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>> Our potential new campus

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>> Pending.

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>> Perfect. Well, I don't know if we'll

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give you many answers today, but we're

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glad to have you.

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>> I'm here. answers if needed. And what is

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your name?

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>> Megan. Megan.

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>> Perfect. Well, we'll be glad to have

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you. Okay. Well, we would love to uh

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start this meeting. We're going to start

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the work session today. Um and we are

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going to start with the discussion of

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proposed repairs to the exterior of the

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city center. Um, just kind of recap. Uh,

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last council meeting we you I was

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authorized to spend what was in the

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budget for this particular project, but

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we did want to grab a few others uh bids

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on that. So, I appreciate um John your

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help with that. Um, and so I kind of

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want to go over those for your guys'

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information. Did I say it's it's Steve

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John's. He has two first names. It's his

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fault.

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>> You can call me whatever you want.

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>> Steve.

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>> Every time that happens, Steve and I

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look at each other like, "Uh-huh."

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>> I appreciate just patience is helpful.

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>> Everybody involved.

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>> Oh, I was thinking John. Huh.

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>> Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So, the original bid

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that that we received um was from an

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organization called Home Innovations. Um

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and that bid comes to a total of

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$32,47.38.

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Um the scope of this work um basically

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is the side of the building completely

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behind me uh completely ripping it off

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because we have leaking windows. Um and

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this is the primary issue that

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propagated the the need for this type of

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work. As we went around the building,

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there's a few other broken panels.

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I've walked the property with all three

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of these companies now and all three of

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them have one thing in common and that

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is they all say that how the sighting

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was put on this building.

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incorrect is the wrong word because it's

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not necessarily incorrect, but it was

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kind of a budget option that we're now

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suffering from. So, for instance,

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>> correct. We had already farmed it out to

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a general at that point

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>> to finish it out. Um, and so typically

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when you do a hardy sighting, um, you

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trim out all the windows first,

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the the Hardy slat first and then they

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38 inch trim and kind of tried to shoot

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it on around and through the siding.

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they didn't caulk in those gaps and so

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so you'll see that the reason I give you

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that context is you're going to see that

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in the differences of these bids. I

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tried to get as close to apples to

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apples but that was impossible. Um, so

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the home innovations bid is for this

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side being completely ripped off, thrown

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away, completely repaired, covered in

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OSB because the foundation wall, if you

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can see right behind me,

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this is concrete all the way to the

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ceiling. So, it's designed for the

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highest R value you can get. It's

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actually the same way Steve's house was

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built, I believe. Right, Steve? Um,

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however, that means the other side of

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this wall is also concrete. So, they've

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these small slats to then be able to

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nail the siding on too. So this bid

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includes actually putting 7/16 OSB and

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sheeting the whole thing. Furring out

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the indent because this actual the gable

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on this indents in so it creates a ledge

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which is storing water creating helping

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facilitate the leak. So that's

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completely shearing this straight up. No

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more ledge. All of that will be then

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fixed. Uh, this also rips the dormers

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off and repairs the dormers because they

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also have a lot of water damage getting

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new flashing underneath those. Um,

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because the code actually helps require

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that you have a 3 in gap above the roof

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line of flashing and then it jumps

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underneath the the the siding to help

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with the waterproofing. And this does

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not have that gap. Well, they change

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insurance to deny a roof repair because

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a kind of more bandage on top of the

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bandage of the broken pieces of trim

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through windows and things like that.

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bit. I have a question on all before we

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get to all of them then. Um they have

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similar time frame on completion.

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>> Uh that I actually don't know. I have

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not spoken to them because that's of

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less importance to me than than your

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guys's decision for cost. They all can

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get it done this before the snowflies.

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what I was wondering.

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impressed with Cascade. It helps that

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the owner's name is Ben, but very kind.

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because Cascad's bid is for 76,000. So,

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they're down their half payment is

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bid. They're saying you really just need

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to do this project right. And this is

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all exterior ripped off the building.

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All both ends of the building having the

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same fix because that dormer also sucks

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in just like this one does. Um, and

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they're going to put in on the very

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bottom uh that rigid foam in between

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each of those slats. Now, they're not

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going to sheet it with OSB, but they're

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going to put rigid foam behind those

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slats so that it uh has more imp

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protection because that's one of the

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problems. If you've gone down this side

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of this bay, a lot of those uh tiles

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have been just broken out, the Hardy

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board. Uh it's because there's no

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backing on it. And so, it doesn't take

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any impact at all. It just shatters. So,

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that's what this one does. Hence, it is

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quite a bit more. As you probably looked

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this was a pretty bid package. They took

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extensive pictures uh understanding,

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articulating every single side of the

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wall, labeling them. Very impressed.

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um also really enjoyed these guys. Uh

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their bid actually is far more

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comparable to uh the Home Innovations

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bid than it is to Cascade. Um and this

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one is for $55,000.

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whole front of the building.

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sign that used to be on the front. So,

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we now have that big huge mark on the

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front. And because there's a number of

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panels they want to replace around those

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front windows, they said there's no way

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them when they were here I told them

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what this bid was the scope of it and

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they said we'll we'll give you what we

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feel is actually makes sense to do and

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everything else that we talked about

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replacing the dormers and replacing this

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contractors, sorry Steve, it's already

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been a lot of contractors and you guys

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are building mostly right now. You guys

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change orders.

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get the job, and then, oh, we need to we

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need to paint the whole building because

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of this, and all of a sudden, your your paint price has tripled um from

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what you would have gotten from a bid.

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So, I wanted to see what other people

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were saying needed to be done so that we

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could actually come back and if

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necessary, which I was afraid it was

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going to be, um, say, okay,

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if if we think the we need to do the

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whole if we need to do both ends and

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then paint everything and whatever we've

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got to do, right? Um,

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and I don't disagree, the whole thing

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needs to be done, but I don't know that

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we can afford to do it right now.

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is this end, say Cascade, what are you

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going to do for us?" You know, um, and

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if we pick a Sherwin Williams paint or

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a, you know, I don't know what they

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painted this with, but if we if we make

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note of that, we can match that paint in

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the future. Um, so we could do and and

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it's not bad when you do a full side

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because as you come to a corner whether

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there's trim or not, you can't tell that

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there's a slight difference in those um

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>> it's not a totally different color.

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>> Well, and even that you could actually

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do a whole different color and and it

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it's kind of looking when you do that.

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But this was my fear that people were

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not my fear my my expect

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my expectation was that other people

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were going to see different things and between a few bids we're going to

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say okay now we need to do what this guy

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said here and what this guy said here everybody

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redo your bids to this scope of work now

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we've got a detailed scope of work we

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can say I want to see your bid for this

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particular scope of work this is what we

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think we can afford this

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and have them redo the bids. And I hate

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saying that, but redo the bids. They

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come together. You don't need to talk to

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us after that unless it's over what

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we've what we've budgeted for. Um, and

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then you can make you and Ted and Jody

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and Wayne can make the decision. Okay,

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this is the one we're going to go for.

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We feel best about this. Might not be

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the cheapest one,

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but it's the one we feel the most

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comfortable with. But now you've got a

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detailed scope of work with the three

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different bids to pull from to say here

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is now our our called a and I call it a

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s scope of work. Um rebid you know re

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readjust your bid for these particular

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things. I like the fact of of backing

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the the Hardy one way or the other,

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whether it's OSB or whether it's hard um

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foam, high density foam. Um because

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that's what I mean, I'm looking at the

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pictures and you can see the busted in

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Hardy board, right? Um so,

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you know, once once we you can do this,

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I don't know that you need to come back

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to us if it's within budget.

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My my thoughts on it.

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>> Is there a possibility? Because I mean

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cost Obviously the concern of a phase

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one phase two on two different budget

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years.

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>> I think that would be the right choice.

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>> Yeah.

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>> We we will need to get this building so

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it can sustain.

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>> I would like to see the door downstairs

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if it hasn't been repaired to be

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repaired into the office.

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>> I like it broken fused shut.

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>> Okay.

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>> I don't have an egress standpoint.

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It's a danger. So, just from an OSHA

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thing, I'd like to see that fixed.

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>> I can give you that. We've got actually

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two doors down there that need to be

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fixed.

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>> Yeah.

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>> I think it would be helpful if we did

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have the same scope of work for all

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three because you can say, "Oh, yeah,

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that makes sense that we do this or it

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makes sense that we do both sides or or

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whatever." But it being fair to all

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three of them then because the scope of

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work that was told to the first is not

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what comes out at the others. So maybe

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um clarifying that a little bit.

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>> Yeah.

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>> Well, and Steve, I assume you've done

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work with Cascade and you've done work

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with uh

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with Yeah. And do they do change orders

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on you?

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>> Um no,

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>> unless you

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>> unless it's I'm changing the scope

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considerably.

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>> And so I've done a lot with innovations.

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Hence, I reached out to them first and

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I've never gotten a change order from

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them.

353
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>> They never recommend more than what they

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>> because they'll do the scope of work on

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their page.

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>> Well, yeah.

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>> And they don't come back and try and

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upcharge.

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>> So, I have a question. If if you're

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going to try and do the whole building

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eventually, then you wouldn't want to

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spend the money to paint the one side.

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>> So, correct. So, I think that has to be

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part of the decision, too, because if

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you're going to take the bid where they

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want to paint, that would just be a

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waste of money. So, I think we should

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save the money and not do that if we're

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going to do the whole building

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eventually,

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>> at least for sure, the two ends, right?

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And and then paint maybe the front just

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piece.

374
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>> Right now, I would say our highest

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priority is this wall and the dormers

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because they are

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extremely compromised. So, I don't know

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if you've ever gone and looked at them.

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The paint's all coming off and they're

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you can kind of go up there and hit them

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and they start falling apart.

382
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>> So, they're completely blown out. So,

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okay, that is helpful guidance. Um,

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Ted, have you looked through these? Are

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you of the same opinion at all? Have you

386
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thought about this this repair?

387
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>> Okay. Um, does what does everybody else

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think if we go back and have him scope

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if they if they put a scope together? Do

390
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they need to does he need to come back

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with us? We've already given him the

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authorization. I think he's we let him

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go forward. I don't want to waste time

394
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>> because we're wasting time going back

395
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and get another bit. That's my opinion,

396
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but if you guys want to pull the reins,

397
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you can. This is my fault. I think we we

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give we give the the reigns to the

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>> to the city staff and and you guys go

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with it. Yeah,

401
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>> I've got now their contact information

402
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as well. So, I'll shoot them these other

403
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two bids, a scope of work because I feel

404
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this other one's dialed in nicely.

405
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>> Innovations one is dialed in.

406
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>> He's got the dormers on it and he's OSB,

407
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>> correct? Yep.

408
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>> Okay. Um I think either way works. Um

409
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OSB's what? What?

410
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>> 58 OSB

411
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>> 716.

412
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>> Well, I also think

413
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>> that still should be good enough. Yeah,

414
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it still should be good enough.

415
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>> Then if we're going to do it in two

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years, our scope of work should be the

417
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whole project and then divide it in so

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that we have a budget for the first, the

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budget for the second.

420
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>> Do that because all the prices change.

421
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>> Oh yeah, that's true. That's true. But

422
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at least to let them to see if they

423
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would consider because it would be

424
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really I think hard if we had one person

425
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start it and then they don't want to do

426
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the second half next year.

427
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>> We've got a spec. The nice thing is is

428
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all three of these companies have been

429
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around a long time.

430
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>> Okay.

431
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>> So, they're not Joe and his his paint

432
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bucket on the side of the street that we

433
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picked up at Home Depot or something.

434
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So,

435
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>> yeah, I think the exercise was was more

436
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than anything to make sure that we were

437
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getting a couple different bids even

438
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though it's not a formal bid thing. We

439
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need to do the work, but making sure

440
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that scopes were consistent.

441
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>> Yeah, that's that's what I'm thinking.

442
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Yeah, I think

443
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>> consistent scope.

444
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>> I like your approach to it. So,

445
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>> I just want to offer one, you know,

446
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apology. One of the contractors was

447
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coming out and looking and they tapped

448
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on one of our corners that was pulling

449
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apart and Wasp came out and stung him in

450
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the head.

451
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>> I feel a little bad about that. So,

452
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>> I just I I there are things that could

453
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very well be when they start tearing

454
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when they start doing demo um that that

455
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they're going to find um and Especially

456
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on the dormers that's and that's where

457
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our change orders that's that's when you

458
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get the change orders when they find

459
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something that they didn't see on the

460
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original scope. That's why I like lots

461
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of eyes.

462
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>> Perfect. Okay. Any other questions

463
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there? Wonderful. Okay. Let's move to

464
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number two. Discussion regarding the

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sale of approximately 0.25 acres of

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city-owned real property uh located near

467
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Bear Hollow between the Utah County

468
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parcel. Uh and then there's two big long

469
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numbers. If you're interested, you can

470
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read them. Including declaring the

471
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property surplus and authorizing the

472
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sale process. Uh Ted, do you want to

473
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tackle this?

474
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>> Yeah, I do.

475
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>> Okay.

476
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I'll get some assistance from

477
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every all three of you have been

478
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involved in this. So

479
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>> So where this started out Peter quick

480
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recap where this started out is we had a

481
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uh well so this was originally part of a

482
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plat where South Loafer came through the

483
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development and then continued and

484
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connected to Bear Hall. Okay.

485
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>> The developer revised and and that was

486
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recorded plaque. So that was a road ride

487
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rightway. The developer re revised the

488
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plat so that it souther now is a

489
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culde-sac. So this left the remaining

490
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road piece between the end of the

491
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culde-sac and bear hollow. This platted

492
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as city rightway. So it becomes our

493
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property is our property. It's part of

494
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the plat. It's property that uh does not

495
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meet any requirements to be a lot. It's

496
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basically a road right away.

497
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>> Yeah. Too small. It's too small for a

498
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lot. It has no improvements or anything

499
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like that. So, we've just had this

500
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parcel for quite a while uh in hopes

501
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that I could turn it into a trailer

502
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parking area, but apparently that's that

503
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didn't come

504
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>> too small for a helicopter.

505
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>> Helicopter pad still a helicopter pad,

506
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but ideas. So, we we had a developer

507
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reach out to us that knew about this uh

508
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and was interested in purchasing this

509
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little parcel because he could use it as

510
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access to some lots.

511
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Um, it would access actually he's doing

512
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it on behalf of a lot owner that

513
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it's a lot. It's it's it's a family

514
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that's buying two lots, parents and kids

515
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on South Loer. And this and and the lot

516
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sit in a spot that make uh access

517
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through a driveway really steep. So

518
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having an access through Bear Hollow

519
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makes it uh a fairly flat access makes

520
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it much better to access their lots.

521
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>> How how how long is it? Would it make it

522
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a flag lot then if that was the access?

523
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>> Well, would it just be add? Is it one of

524
00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:57,120
the adjoining lots?

525
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>> What's that?

526
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>> Is it one of the adjoining lots?

527
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>> So, it is its own right.

528
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>> No, I mean that

529
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>> Yeah.

530
00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:05,679
>> people that want to buy it.

531
00:23:05,679 --> 00:23:08,400
>> No. No, it's not. It's two lots that sit

532
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on the back side of South.

533
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>> So, this would help them access instead

534
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of accessing the driveway up South

535
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Loafer because it's really steep. Oh,

536
00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:18,000
>> they would come up bear hall to access

537
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their lots on south over. Um, so, uh,

538
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this developer called us on behalf of

539
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the property ownersh to see if we were

540
00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:28,240
interested in selling it. Uh, obviously

541
00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:29,520
we don't have a need for the property.

542
00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:30,640
There's not anything we could ever argue

543
00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:32,559
with. It's too small really for us to do

544
00:23:32,559 --> 00:23:34,880
anything with. So, we certainly were

545
00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:37,760
interested in surplusing it. Um, to do

546
00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:39,840
that, we have to go through the surplus

547
00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:41,760
process, which includes city council.

548
00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:45,679
So, we have to advertise it for 45 days.

549
00:23:45,679 --> 00:23:46,080
>> Y

550
00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:48,480
>> 45 days for sale, which is now got a for

551
00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:50,880
sale sign and being advertised for sale.

552
00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:53,760
Um, we have to get it recorded with the

553
00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:55,520
county, so it has a serial number, which

554
00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:57,760
we're working on. Uh, we have had it

555
00:23:57,760 --> 00:23:59,120
surveyed. We have a legal description

556
00:23:59,120 --> 00:24:01,679
for it. And we've had an appraised

557
00:24:01,679 --> 00:24:06,000
property. So, uh,

558
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,000
we have we have put it up for sale.

559
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:09,679
there's still interest from this

560
00:24:09,679 --> 00:24:11,279
developer on behalf of these two

561
00:24:11,279 --> 00:24:13,520
property owners. Um really probably the

562
00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:15,039
only other ones that would have any

563
00:24:15,039 --> 00:24:17,120
anything to gain by purchasing this

564
00:24:17,120 --> 00:24:19,200
would be the two adjoining ones on

565
00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:21,600
either side. So we are going to

566
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:24,960
advertise it for 45 days. Um and then we

567
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:26,720
can receive

568
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:30,880
I don't know we call them bids but

569
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:34,159
>> offers for this property. Uh obviously

570
00:24:34,159 --> 00:24:35,760
uh we did have it appraised. I thought

571
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:37,840
the appraisal was

572
00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:38,880
pretty.

573
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:39,520
>> I saw that.

574
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:41,200
too.

575
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:43,120
>> I was like,

576
00:24:43,120 --> 00:24:46,000
>> I mean, without being an improved lot to

577
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:47,120
sell it for that, I think that's about

578
00:24:47,120 --> 00:24:49,120
what I paid for my lot. Of course, we

579
00:24:49,120 --> 00:24:50,080
bought

580
00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:51,120
>> That was a long time ago.

581
00:24:51,120 --> 00:24:53,279
>> Yeah, a long time ago. But I I don't

582
00:24:53,279 --> 00:24:54,720
think we'd ever get that. I don't think

583
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:56,000
we'll get any offers for that much on

584
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:56,880
it. You never know.

585
00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:58,400
>> Well, because you can't build up.

586
00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:00,240
>> Yeah, you can't build on it. It's only

587
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:02,960
good to become part of another lot or an

588
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:06,559
access. So, um, so right now it is up

589
00:25:06,559 --> 00:25:08,000
for sale and we'll keep it up for sale

590
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,559
for 45 days. Uh, we'll receive offers on

591
00:25:10,559 --> 00:25:11,840
it and then once we get the offers, we

592
00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:12,720
can come back to council.

593
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:14,960
>> So, what would be the process then since

594
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:16,880
it's not available lot and it would be

595
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:18,880
if it was if it was purchased by the

596
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,039
developer to use as an access because

597
00:25:21,039 --> 00:25:24,159
it's not currently zoned as an access.

598
00:25:24,159 --> 00:25:26,720
Um, we would have to approve that.

599
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:29,039
Correct. To have an additional access to

600
00:25:29,039 --> 00:25:31,200
those properties through there. No, I

601
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:32,400
don't think it' have to be zoned as an

602
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:34,000
access because it meets the current

603
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:35,919
zoning requirements. It'd be a driveway

604
00:25:35,919 --> 00:25:37,600
basically. It' be like a driveway to

605
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:38,480
>> a long driveway.

606
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:39,520
That's why I'm

607
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:40,080
wondering if

608
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:41,200
>> probably shorter than some of the ones

609
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:42,480
we currently have.

610
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:44,159
>> Okay. So, it wouldn't be That's why I

611
00:25:44,159 --> 00:25:45,520
was asking if it would be considered a

612
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:47,600
plaque lot if it's long enough that we'd

613
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:48,080
have to put

614
00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:51,120
>> It would actually not be owned by I

615
00:25:51,120 --> 00:25:52,880
believe and you could be owned by the

616
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:53,520
HOA.

617
00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:55,840
>> It's going to be owned by Summit Creek.

618
00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:57,760
So, how does that work with their

619
00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:00,080
>> service their private roads? Because

620
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,080
that's one of the reasons we have this.

621
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:03,600
>> It would be an easement for the lots,

622
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:04,320
>> okay,

623
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:05,279
>> through the HOA.

624
00:26:05,279 --> 00:26:08,559
>> It just it helps with, you know, if one

625
00:26:08,559 --> 00:26:10,799
of those land owners shifts and changes

626
00:26:10,799 --> 00:26:13,360
or it just it eliminates the contention

627
00:26:13,360 --> 00:26:15,440
around who's in charge of maintaining

628
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:17,840
it, who's in charge of plowing it. It

629
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:19,760
eliminates all of that, which creates an

630
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:20,240
appetite.

631
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:22,159
>> A fire hydrant halfway through and all

632
00:26:22,159 --> 00:26:24,640
of that. because these homes addresses

633
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:27,520
would probably still be west or south

634
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:29,520
loafer

635
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:32,880
>> petitioning to change to their hollow

636
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:34,640
because the access to be coming from

637
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:35,600
their

638
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:38,240
>> just that might be and I would agree

639
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:40,960
with probably looking at that because

640
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:42,480
emergency access

641
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:43,840
>> we want to make sure we're going to the

642
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:45,360
right address to get to get access to

643
00:26:45,360 --> 00:26:48,159
these homes in a response.

644
00:26:48,159 --> 00:26:51,990
So

645
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:53,840
it would be similar. So we did this with

646
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:56,080
Sunny Ridge. If you recall, Sunny Ridge

647
00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:57,440
down on Summit Creek

648
00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:59,600
>> is a it's essentially a private drive,

649
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:01,840
but it's a drive for five homes because

650
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:03,200
we didn't want their driveways coming

651
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:05,039
off of Summit Creek Drive. All five

652
00:27:05,039 --> 00:27:06,240
driveways right there in a row on that

653
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:09,039
busy road. So they built a private drive

654
00:27:09,039 --> 00:27:10,799
behind the homes. So there's five homes

655
00:27:10,799 --> 00:27:12,640
that access that private drive.

656
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:14,240
>> It's not a city right away. It's not a

657
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:15,760
city road. It's it's a private drive.

658
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:16,559
This would be similar

659
00:27:16,559 --> 00:27:18,320
>> similar to that. Okay. That puts it in

660
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:18,960
context.

661
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,039
>> Yeah.

662
00:27:21,039 --> 00:27:24,480
>> So, what what's the what's the value of

663
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:26,400
that piece of property to the city right

664
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,480
now? I mean, obviously,

665
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,360
it can't be zoned for another building,

666
00:27:31,360 --> 00:27:33,200
but what about park? Is there any

667
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:34,640
interest in anything like that? And I'm

668
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:36,159
just throwing it out there in terms of

669
00:27:36,159 --> 00:27:36,880
>> a pocket park.

670
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:38,080
>> I mean, that's something to talk about.

671
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:39,919
It's a fifth of an acre

672
00:27:39,919 --> 00:27:43,440
>> uh total. It's 50 feet wide. 50 56 feet

673
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:45,760
wide because it's a wide ride. So, it's

674
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:47,360
the width of a roadway. Yeah.

675
00:27:47,360 --> 00:27:48,960
>> Um, so I don't know. I mean, by the time

676
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:50,159
you got access into there, you wouldn't

677
00:27:50,159 --> 00:27:52,799
have a lot of room to do much. Um, I

678
00:27:52,799 --> 00:27:54,240
don't think you'd have room to put even

679
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:55,600
probably a

680
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:58,480
>> maybe a playground. Uh,

681
00:27:58,480 --> 00:27:59,600
>> swimming pool

682
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:00,559
>> maybe. Yeah.

683
00:28:00,559 --> 00:28:01,600
>> A lot of court.

684
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:04,720
>> Yeah. Single lane swimming pool. It's

685
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:07,600
just

686
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:10,559
>> I'm still open to a helicopter path, but

687
00:28:10,559 --> 00:28:12,320
>> I mean, it's not even wide enough for a

688
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:12,960
helicopter.

689
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:14,399
>> Yeah, that's what I was going to say.

690
00:28:14,399 --> 00:28:16,320
land helicopters on two-lane roads all

691
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:16,640
the way.

692
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:18,320
>> So, so what was the intended purpose?

693
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:19,600
Why was it plotted like this in the

694
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:19,919
first place?

695
00:28:19,919 --> 00:28:21,039
>> Because originally that road was going

696
00:28:21,039 --> 00:28:23,279
to go all the way up to

697
00:28:23,279 --> 00:28:25,360
>> then when they wanted it private then it

698
00:28:25,360 --> 00:28:26,240
was

699
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:28,720
>> so it changed the configuration taxed

700
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:30,720
because it's been considered bigger

701
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:34,000
>> so was supposed to come down here.

702
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,880
>> So pretty.

703
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:38,559
Now,

704
00:28:38,559 --> 00:28:43,190
this isn't going to

705
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:46,240
So, right, I don't know which lots it's

706
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:47,520
actually.

707
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:48,720
>> So, right behind it.

708
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:50,559
>> So, the one it goes straight into

709
00:28:50,559 --> 00:28:52,000
>> straight in and there's two lots right

710
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:52,480
here.

711
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:53,600
>> One on either side. Yeah.

712
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:55,440
>> Okay. That makes it that to me that

713
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:58,240
makes a little bit of a difference. Um,

714
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:01,200
and what I was concerned one of the

715
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:03,600
thoughts I had was is it going to, you

716
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:06,399
know, is is some going to try to split

717
00:29:06,399 --> 00:29:08,080
more that was that because I didn't know

718
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:09,200
who it was coming through. They're going

719
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:10,720
to try to get more lots out of it

720
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:13,360
because it Yeah, they can meet the R119

721
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:14,880
with you know

722
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:18,159
>> Yeah. The actual the actual uh this

723
00:29:18,159 --> 00:29:21,840
actual little parcel is in an R1 to PUB.

724
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:22,799
>> Yeah.

725
00:29:22,799 --> 00:29:25,039
>> Now, South Loafer is R19.

726
00:29:25,039 --> 00:29:25,679
>> Yeah.

727
00:29:25,679 --> 00:29:28,320
>> But it said it would be an access that

728
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:31,200
would be owned by the HOA, but you

729
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:33,039
couldn't make a lot out of it.

730
00:29:33,039 --> 00:29:36,159
>> And we

731
00:29:36,159 --> 00:29:38,240
I I saw that, but I just wanted to make

732
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:39,600
sure that they weren't going to, you

733
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:40,480
know, try to

734
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:42,399
>> tiny house could fit on there.

735
00:29:42,399 --> 00:29:42,799
>> Um,

736
00:29:42,799 --> 00:29:44,080
>> hey, if you guys want to zone it for

737
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:45,840
that, sure.

738
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:46,399
>> Square footage.

739
00:29:46,399 --> 00:29:49,679
>> We don't require a culdeac on an access

740
00:29:49,679 --> 00:29:52,960
like that, Wayne.

741
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:53,360
>> No,

742
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:56,320
>> a turnaround for fire because it's short

743
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:58,799
enough, right?

744
00:29:58,799 --> 00:30:00,240
>> Is that the case? That's what I'm kind

745
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:00,880
of curious about.

746
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:02,080
>> That's kind of what I was thinking. if

747
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:02,559
it was

748
00:30:02,559 --> 00:30:04,000
>> if that was going to eat up anything

749
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,159
with with a turnaround because we do

750
00:30:06,159 --> 00:30:07,679
have

751
00:30:07,679 --> 00:30:09,679
>> requirements if it's so long we have to

752
00:30:09,679 --> 00:30:10,799
have

753
00:30:10,799 --> 00:30:15,600
>> it's essentially a private access. We do

754
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:20,080
if a home gets over 150 ft away then we

755
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:22,559
do require their driveway to be figured

756
00:30:22,559 --> 00:30:24,399
to become a hammerhead.

757
00:30:24,399 --> 00:30:25,840
>> Yes. And

758
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:26,720
>> I'm

759
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:28,320
>> so until we know what the owners are

760
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:31,120
doing or building we really

761
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:36,880
I guess I don't know the answer, but if the homes are 150 ft away from Bear

762
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:39,039
Hollow, then they're the way they access

763
00:30:39,039 --> 00:30:41,039
their driveways would have to be built

764
00:30:41,039 --> 00:30:42,880
to be a hammerhead.

765
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:45,919
>> Um, my my driveway was grandfathered

766
00:30:45,919 --> 00:30:48,399
before that came in. So, I'm actually

767
00:30:48,399 --> 00:30:50,159
longer than what it's supposed to be and

768
00:30:50,159 --> 00:30:52,960
not having a a big enough spot. Mine's

769
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,039
just slightly small. And we've done this

770
00:30:55,039 --> 00:30:57,039
like uh down in Summit Creek at the

771
00:30:57,039 --> 00:30:58,640
Degraph Beach, their driveway that gets

772
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:01,760
to their lot is is way over 150 ft, but

773
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:04,000
they configured their driveway to be a

774
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:04,960
hammerhead.

775
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:07,120
>> So, we've got a turn. That's that's kind

776
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:10,320
of what I was curious about, but those are the two things I was kind of

777
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:13,760
curious about, but I I wasn't sure

778
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:16,240
the context of this until you were able

779
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:18,480
to explain it. What I had it all up on

780
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:20,000
my computer when the page came in. I was

781
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,000
actually putting that in the pits

782
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:23,840
together today.

783
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:26,000
That's why I question if it was

784
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,880
>> if it was a flat lot because road

785
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:30,559
because of the length if it needed the

786
00:31:30,559 --> 00:31:32,720
hammerhead and if it needed the the fire

787
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:34,480
hydrant but if it's just a pass through

788
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:36,720
and you're saying that it's probably

789
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:38,880
most likely going to be close enough but

790
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:42,080
if it's not then the owners would it be

791
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:44,640
then the owner who purchases this or the

792
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:47,279
HOA that would put in the hammerhead? It

793
00:31:47,279 --> 00:31:49,039
would be part of the house construction.

794
00:31:49,039 --> 00:31:50,799
Until they build the houses, we won't

795
00:31:50,799 --> 00:31:52,080
until we get house plans and that'll be

796
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:52,640
part of the

797
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:55,519
>> but they will basically their driveways

798
00:31:55,519 --> 00:31:57,440
would have to be big enough for us to to

799
00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:59,600
have that turn around.

800
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:01,519
>> Um and and I've read through that

801
00:32:01,519 --> 00:32:02,960
extensively because my house doesn't

802
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:04,720
meet that.

803
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:06,399
>> Well, we do require that any homes that

804
00:32:06,399 --> 00:32:08,880
go over 150 ft off the road require them

805
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:10,640
to configure their driveways so that we

806
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:12,159
can turn an apparatus around.

807
00:32:12,159 --> 00:32:16,070
>> Yep.

808
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:17,679
fire truck.

809
00:32:17,679 --> 00:32:18,159
>> Yeah.

810
00:32:18,159 --> 00:32:18,880
>> Situation.

811
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:21,360
>> Um, and this is going to be private, so

812
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:23,279
we're not going to have to to plow it.

813
00:32:23,279 --> 00:32:25,600
So, it end up being a drive and that

814
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:28,640
would need to be very clear on

815
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:29,840
>> on this.

