[0:05] Hey, did we change our internet
[0:07] password?
[0:08] >> Okay, sorry that we were a little late
[0:09] there, Brian. I uh to be completely
[0:12] candid, just lost track of time, looked
[0:14] down at my watch and it was 5 till.
[0:18] So, but we're here 3 minutes after. I'm
[0:21] feeling pretty good about that. Um like
[0:23] to welcome everybody to city council
[0:25] meeting today, uh April 28th, 2026. Um
[0:29] we are actually going to start with our
[0:31] work session. Uh number one considering
[0:35] a petition from Northern Slope LLC
[0:38] Summit Creek for the annexation of 5.36
[0:41] acre portion of land associated with
[0:44] parcel 300770226
[0:50] and the acceptance of a change in zoning
[0:53] for said parcel of land. And that zoning
[0:56] is actually just a request to send it to
[0:58] the planning commission. But Bucky, do
[1:01] you have anything you want to present to
[1:03] the council?
[1:04] >> So, there should be a map um should be a
[1:08] map on your desk that looks like this.
[1:12] So, the portion we're talking about is
[1:14] this pink portion.
[1:17] Um [clears throat] we've been working on
[1:19] this. We got our master plan reapproved
[1:21] with the city I think in 2023
[1:26] and uh we contemplated trying to get
[1:29] this annexed from Elkridge into Wooden
[1:32] Hills so we could develop it with our
[1:34] last phase. Um we've been working on
[1:37] this with Elkridge for a little over two
[1:40] years now and I think we've I think
[1:43] we've uh gone through their whole
[1:46] process. I think they're agreable to
[1:48] this now. That's that's my
[1:49] understanding. And now they're waiting
[1:51] for Woodland Hills to to approve it and
[1:55] accept it if if they're willing so that
[1:57] we can develop it. It would turn into
[1:59] basically three lots as you can see on
[2:01] the map. And uh um it's a lot easier for
[2:05] us to develop that as part of moving
[2:07] hills than than Elridge. It's it's impos
[2:10] I don't know I guess technically not
[2:12] impossible but it's it's difficult for
[2:13] Oakidge to service those properties. So, that's kind of high level. I don't
[2:19] know if if if uh anything I'm missing or
[2:22] if you have any questions or anything.
[2:25] >> What what were some of the concerns from
[2:27] you mentioned a couple years to work
[2:28] with Elidge. What were some of their
[2:30] concerns about the annexation?
[2:33] Um, so, uh, Loafer Canyon Road has had
[2:38] some flooding, not from this, but I
[2:43] think there's various, um, various areas
[2:46] that have contributed to, um, to Loafer
[2:50] Canyon getting flooded on when there's,
[2:52] you know, heavy storms or runoff. And
[2:54] so, what they tied to this was a lower
[2:58] portion of our property. They wanted us
[2:59] to increase the retention pond. And so
[3:03] we significantly made some improvements
[3:05] to to the current retention pond that we
[3:09] have down there. And it took it took a
[3:13] couple years to kind of come to that
[3:16] agreement and conclusion and for us to
[3:18] do the work and for them to accept it
[3:20] and
[3:20] >> so the work's complete.
[3:22] >> Yeah. So
[3:23] >> So did you do that work in good faith
[3:25] that once complete that they would be
[3:28] compliant to let you do it and then
[3:30] >> Yeah. I mean truthfully whether whether
[3:32] it gets approved or not I mean we don't want to be contributing to
[3:36] >> flooding. So
[3:38] >> okay
[3:39] >> so we felt you know we felt like it was
[3:42] just the right thing to do.
[3:43] >> Yeah. Okay. So, it's just those three
[3:45] parcels.
[3:47] >> It's just a portion.
[3:48] >> It's a portion of one parcel, but we
[3:50] will request if the city will accept
[3:53] this, our final plat will will seek
[3:57] approval to turn that into three lots
[3:59] and that.
[3:59] >> That's what I meant. The future that's
[4:01] what your anticipation is by annexing
[4:04] this in it will be those three
[4:06] additional lots.
[4:07] >> Yeah, correct.
[4:09] One thing I failed to mention, this
[4:10] property, this five acres is right on
[4:12] the crest.
[4:13] >> Yeah.
[4:14] >> And so, I mean, it's [clears throat]
[4:16] it's a steep hillside. We first sought
[4:19] to let Elidge
[4:21] uh move the entire parcel into Woodland
[4:23] Hills, but they only wanted to do the
[4:26] portion that we could develop. So,
[4:31] I see. So even though you own the rest
[4:34] of it at this point that's on the lower
[4:36] part and you don't have plans for
[4:38] development yet.
[4:40] >> We have yeah current I mean we don't
[4:42] have any plans to develop that that
[4:44] portion. So
[4:47] yeah
[4:50] >> what would be the change in the lot
[4:52] sizes of those three because right now
[4:54] you've got one and a half sitting on
[4:55] there about am I reading that right
[4:58] >> or are those lots currently as you would
[5:00] like to have them? Yeah, they're current
[5:02] they're showing
[5:03] >> they're showing what you're looking for.
[5:04] Okay.
[5:05] >> Yeah, they're all a little over an acre.
[5:06] The zoning are 119 which matches
[5:09] >> the rest of the Okay.
[5:10] >> Yeah.
[5:11] >> I just wanted to make sure that that
[5:13] wasn't your original plan and then the
[5:14] eventics that you want to now take that
[5:16] annex portion and make
[5:18] >> additional ones in there.
[5:20] >> See seems like from some of the other
[5:21] ones we've done that were on the border
[5:23] that it's you know Woodland Hills it's
[5:26] Woodland Hills roads to get to those
[5:28] properties and to for fire and snow and
[5:30] everything. So that's why they need to
[5:32] be annexed in so that we could service
[5:33] them, right?
[5:35] >> Yeah.
[5:35] >> Because otherwise, how how would
[5:37] Elgridge get to them?
[5:39] >> Yeah.
[5:41] >> Um what are some of the engineering
[5:45] I mean it's very steep, right? What were
[5:47] some of the engineering complexities of
[5:49] that you guys considered that would you
[5:51] know obviously anytime you're building
[5:53] on an edge of anything just ask some
[5:55] folks up in Draper
[5:57] >> Yeah.
[5:57] >> how that goes, right? So what are some
[5:59] of the steps you've taken um from an
[6:01] engineering perspective?
[6:03] >> Yeah, so the build pads that will be on
[6:06] our on our final plat and our final plat
[6:10] will all be on natural soil.
[6:12] >> Okay.
[6:13] >> Where those lots you're talking about in
[6:15] Draper, they were trying to build they
[6:17] were their build path was a cross field
[6:20] and that that was a bad idea from the
[6:23] city and the developer. And the only
[6:25] place we're showing a house has to be
[6:27] built is all unnatural. So that's on the
[6:30] very top flat part of the ridge where
[6:32] it's buildable. So
[6:35] >> yeah, we we have the same concern. We we
[6:38] don't want to sell a property that is
[6:40] going to where a house is going to be
[6:41] built off a cliff. So um some of these
[6:44] lots their backyard will be on that
[6:48] steep edge, but no no build pad onto
[6:51] that steep edge. Okay.
[6:54] And in our conversations with Ilkage,
[6:56] they [clears throat] they're okay with
[6:57] this annexation. [snorts]
[7:00] Okay.
[7:03] >> Ryan, do you have any questions?
[7:07] » No, sir.
[7:09] Okay. Steve,
[7:11] >> no. No, I don't think so. Okay. Jerry,
[7:16] >> no. Just uh because it's just an
[7:18] annexation. We're not looking at the
[7:20] site plan specifically or the roads or
[7:22] anything.
[7:23] >> It's just a matter of whether we want it
[7:24] to come into wooden house.
[7:26] >> Don't see anything. I mean, unless
[7:28] there's any concerns from the fire chief
[7:30] of having uh because that is a slope
[7:32] with some some scrub oak if that's a
[7:35] issue for the fire chief or not.
[7:37] >> I think it is an issue
[7:39] >> whether it's in our city [laughter] or
[7:40] not.
[7:41] >> Right.
[7:42] >> Trees still exist. Ted,
[7:46] >> a question.
[7:48] Um yeah so we have requirements um
[7:56] » requirements just complying with our
[7:58] requirements and most others perfect
[8:02] there's no other questions um I'm
[8:04] actually going to move and see if we
[8:06] can't I don't see anybody from three
[8:08] bridges here right now so Jody am I okay
[8:12] to skip to number three
[8:13] >> yeah I don't know if we will see anyone
[8:15] from three bridges agreeing.
[8:18] Are you a They didn't show up to the
[8:20] finance commission meeting either.
[8:22] >> Perfect. Okay. Well, I'm going to skip
[8:23] then to uh number three since uh Zans is
[8:27] here with us, Mark Anderson. Um and so
[8:31] we are looking at a consideration for
[8:34] adoption of a resolution authorizing the
[8:36] insurance and sale of not more than $1.4
[8:40] 4 million
[8:42] um aggregate principal amount for a
[8:46] dedication of our sales and franchise
[8:48] tax revenue bonds. Um and so Mark, you
[8:53] want to come join us here and kind of
[8:54] walk uh the council through what that
[8:56] bond would look like? Uh
[8:58] >> you bet.
[8:59] >> And just so everybody knows, this is for
[9:02] phase four of the pavement management
[9:05] plan. So, we have been discussing this
[9:07] bond um actually all of the 2026 fiscal
[9:12] year budget, which is the one we're
[9:14] currently in. [clears throat]
[9:15] >> Um and we actually built it into that
[9:18] budget and then last council meeting
[9:20] when we amended the budget, we actually
[9:22] pulled this these funds out. Um but that
[9:26] is what we're talking about.
[9:28] >> Well, first of all, it's a pleasure to
[9:29] be here with the council. It's been
[9:31] probably five years since I've been
[9:32] here. uh and uh what you have before you
[9:37] tonight is what we call a parameters
[9:39] resolution with some associated
[9:41] exhibits.
[9:42] The parameters resolution is
[9:45] the beginning uh process of issuing
[9:48] bonds
[9:50] uh under state law and within the
[9:53] parameters resolution it defines the
[9:55] project as being the maintenance of road
[9:59] roads. Um, it sets parameters as far as
[10:03] the borrowing. The maximum borrowing
[10:05] amount for the bond would be $1.4
[10:07] million. The maximum term that the bonds
[10:10] will be repaid over is 10 years. The
[10:13] maximum interest rate is 6%.
[10:16] But in reality, we expect a rate
[10:20] uh probably in the high threes or low 4%
[10:24] rate. It's a small bond, so there may
[10:26] not be as many interested purchasers,
[10:28] but I'm optimistic that we can find a
[10:31] purchaser for that. Um, and uh, it also
[10:37] uh, designates the mayor, the mayor
[10:39] prom, and the city recorder as
[10:42] designated officers that have the
[10:44] ability to make the decision on the
[10:46] final purchaser in terms of the bond. Uh
[10:50] what the process is is uh after the
[10:54] council adopts the parameters resolution
[10:56] and this resolution it also includes the
[10:59] scheduling of public hearing which would
[11:01] be on May 26th.
[11:03] Um and then we would anticipate putting
[11:07] together a a bid package that we would a
[11:10] request for bids that we would send out
[11:12] to banks that would purchase this bond
[11:15] for their private investment portfolios.
[11:18] um and would expect bids back
[11:21] approximately on the 1st of July and
[11:23] then close the bonds on July 15th is
[11:26] when the funds would would be delivered
[11:29] to the city.
[11:31] >> Um
[11:33] and that's pretty much it.
[11:36] >> Any questions for Mark?
[11:39] the interest [clears throat] rates
[11:41] obviously those are going to be
[11:42] negotiated and and very what are some of
[11:44] the things that we should I mean you
[11:45] mentioned six maybe a little bit less
[11:47] than that what's a what's out there
[11:49] right now I know things can change
[11:51] >> well I would expect something around 4%
[11:54] give or take 20 basis points or 210 of a
[11:57] percent of interest uh based on what the
[12:00] current market is the market's been
[12:03] pretty volatile since the beginning of
[12:04] the Iran war we saw rates jump up uh
[12:08] probably about 4/10en of a percent in
[12:10] just a matter of a few weeks. We've seen
[12:13] some of that uh uh
[12:17] come back uh in a little bit lower
[12:20] rates, but it's still kind of a volatile
[12:22] situation pending any kind of clear
[12:24] outcome as to what the the oil situation
[12:28] in the world might turn out to be.
[12:31] Um
[12:33] uh the 6%
[12:36] some banks will bid this with a fixed
[12:39] rate for all years. So say four 4.4% for each maturity. You'll have 10
[12:48] principal payments over the life of the
[12:50] bonds. But uh Bank of U which owns your
[12:54] excise tax bonds for the class C roads
[12:57] bids what we call serialized coupons.
[13:00] Each maturity has its own interest rate,
[13:03] a unique interest rate and they go say
[13:06] from three and a half to maybe four and
[13:08] a half or four to five or or something
[13:11] like that. So we give ourselves a lot of
[13:14] latitude there but we certainly don't
[13:16] expect to see a rate in this what we
[13:19] call a true interest cost in the 6%
[13:22] range.
[13:23] >> Okay.
[13:24] >> Thank you.
[13:27] >> Did you say 10-year term? Was that
[13:28] right? 10ear term.
[13:29] >> Correct. And part of that's just driven
[13:31] by the nature of the improvements. You
[13:33] really don't want to have a bond
[13:34] outstanding longer than the the life of
[13:36] the improvements.
[13:37] >> Agreed.
[13:39] >> So, so we're talking about phase two or
[13:42] phase three of the road. This is for
[13:45] >> Okay. But, but this doesn't take care of
[13:47] the water issue either. So, what does it do to our potential our
[13:51] future for getting a loan um credit?
[13:54] Because we've got another project that's
[13:56] big and bigger, too. and I've assisted
[13:58] with a couple of division of drinking
[14:00] water loans that the city entered into
[14:02] in 2020 and 2021. I think the 21
[14:05] issuance kind of superseded the first
[14:07] issuance. They offered another several
[14:10] hundred,000 to complete the project. Um
[14:14] the the revenue pledge for water bonds
[14:17] would be the net revenues of your water
[14:19] system. So, what you're pledging for
[14:22] this bond is sales tax and franchise
[14:25] tax, which includes your your uh
[14:30] util the electric or the
[14:33] >> cell phones, and taxes on utilities, gas
[14:38] and electric,
[14:40] >> Amazon purchases.
[14:41] >> Well, that's part of the sales taxes.
[14:44] Uh so that's what you're pledging as the
[14:47] repayment source for this bond. You
[14:50] would pledge typically pledge the water
[14:54] system revenues for the repayment of a
[14:56] water bond.
[14:57] >> Okay. Yep. So this one's coming the
[15:00] general fund. That bond will have to
[15:03] come from the enterprise fund.
[15:05] >> Yeah.
[15:06] >> Okay. And I just wanted to um I I
[15:09] appreciate that you gave us this
[15:10] calendar of events of of the life of of
[15:13] going to July 15th. That's helpful. Um
[15:15] and just to remind our residents that
[15:18] the reason that we're doing this um is
[15:21] because we did not want to raise taxes
[15:23] to have to pay for a road and this is
[15:24] more consistent um and reliable to get
[15:28] the roads done in a timely manner and
[15:30] with a consistent cost.
[15:33] >> Got you.
[15:35] I think to answer your question though,
[15:36] Steve, also is is this would I believe,
[15:41] and Mark, you can comment on this, but
[15:43] this does tap us out fairly
[15:48] » quite a bit.
[15:49] >> You don't have much powder left with
[15:50] that revenue pledge.
[15:52] >> You do have a 2019 sales and franchise
[15:55] tax bond that I think matures in like
[15:57] 2030 or 2032.
[16:00] that'll give you some more capacity, but
[16:02] you're still, you know, four or six
[16:04] years out until you really have the
[16:06] ability to issue additional bonds with
[16:08] this same revenue pledge.
[16:10] >> So, so just just as a group, is this
[16:13] going to stall the ability for us to
[16:16] make the waterline improvements down the
[16:18] road with that?
[16:20] >> Two different
[16:22] entities almost.
[16:24] >> So, the water would then be paying for
[16:25] the road improvements in that too.
[16:27] >> Yeah. That whole package would come from
[16:28] there.
[16:29] >> Okay. and we can help you look at what
[16:31] your coverage is on the bond payments.
[16:35] Usually, you're required to have net
[16:37] revenues, revenues less operating
[16:40] expenses excluding depreciation, at
[16:42] least 125% of what your total bond
[16:46] payments are. So, if you had net
[16:49] revenues of 1.25 million, you could have
[16:51] annual bond payments of up to a million
[16:53] dollars. Okay? So, but we can help you
[16:57] look at, you know, what your what kind
[17:00] of revenues you may have to generate to
[17:03] meet the coverage for whatever amount of
[17:05] money that you may look to borrow.
[17:09] >> I I think I mean, if you do the math,
[17:11] it's almost 9%, right? The the monthly
[17:14] annual or the sorry, the annual payment
[17:17] is almost representation of like 9% of
[17:20] our total budget every year to to make
[17:21] the payment back. So, it's
[17:25] significant for a small community.
[17:28] >> Yeah.
[17:29] >> Don't don't forget the thing that we're
[17:31] saving here is we're able to do the work
[17:35] at now's pricing.
[17:37] >> Um we talked about the increases in in
[17:40] asphalt and things like that. Those are
[17:42] going to go up much higher than the
[17:45] interest rate that we're looking at.
[17:46] This is the reason that we're doing
[17:47] this. True.
[17:49] >> And that that is the the big buy for for
[17:53] doing the bond and and even though we're
[17:55] kind of extending out ourselves. Um
[17:58] we've got the emergency funds that we're
[18:00] still planning and things like that. And again, when it comes to it, we're
[18:04] only going to bond out exactly what we
[18:07] need. This is this is the map. Um so it
[18:10] might give us a little bit of wiggle room or however we decide to do
[18:14] that in the end. Um, the only thing I
[18:17] have just to make clear and play the
[18:20] politician here, the way I'm reading
[18:22] this is this authorizes
[18:26] us to make this happen and actually do
[18:28] the signatures to make the bond happen.
[18:31] And we still are going to have once we
[18:34] get the bids back, we have the
[18:36] opportunity to send that to our finance
[18:39] department and or our finance committee
[18:42] and and go through that with a fine
[18:43] tooth comb before we actually sign on
[18:45] the dotted line. And it's not actually
[18:47] signing us up for anything.
[18:49] >> Hey Brian,
[18:50] >> no.
