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sheets. Bring all budget sheets.

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this is a meeting to discuss the 2027

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fiscal year budget.

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Uh that's really the first thing on the

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agenda. So, uh we need the mayor in here

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to really start us off to answer a lot

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of the questions. Mike, you had a lot of

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great questions.

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appreciate that. I

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>> had a lot of questions. I don't know how

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great they were.

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>> And he gave you he gave you some

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>> he gave me some answers.

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>> So, did you have a chance to read those?

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>> Yeah, I saw all the questions and the

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responses. And

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>> so, I think your question about

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understanding the numbers,

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there's 600,000 here in the budget and

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we're going to spend it next year. We

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need to know where we spend it. We need

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to be clear on that.

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And if it it should be really no

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different than what we do at home with

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our budgets.

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>> We know where the money is and

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>> Well, it depends on your home.

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>> Yeah, some it should be different.

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>> Volume should be different for sure.

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>> But our our responsibility is to vet,

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a committee is to vet the finances in

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>> That's what that's what this mayor and

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the city council has asked us to do as a

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committee. What do you mean by that to

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>> Well, so if if we're going to spend

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money on a fire truck,

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making sure that we're getting the best

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>> deal that we can possibly

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» making sure it's not patting somebody's

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pocket out there or something like that,

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>> that it's fair and equitable for for

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what we're trying to accomplish as a

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>> Mike, are you on the finance committee

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now? I don't I don't even know. Okay.

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>> I'm sorry. Mike's a member. And then we

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have Tim Larson on the committee. And

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then, of course, Janet Lunt.

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>> Janet is the um

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>> Thank you, sir. Very much presents us

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here on the committee.

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>> Okay. Our responsibility is to try to

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bet the best we can on and look at the

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budgets and ask questions and see where

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we're at. There's another set of eyes

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looking at the budget process.

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is passing out our budget numbers right

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» And then this is your proposed budget

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for this next year.

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>> Yeah. And just a reminder that little numbers document is kind of what

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I've dubbed this the fixed costs, right?

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or those are the the numbers that are,

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you know, kind of obligated to pay those

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second tab in my document, Lori. Um that

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is more on what I've dealt the variable

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cost, but things that the council

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basically needed to decide whether they

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wanted to continue to fund or not.

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I can join this meeting.

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» So, Jody, where's Jod? Oh, Jod left.

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She has in her budget here 80,000 to

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replace the falling retaining walls. The

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fall is the wall falling down this year.

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from the last meeting. There's different

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they both said we've got anywhere from 4

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>> Can it be is it really going to cost

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$80,000 to redo the wall?

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rock, and the stacking.

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different uh options there, whether we

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go with the the stacked concrete blocks

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more uniform blocking pin landscaping

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blocks or we go with rock wall. Rock is

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engineering feed. Um we would also need

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information you want though, but for a

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rock wall to be stable in that way, we'd

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have to shoot the geog grid underneath

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the parking lot. We'd rather not have to

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rip the parking lot to create that wall.

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those are limestone. limestone have

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a terrible life expectancy

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um because the way they mine them in the

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beginning is they blast them out of the

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mountain side which creates the micro

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fractures and in our winters the water

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seeps into those freezes and that's why

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they all deteriorate.

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they would survive very well the removal

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from this because that was the primary

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concern. Corbett had a lot of concerns

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new hunk of rock at the bottom of the

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mountain and he was always concerned

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somebody would park and have it crush

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them or whatever. So,

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to move it would love to put it at the

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front of their driveway. Whether it to

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or just a decorative piece or whatever,

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probably do need to start thinking about

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do we get that savings built up. So, in

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a capital projects fund or something

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by the water tanks and then roll them

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>> Yeah. Don't Don't we have you in charge

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answer, Ben, about are we do we do we

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these things that are in the budget.

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um so the state has a database that we

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of time, but usually we do get bids

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asphalt companies, but we still get

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example, to replace the rock wall?

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think what we'll actually do is use our

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employer employee to do the painting.

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>> Yeah. Or Sherman, right? And so it'll

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probably be whichever one I go to to buy

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said paint. And I'll probably look to

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see if I can't buy it on my company

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account. I don't receive a benefit at

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all. It just would be a price point if

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my account gets us a better rate than

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say Home Depot and I'd price all three.

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governmental rates that they get from

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see if there's any questions that we

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have as a a committee. Do we want to vet

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the variable stuff or the fixed stuff

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front page. You see here, I've kind of

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got my column here, finance committee

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>> So, there's a few things that I have

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done that the council has not yet even

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seen. Um, let me see if I can get rid of

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this.

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>> You talk about the ones highlighted.

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past the city has taken administrative

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wages and Lori I want you to interrupt

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me anytime that I say something

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inaccurate or you just won't take over.

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>> The show is yours. You know this better

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say for instance Ted's wage in the past

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over four or five different departments

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so that we can account for where his

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decision to simplify that and to help us

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be able to quickly see what exactly does

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TED cost the city for instance. Um, with

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this being fund accounting, me breaking

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out or Lori breaking out Ted's wage

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across multiple areas of the general

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fund doesn't make any sense because it's

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all the same pools of money for the most

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part. Okay. So, I've taken it and added

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all of Ted's wage from the general fund

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right here in 4141.100

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via admin salaries and wages. Okay. And

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you can see right here in my notes, this

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is 50% of Ted's current wage.

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What I'm wanting you guys to take a look

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at here is

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if

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as I've as I have spoken with other

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mayors across the county,

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what are they doing for a cost of living

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and performance increase each year?

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And it looks like the standard is a 2%

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cost of living which is guaranteed to

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all of their people

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with a 2% performance increase. So a

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total of a 4% increase if performance

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merits it. So with Ted I have done that

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here. So, he has a 2% cost increase and

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a 2% of performance increase, which

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would be an addition of 3,144

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on top of this 7,000 or 78,000.

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So, Ted's total wage would be

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what is that?

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>> 78* 2 * 1.04.

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>> Uh, yes. So, it's times it's not time.

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It's not. So down here, if we keep going

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to help answer that question you might

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be having, Michael,

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um down here

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>> 3144 twice was my question.

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>> Uh yes. So right here is

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>> the other 50%. Which is this is now

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coming out of the water fund.

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>> Um and so there and you see here that

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same 3,000.

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So this would be the increase to that

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number.

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And so when we finalize this budget

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process,

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that new number would sit right here.

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>> Okay.

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>> For that budget period,

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>> why are we concerned about breaking

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wages into various buckets in the first

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place as opposed to just having them all

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in the general fund?

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>> Good question.

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So water only can pay for

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water, right? That's the rules. So we

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cannot expend funds out of the water

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because it is a usage fund. So

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everything has to do with taxation.

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So we on the fund side of accounting

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here

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we bill everybody per usage for the

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water that they use and that goes into

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the enterprise fund. We cannot without

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serious uh legislation transfer money

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from the water fund into the general

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fund. It puts us at a high level of risk

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as well because we're not

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it's it's the it's not tax, but I'm

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going to use this for the sake of

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understanding. It's taxation without

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representation to a degree. Right? Is

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we're not all build at the same level

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for water because I may use more than

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you do.

347
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>> Just proportionate.

348
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>> Correct. And the churches

349
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>> we're build the same. We're build the

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same water rate.

351
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>> Correct. Yeah,

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>> just not the same quantity,

353
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>> right?

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>> And

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empty lots are build far less since they

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have zero usage, but they are still

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build.

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>> And that just that just came to be.

359
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>> Correct. That was just because of when

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we did the bond for the water

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replacement project. Um the first phase

362
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of it, we had to increase for all of us.

363
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We got that $75 fee or so. What is it?

364
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75 $78 fee each month

365
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>> was to cover that bond payment and it

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had to be on our water bill because it

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was a water project,

368
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>> a vacant lot is build 309

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>> $39 a month. Um, and so the reason we

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break Ted's wage, for instance, and

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Lor's and Toby's is because they're working on

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water. And so we can pull some of the

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burden off of the general fund and put

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it into the enterprise water fund so

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that we have more taxes in the general

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fund to assist with other items. What

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level of rules are there regarding what

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percentage of their salaries we can do?

379
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Is that just the employee or the and the

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mayor's best guesstimate or is there

381
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some sort of code saying you can't just

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sock 100% of Ted's wage into water just

383
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because you can?

384
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>> So we can sock 100% of Ted's wage into

385
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the general fund. We couldn't do it into

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the the water fund because 100% of his

387
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time is not spent in the water fund.

388
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>> But 50% of his time is.

389
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>> Yes. Because if you think about it,

390
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anything that he is doing that requires

391
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anything or touches at all water

392
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>> is able to be allocated there. Um and

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that's all sorts of of different

394
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variables. So we've we've done this to

395
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multiple things. So the loader is broken

396
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out for the general fund, so public

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works, so in the roads category in the

398
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snow plow area because it helps us load

399
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our trucks with with salt as well as

400
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water because it helps us maintain the

401
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water infrastructure.

402
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And so we're basically offloading the

403
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burden of that expense onto the two

404
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different accounts.

405
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And is it just a wild guess on how much the percentage would be?

406
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>> I would say a best estimate rather than

407
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a wild guess.

408
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>> Yeah. I

409
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>> mean, you did wild estimate.

410
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>> And then estimate

411
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>> and then you've got what was it? Some

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others were 100% of Jody was general,

413
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but then Lori there was

414
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>> 50%. So Lori is 50% in the water.

415
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>> Toby's 50. Are you 30% on the general

416
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fund? Is that what we

417
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>> general and then 20 I think sewer

418
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>> and then 20 on the sewer because Lori

419
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spends of her all of her time mostly

420
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doing all of the billing,

421
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>> right?

422
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>> So it's all that administrative expense.

423
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>> Automated

424
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>> the billing.

425
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>> I wish it um it's you know pretty good

426
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but I do have to do some things to make

427
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it work.

428
00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:04,640
>> That's right. I would presume with this

429
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day and age it would be all

430
00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:09,679
>> and some of it is just also making sure

431
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the books are correct right she's

432
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allocating reconciling

433
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which touches all accounts so we can

434
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then

435
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>> I'll hold up a mirror Mike with your

436
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mental health counseling how much of it

437
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is done automated billing versus manual

438
00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:22,960
input

439
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>> so fair

440
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» all automated with a lot of followup

441
00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:33,760
>> question on water billing

442
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Are our meters read electronically, I

443
00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:37,679
would assume?

444
00:18:37,679 --> 00:18:40,320
>> What percentage is read electronically?

445
00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:43,039
>> Um, well, there's a Toby drives around

446
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with an antenna on the car and a

447
00:18:45,120 --> 00:18:47,120
computer inside that pulls the it's a

448
00:18:47,120 --> 00:18:48,080
radio read.

449
00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:48,480
>> Okay.

450
00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:49,440
>> That's how it's read.

451
00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:51,840
>> Is that 100% of the city or is there

452
00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:54,400
some have to be manually?

453
00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:57,200
Well, you put you give him a list of six

454
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to eight that didn't had some error and

455
00:18:59,919 --> 00:19:01,679
didn't read and he'll go back and

456
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correct it or maybe manually read it

457
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to be

458
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>> or we have to replace the meter.

459
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>> But he does have to drive around with an

460
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antenna approximate to it. It's not just

461
00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:12,799
>> right

462
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>> some signal that's reporting back to the

463
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city center.

464
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>> There are signals that some cities have

465
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where they can read it in the city

466
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center and not need to drive around, but

467
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we don't have that. Plus with our

468
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topography,

469
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>> it would make it even be harder.

470
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>> Yeah.

471
00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:30,559
Thank you. That's what I thought.

472
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>> Perfect. I thought if we were doing it

473
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manually, maybe we ought to go.

474
00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:38,080
>> Yeah. Oh, that would be bad.

475
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>> They used to do that.

476
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>> Well, you never know. It's not that

477
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long. We did it for years on the Soldier

478
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Summit. Now it's all electronic.

479
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I would request that you guys assume the

480
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worst in all of our processes

481
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>> and ask the question

482
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>> so that we, you know, the last thing we

483
00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:57,600
need to be doing is something just

484
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because we've always done it that way.

485
00:20:00,799 --> 00:20:03,600
>> Um, so that's what I'm looking at here

486
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predominantly is these are the raises

487
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that I'm looking to give. So you'll see

488
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here also, so this is uh Jod here. 100%

489
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of her wage comes from the general fund

490
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because she doesn't deal any she doesn't

491
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deal with water. She doesn't deal with

492
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sewer. So, we can't justify offloading

493
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that financial burden.

494
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>> Are those the three options? Water,

495
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sewer, and then everything else.

496
00:20:28,799 --> 00:20:31,280
>> Oh, water, sewer, general. Yes.

497
00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:31,679
>> Yep.

498
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>> Fire is part of general.

499
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>> Correct.

500
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>> Yep. And it has everything to do with

501
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where do the funds that fund it come

502
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from.

503
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>> Right.

504
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cuz I don't spend a Michael and I

505
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don't spend a dime and I don't think

506
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Lori does on sewer and I'm not sure if

507
00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:49,840
you

508
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>> are you on sewer?

509
00:20:50,799 --> 00:20:53,679
>> I spend a crap ton on sewer.

510
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>> Um and so

511
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>> no pun intended.

512
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>> So are you on sewer?

513
00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:01,520
>> Okay. So we're on septic and thus we

514
00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:03,120
don't have to pay for that cost or

515
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infrastructure because we're not using

516
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it.

517
00:21:05,360 --> 00:21:07,520
>> Right. Uh general fund though everybody

518
00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:09,600
uses it thus everybody it's and that

519
00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:11,679
typically comes from property tax.

520
00:21:11,679 --> 00:21:14,000
>> Everything built now though is on sewer

521
00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:14,880
right?

522
00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:20,080
>> No only if it's within 100 ft of a

523
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current sewer commission.

524
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>> So everything that's going on in Maple

525
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Canyon that's still septic because there

526
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is no sewer there. Whereas if it's up in

527
00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:29,360
Thousand Oaks then

528
00:21:29,360 --> 00:21:30,799
>> Thousand Oaks is sewer

529
00:21:30,799 --> 00:21:31,520
>> is sewer.

530
00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:32,960
>> And if if you're down in Summit Creek

531
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>> Summit Creek is sewer. There's a there's

532
00:21:34,799 --> 00:21:36,400
a state law that if you're within a

533
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certain number of feet to sewer, you

534
00:21:38,159 --> 00:21:40,400
have to bring the sewer to your home.