816
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,000
>> It' be a private private access. So, we

817
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:32,320
would have

818
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:34,000
>> Yeah, that that would be very difficult

819
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:34,559
for our

820
00:32:34,559 --> 00:32:37,200
>> It's like we don't plow neo. We don't

821
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:40,799
plow Sunny Ridge. We don't plow

822
00:32:40,799 --> 00:32:41,440
that one.

823
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:46,389
>> They do their little Bobcat down there.

824
00:32:46,399 --> 00:32:47,440
bottom

825
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:49,679
>> blazer.

826
00:32:49,679 --> 00:32:51,760
>> And the scope of our conversation right

827
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:53,200
now is actually just

828
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:53,600
>> Yeah.

829
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:54,880
>> Do we sell it or not?

830
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:56,960
>> Yeah.

831
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,039
>> If we do, I think that though we should

832
00:32:59,039 --> 00:33:01,840
disclose that it may need a hammerhead.

833
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:04,080
>> I think we do need to disclose that.

834
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:06,000
>> That would all be

835
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:06,720
until we get the house.

836
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:08,399
>> Yeah, that's what I'm saying. may need

837
00:33:08,399 --> 00:33:10,640
just so it's upfront that that is our

838
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:12,640
ordinance depending on where your home

839
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:15,120
is.

840
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:17,840
It could affect the way they um plat

841
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:19,679
their house on you know configure their

842
00:33:19,679 --> 00:33:20,799
house.

843
00:33:20,799 --> 00:33:22,480
>> Is that John

844
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:27,190
>> who just dragged me?

845
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:31,269
» Any other questions on this?

846
00:33:31,279 --> 00:33:32,720
» We heard that you wanted to buy some

847
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:33,600
property.

848
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:35,600
>> No. Yeah. I already thought it was

849
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:38,240
already a done deal, but apparently not.

850
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:39,440
>> Okay.

851
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:42,000
>> I guess my only thing Megan apparently

852
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:43,840
has an interest in this. Is that

853
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:48,559
something that we can speak to? What's the interest that just helps you

854
00:33:48,559 --> 00:33:50,720
get to your property?

855
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:52,240
>> Yeah, I think looking at the property

856
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:54,799
from below

857
00:33:54,799 --> 00:33:56,640
for sale and I think it was hard to

858
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:58,320
visualize how to put a house on the

859
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:00,799
property from down below at Wilford. Um,

860
00:34:00,799 --> 00:34:02,880
and then the developer proposed this

861
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:04,880
possibility and that changed everything

862
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:07,840
for us. So it would be me and my husband

863
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:11,359
and I and my parents by the law and um

864
00:34:11,359 --> 00:34:13,040
and the access point from above just

865
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:15,679
makes a lot more sense. So that was our

866
00:34:15,679 --> 00:34:18,879
focus then because access we had gone

867
00:34:18,879 --> 00:34:20,480
through discussions with the developer

868
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:23,599
um creating the roundabout and maybe not

869
00:34:23,599 --> 00:34:25,359
necessarily a roundabout but a circle

870
00:34:25,359 --> 00:34:29,359
shape for services. Um, good to know

871
00:34:29,359 --> 00:34:30,960
about the distances and everything, but

872
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:32,320
that's kind of where we're at with the

873
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:37,040
offer is in. We're kind of contingent.

874
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:41,040
>> Okay. I I see all I I don't see any

875
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,599
negatives to this to be honest with you.

876
00:34:43,599 --> 00:34:45,839
The only other option would be to us put

877
00:34:45,839 --> 00:34:51,200
in a road um or run into and and and

878
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:52,320
have have

879
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:53,599
>> be really stupid.

880
00:34:53,599 --> 00:34:54,800
>> Yeah. It just doesn't doesn't make

881
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:56,800
sense. He put a dead head road that

882
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:58,560
would deadhead of two lots 100 foot road

883
00:34:58,560 --> 00:34:59,520
that would dead.

884
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:03,829
>> Well, we would have to put a culde-sac.

885
00:35:03,839 --> 00:35:06,079
» It doesn't make sense. So, this makes

886
00:35:06,079 --> 00:35:08,880
more sense to me than

887
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:09,760
there's not really

888
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:11,520
>> if it's the two on either side, it's

889
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:13,359
perfect. I think it I think it works out

890
00:35:13,359 --> 00:35:15,599
ideally for everybody involved. I

891
00:35:15,599 --> 00:35:17,520
wouldn't have a problem with them taking

892
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:20,000
that that address as well. Even though

893
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,800
you're on that circle, you can't if you

894
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:24,720
can't access it, you can't access it. um

895
00:35:24,720 --> 00:35:26,640
or if it's limited access, you can only

896
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:28,079
do it in the summertime. So,

897
00:35:28,079 --> 00:35:30,160
>> and like Ted said, you know, if if an

898
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:32,400
emergency call is is made from those

899
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:34,640
homes, we'd rather actually have come

900
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,040
from

901
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:39,520
similar thing to Sunny Ridge. They call

902
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:41,920
from Sunny Ridge, the address is

903
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,400
actually Summit Creek. And so, if you

904
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:46,079
don't know that the house is actually on

905
00:35:46,079 --> 00:35:47,440
Sunny Ridge, you go to Summit Creek and

906
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:48,640
then you're at their backyard and you

907
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:50,560
have to run around the house, right?

908
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:52,480
>> Yeah. So, and you're carrying heavy

909
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:55,750
stuff up ahead.

910
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:58,640
» I'm too fat for that.

911
00:35:58,640 --> 00:35:59,200
>> Okay.

912
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:02,240
On that great note, let's uh move

913
00:36:02,240 --> 00:36:04,560
to number three. Now, we're going to

914
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:06,240
just carry on with the meeting. Megan,

915
00:36:06,240 --> 00:36:08,960
you're welcome to stick around. Um this

916
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:11,359
is exciting stuff, so we're glad to have

917
00:36:11,359 --> 00:36:13,599
you

918
00:36:13,599 --> 00:36:16,240
>> anytime. Anytime. Okay. Discussion of

919
00:36:16,240 --> 00:36:18,640
June's 2026 financials and check

920
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:22,630
dispersements.

921
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:25,040
So, you guys should have received those

922
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:26,320
>> end of the year.

923
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:28,400
>> Didn't have any comments.

924
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:31,359
No comments.

925
00:36:31,359 --> 00:36:33,200
>> I didn't get

926
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:36,880
it. It didn't look like there was

927
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:38,079
>> I looked at it all. I didn't see

928
00:36:38,079 --> 00:36:39,440
>> I looked at it. Didn't see anything. It

929
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:41,520
was

930
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:42,400
>> It's helpful.

931
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:43,599
>> Nothing screwy.

932
00:36:43,599 --> 00:36:44,400
>> Okay.

933
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:45,359
>> Nice.

934
00:36:45,359 --> 00:36:48,000
>> Well, how about July? Anything in July

935
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,480
>> on any of them? They all work. I love

936
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:52,880
this. We're burning through this. Okay.

937
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:55,200
Uh number five, proposed resolution

938
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:56,880
dissolving the community development

939
00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:00,320
committee. Um so I just want to take a

940
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:03,119
second here. Um and I think I can't

941
00:37:03,119 --> 00:37:05,920
remember if I have already said

942
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,240
something publicly. I believe I did last

943
00:37:08,240 --> 00:37:10,800
council meeting. Um but I just wanted to

944
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:13,200
again express my gratitude personally

945
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:14,880
for the great work that they did.

946
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:17,200
Carrie, you especially

947
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:19,440
>> did a great job. Carrie and Chloe kind

948
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:21,839
of worked really hard to get the grant

949
00:37:21,839 --> 00:37:25,040
in the first place. Um, and then they

950
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:26,720
have been working what for two and a

951
00:37:26,720 --> 00:37:30,160
half years it feels three

952
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:33,119
>> more than two and a half years um to

953
00:37:33,119 --> 00:37:35,119
work on that general plan, strategic

954
00:37:35,119 --> 00:37:38,560
plan, um, creating that committee and it

955
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:42,079
was it was some fabulous work. So, thank

956
00:37:42,079 --> 00:37:44,640
you very much uh for that. Yeah, I think

957
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:47,440
Kristen did a great job too with her um

958
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:50,640
Kirstston with her her um leading that

959
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:53,440
committee and I think they are ready to

960
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:54,960
be dissolved.

961
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:58,560
>> Perfect. Are are they are the members of

962
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:00,720
the committee still interested in doing

963
00:38:00,720 --> 00:38:03,040
more volunteering with the city and

964
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:03,599
doing more?

965
00:38:03,599 --> 00:38:04,240
>> I think so.

966
00:38:04,240 --> 00:38:06,480
>> Okay. I'd like to keep that on tap,

967
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:09,200
right? that that we got some

968
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:11,200
be the same people and and knowing we've

969
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:12,560
got some people that aren't on a

970
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:13,760
committee that are willing to do

971
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:14,800
committees.

972
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:18,160
>> So that committee was um Carrie was our

973
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:20,640
liaison. Kirstston was our president,

974
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:23,599
right? And then we had Brandy John's so

975
00:38:23,599 --> 00:38:25,119
Steve's wife

976
00:38:25,119 --> 00:38:27,440
>> um and Khloe Cleveland.

977
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:28,079
>> Yep.

978
00:38:28,079 --> 00:38:32,000
>> Um then we had Sean Johnson who's on the

979
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:34,000
planning commission and Lorie Thomas

980
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:35,440
who's also on the planning commission.

981
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:37,440
So, it's really only Chloe

982
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:39,040
>> who's been in community earth

983
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:40,240
communications

984
00:38:40,240 --> 00:38:42,160
>> and then Brandy. So, it was really fun

985
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:42,880
having Brandy

986
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:45,200
>> and Kirsten So,

987
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:47,119
>> Brandy and Kirsten are kind of the

988
00:38:47,119 --> 00:38:48,800
>> We can't t Brandy because we're going to

989
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:51,040
make her an EMT.

990
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:52,400
>> She doesn't know that yet. We keep

991
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:54,160
telling her, but she doesn't know yet.

992
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:55,040
>> Perfect.

993
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:56,960
>> And Kirsten's

994
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:57,839
buried right now.

995
00:38:57,839 --> 00:39:00,000
>> Then Steve's going to join her and get

996
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:01,520
>> she helped with Maple Festival.

997
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:03,520
>> Yes. Yeah. and and she they they they've

998
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:05,520
been people Chloe's been involved a lot

999
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:07,119
too. So I just want to make sure that

1000
00:39:07,119 --> 00:39:11,119
they're not trying to for run away.

1001
00:39:11,119 --> 00:39:12,560
>> Well, I think that they want to stay

1002
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:13,680
involved in the city.

1003
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:15,040
>> They just need a breather.

1004
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:16,960
>> Yep.

1005
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:19,200
>> Okay. Any other comments or questions

1006
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:21,680
there?

1007
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:23,599
>> Okay.

1008
00:39:23,599 --> 00:39:25,040
Wonderful. Then we're going to move on

1009
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:27,440
to our departmental reports. So Ted,

1010
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:29,200
this will be you. We're going to go to

1011
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:32,240
the community development, public works,

1012
00:39:32,240 --> 00:39:35,119
and the fire department. Um, focusing

1013
00:39:35,119 --> 00:39:37,040
primarily on an update of payment

1014
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:39,520
management project and funding. Uh, the

1015
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:41,200
discussion of the snowplow leases and an

1016
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:43,680
update on the pickle court.

1017
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:48,079
>> Um, so pavement management project

1018
00:39:48,079 --> 00:39:51,520
is underway. They started yesterday. Um,

1019
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:54,480
it's really tearing up some roads. So,

1020
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:56,960
uh, they've been trying to keep as much

1021
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:59,040
as as as good as they can access for

1022
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:00,240
people to get to their houses, their

1023
00:40:00,240 --> 00:40:01,440
driveways. There are some temporary

1024
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:03,839
disruptions while they dig up the road.

1025
00:40:03,839 --> 00:40:05,359
What we found in digging it up is

1026
00:40:05,359 --> 00:40:08,000
there's less pavement or dirt than what

1027
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:10,720
we had hoped. And so, when you look at

1028
00:40:10,720 --> 00:40:12,160
it, you don't see when you go watch them

1029
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:14,000
grind it up, there's you don't see

1030
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:15,520
hardly any asphalt. It's all dirt,

1031
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:16,800
right? So, we probably didn't have a lot

1032
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:19,520
of asphalt down, hence all the cracking.

1033
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:21,200
Um,

1034
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:23,359
so what they do is they go through and

1035
00:40:23,359 --> 00:40:25,520
they grind it all up. It goes 8 inches

1036
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:27,680
deep. So it gets the asphalt plus all

1037
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:30,079
the dirt down to 8 in, which is mostly

1038
00:40:30,079 --> 00:40:32,160
dirt. Grinds it all together. And it's

1039
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:33,440
pretty good dirt. It actually is rope

1040
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:35,200
based material. So it's pretty good dirt

1041
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:37,680
in there. And then they kind of left

1042
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:39,599
with this

1043
00:40:39,599 --> 00:40:41,599
12 in just soft material. That's what

1044
00:40:41,599 --> 00:40:43,440
it's kind of hard to drive on. They got

1045
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:45,760
a grater roller coming in behind it.

1046
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:48,079
Raids it down and then rolls it. So it

1047
00:40:48,079 --> 00:40:49,760
makes it more drivable. So they're

1048
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:51,599
trying to keep people's access as good

1049
00:40:51,599 --> 00:40:52,960
as they can while they're doing this.

1050
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:55,280
But it is a little bit um I think we

1051
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:56,720
were hoping it was more asphalt so it

1052
00:40:56,720 --> 00:40:58,640
just grind up asphalt grindings and it

1053
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:00,560
would be fairly drivable all the time,

1054
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:03,359
but it's not turning out that way. So

1055
00:41:03,359 --> 00:41:05,440
but we've had great residents. I haven't

1056
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:07,280
heard only a couple have called just

1057
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:10,000
asking, you know, you know what so I

1058
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:11,280
don't get blocked my driveway or do I

1059
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:12,560
need to move my car? A few things like

1060
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:14,240
that. But everyone's been great about

1061
00:41:14,240 --> 00:41:15,920
it. They're turning away. They've got

1062
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:19,040
Eagle Nest done and Grizzly done uh as

1063
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:21,599
much as they're doing there. So, they're

1064
00:41:21,599 --> 00:41:23,359
turning away up there, they will start

1065
00:41:23,359 --> 00:41:26,079
paving Eagle Nest on Monday, I believe.

1066
00:41:26,079 --> 00:41:28,480
So, they told me and then within two

1067
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:31,119
weeks they'll have all of that up done.

1068
00:41:31,119 --> 00:41:32,800
>> So, with that material that's left, do

1069
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:35,040
they just roll that? So, they they came

1070
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:36,400
in front of our house today. Noticed

1071
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:37,680
that, too. It was a lot of dirt. It

1072
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:39,440
looked like they were farming.

1073
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:41,760
>> Yeah. Than anything else. So, I didn't

1074
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:43,440
know if is is that material going to be

1075
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:45,200
left like just they they had a roller

1076
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:46,560
come through vibrated down. Is that

1077
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:48,079
going to just be compacted and then the

1078
00:41:48,079 --> 00:41:49,599
new stuff laid on top of it or will that

1079
00:41:49,599 --> 00:41:51,599
be uh hauled away that

1080
00:41:51,599 --> 00:41:52,240
>> hauled away?

1081
00:41:52,240 --> 00:41:52,960
>> It'll be hauled out.

1082
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:54,319
>> Yeah. So, they have to take that they

1083
00:41:54,319 --> 00:41:56,720
have to take it down to 3 in below the

1084
00:41:56,720 --> 00:41:58,000
curve because that's how much asphalt

1085
00:41:58,000 --> 00:41:58,720
would be down.

1086
00:41:58,720 --> 00:41:59,040
>> Okay.

1087
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:01,119
>> So, they'll haul some away. They'll

1088
00:42:01,119 --> 00:42:03,280
leave the remaining there, grade it out,

1089
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:05,440
act it all. So is it are they

1090
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:08,480
classifying it as they're going to make

1091
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:10,960
sure that it's proper roadbased

1092
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:12,160
throughout the whole thing?

1093
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:13,920
>> So

1094
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:16,800
that's a kind of a loaded question

1095
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:18,880
because they can't with asphalt in it.

1096
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:21,280
But it is roadbased material that's

1097
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:24,160
below there and even

1098
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:26,880
>> even if if we run into any bad clays,

1099
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:28,079
we'll look at removing them.

1100
00:42:28,079 --> 00:42:28,480
>> Okay.

1101
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:31,359
>> So far we haven't. Um it's all been base

1102
00:42:31,359 --> 00:42:33,280
course. been mixing it with the asphalt,

1103
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:35,440
but when you got asphalt mixings in it,

1104
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:36,720
you can't classify it. You can't test

1105
00:42:36,720 --> 00:42:37,119
it.

1106
00:42:37,119 --> 00:42:38,000
>> Yeah. Well, yeah.

1107
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:41,200
>> So, but even with that, it was not We

1108
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:42,800
really don't I mean, having the budget

1109
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:45,680
to bring all new base course in or

1110
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:46,160
anything like that.

1111
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:48,720
>> I know. We were planning for it to be I

1112
00:42:48,720 --> 00:42:51,520
just want to make sure it's it's

1113
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:53,119
>> bad foundation's going to give us a bad

1114
00:42:53,119 --> 00:42:53,440
roof.

1115
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:54,240
>> Right. Right. Exactly.

1116
00:42:54,240 --> 00:42:55,520
>> And that's what we don't want. We don't

1117
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:57,440
want a a thick clay. We don't want a lot

1118
00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:59,520
of dirt in it where it's going to wash

1119
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:02,720
out and cause us problems.

1120
00:43:02,720 --> 00:43:04,720
>> So far, everything they have churned up

1121
00:43:04,720 --> 00:43:08,000
has been pretty decent underneath.

1122
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:10,720
>> We'll do compactions on it before the

1123
00:43:10,720 --> 00:43:11,359
pave.

1124
00:43:11,359 --> 00:43:13,440
>> Well, they Yeah, that's do actually

1125
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:15,280
compaction testing. We're going to try,

1126
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:17,119
but unless you do a proctor,

1127
00:43:17,119 --> 00:43:20,079
>> which on this mill material you

1128
00:43:20,079 --> 00:43:21,040
So,

1129
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:23,760
>> so we'll compact it is as and we did

1130
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:27,119
this is the same process we did to

1131
00:43:27,119 --> 00:43:28,880
spring broad hollow. When we hit the

1132
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:30,480
water line project, it's the same thing

1133
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:32,240
we did to all those roads.

1134
00:43:32,240 --> 00:43:34,720
>> And we haven't hit any fiber lines yet.

1135
00:43:34,720 --> 00:43:35,760
What's going on?

1136
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:38,079
>> Well, I told contractor.

1137
00:43:38,079 --> 00:43:39,440
>> Some of them are like two inches below

1138
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:40,319
the asphalt.

1139
00:43:40,319 --> 00:43:42,319
>> Yeah. Yeah. Some of them heat our

1140
00:43:42,319 --> 00:43:44,960
asphalt a little bit. That's how close

1141
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:45,920
they

1142
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:47,440
>> Comcast, too.

1143
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:49,680
>> So, but it's it's going just a it's a

1144
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:51,119
little bit more disruptive than we'd

1145
00:43:51,119 --> 00:43:54,400
hoped, but it's going well. Um, and I

1146
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:56,560
think everything's going as as good as

1147
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:58,640
it could right now. Uh, turning up a

1148
00:43:58,640 --> 00:43:59,760
little more dirt than we'd hope, but

1149
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:01,040
we'll end up with a good product. It's

1150
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:02,240
pretty good dirt. So,

1151
00:44:02,240 --> 00:44:03,920
>> the pave's going to be a little bit

1152
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:07,670
worse, I think.

1153
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:09,920
» Keeping access. I mean, we we have to

1154
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:11,839
let it cure before we can get on it.

1155
00:44:11,839 --> 00:44:15,200
>> Yeah. Takes a couple hours as

1156
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:16,880
they what they do is they roll it in the

1157
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:18,240
rollers, put water.

1158
00:44:18,240 --> 00:44:18,800
>> Yeah.

1159
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:21,200
>> And, uh, so it cures it pretty fast.

1160
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:22,400
They'll probably need an hour or two to

1161
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:23,280
let people drive them.

1162
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:24,800
>> We just don't want any big trucks up

1163
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:25,520
there.

1164
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:25,839
>> Yeah.

1165
00:44:25,839 --> 00:44:26,960
>> We need to restrict that.

1166
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:27,680
>> These hot.

1167
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:28,960
>> So, one of the things that was mentioned

1168
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:31,839
is that there would be uh door hangers

1169
00:44:31,839 --> 00:44:33,760
on those doors that were affected. Those

1170
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:36,000
didn't happen. I'm not sure who if that

1171
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:37,359
was city or if that was the contractor

1172
00:44:37,359 --> 00:44:39,040
that was supposed to put those out.

1173
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:42,319
>> So, they they did get them put out, but

1174
00:44:42,319 --> 00:44:43,760
I don't think they I think they went

1175
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:46,800
farther today. They planned. And so, I

1176
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:48,319
called them. They're getting more made.

1177
00:44:48,319 --> 00:44:51,200
They were up here Saturday and out all

1178
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:54,079
the ones up from uh Woodland Hills

1179
00:44:54,079 --> 00:44:56,640
Drive, Long Eagle Nest up to Grizzly and

1180
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:58,240
down Grizzly

1181
00:44:58,240 --> 00:45:00,000
>> and we didn't get one. The only reason

1182
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:01,520
we knew is there was a real close sign

1183
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:02,240
at our

1184
00:45:02,240 --> 00:45:02,720
>> Yeah.

1185
00:45:02,720 --> 00:45:03,839
>> our door

1186
00:45:03,839 --> 00:45:06,240
>> and then they they started going around

1187
00:45:06,240 --> 00:45:07,839
Eagle Nest, but I don't think I think

1188
00:45:07,839 --> 00:45:09,760
their churning made it No, I think they

1189
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:10,720
made it farther than they thought they

1190
00:45:10,720 --> 00:45:11,520
were going to.

1191
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:13,119
>> So, they didn't get door knockers out to

1192
00:45:13,119 --> 00:45:14,160
some of the houses because they were

1193
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:16,400
going faster than they thought. But I

1194
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:17,839
did talk to their project manager today

1195
00:45:17,839 --> 00:45:20,960
and I'm asking them to revise those too

1196
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:22,400
a little bit to let people know that

1197
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:24,000
they will be disrupted in their driveway

1198
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:26,319
for a little bit, maybe an hour or two

1199
00:45:26,319 --> 00:45:27,839
while they're going by and get it level

1200
00:45:27,839 --> 00:45:28,640
out a little bit.

1201
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:30,480
>> I know we had people pushing their trash

1202
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:32,240
cans out, pulling them in and getting

1203
00:45:32,240 --> 00:45:34,400
them moved or trash get picked up. Okay.

1204
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:35,599
I know that they were

1205
00:45:35,599 --> 00:45:37,440
>> I talked to the trash truck driver and

1206
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:38,960
he said he made it around the whole

1207
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:40,240
thing and picked up all the trash cans

1208
00:45:40,240 --> 00:45:41,760
that were everything that was churned

1209
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:44,720
up. He said it was a little difficult in

1210
00:45:44,720 --> 00:45:46,319
a few spots, but all the way around and

1211
00:45:46,319 --> 00:45:48,240
pick them all up. It's great.

1212
00:45:48,240 --> 00:45:49,920
>> Really like the adventure.

1213
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:53,760
>> Yeah, it is a disruptive process. Uh but

1214
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:58,480
they're going quicker, I think, than we thought. And and it's probably

1215
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:00,319
>> it's less disruptive than our snowstorm,

1216
00:46:00,319 --> 00:46:04,470
so it's probably easy for him.

1217
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:06,000
» Yeah. And we'll end up with a good

1218
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:07,200
product. I'm going to try and send out

1219
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:13,109
some of the amplifies and just up.

1220
00:46:13,119 --> 00:46:14,800
Um,

1221
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:16,720
we did also have them look at parks. We

1222
00:46:16,720 --> 00:46:17,920
talked about paving the park. I went

1223
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:18,880
there. I met with them this morning.

1224
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:20,160
They're going to put together a cost if

1225
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:21,359
we want to look at paving that parking

1226
00:46:21,359 --> 00:46:23,119
lot. It'll have to be graded out a

1227
00:46:23,119 --> 00:46:25,359
little bit and then they'll probably

1228
00:46:25,359 --> 00:46:26,800
they may have enough in the grading to

1229
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:29,200
fill some material in and then pave it

1230
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:31,200
out and pave it a little past the fence.

1231
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:33,280
So, we can then build a trail from there

1232
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:34,800
over to the new pickle ball. So, we have

1233
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:36,720
ADA access all the way through from a

1234
00:46:36,720 --> 00:46:40,319
paved parking area. So, I'll come back

1235
00:46:40,319 --> 00:46:41,920
probably with a cost for that once they

1236
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:42,160
get

1237
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:44,960
>> It's pretty big rock there

1238
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:46,880
in the that parking lot.

1239
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:47,920
>> They're probably going to have to pull

1240
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:50,240
that out, aren't they?

1241
00:46:50,240 --> 00:46:52,560
>> Oh, that parking lot's solid stuff

1242
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:55,119
there. That's good material to put down.

1243
00:46:55,119 --> 00:46:58,319
>> All right. Yeah.

1244
00:46:58,319 --> 00:46:59,920
Anyway,

1245
00:46:59,920 --> 00:47:04,240
um snowplow leases. Um, so our snow plow

1246
00:47:04,240 --> 00:47:08,800
leases are due next June, June 2027. So

1247
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:10,319
this will be our last winter with two

1248
00:47:10,319 --> 00:47:13,359
snow plows we have. We had talked about

1249
00:47:13,359 --> 00:47:15,520
staggering the snow plows, maybe sending

1250
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:18,720
one back and leasing the new one and

1251
00:47:18,720 --> 00:47:20,560
then trying to extend one for another

1252
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:23,119
year so we get off years. So we're

1253
00:47:23,119 --> 00:47:25,920
replacing one of the plows each year. I

1254
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:27,440
had another thought that I want to bring

1255
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:30,480
to the council and that is uh one I uh

1256
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:31,680
the company we're going through right

1257
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:34,079
now I'm not totally enamored with just

1258
00:47:34,079 --> 00:47:36,480
because they're not really responsive.

1259
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:40,880
Um one and two I'm the international

1260
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:42,800
snow plows are not probably the top of

1261
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:45,040
the I don't know a while about the

1262
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:47,440
international snow plows. So I reached

1263
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:49,680
out to a company that we lease our other

1264
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:51,280
vehicles through United Fleet Services.

1265
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:54,319
These guys are local. uh their rep just

1266
00:47:54,319 --> 00:47:56,560
lives right here in Utah County in um

1267
00:47:56,560 --> 00:48:00,000
East Mona. Um and we lease a couple of

1268
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:01,839
our vehicles through through them.

1269
00:48:01,839 --> 00:48:03,520
Really good to work with. So I asked

1270
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:07,520
them about getting some um snow piles

1271
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:09,200
through them.

1272
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:11,839
And uh and we would change the chassis.

1273
00:48:11,839 --> 00:48:13,359
Ford doesn't make a chassis big enough

1274
00:48:13,359 --> 00:48:15,839
yet with a good good motor, but Chevy

1275
00:48:15,839 --> 00:48:18,319
does. Uh so we look at maybe getting a

1276
00:48:18,319 --> 00:48:20,000
couple Chevys.

1277
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:21,680
um that would be the equivalent of the

1278
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:23,280
internationals.

1279
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:25,680
And um so I had them put together kind

1280
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:27,119
of some lease costs for us. And what I

1281
00:48:27,119 --> 00:48:28,880
looked at was either a three-year lease

1282
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:30,880
and then either a four or five, either

1283
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:33,760
one. And so my thought was we send the

1284
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:35,680
two back we have the internationals in

1285
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:37,760
June because they're due. And then we

1286
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:40,240
lease two new ones on a staggered lease.

1287
00:48:40,240 --> 00:48:43,440
So we'd get two new ones this summer

1288
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:45,040
uh on a lease, but the lease would be

1289
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:46,160
staggered. So we'd have a three-year

1290
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:48,079
lease and then either a four or five

1291
00:48:48,079 --> 00:48:49,200
depending what we want to do. They're

1292
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:51,599
pretty flexible. Uh, so I had him put

1293
00:48:51,599 --> 00:48:53,359
together a cost to do that for us

1294
00:48:53,359 --> 00:48:54,800
because if we wanted to, we could start

1295
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:57,520
building them now because it'll take

1296
00:48:57,520 --> 00:48:58,880
probably three months to get the

1297
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:00,880
chassis, then another three months or so

1298
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:04,319
to get them built. Um, and they're

1299
00:49:04,319 --> 00:49:07,040
actually slightly cheaper than the lease

1300
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:08,400
cost we have now through the other

1301
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:10,480
company, but I'll just say it's a wash.

1302
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:11,839
It's close enough it's probably a wash,

1303
00:49:11,839 --> 00:49:14,160
but I guess thing is it doesn't go up in

1304
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:16,160
cost.

1305
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:18,160
Uh we pay about 30 something,000 now for

1306
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:20,640
leasing these. 33 I think it is a year.

1307
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:22,240
Um the new ones would be about 30. So

1308
00:49:22,240 --> 00:49:23,359
we'd actually be saving a little bit

1309
00:49:23,359 --> 00:49:24,880
money. And that's a kind of an estimate

1310
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:26,720
because the full buildout we don't we

1311
00:49:26,720 --> 00:49:28,720
estimated a cost for the buildout but I

1312
00:49:28,720 --> 00:49:31,040
think we've overestimated and he also

1313
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:32,480
projected a little high. So it could

1314
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:35,200
even come better not knowing the timing

1315
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:36,559
of this.

1316
00:49:36,559 --> 00:49:40,000
>> The reli and Ben and and Ted you

1317
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:41,839
probably both can speak to this. the

1318
00:49:41,839 --> 00:49:44,240
reliability of the the trucks we have.

1319
00:49:44,240 --> 00:49:46,800
Obviously much better than than the old

1320
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:48,480
stuff, right? Obviously,

1321
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:50,240
>> the plows don't just automatically fall

1322
00:49:50,240 --> 00:49:51,680
off of these ones. Yeah.

1323
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:53,359
>> Um,

1324
00:49:53,359 --> 00:49:54,880
one of the thoughts when I when I

1325
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:56,400
recommended when I thought about doing

1326
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:58,400
the staggered leases and brought that up

1327
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:00,000
previously

1328
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:03,119
um was to actually get a third truck so

1329
00:50:03,119 --> 00:50:05,359
that we didn't have those breakdowns

1330
00:50:05,359 --> 00:50:07,280
because we had so many breakdowns

1331
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:10,640
previously. Um, are we ready for that?

1332
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:13,359
Are we ready for a third big truck or

1333
00:50:13,359 --> 00:50:15,280
>> Well, we've got a service truck that's a

1334
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:16,800
plow truck. I know. And that's on a

1335
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:17,680
lease as well.

