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like to welcome everyone to our planning

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commission meeting this evening. Um Lori

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is excused.

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Uh we'd like to welcome Mike King who's

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new member for planning commission and

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present are he and sever Johnson,

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myself, Wayne Franson, John Stout and uh

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Brian Hutchkins from our city council is

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with us tonight as well.

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So first uh we'll follow the agenda that

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we've got. we have a public hearing.

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Uh there's been a publication of the uh

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the issues that involve the public

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hearing and so would like to open it up

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for

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any

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comments or thoughts regarding either of

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the uh proposed

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changes to our ordinances either in

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title 10 or under 11.45.

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And for the record, I'll just read just

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a brief summary of these different

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ordinances.

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One is definitions and standards of

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primary and secondary driveways.

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Uh another is building permits,

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temporary certificates of occupancy,

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and certificates of occupancy.

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corner lots and accessory buildings.

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Another is swimming pool fencing and

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safety requirements.

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Uh another is recreational vehicle boat

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and camping trailer parking.

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grade drainage covert and roadway

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approach standards.

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facility design and surfacing

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requirements.

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So there is no one present here

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physically

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uh tonight. I see Bucky. Can you hear

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us? Okay.

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Are you able to hear Bucky? Thumb up.

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finding mute and unmute.

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sure you could you could hear us.

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any comments. Okay. Very well.

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Lucky Gay is the only one signed on to

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the Zoom.

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So, absent the public comments, we'll go

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ahead and close the public hearing

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and uh move on to the other items on the

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agenda.

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We'll call to order the Runator Planning

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Commission meeting.

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Sever, would you offer an invocation for

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us? And John, would you lead us in the

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pledge?

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Our kind, gracious uh heavenly father,

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we're grateful for this opportunity to

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meet with planning commission tonight.

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Bless us in our deliberations that we

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may have thy spirit to guide us to that

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which would be best for our community.

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We pray for these things in the name of

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thy son Jesus Christ. Amen.

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>> Amen.

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To the flag of the United States of

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America and to the republic for it

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stands

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nation

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andice for all.

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uh zoomed in for public comment?

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Move on to the agenda items then. First

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item number seven is approval of the

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June 17, 2026 planning commission

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meeting minutes. As you'll recall, we

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didn't have a July meeting, so June was

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meeting. So, I'd take a motion

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uh to approve those minutes.

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a little bit, we'll have as we finish

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usually approve it or possibly

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disapprove it. And then there's a second

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more discussion if there is any about

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that and then we'll take a vote on it.

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discussion and vote on proposed

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amendments to city code title 10. Now

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title 10 is our zoning ordinance

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there have been some changes that were

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have been recommended to make. Um

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briefly. The the

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one is the uh definition of uh we've had

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u question about we have a driveway

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standard and we're dividing this up now

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into a primary driveway and a secondary

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driveway. Primary driveway is the one

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that comes off the main street into the

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home.

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other driveway

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into the property or into the home or or

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that's not serviced by the primary

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driveway.

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the secondary access to a residential

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lot for any purpose. Allowable surfaces

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made for a secondary driveway include

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concrete or asphalt pavement.

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with gravel or other approved city

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uh approved hard surface and all

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vegetation must be removed and kept

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clear. So, we're adding that to a

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secondary driveway criteria.

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the vegetation removed and cleared so

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there would be no fire danger and

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pulling off into that secondary driveway

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with all grass or whatever. And um we've

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added a compacted road base with gravel

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overlay is an acceptable

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covering for that driveway. In the It's

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dealing with parking of recreational

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vehicles and boats and and uh those were

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supposed to be parked on asphalt and

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concrete. So, we're making an allowance

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for somebody if they they can use that

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skill, but they can make a hard surface

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plus gravel and then no weeds or

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everything on that kind of surface.

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needs to happen for this change, but is

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there a city standard for base

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compaction and types of things?

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asphalt, things like that for

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residential driveway.

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standard, but not for driveway.

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heated driveways. So, it's usually on

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road base and then cement hose on top of the the heat coils that they

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have. So, driving through the area, I've

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noticed a lot of homes that you'll come

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in on a main driveway and then it splits

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and there's a home here and then a home

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up here. Is that considered a secondary

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driveway for one of those homes or

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because they both come into the same

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driveway coming out the road, is that

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are they both considered primary?

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a few of those where I have one.

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in and out. Uh the driveways have to

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have a certain setback from the property

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line. The main driveway, the secondary

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driveways don't, but the primary

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driveway has to be certain number of

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we have been applying the setback.

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to circular driveways.

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set back. You're right. But they do have

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to on on either side if they go from one

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side to the other or

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neither side of the driveway can be

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closer than what the setback allows.

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spur. Secondary is a separate driveway

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final 10 ones and then take a vote.

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problem and have to come in and either

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fix the grade or widen the driveway to

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meet the criteria or is this

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>> We're just defining that. That's what I

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you rais a good question. Generally

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grandfather what's been done in place

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but up to now it's been more strict

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uh with a secondary driveway. So um and

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we know that there's ones that haven't adhered to it.

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and just so forth out there for

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the the occupancy certificate says it

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the city will issue building permit upon

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application in compliance with all laws,

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ordinance, rules, and regulations.

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Fire safety permit confirming compliance

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with the wildland interface ordinance is

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also required.

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No building permits will be issued until

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compliance with the uniform fire code to

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allow access to the construction site,

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but fire apparatus vehicles. Once

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approval has been granted, a building

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permit may be obtained. Some of that,

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we've

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there's been a little confusion on part

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two.

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I'll read it as it's as it's going to be

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changed as we recommend it change to a

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certificate of occupancy must be

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obtained from the building official

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before the building is occupied.

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A certificate shall only be issued if

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the building is in conformity with the

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building code, the zoning ordinance, and

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all other applicable ordinances.

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Provided, however, if the only

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deficiency is the inability to complete

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the hard or the required hard surface

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driveway because of inclement weather, a

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temporary certificate may be issued. If

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a sum equal to 125%

302
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of the estimated cost of such driveway

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is determined by the building official

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is placed in an escrow account available

305
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to the city

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for the purpose of completing the

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driveway if the applicant has not

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completed the driveway within nine

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months of receipt of the temporary

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certificate.

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So this was in another place. So we're

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putting it in this in in title 10 as

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well as it relates to the certificate of

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occupancy.

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So a temporary can be issued if if the

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zoning ordinances and all other

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applicable ordinances

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uh and there's conformity to the

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building code are done and the only

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deficiency is the inability to complete

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a hard surface driveway. In the past,

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we've been kind of lenient in allowing

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temporary certificates of occupancy.

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Um, and

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that's going to be tightened up a little

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bit. Um

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where

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if if if a final inspection has been

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done on the house and you builders know

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that there's still there's still things

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that will be will need to be done to

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complete the construction

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after the final building inspection for

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code.

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So, if there's a final building

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inspection for code done and it meets

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this other criteria, we can still issue

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a temporary certificate,

339
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but we're we're going to we're going to

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hold to that to that standard.

341
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>> Is the red the new what you're proposing

342
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and the black the old?

343
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>> It it got it got messed up a little bit.

344
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>> Generally speaking, yes, the red is

345
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what's being proposed,

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>> but not in this

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>> not in this section. Okay. So it's the

348
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it's a switch.

349
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>> Yeah.

350
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>> Okay.

351
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>> So it's an escrow rather than a bond.

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>> Um

353
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that kind of a big

354
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>> big change I see in that is the escro.

355
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It goes to an escro account rather than

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a bond.

357
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>> Um they can place a bond too. Does that not say this?

358
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>> No, it says it

359
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>> it says it in two bond

360
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>> in the black one.

361
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>> No.

362
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>> Oh the red one has a bond.

363
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>> Yeah. Well, black didn't.

364
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>> But the black did not have

365
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>> Didn't you say, Wayne, this was in

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another section? You're just putting it

367
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in this section now.

368
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>> Yes. Yes.

369
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>> So, maybe it was already there. Okay.

370
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>> Does the fire department ever have an

371
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issue with driveways not being done

372
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for access reasons, even if it is

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winter? Just out of curiosity.

374
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>> No,

375
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>> I guess they just deal with what they

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have there. Yeah,

377
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>> we don't typically go up drive waste

378
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unless they're really long. I don't even

379
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>> try to avoid that as well.

380
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>> And what what items would need to be done to get it

381
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temporary? There's still got to be some.

382
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>> If somebody's going to put shelving in

383
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the house, they haven't done it yet.

384
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>> No big deal.

385
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>> We're not going to.

386
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>> But but all the life safety stuff's got

387
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to be in, right? Like the sprinklers

388
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have to be up in operation.

389
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>> All the all the inspections have to be

390
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done.

391
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>> Okay. But that usually includes

392
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>> Yeah. So decorative things can be left

393
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down. That's right. Obviously

394
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>> stair rails, you know, things that are

395
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going to be inspected, those have to be

396
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in place.

397
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>> So,

398
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um, and they'll just put it in an escrow

399
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or they can

400
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>> Yes.

401
00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:50,799
>> Yeah. Something that the city can access

402
00:19:50,799 --> 00:19:53,039
and do it if they don't get that. That

403
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makes sense.

404
00:19:53,919 --> 00:19:56,000
>> Yeah. 100% and that can be from the

405
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contractor or individual or is it the

406
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property owner that has to do that?

407
00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:03,120
>> The it could either either one.

408
00:20:03,120 --> 00:20:03,600
>> Okay.

409
00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:06,480
>> Who whoever establishes that bond

410
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though, that's who money goes back to.

411
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If the contractor puts a bond in place,

412
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then his bond goes back to him when the

413
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work's done.

414
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>> Just have the contractor do it.

415
00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:20,960
>> Typically, the work gets done.

416
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>> Yeah.

417
00:20:23,120 --> 00:20:24,960
>> Let me I don't know if that could be put

418
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in there.

419
00:20:26,559 --> 00:20:29,760
>> The next page is the red and that's

420
00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:32,720
what's being changed in this one as I

421
00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:35,600
see that now. Okay. The blacks what's

422
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there now? So the red um

423
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is a bond better than doing an escrow

424
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account?

425
00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:47,200
>> It's easier.

426
00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:48,880
>> Is a bond easier? I would have found

427
00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:50,240
much more difficult. I'm not used to

428
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that.

429
00:20:50,799 --> 00:20:53,360
>> It's simpler, but

430
00:20:53,360 --> 00:20:54,559
on the city

431
00:20:54,559 --> 00:20:57,200
>> on the city individuals. That's why I

432
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think a contractor ought to be pulling

433
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the bond just because they're

434
00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:03,120
>> well the bond they've got to pay twice

435
00:21:03,120 --> 00:21:04,559
and they get back,

436
00:21:04,559 --> 00:21:06,720
>> right? That's the thing I didn't like

437
00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:09,520
about the bond thought of it is you pay

438
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tw you pay the bond and then you pay to

439
00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:12,799
get the work done and you get the bond

440
00:21:12,799 --> 00:21:14,480
back after it's so you got to have

441
00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:16,320
double the money to actually place a

442
00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:17,120
bond. Well,

443
00:21:17,120 --> 00:21:19,200
>> we accept that if they if they bond

444
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through a a bank for example, then that

445
00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:24,960
We don't ask for additional.

446
00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:25,440
>> Yeah,

447
00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:28,400
>> that's in place. But then they do need

448
00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:30,240
to have the money to do the work.

449
00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:32,080
>> To do the work. Yep. On top of it. So

450
00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:33,760
>> So they get that bond back. So they're

451
00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:35,440
not losing any money. They're going to

452
00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:35,919
have to do

453
00:21:35,919 --> 00:21:38,960
>> as long as it's clear and and it's

454
00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:41,440
patent for everybody, then it make, you

455
00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:43,360
know, I I don't I can't see a problem.

456
00:21:43,360 --> 00:21:44,799
>> Understand? Yeah. Yeah, that makes

457
00:21:44,799 --> 00:21:45,760
sense.

458
00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:50,240
>> Okay, let me the next page then the uh

459
00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:57,510
one and two. Um

460
00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:01,760
what what we found is some people

461
00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:04,000
start occupying their home without a

462
00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:05,679
certificate.

463
00:22:05,679 --> 00:22:07,520
So we wanted to make sure that there was

464
00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:09,840
a clear

465
00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:14,000
understanding of that. So under item

466
00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:17,039
one, the last sentence, a certificate of

467
00:22:17,039 --> 00:22:19,120
occupancy must be obtained before this

468
00:22:19,120 --> 00:22:23,760
structure is permanently occupied.

469
00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:25,840
So that's been the addition that I don't

470
00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:29,909
think it was on

471
00:22:29,919 --> 00:22:32,320
it was not on the first not it's not in

472
00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:35,200
the current it's not worded that way in

473
00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:37,919
the current uh ordinance.

474
00:22:37,919 --> 00:22:41,120
And then a temporary certificate.

475
00:22:41,120 --> 00:22:44,080
It's a little more clear with

476
00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:47,039
a temporary certificate

477
00:22:47,039 --> 00:22:48,880
of electricity can be applied for if the

478
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structure is substantially complete and

479
00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:54,240
there are no safety, life or health

480
00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:56,799
hazards on the property.

481
00:22:56,799 --> 00:23:01,280
So we'll issue a temporary

482
00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:07,510
if they meet that that standard.

483
00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:10,000
You're going to put a deadline for these

484
00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,480
items to be completed in the permit

485
00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:13,760
process.

486
00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:14,240
>> Yeah.

487
00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:15,520
>> Okay. So, they're not going to be able

488
00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:17,200
to move in and then five years later

489
00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:19,679
they decide to put in their driveway

490
00:23:19,679 --> 00:23:20,960
>> like they used to

491
00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:22,240
>> like Yeah. [laughter]

492
00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:22,640
forever.

493
00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:25,600
>> It says 90. So,

494
00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:26,960
>> yeah. So, that's

495
00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:28,159
>> So, we're giving them a time.

496
00:23:28,159 --> 00:23:28,880
>> Plenty of time.

497
00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:32,480
>> That's the time. Yeah.

498
00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:36,630
>> Um

499
00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:42,240
The next item in 10 is uh a clear

500
00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:43,760
explanation

501
00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:46,400
if you can believe that

502
00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:47,120
I'm trying to read

503
00:23:47,120 --> 00:23:49,039
>> for corner lots.

