't make it 35,

1070
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:31,200
>> that makes it 35. Well, if it doesn't

1071
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:33,200
make it 35, you have to cut it down.

1072
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:34,319
>> You have to live with it.

1073
00:44:34,319 --> 00:44:36,240
>> Okay. Got it.

1074
00:44:36,240 --> 00:44:38,000
>> Now, let me ask a question for you,

1075
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:39,280
Wayne.

1076
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:41,520
>> When I asked you about whether or not

1077
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:46,480
the um for me for me,

1078
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:49,040
I don't see

1079
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:51,119
any reason that you couldn't comply with

1080
00:44:51,119 --> 00:44:53,520
the ordinance. You You don't There are

1081
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:56,319
reasons you would like not to, but that

1082
00:44:56,319 --> 00:44:58,000
strict compliance in this case is

1083
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:01,520
possible. Let me just finish that

1084
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:02,319
thought for a minute.

1085
00:45:02,319 --> 00:45:04,640
>> Okay. And for me the only way the

1086
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:06,560
justification is that if the purpose of

1087
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:10,720
that setback is for providing a for

1088
00:45:10,720 --> 00:45:14,000
wildlife or for wildfire safety

1089
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:16,880
protections and you're mitigating that

1090
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:18,880
by providing them inside where you would

1091
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:22,560
not have to do that.

1092
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:24,800
That's a mitigation where you're dealing

1093
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:26,319
with the general purpose of what that

1094
00:45:26,319 --> 00:45:28,880
was required for it to to do.

1095
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:31,040
>> Okay. The question I have Wayne about

1096
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:34,240
that is

1097
00:45:34,240 --> 00:45:37,119
um when you talked about from this code

1098
00:45:37,119 --> 00:45:39,200
and I asked you about is the suppression

1099
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:41,839
limited to the interior of the structure

1100
00:45:41,839 --> 00:45:44,000
or the exterior structure of the

1101
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:45,920
property outside and I kind of got the

1102
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:48,319
impression that yes it does the interior

1103
00:45:48,319 --> 00:45:50,800
but that it might have a benefit outside

1104
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:52,000
as well.

1105
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:55,200
>> Tell me about that.

1106
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:58,240
If a structure catches fire,

1107
00:45:58,240 --> 00:46:01,280
our concern is that it moves through

1108
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:03,680
that structure to the outside to the

1109
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:05,599
next structure.

1110
00:46:05,599 --> 00:46:07,440
So,

1111
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:09,119
and that's one of the primary reasons

1112
00:46:09,119 --> 00:46:09,520
for it.

1113
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:11,359
>> And it's a risk to you because it puts

1114
00:46:11,359 --> 00:46:12,560
you a home.

1115
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:17,200
>> I understand. Yeah. Understand. But but

1116
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:21,270
like

1117
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:22,640
But I just don't know. Well, there's

1118
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:24,240
nothing in there that's really should be

1119
00:46:24,240 --> 00:46:27,040
creating fire, but

1120
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:27,920
yeah, you're right.

1121
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:31,280
>> And he's doing everything that you do to

1122
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:34,400
the interior of a home to

1123
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:35,839
>> help suppress fire.

1124
00:46:35,839 --> 00:46:39,040
>> And let me ask but and but for that he

1125
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:41,680
but the question is there something that

1126
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:44,640
realistically that in as part of that

1127
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:47,280
suppression system that's in there can

1128
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:49,520
be available. So because my concern

1129
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:51,520
would be and as I understand the

1130
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:54,640
wildline the wildland urban fair phase I

1131
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:56,800
can't even say wildland urban

1132
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:58,560
>> interphase

1133
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:01,839
>> um is part of that of the separations is

1134
00:47:01,839 --> 00:47:04,480
because of the of fire jumping from you

1135
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:05,760
know one to another which you've

1136
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:08,000
increased the risk dramatically by

1137
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:09,760
having the six feet. Is there something

1138
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:12,640
in terms of suppression that can be

1139
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:15,599
available so that if that happens that

1140
00:47:15,599 --> 00:47:19,040
it would provide fire to suppress

1141
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:21,599
exterior, you know, from going here or

1142
00:47:21,599 --> 00:47:23,839
there so it can't jump or that you can

1143
00:47:23,839 --> 00:47:25,920
attack it more quickly.

1144
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:31,520
>> There's there's standards for exterior

1145
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:35,280
materials that's used for a house that

1146
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:39,040
has to have a certain fire rating to it.

1147
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:41,599
that's in our building code. So, they

1148
00:47:41,599 --> 00:47:44,720
can't just put up any kind of lumber or

1149
00:47:44,720 --> 00:47:49,280
any kind it it has to have a a

1150
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:51,040
um

1151
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:53,440
there's a designation for it that makes

1152
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:57,280
it fire resistant for the exterior

1153
00:47:57,280 --> 00:47:59,520
portions of a home.

1154
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:00,800
>> Well, and that makes it

1155
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:03,119
>> and that's code. So, so that's that's

1156
00:48:03,119 --> 00:48:05,040
one of the code items I was talking

1157
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:07,280
about, right? where if you throw up a a

1158
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:09,680
shed and you just put a bunch of plywood

1159
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:13,200
up there as an accessory building then

1160
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:14,800
that is then it's less

1161
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:15,520
>> it's less

1162
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:18,319
>> but and but this is much closer and it's

1163
00:48:18,319 --> 00:48:20,960
like reaching from here to where Mrs.

1164
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:25,040
Briggs and so is there something that to

1165
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:33,200
mitigate the risk that it's created by you know by reducing the setbacks to

1166
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:35,680
protect to provide better protection

1167
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:36,400
>> for my own home

1168
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:38,160
>> for your own home for your home and for

1169
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:40,800
the for your home and for the garage

1170
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:42,720
because it can go either way. I mean I

1171
00:48:42,720 --> 00:48:44,720
know that fires often start in kitchens

1172
00:48:44,720 --> 00:48:47,200
and often aren't they often in garages

1173
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:48,160
particularly if you want to do

1174
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:49,680
woodworking.

1175
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:53,839
Um, you know, and you've got a community

1176
00:48:53,839 --> 00:48:54,319
rating.

1177
00:48:54,319 --> 00:48:56,000
>> You've got a community that is so

1178
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:57,280
vulnerable

1179
00:48:57,280 --> 00:48:59,920
>> to fire

1180
00:48:59,920 --> 00:49:01,680
>> and that's where that fire rating of

1181
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:04,480
exterior materials comes into play.

1182
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:06,720
>> But that the exterior thing is

1183
00:49:06,720 --> 00:49:11,359
protecting it against fire

1184
00:49:11,359 --> 00:49:14,079
coming to it. It doesn't it's still

1185
00:49:14,079 --> 00:49:16,079
going to burn on the inside, right? I

1186
00:49:16,079 --> 00:49:16,480
mean,

1187
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:18,240
>> not necessarily.

1188
00:49:18,240 --> 00:49:21,760
I mean, Yes, but but it is it's not

1189
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:26,240
going to be like kindling on a fire.

1190
00:49:26,240 --> 00:49:27,599
That piece of wood

1191
00:49:27,599 --> 00:49:29,200
>> is going to

1192
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:32,480
>> it's fire. It's been treated. It's not

1193
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:34,480
just the exterior. It's that whole piece

1194
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:35,200
of wood.

1195
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:39,359
>> Is Is that material different than the

1196
00:49:39,359 --> 00:49:41,920
um fire rating of the material on his

1197
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:43,839
existing home?

1198
00:49:43,839 --> 00:49:46,000
>> I It shouldn't be. I would say that it's

1199
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:47,280
probably going to be better than what we

1200
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:49,119
have on our existing home. our existing

1201
00:49:49,119 --> 00:49:52,559
homes almost all cedar wood. Um, and

1202
00:49:52,559 --> 00:49:53,760
>> and that's been it would have been

1203
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:54,960
treated

1204
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:58,000
>> in order because that's a code issue in

1205
00:49:58,000 --> 00:49:59,440
our city.

1206
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:02,720
>> And so if you've got would

1207
00:50:02,720 --> 00:50:04,480
>> I'm just saying what are the things that

1208
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:07,359
he could mitigate to get him better

1209
00:50:07,359 --> 00:50:08,960
protection that would be more equivalent

1210
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:11,440
to what he would get if he had to have a

1211
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:12,160
separation.

1212
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:16,079
>> Right. One thing I do think so this is

1213
00:50:16,079 --> 00:50:18,319
the very corner of our house. So this is

1214
00:50:18,319 --> 00:50:20,480
going all the way back. So the very

1215
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:22,800
closest part of this would be right

1216
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:23,040
there.

1217
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:26,000
>> Right there. That's absolutely I mean

1218
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:28,400
>> but you're right. But that I mean once

1219
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:29,680
there was a fire

1220
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:32,319
>> if there's a fire in here the concern

1221
00:50:32,319 --> 00:50:34,000
would be your home puts your home at

1222
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:34,800
risk

1223
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:37,520
>> and and vice versa. Now the other

1224
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:39,520
question I had this you know this is

1225
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:41,520
nearly a th00 it's proposed at nearly

1226
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:46,480
a,000 square feet 35 by 35 right? Are

1227
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:52,000
there will the city code allow an um an

1228
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:55,599
what do they call an an a sex an

1229
00:50:55,599 --> 00:50:57,839
accessory building unit

1230
00:50:57,839 --> 00:50:59,040
>> in that property?

1231
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:01,280
>> Yes.

1232
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:04,960
>> Does that change what kind of code and

1233
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:09,349
materials would have to be required?

1234
00:51:09,359 --> 00:51:11,599
» If it's within 20 feet it does.

1235
00:51:11,599 --> 00:51:12,319
>> Okay.

1236
00:51:12,319 --> 00:51:14,400
>> Let me come back to that again. If it's

1237
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:19,280
beyond 20 ft, then there's no there's no

1238
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:24,150
code requirements.

1239
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:26,640
» So basically, I have to build the same I

1240
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:28,160
have to use the follow follow the same

1241
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:31,520
guidelines that they build my house.

1242
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:33,359
>> Um

1243
00:51:33,359 --> 00:51:34,240
because

1244
00:51:34,240 --> 00:51:36,160
>> so it's a plus if somebody's building

1245
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:37,440
accessory building and they want to

1246
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:39,680
build it to code,

1247
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:42,000
then all those code elements come into

1248
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:44,160
play. Now, if it's over 20 ft, they

1249
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:46,240
don't have to. But if they want to

1250
00:51:46,240 --> 00:51:47,760
preserve,

1251
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:49,520
for whatever reason the surrounding

1252
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:52,720
property, etc., they can build it to

1253
00:51:52,720 --> 00:51:54,640
code. They can put the those

1254
00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:56,160
fireresistant

1255
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:59,200
materials into the building.

1256
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:01,839
>> And would you be willing to to provide

1257
00:52:01,839 --> 00:52:04,559
all of that kind of code compliance?

1258
00:52:04,559 --> 00:52:06,160
>> When you say fire resistant, tell me

1259
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:09,200
like you mean insulation and and and I

1260
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:10,079
mean is

1261
00:52:10,079 --> 00:52:12,160
>> whatever the code requires. primarily

1262
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:14,960
it's the exterior structure.

1263
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:18,960
>> So, so the HOA has some requirements

1264
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:22,640
that you know that we we complied with.

1265
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:24,079
I mean, I went through and showed them

1266
00:52:24,079 --> 00:52:26,640
exactly what as far as the party board

1267
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:30,160
on the outside stuckle down three sides

1268
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:31,760
and they were they were fine with it,

1269
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:33,839
but I I I don't know enough about

1270
00:52:33,839 --> 00:52:36,240
>> I'm going to say come to them. Don't go

1271
00:52:36,240 --> 00:52:37,359
to your I mean

1272
00:52:37,359 --> 00:52:39,040
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I

1273
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:41,119
>> well we will now because I mean I've

1274
00:52:41,119 --> 00:52:43,040
been waiting I didn't want to put in

1275
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:44,640
more money till I could figure out if we

1276
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:46,240
were going to be able to do it but now

1277
00:52:46,240 --> 00:52:47,599
we can do it then we're going to we're

1278
00:52:47,599 --> 00:52:48,800
going to get underway

1279
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:53,599
>> because it seems to me that if if we're talking about here and

1280
00:52:53,599 --> 00:52:56,000
we're talking over here

1281
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:58,960
strict compliance would allow you to

1282
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:03,280
probably build a 20ft depth that would

1283
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:03,839
probably

1284
00:53:03,839 --> 00:53:07,040
>> it would like if I was to move 20 20 ft

1285
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:08,319
away from the structure

1286
00:53:08,319 --> 00:53:10,079
I mean, if you pulled this back, so you

1287
00:53:10,079 --> 00:53:12,960
were 20 ft that way.

1288
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:14,000
>> We We looked at

1289
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:14,880
>> You can't get there.

1290
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:16,400
>> Yeah. You You can't

1291
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:17,599
>> You can't get there.

1292
00:53:17,599 --> 00:53:18,640
>> We can't.

1293
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:19,839
>> It doesn't work.

1294
00:53:19,839 --> 00:53:22,319
>> So 20 ft. This looks like it's what?

1295
00:53:22,319 --> 00:53:24,240
Maybe

1296
00:53:24,240 --> 00:53:26,640
that's 5T. This is less than five.

1297
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:30,240
>> Yeah, that might be like

1298
00:53:30,240 --> 00:53:32,559
>> three. But again, keep in mind, we did

1299
00:53:32,559 --> 00:53:34,720
our best to try to figure out scale, but

1300
00:53:34,720 --> 00:53:36,400
I think this needs to come in just a

1301
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:39,920
little bit because I actually guarantee

1302
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:42,319
you that it's six at least six feet away

1303
00:53:42,319 --> 00:53:44,079
from the corner of the house where a

1304
00:53:44,079 --> 00:53:47,280
garage would start. So,

1305
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:49,920
>> but that's right. Would be rightly

1306
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:51,440
>> if it's right there, whatever. But then

1307
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:53,760
from there, we measured over and so we

1308
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:55,760
ran a line, you know, make sure that we

1309
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:57,920
were 5 ft off of Gay's property line. We

1310
00:53:57,920 --> 00:53:59,599
know we know the property line. We

1311
00:53:59,599 --> 00:54:01,200
strung it.

1312
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:04,559
>> Yeah. And then we um and 10 feet off the

1313
00:54:04,559 --> 00:54:07,280
back and measured this out the builder.

1314
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:08,559
>> And that gives you the 35.

1315
00:54:08,559 --> 00:54:10,880
>> Give us the 35 ft. We may have to shrink

1316
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:15,119
it to 34. Um it but currently we could

1317
00:54:15,119 --> 00:54:18,640
get 35 in there. The problem is that if

1318
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:20,480
you try to move it over and take the 20

1319
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:23,040
ft, so you go into our house and you got

1320
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:25,440
to go then it would really kind of look

1321
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:27,359
weird.

1322
00:54:27,359 --> 00:54:29,680
But but we can't that's it's a mood

1323
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:31,040
issue because it's not big enough

1324
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:32,960
anyway.

1325
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:36,950
So

1326
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:40,950
» because

1327
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:44,480
» if you come if you leave the depth here

1328
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:46,880
but are not

1329
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:50,160
>> this is where we need the depth really

1330
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:50,960
this way

1331
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:53,040
>> you right so they need the depth but if

1332
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:56,480
you move the size so it wasn't as wide

1333
00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:59,119
would it get get it back

1334
00:54:59,119 --> 00:55:02,960
>> it so you know you mean to buy 20 ft.

1335
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:03,280
>> Yeah.

1336
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:04,800
>> You know, it we decided

1337
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:07,839
>> Well, cuz that was 15 ft. Is it a 15 If

1338
00:55:07,839 --> 00:55:09,440
you're adding Well, but that's going

1339
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:11,359
over here.

1340
00:55:11,359 --> 00:55:13,839
>> Do you add 20 ft to that? You It makes

1341
00:55:13,839 --> 00:55:16,960
it so it it really doesn't work

1342
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:20,720
>> because the garage then becomes I mean,

1343
00:55:20,720 --> 00:55:21,920
if I'm going to put this kind of money

1344
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:23,040
into the garage, I want to be able to

1345
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:25,760
put my like I'm hoping to put a trailer

1346
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:28,319
and a boat in there. If not, for sure, a

1347
00:55:28,319 --> 00:55:32,640
boat. um and and then do some other

1348
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:35,040
stuff. It just it just shrinks it down

1349
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:37,599
to the size that does I mean we wouldn't

1350
00:55:37,599 --> 00:55:37,920
well

1351
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:39,920
>> we wouldn't build shrinks it down to an

1352
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:43,670
accessory size.

1353
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:44,559
» Yeah.

1354
00:55:44,559 --> 00:55:45,760
>> Um

1355
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:47,599
>> we we've had accessory buildings that

1356
00:55:47,599 --> 00:55:49,440
are 60 by 60.

1357
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:54,000
>> I not in that area

1358
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:55,760
>> but the size of it is not

1359
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:57,440
>> so this is interesting I think. I don't

1360
00:55:57,440 --> 00:56:00,799
know. So yeah, it doesn't matter. The

1361
00:56:00,799 --> 00:56:02,880
lot across the street is a villa, which

1362
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:06,240
is weird, is a villa lot.

1363
00:56:06,240 --> 00:56:08,000
So that makes their setbacks. They're

1364
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:12,240
not even maybe 10 ft from the house next

1365
00:56:12,240 --> 00:56:13,760
door.

1366
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:16,559
>> Um, and that house is bigger than our

1367
00:56:16,559 --> 00:56:18,400
house square footage wise

1368
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:20,160
>> and it's a villa.

1369
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:22,400
>> They apparently this was apparently a

1370
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:24,400
villa lot when they when they

1371
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:26,240
>> I don't know what that means.

1372
00:56:26,240 --> 00:56:27,599
just on a bridge.

1373
00:56:27,599 --> 00:56:28,319
>> Never mind.

1374
00:56:28,319 --> 00:56:30,480
>> It was a different It's getting into the

1375
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:31,680
different zone probably.

1376
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:34,799
>> Yeah. Covers different zones

1377
00:56:34,799 --> 00:56:36,319
across the street, but they combined

1378
00:56:36,319 --> 00:56:38,960
ourses to the villas. You're right. I'm

1379
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:40,000
in the weeds.

1380
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:42,720
>> Um I know they're really fun to get

1381
00:56:42,720 --> 00:56:46,319
into, but where we need to go.

1382
00:56:46,319 --> 00:56:48,720
>> I have a thought if I can interject if

1383
00:56:48,720 --> 00:56:49,280
you're

1384
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:50,960
>> Okay, introduce your name then.

1385
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:52,240
>> I'm Aaron Lloyd.

1386
00:56:52,240 --> 00:56:53,119
>> Hello, Erin.

1387
00:56:53,119 --> 00:56:56,960
>> Um hello. So if your concern is being

1388
00:56:56,960 --> 00:56:59,280
closer than 20 ft in the fire between

1389
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:02,799
the two in the fire suppression system,

1390
00:57:02,799 --> 00:57:07,040
it's very simple to add exterior fire

1391
00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:10,559
sprinklers and have a dry whip that

1392
00:57:10,559 --> 00:57:14,480
attaches to it that if a fire is coming

1393
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:16,720
from the house to the garage or the

1394
00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:18,640
garage to the house

1395
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:21,520
>> that it would start either way. Dry

1396
00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:23,839
whips on a fire sprinkler system are

1397
00:57:23,839 --> 00:57:25,839
about $650

1398
00:57:25,839 --> 00:57:29,040
a head. And if it's only at the corner,

1399
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:31,760
I'm not a fire sprinkler guy, but I do

1400
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:33,119
know you probably wouldn't need that

1401
00:57:33,119 --> 00:57:35,440
many. So, it's not a huge cost,

1402
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:38,720
>> but that could bridge the gap of keeping

1403
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:41,680
the fire in contained to one

1404
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:44,640
>> area. Aaron's a builder, I might say.

1405
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:46,000
So, he's

1406
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:47,839
>> interesting knowledgeable about some of

1407
00:57:47,839 --> 00:57:49,520
those things. and thanks for picking up

1408
00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:51,359
on my concern and seeing if there was a

1409
00:57:51,359 --> 00:57:54,480
way to solve the problem because I know

1410
00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:56,880
that the p the general purpose is we've

1411
00:57:56,880 --> 00:58:00,240
talked about it is to provide that kind

1412
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:02,640
of protection for the risk because you

1413
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:04,319
wouldn't want to be coming having a fire

1414
00:58:04,319 --> 00:58:06,000
coming up that hill and hit your garage

1415
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:06,880
and

1416
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:09,119
>> hit your house and and take them both

1417
00:58:09,119 --> 00:58:10,400
out when

1418
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:12,000
>> you would have had a chance to fight it

1419
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:13,599
had they've been separated longer.

1420
00:58:13,599 --> 00:58:15,359
>> Yeah. So, it's probably going to fit

1421
00:58:15,359 --> 00:58:17,920
extra e exterior materials, including

1422
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:21,599
the roof and the and your siding and all

1423
00:58:21,599 --> 00:58:23,599
of that. That would be required.

1424
00:58:23,599 --> 00:58:25,599
>> Just real quick, cuz I don't know, but

1425
00:58:25,599 --> 00:58:28,880
is stucco on three sides and hardy board

1426
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:32,400
on is is that fire resistant at all?

1427
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:34,400
>> It's not a class A system, but it's

1428
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:36,799
better than cedar, but treated cedar is

1429
00:58:36,799 --> 00:58:39,440
probably the same. Hardy board is better

1430
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:41,760
because it's cement composite.

1431
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:45,119
>> Yeah. But it is better. They're not

1432
00:58:45,119 --> 00:58:47,760
going to strike in strike in amber, but

1433
00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:50,640
you could do a class A fire system on

1434
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:52,000
the outside of the house.

1435
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:52,240
>> Yeah.

1436
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:53,040
>> Okay.

1437
00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:54,640
>> That could meet that.

1438
00:58:54,640 --> 00:59:03,270
>> Okay.

1439
00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:05,280
Do you want any comments that you

1440
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:06,799
want to make on behalf of the city in

1441
00:59:06,799 --> 00:59:07,599
terms of

1442
00:59:07,599 --> 00:59:11,040
>> No, we're

1443
00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:14,960
we don't have any objections to what

1444
00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:16,960
he's proposed

1445
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:19,920
given the research that we've done on

1446
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:21,520
it.

1447
00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:23,920
Um,

1448
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:25,920
so

1449
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:27,760
and with the other elements involved

1450
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:31,839
with the HOA and telling him he could do

1451
00:59:31,839 --> 00:59:35,040
it and we're trying to work with him to

1452
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:38,640
bring the HOA to some degree and educate

1453
00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:41,599
them to

1454
00:59:41,599 --> 00:59:43,440
>> well and I appreciate the fact that I

1455
00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:45,040
hope you appreciate the fact that your

1456
00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:49,599
city is trying to resolve an issue that

1457
00:59:49,599 --> 00:59:52,160
um someone helps kind of created for

1458
00:59:52,160 --> 00:59:53,280
them.

1459
00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:55,599
>> And um

1460
00:59:55,599 --> 00:59:58,960
>> so property owners should deal with

1461
00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:01,520
cities and then go to the HOA. I mean, I

1462
01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:03,200
know you have to make both people happy,

1463
01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:05,359
but

1464
01:00:05,359 --> 01:00:07,680
your HOA has more latitude to change

1465
01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:09,680
than your city does. And the city is

1466
01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:12,400
doing it. I have a concern in the fact

1467
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:14,480
that

1468
01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:16,160
I can't say that there's anything about

1469
01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:21,280
this lot that cannot be complied with as

1470
01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:23,040
under code strictly with strict

1471
01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:24,799
compliance.