1336
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:19,280
>> Yeah. But it's doing circles. I mean,

1337
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:21,680
it's Well, circles. It's doing

1338
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:23,760
>> cold sacks and then main roads and

1339
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:26,480
crossings and stuff like that. And and

1340
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:29,359
it has a purpose and I hate taking away

1341
00:50:29,359 --> 00:50:32,079
from that purpose on that.

1342
00:50:32,079 --> 00:50:34,000
>> I And and Ben probably knows as much as

1343
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:35,599
I do. I mean, it's hard to gauge from

1344
00:50:35,599 --> 00:50:36,720
this last year. We kept up just fine.

1345
00:50:36,720 --> 00:50:39,760
Last year last year heavy snow

1346
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:41,280
>> there was one heavy heavy storm

1347
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:42,400
>> supposed to have a big snow

1348
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:43,920
>> took us uh that

1349
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:46,880
>> we're kind of struggling with but

1350
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:49,200
>> I don't know if we've had a need yet one

1351
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:52,000
for 3 and two finding people to fill the

1352
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:52,800
seats is actually

1353
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:54,720
>> so I'm not even thinking I mean maybe on

1354
00:50:54,720 --> 00:50:58,079
a big storm we bring in know the fillins

1355
00:50:58,079 --> 00:51:03,520
like me to help on main roads and and or going off on the side with a third

1356
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:05,839
plow I'm thinking of having a plow in

1357
00:51:05,839 --> 00:51:07,440
reserve

1358
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:08,640
Um, so the

1359
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:12,079
>> I don't think we're to that need.

1360
00:51:12,079 --> 00:51:14,720
>> Um, I do think though a third claw is

1361
00:51:14,720 --> 00:51:16,480
probably something we should have a

1362
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:20,240
discussion pending Three Bridges.

1363
00:51:20,240 --> 00:51:21,839
>> Yeah. When when Three Bridges is ready,

1364
00:51:21,839 --> 00:51:25,359
they've talked about us picking up their

1365
00:51:25,359 --> 00:51:27,280
um and I could I could definitely see

1366
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:30,160
that. And honestly, when you think about

1367
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:32,480
it, Summit Creek is going to get to the

1368
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:35,920
point where their Bobcat's not going to cut it, right?

1369
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:37,920
they may be there and I've had

1370
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:40,319
discussions with Bucky about potentially

1371
00:51:40,319 --> 00:51:42,880
having a conversation around us taking

1372
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:44,720
on that as well and they would pay us

1373
00:51:44,720 --> 00:51:48,240
for those services. So I don't think the

1374
00:51:48,240 --> 00:51:50,640
discussion is necessarily 100%

1375
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:54,559
premature. Uh currently though, um so

1376
00:51:54,559 --> 00:51:57,520
three years ago during the big big storm

1377
00:51:57,520 --> 00:51:59,599
when I was basically plowing every

1378
00:51:59,599 --> 00:52:02,240
single day for seven months straight.

1379
00:52:02,240 --> 00:52:03,119
>> Um

1380
00:52:03,119 --> 00:52:03,920
>> October

1381
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:06,800
>> that Yes.

1382
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:10,400
>> that was we had big O so we had the

1383
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:13,680
massive huge one and it was broken 98%

1384
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:14,800
of the time. Oh,

1385
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:18,880
>> so we were basically hitting that season

1386
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:23,040
um with just the two primaries and

1387
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:23,520
service

1388
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:25,119
>> and that was with the crappy service

1389
00:52:25,119 --> 00:52:27,599
truck that couldn't plow uphill. I know

1390
00:52:27,599 --> 00:52:30,000
>> um and so I think right now we are in

1391
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:33,119
the best possible situation for our snow

1392
00:52:33,119 --> 00:52:34,640
plow

1393
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:36,400
options. We're a year behind on

1394
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:38,000
snowplows. And I'm glad Ted is bringing

1395
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:40,559
this up now because we sat with the old

1396
00:52:40,559 --> 00:52:42,640
snow plows for an extra year while we

1397
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:45,119
were getting these done. Doug, we need

1398
00:52:45,119 --> 00:52:46,640
to be thinking about I'm glad you

1399
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:47,839
thought about it, Ted, and they're

1400
00:52:47,839 --> 00:52:49,520
bringing it up now because I think we

1401
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:51,599
need to be pushing now to get those

1402
00:52:51,599 --> 00:52:54,480
leases going. I I 100% agree with you

1403
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:56,480
>> because it takes almost a year to get

1404
00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:58,960
those get those trucks outfitted, you

1405
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:00,480
know, built and outfitted. It just

1406
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:02,960
>> that's why we're switching why I want to

1407
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:04,559
switch leasing companies. uh it would

1408
00:53:04,559 --> 00:53:05,760
actually be a different company building

1409
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:07,440
them for us as well. Different

1410
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:10,319
individual building them for us as well

1411
00:53:10,319 --> 00:53:11,599
um and leasing through a different

1412
00:53:11,599 --> 00:53:13,520
company. So I did talk to him about the

1413
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:15,280
company and he said it would take him

1414
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:17,760
about three months to get the chassis

1415
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:19,839
and then it'd probably be talking to the

1416
00:53:19,839 --> 00:53:21,359
guy building it probably be about 3

1417
00:53:21,359 --> 00:53:21,920
months.

1418
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:24,319
>> Three months is super fast.

1419
00:53:24,319 --> 00:53:26,480
>> He said 10 weeks is what he told me. 10

1420
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:28,319
weeks just three months. I've added a

1421
00:53:28,319 --> 00:53:30,559
little bit off to his 10 weeks. If we

1422
00:53:30,559 --> 00:53:34,400
ordered them then for the 2027 snow

1423
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:37,280
season, they could be done by September

1424
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:38,960
or October to be used.

1425
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:40,720
>> Yeah. Yeah. We we it'd be good to get

1426
00:53:40,720 --> 00:53:41,440
started on it.

1427
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:42,160
>> Yeah.

1428
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:44,160
>> It probably middle of winter.

1429
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:44,960
>> Yeah.

1430
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:46,160
We want to run

1431
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:46,880
>> an early start.

1432
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:48,960
>> So, kind of I'm envisioning a time frame

1433
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:51,280
on this is so Ted's done a lot of the

1434
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:53,760
preliminary. I want to get that now over

1435
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:56,079
to the finance committee for them to vet

1436
00:53:56,079 --> 00:53:58,079
all the numbers and to get that logic.

1437
00:53:58,079 --> 00:54:00,480
And I think proposing a third truck for

1438
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:02,720
the finance committee to look through

1439
00:54:02,720 --> 00:54:03,839
makes perfect sense.

1440
00:54:03,839 --> 00:54:04,559
>> Y

1441
00:54:04,559 --> 00:54:06,640
>> um I personally don't think we're we're

1442
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:08,800
to that need yet. Um I think there needs

1443
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:12,559
to be an additional service required for

1444
00:54:12,559 --> 00:54:15,920
that third truck to be justified. Um

1445
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:19,920
>> and revenue Um, but I think this

1446
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:21,599
finance committee looking through that

1447
00:54:21,599 --> 00:54:23,599
is a great asset and utilization of the

1448
00:54:23,599 --> 00:54:25,920
finance committee. Once we get through

1449
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:27,839
all of that process, which we all know

1450
00:54:27,839 --> 00:54:30,480
that takes a couple months, um, then I

1451
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:33,040
think it's it's down to Ted deciding on

1452
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:36,160
the the make, model, configuration that

1453
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:37,359
>> that is what it is

1454
00:54:37,359 --> 00:54:39,280
>> and then we can pull the trigger with

1455
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:41,200
the council. And I would suggest we try

1456
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:44,480
to shoot for a couple months uh to have

1457
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:45,760
this ready to go because we're going to

1458
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:46,960
have to if we're going to want them for

1459
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:50,640
the 20 27 28 winter get these going

1460
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:51,920
within a couple months.

1461
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:52,319
>> Yeah.

1462
00:54:52,319 --> 00:54:54,400
>> When when does the lease end the lease

1463
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:56,240
when is it like June July?

1464
00:54:56,240 --> 00:54:58,559
>> Yeah. But we can they're they're we can

1465
00:54:58,559 --> 00:55:01,040
just extend our extend payments on it.

1466
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:03,520
doesn't that's what we had to do last

1467
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:04,319
time.

1468
00:55:04,319 --> 00:55:08,400
>> The internationals um

1469
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:10,640
they they've Okay. But I mean, they're

1470
00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:11,119
not the best.

1471
00:55:11,119 --> 00:55:12,559
>> They're better than the last set.

1472
00:55:12,559 --> 00:55:14,079
>> They're better, but right now check

1473
00:55:14,079 --> 00:55:15,119
engine lights are on.

1474
00:55:15,119 --> 00:55:17,359
>> I don't It's the thing I love about

1475
00:55:17,359 --> 00:55:19,119
>> But I know why. I know why they're on.

1476
00:55:19,119 --> 00:55:20,240
And we're going to make some changes to

1477
00:55:20,240 --> 00:55:24,079
our plow with these trucks to try to

1478
00:55:24,079 --> 00:55:26,480
prevent that from thing. I love about

1479
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:28,319
the Internationals. I'm just going to be

1480
00:55:28,319 --> 00:55:30,160
a little cheeky is, you know, they make

1481
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:31,680
me feel a little more of the holiday

1482
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:33,520
spirit because the dashboard does light

1483
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:35,760
up lights all over

1484
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:37,599
>> with the check engine light, with the

1485
00:55:37,599 --> 00:55:39,599
exhaust light, with all the other lights

1486
00:55:39,599 --> 00:55:41,680
that are all constantly going off. And

1487
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:43,760
that's why I've also been pushing hard

1488
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:45,440
with Ted

1489
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:47,520
>> to change from the international model

1490
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:52,400
is it is throwing cover so often

1491
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:56,960
>> and until the Hercules motor gets into

1492
00:55:56,960 --> 00:55:57,440
>> um

1493
00:55:57,440 --> 00:55:59,040
>> I'd love to go for but they just don't

1494
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:01,119
>> I know I'm just you know I'm playing

1495
00:56:01,119 --> 00:56:02,720
>> but has the because you know it was a

1496
00:56:02,720 --> 00:56:04,319
little controversial when we decided to

1497
00:56:04,319 --> 00:56:05,680
do the leases. There were people that

1498
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:08,319
were opposed. So overall

1499
00:56:08,319 --> 00:56:10,799
internationals aside is it been better?

1500
00:56:10,799 --> 00:56:12,319
I mean, it seems like it's been like

1501
00:56:12,319 --> 00:56:14,000
100% better.

1502
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:15,839
>> Much more reliable the trucks are when

1503
00:56:15,839 --> 00:56:17,280
we lease them and just run through

1504
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:19,760
leases. And this is, you know, I

1505
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:21,920
understand why other cities have this is

1506
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:24,559
I would say most other cities that are

1507
00:56:24,559 --> 00:56:27,359
do a lot of plowing like us handle uh

1508
00:56:27,359 --> 00:56:30,160
their plows is they they lease them and

1509
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:32,400
rotate them. And this and and I I see

1510
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:35,680
why now. Um saves us. I mean, when

1511
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:38,880
you're down, it is scrambled trying to

1512
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:41,839
get stuff plowed and that's when things

1513
00:56:41,839 --> 00:56:43,680
get unsafe.

1514
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:44,400
Um,

1515
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:45,599
>> citizens get angry.

1516
00:56:45,599 --> 00:56:48,160
Uh, we've had a few

1517
00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:49,599
times this last year we went down with a

1518
00:56:49,599 --> 00:56:51,280
plow and it takes a while to get stuff

1519
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:53,359
done when you only have one plow.

1520
00:56:53,359 --> 00:56:57,280
>> Um, so having reliable plows is is I

1521
00:56:57,280 --> 00:56:58,880
think very valuable. The best way to do

1522
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:00,480
that is to replace them every three to

1523
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:01,680
four years.

1524
00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:05,839
>> That's even long in my opinion. Um

1525
00:57:05,839 --> 00:57:07,359
because of salt. I mean just just

1526
00:57:07,359 --> 00:57:08,480
because of salt.

1527
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:09,680
>> Yeah. And they don't do I mean like

1528
00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:11,119
these internationals this will be their

1529
00:57:11,119 --> 00:57:13,680
third season. Um they're I think they're

1530
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:15,440
doing pretty good as far as wear.

1531
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:17,440
>> Yeah. But stuff that goes out on these

1532
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:20,880
or uh we lose a heated lamp. You know

1533
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:24,160
>> pushing it beyond the three that we that

1534
00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:25,200
we set those with.

1535
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:27,200
>> Well, I think this initial one I think

1536
00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:29,119
it'd be good to do it just maybe push

1537
00:57:29,119 --> 00:57:30,079
one to a four

1538
00:57:30,079 --> 00:57:31,359
>> and that would Yeah, you

1539
00:57:31,359 --> 00:57:32,799
>> then after that it would go to a three.

1540
00:57:32,799 --> 00:57:34,079
Then you'd be on three year.

1541
00:57:34,079 --> 00:57:36,559
>> Well, and maybe in two years you're

1542
00:57:36,559 --> 00:57:38,559
ready to to pull on that third truck.

1543
00:57:38,559 --> 00:57:40,640
That's kind of what I I'd like to get a

1544
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:42,160
new truck. You know, if we had three

1545
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:44,240
trucks and we needed three trucks and

1546
00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:45,599
we're getting a new one every single

1547
00:57:45,599 --> 00:57:46,960
year and have them all on threeear

1548
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:49,760
leases. That's what I envisioned when I

1549
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:51,440
brought that whole thing up just for the

1550
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:53,280
reliability of it because your older

1551
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:55,440
truck's going to be the one that does

1552
00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:57,440
fail and you've got two more that you

1553
00:57:57,440 --> 00:57:59,440
can maintain with a lot easier than you

1554
00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:00,480
can with one.

1555
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:02,880
>> Oh, we got to get some snow. We've got

1556
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:04,559
some awesome public works technician

1557
00:58:04,559 --> 00:58:05,839
that maintains all the structure.

1558
00:58:05,839 --> 00:58:07,119
>> I know. He's awesome.

1559
00:58:07,119 --> 00:58:08,960
>> He actually does too good a job because

1560
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:11,280
if you get in there too quickly, you

1561
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:13,599
slide all over cuz the the mats are so

1562
00:58:13,599 --> 00:58:14,160
clean.

1563
00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:16,640
>> I hate those mats.

1564
00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:17,760
>> Really?

1565
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:20,880
>> He uses like tire polish or something.

1566
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:24,069
>> That's great.

1567
00:58:24,079 --> 00:58:25,920
» They're weather tech, but they won't

1568
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:28,880
stay still.

1569
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:30,720
>> Throw a little dirt on there first. Oh,

1570
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:32,480
he keeps things so clean and organized

1571
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:34,160
down there that it's

1572
00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:36,960
>> No, he does he does a fantastic job. Um,

1573
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:39,359
and but you know, that's that's kind of

1574
00:58:39,359 --> 00:58:42,640
my vision from three years ago was or

1575
00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:45,119
two years ago was I would like to see us

1576
00:58:45,119 --> 00:58:46,960
get to where we're putting a new truck

1577
00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:50,160
in service, big truck in service every

1578
00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:51,839
year and we've got them on three-year

1579
00:58:51,839 --> 00:58:53,599
leases because that's where our

1580
00:58:53,599 --> 00:58:56,400
reliability is. It we proved it, but

1581
00:58:56,400 --> 00:58:58,160
it's been proven before that. We did the

1582
00:58:58,160 --> 00:59:00,480
research, right? to put one of these on

1583
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:01,680
and off for now.

1584
00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:04,240
>> And that makes sense, right? And and and

1585
00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:06,400
it might be time in two years to pick up

1586
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:07,920
a third truck. That's kind of why I want

1587
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:10,240
to bring up the discussion because if we

1588
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:12,400
plan for that that would hit right in

1589
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:16,079
the in the right zone to put us on every

1590
00:59:16,079 --> 00:59:18,480
year for one truck. Um I was wondering

1591
00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:20,880
how we were going to get there and that

1592
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:23,599
a really good idea.

1593
00:59:23,599 --> 00:59:25,200
>> So I guess the direction is we'll pass

1594
00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:27,280
this on to the finance committee and

1595
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:29,280
>> let's create it. Let's let's package the

1596
00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:31,280
whole thing up to deliver to the finance

1597
00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:36,470
committee and we'll we'll go from there.

1598
00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:37,200
» All right. Uh

1599
00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:38,640
>> probably have you come discuss it with

1600
00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:42,160
them too a lot of questions.

1601
00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:46,079
>> Um so the other grant we have is the uh

1602
00:59:46,079 --> 00:59:47,599
community project funding grant through

1603
00:59:47,599 --> 00:59:50,240
Burgess Owen's office. I did get hold of

1604
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:57,920
his office this week. Um the list of uh 20 projects that Burgess

1605
00:59:57,920 --> 00:59:59,599
Owens took to the appropriations

1606
00:59:59,599 --> 01:00:02,319
committee has now been through the

1607
01:00:02,319 --> 01:00:04,960
appropriations committee. Uh I think his

1608
01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:06,960
list of 20 got limited to four coming

1609
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:09,040
out of appropriations committee. Luckily

1610
01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:10,559
we were one of those four.

1611
01:00:10,559 --> 01:00:11,520
>> Oh wow.

1612
01:00:11,520 --> 01:00:13,920
>> Our money got cut a little bit. So we're

1613
01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:15,839
uh we got recommended from the

1614
01:00:15,839 --> 01:00:18,079
appropriations committee

1615
01:00:18,079 --> 01:00:21,359
to for $850,000.

1616
01:00:21,359 --> 01:00:22,400
So we trying for

1617
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:22,960
>> what's that?

1618
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:24,160
>> What were we trying for?

1619
01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:25,920
>> Well, we went in with three. So I went

1620
01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:28,079
in initially 4.9 million.

1621
01:00:28,079 --> 01:00:29,200
>> And they said there's no way you're

1622
01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:30,319
getting that because they they will

1623
01:00:30,319 --> 01:00:31,920
allow you to look up to five.

1624
01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:33,760
>> And they said there's no way. What could

1625
01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:36,160
you do uh to cut that? I said, well, if

1626
01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:37,920
we did 2.9 million, that would get most

1627
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:40,640
of our project done um

1628
01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:41,599
>> and then they said, "Well, how about

1629
01:00:41,599 --> 01:00:44,319
less than that?" So we we eventually we

1630
01:00:44,319 --> 01:00:45,599
got down to about a million I think was

1631
01:00:45,599 --> 01:00:47,680
the least amount we and then we have to

1632
01:00:47,680 --> 01:00:49,280
do a match of that of about a half

1633
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:51,440
million which we've been saving for but

1634
01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:53,599
so I went in with the lowest that we

1635
01:00:53,599 --> 01:00:55,680
would accept would be or we would want

1636
01:00:55,680 --> 01:00:57,200
not accept but we would want is a

1637
01:00:57,200 --> 01:00:58,799
million dollars with our match dollars

1638
01:00:58,799 --> 01:01:01,920
so be a million half dollar project. Um

1639
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:06,319
they uh it got cut to $850

1640
01:01:06,319 --> 01:01:08,079
was the bad news. The good news is we we

1641
01:01:08,079 --> 01:01:10,720
made it through 16 others obviously got

1642
01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:12,480
cut.

1643
01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:13,440
>> So it's made it through the

1644
01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:15,280
appropriations committee. However, it's

1645
01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:19,040
now at Congress and probably won't I

1646
01:01:19,040 --> 01:01:20,079
don't know that we'll hear anything

1647
01:01:20,079 --> 01:01:21,440
going through Congress for the next

1648
01:01:21,440 --> 01:01:23,760
year. He said it's basically a bill they

1649
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:25,200
got to pass, right? All these projects

1650
01:01:25,200 --> 01:01:28,240
and I think there was some multi-million

1651
01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:29,760
dollars of projects. It's all through

1652
01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:33,920
the United States. And I think I counted

1653
01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:35,200
how many hundreds of projects, but

1654
01:01:35,200 --> 01:01:37,119
anyway, it's one bill, but that bill

1655
01:01:37,119 --> 01:01:38,559
probably will make it through Congress

1656
01:01:38,559 --> 01:01:40,799
at best by the end of the year, he said.

1657
01:01:40,799 --> 01:01:42,400
So,

1658
01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:44,960
>> maybe if pending with elections, they

1659
01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:46,319
might be able to get it through.

1660
01:01:46,319 --> 01:01:46,720
>> Yeah.

1661
01:01:46,720 --> 01:01:49,200
>> End. And if not, then would that

1662
01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:52,319
continue on with Congresswoman Malloyy's

1663
01:01:52,319 --> 01:01:54,319
office now that she's going to be our

1664
01:01:54,319 --> 01:01:57,119
congresswoman after he leaves?

1665
01:01:57,119 --> 01:01:58,640
>> Yeah,

1666
01:01:58,640 --> 01:02:01,200
I think it would transfer those

1667
01:02:01,200 --> 01:02:03,440
existing things would transfer

1668
01:02:03,440 --> 01:02:06,240
>> cut that much. I honestly think we need

1669
01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:11,359
to not not say it's not going to happen,

1670
01:02:11,359 --> 01:02:14,079
but say it's phase two. I think we need

1671
01:02:14,079 --> 01:02:18,400
to to really look at financing to get

1672
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:21,119
Maple and some other things done. We

1673
01:02:21,119 --> 01:02:23,920
we're gonna we're gonna we're sitting on

1674
01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:26,319
a time bump. So, what I would like to do

1675
01:02:26,319 --> 01:02:31,040
is use this to leverage funding. If you

1676
01:02:31,040 --> 01:02:32,960
can use federal funding to leverage

1677
01:02:32,960 --> 01:02:36,000
state funding, it goes it weighs a lot

1678
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:37,760
better with the state and you'll likely

1679
01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:40,319
get better funding through the state.

1680
01:02:40,319 --> 01:02:43,200
So, um I want to start let's start the

1681
01:02:43,200 --> 01:02:45,280
application process with the state uh

1682
01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:47,680
because they have four funding meetings

1683
01:02:47,680 --> 01:02:51,520
a year, I think it is. Um, not sure when

1684
01:02:51,520 --> 01:02:53,440
the next one is, but start the

1685
01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:56,880
application process with the state in

1686
01:02:56,880 --> 01:02:58,720
hopes that this has made it through by

1687
01:02:58,720 --> 01:03:00,559
the time we hit the state and that we

1688
01:03:00,559 --> 01:03:02,880
can leverage this money into state

1689
01:03:02,880 --> 01:03:04,880
funding. The bottom line is though,

1690
01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:05,839
we're going to have to go through some

1691
01:03:05,839 --> 01:03:07,040
public hearings because it's going to

1692
01:03:07,040 --> 01:03:08,000
have to be a water rate.

1693
01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:09,440
>> Yeah. And and that's what I'm saying.

1694
01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:10,880
>> So, it's going to take a little time.

1695
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:13,760
I've already done a water rate analysis.

1696
01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:16,319
>> I think we need to move.

1697
01:03:16,319 --> 01:03:19,039
>> We've done a water rate analysis and

1698
01:03:19,039 --> 01:03:20,319
I'll probably bring that to the council

1699
01:03:20,319 --> 01:03:21,760
maybe next council meeting to start

1700
01:03:21,760 --> 01:03:23,520
letting you look at water rates. Uh

1701
01:03:23,520 --> 01:03:24,640
because that'll have to go to public

1702
01:03:24,640 --> 01:03:25,680
hearing and we're going to have to raise

1703
01:03:25,680 --> 01:03:28,000
water rates in order to take on funding.

1704
01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:30,079
Um

1705
01:03:30,079 --> 01:03:31,520
and then start the application process

1706
01:03:31,520 --> 01:03:32,880
with the state and then leverage this

1707
01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:35,200
money. So rather than make it another

1708
01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:36,799
phase, I'd rather leverage it into one

1709
01:03:36,799 --> 01:03:38,880
bigger phase because I think that'll get

1710
01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:39,359
better.

1711
01:03:39,359 --> 01:03:40,160
>> Yeah.

1712
01:03:40,160 --> 01:03:43,760
>> We'll get better rats from the state

1713
01:03:43,760 --> 01:03:45,680
>> and they'll be more willing to

1714
01:03:45,680 --> 01:03:46,960
>> Yeah. They're more willing to

1715
01:03:46,960 --> 01:03:48,319
>> they're more willing to work with us

1716
01:03:48,319 --> 01:03:51,039
when they say that you have that

1717
01:03:51,039 --> 01:03:53,280
>> which is I it's going to take us six

1718
01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:54,480
months to get through the public hearing

1719
01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:55,760
process anyway.

1720
01:03:55,760 --> 01:03:57,200
>> So let's use the funding we have to

1721
01:03:57,200 --> 01:03:58,160
leverage more funding.

1722
01:03:58,160 --> 01:03:59,920
>> We don't have any funding.

1723
01:03:59,920 --> 01:04:01,200
>> Well, there's 850.

1724
01:04:01,200 --> 01:04:03,280
>> We don't have it.

1725
01:04:03,280 --> 01:04:04,559
>> We'll find out by the end of the year.

1726
01:04:04,559 --> 01:04:05,599
And we're going to be that long with the

1727
01:04:05,599 --> 01:04:07,200
state anyway. What I'm saying is if we

1728
01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:08,799
go to the state only and they give us

1729
01:04:08,799 --> 01:04:10,319
federal funding and we can't take this

1730
01:04:10,319 --> 01:04:11,440
funding,

1731
01:04:11,440 --> 01:04:11,920
>> right?

1732
01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:13,359
>> That makes sense. If we take this

1733
01:04:13,359 --> 01:04:14,640
funding to the state, then we can get

1734
01:04:14,640 --> 01:04:16,240
state funing which is lower interest and

1735
01:04:16,240 --> 01:04:17,599
less federal red tape.

1736
01:04:17,599 --> 01:04:18,160
>> Right.

1737
01:04:18,160 --> 01:04:20,799
>> So, it's But you can't match federal to

1738
01:04:20,799 --> 01:04:21,520
federal.

1739
01:04:21,520 --> 01:04:22,799
>> No, no, I'm not saying that.

1740
01:04:22,799 --> 01:04:25,359
>> But if we get this money, then I can't

1741
01:04:25,359 --> 01:04:26,960
request and the state gives us federal

1742
01:04:26,960 --> 01:04:29,359
money. Then one of the two I can't take.

1743
01:04:29,359 --> 01:04:30,079
Does that make sense?

1744
01:04:30,079 --> 01:04:32,079
>> Two different phases.

1745
01:04:32,079 --> 01:04:33,359
>> You can't leverage federal. It's

1746
01:04:33,359 --> 01:04:35,119
federal. And if I can leverage this

1747
01:04:35,119 --> 01:04:37,039
money, the state money will be better

1748
01:04:37,039 --> 01:04:38,480
interest rate, less red tape, and it'll

1749
01:04:38,480 --> 01:04:40,240
make our project go farther.

1750
01:04:40,240 --> 01:04:41,760
>> Yeah. But you're you're you're saying

1751
01:04:41,760 --> 01:04:43,760
that it's next year,

1752
01:04:43,760 --> 01:04:45,200
>> which is fine. We're not gonna start a

1753
01:04:45,200 --> 01:04:46,880
project till probably another year and a

1754
01:04:46,880 --> 01:04:48,000
half or so.

1755
01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:50,319
>> Well, I just want it to not be I want it

1756
01:04:50,319 --> 01:04:52,079
to be as fast as possible.

1757
01:04:52,079 --> 01:04:54,240
>> I just think we need to worry, but I

1758
01:04:54,240 --> 01:04:55,760
want to move as smart as possible, too.

1759
01:04:55,760 --> 01:04:58,319
>> I I get I get that, but I also I think

1760
01:04:58,319 --> 01:04:59,920
we

1761
01:04:59,920 --> 01:05:02,799
>> if we move too fast moving

1762
01:05:02,799 --> 01:05:05,920
>> I think we move too fast, we're going to

1763
01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:09,039
not get as much project

1764
01:05:09,039 --> 01:05:10,480
>> because we won't get as good as

1765
01:05:10,480 --> 01:05:12,319
>> Put the funding in place and you can do

1766
01:05:12,319 --> 01:05:13,839
more project. You can be more strateic.

1767
01:05:13,839 --> 01:05:14,799
I don't even know if we have to have in

1768
01:05:14,799 --> 01:05:17,039
place. If this makes it through Congress

1769
01:05:17,039 --> 01:05:18,880
by December,

1770
01:05:18,880 --> 01:05:20,079
uh we're not going to get on the

1771
01:05:20,079 --> 01:05:21,920
drinking water report before that

1772
01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:23,520
anyway.

1773
01:05:23,520 --> 01:05:24,960
We start the application process with

1774
01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:26,400
them, go through our public hearings.

1775
01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:27,520
That's going to take us at least till

1776
01:05:27,520 --> 01:05:28,240
December.

1777
01:05:28,240 --> 01:05:30,079
>> Yeah, let's let's do it. Let's That's

1778
01:05:30,079 --> 01:05:30,880
what I'm saying.

1779
01:05:30,880 --> 01:05:33,119
>> This to leverage it

1780
01:05:33,119 --> 01:05:36,400
>> and and if this comes through, great. If

1781
01:05:36,400 --> 01:05:40,160
it fails, then ready to at least do part

1782
01:05:40,160 --> 01:05:42,880
of it, right? sort of changes our

1783
01:05:42,880 --> 01:05:45,760
application process. It might, but I

1784
01:05:45,760 --> 01:05:47,359
think we need to move. I

1785
01:05:47,359 --> 01:05:49,119
>> Ted is currently working on it.

1786
01:05:49,119 --> 01:05:52,559
>> That's what I'm a long time. So, I've

1787
01:05:52,559 --> 01:05:54,400
done a water rate study, which is the

1788
01:05:54,400 --> 01:05:55,599
first step.

1789
01:05:55,599 --> 01:05:56,319
>> Um,

1790
01:05:56,319 --> 01:05:57,839
>> and I've already talked to Division of

1791
01:05:57,839 --> 01:06:00,559
Drinking Water about um funding options

1792
01:06:00,559 --> 01:06:04,720
with them. Um, but once again, I I think

1793
01:06:04,720 --> 01:06:06,720
there's a balance of moving but also

1794
01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:08,319
moving smartly and getting as much

1795
01:06:08,319 --> 01:06:10,720
project as we can. I would rather get

1796
01:06:10,720 --> 01:06:14,000
money to do Maple, Mountain Veil, and

1797
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:17,039
more streets than just get money to do

1798
01:06:17,039 --> 01:06:18,720
Maple because then you leverage your

1799
01:06:18,720 --> 01:06:20,319
construction dollars farther as well

1800
01:06:20,319 --> 01:06:21,680
because then you're not.

1801
01:06:21,680 --> 01:06:23,039
>> I I agree with it. I just

1802
01:06:23,039 --> 01:06:24,319
>> So, I think the more we can leverage

1803
01:06:24,319 --> 01:06:26,319
this and I think waiting three months is

1804
01:06:26,319 --> 01:06:28,000
not going to affect our water lines at

1805
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:29,039
all.

