1 00:00:03,919 --> 00:00:05,200 Okay. Well, we'd like to welcome 2 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:08,160 everybody to our August 25th, 2026 uh 3 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:11,040 city council. Um 4 00:00:11,040 --> 00:00:13,519 we will start with our work session. And 5 00:00:13,519 --> 00:00:16,320 our first uh item on the agenda is our 6 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:18,800 waste management representative, 7 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:20,240 >> Blake. And you'll have to help me with 8 00:00:20,240 --> 00:00:21,279 your last name. Blake. 9 00:00:21,279 --> 00:00:22,240 >> Le. 10 00:00:22,240 --> 00:00:23,600 >> Lean. Ellie. 11 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:24,320 >> How did I do? 12 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:25,039 >> Yep. Perfect. [snorts] 13 00:00:25,039 --> 00:00:26,960 >> Sweet. Wonderful. Okay. Do you want to 14 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:27,760 join us up here? 15 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:32,320 >> Yeah, sounds great. That would be great. 16 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:35,520 >> Uh, mayor, council, Blake Lean Ellie, 17 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:37,040 I've been your government affairs 18 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:40,800 representative for a long time and um, 19 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:43,680 you know, today really wanted to go over 20 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:45,920 some things around recycling, things 21 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:47,920 going on in the marketplace, things 22 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:49,840 we're seeing in Woodland Hills 23 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:51,520 specifically, 24 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:53,840 open it up for questions, and have a 25 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:56,079 really good dialogue. So, that's really 26 00:00:56,079 --> 00:00:58,079 for today. It's more of a, you know, 27 00:00:58,079 --> 00:01:00,399 conversational item about what we're 28 00:01:00,399 --> 00:01:03,280 seeing and some of the areas that we 29 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:06,560 think we may be able to help. Um, again, 30 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:09,280 I want to start off by saying your 31 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:11,360 recycling material right now comes to 32 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:14,080 our uh Salt Lake City MURF. It's one of 33 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:15,840 the most state-of-the-art MURFs in the 34 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:18,960 country. MURF is fancy way of recycling 35 00:01:18,960 --> 00:01:22,080 center. Okay, it it is what we have in 36 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:27,119 Salt Lake is amazing. So, AI robots, the 37 00:01:27,119 --> 00:01:29,680 whole bit. So, rest assured, what you 38 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:31,920 put in your recycling container is 39 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:34,479 getting processed and recycled. So, I 40 00:01:34,479 --> 00:01:37,759 can say that with certainty. Um, what 41 00:01:37,759 --> 00:01:41,520 we're seeing in and this is just data 42 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:44,560 that I'm giving you. This is not to make 43 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:46,880 any decisions on or anything, but to 44 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:49,360 have data. We are your hauler and we 45 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:52,000 will do whatever you would like us to 46 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:54,720 do. So when I say this, just know this 47 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:56,640 is not me giving a recommendation. This 48 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:58,960 is just saying, hey, we've seen the 49 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:01,439 weights for your recycling go way down. 50 00:02:01,439 --> 00:02:03,280 We've seen a lot of containers that are 51 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:08,479 not um filled, not being utilized as 52 00:02:08,479 --> 00:02:11,520 often. Um when we see that, we like to 53 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:14,080 bring that option up of, hey, right now 54 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:16,239 you're doing a weekly recycling. May 55 00:02:16,239 --> 00:02:17,760 make sense to cut that back to every 56 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:20,640 other week. We see that trend going on 57 00:02:20,640 --> 00:02:23,040 quite a bit. one, there's a cost-saving 58 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:25,360 element, but two, you want to do the 59 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:27,360 right thing and make sure that your, you 60 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:29,280 know, residents are utilizing those 61 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:31,440 containers because you want to, you 62 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:33,040 know, you don't want to have trucks out 63 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:35,599 picking up air is essentially now you're 64 00:02:35,599 --> 00:02:39,200 adding good with the bad. So, um, just 65 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:41,360 something that we've seen and noticed 66 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:43,920 within Woodland Hills that, you know, 67 00:02:43,920 --> 00:02:46,160 maybe something to address at some point 68 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:48,800 in time to look at, possibly looking at 69 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:51,920 going to every other week or doing more 70 00:02:51,920 --> 00:02:53,920 of a campaign where we, you know, 71 00:02:53,920 --> 00:02:56,640 heavily push, you know, recycling, what 72 00:02:56,640 --> 00:02:58,239 can be done. You talked about Woodland 73 00:02:58,239 --> 00:03:00,879 Hills Days. Um, something that maybe we 74 00:03:00,879 --> 00:03:03,680 could, you know, promote some recycling 75 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:05,360 efforts and things of that nature. 76 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:08,159 >> We have a booth. a booth. Um, I would 77 00:03:08,159 --> 00:03:10,720 love to have a booth. Um, it is very 78 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:13,280 short time frames. Um, so it may be 79 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:14,879 tough to do this year, but I may be able 80 00:03:14,879 --> 00:03:16,159 to have somebody out there. 81 00:03:16,159 --> 00:03:18,319 >> I think in the past Beth used before she 82 00:03:18,319 --> 00:03:20,319 moved on and on and on, 83 00:03:20,319 --> 00:03:21,920 >> um, she came to a couple of the Wooden 84 00:03:21,920 --> 00:03:22,560 Hill station. 85 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:24,720 >> Yes. And we would love to do that. We 86 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:28,080 think that'd be a great option. Um and 87 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:29,200 you know that's definitely something 88 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:31,840 that we can look at and just different 89 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:35,360 endeavors to to look at around recycling 90 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:37,040 efforts. Any questions around? 91 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:39,280 >> Yeah, I I can say from commentary I I do 92 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:41,360 know that there's a lot of people at 93 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:43,440 least that I know that just assume it's 94 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:44,959 just all ending up in the landfill 95 00:03:44,959 --> 00:03:46,400 anyway. Therefore, why spend the extra 96 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:48,560 money for a separate can all that kind 97 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:50,159 of stuff. So, I think some some 98 00:03:50,159 --> 00:03:51,920 education would be good for us and as 99 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:53,360 well as our residents. 100 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:53,680 >> Yes, 101 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:56,080 >> I think that would be number one. I do 102 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:59,360 like the idea of maybe uh we'll have to 103 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:00,879 see how the residents feel about it, but 104 00:04:00,879 --> 00:04:03,360 maybe an altered schedule to where we we 105 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:06,319 hate to see resources spent by your 106 00:04:06,319 --> 00:04:07,680 company as well to come up and just pick 107 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:09,680 up air. I mean, it it exposes your 108 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:11,040 drivers and your machines to unnecessary 109 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:12,560 wear and tear. Not to mention our 110 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:14,480 streets and roads and things like that. 111 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:15,840 >> Especially in the winter time, right? 112 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:16,639 There's 113 00:04:16,639 --> 00:04:19,280 >> we have some crazy stuff. Um, the the 114 00:04:19,280 --> 00:04:20,479 one thing that I would say if we do end 115 00:04:20,479 --> 00:04:22,479 up looking at exploring at a different 116 00:04:22,479 --> 00:04:25,280 role or hybrid role, um, I would love it 117 00:04:25,280 --> 00:04:27,120 to be seasonal. I mean, obviously the 118 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:30,240 holiday season, Amazon, we'll put a ton 119 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:31,919 of boxes into this community and we'd 120 00:04:31,919 --> 00:04:34,160 love to have a nice way to get them 121 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:36,160 effectively removed and properly 122 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:38,400 removed. So, I'm not sure if there's a 123 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:39,759 way that we could maybe do a hybrid 124 00:04:39,759 --> 00:04:41,520 schedule or maybe during post holiday 125 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:43,600 they come up more than every other week, 126 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:45,520 but something of that nature, I think, 127 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:47,600 would be we'd be open to. We do it all 128 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:50,320 the time. So yeah, you see it really the 129 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:52,400 November, December, January months doing 130 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:55,199 a hybrid and then you know kind of it's 131 00:04:55,199 --> 00:04:56,800 almost like a reverse green lease 132 00:04:56,800 --> 00:04:59,440 schedule. You know green leases April to 133 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:01,680 November. You know we look at that 134 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:03,440 that's some that's an area we can 135 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:05,919 explore. Couple things. One, I love that 136 00:05:05,919 --> 00:05:09,919 idea. Two, no way am I advocating one 137 00:05:09,919 --> 00:05:12,160 way or the other. You know, I I just 138 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:14,400 want you to know what we're seeing and 139 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:16,800 the trends of what we're seeing in the 140 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:20,320 area. The other item that I wanted to 141 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:23,360 mention to you is if there was a 142 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:26,160 possible way to get all of you down, 143 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:28,000 it's very common for councils to come 144 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:31,840 down and tour the facility. That way, I 145 00:05:31,840 --> 00:05:34,080 know residents I I hear it all the time. 146 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:35,840 Hey, it's all going to the landfill. 147 00:05:35,840 --> 00:05:37,840 None of it gets processed. when you're 148 00:05:37,840 --> 00:05:40,560 able to have that shiny toy. You want to 149 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:43,039 show off that shiny toy and some of the 150 00:05:43,039 --> 00:05:45,840 things that we're doing, um, you know, 151 00:05:45,840 --> 00:05:47,759 we want you to have that same passion 152 00:05:47,759 --> 00:05:49,759 and the investment that we're making in 153 00:05:49,759 --> 00:05:51,360 your community. We want you to push that 154 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:53,120 back. I can only speak to so many 155 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:55,600 people. And so when a resident does 156 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:57,680 reach out, you can say, "Hey, rest 157 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:01,440 assured. I've been through it. It is 158 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:04,960 amazing. Here's what we saw. I I can say 159 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:07,600 with 100% certainty it is getting 160 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:10,400 processed. Um so something to you know 161 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:12,639 look at. Would love to set up a tour for 162 00:06:12,639 --> 00:06:14,240 you to come down and see that. So 163 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:16,160 >> I think that'd be good because a lot of 164 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:18,880 residents do just think you know they 165 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:20,400 hear something on the news or social 166 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:21,520 media 167 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:23,199 >> since we haven't been there. We don't 168 00:06:23,199 --> 00:06:23,840 know. 169 00:06:23,840 --> 00:06:27,600 >> We hear it all the time. So um any 170 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:30,560 questions around recycling? anything 171 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:33,280 that you know we may be able to provide 172 00:06:33,280 --> 00:06:35,440 as far as resources go. 173 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:36,400 >> Well, you had mentioned that there's 174 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:38,880 some variability that as things change 175 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:41,919 um obviously in today's digital world 176 00:06:41,919 --> 00:06:43,360 that's the benefit in that you can 177 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:45,600 actually make changes and updates 178 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:47,840 quickly and information that way. 179 00:06:47,840 --> 00:06:51,280 Where's the best resource for if we were 180 00:06:51,280 --> 00:06:52,800 to put a little bit of a focus on this? 181 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:54,160 Where would be the best resource to see 182 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:55,600 those changes and be able to make those 183 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:58,080 updates and and information to our 184 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:01,039 residents? simple. We have two programs 185 00:07:01,039 --> 00:07:03,360 available. So, let me just tell you, 186 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:06,160 they're two of the most state-of-the-art 187 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:08,479 programs in the country. One is our 188 00:07:08,479 --> 00:07:11,840 trucks. Um, our trucks can actually 189 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:14,400 notify residents when their containers 190 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:18,160 are contaminated. So, takes a video, 191 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:20,240 shows the image, sends it to the 192 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:23,840 resident, says, "Hey, you know what? If 193 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:26,240 you do this three times, you're no 194 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:28,319 longer going to have recycle." I mean, 195 00:07:28,319 --> 00:07:30,319 very simply put, it's very 196 00:07:30,319 --> 00:07:32,800 revolutionary. It does all that 197 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:35,599 technology. We can turn that on on the 198 00:07:35,599 --> 00:07:36,880 trucks. 199 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:39,840 >> Do you know our contamination rate? 200 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:43,599 >> I do. So, it's And I should have this 201 00:07:43,599 --> 00:07:46,000 number in front of me and I was doing my 202 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:48,160 internet stuff out in the parking lot 203 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:50,720 and you do not have the best cell 204 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:52,639 service up here. 205 00:07:52,639 --> 00:07:54,319 >> It's really bad in the parking lot. 206 00:07:54,319 --> 00:07:55,280 >> Yes. And so 207 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:57,759 >> that's on purpose. But uh last time I 208 00:07:57,759 --> 00:08:01,120 looked it was right around 24% but give 209 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:02,080 or take on that. 210 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:03,680 >> So we're basically right there with the 211 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:05,360 transfer station's current rate. 212 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:11,199 >> Yeah. So but with your community um with 213 00:08:11,199 --> 00:08:14,240 your community I would expect that to be 214 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:18,479 much much lower. Um, often times when 215 00:08:18,479 --> 00:08:21,280 you're in 216 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:24,000 more affluent communities, often times 217 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:28,400 you will see um, participation rates 218 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:30,240 higher and you'll see contamination 219 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:33,279 rates lower. Um, where yours doesn't 220 00:08:33,279 --> 00:08:36,719 quite follow that same path. So, um, 221 00:08:36,719 --> 00:08:39,440 >> yeah. So, that is something. And I send 222 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:41,120 those reports and forgive me, I've been 223 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:42,880 sending them to the wrong person. Chris 224 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:45,519 has been getting these reports. So, I 225 00:08:45,519 --> 00:08:48,240 will make sure to get those reports to 226 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:50,959 the right people. So, you get those on a 227 00:08:50,959 --> 00:08:54,560 monthly basis and it's um you're able to 228 00:08:54,560 --> 00:08:57,040 track that. Along with that comes social 229 00:08:57,040 --> 00:09:00,000 media posts. It tells you the 230 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:02,080 environmental impact of what you do 231 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:03,920 recycle. So, it's good information if 232 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:05,600 you do have social media to post that. 233 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:09,760 >> Does it show us also what's currently, 234 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:11,839 for lack of a better term, selling? 235 00:09:11,839 --> 00:09:13,200 Right. Because that's kind of the big 236 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:15,920 thing with the MURF is 237 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:17,040 >> because I'm looking at it from the 238 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:18,959 transfer station, right? As we're being 239 00:09:18,959 --> 00:09:21,839 build or we're being we're profitable 240 00:09:21,839 --> 00:09:24,080 recycling and it has everything to do 241 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:26,640 with is cardboard currently being 242 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:29,040 purchased by people who are wanting to 243 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:30,720 turn it into new cardboard 244 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:32,000 >> or not. Y 245 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:34,880 >> and so what is the 246 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:37,839 >> there? All commodities right now, your 247 00:09:37,839 --> 00:09:40,000 major commodities, the top 10 in the bin 248 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:42,000 that we refer to, your cardboards, 249 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:45,680 aluminums, plastics, papers, it all gets 250 00:09:45,680 --> 00:09:48,959 purchased. Okay. But what happens 251 00:09:48,959 --> 00:09:51,360 sometimes those commodities become a 252 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:53,200 negative commodity and we are seeing 253 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:54,959 that in some commodities and what that 254 00:09:54,959 --> 00:09:58,480 means is it's more expensive to recycle 255 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:00,240 those items than it is to throw them 256 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:02,240 away. When you partner with somebody 257 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:03,120 like, 258 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:06,959 >> you know, Waste Management WM, 259 00:10:06,959 --> 00:10:08,800 >> we're putting a guarantee on that that, 260 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:10,959 hey, we are still going to process that. 261 00:10:10,959 --> 00:10:12,399 We're not going to take that to the 262 00:10:12,399 --> 00:10:14,160 landfill. We're going to find it in 263 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:16,160 markets for you even if it costs us 264 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:19,680 money. So, and we do see that in some of 265 00:10:19,680 --> 00:10:22,320 the commodities right now. Um, so that's 266 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:25,120 not really on there, but we do report we 267 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:29,360 do uh give a report to South Utah Valley 268 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:32,480 and they do see what that looks like and 269 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:35,519 um all of their material is coming to us 270 00:10:35,519 --> 00:10:38,000 currently and they break that out, you 271 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:40,160 know, whether it's Woodland Hills or, 272 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:43,120 you know, Santa, they break that out. 273 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:46,480 >> And is bags your number one still your 274 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:49,120 number one contaminator? um 275 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:51,519 >> people putting their recyclables in a 276 00:10:51,519 --> 00:10:53,279 plastic bag and chucking it into the 277 00:10:53,279 --> 00:10:54,160 recycling bin. 278 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:56,560 >> Yeah, that's a huge and I'll tell you an 279 00:10:56,560 --> 00:10:59,120 exciting thing going on at WM right now. 280 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:02,880 Um this facility that we have right now 281 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:06,880 actually can process plastic bags which 282 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:08,399 is unheard of because you've always 283 00:11:08,399 --> 00:11:10,959 heard of that being tab. So you still 284 00:11:10,959 --> 00:11:13,040 can't bag recyclables and that's why 285 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:15,680 it's in a pilot phase. So we rolled this 286 00:11:15,680 --> 00:11:19,440 out to ORM, the city of ORM, and we took 287 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:22,959 different routes and looked at that. The 288 00:11:22,959 --> 00:11:24,800 challenge we had was this. When people 289 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:27,360 hear plastic bags are recyclable, they 290 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:28,800 think, oh, I can put everything in a 291 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:31,440 plastic bag. And so that education piece 292 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:33,920 has been really difficult trying to 293 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:36,240 relay that that hey, no, you still it 294 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:38,880 needs to be loose. It can't be in a 295 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:40,640 plastic bag because when that comes to 296 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:42,880 the MURF, we don't know what's in it. 297 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:44,959 and the time to break that up and do all 298 00:11:44,959 --> 00:11:46,560 that, you know, ends up being 299 00:11:46,560 --> 00:11:50,560 problematic. So, um, that is kind of a a 300 00:11:50,560 --> 00:11:52,320 difficult thing that we difficult 301 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:54,000 challenge that we have right now. 302 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:55,920 >> Do you have a video or something like a 303 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:57,279 little education 304 00:11:57,279 --> 00:11:59,760 >> amazing educational video and I'm so 305 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:00,800 glad you asked. 306 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:02,800 >> I'm just saying if we could get it, we 307 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:03,519 could post it. 308 00:12:03,519 --> 00:12:04,160 >> Yes. 309 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:06,079 >> Because you mentioned social media post 310 00:12:06,079 --> 00:12:07,839 and other things. So your your team has 311 00:12:07,839 --> 00:12:10,160 already put together things that are 312 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:11,360 like the 313 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:13,600 >> best practices or questions that you've 314 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:15,680 answered in every single municipal 315 00:12:15,680 --> 00:12:16,160 >> we do 316 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:18,320 >> municipality then we can just piggyback 317 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:20,160 on those and add them to our newsletter 318 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:20,720 or 319 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:24,079 >> and and we have a video actually um 320 00:12:24,079 --> 00:12:26,480 Mayor Mendenhal did it when we first 321 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:28,800 opened up the MURF and it's an amazing 322 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:31,279 educational video that we do. We 323 00:12:31,279 --> 00:12:33,440 actually use it a lot at the waste 324 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:35,760 management open in Phoenix. So we have 325 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:37,519 that that's something you could provide 326 00:12:37,519 --> 00:12:39,760 or if you came out and did a tour, we 327 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:42,000 could do one for you and, you know, have 328 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:43,760 something like that that we could, you 329 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:45,120 know, put together for 330 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:46,800 >> I was going to ask if there if there 331 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:48,639 would be if we did end up going out. I 332 00:12:48,639 --> 00:12:51,120 think it would be neat to have our own 333 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:53,680 kind of not not that we put it back on 334 00:12:53,680 --> 00:12:55,040 you to do the production, but at least 335 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:56,639 be able to take our own video, put it 336 00:12:56,639 --> 00:12:59,519 together, and put that out to the tours 337 00:12:59,519 --> 00:13:00,720 to show that we were 338 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:01,200 >> almost 339 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:02,959 >> we didn't just take corporate marketing 340 00:13:02,959 --> 00:13:04,800 and just repurpose it for us that we 341 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:07,040 actually did the work. 342 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:09,279 >> 90% of the time somebody comes, a city 343 00:13:09,279 --> 00:13:11,600 comes and does a tour. They often do a 344 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:14,079 Facebook live or take some content and 345 00:13:14,079 --> 00:13:16,720 put it together. Would love to do that. 346 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:19,120 and we would even, you know, just make 347 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:20,959 sure it's corporate responsible. We'd 348 00:13:20,959 --> 00:13:23,519 want to view it, but have a look at it 349 00:13:23,519 --> 00:13:25,680 and we can provide some input on that as 350 00:13:25,680 --> 00:13:27,040 well. 351 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:28,000 >> Great. 