[0:03] Okay. Well, we'd like to welcome
[0:05] everybody to our August 25th, 2026 uh
[0:08] city council. Um
[0:11] we will start with our work session. And
[0:13] our first uh item on the agenda is our
[0:16] waste management representative,
[0:18] >> Blake. And you'll have to help me with
[0:20] your last name. Blake.
[0:21] >> Le.
[0:22] >> Lean. Ellie.
[0:23] >> How did I do?
[0:24] >> Yep. Perfect. [snorts]
[0:25] >> Sweet. Wonderful. Okay. Do you want to
[0:26] join us up here?
[0:27] >> Yeah, sounds great. That would be great.
[0:32] >> Uh, mayor, council, Blake Lean Ellie,
[0:35] I've been your government affairs
[0:37] representative for a long time and um,
[0:40] you know, today really wanted to go over
[0:43] some things around recycling, things
[0:45] going on in the marketplace, things
[0:47] we're seeing in Woodland Hills
[0:49] specifically,
[0:51] open it up for questions, and have a
[0:53] really good dialogue. So, that's really
[0:56] for today. It's more of a, you know,
[0:58] conversational item about what we're
[1:00] seeing and some of the areas that we
[1:03] think we may be able to help. Um, again,
[1:06] I want to start off by saying your
[1:09] recycling material right now comes to
[1:11] our uh Salt Lake City MURF. It's one of
[1:14] the most state-of-the-art MURFs in the
[1:15] country. MURF is fancy way of recycling
[1:18] center. Okay, it it is what we have in
[1:22] Salt Lake is amazing. So, AI robots, the
[1:27] whole bit. So, rest assured, what you
[1:29] put in your recycling container is
[1:31] getting processed and recycled. So, I
[1:34] can say that with certainty. Um, what
[1:37] we're seeing in and this is just data
[1:41] that I'm giving you. This is not to make
[1:44] any decisions on or anything, but to
[1:46] have data. We are your hauler and we
[1:49] will do whatever you would like us to
[1:52] do. So when I say this, just know this
[1:54] is not me giving a recommendation. This
[1:56] is just saying, hey, we've seen the
[1:58] weights for your recycling go way down.
[2:01] We've seen a lot of containers that are
[2:03] not um filled, not being utilized as
[2:08] often. Um when we see that, we like to
[2:11] bring that option up of, hey, right now
[2:14] you're doing a weekly recycling. May
[2:16] make sense to cut that back to every
[2:17] other week. We see that trend going on
[2:20] quite a bit. one, there's a cost-saving
[2:23] element, but two, you want to do the
[2:25] right thing and make sure that your, you
[2:27] know, residents are utilizing those
[2:29] containers because you want to, you
[2:31] know, you don't want to have trucks out
[2:33] picking up air is essentially now you're
[2:35] adding good with the bad. So, um, just
[2:39] something that we've seen and noticed
[2:41] within Woodland Hills that, you know,
[2:43] maybe something to address at some point
[2:46] in time to look at, possibly looking at
[2:48] going to every other week or doing more
[2:51] of a campaign where we, you know,
[2:53] heavily push, you know, recycling, what
[2:56] can be done. You talked about Woodland
[2:58] Hills Days. Um, something that maybe we
[3:00] could, you know, promote some recycling
[3:03] efforts and things of that nature.
[3:05] >> We have a booth. a booth. Um, I would
[3:08] love to have a booth. Um, it is very
[3:10] short time frames. Um, so it may be
[3:13] tough to do this year, but I may be able
[3:14] to have somebody out there.
[3:16] >> I think in the past Beth used before she
[3:18] moved on and on and on,
[3:20] >> um, she came to a couple of the Wooden
[3:21] Hill station.
[3:22] >> Yes. And we would love to do that. We
[3:24] think that'd be a great option. Um and
[3:28] you know that's definitely something
[3:29] that we can look at and just different
[3:31] endeavors to to look at around recycling
[3:35] efforts. Any questions around?
[3:37] >> Yeah, I I can say from commentary I I do
[3:39] know that there's a lot of people at
[3:41] least that I know that just assume it's
[3:43] just all ending up in the landfill
[3:44] anyway. Therefore, why spend the extra
[3:46] money for a separate can all that kind
[3:48] of stuff. So, I think some some
[3:50] education would be good for us and as
[3:51] well as our residents.
[3:53] >> Yes,
[3:53] >> I think that would be number one. I do
[3:56] like the idea of maybe uh we'll have to
[3:59] see how the residents feel about it, but
[4:00] maybe an altered schedule to where we we
[4:03] hate to see resources spent by your
[4:06] company as well to come up and just pick
[4:07] up air. I mean, it it exposes your
[4:09] drivers and your machines to unnecessary
[4:11] wear and tear. Not to mention our
[4:12] streets and roads and things like that.
[4:14] >> Especially in the winter time, right?
[4:15] There's
[4:16] >> we have some crazy stuff. Um, the the
[4:19] one thing that I would say if we do end
[4:20] up looking at exploring at a different
[4:22] role or hybrid role, um, I would love it
[4:25] to be seasonal. I mean, obviously the
[4:27] holiday season, Amazon, we'll put a ton
[4:30] of boxes into this community and we'd
[4:31] love to have a nice way to get them
[4:34] effectively removed and properly
[4:36] removed. So, I'm not sure if there's a
[4:38] way that we could maybe do a hybrid
[4:39] schedule or maybe during post holiday
[4:41] they come up more than every other week,
[4:43] but something of that nature, I think,
[4:45] would be we'd be open to. We do it all
[4:47] the time. So yeah, you see it really the
[4:50] November, December, January months doing
[4:52] a hybrid and then you know kind of it's
[4:55] almost like a reverse green lease
[4:56] schedule. You know green leases April to
[4:59] November. You know we look at that
[5:01] that's some that's an area we can
[5:03] explore. Couple things. One, I love that
[5:05] idea. Two, no way am I advocating one
[5:09] way or the other. You know, I I just
[5:12] want you to know what we're seeing and
[5:14] the trends of what we're seeing in the
[5:16] area. The other item that I wanted to
[5:20] mention to you is if there was a
[5:23] possible way to get all of you down,
[5:26] it's very common for councils to come
[5:28] down and tour the facility. That way, I
[5:31] know residents I I hear it all the time.
[5:34] Hey, it's all going to the landfill.
[5:35] None of it gets processed. when you're
[5:37] able to have that shiny toy. You want to
[5:40] show off that shiny toy and some of the
[5:43] things that we're doing, um, you know,
[5:45] we want you to have that same passion
[5:47] and the investment that we're making in
[5:49] your community. We want you to push that
[5:51] back. I can only speak to so many
[5:53] people. And so when a resident does
[5:55] reach out, you can say, "Hey, rest
[5:57] assured. I've been through it. It is
[6:01] amazing. Here's what we saw. I I can say
[6:04] with 100% certainty it is getting
[6:07] processed. Um so something to you know
[6:10] look at. Would love to set up a tour for
[6:12] you to come down and see that. So
[6:14] >> I think that'd be good because a lot of
[6:16] residents do just think you know they
[6:18] hear something on the news or social
[6:20] media
[6:21] >> since we haven't been there. We don't
[6:23] know.
[6:23] >> We hear it all the time. So um any
[6:27] questions around recycling? anything
[6:30] that you know we may be able to provide
[6:33] as far as resources go.
[6:35] >> Well, you had mentioned that there's
[6:36] some variability that as things change
[6:38] um obviously in today's digital world
[6:41] that's the benefit in that you can
[6:43] actually make changes and updates
[6:45] quickly and information that way.
[6:47] Where's the best resource for if we were
[6:51] to put a little bit of a focus on this?
[6:52] Where would be the best resource to see
[6:54] those changes and be able to make those
[6:55] updates and and information to our
[6:58] residents? simple. We have two programs
[7:01] available. So, let me just tell you,
[7:03] they're two of the most state-of-the-art
[7:06] programs in the country. One is our
[7:08] trucks. Um, our trucks can actually
[7:11] notify residents when their containers
[7:14] are contaminated. So, takes a video,
[7:18] shows the image, sends it to the
[7:20] resident, says, "Hey, you know what? If
[7:23] you do this three times, you're no
[7:26] longer going to have recycle." I mean,
[7:28] very simply put, it's very
[7:30] revolutionary. It does all that
[7:32] technology. We can turn that on on the
[7:35] trucks.
[7:36] >> Do you know our contamination rate?
[7:39] >> I do. So, it's And I should have this
[7:43] number in front of me and I was doing my
[7:46] internet stuff out in the parking lot
[7:48] and you do not have the best cell
[7:50] service up here.
[7:52] >> It's really bad in the parking lot.
[7:54] >> Yes. And so
[7:55] >> that's on purpose. But uh last time I
[7:57] looked it was right around 24% but give
[8:01] or take on that.
[8:02] >> So we're basically right there with the
[8:03] transfer station's current rate.
[8:05] >> Yeah. So but with your community um with
[8:11] your community I would expect that to be
[8:14] much much lower. Um, often times when
[8:18] you're in
[8:21] more affluent communities, often times
[8:24] you will see um, participation rates
[8:28] higher and you'll see contamination
[8:30] rates lower. Um, where yours doesn't
[8:33] quite follow that same path. So, um,
[8:36] >> yeah. So, that is something. And I send
[8:39] those reports and forgive me, I've been
[8:41] sending them to the wrong person. Chris
[8:42] has been getting these reports. So, I
[8:45] will make sure to get those reports to
[8:48] the right people. So, you get those on a
[8:50] monthly basis and it's um you're able to
[8:54] track that. Along with that comes social
[8:57] media posts. It tells you the
[9:00] environmental impact of what you do
[9:02] recycle. So, it's good information if
[9:03] you do have social media to post that.
[9:05] >> Does it show us also what's currently,
[9:09] for lack of a better term, selling?
[9:11] Right. Because that's kind of the big
[9:13] thing with the MURF is
[9:15] >> because I'm looking at it from the
[9:17] transfer station, right? As we're being
[9:18] build or we're being we're profitable
[9:21] recycling and it has everything to do
[9:24] with is cardboard currently being
[9:26] purchased by people who are wanting to
[9:29] turn it into new cardboard
[9:30] >> or not. Y
[9:32] >> and so what is the
[9:34] >> there? All commodities right now, your
[9:37] major commodities, the top 10 in the bin
[9:40] that we refer to, your cardboards,
[9:42] aluminums, plastics, papers, it all gets
[9:45] purchased. Okay. But what happens
[9:48] sometimes those commodities become a
[9:51] negative commodity and we are seeing
[9:53] that in some commodities and what that
[9:54] means is it's more expensive to recycle
[9:58] those items than it is to throw them
[10:00] away. When you partner with somebody
[10:02] like,
[10:03] >> you know, Waste Management WM,
[10:06] >> we're putting a guarantee on that that,
[10:08] hey, we are still going to process that.
[10:10] We're not going to take that to the
[10:12] landfill. We're going to find it in
[10:14] markets for you even if it costs us
[10:16] money. So, and we do see that in some of
[10:19] the commodities right now. Um, so that's
[10:22] not really on there, but we do report we
[10:25] do uh give a report to South Utah Valley
[10:29] and they do see what that looks like and
[10:32] um all of their material is coming to us
[10:35] currently and they break that out, you
[10:38] know, whether it's Woodland Hills or,
[10:40] you know, Santa, they break that out.
[10:43] >> And is bags your number one still your
[10:46] number one contaminator? um
[10:49] >> people putting their recyclables in a
[10:51] plastic bag and chucking it into the
[10:53] recycling bin.
[10:54] >> Yeah, that's a huge and I'll tell you an
[10:56] exciting thing going on at WM right now.
[10:59] Um this facility that we have right now
[11:02] actually can process plastic bags which
[11:06] is unheard of because you've always
[11:08] heard of that being tab. So you still
[11:10] can't bag recyclables and that's why
[11:13] it's in a pilot phase. So we rolled this
[11:15] out to ORM, the city of ORM, and we took
[11:19] different routes and looked at that. The
[11:22] challenge we had was this. When people
[11:24] hear plastic bags are recyclable, they
[11:27] think, oh, I can put everything in a
[11:28] plastic bag. And so that education piece
[11:31] has been really difficult trying to
[11:33] relay that that hey, no, you still it
[11:36] needs to be loose. It can't be in a
[11:38] plastic bag because when that comes to
[11:40] the MURF, we don't know what's in it.
[11:42] and the time to break that up and do all
[11:44] that, you know, ends up being
[11:46] problematic. So, um, that is kind of a a
[11:50] difficult thing that we difficult
[11:52] challenge that we have right now.
[11:54] >> Do you have a video or something like a
[11:55] little education
[11:57] >> amazing educational video and I'm so
[11:59] glad you asked.
[12:00] >> I'm just saying if we could get it, we
[12:02] could post it.
[12:03] >> Yes.
[12:04] >> Because you mentioned social media post
[12:06] and other things. So your your team has
[12:07] already put together things that are
[12:10] like the
[12:11] >> best practices or questions that you've
[12:13] answered in every single municipal
[12:15] >> we do
[12:16] >> municipality then we can just piggyback
[12:18] on those and add them to our newsletter
[12:20] or
[12:20] >> and and we have a video actually um
[12:24] Mayor Mendenhal did it when we first
[12:26] opened up the MURF and it's an amazing
[12:28] educational video that we do. We
[12:31] actually use it a lot at the waste
[12:33] management open in Phoenix. So we have
[12:35] that that's something you could provide
[12:37] or if you came out and did a tour, we
[12:39] could do one for you and, you know, have
[12:42] something like that that we could, you
[12:43] know, put together for
[12:45] >> I was going to ask if there if there
[12:46] would be if we did end up going out. I
[12:48] think it would be neat to have our own
[12:51] kind of not not that we put it back on
[12:53] you to do the production, but at least
[12:55] be able to take our own video, put it
[12:56] together, and put that out to the tours
[12:59] to show that we were
[13:00] >> almost
[13:01] >> we didn't just take corporate marketing
[13:02] and just repurpose it for us that we
[13:04] actually did the work.
[13:07] >> 90% of the time somebody comes, a city
[13:09] comes and does a tour. They often do a
[13:11] Facebook live or take some content and
[13:14] put it together. Would love to do that.
[13:16] and we would even, you know, just make
[13:19] sure it's corporate responsible. We'd
[13:20] want to view it, but have a look at it
[13:23] and we can provide some input on that as
[13:25] well.
[13:27] >> Great.
[13:28] >> Um, that's the major stuff I had to to
[13:31] talk to you about today. um you know
[13:34] it's long overdue as far as coming out
[13:38] here and I know there's been quite a few
[13:40] changes so wanted to talk to you make
[13:43] sure to get on your radar of any
[13:44] upcoming events that we can help out
[13:46] with and so glad we got that um you know
[13:50] all solved and then anything else that's
[13:53] upcoming that we may be able to to be
[13:55] part of the community. We are we look at
[13:57] ourselves as part of your community part
[14:00] of your public utility. So if there's a
[14:02] area that we can help with. We want to,
[14:05] you know, be providing those resources.
[14:07] >> You have a card or an email because she
[14:08] told me to email you.
[14:09] >> I do and I'll make sure to get that. I
[14:11] know mayor has it, but I will make I
[14:14] will make sure to get that over to you.
[14:15] >> Okay.
[14:16] >> That' be great to
[14:18] >> Yeah.
[14:18] >> And just to kind of everybody's
[14:21] knowledge here as you guys consider this
[14:23] and think about it, currently a
[14:24] residential can, so this is your
[14:26] standard garbage is $18.50 a month. That
[14:30] additional second can is $15 a month
[14:35] [clears throat] and a recycle can is
[14:37] $24.50 a month. And so going down to and
[14:42] I don't want to put a potential price on
[14:44] that. It would we've talked it'd be
[14:46] close to potentially cutting that in
[14:48] half, which I think would also
[14:50] potentially increase the take rate of
[14:52] people who would actually have recycle.
[14:55] >> We believe it would too. um you know and
[14:58] so there's definitely some conflicts and
[15:01] you know me and Mayor Hillyard have
[15:04] talked about it you know quite a bit and
[15:07] the the challenge is giving a
[15:08] recommendation around recycling it you
[15:11] know we never want to not promote
[15:14] recycling as much as possible but we do
[15:17] want to maximize you know what's going
[15:19] in there and if there's a way to do it
[15:21] more cost effectively um and we think we
[15:24] could drive participation then that's
[15:26] something definitely we'd want to you
[15:28] endeavor we'd want to look at.
[15:31] >> Yeah, that's a great point.
[15:34] >> Well, any other questions for Blake?
[15:36] >> No, just give us some I guess do you
[15:39] need dates from us or do we wait to get
[15:42] dates from you for a tour?
[15:43] >> You tell me. What if you can
[15:45] collaboratively come up with a date?
