[3:44] 2 [10:45] yes and start with roll call mayor pro tem levar president [10:50] council member alfieri is absent council member case here council member [10:56] nikai here council member neil here council members of the wagga i'm here [11:01] thank you [Music] [11:04] all right pledge of allegiance [11:25] america [11:32] on to number three ceremonies presentations and appointments we have [11:36] 3a which is a proclamation recognizing the organizers of the 2021 old-fashioned [11:41] fourth of july celebration and michael lawson's going to present [11:46] yeah thank you mayor pro tem um just briefly [11:50] we we had a wonderful fourth of july event [11:53] here something that we went without in 2020 [11:57] and it came back in 2021 and we had a team of folks that helped put that [12:01] together um led by gail gross and a lot of volunteers and some city staff and [12:06] some great sponsors and uh it was a great turnout it was [12:10] seemed like everyone seemed to enjoy it i know i certainly did [12:13] um and so we wanted to recognize the amount of effort and all the different [12:16] folks who invested their time in making that [12:18] happen so um [12:21] it it should be said that that used to be something the city put on in the past [12:26] um and with covet and everything else changes in staffing and budgets that [12:30] wasn't something we were going to be able to do and so we appreciated [12:34] folks coming in to fill that gap and make that play on behalf of the [12:38] community so that was really cool [12:41] all right now i have the proclamation in front of me so i'm going to go ahead and [12:44] read that out loud for the record the proclamation recognizing organizers [12:49] of the 2021 old-fashioned fourth of july celebration whereas the city of woodland [12:53] park takes pride in celebrating american independence with its annual [12:57] old-fashioned fourth of july celebration a long-standing community tradition and [13:02] whereas the celebration was cancelled in 2020 due to the covid19 pandemic at one [13:07] time uncertain to return for 2021 and whereas gail gross of soar took the [13:12] initiative and stepped in to organize the celebration for the first time and [13:16] invested many hours and our personal resources on behalf of the woodland park [13:20] community and whereas was assisted by a large group of dedicated volunteers and [13:25] city of woodland park employees both leading up to the event and on the day [13:29] of the event itself and whereas many sponsors both from within and outside [13:34] the woodland park community pledged financial and in-kind support to help [13:38] make the celebration a reality and whereas the celebration was a major [13:43] success evidenced by the largest attendance that anyone could remember [13:46] and brought a welcomed sense of normalcy and enjoyment to thousands of attendees [13:51] now therefore the members of the city of woodland park city council hereby [13:55] recognize gail gross and soar event volunteers city staff and event sponsors [14:00] of the 2021 old-fashioned fourth of july celebration the celebration faithfully [14:06] honored both of our our nation and our community giving the residents of [14:09] woodland park teller county and visitors a much needed opportunity for fun unity [14:14] and patriotism in the midst of a challenging year on behalf of the [14:18] woodland park community the council expresses its gratitude for the hard [14:22] work of all involved in making the celebration [14:25] success thank you gail very much thank you [14:34] i'd like to give you this proclamation as well [14:41] [Music] [14:56] thank you [15:09] many thanks to everyone that helped you [15:15] i want to make this did she want to make a speech [15:20] council wants to know if you want to speak girl [15:33] first of all i want to thank you i've never had embarrassed pain so i'm very [15:37] excited about it and i just want to thank everyone who [15:41] participated yes it took hours on my part to put it together [15:46] but without the people that were participating it wouldn't have happened [15:50] so the the vendors and the sponsors and everybody that helped out on the day of [15:56] and i do have a few of the people here with me today [16:00] everyone was invited but a lot of people are on vacation and couldn't be here but [16:04] we do appreciate the city of whitman park and we look forward to expanding [16:09] upon it for next year and make it making it even better [16:14] thank you thank you [16:22] all right four additions deletions or corrections to agenda none [16:26] we've got consent calendar number five five a's approval of the august 5th 2021 [16:33] regular city council meeting minutes and b is approval contract in the amount of [16:37] 35 for 96 timberline electric suzanne [16:42] you'd like to take a and then if we have any questions [16:45] about b we can sure we can do that so what i would look for this evening [16:50] council is a motion to approve the august 5th [16:53] 2021 regular city council meeting minutes [17:00] oh i'll make a motion thank you a second [17:04] thank you peace [17:07] yes lavar yes nikai yes neil yes zuma yes thank you motion cares unanimously [17:16] the second item as mayor protem mentioned that we have on the consent [17:20] agenda is a contract with timberline electrical control corp and director kip [17:27] wiley is here to answer any questions if you have any particular questions about [17:32] this contract [17:36] council any questions yeah [17:39] so kip i remember when we did citizens academy they [17:42] took us through that whole process and i remember seeing those uh [17:47] old-fashioned radios or whatever and that was a way of connection can you [17:51] kind of just walk through what the technology difference is from what we're [17:55] placing it with so we're we are replacing those radios [17:59] with newer versions um in our town we have to go with radio frequency because [18:03] cellular and low frequencies just don't work and then part of this package is [18:07] also the controls to that so we have a redundancy backup to the plant if the [18:12] plant computer goes down we can operate from the control [18:15] in the scada yeah if i remember that's how [18:19] the that radio control is actually linked to [18:22] how it actually communicates or operates correctly [18:26] correct yeah okay and they said from what i saw in the proposal it's going to [18:30] last another 20 years is that right that'd be amazing [18:34] you're not convinced well the original equipment is still in the plant the [18:38] plant was built in 97 so it's lasted 25 years so okay we would hope this does [18:43] the same okay and by that time we might have more [18:46] sophisticated communication ability more than likely technology does [18:51] feel pretty quick yeah all right thanks thank you [18:57] anything further [19:01] can i get a motion i'll make a motion to approve the [19:04] contract in the amount of 35 496 dollars with timberline electrical control group [19:10] for the system's controls and data acquisitions upgrade to the water [19:14] treatment plant oh second [19:17] thank you yes labar yes nikai yes neil yes [19:25] yes thank you motion cares unanimously [19:29] thank you thank you all right number six public comment on [19:34] items not on agenda suzanne do we have anyone this evening we do ma'am we have [19:39] two the first person signed up is in the audience kitty [19:43] walker okay [19:56] okay am i close enough it's here let's say just say hello hello [20:02] am i close enough yes yes okay so my name is kit marie walker i'm a resident [20:07] of woodland park and um i would like to start [20:12] my comments with the gospel of matthew chapter 12 verse 25 and it says [20:18] jesus knew their