535
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So,

536
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the new areas have it and it may slowly

537
00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:47,120
spread.

538
00:21:47,120 --> 00:21:47,760
>> We'll see.

539
00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:49,919
>> I wear the proud flag of being the first

540
00:21:49,919 --> 00:21:52,000
one to run sewer in the Thousand Oaks

541
00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:52,480
lines.

542
00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:54,320
>> Really?

543
00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:56,960
>> I condolence.

544
00:21:56,960 --> 00:21:58,240
>> When we were building our house, they

545
00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:00,159
said the Thousand Oaks sewer lines are

546
00:22:00,159 --> 00:22:01,679
there, but they're dry. They don't

547
00:22:01,679 --> 00:22:04,400
connect down. So, we don't know whether

548
00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:06,159
you're going to be on sewer or septic.

549
00:22:06,159 --> 00:22:08,480
And so, like literally the week before

550
00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:10,240
we're closing on our house, the city

551
00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:12,080
said, "We just finished the sewer

552
00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:14,159
connection. So, don't run out to the

553
00:22:14,159 --> 00:22:15,520
septic. Run out to the sewer."

554
00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:16,960
>> Well, you could have connected onto it.

555
00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:18,720
would have gone down on Ted Hanks's

556
00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:20,640
property.

557
00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:21,280
>> Did you?

558
00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:23,039
>> No, it didn't even go that far. It only

559
00:22:23,039 --> 00:22:26,080
went to um Sorl's property.

560
00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:27,840
>> So, do you have a septic system?

561
00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:30,240
>> No. So, right at that point of are we

562
00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:31,840
going to have to install the septic and

563
00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:33,919
then not use it? But we never installed

564
00:22:33,919 --> 00:22:35,200
the septic, but we had all of our

565
00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:37,520
plumbing run to the back of the house,

566
00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:39,520
planning to dump out into the backyard

567
00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:42,159
to where we would put a septic. So, all

568
00:22:42,159 --> 00:22:43,760
of our plumbing goes from the front of

569
00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:45,760
the house to the back and then takes a

570
00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:47,280
180 turn and then goes all the way back

571
00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:49,360
to the front of the house and out to the

572
00:22:49,360 --> 00:22:52,559
street. And so I bought my own

573
00:22:52,559 --> 00:22:54,159
professional plumbing snake because I

574
00:22:54,159 --> 00:22:55,919
have to snake my lines every six months

575
00:22:55,919 --> 00:22:58,320
to keep all of that line flowing.

576
00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:00,480
>> We'll have to get you a special sewer

577
00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:04,159
plaque that you can hang on.

578
00:23:04,159 --> 00:23:06,720
>> Honorary. Yeah. So that's what I'd love

579
00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:08,559
you guys to take a look at here. Right.

580
00:23:08,559 --> 00:23:12,159
Um just to understand Jody 6% and this

581
00:23:12,159 --> 00:23:14,080
is due to taking on additional duties

582
00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:15,679
from Chris,

583
00:23:15,679 --> 00:23:19,280
>> right? um as well as a 12% to Lori for

584
00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:22,159
taking on a a larger sum of the duties

585
00:23:22,159 --> 00:23:23,120
of Chris.

586
00:23:23,120 --> 00:23:26,159
>> So, as we look at the budget for total

587
00:23:26,159 --> 00:23:29,280
wages and we say we're giving 6% and 12%

588
00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:32,080
more to these people, how much are we

589
00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:35,039
overall saving in total salaries and

590
00:23:35,039 --> 00:23:36,880
wages as opposed to what we were last

591
00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:38,159
year, let's say.

592
00:23:38,159 --> 00:23:40,880
>> So, do you want to take this?

593
00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:44,159
>> No, go ahead. So Chris cost us roughly

594
00:23:44,159 --> 00:23:46,000
around 150,000

595
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,640
>> and that is salary plus benefits,

596
00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:51,600
retirement, all of the numbers.

597
00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:55,520
>> Um so we just hired and on this next

598
00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:58,720
council agenda will be the contract

599
00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:01,360
um for somebody named Charlene Wild to

600
00:24:01,360 --> 00:24:02,799
help us as a bookkeeper,

601
00:24:02,799 --> 00:24:03,200
>> okay,

602
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:04,880
>> to help us finalize our checks and

603
00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:06,960
balances and a lot of that institutional

604
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:11,360
knowledge. Um, so she will take on um a

605
00:24:11,360 --> 00:24:13,679
number of these additional duties,

606
00:24:13,679 --> 00:24:16,320
though there are still a large sum that

607
00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:18,080
will stick with Lori that weren't there

608
00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:20,640
prior or she wasn't, let me correct

609
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:23,679
that, she wasn't compensated for. She

610
00:24:23,679 --> 00:24:26,559
has been taking them on for years now.

611
00:24:26,559 --> 00:24:29,919
Um, but Charlene also will then do a lot

612
00:24:29,919 --> 00:24:32,880
of the state statutory filings. so make

613
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:34,559
sure they're at the right places. She

614
00:24:34,559 --> 00:24:37,760
will file all of our our 1099s, our

615
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:42,159
taxes, our all of that stuff. Um, and

616
00:24:42,159 --> 00:24:44,480
she will then also help potentially even

617
00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:46,480
with some grant writing cuz she's

618
00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:48,880
exquisite at grant writing, which is

619
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:51,520
going to be fabulous. She is going to

620
00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:54,960
she cost us $95 an hour. Um, we

621
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:57,760
interviewed two people, both fabulous

622
00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:00,320
candidates. Um, the other one was going

623
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:04,000
to cost us around $15,000 a year. So,

624
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,400
you can kind of do that math from

625
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:10,400
$150,000 to 15,000. Uh, Charlene is a

626
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:13,440
little cheaper than that. Um, at 75 at

627
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:16,320
$95 an hour, she thinks she can close

628
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:19,200
the books in around 5 hours a month.

629
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:22,559
>> Um, so she'll be around 5 to8.

630
00:25:22,559 --> 00:25:24,080
And if you can, you know, run the

631
00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:29,279
numbers, you know, that'll be around 800

632
00:25:29,279 --> 00:25:32,480
700 to $800 a month. Um, and then

633
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:34,880
that'll be probably around $3,000 a year

634
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:38,159
for the audit prep.

635
00:25:38,159 --> 00:25:39,440
>> Okay.

636
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:41,120
>> And so you can just, you know, looking

637
00:25:41,120 --> 00:25:42,960
here,

638
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:46,240
we're at three. Well, I I won't include

639
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:50,480
Ted there, but So 57.

640
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:54,240
Um, let's add another.

641
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:56,320
>> That's only 30% of her.

642
00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:59,520
>> That's 30% of hers. So,

643
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:04,480
let's go 11,000 plus another 11,000. So,

644
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:07,360
22,000. So, we went from 150,000 to

645
00:26:07,360 --> 00:26:08,400
22,000.

646
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,120
>> Okay. So, we are

647
00:26:11,120 --> 00:26:12,000
>> budgeting less.

648
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:13,120
>> That's a good savings.

649
00:26:13,120 --> 00:26:14,799
>> $110,000

650
00:26:14,799 --> 00:26:19,669
savings or so.

651
00:26:19,679 --> 00:26:22,240
Um, okay. And this next item here is

652
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:25,440
just the FICA. So, this is just an

653
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:27,840
addition due to the raises.

654
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,880
Um, and the retirement, uh, same

655
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:32,640
addition there. Hence, I put them in

656
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:33,840
those blue categories.

657
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:37,440
>> Sorry. Sorry. Please

658
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:40,240
go back to the FICA.

659
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:42,320
There you go.

660
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:46,000
So, I'm looking at 245. That's 7.65% of

661
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:48,159
wages. You said it was due to the

662
00:26:48,159 --> 00:26:50,720
increases, but that's due to over total

663
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:51,520
wages.

664
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:54,799
>> It would be total right wages.

665
00:26:54,799 --> 00:26:59,039
>> Yes. Um that I need to figure out here.

666
00:26:59,039 --> 00:27:02,000
What is my algorithm? You're not total

667
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:06,149
salaries.

668
00:27:06,159 --> 00:27:08,880
» How did I math that out?

669
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:12,159
>> Again, I'm looking at you 24 there

670
00:27:12,159 --> 00:27:14,880
versus 15. So, I'm just trying to follow

671
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:15,919
the math.

672
00:27:15,919 --> 00:27:18,080
>> Mhm. So, you've got to be able to pull

673
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:20,960
all of the baselines down and then add

674
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:24,240
that 7.65%.

675
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:25,679
>> Yeah. And I know

676
00:27:25,679 --> 00:27:28,159
>> the problem is is you did times 7.65

677
00:27:28,159 --> 00:27:31,600
rather than 00765.

678
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:34,799
>> Thank you.

679
00:27:34,799 --> 00:27:37,039
>> You got the second. Yeah, there you go.

680
00:27:37,039 --> 00:27:38,720
Let's see what that does.

681
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:40,559
>> That's that correct.

682
00:27:40,559 --> 00:27:41,440
>> Yes, that can be correct.

683
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:43,600
>> That would be the FICA on the increases.

684
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:46,240
>> Yeah, which is what he said.

685
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:48,480
increase on the increase.

686
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:49,600
>> Yeah.

687
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:51,360
>> So that's the percent increase.

688
00:27:51,360 --> 00:27:51,760
>> Thank you,

689
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:53,200
>> Michael. If you can find any more of

690
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,440
those errors, I appreciate the number.

691
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:56,960
>> So just so you understand what you just

692
00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:57,600
did,

693
00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:00,320
>> we just saved the city in the budget.

694
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:01,520
>> $23,000.

695
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:02,799
>> $30,000.

696
00:28:02,799 --> 00:28:03,919
>> 30,000. Okay.

697
00:28:03,919 --> 00:28:07,440
>> Because this number was 17 and now it's

698
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:09,120
40.

699
00:28:09,120 --> 00:28:11,520
>> So that's our over that's the amount we

700
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:13,279
have in excess to what has been

701
00:28:13,279 --> 00:28:15,760
currently budgeted.

702
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:17,279
Is there a finder fee for that?

703
00:28:17,279 --> 00:28:23,909
>> Yeah.

704
00:28:23,919 --> 00:28:26,960
» Okay. Um any of the other things you'd

705
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:27,600
like to

706
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:29,279
>> Can you go back up just a little bit

707
00:28:29,279 --> 00:28:30,720
there? Of course.

708
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:35,679
>> Keep going. Keep going. Keep going. Keep going. Going going. Right

709
00:28:35,679 --> 00:28:37,200
there.

710
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:41,279
The retirement 1564. What's that?

711
00:28:41,279 --> 00:28:44,720
>> So that is retirement. So that is the US

712
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:47,840
um URS um right there

713
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:50,799
>> payment. So there's my note on it. This

714
00:28:50,799 --> 00:28:52,399
gets a little confusing because

715
00:28:52,399 --> 00:28:54,480
>> it says penalty on there.

716
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:58,080
>> Yes. So Lori's already retired

717
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:01,039
and so she we have to pay a penalty by

718
00:29:01,039 --> 00:29:04,559
hiring a retired person from

719
00:29:04,559 --> 00:29:06,080
>> Okay.

720
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:08,480
>> You don't look at all

721
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:10,880
>> I do. No, I I called and asked them

722
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:14,080
about it and they said that um if we if

723
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:15,840
the city were to hire someone who was

724
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:18,000
not retired, that person would be

725
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:19,919
contributing to the retirement system

726
00:29:19,919 --> 00:29:22,159
where I'm not. And so they charge a

727
00:29:22,159 --> 00:29:26,159
penalty. It goes to URS. It doesn't come

728
00:29:26,159 --> 00:29:28,559
to me or affect my retirement. It's just

729
00:29:28,559 --> 00:29:31,440
a penalty for hiring me because I'm not

730
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:34,640
contributing to the retirement system.

731
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:35,279
>> Interesting.

732
00:29:35,279 --> 00:29:35,760
>> So

733
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:37,279
>> interesting. So we're paying.

734
00:29:37,279 --> 00:29:39,679
>> Is that only because you are a former

735
00:29:39,679 --> 00:29:40,640
public employee?

736
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:41,200
>> Yes.

737
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,200
>> She's you were retired.

738
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:43,600
>> Yes.

739
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:44,240
>> Right.

740
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:45,600
>> So it's like they don't want you to

741
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:46,399
double dip.

742
00:29:46,399 --> 00:29:48,880
>> She was a uh high school

743
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:50,559
>> high school math teacher.

744
00:29:50,559 --> 00:29:51,600
>> Yeah.

745
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:54,000
>> Um we're paying retirement. We're paying

746
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,559
URS and FICA.

747
00:29:56,559 --> 00:29:59,679
>> Uh FICA. Yes. But FICA is the right the

748
00:29:59,679 --> 00:30:00,080
line.

749
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:04,159
>> So that doesn't become part of FICA then

750
00:30:04,159 --> 00:30:06,399
>> would pay for both.

751
00:30:06,399 --> 00:30:09,200
Um, to help you better understand what

752
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:13,360
this is, this 15.97%

753
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:17,600
of wages is for tier one employees. The

754
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:20,080
government then changed what that meant

755
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:25,039
and it shifted. So, Lori and Jodie are

756
00:30:25,039 --> 00:30:26,559
tier one. Correct, Lori?

757
00:30:26,559 --> 00:30:27,360
>> Yes.

758
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:31,120
>> And Toby and Ted are tier two. So,

759
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:35,120
that's why this math is a little weird.

760
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:37,919
The tier one is the old the tier one is

761
00:30:37,919 --> 00:30:40,320
the oldtimer retirement. They've

762
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:42,399
lessened the benefits now and tier

763
00:30:42,399 --> 00:30:42,960
everybody.

764
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:45,919
>> It was defined benefit before, right?

765
00:30:45,919 --> 00:30:48,320
>> It's just based on date of hire, not on

766
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:49,520
job title,

767
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:50,000
>> right?

768
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:51,840
>> Yep.

769
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:53,520
>> So, it's better to be hired long ago

770
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:54,799
instead of now.

771
00:30:54,799 --> 00:30:56,320
>> Yeah.

