[0:08] Okay. Like to welcome everybody to uh
[0:10] city council May 26, 2026.
[0:14] Um Mark, glad to have you. He is our
[0:18] um
[0:20] what would I call it? He's our officer
[0:22] that we work with with uh
[0:24] >> at Zans's public finance.
[0:26] um a great asset there for us. So, we
[0:31] have two public hearings that we're
[0:32] going to start with. So, I'd like to
[0:34] call to order the public hearing
[0:35] regarding the proposed issuance of
[0:37] Wooden Hills City sales and franchise
[0:40] tax revenue bonds uh series 2026 in the
[0:44] principal amount of not to exceed uh
[0:47] 1,400,000
[0:49] in one or more series pursuant to the
[0:52] local government bonding act chapter 11
[0:55] chapter or title 11 chapter 14 Utah code
[0:59] uh annotated 1953
[1:02] um as amended Ed, notice of this public
[1:04] hearing regarding the proposed bonds has
[1:08] been provided as required by law. The
[1:10] notice was posted as a class A notice
[1:13] under section 63G-30-102,
[1:18] Utah code annotated 1953
[1:21] as amended, including posting on the
[1:23] Utah public notice website, the city's
[1:27] official website and here at the
[1:30] Woodland Hills City Center located at
[1:32] 690 South Woodland Hills Drive. The
[1:35] notice was also published in accordance
[1:36] to section 45-1-101
[1:40] Utah code uh annotated 1953 as amended
[1:45] at least 14 days prior to this public
[1:47] hearing. The purpose of this public
[1:49] hearing is to receive input from the
[1:51] members of the the public regarding the
[1:53] proposed issuance of the bonds and any
[1:55] potential economic impact and pro and
[1:58] project finance with the bonds proceed
[2:01] proceeds proceeds may have on the
[2:04] private sector. At this time I will open
[2:07] the public hearing invite any members of
[2:08] the public who uh wishes to speak on
[2:11] this matter to come forward and provide
[2:14] comment.
[2:23] Do you want to note which council
[2:25] members are in attendance and which
[2:27] council members are electronic?
[2:30] >> Yep. I'd be happy to do that. So in
[2:32] attendance we currently have council
[2:34] member John's, Council Member Rhoden,
[2:36] and Council Member Lunt. Um myself, the
[2:39] mayor. Um we online we have Council
[2:42] Member Hutchkins. Um, and I believe
[2:45] Council Member Malovich will be joining
[2:46] us shortly, though currently is not in
[2:48] attendance.
[2:55] Should we leave this open for a certain
[2:57] amount of time or proceed to the next uh
[2:59] item? Wonderful. Okay. Then we will
[3:02] close the public hearing for um the
[3:06] issuance of the bond for the sales and
[3:09] franchise tax revenue and then we will
[3:12] move on to our public hearing for the
[3:14] proposed 2026 2027 fiscal year budget.
[3:18] Is there anybody from the public that
[3:21] would like to comment on the proposed
[3:23] budget that we discussed last council
[3:25] meeting?
[3:30] Okay,
[3:32] with no comments, we will close the
[3:34] public hearings
[3:36] and we will move into our work session
[3:38] where we were going to discuss the
[3:40] proposed 2026 2027
[3:43] uh fiscal year budget.
[3:46] So, this has not changed um since our
[3:49] last meeting. Um you guys would have
[3:51] received that. Hello, Carrie.
[3:53] >> Um is there any questions that any of
[3:55] you guys have?
[3:57] Uh, different than last council meeting.
[4:01] >> No,
[4:02] >> I didn't have any.
[4:05] >> Council member Hutchkins, anything?
[4:09] » Nope. Okay. I I wasn't in attendance, so
[4:12] I didn't see if anything was circulated,
[4:14] but uh
[4:17] we just we went through it. Um
[4:20] there was a few uh slight changes here
[4:24] and there. Um actually
[4:27] I am not complete. Yes. So we did
[4:30] actually make one change. If you look
[4:32] into the fiscal year 2027 budget that is
[4:35] proposed, we did add in the grant that
[4:38] we were just awarded um for the pickle
[4:40] ball court. Um we also added in the the match that we need to contribute and
[4:48] that has been added into this budget. So
[4:51] that is the only change that we did
[4:52] make. Sweet. Okay. Um, then we will move
[4:56] on to item number four, discussion of
[4:59] the proposed strategic plan.
[5:02] Um, I would like to make a few comments
[5:05] here. Um,
[5:08] and if you could take these back,
[5:11] Carrie, um, to the community development
[5:14] and especially with Daniel. Um there are
[5:18] a few things that I would love to
[5:20] discuss and I have a few questions that
[5:22] might actually help as well. So we
[5:24] received a bill today from um
[5:29] Sunrise on this project. It looks like
[5:33] we are
[5:35] um
[5:37] I need to see if I can read this. It's
[5:39] slightly cockeyed here. Um, the
[5:42] strategic plan is currently build at
[5:49] 30.
[5:50] No, that's built at 100%. Um, is there
[5:54] anything else that we will be receiving
[5:58] with the strategic plan?
[5:59] >> I don't think so.
[6:01] >> Okay. So, it's just that one pager in
[6:03] the matrix
[6:04] >> unless we change something that they
[6:06] need to change it, but I don't think so.
[6:10] >> Okay.
[6:12] Um also in going over the strategic
[6:16] plan,
[6:18] um
[6:21] I had proposed I I proposed that in the
[6:25] second paragraph of the document um we
[6:28] add this this text um or something like
[6:32] this. It says this document
[6:34] implementation this document's
[6:36] implementation is at the full discretion
[6:38] of the current legislative budget
[6:40] process and discretionary implementation
[6:42] of the executive.
[6:44] Um those are branches. Um because I
[6:48] don't want this to feel like it is
[6:52] binding the hands of the elected
[6:54] officials.
[6:55] >> Yeah. It it it's not supposed to be
[6:57] binding of the elected officials. It's
[6:59] supposed to be the um
[7:04] at the discretion of the council on what
[7:07] they what the council wants to do as far
[7:10] as the goals. This is the suggestions
[7:13] that are here and then if there's edits
[7:16] to be made, we can do that. Um but it's
[7:20] mostly to be looked at as short-term
[7:23] goals to be reviewed annually and then
[7:25] updated accordingly.
[7:27] >> Wonderful. Uh my other proposal would be
[7:30] right after what the strategic plan
[7:32] does. The strategic plan gives elected
[7:35] officials and city staff a clear picture
[7:37] of which projects move forward in what
[7:39] order and how limited resources will be
[7:43] allocated um specifically and I would
[7:46] just shift that to from will to may.
[7:50] >> Okay. Did you already write these up and
[7:52] send them to
[7:53] >> I have not disseminated this in any
[7:55] capacity. I wanted this is this is more
[7:59] you know this the council's document.
[8:02] >> Um and so I wanted to bring this to you
[8:04] guys as kind of more of an outsider on
[8:06] this process.
[8:07] >> Sounds good so far. I mean just it's
[8:10] this one pager just to make sure that
[8:12] it's um in align with what we want to
[8:14] do. Make sure that the general plan is a
[8:18] living document and to make us more
[8:21] accountable is what the strategic plan
[8:23] is about is to make sure that we are
[8:25] cognitive of what the general plan has
[8:28] in it and how we move it along through
[8:30] the years instead of just every so many
[8:33] years we get a new one and forget.
[8:37] >> Do you guys have anything?
[8:43] Can I ask what was the cost of the
[8:46] strategic plan or was it all built in to
[8:49] the cost of everything together?
[8:51] >> It was all built into the cost um
[8:53] together with the the original grant was for the general
[8:59] plan update and the strategic plan as a
[9:02] combination.
[9:03] >> So I can be build separately.
[9:07] >> Yeah. So, the strategic plan
[9:10] was build out at $9,5
[9:13] or $10,339
[9:17] and 5. Actually, I was incorrect. Now
[9:18] that I've got this in a little bit of a
[9:20] platform, it's 59%
[9:24] buildout at this point.
[9:25] >> Okay.
[9:26] >> So,
[9:27] >> that's in case we need any changes or or
[9:30] what what we needed. Um, and if you guys
[9:34] Well, then I don't think any of you were
[9:35] on the council at the time, but
[9:37] originally,
[9:39] um, another company had started, so we
[9:42] ended up paying them some money out of
[9:45] this grant that we didn't get any
[9:47] documents.
[9:48] >> Was brand new,
[9:49] >> and we didn't get any documents out of
[9:50] them. So, Sunrise was able to pick that
[9:53] this up after the RFP and finish both
[9:57] with with not the full amount of the
[9:59] grant.
[10:01] Yeah, that was right when we
[10:03] started.
[10:07] » Okay. Anything on this uh primary kind
[10:10] of cover document?
[10:14] » All right, then let's move over to
[10:16] >> Yes.
[10:16] >> Can I can I ask just kind of a point of order maybe? Um
[10:23] we're just looking at this right now. I
[10:26] mean, we we've got to adopt a general
[10:28] plan before we'd even consider uh this,
[10:32] right? I mean, this just seems it seems
[10:33] a little preemptive. I get we want to
[10:35] look at it early, but seems a little
[10:37] preemptive until we've we've actually
[10:40] voted on that general plan and said,
[10:42] "These are the the goals that we have.
[10:44] Here's our strategic or our short-term
[10:46] goals that should be going into this."
[10:48] Um, is that am I am I out in in the
[10:52] woods somewhere here?
[10:55] No, but does the does the document call
[10:58] for
[11:01] what I would consider implementation
[11:05] timelines on anything? My understanding
[11:08] it's a general statement of our general
[11:10] views in our current state and doesn't
[11:13] require us to say here's how we're going
[11:16] to go about executing the plan. It's
[11:17] just this is the plan. There's no
[11:19] execution requirement is my
[11:21] understanding. So that would be my only
[11:23] question for you, Brian, is do you feel
[11:25] like we need to have or it's it's
[11:28] incumbent upon us to actually have some
[11:31] sort of supplementary document, whether
[11:32] it be not a full document, but whether
[11:35] it's a prelude or whatever that says
[11:38] anything contrary or anything to that
[11:40] fact around implementation of the ideas.
[11:42] Well, let me let me clarify that just a
[11:44] little bit more too because so we
[11:46] decided to have this one pager that will
[11:49] go in with the general plan that's very
[11:52] vague and then as we adopt the um
[11:56] general plan um Daniel has already been
[11:59] working with the mayor and the staff on
[12:02] specific goals that can be implemented
[12:04] as they see fit and then that would be
[12:07] an internal document not a not a public
[12:11] document. ment because then they can we
[12:13] can then look and see what is the goal
[12:15] that we want to do once the general plan
[12:18] has been approved. This is just a one
[12:20] pager to put with it to show that
[12:22] they're companion documents even though
[12:24] they're they're completely separate
[12:26] documents if that makes sense.
[12:28] >> And so consensus as well. Are you
[12:31] looking for kind of a consensus document
[12:32] that like we've all formally raised our
[12:34] hands and adopted the document?
[12:38] I
[12:38] >> I don't know. I I'm trying to ask what
[12:40] is our what is the procedure here?
[12:41] Because I look at the matrix and the
[12:43] matrix has timelines. It's got people.
[12:45] It's got all that stuff in it. So, I'm
[12:48] kind of confused here.
[12:49] >> So, let me let me see if I can help here
[12:51] a little bit, Brian. So, you guys the
[12:53] council has gone through and looked at
[12:56] every single page thus far of the
[12:58] general plan, right? It's now been sent
[13:01] back to the planning commission for
[13:03] their public hearing and vote. Correct.
[13:06] You have a public hearing. Um and then
[13:09] it will come to the council and we will
[13:11] also vote on that and make it official.
[13:14] In that document at the end of every
[13:16] chapter were the goals, right? And this
[13:19] is what we kind of discussed last time
[13:21] as we went through each of those goals
[13:22] and we kind of word smith them, right?
[13:25] It was those goals that were pulled out
[13:28] and added to create this matrix.
[13:31] So hence we're able to kind of work this
[13:34] in tandem cuz I'm kind of wanting to get
[13:36] this whole thing through past the finish
[13:38] line um since it has been you know I
[13:42] guess four years to this point. Um and
[13:45] so I've given each of these different
[13:47] committees and organizations some
[13:49] deadlines for us to to complete this. So
[13:52] that's where these goals came from was
[13:54] from the general plan that we've gotten
[13:57] to answer your question of where did
[13:59] these goals come from? Why are we not
[14:01] passing the general plan first? And it's
[14:04] because we've kind of gone through that
[14:05] preliminarily. It got thrown into to the
[14:08] community development committee for them
[14:10] to be able to start this process in
[14:14] tandem while we have then be going
[14:16] through the approval process on our end
[14:19] >> and and I I understand that. I just I'm
[14:21] trying to find out what is our our
[14:23] process of order because um I mean I
[14:27] mean this is is
[14:31] uh kind of
[14:36] preliminary, right? Is that is that what
[14:38] I'm trying to I mean this this is not
[14:39] something that we're setting in stone at
[14:41] this point.
[14:42] >> We do not have a vote on this at all
[14:45] today.
[14:46] >> It will go to vote with the general
[14:48] plan.
[14:50] >> It's more
[14:51] >> the general plan.
[14:52] >> Correct. But but my understanding with
[14:55] the strategic plan is it's intended to run as as more of a nimble document in in unison with that general
[15:02] plan. Right. So
[15:03] >> we could be discussing topics of the
[15:06] strategic plan on a
[15:09] >> every council meeting basis. Yeah.
[15:12] >> Yeah.
[15:12] >> Um and saying hey these are the focal
[15:14] points of
[15:16] >> for now
[15:16] >> of the meeting. And so, yeah, it might
[15:18] be true today, but it might not be true
[15:20] in a month because we might have
[15:22] different priorities or intentions that
[15:24] align with the general plan, but need
[15:27] constant addressing.
[15:28] >> And and that's kind of what I'm I'm what
[15:31] I'm getting at as we as I look at this.
[15:34] It seems like we're biting off a whole
[15:37] lot. Um, and and I see all these within
[15:41] a year kind of things. And I don't and
[15:43] my personal opinion again I don't run
[15:45] the staff but my personal opinion is our
[15:47] staff doesn't have time to meet all of
[15:50] these goals that that are being assigned
[15:52] to them in this plan. Um I know I don't
[15:55] have enough time to to help with you
[15:58] know to take a chunk of what the the
[16:00] council is being assigned in this
[16:03] strategic plan. U it just it seems like
[16:07] it's
[16:08] uh pretty general, pretty open for uh
[16:14] how we're actually going to do it. I
[16:15] don't I don't I really there there's
[16:19] very little in a lot of these things
[16:21] that are are specific on on what we're
[16:25] supposed to do. I'm not a politician.
[16:26] I'm not a uh a person that's going to go
[16:29] out and and meet with with uh developers
[16:33] trying to figure out how we're going to
[16:35] build a little main street in in the
[16:37] bottom of Woodland Hills. Um I and and
[16:40] I'm I think it's it seems like it's
[16:43] pretty pretty damn big to to take these
[16:47] bites that are that are laid out here.
[16:49] Just seems a little huge to me. It was
[16:52] my understanding, Brian, that uh that um
[16:57] Daniel from Sunrise met with each of the
[17:00] staff members and the mayor and kind of
[17:02] they they incorporated what their goals
[17:04] that they were already going to be
[17:06] trying to do into um the general plan as
[17:10] it was written and tried to make sure
[17:12] that it was in um in a collaborative
[17:15] manner and that then the department
[17:18] heads would each look at those and
[17:20] prioritize themselves.
[17:22] And then
[17:23] >> in part in part
[17:24] >> I did meet with him. Yeah.
[17:26] >> We went through these actually the goals
[17:27] and the timings
[17:29] >> were stuff that I helped set for him
[17:31] because you know most of these even
[17:32] though they say immediate one year it's
[17:34] really ongoing that is
[17:36] >> uh it's update the payment management
[17:37] plan immediate one year. Well that's
[17:39] really something we do every year. Um
[17:41] but they didn't meet with Joey.
[17:42] >> Um I don't
[17:43] >> they didn't meet with Lori. They didn't
[17:45] meet with me.
[17:46] >> Okay.
[17:46] >> I think they only met with Ted
[17:48] >> and and not Wayne either. Okay. Well,
[17:52] maybe that's part of
[17:53] >> part maybe that's part of this then I
[17:55] knew that they want we didn't want to go
[17:57] the committee didn't want to go too far
[17:59] down the path and then have it be a
[18:02] total change if we just started and then
[18:05] maybe could tweak along the way kind of
[18:08] like what we did with general plan.
[18:10] >> And I think what Brian's articulating
[18:11] here is is my feelings as well. right as
[18:15] I went through the general plan and I
[18:17] made all of of your guys' recommended
[18:19] edits and and the planning commission's
[18:21] edits and
[18:23] >> I feel like that document is is fairly
[18:25] well done. Um I can't say the same and I
[18:30] appreciate the sacrifice that's gone on
[18:32] but I can't say the same in this
[18:34] document. This feels a little hack and
[18:37] slash to me. Maybe it's just because
[18:40] it's a different
[18:43] uh
[18:44] representation than I thought the
[18:46] strategic plan would take.
[18:48] >> Yeah.
[18:48] >> Um
[18:49] >> I think they didn't want to get it too
[18:51] concrete until they got the feedback.
[18:53] >> Okay.