504
00:23:49,039 --> 00:23:52,000
>> We've had issues come up where

505
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:56,480
um our ordinance is not that clear that

506
00:23:56,480 --> 00:24:00,480
as far as the setbacks go. So, it's a

507
00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:03,120
little wordy, but

508
00:24:03,120 --> 00:24:04,799
u

509
00:24:04,799 --> 00:24:08,159
that was that's the idea behind the the

510
00:24:08,159 --> 00:24:11,919
setbacks for the corner loops for the

511
00:24:11,919 --> 00:24:14,640
street.

512
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:17,600
So, it it identifies that the black is

513
00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:21,760
what's there now. The red is what

514
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:28,950
is being proposed.

515
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:33,360
Um, okay. Question. Yeah,

516
00:24:33,360 --> 00:24:35,360
>> I'll use our city engineer as an

517
00:24:35,360 --> 00:24:37,600
example.

518
00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:42,559
He's on a quarter lot. He got a variance

519
00:24:42,559 --> 00:24:46,799
to reduce the front setback from 50 ft

520
00:24:46,799 --> 00:24:49,600
to 30 ft. Yes.

521
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:52,480
Is the side door set back still the 50

522
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:54,000
ft

523
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:59,679
or is he now in a 30 ft side?

524
00:24:59,679 --> 00:25:05,350
The variance was just on the front.

525
00:25:05,360 --> 00:25:08,240
That's right.

526
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:09,760
>> And we've had that we had that

527
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:13,279
situation. Not that exact situation, but

528
00:25:13,279 --> 00:25:16,960
where a person requested a variance

529
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:20,559
being closer to his home

530
00:25:20,559 --> 00:25:22,799
to build a garage

531
00:25:22,799 --> 00:25:25,919
than than the 20 ft requirement to be a

532
00:25:25,919 --> 00:25:28,080
part of it.

533
00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:32,480
And so a decision was made then

534
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:34,480
that didn't make it part of the house

535
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:36,880
because it was closer. It was still an

536
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:40,720
accessory building. So everything He got

537
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:44,240
in a a variance for for that accessory

538
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:47,360
building, not that that new garage now

539
00:25:47,360 --> 00:25:49,120
is part of the home because it's closer

540
00:25:49,120 --> 00:25:50,799
than 20 ft.

541
00:25:50,799 --> 00:25:52,640
>> So the same thing would apply just

542
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,600
unique to that whatever that setback 30

543
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:56,880
foot

544
00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:58,799
>> the 50 foot is still going to be

545
00:25:58,799 --> 00:26:02,159
enforced on on the side.

546
00:26:02,159 --> 00:26:04,320
>> Now unless they want to get a variance

547
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:06,400
try to get a variance for that too

548
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:08,799
>> at the at the same variance only applies

549
00:26:08,799 --> 00:26:11,039
to either the front side.

550
00:26:11,039 --> 00:26:13,360
>> What? Whatever that's written.

551
00:26:13,360 --> 00:26:14,240
>> Yeah.

552
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:15,520
>> Whatever they ask for.

553
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:18,630
>> Okay.

554
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:21,120
Question.

555
00:26:21,120 --> 00:26:25,840
>> Okay. So, um any other questions on on

556
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:27,679
that?

557
00:26:27,679 --> 00:26:31,110
Clear.

558
00:26:31,120 --> 00:26:35,510
» Good luck with that. [laughter]

559
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:39,200
Um 10 118 landscape features, fences,

560
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:41,760
walls, driveways, and covers.

561
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:45,029
Um

562
00:26:45,039 --> 00:26:49,279
the black is what's in place now. The

563
00:26:49,279 --> 00:26:50,880
red

564
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:54,159
is is what's being proposed.

565
00:26:54,159 --> 00:26:55,679
Um

566
00:26:55,679 --> 00:26:58,880
the essential changes to that

567
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:02,149
um

568
00:27:02,159 --> 00:27:03,520
are

569
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:08,799
the the publications and sections of or

570
00:27:08,799 --> 00:27:11,840
of swimming pool standards are being

571
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:15,279
added to this part of the ordinance.

572
00:27:15,279 --> 00:27:17,840
It's already in another part, but we

573
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:21,200
wanted to put it together.

574
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,000
So, it's word a little differently, but

575
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,720
that that's the main thing. The

576
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:29,520
enclosure, the very last sentence in the

577
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:33,360
red, the enclosure shall otherwise be

578
00:27:33,360 --> 00:27:36,159
constructed as described in US Consumer

579
00:27:36,159 --> 00:27:39,200
Product Safety Commission publication

580
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:42,559
362. And it also references another

581
00:27:42,559 --> 00:27:45,279
section on the swimming pools that we

582
00:27:45,279 --> 00:27:54,389
have in our code.

583
00:27:54,399 --> 00:28:10,710
Nice.

584
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,279
The uh 10

585
00:28:13,279 --> 00:28:17,520
11.14 recreational vehicle parking.

586
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:21,110
Um

587
00:28:21,120 --> 00:28:23,120
basically it's the last sentence in the

588
00:28:23,120 --> 00:28:24,399
red.

589
00:28:24,399 --> 00:28:28,559
that uh is to clarify and it's same as

590
00:28:28,559 --> 00:28:31,200
the secondary driveway.

591
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:35,279
>> Why can I ask that? Why are we adding

592
00:28:35,279 --> 00:28:38,880
that? I get if it's a motor home, but

593
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:41,440
we've got camping trailers and boats on

594
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:44,000
there that would not be spark causing.

595
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,320
People park their

596
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:47,909
I'm going to tell you, Mr.

597
00:28:47,909 --> 00:28:48,799
[clears throat] Code Enforcement

598
00:28:48,799 --> 00:28:50,640
Officer, you didn't hear this from me,

599
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:52,720
but in the winter time, I put my boat in

600
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:55,440
the yard. I put two

601
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:57,760
uh

602
00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:00,399
I've got two 2 by10s

603
00:29:00,399 --> 00:29:02,640
uh pressuret treated that I drive the

604
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:04,880
boat out into the I pull out into the

605
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:08,159
yard um and on on top of those pressuret

606
00:29:08,159 --> 00:29:10,799
treated so that it clears up my driveway

607
00:29:10,799 --> 00:29:12,880
for snow plowing in the winter because

608
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,760
it becomes a real mess with because I

609
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:17,200
got to have my side by side out there

610
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:18,799
and everything in the four-wheeler and

611
00:29:18,799 --> 00:29:20,159
everything else that needs to stay out

612
00:29:20,159 --> 00:29:24,720
there. Um, so I don't have any fear of a

613
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:26,720
boat in the winter time that's been

614
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:28,640
winterized going out into the yard

615
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:30,640
causing sparks. But I would be in

616
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:34,080
violation of this

617
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:36,720
yard is hard packed, but it's not uh it

618
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:38,320
doesn't have the

619
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:40,880
>> grow.

620
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:43,440
>> Well, I hard surface.

621
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:47,200
>> I But it's it doesn't say that.

622
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:48,799
Our current code doesn't say that. The

623
00:29:48,799 --> 00:29:51,360
current code just says it must meet the

624
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:53,760
setback standards,

625
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:54,799
which I do.

626
00:29:54,799 --> 00:29:56,720
>> You're correct.

627
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:59,120
>> So, the hardback surface, even though my

628
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:01,120
yard is at that point, is really hard

629
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:02,240
back

630
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:04,559
>> that was added by our fire chief.

631
00:30:04,559 --> 00:30:08,559
>> Um, that's where I I get it. But my

632
00:30:08,559 --> 00:30:11,120
boat's not going to start a fire. My

633
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:12,640
camping trailer, which I don't have

634
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:14,960
anybody's camping trailer. advocate as

635
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:17,440
you're pulling your boat or backing your

636
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:19,520
boat up in there, you're doing it with

637
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:21,360
probably a car or truck

638
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:21,760
>> and

639
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:25,360
>> but I drive my side by sides mowing the

640
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:27,600
grass out there, right? That's that's

641
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:29,440
part of what I have to do to maintain

642
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:30,559
the property.

643
00:30:30,559 --> 00:30:32,960
>> Um, and I know other people park their

644
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:33,679
>> I know

645
00:30:33,679 --> 00:30:35,840
>> they're and so we're I think this one's

646
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:37,760
going to cause a problem. get that. I

647
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:41,840
get the idea behind it, but I think that

648
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:45,200
unless it's a motorized

649
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:49,029
>> storage,

650
00:30:49,039 --> 00:30:50,080
» that's my opinion.

651
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:52,640
>> Okay. No, that's I think

652
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:54,720
>> I'm not going to be voting on Tuesday,

653
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:59,350
so [laughter]

654
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:02,870
» Yeah, [laughter]

655
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:04,960
» but I know that I I know lots of people

656
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:08,159
in town that actually park

657
00:31:08,159 --> 00:31:10,960
campers and stuff like that in, you

658
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:12,880
know, on the sidey yards and and things

659
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:15,120
like that like I do without it being a

660
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:16,480
compacted road base.

661
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:20,640
>> Okay, let let you all feel that that

662
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,840
same way. I can understand that.

663
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:25,200
>> We we can change this.

664
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:26,399
>> It just seems like a little bit

665
00:31:26,399 --> 00:31:29,039
overreaching

666
00:31:29,039 --> 00:31:31,520
>> with making them make a hard surface

667
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:35,039
just for a like an enclosed trailer or

668
00:31:35,039 --> 00:31:36,399
something like that.

669
00:31:36,399 --> 00:31:39,360
tent camper, anything like that.

670
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:44,470
>> Should we scratch that last sentence?

671
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:48,080
» You could add motorized vehicles must be

672
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:48,640
parked on

673
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,840
>> instead of a driveway or secondary

674
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:54,720
primary or secondary driveway surface

675
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:56,552
>> because that states that it

676
00:31:56,552 --> 00:31:57,360
[clears throat] must be clear. I don't

677
00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:03,830
know. That's one of my thoughts on

678
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,960
let's see. recreational vehicles.

679
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:08,240
>> Wayne's going to be over at my house

680
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:13,110
writing me tickets tomorrow. [laughter]

681
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:15,120
» So, the concern is a fire safety

682
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:15,840
concern. Is that

683
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:17,840
>> that was what?

684
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:20,799
>> So, if you're not parking a motorized

685
00:32:20,799 --> 00:32:22,480
vehicle in there, then yeah,

686
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:26,960
>> there's no point to having that extra

687
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:30,559
>> security of of a

688
00:32:30,559 --> 00:32:32,559
hard surface.

689
00:32:32,559 --> 00:32:36,710
uh

690
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:40,320
road base with a gravel overlay.

691
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:43,519
>> It could even just say motorized

692
00:32:43,519 --> 00:32:46,559
vehicles must be parked on hard

693
00:32:46,559 --> 00:32:50,640
surfaces, but roadbased

694
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,600
it be motorized recreational vehicles.

695
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:56,559
That that that would be

696
00:32:56,559 --> 00:33:04,230
in my mind.

697
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,159
Now clear it with Ted to make sure that

698
00:33:06,159 --> 00:33:08,159
was his intent is the motorized.

699
00:33:08,159 --> 00:33:09,760
>> I know. I talked to him about it.

700
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:11,760
>> Was it motorized?

701
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:12,240
>> Yeah.

702
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:15,039
>> Okay. That it's what I guessed, but I

703
00:33:15,039 --> 00:33:20,789
hate to speak for him though.

704
00:33:20,799 --> 00:33:22,880
I think you just change it to say that

705
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:24,399
at the very front. You're done.

706
00:33:24,399 --> 00:33:26,640
>> So,

707
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:29,919
wait is the proposal

708
00:33:29,919 --> 00:33:32,000
to keep

709
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,640
the the first sentence as is.

710
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:35,360
>> Yes.

711
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:37,279
>> And then add a central.

712
00:33:37,279 --> 00:33:39,919
>> Correct.

713
00:33:39,919 --> 00:33:42,399
So, they're they're subject to the same

714
00:33:42,399 --> 00:33:46,480
setback as an accessory building

715
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:51,750
and parking.

716
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:54,159
And that's already intended.

717
00:33:54,159 --> 00:33:56,080
>> Got it. Correct. That's already in.

718
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:57,279
>> So yeah, I think you're right. If you

719
00:33:57,279 --> 00:34:06,389
just add that little

720
00:34:06,399 --> 00:34:11,270
do that

721
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:12,560
» from the question.

722
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:13,119
>> No.

723
00:34:13,119 --> 00:34:14,560
>> Okay.

724
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:18,000
>> Because I think we are speaking out of

725
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:20,639
both sides of our mouth

726
00:34:20,639 --> 00:34:23,599
because in the black part

727
00:34:23,599 --> 00:34:26,480
it defines recreationality including

728
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:30,560
boats and camping trails and they can be

729
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:33,919
parked subject to sets.

730
00:34:33,919 --> 00:34:37,280
And then we say, "Oh, wait a minute.

731
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:40,159
Recreational vehicles must be parked on

732
00:34:40,159 --> 00:34:46,310
a hard surface with no vegetation."

733
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:48,399
Yes.

734
00:34:48,399 --> 00:34:50,480
>> And so on one hand we say you can park

735
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:52,879
the recreation vehicle anywhere as long

736
00:34:52,879 --> 00:34:56,320
as it's within the setback. And the next

737
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:59,440
one we said, oh wait a minute, no

738
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:01,680
recreation vehicles have to be on a hard

739
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:04,160
surface with no means. We're further

740
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:08,240
defining recreational vehicle parking.

741
00:35:08,240 --> 00:35:11,839
In the second paragraph,

742
00:35:11,839 --> 00:35:13,520
it says nothing about the surface

743
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:16,480
parking in the first paragraph, first

744
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:19,760
sentence. Then motorized vehicles can be

745
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:20,880
parked

746
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:22,960
>> but it can be parked in accordance with

747
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:25,839
the setback regulations like like it

748
00:35:25,839 --> 00:35:29,040
says. However,

749
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:31,440
maybe we need to put a however there but

750
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:33,359
they must be parked on a hard surface

751
00:35:33,359 --> 00:35:35,680
such as

752
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:37,680
so that distinguishes the recreational

753
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:40,790
vehicles.