772
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:58,000
>> The state just got wise and says we

773
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,480
can't keep paying 16% contribution. We

774
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,440
got to reduce it to 14% contribution. I

775
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:05,520
believe these numbers change in July

776
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,559
too. I think um tier two is actually

777
00:31:08,559 --> 00:31:10,159
increasing slightly and tier one is

778
00:31:10,159 --> 00:31:11,440
decreasing.

779
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:12,880
>> So it'll probably wash out

780
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:14,640
>> be close to what it is now but just

781
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,039
slight adjustment.

782
00:31:17,039 --> 00:31:20,799
>> Perfect. So who takes care of that

783
00:31:20,799 --> 00:31:23,520
adjustment internally here? Is that you?

784
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:23,840
Yeah.

785
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:27,440
>> You take care of it. Wow. Thank you.

786
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:30,000
>> Lori is the Lori and Jod are the brains

787
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:33,120
of this operation for sure.

788
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:34,799
But Lori, you've only been with the city

789
00:31:34,799 --> 00:31:36,399
for

790
00:31:36,399 --> 00:31:39,760
five years or so now.

791
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:43,919
>> And so before this was Jod doing it all

792
00:31:43,919 --> 00:31:46,480
with Chris.

793
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:47,679
>> I think Chris was doing

794
00:31:47,679 --> 00:31:50,720
>> Well, we had a treasure prior

795
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:52,799
to Jody or to Lori.

796
00:31:52,799 --> 00:31:53,120
>> Yeah.

797
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:53,919
>> Well, there was.

798
00:31:53,919 --> 00:31:54,240
>> Mhm.

799
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:55,679
>> I just don't remember.

800
00:31:55,679 --> 00:31:57,840
>> I remember I remember her.

801
00:31:57,840 --> 00:31:58,320
>> Yeah.

802
00:31:58,320 --> 00:31:59,279
>> Okay.

803
00:31:59,279 --> 00:32:00,880
>> She was here quite a few years. I don't

804
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:02,320
know her name. I can't remember her name

805
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:02,880
though.

806
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:03,760
>> Patty Kell.

807
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:04,720
>> Patty. That's right.

808
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:06,880
>> Yeah.

809
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:08,000
>> That's right.

810
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:11,200
>> Yeah. And so the rest here on this page

811
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:12,720
um that I was really hoping you guys

812
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:14,799
would take a look at is again this is

813
00:32:14,799 --> 00:32:19,279
the water fund. So all the same numbers

814
00:32:19,279 --> 00:32:21,279
and you can see I actually, you know,

815
00:32:21,279 --> 00:32:24,240
did some math correctly on this one.

816
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:25,840
Sorry, Michael. I didn't give you

817
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:27,600
another option to save us a bunch of

818
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:30,399
money. Um,

819
00:32:30,399 --> 00:32:33,039
and then the same down here with the

820
00:32:33,039 --> 00:32:41,430
with Lor's wage coming out of sewer.

821
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:43,440
» Uh, did you get that email? Did you read

822
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,880
that, Aaron, about the 690,000?

823
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,919
>> I got the email and and read through it,

824
00:32:49,919 --> 00:32:52,080
but I don't remember the answers.

825
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:55,039
>> Okay, Lori, do you remember what was the

826
00:32:55,039 --> 00:32:57,519
$690,000?

827
00:32:57,519 --> 00:32:58,640
That's one thing we had a question.

828
00:32:58,640 --> 00:32:59,760
>> I don't I don't know what you're talking

829
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:02,559
about. 695.

830
00:33:02,559 --> 00:33:04,320
There was an email.

831
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:06,640
>> No, no, there was uh in our meeting

832
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:09,279
prior. It's right here. So, if you can

833
00:33:09,279 --> 00:33:15,909
go to 4141.700.

834
00:33:15,919 --> 00:33:18,000
So, it's this Aaron was looking

835
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,000
predominantly I think at historical

836
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:21,679
numbers and then all of a sudden a

837
00:33:21,679 --> 00:33:25,279
massive spike at 690,000.

838
00:33:25,279 --> 00:33:27,600
Um, I believe it was a transfer from

839
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:30,240
savings we were potentially going to use

840
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:36,320
to pay off an old um, bond. Uh, that may

841
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:39,200
help us be able to increase our our

842
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:41,360
lending power.

843
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:44,320
And the our lender recommended that we

844
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:48,720
don't do that because the older bond had

845
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:50,640
a better interest rate than our one we

846
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:52,480
were going to be getting and we still

847
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:54,320
had the leverage we needed to be able to

848
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:55,840
get what we needed without paying that

849
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:56,320
one off

850
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:59,120
>> in 4141700.

851
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:00,480
>> Yep.

852
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:11,190
>> Yeah. 690,000.

853
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:13,440
And the note on is this could go away in

854
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:16,639
2027. Won't know until evaluation has

855
00:34:16,639 --> 00:34:28,550
been done on the new bond.

856
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:30,800
Have we already pulled that out when we

857
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:33,599
open the budget?

858
00:34:33,599 --> 00:34:39,109
>> I don't see the 690 here.

859
00:34:39,119 --> 00:34:42,159
So, we did open the budget two council

860
00:34:42,159 --> 00:34:45,200
meetings ago.

861
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:46,879
We did adjust a few things. This may

862
00:34:46,879 --> 00:34:48,320
have been one of those cuz that would

863
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:50,480
have been

864
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:52,079
the type of thing we did adjust the

865
00:34:52,079 --> 00:34:55,599
budget for is we pulled the bond out cuz

866
00:34:55,599 --> 00:34:57,359
we had already allocated it into the

867
00:34:57,359 --> 00:34:59,839
budget and we pulled some of those

868
00:34:59,839 --> 00:35:02,800
savings out. So, we we edited four line

869
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:12,710
items.

870
00:35:12,720 --> 00:35:14,079
Because if you actually look at the

871
00:35:14,079 --> 00:35:16,480
revenue side, Aaron,

872
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:20,630
up on um

873
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:25,030
38.40

874
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:28,400
that $1.4 $4 million transfer from

875
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:30,240
capital funds

876
00:35:30,240 --> 00:35:33,760
>> is the to to your point, Michael, that

877
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:37,520
is the revenue line item to our 690,000

878
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:38,720
expense line item.

879
00:35:38,720 --> 00:35:40,000
>> Which one are you looking at? Which

880
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:40,640
number?

881
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:43,200
>> 38.40.

882
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:46,240
>> Yep. In the revenue.

883
00:35:46,240 --> 00:35:48,000
>> And so are you saying that there'd be

884
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:51,359
1.4 million? Sorry. Of the 1.4 4 million

885
00:35:51,359 --> 00:35:54,160
690 would be backed out and then that

886
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:56,720
line down there where it's got 690 as an

887
00:35:56,720 --> 00:35:59,359
expense that goes away. So

888
00:35:59,359 --> 00:36:03,920
>> 90 remains so 600 of it goes away

889
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:08,960
>> and that 90 was for engineering fees

890
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:13,200
associated with um uh the pavement

891
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:16,240
management plan I believe. Is that what

892
00:36:16,240 --> 00:36:20,560
that 90,000 is in that 4141700?

893
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:22,560
>> Um I think it's the payment for the

894
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:24,960
>> No, it's principal sales tax revenue

895
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:28,160
refunding bond with the description.

896
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:29,839
>> Oh, is that the payment for that one

897
00:36:29,839 --> 00:36:30,400
loan?

898
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:30,960
>> Yeah.

899
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:32,640
>> Okay.

900
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:34,560
>> And that's consistent with historical

901
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:37,520
patterns.

902
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:39,920
>> So I don't know Chris has a note here.

903
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:43,280
It says refinance 2013 bond to save

904
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:47,200
100,000 in interest. This bond was for

905
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:50,480
Woodland Hills Drive redo, park

906
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:52,560
upgrades, city center upgrades, and

907
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:54,560
assault.

908
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:57,750
>> Mhm.

909
00:36:57,760 --> 00:36:59,280
» So, that's a current bond we have

910
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:00,800
outstanding

911
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:07,030
>> that we're still making payments on.

912
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:07,520
» Question.

913
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:09,680
>> The 1.4 or is that a different bond?

914
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:13,280
>> The 1.4 is a transfer from savings. That

915
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:14,800
was revenue line item. Okay.

916
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:16,960
>> It's a Yeah, that's a revenue.

917
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:17,839
>> Okay.

918
00:37:17,839 --> 00:37:20,400
>> Yeah, the 690 now that I Lori's

919
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:22,960
correcting me, 600 of that would have

920
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:26,720
been in excess to our 90,000 obligated

921
00:37:26,720 --> 00:37:27,520
payment.

922
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:27,920
>> Okay.

923
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:30,800
>> To burn it off.

924
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,680
Instead, we're leaving it in savings to

925
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:36,079
decrease the amount we need to pull. So,

926
00:37:36,079 --> 00:37:39,119
we'll we'll pull that from savings still

927
00:37:39,119 --> 00:37:41,520
and use to help us with the third phase

928
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:45,750
of the payment management plan.

929
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:48,240
So if I'm reading correctly here, mayor,

930
00:37:48,240 --> 00:37:52,000
that we have total revenue of 3,8361

931
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:56,400
million. Uh if you exclude

932
00:37:56,400 --> 00:38:03,119
the 1.4 transfer from savings, you will see

933
00:38:03,119 --> 00:38:04,880
>> 2.4.

934
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:06,880
>> Yeah. So if I for instance zero that

935
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:08,800
out,

936
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:12,000
we're at 2.4. Yeah.

937
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:17,589
in revenue.

938
00:38:17,599 --> 00:38:21,680
And again, this is us speaking

939
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:24,640
um about the 2026

940
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:34,550
budget, not the 2027.

941
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:37,520
Okay. Did that answer that

942
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:40,800
on the 690 there?

943
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:44,400
Is there any other questions here?

944
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:46,079
As we have the fountain of all knowledge

945
00:38:46,079 --> 00:39:02,870
with us.

946
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:06,240
» New ambulance. Can you stop there?

947
00:39:06,240 --> 00:39:11,430
>> I can.

948
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:15,520
Is that is that projected in stone?

949
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:19,119
>> It is not projected in stone. Um, so

950
00:39:19,119 --> 00:39:22,160
this is more of a pass through because

951
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:24,480
you'll also see up here in the revenue

952
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:26,160
side.

953
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:28,400
Um, trying to make those connections for

954
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:30,560
you, Michael, for you and for me. Got

955
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:31,359
it.

956
00:39:31,359 --> 00:39:35,839
>> There should be 150,000 here.

957
00:39:35,839 --> 00:39:38,800
This is actually inaccurate now.

958
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:43,680
This needs to be 170,000

959
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:46,000
um 500.

960
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:47,200
Did we sell it?

961
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:50,960
>> We have sold engine 192

962
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:54,079
uh for 170,000 instead of the 150 we

963
00:39:54,079 --> 00:39:54,880
were anticipating.

964
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:56,960
>> I knew we were trying to sell it.

965
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:58,560
>> Yep. And we've So

966
00:39:58,560 --> 00:39:59,520
>> we did. Okay.

967
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:01,680
>> We were waiting for that check to come.

968
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:03,040
>> Is that the old engine?

969
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:03,520
>> Yes.

970
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:08,560
>> Mhm. And so we the council approved TED

971
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:11,839
to be able to look for a new ambulance

972
00:40:11,839 --> 00:40:16,640
at a cost at a maximum price of 150,000.

973
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:17,200
>> Great.

974
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:20,400
>> Um, and that will give us the chassis we

975
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:23,920
need and the box system for the

976
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:26,240
ambulance, which has apparently a killer

977
00:40:26,240 --> 00:40:29,520
warranty on it from the makers of that.

978
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:31,200
And so we'll actually be able to pull

979
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:34,560
and lift the boxes in the future, swap

980
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:36,720
out the chassis, and put the boxes back

981
00:40:36,720 --> 00:40:39,920
on um with this other type. It's a

982
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:42,240
higher brand. Um and so we're looking

983
00:40:42,240 --> 00:40:45,280
for those used currently. Um Saratoga,

984
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:49,520
no, Santa Quinn's uh fire and EMS people

985
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:53,440
are in that market of buying and selling

986
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:56,480
professionally ambulances. And so they

987
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:58,720
have their feelers out for us looking

988
00:40:58,720 --> 00:41:01,119
for that new ambulance.

989
00:41:01,119 --> 00:41:02,240
>> Good psychic

990
00:41:02,240 --> 00:41:04,160
>> or you will it be new or used?

991
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:06,160
>> It'll be a used ambulance. I think a new

992
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:10,000
ambulance is like 250 $300,000.

993
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:11,599
>> Seriously?

994
00:41:11,599 --> 00:41:11,839
>> Yeah.

995
00:41:11,839 --> 00:41:14,319
>> We're in the wrong business. Aaron,

996
00:41:14,319 --> 00:41:15,680
>> you have to remember ambulances come

997
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:17,520
with all the bells and whistles and

998
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:18,720
sirens.

999
00:41:18,720 --> 00:41:21,680
>> Sirens. I mean there the truck chassis

1000
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:27,040
itself to buy a new truck is 75 100.

1001
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:31,520
>> Uh this is probably closer to 120 new

1002
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:34,400
>> because it's an F it's basically an F350

1003
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:36,240
>> 50

1004
00:41:36,240 --> 00:41:37,520
four-wheel drive.

1005
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:38,160
>> Mhm.

1006
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:38,960
>> I assume.

1007
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:41,280
>> Yep. Ours not all ambulances are but

1008
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:42,960
that's a good question. We will we do

1009
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:44,560
require that

1010
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:47,599
>> up here you'd have to

1011
00:41:47,599 --> 00:41:50,000
>> Yep. But there's been too many times

1012
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:53,359
I've I've heard that we got a call

1013
00:41:53,359 --> 00:41:57,599
and the ambulance didn't start

1014
00:41:57,599 --> 00:41:59,520
and so they start pulling stuff out,

1015
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:01,359
throwing it in a brush truck and driving

1016
00:42:01,359 --> 00:42:03,280
and showing up in a fire truck to take

1017
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:05,680
care of a per patient. It's not as

1018
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:07,440
catastrophic for us because we do not

1019
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:10,000
have a license to transport currently

1020
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:12,560
patients and so Salem's always on the

1021
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:14,880
way. But we are

1022
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:16,880
>> with the timing issue could be a problem

1023
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:18,400
>> 100%.

1024
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:21,280
>> And it's only going to get worse because

1025
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:24,400
as I was reading our demographics

1026
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:27,359
um well you can actually see those here.

