[0:03] Everyone knows
[0:11] it. Then you get what you want. Then you
[0:12] have to
[0:12] >> It'll take some more tweaking, too. But
[0:14] it's easy.
[0:15] >> It's not hard work. It's just
[0:18] >> I would like to start uh the work
[0:21] session of our city council meeting for
[0:23] July 14th, 2026.
[0:27] >> Well, this is part of it. So, well,
[0:29] you're right. We'll start though with a
[0:31] public hearing. Uh, this is for a
[0:33] proposed revisions to the amended 2025
[0:35] 2026 fiscal year budget.
[0:39] Do I have anybody? It doesn't look like
[0:40] I have anybody online.
[0:43] Do I have anybody here that is desiring
[0:45] to speak?
[0:47] Former council member Dorl,
[0:49] >> you're good.
[0:50] >> Thanks.
[0:51] >> Perfect.
[0:52] >> Thanks for being here, Dorl. Then we
[0:54] will close the public hearing and we'll
[0:56] move to the work session. Um we're going
[0:59] to start uh from you just you said Mike.
[1:03] >> Yeah. I will Josh and Mike
[1:05] >> pick this off and then run us through
[1:07] it.
[1:07] >> Okay. We're going to start with a
[1:08] training from our city insurance the
[1:11] Utah Local Government Trust.
[1:13] >> Okay. Do I need to like
[1:15] >> come and join us right here. Um if you
[1:17] can just
[1:17] >> Sounds good at the party table.
[1:19] >> You got you got to dance out there.
[1:21] >> Awesome. just state your name for the
[1:23] record um and then carry on.
[1:25] >> Sounds good. My name is Josh McCuel. I
[1:27] am the risk finance consultant from the
[1:29] Utah Local Government's Trust that is
[1:31] assigned to Utah County. Mike Stag is
[1:34] with me. Mike is your assigned risk
[1:36] manager, but he is also the risk manager
[1:39] um manager. He manages our risk
[1:41] management department, our loss
[1:42] prevention department. And I talked to
[1:45] the mayor last week about doing a
[1:48] training and we are the training that
[1:51] Mike is going to go over with you is is
[1:52] a popular training right now. It's much
[1:55] needed. Um he's been doing it with other
[1:58] entities as well. But before he gets
[2:00] started, I just wanted to do a quick
[2:01] introduction of the Utah Local
[2:03] Government's Trust. So we are what's
[2:06] known as a public agency insurance
[2:08] mutual. We were created under an
[2:12] interlocal. So there's lots of local
[2:14] government interlocals throughout the
[2:15] state and that's exactly what we are. So
[2:18] we are here to serve our members. Our
[2:21] members are they own the trust and each
[2:24] member has equity shareholder stake in
[2:27] the trust as well. So we are a
[2:28] government entity. Um we're not set up
[2:31] necessarily as a nonprofit but we are
[2:32] not out for profit. We are just designed
[2:36] to have reserves in place but also serve
[2:39] our membership and insurance is
[2:41] certainly one of the most important
[2:44] things that we do if not the most
[2:45] important but our bigger focus is on
[2:47] risk management. So that's kind of where
[2:52] we fit and one of the reasons that we
[2:54] have become very popular with cities. We
[2:57] ensure about 91% of the cities and towns
[3:00] across the state of Utah and we really value this relationship. Um we've
[3:07] done the insurance for Wooden Hills for
[3:08] years and
[3:10] we feel very good about your leadership
[3:13] team and we look forward to working with
[3:15] you guys probably a little bit more
[3:17] closely than we have in the past
[3:19] honestly. And um we're here to help you
[3:21] guys however you need it. But before I
[3:23] turn it over to Mike, if anyone has
[3:26] questions or would like to clarify
[3:28] anything, we're happy to address that as
[3:30] well.
[3:32] Okay, Mike. Excellent. I'm going to get
[3:36] hooked up here. Hopefully, this will
[3:38] work for me as we as I share this with
[3:40] y'all. Um,
[3:49] » you just share them through the Zooms
[3:50] itself.
[3:51] >> Yeah. Try
[3:57] say we didn't have questions because we
[3:58] didn't know what to ask, but we might
[4:00] have
[4:01] >> question might have it afterwards.
[4:03] >> Yeah.
[4:05] >> And Mike, will you be sending us these
[4:06] slides afterwards?
[4:07] >> Yes, I can absolutely do that.
[4:09] >> That would be great.
[4:11] >> All right. Um Mike Stack, I'm from Utah
[4:15] Government's Trust. Like Josh said, um I
[4:18] am the I'm the loss prevention manager
[4:20] there, but I'm also your assigned risk
[4:21] manager. So there's myself and and
[4:24] another gentleman, his name is Jason,
[4:25] who you saw on the screen there with the
[4:27] lots of hair. That's not me.
[4:29] And he oversees kind of northern Utah um
[4:33] all the way, you know, down south uh to
[4:35] the southeastern part of the state. And
[4:37] I kind of do everything really Utah
[4:40] County and south west Utah all the way
[4:43] down to the southern part of the state
[4:44] down St. George Washington County area.
[4:47] Um, and this is some of the stuff that I love to do is come and train and do some presentations. And this is
[4:55] stuff that I'm happy to do for the
[4:56] council. I'm happy to do it for your uh your employees. Um, we have a
[5:02] lot of training that that we do. And
[5:03] that's that's one of my main
[5:04] responsibilities is is training,
[5:06] consultations, and uh risk visits and
[5:09] management risk management visits, that
[5:11] kind of stuff. Um, so if the council or
[5:13] the mayor is ever interested in things
[5:15] like that, you can let me know and I'm
[5:17] more than happy to to come and do some
[5:19] of this stuff for you. Um, but this one
[5:21] here is is one that that when Josh asked
[5:24] me to come and present, he asked, you
[5:26] know, what could we talk about? Um, and
[5:29] this was part of the conversation with
[5:32] the mayor is, you know, some of this
[5:34] stuff is is really relevant right now,
[5:37] especially fraud and cyber security type
[5:39] things. So, I wanted to spend about 15
[5:41] to 20 minutes with you, if that's okay.
[5:43] Um, just going through some of the
[5:46] things that we've seen and some of the
[5:47] things that we can do as public
[5:49] officials to make sure that we're as
[5:51] protected as possible here at the city.
[5:53] Okay. Um, why does fraud prevention
[5:56] really matter? Well, because public
[5:58] trust is the foundation of effective
[5:59] government. Any kind of fraud within the
[6:02] organization is going to divert funds
[6:04] away from services and projects that you
[6:06] might want to do and accomplish. whether
[6:08] that's, you know, the fraud of money
[6:11] being siphoned out of your bank account
[6:14] or it's the cost of fighting the crime,
[6:17] right? And so we want to make sure that
[6:19] we're doing everything we can to to
[6:21] prevent fraud in our organizations. And
[6:23] that fraud is comes in all shapes and
[6:25] forms. Any kind of fraud though is going
[6:27] to is going to damage reputation. You
[6:29] guys probably know this better than than
[6:31] most is any kind of fraud within an
[6:34] organization within a person is really
[6:37] going to damage that reputation and that
[6:40] reputation is going to linger for a long
[6:42] time. And really the biggest punishment
[6:45] here is the process when you go through
[6:47] it. The punishment is the process and
[6:49] going through and talking with lawyers
[6:51] and getting documentation and all that
[6:53] kind of stuff. in
[6:55] >> that is the main punishment for a public
[6:59] official is going through all of the all
[7:02] of the back and forth and all the
[7:04] headache that comes with fraud when it
[7:06] happens. Okay. Um as you look at fraud,
[7:09] we look at what we call the fraud
[7:11] triangle. Now there's three parts to the
[7:13] fraud triangle. We have opportunity,
[7:14] pressure, and rational rationalization.
[7:16] opportunity. Really, this is an employee
[7:19] or a member of the public or somebody
[7:21] who because of a lack of controls, they
[7:24] have an opportunity to create something
[7:26] that couldn't be there before. senior
[7:28] management isn't watching. Whether
[7:30] that's a a department head that's not
[7:33] watching, a an individual, whether
[7:35] that's just a supervisor or a line level
[7:37] employee having perceived assurance that
[7:40] they can do this and never be caught or
[7:45] a council member do something and never
[7:49] be caught doing it because of the
[7:51] position that you're in. Um, other
[7:53] things that we look at is pressure.
[7:56] pressured because of financial pressure
[7:59] at home. They've got something going on
[8:02] that they need that they feel that they
[8:04] need. You know, I need to do this
[8:07] because I've got to provide for my
[8:08] family. I'm not making enough money and
[8:12] they're going to come take my house away
[8:13] because of poor decisions I've made or
[8:15] this that or the other thing. So, I've
[8:17] got to do something. So, I'm under
[8:19] immense pressure. Addiction is another
[8:22] one. And we're talking like addiction to
[8:23] gambling, addiction to purchasing big
[8:28] expensive items, things like that, or
[8:30] living outside of your means. I have a
[8:32] cousin of mine who unfortunately fell
[8:34] into what we what they called financial
[8:37] addiction. Um he was a he was an auditor
[8:40] for for Davis County. Um, and he would
[8:45] go on the weekends, unbeknownst to his
[8:48] wife, to anybody else, and head out to
[8:50] Wendover and just blow everything. Like
[8:53] drained his 401k and just blew a ton of
[8:56] money. And then he started to think, "Oh
[8:58] my gosh, I've got to make this back now.
[9:00] Like, if my wife finds out that I've
[9:02] emptied our bank accounts and my 401k is
[9:04] dead, like I'm I'm toast." And so what
[9:07] did he do?
[9:07] >> Gamble.
[9:09] >> Gambled more. It's exactly right. First
[9:12] off, what he did is he started siphoning
[9:14] some off the top at Davis County um and
[9:18] started to take a little bit off, take a
[9:20] little bit off, budge some numbers here
[9:22] a little bit, transfer some things
[9:23] around in his position as an auditor.
[9:27] Then he blew all that too. And then he
[9:30] thought, "Oh man, now I'm in real deep
[9:31] trouble because now if I get caught at
[9:33] work, I'm probably going to jail." So
[9:34] what's the next thing he did? Robbed a
[9:36] couple of banks.
[9:38] >> Wow.
[9:39] >> Yeah,
[9:40] >> that is crazy. escalated quickly.
[9:43] >> It's not where I thought you were going.
[9:44] >> Yeah. So, then he robs a couple of
[9:46] banks, uh, one in Farmington and one in
[9:49] Cisville,
[9:50] and then he got caught. Then he spent
[9:53] the next 12 years of his life in in a
[9:56] federal federal penitentiary because of
[9:58] aggravated robbery.
[10:01] It's these pressure things that people
[10:04] feel that give opportunity. And when we
[10:08] present the opportunity to somebody who
[10:10] is having that pressure, that's
[10:13] especially when fraud can happen.
[10:17] >> The interest, right? It uses all these
[10:18] extra debt.
[10:20] >> Do you have a question? Sorry.
[10:21] >> No, I was just going to say I worked in
[10:22] banking for 10 years and my boss used to
[10:24] say if you give somebody enough need,
[10:26] enough time and opportunity, they will
[10:29] steal from you.
[10:29] >> They will steal from you. That's right.
[10:33] >> All right. So when the sub routine
[10:35] compounds the interest, right, it uses
[10:37] all these extra decimal places that just
[10:39] get rounded off. So we simplified the
[10:41] whole thing and we just we round them
[10:43] all down and just drop the remainder
[10:45] into an account that we opened.
[10:49] >> So you're stealing.
[10:51] >> Uh no, no, you don't understand. It's uh
[10:54] it's very complicated. It's uh it's it's
[10:57] aggregate. So I'm talking about
[10:58] fractions of a penny here. And uh over
[11:01] time they add up to a lot.
[11:04] >> Oh, okay. So, you're going to make a lot
[11:06] of money, right?
[11:07] >> Yeah.
[11:08] >> Right. It's not yours.
[11:10] >> Uh well, it it becomes ours.
[11:12] >> How is that not stealing?
[11:17] » How's that not stealing?
[11:20] Okay. Rationalization is then where we
[11:23] get to is I'll pay it back when I can.
[11:26] This isn't stealing. I deserve this. I
[11:29] deserve this pay raise. It's for a good
[11:32] reason. I'm gonna go and put food on my
[11:34] kids' table. I'm gonna have to I'm gonna
[11:36] pay my bills so my kids can have
[11:38] somewhere to live. I'm only going to do
[11:41] it once. I'm just going to do it one
[11:42] time and then I'm going to be done and
[11:45] then I'll pay it back later.
[11:48] That's that fraud triangle we we look
[11:50] at. And that's a lot of the
[11:54] instances that we see at the trust where
[11:56] we've seen fraud happen because there's
[11:59] been opportunities, there's been
[12:00] pressure and then they try and
[12:02] rationalize it away to say this is what
[12:05] I can do. Some common government fraud
[12:07] schemes that we've seen payroll
[12:08] manipulation, okay, procurement vendor
[12:11] fraud, expense reimbursements, misuse of
[12:14] assets, IT and data fraud. And these are
[12:17] all just little examples of things that
[12:19] we've seen at the trust of a fraud claim
[12:23] from within a city. And these are things
[12:26] that we want to want to avoid.
[12:32] » Utah is the fraud capital of the US.
[12:36] >> Do do you believe that?
[12:38] >> You think that's true?
[12:40] >> It's on the news. It must be. It must be
[12:42] because in Utah, in Utah, we're good
[12:45] people, right? We're we're good people
[12:48] here. You guys are good people.
[12:49] Council's good people. Mayor's good
[12:51] people. We work with good people. We're
[12:53] trusting people. Okay.
[12:55] >> That's what gets us.
[12:56] >> Exactly. Because sometimes we're a
[12:58] little bit dumb.
[13:00] We trust too much.
[13:02] >> I think that's probably shifted to
[13:03] either California or Minnesota.
[13:06] >> That's very true.
[13:07] >> Just just that's a little outdated. Just
[13:09] >> might have been the state that got
[13:12] caught the most.
[13:12] >> Think that got caught the most.
[13:14] >> But now, maybe not so much.
[13:17] >> Okay, because we think sometimes we're
[13:20] immune to this. We're never going to
[13:22] fall prey to this. People aren't going
[13:25] to take advantage of us. PT Barnum, this
[13:29] quotes attributed to PT Barnum, but
[13:30] really no one really knows where it came
[13:32] from. Says, "There's a sucker born every
[13:34] minute."
[13:35] We don't want to be the sucker. We don't
[13:37] want to be that sucker that's born every
[13:38] minute.
[13:39] >> Done. Step one, spoof his number so it
[13:42] looks like he's calling from inside the
[13:43] company and then call tech support.
[13:45] >> Hello. You there?
[13:47] >> Hello.
[13:48] >> Hi, this is Ken. How may I help you?
[13:49] >> I was wondering if uh you can uh take a
[13:52] look at a website I'm trying to get to.
[13:53] It's for a big customer thing I'm
[13:55] working on for Monday and uh I can't
[13:56] seem to get to the website from my
[13:57] computer.
[13:58] >> Sure. Uh what's website? I'll see if I
[14:00] can get to it.
[14:00] >> Thanks, man. I really appreciate the
[14:01] help. I mean, it could be a stupid
[14:03] thing. I'm I'm I'm really suck
[14:04] computers, but uh so it's uh it's it's www.servey.
[14:09] That's uh s urve vy-pro.com.
[14:15] » Yeah, I got a prompt to open. I just
[14:17] clicked open and I'm at the site now.
[14:19] >> Here's what the IT guy doesn't realize.
[14:21] By clicking that link, he's just given
[14:23] David full access to his computer.
[14:25] >> Whoa. Okay, that's weird. I just hit it
[14:27] and it works. It seems like it's working
[14:28] fine now. Awesome. I don't know what you
[14:29] did, man, but I really appreciate the
[14:30] help.
[14:31] >> Hey, no problem. That was easy.
[14:33] >> That was it.
[14:34] >> We're on his computer right now. You
[14:36] were able to take take over this this
[14:39] guy's computer within I would say like
[14:41] under two minutes.
[14:42] >> Under two minutes. Yeah. Under two
[14:43] minutes. Took over his entire computer.
[14:44] And and think of it as not just his
[14:46] computer, but it's pretty much a
[14:47] downfall of the entire company.
[14:48] >> In this case, the company was paying
[14:50] David to hack them.
[14:55] » People should worry about cyber
[14:56] security. We really should. We should
[14:59] worry about cyber security because you
[15:01] see just from that little clip how easy
[15:03] it was. two minutes for somebody to call
[15:06] and say, "Hey, I need you to do this for
[15:08] me. Click this link. Go to this website
[15:11] and take care of it for me so I can get
[15:13] into my systems."
[15:15] >> How easy was it? Yeah.
[15:16] >> Are you finding that there's an increase
[15:18] now that AI can duplicate a person's
[15:21] voice like any of ours?
[15:23] >> Yes.
[15:23] >> Um and then make a call and it would
[15:25] actually be our voice on there, but not
[15:27] us. So, how do you guys recommend that
[15:30] we would combat that? Not that it's
[15:31] happened to us personally yet that we
[15:33] know of, but how how are you seeing as
[15:36] risk management to help protect against
[15:38] those types of things?
[15:40] >> That is a fantastic question because we
[15:42] are seeing a lot of deep fake AI type
[15:43] things come coming through. Faking
[15:45] voices, faking even faces, right? How do
[15:49] you combat that? Well, it's being
[15:52] vigilant and it's trusting people but
[15:56] then verifying. Ronald Reagan said that,
[15:58] right? Trust but verify. And it's if
[16:01] something smells fishy, it probably is.
[16:04] If something looks a little strange, if
[16:06] this isn't out of the if this is out of
[16:08] the ordinary from Carrie to ask me to do
[16:11] something like this or to sh transfer
[16:14] this much money over for some gift
[16:16] cards, but don't tell anybody you're
[16:17] doing this because we want to be a
[16:18] surprise to the mayor. Okay. That's the
[16:21] kind of stuff. That's the kind of
[16:23] >> it's not your budget.
[16:25] >> We've seen that.
[16:26] >> Yeah,
[16:26] >> we've seen that happen. Can I I just
[16:28] want to make one point too. Your
[16:29] infrastructure isn't the only
[16:30] infrastructure you should be worried
[16:32] about, too. A lot of vendors that cities
[16:35] use. We've seen the vendors become
[16:38] compromised. And when the vendor becomes
[16:40] compromised, these hackers have access
[16:42] to their mail server. And then they can
[16:44] start following along between a
[16:46] conversation that someone at the city's
[16:47] having with the vendor and they can
[16:50] slide right in and say, "Hey, your first
[16:53] payment is due for this project that we
[16:55] were working on. can you please remit
[16:57] the payment to this account number? And
[17:00] so even though there is AI voice and all
[17:02] this different things, we strongly
[17:05] recommend that you have someone in the
[17:07] city that has a good relationship with
[17:08] the vendor and that you're building that
[17:10] relationship, you're becoming very
[17:11] familiar and that that person can then
[17:14] call to verify. So if you have somebody
[17:16] that can call and verify whoever the
[17:18] project managers or the vendor before
[17:20] any payments made, even if it you feel
[17:22] like it really is coming from them, that
[17:24] phone call will make the biggest
[17:25] difference. Yeah,
[17:26] >> because you can touch base with them and
[17:27] see there was about $1.2 million
[17:31] 1.4 at a member in Utah County and it
[17:36] could have been completely avoided by
[17:39] one phone call.
[17:41] >> And what it was was just like Josh was
[17:43] saying and a contractor hacked a or
[17:47] excuse me, the bad guys hacked a
[17:49] contractor's email, called the city and
[17:51] said, "You owe us this money for this
[17:53] project that we haven't been paid for.
[17:55] just send it to this other account
[17:56] because obviously the other one's not
[17:58] working. And so without a question, they
[18:00] thought, "Oh, you know what? That work
[18:01] has been done. Let's send it."
[18:04] >> They knew right when the project was
[18:05] wrapping up because they were following
[18:07] the email thread.
[18:08] >> So yeah,
[18:11] >> and we should we should worry about
[18:13] cyber security, but it's usually much
[18:15] simpler than just cyber security.
[18:18] >> Let me I have a few questions for you.
[18:20] Could I get into any one of your
[18:22] buildings? Could I go right now?
[18:24] >> This is our building.
[18:26] >> Yes.
[18:26] >> Could I Could I get in this building?
[18:28] >> Yes.
[18:29] >> Yeah, I could. I could get in this
[18:30] building. Okay. I already have. Be
[18:33] honest. Because we can other member
[18:36] entities. I know where there's back
[18:38] doors that are propped open because it's
[18:41] hot in there and the public works worker
[18:43] doesn't want to be working in the
[18:45] sweltering heat and so they leave it
[18:46] propped open just a little bit. I can
[18:48] tell you one thing. When I pulled in
[18:50] today, I just wanted to see. I pulled
[18:52] along the road here and instead of
[18:54] turning in this park turning up this
[18:56] parking lot that's right here. I pulled
[18:58] in right here where this garage door is.
[19:00] That garage door was wide open. Nobody
[19:02] sitting there.
[19:04] >> It's easy to get in.
[19:06] >> Okay.
[19:07] >> I actually noticed that.
[19:09] >> We had a sniper waiting for
[19:11] >> just in case.
[19:12] >> I noticed actually.
[19:15] >> Did I get into one of your emails? Do
[19:17] you know how common of a name Mike is?
[19:20] You know how many times I've been copied
[19:22] on an email on an email thread to a
[19:25] vendor, to council members, to mayors
[19:28] that I shouldn't have been just because
[19:30] my name's Mike and they start typing in
[19:32] Mike in their email and it autofills an
[19:34] email in and there I am. I'm in this
[19:38] email thread that I never should have
[19:40] been in. Now I take those and I delete
[19:42] them or I let the council or the mayor,
[19:44] whoever copy me on that notes, hey, you
[19:46] got the wrong mic here. But if I'm a bad
[19:48] guy, want to do bad things, I can get
[19:50] into those emails super quick and all of
[19:52] a sudden, like Josh was saying, find
[19:54] myself on an email chain about a payment
[19:57] request that I could take advantage of.
