1 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:08,480 Welcome. 2 00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:10,880 Thank you. Welcome to city council 3 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:14,160 meeting. We are glad that you're here. 4 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:16,400 This is way more than we normally have 5 00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:18,560 and that's okay. This is all part of the 6 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:21,359 process. Um, sorry. I'm just trying to 7 00:00:21,359 --> 00:00:23,840 make sure that I'm connected so that I 8 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:28,640 can see who's online also. 9 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:42,470 One second. 10 00:00:42,480 --> 00:00:49,110 I know everybody's done. 11 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:51,280 Okay. Um we're just going to follow the 12 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:54,079 agenda. Our first um thing on the agenda 13 00:00:54,079 --> 00:00:57,199 tonight is an invocation and pledge of 14 00:00:57,199 --> 00:00:59,600 allegiance um given and led by Council 15 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:03,510 Member Peterson. 16 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:05,760 » Father God, we are so grateful for this 17 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:08,400 amazing country and a 18 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:11,040 wonderful city 19 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:13,360 >> that we live in. We are grateful for the 20 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:16,799 opportunity we have to speak up and 21 00:01:16,799 --> 00:01:19,040 share our opinions. 22 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:21,600 We pray for an added measure of kindness 23 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:23,280 and civility and understanding this 24 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:25,119 night. That we'll be able to express our 25 00:01:25,119 --> 00:01:28,159 concerns in a kind and respectful way 26 00:01:28,159 --> 00:01:30,080 and that we will be have a greater 27 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:32,079 capacity to listen and to learn from 28 00:01:32,079 --> 00:01:34,560 each other so that we may best serve the 29 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:36,799 needs of our community today and 30 00:01:36,799 --> 00:01:39,600 tomorrow. We are grateful for this 31 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:41,520 amazing 32 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:44,159 opportunity and ask that thou will bless 33 00:01:44,159 --> 00:01:45,920 it with 34 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:47,680 thy grace and thy love. And we say these 35 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:49,119 things in our savior's name, Jesus 36 00:01:49,119 --> 00:01:50,960 Christ. Amen. 37 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:54,469 >> Please stand. 38 00:01:54,479 --> 00:01:57,680 Ready to begin. 39 00:01:57,680 --> 00:02:00,640 >> To the flag of the United States of 40 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:03,920 America and to the republic for which it 41 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:07,200 stands. One nation under God, 42 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:09,920 indivisible, with liberty and justice 43 00:02:09,920 --> 00:02:23,270 for all. 44 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:27,840 Okay. Um, so our agenda tonight is 45 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:31,040 fairly simple. We have fairly simple. It 46 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:33,519 looks long. Um, there's a whole bunch of 47 00:02:33,519 --> 00:02:36,720 things that we have to uh follow by 48 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:38,879 statute in order to go through this 49 00:02:38,879 --> 00:02:40,720 process and make sure that we check all 50 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:42,319 the boxes so that we've followed what 51 00:02:42,319 --> 00:02:46,080 the statute is. Um but really um we have 52 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:49,120 two items. We have the presentation of 53 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:53,840 our fiscal year 27 budget and um then 54 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:56,319 the truth and taxation process which 55 00:02:56,319 --> 00:03:00,720 will include a public hearing. So with 56 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:03,360 that um 57 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:05,120 let me just kind of outline the way that 58 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:06,959 it's going to work. We're going to I'll 59 00:03:06,959 --> 00:03:08,640 turn the time over to Bryce Hatterley, 60 00:03:08,640 --> 00:03:11,280 our city administrator, and he will walk 61 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:13,440 us through the presentation. 62 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:17,599 um when he and and we won't take it's not intended to be a public comment 63 00:03:17,599 --> 00:03:19,519 period or have questions during that 64 00:03:19,519 --> 00:03:22,319 presentation. Um this is the part where 65 00:03:22,319 --> 00:03:23,760 he goes through and make sure we check 66 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:26,640 all the boxes. When we get done with his 67 00:03:26,640 --> 00:03:28,640 presentation, 68 00:03:28,640 --> 00:03:31,360 um then we will have the public hearing 69 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:37,760 and I will outline some of um just our process of how we'll go through the 70 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:39,120 public hearing to make sure that 71 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:42,000 everybody can have their voice heard. um 72 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:44,560 when we get done with the presentation. 73 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:48,000 So with that, Bryce, I'm gonna turn the 74 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:50,640 time over to you. 75 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:54,560 Thank you, Mayor. Let me get my 76 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:57,760 screen shared here. 77 00:03:57,760 --> 00:03:59,680 As you said, this evening, we have a 78 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:01,040 series of steps that we have to go 79 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:02,799 through according to the state law to 80 00:04:02,799 --> 00:04:05,760 comply with um those requirements. So 81 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:07,680 I'll begin with the first one which is 82 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:10,000 agenda item 2A presentation of the 83 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:12,159 proposed FY27 final budget for the 84 00:04:12,159 --> 00:04:14,400 general fund and other funds. I'm not 85 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:16,079 going to force you to go through each 86 00:04:16,079 --> 00:04:18,320 page by page because it's the interim 87 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:21,600 budget with the following changes. Uh in 88 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:23,759 line 1031100 89 00:04:23,759 --> 00:04:26,639 we had a reduction in revenue of 90 00:04:26,639 --> 00:04:29,120 $75,198. 91 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:31,360 Um that's the state tax commission as 92 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:33,600 they do the final calculations. 93 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:35,199 It's always a fuzzy number that moves up 94 00:04:35,199 --> 00:04:38,639 and down and um it reduce by that amount 95 00:04:38,639 --> 00:04:41,120 of money and I can share that in a 96 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:46,000 little bit. Um item line item 10311 is a 97 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:47,759 requirement by state law that we 98 00:04:47,759 --> 00:04:51,680 continue to hold the $995,285 99 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:54,720 in a uh reserve revenue account and that 100 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:57,199 continues to be there. However, um 101 00:04:57,199 --> 00:04:59,600 because of the way the state um tax 102 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:01,680 commission website calculates the 103 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:04,720 percent the rate, um it's slightly 104 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:07,440 higher than the $994,249 105 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:09,120 that we had in the interim budget 106 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:11,199 because we just didn't have that number. 107 00:05:11,199 --> 00:05:14,400 So, it's a little over $1,000 more, but 108 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:16,240 that's because the state tax commission 109 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:18,960 website does that final calculation. 110 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:21,680 1031300 111 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:24,560 uh is an anticipated $25,000 increase in 112 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:26,960 sales tax revenue that as Brian's been 113 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:29,840 looking at our end of year um believes 114 00:05:29,840 --> 00:05:32,240 that we will increase by that amount 115 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:33,919 over what we projected earlier in the 116 00:05:33,919 --> 00:05:38,000 year. Uh line item 1032100 is a $5,000 117 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:39,440 increase in business license fee 118 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:44,160 revenue. And then the final number um 10 119 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:48,479 I'm sorry 1039300 is a $29,358 120 00:05:48,479 --> 00:05:50,080 increase in the general fund from other 121 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:53,039 funds. This is where the water fund, 122 00:05:53,039 --> 00:05:57,120 this um garbage and storm drain all 123 00:05:57,120 --> 00:05:59,680 contribute money to the general fund 124 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:01,840 because we provide services for them. So 125 00:06:01,840 --> 00:06:03,840 we have a calculation based on the 126 00:06:03,840 --> 00:06:06,319 budget sizes that dictate uh that amount 127 00:06:06,319 --> 00:06:08,000 of money. And so when we had the final 128 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:10,000 wages and everything, Brian was able to 129 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:11,840 make that final calculation and so that 130 00:06:11,840 --> 00:06:15,120 increased the general fund revenue. Um, 131 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:16,960 continuing on, adjustments to salaries, 132 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:19,199 retirement workers compensation, group 133 00:06:19,199 --> 00:06:21,600 health insurance. So all of the benefits 134 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:24,080 u were finally adjusted once we had the 135 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:27,759 final uh rates from the trust for our t 136 00:06:27,759 --> 00:06:30,479 uh workers compensation and other 137 00:06:30,479 --> 00:06:32,479 insuranceances and the final salaries 138 00:06:32,479 --> 00:06:34,080 were set. So there was adjustments in 139 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:36,720 each one of the budgets for those. We 140 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:39,120 made a slight increase of $20,000 to 141 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:41,680 computer system support based on what 142 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:43,680 our expenses are coming in at the end of 143 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:47,520 the FY26 budget. We made an increase to 144 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:49,440 insurance lines per Utah local 145 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:52,400 government's trust. Uh $500 decrease in 146 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:54,880 the post office expense. Capital 147 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:57,520 projects increases were u appropriated 148 00:06:57,520 --> 00:06:59,360 each budget based on the last meeting 149 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:01,840 where you approved those that list and 150 00:07:01,840 --> 00:07:04,960 that's attached to the budget. Uh line 151 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:06,800 1062310 152 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:09,599 is a $38,57 153 00:07:09,599 --> 00:07:11,039 increase from the fire department. 154 00:07:11,039 --> 00:07:13,440 That's the annual uh payment that we 155 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:16,319 make to them and we just got that number 156 00:07:16,319 --> 00:07:17,520 after the interim. 157 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:19,280 >> That's in addition to what we 158 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:22,400 >> to what we paid the previous year. Yes. 159 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:24,319 >> And then as a result of that and all the 160 00:07:24,319 --> 00:07:27,199 capital projects, the fund balance um 161 00:07:27,199 --> 00:07:31,589 came down to $157,335. 162 00:07:31,599 --> 00:07:36,960 So you will see that in the um 163 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:39,360 final budget that's in your packet and 164 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:41,759 you can see those lines identified as 165 00:07:41,759 --> 00:07:43,199 you go down through. Now there's also 166 00:07:43,199 --> 00:07:44,560 some other increases and some of the 167 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:46,080 utilities and things for the same types 168 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:48,400 of things like wages and things of that 169 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:50,160 nature. 170 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:53,919 So any questions on that 171 00:07:53,919 --> 00:07:56,160 budget adjustments? Okay. No. 172 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:58,080 >> The next requirement under 2B is a 173 00:07:58,080 --> 00:07:59,520 statement of the dollar amount of the 174 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:01,919 additional adorum tax revenue that would 175 00:08:01,919 --> 00:08:03,759 be generated each year by the proposed 176 00:08:03,759 --> 00:08:06,960 increase in the certified tax rate. 177 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:08,800 Early in the year, we had to estimate 178 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:10,800 with the best information we had and 179 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:13,120 knowing what we anticipated the bond 180 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:15,599 payments to be for the building uh if 181 00:08:15,599 --> 00:08:17,840 this is approved. We had set an amount 182 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:20,960 of $994,249 183 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:22,560 and that was what was identified in the 184 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:25,280 property tax impact schedule. Again, 185 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:29,680 when we calculated to the closest digit 186 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:31,919 um and it's six digits long in the 187 00:08:31,919 --> 00:08:34,640 property tax rate, um the closest number 188 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:38,479 that came to is 995,285. 189 00:08:38,479 --> 00:08:41,039 So, there's that slight variation, but 190 00:08:41,039 --> 00:08:42,640 we can't change what the state tax 191 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:44,159 commission tells us that number is going 192 00:08:44,159 --> 00:08:45,680 to be. So, we just want everybody to be 193 00:08:45,680 --> 00:08:48,160 aware that it is slightly higher than 194 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:49,920 what we had projected with the best 195 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:53,200 information we had. 196 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:56,240 The revenue generated um was identified 197 00:08:56,240 --> 00:09:00,480 in the notice that um taxpayers received 198 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:02,880 and that has been advertised as you see 199 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:07,120 here. Uh again this statement um that 200 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:09,519 was this statement is created the white 201 00:09:09,519 --> 00:09:11,360 document is created by the Utah State 202 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:13,920 Tax Commission identifies the amount of 203 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:16,240 tax on a single family residence and on 204 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:19,680 a commercial property and um it shows 205 00:09:19,680 --> 00:09:22,399 the $995,285 206 00:09:22,399 --> 00:09:25,519 that would be generated by the proposed 207 00:09:25,519 --> 00:09:28,240 tax rate. Um, I took the liberty of 208 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:30,000 creating the small table down below that 209 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:33,600 shows for a primary residence what the 210 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:36,080 taxpayers would pay current year if 211 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:37,839 there was not a property tax increase 212 00:09:37,839 --> 00:09:40,800 both for the total year and then the uh 213 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:43,600 by monthly amount the proposed increase 214 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:45,200 and what that would add and then what 215 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:47,120 the total would be the same for 216 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:50,480 business. Um, if our citizens are not 217 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:52,959 aware, a business and a second home are 218 00:09:52,959 --> 00:09:55,120 both considered the same. they pay 100% 219 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:59,040 of the value. Um those who have primary 220 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:01,839 residents get a 45% reduction on the 221 00:10:01,839 --> 00:10:04,399 value uh when the property tax is 222 00:10:04,399 --> 00:10:07,200 calculated. 223 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:09,600 This is another form that is created by 224 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:11,600 the certifi the Utah state tax 225 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:14,240 commission. Um it's kind of hard to see 226 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:15,680 because it's so small, but there's some 227 00:10:15,680 --> 00:10:19,440 yellow oval circles there. The 2,124 802 228 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:21,040 is what's referred to as the auditor 229 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:23,279 certified tax rate. That's telling us 230 00:10:23,279 --> 00:10:26,399 that if we did nothing, that's how much 231 00:10:26,399 --> 00:10:28,160 property tax revenue we would receive 232 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:30,240 for the year. However, because we 233 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:32,000 submitted the paperwork and went through 234 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:34,640 the truth and taxation process and the 235 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:36,800 numbers that we uh provided to them for 236 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:38,959 the 995,000, 237 00:10:38,959 --> 00:10:41,680 the final rate, if approved, and I need 238 00:10:41,680 --> 00:10:44,240 to reiterate, if approved, would be 239 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:46,800 3,12087. 240 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:49,200 The city council can approve a lower 241 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:53,120 rate for lower revenue, but they cannot 242 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:55,760 adopt anything higher than this rate or 243 00:10:55,760 --> 00:11:00,000 this revenue by law. Um just for 244 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:03,200 interest I did put over here to the side 245 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:05,839 um just what some of our budgets this is 246 00:11:05,839 --> 00:11:07,839 not the total general fund but just to 247 00:11:07,839 --> 00:11:10,560 give an idea um you know if we collect 248 00:11:10,560 --> 00:11:13,519 this year $3,120,000 249 00:11:13,519 --> 00:11:15,120 how does that relate to some of our 250 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:17,120 larger general fund budget uh 251 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:19,360 categories. Our police department as you 252 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:21,680 can see is 3,581. 253 00:11:21,680 --> 00:11:23,279 our fire assessment. For those who 254 00:11:23,279 --> 00:11:26,480 aren't aware, the South Davis Metro Fire 255 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:29,040 Service Area, they collect property 256 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:32,640 taxes through an assessed rate. And then 257 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:34,959 they also send each agency that they 258 00:11:34,959 --> 00:11:39,279 support an invoice based on um criteria 259 00:11:39,279 --> 00:11:40,959 that's been established when the agency 260 00:11:40,959 --> 00:11:43,600 was created. And our portion this next 261 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:46,240 year is 914,000. And you asked Julie 262 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:48,880 earlier that adjustment that I had in 263 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:50,880 there. That's what that came up to this 264 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:53,200 year. Um, our streets department 265 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:55,120 529,000. 266 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:56,640 Um, that doesn't include any of the 267 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:58,240 maintenance that comes out of our class 268 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:02,160 C road funds. Our parks is 762,000 269 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:06,000 and our recreation is 121,000. So, these 270 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:09,120 are just some of the larger budgets that 271 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:12,079 the general fund supports. Our full um 272 00:12:12,079 --> 00:12:15,920 general fund budget is like 10,44,000 273 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:18,079 overall. So, I just want folks to get an 274 00:12:18,079 --> 00:12:19,920 understanding of what property taxes go 275 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:22,560 to and how much of that is used within 276 00:12:22,560 --> 00:12:24,800 the city. 277 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:26,880 Moving on, 278 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:29,519 item 1 C of the agenda requires a 279 00:12:29,519 --> 00:12:31,040 presentation for the reasons of the 280 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:32,720 proposed tax increase, including the 281 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:34,399 taxing entity's intended use of 282 00:12:34,399 --> 00:12:37,600 additional ad valorium tax revenue. So, 283 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:40,800 this all focuses on one thing, a new 284 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:43,200 city hall and park reconstruction. And 285 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:46,959 the question is why this project and why 286 00:12:46,959 --> 00:12:50,000 now? So I'll just share some information 287 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:51,920 that we have shared in the pamphlets, 288 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:53,279 we've shared in our meetings, we've 289 00:12:53,279 --> 00:12:57,200 shared in um the um city newsletter and 290 00:12:57,200 --> 00:12:58,959 things of that nature, but for those who 291 00:12:58,959 --> 00:13:01,040 may not have been aware of it. Our 292 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:03,839 primary reason is our police department. 293 00:13:03,839 --> 00:13:06,160 As you can see from the photos, our 294 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:09,680 evidence storage is pretty much maxed 295 00:13:09,680 --> 00:13:12,560 out. Um, if you were to walk into our 296 00:13:12,560 --> 00:13:14,639 basement, and I know that the chief and 297 00:13:14,639 --> 00:13:16,240 uh Michelle Roelly have taken people on 298 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:18,560 tour so they can see this, uh, we are 299 00:13:18,560 --> 00:13:21,040 required to, uh, hold on to more and 300 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:22,880 more evidence all the time. State laws 301 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:26,320 are requiring longer, uh, retention of 302 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:30,160 storage or u evidence storage. Um, the 303 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:32,079 picture on the far right is our general 304 00:13:32,079 --> 00:13:35,200 evidence. The pictures on the lower left 305 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:38,959 are boxes that have several cases, as 306 00:13:38,959 --> 00:13:40,959 many as Michelle can pack into each one. 307 00:13:40,959 --> 00:13:43,040 But what you can't see is those are 308 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:45,760 literally stored in a storage area that 309 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:47,600 has a locked door underneath the stairs 310 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:49,200 going to the basement. So, it's kind of 311 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:51,360 a Harry Potter storage kind of thing. 312 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:53,440 We're just cramming boxes in many places 313 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:56,320 that we can lock and secure as part of 314 00:13:56,320 --> 00:13:59,920 evidence um requirements in any nook and 315 00:13:59,920 --> 00:14:01,839 cranny that we can we can find in the 316 00:14:01,839 --> 00:14:04,240 basement. 