thoughts and he said a kingdom divided [20:23] will be ruined and a city or household divided will not stand and i'm bringing [20:30] this forth as the last few months i've [20:33] attended the council meetings and it is apparent that the council is divided and [20:41] the members of the [20:44] woodland park citizens and business owners that have [20:48] addressed the council also appear to be [20:52] divided against the council or the council against them [20:56] so anyway um [20:59] the lord gives a solution psalms 133 says where there is unity god [21:05] commands a blessing so um [21:08] i believe that the hearts of the council is not for division [21:13] and i would like to pray over the council so [21:17] father i just lift up the willow park city council right now in jesus name and [21:21] i thank you lord that you know their thoughts you know their hearts and [21:27] as i believe their hearts are not for division and i [21:31] thank you lord that you give them the solution that unity is a solution i [21:35] believe that they would like they they want will in part to be blessed and in [21:41] unity woodland park is blessed and the citizens and business owners of woodland [21:46] park want woodland park to be blessed so we just call upon unity and we thank you [21:53] for your blessings in jesus name amen thank you [21:57] thank you thank you [22:00] okay next i'm not sure if he's in the [22:03] audience but i do have a sign up online for justin epperson [22:10] and justin if you are on zoom can you please [22:13] just raise your hand [22:19] okay no justin [22:21] okay that's all the public comment this evening okay thank you [22:26] so we're going to move on to number seven unfinished business and that's 7a [22:31] the approval of legal services agreement between the city of woodland park [22:35] and wilson and williams llp and the reason [22:41] this has come back is because i think that council [22:44] uh had some questions um of the attorneys to get some answers [22:50] by um [22:53] some false allegations from a critic and i think that council's [22:58] had that time i don't think that we need to wait until november and i do [23:03] have something i'd like to read because i'd like the record to [23:07] accurately reflect the correct law because it was posted also [23:13] in the papers and it was inaccurate and i just [23:17] normally when it's a person's opinion or [23:20] interpretation i don't think it needs to be corrected but when it's [23:24] um presented as if it was the truth and [23:26] accurate it does need to be fixed so at the august 5th 2021 regular [23:31] meeting of the council it was alleged that the council hadn't [23:34] held an illegal executive session at its july 1st meeting and a complaint about [23:38] the quality of legal advice provided to council by our current city's attorneys [23:42] were made several members of council have asked [23:45] the attorneys to respond to these allegations regarding the legality of [23:48] the july 1st executive session and to clarify which law was misread and what [23:53] law actually applied so the purpose like i said of bringing [23:56] back the attorney's contract and what i'm about to read for the record is the [24:00] clarification of the law which was asked for by council and a clarification of [24:04] our attorney's advice during that meeting [24:06] i also want this issue clarified for the public and for the purpose of the record [24:10] there were there was false information relayed in a public meeting and [24:14] published by our local papers had it been one simple opinion or [24:18] interpretation of the law stated then there would be no need for clarification [24:23] however even the papers published these false legal [24:26] infor the false legal information and the record must be corrected and i would [24:30] like to see the attorney's contract approved this evening [24:33] so for clarification the criticism of counsel and its legal counsel began by [24:38] citing the wrong law and then proceeding to excoriate counsel for violating a law [24:43] that had no application whatsoever to what council was discussing [24:47] the critique statute cited was crs 24-6-402 [24:53] sub-section f-2 a portion of the open meeting law that [24:58] permits executive sessions to discuss public employees [25:01] this personnel matters basis for an executive session contains language [25:05] clarifying that members of the local public body who are convening the [25:09] executive session aren't personnel of the local government so discussion of [25:15] filling a vacancy on a governing body shouldn't occur in an executive session [25:20] called to discuss personal matters personnel matters [25:25] we met in executive session to discuss the [25:28] appointment to fill a vacancy and appointments to fill vacancies can and [25:32] commonly are discussed in executive sessions convened on some other basis [25:37] provided in the open meeting law under the assumption that section 402 f [25:42] applied it was also observed that it sure seemed like it was illegal [25:47] and then he encouraged council not to indulge in [25:50] technical or legal thin ice so let's clarify that the executive [25:56] session held on july 1 was not convened pursuant to section 402 f [26:01] roman numeral 2 but rather pursuant to an entirely different subsection [26:06] it applies to subsection 402b which permits executive sessions for the [26:11] purpose of receiving receiving legal advice from the city attorney [26:16] in this case concerning potential conflicts of interest of a dda board [26:20] appointee this use of an executive session is [26:24] common unremarkable and completely legal [26:29] the second criticism regarding the july 1st executive session focused on the [26:33] city our city attorney nina williams response to a question from council [26:37] member neil who asked whether going into executive session to discuss the [26:41] potential conflict was appropriate nina responded that there was a legal [26:46] basis for going into the executive session but she added in a in different [26:51] communities different councils have a different preference and customs as to [26:55] when they choose to go into executive session [26:58] nina expressed this well-understood fact by saying that different councils around [27:02] colorado have different feelings about going into executive session [27:07] in this advice nina was exactly correct the opens meeting law permits but never [27:12] requires executive sessions on specified basis [27:16] advice from attorneys or personal matters etc so municipal attorneys are [27:21] regularly asked are we permitted to go into executive session on this or that [27:26] basis attorneys are not asked do we have to [27:30] have an executive session because no one is ever required to have an executive [27:35] session council member neil's question combined is it a legal [27:40] inquiry with an is it a good idea inquiry the first inquiry is for the [27:45] lawyer to answer is it legal but the second inquiry is a policy matter for [27:50] counsel to decide not the lawyers respectfully the legal advice that nina [27:54] provided was completely correct we had the legal right to go into [27:58] executive session to seek legal advice by our attorney but did we have to no [28:05] council member zulawago could have asked his question on the diocese regarding [28:08] the conflict of interest and nina would have answered it there but instead he [28:13] asked to go into executive session which we had the legal right to ask for the [28:17] council voted on it which requires a two-thirds majority and it passed [28:22] therefore under section 402 b we adjourned temporarily into the session [28:27] nothing about it was illegal there was a grave mischaracterization