1806
01:06:29,039 --> 01:06:29,680
>> Um,

1807
01:06:29,680 --> 01:06:31,039
>> is it just going to be three months? I

1808
01:06:31,039 --> 01:06:33,039
mean, we waited six months because they

1809
01:06:33,039 --> 01:06:34,880
weren't doing any lending and then we

1810
01:06:34,880 --> 01:06:36,960
waited another three months and then

1811
01:06:36,960 --> 01:06:38,880
that's what I'm saying. I don't seem

1812
01:06:38,880 --> 01:06:40,000
like we're waiting.

1813
01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:41,680
>> We're not wait. So, bottom line, we're

1814
01:06:41,680 --> 01:06:43,760
not waiting. We've been doing a lot of

1815
01:06:43,760 --> 01:06:44,319
stuff.

1816
01:06:44,319 --> 01:06:46,240
>> I know you. I I know you are. Um,

1817
01:06:46,240 --> 01:06:47,920
>> and it's a process.

1818
01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:49,599
>> I think I think we're good. Yes.

1819
01:06:49,599 --> 01:06:52,160
>> So, so the point being is I agree with

1820
01:06:52,160 --> 01:06:54,400
what you're saying. I mean, urgency. I I

1821
01:06:54,400 --> 01:06:57,200
also know that Ted on so many occasions,

1822
01:06:57,200 --> 01:07:00,799
not myself, but Ted and others have gone

1823
01:07:00,799 --> 01:07:02,319
in the middle of the night to check on

1824
01:07:02,319 --> 01:07:04,880
waterline brakes and um people who

1825
01:07:04,880 --> 01:07:06,640
haven't had service all of a sudden. So

1826
01:07:06,640 --> 01:07:08,559
I I don't think we need to relay the

1827
01:07:08,559 --> 01:07:10,720
urgency to Ted because I'm sure he's

1828
01:07:10,720 --> 01:07:12,960
selfishly the one who cares the most

1829
01:07:12,960 --> 01:07:13,680
about it.

1830
01:07:13,680 --> 01:07:15,359
>> I would love to start tomorrow. Yeah.

1831
01:07:15,359 --> 01:07:17,599
>> But I also want to get the big bank. I

1832
01:07:17,599 --> 01:07:21,119
would rather do more water line. If it cost us six months, we can do

1833
01:07:21,119 --> 01:07:23,039
another mile mile of water line for the

1834
01:07:23,039 --> 01:07:24,400
same amount of funding.

1835
01:07:24,400 --> 01:07:25,119
>> Yeah.

1836
01:07:25,119 --> 01:07:25,920
>> Request.

1837
01:07:25,920 --> 01:07:26,319
>> Yeah.

1838
01:07:26,319 --> 01:07:28,640
>> Um stretch our dollars further. I would

1839
01:07:28,640 --> 01:07:30,079
rather wait the six months and do

1840
01:07:30,079 --> 01:07:31,440
another mile water line because that

1841
01:07:31,440 --> 01:07:33,520
saves me more nights out in the middle

1842
01:07:33,520 --> 01:07:34,079
of the night.

1843
01:07:34,079 --> 01:07:35,839
>> Yeah. If we have more water line

1844
01:07:35,839 --> 01:07:38,000
replaced and if we move too fast I think

1845
01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:40,799
we're going to not try and nails these

1846
01:07:40,799 --> 01:07:42,799
two funings together

1847
01:07:42,799 --> 01:07:46,160
then um you know we're going to probably

1848
01:07:46,160 --> 01:07:48,720
get less of a project done and just

1849
01:07:48,720 --> 01:07:49,440
leave us more

1850
01:07:49,440 --> 01:07:50,640
>> and it would affect our water.

1851
01:07:50,640 --> 01:07:52,079
>> There's no way to do a parallel path

1852
01:07:52,079 --> 01:07:53,920
here.

1853
01:07:53,920 --> 01:07:55,520
>> That's what we're doing.

1854
01:07:55,520 --> 01:07:58,240
>> Well, you're you're saying I don't want

1855
01:07:58,240 --> 01:08:00,079
to forgive one funding. I don't want to

1856
01:08:00,079 --> 01:08:01,920
forget one funding to accept.

1857
01:08:01,920 --> 01:08:03,839
>> I I I understand that take them both at

1858
01:08:03,839 --> 01:08:04,480
the same time.

1859
01:08:04,480 --> 01:08:07,920
>> But can we say if if if the federal

1860
01:08:07,920 --> 01:08:09,680
funding works, we're going this path. If

1861
01:08:09,680 --> 01:08:10,880
it doesn't, we're going this path, but

1862
01:08:10,880 --> 01:08:12,400
we're starting them at the same time.

1863
01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:13,760
>> They're already doing this.

1864
01:08:13,760 --> 01:08:14,960
>> Okay. That's what I want to make sure

1865
01:08:14,960 --> 01:08:19,600
that we're delaying waiting on this

1866
01:08:19,600 --> 01:08:21,279
>> and I haven't been.

1867
01:08:21,279 --> 01:08:23,359
>> I think we we can keep going down this

1868
01:08:23,359 --> 01:08:29,110
path, but let's talk about pickles.

1869
01:08:29,120 --> 01:08:30,159
been waiting.

1870
01:08:30,159 --> 01:08:33,120
>> So, the pitfall courts, uh, we have the

1871
01:08:33,120 --> 01:08:35,279
30% design complete and that's been sent

1872
01:08:35,279 --> 01:08:37,520
out to the parks and wreck. I did get an

1873
01:08:37,520 --> 01:08:40,799
email from Sher today. Um, I didn't get

1874
01:08:40,799 --> 01:08:42,080
a chance to read the whole email, but

1875
01:08:42,080 --> 01:08:43,279
the gist of it, I think it sounds like

1876
01:08:43,279 --> 01:08:45,199
there was a lot of comments back

1877
01:08:45,199 --> 01:08:45,679
committee.

1878
01:08:45,679 --> 01:08:46,239
>> Okay.

1879
01:08:46,239 --> 01:08:50,400
>> Um, most of them saying, let's go with

1880
01:08:50,400 --> 01:08:54,640
what has been shown. So, uh, the plan is

1881
01:08:54,640 --> 01:08:56,080
for the engineers to have the work

1882
01:08:56,080 --> 01:08:59,199
complete, final design done by September

1883
01:08:59,199 --> 01:09:02,719
1, and then we'll put it out to bid. Um,

1884
01:09:02,719 --> 01:09:04,719
it'll take us probably a month to get

1885
01:09:04,719 --> 01:09:07,040
through the bidding process. Uh, pick a

1886
01:09:07,040 --> 01:09:09,359
contractor and just let them kind of

1887
01:09:09,359 --> 01:09:11,040
determine the timing, uh, based on the

1888
01:09:11,040 --> 01:09:12,640
weather, if we can do concrete, whether

1889
01:09:12,640 --> 01:09:14,080
they get part of it done this fall and

1890
01:09:14,080 --> 01:09:15,839
then come back next spring or how we do

1891
01:09:15,839 --> 01:09:18,960
that. But, so, it's in the works. uh we

1892
01:09:18,960 --> 01:09:20,640
should have design done by the end of

1893
01:09:20,640 --> 01:09:22,960
this 1 of September.

1894
01:09:22,960 --> 01:09:25,920
>> Um in in line with that, I didn't have

1895
01:09:25,920 --> 01:09:27,759
an opportunity to make that meeting, but

1896
01:09:27,759 --> 01:09:32,560
uh I do want to sit down with some key

1897
01:09:32,560 --> 01:09:34,880
stakeholders and just get the fundraiser

1898
01:09:34,880 --> 01:09:37,120
going even though we're not finalized,

1899
01:09:37,120 --> 01:09:38,960
just figure out what we want, what

1900
01:09:38,960 --> 01:09:40,560
inclusion. So, I don't know who wants to

1901
01:09:40,560 --> 01:09:42,480
be a part of that, but I'll I don't know

1902
01:09:42,480 --> 01:09:44,400
if it's better to work with you, Ted, on

1903
01:09:44,400 --> 01:09:46,159
that or if we want to work with Sherry

1904
01:09:46,159 --> 01:09:49,120
or whatever. She she's gone quite a bit

1905
01:09:49,120 --> 01:09:51,120
and so we haven't had a chance to catch

1906
01:09:51,120 --> 01:09:53,120
up, but

1907
01:09:53,120 --> 01:09:54,560
um I I do want to get that rolling

1908
01:09:54,560 --> 01:09:55,840
because it's going to be a long process

1909
01:09:55,840 --> 01:09:58,080
and I'd love to target

1910
01:09:58,080 --> 01:10:01,120
>> getting 50 to 75,000 for the city from

1911
01:10:01,120 --> 01:10:01,840
that. So,

1912
01:10:01,840 --> 01:10:03,520
>> it'd be nice if we could have something

1913
01:10:03,520 --> 01:10:05,199
for Windland Hills Day and everybody's

1914
01:10:05,199 --> 01:10:06,880
there. They're in the giving mood.

1915
01:10:06,880 --> 01:10:10,159
>> I would suggest working with

1916
01:10:10,159 --> 01:10:12,320
parks trails rec committee and their

1917
01:10:12,320 --> 01:10:13,679
council representative.

1918
01:10:13,679 --> 01:10:14,080
>> Okay.

1919
01:10:14,080 --> 01:10:17,199
>> To get through the funding stuff um just

1920
01:10:17,199 --> 01:10:18,400
because I think they would be able to

1921
01:10:18,400 --> 01:10:20,480
drive in the community better.

1922
01:10:20,480 --> 01:10:21,120
>> Okay.

1923
01:10:21,120 --> 01:10:23,040
>> Having community representation.

1924
01:10:23,040 --> 01:10:23,360
>> Okay.

1925
01:10:23,360 --> 01:10:25,679
>> So, I suggest working through them and

1926
01:10:25,679 --> 01:10:27,520
>> just tell Ted how much money he's got.

1927
01:10:27,520 --> 01:10:29,520
>> You might want to call some of the other

1928
01:10:29,520 --> 01:10:31,280
communities around us that have done

1929
01:10:31,280 --> 01:10:33,040
something similar with the with the

1930
01:10:33,040 --> 01:10:35,520
bricks or pavers or whatever just to

1931
01:10:35,520 --> 01:10:37,920
>> get a jump on best practices

1932
01:10:37,920 --> 01:10:39,440
>> so that Then when you meet, you can say,

1933
01:10:39,440 --> 01:10:42,159
"Oh, this community this this this."

1934
01:10:42,159 --> 01:10:43,040
>> Yeah. Yeah.

1935
01:10:43,040 --> 01:10:45,679
>> This might be helpful to call them,

1936
01:10:45,679 --> 01:10:47,840
>> see what they see what they've done. Um

1937
01:10:47,840 --> 01:10:49,679
the only thing that I noticed is are we

1938
01:10:49,679 --> 01:10:51,280
going to make sure that those courts are

1939
01:10:51,280 --> 01:10:53,840
turned so they're going north south?

1940
01:10:53,840 --> 01:10:54,400
>> They are.

1941
01:10:54,400 --> 01:11:01,030
>> Oh, they are currently. Okay. Sweet.

1942
01:11:01,040 --> 01:11:02,800
The only other thing I wanted to talk

1943
01:11:02,800 --> 01:11:04,320
about for just a second since it's a

1944
01:11:04,320 --> 01:11:06,239
public works thing was the internet

1945
01:11:06,239 --> 01:11:08,000
outage, which I know a lot of people

1946
01:11:08,000 --> 01:11:11,440
were were upset about that and um to

1947
01:11:11,440 --> 01:11:16,320
recognize that it was nothing to do with you or in our city but outside of

1948
01:11:16,320 --> 01:11:19,920
our city. Um, when I talked with Utopia

1949
01:11:19,920 --> 01:11:22,159
about that, they called me right away,

1950
01:11:22,159 --> 01:11:24,480
sent me some pictures and just so that

1951
01:11:24,480 --> 01:11:27,440
our residents who also called all of us

1952
01:11:27,440 --> 01:11:30,320
um that it it did have the blue stakes

1953
01:11:30,320 --> 01:11:32,239
and they know what the regulations are

1954
01:11:32,239 --> 01:11:35,360
on that, but um it appears that as I

1955
01:11:35,360 --> 01:11:37,679
talked with other cities too, um

1956
01:11:37,679 --> 01:11:39,520
sometimes contractors realize that

1957
01:11:39,520 --> 01:11:42,000
August are getting close to projects

1958
01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:43,520
needing to be finished, so they don't

1959
01:11:43,520 --> 01:11:46,640
always do um everything they're supposed

1960
01:11:46,640 --> 01:11:48,800
to like dig by hand within so many feet

1961
01:11:48,800 --> 01:11:51,679
of that blue blue stake line etc.

1962
01:11:51,679 --> 01:11:53,679
>> This one actually the contractor was

1963
01:11:53,679 --> 01:11:54,719
SCSD.

1964
01:11:54,719 --> 01:11:55,600
>> Mhm.

1965
01:11:55,600 --> 01:11:58,400
>> And Utopia

1966
01:11:58,400 --> 01:12:00,719
incorrectly marked the line.

1967
01:12:00,719 --> 01:12:01,520
>> Oh.

1968
01:12:01,520 --> 01:12:04,400
>> So there was no violation beyond the

1969
01:12:04,400 --> 01:12:06,480
fact that the blue stakes was marked

1970
01:12:06,480 --> 01:12:09,199
incorrectly. So thus when they dug there

1971
01:12:09,199 --> 01:12:11,280
was not supposed to be anything there.

1972
01:12:11,280 --> 01:12:12,239
>> I see.

1973
01:12:12,239 --> 01:12:13,199
>> That's why they hit it.

1974
01:12:13,199 --> 01:12:15,280
>> Yeah. So it happens, you know, fairly

1975
01:12:15,280 --> 01:12:17,920
often that these things get dug up. So

1976
01:12:17,920 --> 01:12:21,440
it was just explaining to our residents

1977
01:12:21,440 --> 01:12:22,960
that

1978
01:12:22,960 --> 01:12:25,360
the hard part is is that whoever digs it

1979
01:12:25,360 --> 01:12:29,440
up has to pay for it. But um not in this

1980
01:12:29,440 --> 01:12:33,040
case now, yes, but typically but there

1981
01:12:33,040 --> 01:12:36,719
are no punitive damages. So if a if a

1982
01:12:36,719 --> 01:12:39,920
contractor does do it wrong,

1983
01:12:39,920 --> 01:12:42,480
all they have to do is pay for the the

1984
01:12:42,480 --> 01:12:45,360
um the damage and to get it fixed which

1985
01:12:45,360 --> 01:12:47,360
you know to our city being out of the

1986
01:12:47,360 --> 01:12:49,040
internet all day long that affected a

1987
01:12:49,040 --> 01:12:51,040
lot of people in their business and

1988
01:12:51,040 --> 01:12:53,520
schooling and whatever right and so

1989
01:12:53,520 --> 01:12:55,440
there's there's nothing that is

1990
01:12:55,440 --> 01:12:58,080
currently done but I think there is some

1991
01:12:58,080 --> 01:13:00,560
legislation being proposed so whichever

1992
01:13:00,560 --> 01:13:04,080
site is at fault has to pay some

1993
01:13:04,080 --> 01:13:05,920
damages to the municipality

1994
01:13:05,920 --> 01:13:08,640
>> sometimes proving fault right so I've

1995
01:13:08,640 --> 01:13:10,239
done millions and millions of dollars

1996
01:13:10,239 --> 01:13:12,080
worth projects

1997
01:13:12,080 --> 01:13:14,880
and I probably have seen I have not yet

1998
01:13:14,880 --> 01:13:16,320
seen a project where they don't get

1999
01:13:16,320 --> 01:13:17,199
utilities

2000
01:13:17,199 --> 01:13:20,880
>> right. Um it is it is tough because

2001
01:13:20,880 --> 01:13:23,679
utility companies one always don't mark.

2002
01:13:23,679 --> 01:13:26,239
So utility companies hire third party

2003
01:13:26,239 --> 01:13:27,920
>> blue stickers usually market. Now we do

2004
01:13:27,920 --> 01:13:30,480
our own but other hire third party

2005
01:13:30,480 --> 01:13:32,560
utility companies. So and I actually sat

2006
01:13:32,560 --> 01:13:36,159
in a meeting where a contractor hit

2007
01:13:36,159 --> 01:13:38,400
>> 500 homes out of power in the winter a

2008
01:13:38,400 --> 01:13:41,520
hospital three intersections and blew a

2009
01:13:41,520 --> 01:13:44,320
water line apart. And this was major

2010
01:13:44,320 --> 01:13:46,880
like tens of thousands of dollars worth

2011
01:13:46,880 --> 01:13:49,199
of damage because a blue stagger didn't

2012
01:13:49,199 --> 01:13:50,480
mark a power line correct and the

2013
01:13:50,480 --> 01:13:51,840
contractor hit it. It was a main power

2014
01:13:51,840 --> 01:13:54,480
feed for this whole 600. It was up in uh

2015
01:13:54,480 --> 01:13:59,040
east Salt Lake area. Um and so there

2016
01:13:59,040 --> 01:14:00,880
were meeting after meeting after meeting

2017
01:14:00,880 --> 01:14:03,120
who was at fault here. Was it the Blue

2018
01:14:03,120 --> 01:14:04,800
State company? Was it the utility

2019
01:14:04,800 --> 01:14:07,360
company? Was it the contractor? And

2020
01:14:07,360 --> 01:14:08,640
obviously then you get attorneys

2021
01:14:08,640 --> 01:14:11,280
involved and everything like that. Um,

2022
01:14:11,280 --> 01:14:13,600
so it is tough and I think that's why

2023
01:14:13,600 --> 01:14:15,520
they they don't because you you would

2024
01:14:15,520 --> 01:14:18,000
probably spend this just personal

2025
01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:19,520
opinion of mine. You you spend more

2026
01:14:19,520 --> 01:14:20,960
money on attorneys and fighting these in

2027
01:14:20,960 --> 01:14:22,560
court than you would just telling the

2028
01:14:22,560 --> 01:14:25,040
company, listen, you got to pay for our

2029
01:14:25,040 --> 01:14:27,120
company to fix it. And that's going to

2030
01:14:27,120 --> 01:14:28,800
be your damage. And that's the way it is

2031
01:14:28,800 --> 01:14:30,560
now. Um, now they couldn't fight them

2032
01:14:30,560 --> 01:14:32,719
out, but I think it's it's because

2033
01:14:32,719 --> 01:14:34,080
sometimes it's tough to prove, too,

2034
01:14:34,080 --> 01:14:37,679
because utility says if you their their

2035
01:14:37,679 --> 01:14:39,120
marks are within three feet,

2036
01:14:39,120 --> 01:14:40,880
>> right? So they say if it's if it's

2037
01:14:40,880 --> 01:14:43,360
within three feet then it's good mark.

2038
01:14:43,360 --> 01:14:45,120
>> Um but then you've got to prove was it

2039
01:14:45,120 --> 01:14:46,640
within three feet? Was it 3 feet one

2040
01:14:46,640 --> 01:14:48,239
inch? Was it two feet 11 inch? You know

2041
01:14:48,239 --> 01:14:50,480
and when it's dug up the mark's gone.

2042
01:14:50,480 --> 01:14:51,920
>> So how do you prove that? So those

2043
01:14:51,920 --> 01:14:53,280
things are really tough. I think that'll

2044
01:14:53,280 --> 01:14:55,520
be a hard cell.

2045
01:14:55,520 --> 01:14:57,040
>> That's just my personal opinion.

2046
01:14:57,040 --> 01:14:59,679
>> Taking phone calls residents

2047
01:14:59,679 --> 01:15:02,640
>> and the general consensus of all of them

2048
01:15:02,640 --> 01:15:05,040
that called in who you know it's an

2049
01:15:05,040 --> 01:15:08,239
inconvenience, right?

2050
01:15:08,239 --> 01:15:11,600
It's a first world inconvenience. I get

2051
01:15:11,600 --> 01:15:12,560
it.

2052
01:15:12,560 --> 01:15:13,440
>> Problems.

2053
01:15:13,440 --> 01:15:14,960
>> You know what? People have businesses.

2054
01:15:14,960 --> 01:15:17,040
My husband had a big presentation. He

2055
01:15:17,040 --> 01:15:18,960
had to go to Probo and do it.

2056
01:15:18,960 --> 01:15:20,800
>> It's an inconvenience,

2057
01:15:20,800 --> 01:15:24,000
>> but it's not a lifealtering

2058
01:15:24,000 --> 01:15:25,440
thing

2059
01:15:25,440 --> 01:15:27,600
>> for most people. Yeah, it wasn't. I

2060
01:15:27,600 --> 01:15:30,000
think the calls that I I got once they

2061
01:15:30,000 --> 01:15:32,880
saw that um the city was being

2062
01:15:32,880 --> 01:15:34,960
responsive that helped

2063
01:15:34,960 --> 01:15:36,560
>> have nothing to do with But you just put

2064
01:15:36,560 --> 01:15:37,920
something out, right? So, we put

2065
01:15:37,920 --> 01:15:39,920
something out and I think that helped

2066
01:15:39,920 --> 01:15:42,159
people right away. And then having that

2067
01:15:42,159 --> 01:15:44,239
timetable that said they're hoping the

2068
01:15:44,239 --> 01:15:47,040
estimation time, of course, they all it

2069
01:15:47,040 --> 01:15:49,440
did help when you put the thing out that

2070
01:15:49,440 --> 01:15:52,719
said, um, hey, call your own utility

2071
01:15:52,719 --> 01:15:56,560
comp, you know, the utility company and they or look on their website

2072
01:15:56,560 --> 01:15:58,880
because they're putting things out. That

2073
01:15:58,880 --> 01:16:01,600
also helps people to alleviate the panic

2074
01:16:01,600 --> 01:16:03,920
of is it just a temporary thing? Is it

2075
01:16:03,920 --> 01:16:06,239
an all day thing? Was it somebody in our

2076
01:16:06,239 --> 01:16:07,760
city? Was it outside of our city? All

2077
01:16:07,760 --> 01:16:10,320
those things help deescalate the tension

2078
01:16:10,320 --> 01:16:12,080
that can come from these kinds of

2079
01:16:12,080 --> 01:16:14,719
things. So, I thought we did a good job

2080
01:16:14,719 --> 01:16:18,800
in in at least communicating that out um

2081
01:16:18,800 --> 01:16:21,199
and and recognizing and I think that

2082
01:16:21,199 --> 01:16:23,760
helped a lot on the people who were who

2083
01:16:23,760 --> 01:16:26,239
were upset because they then knew drive

2084
01:16:26,239 --> 01:16:28,159
to Provo or drive to Starbucks or

2085
01:16:28,159 --> 01:16:29,360
wherever they were going to get their

2086
01:16:29,360 --> 01:16:33,189
internet that day.

2087
01:16:33,199 --> 01:16:36,960
If that happens again on a workday week,

2088
01:16:36,960 --> 01:16:39,679
like I have Starlink and

2089
01:16:39,679 --> 01:16:40,800
>> and you know what I

2090
01:16:40,800 --> 01:16:42,480
>> and nobody at my house is home in the

2091
01:16:42,480 --> 01:16:43,520
middle of the day. I'm just saying you

2092
01:16:43,520 --> 01:16:44,480
could borrow it

2093
01:16:44,480 --> 01:16:47,440
>> and most of us well actually our IT

2094
01:16:47,440 --> 01:16:50,800
contractor has two Star Links and he

2095
01:16:50,800 --> 01:16:53,600
totally forgot to tell me it and he has

2096
01:16:53,600 --> 01:16:55,840
one that we could have used. We had

2097
01:16:55,840 --> 01:16:57,840
hotspots or at least I had a hot spot on

2098
01:16:57,840 --> 01:17:00,239
my home. Ted had a hot spot on his

2099
01:17:00,239 --> 01:17:04,159
phone. we were able to still um do work

2100
01:17:04,159 --> 01:17:06,000
and function. Plus, there's lots of, you

2101
01:17:06,000 --> 01:17:08,239
know, filing and going through stuff in

2102
01:17:08,239 --> 01:17:11,679
the back that doesn't take internet. We still are able to function here at

2103
01:17:11,679 --> 01:17:12,159
the city.

2104
01:17:12,159 --> 01:17:13,840
>> I just worked out my hospital.

2105
01:17:13,840 --> 01:17:15,840
>> Okay. I just I have one and it's just

2106
01:17:15,840 --> 01:17:18,159
for camping. So, I was just offering

2107
01:17:18,159 --> 01:17:20,000
>> Yeah. And there might be residents who

2108
01:17:20,000 --> 01:17:24,870
need that, but um

2109
01:17:24,880 --> 01:17:26,880
» wonderful. No, I think that's good. And

2110
01:17:26,880 --> 01:17:30,239
I also in my vlog this week, I put up a

2111
01:17:30,239 --> 01:17:32,400
statement about utilities.

2112
01:17:32,400 --> 01:17:34,320
>> I thought it was good. That's why I just

2113
01:17:34,320 --> 01:17:36,239
wanted to bring it up, but I didn't know

2114
01:17:36,239 --> 01:17:38,400
that the other part, but

2115
01:17:38,400 --> 01:17:39,040
>> helpful.

2116
01:17:39,040 --> 01:17:41,440
>> No. Okay. Wayne,

2117
01:17:41,440 --> 01:17:42,960
>> uh, planning commission and code

2118
01:17:42,960 --> 01:17:49,430
enforcement.

2119
01:17:49,440 --> 01:17:52,320
When the

2120
01:17:52,320 --> 01:17:55,120
city council got out of the subdivision

2121
01:17:55,120 --> 01:17:56,880
business, I told you I'd periodically

2122
01:17:56,880 --> 01:17:59,360
give you some updates and things on

2123
01:17:59,360 --> 01:18:02,000
subdivisions and particularly maybe some

2124
01:18:02,000 --> 01:18:05,120
nuances that were uh experiencing with

2125
01:18:05,120 --> 01:18:07,840
them a little bit. So, uh I wanted to

2126
01:18:07,840 --> 01:18:09,440
talk to you a little bit about two

2127
01:18:09,440 --> 01:18:11,760
different subdivision

2128
01:18:11,760 --> 01:18:15,520
um issues. I sent you all a couple of

2129
01:18:15,520 --> 01:18:19,840
pictures of Belle View subdivision.

2130
01:18:19,840 --> 01:18:23,360
Uh they finished all all their

2131
01:18:23,360 --> 01:18:27,199
infrastructure work um many months ago

2132
01:18:27,199 --> 01:18:32,719
and made no effort to record.

2133
01:18:32,719 --> 01:18:37,920
And so um I should record phase B. They

2134
01:18:37,920 --> 01:18:39,840
have two lots that were recorded a long

2135
01:18:39,840 --> 01:18:44,159
time ago. Um but the other lots uh are

2136
01:18:44,159 --> 01:18:48,560
not recorded yet so they can't sell

2137
01:18:48,560 --> 01:18:54,000
those lots. Um some subdivision

2138
01:18:54,000 --> 01:18:59,830
um developers are taking

2139
01:18:59,840 --> 01:19:02,560
reservation money and things like that

2140
01:19:02,560 --> 01:19:05,520
which uh

2141
01:19:05,520 --> 01:19:09,120
we're not concerned with. But the bottom

2142
01:19:09,120 --> 01:19:11,520
line is the lots aren't recorded and so

2143
01:19:11,520 --> 01:19:13,840
we don't issue a building permit for

2144
01:19:13,840 --> 01:19:15,920
those lots until there's a recording

2145
01:19:15,920 --> 01:19:20,640
done. We uh have tried uh for many

2146
01:19:20,640 --> 01:19:25,280
months to try to get uh the developers

2147
01:19:25,280 --> 01:19:27,760
of

2148
01:19:27,760 --> 01:19:33,440
Belleview to record. there was some information

2149
01:19:33,440 --> 01:19:36,719
that needed to be added to the myar and

2150
01:19:36,719 --> 01:19:38,480
um

2151
01:19:38,480 --> 01:19:41,600
they for one reason or another were

2152
01:19:41,600 --> 01:19:45,360
haven't done it. So our ordinance it

2153
01:19:45,360 --> 01:19:50,560
gives them 365 days from when they start

2154
01:19:50,560 --> 01:19:54,640
infrastructure work all recording.

2155
01:19:54,640 --> 01:19:57,600
If it's not if the if the recording is

2156
01:19:57,600 --> 01:20:01,199
not done within 365 days they lose all

2157
01:20:01,199 --> 01:20:05,679
of vesting that they've they've done.

2158
01:20:05,679 --> 01:20:07,600
It's like they're going to have to start

2159
01:20:07,600 --> 01:20:09,520
over again.

2160
01:20:09,520 --> 01:20:11,520
We've communicated that to them that

2161
01:20:11,520 --> 01:20:14,560
they've lost. they've lost that. So,

2162
01:20:14,560 --> 01:20:18,640
we're trying to set up with them a uh a

2163
01:20:18,640 --> 01:20:21,920
shortened version of

2164
01:20:21,920 --> 01:20:26,159
reactivating the subdivision. Now,

2165
01:20:26,159 --> 01:20:29,199
they can get an extension if they ask 60

2166
01:20:29,199 --> 01:20:32,560
days before it's due to expire, and they

2167
01:20:32,560 --> 01:20:36,400
didn't do that. Um, so we've given them

2168
01:20:36,400 --> 01:20:38,880
a number of things that we want updates

2169
01:20:38,880 --> 01:20:42,159
on uh in order to

2170
01:20:42,159 --> 01:20:45,840
go forward with uh

2171
01:20:45,840 --> 01:20:50,000
a request now to the city to uh

2172
01:20:50,000 --> 01:20:53,360
reestablish that subdivision process for

2173
01:20:53,360 --> 01:20:58,239
them. One of the concerns that uh

2174
01:20:58,239 --> 01:21:03,040
I have planning commission has is when

2175
01:21:03,040 --> 01:21:05,280
the original approval was under the

2176
01:21:05,280 --> 01:21:09,760
previous owner of the plants

2177
01:21:09,760 --> 01:21:13,030
>> and

2178
01:21:13,040 --> 01:21:17,760
the the other developer um

2179
01:21:17,760 --> 01:21:20,080
came in and purchased the property then

2180
01:21:20,080 --> 01:21:22,719
and continue to go forward with that

2181
01:21:22,719 --> 01:21:25,360
development plan for the the subdivision

2182
01:21:25,360 --> 01:21:27,600
and they're the ones who have done all

2183
01:21:27,600 --> 01:21:32,719
the work associated with it. Um

2184
01:21:32,719 --> 01:21:35,840
when we approved us planning commission

2185
01:21:35,840 --> 01:21:39,600
and you all uh for that development of

2186
01:21:39,600 --> 01:21:42,560
that um subdivision,

2187
01:21:42,560 --> 01:21:45,280
we gave the then developer who was Carol

2188
01:21:45,280 --> 01:21:49,600
Bell uh some approvals

2189
01:21:49,600 --> 01:21:54,400
to do some grading on that property to

2190
01:21:54,400 --> 01:21:56,239
facilitate

2191
01:21:56,239 --> 01:22:00,000
uh placement of of homes and making lots

2192
01:22:00,000 --> 01:22:01,440
of

2193
01:22:01,440 --> 01:22:04,639
It was of such a design that uh was

2194
01:22:04,639 --> 01:22:08,239
going to be extremely hard to do. So we

2195
01:22:08,239 --> 01:22:10,080
gave them those allowances at the

2196
01:22:10,080 --> 01:22:12,000
beginning and there was a commitment

2197
01:22:12,000 --> 01:22:15,199
from Carol Bell's group that they would

2198
01:22:15,199 --> 01:22:19,679
do as minimum as possible in order to

2199
01:22:19,679 --> 01:22:22,960
get the grading that was necessary to

2200
01:22:22,960 --> 01:22:27,040
allow homes and structures to be built

2201
01:22:27,040 --> 01:22:27,520
space.