317 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:06,160 Another situation that we have in our 318 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:10,000 police department is our officers are um 319 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:12,480 because of that portion of the building 320 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:14,079 being the earliest part of the building 321 00:14:14,079 --> 00:14:17,199 that was finished in the late 1960s. 322 00:14:17,199 --> 00:14:20,240 Um we have one large room that is our 323 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:22,560 patrol room where our officers are 324 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:24,880 literally booking evidence. And I'll 325 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:27,519 move my mouse over. Here's the evidence 326 00:14:27,519 --> 00:14:30,240 table where they put the evidence in. Um 327 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:32,320 right over here is to the right of that 328 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:34,399 table you can see the microwave where 329 00:14:34,399 --> 00:14:37,600 they cook their meals and the table um 330 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:40,079 that's across the room right here. Our 331 00:14:40,079 --> 00:14:42,720 officers are literally cooking and 332 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:44,720 working and eating in the very same room 333 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:46,800 that they have to bring drugs and other 334 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:48,880 contaminated things in as they book them 335 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:50,800 into evidence. And we just don't feel 336 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:53,120 that's a a suitable thing. But we don't 337 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:54,560 have anywhere else to conduct these 338 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:56,240 things. So, this is part of the reason 339 00:14:56,240 --> 00:14:58,720 why we feel that there is a necessity 340 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:01,279 for this new building. Um, here's 341 00:15:01,279 --> 00:15:03,519 another photo of the patrol room for the 342 00:15:03,519 --> 00:15:05,279 back corner. So, you can see where the 343 00:15:05,279 --> 00:15:07,120 officers sit to do their reports and 344 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:09,600 things of that nature. Here's the book 345 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:12,079 evidence uh table where they have bags 346 00:15:12,079 --> 00:15:14,240 and boxes to put things in. And then in 347 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:15,440 this corner over here is where the 348 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:17,440 microwave and plates and things like 349 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:20,000 that are. So again, not optimal 350 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:23,680 conditions for people to um also bring 351 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:26,880 suspects in for blood draws uh for DUIs 352 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:29,199 and things of that nature. We have two 353 00:15:29,199 --> 00:15:31,600 detectives right now. They're working on 354 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:34,959 these um small desks. Again, you can see 355 00:15:34,959 --> 00:15:36,480 they have to put their printers on the 356 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:38,720 floor. They have their u vests and 357 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:40,639 things on the floor because we just 358 00:15:40,639 --> 00:15:44,480 don't have enough room. Um, this office 359 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:47,040 area was originally intended to be the 360 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:51,360 window into the um, interrogation uh, 361 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:53,120 room where they would take suspects in 362 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:55,600 to question them. Um, again, we're using 363 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:57,680 rooms the way they weren't intended and 364 00:15:57,680 --> 00:15:59,279 our interrogation room is normally 365 00:15:59,279 --> 00:16:00,880 filled with boxes of storage and things 366 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:03,680 of that nature. So, we're just working 367 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:06,240 over ourselves to to try to accommodate 368 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:10,399 things. Another example of this 369 00:16:10,399 --> 00:16:13,430 is 370 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:17,120 Um downstairs um we have rooms uh 371 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:18,639 starting up here in the upper left and 372 00:16:18,639 --> 00:16:22,240 then in the center and to the right are 373 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:24,399 actually in the bottom left are is one 374 00:16:24,399 --> 00:16:26,639 room where all evidence has to be 375 00:16:26,639 --> 00:16:29,759 brought into for our uh evidence clerk 376 00:16:29,759 --> 00:16:32,320 to entered into the computer, make sure 377 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:33,839 everything's correct, and then to move 378 00:16:33,839 --> 00:16:37,839 it to other rooms where it's stored. Um, 379 00:16:37,839 --> 00:16:40,079 we're supposed to have a drug room, a 380 00:16:40,079 --> 00:16:42,000 weapons room separate from the general 381 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:44,079 evidence room. Uh, Chief might be able 382 00:16:44,079 --> 00:16:45,600 to explain what the reasons are for 383 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:48,560 those separations, but right now, 384 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:51,199 because of the way our basement is 385 00:16:51,199 --> 00:16:53,120 structured, and there's just no other 386 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:55,360 way to change it, we're moving evidence 387 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:57,120 back and forth between things. And so, 388 00:16:57,120 --> 00:16:58,639 there's what's referred to as a chain of 389 00:16:58,639 --> 00:17:01,279 custody. And so, a future building would 390 00:17:01,279 --> 00:17:03,440 allow all of those things to be in a 391 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:05,360 central location. And then within the 392 00:17:05,360 --> 00:17:07,199 evidence room, we can create separated 393 00:17:07,199 --> 00:17:10,000 rooms for drugs, weapons, and valuables 394 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:12,959 so that we comply with the optimal 395 00:17:12,959 --> 00:17:15,120 intent of the state law. Chief, is there 396 00:17:15,120 --> 00:17:18,880 anything you want to add to that? 397 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:21,679 >> No, it's just the the nature of the 398 00:17:21,679 --> 00:17:23,360 weapons. They need to be secured 399 00:17:23,360 --> 00:17:26,720 separately away from the drugs for for 400 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:28,559 obvious reasons and that that's the 401 00:17:28,559 --> 00:17:29,760 intent of the state law. 402 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:32,000 >> Okay. The other thing to remember is 403 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:35,120 that again um people think well you seal 404 00:17:35,120 --> 00:17:36,640 everything up in a bag but we have 405 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:38,720 marijuana, we have methamphetamines and 406 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:40,400 all types of drugs. We don't always know 407 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:42,640 what those health effects are and we 408 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:45,520 don't have an air evacuation system in 409 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:47,200 that old part of the building. In fact, 410 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:48,640 we don't even have heating and cooling 411 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:51,600 ducted into the basement um uh where we 412 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:55,120 have our two of our sergeants. And so 413 00:17:55,120 --> 00:17:56,960 again, we don't know what those effects 414 00:17:56,960 --> 00:17:59,200 are, but we feel it's important that we 415 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:01,039 start to make those changes. In the 416 00:18:01,039 --> 00:18:03,520 bottom right corner is another room on 417 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:05,360 our upstairs where you can see that we 418 00:18:05,360 --> 00:18:08,240 have boxes for evidence, storage, um 419 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:10,240 other things that need to be used by 420 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:12,480 patrol officers. And so we're just 421 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:15,039 making do with the room that we have um 422 00:18:15,039 --> 00:18:17,440 to function the best that we can. So our 423 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:19,440 police department is an area that's uh 424 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:21,840 severely struggling because of the lack 425 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:24,240 of uh room. We also have all of u not 426 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:27,360 all of our weapons, but a large majority 427 00:18:27,360 --> 00:18:30,400 of our um weapons that would be used for 428 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:33,280 specific and specialized police actions, 429 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:35,120 they have to be kept at the public works 430 00:18:35,120 --> 00:18:37,280 building in a secured room because we 431 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:39,360 don't have room for that here. And we 432 00:18:39,360 --> 00:18:43,280 also have to have our um gunsmith u we 433 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:45,200 have an officer who is the gunsmith who 434 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:46,720 has to take weapons down there to work 435 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:48,400 on them because we don't have room here 436 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:50,880 for those things to be worked on. So 437 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:53,520 again, it's not optimal um that we have 438 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:55,520 to keep those weapons under secure lock 439 00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:57,360 and key and we don't have room here in 440 00:18:57,360 --> 00:18:59,919 the building for that um type of 441 00:18:59,919 --> 00:19:02,720 storage. We also have to take um 442 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:04,559 vehicles and things of that larger types 443 00:19:04,559 --> 00:19:06,000 of things that have to be stripped down 444 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:08,559 for evidence uh searching to the public 445 00:19:08,559 --> 00:19:10,480 works building. So again, the new 446 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:12,000 building would have a location in the 447 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:13,200 building where those types of things 448 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:14,720 could be done here and it keeps the 449 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:17,440 chain of custody of evidence more secure 450 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:19,840 and uh without question of how it's 451 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:21,760 being handled. 452 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:23,280 The current building again as I've 453 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:25,679 mentioned uh we don't have any more room 454 00:19:25,679 --> 00:19:28,160 for PD growth. Our admin all of our 455 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:30,960 offices are filled in other spaces. Uh I 456 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:32,640 mentioned no heater AC in the basement 457 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:36,480 of the PD offices or ventilation. Uh we 458 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:37,919 don't have a fire sprinkler in this 459 00:19:37,919 --> 00:19:39,679 building. So if we did for some reason 460 00:19:39,679 --> 00:19:41,840 have a fire, it could be a potential 461 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:44,640 complete loss. Um the building is not 462 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:46,480 designed for the current seismic 463 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:49,600 restraints and uh earthquake codes. Um 464 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:52,000 we have subsidance in this area where we 465 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:53,679 are noticing the building cracking and 466 00:19:53,679 --> 00:19:56,480 moving in places. Um adequate meeting 467 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:58,400 and training space. Our police 468 00:19:58,400 --> 00:19:59,840 department has to go down and use our 469 00:19:59,840 --> 00:20:02,960 public work space for for training. Um, 470 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:05,360 our IT is literally a closet right here 471 00:20:05,360 --> 00:20:07,679 behind the council chambers and we don't 472 00:20:07,679 --> 00:20:10,160 have room for storage of u IT equipment 473 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:13,360 that we need to I mentioned reliable um 474 00:20:13,360 --> 00:20:15,919 AV system. Um that's the sound system 475 00:20:15,919 --> 00:20:17,679 here. Every Tuesday morning we have to 476 00:20:17,679 --> 00:20:19,840 come in here and if Sam and I or Curtis 477 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:21,440 and I can't do it, Sam has to come up 478 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:23,919 and do a Jurassic Park start to get the 479 00:20:23,919 --> 00:20:25,919 system working for the court clerk. So 480 00:20:25,919 --> 00:20:29,120 it's taking hours of staff time. uh and 481 00:20:29,120 --> 00:20:31,919 we've had the the uh people come in, the 482 00:20:31,919 --> 00:20:33,679 contractors to work on it, and they're 483 00:20:33,679 --> 00:20:35,280 doing the best they can to work it. But 484 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:36,799 it they've explained that because we're 485 00:20:36,799 --> 00:20:38,960 trying to run our system from two 486 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:41,120 different locations, we're causing the 487 00:20:41,120 --> 00:20:43,120 system not to work the way it's designed 488 00:20:43,120 --> 00:20:45,200 or intended. So, that's another thing 489 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:46,400 that would be resolved in the new 490 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:48,640 building. We don't meet all the ADA 491 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:50,880 accessibility requirements uh in the 492 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:53,039 building. uh our I mentioned our 493 00:20:53,039 --> 00:20:55,919 interview and interrogation rooms, 494 00:20:55,919 --> 00:20:58,640 mentioned the PD weapon storage and the 495 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:00,559 separation of weapons and drug evidence 496 00:21:00,559 --> 00:21:03,200 and the evidence storage, ventilation. 497 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:06,640 Um we have chemicals that officers use 498 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:08,000 for cleaning their weapons. Right now 499 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:09,440 that's just in the end of a hallway in 500 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:12,400 the basement and so again we have odors 501 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:13,840 and things that are going through the 502 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:16,799 building. Um, our HBAC we've had several 503 00:21:16,799 --> 00:21:18,480 times when large sections of the 504 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:21,760 building, excuse me, are not uh working. 505 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:24,320 We had no air conditioning in the admin 506 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:26,559 here earlier this summer. Um, the police 507 00:21:26,559 --> 00:21:28,159 department's gone for a couple of weeks 508 00:21:28,159 --> 00:21:30,480 without heat and so we've brought in 509 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:33,200 portable heaters. So, the whole building 510 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:36,159 is not on one heating furnace or air 511 00:21:36,159 --> 00:21:38,000 conditioner. It's on several, but if any 512 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:39,840 one of those go down, large sections of 513 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:42,799 the building quit functioning. and then 514 00:21:42,799 --> 00:21:45,840 uh longer evidence storage. 515 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:48,080 This is the 516 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:51,360 concept drawing of the proposed um city 517 00:21:51,360 --> 00:21:53,360 hall and Hogan Park uh building. And 518 00:21:53,360 --> 00:21:55,360 many of you have already seen this. So 519 00:21:55,360 --> 00:21:57,120 what what are we doing for the next 50 520 00:21:57,120 --> 00:22:00,799 years? This street here is 1500 South. 521 00:22:00,799 --> 00:22:03,919 Here's 800 West. So the proposal again 522 00:22:03,919 --> 00:22:05,840 as a cost savings and we've seen schools 523 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:08,000 and other government agencies do this 524 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:09,520 would be to leave the current city hall 525 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:11,200 in this location so that we don't have 526 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:14,080 to relocate. We would build the new city 527 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:15,840 hall just to the east of our current 528 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:18,400 city hall literally right out the back 529 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:20,400 door of our city hall on the east side. 530 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:21,600 There would be a fence along the 531 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:23,919 sidewalk and the building would be about 532 00:22:23,919 --> 00:22:26,080 halfway through the parking lot. It 533 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:28,000 would not go all the way to the log 534 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:31,679 cabin and the uh cemetery. Um, this is a 535 00:22:31,679 --> 00:22:34,480 slightly different uh version of this 536 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:36,559 gray mass that you see here compared to 537 00:22:36,559 --> 00:22:38,240 what we currently are because staff has 538 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:39,760 been working with the architects to 539 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:41,360 continue cutting down square footage 540 00:22:41,360 --> 00:22:46,159 anywhere we can to not overbuild, but to 541 00:22:46,159 --> 00:22:47,919 uh maximize the utilization of the 542 00:22:47,919 --> 00:22:49,360 building, but this would be the general 543 00:22:49,360 --> 00:22:51,520 footprint. We're still working on 544 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:53,760 locations for pavilions and restrooms 545 00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:55,919 and things in this area, but the council 546 00:22:55,919 --> 00:22:57,679 has met on this and talked about it. And 547 00:22:57,679 --> 00:23:00,880 this is the general layout. Um, assuming 548 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:03,360 this is passed, the new building would 549 00:23:03,360 --> 00:23:05,039 be constructed while we work out of this 550 00:23:05,039 --> 00:23:06,880 building. We would move into the new 551 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:09,039 building and then demolish the old and 552 00:23:09,039 --> 00:23:10,799 then build the parking lot at this 553 00:23:10,799 --> 00:23:12,720 location. There would still be the 554 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:16,240 parking on 720 West uh diagonal parking 555 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:19,120 that we currently have. And the parking 556 00:23:19,120 --> 00:23:21,039 lot areas for the new parking of the new 557 00:23:21,039 --> 00:23:22,960 building would be about the same as what 558 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:27,590 we have here at city hall. Now, 559 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:30,000 this is the latest floor plan up till 560 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:31,440 last week. And I realize things are 561 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:33,600 really small, so you can't see it, but 562 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:36,000 again, I've listed out the first floor 563 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:38,799 plan, first floor concept plans. Again, 564 00:23:38,799 --> 00:23:42,320 these are not final designs. Um, 565 00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:43,440 one of the things that was being 566 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:44,960 discussed is the size of the community 567 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:47,120 room, and that's this room right here. 568 00:23:47,120 --> 00:23:49,600 And this would be a room that would kind 569 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:51,520 of be like a homes family room that 570 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:53,600 would go around to a covered patio so 571 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:56,240 that things events and things could move 572 00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:59,679 back and forth. Um the council made the 573 00:23:59,679 --> 00:24:01,679 decision at the last meeting to cut that 574 00:24:01,679 --> 00:24:05,760 down to 3500 ft from 4,000 um and remove 575 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:08,240 this center partition door. So again, 576 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:09,840 we're trying to rightsize the building 577 00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:11,919 but also leave ourselves room for future 578 00:24:11,919 --> 00:24:15,679 growth. We've accommodated um the judges 579 00:24:15,679 --> 00:24:18,880 um security issues. We've allowed for a 580 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:20,320 larger kitchen than we've had in the 581 00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:22,000 past and even larger kitchen than we 582 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,240 have in the public works building to 583 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:26,400 accommodate summer recreation cooking 584 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:28,240 activities. If you just seen the number 585 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:30,000 of children in our public works kitchen 586 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:31,520 this morning as they were all in there 587 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:33,520 learning how to cook things, they were 588 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:35,440 just standing on top of each other. So, 589 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:37,679 this would allow recreation programs to 590 00:24:37,679 --> 00:24:39,919 function here at city hall and to have 591 00:24:39,919 --> 00:24:42,400 more space for those. It also allows for 592 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:44,799 a classroom for the police department so 593 00:24:44,799 --> 00:24:46,000 they can do their training of things 594 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:47,600 here and not have to travel back and 595 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:50,320 forth. Um, this building is also being 596 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:52,480 designed to meet the uh emergency 597 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:54,240 operations center requirements for 598 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:58,400 earthquake soundness um and uh backup 599 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:00,080 generator power and things so that in 600 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:03,200 the event of a emergency or catastrophe 601 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:05,440 this building could function on um 602 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:08,320 independent power. 603 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:10,559 Um, as I mentioned for the police 604 00:25:10,559 --> 00:25:12,320 department, we are doing things with 605 00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:16,559 larger offices for the detectives, the 606 00:25:16,559 --> 00:25:17,840 sergeants. They're not going to have 607 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:19,760 independent offices. They'll be combined 608 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:21,760 into one room. The detectives in one 609 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:24,240 room, sergeants in another. The patrol 610 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:27,039 room for um our patrol officers, we're 611 00:25:27,039 --> 00:25:29,760 allowing for more um locker space for 612 00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:31,840 them. So again, we're not trying to 613 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:34,799 build this large behemoth building. 614 00:25:34,799 --> 00:25:36,240 We're just trying to make sure that it 615 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:37,840 can accommodate the needs for the 616 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:39,600 anticipated growth going into the 617 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:42,799 future. Um, I'll point out that um, 618 00:25:42,799 --> 00:25:44,799 after double-checking our plans here in 619 00:25:44,799 --> 00:25:47,279 the uh, current building, our chief and 620 00:25:47,279 --> 00:25:49,279 our assistant chief's offices are 621 00:25:49,279 --> 00:25:51,520 smaller in the new building than the old 622 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:54,080 building. Um, not by a large amount for 623 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:57,360 your 50 ft, but again, you know, every 624 00:25:57,360 --> 00:26:00,320 foot counts. So, 625 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:03,679 we've also on the second floor um double 626 00:26:03,679 --> 00:26:05,279 checked our office sizes against the 627 00:26:05,279 --> 00:26:07,440 current ones that we have and no 628 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:10,240 director is getting an office any larger 629 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:12,559 than 9 in on the width and 9 in on the 630 00:26:12,559 --> 00:26:14,640 length. So, it comes I think about 24 631 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:16,880 square foot of area. Um so, we're not 632 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:19,200 trying to big big huge office or 633 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,200 anything. Uh the mayor's office is going 634 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:23,679 to be shared to the judge's office. Um 635 00:26:23,679 --> 00:26:24,960 so that we're trying to make sure we 636 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:26,960 don't have rooms just sitting empty. But 637 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,520 we also have a conference room upstairs 638 00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:32,480 and again where more and more data is 639 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:35,279 stored digitally. Um we don't think we 640 00:26:35,279 --> 00:26:38,720 need as much storage uh of papers but we 641 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:41,440 still need to have storage. So um we've 642 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:43,440 accommodated that. Then we have room for 643 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:46,320 more uh cubicle spaces in the center of 644 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:48,799 the building u on the administration 645 00:26:48,799 --> 00:26:50,720 side and we're going to work with the 646 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:53,200 architects. We have about 20 feet that 647 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:55,760 the second floor is behind the first 648 00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:58,480 floor. And while we could build that 649 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:00,159 straight out over it, it would cost 650 00:27:00,159 --> 00:27:02,320 about $600,000. 651 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:04,080 If we choose not to, we can still work 652 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:05,520 with the architects to make sure the 653 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:07,360 structural design is such that if we do 654 00:27:07,360 --> 00:27:09,440 need to enclose that in the future, that 655 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:11,440 would open us up about another 1,200 656 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:13,360 square ft that we would ask that the 657 00:27:13,360 --> 00:27:14,960 walls and everything be structurally 658 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:16,960 designed now so that that could be 659 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:20,880 enclosed um without additional cost. So 660 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:22,720 that gives us some room for growth if we 661 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:23,760 need that. 662 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:24,799 >> Okay. 663 00:27:24,799 --> 00:27:29,600 >> Um in the basement um again we're trying 664 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:31,679 to maximize the foot or keep the 665 00:27:31,679 --> 00:27:33,200 footprint as minimized as much as 666 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:34,960 possible so that the park can stay as 667 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:36,240 large as possible. So this is a 668 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:38,640 three-story building. You can see here 669 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:40,720 in this bottom leftand corner is where 670 00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:43,360 the evidence preparation and then the 671 00:27:43,360 --> 00:27:45,440 evidence storage long-term and a drug 672 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:47,760 and a weapons room. And this will all 673 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:49,679 have special ventilation that evacuates 674 00:27:49,679 --> 00:27:53,200 the air and uh more locker space and 675 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,279 four times the storage that we what we 676 00:27:55,279 --> 00:27:57,840 currently have. We are also leaving room 677 00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:00,320 for unfinished uh future office space 678 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:03,200 for support personnel like it or others. 679 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,360 Uh more police storage down here, an 680 00:28:05,360 --> 00:28:07,760 unfinished area for administrative 681 00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:10,000 storage. Um Lacy has a lot of things 682 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:11,679 that she has to store. So we'll have 683 00:28:11,679 --> 00:28:14,399 storage in the basement on the first 684 00:28:14,399 --> 00:28:16,240 floor near the community room. And then 685 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:21,919 as we design the um park bathroom slash 686 00:28:21,919 --> 00:28:24,399 um equipment room, it will have a 687 00:28:24,399 --> 00:28:26,559 storage room also for community 688 00:28:26,559 --> 00:28:28,960 services. Um our officers have a 689 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,760 requirement for um physical fitness and 690 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:33,440 we feel it would be a wise thing for all 691 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:34,880 of our people to have. So we've got a 692 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,600 small weight room here and treadmill uh 693 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:39,440 where people can exercise right here on 694 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:42,080 site. And then this area here in the 695 00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:43,919 center is where we would have our gun 696 00:28:43,919 --> 00:28:46,720 smmith uh gun cleaning and armory so we 697 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:50,870 can keep it all in one roof. 698 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:53,919 Park space. Um we're working to have 699 00:28:53,919 --> 00:28:55,600 shaded covers over the pickle ball 700 00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:56,960 courts because the location of the 701 00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:58,399 pickle ball courts will be moved over 702 00:28:58,399 --> 00:29:01,120 here to 800 West and to have shade 703 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:04,000 covers uh installed between the courts. 704 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:07,600 Um, we'll have some ADA equipment in the 705 00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:09,440 playground space so that we can 706 00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:11,919 accommodate children of all needs. Uh, 707 00:29:11,919 --> 00:29:13,840 more gathering spaces and pavilions and 708 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:16,399 shade structures. The park is designed 709 00:29:16,399 --> 00:29:18,159 to have more of a passive use with 710 00:29:18,159 --> 00:29:20,880 trails, open fields. Uh, we want to have 711 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,679 food trucks uh, able to pull in and come 712 00:29:23,679 --> 00:29:26,559 in and park and have more events of that 713 00:29:26,559 --> 00:29:28,559 type. We've talked about a water feature 714 00:29:28,559 --> 00:29:30,960 and while we don't have a final design, 715 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,039 um we are anticipating it being over 716 00:29:33,039 --> 00:29:35,120 here on the east side somewhere close to 717 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:37,679 the playground so the children um can 718 00:29:37,679 --> 00:29:39,919 play between water and playgrounds. 