1027
00:42:27,359 --> 00:42:29,119
>> Aaron's getting pretty old.

1028
00:42:29,119 --> 00:42:32,319
>> Aaron is getting old. Is is Rachel's

1029
00:42:32,319 --> 00:42:34,960
plan to get Woodland Hills able to

1030
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:36,560
transport themselves?

1031
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:40,160
>> Uh that is one of the goals simply

1032
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:41,680
because

1033
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:45,359
with that option comes a financing

1034
00:42:45,359 --> 00:42:48,240
ability. There's money in transport.

1035
00:42:48,240 --> 00:42:50,720
There's not money in response.

1036
00:42:50,720 --> 00:42:52,800
And so we were hoping that it actually

1037
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:55,520
could um

1038
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:58,560
help start paying for the EMS program.

1039
00:42:58,560 --> 00:42:59,119
>> Yeah.

1040
00:42:59,119 --> 00:43:00,720
>> Yep. So you can actually see right here

1041
00:43:00,720 --> 00:43:02,400
in the general plan. I'm going a little

1042
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:05,520
off script. Um this is the current

1043
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:09,119
demographic of our our residents. So

1044
00:43:09,119 --> 00:43:10,720
18.5%

1045
00:43:10,720 --> 00:43:12,480
of our residents in Wooden Hills are

1046
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:17,599
over the age of 65 years. Um 40.8%

1047
00:43:17,599 --> 00:43:21,280
is 50 to 64.

1048
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:24,720
So the majority of our residents are

1049
00:43:24,720 --> 00:43:31,910
greater than the age of 50.

1050
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:33,680
I'm not in green or purple.

1051
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:36,240
>> But you live longer.

1052
00:43:36,240 --> 00:43:38,880
>> I'm in orange personally still.

1053
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:39,839
>> You live longer. I

1054
00:43:39,839 --> 00:43:41,119
>> got one more year in orange.

1055
00:43:41,119 --> 00:43:43,599
>> If if the radon doesn't take you I

1056
00:43:43,599 --> 00:43:44,079
agree.

1057
00:43:44,079 --> 00:43:45,839
>> Yeah, you're going to live longer up

1058
00:43:45,839 --> 00:43:48,079
here cuz they're fresh.

1059
00:43:48,079 --> 00:43:50,240
>> Out of the inversion in the winter.

1060
00:43:50,240 --> 00:43:50,560
Yeah.

1061
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:51,839
>> So, we're going to be we're going to

1062
00:43:51,839 --> 00:43:55,280
survive. Average age is 100, right,

1063
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:56,400
Eric?

1064
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:57,920
average age.

1065
00:43:57,920 --> 00:43:59,680
>> We can get to 100, can't we?

1066
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:02,800
>> We can. You could back in the 1890s as

1067
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:05,920
well. Doesn't mean the average age is

1068
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:08,079
>> exactly.

1069
00:44:08,079 --> 00:44:10,960
Okay. Are you uh chairman, are you okay

1070
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:13,359
if we jump over here

1071
00:44:13,359 --> 00:44:14,480
to some of the variable?

1072
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:15,920
>> I'm good. I'm good with that.

1073
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:18,079
>> Okay. Any other questions though on that

1074
00:44:18,079 --> 00:44:20,319
primary budget?

1075
00:44:20,319 --> 00:44:22,400
Okay. So, this is where I'd love your

1076
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:25,680
guys' uh increased degree of scrutiny.

1077
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:29,920
Um many of these are budgeted numbers in

1078
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:32,800
the sense of they may come in lower.

1079
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:34,640
They're all budgeted high in

1080
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:36,480
anticipation.

1081
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:40,000
Um I have designed the budgeting process

1082
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:43,839
this year for us to have a better

1083
00:44:43,839 --> 00:44:45,760
understanding of the finances as we

1084
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:48,160
proceed through the year that I'm going

1085
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:50,400
to break out each department and have a

1086
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:53,280
council member over each department. Um,

1087
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:57,119
and so as a budgetary item is satisfied,

1088
00:44:57,119 --> 00:44:59,280
meaning the job has been completed and

1089
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:01,920
the funds have been expended, any excess

1090
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:04,640
funds will be able to drop into a pool

1091
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:06,480
that then next in the next council

1092
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:08,079
meeting, we would be able to have the

1093
00:45:08,079 --> 00:45:10,800
council reallocate those funds to the

1094
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:13,440
next item in prioritization.

1095
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:15,520
Uh, whereas in the past, we kind of

1096
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:17,599
didn't have that level of scrutiny, if

1097
00:45:17,599 --> 00:45:19,599
that makes sense.

1098
00:45:19,599 --> 00:45:22,720
Um, so one item I have changed since the

1099
00:45:22,720 --> 00:45:26,800
council looked at this is I increased my

1100
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:29,599
own line expenditure

1101
00:45:29,599 --> 00:45:33,430
um for 4111.600

1102
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:36,319
um mare expenses from I believe it was

1103
00:45:36,319 --> 00:45:39,599
$300 to,500.

1104
00:45:39,599 --> 00:45:41,599
Um, the reason for this is I've got a

1105
00:45:41,599 --> 00:45:43,760
few like I was telling you earlier, uh,

1106
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:47,599
Mike, um, I'm hoping to do some

1107
00:45:47,599 --> 00:45:49,440
different events which hopefully will

1108
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:50,960
bring the community a little closer

1109
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:54,880
together. Um, I'm wanting to

1110
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:56,960
>> So, this is more hot dogs.

1111
00:45:56,960 --> 00:46:00,079
>> Uh, this would actually be, uh,

1112
00:46:00,079 --> 00:46:02,640
desserts. So, you guys are going to be

1113
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:04,240
the first to hear about this in the

1114
00:46:04,240 --> 00:46:05,119
general public.

1115
00:46:05,119 --> 00:46:09,359
>> Wow. I'm hoping to be able to uh

1116
00:46:09,359 --> 00:46:11,119
selectively

1117
00:46:11,119 --> 00:46:14,480
pick couples who would be able to do

1118
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:16,480
somewhat of like a progressive dinner

1119
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:18,480
throughout the city on say a Friday

1120
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:22,480
night. um create finding people that

1121
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:25,599
would help facilitate a conversation

1122
00:46:25,599 --> 00:46:28,079
help but from each one couple from each

1123
00:46:28,079 --> 00:46:30,480
ward would start at one place with an

1124
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:32,880
appetizer the next for a meal and then

1125
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:35,040
come back to the city center and I'd

1126
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:37,119
have say four of these groups going at

1127
00:46:37,119 --> 00:46:39,839
one night and then it would end with

1128
00:46:39,839 --> 00:46:42,079
dessert with the mayor where we would

1129
00:46:42,079 --> 00:46:44,160
then all be able to come together and my

1130
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:46,880
goal is to create relationships because

1131
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:48,480
there's nothing greater than a word

1132
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:51,119
boundary for isolating people and I'm

1133
00:46:51,119 --> 00:46:55,920
wanting to break that down. Um so I feel

1134
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:57,599
pretty good about this especially with

1135
00:46:57,599 --> 00:47:00,720
the recent legislation that has passed

1136
00:47:00,720 --> 00:47:02,800
um in this last legislative cycle of the

1137
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:05,200
state that they want the state wants an

1138
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:07,839
increased communication about and

1139
00:47:07,839 --> 00:47:12,240
between um religion and and government.

1140
00:47:12,240 --> 00:47:13,839
Um, so I've been working with President

1141
00:47:13,839 --> 00:47:17,359
A um to try and coordinate and select

1142
00:47:17,359 --> 00:47:19,839
who these people may be and we'll

1143
00:47:19,839 --> 00:47:21,760
eventually slowly cycle through the

1144
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:25,440
entire uh city eventually if that if it

1145
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:28,079
ends up working. But this increase here

1146
00:47:28,079 --> 00:47:31,680
would be basically just for those

1147
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:35,599
expenditures on desserts and it will

1148
00:47:35,599 --> 00:47:38,240
probably usually be cheesecake and creme

1149
00:47:38,240 --> 00:47:42,390
brulee.

1150
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:44,880
Okay. And not just focused on LDS. It

1151
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:48,560
any it will very much not only be

1152
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:52,079
focused on LDS. It'll be a mix always

1153
00:47:52,079 --> 00:47:53,040
members and non-members.

1154
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:55,359
>> But your understood demographic pairing

1155
00:47:55,359 --> 00:47:57,040
is based on ward boundaries. Just

1156
00:47:57,040 --> 00:47:59,200
because if nothing else, whether you're

1157
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:01,119
a member or not, somebody that lives on

1158
00:48:01,119 --> 00:48:03,040
Broad Hollow doesn't talk to somebody on

1159
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:04,400
Maple Drive. Right.

1160
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:06,079
>> Church or no church.

1161
00:48:06,079 --> 00:48:06,800
>> 100%

1162
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:08,000
>> geographically around the city.

1163
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:09,200
>> I get that.

1164
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:12,960
>> Yeah. It's just an easy way to break our

1165
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:17,349
city into four pieces.

1166
00:48:17,359 --> 00:48:19,440
And then if we when we divide for the

1167
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:22,160
next ward and we five

1168
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:25,280
break it into five pieces just to keep,

1169
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:27,280
you know, and those boundaries and it'll

1170
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:30,720
focus on new moveins as well. So they'll

1171
00:48:30,720 --> 00:48:32,720
have a higher prioritization than people

1172
00:48:32,720 --> 00:48:35,520
I select for this or the committee I'm

1173
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:39,599
creating for this project um to help in

1174
00:48:39,599 --> 00:48:42,640
introduce them faster into the city and

1175
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:45,440
get them integrated. So that's what that

1176
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:48,559
budgetary line item is.

1177
00:48:48,559 --> 00:48:54,230
Um

1178
00:48:54,240 --> 00:48:57,839
so I'll just kind of slowly scroll here.

1179
00:48:57,839 --> 00:48:59,680
Do you guys want any other

1180
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:00,160
understanding?

1181
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:01,920
>> The only question I would have is it

1182
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:04,079
pretty well in line with what we've

1183
00:49:04,079 --> 00:49:06,400
generally done

1184
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:08,079
year after year.

1185
00:49:08,079 --> 00:49:09,839
>> Uh that's the one thing we don't have is

1186
00:49:09,839 --> 00:49:12,880
a comparison of what was it prior year.

1187
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:15,280
This is a variable amount. We could say

1188
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:20,640
zero and we wouldn't be terribly harmed.

1189
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:22,319
But there is some historical precedent

1190
00:49:22,319 --> 00:49:24,960
on book subscriptions if we drop out of

1191
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:26,960
Utah League of Cities and towns.

1192
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:30,480
>> Yeah. That's probably not wise, but we

1193
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:31,920
could

1194
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:34,400
>> and that's why I put it on this page is

1195
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:37,040
for the council to make that decision.

1196
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:38,800
>> So, I think it would be helpful to have

1197
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:41,920
a column that shows historical average

1198
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:46,079
next to this to be able to show is this

1199
00:49:46,079 --> 00:49:49,280
right in line or is this a a change.

1200
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:52,240
>> So on some of those things we can do

1201
00:49:52,240 --> 00:49:56,720
that, right? So this is 4141601.

1202
00:49:56,720 --> 00:49:57,520
So

1203
00:49:57,520 --> 00:49:59,680
>> is it because of the new budgeting that

1204
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:01,359
you can't that you haven't had?

1205
00:50:01,359 --> 00:50:03,760
>> Yeah, to a degree. So you can see here's

1206
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:06,640
your historicals on that particular line

1207
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:07,040
item.

1208
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:08,880
>> So it's a couple thousand more.

1209
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:12,000
>> So a couple thousand more um and that is

1210
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:14,800
due to I believe

1211
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:17,829
um

1212
00:50:17,839 --> 00:50:22,079
601. So we got a new printer. Um, we're

1213
00:50:22,079 --> 00:50:25,440
also budgeting for a little bit more on

1214
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:28,400
the computer replacement plan.

1215
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:32,079
>> So now I'm confused on if some of these

1216
00:50:32,079 --> 00:50:33,920
in fact it looks like maybe many of

1217
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:36,480
these are already on the other one, how

1218
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:38,640
are you not double counting them?

1219
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:40,319
>> Great question. So if you actually look

1220
00:50:40,319 --> 00:50:43,520
over here in this one, you see I'm empty

1221
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:45,520
here.

1222
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:49,839
So this calculation here generating this

1223
00:50:49,839 --> 00:50:51,599
60,000

1224
00:50:51,599 --> 00:50:54,319
is pulling

1225
00:50:54,319 --> 00:50:55,839
this

1226
00:50:55,839 --> 00:50:57,680
line

1227
00:50:57,680 --> 00:51:02,720
and totaling it up minus revenue

1228
00:51:02,720 --> 00:51:07,200
or revenue minus this this page. So if

1229
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:11,839
it's blank here and in blue that means I

1230
00:51:11,839 --> 00:51:16,800
pulled it over into this page. Got it.

1231
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:20,319
>> And then if I put a check in this box,

1232
00:51:20,319 --> 00:51:23,520
it deducts this quantity from this

1233
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:26,710
total.

1234
00:51:26,720 --> 00:51:29,440
So for instance, if I come here, we'll

1235
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:39,430
go -20,000.

1236
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:42,240
And so the the reason I'm I don't have a

1237
00:51:42,240 --> 00:51:46,400
historical in a quick example here is I

1238
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:48,880
pushed my staff when they were creating

1239
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:52,240
this budget to dream up anything they

1240
00:51:52,240 --> 00:51:54,240
could think of that has never that

1241
00:51:54,240 --> 00:51:57,200
hasn't been done in the past

1242
00:51:57,200 --> 00:51:58,880
um because it just didn't make the

1243
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:01,200
budget or it didn't get slumped or

1244
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:05,040
shoved into a large pot. I wanted the

1245
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:12,720
council looking at these items specifically instead of a big pool

1246
00:52:12,720 --> 00:52:13,440
>> right

1247
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:15,359
>> now. I probably could have gone a little

1248
00:52:15,359 --> 00:52:18,960
more granulated say on this 13,000

1249
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:22,720
and broken out each subscription.

1250
00:52:22,720 --> 00:52:25,680
Um Jody just felt that there was the

1251
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:27,680
precedence of that type of a number and

1252
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:29,359
that's and we've all kind of known

1253
00:52:29,359 --> 00:52:32,880
what's in it and that type of a thing.