2202
01:22:27,520 --> 01:22:28,080
>> Correct.

2203
01:22:28,080 --> 01:22:29,760
>> Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

2204
01:22:29,760 --> 01:22:33,520
>> So, um we're assuming that got

2205
01:22:33,520 --> 01:22:36,400
transmitted to the new developers and

2206
01:22:36,400 --> 01:22:38,639
it's our understanding that the civil

2207
01:22:38,639 --> 01:22:41,360
engineer stayed the same, but I don't

2208
01:22:41,360 --> 01:22:43,520
know how much checking that was done

2209
01:22:43,520 --> 01:22:47,520
during the process. My concern is they

2210
01:22:47,520 --> 01:22:51,360
may not have done enough rating to

2211
01:22:51,360 --> 01:22:56,159
facilitate having less than 35% slopes

2212
01:22:56,159 --> 01:22:59,120
in that area. those pictures that I sent

2213
01:22:59,120 --> 01:22:59,920
you.

2214
01:22:59,920 --> 01:23:00,320
>> Yeah,

2215
01:23:00,320 --> 01:23:03,760
>> there were two lots the back side of the

2216
01:23:03,760 --> 01:23:05,280
culde-sac.

2217
01:23:05,280 --> 01:23:07,120
And when you look at those and you look

2218
01:23:07,120 --> 01:23:09,920
at the drop off in front coming down to

2219
01:23:09,920 --> 01:23:13,600
the the property line, they're just to

2220
01:23:13,600 --> 01:23:17,840
me eyeballing it, it seems like it's

2221
01:23:17,840 --> 01:23:20,080
going to be problematic.

2222
01:23:20,080 --> 01:23:22,320
What we want what we don't want to be in

2223
01:23:22,320 --> 01:23:24,480
a situation is is we go ahead and

2224
01:23:24,480 --> 01:23:27,280
approve that subdivision, approve those

2225
01:23:27,280 --> 01:23:29,840
lots and then somebody comes back to us

2226
01:23:29,840 --> 01:23:32,239
and says we can't build on it. Your

2227
01:23:32,239 --> 01:23:34,960
slope is too great and by ordinance they

2228
01:23:34,960 --> 01:23:37,040
can't. So then they have to potentially

2229
01:23:37,040 --> 01:23:39,520
go through the variance process and pay

2230
01:23:39,520 --> 01:23:42,800
come in and appeal their case. So

2231
01:23:42,800 --> 01:23:44,480
there's there's provisions that we can

2232
01:23:44,480 --> 01:23:49,199
do that if we planning commission now

2233
01:23:49,199 --> 01:23:53,280
and give them um variances in the

2234
01:23:53,280 --> 01:23:57,679
beginning of the uh infrastructure work.

2235
01:23:57,679 --> 01:24:02,480
So that's we've asked them to provide us

2236
01:24:02,480 --> 01:24:07,520
basically a uh grading survey so that we

2237
01:24:07,520 --> 01:24:10,080
can see what what grades are

2238
01:24:10,080 --> 01:24:11,920
particularly in these two lots that I

2239
01:24:11,920 --> 01:24:14,800
took pictures of and sent to you. So

2240
01:24:14,800 --> 01:24:19,040
that if if if they don't qualify

2241
01:24:19,040 --> 01:24:21,120
going through a new subdivision process

2242
01:24:21,120 --> 01:24:23,280
now and they can get in there and make

2243
01:24:23,280 --> 01:24:26,880
and do some more grading to accommodate

2244
01:24:26,880 --> 01:24:28,080
uh the law

2245
01:24:28,080 --> 01:24:30,639
>> if they've already gone through and and

2246
01:24:30,639 --> 01:24:33,199
it has expired the 365 days. So they

2247
01:24:33,199 --> 01:24:35,600
have to start over. But wouldn't the

2248
01:24:35,600 --> 01:24:38,480
original approval that's conditioned on

2249
01:24:38,480 --> 01:24:41,199
them making those lots buildable with

2250
01:24:41,199 --> 01:24:43,520
the new grading that would still be

2251
01:24:43,520 --> 01:24:45,600
enforced? So could it would not be

2252
01:24:45,600 --> 01:24:46,159
enforced.

2253
01:24:46,159 --> 01:24:48,560
>> It lose all vesting that they had.

2254
01:24:48,560 --> 01:24:50,719
>> So it would have to be reapproved by us

2255
01:24:50,719 --> 01:24:52,400
and then we could put that statement

2256
01:24:52,400 --> 01:24:53,199
back in.

2257
01:24:53,199 --> 01:24:54,000
>> We can

2258
01:24:54,000 --> 01:24:55,280
>> and then that's what

2259
01:24:55,280 --> 01:24:57,360
>> yeah instead of variance to the new

2260
01:24:57,360 --> 01:24:59,840
people buying it just if they are going

2261
01:24:59,840 --> 01:25:01,440
to go through the process all over we

2262
01:25:01,440 --> 01:25:03,280
just put that back into the whole

2263
01:25:03,280 --> 01:25:04,320
development agreement.

2264
01:25:04,320 --> 01:25:06,719
>> Yes. I think that would be better for

2265
01:25:06,719 --> 01:25:08,159
the

2266
01:25:08,159 --> 01:25:09,520
>> for the developer to have to be

2267
01:25:09,520 --> 01:25:11,360
responsible for that, not the homeowner

2268
01:25:11,360 --> 01:25:12,960
responsible for a variance. Because a

2269
01:25:12,960 --> 01:25:15,520
variance, although it's nice, it also

2270
01:25:15,520 --> 01:25:18,000
increases the price of your home to have

2271
01:25:18,000 --> 01:25:19,840
to build. I mean, we can build anywhere,

2272
01:25:19,840 --> 01:25:25,280
but increases the price when it's on a slope that is not really meant to

2273
01:25:25,280 --> 01:25:26,159
be buildable.

2274
01:25:26,159 --> 01:25:28,719
>> Correct. So, that's our plan going

2275
01:25:28,719 --> 01:25:30,239
forward, what we're going to do, and

2276
01:25:30,239 --> 01:25:32,400
we'll see what the engineer comes back

2277
01:25:32,400 --> 01:25:34,880
with as far as the slopes that are in

2278
01:25:34,880 --> 01:25:37,840
there now. But eyeballing it, I I just

2279
01:25:37,840 --> 01:25:41,679
have reservations that and they have

2280
01:25:41,679 --> 01:25:43,840
that causes problems with septic.

2281
01:25:43,840 --> 01:25:46,320
They're not on sewer. that potentially

2282
01:25:46,320 --> 01:25:48,960
causes problems with septic because

2283
01:25:48,960 --> 01:25:51,360
public health has requirements that they

2284
01:25:51,360 --> 01:25:54,080
have to be so far away for

2285
01:25:54,080 --> 01:25:56,480
>> and we slopes force

2286
01:25:56,480 --> 01:25:58,000
>> alternate um

2287
01:25:58,000 --> 01:26:00,239
>> they may there's two lots that do

2288
01:26:00,239 --> 01:26:02,480
require and we have we're getting a new

2289
01:26:02,480 --> 01:26:03,440
letter

2290
01:26:03,440 --> 01:26:05,199
>> because that letter expired in three

2291
01:26:05,199 --> 01:26:07,440
years it's passed now

2292
01:26:07,440 --> 01:26:08,960
>> so they're going to have to get us a new

2293
01:26:08,960 --> 01:26:10,800
public health letter regarding their

2294
01:26:10,800 --> 01:26:12,960
septic systems. So, there's quite a few

2295
01:26:12,960 --> 01:26:14,080
things that they're they're going to

2296
01:26:14,080 --> 01:26:16,560
have to do a new

2297
01:26:16,560 --> 01:26:19,040
and we're still having we're having

2298
01:26:19,040 --> 01:26:20,719
difficulties getting a hold of

2299
01:26:20,719 --> 01:26:24,080
responsible parties uh in this process

2300
01:26:24,080 --> 01:26:27,920
with that group that get somebody who's

2301
01:26:27,920 --> 01:26:30,480
willing to

2302
01:26:30,480 --> 01:26:31,920
>> but they won't be able to sell them

2303
01:26:31,920 --> 01:26:34,719
because even though they've been

2304
01:26:34,719 --> 01:26:37,040
technically approved, they haven't been

2305
01:26:37,040 --> 01:26:38,800
recorded. So, they can't sell them

2306
01:26:38,800 --> 01:26:39,360
anyways.

2307
01:26:39,360 --> 01:26:41,120
>> That's correct. Other than the two, the

2308
01:26:41,120 --> 01:26:43,199
first two they did, they could they

2309
01:26:43,199 --> 01:26:44,639
could sell those, but the rest they

2310
01:26:44,639 --> 01:26:46,159
can't they can't sell.

2311
01:26:46,159 --> 01:26:49,600
>> Well, one of these was they were pushing

2312
01:26:49,600 --> 01:26:52,320
to buy one of the second phase lots to

2313
01:26:52,320 --> 01:26:54,239
merge it with the first phase lot, if

2314
01:26:54,239 --> 01:26:56,960
you remember. Um, and that obviously

2315
01:26:56,960 --> 01:26:59,679
didn't happen because we never got that

2316
01:26:59,679 --> 01:27:02,239
recorded. So, apparently, I'm guessing

2317
01:27:02,239 --> 01:27:04,480
those those buyers have have backed out

2318
01:27:04,480 --> 01:27:08,000
completely. So, but septic was an issue

2319
01:27:08,000 --> 01:27:10,159
with these. And I appreciate that you

2320
01:27:10,159 --> 01:27:13,760
staying on top of that because that was one of the things that we

2321
01:27:13,760 --> 01:27:15,600
looked at when when they brought that

2322
01:27:15,600 --> 01:27:17,440
because that was still under the council

2323
01:27:17,440 --> 01:27:19,520
at the time

2324
01:27:19,520 --> 01:27:22,400
>> and and so it was kind of a dual

2325
01:27:22,400 --> 01:27:23,760
planning planning commission and

2326
01:27:23,760 --> 01:27:25,280
council.

2327
01:27:25,280 --> 01:27:27,440
>> But thank you for keeping an eye on

2328
01:27:27,440 --> 01:27:28,800
that.

2329
01:27:28,800 --> 01:27:34,400
>> Yes. Uh any questions on on that part?

2330
01:27:34,400 --> 01:27:37,280
We're we're trying to work with them and

2331
01:27:37,280 --> 01:27:38,880
help them through some of these things

2332
01:27:38,880 --> 01:27:41,920
and we're cutting a lot of the the

2333
01:27:41,920 --> 01:27:45,040
normal stuff out of a second attempt

2334
01:27:45,040 --> 01:27:48,159
here to get uh subdivision approved to

2335
01:27:48,159 --> 01:27:51,600
facilitate. So, but we're satisfying

2336
01:27:51,600 --> 01:27:54,320
ourselves, but we don't want to short

2337
01:27:54,320 --> 01:27:57,360
ourselves the city in in this process.

2338
01:27:57,360 --> 01:27:58,719
But

2339
01:27:58,719 --> 01:28:01,040
>> as long as we're staying within

2340
01:28:01,040 --> 01:28:03,679
I don't I don't want you skipping over

2341
01:28:03,679 --> 01:28:05,360
anything that that is in our code

2342
01:28:05,360 --> 01:28:06,960
because that we don't want to put any

2343
01:28:06,960 --> 01:28:10,560
liability back on on us for anything

2344
01:28:10,560 --> 01:28:12,320
even though it's gone through it once.

2345
01:28:12,320 --> 01:28:14,320
Let's not make sure let's make sure that

2346
01:28:14,320 --> 01:28:18,800
we're not missing anything that you're crossing all te's and dotting my

2347
01:28:18,800 --> 01:28:20,719
eyes because we don't want to stick our

2348
01:28:20,719 --> 01:28:23,440
necks out there. So I I'm glad there's a

2349
01:28:23,440 --> 01:28:25,920
way for you to to that we in there that

2350
01:28:25,920 --> 01:28:28,320
you can you know do a little bit quicker

2351
01:28:28,320 --> 01:28:30,159
for them. So hopefully they get through

2352
01:28:30,159 --> 01:28:31,040
this.

2353
01:28:31,040 --> 01:28:32,719
>> Okay.

2354
01:28:32,719 --> 01:28:35,440
>> Uh The second one, just to bring you up

2355
01:28:35,440 --> 01:28:37,600
today a little bit, is Havenwood

2356
01:28:37,600 --> 01:28:39,440
subdivision.

2357
01:28:39,440 --> 01:28:41,360
You might notice that since the road got

2358
01:28:41,360 --> 01:28:43,120
in, everything else stopped.

2359
01:28:43,120 --> 01:28:43,520
>> Yeah.

2360
01:28:43,520 --> 01:28:44,719
>> Over there.

2361
01:28:44,719 --> 01:28:46,639
>> So, there's ditches that they haven't

2362
01:28:46,639 --> 01:28:51,120
put in yet. And there's a driveway uh

2363
01:28:51,120 --> 01:28:53,600
that they haven't torn up and a new one

2364
01:28:53,600 --> 01:28:54,239
put in.

2365
01:28:54,239 --> 01:28:56,000
>> I was wondering about that one, too.

2366
01:28:56,000 --> 01:28:56,480
That was

2367
01:28:56,480 --> 01:28:57,760
>> that's still hanging for us. That was

2368
01:28:57,760 --> 01:28:59,440
part of the infrastructure work that was

2369
01:28:59,440 --> 01:29:01,199
to be done.

2370
01:29:01,199 --> 01:29:05,040
they they bid on another project that

2371
01:29:05,040 --> 01:29:08,880
they got. So, their attention has been

2372
01:29:08,880 --> 01:29:12,159
taken uh from that area, but we've been

2373
01:29:12,159 --> 01:29:13,679
in touch with them and informed them

2374
01:29:13,679 --> 01:29:15,520
that these things there's not going to

2375
01:29:15,520 --> 01:29:17,600
be any building permits issued and

2376
01:29:17,600 --> 01:29:21,679
they've got quite a bit of interest in those lots over there and they're

2377
01:29:21,679 --> 01:29:24,960
recorded on some of them on phase A that

2378
01:29:24,960 --> 01:29:28,080
they've they've done. Um, but they still

2379
01:29:28,080 --> 01:29:30,159
got some infrastructure work that they

2380
01:29:30,159 --> 01:29:31,760
need to do.

2381
01:29:31,760 --> 01:29:35,600
>> So with the phase A and B when they

2382
01:29:35,600 --> 01:29:38,080
connected that didn't stop phase A. They

2383
01:29:38,080 --> 01:29:39,440
were able to record that.

2384
01:29:39,440 --> 01:29:40,159
>> Correct.

2385
01:29:40,159 --> 01:29:42,960
>> Okay. I didn't I didn't real I didn't I

2386
01:29:42,960 --> 01:29:44,560
thought once they kind of merged they

2387
01:29:44,560 --> 01:29:45,360
couldn't record.

2388
01:29:45,360 --> 01:29:47,199
>> They recorded all the work all the

2389
01:29:47,199 --> 01:29:49,679
infrastructure that they were doing. So

2390
01:29:49,679 --> 01:29:51,920
that's that's in phase A.

2391
01:29:51,920 --> 01:29:52,480
>> Okay.

2392
01:29:52,480 --> 01:29:56,239
>> So they haven't finished that yet.

2393
01:29:56,239 --> 01:29:57,840
Anyway, that's kind of where that's at.

2394
01:29:57,840 --> 01:29:59,360
If you notice, you know, nobody's over

2395
01:29:59,360 --> 01:29:59,920
there for

2396
01:29:59,920 --> 01:30:02,800
>> Yeah. while. But we'll get them back.

2397
01:30:02,800 --> 01:30:06,159
So, that's kind of where that's at.

2398
01:30:06,159 --> 01:30:08,080
>> Expire.

2399
01:30:08,080 --> 01:30:10,480
>> Want them to expire on you.

2400
01:30:10,480 --> 01:30:11,760
>> But they're bonded, right?

2401
01:30:11,760 --> 01:30:13,120
>> They are.

2402
01:30:13,120 --> 01:30:14,560
>> Yes.

2403
01:30:14,560 --> 01:30:16,080
>> I have a question. If you're done with

2404
01:30:16,080 --> 01:30:20,239
that on code enforcement, um, when we

2405
01:30:20,239 --> 01:30:22,320
have a resident who has had some issues

2406
01:30:22,320 --> 01:30:24,800
with code enforcement and then their

2407
01:30:24,800 --> 01:30:26,960
home and becomes for sale, but those

2408
01:30:26,960 --> 01:30:30,400
items haven't been taken care of. Um,

2409
01:30:30,400 --> 01:30:33,920
how does that work? If if do we still

2410
01:30:33,920 --> 01:30:36,639
require them to finish that or come up

2411
01:30:36,639 --> 01:30:38,719
to date in the code before they can sell

2412
01:30:38,719 --> 01:30:41,120
it? Do we put a lean on the property so

2413
01:30:41,120 --> 01:30:42,639
that the new homeowners know it's

2414
01:30:42,639 --> 01:30:45,120
there's not it's not in compliance. What

2415
01:30:45,120 --> 01:30:46,639
do we do? Because there is a home that's

2416
01:30:46,639 --> 01:30:49,440
for sale on Maple right now, but has a

2417
01:30:49,440 --> 01:30:51,120
lot of issues and

2418
01:30:51,120 --> 01:30:52,400
>> I've gotten some calls from the

2419
01:30:52,400 --> 01:30:54,400
neighbors asking about that. I'm I'm

2420
01:30:54,400 --> 01:30:56,480
glad you raised that question. All

2421
01:30:56,480 --> 01:31:00,239
right. Um, this has been going on for a

2422
01:31:00,239 --> 01:31:05,760
number of years with with that home. Um,

2423
01:31:05,760 --> 01:31:09,840
about 60 days or so ago,

2424
01:31:09,840 --> 01:31:13,120
they got another letter uh advising them

2425
01:31:13,120 --> 01:31:16,880
to clean the property up. They haven't t

2426
01:31:16,880 --> 01:31:20,000
make made any effort to do that. Uh,

2427
01:31:20,000 --> 01:31:23,600
starting around 30 days ago, it was a

2428
01:31:23,600 --> 01:31:26,719
deadline given to them and for that from

2429
01:31:26,719 --> 01:31:32,400
that point they are incurring $500 a day

2430
01:31:32,400 --> 01:31:34,000
in

2431
01:31:34,000 --> 01:31:34,960
fines.

2432
01:31:34,960 --> 01:31:37,199
>> Have you put a lean though?

2433
01:31:37,199 --> 01:31:37,600
>> Okay.

2434
01:31:37,600 --> 01:31:39,840
>> I'm not through yet.

2435
01:31:39,840 --> 01:31:42,960
>> So when did the $500 a day start?

2436
01:31:42,960 --> 01:31:45,679
>> That's it started about a little more

2437
01:31:45,679 --> 01:31:47,120
than 30 days ago.

2438
01:31:47,120 --> 01:31:50,719
>> So about the beginning of July.

2439
01:31:50,719 --> 01:31:55,760
>> Yeah. Okay. And it's a $100 a day for

2440
01:31:55,760 --> 01:31:59,040
each violation. So I took and showed

2441
01:31:59,040 --> 01:32:01,760
there was five different violations of

2442
01:32:01,760 --> 01:32:02,960
our code.

2443
01:32:02,960 --> 01:32:07,199
>> So those $500 accumulate then and that's

2444
01:32:07,199 --> 01:32:10,480
a daily fine that they're incurring. So

2445
01:32:10,480 --> 01:32:13,679
the first I let it go for 30 days and

2446
01:32:13,679 --> 01:32:17,280
then we took and filed a notice of lean

2447
01:32:17,280 --> 01:32:19,280
with the county

2448
01:32:19,280 --> 01:32:21,760
uh to inform them and it's recorded

2449
01:32:21,760 --> 01:32:24,960
against that property and I sent a copy

2450
01:32:24,960 --> 01:32:29,199
to them as well. Now we'll wait another

2451
01:32:29,199 --> 01:32:32,639
30 days and we'll add to that then the

2452
01:32:32,639 --> 01:32:36,239
continued $500 a day fine.

2453
01:32:36,239 --> 01:32:39,840
So right now I think it was around

2454
01:32:39,840 --> 01:32:41,520
$13,000

2455
01:32:41,520 --> 01:32:44,639
something like that for for fine for

2456
01:32:44,639 --> 01:32:47,280
these and they I'm a little surprised

2457
01:32:47,280 --> 01:32:49,760
they haven't talked to me about that. We

2458
01:32:49,760 --> 01:32:52,000
we've had we have pretty good open

2459
01:32:52,000 --> 01:32:56,960
communication with things. Um but I if

2460
01:32:56,960 --> 01:32:59,520
they clear one thing up then it'll be

2461
01:32:59,520 --> 01:33:01,679
$100 a day less

2462
01:33:01,679 --> 01:33:04,239
>> and as time goes on but they're still

2463
01:33:04,239 --> 01:33:07,199
obligated for what they recruit up to

2464
01:33:07,199 --> 01:33:09,199
that point. And if they sell it, it has

2465
01:33:09,199 --> 01:33:10,960
to be paid through the sale.

2466
01:33:10,960 --> 01:33:11,440
>> Yeah.

2467
01:33:11,440 --> 01:33:13,520
>> Yes. It's collected at that time.

2468
01:33:13,520 --> 01:33:16,639
>> And if it's if it hasn't been rectified,

2469
01:33:16,639 --> 01:33:19,040
but they've had those things, then it's

2470
01:33:19,040 --> 01:33:20,320
still on the

2471
01:33:20,320 --> 01:33:23,360
>> I mean, how do the new owners know that

2472
01:33:23,360 --> 01:33:24,960
that's not acceptable that

2473
01:33:24,960 --> 01:33:26,800
>> title company should pick that up?

2474
01:33:26,800 --> 01:33:28,239
>> Okay. So, it would be

2475
01:33:28,239 --> 01:33:30,239
>> that's what I just said. Due

2476
01:33:30,239 --> 01:33:32,159
>> title company does a search, they'll

2477
01:33:32,159 --> 01:33:33,679
find it. They call the city, they get a

2478
01:33:33,679 --> 01:33:37,040
payoff. Well, well then, so that that

2479
01:33:37,040 --> 01:33:39,679
any violations that required actual work

2480
01:33:39,679 --> 01:33:43,440
to be done, does the seller or the buyer

2481
01:33:43,440 --> 01:33:45,280
have to absorb that cost?

2482
01:33:45,280 --> 01:33:47,600
>> Seller.

2483
01:33:47,600 --> 01:33:48,239
>> Yes.

2484
01:33:48,239 --> 01:33:50,000
>> Or however they work it out. I mean,

2485
01:33:50,000 --> 01:33:51,679
they it's the contract.

2486
01:33:51,679 --> 01:33:52,159
>> Yeah.

2487
01:33:52,159 --> 01:33:54,560
They have to disclose it.

2488
01:33:54,560 --> 01:33:56,080
>> I mean, can I ask you a question about

2489
01:33:56,080 --> 01:33:56,480
it?

2490
01:33:56,480 --> 01:33:56,800
>> Sure.

2491
01:33:56,800 --> 01:33:58,480
>> I I'm not familiar with the property. Is

2492
01:33:58,480 --> 01:34:01,280
this a an unwilling or an unable?

2493
01:34:01,280 --> 01:34:02,000
>> Unwilling.

2494
01:34:02,000 --> 01:34:03,440
>> Okay.

2495
01:34:03,440 --> 01:34:06,960
might be our people.

2496
01:34:06,960 --> 01:34:07,920
>> Because they choose

2497
01:34:07,920 --> 01:34:08,719
>> they choose to be.

2498
01:34:08,719 --> 01:34:11,520
>> Well, sure. I I just mean is it is it a

2499
01:34:11,520 --> 01:34:13,920
resource problem? Like is it is it

2500
01:34:13,920 --> 01:34:15,679
something our neighbors need help with

2501
01:34:15,679 --> 01:34:19,120
or is it a we're just giving the bird to

2502
01:34:19,120 --> 01:34:20,320
the system?

2503
01:34:20,320 --> 01:34:23,840
>> Yeah. Uh it's a

2504
01:34:23,840 --> 01:34:27,920
>> I'd be happy to talk with you more.

2505
01:34:27,920 --> 01:34:30,960
>> Yeah. Yeah. There's never been they've

2506
01:34:30,960 --> 01:34:33,280
never said we just can't do it.

2507
01:34:33,280 --> 01:34:34,960
>> Yeah.

2508
01:34:34,960 --> 01:34:38,239
>> So there's there's some false starts

2509
01:34:38,239 --> 01:34:42,870
that they've had in some of this.

2510
01:34:42,880 --> 01:34:44,719
» Definitely impacted the neighborhood.

2511
01:34:44,719 --> 01:34:48,400
>> Yeah. Okay. Yeah.

2512
01:34:48,400 --> 01:34:52,159
>> Probably move because

2513
01:34:52,159 --> 01:34:55,590
>> Yeah.

2514
01:34:55,600 --> 01:34:56,560
» answer your question.

2515
01:34:56,560 --> 01:34:58,400
>> Yeah. That's just one I wanted to know

2516
01:34:58,400 --> 01:35:00,320
just to be sure that we

2517
01:35:00,320 --> 01:35:02,960
>> that that's there's three ways of

2518
01:35:02,960 --> 01:35:06,320
addressing it. That's the least

2519
01:35:06,320 --> 01:35:08,320
intrusive and the easiest way for the

2520
01:35:08,320 --> 01:35:10,480
city to address it. We can get an

2521
01:35:10,480 --> 01:35:12,960
attorney involved and take them to court

2522
01:35:12,960 --> 01:35:15,360
if you wanted to, but now we're paying

2523
01:35:15,360 --> 01:35:18,080
attorney and and whatnot to do that sort

2524
01:35:18,080 --> 01:35:19,679
of thing. So

2525
01:35:19,679 --> 01:35:21,520
>> So there's incentive for them to sell

2526
01:35:21,520 --> 01:35:23,760
faster. When when a house is for sale,

2527
01:35:23,760 --> 01:35:26,080
that's the best. That is your absolute

2528
01:35:26,080 --> 01:35:27,760
best option.

2529
01:35:27,760 --> 01:35:29,440
>> 100%.

2530
01:35:29,440 --> 01:35:33,280
>> I've done it on radio homes.

2531
01:35:33,280 --> 01:35:37,590
>> You actually get paid.

2532
01:35:37,600 --> 01:35:41,199
» Very good. Thank you. Thank you.

2533
01:35:41,199 --> 01:35:44,239
>> Okay. Um nothing from emergency

2534
01:35:44,239 --> 01:35:45,760
management.

2535
01:35:45,760 --> 01:35:50,639
Uh Dorl, I see you are online.

2536
01:35:50,639 --> 01:35:52,639
Hi everybody.

2537
01:35:52,639 --> 01:35:55,920
I uh just want to say can you hear me?

2538
01:35:55,920 --> 01:35:56,719
>> Yes sir.

2539
01:35:56,719 --> 01:35:59,840
>> I just want to appreciate the work

2540
01:35:59,840 --> 01:36:03,120
you've done this evening. Uh appreciate

2541
01:36:03,120 --> 01:36:05,679
all of your service to the city, each of

2542
01:36:05,679 --> 01:36:09,520
you. Um I was really impressed this

2543
01:36:09,520 --> 01:36:12,719
evening with your intelligence of

2544
01:36:12,719 --> 01:36:19,350
choosing a Chevy over a Ford. So uh

2545
01:36:19,360 --> 01:36:20,400
No,

2546
01:36:20,400 --> 01:36:22,639
>> it ain't done yet, buddy.

2547
01:36:22,639 --> 01:36:23,600
>> No, with that,

2548
01:36:23,600 --> 01:36:26,159
>> Dorl, you're talking about 911 dispatch,

2549
01:36:26,159 --> 01:36:28,719
please.

2550
01:36:28,719 --> 01:36:31,360
>> Stay in your lane.

2551
01:36:31,360 --> 01:36:33,600
>> It's time. It's time for me to be quiet

2552
01:36:33,600 --> 01:36:35,679
now. Thank you.

2553
01:36:35,679 --> 01:36:37,600
>> Thank you, Dorl.

2554
01:36:37,600 --> 01:36:40,719
>> Okay. Uh we'll move on to uh the mayor

2555
01:36:40,719 --> 01:36:44,159
and council reports. Uh Mag and Cog for

2556
01:36:44,159 --> 01:36:46,639
me. I've got that meeting on Thursday,

2557
01:36:46,639 --> 01:36:49,199
so nothing to report now. Um, we've also

2558
01:36:49,199 --> 01:36:51,760
had holiday breaks um for those

2559
01:36:51,760 --> 01:36:54,080
meetings. Uh, I had my board meeting for

2560
01:36:54,080 --> 01:36:57,760
SCSD this morning. Um,

2561
01:36:57,760 --> 01:36:59,679
there's a number of things going on, but

2562
01:36:59,679 --> 01:37:00,960
I don't think there's anything that's

2563
01:37:00,960 --> 01:37:03,119
really drastically affecting um the

2564
01:37:03,119 --> 01:37:07,760
city. Uh, though we had a fabulous month

2565
01:37:07,760 --> 01:37:12,320
last month with uh SCSD. The electric

2566
01:37:12,320 --> 01:37:15,600
came in at like Usually we're paying

2567
01:37:15,600 --> 01:37:20,800
around 10 to 15 cents per kilowatt. Um

2568
01:37:20,800 --> 01:37:23,760
and we were down to like seven. Um which

2569
01:37:23,760 --> 01:37:25,920
really helps. So Jody, when we get the

2570
01:37:25,920 --> 01:37:28,080
bill for the water pump, there won't be

2571
01:37:28,080 --> 01:37:32,320
the AP whatever e on it. So that will

2572
01:37:32,320 --> 01:37:35,520
help also with city costs and in that

2573
01:37:35,520 --> 01:37:37,840
front. So,

2574
01:37:37,840 --> 01:37:40,400
uh, the dry tree trans the dry creek

2575
01:37:40,400 --> 01:37:42,880
transfer station also, um, nothing

2576
01:37:42,880 --> 01:37:45,360
really to report there beyond the fact

2577
01:37:45,360 --> 01:37:47,920
that we did get the full fire report in

2578
01:37:47,920 --> 01:37:49,920
my last board meeting there.