719 00:29:39,919 --> 00:29:41,520 Mothers can be close enough or parents 720 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:43,039 can be close enough to keep an eye on 721 00:29:43,039 --> 00:29:44,720 the children and and make sure they know 722 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:46,159 where they're at and to have a bathroom 723 00:29:46,159 --> 00:29:48,399 somewhere close by so that they're not 724 00:29:48,399 --> 00:29:50,880 out of view. Uh we're working to have a 725 00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:53,039 centralized space for Memorial Day. 726 00:29:53,039 --> 00:29:54,320 Those of you that have attended know 727 00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:56,159 that we have the flag on one side of the 728 00:29:56,159 --> 00:29:58,559 park and the breakfast on the other 729 00:29:58,559 --> 00:30:00,320 side. We're working to try to locate all 730 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:02,799 of those things here in this uh east 731 00:30:02,799 --> 00:30:04,559 corner of the city hall near the 732 00:30:04,559 --> 00:30:06,159 pavilion. That way we can utilize the 733 00:30:06,159 --> 00:30:08,559 kitchen and things for that. I mentioned 734 00:30:08,559 --> 00:30:11,600 the diagonal parking remaining on 720 uh 735 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:16,950 west. So, 736 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:20,240 um during Memorial Day, we had um these 737 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:22,399 boards and they're out in the foyer that 738 00:30:22,399 --> 00:30:25,200 identify the reasons why it's actually 739 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,039 cheaper to build a new building than it 740 00:30:27,039 --> 00:30:28,880 is to rehabilitate the current building. 741 00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:31,279 And we've used Hogan Construction, who 742 00:30:31,279 --> 00:30:35,919 is um been contracted to be our CMGC 743 00:30:35,919 --> 00:30:39,520 contractor. Um, and we had them do an 744 00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:42,240 evaluation of this building and again to 745 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:43,919 dig around the foundation to do the 746 00:30:43,919 --> 00:30:45,840 stabilization and then the seismic work 747 00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:47,120 and all the things that would need to go 748 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:48,720 into fire sprinklers and everything 749 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,760 else. It would be estimated $18 million 750 00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:53,440 to rehabilitate a building that we would 751 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:54,960 have no more square footage than what we 752 00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,120 started with. The estimate is that we 753 00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:58,960 could build a new building of 754 00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:02,000 approximately 24 to 26,000 ft for about 755 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:05,120 13 to 14 million. I know that's a hard 756 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:08,080 thing to understand and it was difficult 757 00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:09,600 for me when I first got into government 758 00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:11,520 to say, well, if my own home, I would 759 00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:13,360 just wait, save my money and build an 760 00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:16,720 addition. But in commercial buildings, 761 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,440 because of the types of construction and 762 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:22,320 the way construction uh standards change 763 00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:26,640 so quickly, it's actually cheaper to 764 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:28,240 start with a new building. Now, this 765 00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,399 building has been added on to two times 766 00:31:30,399 --> 00:31:33,120 since it was first built. Um the oldest 767 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:34,880 part of it is almost 60 years old, about 768 00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:37,519 57 years old. So we've definitely got 769 00:31:37,519 --> 00:31:39,440 good use out of it, but to try to 770 00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:41,919 rehabilitate is financially more 771 00:31:41,919 --> 00:31:43,919 expensive. Another thing I struggled 772 00:31:43,919 --> 00:31:46,000 with when I first got into government is 773 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,080 I save my money and I pay for things as 774 00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:50,960 I go. However, government can borrow at 775 00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:53,760 a much cheaper rate than um the standard 776 00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:56,480 consumer. And so with inflation 777 00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:59,600 increasing about five% a year in 778 00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:03,360 construction costs um and us being able 779 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:06,320 to borrow between four and 4 and a.5% 780 00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:09,200 we would have to save 781 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,039 far more than what we would make in just 782 00:32:11,039 --> 00:32:13,200 payments and and that took me a long 783 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,440 time to understand why with the time 784 00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:16,960 value of money it made more sense to 785 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:18,880 borrow. Uh Ryan, you've dealt in 786 00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:20,559 finances for years, so you could explain 787 00:32:20,559 --> 00:32:22,559 that a little bit more, but we would be 788 00:32:22,559 --> 00:32:25,200 losing ground for each year that we wait 789 00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:28,559 uh rather than moving forward today. 790 00:32:28,559 --> 00:32:30,159 This is just a copy of the brochure that 791 00:32:30,159 --> 00:32:32,080 was mailed out to folks last week that 792 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:33,760 gave them information. I won't go into 793 00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:35,279 any details on that. It's the same 794 00:32:35,279 --> 00:32:38,080 information we've covered tonight. Uh 795 00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:40,000 this is a page that uh Hogan 796 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,880 Construction in April provided to us. 797 00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:45,360 Now again, we're still working in very 798 00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:47,440 big numbers. We've said, "Okay, based on 799 00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:50,159 the needs assessment, um, we need about 800 00:32:50,159 --> 00:32:53,200 24 to 26,000 square ft." They, with 801 00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:54,640 their experience and having built 802 00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:56,080 buildings like this, have put together 803 00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:58,159 an estimated budget. Um, they're 804 00:32:58,159 --> 00:32:59,760 estimating that the building would cost 805 00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:03,120 about $13 million and the park and site 806 00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:05,039 would be about $11 million for a total 807 00:33:05,039 --> 00:33:07,760 of $24 million. 808 00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:10,080 If you could see um these smaller 809 00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:14,159 numbers, we have $3,727,000 810 00:33:14,159 --> 00:33:17,840 in contingencies set aside by the city 811 00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:20,240 that if unforeseen things come up, we 812 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:22,399 have some money there. And then also in 813 00:33:22,399 --> 00:33:25,200 our um furnishings package and other 814 00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:26,720 things that we have to pay for, we have 815 00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:30,399 another almost $1.5 million set aside. I 816 00:33:30,399 --> 00:33:32,559 believe I can speak for the council that 817 00:33:32,559 --> 00:33:34,799 our goal is to not have to use that 818 00:33:34,799 --> 00:33:38,559 money. that to me that's that there has 819 00:33:38,559 --> 00:33:40,240 to be some pretty extreme reasons why we 820 00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:41,919 would touch that. Now there there may be 821 00:33:41,919 --> 00:33:43,679 and that's why we have contingency is 822 00:33:43,679 --> 00:33:45,600 because you just never know if we're 823 00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:47,360 going to run into site conditions, soil 824 00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:50,000 conditions, things of that nature. Um 825 00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:53,039 but we are trying to keep the goal of 826 00:33:53,039 --> 00:33:55,440 building a building for around 24 $25 827 00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:57,360 million and we will continue to strive 828 00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:00,000 for that. But there's also in addition 829 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,159 to that 25 million, let's round it to 830 00:34:02,159 --> 00:34:04,559 that. Uh what's referred to as soft cost 831 00:34:04,559 --> 00:34:07,840 of 4.9, let's round that to $5 million 832 00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:10,399 of things that we have to pay for. So 833 00:34:10,399 --> 00:34:12,720 civil surveys, financing, uh 834 00:34:12,720 --> 00:34:15,679 furnishings, uh inspections. So anyway, 835 00:34:15,679 --> 00:34:17,040 there's a list of things that are not 836 00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:18,720 under the contract that we would need to 837 00:34:18,720 --> 00:34:21,520 pay for. So we believe that we have 838 00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:23,440 contingency to cover any foreseen 839 00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:26,159 unforeseen costs and we are striving to 840 00:34:26,159 --> 00:34:29,200 stay within that budget. 841 00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:31,839 We have put together a package of the 842 00:34:31,839 --> 00:34:33,679 revenue and the anticipated 843 00:34:33,679 --> 00:34:36,159 expenditures. So in the blue boxes you 844 00:34:36,159 --> 00:34:39,919 can see that we believe that through 845 00:34:39,919 --> 00:34:42,240 money that we've been putting in savings 846 00:34:42,240 --> 00:34:46,079 um as of July 1st or the very end of 847 00:34:46,079 --> 00:34:48,240 June after the budget was being closed 848 00:34:48,240 --> 00:34:50,560 out, we had about $4 million of capital 849 00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:53,040 fund money for capital projects. We'll 850 00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:55,200 want to keep about 500,000 in that 851 00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:59,280 budget. Um we have 852 00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:01,680 in the past transferred about a million 853 00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:03,359 dollars at the end of the year into that 854 00:35:03,359 --> 00:35:06,240 capital's budget. So um we're estimating 855 00:35:06,240 --> 00:35:08,079 that this next year we hopefully can do 856 00:35:08,079 --> 00:35:10,640 that again. Um we are selling property 857 00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:12,560 at two locations. The old post office 858 00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:14,480 that's been closed and we made about 859 00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:16,560 $445,000 860 00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:18,160 and then we're in the process of selling 861 00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:19,599 the old public works building for 862 00:35:19,599 --> 00:35:23,119 approximately 2.5 million. Um, we also 863 00:35:23,119 --> 00:35:25,200 have the wrap tax because the park will 864 00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:28,240 be a large part of this project. We have 865 00:35:28,240 --> 00:35:29,920 not quite a million dollars, but it'll 866 00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:31,200 be close to a million dollars soon. 867 00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:33,280 We'll want to keep about $250,000 in 868 00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:35,359 reserve. So, we believe that we can 869 00:35:35,359 --> 00:35:37,599 contribute towards this project $8.2 870 00:35:37,599 --> 00:35:40,400 million, and we will need to borrow 871 00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:42,800 approximately $25 million to come up for 872 00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:45,200 a full total of 33,210. 873 00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:47,280 Now again, that 33 million still has 874 00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:50,640 that 5 million in contingency um that we 875 00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:53,200 may or may not have to use. So we'll 876 00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:56,240 just keep those numbers in place and 877 00:35:56,240 --> 00:35:58,160 work towards those with the goal of 878 00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:00,880 coming in lower than that. Below you can 879 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,680 see the expenses and this is Hogan 880 00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:07,280 construction, park site work, um other 881 00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:09,440 soft costs and so we come up with a 882 00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,320 total of 33,889. 883 00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:14,560 They don't exactly add up, but again, we 884 00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:16,320 believe that with that contingency, we 885 00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:18,320 can close the gap on that approximately 886 00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:20,240 $600,000. 887 00:36:20,240 --> 00:36:22,640 Also, within the financing uh package, 888 00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:26,240 the debt service, um we have funds 889 00:36:26,240 --> 00:36:29,839 currently with the um road bond money 890 00:36:29,839 --> 00:36:32,640 that we're paying that if we enact a a 891 00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:34,640 transportation utility fee, we can make 892 00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:38,160 up $250,000 of that. We have wrap tax 893 00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:41,599 revenue that's almost $600,000 a year. 894 00:36:41,599 --> 00:36:43,760 We estimate it'll be $600,000 in this 895 00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:45,920 next year. We could apply as much as we 896 00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:47,280 want, but we're right now just 897 00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:50,079 estimating 350,000 of that towards bond 898 00:36:50,079 --> 00:36:52,240 payment. And then this proposed property 899 00:36:52,240 --> 00:36:56,400 act property tax increase of 995 would 900 00:36:56,400 --> 00:37:00,150 bring us to 1,595,000. 901 00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,400 And then again, the bond payment would 902 00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:05,280 be approximately 1,592. 903 00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:07,520 Now, if anybody that's keeping an eye on 904 00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:09,760 the news knows bond rates are going up 905 00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:11,520 and down all the time. So, we're just 906 00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:13,520 continuing to stay in touch with Zans's 907 00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:15,200 Bank, who's our financial adviser, and 908 00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:17,680 asking them um where they anticipate 909 00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:20,320 those rates, and we won't know the final 910 00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:23,200 until if the tax increase is approved. 911 00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:24,960 We go out on them open market and find 912 00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:29,119 out what we can get the bonding for. 913 00:37:29,119 --> 00:37:32,560 Okay. Um, in closing, people have said, 914 00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:35,119 "Well, what does the city council know 915 00:37:35,119 --> 00:37:36,800 about buildings?" And I took a little 916 00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:40,160 liberty of looking at your um, 917 00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:41,760 information on the website and what I 918 00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:44,560 know of you. I think we are at the best 919 00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:46,400 time with the group of people that I 920 00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:49,280 know to really work on this project. And 921 00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:51,520 I've just took liberty of putting down 922 00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:53,520 your credentials. If I've made any 923 00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:55,839 mistakes, please correct me. But as you 924 00:37:55,839 --> 00:37:58,320 can see, Ryan, you're educated in 925 00:37:58,320 --> 00:37:59,839 government finance and you've worked in 926 00:37:59,839 --> 00:38:02,160 government finance for years. Uh you've 927 00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:05,200 done capital projects, uh and worked 928 00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:07,599 with multiple boards, Eric Jones, a 929 00:38:07,599 --> 00:38:09,920 licensed architect. Um you have 930 00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:12,240 extensive project manage experience. Um 931 00:38:12,240 --> 00:38:13,520 you've served on the planning commission 932 00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:14,960 board of adjustments, and you're also a 933 00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:16,560 small business owner, so you understand 934 00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:19,359 how this affects our small businesses. 935 00:38:19,359 --> 00:38:21,599 Julie, you have worked with our police 936 00:38:21,599 --> 00:38:23,680 officers closer than anybody that I know 937 00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:25,200 and you've witnessed and seen what 938 00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:27,200 they're dealing with on a regular basis. 939 00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:29,119 You also have experience in the 940 00:38:29,119 --> 00:38:31,760 elementary education and you spend every 941 00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:33,520 month with our senior lunch bunch so you 942 00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:37,680 know what their needs are. Uh Jim, yes, 943 00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:39,680 >> I'd also add that I am a small business 944 00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:41,599 owner and I am a licensed general 945 00:38:41,599 --> 00:38:42,640 contractor. 946 00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:44,079 >> Thank you. 947 00:38:44,079 --> 00:38:46,160 Um, yeah, I was trying to keep things 948 00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:49,200 within space, but both excellent points. 949 00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:51,280 Jim, you have extensive economic 950 00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:52,640 development background. You've worked 951 00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:54,000 for the state of Utah and helping to 952 00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,640 bring businesses to the state of Utah. 953 00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:58,800 Um, and I know that you're helping us as 954 00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:01,440 a council member identify things that we 955 00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:02,720 can do with the airport and other 956 00:39:02,720 --> 00:39:05,680 things. Um, your understanding of 957 00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:08,079 business and what businesses rely on and 958 00:39:08,079 --> 00:39:10,800 government services is phenomenal. 959 00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:12,400 You're also a small business owner. 960 00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:14,160 you've had experience in that and you're 961 00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:16,480 a certified government finance manager. 962 00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:17,839 Not a lot of people have that kind of 963 00:39:17,839 --> 00:39:20,800 certification. Uh Rachel, you have I 964 00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:22,079 don't know how many decades and I want 965 00:39:22,079 --> 00:39:24,720 to date you here of uh education 966 00:39:24,720 --> 00:39:26,640 experience. You understand about 967 00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:28,880 childhood development, the importance of 968 00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:31,359 experiential education for children. So, 969 00:39:31,359 --> 00:39:33,680 you know, we've had many conversations, 970 00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:35,839 you and Julie, about what mothers are 971 00:39:35,839 --> 00:39:37,760 looking for children, the importance of 972 00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:40,400 children having these experiences. So 973 00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:42,400 again, I just feel it's this wealth of 974 00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:45,119 knowledge. Wall-E, your IT background, 975 00:39:45,119 --> 00:39:46,800 you see things from the perspective of a 976 00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:48,800 retired citizen. You have extensive 977 00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:51,200 knowledge in the SER program. Uh you're 978 00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:53,040 active in the mental health and suicide 979 00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:55,520 prevention organizations. I just want to 980 00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:57,359 compliment each one of you for what you 981 00:39:57,359 --> 00:39:59,599 bring to the table as elected officials 982 00:39:59,599 --> 00:40:00,800 that I don't know a lot of people 983 00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:04,800 realize and know. Um, in my case, and I 984 00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:06,480 know that our staff, I could go on about 985 00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:08,000 each one of them and gush about their 986 00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:10,800 knowledge, but my background is I 987 00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:12,880 started out in commercial construction 988 00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:16,880 and did that for 10 years, six years. 989 00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:18,800 Anyway, took that, became a building 990 00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:21,760 official, and then during my close to 30 991 00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:23,599 years in government, I've been involved 992 00:40:23,599 --> 00:40:26,560 in multiple construction projects, um, 993 00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:29,599 building buildings, new buildings. Um, 994 00:40:29,599 --> 00:40:32,240 so I think that we bring a vast wealth 995 00:40:32,240 --> 00:40:33,839 of knowledge to this project to make 996 00:40:33,839 --> 00:40:36,400 sure that we're using funds correctly 997 00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:39,359 and protecting the the citizens dollar. 998 00:40:39,359 --> 00:40:40,720 Um, the other thing that we've done 999 00:40:40,720 --> 00:40:44,640 right is we put together a bid package 1000 00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:46,480 for a construction manager, general 1001 00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:48,320 contractor package, some people might 1002 00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:51,040 call it a design build where we hired an 1003 00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:53,040 architect and a contractor at the same 1004 00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:55,520 time. And we've made those two firms 1005 00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:57,040 work together from the very beginning 1006 00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:58,480 through what's referred to as a needs 1007 00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:00,560 assessment to say what do we need and 1008 00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:03,119 are we sizing it correctly and then what 1009 00:41:03,119 --> 00:41:05,200 is the price going to be. That's allowed 1010 00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:08,079 us to make adjustments as the contractor 1011 00:41:08,079 --> 00:41:10,560 says well we can do this cheaper or this 1012 00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:12,160 will work better and they're at the 1013 00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:13,520 table every week as we're working 1014 00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:16,000 through this design process. And so it's 1015 00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:18,160 a very collaborative process much better 1016 00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:20,640 than b a design and then bid it and find 1017 00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:22,079 out you can't afford to build it. And 1018 00:41:22,079 --> 00:41:24,319 I've witnessed that. So, I think we're 1019 00:41:24,319 --> 00:41:26,240 using the most efficient system and one 1020 00:41:26,240 --> 00:41:27,599 that the state of Utah and other 1021 00:41:27,599 --> 00:41:30,079 agencies are using regularly. 1022 00:41:30,079 --> 00:41:31,760 There's been some questions about wages 1023 00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:34,560 and so I just want to put uh to rest 1024 00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:36,960 that um 1025 00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:42,240 all of our staff have um each year we 1026 00:41:42,240 --> 00:41:45,040 look at the cola cost of living that's 1027 00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:49,359 set by um the western region um based on 1028 00:41:49,359 --> 00:41:51,760 economic factors. This year was 2.4. or 1029 00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:55,200 I think last year was 2.4. All employees 1030 00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:56,960 um receive that COLA. That's to keep 1031 00:41:56,960 --> 00:42:00,960 their wages on par with um inflation. 1032 00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:02,880 And then if they meet the requirements 1033 00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:05,760 of their job um under satisfactory 1034 00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:07,680 performance, then they can receive a 1035 00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:10,160 merit increase. And we have a plan that 1036 00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:13,280 has steps. It's not based on years. It's 1037 00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:15,760 just referred to as steps. And those 1038 00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:17,920 steps, depending on where they're at, 1039 00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:20,560 start out at the bottom at about 4.1% 1040 00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:24,240 and at the top go to about 2.5. Um, so 1041 00:42:24,240 --> 00:42:26,480 all employees are receiving the same 1042 00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:30,880 merit steps as everyone else. So, um, an 1043 00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:32,640 inference that directors are getting 1044 00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:36,960 bigger wages. Well, 2.4% of a director's 1045 00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:39,359 wage compared to 2.4 of anybody else's 1046 00:42:39,359 --> 00:42:41,760 wage. It's always 2.4. and where they're 1047 00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:45,680 at on the merit uh steps, it's the same 1048 00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:49,200 percentage. So, um I hope people realize 1049 00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:51,280 that our directors are not getting some 1050 00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:54,720 big fat wage more than others. The 1051 00:42:54,720 --> 00:42:56,480 dollar amounts higher, but it's always 1052 00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:59,440 the same percent. Um, also I just want 1053 00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:00,960 to make sure that people understand that 1054 00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:03,119 we have a wage survey that was done by 1055 00:43:03,119 --> 00:43:05,359 an independent company and they provide 1056 00:43:05,359 --> 00:43:07,839 data to us each year that we refer to 1057 00:43:07,839 --> 00:43:09,599 and make sure that our wages are staying 1058 00:43:09,599 --> 00:43:11,680 comparable. And our goal is to stay in 1059 00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:13,599 the middle of the pack, not the high and 1060 00:43:13,599 --> 00:43:15,680 not the low. And so we use that data 1061 00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:18,960 each year. That company is uh personnel 1062 00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:22,319 systems and services. And so we use that 1063 00:43:22,319 --> 00:43:24,400 and I've left a list of the cities here 1064 00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:27,520 that um they chose to make our 1065 00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:30,160 market-based wage evaluations. Some 1066 00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:31,520 people say, "Well, you should only find 1067 00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:33,200 cities that are the same size as you." 1068 00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:34,800 Well, there's not a lot of cities in the 1069 00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:38,640 state that are exactly 11,000 to 12,000. 