1254
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:34,960
But we can for sure break that out if

1255
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:35,440
you're

1256
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:38,319
>> Okay. So all those items underneath the

1257
00:52:38,319 --> 00:52:39,920
4141699

1258
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:42,559
are not part of 4141699.

1259
00:52:42,559 --> 00:52:44,960
That's just other stuff. Correct.

1260
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:45,359
>> Okay.

1261
00:52:45,359 --> 00:52:48,000
>> And so one of the things that Lori and I

1262
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:51,200
need to do after this meeting and after

1263
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:53,119
you guys give us your feedback on this

1264
00:52:53,119 --> 00:52:56,640
meeting is I need to to create the

1265
00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:59,280
mayor's budget. And the mayor's budget

1266
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:01,839
will then go back to looking a lot like

1267
00:53:01,839 --> 00:53:05,040
this document that you've seen for years

1268
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:09,520
which with will have these pulled in to

1269
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:11,520
where they need to be categorically.

1270
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:13,280
>> And as far as the optional categories,

1271
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:15,760
you're just going to start with the ones

1272
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:18,079
and move on down the line until we're

1273
00:53:18,079 --> 00:53:19,599
out of budget.

1274
00:53:19,599 --> 00:53:22,400
>> Uh that's what we've done here. Yep.

1275
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:24,000
>> Yep. So, we've gone through with the

1276
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:25,839
staff prioritizations

1277
00:53:25,839 --> 00:53:28,400
and the c the staff or the city council

1278
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:31,040
is who put these X's here,

1279
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:32,240
>> which then said yes,

1280
00:53:32,240 --> 00:53:33,599
>> the ones that will be funded. Okay.

1281
00:53:33,599 --> 00:53:34,480
>> Correct. Okay.

1282
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:36,240
>> And so, the ones that are not funded are

1283
00:53:36,240 --> 00:53:38,000
those also not only blank but

1284
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:40,160
highlighted in red, right?

1285
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:41,680
>> Yep.

1286
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:43,119
>> Those are the ones that you say we're

1287
00:53:43,119 --> 00:53:45,359
going to kick this can down the road.

1288
00:53:45,359 --> 00:53:47,200
>> Mhm.

1289
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:50,079
>> Yep. Or like here,

1290
00:53:50,079 --> 00:53:52,960
we just add great opposition to it.

1291
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:56,160
LEDs throughout the city.

1292
00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:57,920
I had a few council members who said,

1293
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:00,559
"Well, studies show LEDs are actually

1294
00:54:00,559 --> 00:54:02,720
not healthy."

1295
00:54:02,720 --> 00:54:04,480
>> I don't know the evidence.

1296
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:08,720
on that. I'm clearly dying, so it must be my LEDs

1297
00:54:08,720 --> 00:54:11,359
at my house. But they just said, "No,

1298
00:54:11,359 --> 00:54:14,480
it's a waste of money." Boom.

1299
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:16,480
And so that's where that red came from,

1300
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:18,319
cuz you can see we've got the budget for

1301
00:54:18,319 --> 00:54:20,960
it, right? but it doesn't necessarily

1302
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:23,359
mean another item that they'd love to

1303
00:54:23,359 --> 00:54:27,599
think about is adding in here um

1304
00:54:27,599 --> 00:54:31,270
a

1305
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:33,760
savings pot for a new playground at the

1306
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:35,599
park.

1307
00:54:35,599 --> 00:54:38,880
Now, is emergency savings building that

1308
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:42,240
somewhere in here?

1309
00:54:42,240 --> 00:54:44,880
Is that somewhere else? cuz I seem to

1310
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:46,800
recall there was a council discussion

1311
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:48,880
about that and we want to keep x amount

1312
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:50,400
of dollars available.

1313
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:52,400
>> Was it 250,000 at all times?

1314
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:56,160
>> 250,000 for but not for an emergency.

1315
00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:56,800
>> Well,

1316
00:54:56,800 --> 00:54:57,920
>> what do you what do you mean an

1317
00:54:57,920 --> 00:54:58,319
emergency?

1318
00:54:58,319 --> 00:55:00,240
>> I'm not going to call it slush fund but

1319
00:55:00,240 --> 00:55:01,520
have

1320
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:04,720
>> it's it's the like Michael Mike and I

1321
00:55:04,720 --> 00:55:07,280
were talking about earlier. It's the the

1322
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:10,400
laundry machine broke type money, right?

1323
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:12,640
Nonbudgeted items that come up as an

1324
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:15,359
expense. pump goes out. Yeah.

1325
00:55:15,359 --> 00:55:17,680
>> Now again, remember the two different

1326
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:20,720
funds. If the pump goes out, we're not

1327
00:55:20,720 --> 00:55:24,000
keeping $250,000 on hand in the water

1328
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:27,440
fund. We have two What do we have in the

1329
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:30,240
water fund? 2 million.

1330
00:55:30,240 --> 00:55:32,000
>> Let me look.

1331
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:34,720
>> So, there's a lot more money over here

1332
00:55:34,720 --> 00:55:37,839
because it's way more important than the

1333
00:55:37,839 --> 00:55:38,800
general fund. Anyway,

1334
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:41,920
>> priority. Water's a priority. And we

1335
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:44,640
have to save for any infrastructure

1336
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:46,160
replacement

1337
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:48,720
over in this fund.

1338
00:55:48,720 --> 00:55:51,200
We can't raise property taxes to pay for

1339
00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:52,000
that.

1340
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:56,079
>> But where we've got $60,000 left, say,

1341
00:55:56,079 --> 00:55:58,079
how much of that should we say that

1342
00:55:58,079 --> 00:55:59,920
audio system, let's go ahead and do it

1343
00:55:59,920 --> 00:56:03,599
because we got 60,000 left. or no, we

1344
00:56:03,599 --> 00:56:05,599
feel that that audio system can wait.

1345
00:56:05,599 --> 00:56:08,799
So, let's keep that 60,000 over in our

1346
00:56:08,799 --> 00:56:11,440
general fund and increase from 250 to

1347
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:12,960
310.

1348
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:14,480
>> Or

1349
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:18,150
we come up here

1350
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:20,960
and we decrease this number by 60,

1351
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:22,880
>> just decreasing taxes on the revenue

1352
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:24,400
side. Yeah,

1353
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:27,599
>> I'm hesitant to do that because that

1354
00:56:27,599 --> 00:56:29,280
just means if we have a need in the

1355
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:31,920
future, that pain gets even harder then.

1356
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:32,720
>> Right.

1357
00:56:32,720 --> 00:56:37,200
Um would I be the hero of ages if

1358
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:38,720
I

1359
00:56:38,720 --> 00:56:41,839
lowered property taxes?

1360
00:56:41,839 --> 00:56:43,920
>> I think some people would say great. And

1361
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:45,280
then when I had to raise them back,

1362
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:46,400
>> I don't think you'd have very many

1363
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:49,119
people bowing at your feet. I

1364
00:56:49,119 --> 00:56:51,359
>> but we look at the pattern of our state

1365
00:56:51,359 --> 00:56:53,200
legislature over the last several years.

1366
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:54,720
They've been taking small little

1367
00:56:54,720 --> 00:56:57,680
decreases in the income tax rate and we

1368
00:56:57,680 --> 00:56:59,599
can take a small decrease in our

1369
00:56:59,599 --> 00:57:02,400
property tax rate in order to bring our

1370
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:04,240
revenue in line with our projected

1371
00:57:04,240 --> 00:57:05,440
expenses.

1372
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:10,400
>> Yeah. And I I think there is that's what I want you guys to be

1373
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:12,400
thinking about and to make that

1374
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:13,920
proposal.

1375
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:18,559
But we also have so many things that we have things to spend money on,

1376
00:57:18,559 --> 00:57:20,240
>> right? Um and some of them aren't on

1377
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:22,160
here. Like I said, the playground,

1378
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:24,000
right? We really should do something

1379
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:28,720
different there. Um that equipment is

1380
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:31,839
not just outdated. It's also at times

1381
00:57:31,839 --> 00:57:33,680
becoming dangerous.

1382
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:35,280
>> Yeah. You don't want dangerous.

1383
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:37,200
>> We need to. And it's probably the most

1384
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:39,440
scenic park on, you know, in Utah

1385
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:41,040
County.

1386
00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:42,720
And nobody ever goes there apparently

1387
00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:47,750
because all the kids think it's dumb

1388
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:50,000
and it gets super hot and it's you know

1389
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:50,480
they

1390
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:53,119
>> super hot is a very relative term

1391
00:57:53,119 --> 00:57:56,400
>> 100%. But those are the types of things

1392
00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:59,760
I believe that there is a place for

1393
00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:02,000
we can allocate these funds in a

1394
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:04,480
fiscally responsible way. My my

1395
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:07,040
alternative suggestion would be to use

1396
00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:09,280
any excess

1397
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:11,920
to pay down debt first.

1398
00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:14,400
>> Also a great idea

1399
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:16,559
and what what this is what I'd love to

1400
00:58:16,559 --> 00:58:17,920
see from the finance committee

1401
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:18,799
>> suggestion

1402
00:58:18,799 --> 00:58:21,359
>> is to sit there and say what is the best

1403
00:58:21,359 --> 00:58:23,520
use for this

1404
00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:24,240
>> right

1405
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:26,640
>> I think because you have excess money I

1406
00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:28,400
don't think you should look for places

1407
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:31,440
to spend it unless it's really needed

1408
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:37,440
>> right and that's I agree with you and I I think that's

1409
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:40,400
some of what's being perceived.

1410
00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:41,119
>> Yeah.

1411
00:58:41,119 --> 00:58:43,119
>> And so I that's why I bring it up. I

1412
00:58:43,119 --> 00:58:45,119
think that if we're borrowing any money

1413
00:58:45,119 --> 00:58:48,400
for anything, that we're spending money on

1414
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:50,799
should be an absolute necessity.

1415
00:58:50,799 --> 00:58:51,280
>> I

1416
00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:53,040
>> because otherwise we're paying otherwise

1417
00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:55,920
we're we're paying interest on a

1418
00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:58,240
>> those are good points, Mike. I I agree

1419
00:58:58,240 --> 00:59:00,319
with that. And

1420
00:59:00,319 --> 00:59:01,520
>> and I don't I don't think anybody would

1421
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:02,799
agree to pay interest on a playground.

1422
00:59:02,799 --> 00:59:04,480
But if we're paying interest for roads

1423
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:06,559
and we're building a playground, then

1424
00:59:06,559 --> 00:59:07,920
really we're paying interest for a

1425
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:09,760
playground because we could use the

1426
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:11,200
playground money to pay for roads. And I

1427
00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:13,280
know the numbers are not commensurate,

1428
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:15,280
but it's the it's the principle.

1429
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:16,559
>> Money is funible.

1430
00:59:16,559 --> 00:59:17,040
>> Right.

1431
00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:19,599
Water money is not funible to

1432
00:59:19,599 --> 00:59:21,599
general fund money, but general fund

1433
00:59:21,599 --> 00:59:25,430
money is funible.

1434
00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:26,960
» Well, I talked to the mayor about it.

1435
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:29,280
You know, we and we talked that we

1436
00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:30,960
really have four things in this city

1437
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:34,079
that is really important. Water number

1438
00:59:34,079 --> 00:59:36,400
one,

1439
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:39,200
roads probably and snow removal number

1440
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:43,359
two, and then three would be fire, and

1441
00:59:43,359 --> 00:59:45,200
fire is really an issue, could be a real

1442
00:59:45,200 --> 00:59:47,599
issue this year.

1443
00:59:47,599 --> 00:59:49,839
So, all it takes, all it takes is one

1444
00:59:49,839 --> 00:59:51,680
match and we could be gone.

1445
00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:53,040
>> It's funny. I was looking at the amount

1446
00:59:53,040 --> 00:59:56,079
that Ted requested and not just because

1447
00:59:56,079 --> 00:59:57,440
I'm on the fire department, but I look

1448
00:59:57,440 --> 00:59:58,640
at that and I think that's money well

1449
00:59:58,640 --> 00:59:59,599
spent.

1450
00:59:59,599 --> 01:00:00,240
>> Absolutely.

1451
01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:03,440
>> For for this city, especially this year,

1452
01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:06,400
>> it's it's money well spent if we've got

1453
01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:09,040
our department well equipped and I think

1454
01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:10,559
it could pay dividends.

1455
01:00:10,559 --> 01:00:12,799
>> Another way to look at that $60,000

1456
01:00:12,799 --> 01:00:14,880
leftover is what are some things that

1457
01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:17,760
we're skimping on that we could spend

1458
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:19,839
more on and get a better investment?

1459
01:00:19,839 --> 01:00:21,040
Like for example, you mentioned the

1460
01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:23,119
ambulance. If we're buying a used

1461
01:00:23,119 --> 01:00:24,880
ambulance for 150, what if we just

1462
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:28,720
bought a brand new ambulance for 210?

1463
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:30,559
Well, and this is one of the things

1464
01:00:30,559 --> 01:00:34,559
that, you know, we should bet is

1465
01:00:34,559 --> 01:00:38,000
our our whole building structure here

1466
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:42,079
housing our equipment downstairs. A lot

1467
01:00:42,079 --> 01:00:44,240
of our equipment sits outside and

1468
01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:46,720
deteriorates and things like that.

1469
01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:48,799
>> Not as much anymore. It's been cleaned

1470
01:00:48,799 --> 01:00:50,319
out pretty good down there.

1471
01:00:50,319 --> 01:00:51,680
>> Have you been down there lately?

1472
01:00:51,680 --> 01:00:52,480
>> I haven't.

1473
01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:54,400
>> Is that because we just used to have a

1474
01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:57,200
lot more vehicles and we've um

1475
01:00:57,200 --> 01:01:00,480
consolidated to just a few?

1476
01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:02,480
>> Yes. Um

1477
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:05,520
>> we were hoarding all kinds of stuff.

1478
01:01:05,520 --> 01:01:07,520
>> Yes.

1479
01:01:07,520 --> 01:01:10,400
Uh Toby's a neat freak

1480
01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:10,880
and

1481
01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:12,079
>> good for Toby.

1482
01:01:12,079 --> 01:01:14,000
>> He's an organization neat freak.