352 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:31,600 >> Um, that's the major stuff I had to to 353 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:34,959 talk to you about today. um you know 354 00:13:34,959 --> 00:13:38,399 it's long overdue as far as coming out 355 00:13:38,399 --> 00:13:40,000 here and I know there's been quite a few 356 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:43,040 changes so wanted to talk to you make 357 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:44,560 sure to get on your radar of any 358 00:13:44,560 --> 00:13:46,560 upcoming events that we can help out 359 00:13:46,560 --> 00:13:50,959 with and so glad we got that um you know 360 00:13:50,959 --> 00:13:53,120 all solved and then anything else that's 361 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:55,519 upcoming that we may be able to to be 362 00:13:55,519 --> 00:13:57,680 part of the community. We are we look at 363 00:13:57,680 --> 00:14:00,399 ourselves as part of your community part 364 00:14:00,399 --> 00:14:02,720 of your public utility. So if there's a 365 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:05,040 area that we can help with. We want to, 366 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:07,120 you know, be providing those resources. 367 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:08,560 >> You have a card or an email because she 368 00:14:08,560 --> 00:14:09,600 told me to email you. 369 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:11,519 >> I do and I'll make sure to get that. I 370 00:14:11,519 --> 00:14:14,079 know mayor has it, but I will make I 371 00:14:14,079 --> 00:14:15,760 will make sure to get that over to you. 372 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:16,720 >> Okay. 373 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:18,320 >> That' be great to 374 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:18,720 >> Yeah. 375 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:21,279 >> And just to kind of everybody's 376 00:14:21,279 --> 00:14:23,040 knowledge here as you guys consider this 377 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:24,880 and think about it, currently a 378 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:26,480 residential can, so this is your 379 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:30,480 standard garbage is $18.50 a month. That 380 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:35,089 additional second can is $15 a month 381 00:14:35,089 --> 00:14:37,519 [clears throat] and a recycle can is 382 00:14:37,519 --> 00:14:42,160 $24.50 a month. And so going down to and 383 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:44,160 I don't want to put a potential price on 384 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:46,800 that. It would we've talked it'd be 385 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:48,240 close to potentially cutting that in 386 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:50,160 half, which I think would also 387 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:52,480 potentially increase the take rate of 388 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:55,040 people who would actually have recycle. 389 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:58,000 >> We believe it would too. um you know and 390 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:01,360 so there's definitely some conflicts and 391 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:04,160 you know me and Mayor Hillyard have 392 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:07,040 talked about it you know quite a bit and 393 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:08,800 the the challenge is giving a 394 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:11,519 recommendation around recycling it you 395 00:15:11,519 --> 00:15:14,720 know we never want to not promote 396 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:17,120 recycling as much as possible but we do 397 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:19,279 want to maximize you know what's going 398 00:15:19,279 --> 00:15:21,440 in there and if there's a way to do it 399 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:24,639 more cost effectively um and we think we 400 00:15:24,639 --> 00:15:26,720 could drive participation then that's 401 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:28,959 something definitely we'd want to you 402 00:15:28,959 --> 00:15:31,360 endeavor we'd want to look at. 403 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:34,160 >> Yeah, that's a great point. 404 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:36,399 >> Well, any other questions for Blake? 405 00:15:36,399 --> 00:15:39,920 >> No, just give us some I guess do you 406 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:42,000 need dates from us or do we wait to get 407 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:43,600 dates from you for a tour? 408 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:45,760 >> You tell me. What if you can 409 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:48,000 collaboratively come up with a date? 410 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:50,320 Please let me know and we'll work around 411 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:52,880 your schedule. Give me a couple dates 412 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:55,440 and we'd love to set that up. So I I 413 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:58,399 think it would be highly beneficial. I I 414 00:15:58,399 --> 00:16:02,079 do. Um and it it's I think it would 415 00:16:02,079 --> 00:16:03,839 drive participation within the community 416 00:16:03,839 --> 00:16:04,639 as well. So 417 00:16:04,639 --> 00:16:06,639 >> and I hate to sound dumb, but where is 418 00:16:06,639 --> 00:16:08,240 your facility located? 419 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:10,079 >> So it's out near the airport. It's off 420 00:16:10,079 --> 00:16:13,519 California. Uh right off uh I 215 in 421 00:16:13,519 --> 00:16:14,000 California. 422 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:16,399 >> So right before our city trip. 423 00:16:16,399 --> 00:16:18,800 >> Oh, just kidding. [laughter] 424 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:20,639 >> We don't go on any city trips. 425 00:16:20,639 --> 00:16:23,839 >> Well, and it's just known. It's a 426 00:16:23,839 --> 00:16:26,320 beautiful amazing cabin. 427 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:28,160 >> I always laugh because council members 428 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:30,399 will come out and they're all, you know, 429 00:16:30,399 --> 00:16:32,480 dressed nice and everything. I'm like, 430 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:34,320 well, it's still trash, you know? I 431 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:36,160 mean, it's cleaner trash, but it's still 432 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:38,560 trash. And um, you know, all that good 433 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:40,079 stuff. But yeah, if you gave me a couple 434 00:16:40,079 --> 00:16:42,720 dates, we'll back into those and figure 435 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:45,440 out a time that would work for you. 436 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:45,920 >> All right, 437 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:47,199 >> Blake. Thank you very much. 438 00:16:47,199 --> 00:16:48,880 >> Thank you. Very nice meeting all of you. 439 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:50,079 >> You, too. Take care. 440 00:16:50,079 --> 00:16:51,440 >> Yeah. Let your wife know you're out of 441 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:53,759 here by 15. Pretty good. 442 00:16:53,759 --> 00:16:54,320 >> Thank you. 443 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:56,079 >> It's a rarity. [laughter] 444 00:16:56,079 --> 00:16:57,839 >> Have a great day. 445 00:16:57,839 --> 00:16:58,800 >> Thank you. 446 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:00,720 >> Okay, then we'll move to face number 447 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:03,199 two. Phase two, waterline presentation. 448 00:17:03,199 --> 00:17:04,720 So, Ted, you might as well come up here 449 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:16,390 and get comfortable. 450 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:18,640 » Uh, I can get it from the just on the 451 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:21,039 calendar here. I'll click on it from 452 00:17:21,039 --> 00:17:44,310 here and then 453 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:58,870 Okay. So, um 454 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:00,400 Yeah, we don't want to look at that 455 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:05,337 closeup of that mug. 456 00:18:05,347 --> 00:18:08,612 [clears throat] 457 00:18:08,622 --> 00:18:15,590 [laughter] 458 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:19,830 » I kind of miss her. 459 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:21,760 The agenda wasn't very exciting tonight, 460 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:27,669 I guess. 461 00:18:27,679 --> 00:18:30,080 » Well, this is this was for Brian this 462 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:31,360 one. So, 463 00:18:31,360 --> 00:18:33,280 >> they're all waiting for Dudson. That's 464 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:36,640 why they're just waiting. 465 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:43,110 >> Thanks, Jody. 466 00:18:43,120 --> 00:18:46,880 » All right. So, uh we're gonna talk a 467 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:48,320 little bit about tonight. So, this came 468 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:52,080 up last week and uh or last sorry 469 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:54,160 council meeting 470 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:55,440 and there was a little bit of discussion 471 00:18:55,440 --> 00:18:57,600 about the watering project. Is that what 472 00:18:57,600 --> 00:18:58,640 was first on the agenda? 473 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:00,080 >> Yep. 474 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:02,880 >> And you're going to send us the slides. 475 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:03,919 >> I'll send it out. 476 00:19:03,919 --> 00:19:04,960 >> Okay. Thanks. 477 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:07,360 >> Um 478 00:19:07,360 --> 00:19:09,360 so, we start talking about the waterline 479 00:19:09,360 --> 00:19:11,840 project. Um phase two, we'll talk a 480 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:12,960 little bit about just kind of as a 481 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:15,679 reminder. Phase two is to replace 482 00:19:15,679 --> 00:19:18,480 approximately 15,000 linear feet of 483 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:20,320 water line. 484 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:22,320 Um these water lines have reached or 485 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:25,360 exceeded a 50-year life getting really 486 00:19:25,360 --> 00:19:28,480 close. Um these are mostly ductal iron 487 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:31,120 pipe, 6 inch ductal iron pipe. Ductal 488 00:19:31,120 --> 00:19:34,000 iron normally when installed correctly 489 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:36,960 has about a 50-year life. These were not 490 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:38,320 installed, you know, back these were 491 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:39,600 installed back in the 70s, so not 492 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:42,559 entirely correctly. Was this you were 493 00:19:42,559 --> 00:19:44,000 talking about some of the rocks and 494 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:44,799 >> some of the rocks 495 00:19:44,799 --> 00:19:45,840 >> rubbing and all that 496 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:48,080 >> corrosion. Corrosion is really what got 497 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:49,679 a couple of them. Couple breaks we had 498 00:19:49,679 --> 00:19:50,640 over there. 499 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:53,200 >> The pipe had corroded and then it sat on 500 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:55,120 some rocks and that's what happens to 501 00:19:55,120 --> 00:19:57,600 ductal iron. Ductal iron when you when 502 00:19:57,600 --> 00:20:00,240 we put it in today, we put nice bedding 503 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:02,080 around it. We'll even wrap it in a 504 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:04,640 polyethylene sack we call it to protect 505 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:06,000 it from corrosion and put some nice 506 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:07,600 bedding around it. Back then they just 507 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:08,799 put it in the ground and bury it with 508 00:20:08,799 --> 00:20:10,640 whatever dirt was there. And so the 509 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:13,360 pipe's corroding um it it's reached its 510 00:20:13,360 --> 00:20:15,200 life and and that would be if it's in 511 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:17,520 good material. So we're we're a good way 512 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:20,480 to put is we're on bark time right now. 513 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:22,640 Um 514 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:25,760 so along with that too the project is 515 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:28,320 also to resurface the roads. We'll talk 516 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:29,520 about which ones they are here in a 517 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:31,679 minute. Um, so the benefits of the 518 00:20:31,679 --> 00:20:33,200 project obviously improves water 519 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:35,760 quality, reduces the break uh emergency 520 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:38,400 breakdowns, improves system reliability, 521 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:40,480 better control with the newer PRVs 522 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:42,159 because those PRV vaults we were in a 523 00:20:42,159 --> 00:20:44,400 few little while ago and one of out and 524 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:45,600 you literally they're on your knees 525 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:47,919 crawling into it. Um, the one the newer 526 00:20:47,919 --> 00:20:49,360 ones we put in you can stand up in and 527 00:20:49,360 --> 00:20:50,799 work things and valves. These ones are 528 00:20:50,799 --> 00:20:51,919 like you're tucking your head and on 529 00:20:51,919 --> 00:20:53,840 your knees like this trying to work in 530 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:56,320 there. Um, they're maybe three feet tall 531 00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:58,000 in there. 532 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:00,080 uh improves flow and then we get new 533 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:02,159 surface roads. So normally with these 534 00:21:02,159 --> 00:21:04,960 projects um you start off identifying 535 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:06,480 the scope of the project. This is kind 536 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:09,039 of the planning phase. Um once you kind 537 00:21:09,039 --> 00:21:10,799 of identify what you need, you plan the 538 00:21:10,799 --> 00:21:12,720 project. Then you establish how you're 539 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:14,960 going to fund the project. Um depending 540 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:16,799 on how you fund it. If it's self-funded, 541 00:21:16,799 --> 00:21:20,559 that timeline is um reduced a lot. But 542 00:21:20,559 --> 00:21:22,720 with us having to seek funding, you 543 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:23,919 know, it can be a six to 12 month 544 00:21:23,919 --> 00:21:25,919 process to go through funding agencies. 545 00:21:25,919 --> 00:21:27,360 Then you got to design the project 546 00:21:27,360 --> 00:21:28,799 usually six month process and then 547 00:21:28,799 --> 00:21:30,159 construct it. Probably six to eight 548 00:21:30,159 --> 00:21:32,080 months to construct it. So you can see 549 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:33,679 we're probably at least still a year or 550 00:21:33,679 --> 00:21:35,520 so to be able to do this project. But 551 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:37,440 the first step is to figure out how to 552 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:39,120 that we're at well step we're at now is 553 00:21:39,120 --> 00:21:40,799 figure out how to fund it. We know what 554 00:21:40,799 --> 00:21:42,159 needs to be done. We've identified the 555 00:21:42,159 --> 00:21:44,159 scope. We've cost it. We planned it. Now 556 00:21:44,159 --> 00:21:46,400 we got to figure out how to fund it. So 557 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:48,480 to do that 558 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:51,360 we have to look at costs the project and 559 00:21:51,360 --> 00:21:54,559 the costs. So I broke this into two 560 00:21:54,559 --> 00:21:55,760 because as we look at the funding 561 00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:59,039 options broke this into two phases. Uh 562 00:21:59,039 --> 00:22:02,320 it's called phase 2 one phase 2 two. So 563 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:05,200 phase one of the water line we completed 564 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:09,919 about five years ago 2020 2021 and that 565 00:22:09,919 --> 00:22:11,360 was about four miles of water line three 566 00:22:11,360 --> 00:22:13,440 and a half four miles of water line. Uh 567 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:15,520 it was about a $4 million project at 568 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:20,480 that time. Um this um would be phase two 569 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:22,159 and then I broke it into two phases as 570 00:22:22,159 --> 00:22:24,240 we look at the funding options and 571 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:26,320 basically just split it. So phase the 572 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:28,320 first phase called through one would be 573 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:31,120 Melbell, East Lake View and East Valley. 574 00:22:31,120 --> 00:22:32,320 So basically everything mountain bell 575 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:35,200 and down um and then phase two is 576 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:37,520 schoolhouse highline sky lake homestead 577 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:39,679 and then part of settlement. um 578 00:22:39,679 --> 00:22:41,360 primarily schoolhouse, highline, sky 579 00:22:41,360 --> 00:22:42,880 lake all around city building here and 580 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:44,240 then you got a little bit of homestead 581 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:46,720 and settle was put [clears throat] in 582 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:50,320 prior to the develop thousand oak to 583 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:52,880 some of the other and they almost split 584 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:56,799 evenly in costs. So about 3.75 is phase 585 00:22:56,799 --> 00:23:02,880 2 one and 2.7 is phase two two. 586 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:04,320 So then we look at how do we build 587 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:06,799 these? How do we fund these projects? So 588 00:23:06,799 --> 00:23:08,640 I went through and I looked at different 589 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:11,200 kind of options for funding. Now um back 590 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:14,400 at the first of the year we applied for 591 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:17,120 a grant with Owen's office office a 592 00:23:17,120 --> 00:23:19,600 federal earmark. Uh the conversation the 593 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:20,960 last conversation I had with them is 594 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:23,600 that money has been moved on to 595 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:25,200 Congress. It has passed through 596 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:27,760 committee at the federal congressional 597 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:30,640 level but it hasn't got congressional 598 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:32,480 approval. and he said that could be 599 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:34,000 sometime, 600 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:35,280 you know, it may take up to the end of 601 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:37,679 the year to get that. Um, they don't 602 00:23:37,679 --> 00:23:39,679 know when it's going to happen. Uh, 603 00:23:39,679 --> 00:23:43,120 they've only approved one bill so far. I 604 00:23:43,120 --> 00:23:44,480 think this is bill number three or 605 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:46,720 something like that. He said there are I 606 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:48,799 don't remember how many hundreds of 607 00:23:48,799 --> 00:23:51,440 projects on on this bill. Um, I think 608 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:53,120 when I kind of look through the bill, we 609 00:23:53,120 --> 00:23:56,400 were Burgess Owens had four of them that 610 00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:58,640 got moved on through committee to for 611 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:00,159 congressional approval. So, we were one 612 00:24:00,159 --> 00:24:01,280 of four. 613 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:03,039 Is that for the full amount? 614 00:24:03,039 --> 00:24:06,320 >> No. So, we so we actually got less than 615 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:08,240 what we requested. Uh the federal grant 616 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:11,600 that they have moved on is 850,000. 617 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:13,679 >> We had started out requesting 4.7 618 00:24:13,679 --> 00:24:15,200 million and they said 619 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:15,919 >> no chance. 620 00:24:15,919 --> 00:24:18,400 >> You can apply for up to 5 million. 621 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:20,400 >> Uh we applied for 4.7. They they called 622 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:21,760 back and they said, "Yeah, there's five 623 00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:23,279 million. We're not going to even pass 624 00:24:23,279 --> 00:24:25,919 Utah." Um 625 00:24:25,919 --> 00:24:28,000 so then we applied for like two and a 626 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:30,880 half million and that's the that went 627 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:33,600 in. Uh his office called back and said, 628 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:35,200 "What are some other options you would 629 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:37,600 have for lesser funding?" So, I sent him 630 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:39,679 three options, the least of which was a 631 00:24:39,679 --> 00:24:41,440 million dollars with us doing a half a 632 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:43,600 million dollar grant out of our capital 633 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:46,320 monies we have for water replacement. Um 634 00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:48,159 and then ultimately got moved on from 635 00:24:48,159 --> 00:24:50,159 the committee, the congressional the 636 00:24:50,159 --> 00:24:53,440 national committee at 850,000. 637 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:54,880 That would be a federal grant. And then 638 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:56,960 we offered to match uh up to a half 639 00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:59,760 million out of our capital funds for 640 00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:01,840 water replacement. 641 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:04,320 So if you look at So then what I looked 642 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:07,840 at is how would we fund this project? So 643 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:10,640 funding terms right now generally you 644 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:13,520 can get up to 30-year uh funding option 645 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:16,320 through the state division of drinking 646 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:20,799 water water um revolving 647 00:25:20,799 --> 00:25:22,320 loans 648 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:26,159 and their interest is varies 3% interest 649 00:25:26,159 --> 00:25:29,760 now I assume that this would be no grant 650 00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:32,480 money 651 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:35,520 um from the state now likely we will get 652 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:38,159 some grant money, but for kind of worst 653 00:25:38,159 --> 00:25:39,520 case, I just assume because we don't 654 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:41,600 know that till we spend an application. 655 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:43,440 I did look at uh well, we'll talk about 656 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:45,440 here in a second. So, our average water 657 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:49,840 bill uh in our city in 2025 was $127 a 658 00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:53,360 month um approximately. So, 659 00:25:53,360 --> 00:25:55,760 the state, they do what they call an 660 00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:58,159 affordable water bill calculation when 661 00:25:58,159 --> 00:25:59,440 they determine if you're eligible for 662 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:02,240 grant money. Um for our city, the 663 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:04,880 affordable water bill is around 100. 664 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:06,880 It's based on your median adjusted gross 665 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:10,480 income um for our city and based on that 666 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:12,320 our they say our affordable water bill 667 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:15,279 is around $132 a month. So we're 668 00:26:15,279 --> 00:26:17,279 slightly under what they say we our 669 00:26:17,279 --> 00:26:19,440 water bill is now when you now that 670 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:22,960 that's without any additional loans or 671 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:26,880 funding debt if you will. Um, so once 672 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:28,400 you start applying for the grants, what 673 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:30,720 they do is they try and give you grant 674 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,760 money, 0% interest money to keep you 675 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:35,279 somewhere around that affordable water 676 00:26:35,279 --> 00:26:36,799 bill. So it was likely we'd get some 677 00:26:36,799 --> 00:26:38,480 grant because once we take if we take on 678 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:39,919 debt, our water bill is going to have to 679 00:26:39,919 --> 00:26:42,159 go up and then they'll try and give us 680 00:26:42,159 --> 00:26:44,240 grant money to keep it as low as they 681 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:47,200 can near that 132ish. 682 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:50,400 Now, well, let me set back. That's their 683 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:52,320 goal. It all depends on how much money 684 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:55,360 they have available to grant and likely 685 00:26:55,360 --> 00:26:56,400 they're not going to have enough 686 00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:58,159 available uh in there because it comes 687 00:26:58,159 --> 00:27:00,799 from their state money not federal their 688 00:27:00,799 --> 00:27:03,600 grant money. So we probably won't we'll 689 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:05,200 probably get some grant but I don't know 690 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:08,720 how much right now. So when you look at 691 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:10,320 the available city funds the federal 692 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:12,400 grant then I looked at just three 693 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:14,799 funding options. One is if we were to 694 00:27:14,799 --> 00:27:17,840 fund the total project. 695 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:19,760 Two, if we were to do one of the two 696 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:21,840 phases, and they're both similar, so 697 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:24,240 it's about the same for either one. And 698 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,159 three, if we did all the project except 699 00:27:26,159 --> 00:27:27,760 for homestead and settlement, which is 700 00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:29,279 probably the later pipelines that were 701 00:27:29,279 --> 00:27:34,000 put in um if we left those out for now. 702 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,720 And then I looked at uh those three 703 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:38,960 options with two different scenarios. 