[18:50] >> Yes. Just to clarify, uh, we already
[18:53] have the bids and have it, um, given a
[18:56] contract to a contractor and this did
[18:59] get sent to the finance committee. Um,
[19:02] >> no, I'm talking about the bond. Wouldn't
[19:05] have for the bond itself when we signed
[19:08] with the lending agency.
[19:10] >> What? Sorry.
[19:14] It's when we sign for the lending
[19:15] agency, when we actually sign the
[19:18] paperwork to get the money that we're
[19:20] not, this doesn't this doesn't lock us
[19:23] into anything. We're going to get bids
[19:25] from different lenders, so to speak, to
[19:30] uh to fund this bond. And this is going
[19:33] to this we're still going to have way
[19:35] I'm reading it, we're still going to
[19:36] have the time to look at each one of
[19:38] those and decide what which one we want
[19:40] to go with. And that will give time for
[19:41] the finance committee to have their
[19:43] weigh in and the mayor and the city
[19:45] council and that type of thing. Is that
[19:47] correct?
[19:48] >> Well, let me let me address that.
[19:51] >> The parameters resolution
[19:53] actually authorizes the mayor or the
[19:56] mayor pro prom and the city recorder to
[19:59] make the decision regarding what they
[20:01] determine to be the most the best bid
[20:04] for the city.
[20:05] uh it doesn't mean the city doesn't
[20:07] can't have some method that that the uh
[20:11] the mayor wants to reach out to the
[20:13] council and say this is what we've
[20:14] gotten and this is what we're thinking.
[20:17] Uh but it it doesn't necessarily require
[20:20] another formal action by the council.
[20:23] This this just gives
[20:25] the mayor and the recorder and the may
[20:27] or the mayor prom the ability to act
[20:30] within these parameters on the issuance
[20:32] of the bond. And if there's any any uh
[20:35] thoughts about borrowing less than $1.4
[20:38] million, I'd want to know that before
[20:40] the bids are sent out. We can modify
[20:42] that a little bit. Uh
[20:45] but uh that would be my preference. just
[20:50] >> just to concur with what Brian said as a
[20:53] former city manager. Uh if you can
[20:56] borrow at a lower cost than inflation on
[20:59] road repairs, you're money ahead because
[21:01] deferring road maintenance turns uh you
[21:04] know simple maintenance into road
[21:05] rebuilds and and uh uh or uh uh rotomill
[21:12] and overlays and things like that. So
[21:14] the the cost of doing nothing is much
[21:16] more than just the the cost of interest
[21:20] and
[21:20] >> and reminder
[21:21] >> inflation.
[21:22] >> We had the finance committee do a study
[21:24] on inflation on asphalt and those
[21:26] things. And it's it's far cheaper to
[21:28] borrow the money and do it now than to
[21:31] pay the the price of inflation and labor
[21:34] and everything else. So
[21:35] >> this is about a million dollars cheaper
[21:37] this option.
[21:38] >> Yeah, we did we did do it the finance
[21:40] committee did do a study on it. They did
[21:42] some research. So
[21:45] >> when we get those offers in, we can
[21:48] >> we can review them through the finance
[21:50] committee and everybody else. I get that
[21:52] it authorizes the mayor, mayor prom and
[21:55] then the city recorder, but we can send
[21:59] those in in the act of transparency to
[22:02] the finance committee and say, "Can you
[22:03] guys review this one? This is the one we
[22:05] think is the best and and what do you
[22:07] think?" And they can point out anything
[22:09] that we might not see because they're
[22:10] really good at what they do.
[22:12] I will tell you that some of the uh
[22:17] bids will be uh subject to change if you
[22:22] don't accept them on the day that
[22:23] they're offered. Subject to change, you
[22:26] know, of market indexes of upwards and
[22:29] downwards in so usually we have the
[22:34] acceptance on the same day as the bids
[22:36] that are received.
[22:37] >> Yeah, we'll probably I'll probably ping
[22:39] each of you call you. um you know share
[22:42] with you and then we'll have talked with
[22:45] Mark um and kind of made that decision.
[22:49] Um we've kind of gone through the whole
[22:51] process of whether we should do this,
[22:52] what the plan is. Um we've already got
[22:55] the contracts in place with Kilgore. Um
[22:59] so we're a little bit further down the
[23:00] road. One other thing to remember, uh,
[23:03] Brian, to your comment of the safety
[23:05] funds, um, the safety fund conversation
[23:09] when we discussed that, um, you know,
[23:11] months ago is we wanted to have, you
[23:14] know, around $250,000 in the bank at all
[23:17] times. That was if we decided to go with
[23:20] the funding option for this lending path
[23:24] which pulled savings out to then turn
[23:27] around and pay off that other bond you
[23:31] were talking about. Correct.
[23:32] >> That was one option
[23:34] >> and we did not opt for that option from
[23:36] your council.
[23:37] >> Yeah. Basically, you've got a bond
[23:39] that's two some point something percent
[23:43] interest. And to pay off a a bond only
[23:45] to borrow more at a higher interest cost
[23:47] doesn't really make sense to me.
[23:50] >> 100%. So, we my long story short, we
[23:53] have more than the 250,000 in savings.
[23:56] Um, I don't know what that exact number
[23:58] is off the top of my head, but it's it's
[24:00] still substantially higher than that
[24:02] 250,000. I thought we were spending down
[24:06] and and getting a lower bond because we
[24:09] were spending down on that on that.
[24:11] >> We'll be using some of it. Yes.
[24:14] >> Okay. I just want to make sure. But and I'm surprised if Are we not getting
[24:19] multiple offers on this?
[24:22] >> We will. We will be getting multiple
[24:24] offers, but the time frame we would not
[24:27] have time to send that to the finance
[24:29] committee. It's kind of a here's your
[24:32] options. Do you want to proceed or not?
[24:34] And we have to make that decision.
[24:36] >> Hence, this resolution grants
[24:39] >> myself.
[24:41] Yeah. Is there standard verbage that we
[24:43] can kind of I mean, if it's standard
[24:45] verbage that everybody uses, I just
[24:47] don't want to have something in the fine
[24:49] print of whatever we sign that's going
[24:51] to bite us that we didn't know about
[24:53] because we didn't have time to read it
[24:55] and and review it. and we'll explain to
[24:58] you that the bids that are received, the
[25:01] things that you need to be mindful of.
[25:03] One of the things that we see uh
[25:05] differences in is what we call call
[25:07] features, and that is the ability to
[25:11] repay or pay down the bonds uh prior to
[25:16] maturity where it's only a 10-year bond.
[25:18] We may have a call that somebody may
[25:21] send a bid in. They'll here's the
[25:23] interest rate, but you can't pay it off
[25:25] early for 10 years. Or we may have some
[25:26] that say you can start paying it off
[25:28] early in three years. Or
[25:32] >> if it's a standard, if they're pretty
[25:34] standard like that and and there's not
[25:36] going to be anything hidden anywhere, I
[25:38] can understand. I'm more of a trust but
[25:39] verify kind of person
[25:41] >> and I'm not going to be able to get
[25:43] through
[25:44] >> a legal contract of that uh that
[25:49] magnitude
[25:50] without, you know, some time. It's not
[25:53] going to happen for me in a day. Um I
[25:55] just want to make sure that we're making
[25:57] sure that we're not signing something
[25:58] that we shouldn't sign is where I'm
[26:00] getting to.
[26:01] >> But Brian, we're we've worked with Mark
[26:03] in the past and and we've we've had good
[26:06] success with
[26:07] >> Thank you very Yeah. Z does a very good
[26:08] job, Ryan, explaining that.
[26:10] >> I agree. I totally agree, but I'm I'm a
[26:14] little hitchy about that. Um,
[26:17] >> right. We're just I think part of it is
[26:19] that we're trusting him to advise us on
[26:22] what is a good offer and what is not.
[26:24] >> And and I think we'd have enough time,
[26:26] Brian, that we could fill the council in
[26:30] the loop, give them the high overview of
[26:32] it of this one has a penalty if we pay
[26:35] it off early, this one has no penalty.
[26:37] Mark's going to look at that and
[26:40] >> we'll provide a bid summary and compare
[26:42] total principal and interest payments
[26:44] under all the options
[26:47] >> u that we receive and can advise you on
[26:50] things you ought to be mindful of.
[26:53] >> I I I do appreciate that. I'm just I'm not saying I'm against it. I'm just
[26:58] a little more cautious um in signing
[27:02] away that kind of thing. Um and and not
[27:05] having it reviewed is is just makes me
[27:08] nervous. Not saying I'm not going to
[27:10] vote for it. It just makes me nervous.
[27:14] >> Noted. Thank you. Any other questions
[27:16] for Mark?
[27:21] » Okay, Mark. Thank you so much for
[27:23] coming. You're welcome to stick around
[27:24] and enjoy the rest.
[27:25] >> It's really exciting.
[27:27] >> Exciting council meeting or you're
[27:28] welcome to uh head.
[27:30] >> If you'd like me to stay, I'm happy to.
[27:32] >> Your choice 100%.
[27:33] >> Thanks for the
[27:36] >> You won't hurt our feelings.
[27:37] >> We appreciate it.
[27:39] >> If we were you, we'd go home.
[27:41] >> I know this is a work meeting and so
[27:43] [laughter]
[27:46] » Okay, we're going to jump back to number
[27:47] two. uh the consideration and discussion
[27:50] on the conditional use application for
[27:52] Treehouse Park LLC, which is Three
[27:54] Bridges, for a temporary on-site rock
[27:57] crushing associated with the
[27:59] construction of the Three Bridges
[28:01] subdivision. Uh is this uh Ted or is
[28:04] this Wayne?
[28:07] >> Wayne.
[28:08] >> Okay, Wayne, you're up.
[28:13] » He drew the short straw tonight.
[28:15] [laughter]
[28:17] guy. You haven't seen the long straw
[28:19] yet.
[28:21] [laughter]
[28:23] >> Thanks, Mark.
[28:25] >> Um, this was submitted to us uh a while
[28:28] back and the planning commission has had
[28:30] an opportunity to look at it. It's
[28:33] pretty straightforward.
[28:35] um their their plans are to do this
[28:40] uh rock crushing and and gravel
[28:43] separation of sizes and so forth that
[28:45] they will use in their roads and other
[28:47] construction there. One of the concerns
[28:50] was the dust that this might accumulate
[28:54] and they they've agreed and their their
[28:56] plans were so they're not making a
[28:59] concession here. The plans were to put a
[29:01] water truck on site to uh to wet the
[29:05] area down periodically to keep the dust
[29:07] low. Um it's our understanding too as
[29:10] they go through this process with the
[29:13] dirt pile that we've got that it will be
[29:15] moved further to the east as it's
[29:18] divided up in the different kinds of
[29:21] >> So this will be for our big mountain
[29:23] right by the correct mailboxes. Just
[29:25] thought everybody should know that.
[29:26] >> The removal of the mountain.
[29:28] >> Yeah, it's to remove it. Yes.
[29:31] >> Slow slowly.
[29:34] >> Wayne, could you explain the process
[29:36] because it's saying rock crushing,
[29:38] right? And we've had one concern from a
[29:40] resident who's written in. Uh Brian, I
[29:42] don't know if you want to address that
[29:44] or I can. Um
[29:47] >> there aren't big rocks in in this pile
[29:50] of dirt, so it'll be sizing more than
[29:53] anything. If it goes through one size,
[29:55] it'll be in this pile. But I don't I
[29:58] mean there'll be dust created from that.
[30:00] >> It's a sifting process.
[30:02] >> I don't see there being a lot of noise
[30:05] in breaking up boulders or those sorts
[30:07] of things there. We didn't
[30:09] >> and that was the primary concern from a
[30:11] resident was, you know, is there going
[30:12] to be a seismic activity associated with
[30:15] this? And one thing I want to make aware
[30:18] >> is we've actually had this exact same
[30:21] operation on the opposite side of the
[30:23] city for years um with a different
[30:27] construction company over there um in
[30:29] Elk Ridge. Um and so it's not a very
[30:35] it's not a nuisance in that regard.
[30:37] Dust, sure, we need to take care of it,
[30:39] but it won't cause seismic issues. It
[30:41] won't cause a nuisance in that regard.
[30:44] It's not anticipated to. That's correct.
[30:47] >> Do they have an estimate of when that
[30:48] would that project would round up? Is
[30:51] that just over the summer? Is that going
[30:52] to go through? I mean, I know. I just
[30:55] wondered how long they plan on
[30:56] >> I think it'll be as long as that pile of
[30:58] dirt is
[30:59] >> still there. So,
[31:01] >> years.
[31:02] >> So, okay. [clears throat]
[31:04] Hopefully not.
[31:05] >> Some questions. Um
[31:08] but the application I I thought it was
[31:12] um you know
[31:14] very vague. It's not signed. So I was uh
[31:18] from the applicant and um I wanted to
[31:21] make sure that some of these things are more concrete. Um yes, they're going
[31:27] to be rock crushing. Um but it I think
[31:31] we should be putting in there about no
[31:34] noise
[31:35] ordinances. um the time of operation to
[31:39] make sure that it's in
[31:40] >> that's all in our ordinances. We've made
[31:41] them aware of that on the site
[31:44] >> so that they're aware.
[31:45] >> We went through all our ordinances of
[31:47] operation
[31:48] >> because that's by code.
[31:49] >> Yeah, that's by code.
[31:51] >> We talked about it's actually county
[31:52] noise ordinance which is more stricter
[31:54] than ours. Um as well as I think Salem's
[31:57] is a little more stricter than ours
[31:58] because they're actually going to be
[32:00] >> the operation is going to be in our city
[32:02] but the dirt's actually being moved to
[32:04] Salem. So, it's kind of both cities
[32:05] [clears throat] involved here.
[32:07] >> We already got one of these for Salem,
[32:08] right?
[32:09] >> And then the other thing I wanted to
[32:10] talk about
[32:11] >> going on in Salem with that other pile
[32:13] of dirty
[32:14] >> was the um dust mitigation. Um I would
[32:18] like to see it a little bit more
[32:19] concrete. Um managing it through a water
[32:22] truck once in a while.
[32:23] >> So that's in that's in their SWIP plan
[32:25] they submitted to us as part of this
[32:26] permit.
[32:27] >> We just didn't see that part, right? So,
[32:29] I just wanted to clarify
[32:31] >> something that our SWIP inspector
[32:32] inspects kind of for our lenses. So,
[32:35] Mitch, our SWIP inspector, he'll be
[32:37] coming up and inspecting them. Part of
[32:39] that is dust control.
[32:41] >> Okay. So, if it's not adequate, the
[32:42] swift inspector would would require them
[32:44] to water more often or or whatever,
[32:47] >> right?
[32:48] >> Okay. That's what I just wanted to make
[32:49] sure that our public recognized that we
[32:52] do have someone overseeing that and um
[32:54] mitigating that that dust. and we told
[32:57] them they're required to get this SWIP
[33:00] approval in the process and they were
[33:02] willing to do that. So,
[33:04] >> and they got the SWIP approved through
[33:05] the state and Mitch, our SWIP inspector,
[33:08] reviewed it and he was good with it.
[33:11] Now, he'll be doing his uh inspections
[33:14] just make sure they comply with
[33:16] >> How often do they do the inspection?
[33:18] >> Usually, it's monthly. Oh,
[33:20] >> it's either dust or monthly or when they
[33:22] get complaints, it's dust, runoff, mud,
[33:27] whole bunch of stuff. He'll be
[33:28] inspecting plus
[33:30] >> the county also has uh provisions for
[33:33] that.
[33:34] >> Okay.
[33:34] >> Noise and dust as well
[33:38] because also affect,
[33:39] >> right? So,
[33:40] >> so if any of our residents are are upset
[33:43] about it, when they call Jody or any of
[33:46] us, then you would direct them to um our
[33:50] SWIP compliance officer who would take
[33:52] those complaints and then adjust the
[33:54] mitigation accordingly.
[33:59] » Okay?
[33:59] >> If it's out of compliance, but just
[34:01] doesn't mean out of compliance, right?
[34:03] >> So, he has to check the levels to see
[34:05] what's going on and stuff like that,
[34:06] >> right? and the contractor they will have
[34:09] to self audit and submit reports weekly.
[34:13] >> So it's
[34:14] >> and if we get if we get reports that
[34:17] there's issues or problems will address
[34:19] them and through SWIP and or through
[34:21] three bridges make sure that it gets
[34:24] addressed whatever the issue is.
[34:26] >> Perfect.
[34:28] >> So So Wayne, are they they're planning
[34:30] on just using that for their own stuff?
[34:32] are not planning on selling it or like
[34:36] >> they've offered to sell some of it in
[34:38] the past and I don't know what their
[34:39] exact plans are in that regard, but the majority of it will be in their own
[34:45] being utilized in their own uh project
[34:48] there.
[34:48] >> So, no hope for some sales tax out of
[34:50] some uh some
[34:53] >> hill of dirt that we could get a little
[34:55] >> extra talking about were favors to
[34:57] people, not so much that they
[34:59] >> getting in the selling business. Yeah.
[35:01] >> Yeah. Okay.
[35:02] >> And back to my first comment. Did do
[35:04] they not need to sign this application?
[35:06] >> No, we'll get them to sign it.
[35:07] >> Actually, there's more to the
[35:09] application. I gave you the front page.
[35:10] They've got to go through they sign the
[35:13] back of the code after they've read it
[35:15] all.
[35:15] >> All right. So,
[35:16] >> just making sure that
[35:17] >> and there's a fee they've got to pay.
[35:19] >> I see the fee.
[35:21] >> Any other questions?
[35:22] >> Yes. Yes, I have I do have a couple. Um,
[35:26] I again I I agree with with Carrie on
[35:30] having a wet signature from from the,
[35:33] you know, the applicant, but I'd also I would have preferred just for future
[35:37] to actually see that it had gone through
[35:40] our different departments and got those
[35:42] signatures as well because there is a
[35:44] spot for that. Um, so that I can know
[35:47] that it's been properly reviewed and
[35:49] vetted. We're small enough. So, I'm not
[35:51] too worried about it, but that would
[35:52] have been preferable just for future.
[35:55] Um, I would like to to just bring it up
[35:58] just so we're talking a little bit more
[35:59] about it. Um, one of our residents uh
[36:03] had sent me an email that I sent out.