1483
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:15,520
>> I'd like to go down and see what he's

1484
01:01:15,520 --> 01:01:17,599
done. Doug wanted to do that. can't find

1485
01:01:17,599 --> 01:01:19,680
anything anymore, but

1486
01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:21,359
>> it's all cleaned up. He sure can.

1487
01:01:21,359 --> 01:01:23,200
>> Street signs. They used to be just

1488
01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:24,960
laying all over the place, stacked,

1489
01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:26,960
mismatch, and now he has them all on the

1490
01:01:26,960 --> 01:01:28,799
wall grouped by category. You can see

1491
01:01:28,799 --> 01:01:31,200
exactly what we have and how many it

1492
01:01:31,200 --> 01:01:32,000
looks so good.

1493
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:33,760
>> I love

1494
01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:36,000
>> workbench empty.

1495
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:37,920
>> We don't need a new street sign, but we

1496
01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:43,440
do need to go and straight street sign.

1497
01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:46,240
It got bent in half and then I bent part

1498
01:01:46,240 --> 01:01:48,960
of it back, but I don't have the tools.

1499
01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:50,559
I mean, I did this as I was driving by

1500
01:01:50,559 --> 01:01:52,079
one day and just went, "Oh, I'm going to

1501
01:01:52,079 --> 01:01:53,680
try and bend that back a little bit

1502
01:01:53,680 --> 01:01:55,839
better so it's at least visible." But

1503
01:01:55,839 --> 01:01:57,680
it's the intersection of Loafer and

1504
01:01:57,680 --> 01:02:01,839
Woodland Hills Drive in um

1505
01:02:01,839 --> 01:02:05,200
what's his name?

1506
01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:07,200
I can picture him. Genie and

1507
01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:08,240
>> Brad Merritt.

1508
01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:10,400
>> Brad Merritt's

1509
01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:10,880
Okay,

1510
01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:17,200
>> that's stop sign there. There's a a yellow sign below it that's flat on

1511
01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:19,760
one side and then

1512
01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:21,760
curvy on the other side of it because it

1513
01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:23,440
got whacked by something going around.

1514
01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:26,319
>> So, we've got um a system by which we

1515
01:02:26,319 --> 01:02:28,400
can give to a list of things to that

1516
01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:30,559
need to be done. So, if you shoot me a

1517
01:02:30,559 --> 01:02:33,920
text of a picture of that with a even if

1518
01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:36,000
like a pin or something on it, I can add

1519
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:38,079
it and it'll be done tomorrow.

1520
01:02:38,079 --> 01:02:40,799
>> Kobe is so good. It's an easy thing to

1521
01:02:40,799 --> 01:02:43,440
just take off. Take two bolts off, lay

1522
01:02:43,440 --> 01:02:45,520
it down on the ground, flatten it out,

1523
01:02:45,520 --> 01:02:46,960
and then put it back up.

1524
01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:50,960
>> 100%. Yeah. Doesn't even cost money.

1525
01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:53,599
Just tie. So, here's the thing. That

1526
01:02:53,599 --> 01:02:56,400
$60,000,

1527
01:02:56,400 --> 01:03:00,799
there are a lot of places on that list,

1528
01:03:00,799 --> 01:03:03,280
right? Where have we pinched the penny

1529
01:03:03,280 --> 01:03:07,280
so thin that it's gone ragged? Like for

1530
01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:10,079
example, on one of these right here is

1531
01:03:10,079 --> 01:03:13,119
the city center

1532
01:03:13,119 --> 01:03:15,359
uh mat,

1533
01:03:15,359 --> 01:03:18,480
>> the entry mat, right? We've had that

1534
01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:20,720
Woodland Hills mat in the entry for so

1535
01:03:20,720 --> 01:03:23,280
long that's half duct tape. It's missing

1536
01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:25,440
the A

1537
01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:28,640
and it I think it it it wears on a few

1538
01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:30,559
people when they walk into their city

1539
01:03:30,559 --> 01:03:32,559
center and it looks like you walked

1540
01:03:32,559 --> 01:03:34,400
into,

1541
01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:37,440
you know, budget rent a car. You know,

1542
01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:40,240
it's there's some things we could do to

1543
01:03:40,240 --> 01:03:42,799
make that look nice. You know, maybe

1544
01:03:42,799 --> 01:03:44,799
another thing is is when we redo the

1545
01:03:44,799 --> 01:03:47,359
mailbox or the roundabout,

1546
01:03:47,359 --> 01:03:49,200
you know, maybe we want to put some

1547
01:03:49,200 --> 01:03:51,359
money into that roundabout for

1548
01:03:51,359 --> 01:03:57,039
>> a sign. a sign or a bronze or

1549
01:03:57,039 --> 01:03:59,839
something to you know

1550
01:03:59,839 --> 01:04:02,960
are the flags still flags are not well

1551
01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:04,640
they are for a little bit and then but

1552
01:04:04,640 --> 01:04:08,000
they'll be back in okay new flag pole

1553
01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:09,200
okay

1554
01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:11,440
>> digitizing city records that's going to

1555
01:04:11,440 --> 01:04:14,000
be done internally or hired out

1556
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:15,680
professionally a

1557
01:04:15,680 --> 01:04:18,799
>> little of both and that's a three-year

1558
01:04:18,799 --> 01:04:22,400
plan if I recall Um,

1559
01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:24,160
it's not longterm. In other words, it's

1560
01:04:24,160 --> 01:04:25,599
not it's time limited.

1561
01:04:25,599 --> 01:04:28,950
>> Yeah.

1562
01:04:28,960 --> 01:04:32,079
» Write that down. I'll articulate that a

1563
01:04:32,079 --> 01:04:34,880
little better. A little bit.

1564
01:04:34,880 --> 01:04:37,359
>> Uh, that question, right?

1565
01:04:37,359 --> 01:04:38,880
>> The plan of the digitizing of the

1566
01:04:38,880 --> 01:04:40,640
records because there's some personal

1567
01:04:40,640 --> 01:04:42,559
information

1568
01:04:42,559 --> 01:04:44,720
um that I'd be happy to share. Okay.

1569
01:04:44,720 --> 01:04:46,640
>> And that wouldn't be appropriate for me

1570
01:04:46,640 --> 01:04:48,720
to put on the record.

1571
01:04:48,720 --> 01:04:51,119
So, the flooring that's up there for

1572
01:04:51,119 --> 01:04:53,200
25,000,

1573
01:04:53,200 --> 01:04:55,359
that's this carpet.

1574
01:04:55,359 --> 01:04:58,160
>> Uh the 25,000 is a rough estimate for

1575
01:04:58,160 --> 01:04:59,680
potentially

1576
01:04:59,680 --> 01:05:02,559
cuz the council, it used to be 50,000

1577
01:05:02,559 --> 01:05:05,280
for the entire main floor here. The

1578
01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:07,440
council said this carpet's fine.

1579
01:05:07,440 --> 01:05:09,520
>> Yeah. And so they cut it in half to do

1580
01:05:09,520 --> 01:05:12,400
that side because like in Jod's there's

1581
01:05:12,400 --> 01:05:15,839
like a half inch roll

1582
01:05:15,839 --> 01:05:18,000
where the carpets come off and we've

1583
01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:20,079
stretched the carpet. The last time we

1584
01:05:20,079 --> 01:05:22,319
got it stretched the stretcher said this

1585
01:05:22,319 --> 01:05:24,960
is the end. It's time to replace it. And

1586
01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:25,599
this is original

1587
01:05:25,599 --> 01:05:27,359
>> the stuff that's used on a daily basis

1588
01:05:27,359 --> 01:05:30,079
versus just periodic meetings.

1589
01:05:30,079 --> 01:05:32,799
>> Yep. And we'll basically say okay we're

1590
01:05:32,799 --> 01:05:34,960
approved for 25,000. If we can get the

1591
01:05:34,960 --> 01:05:38,640
whole building recarpeted for 25,000,

1592
01:05:38,640 --> 01:05:40,720
we'll do it.

1593
01:05:40,720 --> 01:05:43,280
Or we'll tell the council, hey, we need

1594
01:05:43,280 --> 01:05:45,039
26 to do the whole building. Would you

1595
01:05:45,039 --> 01:05:47,280
want to do that? And they'll say, no, we

1596
01:05:47,280 --> 01:05:48,880
still want you to just do the half and

1597
01:05:48,880 --> 01:05:50,400
we'll take the excess. Thank you very

1598
01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:53,440
much. I'm trying to let the council

1599
01:05:53,440 --> 01:05:55,280
dictate the priorities of the city

1600
01:05:55,280 --> 01:06:01,029
because they hold the purse strings.

1601
01:06:01,039 --> 01:06:02,720
» Okay. What other questions do we have

1602
01:06:02,720 --> 01:06:06,160
then on here?

1603
01:06:06,160 --> 01:06:08,960
We got to get Mike home.

1604
01:06:08,960 --> 01:06:11,280
>> I wish his son a happy birthday.

1605
01:06:11,280 --> 01:06:12,160
>> Amen.

1606
01:06:12,160 --> 01:06:14,000
>> Oh, good.

1607
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:17,520
Uh the council basically said

1608
01:06:17,520 --> 01:06:19,280
when it comes to fire, especially this

1609
01:06:19,280 --> 01:06:24,880
year, they checked all the boxes.

1610
01:06:24,880 --> 01:06:28,549
Um

1611
01:06:28,559 --> 01:06:32,640
the fuel reduction here, similar thing.

1612
01:06:32,640 --> 01:06:34,559
Council just said this is the what we

1613
01:06:34,559 --> 01:06:38,160
feel is a good prioritization of funds.

1614
01:06:38,160 --> 01:06:40,160
>> So right now the fire department is

1615
01:06:40,160 --> 01:06:42,640
pretty well stocked with the new fire

1616
01:06:42,640 --> 01:06:44,400
truck,

1617
01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:46,480
brush truck.

1618
01:06:46,480 --> 01:06:50,480
We're in good shape in that that area.

1619
01:06:50,480 --> 01:06:53,440
We really Ted will be coming to the

1620
01:06:53,440 --> 01:06:55,200
council

1621
01:06:55,200 --> 01:06:57,599
in the near future requesting a new

1622
01:06:57,599 --> 01:06:59,440
brush truck.

1623
01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:01,119
>> A new brush truck. We just got a new

1624
01:07:01,119 --> 01:07:02,160
brush truck.

1625
01:07:02,160 --> 01:07:06,079
>> Uh yeah, the old one has died and it's

1626
01:07:06,079 --> 01:07:07,039
limping along.

1627
01:07:07,039 --> 01:07:08,880
>> An Egnominia is dead.

1628
01:07:08,880 --> 01:07:11,920
>> Uh it's got overheating issues. Uh Craig

1629
01:07:11,920 --> 01:07:13,599
is doing his best to keep it clean.

1630
01:07:13,599 --> 01:07:14,960
>> Two brush strokes.

1631
01:07:14,960 --> 01:07:16,559
>> Yeah, we would sell the one that's

1632
01:07:16,559 --> 01:07:19,039
dilapidated and then we would replace

1633
01:07:19,039 --> 01:07:22,640
it. So when the when our our fire or

1634
01:07:22,640 --> 01:07:24,799
mitigation fire mitigation crew goes out

1635
01:07:24,799 --> 01:07:29,520
on a fire somewhere, they're taking the one you're calling the new brush

1636
01:07:29,520 --> 01:07:30,000
truck.

1637
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:30,640
>> Okay.

1638
01:07:30,640 --> 01:07:33,760
>> And we really we need a better truck in

1639
01:07:33,760 --> 01:07:34,400
the city.

1640
01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:37,920
>> Yeah, we do. We need a good one.

1641
01:07:37,920 --> 01:07:39,760
>> So they make money for the city when

1642
01:07:39,760 --> 01:07:41,039
they take it.

1643
01:07:41,039 --> 01:07:43,039
>> So take it. We'll keep one here for when

1644
01:07:43,039 --> 01:07:44,960
>> we that it's a good program.

1645
01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:48,799
>> Yep. Uh there are some cities who are

1646
01:07:48,799 --> 01:07:52,400
fully funded by their fire mitigation

1647
01:07:52,400 --> 01:07:56,400
crews. Um I think it's

1648
01:07:56,400 --> 01:07:57,680
I can't remember the name of the city,

1649
01:07:57,680 --> 01:08:00,000
so I won't try and butcher one, but they

1650
01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:03,119
make about $2.5 million a year just

1651
01:08:03,119 --> 01:08:06,240
farming out their nine crews.

1652
01:08:06,240 --> 01:08:07,119
>> And so they've

1653
01:08:07,119 --> 01:08:08,079
>> crews. Wow.

1654
01:08:08,079 --> 01:08:09,920
>> They've built the whole program around

1655
01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:11,839
it. They've hired administration to just

1656
01:08:11,839 --> 01:08:14,079
run the program,

1657
01:08:14,079 --> 01:08:16,400
but they don't have the property tax

1658
01:08:16,400 --> 01:08:19,279
problems we do because all that revenue

1659
01:08:19,279 --> 01:08:20,960
comes, but they don't have commercial

1660
01:08:20,960 --> 01:08:24,880
like we also don't have. So, that's that

1661
01:08:24,880 --> 01:08:27,040
is a strategic element. Our problem

1662
01:08:27,040 --> 01:08:30,480
right now is we're on that pinnacle

1663
01:08:30,480 --> 01:08:33,120
because we need fire bosses, crew crew

1664
01:08:33,120 --> 01:08:34,640
bosses that can actually have the

1665
01:08:34,640 --> 01:08:38,319
certification to run the crew. um and

1666
01:08:38,319 --> 01:08:40,319
figuring out how we cover their costs.

1667
01:08:40,319 --> 01:08:43,920
And we really need to get to another

1668
01:08:43,920 --> 01:08:47,040
crew at least to really start making

1669
01:08:47,040 --> 01:08:49,359
money. We're at kind of a break even

1670
01:08:49,359 --> 01:08:51,359
unless we have like last year that

1671
01:08:51,359 --> 01:08:53,920
California fire which made us most of

1672
01:08:53,920 --> 01:08:55,199
our money last year.

1673
01:08:55,199 --> 01:08:56,000
>> Although we haven't

1674
01:08:56,000 --> 01:08:57,120
>> You're going to have plenty of fires

1675
01:08:57,120 --> 01:08:58,880
this year.