1472
01:00:24,799 --> 01:00:27,680
However, I do see that it is

1473
01:00:27,680 --> 01:00:31,520
complicating the fact that

1474
01:00:31,520 --> 01:00:35,680
um what you're proposing

1475
01:00:35,680 --> 01:00:38,400
for it really designs on it being

1476
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:41,359
considered an attached garage rather

1477
01:00:41,359 --> 01:00:44,160
than part of the the house and bound by

1478
01:00:44,160 --> 01:00:46,960
the the setbacks that would be required

1479
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:48,799
for the house.

1480
01:00:48,799 --> 01:00:52,240
The mitigating factor to me is that the

1481
01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:55,359
only reason I can justify in that or

1482
01:00:55,359 --> 01:00:58,400
consider that is that if you bring those

1483
01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:00,480
up to provide the kind of suppression

1484
01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:02,480
that is require I mean it's contemplated

1485
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:04,880
as I see for the general purpose of

1486
01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:06,559
suppressing and being able to deal with

1487
01:01:06,559 --> 01:01:08,880
a fire and not allowing it to

1488
01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:11,280
communicate between each other. And so

1489
01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:13,119
dealing with the external tip materials

1490
01:01:13,119 --> 01:01:15,680
in a fire safety

1491
01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:17,200
um

1492
01:01:17,200 --> 01:01:19,920
system that will allow suppression,

1493
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:23,200
exterior suppression. You called it a

1494
01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:24,720
>> drywood.

1495
01:01:24,720 --> 01:01:26,559
can also do it with just a regular

1496
01:01:26,559 --> 01:01:30,480
sprinkler system that is um like a

1497
01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:32,880
glycol based and you could actually run

1498
01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:34,640
it all the way around

1499
01:01:34,640 --> 01:01:38,000
>> the exterior in the eaves and it

1500
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:38,799
wouldn't be

1501
01:01:38,799 --> 01:01:41,040
>> so that's how they deal with freezing is

1502
01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:42,400
they use glycol in it

1503
01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:45,280
>> either glycol yep or the dry whip it's

1504
01:01:45,280 --> 01:01:47,760
in the house and it's got like a

1505
01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:50,240
three-foot tether to the sprinkler that

1506
01:01:50,240 --> 01:01:53,920
goes outside and the sensor is out here

1507
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:56,319
but It controls a valve here that if

1508
01:01:56,319 --> 01:01:59,200
there's a fire, it kicks the valve,

1509
01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:00,960
shoots the water up there. That way, you

1510
01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:03,280
don't have it to have the glycol system.

1511
01:02:03,280 --> 01:02:05,119
So, there's two ways of designing it and

1512
01:02:05,119 --> 01:02:05,760
doing it.

1513
01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:07,040
>> We probably have to have the glycol

1514
01:02:07,040 --> 01:02:08,240
system because we're not going to have a

1515
01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:10,559
heating system inside the garage.

1516
01:02:10,559 --> 01:02:12,640
>> Yeah, glycol would be better in that

1517
01:02:12,640 --> 01:02:15,040
case. Well, and and whether because I

1518
01:02:15,040 --> 01:02:17,839
know that at least in the area that I

1519
01:02:17,839 --> 01:02:20,720
live that large garages often tend to

1520
01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:23,680
have dwelling units above it when you

1521
01:02:23,680 --> 01:02:25,520
for good reasons. Um it's more

1522
01:02:25,520 --> 01:02:27,520
affordable housing and we have these

1523
01:02:27,520 --> 01:02:28,720
children that come back and

1524
01:02:28,720 --> 01:02:30,160
grandchildren that

1525
01:02:30,160 --> 01:02:32,799
>> that we love to have with generational

1526
01:02:32,799 --> 01:02:35,760
living. Um

1527
01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:40,319
and so that I can in this case consider

1528
01:02:40,319 --> 01:02:42,960
that while it

1529
01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:47,280
with with the condition that you submit

1530
01:02:47,280 --> 01:02:50,400
a system whether that is a dry whip

1531
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:52,880
system or another system that will be

1532
01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:54,880
required by the fire department to be

1533
01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:57,119
approved that will provide the ability

1534
01:02:57,119 --> 01:02:59,839
for providing fire suppression outside

1535
01:02:59,839 --> 01:03:02,000
of the exteriors to protect both

1536
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:06,079
buildings from uh fire, you know, moving

1537
01:03:06,079 --> 01:03:07,119
either way,

1538
01:03:07,119 --> 01:03:08,079
>> right?

1539
01:03:08,079 --> 01:03:09,920
>> That

1540
01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:12,480
I believe that that will advance the

1541
01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:15,520
general purpose as well as deal with

1542
01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:17,440
your particular

1543
01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:20,640
issue that's involved

1544
01:03:20,640 --> 01:03:25,440
and provide you the protection that would be

1545
01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:27,280
accommodated by the setback if the

1546
01:03:27,280 --> 01:03:29,440
setback were there.

1547
01:03:29,440 --> 01:03:32,880
Um I I mean the last thing I want to do

1548
01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:35,599
is create a situation where it would

1549
01:03:35,599 --> 01:03:39,039
have my home burn down. So I so as we go

1550
01:03:39,039 --> 01:03:40,720
as we started to go through this and I

1551
01:03:40,720 --> 01:03:42,000
realized oh my gosh we got to do a

1552
01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:44,559
variance. We we actually stopped kind of

1553
01:03:44,559 --> 01:03:47,599
going further until we had this

1554
01:03:47,599 --> 01:03:50,240
>> but but you're but I don't have any

1555
01:03:50,240 --> 01:03:51,440
problem with that because we want to

1556
01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:53,440
protect our main you know

1557
01:03:53,440 --> 01:03:55,200
>> the other thing is is that I would put a

1558
01:03:55,200 --> 01:03:57,119
waiver that you would proceed to the

1559
01:03:57,119 --> 01:03:58,720
root

1560
01:03:58,720 --> 01:04:01,280
Sorry, I'm not sure what that's doing.

1561
01:04:01,280 --> 01:04:03,760
That be a waiver of any um liability

1562
01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:06,720
against the city against as a property

1563
01:04:06,720 --> 01:04:09,599
on the lean for anybody for anybody

1564
01:04:09,599 --> 01:04:12,640
owning the home now or grabbed your lean

1565
01:04:12,640 --> 01:04:15,119
that wave immunity

1566
01:04:15,119 --> 01:04:17,039
if in fact there's a fire that occurs

1567
01:04:17,039 --> 01:04:20,000
there because you've enhanced the the

1568
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:21,599
hazard.

1569
01:04:21,599 --> 01:04:23,520
Um,

1570
01:04:23,520 --> 01:04:26,000
and and I don't mean to wave your

1571
01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:27,920
rights, but I mean you're you're asking

1572
01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:30,480
the city to do something that will

1573
01:04:30,480 --> 01:04:33,599
increase the risk in the event of a

1574
01:04:33,599 --> 01:04:35,920
firefighting that will implicate your

1575
01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:38,720
own home. And it isn't appropriate in my

1576
01:04:38,720 --> 01:04:40,720
opinion to have a turnaround and claim

1577
01:04:40,720 --> 01:04:43,280
the city. Well, you know, my fire my

1578
01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:45,119
house burned down because the fire came

1579
01:04:45,119 --> 01:04:46,720
up the backside and it went to the

1580
01:04:46,720 --> 01:04:48,720
garage and it went to the house and it's

1581
01:04:48,720 --> 01:04:51,280
your fault for letting me put and it may

1582
01:04:51,280 --> 01:04:53,280
not be you. It may be whoever you sell

1583
01:04:53,280 --> 01:04:53,920
it to,

1584
01:04:53,920 --> 01:04:55,680
>> right? Understand that.

1585
01:04:55,680 --> 01:04:58,559
>> And that that um that that's a waiver of

1586
01:04:58,559 --> 01:05:00,720
that claim

1587
01:05:00,720 --> 01:05:03,680
um that will be record.

1588
01:05:03,680 --> 01:05:03,839
But

1589
01:05:03,839 --> 01:05:06,240
>> wouldn't that apply to anybody that

1590
01:05:06,240 --> 01:05:07,599
builds a home in there then? I mean I

1591
01:05:07,599 --> 01:05:09,119
mean you build a home in there and the

1592
01:05:09,119 --> 01:05:11,680
fire for example you're going to build a

1593
01:05:11,680 --> 01:05:14,000
lot that home is not more than 10 ft

1594
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:16,000
from the other home. So what happens if

1595
01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:20,160
that home starts on fire I mean

1596
01:05:20,160 --> 01:05:22,079
and then moves to the other home I mean

1597
01:05:22,079 --> 01:05:23,839
aren't we talking about the same the

1598
01:05:23,839 --> 01:05:25,920
same kind of thing? There's always

1599
01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:29,119
liability attached to anything that you

1600
01:05:29,119 --> 01:05:29,920
do. Yeah,

1601
01:05:29,920 --> 01:05:31,760
>> there is. But you're creating the li

1602
01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:34,160
you're you're adding to the liability,

1603
01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:36,240
>> right? I understand what you're saying.

1604
01:05:36,240 --> 01:05:38,160
>> Risk

1605
01:05:38,160 --> 01:05:39,280
understand what you're saying.

1606
01:05:39,280 --> 01:05:42,000
>> Just to add a little bit, I don't want

1607
01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:43,520
to

1608
01:05:43,520 --> 01:05:46,079
add confusion. There's other lots in

1609
01:05:46,079 --> 01:05:51,200
that same area that have less setbacks,

1610
01:05:51,200 --> 01:05:54,079
distance. So, and that's the point that

1611
01:05:54,079 --> 01:05:56,720
Mr. Briggs is making uh he's building

1612
01:05:56,720 --> 01:05:59,039
across the street from a house that has

1613
01:05:59,039 --> 01:06:02,640
less setback than what his house does

1614
01:06:02,640 --> 01:06:04,240
because it's a different zone.

1615
01:06:04,240 --> 01:06:04,799
>> Well, but

1616
01:06:04,799 --> 01:06:07,280
>> but the the threat is is essentially the

1617
01:06:07,280 --> 01:06:14,400
same. It's it's not any greater than what his home

1618
01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:16,319
has.

1619
01:06:16,319 --> 01:06:18,319
But I I I understand. I know what you're

1620
01:06:18,319 --> 01:06:19,680
saying.

1621
01:06:19,680 --> 01:06:21,760
>> I I and so do I. And I and I don't thing

1622
01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:26,880
is I don't want to get sued because you know we built this garage

1623
01:06:26,880 --> 01:06:29,280
and for some reason it it it catches

1624
01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:30,799
fire and it doesn't just get my house it

1625
01:06:30,799 --> 01:06:32,799
gets somebody else's house. It it would

1626
01:06:32,799 --> 01:06:34,160
be very unlikely because of the

1627
01:06:34,160 --> 01:06:35,280
separation but

1628
01:06:35,280 --> 01:06:37,039
>> well and that's what the separation is

1629
01:06:37,039 --> 01:06:39,520
intended to do is to slow that down. So

1630
01:06:39,520 --> 01:06:48,240
by having your suppression in my thinking is that that's compensating

1631
01:06:48,240 --> 01:06:50,480
for the um for the lack of the

1632
01:06:50,480 --> 01:06:52,960
separation by having the suppression and

1633
01:06:52,960 --> 01:06:54,880
it will be you know

1634
01:06:54,880 --> 01:06:56,400
>> makes sense makes good sense

1635
01:06:56,400 --> 01:06:58,319
>> provides that to you and u because

1636
01:06:58,319 --> 01:06:59,839
otherwise

1637
01:06:59,839 --> 01:07:02,480
>> you know otherwise you could comply but

1638
01:07:02,480 --> 01:07:05,359
you can't get what you want

1639
01:07:05,359 --> 01:07:07,359
but in getting what you want it can pose

1640
01:07:07,359 --> 01:07:09,359
a certain risk and things and So if you

1641
01:07:09,359 --> 01:07:11,520
can mitigate that in my mind

1642
01:07:11,520 --> 01:07:14,240
>> to compensate for that and to provide it

1643
01:07:14,240 --> 01:07:14,880
then

1644
01:07:14,880 --> 01:07:16,640
>> and and so that means your exterior

1645
01:07:16,640 --> 01:07:18,480
materials would need and they probably

1646
01:07:18,480 --> 01:07:20,000
would need to be approved by the fire

1647
01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:20,720
chief.

1648
01:07:20,720 --> 01:07:23,839
>> Okay, being um the suppression the

1649
01:07:23,839 --> 01:07:26,960
outside exterior protect suppression as

1650
01:07:26,960 --> 01:07:29,680
capability as well as whatever would be

1651
01:07:29,680 --> 01:07:32,079
required on the inside as if it were

1652
01:07:32,079 --> 01:07:34,160
considered part of your residence. So, I

1653
01:07:34,160 --> 01:07:35,520
guess the question I have, and this is a

1654
01:07:35,520 --> 01:07:37,039
builder question, but what kinds of

1655
01:07:37,039 --> 01:07:40,240
materials on the exterior of your house

1656
01:07:40,240 --> 01:07:42,799
are I mean, I don't know what the fire

1657
01:07:42,799 --> 01:07:44,160
chief's going to say. I have no idea

1658
01:07:44,160 --> 01:07:45,680
what the fire chief's going to say, but

1659
01:07:45,680 --> 01:07:47,520
>> Well, there's a building code that's

1660
01:07:47,520 --> 01:07:50,079
that that that

1661
01:07:50,079 --> 01:07:52,799
says what the rating has to be.

1662
01:07:52,799 --> 01:07:54,480
>> Okay. All right. I'll have to look into

1663
01:07:54,480 --> 01:07:54,960
that.

1664
01:07:54,960 --> 01:07:57,359
>> Things that you can do because I do

1665
01:07:57,359 --> 01:08:00,240
build in moo areas.

1666
01:08:00,240 --> 01:08:04,880
um half inch or 5/8 um exterior grade

1667
01:08:04,880 --> 01:08:06,960
drywall underneath the siding.

1668
01:08:06,960 --> 01:08:09,280
>> Okay. So, we're using 5/8 inch

1669
01:08:09,280 --> 01:08:10,079
sheetrock.

1670
01:08:10,079 --> 01:08:12,240
>> Yeah. But on the outside. So, you'd have

1671
01:08:12,240 --> 01:08:15,280
to use um they have exterior grade.

1672
01:08:15,280 --> 01:08:17,920
They're made for fire. You can put that

1673
01:08:17,920 --> 01:08:21,279
on the outside underneath your sighting.

1674
01:08:21,279 --> 01:08:24,000
That would give you a class A system.

1675
01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:25,679
You could use a metal sighting, too.

1676
01:08:25,679 --> 01:08:27,279
That could get you there. They have an

1677
01:08:27,279 --> 01:08:29,359
underllayment for Wooi. have to use a

1678
01:08:29,359 --> 01:08:32,159
fire retardant underllayment. You could

1679
01:08:32,159 --> 01:08:33,679
I'm sure there's a system that you could

1680
01:08:33,679 --> 01:08:36,080
run that vertically, too.

1681
01:08:36,080 --> 01:08:41,199
>> But yeah, there's tons of options that I'm sure the fire chief knows even

1682
01:08:41,199 --> 01:08:42,719
better than me. But yeah, those are a

1683
01:08:42,719 --> 01:08:45,440
few.

1684
01:08:45,440 --> 01:08:49,269
>> Um,

1685
01:08:49,279 --> 01:08:53,030
so

1686
01:08:53,040 --> 01:08:55,600
I will do a written order

1687
01:08:55,600 --> 01:08:59,279
of this being a

1688
01:08:59,279 --> 01:09:02,239
But we would

1689
01:09:02,239 --> 01:09:05,040
grant the variance for the detached

1690
01:09:05,040 --> 01:09:07,120
garage to be considered as a detached

1691
01:09:07,120 --> 01:09:10,000
garage and maintain the existing

1692
01:09:10,000 --> 01:09:13,359
separation or the the required setbacks

1693
01:09:13,359 --> 01:09:16,319
on the north and the east side but allow

1694
01:09:16,319 --> 01:09:16,560
it

1695
01:09:16,560 --> 01:09:18,719
>> the existing building setbacks

1696
01:09:18,719 --> 01:09:20,640
>> for the garage structure.

1697
01:09:20,640 --> 01:09:24,319
>> Yes. Um and with the with the variance

1698
01:09:24,319 --> 01:09:30,159
of the reducing the 20 foot setback to

1699
01:09:30,159 --> 01:09:33,920
a line extending from the existing

1700
01:09:33,920 --> 01:09:38,229
concrete is that

1701
01:09:38,239 --> 01:09:41,440
» okay so we have a place that's

1702
01:09:41,440 --> 01:09:42,159
>> Yep.

1703
01:09:42,159 --> 01:09:44,319
>> Um not to go any closer than that and

1704
01:09:44,319 --> 01:09:48,640
going so if that's not 35 ft you don't

1705
01:09:48,640 --> 01:09:50,080
get 35 ft you get from

1706
01:09:50,080 --> 01:09:52,880
>> Got it. concrete in place

1707
01:09:52,880 --> 01:09:55,920
>> and um but that that is conditioned upon

1708
01:09:55,920 --> 01:09:57,520
you

1709
01:09:57,520 --> 01:09:59,600
meeting with the I mean complying with

1710
01:09:59,600 --> 01:10:02,320
what the fire chief will require for

1711
01:10:02,320 --> 01:10:07,520
bringing that the garage is constructed

1712
01:10:07,520 --> 01:10:10,080
as and meets the codes as if it were

1713
01:10:10,080 --> 01:10:11,120
part of the residence.

1714
01:10:11,120 --> 01:10:15,280
>> Okay. And that it provides a um

1715
01:10:15,280 --> 01:10:18,800
suppression system

1716
01:10:18,800 --> 01:10:21,440
for exterior

1717
01:10:21,440 --> 01:10:25,040
well exterior suppression water superior

1718
01:10:25,040 --> 01:10:29,360
>> um to pro to protect

1719
01:10:29,360 --> 01:10:32,640
both the home and

1720
01:10:32,640 --> 01:10:33,520
the garage.

1721
01:10:33,520 --> 01:10:34,320
>> Okay.

1722
01:10:34,320 --> 01:10:34,719
>> Is that

1723
01:10:34,719 --> 01:10:36,159
>> so would that Yeah. I guess the question

1724
01:10:36,159 --> 01:10:37,840
I have is would that exterior

1725
01:10:37,840 --> 01:10:40,080
suppression then

1726
01:10:40,080 --> 01:10:43,679
I relate to just the side of the house

1727
01:10:43,679 --> 01:10:45,840
where is closest to our house? Are you

1728
01:10:45,840 --> 01:10:47,600
talking about the entire facil the

1729
01:10:47,600 --> 01:10:50,080
entire building?

1730
01:10:50,080 --> 01:10:52,239
>> I' I'd suggest you don't the entire

1731
01:10:52,239 --> 01:10:54,880
building all the way around it.

1732
01:10:54,880 --> 01:10:56,640
>> Okay. Okay.

1733
01:10:56,640 --> 01:10:59,120
>> I think you I would leave that to the

1734
01:10:59,120 --> 01:11:00,719
fire chief. I would think that it would

1735
01:11:00,719 --> 01:11:02,800
be at least these two facades.

1736
01:11:02,800 --> 01:11:04,640
>> Yeah. At least the at least the north

1737
01:11:04,640 --> 01:11:05,520
and the

1738
01:11:05,520 --> 01:11:06,080
>> and the east.

1739
01:11:06,080 --> 01:11:06,960
>> In the east.

1740
01:11:06,960 --> 01:11:07,920
>> Yeah.

1741
01:11:07,920 --> 01:11:13,030
>> Um

1742
01:11:13,040 --> 01:11:14,880
» or the west cuz that's in our side.

1743
01:11:14,880 --> 01:11:15,600
Okay, I got it.

1744
01:11:15,600 --> 01:11:17,760
>> The west is um

1745
01:11:17,760 --> 01:11:20,080
>> west is on our side, but

1746
01:11:20,080 --> 01:11:21,679
>> well the west is downside, but you don't

1747
01:11:21,679 --> 01:11:23,520
have trees there and you've got large

1748
01:11:23,520 --> 01:11:24,400
separations,

1749
01:11:24,400 --> 01:11:25,199
>> right? Right.

1750
01:11:25,199 --> 01:11:27,040
>> So I would leave that to the fire chief,

1751
01:11:27,040 --> 01:11:28,800
but it would include at least this

1752
01:11:28,800 --> 01:11:33,760
portion to provide the equivalent time

1753
01:11:33,760 --> 01:11:35,840
>> as of the separation being there.

1754
01:11:35,840 --> 01:11:37,199
>> Okay.

1755
01:11:37,199 --> 01:11:39,040
>> In lie of the separate basically

1756
01:11:39,040 --> 01:11:41,760
providing it in li of the separation.

1757
01:11:41,760 --> 01:11:43,199
>> The last thing I want to do is have a

1758
01:11:43,199 --> 01:11:45,280
fire that would would affect our home or

1759
01:11:45,280 --> 01:11:47,600
anybody else's home. So I'm totally good

1760
01:11:47,600 --> 01:11:49,120
with that.

1761
01:11:49,120 --> 01:11:52,159
See, and and I don't have a problem if

1762
01:11:52,159 --> 01:11:53,840
you're detached garages in that's having

1763
01:11:53,840 --> 01:12:00,960
an ABU in it. But that's neither here nor there.

1764
01:12:00,960 --> 01:12:01,840
>> Um,

1765
01:12:01,840 --> 01:12:03,520
>> and someday when you sell a boat and

1766
01:12:03,520 --> 01:12:05,520
sell a trailer, then maybe you turn it

1767
01:12:05,520 --> 01:12:07,040
into an ADU.

1768
01:12:07,040 --> 01:12:09,679
>> Well, is it two story or one? I figured

1769
01:12:09,679 --> 01:12:11,360
it probably

1770
01:12:11,360 --> 01:12:13,120
one story. It'll be high, but it'll be

1771
01:12:13,120 --> 01:12:15,199
one story. So, you get a garage in.

1772
01:12:15,199 --> 01:12:18,800
>> I would say gosh, take it up another

1773
01:12:18,800 --> 01:12:21,280
that our kids are not coming back to

1774
01:12:21,280 --> 01:12:21,600
live.

1775
01:12:21,600 --> 01:12:24,000
>> No, we did that already.

1776
01:12:24,000 --> 01:12:26,080
>> We have 22 grandchildren. So,

1777
01:12:26,080 --> 01:12:27,199
>> so am I.

1778
01:12:27,199 --> 01:12:27,760
>> Do you really?

1779
01:12:27,760 --> 01:12:28,400
>> You have to.

1780
01:12:28,400 --> 01:12:29,360
>> Good for you.

1781
01:12:29,360 --> 01:12:30,960
>> You get it then.

1782
01:12:30,960 --> 01:12:34,000
>> I get it. But they come back.

1783
01:12:34,000 --> 01:12:35,360
>> Like you'll have grandkids back and

1784
01:12:35,360 --> 01:12:36,080
forth.

1785
01:12:36,080 --> 01:12:37,440
>> Yeah. And And you want them back,

1786
01:12:37,440 --> 01:12:39,360
>> you know. Well, I'm just kidding. I But

1787
01:12:39,360 --> 01:12:40,560
nobody's going to be living in the

1788
01:12:40,560 --> 01:12:42,880
garage cuz there's not going to be music

1789
01:12:42,880 --> 01:12:45,040
for that. Well,

1790
01:12:45,040 --> 01:12:47,840
>> you know, you never say never.

1791
01:12:47,840 --> 01:12:48,800
>> Well, that's true.

1792
01:12:48,800 --> 01:12:52,000
>> Anyway, any other questions?

1793
01:12:52,000 --> 01:12:52,560
>> Okay.

1794
01:12:52,560 --> 01:12:56,229
>> Do you have any questions?

1795
01:12:56,239 --> 01:12:58,239
» And is it all Is it all right if we keep

1796
01:12:58,239 --> 01:12:59,040
this?

1797
01:12:59,040 --> 01:13:00,719
>> Is it okay for us to keep this?

1798
01:13:00,719 --> 01:13:03,840
>> Can they keep this?