[36:05] Um, they were asking about s, you know,
[36:08] seismographic meters around and and
[36:10] worried about uh their their, you know,
[36:14] vibrations that could cause issues with
[36:15] their plumbing. I want to make sure that it's stated that this is not from a
[36:22] we're not having any blasting. Um if
[36:24] there is is more discussion, they can
[36:26] actually talk to Ted who's very
[36:28] wellversed in this. Um it's only a
[36:31] crusher and and and
[36:34] um screening processes that we'll be
[36:37] seeing. Um, so it is not
[36:41] something that we would ask a a a an
[36:45] applicant to actually put a seismograph
[36:48] any kind of meters anywhere. And uh,
[36:51] Mayor pointed out to me that we actually
[36:53] have had this going on for years in our
[36:55] city. Um, so it's it's not much
[36:58] different from what we what we currently
[37:00] have. Um, one of the things that they
[37:02] brought up was they they are asking for
[37:05] the city to post on their website
[37:08] um the ability to submit errant dust
[37:11] reports to the EPA. Again, I think this
[37:13] is more of a SWIP thing. Does SWIP allow
[37:16] for uh dust reports um by the public?
[37:21] And if so, can we put that link on our
[37:25] web page? Would that be very difficult?
[37:29] That's a good question. I don't because
[37:31] the SWIP's handled by the state. Um, so
[37:34] we'd have to go through the state site
[37:35] and look to see if they can submit.
[37:39] I don't know that I've seen that before.
[37:42] Usually, if there's something because
[37:43] there's going to be two different SWIP
[37:44] inspectors on this, well, Salem and ours
[37:47] because the the pile is actually number
[37:49] city. So, they'll be doing some
[37:50] screening as they're and and uh the rock
[37:54] operation as they're moving the pile.
[37:56] They'll be moving the little equipment
[37:58] with them. It's not like a huge thing.
[38:00] They'll be moving equipment with them,
[38:01] but they're actually moving the material
[38:02] into Salem. Um so, they'll be moving the
[38:05] pile over closer to where they're going
[38:06] to be using it in their infrastructure.
[38:09] Um so, there'll be multiple SWIP
[38:10] inspectors looking at this thing. Um so,
[38:14] we can look to see if there's a way to
[38:15] do that. I'm not positive. Um, we'd have
[38:18] to talk to the state and also this did
[38:21] go just for not know this did go to a
[38:22] public hearing as well
[38:26] » and and this resident was unable to make
[38:29] that and sent me an email. Um, how do do
[38:32] we normally just call the SWIP inspector
[38:34] if there if we got a a complaint if
[38:38] we're complaining?
[38:39] >> Yes.
[38:40] >> Okay. So maybe it'd be worth checking
[38:43] with them if we can post their number or
[38:46] post a way to put I don't know Tony I
[38:48] don't know how hard and Dan I guess um I
[38:51] don't know how hard it would be to to
[38:53] put something on the web page to say
[38:56] call this number if
[38:58] >> I think we call us.
[39:00] >> Yeah, we don't want them to call SWIP.
[39:01] >> Yeah, I prefer they call us and then
[39:03] we'll notify the swift inspector.
[39:05] >> Okay. And and if we could put that, you
[39:07] know, dust reports, if we can put that,
[39:09] I think this would help with uh some of,
[39:12] you know, some of the concerns or just my thoughts on it.
[39:16] >> Yeah. So, the reason I think we'd like
[39:18] to have a call us and said because we
[39:19] don't know who's going to be doing
[39:20] whether be us or Salem. Kind of depends
[39:22] on if there's dust generated in our
[39:24] city, then it would be our swift guy we
[39:26] would have to reach out to. If it is if
[39:28] it's coming as they're dumping the dirt
[39:30] in Salem, then it would be the Salem
[39:32] swift guy that we'd have to reach out to
[39:33] for contact. So,
[39:35] >> so maybe we can put Ted's number. Call
[39:37] Ted if you have a problem, if you're
[39:40] having dust issues so he can figure it
[39:41] out because I'm I'm already going to
[39:43] recommend something and Jody's probably
[39:45] already gonna strangle me for it. So,
[39:47] um,
[39:48] >> yeah,
[39:51] >> you're welcome to call me and we can
[39:52] reach out to
[39:54] >> Yeah, Dan and Jody, would that be hard
[39:56] to put on the website?
[39:58] >> I think it so my number is already there
[40:00] on the website. Yeah, but to actually
[40:02] say for dust reports, errant dust
[40:05] reports,
[40:06] >> I don't know those are. We'll have to
[40:08] look to see if those are even a I'm not
[40:10] sure there's such a thing.
[40:11] >> Well, we've got to be careful too with
[40:13] dust reports because my opinion of dust
[40:16] is any dust, right? But SWIP says some
[40:20] dust is okay and normal, right? And so
[40:23] if we have residents trying to control
[40:26] what the regulation is due to their
[40:29] thoughts and feelings, um we are going
[40:31] to drastically exacerbate the amount of
[40:34] work required on, you know, Ted's end,
[40:36] Jod's end, and Mitch's end.
[40:39] >> Um and so we want to make sure we can do
[40:41] some education, but we want to let
[40:43] people know that with construction, just
[40:45] like when their home was constructed,
[40:48] dust was created. Now, maybe they didn't
[40:50] build it, but it's part of being in a
[40:53] community. Um, but we also want to make
[40:56] sure that it is not out of control and
[40:58] we will keep an eye on that as with the
[41:00] whole SWIP protocols.
[41:01] >> And I suspect there's going to be a bit
[41:03] of a learning curve right up front.
[41:04] Probably get some calls about dust and I
[41:07] think at some point we'll kind of get a
[41:08] handle on what is violation of dust too
[41:12] much and where do we fit where it's not
[41:15] violating the the permit. We'll probably
[41:18] after a little while we'll be a little
[41:19] learning curve and we'll be able to look
[41:21] at it and say yes that's too much or no
[41:24] um they seem to be within that because
[41:26] if we're getting these reports every day
[41:28] from someone, you know, then we're going
[41:30] to be having our swift inspector come up
[41:31] every day and we what we want to try and
[41:34] do is manage that a little bit. We get
[41:36] some training on it and kind of get a
[41:39] feel for where we at. and and also the
[41:42] county uh they also have um dust
[41:46] parameters as well. So I'm sure they'll
[41:48] be involved in that. I think there's
[41:50] going to be a little bit of a curve as
[41:52] we look at this thing um to see what
[41:55] that entails. We don't even know right
[41:56] now what that's going to look like with
[41:58] dust. It may not be could be dusty. It
[42:02] may not. We don't know. So I agree,
[42:04] Brian. I think there's going to have to
[42:05] be a way to report this. I think there's
[42:07] going to be a little bit of a learning
[42:08] curve and just us as a city will be
[42:11] monitoring it for a little while to
[42:13] figure out, okay, what is too dusty. Um,
[42:16] believe me, I checked on dust quite a
[42:17] bit. I was down at the bottom of the
[42:19] city today, saw dust up at the top of
[42:21] the hill coming up and so I took off
[42:23] from the house I was at, went up to see
[42:25] what was going on. Um, turned out it was
[42:27] just some contractors cutting a
[42:29] driveway. Um, because as you know, when
[42:32] dust goes up, we usually get fire, smoke
[42:34] calls. Um, y
[42:36] >> which is fun. We like to go on those
[42:38] anyway. But,
[42:39] >> uh, so I think there's going to be a
[42:40] little bit of learning curve. I agree
[42:42] that uh, residents can reach out to us,
[42:45] I think, to start with
[42:47] >> and then we'll kind of see how we
[42:49] manage.
[42:51] >> Okay. I I will respond to the resident
[42:54] and and give him that information and he
[42:56] might call you just so he can have some
[42:58] discussions about his concerns.
[43:01] >> I don't know. Maybe it's maybe it's it's
[43:03] the the first comment is are you seeing
[43:05] too much dust, please call the city and
[43:07] then when we get a handle on what is too
[43:10] much and what's not too much, then maybe
[43:13] we can go to a little more serious stuff
[43:14] to if you see dust that you know looks
[43:18] like this or whatever, then file a
[43:20] report or something like that.
[43:21] >> Okay.
[43:22] >> I think we also have to be careful
[43:23] because if we make too big of a deal of
[43:25] it, people are going to be hyperfixated
[43:26] on it. And let's remember with all that
[43:29] construction up at the mitigation basin
[43:32] during that time we built that, we never
[43:34] exceeded
[43:36] EPA standards and there was quite a bit
[43:37] of dust, right? And we got a number of
[43:40] phone calls, but it never did exceed any
[43:44] standards. We brought the water truck up
[43:46] a little bit more and I'm sure they'll
[43:47] do that. But yeah, if there's any
[43:49] problems, please call the offices and
[43:50] we'll um Mitch's number, who is our SWIP
[43:53] inspector, is on our um website.
[43:57] [snorts] And so I guess, you know, they
[43:59] could always try texting that if they
[44:00] really are concerned.
[44:02] >> Well, they can reach out to any of us,
[44:03] too. We can pass it along.
[44:05] >> Exactly. Any other questions for Wayne?
[44:09] >> Thank you.
[44:10] >> Okay. Thank you, Wayne. [clears throat]
[44:12] Okay, we're going to move on to number
[44:13] four, the March 2026 financials and
[44:16] check dispersements.
[44:18] Um, you guys have all had them for a
[44:20] little bit. Uh, any questions there?
[44:23] >> Who's answering the questions?
[44:25] >> We will answer them. [laughter]
[44:28] >> Just wondering.
[44:29] >> I know. I was kind of thinking that as I
[44:31] was looking through [laughter]
[44:33] >> between Jod and I, I think we can. And
[44:36] then if it's a departmental, Ted can
[44:37] tackle it. But I think for the most part
[44:39] we can answer most your questions these
[44:41] days.
[44:44] >> Yeah, I mean I I look through things. I
[44:46] just want to make sure that it's it's
[44:47] clear and noted. Um so for the month of
[44:51] March we had $22,72
[44:53] in legal fees. Is that correct? Correct.
[44:57] Yep.
[44:57] >> Yes.
[44:58] >> Okay.
[44:59] And that is in part due to the fact that
[45:02] we so we have our attorneys um Smith and
[45:06] Harbickson um which we have you know we
[45:08] pay and do contract work plus litigation
[45:11] work for on our behalf. We also then
[45:14] have the insurance that the that are
[45:17] insur litigators from our insurance the
[45:20] trust.
[45:20] >> I'm not challenging it or asking for an
[45:22] explanation. I'm I'm just getting
[45:24] clarification airing airing out the
[45:26] clarification I suppose is what I'm
[45:27] doing. Sounds good.
[45:29] >> So that's basically, you know, quarter
[45:31] of a pickle ball court right there.
[45:33] >> Just [laughter]
[45:34] put it in perspective.
[45:35] >> Yeah.
[45:38] » Pickle ball champs of St. George.
[45:42] >> Very close. You guys were
[45:44] >> so semi-professionals that were we were
[45:48] playing against.
[45:49] >> Those ones from the Garden City were a
[45:51] little bit tougher than the rest of
[45:52] them.
[45:53] >> Oh my word. [laughter]
[45:54] They were
[45:55] >> we would have better if we had
[45:56] >> but we had the best cheerleaders.
[45:58] Really? We had the best cheers.
[45:59] >> We did have the best cheerleaders. Any
[46:01] other questions about the
[46:04] >> I'm I'm not really a Well, it's kind of
[46:06] a question. It's actually a request. Um
[46:12] I hate to say this because nobody's
[46:13] going to be happy. Nobody in the staff
[46:15] is going to be happy. Um, I would
[46:17] actually like to see, especially when we
[46:20] have large credit card purchases, um,
[46:23] kind of a breakdown of what it was that
[46:26] we bought, um, so that we have some
[46:29] clarity in that as we're as we're going
[46:32] through here because I trust everybody.
[46:34] don't think I don't. But if people ask,
[46:37] hey, we've spent this much money at at
[46:40] Costco or we spent this much money on
[46:43] Amazon and it could be going to people's
[46:44] homes. I can say no. This is this is the
[46:46] things that we bought. Um I don't know
[46:49] if we're currently doing that, but I I
[46:51] would like to see it. I apologize to
[46:53] everybody who has to go through that
[46:55] pain.
[46:58] » Actually, this is something we're going
[46:59] to bring up in staff meeting. Uh, just
[47:02] so you're aware, there is no other city
[47:05] in in Utah that provides credit card
[47:08] statements. Now, we're okay with doing
[47:10] it because all of ours have receipts to
[47:12] back up all of our statements. It can be
[47:15] shown what it's for, but we are putting
[47:18] the city at a little bit of an exposure.
[47:21] Um, and we need to talk about some of
[47:23] that. I think that it would be better to
[47:25] come under each department head to
[47:27] review those expenses that go underneath
[47:29] [clears throat] their budget and ask
[47:31] those questions on their
[47:33] >> which would be fine. I know that I've
[47:35] asked you to buy things for the fire
[47:36] department and and the MS um and and so
[47:40] it'll be it'll be fine to because
[47:42] nothing is really going over those you
[47:45] know those approval levels. Well,
[47:47] actually, there might be some, but um
[47:50] but it'll be nice to see, especially
[47:51] when we have when we have big
[47:52] expenditures of of what it's going to um
[47:56] just so that we can say, you know, this
[47:59] Best Buy purchase, I could pull that one
[48:01] up and say this was for this particular
[48:03] thing that we needed in in the in the
[48:05] office and someone isn't thinking that
[48:07] we're taking it because I've had a
[48:09] couple of comments where people think
[48:11] we're on the take. I mean, I don't know
[48:13] if you guys have heard them, but I have
[48:14] heard them. um and and think that that everybody in the city is on the
[48:19] tape and I don't like it and I looking
[48:22] for more clarity.
[48:23] >> Question I would have is how would that
[48:25] clarity be provided? So for example, for
[48:27] all of our credit card purchases, we
[48:29] submit our receipts to Lori so she can
[48:31] give you the details of every one of
[48:33] those purchases that we've made because
[48:35] she has all the breakdown of all the
[48:36] receipts. Um,
[48:38] >> and I'm good with that. If if I just get
[48:40] and and I'm kind of looking for a way
[48:42] that I can I can review it before I sign
[48:47] off on, you know, before we vote on it
[48:48] so that I can be honest with
[48:52] constituents when they're when they're
[48:54] asking me um and saying nasty things.
[48:57] Had a bad week. Do you really want to be
[49:00] liable for all those details and getting
[49:01] them straight and not messing it up and having all
[49:05] >> I I want to be able to get to them,
[49:07] right? I want to make sure that I can
[49:10] get to them if I need to and I can also
[49:12] review them just so I say, "Yep, I feel
[49:14] comfortable with that."
[49:15] >> Um, so
[49:16] >> just tell them to talk to Lori.
[49:18] >> Is Brian just go Lori and she can get
[49:19] you anything you need.
[49:20] >> I think what we've got to be careful
[49:21] here is, you know, this is I think
[49:24] bleeding and this is the line, right?
[49:26] And this is what I'm as the mayor
[49:27] wanting to be sure is very clear is you
[49:30] guys are in charge of the budget. You're
[49:33] in charge of all the execution. You hold
[49:34] the purse strings as the council. um
[49:37] every single one of the transactions
[49:40] greater than I think I've said $1,500
[49:44] pretty much $2,25,000
[49:47] we usually anything under
[49:49] >> I have to sign off on right um because
[49:52] so it's going through multiple checks if
[49:55] for any reason just so you guys are
[49:57] aware if for any reason I personally am
[50:01] part of the transaction I call Janet and
[50:04] have her do that second step. Um, and
[50:07] she comes in and then she signs that receipt. Um, and so every single
[50:13] one of these dispersements are going
[50:15] through three different checks and
[50:17] balances. So I would recommend if
[50:20] anybody ever is suggesting
[50:24] that we are on the take,
[50:27] invite them to come into the office.
[50:28] >> We're on the give.
[50:30] >> Yeah, we're on the very much the give.
[50:32] >> You know, I know that, right? But I
[50:35] mean, I just I I I I get these and it's
[50:39] been, like I said, a rough couple of
[50:40] weeks with some of the things that have
[50:42] been said to me. Um, and
[50:47] >> I I would suggest reaching out to Lori
[50:49] because she can give you details and any
[50:50] of those you're questioning. She has all
[50:52] the receipts and the breakdown of what the expenditures were. I mean, as a
[50:56] staff, we go through our receipts. We
[50:57] mark what accounts they go to and what
[50:59] they're working on.
[51:01] >> So, the information is there.
[51:03] >> Yeah. If we don't I mean I'm I'm happy
[51:05] to do that and that's fine if that's the right way for me to to review that
[51:09] and I'm I'm good with it. Um that's
[51:12] fine.
[51:14] >> That way I can say yes, I signed off on
[51:15] it and I believe everything that
[51:18] >> that has been I I mean I believe it
[51:20] anyhow. I already tell them that but I
[51:21] can say that I've seen the receipts and
[51:23] yes, they're valid purchases.
[51:26] >> Yeah. And I would encourage it push back
[51:27] a little. Right. I think sometimes we're
[51:30] too nice. Now I still say be nice. Don't
[51:33] be mean to our residents.
[51:34] >> Yeah, but that's not me. I'm not nice.
[51:37] >> But well, you are hostile, Hutchings.
[51:39] That is true.
[51:40] >> But I think what you what we should do
[51:43] though is is say, "Hey, if you believe
[51:46] something corrupt is going on, right,
[51:49] come into the office and talk to us.
[51:52] Let's let's nip the rumors
[51:55] in the butt because they're just not
[51:58] accurate. Some people are just going to
[52:00] make stuff up and they're going to
[52:03] create stuff that's not there and that's
[52:06] just the way it is and that's not going
[52:07] to change. And you can have all the
[52:09] facts in the world and you can do all
[52:10] the convincing that you want to do and
[52:12] you will not convince that person that
[52:14] we're honest
[52:15] >> and they're wrong. You just won't. You
[52:18] can have all the information in the
[52:19] world and you will not convince them.
[52:21] >> And down to every
[52:23] >> Yeah. down on those credit cards. Every
[52:26] receipt we tracked down to the point of
[52:30] there was a receipt that was for $54 and
[52:34] some odds and I didn't know what what it
[52:36] was for. I called Amazon. I called the
[52:40] vendor. I finally called the credit card
[52:42] company and they were able to tell me
[52:44] exactly what it was for. And I was able
[52:45] to go to that person and say, "Uh, did
[52:48] you charge something here for this, and this?" And they're like, "Oh,
[52:51] yeah. Let me get you that receipt."
[52:53] Well, that's how we we do it. I mean, we
[52:56] make sure every receipt accompanies
[52:58] those bills.
[53:00] >> I I know without a shadow of a doubt
[53:02] that everything is being done on the up
[53:04] and up, but I'm getting accused of
[53:06] signing off on things that are not on
[53:09] the up that that that aren't true, and
[53:12] it's frustrating.
[53:15] >> Please ask them to
[53:16] >> Yeah. have them come in and also
[53:18] understand that the checks and balances
[53:21] are in place and to a degree sometimes
[53:24] on these monthly expenses that is what
[53:26] you guys are voting on is the system not
[53:30] necessarily every penny but the fact
[53:33] that we have decided and worked together
[53:35] to create the systems that do not allow
[53:37] fraud in our city.