[18:53] >> To say is I think maybe just based off
[18:57] of meeting with Ted then kind of would
[19:00] get a feel for it. I thought they were
[19:02] meeting with everyone but maybe they
[19:04] haven't got to that yet. And I would say
[19:06] that's a must. He needs to reach out to
[19:11] >> uh myself because, you know, I've got
[19:12] assignments on here and I'm just like,
[19:14] "Wow, okay. Didn't have that on my
[19:17] radar." And it might need to be,
[19:19] >> you know, or it might not be appropriate
[19:22] for me to run certain items here, right?
[19:25] Or, you know, I've got Jody right now in
[19:28] this document rolling out a new water
[19:30] communication plan, right? It's like,
[19:33] well, that I don't need Jod doing that.
[19:36] >> Yeah.
[19:36] >> You know, and that just doesn't
[19:38] necessarily make sense.
[19:40] >> Um,
[19:40] >> I'll I'll I'll uh reach back with them
[19:42] and uh make sure that they understand
[19:45] that we want it to be similar in process
[19:47] that we did the general plan.
[19:49] >> Maybe to give you a format of how he did
[19:50] the phone call so you understand about
[19:52] what he did, he told what's your three
[19:54] most immediate,
[19:56] >> what's your three intermediate goals and
[19:59] what's your three long-term goals? So I
[20:01] would talk to what what out of you plan
[20:03] kind of what my goals out of that were
[20:07] premed
[20:08] interview.
[20:11] Um so that's kind of the process you
[20:13] went through. Um I I agree. I think this
[20:16] is a good starting point. There needs a
[20:19] little bit of work. Uh the idea is to
[20:21] make this an implement implemented
[20:25] plan where the general plan is more of a
[20:28] guideline. this is something that we can
[20:31] um to help us move
[20:34] general plan ideas forward. So I think I
[20:36] think it's a good starting point. It
[20:37] probably just needs
[20:39] >> well and I want the I want the committee
[20:42] to understand that we really appreciate
[20:44] everything they're doing right. I don't
[20:46] want it to come across as this is
[20:48] garbage and redo it
[20:49] >> and we have them on the schedule to come
[20:51] and speak about this um in June. You had
[20:55] you you you texted me and said that they
[20:57] were coming I think it was the last
[20:59] meeting in June.
[21:00] >> Uh probably no
[21:03] >> that well I you and I have talked mayor
[21:06] we haven't talked but he gave because
[21:08] they cuz he had he had us he had us um
[21:11] me contact them and say what day can you
[21:13] come and present this to the council and
[21:16] it was in June not today. And so I was
[21:19] that's why I was a little confused we
[21:20] had it on the agenda today because we
[21:23] were told we couldn't have it on the
[21:24] agenda today.
[21:24] >> I probably put it I put it on the agenda
[21:26] today for us to be able to have this
[21:29] conversation so that hopefully that one
[21:31] will be
[21:31] >> but that's why they're not here cuz I
[21:33] was sitting there thinking yeah you told
[21:35] me that they couldn't come today cuz we
[21:36] were going to do budget and so they
[21:38] picked one of the days in
[21:40] >> well one of them couldn't make today.
[21:42] Yeah, one of them couldn't come today,
[21:44] but we did put them on the schedule for
[21:47] >> another council meeting.
[21:49] >> Yeah, we'll coordinate that.
[21:50] >> Okay.
[21:51] >> Um, any other questions
[21:53] here? Thoughts, concerns, procedural?
[21:57] >> So, that's why that's just why they're
[21:59] not here to answer their own questions
[22:01] because they didn't know they were going
[22:03] to be on the schedule. the June 23rd at
[22:06] 6 PM is when we confirmed them to be on
[22:09] the agenda to come and and present this.
[22:12] >> So, they may have been thinking between
[22:17] now and then doing the interviews.
[22:19] >> Let we'll coordinate that
[22:21] >> schedules.
[22:22] >> Yeah, let's figure that one out offline
[22:24] here.
[22:26] >> Um,
[22:26] >> so they may be planning to meet with
[22:29] everybody in between now and then just
[22:31] because that was the time schedule.
[22:35] Is there anything you guys have, your
[22:37] thoughts, your feelings, your concerns
[22:38] here with this document knowing that it
[22:41] has hopefully quite a bit of work still
[22:45] to be done?
[22:48] » Yeah, I think they would be surprised we
[22:50] were talking about it actually
[22:53] cuz they weren't prepared to.
[22:55] >> No, not a problem.
[22:57] >> Okay, then we will move to item number
[23:00] five, the discussion of the Utah
[23:01] Wildland. um
[23:05] memorandum of understanding between the
[23:07] Utah Division of Forestry, Fire and
[23:09] State Land and Woodland Hills.
[23:12] >> Ted,
[23:15] » I have a concern raised by a citizen.
[23:19] >> Yeah. So,
[23:21] and and maybe explanation of what this
[23:22] is, help alleviate that concern. So, we
[23:26] have a
[23:28] cooperating
[23:30] agreement with the Utah Division Forest
[23:32] Reference State Lands. That cooperating
[23:35] agreement is about outlining what
[23:37] >> could you try again?
[23:40] >> She always questions me.
[23:44] Um that cooperating agreement outlines
[23:47] the mitigation efforts that we have to
[23:50] put in with our community in order for
[23:53] the state to help us uh fiscally if
[23:57] there is a fire that they help us with
[23:59] in our city. Right? So in that
[24:01] cooperating agreement for example,
[24:03] basically the gist of it is
[24:06] we have to do like 6,000 well might be
[24:08] $8,000 worth of mitigation work every
[24:11] year in our city. the equivalent of
[24:13] $8,000,
[24:15] which we usually have no problem meeting
[24:16] with all the mitigation work we do.
[24:18] We're usually three or four times that
[24:20] by doing that $8,000 every year. By
[24:23] meeting that, I have to report on it
[24:24] every year. They agree on their end that
[24:27] they will if there's a fire that kicks
[24:29] up in our city um in within our
[24:32] municipal boundary, the state can be
[24:33] called in to help us and we will not
[24:36] have to pay the state for that, right?
[24:39] they'll they'll not hit us financially
[24:41] for helping us. Um, that's the
[24:43] agreement. What this is is a memorandum
[24:45] of understanding that goes with that
[24:47] agreement. This basically outlines our
[24:50] full-time wildland crew and how they're
[24:53] responding to our contracts with Utah
[24:55] Forestream Fire State Lands. So, this
[24:57] really doesn't have anything to do with
[24:58] our community mitigation. is what our
[25:01] responsibilities are as far as our
[25:02] wildland crew responding to national
[25:05] events under our contract we have uh
[25:08] with for fire state lands.
[25:11] And so it just outlines what we have to
[25:13] do by our the type of truck we have to
[25:15] have, the equipment has to carry, the
[25:17] things we have to have on the truck, the
[25:18] crew we have to have, the crews
[25:20] qualifications, and then it outlines
[25:22] what the what the u the state will do,
[25:24] how they'll reimburse us, what we can be
[25:26] reimbured for, and stuff like that is
[25:28] what thisou is for. So I know there was
[25:31] a question that came up about uh it says
[25:33] in the agreement
[25:36] uh after all we can do, I think was the
[25:38] comment one. I couldn't find that in
[25:40] there, so I'm not sure if they had the
[25:41] right one. Uh, I tried to call that
[25:43] resident, but I couldn't.
[25:44] >> Okay.
[25:45] >> So, you got the same email.
[25:47] >> Yeah, tried to call them to find out
[25:48] where they were seeing that, but it
[25:50] really doesn't have anything to do with
[25:51] what our community is doing. It's more
[25:52] to do with what our wildlife crew does
[25:54] to this.
[25:56] >> That was on my end.
[25:58] Ted and I talk a lot about all these
[26:00] agreements that we have in place, and I
[26:01] think I reflected the wrong one in our
[26:03] in my video this week. Oh,
[26:08] >> so
[26:10] that's what this one is.
[26:14] » Okay. Any questions for Ted on that one?
[26:18] >> Right.
[26:19] >> Can I ask a question?
[26:21] >> In here it says the term of thisou shall
[26:24] be five years. So are we committing then
[26:27] to a wildland fire program and crew for
[26:29] five years?
[26:31] >> No. If we cancel our program, then the
[26:33] contract just basically becomes invalid.
[26:36] But but in five years, we have to renew
[26:38] it if our program still.
[26:40] >> So I just have a question. Since we all
[26:42] received the same email from our
[26:44] concerned citizens, have then do you
[26:46] feel like if you do you did you were you
[26:49] able to talk with them or not yet? Okay.
[26:51] But but you will clarify with them
[26:53] eventually on all of these concerns that
[26:56] they they gave us.
[26:57] >> Yeah. There's really Yeah.
[27:02] Wonderful.
[27:02] >> And there's really nothing I mean the
[27:04] term all we can do even if it's in the
[27:06] agreement basically
[27:08] what what we're agreeing to is we'll do
[27:10] a certain as far as the actual
[27:11] cooperative agreement not thisou we'll
[27:13] do a certain dollar value worth of
[27:15] mitigation in our city and then they
[27:16] will
[27:18] >> they will not bill us if they have to
[27:20] come to our city to help fight the fire
[27:22] >> and we way exceed that dollar.
[27:25] >> Yeah. Yeah. It just went up this year.
[27:26] It's a formula they use based on
[27:28] historic fires, amount of damage, all
[27:29] that kind of stuff. And our dollar value
[27:31] is like eight I want to say it's around
[27:33] 8,000. I didn't look it up exactly. And
[27:36] like last year we did roughly $50,000.
[27:39] Uh and that was just with our crew that
[27:42] wasn't residents. So with the residents,
[27:44] we probably exceed that. So it's uh for
[27:48] example, the Utah County has the same
[27:49] agreement. They got to do about $600,000
[27:52] worth of mitigation.
[27:54] >> And does ours help with our city to do
[27:57] chipping.
[27:58] >> When they're doing chipping our city, it
[27:59] goes towards their match for their
[28:01] operator.
[28:01] >> Yeah. Everybody just wants to make sure
[28:04] that uh that the cities who who
[28:07] potentially would have state assistance
[28:10] have, you know, skin in the game kind
[28:12] of, you know, that we are doing all that
[28:14] we can do in terms of um not not
[28:18] specifically that wordage, but that we
[28:21] really are working on doing it. And
[28:22] we're in our intent is to do what we can
[28:25] do
[28:27] >> 100%. Perfect. Any other questions here?
[28:31] >> Okay, Ted. Number six, discussion of the
[28:33] CPR uh contract for the A uh pickle ball
[28:37] grant.
[28:39] >> Uh so you've got the contract. Uh we
[28:42] just need to sign it. The
[28:44] uh we were obviously awarded the grant
[28:47] money. Um just the dollar values on this
[28:52] uh when the grant got submitted
[28:55] um the
[28:57] state is granting us 803,000ish.
[29:05] No
[29:11] 83,177.50.
[29:14] >> Yeah. Yeah. 83,000. And so we have to
[29:18] it's a 50% match. So we have to match
[29:19] that 50%. Now we do have inind in that.
[29:22] So we've got some residents are going to
[29:24] provide some incind. Um we didn't have a
[29:26] lot of inind. It was mostly because a
[29:29] lot of this is specialized. So we had
[29:30] excavation work which is a tune of about
[29:32] $9,000 in kind. So we're on the hook for
[29:35] 70 somehat thousand uh for our match.
[29:37] However, uh said we went through the
[29:40] budget today and um through budget
[29:43] savings this year and primarily in snow
[29:45] plowing, uh we have that budget money
[29:47] available uh to meet that match.
[29:50] So, I think we should be good on our end
[29:53] to be able to meet the match dollars
[29:55] through savings we have this year. Um
[29:58] and then with our inind.
[30:00] >> So, do you is there any need for uh PTR
[30:03] to sell bricks with and raise money
[30:06] >> if they want to? That'd be great because
[30:07] a couple of things that weren't included
[30:09] in the in the grant. And a few things we
[30:11] thought of was like it'd be kind of nice
[30:13] maybe to have a bench or two there. So
[30:14] if they want to find some donors, we can
[30:16] put some benches in so you can sit down
[30:17] and watch uh next to the court. Um maybe
[30:21] a little we put a little concrete with a
[30:22] couple benches there or something like
[30:23] that. So or maybe we can put benches and
[30:25] put a little brick thing inlay there
[30:27] with some names on it of donors and
[30:28] stuff like that. Um, so it' be nice to
[30:31] have I mean it's close enough to the
[30:32] pavilion that people could sit in the
[30:33] pavilion as well, but it might be nice
[30:35] to just have a couple benches for next
[30:37] up or whatever. So if they, you know, we
[30:40] can look for a few things like that that
[30:41] were part of the grant.
[30:46] » I want my name on a brick. Maybe we
[30:48] could do a path between the pavilion and
[30:50] the was that part of the path.
[30:52] >> We did have a path included
[30:55] um
[30:58] >> because we had the path the ADA path is
[31:00] included, right?
[31:00] >> Yeah. So, we've got an ADA path uh that
[31:04] from the kind of parking area over to
[31:06] the pickle ball court.
[31:08] >> Yay.
[31:09] >> Um one thing we talked about is if we
[31:11] have some savings or some extra funding
[31:13] with our road project, maybe we pave
[31:15] that parking area. That would be
[31:17] beautiful.
[31:18] >> That' be nice.
[31:19] >> Is there a rendering of where it is,
[31:21] where it's going to be, what's included?
[31:24] >> I do have a uh we'll call it a site
[31:27] plan.
[31:27] >> Okay.
[31:28] >> Of it.
[31:29] >> Does it include Well, I'm just wondering
[31:30] if if that cost if it's just the
[31:34] So, we've got the concrete pad
[31:36] >> and I'm I'm not sure if we're going to
[31:38] do the specialized coating.
[31:40] >> We are.
[31:42] >> And everything around it as well. The
[31:44] cost included the engineers to design
[31:46] it. Um,
[31:49] uh, the contractor for compacted road
[31:51] base, post tension concrete slab,
[31:54] acrylic surface, pickle ball sleeves,
[31:56] nets, poles, fencing and lighting, a
[31:58] paved ADA path, and basketball
[31:59] standards.
[32:00] >> Are we doing lighting?
[32:03] >> We got it in there if we want it.
[32:06] >> There was some thought to do some
[32:08] lighting on timers, so they'd have to go
[32:10] off at a certain hour.
[32:12] >> Yeah. I just um I know that originally
[32:16] when we first started talking about
[32:17] this, some of the people that live right
[32:20] around there, of course, it's kind of
[32:21] more central in the park, but some of
[32:24] the neighbors were concerned about
[32:25] lighting at night. And so, we had
[32:27] promised at the time that we wouldn't do
[32:28] lighting, but it was also slightly
[32:31] different location, so maybe that
[32:32] matters.
[32:33] >> Yeah.
[32:34] >> Well, and I think now if we have another
[32:35] year like we did this past winter,
[32:38] >> we'd use it a lot.
[32:39] >> They might actually use them.
[32:40] >> Yeah.
[32:41] >> Right. versus we're used to having six
[32:43] feet of snow in the park
[32:46] >> most of the dark evenings.
[32:49] Now we could have played all winter.
[32:51] >> Well, even if it's snowed, I guarantee
[32:53] you people will bring a shovel and clear
[32:54] off the court.
[32:58] >> I think it's more of the the lighting
[33:00] would be okay. It's the what time do we
[33:02] end? Like, you know, oh, park closes at
[33:05] 10:00 p.m. Lights are out.
[33:06] >> Yeah.
[33:07] >> Kind of thing. Because And you're you're
[33:09] right. in the winter dark at 4:30 or 5
[33:12] where in the summer it's still light
[33:13] till 9 or 10. So um not based more on um
[33:19] the condition but the time of day
[33:21] >> 100%.
[33:22] >> We and maybe this is for a different
[33:24] time. We talked about control of who
[33:28] gets in there or we just going to leave
[33:30] it open anybody who shows up regardless.
[33:31] >> Well I think because it's state funded
[33:34] we have to leave it open. Anybody in the
[33:37] state technically is a taxed,
[33:39] >> but every city has them. They're not
[33:41] going to drive up to Woodland Hills to
[33:42] use ours because Are you thinking more
[33:45] of that that one person doesn't just use
[33:48] them constantly to where it doesn't
[33:50] other people don't get a chance?
[33:51] >> Just didn't know how much
[33:56] I limitation we want to put on who
[33:59] >> if it's going to cause an issue.
[34:00] >> Yeah,
[34:01] >> it's okay. So part of the grant when we
[34:03] got this, part of what you have to show
[34:05] to get this grant money is that there's
[34:06] some sort of regional benefits. So that
[34:09] was one of the points that we made is it
[34:11] will help draw people to our beautiful
[34:13] community and maybe we can start
[34:15] sponsoring tournaments or something like
[34:17] that.
[34:18] >> Well, we know who to
[34:20] >> We have a couple of the
[34:24] familiar with our
[34:25] >> We'll put Steve in charge of it.
[34:27] Also,
[34:29] >> well, you could start having a pickle
[34:30] ball contest at
[34:32] >> shutition at Woodland Hill State.
[34:34] >> Yeah.
[34:35] >> So, what's the timeline?
[34:38] >> Uh, so we have 28 months to spend the
[34:40] money, I think, is what the agreement
[34:42] said. So, once it's signed, once it's
[34:44] signed, we can start anytime on the
[34:45] engineering design.
[34:46] >> Get her done.
[34:47] >> That's our plan is to see how quickly we
[34:50] can't get it done.
[34:51] >> We have the funding for it, so we get
[34:53] going on it right away.
[34:54] >> Okay. You just can't spend any money
[34:56] until the contract signed.
[34:59] >> Wonderful. Any other questions?
[35:03] >> Okay, Ted.
[35:04] >> Discussion phase three of the water.