1799
01:13:03,840 --> 01:13:05,679
>> Yeah, you can keep that. I have I have

1800
01:13:05,679 --> 01:13:07,840
another And I have the bigger copy of

1801
01:13:07,840 --> 01:13:10,000
it. Oh, you have the bigger copy of it,

1802
01:13:10,000 --> 01:13:11,840
don't you? I'm going to put the X right

1803
01:13:11,840 --> 01:13:13,840
there on the mark of where the

1804
01:13:13,840 --> 01:13:15,280
concrete's going.

1805
01:13:15,280 --> 01:13:17,360
>> Then I need this. Well, I need one of

1806
01:13:17,360 --> 01:13:18,880
those back. So,

1807
01:13:18,880 --> 01:13:22,400
>> she she can give you this one. I mean,

1808
01:13:22,400 --> 01:13:23,600
the one that was attached to the

1809
01:13:23,600 --> 01:13:25,120
application she could give you back if

1810
01:13:25,120 --> 01:13:26,320
you don't need the big one.

1811
01:13:26,320 --> 01:13:28,400
>> Okay. Well, I I don't think I

1812
01:13:28,400 --> 01:13:30,080
>> The big one is a copy. That's one you

1813
01:13:30,080 --> 01:13:32,640
gave me. And it's a copy. I think

1814
01:13:32,640 --> 01:13:34,719
something else should be

1815
01:13:34,719 --> 01:13:36,960
>> or don't we take it to Jelly and Do you

1816
01:13:36,960 --> 01:13:39,040
have a copier? You can have it. I I know

1817
01:13:39,040 --> 01:13:40,480
where it's at if I have to come back and

1818
01:13:40,480 --> 01:13:40,880
get it.

1819
01:13:40,880 --> 01:13:42,560
>> Well, yeah. Show to Wayne because Wayne

1820
01:13:42,560 --> 01:13:44,000
will have access to it.

1821
01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:46,320
>> Yeah.

1822
01:13:46,320 --> 01:13:48,000
>> But the X marks the spot.

1823
01:13:48,000 --> 01:13:53,350
>> Okay.

1824
01:13:53,360 --> 01:13:54,560
» Yeah. Well, sorry.

1825
01:13:54,560 --> 01:13:57,199
>> Hope remembering your name.

1826
01:13:57,199 --> 01:13:58,560
>> Yeah.

1827
01:13:58,560 --> 01:14:00,239
>> This is our first round of ever doing

1828
01:14:00,239 --> 01:14:01,360
anything like this. So,

1829
01:14:01,360 --> 01:14:02,640
>> well, these are

1830
01:14:02,640 --> 01:14:05,120
>> sending my musual things because they're

1831
01:14:05,120 --> 01:14:07,040
usually really good reasons for why

1832
01:14:07,040 --> 01:14:09,600
cities enact ordinances

1833
01:14:09,600 --> 01:14:11,360
>> and these guys don't have the ability

1834
01:14:11,360 --> 01:14:14,400
not to.

1835
01:14:14,400 --> 01:14:15,520
>> No, I

1836
01:14:15,520 --> 01:14:17,920
>> they've been great. Honestly, I haven't

1837
01:14:17,920 --> 01:14:18,960
had no

1838
01:14:18,960 --> 01:14:20,800
>> We live on Nebo Circle by

1839
01:14:20,800 --> 01:14:22,320
>> Once we learned that that this wasn't

1840
01:14:22,320 --> 01:14:24,000
going to work cuz we actually thought it

1841
01:14:24,000 --> 01:14:25,679
was going to and then we found out,

1842
01:14:25,679 --> 01:14:27,440
well, you have to do these setbacks.

1843
01:14:27,440 --> 01:14:30,159
He's like, "Okay, then we got to figure

1844
01:14:30,159 --> 01:14:31,840
this out if we can." You know,

1845
01:14:31,840 --> 01:14:33,840
>> I will be construction. So, I used to

1846
01:14:33,840 --> 01:14:34,159
work

1847
01:14:34,159 --> 01:14:36,000
>> without without the compensating thing.

1848
01:14:36,000 --> 01:14:36,640
I don't

1849
01:14:36,640 --> 01:14:38,400
>> actually started I wouldn't have gotten

1850
01:14:38,400 --> 01:14:39,440
my recommendation.

1851
01:14:39,440 --> 01:14:41,199
>> I don't work here now for a company

1852
01:14:41,199 --> 01:14:42,080
called Jackson.

1853
01:14:42,080 --> 01:14:44,640
>> Honestly, it's protecting protecting us

1854
01:14:44,640 --> 01:14:45,360
anyway. So,

1855
01:14:45,360 --> 01:14:47,360
>> beautiful.

1856
01:14:47,360 --> 01:14:49,120
>> Yeah. It's protecting your larger home

1857
01:14:49,120 --> 01:14:50,640
and your investment that you kind of

1858
01:14:50,640 --> 01:14:50,880
lose

1859
01:14:50,880 --> 01:14:53,600
>> which is sizable

1860
01:14:53,600 --> 01:14:56,000
>> which you wouldn't want to lose for

1861
01:14:56,000 --> 01:14:57,760
>> a garage or a boat because those are

1862
01:14:57,760 --> 01:14:59,760
both insurable. Well, I guess everything

1863
01:14:59,760 --> 01:15:00,800
else, but you don't want to

1864
01:15:00,800 --> 01:15:02,080
>> You know what? It's funny because I

1865
01:15:02,080 --> 01:15:03,040
mean,

1866
01:15:03,040 --> 01:15:04,640
>> yes.

1867
01:15:04,640 --> 01:15:07,199
>> Yeah, there's big boat and and the

1868
01:15:07,199 --> 01:15:08,080
trailer. It's

1869
01:15:08,080 --> 01:15:09,760
>> We actually own that.

1870
01:15:09,760 --> 01:15:11,280
>> It's allowing us to get a little bit

1871
01:15:11,280 --> 01:15:13,840
more operating room inside of our garage

1872
01:15:13,840 --> 01:15:16,560
cuz it's pretty packed right now.

1873
01:15:16,560 --> 01:15:18,320
>> And I can replace it's not a big third

1874
01:15:18,320 --> 01:15:19,840
world problem,

1875
01:15:19,840 --> 01:15:22,159
>> but

1876
01:15:22,159 --> 01:15:28,390
it makes it nicer for us. I know

1877
01:15:28,400 --> 01:15:30,400
» if you do something.

1878
01:15:30,400 --> 01:15:31,760
>> Appreciate your time. Is that anything

1879
01:15:31,760 --> 01:15:33,760
else on this?

1880
01:15:33,760 --> 01:15:36,320
>> Exactly.

1881
01:15:36,320 --> 01:15:37,679
>> You got it. Will you mark that as

1882
01:15:37,679 --> 01:15:45,910
exhibit A? Just a little.

1883
01:15:45,920 --> 01:15:48,400
He's been down to the house. He had the

1884
01:15:48,400 --> 01:15:49,840
crazy suggestion to build it on the

1885
01:15:49,840 --> 01:15:52,000
other side. And I told him he's crazy.

1886
01:15:52,000 --> 01:15:54,080
It won't work on the other side.

1887
01:15:54,080 --> 01:15:55,520
>> You say there'd be more room on the

1888
01:15:55,520 --> 01:15:56,960
other side, but that slope would be a

1889
01:15:56,960 --> 01:15:57,440
bugger.

1890
01:15:57,440 --> 01:16:00,080
>> That slope would be

1891
01:16:00,080 --> 01:16:02,400
>> Excuse me. It would not I wouldn't even

1892
01:16:02,400 --> 01:16:04,800
>> I didn't I didn't send it to you. I'll

1893
01:16:04,800 --> 01:16:05,760
let you

1894
01:16:05,760 --> 01:16:09,280
>> I was just asking him about it.

1895
01:16:09,280 --> 01:16:11,679
>> What's your number?

1896
01:16:11,679 --> 01:16:16,709
>> Sorry, it took so long. No,

1897
01:16:16,719 --> 01:16:18,800
» 1279.

1898
01:16:18,800 --> 01:16:19,679
And

1899
01:16:19,679 --> 01:16:24,310
>> that's that's very

1900
01:16:24,320 --> 01:16:26,640
» Thank you. Might need your advice.

1901
01:16:26,640 --> 01:16:28,719
>> Um

1902
01:16:28,719 --> 01:16:29,120
good.

1903
01:16:29,120 --> 01:16:29,600
>> Thank you.

1904
01:16:29,600 --> 01:16:32,159
>> Okay.

1905
01:16:32,159 --> 01:16:33,199
>> Thank you very much.

1906
01:16:33,199 --> 01:16:34,400
>> Yeah. Good to meet you. Good luck to

1907
01:16:34,400 --> 01:16:36,000
you.

1908
01:16:36,000 --> 01:16:38,960
>> Have a good day. Good to see you.

1909
01:16:38,960 --> 01:16:43,270
>> Yeah. Good to meet you. Take care.

1910
01:16:43,280 --> 01:16:45,360
» Okay.

1911
01:16:45,360 --> 01:16:47,600
The record should show and I'm assuming

1912
01:16:47,600 --> 01:16:50,320
that the record is still going that the

1913
01:16:50,320 --> 01:16:53,440
Briggs matter has been resolved and then

1914
01:16:53,440 --> 01:16:55,840
I will present a order.

1915
01:16:55,840 --> 01:16:56,320
>> Okay.

1916
01:16:56,320 --> 01:17:02,229
>> For that to the city um

1917
01:17:02,239 --> 01:17:04,080
you've had counsel before that I had

1918
01:17:04,080 --> 01:17:06,560
submitted it to. Do I need to you?

1919
01:17:06,560 --> 01:17:08,320
>> No, you can submit it back to Jody.

1920
01:17:08,320 --> 01:17:10,719
>> Back to Jody just for review.

1921
01:17:10,719 --> 01:17:13,360
>> Okay.

1922
01:17:13,360 --> 01:17:15,040
The next the record should show

1923
01:17:15,040 --> 01:17:17,760
that the next matter is going to be held

1924
01:17:17,760 --> 01:17:20,880
as required by notice that has been set

1925
01:17:20,880 --> 01:17:24,640
for this day. It is an application by

1926
01:17:24,640 --> 01:17:27,199
Aaron Lloyd

1927
01:17:27,199 --> 01:17:32,149
regarding a property at

1928
01:17:32,159 --> 01:17:34,480
course

1929
01:17:34,480 --> 01:17:37,760
at 105 Bridger Circle.

1930
01:17:37,760 --> 01:17:39,600
Um

1931
01:17:39,600 --> 01:17:42,320
and Mr. Mr. Mr. Lloyd is here and is

1932
01:17:42,320 --> 01:17:45,040
present as the application and Mr. Wayne

1933
01:17:45,040 --> 01:17:47,520
Franson is here on behalf of the city.

1934
01:17:47,520 --> 01:17:49,440
Um, you've been here, Mr. Lloyd, so

1935
01:17:49,440 --> 01:17:51,520
you've seen how we've done it before and

1936
01:17:51,520 --> 01:17:54,960
so we will ask Mr. Franson to give us

1937
01:17:54,960 --> 01:17:58,480
kind of the city's position on what's

1938
01:17:58,480 --> 01:18:00,719
happening with the hill and or your

1939
01:18:00,719 --> 01:18:04,000
property. Can either one of you,

1940
01:18:04,000 --> 01:18:06,800
since the order that I will be drafting

1941
01:18:06,800 --> 01:18:08,880
has to be recorded or will be end up

1942
01:18:08,880 --> 01:18:11,520
being recorded, do you know the lot

1943
01:18:11,520 --> 01:18:13,840
number and what subdivision that your

1944
01:18:13,840 --> 01:18:17,440
property is besides its um

1945
01:18:17,440 --> 01:18:18,239
address?

1946
01:18:18,239 --> 01:18:20,640
>> It's lot 53.

1947
01:18:20,640 --> 01:18:22,400
I don't know the name of the subdivision

1948
01:18:22,400 --> 01:18:23,280
up here.

1949
01:18:23,280 --> 01:18:24,239
>> Do you know the plant?

1950
01:18:24,239 --> 01:18:26,560
>> Um I don't know the plant name either.

1951
01:18:26,560 --> 01:18:28,800
It's a Thousand Oaks. When will you give

1952
01:18:28,800 --> 01:18:30,480
me will you give me the law or the legal

1953
01:18:30,480 --> 01:18:32,320
descriptions for both of the properties?

1954
01:18:32,320 --> 01:18:34,560
>> Okay.

1955
01:18:34,560 --> 01:18:36,640
>> As per the serial number that legal

1956
01:18:36,640 --> 01:18:38,000
description.

1957
01:18:38,000 --> 01:18:40,320
>> Yes. The parcel number that I'll have.

1958
01:18:40,320 --> 01:18:43,280
Yeah. Parcel number or the usually it's

1959
01:18:43,280 --> 01:18:44,800
lot five of a certain certain

1960
01:18:44,800 --> 01:18:46,880
subdivision with a parcel number.

1961
01:18:46,880 --> 01:18:56,229
>> Okay.

1962
01:18:56,239 --> 01:18:58,400
And the record should reflect as I have

1963
01:18:58,400 --> 01:19:01,120
indicated that I have driven by the

1964
01:19:01,120 --> 01:19:03,760
property this morning. I was not with

1965
01:19:03,760 --> 01:19:06,320
anyone else but just visually went to

1966
01:19:06,320 --> 01:19:09,120
see it so that I was more familiar with

1967
01:19:09,120 --> 01:19:13,110
the sighting of the property.

1968
01:19:13,120 --> 01:19:16,159
Okay, Mr. Francen.

1969
01:19:16,159 --> 01:19:20,640
Okay, a little bit of background to uh

1970
01:19:20,640 --> 01:19:23,360
help you put this in perspective, too.

1971
01:19:23,360 --> 01:19:28,400
Um, when Mr. Lloyd built his home, there

1972
01:19:28,400 --> 01:19:30,080
were a number of issues that he was

1973
01:19:30,080 --> 01:19:34,719
faced with. Uh, one was the slope of his

1974
01:19:34,719 --> 01:19:37,360
driveway.

1975
01:19:37,360 --> 01:19:41,280
And in addition to the two issues that

1976
01:19:41,280 --> 01:19:45,440
uh um he's requesting a variance on

1977
01:19:45,440 --> 01:19:50,000
uh the the setback for the driveway from

1978
01:19:50,000 --> 01:19:55,440
the property line and the um sizing of

1979
01:19:55,440 --> 01:19:59,040
the water culvert that runs under the

1980
01:19:59,040 --> 01:20:01,120
driveway.

1981
01:20:01,120 --> 01:20:02,719
Um,

1982
01:20:02,719 --> 01:20:06,640
when it came time for him to get, and

1983
01:20:06,640 --> 01:20:08,880
you can correct me when if I mispake

1984
01:20:08,880 --> 01:20:12,480
here, the time to get the the occupancy

1985
01:20:12,480 --> 01:20:14,080
permit,

1986
01:20:14,080 --> 01:20:17,040
uh, a check of the driveway showed that

1987
01:20:17,040 --> 01:20:21,679
we exceeded the the slope limit per our

1988
01:20:21,679 --> 01:20:26,719
city ordinance. Our ordinance allows the

1989
01:20:26,719 --> 01:20:28,560
city council

1990
01:20:28,560 --> 01:20:34,480
to give a variance on the driveway slope

1991
01:20:34,480 --> 01:20:37,920
and he went to the city council and they

1992
01:20:37,920 --> 01:20:41,360
gave a variance to him

1993
01:20:41,360 --> 01:20:43,199
>> on the driveway slope.

1994
01:20:43,199 --> 01:20:47,440
>> So the variance So the slope exceeds

1995
01:20:47,440 --> 01:20:49,280
>> 15%.

1996
01:20:49,280 --> 01:20:52,400
>> So did he change the slope? Don't. They

1997
01:20:52,400 --> 01:20:55,280
gave him a variance to leave the slope

1998
01:20:55,280 --> 01:20:58,800
as it was with there was a condition

1999
01:20:58,800 --> 01:21:02,960
there that he do some back stopping

2000
01:21:02,960 --> 01:21:05,760
along portions of the driveway.

2001
01:21:05,760 --> 01:21:09,040
Um putting mini

2002
01:21:09,040 --> 01:21:10,880
what do we call those?

2003
01:21:10,880 --> 01:21:12,800
>> Those are the barriers that I saw at the

2004
01:21:12,800 --> 01:21:13,840
barriers.

2005
01:21:13,840 --> 01:21:16,080
>> They're directly and

2006
01:21:16,080 --> 01:21:19,360
>> parallel to the entrance to the garages.

2007
01:21:19,360 --> 01:21:20,480
They're back,

2008
01:21:20,480 --> 01:21:22,640
>> but but the variance was only for the

2009
01:21:22,640 --> 01:21:25,520
top of the driveway between because we

2010
01:21:25,520 --> 01:21:28,320
have a lower garage and an upper garage.

2011
01:21:28,320 --> 01:21:30,400
>> The variance was only to the upper

2012
01:21:30,400 --> 01:21:31,120
section.

2013
01:21:31,120 --> 01:21:33,360
>> Yeah, cuz he he complied on the bottom

2014
01:21:33,360 --> 01:21:33,600
one,

2015
01:21:33,600 --> 01:21:37,199
>> but the back I only saw one driveway or

2016
01:21:37,199 --> 01:21:39,199
>> there's only one driveway, but as you go

2017
01:21:39,199 --> 01:21:41,440
up, you see one garage from the front,

2018
01:21:41,440 --> 01:21:43,120
but if you keep going, there's a garage

2019
01:21:43,120 --> 01:21:45,199
on the side stacked on top of each

2020
01:21:45,199 --> 01:21:46,080
other.

2021
01:21:46,080 --> 01:21:48,320
>> Okay. So, I didn't see that. So, but the

2022
01:21:48,320 --> 01:21:51,920
extension into the setback I is what I

2023
01:21:51,920 --> 01:21:55,199
saw with where it's been graded up and

2024
01:21:55,199 --> 01:21:57,280
um grades been changed and increased

2025
01:21:57,280 --> 01:21:59,920
with the the retaining wall system

2026
01:21:59,920 --> 01:22:03,760
>> that was required by the city council

2027
01:22:03,760 --> 01:22:04,560
and the varian

2028
01:22:04,560 --> 01:22:07,040
>> as part of this as part of the slope.

2029
01:22:07,040 --> 01:22:08,159
>> Yes.

2030
01:22:08,159 --> 01:22:12,000
>> Yep. But the variance was only granted

2031
01:22:12,000 --> 01:22:14,560
if the lower half of the garage or lower

2032
01:22:14,560 --> 01:22:16,480
half of the driveway could meet

2033
01:22:16,480 --> 01:22:21,280
>> could comply so that fire like in the in

2034
01:22:21,280 --> 01:22:23,600
the case of an ambulance it could get up

2035
01:22:23,600 --> 01:22:26,159
to the lower garage in the case of

2036
01:22:26,159 --> 01:22:29,280
emergency. Okay. So, as I understand it,

2037
01:22:29,280 --> 01:22:31,440
you're saying from your street level,

2038
01:22:31,440 --> 01:22:34,560
the driveway going up to where you turn

2039
01:22:34,560 --> 01:22:37,440
on on that part where you have the

2040
01:22:37,440 --> 01:22:42,159
retaining wall back in um

2041
01:22:42,159 --> 01:22:44,880
that that does that complies and that's

2042
01:22:44,880 --> 01:22:47,679
under 15% or that meets the 15%.

2043
01:22:47,679 --> 01:22:49,440
>> The bottom half does. Yes.

2044
01:22:49,440 --> 01:22:52,639
>> From the that from the most most north

2045
01:22:52,639 --> 01:22:54,080
garage

2046
01:22:54,080 --> 01:22:55,120
>> closest to the street.

2047
01:22:55,120 --> 01:22:57,520
>> Yep. Correct. and your variance only

2048
01:22:57,520 --> 01:22:59,120
dealt with the back portion

2049
01:22:59,120 --> 01:23:00,800
>> correct that.

2050
01:23:00,800 --> 01:23:03,840
>> So I say that as background because it

2051
01:23:03,840 --> 01:23:06,800
affects his variance now that he's

2052
01:23:06,800 --> 01:23:09,520
requesting for the setback from the

2053
01:23:09,520 --> 01:23:10,719
property line.

2054
01:23:10,719 --> 01:23:13,199
>> So to do that you had to go elongate the

2055
01:23:13,199 --> 01:23:14,560
driveway to get around.

2056
01:23:14,560 --> 01:23:15,760
>> In that right

2057
01:23:15,760 --> 01:23:18,000
>> that's exactly right. when we we tried

2058
01:23:18,000 --> 01:23:20,880
to hit the less than 15% on the lower

2059
01:23:20,880 --> 01:23:24,880
half and could not do it without going

2060
01:23:24,880 --> 01:23:28,000
into that offset

2061
01:23:28,000 --> 01:23:31,040
area that wasn't wasn't allowed. So to

2062
01:23:31,040 --> 01:23:34,560
get the lower half under 15% we had to

2063
01:23:34,560 --> 01:23:40,229
elongate the driveway into that zone.

2064
01:23:40,239 --> 01:23:43,920
» So that's that's what was done. It was

2065
01:23:43,920 --> 01:23:47,120
done without city approval, but

2066
01:23:47,120 --> 01:23:50,000
>> the whole thing was constructed as is.

2067
01:23:50,000 --> 01:23:53,199
Now, when you caught it, was the lower

2068
01:23:53,199 --> 01:23:55,440
driveway already constructed?

2069
01:23:55,440 --> 01:23:55,760
>> Yes.

2070
01:23:55,760 --> 01:23:57,040
>> No.

2071
01:23:57,040 --> 01:23:59,040
>> When when the kind when the time came

2072
01:23:59,040 --> 01:24:01,040
for your

2073
01:24:01,040 --> 01:24:02,159
occupancy permit?

2074
01:24:02,159 --> 01:24:04,239
>> Yeah. And it when you caught it, I mean

2075
01:24:04,239 --> 01:24:07,199
>> when I caught it was still road base,

2076
01:24:07,199 --> 01:24:08,719
but then because of the winter, I

2077
01:24:08,719 --> 01:24:10,639
hurried and asphalt it so that it could

2078
01:24:10,639 --> 01:24:14,000
be cleared cuz it couldn't be cleared as

2079
01:24:14,000 --> 01:24:16,400
it was.

2080
01:24:16,400 --> 01:24:19,360
>> So I did asphalt it without permission.

2081
01:24:19,360 --> 01:24:19,840
>> Okay.

2082
01:24:19,840 --> 01:24:21,199
>> Without the approval. No.

2083
01:24:21,199 --> 01:24:23,440
>> So without the grades being approved.

2084
01:24:23,440 --> 01:24:25,360
>> Yeah.

2085
01:24:25,360 --> 01:24:28,800
>> Okay. The grade

2086
01:24:28,800 --> 01:24:32,159
was reviewed before it was asphalted but

2087
01:24:32,159 --> 01:24:35,600
not approved because of this issue with

2088
01:24:35,600 --> 01:24:41,270
the two angles. Yes.

2089
01:24:41,280 --> 01:24:43,360
» So

2090
01:24:43,360 --> 01:24:46,239
um he had to extend the driveway out.

2091
01:24:46,239 --> 01:24:50,159
>> So did you So did you recontour then?

2092
01:24:50,159 --> 01:24:53,120
>> I recontoured before the asphalt. So I

2093
01:24:53,120 --> 01:24:56,080
met with the city twice. Chris on site.

2094
01:24:56,080 --> 01:24:58,560
I think it was Chris.

2095
01:24:58,560 --> 01:25:01,679
And because he was tr we the city's been

2096
01:25:01,679 --> 01:25:04,000
very he's the city's been so good to

2097
01:25:04,000 --> 01:25:06,159
work with. And so Chris came out and

2098
01:25:06,159 --> 01:25:08,639
said, "Let me see what I can do to help

2099
01:25:08,639 --> 01:25:11,760
you get within your 15%."