[19:59] It's one of those things that we need to
[20:01] make sure that we're educating our
[20:03] employees and being especially prepared
[20:07] for so that we don't become one of these
[20:10] other one of these statistics that we're
[20:12] talking about because that's called
[20:14] fraud.
[20:16] These things are fraud. Could I go out
[20:18] and steal one of your vehicles without
[20:20] even trying? I wouldn't even need to
[20:22] hotwire it.
[20:23] >> Why?
[20:25] >> Cuz the keys are in the visor.
[20:27] >> Nope.
[20:28] >> The keys don't even work.
[20:30] >> I'm from Arizona. No.
[20:32] >> No, I couldn't.
[20:33] >> I'm not from here. You can't steal my
[20:34] car.
[20:35] >> Oh, sorry.
[20:36] >> There is one down there. You're welcome
[20:38] to.
[20:40] >> We leave the keys.
[20:42] >> We leave those. That's a purposeful
[20:43] thing.
[20:45] It's got a big vacuum on the front.
[20:52] » An investigation.
[20:54] Someone stole more than $180,000
[20:57] from the county. The county auditor says
[21:00] they checked building permit numbers and
[21:02] their funds and found some weren't
[21:05] properly deposited. The state says a
[21:07] former building department manager
[21:10] admitted to stealing the cash. The state
[21:12] auditor's office found a lot of flaws
[21:15] and weaknesses they say in the county's
[21:17] cash receding.
[21:20] >> This stuff happens constantly here in the state.
[21:25] Why? It's because sometimes leadership
[21:26] booties have blind spots. We over rely
[21:29] on trust. We trust. We're much too
[21:31] trusting at times.
[21:34] We have sometimes we have weak internal
[21:36] controls. We need to strengthen our
[21:38] controls and make sure that our folks
[21:40] are following the protocols that we need
[21:42] to follow. We have poor followup or
[21:45] there's no kind of whistleblower hotline
[21:47] if we notice that something's going on
[21:48] that shouldn't be. We don't have a way
[21:51] for people to communicate. These are
[21:53] just some of the very common ways that
[21:55] we've seen fraud happen is because of
[21:58] these blind spots. One of the other huge claims that we had at the trust,
[22:03] which is a six-f figureure claim, um was
[22:06] there was a there was a council and they
[22:11] were given an invoice.
[22:14] And the uh the bad guys, they called up
[22:17] one of the council members and said,
[22:19] "Hey, we need you to pay this invoice,
[22:21] but instead of instead of um wire
[22:23] transferring it to us like like is in
[22:25] your policies, we need you to cut a
[22:27] check. can you cut us a check? Here's
[22:30] the name it needs to be. Here's the
[22:32] address to send it to and please just
[22:33] send it to us.
[22:35] And it's in their policies to not do
[22:39] that. It's in their policies
[22:42] to not do it. And they said, "Well, you
[22:43] know what? Just this one time so we can
[22:44] get it taken care of. Let's do it." So
[22:47] they did it. Six figures out the window
[22:50] that they never saw again.
[22:52] >> That's just stupid. Who writes a check
[22:53] for six figures,
[22:54] >> right?
[22:56] >> But it happened.
[22:59] And these are things that we need to
[23:00] make sure that as as leadership we're
[23:03] not blind to. Always trust but verify.
[23:06] Trust the employees that they're going
[23:08] to do the right thing. Trust the people
[23:11] on the other end but always verify. Like
[23:13] Josh said, have a personal relationship
[23:16] with a vendor that if something smells
[23:18] fishy, if something somebody's asking
[23:19] you to do something that is outside of
[23:21] what's written in a contract, outside of
[23:23] what's out normal protocols for you and
[23:26] your organization, make a phone call.
[23:29] Don't send an email. Make a phone call.
[23:32] Go on a visit. Don't send an email.
[23:35] Don't even send a text message. Those
[23:37] things can be intercepted super easy.
[23:39] Make a phone call. go in person and talk
[23:42] to somebody about it. Some other
[23:44] detection strategies that we can use,
[23:46] segregation of duties, have people
[23:48] responsible for different parts of
[23:50] procurement, payment, things like that.
[23:53] Check vendors, do audits, formal,
[23:56] informal type of audits that you guys
[23:57] can do as the council or or direct staff
[24:00] members to do. One of the greatest
[24:02] things we can do is complete the fraud
[24:04] risk assessment. Um, the state fraud
[24:06] risk assessment from the state auditor's
[24:08] office is a great great tool for us to
[24:11] use, especially for us as leadership and
[24:13] you guys as executive leadership here at
[24:14] the city to make sure that we have all
[24:18] of our things in place to help us avoid
[24:20] fraud. This fraud risk assessment is a
[24:23] just an easy little questionnaire um
[24:25] that you can go on to the auditor's
[24:27] website and make sure that you do. Have
[24:29] you guys had a chance to do that?
[24:31] >> Yes.
[24:32] >> Excellent. It's a
[24:34] >> excellent and that is one of the best
[24:37] tools that we have available to us to
[24:39] ensure that we have the segregation of
[24:41] duties that we are doing the right
[24:43] things to eliminate.
[24:45] >> Okay.
[24:45] >> And how safe people's passwords are.
[24:47] What is one of your online passwords
[24:49] currently?
[24:50] >> It is my dog's name and the year I
[24:52] graduated from high school.
[24:53] >> Oh, what kind of dog do you have?
[24:54] >> I have a 12pon.
[24:55] >> And what's its name?
[24:56] >> Jameson.
[24:57] And where did you go to school?
[24:59] >> Um, I went to school back in Greensburg,
[25:00] Pennsylvania.
[25:01] >> What school? Uh, Hfield Area Senior High
[25:03] School.
[25:03] >> Oh. When did you graduate?
[25:05] >> In 2009.
[25:06] >> Oh, great.
[25:08] >> It's like my cat's name and then just
[25:10] like a random number.
[25:11] >> Okay.
[25:12] >> You had this cat for a while?
[25:13] >> Yeah. She's my childhood pet.
[25:15] >> A And what's her name?
[25:16] >> Her name is Jolie.
[25:17] >> Jolie.
[25:18] >> Mhm.
[25:18] >> So, like a password of yours would be
[25:20] Jolie and then a number. Yeah.
[25:22] >> Like number one.
[25:23] >> Uh, like my birthday.
[25:24] >> Oh. When is your birthday?
[25:26] >> Uh, June 12th.
[25:27] >> Oh, nice. What year were you born?
[25:29] >> Uh, 95.
[25:30] >> Oh, great. So, Jolie 6 12 95. Got it.
[25:36] >> Gemma
[25:38] 1 2 3 spelled G E M M A.
[25:42] >> Well, most of them are Italian.
[25:44] >> Oh, beautiful.
[25:45] >> Yeah. So, like
[25:46] >> like what's a good Italian password?
[25:48] >> Uh, my grandma's name.
[25:50] >> What's your grandma's name?
[25:52] >> Uh, Maria.
[25:54] >> Maria. So, Maria is your password?
[25:59] >> Oh, yeah. And now you know my password.
[26:02] >> Oh yeah.
[26:03] >> Yeah.
[26:06] >> That was hard to watch.
[26:07] >> That was hard, right?
[26:11] >> That's the world we live in. I mean, it
[26:14] really is. And we've got to make sure
[26:17] that then what we have to do at the top
[26:20] here in this group, we have to set the
[26:23] tone. We have to set the tone with
[26:25] strong ethics and make sure that it goes
[26:28] from the top down. us as council members
[26:30] and from us as executive leadership, it
[26:33] works its way down all the way down to
[26:35] the team so that everybody is aware of
[26:38] the our expectations and the things that
[26:40] we're doing here at the top to avoid
[26:42] fraud. And we expect those same things
[26:44] of the employees and the the the
[26:46] stewards of the city. Okay. Other
[26:49] things, make sure you have a response
[26:51] plan. So if there is fraud that happens
[26:53] in your organization, investigate it
[26:55] immediately. If something is happening
[26:57] that that's not right, follow your HR
[27:00] and your legal process. Make sure you
[27:01] have a good process and plan in place,
[27:04] what to do if there's suspected fraud or
[27:07] a cyber security type of breach.
[27:09] Communicate openly about these things.
[27:11] Talk about it. Let the employees know
[27:13] what's going on. Don't hide things. Be
[27:16] upfront. Be transparent. and make sure
[27:19] that you report any kind of fraud that
[27:22] is going on because all that going to do
[27:23] is it's going to strengthen your
[27:24] policies and it's going to strengthen
[27:26] the resolve of everybody there so that
[27:28] we make sure that we are providing our
[27:30] employees the best uh fraud protection
[27:32] that we can. Okay, just a checklist for for you guys as elected officials
[27:37] that I thought of. Ask about your fraud
[27:39] risk assessment. You guys have it. Make
[27:40] sure that you've reviewed it and you
[27:42] know what it is. review your internal
[27:44] control reports that that you require of your employees. What what do you
[27:49] require stewards of the city do in order
[27:52] to ensure that they're combating fraud
[27:54] within their specific departments?
[27:56] Ensure you have whistleblower
[27:57] protections in place and an open door
[28:00] policy where people and and employees
[28:02] can come and let you know if they think
[28:04] something is is going wrong, if
[28:06] something is not up to the stuff. Okay.
[28:09] Demands transparency. demand
[28:11] transparency from your from your
[28:13] different department heads and from your
[28:15] stewards in the city to ensure that
[28:18] fraud isn't happening and don't ever
[28:20] bypass your processes. Whatever your
[28:22] process is, if it is to always make sure
[28:25] you write paper checks to your vendors,
[28:29] then do that. If somebody asks you to do
[28:31] a wire transfer and that's not your
[28:33] protocols, you like just this one time
[28:34] we'll do it to get them taken care of.
[28:36] Don't do that. follow your policies and
[28:39] don't bypass those processes.
[28:42] We have seen like Josh said is just the
[28:48] thing of not obeying and following the
[28:51] policies. If we could just make one
[28:52] phone call or just follow the simple
[28:54] policy, we can make these things go
[28:56] away. We don't end up with million
[28:58] dollars lost or six figures lost because
[29:02] somebody did something that they
[29:03] shouldn't have and took a shortcut and
[29:05] just made it a mistake that one time.
[29:08] Okay. Do you guys have any any
[29:10] questions? Any questions for me? Well,
[29:13] I've got one thing. So next council
[29:16] meeting just so you guys know and what
[29:18] was on our agenda already is we do have
[29:21] our auditor coming
[29:22] >> to give us another training on what are
[29:26] all of our processes what are our
[29:28] controls what is the process by which we
[29:31] operate here in the city. So plan on
[29:34] that to so you guys better understand
[29:36] what we do and how we do it. And and for
[29:39] those of you who don't know, uh this
[29:41] lovely lady in the beautiful yellow
[29:43] shirt is Charlene. Um so we're excited
[29:46] to have her and she's also working on
[29:48] our front uh our processes, our
[29:51] controls, uh the separation of kind of
[29:54] the duties and powers and who can
[29:56] authorize what. Um, and so we're we're
[30:00] doing a lot of really great things
[30:02] already down this path. So,
[30:04] >> perfect.
[30:04] >> Yeah, I I don't doubt that you already
[30:06] are. Just keep going. Keep going on the
[30:08] path. Know those policies. Set the tone
[30:10] as leadership. It's great. It's great
[30:12] that you're doing that.
[30:14] >> And don't, you know, tell the reporter
[30:16] on the street what your password is.
[30:17] >> Yeah.
[30:22] » Don't even click links for my IT
[30:24] department.
[30:27] ours or yours
[30:28] >> my work. I don't even click a reminder
[30:31] for training when in a reminder email. I
[30:34] go straight to the source.
[30:35] >> Yeah.
[30:36] >> I'm entitled in escrow and we send
[30:38] people we get wires all day every day.
[30:40] So,
[30:41] >> I'm sorry.
[30:41] >> And what we send wire instructions, we
[30:43] have to send them securely. Like we have
[30:44] a whole process um because we hear lots
[30:47] of horror stories about people
[30:49] >> intercepting wires. Anyway,
[30:53] >> yeah, like Ted was saying there, I'm
[30:56] assuming you've all received multiple
[30:57] emails lately
[30:59] >> from quote unquote me
[31:01] >> requesting some kind of stuff,
[31:04] >> right?
[31:04] >> And we we learned that a long time ago.
[31:06] Well, Dorl helped us learn that one. uh
[31:09] is that uh you know when those emails
[31:11] started coming asking for things and
[31:13] they were from the mayor just mayor
[31:16] >> make sure that you look at where it's
[31:17] coming from and you recognize it's not
[31:20] the mayor's email
[31:21] >> it's his name but not his not
[31:23] >> not his email address
[31:24] >> email address so
[31:26] >> now the game is they just send them to
[31:27] me and say sorry I'm not going to do
[31:28] this for you
[31:31] >> forward it to you
[31:33] >> but they say look for typos look for
[31:35] spelling errors
[31:36] >> look for typos spelling errors
[31:38] >> unfamiliar email addresses.
[31:40] >> Look for if it's if somebody's name is
[31:42] spelled with an L instead of an L, it
[31:44] has a number one.
[31:46] >> Yeah.
[31:46] >> Um because it looks exactly the same. Or
[31:49] an O is a zero and it looks almost the
[31:53] same. Those are the little things that we pay attention to in emails
[31:58] >> because all of our emails are online.
[32:00] Everybody
[32:02] >> everybody knows them.
[32:03] >> Yeah. What's funny though is it puts
[32:04] pressure on us to not have a typo in our
[32:08] email. Yes.
[32:09] >> Or something wrong because you don't
[32:10] want somebody for me because I have to
[32:12] send stuff out to a lot of people. I
[32:14] don't want them to think that I'm fraud.
[32:15] >> Yes. Exactly.
[32:16] >> So, I have to be extra careful.
[32:17] >> You have to be extra vigilant with that,
[32:19] right?
[32:19] >> Yeah.
[32:20] >> See, if I spelled everything right, then
[32:22] they know it was it wasn't me.
[32:26] » As long as you're consistent, Brian,
[32:28] then we know
[32:29] >> I'm an engineer. They expect it to be
[32:33] as long as you're consistent.
[32:34] >> Wonderful. Any other questions, you
[32:36] guys?
[32:38] >> No, I have I wrote down some questions,
[32:40] but it sounds like we'll be asking those
[32:42] next meeting.
[32:43] >> Yep. On how we operate? Hold those till
[32:46] next week. Yes. Wait.
[32:48] >> The state auditing standards have not
[32:50] been updated for years and years. And
[32:53] there's things that you're talking about
[32:55] in here, for example, internal controls
[32:58] that they gloss over. Mhm. And
[33:00] >> I know that they can't get in depth in a lot of areas, but you guys have any
[33:06] interaction if you're sharing ensuring
[33:09] as many as city municipality or
[33:14] government municipalities as they are, I
[33:17] would think that some of your input
[33:19] would be valuable to to make some
[33:22] changes maybe in delving a little bit
[33:26] more of the auditors into some of these
[33:30] internal control issues and and other
[33:32] matters.
[33:34] Is there any correspondence between you
[33:37] and them with any recommendations for
[33:39] updating some of their standards to to
[33:42] be more more in line with what is being
[33:46] encountered in this day and age?
[33:48] >> Yeah, I think Josh, you correct me if
[33:50] I'm wrong. I think Steve, the CEO, is
[33:52] actually doing a lot of that, right?
[33:54] Yeah, SE steam works pretty closely with whoever the state auditor is. And
[34:00] so the the fraud risk assessment, it's
[34:04] high level, right? It's 30,000 ft and it
[34:06] just talks about some of the some of the
[34:09] highle controls. That fraud risk
[34:11] assessment came from the previous
[34:12] auditor, not our current state auditor,
[34:14] but the previous one. Um, and the the
[34:18] points assigned to there, they in our
[34:21] opinion, you know, we don't know if
[34:23] those the weight that they carry are as
[34:26] important as maybe the cities value
[34:28] them. I think that the single biggest
[34:30] thing that's important in there is the
[34:32] separation of duties, but they don't
[34:34] assign a ton of points to that one. Um,
[34:36] but we've got a new state auditor and we
[34:39] are working more closely with them and
[34:40] we try to do things in conjunction with
[34:42] them so that our members are doing
[34:44] things and and rolling out the latest
[34:46] and greatest. Um, and I think this new
[34:47] state auditor is trying to push some
[34:50] more updates and has his own staff that
[34:52] are going out and trying to do things. I
[34:54] can't speak to exactly what some of
[34:56] those newer items are, but he is trying
[34:59] to build on what the last state auditor
[35:01] did. Um, and we're so we do work
[35:04] together and we share with them the
[35:06] areas that we see their their
[35:08] vulnerabilities because we know when
[35:10] there's a claim. We know when there's an
[35:13] issue because the fact that we insure
[35:16] about % of the cities and towns. So when
[35:18] we see a weak point, we try to share
[35:22] that so that we can sh up areas across
[35:24] the state. And Mike's team tries to do a
[35:26] good job of educating as as new stuff
[35:29] comes up as well. So
[35:31] >> well, I know I'm professional that I've
[35:34] done some forensic auditing and I
[35:36] there's there's all kinds of disclaimers
[35:39] in the state auditing process that we
[35:42] we're not guaranteeing this, we're not
[35:44] guaranteeing that. And I would think
[35:46] that that would be helpful to to a a
[35:50] city or any government entity to to have
[35:54] that. I mean, that's why we're why that
[35:57] auditing requirement is in place to help
[35:59] the cities better far it out where there
[36:02] may be issues and and I don't know that
[36:05] there's to me there there's a big hole
[36:08] there lacking. Well, and for what it's
[36:10] worth, the the auditing firm that you
[36:12] guys use directly, the private auditing
[36:14] firm, I I think those guys do a lot of
[36:17] the heavy lifting. And so, while the
[36:19] state auditors, they are certainly
[36:21] trying to do a lot there, there's only
[36:22] so much they can do because they've got
[36:24] a certain amount of staff members and
[36:26] there's a lot of entities in the state.
[36:28] But but make sure that you are putting
[36:32] your personal auditing firm to the task
[36:34] and making sure that because they're the
[36:36] ones that we see that are catching
[36:38] stuff.
[36:38] >> Well, I I agree, but they're uh I don't
[36:41] want to belabor a point, but they and
[36:45] they're following the state guidelines,
[36:47] but the state guidelines are often quite
[36:49] weak and the things that they're
[36:51] supposed to do.
[36:52] >> Well, we just got an update. This was
[36:54] last year. Um, and this is an update
[36:56] that came from the state. Part of it is
[36:59] it's legislative though. I don't want to
[37:00] give the state auditor's office too much
[37:02] credit, but um, they they shed up an
[37:06] area that we thought was very
[37:07] vulnerable. There was a bonding
[37:10] requirement for your treasure and and
[37:12] the normal fidelity bond was just what
[37:14] they required and they had a certain
[37:15] amount based on the amount of budget
[37:18] that your that your entity has. They now
[37:20] require that to be crime insurance. and
[37:23] crime insurance is so much more robust
[37:25] than a fidelity bond. And so we are
[37:27] seeing areas like that that are getting
[37:29] better where they're they're requiring
[37:31] more. And so we're happy to see that and
[37:34] we're right in line with them. All of
[37:36] our members, we we've been given crime
[37:38] to our members in lie of fidelity bond
[37:41] since 2016. We actually went to the
[37:44] money management council for the state
[37:46] of Utah and said, "Hey, we realize that
[37:48] you're requiring a bond, but a lot of
[37:50] our members have crime and it's better
[37:52] than a bond. So, can you make an
[37:54] adjustment to your rules so that we can
[37:56] also accept crime in lie of a bond?"
[37:59] Well, not only did they do that
[38:00] adjustment, but just a few short years
[38:02] later, they said, "You're right. Crime
[38:04] is better. We're done with bonds." So,
[38:06] we're seeing some movement and some
[38:07] traction, but you know, it's government
[38:10] and it takes time. So, It just takes
[38:13] time.
[38:13] >> So
[38:14] >> yeah,
[38:15] >> in my professional life, I deal with
[38:18] insurance companies.
[38:19] >> Um, and the insurance companies have
[38:22] requirements for us in industry um to be
[38:26] insured.
[38:27] >> Sure.
[38:27] >> Right. F Global, that kind of thing,
[38:29] right? You're you're familiar with
[38:30] those.
[38:31] >> Um, do you have set standards that are
[38:35] above and beyond what the state
[38:36] requires? Because I'd rather the state
[38:38] stay the hell out of my business. As a
[38:41] city, I want to be as robust as we can,
[38:43] but I don't want to do something that
[38:45] the state requires Salt Lake to do that
[38:48] they have to do differently to require
[38:50] me to do it. Right. I But are there are
[38:52] there standards that you set
[38:56] as as the insurer
[38:59] of your members that that you say you
[39:02] must meet these even though they're
[39:03] above and beyond the state require?
[39:05] >> So from a crime standpoint, we are not
[39:07] the carrier for your crime policy. If
[39:09] you have a property policy with us, we
[39:11] purchase a crime policy for you and it's
[39:13] no additional charge. And that crime
[39:16] carrier, they have their own
[39:18] requirements that they set forth.
[39:20] >> Um, and more than anything that they
[39:22] just want to know that our members are
[39:23] doing something because so many entities
[39:26] are doing nothing. And so by virtue of
[39:29] doing something, by having something in
[39:30] place, so their requirement is that this
[39:33] the fraud risk assessment or an
[39:34] equivalent of a fraud risk assessment.
[39:36] Sure. Now, I realize that's just state
[39:38] protection levels, right? But then we
[39:40] also at the Utah Local Government Trust
[39:42] have policies that are on our own paper,
[39:44] liability, property, workers comp, auto,
[39:46] all those. And
[39:49] we we don't members are meeting all
[39:52] these different requirements as far as,
[39:54] you know, we don't have like a white
[39:56] sheet that says what you need to do, but
[39:58] we do look very very closely at what
[40:01] protocols you have in place. We look
[40:02] very closely at your leadership. We look
[40:04] very closely at your loss history. We
[40:07] look closely at your risk management.