704 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:42,720 One would be uh with the 850k if we get 705 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:44,400 that. One would be without it if we 706 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:46,080 don't get that. 707 00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:47,440 >> That's what that is. Okay. 708 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:47,919 >> Yeah. 709 00:27:47,919 --> 00:27:49,679 >> I was staring at it trying to decipher 710 00:27:49,679 --> 00:27:50,480 what all that 711 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:51,600 >> what that meant. 712 00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:56,240 >> Yeah. So like uh 1 W850k. That's option 713 00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:58,960 one with the 850,000 from the federal 714 00:27:58,960 --> 00:27:59,520 government. 715 00:27:59,520 --> 00:27:59,919 >> Okay. 716 00:27:59,919 --> 00:28:01,360 >> Because that means what that basically 717 00:28:01,360 --> 00:28:03,120 means is now we're borrowing less from 718 00:28:03,120 --> 00:28:05,360 the from the state revolving funds. 719 00:28:05,360 --> 00:28:10,000 >> Yeah. Right. So, if we uh contributed 720 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:11,840 our available funds of a half million 721 00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:13,840 and we got the federal grant money, that 722 00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:15,919 brings the number down by 1.35 million. 723 00:28:15,919 --> 00:28:17,679 So, it' be 4.1 million is what we'd have 724 00:28:17,679 --> 00:28:19,679 to loan. Um, and then if you look at a 725 00:28:19,679 --> 00:28:22,559 30-year loan with 3% interest, basically 726 00:28:22,559 --> 00:28:24,640 the water rate goes up by about $30 a 727 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:26,640 little over $30. It's what we'd have to 728 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,600 increase the monthly rate to. 729 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:31,039 And then you can see just going down the 730 00:28:31,039 --> 00:28:33,520 table, if we didn't get the 850k and had 731 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:35,039 that same scenario, we'd have to 732 00:28:35,039 --> 00:28:38,159 increase it by $36.50. 733 00:28:38,159 --> 00:28:39,600 Now, once again, it's considering no 734 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:42,240 grant money from the state. 735 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:44,159 Option two, if we did half of the 736 00:28:44,159 --> 00:28:47,600 project, then we would with the 850k, 737 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:49,919 we'd have to loan about 1.4 million 738 00:28:49,919 --> 00:28:51,760 state revolving funds. It'd raise our 739 00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:53,679 annual water our monthly water rate by 740 00:28:53,679 --> 00:28:54,880 about $10. 741 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:56,399 >> But that's only to do half of it. 742 00:28:56,399 --> 00:28:58,240 >> It's only to do half the project. If we 743 00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:00,399 don't get the $850,000, then it raises 744 00:29:00,399 --> 00:29:04,080 it $16.50 is what we have to raise it do 745 00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:06,399 have project. 746 00:29:06,399 --> 00:29:08,559 And then the third option to do all of 747 00:29:08,559 --> 00:29:10,159 the project except for homestead and 748 00:29:10,159 --> 00:29:11,600 settlement. You can see what the numbers 749 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:13,440 are there with and without the 850k 750 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:16,240 would be $25 a month and $31 a month is 751 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:19,520 what we'd have to pay. You can see uh 752 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:21,120 all those scenarios take us over our 753 00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:24,240 affordable water bill. So what would 754 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,480 happen is likely we would get some grant 755 00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,760 money with this um at least the state 756 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:31,039 would try to get us grant money if they 757 00:29:31,039 --> 00:29:32,320 have that grant money available. 758 00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:33,840 >> So is the idea though Chad is that we 759 00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:35,679 would have to execute this plan and then 760 00:29:35,679 --> 00:29:37,520 once this is in effect then you hope 761 00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:38,799 they have the grant money. 762 00:29:38,799 --> 00:29:40,080 >> So what you do is you submit an 763 00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:41,520 application and I work with the state 764 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:42,880 quite a bit on these. I've done it for 765 00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,279 years uh with with the division of 766 00:29:45,279 --> 00:29:48,080 drinking water. Um what you do is you 767 00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:49,679 fill out their application, you put in 768 00:29:49,679 --> 00:29:52,159 your request and then you start working 769 00:29:52,159 --> 00:29:55,200 one of their funding staff members and 770 00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:57,760 they will then make recommendations on 771 00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:01,360 how much to um 772 00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:04,000 give for grant money and that's based on 773 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,159 what they have available and what they 774 00:30:06,159 --> 00:30:07,279 do to try and keep you around that 775 00:30:07,279 --> 00:30:10,559 affordable water bill criteria. Um so 776 00:30:10,559 --> 00:30:12,399 there's kind of a play back and forth 777 00:30:12,399 --> 00:30:14,960 but until you submit your application 778 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:17,440 you just don't you don't know and start 779 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:18,880 working with them. I did put a phone 780 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:20,559 call into her the other day, uh, one 781 00:30:20,559 --> 00:30:22,159 that I worked with the law to see if she 782 00:30:22,159 --> 00:30:23,279 had a phone call back yet just to see 783 00:30:23,279 --> 00:30:25,440 where they're at, 784 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:27,120 um, with what kind of grant monies they 785 00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:29,200 have available. Back about five, six 786 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:30,880 months ago, they didn't have a whole lot 787 00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:32,960 available. I mean, we're talking maybe a 788 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:34,399 couple hundred thousand. So, they be 789 00:30:34,399 --> 00:30:36,720 able to get 790 00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:37,919 How does that change? How does that 791 00:30:37,919 --> 00:30:40,159 fluctuate with the state? Is it um I 792 00:30:40,159 --> 00:30:41,919 mean I don't know if drought conditions 793 00:30:41,919 --> 00:30:43,919 have anything to do with it or like for 794 00:30:43,919 --> 00:30:46,399 example if we had a good water year can 795 00:30:46,399 --> 00:30:49,039 we reapply every year we get 100 grand 796 00:30:49,039 --> 00:30:50,960 this year could we reapply again to get 797 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:53,760 that down to our water rate over the 798 00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:56,320 course of time or is it a one-time 799 00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:57,679 application with them? 800 00:30:57,679 --> 00:31:00,399 >> No you can apply but you have to the 801 00:31:00,399 --> 00:31:01,760 biggest thing with the state is you have 802 00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:03,440 to demonstrate that you have the means 803 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:07,039 to repay the debt. So, and the only way 804 00:31:07,039 --> 00:31:09,679 since our water fund is an enterprise 805 00:31:09,679 --> 00:31:12,240 fund, water has to pay for water. So, 806 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,399 the only way we can pay for this debt is 807 00:31:14,399 --> 00:31:16,559 through our water, what we collect 808 00:31:16,559 --> 00:31:17,200 residents. 809 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:18,960 >> That's why water rates go low. 810 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:19,360 >> Yeah. 811 00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:21,200 >> That's why then they get concerned. 812 00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,440 >> Each time you request money, you have to 813 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:24,640 demonstrate to the state that you can 814 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:26,399 pay back that loan. And you do that 815 00:31:26,399 --> 00:31:28,480 through showing them through your what 816 00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:31,200 you collect in your water revenues will 817 00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:33,440 satisfy the debt. 818 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:34,880 So when you look at this, I was doing a 819 00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:37,360 water rate analysis. I take all of our 820 00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:40,320 annual costs for our water system and 821 00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:42,240 then I tack onto that what a loan 822 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:43,919 payment would be if we were to take out 823 00:31:43,919 --> 00:31:46,559 this much money over 30 years. And then 824 00:31:46,559 --> 00:31:48,240 I go through and I calculate all of our 825 00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:52,320 revenue we get and then we we um then 826 00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:54,000 just start playing with the water base 827 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:55,679 to see what it would take to satisfy 828 00:31:55,679 --> 00:31:57,200 that additional loan payment in our 829 00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:59,760 debts for the annual. That's where these 830 00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:03,039 numbers come from. Um, so you can 831 00:32:03,039 --> 00:32:04,799 reapply as much as you want, just each 832 00:32:04,799 --> 00:32:06,320 time you have to raise your water rate. 833 00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:07,840 Their recommendation is you try to do as 834 00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:10,960 much as you can uh at one time so you're 835 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,200 not raising your water rate every six, 836 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:20,870 you know, six months or whatever. 837 00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:22,720 So the real question, Ted, then is we 838 00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:24,960 have two monsters out there, phase 2 839 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:28,000 one, phase 2 two. Both of them are, as 840 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:31,120 you said, way past due. Yeah, 841 00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:32,640 >> they're the original water lines. 842 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:35,200 >> They're the original ones. Um, one of my 843 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:38,080 questions would be then based on 844 00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:40,399 geographic nature, pressures of 845 00:32:40,399 --> 00:32:42,080 downhill, all that kind of gravity 846 00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:45,120 stuff. Um, if you had to choose one or 847 00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:46,720 the other, do you have a gut feeling 848 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:47,840 which one? 849 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:49,840 >> Yeah, I would probably start to one 850 00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:51,519 >> because it would be probably the older 851 00:32:51,519 --> 00:32:53,440 water lines because the city kind of 852 00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:56,559 started down Maple Works. We have the 853 00:32:56,559 --> 00:32:58,320 and the more recent breaks we've had 854 00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:01,919 have been right down in that area 855 00:33:01,919 --> 00:33:03,360 >> some cases. So, I'd probably start there 856 00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:05,840 on 21, 857 00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:07,919 which would be if we raised it by $10 858 00:33:07,919 --> 00:33:09,919 and got the 850k, we could get that one 859 00:33:09,919 --> 00:33:17,350 done. Um, if we raise it, 1650. 860 00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:19,279 Now, one thing you could do is you could 861 00:33:19,279 --> 00:33:21,039 also go backwards. You can say, "Okay, 862 00:33:21,039 --> 00:33:22,720 we feel like ultimately this comes down 863 00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:24,640 to what you feel comfortable doing." You 864 00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:26,799 know, not raising them or how much do we 865 00:33:26,799 --> 00:33:29,440 raise them and you can say okay we feel 866 00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:31,600 like we can squeeze $20 a month. Then 867 00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:33,200 you can go backwards and say okay how 868 00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:37,590 much project you get done 869 00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:40,799 » both the flat fee rate and the usage or 870 00:33:40,799 --> 00:33:42,320 just the flat fee rate 871 00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:44,320 >> combination of the two. 872 00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:46,720 >> Yeah. So I look kind of at both. Now 873 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:48,240 when I look at these numbers I'm just 874 00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:50,159 adjusting the flat fee just because it's 875 00:33:50,159 --> 00:33:53,120 simple chart but you can look at 876 00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:54,880 adjusting either way. So you can raise 877 00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:58,080 your tiered rates by a quarter or 50 878 00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:00,320 cents per thousand. Um, when I was 879 00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:02,480 messing around with this to start with, 880 00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:04,000 I was actually doing that. I would raise 881 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:07,440 our our base rate by 10 bucks and then I 882 00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:11,599 would start raising the tiered rates by 883 00:34:11,599 --> 00:34:14,560 25 cents, 50 cents for each tier, 884 00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:16,480 whatever. 885 00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:19,599 And to see what we get for coverage um 886 00:34:19,599 --> 00:34:21,440 in the end, it doesn't change what the 887 00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:25,270 >> It doesn't. 888 00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:27,599 » Yeah. So I included it was just a 889 00:34:27,599 --> 00:34:30,159 straight cost for them. 890 00:34:30,159 --> 00:34:32,480 >> In phase one, we we raised a little. 891 00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:34,879 What did we What did we raise of them? 892 00:34:34,879 --> 00:34:36,240 The water raise. 893 00:34:36,240 --> 00:34:38,800 >> It was $28. That's what I thought. So 894 00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:41,760 relatively speaking, this isn't out of 895 00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:44,079 comparison with the last water project 896 00:34:44,079 --> 00:34:46,560 we did. 897 00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:49,359 It's just, you know, some people it's 898 00:34:49,359 --> 00:34:51,040 everything's expensive right now and it 899 00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:53,839 is hard for some people. 900 00:34:53,839 --> 00:34:56,000 >> Those water lines keep breaking. It's a 901 00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:56,639 big deal. 902 00:34:56,639 --> 00:34:58,320 >> I mean, it's a balance and I get it. I 903 00:34:58,320 --> 00:34:59,920 mean, when I've done tons of these 904 00:34:59,920 --> 00:35:01,280 presentations, 905 00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:02,880 >> uh, the worst one I ever did, we had to 906 00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,200 raise one rate from like $30 a month to 907 00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:06,880 150 in one shop. 908 00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:08,480 >> Um, because they had to replace our 909 00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:12,720 water system. the uh I've done lots of 910 00:35:12,720 --> 00:35:13,920 these over the years and you find there 911 00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:15,599 are kind of three groups of people. 912 00:35:15,599 --> 00:35:18,240 There's there's the group of people who 913 00:35:18,240 --> 00:35:20,560 you know they're on fixed incomes, every 914 00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:23,359 dollar counts and and those you know you 915 00:35:23,359 --> 00:35:25,680 feel bad because you hate raising rates 916 00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:26,960 because you know this is going to impact 917 00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:28,960 them. But on the flip side you also want 918 00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:31,200 to keep reliable water for the 919 00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:33,280 residents. You know then there's a group 920 00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:35,440 who usually are okay. Yeah, sure. We'd 921 00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:36,800 rather have reliable system go ahead 922 00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:40,400 raise it a month. No problem. A little 923 00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:43,040 more disposable income there. Um then 924 00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:44,320 you got those some who just don't like 925 00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:46,800 you to raise rates just because you're 926 00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:47,200 taxing. 927 00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:48,720 >> Yeah, absolutely. 928 00:35:48,720 --> 00:35:52,240 >> Um so those are usually the three groups 929 00:35:52,240 --> 00:35:54,079 and and I don't know how you make the 930 00:35:54,079 --> 00:35:55,599 right call, but 931 00:35:55,599 --> 00:35:57,040 >> I wanted to throw this out there because 932 00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:58,400 you can see we're probably still at 933 00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:00,800 least a year or so away even get to a 934 00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:01,599 project, 935 00:36:01,599 --> 00:36:03,359 >> but we really need to start the process 936 00:36:03,359 --> 00:36:06,000 fairly soon if we want to try and get 937 00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:08,640 these water lines replaced. I think too, 938 00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:11,280 I mean, our our primary role is health, 939 00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:14,000 safety, and welfare of our citizens and 940 00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:18,320 clean water is is probably top. Um, fire 941 00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:20,560 safety and and road safety, including 942 00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:22,880 snow plowing is is they're all right up 943 00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:26,480 there, but um I think that it's it's a 944 00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:28,079 serious consideration 945 00:36:28,079 --> 00:36:29,920 >> and the water lines are 946 00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:30,800 >> for fire, too. 947 00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:32,960 >> Most important part of fire protection, 948 00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:33,200 right? 949 00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:36,720 >> Yeah. So, so we have multiple 950 00:36:36,720 --> 00:36:40,960 reasons why and and um I know in the 951 00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:42,480 past people say well why are we doing 952 00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:44,560 this if we need to raise water but again 953 00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:47,280 it's it's state law that water has to 954 00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:50,240 pay for water and which means that rates 955 00:36:50,240 --> 00:36:52,240 are the only thing really other than the 956 00:36:52,240 --> 00:36:55,200 grants that we can get which are limited 957 00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:57,520 all across the board obviously because 958 00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:59,839 the state is limited federal we're just 959 00:36:59,839 --> 00:37:02,800 lucky to get up to number four. Yeah, 960 00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,760 >> that's that's a rarity. Um, 961 00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:06,960 >> yeah, we were uh 962 00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:08,560 >> so 963 00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:11,599 >> blessed to get through that one that 964 00:37:11,599 --> 00:37:13,359 >> he started out on 20 and I think more 965 00:37:13,359 --> 00:37:15,280 made it through the committee 966 00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:18,320 >> back at the national. So in my mind, I 967 00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:22,000 think that most people if if we can make 968 00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,640 sure to present all of this at, you 969 00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:26,400 know, the town hall meeting that we'll 970 00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:28,320 probably have. 971 00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:29,680 >> Yeah. 972 00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:31,200 >> But if we have a town hall meeting first 973 00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:33,760 and then the public hearing, it's better 974 00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,160 because you've you've had a chance to 975 00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:38,320 explain yourself, get all the questions 976 00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:40,960 answered before you have to take a vote. 977 00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:42,640 >> Well, and here's why I wanted to start 978 00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:46,960 presenting this at this time. um because 979 00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:50,480 before we can really know what kind of 980 00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:54,640 um actual funding now these are all once 981 00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:57,200 again approximate all subject to change 982 00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:59,680 depending on what's available I try to 983 00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:01,920 keep updated with my costs I mean these 984 00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:03,520 cost estimates have been prepared for 985 00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:04,800 three or four years and I just keep 986 00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:07,440 updating them um but they're always 987 00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:09,839 subject to change based on costs and all 988 00:38:09,839 --> 00:38:11,280 that kind of stuff but this kind of 989 00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:12,560 gives you an idea of what we're looking 990 00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:15,599 at Um, the first step is to submit an 991 00:38:15,599 --> 00:38:16,640 application, but to submit an 992 00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:18,160 application, I have to know how much to 993 00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:20,720 fund. And that's kind of what I was 994 00:38:20,720 --> 00:38:23,599 looking for direction is what do we want 995 00:38:23,599 --> 00:38:26,320 to fund? You can see how it impacts the 996 00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:28,720 rates. And I put that there so you have 997 00:38:28,720 --> 00:38:30,160 an idea. Okay, do we really want to try 998 00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:31,599 and fund the whole thing knowing we 999 00:38:31,599 --> 00:38:34,960 could go up as high as 30 bucks a month 1000 00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:36,240 for residents or do we want to look at 1001 00:38:36,240 --> 00:38:38,560 funding half of it now and raise it 10 1002 00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:43,280 to $20 or you know look at $25 or $30 1003 00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:45,680 and go up to all of it but those are 1004 00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:48,079 there. So want to kind of get some 1005 00:38:48,079 --> 00:38:50,240 direction from the council on what you 1006 00:38:50,240 --> 00:38:52,880 think uh we should start pursuing as far 1007 00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:54,320 as funding because I have to submit a 1008 00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:54,960 cost. 1009 00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:57,040 >> I like one or three. 1010 00:38:57,040 --> 00:39:00,320 >> Yeah. Um, I I worry just a little bit 1011 00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:02,880 about having two ticking time bombs, 1012 00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:04,400 choosing one, and then just knowing that 1013 00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:08,880 we still have the same there. Um, I 1014 00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:10,800 would like to consider what it would 1015 00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:12,800 take to do 1016 00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:16,320 the full kit. Um, 1017 00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:22,390 but I I do think 1018 00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:24,720 so one is total project which includes 1019 00:39:24,720 --> 00:39:26,640 homestead and settlement. Is there a 1020 00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:29,839 version that is the total project it's 1021 00:39:29,839 --> 00:39:31,839 but without home and settlement? 1022 00:39:31,839 --> 00:39:32,640 >> So you have these 1023 00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:33,200 >> number three 1024 00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:35,920 >> three is that all but home 1025 00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:38,880 >> all but okay so um 1026 00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:41,440 >> what to them they you have to do we have 1027 00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:43,599 to look at those 1028 00:39:43,599 --> 00:39:45,280 >> yeah do those or so 1029 00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:48,320 >> they you feel there's a lot more life in 1030 00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:49,760 those potentially than 1031 00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:51,599 >> well they're of the ones that are 1032 00:39:51,599 --> 00:39:53,920 remaining to be replaced I believe 1033 00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:56,160 they're 6 in the smaller 1034 00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:58,320 But those would be some of the last ones 1035 00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:01,680 that were put in. Uh we haven't had any 1036 00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:03,119 issues since I've been here with those 1037 00:40:03,119 --> 00:40:06,000 lines. Um so you might could stretch 1038 00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:07,599 those out another five years and then do 1039 00:40:07,599 --> 00:40:08,480 a 1040 00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:10,240 >> and those two roads were on the pavement 1041 00:40:10,240 --> 00:40:13,760 management plan. So we have done some 1042 00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:15,440 maintenance to those roads within the 1043 00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:18,400 last three years 1044 00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:22,000 versus the other roads here talking have 1045 00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,079 not been touched at all due to this 1046 00:40:24,079 --> 00:40:26,320 project. 1047 00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:27,760 Yeah, you could say if you say, "Okay, 1048 00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:30,800 we think we could maybe let's shoot for 1049 00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:33,520 uh we think we ought to shoot for one or 1050 00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:35,040 three, you know, knowing the rate could 1051 00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:37,920 be around a $30 a month increase. We 1052 00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:39,040 could go for that." Now, you don't 1053 00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:40,560 always have to accept the loan and you 1054 00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:42,320 don't I could we can get so far down the 1055 00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:44,320 road and say, "Wow, this is getting a 1056 00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:45,520 little steep." 