[35:07] >> All right. This one I need power. I need
[35:08] to share my screen.
[35:14] » Do you want me to do something up here,
[35:15] Jody?
[35:16] >> No, he just needs to log into the Zoom
[35:18] call.
[35:25] Nobody was here.
[35:28] >> And while he's going, just if for those
[35:30] of you that don't know, which I believe
[35:32] everybody in this room does, uh last
[35:35] week we had um
[35:38] a lot of fun uh dealing with some water
[35:42] lines on Maple Drive. Uh we had
[35:45] >> about that.
[35:46] >> We did. So, we have were able to fix
[35:51] that issue. Um, we also lost two PRVs
[35:55] that we had to rebuild. So, it's in this
[35:58] older section. It is where we are
[36:00] striving hard to be able to hopefully
[36:03] figure out what we need to do to to fix
[36:05] this going forward. So,
[36:08] that's kind of what prompted putting
[36:09] this on the agenda for you guys to be
[36:11] aware of where we're at with this
[36:14] waterline infrastructure and possibly
[36:17] how quickly we may need to move on this
[36:19] >> and that would be considered phase four
[36:22] though, right? The
[36:23] >> this is phase three,
[36:24] >> but Maple because it's the water line
[36:27] and the road.
[36:28] >> No, so phase three of the pavement
[36:32] management.
[36:32] >> Oh, okay.
[36:33] >> This is phase this is phase three. gist
[36:36] of the WA water phase project.
[36:38] >> And I thought we were holding off on
[36:40] that till we were doing both at the same
[36:41] time for
[36:43] >> Yeah. So the these roads aren't part of
[36:45] the pavement management plan at all.
[36:47] >> They're set aside waiting for the
[36:50] waterline project that tackle those
[36:52] roads and water lines.
[36:53] >> Okay.
[36:54] >> All right. So for this one, I'm just
[36:56] going to go through give you a little
[36:57] bit of
[36:59] 4hour discussion on this. Um so buckle
[37:03] up. Are you sending us these slides?
[37:06] >> Yeah,
[37:06] >> that would be nice if you could.
[37:08] >> Um, so as mayor mentioned, last week we
[37:12] had a waterline break. The way this
[37:14] started, this waterline break, is we got
[37:16] a call from a resident right down here
[37:19] that said they were experiencing some
[37:20] high pressures.
[37:22] So, usually when we get residents
[37:24] experiencing high pressures, one of two
[37:26] things. either their home PRB has went
[37:28] out if they have one which is most
[37:30] common because their home PRVS our city
[37:33] pressures fluctuate and the home PRBs
[37:36] are to stabilize cut that pressure from
[37:37] the city and stabilize it for your home
[37:39] appliances, right? So because our
[37:42] pressures our pressures go up and down.
[37:43] So usually it's their home PRBs that
[37:44] went out. Uh, so Toby went down and he
[37:47] put the pressure gauge on this guy's uh
[37:51] um
[37:53] >> process hydrant
[37:56] and um it was reading really high. So we
[38:00] knew okay our water line is higher than
[38:02] it should be because this is our
[38:04] pressure reducing valve right here in
[38:06] our system and being only the second
[38:08] house downstream. He should have been
[38:10] much lower than what we were reading on.
[38:12] So, we knew we had a probably an issue
[38:14] with our PRV.
[38:17] So, we jumped in this vault here uh to
[38:19] check out see where our pressures were.
[38:21] Um it had no gauges.
[38:26] It was almost done. It was about
[38:27] twothirds of the way finished. So, Toby
[38:31] and I got in and we got some gauges,
[38:33] went down back in there, uh threw on
[38:35] some gauges, got some really good
[38:37] showers while we were doing it. Um, and
[38:40] the gauges read high. So, we knew we had
[38:43] an issue with those valves. So, we
[38:44] started trying to turn the valves down
[38:46] and they wouldn't adjust, which tells us
[38:48] the valves had gone bad. So, there is
[38:51] actually a manufacturer who has a
[38:54] service rep that will come up and
[38:55] service these valves for you. So, we
[38:56] called him. He came up the next morning.
[38:59] Uh, oh, sorry. Let me jump back. While
[39:01] we were getting showered in this vault
[39:03] here, uh, replacing
[39:06] those air gauges, the water line blew up
[39:08] right here.
[39:10] And there was a series mayor come out
[39:12] and said, uh, resident down here was
[39:15] called and they said they got a lot of
[39:16] water running down the road.
[39:18] >> So, we popped over here, looked at it,
[39:19] and sure enough, there was a water lot
[39:20] of water running down the road. Um, so
[39:22] we went down, we shut down the water
[39:25] system here. Um, so we didn't get a
[39:27] chance to get back and kind of finish
[39:28] what we were doing here. got a
[39:31] contractor and started going on digging
[39:32] up this water line. Called the rep. He
[39:35] came up the next morning. So, we were
[39:37] kind of working on these this vault
[39:39] simultaneously working on this water
[39:40] line break. This right here is the pipe
[39:44] that that broke. Now, we'll come back to
[39:46] that in just a minute after I tell the
[39:48] story. So, um got these valves fixed and
[39:52] found out we still had high pressure.
[39:55] So, there are three PRV vaults that feed
[39:59] this zone,
[40:01] this pressure zone. So, we popped in
[40:03] this one and it looked like it was
[40:05] breeding bad. Went and jumped in this
[40:07] one. It was doing fine. Came back to
[40:10] this one and found out we had a bad
[40:11] valve in this one as well. And so, we
[40:14] ended up getting that valve rebuilt. So,
[40:16] we rebuilt there's two valves in this
[40:17] one, one in this one. We rebuilt three
[40:19] valves and then we got our pressure
[40:20] stabilized back to where they should be.
[40:24] Uh now Wednesday night uh we called a
[40:26] contractor. This went about five five
[40:28] o'clock when this blew somewhere around
[40:30] there. So we got a hold of a contractor,
[40:33] one of our on call contractors come up.
[40:34] We dug this up and uh found the leak
[40:38] that night. Had it had it repaired by
[40:40] about midnight that night. Got it all
[40:41] repaired. Got water back to people. We
[40:43] left the hole open. Oh,
[40:48] we left the hole open so we could check
[40:51] it the next morning. went out that. So,
[40:53] we put a repair sleeve around this. This
[40:55] was the hole that was in there. Now, one
[40:57] thing to note about this hole, you see
[40:58] how this is kind of this the scaration
[41:01] around it.
[41:03] >> That is the iron been eaten away. This
[41:05] is a duct iron pipe that's missing iron
[41:08] because it's been eaten away by
[41:09] corrosion.
[41:10] So, these pipes are corroding or not
[41:13] great shape. They're 50 plus years old.
[41:16] They're 6 in water lines. Now, minimum
[41:19] requires 8 in. Um, when you're looking
[41:22] at this type of pipe, ductal iron, the
[41:24] assumed life of this is 50 years old.
[41:26] That's in pretty good conditions. Uh,
[41:29] this pipe when it was installed back in
[41:30] the 70s, they put no pipe bedding around
[41:32] it. So, we were digging out rocks this
[41:33] big from around the pipe, which is also
[41:35] problematic around pipes.
[41:37] >> Pipes will actually vibrate in the
[41:38] ground if they're sitting on a big rock
[41:39] that's a point load on it, and it'll
[41:41] just wear a hole. We had that happen
[41:43] twice up here this last few months.
[41:46] Um, so there were several issues when
[41:49] but anyway, we got this repaired, went
[41:51] out the next morning. We left it open so
[41:53] we could see make sure the repair was
[41:55] going to hold. Went out the next morning
[41:56] just above where we repair the pipe had
[41:58] cracked overnight.
[42:00] >> So
[42:02] story is the pipe's in really bad shape
[42:05] and we knew that, you know, 15 years
[42:06] old.
[42:08] >> Last time we did the waterline project,
[42:09] this was the same issues we were having
[42:11] and we had like five of these in two
[42:12] weeks. Um, so this is on borrowed time,
[42:17] not great shape.
[42:20] So we have been planning projects to
[42:22] replace these. Um, it's kind of hard to
[42:26] see in here.
[42:29] This is uh all our pipes right here
[42:34] that are where we still have all those
[42:36] old 50-year-old 6-in water lines. So
[42:39] basically Maple, East Valley View, Lake
[42:41] View, Highline, Sky, uh Sky Lake,
[42:43] Highline, Highline, Mountain Bell,
[42:46] Schoolhouse, and then we have a couple
[42:49] over here that still have a little bit
[42:50] in them, a little bit of settlement, and
[42:52] Homestead.
[42:54] These are all the ones where we still
[42:55] have all those old pipes. Now, in
[42:57] addition to the old pipes, we have old
[42:58] PRVs. That was the one that fell.
[43:01] Actually ended up finally, we found out
[43:02] was an old PRV, which ironically was
[43:05] missing some parts. We still can't
[43:07] figure out why
[43:08] >> um because it had never been
[43:12] » anyway. Um
[43:16] fire hydrants are old. When we when we
[43:18] opened a fire hydrant to um
[43:21] bleed out the air when we put water back
[43:23] in the water line, uh fire hydrant would
[43:25] shut back off. The nuts on it were so
[43:28] gone. It was just popping water out the
[43:30] top. So, we actually had to shut that
[43:31] fire hydrant off and it's taped now
[43:33] because the fire hydrant is no good.
[43:35] So these are all the areas where we have
[43:37] these bad water lines. Now
[43:39] >> it's a lot.
[43:40] >> What's that?
[43:41] >> That's a lot.
[43:42] >> It's a lot. It's
[43:43] >> This is the original part of the city.
[43:45] So that's why they're the pipes there
[43:47] are the are the oldest because that's
[43:49] the original city.
[43:50] >> I know. But I was hoping that we had
[43:52] more of it done than I mean we've done a
[43:54] lot. I get it.
[43:55] >> So we did about three and a half to four
[43:56] miles four years ago. Five years ago we
[43:59] did that project. This is about another
[44:01] three and a half to four miles of water
[44:03] lines.
[44:05] So, uh, I want to talk through it's
[44:08] about 3.6 miles and I'm going to say 3.6
[44:13] to four. Uh, these are kind of estimated
[44:15] numbers, not based on survey data, just
[44:18] based on
[44:19] Google GIS data. Um,
[44:22] >> and that's all of those those um streets
[44:26] there because they're not all named in
[44:28] your subsequent paragraphs there. So, I
[44:30] was just wondering, is it still covering
[44:33] everywhere from Maple to Skylake?
[44:38] » Yes.
[44:38] >> Okay.
[44:39] >> The project is
[44:39] >> Yeah, the project because it just said
[44:41] total replacement.
[44:43] >> Yeah.
[44:43] >> So, I just making sure the 3.6 included
[44:45] all of the streets.
[44:48] >> Well, we'll talk about that here in a
[44:49] minute. That specific paragraph doesn't,
[44:52] but it's talking about something else.
[44:53] >> Okay. Um, so the total project cost is
[44:57] roughly six to $6.5 million to replace
[44:59] all these.
[45:01] Um, that's including replacing all the
[45:04] roads with them. So like we did on the
[45:06] last project, pulverize and repave all
[45:08] the roads. So they have new roads as
[45:09] well. If we took the roads out, it'd be
[45:11] roughly about $5 million to replace
[45:14] these. Now that includes a 15%
[45:16] contingency that we throw in there at a
[45:18] planning level. Um so we applied for uh
[45:24] community project funding through
[45:25] Burgess Owen's office.
[45:28] Um the the we put in three different
[45:31] requests. Well, we started with one.
[45:33] They came back and asked us to give them
[45:35] two more. So we did. We submitted a
[45:38] request for $2.4 million to Burgess's
[45:41] office. Um well, we started out at
[45:44] almost five because you can go up to
[45:46] five. They said, "You're not going to
[45:48] get five. We don't we don't really do
[45:50] that. Most of our projects are million
[45:52] to billion and a half." So we said, but
[45:54] they said, "We know this is very
[45:56] important for you guys, so go ahead and
[45:57] put in there a little bit bigger
[45:58] request." So we put in a $2.4 million
[46:00] request with a $750,000 city match. Um,
[46:05] and that would do Maple, Valley View,
[46:09] Lake View, and Mountain Veil.
[46:12] at 3.15 million when you add those two
[46:15] up would do those streets.
[46:18] The middle funding request we did
[46:20] because he said well put in there you
[46:21] know a million million and a half. So we
[46:23] did a million and a half request with a
[46:26] 750k which would basically do maple and mountain bell and then we put
[46:31] in a low funding request of a million
[46:32] with a 500 uh 500,000 match from the
[46:35] city which would basically just do
[46:36] maple. I think we're going to end up
[46:39] right around here is what we'll actually
[46:40] get for funding. Now, we ranked number
[46:42] four out of 20 on their project list.
[46:45] The response back from uh the person I
[46:48] was working with, the aid of purchase
[46:49] owners office, was that uh you guys are high enough on the ranking, you'll
[46:54] probably get something, but they just
[46:56] don't know what yet.
[46:58] >> Does this 1.5 and 2.4 plus the other is
[47:02] that with road replacement as well?
[47:04] >> Yes. Yeah. All with road replacement.
[47:06] Yeah.
[47:08] Um, so now you get an idea of kind of
[47:10] what we've put in for funding, what the
[47:11] total project scale and costs are. So
[47:14] then I started doing some
[47:16] putting together some information about
[47:18] some possible funding scenarios, just
[47:20] things to noodle over as we think about
[47:21] this. I think what's going to be uh
[47:23] we'll we'll talk about here in just a
[47:25] minute. So when you look at funding
[47:27] through the state division of drinking
[47:28] water, which is probably the most
[47:30] popular funding agency in the state,
[47:31] you've also got rural water and CIB. uh
[47:35] I don't think we'd qualify or or do real
[47:37] well at CIB. Rural water uh is is a good
[47:40] funding organization as well. You
[47:41] typically don't get as good a terms with
[47:43] them as you do the state division
[47:44] drinking water. Um so most of them go
[47:47] through the state division drinking
[47:48] water. They have criteria they set to
[47:50] determine um how you get loans and
[47:53] grants. So they look at your affordable
[47:55] water bill is what they call it and they
[47:57] assume affordable water bill for a
[47:59] community is 1.75% of your median
[48:02] adjusted gross income.
[48:04] The median adjusted gross income for
[48:06] Woodland Hills right now is $91,000.
[48:10] So if you take 1.75% of that, then you
[48:13] got to do divided by 12 to put it into a
[48:15] monthly bill. That's $132 is what the
[48:18] state says we can afford based on our
[48:19] income in our community a month for a
[48:21] water bill. Right now uh based on 2025
[48:26] water usage data, our average water bill
[48:28] is around $127.
[48:30] Now, what they use that for is they say
[48:32] anything once you get above if you have
[48:34] to take up funding that puts your
[48:36] affordable water bill above what we
[48:38] think it should be, then you start
[48:40] qualifying for grant and no interest
[48:42] loans. And that's what we got last time.
[48:45] There's no guarantee on those and what
[48:46] you get. So, you can see we're really
[48:49] pushing that limit right now to get be
[48:52] eligible for grant money
[48:55] and low interest loans. And it all
[48:57] depends on how much the state has. So
[48:59] potentially if we went for a loan from
[49:02] the state beyond $1 million, we would
[49:04] start looking at probably getting some
[49:06] grant dollars. But what that looks like,
[49:08] I don't know.
[49:10] >> Um,
[49:10] >> and a prerequisite is we'd have to
[49:12] increase the water.
[49:13] >> We'd have to increase our water rate to
[49:15] at least $132 average water bill. So by
[49:18] five bucks a month, that would get us
[49:21] about a million dollars,
[49:24] >> which doesn't go very far in our
[49:26] projects. And as you can see back in our
[49:27] projects that basically gets maple.
[49:29] >> Yeah. Gets m one one one road done and
[49:31] but that's that increases for the entire
[49:34] city.
[49:35] >> So the typical loan rate uh at drinking
[49:38] water just information is usually 2 to
[49:39] 4% in their terms three years. So then I
[49:42] looked at a few different scenarios
[49:43] based on what we got from what we've
[49:45] requested from Burgess's office. So if
[49:47] we went through for that package with
[49:49] the total fund of 3.15 million which was
[49:51] the 2.4 work from their office plus the
[49:54] 75 we would contribute. Um the balance
[49:58] to be funded of the total project is
[49:59] three and a half million. We would have
[50:01] to raise our water bill to about $148.
[50:05] So it' go up by about 20 bucks a month.
[50:07] Um now that could vary a bit depending
[50:10] on how much grant we would get or low
[50:13] interest loan. This all assumed a 3%
[50:16] interest
[50:17] on a loan 30-year loan. the middle
[50:20] funding scenario, then we're we're
[50:22] looking at needing about 4.37 million uh
[50:25] as far as loan money goes from the
[50:27] state, which we'd have to raise our
[50:28] water bill 160. And then if we did got
[50:31] the lowest
[50:33] amount from Owen's office, then we're
[50:35] looking at we'd need probably still $5
[50:36] million and we'd have a water we'd have
[50:38] to raise our water bill somewhere 165.
[50:41] Now, those are assuming we got no grant
[50:42] money or 0% interest, which we likely
[50:45] would. But the state, until you go to
[50:48] the state, they just
[50:50] it all depends on how much money they
[50:52] have. They have two different funds.
[50:53] They have state funds and federal funds.
[50:55] Uh state funds are usually don't they
[50:57] don't have a lot of and that's where
[50:58] their grant money comes from. Federal
[50:59] funds is usually where all their money
[51:01] where they house most all their money
[51:03] and that's all loan money.