754
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:42,640
» We're just saying motorized recreational

755
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:45,839
vehicles need to be on the hard surface.

756
00:35:45,839 --> 00:35:47,599
>> Well, not the boat saying that. Now,

757
00:35:47,599 --> 00:35:51,280
>> I know that's what that's what we

758
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:53,920
>> motorized recreational vehicles.

759
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:54,560
>> That was my

760
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:56,320
>> Well, they can be parked they can be

761
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:58,880
parked with the setback regulations, but

762
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:02,000
they also a motorized one has to be

763
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,960
parked on a hard surface

764
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:06,400
>> vegetation.

765
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:10,320
>> Correct. Free of all vegetation.

766
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:12,160
So that's the fire issue that

767
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:13,440
>> I understand

768
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:14,640
>> trying to address.

769
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:17,599
>> But that's that's the hangup

770
00:36:17,599 --> 00:36:21,200
that people are going to have.

771
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:24,000
>> Yes.

772
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:25,760
But that's the fire safety. That's the

773
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:26,480
reason it's there.

774
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:28,320
>> I understand. I understand.

775
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:34,550
>> So yeah,

776
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:41,829
the boat or camp trainer, not a problem.

777
00:36:41,839 --> 00:36:45,920
Well, yes and no.

778
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:49,760
I'm sorry, but motorboats

779
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:54,069
have a motor.

780
00:36:54,079 --> 00:37:00,150
They're a motorized recreation vehicle.

781
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:06,230
I see what you're saying.

782
00:37:06,240 --> 00:37:11,190
Self-propelled. [laughter]

783
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:12,880
No, it's a good it's a good

784
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:13,359
>> You're right.

785
00:37:13,359 --> 00:37:16,000
>> It's a good point. You're right.

786
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,560
>> So does you know the

787
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:20,240
>> I guess you're making

788
00:37:20,240 --> 00:37:21,920
>> making the assumption that it's not

789
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:22,880
going to be turned off.

790
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:24,400
>> You better drag a big hose if you're

791
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:26,000
firing.

792
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:27,520
>> That's

793
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:29,680
But the definition is there's there

794
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:31,440
probably need a better definition.

795
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:34,400
>> Yeah.

796
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:36,800
>> Self-propelled motorized vehicles. Well,

797
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:39,920
maybe we can say

798
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:44,240
wheel motorized recreational vehicles.

799
00:37:44,240 --> 00:37:45,520
Well,

800
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:47,200
>> a trailer.

801
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:49,599
>> Yeah,

802
00:37:49,599 --> 00:37:53,280
>> I don't know. It's a good point, Sean.

803
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:56,560
>> Maybe we need to let Ted

804
00:37:56,560 --> 00:38:02,870
>> think about that a little bit more.

805
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:06,240
» Well, we can do that. We can just that

806
00:38:06,240 --> 00:38:10,400
one then do we we talk to Ted further

807
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:11,760
about it and see what

808
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:13,119
>> he might want to change both those

809
00:38:13,119 --> 00:38:17,119
paragraphs and kind of make it all one.

810
00:38:17,119 --> 00:38:17,839
>> I think that

811
00:38:17,839 --> 00:38:19,680
>> I think he was getting rid of the black

812
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:22,320
and replacing it with the red. Is that

813
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:22,960
correct?

814
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:25,200
>> I don't

815
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:27,040
think Oh, you're adding a second

816
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:30,000
paragraph to that. Oh, okay.

817
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,079
>> I think that just needs one definition

818
00:38:32,079 --> 00:38:41,829
in one paragraph and then it wouldn't

819
00:38:41,839 --> 00:38:46,480
Well, we'll we'll table that and then I'll talk to Ted and then we'll put

820
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:48,960
that on September's

821
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:54,630
agenda. It's not

822
00:38:54,640 --> 00:39:01,589
um

823
00:39:01,599 --> 00:39:03,280
Okay. Okay. Then the residential

824
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:05,680
driveways and gates

825
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:10,390
under 10.11.20.

826
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:14,630
So what is being changed?

827
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:17,200
This what what is here is kind of a

828
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:20,950
preamble.

829
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:25,510
And then there's a section a

830
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:28,630
that's

831
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:33,030
the change.

832
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:36,000
And that's in red.

833
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:38,480
Then primary driveways are introduced

834
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:51,349
here as in the definition.

835
00:39:51,359 --> 00:40:00,390
This is the ordinance itself.

836
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:03,359
This is recap

837
00:40:03,359 --> 00:40:08,079
uh stating again the city standard and

838
00:40:08,079 --> 00:40:10,079
we wanted to have it all kind of all

839
00:40:10,079 --> 00:40:13,839
together under the driveway

840
00:40:13,839 --> 00:40:16,720
this driveway section. This is said

841
00:40:16,720 --> 00:40:18,880
elsewhere and I believe it's a

842
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:22,240
development construction standards gives

843
00:40:22,240 --> 00:40:26,000
us detail about the slope.

844
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:30,240
2% slope for 3 ft.

845
00:40:30,240 --> 00:40:31,839
Um

846
00:40:31,839 --> 00:40:33,440
so they are talking about load

847
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:35,280
capacities. So there must be some sort

848
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:38,720
of a standard or there must be some like

849
00:40:38,720 --> 00:40:41,440
for asphalt there's eight and three or

850
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:44,800
there's something like that. There's got

851
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:46,320
Why would we talk about the load

852
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:53,510
capacities

853
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:56,400
» just have to do with culverts?

854
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:58,720
>> It says the primary drivers are designed

855
00:40:58,720 --> 00:41:00,240
and construction accordance with

856
00:41:00,240 --> 00:41:01,920
portable standards including drainage

857
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:08,230
and load capacities.

858
00:41:08,240 --> 00:41:10,400
» So there should be some sort of asphalt

859
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:14,950
standard I think.

860
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:20,150
That's another good question.

861
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:22,000
» I don't remember I don't remember that

862
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:23,119
looking at that

863
00:41:23,119 --> 00:41:24,720
>> because I was going to put in an asphalt

864
00:41:24,720 --> 00:41:26,800
driveway and then I was like I changed

865
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:30,400
my mind and did the concrete but

866
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:33,920
>> I don't remember a standard

867
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:35,680
or

868
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:43,670
one load capacity for the asphalt.

869
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:45,920
I know there's a drainage standard. The

870
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:49,680
drainage standard is the driveway

871
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:51,440
water. The driveway can't go on the

872
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:52,480
neighbor's law,

873
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:55,839
>> right? Yeah. Has to go into this,

874
00:41:55,839 --> 00:42:03,078
>> but I don't know about the load capacity

875
00:42:03,088 --> 00:42:03,680
[laughter]

876
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:10,069
>> except for

877
00:42:10,079 --> 00:42:11,920
That was on

878
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:16,950
record.

879
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:19,200
Um,

880
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:22,240
let's do this

881
00:42:22,240 --> 00:42:23,680
just to move this forward. Let's leave

882
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:25,520
load capacity out.

883
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:28,960
>> This is including drainage and then just

884
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:30,480
end.

885
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:32,160
Yeah.

886
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:37,349
>> And I'll talk to about

887
00:42:37,359 --> 00:42:39,359
» Is there a reason you pulled applicable

888
00:42:39,359 --> 00:42:43,270
engineering standards.

889
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:45,200
» Um,

890
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:46,160
where's that at?

891
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:48,640
>> So, on the very first page 10, it says,

892
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:50,720
"Drive shall be designed." Yeah, in the

893
00:42:50,720 --> 00:42:50,960
black.

894
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:51,920
>> It's black. So,

895
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:53,119
>> constructed in accordance with

896
00:42:53,119 --> 00:42:55,119
applicable engineering standards,

897
00:42:55,119 --> 00:42:57,599
including drainage, low capacity. And

898
00:42:57,599 --> 00:42:59,200
then we have primary driveway shall be

899
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:00,720
designed and constructed in accordance

900
00:43:00,720 --> 00:43:03,040
with applicable standards, including

901
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:05,760
drainage and low capacity. I was just

902
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:08,160
curious if

903
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:09,839
Sometimes engineering is a get out of

904
00:43:09,839 --> 00:43:11,440
jail free card kind of thing.

905
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:14,000
>> Now, see, we've we've we've removed the

906
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:15,599
engineering

907
00:43:15,599 --> 00:43:18,319
from the from the red.

908
00:43:18,319 --> 00:43:20,400
>> Yeah, that's what I was curious about.

909
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:21,119
So, I don't know.

910
00:43:21,119 --> 00:43:22,640
>> Black's going to disappear on this one.

911
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:24,000
All this stuff in the black is going to

912
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:24,319
disappear.

913
00:43:24,319 --> 00:43:25,839
>> Yeah, that all goes away and red's the

914
00:43:25,839 --> 00:43:27,680
new

915
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:30,240
>> So, we've removed the engineering

916
00:43:30,240 --> 00:43:32,720
standards, whatever those are.

917
00:43:32,720 --> 00:43:34,640
>> Yeah, that's what I was curious about.

918
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:38,470
>> I know what those are.

919
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:44,640
And that that may have been Ted's hand

920
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:48,720
scratching through a drive.

921
00:43:48,720 --> 00:43:52,240
>> So it's not applicable anymore.

922
00:43:52,240 --> 00:43:54,400
>> And the second paragraph, should that

923
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:57,359
just be primary driveways?

924
00:43:57,359 --> 00:43:59,440
Because in your driveway definition, it

925
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:03,040
doesn't have the

926
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:06,240
>> This whole thing is primary driveways.

927
00:44:06,240 --> 00:44:08,000
Oh, I see. Primary drive.

928
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:13,430
>> Oh, okay.

929
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:16,560
» But so is a just going to be p about

930
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:17,440
primary drive.

931
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:17,839
>> Yes,

932
00:44:17,839 --> 00:44:18,800
>> I got you.

933
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:20,400
>> Semicolon in front.

934
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:23,680
>> Okay. Primary driveways stock chubby

935
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:36,950
design.

936
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:46,950
Okay, so that was 10.

937
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:49,280
So with a couple of these changes that

938
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:51,280
we

939
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:54,880
made, we're going to table 10 114 for

940
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:57,760
the time being to get better

941
00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:00,720
clarification on that.

942
00:45:00,720 --> 00:45:08,790
But the other ones

943
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:11,920
And we're taking out load capacity

944
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:20,710
on 10 1120.

945
00:45:20,720 --> 00:45:24,079
So for those

946
00:45:24,079 --> 00:45:26,560
with those changes,

947
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:29,920
I'd take a motion

948
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:40,710
with the changes in title 10.

949
00:45:40,720 --> 00:45:44,710
enough to try it.

950
00:45:44,720 --> 00:45:52,790
» I'm new here, so I can just stand.

951
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:55,359
» Are there any other changes or that you

952
00:45:55,359 --> 00:45:55,680
want?

953
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:58,400
>> I'll make a motion to

954
00:45:58,400 --> 00:45:59,920
propose

955
00:45:59,920 --> 00:46:03,440
the new definitions.

956
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:06,079
10.2

957
00:46:06,079 --> 00:46:09,510
8.5

958
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:13,680
table 11.14

959
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:17,040
but keeping 10.11

960
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:21,109
about 10.4.7

961
00:46:21,119 --> 00:46:24,000
» where was that page started at the

962
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:25,040
>> certificate of occupation.

963
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:27,680
>> Okay. Yeah. And 10 points

964
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:30,319
>> and that.

965
00:46:30,319 --> 00:46:32,640
>> Okay. Thanks. You're welcome.

966
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:34,640
>> We got to do this a lot. So,

967
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:41,829
>> motion. Is there a second?

968
00:46:41,839 --> 00:46:44,560
» I'll second back. Can I do that?

969
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:45,599
>> Yeah.

970
00:46:45,599 --> 00:46:47,119
>> I'm okay with all that.

971
00:46:47,119 --> 00:46:50,480
>> That's why you're here.

972
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:52,640
>> I can't.

973
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:53,440
>> Okay.

974
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:57,280
>> You can. I can't. Oh, your city council

975
00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:00,079
>> just all his pawns.

976
00:47:00,079 --> 00:47:01,760
He's an observer and a commenter.

977
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:02,480
>> No, that's great.

978
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:04,800
>> I do comment.

979
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:06,000
>> Yep.

980
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:09,119
>> Okay, moving over to 11.

981
00:47:09,119 --> 00:47:10,400
>> You get a vote.

982
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:13,920
>> Oh, I'm sorry. Thank you. All in favor?

983
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:16,640
>> I Any opposed?

984
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:19,750
>> Okay.

985
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:24,042
» Now, got his hands.

986
00:47:24,042 --> 00:47:27,190
[laughter]

987
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:29,937
>> He didn't say no.

988
00:47:29,937 --> 00:47:31,440
>> [laughter]

989
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:35,760
>> Um, title 11, Mike, for your

990
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:39,760
information, is our subdivision code

991
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:41,440
um

992
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:45,520
application and uh certain parts that

993
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:47,680
pertain to

994
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:51,119
um a subdivision.

995
00:47:51,119 --> 00:47:54,880
Um at the beginning of the year, there

996
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:57,839
were major changes to our subdivision

997
00:47:57,839 --> 00:47:59,280
ordinance.

998
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:02,880
where the responsibility for it was

999
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:05,440
transferred from the city council to the

1000
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:08,240
planning commission or state code.

1001
00:48:08,240 --> 00:48:09,119
>> Yeah.

1002
00:48:09,119 --> 00:48:14,560
>> So the city council doesn't have

1003
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:16,640
anything else to do. We keep them

1004
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:19,920
informed of where things are at with

1005
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:22,400
different subdivisions, but all of the

1006
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:25,760
review and approvals are with the

1007
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:28,400
planning commission.

1008
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:33,119
So, as we've gone through the the new

1009
00:48:33,119 --> 00:48:37,760
ordinance, we found a few places that

1010
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:42,000
um city council got left included

1011
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:46,800
in in the ordinance and it

1012
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:49,440
the planning commission needs to be

1013
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:50,480
>> in place.

1014
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:53,200
>> That's all there is.