[40:10] >> Tailor fitting. Is that what you're saying? As as you as we come on,
[40:14] you're tailor fitting to make sure that
[40:16] we're meeting we don't have some hard
[40:20] >> We're selective.
[40:21] >> Okay.
[40:21] >> Um we're selective. So for new members,
[40:23] um got a lot of members. For instance,
[40:26] we had a county member just a couple
[40:27] years ago that said, "We're just getting
[40:29] hammered in pricing. We'd love to join
[40:31] you guys. can you take a look at our
[40:33] programs and see if we're a good fit?
[40:34] They were not a good fit. We did not
[40:36] accept them. Um, we've had other members
[40:38] that have had leadership issues. Um,
[40:42] they've had issues with with consistent
[40:44] claims. They don't have a good safety
[40:46] culture. And it's very rare because
[40:49] usually our teams, my team and Mike's
[40:52] team can usually get with our members
[40:54] that are struggling and we can get
[40:56] programs in place and we can turn the
[40:57] corner and we can start working with
[40:59] their leadership. And generally
[41:01] speaking, we're very very successful in
[41:03] doing that. Yeah. But if we have a
[41:05] member that we're unable to work with,
[41:08] um it's rare. I've been at the trust for
[41:09] 18 years and I've only seen it twice.
[41:11] But we will not renew the account if we
[41:14] have to because
[41:15] >> And that's protection for
[41:16] >> Yeah. And that's protection for all. But
[41:17] I'm I'm also saying if you guys have
[41:20] additional standards beyond maybe what's
[41:22] what Wayne says is weak at the state
[41:24] level, um that would actually be
[41:27] protection for the whole trust, right?
[41:29] So,
[41:30] >> so that's kind of what I'm asking
[41:31] because when I when I deal if I switch
[41:33] from FM Global to another company and I
[41:36] end up spending millions of dollars to
[41:38] upgrade a plant to meet their their
[41:41] standards, right? Um, are you doing that
[41:44] for the other members? I mean, that to
[41:47] me as a you say member, it makes me feel
[41:50] like I'm I'm part of a whole, right? And
[41:52] so are you doing that to shore up what
[41:55] Wayne has pointed out as some weaknesses
[41:57] or other weaknesses in the state to make
[41:59] sure that us and other entities that are
[42:02] also being are also part of that that
[42:04] membership um meeting those standards.
[42:08] >> So we don't just to be candid with you
[42:09] we don't have a line in the sand that
[42:11] says if you do not do these specific
[42:14] items no membership of the trust. The
[42:16] line in the sand has to do with
[42:19] performance and as we see it if you've
[42:21] got some big red flags those red flags
[42:23] can become a problem but we haven't
[42:25] wrote a prescriptive
[42:26] >> okay
[42:27] >> you know
[42:27] >> that's what I'm asking
[42:29] >> but we do have we do have a lot of
[42:32] programs in place that do incentivize
[42:33] our members to go above and beyond
[42:36] >> and we are being made aware of these
[42:39] things so that we can
[42:41] >> long as long as that's there and
[42:43] >> absolutely
[42:44] >> and those programs are very very
[42:46] successful and they drive the the safety
[42:51] and loss prevention culture at majority
[42:53] of our entities. Um I'll be candid with
[42:56] you as well. Utah is a little bit
[42:58] different of a mix than we see at other
[43:01] states and we're lucky for that. Housing
[43:04] authorities inside of it in California
[43:07] and Nevada insurance companies don't
[43:09] want to touch them. We've got hot crack
[43:11] pipes that are starting fires. We've got
[43:13] disputes with residents. We've got a lot
[43:15] of people from from tribal Africa that are wanting to fight, you know,
[43:21] their other guy down the street. And
[43:22] we've even seen it here a little bit
[43:24] with Molotov cocktails. It's a problem.
[43:27] But in Utah, it's such a different a
[43:29] different um demographic generally
[43:32] speaking. And so I, you know, part of us
[43:35] is we're we're we benefit from that, but
[43:38] we also do take it to the next level.
[43:40] And we are very very intentional with
[43:42] who we allow into the pool. But then we
[43:45] also we just had a meeting on Friday
[43:48] where we have identified groups that are
[43:51] not getting in line with our programs.
[43:54] We have a lot of members. We have about
[43:55] 650. We've identified six six groups
[43:59] that we need to work very very closely
[44:02] with. We've got the data to show how
[44:05] their performance is and how they're
[44:06] doing and what their culture is. um six
[44:08] is great out of 650, but it's still six.
[44:12] And so our efforts will be concentrated
[44:15] towards those six members and they will
[44:17] be put on a program and a plan to get
[44:19] them going in a different direction. And
[44:21] the issue, the biggest thing that stands
[44:23] out to us is frequency. Everyone is im
[44:26] is going to have a severity claim at
[44:27] some point. Every no one's immune from
[44:29] it, but frequency is our big red flag.
[44:32] That's where we can see where the issues
[44:33] lie
[44:34] >> and we can drill down on those very
[44:36] quickly. and we do. So, we're always we
[44:39] always got our our radar out. We're
[44:41] always looking to see where we need to
[44:43] put our attention and and um
[44:47] you know, we still pay claims. We pay
[44:50] lots of claims every year. But
[44:54] >> yeah, we don't have a lot of claims, but
[44:55] we have a big claim. And just so you
[44:57] guys know, you know, since for the last
[45:00] seven months or eight months, you know,
[45:02] Josh and I have been on the phone on
[45:05] average probably once a month.
[45:06] >> Yeah. Lots. And we've met we've met
[45:08] meetings in person and
[45:10] >> so just to make sure that we're doing
[45:12] things, you know, we're working on our
[45:14] processes on how do we file claims so
[45:18] that we're not footing bills that really
[45:19] should per our policy be going to the
[45:21] trust. um what processes do we need to
[45:24] have when something that could be a
[45:26] claim is in place and do our staff know
[45:30] which questions to ask, what things to
[45:33] say, what things to commit us to and
[45:36] what not to commit us to. So, we're
[45:38] working on those as well.
[45:39] >> And we want to applaud you for your
[45:41] efforts and as as a mountain community
[45:45] uh for fire protection.
[45:46] >> Oh, yeah. Um truly really that's another
[45:50] thing that we keep a close eye on and we
[45:52] wish everybody that lived up against the bench or above and beyond we're
[45:57] doing what you guys are doing.
[45:58] >> So we give you an A+ in that area and we
[46:02] may lean on you in the future to help
[46:03] other organizations achieve that same
[46:05] level. So
[46:06] >> Ted's always happy to help.
[46:09] >> Will you repeat that please?
[46:12] >> Killing it. you know, because we've been
[46:14] doing it for for such a long time, all
[46:16] of our residents are most all of our
[46:19] residents are on board, right? And that
[46:21] makes a big difference when when the
[46:23] community overall sees the benefit and
[46:26] that they take responsibility for their
[46:28] own property and then as a whole, then
[46:31] it becomes better. And then under the
[46:33] leadership of our fire department and
[46:35] our fire chief, TED there, um it helps
[46:38] um everyone feel a little bit more
[46:40] secure. Um the risk is still there, but
[46:43] At least the mitigation has been done.
[46:45] >> Well, we it makes us feel a lot better
[46:48] because there's a lot of exposure and in
[46:51] a community like this obviously. Um so
[46:54] we're glad you guys are doing you know
[46:56] the right things in that area.
[46:57] >> They're just patting themselves on the
[46:58] back back there.
[47:01] >> I think we've also there
[47:04] on a whole our residents are also
[47:07] extremely grateful for the way we have
[47:10] worked on the mitigation efforts. We've
[47:12] got a ways to go, which everybody does,
[47:16] but on a whole, we're really devoting as
[47:18] much as the resources we can to making
[47:22] preparations and movements towards
[47:24] mitigating our fire of exposure. So,
[47:26] >> well, here's to a successful monsoon
[47:28] season with lots of rain and minimal
[47:30] light.
[47:32] >> Perfect. Well, wonderful. Is there
[47:34] anything else, Steve?
[47:36] >> We're glad to have you.
[47:37] >> Yeah. They're gonna send us
[47:40] >> during his trans.
[47:43] >> He was on Zoom for a minute.
[47:46] >> Brian's on too now
[47:49] >> presentation tonight. So
[47:52] >> wonderful. Okay, if there's anything
[47:54] else, gentlemen,
[47:56] >> thanks for coming.
[47:56] >> Yeah, thank you so much.
[47:57] >> Thanks for having us. Thanks for having
[47:58] us out.
[47:59] >> We appreciate it. Thank you.
[48:01] >> I should have you teach me how to
[48:03] >> Okay. Um, we will move to the next one.
[48:05] That is crap.
[48:05] >> You're welcome to stay or you're welcome
[48:07] to get home to your families.
[48:09] >> Go to Richfield. We got to go to
[48:10] Richfield. Really?
[48:13] >> Drive safe.
[48:14] >> Yeah, I think I
[48:15] >> was going to say that's 10 driving home.
[48:17] >> An hour and a half.
[48:18] >> Yeah,
[48:19] >> that's not even the opposite way of
[48:21] home.
[48:22] >> We'll get there before we're done.
[48:23] >> Yeah.
[48:24] >> Thanks again.
[48:25] >> Hey, thank you guys. Thank you for
[48:27] coming.
[48:27] >> Okay, we're going to move to number
[48:28] three. This is the discussion for the
[48:30] proposed resolution 2026-44
[48:34] approving the ratifying the year-end
[48:36] budgetary and accounting adjustments for
[48:38] the 2025 2026 fiscal year.
[48:41] >> And what's really cool
[48:43] >> number three? I'm right.
[48:45] >> Is that's what I said.
[48:47] >> Did I say two? Three.
[48:48] >> No, you said three.
[48:49] >> Okay. Just making sure.
[48:50] >> We get to hear all this from Charlene.
[48:52] >> Yes, you do. You know that couldn't have
[48:55] been a better segment into what my job
[48:58] you all just hired me to do
[49:01] >> is work on internal controls. I have 40
[49:05] years of experience
[49:07] and and this is when you say yeah you
[49:10] look like you started when you were 10.
[49:12] But
[49:14] um in working with city governments,
[49:16] government entities, all fund
[49:18] accounting, internal controls, I have
[49:20] been audited 92 times for internal
[49:24] controls and have passed every single
[49:26] one of them. And I have been working
[49:29] with the mayor and with Lori and Jod.
[49:31] We've already started to put things in
[49:33] place. Uh Mr. Hatterly of the auditor's
[49:36] office and I have had several
[49:38] conversations and we have a list of
[49:40] internal controls that we will be
[49:42] putting forth uh with the mayor. I am so
[49:46] honored, privileged to work with you and
[49:49] excited and I can't tell you how
[49:51] wonderful both Lori and Jod have been to
[49:54] work with. They have just been welcomed
[49:56] me with open arms and I appreciate that
[49:58] immensely. But a lot of your concerns
[50:02] about internal controls will be
[50:04] addressed within the next six months
[50:07] because not only will they be a part of
[50:09] it but so will I and that will create
[50:12] it. I've also met with the Polaris the
[50:15] gentleman over the Polaris software and
[50:17] he will be taking I will be taking over
[50:19] just the security piece of it and then
[50:22] we will be dividing these
[50:23] responsibilities out so that everybody
[50:27] sleeps well at night and this this
[50:30] organization and this city is protected.
[50:33] All right. Uh the item before you this
[50:36] evening, and I have been to lots of city
[50:38] council meetings and brutes,
[50:40] >> so thank you for having me.
[50:41] >> So we don't scare you.
[50:43] >> Not at all.
[50:43] >> Okay. Good.
[50:45] >> Not at all. The item before you was
[50:48] simply a resolution and a housekeeping
[50:51] item. Um when you approved the budget,
[50:54] the last revised budget, there were a
[50:56] couple of uh items that needed to be
[50:59] fixed. Your transfers in and out need to
[51:02] balance.
[51:03] Okay. And there was a couple of numbers
[51:06] that didn't quite balance i.e. the
[51:09] transfer from a transfer from the CIP
[51:12] fund the the public work CIP fund number
[51:15] did not match the transfer to the
[51:18] general fund and so therefore that has
[51:20] been corrected. Also, uh there was a
[51:23] sale of a capital asset
[51:26] that uh was supposed to be transferred
[51:29] to the EMS CIP fund, but there was no
[51:32] transfer in in the EMS CIP fund. So, we
[51:35] needed to do that. The other thing that
[51:37] is also very important is that when you
[51:40] have budgetary resolutions, you need to
[51:42] identify a funding source. And so, uh,
[51:46] that is included in that budget that Jod
[51:49] put forth with the resolution. Those
[51:52] funding sources have been identified.
[51:53] They won't aren't necessarily called out
[51:55] in resolution. So, I would recommend
[51:58] that you all consider approving this
[52:00] budget. I have spoken with John
[52:02] Hatterly. He said that um it is fine to
[52:05] approve it this evening. Even though it
[52:07] did pertain to the appropriation for the
[52:09] FY2526 budget, it was fine. Let's go
[52:12] ahead and get it corrected. So, this is
[52:14] just a
[52:16] So can you explain to me uh when you say it needed to have a a a
[52:22] budget that it was tied to? So is
[52:25] >> we had kind of decided to to move away
[52:28] from our CIP funds
[52:31] >> and and do general fund and have a have
[52:34] a general fund. Now this is a little bit
[52:35] different because we sold the the
[52:37] firetruck with the intent of using part
[52:40] of that money to to get a new a new
[52:42] ambulance. Um,
[52:44] but it I mean it comes down to semantics
[52:47] unless it's a legal requirement um that
[52:50] we have a CIP fund. Um,
[52:52] >> it's not.
[52:53] >> So, again, I'm I'm fine I'm fine with
[52:56] it, but I just was kind of curious. Does
[52:58] it have to be a CIP fund or could we say
[53:00] we're going to put this money into the
[53:01] general fund and we're going to budget
[53:02] out of the
[53:03] >> for future? Yes. For the past, we just
[53:06] got to fix it.
[53:06] >> Yeah. And fixing fix. I just want to
[53:09] future. No, you can buy your ambulances
[53:11] and everything else out of your general
[53:13] fund because you have public safety in
[53:15] your general fund. Correct.
[53:16] >> You're just fine to do that. Okay.
[53:18] >> This is just simply like I said, and you
[53:20] do have to have a funding source, which
[53:22] oftentimes if you sell a capital asset,
[53:24] then that's your funding source. Um, in
[53:27] this particular one, we Lori and I
[53:29] simply tuck that away in saving for an
[53:32] ambulance.
[53:34] >> So, that's what we've got it
[53:36] >> is what it's there. Yeah. And that's
[53:38] exactly what it's
[53:39] >> for. Now, these transfers from what I
[53:41] understand uh not necessarily have been
[53:44] done based on some discussions that
[53:45] you've had with bond counsel and some
[53:47] decisions that you have made in the
[53:49] past. So, they may or may not be done.
[53:51] We just simply need to make everything
[53:52] pass.
[53:52] >> Yes, absolutely. Absolutely. It makes
[53:54] sense the the way it's put together, but
[53:56] I just wanted to know going forward
[53:58] because we've talked about getting out
[54:00] of saving for things and actually taking
[54:03] loans for things because we we feel at
[54:05] this point that it's it's financially
[54:08] better to do that.
[54:09] >> That's absolutely just fine.
[54:11] >> Okay, perfect. Thank you.
[54:14] >> Yeah. And as Charlene, you know, she's
[54:16] getting her feet wet. She's
[54:17] understanding exactly how we're
[54:18] operating versus how others have. Um,
[54:22] you know, we're we're going to dive back
[54:24] into that conversation and and take a
[54:26] look and and and figure it out cuz we
[54:29] did have a plan, you know, as you
[54:31] probably remember, to pull those monies
[54:34] out of savings to then potentially pay
[54:37] off that one bond to increase our
[54:39] ability to cover those. and it ended up
[54:42] being that the bond that we are looking
[54:45] at which is a future discussion item for
[54:48] tonight I believe if I remember yep um
[54:51] number six so we'll talk about that
[54:53] there more um but we ended up deciding
[54:56] to keep the bond we were going to pay
[54:58] off and so we ended up putting those
[55:00] funds back in
[55:01] >> and and so we get less we take a
[55:04] >> so as we look at those budgets going
[55:06] forward we'll be able to to kind of get
[55:09] us back to where we wanted to with
[55:11] getting all the proper eyes dotted and
[55:14] te's crossed.
[55:18] » Perfect.
[55:19] >> Yeah. Do you have do you guys have any
[55:21] questions?
[55:22] >> No.
[55:22] >> I'm going to open it up a little bit
[55:24] beyond the agenda to a degree.
[55:26] >> This is the first time you guys have met
[55:28] Charlene if my memory serves me right.
[55:31] >> Charlene and I have spoken.
[55:33] >> Yes.
[55:34] >> Um they're they're they haven't made a a
[55:37] long-term decision. They made a
[55:38] short-term decision and so your name's
[55:40] still in
[55:41] >> for that for Mount Nebo.
[55:43] >> For what?
[55:44] >> Mount Nebo. I talked to you about Mount
[55:45] Nebo.
[55:46] >> Yes, she did. Yes.
[55:47] >> Suma. One of the two. I can't remember.
[55:49] >> Yes.
[55:49] >> So, they made a short-term decision for
[55:51] now and then we're going to get
[55:53] >> Okay. Just to give you a little
[55:54] background, maybe if you've got just a
[55:56] couple of minutes. I have worked for the
[55:58] South Utah Valley Solid Waste District
[56:00] for 35 years. I'm a stayer. I've only
[56:03] had five jobs in the last four years. I
[56:06] was the accounting manager for Provo
[56:07] City for 12 years and the finance
[56:09] director for South Jordan and Draper
[56:11] City for eight. And so, um, I I do have
[56:15] a little bit of experience right now. I
[56:17] also have a full-time job. Um, I run an
[56:20] affordable housing executive director of
[56:22] an affordable housing organization, so I
[56:24] understand real estate extremely well.
[56:27] Um, when you said we wire transfer back
[56:29] and forth all the time. I I buy and sell
[56:32] hundreds of houses. I've got six
[56:34] affordable housing projects going in the
[56:36] state of Utah right now. Um I am
[56:38] considering retiring in about five years
[56:40] and this is one of my jobs that I'd like
[56:42] to keep. My daughter told me, she says,
[56:44] "Oh, mom, does that mean you're going to
[56:46] retire and only work 40 hours a week?"
[56:50] >> Yeah, probably. So anyway, I am honored
[56:53] to work with all of you and thank you uh
[56:56] for having me.
[56:58] >> We're excited to have you.
[56:59] >> Yeah, thank you.
[57:01] Okay. So, I am going to stay while you
[57:04] possibly approve this.
[57:06] >> Perfect.
[57:07] >> Are you driving home tonight?
[57:09] >> No, I'm actually in Oram.
[57:10] >> Okay.
[57:11] >> Home is St. George.
[57:12] >> I know. That's why I was That's why I
[57:13] was asking if we needed to rush and get
[57:16] >> two nights. I'm always in Oram at our
[57:18] ORM office. So, I work Tuesday and
[57:19] Wednesday in ORM and then I drive back
[57:22] down and work um Thursday, Friday,
[57:24] Saturday, Sunday, and Monday somewhere
[57:27] else in the state or from my house.
[57:31] Exactly.
[57:32] >> What day you get off?
[57:35] >> I don't know. 2000 something. I don't
[57:37] usually
[57:39] sleeping.
[57:40] >> I am a widow. I will be I been a widow
[57:43] for three and a half years. And so
[57:44] between me and my two puppies, I have to
[57:47] have something to do. And this is this
[57:50] keeps me busy.
[57:51] >> Keeps you young,
[57:51] >> you know. It does. I think
[57:52] >> Keeps your brain sharp and
[57:54] >> Yeah. And you know Alzheimer's is not
[57:56] going to happen because my kids don't
[57:57] want to take care of me. So there you
[57:58] go.
[58:02] We are grateful to have you.
[58:04] >> So, thank you so much.
[58:05] >> So, and
[58:07] >> so just for your information, when
[58:09] you're able to join us here at council,
[58:12] um you know, we have kind of some some
[58:14] rules on how we operate within the
[58:16] council meeting.
[58:18] >> Um so, when the community is here, we
[58:21] don't have anybody from the community
[58:22] here except for, but he's pseudo
[58:25] community. Um
[58:28] I you know we try and restrict those
[58:31] comments that interrupt the flow of the
[58:33] meeting but as staff and you have
[58:36] something to input please feel free.
[58:38] >> Okay I will
[58:39] >> just like Wayne did earlier.
[58:40] >> For the most part though I have been to
[58:43] so many council meetings you noticed I
[58:45] was very quiet. I wanted to jump up and
[58:47] go you know you hired me for that. You
[58:49] know you hired me for that me for that
[58:51] too. But I do know protocol and and very
[58:55] much respect that. So,
[58:56] >> but well, he's saying you can speak up
[58:58] on anything.
[58:58] >> That's what I'm saying.
[58:59] >> He's inviting you to speak up.
[59:01] >> For the most part, I'm very careful
[59:02] >> and and let me know when the fire hose
[59:04] gets down so I can start asking you
[59:06] question because I I I get pretty
[59:09] >> He's passionate.
[59:10] >> He dives in the weeds.
[59:13] >> That's cool. I love that. I I love to
[59:15] have discussions with the auditors. I
[59:16] mean, John and I made friends instantly
[59:19] and and it's been
[59:20] >> it's been it's been a joy to do this.
[59:24] Like I said, Lori's been extremely
[59:26] helpful, so has Jod in just helping me
[59:28] kind of get my feet on the ground, but I
[59:30] was able to tear into the budget and
[59:32] dissect it and and pretty soon I feel
[59:36] like I will be comfortable to present
[59:37] you with financial statements
[59:40] at your meetings.