1057 00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:47,280 >> And I mean, it's not great. Then you 1058 00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:49,040 kind of start back over again. 1059 00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:50,720 >> But the difference between the two is 1060 00:40:50,720 --> 00:40:52,800 like five. 1061 00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:55,040 >> I know. between one and three. 1062 00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:57,280 >> Yeah. So, my question is 1063 00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:58,480 >> not that much. 1064 00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:01,359 >> I mean, is it a gamble to not do 1065 00:41:01,359 --> 00:41:03,440 homestead and settlement? I I know you 1066 00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:06,240 say they're newer, but what if we what 1067 00:41:06,240 --> 00:41:08,319 if we do three and then all of a sudden 1068 00:41:08,319 --> 00:41:10,880 we start having all kinds of problems? I 1069 00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:12,640 I'm just saying the difference is five 1070 00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:15,680 bucks versus I'm not saying don't I'm 1071 00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:17,040 not saying do it if we don't need it, 1072 00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:18,720 but 1073 00:41:18,720 --> 00:41:21,200 the difference is so small. 1074 00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:24,000 How much would it cost then later if we 1075 00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:26,319 have to go back and do those two? Like 1076 00:41:26,319 --> 00:41:27,839 what? Do you see what I'm saying? 1077 00:41:27,839 --> 00:41:28,960 >> Yeah. Well, there's always two things 1078 00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:29,680 that inflate. 1079 00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:30,960 >> It's gonna be cheaper maybe to do it all 1080 00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:31,440 at once 1081 00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:33,359 >> because costs never go down. 1082 00:41:33,359 --> 00:41:34,160 >> Yeah. 1083 00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:35,920 >> Those projects get more just get more 1084 00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:37,839 expensive the longer you do. 1085 00:41:37,839 --> 00:41:40,000 >> And secondly, I always tell people it's 1086 00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:42,240 about $1,500 a foot to repair a water 1087 00:41:42,240 --> 00:41:45,200 line and about $100 a foot to replace 1088 00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:50,000 when you do big projects. Um, so you're you know, obviously it's a big 1089 00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:52,640 project, but when we have repair a water 1090 00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:55,280 line, you know, it's by the time you you 1091 00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:56,480 dig it up and do all the repair and all 1092 00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:59,280 that kind of stuff, you're $59 a foot. 1093 00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:00,560 So that does bring up a question like 1094 00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:02,240 that then is let's suppose that we do 1095 00:42:02,240 --> 00:42:03,839 have 1096 00:42:03,839 --> 00:42:05,359 something that requires a repair that's 1097 00:42:05,359 --> 00:42:08,800 significant as we're waiting for funding 1098 00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:11,599 and and getting this going that five 1099 00:42:11,599 --> 00:42:14,400 that comes out of the $500,000 available 1100 00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:16,400 city funds or where does that come? I'm 1101 00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:18,480 just worried about if that 500,000 gets 1102 00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:20,160 absorbed somewhere else in the project 1103 00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:21,920 before we fund. 1104 00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:24,400 >> No. And that was what a commitment we 1105 00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:28,000 made that we have in some capital monies 1106 00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:30,720 that um can go towards the project. We 1107 00:42:30,720 --> 00:42:32,079 have separate budget for our water 1108 00:42:32,079 --> 00:42:32,640 maintenance. 1109 00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:33,920 >> Okay. All right. Water maintenance 1110 00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:38,790 budget. Annual water maintenance budget. 1111 00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:44,720 So, yeah, what I want to do is just um 1112 00:42:44,720 --> 00:42:46,560 get some direction on how to approach 1113 00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:48,240 this to submit an application so I can 1114 00:42:48,240 --> 00:42:50,400 start working with the state figuring 1115 00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:52,319 out. But to do this, I got to submit 1116 00:42:52,319 --> 00:42:55,040 them a project and submit a project. 1117 00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:56,400 What project we want to submit? We want 1118 00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:58,560 to submit whole thing. do option two, 1119 00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:00,480 option three, whatever because I got to 1120 00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:03,040 turn in a project to them and it cost 1121 00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:04,800 and then we'll go through the funding 1122 00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:06,800 knowing that you know we can probably 1123 00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:08,800 get some grant money will help us out a 1124 00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:11,359 little bit but I just kind of put what I 1125 00:43:11,359 --> 00:43:12,560 hopefully would be kind of worst case 1126 00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:13,920 here like no we don't have any grant 1127 00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:15,119 money available you're going to take a 1128 00:43:15,119 --> 00:43:17,119 loan and then sometimes they also give 1129 00:43:17,119 --> 00:43:19,520 0% interest loan which then brings down 1130 00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:21,440 the rates a little bit the last project 1131 00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:24,480 we did we got 3.7 million I believe it 1132 00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:27,680 was I think 300,000 was in grand and the 1133 00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:30,720 rest was in 0% interest. 1134 00:43:30,720 --> 00:43:34,720 >> Yeah, those those little interest. 1135 00:43:34,720 --> 00:43:37,040 >> So, you're looking from the council kind 1136 00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:39,839 of a 1137 00:43:39,839 --> 00:43:42,160 >> suggestion. I want to see what you felt 1138 00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:45,359 we should or just a suggestion um on 1139 00:43:45,359 --> 00:43:47,280 what to start pursuing at some point 1140 00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:49,359 when we when we get to where we want to 1141 00:43:49,359 --> 00:43:50,960 pull the trigger on a project and get 1142 00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:52,160 the funding. Then we'll have to go 1143 00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:53,680 through the whole public hearing, water 1144 00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:59,520 increase, all that kind of stuff. But uh to submit an application, 1145 00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:00,640 >> you got to have this. 1146 00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:03,119 >> So in knowing his approach, 1147 00:44:03,119 --> 00:44:04,880 >> so I knew council member Hutchkins was 1148 00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:06,720 not going to be able to join us today. 1149 00:44:06,720 --> 00:44:09,040 Um Council Member John's had an 1150 00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:10,640 emergency that pulled him away from 1151 00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:13,440 tonight. I had Council Member Hutchkins 1152 00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:15,599 meet with you. Are you able to share 1153 00:44:15,599 --> 00:44:17,280 kind of his thoughts as you went through 1154 00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:18,720 this with him? 1155 00:44:18,720 --> 00:44:20,960 Yeah, he was kind of of the I mean 1156 00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:23,040 obviously sympathetic with the with the 1157 00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:24,400 increase in rates and stuff like that, 1158 00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:27,040 but he was kind of at the same thought 1159 00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:29,359 process that either from what I 1160 00:44:29,359 --> 00:44:30,640 understand I don't want to put words in 1161 00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:33,200 now, but we probably one and three where 1162 00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:36,160 we get as much done as we can um you 1163 00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:38,240 know to till till we reach that breaking 1164 00:44:38,240 --> 00:44:39,760 point where people just say no I can't 1165 00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:40,960 afford that much a month or something 1166 00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:43,280 like that. So he was kind of like we 1167 00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:46,079 really he's he's more concerned about 1168 00:44:46,079 --> 00:44:48,640 you know we have these major water line 1169 00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:50,319 breaks consistently and now we're 1170 00:44:50,319 --> 00:44:51,760 spending all this money trying to fix 1171 00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:52,640 brakes 1172 00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:54,880 >> and we need to be ready for fire as you 1173 00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:57,599 pointed out. And so the water rate from 1174 00:44:57,599 --> 00:45:01,200 one and three if we get the grant is 1175 00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:04,720 only not even $5450 1176 00:45:04,720 --> 00:45:05,119 or 1177 00:45:05,119 --> 00:45:06,400 >> yeah five bucksish 1178 00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:08,079 >> five bucks and different in the water 1179 00:45:08,079 --> 00:45:10,960 rate and then the monthly increase then 1180 00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:14,319 is $5. It's not that much. 1181 00:45:14,319 --> 00:45:16,560 >> I guess I'm just trying to weigh raise 1182 00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:19,920 the rates versus paying more later for 1183 00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:22,240 two streets if when the time you know 1184 00:45:22,240 --> 00:45:22,640 what I'm saying 1185 00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:24,240 >> because the whole city has to pay which 1186 00:45:24,240 --> 00:45:26,560 one's better. No matter where we do the 1187 00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:28,160 projects, 1188 00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:30,560 >> pay a little bit more now or pay 1189 00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:32,720 >> well pay play pay a lot less here 1190 00:45:32,720 --> 00:45:35,520 because $5 isn't that much where if it's 1191 00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:38,640 a whole new project it may be higher, 1192 00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:39,040 right? 1193 00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:40,800 >> Well, it would be higher because the 1194 00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:43,520 project would be a much smaller project 1195 00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:45,280 and thus they cost 1196 00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:47,359 >> more. Uhuh. Because you'd be bringing 1197 00:45:47,359 --> 00:45:49,440 all that equipment back up here and for 1198 00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:51,839 a whole new project 1199 00:45:51,839 --> 00:45:53,280 or engineering all the things 1200 00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:55,200 >> kind of going towards one 1201 00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:57,040 Just a thought. 1202 00:45:57,040 --> 00:45:58,560 >> Yeah. I mean I 1203 00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:00,560 >> Jody's making a face though. Are you 1204 00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:01,920 going to get the brunt when the rates go 1205 00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:02,400 up? 1206 00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:04,160 >> That's how I see. I'm a catch22 for me 1207 00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:05,359 because I really know we need these 1208 00:46:05,359 --> 00:46:08,079 water projects done because 1209 00:46:08,079 --> 00:46:10,240 usually me and mayor and Toby out there 1210 00:46:10,240 --> 00:46:11,760 at 3 in the morning these things happen, 1211 00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:12,720 you know, trying to get these things 1212 00:46:12,720 --> 00:46:15,680 repaired and people all that stuff. On 1213 00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:17,359 the other hand, then I I call my wife 1214 00:46:17,359 --> 00:46:19,200 says, "Oh, 1215 00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:21,760 you know, 1216 00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:23,520 >> well, people who don't haven't lived on 1217 00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:25,920 a street that's been 1218 00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:28,000 in the toilet for a really long time 1219 00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:29,839 with a lot of water breaks don't 1220 00:46:29,839 --> 00:46:31,440 understand 1221 00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:33,520 when you find you just wake up and the 1222 00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:35,680 water's off and it's not going to be on 1223 00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:38,240 for the whole day." And that that can be 1224 00:46:38,240 --> 00:46:40,720 a real disruption to people's lives. And 1225 00:46:40,720 --> 00:46:44,079 so um in a lot of different ways and the 1226 00:46:44,079 --> 00:46:46,560 same again if we add in that fire 1227 00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:50,079 component um I think that we don't want 1228 00:46:50,079 --> 00:46:54,880 to put ourselves or our city at risk. 1229 00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:57,920 We we say that we'll have clean and 1230 00:46:57,920 --> 00:46:59,920 healthy water and we test it multiple 1231 00:46:59,920 --> 00:47:03,119 times a week and uh to maintain that 1232 00:47:03,119 --> 00:47:05,680 part of it. So why not have a delivery 1233 00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:10,400 system that also I mean how much do we don't even know how much we lose 1234 00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:12,480 because the holes are there and it's 1235 00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:14,240 just seeping back into the ground. We 1236 00:47:14,240 --> 00:47:16,160 don't even know how much 1237 00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:19,440 >> there's a grant out there for 1238 00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:22,400 communities and leakage. 1239 00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:26,319 >> Yeah, you can do um leak detection. 1240 00:47:26,319 --> 00:47:30,640 >> Yeah, leak detection stuff like that. Um 1241 00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:32,560 generally our challenge so I I'll give 1242 00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:34,960 you one kind of the challenges that we 1243 00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:37,359 have. Um 1244 00:47:37,359 --> 00:47:43,200 so every year I have to report how much water that we produce out of 1245 00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:45,599 our well and how much we end up billing 1246 00:47:45,599 --> 00:47:47,440 people for the difference they say is 1247 00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:50,480 your water loss. Anything over a certain 1248 00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:51,920 percentage they consider pretty high 1249 00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:53,599 water loss and you've got some issues 1250 00:47:53,599 --> 00:47:55,280 with your system you got to fix. Ours is 1251 00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:57,839 never really that high. Now I don't 1252 00:47:57,839 --> 00:48:00,319 believe it's because well 1253 00:48:00,319 --> 00:48:03,520 I'm not certain that it's because of the 1254 00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:07,920 actual loss numbers. Um until just this 1255 00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:10,880 last year when we upgraded our well I 1256 00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:12,000 don't think we were getting the correct 1257 00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:14,880 meter readings. Um and so I think that 1258 00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:17,680 was the issue we were having. So in a 1259 00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:18,720 few years we'll probably have some 1260 00:48:18,720 --> 00:48:21,280 better data but right now it shows that 1261 00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:23,599 we've got a loss that's well under the 1262 00:48:23,599 --> 00:48:26,480 average challenge until we can get 1263 00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:29,520 something different. I do want to make 1264 00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:31,520 one thing clear just for the record's 1265 00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:35,599 sake. Um you know 1266 00:48:35,599 --> 00:48:38,720 there are three of us you know council 1267 00:48:38,720 --> 00:48:40,480 member Malovich, Council Member 1268 00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:43,839 Hutchings and then myself who do live on 1269 00:48:43,839 --> 00:48:46,559 these roads. It's true. I didn't think 1270 00:48:46,559 --> 00:48:47,200 about that. 1271 00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:50,559 >> Not really. I think affecting a decision 1272 00:48:50,559 --> 00:48:52,319 here, but I do want that. 1273 00:48:52,319 --> 00:48:52,880 >> No, 1274 00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:55,200 >> I don't live on any of those. I mean, 1275 00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:57,280 >> Jod's was done or sorry, Janet, yours 1276 00:48:57,280 --> 00:48:58,720 was done about five years ago. 1277 00:48:58,720 --> 00:49:00,240 >> Yeah, I know. 1278 00:49:00,240 --> 00:49:03,200 >> So, the everyone benefits at some point 1279 00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:05,599 from these water. The water system is 1280 00:49:05,599 --> 00:49:06,880 what they call loop system. It's all 1281 00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:08,319 interconnected. 1282 00:49:08,319 --> 00:49:10,800 >> So, it it can impact we can have water 1283 00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:12,559 break in one part of the city and it'll 1284 00:49:12,559 --> 00:49:14,960 throw some, you know, some We have to 1285 00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:17,520 shut down multiple streets to get it 1286 00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:18,960 fixed or it can throw off some pressures 1287 00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:22,319 in another part of the city. Um and at 1288 00:49:22,319 --> 00:49:23,760 some point everybody has to have the 1289 00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:24,800 water lines in front of their house 1290 00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:26,960 replaced. So it's a community water 1291 00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:29,760 system. That's why the community base 1292 00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:30,800 individual street. 1293 00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:33,359 >> So in this situation if we say hey go 1294 00:49:33,359 --> 00:49:37,920 for or they say go for number one option 1295 00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:42,480 number one it's the largest right? Um, 1296 00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:45,920 if we end up saying, okay, we got the 1297 00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:48,720 850 from the federal government and 1298 00:49:48,720 --> 00:49:51,040 we're able to find some others or we 1299 00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:53,599 decide to pair it down. 1300 00:49:53,599 --> 00:49:56,240 Are you able to pair it down uh in 1301 00:49:56,240 --> 00:49:58,720 through the application process versus 1302 00:49:58,720 --> 00:50:02,240 say we tell you to go say number two, 1303 00:50:02,240 --> 00:50:04,880 you really can't pair it up. 1304 00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:06,640 So, two things when you go before the 1305 00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:10,480 board. Uh, one is when you go to the 1306 00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:12,240 board, 1307 00:50:12,240 --> 00:50:14,000 between now and the time you go to the 1308 00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:16,400 board, we can pair it up or band. Uh, I 1309 00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:18,160 can adjust the application. It's usually 1310 00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:20,800 working with the state um, who I'll work 1311 00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:22,240 with to get through this process. And 1312 00:50:22,240 --> 00:50:23,760 that's when we'll find out if we'll have 1313 00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:26,480 some rent eligibility or 0% interest, 1314 00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:27,839 which will bring these numbers down, 1315 00:50:27,839 --> 00:50:29,280 right, if that happens. But we don't 1316 00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:30,640 know until I get the application and 1317 00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:33,280 start working with them. Um second, if 1318 00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:35,280 we find other grant money, then I can 1319 00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:36,720 start reducing the project with the 1320 00:50:36,720 --> 00:50:39,359 state. Now, once it goes to the board, 1321 00:50:39,359 --> 00:50:40,880 um the board authorizes it, they'll 1322 00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:42,240 author authorize it for a certain 1323 00:50:42,240 --> 00:50:44,960 amount. You can go back and say, "Okay, 1324 00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:47,760 we found some other monies to help 1325 00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:49,280 contribute. We don't need all of this. 1326 00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:50,640 We want to get part of it back." It's 1327 00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:52,640 another board action, but you can do 1328 00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:54,400 that. And and they really don't mind 1329 00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:55,520 because they get the money back to give 1330 00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:57,680 to someone else. It's a revol revolving 1331 00:50:57,680 --> 00:51:00,079 loan, right? So they loan the money out, 1332 00:51:00,079 --> 00:51:01,680 payments come back with interest, and 1333 00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:02,800 then they loan that money out to 1334 00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:04,240 somebody else. And that's how that's how 1335 00:51:04,240 --> 00:51:06,559 the state works the system. 1336 00:51:06,559 --> 00:51:07,280 >> We had 1337 00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:07,760 >> Oh, 1338 00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:11,359 >> teacher um 1339 00:51:11,359 --> 00:51:13,839 roads to redo the roads. Is that an 1340 00:51:13,839 --> 00:51:15,680 additional cost or is that figured in 1341 00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:16,000 here? 1342 00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:17,119 >> That's included in these numbers 1343 00:51:17,119 --> 00:51:18,720 >> because that would that would determine 1344 00:51:18,720 --> 00:51:20,800 my decision. So that's what I wanted to 1345 00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:21,599 make sure. 1346 00:51:21,599 --> 00:51:25,280 >> And the the roads cost about 700,000 of 1347 00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:29,670 this of this number. 1348 00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:30,559 Yeah, 1349 00:51:30,559 --> 00:51:32,559 >> I know you always say that the roads get 1350 00:51:32,559 --> 00:51:34,000 done with the water, but I just wanted 1351 00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:36,240 to make sure I wanted to clarify and ask 1352 00:51:36,240 --> 00:51:37,440 the question. 1353 00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:40,079 >> So, this is this is the road. So, the 1354 00:51:40,079 --> 00:51:41,760 full breadth of the road, 1355 00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:43,920 >> whole repave, 1356 00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:45,200 >> we'll talk about that here in a minute, 1357 00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:47,040 but repave 1358 00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:47,599 >> you turn 1359 00:51:47,599 --> 00:51:50,000 >> new water line. water, 1360 00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:53,280 >> new laterals from the water line to the 1361 00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:53,760 meter 1362 00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:54,720 >> to the meters. 1363 00:51:54,720 --> 00:51:58,160 >> New meter vaults and new meters. 1364 00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:00,319 >> Well, not I mean meters would be on us 1365 00:52:00,319 --> 00:52:01,280 as the city. 1366 00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:01,520 >> Okay. 1367 00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:04,160 >> Uh but most of them are fairly Toby. 1368 00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:05,200 Most of them we have in there I think 1369 00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:05,839 are pretty good. 1370 00:52:05,839 --> 00:52:07,440 >> Okay. So it just be laterals. 1371 00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:09,680 >> Last time we did replace the cans 1372 00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:11,280 because if if they have depends on what 1373 00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:12,960 cans they have. If they had the old the 1374 00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:14,480 old galvanized ones rusted out, we put 1375 00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:17,119 the new plastic ones in with new lids. 1376 00:52:17,119 --> 00:52:19,280 So we did that last time as well. So we 1377 00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:21,119 replaced everything to to the service 1378 00:52:21,119 --> 00:52:22,559 and the can. 1379 00:52:22,559 --> 00:52:24,000 >> We removed the meter and put the meter 1380 00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:27,680 back. It uh replaces all the fire 1381 00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:30,000 hydrants, all the valves, all the PRVs, 1382 00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:31,760 water line, basically everything in the 1383 00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:33,520 system. 1384 00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:35,680 >> I mean, I I think I don't think 1385 00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:38,319 anybody's excited about raising any 1386 00:52:38,319 --> 00:52:40,800 funding. I for the record. No, nobody's 1387 00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:42,319 flippantly just saying let's just do it 1388 00:52:42,319 --> 00:52:43,760 because it makes sense because it's only 1389 00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:46,800 a few bucks. Um, but I would say this 1390 00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:50,640 too. I do think it would be better to 1391 00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:54,319 start at the top. Number one, in the 1392 00:52:54,319 --> 00:52:56,319 application phase, I think it's going to 1393 00:52:56,319 --> 00:52:58,480 be easier for us to whittle down than 1394 00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:01,280 it's going to be, I think, to go and 1395 00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:02,559 apply for more. 1396 00:53:02,559 --> 00:53:06,160 >> I would much rather go with the larger 1397 00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:07,440 project and then find that we're 1398 00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:09,359 fortunate to receive a few offsetting 1399 00:53:09,359 --> 00:53:11,200 things that would then adjust the number 1400 00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:13,359 down. I don't think anybody even if you 1401 00:53:13,359 --> 00:53:15,520 decide I'm going to do another $30, 1402 00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:17,040 nobody wants to hear, oh actually it's 1403 00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:18,880 going to be$ 3350. 