1015
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:55,680
>> I did too.

1016
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:57,760
>> A million of these.

1017
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:01,760
right kind of towards the end all these

1018
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:05,589
uh planning commission

1019
00:49:05,599 --> 00:49:07,599
city council

1020
00:49:07,599 --> 00:49:14,079
things. So that is what these

1021
00:49:14,079 --> 00:49:16,240
all these changes are is just putting

1022
00:49:16,240 --> 00:49:19,119
planning commission in place of city

1023
00:49:19,119 --> 00:49:27,430
council.

1024
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:31,760
I move that we approve the change

1025
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:35,839
in title 11 to eliminate city council

1026
00:49:35,839 --> 00:49:38,880
and replace it with planning commission.

1027
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:46,470
>> Okay, I'll second it.

1028
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:48,640
» All in favor?

1029
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:58,230
>> Any oppose?

1030
00:49:58,240 --> 00:50:02,400
Now moving on to item 10.

1031
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:05,359
This approval of Summer Creek G1B final

1032
00:50:05,359 --> 00:50:09,040
plat for recording

1033
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:11,680
successful final inspection of

1034
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:13,760
improvements and verification of dated

1035
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:16,880
water rights and bonding.

1036
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:19,760
Um there's some other criteria. the big

1037
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:24,400
the 11 by7 sheet on your

1038
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:27,200
table there is

1039
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:29,760
this will be this is a draft it's not a

1040
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:33,920
final but that's what it looks like um

1041
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:36,880
this goes this starts at the end of

1042
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:38,640
Eagle Nest

1043
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:41,920
>> and uh continues on around and then

1044
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:46,240
comes over onto uh South Loper Drive

1045
00:50:46,240 --> 00:50:49,750
which then ties into Summit

1046
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:53,280
So, just to refresh your memory, um, a

1047
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:54,880
number of months ago, we approved the

1048
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:58,880
addition of lot 237

1049
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:02,720
to this particular plat. It was going to

1050
00:51:02,720 --> 00:51:05,359
be on a future plat, but they decided to

1051
00:51:05,359 --> 00:51:09,359
incorporate it here. So, their original

1052
00:51:09,359 --> 00:51:13,200
uh plat got amended to include lot 237

1053
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:16,880
in it. So, there's a total of 16 lots

1054
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:20,800
here. Uh quite a bit of open space.

1055
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:22,880
Um

1056
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:25,839
we've had some uh

1057
00:51:25,839 --> 00:51:28,079
um a few revisions

1058
00:51:28,079 --> 00:51:41,040
to it, but uh I think we're good to go. Now, there's some conditions that I

1059
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:46,240
are that are mentioned on here and um

1060
00:51:46,240 --> 00:51:49,280
there's a couple others as well. There's

1061
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:51,359
a final let's see does it have final

1062
00:51:51,359 --> 00:51:54,000
Yeah, final inspection that has to take

1063
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:58,559
place yet. Uh there's been some final

1064
00:51:58,559 --> 00:52:00,240
inspections

1065
00:52:00,240 --> 00:52:03,520
but not all of them. So those are

1066
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:05,040
anticipated

1067
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:08,240
possibly to be done tomorrow.

1068
00:52:08,240 --> 00:52:12,640
Um but our approval would be based on

1069
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:15,520
those being done and

1070
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:18,319
uh satisfactory

1071
00:52:18,319 --> 00:52:23,349
um

1072
00:52:23,359 --> 00:52:27,280
inspection done. Um, I'll report to you

1073
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:29,920
that the water shares

1074
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:34,559
uh have been deed to the city and so uh

1075
00:52:34,559 --> 00:52:37,440
the water shares are covered

1076
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:39,200
um

1077
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:42,400
with uh with what they've deeded to the

1078
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:44,880
city for that subdivision for each of

1079
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:46,640
those lots.

1080
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:50,150
Um

1081
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:57,119
but and we do have already a durability

1082
00:52:57,119 --> 00:52:59,760
um

1083
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:01,280
deposit

1084
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:05,760
for them. How that works, Mike, is uh

1085
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:07,200
and you may be familiar with some of

1086
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:11,440
this doing u construction yourself, but

1087
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:14,640
their durability will cover a one year's

1088
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:18,559
period of the infrastructure

1089
00:53:18,559 --> 00:53:23,119
work that's been done. And um one thing

1090
00:53:23,119 --> 00:53:25,040
that

1091
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:27,839
we need to further talk about up to now

1092
00:53:27,839 --> 00:53:30,720
we have not included a durability for

1093
00:53:30,720 --> 00:53:32,880
the private roads.

1094
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:40,400
U but our attorney has suggested that we do that. Um

1095
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:44,240
because the roads are

1096
00:53:44,240 --> 00:53:46,240
two things. There are they are critical.

1097
00:53:46,240 --> 00:53:50,800
They are a fire lane to the homes plus

1098
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:55,680
they are they cover the utilities

1099
00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:56,319
and [clears throat]

1100
00:53:56,319 --> 00:53:58,559
uh both of those are critical and we

1101
00:53:58,559 --> 00:54:04,559
want to make sure that that the the road

1102
00:54:04,559 --> 00:54:07,839
for a year meets that durability

1103
00:54:07,839 --> 00:54:10,319
for those purposes.

1104
00:54:10,319 --> 00:54:13,839
And the state code, it gives a city an

1105
00:54:13,839 --> 00:54:18,160
option to cover it or not cover it. But

1106
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:22,640
it it it allows coverage when

1107
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:26,160
those when the private property, in this

1108
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:30,720
case, roads are are are the fire lanes

1109
00:54:30,720 --> 00:54:34,480
that would be used to access as well as

1110
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:37,280
the protection they're giving to the

1111
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:40,079
water and sewer lines.

1112
00:54:40,079 --> 00:54:41,200
Um

1113
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:43,200
>> yeah because those are directly impact

1114
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:44,480
the city right so

1115
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:47,760
>> they are so

1116
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:49,440
Bucky I think is probably hearing this

1117
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:52,559
for the first time [laughter]

1118
00:54:52,559 --> 00:54:57,040
but they've got they their deposit does

1119
00:54:57,040 --> 00:55:00,480
cover everything else the ditches and

1120
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:03,520
the other infrastructure work that

1121
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:07,520
they've done plus the inspections now at

1122
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:09,440
the end of this year's period

1123
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:11,599
There'll be another inspection to make

1124
00:55:11,599 --> 00:55:15,520
sure that everything is holding up and

1125
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:17,440
um

1126
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:23,520
and that includes the inspections that may be done and then that money

1127
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:24,480
will be returned to

1128
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:25,599
>> Is this a bond?

1129
00:55:25,599 --> 00:55:26,000
>> It is.

1130
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:27,440
a bond. Okay. That's what I that's

1131
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:29,680
what I thought we did typically.

1132
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:31,280
>> Um I remember talking about it with

1133
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:31,920
bills. So

1134
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:33,520
>> yeah, it can be in three. It can be a

1135
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:34,079
cash

1136
00:55:34,079 --> 00:55:34,559
>> y

1137
00:55:34,559 --> 00:55:36,559
>> cash if they want or there's two other

1138
00:55:36,559 --> 00:55:40,079
means of doing doing the bonding.

1139
00:55:40,079 --> 00:55:42,480
>> If you guys haven't, I would I during

1140
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:43,760
the Fourth of July when we were

1141
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:45,200
patrolling, I took a fire truck down

1142
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:47,200
there because we had some kids who went

1143
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:49,680
and park. Um boy, there's some gorgeous

1144
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:52,480
lots. Bucky, you've got some incredible

1145
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:56,319
lots in this. It's fantastic. I love it

1146
00:55:56,319 --> 00:55:57,839
down there. Love what you guys did with

1147
00:55:57,839 --> 00:56:02,240
the road. Um it's, you know, makes me

1148
00:56:02,240 --> 00:56:03,359
jealous.

1149
00:56:03,359 --> 00:56:04,799
>> Oh, thank you.

1150
00:56:04,799 --> 00:56:07,040
>> Fantastic. I I really like some of those

1151
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:08,400
lock stuff. They're going to be

1152
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:09,359
gorgeous.

1153
00:56:09,359 --> 00:56:11,920
>> There was to share with you. There was

1154
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:14,160
some a little bit of concern

1155
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:18,000
>> with the um

1156
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:21,760
with the road slope and um

1157
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:23,040
>> some steep there.

1158
00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:25,680
>> It is, but we went out and checked it

1159
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:29,760
today and it it just qualifies.

1160
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:30,400
>> So, it's good.

1161
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:32,160
>> I think the S's helped that out. I think

1162
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:34,240
the curbs in there. they would have had

1163
00:56:34,240 --> 00:56:35,119
a hard time.

1164
00:56:35,119 --> 00:56:37,920
>> Yeah, it but it it's beautiful. It is an

1165
00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:40,799
absolute beautiful area section of of

1166
00:56:40,799 --> 00:56:42,480
Summit Creek.

1167
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:46,480
>> So, those are conditions that I would uh

1168
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:52,559
suggest that we place on the on it. And

1169
00:56:52,559 --> 00:56:54,559
um

1170
00:56:54,559 --> 00:56:57,119
and also we've we've gone back and forth

1171
00:56:57,119 --> 00:57:00,319
with Summit Creek a little bit on some

1172
00:57:00,319 --> 00:57:04,400
additions and changes to the myar where

1173
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:07,520
we found it lacking and had some wrong

1174
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:10,720
information and uh we haven't they're

1175
00:57:10,720 --> 00:57:13,040
doing a final one and I think you're

1176
00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:14,720
going to deliver it tomorrow, Bucky. Is

1177
00:57:14,720 --> 00:57:17,359
that right?

1178
00:57:17,359 --> 00:57:19,440
>> Correct. Yeah, I'll be up there in the

1179
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:23,359
morning with it. Okay. So when we get

1180
00:57:23,359 --> 00:57:26,880
that, Jody, our practice has been

1181
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:29,680
um Jody will take a picture of it and

1182
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:32,240
send that picture to the recorder's

1183
00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:34,880
office and they'll do a preliminary

1184
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:39,040
review and and they've told us that

1185
00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:42,640
they'll get those back to us within 24

1186
00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:45,359
hours, hopefully sooner, but they've

1187
00:57:45,359 --> 00:57:47,839
told us verbally that they'll have that

1188
00:57:47,839 --> 00:57:50,160
back to us in that that kind of time

1189
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:52,319
frame, depending on how busy they are.

1190
00:57:52,319 --> 00:57:54,720
It could come back to us tomorrow

1191
00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:57,200
afternoon. I don't know. And there's no

1192
00:57:57,200 --> 00:58:00,240
guarantee on on a timeline other than

1193
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:02,240
they've told us they'll try to get those

1194
00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:04,880
back within 24 hours. And that's kind of

1195
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:09,280
a preliminary look at it, making doing

1196
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:14,960
all their checks and everything. And we think we've got it so that there

1197
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:17,040
won't be any problems with it. That's

1198
00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:20,400
always our goal. So Jody will be sending

1199
00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:23,680
that uh that picture down to recorders

1200
00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:29,520
tomorrow and and that's and then

1201
00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:33,119
um Ed's planning on doing the final

1202
00:58:33,119 --> 00:58:36,400
inspection providing that there there

1203
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:41,040
may be a problem with a PRV valve and

1204
00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:42,640
they're supposed to be able to get into

1205
00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:44,640
that tomorrow

1206
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:46,799
and we haven't been able to do a water

1207
00:58:46,799 --> 00:58:50,319
test yet because of possibly

1208
00:58:50,319 --> 00:58:53,920
malfunctioning PRV valve. So, that needs

1209
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:57,520
to be done. Also, if there's a problem,

1210
00:58:57,520 --> 00:58:59,680
this may take a couple of days to get

1211
00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:03,520
corrected. I don't know. That's Ted's

1212
00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:06,400
stuff, but u we haven't checked the

1213
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:08,640
water yet to make sure everything is

1214
00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:10,799
fine with it. So, those are the

1215
00:59:10,799 --> 00:59:12,960
conditions, but I didn't want to have to

1216
00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:16,000
wait another 30 days to for this all to

1217
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:19,440
come back to us. So I'm suggesting that

1218
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:22,400
we approve it with with those conditions

1219
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:25,200
being favorable when when the results

1220
00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:29,200
are back to us. So we won't we won't see

1221
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:32,559
this again if you're all uh copathetic

1222
00:59:32,559 --> 00:59:38,640
with that. Um, another thing I want to check with you all here because this

1223
00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:41,760
is kind of a a new thing of of your

1224
00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:44,000
views on

1225
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:47,040
um, including

1226
00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:50,960
as recommended by our attorney

1227
00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:52,640
the

1228
00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:57,599
bonding of the road for the year period.

1229
00:59:57,599 --> 01:00:00,240
Um, in light of

1230
01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:03,280
it's our fire lane to those homes and

1231
01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:06,079
that's uh covering up the utility

1232
01:00:06,079 --> 01:00:07,920
infrastructure

1233
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:12,240
uh which of course is critical to

1234
01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:16,240
do any of you oppose having that part of

1235
01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:19,599
the bonding that we're going to be

1236
01:00:19,599 --> 01:00:26,150
seeking to have that included

1237
01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:27,200
standard

1238
01:00:27,200 --> 01:00:30,400
>> with it. Okay.

1239
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:32,160
Lucky, do you have anything to add to

1240
01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:34,720
what I've said?

1241
01:00:34,720 --> 01:00:36,960
>> Yeah. So, I'm not sure I follow. Are you

1242
01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:38,640
saying you're going to require us to do

1243
01:00:38,640 --> 01:00:43,589
additional bonding to record this?

1244
01:00:43,599 --> 01:00:45,119
» Yes.

1245
01:00:45,119 --> 01:00:48,079
I don't we'll I think we'll give we'll

1246
01:00:48,079 --> 01:00:50,799
give you time to put that together, but

1247
01:00:50,799 --> 01:00:54,480
there will and

1248
01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:57,040
I'll I'll recommend that we with

1249
01:00:57,040 --> 01:00:58,799
everything else that's done, we'll go

1250
01:00:58,799 --> 01:01:01,760
ahead and report it and then give you

1251
01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:04,640
time to put together that added amount

1252
01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:07,599
of bonding for the roads

1253
01:01:07,599 --> 01:01:08,400
after.