1070 00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:40,400 But we also have to look at that we're 1071 00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:41,839 not competing against those cities. 1072 00:43:41,839 --> 00:43:43,119 We're competing against the cities 1073 00:43:43,119 --> 00:43:44,640 around us that want to steal our 1074 00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:47,040 employees. So, it's an amalgamation of 1075 00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:48,800 these. and then we work to find the 1076 00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:50,640 median and that's what we're using to 1077 00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:52,960 set the wages but it's all done by the 1078 00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:54,720 assistance of a third party that helps 1079 00:43:54,720 --> 00:43:56,720 us put that data together and then we 1080 00:43:56,720 --> 00:44:00,960 evaluate it annually. So, um, people can 1081 00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:02,560 have their opinion, but I think we've 1082 00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:04,480 done a very good job of using the same 1083 00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:06,400 system that are used in most of our Utah 1084 00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:08,240 cities of making sure that we're paying 1085 00:44:08,240 --> 00:44:11,119 our employees fairly. And I think we've 1086 00:44:11,119 --> 00:44:12,720 done a good job because when I first got 1087 00:44:12,720 --> 00:44:14,319 here four years ago, we were losing 1088 00:44:14,319 --> 00:44:16,480 employees, police officers like crazy 1089 00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:17,760 and we had to make several wage 1090 00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:20,319 increases. We are now fully staffed with 1091 00:44:20,319 --> 00:44:22,240 our police department. And so I think 1092 00:44:22,240 --> 00:44:24,640 that's a credit to the council's support 1093 00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:26,240 of making sure that we're compensating 1094 00:44:26,240 --> 00:44:29,760 our employees uh fairly and accurately. 1095 00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:30,400 >> Right. 1096 00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:31,280 >> Yes. 1097 00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:33,280 >> I just want to make one comment there. 1098 00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:36,240 The company that we use as we used them 1099 00:44:36,240 --> 00:44:38,640 for that wage survey, they went through 1100 00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:41,119 and evaluated each position, the job 1101 00:44:41,119 --> 00:44:43,760 duties, um the different requirements of 1102 00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:45,280 those positions so that they could 1103 00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:47,440 compare those same positions with a like 1104 00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:50,880 position at another agency. It might be 1105 00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:53,760 that at our agency, at our city, we call 1106 00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:56,960 them one thing. At another city, they 1107 00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:59,200 may call them a different job title, but 1108 00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:01,040 they may be doing the same duties. And 1109 00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:04,000 so rather than just say police officer 1110 00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,319 and police officer, they look at those 1111 00:45:06,319 --> 00:45:08,640 individually um the way that we have 1112 00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:10,480 them categorized and make sure that it's 1113 00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:12,079 the same at the other city, not just 1114 00:45:12,079 --> 00:45:15,280 based on title. So, as we did that, they 1115 00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:20,480 took this all-incclusive look of all of our employees and mapped them out 1116 00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:22,480 and then compared them with the similar 1117 00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:25,520 employee at the other cities, not just 1118 00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:27,280 similar in job title. 1119 00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:30,960 >> Thank you. Good point. Um, and yes, 1120 00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:32,640 there's a lot of science and research 1121 00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:34,720 that goes into all of that and we take 1122 00:45:34,720 --> 00:45:36,800 it very seriously and we evaluate that 1123 00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:39,040 and there's times when some wages in 1124 00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:41,280 some areas are increasing faster than 1125 00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:42,640 the market. So, we make market 1126 00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:44,880 adjustments, but I would say during this 1127 00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:46,400 last year, we did not find the need to 1128 00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:48,400 make a market adjustment with any of the 1129 00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:50,160 wages, which again tells me that we're 1130 00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:51,760 staying kind of a sweet spot in the 1131 00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:54,000 median. And so, uh, very pleased with 1132 00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:55,119 how that's going. 1133 00:45:55,119 --> 00:45:56,960 >> And, and we didn't just offend the young 1134 00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:58,640 men's group. They when they called and 1135 00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:00,720 asked if they could come, they told me 1136 00:46:00,720 --> 00:46:02,640 that they probably wouldn't stay for the 1137 00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:04,000 whole meeting. Was it okay if they 1138 00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:06,880 excused themselves partway through? So, 1139 00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:08,880 just want to make sure that 1140 00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:10,079 >> I'm sure there's others that would 1141 00:46:10,079 --> 00:46:12,640 probably like to sneak out if they have 1142 00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:14,000 to talk much longer, but I want to 1143 00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,560 assure you I'm about done. By state law, 1144 00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:18,480 we have to also show the impact tax 1145 00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:20,560 increase or I'm sorry, the tax impact 1146 00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:22,560 schedule. Um, that is a document that's 1147 00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:25,440 on the back table um for those who want 1148 00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:27,119 to get a copy of that and we have to 1149 00:46:27,119 --> 00:46:29,040 make it available to you. I'm showing 1150 00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:31,520 you here and uh so we've complied with 1151 00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:34,240 that state law requirement. We also have 1152 00:46:34,240 --> 00:46:36,880 to show the Davis County notice of tax 1153 00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:38,880 increases. This is every agency in the 1154 00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:41,680 county that is proposing a tax increase. 1155 00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:43,599 And again, state law says that we have 1156 00:46:43,599 --> 00:46:45,599 to make that available to you. This was 1157 00:46:45,599 --> 00:46:48,160 the only thing last year that tripped us 1158 00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:50,960 up on not making the tax increase. We 1159 00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:52,079 went through the full truth and 1160 00:46:52,079 --> 00:46:54,400 taxation. We submitted to the state, 1161 00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:56,160 submitted at the county, and they came 1162 00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:57,760 back and said, "Oh, sorry. You didn't 1163 00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:00,560 show this paper in your county in your 1164 00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:01,920 council meeting the night of the truth 1165 00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:03,920 and taxation." Well, we never received 1166 00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:06,480 it, so we couldn't share it. 1167 00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:08,000 >> Yeah. We hadn't received it from the 1168 00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:09,760 county in order to be able to share it. 1169 00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:11,119 >> And so, while we went through the 1170 00:47:11,119 --> 00:47:13,520 process, taxes were not increased in 1171 00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:15,200 woods cost last year, in spite of what 1172 00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:16,960 people were led to believe that we went 1173 00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:19,200 through the whole process. So, this 1174 00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:21,280 year, this is like the last thing that 1175 00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:24,319 we have to do to comply with the law. We 1176 00:47:24,319 --> 00:47:26,720 also, under a new law change, have to 1177 00:47:26,720 --> 00:47:28,319 make sure that everybody's aware of how 1178 00:47:28,319 --> 00:47:31,040 to participate. And so Annette and 1179 00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:33,440 others put this notice together that was 1180 00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:36,240 on the website and it tells how you can 1181 00:47:36,240 --> 00:47:38,800 participate here in person tonight. You 1182 00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:42,160 can participate uh virtually uh by 1183 00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:44,880 signing in on Zoom or if people want to 1184 00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:46,880 email, they can also send an email and 1185 00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:48,480 that's down here at the bottom of this 1186 00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:51,040 and you email to apwwoodscross 1187 00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:53,680 uh.gov. And then on the pamphlet there 1188 00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:56,240 was my email. Although due to a typo 1189 00:47:56,240 --> 00:47:58,000 error, it wasn't really my email. But if 1190 00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:00,160 somebody types that in and sends it, it 1191 00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:01,920 will come to me. We created the pseudo 1192 00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:04,079 email. So it will arrive. We've tested 1193 00:48:04,079 --> 00:48:06,640 that. So folks can participate by 1194 00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:09,280 speaking tonight uh submitting something 1195 00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:12,079 virtually or participating virtually 1196 00:48:12,079 --> 00:48:13,839 signing in on Zoom. Now everybody right 1197 00:48:13,839 --> 00:48:17,119 now is locked out. So, you cannot uh 1198 00:48:17,119 --> 00:48:19,040 join the meeting and speak until you 1199 00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:22,400 have um indicated to Sam and Curtis by 1200 00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:23,760 you're raising your hand on Zoom that 1201 00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:25,599 you want to participate. And then at the 1202 00:48:25,599 --> 00:48:28,240 end uh mayor of the inperson and the 1203 00:48:28,240 --> 00:48:30,400 virtual um we'll ask Annette if we've 1204 00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:32,160 received any written comments. We did 1205 00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:34,480 not anticipate to read those verbatim, 1206 00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:36,079 but they will be available to you and 1207 00:48:36,079 --> 00:48:39,359 all the citizens on a link where you can 1208 00:48:39,359 --> 00:48:42,400 read those. And because people may type 1209 00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:44,400 things in on the Zoom, we can't really 1210 00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:46,000 pull those off until after the meeting. 1211 00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:48,400 So, those will be added as we go back 1212 00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:50,559 and pull those off. They'll be added to 1213 00:48:50,559 --> 00:48:53,359 the written records. So, 1214 00:48:53,359 --> 00:48:56,559 I think I've about wore out. Oh, sorry. 1215 00:48:56,559 --> 00:48:59,440 Um, agenda item number three. Oh, it is. 1216 00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:01,760 It's your turn, mayor. Property tax 1217 00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:03,599 public hearing. I will turn the time 1218 00:49:03,599 --> 00:49:04,960 over to you. 1219 00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:07,760 >> Okay. Thank you, Bryce. Um, it's been 1220 00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:10,079 quite a process as the legislature put 1221 00:49:10,079 --> 00:49:12,480 new legislation in place a couple of 1222 00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:15,280 years ago and then strengthened it and 1223 00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:18,880 clarified to make sure that um that 1224 00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:20,319 we're complying with all of their 1225 00:49:20,319 --> 00:49:21,839 different requirements and checking all 1226 00:49:21,839 --> 00:49:24,240 of the boxes. We thought that we had 1227 00:49:24,240 --> 00:49:26,800 done that last year and there um was 1228 00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:29,440 that one piece that was missing because 1229 00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:32,319 it hadn't been provided to us. Um 1230 00:49:32,319 --> 00:49:34,640 anyway, let me go through kind of the 1231 00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:36,800 outline of how we're going to go through 1232 00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:38,880 our public hearing. We want to make sure 1233 00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:41,440 that anyone that wants to make a comment 1234 00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:45,680 has the ability to do that. Um so 1235 00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:47,200 first of all, let me just read this 1236 00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:48,559 statement. And this is something that 1237 00:49:48,559 --> 00:49:51,440 we've been doing now for 1238 00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:54,720 >> years three or four years now as a 1239 00:49:54,720 --> 00:49:58,880 council. Um you'll see it as you come. I 1240 00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:00,880 think it's on the podium still. Is our 1241 00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:02,319 old paper still on the podium? 1242 00:50:02,319 --> 00:50:02,960 >> It is. 1243 00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:06,640 >> Um we we at a conference that we had 1244 00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:10,640 attended um we listened to um a 1245 00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:13,440 presentation about the dignity index and 1246 00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:15,440 as we came back we felt that it was 1247 00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:18,800 important that as a council um and as a 1248 00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:21,920 community that uh that we abide by this 1249 00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:24,319 and um and treat each other with 1250 00:50:24,319 --> 00:50:26,400 respect. So let me just read this 1251 00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:28,480 statement. Woodscross City is committed 1252 00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:31,359 to civility. We strive to act and speak 1253 00:50:31,359 --> 00:50:33,920 with dignity, courtesy, and respect at 1254 00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:37,280 all times. And as participants, um we're 1255 00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:39,359 asking that you would join us and act 1256 00:50:39,359 --> 00:50:42,559 and speak accordingly. Um we are happy 1257 00:50:42,559 --> 00:50:45,920 to have each of you that would like um 1258 00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:49,359 to come and make your comments. We what 1259 00:50:49,359 --> 00:50:51,119 we'll do is we'll start with those that 1260 00:50:51,119 --> 00:50:54,079 are in person first and then once 1261 00:50:54,079 --> 00:50:56,880 everyone in person has had a chance then 1262 00:50:56,880 --> 00:50:59,440 we'll go to those that are um attending 1263 00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:01,760 electronically through Zoom and we'll 1264 00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:05,520 allow them the same process. So in order 1265 00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:08,160 to be on the record what we'd like you 1266 00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:11,200 to do is to come to the podium and if 1267 00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:14,400 you will state your name and the city 1268 00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:18,079 that you reside in. Um, we know that we 1269 00:51:18,079 --> 00:51:19,920 may have some that are from outside of 1270 00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:22,480 Woodscross and that's totally fine. Um, 1271 00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:24,240 but if you will do that for the public 1272 00:51:24,240 --> 00:51:26,800 record and then the the way that we're 1273 00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:28,240 going to do it, our ground rules are 1274 00:51:28,240 --> 00:51:30,800 going to be um you'll be limited to one 1275 00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:32,880 comment. We're not going to make it and 1276 00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:35,280 have people just keep coming back up the 1277 00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:37,680 same people. Each person will get their 1278 00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:40,160 chance. Um, we're going to limit those 1279 00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:43,200 to three minutes so that we're not to to 1280 00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:45,280 3 minutes each, not to a total of three 1281 00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:46,480 minutes because that would be really 1282 00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:50,160 fast. Um, to 3 minutes each just so that 1283 00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:52,640 we can keep it moving and so that we can 1284 00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:54,720 eventually go home and go to bed. But we 1285 00:51:54,720 --> 00:51:58,400 are prepared to stay as long as um we 1286 00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:00,800 have people that have not had their turn 1287 00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:03,359 that would like to make a comment. 1288 00:52:03,359 --> 00:52:05,839 Um, then we'll go to those that are 1289 00:52:05,839 --> 00:52:09,680 virtually. Um, again, Bryce has said 1290 00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:13,359 that if uh people that are online would 1291 00:52:13,359 --> 00:52:15,520 like to make a comment or even I guess 1292 00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:16,880 if you're here, if you don't want to 1293 00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:18,720 come up and make a comment, you're 1294 00:52:18,720 --> 00:52:24,640 welcome to send an email um to AP like 1295 00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:25,680 Apple 1296 00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:28,880 >> without the pool 1297 00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:31,920 >> AP woodscross.gov. 1298 00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:34,720 Um, and we'll get those at the end of 1299 00:52:34,720 --> 00:52:38,240 the meeting. My suggestion would also be 1300 00:52:38,240 --> 00:52:40,160 if you're going to make an electronic 1301 00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:43,359 comment through typing it out, um my 1302 00:52:43,359 --> 00:52:46,400 plan would be to have you again make one 1303 00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:48,960 comment, not a whole string of comments, 1304 00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:50,559 just so that we can keep them together 1305 00:52:50,559 --> 00:52:55,440 and keep them concise. Um I'd also just 1306 00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:59,359 request that we keep a good decorum. Um 1307 00:52:59,359 --> 00:53:01,359 we're here to listen. It will make it 1308 00:53:01,359 --> 00:53:04,720 easier for us to listen if everyone else 1309 00:53:04,720 --> 00:53:07,040 will listen while someone is at the 1310 00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:10,480 podium speaking. Um I I don't want 1311 00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:12,640 cheering and applauding and we'll we 1312 00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:14,880 will understand if you agree with that 1313 00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:18,960 person by what you say. Um we will not 1314 00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:21,920 interrupt. We will listen while each of 1315 00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:24,800 you speak. You may see us taking notes. 1316 00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:26,480 Um we're not ignoring you. We're just 1317 00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:28,240 writing down some notes so that we have 1318 00:53:28,240 --> 00:53:31,280 some um something to jog our memory as 1319 00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:34,319 we think about things. Um and then at 1320 00:53:34,319 --> 00:53:36,800 the end once we put and and again it's 1321 00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:39,280 not intended to be a dialogue back and 1322 00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:41,119 forth. This is your time to speak and 1323 00:53:41,119 --> 00:53:43,280 our time to listen. We'll take some 1324 00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:46,079 notes at the end of that. then I will 1325 00:53:46,079 --> 00:53:48,800 turn the time over to the council and if 1326 00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:52,960 they have um comments or clarification 1327 00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:56,079 or um anything from what they've heard 1328 00:53:56,079 --> 00:53:59,119 then we'll have that discussion. Um at 1329 00:53:59,119 --> 00:54:01,440 the end of that we do have the 1330 00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:03,920 possibility of an action item and that 1331 00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:07,280 action item would be to go ahead and 1332 00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:11,040 adopt um the certified tax rate and 1333 00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:14,400 approve the budget. Now, with that, as 1334 00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:17,040 Bryce mentioned multiple times, um we 1335 00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:20,640 have the ability to go up to that 1336 00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:22,960 percentage amount and the dollar amount 1337 00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:25,520 that was noticed. We can't go higher 1338 00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:28,000 than that. That's our ceiling, our cap 1339 00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:32,880 of what we can go to. That 99 1340 00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:36,480 what was it? 995,000 and some change. Um 1341 00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:40,000 we also have the ability um to go lower 1342 00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:42,720 than that. And so that will be things 1343 00:54:42,720 --> 00:54:44,720 that we consider as we listen, as we 1344 00:54:44,720 --> 00:54:46,640 hear comments, and as we have 1345 00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:49,200 discussion. There's also the possibility 1346 00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:51,040 that we may want to stew on it a little 1347 00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:54,240 bit. Um, not make a decision tonight. If 1348 00:54:54,240 --> 00:54:56,079 we get to the end of the night and after 1349 00:54:56,079 --> 00:54:58,559 our discussion, we're not feeling ready 1350 00:54:58,559 --> 00:55:00,480 to make our decision tonight, then what 1351 00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:02,960 we'll do is we will um have some 1352 00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:05,200 discussion about when we would do that. 1353 00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:08,240 We have to do it between now and the end 1354 00:55:08,240 --> 00:55:10,319 of August. 1355 00:55:10,319 --> 00:55:13,520 Sorry, I'm getting a little dry. Um, by 1356 00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:16,559 law, we have to have those um in place 1357 00:55:16,559 --> 00:55:18,720 by the end of August so that it can make 1358 00:55:18,720 --> 00:55:21,359 it through the process. So, we would 1359 00:55:21,359 --> 00:55:22,960 have another meeting two weeks from 1360 00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:26,000 tonight. So, I'm betting as long as we 1361 00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:28,079 would have a quorum that if we don't do 1362 00:55:28,079 --> 00:55:29,760 it tonight, we would do it on that 1363 00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:31,680 night. I can't say that for sure because 1364 00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:34,400 I haven't asked everyone on the council 1365 00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:36,800 if that works, but so we'll get to that 1366 00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:41,359 point. and um and kind of feel where 1367 00:55:41,359 --> 00:55:43,359 we're at as far as that decision tonight 1368 00:55:43,359 --> 00:55:45,200 and we will let you know before we close 1369 00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:46,480 the meeting. Bryce, 1370 00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:48,160 >> could I just add one thing? If you 1371 00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:50,400 choose not to adopt tonight, there would 1372 00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:53,040 not be another public hearing on correct 1373 00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:54,720 the 18th or whatever date you chose to 1374 00:55:54,720 --> 00:55:56,240 do that. This is the night for that. 1375 00:55:56,240 --> 00:55:58,000 >> That is correct. Tonight is the night 1376 00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:00,240 for public comment. Um there's the 1377 00:56:00,240 --> 00:56:01,920 possibility that if we don't do it 1378 00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:04,400 tonight, we would get back together as 1379 00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:07,280 the council at that future meeting. We 1380 00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:09,359 might have additional discussion, but we 1381 00:56:09,359 --> 00:56:11,280 would not solicit additional public 1382 00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:13,599 comment at that meeting. Tonight is the 1383 00:56:13,599 --> 00:56:15,599 night for that. That's the the reason of 1384 00:56:15,599 --> 00:56:19,040 the public hearing. So, did I miss 1385 00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:21,680 anything or does anyone on council want 1386 00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:24,000 any clarifications of that? 1387 00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:24,400 >> Great. 1388 00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:28,079 >> Okay. Who's our timer? 1389 00:56:28,079 --> 00:56:31,119 >> Chief, um, 1390 00:56:31,119 --> 00:56:33,200 >> how are we going to do this, Chief? when 1391 00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:35,440 they've got 15 seconds left, do you want 1392 00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:38,960 to make a motion, 1393 00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:40,559 something to where they know they're 1394 00:56:40,559 --> 00:56:42,799 coming up on the the the end of their 1395 00:56:42,799 --> 00:56:44,720 time? 1396 00:56:44,720 --> 00:56:45,520 >> I can do that. 1397 00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:47,520 >> Okay. 1398 00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:50,559 >> I just don't want somebody to get 1399 00:56:50,559 --> 00:56:52,079 flustered at the end because all of a 1400 00:56:52,079 --> 00:56:54,319 sudden we cut them off and um we want 1401 00:56:54,319 --> 00:56:56,400 you to be able to say what you'd like. 1402 00:56:56,400 --> 00:56:58,640 When we get to the online folks, we're 1403 00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:00,000 not going to just make it so that 1404 00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:01,760 everyone can take themselves off mute. 1405 00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:05,520 What we'll do is there's the ability to 1406 00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:08,160 >> raise your hand and we can explain more 1407 00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:10,880 about that when we get there. But for 1408 00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:13,440 those that raise their hand, then um 1409 00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:16,000 Curtis or Sam will go through and unmute 1410 00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:19,839 that individual and we'll um we'll let 1411 00:57:19,839 --> 00:57:22,319 you do that when we get to that point. 