[59:41] >> Wonderful. Well, Charlene, thank you so
[59:43] much.
[59:44] >> Nice. Thank you.
[59:45] >> Okay, we are going to move to number
[59:47] four with our proposed auditing
[59:50] services. So this is on the agenda
[59:51] because we discussed this last council
[59:54] meeting about sending um our auditors to
[59:56] RFP. Um I then you know called each of
[1:00:00] you when after my discussion with um the
[1:00:04] auditor concerning the contract um and
[1:00:07] we I gained more insight there um as I
[1:00:11] discussed with each of you um and so we
[1:00:13] have decided not to go to RFP right now
[1:00:17] though we are going to send all of our
[1:00:19] professional services um to RFP in
[1:00:23] January. um if we sent it to RFP right
[1:00:26] now in kind of right at the beginning of
[1:00:28] the auditing uh season
[1:00:31] uh probably wouldn't go so well for us.
[1:00:34] We might not have many because most
[1:00:35] people are already booked out. Also, the
[1:00:39] contract from uh our current auditors
[1:00:42] was actually just a pricing model and
[1:00:45] not an engagement model. So, it was just
[1:00:48] saying if you go with us, this is what
[1:00:50] it will be costing wise for the next six
[1:00:52] years. So, he's excited to to join in on
[1:00:55] the RFP process in January. He thinks
[1:00:58] that's a great idea. He's actually set
[1:00:59] it into his calendar to email me and
[1:01:02] remind me that we are headed to audit or
[1:01:04] RFP. So, very impressed.
[1:01:08] >> I've done research on on the Larsson
[1:01:11] group and they're very well respected in
[1:01:14] what they do. Um, and I don't know that
[1:01:19] I would want to change. I know they
[1:01:22] recommend it, but with the with what
[1:01:25] just as as part of my research, they are
[1:01:28] the best in the state
[1:01:32] um by leaps and bounds. And I am not
[1:01:35] afraid of audits and I think audits are
[1:01:37] a way for us to get better and always
[1:01:40] look for the best auditors when I do
[1:01:42] that. And I'm used to aerospace. I'm
[1:01:44] used to getting audited weekly,
[1:01:45] literally. Um, and
[1:01:49] I I I'm impressed with what I saw from I
[1:01:52] mean I I've looked at them before, but
[1:01:54] never looked at them as far as okay,
[1:01:55] let's dig into the company. Let's find
[1:01:57] out what other people are thinking of
[1:01:58] them. Find out what other auditors are
[1:02:00] thinking of them. Find out what the
[1:02:02] state thinks of them. And everybody
[1:02:04] holds them as the gold standard in the
[1:02:07] state. So just as as as we're as we get
[1:02:10] into it once we do go to RFP that's
[1:02:12] something to think about that they are
[1:02:16] really really good.
[1:02:18] >> I think with that I think the company is
[1:02:20] really good. We've used them for a
[1:02:22] while. I think part of that maybe more
[1:02:24] external control then is not having the
[1:02:28] same person be our auditor from that
[1:02:30] company for too many years. Um we
[1:02:33] rotate.
[1:02:33] >> Yeah. They they rotate yearly yearly.
[1:02:36] And that's what I like because some
[1:02:38] others don't and that they have an
[1:02:40] account manager who's or auditor who's
[1:02:42] over you and they get comfortable. So
[1:02:45] knowing that they rotate every year is
[1:02:47] very is very reassuring to me that
[1:02:50] they're not just stuck with the same
[1:02:52] relationships because it's easy in a
[1:02:54] small town to build a trusting
[1:02:55] relationship that may or may not be
[1:02:58] there. Well, I think that's why we were
[1:03:00] looking at that is because we didn't,
[1:03:02] you know, with our previous employee, we
[1:03:04] just wanted to make sure the
[1:03:05] relationship wasn't too close.
[1:03:08] >> And so that's why we we're talking about
[1:03:13] clarify
[1:03:15] that
[1:03:20] » you said all contracts.
[1:03:23] I thought our plan was to send all
[1:03:26] contracts to our professional
[1:03:27] >> all professional contracts.
[1:03:31] >> Sorry. For longer than a year.
[1:03:35] >> Yeah. And we just signed Charlene. So I
[1:03:37] don't know that we want to send that
[1:03:39] back out.
[1:03:39] >> The professional services. So the ones
[1:03:42] I'm discussing, thank you for that
[1:03:43] request for clarification. most of our
[1:03:45] professional services.
[1:03:46] >> That'll be our engineering firm, that'll
[1:03:49] be our attorneys, that'll be our garbage
[1:03:51] services, and our auditing services. Did
[1:03:54] I miss any there?
[1:03:57] >> Those are those are accounts that are
[1:03:59] expiring.
[1:04:00] >> Uh those are accounts that we have not
[1:04:02] sent to RFP
[1:04:04] um as recently as we should.
[1:04:07] >> Okay.
[1:04:08] >> So, get them into that
[1:04:11] garbage
[1:04:13] to garbage needs to go as well. But it's
[1:04:16] only been a couple years.
[1:04:18] >> I think we're at four years.
[1:04:21] >> So, is that
[1:04:22] >> because it was when I first got to the
[1:04:24] council.
[1:04:25] >> So, is that a recommendation or is it a
[1:04:28] requirement? The RF
[1:04:29] >> uh it's a little of both.
[1:04:32] >> Okay.
[1:04:33] >> Um the requirement angle, I think some
[1:04:37] of them are coming up on that
[1:04:39] requirement. um like uh you know our
[1:04:42] engineers are coming up on that um our
[1:04:45] attorneys due to the fact that we have
[1:04:47] been legally engaged for such a long
[1:04:50] time we have not sent it to RFP though
[1:04:53] we should and so we're still going to do
[1:04:56] that.
[1:04:58] I mean, just just to clarify for the
[1:05:00] record, we we did all have that
[1:05:02] conversation individually with you and
[1:05:06] my my position on it is that yeah, with
[1:05:08] the change of our director of finance,
[1:05:12] shaking up to a new auditing firm would
[1:05:14] be a mistake for the city. So, keeping
[1:05:16] that consistency in place seems like the
[1:05:19] right idea.
[1:05:20] >> Yeah. Well, thank you.
[1:05:22] >> Okay. Anything else there you guys?
[1:05:26] Okay, then we'll move to number five.
[1:05:27] So, the review of the sponsorship
[1:05:28] agreement between Woodland Hills and
[1:05:30] Utah County for the America 250 funds.
[1:05:34] Um, so you guys have received that
[1:05:36] contract. Uh, it's in your packet. Um, I
[1:05:40] just need your guys's approval to sign
[1:05:42] it. Um, I have all of the receipts
[1:05:45] tabulated here. Um, they came in at
[1:05:48] around 1748.7.
[1:05:51] Um, so this agreement is for $1,500.
[1:05:56] Um, and so what that basically is
[1:05:58] covering, um, is for the the flags that
[1:06:02] we have purchased, for the lighting of
[1:06:05] the flags, um, for the banner, for the
[1:06:08] advertising of the America 250 potlucks,
[1:06:11] >> I think really helped get people there
[1:06:13] >> 100%.
[1:06:15] We have two receipts from Costco for the
[1:06:19] hot dogs, buns, condiments, things of
[1:06:22] that nature, and then also for the root
[1:06:24] beer that was served. Um, and so it does
[1:06:28] exceed a little bit, which we knew it
[1:06:31] would. Um, I'm actually looking to
[1:06:33] potentially add into our next budget, so
[1:06:36] 2028 budget. um
[1:06:40] we add to our stockpile of flags because
[1:06:44] I'd love to continue to do that as a
[1:06:46] ongoing tradition having them running up
[1:06:49] Wen Hills Drive and Summit Creek Drive
[1:06:52] um to continue to increase those
[1:06:54] numbers.
[1:06:54] >> I would have liked to seen those stay up
[1:06:56] all of July.
[1:06:57] >> They will be headed back out.
[1:07:00] >> So that's why the rebar is still there.
[1:07:02] >> You you pulled one on us there. remember
[1:07:04] you and your kids were going to be
[1:07:05] pulling those up every night and then
[1:07:07] you went. So that's where the extra
[1:07:09] money went. So you were being lazy.
[1:07:11] >> It is true.
[1:07:14] >> But then somebody went and stole one of
[1:07:15] our flags. Couple of our flags.
[1:07:17] >> Somebody stole two of the flags which is
[1:07:19] I got so people want to know where Jod
[1:07:22] found those. Everybody loved the lights
[1:07:25] on them. Thought that was
[1:07:27] >> I mean I got I got lots of comments
[1:07:29] about the flags
[1:07:30] >> about them. It was
[1:07:31] >> people told me it gave them chills to
[1:07:33] drive up.
[1:07:33] >> It was people people were they loved it.
[1:07:36] They absolutely loved it. And I think
[1:07:38] the lights were a great idea.
[1:07:40] >> You know, you didn't pass it by us.
[1:07:42] >> I agree. I think Well, unfortunately,
[1:07:45] that was on that was 100% on me, Brian.
[1:07:49] I failed to triangulate and coordinate
[1:07:52] my schedule between when I personally
[1:07:55] was also going to be out of town.
[1:07:58] >> I think it it turned out perfect. I
[1:08:00] think it couldn't have been better.
[1:08:08] » I think we can find a couple.
[1:08:11] >> It is in the budget. Um, but if they
[1:08:14] want to make that donation, we're always
[1:08:16] willing to accept a donation. So, let's
[1:08:18] discuss this tomorrow in the office and
[1:08:22] see we'll see who it is and if they're
[1:08:24] ones that are, you know, chronic uh
[1:08:27] donators, we'll maybe chat about that.
[1:08:30] >> They could donate to get us more. Um,
[1:08:33] I'm in my opinion.
[1:08:37] I think
[1:08:37] >> I would love to see also and maybe
[1:08:40] setting up the opportunity for uh people
[1:08:44] to get their own flags out in front of
[1:08:46] their own house. Um, we'll need to talk
[1:08:49] about that in the future discussing what
[1:08:51] the logistics may look like on that. But
[1:08:55] I'm of the decision and thought that more red, white, and
[1:09:01] blue in our city during July and Flag
[1:09:04] Day and other times is only a good
[1:09:07] thing.
[1:09:08] >> And I know there are it used to be kind
[1:09:11] of a a scouting project that was done
[1:09:13] throughout the city. Um, and it was
[1:09:16] really cool when it was just everywhere
[1:09:19] and then that went away. And so I know
[1:09:22] that there are some some younger people
[1:09:24] who have started businesses doing the
[1:09:27] flags and our people are paying them to
[1:09:29] do it. So it might be another option to
[1:09:32] have um other young people as their
[1:09:36] business that people work with them
[1:09:38] rather than just us.
[1:09:40] >> I would love to
[1:09:41] >> I don't want to comp I don't want to
[1:09:42] compete with our young young
[1:09:44] entrepreneurs. question. It might be
[1:09:46] just non a non non-starter, but would it
[1:09:50] be possible to have a flag kit with a
[1:09:52] light and the po pole and the flag?
[1:09:56] Would it be too much for the office,
[1:09:59] Jody, to to to be able to sell those at the city cost in the office and say,
[1:10:05] "Hey, look, we we we've got these
[1:10:07] available if you want them. We've got
[1:10:09] them at the city office and we buy a
[1:10:11] stock of them and continue to to
[1:10:12] purchase them." Would that be too much
[1:10:14] on the staff
[1:10:16] >> because I think
[1:10:18] >> I don't know that we don't want to make
[1:10:19] money on it. Just just something that we
[1:10:22] can, you know,
[1:10:22] >> I just didn't want to compete with our
[1:10:24] young people who have businesses.
[1:10:25] >> Let them come by.
[1:10:26] >> So that's what I'm thinking is that
[1:10:28] maybe
[1:10:30] >> So I think there's some good
[1:10:31] opportunities. Let's think about these.
[1:10:33] Let's brainstorm this because I'd love
[1:10:35] to increase
[1:10:37] >> the amount of flags in the city um as we
[1:10:39] continue to go on. I would also love to
[1:10:41] see uh this potluck um be an annual
[1:10:46] thing.
[1:10:47] >> Oh,
[1:10:48] >> um now maybe not on Sunday um going
[1:10:52] forward um but
[1:10:54] >> didn't hurt.
[1:10:56] >> I actually think Sunday was a great
[1:10:58] >> It worked out well.
[1:11:00] >> Was fantastic.
[1:11:02] >> It was a fabulous event. Um
[1:11:04] >> good job,
[1:11:05] >> Janet. Dan, you guys did a fabulous job.
[1:11:09] Uh Shannon and Les Gilbert um were
[1:11:13] fabulous chairs on that event. Um the
[1:11:16] people that showed up, we really want to
[1:11:18] thank
[1:11:19] >> also Dennis he did the entertainment and he he
[1:11:23] volunteered. I I brought it up at
[1:11:26] another meeting that I was at with him
[1:11:28] and he just said, "I'll just do that.
[1:11:30] I'll I'll take care of that." I said,
[1:11:32] "Okay." I didn't even have to ask him.
[1:11:34] So
[1:11:35] >> he appreciate that.
[1:11:36] >> He is fabulous. But I've gone off the
[1:11:38] agenda. So Jod's probably about ready to
[1:11:41] start throwing stuff at me. Um, this is
[1:11:44] actually not about all that as much as
[1:11:46] it is about this contract. Um, that does
[1:11:49] put us in an agreement with the county.
[1:11:52] So I will need to submit this packet to
[1:11:54] them to go over all the itemized
[1:11:56] elements of this. Um, we are
[1:12:00] obliged in that contract. So, as you
[1:12:03] share any more pictures from that event,
[1:12:06] if you can just put uh sponsored by Utah
[1:12:09] County,
[1:12:10] >> okay,
[1:12:10] >> on those im those things. Um, but we
[1:12:15] will if you guys do vote for me to sign
[1:12:18] that, I will sign that, get that all
[1:12:20] sent over and we can get that
[1:12:21] reimbursement of the 1500 from the
[1:12:23] county. Um, they were really excited
[1:12:25] about that. I'm glad that they um chose
[1:12:28] to help the cities in that because I
[1:12:30] think that as I saw different people
[1:12:33] posting pictures around um some cities
[1:12:36] did it as a whole city like us, some did
[1:12:38] it as neighborhoods. Um but it was just
[1:12:42] neat to see uh all these different
[1:12:44] people just getting together as as a
[1:12:47] community in whatever size and shape or
[1:12:49] form that they wanted. But the that the
[1:12:51] county acknowledged that that's an
[1:12:54] important thing and um that helped us be
[1:12:57] able to
[1:12:59] know of what what parameters we wanted
[1:13:01] to put on our celebration.
[1:13:04] >> Yeah, it it was so fabulous. Um just for
[1:13:08] an FYI as well, county currently is
[1:13:10] looking to do a joint city and we're
[1:13:14] trying to fill out exactly what that
[1:13:15] looks like. Um fireworks show that will
[1:13:19] be on Utah Lake.
[1:13:21] Um, so it'll be shot out of the center
[1:13:24] of the fourth of July.
[1:13:25] >> For the 24th of July 24th,
[1:13:28] >> for safety reasons.
[1:13:30] >> Yeah.
[1:13:30] >> Uh, I think that helps the decrease. Put
[1:13:33] a barge out there.
[1:13:34] >> Well, so kind of like the mountain where
[1:13:38] I grew up in northern Idaho in Port
[1:13:40] Lane.
[1:13:41] >> Um, that's what that's what we did. We
[1:13:43] do every year. It's a big barge and
[1:13:45] everybody actually goes out in their
[1:13:46] boats and watches as it comes up out of
[1:13:49] the
[1:13:49] >> Fourth of July. We were at Henry's Lake
[1:13:50] and they
[1:13:52] Salem days is coming up. That's what
[1:13:53] they do. They have a barge that goes out
[1:13:55] on Salem Pond.
[1:13:56] >> Yeah,
[1:13:57] >> that's really a lot of them. There's
[1:13:58] some on the on the side and we get to
[1:14:00] shoot water at the barge sometimes.
[1:14:04] >> It's fun.
[1:14:04] >> Cool.
[1:14:05] >> Okay. Uh any other questions about that
[1:14:08] uh contractor agreement?
[1:14:09] >> Nope.
[1:14:10] >> Okay. Um update on the pavement uh
[1:14:14] preservation project and road bond.
[1:14:17] Community Development Director and Fire
[1:14:19] Chief Ted Mickelson.
[1:14:22] >> An allaround good guy,
[1:14:25] >> future helicopter pilot.
[1:14:30] » Your your your biggest uh antagonist is
[1:14:33] now seeming to be your largest
[1:14:36] >> I know we talked about this at staff
[1:14:38] meeting. I think we're getting close.
[1:14:40] He's wearing her down.
[1:14:42] >> Yeah. Yeah. Um, so we had a
[1:14:47] pre-construction meeting for the
[1:14:49] pavement management project that we'll
[1:14:50] be doing. Um, they got their schedule
[1:14:53] just a couple of days ago and they're
[1:14:56] planning to start some activity next
[1:14:58] week. So, you'll start seeing some
[1:15:00] activity next week on the streets.
[1:15:02] They'll be basically lowering all the
[1:15:04] manholes and valve boxes and stuff like
[1:15:05] that because they got to lower those
[1:15:06] down to grind the pavement. And then
[1:15:09] starting o August 3rd, that week,
[1:15:12] they'll start grinding pavement and um
[1:15:16] grading and then putting down the new
[1:15:18] asphalt the street. So they're going to
[1:15:20] do it in like three segments,
[1:15:24] like kind of like three segments. So
[1:15:25] they'll go through and they'll grind and
[1:15:27] grade and pave one section, then I'll
[1:15:30] start working on another section. It
[1:15:32] takes about a week and a half to two
[1:15:34] weeks per section. So it'll be three of
[1:15:35] them. Take about six weeks. So, you're
[1:15:37] going to do similar to what you did last
[1:15:39] time where there's a
[1:15:42] some sort of a notification that goes
[1:15:44] out to those affected and
[1:15:48] um so that they'll know which roads are
[1:15:50] >> door hangers.
[1:15:51] >> Well, that takes all the fun out of the
[1:15:53] project. We just like guess them. Um
[1:15:56] >> all around good guy, huh?
[1:15:59] >> Take back what I said.
[1:16:02] >> Like to keep it exciting there.
[1:16:05] We'll be using our uh new notification
[1:16:08] software that we have to let residents
[1:16:10] know. I'll probably send one out
[1:16:11] tomorrow just letting them know dates. I
[1:16:13] don't have specific uh I've asked the
[1:16:15] contractor for the specific dates of
[1:16:17] specific streets
[1:16:19] >> and then we can also use our new
[1:16:20] platform to notify those streets and
[1:16:22] then they will also be doing door
[1:16:24] hangers and just like they did before.
[1:16:26] So kind of the same process and there'll
[1:16:28] be traffic control up and stuff like And
[1:16:29] what about you did a map last time too
[1:16:32] that then we were able to put on social
[1:16:34] media just to show all the residents
[1:16:37] this area is right now
[1:16:40] >> you know
[1:16:40] >> right it'll be the same thing we'll have
[1:16:42] the map link to it in our new software
[1:16:44] and all that kind of stuff when we send
[1:16:45] it out.
[1:16:46] >> Um just waiting on the more detailed
[1:16:48] information. I don't have that yet.
[1:16:51] >> On Yahifi you have us included on all
[1:16:55] sendouts even if we're not in an
[1:16:57] affected area. Yes.
[1:16:58] >> So we can So Yahify is like every
[1:17:01] weekend we can most all everything I've
[1:17:02] sent out so far through Yahify is about
[1:17:04] to everybody.
[1:17:05] >> Um but we can map if we want to send out
[1:17:07] certain areas you just go pick on the
[1:17:08] map.
[1:17:09] >> Yeah. So if you do that like we we did
[1:17:11] that with we changed Everbridge to where
[1:17:13] all of us were getting it because we'll
[1:17:15] get calls from people and we're not in
[1:17:17] the area never get the message. So you
[1:17:19] could add all of us on the Opify.
[1:17:22] >> You can't each one of those. You have to
[1:17:24] pick the map area and then then you have
[1:17:26] to individually select the editor you
[1:17:27] want to add.
[1:17:28] >> Okay. Yeah. If you can make sure that we
[1:17:29] get added to those and probably Lori and
[1:17:32] Jody is and as well and Wayne
[1:17:36] >> as best as I remember I'll I'll try to
[1:17:38] do that.
[1:17:40] I'm climbing up in here. So
[1:17:43] um
[1:17:46] so so this will take till somewhere
[1:17:48] around the first week of September. So,
[1:17:50] I mean, it's going to impact the
[1:17:51] community. We're g have to, you know,
[1:17:53] some diver of defers and stuff like
[1:17:55] that. But, uh, I think the end result
[1:17:57] will be great to have some these roads
[1:17:58] redone.
[1:18:00] >> Our roads to worry about and then the
[1:18:02] county roads and then Salem roads. So,
[1:18:04] we're still going to be able to get out,
[1:18:06] right?
[1:18:07] >> Between the three projects
[1:18:09] >> somehow, worst case scenario, knows.
[1:18:12] >> We're going to be able.
[1:18:15] >> So, this going to be giving people
[1:18:18] rides.
[1:18:21] Um, so this project does include
[1:18:24] Woodland Hills Drive, the segments that
[1:18:26] weren't completed with the last
[1:18:27] projects. Beyond that, most of the works
[1:18:30] can be done at the top of the city. So,
[1:18:31] Eagle Nest, Loafer,
[1:18:34] um, Autumnly Circle, Deep Forest. So, a
[1:18:37] few of those. So, other than Woodland
[1:18:38] Hills Drive, most of it will be up on
[1:18:41] the top of the city. So, so generally
[1:18:43] most of the community won't be impacted
[1:18:45] plus Shadow Ridge.