2100
01:25:11,760 --> 01:25:13,920
And looking at it, reviewing it with me,

2101
01:25:13,920 --> 01:25:16,000
he's like, "There's nothing you can do

2102
01:25:16,000 --> 01:25:19,040
to hit your 15% unless you elongate the

2103
01:25:19,040 --> 01:25:25,110
driveway.

2104
01:25:25,120 --> 01:25:26,560
Okay.

2105
01:25:26,560 --> 01:25:29,520
>> So, he took the driveway further to the

2106
01:25:29,520 --> 01:25:32,400
left. I just use that instead of north,

2107
01:25:32,400 --> 01:25:34,719
south, east, west. As you're facing the

2108
01:25:34,719 --> 01:25:35,040
house,

2109
01:25:35,040 --> 01:25:36,080
>> the west.

2110
01:25:36,080 --> 01:25:37,360
>> Okay.

2111
01:25:37,360 --> 01:25:40,000
>> No, it's to the east.

2112
01:25:40,000 --> 01:25:42,960
>> Closer. I went further to the east.

2113
01:25:42,960 --> 01:25:45,520
>> Mine turned around. Maybe I am turned

2114
01:25:45,520 --> 01:25:46,560
facing.

2115
01:25:46,560 --> 01:25:48,639
>> But it is to the left if you're looking

2116
01:25:48,639 --> 01:25:52,080
from the street. It's to the west. to

2117
01:25:52,080 --> 01:25:53,199
the left.

2118
01:25:53,199 --> 01:25:54,719
>> East to the left.

2119
01:25:54,719 --> 01:25:57,440
>> That's that's the that's the side that

2120
01:25:57,440 --> 01:25:59,040
is of issue. Okay.

2121
01:25:59,040 --> 01:26:01,920
>> The normal setback is 20 ft a driveway

2122
01:26:01,920 --> 01:26:03,120
from the property line

2123
01:26:03,120 --> 01:26:06,639
>> and it goes how far in?

2124
01:26:06,639 --> 01:26:09,199
>> It goes to like 11 ft

2125
01:26:09,199 --> 01:26:12,800
>> 10 ft or so from the property line.

2126
01:26:12,800 --> 01:26:16,800
>> Yep. Because as I saw the the driveway

2127
01:26:16,800 --> 01:26:18,719
going up, there's a big retaining wall

2128
01:26:18,719 --> 01:26:21,920
where I mean where you build up the um

2129
01:26:21,920 --> 01:26:24,480
the side and I assume the property line

2130
01:26:24,480 --> 01:26:27,199
is somewhere on the other side of that

2131
01:26:27,199 --> 01:26:28,560
closer to the other house.

2132
01:26:28,560 --> 01:26:30,800
>> Yeah, it's way off of that cuz the lot

2133
01:26:30,800 --> 01:26:32,320
comes in at an angle.

2134
01:26:32,320 --> 01:26:32,800
>> Okay.

2135
01:26:32,800 --> 01:26:34,800
>> So where that retaining wall is and then

2136
01:26:34,800 --> 01:26:37,199
it starts to curve.

2137
01:26:37,199 --> 01:26:39,120
It's I can show you on this if you'd

2138
01:26:39,120 --> 01:26:39,440
like.

2139
01:26:39,440 --> 01:26:41,679
>> Okay. Yeah, that would be this looks

2140
01:26:41,679 --> 01:26:45,199
like a relatively what I'm looking at is

2141
01:26:45,199 --> 01:26:50,480
the um site plan that was marked.

2142
01:26:50,480 --> 01:26:52,080
>> Okay, that's the proposed

2143
01:26:52,080 --> 01:26:53,760
>> this was the proposed.

2144
01:26:53,760 --> 01:26:56,560
>> So the retaining walls that you saw were

2145
01:26:56,560 --> 01:26:59,280
right there. So this comes in at an

2146
01:26:59,280 --> 01:27:00,800
angle.

2147
01:27:00,800 --> 01:27:05,280
So this is Wait, let me turn it how

2148
01:27:05,280 --> 01:27:07,520
Okay, here's the house.

2149
01:27:07,520 --> 01:27:08,159
Okay.

2150
01:27:08,159 --> 01:27:10,000
>> Yeah. Okay.

2151
01:27:10,000 --> 01:27:12,560
And so which way is north?

2152
01:27:12,560 --> 01:27:13,199
>> This way.

2153
01:27:13,199 --> 01:27:16,470
>> Okay.

2154
01:27:16,480 --> 01:27:18,639
So when I was talking west here,

2155
01:27:18,639 --> 01:27:19,760
this is the retaining wall.

2156
01:27:19,760 --> 01:27:20,880
>> Retaining wall. Okay. I thought you were

2157
01:27:20,880 --> 01:27:22,000
talking those retaining walls.

2158
01:27:22,000 --> 01:27:23,679
>> No, I'm talking about this retaining

2159
01:27:23,679 --> 01:27:25,679
wall that is very Yes.

2160
01:27:25,679 --> 01:27:27,040
>> That stands out.

2161
01:27:27,040 --> 01:27:29,520
>> Yeah. This is This has your 20 ft

2162
01:27:29,520 --> 01:27:31,840
needed.

2163
01:27:31,840 --> 01:27:34,960
It's this corner right here that we

2164
01:27:34,960 --> 01:27:38,880
changed from. Here's the original

2165
01:27:38,880 --> 01:27:44,470
that it came. We had our 20 ft here.

2166
01:27:44,480 --> 01:27:47,120
» So from this point to that point, but

2167
01:27:47,120 --> 01:27:49,040
now we've elongated the bottom of the

2168
01:27:49,040 --> 01:27:52,239
driveway that way to hit our 20 our less

2169
01:27:52,239 --> 01:27:53,920
than 15% here.

2170
01:27:53,920 --> 01:27:56,960
>> Okay. That elongated. I gotten you. And

2171
01:27:56,960 --> 01:27:58,560
this one doesn't show, but there's a

2172
01:27:58,560 --> 01:28:00,639
Didn't I see a trailer pad with a

2173
01:28:00,639 --> 01:28:01,520
trailer back?

2174
01:28:01,520 --> 01:28:02,080
>> Yeah. Little

2175
01:28:02,080 --> 01:28:03,920
>> behind the utility trailer up here.

2176
01:28:03,920 --> 01:28:04,239
>> Yeah.

2177
01:28:04,239 --> 01:28:04,719
>> Yep.

2178
01:28:04,719 --> 01:28:07,840
>> Okay. But you're saying there's an Will

2179
01:28:07,840 --> 01:28:10,159
you show me on the site plan where the

2180
01:28:10,159 --> 01:28:11,199
second

2181
01:28:11,199 --> 01:28:11,679
>> Yes.

2182
01:28:11,679 --> 01:28:13,120
>> one is.

2183
01:28:13,120 --> 01:28:15,679
>> So this is their garages are stacked on

2184
01:28:15,679 --> 01:28:17,280
top of each other. So the lower garage

2185
01:28:17,280 --> 01:28:20,080
you enter from down here

2186
01:28:20,080 --> 01:28:21,679
and then the upper garage you keep

2187
01:28:21,679 --> 01:28:23,840
driving and you enter on top on the side

2188
01:28:23,840 --> 01:28:24,480
here.

2189
01:28:24,480 --> 01:28:25,679
>> Okay. I didn't.

2190
01:28:25,679 --> 01:28:28,480
>> So the variance that the city council

2191
01:28:28,480 --> 01:28:31,920
gave me was from here to here that

2192
01:28:31,920 --> 01:28:33,840
because we just don't have the distance

2193
01:28:33,840 --> 01:28:37,120
to get the grade needed. So the variance

2194
01:28:37,120 --> 01:28:42,960
was issued for that area and we put the guard rails up for this curve that

2195
01:28:42,960 --> 01:28:43,920
they were concerned about.

2196
01:28:43,920 --> 01:28:49,360
>> So that on this plan the original that ch this is the guardrail you put

2197
01:28:49,360 --> 01:28:50,560
up, isn't it? Yep.

2198
01:28:50,560 --> 01:28:52,400
>> So this is the guard rail. So this is

2199
01:28:52,400 --> 01:28:55,679
the portion where

2200
01:28:55,679 --> 01:28:58,320
>> yeah from here down because they could

2201
01:28:58,320 --> 01:29:00,960
drive an ambulance up and into this

2202
01:29:00,960 --> 01:29:03,040
lower section and then go up the stairs

2203
01:29:03,040 --> 01:29:03,920
to the front door

2204
01:29:03,920 --> 01:29:05,920
>> and that's where the bottom garage is.

2205
01:29:05,920 --> 01:29:07,920
>> And your variance was the slope right

2206
01:29:07,920 --> 01:29:08,560
through there.

2207
01:29:08,560 --> 01:29:11,360
>> Yep. From Yeah. that corner.

2208
01:29:11,360 --> 01:29:14,320
>> Okay. And then you get great

2209
01:29:14,320 --> 01:29:15,679
>> and then here you're fine again. It's

2210
01:29:15,679 --> 01:29:18,400
just from literally right there to right

2211
01:29:18,400 --> 01:29:19,920
there.

2212
01:29:19,920 --> 01:29:22,400
And even with the elongation, but you

2213
01:29:22,400 --> 01:29:23,840
were given that variance and then the

2214
01:29:23,840 --> 01:29:25,280
elongation just made

2215
01:29:25,280 --> 01:29:28,159
>> the elongation helped down here, but it

2216
01:29:28,159 --> 01:29:31,120
didn't help here cuz here's your pinch.

2217
01:29:31,120 --> 01:29:33,440
to get your 15% here. It actually had to

2218
01:29:33,440 --> 01:29:35,600
make this steeper

2219
01:29:35,600 --> 01:29:37,440
because I couldn't elongate this whole

2220
01:29:37,440 --> 01:29:50,550
thing out

2221
01:29:50,560 --> 01:29:54,870
question. Um,

2222
01:29:54,880 --> 01:29:59,760
obviously Mr. Lloyd, you're you're

2223
01:29:59,760 --> 01:30:01,280
an inexperienced builder.

2224
01:30:01,280 --> 01:30:02,560
>> Yeah.

2225
01:30:02,560 --> 01:30:04,239
>> What happened with your grades being off

2226
01:30:04,239 --> 01:30:06,320
so far?

2227
01:30:06,320 --> 01:30:09,120
>> Um I sat down with this city originally

2228
01:30:09,120 --> 01:30:10,960
and we thought we were all concerned

2229
01:30:10,960 --> 01:30:14,320
about it. Um and we thought we barely

2230
01:30:14,320 --> 01:30:20,159
had the room to hit the needed 15%.

2231
01:30:20,159 --> 01:30:22,639
Um I had two different meetings in here

2232
01:30:22,639 --> 01:30:25,120
with

2233
01:30:25,120 --> 01:30:29,280
>> Corbett. Corbett and he we both agreed

2234
01:30:29,280 --> 01:30:31,520
that it was super close, but we thought

2235
01:30:31,520 --> 01:30:34,880
we could do it. And then the house was

2236
01:30:34,880 --> 01:30:37,920
placed as drawn and it just didn't work

2237
01:30:37,920 --> 01:30:42,000
out like the math and the drawing said

2238
01:30:42,000 --> 01:30:43,840
it could.

2239
01:30:43,840 --> 01:30:46,159
So, hindsight, I wish we would have

2240
01:30:46,159 --> 01:30:50,000
moved the house down, but it's super

2241
01:30:50,000 --> 01:30:52,880
tricky because your narrowest portion is

2242
01:30:52,880 --> 01:30:55,600
at the front of the lot where your

2243
01:30:55,600 --> 01:30:57,360
driveway has to go.

2244
01:30:57,360 --> 01:30:59,760
>> So, I don't know if there's any way cuz

2245
01:30:59,760 --> 01:31:01,199
I've thought this through in my head a

2246
01:31:01,199 --> 01:31:02,800
thousand times. What if I pulled the

2247
01:31:02,800 --> 01:31:04,880
house back? What if I move the house

2248
01:31:04,880 --> 01:31:07,040
forward? But the problem is it's the

2249
01:31:07,040 --> 01:31:08,560
grade at the front. So, I don't know

2250
01:31:08,560 --> 01:31:11,360
that in any case it actually fixed it

2251
01:31:11,360 --> 01:31:15,120
cuz it you I don't know how you could

2252
01:31:15,120 --> 01:31:18,880
have done it and hit the the 15% but

2253
01:31:18,880 --> 01:31:19,520
that's

2254
01:31:19,520 --> 01:31:22,880
>> other than putting the house bearing it

2255
01:31:22,880 --> 01:31:25,600
>> at the at the very bottom. I guess you

2256
01:31:25,600 --> 01:31:27,280
could would have been the only

2257
01:31:27,280 --> 01:31:29,920
>> taking it straight in but then you've

2258
01:31:29,920 --> 01:31:32,560
got that other part right there. So, the

2259
01:31:32,560 --> 01:31:34,880
>> it's super steep at the front. So, I

2260
01:31:34,880 --> 01:31:38,560
don't know. And it gets I I don't It

2261
01:31:38,560 --> 01:31:40,400
doesn't It flattens off a little bit at

2262
01:31:40,400 --> 01:31:44,080
the back, but not much.

2263
01:31:44,080 --> 01:31:45,760
It's just a really steep lot that's

2264
01:31:45,760 --> 01:31:48,080
narrow.

2265
01:31:48,080 --> 01:31:50,560
And the math said it worked originally

2266
01:31:50,560 --> 01:31:53,199
and it didn't.

2267
01:31:53,199 --> 01:31:55,760
It was we thought it, you know, from

2268
01:31:55,760 --> 01:31:58,719
that point on.

2269
01:31:58,719 --> 01:32:05,750
>> Um

2270
01:32:05,760 --> 01:32:11,280
in the comparison there are these dots.

2271
01:32:11,280 --> 01:32:12,560
I'm assuming that they're dealing with

2272
01:32:12,560 --> 01:32:14,800
the retaining wells.

2273
01:32:14,800 --> 01:32:16,639
>> Yes.

2274
01:32:16,639 --> 01:32:18,400
>> There those didn't change. Is that

2275
01:32:18,400 --> 01:32:18,800
right?

2276
01:32:18,800 --> 01:32:20,000
>> Correct. That did not change.

2277
01:32:20,000 --> 01:32:20,960
>> That did not change.

2278
01:32:20,960 --> 01:32:24,239
>> No. So in comparing the original that

2279
01:32:24,239 --> 01:32:27,280
you were permitted with with what the

2280
01:32:27,280 --> 01:32:29,199
asbuilt

2281
01:32:29,199 --> 01:32:30,880
um

2282
01:32:30,880 --> 01:32:34,560
the only difference then is that as

2283
01:32:34,560 --> 01:32:36,159
was dealing with this steepness in the

2284
01:32:36,159 --> 01:32:38,400
variation right in this in the corner

2285
01:32:38,400 --> 01:32:41,199
right by that would be the north

2286
01:32:41,199 --> 01:32:43,520
west side of your house.

2287
01:32:43,520 --> 01:32:46,400
>> Yep.

2288
01:32:46,400 --> 01:32:46,560
It

2289
01:32:46,560 --> 01:32:48,320
>> was just that part. It's

2290
01:32:48,320 --> 01:32:55,189
>> that part. Okay.

2291
01:32:55,199 --> 01:32:57,600
But

2292
01:32:57,600 --> 01:33:00,719
>> if we wouldn't have elongated it here,

2293
01:33:00,719 --> 01:33:03,120
then we wouldn't have hit our 15% here

2294
01:33:03,120 --> 01:33:04,560
either because you didn't have enough

2295
01:33:04,560 --> 01:33:07,040
room.

2296
01:33:07,040 --> 01:33:11,199
>> Well, even if you um the lot the lot is

2297
01:33:11,199 --> 01:33:15,280
not a traditional well a rectangle. It's

2298
01:33:15,280 --> 01:33:15,920
>> correct.

2299
01:33:15,920 --> 01:33:16,639
>> A little bit

2300
01:33:16,639 --> 01:33:18,480
>> pie shaped a little bit of a pie because

2301
01:33:18,480 --> 01:33:20,960
it's a The circle

2302
01:33:20,960 --> 01:33:23,199
>> is is a little bit wider

2303
01:33:23,199 --> 01:33:25,679
>> in the back, but not a great deal. What?

2304
01:33:25,679 --> 01:33:28,080
Maybe 10 ft difference or less.

2305
01:33:28,080 --> 01:33:29,600
>> Well, with the ankle, I actually think

2306
01:33:29,600 --> 01:33:31,280
it's like 50 ft or

2307
01:33:31,280 --> 01:33:32,880
>> No, I mean from here to here.

2308
01:33:32,880 --> 01:33:33,360
>> Oh,

2309
01:33:33,360 --> 01:33:35,120
>> that if you can that

2310
01:33:35,120 --> 01:33:37,360
>> Yeah, that's 20 ft from there to there.

2311
01:33:37,360 --> 01:33:39,520
So, yeah, maybe

2312
01:33:39,520 --> 01:33:42,000
15 10 to 15t.

2313
01:33:42,000 --> 01:33:43,520
>> Yeah. So, it's it's

2314
01:33:43,520 --> 01:33:48,400
>> in like the extreme end maybe 20. And

2315
01:33:48,400 --> 01:33:52,719
>> how how how wide is your lot? Okay. Can

2316
01:33:52,719 --> 01:33:55,760
you tell? I can

2317
01:33:55,760 --> 01:33:58,480
>> see if you guys can see it.

2318
01:33:58,480 --> 01:33:59,840
>> Your eyes may be better.

2319
01:33:59,840 --> 01:34:03,669
>> 124 ft.96.

2320
01:34:03,679 --> 01:34:07,040
» Yep. And it's 139 ft at the back.

2321
01:34:07,040 --> 01:34:08,560
>> Okay. So, it picks up 50.

2322
01:34:08,560 --> 01:34:09,040
>> Yep.

2323
01:34:09,040 --> 01:34:12,400
>> In width. It's getting there. One side

2324
01:34:12,400 --> 01:34:13,920
or the other. And the other side looks

2325
01:34:13,920 --> 01:34:15,920
like it

2326
01:34:15,920 --> 01:34:17,920
is just as steep or was

2327
01:34:17,920 --> 01:34:21,760
>> Yeah, the whole lot is just super steep.

2328
01:34:21,760 --> 01:34:23,840
>> Now are these changes in the grade that

2329
01:34:23,840 --> 01:34:26,400
change your these are the afterbuilt

2330
01:34:26,400 --> 01:34:28,480
>> not the original grades, right?

2331
01:34:28,480 --> 01:34:29,920
>> This is okay.

2332
01:34:29,920 --> 01:34:32,960
>> Yep. The original grades are pretty I

2333
01:34:32,960 --> 01:34:34,800
mean through here this is all we haven't

2334
01:34:34,800 --> 01:34:36,960
touched any of this.

2335
01:34:36,960 --> 01:34:40,000
had to be brought up. This is more

2336
01:34:40,000 --> 01:34:43,040
flat originally, but had to be built up

2337
01:34:43,040 --> 01:34:46,320
like 7 8 ft there for the driveway. But

2338
01:34:46,320 --> 01:34:48,400
this is stayed all natural. That's the

2339
01:34:48,400 --> 01:34:49,360
existing trees

2340
01:34:49,360 --> 01:34:51,679
>> cuz it looks like it was maybe 10 ft up

2341
01:34:51,679 --> 01:34:57,840
above. I mean, your proper at the where that wall ends.

2342
01:34:57,840 --> 01:35:00,000
>> It looks like it's up maybe

2343
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:02,880
>> it's two layers of four. So 8 ft high.

2344
01:35:02,880 --> 01:35:05,520
>> 8 ft. 8 ft high. That sits at

2345
01:35:05,520 --> 01:35:06,000
>> correct.

2346
01:35:06,000 --> 01:35:08,000
>> Okay.

2347
01:35:08,000 --> 01:35:11,199
Um I

2348
01:35:11,199 --> 01:35:13,360
Okay, tell me about the covert.

2349
01:35:13,360 --> 01:35:17,120
>> Okay, so the covert we have utility

2350
01:35:17,120 --> 01:35:19,440
running right through right in the

2351
01:35:19,440 --> 01:35:23,120
middle of the ditch down here is for the

2352
01:35:23,120 --> 01:35:26,080
um fiber cable. It's actually in the

2353
01:35:26,080 --> 01:35:27,760
ditch. Um

2354
01:35:27,760 --> 01:35:29,600
>> the ditch the ditch right in front of

2355
01:35:29,600 --> 01:35:32,239
your property

2356
01:35:32,239 --> 01:35:33,280
that I saw.

2357
01:35:33,280 --> 01:35:34,080
>> Correct. It's

2358
01:35:34,080 --> 01:35:37,199
>> is not ditched. It was had stuff in it,

2359
01:35:37,199 --> 01:35:42,000
but it was more of a ditch to the east.

2360
01:35:42,000 --> 01:35:44,320
>> Yeah. There's a section here, but this

2361
01:35:44,320 --> 01:35:46,239
is cover from like right here to right

2362
01:35:46,239 --> 01:35:46,960
here.

2363
01:35:46,960 --> 01:35:47,199
>> Okay.

2364
01:35:47,199 --> 01:35:48,880
>> And then it turns into a ditch the rest

2365
01:35:48,880 --> 01:35:49,120
of

2366
01:35:49,120 --> 01:35:51,120
>> it. Goes back into some of it under

2367
01:35:51,120 --> 01:35:51,760
snow.

2368
01:35:51,760 --> 01:35:53,520
>> Correct. And this section right over

2369
01:35:53,520 --> 01:35:56,239
here, there's a box for the fiber cable

2370
01:35:56,239 --> 01:35:58,480
that runs into the culde-sac that's

2371
01:35:58,480 --> 01:36:00,239
super shallow.

2372
01:36:00,239 --> 01:36:02,000
So when we were going to place that

2373
01:36:02,000 --> 01:36:04,639
covert, we were right over top of that

2374
01:36:04,639 --> 01:36:09,760
fiber line. And so me being I I mean I

2375
01:36:09,760 --> 01:36:11,440
should have stopped at that point,

2376
01:36:11,440 --> 01:36:15,360
right? But um and and I I take

2377
01:36:15,360 --> 01:36:17,199
accountability and if I have to rip it

2378
01:36:17,199 --> 01:36:20,239
out, it's it's on me. But at the same

2379
01:36:20,239 --> 01:36:22,080
time, I don't I don't want to cut into

2380
01:36:22,080 --> 01:36:25,120
that fiber utility because I have to pay

2381
01:36:25,120 --> 01:36:28,320
for it if I cut into it, right? because

2382
01:36:28,320 --> 01:36:29,760
Blue Stake has been out there and marked

2383
01:36:29,760 --> 01:36:32,400
it and is right where I'm digging. And

2384
01:36:32,400 --> 01:36:34,000
so

2385
01:36:34,000 --> 01:36:36,239
this fiber line runs underneath there

2386
01:36:36,239 --> 01:36:38,960
and I'm at the back of the culde-sac and

2387
01:36:38,960 --> 01:36:40,560
I'm doing the math. I'm like, "Oh, I can

2388
01:36:40,560 --> 01:36:43,840
get a 12 in."

2389
01:36:43,840 --> 01:36:45,119
>> Yeah, but you said you were going to put

2390
01:36:45,119 --> 01:36:46,000
a 15 in.

2391
01:36:46,000 --> 01:36:48,639
>> Correct. So, I had to go 3 in smaller in

2392
01:36:48,639 --> 01:36:50,400
order to not hit that fiber line.

2393
01:36:50,400 --> 01:36:52,000
>> Except my understanding is you went from

2394
01:36:52,000 --> 01:36:55,920
a 15 to a 10, not a 12. We went out and

2395
01:36:55,920 --> 01:36:58,400
measured it and he said it was a 10.

2396
01:36:58,400 --> 01:37:01,040
>> It is a 10 and 12 on the outside, 10 on

2397
01:37:01,040 --> 01:37:01,600
the inside.

2398
01:37:01,600 --> 01:37:03,760
>> Okay, let me let me just follow up.