1254
01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:09,839
>> Yeah.

1255
01:01:09,839 --> 01:01:12,880
I mean, this is our this is probably our

1256
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:16,079
fifth or sixth road we've built, and

1257
01:01:16,079 --> 01:01:19,760
this is this will be a first. And I

1258
01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:21,200
mean, we just have not planned

1259
01:01:21,200 --> 01:01:23,440
financially,

1260
01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:25,920
you know, for that with this road.

1261
01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:29,280
That's that's a that's a hard pill to

1262
01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:31,920
swallow, you know, at the at the finish

1263
01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:36,079
line with the road. Hey, Bucky.

1264
01:01:36,079 --> 01:01:40,720
>> Typically, it the general the contractor

1265
01:01:40,720 --> 01:01:43,200
on the record gives a one-year

1266
01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:45,839
durability warranty.

1267
01:01:45,839 --> 01:01:47,200
Could that be something that's

1268
01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:50,319
acceptable instead of an actual bond? I

1269
01:01:50,319 --> 01:01:52,160
don't know why

1270
01:01:52,160 --> 01:01:54,400
depending on because that's typically

1271
01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:54,960
what it is.

1272
01:01:54,960 --> 01:01:57,200
>> Yeah. One one year warranty on any

1273
01:01:57,200 --> 01:01:58,640
workmanship that you've done,

1274
01:01:58,640 --> 01:01:59,440
>> right?

1275
01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:00,720
>> Um

1276
01:02:00,720 --> 01:02:01,599
>> Yeah.

1277
01:02:01,599 --> 01:02:04,160
I They're going to that is that

1278
01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:06,400
something that they could we never

1279
01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:08,559
copied the city onto it necessarily that

1280
01:02:08,559 --> 01:02:10,480
I know of but it's always just owners

1281
01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:10,720
but

1282
01:02:10,720 --> 01:02:12,480
>> well it would go to the owner the only

1283
01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:12,960
thing here

1284
01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:15,200
>> the owner has to basically take care of

1285
01:02:15,200 --> 01:02:16,720
any problems within that year period

1286
01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:17,920
anyway.

1287
01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:18,559
>> Yeah.

1288
01:02:18,559 --> 01:02:21,760
>> It would only be if if Summit Creek went

1289
01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:23,760
under, right? If if the the

1290
01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:24,880
>> that's your risk.

1291
01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:26,240
right? which I don't

1292
01:02:26,240 --> 01:02:28,160
know anything about some creek, but

1293
01:02:28,160 --> 01:02:28,559
>> yeah,

1294
01:02:28,559 --> 01:02:30,160
>> if you're not concerned about that, then

1295
01:02:30,160 --> 01:02:32,400
a warranty should satisfy any

1296
01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:34,640
obligations that the bond would do as

1297
01:02:34,640 --> 01:02:35,200
well.

1298
01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:37,359
>> Well, we could ask and Bucky, you could

1299
01:02:37,359 --> 01:02:38,960
ask your contractor if they're willing

1300
01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:42,000
to list the city as well with you. I

1301
01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:43,200
don't know if they would be willing to

1302
01:02:43,200 --> 01:02:45,760
do that or not, but

1303
01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:47,599
>> Well, we actually that's that's a good

1304
01:02:47,599 --> 01:02:50,960
thought. Wait, Ted has actually um on

1305
01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:55,920
non-private roads, Ted has actually um

1306
01:02:55,920 --> 01:02:59,200
has required that and it was not with

1307
01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:01,119
this contractor. It was a it was with a

1308
01:03:01,119 --> 01:03:06,799
different contractor and they they did a one a one-year warranty on on the

1309
01:03:06,799 --> 01:03:08,400
road.

1310
01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:08,960
So

1311
01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:13,119
>> you know if you have on this road or not

1312
01:03:13,119 --> 01:03:15,520
>> should have it on everything

1313
01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:18,480
>> to some warranty to you guys.

1314
01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:20,240
>> That's a I think it's a

1315
01:03:20,240 --> 01:03:21,520
>> Yeah.

1316
01:03:21,520 --> 01:03:24,079
I mean I I

1317
01:03:24,079 --> 01:03:26,720
>> contract it is.

1318
01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:30,960
>> Yeah. I'm sure it's in our contract.

1319
01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:32,960
>> Okay. Let's see what we can work out

1320
01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:35,599
through that mechanism.

1321
01:03:35,599 --> 01:03:36,799
>> Okay.

1322
01:03:36,799 --> 01:03:39,680
If the lawyer will buy into that.

1323
01:03:39,680 --> 01:03:42,319
>> I think I think they will.

1324
01:03:42,319 --> 01:03:44,000
We've had quite a bit of discussion with

1325
01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:45,119
them and so forth.

1326
01:03:45,119 --> 01:03:46,880
>> He's the one that truly brought up the

1327
01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:49,280
bonding, right?

1328
01:03:49,280 --> 01:03:51,119
>> Uh the lawyer that brought up the

1329
01:03:51,119 --> 01:03:51,760
bonding.

1330
01:03:51,760 --> 01:03:53,920
>> Yeah.

1331
01:03:53,920 --> 01:03:56,240
>> So, okay.

1332
01:03:56,240 --> 01:03:57,920
>> And [clears throat] that that'll that'll

1333
01:03:57,920 --> 01:03:59,839
only cover their workmanship. If you

1334
01:03:59,839 --> 01:04:02,480
have an act of God or a flood or a fire,

1335
01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:04,160
it's not going to cover that. Yeah, the

1336
01:04:04,160 --> 01:04:05,200
cover that

1337
01:04:05,200 --> 01:04:09,599
>> and maybe something to add to

1338
01:04:09,599 --> 01:04:11,280
um

1339
01:04:11,280 --> 01:04:14,880
contract development contracts that has

1340
01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:17,440
the city assigned if if there's a

1341
01:04:17,440 --> 01:04:19,039
failure, you know, if there's a

1342
01:04:19,039 --> 01:04:20,559
something like that when you're when you

1343
01:04:20,559 --> 01:04:23,119
have these developer contracts,

1344
01:04:23,119 --> 01:04:24,960
that that could be an option, too. So

1345
01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:26,799
the city get would automatically get

1346
01:04:26,799 --> 01:04:29,680
assigned those warranties

1347
01:04:29,680 --> 01:04:32,960
upon, you know, if the if the the the

1348
01:04:32,960 --> 01:04:36,480
builder went under um which we've seen,

1349
01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:38,720
right? I mean, we've seen that. And to

1350
01:04:38,720 --> 01:04:42,480
have that in our in our contracts would

1351
01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:43,200
be

1352
01:04:43,200 --> 01:04:45,359
>> Yeah, we have an agreement and that

1353
01:04:45,359 --> 01:04:46,480
could be added to

1354
01:04:46,480 --> 01:04:47,839
>> Exactly. That's what I That's what I

1355
01:04:47,839 --> 01:04:50,000
mean. The agreement um and and could be

1356
01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:52,400
added in the future. I get that BIES is

1357
01:04:52,400 --> 01:04:53,760
there. You know, we've we've had that

1358
01:04:53,760 --> 01:04:56,319
for a long time, but um in the future,

1359
01:04:56,319 --> 01:04:57,760
we could just you could start adding

1360
01:04:57,760 --> 01:04:59,760
that to those developer agreements to

1361
01:04:59,760 --> 01:05:01,440
say

1362
01:05:01,440 --> 01:05:04,640
>> legally that those warranties will go

1363
01:05:04,640 --> 01:05:06,559
will will transfer to the city in case

1364
01:05:06,559 --> 01:05:07,359
of default.

1365
01:05:07,359 --> 01:05:08,400
>> Yeah,

1366
01:05:08,400 --> 01:05:12,160
>> I think he's as good as

1367
01:05:12,160 --> 01:05:13,280
>> Yeah. In essence, that's

1368
01:05:13,280 --> 01:05:15,680
>> that's what the bond is. That's right.

1369
01:05:15,680 --> 01:05:16,480
It's a guarantee.

1370
01:05:16,480 --> 01:05:21,270
>> That's just a durability. Yep.

1371
01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:25,920
Yeah. I mean, this is the best contractor we've worked

1372
01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:28,640
with yet, and I can't imagine he he's

1373
01:05:28,640 --> 01:05:30,960
going to have any issues with that.

1374
01:05:30,960 --> 01:05:33,440
>> Yeah.

1375
01:05:33,440 --> 01:05:35,839
>> Is that Rhino?

1376
01:05:35,839 --> 01:05:41,359
>> No. No. This is RB Construction. They're uh they're Spanish fork company

1377
01:05:41,359 --> 01:05:44,319
and they do a lot of work around around

1378
01:05:44,319 --> 01:05:47,520
the Spanish fork pacing, you know,

1379
01:05:47,520 --> 01:05:49,280
Elkridge, Salem, the whole the whole

1380
01:05:49,280 --> 01:05:50,400
area.

1381
01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:53,430
>> Okay.

1382
01:05:53,440 --> 01:05:56,000
So,

1383
01:05:56,000 --> 01:05:59,200
>> any other questions on that? I I I guess

1384
01:05:59,200 --> 01:06:02,079
I'd suggest that we approve it

1385
01:06:02,079 --> 01:06:04,559
conditionally with those items that I've

1386
01:06:04,559 --> 01:06:07,359
mentioned and then as those items get

1387
01:06:07,359 --> 01:06:10,799
done and completed then it doesn't come

1388
01:06:10,799 --> 01:06:15,520
back to us again it be recorded and

1389
01:06:15,520 --> 01:06:18,480
that part taken care of that part then

1390
01:06:18,480 --> 01:06:21,359
so what we'll have is the bonding

1391
01:06:21,359 --> 01:06:24,880
durability bond inspection bond and

1392
01:06:24,880 --> 01:06:26,640
those that will continue then through

1393
01:06:26,640 --> 01:06:34,710
this next year of durability period.

1394
01:06:34,720 --> 01:06:37,760
I'll make a motion then I guess to

1395
01:06:37,760 --> 01:06:39,760
approve

1396
01:06:39,760 --> 01:06:43,520
G1-B final plaque

1397
01:06:43,520 --> 01:06:46,000
with the stipulations

1398
01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:46,960
the conditions

1399
01:06:46,960 --> 01:06:49,920
>> the conditions that are existing

1400
01:06:49,920 --> 01:06:52,960
that need to be taken care of.

1401
01:06:52,960 --> 01:07:06,150
>> All right there second. Okay.

1402
01:07:06,160 --> 01:07:08,400
All in favor? I

1403
01:07:08,400 --> 01:07:09,200
>> I.

1404
01:07:09,200 --> 01:07:11,920
>> Any opposed?

1405
01:07:11,920 --> 01:07:15,200
Right. Good.

1406
01:07:15,200 --> 01:07:17,200
>> I'm going to drop off. Thank you.

1407
01:07:17,200 --> 01:07:19,039
>> Okay, Bucky. Thank you.

1408
01:07:19,039 --> 01:07:23,589
>> Thank you.

1409
01:07:23,599 --> 01:07:29,829
Item 11, status report on Belleview.

1410
01:07:29,839 --> 01:07:32,531
What could go wrong has gone wrong.

1411
01:07:32,531 --> 01:07:35,910
[laughter]

1412
01:07:35,920 --> 01:07:41,119
This is a there's a sheet,

1413
01:07:41,119 --> 01:07:44,079
four sheets there that kind of orient

1414
01:07:44,079 --> 01:07:50,240
you a little bit. Um, this was a

1415
01:07:50,240 --> 01:07:51,920
pin

1416
01:07:51,920 --> 01:07:54,160
lot subdivision

1417
01:07:54,160 --> 01:07:58,319
lots one and two are are done and over.

1418
01:07:58,319 --> 01:08:01,839
got the final those been recorded and so

1419
01:08:01,839 --> 01:08:04,160
they're not part of

1420
01:08:04,160 --> 01:08:08,319
the rest of three through eight

1421
01:08:08,319 --> 01:08:15,990
when when this got

1422
01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:20,159
the people who originally proposed this

1423
01:08:20,159 --> 01:08:24,640
before they did work on it they sold it

1424
01:08:24,640 --> 01:08:26,719
to

1425
01:08:26,719 --> 01:08:28,640
the group

1426
01:08:28,640 --> 01:08:30,560
um

1427
01:08:30,560 --> 01:08:32,400
called Hawkstone.

1428
01:08:32,400 --> 01:08:34,400
They go by number of different names,

1429
01:08:34,400 --> 01:08:37,679
but Hawkstone and Hawkstone is the one

1430
01:08:37,679 --> 01:08:39,600
that went in and developed this, put the

1431
01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:43,679
road in and they worked off of the

1432
01:08:43,679 --> 01:08:47,600
engineering report that the prior owners

1433
01:08:47,600 --> 01:08:50,080
had.

1434
01:08:50,080 --> 01:08:58,789
Um this for those sever

1435
01:08:58,799 --> 01:09:00,640
where they went in and did a lot of road

1436
01:09:00,640 --> 01:09:03,839
work without city approval

1437
01:09:03,839 --> 01:09:06,159
and um

1438
01:09:06,159 --> 01:09:08,960
we were concerned about it and we put

1439
01:09:08,960 --> 01:09:12,239
some requirements on them in building

1440
01:09:12,239 --> 01:09:14,239
this road.

1441
01:09:14,239 --> 01:09:17,920
uh they they took out about

1442
01:09:17,920 --> 01:09:22,719
19 ft of of native soil

1443
01:09:22,719 --> 01:09:27,520
and then they rebuilt it without any

1444
01:09:27,520 --> 01:09:31,359
with very little testing, very little

1445
01:09:31,359 --> 01:09:34,159
oversight or anything. So

1446
01:09:34,159 --> 01:09:37,040
>> turn the recorder off.