[15:48] Please let me know and we'll work around
[15:50] your schedule. Give me a couple dates
[15:52] and we'd love to set that up. So I I
[15:55] think it would be highly beneficial. I I
[15:58] do. Um and it it's I think it would
[16:02] drive participation within the community
[16:03] as well. So
[16:04] >> and I hate to sound dumb, but where is
[16:06] your facility located?
[16:08] >> So it's out near the airport. It's off
[16:10] California. Uh right off uh I 215 in
[16:13] California.
[16:14] >> So right before our city trip.
[16:16] >> Oh, just kidding. [laughter]
[16:18] >> We don't go on any city trips.
[16:20] >> Well, and it's just known. It's a
[16:23] beautiful amazing cabin.
[16:26] >> I always laugh because council members
[16:28] will come out and they're all, you know,
[16:30] dressed nice and everything. I'm like,
[16:32] well, it's still trash, you know? I
[16:34] mean, it's cleaner trash, but it's still
[16:36] trash. And um, you know, all that good
[16:38] stuff. But yeah, if you gave me a couple
[16:40] dates, we'll back into those and figure
[16:42] out a time that would work for you.
[16:45] >> All right,
[16:45] >> Blake. Thank you very much.
[16:47] >> Thank you. Very nice meeting all of you.
[16:48] >> You, too. Take care.
[16:50] >> Yeah. Let your wife know you're out of
[16:51] here by 15. Pretty good.
[16:53] >> Thank you.
[16:54] >> It's a rarity. [laughter]
[16:56] >> Have a great day.
[16:57] >> Thank you.
[16:58] >> Okay, then we'll move to face number
[17:00] two. Phase two, waterline presentation.
[17:03] So, Ted, you might as well come up here
[17:04] and get comfortable.
[17:16] » Uh, I can get it from the just on the
[17:18] calendar here. I'll click on it from
[17:21] here and then
[17:44] Okay. So, um
[17:58] Yeah, we don't want to look at that
[18:00] closeup of that mug.
[18:05] [clears throat]
[18:08] [laughter]
[18:15] » I kind of miss her.
[18:19] The agenda wasn't very exciting tonight,
[18:21] I guess.
[18:27] » Well, this is this was for Brian this
[18:30] one. So,
[18:31] >> they're all waiting for Dudson. That's
[18:33] why they're just waiting.
[18:36] >> Thanks, Jody.
[18:43] » All right. So, uh we're gonna talk a
[18:46] little bit about tonight. So, this came
[18:48] up last week and uh or last sorry
[18:52] council meeting
[18:54] and there was a little bit of discussion
[18:55] about the watering project. Is that what
[18:57] was first on the agenda?
[18:58] >> Yep.
[19:00] >> And you're going to send us the slides.
[19:02] >> I'll send it out.
[19:03] >> Okay. Thanks.
[19:04] >> Um
[19:07] so, we start talking about the waterline
[19:09] project. Um phase two, we'll talk a
[19:11] little bit about just kind of as a
[19:12] reminder. Phase two is to replace
[19:15] approximately 15,000 linear feet of
[19:18] water line.
[19:20] Um these water lines have reached or
[19:22] exceeded a 50-year life getting really
[19:25] close. Um these are mostly ductal iron
[19:28] pipe, 6 inch ductal iron pipe. Ductal
[19:31] iron normally when installed correctly
[19:34] has about a 50-year life. These were not
[19:36] installed, you know, back these were
[19:38] installed back in the 70s, so not
[19:39] entirely correctly. Was this you were
[19:42] talking about some of the rocks and
[19:44] >> some of the rocks
[19:44] >> rubbing and all that
[19:45] >> corrosion. Corrosion is really what got
[19:48] a couple of them. Couple breaks we had
[19:49] over there.
[19:50] >> The pipe had corroded and then it sat on
[19:53] some rocks and that's what happens to
[19:55] ductal iron. Ductal iron when you when
[19:57] we put it in today, we put nice bedding
[20:00] around it. We'll even wrap it in a
[20:02] polyethylene sack we call it to protect
[20:04] it from corrosion and put some nice
[20:06] bedding around it. Back then they just
[20:07] put it in the ground and bury it with
[20:08] whatever dirt was there. And so the
[20:10] pipe's corroding um it it's reached its
[20:13] life and and that would be if it's in
[20:15] good material. So we're we're a good way
[20:17] to put is we're on bark time right now.
[20:20] Um
[20:22] so along with that too the project is
[20:25] also to resurface the roads. We'll talk
[20:28] about which ones they are here in a
[20:29] minute. Um, so the benefits of the
[20:31] project obviously improves water
[20:33] quality, reduces the break uh emergency
[20:35] breakdowns, improves system reliability,
[20:38] better control with the newer PRVs
[20:40] because those PRV vaults we were in a
[20:42] few little while ago and one of out and
[20:44] you literally they're on your knees
[20:45] crawling into it. Um, the one the newer
[20:47] ones we put in you can stand up in and
[20:49] work things and valves. These ones are
[20:50] like you're tucking your head and on
[20:51] your knees like this trying to work in
[20:53] there. Um, they're maybe three feet tall
[20:56] in there.
[20:58] uh improves flow and then we get new
[21:00] surface roads. So normally with these
[21:02] projects um you start off identifying
[21:04] the scope of the project. This is kind
[21:06] of the planning phase. Um once you kind
[21:09] of identify what you need, you plan the
[21:10] project. Then you establish how you're
[21:12] going to fund the project. Um depending
[21:14] on how you fund it. If it's self-funded,
[21:16] that timeline is um reduced a lot. But
[21:20] with us having to seek funding, you
[21:22] know, it can be a six to 12 month
[21:23] process to go through funding agencies.
[21:25] Then you got to design the project
[21:27] usually six month process and then
[21:28] construct it. Probably six to eight
[21:30] months to construct it. So you can see
[21:32] we're probably at least still a year or
[21:33] so to be able to do this project. But
[21:35] the first step is to figure out how to
[21:37] that we're at well step we're at now is
[21:39] figure out how to fund it. We know what
[21:40] needs to be done. We've identified the
[21:42] scope. We've cost it. We planned it. Now
[21:44] we got to figure out how to fund it. So
[21:46] to do that
[21:48] we have to look at costs the project and
[21:51] the costs. So I broke this into two
[21:54] because as we look at the funding
[21:55] options broke this into two phases. Uh
[21:59] it's called phase 2 one phase 2 two. So
[22:02] phase one of the water line we completed
[22:05] about five years ago 2020 2021 and that
[22:09] was about four miles of water line three
[22:11] and a half four miles of water line. Uh
[22:13] it was about a $4 million project at
[22:15] that time. Um this um would be phase two
[22:20] and then I broke it into two phases as
[22:22] we look at the funding options and
[22:24] basically just split it. So phase the
[22:26] first phase called through one would be
[22:28] Melbell, East Lake View and East Valley.
[22:31] So basically everything mountain bell
[22:32] and down um and then phase two is
[22:35] schoolhouse highline sky lake homestead
[22:37] and then part of settlement. um
[22:39] primarily schoolhouse, highline, sky
[22:41] lake all around city building here and
[22:42] then you got a little bit of homestead
[22:44] and settle was put [clears throat] in
[22:46] prior to the develop thousand oak to
[22:50] some of the other and they almost split
[22:52] evenly in costs. So about 3.75 is phase
[22:56] 2 one and 2.7 is phase two two.
[23:02] So then we look at how do we build
[23:04] these? How do we fund these projects? So
[23:06] I went through and I looked at different
[23:08] kind of options for funding. Now um back
[23:11] at the first of the year we applied for
[23:14] a grant with Owen's office office a
[23:17] federal earmark. Uh the conversation the
[23:19] last conversation I had with them is
[23:20] that money has been moved on to
[23:23] Congress. It has passed through
[23:25] committee at the federal congressional
[23:27] level but it hasn't got congressional
[23:30] approval. and he said that could be
[23:32] sometime,
[23:34] you know, it may take up to the end of
[23:35] the year to get that. Um, they don't
[23:37] know when it's going to happen. Uh,
[23:39] they've only approved one bill so far. I
[23:43] think this is bill number three or
[23:44] something like that. He said there are I
[23:46] don't remember how many hundreds of
[23:48] projects on on this bill. Um, I think
[23:51] when I kind of look through the bill, we
[23:53] were Burgess Owens had four of them that
[23:56] got moved on through committee to for
[23:58] congressional approval. So, we were one
[24:00] of four.
[24:01] Is that for the full amount?
[24:03] >> No. So, we so we actually got less than
[24:06] what we requested. Uh the federal grant
[24:08] that they have moved on is 850,000.
[24:11] >> We had started out requesting 4.7
[24:13] million and they said
[24:15] >> no chance.
[24:15] >> You can apply for up to 5 million.
[24:18] >> Uh we applied for 4.7. They they called
[24:20] back and they said, "Yeah, there's five
[24:21] million. We're not going to even pass
[24:23] Utah." Um
[24:25] so then we applied for like two and a
[24:28] half million and that's the that went
[24:30] in. Uh his office called back and said,
[24:33] "What are some other options you would
[24:35] have for lesser funding?" So, I sent him
[24:37] three options, the least of which was a
[24:39] million dollars with us doing a half a
[24:41] million dollar grant out of our capital
[24:43] monies we have for water replacement. Um
[24:46] and then ultimately got moved on from
[24:48] the committee, the congressional the
[24:50] national committee at 850,000.
[24:53] That would be a federal grant. And then
[24:54] we offered to match uh up to a half
[24:56] million out of our capital funds for
[24:59] water replacement.
[25:01] So if you look at So then what I looked
[25:04] at is how would we fund this project? So
[25:07] funding terms right now generally you
[25:10] can get up to 30-year uh funding option
[25:13] through the state division of drinking
[25:16] water water um revolving
[25:20] loans
[25:22] and their interest is varies 3% interest
[25:26] now I assume that this would be no grant
[25:29] money
[25:32] um from the state now likely we will get
[25:35] some grant money, but for kind of worst
[25:38] case, I just assume because we don't
[25:39] know that till we spend an application.
[25:41] I did look at uh well, we'll talk about
[25:43] here in a second. So, our average water
[25:45] bill uh in our city in 2025 was $127 a
[25:49] month um approximately. So,
[25:53] the state, they do what they call an
[25:55] affordable water bill calculation when
[25:58] they determine if you're eligible for
[25:59] grant money. Um for our city, the
[26:02] affordable water bill is around 100.
[26:04] It's based on your median adjusted gross
[26:06] income um for our city and based on that
[26:10] our they say our affordable water bill
[26:12] is around $132 a month. So we're
[26:15] slightly under what they say we our
[26:17] water bill is now when you now that
[26:19] that's without any additional loans or
[26:22] funding debt if you will. Um, so once
[26:26] you start applying for the grants, what
[26:28] they do is they try and give you grant
[26:30] money, 0% interest money to keep you
[26:33] somewhere around that affordable water
[26:35] bill. So it was likely we'd get some
[26:36] grant because once we take if we take on
[26:38] debt, our water bill is going to have to
[26:39] go up and then they'll try and give us
[26:42] grant money to keep it as low as they
[26:44] can near that 132ish.
[26:47] Now, well, let me set back. That's their
[26:50] goal. It all depends on how much money
[26:52] they have available to grant and likely
[26:55] they're not going to have enough
[26:56] available uh in there because it comes
[26:58] from their state money not federal their
[27:00] grant money. So we probably won't we'll
[27:03] probably get some grant but I don't know
[27:05] how much right now. So when you look at
[27:08] the available city funds the federal
[27:10] grant then I looked at just three
[27:12] funding options. One is if we were to
[27:14] fund the total project.
[27:17] Two, if we were to do one of the two
[27:19] phases, and they're both similar, so
[27:21] it's about the same for either one. And
[27:24] three, if we did all the project except
[27:26] for homestead and settlement, which is
[27:27] probably the later pipelines that were
[27:29] put in um if we left those out for now.
[27:34] And then I looked at uh those three
[27:36] options with two different scenarios.
[27:38] One would be uh with the 850k if we get
[27:42] that. One would be without it if we
[27:44] don't get that.
[27:46] >> That's what that is. Okay.
[27:47] >> Yeah.
[27:47] >> I was staring at it trying to decipher
[27:49] what all that
[27:50] >> what that meant.
[27:51] >> Yeah. So like uh 1 W850k. That's option
[27:56] one with the 850,000 from the federal
[27:58] government.
[27:59] >> Okay.
[27:59] >> Because that means what that basically
[28:01] means is now we're borrowing less from
[28:03] the from the state revolving funds.
[28:05] >> Yeah. Right. So, if we uh contributed
[28:10] our available funds of a half million
[28:11] and we got the federal grant money, that
[28:13] brings the number down by 1.35 million.
[28:15] So, it' be 4.1 million is what we'd have
[28:17] to loan. Um, and then if you look at a
[28:19] 30-year loan with 3% interest, basically
[28:22] the water rate goes up by about $30 a
[28:24] little over $30. It's what we'd have to
[28:26] increase the monthly rate to.
[28:29] And then you can see just going down the
[28:31] table, if we didn't get the 850k and had
[28:33] that same scenario, we'd have to
[28:35] increase it by $36.50.
[28:38] Now, once again, it's considering no
[28:39] grant money from the state.
[28:42] Option two, if we did half of the
[28:44] project, then we would with the 850k,
[28:47] we'd have to loan about 1.4 million
[28:49] state revolving funds. It'd raise our
[28:51] annual water our monthly water rate by
[28:53] about $10.
[28:54] >> But that's only to do half of it.
[28:56] >> It's only to do half the project. If we
[28:58] don't get the $850,000, then it raises
[29:00] it $16.50 is what we have to raise it do
[29:04] have project.
[29:06] And then the third option to do all of
[29:08] the project except for homestead and
[29:10] settlement. You can see what the numbers
[29:11] are there with and without the 850k
[29:13] would be $25 a month and $31 a month is
[29:16] what we'd have to pay. You can see uh
[29:19] all those scenarios take us over our
[29:21] affordable water bill. So what would
[29:24] happen is likely we would get some grant
[29:26] money with this um at least the state
[29:29] would try to get us grant money if they
[29:31] have that grant money available.
[29:32] >> So is the idea though Chad is that we
[29:33] would have to execute this plan and then
[29:35] once this is in effect then you hope
[29:37] they have the grant money.
[29:38] >> So what you do is you submit an
[29:40] application and I work with the state
[29:41] quite a bit on these. I've done it for
[29:42] years uh with with the division of
[29:45] drinking water. Um what you do is you
[29:48] fill out their application, you put in
[29:49] your request and then you start working
[29:52] one of their funding staff members and
[29:55] they will then make recommendations on
[29:57] how much to um
[30:01] give for grant money and that's based on
[30:04] what they have available and what they
[30:06] do to try and keep you around that
[30:07] affordable water bill criteria. Um so
[30:10] there's kind of a play back and forth
[30:12] but until you submit your application
[30:14] you just don't you don't know and start
[30:17] working with them. I did put a phone
[30:18] call into her the other day, uh, one
[30:20] that I worked with the law to see if she
[30:22] had a phone call back yet just to see
[30:23] where they're at,
[30:25] um, with what kind of grant monies they
[30:27] have available. Back about five, six
[30:29] months ago, they didn't have a whole lot
[30:30] available. I mean, we're talking maybe a
[30:32] couple hundred thousand. So, they be
[30:34] able to get
[30:36] How does that change? How does that
[30:37] fluctuate with the state? Is it um I
[30:40] mean I don't know if drought conditions
[30:41] have anything to do with it or like for
[30:43] example if we had a good water year can
[30:46] we reapply every year we get 100 grand
[30:49] this year could we reapply again to get
[30:50] that down to our water rate over the
[30:53] course of time or is it a one-time
[30:56] application with them?
[30:57] >> No you can apply but you have to the
[31:00] biggest thing with the state is you have
[31:01] to demonstrate that you have the means
[31:03] to repay the debt. So, and the only way
[31:07] since our water fund is an enterprise
[31:09] fund, water has to pay for water. So,
[31:12] the only way we can pay for this debt is
[31:14] through our water, what we collect
[31:16] residents.
[31:17] >> That's why water rates go low.
[31:18] >> Yeah.
[31:19] >> That's why then they get concerned.
[31:21] >> Each time you request money, you have to
[31:23] demonstrate to the state that you can
[31:24] pay back that loan. And you do that
[31:26] through showing them through your what
[31:28] you collect in your water revenues will
[31:31] satisfy the debt.
[31:33] So when you look at this, I was doing a
[31:34] water rate analysis. I take all of our
[31:37] annual costs for our water system and
[31:40] then I tack onto that what a loan
[31:42] payment would be if we were to take out
[31:43] this much money over 30 years. And then
[31:46] I go through and I calculate all of our
[31:48] revenue we get and then we we um then
[31:52] just start playing with the water base
[31:54] to see what it would take to satisfy
[31:55] that additional loan payment in our
[31:57] debts for the annual. That's where these
[31:59] numbers come from. Um, so you can
[32:03] reapply as much as you want, just each
[32:04] time you have to raise your water rate.