2579
01:37:49,920 --> 01:37:53,199
>> Um, and it's

2580
01:37:53,199 --> 01:37:55,600
phenomenal. They've got some sprinkler

2581
01:37:55,600 --> 01:37:57,280
heads that they have to replace because

2582
01:37:57,280 --> 01:38:00,400
they went off. Um, they're a one use

2583
01:38:00,400 --> 01:38:04,400
item. Um, and we had literally probably

2584
01:38:04,400 --> 01:38:06,719
a hole about this big melted in the

2585
01:38:06,719 --> 01:38:08,800
peret.

2586
01:38:08,800 --> 01:38:10,400
>> And then we had a few windows that

2587
01:38:10,400 --> 01:38:12,400
melted, but we've got a that's our

2588
01:38:12,400 --> 01:38:15,040
biggest cost is we had a defective

2589
01:38:15,040 --> 01:38:16,400
>> uh windows issue,

2590
01:38:16,400 --> 01:38:18,239
>> the skylights.

2591
01:38:18,239 --> 01:38:20,159
>> That's got to be a big cost to figure

2592
01:38:20,159 --> 01:38:20,960
that out with

2593
01:38:20,960 --> 01:38:23,600
>> and that will but that we only had one

2594
01:38:23,600 --> 01:38:25,119
damage by the fire.

2595
01:38:25,119 --> 01:38:28,719
>> Yeah, but it showed it showed a defect

2596
01:38:28,719 --> 01:38:30,239
and that's what we're going to have to

2597
01:38:30,239 --> 01:38:33,440
deal. That's not a a fire problem. It

2598
01:38:33,440 --> 01:38:36,480
was just given to us. We learned about

2599
01:38:36,480 --> 01:38:39,600
it because of the fire. Uh personnel. Um

2600
01:38:39,600 --> 01:38:42,719
I wanted to let you guys know that uh

2601
01:38:42,719 --> 01:38:45,520
myself, Jody, Lori, and Charlene will be

2602
01:38:45,520 --> 01:38:48,400
having a meeting on the 25th here. Um

2603
01:38:48,400 --> 01:38:51,440
where we are going to be going through

2604
01:38:51,440 --> 01:38:54,880
all things finance. um every single type

2605
01:38:54,880 --> 01:38:56,880
of transaction that we go through, what

2606
01:38:56,880 --> 01:38:59,119
is our procedures, policies, checks and

2607
01:38:59,119 --> 01:39:01,360
balances, every single thing. We're

2608
01:39:01,360 --> 01:39:03,440
going to be writing SOPs on every single

2609
01:39:03,440 --> 01:39:05,840
thing. Um

2610
01:39:05,840 --> 01:39:08,960
and so we're Jod I know is really

2611
01:39:08,960 --> 01:39:11,920
excited for an all day meeting. Um but

2612
01:39:11,920 --> 01:39:14,239
that is going to be a fabulous one um

2613
01:39:14,239 --> 01:39:17,119
from a personnel standpoint. uh we will

2614
01:39:17,119 --> 01:39:20,000
then report all of that to you guys so

2615
01:39:20,000 --> 01:39:22,080
that you guys can see that work um and

2616
01:39:22,080 --> 01:39:23,520
understand that and we'll get you a

2617
01:39:23,520 --> 01:39:26,080
policies and procedures document as a

2618
01:39:26,080 --> 01:39:27,679
deliverable meeting

2619
01:39:27,679 --> 01:39:30,400
>> as as you're doing that I would like to

2620
01:39:30,400 --> 01:39:31,920
you know and I brought it up before I'd

2621
01:39:31,920 --> 01:39:35,199
like to see um

2622
01:39:35,199 --> 01:39:37,040
if it's possible like to see more

2623
01:39:37,040 --> 01:39:41,360
clarity and I would be willing to

2624
01:39:41,360 --> 01:39:43,840
um

2625
01:39:43,840 --> 01:39:47,440
entertain more help for the staff in

2626
01:39:47,440 --> 01:39:51,840
here to give us that clarity. Um, if

2627
01:39:51,840 --> 01:39:55,040
that would help so that we can list, you

2628
01:39:55,040 --> 01:39:56,480
know, when I talked about credit card

2629
01:39:56,480 --> 01:39:58,800
expenses and things like that, I get

2630
01:39:58,800 --> 01:40:02,960
that our staff is is really really full,

2631
01:40:02,960 --> 01:40:05,280
especially with with the changes that

2632
01:40:05,280 --> 01:40:08,480
you've made. Um, and and if it's time to

2633
01:40:08,480 --> 01:40:11,840
bring on another part-time person, um,

2634
01:40:11,840 --> 01:40:13,840
whatever it is, I'd like to see, you

2635
01:40:13,840 --> 01:40:17,760
know, Jod's been great

2636
01:40:17,760 --> 01:40:19,600
>> because at any time you can come in.

2637
01:40:19,600 --> 01:40:27,280
>> I I know I know I can, but I'd like to I with with my current job, I'm I'm not

2638
01:40:27,280 --> 01:40:29,119
here a lot.

2639
01:40:29,119 --> 01:40:31,199
>> Scan all those in with the receipts. So,

2640
01:40:31,199 --> 01:40:36,080
that would just be a request to Lori.

2641
01:40:36,080 --> 01:40:37,840
Okay. And and if that's if that's what

2642
01:40:37,840 --> 01:40:39,760
we we do, you know, just so we can look

2643
01:40:39,760 --> 01:40:42,400
at I know you're planning to get us to,

2644
01:40:42,400 --> 01:40:44,480
you know, our our individual where we're

2645
01:40:44,480 --> 01:40:46,960
all digging in a little bit deeper in in

2646
01:40:46,960 --> 01:40:50,080
certain areas. Um but I would be willing

2647
01:40:50,080 --> 01:40:54,080
to, you know,

2648
01:40:54,080 --> 01:40:57,199
to take some of the load off if if

2649
01:40:57,199 --> 01:40:59,360
possible because I hate making requests

2650
01:40:59,360 --> 01:41:01,199
to you guys because I know you're busy.

2651
01:41:01,199 --> 01:41:03,520
I know I still do, but

2652
01:41:03,520 --> 01:41:06,159
>> your job is to make those requests.

2653
01:41:06,159 --> 01:41:07,119
>> I know. I know that

2654
01:41:07,119 --> 01:41:10,080
>> their job is to respond. So, it was kind

2655
01:41:10,080 --> 01:41:11,760
of like we had an email with our

2656
01:41:11,760 --> 01:41:13,920
attorney today, right? And you know,

2657
01:41:13,920 --> 01:41:15,920
Jody was being kind and apologized that

2658
01:41:15,920 --> 01:41:17,440
he had, you know, look at something else

2659
01:41:17,440 --> 01:41:19,520
and his response was the same I'll give

2660
01:41:19,520 --> 01:41:22,800
to you. You know, this is my job. You

2661
01:41:22,800 --> 01:41:24,159
don't need to apologize. I

2662
01:41:24,159 --> 01:41:26,639
>> I get it, but I also don't want to

2663
01:41:26,639 --> 01:41:28,480
overwhelm unnecessarily.

2664
01:41:28,480 --> 01:41:30,880
>> If you do, I will let you know. And

2665
01:41:30,880 --> 01:41:33,520
that's what I'm I'm saying is I I for

2666
01:41:33,520 --> 01:41:36,239
one would be willing to entertain

2667
01:41:36,239 --> 01:41:37,920
additional help because I know that when

2668
01:41:37,920 --> 01:41:39,920
I come in here they're busy and and I

2669
01:41:39,920 --> 01:41:42,480
know I take up a lot of time and I'm

2670
01:41:42,480 --> 01:41:44,719
guessing everybody does the same thing

2671
01:41:44,719 --> 01:41:45,679
and

2672
01:41:45,679 --> 01:41:46,639
>> no it's just you.

2673
01:41:46,639 --> 01:41:48,239
>> It's just me.

2674
01:41:48,239 --> 01:41:50,000
>> It's just you.

2675
01:41:50,000 --> 01:41:54,320
>> So no noted. So that's I I do you know

2676
01:41:54,320 --> 01:41:56,159
as you're as you guys are talking and as

2677
01:41:56,159 --> 01:41:58,480
you're digging into SOPs and stuff like

2678
01:41:58,480 --> 01:42:01,600
that if it becomes overwhelming I'd be I

2679
01:42:01,600 --> 01:42:04,560
as as on as a council member would be

2680
01:42:04,560 --> 01:42:08,000
willing to entertain more help in the

2681
01:42:08,000 --> 01:42:09,520
city

2682
01:42:09,520 --> 01:42:11,520
if if needed. I that's what I'm that's

2683
01:42:11,520 --> 01:42:12,960
what I'm trying to say here. If it's

2684
01:42:12,960 --> 01:42:14,080
needed

2685
01:42:14,080 --> 01:42:15,520
>> and I think right now actually our

2686
01:42:15,520 --> 01:42:17,199
workload

2687
01:42:17,199 --> 01:42:19,679
balance is pretty darn good. Um, and as

2688
01:42:19,679 --> 01:42:23,040
we get Charlene more integrated, um,

2689
01:42:23,040 --> 01:42:24,560
we're going to pull a little bit more

2690
01:42:24,560 --> 01:42:27,360
off of, for instance, Lori, um, and put

2691
01:42:27,360 --> 01:42:30,239
it on Charlene. Uh, so we'll be able to

2692
01:42:30,239 --> 01:42:32,080
figure all that out. So, I'm currently

2693
01:42:32,080 --> 01:42:35,679
in the process of working on everybody's

2694
01:42:35,679 --> 01:42:38,480
loads and making sure they're they're

2695
01:42:38,480 --> 01:42:39,600
leveled as much.

2696
01:42:39,600 --> 01:42:40,800
>> And that's that's kind of what I'm

2697
01:42:40,800 --> 01:42:41,440
saying is

2698
01:42:41,440 --> 01:42:47,280
>> I don't do that. I just I'm I'm willing to look at

2699
01:42:47,280 --> 01:42:48,719
whatever needs to be done to make sure

2700
01:42:48,719 --> 01:42:50,960
the city runs as well as we can.

2701
01:42:50,960 --> 01:42:52,719
>> Of course. Yep. And as we get to those

2702
01:42:52,719 --> 01:42:55,360
needs, if I know your guys' skill sets,

2703
01:42:55,360 --> 01:42:57,360
I'll I'll pull on this for sure. Thank

2704
01:42:57,360 --> 01:43:00,560
you. Um as for legal, no update there.

2705
01:43:00,560 --> 01:43:02,960
So, Council Member Hutchings, Water.

2706
01:43:02,960 --> 01:43:05,840
>> So, uh we did not meet with Mount Nebo

2707
01:43:05,840 --> 01:43:07,520
and they had actually canceled Zumba,

2708
01:43:07,520 --> 01:43:09,600
but they decided there was things that

2709
01:43:09,600 --> 01:43:14,080
we actually had to get through. So they put a a virtual meeting together.

2710
01:43:14,080 --> 01:43:17,679
Um and just for everybody's

2711
01:43:17,679 --> 01:43:21,040
thought, we we they voted on our our

2712
01:43:21,040 --> 01:43:23,440
contributions to SUVA. Um basically

2713
01:43:23,440 --> 01:43:25,119
we're if I remember right, I was going

2714
01:43:25,119 --> 01:43:27,679
to bring it, but didn't have time to go

2715
01:43:27,679 --> 01:43:30,880
home. Um I believe we're about 1.25%.

2716
01:43:30,880 --> 01:43:32,880
Um and we've stayed there. It's it's

2717
01:43:32,880 --> 01:43:34,480
exactly the same that it was last year.

2718
01:43:34,480 --> 01:43:38,400
I checked that. Um, but they're looking

2719
01:43:38,400 --> 01:43:40,000
and and we've talked about it before,

2720
01:43:40,000 --> 01:43:42,159
but now it's getting a little bit more

2721
01:43:42,159 --> 01:43:48,480
serious um at dissolving SUMA

2722
01:43:48,480 --> 01:43:52,480
um and rolling those possibly rolling

2723
01:43:52,480 --> 01:43:55,040
this the stuff that Suma does into Mount

2724
01:43:55,040 --> 01:43:57,600
Nebo and Central.

2725
01:43:57,600 --> 01:43:59,760
There are a few

2726
01:43:59,760 --> 01:44:01,199
things that they have to look at. So,

2727
01:44:01,199 --> 01:44:02,320
they're going to be relying on the

2728
01:44:02,320 --> 01:44:03,760
technical committee, which Ted is on

2729
01:44:03,760 --> 01:44:05,840
that technical committee. Um, so they're

2730
01:44:05,840 --> 01:44:07,600
going to be pulling that in our next

2731
01:44:07,600 --> 01:44:09,600
meeting and and officially setting that

2732
01:44:09,600 --> 01:44:11,920
up to to have the technical committee

2733
01:44:11,920 --> 01:44:15,360
start working on can we still cover

2734
01:44:15,360 --> 01:44:18,719
everything in Sumba

2735
01:44:18,719 --> 01:44:22,480
through Mount Nebo. Um, and the the

2736
01:44:22,480 --> 01:44:24,080
outlier is Springville. Springville is

2737
01:44:24,080 --> 01:44:27,040
not in Mount Nebo. Um and then there are

2738
01:44:27,040 --> 01:44:30,480
some you know selling of water is one of

2739
01:44:30,480 --> 01:44:32,800
the reasons we we've got suma is selling

2740
01:44:32,800 --> 01:44:35,280
those water shares to each other

2741
01:44:35,280 --> 01:44:36,960
basically trading not making money on

2742
01:44:36,960 --> 01:44:38,800
them. Nobody's making money on them but

2743
01:44:38,800 --> 01:44:41,199
being able to to do that and we needed a

2744
01:44:41,199 --> 01:44:42,880
legal way to do that and central is

2745
01:44:42,880 --> 01:44:45,119
happy to help work with us on that is

2746
01:44:45,119 --> 01:44:46,960
one of the things that we talked about.

2747
01:44:46,960 --> 01:44:50,239
Um also I I've given Charlene's

2748
01:44:50,239 --> 01:44:54,080
information to them. They're they're

2749
01:44:54,080 --> 01:44:57,040
now getting through the year end stuff

2750
01:44:57,040 --> 01:44:59,679
and they're looking to to take that load

2751
01:44:59,679 --> 01:45:02,639
off of off of uh Sanquin who who helped

2752
01:45:02,639 --> 01:45:03,679
us out.

2753
01:45:03,679 --> 01:45:07,280
>> Um so uh I' I've given her information

2754
01:45:07,280 --> 01:45:08,960
and and Spanish force given some

2755
01:45:08,960 --> 01:45:12,080
information as well on we're we're

2756
01:45:12,080 --> 01:45:14,239
looking for a new new person to take

2757
01:45:14,239 --> 01:45:16,719
over finance because our current one is

2758
01:45:16,719 --> 01:45:20,080
retired and and we have to have to get

2759
01:45:20,080 --> 01:45:21,679
something new. So I told them and they

2760
01:45:21,679 --> 01:45:23,040
were interested with Charlene.

2761
01:45:23,040 --> 01:45:24,639
Charlene's interested. I've spoken with

2762
01:45:24,639 --> 01:45:27,520
her. So those are my updates. Oh,

2763
01:45:27,520 --> 01:45:29,760
planning commission. We've got a meeting

2764
01:45:29,760 --> 01:45:32,080
coming up. I think I missed our last

2765
01:45:32,080 --> 01:45:37,360
meeting. Um but uh I don't I don't have

2766
01:45:37,360 --> 01:45:43,350
anything beyond what what Wayne has

2767
01:45:43,360 --> 01:45:46,000
» um associations.

2768
01:45:46,000 --> 01:45:48,960
Okay. So I'm going to these every couple

2769
01:45:48,960 --> 01:45:50,400
of weeks.

2770
01:45:50,400 --> 01:45:52,639
What does the council, what does the

2771
01:45:52,639 --> 01:45:54,960
public care to hear? Like

2772
01:45:54,960 --> 01:45:57,600
>> any shifts or changes or concerns that

2773
01:45:57,600 --> 01:45:59,840
they're having for relationships with

2774
01:45:59,840 --> 01:46:03,600
cities? Um, anything like that is kind

2775
01:46:03,600 --> 01:46:04,560
of my thought on

2776
01:46:04,560 --> 01:46:07,760
>> trends that would affect this.

2777
01:46:07,760 --> 01:46:10,080
>> Yeah. Housing shortages, trying to get

2778
01:46:10,080 --> 01:46:12,880
more state versus city control. That's

2779
01:46:12,880 --> 01:46:15,360
kind of what the the push is for

2780
01:46:15,360 --> 01:46:19,360
constantly. So are they so these two

2781
01:46:19,360 --> 01:46:22,320
organizations are pushing they're one of

2782
01:46:22,320 --> 01:46:25,119
the big ones pushing for the state to

2783
01:46:25,119 --> 01:46:25,520
>> zoning

2784
01:46:25,520 --> 01:46:28,080
>> take everything away from us correct

2785
01:46:28,080 --> 01:46:30,800
>> and are you to sit there and push

2786
01:46:30,800 --> 01:46:33,119
against them

2787
01:46:33,119 --> 01:46:36,639
both sides fully that way but it's it's

2788
01:46:36,639 --> 01:46:38,800
more committee meetings I I serve on the

2789
01:46:38,800 --> 01:46:40,960
government affairs side which is totally

2790
01:46:40,960 --> 01:46:44,239
appropriate so um Salem actually has

2791
01:46:44,239 --> 01:46:46,639
representation there vineyard

2792
01:46:46,639 --> 01:46:48,960
Um so yeah there are a lot of cities

2793
01:46:48,960 --> 01:46:50,960
that are there saying hey this is what

2794
01:46:50,960 --> 01:46:53,040
we can do. What I feel there's more an

2795
01:46:53,040 --> 01:46:55,920
air of during those is uh collaboration

2796
01:46:55,920 --> 01:46:58,560
and hey this is why we do what we do.

2797
01:46:58,560 --> 01:47:00,960
This is what our threats are and so we

2798
01:47:00,960 --> 01:47:02,960
kind of come to the point during those

2799
01:47:02,960 --> 01:47:06,639
meetings of hey this isn't a problem we

2800
01:47:06,639 --> 01:47:08,080
need to worry about putting our time

2801
01:47:08,080 --> 01:47:09,360
into.

2802
01:47:09,360 --> 01:47:11,119
>> If you ever perceive or hear anything

2803
01:47:11,119 --> 01:47:12,880
there you're like that's a really good

2804
01:47:12,880 --> 01:47:14,320
idea and it's different than what we're

2805
01:47:14,320 --> 01:47:15,600
doing.

2806
01:47:15,600 --> 01:47:17,760
let us know. And that can be, you know,

2807
01:47:17,760 --> 01:47:20,320
on the staff side or that can be in this

2808
01:47:20,320 --> 01:47:21,600
meeting, whichever works.

2809
01:47:21,600 --> 01:47:23,040
>> It's kind of similar what Carrie does

2810
01:47:23,040 --> 01:47:25,440
with the legislator. She keeps an eye on

2811
01:47:25,440 --> 01:47:27,920
things and whispers ideas in people's

2812
01:47:27,920 --> 01:47:29,840
ears and tries to get things started

2813
01:47:29,840 --> 01:47:30,400
when

2814
01:47:30,400 --> 01:47:30,800
>> Yeah.

2815
01:47:30,800 --> 01:47:33,280
>> to protect small communities.

2816
01:47:33,280 --> 01:47:35,600
>> Yeah. No, that makes sense. So, I'll

2817
01:47:35,600 --> 01:47:39,520
report accordingly, but but nothing meaningful. I mean, I think the

2818
01:47:39,520 --> 01:47:41,840
biggest topics of all continue to be

2819
01:47:41,840 --> 01:47:45,360
housing shortages and affordability and

2820
01:47:45,360 --> 01:47:47,040
so there's just a lot of pushes from

2821
01:47:47,040 --> 01:47:50,400
every angle to get um more housing and

2822
01:47:50,400 --> 01:47:51,679
more affordable housing.

2823
01:47:51,679 --> 01:47:53,280
>> Are they pushing then for higher

2824
01:47:53,280 --> 01:47:55,679
density? You say affordable.

2825
01:47:55,679 --> 01:47:56,000
>> Yeah.

2826
01:47:56,000 --> 01:47:59,760
>> Uh yeah, I mean that that's definitely one of the pieces

2827
01:47:59,760 --> 01:48:02,639
because if you look at development land

2828
01:48:02,639 --> 01:48:08,159
is by by far the largest percent cost of

2829
01:48:08,159 --> 01:48:09,920
So,

2830
01:48:09,920 --> 01:48:14,239
of a new home. Um, and land sellers are

2831
01:48:14,239 --> 01:48:15,600
getting what they want out of it. They

2832
01:48:15,600 --> 01:48:18,560
can still keep doing it. But, uh, I I

2833
01:48:18,560 --> 01:48:20,480
think that, you know, there are a couple

2834
01:48:20,480 --> 01:48:23,280
cities where permit fees, impact fees,

2835
01:48:23,280 --> 01:48:25,280
those are all being evaluated constantly

2836
01:48:25,280 --> 01:48:27,360
by the state, which is which is good

2837
01:48:27,360 --> 01:48:28,480
because there are some cities

2838
01:48:28,480 --> 01:48:30,000
>> you have to go through that. And that's

2839
01:48:30,000 --> 01:48:31,440
when a lot of times builders will say,

2840
01:48:31,440 --> 01:48:33,360
"Well, this city has such high impact

2841
01:48:33,360 --> 01:48:35,679
fees, but by law, we have to go through

2842
01:48:35,679 --> 01:48:37,600
that process and we can't charge more

2843
01:48:37,600 --> 01:48:42,320
than than um we need." And so although

2844
01:48:42,320 --> 01:48:44,800
it it's different for each city, it does

2845
01:48:44,800 --> 01:48:46,880
go through the process. One of the

2846
01:48:46,880 --> 01:48:48,719
things that I think is interesting is

2847
01:48:48,719 --> 01:48:51,520
that they say they want um that there's

2848
01:48:51,520 --> 01:48:52,880
a housing shortage and they want more

2849
01:48:52,880 --> 01:48:54,159
affordable housing, but they're not

2850
01:48:54,159 --> 01:48:55,040
building that.

2851
01:48:55,040 --> 01:48:55,920
>> That's not what they're building, no

2852
01:48:55,920 --> 01:48:58,639
matter what the lot size is. the um a

2853
01:48:58,639 --> 01:49:01,600
study just came out. Utah has the second

2854
01:49:01,600 --> 01:49:04,239
um largest homes in the nation.

2855
01:49:04,239 --> 01:49:06,639
Wyoming's first and we're second. And

2856
01:49:06,639 --> 01:49:09,760
so, um, is there really a demand for

2857
01:49:09,760 --> 01:49:13,360
that or is it just that, oh, we want the

2858
01:49:13,360 --> 01:49:15,360
high density or we want these large

2859
01:49:15,360 --> 01:49:17,840
homes and there's no middle ground. That

2860
01:49:17,840 --> 01:49:19,920
missing middle is what really what we

2861
01:49:19,920 --> 01:49:22,400
talk about a lot at the league meetings

2862
01:49:22,400 --> 01:49:25,600
and um if are are developers willing to

2863
01:49:25,600 --> 01:49:28,239
look at that missing middle?

2864
01:49:28,239 --> 01:49:30,000
>> Yeah. Yeah. Developers absolutely are.

2865
01:49:30,000 --> 01:49:33,280
In fact, as a developer, I prefer

2866
01:49:33,280 --> 01:49:35,679
the more affordable. I prefer smaller,

2867
01:49:35,679 --> 01:49:38,000
more volume because that's it's it's the

2868
01:49:38,000 --> 01:49:41,600
Walmart philosophy. I want to build more

2869
01:49:41,600 --> 01:49:44,560
um less cost rather than huge. Now there

2870
01:49:44,560 --> 01:49:46,080
are the customs that want to do the big

2871
01:49:46,080 --> 01:49:49,119
huge stuff, but most of the production

2872
01:49:49,119 --> 01:49:51,280
builders, the Dr. Horts, the Lenards,

2873
01:49:51,280 --> 01:49:54,560
the David Weeklys, um those are all

2874
01:49:54,560 --> 01:49:56,159
looking at the same format. If they can

2875
01:49:56,159 --> 01:49:58,400
get density, they will take that all day

2876
01:49:58,400 --> 01:50:00,880
long. That density is what provides them

2877
01:50:00,880 --> 01:50:03,440
the affordability. Because again, if I

2878
01:50:03,440 --> 01:50:07,520
buy um an acre for 500,000

2879
01:50:07,520 --> 01:50:10,880
and I can only put two houses on that,

2880
01:50:10,880 --> 01:50:13,360
then it's a very different cost analysis

2881
01:50:13,360 --> 01:50:15,920
than if I can put six to eight on it,

2882
01:50:15,920 --> 01:50:18,400
same acre, right? And so I can't absorb

2883
01:50:18,400 --> 01:50:21,040
that same 500,000 across six to eight,

2884
01:50:21,040 --> 01:50:23,280
I'm now absorbing that across

2885
01:50:23,280 --> 01:50:24,880
>> one or two.

2886
01:50:24,880 --> 01:50:28,560
>> So, so, so there's two sides of it. And I understand that a lot of that

2887
01:50:28,560 --> 01:50:31,040
comes from, hey, we we want to protect

2888
01:50:31,040 --> 01:50:32,800
our density. We want to protect our open

2889
01:50:32,800 --> 01:50:34,800
space. It's how do we do that

2890
01:50:34,800 --> 01:50:36,080
strategically? And we're going to be

2891
01:50:36,080 --> 01:50:38,400
having a lot of those discussions as

2892
01:50:38,400 --> 01:50:40,080
more and more eyeballs hit this

2893
01:50:40,080 --> 01:50:42,800
flatlands down at the the base where

2894
01:50:42,800 --> 01:50:44,000
we're going to have to be ready to say,

2895
01:50:44,000 --> 01:50:46,080
"No, this isn't functional for our

2896
01:50:46,080 --> 01:50:46,400
city."

2897
01:50:46,400 --> 01:50:47,920
>> And that's one thing that I hear from

2898
01:50:47,920 --> 01:50:49,360
legislators. Oh, you're from Woodland

2899
01:50:49,360 --> 01:50:52,159
Hills. um you're not even trying to help

2900
01:50:52,159 --> 01:50:55,119
with this problem because your zoning

2901
01:50:55,119 --> 01:50:58,480
remains large lots and that's one of the

2902
01:50:58,480 --> 01:51:00,560
things that then the developers will

2903
01:51:00,560 --> 01:51:03,520
keep pushing for statewide zoning so

2904
01:51:03,520 --> 01:51:05,440
that we would have no control over what

2905
01:51:05,440 --> 01:51:06,800
our lot sizes are.

2906
01:51:06,800 --> 01:51:08,320
>> Guess we better get them all built first

2907
01:51:08,320 --> 01:51:10,159
and then

2908
01:51:10,159 --> 01:51:11,360
>> out of room.

2909
01:51:11,360 --> 01:51:12,480
>> Yeah. Out of land.

2910
01:51:12,480 --> 01:51:14,560
>> Out of land. Well, even if they did

2911
01:51:14,560 --> 01:51:17,440
that, if somebody has has an acre and

2912
01:51:17,440 --> 01:51:19,600
they've built on one side of their acre,

2913
01:51:19,600 --> 01:51:21,440
then they would be able to subdivide and

2914
01:51:21,440 --> 01:51:23,840
build on the other half with this new

2915
01:51:23,840 --> 01:51:26,159
law if it came to be. So,

2916
01:51:26,159 --> 01:51:27,520
>> a lot more subdivisions,

2917
01:51:27,520 --> 01:51:28,880
>> everybody in the middle.

2918
01:51:28,880 --> 01:51:31,040
>> Yeah. Yeah. And and so it's a balance,

2919
01:51:31,040 --> 01:51:33,199
but it's a constant conversation. And

2920
01:51:33,199 --> 01:51:35,520
so, again, we we just want to be

2921
01:51:35,520 --> 01:51:37,360
prepared because if we know what we're

2922
01:51:37,360 --> 01:51:38,719
up against, we'll be able to prepare

2923
01:51:38,719 --> 01:51:40,239
what's best for the city. If we're not,

2924
01:51:40,239 --> 01:51:41,520
we're going to get blindsided by

2925
01:51:41,520 --> 01:51:44,320
somebody sneaks in and tells us what

2926
01:51:44,320 --> 01:51:45,920
today or

2927
01:51:45,920 --> 01:51:47,360
>> Yeah.

2928
01:51:47,360 --> 01:51:50,960
>> Okay. Thank you. Uh council.

2929
01:51:50,960 --> 01:51:53,679
>> Um I haven't met with the finance

2930
01:51:53,679 --> 01:51:56,639
committee or PTR, so I don't have

2931
01:51:56,639 --> 01:52:00,239
anything there. Uh just events. Um we

2932
01:52:00,239 --> 01:52:02,960
got Woodland Hills Days coming up. It's

2933
01:52:02,960 --> 01:52:04,800
always something. I think we're doing

2934
01:52:04,800 --> 01:52:06,880
pretty good. There's a lot of us, so

2935
01:52:06,880 --> 01:52:10,719
it's really nice. Um Dan and I are

2936
01:52:10,719 --> 01:52:13,280
working on that together. And then we

2937
01:52:13,280 --> 01:52:16,560
have four committee chair people that

2938
01:52:16,560 --> 01:52:18,320
are splitting it and then they all have

2939
01:52:18,320 --> 01:52:20,000
their people that are helping with

2940
01:52:20,000 --> 01:52:22,480
everything. So I think it's good.

2941
01:52:22,480 --> 01:52:24,080
>> It's nice to see that there's more

2942
01:52:24,080 --> 01:52:25,119
people involved.

2943
01:52:25,119 --> 01:52:25,599
>> Yeah.

2944
01:52:25,599 --> 01:52:29,119
And I um Tim and Hillary, you

2945
01:52:29,119 --> 01:52:31,119
know, Hillary's trying to level a few

2946
01:52:31,119 --> 01:52:33,599
things up and make it nicer and she's

2947
01:52:33,599 --> 01:52:36,400
kind of taking taking it by the horns,

2948
01:52:36,400 --> 01:52:39,360
so to speak, and I like that. And um and

2949
01:52:39,360 --> 01:52:42,880
so yeah, it's good. Um, we had an idea

2950
01:52:42,880 --> 01:52:46,560
presented and I texted it around and I'm

2951
01:52:46,560 --> 01:52:48,159
going to bring it up here because I want

2952
01:52:48,159 --> 01:52:49,040
Brian to have

2953
01:52:49,040 --> 01:52:50,960
>> kill me.

2954
01:52:50,960 --> 01:52:52,800
>> I haven't told anybody yet. I was

2955
01:52:52,800 --> 01:52:53,599
asking.

2956
01:52:53,599 --> 01:52:56,639
>> Well, there was an idea and the the

2957
01:52:56,639 --> 01:52:59,440
problem with the idea was the in the

2958
01:52:59,440 --> 01:53:00,800
drought year people are worried about

2959
01:53:00,800 --> 01:53:02,880
the water usage and how that would

2960
01:53:02,880 --> 01:53:05,440
appear.