[1:18:46] >> Yeah. Uh so we'll have a lot of the
[1:18:47] community that won't be impacted very
[1:18:49] heavily or the main travel routes other
[1:18:50] than once we get one minute drive done
[1:18:52] but uh there's a little piece on Lil
[1:18:54] Reed too. So but Sonic drives all done
[1:18:57] and most of uh Willer
[1:19:01] is done. Just a little piece there. So
[1:19:04] nice
[1:19:04] >> chain breaker.
[1:19:05] >> Yeah.
[1:19:06] >> What's that?
[1:19:07] >> The chain breaker for the plows right
[1:19:08] there at the end of Willow Reed. That's
[1:19:10] a bugger when you're on a plow on that
[1:19:12] one.
[1:19:14] >> Yeah. So, I think it'll be great to have
[1:19:16] it done. So, that's the schedule on the
[1:19:18] payment management plan. Um, as far as
[1:19:20] the bond for it goes, um, we went out to
[1:19:24] RFP for a
[1:19:27] essentially a bank to bond for the, uh,
[1:19:30] project, the 1.4 million. Got three
[1:19:34] back. uh our council felt like the
[1:19:38] interest rates on those were just a
[1:19:39] little higher than he was liking and he
[1:19:41] thought there may be some better options
[1:19:43] to get a little bit lower interest. In
[1:19:45] doing some research he found uh a
[1:19:49] loan bank basically for lack of a better
[1:19:52] term through UD do. It's called the
[1:19:54] state infrastructure bank and they will
[1:19:56] loan out money through the state
[1:19:57] infrastructure bank and it's a little
[1:19:59] lower interest rates than you'll get in
[1:20:00] the market. um could be a half a point
[1:20:02] to a point lower uh which saves us, you
[1:20:05] know, some good money over 10 years. So,
[1:20:08] um he recommended that. So, I reached
[1:20:11] out to them. Uh filled out the
[1:20:13] application this week. Um we'll be
[1:20:15] working on some more paperwork. We'll
[1:20:17] find out in August.
[1:20:19] Um they have a board meeting in August
[1:20:21] that we'll be going to. We'll find out
[1:20:22] if they'll fund the project. If they
[1:20:24] fund it, uh it takes, I think you said,
[1:20:26] 10 days to close on it. So we we'll have
[1:20:28] the money in place before our first
[1:20:30] pay request is due to the contractor. If
[1:20:34] it doesn't get funded through the state
[1:20:35] infrastructure bank, then we can go back
[1:20:37] to the lowest of the three that
[1:20:39] submitted and just and go with them.
[1:20:41] >> And we've still got some funds that we
[1:20:44] that a lot in our that we already have.
[1:20:46] So we can make a payment if we if we
[1:20:48] needed to. So,
[1:20:50] >> so we're working with uh the U do
[1:20:53] contact right now to get all that
[1:20:54] information filled out and then we'll go
[1:20:55] to port.
[1:20:59] » So, we just have the options and we'll
[1:21:02] see. We'll take the best rate. We will
[1:21:04] get it funded. It's just a matter of
[1:21:07] which selection we make.
[1:21:10] >> Okay. Uh any questions for Ted on that?
[1:21:13] So, got a question that's not really on
[1:21:16] here, but is is in relation. July 1st
[1:21:20] has come and gone. How is our is water
[1:21:23] funding looking? Have we been able to
[1:21:26] put in an application for
[1:21:32] No, we didn't get an application into
[1:21:33] the state for um
[1:21:37] SRF funds for the state yet. Um,
[1:21:42] >> are you waiting for Burgess? Is that I
[1:21:43] mean, is that what you're waiting on to
[1:21:45] find out?
[1:21:45] >> Yeah, because we don't know how much
[1:21:46] they're going to uh when we submitted
[1:21:49] for the grant with Burgess's office, the
[1:21:52] request was for originally 2.9 million.
[1:21:55] Um, they asked us to give them phases at
[1:21:59] which we would be comfortable funding.
[1:22:01] So, the short of it is it ranges
[1:22:03] anywhere between a billion 2.9 million.
[1:22:04] We don't know how much of that we get,
[1:22:06] if any. We are number four out of 20 on
[1:22:09] the list on his list. So, it's a good
[1:22:11] chance.
[1:22:11] >> It's a good chance we're going to get
[1:22:12] something. We don't know how much yet.
[1:22:15] And I wanted to wait to find out how
[1:22:16] much we're getting from him and then
[1:22:18] supplement that with state. Because if
[1:22:20] you take funding that you have already
[1:22:22] acquired to the state,
[1:22:25] you have the chance of getting better
[1:22:27] funding with the state because you're
[1:22:28] leveraging it with the funding you have.
[1:22:30] Now, the other caveat to that is you
[1:22:32] can't use federal money to leverage
[1:22:34] federal money. So, then I have to work
[1:22:36] state to get it out of their state
[1:22:37] money. If that makes sense.
[1:22:38] >> Yes. Um, there's no jeopardy in there's
[1:22:41] no chance of us losing the opportunity
[1:22:44] if I mean it's
[1:22:45] >> they're not going to cut off
[1:22:47] applications because they've had enough
[1:22:49] of them and
[1:22:51] >> um No, I mean the way the state works
[1:22:55] it's a revolving fund.
[1:22:56] >> Yeah, but they they cut off applications
[1:22:58] for over six months. So
[1:23:00] >> that wasn't because of
[1:23:02] >> Yeah,
[1:23:02] >> that wasn't because of funding issues.
[1:23:04] That was because and I actually was
[1:23:06] sitting in the board meeting and and
[1:23:08] supported and voted that uh to put the
[1:23:11] mortorium on. The problem was is during
[1:23:13] >> it's all your fault.
[1:23:14] >> Problem is during the uh ARPA era, yes,
[1:23:18] >> they had so many applications and so
[1:23:20] much funding that went out that they
[1:23:22] just kind of lost track, for lack of
[1:23:24] better term, of what was going on. And
[1:23:25] they have so few staff to manage all
[1:23:27] this. So, what they wanted to do is take
[1:23:29] a six-month breather and catch up on all
[1:23:31] of this to figure out exactly what they
[1:23:33] had out, what they had coming in before
[1:23:35] they kind of re-engaged.
[1:23:37] >> Okay. I just don't want to get caught in
[1:23:38] that again because everybody's been
[1:23:39] waiting for six months and they're going
[1:23:40] to get inundated and then I don't want
[1:23:42] to get
[1:23:44] be so because we didn't do anything.
[1:23:48] >> Makes sense. I trust I trust your your
[1:23:50] judgment on it.
[1:23:51] >> Yeah. I think if we can find out what um
[1:23:53] and I've tried to reach out to Burg's
[1:23:56] office and haven't been successful
[1:23:57] getting
[1:23:57] >> Oh, he was he was with the president
[1:23:59] earlier so we busy.
[1:24:01] >> Well, I work with their one of their
[1:24:02] staff guys who I work with and and I I
[1:24:04] haven't been successful getting follow
[1:24:06] in. I'd follow up. I was talking to him.
[1:24:09] >> Do you have any contacts? I'm just
[1:24:10] trying to keep reaching out to him to
[1:24:11] find out. I I just mean the timing of
[1:24:13] it. I don't know where the timing is.
[1:24:15] >> I know. And and and we're all anxious
[1:24:18] for that.
[1:24:20] >> Yeah. Oh yeah, tell me about it. I don't
[1:24:22] like these.
[1:24:24] >> Wait for the next Saturday night. One of
[1:24:25] the morning water breaks.
[1:24:29] » Thank you for
[1:24:31] Don't you worry.
[1:24:33] >> Anything else on water or on the
[1:24:36] pavement management plan
[1:24:38] talking other grants too or just the
[1:24:40] >> we we're headed right into the other
[1:24:42] grants. So
[1:24:44] >> Ted, update on our other grants.
[1:24:48] Um so the other one we we've been
[1:24:51] awarded is the football court grant and
[1:24:53] we have engaged with our engineering
[1:24:54] company and have a contract in place.
[1:24:56] They have actually surveyed the property
[1:24:58] been up there survey department ready.
[1:25:00] So now they're what they call the base
[1:25:01] map. Now they're putting the all the
[1:25:04] nuts and bolts into the plan and then
[1:25:06] they'll start the design. So that one's
[1:25:08] moving along. I asked if they can push
[1:25:11] this one and maybe start something this
[1:25:13] fall on the project. So,
[1:25:17] hopefully I I I don't know uh how it
[1:25:20] depends on the season whether we'll be
[1:25:21] able to start something this year or
[1:25:22] not, but we're going to try.
[1:25:25] >> Um details on that. Um can we see plans
[1:25:29] on that?
[1:25:30] >> You don't have them yet?
[1:25:31] >> I don't have them when we have them.
[1:25:33] >> Okay. No yet or anything? Okay. Okay. Um
[1:25:36] the reason why is I have been doing
[1:25:38] quite a bit of research on if we are
[1:25:41] wanting to do a fundraiser for some of
[1:25:43] that. Um, I found some brick options.
[1:25:47] There's there's quite a few out there.
[1:25:49] >> Yeah. So,
[1:25:50] >> the papers or whatever
[1:25:51] >> papers or whatever we want to do. We
[1:25:53] could even do benches, plaques. We can
[1:25:55] do all kinds of things. So,
[1:25:57] >> can sell paddles that say Wooden Hills
[1:25:59] on them
[1:26:00] >> literally. Yeah. I mean, we we can kind
[1:26:02] of make this a cool thing and and get
[1:26:03] some community involvement. But
[1:26:05] somewhere along the way, we should
[1:26:07] probably all sit down and just discuss
[1:26:10] if there's a good strategy around that.
[1:26:12] Why don't you uh get with mayor and Jod
[1:26:16] and put put some stuff together and just
[1:26:18] get it on the
[1:26:19] >> and I can show you when we submit the
[1:26:21] application we kind of came up with
[1:26:22] here's where we caught a walk to go
[1:26:25] >> and we had some ideas and it the
[1:26:28] engineers um so that trail um from where
[1:26:33] the flag pole is
[1:26:35] >> there's a trail that kind of goes
[1:26:39] >> south
[1:26:40] >> along and then drops the hill. That
[1:26:43] trail is going to come out because
[1:26:45] that's where the pickle ball court's
[1:26:46] going to go and we'll have to move it
[1:26:47] around. We'll still connect those two
[1:26:49] pieces. Um, but we'll move it towards
[1:26:51] the pavilion, the trail. But we thought
[1:26:53] that might be a nice spot to have a
[1:26:55] paper area right through there on the
[1:26:57] pickle ball court. Maybe put a couple
[1:26:59] benches and those could be donated items
[1:27:00] that would connect. We're going to build
[1:27:02] a trail, an ADA trail from the parking
[1:27:04] lot over to the pickle ball court. So,
[1:27:09] we connect that trail to the other by
[1:27:11] the flags, but and that would be a nice
[1:27:14] spot.
[1:27:15] >> So, um I think something like that would
[1:27:17] be great.
[1:27:17] >> Okay, cool. Um yeah, so it would just be
[1:27:21] like discussing scopes and
[1:27:25] strategy around it, costs, all that
[1:27:27] stuff.
[1:27:27] >> Once we get kind of a preliminary plan
[1:27:30] from them, a preliminary layout plan, we
[1:27:32] could probably start coming up with some
[1:27:33] of these square footage areas and stuff
[1:27:34] like that.
[1:27:36] It could be a good
[1:27:39] then we have some good information to go
[1:27:40] out. Yeah. And I need the square footage
[1:27:42] for if I can get the the coatings
[1:27:46] donated or at least at better good
[1:27:48] pricing. So, I need that once I get that
[1:27:51] put together.
[1:27:54] >> During our kickoff with the uh paving
[1:27:56] contractor, we also talked to them about
[1:27:59] paving the parking lot.
[1:28:01] >> Parking lot. And if we if we Mike could
[1:28:04] get th this kind of information um and
[1:28:07] decide on it prior to Woodland Hills
[1:28:09] Day, we could sell the pavers at
[1:28:11] Woodland Hills Day even though they
[1:28:13] won't be put in till next year, next
[1:28:16] summer, fall or spring.
[1:28:17] >> Have signups,
[1:28:18] >> but we could have signups for those who
[1:28:20] are wanting to do something.
[1:28:21] >> Probably want some pictures or posters
[1:28:23] like conceptual of what it you know what
[1:28:25] I mean? If you had all of that and
[1:28:27] >> Yeah.
[1:28:27] >> and show them what a paper will look
[1:28:29] like, you know, with the name in it. I
[1:28:31] think that would be
[1:28:32] >> that would I think people would be real
[1:28:34] that would get them all excited and and
[1:28:36] again if we want to do the paddles or
[1:28:38] whatever we want to do if we had a
[1:28:40] little booth at Woodland Hills day just
[1:28:42] to talk about it and showcase where it's
[1:28:44] going to be there and
[1:28:46] >> that kind of thing
[1:28:47] >> we have we have a well the paddles are
[1:28:49] fun
[1:28:51] something it's kind of fun we whenever
[1:28:54] we pull it out we're like oh it's a
[1:28:56] pickle ball it's no it's a what's the
[1:28:58] other one ping pong but it's just fun
[1:28:59] because it's
[1:29:00] kind of a memory thing.
[1:29:03] >> Yeah. Okay. Well, I've got a lot of
[1:29:05] information. So, whenever we want to
[1:29:07] connect and just kind of come up with a
[1:29:10] strategy, however we do that, I don't
[1:29:12] know if we put a task force together or
[1:29:13] what. I mean, I hate to
[1:29:16] >> design.
[1:29:24] What size of donations are you looking
[1:29:27] at?
[1:29:31] » You might have a gold level, you might
[1:29:36] » I just don't want to be
[1:29:39] >> sure. Sorry. I would say by the next
[1:29:41] council meeting, we'll probably be
[1:29:43] pretty close to having
[1:29:45] >> to plan far enough along start pulling
[1:29:47] off some quantities some areas and stuff
[1:29:49] like that.
[1:29:50] >> Yeah. Yeah. It just be nice to to know
[1:29:52] the whole scope because be beyond that,
[1:29:55] I also feel like beyond a monetary
[1:29:57] donation for people that might be a
[1:29:59] little more strapped that may want to
[1:30:01] donate some time to some benefit to the
[1:30:03] city or the project, maybe that's an
[1:30:06] option. So different a little bit later
[1:30:09] when probably a little farther along in
[1:30:10] the plans we have kind of a rest of the
[1:30:13] school
[1:30:13] >> but still capture them.
[1:30:15] >> Yeah, just that's the point.
[1:30:17] >> There are some ideas we've had is we got
[1:30:19] to relocate that's on us. So we got a
[1:30:21] bunch of screens we got to relocate so
[1:30:23] those that have that capability can help
[1:30:24] us out there.
[1:30:26] >> Um some things like that. We're going to
[1:30:27] have to replant some grass probably once
[1:30:29] we once we dig this up and things like
[1:30:31] >> to somebody that can do all of those
[1:30:33] things.
[1:30:35] I'm really good at volunteering him.
[1:30:38] >> So, I think we'll have some good ideas,
[1:30:40] some things they can do.
[1:30:43] >> Yeah. So, anyways, I there there's quite
[1:30:44] a bit of opportunity here and a pretty
[1:30:47] streamlined process with the company I
[1:30:50] contacted.
[1:30:55] » Great. Thanks.
[1:30:57] >> Great. Okay.
[1:30:59] >> Wonderful. Um
[1:31:04] » discussion of uh you you you you might
[1:31:06] as well just stay there for a second but
[1:31:08] we have a discussion on large purchases.
[1:31:11] Um so in the budget we have allocated um
[1:31:15] repairing the city center. Um so that is
[1:31:18] this whole wall needs to be ripped off
[1:31:20] and redone because it is leaking
[1:31:22] currently into the building and I hear
[1:31:24] leaking into building is bad. Um and
[1:31:27] then there's a number of spots all the
[1:31:29] way around the building. Um we are are
[1:31:33] budgeted for this in the budget. Um the
[1:31:36] bid that came back is what is in the
[1:31:38] budget and that is $32,47.38
[1:31:43] um which is there's an extensive amount
[1:31:45] of work that needs to be done. Um and so
[1:31:48] that is what this large purchase request
[1:31:50] is.
[1:31:51] >> Did it go out to multiple bids or just
[1:31:54] did you just get a single? I just got
[1:31:56] the single one. Um though we could
[1:31:59] >> I don't know. I think we're required at
[1:32:01] 40, right?
[1:32:02] >> It is. Yes.
[1:32:03] >> So we're okay being under 40 but just
[1:32:05] going single source.
[1:32:07] >> What was the amount again? Sorry, Ben.
[1:32:09] >> 32,47.38.
[1:32:14] » And it's all exterior work or does that
[1:32:16] include interior work?
[1:32:17] >> That's all exterior work. So that
[1:32:20] includes
[1:32:22] removal, demolition, garbage, uh install
[1:32:25] or new OSB where needed. Um that
[1:32:30] includes all of the waterproofing,
[1:32:32] flashing, uh sighting installed and culd
[1:32:36] and then painted.
[1:32:38] >> And what's the timeline for this? Are we
[1:32:40] thinking?
[1:32:41] >> Um that would start, if approved
[1:32:43] tonight, that would start quite soon.
[1:32:46] Next couple weeks. We definitely want
[1:32:48] that done before.
[1:32:52] » So,
[1:32:55] >> yes. Is there a guarantee is yours
[1:32:57] guarantee that goes with that work?
[1:33:00] >> Yes.
[1:33:01] >> Yep.
[1:33:03] >> Um, so that's my world is contracting
[1:33:08] and
[1:33:09] >> I don't know the magnitude, the scope or
[1:33:11] whatever, but it feels high.
[1:33:16] I'm more than open to other options
[1:33:20] >> because if we can get it at a better
[1:33:21] rate with some competent construct some
[1:33:26] >> competent contractors if I could speak
[1:33:28] that would be helpful competent
[1:33:30] contractors
[1:33:32] >> um I'd love to to head down this
[1:33:34] >> I think one of the problems we've had in
[1:33:36] the past is because our jobs are so
[1:33:38] small that most contractors have other
[1:33:41] big projects somewhere else and we're
[1:33:43] just happy when we can find somebody
[1:33:44] that will come here. But if you know
[1:33:46] other people that might be
[1:33:48] >> great.
[1:33:48] >> Do we have enough information to put a a
[1:33:50] scope of work, a sale together? It
[1:33:52] sounds difficult.
[1:33:55] >> It is the the other issue, and I'd love
[1:33:59] to talk with you, Steve, on this. Um
[1:34:04] because of the way this building's
[1:34:06] built, the primary reason we have the
[1:34:08] leaking on this is this wall right here
[1:34:12] is foundation. So this is concrete right
[1:34:15] here. It's the same stuff Steve used to
[1:34:18] build his home. This wall is not. And so
[1:34:22] what's happened is this wall where it
[1:34:24] stops right there cuz these trusses sit
[1:34:28] on the foundation wall. There is a ledge
[1:34:31] that was created and they need to build
[1:34:34] the it needs to be flat on the exterior
[1:34:36] and it was not done. And so it created a
[1:34:38] ledge by which snow, rain, water sits
[1:34:42] and it has then wicked up. It has
[1:34:44] corroded the Hardy. And so this whole
[1:34:48] section needs to be built out and then
[1:34:50] resurfaced.
[1:34:52] >> But it's just to to go out for multiple
[1:34:54] bid, you've got to have a a good scope.
[1:34:57] >> Absolutely
[1:34:58] >> correct.
[1:34:58] >> I would just suggest have people look at
[1:35:00] it.
[1:35:00] >> You want to just do that.
[1:35:01] >> That's the only way this
[1:35:04] >> is it's a fairly
[1:35:06] in and and scope is really a really
[1:35:10] small job. It's it's you know
[1:35:14] >> I think the ch yeah it's a pretty small
[1:35:16] job and I think the challenge with the
[1:35:17] scope of work is then you're dictating
[1:35:18] what you want done.
[1:35:21] Yeah. I think if you have someone kind
[1:35:22] of look at it and give their, you know,
[1:35:24] give their um estimates based on what
[1:35:27] they recommend and then take then what
[1:35:29] you do is you take at least in in
[1:35:31] because I worked a lot in Steve's world
[1:35:34] only the heavy civil side and you know a
[1:35:36] lot of what we would do is we do what we
[1:35:37] call the best value say who's giving us
[1:35:39] the best product for the best price and
[1:35:41] necessarily the cheapest not the most
[1:35:44] expensive but what are we getting a good
[1:35:45] product for you know the right price. So
[1:35:47] >> and and let's get some people to to look
[1:35:50] at it. looking at this be the best
[1:35:52] option
[1:35:53] >> maybe um
[1:35:57] does our inspections um
[1:35:59] >> no not the engineer um what's his name
[1:36:04] >> who does what
[1:36:05] >> what's over offer
[1:36:06] >> Chris Tambasco
[1:36:07] >> Tenbasco maybe have him just kind of
[1:36:10] look at that help review him maybe he
[1:36:12] would be willing to do that and and you
[1:36:15] Ted you and and Chris and just kind of
[1:36:19] said so you guys can put your brains
[1:36:21] together as as experts in in this field
[1:36:23] and say, "Yeah, this is this is the
[1:36:25] where the direction we want to go."
[1:36:27] >> Yeah. And I think even if you have
[1:36:28] contractors, I mean, it's pretty for the
[1:36:30] most part straightforward. Um it's just
[1:36:32] a matter of how much you want.
[1:36:34] >> Yeah.
[1:36:36] >> Kind of like when we did our wall out
[1:36:37] here, you know, I did I called out two
[1:36:39] or three companies, Geotech, and had
[1:36:41] them come and look at it and say, "Give
[1:36:42] me your thoughts on what needs to be
[1:36:43] done."
[1:36:44] and and for the most part they both came
[1:36:47] to the same kind of conclusions and
[1:36:50] general cost but um at least that way
[1:36:53] you've kind of validated
[1:36:55] that kind of stuff. So I think you got a
[1:36:57] couple three guys that do that type of
[1:36:58] work look at it and say what what you
[1:37:00] recommended what your cost then you just
[1:37:02] evaluate what they've done and what what
[1:37:04] their recommend cost is.