1412 00:57:22,319 --> 00:57:23,520 So, 1413 00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:26,160 >> okay, with that, we'll go ahead and open 1414 00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:28,400 the public hearing. if there's someone 1415 00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:30,079 that wants to get us. Dennis it looks 1416 00:57:30,079 --> 00:57:33,119 like is going to get us started. So, um 1417 00:57:33,119 --> 00:57:37,119 again, don't be offended if we're um if 1418 00:57:37,119 --> 00:57:42,069 we're up here taking notes. 1419 00:57:42,079 --> 00:57:43,920 Good evening, Woodscross City Council. 1420 00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:46,480 I'm Dennis Hooper. I live on 1250 West 1421 00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:49,520 for the last 34 years. And I would like 1422 00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:52,400 to quote some statistics from the US 1423 00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:55,520 Census Bureau that I looked up um 1424 00:57:55,520 --> 00:57:58,079 concerning Woodscross and why I'm 1425 00:57:58,079 --> 00:58:01,920 against this increase. Um the estimated 1426 00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:04,319 population of Woods Cross for 2026 is 1427 00:58:04,319 --> 00:58:06,799 11,432. 1428 00:58:06,799 --> 00:58:10,720 The last census in 2020, the population 1429 00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:13,359 was 11,371. 1430 00:58:13,359 --> 00:58:16,559 That's only an increase of 61 people. 1431 00:58:16,559 --> 00:58:18,960 The current rate of population growth 1432 00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:22,400 for Woods Cry City is 0.03 1433 00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:24,480 less than 1%. 1434 00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:27,760 Long-term estimates growth of 2% which I 1435 00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:30,400 think is really stretching it. Everybody 1436 00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:32,880 that would currently own horse property 1437 00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:34,640 or vacant property would have to sell to 1438 00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:36,000 a developer and that's not going to 1439 00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:38,799 happen. The poverty rate in Woods Cross 1440 00:58:38,799 --> 00:58:40,640 is 4.8%. 1441 00:58:40,640 --> 00:58:43,520 That means there's 549 people in this 1442 00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:46,160 city living in poverty and that's based 1443 00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:49,359 on the population estimate of 2026. 1444 00:58:49,359 --> 00:58:52,079 Woodscross properties the Woodscross 1445 00:58:52,079 --> 00:58:55,280 property tax rate is currently is the 1446 00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:59,440 highest in the county at 62%. 1447 00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:02,160 Um, according to Google, 1448 00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:04,319 this building originally was built in 1449 00:59:04,319 --> 00:59:08,079 1968 and the flyer says 1969. 1450 00:59:08,079 --> 00:59:11,520 So, it's either 57 years old or 57 58 1451 00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:14,559 years old. It's not 60 years old like 1452 00:59:14,559 --> 00:59:16,400 the journal that came out in the city 1453 00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:20,880 journal. And it's not um close to 60 1454 00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:23,440 years as in the newsletter. 1455 00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:25,839 Um, as per an article in the city 1456 00:59:25,839 --> 00:59:28,319 journal, preliminary cost for the new 1457 00:59:28,319 --> 00:59:32,079 city hall and the park was $33 million. 1458 00:59:32,079 --> 00:59:36,240 The newsletter says $18 million. Um, and 1459 00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:38,240 now in according to this meeting, it's 1460 00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:42,079 $25 million. That's really 1461 00:59:42,079 --> 00:59:44,720 not good information to put out there. 1462 00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:47,280 Woodscross is very is a very slow 1463 00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:49,599 growing city with a limited area for 1464 00:59:49,599 --> 00:59:52,240 development unless large land owners 1465 00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:55,040 decide to sell. Um yes, the police 1466 00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:57,280 department needs more space. I agree 1467 00:59:57,280 --> 00:59:59,599 with that. We have a large gathering 1468 00:59:59,599 --> 01:00:01,599 space in the public works building 1469 01:00:01,599 --> 01:00:05,040 already. We don't need another one. Um 1470 01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:08,000 Hogan Park is just fine. I feel Hogan 1471 01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:10,640 Park is just fine the way it is. If you 1472 01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:12,799 do anything as the drawing shows, it's 1473 01:00:12,799 --> 01:00:15,760 going to lose its current character. 1474 01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:17,920 The city paid a million dollars or more 1475 01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:21,440 for the Duna property on 1500 South next 1476 01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:24,720 to Mills Park. No development is 1477 01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:27,040 mentioned in this plan of that property. 1478 01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:28,720 >> Seconds. 1479 01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:29,440 >> 20 seconds. 1480 01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:32,480 >> Oh, okay. Um I was a convention delegate 1481 01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:34,240 for the county. I'm not going to mention 1482 01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:37,119 which property. the the came it came up 1483 01:00:37,119 --> 01:00:39,599 many many times about people that are in 1484 01:00:39,599 --> 01:00:42,160 fixed on fixed incomes that can't afford 1485 01:00:42,160 --> 01:00:44,480 tax increases and this would be one of 1486 01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:46,480 them and thank you. 1487 01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:57,030 >> Thanks Dennis. 1488 01:00:57,040 --> 01:00:59,599 » If you'd like you could bring the the 1489 01:00:59,599 --> 01:01:00,400 microphone to her. 1490 01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:03,359 >> I'll need to. Yeah. 1491 01:01:03,359 --> 01:01:05,359 >> Okay. Thank you. 1492 01:01:05,359 --> 01:01:08,000 Uh, I'm Ruth Payne. 1493 01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:15,349 I moved into Woodscross in 1955. 1494 01:01:15,359 --> 01:01:18,400 I have been involved with the city in my 1495 01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:22,799 younger years until I couldn't walk. 1496 01:01:22,799 --> 01:01:25,280 Anyway, I just want you to know that I 1497 01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:29,040 was here when this building went up. My 1498 01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:32,640 husband was on city council at the time. 1499 01:01:32,640 --> 01:01:35,680 The mayor was Walter Moss 1500 01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:38,880 and it was a thrill to see something go 1501 01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:41,359 up on this property. 1502 01:01:41,359 --> 01:01:44,079 I'm thrilled to see what the city does. 1503 01:01:44,079 --> 01:01:46,160 I've been pleased. 1504 01:01:46,160 --> 01:01:48,319 I have not been a great critic because 1505 01:01:48,319 --> 01:01:52,640 I've tried to be involved so that I, you 1506 01:01:52,640 --> 01:01:56,799 know, could learn from all of you. But I 1507 01:01:56,799 --> 01:02:00,319 just wanted you to know that I'm for the 1508 01:02:00,319 --> 01:02:03,680 tax increase. I want to see the building 1509 01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:05,280 improved. 1510 01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:08,640 I want to see Woods Cross improved. And 1511 01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:10,640 I think 1512 01:02:10,640 --> 01:02:14,319 where you want to build it is perfect on 1513 01:02:14,319 --> 01:02:18,000 this spot because it's it used to be the 1514 01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:19,839 middle of the city. Now it's we're on 1515 01:02:19,839 --> 01:02:22,160 the tail end. 1516 01:02:22,160 --> 01:02:25,280 But it it's fabulous. And I love the 1517 01:02:25,280 --> 01:02:27,760 park. I've worked with recreation. I've 1518 01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:30,160 worked with the kids. 1519 01:02:30,160 --> 01:02:33,359 I've loved the city. The police people 1520 01:02:33,359 --> 01:02:36,720 have been great. I have I just don't 1521 01:02:36,720 --> 01:02:39,839 have any complaints. I know that we have 1522 01:02:39,839 --> 01:02:44,880 to re uh we have to raise taxes. I know 1523 01:02:44,880 --> 01:02:48,720 we enjoy everything we get from it. And 1524 01:02:48,720 --> 01:02:53,040 I just just want you to know that there 1525 01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:56,240 are still people here 1526 01:02:56,240 --> 01:03:00,799 who admire and love this place 1527 01:03:00,799 --> 01:03:05,119 and and I'm for it. I hope that 1528 01:03:05,119 --> 01:03:08,079 people will appreciate. 1529 01:03:08,079 --> 01:03:10,160 You know, I've lived through a lot of 1530 01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:13,359 mayors and a lot of people and I don't 1531 01:03:13,359 --> 01:03:16,720 think we've ever had a bad one. So keep 1532 01:03:16,720 --> 01:03:20,319 it up you guys. I'm all for you. 1533 01:03:20,319 --> 01:03:37,670 >> Thanks 1534 01:03:37,680 --> 01:03:50,950 » She said throw me in jail. 1535 01:03:50,960 --> 01:03:54,549 I guess 1536 01:03:54,559 --> 01:03:56,400 » great comment. 1537 01:03:56,400 --> 01:03:58,240 >> My name is Greg Johnson. I've lived in 1538 01:03:58,240 --> 01:04:01,839 the city for 27 years. Um I'm totally in 1539 01:04:01,839 --> 01:04:06,000 favor of the um city center getting 1540 01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:08,240 redone and everything like that. I I 1541 01:04:08,240 --> 01:04:10,160 have some problems with the park. 1542 01:04:10,160 --> 01:04:13,440 However, um I noticed the park plan. 1543 01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:15,359 We're getting rid of the baseball park 1544 01:04:15,359 --> 01:04:20,079 and that kind of bothers me because my children had great memories. I see 1545 01:04:20,079 --> 01:04:23,119 people out here, you know, and like this 1546 01:04:23,119 --> 01:04:24,720 brother said back here, I don't think we 1547 01:04:24,720 --> 01:04:27,599 need to uh fix the park. I noticed too 1548 01:04:27,599 --> 01:04:29,119 the way it's configured, it has all 1549 01:04:29,119 --> 01:04:32,559 these bushes around in a circle and it 1550 01:04:32,559 --> 01:04:33,760 just 1551 01:04:33,760 --> 01:04:34,960 >> trees. What? 1552 01:04:34,960 --> 01:04:36,799 >> They're trees. They just look like 1553 01:04:36,799 --> 01:04:37,520 bushes. 1554 01:04:37,520 --> 01:04:38,480 >> I know. 1555 01:04:38,480 --> 01:04:42,559 I just Anyway, I just one other thing I 1556 01:04:42,559 --> 01:04:44,640 just want to say is that I I think I 1557 01:04:44,640 --> 01:04:47,440 would like to see the city center be 1558 01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:49,119 done one year and the park the other 1559 01:04:49,119 --> 01:04:51,200 because I'm retired and I'm going to fix 1560 01:04:51,200 --> 01:04:54,160 income with two disabled children and 1561 01:04:54,160 --> 01:04:57,039 these taxes are crazy for this year and 1562 01:04:57,039 --> 01:04:58,720 I didn't know if you could resubmit it 1563 01:04:58,720 --> 01:05:00,319 for like the next year and kind of split 1564 01:05:00,319 --> 01:05:03,599 it up so the citizens of the um of Woods 1565 01:05:03,599 --> 01:05:05,520 Cross don't have to pay an exorbitant 1566 01:05:05,520 --> 01:05:08,319 amount of taxes one year, you on. It's 1567 01:05:08,319 --> 01:05:10,640 kind of split up a little bit. So, thank 1568 01:05:10,640 --> 01:05:11,119 you. 1569 01:05:11,119 --> 01:05:12,240 >> Thanks, Greg. Greg. 1570 01:05:12,240 --> 01:05:18,710 >> Thank you. 1571 01:05:18,720 --> 01:05:20,960 » Hi. Um, I'm Ron James. I live here in 1572 01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:23,280 Woodscross. Um, I think that the 1573 01:05:23,280 --> 01:05:25,839 proposal as is should be tabled. And the 1574 01:05:25,839 --> 01:05:27,440 reason why I say that is because I 1575 01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:29,920 believe that this community deserves a 1576 01:05:29,920 --> 01:05:31,839 separate police department, their own 1577 01:05:31,839 --> 01:05:34,640 building, and to be able to organize all 1578 01:05:34,640 --> 01:05:36,000 that, have the space and everything 1579 01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:37,839 because I I do agree it's totally 1580 01:05:37,839 --> 01:05:40,240 overcrowded, but I think there should be 1581 01:05:40,240 --> 01:05:41,920 a separation there. And I think that's 1582 01:05:41,920 --> 01:05:44,480 it's long overdue. Uh most communities 1583 01:05:44,480 --> 01:05:46,640 do have that with their judicial area 1584 01:05:46,640 --> 01:05:49,039 and police department separated that 1585 01:05:49,039 --> 01:05:52,559 way. Um, I also believe that, you know, 1586 01:05:52,559 --> 01:05:55,359 prior proper planning prevents piss poor 1587 01:05:55,359 --> 01:05:57,039 performance. And that's it's an army 1588 01:05:57,039 --> 01:05:59,599 anacronism some people might understand. 1589 01:05:59,599 --> 01:06:01,200 U but I don't think we've planned 1590 01:06:01,200 --> 01:06:04,640 properly. Uh meaning that this is not a 1591 01:06:04,640 --> 01:06:06,559 surprise. We know we've been busting at 1592 01:06:06,559 --> 01:06:09,520 the seams for how long? And this is not 1593 01:06:09,520 --> 01:06:11,280 a surprise. So now all of a sudden it's 1594 01:06:11,280 --> 01:06:13,760 bam, we're going to hit the tax lo the 1595 01:06:13,760 --> 01:06:15,200 tax code higher and we're going to do 1596 01:06:15,200 --> 01:06:17,359 all these things when incrementally we 1597 01:06:17,359 --> 01:06:19,359 could have increased those taxes 1598 01:06:19,359 --> 01:06:21,920 yeartoear to build the war chest that we 1599 01:06:21,920 --> 01:06:23,520 would have needed to do these things we 1600 01:06:23,520 --> 01:06:25,599 want to do now. And I just think that 1601 01:06:25,599 --> 01:06:27,920 the planning just was not there. I think 1602 01:06:27,920 --> 01:06:29,839 we need to reboot this thing, understand 1603 01:06:29,839 --> 01:06:31,760 what the priorities are, and the 1604 01:06:31,760 --> 01:06:33,760 priorities based on what I've seen with 1605 01:06:33,760 --> 01:06:36,559 the presentation all lie in the people 1606 01:06:36,559 --> 01:06:38,640 that serve and protect this community. 1607 01:06:38,640 --> 01:06:40,480 And we should keep that separated and we 1608 01:06:40,480 --> 01:06:41,920 should get give them the every 1609 01:06:41,920 --> 01:06:43,520 opportunity to have the facilities they 1610 01:06:43,520 --> 01:06:46,480 need. And that's my take on it. Thank 1611 01:06:46,480 --> 01:06:46,880 you. 1612 01:06:46,880 --> 01:07:03,430 >> Thanks, Ron. 1613 01:07:03,440 --> 01:07:06,400 My name's Leanne Hansen. I live in a 1614 01:07:06,400 --> 01:07:08,400 townhouse. 1615 01:07:08,400 --> 01:07:11,119 Um, I am not a tree hugger, but I could 1616 01:07:11,119 --> 01:07:13,200 become one. 1617 01:07:13,200 --> 01:07:15,119 I think this needs to be divided in 1618 01:07:15,119 --> 01:07:17,599 half. I think the building should be a 1619 01:07:17,599 --> 01:07:20,160 separate issue from the park. 1620 01:07:20,160 --> 01:07:24,000 just re rearding the park. It just seems 1621 01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:26,079 like everything you're doing is tearing 1622 01:07:26,079 --> 01:07:28,880 up what's already there and then moving 1623 01:07:28,880 --> 01:07:31,440 the same things a little different 1624 01:07:31,440 --> 01:07:35,599 place. We currently have parking and a 1625 01:07:35,599 --> 01:07:38,880 pavilion and pickle ball, basketball, 1626 01:07:38,880 --> 01:07:40,799 restrooms, playgrounds, and we're going 1627 01:07:40,799 --> 01:07:42,960 to keep all that stuff. We're just going 1628 01:07:42,960 --> 01:07:44,559 to move it all in a different place, 1629 01:07:44,559 --> 01:07:47,599 which is just a lot of money. And we're 1630 01:07:47,599 --> 01:07:51,200 going to lose baseball. Like Greg said, 1631 01:07:51,200 --> 01:07:53,440 we're going to lose a lot of shade and 1632 01:07:53,440 --> 01:07:54,799 we're going to lose all of that open 1633 01:07:54,799 --> 01:07:57,760 grass that's right there. I think if we 1634 01:07:57,760 --> 01:08:00,319 have to rebuild a building, I think it 1635 01:08:00,319 --> 01:08:02,000 should be on the location where we are 1636 01:08:02,000 --> 01:08:04,240 right now. And I think the police, if 1637 01:08:04,240 --> 01:08:06,240 they need another building, it should be 1638 01:08:06,240 --> 01:08:09,599 somewhere else. I like this city. I like 1639 01:08:09,599 --> 01:08:12,640 this park the way it is. There's big 1640 01:08:12,640 --> 01:08:14,640 trees here. There's a pavilion that you 1641 01:08:14,640 --> 01:08:16,880 can park close to and you can have 1642 01:08:16,880 --> 01:08:18,799 shade. There's shade on that pavilion 1643 01:08:18,799 --> 01:08:20,960 right now. I think that's one of the 1644 01:08:20,960 --> 01:08:23,520 biggest things about a park or the 1645 01:08:23,520 --> 01:08:26,880 trees. And this plan is just going to 1646 01:08:26,880 --> 01:08:29,359 tear them all down and plant new ones, 1647 01:08:29,359 --> 01:08:32,319 which will be great in 20 years or 50 1648 01:08:32,319 --> 01:08:36,159 years when we're all gone. 1649 01:08:36,159 --> 01:08:37,679 And I know that some of these trees on 1650 01:08:37,679 --> 01:08:39,279 this side are going to be retained 1651 01:08:39,279 --> 01:08:40,799 hopefully, but they're going to be on 1652 01:08:40,799 --> 01:08:42,799 the front side of the building. I mean, 1653 01:08:42,799 --> 01:08:44,480 people aren't going to be using the 1654 01:08:44,480 --> 01:08:46,000 front side of the building for any of 1655 01:08:46,000 --> 01:08:47,440 their activities. That's just going to 1656 01:08:47,440 --> 01:08:49,839 be an ornamental part. 1657 01:08:49,839 --> 01:08:52,159 Also, the role of city government is 1658 01:08:52,159 --> 01:08:55,279 messy. Your job is 1659 01:08:55,279 --> 01:08:57,520 garbage and sewage and exploding 1660 01:08:57,520 --> 01:09:00,239 refineries and potholes and nasty things 1661 01:09:00,239 --> 01:09:03,679 like that. And a lot I know Bryce didn't 1662 01:09:03,679 --> 01:09:05,520 mention any of this tonight, but in the 1663 01:09:05,520 --> 01:09:07,440 article in the paper and in other 1664 01:09:07,440 --> 01:09:09,440 promotional 1665 01:09:09,440 --> 01:09:12,000 um literature, you know, they're talking 1666 01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:14,319 about Easter egg hunts, pumpkins in the 1667 01:09:14,319 --> 01:09:16,239 park, Santa Claus, baby showers, 1668 01:09:16,239 --> 01:09:18,799 weddings, birthday parties, even 1669 01:09:18,799 --> 01:09:21,359 concerts. Please don't do concerts here. 1670 01:09:21,359 --> 01:09:24,000 This is way too close to where people 1671 01:09:24,000 --> 01:09:28,719 live. I think the city needs to focus on 1672 01:09:28,719 --> 01:09:30,719 city things. build a building that's 1673 01:09:30,719 --> 01:09:33,199 adequate to city needs. You're proposing 1674 01:09:33,199 --> 01:09:37,040 a 46% tax increase. And these are all 1675 01:09:37,040 --> 01:09:41,520 the people that showed up. This space is 1676 01:09:41,520 --> 01:09:43,199 >> what? 1677 01:09:43,199 --> 01:09:45,199 >> This space is adequate for what we need 1678 01:09:45,199 --> 01:09:50,880 for city functions. And if we can use city 1679 01:09:50,880 --> 01:09:52,880 buildings for other extraneous things, 1680 01:09:52,880 --> 01:09:55,120 that's fine. But we should not build the 1681 01:09:55,120 --> 01:09:57,679 building for things like Easter egg 1682 01:09:57,679 --> 01:10:00,640 hunts and birthday parties and wedding 1683 01:10:00,640 --> 01:10:04,080 receptions and other extraneous things. 1684 01:10:04,080 --> 01:10:08,000 Um, also Utons are dumb. 1685 01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:10,800 Utons will vote for any tax. It's your 1686 01:10:10,800 --> 01:10:13,600 job to protect us from ourselves. Thank 1687 01:10:13,600 --> 01:10:14,480 you. 1688 01:10:14,480 --> 01:10:26,709 >> Thanks, man. 1689 01:10:26,719 --> 01:10:30,719 Hi, Michelle Hooper. Uh, 1250 West. Um, 1690 01:10:30,719 --> 01:10:32,640 as Dennis said, we've lived here for 34 1691 01:10:32,640 --> 01:10:35,679 years. So, we watched 1692 01:10:35,679 --> 01:10:38,320 almost all of the growth west of us 1693 01:10:38,320 --> 01:10:40,159 except for Duna's house and one little 1694 01:10:40,159 --> 01:10:42,159 tiny house by the airport. Everything 1695 01:10:42,159 --> 01:10:44,960 else was built up since we moved here. I 1696 01:10:44,960 --> 01:10:48,320 have always said when we retire, I 1697 01:10:48,320 --> 01:10:50,400 wanted to move somewhere that was really 1698 01:10:50,400 --> 01:10:54,560 country. I love the feel of our town. 1699 01:10:54,560 --> 01:10:57,360 Um, we really really missed our huge 1700 01:10:57,360 --> 01:11:00,239 trees on 1500 in front of Kahun and 1701 01:11:00,239 --> 01:11:03,280 Peters and you know those all went down 1702 01:11:03,280 --> 01:11:05,040 because we widened the road which was 1703 01:11:05,040 --> 01:11:09,280 wonderful but we miss our huge trees. 1704 01:11:09,280 --> 01:11:12,000 We would really miss these wonderful 1705 01:11:12,000 --> 01:11:14,320 trees that are here at the park. 1706 01:11:14,320 --> 01:11:17,679 Um, but we are a big supporter of the 1707 01:11:17,679 --> 01:11:19,840 city. I worked as a crossing guard for 1708 01:11:19,840 --> 01:11:22,480 12 years. My children were all in city 1709 01:11:22,480 --> 01:11:24,719 council. Two of them were mayors. We 1710 01:11:24,719 --> 01:11:27,760 love and support the city. It is not 1711 01:11:27,760 --> 01:11:31,040 this is not saying anything bad about 1712 01:11:31,040 --> 01:11:34,239 the council or the city, but 1713 01:11:34,239 --> 01:11:37,600 this is something I feel that should be 1714 01:11:37,600 --> 01:11:40,960 put to all of the citizens 1715 01:11:40,960 --> 01:11:44,239 um decision making. It needs to be on 1716 01:11:44,239 --> 01:11:47,199 the ballot in November to see if the 1717 01:11:47,199 --> 01:11:50,400 city wants to go into this much debt, 1718 01:11:50,400 --> 01:11:54,320 the 46% increase. It's massive for one 1719 01:11:54,320 --> 01:11:57,360 year. Um, it should be on the bond or on 1720 01:11:57,360 --> 01:12:00,560 the bill on the on the election in 1721 01:12:00,560 --> 01:12:05,360 November as a bond issue. Um, 1722 01:12:05,360 --> 01:12:09,760 so, oh, and then, um, yes, I agree that 1723 01:12:09,760 --> 01:12:11,679 the police department, they are bursting 1724 01:12:11,679 --> 01:12:14,320 at the seams. I've been back in the back 1725 01:12:14,320 --> 01:12:18,080 two rooms eons ago. Um, and yes, they 1726 01:12:18,080 --> 01:12:21,360 are small and I understand. So, put them 1727 01:12:21,360 --> 01:12:24,000 in a separate building. There's an empty 1728 01:12:24,000 --> 01:12:26,800 building just down 8th west on the way 1729 01:12:26,800 --> 01:12:28,640 to the freeway. Everybody knows that 1730 01:12:28,640 --> 01:12:30,239 huge building that I don't even think 1731 01:12:30,239 --> 01:12:33,120 has ever even had anything in it since 1732 01:12:33,120 --> 01:12:38,400 it was built. Um, that's there. But yes, 1733 01:12:38,400 --> 01:12:40,800 put them in a separate building. The 1734 01:12:40,800 --> 01:12:43,360 park is wonderful the way it is. It's 1735 01:12:43,360 --> 01:12:46,880 going to lose so much of its character 1736 01:12:46,880 --> 01:12:49,520 when all these trees are gone. 1737 01:12:49,520 --> 01:12:52,640 Um, yes, it'll take 30 years for the new 1738 01:12:52,640 --> 01:12:54,960 trees to grow because we've done that 1739 01:12:54,960 --> 01:12:56,719 and it does. It takes almost 30 years 1740 01:12:56,719 --> 01:12:58,719 for trees to grow and become huge and 1741 01:12:58,719 --> 01:13:00,719 wonderful and shady. 1742 01:13:00,719 --> 01:13:04,400 Put it to the citizens on the election. 1743 01:13:04,400 --> 01:13:06,000 Every single citizen. 1744 01:13:06,000 --> 01:13:08,320 >> Um, thank you for everything you do for 1745 01:13:08,320 --> 01:13:11,040 us. We are grateful for your time. It's 1746 01:13:11,040 --> 01:13:12,719 a lot of time. Thank you. 1747 01:13:12,719 --> 01:13:36,390 >> Thanks, Michelle. 1748 01:13:36,400 --> 01:13:39,040 Hi there. My name is Leola Mickelson. I 1749 01:13:39,040 --> 01:13:43,600 live on Current Drive. Have done for 68 1750 01:13:43,600 --> 01:13:45,360 years. 1751 01:13:45,360 --> 01:13:48,480 Um, the one thing I think you need to 1752 01:13:48,480 --> 01:13:52,320 consider, those of us that are on 1753 01:13:52,320 --> 01:13:55,520 retired income, which is not much, 1754 01:13:55,520 --> 01:13:57,440 believe me, 1755 01:13:57,440 --> 01:14:00,880 this is a huge raise for us. And I think 1756 01:14:00,880 --> 01:14:04,480 you really need to consider the amount. 1757 01:14:04,480 --> 01:14:06,880 It's like double of what we've been used 1758 01:14:06,880 --> 01:14:08,320 to. 1759 01:14:08,320 --> 01:14:10,320 So I think this is something that should 1760 01:14:10,320 --> 01:14:12,239 be considered 1761 01:14:12,239 --> 01:14:16,719 because we can't afford it. 1762 01:14:16,719 --> 01:14:17,600 >> Thank you. 1763 01:14:17,600 --> 01:14:34,149 >> Thanks. 1764 01:14:34,159 --> 01:14:36,000 I'm R Cleverly. I live in Woodscross. 1765 01:14:36,000 --> 01:14:39,280 We've lived here for 20 plus years. 1766 01:14:39,280 --> 01:14:41,760 I'm not totally against needing a new 1767 01:14:41,760 --> 01:14:43,440 building, whether it's a police 1768 01:14:43,440 --> 01:14:46,000 department all on its own or a combined 1769 01:14:46,000 --> 01:14:48,400 building, but I think community space is 1770 01:14:48,400 --> 01:14:51,840 not a need. It's a want and we need to 1771 01:14:51,840 --> 01:14:53,679 take care of our wants at another time 1772 01:14:53,679 --> 01:14:57,199 and not at a percent a 47% tax increase 1773 01:14:57,199 --> 01:14:59,520 that will never go away. You're going to 1774 01:14:59,520 --> 01:15:01,679 put that on us and that will stay on us 1775 01:15:01,679 --> 01:15:03,600 for the rest of our time that we're 1776 01:15:03,600 --> 01:15:05,920 here. You guys never lower taxes. you 1777 01:15:05,920 --> 01:15:09,840 only raise them, they go up. On top of 1778 01:15:09,840 --> 01:15:13,040 the 47%, you are receiving another 3% 1779 01:15:13,040 --> 01:15:14,800 increase because of property value 1780 01:15:14,800 --> 01:15:18,159 increases that the county doesn't say is 1781 01:15:18,159 --> 01:15:19,520 an increase. Even though they're 1782 01:15:19,520 --> 01:15:21,199 increasing our value on our homes, 1783 01:15:21,199 --> 01:15:25,520 another 3% on top of what you're 1784 01:15:25,520 --> 01:15:27,920 getting. So, you're going to get 3% 1785 01:15:27,920 --> 01:15:30,880 increase in our tax, our property tax, 1786 01:15:30,880 --> 01:15:32,239 just based on the fact that they're 1787 01:15:32,239 --> 01:15:34,719 increasing the values of our homes. And 1788 01:15:34,719 --> 01:15:37,440 then you want to add 47% on top of it 1789 01:15:37,440 --> 01:15:40,000 for a building that half of it is want 1790 01:15:40,000 --> 01:15:42,640 not need. I understand the need some of 1791 01:15:42,640 --> 01:15:44,480 the needs that we yeah the building is 1792 01:15:44,480 --> 01:15:46,400 old but I don't think all old buildings 1793 01:15:46,400 --> 01:15:49,520 are bad but there are some needs and I 1794 01:15:49,520 --> 01:15:50,800 get it we need either a police 1795 01:15:50,800 --> 01:15:53,440 department on its own or a new building 1796 01:15:53,440 --> 01:15:56,000 that will house all that but we don't 1797 01:15:56,000 --> 01:15:57,920 need all the community center part and I 1798 01:15:57,920 --> 01:15:59,280 don't think we need to redo the park 1799 01:15:59,280 --> 01:16:04,239 either. So it is overly being done and 1800 01:16:04,239 --> 01:16:06,480 that is like I said those are wants that 1801 01:16:06,480 --> 01:16:10,000 are being done not all needs. 1802 01:16:10,000 --> 01:16:14,149 >> Thanks Rhett 1803 01:16:14,159 --> 01:16:16,239 » Margie Shank. I live just a block from 1804 01:16:16,239 --> 01:16:18,560 here. Uh my house taxes have gone up 1805 01:16:18,560 --> 01:16:21,360 $200 more this year. 1806 01:16:21,360 --> 01:16:23,920 And um Colorado 70 and over you don't 1807 01:16:23,920 --> 01:16:25,360 have to pay house taxes. And wouldn't 1808 01:16:25,360 --> 01:16:28,320 that be lovely here? Also, the I'd live 1809 01:16:28,320 --> 01:16:30,239 on this street here, 1500. I mentioned 1810 01:16:30,239 --> 01:16:32,640 to the police chiefs years ago, if you 1811 01:16:32,640 --> 01:16:34,960 ticketed those race car drivers from the 1812 01:16:34,960 --> 01:16:37,360 stop sign or the light on in 3 to 5 1813 01:16:37,360 --> 01:16:39,679 years, you'd pay for this new building. 1814 01:16:39,679 --> 01:16:42,239 It's ridiculous the way people speed. 1815 01:16:42,239 --> 01:16:44,719 And I'm just surprised that someone and 1816 01:16:44,719 --> 01:16:47,040 children haven't been killed because one 1817 01:16:47,040 --> 01:16:49,840 time a truck lost its pup and hit my big 1818 01:16:49,840 --> 01:16:52,080 cherry tree and five kindergarteners had 1819 01:16:52,080 --> 01:16:54,560 just walked by and that was just an 1820 01:16:54,560 --> 01:16:56,640 accident. But here again, those of us 1821 01:16:56,640 --> 01:16:59,679 who have homes that are paid for aren't 1822 01:16:59,679 --> 01:17:01,040 going to be able to live there because 1823 01:17:01,040 --> 01:17:03,199 we can't afford the house taxes. So, I 1824 01:17:03,199 --> 01:17:05,199 wish you'd adopt what Colorado does when 1825 01:17:05,199 --> 01:17:07,600 you're uh a certain age. No more house 1826 01:17:07,600 --> 01:17:09,199 tax so that you can live comfortably 1827 01:17:09,199 --> 01:17:12,960 till you die. And uh let's see. Another 1828 01:17:12,960 --> 01:17:14,560 thing I have a problem with is these 1829 01:17:14,560 --> 01:17:16,719 weeds across the street. That's a real 1830 01:17:16,719 --> 01:17:18,960 problem to my home and we've been trying 1831 01:17:18,960 --> 01:17:20,560 to work on it. And of course, the church 1832 01:17:20,560 --> 01:17:22,400 owns it and they were a no-show Tuesday 1833 01:17:22,400 --> 01:17:24,800 for Courtbait. Now, maybe there's a 1834 01:17:24,800 --> 01:17:27,120 volunteer system here of somebody who 1835 01:17:27,120 --> 01:17:30,000 can cut down four and five feet weeds. 