1447
01:09:37,040 --> 01:09:38,640
>> This has been this has been recorded

1448
01:09:38,640 --> 01:09:42,309
multiple times. [laughter]

1449
01:09:42,319 --> 01:09:47,040
» Yeah. So, we were we were careful in as

1450
01:09:47,040 --> 01:09:50,159
they went in to develop this and uh we

1451
01:09:50,159 --> 01:09:53,199
required I believe if I'm not mistaken

1452
01:09:53,199 --> 01:09:56,159
to go down four feet and do some testing

1453
01:09:56,159 --> 01:09:59,520
and um

1454
01:09:59,520 --> 01:10:02,239
make sure that they everything felt good

1455
01:10:02,239 --> 01:10:07,040
at that level. Then they put um a

1456
01:10:07,040 --> 01:10:09,199
geotech down on it

1457
01:10:09,199 --> 01:10:09,679
>> to

1458
01:10:09,679 --> 01:10:12,800
>> and built up then the rest of it top of

1459
01:10:12,800 --> 01:10:16,800
the geotech stuff. And then they did

1460
01:10:16,800 --> 01:10:19,040
some proof rolls as they were building

1461
01:10:19,040 --> 01:10:22,239
the road to make sure that uh and there

1462
01:10:22,239 --> 01:10:23,840
was a couple of spots after they were

1463
01:10:23,840 --> 01:10:26,400
done that they had to go back and redo

1464
01:10:26,400 --> 01:10:29,040
because of soft spots.

1465
01:10:29,040 --> 01:10:30,560
So

1466
01:10:30,560 --> 01:10:35,760
anyway, they they they've done this and

1467
01:10:35,760 --> 01:10:37,920
then it set

1468
01:10:37,920 --> 01:10:40,880
it sat for over a year now without being

1469
01:10:40,880 --> 01:10:42,640
recorded.

1470
01:10:42,640 --> 01:10:44,800
During that year's period, we made

1471
01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:47,360
numerous efforts to reach out to them,

1472
01:10:47,360 --> 01:10:49,679
to talk to them, and find out what's

1473
01:10:49,679 --> 01:10:57,120
going on. There was no reason that they had a few little odds and ends, but

1474
01:10:57,120 --> 01:10:59,360
nothing. They wouldn't return our calls.

1475
01:10:59,360 --> 01:11:04,080
We couldn't. It was like crickets. So,

1476
01:11:04,080 --> 01:11:05,440
they passed the year.

1477
01:11:05,440 --> 01:11:07,600
>> The new owners, the old

1478
01:11:07,600 --> 01:11:10,480
>> the new new owners.

1479
01:11:10,480 --> 01:11:12,400
So, they

1480
01:11:12,400 --> 01:11:16,640
year period that our ordinance says it

1481
01:11:16,640 --> 01:11:19,520
needs to be recorded by.

1482
01:11:19,520 --> 01:11:23,040
So, and if they don't get it recorded in

1483
01:11:23,040 --> 01:11:25,120
that year's period,

1484
01:11:25,120 --> 01:11:27,920
they have to start all over again.

1485
01:11:27,920 --> 01:11:30,560
Now, the work's done.

1486
01:11:30,560 --> 01:11:37,679
So, the starting all over again. We've had some communication with not

1487
01:11:37,679 --> 01:11:40,880
the owners of Hawkstone, but some

1488
01:11:40,880 --> 01:11:45,440
others who are trying to piece this back

1489
01:11:45,440 --> 01:11:48,960
together again. We're requesting a new

1490
01:11:48,960 --> 01:11:52,400
title report, make sure that the they

1491
01:11:52,400 --> 01:11:55,360
haven't sold any of this property off.

1492
01:11:55,360 --> 01:11:57,920
And um

1493
01:11:57,920 --> 01:12:00,640
we've we already had the water deeds so

1494
01:12:00,640 --> 01:12:03,280
that was that has not been a problem or

1495
01:12:03,280 --> 01:12:10,470
issue. Um

1496
01:12:10,480 --> 01:12:13,440
the the the letter that they got from

1497
01:12:13,440 --> 01:12:17,040
the county health for septic, it's it's

1498
01:12:17,040 --> 01:12:21,199
not sewer, it's septic, was expired.

1499
01:12:21,199 --> 01:12:24,080
It was a three three-year letter

1500
01:12:24,080 --> 01:12:27,440
>> and The county help identified three

1501
01:12:27,440 --> 01:12:29,840
lots and they forget which ones they

1502
01:12:29,840 --> 01:12:31,920
were that was going to have to have

1503
01:12:31,920 --> 01:12:34,080
their own septic system,

1504
01:12:34,080 --> 01:12:38,310
>> their own

1505
01:12:38,320 --> 01:12:39,760
whatever it is that

1506
01:12:39,760 --> 01:12:42,800
>> it's a modified septic or something like

1507
01:12:42,800 --> 01:12:44,880
that. It's a special

1508
01:12:44,880 --> 01:12:45,920
>> special septic.

1509
01:12:45,920 --> 01:12:48,239
>> It's their own because of the steepness

1510
01:12:48,239 --> 01:12:49,520
of the law. Is that what it is?

1511
01:12:49,520 --> 01:12:53,840
>> That's one reason. Yeah. Um, so here's

1512
01:12:53,840 --> 01:12:57,840
my concern that all that being said,

1513
01:12:57,840 --> 01:13:00,320
and I that's what I suggested if you all

1514
01:13:00,320 --> 01:13:01,600
had an opportunity to [clears throat] go

1515
01:13:01,600 --> 01:13:05,440
there and take a look at it and see. Um,

1516
01:13:05,440 --> 01:13:07,840
I'm concerned that,

1517
01:13:07,840 --> 01:13:11,120
and let me back up. The plot commission

1518
01:13:11,120 --> 01:13:14,880
at the time gave them a

1519
01:13:14,880 --> 01:13:17,920
uh a variance based upon what our

1520
01:13:17,920 --> 01:13:20,400
engineers were telling us at the time.

1521
01:13:20,400 --> 01:13:22,320
Who LE

1522
01:13:22,320 --> 01:13:24,719
that

1523
01:13:24,719 --> 01:13:29,910
a lot of this exceeded 35%

1524
01:13:29,920 --> 01:13:33,440
slope and our ordinance is that if it's

1525
01:13:33,440 --> 01:13:37,040
over 30 if it's 35% or over it can't be

1526
01:13:37,040 --> 01:13:38,560
graded.

1527
01:13:38,560 --> 01:13:41,760
But we gave them allowance to grade it

1528
01:13:41,760 --> 01:13:45,920
as minimally as possible in order to

1529
01:13:45,920 --> 01:13:48,560
overcome that 35%

1530
01:13:48,560 --> 01:13:53,830
grade. for building purposes.

1531
01:13:53,840 --> 01:13:59,280
I'm not sure they did that. We've told

1532
01:13:59,280 --> 01:14:03,120
them that they're going to need to do

1533
01:14:03,120 --> 01:14:07,120
some testing and some a site survey with

1534
01:14:07,120 --> 01:14:11,280
equipment over there to see if these

1535
01:14:11,280 --> 01:14:12,880
lots

1536
01:14:12,880 --> 01:14:15,199
are buildable.

1537
01:14:15,199 --> 01:14:18,320
And that my concern is we're we're

1538
01:14:18,320 --> 01:14:20,400
saying to the public, here's a

1539
01:14:20,400 --> 01:14:23,920
subdivision, here's approved lots and

1540
01:14:23,920 --> 01:14:26,320
they buy one of these lots and then we

1541
01:14:26,320 --> 01:14:29,280
say, I'm sorry, it's over 35%, you can't

1542
01:14:29,280 --> 01:14:32,560
build on it. So, we want to make sure

1543
01:14:32,560 --> 01:14:34,960
then that these lots are buildable

1544
01:14:34,960 --> 01:14:39,920
before we approve this to be recorded.

1545
01:14:39,920 --> 01:14:42,800
So that's kind of in the second part now

1546
01:14:42,800 --> 01:14:45,199
of one things that we're asking them

1547
01:14:45,199 --> 01:14:47,520
because they're our ordinance says they

1548
01:14:47,520 --> 01:14:49,040
have to start all over again but we're

1549
01:14:49,040 --> 01:14:52,320
giving them a a very restricted things

1550
01:14:52,320 --> 01:14:53,760
to do. They don't have to do everything

1551
01:14:53,760 --> 01:14:55,760
all over again but just those things

1552
01:14:55,760 --> 01:14:59,120
that we feel are critical for them to do

1553
01:14:59,120 --> 01:15:00,480
and that's one of them. They have to get

1554
01:15:00,480 --> 01:15:03,360
a new letter also from public health on

1555
01:15:03,360 --> 01:15:06,000
their septic system to make sure that

1556
01:15:06,000 --> 01:15:10,560
maybe nothing has changed. Um, but so

1557
01:15:10,560 --> 01:15:12,159
that's another requirement that they've

1558
01:15:12,159 --> 01:15:14,159
got, but we've told them that we want

1559
01:15:14,159 --> 01:15:17,920
them come in and do a a slope survey to

1560
01:15:17,920 --> 01:15:21,199
make sure that these lots are are

1561
01:15:21,199 --> 01:15:26,640
building. Now, in on the second page,

1562
01:15:26,640 --> 01:15:30,239
you can see that's that that time when

1563
01:15:30,239 --> 01:15:32,560
the final

1564
01:15:32,560 --> 01:15:35,120
this is a draft of it. This isn't the

1565
01:15:35,120 --> 01:15:37,520
draft of the final. This is what they

1566
01:15:37,520 --> 01:15:40,880
are proposing. You can see

1567
01:15:40,880 --> 01:15:42,960
all that grade

1568
01:15:42,960 --> 01:15:45,440
stuff in there. There is some over 35%

1569
01:15:45,440 --> 01:15:48,960
grade and uh some of that covers

1570
01:15:48,960 --> 01:15:51,280
building envelope.

1571
01:15:51,280 --> 01:15:55,360
So, in requiring them to do this new

1572
01:15:55,360 --> 01:15:58,239
slope survey, hopefully we'll find out

1573
01:15:58,239 --> 01:16:01,120
whether or not these lots can be built

1574
01:16:01,120 --> 01:16:03,280
on. If not, then they're going to have

1575
01:16:03,280 --> 01:16:05,120
to go in there and do some more work.

1576
01:16:05,120 --> 01:16:08,080
on it.

1577
01:16:08,080 --> 01:16:10,320
So, I want I just wanted to bring you

1578
01:16:10,320 --> 01:16:16,080
all up to date with that. Um,

1579
01:16:16,080 --> 01:16:19,040
they could have gotten an extension

1580
01:16:19,040 --> 01:16:25,590
from us to not or to avoid a second

1581
01:16:25,600 --> 01:16:27,280
um

1582
01:16:27,280 --> 01:16:30,320
flat situation, but they didn't they

1583
01:16:30,320 --> 01:16:33,920
didn't contact us or anything. So it

1584
01:16:33,920 --> 01:16:35,199
just lapsed.

1585
01:16:35,199 --> 01:16:38,960
>> So I remember talking about this a lot

1586
01:16:38,960 --> 01:16:41,280
because we knew it was steep. We knew

1587
01:16:41,280 --> 01:16:43,199
they had the fill. They supposedly

1588
01:16:43,199 --> 01:16:45,440
mitigated those problems with the road

1589
01:16:45,440 --> 01:16:48,080
in.

1590
01:16:48,080 --> 01:16:50,800
Can we go back on them? And we're not

1591
01:16:50,800 --> 01:16:53,440
changing because they told us at the

1592
01:16:53,440 --> 01:16:55,679
time these lots would be buildable,

1593
01:16:55,679 --> 01:16:56,159
right?

1594
01:16:56,159 --> 01:17:00,000
>> Yes. So, aren't we really just asking to

1595
01:17:00,000 --> 01:17:02,080
make sure they are and then we go from

1596
01:17:02,080 --> 01:17:02,480
there?

1597
01:17:02,480 --> 01:17:02,960
>> Yeah.

1598
01:17:02,960 --> 01:17:04,480
>> Did they meet the variance that was

1599
01:17:04,480 --> 01:17:06,719
given to them? I mean, that was part of

1600
01:17:06,719 --> 01:17:07,760
that was

1601
01:17:07,760 --> 01:17:10,400
>> in the original order that said that

1602
01:17:10,400 --> 01:17:11,280
>> that transfer

1603
01:17:11,280 --> 01:17:14,000
>> that transfers over and that was

1604
01:17:14,000 --> 01:17:16,400
>> that they understand that.

1605
01:17:16,400 --> 01:17:17,920
>> Well, they bought it.

1606
01:17:17,920 --> 01:17:19,120
>> Well, that was approved. Remember

1607
01:17:19,120 --> 01:17:20,480
talking about that? We're like, well,

1608
01:17:20,480 --> 01:17:22,320
those are crazy steep. And they are if

1609
01:17:22,320 --> 01:17:23,920
you'll look at them, it's really steep.

1610
01:17:23,920 --> 01:17:28,320
>> We talked to the new builders. You can build on anything, but there's a

1611
01:17:28,320 --> 01:17:29,920
lot of crazy stuff that's going to

1612
01:17:29,920 --> 01:17:30,960
happen to do that.

1613
01:17:30,960 --> 01:17:33,199
>> They're the ones that had the new ones

1614
01:17:33,199 --> 01:17:35,679
are the ones that had to develop this.

1615
01:17:35,679 --> 01:17:41,199
So, they knew that they had to work and make these buildable lots.

1616
01:17:41,199 --> 01:17:43,840
>> So, they were working for Bell.

1617
01:17:43,840 --> 01:17:46,159
>> No, they bought it everything for

1618
01:17:46,159 --> 01:17:48,480
>> I know. But you said that they were the

1619
01:17:48,480 --> 01:17:51,120
ones that were looking at this or

1620
01:17:51,120 --> 01:17:52,239
working it.

1621
01:17:52,239 --> 01:17:54,159
>> Yes. the second

1622
01:17:54,159 --> 01:17:56,719
>> when he when she still owned it.

1623
01:17:56,719 --> 01:17:57,520
>> No.

1624
01:17:57,520 --> 01:17:58,400
>> Okay.

1625
01:17:58,400 --> 01:18:01,920
>> No, they hadn't done any work on this

1626
01:18:01,920 --> 01:18:04,000
other than what they shouldn't have done

1627
01:18:04,000 --> 01:18:06,239
with the road and then the digging all

1628
01:18:06,239 --> 01:18:07,280
that out.