of [28:32] the law and our attorney's advice in that last meeting i believe council has [28:36] now had the time to meet with and ask our attorneys to clarify what had been [28:39] misspoken and understand that the attorneys really [28:43] do know that their job that's why this contract [28:47] has been brought back before november i don't think four or more months is [28:51] needed that to see that our lawyers who have [28:54] doctorates in law and years of experience in this topic are less [28:58] competent than an untrained unexperienced critic [29:01] jeff wilson who represents us was the lead lobbyist on open meetings at the [29:05] general assembly for nearly 30 years he wrote the first and second editions of [29:10] the colorado municipal league's books on open meetings and open records of [29:14] colorado he knows our open records laws he knows the open meeting laws [29:20] and he certainly knows when we can go into executive session as does nina nina [29:25] is also an expert in land use and zoning laws and together they cover every area [29:29] of the law that we are concerned with and they come with stellar reputations [29:35] given that the correct information has now been put forth and it's understood [29:38] that nothing illegal occurred in regards to an executive session nor was there [29:42] improper legal advice given and council chose by vote to enter [29:47] executive session i would really like to recommend that we [29:51] approve this contract this evening i would like to recommend it without [29:54] further ado however if council would also like to speak i welcome that [30:00] thank you hillary [30:04] counsel anything further [30:09] it's interesting that all i hear is crickets right now [30:14] don i took your uh statement to heart and i want you to [30:18] know that i have not spoken to anyone here [30:21] not to nina not to michael [30:25] nobody about this issue after i saw the rendering [30:28] the legal opinion that hillary just saw the one correspondence i had was with [30:34] mayor pro tem labar when i [30:38] saw this on the agenda and i said do we have a problem [30:42] and the conversation we had in the in the [30:45] text was simply let's not discuss it let's [30:50] vet it in front of god and everybody and and see where it goes so i was one [30:56] that voted to hold off the um [31:00] [Music] contract uh that's how i cast my vote [31:04] last time once i saw a legal interpretation of what we were we were [31:09] being accused of i formed a different opinion on the legal services and i am [31:15] ready to cast a different vote so for the record those are all my thoughts i [31:20] have discussed this with no one [31:26] well i would like to simply start by saying [31:30] good folks can disagree and um [31:34] as technically accurate as all of what you've just read is i think that the [31:39] public perception which is what i see is that [31:44] they had no knowledge of what went on in the executive session so it would only [31:48] be speculation on their part but they sensed that something wasn't [31:53] right in the way we conducted ourselves and [31:56] that i think is the issue that underlies it [31:59] and so to [32:02] take a legal opinion against one of our citizens i get it i understand it but i [32:07] think in terms of what the undertone is what the people are seeing and saying is [32:12] we want transparency you didn't do it council and that's [32:17] something that we will pay the price for one way or another it was not done [32:21] properly it was done way out of context of how we normally do business [32:25] so have absolutely nothing against our [32:28] attorneys but my vote will reflect the fact that i thought some space since the [32:33] breathing time was a good thing and four of you did as well and i understand why [32:37] it's changed thank [32:40] you kelly or catherine i got nothing i would just say that i appreciate your [32:46] opinion robert it's not one that i share um first uh the general the person in [32:52] question is not a citizen of woodland park [32:55] as a business owner but i [32:58] have the utmost respect for this firm and think that it [33:02] the the two issues are not related and i don't see what the other issue is [33:08] because we've we have responded many times and [33:12] there was no shadows or shade for anything else [33:16] that occurred it was a vote [33:19] and [33:22] the folks that were appointed were appointed [33:25] on that vote and will move forward thank you [33:31] thank you kelly all right so then council can i get a [33:35] motion [33:40] i'll make a motion to approve the legal services agreement between the city of [33:44] woodland park and wilson and williams llp [33:48] i'll second [33:51] lavar yes nikai yes [33:54] neil yes sue lavaga [33:57] no case yes thank you motion carries 4-1 [34:04] thank you council and we're going to move on to [34:08] item number eight ordinances on initial postings eight a's to consider ordinance [34:12] number 1403 and [34:16] the presenter is nina [34:25] good evening council um this [34:28] um franchise this agreement renews the gas franchise with black hills energy [34:32] for 20 years five years the prior franchise was for 20 years [34:36] jeff wilson negotiated all terms beneficial to the city were [34:40] carried forward um they originally omitted but we made sure to get them you [34:44] know get back into the agreement just to go over a few points um the [34:49] franchise continues a three percent franchise free fee that's pretty [34:53] standard like a rental fee for the use of city streets [34:56] um for infrastructure the franchise fee is adjustable every five years if [35:01] desired some new asks from black hills in this [35:05] franchise were primarily towards cooperation when street cuts impact them [35:10] and their infrastructure and when the city projects [35:12] which city product projects require relocation of their infrastructure [35:17] i believe the uh carly dollar west is um attending via zoom if there's any other [35:22] uh questions for um her she represents the franchise [35:26] um if i have any questions or if i don't want to annoy [35:30] um no the franchise agreement is pretty much the same as it was before [35:35] with a few exceptions like nina said um just primarily oriented around the [35:39] additional proactive communication between the city and black hills energy [35:43] if a major construction project like redoing a street is [35:47] going to be happening we need to let black hills know so if they need to [35:50] relocate their their infrastructure they can do so [35:54] there's also some new language in there about [35:56] advanced communication on annexations uh the city does annex new property into [36:02] its city limits that needs to let black hills know with a little bit more [36:05] advanced notice so they can get those properties set up in their [36:08] system but pretty pretty straightforward three percent as nina said it was pretty [36:12] standard um so not not too many changes [36:17] council any questions it's been three percent as long as i've [36:21] been around a long time [36:27] i i do have a comment because i did receive a [36:30] [Music] comment from a citizen and here's some [36:33] transparency folks um patricia stinner who's sitting in the audience [36:39] helped run my campaign and she is one of my [36:45] biggest critics she will challenge me on anything [36:49] and she asked me to look into some language in this particular contract [36:54] which i did now a little bit is because i have [36:59] studied law i'm aware that you don't list [37:04] negatives i guess it's the best way and i don't know the exact legal term for it [37:07] need i'm gonna struggle a little bit you do that it has to do with [37:12] the document