1404 00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:20,880 Um I think if we start with the larger 1405 00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:22,880 and are able to whittle down to a number 1406 00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:25,119 that um and again at the end of the day 1407 00:53:25,119 --> 00:53:26,160 it's got to go through public hearing. 1408 00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:28,240 But that would be my vote is that Ted 1409 00:53:28,240 --> 00:53:30,640 that we would go after number one and 1410 00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:32,640 the in the application process and then 1411 00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:35,359 as we work through this rightsize it 1412 00:53:35,359 --> 00:53:37,200 based on what we think we're going to 1413 00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:39,119 see. I kind of think number two is not 1414 00:53:39,119 --> 00:53:41,359 an option because 1415 00:53:41,359 --> 00:53:44,720 for me because you've talked about how 1416 00:53:44,720 --> 00:53:47,599 you you saved the worst for last. So 1417 00:53:47,599 --> 00:53:49,280 these sections, yes, the water line 1418 00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:50,800 needs done, but also the roads are 1419 00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:54,319 terrible and and so I just to only do 1420 00:53:54,319 --> 00:53:57,040 part of it. I mean, I feel I would feel 1421 00:53:57,040 --> 00:53:58,800 really bad for the residents that got 1422 00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:01,200 stuck in tut two and didn't get done. 1423 00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:03,040 I'm just saying like I think that's 1424 00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:04,960 probably why maybe a lot of us are are 1425 00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:07,280 not really considering number two. 1426 00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:09,040 because we've heard you say for how long 1427 00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:10,160 when we've been working on these other 1428 00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:11,920 roads that the worst were being saved 1429 00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:14,720 for last and so these are the worst 1430 00:54:14,720 --> 00:54:15,599 >> and so they 1431 00:54:15,599 --> 00:54:16,400 >> wor 1432 00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:19,280 >> and they so they really really need done 1433 00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:22,880 >> and it's just not fair to not do them 1434 00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:24,480 >> it feels like to me 1435 00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:26,480 >> so Ted if you were to wave magic wand 1436 00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:29,280 timing wise is this a project that you 1437 00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:32,720 foresee starting before the snow flies 1438 00:54:32,720 --> 00:54:34,800 it would be next spring next summer so 1439 00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:36,800 we would know whether that 850 50 went 1440 00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:37,440 through. 1441 00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:38,960 >> You're talking place this year? 1442 00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:40,319 >> No. No. Yeah. I'm just I'm just saying 1443 00:54:40,319 --> 00:54:41,839 this would be spring of next year, 1444 00:54:41,839 --> 00:54:42,240 probably. 1445 00:54:42,240 --> 00:54:44,000 >> Probably 28 28. 1446 00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:45,520 >> Okay. Oh, wow. Okay. 1447 00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:49,040 >> Yeah. So, we're we're way 1448 00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:51,119 >> the funding and all of that paperwork 1449 00:54:51,119 --> 00:54:53,359 and hearings and everything just takes 1450 00:54:53,359 --> 00:54:54,960 so long and that's 1451 00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:56,800 >> board meets about every three months, 1452 00:54:56,800 --> 00:54:58,480 two, three months depending various 1453 00:54:58,480 --> 00:54:59,520 times of the year. So, by time you get 1454 00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:01,119 in front of the board, you get something 1455 00:55:01,119 --> 00:55:02,400 approved, then you start your 1456 00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:03,760 engineering and that takes about six 1457 00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:04,559 months. 1458 00:55:04,559 --> 00:55:06,480 >> Then you get it out to bid. I mean, 1459 00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:09,119 yeah, we're probably spring at 28 before 1460 00:55:09,119 --> 00:55:11,359 start. 1461 00:55:11,359 --> 00:55:12,880 >> Um, yep. 1462 00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:14,000 >> I just need to know. 1463 00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:16,559 >> My Yeah, my vote my vote is I would do 1464 00:55:16,559 --> 00:55:19,680 the application for number one. So, 1465 00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:21,280 >> because number one, I would probably 1466 00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:23,119 have to submit the application without 1467 00:55:23,119 --> 00:55:26,079 the 150k assuming so that and and 1468 00:55:26,079 --> 00:55:28,079 assuming that we have the 500 million 1469 00:55:28,079 --> 00:55:30,240 capital funds. So, I'd submit an 1470 00:55:30,240 --> 00:55:34,240 application for like 4.95 million 1471 00:55:34,240 --> 00:55:37,680 >> and If we don't get the 850k than we're 1472 00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:39,280 3650 1473 00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:41,680 now once again I think that'll be the 1474 00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:43,200 high end. I really think probably get 1475 00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:44,880 some grant if it's available and 1476 00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:45,359 probably 1477 00:55:45,359 --> 00:55:47,200 >> would much rather start with the worst 1478 00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:48,880 case scenario in terms of what we think 1479 00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:50,720 and then it's always better news to to 1480 00:55:50,720 --> 00:55:51,760 reduce. 1481 00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:52,799 >> Um 1482 00:55:52,799 --> 00:55:55,440 >> do we have the public hearing prior to 1483 00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:58,880 your uh prior to the spring of 2028 or 1484 00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:00,799 do we have it now before the 1485 00:56:00,799 --> 00:56:03,280 application? When is the public hearing 1486 00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:04,160 according to 1487 00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:05,520 >> It has to be done before you close on 1488 00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:06,000 the book. 1489 00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:07,680 >> Oh, so we have a little bit of 1490 00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:09,119 >> And I think it'd be good for us to know 1491 00:56:09,119 --> 00:56:10,720 what all the cards are before we have 1492 00:56:10,720 --> 00:56:12,319 the public hearing. So we're not doing 1493 00:56:12,319 --> 00:56:16,160 any type of, you know, extra, you know, 1494 00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:17,280 >> when the state runs their numbers, 1495 00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:18,319 they'll run them. They're the one 1496 00:56:18,319 --> 00:56:19,520 they're the ones who will ultimately 1497 00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:24,400 tell us, you know, this looking at your water rates and they'll use their 1498 00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:25,520 numbers. This is what you're going to 1499 00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:27,520 have to charge for month. Ultimately, 1500 00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:28,960 they'll kind of give their feedback 1501 00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:30,799 there. So that's why this is this is you 1502 00:56:30,799 --> 00:56:33,119 know rough numbers just kind of give you 1503 00:56:33,119 --> 00:56:35,760 a scale of the ranges but they're going 1504 00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:36,960 to probably change a little bit once we 1505 00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:38,240 get through the state process and then 1506 00:56:38,240 --> 00:56:40,960 like if we get better interest rates or 1507 00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:42,480 grant they'll they'll obviously change 1508 00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:44,400 again too. 1509 00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:47,839 >> Yeah. So we have clean reliable water 1510 00:56:47,839 --> 00:56:50,960 less cost um because we'll have less 1511 00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:54,240 replacement once this goes in. We have 1512 00:56:54,240 --> 00:56:58,400 um then the idea that the roads will be 1513 00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:00,880 safer because they will be um repaired 1514 00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:04,640 and then um an increased security in um 1515 00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:07,280 in fire protection, water availability 1516 00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:09,440 at any hydrant. I mean that was one of 1517 00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:12,799 the big things that in the um Palisades 1518 00:57:12,799 --> 00:57:14,960 fire when they went to hook up the water 1519 00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:18,400 and there wasn't any and people really 1520 00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:21,359 suffered because of that and we wouldn't 1521 00:57:21,359 --> 00:57:24,000 want anything like that. Right now we 1522 00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:26,319 were pretty good with our water. I mean 1523 00:57:26,319 --> 00:57:28,799 years ago we weren't but we have a nice 1524 00:57:28,799 --> 00:57:31,440 well we have upgrades. We have a good 1525 00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:33,839 system. It's just the distribution that 1526 00:57:33,839 --> 00:57:37,280 now is the is lacking. 1527 00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:38,559 >> Yeah. And I've been over there and 1528 00:57:38,559 --> 00:57:39,839 turned on and off a couple of those 1529 00:57:39,839 --> 00:57:41,040 hybrids and sometimes you can't get 1530 00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:42,960 those nuts to seal back off. You start 1531 00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:46,870 shooting water at the top. 1532 00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:48,720 » So I think it's just 1533 00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:50,319 >> So if that's what you're leaning 1534 00:57:50,319 --> 00:57:52,880 towards, I'll start pursuing that option 1535 00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:54,880 >> and see where we land. 1536 00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:56,240 >> I think that's what we're hearing from 1537 00:57:56,240 --> 00:57:58,240 all three of you. Is that correct? 1538 00:57:58,240 --> 00:57:59,040 >> Number one. 1539 00:57:59,040 --> 00:58:01,520 Okay, 1540 00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:03,280 >> perfect. Yeah, take that. Take what 1541 00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:05,200 Brian's put into an account, you know, 1542 00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:07,599 if you'd like. Give Steve a call. 1543 00:58:07,599 --> 00:58:09,040 But I think you should proceed with 1544 00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:11,200 number one. 1545 00:58:11,200 --> 00:58:13,440 Okay. Nothing else. Then we'll move to 1546 00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:15,359 number three. Update on the road 1547 00:58:15,359 --> 00:58:16,880 funding. 1548 00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:17,920 All right. So, talk a little bit about 1549 00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:20,880 the funding. So, uh a while back we the 1550 00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:25,599 council passed a uh resolution for 1551 00:58:25,599 --> 00:58:28,480 funding out to 1.4 million. Um we put it 1552 00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:31,440 out to we had science bank put it out to 1553 00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:34,160 bid for various funding agencies to fund 1554 00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:37,280 us for 1.4 million project. They came in 1555 00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:40,960 at interest rates of between 4.429 and 1556 00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:45,599 4.739 is their interest rates. Um they 1557 00:58:45,599 --> 00:58:48,400 were a little bit Zian's bank uh comment 1558 00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:49,520 they're probably a little higher than 1559 00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:51,359 they they would have thought they would 1560 00:58:51,359 --> 00:58:55,599 have been. Um we had four bids uh to 1561 00:58:55,599 --> 00:58:58,480 take on this this loan. 1562 00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:02,240 So uh we then uh Zans's bank then 1563 00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:04,480 recommended we maybe try the the state 1564 00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:06,799 infrastructure bank. Uh state 1565 00:59:06,799 --> 00:59:08,880 infrastructure bank is a revolving loan 1566 00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:11,520 fund that's administered by UD do the 1567 00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:14,400 Utah department of transportation 1568 00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:16,799 that provides uh financing to public 1569 00:59:16,799 --> 00:59:18,319 entities for transportation and 1570 00:59:18,319 --> 00:59:20,079 infrastructure projects. Now generally 1571 00:59:20,079 --> 00:59:21,599 they like to see this as a connected 1572 00:59:21,599 --> 00:59:23,119 activity to some of their facilities 1573 00:59:23,119 --> 00:59:25,280 highways state federal highways stuff 1574 00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:27,119 like that. We don't really have any 1575 00:59:27,119 --> 00:59:28,799 connected action to their facilities. 1576 00:59:28,799 --> 00:59:31,839 However, uh when we spoke to the UD do 1577 00:59:31,839 --> 00:59:34,000 representative, he said not a lot of 1578 00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:36,559 people use this and or is just not aware 1579 00:59:36,559 --> 00:59:38,640 of this finance auction they have. So 1580 00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:40,640 they have quite a bit of money there. So 1581 00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:42,319 he recommended submitting application. 1582 00:59:42,319 --> 00:59:43,599 So we filled out an application, 1583 00:59:43,599 --> 00:59:46,799 submitted it and uh the mayor and I went 1584 00:59:46,799 --> 00:59:48,640 to the transportation commission meeting 1585 00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:51,920 and they approved our request. 1586 00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:54,720 um they have a term for a 10-year term, 1587 00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:55,839 which is what we were applying for at 1588 00:59:55,839 --> 00:59:58,799 the others, a 10-year term of 3.48%. 1589 00:59:58,799 --> 01:00:00,720 So, we ended up saving ourselves, uh, 1590 01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:02,480 you know, roughly a percentish either 1591 01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:05,280 way. Uh, which equates to the cost over 1592 01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:10,950 the 10-year term to about $75,000 1593 01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:12,720 plus closing costs because this is just 1594 01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:14,160 an agreement. We don't have to go 1595 01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:17,520 through our uh financial institutions 1596 01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:19,200 to close. So it saved us probably 1597 01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:21,280 another8 to $10,000 in closing costs as 1598 01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:21,440 well. 1599 01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:22,799 >> Yeah. Your origination fees and 1600 01:00:22,799 --> 01:00:24,160 everything that they're going to charge 1601 01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:25,119 you. 1602 01:00:25,119 --> 01:00:28,079 >> So um so we we were successful in 1603 01:00:28,079 --> 01:00:30,559 getting that. Um this is being paid back 1604 01:00:30,559 --> 01:00:33,440 through sales and franchise tax. So it's 1605 01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:35,839 not property tax property taxes or 1606 01:00:35,839 --> 01:00:38,400 anything like that. It's coming uh as a 1607 01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:39,520 repayment through our sales and 1608 01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:43,829 franchise tax. 1609 01:00:43,839 --> 01:00:46,480 So uh that's the funding part. Now we'll 1610 01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:49,119 talk about the project. Um, wanted to 1611 01:00:49,119 --> 01:00:51,040 show you. So, we've been working on the 1612 01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:52,480 road project. We started up at the top 1613 01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:54,640 around the park. Loafer, Eagle Nest, 1614 01:00:54,640 --> 01:00:55,920 Grizzly, that area. 1615 01:00:55,920 --> 01:00:57,839 >> Posted something about bad dirt, 1616 01:00:57,839 --> 01:01:00,880 >> pulverizing the road up there. These are 1617 01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:03,200 some pictures I took this evening. Uh, 1618 01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:05,520 this is loafer. As you're coming around, 1619 01:01:05,520 --> 01:01:07,119 I'll say it kind of the Westish side of 1620 01:01:07,119 --> 01:01:10,880 the park. Um, you can see those ruts 1621 01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:13,200 over there. Those things are about 12 to 1622 01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:15,760 18 inches deep of just when vehicles run 1623 01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:17,599 through them. That's because they're so 1624 01:01:17,599 --> 01:01:19,119 soft and there's so much clay they were 1625 01:01:19,119 --> 01:01:20,559 just sinking in when they were trying to 1626 01:01:20,559 --> 01:01:23,440 compact them. Um, and there's no way to 1627 01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:25,599 get those compacted. 1628 01:01:25,599 --> 01:01:27,760 So, those are some conditions we were we 1629 01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:30,319 weren't aware of. Uh, the worst of it is 1630 01:01:30,319 --> 01:01:32,640 on this section of Loafford. Uh, there 1631 01:01:32,640 --> 01:01:35,920 are some other spots around Eagle Nest 1632 01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:38,319 and a couple small ones on Grizzly. 1633 01:01:38,319 --> 01:01:40,160 >> We got two in front of our place where 1634 01:01:40,160 --> 01:01:42,400 you can see the truck just sunk in a 10 1635 01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:43,680 foot space. Just 1636 01:01:43,680 --> 01:01:45,200 >> sunk right down. Y 1637 01:01:45,200 --> 01:01:47,520 >> did the I mean because these aren't I 1638 01:01:47,520 --> 01:01:49,119 mean relatively speaking we just talked 1639 01:01:49,119 --> 01:01:50,799 about the oldest roads in town and these 1640 01:01:50,799 --> 01:01:52,880 are more of the newer roads in town. 1641 01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:55,760 Were the road standards just not 1642 01:01:55,760 --> 01:01:58,559 >> as good as they are or did we not we 1643 01:01:58,559 --> 01:02:00,160 weren't very diligent in making sure 1644 01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:01,200 that they were 1645 01:02:01,200 --> 01:02:05,599 >> well um so I guess I don't I wasn't here 1646 01:02:05,599 --> 01:02:07,040 when the roads were built so I didn't 1647 01:02:07,040 --> 01:02:09,040 get to see them go in. When we started 1648 01:02:09,040 --> 01:02:10,880 pulverizing, the contractor made the 1649 01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:15,280 comment said, "Oh boy, no road base. Um, 1650 01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:17,280 we were basically in native once we got 1651 01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:20,240 through the asphalt." And so I'm not 1652 01:02:20,240 --> 01:02:22,480 sure what went in, but right now there 1653 01:02:22,480 --> 01:02:24,079 doesn't appear to be a lot of structural 1654 01:02:24,079 --> 01:02:27,680 material under these roads. Um, I think 1655 01:02:27,680 --> 01:02:30,000 these were put in around late 90s, early 1656 01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:30,559 2000. 1657 01:02:30,559 --> 01:02:33,440 >> No, these were two I this this part was 1658 01:02:33,440 --> 01:02:35,520 put in in 1659 01:02:35,520 --> 01:02:38,000 2000. So we moved in in ' 07 and they 1660 01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:40,960 were done. So probably 2004 2005. 1661 01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:43,359 >> Yeah. Early 2000 somewhere around there. 1662 01:02:43,359 --> 01:02:48,000 >> Um so they and this is that section from 1663 01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:51,280 loafer on loafer from the park around to 1664 01:02:51,280 --> 01:02:54,240 Hills Drive kind of on the west side. 1665 01:02:54,240 --> 01:02:55,920 That is the worst part of it. I mean 1666 01:02:55,920 --> 01:02:57,920 that whole segment there is almost 1667 01:02:57,920 --> 01:03:02,240 trash. Um we the other side of loafer so 1668 01:03:02,240 --> 01:03:03,760 if you go from the park go around the 1669 01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:05,520 other way kind of go eastish around down 1670 01:03:05,520 --> 01:03:07,440 to Hills drive. That all looked pretty 1671 01:03:07,440 --> 01:03:08,720 good. They actually end up paving half 1672 01:03:08,720 --> 01:03:09,839 of that road today. 1673 01:03:09,839 --> 01:03:10,559 >> Oh, good. 1674 01:03:10,559 --> 01:03:12,799 >> Um well, 1675 01:03:12,799 --> 01:03:15,039 one half of one or one side of it, part 1676 01:03:15,039 --> 01:03:16,720 about twothirds of the way up. 1677 01:03:16,720 --> 01:03:18,960 >> Um so that outside looked pretty good. 1678 01:03:18,960 --> 01:03:20,240 This side was just all trash. And then 1679 01:03:20,240 --> 01:03:21,839 we got some spots on Eagle Nest that are 1680 01:03:21,839 --> 01:03:24,000 trash, too. So, 1681 01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:25,520 >> teacher, another question. 1682 01:03:25,520 --> 01:03:25,839 >> Yes. 1683 01:03:25,839 --> 01:03:28,213 >> Woodland Hills days roads done. 1684 01:03:28,213 --> 01:03:30,549 [laughter] 1685 01:03:30,559 --> 01:03:32,480 » We're going to make it fun. Have you 1686 01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:36,160 ever seen those butt vlogs? They do. 1687 01:03:36,160 --> 01:03:38,000 We're gonna have mud wrestling in the 1688 01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:39,760 street. 1689 01:03:39,760 --> 01:03:41,359 >> In my head, the wheels are turning. I'm 1690 01:03:41,359 --> 01:03:44,640 like, "Oh crap." 1691 01:03:44,640 --> 01:03:46,400 >> Yes, I have. I have given him that 1692 01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:49,680 deadline. They're well aware of it. Um, 1693 01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:50,319 so 1694 01:03:50,319 --> 01:03:51,920 >> you said, "Jan, it's scary." So, 1695 01:03:51,920 --> 01:03:53,039 >> I did. I said, "You don't want to go 1696 01:03:53,039 --> 01:03:54,240 with the council person in charge of 1697 01:03:54,240 --> 01:03:55,440 this." So, 1698 01:03:55,440 --> 01:03:57,200 >> I told him I would take the bullet to 1699 01:03:57,200 --> 01:04:00,480 start with. Um, so we we met with the 1700 01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:02,079 contractor a couple of times and come up 1701 01:04:02,079 --> 01:04:04,799 with a plan. basically is to we just 1702 01:04:04,799 --> 01:04:06,079 have to repair these soft spots. They 1703 01:04:06,079 --> 01:04:07,760 can't even put pavement down on because 1704 01:04:07,760 --> 01:04:09,039 if they try and run off their papavers, 1705 01:04:09,039 --> 01:04:10,240 they're just going to sink and then the 1706 01:04:10,240 --> 01:04:11,280 pavement's going to sink and it's going 1707 01:04:11,280 --> 01:04:13,839 to be horrible. So, what we did is we 1708 01:04:13,839 --> 01:04:15,680 came up with a plan to fix these hot or 1709 01:04:15,680 --> 01:04:17,839 these soft spots. Basically, they come 1710 01:04:17,839 --> 01:04:19,760 in and they dig out. Initially, we 1711 01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:21,760 thought 8 in uh some of the places 1712 01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:23,200 they've been digging today, they've got 1713 01:04:23,200 --> 01:04:24,720 two feet before they get to something 1714 01:04:24,720 --> 01:04:27,839 that's worth building up on. Um and what 1715 01:04:27,839 --> 01:04:29,119 they do is they dig down anywhere 1716 01:04:29,119 --> 01:04:31,119 between 8 inches and two feet and then 1717 01:04:31,119 --> 01:04:33,440 they put in two they put in a a geo 1718 01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:35,520 fabric and then a geo grid 1719 01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:37,200 >> two layers and then they come back in 1720 01:04:37,200 --> 01:04:38,960 with a good road based material and 1721 01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:41,359 start patching these up. There's a lot 1722 01:04:41,359 --> 01:04:43,760 of this to patch this way. There's also 1723 01:04:43,760 --> 01:04:45,920 some places on Eagle Nest and Grizzlies 1724 01:04:45,920 --> 01:04:48,240 that we've also got to patch. The 1725 01:04:48,240 --> 01:04:50,559 downside to this is uh this was 1726 01:04:50,559 --> 01:04:52,160 something that we didn't know until we 1727 01:04:52,160 --> 01:04:53,839 pulverized the road. So, this is not in 1728 01:04:53,839 --> 01:04:56,160 their contract to do and it's all extra 1729 01:04:56,160 --> 01:04:56,880 costs 1730 01:04:56,880 --> 01:04:58,880 >> and it's expensive. 1731 01:04:58,880 --> 01:05:01,599 >> That's why the change I call it contract 1732 01:05:01,599 --> 01:05:03,119 amendment. Okay. 1733 01:05:03,119 --> 01:05:06,079 >> Um, so we met with the contractor to 1734 01:05:06,079 --> 01:05:12,390 start pricing all this out and 1735 01:05:12,400 --> 01:05:14,799 so here's what we came up with. 1736 01:05:14,799 --> 01:05:18,470 >> Well, it's not horrible. 1737 01:05:18,480 --> 01:05:20,319 » No. So here's what so and you'll see one 1738 01:05:20,319 --> 01:05:21,599 other thing we'll talk about. The actual 1739 01:05:21,599 --> 01:05:24,079 change order is not that much, but 1740 01:05:24,079 --> 01:05:25,920 >> but it's but we changed the scope of the 1741 01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:27,599 project to get that. 1742 01:05:27,599 --> 01:05:29,280 >> So originally we were going to pulverize 1743 01:05:29,280 --> 01:05:30,960 and repave all these roads. 1744 01:05:30,960 --> 01:05:33,039 >> Uhu. When we got around Eagle Nest and 1745 01:05:33,039 --> 01:05:35,200 Loafer, we could see those needed a lot 1746 01:05:35,200 --> 01:05:36,319 of repair work and it was going to take 1747 01:05:36,319 --> 01:05:37,440 quite a bit of money to get those 1748 01:05:37,440 --> 01:05:39,119 repaired. 1749 01:05:39,119 --> 01:05:42,559 So, we uh talked about some options on 1750 01:05:42,559 --> 01:05:44,000 what we could do on the other streets to 1751 01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:47,119 reduce the cost on other streets. Um, 1752 01:05:47,119 --> 01:05:49,680 one because we needed to save some money 1753 01:05:49,680 --> 01:05:51,200 somewhere to make up for the cost of 1754 01:05:51,200 --> 01:05:53,839 repairing these streets. Two, if we 1755 01:05:53,839 --> 01:05:55,920 start pulverizing all these streets, we 1756 01:05:55,920 --> 01:05:57,200 could be doing that. we just maybe open 1757 01:05:57,200 --> 01:05:58,960 a big can of works and we could be 1758 01:05:58,960 --> 01:06:01,440 doubling or tripling the cost of project 1759 01:06:01,440 --> 01:06:04,160 which we don't have funding for. So what 1760 01:06:04,160 --> 01:06:06,079 we decided to look at for the remaining 1761 01:06:06,079 --> 01:06:09,680 streets in blue that you'll see there is 1762 01:06:09,680 --> 01:06:13,119 uh to do a mill and overlay. So we'll 1763 01:06:13,119 --> 01:06:14,640 mill off they do what they call an edge 1764 01:06:14,640 --> 01:06:16,720 mill. So they'll go along the curve and 1765 01:06:16,720 --> 01:06:18,000 driveways and stuff like that and 1766 01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:20,079 they'll mill it down an inch and a half 1767 01:06:20,079 --> 01:06:21,839 and then they'll mill out into the 1768 01:06:21,839 --> 01:06:23,760 street anywhere from half inch to an 1769 01:06:23,760 --> 01:06:25,280 inch. take all the crack seal and all 1770 01:06:25,280 --> 01:06:26,960 that stuff off and then they'll put a 1771 01:06:26,960 --> 01:06:29,119 new clean 2-in layer of asphalt over all 1772 01:06:29,119 --> 01:06:31,200 these roads and tie them all back into 1773 01:06:31,200 --> 01:06:32,559 the curbs and driveways and everything 1774 01:06:32,559 --> 01:06:35,839 again. Um, which is some savings to the 1775 01:06:35,839 --> 01:06:37,920 project. So, through that savings on 1776 01:06:37,920 --> 01:06:40,160 these roads, we're able to pay for 1777 01:06:40,160 --> 01:06:42,559 basically the repair work that's going 1778 01:06:42,559 --> 01:06:44,000 to have to be done on loafer eagle 1779 01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:45,119 nests. 