1629
01:18:07,280 --> 01:18:09,600
>> That was after they bought it from

1630
01:18:09,600 --> 01:18:12,640
>> No, Bills did that. Bills did that. So

1631
01:18:12,640 --> 01:18:15,040
they bought it with that road and they

1632
01:18:15,040 --> 01:18:18,560
knew the issues of that road because

1633
01:18:18,560 --> 01:18:20,000
putting in this new road

1634
01:18:20,000 --> 01:18:20,880
>> I mean they had

1635
01:18:20,880 --> 01:18:22,560
>> they had to do extra work.

1636
01:18:22,560 --> 01:18:24,239
>> I mean there was fill and

1637
01:18:24,239 --> 01:18:26,000
>> yes

1638
01:18:26,000 --> 01:18:27,280
all sorts of garbage

1639
01:18:27,280 --> 01:18:30,400
>> work without knowing if they could build

1640
01:18:30,400 --> 01:18:32,320
on I mean I drove over there. You're

1641
01:18:32,320 --> 01:18:34,000
going to have to put freaking sheet

1642
01:18:34,000 --> 01:18:36,239
piles in that 50 feet down or something

1643
01:18:36,239 --> 01:18:39,520
if you want to re What's the city's um

1644
01:18:39,520 --> 01:18:41,679
obligation if you do approve this, they

1645
01:18:41,679 --> 01:18:43,360
go build on it and a retaining wall

1646
01:18:43,360 --> 01:18:44,800
collapses or something. What's the

1647
01:18:44,800 --> 01:18:47,280
city's risk in that?

1648
01:18:47,280 --> 01:18:49,120
>> I don't know. But we need to make it

1649
01:18:49,120 --> 01:18:51,760
that it complies with our ordinances

1650
01:18:51,760 --> 01:18:54,320
>> after that. There there is you can see

1651
01:18:54,320 --> 01:18:56,800
that front shape some of those

1652
01:18:56,800 --> 01:19:00,080
>> Oh, it's a retaining walls that are

1653
01:19:00,080 --> 01:19:02,239
going to be needed there. How do you get

1654
01:19:02,239 --> 01:19:05,440
a 15% slope on your driveway?

1655
01:19:05,440 --> 01:19:09,040
>> Well, yeah. You see you see the one on

1656
01:19:09,040 --> 01:19:10,239
five.

1657
01:19:10,239 --> 01:19:11,360
>> And it did show that.

1658
01:19:11,360 --> 01:19:14,480
>> I'm not even sure I am up.

1659
01:19:14,480 --> 01:19:15,120
>> Oh, no.

1660
01:19:15,120 --> 01:19:15,920
way.

1661
01:19:15,920 --> 01:19:17,520
>> It's too tight of a turn to get the

1662
01:19:17,520 --> 01:19:20,000
ambulance up. Um,

1663
01:19:20,000 --> 01:19:23,440
>> yeah. I don't I don't want to respond.

1664
01:19:23,440 --> 01:19:25,920
>> I don't know from the back offset if you

1665
01:19:25,920 --> 01:19:29,040
have enough room to grade it to get to

1666
01:19:29,040 --> 01:19:31,760
the grade the minimal grade you need.

1667
01:19:31,760 --> 01:19:35,280
>> I I really that I I can't believe

1668
01:19:35,280 --> 01:19:36,480
someone

1669
01:19:36,480 --> 01:19:38,800
>> developed that. That's

1670
01:19:38,800 --> 01:19:40,800
>> I mean this was the design that their

1671
01:19:40,800 --> 01:19:42,880
civil engineer laid out,

1672
01:19:42,880 --> 01:19:44,800
>> Ken Bur.

1673
01:19:44,800 --> 01:19:46,960
And

1674
01:19:46,960 --> 01:19:50,159
so we just want to make sure that they

1675
01:19:50,159 --> 01:19:52,000
got buildable lots there.

1676
01:19:52,000 --> 01:19:55,199
>> Again, they could build with the bottom

1677
01:19:55,199 --> 01:19:59,679
of their house just past the just, you

1678
01:19:59,679 --> 01:20:01,840
know, ju just past the set back.

1679
01:20:01,840 --> 01:20:02,239
>> Yeah.

1680
01:20:02,239 --> 01:20:03,920
>> Just past the setback and everything

1681
01:20:03,920 --> 01:20:05,679
else is cut into the hill, right?

1682
01:20:05,679 --> 01:20:06,880
>> Yeah. Just retaining

1683
01:20:06,880 --> 01:20:08,719
>> and they're retaining now.

1684
01:20:08,719 --> 01:20:10,640
>> Um and and that's that's a when you look

1685
01:20:10,640 --> 01:20:13,679
at this, that's a possibility. But when

1686
01:20:13,679 --> 01:20:15,679
you look at the sewer, when you look at

1687
01:20:15,679 --> 01:20:18,000
the septic spots for that, they're going

1688
01:20:18,000 --> 01:20:19,120
to have to pump them.

1689
01:20:19,120 --> 01:20:21,199
>> So, is there not sewer running through

1690
01:20:21,199 --> 01:20:23,520
that main road? There isn't. Oh, there's

1691
01:20:23,520 --> 01:20:24,960
no sewer on that whole side of

1692
01:20:24,960 --> 01:20:27,120
>> Okay, that's that makes sense then.

1693
01:20:27,120 --> 01:20:27,679
>> Yeah.

1694
01:20:27,679 --> 01:20:30,400
>> Then to stop it stops on Deer Creek

1695
01:20:30,400 --> 01:20:34,550
going down to

1696
01:20:34,560 --> 01:20:40,320
» So, that's where we're at with them. And we're we're trying to

1697
01:20:40,320 --> 01:20:43,600
find out if we still have their bond or

1698
01:20:43,600 --> 01:20:45,920
not?

1699
01:20:45,920 --> 01:20:47,520
>> How could they?

1700
01:20:47,520 --> 01:20:50,239
>> The bank could have released it back to

1701
01:20:50,239 --> 01:20:52,000
them.

1702
01:20:52,000 --> 01:20:53,360
How would they do that without somebody

1703
01:20:53,360 --> 01:20:55,920
from the city sign up?

1704
01:20:55,920 --> 01:20:56,640
>> Exactly.

1705
01:20:56,640 --> 01:20:58,560
>> It's been done before.

1706
01:20:58,560 --> 01:21:01,920
>> Yeah.

1707
01:21:01,920 --> 01:21:04,800
>> Some of these places. I would I would

1708
01:21:04,800 --> 01:21:07,199
also have your attorney for the city

1709
01:21:07,199 --> 01:21:10,239
write up something that says we are not

1710
01:21:10,239 --> 01:21:14,480
in any way responsible for

1711
01:21:14,480 --> 01:21:16,719
this area here or something.

1712
01:21:16,719 --> 01:21:17,120
>> Yeah,

1713
01:21:17,120 --> 01:21:19,040
>> just the retaining mechanism, the

1714
01:21:19,040 --> 01:21:22,080
engineering, all of that.

1715
01:21:22,080 --> 01:21:25,440
>> I you don't you don't need to even shoot

1716
01:21:25,440 --> 01:21:27,040
grades to go tell that

1717
01:21:27,040 --> 01:21:31,189
>> no situation.

1718
01:21:31,199 --> 01:21:35,270
It'll tough.

1719
01:21:35,280 --> 01:21:37,280
Yeah.

1720
01:21:37,280 --> 01:21:40,390
So,

1721
01:21:40,400 --> 01:21:41,920
» not like we can't approve it. It's been

1722
01:21:41,920 --> 01:21:42,880
approved.

1723
01:21:42,880 --> 01:21:43,840
>> We got to

1724
01:21:43,840 --> 01:21:44,800
>> But they can't build,

1725
01:21:44,800 --> 01:21:46,719
>> but there has to be some requirements to

1726
01:21:46,719 --> 01:21:47,679
protect the city.

1727
01:21:47,679 --> 01:21:49,679
>> They can't they can't sell the lot until

1728
01:21:49,679 --> 01:21:55,760
it right. So, it's locked. I mean, they can't do anything. And that's where

1729
01:21:55,760 --> 01:21:57,520
the Bells wanted to sell that lot so

1730
01:21:57,520 --> 01:21:58,719
they could afford to do this. I know

1731
01:21:58,719 --> 01:22:00,320
that's what they were, you know, that

1732
01:22:00,320 --> 01:22:02,000
they we talked to the people who wanted

1733
01:22:02,000 --> 01:22:05,280
to buy lot. Is it two and three?

1734
01:22:05,280 --> 01:22:06,960
>> One and two. And interestingly enough,

1735
01:22:06,960 --> 01:22:08,639
>> no, they want Yeah, but they wanted two

1736
01:22:08,639 --> 01:22:09,440
and three,

1737
01:22:09,440 --> 01:22:12,159
>> but Oxton has bought them back.

1738
01:22:12,159 --> 01:22:13,920
>> Oh, really? Yeah.

1739
01:22:13,920 --> 01:22:16,159
>> So, they own they own all of that now.

1740
01:22:16,159 --> 01:22:18,320
Why Why has that happened?

1741
01:22:18,320 --> 01:22:20,800
>> Well, two and three work together to

1742
01:22:20,800 --> 01:22:23,440
make a buildable lot in my opinion. When

1743
01:22:23,440 --> 01:22:25,199
you look at that, if you have two and

1744
01:22:25,199 --> 01:22:27,280
three, you could if you could merge

1745
01:22:27,280 --> 01:22:28,800
those two and get rid of that property

1746
01:22:28,800 --> 01:22:30,159
line, you've got a place to build a

1747
01:22:30,159 --> 01:22:32,719
house. It's a big old lot, but it's

1748
01:22:32,719 --> 01:22:35,840
steep, right? Um, but you got a place

1749
01:22:35,840 --> 01:22:37,280
you could actually build. If you merge

1750
01:22:37,280 --> 01:22:40,400
those into We've had one person years

1751
01:22:40,400 --> 01:22:42,880
ago who wanted to buy one and two and

1752
01:22:42,880 --> 01:22:44,960
merge those together into

1753
01:22:44,960 --> 01:22:46,960
>> Well, we had the people when this came

1754
01:22:46,960 --> 01:22:49,440
out that wanted to do two and three,

1755
01:22:49,440 --> 01:22:51,120
>> but one and two came up as well.

1756
01:22:51,120 --> 01:22:52,880
>> And did that come up as well? So

1757
01:22:52,880 --> 01:22:54,480
>> is that

1758
01:22:54,480 --> 01:22:55,600
>> dangerous?

1759
01:22:55,600 --> 01:22:56,639
>> Yeah.

1760
01:22:56,639 --> 01:22:58,719
>> That's what they talked him out of it.

1761
01:22:58,719 --> 01:23:00,239
So they don't have the right to sell

1762
01:23:00,239 --> 01:23:01,199
that.

1763
01:23:01,199 --> 01:23:03,040
>> Well, they do one and two.

1764
01:23:03,040 --> 01:23:04,239
>> One and two. They could

1765
01:23:04,239 --> 01:23:05,360
>> record it.

1766
01:23:05,360 --> 01:23:06,639
>> But they couldn't sell three.

1767
01:23:06,639 --> 01:23:08,239
>> Couldn't do three because that's part of

1768
01:23:08,239 --> 01:23:08,639
this.

1769
01:23:08,639 --> 01:23:10,639
>> And all of this had to be done before

1770
01:23:10,639 --> 01:23:12,800
they could sell three. And it had to be,

1771
01:23:12,800 --> 01:23:14,960
you know, go through this whole process

1772
01:23:14,960 --> 01:23:17,040
and get recorded. And we're still not

1773
01:23:17,040 --> 01:23:19,920
there. And that's been

1774
01:23:19,920 --> 01:23:21,120
over a year ago.

1775
01:23:21,120 --> 01:23:22,159
>> Yeah.

1776
01:23:22,159 --> 01:23:25,040
Y

1777
01:23:25,040 --> 01:23:29,520
>> okay. So that's the report on that.

1778
01:23:29,520 --> 01:23:32,239
>> Um

1779
01:23:32,239 --> 01:23:34,560
I've seen him down working in uh brought

1780
01:23:34,560 --> 01:23:37,199
up in in council the the one what's it

1781
01:23:37,199 --> 01:23:38,320
called that's down here on

1782
01:23:38,320 --> 01:23:38,800
>> Havenwood.

1783
01:23:38,800 --> 01:23:40,159
And they've been down there

1784
01:23:40,159 --> 01:23:40,800
working. I've been

1785
01:23:40,800 --> 01:23:43,600
>> see problems.

1786
01:23:43,600 --> 01:23:44,480
>> Not surprising.

1787
01:23:44,480 --> 01:23:49,189
>> Put the ditch in the wrong place.

1788
01:23:49,199 --> 01:23:50,239
That's what I thought. I was like,

1789
01:23:50,239 --> 01:23:51,760
"What?" I drove through it.

1790
01:23:51,760 --> 01:23:53,360
>> I haven't driven through it, but I saw

1791
01:23:53,360 --> 01:23:54,159
him out there.

1792
01:23:54,159 --> 01:23:54,560
>> Yeah,

1793
01:23:54,560 --> 01:23:55,199
>> you'll see it.

1794
01:23:55,199 --> 01:23:56,800
>> Ted's meeting with him tomorrow down

1795
01:23:56,800 --> 01:24:01,040
there. This is after he spent quite a

1796
01:24:01,040 --> 01:24:02,880
bit of time on the phone with one of

1797
01:24:02,880 --> 01:24:04,880
them telling them what needed to be done

1798
01:24:04,880 --> 01:24:08,080
and they didn't do it. So,

1799
01:24:08,080 --> 01:24:09,440
>> they've still got more work to do.

1800
01:24:09,440 --> 01:24:10,000
>> They do.

1801
01:24:10,000 --> 01:24:10,400
>> Yeah.

1802
01:24:10,400 --> 01:24:11,520
>> They got to fill in a ditch.

1803
01:24:11,520 --> 01:24:15,280
>> They got to fill in the ditch now. and they got to tear out a driveway and

1804
01:24:15,280 --> 01:24:17,520
put in a new one and and everything else

1805
01:24:17,520 --> 01:24:18,480
before.