[1:37:06] >> So I emailed each of you that that bid
[1:37:10] so you can go through and see kind of
[1:37:12] what they articulated. They came out um
[1:37:15] two or three times to make sure to get
[1:37:18] that scope. Um
[1:37:21] so yeah, I'm more than happy. If we can
[1:37:23] find a a cheaper and also reliable
[1:37:26] company, I'm I'm game for that. This is
[1:37:28] a company I personally have used a lot.
[1:37:31] Um so I know their their quality and the type of attention that they will
[1:37:37] give us, but that'd be great.
[1:37:43] Wonderful. Okay. Departmental updates.
[1:37:45] Uh Ted, Community Development, Public
[1:37:48] Works, Fire Department.
[1:37:49] >> Um so just a quick update on the
[1:37:51] roundabout project. Uh spoke with the
[1:37:53] county today and um the design for the
[1:37:58] roundabouts completed. The property
[1:38:02] acquisition exhibits are all prepared.
[1:38:05] They had to make an change on it based
[1:38:07] on some conversations they had with
[1:38:09] three bridges. So those changes have now
[1:38:11] been made,
[1:38:13] delayed the project a bit. So they're
[1:38:17] going to start working on property
[1:38:18] acquisition, but the project probably
[1:38:20] won't go to bid until this fall.
[1:38:23] >> So they'll start construction in the
[1:38:24] spring.
[1:38:27] So that's kind of their schedule. But
[1:38:29] how the timing of that also is uh works
[1:38:32] a little bit better with that sewer
[1:38:33] project. They were a little nervous
[1:38:35] because they're bringing that sewer
[1:38:36] right now up drive. That's the work of
[1:38:39] this drive. bring the sew work for three
[1:38:40] bridges. Um, and their fear was because
[1:38:43] their project for the county actually
[1:38:45] extends down within those driveways and
[1:38:48] they didn't want to get the work
[1:38:49] complete and then have the contractor
[1:38:50] doing the utilities tear off
[1:38:52] >> tear it up patch job. Yeah.
[1:38:53] >> Yeah. So, they wanted to wait till all
[1:38:55] that was complete and as well. So,
[1:38:58] >> uh, so probably be bid out this fall and
[1:39:00] then start working the spring.
[1:39:01] >> So, if they're not going to start
[1:39:02] construction till spring, will we be
[1:39:04] able to use the mailboxes mailboxes
[1:39:06] until then? We won't need our
[1:39:08] temporaries this year, but we'll
[1:39:10] probably next spring.
[1:39:11] >> Yeah, he recommended having them
[1:39:13] probably in place and ready by sometime
[1:39:14] around the first of the year and then
[1:39:16] that way they're ready to go when
[1:39:19] they're ready to start.
[1:39:20] >> Okay.
[1:39:24] » Um I've already updated you on the
[1:39:27] project. I think that's the biggest
[1:39:28] things we have in public works right
[1:39:29] now. Um water fountain park works.
[1:39:32] >> Woohoo.
[1:39:33] >> So
[1:39:35] that's news. Did we just have a valve?
[1:39:38] >> Uh the phone a friend worked. No, it's
[1:39:40] not a valve. It is a process that I
[1:39:42] don't know that I could describe to you
[1:39:44] of how this got how this thing works.
[1:39:46] But uh but we got we got shown how it
[1:39:48] works. And uh it's it's kind of it's
[1:39:52] >> tube is plugged in one place. You got to
[1:39:53] plug it into another place and it's
[1:39:55] anyway
[1:39:57] >> drafting
[1:39:58] sort of. Yeah, it's lifting.
[1:40:01] >> Exactly.
[1:40:02] >> So anyway, we got it figured out. So
[1:40:04] it's working. Um, our wildland fire crew
[1:40:08] right now is on the uh
[1:40:12] Stuki Stookie fire.
[1:40:15] So, um, they've been out there for about
[1:40:18] not a week now.
[1:40:20] So, we're excited to see them paying
[1:40:22] their way this year. So, they got some
[1:40:24] good buyers.
[1:40:27] Get some good stuff.
[1:40:28] >> Unfortunately, they're local. They're
[1:40:30] all in Utah.
[1:40:31] >> Yes.
[1:40:32] >> I mean, a lot of them
[1:40:33] >> they have not left Utah this year. Well,
[1:40:35] Take it back in the spring.
[1:40:40] » They've stayed in state.
[1:40:41] >> That's what I was thinking. I was
[1:40:42] thinking most of them
[1:40:43] >> coming out to the Stuki fire last week
[1:40:46] few days ago.
[1:40:52] » That's all I have.
[1:40:54] >> Perfect. Okay. Thank you, Dad. You're free to back to the back. Uh
[1:41:01] Wayne, planning commission and code
[1:41:03] enforcement. Do you have anything?
[1:41:05] >> Yeah. Let me
[1:41:09] share a thought with y'all. In June's
[1:41:13] Wayne's World, I put out an open
[1:41:16] invitation to the city if anybody had
[1:41:19] any thoughts or ideas about changing our
[1:41:21] ordinances, any of them in in any way,
[1:41:25] shape, or form. Um, I got one response.
[1:41:30] So to me it says that everybody's
[1:41:32] generally happy with with ordinances as they are.
[1:41:37] >> You can read in
[1:41:37] >> you know you said that on record.
[1:41:40] >> Let's let it slide. Carry on. This is
[1:41:42] Wayne's time everybody.
[1:41:44] >> And the uh the recommendations had to do
[1:41:47] with our uh fencing ordinance
[1:41:50] interestingly enough and some of the
[1:41:53] recommendations
[1:41:55] are already in our existing fencing
[1:41:57] ordinance. This person didn't realize
[1:42:00] that a number of years ago they were
[1:42:02] updated some and so our recommend the
[1:42:05] recommendations are already in place in
[1:42:08] some respects. So anyway, I just want to
[1:42:11] close the circle for the council to know that and that of course we're open anytime somebody wants to
[1:42:19] make a a recommendation. But um anyway,
[1:42:23] that's that's what that's what we got in
[1:42:26] June.
[1:42:27] >> Anyway, somebody reached out.
[1:42:30] >> Yeah. Yeah. I'd love to see
[1:42:33] >> that shows too that um sometimes
[1:42:35] residents don't know what what's there
[1:42:38] already. And I think that's a good a
[1:42:41] good thing too to be able to say, "Oh,
[1:42:43] that's here, but your other part, let's consider that."
[1:42:46] >> Yeah.
[1:42:47] >> Very good.
[1:42:48] >> That's all.
[1:42:49] >> Thank you.
[1:42:49] Wayne. Uh nothing for
[1:42:51] emergency management today. Um but we do
[1:42:55] have our 911 dispatch. So, former fire
[1:42:59] chief, former assistant fire chief,
[1:43:01] former council member and current 911
[1:43:04] dispatch liaison
[1:43:06] >> extraordinire and the only thing I know
[1:43:10] is July 4th next year is on a Sunday.
[1:43:13] So, it kind of breaks our pattern.
[1:43:17] >> But anyway, I wanted to say that city
[1:43:20] get together was one of the biggest that
[1:43:23] I've ever been to. It was quite
[1:43:25] remarkable. So well done
[1:43:29] you who did it.
[1:43:31] Um
[1:43:33] so our uh central Utah 911
[1:43:38] dispatch meeting was cancelled
[1:43:40] and uh about two days later they texted
[1:43:44] everybody and they said, "Hey, we got to
[1:43:46] get together. We got to get together as
[1:43:47] quick as we can." And so a whole bunch
[1:43:50] of us went down there and we met because
[1:43:54] Orum and Lyndon brought a big crew in to
[1:43:59] talk to us about joining our dispatch.
[1:44:01] >> Oh.
[1:44:01] >> And that's when we know it's serious,
[1:44:03] you know.
[1:44:04] >> Yeah.
[1:44:04] >> So there were seven of them that came
[1:44:06] and uh it was one of the most
[1:44:10] interesting meetings I've ever attended.
[1:44:12] It was three and a half hours long and
[1:44:15] uh it was not boring. Um we had Lyndon fire
[1:44:23] and police. We had or fire chief and
[1:44:26] police and I knew that or chief. So it
[1:44:29] was good to go to some of those meetings
[1:44:31] with Ted and know him. So, they were
[1:44:34] there, city managers, um, and, uh,
[1:44:39] they they were very open and upfront
[1:44:43] with us. Uh, their prices were really
[1:44:46] going up this year from Metro. They're
[1:44:48] on a system with Provo, and Provo runs
[1:44:51] the system and bills them, and so they
[1:44:54] decided to raise their rates. Anyway, it
[1:44:57] got where it was necessary for them
[1:45:01] to to come to us and talk to us. Now,
[1:45:03] the state wants this to happen anyway,
[1:45:05] you know, and the feds are pushing for
[1:45:07] this,
[1:45:07] >> get these dispatch centers consolidated.
[1:45:10] >> So, so we went on talked about a lot of
[1:45:14] stuff. There'd be a million-doll buy in
[1:45:16] for them to come to our dispatch, but
[1:45:19] they would bring with them some credits
[1:45:21] if they brought hardware and so on that
[1:45:23] the dispatch could use. Of course, that
[1:45:25] would
[1:45:25] >> What about dispatchers?
[1:45:28] >> What's that?
[1:45:29] >> You know, what what about um employees?
[1:45:31] That would be that would bring in those
[1:45:33] too because we are always looking for
[1:45:34] new dispatchers.
[1:45:35] >> Yeah, they they uh they're they would
[1:45:38] have to gear up. We'd have to gear up.
[1:45:40] Luckily, we would not have to knock out
[1:45:42] a wall and build more building right
[1:45:45] now. We can we could fit the dispatchers
[1:45:47] in there that would handle they'd have
[1:45:49] like six more dispatchers that would
[1:45:51] just kind of be added to the group. um
[1:45:56] the final numbers
[1:46:00] there was a big argument about that and
[1:46:02] I learned a little bit about one of the
[1:46:05] cities in the county whose city
[1:46:07] councelor was there as a representative
[1:46:09] he's a bud
[1:46:12] and I go public saying that I didn't say
[1:46:15] which city it was so but anyway um
[1:46:18] >> he knows who he is
[1:46:19] >> and we got into we got into a real
[1:46:21] heated discussion and frankly I was
[1:46:23] embarrassed about us doing that in front
[1:46:26] of more of Lyndon, you know, potential
[1:46:28] customers, you know. So, so I kind of
[1:46:30] got animated and and and
[1:46:34] uh we we ended up voting and passing on
[1:46:39] the agreement that we that we wanted to
[1:46:41] give ORM and um and basically what it
[1:46:45] means is everybody's costs that are
[1:46:48] already on dispatch would reduce 20%
[1:46:51] every year. So that means to Woodland
[1:46:54] Hills we would pay $4,000 less every
[1:46:56] year and that's not a bad thing, you
[1:46:59] know. So plus I think we'll get better
[1:47:01] service because they'll have better
[1:47:04] equipment and they can beep up and add
[1:47:07] to it.
[1:47:09] >> So it's a done deal.
[1:47:10] >> No. Well, it it could be.
[1:47:14] >> This is kind of
[1:47:15] >> Orum was going to go back and we'll hear
[1:47:17] about it next meeting probably what
[1:47:19] their what their answers are. If they
[1:47:21] say yes, then we start the process and
[1:47:25] it takes a year to get everything worked
[1:47:28] out, training, all the employees hired,
[1:47:32] all that sort of thing. Um,
[1:47:35] then
[1:47:37] yeah, take a good year to get them
[1:47:39] converted to us. Um,
[1:47:43] there's there's hardware stuff involved,
[1:47:45] too. There's there's radios and so on.
[1:47:48] So that's that's the story from that.
[1:47:50] But I'm just uh
[1:47:52] >> you think both of them will want
[1:47:54] >> Yeah, they'll come as a package.
[1:47:56] >> Okay.
[1:47:56] >> Um there was also a representative at
[1:47:58] the meeting from Metro, which is the
[1:48:00] name of the company that runs them
[1:48:03] currently. So they were, you know, years
[1:48:06] to see what we were going to do, too. Um
[1:48:09] so that's the that's the gist of that.
[1:48:12] So I'll keep you updated.
[1:48:14] >> Thank you, Nor. We appreciate you.
[1:48:18] Okay.
[1:48:21] So, mayor, city council reports. Um, if
[1:48:25] we can, council member Hutchkins has
[1:48:27] requested uh to be able to run a
[1:48:29] presentation during his so he may exceed
[1:48:31] the the five minute request um or less.
[1:48:35] >> Ask for a five minute video and that's
[1:48:38] >> that is he he'll be close and then we'll
[1:48:40] discuss probably something about the
[1:48:42] video, but we'll see. Um, I would like
[1:48:45] to start though, there's nothing really
[1:48:47] with Mag and Cog. Um, things have been a
[1:48:49] little light with the summer months. Um,
[1:48:52] SCSD, everything is going well there.
[1:48:55] Yes.
[1:48:55] >> I just heard there's something the
[1:48:57] transfer station
[1:48:59] >> getting there. Yeah.
[1:49:00] >> So, SCSD, um, everything is actually
[1:49:04] looking really good at SCSD. I don't
[1:49:07] know if you guys have heard, Steve
[1:49:08] probably has, um,
[1:49:12] that Rocky Mountain is raising their
[1:49:14] rates quite significantly. Again, we are
[1:49:17] not. Uh, we have no price hike in the
[1:49:20] near future. We're actually looking at
[1:49:23] buying. So, SCSD is a brokerage. We do
[1:49:27] not make any of our own power
[1:49:29] electricity. we just buy it off the
[1:49:31] market and then service um the diff
[1:49:34] different areas within the SASD network.
[1:49:38] It is quite fascinating because we are
[1:49:41] part of a group that currently has kind
[1:49:44] of also now gotten in bed with
[1:49:47] California Power. Um and so we're
[1:49:50] contractually obligated to kind of join
[1:49:53] with those different uh
[1:49:57] court decisions. I'll put it that way.
[1:50:00] Um,
[1:50:01] we are currently potentially going to be
[1:50:03] able to sell those that contract to a
[1:50:07] different city who is in desperate need
[1:50:09] of that electricity. Um, and we are
[1:50:12] going to
[1:50:13] >> part of that.
[1:50:13] >> No.
[1:50:14] >> Okay.
[1:50:14] >> No. Uh, we are potentially going to
[1:50:18] start getting power from a plant out in
[1:50:22] I think out on the west side of Utah.
[1:50:25] Um, and with that we will be able to
[1:50:28] potentially actually push down the
[1:50:30] number of savings to the members of
[1:50:32] SCSD.
[1:50:34] >> Really excited about that possibility.
[1:50:36] Um, we're working on it. It is not a
[1:50:38] done deal by any stretch, but something
[1:50:40] to to think about. Um, now the Dry Creek
[1:50:44] Transfer Station,
[1:50:47] uh, the Dry Creek Transfer Station had a
[1:50:49] really fun weekend. Um, and by fun I
[1:50:53] mean not that fun.
[1:50:56] Um,
[1:50:57] on Saturday,
[1:51:00] uh, just around noon, we had an
[1:51:04] individual, a resident of somewhere, we
[1:51:07] don't know who it is, um, came and
[1:51:10] delivered and dropped off some sort of
[1:51:13] flammable liquid.
[1:51:15] um that flammable liquid from what we
[1:51:17] are seeing in the camera feed as we
[1:51:19] watched uh kind of who was there and
[1:51:22] when it got dropped off something
[1:51:25] sparked it and it the flame rolled
[1:51:28] across the pile. That's why we're not
[1:51:30] thinking it was a battery. Um and we why
[1:51:32] we're thinking it was a a liquid of some
[1:51:35] sort. um due to one critical failure of
[1:51:40] the new transfer stations
[1:51:43] emergency systems mainly the exploding
[1:51:47] open uh door kind of sunlight sun what's
[1:51:53] the sunroof the
[1:51:55] >> skylight on the roof they are supposed
[1:51:58] to blow open I learned today because I
[1:52:00] went down there today um because they're
[1:52:03] open today um I went down and apparently
[1:52:06] that company is no longer in business.
[1:52:08] So we can't even warranty them.
[1:52:11] >> So that's not the good news. But they
[1:52:14] did not open like they would. So it
[1:52:15] trapped most of the smoke which was
[1:52:18] horrendous. We had zero zero visibility.
[1:52:22] But the fire was triggered and alerted
[1:52:25] to Spanish Fork and Dispatch via our
[1:52:29] infrared heat cameras. So that worked
[1:52:31] perfectly. But by the time our
[1:52:34] individual who was trained on our water
[1:52:36] cannons in the ceiling was able to
[1:52:38] actually get to the controls of the
[1:52:41] water cannons, there was zero
[1:52:42] visibility. And so we had our sprinkler
[1:52:45] system though that activated and was
[1:52:46] doing its job. But because we could not
[1:52:49] see, we tried to just throw the water
[1:52:51] cannons around to try and keep the
[1:52:53] temperatures down, which worked until we
[1:52:57] kind of pulled by the time all other
[1:52:59] departments showed up, they pulled
[1:53:01] pretty much all the water that Spanish
[1:53:02] Fort could deliver to that region of
[1:53:05] their city. And so we turned the water
[1:53:07] cannons off uh by instructing a few of
[1:53:09] the firemen that ran in there for us to
[1:53:11] turn those off. And thus that really
[1:53:13] kind of helped bump it a little bit. Um
[1:53:16] we our department was dispatched there.
[1:53:19] Um so thank you for that. Brian himself
[1:53:22] was there. Um but
[1:53:26] there is really very very minimal
[1:53:28] damage. Um
[1:53:29] >> the net had
[1:53:32] right above where the fire was. We had a
[1:53:36] slight melting and that was it.
[1:53:39] >> Wow.
[1:53:39] >> So the bird net is mostly fine. We had a
[1:53:42] structural engineer there yesterday.
[1:53:44] There was no structural damage to the
[1:53:46] building at all. All compactors were
[1:53:49] protected by the push wall. The building
[1:53:51] worked exactly as it was designed minus
[1:53:54] the smoke.
[1:53:59] » They didn't open.
[1:54:00] >> So the we had a few firemen go up and
[1:54:04] cut the skylights open to try and help
[1:54:06] ventilate.
[1:54:07] >> Um there was a lot of chatter that was
[1:54:10] misinterpreted. Um we'll leave whom uh
[1:54:14] anonymous, but I had heard at one point
[1:54:17] the roof of the building had collapsed.
[1:54:19] I had heard we had lost a fireman, that
[1:54:21] we had one in peril, we lost to two off
[1:54:25] or members of staff for the transfer
[1:54:28] station had been lost inside.
[1:54:31] None of that actually was true. Um and
[1:54:35] everything is working perfectly. So I
[1:54:37] went down there, like I said, today and
[1:54:38] I delivered some some garbage. And I was
[1:54:42] joking with uh the head of operations
[1:54:46] there and I said, "Well, we looks like
[1:54:48] we need a fire every year just to clean
[1:54:50] the building out cuz it looks brand
[1:54:52] new." Um squeaky clean. When you throw
[1:54:55] that much water into a building, you can
[1:54:58] really clean the floor really well.
[1:55:01] >> Um so worked out really well.
[1:55:03] >> They set so much why they couldn't give
[1:55:05] them any more water. Um, and it actually
[1:55:08] set off commercial fire alarms on their
[1:55:11] uh flow. They were getting flow sensors
[1:55:14] on three different fire alarms as we
[1:55:16] were leaving. There were three buildings
[1:55:18] that were evacuated
[1:55:20] um because their fire alarms went off
[1:55:22] and it was because the flow was running
[1:55:23] backwards.
[1:55:24] >> Oh.
[1:55:25] >> Because their pressurized systems backed
[1:55:27] off when the water pressure went so low
[1:55:30] that it caused it to see a flow alarm in
[1:55:32] their fire system. Ted knows about these
[1:55:34] things and it it was impressive.
[1:55:40] >> They had to keep rotating the fireman
[1:55:42] out through it because the smoke was so
[1:55:43] strong and the heat
[1:55:44] >> and the heat the heat was unreal.
[1:55:49] >> And those guys were inside of there.
[1:55:52] >> There was one I heard that got treated
[1:55:54] for a heat illness. Two. Was there two?
[1:55:58] all that gear. You guys have
[1:56:00] >> Springville's C team. Again, another
[1:56:05] plus for uh what Aaron wants to do and
[1:56:09] bringing C here. They're Springville C
[1:56:12] team is like they're they're the gold
[1:56:14] standard. They're awesome and they were
[1:56:16] there and they were just taking care of
[1:56:19] everybody. Incredible group of people.
[1:56:22] I was extremely impressed with the
[1:56:24] county and so this is kind of a kudos to
[1:56:26] the fire department's integration across
[1:56:28] the entire county. Lehi was in Spanish
[1:56:31] Fork backfilling because all of Spanish
[1:56:34] Fork's assets were at the transfer
[1:56:36] station.
[1:56:36] >> Provo to Santa every station from Provos
[1:56:39] to Santa.
[1:56:40] >> It was impressive. So, but
[1:56:43] >> forum got called out the next day to it.
[1:56:46] >> Later that night
[1:56:46] >> or later that night. So,
[1:56:49] >> building worked.
[1:56:53] Yeah, it was it was scary, but it was also
[1:56:58] impressive to see how fabulous it went.
[1:57:01] Uh my last one is for the legal updates.
[1:57:04] Um
[1:57:06] I want to uh say something more on the
[1:57:09] record here. Um
[1:57:12] and for those that are not aware, that
[1:57:14] is fine. But I want to say something um
[1:57:18] publicly and I'll get in trouble later.