1836 01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:32,800 It's it's a danger to my home and every 1837 01:17:32,800 --> 01:17:36,320 summer we go through that. Thank you. 1838 01:17:36,320 --> 01:17:44,950 >> Thank you. 1839 01:17:44,960 --> 01:17:47,440 » My name is Spencer McBride, resident of 1840 01:17:47,440 --> 01:17:49,199 Woodscross. 1841 01:17:49,199 --> 01:17:52,000 Generally speaking, I'm not a fan of 1842 01:17:52,000 --> 01:17:55,120 more taxes, but I also try to take a 1843 01:17:55,120 --> 01:17:57,840 long view and I think about the 1844 01:17:57,840 --> 01:18:01,199 residents of the city who agreed to pay 1845 01:18:01,199 --> 01:18:05,199 more taxes when Mills Park was built, 1846 01:18:05,199 --> 01:18:07,920 when this building was built, 1847 01:18:07,920 --> 01:18:11,600 when Hogan Park was built. 1848 01:18:11,600 --> 01:18:14,480 And it meant more taxes then, 1849 01:18:14,480 --> 01:18:16,480 but it meant 1850 01:18:16,480 --> 01:18:19,280 a better community long term. 1851 01:18:19,280 --> 01:18:21,760 And I I think that matters. I I think 1852 01:18:21,760 --> 01:18:24,640 two things can be true at once. 1853 01:18:24,640 --> 01:18:28,239 That it's hard to pay more. We feel it 1854 01:18:28,239 --> 01:18:32,000 in our budgets. It hurts. 1855 01:18:32,000 --> 01:18:36,560 And if we do it for the right things, 1856 01:18:36,560 --> 01:18:39,360 it's worth it. So, I for one am in favor 1857 01:18:39,360 --> 01:18:42,480 of this plan. I was part of the citizen 1858 01:18:42,480 --> 01:18:44,960 group that was asked from time to time 1859 01:18:44,960 --> 01:18:47,360 over the last couple years, their 1860 01:18:47,360 --> 01:18:49,920 opinions, and their thoughts. And what I 1861 01:18:49,920 --> 01:18:52,320 saw was a city council that was taking 1862 01:18:52,320 --> 01:18:54,719 its time, that was thinking this 1863 01:18:54,719 --> 01:18:58,320 through, that was not acting hastily. 1864 01:18:58,320 --> 01:19:00,640 And I appreciate you guys for doing 1865 01:19:00,640 --> 01:19:06,239 that. And I I hope as much as I won't 1866 01:19:06,239 --> 01:19:07,760 enjoy 1867 01:19:07,760 --> 01:19:10,000 paying a little more. 1868 01:19:10,000 --> 01:19:11,520 Um 1869 01:19:11,520 --> 01:19:13,760 I think I will benefit from it as a 1870 01:19:13,760 --> 01:19:16,640 community member now. But I also think 1871 01:19:16,640 --> 01:19:19,840 of the people 20, 30 years from now who 1872 01:19:19,840 --> 01:19:22,960 are enjoying better spaces. 1873 01:19:22,960 --> 01:19:26,480 Um, a safer, better police department 1874 01:19:26,480 --> 01:19:29,440 because we take care of our officers and 1875 01:19:29,440 --> 01:19:31,840 give them the facilities they need. Not 1876 01:19:31,840 --> 01:19:34,480 just to do their job, but to do it with 1877 01:19:34,480 --> 01:19:37,120 comfort and a sense of appreciation by 1878 01:19:37,120 --> 01:19:39,679 the citizens that they protect. 1879 01:19:39,679 --> 01:19:43,040 People 20 years from now may be asked to 1880 01:19:43,040 --> 01:19:46,320 raise taxes. They certainly will. I hope 1881 01:19:46,320 --> 01:19:49,760 they will think of us and what we were 1882 01:19:49,760 --> 01:19:53,040 willing to give for a better community, 1883 01:19:53,040 --> 01:19:55,920 not just for me, but for the people who 1884 01:19:55,920 --> 01:19:58,960 live here 20, 30 years from now. So, 1885 01:19:58,960 --> 01:20:01,440 that's why I'm in favor of this. 1886 01:20:01,440 --> 01:20:02,159 >> Thanks, Spencer. 1887 01:20:02,159 --> 01:20:11,430 >> Thanks, 1888 01:20:11,440 --> 01:20:13,679 » Tyler Parkin. I live in Valentine 1889 01:20:13,679 --> 01:20:17,520 Estates. Um, council mayor. 1890 01:20:17,520 --> 01:20:19,840 Residents deserve a complete transpar 1891 01:20:19,840 --> 01:20:21,760 transparency picture of the city's 1892 01:20:21,760 --> 01:20:24,480 financial decision before asking to take 1893 01:20:24,480 --> 01:20:27,199 on a greater tax burden. A property tax 1894 01:20:27,199 --> 01:20:28,560 increase should not be considered 1895 01:20:28,560 --> 01:20:30,800 without first reviewing all the spending 1896 01:20:30,800 --> 01:20:32,560 and ensuring that the taxpayers's 1897 01:20:32,560 --> 01:20:35,360 dollars are being used as efficiently 1898 01:20:35,360 --> 01:20:38,560 and responsibly as possible. 1899 01:20:38,560 --> 01:20:40,159 Understanding the full cost of the 1900 01:20:40,159 --> 01:20:42,320 government. One of the part of one part 1901 01:20:42,320 --> 01:20:44,000 of this decision is employees 1902 01:20:44,000 --> 01:20:48,159 compensation. Bryce, you purposely left 1903 01:20:48,159 --> 01:20:52,080 out the bud the wages. You alone since 1904 01:20:52,080 --> 01:20:55,920 you've gotten here, $21,000 is your 1905 01:20:55,920 --> 01:20:59,920 salary with the $36,000 benefit package. 1906 01:20:59,920 --> 01:21:03,040 The police chief, $147,000 1907 01:21:03,040 --> 01:21:07,040 with an $80,000 691 benefit package. On 1908 01:21:07,040 --> 01:21:09,760 top of that, $227,000 1909 01:21:09,760 --> 01:21:12,239 total. We are paying benefits for the 1910 01:21:12,239 --> 01:21:14,560 police chief. Public works director 1911 01:21:14,560 --> 01:21:20,630 143,000 with benefits package of 62,625 1912 01:21:20,640 --> 01:21:25,440 HR risk management 161,878 1913 01:21:25,440 --> 01:21:30,080 community development director 157,968. 1914 01:21:30,080 --> 01:21:32,000 This is not meant to criticize these 1915 01:21:32,000 --> 01:21:34,239 individuals. I understand that they need 1916 01:21:34,239 --> 01:21:37,280 to make a a living, but I believe these 1917 01:21:37,280 --> 01:21:39,360 wages are excessive for the size of our 1918 01:21:39,360 --> 01:21:42,000 city. 1919 01:21:42,000 --> 01:21:43,679 At the same time, residents are being 1920 01:21:43,679 --> 01:21:45,679 asked to approve a significant property 1921 01:21:45,679 --> 01:21:47,600 tax. The city is moving forward with the 1922 01:21:47,600 --> 01:21:49,920 major capital project 1923 01:21:49,920 --> 01:21:53,120 which is as spoken tonight, Hogan Park 1924 01:21:53,120 --> 01:21:56,400 and the city hall. I'm not against a new 1925 01:21:56,400 --> 01:21:59,280 city hall, 1926 01:21:59,280 --> 01:22:01,520 but it needs to be within reason. And I 1927 01:22:01,520 --> 01:22:03,600 believe that the citizens need to have a 1928 01:22:03,600 --> 01:22:06,480 vote. I believe that you guys have 1929 01:22:06,480 --> 01:22:09,280 started a good process, but I think it 1930 01:22:09,280 --> 01:22:11,840 needs to be tabled. Let the citizens 1931 01:22:11,840 --> 01:22:16,159 vote on that. We don't need a new park. 1932 01:22:16,159 --> 01:22:22,320 looking at the pictures and I agree that the police department needs 1933 01:22:22,320 --> 01:22:24,719 a little bigger needs a bigger facility 1934 01:22:24,719 --> 01:22:31,189 for their operations to handle safely. 1935 01:22:31,199 --> 01:22:33,679 The citizens can't afford this long 1936 01:22:33,679 --> 01:22:35,840 term. This this tax will never go away 1937 01:22:35,840 --> 01:22:39,040 as go away as citizens have stated. We 1938 01:22:39,040 --> 01:22:42,560 will have tax after tax after tax. 1939 01:22:42,560 --> 01:22:46,390 >> 30 seconds. 1940 01:22:46,400 --> 01:22:50,000 I really strongly ask you and consider 1941 01:22:50,000 --> 01:22:51,679 tableabling this to the ballot in 1942 01:22:51,679 --> 01:22:53,360 November. 1943 01:22:53,360 --> 01:23:03,110 >> Thanks, Tyler. 1944 01:23:03,120 --> 01:23:06,800 » Greg Morris, uh, Wood Cross resident. 1945 01:23:06,800 --> 01:23:10,320 I just want to, uh, come to this at a 1946 01:23:10,320 --> 01:23:12,639 different perspective. 1947 01:23:12,639 --> 01:23:16,800 Um, I think we haven't analyzed. 1948 01:23:16,800 --> 01:23:18,719 So, I'm I only come here once in a 1949 01:23:18,719 --> 01:23:22,239 while. I I come here as a citizen to for 1950 01:23:22,239 --> 01:23:24,639 fun activities, whatever. I'm not here 1951 01:23:24,639 --> 01:23:26,480 on a day-to-day basis, so I don't know 1952 01:23:26,480 --> 01:23:29,360 the operations as far as what goes on 1953 01:23:29,360 --> 01:23:33,280 where. I think we need to audit 1954 01:23:33,280 --> 01:23:37,679 the areas being used or all the offices 1955 01:23:37,679 --> 01:23:39,840 or all the spaces being used in this 1956 01:23:39,840 --> 01:23:41,040 building. 1957 01:23:41,040 --> 01:23:42,639 um 1958 01:23:42,639 --> 01:23:44,639 are are they every single day are they 1959 01:23:44,639 --> 01:23:49,280 in use and if not can we somehow make a 1960 01:23:49,280 --> 01:23:53,360 alternate use for them? Also um another 1961 01:23:53,360 --> 01:23:57,199 thing can can the 1962 01:23:57,199 --> 01:23:58,800 police 1963 01:23:58,800 --> 01:24:02,880 uh use storage in an alternate location? 1964 01:24:02,880 --> 01:24:04,880 Does that have to be within the police 1965 01:24:04,880 --> 01:24:08,560 station? Um and can that area be used 1966 01:24:08,560 --> 01:24:12,560 for something else? Um, I'm not against 1967 01:24:12,560 --> 01:24:15,280 uh expanding the police station, 1968 01:24:15,280 --> 01:24:18,880 separating it. I think we need to look 1969 01:24:18,880 --> 01:24:21,920 at different perspectives to save money 1970 01:24:21,920 --> 01:24:24,800 um and pursue our needs as a city 1971 01:24:24,800 --> 01:24:27,280 instead of our wants. 1972 01:24:27,280 --> 01:24:29,199 And 1973 01:24:29,199 --> 01:24:31,760 I think I think by looking from 1974 01:24:31,760 --> 01:24:34,880 different perspectives like that um 1975 01:24:34,880 --> 01:24:37,120 we'll be able to 1976 01:24:37,120 --> 01:24:41,360 uh be able to use space like right now 1977 01:24:41,360 --> 01:24:43,440 we're in a large room here but there's 1978 01:24:43,440 --> 01:24:45,280 also on the other side of the wall a 1979 01:24:45,280 --> 01:24:48,880 large room. Can that be one? Um that's 1980 01:24:48,880 --> 01:24:51,840 another option. Um can we put that 1981 01:24:51,840 --> 01:24:54,159 separation in and make one room instead 1982 01:24:54,159 --> 01:24:55,920 of two? I I don't know what all the 1983 01:24:55,920 --> 01:24:58,000 plans are. I haven't looked super far 1984 01:24:58,000 --> 01:25:01,600 details, but but we need to analyze what 1985 01:25:01,600 --> 01:25:05,679 we're using in space and and what is 1986 01:25:05,679 --> 01:25:07,840 used 1987 01:25:07,840 --> 01:25:10,719 on a day-to-day basis instead of just 1988 01:25:10,719 --> 01:25:14,400 once a week types things. 1989 01:25:14,400 --> 01:25:26,550 >> Thanks, Craig. 1990 01:25:26,560 --> 01:25:28,080 Uh Josh Child. I'm a resident of 1991 01:25:28,080 --> 01:25:29,760 Woodscross. Just live right here east of 1992 01:25:29,760 --> 01:25:31,840 the park. Um grateful for the 1993 01:25:31,840 --> 01:25:33,120 opportunity to come together. Grateful 1994 01:25:33,120 --> 01:25:35,199 for a council and for a community where 1995 01:25:35,199 --> 01:25:36,800 public comments are welcomed and thought 1996 01:25:36,800 --> 01:25:39,760 through. Um I am I'm always supportive 1997 01:25:39,760 --> 01:25:41,679 of positive change. I think that there's 1998 01:25:41,679 --> 01:25:43,360 a great need for replacement of this 1999 01:25:43,360 --> 01:25:44,560 building. I agree with some of the 2000 01:25:44,560 --> 01:25:47,120 comments that have been made um about 2001 01:25:47,120 --> 01:25:48,880 how are we using the current park space 2002 01:25:48,880 --> 01:25:50,400 and are we considering trying to leave 2003 01:25:50,400 --> 01:25:52,960 things as they are or make fewer 2004 01:25:52,960 --> 01:25:55,600 adjustments and less of an overhaul. Um, 2005 01:25:55,600 --> 01:25:57,120 but I wasn't here for all of the 2006 01:25:57,120 --> 01:25:58,880 conversations that were had there. I 2007 01:25:58,880 --> 01:26:00,880 trust each of you. Uh, you have my 2008 01:26:00,880 --> 01:26:02,159 support and I trust that those 2009 01:26:02,159 --> 01:26:03,760 conversations have been had and if they 2010 01:26:03,760 --> 01:26:06,239 haven't, then have them. Um, and and 2011 01:26:06,239 --> 01:26:07,600 think about them. If they've been had, I 2012 01:26:07,600 --> 01:26:08,800 trust that they're there and there's a 2013 01:26:08,800 --> 01:26:11,280 reason we're doing it. Um, the the 2014 01:26:11,280 --> 01:26:13,440 overall takeaway for me and and I'd like 2015 01:26:13,440 --> 01:26:15,440 to just be a little bit critical, but I 2016 01:26:15,440 --> 01:26:17,280 think there's a good reason for it. To 2017 01:26:17,280 --> 01:26:19,840 me, there's a lot of information 2018 01:26:19,840 --> 01:26:21,760 and there's big numbers being thrown 2019 01:26:21,760 --> 01:26:24,960 around. I work a a day job in finance 2020 01:26:24,960 --> 01:26:27,520 and in banking. I work with big numbers. 2021 01:26:27,520 --> 01:26:29,600 I understand that there's a lot going 2022 01:26:29,600 --> 01:26:31,360 around and there's many revenue sources 2023 01:26:31,360 --> 01:26:37,040 and expenses. There were many, many, errors in the data that was both 2024 01:26:37,040 --> 01:26:38,800 sent out and presented this evening. 2025 01:26:38,800 --> 01:26:41,280 Formulas that didn't tie out and things 2026 01:26:41,280 --> 01:26:42,880 that don't math and numbers that 2027 01:26:42,880 --> 01:26:46,719 changed. Um, not again, I'm just saying 2028 01:26:46,719 --> 01:26:48,639 how I feel when when the brochure that 2029 01:26:48,639 --> 01:26:50,320 comes out with the utility bill doesn't 2030 01:26:50,320 --> 01:26:52,960 fold on the picture line. and it and 2031 01:26:52,960 --> 01:26:55,840 it's got typos on an email address. I I 2032 01:26:55,840 --> 01:26:57,440 feel that we need to put more thought 2033 01:26:57,440 --> 01:26:59,440 and and time into what is being 2034 01:26:59,440 --> 01:27:02,239 presented to to the citizens. As 2035 01:27:02,239 --> 01:27:04,320 somebody who I I would consider myself 2036 01:27:04,320 --> 01:27:06,239 efficient and proficient at reviewing 2037 01:27:06,239 --> 01:27:09,520 the data, and it was very unclear to me. 2038 01:27:09,520 --> 01:27:11,600 Um in addition, I would add I'm grateful 2039 01:27:11,600 --> 01:27:13,520 that the city has put resource into 2040 01:27:13,520 --> 01:27:15,120 making the website a little bit more 2041 01:27:15,120 --> 01:27:19,840 usable. I appreciate that a lot. Um, the 2042 01:27:19,840 --> 01:27:21,679 generation that I'm a part of, not that 2043 01:27:21,679 --> 01:27:23,600 any of you are not, while they may not 2044 01:27:23,600 --> 01:27:26,480 be, but the rest are, 2045 01:27:26,480 --> 01:27:29,840 the generation that I'm a part of finds 2046 01:27:29,840 --> 01:27:32,320 things on social media and finds things 2047 01:27:32,320 --> 01:27:35,760 in advertising. The city page, the 2048 01:27:35,760 --> 01:27:37,199 Facebook, and the Instagram don't 2049 01:27:37,199 --> 01:27:39,600 include the brochure. They don't include 2050 01:27:39,600 --> 01:27:41,920 the data that was sent out. They don't 2051 01:27:41,920 --> 01:27:44,239 market to us in that way. Had I not 2052 01:27:44,239 --> 01:27:47,360 opened my utility bill or worked closely 2053 01:27:47,360 --> 01:27:48,960 with Wall-E, I may have missed this. And 2054 01:27:48,960 --> 01:27:50,400 I'm grateful for the opportunity to 2055 01:27:50,400 --> 01:27:51,920 come, but we need to make sure the 2056 01:27:51,920 --> 01:27:54,480 exposure is to the people who are coming 2057 01:27:54,480 --> 01:27:56,719 to Woods Cross and carrying it forward 2058 01:27:56,719 --> 01:27:58,960 and that they have an opportunity to get 2059 01:27:58,960 --> 01:28:02,000 that data in a clear and concise way in 2060 01:28:02,000 --> 01:28:04,159 a way that they consume it. 2061 01:28:04,159 --> 01:28:05,520 I think I think there's great 2062 01:28:05,520 --> 01:28:07,360 opportunities for the city as a whole, 2063 01:28:07,360 --> 01:28:09,760 not just in this matter, but to cater 2064 01:28:09,760 --> 01:28:11,600 more to the way that people consume 2065 01:28:11,600 --> 01:28:14,320 information and to turn away maybe some 2066 01:28:14,320 --> 01:28:16,239 of the efforts and energy being put into 2067 01:28:16,239 --> 01:28:18,639 what has been done. Um, because I think 2068 01:28:18,639 --> 01:28:20,080 that a lot of again the steps that 2069 01:28:20,080 --> 01:28:22,000 you've likely taken were missed by many 2070 01:28:22,000 --> 01:28:24,239 of us because we weren't exposed to them 2071 01:28:24,239 --> 01:28:26,400 along the way and excited as you have 2072 01:28:26,400 --> 01:28:28,400 been as you've seen these plans come 2073 01:28:28,400 --> 01:28:29,760 together because I believe they're well 2074 01:28:29,760 --> 01:28:32,320 thought and I do support them. 2075 01:28:32,320 --> 01:28:43,830 Thanks, Josh. 2076 01:28:43,840 --> 01:28:47,679 Uh my name is Dio Diego. Uh live on 875 2077 01:28:47,679 --> 01:28:51,920 West. Uh been a resident since 97. Quite 2078 01:28:51,920 --> 01:28:52,239 a while. 2079 01:28:52,239 --> 01:28:53,520 >> Will you just give us your last name 2080 01:28:53,520 --> 01:28:54,480 also? 2081 01:28:54,480 --> 01:28:55,280 >> Cardinus. 2082 01:28:55,280 --> 01:28:58,960 >> Okay. So, um I think just looking at 2083 01:28:58,960 --> 01:29:00,639 these plans, I I think there's a lot of 2084 01:29:00,639 --> 01:29:03,199 communication that hasn't been um put 2085 01:29:03,199 --> 01:29:06,159 out there. Um I agree with a lot of uh 2086 01:29:06,159 --> 01:29:08,239 my fellow residents 2087 01:29:08,239 --> 01:29:12,000 as far as um wants and needs. Um you 2088 01:29:12,000 --> 01:29:13,920 know, the park is a great thing. I see 2089 01:29:13,920 --> 01:29:15,679 baseball out here again, which I haven't 2090 01:29:15,679 --> 01:29:17,600 seen. I've seen softball, there's a 2091 01:29:17,600 --> 01:29:19,679 soccer field there. You know, there's a 2092 01:29:19,679 --> 01:29:22,480 lot of green space here that gets used. 2093 01:29:22,480 --> 01:29:24,560 Um, you know, I drive up and down 1500 2094 01:29:24,560 --> 01:29:27,920 all the time. See kids and practices 2095 01:29:27,920 --> 01:29:30,000 being put out here in the grass area and 2096 01:29:30,000 --> 01:29:32,560 so forth. Baseball practices, soccer 2097 01:29:32,560 --> 01:29:35,679 practices, so forth. Uh, pickle ball, 2098 01:29:35,679 --> 01:29:37,920 that's not that old of a court. We want 2099 01:29:37,920 --> 01:29:40,639 to tear it up and move it 2100 01:29:40,639 --> 01:29:43,760 300 ft. I mean, how much what's the cost 2101 01:29:43,760 --> 01:29:45,920 of that? You know, I agree the police 2102 01:29:45,920 --> 01:29:47,840 department does need probably its own 2103 01:29:47,840 --> 01:29:50,480 space. You know, we built a public works 2104 01:29:50,480 --> 01:29:53,360 building down there. Why was that not 2105 01:29:53,360 --> 01:29:55,120 considered 2106 01:29:55,120 --> 01:29:58,400 in that? Or maybe it was and and I'm 2107 01:29:58,400 --> 01:30:00,080 speaking out of terms, so I apologize if 2108 01:30:00,080 --> 01:30:02,320 I am, but it just seems like the 2109 01:30:02,320 --> 01:30:04,080 planning needs to be a little bit 2110 01:30:04,080 --> 01:30:05,679 better. You know, the communication 2111 01:30:05,679 --> 01:30:08,719 needs to be a lot better. I mean, 40% 2112 01:30:08,719 --> 01:30:12,000 increase and our taxes. I got family 2113 01:30:12,000 --> 01:30:15,199 that lives in here, retired family that 2114 01:30:15,199 --> 01:30:17,679 I don't know how they can absorb that, 2115 01:30:17,679 --> 01:30:21,199 you know, with groceries, utilities, 2116 01:30:21,199 --> 01:30:22,800 everything, all the other taxes we have 2117 01:30:22,800 --> 01:30:26,320 to pay, you know. So, I just just 2118 01:30:26,320 --> 01:30:27,760 consider all that in your guys' 2119 01:30:27,760 --> 01:30:30,320 decision, you know, going forward, you 2120 01:30:30,320 --> 01:30:32,400 know, and and have better communication 2121 01:30:32,400 --> 01:30:33,840 because it sounds like there's a lot of 2122 01:30:33,840 --> 01:30:36,480 people in this room that are confused. 2123 01:30:36,480 --> 01:30:39,920 33 million, 40 million, 20 million. 2124 01:30:39,920 --> 01:30:42,800 That's a lot of money to ask for the 2125 01:30:42,800 --> 01:30:47,040 citizens of of this city to pay. That's 2126 01:30:47,040 --> 01:30:49,920 it's a burden on a lot of us. I have 2127 01:30:49,920 --> 01:30:53,120 neighbors, retired, fixed incomes, 80 2128 01:30:53,120 --> 01:30:54,800 years old. I don't know how they can do 2129 01:30:54,800 --> 01:30:56,320 it. 2130 01:30:56,320 --> 01:30:58,159 So, just consider all that stuff. 2131 01:30:58,159 --> 01:30:59,840 Consider the green space that we already 2132 01:30:59,840 --> 01:31:02,800 have, the mature trees, the pickleball 2133 01:31:02,800 --> 01:31:03,920 court that's already here, the 2134 01:31:03,920 --> 01:31:05,600 basketball court, the baseball field, 2135 01:31:05,600 --> 01:31:08,000 the playground, the foyer, all that 2136 01:31:08,000 --> 01:31:11,920 stuff. Just consider it all. It's great. 2137 01:31:11,920 --> 01:31:14,800 I don't know. Revamp this building. Try 2138 01:31:14,800 --> 01:31:16,480 to do the best you can. I I know old 2139 01:31:16,480 --> 01:31:18,320 buildings are hard. I mean, I live in an 2140 01:31:18,320 --> 01:31:19,520 old house. 2141 01:31:19,520 --> 01:31:22,400 >> I'd love to have $180,000 to revamp my 2142 01:31:22,400 --> 01:31:24,080 house, 2143 01:31:24,080 --> 01:31:26,480 >> but we have to be responsible with that. 2144 01:31:26,480 --> 01:31:29,440 I just can't go and do it, you know. So, 2145 01:31:29,440 --> 01:31:30,960 just be responsible. 2146 01:31:30,960 --> 01:31:46,310 >> Thanks, Diego. 2147 01:31:46,320 --> 01:31:48,560 » Hey there, everybody. David Lewis. I 2148 01:31:48,560 --> 01:31:51,199 also live here in Woodscross. I uh want 2149 01:31:51,199 --> 01:31:53,840 to do a quick acknowledgement to say 2150 01:31:53,840 --> 01:31:56,400 thank you, mayor, um for not saying 2151 01:31:56,400 --> 01:31:58,159 probably my number one pet peeve when 2152 01:31:58,159 --> 01:32:00,000 there's ever a public hearing, which is 2153 01:32:00,000 --> 01:32:01,600 don't repeat what other people have 2154 01:32:01,600 --> 01:32:03,679 said. You know, we all have a voice and 2155 01:32:03,679 --> 01:32:06,159 it's it's important and uh hearing it 2156 01:32:06,159 --> 01:32:09,440 more often helps show the seriousness of 2157 01:32:09,440 --> 01:32:11,520 it. So, thank you. Thank you for doing 2158 01:32:11,520 --> 01:32:12,639 that. I've been way too many of them 2159 01:32:12,639 --> 01:32:14,960 where they say that. Um, I was also on 2160 01:32:14,960 --> 01:32:16,639 the citizen group that was asked to do 2161 01:32:16,639 --> 01:32:19,440 the parks and and to look at the 2162 01:32:19,440 --> 01:32:21,600 different things and we we what we were 2163 01:32:21,600 --> 01:32:24,320 asked is come up with ideas of things 2164 01:32:24,320 --> 01:32:25,920 that you'd like to see. There's no 2165 01:32:25,920 --> 01:32:28,239 discussion of of money and we knew that 2166 01:32:28,239 --> 01:32:30,560 at the time and come up with, you know, 2167 01:32:30,560 --> 01:32:32,080 where where would they maybe want to be 2168 01:32:32,080 --> 01:32:34,000 and we kind of refined it from there. 2169 01:32:34,000 --> 01:32:37,120 Now we have the costs and I think that 2170 01:32:37,120 --> 01:32:39,360 the tone has changed and the tone should 2171 01:32:39,360 --> 01:32:42,320 change because 46% 2172 01:32:42,320 --> 01:32:45,600 um while you none of you are probably 2173 01:32:45,600 --> 01:32:47,440 actually targeting that number that's 2174 01:32:47,440 --> 01:32:51,120 still that that's crazy and um you know 2175 01:32:51,120 --> 01:32:53,120 it's I like the some of the ideas that 2176 01:32:53,120 --> 01:32:54,320 have been said that I didn't even think 2177 01:32:54,320 --> 01:32:57,520 about on on splitting 2178 01:32:57,520 --> 01:33:00,080 uh you know the park and the building 2179 01:33:00,080 --> 01:33:04,480 and we probably should look at that. I 2180 01:33:04,480 --> 01:33:06,639 would say that we should also look at 2181 01:33:06,639 --> 01:33:09,760 some private solutions um for bridging 2182 01:33:09,760 --> 01:33:11,920 some of the gaps. I would not be in 2183 01:33:11,920 --> 01:33:14,000 favor of moving forward with the 2184 01:33:14,000 --> 01:33:16,320 proposal as we have it both with the 2185 01:33:16,320 --> 01:33:18,800 building and with the park. I would say 2186 01:33:18,800 --> 01:33:21,199 that we target next year for the 2187 01:33:21,199 --> 01:33:23,600 building and that we do a small or 2188 01:33:23,600 --> 01:33:27,040 modest tax increase this year. We all I 2189 01:33:27,040 --> 01:33:28,239 think every person in here knows 2190 01:33:28,239 --> 01:33:32,239 inflation's real and we get that t that 2191 01:33:32,239 --> 01:33:34,880 costs go up. However, 2192 01:33:34,880 --> 01:33:37,360 these huge spikes are crazy and we 2193 01:33:37,360 --> 01:33:38,960 talked about this a couple years ago 2194 01:33:38,960 --> 01:33:41,520 when we did the adjustment for the taxes 2195 01:33:41,520 --> 01:33:44,000 for the police and we said I we haven't 2196 01:33:44,000 --> 01:33:46,159 raised taxes in quite a while but we 2197 01:33:46,159 --> 01:33:47,920 have to now so we can be competitive and 2198 01:33:47,920 --> 01:33:49,360 then we'll just try to have it be even 2199 01:33:49,360 --> 01:33:52,960 kill and here we are again at 46%. So, 2200 01:33:52,960 --> 01:33:54,960 let's I would encourage you to please 2201 01:33:54,960 --> 01:33:56,960 just do a just do a small modest one now 2202 01:33:56,960 --> 01:33:58,560 that can increase some of our revenues, 2203 01:33:58,560 --> 01:34:00,639 help some of that war chest as we 2204 01:34:00,639 --> 01:34:03,280 further refine the plan and then next 2205 01:34:03,280 --> 01:34:05,679 year we can try to execute on that 2206 01:34:05,679 --> 01:34:07,600 without the park and then we can look at 2207 01:34:07,600 --> 01:34:10,320 the park. I'm not in totally sold on 2208 01:34:10,320 --> 01:34:14,480 that we need need a new park but um with 2209 01:34:14,480 --> 01:34:17,590 that 2210 01:34:17,600 --> 01:34:19,120 30 seconds. 2211 01:34:19,120 --> 01:34:22,000 >> Thank you. I would just like to expound 2212 01:34:22,000 --> 01:34:23,520 when I say that we look at private 2213 01:34:23,520 --> 01:34:26,560 solutions for bridging the gap. Um I'm I 2214 01:34:26,560 --> 01:34:28,239 don't know all the rules and laws 2215 01:34:28,239 --> 01:34:30,639 necessarily around securing the 2216 01:34:30,639 --> 01:34:32,800 evidence, but there's a lot of storage 2217 01:34:32,800 --> 01:34:35,120 areas that are very secure and there's 2218 01:34:35,120 --> 01:34:36,800 probably some sort of private industry 2219 01:34:36,800 --> 01:34:38,960 and that can free up a lot of the space. 2220 01:34:38,960 --> 01:34:40,400 It's those sorts of ideas that I've 2221 01:34:40,400 --> 01:34:41,920 heard and that I was also thinking about 2222 01:34:41,920 --> 01:34:43,199 that I think that we should be able to 2223 01:34:43,199 --> 01:34:45,920 explore. So, uh, mayor and council, I'd 2224 01:34:45,920 --> 01:34:48,400 ask you to please on the last item table 2225 01:34:48,400 --> 01:34:50,719 this until your next meeting to choose 2226 01:34:50,719 --> 01:34:52,800 the tax mattest and then next year for 2227 01:34:52,800 --> 01:34:54,239 our full one. Thank you. 2228 01:34:54,239 --> 01:35:03,990 >> Thanks, David. 2229 01:35:04,000 --> 01:35:07,520 » My name is Linda Snar and I'm just a new 2230 01:35:07,520 --> 01:35:10,480 resident. Just lived here two years. So, 2231 01:35:10,480 --> 01:35:12,960 I'm I'm new. I don't feel like I should 2232 01:35:12,960 --> 01:35:15,600 say much and I really appreciate though 2233 01:35:15,600 --> 01:35:17,600 being able to be here and hear 2234 01:35:17,600 --> 01:35:20,080 everything that's been said and and I 2235 01:35:20,080 --> 01:35:22,000 agree that some of the things in the 2236 01:35:22,000 --> 01:35:24,560 numbers had been confusing. I moved from 2237 01:35:24,560 --> 01:35:28,560 a nice little city to the south of you 2238 01:35:28,560 --> 01:35:30,400 lived there for 43 years in 2239 01:35:30,400 --> 01:35:33,040 Taylor'sville. Nice little farming area. 2240 01:35:33,040 --> 01:35:35,760 Had nice piece of land, beautiful home. 2241 01:35:35,760 --> 01:35:38,560 Now with the demise of my husband, I'm 2242 01:35:38,560 --> 01:35:42,159 here. But I'm just saying I agree with 2243 01:35:42,159 --> 01:35:45,120 so many people that maybe we should look 2244 01:35:45,120 --> 01:35:49,920 at different resources and I I since I'm 2245 01:35:49,920 --> 01:35:53,360 new, I did feel though like I should 2246 01:35:53,360 --> 01:35:55,600 call my neighbors as many as I could 2247 01:35:55,600 --> 01:35:58,719 because um I was when we had our 2248 01:35:58,719 --> 01:36:02,159 elections back here, I was um nominated 2249 01:36:02,159 --> 01:36:03,600 because I was about the only one that 2250 01:36:03,600 --> 01:36:06,560 showed up as my precinct chair. And I 2251 01:36:06,560 --> 01:36:08,320 couldn't believe the lack of apathy 2252 01:36:08,320 --> 01:36:11,760 because where I lived, we had people 2253 01:36:11,760 --> 01:36:14,320 show up. But I just think I live in a 2254 01:36:14,320 --> 01:36:15,679 beautiful neighborhood that Mountain 2255 01:36:15,679 --> 01:36:18,639 View Estates, it's not been around that 2256 01:36:18,639 --> 01:36:21,199 many years, I think. So my neighbor 2257 01:36:21,199 --> 01:36:25,040 right over here, Valentine. Um, and I 2258 01:36:25,040 --> 01:36:28,000 just agree with these people that maybe 2259 01:36:28,000 --> 01:36:30,560 I support the police. I love the police. 2260 01:36:30,560 --> 01:36:32,480 I see you driving through my 2261 01:36:32,480 --> 01:36:34,960 neighborhood through the park in our 2262 01:36:34,960 --> 01:36:37,120 Mountain View estates and I'm so 2263 01:36:37,120 --> 01:36:39,760 grateful for that. But um so I want to 2264 01:36:39,760 --> 01:36:41,440 support the police and the needs that 2265 01:36:41,440 --> 01:36:44,080 they have, but I just don't want 2266 01:36:44,080 --> 01:36:46,400 government to do too many things for us. 2267 01:36:46,400 --> 01:36:48,880 I think it should be 2268 01:36:48,880 --> 01:36:52,000 um just our our neighborhoods and our 2269 01:36:52,000 --> 01:36:53,920 churches and our you know other things 2270 01:36:53,920 --> 01:36:56,000 that support some of these different 2271 01:36:56,000 --> 01:36:59,360 activities and and private groups. So, 2272 01:36:59,360 --> 01:37:02,480 um I just wish you'd look at this also 2273 01:37:02,480 --> 01:37:06,239 and make sure that we're doing the right 2274 01:37:06,239 --> 01:37:08,000 thing. That's it. Thanks. 