[51:07] So, I just wanted to run that by you
[51:09] guys. start thinking about that. Um,
[51:13] this is really what it would take to be
[51:14] able to do these projects.
[51:18] Now, caveat this by saying all of this
[51:22] funding comes from uh our water is an
[51:25] enterprise fund as you guys know. So,
[51:28] all of this money comes from water rates
[51:31] is how we have to pay for these
[51:32] projects. We can't come from the general
[51:34] fund. So, property taxes aren't used for
[51:37] this. um looking at trying to find
[51:40] places in the general fund budget to cut
[51:43] wouldn't would work for this project
[51:45] because it has to come from our water.
[51:47] >> Yeah. Because I'm in my head thinking
[51:49] hearing people complain that we're going
[51:51] to spend money on pickle ball courts
[51:52] when we have
[51:53] >> Yeah. two water lines.
[51:54] >> Two separate things. The the the
[51:57] pickleball course general fund. This is
[51:58] water. The only thing we really have in
[52:00] water is our operations and maintenance.
[52:02] And we do have a portion of a couple of
[52:06] ours uh salaries and that's really all
[52:08] we have in our water fund.
[52:09] >> That's just a portion of them. So even
[52:11] if we I mean there's really nothing in
[52:13] the water fund to cut
[52:14] >> and that is state statute that water has
[52:16] to pay for water. It's not a Woodland
[52:18] Hills decision to do this. That's
[52:20] because it's an enterprise fund and it's use based.
[52:24] >> I get it. I'm just getting ready for the
[52:27] comments. Cutting items from general
[52:29] fund wouldn't work for this. Slashing
[52:33] salaries, slashing road funds, slashing
[52:35] pickle ball courts, slashing park
[52:37] doesn't work for this. It has to come
[52:39] from the water.
[52:41] >> Okay.
[52:44] » Well, thank you Ted for that uh
[52:46] wonderful news.
[52:47] >> And if you can send us your slides, that
[52:49] would be great.
[52:50] >> Any questions for Ted? Um, as we as we
[52:53] go forward, um, obviously we can't fix
[52:57] the past, but as we go forward, are we
[52:59] keeping a useful life analysis and
[53:03] putting reserves in place and all that?
[53:05] So, you know, 45 years from now when
[53:08] we're
[53:10] replacing the the newest stuff we have,
[53:13] we aren't putting this burden on
[53:16] >> the other residents.
[53:19] Uh it's an interesting question. The
[53:23] answer is sort of.
[53:25] So uh when you
[53:27] >> ketchup we could save.
[53:29] >> Yeah. Yeah. Once again it has to be
[53:31] something saved in the water fund. And
[53:34] the way you acrew additional funds for
[53:37] the water fund is basically raise your
[53:39] rates. So it's always that fine balance
[53:42] of affordability for our residents
[53:43] versus what we want to do in the future.
[53:46] So we don't have to continue people ask
[53:49] for loans. Now you know loans aren't bad
[53:52] things. Uh I know we think of them
[53:54] personally like a loan is not a great
[53:56] thing but for cities it's actually not
[53:58] bad to use your money that way. Um you
[54:01] can leverage your money a lot farther by
[54:02] doing that. However the state does
[54:05] require us when we do go in for a loan
[54:07] or grant money. We have to show that we
[54:09] are setting aside money every year for
[54:13] future replacement. The way we do that
[54:15] is we either add a a value to our when
[54:19] we calculate our total costs, we have to
[54:22] add a value to that of 1.1 1.2 times
[54:25] what our cost is. So we're saving 10 20%
[54:27] more through our water rate adjustment
[54:31] or we do that. The way we do it more
[54:32] often is we de depreciate our water
[54:35] system. those depreciations are are
[54:38] dollars that translate into.
[54:42] So the answer is is we do
[54:45] um and that's where for example our
[54:49] match dollars for this loan money will
[54:51] come from um will be from that money
[54:54] that we've saved through depreciation of
[54:56] our system. Now um it's always a
[54:59] challenge because when you're talking 5
[55:00] million that takes a long time for a
[55:01] community like ours to solve. So likely
[55:03] you're going to have to go out and get
[55:04] some sort of financing, but the best way
[55:06] to do that is through having some match
[55:08] dollars through saving some money,
[55:10] >> grand low interest. Yeah.
[55:11] >> Yeah.
[55:12] >> So just let you know, this proposed 2026
[55:16] 2027 budget, that depreciation number
[55:19] that we're socking away for the the next
[55:21] future is $247,396.
[55:26] Um that is headed back into the account
[55:28] as a line item here. And we have to
[55:30] report that to drinking water when we go
[55:32] to law. Then we do depreciation system.
[55:35] So that's good. And there's also a
[55:37] balance because they um as as our city
[55:42] is run on taxpayer dollars, they don't
[55:43] want the state overall in statute
[55:46] doesn't want us to just be hoarding
[55:47] money because if you're keeping it
[55:50] stockpiled, but if you have it for a
[55:52] capital project or for enterprise fund
[55:55] like water, then you can justify that
[55:58] why you're keeping this money in a in a
[56:00] special space
[56:02] >> to use for future. You're not just
[56:03] hoarding it just in case. Yeah,
[56:05] >> I mean we can do up um most of the
[56:08] cities have 35% in a rainy day fund for
[56:11] emergencies although that the
[56:12] legislature is thinking of moving that
[56:14] back to 25%
[56:16] which I don't agree with because
[56:19] emergencies are cost more costly now
[56:21] than ever but um on the water funds but
[56:23] if you can show that it's a certain
[56:25] percentage of the bill and that it's
[56:27] going towards future replacement then
[56:30] they're more likely to understand and approve of your justific ification.
[56:36] >> Gotcha.
[56:37] >> So, just one final item on this. The
[56:38] Division of Drinking Water right now has
[56:40] a moratorum and we're testing funding.
[56:42] It will open up again July 1, and
[56:45] they're going to hit be hit with a lot
[56:46] of applications July 1.
[56:48] >> Um, if we're thinking about this, we may
[56:51] want to get our application in the
[56:52] queue. Um, the reason they put a
[56:55] six-month moratorum on funding
[56:57] applications was because they were
[56:58] trying to get a handle on their money
[56:59] when all that ARPA money was happening.
[57:01] they were getting so many applications
[57:02] and so many um funds going out and
[57:06] coming in that they couldn't keep track
[57:07] of it all. So they shut down so they can
[57:09] get a handle on everything.
[57:11] So we may want to get in the queue and
[57:14] get an application into them. And so we
[57:15] have to decide what we want to do as far
[57:18] as the type of application. Do we want
[57:21] to look at water rate increase
[57:23] or wait till we hear on Burgess Owens?
[57:27] >> Do we have a timeline at all on on
[57:29] Congressman Owens? um approval.
[57:32] >> No, Jody's looked up some stuff today.
[57:33] It looks like historically it's kind of
[57:35] been what was it? May, July, and
[57:38] >> like that. So,
[57:40] >> sometime between now and the end of the
[57:41] year.
[57:42] >> And I asked him, that's what they said,
[57:44] but I didn't know if they'd given you
[57:45] anything else. No,
[57:46] >> it looks like July isn't when they do a
[57:48] lot of big ones. But um
[57:52] the HUD housing is also part of that um
[57:57] community funding project and that was
[57:58] put on hold recently as well.
[58:01] >> So as they're getting these funding back
[58:03] up seems like they're starting to work.
[58:09] » One one more question that that's
[58:11] probably going to be a very unpopular
[58:13] question, but um
[58:15] >> we like those ones. Carry on,
[58:16] >> especially when they're coming from me.
[58:18] Um,
[58:20] so
[58:22] had the three bridges gone through
[58:25] Maple? Yeah, I know. Um, would that have
[58:29] been any benefit to the city in terms of
[58:32] use or impact or anything like that that
[58:34] could have, you know, and I'm asking a
[58:36] real question because it's important
[58:38] dialogue for all of us to understand as
[58:40] we're making decisions,
[58:43] right?
[58:45] is could there have I mean we can't
[58:47] rewrite the past but
[58:49] >> yeah I guess that depends on what you're
[58:51] talking about in uh certainly for the
[58:55] residents on maple probably not uh
[58:58] benefit um probably more of a hindrance
[59:01] there
[59:01] >> cars going for sure
[59:03] >> when you're talking about city
[59:04] infrastructure
[59:06] >> specifically um one of the requirements
[59:08] were would have been that road would
[59:11] have had to been redone but in order to
[59:13] redo the road we have to do the water
[59:14] line So I I don't know what we would
[59:16] have negotiated with them because we
[59:17] didn't get that far, but uh I I the the
[59:20] road wouldn't have met the standard. Uh
[59:22] so they would have had to minimum redid
[59:24] the road, but we wouldn't want to do
[59:25] that without doing the water line. So
[59:27] there could have been some shared cost
[59:28] or something there,
[59:30] >> which is the minimal part because the
[59:31] water line is the more expensive part.
[59:33] >> Yeah. No, and I only ask a question
[59:35] because I know it's a very unpopular
[59:36] thing, but it quite possibly could have
[59:39] been a strategic thing. So yeah.
[59:44] >> Okay. Thanks. Good to know.
[59:46] >> Of course.
[59:47] >> So Ted, you had you had uh put quite a
[59:50] bit of money into your PRV survey. Um is this something you need to go back to
[59:56] them? Because if you had two PRVs that
[59:58] were missing gauges and and things like
[1:00:01] that, is this something that you're
[1:00:02] concerned about? Is this something we
[1:00:04] need to look into more?
[1:00:07] >> Uh yes. and and actually so they did go
[1:00:11] through all the PRVs kind of and made a
[1:00:13] list of things that need to be fixed.
[1:00:15] We've been slowly working on those. We
[1:00:17] actually did have in the notes from that
[1:00:19] survey that there were no pressure
[1:00:20] gauges in that vault. Uh so that's
[1:00:22] something that identified. Uh we just
[1:00:24] hadn't gone to that vault. It's actually
[1:00:27] not as old as some of our others because
[1:00:29] it's in Woodland Hills Drive which was
[1:00:30] done about 2013 2014
[1:00:33] >> when that vault was put in. Uh so it's
[1:00:35] not as old as our ones over in Maple and
[1:00:37] that. Um, so it wasn't kind of a
[1:00:40] priority vault, but they had identified
[1:00:42] that it didn't have gauges in it.
[1:00:44] >> Okay. And they wouldn't have known
[1:00:45] missing parts, so that that that's
[1:00:47] reasonable. Yeah,
[1:00:48] >> that was very interesting. Those valves
[1:00:50] were dated 2013 and they had no springs
[1:00:52] in them.
[1:00:54] >> Those are optional.
[1:00:56] >> No,
[1:00:58] >> especially when you know those springs
[1:01:00] were replaced by those three rocks you
[1:01:01] pulled out.
[1:01:02] >> Yeah. Yeah. Well, there's a lot of rocks
[1:01:04] that came out of those things and
[1:01:05] >> Yeah, they were
[1:01:07] a good inch.
[1:01:08] >> It's been It's been a lot of fun. I
[1:01:10] mean, we get new and interesting
[1:01:12] challenges every day in the city. So,
[1:01:13] it's a it's it's it's a lot of fun
[1:01:15] working here. It keeps it lively.
[1:01:18] >> Well, I mean, it's it's super urgent now
[1:01:20] because when you start repairing lines,
[1:01:23] it surges pressure in other places that
[1:01:25] might have been fine otherwise for a
[1:01:28] little bit longer. Now, all of a sudden,
[1:01:29] it's going to start a chain reaction.
[1:01:32] >> And that's what we think happened here.
[1:01:33] It may have been that when that one
[1:01:35] vault on PRV on Valley View, that's the
[1:01:37] one ultimately we decided went out. Uh
[1:01:40] it it probably surged and popped that
[1:01:42] hole.
[1:01:43] >> Um and and we can I mean we get surges
[1:01:46] in our lines all the time, right? You
[1:01:47] close the fire too fast causes a surge
[1:01:49] and stuff like that. And that's why we
[1:01:50] always encourage homeowners, make sure
[1:01:52] you've got your PRVs
[1:01:55] current in your house because that's
[1:01:56] what protects their home.
[1:01:58] >> Yeah. And that's so hard for people to
[1:02:00] even understand that it's their
[1:02:02] responsibility and they don't ha
[1:02:05] especially if you're not the one who
[1:02:06] built the home and put it in originally.
[1:02:08] You might not know when it was last
[1:02:10] replaced.
[1:02:12] >> So I need to put that on our list of
[1:02:14] videos to do.
[1:02:15] >> Uhhuh.
[1:02:15] >> Could do. We've done a TED talk on it on
[1:02:18] the newsletter. We could do a video just
[1:02:20] Yeah. 10 years. If your if your PRV
[1:02:23] hasn't been replaced in 10 years, it's
[1:02:24] time to replace it. That's about the
[1:02:25] life of those PRVs. I think a video
[1:02:28] would be good. I know you we've done the
[1:02:29] TED talk, but a video would be good.
[1:02:33] >> Perfect. Okay. Any other questions on
[1:02:34] the waterline potential need?
[1:02:38] And one thing that I found fascinating
[1:02:40] because, you know, it was fun, I was
[1:02:41] able to Ted didn't kick me out of the
[1:02:43] project, so I was able to hang out. Um,
[1:02:46] but that impact zone you saw on top of
[1:02:49] the pipe, that was the rock. You could
[1:02:51] see that was the impact. That was the
[1:02:53] size of the rock that was sitting there.
[1:02:55] And as those pipes are working, they are
[1:02:58] vibrating just enough that that rock sat
[1:03:01] there and just vibrated the daylights
[1:03:03] out of it. And with the amount of rocks
[1:03:05] we pulled out of that that night, you
[1:03:08] could tell that this is the norm across
[1:03:11] that line. And we will have problems
[1:03:16] in the near future on that line.
[1:03:18] >> We now require a pipe bedding around all
[1:03:20] the pipes. And we have I mean they have
[1:03:22] to put a nice bedding around all the
[1:03:23] pipes so we don't get all the rocks and
[1:03:24] stuff like that.
[1:03:26] >> Um we've even had leaks in pipes that
[1:03:29] were put in in probably 2000.
[1:03:32] So a little more recent that you didn't
[1:03:35] have pipe heading either. Same thing
[1:03:36] rocks were a hole in them. And
[1:03:38] >> so
[1:03:40] >> yeah. So something to just think about
[1:03:43] as we think about the future. What are
[1:03:45] those financial needs that we have? This
[1:03:46] one I think is one of the highest.
[1:03:49] >> Okay. Um, Ted, are you joining us on
[1:03:54] this vacation portion or will that be
[1:03:56] you, Wayne?
[1:04:00] » Vacation of the road?
[1:04:02] >> T's probably more familiar with.
[1:04:04] >> Okay, then let's just skip there. I'm
[1:04:06] going to skip to number nine. Um, with
[1:04:08] Bucky on the line as well. We're going
[1:04:10] to discuss the request for Woodland Hill
[1:04:12] City to vacate a portion of a road.
[1:04:16] >> Yeah. So this is um a piece of road that
[1:04:19] probably should have brought the map. Um
[1:04:21] when what we call South Loafer was
[1:04:24] originally platted, it was platted to
[1:04:26] come all the way through and connect to
[1:04:27] Bear Hollow.
[1:04:29] Um when Summit Creek uh finished South
[1:04:33] Loper and it's a private road. Um
[1:04:35] initially was a public road, it went to
[1:04:37] private road. Um they then made a
[1:04:41] culde-sac out of it and didn't bring
[1:04:44] that last little piece through. It's
[1:04:47] 150ish ft
[1:04:49] um through to Bear Hollow.
[1:04:52] So, we now have this piece of city
[1:04:55] rideway property
[1:04:58] um that used to be South Loafer. It's
[1:05:01] about it's 56 ft wide. Um it's a road
[1:05:04] rideway. Uh I think it's 160ish
[1:05:07] feet long somewhere around there.
[1:05:09] >> It's like two2.
[1:05:11] >> Yeah. Um, it sits between two lots on
[1:05:14] Bear Hall.
[1:05:16] >> Um, we really have no use for that
[1:05:19] property,
[1:05:22] a city property. Uh, it's just surplus
[1:05:25] property to us that we wouldn't have any
[1:05:26] use for. Um, Bucky with Summer Creek has
[1:05:29] approached us and asked if we'd be
[1:05:31] interested in selling that property. Um,
[1:05:33] it it would be beneficial to them to
[1:05:36] access a couple of lots that they are
[1:05:38] included in their development.
[1:05:41] And so we uh got
[1:05:45] >> 2.4 million.
[1:05:47] >> Oh yeah.
[1:05:48] >> They're going to replace all the water
[1:05:49] lines for us.
[1:05:50] >> Oh, Becky doesn't have a smiley picture
[1:05:52] up.
[1:05:54] >> Silence is acceptance.
[1:05:56] >> I just died. I I'm not sure about that
[1:06:00] one.
[1:06:04] » Acceptance.
[1:06:07] So they have approached. it would it would be beneficial for them to
[1:06:11] access some of their properties. They
[1:06:12] approached us about purchasing it from
[1:06:14] us uh this right away. Um we did some
[1:06:19] back of the napkin numbers
[1:06:22] um and the way
[1:06:24] >> back napkin involved
[1:06:25] >> and and when you say back of the napkin
[1:06:26] that's not really did some research I
[1:06:29] guess is a better way to put it. Um
[1:06:31] because I I I I I've researched I' I've
[1:06:33] been involved in these transactions
[1:06:35] quite a bit for stuff like this over my
[1:06:37] consulting years and also did some
[1:06:39] research into UD do how they do this
[1:06:41] kind of stuff. Um really the value of
[1:06:44] the property um in the end is what
[1:06:46] someone's willing to pay for it. But the
[1:06:48] way you value this property is not like
[1:06:49] a typical lot. you kind of value what
[1:06:52] property might go around it and then you
[1:06:54] come up with kind of a square footage
[1:06:56] cost that then you apply to this and
[1:06:59] because it's unimproved lot and it's a
[1:07:01] rightaway
[1:07:03] um it its value can be anywhere from 20
[1:07:06] to 50% of the value of the property
[1:07:09] around it and so I think we came up with
[1:07:12] a value of that 20 to 30,000ish for this
[1:07:16] piece
[1:07:18] um of road right Okay. Um I think we
[1:07:23] kind of settled in the middle.