2399
01:37:03,760 --> 01:37:09,520
Wayne is my from reading the culvert was

2400
01:37:09,520 --> 01:37:13,040
not only not the 15, but it was not the

2401
01:37:13,040 --> 01:37:15,840
minimum 12 that would be required.

2402
01:37:15,840 --> 01:37:17,920
>> That's what Ted indicated.

2403
01:37:17,920 --> 01:37:20,159
>> Is that that's my understanding? Okay.

2404
01:37:20,159 --> 01:37:24,560
We had drawn a 15 originally.

2405
01:37:24,560 --> 01:37:27,360
The the code does allow us to have a 12.

2406
01:37:27,360 --> 01:37:28,800
>> Okay. And you got 10.

2407
01:37:28,800 --> 01:37:31,679
>> And we had we I did a 10.

2408
01:37:31,679 --> 01:37:33,199
>> Yep.

2409
01:37:33,199 --> 01:37:34,719
>> And you're saying you did the 10 to

2410
01:37:34,719 --> 01:37:36,320
preserve the fiber optic.

2411
01:37:36,320 --> 01:37:37,760
>> Correct.

2412
01:37:37,760 --> 01:37:41,840
and in and and this is can be in my

2413
01:37:41,840 --> 01:37:44,880
wrong thinking, but sitting at the back

2414
01:37:44,880 --> 01:37:47,119
of the culde-sac and talking with my

2415
01:37:47,119 --> 01:37:49,840
neighbors, there's no water ever in the

2416
01:37:49,840 --> 01:37:52,000
ditch. In fact, if you look at the

2417
01:37:52,000 --> 01:37:53,440
ditches around my house, they're not

2418
01:37:53,440 --> 01:37:55,760
even ditches. In fact, talking to the

2419
01:37:55,760 --> 01:37:57,360
Urkin Bracks that are right across the

2420
01:37:57,360 --> 01:37:58,880
street,

2421
01:37:58,880 --> 01:38:01,760
there is literally no ditch

2422
01:38:01,760 --> 01:38:04,800
around. Like we reshaped the ditches

2423
01:38:04,800 --> 01:38:08,000
around my house, but if you look at the

2424
01:38:08,000 --> 01:38:09,840
rest of the area that there are no

2425
01:38:09,840 --> 01:38:11,600
ditches there and there's no water that

2426
01:38:11,600 --> 01:38:13,199
runs there cuz we're at the top of the

2427
01:38:13,199 --> 01:38:15,840
culde-sac. Now, as you get down on these

2428
01:38:15,840 --> 01:38:18,159
roads, these ditches, I notice there's

2429
01:38:18,159 --> 01:38:20,639
always water in them in a rainstorm

2430
01:38:20,639 --> 01:38:22,800
because it's collecting water from the

2431
01:38:22,800 --> 01:38:24,880
streets around, but I'm at the top of

2432
01:38:24,880 --> 01:38:27,119
the culde-sac and there is nothing ever

2433
01:38:27,119 --> 01:38:30,239
there. And I cleaned mine out last week

2434
01:38:30,239 --> 01:38:31,520
and there were some leaves that had

2435
01:38:31,520 --> 01:38:34,239
gathered and the snow plows hit this

2436
01:38:34,239 --> 01:38:37,119
corner and they drug all the dirt and

2437
01:38:37,119 --> 01:38:39,840
rock when they cleared the snow the four

2438
01:38:39,840 --> 01:38:41,760
times we had to clear snow this year and

2439
01:38:41,760 --> 01:38:43,280
buried this ditch again. And last

2440
01:38:43,280 --> 01:38:45,119
weekend I dug it back out cuz I wanted

2441
01:38:45,119 --> 01:38:47,280
to have it looking nice for you to look

2442
01:38:47,280 --> 01:38:48,480
at to kind of see.

2443
01:38:48,480 --> 01:38:49,920
>> We knew I'd come

2444
01:38:49,920 --> 01:38:52,320
>> right and we didn't anticipate the snow

2445
01:38:52,320 --> 01:38:54,320
that we still need. So it is what it is.

2446
01:38:54,320 --> 01:38:57,679
But in my mind, I'm like, "Okay, there's

2447
01:38:57,679 --> 01:39:01,040
no water that runs in this ditch, but

2448
01:39:01,040 --> 01:39:03,679
let's get as big of a covert as I can."

2449
01:39:03,679 --> 01:39:05,840
And that's where my failure is, right?

2450
01:39:05,840 --> 01:39:09,679
Is and I I understand it's my failure.

2451
01:39:09,679 --> 01:39:11,119
So,

2452
01:39:11,119 --> 01:39:13,360
>> and let me tell you, I just came from

2453
01:39:13,360 --> 01:39:15,920
the Northshore and Kawaii,

2454
01:39:15,920 --> 01:39:16,800
>> okay?

2455
01:39:16,800 --> 01:39:19,280
>> I haven't I don't go there frequently,

2456
01:39:19,280 --> 01:39:21,920
but I was there 5 years ago. I saw

2457
01:39:21,920 --> 01:39:24,080
streams and ditches that I had never

2458
01:39:24,080 --> 01:39:25,440
noticed before because they're

2459
01:39:25,440 --> 01:39:26,560
overflowing.

2460
01:39:26,560 --> 01:39:26,880
>> Yes.

2461
01:39:26,880 --> 01:39:28,800
>> Because of this unusual rain.

2462
01:39:28,800 --> 01:39:29,520
>> Yeah.

2463
01:39:29,520 --> 01:39:33,280
>> And obviously your drainage is the

2464
01:39:33,280 --> 01:39:35,280
general plan for the drainage is a

2465
01:39:35,280 --> 01:39:36,560
minimum of 12.

2466
01:39:36,560 --> 01:39:39,760
>> Yes. I have a tough time

2467
01:39:39,760 --> 01:39:43,280
dealing with that even because you're on

2468
01:39:43,280 --> 01:39:45,040
a steep lot which means that the

2469
01:39:45,040 --> 01:39:48,000
property you know storm water and drain

2470
01:39:48,000 --> 01:39:50,400
with that going on is going to come down

2471
01:39:50,400 --> 01:39:52,400
steeper.

2472
01:39:52,400 --> 01:39:54,880
>> It doesn't collect there though.

2473
01:39:54,880 --> 01:39:57,440
>> Well, you're in a drought. We've been in

2474
01:39:57,440 --> 01:40:00,239
unusual drought and I just

2475
01:40:00,239 --> 01:40:02,800
>> I totally get your point. Could there be

2476
01:40:02,800 --> 01:40:06,159
a series of storms that

2477
01:40:06,159 --> 01:40:08,159
do

2478
01:40:08,159 --> 01:40:10,400
that could require that? I guess there

2479
01:40:10,400 --> 01:40:12,000
could in talking to my neighbors, they

2480
01:40:12,000 --> 01:40:14,080
haven't seen it in the 20 years,

2481
01:40:14,080 --> 01:40:16,719
>> right? And but I totally get there

2482
01:40:16,719 --> 01:40:18,320
that's only 20 years. Yes.

2483
01:40:18,320 --> 01:40:22,719
>> Right. Um, I would say the math if my

2484
01:40:22,719 --> 01:40:24,800
neighbors at the bottom of the culde-sac

2485
01:40:24,800 --> 01:40:26,400
that are four houses down that are

2486
01:40:26,400 --> 01:40:29,760
collecting water from eight properties,

2487
01:40:29,760 --> 01:40:33,600
if their minimum is a 12-in cover, that

2488
01:40:33,600 --> 01:40:35,440
the math would say the me at the very

2489
01:40:35,440 --> 01:40:38,639
top, the minimum should not be the same

2490
01:40:38,639 --> 01:40:41,280
because I'm only collecting water from

2491
01:40:41,280 --> 01:40:44,080
two lots, not all the culde-sac. And the

2492
01:40:44,080 --> 01:40:48,000
12-in minimum is the entire culde-sac.

2493
01:40:48,000 --> 01:40:50,880
But I totally understand and I'm not

2494
01:40:50,880 --> 01:40:52,639
going to die on that hill. If I have to

2495
01:40:52,639 --> 01:40:55,520
tear up the bottom to make people happy,

2496
01:40:55,520 --> 01:40:57,679
then I will tear it up. I don't think

2497
01:40:57,679 --> 01:41:00,560
it's needed and I might hit the

2498
01:41:00,560 --> 01:41:02,719
utilities, which will cost me a lot of

2499
01:41:02,719 --> 01:41:05,280
money to hit utilities I don't want to

2500
01:41:05,280 --> 01:41:08,480
hit, but I plan on living the rest of my

2501
01:41:08,480 --> 01:41:09,840
life in Woodland Hills, and I'm not

2502
01:41:09,840 --> 01:41:11,920
going to die on the hill of a 12-in

2503
01:41:11,920 --> 01:41:14,159
covert versus a 10- in. You know, Wayne

2504
01:41:14,159 --> 01:41:16,960
is a neighbor of mine. I care about the

2505
01:41:16,960 --> 01:41:19,119
people I live by, too. And that's why I

2506
01:41:19,119 --> 01:41:22,320
did talk to neighbors and

2507
01:41:22,320 --> 01:41:24,400
>> ask people that had lived here longer

2508
01:41:24,400 --> 01:41:33,830
than me. But I totally get your side. I understand it.

2509
01:41:33,840 --> 01:41:37,040
I mean that I I haven't I mean your

2510
01:41:37,040 --> 01:41:39,600
property

2511
01:41:39,600 --> 01:41:41,280
where the where the culvert is there's

2512
01:41:41,280 --> 01:41:44,639
nothing unusual going around with with

2513
01:41:44,639 --> 01:41:46,639
where the culvert is. You're just saying

2514
01:41:46,639 --> 01:41:49,280
that the culvert was came was came after

2515
01:41:49,280 --> 01:41:50,800
the fiber.

2516
01:41:50,800 --> 01:41:51,600
>> Um

2517
01:41:51,600 --> 01:41:55,440
>> yeah. So the fiber runs right underneath

2518
01:41:55,440 --> 01:41:57,600
that area. Well, that's the ement where

2519
01:41:57,600 --> 01:41:59,440
it's supposed to be, right? Is is

2520
01:41:59,440 --> 01:42:01,520
>> Well, we

2521
01:42:01,520 --> 01:42:04,800
we've had some issues with this Comcast

2522
01:42:04,800 --> 01:42:07,679
who came around and was doing

2523
01:42:07,679 --> 01:42:09,199
>> um

2524
01:42:09,199 --> 01:42:13,360
>> the fiber And is that the one you're

2525
01:42:13,360 --> 01:42:15,360
talking about, Aaron, or are you talking

2526
01:42:15,360 --> 01:42:16,880
about Utopia when they

2527
01:42:16,880 --> 01:42:17,920
>> I think it was Utopia

2528
01:42:17,920 --> 01:42:20,800
>> where they buried their first ones.

2529
01:42:20,800 --> 01:42:23,040
>> Comcast came through last fall and dug

2530
01:42:23,040 --> 01:42:25,440
and drilled. Comcast has not buried

2531
01:42:25,440 --> 01:42:27,440
their cable the way they should have.

2532
01:42:27,440 --> 01:42:28,080
They're they're

2533
01:42:28,080 --> 01:42:29,520
>> But that's not this cable.

2534
01:42:29,520 --> 01:42:31,520
>> No, but I wasn't sure.

2535
01:42:31,520 --> 01:42:33,520
>> They drilled that after this cover was

2536
01:42:33,520 --> 01:42:35,679
put in. They drilled it last fall. Okay.

2537
01:42:35,679 --> 01:42:37,679
>> I don't know where that is cuz they just

2538
01:42:37,679 --> 01:42:39,679
they drilled it after it was done.

2539
01:42:39,679 --> 01:42:41,679
>> They a lot of places didn't go deep

2540
01:42:41,679 --> 01:42:42,400
enough.

2541
01:42:42,400 --> 01:42:44,560
>> Utopia wasn't deep either.

2542
01:42:44,560 --> 01:42:47,040
>> And so the Utopia was one cable that was

2543
01:42:47,040 --> 01:42:51,760
laid probably 10 years ago or or so. But

2544
01:42:51,760 --> 01:42:55,280
you're connecting into a a ditch that's

2545
01:42:55,280 --> 01:42:58,080
been there longer, right?

2546
01:42:58,080 --> 01:43:00,800
>> Um, no. I had to create that ditch when

2547
01:43:00,800 --> 01:43:02,159
we moved in.

2548
01:43:02,159 --> 01:43:05,040
>> When the when the streets are made,

2549
01:43:05,040 --> 01:43:06,480
doesn't

2550
01:43:06,480 --> 01:43:09,600
>> Yes. And this is what happens often

2551
01:43:09,600 --> 01:43:13,040
times with time. Those ditches

2552
01:43:13,040 --> 01:43:14,800
deteriorate.

2553
01:43:14,800 --> 01:43:18,320
the um people often times are pulling

2554
01:43:18,320 --> 01:43:21,679
off to the side of the road and destroy

2555
01:43:21,679 --> 01:43:25,520
the ditches. So, it's not unusual for a

2556
01:43:25,520 --> 01:43:34,080
homeowner or a new homeowner to come and find a ditch is really not a ditch

2557
01:43:34,080 --> 01:43:36,800
in front of their home. It's been it's

2558
01:43:36,800 --> 01:43:39,440
just because it's wear and tear and

2559
01:43:39,440 --> 01:43:42,800
deteriorated snow plows uh pushing snow

2560
01:43:42,800 --> 01:43:45,280
into it and sometimes

2561
01:43:45,280 --> 01:43:48,960
um not destroying the ditch but but

2562
01:43:48,960 --> 01:43:53,600
making it uh disrepair and so forth.

2563
01:43:53,600 --> 01:43:55,679
>> So in Woodland Hills it's the

2564
01:43:55,679 --> 01:43:58,639
responsibility of the property owner to

2565
01:43:58,639 --> 01:43:59,679
maintain the ditch.

2566
01:43:59,679 --> 01:44:02,719
>> It is okay.

2567
01:44:02,719 --> 01:44:04,480
Unless the city is the one doing the

2568
01:44:04,480 --> 01:44:06,159
damage to it, then

2569
01:44:06,159 --> 01:44:07,199
>> the city will

2570
01:44:07,199 --> 01:44:08,960
>> or whoever is working in the ditch or

2571
01:44:08,960 --> 01:44:09,840
using these.

2572
01:44:09,840 --> 01:44:10,480
>> Yeah.

2573
01:44:10,480 --> 01:44:13,600
>> And I when I did the ditch,

2574
01:44:13,600 --> 01:44:16,480
um I mean it the ditch has to go around

2575
01:44:16,480 --> 01:44:19,520
that box, that utility box, and I dug to

2576
01:44:19,520 --> 01:44:21,440
the bottom of the utility box. I dug it

2577
01:44:21,440 --> 01:44:24,000
as deep as I could to, you know, make it

2578
01:44:24,000 --> 01:44:27,440
a good ditch. But it is as deep as it

2579
01:44:27,440 --> 01:44:29,600
can go. And it does comply with a 12

2580
01:44:29,600 --> 01:44:31,440
inch deep

2581
01:44:31,440 --> 01:44:34,159
needed ditch in that area. But

2582
01:44:34,159 --> 01:44:38,639
>> no, you're that's not what I understand.

2583
01:44:38,639 --> 01:44:40,560
>> I'm not sure of the deepness of the

2584
01:44:40,560 --> 01:44:43,760
ditches. I I can't remember what the

2585
01:44:43,760 --> 01:44:46,320
should be.

2586
01:44:46,320 --> 01:44:49,280
>> It's it's a critical thing to me. So you

2587
01:44:49,280 --> 01:44:54,080
proposed a 15-in ditch mean.

2588
01:44:54,080 --> 01:44:56,719
>> You didn't build that. The ordinance

2589
01:44:56,719 --> 01:44:59,760
would have required a 12 inch.

2590
01:44:59,760 --> 01:45:01,280
Still requires a 12 inch.

2591
01:45:01,280 --> 01:45:02,639
>> Correct.

2592
01:45:02,639 --> 01:45:04,560
>> And you put in a 10 inch.

2593
01:45:04,560 --> 01:45:05,600
>> Correct.

2594
01:45:05,600 --> 01:45:08,159
>> But we we would have

2595
01:45:08,159 --> 01:45:11,360
required the 15 inch, but the site plan

2596
01:45:11,360 --> 01:45:12,880
showed

2597
01:45:12,880 --> 01:45:15,520
even though our ordinance said 12

2598
01:45:15,520 --> 01:45:15,840
because

2599
01:45:15,840 --> 01:45:19,920
>> we have looked at that as a a change.

2600
01:45:19,920 --> 01:45:24,320
And it's very likely that if Aaron

2601
01:45:24,320 --> 01:45:26,400
contacted the city and asked him about

2602
01:45:26,400 --> 01:45:28,960
that, we would have told him a 15-in

2603
01:45:28,960 --> 01:45:30,800
culvert goes there. And that may have

2604
01:45:30,800 --> 01:45:34,080
been why he put then on the site plan a

2605
01:45:34,080 --> 01:45:35,440
15 in.

2606
01:45:35,440 --> 01:45:36,880
>> You're saying it's good and that's what

2607
01:45:36,880 --> 01:45:39,040
the city was happy with. The 15-in.

2608
01:45:39,040 --> 01:45:40,639
>> Yes. Yep. Correct. I

2609
01:45:40,639 --> 01:45:42,880
>> I I understand that it was it may not

2610
01:45:42,880 --> 01:45:44,960
have been more it may was maybe more

2611
01:45:44,960 --> 01:45:47,199
than minimum, but still appropriate for

2612
01:45:47,199 --> 01:45:49,440
collecting the water off of the site.

2613
01:45:49,440 --> 01:45:52,880
question I have is he's just said that

2614
01:45:52,880 --> 01:45:55,760
he put the 10 inch down where the 12

2615
01:45:55,760 --> 01:45:57,840
inch

2616
01:45:57,840 --> 01:46:01,600
>> the 10 in is 12 in.

2617
01:46:01,600 --> 01:46:03,760
>> 12 is 14 or something.

2618
01:46:03,760 --> 01:46:07,199
>> Uh 12 is 14. It it gets to a point where

2619
01:46:07,199 --> 01:46:09,760
it's the get thicker but yeah.

2620
01:46:09,760 --> 01:46:10,320
>> Okay.

2621
01:46:10,320 --> 01:46:12,960
>> Correct. So

2622
01:46:12,960 --> 01:46:15,760
the only because

2623
01:46:15,760 --> 01:46:17,280
going there and looking at it, it

2624
01:46:17,280 --> 01:46:19,600
appears that there weren't there should

2625
01:46:19,600 --> 01:46:21,600
be no problems with him strictly

2626
01:46:21,600 --> 01:46:23,760
complying

2627
01:46:23,760 --> 01:46:24,719
by putting it in.

2628
01:46:24,719 --> 01:46:26,880
>> If he'd have put a 12 1/2 in cover in

2629
01:46:26,880 --> 01:46:29,040
there, we wouldn't be here today on that

2630
01:46:29,040 --> 01:46:32,480
matter because that's what the

2631
01:46:32,480 --> 01:46:36,080
>> the code would require. color require

2632
01:46:36,080 --> 01:46:39,440
>> and and I did not to tell you how tight

2633
01:46:39,440 --> 01:46:43,360
everything was. I actually did not get

2634
01:46:43,360 --> 01:46:47,119
any subgrade underneath my asphalt at

2635
01:46:47,119 --> 01:46:49,760
the cover. The asphalt is sitting right

2636
01:46:49,760 --> 01:46:53,600
on the covert in that small section the

2637
01:46:53,600 --> 01:46:56,239
top of the circle because I couldn't go

2638
01:46:56,239 --> 01:46:59,440
any further. Like there is no you should

2639
01:46:59,440 --> 01:47:02,080
have like four inches of rope bas or 4

2640
01:47:02,080 --> 01:47:02,960
inch over.

2641
01:47:02,960 --> 01:47:05,119
>> I could not even do that. So I have a

2642
01:47:05,119 --> 01:47:06,560
problem where at some point it's

2643
01:47:06,560 --> 01:47:08,480
probably the asphalt's going to crack

2644
01:47:08,480 --> 01:47:11,520
but I could not even get because

2645
01:47:11,520 --> 01:47:14,080
the driveway the base of the driveway

2646
01:47:14,080 --> 01:47:16,560
you can't be 15%.

2647
01:47:16,560 --> 01:47:18,400
It has to there's a section there where

2648
01:47:18,400 --> 01:47:21,600
it has to be lower so the snow plows

2649
01:47:21,600 --> 01:47:25,679
don't hit it. And so it has to be lower

2650
01:47:25,679 --> 01:47:31,199
and so I could not go any higher and and

2651
01:47:31,199 --> 01:47:32,800
I would be out of compliance on the

2652
01:47:32,800 --> 01:47:34,880
angle of the driveway. So I had to hit

2653
01:47:34,880 --> 01:47:37,440
that I think it's 7% in the first 10 ft

2654
01:47:37,440 --> 01:47:38,480
or something like that.

2655
01:47:38,480 --> 01:47:39,440
>> Yeah. You hit it.

2656
01:47:39,440 --> 01:47:42,480
>> I hit it. But what required to hit it

2657
01:47:42,480 --> 01:47:46,239
was a 10-in cover and sitting right the

2658
01:47:46,239 --> 01:47:49,280
asphalt sitting on the cover

2659
01:47:49,280 --> 01:47:51,360
because of that fiber line that runs

2660
01:47:51,360 --> 01:47:54,239
underneath it is so shallow.

2661
01:47:54,239 --> 01:47:54,960
>> There is something

2662
01:47:54,960 --> 01:47:56,800
>> that's the only reason why I couldn't

2663
01:47:56,800 --> 01:47:58,800
hit it is cuz that fiber line and if I

2664
01:47:58,800 --> 01:48:00,880
would have hit the fiber line, cut the

2665
01:48:00,880 --> 01:48:03,199
fiber line, yes, I could have hit it.

2666
01:48:03,199 --> 01:48:07,199
But then I'm in now I'm paying Utopia

2667
01:48:07,199 --> 01:48:09,360
thousands of dollars because I hid their

2668
01:48:09,360 --> 01:48:12,560
>> Why is the fiber line

2669
01:48:12,560 --> 01:48:15,440
where the cover ought to be?

2670
01:48:15,440 --> 01:48:19,830
>> Cuz they're both in the same ement.

2671
01:48:19,840 --> 01:48:21,360
» I don't know.

2672
01:48:21,360 --> 01:48:22,239
>> Shouldn't be right.

2673
01:48:22,239 --> 01:48:24,800
>> No, it shouldn't. Where should the where

2674
01:48:24,800 --> 01:48:25,280
should the

2675
01:48:25,280 --> 01:48:27,280
>> should be off to the side still in the

2676
01:48:27,280 --> 01:48:31,520
right ofway the fiber line but it it

2677
01:48:31,520 --> 01:48:37,520
shouldn't be in an area where a ditch is designated

2678
01:48:37,520 --> 01:48:41,270
to be

2679
01:48:41,280 --> 01:48:44,239
» I wonder we have

2680
01:48:44,239 --> 01:48:46,480
the fiber companies come in and kind of

2681
01:48:46,480 --> 01:48:48,800
do what they please.

2682
01:48:48,800 --> 01:48:49,280
Uh

2683
01:48:49,280 --> 01:48:50,880
>> that should create more work for you.

2684
01:48:50,880 --> 01:48:52,719
>> It does.

2685
01:48:52,719 --> 01:48:55,119
And they and they pay you for it.

2686
01:48:55,119 --> 01:48:57,199
>> Uh yeah,

2687
01:48:57,199 --> 01:48:58,639
>> they do.

2688
01:48:58,639 --> 01:48:59,760
>> Yeah.

2689
01:48:59,760 --> 01:49:04,320
>> So, um is that is it in a pro? But is

2690
01:49:04,320 --> 01:49:06,719
that going to be the case?