[53:40] >> Absolutely.
[53:40] >> But if you have questions you also have
[53:42] the ability to ask those. So, well, we
[53:46] probably won't utilize the funds of the
[53:48] city from an administrative standpoint
[53:51] to extrapolate all those every single
[53:54] month.
[53:55] >> That's fair. If I That's fair. I get it.
[53:58] >> Okay. Thank you though, Brian. Uh, any
[54:01] other questions?
[54:04] » Okay, then we will move on. Uh, Ted, the
[54:08] annual sewer system report. I've been
[54:10] really looking forward to this.
[54:11] >> Oh, yes. I've been excited to present
[54:13] this to you guys tonight.
[54:18] Still flowing. So sewer flows downhill
[54:22] >> right over to PAC.
[54:23] >> Unless you have a lift station, then
[54:24] [laughter] you can lift it. Yeah, we
[54:26] send it all to PAC. No. So every year we
[54:28] have to fill out an annual um municipal
[54:32] wastewater.
[54:34] Um essentially it it's a program
[54:38] planning program is what it is. this
[54:39] wall time basically just goes through
[54:41] and um gives a little bit information
[54:44] about our system. We have to put in
[54:46] everything that goes into our system.
[54:48] How many connections we have um
[54:51] >> everything?
[54:52] >> What's that?
[54:53] >> Everything that goes into the system.
[54:54] >> Everything.
[54:54] >> Okay.
[54:55] >> That's what when you're filling out
[54:56] report kind of how you feel. [laughter]
[54:59] Um, [clears throat]
[55:01] and it talks about what our we have to
[55:03] report what our sewer system rate is,
[55:05] how many connections we have. Do we have
[55:08] a replacement program in place? Um, do
[55:11] we have a sinking fund for the sewer
[55:13] system, replacement and repair fund?
[55:17] Um, and then it asked, do you have a
[55:20] 5year, 10 year, 20-year plan, stuff like
[55:22] that?
[55:23] So I went through and then the last
[55:25] thing we have to do is you have to
[55:26] present it to council is what the state
[55:28] requires. So um
[55:32] >> how does that work when the some of the
[55:34] system is ours but obviously the entire
[55:38] system is mostly pacin. So we only have
[55:41] to fill that out as it results as it is
[55:44] for what's actually in the ground in our
[55:46] city and then they would pick it up as
[55:49] where it goes in along the way and into
[55:51] PAC's big system. You don't have to
[55:52] report on their whole entire system.
[55:55] >> Oh, no, no, no, no. This is just what we
[55:57] own as a city. Okay.
[55:59] >> Which is only within our city
[56:00] boundaries.
[56:01] >> Okay.
[56:02] >> Um, so that's what I went through. Um,
[56:05] one thing to note maybe that um is
[56:08] probably got to be something that's on
[56:10] our list.
[56:12] We do have a fund um that builds it's a
[56:16] sewer like waters enterprise fund,
[56:18] right? And we do have money in there to
[56:20] maintain our sewer system. Um, our sewer
[56:23] system is fairly new and we did have it
[56:26] videoed
[56:28] uh about the time I started. So, two and
[56:30] a half years ago, we had the whole
[56:32] system videoed uh sorry, sounded uh to
[56:34] get a condition assessment and it all
[56:36] came back as in great condition, our
[56:38] sewer. So, our system is really in good
[56:41] condition. We do budget money every year
[56:43] to go towards maintenance. We haven't
[56:45] luckily needed much of that. Uh, one
[56:48] thing I do want to start though is a
[56:50] program of videoing so much sewer every
[56:52] year. Every they say every 5 years
[56:54] you're supposed to video your sewer just
[56:56] to check it. So we have about 5 miles of
[56:59] sewer lines in our city. So I'd like to
[57:01] do like a mile or so every year. So
[57:03] every 5 years we're videoing the old
[57:04] sewer. Um, [clears throat]
[57:07] so we do have money that goes back into
[57:08] our sewer system. And uh, but that's a
[57:11] fund we got to continue to build. So, as
[57:14] we look at our sewer system replacement,
[57:16] we'll want to continue not spending all
[57:18] of our maintenance money, but save some
[57:20] of that in an enterprise in the
[57:22] enterprise fund so that we have some
[57:24] replacement costs down the road. And
[57:26] that's really what the state's concerned
[57:27] about these days is because what they're
[57:30] finding is a lot of cities uh and and
[57:33] you know, right? So, it's a balance when
[57:35] you're municipality between what do I
[57:36] charge for my rate and what do I put
[57:39] into my fund as slush fund for
[57:41] replacement costs. Most times
[57:44] municipalities in the past have elected
[57:46] to keep their rates rates lower, but
[57:49] then they're not they're only they're
[57:50] basically spending everything they have
[57:53] and what they're finding is now cities
[57:55] are getting 20 30 years down the road
[57:56] much like us and there's no fund to
[57:58] replace the system and they start
[58:00] convincing you have to start going out
[58:02] and getting loans and grants and all
[58:03] that kind of stuff. So um and that's
[58:05] kind of how our system is right now. We
[58:06] do have a little bit of money we're
[58:07] setting aside. What I'm going to propose
[58:09] that we probably look at in the near
[58:11] future is um I haven't had a lot of time
[58:15] to dig into the sewer yet. Uh still
[58:17] getting through roads and water, but um
[58:19] and sewer is not a major utility for us
[58:22] because we only have about quarter of
[58:24] our city that's covered with sewer. Um
[58:27] but start looking at what are we setting
[58:29] aside. It's about a $3 million system we
[58:31] have. What would it take to start
[58:33] setting site every year so that when the
[58:35] system reaches its life in 50 years,
[58:37] we've got some money there to start
[58:38] replacing it?
[58:38] >> Does that replacement fund come from the
[58:40] entire city or only those who are users?
[58:43] >> So right now only those that are users
[58:45] pay towards the system. If you're on
[58:46] septic you don't pay towards the sewer.
[58:48] >> It's a user fee for the those that are
[58:50] on the sewer.
[58:52] >> It's fee based fun.
[58:54] >> Yeah. So currently we don't have any
[58:56] reserve allocated for
[58:59] >> so we've been setting aside about 10,000
[59:01] a year or something like that is what we
[59:02] have and that's been since I started
[59:04] here what I've seen is about 10,000 a
[59:06] year or so we we we set aside for you
[59:08] know maintenance and stuff like that we
[59:10] don't really use a lot of that but what
[59:12] I'd like to do is is when we get dig
[59:13] into this what would it take for us to
[59:15] set aside not that necessarily means
[59:18] raising our sewer rates but what should
[59:21] we be looking at as capturing through um
[59:24] our depreciation money and stuff like
[59:26] that is to set aside in our funds so
[59:28] that we do have some replacement costs
[59:30] down the road.
[59:33] So other than that, uh we have about
[59:35] well I said a little over 5 miles of
[59:37] sewer. Uh it's all 8 in uh been
[59:40] installed since about 2002
[59:43] and we have about 133 connections to the
[59:46] sewer of 560ish
[59:49] homes.
[59:50] 133.
[59:52] Okay.
[59:55] And if you want to get into the details
[59:57] of our sewer system,
[1:00:00] just give me a call. I'm happy to
[1:00:02] discuss all the details of sewer with
[1:00:03] you. Uh we do not treat sewer. It all
[1:00:06] goes to PAC to be treated and we do are
[1:00:09] our part of our fee, well the majority
[1:00:11] of our fee that residents pay goes to
[1:00:13] PAC for treating the sewer.
[1:00:15] >> Yeah,
[1:00:16] >> we do have a little bit of that money
[1:00:17] that we keep and that's because of our
[1:00:19] maintenance and setting aside
[1:00:24] Thanks.
[1:00:25] >> Any questions?
[1:00:28] Sweet. I can check that off the list
[1:00:30] now. Perfect. So proud of you.
[1:00:33] >> You're about to leave. You can just
[1:00:35] >> Yeah. See how fun this is. This is the
[1:00:37] report I had to do.
[1:00:39] >> If [snorts] everybody wants some good
[1:00:40] readings, it's right there. Um, grant
[1:00:43] update.
[1:00:43] >> Oh, sorry. I was going to ask one
[1:00:45] question. Is is our fee to PAC, is it
[1:00:50] affiliated with the .edu edu we were
[1:00:52] talking about last council meeting
[1:00:54] estimated daily water usage rate or how
[1:00:58] is that calculated those fees
[1:01:00] >> generally yes um so they charge us a set
[1:01:03] rate we have an agreement with PAC and
[1:01:06] in that agreement it's a set rate they
[1:01:08] charge each of our residents or well
[1:01:10] they charge us see we charge our
[1:01:11] residents um but that's based on the
[1:01:14] daily water use because essentially they
[1:01:16] assume what water you're using goes back
[1:01:18] down
[1:01:18] >> yeah right so they they do charge
[1:01:21] charges per connection based on kind of
[1:01:23] the average water use.
[1:01:24] >> So, so if
[1:01:26] >> Okay, gotcha. So, if there were a
[1:01:28] reduction at a state level of estimated
[1:01:30] [snorts] daily usage, that could
[1:01:33] offer some relief potentially. I'm I'm
[1:01:36] just theorizing here, but
[1:01:38] >> uh potentially. Yeah,
[1:01:40] >> I'm still looking for
[1:01:42] >> we actually when we did our agreement
[1:01:44] with PACON, we actually did it on the
[1:01:46] actual use and not what the state
[1:01:48] >> got. So, I don't know that we would get
[1:01:51] a lot of benefit from that because we're
[1:01:52] already doing that.
[1:01:53] >> Okay, cool.
[1:01:56] >> Sweet. Sorry. Thanks.
[1:01:58] >> You're good. Any other questions before
[1:01:59] I accidentally cut Steve off?
[1:02:03] I was slow.
[1:02:04] >> You're good. Okay. Uh grants.
[1:02:07] >> Uh grants. Um so, we have a few grants
[1:02:10] out there. I'll give you a couple
[1:02:11] reports. Um the assistance to
[1:02:14] firefighter grants, which which is the
[1:02:15] one we got from FEMA. We bought our new
[1:02:16] SUVAs through, got everything submitted
[1:02:19] to FEMA to get reimbursed for that one
[1:02:21] and then Homeland Security shut down and
[1:02:25] uh like the very next day after I got it
[1:02:28] all approved. They shut down. So, we've
[1:02:31] been waiting for that one for a little
[1:02:32] while. Um I did finally got hold of
[1:02:36] FEMA. I called every so often and just
[1:02:38] kept getting voicemail saying we're not
[1:02:40] here um due to the shutdown. They shut
[1:02:43] their website down and everything. I
[1:02:44] finally got a hold of someone last week.
[1:02:46] Uh they're back. I did confirm with her
[1:02:49] that everything is approved. They have
[1:02:50] everything on from us that they need.
[1:02:52] Everything's approved on their side.
[1:02:54] Just waiting to release the money and
[1:02:55] she couldn't say when they'll release
[1:02:56] the money, but um so that's an update on
[1:03:00] the AFG grant. Um
[1:03:02] >> the city has paid that bill already,
[1:03:04] right? We're just waiting for
[1:03:05] reimbursement.
[1:03:06] >> Right. Right. We paid the bill. Yeah.
[1:03:08] >> It's called AFG grant.
[1:03:09] >> AFG assistance to firefighter grant.
[1:03:11] Yeah.
[1:03:14] Um, so far no word from the Utah Outdoor
[1:03:17] Recreation Grant we submitted for the
[1:03:18] pickle ball court. Haven't heard from
[1:03:20] them yet. I've checked and they haven't scored them or anything yet. So,
[1:03:24] still I'm not sure what that timeline is
[1:03:27] to hear on that one. Um,
[1:03:33] we did also
[1:03:35] uh submit for a trail grant to
[1:03:38] Mountainland Association of Governments
[1:03:40] um to complete this first segment of our
[1:03:42] trail. Um, as a tech committee member,
[1:03:46] we have been going through the tech
[1:03:47] committee has been going through all of
[1:03:48] those
[1:03:50] grants. Uh
[1:03:54] about a month or so ago, we went through
[1:03:55] the um project idea re um presentations.
[1:04:00] 44 projects were presented to MAG. They
[1:04:02] have about 110 million to 120 million in
[1:04:05] money this year. Uh on their it's their
[1:04:08] two-year cycle. Um there were aboutund
[1:04:10] and well at the time a little over $200
[1:04:13] million in projects submitted. Um we
[1:04:17] went through the first round of what I
[1:04:19] call project ideas. Um there were 44
[1:04:22] project ideas. Um those then got
[1:04:26] feedback got presented to the TAC
[1:04:27] committee. Um one of which we presented
[1:04:30] after our trail. Um after that there was
[1:04:33] feedback from the entirety of the
[1:04:34] committee. 14 of those projects dropped
[1:04:36] off the list. We met yesterday as a TAC
[1:04:40] committee and went through the remaining
[1:04:41] 30 in concept planning phase and we
[1:04:44] ranked them. the staff has now ranked
[1:04:45] them. Uh right now ours is ranked about
[1:04:48] 19 of the 19 out of the 30. Um and it
[1:04:51] just all depends on they're going to
[1:04:53] send out the list. I'm going to try they
[1:04:55] haven't sent out yet, but I'm going to
[1:04:56] try and kind of estimate. We're about
[1:04:57] right on the bubble of whether we get
[1:04:59] funded or not.
[1:05:00] >> Um or really close. So, um we'll see how
[1:05:04] that goes. They also talked about maybe
[1:05:06] breaking out a few trail projects
[1:05:08] separate from road projects because
[1:05:09] there's both trails and roads um and
[1:05:11] transit. Um, so they talked about maybe
[1:05:14] they do a kind of a trail package and a
[1:05:15] roads package type thing. They're not
[1:05:17] sure, but basically once they rank them
[1:05:19] all, uh, we're going to meet one more
[1:05:22] time next Monday just to make sure we're
[1:05:23] okay with the ranking, see if we adjust
[1:05:24] anything, and then it goes to the board,
[1:05:26] which the mayor's a member of, uh, as a
[1:05:28] recommended list, and then
[1:05:30] >> the staff just starts allocating money
[1:05:33] until they run out down the ranking
[1:05:35] list. Uh, so we're we're right on the
[1:05:38] boat.
[1:05:39] >> You got my boat, Ted.
[1:05:41] >> Oh, you're on the board. You're going to
[1:05:42] be the one.
[1:05:42] >> Yeah, you got to start
[1:05:44] >> and making your calls to the other the
[1:05:46] other mayors, right?
[1:05:47] >> I have already started.
[1:05:49] >> Yeah. Wonderful. Okay.
[1:05:51] >> Perfect.
[1:05:51] >> Um and then uh it seemed like we had one
[1:05:55] other grant out there, but uh
[1:05:59] >> water uh
[1:06:00] >> Yes, sorry. Yeah. Uh Burgess Owens. So,
[1:06:03] we did submit a grant to uh Burgess
[1:06:06] Owens for a federal mark for a water
[1:06:08] project. Um haven't heard anything back
[1:06:11] on that one yet. I suspect it's going to
[1:06:12] take a little while. Uh it's got to go
[1:06:14] back for uh federal air mark. So we each senator is allowed to take 20
[1:06:20] projects
[1:06:22] and no 20 or 21. 20 or 21. I think it's
[1:06:26] 20.
[1:06:26] >> Um so of the 20 that Burgess Olen's
[1:06:29] office is taking for federal air, we
[1:06:31] ranked four out of the 20. So there's a
[1:06:34] shot we'll get something. Maybe not that
[1:06:36] we requested. I think it's 2.4 four
[1:06:38] million or 2.9. I don't know we'll get
[1:06:41] the full thing, but but I there's a good
[1:06:43] shot we'll get some for water
[1:06:44] replacement.
[1:06:45] >> Talked to him on Saturday and said, you
[1:06:47] know, we're crossing our fingers. Please
[1:06:49] do whatever we can.
[1:06:50] >> Yeah. Yeah. I emailed him last week to
[1:06:52] his representative, the one I've been
[1:06:54] working with in his office and same
[1:06:56] thing. Said that I was asking for an
[1:06:57] update, but I never heard from me.
[1:06:59] >> Yeah.
[1:07:02] >> Wonderful. Okay. Then we will move to
[1:07:04] the departmental reports unless anybody
[1:07:06] has any questions for Ted on grants.
[1:07:11] » Okay. Uh community development, public
[1:07:13] works, and fire.
[1:07:15] >> All right. So, uh public works and
[1:07:18] community development. Um so, just an
[1:07:20] update on our retaining wall out here. I
[1:07:22] had two different geoteex come to look
[1:07:24] at it for us. Uh one who lives in the
[1:07:26] city and one that um Councilman John's
[1:07:30] recommended. uh met with both of them
[1:07:33] and they both came independently to kind
[1:07:36] of the same assessment. Um the wall
[1:07:39] seems to be fairly stable barring a
[1:07:41] major event, an earthquake or something
[1:07:43] like that. Uh mainly the the concern is
[1:07:45] with some of the rocks are just
[1:07:47] fracturing a bit. Not like falling
[1:07:49] apart, but just pieces of them breaking
[1:07:50] off. It's kind of that shelly stuff. Um
[1:07:53] they both assessed we've probably got
[1:07:55] about three to five years to you know an
[1:07:58] estimated timeline that we should think
[1:08:00] about replacing it within. Uh so it's
[1:08:02] nothing urgent, nothing uh like
[1:08:04] immediate that was a a huge concern to
[1:08:06] them, but uh suggested we start
[1:08:09] budgeting and within the next 3 to 5
[1:08:10] years replace it with something a little different. So and they gave some
[1:08:16] estimated pricing and stuff like that.
[1:08:17] So, we'll talk about it maybe at the
[1:08:19] staff level and just see uh put together
[1:08:21] some prices and see what we want to
[1:08:22] start doing. Come back with some ideas
[1:08:24] on what we start setting aside to to
[1:08:26] budget for the wall maybe to replace the
[1:08:28] next three years.
[1:08:31] >> Great.
[1:08:32] >> Um so also I wanted to ask uh just two
[1:08:38] more things. Sorry. Um
[1:08:41] we got an email yesterday. So, as you
[1:08:43] know, the county is redoing the
[1:08:44] roundabout. Um the timeline of it
[1:08:46] slipped a little bit. It may or may not
[1:08:48] happen this summer.