[1:07:26] Maybe that's 25,000
[1:07:29] um
[1:07:30] for this piece of property.
[1:07:34] If the city wants to anything over
[1:07:36] 20,000 has to come to council as a
[1:07:37] surplus. Um I don't see us having any
[1:07:40] use for that property in the future. Uh
[1:07:42] it's too small. We could not do anything
[1:07:44] with it. Um it's in a location we
[1:07:46] wouldn't we wouldn't have anything to do
[1:07:48] with. Um, so the question is, do we want
[1:07:50] to surplus it? Now, Wayne brought up a
[1:07:52] couple of points today that we got to
[1:07:53] think about. Uh, if this gets included
[1:07:56] as uh a parcel to one of those lots,
[1:07:58] does it create a flag lot? So, we got to
[1:08:01] think about that. And then, um, the
[1:08:04] frontage, Wayne, did you look at the
[1:08:05] frontage issue?
[1:08:07] >> Yes. 60 ft required.
[1:08:09] >> So, 60 ft and this is a 56 foot rideway.
[1:08:11] Um,
[1:08:12] >> I think this would just be access. I
[1:08:13] think the frontage would actually be on
[1:08:15] that street behind it.
[1:08:16] >> South Loafer. This is Yeah, this is an
[1:08:18] access. It's not really a lot. It's an
[1:08:19] access to the lots.
[1:08:21] >> Yeah.
[1:08:22] >> So, be a shared driveway. So, I don't
[1:08:24] think I don't think flag, correct me if
[1:08:27] I'm wrong here, but I don't think the
[1:08:28] flag lot's really an issue because that
[1:08:30] frontage they have that 100 footage of
[1:08:33] frontage.
[1:08:34] >> Yeah.
[1:08:34] >> That would be depending on how we're
[1:08:37] defining frontage. If their homes are
[1:08:39] facing that culde-sac instead of facing
[1:08:44] what is that? Bear hollow.
[1:08:45] >> Yeah. Um then it's just the access and
[1:08:49] their frontage is actually facing which
[1:08:52] they have more than 100 feet.
[1:08:54] >> Yeah. And that was kind of just a couple
[1:08:55] things I brought up to think about. Um
[1:08:57] and I don't know the plan, Bucky. I'm
[1:08:58] guessing they would f face south loafer
[1:09:00] because that's all the houses on that
[1:09:02] street do.
[1:09:03] >> This access would probably come in to
[1:09:04] the side of the house, I'm guessing, or
[1:09:06] something like that.
[1:09:06] >> Do you have any insight on that, Bucky?
[1:09:15] You're muted if you're trying to talk
[1:09:16] right now. Bucky,
[1:09:17] >> he had a prior commitment tonight and he
[1:09:19] was gonna kind of
[1:09:22] >> Sorry. Can you hear me? Okay.
[1:09:24] >> Yes, we can hear you.
[1:09:25] >> I I didn't realize I was muted.
[1:09:27] >> Um, yeah. So, the houses would face,
[1:09:32] you know, I'm not really I'm not really
[1:09:34] certain. And it's hard without a design,
[1:09:37] but I think they would face probably
[1:09:39] towards the the private road down below.
[1:09:44] Just
[1:09:44] >> a souther.
[1:09:46] >> Yeah, south loafer. Yeah, that's just a
[1:09:48] steep driveway. If we come off souther
[1:09:52] to get up to those houses, it's doable.
[1:09:55] It just with that little access there,
[1:09:59] it it makes it makes it easier to get to
[1:10:02] those lots and easier driveway for those
[1:10:05] lots. Um, but uh yeah, I mean I think I
[1:10:11] think the frontage I think the I think
[1:10:13] the houses would face towards South
[1:10:16] Loper. That was the question, right?
[1:10:19] >> Correct.
[1:10:20] >> So my question is so would it be a
[1:10:22] vacation of that lot or a sale? I mean
[1:10:25] of that property or as a road or would
[1:10:28] it be the sale of that property for a
[1:10:31] private access to those lots?
[1:10:35] >> When you look at the county plat, it is
[1:10:38] road.
[1:10:39] >> So we would have to vacate it through a
[1:10:41] cell.
[1:10:43] >> Um and thus we need to go to a public
[1:10:45] hearing for its land use.
[1:10:47] >> Um
[1:10:48] >> then they could put in a road petition
[1:10:50] to put in a road on that vacated
[1:10:52] property.
[1:10:52] >> It would be a driveway. It would be
[1:10:54] public or private property,
[1:10:56] >> private driveway.
[1:10:57] >> It would be, I assume, probably jointly
[1:10:59] owned or one lot would own it and the
[1:11:02] other would be have a an easement on it
[1:11:04] or something like that, right, Bucky?
[1:11:07] >> Yeah. Yeah, there would be it would be a
[1:11:09] shared driveway. Um,
[1:11:13] uh, probably the HOA would actually own
[1:11:15] the property and then we would just
[1:11:17] record needs met across across the
[1:11:20] property for both both lots to access it
[1:11:23] for a driveway.
[1:11:28] » Okay.
[1:11:28] >> And that road uh, that we're talking
[1:11:30] about, the south is a private road as
[1:11:32] well,
[1:11:32] >> right?
[1:11:33] >> It's not a public road.
[1:11:34] >> Yep.
[1:11:37] » Okay. Any other questions?
[1:11:39] >> Really wide driveway. Yeah. Any other
[1:11:42] questions for Ted or uh Bucky?
[1:11:47] » Yeah, there's some procedural things we
[1:11:49] wanted that we're going to need to go
[1:11:51] through because this is, you know,
[1:11:53] resident owned land. We're going to need
[1:11:55] to go through a public hearing because
[1:11:57] it's a land use decision. Um but we
[1:12:00] wanted to kind of get a a feel um you
[1:12:03] know, not a concrete vote here, but a
[1:12:06] kind of a feel. Does this sound like
[1:12:08] something that you guys would like to to
[1:12:09] have us continue to pursue or is there
[1:12:13] no appetite at all from the council uh
[1:12:16] to vacate this land?
[1:12:20] >> Brian, was that your hand?
[1:12:24] » No, but um there I I I don't have a
[1:12:28] problem with looking at this and and and
[1:12:31] moving forward. Uh there is the new
[1:12:35] pardon me for House Bill 535 that passed
[1:12:39] that we're going to have to actually
[1:12:41] look at um to make sure we meet the the
[1:12:44] new state regulations
[1:12:46] on on property sales. This is what I had
[1:12:49] put together and studied um with sale of property. So um definitely something
[1:12:55] we need to make sure that we're
[1:12:57] following those those regulations as we
[1:12:59] go forward.
[1:13:01] and we have been talking with Craig and
[1:13:02] Ethan to make sure we are compliant in
[1:13:04] those statutory requirements as well.
[1:13:07] Thank you.
[1:13:08] >> Yeah, that's just new. So,
[1:13:11] >> hey, anybody else have any concerns,
[1:13:14] thoughts?
[1:13:19] » Okay. Then I say we move in this to keep
[1:13:21] going.
[1:13:21] >> Yeah.
[1:13:22] >> And it'll come back to you, I assume,
[1:13:24] right? It's coming back to the council
[1:13:26] for a final verdict or does that go
[1:13:28] straight to the planning commission and
[1:13:29] they'll make the final verdict? No, it
[1:13:31] will go. Planning commission will have a
[1:13:33] public hearing, city council will have a
[1:13:35] public hearing, then the council will
[1:13:37] make the decision. And this is the same
[1:13:39] also. You talked about South Loper, but
[1:13:41] you didn't mention Eagle Nest.
[1:13:43] >> And we probably need to talk about that
[1:13:45] as well.
[1:13:47] >> Oh, no. Eagle Nest. Yeah, the body
[1:13:50] nest
[1:13:51] >> because that um if you remember as part
[1:13:55] of the development agreement, the city
[1:13:57] council agreed to vacate the bulb on
[1:14:00] Eagle Nest and allow um Summit Creek to
[1:14:06] make that a private road entering a
[1:14:08] portion of their community. Um
[1:14:12] this was kind of decided on, but we will
[1:14:14] have to move forward on that. We've got
[1:14:18] some procedural process we need to
[1:14:19] follow just on finalizing our commitment
[1:14:22] that we made with the Summit Creek
[1:14:24] development agreement.
[1:14:26] >> And for those who are listening online
[1:14:27] and thinking, well, you just gave that
[1:14:29] to the developer. No, in exchange, the
[1:14:33] developer did work for us on Bear
[1:14:36] Hollow. So, they finished Bear Hollow,
[1:14:39] put in all the improvements there, paid
[1:14:41] for the road to be done, and this was
[1:14:44] kind of one of those in exchange
[1:14:47] things that was part of the development
[1:14:49] agreement. So, I just want to clarify.
[1:14:52] >> Yeah. Can I add one little piece to that
[1:14:55] too,
[1:14:56] >> please?
[1:14:57] >> Yeah, they we also finished Rockline
[1:14:59] Ditches and some of the other
[1:15:01] infrastructure on Eagle's Nest and
[1:15:04] Cougar Run. Um there was on plat D plat
[1:15:10] D and plat F there was missing
[1:15:12] infrastructure that we agreed to to uh
[1:15:17] to finish and
[1:15:19] uh that was an exchange for being able
[1:15:21] to vacate that that bulb and and make
[1:15:27] that private.
[1:15:30] >> You know lucky that does away with my
[1:15:32] weekend entertainment.
[1:15:34] turn on my lights and down through that
[1:15:36] bulb.
[1:15:38] >> I bet.
[1:15:40] That's probably some interesting
[1:15:42] stuff.
[1:15:44] >> I think that's a plus.
[1:15:45] >> Yeah. Um Yeah, I'm not I'm not sad to
[1:15:48] see that go away. That's
[1:15:50] >> okay. Any other questions uh concerning
[1:15:53] the the vacation of those two those two
[1:15:56] different areas of the city?
[1:15:59] >> Okay. Then we'll keep continue to
[1:16:00] process or put those through the process
[1:16:02] on that front.
[1:16:03] >> You're still on. Oh, well, we're
[1:16:05] actually we're going to go to number
[1:16:06] eight now. I'll go and jump back to the
[1:16:08] April 2026 financials and check
[1:16:11] dispersements, though. Ted, you might as
[1:16:13] well just stick around. You're you're
[1:16:14] up.
[1:16:17] >> Uh any questions as you guys have had a
[1:16:19] chance to review those uh April
[1:16:21] financials and check dispersements?
[1:16:24] >> Brian, any questions on your front?
[1:16:30] I didn't have
[1:16:31] >> Sorry, I was on another screen looking
[1:16:33] at it. No, I don't have any questions.
[1:16:35] Jody had sent me some stuff earlier. Um,
[1:16:37] everything everything looks good.
[1:16:39] Appreciate it.
[1:16:41] >> Okay.
[1:16:43] Anybody?
[1:16:45] Okay, then. Ted, you're back up. I hope
[1:16:47] you found that other chair comfortable.
[1:16:48] >> Oh, yeah. Well,
[1:16:51] >> okay. We're going to go to number 10.
[1:16:52] Update on the city grants.
[1:16:55] >> Well, I think we've updated everything.
[1:16:56] Uh, you are, you know where we're at on
[1:16:58] that one. and still haven't heard on
[1:17:00] Burgess Owens grant or the uh we should
[1:17:05] hear soon on the um trail grant through
[1:17:10] MAG. Uh they say by June one we'll know
[1:17:13] pretty much know if we're going to get
[1:17:14] funded or not. So next council
[1:17:17] >> and that's just for a study.
[1:17:19] >> No, this is for an actual trail.
[1:17:20] >> Oh, it's for the actual trail. We we
[1:17:22] submitted for 2.9 million funding from
[1:17:25] MAG to build a section of the trail that
[1:17:28] was based on that study we did on the
[1:17:30] roundabout city building.
[1:17:33] >> Yeah.
[1:17:34] >> Okay.
[1:17:35] >> Yeah.
[1:17:36] >> And we're kind of right on the bubble.
[1:17:38] >> Right on the bubble on that.
[1:17:40] >> The way they do is they go through and
[1:17:41] they rank all the projects. The the TAC
[1:17:43] committee, technical advisory committee,
[1:17:45] uh goes through and the staff ranks all
[1:17:47] the projects. We rank all the projects
[1:17:48] as a TAC committee. They combined the
[1:17:50] rankings. There were 44 projects. We
[1:17:53] were like right in the middle. And then
[1:17:55] they just start giving out the money.
[1:17:56] They have so much money to hand out. 110
[1:17:59] millionish. They just start handing out
[1:18:01] money until they run out. And if you're
[1:18:03] high enough on the list, you'll get it.
[1:18:04] If you're not, you won't. We're right
[1:18:06] kind of right in that bubble area.
[1:18:10] >> Okay. Anything else on grants, you guys?
[1:18:13] Okay. Then we will move Oh, don't go
[1:18:15] anywhere, Ted.
[1:18:17] Uh, departmental reports, community
[1:18:19] development, public works, fire
[1:18:21] department.
[1:18:21] >> If we didn't have so many titles, you
[1:18:23] wouldn't have to sit up for so much, but
[1:18:24] you know.
[1:18:26] >> Yeah. Uh, I don't know what more I got
[1:18:27] to report. I think you guys hear from me
[1:18:29] enough. Our fire crew is now uh on
[1:18:32] full-time and available nationally. Uh,
[1:18:34] in the meantime, they are doing
[1:18:36] mitigation work here in the city.
[1:18:37] They've been doing chipping, wheat
[1:18:38] cutting, stuff like that on the fire
[1:18:40] department side.
[1:18:41] >> I noticed they were cutting down the
[1:18:43] grass.
[1:18:44] >> Cutting down grasses. uh then go along
[1:18:46] cutting down tall grasses along our
[1:18:48] rightsways and properties and stuff like
[1:18:49] that.
[1:18:49] >> Definitely need
[1:18:51] >> um
[1:18:53] and chipping wood county wood chippers.
[1:18:57] They'll be done by the end of this week
[1:18:59] with the roadside chipping. They are
[1:19:02] still working. We have an agreement for
[1:19:03] them to work up on our property near the
[1:19:05] water tank and they're up there probably
[1:19:07] back up. They've been up there once.
[1:19:09] They're going to be back up there again,
[1:19:10] I believe, tomorrow. Uh continuing work
[1:19:12] on that property up there. So we'll have
[1:19:14] more mitigation work going on in the
[1:19:16] city. Um
[1:19:18] >> is the chipping are they going to go
[1:19:19] back and finish the piles they missed
[1:19:21] because we are still
[1:19:22] >> how that was the confusing part was
[1:19:24] >> I saw that about the process.
[1:19:26] >> Yeah. So basically what so the county
[1:19:28] crews are going around fairly
[1:19:30] systematically. However, our crew uh got
[1:19:33] a we got a chipper from the state. State
[1:19:35] loaned us a chipper to use. So our crew
[1:19:37] has been going around with the chipper.
[1:19:39] they're kind of catching the small piles
[1:19:41] and then leaving all the big stuff,
[1:19:42] bigger stuff for the county. So, in some
[1:19:45] cases, our crews have been going around
[1:19:46] hitting piles here and there. But, so
[1:19:48] one street, they may have gotten one or
[1:19:50] two piles that are smaller. Then the
[1:19:51] county comes back through and gets all
[1:19:53] the big stuff or but they don't finish.
[1:19:55] The county will go back through uh
[1:19:57] they'll probably be mostly done
[1:19:59] tomorrow. They're going to go back
[1:20:01] through the city one last time and check
[1:20:03] everything, make sure everything's done
[1:20:04] before they leave the city by the end of
[1:20:05] the week. If something is missed,
[1:20:08] >> ours still haven't been touched. That's
[1:20:09] why
[1:20:10] >> they got a couple more days up here.
[1:20:12] They'll go back through, like I said,
[1:20:13] they'll go back through the whole city
[1:20:14] and check everything before they leave.
[1:20:16] Um,
[1:20:17] if something does get missed, we've
[1:20:19] still got the state chipper, so we can
[1:20:20] send our crew down there to get it.
[1:20:22] >> My neighbors were like, "Haha." Cuz all
[1:20:24] of theirs got done and mine didn't. I
[1:20:27] was like, "Okay."
[1:20:28] >> I told you, "Wait a minute. Did you
[1:20:29] figure this out after your neighbors
[1:20:30] were done?"
[1:20:31] >> Yeah. All my neighbors got done just
[1:20:34] >> Did you figure what half your neighbors
[1:20:35] were already chipped?
[1:20:37] >> No.
[1:20:38] >> Been out there the whole time.
[1:20:40] >> Yeah.
[1:20:40] >> My husband did add to it this weekend,
[1:20:42] though. He was like, "Well, they haven't
[1:20:43] done it yet." So, he put more out there.
[1:20:45] >> Well, and we want as much of it out of
[1:20:47] the city as we can. So,
[1:20:49] >> we lost some trees during that storm.