1676
01:08:58,880 --> 01:09:02,880
>> Yes. U so I have a question here on uh

1677
01:09:02,880 --> 01:09:05,040
Ted's budget

1678
01:09:05,040 --> 01:09:08,480
>> and I know that I know that he's talked

1679
01:09:08,480 --> 01:09:10,880
about and you've mentioned mayor that

1680
01:09:10,880 --> 01:09:13,040
there's possible grant money coming

1681
01:09:13,040 --> 01:09:15,440
forth but we we need to be thinking

1682
01:09:15,440 --> 01:09:18,799
about this uh phase 2 water line. I

1683
01:09:18,799 --> 01:09:21,279
don't know how critical it is but at the

1684
01:09:21,279 --> 01:09:23,679
time it was sounded pretty critical when

1685
01:09:23,679 --> 01:09:26,880
we were in the throngs of it. I guess we

1686
01:09:26,880 --> 01:09:29,040
need to we don't need to understand what

1687
01:09:29,040 --> 01:09:31,279
that is and what kind of budget. I guess

1688
01:09:31,279 --> 01:09:33,199
that's a four and a half million dollar

1689
01:09:33,199 --> 01:09:34,480
project.

1690
01:09:34,480 --> 01:09:35,279
>> Correct. So

1691
01:09:35,279 --> 01:09:37,279
>> when you say phase two, are you talking

1692
01:09:37,279 --> 01:09:38,799
secondary water?

1693
01:09:38,799 --> 01:09:41,359
>> No. Main water line.

1694
01:09:41,359 --> 01:09:43,759
>> So remember

1695
01:09:43,759 --> 01:09:45,600
where do you live? You're up on Eagle's

1696
01:09:45,600 --> 01:09:46,480
Dust, right?

1697
01:09:46,480 --> 01:09:47,120
>> Not quite.

1698
01:09:47,120 --> 01:09:48,799
>> Are you Thousand Oaks? I'm Richard

1699
01:09:48,799 --> 01:09:49,520
Thousand.

1700
01:09:49,520 --> 01:09:53,040
>> So you're in good shape. Um so the

1701
01:09:53,040 --> 01:09:55,679
original development of the city used

1702
01:09:55,679 --> 01:09:58,719
iron ductal piping which started eroding

1703
01:09:58,719 --> 01:10:01,600
because of the the acid acidity of our

1704
01:10:01,600 --> 01:10:05,120
dirt all sorts of things. It is dying

1705
01:10:05,120 --> 01:10:07,920
faster than it should. So on the lower

1706
01:10:07,920 --> 01:10:10,640
levels of the city

1707
01:10:10,640 --> 01:10:14,480
three years ago two years ago

1708
01:10:14,480 --> 01:10:17,520
>> when we ripped up a bunch of streets and

1709
01:10:17,520 --> 01:10:19,120
replaced all the water lines. That's

1710
01:10:19,120 --> 01:10:21,360
where the $75 on our bill each month

1711
01:10:21,360 --> 01:10:23,199
comes from.

1712
01:10:23,199 --> 01:10:25,920
>> That was phase one of the water project.

1713
01:10:25,920 --> 01:10:26,480
>> Got it.

1714
01:10:26,480 --> 01:10:30,320
>> So now, so Michael's road is atrocious

1715
01:10:30,320 --> 01:10:34,159
and he loves it.

1716
01:10:34,159 --> 01:10:36,320
>> He He and all of his neighbors may ask

1717
01:10:36,320 --> 01:10:37,920
me monthly when their road's being

1718
01:10:37,920 --> 01:10:39,760
repaired,

1719
01:10:39,760 --> 01:10:42,800
but it needs the water line replaced. So

1720
01:10:42,800 --> 01:10:45,040
that goes basically from Michael's well

1721
01:10:45,040 --> 01:10:47,120
just below Michael's house all the way

1722
01:10:47,120 --> 01:10:50,560
up to Highline

1723
01:10:50,560 --> 01:10:53,520
and around in Sky Lake and basically

1724
01:10:53,520 --> 01:10:55,360
that area is phase two.

1725
01:10:55,360 --> 01:10:58,000
>> That's putting in an 8 in line. Are you

1726
01:10:58,000 --> 01:10:59,840
saying lower maple has already been

1727
01:10:59,840 --> 01:11:00,480
replaced?

1728
01:11:00,480 --> 01:11:01,040
>> Correct.

1729
01:11:01,040 --> 01:11:01,440
>> Okay.

1730
01:11:01,440 --> 01:11:04,400
>> So our budget of the first phase I know

1731
01:11:04,400 --> 01:11:05,520
that that would explain there's new

1732
01:11:05,520 --> 01:11:06,880
asphalt in the lower half.

1733
01:11:06,880 --> 01:11:09,600
>> Correct. They got a new water line. The

1734
01:11:09,600 --> 01:11:11,840
budget went further than we anticipated

1735
01:11:11,840 --> 01:11:13,440
with the bond we took.

1736
01:11:13,440 --> 01:11:16,719
>> So we went, it was 3.2 million, but we

1737
01:11:16,719 --> 01:11:21,360
got 300,000 of that forgiven as a gift.

1738
01:11:21,360 --> 01:11:25,360
>> Beautiful. And we then also further

1739
01:11:25,360 --> 01:11:30,080
>> 2.9 as I remember is what we bonded for.

1740
01:11:30,080 --> 01:11:32,880
>> Yep. And we were able to do more than we

1741
01:11:32,880 --> 01:11:35,840
anticipated in the first engineering

1742
01:11:35,840 --> 01:11:38,880
scope. And we've found with Ted that's

1743
01:11:38,880 --> 01:11:41,120
typically the case. He is by every

1744
01:11:41,120 --> 01:11:44,080
nature an engineer, right? Overestimate

1745
01:11:44,080 --> 01:11:45,840
and thus you're not being burned on the

1746
01:11:45,840 --> 01:11:49,199
back end. So I anticipate

1747
01:11:49,199 --> 01:11:50,960
um we'll go through a similar cycle

1748
01:11:50,960 --> 01:11:54,480
again. We have requested through Burgess

1749
01:11:54,480 --> 01:11:58,560
Owen's office for earmarks on the next

1750
01:11:58,560 --> 01:12:02,159
uh federal budgetary cycle.

1751
01:12:02,159 --> 01:12:07,199
um I believe 2 1/2 million of the four

1752
01:12:07,199 --> 01:12:09,280
because Burgess thought he could get

1753
01:12:09,280 --> 01:12:11,920
that more confidently than the four and

1754
01:12:11,920 --> 01:12:16,560
1/2 or five. So we are hoping with that

1755
01:12:16,560 --> 01:12:20,480
also the what was that the department

1756
01:12:20,480 --> 01:12:23,760
the the department of drinking water

1757
01:12:23,760 --> 01:12:26,880
>> it was the rural Utah drinking water

1758
01:12:26,880 --> 01:12:28,320
association of Utah.

1759
01:12:28,320 --> 01:12:32,000
>> Thank you. They are also then they are

1760
01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:36,800
currently on um what's the term? They're

1761
01:12:36,800 --> 01:12:38,560
not taking any applications right now.

1762
01:12:38,560 --> 01:12:40,320
They're waiting to try and get caught up

1763
01:12:40,320 --> 01:12:43,040
administratively and that should end in

1764
01:12:43,040 --> 01:12:45,920
July I believe. And when they open that

1765
01:12:45,920 --> 01:12:48,800
back up for new applications for funding

1766
01:12:48,800 --> 01:12:51,840
on that fund on those funds, we're

1767
01:12:51,840 --> 01:12:54,080
hoping to then be able to submit the

1768
01:12:54,080 --> 01:12:57,040
second half. I am currently also working

1769
01:12:57,040 --> 01:12:59,520
with MAG to see if there's any MAG

1770
01:12:59,520 --> 01:13:01,600
funding that can help because we have

1771
01:13:01,600 --> 01:13:04,800
found out that MAG because of how

1772
01:13:04,800 --> 01:13:07,840
they're structured can give

1773
01:13:07,840 --> 01:13:11,040
infrastructure dollars to cities for

1774
01:13:11,040 --> 01:13:14,800
lowincome homes. So they don't give per

1775
01:13:14,800 --> 01:13:18,239
a project necessarily, but what they can

1776
01:13:18,239 --> 01:13:21,040
do is say, well, you have of that mile

1777
01:13:21,040 --> 01:13:24,159
of infrastructure you need to replace.

1778
01:13:24,159 --> 01:13:28,320
Um 30% of that mile is in front of

1779
01:13:28,320 --> 01:13:31,760
lowincome people. Now,

1780
01:13:31,760 --> 01:13:33,440
>> what part of Woodland Hills is low

1781
01:13:33,440 --> 01:13:34,000
income?

1782
01:13:34,000 --> 01:13:36,800
>> So here's the part income retirees,

1783
01:13:36,800 --> 01:13:42,000
>> right? Yes. So if over 65,

1784
01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:44,159
they may qualify. They may be

1785
01:13:44,159 --> 01:13:46,480
multi-millionaires in that home,

1786
01:13:46,480 --> 01:13:47,199
>> right?

1787
01:13:47,199 --> 01:13:49,440
>> But their income is now such

1788
01:13:49,440 --> 01:13:49,840
>> Yeah.

1789
01:13:49,840 --> 01:13:51,360
>> that we would be able to then

1790
01:13:51,360 --> 01:13:54,239
potentially pull some funds there. So

1791
01:13:54,239 --> 01:13:56,239
I'm going to every department that I sit

1792
01:13:56,239 --> 01:13:59,120
on boards for as the mayor and trying to

1793
01:13:59,120 --> 01:14:01,440
claw every cent out of everywhere we

1794
01:14:01,440 --> 01:14:04,480
can, which is fascinating, too, because

1795
01:14:04,480 --> 01:14:07,760
the the more I learn about this

1796
01:14:07,760 --> 01:14:10,400
When you have multiple sources of

1797
01:14:10,400 --> 01:14:12,960
funding for a project,

1798
01:14:12,960 --> 01:14:15,280
more departments and agencies get

1799
01:14:15,280 --> 01:14:18,239
excited and want in and so it becomes

1800
01:14:18,239 --> 01:14:20,960
even easier to get funding. So the more

1801
01:14:20,960 --> 01:14:23,760
Frankenstein we create this funding

1802
01:14:23,760 --> 01:14:26,560
package, the more excited people are

1803
01:14:26,560 --> 01:14:29,520
about being part of Frankenstein.

1804
01:14:29,520 --> 01:14:33,120
So, I am trying to bleed every single

1805
01:14:33,120 --> 01:14:37,280
scent dry before we do the easy option,

1806
01:14:37,280 --> 01:14:40,880
which is add another bill to our 75 or

1807
01:14:40,880 --> 01:14:44,960
$78, $79 a month, right? Cuz it could

1808
01:14:44,960 --> 01:14:48,560
turn into $120 a month. Is that ever

1809
01:14:48,560 --> 01:14:49,600
going away?

1810
01:14:49,600 --> 01:14:51,360
>> Yes. When the bond's paid back, it will

1811
01:14:51,360 --> 01:14:52,560
go away.

1812
01:14:52,560 --> 01:14:56,080
>> That's in 20.

1813
01:14:56,080 --> 01:14:57,920
>> Thanks for that.

1814
01:14:57,920 --> 01:15:01,199
We're going to be 1001.

1815
01:15:01,199 --> 01:15:02,000
>> So,

1816
01:15:02,000 --> 01:15:03,520
>> and you'll be around, Mike.

1817
01:15:03,520 --> 01:15:07,360
>> He can't use this 60,000 to pay it off

1818
01:15:07,360 --> 01:15:09,280
earlier because

1819
01:15:09,280 --> 01:15:09,679
>> it's

1820
01:15:09,679 --> 01:15:10,960
>> because this is general fund money and

1821
01:15:10,960 --> 01:15:13,840
that was a water bond.

1822
01:15:13,840 --> 01:15:15,040
>> There's a lot of other bonds that we've

1823
01:15:15,040 --> 01:15:16,400
got in the general fund that we could

1824
01:15:16,400 --> 01:15:17,920
pay. We just can't pay the water.

1825
01:15:17,920 --> 01:15:19,199
>> Correct.

1826
01:15:19,199 --> 01:15:21,120
>> Yeah. And so what we would need to do is

1827
01:15:21,120 --> 01:15:22,640
if that's the decision or the

1828
01:15:22,640 --> 01:15:24,880
recommendation from this body to the

1829
01:15:24,880 --> 01:15:27,920
city council is we would need to find

1830
01:15:27,920 --> 01:15:33,440
with our you know Mark Anderson over at Zans would be able to help us

1831
01:15:33,440 --> 01:15:37,360
identify which piece or which bonds we

1832
01:15:37,360 --> 01:15:39,280
would then be able to potentially pay

1833
01:15:39,280 --> 01:15:40,880
off early because I know some of them

1834
01:15:40,880 --> 01:15:42,960
were barred from paying off early

1835
01:15:42,960 --> 01:15:45,360
without penalties which would exceed the

1836
01:15:45,360 --> 01:15:47,760
60,000 contribution. Lori, what's our

1837
01:15:47,760 --> 01:15:49,920
interest rate on that water bond that we

1838
01:15:49,920 --> 01:15:50,880
got?

1839
01:15:50,880 --> 01:15:52,800
>> That was like 3%, wasn't it?

1840
01:15:52,800 --> 01:15:54,080
>> 0%.

1841
01:15:54,080 --> 01:15:57,360
>> Oh, that's right. That is correct. I'm mistaken.

1842
01:15:57,360 --> 01:15:58,800
>> So, we definitely wouldn't want to be

1843
01:15:58,800 --> 01:16:01,679
paying off zero% interest

1844
01:16:01,679 --> 01:16:03,600
>> 2050 loans. All right.

1845
01:16:03,600 --> 01:16:05,679
>> That's right. You are.

1846
01:16:05,679 --> 01:16:06,800
>> Thank you.

1847
01:16:06,800 --> 01:16:08,880
>> And so, this is another thing if people

1848
01:16:08,880 --> 01:16:11,040
ask you guys, and I believe mostly for

1849
01:16:11,040 --> 01:16:13,199
you, Michael, is new on the committee.