[1:08:49] >> Their plan was to make it happen this
[1:08:50] summer, but
[1:08:52] they're getting to a point where they
[1:08:54] think they're probably they've still
[1:08:55] going to work through rightway issues
[1:08:57] and that's what may hang them up a
[1:08:58] little bit. If they can't get through
[1:09:00] those quick enough, uh they may end up
[1:09:03] bumping uh a year. Um, however, I did uh
[1:09:08] we've been working with their design
[1:09:09] team and they asked me uh yesterday what
[1:09:12] we would like for landscaping in the
[1:09:14] roundabout.
[1:09:16] >> So, I want to throw that out of the
[1:09:17] council. Just you don't have to answer
[1:09:19] now, but throw me some ideas.
[1:09:22] Um, they said they're willing to put
[1:09:25] back what we have now. Trees. They'll
[1:09:26] put back the flag poles for sure. Uh, if
[1:09:28] we want trees, they'll put trees back.
[1:09:30] If we want more of a zeroscapes type
[1:09:32] stuff, they'll put more zeroscape. Um, I
[1:09:35] just knowing the issues we've had with
[1:09:36] irrigation in that thing, I'm I'm
[1:09:38] hesitant to put plants, but I'll do
[1:09:40] whatever the city wants to do. The trees
[1:09:41] do look nice, but we keep having
[1:09:43] sprinkler breaks and stuff like that flood it, and I'm afraid it's
[1:09:47] could, you know, potentially result in
[1:09:49] damage to around the um
[1:09:52] >> I think residents would prefer some sort
[1:09:54] of greenery there because it is the
[1:09:57] entrance to the city. Um,
[1:10:00] >> it is woodland hills.
[1:10:01] >> Yeah.
[1:10:02] And so I think that they would
[1:10:05] prefer that. Um,
[1:10:06] >> but we could have a big granite mountain
[1:10:09] with a big bronze elk on there.
[1:10:13] >> Yeah. To remind us that we that used to
[1:10:15] be
[1:10:16] >> Welcome to Little Hills. [laughter]
[1:10:17] >> I bet Summit Creek would pay for that.
[1:10:19] >> I told Richard,
[1:10:22] >> Bucky, did you hear me? [laughter]
[1:10:26] » I saw his like this.
[1:10:29] >> Sweet. Thank you, Bucky.
[1:10:31] >> He did. He was bronze elk in the
[1:10:33] roundabout.
[1:10:34] >> A big granite mountain with a bronze
[1:10:36] elk.
[1:10:37] >> The new roundabout.
[1:10:38] >> I think it's only about 60 grand. So
[1:10:40] >> that's it.
[1:10:41] >> So there are a few things they're looking at in type stuff.
[1:10:45] >> If we want a bronze elk
[1:10:48] >> or I suggested I told Richard and Glenn
[1:10:50] we could put statues of them in the
[1:10:51] roundabout to commemorate there.
[1:10:53] >> Yeah.
[1:10:54] >> Um or if we want a city entrance sign,
[1:10:57] those will be costs that we'll probably
[1:10:58] have to bear. They'll put them in, but
[1:10:59] we'll have to provide them with things
[1:11:01] that are kind of beyond what's there to
[1:11:03] a limit.
[1:11:04] >> Just tell them there's a big bronze elk
[1:11:06] in there right now. [laughter]
[1:11:10] >> Does that include any utility in there?
[1:11:11] I know we have we have power in there
[1:11:12] now. I'm guessing
[1:11:13] >> we do have power and they're willing to
[1:11:14] put power back in there to light the
[1:11:16] flag poles and stuff like that. Uh
[1:11:18] they'll replace all that. They'll
[1:11:19] replace everything we have. Um if we go
[1:11:22] too extreme beyond that,
[1:11:25] >> yeah,
[1:11:25] >> you know, they'll want us to to bear
[1:11:27] some of the uh And I'll also end up
[1:11:29] signing a interlocal agreement with them
[1:11:31] that to maintain it again like
[1:11:33] >> which is fine.
[1:11:34] >> What's the just out of curiosity um
[1:11:38] what is
[1:11:41] like a standard protocol for visibility
[1:11:43] over a roundabout? Like I've noticed a
[1:11:45] lot of the roundabouts like the newer
[1:11:46] ones in like Spanish they're basically
[1:11:49] real lowle like so you can see on you
[1:11:51] know all the different cars coming in
[1:11:53] and out. Ours is a little bit taller and
[1:11:56] narrow,
[1:11:56] >> right? But ours is a little bit taller
[1:11:57] where, you know,
[1:12:00] >> you don't see the the And I don't know
[1:12:01] if that's good or bad. Like, do they
[1:12:03] like for for like headlight glare and
[1:12:05] things like that to knock that down? Is
[1:12:07] there like a standard thing that they
[1:12:10] prefer to see inside of a roundabout? So
[1:12:12] there's there's I don't know there's
[1:12:13] like a a a
[1:12:17] when you're looking at the technical
[1:12:18] design of a roundabout. I don't know
[1:12:20] that comes up in the technical design,
[1:12:21] but there is some theory out there that
[1:12:24] when you have trees like ours and you
[1:12:26] can't you limit that visibility through
[1:12:28] the roundabout, people tend to be more
[1:12:29] cautious
[1:12:30] >> because they can't see through the
[1:12:31] roundabout. So they slow down more
[1:12:33] >> to look for oncoming traffic.
[1:12:36] um having the taller walls and that it
[1:12:38] does create some of Spanish Forks. Um I
[1:12:42] did talk to so the engineers that are
[1:12:44] designing this one have also done some
[1:12:45] of Spanish forks. So I talked to about
[1:12:47] maybe they've done one down there that's
[1:12:48] kind of a rock
[1:12:49] >> instead of concrete. The reason they did
[1:12:52] that is because if someone crashes into
[1:12:53] it, it's much easier to replace a rock
[1:12:54] than a concrete wall,
[1:12:56] >> right? So there's kind of mixed um
[1:13:00] reviews on on what you do as far as
[1:13:02] height and what the material is. Um I
[1:13:05] don't know that's really engineering
[1:13:06] technical stuff as it is more of um when
[1:13:08] they're looking at safety um
[1:13:12] replaceability aesthetic stuff like
[1:13:14] that.
[1:13:14] >> I just wondered I've always wondered
[1:13:16] like
[1:13:16] >> I know some people don't because you
[1:13:19] can't see through. So I do hear reports
[1:13:21] back I wish we didn't have those so we
[1:13:22] could see through there but
[1:13:23] >> but when you talk to some of the
[1:13:24] designers around about they say it's
[1:13:26] actually not a bad thing because it
[1:13:27] slows people down more.
[1:13:28] >> Yeah. Do we think that um I don't know
[1:13:31] Sherry you're online but if PTR would
[1:13:34] look at the possibility of of how we
[1:13:37] would like to to have that if it's
[1:13:40] changed at all but also maybe a campaign
[1:13:43] to um get donations for that statue of
[1:13:47] some sort. I think that citizens would
[1:13:50] think that was a cool idea and and maybe
[1:13:53] some of our um some people would want to
[1:13:56] donate extra and some people would want
[1:13:59] to donate a little bit, but I think that
[1:14:01] would be a worthy ask from the parks and
[1:14:04] trails committee.
[1:14:07] >> Okay.
[1:14:10] And we do have some sculptors in town
[1:14:12] that might
[1:14:14] >> That's who I want one from. But that'll
[1:14:15] be
[1:14:16] >> they might they might be willing to give
[1:14:19] us the friends and family discount.
[1:14:22] >> Yeah, you're still paying for bronze.
[1:14:23] >> Well, yeah, you're still paying a lot of
[1:14:24] money, but it might not be 100,000.
[1:14:26] Maybe it's only going to be
[1:14:28] >> 40,000.
[1:14:29] >> So, I have spoken with Mark already on
[1:14:31] front. Um, and well, I've most mostly
[1:14:33] spoken to his wife because she's the
[1:14:35] business end.
[1:14:36] >> Yeah. So he has an eagle, a bald eagle
[1:14:39] that is called Liberty and it stands
[1:14:42] about 6 feet tall and so it's kind of an
[1:14:45] eagle flying, you know, a lot of time
[1:14:47] come in.
[1:14:49] >> Well, elk is kind of in Elk Ridge,
[1:14:52] right? And so there's been thoughts on
[1:14:54] maybe not an elk simply because our
[1:14:57] neighboring city is Elk Ridge. Um, and
[1:15:00] us it'd be a little presumptive, but
[1:15:03] >> I don't think so. We're the ones that
[1:15:04] get the elk at the round belt. Did you
[1:15:07] see them there yesterday? They were
[1:15:09] >> But has no elk.
[1:15:10] >> If we get something that he's already
[1:15:12] sculpted, there is a much lower price
[1:15:15] cuz then all he has to do is cast in wax
[1:15:17] and then take it to the refin the
[1:15:19] >> okay
[1:15:19] >> to the refinery and then he just has to
[1:15:21] get it cast in bronze versus sculpting
[1:15:24] something. So, if you're going to do a
[1:15:27] mountain or boulder stack with an an elk
[1:15:30] on it, that is a very very custom piece
[1:15:35] and a bronze at that size. You're
[1:15:38] looking potentially in the six digits,
[1:15:41] >> right? So, we might have to look outside
[1:15:43] of just a a local person. We might look
[1:15:46] to the surrounding areas for other
[1:15:49] sculpt.
[1:15:49] >> You're talking
[1:15:51] that they sell a lot of.
[1:15:52] >> Yeah. If we go down to Home Depot when
[1:15:54] that aluminum guy's down there, we could
[1:15:56] really score big.
[1:15:58] >> He's out in front of the steakhouse
[1:16:00] usually. Yeah. By Home Depot, right?
[1:16:02] Think of that guy.
[1:16:03] >> We could get We could get a steak and
[1:16:05] then check out the
[1:16:06] >> He also sells little green men. That
[1:16:08] would be fun. We could throw a few
[1:16:09] aliens,
[1:16:09] >> but I know there's a few sculptures. I
[1:16:11] mean, a few cities have sculpture
[1:16:14] sculptures in their city, and we could
[1:16:15] maybe ask
[1:16:16] >> the city that they have the
[1:16:18] >> um Springfield has quite a few.
[1:16:21] >> I
[1:16:22] um at the entrance of of uh Snow Canyon.
[1:16:26] I know I mean this is 15 20 years ago.
[1:16:29] They spent about a million dollars on
[1:16:31] the round about all the statues in the
[1:16:32] middle of it
[1:16:34] >> and they're like super custom bronze. I
[1:16:36] know the developer that that worked that
[1:16:40] through with the city.
[1:16:42] the fire guys are just a fire tornado
[1:16:44] that just
[1:16:45] >> No,
[1:16:49] I try not to cut you guys off too much,
[1:16:50] but we're moving that helicopter.
[1:16:53] >> We are moving on.
[1:16:54] >> Sherry has her hand up.
[1:16:55] >> Sherry, I'll let you talk here now.
[1:16:57] >> I'm I'm as PTR, I'm willing to put a,
[1:17:02] you know, a blurb out there on the
[1:17:03] Facebook page what the community would
[1:17:05] like to see just so we can get community
[1:17:08] input. Um,
[1:17:10] >> yeah. Yeah.
[1:17:12] >> Yeah.
[1:17:12] >> No, I think that would be great if uh if
[1:17:14] you could before you send that, Sherry,
[1:17:16] could you just send me the the the print
[1:17:18] copy on that, the text that you want to
[1:17:20] send out?
[1:17:21] >> You bet.
[1:17:23] >> Thank you.
[1:17:25] Okay, perfect.
[1:17:28] What do you got next?
[1:17:29] >> Um Oh, see this page right here? You
[1:17:32] guys just get comfortable. Um
[1:17:36] just kid one last thing, and this is
[1:17:38] nothing to make a decision on. just
[1:17:40] wanted to see what the council's
[1:17:41] appetite is for this um to see how far I
[1:17:44] pursue it. But um
[1:17:45] >> no,
[1:17:47] >> there is there is a helicopter that's
[1:17:49] for sale that's
[1:17:51] >> So I've been looking into warning signs
[1:17:54] um for our fire station.
[1:17:56] >> So these would be warning signs that
[1:17:58] would replace So right now we have these
[1:18:00] a firet truck here sign a fire truck
[1:18:02] down there. Uh they're just fire station
[1:18:04] type signs. These are actually warning
[1:18:06] signs that would activate when we come
[1:18:10] in the station. There would be a button
[1:18:12] we would hit that would flash those
[1:18:14] lights to warn traffic were actually
[1:18:16] leaving the station and then they would
[1:18:19] be active for like 5 minutes, give us
[1:18:20] time to get gone and then they and then
[1:18:22] they deactivate.
[1:18:23] >> That's a great idea.
[1:18:24] >> Um so it requires a bit of an equipment
[1:18:27] setup. Um it would be a couple of signs
[1:18:31] and then you would need a repeater
[1:18:32] because on one side it would have to
[1:18:35] come as a they have to set up the
[1:18:36] equipment in station for the button
[1:18:38] everything the antenna that would then
[1:18:39] talk but it can't reach the one sign so
[1:18:41] it would have to have a repeater over
[1:18:42] here that then reaches down to that
[1:18:44] sign. I think this would be okay. Bottom
[1:18:46] line is is we're roughly looking in the
[1:18:48] neighborhood of probably 20 to 25,000
[1:18:50] set those up. Um, so nothing to make a
[1:18:54] decision on, but I've just been working
[1:18:56] with a guy to figure this out. Um,
[1:19:00] it's always been, I think,
[1:19:01] nerve-wracking, uh, for our department
[1:19:04] when we're leaving because we get a lot
[1:19:06] of people flying up and down these hills
[1:19:08] and when we're leaving lights and
[1:19:10] sirens,
[1:19:12] um, sometimes, you know, it's hard for
[1:19:14] people to catch their brakes when we're
[1:19:16] coming out or we have to catch our
[1:19:18] brakes.
[1:19:19] >> It's such a blind spot. And it is a
[1:19:21] blind spot. So it's kind of a a warning
[1:19:23] system that would flash when
[1:19:26] >> that when we hit
[1:19:27] >> that makes sense.
[1:19:28] >> Um so it would catch their attention.
[1:19:29] Wouldn't be flashing all the time
[1:19:30] because the problem with flashing all
[1:19:32] the times that people get used to them
[1:19:33] then they don't know when it's emergency
[1:19:35] or not but they would flash when we're
[1:19:37] hitting a button beating.
[1:19:38] >> So the resident that's right there
[1:19:41] across the street on the corner, he's
[1:19:42] kind of extra happy. So where would
[1:19:46] these signs be? Would they not be
[1:19:48] [clears throat] on his property?
[1:19:49] Hopefully.
[1:19:50] >> So, they would almost be about where the
[1:19:52] >> It's kind of grumpy
[1:19:53] >> current sign is.
[1:19:55] >> So, there's one up here.
[1:19:57] >> It would be about where that sign is up
[1:19:59] here. If you when you come down to look
[1:20:00] at that fire station,
[1:20:01] >> the one down here would actually go down
[1:20:04] uh you know this house right here on the
[1:20:05] corner has the driveway that comes out
[1:20:06] kind of right on the band. It would go
[1:20:07] kind of below his driveway down there.
[1:20:09] >> Oh, [clears throat] okay.
[1:20:11] >> Yeah,
[1:20:12] >> I can talk to both of them. That'd be
[1:20:13] good. And we'd have to put a repeater
[1:20:15] right here in the corner of our city
[1:20:16] facility to get the signal down to it.
[1:20:20] And that was the guy I kind of went
[1:20:21] through, but anyway, think about um
[1:20:24] >> Yeah, I think because you could use it
[1:20:26] for that for when you when eventually,
[1:20:30] you know, for fire or ambulance or even
[1:20:33] snowplow coming out because, you know,
[1:20:35] those are big equipments, too. And
[1:20:37] unless you see the light, you you know
[1:20:40] and I
[1:20:41] >> Okay. I backed out of my driveway one
[1:20:42] time and Ben took me out. It was fun.
[1:20:45] >> The snowplow.
[1:20:46] >> Yeah.
[1:20:47] >> I had to dive off in the ditch once Corp
[1:20:49] was driving the big orange one day.
[1:20:52] >> Yeah.
[1:20:53] >> See, there's a difference between almost
[1:20:54] and did.
[1:20:56] >> Yeah. I flipped out and he was right
[1:20:58] there and I went, "Oh,
[1:20:59] >> that was John. That wasn't me.
[1:21:02] >> That was you."
[1:21:03] >> This has always been a concern. One one
[1:21:05] accident, you know. I mean, the
[1:21:07] [laughter] the challenge is when you're responding in an emergency,
[1:21:11] you're going to help somebody. If we end
[1:21:13] up in a wreck now, not only we not
[1:21:15] helping that person, but we've created
[1:21:16] another incident.
[1:21:18] >> So, sometimes you got to look at the
[1:21:20] value of money versus
[1:21:22] >> value of life. So,
[1:21:25] >> yeah,
[1:21:25] >> I think that's all I got.
[1:21:26] >> Perfect.
[1:21:27] >> Thanks.
[1:21:28] >> Okay, Wayne, planning commission and
[1:21:31] code enforcement.
[1:21:34] » All's good.
[1:21:37] You've seen our new city offices out
[1:21:39] here in the parking lot.
[1:21:41] >> Yeah, I was wondering about those.
[1:21:43] >> Um, that'll be our new mailboxes.
[1:21:46] >> Um,
[1:21:48] so
[1:21:48] >> temporary mailboxes. [laughter]
[1:21:51] >> We don't we don't we don't know when
[1:21:53] those will be in effect though because
[1:21:56] that might not be delayed.
[1:21:57] >> It it's it there's several moving parts
[1:22:01] to that. One is when the where the
[1:22:02] county is going to start working on on
[1:22:06] the roundabout down there and then the uh the demo of our current mailboxes
[1:22:13] down there. The the new mail part of the
[1:22:17] new mailboxes sufficient for our city
[1:22:19] have been ordered. Uh Three Bridges has
[1:22:22] ordered those. So, uh we're waiting for
[1:22:24] their arrival. I would anticipate
[1:22:27] sometime in the next couple of weeks.
[1:22:29] They're willing to store them for us
[1:22:32] until we have this container built out
[1:22:35] and framed so that the mailbox is their
[1:22:38] insert so that they will insert into the trailer. Uh once once the new
[1:22:46] facility is available, those inserts
[1:22:48] will come out and we'll move them down
[1:22:51] to the new new facility. it'll already
[1:22:53] be marked with names and addresses and
[1:22:56] so forth. So, that'll take care of that.