[1:20:51] So,
[1:20:53] >> yeah, they'll go back and check
[1:20:54] everything for anything at the city. And
[1:20:55] if they don't get it, our crews will be
[1:20:56] around and get it. Um,
[1:20:59] and then our road project is likely
[1:21:01] going to kick off in July for phase
[1:21:03] three of the road
[1:21:05] >> that's going to be
[1:21:05] >> phase three of the road project.
[1:21:07] >> Will that is there a section of Woodland
[1:21:09] Hills Drive in that phase three? Isn't
[1:21:11] there one? That'll be interesting. Oh,
[1:21:15] that'll be rough just with all the other
[1:21:16] road blockages. And then we're going to
[1:21:18] add some up here, too.
[1:21:19] >> Well, it's actually a good time because
[1:21:21] Woodland Hills Drive is very buggered
[1:21:23] up. So, we're recommending everyone take
[1:21:26] Summit Creek to Loafer Mountain. Um,
[1:21:29] that's your best way to get around now
[1:21:31] and avoid Wooden Hills Drive. So, while
[1:21:33] Woodland Hills Drive, I mean, while it's
[1:21:35] kind of buggered up, might as well just
[1:21:36] get art done as well
[1:21:39] >> while people are detouring anyway.
[1:21:41] >> Yeah. And at some point when the
[1:21:42] roundabout, we won't even be able to go
[1:21:44] through that, right? At some point this
[1:21:45] summer.
[1:21:46] >> Yeah. We'll have to be going over to
[1:21:47] Summit down to 11 200,
[1:21:49] >> right? They'll shut down everything when
[1:21:51] the roundabout goes in and we they we
[1:21:54] just finished the final design on the
[1:21:56] roundabout. So final design is done on
[1:21:58] that.
[1:21:58] >> Oh.
[1:21:59] >> Um they're starting to put bid documents
[1:22:01] together.
[1:22:01] >> So uh have you seen it? You've seen it?
[1:22:04] >> I have.
[1:22:05] >> And like what's going to go in the
[1:22:07] middle?
[1:22:09] >> No. What are they going to put in the
[1:22:10] middle? Do you know that?
[1:22:11] >> Generally what we have there now
[1:22:13] >> they'll put some landscaping, some
[1:22:14] trees. They'll they'll modify it a bit
[1:22:16] if we want them to. Um,
[1:22:20] >> and we could still put something in if
[1:22:21] we raise the money like the
[1:22:22] >> our flag pole is going to go in. I told
[1:22:25] them we would like to include possibly a
[1:22:26] city sign and they said that's fine. We
[1:22:28] just have to buy it. Um, generally
[1:22:32] they're going to put some trees back,
[1:22:33] some plants,
[1:22:35] >> fighting
[1:22:36] >> our flag poles. In fact, the way they're
[1:22:38] building this, that center is really not
[1:22:40] even going to be they're not even going
[1:22:41] to move the flag pole. That's going to
[1:22:42] stay there.
[1:22:44] They're going to demo around it and hold
[1:22:46] that little piece in place.
[1:22:48] >> And then they'll widen it. Make it
[1:22:49] bigger.
[1:22:50] >> Okay. Definitely need to wider.
[1:22:55] >> We'll cut out those ugly trees. Let's
[1:22:56] get some better looking trees there.
[1:23:00] » Wonderful.
[1:23:01] >> Better quality pines.
[1:23:03] >> Thank you, Ted. Uh Wayne, anything with
[1:23:06] Planning Commission or uh code
[1:23:08] enforcement?
[1:23:09] >> A couple of things.
[1:23:11] >> Nobody breaks the code. Gosh,
[1:23:14] >> it's been quiet.
[1:23:17] >> Summer's coming.
[1:23:18] >> Not a bad thing.
[1:23:19] >> Depends who you talk to.
[1:23:22] >> Sorry.
[1:23:22] >> Um, we've had some problems with some
[1:23:25] builders
[1:23:27] and we've
[1:23:29] >> levied some fines. Should be aware of
[1:23:32] that. We've we appreciate we've gotten
[1:23:35] quite a few citizen complaints about
[1:23:38] builders and we've taken them to heart
[1:23:40] and trying to resolve the issues so they
[1:23:44] don't reoccur and um
[1:23:48] >> issues and fines when
[1:23:49] >> are they noise ordinance starting too
[1:23:51] soon?
[1:23:52] >> Mostly
[1:23:54] >> there is a little bit of a misconception
[1:23:56] on Sunday work.
[1:23:58] Um builders can work on Sunday
[1:24:03] provided the noise level is
[1:24:06] acceptable to the neighbors. Usually
[1:24:09] that means working inside a home,
[1:24:12] >> not heavy equipment and
[1:24:15] >> nail guns and things like that going on
[1:24:17] outside.
[1:24:19] >> So hope the builders would respect that.
[1:24:22] But there is a provision that they can
[1:24:24] work quiet time.
[1:24:27] >> Sure.
[1:24:27] >> Uh on on the property during Sunday. A
[1:24:30] lot of people don't real understand
[1:24:32] that. We uh we canled our planning
[1:24:35] commission meeting this month due to a
[1:24:38] lack of being able to get a quorum
[1:24:40] together. It's
[1:24:42] >> graduation
[1:24:42] >> summertime and everything else. And so
[1:24:45] we plan on uh our planning commission
[1:24:48] meeting in June of uh having a public
[1:24:52] hearing with the general plan that
[1:24:55] you're all aware of that timetable and
[1:24:58] then we'll come back to the council with the results of of that. So
[1:25:05] that's pretty much all that I wanted had
[1:25:07] to share. Any questions?
[1:25:11] Who said public servants could take
[1:25:13] vacations and spend time with their
[1:25:15] family? That allowed.
[1:25:18] >> You're supposed to.
[1:25:20] >> Yeah,
[1:25:20] >> I know.
[1:25:20] >> It's encouraged.
[1:25:22] >> Very good. Aaron, do you have anything?
[1:25:25] >> Yeah.
[1:25:32] » We're making progress on establishing or
[1:25:36] preparing for the June 20th emergency
[1:25:40] fire drill.
[1:25:41] Um, we've recently, I think, come to an
[1:25:43] agreement. Question from wrong, TED,
[1:25:46] that we're going to also partner with
[1:25:48] the Red Cross. Okay, we good with that.
[1:25:50] Clear that?
[1:25:52] >> Answer is yes. Um, we just had to make
[1:25:54] sure that the Red Cross, they have a
[1:25:56] fire mitigation program that they're
[1:25:58] trying to promote to citizens. And we
[1:26:01] just had to make sure that their
[1:26:02] recommendations coincided with what we
[1:26:04] were already doing mitigation wise. So,
[1:26:07] we're going to be able to make those uh
[1:26:08] corrections or synchronize them together
[1:26:10] better. But this this Red Cross is going
[1:26:13] to um provide a free backpack like a
[1:26:18] bugout backpack with some initial
[1:26:22] contributions for it for each family
[1:26:24] that uh participates with a fire
[1:26:27] mitigation
[1:26:29] analysis of their home.
[1:26:32] >> Internal
[1:26:32] >> what?
[1:26:33] >> Internal as well as external. Right.
[1:26:35] >> They do. They're they're going to
[1:26:36] provide external. Let me back up. We are
[1:26:39] going to be the ones that provide the
[1:26:40] volunteers to help do the external one.
[1:26:42] They have volunteers to do the internal
[1:26:44] one. The internal one that they're
[1:26:45] doing, they're going to get free fire
[1:26:48] alarms to each residents that needs it.
[1:26:51] So, they're going to check their
[1:26:52] batteries. They're going to verify if
[1:26:53] they have proper coverage, and they'll
[1:26:55] be able to be given for free at no cost
[1:26:58] to the resident uh those alarms as well
[1:27:01] as the backpack if they do the external
[1:27:02] one. So, it's pretty cool. Um on the
[1:27:05] 20th in the morning, we are we are
[1:27:07] inviting the block captains that are are
[1:27:10] assigned that position in the community
[1:27:12] to come into the city center here first
[1:27:14] to um get some initial training and
[1:27:17] that's where they're going to be the
[1:27:18] ones asked to do the walkarounds with
[1:27:21] the coaching from the Red Cross. Okay,
[1:27:24] >> great. Um, yeah. And then we're going to
[1:27:27] do the actual
[1:27:29] test at 10 o'clock.
[1:27:32] And the county has made available to us
[1:27:34] the MAC um the MAC truck is.
[1:27:38] >> This is 45 ft emergency
[1:27:41] operations center facility. So, we're
[1:27:44] going to start the EOC here at 8:30 9:00
[1:27:49] and then halfway through the test, we're
[1:27:52] going to get evacuated because the fire
[1:27:53] is coming towards this building.
[1:27:55] And then we're going to evacuate to the
[1:27:56] Mac truck and finish our operations
[1:27:58] there. So that'll give us a little bit
[1:28:01] experience of how fast we can
[1:28:03] transition.
[1:28:06] >> Any other questions?
[1:28:08] >> That's great.
[1:28:08] >> Okay. So J, I'm going to try and get you
[1:28:11] some material to put into our newsletter
[1:28:13] coming up as far as what families can do
[1:28:14] to prepare for it, such as
[1:28:16] >> deadline is before the first.
[1:28:19] >> As long as it's not tomorrow, good.
[1:28:22] I'll get it to you. I I
[1:28:25] >> it's I'm going to have to work on it on
[1:28:27] the weekend. So if
[1:28:28] >> get to you this week ASAP.
[1:28:30] >> Yeah, I this week is toast already. So
[1:28:33] this weekend I will work on the
[1:28:34] newsletter.
[1:28:36] >> I will work on my contribution for you.
[1:28:39] >> Ted Wayne,
[1:28:41] >> you got mine already?
[1:28:42] >> Oh, I got yours. Okay,
[1:28:44] >> you got mine, right?
[1:28:45] >> Not yours. It was good. I read it.
[1:28:47] >> Way to go, Rude.
[1:28:48] >> Okay.
[1:28:50] >> Somebody that pulls people over. Anybody
[1:28:53] got any questions?
[1:28:56] >> Um, wonderful. I we I was at the
[1:28:59] emergency manager meeting today for the
[1:29:01] county.
[1:29:02] >> Um, he was talking about the wildfire.
[1:29:04] It was the county fire manager
[1:29:07] basically said uh William Hills is going
[1:29:09] to go up and smoke.
[1:29:11] He was kidding though. But uh
[1:29:14] >> number 10
[1:29:15] >> he's well yeah he's grateful that we're
[1:29:17] doing mitigation efforts like we have
[1:29:18] been and they you know they're glad they
[1:29:20] could buy some resources to us as well.
[1:29:22] So it was a good good talk goodation.
[1:29:26] >> Thank you sir.
[1:29:27] >> Hey
[1:29:29] okay uh mayor and city council reports.
[1:29:31] Um again five minutes or less. Um for
[1:29:36] personnel you know our staff has been
[1:29:39] doing some fabulous work. Um, like we've
[1:29:42] already talked about all the water line
[1:29:44] issues that all seem to happen, you
[1:29:46] know, when they're not, you know, on the
[1:29:48] clock here. They never break in the
[1:29:51] morning and take up his day. It always
[1:29:53] is after, but they've done a great job
[1:29:55] there. Um, our waterline contractors are
[1:29:58] fabulous to work with. Um, as well, um,
[1:30:02] as for a legal update, uh, nothing for
[1:30:04] today. So, Council Member Hutchings
[1:30:07] from Planning Commission.
[1:30:09] >> As Wayne mentioned, uh, planning
[1:30:11] commission was cancelled, so I don't
[1:30:13] have anything to report.
[1:30:16] >> Wonderful. Uh, Council Member Jones,
[1:30:17] public safety. Nothing to report.
[1:30:21] >> Uh, okay. Council member Lunt, parks,
[1:30:24] trails, recreation, finance, events, and
[1:30:26] communication.
[1:30:28] >> Yeah. Um, PTR, we met and just mostly
[1:30:32] talked about the pickle ball grant that
[1:30:34] came through. Um, PTR did contribute to
[1:30:38] help. I mean, Ted did l my share of the
[1:30:41] work, but PTR did help with that and
[1:30:42] supported with that and so we're
[1:30:44] grateful for that. And, um, they're just
[1:30:47] making a priority list. We've been
[1:30:48] working on a priority list or things we
[1:30:50] want to see in the parks and trails so
[1:30:52] we know what to work on. Like we'd
[1:30:54] really like to have a restroom up there.
[1:30:56] the ADA thing has always been at the top
[1:30:58] of the list. Um, which now it sounds
[1:31:00] like part of that will be taken care of.
[1:31:01] So, that's awesome. But, um, one of the
[1:31:04] things we also want is we kind of want
[1:31:06] to make a little amphitheater on the
[1:31:07] south side of the pavilion. You have
[1:31:09] that flat area where we always like we
[1:31:10] show the movie and stuff like that. We'd
[1:31:12] like to have a little maybe like a
[1:31:14] cement pad right there and then in the
[1:31:16] grass have an amphitheater. So, that's something that we're going to be
[1:31:21] working on and a priority. Um,
[1:31:25] let's see. So, finance committee, we
[1:31:28] just went over budget numbers and then
[1:31:30] you met, so I have a report there.
[1:31:33] Newsletter, just a reminder for articles
[1:31:36] that I don't have yet that I need those.
[1:31:38] And then America 250,
[1:31:41] um, that is coming up. So, July 5th, on
[1:31:46] Sunday, July 5th, we will be having a
[1:31:50] um, what do you call it? the park.
[1:31:52] >> Pot luck.
[1:31:53] >> Potluck in the park. And um we are
[1:31:58] hoping that the city can
[1:32:01] fire department cook some hot dogs.
[1:32:05] >> When?
[1:32:06] >> July 5th.
[1:32:07] >> Sunday, July 5th.
[1:32:10] >> Mhm.
[1:32:11] >> The whole entire state is doing a
[1:32:13] potluck.
[1:32:14] >> 10:30 to 2:30.
[1:32:17] >> Sweet.
[1:32:19] >> 6 o'clock.
[1:32:21] >> Huh. I'll have to be there at 10:30
[1:32:23] prep. Okay.
[1:32:27] >> Um and then um we have a we have a
[1:32:30] committee and they're excited. They're
[1:32:31] kind of gung-ho on it and um we're
[1:32:34] hoping to do homemade root beer and have
[1:32:37] everyone bring
[1:32:39] >> a side dish
[1:32:40] >> to go with it. And then we had thought
[1:32:43] about we thought about renting chairs
[1:32:45] and tables, but we decided against that.
[1:32:46] We're going to use what tables and
[1:32:48] chairs we have at the city, but then
[1:32:50] we're also going to tell people to bring
[1:32:51] their camp chairs and they can also
[1:32:54] bring their pop-ups if they want and
[1:32:56] make like little family centers in the
[1:32:59] grass. They can bring their pop-ups and
[1:33:00] their camp chairs and their blankets and
[1:33:02] kind of make their little area. Um, so
[1:33:05] we wanted to just make it less
[1:33:08] commercial and more ground.
[1:33:10] >> I think that if we want to get our older
[1:33:12] residents, we're going to need to have
[1:33:13] some
[1:33:14] >> That's why we're going to have those.
[1:33:16] We're going to bring all of ours from
[1:33:17] the city up there.
[1:33:18] >> All of ours from the city that
[1:33:19] >> Yes, ma'am.
[1:33:21] >> But uh and between that and the
[1:33:24] pavilion, the older citizens will have
[1:33:26] plenty of seating. Um but then the
[1:33:29] families can make their own areas.
[1:33:32] And then just a few little games, not a
[1:33:35] whole lot. Oh, and then Dennis Lizby is
[1:33:37] getting music together. So, um he has a
[1:33:41] little band. Rick Prey has a group. He's
[1:33:44] going to see if Hillary Weeks will do a
[1:33:45] few numbers. He's going to see several
[1:33:48] youth artists and they're all just going
[1:33:49] to take turns. And then one of the
[1:33:51] things that I kind of wanted um was some
[1:33:54] patriotic songs and a sing along so that
[1:33:56] the citizens can sing along on some of
[1:33:58] like the you know some of the Star
[1:34:00] Spangled Banner, some of those. So
[1:34:03] anyway, trying to keep it simple but
[1:34:05] also make it worth worthwhile for people
[1:34:08] to come. And um I got the information to
[1:34:11] President Aett and um he's supporting it
[1:34:15] last I heard and
[1:34:17] >> the church overall has has already said
[1:34:19] that they're supporting it. So
[1:34:20] >> he he reached out for details and stuff.
[1:34:22] So we got those to him and I'm going to
[1:34:24] ask Dan Roden kind of has a double duty.
[1:34:27] So when we get the information finalized
[1:34:29] I'm going to have him send it out get it
[1:34:31] sent out to all the wards and bishops
[1:34:34] and that way um we can make sure that
[1:34:36] all the wards support it.
[1:34:38] >> Yeah. and we'll do a sign up genius just
[1:34:41] to kind of remind people for the side
[1:34:42] dishes, but really people can still just
[1:34:44] show up and bring whatever they want.
[1:34:45] But it's just to kind of help get the
[1:34:47] ball rolling and encourage people to
[1:34:49] sign up for stuff and commit. So, okay,
[1:34:52] that was more than five minutes. I'm
[1:34:53] sorry.
[1:34:54] >> Well, we only gave you all the
[1:34:56] responsibility. So, Council Member
[1:34:58] Malovich,
[1:34:59] >> um, no report other than what we've
[1:35:01] already talked about that the strategic
[1:35:04] plan committee will come on the 23rd at
[1:35:06] 6 p.m. and give us a presentation and by
[1:35:10] then they probably will have um a little
[1:35:13] bit more details on what we talked about
[1:35:16] earlier.