[1:57:22] But we have a dear friend um publicly uh
[1:57:27] thinking that it is his uh personal job
[1:57:30] which he has certain rights to do um to
[1:57:33] post certain political cartoons which
[1:57:37] are fine. Um he has freedom of speech
[1:57:40] which is fine. However
[1:57:43] um they have uh meandered outside the
[1:57:46] scope of just coming after the six of
[1:57:49] us. Um, as elected officials, we have
[1:57:52] somewhat signed up for that uh degree of
[1:57:54] scrutiny. Um, and if there is anything
[1:57:57] valid, legal or truthful that needs to
[1:58:00] be brought forward by members of the
[1:58:02] community, we are always open to that
[1:58:03] type of criticism or even better, uh,
[1:58:07] suggestions for how we can make make our
[1:58:09] city run better. Um, many of these have
[1:58:14] gone after former elected officials,
[1:58:17] which have been abhorent. um and quite
[1:58:20] disgusting
[1:58:21] um as well as our staff um and if it
[1:58:25] proceeds
[1:58:26] um then discussions need to take place
[1:58:30] uh further um on what the options are
[1:58:34] there. So if they want to come after the
[1:58:37] six of us who are politically elected,
[1:58:40] uh we we are here to to take those
[1:58:43] arrows for the community. But if they
[1:58:46] extend beyond that, um we will be
[1:58:49] discussing with legal counsel what are
[1:58:51] the the options to protect those that
[1:58:53] serve our community in non-elected
[1:58:56] positions.
[1:58:58] And that is uh all I have to say on
[1:59:01] that, Terry.
[1:59:03] >> Yeah.
[1:59:04] Um, most recently our clerk has been um
[1:59:08] targeted um for not having an advanced
[1:59:11] degree. And so I did contact the state
[1:59:14] and the and verified with the league
[1:59:17] that um municipal clerks and reporters
[1:59:19] do not have to have a college degree to
[1:59:22] have their job. All qualifications are
[1:59:24] set at the local level. They have to be
[1:59:27] a registered voter and live within the
[1:59:29] municipality that they serve. Um, in
[1:59:32] addition, um,
[1:59:35] we send our clerk to the Utah Municipal
[1:59:38] Clerk's Association for multiple
[1:59:41] trainings. And if I'm correct, she has
[1:59:45] the Utah Certified Clerk credential,
[1:59:48] which means that she is up to date on
[1:59:52] her skills, her knowledge, and code. And
[1:59:55] so, according to our standards, she
[1:59:58] qualifies.
[1:59:59] And personally, we know that including
[2:00:02] then institutional knowledge, she's
[2:00:04] overqualified for what we actually have
[2:00:07] her do. And um we appreciate you, Jodie,
[2:00:10] and we want you to know that we support
[2:00:13] you and we want our residents to know,
[2:00:15] whoever listens to this, that our clerk
[2:00:17] is qualified 100% to be here in this
[2:00:21] position.
[2:00:22] There's no code, state code that is
[2:00:24] broken for her to be in this position.
[2:00:29] Thank you.
[2:00:31] >> I just want to add that I've sat in on a
[2:00:34] few meetings when we're having a
[2:00:35] discussion and somebody is trying to
[2:00:39] bring up some information but they don't
[2:00:40] quite recall the details and within two
[2:00:44] minutes Jod's like I just emailed it to
[2:00:46] you. She knows where she has the record.
[2:00:49] She knows where everything is. She can
[2:00:51] find it fast. She's very organized and
[2:00:53] has an amazing system. I just the the
[2:00:56] meeting I sat in on this week, I was
[2:00:58] impressed. She there were several things
[2:00:59] that she just found them and she sent
[2:01:01] them to the person that wasn't sure on
[2:01:04] the information and she had it at her
[2:01:05] fingertips and I mean that's a huge
[2:01:07] asset. I just had to put my two cents
[2:01:10] on.
[2:01:12] >> Perfect. On a lighter note, Council
[2:01:15] Member Hutchkins.
[2:01:16] >> Okay. So, uh, on January 1st, I'd send
[2:01:19] you all the invite to the, uh, the
[2:01:22] Central Utah meeting that was that was
[2:01:25] held. Um, if you guys don't know about
[2:01:27] Strawberry and how Strawberry Water came
[2:01:30] about, you'll learn a little bit in this
[2:01:32] video, but Strawberry Water has got a
[2:01:34] fantastic video on this. I got to see,
[2:01:37] and you can check it out on YouTube. I
[2:01:39] recommend it. This one's also on
[2:01:41] YouTube. Um, but this is talking about
[2:01:44] the papers that I gave to you. This is
[2:01:46] the the Nebo MU uh what is it called?
[2:01:50] Mutual. Yeah, the Nebo regional water
[2:01:53] project. There we go. Um so this is
[2:01:56] talking about the the
[2:01:59] uh
[2:02:00] the the water plant that they're
[2:02:02] planning on putting down here across
[2:02:03] from three bridges and and things like
[2:02:05] that. So So this goes through it's a
[2:02:07] really great video and I think this is
[2:02:10] going to explain it a lot better. So
[2:02:11] hopefully the sound
[2:02:15] >> on YouTube.
[2:02:16] >> Yeah, she just wants the link to put
[2:02:17] with the
[2:02:18] >> Oh, I can do that
[2:02:19] >> with the minutes.
[2:02:22] >> What the heck? How do we do this?
[2:02:24] >> Close.
[2:02:24] >> Do I have to unmute or something?
[2:02:26] >> No, just crank it up.
[2:02:27] >> It might even be the TV.
[2:02:29] >> It's coming on my speakers.
[2:02:43] This is the southern reach of Utah
[2:02:45] Valley. It stretches from Spanish Fort
[2:02:48] Canyon in the east to Gan in the west
[2:02:52] and Jab County to the south.
[2:03:01] It's a land of orchards.
[2:03:04] Alpha country, home to 200,000
[2:03:09] people and in 40 years time 300,000
[2:03:14] more.
[2:03:16] In the year 1899,
[2:03:18] South Utah County was a dry place
[2:03:21] settled by intrepid homesteaders.
[2:03:24] The Utah Lake Basin water supply was
[2:03:27] overtaxed. It could only support limited
[2:03:30] agriculture and development in the
[2:03:32] south. A citizens committee was formed.
[2:03:37] Governor Keer Manning Wells received a
[2:03:40] petition to ascertain if the waters of
[2:03:43] Strawberry Creek and Strawberry Valley
[2:03:46] could be brought into Springville
[2:03:48] through Spanish Fork Canyon for
[2:03:51] irrigation purposes.
[2:03:53] The Strawberry Valley is a high mountain
[2:03:56] basin in the Uintas.
[2:03:58] Strawberry Creek was impounded by the
[2:04:01] Strawberry Dam.
[2:04:03] an earthfilled structure 72 ft high and
[2:04:07] 600 ft long.
[2:04:10] But Strawberry Reservoir alone would not
[2:04:13] deliver water to Utah Valley. The Wasach
[2:04:17] Range stood in the way.
[2:04:20] A fourmile tunnel was proposed to be dug
[2:04:24] through the mountain. Two digging teams
[2:04:27] worked for six years.
[2:04:36] But the two tunnels meant they were mere
[2:04:38] inches apart.
[2:04:41] The strawberry waters reached Utah
[2:04:44] Valley in 1913.
[2:04:46] The project was a triumph of engineering
[2:04:50] which has served our valley well.
[2:04:53] A century has passed.
[2:04:55] The Strawberry Valley Project alongside
[2:04:59] the central Utah project made possible
[2:05:02] the Utah Valley we recognize today.
[2:05:06] Without the remarkable foresight of our
[2:05:09] 19th century county fathers, only a
[2:05:12] fraction of South Utah Valley's
[2:05:14] agriculture would exist. Today, Utah
[2:05:18] Valley's demand for water is changing.
[2:05:22] The demands of our grandchildren's Utah
[2:05:25] Valley are not going to be the same as
[2:05:28] the present day.
[2:05:30] The stakes are high. The coming
[2:05:32] generations will depend upon our ability
[2:05:35] to supply them with water that will meet
[2:05:38] their needs. This once in a lifetime
[2:05:40] challenge has been met by a proposal,
[2:05:45] one that matches the ambitions of those
[2:05:47] that lived a 100 years ago. This
[2:05:50] proposal merges the visions of the
[2:05:53] Strawberry Valley Project and Central
[2:05:56] Utah project working in harmony. To meet
[2:05:59] these future needs, the Nebo Regional
[2:06:03] Water Project, as it is called, prepares
[2:06:06] South Utah Valley and Chad County for
[2:06:09] the next century. The proposal includes
[2:06:13] the following. A state-of-the-art water
[2:06:16] treatment plant in Salem to supplement
[2:06:19] the limited aquifer sources.
[2:06:22] in closing the Strawberry Highline Canal
[2:06:25] to improve safety and water quality and
[2:06:29] to reduce inefficiency and loss. Clean,
[2:06:33] safe water pipelines to Gan and Jwab
[2:06:36] County. The plan also calls for a
[2:06:39] multi-use community trail at top the new
[2:06:42] Highline Canal pipeline.
[2:06:45] This proposal allows agricultural users
[2:06:48] to continue farming with an eye to the
[2:06:51] next 100 years.
[2:06:54] Our water needs have never been met by
[2:06:57] small ideas.
[2:07:00] Those who once proposed the Strawberry
[2:07:02] Valley Project could hardly comprehend
[2:07:05] the agricultural bounty their work would
[2:07:08] support.
[2:07:10] Today, we can only do our best to honor
[2:07:13] their foresight with forward thinking of
[2:07:16] our own. The Nebo Regional Water Project
[2:07:19] allows us to entrust Southern Utah
[2:07:22] Valley to future generations with clean
[2:07:25] water as our gift to them.
[2:07:36] Walking makes you old. Tai Chi
[2:07:40] Okay. So,
[2:07:43] >> that might have been the greatest
[2:07:46] movie ever.
[2:07:48] >> I think he needs to do my video.
[2:07:51] >> Yeah.
[2:07:51] he was good.
[2:07:53] >> Did he stood in a pasture?
[2:07:55] >> I need to.
[2:07:56] >> Yeah,
[2:07:56] >> that would help.
[2:07:57] >> Several of the places he was standing, I
[2:07:58] was like, I know where that spot is.
[2:08:00] >> I know. One with the trees and he's by
[2:08:02] the road. That's Santa. Anyway, it was
[2:08:04] funny. I was like, I know where he's at.
[2:08:06] Central Utah Water Project just laid
[2:08:08] last month its last piece of pipe. Now,
[2:08:10] the project's not over. That's actually
[2:08:13] going to continue with with more things,
[2:08:15] but what we're talking about is this Nebo project um that we've all
[2:08:20] heard about and have these, you know,
[2:08:22] the expectations. So, wanted to give
[2:08:24] that to you and tell you that there's
[2:08:26] lots of information and I have the
[2:08:28] contact for all of these organizations
[2:08:31] because I I I work with them at least
[2:08:33] monthly. Um, and so if you have
[2:08:36] questions, if you have information that
[2:08:38] you would like to get out to get from
[2:08:41] them, feel free to reach out to me.
[2:08:43] That's kind of what I'm I'm doing there.
[2:08:45] Um, and uh, you know, this this is
[2:08:48] actually pretty impressive what what
[2:08:50] they put together and what they've
[2:08:52] started here. Central Utah Water is
[2:08:54] you'll see it on your taxes, right? as
[2:08:56] part of our property taxes. Um they
[2:08:58] built that organization so that they
[2:09:00] could tax and actually put these
[2:09:03] infrastructure projects together. So
[2:09:05] that's the whole purpose of central Utah
[2:09:07] water. Um and you know I'm on I'm on the
[2:09:11] nebo board and I'm on South Utah Valley
[2:09:14] which is supported by both of those.
[2:09:19] >> Just a question.
[2:09:20] >> Um so it's pulling out of Strawberry
[2:09:23] Reservoir. Is that correct?
[2:09:24] >> Yes.
[2:09:26] So
[2:09:27] with new water going all the way down
[2:09:30] into say defi county um right now that
[2:09:34] water's not flowing down that far or is
[2:09:36] it getting down there but just through
[2:09:37] inefficient channels of canals or I'm
[2:09:40] just wondering if you have a certain
[2:09:41] number amount of water now we're going
[2:09:43] to add the tributaries out of that
[2:09:46] reservoir what's the plan to keep is the
[2:09:50] reservoir going to
[2:09:51] >> so they they actually so what they're
[2:09:53] one of one of there's a whole bunch of
[2:09:55] goals to it. One of the goals is to
[2:09:58] monitor. So we we put into place
[2:10:00] monitoring of our aquifers and our
[2:10:02] groundwater. And this is a big
[2:10:04] groundwater source. And they want to be
[2:10:06] able to balance those poles and and
[2:10:10] that's one of the big big projects here.
[2:10:12] And there's just not enough water. We're
[2:10:14] not getting enough water through the the
[2:10:16] original tunnel. Um and the dam is much larger than it was when they
[2:10:21] originally put it in. So strawberry is
[2:10:24] Ted, do you know it's like three or four
[2:10:26] times the size it was originally.
[2:10:29] Um it's it's a lot bigger than it was.
[2:10:32] So there's more water to to to actually
[2:10:34] pull from there. And and there's
[2:10:35] projects all over. This is just the one
[2:10:37] to get that surface water more available
[2:10:40] and more ready to use. Um
[2:10:44] >> too things they do like closing the
[2:10:46] canal
[2:10:47] >> that actually produces water. you're not
[2:10:50] losing it to the ground and to the
[2:10:51] evaporation
[2:10:53] to produce water. So, some of that now
[2:10:55] water's available to distribute to other
[2:10:58] counties. So, JWAB um the project is
[2:11:01] extended. I think it goes as far as
[2:11:02] Santa right now. Okay.
[2:11:04] >> But eventually they want to get it over
[2:11:05] into JWAB and some of that will come
[2:11:08] through these savings of waters
[2:11:12] the canals and stuff like that. Um a lot
[2:11:14] of these these waters have already been
[2:11:18] blocked out for communities. Um they
[2:11:22] have for example we have it's available
[2:11:25] to us water we find a way to take it. So
[2:11:31] they they've kind of accounted for the
[2:11:32] water already and then the savings that
[2:11:34] come also attribute to
[2:11:38] some of that water was produced for
[2:11:39] these other
[2:11:41] counties actually promised water.
[2:11:43] central Utah project years ago and kind
[2:11:46] of that kind of
[2:11:49] that went away and so now it's part of
[2:11:51] this water project there see if we get
[2:11:54] more back
[2:11:55] >> yeah I just wondered if I mean let's say
[2:11:57] it gets completed all the way to end
[2:11:59] state 10 years from now I don't know how
[2:12:02] long um the water that's there from now
[2:12:05] until that it starts flowing that far
[2:12:07] south does it just stay in the reservoir
[2:12:08] or is it just being dumped into Utah
[2:12:11] Lake and then eventually down Uh, I
[2:12:13] mean, you see what I'm saying? So, if
[2:12:14] you have a if you have a bucket full of
[2:12:16] water that's allocated to future use and
[2:12:19] that's not available to flow there, it's
[2:12:21] still staying in the bucket or is it
[2:12:22] being let out and being used somewhere
[2:12:24] else? Like, is somebody going to be
[2:12:26] losing their water access because we're
[2:12:29] now going to be pushing it?
[2:12:30] >> That I'm not sure and I can ask.
[2:12:32] >> I'm just I'm just wondering just because
[2:12:34] it's a big deal right now.
[2:12:35] >> Yeah. So, in effect they're producing
[2:12:38] more water. So that water now becomes
[2:12:40] available for example like j's a whole
[2:12:42] bunch of commitments with this water too
[2:12:44] because there's commitments for Utah
[2:12:46] lake you have to keep certain in stream
[2:12:48] flows to keep things
[2:12:49] >> that's kind of where I'm thinking it's
[2:12:50] like we're it feels like we're
[2:12:52] struggling just to keep our flow rates
[2:12:53] as they should be especially in a
[2:12:55] drought year like this year but in in in
[2:12:58] when we have abundant years um do we
[2:13:01] just let it just go and it ends up in
[2:13:04] who knows where or is it saved in and
[2:13:07] reserved for future use like these There
[2:13:09] is certain reserve that's kept in place
[2:13:11] and and and it's good it is because um
[2:13:16] this year with the winter we had we had
[2:13:19] a horrible runoff here but we had enough
[2:13:21] reserves in the reservoirs to help us
[2:13:24] get through this year from the
[2:13:26] >> good winters we had. Yeah.
[2:13:27] >> So there was enough reserve there. Now
[2:13:29] if we have two bad winners in a then
[2:13:31] we're really get in trouble. So if you
[2:13:33] looked at the beginning of this year
[2:13:38] the beginning of what we had previous
[2:13:41] >> um so
[2:13:43] yeah it's it's it's not a a simple
[2:13:46] answer but
[2:13:48] >> makes sense
[2:13:48] >> they do I mean they they did talk about
[2:13:50] how they you know they built straw or
[2:13:53] starvation and that you know a after
[2:13:55] strawberry they ended up needing to
[2:13:56] build starvation and then they needed to
[2:13:58] build
[2:13:59] >> um chordell and so all of those, you
[2:14:03] know, as water needs are are are
[2:14:05] happening, they're going to they're
[2:14:07] going to end up needing to look for more
[2:14:08] sources.
[2:14:09] >> Is this tying into what was done down in
[2:14:11] Salem? I don't know if that was a
[2:14:12] federal project or is that was
[2:14:14] >> that's the same project.
[2:14:15] >> It's the same project.
[2:14:16] >> That was the central Utah water.
[2:14:18] >> Yeah.
[2:14:19] >> Okay. So, like
[2:14:21] >> this is Yeah, this is the next project
[2:14:24] after that one was completed.
[2:14:25] >> Was that a federal project? The the
[2:14:27] central I just remember seeing a bunch
[2:14:29] of federal signs
[2:14:31] Utah conservy district, but Central Utah
[2:14:33] Water Conservancy District has, we'll
[2:14:35] call it two halves. They've got their
[2:14:37] federal side, which runs the federal
[2:14:39] projects. Um, and that's run under the
[2:14:42] Bureau Reclamation with the Central Utah
[2:14:43] District. And then you've got the state
[2:14:45] side that runs like the Central Utah
[2:14:48] project is a state project. The
[2:14:51] what was that project called was done
[2:14:52] back in the 30s and 40s and 50s.
[2:14:58] » Shoot, it just slipped my mind. I know.
[2:14:59] That's a bureau reclamation project and
[2:15:02] central Utah central Utah's kind of
[2:15:04] organized to run that bureau reclamation
[2:15:05] project and then just through savings
[2:15:08] and becoming a taxing entity now they
[2:15:10] can also do state project so they kind
[2:15:12] of do both. It was a federal project
[2:15:14] that was run
[2:15:15] >> through the state. Oh, through
[2:15:18] >> the strawberry
[2:15:20] project, the the tunnel
[2:15:23] farmers went to DC and took a loan out
[2:15:27] from DC for $3 million. Farmers from
[2:15:29] here
[2:15:31] went, it wasn't the state, it was the
[2:15:34] farmers who went to go do that and they
[2:15:37] put their necks out on the line to build
[2:15:39] that tunnel. The video that that
[2:15:41] Strawberry has is really is really good.
[2:15:47] » Wow.
[2:15:47] >> I just want to I just want a stretch of
[2:15:49] open water with fish in it so I don't
[2:15:51] have to go all the way to strawberry to
[2:15:52] fish. Give me a fly fishing space right
[2:15:55] here through the bottoms.
[2:15:58] >> I'm all in.
[2:15:59] >> Okay, perfect.
[2:16:00] >> Fishing the canals.
[2:16:02] >> I want a reservoir in Woodland Hills.
[2:16:04] >> Okay, now we're good.
[2:16:07] >> Okay, Council Jones.
[2:16:08] >> No, that was my only comment. It's
[2:16:11] fishing.
[2:16:12] >> It's fishing. Yeah.
[2:16:15] >> You don't have a report. You have a
[2:16:16] report.
[2:16:19] >> I spent a lot of time with the UVHBA and
[2:16:22] the Utah Home Builders Association. So,
[2:16:25] yeah, but nothing meaningful for the
[2:16:27] group unless anybody's got questions.
[2:16:30] >> Great.
[2:16:31] >> Council,
[2:16:34] I got nothing. Um, just we had the
[2:16:36] American 250.
[2:16:38] >> That's awesome.
[2:16:40] Um it was great. We had a good committee
[2:16:43] and um my only you know it was hard. We
[2:16:47] had some opposition and so we we had we
[2:16:52] were a little bit Debbie Downer about
[2:16:54] it. Just didn't know. I think a lot of
[2:16:57] people are afraid to
[2:16:59] you know rock the boat and so we were
[2:17:02] worried that a lot of people wouldn't
[2:17:03] come. But I was really proud of our
[2:17:05] community. We have a lot of rebels and I
[2:17:06] like it. Um anyway, so it was
[2:17:10] >> for the record, I don't think that
[2:17:11] rebels.
[2:17:11] >> Yeah. Is it Is it rebellious to go to
[2:17:14] the park on a Sunday?
[2:17:16] >> No, it shouldn't be. But um
[2:17:18] >> or to eat with your neighbor.
[2:17:19] >> We only shopped for 300. And I know we
[2:17:23] had a lot more than that. So I'm not
[2:17:25] sure.
[2:17:28] >> So I'm not sure how that worked, but I
[2:17:30] know that there were people that said,
[2:17:31] "I've got
[2:17:33] >> I cooked every one of those I cooked
[2:17:35] every one of those hot dogs." And I'm
[2:17:37] telling you,
[2:17:37] >> you did
[2:17:38] >> when did
[2:17:39] >> when they d when one dropped down on the
[2:17:41] ground, it was like we man down like we
[2:17:44] went resurrect. Somebody may have had
[2:17:49] a recated hot dog. I'm just kidding. And
[2:17:51] I'm just kidding.
[2:17:52] >> That was Dorl. That's fine.
[2:17:53] >> Yeah. Hey Dorl, this is yours.
[2:17:55] >> His constitution is ironclad.
[2:17:58] >> But we had four long tables set up for
[2:18:00] food donations and we had to add three
[2:18:03] tables.