1806
01:24:18,480 --> 01:24:20,239
>> Yes.

1807
01:24:20,239 --> 01:24:21,679
>> Because that was all it was all

1808
01:24:21,679 --> 01:24:24,320
contingent.

1809
01:24:24,320 --> 01:24:30,229
>> Okay. So, that's kind of the update on Havenwood

1810
01:24:30,239 --> 01:24:32,320
phase. Oh,

1811
01:24:32,320 --> 01:24:36,320
>> the uh this is part this is 12.

1812
01:24:36,320 --> 01:24:38,480
Um

1813
01:24:38,480 --> 01:24:41,600
the uh

1814
01:24:41,600 --> 01:24:44,639
we've been told by the county

1815
01:24:44,639 --> 01:24:48,400
who's working on the roundabout

1816
01:24:48,400 --> 01:24:53,040
that um they won't be ready to start

1817
01:24:53,040 --> 01:24:57,679
work until next year on the roundabout.

1818
01:24:57,679 --> 01:24:59,760
Uh a lot of their time and it's not

1819
01:24:59,760 --> 01:25:03,440
completed yet is taking and getting some

1820
01:25:03,440 --> 01:25:07,040
lights of way. They need more right way

1821
01:25:07,040 --> 01:25:09,520
down 11200

1822
01:25:09,520 --> 01:25:11,600
as well as the roundabout's going to be

1823
01:25:11,600 --> 01:25:12,719
larger.

1824
01:25:12,719 --> 01:25:16,880
>> So, they're getting property that's on

1825
01:25:16,880 --> 01:25:19,840
each of the corners there uh with the

1826
01:25:19,840 --> 01:25:20,560
roundabout.

1827
01:25:20,560 --> 01:25:22,719
>> Will it be two lanes?

1828
01:25:22,719 --> 01:25:25,120
>> Yeah. No, it's just one lane.

1829
01:25:25,120 --> 01:25:26,000
>> Yeah.

1830
01:25:26,000 --> 01:25:28,639
>> I thought they added a There's a pull in

1831
01:25:28,639 --> 01:25:28,960
lane.

1832
01:25:28,960 --> 01:25:32,320
>> There's a pull pull in

1833
01:25:32,320 --> 01:25:36,159
>> to get the post office another lane.

1834
01:25:36,159 --> 01:25:37,520
That makes sense.

1835
01:25:37,520 --> 01:25:39,280
>> Um

1836
01:25:39,280 --> 01:25:40,960
so

1837
01:25:40,960 --> 01:25:46,159
um we're going to probably through the autumn here work on getting

1838
01:25:46,159 --> 01:25:49,360
new post office box installed here. We

1839
01:25:49,360 --> 01:25:51,600
have them here in

1840
01:25:51,600 --> 01:25:54,960
>> uh but we won't be using it until until

1841
01:25:54,960 --> 01:25:57,520
next year.

1842
01:25:57,520 --> 01:25:59,840
>> Yeah. Yeah.

1843
01:25:59,840 --> 01:26:02,880
So that's

1844
01:26:02,880 --> 01:26:06,239
where that's at with

1845
01:26:06,239 --> 01:26:07,679
the post office.

1846
01:26:07,679 --> 01:26:09,600
>> So they funded the construction for

1847
01:26:09,600 --> 01:26:11,360
that?

1848
01:26:11,360 --> 01:26:14,080
>> Yes, they haven't yet, but they're they

1849
01:26:14,080 --> 01:26:18,239
agreed to. Yeah, there's a there's a uh

1850
01:26:18,239 --> 01:26:21,520
proposal that's been accepted by them to

1851
01:26:21,520 --> 01:26:24,960
do the work on the post office putting

1852
01:26:24,960 --> 01:26:27,760
those boxes in there.

1853
01:26:27,760 --> 01:26:31,750
Um,

1854
01:26:31,760 --> 01:26:33,920
let me uh

1855
01:26:33,920 --> 01:26:37,360
then we're we're good. Give you a a

1856
01:26:37,360 --> 01:26:41,520
future update. Um,

1857
01:26:41,520 --> 01:26:44,320
>> later running. We're good.

1858
01:26:44,320 --> 01:26:48,639
um on the federal case.

1859
01:26:48,639 --> 01:26:51,520
Um

1860
01:26:51,520 --> 01:26:54,960
the it's it's the first filing that

1861
01:26:54,960 --> 01:26:58,400
they've made in federal court.

1862
01:26:58,400 --> 01:27:02,080
The the state court ones are still

1863
01:27:02,080 --> 01:27:05,120
pending. It's been no action taken on

1864
01:27:05,120 --> 01:27:07,920
those. No decision or anything. We

1865
01:27:07,920 --> 01:27:12,239
haven't heard uh on on the state court

1866
01:27:12,239 --> 01:27:16,639
ones. They they filed one

1867
01:27:16,639 --> 01:27:19,750
um

1868
01:27:19,760 --> 01:27:26,470
complaint in federal court and

1869
01:27:26,480 --> 01:27:28,159
there's there's what's called a

1870
01:27:28,159 --> 01:27:32,560
magistrate judge and he's like one step

1871
01:27:32,560 --> 01:27:35,280
below a federal judge, a regular federal

1872
01:27:35,280 --> 01:27:37,600
judge and he's the one and they have

1873
01:27:37,600 --> 01:27:38,960
those they have these throughout the

1874
01:27:38,960 --> 01:27:41,760
country now and I think it's they did

1875
01:27:41,760 --> 01:27:43,360
that to

1876
01:27:43,360 --> 01:27:46,320
help the case load, lighten the case

1877
01:27:46,320 --> 01:27:49,520
load of the regular judges a little bit.

1878
01:27:49,520 --> 01:27:51,600
But anyway, he he's the one that's been

1879
01:27:51,600 --> 01:27:53,520
assigned and then there's a a regular

1880
01:27:53,520 --> 01:27:56,320
federal judge over him that work with

1881
01:27:56,320 --> 01:28:00,400
him if needed. But uh they're they're

1882
01:28:00,400 --> 01:28:03,040
move for the bar and everything else.

1883
01:28:03,040 --> 01:28:06,719
uh they're appointed by

1884
01:28:06,719 --> 01:28:10,000
the district court judge

1885
01:28:10,000 --> 01:28:13,199
um federal I should say federal district

1886
01:28:13,199 --> 01:28:15,199
court judge and they're appointed for

1887
01:28:15,199 --> 01:28:18,320
eight years so they're kind of in it for

1888
01:28:18,320 --> 01:28:22,880
a while. So anyway the food just filed a

1889
01:28:22,880 --> 01:28:25,199
90page

1890
01:28:25,199 --> 01:28:27,199
complaint

1891
01:28:27,199 --> 01:28:32,080
um typical for them with the length

1892
01:28:32,080 --> 01:28:36,719
of it. And um

1893
01:28:36,719 --> 01:28:38,239
I'm trying to think this was a number of

1894
01:28:38,239 --> 01:28:41,440
months ago and just this week the

1895
01:28:41,440 --> 01:28:44,159
magistrate

1896
01:28:44,159 --> 01:28:46,159
and I don't know for sure how this goes.

1897
01:28:46,159 --> 01:28:48,639
This is I know the federal court system

1898
01:28:48,639 --> 01:28:52,639
quite well but they've changed since I

1899
01:28:52,639 --> 01:28:56,719
was involved with it. But he filed a

1900
01:28:56,719 --> 01:28:58,320
recommendation

1901
01:28:58,320 --> 01:29:00,159
report

1902
01:29:00,159 --> 01:29:03,440
and His recommendation was that the

1903
01:29:03,440 --> 01:29:06,880
Fujas violated federal rules of civil

1904
01:29:06,880 --> 01:29:09,600
procedure number eight.

1905
01:29:09,600 --> 01:29:12,239
And what that particular

1906
01:29:12,239 --> 01:29:16,000
rule is is that motions are filed in

1907
01:29:16,000 --> 01:29:18,880
court need to be

1908
01:29:18,880 --> 01:29:23,920
short, succinct to a point

1909
01:29:23,920 --> 01:29:26,480
and pages.

1910
01:29:26,480 --> 01:29:31,120
>> 90 pages. Yeah. So he

1911
01:29:31,120 --> 01:29:33,760
Um,

1912
01:29:33,760 --> 01:29:35,760
what's the word I'm looking for? He

1913
01:29:35,760 --> 01:29:39,360
denied it, but he said, "I'm giving you

1914
01:29:39,360 --> 01:29:41,360
another opportunity

1915
01:29:41,360 --> 01:29:44,639
>> to redo this." Okay.

1916
01:29:44,639 --> 01:29:46,000
>> Short and succinct.

1917
01:29:46,000 --> 01:29:47,760
>> And that's what he said. That's it has

1918
01:29:47,760 --> 01:29:50,320
to be that way. And if it comes back

1919
01:29:50,320 --> 01:29:53,360
long again, he implied that he may would

1920
01:29:53,360 --> 01:29:55,280
dismiss it.

1921
01:29:55,280 --> 01:30:00,719
So, they've got 14 days to resubmit this

1922
01:30:00,719 --> 01:30:02,880
new motion.

1923
01:30:02,880 --> 01:30:04,560
Um,

1924
01:30:04,560 --> 01:30:07,600
so we haven't heard. They could contest

1925
01:30:07,600 --> 01:30:09,360
it

1926
01:30:09,360 --> 01:30:13,199
if they chose to take that route.

1927
01:30:13,199 --> 01:30:18,070
Um

1928
01:30:18,080 --> 01:30:21,520
but so

1929
01:30:21,520 --> 01:30:24,800
we'll see where that where that ends up.

1930
01:30:24,800 --> 01:30:26,960
There was there was another ca there's

1931
01:30:26,960 --> 01:30:31,360
another state case where the fues filed

1932
01:30:31,360 --> 01:30:33,199
an objection. I don't know if I told you

1933
01:30:33,199 --> 01:30:36,560
about this or not. the two engineers

1934
01:30:36,560 --> 01:30:39,920
that we had, David Alter who was working

1935
01:30:39,920 --> 01:30:43,440
for the city and Brad Gillson who was

1936
01:30:43,440 --> 01:30:47,440
the engineer for Adam's home.

1937
01:30:47,440 --> 01:30:49,040
They

1938
01:30:49,040 --> 01:30:51,360
hired the same attorney to represent

1939
01:30:51,360 --> 01:30:51,920
them

1940
01:30:51,920 --> 01:30:53,040
>> their insurance

1941
01:30:53,040 --> 01:30:55,120
>> through their insurance company did

1942
01:30:55,120 --> 01:30:55,440
that.

1943
01:30:55,440 --> 01:30:57,199
>> The same company that represents each of

1944
01:30:57,199 --> 01:30:58,960
their firms.

1945
01:30:58,960 --> 01:31:02,880
So Fu just filed a motion that

1946
01:31:02,880 --> 01:31:06,000
they didn't feel it was right for the

1947
01:31:06,000 --> 01:31:08,960
same attorney firm to represent the two

1948
01:31:08,960 --> 01:31:10,639
engineers

1949
01:31:10,639 --> 01:31:14,080
as Fuj's belief was that there'd be

1950
01:31:14,080 --> 01:31:17,840
conflict between each of them. And we

1951
01:31:17,840 --> 01:31:21,120
listened to the the hearing on it and

1952
01:31:21,120 --> 01:31:24,800
the attorney said, "No, both these

1953
01:31:24,800 --> 01:31:29,040
engineers are in sync. They're both same

1954
01:31:29,040 --> 01:31:30,719
way. They they agreeable. They're

1955
01:31:30,719 --> 01:31:34,239
agreeable to this and us representing

1956
01:31:34,239 --> 01:31:36,480
both of them because the issues are the

1957
01:31:36,480 --> 01:31:38,000
same

1958
01:31:38,000 --> 01:31:41,679
um that that they have. So the judge

1959
01:31:41,679 --> 01:31:46,639
ruled in favor of the uh the engineers.

1960
01:31:46,639 --> 01:31:50,080
So uh but they haven't haven't heard the

1961
01:31:50,080 --> 01:31:54,800
case yet. So that was another

1962
01:31:54,800 --> 01:32:00,639
long long The state court doesn't follow these federal rules of

1963
01:32:00,639 --> 01:32:05,280
civil procedure. So,

1964
01:32:05,280 --> 01:32:08,239
one of the Fuja's

1965
01:32:08,239 --> 01:32:11,040
motions was like 300 pages long of

1966
01:32:11,040 --> 01:32:14,800
exhibits and everything in state court.

1967
01:32:14,800 --> 01:32:17,040
>> So,

1968
01:32:17,040 --> 01:32:19,600
anyway, we're that's kind of where

1969
01:32:19,600 --> 01:32:28,629
things are at with with them.

1970
01:32:28,639 --> 01:32:31,360
any issues or questions that any of you

1971
01:32:31,360 --> 01:32:35,270
have about

1972
01:32:35,280 --> 01:32:38,400
you're probably swimming like

1973
01:32:38,400 --> 01:32:40,639
>> why did I get myself

1974
01:32:40,639 --> 01:32:42,960
>> happy to help

1975
01:32:42,960 --> 01:32:59,669
>> well we appreciate your willingness to help kind of this is kind of a long agenda so let me go shut that

1976
01:32:59,679 --> 01:33:01,120
Yeah. You want to make it?

1977
01:33:01,120 --> 01:33:01,679
>> I just made it.

1978
01:33:01,679 --> 01:33:02,239
>> Just made it.

1979
01:33:02,239 --> 01:33:03,280
>> Okay. Second it.

1980
01:33:03,280 --> 01:33:06,159
>> Second. Okay. All in favor?

1981
01:33:06,159 --> 01:33:20,229
>> I

1982
01:33:20,239 --> 01:33:23,199
You're not doing splash cylinder.

1983
01:33:23,199 --> 01:33:26,560
No, I'm so bummed out. Don't give me I

1984
01:33:26,560 --> 01:33:29,120
haven't even trained for it. So I train

1985
01:33:29,120 --> 01:33:31,280
better for I'm better shape than I now

1986
01:33:31,280 --> 01:33:34,800
than I was when I did the win basin.

1987
01:33:34,800 --> 01:33:39,520
But I have have to be a responsible