[1:22:59] We're um this is a container that was
[1:23:03] over at the the salt shed and we was
[1:23:07] being used for storage. We took all the
[1:23:09] stuff out of it that's sitting out over
[1:23:11] there. Some of it needs to be um more protected. We have a a smaller
[1:23:18] container up at the uh um water tank and
[1:23:23] tomorrow we're moving that to the salt
[1:23:25] shed and will be used in to put maybe
[1:23:27] some of these more environmental
[1:23:29] sensitive things, lumbering
[1:23:34] equipment.
[1:23:36] >> Um how are we because it's anticipated
[1:23:38] it's going to be very hot this summer.
[1:23:41] How are we going to be cooling that
[1:23:43] facility? Oh yeah, we needed Well, what
[1:23:46] happened to my blanket? I'm saying I'm
[1:23:47] freezing, too.
[1:23:49] >> I didn't know that.
[1:23:50] >> Oh my word.
[1:23:51] >> Well, well, I got up to look at the
[1:23:53] thing.
[1:23:53] >> You got me a Thank you.
[1:23:57] >> You're spoiled. It's because she's mayor
[1:23:58] of pro temp. She gets everything.
[1:23:59] >> No, no, no. It's just [laughter] I made
[1:24:01] friends with them in St. George because
[1:24:03] right there.
[1:24:04] >> I know in here. Why are you with us to
[1:24:06] see if we can fix it? But it's cold.
[1:24:09] I want to know about the cooling system
[1:24:11] of this as people, especially those who
[1:24:14] have to walk in all the way to the back
[1:24:16] and and get their mail out. How are we
[1:24:18] going to keep that temperature not
[1:24:20] getting extra hot?
[1:24:21] >> I I would think with the with the
[1:24:25] >> or not
[1:24:26] >> with the 30 m 30 seconds that it takes
[1:24:28] them to walk into that facility, they
[1:24:30] can keep their car running and jump
[1:24:32] right back into air conditioner car.
[1:24:34] Mhm.
[1:24:34] >> Uh if need be to, we could probably put
[1:24:36] a fan, just a a air fan in there.
[1:24:39] >> We have a circulation fan, and if
[1:24:42] [clears throat] it really gets to that
[1:24:43] point, we will figure something.
[1:24:46] >> We need to put some roof vents. That
[1:24:49] would make it
[1:24:50] >> there. There's already a vent in there
[1:24:52] for in uh on on the corners for
[1:24:56] circulation.
[1:24:57] >> I can donate. I have a big fan.
[1:24:59] >> We just don't want anybody calling
[1:25:00] Dudson saying, "Hey,
[1:25:04] the city has is doing something and
[1:25:06] there will be cameras on it as well.
[1:25:08] >> Yes, cameras we know cameras.
[1:25:09] >> So, a suggestion's been made that we uh
[1:25:13] have a little city contest. Think about
[1:25:15] it uh for uh kids and artists to draw to
[1:25:20] tag the the container somewhere or
[1:25:23] another and then maybe have
[1:25:25] >> have a judgment of it and award somebody
[1:25:28] >> name the temporary mailboxes contest. Is
[1:25:30] that what you're talking about?
[1:25:31] >> No. to the
[1:25:33] >> Oh, to like spray painting, graffiti.
[1:25:35] Yeah,
[1:25:36] >> however they would want to end up on
[1:25:38] Jod's G. Urban Art.
[1:25:40] >> No. [laughter]
[1:25:42] >> Well, I was thinking of also another
[1:25:44] option would be to have it tagged in a
[1:25:49] more professional way with regards to
[1:25:52] our America 250.
[1:25:54] >> Oh, that might be fun.
[1:25:55] >> Um, so maybe a big huge flag, an eagle,
[1:25:58] big two something. But maybe what we do
[1:26:00] is we have a submitt on the design of it
[1:26:05] versus the actual tagging.
[1:26:07] >> Yeah.
[1:26:08] >> But sometimes that might be a good idea.
[1:26:11] >> Keep that in mind with as we go forward
[1:26:13] >> with any ideas.
[1:26:17] [clears throat]
[1:26:18] >> It's all container so we can kind of do
[1:26:20] with it as we want.
[1:26:22] >> Yeah. There's probably a few people. I
[1:26:24] mean I'm trying to think of the mayor
[1:26:26] who does this. Um and because they were
[1:26:29] getting so many people tagging around
[1:26:31] the city and instead he went to him and
[1:26:35] said, "Hey, um if you'll stop this and
[1:26:38] clean up, each of you can have can put
[1:26:41] in your tagging." And they would do one
[1:26:44] section every month and the person will
[1:26:46] come and do it and and so that they
[1:26:48] still had an outlet for tagging, but
[1:26:50] they were chosen then so that they
[1:26:53] wouldn't do it somewhere else. But I bet
[1:26:55] you there's somebody who who's good at
[1:26:56] it. We could use a salt shed for
[1:26:58] something like that.
[1:26:59] >> No, we're not tagging the buildings.
[1:27:02] >> Well, it's right next to the golf
[1:27:04] course. Maybe they would appreciate
[1:27:05] >> We're not starting that
[1:27:07] >> on on code enforcement. Uh there's we've
[1:27:11] got three complaints and one's resolved
[1:27:14] and we're working on the other two. So,
[1:27:16] just for your information,
[1:27:17] >> have we sent them through the the new
[1:27:19] form?
[1:27:20] >> No.
[1:27:22] >> Okay. Let's send them through the new
[1:27:24] form.
[1:27:24] >> We're working on that.
[1:27:25] >> Perfect. I'm
[1:27:26] >> not doing it. [laughter]
[1:27:29] >> Okay. Thank you, Wayne.
[1:27:31] >> Okay. Uh, mayor and city council
[1:27:33] reports. Um,
[1:27:36] personnel. Um, everything is going well
[1:27:39] and I do have an update. We'll actually
[1:27:40] I'm going to request that we go into
[1:27:42] close session for personnel u matter. Um
[1:27:46] legal update really there isn't too much
[1:27:50] um beyond your question during the
[1:27:52] financials there Steve is we are
[1:27:55] currently covering both sets of
[1:27:57] attorneys and thus that number is so
[1:27:59] high um and we're looking at that
[1:28:01] strategically in a number of different
[1:28:02] ways potentially. So
[1:28:05] um Council Member Hutchings Planning
[1:28:07] Commission.
[1:28:12] » Sorry about that. Um, so with the
[1:28:14] planning commission,
[1:28:16] Wayne, you're supposed to take care of
[1:28:17] that for me. I don't think you did.
[1:28:20] Um,
[1:28:22] they the the planning commission talked
[1:28:24] about the conditional use um for three
[1:28:29] bridges for the um
[1:28:32] uh the rock crushing and and the the
[1:28:35] sifting of the of the material. Um, and
[1:28:38] they recommended to go ahead and and
[1:28:40] pass that on to us. again we had that
[1:28:42] discussion already. Um and they talked
[1:28:45] about
[1:28:48] oh the
[1:28:52] um
[1:28:54] the plat the new plat uh for the Summit
[1:28:58] Creek. Um
[1:29:02] and I believe I believe that was pretty
[1:29:04] much it. Uh so that's all I've got for them.
[1:29:09] >> Wonderful. Um, I actually forgot. Uh, I
[1:29:12] do have Aaron here for emergency
[1:29:14] management.
[1:29:17] I guess I have four items to share with
[1:29:19] you guys.
[1:29:24] Uh, today I was at the county EM meeting
[1:29:27] and we listened to the
[1:29:30] um the National Weather Service
[1:29:33] representative. um he's giving us an
[1:29:35] update in regards to forecasts of this
[1:29:38] summer's potential weather to expect and
[1:29:41] particularly in relationship to our fire
[1:29:44] risks. Um he said that um we are we've
[1:29:49] already had in the past 6 months the
[1:29:51] highest record temperatures in our
[1:29:53] history. So, [gasps]
[1:29:56] it's translated into a very low snow
[1:29:58] melt a snow um pack and which right now
[1:30:03] our water that we've got in the city in the state is actually not bad. The
[1:30:06] problem is the snow melt that usually
[1:30:10] comes in May, June, July is not going to
[1:30:12] be there. And so they're expecting
[1:30:16] particularly for this area here, June
[1:30:17] and July will be the above normal fire
[1:30:21] activity that we should be aware of in
[1:30:26] we already knew that was probably going
[1:30:27] to be the case, right? So I'm just kind
[1:30:29] of
[1:30:32] selling it to the choir. But what I want
[1:30:34] to propose is a fire drill that our city
[1:30:38] has citywide. Not that we actually leave
[1:30:41] the city, but we act like we're going to
[1:30:45] and don't. Um, that we test our
[1:30:48] communication system with uh the general
[1:30:50] public. We test the ability of them to
[1:30:52] be able to respond back to us, letting
[1:30:54] us know that they're evacuated.
[1:30:56] Um, and then test our internal staff on
[1:30:59] how they're going to react to it by
[1:31:01] setting up our EOC system and testing
[1:31:03] everybody's skill levels and be able to
[1:31:05] do that. So, I'm proposing a date of
[1:31:08] June 20th. It's a Saturday 10:00 a.m.
[1:31:11] and I don't know if there's a conflict.
[1:31:15] >> Not on the city calendar that I'm aware
[1:31:17] of. No, no events or anything.
[1:31:20] >> Okay.
[1:31:21] Um if that's okay.
[1:31:23] >> Is that Father's Day weekend?
[1:31:25] >> That's what I'm thinking.
[1:31:27] >> First is Father's Day.
[1:31:28] >> Yeah.
[1:31:28] >> But sometimes people go out of town, but
[1:31:31] it's all right because they would they
[1:31:32] would notify that they're not in town.
[1:31:34] >> This is Father's Day, not Mother's Day.
[1:31:36] We'll be fine.
[1:31:37] >> Yeah.
[1:31:39] >> [laughter]
[1:31:41] >> Come on.
[1:31:42] >> There's lots of
[1:31:44] >> So, if you guys agree to that, I've got
[1:31:46] >> coordinate with our staff cuz if he's
[1:31:47] gone, that's not going to be good.
[1:31:49] >> Yeah. Let's Let's bring this to staff
[1:31:52] meeting on Monday.
[1:31:53] >> Okay.
[1:31:54] >> There's a lot of planning we got to do.
[1:31:55] >> Yeah. Okay. So, you guys go that then
[1:31:57] I've got a timeline to get things done
[1:31:59] by so that we can prepare and do the
[1:32:01] best results. But even if people are out
[1:32:02] of town, that's part of the process is
[1:32:05] be them being able to send a
[1:32:07] notification. I am not home.
[1:32:09] >> Correct. And that's what I expect to
[1:32:10] happen. And I want to coach people to
[1:32:11] let us know that yes, they're in Hawaii
[1:32:13] on vacation. Don't worry about them.
[1:32:15] Their house is empty and things like
[1:32:17] that. Um so that was
[1:32:20] >> although they might want you to save
[1:32:21] their chicken.
[1:32:23] >> That's possible. Yeah.
[1:32:25] for we might want to talk about, you
[1:32:27] know, that in our staff meeting, how we
[1:32:29] might help people with their animals.
[1:32:32] >> Um, then
[1:32:35] give you an update on the generator. I
[1:32:37] might have found a way to save us
[1:32:39] $20,000 on that.
[1:32:41] Say,
[1:32:42] >> yay. Yay. Yeah.
[1:32:44] >> Um but it would require us to hardwire
[1:32:47] the generator to the building um to be
[1:32:51] able to shortcut that $20,000 cost
[1:32:53] because part of the $20,000 cost was a
[1:32:55] stupid coupling.
[1:32:57] >> And hard wiring I found out is actually
[1:32:59] just as um um good and a lot cheaper.
[1:33:03] Just requires us to have a a qualified
[1:33:05] electrician do the wiring, which we kind
[1:33:08] of know a few of those. At least one.
[1:33:09] >> We know a few of them.
[1:33:10] >> Yeah. So, I was going to pursue that and
[1:33:13] give you guys a new update on that on
[1:33:14] the next city council meeting. So, you
[1:33:15] guys can say, "Hey, we're good with
[1:33:17] saving 20 grand and we'll move forward
[1:33:18] with the other expenses."
[1:33:20] >> Okay.
[1:33:22] >> Um and then also I mentioned last uh
[1:33:24] council meeting that I told you there
[1:33:25] was a service that the county has. It
[1:33:27] tells us about what happens to um
[1:33:31] during a major disaster where a facility
[1:33:33] down in the valley catches a fire and
[1:33:35] blows up and then the plume has
[1:33:37] accumulated.
[1:33:38] uh just let you know I got access to
[1:33:40] that today. So we'll be able to take a
[1:33:42] look at that service and see which
[1:33:44] businesses are within a certain range of [snorts] hills that could affect us
[1:33:48] and if there's none then I'll check that
[1:33:51] off.
[1:33:52] >> The other thing is if there's a if there
[1:33:54] was a chemical spill on the freeway or
[1:33:56] even in highway 6 sometimes those plumes
[1:33:58] can come up and over as well depending
[1:34:01] on the jetream.
[1:34:02] >> Okay. So uh just giving you the updates
[1:34:05] on those things. I think there's
[1:34:07] >> you want to mention the earthquake.
[1:34:08] Yeah.
[1:34:09] >> Um yeah, I was going to mention that in
[1:34:11] the earth in the emergency manager
[1:34:13] meeting this morning saying that we we
[1:34:14] activated our EOC for a 2.5
[1:34:17] earthquake. [laughter]
[1:34:18] >> I know our EOC was everybody texting.
[1:34:21] Did you did you fill that? Did you fill
[1:34:23] up?
[1:34:24] >> Um yeah, we talked about it. This is at
[1:34:27] the county level, but everybody kind of
[1:34:28] laughed at me. So [laughter]
[1:34:32] » I had sent a text to them all. Did you
[1:34:34] guys just fill that? They're like, "No,
[1:34:36] >> they were laughing at you, too." So,
[1:34:37] >> I know, [laughter]
[1:34:38] >> but it it's a good wake up call for
[1:34:40] those who um have never felt an
[1:34:42] earthquake. If they did feel it, it's
[1:34:44] kind of cool. But
[1:34:44] >> and heard it coming from it was a
[1:34:46] hearing.
[1:34:46] >> Coming from California, I don't
[1:34:48] recognize anything unless it's over
[1:34:49] four.
[1:34:50] >> Same.
[1:34:51] >> Yeah.
[1:34:52] >> But I did think of you when everyone
[1:34:53] texted on the board.
[1:34:55] >> I'm like, Aaron's going to like this.
[1:34:57] >> Yeah, I [laughter] saw it.
[1:34:58] >> What was funny is there were a few
[1:35:00] people that were a little dramatic about
[1:35:02] it on Facebook and I just kind of
[1:35:04] chuckled. I'm like, you know, my house
[1:35:06] just made a weird noise.
[1:35:08] >> Okay,
[1:35:08] >> that was about it.
[1:35:09] >> Any other questions? That's my four
[1:35:11] things.
[1:35:12] >> No.
[1:35:13] >> All right.
[1:35:14] >> Okay. Council member Johns, public
[1:35:16] safety.
[1:35:17] >> Um, yeah. So, we we had a meeting just
[1:35:20] before the previous council meeting. Um,
[1:35:23] and, uh, that was just before the Maple
[1:35:25] Days as well. So, just talking about the
[1:35:27] events coming up this this year. Um,
[1:35:30] just making sure that we're ready with
[1:35:32] different needs.
[1:35:34] Nothing too exciting on that front. Um,
[1:35:37] this this Saturday though, we do want to
[1:35:39] let everybody know we're doing the fire
[1:35:41] and EMS expo. So, that will be down at
[1:35:44] the park. Uh, we will have lifelight
[1:35:46] helicopter. We're going to be doing a
[1:35:49] demonstration on some of the jaws of
[1:35:50] life and some of those tools and things
[1:35:52] like that. So, it's going to be a
[1:35:54] >> starts at 11.
[1:35:55] >> Uh, 11, right?
[1:35:56] >> 11 to two.
[1:35:57] >> 11 to one.
[1:35:58] >> 11 to1.
[1:35:59] >> No, I have 11 to two.
[1:36:00] >> 11 to two.
[1:36:00] >> That's so you can help clean up.
[1:36:02] >> Yeah. Okay. Yeah, [laughter]
[1:36:04] I thought it was a lemon one, but some
[1:36:06] people might see
[1:36:08] >> Dan's been doing advertising and he's done some really cool graphics and
[1:36:12] stuff for it. So,
[1:36:13] >> yeah,
[1:36:14] >> fun.
[1:36:14] >> Yeah.
[1:36:16] >> So, we'll we'll have some lunch. We
[1:36:17] should have enough lunch this time, too.
[1:36:19] And
[1:36:19] >> yeah, last year we ran out of food.
[1:36:20] >> Hot dogs and chili.
[1:36:22] >> Yeah, sweet.
[1:36:23] >> Um,
[1:36:24] >> which is crazy.
[1:36:26] >> So, part of that and and this will be
[1:36:28] really good for the residents um
[1:36:30] springboarding off what Aaron was
[1:36:31] talking about. It is a dry year. We've
[1:36:33] already had a lot of um brush calls,
[1:36:37] wildland calls. Um and it's probably
[1:36:39] just going to be a dry summer. So um we
[1:36:43] want we're going to have a signup booth
[1:36:46] where anybody can can get a what are we
[1:36:49] calling it? Consultation appointment
[1:36:51] with with the fire department so that we
[1:36:53] can come and assess your property, just
[1:36:54] make sure it's safe. Not in any sort of
[1:36:57] a violation catchway, but a hey, how can
[1:37:00] we help you improve? what kind of ideas.
[1:37:02] So, so, um, we will have that and we
[1:37:05] would encourage everybody to get their
[1:37:07] neighbors out because the more of that
[1:37:08] we can do, it's good for all of us. So,
[1:37:11] >> and I know there's several several
[1:37:12] people in town, especially some youth,
[1:37:15] who have advertised that if you get your
[1:37:17] assessment, they'll come in and and you
[1:37:20] can pay them relatively uh
[1:37:23] >> affordable to get that mitigation work
[1:37:26] done. and and we might encourage some of
[1:37:28] those who have posted to be near there
[1:37:31] so that they can hand out their flyer.
[1:37:34] >> Yeah, if anybody knows of those that would be great. So
[1:37:39] yeah,
[1:37:40] >> you think you can have we can set up
[1:37:41] some room for them to put their flyers
[1:37:43] up, especially for the youth. Um but
[1:37:46] even like Preston
[1:37:48] not not a not a bad idea. I mean a city
[1:37:50] our our wildland crew does it. Um, we've
[1:37:53] got youth and we've got Preston and some
[1:37:55] other people that might be willing to do
[1:37:56] that. And we can set up a table. That's
[1:37:59] a really good idea, Carrie, to set up a
[1:38:01] table there that they can kind of give
[1:38:04] them contacts.