is giving the franchise the access over [37:16] public right of ways the question that i was asked had to do with what [37:22] about private right of ways or private [37:24] easements because [37:29] we are not specifically putting it into the contract that does not imply [37:35] that it's there so by the mere fact that it's not [37:39] in the contract it means [37:42] it's not implied that they get easements over [37:48] they have the rights to go on private easements [37:51] and i think i've captured that and i hope i've captured [37:55] the concern adequately and i've addressed it to everybody if you had a [37:59] similar concern over that language and i'm kind of a head nod are you [38:04] comfortable with the explanation okay [38:09] yeah it's up to the mayor pro tem whether [38:12] there's public comment sure that's fine you can come up to the podium if you'd [38:17] like [38:22] good evening counts good evening council citizens patricia stinner woodland park [38:28] so i hearken back to a similar franchise agreement [38:32] that it came at an awkward time for the franchise because at that time in 2015 [38:39] when peak internet approached the city [38:42] internet and fiber optics were not yet legally recognized as utilities they are [38:48] now they are legal public utility functions so um [38:53] when peak internet um [38:56] operated on their agreement with the city they did come through our public [39:00] easements and i allowed them to i invited them to [39:04] i thought that um fiber optic was going to improve [39:09] everybody's property values and it was a little intrusive they're [39:13] water boring damaged some things they did cause some erosion that they [39:17] did not come back and repair not on my property they repaired my property but i [39:22] continued to hear people complain about those two or three years when they were [39:25] active and this isn't a slight on peak internet [39:29] they certainly went through the right channels they received the city [39:32] administration permission to access the eastmans the easements were not [39:36] specifically defined nor acknowledged nor addressed [39:40] in that agreement similarly um [39:44] i don't believe private easements are addressed in the old tds agreements or [39:49] any of the other agreements um is the law has changed it's come to [39:54] my attention because i was doing my diligence and [39:57] finding out about the whole fiber optic thing coming [40:01] through my private easement and i was told five years ago that [40:06] if a subdivision is planted with utility eastmans those utility easements are [40:10] presumed to be for that development [40:13] and what we saw coming in um in 2015 2016 2017 [40:20] we saw the existing properties of northwoods [40:24] sacrificing and being burdened by um [40:27] utility installment for uh [40:31] future developments that still aren't developed [40:34] so i understand what you're saying councilman neil and i thank you on such [40:38] short notice by the way mr neil didn't get this letter until like [40:42] 15 minutes before the meeting or something it caught me by [40:46] it caught me off guard that this was going to be coming up tonight but i [40:49] think you understand my concerns the private easements were not specifically [40:54] addressed nor defined nor specifically omitted and peak internet did use our [40:58] private easements and not all citizens were okay with that i'm wondering if we [41:02] can prevent future turmoil and and i am not a no growth person as i said i [41:08] invited peak internet to come through my property [41:11] and to board through my property and to have access through my property to get [41:15] to another property and that's why i got in trouble with another developer [41:19] because they use access to my property they didn't otherwise legally have [41:24] so private easements i think should remain private [41:28] um seeing fiber optic buried in the ground is a lot different [41:32] than a gas line coming in so i asked council to please [41:36] work towards the effort of protecting our private easements in the city for [41:40] the residents of city park not just the residents but for the developers as well [41:45] and please look into that before you sign this agreement that's all i'm [41:48] asking and councilman neil thank you um i i understand what you're saying you [41:53] ask me if i accept your statement can i live with it absolutely i'm just asking [41:57] for counsel to be a little more astute and just take into consideration that [42:02] private easements might be temporarized here [42:05] mayor pro tem may i respond sure um since this is the initial posting yes [42:13] and we're going to take a vote whether to move it to the next phase [42:17] [Music] may i make a commitment to you that i [42:22] will sit with the attorney and if necessary or the [42:26] the city staff i guess it is would be the appropriate people sally i'm [42:31] kind of watching your head shake and if we need to we'll get a [42:36] zoom call and bring you in so that we if there is some language that would make [42:41] you more comfortable or we feel is appropriate i'm not making any promises [42:45] i'm just saying i'll facilitate a follow-up situation well certainly [42:50] that's all i that's more than i could ask and i'm not trying to be an [42:53] obstructionist i'm not trying to put a damper on the agreement obviously we [42:57] need that agreement right i'm just asking if we can do it better [43:01] i agreed thank you thank you thank you thank you so patricia i'd like to [43:06] pick you back on what you have a friend down in colorado springs [43:10] and he just spent ten thousand dollars on his driveway [43:14] and the [43:15] fiber optics came through and they wanted to bore through his property they [43:20] talked to him they negotiated what it was supposed to be and then when the [43:23] workers came they totally changed the plan [43:26] so the the boar which was shallower than [43:30] was proposed and it was going to affect his brand new work [43:34] so he had a heck of a fight [43:38] and as far as i know that's not even resolved yet in terms of getting [43:42] satisfaction to the protection of his own property they had the right to come [43:46] through the easement but he had no say in it so i think you're making a really [43:50] good point thank you i know that um standard by [43:54] standard anymore utilities go in through the street eastmans those are public [43:58] eastmans different from private eastmans when when you have a utility coming [44:02] through people's backyards and destroying landscape and not coming back [44:06] because there was not foresight enough to put [44:11] repercussions in for the utility that came through what if you damaged [44:15] property you're going to fix it that wasn't in there it was never addressed [44:19] so again i'm not trying to be an obstructionist to [44:22] black hills energy to come through they need to develop we have populations [44:25] growing i'm just asking for city council to please put some thought into [44:29] protecting our private easements we do have public right-of-ways most paved [44:34] streets and even dirt alleys have easements that are broader than the [44:38] street itself and perhaps your friend's driveway was paid over one of those [44:41] eastmans i don't know the city there was a sidewalk easement okay well in a [44:45] sidewalk is a public right-of-way so anyway i appreciate that council let me [44:49] come in tonight and speak i wasn't expecting to [44:52] so and thank you councilman neal for [44:54] bringing it up thank you robert also [44:58] and i'll be willing to anything that i do [45:02] definitely a chair because i think your concerns are very valid also [45:07] we can work kind of with