2275 01:37:08,000 --> 01:37:14,229 >> Thank you. 2276 01:37:14,239 --> 01:37:17,119 » Hello. Uh my name is Evan Carson. I've 2277 01:37:17,119 --> 01:37:19,280 lived here for two years, give or take 2278 01:37:19,280 --> 01:37:23,119 two years. Um so I'm kind of new to all 2279 01:37:23,119 --> 01:37:26,639 this. Uh just wanted to say that uh I I 2280 01:37:26,639 --> 01:37:28,320 do think there are some things that 2281 01:37:28,320 --> 01:37:30,320 definitely need to be upgraded like the 2282 01:37:30,320 --> 01:37:34,159 police need more space. Absolutely. Um 2283 01:37:34,159 --> 01:37:37,199 but yeah, adding all this these changes 2284 01:37:37,199 --> 01:37:40,719 to the park is a lot of unnecessary 2285 01:37:40,719 --> 01:37:42,400 stuff. As has been said many times 2286 01:37:42,400 --> 01:37:44,639 before, just like shifting the pickle 2287 01:37:44,639 --> 01:37:46,560 ball courts a few hundred feet seems 2288 01:37:46,560 --> 01:37:49,840 like a massive uh waste of money. Um, 2289 01:37:49,840 --> 01:37:52,080 also losing these massive shade trees 2290 01:37:52,080 --> 01:37:55,119 would be uh devastating. Um, as I've 2291 01:37:55,119 --> 01:37:58,400 looked forward to uh uh raising kids 2292 01:37:58,400 --> 01:38:01,360 with like such a a a park with such 2293 01:38:01,360 --> 01:38:03,520 large shade trees and there's it's just 2294 01:38:03,520 --> 01:38:05,040 not as fun with the small trees, you 2295 01:38:05,040 --> 01:38:07,119 know. Um, 2296 01:38:07,119 --> 01:38:10,000 and uh yeah, it just seems like a a 2297 01:38:10,000 --> 01:38:12,239 large waste to uh basically be 2298 01:38:12,239 --> 01:38:14,639 rebuilding the park more or less how it 2299 01:38:14,639 --> 01:38:16,480 is. Obviously, there's other upgrades 2300 01:38:16,480 --> 01:38:20,320 and stuff, but um yeah, and as has been 2301 01:38:20,320 --> 01:38:22,400 said before, the uh having space for 2302 01:38:22,400 --> 01:38:24,400 community events uh I think would be 2303 01:38:24,400 --> 01:38:27,360 good. Um it would necessitate there 2304 01:38:27,360 --> 01:38:28,880 being community events, and maybe there 2305 01:38:28,880 --> 01:38:31,920 are that I'm just not aware of, but um 2306 01:38:31,920 --> 01:38:33,679 last I checked on the website, the 2307 01:38:33,679 --> 01:38:35,600 calendar hadn't been updated and had 2308 01:38:35,600 --> 01:38:37,760 just showed nothing for months on end. 2309 01:38:37,760 --> 01:38:41,679 Uh maybe that's been fixed since, but um 2310 01:38:41,679 --> 01:38:45,520 yeah. And then uh um what was I gonna 2311 01:38:45,520 --> 01:38:49,920 say? Oh was mentioned earlier that the 2312 01:38:49,920 --> 01:38:51,920 increase to wages 2313 01:38:51,920 --> 01:38:53,199 doesn't really matter much because it's 2314 01:38:53,199 --> 01:38:55,280 just a small percentage increase which 2315 01:38:55,280 --> 01:38:58,320 on paper seems fine but hearing uh the 2316 01:38:58,320 --> 01:39:00,400 actual totals from uh the gentleman 2317 01:39:00,400 --> 01:39:04,960 earlier uh is very concerning to uh not 2318 01:39:04,960 --> 01:39:07,280 disclose that publicly and just say oh 2319 01:39:07,280 --> 01:39:08,719 it's just a small percentage increase 2320 01:39:08,719 --> 01:39:12,000 when it is such a large uh total number. 2321 01:39:12,000 --> 01:39:15,760 Um, so these are just some concerns I've 2322 01:39:15,760 --> 01:39:18,800 had. Um, but thank you all for what you 2323 01:39:18,800 --> 01:39:21,280 do and I appreciate what you're doing. 2324 01:39:21,280 --> 01:39:22,880 Thank you. 2325 01:39:22,880 --> 01:39:23,360 >> Thank you. 2326 01:39:23,360 --> 01:39:32,229 >> Thanks, Evan. 2327 01:39:32,239 --> 01:39:40,629 All 2328 01:39:40,639 --> 01:39:43,600 right. My name is Cole Chickens and I 2329 01:39:43,600 --> 01:39:46,880 have lived in Once Cross for 25ish 2330 01:39:46,880 --> 01:39:50,480 years. Um, I wish you guys could talk. 2331 01:39:50,480 --> 01:39:53,360 Since Julie is my wife, I've kind of had 2332 01:39:53,360 --> 01:39:56,480 an inside look at this. The big trees 2333 01:39:56,480 --> 01:39:58,800 that we've got and Sam, you can tell me, 2334 01:39:58,800 --> 01:40:01,199 have got a disease. They got a boar in 2335 01:40:01,199 --> 01:40:02,800 them right now and they're going to have 2336 01:40:02,800 --> 01:40:05,199 to come out regardless. 2337 01:40:05,199 --> 01:40:07,119 So, I wish you guys could say that 2338 01:40:07,119 --> 01:40:08,880 because everybody wants the trees, but 2339 01:40:08,880 --> 01:40:10,480 they're kind of it's kind of a moot 2340 01:40:10,480 --> 01:40:13,600 point at this time just cuz they're 2341 01:40:13,600 --> 01:40:15,280 >> going to fall over if we don't take them 2342 01:40:15,280 --> 01:40:18,560 out. Um, 2343 01:40:18,560 --> 01:40:21,199 so I did a little bit of research. I 2344 01:40:21,199 --> 01:40:24,880 freaking hate taxes. Like really bad. 2345 01:40:24,880 --> 01:40:28,239 Um, I do see a reason to increase them. 2346 01:40:28,239 --> 01:40:31,600 Um, I'm going to lay some of this on the 2347 01:40:31,600 --> 01:40:33,440 previous administration if you want to 2348 01:40:33,440 --> 01:40:35,760 pull call it that. Um, I did some 2349 01:40:35,760 --> 01:40:39,440 looking since I've moved in. Um, between 2350 01:40:39,440 --> 01:40:42,560 well I did 20 years but between 06 and 2351 01:40:42,560 --> 01:40:46,080 21 there was only three tax increases in 2352 01:40:46,080 --> 01:40:48,560 those years and then since 22 we've 2353 01:40:48,560 --> 01:40:50,480 tried to catch up on how this is 2354 01:40:50,480 --> 01:40:54,159 working. So the 40some% increase 2355 01:40:54,159 --> 01:40:55,760 probably we should have increased it 2356 01:40:55,760 --> 01:40:57,920 quite a while ago and there's nothing we 2357 01:40:57,920 --> 01:41:00,080 can do about that. So I understand why 2358 01:41:00,080 --> 01:41:02,560 the increase needs to happen right now. 2359 01:41:02,560 --> 01:41:06,639 Um I'm very much in favor of changing 2360 01:41:06,639 --> 01:41:10,639 buildings. Um the police have needed 2361 01:41:10,639 --> 01:41:13,440 more room for years and years at this 2362 01:41:13,440 --> 01:41:16,000 point and I'm very grateful to the 2363 01:41:16,000 --> 01:41:18,239 people that have stuck around long and 2364 01:41:18,239 --> 01:41:20,239 you know for a while live or dealing 2365 01:41:20,239 --> 01:41:25,920 with crappy um situation over there. Um, 2366 01:41:25,920 --> 01:41:29,920 so anyway, but just as a thing, I mean, 2367 01:41:29,920 --> 01:41:32,320 if it's really um a difference of like 2368 01:41:32,320 --> 01:41:35,520 $15 a month, I'm willing to skip out on 2369 01:41:35,520 --> 01:41:39,360 a McDonald's Happy Meal for my 15 bucks. 2370 01:41:39,360 --> 01:41:42,960 Um, so anyway, I am in favor. Um, like I 2371 01:41:42,960 --> 01:41:44,480 said, I've had a lot of time to think 2372 01:41:44,480 --> 01:41:47,520 about this and look over everything. Um, 2373 01:41:47,520 --> 01:41:50,000 so yeah, I appreciate you guys. 2374 01:41:50,000 --> 01:41:50,800 >> Thanks, Cole. 2375 01:41:50,800 --> 01:41:54,320 >> Thanks. Your flashlight's on, dear. 2376 01:41:54,320 --> 01:41:57,119 Thank you. 2377 01:41:57,119 --> 01:42:00,629 >> Oh yeah, 2378 01:42:00,639 --> 01:42:08,470 sorry about that. 2379 01:42:08,480 --> 01:42:10,960 I'm Robert Stall and I live in Witch 2380 01:42:10,960 --> 01:42:14,400 Cross here. I've been here forever. I've 2381 01:42:14,400 --> 01:42:18,080 lived down on 1250 for 23 years and then 2382 01:42:18,080 --> 01:42:20,400 other places 2383 01:42:20,400 --> 01:42:23,760 also. Um, 2384 01:42:23,760 --> 01:42:26,320 I really appreciate what the police do. 2385 01:42:26,320 --> 01:42:28,880 They deserve to have what they need to 2386 01:42:28,880 --> 01:42:32,480 uh be successful and have the space they 2387 01:42:32,480 --> 01:42:35,600 need. And I don't know if the answers to 2388 01:42:35,600 --> 01:42:37,440 put them in a separate building, maybe 2389 01:42:37,440 --> 01:42:40,239 down where you guys purchased Luna's 2390 01:42:40,239 --> 01:42:41,760 property 2391 01:42:41,760 --> 01:42:43,679 and then kind of wait on some of this 2392 01:42:43,679 --> 01:42:46,480 other. But first, we're talking $18 2393 01:42:46,480 --> 01:42:49,280 million for renovating it. And I 2394 01:42:49,280 --> 01:42:51,920 understand that old buildings are a real 2395 01:42:51,920 --> 01:42:55,600 pain in the neck to redo certain things 2396 01:42:55,600 --> 01:42:57,760 because you're working around things 2397 01:42:57,760 --> 01:43:01,040 that's in the way or whatever. And then 2398 01:43:01,040 --> 01:43:04,000 they're saying 13 to 14 million to build 2399 01:43:04,000 --> 01:43:05,600 new. 2400 01:43:05,600 --> 01:43:08,400 Now they're up to 33, 2401 01:43:08,400 --> 01:43:10,400 but is that actually going to go up to 2402 01:43:10,400 --> 01:43:13,280 50? Maybe. 2403 01:43:13,280 --> 01:43:14,880 And 2404 01:43:14,880 --> 01:43:17,760 it's I got two kids that serve on the 2405 01:43:17,760 --> 01:43:19,520 Woodscross Council and I really 2406 01:43:19,520 --> 01:43:21,440 appreciate it and they really love it 2407 01:43:21,440 --> 01:43:26,159 and you guys do a good job. Um, 2408 01:43:26,159 --> 01:43:30,159 is it uh, you know, 47% 2409 01:43:30,159 --> 01:43:33,199 actually 46.8% is what the tax rate 2410 01:43:33,199 --> 01:43:37,040 would be. Is it possible to apply that 2411 01:43:37,040 --> 01:43:40,639 to your city bills, reduce them 2412 01:43:40,639 --> 01:43:43,600 or leave them the same? But like other 2413 01:43:43,600 --> 01:43:46,239 members have said that taxes always go 2414 01:43:46,239 --> 01:43:49,920 up and you probably do need certain 2415 01:43:49,920 --> 01:43:53,199 increases at times, but you know that 2416 01:43:53,199 --> 01:43:56,400 percent at this time is kind of high. 2417 01:43:56,400 --> 01:44:00,560 And they said there's like 500 and 2418 01:44:00,560 --> 01:44:04,400 some people that's living in poverty. 2419 01:44:04,400 --> 01:44:06,080 And you might could say that would be 2420 01:44:06,080 --> 01:44:08,880 all of us because we don't have the 2421 01:44:08,880 --> 01:44:12,400 luxury of having a government job making 2422 01:44:12,400 --> 01:44:16,639 200,000 a year or 150. It'd be really 2423 01:44:16,639 --> 01:44:20,080 nice to make that much and everybody 2424 01:44:20,080 --> 01:44:21,360 that would get up would probably say, 2425 01:44:21,360 --> 01:44:24,320 "Yeah, let's do it." Or if we had the 2426 01:44:24,320 --> 01:44:28,080 money in savings to build it, it 2427 01:44:28,080 --> 01:44:30,400 wouldn't even be a question. People 2428 01:44:30,400 --> 01:44:32,400 just, "Yeah, go ahead. If it's not going 2429 01:44:32,400 --> 01:44:37,760 to cost us anything, build it. Um, 2430 01:44:37,760 --> 01:44:39,760 the evidence rooms and that looks like 2431 01:44:39,760 --> 01:44:41,199 they're pretty full, but 2432 01:44:41,199 --> 01:44:42,239 >> 30 seconds. 2433 01:44:42,239 --> 01:44:44,400 >> If there's a place they could separate 2434 01:44:44,400 --> 01:44:47,119 them, I agree with that. But new is 2435 01:44:47,119 --> 01:44:50,480 always nice, but is it the right choice? 2436 01:44:50,480 --> 01:44:51,440 Thank you. 2437 01:44:51,440 --> 01:45:01,270 >> Thanks, Robert. 2438 01:45:01,280 --> 01:45:04,239 Charlene Chogy, Woodscross. 2439 01:45:04,239 --> 01:45:06,239 Um, I agree with so many of the things 2440 01:45:06,239 --> 01:45:09,040 that they have said and I was looking at 2441 01:45:09,040 --> 01:45:12,159 the average market value of our houses 2442 01:45:12,159 --> 01:45:14,400 and we are the lowest except for the 2443 01:45:14,400 --> 01:45:17,280 city of Clearfield on your list and we 2444 01:45:17,280 --> 01:45:20,080 have this huge tax increase. So, that 2445 01:45:20,080 --> 01:45:22,639 doesn't quite balance out. But the other 2446 01:45:22,639 --> 01:45:25,520 point is when we were talking about the 2447 01:45:25,520 --> 01:45:28,639 reasons for a new building, most of it 2448 01:45:28,639 --> 01:45:30,960 had to do with the police department. 2449 01:45:30,960 --> 01:45:33,280 Hardly anything was said about the rest 2450 01:45:33,280 --> 01:45:36,080 of the building other than having a 2451 01:45:36,080 --> 01:45:39,760 children's area. And so I'm I think that 2452 01:45:39,760 --> 01:45:43,360 it would be a wiser use of our money to 2453 01:45:43,360 --> 01:45:46,239 have a separate building for the police 2454 01:45:46,239 --> 01:45:48,639 as some people have said. and you have 2455 01:45:48,639 --> 01:45:51,280 other land for that so we don't have to 2456 01:45:51,280 --> 01:45:54,719 take away from the parks down 15 South 2457 01:45:54,719 --> 01:45:56,239 for instance you spend a lot of money 2458 01:45:56,239 --> 01:45:59,280 for that land too and so there are other 2459 01:45:59,280 --> 01:46:01,280 places you could put it that would still 2460 01:46:01,280 --> 01:46:04,080 be convenient to but the police 2461 01:46:04,080 --> 01:46:06,239 definitely needed a place but I didn't 2462 01:46:06,239 --> 01:46:08,480 hear very many reasons for the rest of 2463 01:46:08,480 --> 01:46:11,360 this building the other thing is that 2464 01:46:11,360 --> 01:46:14,719 you have had in in Woodscross city a 2465 01:46:14,719 --> 01:46:17,840 mandate to have parks close to people 2466 01:46:17,840 --> 01:46:20,159 within a mile of everyone. And now we're 2467 01:46:20,159 --> 01:46:23,600 kind of trying to make this a smaller 2468 01:46:23,600 --> 01:46:26,080 area so that we can have a bigger 2469 01:46:26,080 --> 01:46:28,880 building here. So I'm thinking maybe 2470 01:46:28,880 --> 01:46:31,920 this needs to be rethought out about 2471 01:46:31,920 --> 01:46:35,360 what are the needs of Woodscross. 2472 01:46:35,360 --> 01:46:37,440 Is it the whole big building or is it 2473 01:46:37,440 --> 01:46:40,080 just for the police? What about the 2474 01:46:40,080 --> 01:46:42,239 parks? Are we going to decrease the 2475 01:46:42,239 --> 01:46:44,719 parks or is that still one of our 2476 01:46:44,719 --> 01:46:48,320 mandates like Tree City Woodscross? My 2477 01:46:48,320 --> 01:46:50,239 neighbor took out our two front trees 2478 01:46:50,239 --> 01:46:52,880 and you said put them back. We are Tree 2479 01:46:52,880 --> 01:46:55,840 City and now we want to kind of decrease 2480 01:46:55,840 --> 01:46:59,840 the park, decrease here in this area. 2481 01:46:59,840 --> 01:47:01,920 And so I'm thinking we need to kind of 2482 01:47:01,920 --> 01:47:06,320 rethink what are the needs. Definitely 2483 01:47:06,320 --> 01:47:09,840 the police need to have better 2484 01:47:09,840 --> 01:47:13,040 facilities. They probably are so out of 2485 01:47:13,040 --> 01:47:15,360 compliance with everything that we 2486 01:47:15,360 --> 01:47:17,760 probably 2487 01:47:17,760 --> 01:47:19,520 couldn't even have a police department. 2488 01:47:19,520 --> 01:47:21,199 We should go with the rest of the 2489 01:47:21,199 --> 01:47:23,199 county, but we don't want to do that. 2490 01:47:23,199 --> 01:47:25,920 I'm presuming. So I think that we need 2491 01:47:25,920 --> 01:47:29,280 to rethink this also because our taxes 2492 01:47:29,280 --> 01:47:31,920 would increase so much compared with 2493 01:47:31,920 --> 01:47:38,400 other cities with our same uh um market 2494 01:47:38,400 --> 01:47:41,440 uh value of our houses. So I think the 2495 01:47:41,440 --> 01:47:43,600 police need a new place but I don't 2496 01:47:43,600 --> 01:47:46,000 think we want to decrease our park area. 2497 01:47:46,000 --> 01:47:49,669 Thank you. 2498 01:47:49,679 --> 01:48:12,390 » Thank you Charlene. 2499 01:48:12,400 --> 01:48:14,800 Is there anyone else here attending the 2500 01:48:14,800 --> 01:48:16,239 meeting in person that would like to 2501 01:48:16,239 --> 01:48:19,199 make a comment before we close it off 2502 01:48:19,199 --> 01:48:33,590 here and open it to those mind. 2503 01:48:33,600 --> 01:48:36,719 Okay, then we'll um be done with those 2504 01:48:36,719 --> 01:48:40,159 that are here in person and we'll switch 2505 01:48:40,159 --> 01:48:42,159 over to those that are participating 2506 01:48:42,159 --> 01:48:44,159 online. Looks like we've got a hand up. 2507 01:48:44,159 --> 01:48:46,239 Casey O'Hara, 2508 01:48:46,239 --> 01:48:57,270 Curtis, if you can 2509 01:48:57,280 --> 01:48:59,119 Thank you. Can you hear me? 2510 01:48:59,119 --> 01:49:00,400 >> Yes. 2511 01:49:00,400 --> 01:49:02,880 >> My name is Casey O'Hara. Um, I have 2512 01:49:02,880 --> 01:49:05,280 lived on Sorto Drive for almost 24 2513 01:49:05,280 --> 01:49:08,159 years. Um, I really appreciate the first 2514 01:49:08,159 --> 01:49:09,920 gentleman who spoke and shared some 2515 01:49:09,920 --> 01:49:14,400 statistics about our community and um, 2516 01:49:14,400 --> 01:49:16,000 how many people we have in our community 2517 01:49:16,000 --> 01:49:18,320 that live in poverty. We also had 2518 01:49:18,320 --> 01:49:21,920 multiple people um with more advanced 2519 01:49:21,920 --> 01:49:24,400 years that have mentioned how 2520 01:49:24,400 --> 01:49:26,719 unaffordable it is to raise taxes for 2521 01:49:26,719 --> 01:49:30,560 them because of limited income. Um I 2522 01:49:30,560 --> 01:49:34,480 think that we need to enable everyone as 2523 01:49:34,480 --> 01:49:36,400 others have mentioned to have a vote on 2524 01:49:36,400 --> 01:49:38,239 this and take this to the ballot in 2525 01:49:38,239 --> 01:49:40,719 November. I think that would be only 2526 01:49:40,719 --> 01:49:42,880 fair and very important to get feedback 2527 01:49:42,880 --> 01:49:46,159 from all of the citizens of the um city 2528 01:49:46,159 --> 01:49:49,679 and the community. Um I also am 2529 01:49:49,679 --> 01:49:51,280 concerned about some of the things that 2530 01:49:51,280 --> 01:49:54,800 I've heard today. Um 2531 01:49:54,800 --> 01:49:56,719 from the pictures that were shared, yes, 2532 01:49:56,719 --> 01:49:59,520 it looks like uh our police force needs 2533 01:49:59,520 --> 01:50:03,440 some additional space. Um, 2534 01:50:03,440 --> 01:50:05,440 but that felt like it was very much the 2535 01:50:05,440 --> 01:50:07,600 focus of a new building and it wasn't 2536 01:50:07,600 --> 01:50:10,960 really building a community building. 2537 01:50:10,960 --> 01:50:14,880 Um, which is unfortunate. So, if if 2538 01:50:14,880 --> 01:50:16,320 we're building something for our 2539 01:50:16,320 --> 01:50:19,199 community to improve and get better and 2540 01:50:19,199 --> 01:50:22,080 enable more activities, which one 2541 01:50:22,080 --> 01:50:23,840 gentleman mentioned, we don't even see 2542 01:50:23,840 --> 01:50:25,600 those on the calendar anymore. So, how 2543 01:50:25,600 --> 01:50:28,560 do we know what's happening? Um, I think 2544 01:50:28,560 --> 01:50:30,320 that we could improve our community and 2545 01:50:30,320 --> 01:50:32,159 reduce the need for all that storage for 2546 01:50:32,159 --> 01:50:35,040 evidence. Uh, and maybe we could more 2547 01:50:35,040 --> 01:50:36,719 proactively help our community get 2548 01:50:36,719 --> 01:50:39,119 better without, you know, needing 2549 01:50:39,119 --> 01:50:43,280 evidence storage to make it better. Um, 2550 01:50:43,280 --> 01:50:45,520 I am concerned about redoing a park 2551 01:50:45,520 --> 01:50:47,760 that's recently been renovated with new 2552 01:50:47,760 --> 01:50:50,960 pickle ball courts and the the um 2553 01:50:50,960 --> 01:50:53,920 playground. it feels like a real waste 2554 01:50:53,920 --> 01:50:57,280 of community money and all of our taxes 2555 01:50:57,280 --> 01:50:59,360 to redo something that's relatively 2556 01:50:59,360 --> 01:51:02,080 recently been done um just to put it 2557 01:51:02,080 --> 01:51:03,840 somewhere else. So, I think we need to 2558 01:51:03,840 --> 01:51:05,760 be more efficient with what we're doing, 2559 01:51:05,760 --> 01:51:07,440 think through what we're doing a little 2560 01:51:07,440 --> 01:51:09,760 bit more. Uh, and the one other thing 2561 01:51:09,760 --> 01:51:11,440 that I heard that actually caused me a 2562 01:51:11,440 --> 01:51:14,800 lot of concern was the mention of all of 2563 01:51:14,800 --> 01:51:16,880 the potential 2564 01:51:16,880 --> 01:51:19,440 um fallout that the police department 2565 01:51:19,440 --> 01:51:23,360 could be experiencing from storing drugs 2566 01:51:23,360 --> 01:51:26,400 or whatever um other contaminants and it 2567 01:51:26,400 --> 01:51:28,719 would be better to vent that out of the 2568 01:51:28,719 --> 01:51:31,520 building. So, if we are going to vent 2569 01:51:31,520 --> 01:51:34,400 contaminants out of the building into a 2570 01:51:34,400 --> 01:51:37,119 very dense, populated neighborhood, 2571 01:51:37,119 --> 01:51:38,960 maybe the police department needs to 2572 01:51:38,960 --> 01:51:41,280 live somewhere else where we're not 2573 01:51:41,280 --> 01:51:43,760 contaminating our contaminating our 2574 01:51:43,760 --> 01:51:45,760 neighborhood so that our police 2575 01:51:45,760 --> 01:51:49,910 department isn't contaminated. 2576 01:51:49,920 --> 01:51:51,199 » Again, I think this should go to the 2577 01:51:51,199 --> 01:51:53,119 ballot and every citizen should have an 2578 01:51:53,119 --> 01:51:55,040 opportunity to provide feedback. Thank 2579 01:51:55,040 --> 01:51:57,119 you. 2580 01:51:57,119 --> 01:52:00,480 >> Thanks, Casey. 2581 01:52:00,480 --> 01:52:07,109 Next. Next I show Brian Crawford. 2582 01:52:07,119 --> 01:52:09,840 » Hey um Brian Crawford, socross resident. 2583 01:52:09,840 --> 01:52:12,639 Um I don't know what what I have to say 2584 01:52:12,639 --> 01:52:14,800 has much bearing. It sounds like the 2585 01:52:14,800 --> 01:52:16,159 decisions already been made based on all 2586 01:52:16,159 --> 01:52:20,159 the promotional materials, but um my my 2587 01:52:20,159 --> 01:52:21,840 thoughts are pretty simple. It doesn't 2588 01:52:21,840 --> 01:52:23,360 sound like we have the money to do it. 2589 01:52:23,360 --> 01:52:26,400 Uh, so it shouldn't be approved, but you 2590 01:52:26,400 --> 01:52:28,080 know, if we if we save up the money, 2591 01:52:28,080 --> 01:52:30,560 let's do it in the future. Uh, I also 2592 01:52:30,560 --> 01:52:33,599 remember the bountiful city hall debacle 2593 01:52:33,599 --> 01:52:35,840 and you know, they ended up spending 2594 01:52:35,840 --> 01:52:38,400 more by remodeling their original city 2595 01:52:38,400 --> 01:52:39,679 hall, but at least they listened to 2596 01:52:39,679 --> 01:52:41,440 their cit citizens and didn't go forward 2597 01:52:41,440 --> 01:52:43,679 with the proposal. That's just all I 2598 01:52:43,679 --> 01:52:46,480 have to say. 2599 01:52:46,480 --> 01:52:57,430 >> Thanks, Brian. 2600 01:52:57,440 --> 01:52:59,360 Is there anyone? Oh, there's another 2601 01:52:59,360 --> 01:53:05,270 one. Alicia. 2602 01:53:05,280 --> 01:53:07,920 Hello. My name is Alicia Ditto. Um, I 2603 01:53:07,920 --> 01:53:09,599 have only lived in Woodscross for about 2604 01:53:09,599 --> 01:53:12,639 one year, so I can't speak for all of 2605 01:53:12,639 --> 01:53:14,480 the history things that everyone has 2606 01:53:14,480 --> 01:53:16,800 said, but I have four young kids, and I 2607 01:53:16,800 --> 01:53:18,639 just want to say that they love Hogan 2608 01:53:18,639 --> 01:53:21,119 Park. they would be very sad to see. I 2609 01:53:21,119 --> 01:53:22,719 mean, I'm sure if they saw the changes, 2610 01:53:22,719 --> 01:53:24,800 they would love it, but they don't need 2611 01:53:24,800 --> 01:53:26,880 it. So, I guess I'm echoing what a lot 2612 01:53:26,880 --> 01:53:29,840 of people have said today that the park 2613 01:53:29,840 --> 01:53:32,480 is fine and the kids don't need a 2614 01:53:32,480 --> 01:53:36,080 change. So, that's all I had to say. 2615 01:53:36,080 --> 01:53:56,070 >> Thank you, Alicia. 2616 01:53:56,080 --> 01:54:01,830 Melanie Crawford. 2617 01:54:01,840 --> 01:54:05,040 » Hi. Um I'm Melanie Crawford, a resident 2618 01:54:05,040 --> 01:54:09,199 of Woods Cross and I've lived here um my 2619 01:54:09,199 --> 01:54:14,320 entire life, 33 years. Um I grew up 2620 01:54:14,320 --> 01:54:16,239 going to Hogan Park before it was 2621 01:54:16,239 --> 01:54:20,400 redone. I love um the park. I love the 2622 01:54:20,400 --> 01:54:25,040 city. That's why I chose to move here um 2623 01:54:25,040 --> 01:54:28,480 with my family now. I have four kids and 2624 01:54:28,480 --> 01:54:32,159 just like Alicia had mentioned, my kids, 2625 01:54:32,159 --> 01:54:34,960 my three boys um cuz my fourth is a 2626 01:54:34,960 --> 01:54:37,360 baby. My three boys love Hogan Park. 2627 01:54:37,360 --> 01:54:40,800 They beg to go all the time. Um I am in 2628 01:54:40,800 --> 01:54:43,280 support of a new city building. I'm okay 2629 01:54:43,280 --> 01:54:45,520 with that. I understand the needs of the 2630 01:54:45,520 --> 01:54:48,960 police department. Um, redoing a 2631 01:54:48,960 --> 01:54:52,560 building is cheaper than renovating. Um, 2632 01:54:52,560 --> 01:54:54,960 from what I've read and what I've seen, 2633 01:54:54,960 --> 01:54:56,639 um, 2634 01:54:56,639 --> 01:54:59,040 I have concerns about redoing the park 2635 01:54:59,040 --> 01:55:03,040 just like a lot of other people. Um, 2636 01:55:03,040 --> 01:55:05,920 I don't think it needs to be done or at 2637 01:55:05,920 --> 01:55:08,159 least done the way that it's planned so 2638 01:55:08,159 --> 01:55:11,360 far. Um, I have concerns about adding 2639 01:55:11,360 --> 01:55:14,480 water features and just moving a bunch 2640 01:55:14,480 --> 01:55:17,679 of things around. Um, and so I guess I 2641 01:55:17,679 --> 01:55:23,040 would like to see um if we could like 2642 01:55:23,040 --> 01:55:25,360 change plans on the park. I don't I know 2643 01:55:25,360 --> 01:55:26,960 it costs money every time you kind of 2644 01:55:26,960 --> 01:55:29,360 you change plans and um look at 2645 01:55:29,360 --> 01:55:33,119 different options, but for me um being a 2646 01:55:33,119 --> 01:55:35,119 mother of young kids who already love 2647 01:55:35,119 --> 01:55:38,320 the park, it just seems unnecessary to 2648 01:55:38,320 --> 01:55:41,840 have to redo a park that's already great 2649 01:55:41,840 --> 01:55:43,760 um and a park that's already loved by so 2650 01:55:43,760 --> 01:55:47,520 many kids. And um but I also I 2651 01:55:47,520 --> 01:55:49,360 understand that sometimes it's not 2652 01:55:49,360 --> 01:55:51,760 possible when you're redoing a building 2653 01:55:51,760 --> 01:55:54,480 to not impact the park. So, I understand 2654 01:55:54,480 --> 01:55:56,639 it's really hard and it's a hard line. 2655 01:55:56,639 --> 01:55:59,840 Um, I I just also would ask you to 2656 01:55:59,840 --> 01:56:02,159 consider what's needed and what's more 2657 01:56:02,159 --> 01:56:05,040 of wants because I don't think the kids 2658 01:56:05,040 --> 01:56:08,320 need a different park. And that's those 2659 01:56:08,320 --> 01:56:10,239 are my thoughts, but I appreciate your 2660 01:56:10,239 --> 01:56:13,360 time and um all that you guys do for us 2661 01:56:13,360 --> 01:56:15,679 cuz I know that you spend a lot of time 2662 01:56:15,679 --> 01:56:17,599 um trying to make the city better and 2663 01:56:17,599 --> 01:56:19,040 taking care of things so that we don't 2664 01:56:19,040 --> 01:56:21,520 have to worry. So, um thank you for your 2665 01:56:21,520 --> 01:56:22,800 time. 2666 01:56:22,800 --> 01:56:26,229 Thanks, Melanie. 2667 01:56:26,239 --> 01:56:28,719 Our next one on here is just listed as 2668 01:56:28,719 --> 01:56:43,669 iPhone. 2669 01:56:43,679 --> 01:56:47,430 Oh, they can unmute. 2670 01:56:47,440 --> 01:56:49,840 Yeah. Whoever is listed as iPhone with 2671 01:56:49,840 --> 01:56:52,800 your hand up, if you um hit your hit the 2672 01:56:52,800 --> 01:56:54,719 mute button and take yourself off mute, 2673 01:56:54,719 --> 01:56:59,910 you can go ahead and talk. 2674 01:56:59,920 --> 01:57:02,560 Mine says they're joining. So, don't 2675 01:57:02,560 --> 01:57:07,750 know if yours shows that. 2676 01:57:07,760 --> 01:57:08,880 » They're working on it. 2677 01:57:08,880 --> 01:57:12,629 >> Oh, 2678 01:57:12,639 --> 01:57:21,350 » yeah. There there were 2679 01:57:21,360 --> 01:57:36,790 Let me refresh my 2680 01:57:36,800 --> 01:57:38,880 » Sorry, I had a technological uh 2681 01:57:38,880 --> 01:57:40,080 difficulty there. 2682 01:57:40,080 --> 01:57:41,280 >> That's okay. 2683 01:57:41,280 --> 01:57:43,679 >> Uh my name is McKenna Child. I'm a 2684 01:57:43,679 --> 01:57:47,040 resident of Woodscross. Um, and I have 2685 01:57:47,040 --> 01:57:49,119 really enjoyed this whole commentary 2686 01:57:49,119 --> 01:57:50,560 that's been happening. I agree with a 2687 01:57:50,560 --> 01:57:52,239 lot of what's been said. I am also a 2688 01:57:52,239 --> 01:57:54,639 young mom with little kids who adore 2689 01:57:54,639 --> 01:57:56,880 Hogan Park. It is their their top park 2690 01:57:56,880 --> 01:58:01,199 in in in the area. Um, and I don't love 2691 01:58:01,199 --> 01:58:03,119 the idea of complicating the park. I 2692 01:58:03,119 --> 01:58:06,239 like how simple it is. Um, and it it has 2693 01:58:06,239 --> 01:58:07,679 baseball fields and it has a playground 2694 01:58:07,679 --> 01:58:11,199 and it has grass to play in. Um, and I I 2695 01:58:11,199 --> 01:58:12,560 think that's perfect. I don't feel a 2696 01:58:12,560 --> 01:58:14,960 real need to change the park. Obviously, 2697 01:58:14,960 --> 01:58:16,880 when you're building a new building and 2698 01:58:16,880 --> 01:58:18,400 you got to move some things around, but 2699 01:58:18,400 --> 01:58:20,000 I don't feel the need for a water 2700 01:58:20,000 --> 01:58:22,800 feature or I would like to keep as many 2701 01:58:22,800 --> 01:58:24,719 trees as possible. I I think all that's 2702 01:58:24,719 --> 01:58:27,599 good. Um, but I am in full support of 2703 01:58:27,599 --> 01:58:29,119 anything the police department needs, 2704 01:58:29,119 --> 01:58:31,119 anything city hall needs. I don't think 2705 01:58:31,119 --> 01:58:35,280 we need to add anything on for um like 2706 01:58:35,280 --> 01:58:38,080 public events. I I have a hard time 2707 01:58:38,080 --> 01:58:39,440 putting a lot of money into something 2708 01:58:39,440 --> 01:58:42,560 that's six times a year as opposed to, 2709 01:58:42,560 --> 01:58:43,679 you know, the rest of the year where 2710 01:58:43,679 --> 01:58:45,360 people are mostly just playing at the 2711 01:58:45,360 --> 01:58:49,040 park. Um, I would also love to see sort 2712 01:58:49,040 --> 01:58:51,199 of a a part of the police station go 2713 01:58:51,199 --> 01:58:52,800 across the railroad tracks. My children 2714 01:58:52,800 --> 01:58:55,599 go to Legacy Elementary and I have 2715 01:58:55,599 --> 01:58:57,440 concerns about safety over there because 2716 01:58:57,440 --> 01:58:59,040 if there was an event, the police have 2717 01:58:59,040 --> 01:59:01,440 to get across the train tracks. Um, so I 2718 01:59:01,440 --> 01:59:02,800 would love for them to have a home base 2719 01:59:02,800 --> 01:59:05,599 across there as well. Um, and I think 2720 01:59:05,599 --> 01:59:08,800 that's everything. Thank you you guys. 2721 01:59:08,800 --> 01:59:32,149 >> Thank you. 2722 01:59:32,159 --> 01:59:36,159 Is there anyone else attending uh online 2723 01:59:36,159 --> 01:59:52,709 that would like to make a comment? 2724 01:59:52,719 --> 01:59:59,270 I don't see any my hands. 2725 01:59:59,280 --> 02:00:01,360 Yeah, I don't see I don't see any other 2726 02:00:01,360 --> 02:00:12,390 hands. We'll give them just a second 2727 02:00:12,400 --> 02:00:14,639 if you don't know where to find it. On 2728 02:00:14,639 --> 02:00:18,000 mine, I know each platform is just a 2729 02:00:18,000 --> 02:00:19,920 little different, but on mine, if you 2730 02:00:19,920 --> 02:00:22,639 click on the react button kind of down 2731 02:00:22,639 --> 02:00:24,320 in the middle at the bottom, then it 2732 02:00:24,320 --> 02:00:51,270 gives you the ability to raise your And 2733 02:00:51,280 --> 02:00:53,040 okay, it doesn't look like we're getting 2734 02:00:53,040 --> 02:00:56,560 any movement there. Um, with that we 2735 02:00:56,560 --> 02:00:59,679 will go ahead and close the public 2736 02:00:59,679 --> 02:01:01,360 hearing. 2737 02:01:01,360 --> 02:01:04,790 Um, 2738 02:01:04,800 --> 02:01:07,679 yes. I have a request to take just a 2739 02:01:07,679 --> 02:01:13,510 quick break for just a second. 2740 02:01:13,520 --> 02:01:15,679 » A motion to saunter. Is that the 2741 02:01:15,679 --> 02:01:17,599 >> If if you need if you need to take a 2742 02:01:17,599 --> 02:01:19,119 restroom break, now is your chance. 2743 02:01:19,119 --> 02:01:20,080 >> There you go. That's what the guys 2744 02:01:20,080 --> 02:01:21,840 downtown call it. We'll uh we'll we'll 2745 02:01:21,840 --> 02:01:24,080 take a five minute break to just make it 2746 02:01:24,080 --> 02:01:26,960 so people can 2747 02:01:26,960 --> 02:01:43,189 >> take care of that if they need to 2748 02:01:43,199 --> 02:01:57,750 » live comments. 2749 02:01:57,760 --> 02:01:57,920 That 2750 02:01:57,920 --> 02:01:59,679 >> was my first counselor. 