2691
01:49:06,719 --> 01:49:08,639
The problem that's going to be created

2692
01:49:08,639 --> 01:49:13,520
as I see it and from hearing Aaron is if

2693
01:49:13,520 --> 01:49:16,639
he takes that out and puts a 15 in or

2694
01:49:16,639 --> 01:49:19,520
even a 12 1/2 inch culver

2695
01:49:19,520 --> 01:49:21,920
then

2696
01:49:21,920 --> 01:49:24,159
he's going to he's not going to be able

2697
01:49:24,159 --> 01:49:28,960
to meet that um that 7% if that's what

2698
01:49:28,960 --> 01:49:32,800
it is and it's somewhere in that area of

2699
01:49:32,800 --> 01:49:37,840
downs slope to prevent and snow plows

2700
01:49:37,840 --> 01:49:40,480
from

2701
01:49:40,480 --> 01:49:43,440
hitting that and it'll even it'll make

2702
01:49:43,440 --> 01:49:47,590
it worse.

2703
01:49:47,600 --> 01:49:49,600
» So,

2704
01:49:49,600 --> 01:49:52,800
if he complies,

2705
01:49:52,800 --> 01:49:55,679
he's got to remove the fiber optics that

2706
01:49:55,679 --> 01:49:59,350
are in the wrong place.

2707
01:49:59,360 --> 01:50:01,920
Well, we'd have to have a fiber company

2708
01:50:01,920 --> 01:50:04,560
come out and probably do that because it

2709
01:50:04,560 --> 01:50:06,719
they'll probably need to be cut and

2710
01:50:06,719 --> 01:50:08,800
moved

2711
01:50:08,800 --> 01:50:11,920
and that takes expertise to do that.

2712
01:50:11,920 --> 01:50:12,320
>> But

2713
01:50:12,320 --> 01:50:14,560
>> because there's not enough give in that

2714
01:50:14,560 --> 01:50:14,800
line.

2715
01:50:14,800 --> 01:50:17,119
>> I know. Okay. But let me ask Okay, let

2716
01:50:17,119 --> 01:50:19,679
me go through that scenario. You're

2717
01:50:19,679 --> 01:50:21,600
saying the property the problem was

2718
01:50:21,600 --> 01:50:24,400
called caused by the fiber octave lines

2719
01:50:24,400 --> 01:50:28,709
being in the wrong place.

2720
01:50:28,719 --> 01:50:31,119
the city could require the fiber optics

2721
01:50:31,119 --> 01:50:33,920
to come in and to move it and to get it

2722
01:50:33,920 --> 01:50:37,040
in the right place. Correct.

2723
01:50:37,040 --> 01:50:41,990
>> You'd think yes.

2724
01:50:42,000 --> 01:50:44,560
Sometimes they're not very cooperative.

2725
01:50:44,560 --> 01:50:46,480
>> Well,

2726
01:50:46,480 --> 01:50:48,560
>> but yes, they didn't do what they were

2727
01:50:48,560 --> 01:50:49,440
supposed to do.

2728
01:50:49,440 --> 01:50:51,280
>> So, it seems to me that you create two

2729
01:50:51,280 --> 01:50:52,719
problems and he's kind of in the middle

2730
01:50:52,719 --> 01:50:54,880
of a rock and a hard spot. You either

2731
01:50:54,880 --> 01:50:57,440
solve your drainage problem by having a

2732
01:50:57,440 --> 01:51:00,000
culvert that's required in the code,

2733
01:51:00,000 --> 01:51:02,159
which he said he was going to do and

2734
01:51:02,159 --> 01:51:04,080
which he didn't do because of the

2735
01:51:04,080 --> 01:51:06,560
problem caused by the fiber optics. So

2736
01:51:06,560 --> 01:51:08,719
you got a 10-in line up there for a

2737
01:51:08,719 --> 01:51:11,040
drain surface drainage that feed that

2738
01:51:11,040 --> 01:51:14,159
should be 12

2739
01:51:14,159 --> 01:51:17,840
and he can't put in the 12 without the

2740
01:51:17,840 --> 01:51:21,679
fiber optic coming out. Is that fair

2741
01:51:21,679 --> 01:51:23,040
analysis?

2742
01:51:23,040 --> 01:51:24,880
So, either you screw your drainage or

2743
01:51:24,880 --> 01:51:28,560
you screw your street.

2744
01:51:28,560 --> 01:51:28,960
>> What's

2745
01:51:28,960 --> 01:51:32,080
>> And now we have the new I don't know. I

2746
01:51:32,080 --> 01:51:35,199
do know that they drilled underneath and

2747
01:51:35,199 --> 01:51:37,280
ran the new line

2748
01:51:37,280 --> 01:51:38,719
>> underneath the culvert.

2749
01:51:38,719 --> 01:51:40,480
>> Well, but I don't know how far they ran

2750
01:51:40,480 --> 01:51:41,520
it underneath it.

2751
01:51:41,520 --> 01:51:43,599
>> Did they go underneath the cover or just

2752
01:51:43,599 --> 01:51:45,760
So, you're saying the culver is the

2753
01:51:45,760 --> 01:51:47,760
surface paving is just right on top of

2754
01:51:47,760 --> 01:51:48,639
the cover.

2755
01:51:48,639 --> 01:51:50,719
>> So, they had to go down.

2756
01:51:50,719 --> 01:51:52,159
>> They had to go down. I don't know how

2757
01:51:52,159 --> 01:51:53,920
far they went down. The new company that

2758
01:51:53,920 --> 01:51:54,719
came in last fall.

2759
01:51:54,719 --> 01:51:55,520
>> That's Comcast.

2760
01:51:55,520 --> 01:51:57,840
>> Comcast. So, I don't know where that is.

2761
01:51:57,840 --> 01:52:01,679
But that's underneath there now as well

2762
01:52:01,679 --> 01:52:04,880
cuz they go in that same area. I wish I

2763
01:52:04,880 --> 01:52:06,480
had a picture of that. But

2764
01:52:06,480 --> 01:52:08,960
>> why aren't they in the same line? Cuz

2765
01:52:08,960 --> 01:52:10,560
they don't have to be, right? I guess

2766
01:52:10,560 --> 01:52:11,599
>> they're different companies.

2767
01:52:11,599 --> 01:52:12,480
>> Well, I know they're different

2768
01:52:12,480 --> 01:52:13,520
companies, but

2769
01:52:13,520 --> 01:52:16,000
>> yeah, they do their own. Yeah, they I

2770
01:52:16,000 --> 01:52:16,960
mean it's one fiber,

2771
01:52:16,960 --> 01:52:20,639
>> but they have But your problem

2772
01:52:20,639 --> 01:52:23,599
seems to me is that in order to get your

2773
01:52:23,599 --> 01:52:26,480
drainage, you've got to He can't solve

2774
01:52:26,480 --> 01:52:29,040
the problem with the fiber optics. City

2775
01:52:29,040 --> 01:52:30,560
can

2776
01:52:30,560 --> 01:52:31,920
by requiring them if they're in the

2777
01:52:31,920 --> 01:52:37,589
wrong place.

2778
01:52:37,599 --> 01:52:39,280
So

2779
01:52:39,280 --> 01:52:44,480
which which hazard is more

2780
01:52:44,480 --> 01:52:46,320
or it seems to me that the surface

2781
01:52:46,320 --> 01:52:49,280
drainage is almost more important to

2782
01:52:49,280 --> 01:52:50,800
carry the load that you think that it's

2783
01:52:50,800 --> 01:52:53,679
going to carry or that you're building

2784
01:52:53,679 --> 01:52:56,639
for.

2785
01:52:56,639 --> 01:52:59,599
>> I I don't think so. You don't pick up at

2786
01:52:59,599 --> 01:53:01,760
the top of the culde-sacs.

2787
01:53:01,760 --> 01:53:03,280
>> You're picking up everything from

2788
01:53:03,280 --> 01:53:05,119
everything that's uphill above you.

2789
01:53:05,119 --> 01:53:06,880
>> And there's nothing uphill. I'm at the

2790
01:53:06,880 --> 01:53:07,760
end of a culde-sac.

2791
01:53:07,760 --> 01:53:09,440
>> You're at the end of this culde-sac, but

2792
01:53:09,440 --> 01:53:11,840
behind you there's property and there

2793
01:53:11,840 --> 01:53:14,639
are other houses up uphill from you,

2794
01:53:14,639 --> 01:53:15,679
>> but they've got their own

2795
01:53:15,679 --> 01:53:17,119
>> They have their own drainage,

2796
01:53:17,119 --> 01:53:19,280
>> drenches, trench ditches, and

2797
01:53:19,280 --> 01:53:21,679
>> you're on a mountain side that all the

2798
01:53:21,679 --> 01:53:23,520
reason why none of it hits the ditch is

2799
01:53:23,520 --> 01:53:26,560
because it's all trees. It doesn't

2800
01:53:26,560 --> 01:53:29,440
>> So, what's what's east of what's back

2801
01:53:29,440 --> 01:53:31,280
behind you? Isn't there another house?

2802
01:53:31,280 --> 01:53:33,679
Aren't there other houses and other lots

2803
01:53:33,679 --> 01:53:35,360
that

2804
01:53:35,360 --> 01:53:37,280
>> There's two houses in the culde-sac.

2805
01:53:37,280 --> 01:53:38,639
>> No, I saw your houses around the

2806
01:53:38,639 --> 01:53:40,320
culde-sac. I'm saying

2807
01:53:40,320 --> 01:53:42,320
>> south. Yeah, I'm saying you're ups

2808
01:53:42,320 --> 01:53:45,440
slope. What's up slope above you?

2809
01:53:45,440 --> 01:53:47,119
>> There's one road above there.

2810
01:53:47,119 --> 01:53:48,480
>> Rid your circle, isn't it?

2811
01:53:48,480 --> 01:53:50,159
>> No, he's

2812
01:53:50,159 --> 01:53:53,440
circle. What? The one that loops around.

2813
01:53:53,440 --> 01:54:01,350
I'm not sure what road that is.

2814
01:54:01,360 --> 01:54:03,679
But I don't think the drainage is the

2815
01:54:03,679 --> 01:54:04,719
issue.

2816
01:54:04,719 --> 01:54:06,960
>> Each kind of each culac takes care of

2817
01:54:06,960 --> 01:54:08,880
its own

2818
01:54:08,880 --> 01:54:11,199
or each street takes care of its own

2819
01:54:11,199 --> 01:54:13,119
drainage. That's that's what it's

2820
01:54:13,119 --> 01:54:13,840
designed.

2821
01:54:13,840 --> 01:54:15,760
>> Well, but realistically, you're going

2822
01:54:15,760 --> 01:54:17,440
to,

2823
01:54:17,440 --> 01:54:20,400
you know, unfortunately gravity says

2824
01:54:20,400 --> 01:54:22,480
otherwise. You're gonna take care of

2825
01:54:22,480 --> 01:54:24,880
everything that's uphill from you

2826
01:54:24,880 --> 01:54:26,239
because it's not going to drain the

2827
01:54:26,239 --> 01:54:27,840
other way until you get up to a slope

2828
01:54:27,840 --> 01:54:28,800
and goes the other way.

2829
01:54:28,800 --> 01:54:30,880
>> There's no way to collect that in order

2830
01:54:30,880 --> 01:54:31,119
to

2831
01:54:31,119 --> 01:54:32,800
>> No, it'll come down and it's going to

2832
01:54:32,800 --> 01:54:33,920
come down

2833
01:54:33,920 --> 01:54:35,119
>> in a mudslide.

2834
01:54:35,119 --> 01:54:37,280
>> It's going to come down. It's going to

2835
01:54:37,280 --> 01:54:41,599
come down yours now very steep sides

2836
01:54:41,599 --> 01:54:43,840
um to get to a culvert where it's

2837
01:54:43,840 --> 01:54:45,520
supposed to be taken away.

2838
01:54:45,520 --> 01:54:48,880
>> And some of that is okay. Our ordinance

2839
01:54:48,880 --> 01:54:52,639
says that you can't in building a home,

2840
01:54:52,639 --> 01:54:55,119
you can't create more of a runoff than

2841
01:54:55,119 --> 01:54:59,199
you had before on that lot. In other

2842
01:54:59,199 --> 01:55:01,280
words, by putting in a driveway and

2843
01:55:01,280 --> 01:55:02,400
other

2844
01:55:02,400 --> 01:55:05,040
>> cement things around there. You've got

2845
01:55:05,040 --> 01:55:08,800
to retain that some way on your lot.

2846
01:55:08,800 --> 01:55:10,880
>> This one doesn't retain anything and we

2847
01:55:10,880 --> 01:55:13,599
don't know what happens uphill,

2848
01:55:13,599 --> 01:55:15,440
>> but that's what our ordinance says.

2849
01:55:15,440 --> 01:55:18,080
>> Okay. And you

2850
01:55:18,080 --> 01:55:20,400
I don't think at the top of the

2851
01:55:20,400 --> 01:55:22,400
>> calculated the

2852
01:55:22,400 --> 01:55:23,199
engineers

2853
01:55:23,199 --> 01:55:26,159
>> engineers calculated the 15 a 15 inch

2854
01:55:26,159 --> 01:55:27,199
was what was

2855
01:55:27,199 --> 01:55:27,840
>> and they

2856
01:55:27,840 --> 01:55:30,560
>> no a 12 in minimum 12 in in a culdeac

2857
01:55:30,560 --> 01:55:31,599
>> no wait a minute wait a minute wait a

2858
01:55:31,599 --> 01:55:34,400
minute the ordinance requires 12 but I'm

2859
01:55:34,400 --> 01:55:37,199
saying who you said somebody did

2860
01:55:37,199 --> 01:55:39,920
calculations for this site plan to

2861
01:55:39,920 --> 01:55:40,800
determine

2862
01:55:40,800 --> 01:55:43,599
>> we found that 12 in is not sufficient

2863
01:55:43,599 --> 01:55:47,280
>> because itauses messed up.

2864
01:55:47,280 --> 01:55:49,840
So that's why we tell everybody 15in

2865
01:55:49,840 --> 01:55:52,320
culvert even though the ordinance may

2866
01:55:52,320 --> 01:55:56,719
say 12 or 12 in. Now if they put a 12-in

2867
01:55:56,719 --> 01:56:00,400
culbert in per ordinance and and don't

2868
01:56:00,400 --> 01:56:02,880
have any interaction with us, fine.

2869
01:56:02,880 --> 01:56:05,040
That's what the ordinance calls for and

2870
01:56:05,040 --> 01:56:08,960
they comply. But when they ask, we say,

2871
01:56:08,960 --> 01:56:10,719
>> don't they always have to ask? you you

2872
01:56:10,719 --> 01:56:13,440
kind of control building codes and

2873
01:56:13,440 --> 01:56:17,350
driveways and culverts.

2874
01:56:17,360 --> 01:56:20,880
» Well, at the end of the construction,

2875
01:56:20,880 --> 01:56:23,679
that's that's when that's getting done.

2876
01:56:23,679 --> 01:56:26,880
And and we do. And like Erin said,

2877
01:56:26,880 --> 01:56:28,320
there's a there's an overburden

2878
01:56:28,320 --> 01:56:30,639
required, three or 4 inch overburden

2879
01:56:30,639 --> 01:56:33,440
required on those kinds of culverts

2880
01:56:33,440 --> 01:56:34,960
>> to protect the cover.

2881
01:56:34,960 --> 01:56:39,440
>> Yes. And sometimes that doesn't even

2882
01:56:39,440 --> 01:56:42,080
>> because there's so many building in a m

2883
01:56:42,080 --> 01:56:45,840
on a mountain side has so many different

2884
01:56:45,840 --> 01:56:47,599
nuances.

2885
01:56:47,599 --> 01:56:50,719
Um as somebody that has lived in that

2886
01:56:50,719 --> 01:56:53,760
home for a year and a half. Um

2887
01:56:53,760 --> 01:56:55,679
I can tell you that the most critical

2888
01:56:55,679 --> 01:56:58,320
one is the slope of the driveway to for

2889
01:56:58,320 --> 01:56:59,520
safety.

2890
01:56:59,520 --> 01:57:01,280
>> I don't disagree with that.

2891
01:57:01,280 --> 01:57:02,960
>> So that would that's the first thing to

2892
01:57:02,960 --> 01:57:04,639
make sure is right. And I think every

2893
01:57:04,639 --> 01:57:06,159
yeah, everybody agrees there.

2894
01:57:06,159 --> 01:57:09,119
>> And I I don't have a problem with I see

2895
01:57:09,119 --> 01:57:12,000
that there are because of the not that

2896
01:57:12,000 --> 01:57:14,320
your your property is similar to the

2897
01:57:14,320 --> 01:57:15,520
others in the sense that you've got

2898
01:57:15,520 --> 01:57:16,719
steep slopes.

2899
01:57:16,719 --> 01:57:17,360
>> Yeah.

2900
01:57:17,360 --> 01:57:19,440
>> Getting back. So that the variance I

2901
01:57:19,440 --> 01:57:21,199
don't have a problem with. I can see

2902
01:57:21,199 --> 01:57:23,599
that that

2903
01:57:23,599 --> 01:57:25,040
while I think you should have gotten it

2904
01:57:25,040 --> 01:57:27,280
permitted and done the correct way the

2905
01:57:27,280 --> 01:57:28,080
first time.

2906
01:57:28,080 --> 01:57:28,400
>> Yeah.

2907
01:57:28,400 --> 01:57:30,639
>> And I appreciate the fact that you're a

2908
01:57:30,639 --> 01:57:33,840
solve the problem guy, but sometimes you

2909
01:57:33,840 --> 01:57:34,960
need to

2910
01:57:34,960 --> 01:57:35,760
>> Yeah.

2911
01:57:35,760 --> 01:57:37,520
>> to get approval instead of asking for

2912
01:57:37,520 --> 01:57:38,560
permission.

2913
01:57:38,560 --> 01:57:38,960
>> Yeah.

2914
01:57:38,960 --> 01:57:42,400
>> Um which it seems to me the implication

2915
01:57:42,400 --> 01:57:48,560
is what is the impact is is on the um

2916
01:57:48,560 --> 01:57:52,470
the drainage

2917
01:57:52,480 --> 01:57:54,400
a thought.

2918
01:57:54,400 --> 01:57:59,040
If the city can get Utopia to come out

2919
01:57:59,040 --> 01:58:01,360
and relocate that line or bury it

2920
01:58:01,360 --> 01:58:04,000
deeper,

2921
01:58:04,000 --> 01:58:07,679
would you be okay then with putting in

2922
01:58:07,679 --> 01:58:11,440
the 15-in or potentially 12 1/2 in

2923
01:58:11,440 --> 01:58:14,080
culvert? If we get them to come out and

2924
01:58:14,080 --> 01:58:15,440
do that work,

2925
01:58:15,440 --> 01:58:17,520
>> Yeah. it just when they do it, they're

2926
01:58:17,520 --> 01:58:19,360
going to tear up that whole thing. Well,

2927
01:58:19,360 --> 01:58:22,239
they they will they'll have but you'd

2928
01:58:22,239 --> 01:58:23,440
want it torn out if you're going to

2929
01:58:23,440 --> 01:58:25,760
replace in a culvert. It won't make much

2930
01:58:25,760 --> 01:58:26,880
difference that way.

2931
01:58:26,880 --> 01:58:29,679
>> The difference is when I tear it out,

2932
01:58:29,679 --> 01:58:31,599
they won't like they I mean they're

2933
01:58:31,599 --> 01:58:34,560
contracted employees that'll come and

2934
01:58:34,560 --> 01:58:36,880
tear I mean

2935
01:58:36,880 --> 01:58:39,360
I don't know. We we know the difference

2936
01:58:39,360 --> 01:58:41,199
of somebody carefully tearing it out

2937
01:58:41,199 --> 01:58:44,000
versus somebody who doesn't.

2938
01:58:44,000 --> 01:58:46,000
That would be my concern is if they do

2939
01:58:46,000 --> 01:58:48,800
that it they just tear up that whole

2940
01:58:48,800 --> 01:58:51,119
front which creates a bigger problem.

2941
01:58:51,119 --> 01:58:54,880
That's typically what happens. But

2942
01:58:54,880 --> 01:58:56,239
>> I just throwing

2943
01:58:56,239 --> 01:58:57,679
>> throwing an idea out here.

2944
01:58:57,679 --> 01:59:00,480
>> I mean that would be that would be the

2945
01:59:00,480 --> 01:59:03,760
only way in my that I could see to do

2946
01:59:03,760 --> 01:59:08,239
it. I don't think that it's necessary.

2947
01:59:08,239 --> 01:59:10,159
But if you guys feel that it is then

2948
01:59:10,159 --> 01:59:11,599
that's how it would have to be solved.

2949
01:59:11,599 --> 01:59:13,920
And and that's another issue, too.

2950
01:59:13,920 --> 01:59:14,960
>> Yeah.

2951
01:59:14,960 --> 01:59:18,960
>> Erin, uh, and I understand that is is a

2952
01:59:18,960 --> 01:59:22,800
12-in culvert. It may not be ideal, but

2953
01:59:22,800 --> 01:59:25,040
will it work?

2954
01:59:25,040 --> 01:59:25,840
>> Yeah.

2955
01:59:25,840 --> 01:59:30,400
>> Well, I don't know. I that's not that's out of

2956
01:59:30,400 --> 01:59:34,639
my wheelhouse. an engineer would and and

2957
01:59:34,639 --> 01:59:37,199
there'd need to be an assessment as a

2958
01:59:37,199 --> 01:59:42,560
further review to see if if uh if 10-in

2959
01:59:42,560 --> 01:59:45,920
culvert beef would be okay there. Again,

2960
01:59:45,920 --> 01:59:51,830
maybe not ideal, but acceptable.

2961
01:59:51,840 --> 01:59:53,440
» Maybe that's something I have to do is

2962
01:59:53,440 --> 01:59:59,830
have an engineer come and look at it.

2963
01:59:59,840 --> 02:00:02,560
Um

2964
02:00:02,560 --> 02:00:05,040
to me to me the circumstance in this one

2965
02:00:05,040 --> 02:00:07,679
is that

2966
02:00:07,679 --> 02:00:10,159
it's the unusual circumstance is that

2967
02:00:10,159 --> 02:00:13,520
the your inability to strictly comply

2968
02:00:13,520 --> 02:00:16,080
was not you're doing is the city's in

2969
02:00:16,080 --> 02:00:18,560
the the improper placement of the

2970
02:00:18,560 --> 02:00:21,760
existing facil the existing fiber optics

2971
02:00:21,760 --> 02:00:23,360
and you don't have any control over

2972
02:00:23,360 --> 02:00:28,400
that. Um, however, if the city if the

2973
02:00:28,400 --> 02:00:30,719
city

2974
02:00:30,719 --> 02:00:34,159
gets the gets that corrected,

2975
02:00:34,159 --> 02:00:35,920
then

2976
02:00:35,920 --> 02:00:38,800
is 12 months adequate or it needs to be

2977
02:00:38,800 --> 02:00:39,280
6 months?

2978
02:00:39,280 --> 02:00:41,679
>> It should be this year.

2979
02:00:41,679 --> 02:00:43,199
>> No, I'm just saying if you get the city,

2980
02:00:43,199 --> 02:00:46,320
if the city gets that done,

2981
02:00:46,320 --> 02:00:48,159
>> then you would have and they give you

2982
02:00:48,159 --> 02:00:51,360
notice that you've got six months.

2983
02:00:51,360 --> 02:00:53,040
>> I think it would have to be all done at

2984
02:00:53,040 --> 02:00:54,480
the same time.

2985
02:00:54,480 --> 02:00:55,199
depending on how

2986
02:00:55,199 --> 02:00:56,719
>> you want it done because if he's got to

2987
02:00:56,719 --> 02:00:59,360
if they come in tear that out, he's

2988
02:00:59,360 --> 02:01:00,960
going to want to get it replaced pretty

2989
02:01:00,960 --> 02:01:01,599
soon.

2990
02:01:01,599 --> 02:01:04,320
>> And the other six months is next winter.