[32:06] Their recommendation is you try to do as
[32:07] much as you can uh at one time so you're
[32:10] not raising your water rate every six,
[32:13] you know, six months or whatever.
[32:20] So the real question, Ted, then is we
[32:22] have two monsters out there, phase 2
[32:24] one, phase 2 two. Both of them are, as
[32:28] you said, way past due. Yeah,
[32:31] >> they're the original water lines.
[32:32] >> They're the original ones. Um, one of my
[32:35] questions would be then based on
[32:38] geographic nature, pressures of
[32:40] downhill, all that kind of gravity
[32:42] stuff. Um, if you had to choose one or
[32:45] the other, do you have a gut feeling
[32:46] which one?
[32:47] >> Yeah, I would probably start to one
[32:49] >> because it would be probably the older
[32:51] water lines because the city kind of
[32:53] started down Maple Works. We have the
[32:56] and the more recent breaks we've had
[32:58] have been right down in that area
[33:01] >> some cases. So, I'd probably start there
[33:03] on 21,
[33:05] which would be if we raised it by $10
[33:07] and got the 850k, we could get that one
[33:09] done. Um, if we raise it, 1650.
[33:17] Now, one thing you could do is you could
[33:19] also go backwards. You can say, "Okay,
[33:21] we feel like ultimately this comes down
[33:22] to what you feel comfortable doing." You
[33:24] know, not raising them or how much do we
[33:26] raise them and you can say okay we feel
[33:29] like we can squeeze $20 a month. Then
[33:31] you can go backwards and say okay how
[33:33] much project you get done
[33:37] » both the flat fee rate and the usage or
[33:40] just the flat fee rate
[33:42] >> combination of the two.
[33:44] >> Yeah. So I look kind of at both. Now
[33:46] when I look at these numbers I'm just
[33:48] adjusting the flat fee just because it's
[33:50] simple chart but you can look at
[33:53] adjusting either way. So you can raise
[33:54] your tiered rates by a quarter or 50
[33:58] cents per thousand. Um, when I was
[34:00] messing around with this to start with,
[34:02] I was actually doing that. I would raise
[34:04] our our base rate by 10 bucks and then I
[34:07] would start raising the tiered rates by
[34:11] 25 cents, 50 cents for each tier,
[34:14] whatever.
[34:16] And to see what we get for coverage um
[34:19] in the end, it doesn't change what the
[34:21] >> It doesn't.
[34:25] » Yeah. So I included it was just a
[34:27] straight cost for them.
[34:30] >> In phase one, we we raised a little.
[34:32] What did we What did we raise of them?
[34:34] The water raise.
[34:36] >> It was $28. That's what I thought. So
[34:38] relatively speaking, this isn't out of
[34:41] comparison with the last water project
[34:44] we did.
[34:46] It's just, you know, some people it's
[34:49] everything's expensive right now and it
[34:51] is hard for some people.
[34:53] >> Those water lines keep breaking. It's a
[34:56] big deal.
[34:56] >> I mean, it's a balance and I get it. I
[34:58] mean, when I've done tons of these
[34:59] presentations,
[35:01] >> uh, the worst one I ever did, we had to
[35:02] raise one rate from like $30 a month to
[35:05] 150 in one shop.
[35:06] >> Um, because they had to replace our
[35:08] water system. the uh I've done lots of
[35:12] these over the years and you find there
[35:13] are kind of three groups of people.
[35:15] There's there's the group of people who
[35:18] you know they're on fixed incomes, every
[35:20] dollar counts and and those you know you
[35:23] feel bad because you hate raising rates
[35:25] because you know this is going to impact
[35:26] them. But on the flip side you also want
[35:28] to keep reliable water for the
[35:31] residents. You know then there's a group
[35:33] who usually are okay. Yeah, sure. We'd
[35:35] rather have reliable system go ahead
[35:36] raise it a month. No problem. A little
[35:40] more disposable income there. Um then
[35:43] you got those some who just don't like
[35:44] you to raise rates just because you're
[35:46] taxing.
[35:47] >> Yeah, absolutely.
[35:48] >> Um so those are usually the three groups
[35:52] and and I don't know how you make the
[35:54] right call, but
[35:55] >> I wanted to throw this out there because
[35:57] you can see we're probably still at
[35:58] least a year or so away even get to a
[36:00] project,
[36:01] >> but we really need to start the process
[36:03] fairly soon if we want to try and get
[36:06] these water lines replaced. I think too,
[36:08] I mean, our our primary role is health,
[36:11] safety, and welfare of our citizens and
[36:14] clean water is is probably top. Um, fire
[36:18] safety and and road safety, including
[36:20] snow plowing is is they're all right up
[36:22] there, but um I think that it's it's a
[36:26] serious consideration
[36:28] >> and the water lines are
[36:29] >> for fire, too.
[36:30] >> Most important part of fire protection,
[36:32] right?
[36:33] >> Yeah. So, so we have multiple
[36:36] reasons why and and um I know in the
[36:40] past people say well why are we doing
[36:42] this if we need to raise water but again
[36:44] it's it's state law that water has to
[36:47] pay for water and which means that rates
[36:50] are the only thing really other than the
[36:52] grants that we can get which are limited
[36:55] all across the board obviously because
[36:57] the state is limited federal we're just
[36:59] lucky to get up to number four. Yeah,
[37:02] >> that's that's a rarity. Um,
[37:05] >> yeah, we were uh
[37:06] >> so
[37:08] >> blessed to get through that one that
[37:11] >> he started out on 20 and I think more
[37:13] made it through the committee
[37:15] >> back at the national. So in my mind, I
[37:18] think that most people if if we can make
[37:22] sure to present all of this at, you
[37:24] know, the town hall meeting that we'll
[37:26] probably have.
[37:28] >> Yeah.
[37:29] >> But if we have a town hall meeting first
[37:31] and then the public hearing, it's better
[37:33] because you've you've had a chance to
[37:36] explain yourself, get all the questions
[37:38] answered before you have to take a vote.
[37:40] >> Well, and here's why I wanted to start
[37:42] presenting this at this time. um because
[37:46] before we can really know what kind of
[37:50] um actual funding now these are all once
[37:54] again approximate all subject to change
[37:57] depending on what's available I try to
[37:59] keep updated with my costs I mean these
[38:01] cost estimates have been prepared for
[38:03] three or four years and I just keep
[38:04] updating them um but they're always
[38:07] subject to change based on costs and all
[38:09] that kind of stuff but this kind of
[38:11] gives you an idea of what we're looking
[38:12] at Um, the first step is to submit an
[38:15] application, but to submit an
[38:16] application, I have to know how much to
[38:18] fund. And that's kind of what I was
[38:20] looking for direction is what do we want
[38:23] to fund? You can see how it impacts the
[38:26] rates. And I put that there so you have
[38:28] an idea. Okay, do we really want to try
[38:30] and fund the whole thing knowing we
[38:31] could go up as high as 30 bucks a month
[38:34] for residents or do we want to look at
[38:36] funding half of it now and raise it 10
[38:38] to $20 or you know look at $25 or $30
[38:43] and go up to all of it but those are
[38:45] there. So want to kind of get some
[38:48] direction from the council on what you
[38:50] think uh we should start pursuing as far
[38:52] as funding because I have to submit a
[38:54] cost.
[38:54] >> I like one or three.
[38:57] >> Yeah. Um, I I worry just a little bit
[39:00] about having two ticking time bombs,
[39:02] choosing one, and then just knowing that
[39:04] we still have the same there. Um, I
[39:08] would like to consider what it would
[39:10] take to do
[39:12] the full kit. Um,
[39:16] but I I do think
[39:22] so one is total project which includes
[39:24] homestead and settlement. Is there a
[39:26] version that is the total project it's
[39:29] but without home and settlement?
[39:31] >> So you have these
[39:32] >> number three
[39:33] >> three is that all but home
[39:35] >> all but okay so um
[39:38] >> what to them they you have to do we have
[39:41] to look at those
[39:43] >> yeah do those or so
[39:45] >> they you feel there's a lot more life in
[39:48] those potentially than
[39:49] >> well they're of the ones that are
[39:51] remaining to be replaced I believe
[39:53] they're 6 in the smaller
[39:56] But those would be some of the last ones
[39:58] that were put in. Uh we haven't had any
[40:01] issues since I've been here with those
[40:03] lines. Um so you might could stretch
[40:06] those out another five years and then do
[40:07] a
[40:08] >> and those two roads were on the pavement
[40:10] management plan. So we have done some
[40:13] maintenance to those roads within the
[40:15] last three years
[40:18] versus the other roads here talking have
[40:22] not been touched at all due to this
[40:24] project.
[40:26] Yeah, you could say if you say, "Okay,
[40:27] we think we could maybe let's shoot for
[40:30] uh we think we ought to shoot for one or
[40:33] three, you know, knowing the rate could
[40:35] be around a $30 a month increase. We
[40:37] could go for that." Now, you don't
[40:39] always have to accept the loan and you
[40:40] don't I could we can get so far down the
[40:42] road and say, "Wow, this is getting a
[40:44] little steep."
[40:45] >> And I mean, it's not great. Then you
[40:47] kind of start back over again.
[40:49] >> But the difference between the two is
[40:50] like five.
[40:52] >> I know. between one and three.
[40:55] >> Yeah. So, my question is
[40:57] >> not that much.
[40:58] >> I mean, is it a gamble to not do
[41:01] homestead and settlement? I I know you
[41:03] say they're newer, but what if we what
[41:06] if we do three and then all of a sudden
[41:08] we start having all kinds of problems? I
[41:10] I'm just saying the difference is five
[41:12] bucks versus I'm not saying don't I'm
[41:15] not saying do it if we don't need it,
[41:17] but
[41:18] the difference is so small.
[41:21] How much would it cost then later if we
[41:24] have to go back and do those two? Like
[41:26] what? Do you see what I'm saying?
[41:27] >> Yeah. Well, there's always two things
[41:28] that inflate.
[41:29] >> It's gonna be cheaper maybe to do it all
[41:30] at once
[41:31] >> because costs never go down.
[41:33] >> Yeah.
[41:34] >> Those projects get more just get more
[41:35] expensive the longer you do.
[41:37] >> And secondly, I always tell people it's
[41:40] about $1,500 a foot to repair a water
[41:42] line and about $100 a foot to replace
[41:45] when you do big projects. Um, so you're you know, obviously it's a big
[41:50] project, but when we have repair a water
[41:52] line, you know, it's by the time you you
[41:55] dig it up and do all the repair and all
[41:56] that kind of stuff, you're $59 a foot.
[41:59] So that does bring up a question like
[42:00] that then is let's suppose that we do
[42:02] have
[42:03] something that requires a repair that's
[42:05] significant as we're waiting for funding
[42:08] and and getting this going that five
[42:11] that comes out of the $500,000 available
[42:14] city funds or where does that come? I'm
[42:16] just worried about if that 500,000 gets
[42:18] absorbed somewhere else in the project
[42:20] before we fund.
[42:21] >> No. And that was what a commitment we
[42:24] made that we have in some capital monies
[42:28] that um can go towards the project. We
[42:30] have separate budget for our water
[42:32] maintenance.
[42:32] >> Okay. All right. Water maintenance
[42:33] budget. Annual water maintenance budget.
[42:38] So, yeah, what I want to do is just um
[42:44] get some direction on how to approach
[42:46] this to submit an application so I can
[42:48] start working with the state figuring
[42:50] out. But to do this, I got to submit
[42:52] them a project and submit a project.
[42:55] What project we want to submit? We want
[42:56] to submit whole thing. do option two,
[42:58] option three, whatever because I got to
[43:00] turn in a project to them and it cost
[43:03] and then we'll go through the funding
[43:04] knowing that you know we can probably
[43:06] get some grant money will help us out a
[43:08] little bit but I just kind of put what I
[43:11] hopefully would be kind of worst case
[43:12] here like no we don't have any grant
[43:13] money available you're going to take a
[43:15] loan and then sometimes they also give
[43:17] 0% interest loan which then brings down
[43:19] the rates a little bit the last project
[43:21] we did we got 3.7 million I believe it
[43:24] was I think 300,000 was in grand and the
[43:27] rest was in 0% interest.
[43:30] >> Yeah, those those little interest.
[43:34] >> So, you're looking from the council kind
[43:37] of a
[43:39] >> suggestion. I want to see what you felt
[43:42] we should or just a suggestion um on
[43:45] what to start pursuing at some point
[43:47] when we when we get to where we want to
[43:49] pull the trigger on a project and get
[43:50] the funding. Then we'll have to go
[43:52] through the whole public hearing, water
[43:53] increase, all that kind of stuff. But uh to submit an application,
[43:59] >> you got to have this.
[44:00] >> So in knowing his approach,
[44:03] >> so I knew council member Hutchkins was
[44:04] not going to be able to join us today.
[44:06] Um Council Member John's had an
[44:09] emergency that pulled him away from
[44:10] tonight. I had Council Member Hutchkins
[44:13] meet with you. Are you able to share
[44:15] kind of his thoughts as you went through
[44:17] this with him?
[44:18] Yeah, he was kind of of the I mean
[44:20] obviously sympathetic with the with the
[44:23] increase in rates and stuff like that,
[44:24] but he was kind of at the same thought
[44:27] process that either from what I
[44:29] understand I don't want to put words in
[44:30] now, but we probably one and three where
[44:33] we get as much done as we can um you
[44:36] know to till till we reach that breaking
[44:38] point where people just say no I can't
[44:39] afford that much a month or something
[44:40] like that. So he was kind of like we
[44:43] really he's he's more concerned about
[44:46] you know we have these major water line
[44:48] breaks consistently and now we're
[44:50] spending all this money trying to fix
[44:51] brakes
[44:52] >> and we need to be ready for fire as you
[44:54] pointed out. And so the water rate from
[44:57] one and three if we get the grant is
[45:01] only not even $5450
[45:04] or
[45:05] >> yeah five bucksish
[45:06] >> five bucks and different in the water
[45:08] rate and then the monthly increase then
[45:10] is $5. It's not that much.
[45:14] >> I guess I'm just trying to weigh raise
[45:16] the rates versus paying more later for
[45:19] two streets if when the time you know
[45:22] what I'm saying
[45:22] >> because the whole city has to pay which
[45:24] one's better. No matter where we do the
[45:26] projects,
[45:28] >> pay a little bit more now or pay
[45:30] >> well pay play pay a lot less here
[45:32] because $5 isn't that much where if it's
[45:35] a whole new project it may be higher,
[45:38] right?
[45:39] >> Well, it would be higher because the
[45:40] project would be a much smaller project
[45:43] and thus they cost
[45:45] >> more. Uhuh. Because you'd be bringing
[45:47] all that equipment back up here and for
[45:49] a whole new project
[45:51] or engineering all the things
[45:53] >> kind of going towards one
[45:55] Just a thought.
[45:57] >> Yeah. I mean I
[45:58] >> Jody's making a face though. Are you
[46:00] going to get the brunt when the rates go
[46:01] up?
[46:02] >> That's how I see. I'm a catch22 for me
[46:04] because I really know we need these
[46:05] water projects done because
[46:08] usually me and mayor and Toby out there
[46:10] at 3 in the morning these things happen,
[46:11] you know, trying to get these things
[46:12] repaired and people all that stuff. On
[46:15] the other hand, then I I call my wife
[46:17] says, "Oh,
[46:19] you know,
[46:21] >> well, people who don't haven't lived on
[46:23] a street that's been
[46:25] in the toilet for a really long time
[46:28] with a lot of water breaks don't
[46:29] understand
[46:31] when you find you just wake up and the
[46:33] water's off and it's not going to be on
[46:35] for the whole day." And that that can be
[46:38] a real disruption to people's lives. And
[46:40] so um in a lot of different ways and the
[46:44] same again if we add in that fire
[46:46] component um I think that we don't want
[46:50] to put ourselves or our city at risk.
[46:54] We we say that we'll have clean and
[46:57] healthy water and we test it multiple
[46:59] times a week and uh to maintain that
[47:03] part of it. So why not have a delivery
[47:05] system that also I mean how much do we don't even know how much we lose
[47:10] because the holes are there and it's
[47:12] just seeping back into the ground. We
[47:14] don't even know how much
[47:16] >> there's a grant out there for
[47:19] communities and leakage.
[47:22] >> Yeah, you can do um leak detection.
[47:26] >> Yeah, leak detection stuff like that. Um
[47:30] generally our challenge so I I'll give
[47:32] you one kind of the challenges that we
[47:34] have. Um
[47:37] so every year I have to report how much water that we produce out of
[47:43] our well and how much we end up billing
[47:45] people for the difference they say is
[47:47] your water loss. Anything over a certain
[47:50] percentage they consider pretty high
[47:51] water loss and you've got some issues
[47:53] with your system you got to fix. Ours is
[47:55] never really that high. Now I don't
[47:57] believe it's because well
[48:00] I'm not certain that it's because of the
[48:03] actual loss numbers. Um until just this
[48:07] last year when we upgraded our well I
[48:10] don't think we were getting the correct
[48:12] meter readings. Um and so I think that
[48:14] was the issue we were having. So in a
[48:17] few years we'll probably have some
[48:18] better data but right now it shows that
[48:21] we've got a loss that's well under the
[48:23] average challenge until we can get
[48:26] something different. I do want to make
[48:29] one thing clear just for the record's
[48:31] sake. Um you know
[48:35] there are three of us you know council
[48:38] member Malovich, Council Member
[48:40] Hutchings and then myself who do live on
[48:43] these roads. It's true. I didn't think
[48:46] about that.