2961
01:53:05,440 --> 01:53:07,199
So, there were some alternative ideas

2962
01:53:07,199 --> 01:53:08,000
presented.

2963
01:53:08,000 --> 01:53:09,840
>> Okay.

2964
01:53:09,840 --> 01:53:12,320
um that we could talk about, but um

2965
01:53:12,320 --> 01:53:14,880
yeah,

2966
01:53:14,880 --> 01:53:16,480
it the thought was maybe a rubber ducky

2967
01:53:16,480 --> 01:53:18,239
derby of some description, which would

2968
01:53:18,239 --> 01:53:19,599
be so fun.

2969
01:53:19,599 --> 01:53:21,520
>> Salem does something like that.

2970
01:53:21,520 --> 01:53:22,960
>> Yeah, but Salem's got

2971
01:53:22,960 --> 01:53:23,840
>> the bond.

2972
01:53:23,840 --> 01:53:27,760
>> I I get all of it. I saw something

2973
01:53:27,760 --> 01:53:30,719
>> so freaking

2974
01:53:30,719 --> 01:53:37,199
>> I saw something that was I thought was a good something we could do.

2975
01:53:37,199 --> 01:53:40,320
>> But if people are are against it, then

2976
01:53:40,320 --> 01:53:41,599
>> they're not against it. They're just

2977
01:53:41,599 --> 01:53:44,960
worried about how it would look during a

2978
01:53:44,960 --> 01:53:48,320
high drought water shortage year. There

2979
01:53:48,320 --> 01:53:49,199
was there was

2980
01:53:49,199 --> 01:53:50,719
>> it's not a massive amount of water. I

2981
01:53:50,719 --> 01:53:53,679
mean, we're a few hundred gallons.

2982
01:53:53,679 --> 01:53:57,679
>> I know. Um, somebody suggested maybe uh

2983
01:53:57,679 --> 01:54:00,080
like a a bouncy ball one though, like

2984
01:54:00,080 --> 01:54:01,280
with bouncy balls.

2985
01:54:01,280 --> 01:54:02,639
>> I mean, anything anything works. I just

2986
01:54:02,639 --> 01:54:05,119
saw like, hey, we can actually do that.

2987
01:54:05,119 --> 01:54:09,270
Everybody does those around here.

2988
01:54:09,280 --> 01:54:12,880
» No to fire hose. Just dump water out of

2989
01:54:12,880 --> 01:54:14,000
it back.

2990
01:54:14,000 --> 01:54:15,440
>> You set them all up and then you dump

2991
01:54:15,440 --> 01:54:16,000
them

2992
01:54:16,000 --> 01:54:18,239
>> and then you set it out and see

2993
01:54:18,239 --> 01:54:20,320
>> have a water. It would be so fun. I

2994
01:54:20,320 --> 01:54:21,840
think it would be really fun. Um, and

2995
01:54:21,840 --> 01:54:23,760
the thought and I it was my thought that

2996
01:54:23,760 --> 01:54:25,360
maybe that could be like a fundraiser or

2997
01:54:25,360 --> 01:54:28,320
something for the fire department. Uh,

2998
01:54:28,320 --> 01:54:29,840
but

2999
01:54:29,840 --> 01:54:33,040
maybe not this year, but I I think it

3000
01:54:33,040 --> 01:54:34,719
could be a good idea for next year if

3001
01:54:34,719 --> 01:54:37,679
it's if we have a little more water. Um,

3002
01:54:37,679 --> 01:54:39,440
and I yeah, I don't really have any

3003
01:54:39,440 --> 01:54:41,679
concerns there. Um, we do need to get

3004
01:54:41,679 --> 01:54:44,320
some more advertising going. I think

3005
01:54:44,320 --> 01:54:45,920
we're all feeling a little stretched,

3006
01:54:45,920 --> 01:54:46,880
but

3007
01:54:46,880 --> 01:54:48,800
>> but we're still getting it all done.

3008
01:54:48,800 --> 01:54:51,599
>> So, advertisements. All advertisements

3009
01:54:51,599 --> 01:54:52,800
going forward are going to be specific

3010
01:54:52,800 --> 01:54:55,040
to specific elements of it. So, we'll

3011
01:54:55,040 --> 01:54:56,719
have something specific for car shows,

3012
01:54:56,719 --> 01:54:58,719
something specific for rather than just

3013
01:54:58,719 --> 01:55:01,199
generic over and over and over. Uh we do

3014
01:55:01,199 --> 01:55:02,719
want to draw focus towards specific

3015
01:55:02,719 --> 01:55:04,719
things that we do up there that might

3016
01:55:04,719 --> 01:55:06,320
draw maybe somebody will come up

3017
01:55:06,320 --> 01:55:09,760
specifically for the the marketplace

3018
01:55:09,760 --> 01:55:11,599
like you know the craft shop stuff. Some

3019
01:55:11,599 --> 01:55:13,840
might come up specifically for the uh

3020
01:55:13,840 --> 01:55:17,360
the car show. just something to

3021
01:55:17,360 --> 01:55:19,280
hopefully draw just enough interest from

3022
01:55:19,280 --> 01:55:20,639
somebody to come up and then experience

3023
01:55:20,639 --> 01:55:21,840
everything else. So, I think that would

3024
01:55:21,840 --> 01:55:24,400
be ideal. Um, and we don't want to

3025
01:55:24,400 --> 01:55:28,000
overburden the city pages, but it's our

3026
01:55:28,000 --> 01:55:29,920
big event, so you're going to probably

3027
01:55:29,920 --> 01:55:31,840
as we roll up to it, it'll get more and

3028
01:55:31,840 --> 01:55:32,480
more.

3029
01:55:32,480 --> 01:55:33,840
>> Um, let's hit it hard.

3030
01:55:33,840 --> 01:55:36,480
>> Yeah. The the one the one thing that I

3031
01:55:36,480 --> 01:55:37,679
think we should probably bring up at

3032
01:55:37,679 --> 01:55:38,960
some point, we've been a small

3033
01:55:38,960 --> 01:55:40,159
community, still are a very small

3034
01:55:40,159 --> 01:55:41,599
community, and we've always offered the

3035
01:55:41,599 --> 01:55:44,239
hot dogs for free. We're starting to see

3036
01:55:44,239 --> 01:55:46,960
in some of our events more and more uh

3037
01:55:46,960 --> 01:55:49,280
people are bringing up their families

3038
01:55:49,280 --> 01:55:53,119
and their grandkids and you know it's be the family of seven that used to

3039
01:55:53,119 --> 01:55:54,400
come or the family of six that used to

3040
01:55:54,400 --> 01:55:58,320
come is now larger. Um Hillary

3041
01:55:58,320 --> 01:56:01,440
specifically is trying to get um more

3042
01:56:01,440 --> 01:56:02,960
marketplace people to bring up and

3043
01:56:02,960 --> 01:56:06,239
hopefully draw additional nonwen Hills

3044
01:56:06,239 --> 01:56:09,520
residents to the Wen Hills event. Um, at

3045
01:56:09,520 --> 01:56:10,719
some point I think we're gonna have to

3046
01:56:10,719 --> 01:56:12,080
look at whether we're going to continue

3047
01:56:12,080 --> 01:56:13,599
to offer free dinner.

3048
01:56:13,599 --> 01:56:14,880
>> We started charging last year,

3049
01:56:14,880 --> 01:56:16,400
>> right? But I I'm not sure how we're

3050
01:56:16,400 --> 01:56:17,199
executing.

3051
01:56:17,199 --> 01:56:18,480
>> It was by um

3052
01:56:18,480 --> 01:56:19,280
>> donation.

3053
01:56:19,280 --> 01:56:20,880
>> It was honor on your

3054
01:56:20,880 --> 01:56:23,199
>> honor system. Okay. I had my sister and

3055
01:56:23,199 --> 01:56:24,480
I paid for her.

3056
01:56:24,480 --> 01:56:26,159
>> Wait, what did we charge? Five bucks.

3057
01:56:26,159 --> 01:56:27,360
>> Five bucks a meal.

3058
01:56:27,360 --> 01:56:27,840
>> All right.

3059
01:56:27,840 --> 01:56:28,880
>> And I thought it worked

3060
01:56:28,880 --> 01:56:29,520
>> out. Okay.

3061
01:56:29,520 --> 01:56:31,360
>> I thought it worked good. We raised I

3062
01:56:31,360 --> 01:56:32,800
mean we didn't raise a ton, but we

3063
01:56:32,800 --> 01:56:35,040
raised I want to say three or $400.

3064
01:56:35,040 --> 01:56:37,119
>> It was just Venmo, right? Or who was it?

3065
01:56:37,119 --> 01:56:39,360
Venmo and I had a sign and I could we

3066
01:56:39,360 --> 01:56:41,440
could make a we could make a better sign

3067
01:56:41,440 --> 01:56:42,800
so that it's a little more prominent

3068
01:56:42,800 --> 01:56:44,560
because it was just in one of those

3069
01:56:44,560 --> 01:56:45,360
paper

3070
01:56:45,360 --> 01:56:46,400
>> right

3071
01:56:46,400 --> 01:56:47,760
>> I was thinking also put it because the

3072
01:56:47,760 --> 01:56:49,280
line gets really long maybe put it at

3073
01:56:49,280 --> 01:56:51,280
the back so people when they first get

3074
01:56:51,280 --> 01:56:53,440
in line they can just scan it right then

3075
01:56:53,440 --> 01:56:54,400
instead of waiting till

3076
01:56:54,400 --> 01:56:55,679
>> or have it two or three times.

3077
01:56:55,679 --> 01:56:58,159
>> Yeah instead of just waiting at the end.

3078
01:56:58,159 --> 01:56:59,840
>> Yeah. So anyway, I was just thinking

3079
01:56:59,840 --> 01:57:01,199
about that. I mean I I don't really care

3080
01:57:01,199 --> 01:57:03,199
about it being a money razor. I just

3081
01:57:03,199 --> 01:57:04,560
want to make sure that as as we start to

3082
01:57:04,560 --> 01:57:06,159
get more demand that

3083
01:57:06,159 --> 01:57:07,440
>> that they're that we're not

3084
01:57:07,440 --> 01:57:08,320
>> it's not a burden.

3085
01:57:08,320 --> 01:57:09,920
>> Yeah. Well, we're not just feeding a

3086
01:57:09,920 --> 01:57:11,280
bunch of randos who come up for free

3087
01:57:11,280 --> 01:57:12,560
dinner and don't really want to

3088
01:57:12,560 --> 01:57:13,599
participate in the city. They're just

3089
01:57:13,599 --> 01:57:15,040
looking for a free dinner.

3090
01:57:15,040 --> 01:57:15,840
>> Um

3091
01:57:15,840 --> 01:57:17,040
>> especially Jay dogs.

3092
01:57:17,040 --> 01:57:18,159
>> Yeah. Yeah. Exactly.

3093
01:57:18,159 --> 01:57:18,960
>> J, right?

3094
01:57:18,960 --> 01:57:21,360
>> But you know, so anyway, just just food

3095
01:57:21,360 --> 01:57:23,360
for thought um of how to execute

3096
01:57:23,360 --> 01:57:26,239
something like that a little bit. Um, so

3097
01:57:26,239 --> 01:57:29,360
>> I have one other thing just um where if

3098
01:57:29,360 --> 01:57:30,880
we're going to do the pavers and want

3099
01:57:30,880 --> 01:57:32,639
maybe want people to sign up and have a

3100
01:57:32,639 --> 01:57:34,880
booth at Woodland Hills Days, maybe we

3101
01:57:34,880 --> 01:57:36,639
could have more at the booth like maybe

3102
01:57:36,639 --> 01:57:38,639
it could be I was thinking maybe kind of

3103
01:57:38,639 --> 01:57:41,280
a city booth where you could have that

3104
01:57:41,280 --> 01:57:43,599
but maybe have some other things like

3105
01:57:43,599 --> 01:57:45,360
maybe just some information about what's

3106
01:57:45,360 --> 01:57:46,719
going on in the community because people

3107
01:57:46,719 --> 01:57:48,080
always say they don't know what's going

3108
01:57:48,080 --> 01:57:52,560
on and maybe the mayor could be at or

3109
01:57:52,560 --> 01:57:54,320
around the booth to answer questions.

3110
01:57:54,320 --> 01:57:56,159
if people question

3111
01:57:56,159 --> 01:57:58,080
>> a mayor dump tank ask a question throw a

3112
01:57:58,080 --> 01:58:00,639
ball

3113
01:58:00,639 --> 01:58:01,599
>> I'm just saying

3114
01:58:01,599 --> 01:58:02,719
>> be a good idea

3115
01:58:02,719 --> 01:58:04,080
>> maybe just to have

3116
01:58:04,080 --> 01:58:05,599
>> 100 degrees I'm

3117
01:58:05,599 --> 01:58:07,760
>> just to maybe just to give people the

3118
01:58:07,760 --> 01:58:10,639
opportunity to find out oh you know we

3119
01:58:10,639 --> 01:58:11,920
have all these things we have a

3120
01:58:11,920 --> 01:58:14,320
newsletter and we have the messages that

3121
01:58:14,320 --> 01:58:16,400
go out and we have all the things and

3122
01:58:16,400 --> 01:58:17,840
still people say they don't know what's

3123
01:58:17,840 --> 01:58:18,560
going on

3124
01:58:18,560 --> 01:58:21,760
>> yeah have a have a QR code that goes to

3125
01:58:21,760 --> 01:58:24,320
the city web page in the community web

3126
01:58:24,320 --> 01:58:24,800
page,

3127
01:58:24,800 --> 01:58:26,239
>> some kind of like littleformational

3128
01:58:26,239 --> 01:58:28,719
booth, but then also have the papers for

3129
01:58:28,719 --> 01:58:29,440
the

3130
01:58:29,440 --> 01:58:31,119
>> I just thought maybe a city booth would

3131
01:58:31,119 --> 01:58:31,840
be a good idea.

3132
01:58:31,840 --> 01:58:33,520
>> It's not a bad idea.

3133
01:58:33,520 --> 01:58:35,360
>> I love the idea of getting people over

3134
01:58:35,360 --> 01:58:36,320
there

3135
01:58:36,320 --> 01:58:38,320
>> by having the dunk take for the mayor

3136
01:58:38,320 --> 01:58:42,790
would be excit

3137
01:58:42,800 --> 01:58:43,920
» we're just going to have one person in

3138
01:58:43,920 --> 01:58:44,320
there.

3139
01:58:44,320 --> 01:58:46,080
>> You have to ask a question to

3140
01:58:46,080 --> 01:58:47,920
>> You have to ask a question and then you

3141
01:58:47,920 --> 01:58:50,800
get to have a throw.

3142
01:58:50,800 --> 01:58:53,520
No, no, no.

3143
01:58:53,520 --> 01:58:55,599
>> I'll be busy cooking Jay Dos.

3144
01:58:55,599 --> 01:58:58,000
>> Um,

3145
01:58:58,000 --> 01:58:59,440
>> standing behind him watching him doing,

3146
01:58:59,440 --> 01:59:01,360
"Hey, are you guys doing good?" I do, I

3147
01:59:01,360 --> 01:59:03,360
do have one thing to bring up u that I

3148
01:59:03,360 --> 01:59:05,599
don't know if just you and I, but um

3149
01:59:05,599 --> 01:59:09,520
it's the is it the United Way uh like

3150
01:59:09,520 --> 01:59:11,199
the week of service day of service this

3151
01:59:11,199 --> 01:59:11,920
week

3152
01:59:11,920 --> 01:59:13,760
>> on the on September 10th.

3153
01:59:13,760 --> 01:59:15,119
>> On the 10th. Okay. So, I think it's like

3154
01:59:15,119 --> 01:59:16,639
the eth 10th or whatever. Thursday.

3155
01:59:16,639 --> 01:59:19,760
>> Yeah. It's always the day before. So, um

3156
01:59:19,760 --> 01:59:23,199
>> I did have a youth group ask if the city

3157
01:59:23,199 --> 01:59:24,800
needed help to prepare the park for

3158
01:59:24,800 --> 01:59:26,080
Woodland Hills stays as part of that

3159
01:59:26,080 --> 01:59:26,560
service.

3160
01:59:26,560 --> 01:59:27,119
>> Absolutely.

3161
01:59:27,119 --> 01:59:29,520
>> Trimming and weeding and whatever else

3162
01:59:29,520 --> 01:59:30,239
for the city.

3163
01:59:30,239 --> 01:59:33,760
>> I know planning on doing something.

3164
01:59:33,760 --> 01:59:36,320
>> Um I know our ward is trying to figure

3165
01:59:36,320 --> 01:59:39,199
out something. So,

3166
01:59:39,199 --> 01:59:41,760
>> let's try and get that coordinated. So,

3167
01:59:41,760 --> 01:59:45,119
if you could send all of those because

3168
01:59:45,119 --> 01:59:46,880
Ted has nothing to do.

3169
01:59:46,880 --> 01:59:47,280
>> Yes.

3170
01:59:47,280 --> 01:59:51,199
>> Send those to Ted and he

3171
01:59:51,199 --> 01:59:52,480
>> the day of service.

3172
01:59:52,480 --> 01:59:53,760
>> Day of service. We just have a lot of

3173
01:59:53,760 --> 01:59:56,159
youth in the in the area needing a

3174
01:59:56,159 --> 01:59:57,599
something for service and I thought they

3175
01:59:57,599 --> 02:00:00,239
might be able to help at the park

3176
02:00:00,239 --> 02:00:02,880
weeding

3177
02:00:02,880 --> 02:00:04,800
>> I've had to reach out as well.

3178
02:00:04,800 --> 02:00:06,639
>> I feel like we have somebody up there

3179
02:00:06,639 --> 02:00:08,560
doing that every year.

3180
02:00:08,560 --> 02:00:10,639
I had a call from

3181
02:00:10,639 --> 02:00:11,040
>> Yeah.

3182
02:00:11,040 --> 02:00:13,440
>> asking about some ideas.

3183
02:00:13,440 --> 02:00:15,280
>> I I gave him a bunch of ideas and then

3184
02:00:15,280 --> 02:00:18,480
referred him to Janet

3185
02:00:18,480 --> 02:00:19,760
>> Sheriff

3186
02:00:19,760 --> 02:00:22,960
>> to maybe talk to Park.

3187
02:00:22,960 --> 02:00:23,920
>> Maybe

3188
02:00:23,920 --> 02:00:26,800
>> we try and coordinate.

3189
02:00:26,800 --> 02:00:28,320
>> I think Well, I think they're all

3190
02:00:28,320 --> 02:00:29,840
looking for for it. So, we might as well

3191
02:00:29,840 --> 02:00:30,800
just get

3192
02:00:30,800 --> 02:00:32,320
>> Let's get 80 kids up there and they'll

3193
02:00:32,320 --> 02:00:34,000
make quick. Is that something we could I

3194
02:00:34,000 --> 02:00:36,239
think we asked we had parks and recck do

3195
02:00:36,239 --> 02:00:38,800
that before and kind of help coordinate

3196
02:00:38,800 --> 02:00:40,000
that. Was that

3197
02:00:40,000 --> 02:00:41,920
>> I think there's lots of good I think

3198
02:00:41,920 --> 02:00:44,560
there's lots of stuff we could

3199
02:00:44,560 --> 02:00:45,599
>> I helped coordinate.

3200
02:00:45,599 --> 02:00:47,360
>> What about at the beginning of the city

3201
02:00:47,360 --> 02:00:49,840
too like at the mailboxes in that area

3202
02:00:49,840 --> 02:00:51,760
because we're not in construction but

3203
02:00:51,760 --> 02:00:53,520
that might be a good place to clean up

3204
02:00:53,520 --> 02:00:54,880
for too for when people

3205
02:00:54,880 --> 02:00:58,480
>> delegate when they're never in the city.

3206
02:00:58,480 --> 02:01:00,080
And then mayor, just real quickly, um,

3207
02:01:00,080 --> 02:01:01,520
for Woodland Hills Days, are we going to

3208
02:01:01,520 --> 02:01:04,320
be able to have the flags available? All

3209
02:01:04,320 --> 02:01:06,639
the flags that we've put up on.

3210
02:01:06,639 --> 02:01:08,719
>> All right. I'm gonna I've got something

3211
02:01:08,719 --> 02:01:11,520
working with the flag ceremony that I

3212
02:01:11,520 --> 02:01:13,040
would like to maybe

3213
02:01:13,040 --> 02:01:16,480
>> um it also

3214
02:01:16,480 --> 02:01:19,679
>> help me think, but it is the the 25th

3215
02:01:19,679 --> 02:01:22,960
anniversary of September 11th.

3216
02:01:22,960 --> 02:01:24,960
>> Uh, it might be

3217
02:01:24,960 --> 02:01:27,599
>> we have America 250. We have the 25th

3218
02:01:27,599 --> 02:01:30,000
anniversary of 911. We have your

3219
02:01:30,000 --> 02:01:31,840
birthday. So, we could have a lot of

3220
02:01:31,840 --> 02:01:34,239
celebrations going on at the same time.

3221
02:01:34,239 --> 02:01:35,679
>> I got a birthday this year, too.

3222
02:01:35,679 --> 02:01:36,719
>> Yeah, exactly.

3223
02:01:36,719 --> 02:01:39,440
>> I just had one.

3224
02:01:39,440 --> 02:01:40,560
>> Yeah.

3225
02:01:40,560 --> 02:01:41,599
>> Okay. All right.

3226
02:01:41,599 --> 02:01:43,360
>> Just I'm just saying. So, we should make

3227
02:01:43,360 --> 02:01:45,679
it special like a moment of silence or

3228
02:01:45,679 --> 02:01:46,159
something.

3229
02:01:46,159 --> 02:01:47,760
>> Yeah. Well, the the flag ceremony

3230
02:01:47,760 --> 02:01:48,960
actually does have something to do with

3231
02:01:48,960 --> 02:01:50,800
September 11th, even though it'll be on

3232
02:01:50,800 --> 02:01:52,000
the 12th, but

3233
02:01:52,000 --> 02:01:54,080
>> we've got we've got something lined up.

3234
02:01:54,080 --> 02:01:55,920
We hopefully it turns out we're waiting

3235
02:01:55,920 --> 02:01:58,320
on two musicians to commit. It could be

3236
02:01:58,320 --> 02:01:58,960
kind of special.

3237
02:01:58,960 --> 02:02:05,430
>> Maybe we could do a moment of silence on

3238
02:02:05,440 --> 02:02:06,400
» moment.

3239
02:02:06,400 --> 02:02:06,880
>> Yes.

3240
02:02:06,880 --> 02:02:10,880
>> Um talk about a city booth. How about

3241
02:02:10,880 --> 02:02:14,000
playing a video in there for people to

3242
02:02:14,000 --> 02:02:16,880
watch and you could we can count the

3243
02:02:16,880 --> 02:02:20,000
years that uh we've been in existence

3244
02:02:20,000 --> 02:02:23,599
and and just make a little comment.

3245
02:02:23,599 --> 02:02:25,760
celebration there and play that video

3246
02:02:25,760 --> 02:02:27,199
for those who may not have seen it.

3247
02:02:27,199 --> 02:02:29,360
>> If the link's still available,

3248
02:02:29,360 --> 02:02:30,639
>> show the link.

3249
02:02:30,639 --> 02:02:31,760
>> Yeah, because it's on the city.

3250
02:02:31,760 --> 02:02:33,760
>> We just get a a star link up there to

3251
02:02:33,760 --> 02:02:35,360
stream it if we need to for from

3252
02:02:35,360 --> 02:02:40,229
YouTube. I know.

3253
02:02:40,239 --> 02:02:42,400
» Um, one other thing too that u you

3254
02:02:42,400 --> 02:02:44,800
mentioned the time of the city. One of

3255
02:02:44,800 --> 02:02:48,320
the staff shirt designs I have is the

3256
02:02:48,320 --> 02:02:50,080
year that city was incorporated and it's

3257
02:02:50,080 --> 02:02:52,239
kind of got like this cool little design

3258
02:02:52,239 --> 02:02:53,599
on it. All

3259
02:02:53,599 --> 02:02:54,080
right.

3260
02:02:54,080 --> 02:02:57,840
>> One thing at Salem days, um, they all

3261
02:02:57,840 --> 02:03:01,040
the council and the mayor had matching

3262
02:03:01,040 --> 02:03:01,599
shirts.

3263
02:03:01,599 --> 02:03:02,239
>> Yes.

3264
02:03:02,239 --> 02:03:05,040
>> So, they were easily identifiable.

3265
02:03:05,040 --> 02:03:06,800
>> Um, I think that

3266
02:03:06,800 --> 02:03:07,679
>> that be

3267
02:03:07,679 --> 02:03:09,679
>> extremely helpful for just

3268
02:03:09,679 --> 02:03:11,520
>> Should that be different than staff the

3269
02:03:11,520 --> 02:03:13,760
staff shirts of of

3270
02:03:13,760 --> 02:03:15,280
>> I think so.

3271
02:03:15,280 --> 02:03:16,560
>> Okay. Because I was I was going to have

3272
02:03:16,560 --> 02:03:17,679
the staff and like some

3273
02:03:17,679 --> 02:03:19,840
>> those are for Toby.

3274
02:03:19,840 --> 02:03:20,560
>> Maybe different

3275
02:03:20,560 --> 02:03:22,400
>> like a red for staff and then maybe for

3276
02:03:22,400 --> 02:03:23,679
a council member.

3277
02:03:23,679 --> 02:03:26,000
>> Theirs were like the freaking American

3278
02:03:26,000 --> 02:03:28,800
flag. Like they were bright.

3279
02:03:28,800 --> 02:03:30,000
>> Um t-shirt.

3280
02:03:30,000 --> 02:03:31,360
>> I was think t-shirt.

3281
02:03:31,360 --> 02:03:33,119
>> No, they were kind of like a

3282
02:03:33,119 --> 02:03:35,280
>> like Yeah, I was I think something

3283
02:03:35,280 --> 02:03:37,840
>> cut like I think Steves with that

3284
02:03:37,840 --> 02:03:39,119
>> that double

3285
02:03:39,119 --> 02:03:40,560
>> cuff on. I think that would be nice

3286
02:03:40,560 --> 02:03:42,960
because like at the America 250 there

3287
02:03:42,960 --> 02:03:44,960
were people but I didn't know like and I

3288
02:03:44,960 --> 02:03:47,920
was just talking to them and then they said, "Well, what's your name?" And

3289
02:03:47,920 --> 02:03:49,840
I told them and they were like, "Oh."

3290
02:03:49,840 --> 02:03:51,040
Because they didn't know I was city

3291
02:03:51,040 --> 02:03:52,400
council person.

3292
02:03:52,400 --> 02:03:54,239
>> I'm just saying it was a little bit like

3293
02:03:54,239 --> 02:03:56,560
>> other thing too that we we had a quite a

3294
02:03:56,560 --> 02:03:59,599
few years ago was we had um name badges

3295
02:03:59,599 --> 02:04:01,440
made that weren't just write your name

3296
02:04:01,440 --> 02:04:03,119
on a thing, but actually name badges we

3297
02:04:03,119 --> 02:04:04,960
could wear whenever we were doing public

3298
02:04:04,960 --> 02:04:06,560
events or going to some of our board

3299
02:04:06,560 --> 02:04:10,159
meetings or they were magnetic pin these

3300
02:04:10,159 --> 02:04:10,239
to

3301
02:04:10,239 --> 02:04:14,080
>> our they were magnetic. Um um and so you

3302
02:04:14,080 --> 02:04:15,440
could just put them on whatever shirt

3303
02:04:15,440 --> 02:04:17,440
you were wearing because of the magnet.

3304
02:04:17,440 --> 02:04:19,360
It wasn't pin on and they were really

3305
02:04:19,360 --> 02:04:22,080
nice badges and they said council person

3306
02:04:22,080 --> 02:04:24,320
and it had our logo on it and so we

3307
02:04:24,320 --> 02:04:25,679
could wear it so people could see our

3308
02:04:25,679 --> 02:04:27,599
name right when they were talking to us

3309
02:04:27,599 --> 02:04:29,280
and recognize who we were. So it might

3310
02:04:29,280 --> 02:04:31,520
be beneficial to get the matching shirt

3311
02:04:31,520 --> 02:04:33,280
and a new name badge.

3312
02:04:33,280 --> 02:04:35,360
>> I think that makes a lot of sense. But I

3313
02:04:35,360 --> 02:04:37,920
do like the magnetic ones because when

3314
02:04:37,920 --> 02:04:39,199
we're wearing other clothes, you don't

3315
02:04:39,199 --> 02:04:42,560
always want to put a pin through it.

3316
02:04:42,560 --> 02:04:44,800
>> Perfect. Okay. Anything else, Janet?

3317
02:04:44,800 --> 02:04:45,280
>> That's it.

3318
02:04:45,280 --> 02:04:47,840
>> Okay. Council message.

3319
02:04:47,840 --> 02:04:51,920
>> My turn. Um, we had our South Alley um

3320
02:04:51,920 --> 02:04:54,320
animal shelter meeting today. Lots lots

3321
02:04:54,320 --> 02:04:58,960
went on. Um, I did send a flyer to Janet

3322
02:04:58,960 --> 02:05:01,920
and Jody about putting um something in

3323
02:05:01,920 --> 02:05:03,280
the newsletter. They're having a big

3324
02:05:03,280 --> 02:05:07,280
event on September 24th. Um it always is

3325
02:05:07,280 --> 02:05:09,679
um a lot of people come can adopt pets,

3326
02:05:09,679 --> 02:05:12,960
etc. Um the other things that we talked

3327
02:05:12,960 --> 02:05:17,119
about was um we approved um an agreement

3328
02:05:17,119 --> 02:05:19,679
with Utah County for legal services.