2991
02:01:04,320 --> 02:01:07,599
So really, it's we get it done between

2992
02:01:07,599 --> 02:01:10,080
now and October or else we don't get it

2993
02:01:10,080 --> 02:01:13,040
done right this year.

2994
02:01:13,040 --> 02:01:15,760
>> And I I can't imagine not us not being

2995
02:01:15,760 --> 02:01:17,599
able to get Utopia out here,

2996
02:01:17,599 --> 02:01:18,159
>> right?

2997
02:01:18,159 --> 02:01:20,159
>> You know, within a month or 60 days or

2998
02:01:20,159 --> 02:01:22,560
whatever. Now, if Utopia can drill it

2999
02:01:22,560 --> 02:01:25,360
down that way, they don't, then it would

3000
02:01:25,360 --> 02:01:28,159
be way more beneficial cuz then they

3001
02:01:28,159 --> 02:01:30,080
aren't tearing everything up. They may

3002
02:01:30,080 --> 02:01:32,800
want to they may want to under drill it

3003
02:01:32,800 --> 02:01:35,599
anyway. But they're going to they're not

3004
02:01:35,599 --> 02:01:40,000
just going to tear up the the covert

3005
02:01:40,000 --> 02:01:41,599
whereas the covert is. They'll tear up

3006
02:01:41,599 --> 02:01:45,119
that whole ditch and doing that cuz the

3007
02:01:45,119 --> 02:01:48,719
their box is halfway down. It's like 50

3008
02:01:48,719 --> 02:01:52,000
feet from the driveway in the ditch. So,

3009
02:01:52,000 --> 02:01:54,800
they'll tear up all that.

3010
02:01:54,800 --> 02:01:57,520
So, it's not going to be it's it's a big

3011
02:01:57,520 --> 02:01:59,040
job,

3012
02:01:59,040 --> 02:02:03,599
but it it's the reality of it, right?

3013
02:02:03,599 --> 02:02:05,360
If it was right next to the driveway, I

3014
02:02:05,360 --> 02:02:06,800
think you could do it cleaner, but it's

3015
02:02:06,800 --> 02:02:08,800
all the way down on the west side of the

3016
02:02:08,800 --> 02:02:10,800
lot.

3017
02:02:10,800 --> 02:02:23,030
So, yeah.

3018
02:02:23,040 --> 02:02:24,480
Um, let me let me just

3019
02:02:24,480 --> 02:02:26,080
>> Yeah, there's some

3020
02:02:26,080 --> 02:02:26,480
>> Okay,

3021
02:02:26,480 --> 02:02:30,480
>> another added moving parts here that

3022
02:02:30,480 --> 02:02:32,480
>> well become part of the equation.

3023
02:02:32,480 --> 02:02:38,719
>> They have um and so at this point I

3024
02:02:38,719 --> 02:02:40,719
the ground the ground doesn't justify

3025
02:02:40,719 --> 02:02:44,719
it. What justifies in your situation is

3026
02:02:44,719 --> 02:02:46,719
I mean you saw the slope and and I'm not

3027
02:02:46,719 --> 02:02:48,000
talking about the slope now. I'm just

3028
02:02:48,000 --> 02:02:49,679
talking about the culvert.

3029
02:02:49,679 --> 02:02:51,599
>> Um because the culvert impacts you know

3030
02:02:51,599 --> 02:02:53,760
the drainage system for the whole street

3031
02:02:53,760 --> 02:02:58,480
and and property north of you. And so

3032
02:02:58,480 --> 02:03:01,440
but you can't solve it.

3033
02:03:01,440 --> 02:03:04,639
>> And so if

3034
02:03:04,639 --> 02:03:06,880
I'm going to give you I'm not going to

3035
02:03:06,880 --> 02:03:09,760
I'm going to give you how can we can we

3036
02:03:09,760 --> 02:03:12,080
put it

3037
02:03:12,080 --> 02:03:15,040
I don't know that a temporary

3038
02:03:15,040 --> 02:03:16,639
variance is what we're talking about

3039
02:03:16,639 --> 02:03:19,520
because if they can solve the problem, I

3040
02:03:19,520 --> 02:03:21,040
want you to solve the problem.

3041
02:03:21,040 --> 02:03:23,840
>> Yeah.

3042
02:03:23,840 --> 02:03:26,239
>> So, I'm not sure that I'm I don't So,

3043
02:03:26,239 --> 02:03:27,920
I'm not granting a variance in the sense

3044
02:03:27,920 --> 02:03:29,760
that

3045
02:03:29,760 --> 02:03:32,960
you know that it's okay, but it's a I

3046
02:03:32,960 --> 02:03:35,119
guess a conditional variance. We'll call

3047
02:03:35,119 --> 02:03:37,760
it a conditional variance.

3048
02:03:37,760 --> 02:03:40,159
And it is conditioned that it can stay

3049
02:03:40,159 --> 02:03:45,280
that way unless the city can

3050
02:03:45,280 --> 02:03:49,280
get the um fiber optics

3051
02:03:49,280 --> 02:03:53,199
to be replaced that would allow the

3052
02:03:53,199 --> 02:03:56,080
installation of the appropriate cover.

3053
02:03:56,080 --> 02:03:59,199
Um, and then if that happens, then you

3054
02:03:59,199 --> 02:04:02,639
get the you need get from him an

3055
02:04:02,639 --> 02:04:04,719
engineer drawing for that site plan of

3056
02:04:04,719 --> 02:04:06,320
whether to determine whether it's the

3057
02:04:06,320 --> 02:04:10,560
12-in minimum now or the 15in that was

3058
02:04:10,560 --> 02:04:11,440
proposed.

3059
02:04:11,440 --> 02:04:13,760
>> Okay.

3060
02:04:13,760 --> 02:04:16,639
>> Does that

3061
02:04:16,639 --> 02:04:18,719
make sense?

3062
02:04:18,719 --> 02:04:21,440
because I think in your particular case

3063
02:04:21,440 --> 02:04:24,159
it's the fiber optics

3064
02:04:24,159 --> 02:04:27,520
and you can't solve it but they can but

3065
02:04:27,520 --> 02:04:29,520
they're in the wrong place. if the if

3066
02:04:29,520 --> 02:04:30,800
they were in the right place and that

3067
02:04:30,800 --> 02:04:33,599
was the only thing then I don't think I

3068
02:04:33,599 --> 02:04:36,000
could go there but

3069
02:04:36,000 --> 02:04:36,560
um

3070
02:04:36,560 --> 02:04:39,119
>> I mean I don't know because you only

3071
02:04:39,119 --> 02:04:42,639
have a 10-ft I mean I don't know that

3072
02:04:42,639 --> 02:04:44,639
they're in the wrong place but I don't

3073
02:04:44,639 --> 02:04:47,520
because you have in that easement you

3074
02:04:47,520 --> 02:04:50,719
already have gas which we hit the gas

3075
02:04:50,719 --> 02:04:53,520
line when I did that because they had a

3076
02:04:53,520 --> 02:04:56,000
gas line that wasn't marked correctly

3077
02:04:56,000 --> 02:05:01,199
that you have power and you have fiber

3078
02:05:01,199 --> 02:05:03,760
and now you have another fiber line and

3079
02:05:03,760 --> 02:05:06,880
you cannot have your power and gas have

3080
02:05:06,880 --> 02:05:09,599
to be so far from each other and your

3081
02:05:09,599 --> 02:05:11,360
gas and your fiber have to be so far

3082
02:05:11,360 --> 02:05:13,199
from each other because they interfere

3083
02:05:13,199 --> 02:05:15,679
with one another. So I don't know in

3084
02:05:15,679 --> 02:05:18,239
that 10 or 12t I can't remember if it's

3085
02:05:18,239 --> 02:05:19,760
10 or 12t eastma but

3086
02:05:19,760 --> 02:05:24,000
>> it's probably 12t. So in that case, like

3087
02:05:24,000 --> 02:05:26,639
you only have

3088
02:05:26,639 --> 02:05:28,560
so much space. You can't put it in that

3089
02:05:28,560 --> 02:05:30,480
whole 12T section cuz you have to

3090
02:05:30,480 --> 02:05:31,760
accommodate gas and you can't

3091
02:05:31,760 --> 02:05:36,080
accommodate power. So I'm not 100% sure

3092
02:05:36,080 --> 02:05:39,440
that fiber is in the wrong spot. It may

3093
02:05:39,440 --> 02:05:41,679
have been where they could run it, but

3094
02:05:41,679 --> 02:05:44,000
it is in the wrong spot for putting in

3095
02:05:44,000 --> 02:05:46,639
that culvert for sure. But I'm just

3096
02:05:46,639 --> 02:05:50,239
saying that if a fiber company comes out

3097
02:05:50,239 --> 02:05:52,719
like and you tell them to move it 12

3098
02:05:52,719 --> 02:05:56,239
inches down and they hit the gas line

3099
02:05:56,239 --> 02:05:59,440
cuz it's in that exact same location cuz

3100
02:05:59,440 --> 02:06:02,159
I hit the gas line

3101
02:06:02,159 --> 02:06:04,320
and it wasn't marked that way. It wasn't

3102
02:06:04,320 --> 02:06:06,000
supposed to be that way. But because the

3103
02:06:06,000 --> 02:06:08,320
gas line was put in so long ago, they

3104
02:06:08,320 --> 02:06:09,840
didn't have their paperwork right. And

3105
02:06:09,840 --> 02:06:12,239
so I didn't even though I called in blue

3106
02:06:12,239 --> 02:06:14,560
stakes and they marked it. It wasn't

3107
02:06:14,560 --> 02:06:17,199
marked there and I hit it cuz it was an

3108
02:06:17,199 --> 02:06:20,480
old line. I'm just saying that I don't

3109
02:06:20,480 --> 02:06:23,199
know why that fiber is there. If there's

3110
02:06:23,199 --> 02:06:25,119
a reason why, but it is in the way of

3111
02:06:25,119 --> 02:06:28,159
the covert, but there are so many other

3112
02:06:28,159 --> 02:06:31,199
utilities running in there. I don't know

3113
02:06:31,199 --> 02:06:32,960
where they're going to run it, but it is

3114
02:06:32,960 --> 02:06:35,280
worth a phone call to say, can you guys

3115
02:06:35,280 --> 02:06:37,760
move this? Like I don't know. Yeah.

3116
02:06:37,760 --> 02:06:41,520
Well, it seems from

3117
02:06:41,520 --> 02:06:44,159
my perspective

3118
02:06:44,159 --> 02:06:47,750
that

3119
02:06:47,760 --> 02:06:50,000
to require him

3120
02:06:50,000 --> 02:06:52,079
to put in

3121
02:06:52,079 --> 02:06:54,560
to replace the existing 10 with another

3122
02:06:54,560 --> 02:06:58,880
12 increases his slope and screws up the

3123
02:06:58,880 --> 02:07:02,639
street. Is that fair? I mean, if he

3124
02:07:02,639 --> 02:07:04,320
doesn't change and go down farther, if

3125
02:07:04,320 --> 02:07:06,400
you took out what's there, and put in

3126
02:07:06,400 --> 02:07:08,639
what was supposed to be there, the 15,

3127
02:07:08,639 --> 02:07:10,239
that's going to raise you what, three to

3128
02:07:10,239 --> 02:07:11,920
five inches of

3129
02:07:11,920 --> 02:07:16,560
>> 5 in with the extra stuff. That's going

3130
02:07:16,560 --> 02:07:19,040
to screw up

3131
02:07:19,040 --> 02:07:22,639
street and the driveway.

3132
02:07:22,639 --> 02:07:24,239
>> Yeah. The other issues with the snow

3133
02:07:24,239 --> 02:07:25,360
plowing

3134
02:07:25,360 --> 02:07:28,000
>> and the snow plowing

3135
02:07:28,000 --> 02:07:32,239
and that would raise it. and so that he

3136
02:07:32,239 --> 02:07:33,920
doesn't have the ability to go lower

3137
02:07:33,920 --> 02:07:36,239
unless you guys figure out what the

3138
02:07:36,239 --> 02:07:39,280
problems are to solve. But if you solve

3139
02:07:39,280 --> 02:07:42,239
that, then I think he's got to

3140
02:07:42,239 --> 02:07:46,000
comply and do it. So, does that sound

3141
02:07:46,000 --> 02:07:47,760
like a conditional variance? And if they

3142
02:07:47,760 --> 02:07:50,239
sit on it, you get to sit on yours. And

3143
02:07:50,239 --> 02:07:51,760
if they don't sit on it, you're going to

3144
02:07:51,760 --> 02:07:53,679
have to act.

3145
02:07:53,679 --> 02:07:55,040
>> Okay. Yeah. I mean,

3146
02:07:55,040 --> 02:07:59,280
>> and then I think

3147
02:07:59,280 --> 02:08:03,199
we need to look at a economy of scale

3148
02:08:03,199 --> 02:08:06,639
too. Is that something that the city

3149
02:08:06,639 --> 02:08:09,840
>> wants to move forward with or just leave

3150
02:08:09,840 --> 02:08:13,920
it as it is? Is it

3151
02:08:13,920 --> 02:08:14,560
>> that well

3152
02:08:14,560 --> 02:08:15,199
>> worth?

3153
02:08:15,199 --> 02:08:16,560
>> And that's what I'm saying is it's

3154
02:08:16,560 --> 02:08:18,320
conditional. If they're not willing to

3155
02:08:18,320 --> 02:08:21,760
solve the problem that you can't solve

3156
02:08:21,760 --> 02:08:24,000
in light of the impact on the general

3157
02:08:24,000 --> 02:08:25,599
public,

3158
02:08:25,599 --> 02:08:27,440
then

3159
02:08:27,440 --> 02:08:30,560
you get the conditional variance. But if

3160
02:08:30,560 --> 02:08:33,760
they solve a problem

3161
02:08:33,760 --> 02:08:36,079
that should have been problem solved had

3162
02:08:36,079 --> 02:08:38,719
you not solved a problem on your own,

3163
02:08:38,719 --> 02:08:40,960
then um

3164
02:08:40,960 --> 02:08:42,159
>> Yeah, makes sense.

3165
02:08:42,159 --> 02:08:43,520
>> Yeah, I think that's fair.

3166
02:08:43,520 --> 02:08:47,599
>> Yeah. And I I mean I can only speak for

3167
02:08:47,599 --> 02:08:49,520
the time the couple years that I've been

3168
02:08:49,520 --> 02:08:51,599
up here and worked with the city. You

3169
02:08:51,599 --> 02:08:54,560
guys are great to work with. So

3170
02:08:54,560 --> 02:08:54,800
>> yeah.

3171
02:08:54,800 --> 02:08:56,159
>> Well, and you should say that whether or

3172
02:08:56,159 --> 02:08:58,159
not that's true or not, but I'm assuming

3173
02:08:58,159 --> 02:08:58,880
it's true.

3174
02:08:58,880 --> 02:09:02,079
>> I built in a lot of areas and there I

3175
02:09:02,079 --> 02:09:03,920
mean it's hard to build up here. I got

3176
02:09:03,920 --> 02:09:06,079
my butt kicked cuz I built my own home.

3177
02:09:06,079 --> 02:09:07,520
It was tough

3178
02:09:07,520 --> 02:09:09,440
>> like in the worst winter that we could

3179
02:09:09,440 --> 02:09:11,520
have. Me and my two boys as teenagers

3180
02:09:11,520 --> 02:09:13,760
building the home. So, there was some

3181
02:09:13,760 --> 02:09:17,280
real value there, but it was really, tough, right? And there's some

3182
02:09:17,280 --> 02:09:19,840
unique things up here. But the city was

3183
02:09:19,840 --> 02:09:21,920
great in every case when they didn't

3184
02:09:21,920 --> 02:09:24,880
have to be. It could have been me. You

3185
02:09:24,880 --> 02:09:26,239
know what I mean? And there's something

3186
02:09:26,239 --> 02:09:29,119
to say for that. We live by each other.

3187
02:09:29,119 --> 02:09:31,840
I enjoy seeing him every time. And

3188
02:09:31,840 --> 02:09:33,599
there's other places that that doesn't

3189
02:09:33,599 --> 02:09:37,119
exist. So, yeah, for that. See, and I

3190
02:09:37,119 --> 02:09:39,040
think the problem is is that there are

3191
02:09:39,040 --> 02:09:40,960
also two things. Is that if you don't

3192
02:09:40,960 --> 02:09:46,239
fix it, you've got the problems. If you require him if we required strict

3193
02:09:46,239 --> 02:09:48,320
compliance, it's going to cause him to

3194
02:09:48,320 --> 02:09:50,639
go out of compliance and affect the

3195
02:09:50,639 --> 02:09:52,159
street with the snow plows and

3196
02:09:52,159 --> 02:09:54,639
everything else and raising that. And

3197
02:09:54,639 --> 02:09:56,960
it's caused by a problem he can't solve

3198
02:09:56,960 --> 02:10:00,400
because of the existing utilities that

3199
02:10:00,400 --> 02:10:02,880
are there. And until that part's

3200
02:10:02,880 --> 02:10:05,360
cleared, I would give him a conditional

3201
02:10:05,360 --> 02:10:07,040
variance. But that if you solve those

3202
02:10:07,040 --> 02:10:08,480
problems and give him notice, he's got

3203
02:10:08,480 --> 02:10:09,520
to

3204
02:10:09,520 --> 02:10:09,840
>> Yeah.

3205
02:10:09,840 --> 02:10:10,480
>> got to

3206
02:10:10,480 --> 02:10:12,239
>> if they're doing it, I want to do it the

3207
02:10:12,239 --> 02:10:14,639
exact same time. We tear it up, we fix

3208
02:10:14,639 --> 02:10:16,719
it, and we have it put back down.

3209
02:10:16,719 --> 02:10:18,880
>> And I still have my deposits and

3210
02:10:18,880 --> 02:10:21,520
everything held. So, it's like it's

3211
02:10:21,520 --> 02:10:24,880
important to resolve now or not because

3212
02:10:24,880 --> 02:10:27,119
>> and we should be able to find out and

3213
02:10:27,119 --> 02:10:29,199
it's not something that we're going to

3214
02:10:29,199 --> 02:10:31,520
oh, we'll get around to it when we can.

3215
02:10:31,520 --> 02:10:34,159
We we need to address it now

3216
02:10:34,159 --> 02:10:38,159
>> in fairness to him. So do I give you a a

3217
02:10:38,159 --> 02:10:39,760
year limit to do it?

3218
02:10:39,760 --> 02:10:44,870
>> Yeah.

3219
02:10:44,880 --> 02:10:46,639
» And if it doesn't happen in a year then

3220
02:10:46,639 --> 02:10:49,199
the con the variance becomes

3221
02:10:49,199 --> 02:10:51,199
>> permanent or unc or

3222
02:10:51,199 --> 02:10:52,000
>> becomes unconditional

3223
02:10:52,000 --> 02:10:54,159
>> unconditional.

3224
02:10:54,159 --> 02:10:56,880
>> Yeah. I mean I think we all know that it

3225
02:10:56,880 --> 02:10:59,280
happens in the next 6 months because of

3226
02:10:59,280 --> 02:10:59,760
snow.

3227
02:10:59,760 --> 02:11:00,239
>> Yeah.

3228
02:11:00,239 --> 02:11:01,520
>> Right. So,

3229
02:11:01,520 --> 02:11:03,679
>> well, yeah, I want to I want to give the

3230
02:11:03,679 --> 02:11:06,320
option to get past winter.

3231
02:11:06,320 --> 02:11:07,040
>> Yeah.

3232
02:11:07,040 --> 02:11:09,599
>> Um,

3233
02:11:09,599 --> 02:11:11,119
>> yeah.

3234
02:11:11,119 --> 02:11:13,119
Now,

3235
02:11:13,119 --> 02:11:15,679
changing the subject just a little bit.

3236
02:11:15,679 --> 02:11:18,480
The other issue I don't we have we've

3237
02:11:18,480 --> 02:11:19,920
addressed it I guess maybe in a

3238
02:11:19,920 --> 02:11:22,560
roundabout way. It's not the driveway

3239
02:11:22,560 --> 02:11:24,480
slope.

3240
02:11:24,480 --> 02:11:26,639
It's the setback

3241
02:11:26,639 --> 02:11:28,719
for the driveway. It's extending into

3242
02:11:28,719 --> 02:11:30,639
that side into into the setback

3243
02:11:30,639 --> 02:11:33,440
>> but it doesn't have any right but it

3244
02:11:33,440 --> 02:11:35,040
doesn't have anything to do with slope.

3245
02:11:35,040 --> 02:11:38,480
you mentioned slope and so I was

3246
02:11:38,480 --> 02:11:40,719
>> okay then excuse I thought we'd talk

3247
02:11:40,719 --> 02:11:42,639
about the elongating that it went into

3248
02:11:42,639 --> 02:11:44,719
this slope to give to deal with this

3249
02:11:44,719 --> 02:11:49,280
slope down here that that the elongation

3250
02:11:49,280 --> 02:11:54,560
into the setback those cars created in

3251
02:11:54,560 --> 02:11:58,159
order to get this slope this slope could

3252
02:11:58,159 --> 02:12:00,400
never be fixed because it's only

3253
02:12:00,400 --> 02:12:02,400
conditioned between here and here with

3254
02:12:02,400 --> 02:12:04,960
the two driveways the reason why This

3255
02:12:04,960 --> 02:12:08,239
was elongated was to get this slope

3256
02:12:08,239 --> 02:12:10,560
to get that original from here.

3257
02:12:10,560 --> 02:12:12,079
>> But you're in the setback. Not there.

3258
02:12:12,079 --> 02:12:13,760
The slope. You're in the setback over

3259
02:12:13,760 --> 02:12:14,639
here, right?

3260
02:12:14,639 --> 02:12:18,639
>> No, this has got your 20 foot. This set

3261
02:12:18,639 --> 02:12:21,920
this the only area that is impeded in

3262
02:12:21,920 --> 02:12:24,639
that 20ft section is right here.

3263
02:12:24,639 --> 02:12:26,400
>> And it's to accommodate this lower half

3264
02:12:26,400 --> 02:12:29,040
because this upper half I guess we could

3265
02:12:29,040 --> 02:12:30,960
have done the same thing and got within

3266
02:12:30,960 --> 02:12:33,199
5 ft of the property line here. So, it's

3267
02:12:33,199 --> 02:12:34,560
the front yard setback that you're

3268
02:12:34,560 --> 02:12:35,119
repeating.

3269
02:12:35,119 --> 02:12:35,679
>> Yes, it

3270
02:12:35,679 --> 02:12:38,239
>> it's a sideyard actually.

3271
02:12:38,239 --> 02:12:40,880
>> Okay. These two, this sideyard.

3272
02:12:40,880 --> 02:12:43,840
>> Yes, that's the one that's to be is that

3273
02:12:43,840 --> 02:12:45,760
the driveway is supposed to be 20 ft

3274
02:12:45,760 --> 02:12:47,360
away from that side.

3275
02:12:47,360 --> 02:12:50,400
>> Oh, so it should be 20 ft. So, it should

3276
02:12:50,400 --> 02:12:52,800
be Well, oh, you're saying the driveway

3277
02:12:52,800 --> 02:12:55,119
is within the 20 ft here.

3278
02:12:55,119 --> 02:12:57,840
>> Yes, correct. It's 10 ft off instead of

3279
02:12:57,840 --> 02:13:00,639
20. And it was I moved it there to get

3280
02:13:00,639 --> 02:13:03,199
this lower half compliant with slope.

3281
02:13:03,199 --> 02:13:05,360
>> Okay. Thank you for bringing out. I

3282
02:13:05,360 --> 02:13:07,119
thought it was this part.

3283
02:13:07,119 --> 02:13:07,920
>> Okay.

3284
02:13:07,920 --> 02:13:09,599
>> So,

3285
02:13:09,599 --> 02:13:11,679
you agree? Okay. Yeah.

3286
02:13:11,679 --> 02:13:13,360
>> And I don't have a problem with that

3287
02:13:13,360 --> 02:13:15,760
either, but I mean to do it, but

3288
02:13:15,760 --> 02:13:17,199
>> cuz I thought the purpose of the

3289
02:13:17,199 --> 02:13:20,079
elongating where it's just going into a

3290
02:13:20,079 --> 02:13:20,960
different one than I thought.