[48:47] >> Not really. I think affecting a decision
[48:50] here, but I do want that.
[48:52] >> No,
[48:52] >> I don't live on any of those. I mean,
[48:55] >> Jod's was done or sorry, Janet, yours
[48:57] was done about five years ago.
[48:58] >> Yeah, I know.
[49:00] >> So, the everyone benefits at some point
[49:03] from these water. The water system is
[49:05] what they call loop system. It's all
[49:06] interconnected.
[49:08] >> So, it it can impact we can have water
[49:10] break in one part of the city and it'll
[49:12] throw some, you know, some We have to
[49:14] shut down multiple streets to get it
[49:17] fixed or it can throw off some pressures
[49:18] in another part of the city. Um and at
[49:22] some point everybody has to have the
[49:23] water lines in front of their house
[49:24] replaced. So it's a community water
[49:26] system. That's why the community base
[49:29] individual street.
[49:30] >> So in this situation if we say hey go
[49:33] for or they say go for number one option
[49:37] number one it's the largest right? Um,
[49:42] if we end up saying, okay, we got the
[49:45] 850 from the federal government and
[49:48] we're able to find some others or we
[49:51] decide to pair it down.
[49:53] Are you able to pair it down uh in
[49:56] through the application process versus
[49:58] say we tell you to go say number two,
[50:02] you really can't pair it up.
[50:04] So, two things when you go before the
[50:06] board. Uh, one is when you go to the
[50:10] board,
[50:12] between now and the time you go to the
[50:14] board, we can pair it up or band. Uh, I
[50:16] can adjust the application. It's usually
[50:18] working with the state um, who I'll work
[50:20] with to get through this process. And
[50:22] that's when we'll find out if we'll have
[50:23] some rent eligibility or 0% interest,
[50:26] which will bring these numbers down,
[50:27] right, if that happens. But we don't
[50:29] know until I get the application and
[50:30] start working with them. Um second, if
[50:33] we find other grant money, then I can
[50:35] start reducing the project with the
[50:36] state. Now, once it goes to the board,
[50:39] um the board authorizes it, they'll
[50:40] author authorize it for a certain
[50:42] amount. You can go back and say, "Okay,
[50:44] we found some other monies to help
[50:47] contribute. We don't need all of this.
[50:49] We want to get part of it back." It's
[50:50] another board action, but you can do
[50:52] that. And and they really don't mind
[50:54] because they get the money back to give
[50:55] to someone else. It's a revol revolving
[50:57] loan, right? So they loan the money out,
[51:00] payments come back with interest, and
[51:01] then they loan that money out to
[51:02] somebody else. And that's how that's how
[51:04] the state works the system.
[51:06] >> We had
[51:07] >> Oh,
[51:07] >> teacher um
[51:11] roads to redo the roads. Is that an
[51:13] additional cost or is that figured in
[51:15] here?
[51:16] >> That's included in these numbers
[51:17] >> because that would that would determine
[51:18] my decision. So that's what I wanted to
[51:20] make sure.
[51:21] >> And the the roads cost about 700,000 of
[51:25] this of this number.
[51:29] Yeah,
[51:30] >> I know you always say that the roads get
[51:32] done with the water, but I just wanted
[51:34] to make sure I wanted to clarify and ask
[51:36] the question.
[51:37] >> So, this is this is the road. So, the
[51:40] full breadth of the road,
[51:41] >> whole repave,
[51:43] >> we'll talk about that here in a minute,
[51:45] but repave
[51:47] >> you turn
[51:47] >> new water line. water,
[51:50] >> new laterals from the water line to the
[51:53] meter
[51:53] >> to the meters.
[51:54] >> New meter vaults and new meters.
[51:58] >> Well, not I mean meters would be on us
[52:00] as the city.
[52:01] >> Okay.
[52:01] >> Uh but most of them are fairly Toby.
[52:04] Most of them we have in there I think
[52:05] are pretty good.
[52:05] >> Okay. So it just be laterals.
[52:07] >> Last time we did replace the cans
[52:09] because if if they have depends on what
[52:11] cans they have. If they had the old the
[52:12] old galvanized ones rusted out, we put
[52:14] the new plastic ones in with new lids.
[52:17] So we did that last time as well. So we
[52:19] replaced everything to to the service
[52:21] and the can.
[52:22] >> We removed the meter and put the meter
[52:24] back. It uh replaces all the fire
[52:27] hydrants, all the valves, all the PRVs,
[52:30] water line, basically everything in the
[52:31] system.
[52:33] >> I mean, I I think I don't think
[52:35] anybody's excited about raising any
[52:38] funding. I for the record. No, nobody's
[52:40] flippantly just saying let's just do it
[52:42] because it makes sense because it's only
[52:43] a few bucks. Um, but I would say this
[52:46] too. I do think it would be better to
[52:50] start at the top. Number one, in the
[52:54] application phase, I think it's going to
[52:56] be easier for us to whittle down than
[52:58] it's going to be, I think, to go and
[53:01] apply for more.
[53:02] >> I would much rather go with the larger
[53:06] project and then find that we're
[53:07] fortunate to receive a few offsetting
[53:09] things that would then adjust the number
[53:11] down. I don't think anybody even if you
[53:13] decide I'm going to do another $30,
[53:15] nobody wants to hear, oh actually it's
[53:17] going to be$ 3350.
[53:18] Um I think if we start with the larger
[53:20] and are able to whittle down to a number
[53:22] that um and again at the end of the day
[53:25] it's got to go through public hearing.
[53:26] But that would be my vote is that Ted
[53:28] that we would go after number one and
[53:30] the in the application process and then
[53:32] as we work through this rightsize it
[53:35] based on what we think we're going to
[53:37] see. I kind of think number two is not
[53:39] an option because
[53:41] for me because you've talked about how
[53:44] you you saved the worst for last. So
[53:47] these sections, yes, the water line
[53:49] needs done, but also the roads are
[53:50] terrible and and so I just to only do
[53:54] part of it. I mean, I feel I would feel
[53:57] really bad for the residents that got
[53:58] stuck in tut two and didn't get done.
[54:01] I'm just saying like I think that's
[54:03] probably why maybe a lot of us are are
[54:04] not really considering number two.
[54:07] because we've heard you say for how long
[54:09] when we've been working on these other
[54:10] roads that the worst were being saved
[54:11] for last and so these are the worst
[54:14] >> and so they
[54:15] >> wor
[54:16] >> and they so they really really need done
[54:19] >> and it's just not fair to not do them
[54:22] >> it feels like to me
[54:24] >> so Ted if you were to wave magic wand
[54:26] timing wise is this a project that you
[54:29] foresee starting before the snow flies
[54:32] it would be next spring next summer so
[54:34] we would know whether that 850 50 went
[54:36] through.
[54:37] >> You're talking place this year?
[54:38] >> No. No. Yeah. I'm just I'm just saying
[54:40] this would be spring of next year,
[54:41] probably.
[54:42] >> Probably 28 28.
[54:44] >> Okay. Oh, wow. Okay.
[54:45] >> Yeah. So, we're we're way
[54:49] >> the funding and all of that paperwork
[54:51] and hearings and everything just takes
[54:53] so long and that's
[54:54] >> board meets about every three months,
[54:56] two, three months depending various
[54:58] times of the year. So, by time you get
[54:59] in front of the board, you get something
[55:01] approved, then you start your
[55:02] engineering and that takes about six
[55:03] months.
[55:04] >> Then you get it out to bid. I mean,
[55:06] yeah, we're probably spring at 28 before
[55:09] start.
[55:11] >> Um, yep.
[55:12] >> I just need to know.
[55:14] >> My Yeah, my vote my vote is I would do
[55:16] the application for number one. So,
[55:19] >> because number one, I would probably
[55:21] have to submit the application without
[55:23] the 150k assuming so that and and
[55:26] assuming that we have the 500 million
[55:28] capital funds. So, I'd submit an
[55:30] application for like 4.95 million
[55:34] >> and If we don't get the 850k than we're
[55:37] 3650
[55:39] now once again I think that'll be the
[55:41] high end. I really think probably get
[55:43] some grant if it's available and
[55:44] probably
[55:45] >> would much rather start with the worst
[55:47] case scenario in terms of what we think
[55:48] and then it's always better news to to
[55:50] reduce.
[55:51] >> Um
[55:52] >> do we have the public hearing prior to
[55:55] your uh prior to the spring of 2028 or
[55:58] do we have it now before the
[56:00] application? When is the public hearing
[56:03] according to
[56:04] >> It has to be done before you close on
[56:05] the book.
[56:06] >> Oh, so we have a little bit of
[56:07] >> And I think it'd be good for us to know
[56:09] what all the cards are before we have
[56:10] the public hearing. So we're not doing
[56:12] any type of, you know, extra, you know,
[56:16] >> when the state runs their numbers,
[56:17] they'll run them. They're the one
[56:18] they're the ones who will ultimately
[56:19] tell us, you know, this looking at your water rates and they'll use their
[56:24] numbers. This is what you're going to
[56:25] have to charge for month. Ultimately,
[56:27] they'll kind of give their feedback
[56:28] there. So that's why this is this is you
[56:30] know rough numbers just kind of give you
[56:33] a scale of the ranges but they're going
[56:35] to probably change a little bit once we
[56:36] get through the state process and then
[56:38] like if we get better interest rates or
[56:40] grant they'll they'll obviously change
[56:42] again too.
[56:44] >> Yeah. So we have clean reliable water
[56:47] less cost um because we'll have less
[56:50] replacement once this goes in. We have
[56:54] um then the idea that the roads will be
[56:58] safer because they will be um repaired
[57:00] and then um an increased security in um
[57:04] in fire protection, water availability
[57:07] at any hydrant. I mean that was one of
[57:09] the big things that in the um Palisades
[57:12] fire when they went to hook up the water
[57:14] and there wasn't any and people really
[57:18] suffered because of that and we wouldn't
[57:21] want anything like that. Right now we
[57:24] were pretty good with our water. I mean
[57:26] years ago we weren't but we have a nice
[57:28] well we have upgrades. We have a good
[57:31] system. It's just the distribution that
[57:33] now is the is lacking.
[57:37] >> Yeah. And I've been over there and
[57:38] turned on and off a couple of those
[57:39] hybrids and sometimes you can't get
[57:41] those nuts to seal back off. You start
[57:42] shooting water at the top.
[57:46] » So I think it's just
[57:48] >> So if that's what you're leaning
[57:50] towards, I'll start pursuing that option
[57:52] >> and see where we land.
[57:54] >> I think that's what we're hearing from
[57:56] all three of you. Is that correct?
[57:58] >> Number one.
[57:59] Okay,
[58:01] >> perfect. Yeah, take that. Take what
[58:03] Brian's put into an account, you know,
[58:05] if you'd like. Give Steve a call.
[58:07] But I think you should proceed with
[58:09] number one.
[58:11] Okay. Nothing else. Then we'll move to
[58:13] number three. Update on the road
[58:15] funding.
[58:16] All right. So, talk a little bit about
[58:17] the funding. So, uh a while back we the
[58:20] council passed a uh resolution for
[58:25] funding out to 1.4 million. Um we put it
[58:28] out to we had science bank put it out to
[58:31] bid for various funding agencies to fund
[58:34] us for 1.4 million project. They came in
[58:37] at interest rates of between 4.429 and
[58:40] 4.739 is their interest rates. Um they
[58:45] were a little bit Zian's bank uh comment
[58:48] they're probably a little higher than
[58:49] they they would have thought they would
[58:51] have been. Um we had four bids uh to
[58:55] take on this this loan.
[58:58] So uh we then uh Zans's bank then
[59:02] recommended we maybe try the the state
[59:04] infrastructure bank. Uh state
[59:06] infrastructure bank is a revolving loan
[59:08] fund that's administered by UD do the
[59:11] Utah department of transportation
[59:14] that provides uh financing to public
[59:16] entities for transportation and
[59:18] infrastructure projects. Now generally
[59:20] they like to see this as a connected
[59:21] activity to some of their facilities
[59:23] highways state federal highways stuff
[59:25] like that. We don't really have any
[59:27] connected action to their facilities.
[59:28] However, uh when we spoke to the UD do
[59:31] representative, he said not a lot of
[59:34] people use this and or is just not aware
[59:36] of this finance auction they have. So
[59:38] they have quite a bit of money there. So
[59:40] he recommended submitting application.
[59:42] So we filled out an application,
[59:43] submitted it and uh the mayor and I went
[59:46] to the transportation commission meeting
[59:48] and they approved our request.
[59:51] um they have a term for a 10-year term,
[59:54] which is what we were applying for at
[59:55] the others, a 10-year term of 3.48%.
[59:58] So, we ended up saving ourselves, uh,
[1:00:00] you know, roughly a percentish either
[1:00:02] way. Uh, which equates to the cost over
[1:00:05] the 10-year term to about $75,000
[1:00:10] plus closing costs because this is just
[1:00:12] an agreement. We don't have to go
[1:00:14] through our uh financial institutions
[1:00:17] to close. So it saved us probably
[1:00:19] another8 to $10,000 in closing costs as
[1:00:21] well.
[1:00:21] >> Yeah. Your origination fees and
[1:00:22] everything that they're going to charge
[1:00:24] you.
[1:00:25] >> So um so we we were successful in
[1:00:28] getting that. Um this is being paid back
[1:00:30] through sales and franchise tax. So it's
[1:00:33] not property tax property taxes or
[1:00:35] anything like that. It's coming uh as a
[1:00:38] repayment through our sales and
[1:00:39] franchise tax.
[1:00:43] So uh that's the funding part. Now we'll
[1:00:46] talk about the project. Um, wanted to
[1:00:49] show you. So, we've been working on the
[1:00:51] road project. We started up at the top
[1:00:52] around the park. Loafer, Eagle Nest,
[1:00:54] Grizzly, that area.
[1:00:55] >> Posted something about bad dirt,
[1:00:57] >> pulverizing the road up there. These are
[1:01:00] some pictures I took this evening. Uh,
[1:01:03] this is loafer. As you're coming around,
[1:01:05] I'll say it kind of the Westish side of
[1:01:07] the park. Um, you can see those ruts
[1:01:10] over there. Those things are about 12 to
[1:01:13] 18 inches deep of just when vehicles run
[1:01:15] through them. That's because they're so
[1:01:17] soft and there's so much clay they were
[1:01:19] just sinking in when they were trying to
[1:01:20] compact them. Um, and there's no way to
[1:01:23] get those compacted.
[1:01:25] So, those are some conditions we were we
[1:01:27] weren't aware of. Uh, the worst of it is
[1:01:30] on this section of Loafford. Uh, there
[1:01:32] are some other spots around Eagle Nest
[1:01:35] and a couple small ones on Grizzly.
[1:01:38] >> We got two in front of our place where
[1:01:40] you can see the truck just sunk in a 10
[1:01:42] foot space. Just
[1:01:43] >> sunk right down. Y
[1:01:45] >> did the I mean because these aren't I
[1:01:47] mean relatively speaking we just talked
[1:01:49] about the oldest roads in town and these
[1:01:50] are more of the newer roads in town.
[1:01:52] Were the road standards just not
[1:01:55] >> as good as they are or did we not we
[1:01:58] weren't very diligent in making sure
[1:02:00] that they were
[1:02:01] >> well um so I guess I don't I wasn't here
[1:02:05] when the roads were built so I didn't
[1:02:07] get to see them go in. When we started
[1:02:09] pulverizing, the contractor made the
[1:02:10] comment said, "Oh boy, no road base. Um,
[1:02:15] we were basically in native once we got
[1:02:17] through the asphalt." And so I'm not
[1:02:20] sure what went in, but right now there
[1:02:22] doesn't appear to be a lot of structural
[1:02:24] material under these roads. Um, I think
[1:02:27] these were put in around late 90s, early
[1:02:30] 2000.
[1:02:30] >> No, these were two I this this part was
[1:02:33] put in in
[1:02:35] 2000. So we moved in in ' 07 and they
[1:02:38] were done. So probably 2004 2005.
[1:02:40] >> Yeah. Early 2000 somewhere around there.
[1:02:43] >> Um so they and this is that section from
[1:02:48] loafer on loafer from the park around to
[1:02:51] Hills Drive kind of on the west side.
[1:02:54] That is the worst part of it. I mean
[1:02:55] that whole segment there is almost
[1:02:57] trash. Um we the other side of loafer so
[1:03:02] if you go from the park go around the
[1:03:03] other way kind of go eastish around down
[1:03:05] to Hills drive. That all looked pretty
[1:03:07] good. They actually end up paving half
[1:03:08] of that road today.