1780 01:06:45,119 --> 01:06:47,200 >> You know, Eagle Nest was so bad and so 1781 01:06:47,200 --> 01:06:49,119 cracked and so is I mean, is this 1782 01:06:49,119 --> 01:06:49,839 probably why? Because 1783 01:06:49,839 --> 01:06:51,359 >> this probably why loafer was the same 1784 01:06:51,359 --> 01:06:51,680 way 1785 01:06:51,680 --> 01:06:53,760 >> because it was so soft underneath. cuz 1786 01:06:53,760 --> 01:06:55,280 those roads were terrible when you would 1787 01:06:55,280 --> 01:06:57,680 drive a little my ebike on there and it 1788 01:06:57,680 --> 01:06:58,240 was terrible 1789 01:06:58,240 --> 01:07:00,799 >> and with all that construction that came 1790 01:07:00,799 --> 01:07:03,680 after the roads the probably all those 1791 01:07:03,680 --> 01:07:06,079 heavy trucks just added to that then and 1792 01:07:06,079 --> 01:07:07,280 we didn't 1793 01:07:07,280 --> 01:07:09,039 >> but I think the spots were there 1794 01:07:09,039 --> 01:07:10,480 >> right that but I meant that they the 1795 01:07:10,480 --> 01:07:12,640 spots were there that added weight then 1796 01:07:12,640 --> 01:07:15,839 contributed to the road damage 1797 01:07:15,839 --> 01:07:20,559 >> so uh the plan is uh to mill and fill 1798 01:07:20,559 --> 01:07:22,880 shadow lane ash circle will reed autumn 1799 01:07:22,880 --> 01:07:24,640 leaf Wooden Hills Drive, the remaining 1800 01:07:24,640 --> 01:07:27,440 portions of it, and then deer met. 1801 01:07:27,440 --> 01:07:29,520 And then the roads that are currently 1802 01:07:29,520 --> 01:07:30,720 pulverized, we're going to go through 1803 01:07:30,720 --> 01:07:33,200 and repair all the soft spots, get it to 1804 01:07:33,200 --> 01:07:34,720 where we can make it a stable road and 1805 01:07:34,720 --> 01:07:37,760 then repave it with 4 in of asphalt on 1806 01:07:37,760 --> 01:07:41,359 those roads. That will uh between a 1807 01:07:41,359 --> 01:07:43,839 reduction in the remaining roads to go 1808 01:07:43,839 --> 01:07:46,480 to Milanfield, the addition of fixing 1809 01:07:46,480 --> 01:07:49,200 all these soft spots basically adds 1810 01:07:49,200 --> 01:07:53,359 about $8,800 to the park overall. 1811 01:07:53,359 --> 01:07:55,359 The second thing I asked them or we 1812 01:07:55,359 --> 01:07:58,240 talked about was paving our parking lot 1813 01:07:58,240 --> 01:08:00,960 of the park uh with the pickle ball 1814 01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:04,240 project. Um one of the things that we 1815 01:08:04,240 --> 01:08:06,240 wanted to be able to do is provide ADA 1816 01:08:06,240 --> 01:08:08,000 access to the park and to the pickle 1817 01:08:08,000 --> 01:08:10,160 ball courts. So we thought it'd be nice 1818 01:08:10,160 --> 01:08:13,680 to pave that parking lot at the park. Uh 1819 01:08:13,680 --> 01:08:16,000 we can put a handicap or two stall there 1820 01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:17,359 and then we'll have a as part of the 1821 01:08:17,359 --> 01:08:20,239 pickle ball a new trail that goes from 1822 01:08:20,239 --> 01:08:22,400 the parking lot along the pavilion and 1823 01:08:22,400 --> 01:08:24,000 over to the pickle ball court so you can 1824 01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:25,679 access the pavilion and pickle ball 1825 01:08:25,679 --> 01:08:28,400 courts with handicap access and the 1826 01:08:28,400 --> 01:08:30,000 trail we're working on making sure the 1827 01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:33,120 grades of the trail meet the handicap 88 1828 01:08:33,120 --> 01:08:38,319 um compliant slopes like that. So, um, 1829 01:08:38,319 --> 01:08:40,480 if we want to pay that parking lot park, 1830 01:08:40,480 --> 01:08:44,960 that's about $31,000. 31,470. So, the 1831 01:08:44,960 --> 01:08:47,359 new contract price, uh, if we want to 1832 01:08:47,359 --> 01:08:49,199 proceed with all these, it have to be 1833 01:08:49,199 --> 01:08:51,440 kind of approval from the council 1834 01:08:51,440 --> 01:08:52,799 because we're increasing the cost by 1835 01:08:52,799 --> 01:08:55,920 about $40,000 1836 01:08:55,920 --> 01:08:58,880 would be 1.55 million. 1837 01:08:58,880 --> 01:09:01,120 I just want to comment because thank you 1838 01:09:01,120 --> 01:09:03,520 for doing that the ADA part because 1839 01:09:03,520 --> 01:09:05,520 that's was one of my goals when I was on 1840 01:09:05,520 --> 01:09:08,400 PTR the first time and the thing we need 1841 01:09:08,400 --> 01:09:10,960 to consider with that is that's not just 1842 01:09:10,960 --> 01:09:12,640 we want that just because we want that 1843 01:09:12,640 --> 01:09:15,920 but a growing am percentage of our 1844 01:09:15,920 --> 01:09:18,159 population up here is getting older. We 1845 01:09:18,159 --> 01:09:20,799 have a lot of older citizens and they do 1846 01:09:20,799 --> 01:09:22,319 express that they don't go up to the 1847 01:09:22,319 --> 01:09:24,239 park because it's uneven and they don't 1848 01:09:24,239 --> 01:09:26,319 have you know a good surface. Some of 1849 01:09:26,319 --> 01:09:28,000 them have 1850 01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:29,920 things that help assist them walking or 1851 01:09:29,920 --> 01:09:32,880 they have wheelchairs. And so it's not 1852 01:09:32,880 --> 01:09:36,640 just we want it for aesthetics. It's something that's important to a 1853 01:09:36,640 --> 01:09:39,440 large percentage of our citizens. And so 1854 01:09:39,440 --> 01:09:40,960 I I just wanted to put that out there 1855 01:09:40,960 --> 01:09:42,799 because the ADA thing is something I've 1856 01:09:42,799 --> 01:09:46,239 wanted for a long time. So thank you for 1857 01:09:46,239 --> 01:09:52,470 doing that. 1858 01:09:52,480 --> 01:09:55,280 Anyway, so that's the changes that we're 1859 01:09:55,280 --> 01:09:58,080 making to the road project. Um that one 1860 01:09:58,080 --> 01:10:00,480 would take we have to actually execute a 1861 01:10:00,480 --> 01:10:02,320 signed change order with the contractor 1862 01:10:02,320 --> 01:10:05,280 because it's a changing his contract. 1863 01:10:05,280 --> 01:10:06,560 >> Um 1864 01:10:06,560 --> 01:10:07,760 >> that's about 40,000 1865 01:10:07,760 --> 01:10:09,840 >> to include the park. It's 40. Yeah. 1866 01:10:09,840 --> 01:10:12,880 >> 40,000 change including the park. Yeah. 1867 01:10:12,880 --> 01:10:15,920 >> If we want to do the park as well. 1868 01:10:15,920 --> 01:10:17,679 So our total contract goes up by about 1869 01:10:17,679 --> 01:10:19,760 40,000. This still keeps us under 1.4 1870 01:10:19,760 --> 01:10:22,239 million 1871 01:10:22,239 --> 01:10:24,320 funding that we we received from the 1872 01:10:24,320 --> 01:10:26,880 state infrastructure. Are we sacrificing 1873 01:10:26,880 --> 01:10:28,480 anything on the blue roads or are they 1874 01:10:28,480 --> 01:10:30,560 going to be okay? 1875 01:10:30,560 --> 01:10:34,000 >> Um, obviously for those I mean it's like 1876 01:10:34,000 --> 01:10:35,520 all the roads the best thing to do would 1877 01:10:35,520 --> 01:10:37,600 be a pulverize mall up fix all the soft 1878 01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:39,840 spots get them structurally sound and 1879 01:10:39,840 --> 01:10:41,440 repave them with 4 in of asphalt. 1880 01:10:41,440 --> 01:10:43,600 However, we just don't have the money to 1881 01:10:43,600 --> 01:10:46,400 do that. Honestly, it could be another 1882 01:10:46,400 --> 01:10:50,320 So, I had our uh engineers I asked them 1883 01:10:50,320 --> 01:10:51,920 uh how much would it cost? And he put me 1884 01:10:51,920 --> 01:10:53,840 a number together. This came from 1885 01:10:53,840 --> 01:10:55,840 Council Member Hutchkins. question he 1886 01:10:55,840 --> 01:10:58,320 had if we were to just pulverize or 1887 01:10:58,320 --> 01:11:00,640 repay Woodland Hills Drive in addition 1888 01:11:00,640 --> 01:11:02,800 to the ones we've already done and then 1889 01:11:02,800 --> 01:11:05,040 bill and fill the rest 1890 01:11:05,040 --> 01:11:06,800 uh what that cost would be and it would 1891 01:11:06,800 --> 01:11:09,520 add about another 1892 01:11:09,520 --> 01:11:11,040 200,000 1893 01:11:11,040 --> 01:11:14,400 to our project cost. So we would be, you 1894 01:11:14,400 --> 01:11:16,400 know, in the ballpark one and a half, 1895 01:11:16,400 --> 01:11:18,719 which we just 1896 01:11:18,719 --> 01:11:20,480 and that's not including soft spot 1897 01:11:20,480 --> 01:11:22,080 repairs. That's just to get it 1898 01:11:22,080 --> 01:11:24,239 pulverized or repaid. If we run into 1899 01:11:24,239 --> 01:11:25,679 lots of soft spots like we did on 1900 01:11:25,679 --> 01:11:27,840 loafer, that could go up by another 100 1901 01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:29,600 150 200,000. 1902 01:11:29,600 --> 01:11:33,360 >> So we could be anywhere between 200. 1903 01:11:33,360 --> 01:11:36,239 >> So I think we do sacrifice a little bit, 1904 01:11:36,239 --> 01:11:39,120 but I I don't know. I think this is a 1905 01:11:39,120 --> 01:11:41,199 great option for the money we have 1906 01:11:41,199 --> 01:11:44,719 because by just milling the top inch 1907 01:11:44,719 --> 01:11:47,120 off. We're still leaving an inch or two 1908 01:11:47,120 --> 01:11:51,440 of probably an inch uh or two of solid 1909 01:11:51,440 --> 01:11:54,320 pavement, albeit old kind of crack, but 1910 01:11:54,320 --> 01:11:56,880 a solid surface so we don't have all 1911 01:11:56,880 --> 01:11:58,880 those soft spots below it seeing. So, 1912 01:11:58,880 --> 01:12:00,719 we're adding to that structural a little 1913 01:12:00,719 --> 01:12:03,280 bit. 1914 01:12:03,280 --> 01:12:07,120 So this will need some approval for the 1915 01:12:07,120 --> 01:12:09,440 mayor to sign a change order if we want 1916 01:12:09,440 --> 01:12:13,120 to include all this. 1917 01:12:13,120 --> 01:12:14,800 >> Okay. Question. 1918 01:12:14,800 --> 01:12:15,280 >> Yes. 1919 01:12:15,280 --> 01:12:19,199 >> On years forward road repair when we go 1920 01:12:19,199 --> 01:12:22,800 through this again what what is the 1921 01:12:22,800 --> 01:12:25,199 preferred method to do knowing that we 1922 01:12:25,199 --> 01:12:28,159 have some problems underneath underneath 1923 01:12:28,159 --> 01:12:32,800 it all. It would be best to 1924 01:12:32,800 --> 01:12:36,239 have the money to do a job like it's 1925 01:12:36,239 --> 01:12:38,800 supposed to be done or just a kind of a 1926 01:12:38,800 --> 01:12:42,960 fix again. It again talking the future 1927 01:12:42,960 --> 01:12:45,520 of what we'll be facing, 1928 01:12:45,520 --> 01:12:49,840 >> you know, and that's uh 1929 01:12:49,840 --> 01:12:53,040 the best option is is when you have a 1930 01:12:53,040 --> 01:12:56,159 road like loafer really bad just to dig 1931 01:12:56,159 --> 01:12:58,640 the whole road up and redo it. um 1932 01:12:58,640 --> 01:13:00,800 basically take it all down and then kind 1933 01:13:00,800 --> 01:13:04,320 of redo the road from the subway up. 1934 01:13:04,320 --> 01:13:06,239 Obviously, you get much less done for 1935 01:13:06,239 --> 01:13:08,400 that. So, it's kind of a balancing 1936 01:13:08,400 --> 01:13:10,159 around. Do we do a mile of road and get 1937 01:13:10,159 --> 01:13:12,719 it done right and spend a million 1938 01:13:12,719 --> 01:13:14,880 dollars doing that or do we take that 1939 01:13:14,880 --> 01:13:17,600 million dollars and make three miles of 1940 01:13:17,600 --> 01:13:20,239 road decent? You know what I mean? So, 1941 01:13:20,239 --> 01:13:21,199 it's kind of one of those things you 1942 01:13:21,199 --> 01:13:23,440 have to weigh out. Um 1943 01:13:23,440 --> 01:13:24,960 >> answer for a future council. 1944 01:13:24,960 --> 01:13:27,750 >> Yeah. [laughter] 1945 01:13:27,760 --> 01:13:30,480 Yeah. Uh in this case it was just my 1946 01:13:30,480 --> 01:13:33,360 available money um you know for the 1947 01:13:33,360 --> 01:13:35,120 project for this project we just had to 1948 01:13:35,120 --> 01:13:37,360 kind of shift gears a little bit. The 1949 01:13:37,360 --> 01:13:39,120 nice thing is loafer will be much 1950 01:13:39,120 --> 01:13:44,239 better. Um Eagle Nest loafer and those roads will be much better. Now we 1951 01:13:44,239 --> 01:13:47,760 pulverized and repaved oak broad hollow 1952 01:13:47,760 --> 01:13:50,719 spring all those culde-sacs off oak when 1953 01:13:50,719 --> 01:13:52,480 we did the waterline project and didn't 1954 01:13:52,480 --> 01:13:54,159 run into as much clay as we run into 1955 01:13:54,159 --> 01:13:57,040 these. So you you never know too till 1956 01:13:57,040 --> 01:13:58,320 you just get digging them up what you 1957 01:13:58,320 --> 01:13:58,880 got. 1958 01:13:58,880 --> 01:13:59,600 >> Right. 1959 01:13:59,600 --> 01:14:01,199 >> We didn't have to fix any soft spots on 1960 01:14:01,199 --> 01:14:03,920 those roads. This one these ones were 1961 01:14:03,920 --> 01:14:10,390 just terrible. 1962 01:14:10,400 --> 01:14:13,360 » Perfect. Anything else there? 1963 01:14:13,360 --> 01:14:15,679 And we will continue to discuss the 1964 01:14:15,679 --> 01:14:19,199 T-Mobile uh tower. 1965 01:14:19,199 --> 01:14:23,199 Uh so this is just a uh something to put 1966 01:14:23,199 --> 01:14:28,400 in your back pockets, think about. Um we 1967 01:14:28,400 --> 01:14:30,719 have been talking to the state about 1968 01:14:30,719 --> 01:14:32,640 possibly turning one of our old steel 1969 01:14:32,640 --> 01:14:37,280 water tanks into a dip tank for helac. 1970 01:14:37,280 --> 01:14:40,080 >> So we have the two green old water tanks 1971 01:14:40,080 --> 01:14:42,239 up there. And one they're still water 1972 01:14:42,239 --> 01:14:44,320 tanks. They're they're gated. We can't 1973 01:14:44,320 --> 01:14:47,920 use them anymore. Uh 1974 01:14:47,920 --> 01:14:49,760 So, we talked about tearing them down 1975 01:14:49,760 --> 01:14:54,000 when we put our new water tank in. Um, 1976 01:14:54,000 --> 01:14:55,280 when I was meeting up there with the 1977 01:14:55,280 --> 01:14:58,000 state firework on another issue, we got 1978 01:14:58,000 --> 01:14:59,280 talking back and forth. They say, "Well, 1979 01:14:59,280 --> 01:15:00,480 it would be kind of cool if we turned 1980 01:15:00,480 --> 01:15:01,920 one of these into a dip tank for our 1981 01:15:01,920 --> 01:15:04,480 helicopters because that would help them 1982 01:15:04,480 --> 01:15:06,480 serve all of the mountain above our 1983 01:15:06,480 --> 01:15:09,360 city, Elk Ridge, over in parts of Salem 1984 01:15:09,360 --> 01:15:10,880 over above three bridges and all that. 1985 01:15:10,880 --> 01:15:15,120 They could use a dip tank. because it's fed by our our system so we could 1986 01:15:15,120 --> 01:15:19,280 keep it full fairly easily for them. Um 1987 01:15:19,280 --> 01:15:21,280 they were really excited about that idea 1988 01:15:21,280 --> 01:15:22,880 in the state and they may be willing to 1989 01:15:22,880 --> 01:15:25,280 help us contribute some money towards 1990 01:15:25,280 --> 01:15:26,719 making this happen. But the first step 1991 01:15:26,719 --> 01:15:28,239 we're doing a study right now which is 1992 01:15:28,239 --> 01:15:30,080 something you guys a while back to 1993 01:15:30,080 --> 01:15:32,000 determine if it's viable to turn these 1994 01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:34,400 into a tank. But to do that we have to 1995 01:15:34,400 --> 01:15:36,000 move the T-Mobile tower. So we have 1996 01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:38,400 T-Mobile dishes on top of one of those 1997 01:15:38,400 --> 01:15:40,239 two steel tanks the small one. I'm 1998 01:15:40,239 --> 01:15:41,520 getting ready to switch because it's 1999 01:15:41,520 --> 01:15:42,960 right there. 2000 01:15:42,960 --> 01:15:44,960 >> Well, 2001 01:15:44,960 --> 01:15:46,719 >> I would I would still do it. I'm on 2002 01:15:46,719 --> 01:15:48,400 T-Mobile and I love it up here. 2003 01:15:48,400 --> 01:15:51,760 >> My Verizon has been so terrible. 2004 01:15:51,760 --> 01:15:55,760 >> It didn't take me longer once I 2005 01:15:55,760 --> 01:15:57,440 >> used to be better than T-Mobile till we 2006 01:15:57,440 --> 01:15:57,760 got 2007 01:15:57,760 --> 01:16:00,000 >> it. It did. The T-Mobile now nationally. 2008 01:16:00,000 --> 01:16:02,560 >> Let's just call 2009 01:16:02,560 --> 01:16:05,360 you here. So, uh, so I I had a meeting 2010 01:16:05,360 --> 01:16:06,960 with T-Mobile the other day to start 2011 01:16:06,960 --> 01:16:08,320 talking to them about possibly 2012 01:16:08,320 --> 01:16:13,040 relocating their, uh, antennas. 2013 01:16:13,040 --> 01:16:14,159 I was a little intimidated. They had 2014 01:16:14,159 --> 01:16:16,159 like 15 of their executive people on 2015 01:16:16,159 --> 01:16:19,040 this conference call, it was me. 2016 01:16:19,040 --> 01:16:22,400 Anyway, intimidate me personally, uh, 2017 01:16:22,400 --> 01:16:26,000 but it was a good conversation. Um, so 2018 01:16:26,000 --> 01:16:27,760 we talked about the potential of 2019 01:16:27,760 --> 01:16:29,600 relocating their dishes. They're going 2020 01:16:29,600 --> 01:16:31,440 to start looking into it. And so we 2021 01:16:31,440 --> 01:16:32,880 started talking about all the options 2022 01:16:32,880 --> 01:16:34,480 and I offered and said, you know, 2023 01:16:34,480 --> 01:16:35,840 there's other spots on our property up 2024 01:16:35,840 --> 01:16:36,880 there you can move it to. You don't have 2025 01:16:36,880 --> 01:16:38,400 to move it that far. We could just put a 2026 01:16:38,400 --> 01:16:39,760 new tower up, put your dishes on and 2027 01:16:39,760 --> 01:16:41,600 stuff like that. Um, so they're going to 2028 01:16:41,600 --> 01:16:43,920 start looking at the viability of that. 2029 01:16:43,920 --> 01:16:45,360 The one comment he made and something I 2030 01:16:45,360 --> 01:16:46,640 want to bring up the council is right 2031 01:16:46,640 --> 01:16:49,120 now they lease that space on that tank. 2032 01:16:49,120 --> 01:16:50,560 He said, "Well, would the city want to 2033 01:16:50,560 --> 01:16:52,640 put up the tower and lease us the space 2034 01:16:52,640 --> 01:16:54,800 on the tower? You could also lease it 2035 01:16:54,800 --> 01:16:56,320 out to any other companies that would 2036 01:16:56,320 --> 01:16:58,560 come want to come along and lease out 2037 01:16:58,560 --> 01:16:59,920 the um 2038 01:16:59,920 --> 01:17:02,000 >> Yeah. potential of putting dishes on 2039 01:17:02,000 --> 01:17:03,120 towers up there. So, you would own the 2040 01:17:03,120 --> 01:17:04,159 tower and you could lease it out to 2041 01:17:04,159 --> 01:17:05,440 whatever companies want to space on it. 2042 01:17:05,440 --> 01:17:08,159 Team own want space on it. We also got 2043 01:17:08,159 --> 01:17:09,520 Central Link up there that has their 2044 01:17:09,520 --> 01:17:11,120 little tower and maybe we'd move them 2045 01:17:11,120 --> 01:17:12,640 over because it'd be nice to their tower 2046 01:17:12,640 --> 01:17:16,880 as well. Um, but an option um wanted to 2047 01:17:16,880 --> 01:17:19,199 run it just have you start thinking 2048 01:17:19,199 --> 01:17:21,199 about it. Um, we're not far enough down 2049 01:17:21,199 --> 01:17:24,080 the road to determine the viability of 2050 01:17:24,080 --> 01:17:26,560 where this would go and you know what it 2051 01:17:26,560 --> 01:17:27,440 would look like. 2052 01:17:27,440 --> 01:17:28,880 >> What would it I mean probably not very 2053 01:17:28,880 --> 01:17:30,239 much. What would it cost for us to put 2054 01:17:30,239 --> 01:17:31,600 up a little tower? 2055 01:17:31,600 --> 01:17:33,760 >> I don't know. Uh I've actually been 2056 01:17:33,760 --> 01:17:35,040 talking with So some of you may know 2057 01:17:35,040 --> 01:17:36,400 Scott Blet lives in town. That's what he 2058 01:17:36,400 --> 01:17:38,640 does. He works with cell companies, all 2059 01:17:38,640 --> 01:17:41,679 of them, to put up mobile tower sites. 2060 01:17:41,679 --> 01:17:43,760 Uh not mobile, but tower remote tower 2061 01:17:43,760 --> 01:17:46,239 sites. Um so I was talking to him today 2062 01:17:46,239 --> 01:17:48,159 and he started just talking about just 2063 01:17:48,159 --> 01:17:49,600 some of the nuances to think about. He 2064 01:17:49,600 --> 01:17:50,960 says in addition to the tower class, you 2065 01:17:50,960 --> 01:17:52,640 probably have to study and a few things 2066 01:17:52,640 --> 01:17:54,400 like that. So there are some nuances 2067 01:17:54,400 --> 01:17:56,400 that come with it. Now T-Mobile, they do 2068 01:17:56,400 --> 01:17:58,880 their environmental study as well. takes 2069 01:17:58,880 --> 01:18:00,159 about a year and a half. They said from 2070 01:18:00,159 --> 01:18:01,920 the time you start the discussions till 2071 01:18:01,920 --> 01:18:03,199 they can actually do something, it's 2072 01:18:03,199 --> 01:18:04,080 going to take probably a year. 2073 01:18:04,080 --> 01:18:05,360 >> Is it going to look like a pine tree or 2074 01:18:05,360 --> 01:18:07,120 is it just going to be a tower? 2075 01:18:07,120 --> 01:18:08,640 >> I brought that up. They do have ones 2076 01:18:08,640 --> 01:18:09,840 that look like pine trees. I've seen 2077 01:18:09,840 --> 01:18:10,640 one. 2078 01:18:10,640 --> 01:18:12,719 >> Yeah, there's a bunch in Oram and Provo 2079 01:18:12,719 --> 01:18:13,360 and 2080 01:18:13,360 --> 01:18:14,960 >> they're they're they're probably double 2081 01:18:14,960 --> 01:18:15,760 the cost. 2082 01:18:15,760 --> 01:18:16,719 >> Yeah, 2083 01:18:16,719 --> 01:18:18,239 >> I think and I guess it would depend. 2084 01:18:18,239 --> 01:18:19,760 Now, T-Mobile, when I was talking to 2085 01:18:19,760 --> 01:18:23,280 Scott, he says they don't own they lease 2086 01:18:23,280 --> 01:18:26,880 98% of their sites. He says like AT&T 2087 01:18:26,880 --> 01:18:29,600 build 98% of our site. So it varies from 2088 01:18:29,600 --> 01:18:31,520 company to companies to what they do. 2089 01:18:31,520 --> 01:18:33,360 Right now we get about $1,000 a month 2090 01:18:33,360 --> 01:18:38,709 from T-Mobile. We seem that space to 2091 01:18:38,719 --> 01:18:40,640 something to think about as we dig into 2092 01:18:40,640 --> 01:18:43,600 this. Um we'll work on some costs. T I 2093 01:18:43,600 --> 01:18:45,199 don't know until T-Mobile gets back to 2094 01:18:45,199 --> 01:18:46,880 me with what kind of tower they would 2095 01:18:46,880 --> 01:18:48,800 need. And that depends on where they 2096 01:18:48,800 --> 01:18:50,239 could put it up on the site. And they're 2097 01:18:50,239 --> 01:18:52,320 looking at some other options on where 2098 01:18:52,320 --> 01:18:54,080 >> if we did a tower, we would need to do 2099 01:18:54,080 --> 01:18:57,280 one that could potentially have other 2100 01:18:57,280 --> 01:19:00,000 cell providers have 2101 01:19:00,000 --> 01:19:01,679 >> really wants Verizon up there. 2102 01:19:01,679 --> 01:19:03,360 >> Well, I want more money for the city, 2103 01:19:03,360 --> 01:19:05,280 too. 2104 01:19:05,280 --> 01:19:07,520 >> I mean, we talked about that 2105 01:19:07,520 --> 01:19:09,520 >> 12. Now you put three on there, we're 2106 01:19:09,520 --> 01:19:11,520 talking $36,000 a month. 2107 01:19:11,520 --> 01:19:12,000 >> I mean, 2108 01:19:12,000 --> 01:19:13,920 >> now you throw Centry Link on there. You 2109 01:19:13,920 --> 01:19:15,920 throw Rise. You throw 2110 01:19:15,920 --> 01:19:18,080 >> a bunch of them. this actually could 2111 01:19:18,080 --> 01:19:20,640 churn, you know, $40, $50,000. 2112 01:19:20,640 --> 01:19:21,840 >> We're always looking for any kind of 2113 01:19:21,840 --> 01:19:23,920 little alternate income for the city. 2114 01:19:23,920 --> 01:19:25,520 And little things do add up. 2115 01:19:25,520 --> 01:19:27,679 >> And maybe because of the way our city is 2116 01:19:27,679 --> 01:19:29,920 designed, it might make sense to put one 2117 01:19:29,920 --> 01:19:31,760 on this side of the city and then 2118 01:19:31,760 --> 01:19:34,480 another on this side of the city. And 2119 01:19:34,480 --> 01:19:37,199 now we're doubling the amount they're 2120 01:19:37,199 --> 01:19:40,640 leasing from us. 2121 01:19:40,640 --> 01:19:42,880 >> Let's start the study. 2122 01:19:42,880 --> 01:19:44,640 And we can start buying land in other 2123 01:19:44,640 --> 01:19:46,640 cities and putting up towers. 2124 01:19:46,640 --> 01:19:49,280 >> Oh, there you go. [laughter] 2125 01:19:49,280 --> 01:19:51,360 >> Start charging. We could Hey, we could 2126 01:19:51,360 --> 01:19:53,360 charge three bridges. 2127 01:19:53,360 --> 01:19:55,120 >> So, T-Mobile's going to do some some 2128 01:19:55,120 --> 01:19:57,040 investigation on their side to see where 2129 01:19:57,040 --> 01:19:58,560 we have to go. It has to kind of go 2130 01:19:58,560 --> 01:20:00,080 uphill. They can't down the hill with 2131 01:20:00,080 --> 01:20:01,840 it. Well, they could. The tower gets a 2132 01:20:01,840 --> 01:20:02,480 lot taller. 2133 01:20:02,480 --> 01:20:02,880 >> Yeah. 2134 01:20:02,880 --> 01:20:04,560 >> Um but if they kind of go start going up 2135 01:20:04,560 --> 01:20:06,080 the hill a little bit, we looked at some 2136 01:20:06,080 --> 01:20:08,080 sites on the We pulled up some maps. We 2137 01:20:08,080 --> 01:20:09,679 looked at some sites in the meeting. 2138 01:20:09,679 --> 01:20:11,840 They could potentially look at uh 2139 01:20:11,840 --> 01:20:13,679 actually actually shrink the temple 2140 01:20:13,679 --> 01:20:15,679 because they'll go farther to the hill. 2141 01:20:15,679 --> 01:20:16,880 They won't know until they get 2142 01:20:16,880 --> 01:20:18,400 >> right on the switchbacks. 2143 01:20:18,400 --> 01:20:20,560 >> Are they are they the ones that are 2144 01:20:20,560 --> 01:20:22,239 taking the lead for next steps or do we 2145 01:20:22,239 --> 01:20:23,920 have to do anything? 2146 01:20:23,920 --> 01:20:25,520 >> They are taking the lead right now. 2147 01:20:25,520 --> 01:20:27,840 They're looking at what options there 2148 01:20:27,840 --> 01:20:30,320 would be as far as where to I pointed 2149 01:20:30,320 --> 01:20:32,080 out some spots up on our property where 2150 01:20:32,080 --> 01:20:33,760 they could potentially move to. So, 2151 01:20:33,760 --> 01:20:34,800 they're going to start looking around 2152 01:20:34,800 --> 01:20:37,120 the area and see what would take the 2153 01:20:37,120 --> 01:20:39,440 power is it possible that kind of stuff. 2154 01:20:39,440 --> 01:20:40,960 >> Did they mention the lengths of of their 2155 01:20:40,960 --> 01:20:42,640 leases? Are they doing year-to-year 2156 01:20:42,640 --> 01:20:44,159 leases? Are they doing like five-year 2157 01:20:44,159 --> 01:20:45,120 commits? 2158 01:20:45,120 --> 01:20:46,960 >> So, on ours, I think right now it's a 2159 01:20:46,960 --> 01:20:48,640 fiveyear 2160 01:20:48,640 --> 01:20:51,280 and then once it I was reading it a 2161 01:20:51,280 --> 01:20:52,400 little while ago. I think it was a 2162 01:20:52,400 --> 01:20:56,719 fiveyear once the term is up it like 2163 01:20:56,719 --> 01:21:00,000 continues in a year and then they have 2164 01:21:00,000 --> 01:21:02,400 to give you like a year to cancel or 2165 01:21:02,400 --> 01:21:03,520 something like that before you cancel or 2166 01:21:03,520 --> 01:21:06,000 something like that. 2167 01:21:06,000 --> 01:21:07,840 >> I would do I would suggest we do a 2168 01:21:07,840 --> 01:21:10,480 minimum lease term on it, you know, 2169 01:21:10,480 --> 01:21:12,719 >> just So we're not building a$150 2170 01:21:12,719 --> 01:21:16,159 $200,000 tower and then for a year 2171 01:21:16,159 --> 01:21:17,280 that's 2172 01:21:17,280 --> 01:21:20,000 >> agreed. 2173 01:21:20,000 --> 01:21:24,560 >> Wonderful. Okay. Update on city grants. 2174 01:21:24,560 --> 01:21:25,840 >> I think you've heard enough on grant 2175 01:21:25,840 --> 01:21:27,040 stuff for me. I don't really have 2176 01:21:27,040 --> 01:21:29,199 anything else. Uh we're moving forward 2177 01:21:29,199 --> 01:21:31,600 on courts. I do have a question for some 2178 01:21:31,600 --> 01:21:33,520 of our pickle ball enthusiasts after the 2179 01:21:33,520 --> 01:21:36,320 meeting if they're around for a minute. 2180 01:21:36,320 --> 01:21:37,120 >> Wonderful. 2181 01:21:37,120 --> 01:21:38,719 >> Good 2182 01:21:38,719 --> 01:21:40,640 engineers. You are done for it. 2183 01:21:40,640 --> 01:21:42,560 >> If I can do a fire update, then I walk 2184 01:21:42,560 --> 01:21:43,120 back up. 2185 01:21:43,120 --> 01:21:44,080 >> Perfect. Do it. 2186 01:21:44,080 --> 01:21:44,800 >> Fire out. 2187 01:21:44,800 --> 01:21:45,280 >> Huh? 2188 01:21:45,280 --> 01:21:47,040 >> They haven't updated it on watch duty at 2189 01:21:47,040 --> 01:21:49,280 all. So, I'm assuming it's out. 2190 01:21:49,280 --> 01:21:50,000 >> A little fire. 2191 01:21:50,000 --> 01:21:51,280 >> Usually, they haven't done any updates. 2192 01:21:51,280 --> 01:21:52,320 It was a pretty small one. 2193 01:21:52,320 --> 01:21:54,400 >> Yeah. Three years, three and a half 2194 01:21:54,400 --> 01:21:54,960 years, something like that. 2195 01:21:54,960 --> 01:21:55,920 >> So, I'm assuming it's out. 2196 01:21:55,920 --> 01:21:57,679 >> They were on it pretty quick. And it was 2197 01:21:57,679 --> 01:21:59,280 a ways up there. It would have taken a 2198 01:21:59,280 --> 01:22:00,719 while to get to us. 2199 01:22:00,719 --> 01:22:02,560 >> I know. But it's just good to know. 2200 01:22:02,560 --> 01:22:02,880 Yeah. 2201 01:22:02,880 --> 01:22:03,760 >> For people. 2202 01:22:03,760 --> 01:22:07,280 >> Yeah. Um, the other thing is is our fire 2203 01:22:07,280 --> 01:22:10,800 crew uh is uh leaving in the morning for 2204 01:22:10,800 --> 01:22:12,560 Idaho. 2205 01:22:12,560 --> 01:22:14,639 >> Oh, which part 2206 01:22:14,639 --> 01:22:16,239 >> area? 2207 01:22:16,239 --> 01:22:18,080 >> Yeah. 2208 01:22:18,080 --> 01:22:19,679 >> So, they're headed out tomorrow. Uh 2209 01:22:19,679 --> 01:22:20,880 they've been having a pretty good year 2210 01:22:20,880 --> 01:22:23,120 for us. We also have the county crew up 2211 01:22:23,120 --> 01:22:24,560 doing some more mitigation work for us 2212 01:22:24,560 --> 01:22:27,600 this week up around the water tanks. Um 2213 01:22:27,600 --> 01:22:29,040 clearing out some areas up there, some 2214 01:22:29,040 --> 01:22:30,560 of the big stuff up there. So, doing 2215 01:22:30,560 --> 01:22:33,040 mitigation work, get fire crews out. 2216 01:22:33,040 --> 01:22:34,639 usually going well with that. 2217 01:22:34,639 --> 01:22:37,679 >> I've noticed at least commute home. I'm 2218 01:22:37,679 --> 01:22:40,159 starting to see residents putting out 2219 01:22:40,159 --> 01:22:41,840 bills again. 2220 01:22:41,840 --> 01:22:42,560 >> Yeah. 2221 01:22:42,560 --> 01:22:44,239 >> Uh seen quite a few piles. 2222 01:22:44,239 --> 01:22:45,840 >> So maybe I'll bring it up here. I'm 2223 01:22:45,840 --> 01:22:48,239 going to send out a 2224 01:22:48,239 --> 01:22:50,400 >> um we do not have a commitment from the 2225 01:22:50,400 --> 01:22:52,560 county for another chipper day. Now we 2226 01:22:52,560 --> 01:22:54,000 historically haven't held the fall 2227 01:22:54,000 --> 01:22:56,320 chipper days. Uh the last few years 2228 01:22:56,320 --> 01:22:57,679 because the year we had all the trees 2229 01:22:57,679 --> 01:22:59,920 come down with the snowstorm. we we were 2230 01:22:59,920 --> 01:23:01,600 able to pull some stuff together and 2231 01:23:01,600 --> 01:23:03,440 throw them together. And then last year 2232 01:23:03,440 --> 01:23:05,440 the county uh they offered to come up 2233 01:23:05,440 --> 01:23:06,560 and help us in the fall again because 2234 01:23:06,560 --> 01:23:08,560 they needed some crews that that some 2235 01:23:08,560 --> 01:23:09,520 crews that were available to help us 2236 01:23:09,520 --> 01:23:11,280 out. So they came up and did it. But 2237 01:23:11,280 --> 01:23:13,360 it's it's never a guarantee to do a fall 2238 01:23:13,360 --> 01:23:16,560 chipping. I talked to the uh county um 2239 01:23:16,560 --> 01:23:19,760 battalion chief um 2240 01:23:19,760 --> 01:23:21,360 earlier this week or last week, I can't 2241 01:23:21,360 --> 01:23:23,120 remember. And he says right now we can't 2242 01:23:23,120 --> 01:23:25,760 commit to you any um because it all 2243 01:23:25,760 --> 01:23:27,199 depends on the fire year. Right now it's 2244 01:23:27,199 --> 01:23:28,320 all still pretty busy. 2245 01:23:28,320 --> 01:23:30,480 >> Yep. Um, so they can't commit. 