the attorneys in the cities [45:11] well well i have a second i have a second question i don't know if this is [45:15] directed at you michael or with this is in the law of it [45:19] so this has been going for 25 years they have a three percent fee that they um [45:24] pay us for that use has a costing been done by the [45:29] treasury by the uh finance department to see whether that is offsetting the cost [45:35] to the city and whether that is still a profitable margin or a fair margin for [45:40] the city or we just assume three percent is fine and we're just going ahead [45:46] as far as i know there's been no analysis done i'm not sure [45:50] if it's possible to quantify the impact this is a rent it's not like a [45:56] construction project or something that we're incurring costs that need to be [46:00] covered it's a rental for the use of our public right-of-ways [46:06] so it's not a cost recovery [46:09] position does that make sense for you it makes [46:13] sense but it doesn't cost us anything when they come in and use that easement [46:16] does it cost the city any money at any point i think so no okay well i could [46:21] that's and it's just generally to recoup the cost of wear and [46:25] tear on city infrastructures generally what franchise views are [46:33] anything further needed [46:36] oh um yes i know you know rust is gonna speak with sally to explain and you'll [46:40] sit down um you know with your constituents but i just wanted to point [46:43] out you know this is an agreement with the city and [46:46] in in the first section franchise granted it's um granted [46:52] on president future streets alleys avenues [46:54] bridges public right-of-ways and public easements [46:58] um of the city so it it it it uh [47:03] quantifies or explains that it's the public yeah anything public [47:07] so then the question is quite like it's been presented here when it comes to [47:12] having to go across private land what is the protocol what's the law [47:18] say in terms of that access what if what if for example [47:22] mrs sinner said no uh i don't want you doing that this time [47:25] what would be the impact the city said yes but the private [47:29] uh homeowner said no well we're granting the franchise on [47:33] public streets right-of-ways um i can't speak to the um each individual prior [47:39] property because they might already have utility easements that are on the [47:42] property when they purchased the property but um [47:46] so does that make that utility easement is the city easement shared with the [47:50] homeowner so it's a moot point is that really the point [47:54] it depends on each property but we'll have a better um [47:57] i guess explanation point out you know which sections [48:01] have this type of provision that makes make sure that everyone is comfortable [48:05] fully comfortable that it's over public right-of-ways and [48:09] public easements that already exist all right it's fine [48:16] i just don't i i guess i'm having struggling to see where our authority [48:21] lies in private easements i have a private utility easement on my [48:27] private property and if there's something going through [48:31] there i'm notified of that but i knew that [48:35] that easement was there when i purchased the property [48:39] and so i accepted the property with that knowledge and condition of the property [48:44] and know that i can't put any permanent structures there that would inhibit [48:49] the access of utilities to run through there [48:52] because it is a use and it's recorded it's on the plat it's a utility easement [48:57] so i struggled to see the relevance of the city's public right [49:02] of ways which this franchise agreement addresses [49:06] and the public right or the private right of ways because i don't see them [49:10] as being related i agree [49:16] this is the 25 year old contract and um once again uh only because i know [49:23] personally miss dinner has an issue at her is that your backyard side yard [49:28] whatever between you and your backyard and it's a huge beagle pit now i don't [49:33] know whether the cause of that was by a utilities company or not but [49:38] if it's been 25 years and we haven't challenged how it's happening and there [49:42] is an issue like if you want to explain what's in your backyard go ahead but or [49:47] on in that easement area there but uh from what i know that the city can't get [49:52] in there and fix it i don't know all the details of it but it's like [49:56] it's it's an issue to those homeowners and it's not resolved so if what this 25 [50:01] year old contract is plays into some of those things that aren't being resolved [50:06] is it value to look at it that's smiling yeah and we would have as a city as xero [50:09] saying we don't have the authority to um grant anything over a private easement [50:14] and this is clear that it's above streets alleys avenues bridges public [50:18] right-of-ways and public easements i can't say that i know my property this [50:21] utility easements over that i purchased you know with the knowledge of but [50:25] that's not a city easement over the private property this is you know [50:29] the city's is con is um the party to this contract and [50:34] when it's versus franchise granted it's clear that it's only public right of [50:38] ways in fact it says public ease and doesn't [50:41] include private easings we have no rights you know um [50:44] to that streets alleys avenues bridges public right aways and public easements [50:48] okay that's true it's clearly not it's not private and [50:51] trish understand i'm not belittling or making any less of your concerns by any [50:56] way i just think that they belong in a different place [51:00] because this is strictly over public um right-of-way easements and access [51:06] thank you councilman case i i understand the intent um of of your comment again [51:12] i repeat private property [51:16] was not specifically addressed in the peak internet negotiations they [51:22] came through private property and citizens did not have a say about it now [51:27] most citizens were it just like myself it wasn't a problem the drainage thing [51:32] that's a problem but that came that preceded me okay so i [51:37] bought the property like you know about your easements what we're finding in [51:41] colorado law and this is something i'm not an attorney and i'm not going to [51:44] pretend to be one but one of the issues i would like to see council [51:48] address or at least entertain and consider is easement law has changed in [51:53] colorado with the introduction of the expansion of fracking [51:57] what used to be of easement in perpetuity in colorado law apparently is [52:01] no longer in perpetuity it has a lifespan of 15 to 20 years therefore if [52:06] you're in a subdivision that was planted into the years 2000 or earlier [52:11] and those utility easements have not been built there's no infrastructure [52:15] within the easement those property owners could very well [52:18] come to you and say my attorney's recommending that i close [52:22] off that easement and for peak internet would i do that no [52:26] i invited them on to my property for a gas line i might think twice [52:30] also [52:39] thank you [52:42] okay council can i get emotions [52:47] no it's a long one but i'll go ahead and make it [52:52] i'd like to make a motion to [52:57] approve the initial posting of ordinance number [53:01] 1403 series 2021 granting black hills colorado gas [53:06] incorporated dba black hills energy it's leasing successors and assigns a natural [53:12] gas franchise and the authority to construct operate [53:16] maintain and extend a natural gas distribution plant and system [53:20] granting the right to use the streets alleys and other public