[1:03:09] >> Oh, good.
[1:03:10] >> Um well,
[1:03:12] one half of one or one side of it, part
[1:03:15] about twothirds of the way up.
[1:03:16] >> Um so that outside looked pretty good.
[1:03:18] This side was just all trash. And then
[1:03:20] we got some spots on Eagle Nest that are
[1:03:21] trash, too. So,
[1:03:24] >> teacher, another question.
[1:03:25] >> Yes.
[1:03:25] >> Woodland Hills days roads done.
[1:03:28] [laughter]
[1:03:30] » We're going to make it fun. Have you
[1:03:32] ever seen those butt vlogs? They do.
[1:03:36] We're gonna have mud wrestling in the
[1:03:38] street.
[1:03:39] >> In my head, the wheels are turning. I'm
[1:03:41] like, "Oh crap."
[1:03:44] >> Yes, I have. I have given him that
[1:03:46] deadline. They're well aware of it. Um,
[1:03:49] so
[1:03:50] >> you said, "Jan, it's scary." So,
[1:03:51] >> I did. I said, "You don't want to go
[1:03:53] with the council person in charge of
[1:03:54] this." So,
[1:03:55] >> I told him I would take the bullet to
[1:03:57] start with. Um, so we we met with the
[1:04:00] contractor a couple of times and come up
[1:04:02] with a plan. basically is to we just
[1:04:04] have to repair these soft spots. They
[1:04:06] can't even put pavement down on because
[1:04:07] if they try and run off their papavers,
[1:04:09] they're just going to sink and then the
[1:04:10] pavement's going to sink and it's going
[1:04:11] to be horrible. So, what we did is we
[1:04:13] came up with a plan to fix these hot or
[1:04:15] these soft spots. Basically, they come
[1:04:17] in and they dig out. Initially, we
[1:04:19] thought 8 in uh some of the places
[1:04:21] they've been digging today, they've got
[1:04:23] two feet before they get to something
[1:04:24] that's worth building up on. Um and what
[1:04:27] they do is they dig down anywhere
[1:04:29] between 8 inches and two feet and then
[1:04:31] they put in two they put in a a geo
[1:04:33] fabric and then a geo grid
[1:04:35] >> two layers and then they come back in
[1:04:37] with a good road based material and
[1:04:38] start patching these up. There's a lot
[1:04:41] of this to patch this way. There's also
[1:04:43] some places on Eagle Nest and Grizzlies
[1:04:45] that we've also got to patch. The
[1:04:48] downside to this is uh this was
[1:04:50] something that we didn't know until we
[1:04:52] pulverized the road. So, this is not in
[1:04:53] their contract to do and it's all extra
[1:04:56] costs
[1:04:56] >> and it's expensive.
[1:04:58] >> That's why the change I call it contract
[1:05:01] amendment. Okay.
[1:05:03] >> Um, so we met with the contractor to
[1:05:06] start pricing all this out and
[1:05:12] so here's what we came up with.
[1:05:14] >> Well, it's not horrible.
[1:05:18] » No. So here's what so and you'll see one
[1:05:20] other thing we'll talk about. The actual
[1:05:21] change order is not that much, but
[1:05:24] >> but it's but we changed the scope of the
[1:05:25] project to get that.
[1:05:27] >> So originally we were going to pulverize
[1:05:29] and repave all these roads.
[1:05:30] >> Uhu. When we got around Eagle Nest and
[1:05:33] Loafer, we could see those needed a lot
[1:05:35] of repair work and it was going to take
[1:05:36] quite a bit of money to get those
[1:05:37] repaired.
[1:05:39] So, we uh talked about some options on
[1:05:42] what we could do on the other streets to
[1:05:44] reduce the cost on other streets. Um,
[1:05:47] one because we needed to save some money
[1:05:49] somewhere to make up for the cost of
[1:05:51] repairing these streets. Two, if we
[1:05:53] start pulverizing all these streets, we
[1:05:55] could be doing that. we just maybe open
[1:05:57] a big can of works and we could be
[1:05:58] doubling or tripling the cost of project
[1:06:01] which we don't have funding for. So what
[1:06:04] we decided to look at for the remaining
[1:06:06] streets in blue that you'll see there is
[1:06:09] uh to do a mill and overlay. So we'll
[1:06:13] mill off they do what they call an edge
[1:06:14] mill. So they'll go along the curve and
[1:06:16] driveways and stuff like that and
[1:06:18] they'll mill it down an inch and a half
[1:06:20] and then they'll mill out into the
[1:06:21] street anywhere from half inch to an
[1:06:23] inch. take all the crack seal and all
[1:06:25] that stuff off and then they'll put a
[1:06:26] new clean 2-in layer of asphalt over all
[1:06:29] these roads and tie them all back into
[1:06:31] the curbs and driveways and everything
[1:06:32] again. Um, which is some savings to the
[1:06:35] project. So, through that savings on
[1:06:37] these roads, we're able to pay for
[1:06:40] basically the repair work that's going
[1:06:42] to have to be done on loafer eagle
[1:06:44] nests.
[1:06:45] >> You know, Eagle Nest was so bad and so
[1:06:47] cracked and so is I mean, is this
[1:06:49] probably why? Because
[1:06:49] >> this probably why loafer was the same
[1:06:51] way
[1:06:51] >> because it was so soft underneath. cuz
[1:06:53] those roads were terrible when you would
[1:06:55] drive a little my ebike on there and it
[1:06:57] was terrible
[1:06:58] >> and with all that construction that came
[1:07:00] after the roads the probably all those
[1:07:03] heavy trucks just added to that then and
[1:07:06] we didn't
[1:07:07] >> but I think the spots were there
[1:07:09] >> right that but I meant that they the
[1:07:10] spots were there that added weight then
[1:07:12] contributed to the road damage
[1:07:15] >> so uh the plan is uh to mill and fill
[1:07:20] shadow lane ash circle will reed autumn
[1:07:22] leaf Wooden Hills Drive, the remaining
[1:07:24] portions of it, and then deer met.
[1:07:27] And then the roads that are currently
[1:07:29] pulverized, we're going to go through
[1:07:30] and repair all the soft spots, get it to
[1:07:33] where we can make it a stable road and
[1:07:34] then repave it with 4 in of asphalt on
[1:07:37] those roads. That will uh between a
[1:07:41] reduction in the remaining roads to go
[1:07:43] to Milanfield, the addition of fixing
[1:07:46] all these soft spots basically adds
[1:07:49] about $8,800 to the park overall.
[1:07:53] The second thing I asked them or we
[1:07:55] talked about was paving our parking lot
[1:07:58] of the park uh with the pickle ball
[1:08:00] project. Um one of the things that we
[1:08:04] wanted to be able to do is provide ADA
[1:08:06] access to the park and to the pickle
[1:08:08] ball courts. So we thought it'd be nice
[1:08:10] to pave that parking lot at the park. Uh
[1:08:13] we can put a handicap or two stall there
[1:08:16] and then we'll have a as part of the
[1:08:17] pickle ball a new trail that goes from
[1:08:20] the parking lot along the pavilion and
[1:08:22] over to the pickle ball court so you can
[1:08:24] access the pavilion and pickle ball
[1:08:25] courts with handicap access and the
[1:08:28] trail we're working on making sure the
[1:08:30] grades of the trail meet the handicap 88
[1:08:33] um compliant slopes like that. So, um,
[1:08:38] if we want to pay that parking lot park,
[1:08:40] that's about $31,000. 31,470. So, the
[1:08:44] new contract price, uh, if we want to
[1:08:47] proceed with all these, it have to be
[1:08:49] kind of approval from the council
[1:08:51] because we're increasing the cost by
[1:08:52] about $40,000
[1:08:55] would be 1.55 million.
[1:08:58] I just want to comment because thank you
[1:09:01] for doing that the ADA part because
[1:09:03] that's was one of my goals when I was on
[1:09:05] PTR the first time and the thing we need
[1:09:08] to consider with that is that's not just
[1:09:10] we want that just because we want that
[1:09:12] but a growing am percentage of our
[1:09:15] population up here is getting older. We
[1:09:18] have a lot of older citizens and they do
[1:09:20] express that they don't go up to the
[1:09:22] park because it's uneven and they don't
[1:09:24] have you know a good surface. Some of
[1:09:26] them have
[1:09:28] things that help assist them walking or
[1:09:29] they have wheelchairs. And so it's not
[1:09:32] just we want it for aesthetics. It's something that's important to a
[1:09:36] large percentage of our citizens. And so
[1:09:39] I I just wanted to put that out there
[1:09:40] because the ADA thing is something I've
[1:09:42] wanted for a long time. So thank you for
[1:09:46] doing that.
[1:09:52] Anyway, so that's the changes that we're
[1:09:55] making to the road project. Um that one
[1:09:58] would take we have to actually execute a
[1:10:00] signed change order with the contractor
[1:10:02] because it's a changing his contract.
[1:10:05] >> Um
[1:10:06] >> that's about 40,000
[1:10:07] >> to include the park. It's 40. Yeah.
[1:10:09] >> 40,000 change including the park. Yeah.
[1:10:12] >> If we want to do the park as well.
[1:10:15] So our total contract goes up by about
[1:10:17] 40,000. This still keeps us under 1.4
[1:10:19] million
[1:10:22] funding that we we received from the
[1:10:24] state infrastructure. Are we sacrificing
[1:10:26] anything on the blue roads or are they
[1:10:28] going to be okay?
[1:10:30] >> Um, obviously for those I mean it's like
[1:10:34] all the roads the best thing to do would
[1:10:35] be a pulverize mall up fix all the soft
[1:10:37] spots get them structurally sound and
[1:10:39] repave them with 4 in of asphalt.
[1:10:41] However, we just don't have the money to
[1:10:43] do that. Honestly, it could be another
[1:10:46] So, I had our uh engineers I asked them
[1:10:50] uh how much would it cost? And he put me
[1:10:51] a number together. This came from
[1:10:53] Council Member Hutchkins. question he
[1:10:55] had if we were to just pulverize or
[1:10:58] repay Woodland Hills Drive in addition
[1:11:00] to the ones we've already done and then
[1:11:02] bill and fill the rest
[1:11:05] uh what that cost would be and it would
[1:11:06] add about another
[1:11:09] 200,000
[1:11:11] to our project cost. So we would be, you
[1:11:14] know, in the ballpark one and a half,
[1:11:16] which we just
[1:11:18] and that's not including soft spot
[1:11:20] repairs. That's just to get it
[1:11:22] pulverized or repaid. If we run into
[1:11:24] lots of soft spots like we did on
[1:11:25] loafer, that could go up by another 100
[1:11:27] 150 200,000.
[1:11:29] >> So we could be anywhere between 200.
[1:11:33] >> So I think we do sacrifice a little bit,
[1:11:36] but I I don't know. I think this is a
[1:11:39] great option for the money we have
[1:11:41] because by just milling the top inch
[1:11:44] off. We're still leaving an inch or two
[1:11:47] of probably an inch uh or two of solid
[1:11:51] pavement, albeit old kind of crack, but
[1:11:54] a solid surface so we don't have all
[1:11:56] those soft spots below it seeing. So,
[1:11:58] we're adding to that structural a little
[1:12:00] bit.
[1:12:03] So this will need some approval for the
[1:12:07] mayor to sign a change order if we want
[1:12:09] to include all this.
[1:12:13] >> Okay. Question.
[1:12:14] >> Yes.
[1:12:15] >> On years forward road repair when we go
[1:12:19] through this again what what is the
[1:12:22] preferred method to do knowing that we
[1:12:25] have some problems underneath underneath
[1:12:28] it all. It would be best to
[1:12:32] have the money to do a job like it's
[1:12:36] supposed to be done or just a kind of a
[1:12:38] fix again. It again talking the future
[1:12:42] of what we'll be facing,
[1:12:45] >> you know, and that's uh
[1:12:49] the best option is is when you have a
[1:12:53] road like loafer really bad just to dig
[1:12:56] the whole road up and redo it. um
[1:12:58] basically take it all down and then kind
[1:13:00] of redo the road from the subway up.
[1:13:04] Obviously, you get much less done for
[1:13:06] that. So, it's kind of a balancing
[1:13:08] around. Do we do a mile of road and get
[1:13:10] it done right and spend a million
[1:13:12] dollars doing that or do we take that
[1:13:14] million dollars and make three miles of
[1:13:17] road decent? You know what I mean? So,
[1:13:20] it's kind of one of those things you
[1:13:21] have to weigh out. Um
[1:13:23] >> answer for a future council.
[1:13:24] >> Yeah. [laughter]
[1:13:27] Yeah. Uh in this case it was just my
[1:13:30] available money um you know for the
[1:13:33] project for this project we just had to
[1:13:35] kind of shift gears a little bit. The
[1:13:37] nice thing is loafer will be much
[1:13:39] better. Um Eagle Nest loafer and those roads will be much better. Now we
[1:13:44] pulverized and repaved oak broad hollow
[1:13:47] spring all those culde-sacs off oak when
[1:13:50] we did the waterline project and didn't
[1:13:52] run into as much clay as we run into
[1:13:54] these. So you you never know too till
[1:13:57] you just get digging them up what you
[1:13:58] got.
[1:13:58] >> Right.
[1:13:59] >> We didn't have to fix any soft spots on
[1:14:01] those roads. This one these ones were
[1:14:03] just terrible.
[1:14:10] » Perfect. Anything else there?
[1:14:13] And we will continue to discuss the
[1:14:15] T-Mobile uh tower.
[1:14:19] Uh so this is just a uh something to put
[1:14:23] in your back pockets, think about. Um we
[1:14:28] have been talking to the state about
[1:14:30] possibly turning one of our old steel
[1:14:32] water tanks into a dip tank for helac.
[1:14:37] >> So we have the two green old water tanks
[1:14:40] up there. And one they're still water
[1:14:42] tanks. They're they're gated. We can't
[1:14:44] use them anymore. Uh
[1:14:47] So, we talked about tearing them down
[1:14:49] when we put our new water tank in. Um,
[1:14:54] when I was meeting up there with the
[1:14:55] state firework on another issue, we got
[1:14:58] talking back and forth. They say, "Well,
[1:14:59] it would be kind of cool if we turned
[1:15:00] one of these into a dip tank for our
[1:15:01] helicopters because that would help them
[1:15:04] serve all of the mountain above our
[1:15:06] city, Elk Ridge, over in parts of Salem
[1:15:09] over above three bridges and all that.
[1:15:10] They could use a dip tank. because it's fed by our our system so we could
[1:15:15] keep it full fairly easily for them. Um
[1:15:19] they were really excited about that idea
[1:15:21] in the state and they may be willing to
[1:15:22] help us contribute some money towards
[1:15:25] making this happen. But the first step
[1:15:26] we're doing a study right now which is
[1:15:28] something you guys a while back to
[1:15:30] determine if it's viable to turn these
[1:15:32] into a tank. But to do that we have to
[1:15:34] move the T-Mobile tower. So we have
[1:15:36] T-Mobile dishes on top of one of those
[1:15:38] two steel tanks the small one. I'm
[1:15:40] getting ready to switch because it's
[1:15:41] right there.
[1:15:42] >> Well,
[1:15:44] >> I would I would still do it. I'm on
[1:15:46] T-Mobile and I love it up here.
[1:15:48] >> My Verizon has been so terrible.
[1:15:51] >> It didn't take me longer once I
[1:15:55] >> used to be better than T-Mobile till we
[1:15:57] got
[1:15:57] >> it. It did. The T-Mobile now nationally.
[1:16:00] >> Let's just call
[1:16:02] you here. So, uh, so I I had a meeting
[1:16:05] with T-Mobile the other day to start
[1:16:06] talking to them about possibly
[1:16:08] relocating their, uh, antennas.
[1:16:13] I was a little intimidated. They had
[1:16:14] like 15 of their executive people on
[1:16:16] this conference call, it was me.
[1:16:19] Anyway, intimidate me personally, uh,
[1:16:22] but it was a good conversation. Um, so
[1:16:26] we talked about the potential of
[1:16:27] relocating their dishes. They're going
[1:16:29] to start looking into it. And so we
[1:16:31] started talking about all the options
[1:16:32] and I offered and said, you know,
[1:16:34] there's other spots on our property up
[1:16:35] there you can move it to. You don't have
[1:16:36] to move it that far. We could just put a
[1:16:38] new tower up, put your dishes on and
[1:16:39] stuff like that. Um, so they're going to
[1:16:41] start looking at the viability of that.
[1:16:43] The one comment he made and something I
[1:16:45] want to bring up the council is right
[1:16:46] now they lease that space on that tank.
[1:16:49] He said, "Well, would the city want to
[1:16:50] put up the tower and lease us the space
[1:16:52] on the tower? You could also lease it
[1:16:54] out to any other companies that would
[1:16:56] come want to come along and lease out
[1:16:58] the um
[1:16:59] >> Yeah. potential of putting dishes on
[1:17:02] towers up there. So, you would own the
[1:17:03] tower and you could lease it out to
[1:17:04] whatever companies want to space on it.