2246 01:23:30,480 --> 01:23:31,920 >> I just noticed that, man. Once one 2247 01:23:31,920 --> 01:23:33,120 neighbor starts then the next neighbor 2248 01:23:33,120 --> 01:23:36,080 says, "Oh, there we know you do social 2249 01:23:36,080 --> 01:23:37,440 media posts and stuff. Could we either 2250 01:23:37,440 --> 01:23:39,120 send it out through that thing or even 2251 01:23:39,120 --> 01:23:42,239 do just a real simple door hanger? It 2252 01:23:42,239 --> 01:23:43,520 doesn't have to be anything fancy, but 2253 01:23:43,520 --> 01:23:44,960 to the people that are putting stuff out 2254 01:23:44,960 --> 01:23:46,639 and put a door hanger on their door that 2255 01:23:46,639 --> 01:23:48,880 says we don't have a fall chipper today. 2256 01:23:48,880 --> 01:23:50,560 You need to haul this off and take care 2257 01:23:50,560 --> 01:23:50,960 of it." 2258 01:23:50,960 --> 01:23:53,520 >> Well, that's the hard thing is we might. 2259 01:23:53,520 --> 01:23:54,880 >> Yeah, 2260 01:23:54,880 --> 01:23:57,040 >> it's still open. Um the other thing the 2261 01:23:57,040 --> 01:23:58,880 other option we have is the state will 2262 01:23:58,880 --> 01:24:00,480 sometimes let us use their chipper our 2263 01:24:00,480 --> 01:24:04,880 crew um and when our crew is back uh 2264 01:24:04,880 --> 01:24:07,440 from this next fire they're going on 2265 01:24:07,440 --> 01:24:11,360 we'll reach out to the state um Utah 2266 01:24:11,360 --> 01:24:13,440 state forestry fire state lands 2267 01:24:13,440 --> 01:24:15,600 representative and see if he'll let us 2268 01:24:15,600 --> 01:24:16,960 use he's let us use it off and on 2269 01:24:16,960 --> 01:24:18,080 throughout the summer we've used it 2270 01:24:18,080 --> 01:24:21,040 multiple times this summer um we'll see 2271 01:24:21,040 --> 01:24:22,800 if he'll let us use it again we can send 2272 01:24:22,800 --> 01:24:24,639 our crews around to do some shipping 2273 01:24:24,639 --> 01:24:27,440 we're also talking getting dumpsters. Uh 2274 01:24:27,440 --> 01:24:28,880 so if we don't have chipping, we'll have 2275 01:24:28,880 --> 01:24:30,480 dumpsters. People can you they'd have to 2276 01:24:30,480 --> 01:24:31,360 haul it to the dumpster. 2277 01:24:31,360 --> 01:24:32,880 >> It's hard because I like that people are 2278 01:24:32,880 --> 01:24:34,639 clearing it because that's good, but 2279 01:24:34,639 --> 01:24:36,400 then it's bad when it's all stacked by 2280 01:24:36,400 --> 01:24:37,520 the curb. 2281 01:24:37,520 --> 01:24:39,120 >> Well, and and right now we're actually 2282 01:24:39,120 --> 01:24:44,000 in stage two fire restrictions. So which suggests you don't use chainsaws 2283 01:24:44,000 --> 01:24:45,040 at all right now. 2284 01:24:45,040 --> 01:24:48,000 >> That's why 2285 01:24:48,000 --> 01:24:51,120 we want to encourage people to be out 2286 01:24:51,120 --> 01:24:53,760 um clearing a lot right now. I mean, I 2287 01:24:53,760 --> 01:24:55,920 love that they're clearing, but if 2288 01:24:55,920 --> 01:24:57,920 you're on that dry, tall grass right now 2289 01:24:57,920 --> 01:25:00,400 and you set your chainsaw down, you 2290 01:25:00,400 --> 01:25:01,840 know, that that could set a fire up 2291 01:25:01,840 --> 01:25:02,719 pretty easily. 2292 01:25:02,719 --> 01:25:03,520 >> Yeah. 2293 01:25:03,520 --> 01:25:05,920 >> So, the state 2294 01:25:05,920 --> 01:25:07,280 and federal grounds right now, you can't 2295 01:25:07,280 --> 01:25:08,880 use chainsaws 2296 01:25:08,880 --> 01:25:10,560 >> or county. 2297 01:25:10,560 --> 01:25:12,560 >> Even I was worried we we got our house 2298 01:25:12,560 --> 01:25:14,080 painted, but the house painters were 2299 01:25:14,080 --> 01:25:15,360 parking like their truck and their 2300 01:25:15,360 --> 01:25:17,440 trailer kind of up into the grass on the 2301 01:25:17,440 --> 01:25:18,960 side of the road because there's really 2302 01:25:18,960 --> 01:25:20,880 nowhere for them to park. It just made 2303 01:25:20,880 --> 01:25:22,719 me nervous. I thought, oh, if there's a 2304 01:25:22,719 --> 01:25:25,199 tall grass and something underneath is 2305 01:25:25,199 --> 01:25:29,040 too hot, you know what I mean? I just makes you nervous. It's like 2306 01:25:29,040 --> 01:25:30,800 >> recommending. And and even like if you 2307 01:25:30,800 --> 01:25:32,639 got those metal blades on your weed or 2308 01:25:32,639 --> 01:25:33,840 stuff like that, be careful with those 2309 01:25:33,840 --> 01:25:36,159 because if you hit rock spark, I 2310 01:25:36,159 --> 01:25:37,920 >> mean, right now, I mean, we're coming 2311 01:25:37,920 --> 01:25:41,600 into hopefully, they keep saying monsoon 2312 01:25:41,600 --> 01:25:42,960 weather, but it comes for a day and it 2313 01:25:42,960 --> 01:25:44,639 goes. And it kind of misses it's been 2314 01:25:44,639 --> 01:25:46,400 missing us because I were down in 2315 01:25:46,400 --> 01:25:48,560 Mapleton and it'll get poor it'll pour 2316 01:25:48,560 --> 01:25:50,000 down there and then I look on my camera 2317 01:25:50,000 --> 01:25:51,440 and there's nothing up here. 2318 01:25:51,440 --> 01:25:53,679 >> And yesterday there was it was pouring 2319 01:25:53,679 --> 01:25:56,639 in Salt Lake at my granddaughter's 2320 01:25:56,639 --> 01:25:59,120 soccer game and lightning and they had 2321 01:25:59,120 --> 01:26:00,880 cancelled the game and Willa started 2322 01:26:00,880 --> 01:26:03,120 getting evacuations because of the fire 2323 01:26:03,120 --> 01:26:05,280 there and then it was just fine here. 2324 01:26:05,280 --> 01:26:07,600 >> There were I think four four or five 2325 01:26:07,600 --> 01:26:08,960 fires yesterday that started. 2326 01:26:08,960 --> 01:26:12,159 >> Yeah. I think we had 55 new fires 2327 01:26:12,159 --> 01:26:14,320 started in the last week around the 2328 01:26:14,320 --> 01:26:14,639 state. 2329 01:26:14,639 --> 01:26:15,520 >> Wow. 2330 01:26:15,520 --> 01:26:17,840 >> Anyway, so we're not uh promoting a 2331 01:26:17,840 --> 01:26:21,040 chipper days yet. Uh could happen, but 2332 01:26:21,040 --> 01:26:23,120 right now we can't guarantee that just 2333 01:26:23,120 --> 01:26:25,440 so I I'm just probably going to put 2334 01:26:25,440 --> 01:26:27,280 onify and just say we not we don't have 2335 01:26:27,280 --> 01:26:28,960 a plan chipper days right now. If you're 2336 01:26:28,960 --> 01:26:30,400 putting out, please keep it back from 2337 01:26:30,400 --> 01:26:31,440 the road. 2338 01:26:31,440 --> 01:26:33,280 >> Maybe remind them that they're not 2339 01:26:33,280 --> 01:26:35,199 supposed to be using a chainsaw. 2340 01:26:35,199 --> 01:26:37,679 >> Yeah, that's good to know because a lot 2341 01:26:37,679 --> 01:26:39,600 of people don't know that. Well, and so 2342 01:26:39,600 --> 01:26:41,679 that's county, state, and federal land. 2343 01:26:41,679 --> 01:26:44,000 Each city is is required to to set their 2344 01:26:44,000 --> 01:26:46,080 own regulations or restrictions on that. 2345 01:26:46,080 --> 01:26:48,159 We haven't set one, but we're kind of 2346 01:26:48,159 --> 01:26:50,080 following the guidelines of the county. 2347 01:26:50,080 --> 01:26:53,120 >> Um because we're outside. So, 2348 01:26:53,120 --> 01:26:54,639 >> we should because it's a decision 2349 01:26:54,639 --> 01:26:56,719 between you and mayor to set those 2350 01:26:56,719 --> 01:26:58,639 restrictions. 2351 01:26:58,639 --> 01:27:00,480 That's something coming up for the 2352 01:27:00,480 --> 01:27:03,600 >> so in my TED talk uh in my video I did 2353 01:27:03,600 --> 01:27:05,520 suggest that we're following counting 2354 01:27:05,520 --> 01:27:09,910 restrictions which 2355 01:27:09,920 --> 01:27:13,440 » let's maybe yeah let's do a on that 2356 01:27:13,440 --> 01:27:18,239 great thank you Ted uh Sergeant Dudson 2357 01:27:18,239 --> 01:27:25,270 Utah County Sheriff report 2358 01:27:25,280 --> 01:27:29,990 » okay watch all the public hops 2359 01:27:30,000 --> 01:27:31,360 Well, I just got to let you guys know 2360 01:27:31,360 --> 01:27:34,400 I'm leaving Woodland Hills. 2361 01:27:34,400 --> 01:27:36,800 >> No, you're not. 2362 01:27:36,800 --> 01:27:39,040 >> You're not allowed to. Are you wanting 2363 01:27:39,040 --> 01:27:43,040 us to Excuse me. We fought for you. 2364 01:27:43,040 --> 01:27:44,950 >> Excuse me. 2365 01:27:44,950 --> 01:27:46,159 [laughter] 2366 01:27:46,159 --> 01:27:47,199 >> Call me Sheriff Smith. 2367 01:27:47,199 --> 01:27:48,639 >> No. 2368 01:27:48,639 --> 01:27:50,719 >> Yeah, we're all texting him right now. 2369 01:27:50,719 --> 01:27:52,320 >> I'll be reporting your bad joke. 2370 01:27:52,320 --> 01:27:55,280 >> I catch you all. 2371 01:27:55,280 --> 01:27:58,400 No, I I just want to inform you that so 2372 01:27:58,400 --> 01:28:01,440 starting or in July of next year, the 2373 01:28:01,440 --> 01:28:03,679 sheriff's office contract comes up for 2374 01:28:03,679 --> 01:28:06,320 renewal. So it'll be a four It's every 2375 01:28:06,320 --> 01:28:07,280 four years. 2376 01:28:07,280 --> 01:28:08,159 >> Y 2377 01:28:08,159 --> 01:28:10,320 >> um there will be a cost increase. What 2378 01:28:10,320 --> 01:28:13,760 that increase is, we don't know yet. I'm 2379 01:28:13,760 --> 01:28:15,840 just letting you guys know towards the 2380 01:28:15,840 --> 01:28:18,159 end of fall, I'll meet with my admin and 2381 01:28:18,159 --> 01:28:19,679 we'll start running numbers and 2382 01:28:19,679 --> 01:28:21,920 hopefully have some numbers to you 2383 01:28:21,920 --> 01:28:24,560 January, February. The sooner the 2384 01:28:24,560 --> 01:28:25,679 better, but I just want to let you guys 2385 01:28:25,679 --> 01:28:27,360 know that that that contract will come 2386 01:28:27,360 --> 01:28:30,480 up and try to get it to you sooner than 2387 01:28:30,480 --> 01:28:35,600 later. So, you're budgeting for 27. 2388 01:28:35,600 --> 01:28:37,280 >> Wonderful. Do you want to talk at all 2389 01:28:37,280 --> 01:28:41,520 about uh Summer Creek Drive? 2390 01:28:41,520 --> 01:28:44,480 >> So, Summit Creek Drive towards the the 2391 01:28:44,480 --> 01:28:46,800 bottom portion of it. Um once you kind 2392 01:28:46,800 --> 01:28:49,040 of go through the gates there, we do 2393 01:28:49,040 --> 01:28:51,679 have a a speed trailer set up there 2394 01:28:51,679 --> 01:28:53,840 that's just reminding people to slow 2395 01:28:53,840 --> 01:28:55,600 down. That speed limit through there is 2396 01:28:55,600 --> 01:28:58,239 30, but we're in the process working 2397 01:28:58,239 --> 01:29:00,880 with Ted and that's going to lower to 25 2398 01:29:00,880 --> 01:29:02,400 miles an hour once you go through the 2399 01:29:02,400 --> 01:29:06,400 gate to 11200. 2400 01:29:06,400 --> 01:29:07,840 just with there's been a lot of 2401 01:29:07,840 --> 01:29:09,760 complaints through there with speeding 2402 01:29:09,760 --> 01:29:13,440 and myself and Deputy Monson have sat 2403 01:29:13,440 --> 01:29:15,520 out there and 2404 01:29:15,520 --> 01:29:17,360 watched 2405 01:29:17,360 --> 01:29:19,440 traffic. We've made traffic stops and 2406 01:29:19,440 --> 01:29:21,760 >> for the record I don't drive that way. 2407 01:29:21,760 --> 01:29:22,560 >> I don't need 2408 01:29:22,560 --> 01:29:24,639 >> no 2409 01:29:24,639 --> 01:29:25,280 go there. 2410 01:29:25,280 --> 01:29:27,120 >> I I did 2411 01:29:27,120 --> 01:29:27,840 >> buy a new car. 2412 01:29:27,840 --> 01:29:30,560 >> Sergeant Dudson, you know, 2413 01:29:30,560 --> 01:29:32,480 >> pull you over the next time he sees you 2414 01:29:32,480 --> 01:29:33,679 to talk about 2415 01:29:33,679 --> 01:29:38,960 >> it in my new car. Yeah. So, but just so you know, he's he's been 2416 01:29:38,960 --> 01:29:41,679 instructed to to target you, 2417 01:29:41,679 --> 01:29:44,239 >> but then you can give you can uh grant 2418 01:29:44,239 --> 01:29:45,920 uh 2419 01:29:45,920 --> 01:29:47,520 >> No, 2420 01:29:47,520 --> 01:29:49,199 hopefully that work. Ted's been getting 2421 01:29:49,199 --> 01:29:52,560 some signs that will hopefully indicate 2422 01:29:52,560 --> 01:29:54,800 before that speed limit drops to 25, 2423 01:29:54,800 --> 01:29:57,199 what's the distance between the 25 mile 2424 01:29:57,199 --> 01:29:58,560 speed limit and the warning? 2425 01:29:58,560 --> 01:29:59,920 >> It's about 300 ft. 2426 01:29:59,920 --> 01:30:02,239 >> Okay. It'll be a yellow diamond. It'll 2427 01:30:02,239 --> 01:30:04,000 have the speed limit with an arrow point 2428 01:30:04,000 --> 01:30:05,840 ahead that it's that the speed limit is 2429 01:30:05,840 --> 01:30:07,120 dropping. 2430 01:30:07,120 --> 01:30:08,480 >> They're also going to do the same thing 2431 01:30:08,480 --> 01:30:10,080 here on 2432 01:30:10,080 --> 01:30:29,750 >> where it drops from 35 to 25. 2433 01:30:29,760 --> 01:30:31,280 » Well, 2434 01:30:31,280 --> 01:30:33,280 I'm not sure 2435 01:30:33,280 --> 01:30:34,800 technically right now doesn't have 2436 01:30:34,800 --> 01:30:39,510 speed. 2437 01:30:39,520 --> 01:30:41,280 » Well, maybe that's not true because 2438 01:30:41,280 --> 01:30:44,400 farther up Summer Creek it is 30 2439 01:30:44,400 --> 01:30:46,719 >> a sign that says 30. 2440 01:30:46,719 --> 01:30:48,159 >> Well, let's take a look at that and 2441 01:30:48,159 --> 01:30:50,080 we'll do what it what the statute 2442 01:30:50,080 --> 01:30:50,560 requires. 2443 01:30:50,560 --> 01:30:53,520 >> Yeah, I guess 2444 01:30:53,520 --> 01:30:55,040 way we'll make it happen. 2445 01:30:55,040 --> 01:31:04,629 >> All right. Sorry to scare you a little. 2446 01:31:04,639 --> 01:31:06,480 And just clarification, law enforcement 2447 01:31:06,480 --> 01:31:08,719 does not set speed limits. That is up to 2448 01:31:08,719 --> 01:31:11,280 the cities and the state to simples. 2449 01:31:11,280 --> 01:31:13,440 We'll enforce it. So, 2450 01:31:13,440 --> 01:31:14,960 >> we encourage if there needs to be a 2451 01:31:14,960 --> 01:31:16,239 change, but yeah. 2452 01:31:16,239 --> 01:31:18,000 >> So, crime wise, our city's pretty good, 2453 01:31:18,000 --> 01:31:19,679 huh? We do pretty good. I mean, I see 2454 01:31:19,679 --> 01:31:21,360 your little stats that you send me for 2455 01:31:21,360 --> 01:31:23,280 the newsletter. Seems like we don't have 2456 01:31:23,280 --> 01:31:23,920 a lot. 2457 01:31:23,920 --> 01:31:28,790 >> Will is a pretty good place. 2458 01:31:28,800 --> 01:31:29,920 Okay. Thank you, Sergeant. 2459 01:31:29,920 --> 01:31:30,560 >> Okay. 2460 01:31:30,560 --> 01:31:32,639 >> Glad you're not leaving. 2461 01:31:32,639 --> 01:31:36,790 >> Yeah. Commissioner, 2462 01:31:36,800 --> 01:31:38,560 » we're going to now discuss the proposed 2463 01:31:38,560 --> 01:31:41,120 amendments to city code title 10 and 2464 01:31:41,120 --> 01:31:43,520 title 11. 2465 01:31:43,520 --> 01:31:46,480 Title 10, as you know, is kind of our 2466 01:31:46,480 --> 01:31:50,159 zoning ordinances and has a lot of that 2467 01:31:50,159 --> 01:31:53,679 in there. The uh you've got them in your 2468 01:31:53,679 --> 01:31:56,239 packet. Title 10. There was some 2469 01:31:56,239 --> 01:31:58,880 tweaking that we thought we needed to do 2470 01:31:58,880 --> 01:32:02,880 and some clarification and added to a 2471 01:32:02,880 --> 01:32:07,040 few of them to do that. 2472 01:32:07,040 --> 01:32:12,960 We had public hearing on those as well a 2473 01:32:12,960 --> 01:32:16,800 week ago and we had no input because we 2474 01:32:16,800 --> 01:32:19,600 had nobody here further public hearing. 2475 01:32:19,600 --> 01:32:23,280 So, there were no objections to it. As 2476 01:32:23,280 --> 01:32:25,520 the planning commission looked at those, 2477 01:32:25,520 --> 01:32:29,280 we there's one that we uh we think needs 2478 01:32:29,280 --> 01:32:31,440 to have more work. So, we've removed 2479 01:32:31,440 --> 01:32:34,560 that from what's being presented to you 2480 01:32:34,560 --> 01:32:36,800 and we'll we'll look at that further and 2481 01:32:36,800 --> 01:32:39,040 see if we can make that work. 2482 01:32:39,040 --> 01:32:41,040 >> I read through it, but I didn't see I 2483 01:32:41,040 --> 01:32:42,960 mean, usually you send us something like 2484 01:32:42,960 --> 01:32:44,719 this is getting struck out, this is 2485 01:32:44,719 --> 01:32:47,360 being added the in red or something. I 2486 01:32:47,360 --> 01:32:48,480 didn't see that in 2487 01:32:48,480 --> 01:32:50,639 >> that was sent you guys. 2488 01:32:50,639 --> 01:32:53,840 >> Oh, I probably read that then. 2489 01:32:53,840 --> 01:32:55,440 It was earlier. 2490 01:32:55,440 --> 01:32:55,840 >> So, 2491 01:32:55,840 --> 01:32:57,600 >> I just was looking for it at the end 2492 01:32:57,600 --> 01:33:00,159 one, but I get it. 2493 01:33:00,159 --> 01:33:03,440 >> So, that was title 10. 2494 01:33:03,440 --> 01:33:06,719 Uh, title 11 is our subdivision 2495 01:33:06,719 --> 01:33:10,159 ordinance. And as we got going through 2496 01:33:10,159 --> 01:33:13,440 that and we've had a lot of reviews 2497 01:33:13,440 --> 01:33:15,679 lately with subdivision issues that 2498 01:33:15,679 --> 01:33:18,320 we've gone back to the ordinance and see 2499 01:33:18,320 --> 01:33:20,639 what we need to do and how we do it so 2500 01:33:20,639 --> 01:33:23,840 forth. There were uh a couple of 2501 01:33:23,840 --> 01:33:27,440 sections that got overlooked 2502 01:33:27,440 --> 01:33:31,040 in uh moving the responsibility 2503 01:33:31,040 --> 01:33:34,239 or subdivisions from the city council to 2504 01:33:34,239 --> 01:33:36,639 the planning committee. And there was 2505 01:33:36,639 --> 01:33:39,520 still a lot of things in the paragraphs 2506 01:33:39,520 --> 01:33:41,360 that said the city council does this, 2507 01:33:41,360 --> 01:33:44,800 city council does that. So most all of 2508 01:33:44,800 --> 01:33:48,880 the changes that we made in title 11 2509 01:33:48,880 --> 01:33:51,760 corrected that oversight and put the 2510 01:33:51,760 --> 01:33:54,480 planning commission in place of the city 2511 01:33:54,480 --> 01:33:57,760 council in doing things relating to the 2512 01:33:57,760 --> 01:34:00,400 subdivisions. So that's what most all of 2513 01:34:00,400 --> 01:34:03,840 the changes were in title 11. And we've 2514 01:34:03,840 --> 01:34:06,080 got a little bit more work to do with 2515 01:34:06,080 --> 01:34:08,960 that that um we'll have a discussion on 2516 01:34:08,960 --> 01:34:11,920 that next month uh with some other 2517 01:34:11,920 --> 01:34:14,639 changes in in titling. 2518 01:34:14,639 --> 01:34:20,239 So any questions that you have on 2519 01:34:20,239 --> 01:34:22,960 any of that 2520 01:34:22,960 --> 01:34:25,440 we had all the commissioners voted in 2521 01:34:25,440 --> 01:34:28,080 favor of the changes. So they were 2522 01:34:28,080 --> 01:34:28,800 supportive of 2523 01:34:28,800 --> 01:34:30,320 >> and the reason to move it all to 2524 01:34:30,320 --> 01:34:33,840 planning commission instead of 2525 01:34:33,840 --> 01:34:36,480 state law 2526 01:34:36,480 --> 01:34:37,360 state laws change. 2527 01:34:37,360 --> 01:34:40,080 >> I I Okay, 2528 01:34:40,080 --> 01:34:42,239 >> I knew that part. I just didn't remember 2529 01:34:42,239 --> 01:34:44,880 which parts were changed in ours to 2530 01:34:44,880 --> 01:34:47,520 theirs because I had read theirs a lot. 2531 01:34:47,520 --> 01:34:50,080 >> Oh, yeah. [laughter] 2532 01:34:50,080 --> 01:34:50,719 >> Any other question? 2533 01:34:50,719 --> 01:34:53,280 >> It seems to be working out okay. Some 2534 01:34:53,280 --> 01:34:56,560 new new for us were some of this 2535 01:34:56,560 --> 01:34:59,600 unchartered ground things, but it's 2536 01:34:59,600 --> 01:35:04,400 coming together. So, we we don't have to have a public 2537 01:35:04,400 --> 01:35:06,159 hearing on it because they did. 2538 01:35:06,159 --> 01:35:06,800 >> Correct. 2539 01:35:06,800 --> 01:35:09,840 >> Yep. Yep. So uh then we're going to go 2540 01:35:09,840 --> 01:35:12,560 to departmental reports which is you. So 2541 01:35:12,560 --> 01:35:13,840 planning commission and code 2542 01:35:13,840 --> 01:35:15,920 enforcement. 2543 01:35:15,920 --> 01:35:17,840 >> Let me 2544 01:35:17,840 --> 01:35:20,800 make a comment. We've learned and I 2545 01:35:20,800 --> 01:35:22,719 think you all are aware of that that 2546 01:35:22,719 --> 01:35:24,880 really nothing's going to be happening 2547 01:35:24,880 --> 01:35:26,800 with 2548 01:35:26,800 --> 01:35:31,750 roundabout this year. 2549 01:35:31,760 --> 01:35:34,080 And so what I'm the planning commission 2550 01:35:34,080 --> 01:35:36,000 has been given a little responsibility 2551 01:35:36,000 --> 01:35:39,120 over the new post office stuff. I'm 2552 01:35:39,120 --> 01:35:40,880 going to be making a recommendation to 2553 01:35:40,880 --> 01:35:43,760 the mayor that we move this container 2554 01:35:43,760 --> 01:35:45,520 over to the east side of the parking 2555 01:35:45,520 --> 01:35:47,040 lot. 2556 01:35:47,040 --> 01:35:49,040 It'll be another six months likely 2557 01:35:49,040 --> 01:35:52,159 before anything is done. And and it is a 2558 01:35:52,159 --> 01:35:53,520 little crowded out there in the winter 2559 01:35:53,520 --> 01:35:56,159 time with snow and so forth. It'll it'll 2560 01:35:56,159 --> 01:35:59,360 kind of be in the way more. So, um, if 2561 01:35:59,360 --> 01:36:01,120 any of you have any thoughts on that, 2562 01:36:01,120 --> 01:36:04,560 let let the mayor know. But going to be 2563 01:36:04,560 --> 01:36:06,239 my recommendation to him this week 2564 01:36:06,239 --> 01:36:08,560 temporarily move it over there to the 2565 01:36:08,560 --> 01:36:09,920 east side and get it out of the way. 2566 01:36:09,920 --> 01:36:11,600 >> I think that is a good idea. 2567 01:36:11,600 --> 01:36:14,719 >> So, anyway, um, 2568 01:36:14,719 --> 01:36:17,440 we have [clears throat] 2569 01:36:17,440 --> 01:36:19,280 one of our residents that we've put a 2570 01:36:19,280 --> 01:36:23,840 lean on their their home and that is 2571 01:36:23,840 --> 01:36:25,920 accumulating. 2572 01:36:25,920 --> 01:36:29,040 We'll wait another 30 days and update 2573 01:36:29,040 --> 01:36:32,480 the lean that we have there with the uh 2574 01:36:32,480 --> 01:36:34,719 with the fines that are being incurred 2575 01:36:34,719 --> 01:36:36,000 by then. So, 2576 01:36:36,000 --> 01:36:38,000 >> usually the leans will say plus fees 2577 01:36:38,000 --> 01:36:39,760 fines, so you don't have to keep 2578 01:36:39,760 --> 01:36:41,440 updating. 2579 01:36:41,440 --> 01:36:43,360 >> They'll stay there, but they won't 2580 01:36:43,360 --> 01:36:45,760 increase. As I understand it, the lean 2581 01:36:45,760 --> 01:36:48,239 is whatever we 2582 01:36:48,239 --> 01:36:50,960 >> Well, it says plus fines, fees, etc. So, 2583 01:36:50,960 --> 01:36:52,639 you don't have to keep reapplying the 2584 01:36:52,639 --> 01:36:55,360 lean. You just do one and then you keep 2585 01:36:55,360 --> 01:36:58,239 track of it in the records at the city 2586 01:36:58,239 --> 01:37:00,960 or whatever. This is how HOAs do it. And 2587 01:37:00,960 --> 01:37:03,679 then so if someone doesn't pay their HOA 2588 01:37:03,679 --> 01:37:05,280 dues, 2589 01:37:05,280 --> 01:37:07,760 the original amount is shown as a lean, 2590 01:37:07,760 --> 01:37:10,639 but then it says plus fines, fees, legal 2591 01:37:10,639 --> 01:37:13,520 fees, etc. So you can add on to it 2592 01:37:13,520 --> 01:37:15,920 whatever you want. And you don't 2593 01:37:15,920 --> 01:37:17,840 >> you don't have to you don't have to put 2594 01:37:17,840 --> 01:37:18,719 another lean. 2595 01:37:18,719 --> 01:37:20,400 >> Good. We'll look at that and make sure 2596 01:37:20,400 --> 01:37:22,800 that we've got that kind of wording in 2597 01:37:22,800 --> 01:37:24,080 the in the lean that we 2598 01:37:24,080 --> 01:37:25,600 >> that gives you that way you only have to 2599 01:37:25,600 --> 01:37:27,520 do it once, but it just whenever they 2600 01:37:27,520 --> 01:37:29,679 pay it off, they they have to check 2601 01:37:29,679 --> 01:37:31,600 with. So, as a title company, if I see 2602 01:37:31,600 --> 01:37:34,159 that, I'm going to call the city and 2603 01:37:34,159 --> 01:37:36,480 say, "I need a payoff 2604 01:37:36,480 --> 01:37:38,560 >> and the seller is the one who pays that 2605 01:37:38,560 --> 01:37:39,040 off." 2606 01:37:39,040 --> 01:37:40,320 >> Well, it's through the closing title 2607 01:37:40,320 --> 01:37:41,679 company pays it because the seller can't 2608 01:37:41,679 --> 01:37:43,119 be trusted to pay it. So, the title 2609 01:37:43,119 --> 01:37:46,080 company pays it, but I it's my duty to 2610 01:37:46,080 --> 01:37:48,000 call the city and get the update. I 2611 01:37:48,000 --> 01:37:49,520 don't look at what the lean that's on 2612 01:37:49,520 --> 01:37:52,080 the property. I don't go by that amount. 2613 01:37:52,080 --> 01:37:52,480 >> Okay. 2614 01:37:52,480 --> 01:37:54,159 >> Title companies aren't allowed to go by 2615 01:37:54,159 --> 01:37:56,239 that amount. We can't trust that. I have 2616 01:37:56,239 --> 01:37:57,840 We have to call the city and get a 2617 01:37:57,840 --> 01:38:00,159 current up to date. So, if it's going to 2618 01:38:00,159 --> 01:38:02,480 close August 30th, we have to get a 2619 01:38:02,480 --> 01:38:04,400 payoff through August 30th. 2620 01:38:04,400 --> 01:38:06,320 >> Okay. List the first time we've done 2621 01:38:06,320 --> 01:38:07,920 that. So, that's good information to 2622 01:38:07,920 --> 01:38:08,719 know. 2623 01:38:08,719 --> 01:38:09,840 >> I know because I heard you say that 2624 01:38:09,840 --> 01:38:11,280 before and I was going to ask. I was 2625 01:38:11,280 --> 01:38:12,800 like, why? 2626 01:38:12,800 --> 01:38:14,400 >> Yeah. So, 2627 01:38:14,400 --> 01:38:16,080 >> okay. 2628 01:38:16,080 --> 01:38:18,480 thank you. 2629 01:38:18,480 --> 01:38:20,719 >> Okay, then uh nothing from emergency 2630 01:38:20,719 --> 01:38:22,719 management or none of special service 2631 01:38:22,719 --> 01:38:25,040 district. Um so we will move to the 2632 01:38:25,040 --> 01:38:28,880 mayor and city council reports. Um and 2633 01:38:28,880 --> 01:38:31,199 let's see if we can't keep them to that 2634 01:38:31,199 --> 01:38:34,960 five minutes or less. Um myself today, 2635 01:38:34,960 --> 01:38:37,600 um Jod, Lori, and Charlene tried to beat 2636 01:38:37,600 --> 01:38:41,040 me up pretty good. uh we spent all day 2637 01:38:41,040 --> 01:38:43,920 long uh going over every single 2638 01:38:43,920 --> 01:38:45,679 financial policy and procedure that we 2639 01:38:45,679 --> 01:38:47,280 have and mapping them out and 2640 01:38:47,280 --> 01:38:50,880 documenting them. So it was a very very 2641 01:38:50,880 --> 01:38:54,560 long very successful um day. So I want 2642 01:38:54,560 --> 01:38:57,920 to thank the three of them um that they 2643 01:38:57,920 --> 01:39:00,960 stuck with me on all of that. Uh but I 2644 01:39:00,960 --> 01:39:02,320 think it was really good. So you guys 2645 01:39:02,320 --> 01:39:06,239 will see the the fruits of that work um 2646 01:39:06,239 --> 01:39:10,159 once I am able to compile it all. So 2647 01:39:10,159 --> 01:39:12,880 then legal updates. I've got nothing. So 2648 01:39:12,880 --> 01:39:14,800 Council Member Hutchkins is excused. 2649 01:39:14,800 --> 01:39:17,199 Council member Johns is excused. So 2650 01:39:17,199 --> 01:39:18,880 Council Member Lint Parks Trails 2651 01:39:18,880 --> 01:39:20,880 Recreation Finance Committee events and 2652 01:39:20,880 --> 01:39:22,159 communication. 2653 01:39:22,159 --> 01:39:25,920 >> Um I I was at Council Member John's 2654 01:39:25,920 --> 01:39:28,960 pickle ball fundraising meeting. Anyway, 2655 01:39:28,960 --> 01:39:31,679 it was it was good. Um there were a lot 2656 01:39:31,679 --> 01:39:33,679 of ideas thrown out. Ted gave a lot of 2657 01:39:33,679 --> 01:39:36,719 good input um at the meeting. Steve had 2658 01:39:36,719 --> 01:39:39,119 some good ideas and we we came up with a 2659 01:39:39,119 --> 01:39:41,119 plan to sell some bricks and benches. 2660 01:39:41,119 --> 01:39:43,760 And we really it was just an early kind 2661 01:39:43,760 --> 01:39:46,000 of highle meeting, but we made a list of 2662 01:39:46,000 --> 01:39:47,600 some things like where the benches are, 2663 01:39:47,600 --> 01:39:49,679 maybe having a canopy over for some 2664 01:39:49,679 --> 01:39:51,600 shade, you know, if we were able to 2665 01:39:51,600 --> 01:39:53,040 raise funds for some of those kinds of 2666 01:39:53,040 --> 01:39:54,400 things. It was like if we were able to 2667 01:39:54,400 --> 01:39:56,880 raise funds and then even if the 2668 01:39:56,880 --> 01:39:58,560 fundraiser goes really well and there's 2669 01:39:58,560 --> 01:40:00,719 extra money raised, we talked about 2670 01:40:00,719 --> 01:40:03,920 upgrading the playground um and maybe 2671 01:40:03,920 --> 01:40:05,280 even putting some shade over the 2672 01:40:05,280 --> 01:40:06,880 playground areas, some of the canopies 2673 01:40:06,880 --> 01:40:09,119 and things like that if if that amount 2674 01:40:09,119 --> 01:40:11,119 of money was raised. So, it that was a 2675 01:40:11,119 --> 01:40:13,119 good meeting and he's not here, but I I 2676 01:40:13,119 --> 01:40:14,719 was there so I can report on that. And 2677 01:40:14,719 --> 01:40:17,920 then um 2678 01:40:17,920 --> 01:40:20,320 I have PTR. We did meet but we didn't 2679 01:40:20,320 --> 01:40:22,239 have a quorum so it was just really 2680 01:40:22,239 --> 01:40:24,400 brief. We just talked about pickle ball 2681 01:40:24,400 --> 01:40:27,440 and doing trail maintenance. Uh it 2682 01:40:27,440 --> 01:40:29,280 originally was set for October 3rd, but 2683 01:40:29,280 --> 01:40:31,360 that is conference weekend. So we moved 2684 01:40:31,360 --> 01:40:33,920 it back a week. We're risking weather 2685 01:40:33,920 --> 01:40:36,480 because we have been known to get some 2686 01:40:36,480 --> 01:40:39,280 inclement weather by then, but if we do, 2687 01:40:39,280 --> 01:40:40,800 >> What day is that then? 2688 01:40:40,800 --> 01:40:42,800 >> October 10th will be 2689 01:40:42,800 --> 01:40:45,840 >> So you've not moved moved it forward to 2690 01:40:45,840 --> 01:40:48,080 >> Yes. Because Sher will be out of town 2691 01:40:48,080 --> 01:40:50,560 the end of September. So, we moved it to 2692 01:40:50,560 --> 01:40:52,560 October 10th and we'll do some 2693 01:40:52,560 --> 01:40:54,719 switchback trail maintenance 2694 01:40:54,719 --> 01:40:57,679 >> um and get it ready for winter. And then 2695 01:40:57,679 --> 01:40:59,840 >> finance committee, we haven't met and 2696 01:40:59,840 --> 01:41:01,360 then we have Woodland Hills Days coming 2697 01:41:01,360 --> 01:41:04,560 up. Just a couple things going on there. 