places within [53:25] the present or future corporate limits of the city of woodland park consent the [53:29] public hearing for september 2nd 2021 very good [53:34] i'll second [53:37] nikai yes neil yes [53:41] yes yes [53:44] yes thank you motion carries unanimously thank you [53:48] moving on to nine public hearings we've got 9a for um to approve number 1401 [53:54] series 2021 an ordinance approving the purchase of certain water shares and kip [53:58] wiley is presenting thank you council before you tonight [54:02] ordinance 1401 um as you recall on august 5th 2021 you rep you approved [54:08] resolution 878 for the purchase of this water share and this is coming back [54:13] forward forward to you because water shares are considered real property and [54:18] you need to accept it as that real property so [54:21] before you tonight and i recommend an approval of ordinance 1401 for the [54:26] 0.6 shares in twin lakes reservoir in colorado canal company and [54:32] recommend approval after the public hearing [54:36] council any questions or comments [54:40] seeing none can i get a motion please [54:46] it's okay suzanne do you have anyone online no man okay is there anyone in [54:50] the audience seeing none [54:55] may i have a motion i'll make a motion to approve num to approve number 1401 [55:01] series 2021 and ordinance approving the purchase of certain water shares [55:09] i did you you know you don't have to read the [55:11] whole thing can i get a second [55:15] oh i'll second it [55:18] neil [55:25] yes thank you emotion gears unanimously thank you thank you [55:31] and now moving on to nine b's approval of ordinance 1402 series 2021 to vacate [55:37] common lot lines and the presenter is sally riley [55:43] and i'd just like to briefly remind council this is quasi-judicial please [55:48] stick to this topic and this topic only thank you mayor protem [55:53] labar this is ordinance 1402 to vacate a [55:59] common lot line between [56:02] and easements between lot 14 c in fairway pines filing number 2c [56:10] which is 240 iron eagle point [56:14] and lot 15 which is fairway pines filing number two [56:21] and addressed as 250 eagle iron eagle point [56:26] as requested by john paul and jill shulman [56:30] they are the property owners and this is in a pud [56:35] in fairway pines [56:39] so sharing the exhibit [56:42] this is a private access easement that [56:48] dead ends so to speak at these two lots the shulmans have purchased both lot 14c [56:57] and lot 15 they intend to build a home [57:01] after these lots are combined so as a result [57:06] the common lot line and the easements these are public easements across [57:12] private property are proposed to be vacated [57:19] uh i think the shulmans were going to be here but i'm not [57:25] right right behind me [57:28] so the owners are here if you have any questions of them staff does recommend [57:34] approval and all the utility companies have reviewed this as well as our own [57:41] staff and recommend approval thank you council just briefly for the [57:46] record i did sell those lots but i worked for the [57:51] seller not the buyers and i have no interest in these lots whatsoever so i [57:56] just want that on the record um council do you have any questions or [58:00] comments or would you like to hear from the party at all [58:04] well i think for the record i think i've met them [58:07] and they don't even know it i've walked my dog by their you you have that [58:12] little rv right now yeah we're future neighbors [58:16] um hello so full disclosure [58:21] they're my neighbor [Music] [58:25] very good council can i get a motion for approval then publication [58:30] oh public hearing every time every time [58:35] we're here for you suzanne do you have anyone online no ma'am okay is there [58:39] anyone in the audience seeing none [58:43] now may i please have the motion i'll make a motion to approve ordinance [58:47] 1402 series 2021 [58:52] to vacate the common lot line in public utilities and drainage of private access [58:56] easements as described in the presentation by the [59:00] planning director [59:06] yes yes [59:09] lavar yes nikai yes neil yes thank you motion carries unanimously [59:16] thank you thanks sally [59:20] all right moving on to 10 new business we have 10a approval of resolution [59:24] number 881 and kip wiley's presenting that as well [59:30] thank you before council's resolution 881 to [59:34] allocate 32 taps to a this project on brecken heights now [59:40] the reason this comes to council is any multi-family project triplex or larger [59:45] tabs can be allocated because in 1997 our tap management plan limited the [59:50] number of taps you could sell to a developer or a builder in any given [59:55] month and this allows for multi-family projects to build [59:59] multiple units at the same time [1:00:02] so before you tonight is 32 taps these taps would come out of the [1:00:07] multi-family bank currently the multi-family bank has 64 taps in it [1:00:13] where do we get those taps those come from the single family bank so [1:00:17] council also has to approve transfer from the single family bank to the [1:00:22] multi-family bank first of the year when we did the [1:00:26] the annual allotment we had around [1:00:29] 503 taps don't quote me on the number in the single-family bank and we had [1:00:37] we had additional taps in the multi-family bank but to date uh council [1:00:41] has already approved eight multi-family taps for um a project on [1:00:47] baldwin street uh and then this would also come out of the same bank [1:00:51] uh what's interesting i was just telling sally is it's the [1:00:55] year of 32 we've sold 32 taps so far this year we are requesting 32 taps for [1:01:01] this project and we have 32 tabs left in the multiple bank [1:01:05] so good job yeah kind of interesting fact [1:01:09] sorry um [1:01:11] [Music] so uh [1:01:13] the developer has requested these taps there is a list of criteria that have [1:01:17] were established there are 11 criteria and then the staff report i went through [1:01:21] in indicated which criterias they met they [1:01:26] they met most of the criteria not all but most there is no [1:01:30] uh definition on if they even have to meet them all or any so it is up to [1:01:35] council's decision on whether or not to allocate these taps to this project [1:01:40] this project is 16 duplexes that are built on a crawl space they [1:01:45] consist of about 1400 square feet [1:01:49] 484 square feet of garage space it's approximately a two-car garage [1:01:54] there are two floor plans available that include two or three bedroom units with [1:01:58] two bathrooms next year finishes will be stucco and [1:02:02] stone and available in earth tone colors [1:02:07] wrecking court also will be a road that's put in with five [1:02:10] foot sidewalks and access to additional sidewalks that are in the [1:02:15] area with connection to [1:02:18] across the street which would be walmart i'm here to answer any questions but [1:02:23] staff has looked at this and recommends approval [1:02:25] uh for the 32 tap allocations [1:02:30] chair council yeah i have one question kip uh on the [1:02:34] um the background information that was [1:02:37] provided under the conditions of approval there's a sentence that says [1:02:41] the developer is requesting the approval of 53 water tap allocations for the [1:02:46] multi-family project um can you connect the dots in my head [1:02:51] 53 versus the 32 yep that is a typo in my staff report the resolution is [1:02:56] correct uh so thank you for pointing that out and i swear i put in 32 months [1:03:02] okay so 32 is that number correct way to go [1:03:07] i just have one comment just for the record um this development is going in [1:03:11] across the park from my house so if anybody thinks i'm going to be biased [1:03:14] let me know [1:03:18] so um back to your 32 so do you see any other [1:03:23] development happening that's going to require more allocation multi-family [1:03:27] caps this year great question uh if my crystal ball was [1:03:32] that clear i would not be sitting here um however what is interesting about [1:03:36] this project and i failed to point this out is the developer actually could [1:03:40] build up to 80 units on two lots here they are [1:03:44] basically dedicating one lot to the city that they could have built a number of [1:03:48] lock or units on and then even this lot one where the 32 units are going they [1:03:53] could build up to i believe it was 46 so we are actually [1:03:57] getting units back into our bank with this development [1:04:01] yeah i recall when this was before us a while ago i i like this development i [1:04:04] thought it was very very sound so [1:04:08] my question was simply with regards know forward moving [1:04:12] it simply means it's got to come back to council to allocate more into [1:04:15] multi-family if there's going to be more this year uh for a different development [1:04:19] for any other for any other project yeah anything triplex or larger okay [1:04:23] great no other questions thank you counsel anything further [1:04:29] can i get a motion public hearing [1:04:32] suzanne do you have anyone no ma'am [1:04:35] is there anyone in the audience okay seeing none now they have a motion [1:04:42] i will move to approve resolution number 881 series 2021 [1:04:47] establishing 32 multi-family residential water tap allotments for lot line of [1:04:51] breaking heights [1:05:03] yes thank you motion cares unanimously excellent [1:05:09] council we're at number 11 already that's six minutes remember i said [1:05:14] because no it won't be 30 minutes all right so rondo 11 reports [1:05:21] i don't have any special announcements just um the motorcycle that's right yeah [1:05:26] the veterans rally uh is um saturday and i think tomorrow well as [1:05:33] well it's also tomorrow yeah so i was going to give that to you so i'm happy [1:05:37] too good um the 39th annual [1:05:42] 2021 salute to american veterans rally and [1:05:46] the [1:05:49] uh is it the 30th 29th uh pow mia recognition ride to [1:05:55] creek or through creek is this weekend beginning tomorrow afternoon [1:06:01] um they will have the red t-shirt giveaway [1:06:05] in the park you'll probably notice there were some tents and things going up in [1:06:09] the north end of the park in preparation for the rally [1:06:14] it's it's a [1:06:16] very timely celebration of our veterans in our [1:06:21] community in our state in our country we've seen some pretty disturbing things [1:06:27] as of late going on and [1:06:31] i think there's a number of veterans that have served that are [1:06:34] feeling some disappointment or some different feelings right now so it's a [1:06:39] great opportunity to honor those that have served [1:06:43] and protected our freedoms there will be a [1:06:47] boatload of them here over the weekend so please thank them when you see them [1:06:52] for their service join us if you can the tomorrow [1:06:56] afternoon is friday in the park there's vendors there's going to and saturday is [1:07:01] the ride we are gathering between 7 30 the ride [1:07:05] will leave probably at 10 o'clock the last [1:07:08] registered motorcycle will be ryder will be at night at [1:07:13] 9 30 promptly leaving at 10. the roads will be blocked and highway 24 [1:07:19] blocked from 9 30 until about 10 45 i believe so plan accordingly [1:07:26] we all know that we all know how to get around town without the use of 24. [1:07:31] um go east and you'll get behind them um and then the rally in town on [1:07:38] saturday and the ceremonies they are actually giving away a [1:07:42] modified motorcycle three-wheeler for a veteran [1:07:47] that has many different special needs they've [1:07:51] flown him in i believe from chicago to honor him by presenting that motorcycle [1:07:56] to him getting him back on the road um here at our rally so that'll be a a [1:08:02] tear jerker i'm sure and then [1:08:06] there will be bands there will be a beer garden there will [1:08:10] be vendors and good camaraderie and opportunities [1:08:15] to thank those that have served our country so i hope to see you all there [1:08:19] i won't be riding this year but [1:08:22] look forward to celebrating with everyone [1:08:25] thank you hillary catherine i don't have anything [1:08:32] i had two liaison meetings the first one was a special [1:08:36] meeting for the historic preservation committee on [1:08:40] august 9th it was a very simple meeting in which a historical building [1:08:46] located at 720 west highway 24 was requesting to re-roof [1:08:52] uh the building it was approved that's all i have for the historic [1:08:56] preservation um in terms of the dda we had a meeting [1:09:00] this past tuesday it was [1:09:03] a little confusing at first it was going to be a workshop that it [1:09:07] was announced as a special meeting we did go through the process [1:09:11] of voting to make sure went back to a workshop [1:09:15] status officially no business was conducted there was a [1:09:18] lot of topics that [1:09:24] are under consideration nothing [1:09:27] that i i'm going to go into any depth for sake of time [1:09:40] um yeah firstly with regards to the [1:09:43] veterans rally if any of you know any veterans who are struggling with [1:09:48] post-traumatic syndrome or depression or suicide or [1:09:52] anything like that one of our prior council members paul [1:09:56] sonja is part of a team who's organizing a [1:10:00] retreat fishing kayaking stuff like that [1:10:04] i'm not sure when the the closure date of applications is but it's coming up [1:10:08] here in september the events coming up september so if you [1:10:12] do want to refer somebody either [1:10:15] contact me or paul paul paul probably is a direct one but if you don't have his [1:10:19] contact information um [1:10:22] secondly i also i'm excited to see how uh this [1:10:27] maiden voyage for the veterans rally uh flies here in uh woodham park so [1:10:33] it'll be an experiment and the debriefing afterwards to see how how uh [1:10:38] we all do with it so i welcome them with open arms and look forward to what's [1:10:42] going to happen as far as the ppacg [1:10:47] some interesting workshops been happening uh this week [1:10:51] educating coloradans about some laws that are coming down with regards [1:10:55] electric vehicles with regards uh transport train transport and stuff like [1:10:59] that um [1:11:02] a little disturbing a number of us were concerned that these mandates are coming [1:11:05] down from the state to turn the state majority of electric vehicles in a short [1:11:12] period of time and forgetting the fact that as a at [1:11:16] least one of my concerns was you start making all these electric [1:11:20] vehicles well all the all the batteries are [1:11:23] manufactured in china so what's that do for uh energy [1:11:28] independence what's that do for uh security [1:11:31] secondly is all issue of the disposal of the batteries um you know nothing said [1:11:35] about it oh yeah it's free energy it's it's clean energy but it's not when you [1:11:39] look at the recycle end of it so those issues haven't really been discussed [1:11:44] and uh there was a number of people on the ppa [1:11:48] zg who had different tactful questions about where this is all going [1:11:54] so that's one and then of course like here we are where it's so cold a [1:11:58] battery's supposed to last 300 300 miles but when it gets cold it's not going to [1:12:03] go that far and just