[1:35:17] >> Wonderful. Okay, Council Member Roden,
[1:35:20] no nothing. Just been helping Janet on
[1:35:22] the 250 and obviously sending you some
[1:35:24] ideas. And so I know that you had asked
[1:35:26] out to the community to share their
[1:35:29] feedback. I'm not sure if you gave them
[1:35:31] away specifically like an email address.
[1:35:33] >> That is on tomorrow's agenda.
[1:35:35] >> Okay. So I don't know if it would be
[1:35:38] better to receive a bunch of different
[1:35:40] ones and then I can take inspiration
[1:35:43] from those and I I just don't know how
[1:35:44] we would do if we receive say 30 how we
[1:35:48] would do some sort of vote to determine
[1:35:50] which one we'd want to do. But we could
[1:35:52] take those as inspiration for whatever
[1:35:54] we do.
[1:35:55] >> I think it's a great idea.
[1:35:56] >> Does that work?
[1:35:56] >> Let's you and I chat tomorrow also to
[1:35:58] make sure I finalize the verbiage and
[1:36:00] everything and then I'll send it out.
[1:36:02] >> You know, and does everyone else know
[1:36:04] what they're talking about for the
[1:36:05] mailbox?
[1:36:06] >> They're talking about this temporary
[1:36:07] container mailboxes outside of the city
[1:36:10] center currently. It looks like, you
[1:36:12] know, Maris dropped off one of their
[1:36:14] junkers. Um, so what we want to do is is
[1:36:18] see if we can't paint it um in some
[1:36:22] capacity that brings in a little bit
[1:36:24] more of the patriotism and makes it not
[1:36:26] look like a a Maris junker. So
[1:36:29] >> you sent the video out so some people
[1:36:31] may have seen that.
[1:36:32] >> Correct. I did speak to it in my uh
[1:36:35] update on you know here. That's why I
[1:36:37] actually did that video out there um
[1:36:39] this time. Um, but I'll send out more
[1:36:42] information to more specific just to
[1:36:44] that.
[1:36:45] >> Okay.
[1:36:46] Wonderful. Any items for an
[1:36:48] upcoming city council meeting?
[1:36:50] >> Mayor.
[1:36:50] >> Yes.
[1:36:53] >> A thought comes to mind with the
[1:36:56] activity on the 5th.
[1:36:58] >> Possibly putting a program together, a
[1:37:01] printed program. Included in that
[1:37:06] can be collected is a list of our
[1:37:09] relatives in the city who have given
[1:37:12] their lives
[1:37:14] uh for in times of war and and otherwise
[1:37:19] to kind of recognize them uh in a
[1:37:23] program and let's list their names down
[1:37:25] >> those who have served.
[1:37:26] >> It's just a thought.
[1:37:28] >> I'd love to see even just veterans as
[1:37:29] well. That
[1:37:30] >> I'd love that. I my only worry, you
[1:37:33] know, my only worry is the worry that we
[1:37:35] always have leave forgetting somebody
[1:37:37] and leaving somebody out.
[1:37:39] >> I was talking um well and if you ask for
[1:37:41] people's names though, you know, give us
[1:37:44] the names of any veterans that were not
[1:37:46] only who live in our city but your
[1:37:48] family because then it gives it on to
[1:37:50] the person to put it in, not not you
[1:37:53] collecting them. The other thing I heard
[1:37:55] another city doing is they're going to
[1:37:56] have a contest on patriotic
[1:38:00] um desserts contest and I thought that
[1:38:02] might be a fun one for us too. Um
[1:38:05] whether it's you know a pies or Dutch
[1:38:07] oven or something people could make it a
[1:38:10] patriot what they deem as patriotic. We
[1:38:12] just Yes. I think that would be really
[1:38:14] fun. Um my subcommittee chairs we we
[1:38:18] talked about it. We don't want to make
[1:38:20] it too much work. It's a Sunday. We
[1:38:23] don't want to make it where, oh, you've
[1:38:25] got to bring this and you've got to
[1:38:26] bring this and you got to do this. We
[1:38:28] just want them to make a side dish and
[1:38:30] come and relax and enjoy the program and
[1:38:33] feel the patriotism. So, we don't want
[1:38:36] to put too much on people because
[1:38:38] >> we thought about like pie eating
[1:38:39] contests and other pie baking contests
[1:38:42] and
[1:38:43] >> um I just I'm more interested that
[1:38:45] people will not find a reason to not
[1:38:47] come. I think I just wanted to make it
[1:38:50] easy and simple. But note it.
[1:38:54] >> I mean all great ideas.
[1:38:55] >> Some people who are bakers though it is
[1:38:57] simple to bring something.
[1:38:58] >> So we have you just we just have to you
[1:39:00] know maybe balance that for the people
[1:39:02] who this is a big deal for them to have
[1:39:05] it as a as an event more and they love
[1:39:09] to bake. It might be their way to
[1:39:10] showcase and their own talents to our
[1:39:13] community. Um but at the same time bring
[1:39:17] what you want.
[1:39:17] >> Yeah.
[1:39:18] >> But
[1:39:19] >> maybe maybe give those who want to do
[1:39:21] that an opportunity.
[1:39:23] >> So Shannon Gilbert is spearheading.
[1:39:26] She's the person on the ground doing all
[1:39:28] of this. So and she also wants to keep
[1:39:31] it simple
[1:39:32] >> and I'll need
[1:39:33] >> Yeah.
[1:39:34] >> all baked goods to come through my home
[1:39:36] first before
[1:39:38] >> So none of them will arrive.
[1:39:40] >> So none of them will
[1:39:41] >> poison control. I will I will be the
[1:39:43] sole vote.
[1:39:44] >> Wonderful. Okay. Uh Jody, could we
[1:39:48] actually add to the next council agenda?
[1:39:50] >> Um America 250.
[1:39:52] >> We'll keep talking about it and
[1:39:54] updating. Yep.
[1:39:55] >> Okay.
[1:39:56] >> Wonderful. Okay. Uh if there's nothing
[1:39:58] else for upcoming
[1:40:00] uh council meetings then we will uh
[1:40:03] close the work session um and we will
[1:40:06] take uh
[1:40:09] 3 minute break and we will resume again
[1:40:13] at 7:45.
[1:40:15] >> Does that work for everybody?
[1:40:16] >> It's very specific. Yes minute break.
[1:40:19] >> I just round to the nearest five.
[1:40:23] So,
[1:40:24] >> okay.
[1:40:29] » Yeah.
[1:40:29] >> Oh, it's just like
[1:40:30] >> wonderful.
[1:40:32] >> Okay.
[1:40:34] Well, I'd like to call um this council
[1:40:36] meeting to order. Um and we are going to
[1:40:39] start with an invocation from council
[1:40:41] member John's and a pledge of allegiance
[1:40:43] from council member Ron.
[1:40:48] We're your father in heaven. We're
[1:40:49] grateful to be able to meet together
[1:40:51] today as a city and discuss the needs of
[1:40:54] the city and the ways we can uh improve
[1:40:58] the quality of life that we all enjoy
[1:40:59] here. We ask that thou will bless us and
[1:41:02] guide us today as we make decisions that
[1:41:05] we can be guided by thy thy spirit. And
[1:41:09] we ask for these things in the name of
[1:41:11] Jesus Christ. Amen.
[1:41:12] >> Amen. All rise, please.
[1:41:17] Repeat after me.
[1:41:19] I pledge algiance to the flag of the
[1:41:22] United States of America and to the
[1:41:25] republic for which it stands. One nation
[1:41:28] under God, indivisible, with liberty and
[1:41:32] justice for all.
[1:41:37] » Well, thank you both.
[1:41:39] Um, I'd like to open uh the public
[1:41:42] comment period. Um, comments are to be
[1:41:44] limited to 2 minutes or less if
[1:41:46] possible. Um, and only in-person
[1:41:49] comments will be included as part of the
[1:41:50] official record,
[1:41:53] >> please.
[1:41:55] >> You want me to sit, I guess?
[1:41:57] >> Yep. And if you could just state your
[1:41:58] name for the record, that'd be great.
[1:42:00] >> Okay. So, I'm David Spencer. Uh, I live
[1:42:03] in ORM and I'm running for county
[1:42:04] commissioner CB. Um, I was on the ORM
[1:42:08] city council for 12 years. So, I just
[1:42:10] got off in December. Um, I got into
[1:42:13] politics to save the baseball fields in
[1:42:15] Oral and uh, 12 years later, they're
[1:42:17] still there. So, at least I accomplished
[1:42:19] something in my time on the council.
[1:42:21] But, um, the the main reason uh, I'm
[1:42:25] running for county commissioner is in
[1:42:27] those 12 years, not once did a county
[1:42:30] commissioner come to ORM and say, "What
[1:42:32] are your needs? How can we help you?"
[1:42:34] And that needs to change because I feel
[1:42:36] that Utah County is fractured. We're
[1:42:38] doing our own little thing. And if we
[1:42:40] get all on the same page, we'll be able
[1:42:42] to go to the legislature and ask for
[1:42:44] money that's going to Davis County
[1:42:46] because that's where the state
[1:42:47] leadership is. We need money in Utah
[1:42:49] County to help the cities.
[1:42:52] But the the main thing is if we come
[1:42:56] together, I want to meet like with every
[1:42:58] city, mayor, council, and citizens to
[1:43:00] say how can we help because a lot of
[1:43:02] people don't know what the county even
[1:43:04] does, right? But we have the the great
[1:43:06] sheriff and and sheriff's department and
[1:43:08] the the jail, but what are they doing
[1:43:10] for the cities? And that's what I want
[1:43:12] to change. So, in my service of uh on
[1:43:15] the city council, I love serving people.
[1:43:16] I love what people call me. I've heard
[1:43:19] that commissioners aren't even
[1:43:20] accessible. They can't even get be
[1:43:22] reached. You have to leave them a
[1:43:23] message. You need to be accessible.
[1:43:25] That's why I have my phone all the time
[1:43:27] and I did that as a city council member.
[1:43:30] Um, I was out in Janola last week and
[1:43:33] it's interesting how the gravel pits are
[1:43:35] really hurting the tart cherries and and that agriculture. So, we need to be
[1:43:40] very careful even though it's state
[1:43:41] that's mandated that we have to permit
[1:43:43] everything. But I just want to represent
[1:43:45] and I just wanted to come out and say
[1:43:47] I'm here and uh primary, you know,
[1:43:50] primaries are coming up really soon.
[1:43:51] June 2nd, I think the ballots are coming
[1:43:53] out, but I've got a brochure that I'll
[1:43:55] leave with the city reporter. And uh
[1:43:59] >> I have a quick question for you, David.
[1:44:00] Yes, ma'am.
[1:44:01] >> So, um what is your feeling on the
[1:44:03] budget with uh with the county sheriff?
[1:44:05] Um we we know it takes a a lot of money
[1:44:09] to run the sheriff, the jail, the um
[1:44:11] attorney general's office, I mean the
[1:44:12] county attorney's office, etc. We do
[1:44:15] contract with the sheriff's office, so
[1:44:18] for law enforcement. So, um, that budget
[1:44:20] is important to us. So, I want to know
[1:44:22] what you
[1:44:22] >> I agree 100%. So, in ORM, I I have the
[1:44:25] fraternal order police, uh, endorsement
[1:44:27] and also the the fire union in ORM
[1:44:29] because that is your number one budget
[1:44:32] item and that is your number one
[1:44:34] priority. You need to keep your citizens
[1:44:36] safe. Bottom line and you know, you can
[1:44:40] cut the fat, but the main thing you have
[1:44:42] to make sure that you keep your citizens
[1:44:44] safe and that's my bottom line. So, um,
[1:44:48] do I think, uh, in ORM we cut the fat
[1:44:51] and we save 1.7 million. Do I think
[1:44:53] there's fat in the county? Yes, I do.
[1:44:56] But we need to make sure that we do not
[1:44:58] go for from the sheriff and the jail. I
[1:45:01] don't know 100% about the jail and how,
[1:45:02] but I know it's very expensive because
[1:45:05] police and fire are normally the number
[1:45:06] one budget item. So that is a priority
[1:45:08] and that's why I do have the endorsement
[1:45:11] for our local,
[1:45:13] you know, fire and police because Chief
[1:45:16] Robertson and and Sanderson, they they
[1:45:18] support me 100%. I just I was at the
[1:45:20] Sarah last night and they honored our
[1:45:22] firemen and I went up and I shook all
[1:45:24] their hands cuz they're all my friends,
[1:45:25] right? I visit them because people don't
[1:45:28] realize, but they put their life on the
[1:45:30] line every day and they might not come
[1:45:33] home because they're protecting us and
[1:45:35] that my dad fought in Vietnam. So, I'm that's in my DNA and I just I
[1:45:40] appreciate what they do cuz I've been on
[1:45:42] ride alongs and stuff and I don't see
[1:45:43] how they do it, but I'm glad that
[1:45:45] somebody wants to do that um with the police and the fire, but I I take my
[1:45:49] hats off to them because they're you
[1:45:52] have to have you know, you're just a
[1:45:53] great individual if you're well if
[1:45:54] you're able to do that. But so, that's
[1:45:56] hopefully that answered your question,
[1:45:57] but I will I would not cut the sheriff
[1:45:59] and the and we need to make sure we we
[1:46:02] are efficient and that's the I mean,
[1:46:04] everybody's budget, you need to find
[1:46:06] efficiencies cuz money doesn't grow on
[1:46:08] trees. And I don't believe in if the
[1:46:10] county's raising taxes, that hurts the
[1:46:12] cities cuz then if you have to do a
[1:46:14] bond, I think you just had a board
[1:46:16] session talking about bonding. That
[1:46:18] hurts because then the citizens are
[1:46:20] feeling the pain, right? So, we just
[1:46:21] need to be careful. But I appreciate
[1:46:23] your time. I probably went over two
[1:46:24] minutes, but she did ask me the
[1:46:26] question, but it was a good question.
[1:46:28] >> You're good. Hey, thank you so much.
[1:46:30] leave this report if you want it, but
[1:46:31] I've got a plan. There's six or seven to
[1:46:33] do.
[1:46:34] >> Is contact information on there for any
[1:46:35] of them to be able to receive
[1:46:37] >> right there. Phone number and email, so
[1:46:38] I always have my phone.
[1:46:40] >> Okay. Thank you, sir.
[1:46:41] >> Thank you.
[1:46:42] >> Uh Sherry,
[1:46:43] >> hi. I am not running for political
[1:46:46] office and I don't want to go to jail,
[1:46:50] >> but I do have a comment about the
[1:46:52] roundabout.
[1:46:53] Is there any way in working with the
[1:46:56] county that
[1:46:58] uh the funding that they would be
[1:47:00] putting into the roundabout, they just
[1:47:02] give to the city? And we put in what we
[1:47:07] feel the citizens and
[1:47:10] would like to see in conjunction with
[1:47:13] what some or um Three Bridges is going
[1:47:17] to do to kind of keep all the artistic
[1:47:21] genre the same.
[1:47:23] And I do have a request in my comment
[1:47:27] that it's my understanding that this the
[1:47:32] county owns that obnoxious very tall
[1:47:35] light that is left on all night long
[1:47:38] down there by the mailboxes. Is that
[1:47:41] going to be removed?
[1:47:46] Um I don't
[1:47:50] relocate probably but um because they
[1:47:53] have to kind of reconfigure that site
[1:47:55] there
[1:47:56] >> right
[1:47:57] >> I don't know what I haven't looked at
[1:47:59] the plan close enough to see what that
[1:48:00] light other than I think it says
[1:48:02] possibly relocate it
[1:48:04] >> um but I don't know for sure
[1:48:07] >> okay
[1:48:08] >> have to look at the plan a little closer
[1:48:10] on that one
[1:48:11] >> just be nice if they'd give us the money
[1:48:13] of what they would spend on trees and
[1:48:15] whatever else you guys were talking
[1:48:17] about in the work session and then you
[1:48:21] know we can put in what we want to put
[1:48:23] in and use that money. So that's my
[1:48:26] comment. Thank you.
[1:48:28] >> Thank you.
[1:48:30] Okay.
[1:48:32] Doesn't look like I have anybody here.
[1:48:33] Is there anybody else? Diana or Dorl?
[1:48:39] » You guys are doing great.
[1:48:42] >> Thank you. Thank you, Noral. Anything
[1:48:45] from you?
[1:48:48] >> I didn't know how to mute unmute. Uh,
[1:48:50] no. I'm just uh wanting to step in and
[1:48:52] listen. I apologize for being late.
[1:48:55] Nothing to say, Mayor.
[1:48:57] >> We'll we'll take you in any form we can
[1:48:59] get you, brother.
[1:49:01] Okay, then I will close the public
[1:49:02] comment and we're going to move on to
[1:49:05] our business and discussion. Um, a
[1:49:08] motion for the mayor to sign the Utah
[1:49:11] wildland fire memorandum of
[1:49:13] understanding between the Utah Division
[1:49:15] of Forestry, Fire, and State Land, and
[1:49:18] Woodland Hills.
[1:49:21] >> I'll make a motion.
[1:49:23] >> Uh, okay. Council member Hutchkins with
[1:49:25] the motion.
[1:49:25] >> Second.
[1:49:26] >> Council member Malovich with a second.
[1:49:28] Um, Council Member Lund,
[1:49:31] >> yes.
[1:49:31] >> Council member Rhoden,
[1:49:32] >> yes. Council member Hutchkins.
[1:49:35] >> Yes.
[1:49:36] >> Council member Johns,
[1:49:37] >> yes.