1850
01:16:13,199 --> 01:16:14,800
Um, and I believe you've actually heard

1851
01:16:14,800 --> 01:16:17,600
this in city council meetings. Um, but

1852
01:16:17,600 --> 01:16:19,760
this new bond that we're going for right

1853
01:16:19,760 --> 01:16:22,960
now to pay help pay for the third phase

1854
01:16:22,960 --> 01:16:26,640
of the payment management plan for the

1855
01:16:26,640 --> 01:16:30,320
roads. Um, by doing it this way, as

1856
01:16:30,320 --> 01:16:32,239
we've run the numbers conservatively,

1857
01:16:32,239 --> 01:16:35,520
it'll cost us about $1 million less than

1858
01:16:35,520 --> 01:16:39,440
if we say saved and went out for it.

1859
01:16:39,440 --> 01:16:41,199
>> This was the analysis that Tim helped us

1860
01:16:41,199 --> 01:16:43,840
look at. cost of construction inflation

1861
01:16:43,840 --> 01:16:47,360
versus just doing it all upfront bonding

1862
01:16:47,360 --> 01:16:49,520
>> which is so different.

1863
01:16:49,520 --> 01:16:50,880
>> Any other questions?

1864
01:16:50,880 --> 01:16:52,480
>> Nope.

1865
01:16:52,480 --> 01:16:54,640
>> Erin, you have any questions?

1866
01:16:54,640 --> 01:16:56,560
>> No. As I look down through this list and

1867
01:16:56,560 --> 01:16:59,760
see funding everything except for and

1868
01:16:59,760 --> 01:17:03,520
the except fors um we can see why

1869
01:17:03,520 --> 01:17:05,679
there's a good reason to hold off on

1870
01:17:05,679 --> 01:17:08,320
that because it's not terribly urgent.

1871
01:17:08,320 --> 01:17:10,320
Um,

1872
01:17:10,320 --> 01:17:13,120
and as I look through the requests of

1873
01:17:13,120 --> 01:17:14,960
how much they're requesting to do

1874
01:17:14,960 --> 01:17:17,199
various things, I don't see anything

1875
01:17:17,199 --> 01:17:18,880
here that jumps out at me and goes,

1876
01:17:18,880 --> 01:17:24,550
"Whoa, that's way out of proportion."

1877
01:17:24,560 --> 01:17:26,480
» And Michael, did you see in there that I

1878
01:17:26,480 --> 01:17:27,840
did add?

1879
01:17:27,840 --> 01:17:28,159
>> Yes.

1880
01:17:28,159 --> 01:17:30,560
>> Um, access.

1881
01:17:30,560 --> 01:17:31,199
>> Thank you.

1882
01:17:31,199 --> 01:17:32,800
>> Um, I should have somebody actually come

1883
01:17:32,800 --> 01:17:34,880
in to help bid that project tomorrow.

1884
01:17:34,880 --> 01:17:37,040
So, we should actually be able to even

1885
01:17:37,040 --> 01:17:39,360
get that done this budgetary cycle.

1886
01:17:39,360 --> 01:17:40,400
>> What was this?

1887
01:17:40,400 --> 01:17:43,679
>> Uh, access this side of the building

1888
01:17:43,679 --> 01:17:44,960
accessible.

1889
01:17:44,960 --> 01:17:47,440
>> This side. Are you saying some is and

1890
01:17:47,440 --> 01:17:48,159
some is not?

1891
01:17:48,159 --> 01:17:50,000
>> Correct. The offices are, but you can't

1892
01:17:50,000 --> 01:17:52,960
access this room or the um

1893
01:17:52,960 --> 01:17:54,800
>> Oh, right. Yeah. Because you got a step

1894
01:17:54,800 --> 01:17:55,600
to get up in

1895
01:17:55,600 --> 01:17:56,480
>> the activity.

1896
01:17:56,480 --> 01:17:56,960
>> Yeah.

1897
01:17:56,960 --> 01:17:59,280
>> So, we're going to turn that middle set

1898
01:17:59,280 --> 01:18:00,000
of doors

1899
01:18:00,000 --> 01:18:00,640
>> Uhhuh.

1900
01:18:00,640 --> 01:18:02,080
>> into a ramp.

1901
01:18:02,080 --> 01:18:04,320
>> Nice. So, I've got my concrete guy

1902
01:18:04,320 --> 01:18:08,159
coming to give us a bit on that.

1903
01:18:08,159 --> 01:18:08,880
So,

1904
01:18:08,880 --> 01:18:11,600
>> okay. Um, Lori, we appreciate you being

1905
01:18:11,600 --> 01:18:12,000
here.

1906
01:18:12,000 --> 01:18:12,480
>> Thank you.

1907
01:18:12,480 --> 01:18:13,360
>> You're welcome.

1908
01:18:13,360 --> 01:18:15,199
>> And they will go into the minutes that

1909
01:18:15,199 --> 01:18:19,679
we missed Janet and Tim and want them to

1910
01:18:19,679 --> 01:18:22,480
know that we appreciate them and they

1911
01:18:22,480 --> 01:18:23,679
hope they're having a good time with

1912
01:18:23,679 --> 01:18:27,440
whatever they're doing. So, we'll

1913
01:18:27,440 --> 01:18:30,000
>> Janet is having a good time.

1914
01:18:30,000 --> 01:18:31,840
I know she

1915
01:18:31,840 --> 01:18:32,880
is.

1916
01:18:32,880 --> 01:18:34,159
>> I know that she is.

1917
01:18:34,159 --> 01:18:35,840
>> I imagine Tim's having a fun time with

1918
01:18:35,840 --> 01:18:38,159
Tim's grandson.

1919
01:18:38,159 --> 01:18:39,760
>> And Mike, you need to get over to you.

1920
01:18:39,760 --> 01:18:40,159
And

1921
01:18:40,159 --> 01:18:42,000
>> I do. Do we want to schedule Do we need

1922
01:18:42,000 --> 01:18:43,840
to schedule another meeting?

1923
01:18:43,840 --> 01:18:44,719
>> Um,

1924
01:18:44,719 --> 01:18:46,080
>> should we now or should we wait until

1925
01:18:46,080 --> 01:18:47,440
everybody's Do you want to do it via

1926
01:18:47,440 --> 01:18:48,000
email?

1927
01:18:48,000 --> 01:18:49,920
>> Yeah, I think so. Is that if that's

1928
01:18:49,920 --> 01:18:52,320
okay? Next meeting to be determined,

1929
01:18:52,320 --> 01:18:52,800
>> right?

1930
01:18:52,800 --> 01:18:55,920
>> Um, when is your when are you going to

1931
01:18:55,920 --> 01:18:57,120
vote on this, mayor?

1932
01:18:57,120 --> 01:19:00,880
>> Yeah, that's so good question. So on the

1933
01:19:00,880 --> 01:19:03,360
12th of this month, so next week,

1934
01:19:03,360 --> 01:19:06,560
Tuesday, um I will be presenting the

1935
01:19:06,560 --> 01:19:08,560
mayor's budget to the council. So

1936
01:19:08,560 --> 01:19:10,320
basically a compilation of what they've

1937
01:19:10,320 --> 01:19:12,320
created and what you guys have then

1938
01:19:12,320 --> 01:19:14,880
talked about. So if you find anything as

1939
01:19:14,880 --> 01:19:17,360
you think about between now and Tuesday,

1940
01:19:17,360 --> 01:19:19,840
please share those thoughts with me um

1941
01:19:19,840 --> 01:19:24,960
or Lori. Um and so I'll be then sharing

1942
01:19:24,960 --> 01:19:27,600
the mayor's budget. um that will then

1943
01:19:27,600 --> 01:19:31,040
start the cascade between now and

1944
01:19:31,040 --> 01:19:35,040
basically the last meeting in June on

1945
01:19:35,040 --> 01:19:36,880
multiple different meetings, public

1946
01:19:36,880 --> 01:19:39,440
hearings, all of those things. Um and so

1947
01:19:39,440 --> 01:19:42,960
then we'll solidify this by then. So I

1948
01:19:42,960 --> 01:19:45,199
will be happy to send out the mayor's

1949
01:19:45,199 --> 01:19:47,840
budget when I've solidified that. Um

1950
01:19:47,840 --> 01:19:49,360
because one of the things that's about

1951
01:19:49,360 --> 01:19:51,360
this document is it's good for working

1952
01:19:51,360 --> 01:19:54,960
on a situation like this,

1953
01:19:54,960 --> 01:19:57,440
but there's as we've seen there are

1954
01:19:57,440 --> 01:20:00,239
errors in here. I assume especially with

1955
01:20:00,239 --> 01:20:04,000
pulling Chris's salary out of 15 places,

1956
01:20:04,000 --> 01:20:06,159
I probably still have some of his salary

1957
01:20:06,159 --> 01:20:10,159
built in here. Um and so when Lori and I

1958
01:20:10,159 --> 01:20:13,120
this week input it into Polaris,

1959
01:20:13,120 --> 01:20:15,199
it will catch all of those potential

1960
01:20:15,199 --> 01:20:18,239
errors that were Ben made. Um, and so

1961
01:20:18,239 --> 01:20:19,840
that's what the mayor's budget will be

1962
01:20:19,840 --> 01:20:22,400
is a full reconciliation of of that

1963
01:20:22,400 --> 01:20:24,320
whole process.

1964
01:20:24,320 --> 01:20:26,000
Um,

1965
01:20:26,000 --> 01:20:28,880
so any thoughts? Uh, key takeaway for me

1966
01:20:28,880 --> 01:20:31,679
or maybe assignment is think about

1967
01:20:31,679 --> 01:20:34,080
potentially some options for any excess

1968
01:20:34,080 --> 01:20:37,600
funds. Don't think about it as a $60,000

1969
01:20:37,600 --> 01:20:41,679
sum just as a for excess funds. We the

1970
01:20:41,679 --> 01:20:43,120
council of finance committee would

1971
01:20:43,120 --> 01:20:44,880
recommend

1972
01:20:44,880 --> 01:20:47,199
XYZ in this prioritization.

1973
01:20:47,199 --> 01:20:47,920
>> Okay.

1974
01:20:47,920 --> 01:20:50,560
>> Right. So we'll we'll give you notice on

1975
01:20:50,560 --> 01:20:52,159
that. And then I did want to make

1976
01:20:52,159 --> 01:20:56,480
mention that Charlene Wild

1977
01:20:56,480 --> 01:20:56,800
right?

1978
01:20:56,800 --> 01:20:57,280
>> Yep.

1979
01:20:57,280 --> 01:21:00,000
>> Charlene Wild. Will she be attending

1980
01:21:00,000 --> 01:21:01,520
these meetings?

1981
01:21:01,520 --> 01:21:02,960
>> Uh she can.

1982
01:21:02,960 --> 01:21:03,679
>> Okay.

1983
01:21:03,679 --> 01:21:05,360
>> Um

1984
01:21:05,360 --> 01:21:08,320
yeah. And you'll see she actually is

1985
01:21:08,320 --> 01:21:10,239
primary residence in St. George.

1986
01:21:10,239 --> 01:21:11,360
Apparently that's a trend.

1987
01:21:11,360 --> 01:21:13,199
>> So she'll probably attend online most of

1988
01:21:13,199 --> 01:21:13,600
the time.

1989
01:21:13,600 --> 01:21:16,960
>> Um she actually works in Orum two days a

1990
01:21:16,960 --> 01:21:18,960
week and one of those is a Tuesday

1991
01:21:18,960 --> 01:21:19,600
evening.

1992
01:21:19,600 --> 01:21:20,239
>> Okay.

1993
01:21:20,239 --> 01:21:22,480
>> So she said she can pop in on these

1994
01:21:22,480 --> 01:21:23,199
types of meetings.

1995
01:21:23,199 --> 01:21:25,280
>> So do you mind if I give her a call?

1996
01:21:25,280 --> 01:21:26,719
>> No, I do not mind at all.

1997
01:21:26,719 --> 01:21:27,120
>> Okay.

1998
01:21:27,120 --> 01:21:27,760
>> Please.

1999
01:21:27,760 --> 01:21:31,679
>> Is who's doing more of the bookkeeping?

2000
01:21:31,679 --> 01:21:34,320
Is it Lori or is it Charlene? She's just

2001
01:21:34,320 --> 01:21:36,000
doing end of month stuff.

2002
01:21:36,000 --> 01:21:39,920
>> It is a checks and balances.

2003
01:21:39,920 --> 01:21:42,480
most of it and she'll check look for my

2004
01:21:42,480 --> 01:21:44,560
errors,

2005
01:21:44,560 --> 01:21:47,920
but I'm here, you know, all day entering

2006
01:21:47,920 --> 01:21:49,360
a lot of things.

2007
01:21:49,360 --> 01:21:50,000
>> Thank you.

2008
01:21:50,000 --> 01:21:50,560
>> So,

2009
01:21:50,560 --> 01:21:51,840
>> thank you.

2010
01:21:51,840 --> 01:21:54,000
>> But I'm just thinking, does it make more

2011
01:21:54,000 --> 01:21:57,120
sense to have Lori here answering

2012
01:21:57,120 --> 01:21:58,800
questions with finance committee than

2013
01:21:58,800 --> 01:22:04,950
having Charlene? That's just the state

2014
01:22:04,960 --> 01:22:06,800
» I guess it would depend on the types of

2015
01:22:06,800 --> 01:22:08,080
questions. Yeah.

2016
01:22:08,080 --> 01:22:09,600
>> Well, she's going to be doing what Chris

2017
01:22:09,600 --> 01:22:11,120
did

2018
01:22:11,120 --> 01:22:13,760
>> um in some capacities. Are we adjourned?

2019
01:22:13,760 --> 01:22:15,360
>> Yes.

2020
01:22:15,360 --> 01:22:15,679
>> But

2021
01:22:15,679 --> 01:22:16,960
>> do we need to make a motion? How do you

2022
01:22:16,960 --> 01:22:19,040
guys usually adjourn this meeting?

2023
01:22:19,040 --> 01:22:20,960
>> Um like leaves.

2024
01:22:20,960 --> 01:22:23,360
>> I always do a motion, but

2025
01:22:23,360 --> 01:22:23,840
>> Okay.

2026
01:22:23,840 --> 01:22:25,920
>> With with so many few people, we don't

2027
01:22:25,920 --> 01:22:27,120
have quorum.

2028
01:22:27,120 --> 01:22:29,600
>> Perfect. Okay. I'm going to kill this.

2029
01:22:29,600 --> 01:22:31,120
>> I'm going to kill this.

2030
01:22:31,120 --> 01:22:36,390
>> Yeah.

2031
01:22:36,400 --> 01:22:40,239
If you ever need me here, let