[1:17:05] Team own want space on it. We also got
[1:17:08] Central Link up there that has their
[1:17:09] little tower and maybe we'd move them
[1:17:11] over because it'd be nice to their tower
[1:17:12] as well. Um, but an option um wanted to
[1:17:16] run it just have you start thinking
[1:17:19] about it. Um, we're not far enough down
[1:17:21] the road to determine the viability of
[1:17:24] where this would go and you know what it
[1:17:26] would look like.
[1:17:27] >> What would it I mean probably not very
[1:17:28] much. What would it cost for us to put
[1:17:30] up a little tower?
[1:17:31] >> I don't know. Uh I've actually been
[1:17:33] talking with So some of you may know
[1:17:35] Scott Blet lives in town. That's what he
[1:17:36] does. He works with cell companies, all
[1:17:38] of them, to put up mobile tower sites.
[1:17:41] Uh not mobile, but tower remote tower
[1:17:43] sites. Um so I was talking to him today
[1:17:46] and he started just talking about just
[1:17:48] some of the nuances to think about. He
[1:17:49] says in addition to the tower class, you
[1:17:50] probably have to study and a few things
[1:17:52] like that. So there are some nuances
[1:17:54] that come with it. Now T-Mobile, they do
[1:17:56] their environmental study as well. takes
[1:17:58] about a year and a half. They said from
[1:18:00] the time you start the discussions till
[1:18:01] they can actually do something, it's
[1:18:03] going to take probably a year.
[1:18:04] >> Is it going to look like a pine tree or
[1:18:05] is it just going to be a tower?
[1:18:07] >> I brought that up. They do have ones
[1:18:08] that look like pine trees. I've seen
[1:18:09] one.
[1:18:10] >> Yeah, there's a bunch in Oram and Provo
[1:18:12] and
[1:18:13] >> they're they're they're probably double
[1:18:14] the cost.
[1:18:15] >> Yeah,
[1:18:16] >> I think and I guess it would depend.
[1:18:18] Now, T-Mobile, when I was talking to
[1:18:19] Scott, he says they don't own they lease
[1:18:23] 98% of their sites. He says like AT&T
[1:18:26] build 98% of our site. So it varies from
[1:18:29] company to companies to what they do.
[1:18:31] Right now we get about $1,000 a month
[1:18:33] from T-Mobile. We seem that space to
[1:18:38] something to think about as we dig into
[1:18:40] this. Um we'll work on some costs. T I
[1:18:43] don't know until T-Mobile gets back to
[1:18:45] me with what kind of tower they would
[1:18:46] need. And that depends on where they
[1:18:48] could put it up on the site. And they're
[1:18:50] looking at some other options on where
[1:18:52] >> if we did a tower, we would need to do
[1:18:54] one that could potentially have other
[1:18:57] cell providers have
[1:19:00] >> really wants Verizon up there.
[1:19:01] >> Well, I want more money for the city,
[1:19:03] too.
[1:19:05] >> I mean, we talked about that
[1:19:07] >> 12. Now you put three on there, we're
[1:19:09] talking $36,000 a month.
[1:19:11] >> I mean,
[1:19:12] >> now you throw Centry Link on there. You
[1:19:13] throw Rise. You throw
[1:19:15] >> a bunch of them. this actually could
[1:19:18] churn, you know, $40, $50,000.
[1:19:20] >> We're always looking for any kind of
[1:19:21] little alternate income for the city.
[1:19:23] And little things do add up.
[1:19:25] >> And maybe because of the way our city is
[1:19:27] designed, it might make sense to put one
[1:19:29] on this side of the city and then
[1:19:31] another on this side of the city. And
[1:19:34] now we're doubling the amount they're
[1:19:37] leasing from us.
[1:19:40] >> Let's start the study.
[1:19:42] And we can start buying land in other
[1:19:44] cities and putting up towers.
[1:19:46] >> Oh, there you go. [laughter]
[1:19:49] >> Start charging. We could Hey, we could
[1:19:51] charge three bridges.
[1:19:53] >> So, T-Mobile's going to do some some
[1:19:55] investigation on their side to see where
[1:19:57] we have to go. It has to kind of go
[1:19:58] uphill. They can't down the hill with
[1:20:00] it. Well, they could. The tower gets a
[1:20:01] lot taller.
[1:20:02] >> Yeah.
[1:20:02] >> Um but if they kind of go start going up
[1:20:04] the hill a little bit, we looked at some
[1:20:06] sites on the We pulled up some maps. We
[1:20:08] looked at some sites in the meeting.
[1:20:09] They could potentially look at uh
[1:20:11] actually actually shrink the temple
[1:20:13] because they'll go farther to the hill.
[1:20:15] They won't know until they get
[1:20:16] >> right on the switchbacks.
[1:20:18] >> Are they are they the ones that are
[1:20:20] taking the lead for next steps or do we
[1:20:22] have to do anything?
[1:20:23] >> They are taking the lead right now.
[1:20:25] They're looking at what options there
[1:20:27] would be as far as where to I pointed
[1:20:30] out some spots up on our property where
[1:20:32] they could potentially move to. So,
[1:20:33] they're going to start looking around
[1:20:34] the area and see what would take the
[1:20:37] power is it possible that kind of stuff.
[1:20:39] >> Did they mention the lengths of of their
[1:20:40] leases? Are they doing year-to-year
[1:20:42] leases? Are they doing like five-year
[1:20:44] commits?
[1:20:45] >> So, on ours, I think right now it's a
[1:20:46] fiveyear
[1:20:48] and then once it I was reading it a
[1:20:51] little while ago. I think it was a
[1:20:52] fiveyear once the term is up it like
[1:20:56] continues in a year and then they have
[1:21:00] to give you like a year to cancel or
[1:21:02] something like that before you cancel or
[1:21:03] something like that.
[1:21:06] >> I would do I would suggest we do a
[1:21:07] minimum lease term on it, you know,
[1:21:10] >> just So we're not building a$150
[1:21:12] $200,000 tower and then for a year
[1:21:16] that's
[1:21:17] >> agreed.
[1:21:20] >> Wonderful. Okay. Update on city grants.
[1:21:24] >> I think you've heard enough on grant
[1:21:25] stuff for me. I don't really have
[1:21:27] anything else. Uh we're moving forward
[1:21:29] on courts. I do have a question for some
[1:21:31] of our pickle ball enthusiasts after the
[1:21:33] meeting if they're around for a minute.
[1:21:36] >> Wonderful.
[1:21:37] >> Good
[1:21:38] engineers. You are done for it.
[1:21:40] >> If I can do a fire update, then I walk
[1:21:42] back up.
[1:21:43] >> Perfect. Do it.
[1:21:44] >> Fire out.
[1:21:44] >> Huh?
[1:21:45] >> They haven't updated it on watch duty at
[1:21:47] all. So, I'm assuming it's out.
[1:21:49] >> A little fire.
[1:21:50] >> Usually, they haven't done any updates.
[1:21:51] It was a pretty small one.
[1:21:52] >> Yeah. Three years, three and a half
[1:21:54] years, something like that.
[1:21:54] >> So, I'm assuming it's out.
[1:21:55] >> They were on it pretty quick. And it was
[1:21:57] a ways up there. It would have taken a
[1:21:59] while to get to us.
[1:22:00] >> I know. But it's just good to know.
[1:22:02] Yeah.
[1:22:02] >> For people.
[1:22:03] >> Yeah. Um, the other thing is is our fire
[1:22:07] crew uh is uh leaving in the morning for
[1:22:10] Idaho.
[1:22:12] >> Oh, which part
[1:22:14] >> area?
[1:22:16] >> Yeah.
[1:22:18] >> So, they're headed out tomorrow. Uh
[1:22:19] they've been having a pretty good year
[1:22:20] for us. We also have the county crew up
[1:22:23] doing some more mitigation work for us
[1:22:24] this week up around the water tanks. Um
[1:22:27] clearing out some areas up there, some
[1:22:29] of the big stuff up there. So, doing
[1:22:30] mitigation work, get fire crews out.
[1:22:33] usually going well with that.
[1:22:34] >> I've noticed at least commute home. I'm
[1:22:37] starting to see residents putting out
[1:22:40] bills again.
[1:22:41] >> Yeah.
[1:22:42] >> Uh seen quite a few piles.
[1:22:44] >> So maybe I'll bring it up here. I'm
[1:22:45] going to send out a
[1:22:48] >> um we do not have a commitment from the
[1:22:50] county for another chipper day. Now we
[1:22:52] historically haven't held the fall
[1:22:54] chipper days. Uh the last few years
[1:22:56] because the year we had all the trees
[1:22:57] come down with the snowstorm. we we were
[1:22:59] able to pull some stuff together and
[1:23:01] throw them together. And then last year
[1:23:03] the county uh they offered to come up
[1:23:05] and help us in the fall again because
[1:23:06] they needed some crews that that some
[1:23:08] crews that were available to help us
[1:23:09] out. So they came up and did it. But
[1:23:11] it's it's never a guarantee to do a fall
[1:23:13] chipping. I talked to the uh county um
[1:23:16] battalion chief um
[1:23:19] earlier this week or last week, I can't
[1:23:21] remember. And he says right now we can't
[1:23:23] commit to you any um because it all
[1:23:25] depends on the fire year. Right now it's
[1:23:27] all still pretty busy.
[1:23:28] >> Yep. Um, so they can't commit.
[1:23:30] >> I just noticed that, man. Once one
[1:23:31] neighbor starts then the next neighbor
[1:23:33] says, "Oh, there we know you do social
[1:23:36] media posts and stuff. Could we either
[1:23:37] send it out through that thing or even
[1:23:39] do just a real simple door hanger? It
[1:23:42] doesn't have to be anything fancy, but
[1:23:43] to the people that are putting stuff out
[1:23:44] and put a door hanger on their door that
[1:23:46] says we don't have a fall chipper today.
[1:23:48] You need to haul this off and take care
[1:23:50] of it."
[1:23:50] >> Well, that's the hard thing is we might.
[1:23:53] >> Yeah,
[1:23:54] >> it's still open. Um the other thing the
[1:23:57] other option we have is the state will
[1:23:58] sometimes let us use their chipper our
[1:24:00] crew um and when our crew is back uh
[1:24:04] from this next fire they're going on
[1:24:07] we'll reach out to the state um Utah
[1:24:11] state forestry fire state lands
[1:24:13] representative and see if he'll let us
[1:24:15] use he's let us use it off and on
[1:24:16] throughout the summer we've used it
[1:24:18] multiple times this summer um we'll see
[1:24:21] if he'll let us use it again we can send
[1:24:22] our crews around to do some shipping
[1:24:24] we're also talking getting dumpsters. Uh
[1:24:27] so if we don't have chipping, we'll have
[1:24:28] dumpsters. People can you they'd have to
[1:24:30] haul it to the dumpster.
[1:24:31] >> It's hard because I like that people are
[1:24:32] clearing it because that's good, but
[1:24:34] then it's bad when it's all stacked by
[1:24:36] the curb.
[1:24:37] >> Well, and and right now we're actually
[1:24:39] in stage two fire restrictions. So which suggests you don't use chainsaws
[1:24:44] at all right now.
[1:24:45] >> That's why
[1:24:48] we want to encourage people to be out
[1:24:51] um clearing a lot right now. I mean, I
[1:24:53] love that they're clearing, but if
[1:24:55] you're on that dry, tall grass right now
[1:24:57] and you set your chainsaw down, you
[1:25:00] know, that that could set a fire up
[1:25:01] pretty easily.
[1:25:02] >> Yeah.
[1:25:03] >> So, the state
[1:25:05] and federal grounds right now, you can't
[1:25:07] use chainsaws
[1:25:08] >> or county.
[1:25:10] >> Even I was worried we we got our house
[1:25:12] painted, but the house painters were
[1:25:14] parking like their truck and their
[1:25:15] trailer kind of up into the grass on the
[1:25:17] side of the road because there's really
[1:25:18] nowhere for them to park. It just made
[1:25:20] me nervous. I thought, oh, if there's a
[1:25:22] tall grass and something underneath is
[1:25:25] too hot, you know what I mean? I just makes you nervous. It's like
[1:25:29] >> recommending. And and even like if you
[1:25:30] got those metal blades on your weed or
[1:25:32] stuff like that, be careful with those
[1:25:33] because if you hit rock spark, I
[1:25:36] >> mean, right now, I mean, we're coming
[1:25:37] into hopefully, they keep saying monsoon
[1:25:41] weather, but it comes for a day and it
[1:25:42] goes. And it kind of misses it's been
[1:25:44] missing us because I were down in
[1:25:46] Mapleton and it'll get poor it'll pour
[1:25:48] down there and then I look on my camera
[1:25:50] and there's nothing up here.
[1:25:51] >> And yesterday there was it was pouring
[1:25:53] in Salt Lake at my granddaughter's
[1:25:56] soccer game and lightning and they had
[1:25:59] cancelled the game and Willa started
[1:26:00] getting evacuations because of the fire
[1:26:03] there and then it was just fine here.
[1:26:05] >> There were I think four four or five
[1:26:07] fires yesterday that started.
[1:26:08] >> Yeah. I think we had 55 new fires
[1:26:12] started in the last week around the
[1:26:14] state.
[1:26:14] >> Wow.
[1:26:15] >> Anyway, so we're not uh promoting a
[1:26:17] chipper days yet. Uh could happen, but
[1:26:21] right now we can't guarantee that just
[1:26:23] so I I'm just probably going to put
[1:26:25] onify and just say we not we don't have
[1:26:27] a plan chipper days right now. If you're
[1:26:28] putting out, please keep it back from
[1:26:30] the road.
[1:26:31] >> Maybe remind them that they're not
[1:26:33] supposed to be using a chainsaw.
[1:26:35] >> Yeah, that's good to know because a lot
[1:26:37] of people don't know that. Well, and so
[1:26:39] that's county, state, and federal land.
[1:26:41] Each city is is required to to set their
[1:26:44] own regulations or restrictions on that.
[1:26:46] We haven't set one, but we're kind of
[1:26:48] following the guidelines of the county.
[1:26:50] >> Um because we're outside. So,
[1:26:53] >> we should because it's a decision
[1:26:54] between you and mayor to set those
[1:26:56] restrictions.
[1:26:58] That's something coming up for the
[1:27:00] >> so in my TED talk uh in my video I did
[1:27:03] suggest that we're following counting
[1:27:05] restrictions which
[1:27:09] » let's maybe yeah let's do a on that
[1:27:13] great thank you Ted uh Sergeant Dudson
[1:27:18] Utah County Sheriff report
[1:27:25] » okay watch all the public hops
[1:27:30] Well, I just got to let you guys know
[1:27:31] I'm leaving Woodland Hills.
[1:27:34] >> No, you're not.
[1:27:36] >> You're not allowed to. Are you wanting
[1:27:39] us to Excuse me. We fought for you.
[1:27:43] >> Excuse me.
[1:27:44] [laughter]
[1:27:46] >> Call me Sheriff Smith.
[1:27:47] >> No.
[1:27:48] >> Yeah, we're all texting him right now.
[1:27:50] >> I'll be reporting your bad joke.
[1:27:52] >> I catch you all.
[1:27:55] No, I I just want to inform you that so
[1:27:58] starting or in July of next year, the
[1:28:01] sheriff's office contract comes up for
[1:28:03] renewal. So it'll be a four It's every
[1:28:06] four years.
[1:28:07] >> Y
[1:28:08] >> um there will be a cost increase. What
[1:28:10] that increase is, we don't know yet. I'm
[1:28:13] just letting you guys know towards the
[1:28:15] end of fall, I'll meet with my admin and
[1:28:18] we'll start running numbers and
[1:28:19] hopefully have some numbers to you
[1:28:21] January, February. The sooner the
[1:28:24] better, but I just want to let you guys
[1:28:25] know that that that contract will come
[1:28:27] up and try to get it to you sooner than
[1:28:30] later. So, you're budgeting for 27.
[1:28:35] >> Wonderful. Do you want to talk at all
[1:28:37] about uh Summer Creek Drive?
[1:28:41] >> So, Summit Creek Drive towards the the
[1:28:44] bottom portion of it. Um once you kind
[1:28:46] of go through the gates there, we do
[1:28:49] have a a speed trailer set up there
[1:28:51] that's just reminding people to slow
[1:28:53] down. That speed limit through there is
[1:28:55] 30, but we're in the process working
[1:28:58] with Ted and that's going to lower to 25
[1:29:00] miles an hour once you go through the
[1:29:02] gate to 11200.
[1:29:06] just with there's been a lot of
[1:29:07] complaints through there with speeding
[1:29:09] and myself and Deputy Monson have sat
[1:29:13] out there and
[1:29:15] watched
[1:29:17] traffic. We've made traffic stops and
[1:29:19] >> for the record I don't drive that way.
[1:29:21] >> I don't need
[1:29:22] >> no
[1:29:24] go there.