[1:38:06] >> Yeah, I think that'd be a great idea.
[1:38:09] So, we're we're just hoping we can get a
[1:38:11] real heavy community involvement just
[1:38:14] because it will will be
[1:38:15] >> maybe one other thing to mention as part
[1:38:17] of that is many of you know the state
[1:38:19] has put out a new severity map uh to
[1:38:22] determine if you your house is actually
[1:38:24] located in an extreme wildland area. Um,
[1:38:29] we'll have a computer up there. We can
[1:38:31] pull up an address and show people where
[1:38:33] they're at or what the state, now once
[1:38:36] again, this is a state map, not a city
[1:38:37] map. Uh, what they have assessed their
[1:38:41] area to be in extreme. We're all in a
[1:38:44] fairly severe, but a portion of the city
[1:38:47] is extreme. So, people could look at
[1:38:48] that and see what kind of how that
[1:38:50] affects them. As you know, House Bill
[1:38:51] 48, they're going to start charging a
[1:38:53] fee for those that are in extreme
[1:38:54] wildland areas. Uh the fee has been
[1:38:56] delayed till 2027 now, but um
[1:39:00] [clears throat] but we can show them on
[1:39:01] the map and show them how to get to the
[1:39:03] map. Uh that way they can know and then
[1:39:05] we can look at uh like Steve said
[1:39:07] consultation with them
[1:39:09] >> to figure out what they do at their
[1:39:10] houses and stuff like that.
[1:39:11] >> Well, and also some of those because
[1:39:12] those maps are out, there have been some
[1:39:15] insurance companies who have looked at
[1:39:17] the map and then made changes to
[1:39:19] insurance based on those maps that have
[1:39:21] nothing to do with the city. It is those
[1:39:23] state maps. And so that might be another
[1:39:26] way we can inform the residents um of
[1:39:30] why their insurance company may be
[1:39:31] talking to them about the wildland
[1:39:34] interface ordinance and this new state
[1:39:36] law.
[1:39:36] >> A lot of people are aware of it because
[1:39:38] I've gotten lots of inquiries about it.
[1:39:41] >> Yeah.
[1:39:41] >> We can show them how to look it up and
[1:39:43] show their house, that kind of stuff,
[1:39:44] too.
[1:39:45] Oh, well, some residents think that that
[1:39:47] map is the city's map and I've been
[1:39:49] telling them, "No, it's a state map, but
[1:39:51] we we need to just maybe that would be a
[1:39:54] way for them to maybe understand it a
[1:39:56] little better."
[1:39:58] >> What was that answer?
[1:39:59] >> I'm curious if there is any anything
[1:40:01] that needs to be done at the park
[1:40:03] regarding, you know, do we need to clear
[1:40:06] any areas? It could be a service
[1:40:08] activity where people are learning
[1:40:10] exactly how it's done,
[1:40:12] >> how to look at it in conjunction with
[1:40:14] this.
[1:40:15] >> It's a great idea. In fact, that's
[1:40:17] >> Yeah.
[1:40:17] >> Perfect.
[1:40:18] >> Yeah. I I think that's a great thing and
[1:40:20] maybe that's something we can we can
[1:40:21] merge with the uh uh with Sher and your parks and wreck stuff because um I
[1:40:28] think there's plenty of opportunity that
[1:40:30] we could do like clearing training and
[1:40:32] things like that. There was a ward that
[1:40:34] was going to do some clearing and
[1:40:36] cleaning up right before um the maple
[1:40:38] festival, but then it snowed.
[1:40:40] >> Well, we were still there.
[1:40:43] >> They were still there in the snow.
[1:40:45] >> All right. Good job.
[1:40:46] >> It was
[1:40:46] >> It [laughter] was a I wondered.
[1:40:48] >> Yeah, they still went.
[1:40:50] >> Yeah. Square Donuts, I think, or
[1:40:51] something.
[1:40:52] >> So So bottom line is there will be
[1:40:54] something for everybody. I mean, even if
[1:40:56] you're an adult, we'll we'll give you a
[1:40:58] chance to run some hoses and see what
[1:41:00] kind of water pressure there is and, you
[1:41:03] know, drag some things around and it's really pretty fun. So,
[1:41:08] >> we're going to have extrication tools up
[1:41:09] there this year.
[1:41:10] >> Yeah.
[1:41:12] >> I'm going to provide vitals.
[1:41:14] >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. And Aaron's going to
[1:41:16] check your vitals, make sure you're
[1:41:17] alive. Maybe it would be good to have
[1:41:18] some of those reels from the fire
[1:41:20] department and the mayor and stuff to
[1:41:22] put on social media so people know that
[1:41:24] it's that there's more things this year
[1:41:27] than maybe we've had in the past.
[1:41:29] >> I feel a TED video coming on.
[1:41:31] >> Yeah, a TED video would be good. An
[1:41:33] errand video.
[1:41:33] >> You were very popular last time.
[1:41:36] [laughter]
[1:41:38] >> It's hard to be a star. Just is.
[1:41:41] >> It's a lifestyle.
[1:41:42] >> Yeah, likes to be. But I think that that
[1:41:44] engages the citizens when we have those
[1:41:46] little videos out and you know and and
[1:41:48] then being able to reach out and say,
[1:41:50] "Hey, if you're if you're one of the
[1:41:52] kids in town that's helping with
[1:41:53] mitigation work, we have a tape for
[1:41:55] you."
[1:41:55] >> Yeah. Yeah, that's great.
[1:41:56] >> You know, just a few different videos.
[1:41:58] So, we only got a few days to help get
[1:42:01] you
[1:42:02] >> so that you [laughter]
[1:42:03] actually I don't really like being on
[1:42:06] camera, but it was much uh easier. I
[1:42:09] could explain more went quicker because
[1:42:12] I'm I'm not a typer. That's why I don't
[1:42:14] do a lot of social media and all that
[1:42:15] kind of stuff.
[1:42:16] >> Talk about that.
[1:42:16] >> That's why I'm always not my TED talk
[1:42:18] into the newsletter before it goes out.
[1:42:20] >> I got nothing for the newsletter so far.
[1:42:21] Nobody said
[1:42:22] >> so. So So we have three days.
[1:42:24] >> We got two more days.
[1:42:26] >> So we have three days until till it
[1:42:28] happens, right? So if we if Ted did a
[1:42:30] video and Steve did a video and Dan did
[1:42:33] a video, that would give us three days
[1:42:36] of videos on getting people there.
[1:42:38] >> Sure. Is is the emergency manager
[1:42:40] allowed to put anything in the
[1:42:41] newsletter for her?
[1:42:42] >> Absolutely.
[1:42:43] >> Well, maybe Janet.
[1:42:45] >> Yeah, you just you just email it to me.
[1:42:48] >> Okay.
[1:42:49] >> We we always need more content. We're
[1:42:51] always looking for content.
[1:42:52] >> Okay. I got two days.
[1:42:54] >> Perfect.
[1:42:55] >> Okay, John.
[1:42:55] >> Well, I got two days to get the
[1:42:57] newsletter done. So,
[1:42:58] >> man with two first names.
[1:43:00] >> Yeah, that's [laughter] right.
[1:43:00] >> Yeah. The man with two first names.
[1:43:02] >> Wonderful. Janet.
[1:43:04] >> Janet. Um, so I don't have anything
[1:43:08] submitted for the newsletter yet. And
[1:43:11] who who has this month? Brian,
[1:43:16] you may
[1:43:19] [laughter]
[1:43:21] >> I have a sticky note with everybody on
[1:43:23] there, so it's you.
[1:43:26] >> Thanks. I
[1:43:28] >> I got a couple, too.
[1:43:30] Um, so Brian and Aaron are getting
[1:43:33] things in today tomorrow. And
[1:43:36] >> yeah, and Ted and Wayne.
[1:43:39] >> Well, I can't do both the video and
[1:43:41] >> Yes, you can. Yes,
[1:43:43] >> cuz the newsletter is turning into a
[1:43:45] vlog.
[1:43:49] » PTR, we we haven't met. Sher sent me a
[1:43:53] big old text and I was picking my dog up
[1:43:57] from the dog hospital. So,
[1:44:00] um I'll have to look at it. Um and then
[1:44:04] just on events, we have a couple of
[1:44:06] possible we have a couple of names for
[1:44:08] possible new chairs for Woodland Hills
[1:44:10] Day. So, we're just um in the very
[1:44:12] beginning, I'm going to reach out to
[1:44:14] those people in the next couple of days
[1:44:16] and see if they're interested and that
[1:44:18] if I can get somebody hook, line, and
[1:44:20] sinker, a good couple that would help.
[1:44:22] Um, the Lowe's will be the senior couple
[1:44:26] that's over with Woodland Hills days and
[1:44:28] this new group will be
[1:44:30] >> if if you need some suggestions. There's
[1:44:32] a couple that I have that might
[1:44:33] >> just text them to me. Um, I've I've got
[1:44:37] six names, I think, so far, like three
[1:44:39] couples. Um, and I like to have three or
[1:44:41] four. So, I usually get turned down a
[1:44:43] few times. So, so that would be good.
[1:44:46] Um, you know, and I thought about
[1:44:48] putting it out there on social media,
[1:44:50] but we we try to pick people that we
[1:44:53] know have have done things or helped in
[1:44:55] the community or have an interest to
[1:44:58] serve. We we kind of do that and try to
[1:45:00] get different parts of the community.
[1:45:02] So, I'm trying to not get people that
[1:45:04] are in my area. Um, so we're looking we
[1:45:09] one of the names is from Summit Creek.
[1:45:11] So, that would be really good to have
[1:45:12] some Summit Creek involvement.
[1:45:14] >> [clears throat]
[1:45:15] >> So, yep. And, um, I think that's all
[1:45:18] that I have. Sher, if you have something
[1:45:21] you wanted me to
[1:45:24] >> add
[1:45:25] because I did not read all of your text,
[1:45:28] but anyway, I think we're good.
[1:45:31] >> Okay. Uh, Council Member Malich,
[1:45:34] legislative updating.
[1:45:35] >> Legislature gave us a I mean, April off,
[1:45:38] but they're on full force for May. Um,
[1:45:41] May 6th is kind of a big deal. that's
[1:45:43] when all they can all open their bill
[1:45:45] files for next year. So, um there is
[1:45:48] something that the mayor um gave me to
[1:45:51] ask uh if we might potentially um look
[1:45:54] into some legislation. So, we're still
[1:45:56] working on that and as if it happens,
[1:45:58] I'll let you know. Um also, um May 6th
[1:46:03] is the date that all of uh the things
[1:46:05] some of the things that were passed
[1:46:07] during this last legislative session go
[1:46:09] into effect. And I'm just going to say a
[1:46:10] couple of them that affect our city. One
[1:46:12] is was House Bill 33, political sign
[1:46:15] amendments. We can't prohibit u people
[1:46:18] from posting on park strips and that we
[1:46:21] have to have a designated area um for
[1:46:24] some signs. And then also um is that on
[1:46:29] >> if they remove city?
[1:46:30] >> Uhhuh. And if they remove some signs,
[1:46:33] there's needs to be a place for them to
[1:46:35] deposit them on city at the city so that
[1:46:38] they can pick them up later because
[1:46:39] they're very expensive. Um, we do know
[1:46:41] that there is a primary election in
[1:46:43] several of the races that our residents
[1:46:46] will um will um participate in. One will
[1:46:51] the primary will be um the congressional
[1:46:53] race
[1:46:55] between Celeste Malloy and Phil Lyman.
[1:46:58] And then we also have a state school
[1:47:00] board race that is also in a primary.
[1:47:03] Um, another one is local government
[1:47:06] fees, house bill um 425
[1:47:09] that uh if we choose to do a
[1:47:11] transportation fee now we are able to
[1:47:13] after May 6th. Um there's several with
[1:47:16] regards to truth and taxation and
[1:47:18] property tax adjustments. Um of course
[1:47:22] um truth and taxation has to be a
[1:47:24] standalone date now. can't be with
[1:47:27] anything else, but there are several
[1:47:28] that have to do with that. Um, a
[1:47:31] landscaping restriction amendment, House
[1:47:33] Bill 215, we cannot prohibit the removal
[1:47:36] of vegetation if they're in a wildland
[1:47:39] urban interface area, WOOI area. Um, and
[1:47:43] our whole town is, so there's some
[1:47:44] things that may people may do. Um,
[1:47:48] >> they can clearcut their lot if they want
[1:47:50] and I can't say no.
[1:47:53] Basically, that's what it's saying. Um,
[1:47:56] House Bill um 535 is the debt that um
[1:48:01] is um disposing of public property
[1:48:04] modifications. So, we occasionally,
[1:48:06] Brian, that's probably something that
[1:48:08] you'll want to look into a little bit
[1:48:09] more and make sure we're continue to be
[1:48:11] in compliance with that. Um the other
[1:48:15] the one thing that we need to look at is
[1:48:17] SB232,
[1:48:19] regulatory impacts on family. every um
[1:48:22] piece of uh legislative
[1:48:24] um materials we put out, we have to have
[1:48:28] it show the impact to family health,
[1:48:31] stability, and formation. And um the
[1:48:35] league does have some language that they
[1:48:38] suggest that every piece of legislation
[1:48:41] that we put for has has a statement
[1:48:44] attached to it. So, we might want to
[1:48:46] look into that a little bit because we
[1:48:48] need to put how that impacts families in
[1:48:50] our area. Um, and then there's an online
[1:48:54] marketplace SB 108 that municipalities
[1:48:58] can't regulate operation of an online
[1:49:00] marketplace except for with certain
[1:49:02] conditions. So, if we have anyone in in
[1:49:04] our city boundaries, there are others
[1:49:06] that may not um that may not impact us
[1:49:10] directly, but we need to be aware of
[1:49:12] those. Um the other thing is the interim
[1:49:16] meetings start again on May 20th and our legislative pol policy committee
[1:49:22] meetings um start up again on June 1st
[1:49:24] and uh I will be there.
[1:49:28] >> So we uh and then there's a bunch that
[1:49:30] will go into effect in the first part of
[1:49:32] July, but those are the ones that really
[1:49:34] affect us starting next week.
[1:49:38] >> Carrie, on House Bill 33, we had some
[1:49:40] discussion in our recorders meeting.
[1:49:42] >> Uhhuh. And I just wanted to make sure so
[1:49:45] I checked um
[1:49:47] in certain areas of the city we do not
[1:49:50] have sidewalks and that provision is
[1:49:53] primarily for park strips as between the
[1:49:55] road and the sidewalk. In those areas we
[1:49:58] don't have a regulation to allow signs.
[1:50:01] So
[1:50:03] uh we don't have to follow that.
[1:50:05] >> So four seasons is host. Four seasons is open game, but otherwise it doesn't
[1:50:12] apply.
[1:50:12] >> Only part of four seasons because they
[1:50:14] only have sidewalks on
[1:50:16] >> only [clears throat] only those. Oh,
[1:50:18] poor houses. I think it would be I think
[1:50:22] then it might be into our best interest
[1:50:24] because um we want our citizens to be
[1:50:28] well informed when they vote and if we
[1:50:31] never have an opportunity for candidates
[1:50:34] to except for in that area of town to
[1:50:39] say who they are because going
[1:50:40] doortodoor is really hard and as all of
[1:50:43] you who who know have wanted to put uh
[1:50:46] signs on Woodland Hills Drive and we've
[1:50:49] asked asked a particular resident, can
[1:50:51] we put it in your yard and yet it's 10
[1:50:54] ft back from the road and no one sees it
[1:50:56] because by then we have snow andor
[1:50:59] vegetation growing. We might want to
[1:51:01] consider kind of something in in the
[1:51:04] same idea, right, that we might
[1:51:10] allow some things in the rightway for a
[1:51:12] certain period of time prior to an
[1:51:14] election.
[1:51:14] >> I have adjusted that
[1:51:16] >> we did do that for elections. There is a
[1:51:18] second piece of legislation we do need
[1:51:20] to also apply to the political signs,
[1:51:24] >> right?
[1:51:24] >> Um, and that was one of the conflicting
[1:51:26] pieces in our last uh campaign cycle.
[1:51:29] >> That's why I'm bringing it up.
[1:51:30] >> Let's uh maybe we should look at that
[1:51:33] because we will have um especially with
[1:51:36] Congress, we will have those people
[1:51:38] wanting to put some signs in our city.
[1:51:41] >> Wayne, can you put that on your notes?
[1:51:43] Thank you.
[1:51:43] >> That was an interesting thing that
[1:51:44] because we don't have a parking strip.
[1:51:46] That was an interesting thing that came
[1:51:47] out of that.
[1:51:48] >> Yeah. Was
[1:51:50] >> Yeah. And I received a letter from the
[1:51:53] House clerk and the Senate clerk today.
[1:51:56] Uh one saying that I guess they were
[1:51:58] supposed to, I don't know, but they sent
[1:52:00] it basically saying one piece of
[1:52:01] legislation that did pass is an emphasis
[1:52:05] on religious freedom and restoring
[1:52:09] uh religion in governmental function. Um
[1:52:12] so still the separation of church and
[1:52:14] state delineated by our constitution but
[1:52:18] that we should be you know encouraging
[1:52:21] those religious conversations and
[1:52:23] discussion. So because we pushed further
[1:52:25] away than we we should have. So kind of
[1:52:27] a correctionary act of it. Then the
[1:52:29] other one I haven't had a chance to read
[1:52:30] on what legislation came from the Senate
[1:52:32] that they
[1:52:33] >> Yep. So, if any of you has concerns
[1:52:36] about things or if you have seen things
[1:52:38] that um that we might want to consider
[1:52:41] either amending or something new, please
[1:52:45] let me know because as I said, they're
[1:52:47] going to start doing their bill filing
[1:52:49] um next week. And if it's something
[1:52:51] that's really really important, then we
[1:52:53] want to be at the front of that um
[1:52:55] because it does get topheavy towards the
[1:52:58] end. So,
[1:52:59] >> well, thank you, Council Member Rhoden.
[1:53:02] Uh nothing of major note on the IT side.
[1:53:06] You and I are working on something.
[1:53:07] >> We still need to connect on that.
[1:53:10] >> But um
[1:53:12] yeah, as soon as that's ready, then
[1:53:14] that's something we can
[1:53:15] >> Perfect. Okay. And I actually did speak
[1:53:17] with the Did you
[1:53:18] >> one of them? And he's like, "Oh, cool."
[1:53:21] Okay.
[1:53:22] >> He's he's okay with it.