[2:18:03] >> Wasn't enough. And um
[2:18:05] >> that was that was that was probably the
[2:18:07] most impressive thing to me was we had a
[2:18:09] really long line. So what was nuts is uh
[2:18:12] as I was cooking them, you know, like oh
[2:18:14] the line's really long and I'm just
[2:18:16] looking to my left. I'm like there's
[2:18:17] like 20 people. What are we talking
[2:18:19] about? I didn't turn my whole body and
[2:18:21] see the line that
[2:18:23] street.
[2:18:24] >> Um but yeah, the number of people that
[2:18:26] brought stuff I was actually kind of
[2:18:28] concerned about that. Not I'm just
[2:18:29] saying like three things. when you do a potluck event, you're just
[2:18:33] really hoping everybody chips in.
[2:18:35] Otherwise, I mean, no pun intended. Um,
[2:18:37] but otherwise, it's going to be a pretty
[2:18:40] sad looking hot dog fest there, you
[2:18:42] know, and so it was just great to see
[2:18:44] the community. That was awesome. That
[2:18:47] was really That was really great. And
[2:18:49] everyone, I think, had a great time.
[2:18:51] >> By the time I got through the line,
[2:18:55] I had a hot dog and all the food I ever
[2:18:59] could have wanted. There was so much
[2:19:01] food and it was all really good food. It
[2:19:05] was fun and the weather turned out
[2:19:06] perfectly. It was
[2:19:07] >> and we had we had quite a few people who
[2:19:10] were brand new residents or who just
[2:19:12] bought a lot and are going to build come
[2:19:14] through and one of them said, "Well, we
[2:19:17] just wanted to come to see what kind of
[2:19:18] a community we were we were moving into
[2:19:21] to see if we would fit." And we
[2:19:23] absolutely fit. This was perfect for us
[2:19:26] to come for our first thing. We had some
[2:19:29] people who hadn't been to a community
[2:19:31] event since before COVID and felt safe
[2:19:34] to come and be there. We had um others
[2:19:38] who may have not come in the past
[2:19:41] because they're a little older and they
[2:19:44] worry about coming when
[2:19:45] >> older people
[2:19:46] >> when there's a lot of um little kids
[2:19:48] running around or activities like a
[2:19:49] festival where there's people just going where they could just sit down,
[2:19:53] enjoy their neighbors and be there and
[2:19:55] feel safe and comfortable. So that was
[2:19:58] great to have so many of them there. And
[2:20:01] then um also there was quite a few that
[2:20:04] were visiting their you know kids that
[2:20:07] were are adults now visiting their
[2:20:09] parents and coming back home. And so I
[2:20:12] thought it was a great community event
[2:20:14] and almost everyone said we should do
[2:20:17] this more often. And um I think people
[2:20:21] have missed community and um something
[2:20:24] that I know mayor you've been um that
[2:20:26] was one of the things that you want to
[2:20:28] increase and um where people feel
[2:20:31] welcome. They feel like they can not
[2:20:34] just know who lives on their street but
[2:20:36] who lives in our city. And um so I
[2:20:39] thought it was great. Thanks.
[2:20:42] The only thing the only shortfall was,
[2:20:44] you know, the food, but it worked out.
[2:20:47] And then, um, just the hot dog. I was
[2:20:49] worried. But then also, um,
[2:20:52] Whitney and I were we were the cleanup
[2:20:54] crew, so I would I would, you know, make
[2:20:57] sure I have more more helpers next time.
[2:21:00] Whitney helped me. These two were out on
[2:21:02] the curb yakin for like put a bunch of
[2:21:06] chairs and tables away. I just had that
[2:21:08] condiment tray that I was like, I don't
[2:21:09] know if a bear is going to come. We had
[2:21:11] the bear out.
[2:21:12] >> It didn't do its job. Should have just
[2:21:14] left the food out.
[2:21:16] >> Just kidding. I apologize.
[2:21:17] >> I was useless. So, I'll go to that.
[2:21:20] >> It only mattered because I was I was
[2:21:22] still so sick. That was a thing. I
[2:21:24] didn't feel well. But um but yeah, any
[2:21:27] other time I wouldn't care.
[2:21:35] just expressing their appreciation for
[2:21:37] the event, hoping that you do it again.
[2:21:40] Some said, "I hear we're already doing
[2:21:42] it again." So,
[2:21:44] >> rumor,
[2:21:47] >> we're doing it again.
[2:21:48] >> We are doing it again.
[2:21:50] >> Okay.
[2:21:51] >> Put it on the the cycle of every year.
[2:21:54] This is now an annual thing
[2:21:55] >> except for Okay.
[2:21:57] >> Well, maybe we do it this the Saturday
[2:22:00] evening or something.
[2:22:02] >> Every year my we go to the cabin for
[2:22:04] Fourth of July. So that's why I say
[2:22:06] that.
[2:22:07] >> No, we we'll work the schedule. We'll
[2:22:09] figure it out.
[2:22:10] >> Okay.
[2:22:11] >> Uh we'll probably this next year if if
[2:22:13] Dorl's correct and the fourth is on
[2:22:15] Sunday, we'll probably push it to the
[2:22:19] Saturday or maybe the Sunday after. We
[2:22:22] don't have to necessarily put it right
[2:22:23] on top of the fourth, but we can.
[2:22:25] >> Yeah.
[2:22:26] >> Nobody I've never had anybody complain
[2:22:28] to me that we celebrate too much. When
[2:22:30] we get to that point, let's talk again.
[2:22:34] Okay. Other than council member John's
[2:22:38] Galler Makovich, the Utah Valley Animal
[2:22:41] Shelter,
[2:22:41] >> no report. We don't meet until August.
[2:22:44] >> Perfect. Okay. Council member Odin. Um
[2:22:49] just from a Speaking of events, um I've
[2:22:53] got the first iteration of our basically
[2:22:57] Microsoftware that's going to help us
[2:22:59] manage
[2:23:00] >> all of our events. So it's just the
[2:23:03] purpose of it is to uh from a data
[2:23:06] ingest perspective to make sure that we
[2:23:07] have vendors of the past that we've used
[2:23:09] before bids documentation
[2:23:12] um u uh
[2:23:15] >> are you capturing attendance
[2:23:16] >> counts attendance everything here um um
[2:23:20] we have all the events basically here
[2:23:25] and you're essentially the way I
[2:23:26] designed it is you're going to
[2:23:27] essentially have a yearly um the yearly
[2:23:31] season season component. So each time
[2:23:33] you add the new season, you can draw
[2:23:34] from previous, you know, so if you have
[2:23:36] vendors copy and paste, say tables and
[2:23:38] chairs for Woodland Hills Days, if we
[2:23:40] find a vendor who's good and affordable,
[2:23:42] we can easily pull them in, see what we
[2:23:46] paid the last time, get a bid. So, and
[2:23:48] it will it's all automated. So um and
[2:23:51] then everyone who is a chair or co-chair
[2:23:54] will be invited and will have limited
[2:23:56] access obviously to certain things that
[2:23:57] they're so already it already has
[2:24:00] governance built in and then as soon as
[2:24:02] they released their
[2:24:05] access will be removed but we still have
[2:24:08] administrative use. So that is ready to
[2:24:10] go. We're going to try it out at our
[2:24:12] next Woodland Hills Days meeting. See
[2:24:15] where there's gaps. I'll build out the
[2:24:17] I'll fill those gaps.
[2:24:19] That's great.
[2:24:20] >> It'll eventually be deployed, my plan is
[2:24:22] to eventually deploy it on the Woodland
[2:24:24] Hills uh domain. So, it'll exist on the
[2:24:27] domain. It will be owned through the city. Um and then all the
[2:24:31] code and the data set can be matched by
[2:24:32] the city instead.
[2:24:35] >> Thank you.
[2:24:36] >> Awesome.
[2:24:36] >> Okay. Anything for upcoming council
[2:24:38] meetings?
[2:24:39] I' I'd like to add that maybe we do a
[2:24:42] presentation about that the papers
[2:24:45] fundraiser opportunity pickle wall stuff
[2:24:51] >> just so we could start organizing it. I
[2:24:52] think we probably need to at least right
[2:24:54] on some level. I mean it sounds like
[2:24:56] you've done a lot.
[2:24:57] >> It'd be nice to organize it. I'd also
[2:24:59] like to see if we could get um this
[2:25:02] probably be as we get a little bit
[2:25:02] closer, but like it's always helpful if
[2:25:04] you have a goal instead of just an
[2:25:06] open-ended like if we can have a goal
[2:25:08] set of what the gap is between the
[2:25:10] funding and what we want to do and
[2:25:12] because it does help when people know
[2:25:13] where there's a target. I know we did uh
[2:25:16] several well when I did Hill days chair
[2:25:18] we did an infrared camera fund raise if
[2:25:21] I remember
[2:25:23] >> um and we knew what it was. We got a lot
[2:25:25] of $20 donations. That was awesome. And
[2:25:28] then we had a former mayor who saw a gap
[2:25:32] of $482 and that was her donation.
[2:25:35] >> She asked, "What are we short?"
[2:25:37] >> Yeah. She's like, "What are we short?"
[2:25:38] And she made
[2:25:39] >> We told her and she Yeah.
[2:25:40] >> And so it was awesome to see. So, but if we didn't know what we were raising
[2:25:44] toward, I don't know if anybody would
[2:25:46] >> Yeah, that's a great idea.
[2:25:48] >> So, let's let's figure out what we're
[2:25:49] actually raising toward so people feel
[2:25:51] like we're going toward a specific goal.
[2:25:53] And it's a good way to get people to
[2:25:54] kind of
[2:25:54] >> Can you get us a number? Ted,
[2:25:56] >> what was that? Yeah.
[2:25:57] >> Well, I think we need to understand what
[2:25:58] we want to do.
[2:25:59] >> But just Yeah, just like what we
[2:26:01] >> Yeah,
[2:26:04] >> we'll work on that. We'll work on
[2:26:07] >> Good. Yes.
[2:26:23] » Perfect. Yep. That'll be next council as
[2:26:24] well. Wonderful. Thank you, Jody. Okay.
[2:26:28] Uh let's take a quick break. Um, it is
[2:26:34] currently 8:27
[2:26:36] on my uh computer here. Let's start a
[2:26:40] council meeting at 8:33.
[2:26:47] » Okay, welcome back.
[2:26:49] >> Oh, welcome back. We're going to start
[2:26:51] city council meeting. Um, we are going
[2:26:54] to start with an invocation from council
[2:26:56] member Lunt and then a pledge of
[2:26:57] allegiance from council member Jones.
[2:27:00] Our
[2:27:04] dear kind and gracious heavenly father,
[2:27:05] we're so grateful that we could gather
[2:27:07] together this evening as council and
[2:27:11] staff members to go over our agenda
[2:27:14] items and to discuss the needs of our
[2:27:17] community and help us to always be
[2:27:20] mindful of all of our citizens and their
[2:27:23] what their needs are and what is best
[2:27:25] for the whole and help us to
[2:27:28] continue to make improvements to
[2:27:30] efficiency and to be mindful of our
[2:27:33] budget. Father, we ask for thy continued
[2:27:37] blessings and
[2:27:40] uh watching over our community and
[2:27:42] keeping us safe from fire. Help us to be
[2:27:46] conscientious of our neighbors and to
[2:27:48] look out for them. And we're so grateful
[2:27:49] for this opportunity that we have to
[2:27:51] serve. And we say these things in the
[2:27:52] name of Jesus Christ. Amen. Amen.
[2:27:56] Join
[2:28:01] to the flag of the United States
[2:28:06] and to the republic for which it stands.
[2:28:09] One nation under God, indivisible with
[2:28:13] liberty and justice for all.
[2:28:19] » So used to looking at the screen up.
[2:28:22] We're used to looking at your belly.
[2:28:24] Would
[2:28:26] you stand up?
[2:28:28] >> Thank you, uh, Council Member John's for
[2:28:31] that.
[2:28:32] Thank you, Council Member L.
[2:28:35] >> We are going to open the public comment.
[2:28:38] Uh, public comments are limited to two
[2:28:40] minutes per individual, unless otherwise
[2:28:42] directed by the mayor. Comments
[2:28:44] submitted by email must be received by 3
[2:28:47] p.m. on the day of the meeting to be
[2:28:49] included in the official record.
[2:28:51] Emmailed comments will not be read aloud
[2:28:53] during the meeting um but will be
[2:28:56] distributed to the city council and
[2:28:57] included in the meeting record. Um so if
[2:29:00] there's anybody from the public,
[2:29:04] do you have anything here? No.
[2:29:07] >> Okay. Um
[2:29:09] yes, Sherry Burgerer,
[2:29:15] you're still muted, Sherry.
[2:29:22] Hi.
[2:29:24] >> Hey.
[2:29:24] >> There you go.
[2:29:25] >> There we go. Okay. Um, public comment. I
[2:29:28] just want to
[2:29:31] express my appreciation for the fire
[2:29:34] department, the flags, and the
[2:29:37] friendship that we had over the Fourth
[2:29:40] of July weekend. Uh, it was fabulous.
[2:29:43] Um, in terms of fundraising for the
[2:29:47] park, I think it would be good if PTR
[2:29:51] can be involved from the standpoint of
[2:29:55] uh possibly informing at Woodland Hills
[2:29:59] Days what the plans are going forward,
[2:30:02] what we'd like to tackle next year so
[2:30:05] that the community can become aware of
[2:30:09] the things that we're thinking about
[2:30:11] doing with regards to the park. Um
[2:30:16] I
[2:30:18] Let's think a little big. Um I'm happy
[2:30:21] to help supply information.
[2:30:24] There's a lot of us in the city that are
[2:30:26] 70 and a half years older that have to
[2:30:29] take a required minimum distribution
[2:30:32] from our IRAs and our inherited IAS and
[2:30:37] those can be donated to the city
[2:30:41] um directly from your broker and not
[2:30:45] coming from you and therefore you don't
[2:30:47] pay tax on that money. Uh those could be
[2:30:50] substantial sums. we could plant trees.
[2:30:54] We could, you know, get into some of the
[2:30:56] projects
[2:30:58] uh that um we're kind of looking at down
[2:31:01] the road. So, if we can see Ted's
[2:31:04] spreadsheet on what exactly where the
[2:31:07] funds are going to be going this year,
[2:31:10] and again, I think it was um who was it
[2:31:13] Dan that said, you know, let's come up
[2:31:15] with a figure that we're trying to
[2:31:18] raise. Um, I think we can do really
[2:31:21] well. Um, I really do.
[2:31:27] » Beautiful. Thank you, Sher.
[2:31:29] >> And Sherry, thanks for all your hard
[2:31:30] work. You You worked really hard um at
[2:31:33] the event, so thank you.
[2:31:34] >> Oh, you're welcome. My pleasure.
[2:31:40] » Okay. Uh Diana, do you have anything?
[2:31:46] » Nothing today. Thank you.
[2:31:48] for joining us. Okay, then we
[2:31:51] will close the public comment and we'll
[2:31:54] move on to the consent agenda. And this
[2:31:56] is great because I don't have anybody
[2:31:57] online from the council. So, we can
[2:31:59] actually uh I don't think we have
[2:32:04] >> Oh, it is raining.
[2:32:06] >> Well, Carrie's usually gone into
[2:32:08] raining.
[2:32:09] >> Well, then we always have meeting right
[2:32:10] before I go. So,
[2:32:12] >> okay. Awesome.
[2:32:13] >> Um, wonderful. Okay, then we will start
[2:32:16] with approving the minutes uh for the
[2:32:18] June 23rd, 2026 city council meeting.
[2:32:22] >> I'll make a motion.
[2:32:23] >> Council member John's with the motion.
[2:32:25] Do I have a second?
[2:32:26] >> Second.
[2:32:27] >> Council member Malovich with the second.
[2:32:29] All in favor?
[2:32:31] >> Any oppose?
[2:32:33] Okay, that passes.
[2:32:36] Um, resolution 2026-44
[2:32:39] approving the ratifying end a year-end
[2:32:42] budgetary and accounting adjustments.
[2:32:44] >> I'll make a motion.
[2:32:45] >> Council member Malovich with the motion.
[2:32:47] >> I'll second.
[2:32:48] >> Second from Council Member Rhoden. Um,
[2:32:51] all in favor?
[2:32:53] >> Any opposed?
[2:32:55] Okay, that resolution passes. Approval
[2:32:58] of the auditing services for 2026
[2:33:02] and that is Larson and Co. Right. I'll
[2:33:05] make a motion.
[2:33:06] >> Council member Lunt with the motion.
[2:33:08] >> Can I ask a question?
[2:33:10] >> Uh if yes.
[2:33:12] >> After a second. If I get a second.
[2:33:13] >> I'll second.
[2:33:14] >> Council member Mount with the second.
[2:33:16] Now let's enter into discussion.
[2:33:18] >> Okay. Um is that for the 4500 that was
[2:33:21] originally proposed. Okay. Just wanted
[2:33:24] to get that
[2:33:24] >> perfect question. Thank you.
[2:33:26] >> Uh all in favor?
[2:33:33] » Yes.
[2:33:36] I don't have that paper with me.
[2:33:38] >> Um, I've got a copy here
[2:33:42] if it helps.
[2:33:45] There should be six years of pricing
[2:33:47] there.
[2:33:53] » So that's if that's for a single audit.
[2:33:55] So we'll be at 15,000. And if we have to
[2:33:58] do a single audit as well, if
[2:33:59] applicable,
[2:34:00] >> okay,
[2:34:01] >> then that jumps into the 45. So that
[2:34:04] would be in addition if needed. So it'
[2:34:05] be the 15,000 and then next year
[2:34:08] depending on how the RFP goes 1562
[2:34:12] 168.
[2:34:13] >> Okay. Perfectation. Thank you.
[2:34:17] >> Okay. Did I ask for a motion on that?
[2:34:20] >> Yes.
[2:34:20] >> Yeah.
[2:34:22] >> Wonderful.
[2:34:27] » All in favor?
[2:34:28] That's what I was.
[2:34:30] >> All in favor? Okay.
[2:34:32] >> Any opposed?
[2:34:34] >> Okay, that is approved.
[2:34:37] >> Authorizing the mayor to sign the
[2:34:38] sponsorship agreement between Woodland
[2:34:41] Hills and Utah County for the America
[2:34:43] 250.
[2:34:44] >> I'll make a motion.
[2:34:45] >> Council member Lent with the motion.
[2:34:46] >> I'll second.
[2:34:47] >> Council member Rhoden with a second. Any
[2:34:50] comments? Anybody wanting to throw me
[2:34:52] off again?
[2:34:54] >> All in favor?
[2:34:55] >> I.
[2:34:56] >> Any opposed?
[2:34:58] >> Okay, I'll do that. Um, approval of
[2:35:01] large purchase requests.
[2:35:04] Now, we can approve this and move
[2:35:07] forward. We can approve this and pending
[2:35:10] other bids. That way, we don't have to
[2:35:13] wait till the August 11th or we can
[2:35:16] approve this with a
[2:35:18] what are
[2:35:20] >> we can table it till the August 11th.
[2:35:25] maximum
[2:35:26] >> you're willing to spend.
[2:35:29] >> We can approve it with the amount
[2:35:30] budgeted.
[2:35:31] >> Yeah.
[2:35:32] That was was going to be my plan
[2:35:34] is to I I move to approve it with the
[2:35:38] amount budgeted.
[2:35:39] >> Okay.
[2:35:40] >> With the intent of getting additional
[2:35:42] bids
[2:35:44] and having them reviewed
[2:35:46] before
[2:35:48] >> a commitment.
[2:35:48] Okay. And I will reach out
[2:35:50] to each of you for that commitment.
[2:35:52] >> Yeah. And if it goes up,
[2:35:53] >> we have additional
[2:35:54] >> if it goes up because somebody else
[2:35:55] found something the first company
[2:35:57] didn't, we need to have more discussion.
[2:35:59] >> Wonderful. And I'd say let's put that on
[2:36:01] the August 11th, no matter what the
[2:36:03] decision is, so that it's made to the
[2:36:05] public as well.
[2:36:08] >> Okay. I have a motion from Council
[2:36:10] Member Hutchkins and a second from
[2:36:12] Council Member John's. All in favor?
[2:36:14] >> I.
[2:36:16] >> Any opposed?
[2:36:18] Good. I have two uh legal matters that I
[2:36:22] would like to discuss. One is an update
[2:36:24] and one is a strategic discussion.
[2:36:28] >> Um I have a motion. So I have a motion
[2:36:31] from council member Malovich.
[2:36:32] >> I'll second it.
[2:36:33] >> Council member uh Hutchings with a
[2:36:37] second.
[2:36:38] >> Anchings
[2:36:41] with an S.
[2:36:43] >> I've always had an S on the end of my
[2:36:45] name.
[2:36:45] >> Did I say Hutching?
[2:36:47] >> No, you didn't. It's a joke.
[2:36:50] >> Hutchkins. Um,
[2:36:53] Council Member Malovich.
[2:36:54] >> Yes.
[2:36:54] >> Council member Johns.
[2:36:56] >> Council member Hutchkins.
[2:36:56] >> Yes.
[2:36:58] >> Council member Roden.
[2:36:59] >> Yes.
[2:37:00] >> Council member Lent.
[2:37:01] >> Yes.
[2:37:02] >> Okay. Thank you so much. Uh, Diana.
[2:37:05] Looks like Sherry's already gone. We
[2:37:07] appreciate your attendance. We are going
[2:37:09] to move towards going into a close
[2:37:11] session.
[2:37:12] >> Yeah.
[2:37:21] The mayor knows how to do it. She might
[2:37:22] have gone home at this late.
[2:37:40] » I will uh accept a motion to adjourn.
[2:37:43] >> Motion.
[2:37:44] >> Second. Thank you.
[2:37:45] >> We are adjourned. Thank you everybody.
[2:37:48] >> Thank you.
[2:37:48] >> So no council rest of the month,
[2:37:50] correct?
[2:37:51] >> Rest of the month. You got it off, baby.
[2:37:55] >> Hey 24th,
[2:37:56] >> July and December. We do that. Is it the
[2:37:59] holidays?