[1:29:25] >> I I did
[1:29:27] >> buy a new car.
[1:29:27] >> Sergeant Dudson, you know,
[1:29:30] >> pull you over the next time he sees you
[1:29:32] to talk about
[1:29:33] >> it in my new car. Yeah. So, but just so you know, he's he's been
[1:29:38] instructed to to target you,
[1:29:41] >> but then you can give you can uh grant
[1:29:44] uh
[1:29:45] >> No,
[1:29:47] hopefully that work. Ted's been getting
[1:29:49] some signs that will hopefully indicate
[1:29:52] before that speed limit drops to 25,
[1:29:54] what's the distance between the 25 mile
[1:29:57] speed limit and the warning?
[1:29:58] >> It's about 300 ft.
[1:29:59] >> Okay. It'll be a yellow diamond. It'll
[1:30:02] have the speed limit with an arrow point
[1:30:04] ahead that it's that the speed limit is
[1:30:05] dropping.
[1:30:07] >> They're also going to do the same thing
[1:30:08] here on
[1:30:10] >> where it drops from 35 to 25.
[1:30:29] » Well,
[1:30:31] I'm not sure
[1:30:33] technically right now doesn't have
[1:30:34] speed.
[1:30:39] » Well, maybe that's not true because
[1:30:41] farther up Summer Creek it is 30
[1:30:44] >> a sign that says 30.
[1:30:46] >> Well, let's take a look at that and
[1:30:48] we'll do what it what the statute
[1:30:50] requires.
[1:30:50] >> Yeah, I guess
[1:30:53] way we'll make it happen.
[1:30:55] >> All right. Sorry to scare you a little.
[1:31:04] And just clarification, law enforcement
[1:31:06] does not set speed limits. That is up to
[1:31:08] the cities and the state to simples.
[1:31:11] We'll enforce it. So,
[1:31:13] >> we encourage if there needs to be a
[1:31:14] change, but yeah.
[1:31:16] >> So, crime wise, our city's pretty good,
[1:31:18] huh? We do pretty good. I mean, I see
[1:31:19] your little stats that you send me for
[1:31:21] the newsletter. Seems like we don't have
[1:31:23] a lot.
[1:31:23] >> Will is a pretty good place.
[1:31:28] Okay. Thank you, Sergeant.
[1:31:29] >> Okay.
[1:31:30] >> Glad you're not leaving.
[1:31:32] >> Yeah. Commissioner,
[1:31:36] » we're going to now discuss the proposed
[1:31:38] amendments to city code title 10 and
[1:31:41] title 11.
[1:31:43] Title 10, as you know, is kind of our
[1:31:46] zoning ordinances and has a lot of that
[1:31:50] in there. The uh you've got them in your
[1:31:53] packet. Title 10. There was some
[1:31:56] tweaking that we thought we needed to do
[1:31:58] and some clarification and added to a
[1:32:02] few of them to do that.
[1:32:07] We had public hearing on those as well a
[1:32:12] week ago and we had no input because we
[1:32:16] had nobody here further public hearing.
[1:32:19] So, there were no objections to it. As
[1:32:23] the planning commission looked at those,
[1:32:25] we there's one that we uh we think needs
[1:32:29] to have more work. So, we've removed
[1:32:31] that from what's being presented to you
[1:32:34] and we'll we'll look at that further and
[1:32:36] see if we can make that work.
[1:32:39] >> I read through it, but I didn't see I
[1:32:41] mean, usually you send us something like
[1:32:42] this is getting struck out, this is
[1:32:44] being added the in red or something. I
[1:32:47] didn't see that in
[1:32:48] >> that was sent you guys.
[1:32:50] >> Oh, I probably read that then.
[1:32:53] It was earlier.
[1:32:55] >> So,
[1:32:55] >> I just was looking for it at the end
[1:32:57] one, but I get it.
[1:33:00] >> So, that was title 10.
[1:33:03] Uh, title 11 is our subdivision
[1:33:06] ordinance. And as we got going through
[1:33:10] that and we've had a lot of reviews
[1:33:13] lately with subdivision issues that
[1:33:15] we've gone back to the ordinance and see
[1:33:18] what we need to do and how we do it so
[1:33:20] forth. There were uh a couple of
[1:33:23] sections that got overlooked
[1:33:27] in uh moving the responsibility
[1:33:31] or subdivisions from the city council to
[1:33:34] the planning committee. And there was
[1:33:36] still a lot of things in the paragraphs
[1:33:39] that said the city council does this,
[1:33:41] city council does that. So most all of
[1:33:44] the changes that we made in title 11
[1:33:48] corrected that oversight and put the
[1:33:51] planning commission in place of the city
[1:33:54] council in doing things relating to the
[1:33:57] subdivisions. So that's what most all of
[1:34:00] the changes were in title 11. And we've
[1:34:03] got a little bit more work to do with
[1:34:06] that that um we'll have a discussion on
[1:34:08] that next month uh with some other
[1:34:11] changes in in titling.
[1:34:14] So any questions that you have on
[1:34:20] any of that
[1:34:22] we had all the commissioners voted in
[1:34:25] favor of the changes. So they were
[1:34:28] supportive of
[1:34:28] >> and the reason to move it all to
[1:34:30] planning commission instead of
[1:34:33] state law
[1:34:36] state laws change.
[1:34:37] >> I I Okay,
[1:34:40] >> I knew that part. I just didn't remember
[1:34:42] which parts were changed in ours to
[1:34:44] theirs because I had read theirs a lot.
[1:34:47] >> Oh, yeah. [laughter]
[1:34:50] >> Any other question?
[1:34:50] >> It seems to be working out okay. Some
[1:34:53] new new for us were some of this
[1:34:56] unchartered ground things, but it's
[1:34:59] coming together. So, we we don't have to have a public
[1:35:04] hearing on it because they did.
[1:35:06] >> Correct.
[1:35:06] >> Yep. Yep. So uh then we're going to go
[1:35:09] to departmental reports which is you. So
[1:35:12] planning commission and code
[1:35:13] enforcement.
[1:35:15] >> Let me
[1:35:17] make a comment. We've learned and I
[1:35:20] think you all are aware of that that
[1:35:22] really nothing's going to be happening
[1:35:24] with
[1:35:26] roundabout this year.
[1:35:31] And so what I'm the planning commission
[1:35:34] has been given a little responsibility
[1:35:36] over the new post office stuff. I'm
[1:35:39] going to be making a recommendation to
[1:35:40] the mayor that we move this container
[1:35:43] over to the east side of the parking
[1:35:45] lot.
[1:35:47] It'll be another six months likely
[1:35:49] before anything is done. And and it is a
[1:35:52] little crowded out there in the winter
[1:35:53] time with snow and so forth. It'll it'll
[1:35:56] kind of be in the way more. So, um, if
[1:35:59] any of you have any thoughts on that,
[1:36:01] let let the mayor know. But going to be
[1:36:04] my recommendation to him this week
[1:36:06] temporarily move it over there to the
[1:36:08] east side and get it out of the way.
[1:36:09] >> I think that is a good idea.
[1:36:11] >> So, anyway, um,
[1:36:14] we have [clears throat]
[1:36:17] one of our residents that we've put a
[1:36:19] lean on their their home and that is
[1:36:23] accumulating.
[1:36:25] We'll wait another 30 days and update
[1:36:29] the lean that we have there with the uh
[1:36:32] with the fines that are being incurred
[1:36:34] by then. So,
[1:36:36] >> usually the leans will say plus fees
[1:36:38] fines, so you don't have to keep
[1:36:39] updating.
[1:36:41] >> They'll stay there, but they won't
[1:36:43] increase. As I understand it, the lean
[1:36:45] is whatever we
[1:36:48] >> Well, it says plus fines, fees, etc. So,
[1:36:50] you don't have to keep reapplying the
[1:36:52] lean. You just do one and then you keep
[1:36:55] track of it in the records at the city
[1:36:58] or whatever. This is how HOAs do it. And
[1:37:00] then so if someone doesn't pay their HOA
[1:37:03] dues,
[1:37:05] the original amount is shown as a lean,
[1:37:07] but then it says plus fines, fees, legal
[1:37:10] fees, etc. So you can add on to it
[1:37:13] whatever you want. And you don't
[1:37:15] >> you don't have to you don't have to put
[1:37:17] another lean.
[1:37:18] >> Good. We'll look at that and make sure
[1:37:20] that we've got that kind of wording in
[1:37:22] the in the lean that we
[1:37:24] >> that gives you that way you only have to
[1:37:25] do it once, but it just whenever they
[1:37:27] pay it off, they they have to check
[1:37:29] with. So, as a title company, if I see
[1:37:31] that, I'm going to call the city and
[1:37:34] say, "I need a payoff
[1:37:36] >> and the seller is the one who pays that
[1:37:38] off."
[1:37:39] >> Well, it's through the closing title
[1:37:40] company pays it because the seller can't
[1:37:41] be trusted to pay it. So, the title
[1:37:43] company pays it, but I it's my duty to
[1:37:46] call the city and get the update. I
[1:37:48] don't look at what the lean that's on
[1:37:49] the property. I don't go by that amount.
[1:37:52] >> Okay.
[1:37:52] >> Title companies aren't allowed to go by
[1:37:54] that amount. We can't trust that. I have
[1:37:56] We have to call the city and get a
[1:37:57] current up to date. So, if it's going to
[1:38:00] close August 30th, we have to get a
[1:38:02] payoff through August 30th.
[1:38:04] >> Okay. List the first time we've done
[1:38:06] that. So, that's good information to
[1:38:07] know.
[1:38:08] >> I know because I heard you say that
[1:38:09] before and I was going to ask. I was
[1:38:11] like, why?
[1:38:12] >> Yeah. So,
[1:38:14] >> okay.
[1:38:16] thank you.
[1:38:18] >> Okay, then uh nothing from emergency
[1:38:20] management or none of special service
[1:38:22] district. Um so we will move to the
[1:38:25] mayor and city council reports. Um and
[1:38:28] let's see if we can't keep them to that
[1:38:31] five minutes or less. Um myself today,
[1:38:34] um Jod, Lori, and Charlene tried to beat
[1:38:37] me up pretty good. uh we spent all day
[1:38:41] long uh going over every single
[1:38:43] financial policy and procedure that we
[1:38:45] have and mapping them out and
[1:38:47] documenting them. So it was a very very
[1:38:50] long very successful um day. So I want
[1:38:54] to thank the three of them um that they
[1:38:57] stuck with me on all of that. Uh but I
[1:39:00] think it was really good. So you guys
[1:39:02] will see the the fruits of that work um
[1:39:06] once I am able to compile it all. So
[1:39:10] then legal updates. I've got nothing. So
[1:39:12] Council Member Hutchkins is excused.
[1:39:14] Council member Johns is excused. So
[1:39:17] Council Member Lint Parks Trails
[1:39:18] Recreation Finance Committee events and
[1:39:20] communication.
[1:39:22] >> Um I I was at Council Member John's
[1:39:25] pickle ball fundraising meeting. Anyway,
[1:39:28] it was it was good. Um there were a lot
[1:39:31] of ideas thrown out. Ted gave a lot of
[1:39:33] good input um at the meeting. Steve had
[1:39:36] some good ideas and we we came up with a
[1:39:39] plan to sell some bricks and benches.
[1:39:41] And we really it was just an early kind
[1:39:43] of highle meeting, but we made a list of
[1:39:46] some things like where the benches are,
[1:39:47] maybe having a canopy over for some
[1:39:49] shade, you know, if we were able to
[1:39:51] raise funds for some of those kinds of
[1:39:53] things. It was like if we were able to
[1:39:54] raise funds and then even if the
[1:39:56] fundraiser goes really well and there's
[1:39:58] extra money raised, we talked about
[1:40:00] upgrading the playground um and maybe
[1:40:03] even putting some shade over the
[1:40:05] playground areas, some of the canopies
[1:40:06] and things like that if if that amount
[1:40:09] of money was raised. So, it that was a
[1:40:11] good meeting and he's not here, but I I
[1:40:13] was there so I can report on that. And
[1:40:14] then um
[1:40:17] I have PTR. We did meet but we didn't
[1:40:20] have a quorum so it was just really
[1:40:22] brief. We just talked about pickle ball
[1:40:24] and doing trail maintenance. Uh it
[1:40:27] originally was set for October 3rd, but
[1:40:29] that is conference weekend. So we moved
[1:40:31] it back a week. We're risking weather
[1:40:33] because we have been known to get some
[1:40:36] inclement weather by then, but if we do,
[1:40:39] >> What day is that then?
[1:40:40] >> October 10th will be
[1:40:42] >> So you've not moved moved it forward to
[1:40:45] >> Yes. Because Sher will be out of town
[1:40:48] the end of September. So, we moved it to
[1:40:50] October 10th and we'll do some
[1:40:52] switchback trail maintenance
[1:40:54] >> um and get it ready for winter. And then
[1:40:57] >> finance committee, we haven't met and
[1:40:59] then we have Woodland Hills Days coming
[1:41:01] up. Just a couple things going on there.
[1:41:04] Um everything is really good. Again,
[1:41:06] there are six of us, so we've divided
[1:41:09] and conquered. We really need to get
[1:41:10] going hard on advertising, though. It's
[1:41:12] I think it's time. Um
[1:41:16] >> about the save the date. So, the save
[1:41:18] the date text.
[1:41:18] >> Yeah, the save the date. That was the
[1:41:20] mayor today. That was good. I I'm going
[1:41:23] to get the banners. We'll get those
[1:41:24] updated and get those up in the next by
[1:41:27] the first of the week versus September.
[1:41:29] I think that's good. Usually a good two
[1:41:30] weeks is usually plenty because the wind
[1:41:33] beats the crap out of those poor
[1:41:35] banners.
[1:41:36] >> Well, it's the same weekend every year.
[1:41:38] So, people people know it's coming. They
[1:41:40] just like to get the details more as it
[1:41:42] gets closer.
[1:41:43] >> Yep. And then we'll start posting little
[1:41:45] individual we want to do for each event,
[1:41:48] you know, some little individual things.
[1:41:50] Um, actually Hillary did one for the
[1:41:52] booths because she's really gung-ho
[1:41:54] about that. And I got two or three
[1:41:56] messages from individuals wanting her
[1:41:58] contact information. So I passed that
[1:42:00] on. So that was good. So, uh, those do
[1:42:03] work, you know, doing the little
[1:42:04] individual event things. Sometimes I
[1:42:06] wonder how many people see them, but the
[1:42:08] right people are seeing them apparently.
[1:42:10] So that works. So we'll do that.
[1:42:13] That's all I got.
[1:42:15] >> Okay. Thank you, Council Member
[1:42:16] Malovich.
[1:42:17] >> Um, it is legislative session already
[1:42:21] almost. We're getting into that. Um, so
[1:42:24] we've had several meetings about what's
[1:42:25] happening and what's going to impact us.
[1:42:27] The the theme of the year is
[1:42:29] unpredictable. So, we have we have about
[1:42:32] a fourth of the legislature turning
[1:42:34] over, including the Senate President who
[1:42:37] lost his race. Um, we here have our a
[1:42:42] new representative, Jackie Larson, takes
[1:42:44] over for Jeff Burton. There's a couple
[1:42:46] of things that will impact us. They are
[1:42:49] looking at um some changes again in
[1:42:52] property tax. Some of the stuff that
[1:42:54] failed last year is coming back. Um
[1:42:58] there are those who want to do away with
[1:43:00] property tax, which would affect our
[1:43:02] city a lot. And so Florida is doing that
[1:43:06] right now, trying to figure out how to
[1:43:08] do that. and it's we're following them
[1:43:10] because of it. Um there's also because
[1:43:14] of the people who had to raise their
[1:43:16] taxes a lot, truth and taxation laws are
[1:43:19] going to probably change a little bit
[1:43:21] more. So they're having some discussions
[1:43:23] with that. Um
[1:43:27] we talked about um about the of course
[1:43:30] the affordable housing and what's going
[1:43:32] on there. We do have a bill out that uh
[1:43:36] could potentially make that anywhere
[1:43:38] where there's residential
[1:43:40] property that is zoned residential, no
[1:43:43] matter what R or C or whatever it is,
[1:43:46] would be allowed to have a 6,000 square
[1:43:49] foot lot.
[1:43:51] So that's proposal is out there to and
[1:43:54] so that's a that could be an issue. Um
[1:43:58] there's some bills out there with
[1:43:59] regards to AI doing plan reviews.