3329
02:05:19,679 --> 02:05:21,280
There's been an increase in legal

3330
02:05:21,280 --> 02:05:28,320
services. Um and so we've done that and that was good. Um, also Spring Lake,

3331
02:05:28,320 --> 02:05:30,880
as you know, just incorporated um and

3332
02:05:30,880 --> 02:05:32,560
has a new mayor and council and they've

3333
02:05:32,560 --> 02:05:34,800
asked to join. So, they're going to be

3334
02:05:34,800 --> 02:05:37,599
joining soon there. And because of that,

3335
02:05:37,599 --> 02:05:40,080
then we're going to update the existing

3336
02:05:40,080 --> 02:05:41,679
interlocal agreements with all the

3337
02:05:41,679 --> 02:05:43,520
participating partners. Probably won't

3338
02:05:43,520 --> 02:05:45,199
change much, but since now we have some

3339
02:05:45,199 --> 02:05:47,119
legal counsel, they can look that over,

3340
02:05:47,119 --> 02:05:48,480
make sure everything's in compliance

3341
02:05:48,480 --> 02:05:52,000
with state law, etc. Um,

3342
02:05:52,000 --> 02:05:56,000
the other thing is, um,

3343
02:05:56,000 --> 02:05:58,480
got to look through my notes here. Um,

3344
02:05:58,480 --> 02:06:02,719
we had a 95% save rate for dogs and 87%

3345
02:06:02,719 --> 02:06:04,560
save rate for cats for the month of

3346
02:06:04,560 --> 02:06:08,159
July. Um, those that are not saved are

3347
02:06:08,159 --> 02:06:10,560
mostly those who have been injured or

3348
02:06:10,560 --> 02:06:12,960
who are really sick. If an animal comes

3349
02:06:12,960 --> 02:06:14,960
in that is aggressive and is in there

3350
02:06:14,960 --> 02:06:17,119
because they've been biting people, they

3351
02:06:17,119 --> 02:06:20,159
can't um, adopt them out. Um and so

3352
02:06:20,159 --> 02:06:23,040
there are some other issues. Um we're

3353
02:06:23,040 --> 02:06:27,360
also working on um

3354
02:06:27,360 --> 02:06:29,119
there's a big issue that's happening

3355
02:06:29,119 --> 02:06:31,280
right now and it's kind of like the

3356
02:06:31,280 --> 02:06:33,199
equivalent to human trafficking but with

3357
02:06:33,199 --> 02:06:35,360
animals from other states that are

3358
02:06:35,360 --> 02:06:37,040
coming through and Department of

3359
02:06:37,040 --> 02:06:39,199
Agriculture is supposed to be stopping

3360
02:06:39,199 --> 02:06:41,360
them at the border and they're supposed

3361
02:06:41,360 --> 02:06:42,800
to be showing the paperwork that they

3362
02:06:42,800 --> 02:06:43,920
have their shots and they have

3363
02:06:43,920 --> 02:06:45,520
everything and and it's good and they

3364
02:06:45,520 --> 02:06:47,760
can come to our state. The problem is is

3365
02:06:47,760 --> 02:06:50,239
that we don't know where they go and a

3366
02:06:50,239 --> 02:06:52,800
lot of them don't stop. And so there was

3367
02:06:52,800 --> 02:06:55,599
a big influx of of animals that came

3368
02:06:55,599 --> 02:06:58,560
from Texas after a disaster down there.

3369
02:06:58,560 --> 02:07:00,560
And it was found that they had screworm

3370
02:07:00,560 --> 02:07:02,480
and heartworm which are both

3371
02:07:02,480 --> 02:07:04,639
transferable to humans and to other

3372
02:07:04,639 --> 02:07:07,199
animals. And so the vets have seen an

3373
02:07:07,199 --> 02:07:11,119
increase in um in having to euthanize

3374
02:07:11,119 --> 02:07:14,159
some some pets. We haven't got any stats

3375
02:07:14,159 --> 02:07:16,159
on if it's been transferred to people

3376
02:07:16,159 --> 02:07:18,159
yet. Of course, we have medical things

3377
02:07:18,159 --> 02:07:20,239
that can help us get through them. And

3378
02:07:20,239 --> 02:07:22,079
the medical community might not even

3379
02:07:22,079 --> 02:07:24,159
know that it might be because of this.

3380
02:07:24,159 --> 02:07:25,280
There might there'sn't been a

3381
02:07:25,280 --> 02:07:28,159
correlation yet, but um there's no

3382
02:07:28,159 --> 02:07:30,480
accountability right now. And a lot of

3383
02:07:30,480 --> 02:07:34,079
times um the catch and release, they'll

3384
02:07:34,079 --> 02:07:36,400
they stay in neuterm but they don't

3385
02:07:36,400 --> 02:07:38,639
treat their disease. And so they're

3386
02:07:38,639 --> 02:07:40,400
letting them go into the communities.

3387
02:07:40,400 --> 02:07:43,040
And so some of our communities around us

3388
02:07:43,040 --> 02:07:47,520
are noticing an increase in in this um

3389
02:07:47,520 --> 02:07:50,400
this issue. So we're supposed to notice

3390
02:07:50,400 --> 02:07:53,199
if any of our residents call and say my

3391
02:07:53,199 --> 02:07:55,520
dog or my cat's throwing up blood or

3392
02:07:55,520 --> 02:07:58,400
something like that so that um so that

3393
02:07:58,400 --> 02:08:01,920
they the shelter is aware of where this

3394
02:08:01,920 --> 02:08:04,960
might have been spread to. And then um

3395
02:08:04,960 --> 02:08:07,360
working with department of agriculture

3396
02:08:07,360 --> 02:08:10,960
to have some accountability there um

3397
02:08:10,960 --> 02:08:13,679
because it does can affect humans and

3398
02:08:13,679 --> 02:08:15,520
livestock. So some of the livestock out

3399
02:08:15,520 --> 02:08:18,079
on the west side has been affected by

3400
02:08:18,079 --> 02:08:21,199
this. So that's those are the things

3401
02:08:21,199 --> 02:08:23,440
that we talked about. There was an art

3402
02:08:23,440 --> 02:08:26,159
there was um something done by Alex

3403
02:08:26,159 --> 02:08:28,960
Carrero uh a news report about this

3404
02:08:28,960 --> 02:08:31,599
recently and so it's kind of been more

3405
02:08:31,599 --> 02:08:34,639
in the news lately but some people just

3406
02:08:34,639 --> 02:08:37,760
haven't uh noticed but um the animal

3407
02:08:37,760 --> 02:08:39,520
shelter we're doing some some good

3408
02:08:39,520 --> 02:08:41,520
things. We're going to also oh one thing

3409
02:08:41,520 --> 02:08:43,599
I forgot they updated their website and

3410
02:08:43,599 --> 02:08:46,320
they also have a new license website.

3411
02:08:46,320 --> 02:08:48,480
So, if you have licensed your animal

3412
02:08:48,480 --> 02:08:50,400
like you're supposed to and your animal

3413
02:08:50,400 --> 02:08:52,719
is lost, in addition to our Woodland

3414
02:08:52,719 --> 02:08:54,079
Hills page where you can put your

3415
02:08:54,079 --> 02:08:56,000
picture and say, "Has anybody seen my

3416
02:08:56,000 --> 02:08:58,960
dog or my cat?" Um, you can go on there

3417
02:08:58,960 --> 02:09:00,800
and they'll they'll put pictures of

3418
02:09:00,800 --> 02:09:02,480
animals that have been brought in in

3419
02:09:02,480 --> 02:09:04,880
case it's yours. You can just go on that

3420
02:09:04,880 --> 02:09:06,719
website and see the picture and say,

3421
02:09:06,719 --> 02:09:09,920
"Ah, get down there. It's there." And

3422
02:09:09,920 --> 02:09:11,760
so, because not everybody who license

3423
02:09:11,760 --> 02:09:14,239
their cat or dog gets it chipped. If

3424
02:09:14,239 --> 02:09:15,840
it's chipped, they can call you. If it's

3425
02:09:15,840 --> 02:09:18,079
not, then you just have to look. So,

3426
02:09:18,079 --> 02:09:21,760
that was I thought was a good thing.

3427
02:09:21,760 --> 02:09:22,560
>> That's all we have.

3428
02:09:22,560 --> 02:09:25,280
>> Okay. Thank you. Uh, council member

3429
02:09:25,280 --> 02:09:27,520
Roden, anything

3430
02:09:27,520 --> 02:09:27,920
update

3431
02:09:27,920 --> 02:09:29,280
>> perfectly there.

3432
02:09:29,280 --> 02:09:30,960
>> Okay. Any items for an upcoming city

3433
02:09:30,960 --> 02:09:32,560
council meeting?

3434
02:09:32,560 --> 02:09:34,159
>> Um, no. The only thing that I wanted to

3435
02:09:34,159 --> 02:09:36,560
bring up is just talking to Sher

3436
02:09:36,560 --> 02:09:39,040
briefly. Sounds like I'm in charge of

3437
02:09:39,040 --> 02:09:40,560
putting together a meeting to talk about

3438
02:09:40,560 --> 02:09:43,199
the fundraiser. So, I'm going to I might

3439
02:09:43,199 --> 02:09:44,800
need some help to do it an official way

3440
02:09:44,800 --> 02:09:47,599
if it's an official meeting, but August

3441
02:09:47,599 --> 02:09:49,679
31st at 6:30. And I'll probably hold

3442
02:09:49,679 --> 02:09:51,920
that at the pavilion.

3443
02:09:51,920 --> 02:09:53,119
>> Which day?

3444
02:09:53,119 --> 02:09:57,270
>> August 31st.

3445
02:09:57,280 --> 02:10:02,790
» I think it's

3446
02:10:02,800 --> 02:10:05,679
» Oh, that's fine.

3447
02:10:05,679 --> 02:10:08,079
>> Okay. What's

3448
02:10:08,079 --> 02:10:10,480
Who are they? because he's gonna have

3449
02:10:10,480 --> 02:10:12,960
>> It's me.

3450
02:10:12,960 --> 02:10:14,719
>> It's Woodland Hills Day's committee.

3451
02:10:14,719 --> 02:10:19,440
>> Oh, it is. Okay. Um

3452
02:10:19,440 --> 02:10:21,199
>> No, we have this room. I reserve this

3453
02:10:21,199 --> 02:10:21,760
room.

3454
02:10:21,760 --> 02:10:23,119
>> Can you have a different room?

3455
02:10:23,119 --> 02:10:25,280
>> Well, if you're doing PTR, that really

3456
02:10:25,280 --> 02:10:27,360
needs to be And that sounds like who

3457
02:10:27,360 --> 02:10:28,639
you're meeting with.

3458
02:10:28,639 --> 02:10:30,719
>> She doesn't seem to want to do it

3459
02:10:30,719 --> 02:10:32,320
formally.

3460
02:10:32,320 --> 02:10:34,320
So,

3461
02:10:34,320 --> 02:10:38,239
>> she she has to

3462
02:10:38,239 --> 02:10:41,440
She doesn't want ever want to, but she needs to.

3463
02:10:41,440 --> 02:10:43,199
>> Yeah, they need to be a formal meeting.

3464
02:10:43,199 --> 02:10:43,599
I

3465
02:10:43,599 --> 02:10:45,040
>> could you connect it

3466
02:10:45,040 --> 02:10:47,040
>> since it's the same people. Could you

3467
02:10:47,040 --> 02:10:48,079
ask Sher to

3468
02:10:48,079 --> 02:10:49,119
>> PTR meeting?

3469
02:10:49,119 --> 02:10:50,639
>> No, it's not a PTR. It's a Woodland

3470
02:10:50,639 --> 02:10:51,920
Hills day meeting. I thought you said it

3471
02:10:51,920 --> 02:10:53,679
was a PTR meeting.

3472
02:10:53,679 --> 02:10:56,079
>> When is the next PTR meeting?

3473
02:10:56,079 --> 02:10:57,679
>> Can I just be added to the agenda on

3474
02:10:57,679 --> 02:10:57,920
that?

3475
02:10:57,920 --> 02:11:01,920
>> It's supposed to be next week.

3476
02:11:01,920 --> 02:11:05,599
>> I'll be gone next week.

3477
02:11:05,599 --> 02:11:07,520
I haven't seen an agenda or heard

3478
02:11:07,520 --> 02:11:08,400
anything though.

3479
02:11:08,400 --> 02:11:10,960
>> It's supposed to be the 18th. So then

3480
02:11:10,960 --> 02:11:14,159
the next one after that would be

3481
02:11:14,159 --> 02:11:15,440
September 15th

3482
02:11:15,440 --> 02:11:17,119
>> after Woodland Hills Day, which doesn't

3483
02:11:17,119 --> 02:11:18,719
help.

3484
02:11:18,719 --> 02:11:21,440
>> You have to have it in August.

3485
02:11:21,440 --> 02:11:23,199
>> Or we could do maybe we could do the

3486
02:11:23,199 --> 02:11:28,149
18th.

3487
02:11:28,159 --> 02:11:29,280
» Would that work?

3488
02:11:29,280 --> 02:11:31,920
>> I think sooner is better. So you have

3489
02:11:31,920 --> 02:11:34,960
time to prepare

3490
02:11:34,960 --> 02:11:36,880
>> because I just reserved you a booth.

3491
02:11:36,880 --> 02:11:38,960
>> You did good. Thank you.

3492
02:11:38,960 --> 02:11:41,520
>> So if you could get a agenda

3493
02:11:41,520 --> 02:11:41,920
>> Sure.

3494
02:11:41,920 --> 02:11:45,119
>> to us uh no later than noon on Monday.

3495
02:11:45,119 --> 02:11:46,800
>> Okay.

3496
02:11:46,800 --> 02:11:49,440
>> So August 18th at 6:30 p.m.

3497
02:11:49,440 --> 02:11:49,840
>> Yes.

3498
02:11:49,840 --> 02:11:51,040
>> And here.

3499
02:11:51,040 --> 02:11:52,560
>> Um I was going to do it at the pavilion,

3500
02:11:52,560 --> 02:11:53,760
but we could do it here if that's

3501
02:11:53,760 --> 02:11:54,480
better.

3502
02:11:54,480 --> 02:11:56,719
>> Well, we do it here typically because we

3503
02:11:56,719 --> 02:11:59,119
can record it and required to record

3504
02:11:59,119 --> 02:12:05,510
committee meetings. Got you.

3505
02:12:05,520 --> 02:12:07,520
Okay, thank you. 6:30 work. Is that the

3506
02:12:07,520 --> 02:12:09,760
typical time?

3507
02:12:09,760 --> 02:12:11,440
>> If you want it 6:30, it's otherwise on

3508
02:12:11,440 --> 02:12:18,790
the calendar for 7, but 6:30 is fine.

3509
02:12:18,800 --> 02:12:21,599
» Wonderful. Then we will take a quick

3510
02:12:21,599 --> 02:12:25,360
break here. Um, it is currently 8:12.

3511
02:12:25,360 --> 02:12:28,239
Uh, how about a quick break? Let's be

3512
02:12:28,239 --> 02:12:34,390
back here at 8:15.

3513
02:12:34,400 --> 02:12:36,719
Kobe's.

3514
02:12:36,719 --> 02:12:38,880
>> Okay. Like to call this uh city council

3515
02:12:38,880 --> 02:12:40,480
meeting to order. Uh we are going to

3516
02:12:40,480 --> 02:12:42,239
have an invocation by council member

3517
02:12:42,239 --> 02:12:45,599
Malovich and then a pledge of allegiance

3518
02:12:45,599 --> 02:12:47,280
from the present council member

3519
02:12:47,280 --> 02:12:49,840
Hutchings.

3520
02:12:49,840 --> 02:12:56,629
Our

3521
02:12:56,639 --> 02:12:59,040
dear heavenly father, we're grateful for

3522
02:12:59,040 --> 02:13:01,440
this opportunity we have to meet as a

3523
02:13:01,440 --> 02:13:04,639
city council to discuss the needs and of

3524
02:13:04,639 --> 02:13:07,920
our city. We're grateful for our

3525
02:13:07,920 --> 02:13:10,960
citizens and the the sense of community

3526
02:13:10,960 --> 02:13:13,679
that we have in looking out for each

3527
02:13:13,679 --> 02:13:16,960
other, for being mindful of of each

3528
02:13:16,960 --> 02:13:22,000
other, for the patience, and for the

3529
02:13:22,000 --> 02:13:25,360
um willingness to to come together in

3530
02:13:25,360 --> 02:13:28,079
times of need and in times of

3531
02:13:28,079 --> 02:13:29,840
celebration.

3532
02:13:29,840 --> 02:13:32,639
We're grateful for our community, for

3533
02:13:32,639 --> 02:13:34,719
our mountain, and for the beauty that

3534
02:13:34,719 --> 02:13:36,719
thou has provided for us. Please

3535
02:13:36,719 --> 02:13:39,599
continue to bless us with safety in this

3536
02:13:39,599 --> 02:13:42,239
fire season. We also pray for the

3537
02:13:42,239 --> 02:13:43,920
communities that have been impacted by

3538
02:13:43,920 --> 02:13:46,320
the fires this year and and potential

3539
02:13:46,320 --> 02:13:49,679
flooding that they will

3540
02:13:49,679 --> 02:13:52,880
see some relief soon with the the um

3541
02:13:52,880 --> 02:13:56,639
impending cooler temperatures.

3542
02:13:56,639 --> 02:13:59,520
Please bless us this night that we can

3543
02:13:59,520 --> 02:14:03,119
um discuss and deliberate the needs of

3544
02:14:03,119 --> 02:14:07,679
our city that we can be mindful of of

3545
02:14:07,679 --> 02:14:10,560
those needs and um of the impact they

3546
02:14:10,560 --> 02:14:12,639
have. Help us to make the decision

3547
02:14:12,639 --> 02:14:16,719
that's best for everyone and um that we

3548
02:14:16,719 --> 02:14:19,040
can

3549
02:14:19,040 --> 02:14:21,760
continue to have a quality of life that

3550
02:14:21,760 --> 02:14:25,280
we enjoy here in Woodland Hills.

3551
02:14:25,280 --> 02:14:28,480
God, we're grateful for thy blessings

3552
02:14:28,480 --> 02:14:30,719
upon our city, the safety and the

3553
02:14:30,719 --> 02:14:32,719
mindfulness of our citizens in helping

3554
02:14:32,719 --> 02:14:34,320
us to protect it during this fire

3555
02:14:34,320 --> 02:14:35,920
season. And we say these things in the

3556
02:14:35,920 --> 02:14:39,910
name of Jesus Christ. Amen.

3557
02:14:39,920 --> 02:14:42,800
» Please rise and join with me in saying

3558
02:14:42,800 --> 02:14:45,520
our pledge of allegiance.

3559
02:14:45,520 --> 02:14:48,800
I pledge algiance to the flag of the

3560
02:14:48,800 --> 02:14:51,920
United States of America and to the

3561
02:14:51,920 --> 02:14:54,400
republic for which it stands.

3562
02:14:54,400 --> 02:14:58,560
One nation under God, indivisible, with

3563
02:14:58,560 --> 02:15:03,189
liberty and justice for all.

3564
02:15:03,199 --> 02:15:05,280
» Thank you both.

3565
02:15:05,280 --> 02:15:07,040
Okay, we'd like to open the public

3566
02:15:07,040 --> 02:15:09,679
comment section of our meeting. Uh,

3567
02:15:09,679 --> 02:15:11,199
public comments are limited to two

3568
02:15:11,199 --> 02:15:13,520
minutes per person, individual, unless

3569
02:15:13,520 --> 02:15:15,199
otherwise directed by the mayor.

3570
02:15:15,199 --> 02:15:17,119
Comments submitted by email must be

3571
02:15:17,119 --> 02:15:19,040
received by 3 p.m. on the day of the

3572
02:15:19,040 --> 02:15:21,280
meeting. to be included in the official

3573
02:15:21,280 --> 02:15:23,280
record. Emmailed comments will not be

3574
02:15:23,280 --> 02:15:26,000
read aloud during the meeting, but will

3575
02:15:26,000 --> 02:15:28,000
be distributed to the city council and

3576
02:15:28,000 --> 02:15:30,960
included in the meeting's record.

3577
02:15:30,960 --> 02:15:33,360
So, it looks like we've got a couple.

3578
02:15:33,360 --> 02:15:36,320
Diana, anything today?

3579
02:15:36,320 --> 02:15:39,119
Sean, Dorl,

3580
02:15:39,119 --> 02:15:40,880
>> Dorl already made his comment.

3581
02:15:40,880 --> 02:15:43,520
>> Yeah. Yeah, Dored. I'll second that.

3582
02:15:43,520 --> 02:15:48,149
Dor.

3583
02:15:48,159 --> 02:15:51,920
» Okay. With no comment, we will close the public comment section of this

3584
02:15:51,920 --> 02:15:53,920
meeting and we will move to the consent

3585
02:15:53,920 --> 02:15:57,360
agenda. So, an approval for the July

3586
02:15:57,360 --> 02:16:01,040
14th, 2026 city council meeting minutes.

3587
02:16:01,040 --> 02:16:02,800
>> I'll make a motion.

3588
02:16:02,800 --> 02:16:04,960
>> I have a motion from Council Member Lunt

3589
02:16:04,960 --> 02:16:06,320
and a second by Council Member

3590
02:16:06,320 --> 02:16:08,800
Valkovich. Uh, all in favor?

3591
02:16:08,800 --> 02:16:09,599
>> I.

3592
02:16:09,599 --> 02:16:11,840
>> Uh, any opposed?

3593
02:16:11,840 --> 02:16:14,880
That uh motion passes. Um, we're going

3594
02:16:14,880 --> 02:16:16,880
to now move on to the business items.

3595
02:16:16,880 --> 02:16:19,840
approval of the contract repair of the

3596
02:16:19,840 --> 02:16:22,079
exterior of the city center. Um, it

3597
02:16:22,079 --> 02:16:23,920
seems like you guys are operating under

3598
02:16:23,920 --> 02:16:26,639
last week's appro or last council

3599
02:16:26,639 --> 02:16:27,199
approval.

3600
02:16:27,199 --> 02:16:29,440
>> I think that's sufficient. I'm I'm happy

3601
02:16:29,440 --> 02:16:31,520
to make another

3602
02:16:31,520 --> 02:16:33,040
uh

3603
02:16:33,040 --> 02:16:36,319
>> motion if you would like to. So, I'd

3604
02:16:36,319 --> 02:16:40,240
like to make a motion that uh the that

3605
02:16:40,240 --> 02:16:43,519
we go back with a standard scope of work

3606
02:16:43,519 --> 02:16:47,760
for each of the contractors and give the

3607
02:16:47,760 --> 02:16:50,319
um

3608
02:16:50,319 --> 02:16:53,519
give the approval for

3609
02:16:53,519 --> 02:16:55,120
I don't remember what we had approved

3610
02:16:55,120 --> 02:16:57,200
last time

3611
02:16:57,200 --> 02:16:58,719
>> just that which is budgeted

3612
02:16:58,719 --> 02:17:02,479
>> that what what we budgeted um and give

3613
02:17:02,479 --> 02:17:06,559
that authorization to the mayor. um with

3614
02:17:06,559 --> 02:17:10,960
city c or city staff's approval of of

3615
02:17:10,960 --> 02:17:14,559
updated uh up to that money of updated

3616
02:17:14,559 --> 02:17:15,200
quotes.

3617
02:17:15,200 --> 02:17:18,160
>> But but not oh up up to the so changing

3618
02:17:18,160 --> 02:17:20,639
the the dollar amount because it seemed

3619
02:17:20,639 --> 02:17:22,800
like they all came in over the dollar,

3620
02:17:22,800 --> 02:17:23,760
didn't they?

3621
02:17:23,760 --> 02:17:25,599
>> No, I got the first one to help me

3622
02:17:25,599 --> 02:17:26,880
establish the budget.

3623
02:17:26,880 --> 02:17:27,679
>> Okay.

3624
02:17:27,679 --> 02:17:29,599
>> So that's where that number came from

3625
02:17:29,599 --> 02:17:32,000
and why that first quote came in. So,

3626
02:17:32,000 --> 02:17:34,080
>> and so that's still where we stand on

3627
02:17:34,080 --> 02:17:36,399
that that quote, but as long as we're

3628
02:17:36,399 --> 02:17:39,359
within that budget amount that the mayor

3629
02:17:39,359 --> 02:17:41,920
can make that uh final decision.

3630
02:17:41,920 --> 02:17:44,639
>> Okay. Motion from motion from council

3631
02:17:44,639 --> 02:17:45,760
member Hutchkins.

3632
02:17:45,760 --> 02:17:46,800
>> I'll second.

3633
02:17:46,800 --> 02:17:48,800
>> Council member Rhoden with a second. All

3634
02:17:48,800 --> 02:17:50,319
in favor?

3635
02:17:50,319 --> 02:17:50,880
>> I.

3636
02:17:50,880 --> 02:17:53,280
>> Uh any opposed?

3637
02:17:53,280 --> 02:17:55,439
>> Okay. Uh consideration of notice of

3638
02:17:55,439 --> 02:17:59,359
intent to sell a parcel of land.

3639
02:17:59,359 --> 02:18:01,439
>> Motion. I'll second.

3640
02:18:01,439 --> 02:18:03,280
>> Okay. So, I have a motion from Council

3641
02:18:03,280 --> 02:18:05,040
Member Malovich and a second from

3642
02:18:05,040 --> 02:18:07,920
Council Member John's. All in favor?

3643
02:18:07,920 --> 02:18:08,639
>> I.

3644
02:18:08,639 --> 02:18:10,719
>> Any opposed?

3645
02:18:10,719 --> 02:18:13,120
That motion passes. Um, approval of the

3646
02:18:13,120 --> 02:18:16,800
June 2026 fiscal or financials and check

3647
02:18:16,800 --> 02:18:18,399
dispersements.

3648
02:18:18,399 --> 02:18:19,679
>> I'll make a motion.

3649
02:18:19,679 --> 02:18:21,359
>> So, I have a motion from Council Member

3650
02:18:21,359 --> 02:18:22,000
Jones.

3651
02:18:22,000 --> 02:18:22,960
>> I'll second it.

3652
02:18:22,960 --> 02:18:24,559
>> And I have a second from Council Member

3653
02:18:24,559 --> 02:18:26,319
Lunt. All in favor?

3654
02:18:26,319 --> 02:18:27,200
>> I.

3655
02:18:27,200 --> 02:18:29,120
>> Any opposed?

3656
02:18:29,120 --> 02:18:31,599
That motion passes. Approval of the July

3657
02:18:31,599 --> 02:18:34,639
2026 financials and check dispersements.

3658
02:18:34,639 --> 02:18:35,679
>> I'll make a motion.

3659
02:18:35,679 --> 02:18:37,439
>> Council member Rhden with the motion.

3660
02:18:37,439 --> 02:18:38,399
>> I'll second.

3661
02:18:38,399 --> 02:18:40,880
>> Council member Hutchkins with a second.

3662
02:18:40,880 --> 02:18:42,319
All in favor?

3663
02:18:42,319 --> 02:18:43,040
>> I.

3664
02:18:43,040 --> 02:18:46,800
>> Any opposed? That motion passes. A

3665
02:18:46,800 --> 02:18:49,519
resolution 2026-45

3666
02:18:49,519 --> 02:18:51,760
dissolving the community development

3667
02:18:51,760 --> 02:18:52,399
committee.

3668
02:18:52,399 --> 02:18:53,760
>> My motion.

3669
02:18:53,760 --> 02:18:55,920
>> Council member Malcolich with a motion.

3670
02:18:55,920 --> 02:18:58,080
>> I'll second it. Council member Lunt with

3671
02:18:58,080 --> 02:18:58,800
the second.

3672
02:18:58,800 --> 02:19:00,800
>> Real quick before we vote on that, we

3673
02:19:00,800 --> 02:19:02,399
can have a little discussion. Can we

3674
02:19:02,399 --> 02:19:04,880
also, and I don't know if this is

3675
02:19:04,880 --> 02:19:08,080
possible, can we also give an official

3676
02:19:08,080 --> 02:19:10,240
um

3677
02:19:10,240 --> 02:19:11,920
thank you to each one of the members of

3678
02:19:11,920 --> 02:19:12,960
that committee.

3679
02:19:12,960 --> 02:19:14,719
>> I have actually written thank you notes

3680
02:19:14,719 --> 02:19:15,840
to each one of

3681
02:19:15,840 --> 02:19:17,120
>> But I want to make sure it's from that

3682
02:19:17,120 --> 02:19:20,000
council and official um that they're

3683
02:19:20,000 --> 02:19:22,800
getting getting that as part of this

3684
02:19:22,800 --> 02:19:24,719
resolution to dissolve.

3685
02:19:24,719 --> 02:19:26,639
>> Yes, we can do it. Thank you. Is that

3686
02:19:26,639 --> 02:19:28,160
okay? Is that Can we follow the same

3687
02:19:28,160 --> 02:19:29,040
motion, you guys?

3688
02:19:29,040 --> 02:19:31,040
>> Yeah. Add that to the motion.

3689
02:19:31,040 --> 02:19:33,200
>> Okay. Is that okay with you, Council

3690
02:19:33,200 --> 02:19:34,319
Member Lyn?

3691
02:19:34,319 --> 02:19:34,800
>> Second.

3692
02:19:34,800 --> 02:19:35,200
>> Yep.

3693
02:19:35,200 --> 02:19:36,800
>> Okay. All in favor?

3694
02:19:36,800 --> 02:19:37,840
>> I.

3695
02:19:37,840 --> 02:19:39,439
>> Any opposed?

3696
02:19:39,439 --> 02:19:43,359
>> Okay. That motion passes. Um I do have

3697
02:19:43,359 --> 02:19:45,439
some things that we need to discuss. Um

3698
02:19:45,439 --> 02:19:47,200
if you guys are willing to go into a

3699
02:19:47,200 --> 02:19:50,000
close session pursuant to Utah code uh

3700
02:19:50,000 --> 02:19:53,190
52-4-205

3701
02:19:53,200 --> 02:19:57,359
uh 1. Um, and that is concerning uh uh

3702
02:19:57,359 --> 02:19:58,720
potential legal.

3703
02:19:58,720 --> 02:20:00,000
>> I'll make a motion.

3704
02:20:00,000 --> 02:20:01,680
>> So, I have a motion from Council Member

3705
02:20:01,680 --> 02:20:02,880
Hutchings.

3706
02:20:02,880 --> 02:20:03,920
>> Second.

3707
02:20:03,920 --> 02:20:05,760
>> Uh, I have a second from Council Member

3708
02:20:05,760 --> 02:20:07,439
John's. Council member Malovich,

3709
02:20:07,439 --> 02:20:08,000
>> yes.

3710
02:20:08,000 --> 02:20:09,280
>> Council member Jones,

3711
02:20:09,280 --> 02:20:09,760
>> yes.

3712
02:20:09,760 --> 02:20:10,880
>> Council member Hutchkins,

3713
02:20:10,880 --> 02:20:11,200
>> yes.

3714
02:20:11,200 --> 02:20:12,160
>> Council member Rhoden,

3715
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>> yes.

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02:20:12,560 --> 02:20:13,680
>> Council member Lunt,

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02:20:13,680 --> 02:20:14,560
>> yes.

3718
02:20:14,560 --> 02:20:16,880
>> Okay. Thank you very much, everybody. We

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02:20:16,880 --> 02:20:20,399
are going to be heading into u close

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02:20:20,399 --> 02:20:22,399
session. So, Dana, thank you so much for

3721
02:20:22,399 --> 02:20:24,720
joining us. You're welcome to hang out

3722
02:20:24,720 --> 02:20:30,309
in the hall and uh come back.

3723
02:20:30,319 --> 02:20:33,760
» Okay. Can I get a motion to adjourn?

3724
02:20:33,760 --> 02:20:35,280
>> Okay. Do I have a second?

3725
02:20:35,280 --> 02:20:36,399
>> I second it.

3726
02:20:36,399 --> 02:20:38,399
>> We are adjourned.

3727
02:20:38,399 --> 02:20:41,760
Thank you all.

3728
02:20:41,760 --> 02:20:43,920
>> I will get through these.

3729
02:20:43,920 --> 02:20:46,560
>> That's cute. This you guys too.

3730
02:20:46,560 --> 02:20:47,680
>> That was all the boys.

3731
02:20:47,680 --> 02:20:50,399
>> That was the boys. You boys were a lot

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02:20:50,399 --> 02:20:54,000
of fun. That was a lot of fun.