imagine yourself in a snow drift with your battery going [1:12:07] flat so there's a few things that don't seem to be worked out but it's coming [1:12:11] our way the second one is electric train or not [1:12:13] electric trains uh is trains across the state and there's a whole deal with [1:12:19] what that infrastructure is going to look like it's not going to affect us [1:12:22] but anyway that's all from ppacg [1:12:26] and i like oh bye [1:12:31] i did forget one thing for my ladies [1:12:34] and it didn't occur during the workshop but as a liaison [1:12:39] i wanted to report that elijah murphy did resign effective yesterday [1:12:45] for the reasons that he stated uh at the last council meeting i had reached out [1:12:50] to him and asked him to reconsider i think he's got some concerns that i [1:12:54] too have and was hoping that we could put both [1:12:58] sides of you know the division of the city into the room and work together and [1:13:03] work through it to see that people on both sides are [1:13:06] hardworking he reconsidered but still uh stood on his resignation and it was [1:13:12] effective as of yesterday very good and suzanne that reminds us that we need to [1:13:17] advertise both positions now thank you thank you [1:13:21] all right nina [1:13:25] i don't have a report but i just want to thank the council for their faith in us [1:13:29] for the city attorney um when we first were asked to apply in february a lot of [1:13:33] people warned us about the challenge but it's something that isn't [1:13:36] the least but it's something that's important um [1:13:40] to us it's part of our mission why we do this work um especially where we embrace [1:13:44] the challenge but also where we see that there's um [1:13:48] you know the impact that you're all collectively making and you are all are [1:13:51] um you know really making steps [1:13:54] good really good steps to for that towards your community and you have a [1:13:57] really good staff that we're also honored to work with um [1:14:01] so thank you very much and also i think you all met elliott brownies our new [1:14:04] attorney so now [1:14:06] he's uh started we had meetings about half the day with different staff and [1:14:10] working on different um things so we we really enjoy working [1:14:14] here and um thank you thank you nina is he old enough to have [1:14:18] gone to school and really graduated [1:14:21] he didn't know what e.t was [Laughter] [1:14:26] but that's a compliment yes he's he's um i've been a lawyer about two years um [1:14:30] graduated from colorado so nice yeah very good welcome [1:14:35] and yes welcome let me get you [1:14:41] um so first a question for the council very [1:14:43] important question what is the difference between a well-dressed man on [1:14:46] a bicycle and a poorly dressed man on a tricycle [1:14:52] one wheel a tire [1:15:08] um in a little bit more serious vayne um [1:15:11] [Music] if you'd like to know more about the [1:15:14] veterans rally uh there's a really helpful website the [1:15:18] veteransrally.org uh has a lot of details about the ride itself it has a [1:15:22] very well detailed program in terms of the timing and everything [1:15:27] and i believe routes may be on here as well a list of closures and locations of [1:15:31] closures are on the city's website citydashwoodlandpark.org so some some [1:15:36] final helpful resources for you um [1:15:40] we are full on the citizens academy we [1:15:44] filled up quite quickly and so uh we do have a waiting list the waiting list is [1:15:48] also quite long um but you know there's always a chance [1:15:51] um but we we thank folks who have signed up and taken interest in that that's [1:15:55] really exciting um the keep woodland park beautiful [1:15:59] community cleanup is saturday august 28th [1:16:02] uh from 9 to 12 registration will start at 8 30 in the [1:16:06] morning at the upass cultural center uh midland [1:16:10] pavilion so we'll get another [1:16:13] shot at cleaning up our community went really well last time we hope to see you [1:16:17] there thank you for considering that and then finally a really exciting note [1:16:22] to end on sales tax and lodging tax that you know it actually is kind of [1:16:26] exciting in a sense the city is doing uh pretty [1:16:29] well in these areas sales tax year to date is up 13.4 [1:16:34] percent over 2020. um [1:16:38] things slowed down a little bit in may of this year uh you know 7.6 percent [1:16:43] growth in me i'm still pretty good but we've in june we started seeing this [1:16:48] double-digit year-over-year growth again so um things continue to do well here [1:16:54] um i know that there was a 15.8 percent [1:16:57] increase over june of last year for sales tax just for the month of june [1:17:01] um as we all know and probably are feeling at this point inflation's a big [1:17:05] part of that um [1:17:08] the consumer price index increased 5.4 over the 12 months prior which is the [1:17:12] biggest increase uh since august of 2008 [1:17:16] and so um i i found uh some [1:17:21] yes yes i found it interesting that uh the price [1:17:24] for used cars has increased 41.7 percent over 12 months prior [1:17:30] um sell our cars sell our houses i just [1:17:34] will just have to walk and i can't help you with that yes [1:17:40] yes um [1:17:42] and so energy costs obviously are going up across the board to regardless of [1:17:46] what they are so um on lodging tax it's it's much the [1:17:50] same story uh year to date we're up 68 and a half percent uh through the end of [1:17:54] june over 2020 um we're gonna start to see some kind of [1:17:59] stabilization uh in that [1:18:02] lodging tax we were having triple digit growth over last year because if you all [1:18:08] recall we've told you for months about microtel opening and then having this [1:18:12] lodging rev software system uh to better capture watching tax revenues well it's [1:18:17] been a year since then and so we're kind of we're kind of doing one of these [1:18:20] leveling off things um that said we we still have lodging [1:18:24] tax increase by uh 10.7 percent in the month of june [1:18:30] well and wasn't lodging still closed down pretty much at this point last year [1:18:35] or had we started to open again i don't remember [1:18:39] you know we forget those awful things that happen in our lives dad miller is [1:18:44] shaking her head no thank you were we okay [1:18:48] thank you so much she should have known she would know [1:18:53] so even better news on that point so people are coming to win the park [1:18:57] they're staying in woodland park and hopefully well they're spending money in [1:18:59] woodland park i mean here it is so um and that's uh that those those are [1:19:04] the highlights we do of course have supporting documentation uh if you like [1:19:09] that's all i got [1:19:14] the finance directors oh [1:19:17] our brand new finance director this is dave four from mr vasilati he has joined [1:19:21] us online um he's jumping in with both feet [1:19:26] hair on fire no doubt but he's got a great attitude you never [1:19:29] know it um i don't know if aaron can speak but uh i don't know if i want to [1:19:34] put him on the spot either but uh um he [1:19:39] uh aaron is is working remotely for us at the time as as all of us know it's [1:19:44] kind of difficult to find housing in this area [1:19:46] uh right now and so he's working through that he's doing his best but uh he's [1:19:50] he's already made great contributions he's [1:19:53] teaching me stuff about accounting already um and so i'm grateful for that [1:19:57] in a matter of speaking um [1:20:00] but he he knows it all so we're grateful to have him [1:20:03] awesome great anything further [1:20:08] all right and this meeting is adjourned