[1:49:38] >> Council member Malovich,
[1:49:39] >> yes.
[1:49:40] >> Okay, that motion passes. Um, and a
[1:49:43] motion for the mayor to sign the CPR
[1:49:45] contract with for a uh for AAP,
[1:49:49] uh, the pickle bar pickle ball, not the
[1:49:52] pickle bar, the pickle ball courts.
[1:49:54] >> I'll make a motion.
[1:49:56] >> Okay. Council member L with the motion.
[1:49:58] Council member John's with the second.
[1:50:00] Did I hear that right? our our elite
[1:50:03] pickle ball team is making a motion
[1:50:05] here.
[1:50:06] >> Council member Jones,
[1:50:08] >> yes.
[1:50:08] >> Council member Hutchkins,
[1:50:10] >> yes.
[1:50:11] >> Council member Lent,
[1:50:12] >> yes.
[1:50:13] >> Council member Rhoden,
[1:50:14] >> yes.
[1:50:14] >> Council member Malovich,
[1:50:15] >> yes.
[1:50:16] >> Got to keep you guys on your toes, you
[1:50:18] know,
[1:50:18] >> before they change their mind.
[1:50:20] >> Exactly. Um, okay. Approval of the
[1:50:24] April 2026 financials and check
[1:50:27] dispersements.
[1:50:29] Motion.
[1:50:30] >> Council member Johns with the motion.
[1:50:32] >> I'll second.
[1:50:32] >> Council member Rooden with the second.
[1:50:34] Council member Johns.
[1:50:36] >> Yes.
[1:50:37] >> Council member Lunt.
[1:50:38] >> Yes.
[1:50:38] >> Council member Hutchings.
[1:50:40] >> Yes.
[1:50:41] >> Council member Malovich.
[1:50:42] >> Yes.
[1:50:43] >> Council member Rhoden.
[1:50:44] >> Yes.
[1:50:45] >> Okay. That motion passes as well. Uh
[1:50:47] resolution 2026-38
[1:50:51] adopting the 2026 2027 fiscal year
[1:50:55] budget. I know we have a few discussion
[1:50:57] questions.
[1:50:59] Uh yeah, I I wasn't able to be part of
[1:51:02] kind of the final discussions last
[1:51:03] council meeting, but uh a couple things
[1:51:06] that came up. We're we're increasing
[1:51:08] mayor and council wages by about 10K for
[1:51:11] this upcoming year.
[1:51:12] >> Mhm.
[1:51:13] >> Um so I just wanted to see what the
[1:51:15] final conversations were about that.
[1:51:19] >> Uh yes. So that total number would be uh
[1:51:22] 25,200.
[1:51:24] >> Okay.
[1:51:27] So that roughly is around
[1:51:30] what is that 18 - 25 so 7,000
[1:51:35] >> 7,000ish.
[1:51:41] » Yeah. Um
[1:51:42] >> none of us said a whole lot. Yeah, I was
[1:51:44] going to say
[1:51:45] >> none of us said a whole lot about it. We
[1:51:48] >> in my mind it's it's still not much. Um
[1:51:52] it's just more like a little stipen to
[1:51:54] cover you know your expenses. none of us
[1:51:57] are doing it for that tiny little
[1:51:58] paycheck. And but I do think for future
[1:52:02] candidates, I think it's helpful
[1:52:04] because,
[1:52:06] you know, if if you're spending money
[1:52:09] out of your own family's coffers to
[1:52:11] serve and do this job, um that may limit
[1:52:15] a lot of people, good people who um
[1:52:17] could run and fill the seat. And I feel
[1:52:21] like there, you know, our expenses
[1:52:22] should be covered. And so I don't think
[1:52:25] any of us oppose it, but none of us are
[1:52:26] also none of us are like spearheading it
[1:52:29] or
[1:52:29] >> Yeah. Yeah.
[1:52:30] >> Well, I spoke with a former council
[1:52:32] member who was on the council, I believe
[1:52:36] four or five mayors ago. Um, and the
[1:52:40] wages are the same. Um, so I think there
[1:52:43] is a degree of it it should increase
[1:52:48] with just inflation if nothing else. Um,
[1:52:52] but also like I agree with what Janet
[1:52:54] said. Um, we need to to make sure it's something to at least try and cover
[1:53:02] the costs. You know, it barely covers
[1:53:04] campaigning costs, but
[1:53:05] >> it's still not something that's going to
[1:53:07] attract people to run. They're not going
[1:53:09] to run because of this stipen. Like,
[1:53:12] nobody's going to do that, right? It's
[1:53:14] But we also don't want good people to
[1:53:17] not run because they can't afford you
[1:53:21] know, to pay for things out of their own
[1:53:22] pocket to be able to serve. So that's my standing on it.
[1:53:26] >> Well, I think we are the lowest in the
[1:53:28] state.
[1:53:30] I think it
[1:53:30] >> not if you listen to some of our
[1:53:31] citizens.
[1:53:33] >> If you look at it from the standpoint of
[1:53:35] you know our kind of size because if you
[1:53:38] look at you know go or some of these are
[1:53:42] much smaller towns but I think when it
[1:53:45] comes to cities we are at the bottom if
[1:53:48] not
[1:53:48] >> we still have to travel to all the same
[1:53:51] meetings.
[1:53:52] >> Yes.
[1:53:52] >> Still have to pay the same gas.
[1:53:54] >> What does your gas bill feel like right
[1:53:56] now? Mhm. It's a lot.
[1:53:58] >> Council member John's, I do want to note
[1:54:00] that there will be a public hearing
[1:54:03] scheduled for um June 9th where that the
[1:54:08] public can comment on the compensation
[1:54:10] as well.
[1:54:11] >> Okay. So, so that doesn't
[1:54:13] >> wages will be in that public hearing.
[1:54:15] >> Okay, that's good. So, so it's not like
[1:54:17] this automatically becomes a you know a
[1:54:20] pool to pull from. That's that's the big
[1:54:22] thing is I don't want it to seem like a
[1:54:25] self-serving
[1:54:27] approval. You know what I mean? So,
[1:54:29] >> right. People if they want to think that
[1:54:31] they still will.
[1:54:31] >> Yeah, they will. And and I'm okay with
[1:54:33] that. I just like I said, I just wanted
[1:54:36] to know. I mean, I'm just erring stuff
[1:54:38] out because it's just what I do. So,
[1:54:40] >> no, no, I think it's good and and it it
[1:54:43] for people that are listening, it's good
[1:54:44] to
[1:54:45] >> to be stated.
[1:54:48] >> Um, my other Steve
[1:54:50] >> Yeah. Sorry. I I agree with you. Um the
[1:54:53] one thing I'd like to point out is I I
[1:54:56] see the mayor's role uh becoming more
[1:54:59] and more every year as I've sat through
[1:55:02] council and as I became a council
[1:55:04] member, I do see the mayor's role in the
[1:55:06] executive side um needing an increase
[1:55:10] just because of the amount of time that
[1:55:11] they're putting in. And I and I get that
[1:55:13] as on the council are as well. I'm I'm
[1:55:16] actually against raising the council
[1:55:18] wages. Um, but I'm not going to stop a
[1:55:21] budget because of that because I I agree
[1:55:23] with everything else in the budget. And
[1:55:25] I think it's a a give and take type of
[1:55:27] thing. But I agree with the other raises
[1:55:31] that are are put in. And and again,
[1:55:33] yeah, I know that there's going to be a public hearing. Um, but uh I do want
[1:55:38] to point out that that I don't agree.
[1:55:41] Um, I think that the council as as a
[1:55:44] whole, I think we are better off having
[1:55:48] the people who want to do it. Um, I
[1:55:51] don't think that there should be a a a a
[1:55:54] money incentive there. I think the mayor
[1:55:56] actually does quite a bit. Um, I've
[1:55:58] watched through the last few mayors and
[1:56:00] seen what they put into it and I think
[1:56:02] that that does need to increase. Um,
[1:56:04] just just so my thoughts are heard out
[1:56:06] there as well. Um, I actually disagree
[1:56:08] with with raising the council wages.
[1:56:11] >> Well, and I think too, Brian, you don't
[1:56:13] want it to be an incentive, the the pay
[1:56:16] to be an incentive to run, but you also
[1:56:18] don't want the lack of pay to be an
[1:56:20] incentive not to run. Uh, we need good
[1:56:23] people who will serve our community and
[1:56:26] not feel, I mean, that their family has
[1:56:30] to supplement the city budget because
[1:56:33] they've they're already paying taxes as
[1:56:35] well. And so I think there is a balance
[1:56:37] there to make sure that good people will
[1:56:40] step forward and um recognizing that
[1:56:44] most of the expenses that we each
[1:56:45] individually have that we cover
[1:56:47] ourselves. Um but so we don't want it to
[1:56:50] be a deterrent and we don't want it to
[1:56:51] be an incentive and there's a fine line
[1:56:53] there.
[1:56:57] » Thank you.
[1:56:59] >> Anything else?
[1:57:00] >> So sorry. Do you care if I
[1:57:02] >> please?
[1:57:03] >> I've got four questions in total, so it
[1:57:05] won't be long, but uh um 414100
[1:57:10] admin salaries and wages.
[1:57:12] >> Yes.
[1:57:12] >> So
[1:57:14] after after losing Chris on that, we're
[1:57:17] still increasing that budget about 50k.
[1:57:20] >> Mhm.
[1:57:21] >> Um
[1:57:22] >> so I just wanted to get a little more
[1:57:24] insight on that. I mean, I know we've
[1:57:25] got our breakdowns and we're talking
[1:57:27] about pay increases for staff. I just
[1:57:29] wanted to know how that offset with
[1:57:31] Chris leaving.
[1:57:33] >> Great question. Um, and I and I that's a
[1:57:36] perfect question. I want you to go with
[1:57:40] me to
[1:57:43] um
[1:57:47] uh let's go to 4110.100.
[1:57:57] And it should be streets wages
[1:58:07] » 44 sorry 4410
[1:58:10] >> should be in roads.
[1:58:12] >> Okay. Yeah.
[1:58:13] >> Helps when I give you the right number.
[1:58:14] Sorry.
[1:58:15] >> Okay. So so that has effectively just
[1:58:17] rolled up into that category at this
[1:58:19] point.
[1:58:19] >> Yes. And that will be one of our issues
[1:58:21] when we're looking at the
[1:58:23] year-over-year,
[1:58:24] >> okay?
[1:58:24] >> Cuz you'll also see snow plowing wages
[1:58:27] will stay the same. Um, parks salaries
[1:58:31] and wages is also going from 11,000 to
[1:58:34] zero. Um, so basically what I did is it
[1:58:38] used to be extrapolated over those three
[1:58:40] different funds within the general fund
[1:58:43] and I said it's it's too confusing. So,
[1:58:46] I eliminated all of those line line
[1:58:48] items and brought them all just to that
[1:58:51] in admin. So, while it does look like
[1:58:54] we're going from $175,000
[1:58:56] to 212,000,
[1:58:59] there's actually $120,000
[1:59:02] decrease in essence because you'll also
[1:59:05] see a $30,000 or $15,000 or 12,000 what
[1:59:09] I don't have the exact numbers here in
[1:59:11] this spreadsheet for our new bookkeeper.
[1:59:15] Um, so that's why we went from the
[1:59:17] 150,000 is now no longer on that.
[1:59:21] >> So she'll be in wages. She's not a
[1:59:23] contract.
[1:59:24] >> She is a contract. So she actually shows
[1:59:27] up in um
[1:59:30] uh one of the prof the professional
[1:59:33] services.
[1:59:34] >> Okay. And so in that 120
[1:59:38] you know net um delta deduction does
[1:59:43] that account for the discussion about
[1:59:46] pay increase for the staff?
[1:59:48] >> Uh so there is a decrease of that number
[1:59:52] >> per the wage increases. So I believe
[1:59:56] >> when we ran the numbers it was what
[1:59:58] $80,000 still savings
[2:00:01] >> a little bit more than that because we
[2:00:02] still had health insurance savings,
[2:00:05] retirement savings where it decreases.
[2:00:10] » Okay. But um Charlene is in admin
[2:00:15] professional wages for salary or hourly
[2:00:19] rate is um calculated there.
[2:00:22] >> Okay. So that's at 4141.35.
[2:00:25] >> Beautiful. Um and then city repairs and sorry two more. City city repairs.
[2:00:32] Um we're up about 120.
[2:00:35] >> Um and I know we talked about several
[2:00:37] projects um several allocations, but I
[2:00:40] just wanted to see what uh what kind of
[2:00:43] the final big projects were that that
[2:00:46] went into that 120k number.
[2:00:50] >> Great question. Okay. So what that was
[2:00:54] um was we did let me make sure
[2:00:58] cuz I'm looking at that
[2:01:00] >> 4141 649.
[2:01:02] >> So 649 that is a a rekeying of the
[2:01:04] building with actually will now come out
[2:01:06] of this uh this year not next year's but
[2:01:10] that's also a repainting of the inside
[2:01:13] of the city center at 10,000. Um that is
[2:01:16] additional landscaping at the city
[2:01:18] building at 5,000.
[2:01:21] um flooring options for half of the
[2:01:23] building potentially.
[2:01:25] Um that is
[2:01:29] some
[2:01:30] replacing the two fridges a fridge.
[2:01:34] Um that's some HVAC work. So basically
[2:01:38] the building is hitting around that 15
[2:01:41] years 15 years old 12 years old
[2:01:43] something like that.
[2:01:45] >> 14 years old. So
[2:01:46] >> it was 14 this month.
[2:01:48] >> Protective glass things like that. That
[2:01:50] is that stuff part of Okay,
[2:01:52] >> that was the next one.
[2:01:53] >> So, kind of the things that we talked
[2:01:54] about in our budget meeting, there
[2:01:55] wasn't anything out outside of that that
[2:01:58] >> the only thing that jumped was this wall
[2:02:01] right here on the exterior.
[2:02:03] >> Oh, the Yeah.
[2:02:04] >> Um, it had been allocated at around
[2:02:07] 15,000 and it's looking like it'll be
[2:02:10] closer to what was it? 31.
[2:02:12] >> 31. And that also takes into
[2:02:14] consideration repainting the outside um
[2:02:18] doing the eaves and the dormers where
[2:02:21] it's been coming apart.
[2:02:23] >> It's multiple places
[2:02:24] >> and making repairs.
[2:02:25] >> When we had this bid
[2:02:28] uh this entire side of the building is
[2:02:31] extremely compromised from the exterior.
[2:02:33] So there's OSB replacement in there.
[2:02:36] >> Okay.
[2:02:37] >> The damage is quite extensive.
[2:02:39] >> Okay.
[2:02:40] No, that that's great. I
[2:02:41] appreciate that. Um,
[2:02:45] and then my my last question on the
[2:02:47] budget was PTR was about 150 and I'm not
[2:02:50] sure if that accounts for some of the
[2:02:53] grant matching that that sort of thing.
[2:02:57] >> That is where the pickle ball court
[2:02:58] lives.
[2:02:59] >> Okay, great. Okay, so sorry. Thank you
[2:03:03] for letting me ask those questions. Now,
[2:03:06] >> I I am always happy to have any budget
[2:03:09] questions.
[2:03:11] Any
[2:03:14] other questions from anybody?
[2:03:16] Okay, then I'll accept a motion. Mayor,
[2:03:19] >> yes.
[2:03:20] >> Did you cover the consent agenda?
[2:03:23] >> I don't have any consent agenda item.
[2:03:28] >> Okay, you got removed then.
[2:03:30] >> Yeah.
[2:03:30] >> Okay.
[2:03:31] >> Sorry.
[2:03:32] >> Nope. You're good.
[2:03:33] >> I'll move to approve the or approve the
[2:03:36] resolution for the budget.
[2:03:38] >> Okay. Okay. Council member Jones with a
[2:03:40] motion.
[2:03:41] >> I'll second.
[2:03:42] >> Council member Malovich with a second.
[2:03:44] Council member Hutchkins.
[2:03:46] >> Yes.
[2:03:47] >> Council member Lunt.
[2:03:48] >> Yes.
[2:03:49] >> Council member Malovich.
[2:03:50] >> Yes.
[2:03:51] >> Council member John's.
[2:03:52] >> Yes.
[2:03:52] >> Council member Rhoden.
[2:03:54] >> Yes.
[2:03:55] >> Okay. That motion passes. Passes. Um I do have a few things that I'd like
[2:04:01] to discuss um concerning uh uh potential
[2:04:06] legal um issues. um to go into close
[2:04:10] session. So, if I can get a motion, we
[2:04:12] will go into close session.
[2:04:13] >> I'll motion.
[2:04:14] >> I'll second.
[2:04:15] >> Council member Malovich with the motion
[2:04:17] and council member Lunt with the second.
[2:04:20] Um Council Member Malovich,
[2:04:22] >> yes.
[2:04:22] >> Council member Jones,
[2:04:23] >> yes.
[2:04:24] >> Council member Hutchkins,
[2:04:26] >> yes.
[2:04:27] >> Council member Rhoden,
[2:04:28] >> yes.
[2:04:28] >> Council member Lent,
[2:04:30] >> yep.
[2:04:30] >> Okay, then we are going to head into
[2:04:35] uh close session. those online, uh,
[2:04:38] Diana, Sherry, and Dorl, thank you so
[2:04:40] much for joining us. Um,
[2:04:43] >> we appreciate your participation.
[2:04:56] » Okay, we are uh we are back from close
[2:04:59] session. Do I have a motion to adjurnn?
[2:05:01] >> So moved.
[2:05:02] >> Okay, we are adjourned.
[2:05:04] >> Thank you, everybody.