2698 01:41:04,560 --> 01:41:06,880 Um everything is really good. Again, 2699 01:41:06,880 --> 01:41:09,119 there are six of us, so we've divided 2700 01:41:09,119 --> 01:41:10,639 and conquered. We really need to get 2701 01:41:10,639 --> 01:41:12,880 going hard on advertising, though. It's 2702 01:41:12,880 --> 01:41:16,239 I think it's time. Um 2703 01:41:16,239 --> 01:41:18,000 >> about the save the date. So, the save 2704 01:41:18,000 --> 01:41:18,719 the date text. 2705 01:41:18,719 --> 01:41:20,239 >> Yeah, the save the date. That was the 2706 01:41:20,239 --> 01:41:23,119 mayor today. That was good. I I'm going 2707 01:41:23,119 --> 01:41:24,400 to get the banners. We'll get those 2708 01:41:24,400 --> 01:41:27,199 updated and get those up in the next by 2709 01:41:27,199 --> 01:41:29,199 the first of the week versus September. 2710 01:41:29,199 --> 01:41:30,800 I think that's good. Usually a good two 2711 01:41:30,800 --> 01:41:33,840 weeks is usually plenty because the wind 2712 01:41:33,840 --> 01:41:35,760 beats the crap out of those poor 2713 01:41:35,760 --> 01:41:36,400 banners. 2714 01:41:36,400 --> 01:41:38,159 >> Well, it's the same weekend every year. 2715 01:41:38,159 --> 01:41:40,560 So, people people know it's coming. They 2716 01:41:40,560 --> 01:41:42,480 just like to get the details more as it 2717 01:41:42,480 --> 01:41:43,280 gets closer. 2718 01:41:43,280 --> 01:41:45,600 >> Yep. And then we'll start posting little 2719 01:41:45,600 --> 01:41:48,239 individual we want to do for each event, 2720 01:41:48,239 --> 01:41:50,239 you know, some little individual things. 2721 01:41:50,239 --> 01:41:52,560 Um, actually Hillary did one for the 2722 01:41:52,560 --> 01:41:54,159 booths because she's really gung-ho 2723 01:41:54,159 --> 01:41:56,000 about that. And I got two or three 2724 01:41:56,000 --> 01:41:58,080 messages from individuals wanting her 2725 01:41:58,080 --> 01:42:00,320 contact information. So I passed that 2726 01:42:00,320 --> 01:42:03,040 on. So that was good. So, uh, those do 2727 01:42:03,040 --> 01:42:04,320 work, you know, doing the little 2728 01:42:04,320 --> 01:42:06,080 individual event things. Sometimes I 2729 01:42:06,080 --> 01:42:08,719 wonder how many people see them, but the 2730 01:42:08,719 --> 01:42:10,480 right people are seeing them apparently. 2731 01:42:10,480 --> 01:42:13,760 So that works. So we'll do that. 2732 01:42:13,760 --> 01:42:15,119 That's all I got. 2733 01:42:15,119 --> 01:42:16,719 >> Okay. Thank you, Council Member 2734 01:42:16,719 --> 01:42:17,760 Malovich. 2735 01:42:17,760 --> 01:42:21,360 >> Um, it is legislative session already 2736 01:42:21,360 --> 01:42:24,000 almost. We're getting into that. Um, so 2737 01:42:24,000 --> 01:42:25,840 we've had several meetings about what's 2738 01:42:25,840 --> 01:42:27,520 happening and what's going to impact us. 2739 01:42:27,520 --> 01:42:29,199 The the theme of the year is 2740 01:42:29,199 --> 01:42:32,639 unpredictable. So, we have we have about 2741 01:42:32,639 --> 01:42:34,960 a fourth of the legislature turning 2742 01:42:34,960 --> 01:42:37,840 over, including the Senate President who 2743 01:42:37,840 --> 01:42:42,080 lost his race. Um, we here have our a 2744 01:42:42,080 --> 01:42:44,480 new representative, Jackie Larson, takes 2745 01:42:44,480 --> 01:42:46,639 over for Jeff Burton. There's a couple 2746 01:42:46,639 --> 01:42:49,440 of things that will impact us. They are 2747 01:42:49,440 --> 01:42:52,719 looking at um some changes again in 2748 01:42:52,719 --> 01:42:54,239 property tax. Some of the stuff that 2749 01:42:54,239 --> 01:42:58,880 failed last year is coming back. Um 2750 01:42:58,880 --> 01:43:00,560 there are those who want to do away with 2751 01:43:00,560 --> 01:43:02,719 property tax, which would affect our 2752 01:43:02,719 --> 01:43:06,560 city a lot. And so Florida is doing that 2753 01:43:06,560 --> 01:43:08,159 right now, trying to figure out how to 2754 01:43:08,159 --> 01:43:10,560 do that. and it's we're following them 2755 01:43:10,560 --> 01:43:14,639 because of it. Um there's also because 2756 01:43:14,639 --> 01:43:16,560 of the people who had to raise their 2757 01:43:16,560 --> 01:43:19,520 taxes a lot, truth and taxation laws are 2758 01:43:19,520 --> 01:43:21,280 going to probably change a little bit 2759 01:43:21,280 --> 01:43:23,679 more. So they're having some discussions 2760 01:43:23,679 --> 01:43:27,360 with that. Um 2761 01:43:27,360 --> 01:43:30,960 we talked about um about the of course 2762 01:43:30,960 --> 01:43:32,800 the affordable housing and what's going 2763 01:43:32,800 --> 01:43:36,000 on there. We do have a bill out that uh 2764 01:43:36,000 --> 01:43:38,639 could potentially make that anywhere 2765 01:43:38,639 --> 01:43:40,800 where there's residential 2766 01:43:40,800 --> 01:43:43,520 property that is zoned residential, no 2767 01:43:43,520 --> 01:43:46,480 matter what R or C or whatever it is, 2768 01:43:46,480 --> 01:43:49,199 would be allowed to have a 6,000 square 2769 01:43:49,199 --> 01:43:51,280 foot lot. 2770 01:43:51,280 --> 01:43:54,960 So that's proposal is out there to and 2771 01:43:54,960 --> 01:43:58,080 so that's a that could be an issue. Um 2772 01:43:58,080 --> 01:43:59,840 there's some bills out there with 2773 01:43:59,840 --> 01:44:03,440 regards to AI doing plan reviews. 2774 01:44:03,440 --> 01:44:06,080 Um and because some there's some 2775 01:44:06,080 --> 01:44:07,920 programs out there that some cities are 2776 01:44:07,920 --> 01:44:10,719 using. Um 2777 01:44:10,719 --> 01:44:13,520 then there's also 2778 01:44:13,520 --> 01:44:16,000 um 2779 01:44:16,000 --> 01:44:17,520 why I can't look at my own notes because 2780 01:44:17,520 --> 01:44:22,790 I can't read them. Um, 2781 01:44:22,800 --> 01:44:25,360 oh, there's been some efforts in the 2782 01:44:25,360 --> 01:44:29,040 counties um where they have threatened 2783 01:44:29,040 --> 01:44:32,159 cutting some funding to counties uh 2784 01:44:32,159 --> 01:44:34,960 because of the lack of h housing 2785 01:44:34,960 --> 01:44:38,639 possibilities. But Heber Council got 2786 01:44:38,639 --> 01:44:42,000 checked because they were debating 2787 01:44:42,000 --> 01:44:44,800 something and it didn't really go well 2788 01:44:44,800 --> 01:44:46,639 and so they were told you're not going 2789 01:44:46,639 --> 01:44:48,800 to get any funing. Well, it's not for 2790 01:44:48,800 --> 01:44:50,320 cities at this point. It's just 2791 01:44:50,320 --> 01:44:53,760 countywide. And so, but we bet we're 2792 01:44:53,760 --> 01:44:56,639 going to keep a check on that. Um, they 2793 01:44:56,639 --> 01:44:59,199 still want that 35,000 starter homes by 2794 01:44:59,199 --> 01:45:04,560 2028. Um, and lots less than 6,000 or 2795 01:45:04,560 --> 01:45:07,520 less than 6,000 square foot. Um, some of 2796 01:45:07,520 --> 01:45:10,719 the other things that uh that are coming 2797 01:45:10,719 --> 01:45:13,440 up is AI, the AI for plan review. Of 2798 01:45:13,440 --> 01:45:16,560 course, I just told you about um some of 2799 01:45:16,560 --> 01:45:21,840 the um these HOAs. Um a lot of HOAs 2800 01:45:21,840 --> 01:45:23,760 around the state are going out of 2801 01:45:23,760 --> 01:45:25,440 kicking the bucket and cities are having 2802 01:45:25,440 --> 01:45:27,600 to take over. So, they're wanting us to 2803 01:45:27,600 --> 01:45:30,719 be a little bit more. Just think about 2804 01:45:30,719 --> 01:45:33,440 that in terms of what would that cost be 2805 01:45:33,440 --> 01:45:34,960 to 2806 01:45:34,960 --> 01:45:36,960 um assimilate those things that have 2807 01:45:36,960 --> 01:45:39,040 been paid for by an HOA that now the 2808 01:45:39,040 --> 01:45:41,360 city would need to incorporate. 2809 01:45:41,360 --> 01:45:44,080 um impact fees. There's always something 2810 01:45:44,080 --> 01:45:49,830 about impact fees out there. Um 2811 01:45:49,840 --> 01:45:52,800 the building inspection timelines, 2812 01:45:52,800 --> 01:45:54,800 there's some issues out there right now 2813 01:45:54,800 --> 01:45:57,360 with that timeline. Most cities are 2814 01:45:57,360 --> 01:45:59,040 doing the three days. Okay. It's the 2815 01:45:59,040 --> 01:46:02,159 reinspection days that that are getting 2816 01:46:02,159 --> 01:46:04,400 concerns and so there might be some 2817 01:46:04,400 --> 01:46:06,880 changes coming in that arena. You're 2818 01:46:06,880 --> 01:46:08,880 talking about when you're building a 2819 01:46:08,880 --> 01:46:11,199 home day inction 2820 01:46:11,199 --> 01:46:13,600 >> that then the re the re like if 2821 01:46:13,600 --> 01:46:16,239 something's wrong how long is the timing 2822 01:46:16,239 --> 01:46:19,119 in getting it back in again putting it 2823 01:46:19,119 --> 01:46:20,080 on the schedule. 2824 01:46:20,080 --> 01:46:21,040 >> We'll be fine. 2825 01:46:21,040 --> 01:46:22,800 >> Some people some cities are really 2826 01:46:22,800 --> 01:46:25,440 having a problem. They are also talking 2827 01:46:25,440 --> 01:46:28,960 about uh pre-approved plans um where 2828 01:46:28,960 --> 01:46:31,119 this the planning commission if there's 2829 01:46:31,119 --> 01:46:33,040 somebody who's building homes that kind 2830 01:46:33,040 --> 01:46:35,040 of look the same that they would 2831 01:46:35,040 --> 01:46:37,679 preapprove a plan. So it wouldn't 2832 01:46:37,679 --> 01:46:39,040 necessarily go through the whole 2833 01:46:39,040 --> 01:46:41,360 planning process. 2834 01:46:41,360 --> 01:46:52,159 >> Yeah, there you go. So, so that is um also back to that less than 5,000 or 2835 01:46:52,159 --> 01:46:54,719 6,000 square foot land. If it if we 2836 01:46:54,719 --> 01:46:57,760 don't if this passes is it would be used 2837 01:46:57,760 --> 01:47:00,159 in all residential zones that allow 2838 01:47:00,159 --> 01:47:02,400 single family dwellings. If you don't 2839 01:47:02,400 --> 01:47:04,960 pass a designation 2840 01:47:04,960 --> 01:47:07,840 um for conditional use by July 1st of 2841 01:47:07,840 --> 01:47:10,800 2027, they would default to it would be 2842 01:47:10,800 --> 01:47:13,040 permit. it would be permitted like it 2843 01:47:13,040 --> 01:47:14,560 would just be you wouldn't have to ask 2844 01:47:14,560 --> 01:47:16,880 for a per permit. So that's in the 2845 01:47:16,880 --> 01:47:18,719 legislative cycle. It hasn't passed but 2846 01:47:18,719 --> 01:47:22,400 it's in there. Um 2847 01:47:22,400 --> 01:47:26,000 cities who don't have the attached ADU 2848 01:47:26,000 --> 01:47:30,159 um ordinances have till the 1 of October 2849 01:47:30,159 --> 01:47:34,400 to have that in place. Um 2850 01:47:34,400 --> 01:47:36,639 we have a few things else. I'm just 2851 01:47:36,639 --> 01:47:39,920 looking through my notes online. Um, of 2852 01:47:39,920 --> 01:47:42,080 course we don't do fireworks, but a lot 2853 01:47:42,080 --> 01:47:44,239 of cities had issues with the firework 2854 01:47:44,239 --> 01:47:48,880 bands. Um, our city was fine, but they 2855 01:47:48,880 --> 01:47:52,400 are talking about um 2856 01:47:52,400 --> 01:47:55,360 other issues with uh with fireworks and 2857 01:47:55,360 --> 01:47:57,440 fire safety overall. Kind of trying to 2858 01:47:57,440 --> 01:47:59,520 put those together and I figured Ted's 2859 01:47:59,520 --> 01:48:01,840 handling that. So, if there's something 2860 01:48:01,840 --> 01:48:03,840 in particular you want me to bring back, 2861 01:48:03,840 --> 01:48:07,119 Ted, tell me. Um lot of concerns over 2862 01:48:07,119 --> 01:48:09,280 cameras in cities, especially the flock 2863 01:48:09,280 --> 01:48:12,639 cameras. Um a lot of them are being 2864 01:48:12,639 --> 01:48:14,560 stolen out of cities and they're be 2865 01:48:14,560 --> 01:48:18,320 prosecuted. Um but law enforcement, it's 2866 01:48:18,320 --> 01:48:22,000 kind of that public safety versus um 2867 01:48:22,000 --> 01:48:23,679 privacy. 2868 01:48:23,679 --> 01:48:26,480 Most law enforcement came on and said uh 2869 01:48:26,480 --> 01:48:28,719 came into the meeting and said, you 2870 01:48:28,719 --> 01:48:31,520 know, this is how we're finding the 2871 01:48:31,520 --> 01:48:35,040 criminals is camera use. And so, and 2872 01:48:35,040 --> 01:48:37,840 then for us, we detect with fire. I 2873 01:48:37,840 --> 01:48:40,960 mean, we're not trying to to use any 2874 01:48:40,960 --> 01:48:47,280 cameras to do anything that's going on private property or 2875 01:48:47,280 --> 01:48:49,360 whatever, right? And so, those are 2876 01:48:49,360 --> 01:48:52,480 things that are really important. Um, we 2877 01:48:52,480 --> 01:48:54,800 also talked a lot about data centers 2878 01:48:54,800 --> 01:48:57,280 because data centers in Utah right now, 2879 01:48:57,280 --> 01:48:58,880 it was like this huge big thing in 2880 01:48:58,880 --> 01:49:00,880 Boxelder. They have one in Eagle 2881 01:49:00,880 --> 01:49:04,239 Mountain. Um, but in other areas of this 2882 01:49:04,239 --> 01:49:06,159 of the country, they can be just in 2883 01:49:06,159 --> 01:49:08,239 small little towns like ours. There 2884 01:49:08,239 --> 01:49:09,920 don't have to be these huge things. So, 2885 01:49:09,920 --> 01:49:11,679 there's four committees that are 2886 01:49:11,679 --> 01:49:14,320 actually looking at data centers and 2887 01:49:14,320 --> 01:49:17,840 upgrading some issues with data centers. 2888 01:49:17,840 --> 01:49:19,440 Um, 2889 01:49:19,440 --> 01:49:23,360 and there's a couple of things that uh 2890 01:49:23,360 --> 01:49:25,840 gram there's going to be some grammar 2891 01:49:25,840 --> 01:49:27,760 changes besides the one that we're 2892 01:49:27,760 --> 01:49:31,600 proposing. Um there's 2893 01:49:31,600 --> 01:49:34,960 some that are 2894 01:49:34,960 --> 01:49:36,800 some cities 2895 01:49:36,800 --> 01:49:39,280 use AI for all sorts of things, right? 2896 01:49:39,280 --> 01:49:41,920 We might make a flyer, we might make 2897 01:49:41,920 --> 01:49:44,800 whatever. Let's look through our things. 2898 01:49:44,800 --> 01:49:47,520 Now, some people are grammaring, 2899 01:49:47,520 --> 01:49:51,040 um AI prompts. 2900 01:49:51,040 --> 01:49:54,239 And so, um is that really a public 2901 01:49:54,239 --> 01:49:57,360 record or is it a draft of a potential 2902 01:49:57,360 --> 01:50:00,320 public record? And so legal teams are 2903 01:50:00,320 --> 01:50:03,280 looking into that to see what they can 2904 01:50:03,280 --> 01:50:05,520 do. Right now it's it's considered a 2905 01:50:05,520 --> 01:50:10,390 draft that's not 2906 01:50:10,400 --> 01:50:12,080 it's in the court system though is what 2907 01:50:12,080 --> 01:50:15,600 I'm saying. So that could change. So 2908 01:50:15,600 --> 01:50:17,840 right now the legislators looking at 2909 01:50:17,840 --> 01:50:22,159 that to to just say what can we do? Um, 2910 01:50:22,159 --> 01:50:25,440 we're encouraged to set up a meeting 2911 01:50:25,440 --> 01:50:27,679 sooner than later with our 2912 01:50:27,679 --> 01:50:29,280 representatives because they're going to 2913 01:50:29,280 --> 01:50:32,400 have busy plates. So maybe in October um 2914 01:50:32,400 --> 01:50:33,199 we meet with 2915 01:50:33,199 --> 01:50:34,480 >> Could you set those up, please? 2916 01:50:34,480 --> 01:50:36,480 Coordinate with Jody on scheduling. 2917 01:50:36,480 --> 01:50:40,800 >> Yeah. And then um the 2918 01:50:40,800 --> 01:50:44,400 uh League conference is in Salt Lake in 2919 01:50:44,400 --> 01:50:47,840 October 27th and 28th. I would like to 2920 01:50:47,840 --> 01:50:49,760 go. I don't know if any others would 2921 01:50:49,760 --> 01:50:52,239 like to go. 2922 01:50:52,239 --> 01:50:56,239 But let me see what else there was. 2923 01:50:56,239 --> 01:51:04,550 Um, 2924 01:51:04,560 --> 01:51:06,800 oh, the we don't we don't we don't 2925 01:51:06,800 --> 01:51:08,800 participate in the PID, do we at all 2926 01:51:08,800 --> 01:51:11,360 ever? We haven't so far in any of our 2927 01:51:11,360 --> 01:51:13,760 development agreements because there's 2928 01:51:13,760 --> 01:51:16,480 10 changes, 10 bills that have been 2929 01:51:16,480 --> 01:51:18,400 filed updating and changing those 2930 01:51:18,400 --> 01:51:23,119 things. Basically, it gives um taxing 2931 01:51:23,119 --> 01:51:25,440 authority to the developer, not the 2932 01:51:25,440 --> 01:51:27,440 city. And right now, there's not really 2933 01:51:27,440 --> 01:51:29,280 a lot of oversight with that. So, people 2934 01:51:29,280 --> 01:51:32,639 are upset. So, basically, that's that 2935 01:51:32,639 --> 01:51:35,360 was just for the update of this last 2936 01:51:35,360 --> 01:51:36,960 week, but we're going to get more and 2937 01:51:36,960 --> 01:51:39,199 more updates as it goes. And 2938 01:51:39,199 --> 01:51:40,719 >> Okay. Well, thank you. 2939 01:51:40,719 --> 01:51:42,719 >> Potential things that we might want to 2940 01:51:42,719 --> 01:51:47,520 consider what our our input should be. 2941 01:51:47,520 --> 01:51:51,679 >> Yay. They expect over last year we had 2942 01:51:51,679 --> 01:51:54,159 over 500 bills that affected municipal 2943 01:51:54,159 --> 01:51:55,760 government. They're expecting more this 2944 01:51:55,760 --> 01:51:57,840 year. 2945 01:51:57,840 --> 01:51:59,679 >> Okay. Well, 2946 01:51:59,679 --> 01:52:01,520 >> see what we can do. Thank you very much. 2947 01:52:01,520 --> 01:52:01,840 Hey, 2948 01:52:01,840 --> 01:52:05,109 >> council 2949 01:52:05,119 --> 01:52:08,000 conference is October 27th 2950 01:52:08,000 --> 01:52:11,199 does fall on the city council. 2951 01:52:11,199 --> 01:52:13,840 It's a Tuesday. 2952 01:52:13,840 --> 01:52:14,960 Then we'll 2953 01:52:14,960 --> 01:52:17,360 >> make sure you don't schedule the 2954 01:52:17,360 --> 01:52:20,000 representative. 2955 01:52:20,000 --> 01:52:21,840 >> Yeah, it's October 27. 2956 01:52:21,840 --> 01:52:23,760 >> Yeah, 2957 01:52:23,760 --> 01:52:27,280 >> perfect. Okay. Um, 2958 01:52:27,280 --> 01:52:29,599 Council Member Ro, 2959 01:52:29,599 --> 01:52:31,760 >> just in support of Woodland Hills Day is 2960 01:52:31,760 --> 01:52:33,920 number one thing we got going on. Um, 2961 01:52:33,920 --> 01:52:36,960 from a tech perspective, not much in 2962 01:52:36,960 --> 01:52:38,639 terms of new development of any new tech 2963 01:52:38,639 --> 01:52:42,000 for the city. Um, everything seems to be 2964 01:52:42,000 --> 01:52:45,280 going well. as far as learning it. 2965 01:52:45,280 --> 01:52:48,639 They're doing a great job. Um the only 2966 01:52:48,639 --> 01:52:52,400 thing I would ask maybe uh that we we 2967 01:52:52,400 --> 01:52:56,320 start looking at and maybe considering 2968 01:52:56,320 --> 01:52:57,840 um 2969 01:52:57,840 --> 01:53:00,639 how we can perhaps leverage some agentic 2970 01:53:00,639 --> 01:53:02,639 approach to do some of the task 2971 01:53:02,639 --> 01:53:04,320 management. 2972 01:53:04,320 --> 01:53:07,199 um some agents that can 2973 01:53:07,199 --> 01:53:09,520 just help offload some of the burden of 2974 01:53:09,520 --> 01:53:11,199 the repetitive tasks that we might be 2975 01:53:11,199 --> 01:53:12,719 doing either clerically or otherwise 2976 01:53:12,719 --> 01:53:14,080 that you know obviously don't include 2977 01:53:14,080 --> 01:53:15,920 finances or anything that's 2978 01:53:15,920 --> 01:53:18,400 >> public record but start looking at um I 2979 01:53:18,400 --> 01:53:22,639 mean almost every single LLM out there 2980 01:53:22,639 --> 01:53:25,040 is reduc is producing some pretty 2981 01:53:25,040 --> 01:53:28,960 impressive agentic workflow type agents 2982 01:53:28,960 --> 01:53:33,679 that are very very inexpensive and very good at what they do and Anything 2983 01:53:33,679 --> 01:53:37,360 we can do to offset um the workload of 2984 01:53:37,360 --> 01:53:41,440 our reduced staff, I would like us to at 2985 01:53:41,440 --> 01:53:43,119 least consider. 2986 01:53:43,119 --> 01:53:46,880 >> So great. Would you be able to schedule 2987 01:53:46,880 --> 01:53:49,760 some time to kind of sit with Jody and 2988 01:53:49,760 --> 01:53:53,119 >> and Lori and see if there are some 2989 01:53:53,119 --> 01:53:55,280 applications that may 2990 01:53:55,280 --> 01:53:59,840 >> and anything that is um I mean we we can 2991 01:53:59,840 --> 01:54:02,080 get into the details but um these 2992 01:54:02,080 --> 01:54:03,679 wouldn't be what I would call fully 2993 01:54:03,679 --> 01:54:05,440 deployed agent workforce. In other 2994 01:54:05,440 --> 01:54:06,719 words, they're not making decisions. 2995 01:54:06,719 --> 01:54:08,080 they're not looking at data and then 2996 01:54:08,080 --> 01:54:09,440 making a decision on the data. But 2997 01:54:09,440 --> 01:54:10,800 they're mostly going to be workflow 2998 01:54:10,800 --> 01:54:14,800 based. Um reminders, etc. of of things 2999 01:54:14,800 --> 01:54:16,400 that need to do, things that need to 3000 01:54:16,400 --> 01:54:18,400 happen, and then always that human in 3001 01:54:18,400 --> 01:54:20,960 the loop element of yes, execute these. 3002 01:54:20,960 --> 01:54:23,280 Um not just 3003 01:54:23,280 --> 01:54:25,760 >> rogue agent zeros going through our city 3004 01:54:25,760 --> 01:54:27,199 doing things. Want to make sure that's 3005 01:54:27,199 --> 01:54:30,880 very clear for the record, but there's just a lot of repetitive tasks 3006 01:54:30,880 --> 01:54:32,639 that that we all do in our day-to-day 3007 01:54:32,639 --> 01:54:36,880 that agent flows can really solve. Okay, 3008 01:54:36,880 --> 01:54:39,760 thank you. Um items for upcoming city 3009 01:54:39,760 --> 01:54:41,840 council meetings 3010 01:54:41,840 --> 01:54:43,520 >> um 3011 01:54:43,520 --> 01:54:44,800 >> ETR 3012 01:54:44,800 --> 01:54:47,440 >> just the what we discussed. 3013 01:54:47,440 --> 01:54:49,280 >> Okay, 3014 01:54:49,280 --> 01:54:50,960 wonderful. Yes. 3015 01:54:50,960 --> 01:54:52,239 >> Have you he talked to the other party? 3016 01:54:52,239 --> 01:54:53,760 >> I have not yet. 3017 01:54:53,760 --> 01:54:54,880 >> I did 3018 01:54:54,880 --> 01:54:57,840 >> and that party agreed. 3019 01:54:57,840 --> 01:54:59,760 >> Perfect. Okay, I'll talk with him as 3020 01:54:59,760 --> 01:55:01,520 well. I have lunch with him on Thursday 3021 01:55:01,520 --> 01:55:02,719 with the bench. 3022 01:55:02,719 --> 01:55:03,119 >> Okay. 3023 01:55:03,119 --> 01:55:05,440 >> Potential potential bench manufacturer. 3024 01:55:05,440 --> 01:55:06,320 Awesome. 3025 01:55:06,320 --> 01:55:08,159 >> So, we can talk them. Wonderful. 3026 01:55:08,159 --> 01:55:10,320 >> You know, I was thinking too, um, we've 3027 01:55:10,320 --> 01:55:11,920 had several, you know, a couple of 3028 01:55:11,920 --> 01:55:13,520 people who have made benches because 3029 01:55:13,520 --> 01:55:15,679 their loved one has passed away. You 3030 01:55:15,679 --> 01:55:18,560 know, the Waters did one and Sherry did 3031 01:55:18,560 --> 01:55:20,719 one. Maybe we should make that kind of 3032 01:55:20,719 --> 01:55:22,400 an option 3033 01:55:22,400 --> 01:55:23,360 >> ongoing option 3034 01:55:23,360 --> 01:55:26,480 >> is the company that we are looking at. 3035 01:55:26,480 --> 01:55:28,080 >> Because I think right now people don't 3036 01:55:28,080 --> 01:55:31,119 think of it. um long-term residents do 3037 01:55:31,119 --> 01:55:32,880 or people who use the park. But it would 3038 01:55:32,880 --> 01:55:34,960 be nice when we're starting to look at 3039 01:55:34,960 --> 01:55:36,719 this other fundraising just to say, 3040 01:55:36,719 --> 01:55:39,199 "Hey, you ever want to have something 3041 01:55:39,199 --> 01:55:41,760 special in memory of your loved one? 3042 01:55:41,760 --> 01:55:44,159 We're offering to you to put a bench up 3043 01:55:44,159 --> 01:55:45,119 someplace." 3044 01:55:45,119 --> 01:55:47,679 >> Still pushing for the cemetery. 3045 01:55:47,679 --> 01:55:50,239 That's my primary goal there. So 3046 01:55:50,239 --> 01:55:54,960 wonderful. Okay. Um does anybody need a 3047 01:55:54,960 --> 01:55:56,639 break? 3048 01:55:56,639 --> 01:55:58,159 If you need one, that's fine. We can 3049 01:55:58,159 --> 01:55:58,480 take one. 3050 01:55:58,480 --> 01:55:59,840 >> We have five minutes left of our 3051 01:55:59,840 --> 01:56:02,159 meeting, so we better not. 3052 01:56:02,159 --> 01:56:03,199 >> Okay. Are you okay? 3053 01:56:03,199 --> 01:56:04,880 >> Are we going to go into a closed? 3054 01:56:04,880 --> 01:56:07,040 >> Yes. You might need a break. 3055 01:56:07,040 --> 01:56:08,719 >> Let's take Let's take a short one. 3056 01:56:08,719 --> 01:56:11,599 >> Okay. Take a short break. It currently 3057 01:56:11,599 --> 01:56:16,390 >> minutes or less. 3058 01:56:16,400 --> 01:56:18,639 » Oh, we're good. It didn't say recording 3059 01:56:18,639 --> 01:56:23,030 in progress. I was waiting. 3060 01:56:23,040 --> 01:56:25,360 » Okay. We'd like to call this council 3061 01:56:25,360 --> 01:56:27,199 meeting to order. Uh we're going to 3062 01:56:27,199 --> 01:56:28,719 start with an invocation from Council 3063 01:56:28,719 --> 01:56:31,040 Member Rhoden and a pledge from Council 3064 01:56:31,040 --> 01:56:34,170 Member Malovich. 3065 01:56:34,170 --> 01:56:35,840 [clears throat] 3066 01:56:35,840 --> 01:56:37,199 Our heavenly father, we're grateful for 3067 01:56:37,199 --> 01:56:39,440 the opportunity to 3068 01:56:39,440 --> 01:56:42,560 be gathered together 3069 01:56:42,560 --> 01:56:44,960 uh in council for this wonderful area in 3070 01:56:44,960 --> 01:56:46,400 which we live. Grateful for our 3071 01:56:46,400 --> 01:56:48,960 residents and we pray for them. We pray 3072 01:56:48,960 --> 01:56:51,599 for our minds to be open to 3073 01:56:51,599 --> 01:56:52,560 the needs [clears throat] of this city 3074 01:56:52,560 --> 01:56:54,960 and understand the impacts of our 3075 01:56:54,960 --> 01:56:58,159 decisions. uh that we make. We are 3076 01:56:58,159 --> 01:56:59,520 grateful for all the blessings we 3077 01:56:59,520 --> 01:57:01,360 receive in this area and we say this in 3078 01:57:01,360 --> 01:57:03,040 the name of Jesus Christ. Amen. 3079 01:57:03,040 --> 01:57:04,159 >> Amen. 3080 01:57:04,159 --> 01:57:06,880 >> Well, please rise the flag and repeat 3081 01:57:06,880 --> 01:57:09,679 with me the pledge of allegiance. 3082 01:57:09,679 --> 01:57:13,520 >> I aliance to the flag of the United 3083 01:57:13,520 --> 01:57:15,440 States of America 3084 01:57:15,440 --> 01:57:18,960 >> and to the republic for which it stands. 3085 01:57:18,960 --> 01:57:23,199 One nation under God, indivisible, with 3086 01:57:23,199 --> 01:57:30,550 liberty and justice for all. 3087 01:57:30,560 --> 01:57:32,960 » Wonderful. Uh we would like to open the 3088 01:57:32,960 --> 01:57:35,119 public comment. Uh comments are limited 3089 01:57:35,119 --> 01:57:37,280 to two minutes or less. Only in-person 3090 01:57:37,280 --> 01:57:39,119 comments will be included as part of the 3091 01:57:39,119 --> 01:57:42,159 official record. Um it does not look 3092 01:57:42,159 --> 01:57:44,400 like we have anybody from the public 3093 01:57:44,400 --> 01:57:45,920 unless Sergeant you want to say 3094 01:57:45,920 --> 01:57:47,520 anything. 3095 01:57:47,520 --> 01:57:49,679 Okay, then we will close the public 3096 01:57:49,679 --> 01:57:51,280 comment section of this meeting and we 3097 01:57:51,280 --> 01:57:53,679 will move to the consent agenda. This is 3098 01:57:53,679 --> 01:57:56,560 for the August 11th, 2026 city council 3099 01:57:56,560 --> 01:57:58,800 meeting minutes. 3100 01:57:58,800 --> 01:58:00,320 Do I have a motion? 3101 01:58:00,320 --> 01:58:01,520 >> I'll make a motion. 3102 01:58:01,520 --> 01:58:03,280 >> Council member Blunt with a motion. 3103 01:58:03,280 --> 01:58:04,000 >> I'll second. 3104 01:58:04,000 --> 01:58:06,080 >> Council member Malovich with a second. 3105 01:58:06,080 --> 01:58:07,840 Um, all in favor? 3106 01:58:07,840 --> 01:58:09,040 >> I. 3107 01:58:09,040 --> 01:58:13,040 >> Any opposed? Okay, that motion passes. 3108 01:58:13,040 --> 01:58:14,800 Um, we are going to move now to the 3109 01:58:14,800 --> 01:58:16,800 motion to approve the funding for the 3110 01:58:16,800 --> 01:58:18,639 roads project. 3111 01:58:18,639 --> 01:58:19,760 >> I'll make a motion. 3112 01:58:19,760 --> 01:58:21,840 >> Council member Rooden with the motion. 3113 01:58:21,840 --> 01:58:22,800 >> I'll second. 3114 01:58:22,800 --> 01:58:24,960 >> Council member Malovich with a second. 3115 01:58:24,960 --> 01:58:27,199 All in favor? 3116 01:58:27,199 --> 01:58:30,480 >> Any opposed? 3117 01:58:30,480 --> 01:58:32,960 That motion passes. Uh, motion for the 3118 01:58:32,960 --> 01:58:34,880 change order for the roads project. 3119 01:58:34,880 --> 01:58:35,679 >> A motion. 3120 01:58:35,679 --> 01:58:37,360 >> Council member Malovich with a motion. 3121 01:58:37,360 --> 01:58:38,080 >> I'll second. 3122 01:58:38,080 --> 01:58:39,840 >> Council member Lent with a second. All 3123 01:58:39,840 --> 01:58:41,760 in favor? I. 3124 01:58:41,760 --> 01:58:47,440 >> Any opposed? That motion passes. Um 3125 01:58:47,440 --> 01:58:50,239 Jody, I have here a no for a roll call 3126 01:58:50,239 --> 01:58:52,239 on this amendment. Isn't that Don't I 3127 01:58:52,239 --> 01:58:54,080 need to do a roll call for amendments? 3128 01:58:54,080 --> 01:58:55,119 >> Okay. 3129 01:58:55,119 --> 01:58:59,280 >> Ordinance um 2026-15 amending sections 3130 01:58:59,280 --> 01:59:02,800 of the city code entitles 3131 01:59:02,800 --> 01:59:07,760 11 and 12 and 11. 3132 01:59:07,760 --> 01:59:11,040 >> Or 10 and 11. Do I have a motion? move. 3133 01:59:11,040 --> 01:59:13,280 >> Council Malovich with the motion. 3134 01:59:13,280 --> 01:59:13,760 >> Second. 3135 01:59:13,760 --> 01:59:15,360 >> Council member Rhoden with the second. 3136 01:59:15,360 --> 01:59:16,480 Council member Malovich. 3137 01:59:16,480 --> 01:59:17,119 >> Yes. 3138 01:59:17,119 --> 01:59:18,239 >> Council member Lunt. 3139 01:59:18,239 --> 01:59:18,639 >> Yes. 3140 01:59:18,639 --> 01:59:19,679 >> Council member Rhoden. 3141 01:59:19,679 --> 01:59:20,320 >> Yes. 3142 01:59:20,320 --> 01:59:23,599 >> Okay. That motion passes. Um I do have 3143 01:59:23,599 --> 01:59:26,400 an update for a legal conversation. Um 3144 01:59:26,400 --> 01:59:28,080 if you are willing to go into close 3145 01:59:28,080 --> 01:59:29,119 session. 3146 01:59:29,119 --> 01:59:29,840 >> Sure. 3147 01:59:29,840 --> 01:59:32,800 >> A motion or I'll second her motion. 3148 01:59:32,800 --> 01:59:34,159 >> Yeah, I'll make a motion. 3149 01:59:34,159 --> 01:59:36,262 >> Council member L with the motion. 3150 01:59:36,262 --> 01:59:36,480 [laughter] 3151 01:59:36,480 --> 01:59:38,480 >> Council member Malich with a second. 3152 01:59:38,480 --> 01:59:40,480 >> I say sure. Council member RH. 3153 01:59:40,480 --> 01:59:40,960 >> Yes. 3154 01:59:40,960 --> 01:59:42,719 >> Council member Alant. 3155 01:59:42,719 --> 01:59:43,119 >> Yes. 3156 01:59:43,119 --> 01:59:44,239 >> Council member Malovich. 3157 01:59:44,239 --> 01:59:44,800 >> Yes. 3158 01:59:44,800 --> 01:59:47,280 >> Okay. We're going to head into uh close 3159 01:59:47,280 --> 01:59:54,870 session. So, 3160 01:59:54,880 --> 01:59:57,360 okay, we are back from uh close session. 3161 01:59:57,360 --> 02:00:00,639 Do I make a motion to adjurnn? 3162 02:00:00,639 --> 02:00:02,320 >> Council member Malovich with the motion 3163 02:00:02,320 --> 02:00:04,880 to adjurnn. Do I have a second? Second. 3164 02:00:04,880 --> 02:00:09,400 >> We are adjourned. Thank you everybody.