[1:44:03] Um and because some there's some
[1:44:06] programs out there that some cities are
[1:44:07] using. Um
[1:44:10] then there's also
[1:44:13] um
[1:44:16] why I can't look at my own notes because
[1:44:17] I can't read them. Um,
[1:44:22] oh, there's been some efforts in the
[1:44:25] counties um where they have threatened
[1:44:29] cutting some funding to counties uh
[1:44:32] because of the lack of h housing
[1:44:34] possibilities. But Heber Council got
[1:44:38] checked because they were debating
[1:44:42] something and it didn't really go well
[1:44:44] and so they were told you're not going
[1:44:46] to get any funing. Well, it's not for
[1:44:48] cities at this point. It's just
[1:44:50] countywide. And so, but we bet we're
[1:44:53] going to keep a check on that. Um, they
[1:44:56] still want that 35,000 starter homes by
[1:44:59] 2028. Um, and lots less than 6,000 or
[1:45:04] less than 6,000 square foot. Um, some of
[1:45:07] the other things that uh that are coming
[1:45:10] up is AI, the AI for plan review. Of
[1:45:13] course, I just told you about um some of
[1:45:16] the um these HOAs. Um a lot of HOAs
[1:45:21] around the state are going out of
[1:45:23] kicking the bucket and cities are having
[1:45:25] to take over. So, they're wanting us to
[1:45:27] be a little bit more. Just think about
[1:45:30] that in terms of what would that cost be
[1:45:33] to
[1:45:34] um assimilate those things that have
[1:45:36] been paid for by an HOA that now the
[1:45:39] city would need to incorporate.
[1:45:41] um impact fees. There's always something
[1:45:44] about impact fees out there. Um
[1:45:49] the building inspection timelines,
[1:45:52] there's some issues out there right now
[1:45:54] with that timeline. Most cities are
[1:45:57] doing the three days. Okay. It's the
[1:45:59] reinspection days that that are getting
[1:46:02] concerns and so there might be some
[1:46:04] changes coming in that arena. You're
[1:46:06] talking about when you're building a
[1:46:08] home day inction
[1:46:11] >> that then the re the re like if
[1:46:13] something's wrong how long is the timing
[1:46:16] in getting it back in again putting it
[1:46:19] on the schedule.
[1:46:20] >> We'll be fine.
[1:46:21] >> Some people some cities are really
[1:46:22] having a problem. They are also talking
[1:46:25] about uh pre-approved plans um where
[1:46:28] this the planning commission if there's
[1:46:31] somebody who's building homes that kind
[1:46:33] of look the same that they would
[1:46:35] preapprove a plan. So it wouldn't
[1:46:37] necessarily go through the whole
[1:46:39] planning process.
[1:46:41] >> Yeah, there you go. So, so that is um also back to that less than 5,000 or
[1:46:52] 6,000 square foot land. If it if we
[1:46:54] don't if this passes is it would be used
[1:46:57] in all residential zones that allow
[1:47:00] single family dwellings. If you don't
[1:47:02] pass a designation
[1:47:04] um for conditional use by July 1st of
[1:47:07] 2027, they would default to it would be
[1:47:10] permit. it would be permitted like it
[1:47:13] would just be you wouldn't have to ask
[1:47:14] for a per permit. So that's in the
[1:47:16] legislative cycle. It hasn't passed but
[1:47:18] it's in there. Um
[1:47:22] cities who don't have the attached ADU
[1:47:26] um ordinances have till the 1 of October
[1:47:30] to have that in place. Um
[1:47:34] we have a few things else. I'm just
[1:47:36] looking through my notes online. Um, of
[1:47:39] course we don't do fireworks, but a lot
[1:47:42] of cities had issues with the firework
[1:47:44] bands. Um, our city was fine, but they
[1:47:48] are talking about um
[1:47:52] other issues with uh with fireworks and
[1:47:55] fire safety overall. Kind of trying to
[1:47:57] put those together and I figured Ted's
[1:47:59] handling that. So, if there's something
[1:48:01] in particular you want me to bring back,
[1:48:03] Ted, tell me. Um lot of concerns over
[1:48:07] cameras in cities, especially the flock
[1:48:09] cameras. Um a lot of them are being
[1:48:12] stolen out of cities and they're be
[1:48:14] prosecuted. Um but law enforcement, it's
[1:48:18] kind of that public safety versus um
[1:48:22] privacy.
[1:48:23] Most law enforcement came on and said uh
[1:48:26] came into the meeting and said, you
[1:48:28] know, this is how we're finding the
[1:48:31] criminals is camera use. And so, and
[1:48:35] then for us, we detect with fire. I
[1:48:37] mean, we're not trying to to use any
[1:48:40] cameras to do anything that's going on private property or
[1:48:47] whatever, right? And so, those are
[1:48:49] things that are really important. Um, we
[1:48:52] also talked a lot about data centers
[1:48:54] because data centers in Utah right now,
[1:48:57] it was like this huge big thing in
[1:48:58] Boxelder. They have one in Eagle
[1:49:00] Mountain. Um, but in other areas of this
[1:49:04] of the country, they can be just in
[1:49:06] small little towns like ours. There
[1:49:08] don't have to be these huge things. So,
[1:49:09] there's four committees that are
[1:49:11] actually looking at data centers and
[1:49:14] upgrading some issues with data centers.
[1:49:17] Um,
[1:49:19] and there's a couple of things that uh
[1:49:23] gram there's going to be some grammar
[1:49:25] changes besides the one that we're
[1:49:27] proposing. Um there's
[1:49:31] some that are
[1:49:34] some cities
[1:49:36] use AI for all sorts of things, right?
[1:49:39] We might make a flyer, we might make
[1:49:41] whatever. Let's look through our things.
[1:49:44] Now, some people are grammaring,
[1:49:47] um AI prompts.
[1:49:51] And so, um is that really a public
[1:49:54] record or is it a draft of a potential
[1:49:57] public record? And so legal teams are
[1:50:00] looking into that to see what they can
[1:50:03] do. Right now it's it's considered a
[1:50:05] draft that's not
[1:50:10] it's in the court system though is what
[1:50:12] I'm saying. So that could change. So
[1:50:15] right now the legislators looking at
[1:50:17] that to to just say what can we do? Um,
[1:50:22] we're encouraged to set up a meeting
[1:50:25] sooner than later with our
[1:50:27] representatives because they're going to
[1:50:29] have busy plates. So maybe in October um
[1:50:32] we meet with
[1:50:33] >> Could you set those up, please?
[1:50:34] Coordinate with Jody on scheduling.
[1:50:36] >> Yeah. And then um the
[1:50:40] uh League conference is in Salt Lake in
[1:50:44] October 27th and 28th. I would like to
[1:50:47] go. I don't know if any others would
[1:50:49] like to go.
[1:50:52] But let me see what else there was.
[1:50:56] Um,
[1:51:04] oh, the we don't we don't we don't
[1:51:06] participate in the PID, do we at all
[1:51:08] ever? We haven't so far in any of our
[1:51:11] development agreements because there's
[1:51:13] 10 changes, 10 bills that have been
[1:51:16] filed updating and changing those
[1:51:18] things. Basically, it gives um taxing
[1:51:23] authority to the developer, not the
[1:51:25] city. And right now, there's not really
[1:51:27] a lot of oversight with that. So, people
[1:51:29] are upset. So, basically, that's that
[1:51:32] was just for the update of this last
[1:51:35] week, but we're going to get more and
[1:51:36] more updates as it goes. And
[1:51:39] >> Okay. Well, thank you.
[1:51:40] >> Potential things that we might want to
[1:51:42] consider what our our input should be.
[1:51:47] >> Yay. They expect over last year we had
[1:51:51] over 500 bills that affected municipal
[1:51:54] government. They're expecting more this
[1:51:55] year.
[1:51:57] >> Okay. Well,
[1:51:59] >> see what we can do. Thank you very much.
[1:52:01] Hey,
[1:52:01] >> council
[1:52:05] conference is October 27th
[1:52:08] does fall on the city council.
[1:52:11] It's a Tuesday.
[1:52:13] Then we'll
[1:52:14] >> make sure you don't schedule the
[1:52:17] representative.
[1:52:20] >> Yeah, it's October 27.
[1:52:21] >> Yeah,
[1:52:23] >> perfect. Okay. Um,
[1:52:27] Council Member Ro,
[1:52:29] >> just in support of Woodland Hills Day is
[1:52:31] number one thing we got going on. Um,
[1:52:33] from a tech perspective, not much in
[1:52:36] terms of new development of any new tech
[1:52:38] for the city. Um, everything seems to be
[1:52:42] going well. as far as learning it.
[1:52:45] They're doing a great job. Um the only
[1:52:48] thing I would ask maybe uh that we we
[1:52:52] start looking at and maybe considering
[1:52:56] um
[1:52:57] how we can perhaps leverage some agentic
[1:53:00] approach to do some of the task
[1:53:02] management.
[1:53:04] um some agents that can
[1:53:07] just help offload some of the burden of
[1:53:09] the repetitive tasks that we might be
[1:53:11] doing either clerically or otherwise
[1:53:12] that you know obviously don't include
[1:53:14] finances or anything that's
[1:53:15] >> public record but start looking at um I
[1:53:18] mean almost every single LLM out there
[1:53:22] is reduc is producing some pretty
[1:53:25] impressive agentic workflow type agents
[1:53:28] that are very very inexpensive and very good at what they do and Anything
[1:53:33] we can do to offset um the workload of
[1:53:37] our reduced staff, I would like us to at
[1:53:41] least consider.
[1:53:43] >> So great. Would you be able to schedule
[1:53:46] some time to kind of sit with Jody and
[1:53:49] >> and Lori and see if there are some
[1:53:53] applications that may
[1:53:55] >> and anything that is um I mean we we can
[1:53:59] get into the details but um these
[1:54:02] wouldn't be what I would call fully
[1:54:03] deployed agent workforce. In other
[1:54:05] words, they're not making decisions.
[1:54:06] they're not looking at data and then
[1:54:08] making a decision on the data. But
[1:54:09] they're mostly going to be workflow
[1:54:10] based. Um reminders, etc. of of things
[1:54:14] that need to do, things that need to
[1:54:16] happen, and then always that human in
[1:54:18] the loop element of yes, execute these.
[1:54:20] Um not just
[1:54:23] >> rogue agent zeros going through our city
[1:54:25] doing things. Want to make sure that's
[1:54:27] very clear for the record, but there's just a lot of repetitive tasks
[1:54:30] that that we all do in our day-to-day
[1:54:32] that agent flows can really solve. Okay,
[1:54:36] thank you. Um items for upcoming city
[1:54:39] council meetings
[1:54:41] >> um
[1:54:43] >> ETR
[1:54:44] >> just the what we discussed.
[1:54:47] >> Okay,
[1:54:49] wonderful. Yes.
[1:54:50] >> Have you he talked to the other party?
[1:54:52] >> I have not yet.
[1:54:53] >> I did
[1:54:54] >> and that party agreed.
[1:54:57] >> Perfect. Okay, I'll talk with him as
[1:54:59] well. I have lunch with him on Thursday
[1:55:01] with the bench.
[1:55:02] >> Okay.
[1:55:03] >> Potential potential bench manufacturer.
[1:55:05] Awesome.
[1:55:06] >> So, we can talk them. Wonderful.
[1:55:08] >> You know, I was thinking too, um, we've
[1:55:10] had several, you know, a couple of
[1:55:11] people who have made benches because
[1:55:13] their loved one has passed away. You
[1:55:15] know, the Waters did one and Sherry did
[1:55:18] one. Maybe we should make that kind of
[1:55:20] an option
[1:55:22] >> ongoing option
[1:55:23] >> is the company that we are looking at.
[1:55:26] >> Because I think right now people don't
[1:55:28] think of it. um long-term residents do
[1:55:31] or people who use the park. But it would
[1:55:32] be nice when we're starting to look at
[1:55:34] this other fundraising just to say,
[1:55:36] "Hey, you ever want to have something
[1:55:39] special in memory of your loved one?
[1:55:41] We're offering to you to put a bench up
[1:55:44] someplace."
[1:55:45] >> Still pushing for the cemetery.
[1:55:47] That's my primary goal there. So
[1:55:50] wonderful. Okay. Um does anybody need a
[1:55:54] break?
[1:55:56] If you need one, that's fine. We can
[1:55:58] take one.
[1:55:58] >> We have five minutes left of our
[1:55:59] meeting, so we better not.
[1:56:02] >> Okay. Are you okay?
[1:56:03] >> Are we going to go into a closed?
[1:56:04] >> Yes. You might need a break.
[1:56:07] >> Let's take Let's take a short one.
[1:56:08] >> Okay. Take a short break. It currently
[1:56:11] >> minutes or less.
[1:56:16] » Oh, we're good. It didn't say recording
[1:56:18] in progress. I was waiting.
[1:56:23] » Okay. We'd like to call this council
[1:56:25] meeting to order. Uh we're going to
[1:56:27] start with an invocation from Council
[1:56:28] Member Rhoden and a pledge from Council
[1:56:31] Member Malovich.
[1:56:34] [clears throat]
[1:56:35] Our heavenly father, we're grateful for
[1:56:37] the opportunity to
[1:56:39] be gathered together
[1:56:42] uh in council for this wonderful area in
[1:56:44] which we live. Grateful for our
[1:56:46] residents and we pray for them. We pray
[1:56:48] for our minds to be open to
[1:56:51] the needs [clears throat] of this city
[1:56:52] and understand the impacts of our
[1:56:54] decisions. uh that we make. We are
[1:56:58] grateful for all the blessings we
[1:56:59] receive in this area and we say this in
[1:57:01] the name of Jesus Christ. Amen.
[1:57:03] >> Amen.
[1:57:04] >> Well, please rise the flag and repeat
[1:57:06] with me the pledge of allegiance.
[1:57:09] >> I aliance to the flag of the United
[1:57:13] States of America
[1:57:15] >> and to the republic for which it stands.
[1:57:18] One nation under God, indivisible, with
[1:57:23] liberty and justice for all.
[1:57:30] » Wonderful. Uh we would like to open the
[1:57:32] public comment. Uh comments are limited
[1:57:35] to two minutes or less. Only in-person
[1:57:37] comments will be included as part of the
[1:57:39] official record. Um it does not look
[1:57:42] like we have anybody from the public
[1:57:44] unless Sergeant you want to say
[1:57:45] anything.
[1:57:47] Okay, then we will close the public
[1:57:49] comment section of this meeting and we
[1:57:51] will move to the consent agenda. This is
[1:57:53] for the August 11th, 2026 city council
[1:57:56] meeting minutes.
[1:57:58] Do I have a motion?
[1:58:00] >> I'll make a motion.
[1:58:01] >> Council member Blunt with a motion.
[1:58:03] >> I'll second.
[1:58:04] >> Council member Malovich with a second.
[1:58:06] Um, all in favor?
[1:58:07] >> I.
[1:58:09] >> Any opposed? Okay, that motion passes.
[1:58:13] Um, we are going to move now to the
[1:58:14] motion to approve the funding for the
[1:58:16] roads project.
[1:58:18] >> I'll make a motion.
[1:58:19] >> Council member Rooden with the motion.
[1:58:21] >> I'll second.
[1:58:22] >> Council member Malovich with a second.
[1:58:24] All in favor?
[1:58:27] >> Any opposed?
[1:58:30] That motion passes. Uh, motion for the
[1:58:32] change order for the roads project.
[1:58:34] >> A motion.
[1:58:35] >> Council member Malovich with a motion.
[1:58:37] >> I'll second.
[1:58:38] >> Council member Lent with a second. All
[1:58:39] in favor? I.
[1:58:41] >> Any opposed? That motion passes. Um
[1:58:47] Jody, I have here a no for a roll call
[1:58:50] on this amendment. Isn't that Don't I
[1:58:52] need to do a roll call for amendments?
[1:58:54] >> Okay.
[1:58:55] >> Ordinance um 2026-15 amending sections
[1:58:59] of the city code entitles
[1:59:02] 11 and 12 and 11.
[1:59:07] >> Or 10 and 11. Do I have a motion? move.
[1:59:11] >> Council Malovich with the motion.
[1:59:13] >> Second.
[1:59:13] >> Council member Rhoden with the second.
[1:59:15] Council member Malovich.
[1:59:16] >> Yes.
[1:59:17] >> Council member Lunt.
[1:59:18] >> Yes.
[1:59:18] >> Council member Rhoden.
[1:59:19] >> Yes.
[1:59:20] >> Okay. That motion passes. Um I do have
[1:59:23] an update for a legal conversation. Um
[1:59:26] if you are willing to go into close
[1:59:28] session.
[1:59:29] >> Sure.
[1:59:29] >> A motion or I'll second her motion.
[1:59:32] >> Yeah, I'll make a motion.
[1:59:34] >> Council member L with the motion.
[1:59:36] [laughter]
[1:59:36] >> Council member Malich with a second.
[1:59:38] >> I say sure. Council member RH.
[1:59:40] >> Yes.
[1:59:40] >> Council member Alant.
[1:59:42] >> Yes.
[1:59:43] >> Council member Malovich.
[1:59:44] >> Yes.
[1:59:44] >> Okay. We're going to head into uh close
[1:59:47] session. So,
[1:59:54] okay, we are back from uh close session.
[1:59:57] Do I make a motion to adjurnn?
[2:00:00] >> Council member Malovich with the motion
[2:00:02] to adjurnn. Do I have a second? Second.
[2:00:04] >> We are adjourned. Thank you everybody.