[1:53:24] >> Wonderful. Okay. Um any upcoming items
[1:53:28] that anybody would want to try and
[1:53:29] request to put on a future agenda? I had
[1:53:32] to have someone contact me um years ago
[1:53:35] and I don't even remember what year it
[1:53:37] was. Jody probably will remember um we
[1:53:41] were working on the boundary line
[1:53:43] between us and Elkridge and we've never
[1:53:46] really got that um finalized and there
[1:53:49] have some property owners over there who
[1:53:52] are wondering if we're any closer to
[1:53:55] actually establishing.
[1:53:56] >> Is this over in Four Seasons? No exists.
[1:54:01] We're not changing the boundary line. It
[1:54:02] will not be just up. You know, we had
[1:54:04] talked at one time of having uh one side
[1:54:07] of Loafer Canyon being in Alkridge and
[1:54:10] another side and
[1:54:12] >> or based on services provided because
[1:54:14] some people
[1:54:15] >> Woodland Hills. Yeah. This was um
[1:54:20] to get them to agree to this annexation
[1:54:23] was a struggle in itself. I think that's
[1:54:26] on hold for any changes. Okay. Okay.
[1:54:29] >> Well, you just might want to get up to
[1:54:31] date on that because there are a couple
[1:54:33] of friends who who it affects
[1:54:37] >> we've had a couple residents right there
[1:54:39] who said absolutely no we are not going
[1:54:41] into Woodland Hills and we have
[1:54:44] >> um promised them that we would not
[1:54:47] >> but the ones that are Woodland Hills
[1:54:48] that are accessed from they they access
[1:54:51] our services but they're on other side
[1:54:54] that there's just some tricky things
[1:54:55] that went on with that with that over
[1:54:58] there. So,
[1:54:59] >> it was really close. Oh, boy.
[1:55:01] >> Yeah, it was really, really close.
[1:55:03] [laughter]
[1:55:04] >> I'll meet with you, Jody, and we can go
[1:55:05] over that and then I can also meet with
[1:55:07] the Elkridge mayor and we can coordinate
[1:55:08] and figure out where that all sits
[1:55:10] currently.
[1:55:10] >> Yeah,
[1:55:11] >> perfect. Thank you. Okay, then we will
[1:55:14] uh take a break and let's see if I can
[1:55:17] actually, you know, look at time
[1:55:20] correctly this time. Uh it's currently
[1:55:22] 7:58. Let's plan to come back and resume
[1:55:26] and start our city council meeting at
[1:55:28] 8:05.
[1:55:32] Let's uh
[1:55:35] >> hopefully the trans
[1:55:37] >> like to welcome everybody to city
[1:55:39] council meeting today. Um we're going to
[1:55:42] have an invocation from council member
[1:55:43] Malovich and a pledge of allegiance from
[1:55:45] council member Lent.
[1:55:48] Our
[1:55:50] dear heavenly father, we're so grateful
[1:55:52] to be here as a city council tonight for
[1:55:55] our council meeting. We're grateful for
[1:55:58] the
[1:56:00] moisture we have received this week.
[1:56:02] We're grateful for the community we live
[1:56:05] in, for the protection thou grants unto
[1:56:08] us, for the beauty of our of our trees
[1:56:12] and our vegetation, as well as for our
[1:56:14] wildlife.
[1:56:16] We ask that thou continues to bless us
[1:56:19] with um protection and safety.
[1:56:23] We ask thee to bless our citizens that
[1:56:26] they will be mindful of the concerns
[1:56:28] that were brought up earlier with
[1:56:30] regards to the hot dry summer and the
[1:56:34] need to be extra vigilant in our efforts to
[1:56:42] be mindful of those conditions. Please
[1:56:44] bless us as we talk about city business
[1:56:46] that our minds will be open that we will
[1:56:49] be able to discuss things in civil
[1:56:51] manner and and and make decisions that
[1:56:54] are best for for our city and for the
[1:56:57] residents.
[1:56:59] Um we're grateful for those who are
[1:57:00] willing to serve on um on the different
[1:57:04] committees throughout the city and
[1:57:05] volunteer and help and support in any
[1:57:08] way possible. We're grateful for our
[1:57:11] city staff and the work that they put in
[1:57:13] to
[1:57:15] helping us as council understand the
[1:57:18] issues of our city and for all that they do to um to give us accurate and
[1:57:24] timely information and and support us
[1:57:27] that we can make better decisions.
[1:57:30] We're grateful for all of the blessings
[1:57:34] that thou gives unto us. And we say
[1:57:35] these things in the name of Jesus
[1:57:37] Christ. Amen.
[1:57:37] >> Amen.
[1:57:39] Please stand.
[1:57:43] » Repeat after me. I
[1:57:45] >> I pledge algiance to the flag
[1:57:47] >> of the United States of America and to
[1:57:51] the republic for which it stands. One
[1:57:54] nation under God, indivisible, with
[1:57:58] liberty and justice for all.
[1:58:04] » Thank you both. Uh we'd like to go now
[1:58:07] into a public comment. Um if we could
[1:58:09] limit our comments to two minutes or
[1:58:11] less. Um only in-person comments will be
[1:58:14] included as part of the official record.
[1:58:16] So it doesn't look like I have anybody
[1:58:18] online. Dian,
[1:58:20] >> please.
[1:58:21] >> You missed me last time, huh?
[1:58:23] >> Always.
[1:58:26] >> Hi D. A second. I just want to speak on
[1:58:29] behalf of our friends and neighbors on
[1:58:31] the east side of our city, particularly
[1:58:34] Maple Drive where it borders
[1:58:37] um our boundary, our city boundary. Um
[1:58:40] the last time
[1:58:43] we gave an authorization or permit or
[1:58:45] whatever to move dirt and make dust, we
[1:58:49] had the same mitigation requirements.
[1:58:52] However,
[1:58:55] dust was
[1:58:57] much more than it should have been. And
[1:59:00] I didn't know until researching for
[1:59:02] tonight that the way these inspectors
[1:59:05] decide on what level they're seeing,
[1:59:09] it's a visual thing. They're trained and
[1:59:12] it's truly they look they they memorize
[1:59:16] what it looks like without dust and then
[1:59:18] they compare that in their mind to what
[1:59:20] it looks like if there is dust. So it is
[1:59:24] very um
[1:59:26] >> subjective.
[1:59:27] >> Yeah.
[1:59:28] >> And we live in a
[1:59:29] >> very subjective.
[1:59:31] >> And then if you dive further into this
[1:59:34] issue of dust, obviously wind that
[1:59:37] contractor is not liable for the wind.
[1:59:40] But if there's so much accumulated that
[1:59:42] it flies off
[1:59:44] continuously, then it would be just like
[1:59:46] if you're carrying dirt in your truck.
[1:59:48] That's why on the freeway now it has to
[1:59:50] be covered. Um, if dust is collecting on
[1:59:53] your patio, the back of your house, your
[1:59:56] deck or whatever, that means there and
[1:59:58] there I have friends that told me they
[2:00:00] would clean it every single day and
[2:00:02] there was a layer every single day. That
[2:00:05] would mean there is too much because the
[2:00:08] rule is about how much is in the air,
[2:00:11] not about it can then, you know, be so
[2:00:14] much that accumulates.
[2:00:16] I want to be able to tell my friends and
[2:00:18] neighbors
[2:00:20] that it's not going to be as bad. They
[2:00:22] were told there's water trucks, but they
[2:00:24] would hardly ever see them. The other
[2:00:25] part of this before you vote on giving
[2:00:29] the permit is um time of day because
[2:00:34] there was a restriction according to our
[2:00:37] um ordinances, but they still did work
[2:00:40] early and I I know that was reported and
[2:00:43] eventually
[2:00:44] um they changed their hours, but it went
[2:00:46] a long time before the change happened.
[2:00:49] And I just wanted to point out I believe
[2:00:51] that there will be more vehicles or
[2:00:53] equipment on this site than what was
[2:00:55] mentioned. There'll be a crusher was
[2:00:57] mentioned, a sifter, trucks, dozers to
[2:01:01] move and carry, but there will also be
[2:01:03] conveyor. And I wonder if we want to
[2:01:04] know how big of one of those. I don't
[2:01:07] know if like
[2:01:09] we already man his from bars sto you
[2:01:11] know it's a big long long vehicle and it
[2:01:15] has a conveyor belt and it actually
[2:01:17] sifts the particles according to size
[2:01:21] it can be big and it can it can be very
[2:01:24] loud.
[2:01:25] So just keep in mind all these things
[2:01:28] and what could be helpful to our city.
[2:01:32] >> Thanks. Thank you.
[2:01:36] >> Bucky,
[2:01:37] would you like to make a comment?
[2:01:40] >> Uh,
[2:01:40] >> he's just so excited to fund our
[2:01:42] roundabout design. [laughter]
[2:01:44] >> Yeah, I was thinking that he's thinking,
[2:01:46] how can I donate and and really help
[2:01:49] with that that bronze elk? [laughter]
[2:01:53] >> Good.
[2:01:54] >> You're good. I'm getting hit by the look
[2:01:56] that's going to hang over my head is
[2:01:59] [laughter]
[2:02:00] the it
[2:02:01] >> it was just that whole when you were
[2:02:03] waving your head up and down while she
[2:02:05] was talking. We were just pretty sure
[2:02:06] you were listening.
[2:02:07] >> I was just volunteering you. It's all
[2:02:08] good.
[2:02:09] >> Uh yeah, I mean I think I said my piece
[2:02:12] about the the annexation. So I
[2:02:15] >> Okay, perfect. Any public comment?
[2:02:20] >> Well, we're glad to have you, brother.
[2:02:22] Okay, perfect. Then I will close the
[2:02:24] public comment um and we will move on to
[2:02:26] the consent agenda. The approval of the
[2:02:28] April 14th, 2026 city council meeting
[2:02:31] minutes.
[2:02:32] >> I do have a a correction.
[2:02:34] I wasn't here, but I read through them.
[2:02:36] I really I really liked them. Um at the
[2:02:40] very end, one of our guests today is
[2:02:42] Matt Durant. He's here. He ran for Utah
[2:02:46] House District 64
[2:02:49] um race. And so he was here last time,
[2:02:52] but you have the wrong designation of um
[2:02:55] of office that he's seeking. So I
[2:02:58] thought we should change that.
[2:03:00] They had you down as running for
[2:03:02] Congress.
[2:03:03] >> So we want to make sure it's Utah House
[2:03:06] District 64.
[2:03:08] But um I did ask our um probably between
[2:03:12] now and um and primary both of the
[2:03:16] congressional candidates would like to
[2:03:18] come to Woodland Hills.
[2:03:19] >> Wonderful.
[2:03:20] >> So I don't know Bucky if you're
[2:03:21] interested in hosting them at your
[2:03:24] facility then I will call you.
[2:03:25] >> We'll do that instead of a instead of
[2:03:28] >> maybe a little
[2:03:30] late.
[2:03:32] >> How about the consent agenda? [laughter]
[2:03:34] and and I can't approve the consent
[2:03:36] agenda because I was not here, but I
[2:03:37] just wanted to make that.
[2:03:38] >> Thank you.
[2:03:39] >> Wonderful. With that uh alteration,
[2:03:42] >> I'll make a motion that we approve the
[2:03:44] consent agenda. And I'd like to comment
[2:03:47] that Jody I know this has already been
[2:03:49] commented on, but she makes us all sound
[2:03:52] so intelligent. Thank you.
[2:03:54] >> Somebody over and over.
[2:03:56] Yes,
[2:03:58] >> I'm not sure I could pronounce some of
[2:04:00] the words that I supposedly said in that
[2:04:03] meeting, but I'll second it.
[2:04:05] >> Okay. Do I have a motion to council
[2:04:07] member Lunt? A second by Council Member
[2:04:10] Hutchkins. Um, Council Member Malovich,
[2:04:14] >> yes.
[2:04:15] >> Council member Johns,
[2:04:16] >> yes.
[2:04:17] >> Council member Hutchings,
[2:04:18] >> yes.
[2:04:19] >> Council member Rhoden,
[2:04:21] >> yes.
[2:04:21] >> Council member Lent,
[2:04:22] >> yes. Okay,
[2:04:25] that the consent agenda passes. Um,
[2:04:29] okay. We are going to move on to the
[2:04:32] acceptance of a petition for annexation
[2:04:36] and submission of a zone change
[2:04:38] application. Um,
[2:04:41] request being sent to the planning
[2:04:43] commission.
[2:04:44] >> The zone changes the
[2:04:46] >> just to send it to the planning
[2:04:47] commission, not us approve it.
[2:04:49] >> We are approving the annexation.
[2:04:51] Correct. you're approving the petition
[2:04:53] for the annexation.
[2:04:55] Then it goes into we've got to verify
[2:04:58] the petition. Then we have to put out a
[2:05:00] notice. Then we've got a 30-day period
[2:05:04] and then there will be public hearings.
[2:05:05] All right.
[2:05:06] >> So, it's a process. Bucky has let the
[2:05:08] county know already. So, he's done his
[2:05:11] part. Um, and now it's um it's our part.
[2:05:14] And if anybody wants to see the petition
[2:05:17] checklist that we have to go through,
[2:05:20] you're welcome to come in and look at
[2:05:22] it. So,
[2:05:23] >> okay. But this
[2:05:24] >> I I've sent it to Bucky and I've also
[2:05:27] sent it to Alage.
[2:05:28] >> We'll take some time. I have a motion.
[2:05:31] >> Council member for a motion.
[2:05:33] >> I'll second.
[2:05:33] >> Council member Jones for a second.
[2:05:36] >> Um, Council Member Lund.
[2:05:37] >> Yes.
[2:05:38] >> Council member Rhoden.
[2:05:39] >> Yes.
[2:05:39] >> Council member Hutchkins.
[2:05:41] >> Yes.
[2:05:42] >> Council member Jones. Yes.
[2:05:44] >> Council member Malovich.
[2:05:45] >> Yes.
[2:05:46] >> Okay. That uh petition passes.
[2:05:50] Um acceptance of a conditional use
[2:05:53] permit um with approval contingencies.
[2:05:57] What are those approval contingencies?
[2:06:00] That the fee in lie of and the
[2:06:02] finalization of the or the completion of
[2:06:04] the application.
[2:06:05] >> Yeah. Completion and signing it.
[2:06:08] >> Okay. Do I have a motion? I'll
[2:06:10] >> motion. Council member Rhden with a
[2:06:12] motion. Do I have a second?
[2:06:17] » Council member Hutchkins with a second.
[2:06:20] Um, Council Member Malovich,
[2:06:22] >> a yes. [snorts]
[2:06:24] >> Is that a yes or a no?
[2:06:26] >> Council member Jones.
[2:06:28] >> Uh, yes.
[2:06:29] >> Council member Hutchings,
[2:06:31] >> yes.
[2:06:32] >> Council member Rhden,
[2:06:33] >> yes.
[2:06:33] >> Council member Lund,
[2:06:35] >> yes.
[2:06:36] >> That motion passes. Uh, for me that is
[2:06:39] the moving of the mountain. That's what
[2:06:41] I like to see.
[2:06:42] >> Yes.
[2:06:43] >> While they're listed together on here,
[2:06:46] [clears throat and cough]
[2:06:47] >> you might treat them as a separate
[2:06:49] motion to refer the reszone
[2:06:53] >> to the planning commission.
[2:06:57] » I think we broke it out clear.
[2:06:59] >> Okay.
[2:07:00] >> So, acceptance of the petition. Did you
[2:07:02] guys feel that was what we were voting
[2:07:03] on? Yeah, cuz it says and
[2:07:05] >> then yeah, it's headed to the planning
[2:07:06] commission for the zoning piece.
[2:07:09] >> Okay. The adoption of resolution
[2:07:12] 2026-37.
[2:07:14] This is authorizing the issuance and and
[2:07:16] sale of not more than 1.4 million sales
[2:07:20] and franchise tax revenue bond for the
[2:07:23] roads.
[2:07:25] >> I'll motion.
[2:07:26] >> Council member Malovich with a motion.
[2:07:29] >> I'll second it.
[2:07:30] >> Council member Blunt with a second. Uh,
[2:07:32] Council Member John's. Uh, yes. Council
[2:07:35] member Rhoden,
[2:07:36] >> yes. Council member Hutchings,
[2:07:38] >> yes.
[2:07:39] >> Council member Lund,
[2:07:40] >> yes.
[2:07:40] >> Council member Malovich,
[2:07:42] >> yes.
[2:07:43] >> Okay, that resolution [clears throat]
[2:07:44] passes. Um, approval of the March 2026
[2:07:48] financials and clerk or check
[2:07:50] dispersements. Not clerk dispersements,
[2:07:52] just check dispersements.
[2:07:54] >> Yeah, don't don't disperse clerk.
[2:07:56] >> Do I have a motion?
[2:07:58] >> I have a motion.
[2:07:59] >> Council member Ron for the motion. Do I
[2:08:00] have a second? I'll second.
[2:08:02] >> Council member Jones with a second. Um,
[2:08:05] Council Member Lunt,
[2:08:07] >> yes.
[2:08:08] >> Council member Johns,
[2:08:09] >> yes.
[2:08:10] >> Council member Malovich,
[2:08:11] >> yes.
[2:08:11] >> Council member Hutchkins,
[2:08:13] >> yes.
[2:08:14] >> Council member Rhoden,
[2:08:15] >> yes.
[2:08:16] >> Okay, that uh passes.
[2:08:20] Okay. Um, as I stated earlier, there is
[2:08:23] a personnel matter that I would like to
[2:08:25] discuss with each of you um in a closed
[2:08:28] session.
[2:08:30] If I can get a motion,
[2:08:32] >> I'll make a M motion that we go to close
[2:08:34] session to discuss personnel map.
[2:08:36] >> Okay.
[2:08:37] >> Second.
[2:08:37] >> Council member Lunt with a motion.
[2:08:39] Council member Malovich with a second.
[2:08:41] Uh, Council Member Rhoden.
[2:08:43] >> Yes.
[2:08:43] >> Council member Hutchkins.
[2:08:45] >> Yes.
[2:08:46] >> Council member Johns.
[2:08:47] >> Yes.
[2:08:47] >> Council member Lunt.
[2:08:49] >> Yes.
[2:08:49] >> Council member Malovich.
[2:08:51] >> Yes.
[2:08:51] >> Trying to keep you guys on your toes.
[2:08:53] >> Yeah. I know you're like,
[2:08:56] [laughter]
[2:08:57] >> "Okay, then we are headed into close
[2:08:59] session."
[2:09:01] >> Thank you everybody.
[2:09:02] >> That I will tell you that.
[2:09:06] » Okay. Uh we are back from close session.
[2:09:10] Um I will accept a motion to adjourn.
[2:09:14] >> So moved.
[2:09:15] >> Okay, we are adjourned. Thank you
[2:09:16] everybody.
[2:09:19] >> You know the hard part about that is um
[2:09:21] one of the girls that I Thank
[2:09:24] you.