3291
02:13:20,960 --> 02:13:25,280
>> And he he took it way over here so that

3292
02:13:25,280 --> 02:13:27,119
he could meet this slope here.

3293
02:13:27,119 --> 02:13:29,440
>> Right. Well, and I understood

3294
02:13:29,440 --> 02:13:33,599
>> because if he if he came in 20 ft, it it

3295
02:13:33,599 --> 02:13:36,079
>> I was sitting at 17%. So,

3296
02:13:36,079 --> 02:13:38,000
>> but you're focusing it was the it's a

3297
02:13:38,000 --> 02:13:40,400
setback from the driveway

3298
02:13:40,400 --> 02:13:41,360
to the property.

3299
02:13:41,360 --> 02:13:41,760
>> Yes.

3300
02:13:41,760 --> 02:13:42,239
>> Yeah.

3301
02:13:42,239 --> 02:13:43,280
>> Not to the

3302
02:13:43,280 --> 02:13:45,199
>> not the driveway itself.

3303
02:13:45,199 --> 02:13:46,719
>> Yes.

3304
02:13:46,719 --> 02:13:50,239
So, that should be if it is now 10,

3305
02:13:50,239 --> 02:13:51,599
should it be 20?

3306
02:13:51,599 --> 02:13:54,159
>> Yeah. So he needs a variance in if

3307
02:13:54,159 --> 02:13:55,440
you're willing to grant it if

3308
02:13:55,440 --> 02:13:58,239
>> I am. I mean I was that

3309
02:13:58,239 --> 02:14:00,000
>> I thought it was over here but it's over

3310
02:14:00,000 --> 02:14:00,639
there.

3311
02:14:00,639 --> 02:14:01,920
>> Yeah. I just wanted

3312
02:14:01,920 --> 02:14:03,040
>> Yeah, it's on the east side of the

3313
02:14:03,040 --> 02:14:03,440
property.

3314
02:14:03,440 --> 02:14:04,960
>> Clarification.

3315
02:14:04,960 --> 02:14:06,400
>> So technically are you considering

3316
02:14:06,400 --> 02:14:10,870
that's a

3317
02:14:10,880 --> 02:14:13,599
for describing that that's within the 20

3318
02:14:13,599 --> 02:14:16,400
foot front setbacker? Is that the

3319
02:14:16,400 --> 02:14:19,520
separation of a driveway from 20 ft from

3320
02:14:19,520 --> 02:14:20,480
the sideyard?

3321
02:14:20,480 --> 02:14:23,199
>> It's a side. It's a side property line.

3322
02:14:23,199 --> 02:14:27,280
>> Okay, that's what

3323
02:14:27,280 --> 02:14:29,199
>> and either side wherever that

3324
02:14:29,199 --> 02:14:29,679
>> okay

3325
02:14:29,679 --> 02:14:31,040
>> making difference where they place the

3326
02:14:31,040 --> 02:14:33,520
driveway. It has to be 20 ft away. And

3327
02:14:33,520 --> 02:14:36,880
you know, you know why that was

3328
02:14:36,880 --> 02:14:39,920
implemented years ago

3329
02:14:39,920 --> 02:14:41,760
so that

3330
02:14:41,760 --> 02:14:44,880
people who are snowblowing their

3331
02:14:44,880 --> 02:14:47,520
driveway wouldn't throw it on their

3332
02:14:47,520 --> 02:14:49,679
neighbor's yard.

3333
02:14:49,679 --> 02:14:52,639
So they gave him 20 feet to throw the

3334
02:14:52,639 --> 02:14:55,760
snow off their driveway.

3335
02:14:55,760 --> 02:14:57,280
>> When you when you said that about the

3336
02:14:57,280 --> 02:14:59,520
front setback, I was kind of throwing

3337
02:14:59,520 --> 02:15:03,679
me. So I It's the 20 ft from

3338
02:15:03,679 --> 02:15:05,679
>> That's real up here. Yeah.

3339
02:15:05,679 --> 02:15:07,040
>> Yeah.

3340
02:15:07,040 --> 02:15:09,199
>> Well, and you know, you have such an

3341
02:15:09,199 --> 02:15:10,639
interesting environment. I mean, that's

3342
02:15:10,639 --> 02:15:13,040
why people come is because you have such

3343
02:15:13,040 --> 02:15:16,560
a great, you know, natural environment.

3344
02:15:16,560 --> 02:15:19,119
But boy, it brings, you know, drainage

3345
02:15:19,119 --> 02:15:20,639
and,

3346
02:15:20,639 --> 02:15:22,560
you know, wildfire.

3347
02:15:22,560 --> 02:15:25,440
>> Yeah. A lot of other things.

3348
02:15:25,440 --> 02:15:27,280
>> And and I guess I'm a little more having

3349
02:15:27,280 --> 02:15:28,960
been to Kawaii and see where, you know,

3350
02:15:28,960 --> 02:15:31,360
streams where they were just dry ditches

3351
02:15:31,360 --> 02:15:33,599
before and now they, you know, people's

3352
02:15:33,599 --> 02:15:35,360
homes were flooded and

3353
02:15:35,360 --> 02:15:37,360
>> streets and cars were,

3354
02:15:37,360 --> 02:15:39,199
>> well, cars weren't, but I mean, boulder

3355
02:15:39,199 --> 02:15:42,400
and it was, it was interesting to

3356
02:15:42,400 --> 02:15:45,040
>> It's scary when mother nature does their

3357
02:15:45,040 --> 02:15:45,599
thing.

3358
02:15:45,599 --> 02:15:47,280
>> Yeah. We don't live in a climate that

3359
02:15:47,280 --> 02:15:49,119
you'd ever have that kind of water.

3360
02:15:49,119 --> 02:15:51,679
We're not the same. But

3361
02:15:51,679 --> 02:15:53,440
>> it only takes months.

3362
02:15:53,440 --> 02:15:55,599
>> We do have some crazy storms. We

3363
02:15:55,599 --> 02:15:56,560
actually had

3364
02:15:56,560 --> 02:15:58,480
>> Well, we did all that mitigation though

3365
02:15:58,480 --> 02:16:01,440
a couple of years ago because of all

3366
02:16:01,440 --> 02:16:03,760
that stuff coming down the canyon.

3367
02:16:03,760 --> 02:16:05,760
>> Right. From the fire, right?

3368
02:16:05,760 --> 02:16:07,119
>> Yes. Because of fire.

3369
02:16:07,119 --> 02:16:09,520
>> That's what right now with the

3370
02:16:09,520 --> 02:16:12,079
vegetation, it's amazing. The vegetation

3371
02:16:12,079 --> 02:16:14,800
takes all the moisture. There's so many

3372
02:16:14,800 --> 02:16:16,400
trees, but as soon as you have a fire

3373
02:16:16,400 --> 02:16:17,920
and you don't have that vegetation,

3374
02:16:17,920 --> 02:16:19,520
that's when you have the

3375
02:16:19,520 --> 02:16:21,119
>> But then you have the mudslide, too. I

3376
02:16:21,119 --> 02:16:22,560
lived in Saratoga and we had the

3377
02:16:22,560 --> 02:16:23,760
mudslide.

3378
02:16:23,760 --> 02:16:24,960
>> I was going to say you have this

3379
02:16:24,960 --> 02:16:27,599
mudslide usually faster because you've

3380
02:16:27,599 --> 02:16:29,440
lost not only the trees, but you've lost

3381
02:16:29,440 --> 02:16:31,840
the grass to hold it in place.

3382
02:16:31,840 --> 02:16:32,639
>> Yeah.

3383
02:16:32,639 --> 02:16:34,960
And that went we only had rain for

3384
02:16:34,960 --> 02:16:38,000
45 minutes and we had a wall of water

3385
02:16:38,000 --> 02:16:40,080
come through our subdivision that was

3386
02:16:40,080 --> 02:16:44,000
450 ft wide and 4t tall but it was 90%

3387
02:16:44,000 --> 02:16:45,840
mud and boulders

3388
02:16:45,840 --> 02:16:47,519
>> and the only thing that saved the kids

3389
02:16:47,519 --> 02:16:49,920
that were in the streets was the fact

3390
02:16:49,920 --> 02:16:51,679
that when it rained it started hailing.

3391
02:16:51,679 --> 02:16:53,679
So all the kids went in. It was a

3392
02:16:53,679 --> 02:16:56,000
Saturday night at 7:00 p.m. I was

3393
02:16:56,000 --> 02:16:57,840
watching the BYU game and my neighbor

3394
02:16:57,840 --> 02:16:59,359
came running over

3395
02:16:59,359 --> 02:17:02,160
>> and he and it banging on the door cuz it

3396
02:17:02,160 --> 02:17:05,040
missed our house by one lot, me and him.

3397
02:17:05,040 --> 02:17:06,800
>> And he yelled, "Can you hear that?" And

3398
02:17:06,800 --> 02:17:08,559
I said, "Yeah, I thought it was just

3399
02:17:08,559 --> 02:17:10,639
rain." He's like, "It's a mudslide." And

3400
02:17:10,639 --> 02:17:12,000
so I run out there and there's a

3401
02:17:12,000 --> 02:17:14,000
mudslide taken out. It took out 14

3402
02:17:14,000 --> 02:17:14,479
homes.

3403
02:17:14,479 --> 02:17:15,280
>> Oh goodness.

3404
02:17:15,280 --> 02:17:19,280
>> But that's what we had a fire in July,

3405
02:17:19,280 --> 02:17:21,200
June, July. And that happened. And it

3406
02:17:21,200 --> 02:17:25,439
was the Saturday of um Labor Day

3407
02:17:25,439 --> 02:17:27,040
weekend, that first week of September.

3408
02:17:27,040 --> 02:17:29,359
>> Was that fast? So you still

3409
02:17:29,359 --> 02:17:30,319
>> Yeah.

3410
02:17:30,319 --> 02:17:30,960
>> chance.

3411
02:17:30,960 --> 02:17:32,080
>> Well, thank you.

3412
02:17:32,080 --> 02:17:33,920
>> Okay.

3413
02:17:33,920 --> 02:17:36,399
And you'll write that up then. I

3414
02:17:36,399 --> 02:17:39,599
will um for those and um

3415
02:17:39,599 --> 02:17:41,840
>> thanks for supplying me some words for

3416
02:17:41,840 --> 02:17:43,599
what I wanted to

3417
02:17:43,599 --> 02:17:45,519
>> that exterior suppression because I it

3418
02:17:45,519 --> 02:17:47,439
just seems to me that that was a

3419
02:17:47,439 --> 02:17:49,359
solution that

3420
02:17:49,359 --> 02:17:51,280
>> I'm sure I wasn't the first one to think

3421
02:17:51,280 --> 02:17:54,160
of. So, I'm I'm doing a big project up

3422
02:17:54,160 --> 02:17:58,559
in Park City at the East Village of Deer

3423
02:17:58,559 --> 02:18:02,319
Creek Deer Valley Ski Resort. And this

3424
02:18:02,319 --> 02:18:04,719
has come into play in the last 3 months

3425
02:18:04,719 --> 02:18:07,920
because WOOI has changed all of their

3426
02:18:07,920 --> 02:18:11,200
they've updated their paths where embers

3427
02:18:11,200 --> 02:18:14,639
could drop and we weren't in a zone and

3428
02:18:14,639 --> 02:18:18,000
now we are in a zone and we're building

3429
02:18:18,000 --> 02:18:21,200
50 town homes that are between 12 and

3430
02:18:21,200 --> 02:18:25,280
$18 million a piece and all of those are

3431
02:18:25,280 --> 02:18:28,639
now uninsurable unless we up it. So,

3432
02:18:28,639 --> 02:18:30,160
we've had to do exterior fire

3433
02:18:30,160 --> 02:18:33,599
sprinklers. We had to do a class A fire

3434
02:18:33,599 --> 02:18:36,000
uh roof system. So, funny enough, I was

3435
02:18:36,000 --> 02:18:37,519
sitting there. I'm like, I know the

3436
02:18:37,519 --> 02:18:39,679
answer cuz I'm dealing with it in my

3437
02:18:39,679 --> 02:18:40,639
work every day.

3438
02:18:40,639 --> 02:18:41,200
>> Yeah.

3439
02:18:41,200 --> 02:18:43,920
>> And Yeah. These homes are It's not worth

3440
02:18:43,920 --> 02:18:46,240
it. $15 million. It's never worth the

3441
02:18:46,240 --> 02:18:48,319
$15 million town. But

3442
02:18:48,319 --> 02:18:50,800
>> the extra that you're doing, is that to

3443
02:18:50,800 --> 02:18:54,080
comply with with park or other

3444
02:18:54,080 --> 02:18:56,240
ordinances up there? It's just extra.

3445
02:18:56,240 --> 02:18:57,200
>> It's only for

3446
02:18:57,200 --> 02:18:58,319
>> insurance purposes.

3447
02:18:58,319 --> 02:19:02,080
>> Yes. So, and one of the good things is

3448
02:19:02,080 --> 02:19:03,840
that came out of the terrible fires of

3449
02:19:03,840 --> 02:19:06,160
Southern California was the insurance

3450
02:19:06,160 --> 02:19:08,160
companies were hit so hard that now that

3451
02:19:08,160 --> 02:19:09,840
they're they are communicating much

3452
02:19:09,840 --> 02:19:12,800
better with like us builders up front

3453
02:19:12,800 --> 02:19:15,040
and saying, "Hey, it's and it's

3454
02:19:15,040 --> 02:19:16,880
happening because of the people funding

3455
02:19:16,880 --> 02:19:18,960
it saying, hey, we're funding this

3456
02:19:18,960 --> 02:19:21,040
project. We need to make sure

3457
02:19:21,040 --> 02:19:22,639
>> that we're insurable." and they're

3458
02:19:22,639 --> 02:19:24,160
coming back to us in the building

3459
02:19:24,160 --> 02:19:26,240
process even before there's an owner

3460
02:19:26,240 --> 02:19:29,519
saying this is not insurable with that

3461
02:19:29,519 --> 02:19:31,280
unless you do this and this and this and

3462
02:19:31,280 --> 02:19:33,679
it's added costs but could you imagine

3463
02:19:33,679 --> 02:19:36,000
buying a $15 million town home and then

3464
02:19:36,000 --> 02:19:38,000
you cannot have insurance

3465
02:19:38,000 --> 02:19:39,200
>> it would be horrible

3466
02:19:39,200 --> 02:19:42,479
>> and I and I think that you know I know

3467
02:19:42,479 --> 02:19:44,639
it was a long time ago and stuff but I

3468
02:19:44,639 --> 02:19:46,559
and I don't remember now exactly but

3469
02:19:46,559 --> 02:19:49,920
those fires that kind of sparked the you

3470
02:19:49,920 --> 02:19:51,760
know the wooie is what you're calling

3471
02:19:51,760 --> 02:19:54,399
and to come in those urban fires and

3472
02:19:54,399 --> 02:19:57,520
>> you know it just um and and I know it's

3473
02:19:57,520 --> 02:19:58,880
affected community you know it's

3474
02:19:58,880 --> 02:20:01,120
particularly not even Park City but

3475
02:20:01,120 --> 02:20:03,600
would there but even farther ones up you

3476
02:20:03,600 --> 02:20:04,960
know about how close you can

3477
02:20:04,960 --> 02:20:05,359
>> yes

3478
02:20:05,359 --> 02:20:07,439
>> have stuff things and and you think oh

3479
02:20:07,439 --> 02:20:10,319
it's just crazy and then you see these

3480
02:20:10,319 --> 02:20:12,000
horrible fires that are happening and

3481
02:20:12,000 --> 02:20:12,720
you realize that

3482
02:20:12,720 --> 02:20:15,920
>> take out entire towns yeah

3483
02:20:15,920 --> 02:20:18,960
>> and you realize that we're building

3484
02:20:18,960 --> 02:20:20,800
right where we shouldn't be building in

3485
02:20:20,800 --> 02:20:23,520
a lot of cases This is a beautiful area,

3486
02:20:23,520 --> 02:20:25,840
but it probably wasn't designed by God

3487
02:20:25,840 --> 02:20:27,920
for building it. Even though now that we

3488
02:20:27,920 --> 02:20:29,680
live here, we're grateful we're here,

3489
02:20:29,680 --> 02:20:31,760
but he probably gave us that valley, but

3490
02:20:31,760 --> 02:20:34,080
we want to live here.

3491
02:20:34,080 --> 02:20:34,560
>> Yeah.

3492
02:20:34,560 --> 02:20:36,080
>> Well, others might say, "Well, he gave

3493
02:20:36,080 --> 02:20:37,840
us the valley so we can plant food in

3494
02:20:37,840 --> 02:20:38,399
it." But

3495
02:20:38,399 --> 02:20:40,399
>> that's true.

3496
02:20:40,399 --> 02:20:42,399
>> And I grew up on a potato farm in Idaho,

3497
02:20:42,399 --> 02:20:45,520
so I could empathize with that one, too.

3498
02:20:45,520 --> 02:20:46,880
>> It It's crazy.

3499
02:20:46,880 --> 02:20:48,479
>> Did you want to take this with you?

3500
02:20:48,479 --> 02:20:50,399
>> No, I want you to keep that. I want you

3501
02:20:50,399 --> 02:20:52,880
to mark it and keep it with that.

3502
02:20:52,880 --> 02:20:55,120
>> And um I would imagine that Jod has

3503
02:20:55,120 --> 02:20:56,479
probably set up

3504
02:20:56,479 --> 02:20:58,560
>> some kind of a filing system for the

3505
02:20:58,560 --> 02:20:59,280
thing

3506
02:20:59,280 --> 02:21:01,200
>> and I'd fold it up and mark it and put

3507
02:21:01,200 --> 02:21:03,359
it in there so it's it's with you.

3508
02:21:03,359 --> 02:21:06,000
>> We'll do and then we'll

3509
02:21:06,000 --> 02:21:08,319
>> Well, I do this cuz I

3510
02:21:08,319 --> 02:21:09,840
>> Thank you for your time.

3511
02:21:09,840 --> 02:21:10,240
>> Well,

3512
02:21:10,240 --> 02:21:10,960
>> yes.

3513
02:21:10,960 --> 02:21:11,520
>> And

3514
02:21:11,520 --> 02:21:13,280
>> appreciate it.

3515
02:21:13,280 --> 02:21:16,720
>> And I appreciate you coming. Like it's

3516
02:21:16,720 --> 02:21:20,000
great help. great help to be able to

3517
02:21:20,000 --> 02:21:22,800
work as a team and figure out its best

3518
02:21:22,800 --> 02:21:25,920
to really I really appreciate you coming

3519
02:21:25,920 --> 02:21:27,520
down from Salt Lake and being

3520
02:21:27,520 --> 02:21:29,200
>> Well, I'm coming out and if you hadn't

3521
02:21:29,200 --> 02:21:31,040
have been able to say that it was the

3522
02:21:31,040 --> 02:21:32,640
fiber octave problems or that you

3523
02:21:32,640 --> 02:21:34,080
couldn't do it because of the stuff that

3524
02:21:34,080 --> 02:21:35,439
was already there, I probably would have

3525
02:21:35,439 --> 02:21:37,680
made you do it anyway.

3526
02:21:37,680 --> 02:21:40,479
Well, I only know it was cuz I was the

3527
02:21:40,479 --> 02:21:43,920
one with the shovel digging. And so,

3528
02:21:43,920 --> 02:21:47,359
yeah, I I did I did it without approval,

3529
02:21:47,359 --> 02:21:49,359
but I didn't do it recklessly cuz it's

3530
02:21:49,359 --> 02:21:52,319
my own property, right? Like I'm like,

3531
02:21:52,319 --> 02:21:54,319
what else do I do here?

3532
02:21:54,319 --> 02:21:54,880
>> But yeah,

3533
02:21:54,880 --> 02:21:56,000
>> next time call.

3534
02:21:56,000 --> 02:21:59,280
>> Yes. But what I was battling is it was

3535
02:21:59,280 --> 02:22:02,560
September and October we get snow here.

3536
02:22:02,560 --> 02:22:04,560
So, you're battling. If I didn't put

3537
02:22:04,560 --> 02:22:07,359
down an asphalt there, I couldn't have

3538
02:22:07,359 --> 02:22:10,240
occupied that house. And it was when the

3539
02:22:10,240 --> 02:22:12,160
interest rates were going up, I'd never

3540
02:22:12,160 --> 02:22:15,200
said this, but we it was because I built

3541
02:22:15,200 --> 02:22:18,880
it myself. I was always behind schedule.

3542
02:22:18,880 --> 02:22:21,760
And but my last 4 months of my loan, I

3543
02:22:21,760 --> 02:22:25,040
ended up paying over $50,000 in fees.

3544
02:22:25,040 --> 02:22:26,800
They extend the 4 months, but the bank

3545
02:22:26,800 --> 02:22:28,720
wouldn't let me extend any further

3546
02:22:28,720 --> 02:22:31,120
without adjusting my interest rate, and

3547
02:22:31,120 --> 02:22:32,560
it would have jumped my payment like

3548
02:22:32,560 --> 02:22:34,240
$2,000 a month,

3549
02:22:34,240 --> 02:22:35,520
>> which then meant I wouldn't have been

3550
02:22:35,520 --> 02:22:38,640
able to live in the home. So, it was

3551
02:22:38,640 --> 02:22:42,720
I I did that calculated knowing if I had

3552
02:22:42,720 --> 02:22:45,359
to pay to rip out that driveway, it's

3553
02:22:45,359 --> 02:22:48,000
cheaper than what I'm faced with now.

3554
02:22:48,000 --> 02:22:50,000
So, it's the it's the best or the worst

3555
02:22:50,000 --> 02:22:51,680
two options, right?

3556
02:22:51,680 --> 02:22:54,080
>> So, it's a calculated risk and

3557
02:22:54,080 --> 02:22:54,720
>> Yeah.

3558
02:22:54,720 --> 02:22:58,479
>> Um and and and we

3559
02:22:58,479 --> 02:23:00,399
and you would have gotten tagged. Well,

3560
02:23:00,399 --> 02:23:01,200
you got tagged.

3561
02:23:01,200 --> 02:23:02,080
>> Yeah.

3562
02:23:02,080 --> 02:23:06,880
>> And and you and had they not been there,

3563
02:23:06,880 --> 02:23:08,160
you would have you would have been

3564
02:23:08,160 --> 02:23:09,920
>> I would have had the 12 in. I wouldn't

3565
02:23:09,920 --> 02:23:13,520
have had the 15. It's in my mind.

3566
02:23:13,520 --> 02:23:13,920
>> Yeah.

3567
02:23:13,920 --> 02:23:16,640
And there was there was nothing we

3568
02:23:16,640 --> 02:23:18,080
could or should have done about it

3569
02:23:18,080 --> 02:23:19,359
because it's co.

3570
02:23:19,359 --> 02:23:21,760
>> So, you know, it's on us.

3571
02:23:21,760 --> 02:23:22,080
>> Yeah.

3572
02:23:22,080 --> 02:23:24,240
>> If it's not good, then we need to change

3573
02:23:24,240 --> 02:23:24,960
it. So,

3574
02:23:24,960 --> 02:23:25,920
>> yeah.

3575
02:23:25,920 --> 02:23:27,040
>> Well, thank you. It was good to meet

3576
02:23:27,040 --> 02:23:27,600
you.

3577
02:23:27,600 --> 02:23:28,640
>> Appreciate the time.

3578
02:23:28,640 --> 02:23:31,120
>> Very good. Thank you very much.

3579
02:23:31,120 --> 02:23:33,200
>> Yeah. Appreciate it.

3580
02:23:33,200 --> 02:23:37,270
>> Like always,

3581
02:23:37,280 --> 02:23:39,840
» if we want to meet out there and talk

3582
02:23:39,840 --> 02:23:42,960
about it, kind of look at it together,

3583
02:23:42,960 --> 02:23:48,790
let me know. Okay.

3584
02:23:48,800 --> 02:23:51,960
See how