2751 02:01:59,679 --> 02:02:02,400 >> Josh 2752 02:02:02,400 --> 02:02:05,920 gives me a bad time all the time. 2753 02:02:05,920 --> 02:02:33,430 child. Childhood 2754 02:02:33,440 --> 02:02:37,589 doesn't mean that 2755 02:02:37,599 --> 02:02:40,080 That's 2756 02:02:40,080 --> 02:02:59,589 actually 2757 02:02:59,599 --> 02:03:02,800 when they like 2758 02:03:02,800 --> 02:03:07,910 whatever. 2759 02:03:07,920 --> 02:03:14,070 I guess 2760 02:03:14,080 --> 02:03:17,520 it was the trailer park 2761 02:03:17,520 --> 02:03:23,910 intended to be next. 2762 02:03:23,920 --> 02:03:26,480 » So I have two important plats. One's in 2763 02:03:26,480 --> 02:03:28,239 one. 2764 02:03:28,239 --> 02:03:28,880 >> Thank you. 2765 02:03:28,880 --> 02:03:34,149 >> Oh good. 2766 02:03:34,159 --> 02:03:49,750 Can we just give it to them? 2767 02:03:49,760 --> 02:04:17,030 » Just me. 2768 02:04:17,040 --> 02:04:40,709 That's what I'm talking 2769 02:04:40,719 --> 02:04:53,270 She said 2770 02:04:53,280 --> 02:04:59,669 please. 2771 02:04:59,679 --> 02:05:22,950 for 2772 02:05:22,960 --> 02:05:28,790 sorry 2773 02:05:28,800 --> 02:05:39,270 Mr. 2774 02:05:39,280 --> 02:06:05,510 Say 2775 02:06:05,520 --> 02:06:08,159 I can't 2776 02:06:08,159 --> 02:06:34,950 really 2777 02:06:34,960 --> 02:06:36,719 It's cold. 2778 02:06:36,719 --> 02:06:46,310 I just 2779 02:06:46,320 --> 02:06:55,510 » since 2780 02:06:55,520 --> 02:07:01,189 I almost 2781 02:07:01,199 --> 02:07:01,760 like 2782 02:07:01,760 --> 02:07:03,760 >> No, I appreciate it. really great. It's 2783 02:07:03,760 --> 02:07:07,119 my No, she's like I'm out of 2784 02:07:07,119 --> 02:07:10,400 >> So now my 2785 02:07:10,400 --> 02:07:12,239 >> That's okay. 2786 02:07:12,239 --> 02:07:16,790 >> I appreciate it. It is 2787 02:07:16,800 --> 02:07:18,560 » pretty comfortable right here. He must 2788 02:07:18,560 --> 02:07:21,760 be right in the 2789 02:07:21,760 --> 02:07:23,679 >> right corner. 2790 02:07:23,679 --> 02:07:26,480 >> Yeah. Well, he's also got an officer 2791 02:07:26,480 --> 02:07:28,719 standing there. They and they warmed up 2792 02:07:28,719 --> 02:07:31,360 some cocaine water and 2793 02:07:31,360 --> 02:07:34,400 >> so we'll see. 2794 02:07:34,400 --> 02:07:36,800 >> All right, let's finish this. 2795 02:07:36,800 --> 02:07:38,880 >> Well, we got to wait for Oh, Wally and 2796 02:07:38,880 --> 02:07:40,400 Jim are just out here all 2797 02:07:40,400 --> 02:07:43,520 >> Yeah, thanks. 2798 02:07:43,520 --> 02:07:47,350 >> Stop talking. 2799 02:07:47,360 --> 02:08:12,229 » Some of us want to go home. 2800 02:08:12,239 --> 02:08:14,560 I know. I turned it up. Do you want to 2801 02:08:14,560 --> 02:08:17,599 turn back one more? Turn off. 2802 02:08:17,599 --> 02:08:22,629 >> Okay. 2803 02:08:22,639 --> 02:08:24,960 » Uhhuh. Good to know. It just got holes. 2804 02:08:24,960 --> 02:08:27,920 >> Kill you. Yeah, the mayor just controls 2805 02:08:27,920 --> 02:08:29,360 that. 2806 02:08:29,360 --> 02:08:35,350 >> All right. 2807 02:08:35,360 --> 02:08:37,520 » Where's Curtis 2808 02:08:37,520 --> 02:08:40,400 outside? 2809 02:08:40,400 --> 02:08:42,239 >> Are we Are we still recording over 2810 02:08:42,239 --> 02:08:43,280 there, Sam? 2811 02:08:43,280 --> 02:08:44,320 >> Okay. 2812 02:08:44,320 --> 02:08:47,599 Thank you for giving us just a 2813 02:08:47,599 --> 02:08:51,520 minute to refresh ourselves. Um, thank 2814 02:08:51,520 --> 02:08:53,280 you for all of the comments. Thanks for 2815 02:08:53,280 --> 02:08:54,800 those of you that have stuck around. 2816 02:08:54,800 --> 02:08:58,800 It's uh um we we appreciate the 2817 02:08:58,800 --> 02:09:02,159 comments. We go through this process um 2818 02:09:02,159 --> 02:09:05,280 to be able to listen. Um I think that we 2819 02:09:05,280 --> 02:09:06,800 all 2820 02:09:06,800 --> 02:09:10,159 um in one way or another 2821 02:09:10,159 --> 02:09:13,760 ran for city council and for um elected 2822 02:09:13,760 --> 02:09:17,280 office to to listen and to try to 2823 02:09:17,280 --> 02:09:19,199 represent those that have elected us. 2824 02:09:19,199 --> 02:09:23,840 And um so we I'm I'm appreciative of the 2825 02:09:23,840 --> 02:09:25,920 comments. I think I can say that for all 2826 02:09:25,920 --> 02:09:27,440 of the council. 2827 02:09:27,440 --> 02:09:31,199 >> Um anyway, 2828 02:09:31,199 --> 02:09:32,639 >> comments discussion. 2829 02:09:32,639 --> 02:09:34,560 >> Well, did you want to ask Annette if 2830 02:09:34,560 --> 02:09:36,079 there were any 2831 02:09:36,079 --> 02:09:37,520 >> uh comments? 2832 02:09:37,520 --> 02:09:40,800 >> Were there any uh mailed in emailed in 2833 02:09:40,800 --> 02:09:49,030 comments? 2834 02:09:49,040 --> 02:09:51,360 Damian, what's 2835 02:09:51,360 --> 02:09:51,840 >> Glendel? 2836 02:09:51,840 --> 02:09:55,589 Yeah, 2837 02:09:55,599 --> 02:09:57,679 » there was an email that came to the 2838 02:09:57,679 --> 02:10:00,320 whole council. There was an email that 2839 02:10:00,320 --> 02:10:03,280 came to the whole council from 2840 02:10:03,280 --> 02:10:04,320 >> a couple of days ago 2841 02:10:04,320 --> 02:10:06,239 >> agenda and 2842 02:10:06,239 --> 02:10:08,880 >> the there's that's a document that I'll 2843 02:10:08,880 --> 02:10:10,880 be adding to when we save the chat. 2844 02:10:10,880 --> 02:10:11,280 >> Yeah, 2845 02:10:11,280 --> 02:10:14,320 >> I'll put that on there. Checked both my 2846 02:10:14,320 --> 02:10:16,239 and Bryce's emails just in case they 2847 02:10:16,239 --> 02:10:18,000 come to him during the meeting and we 2848 02:10:18,000 --> 02:10:19,360 have not received any others 2849 02:10:19,360 --> 02:10:21,360 >> that you re received one Rachel and the 2850 02:10:21,360 --> 02:10:23,119 council members did that we did not. Is 2851 02:10:23,119 --> 02:10:26,639 that what I heard you saying? We got one 2852 02:10:26,639 --> 02:10:27,599 >> shipping 2853 02:10:27,599 --> 02:10:29,679 >> a couple of days ago. Someone that said 2854 02:10:29,679 --> 02:10:31,440 that they weren't be able to attend. 2855 02:10:31,440 --> 02:10:32,800 >> Would you like me to forward that to 2856 02:10:32,800 --> 02:10:33,679 you? 2857 02:10:33,679 --> 02:10:35,760 >> And Bryce as well or just you? 2858 02:10:35,760 --> 02:10:36,239 >> Thank you. 2859 02:10:36,239 --> 02:10:38,079 >> Yeah, you can. Okay, done. 2860 02:10:38,079 --> 02:10:39,520 >> I'll get it in there. 2861 02:10:39,520 --> 02:10:40,400 >> Thank you. 2862 02:10:40,400 --> 02:10:40,880 >> Very. 2863 02:10:40,880 --> 02:10:44,079 >> So, yeah, I don't I don't have 2864 02:10:44,079 --> 02:10:47,599 >> any others that have come to to my own 2865 02:10:47,599 --> 02:10:51,280 Woodscross email address. So, I did um I 2866 02:10:51,280 --> 02:10:53,760 did close the public comment period one 2867 02:10:53,760 --> 02:10:55,679 before we went to our but I mean I can 2868 02:10:55,679 --> 02:10:56,320 do it again. 2869 02:10:56,320 --> 02:10:59,119 >> No, I just we cover all of these bullet 2870 02:10:59,119 --> 02:10:59,599 points. 2871 02:10:59,599 --> 02:11:00,560 >> Yeah. But 2872 02:11:00,560 --> 02:11:03,520 >> um uh just to make sure that we've 2873 02:11:03,520 --> 02:11:08,950 officially closed the public hearing. Um 2874 02:11:08,960 --> 02:11:12,639 okay. Does uh 2875 02:11:12,639 --> 02:11:13,760 clarify anything? 2876 02:11:13,760 --> 02:11:15,520 >> Absolutely. The way it's written this 2877 02:11:15,520 --> 02:11:18,719 year is that they may email comments or 2878 02:11:18,719 --> 02:11:19,360 chat comments 2879 02:11:19,360 --> 02:11:20,400 >> through the end of the meeting. 2880 02:11:20,400 --> 02:11:21,679 >> End of the meeting. Okay. 2881 02:11:21,679 --> 02:11:23,840 >> So, we won't close that part of it. 2882 02:11:23,840 --> 02:11:27,840 >> So, while you're taking it comment in 2883 02:11:27,840 --> 02:11:31,520 person or online, it is closed. That's 2884 02:11:31,520 --> 02:11:33,760 >> they can still do it through the through 2885 02:11:33,760 --> 02:11:35,440 the email address. 2886 02:11:35,440 --> 02:11:38,800 >> Okay. Thank you. 2887 02:11:38,800 --> 02:11:42,629 Um, 2888 02:11:42,639 --> 02:11:44,960 » can I give a suggestion? 2889 02:11:44,960 --> 02:11:45,520 >> Sure. 2890 02:11:45,520 --> 02:11:49,440 >> I think uh we you know there's um 2891 02:11:49,440 --> 02:11:51,440 usually when there's misunderstanding 2892 02:11:51,440 --> 02:11:53,199 it's either lack of information or 2893 02:11:53,199 --> 02:11:55,840 miscommunication. And I what I'm hearing 2894 02:11:55,840 --> 02:11:58,480 is that we have done both. And so what 2895 02:11:58,480 --> 02:12:00,239 I'm hoping we could do is actually 2896 02:12:00,239 --> 02:12:02,000 address some of the issues that were 2897 02:12:02,000 --> 02:12:03,599 brought up tonight where maybe we can 2898 02:12:03,599 --> 02:12:05,920 provide a little more clarity and 2899 02:12:05,920 --> 02:12:09,599 understanding. Uh just since you're here 2900 02:12:09,599 --> 02:12:11,679 and you've made the effort to be here, 2901 02:12:11,679 --> 02:12:15,440 >> I'm all about transparency. I think that 2902 02:12:15,440 --> 02:12:16,800 if you want to know something that's 2903 02:12:16,800 --> 02:12:18,719 going on in the city, please contact me. 2904 02:12:18,719 --> 02:12:20,719 I'm happy to share. I'm happy to give 2905 02:12:20,719 --> 02:12:23,360 you a tour of the building. I'm happy to 2906 02:12:23,360 --> 02:12:27,520 discuss things with you. Um one the one 2907 02:12:27,520 --> 02:12:29,520 of the comments was brought up of the 2908 02:12:29,520 --> 02:12:31,599 building down the street that sat 2909 02:12:31,599 --> 02:12:34,079 vacant. So some education about that 2910 02:12:34,079 --> 02:12:36,159 building. um that building is currently 2911 02:12:36,159 --> 02:12:38,880 tied up in a legal lawsuit about over 2912 02:12:38,880 --> 02:12:41,920 water rights. So that's why it has sat 2913 02:12:41,920 --> 02:12:44,639 vacant for so many years. So 2914 02:12:44,639 --> 02:12:47,599 unfortunately that's not an option. Um 2915 02:12:47,599 --> 02:12:50,000 but now you know why it has sat vacant 2916 02:12:50,000 --> 02:12:53,520 and unused for so many years is they're 2917 02:12:53,520 --> 02:12:56,000 fighting and we don't want to be a part 2918 02:12:56,000 --> 02:12:59,760 of that. Um Dennis, unfortunately it is 2919 02:12:59,760 --> 02:13:02,800 almost 60 years old. It's 58. It's 2920 02:13:02,800 --> 02:13:04,719 weird, isn't it? But then when I look 2921 02:13:04,719 --> 02:13:06,880 and think I'm almost 50, that's weird. I 2922 02:13:06,880 --> 02:13:09,199 know, right? It seems like 30 years ago 2923 02:13:09,199 --> 02:13:12,159 was like 1980, but unfortunately it 2924 02:13:12,159 --> 02:13:15,760 wasn't. So, um, in regards to the 2925 02:13:15,760 --> 02:13:18,719 baseball field, we have, uh, set up new 2926 02:13:18,719 --> 02:13:21,920 baseball fields at Mills Park that will 2927 02:13:21,920 --> 02:13:26,239 be accommodating that overflow or the, 2928 02:13:26,239 --> 02:13:28,239 uh, baseball games that are currently 2929 02:13:28,239 --> 02:13:32,079 played here. Um, 2930 02:13:32,079 --> 02:13:34,320 and then the trees. I guess my husband 2931 02:13:34,320 --> 02:13:36,239 spilled the beans. 2932 02:13:36,239 --> 02:13:38,960 Um, we did learn from an arborist. We 2933 02:13:38,960 --> 02:13:41,440 have had a full report done by an 2934 02:13:41,440 --> 02:13:43,920 arborist that unfortunately many of the 2935 02:13:43,920 --> 02:13:46,800 trees that are lining 1500 South, we 2936 02:13:46,800 --> 02:13:49,119 just found out about this uh last night, 2937 02:13:49,119 --> 02:13:50,000 >> Thursday. 2938 02:13:50,000 --> 02:13:52,719 >> Oh, Thursday. Thank you. It all blends. 2939 02:13:52,719 --> 02:13:55,040 um that unfortunately when you plant the 2940 02:13:55,040 --> 02:13:57,280 same tree and so many of them they're 2941 02:13:57,280 --> 02:14:00,880 they share bugs and they just hop the 2942 02:14:00,880 --> 02:14:03,360 diseases and so unfortunately several of 2943 02:14:03,360 --> 02:14:05,440 those trees are going to have to be 2944 02:14:05,440 --> 02:14:08,400 removed. Uh my recommendation to the 2945 02:14:08,400 --> 02:14:11,040 city was that we save the wood and use 2946 02:14:11,040 --> 02:14:14,079 it for the new for different aspects of 2947 02:14:14,079 --> 02:14:17,679 new city hall. Maybe we do a tree as you 2948 02:14:17,679 --> 02:14:21,040 know an in the entry that is made out of 2949 02:14:21,040 --> 02:14:22,800 those old trees or maybe we use it for 2950 02:14:22,800 --> 02:14:25,040 the council das or a background to 2951 02:14:25,040 --> 02:14:27,760 repurpose that wood that kind of carries 2952 02:14:27,760 --> 02:14:29,920 on that honor of those trees that have 2953 02:14:29,920 --> 02:14:33,199 shaded so many generations of of 2954 02:14:33,199 --> 02:14:34,400 families that have grown up in 2955 02:14:34,400 --> 02:14:38,639 Woodscross. Um, so I know our goal has 2956 02:14:38,639 --> 02:14:41,440 always been to save the trees and then 2957 02:14:41,440 --> 02:14:43,360 uh when we had a branch fall and 2958 02:14:43,360 --> 02:14:45,119 thankfully not hit someone, it was a 2959 02:14:45,119 --> 02:14:47,280 rather large branch that fell and 2960 02:14:47,280 --> 02:14:50,000 exposed uh what was actually going on 2961 02:14:50,000 --> 02:14:53,679 inside those trees. Um we've had to uh 2962 02:14:53,679 --> 02:14:56,079 proceed on looking how we're going to 2963 02:14:56,079 --> 02:14:58,000 hand you know that those are going to 2964 02:14:58,000 --> 02:15:00,400 have to come down and we're talking and 2965 02:15:00,400 --> 02:15:02,639 not all trees will be coming down. 2966 02:15:02,639 --> 02:15:04,480 There's just a a portion of them. They 2967 02:15:04,480 --> 02:15:07,280 gave us the the independent arborist 2968 02:15:07,280 --> 02:15:08,880 gave us a report 2969 02:15:08,880 --> 02:15:11,360 >> and they've visited each tree. They 2970 02:15:11,360 --> 02:15:12,800 visited the trees. So, 2971 02:15:12,800 --> 02:15:14,159 >> and the reason we weren't ready to talk 2972 02:15:14,159 --> 02:15:15,360 about that tonight is because we're 2973 02:15:15,360 --> 02:15:17,679 having our park uh manager who is an 2974 02:15:17,679 --> 02:15:20,159 arborist also put together a report with 2975 02:15:20,159 --> 02:15:21,840 everything so that we can share that 2976 02:15:21,840 --> 02:15:23,840 with the public. So, we're not hiding 2977 02:15:23,840 --> 02:15:26,320 anything. We just didn't have 2978 02:15:26,320 --> 02:15:29,199 >> prepared. But again, it's 2979 02:15:29,199 --> 02:15:31,599 >> it's information that we're aware of. 2980 02:15:31,599 --> 02:15:34,159 I'm we will give the public more 2981 02:15:34,159 --> 02:15:36,079 information as it becomes available. 2982 02:15:36,079 --> 02:15:37,280 >> Yes. 2983 02:15:37,280 --> 02:15:39,760 >> Um 2984 02:15:39,760 --> 02:15:42,000 Tyler, I'm going to address your wages 2985 02:15:42,000 --> 02:15:45,360 if you don't mind. Um I know that you 2986 02:15:45,360 --> 02:15:49,040 are are set on the size of our city. The 2987 02:15:49,040 --> 02:15:50,719 competition that we have is the 2988 02:15:50,719 --> 02:15:52,480 surrounding cities when we're trying to 2989 02:15:52,480 --> 02:15:55,520 retain our employees. 2990 02:15:55,520 --> 02:15:59,360 Were you on Were you on the Zoom? 2991 02:15:59,360 --> 02:16:01,440 Okay. Well, we can totally print it out 2992 02:16:01,440 --> 02:16:05,199 and and get it to you. 2993 02:16:05,199 --> 02:16:06,719 >> Okay. 2994 02:16:06,719 --> 02:16:08,239 Okay. I'm just I'm just going to 2995 02:16:08,239 --> 02:16:10,639 remind everybody this this is our we we 2996 02:16:10,639 --> 02:16:13,040 gave you your time to talk. We're we're 2997 02:16:13,040 --> 02:16:17,840 going to I I I'm reminding her also um 2998 02:16:17,840 --> 02:16:20,719 that that this is it it's not a dialogue 2999 02:16:20,719 --> 02:16:23,119 at this point. We gave the public their 3000 02:16:23,119 --> 02:16:25,119 turn and and it's our turn to make some 3001 02:16:25,119 --> 02:16:27,119 comments and to try to maybe answer some 3002 02:16:27,119 --> 02:16:28,639 questions or clarify things. 3003 02:16:28,639 --> 02:16:31,840 >> Do some education. Um 3004 02:16:31,840 --> 02:16:34,880 the website and calendar, we need to 3005 02:16:34,880 --> 02:16:36,399 work on that. That obviously is 3006 02:16:36,399 --> 02:16:39,760 something that is lacking as well as 3007 02:16:39,760 --> 02:16:42,559 better communication on social media. Um 3008 02:16:42,559 --> 02:16:44,880 there is a page called Woods Crossers. 3009 02:16:44,880 --> 02:16:47,040 Unfortunately, that's not an official 3010 02:16:47,040 --> 02:16:50,880 city uh Facebook group and so you won't 3011 02:16:50,880 --> 02:16:53,439 see information from the city. I know 3012 02:16:53,439 --> 02:16:56,319 that uh Lacy tries to share some 3013 02:16:56,319 --> 02:16:58,080 information on there, but uh the 3014 02:16:58,080 --> 02:17:00,080 Woodscross City Facebook page and 3015 02:17:00,080 --> 02:17:03,920 Instagram is our official uh where she 3016 02:17:03,920 --> 02:17:06,479 tries to keep as much uh posted. But it 3017 02:17:06,479 --> 02:17:08,080 looks like we can do some improvement in 3018 02:17:08,080 --> 02:17:10,240 our websites 3019 02:17:10,240 --> 02:17:13,439 um and better communication. And then I 3020 02:17:13,439 --> 02:17:16,639 agree Josh has left, but uh we need to 3021 02:17:16,639 --> 02:17:18,160 have better attention to our data and 3022 02:17:18,160 --> 02:17:20,479 what we're sending out. My concern with 3023 02:17:20,479 --> 02:17:22,479 separating the police department is 3024 02:17:22,479 --> 02:17:24,880 eventually city hall is going to be need 3025 02:17:24,880 --> 02:17:27,280 to be replaced. So then are we looking 3026 02:17:27,280 --> 02:17:29,760 at building having three city buildings 3027 02:17:29,760 --> 02:17:32,719 versus two where we can keep city hall 3028 02:17:32,719 --> 02:17:34,639 in with the police department? And I 3029 02:17:34,639 --> 02:17:36,479 know that the chief and Bryce work 3030 02:17:36,479 --> 02:17:39,519 together a lot um going back and forth 3031 02:17:39,519 --> 02:17:42,319 and so I don't know what that would look 3032 02:17:42,319 --> 02:17:46,240 like as far as inconvenience for the 3033 02:17:46,240 --> 02:17:50,240 everyday business of uh the city. 3034 02:17:50,240 --> 02:17:54,479 >> Um and then Bryce, will you address what a needs assessment is? 3035 02:17:54,479 --> 02:17:57,040 Because I heard a lot of comments about 3036 02:17:57,040 --> 02:17:59,760 us looking at what we really need. Will 3037 02:17:59,760 --> 02:18:01,840 you just explain what a needs assessment 3038 02:18:01,840 --> 02:18:04,960 is and and kind of what we've done to 3039 02:18:04,960 --> 02:18:05,679 assess? 3040 02:18:05,679 --> 02:18:06,479 >> Yes. 3041 02:18:06,479 --> 02:18:09,519 >> So, it's common for uh an agency that's 3042 02:18:09,519 --> 02:18:11,359 looking to construct a building or 3043 02:18:11,359 --> 02:18:13,599 determine what's needed is to bring in 3044 02:18:13,599 --> 02:18:16,880 independent agents. Um and in this case, 3045 02:18:16,880 --> 02:18:18,800 we chose to hire the same architectural 3046 02:18:18,800 --> 02:18:22,479 firm who we intend to do design work if 3047 02:18:22,479 --> 02:18:24,319 this proceeds. 3048 02:18:24,319 --> 02:18:26,559 So the very first thing they did is sat 3049 02:18:26,559 --> 02:18:28,880 down with independent uh employees, 3050 02:18:28,880 --> 02:18:31,599 directors, and went through each agency 3051 02:18:31,599 --> 02:18:34,160 to determine what our current use is, 3052 02:18:34,160 --> 02:18:37,120 what our future anticipated use is, and 3053 02:18:37,120 --> 02:18:38,880 to give us square footages of those 3054 02:18:38,880 --> 02:18:41,519 spaces. And so I don't recall, did they 3055 02:18:41,519 --> 02:18:43,679 meet with any of you? Um I I don't 3056 02:18:43,679 --> 02:18:44,880 recall there, but I know they went 3057 02:18:44,880 --> 02:18:47,359 through the police department, admin, 3058 02:18:47,359 --> 02:18:49,280 met with courts. So, they've gone 3059 02:18:49,280 --> 02:18:51,120 through every 3060 02:18:51,120 --> 02:18:52,800 space and they give us a report that 3061 02:18:52,800 --> 02:18:54,479 says, "This is what we believe you need 3062 02:18:54,479 --> 02:18:56,880 for the future." So, that's what we're 3063 02:18:56,880 --> 02:18:59,679 basing things on. Um, it's been 3064 02:18:59,679 --> 02:19:01,439 commented that our city won't grow to 3065 02:19:01,439 --> 02:19:04,240 that capacity. Um, no, we're not going 3066 02:19:04,240 --> 02:19:05,920 to double next year. We're not going to 3067 02:19:05,920 --> 02:19:07,840 double in 5 years. I don't think the 3068 02:19:07,840 --> 02:19:10,240 city will ever double in population, but 3069 02:19:10,240 --> 02:19:13,359 we have anticipated about a 25% 3070 02:19:13,359 --> 02:19:15,679 increase. And so as we've worked with 3071 02:19:15,679 --> 02:19:18,559 the architectural firm, they have 3072 02:19:18,559 --> 02:19:20,240 assisted us in trying to determine what 3073 02:19:20,240 --> 02:19:21,280 those numbers are. 3074 02:19:21,280 --> 02:19:24,479 >> A 25% increase over what amount of time? 3075 02:19:24,479 --> 02:19:27,120 >> Current. Yeah. And and again, I'm all 3076 02:19:27,120 --> 02:19:28,000 parking amount 3077 02:19:28,000 --> 02:19:30,080 >> like within time frame. 3078 02:19:30,080 --> 02:19:33,040 >> Within the 50 year and look at our 3079 02:19:33,040 --> 02:19:35,280 census data and the state puts together 3080 02:19:35,280 --> 02:19:37,120 projections. So I'm I'm kind of 3081 02:19:37,120 --> 02:19:38,880 spitballing a number out there. I could 3082 02:19:38,880 --> 02:19:41,760 be off a little bit, but there are 3083 02:19:41,760 --> 02:19:44,160 estimates of what they anticipate the 3084 02:19:44,160 --> 02:19:44,960 city to grow to. 3085 02:19:44,960 --> 02:19:46,240 >> So, just to make sure my brain is 3086 02:19:46,240 --> 02:19:48,640 processing that correctly. So, 25% over 3087 02:19:48,640 --> 02:19:51,200 the next 50 years. Is that correctish? 3088 02:19:51,200 --> 02:19:52,880 In a ballpark in a roundabout way. 3089 02:19:52,880 --> 02:19:55,439 >> Let me let me say this to be more 3090 02:19:55,439 --> 02:19:57,439 accurate. Let me go to the census data 3091 02:19:57,439 --> 02:19:59,600 and give you more accurate information. 3092 02:19:59,600 --> 02:20:01,760 But as we look at the population, as we 3093 02:20:01,760 --> 02:20:03,200 look at the area of the city that is 3094 02:20:03,200 --> 02:20:04,960 undeveloped, and it's true, has been 3095 02:20:04,960 --> 02:20:06,479 stated tonight, there are people who are 3096 02:20:06,479 --> 02:20:08,479 not willing to sell their property. So, 3097 02:20:08,479 --> 02:20:11,040 who knows when that may happen. I 3098 02:20:11,040 --> 02:20:12,240 >> it may not. 3099 02:20:12,240 --> 02:20:15,120 >> But we also do have property that is 3100 02:20:15,120 --> 02:20:17,439 adjacent to the city that is looking to 3101 02:20:17,439 --> 02:20:20,880 be annexed into our city. It's about 34 3102 02:20:20,880 --> 02:20:25,520 300 How many acres is it? 3103 02:20:25,520 --> 02:20:26,319 >> 34. 3104 02:20:26,319 --> 02:20:29,840 >> Okay. 32 acres. Sorry, I was way off. 3105 02:20:29,840 --> 02:20:33,120 Um, that's looking at to annexing into 3106 02:20:33,120 --> 02:20:35,439 our city and then that would increase 3107 02:20:35,439 --> 02:20:38,319 our need for roads, police officers, 3108 02:20:38,319 --> 02:20:40,319 other infrastructure that comes along 3109 02:20:40,319 --> 02:20:43,520 with new development in those areas. 3110 02:20:43,520 --> 02:20:46,080 >> Yeah. So, we've used their skills to 3111 02:20:46,080 --> 02:20:48,880 help us analyze and determine what those 3112 02:20:48,880 --> 02:20:50,560 future projections are. 3113 02:20:50,560 --> 02:20:52,399 >> And then another uh comment that was 3114 02:20:52,399 --> 02:20:54,880 brought up was um are all the spaces 3115 02:20:54,880 --> 02:20:57,200 being used at city hall currently? Yes, 3116 02:20:57,200 --> 02:21:00,720 we are at capacity. Every space is used. 3117 02:21:00,720 --> 02:21:02,640 All of the offices, we have several 3118 02:21:02,640 --> 02:21:06,240 cubicles. We've moved cubicles. We've 3119 02:21:06,240 --> 02:21:07,280 tiny cubicles. 3120 02:21:07,280 --> 02:21:08,800 >> They're Yeah, they are. They're small 3121 02:21:08,800 --> 02:21:13,120 cubicles. We've really I feel like uh 3122 02:21:13,120 --> 02:21:15,600 we we're kind of bursting at the seams 3123 02:21:15,600 --> 02:21:18,160 uh as a city. And I know that there are 3124 02:21:18,160 --> 02:21:22,240 spaces that do sit empty. Um, I mean, 3125 02:21:22,240 --> 02:21:25,680 this room is one that isn't used every 3126 02:21:25,680 --> 02:21:29,120 day, but it's still a a required space 3127 02:21:29,120 --> 02:21:32,880 for a city to do our government to have 3128 02:21:32,880 --> 02:21:34,319 our council meetings, our planning 3129 02:21:34,319 --> 02:21:36,080 commission, and our court. We are 3130 02:21:36,080 --> 02:21:38,399 combined. I know that North Salt Lake 3131 02:21:38,399 --> 02:21:40,640 has a separate courtroom that is only 3132 02:21:40,640 --> 02:21:43,840 used once a week that we, you know, our 3133 02:21:43,840 --> 02:21:46,000 city has tried to be more conservative 3134 02:21:46,000 --> 02:21:50,240 in comingling those spaces so that we 3135 02:21:50,240 --> 02:21:54,399 aren't wasting uh the resources. 3136 02:21:54,399 --> 02:21:56,240 >> If I could also just add, there was a 3137 02:21:56,240 --> 02:21:58,319 lot of questions about the cost of 3138 02:21:58,319 --> 02:22:00,160 things and there was 18 million and 13 3139 02:22:00,160 --> 02:22:03,200 million. Again, we've had a challenge in 3140 02:22:03,200 --> 02:22:05,920 trying to help compare apples to apples. 3141 02:22:05,920 --> 02:22:08,960 And so, I won't argue that you're seeing 3142 02:22:08,960 --> 02:22:11,040 different numbers, but the 18 million 3143 02:22:11,040 --> 02:22:13,200 was to reconstruct this building for the 3144 02:22:13,200 --> 02:22:16,479 same space. The 13 to 14 is to take a 3145 02:22:16,479 --> 02:22:18,960 city hall irregardless of the other 3146 02:22:18,960 --> 02:22:22,399 spaces like the um the uh park and 3147 02:22:22,399 --> 02:22:24,080 things of that nature. So, we're trying 3148 02:22:24,080 --> 02:22:25,760 to compare apples to apples in those 3149 02:22:25,760 --> 02:22:28,080 things, realizing that there's a larger 3150 02:22:28,080 --> 02:22:31,520 total for other spaces and other things. 3151 02:22:31,520 --> 02:22:33,200 Again, some could argue that we're 3152 02:22:33,200 --> 02:22:35,280 trying to play with numbers. I'm happy 3153 02:22:35,280 --> 02:22:37,120 to sit down with anybody to show them, 3154 02:22:37,120 --> 02:22:38,640 and I showed that budget tonight that 3155 02:22:38,640 --> 02:22:40,640 Hogan gave us. Those are numbers that 3156 02:22:40,640 --> 02:22:42,399 have been around since April. So, we're 3157 02:22:42,399 --> 02:22:44,399 not changing those numbers, but I can 3158 02:22:44,399 --> 02:22:45,680 understand where people could be 3159 02:22:45,680 --> 02:22:47,040 confused as we're saying, well, we're 3160 02:22:47,040 --> 02:22:50,000 comparing this and this. So I'm happy to 3161 02:22:50,000 --> 02:22:51,439 meet with anyone who would like to have 3162 02:22:51,439 --> 02:22:52,800 a better understanding if they would 3163 02:22:52,800 --> 02:22:56,000 truly like to. 3164 02:22:56,000 --> 02:22:58,399 >> All right. So just to make sure my brain 3165 02:22:58,399 --> 02:23:00,800 understood that the 18 is just for the 3166 02:23:00,800 --> 02:23:03,520 building that if we were to for this 3167 02:23:03,520 --> 02:23:04,479 >> to renovate 3168 02:23:04,479 --> 02:23:06,080 >> renovate this building and that's an 3169 02:23:06,080 --> 02:23:06,640 estimate 3170 02:23:06,640 --> 02:23:09,200 >> an yeah a a good guess. And then the 3171 02:23:09,200 --> 02:23:11,760 1314 would be just to build this 3172 02:23:11,760 --> 02:23:14,479 building. And then the 33 is this 3173 02:23:14,479 --> 02:23:15,840 building plus 3174 02:23:15,840 --> 02:23:18,880 >> the park furnishings. That also includes 3175 02:23:18,880 --> 02:23:20,800 the approximately 5 million in 3176 02:23:20,800 --> 02:23:22,880 contingency that again we don't know 3177 02:23:22,880 --> 02:23:24,399 that we will or won't use that. We 3178 02:23:24,399 --> 02:23:25,760 obviously 3179 02:23:25,760 --> 02:23:28,160 >> don't want to. No, but you have 3180 02:23:28,160 --> 02:23:31,439 contingency for reasons. But yes, we've 3181 02:23:31,439 --> 02:23:33,760 always had the goal of keeping the park 3182 02:23:33,760 --> 02:23:36,399 and the city hall regardless of the 3183 02:23:36,399 --> 02:23:38,240 furnishings and stuff in that $25 3184 02:23:38,240 --> 02:23:41,200 million range for those components alone 3185 02:23:41,200 --> 02:23:43,439 knowing that there's other expenses 3186 02:23:43,439 --> 02:23:44,880 >> that will go on top of that. 3187 02:23:44,880 --> 02:23:47,280 >> Okay. And maybe that's where the 3188 02:23:47,280 --> 02:23:50,960 confusion was is by having that 18 and 3189 02:23:50,960 --> 02:23:54,399 then the 13 we understood what it meant. 3190 02:23:54,399 --> 02:23:57,200 >> It took me a minute. Um, but I think 3191 02:23:57,200 --> 02:23:59,520 maybe 3192 02:23:59,520 --> 02:24:02,720 you know more information sometimes can 3193 02:24:02,720 --> 02:24:06,960 get more muddy and uh I think just this 3194 02:24:06,960 --> 02:24:10,399 is our opportunity to educate more on 3195 02:24:10,399 --> 02:24:14,399 >> uh really what I mean we we honestly we 3196 02:24:14,399 --> 02:24:16,000 don't know the total cost right now 3197 02:24:16,000 --> 02:24:17,840 because we've been adjusting and 3198 02:24:17,840 --> 02:24:20,479 changing and and trying to take in 3199 02:24:20,479 --> 02:24:23,200 feedback. We did have an open house uh 3200 02:24:23,200 --> 02:24:26,080 we had one person that came 3201 02:24:26,080 --> 02:24:29,280 >> um that showed all of you know that we 3202 02:24:29,280 --> 02:24:31,680 all were there available to answer any 3203 02:24:31,680 --> 02:24:35,120 questions to discuss you know all the 3204 02:24:35,120 --> 02:24:39,120 whole project and unfortunately we we 3205 02:24:39,120 --> 02:24:42,720 had one person. So um I'm grateful 3206 02:24:42,720 --> 02:24:44,880 you're here tonight and hopefully you'll 3207 02:24:44,880 --> 02:24:47,680 stick with us as we continue to roll 3208 02:24:47,680 --> 02:24:49,359 this ball forward. 3209 02:24:49,359 --> 02:24:50,560 >> Yes. break. 3210 02:24:50,560 --> 02:24:52,960 >> Maybe just to clarify, you said we don't 3211 02:24:52,960 --> 02:24:54,640 know what it's going to cost. It's true 3212 02:24:54,640 --> 02:24:56,720 that as we continue to meet and revise 3213 02:24:56,720 --> 02:24:58,720 and refine things, we don't know the 3214 02:24:58,720 --> 02:25:00,000 exact cost of the building. We won't 3215 02:25:00,000 --> 02:25:01,920 know until the bids are out, but we do 3216 02:25:01,920 --> 02:25:04,720 know that we have a cap of 33 million 3217 02:25:04,720 --> 02:25:06,720 that the council has said go forward and 3218 02:25:06,720 --> 02:25:08,319 if you can do this project completely 3219 02:25:08,319 --> 02:25:12,000 for $33 million or less, go forward. But 3220 02:25:12,000 --> 02:25:14,640 also keep your hands off a contingency. 3221 02:25:14,640 --> 02:25:16,000 In fact, you are the ones that have to 3222 02:25:16,000 --> 02:25:18,880 decide if that contingency is used. So, 3223 02:25:18,880 --> 02:25:20,319 I think we've got some pretty tight 3224 02:25:20,319 --> 02:25:23,520 parameters and we will continue to work 3225 02:25:23,520 --> 02:25:25,600 on those numbers and keep them within 3226 02:25:25,600 --> 02:25:28,720 that amount of the 25 million for parks 3227 02:25:28,720 --> 02:25:30,240 and city hall. Now, if you come back and 3228 02:25:30,240 --> 02:25:33,040 say change the scope, less park things, 3229 02:25:33,040 --> 02:25:35,600 great. We can do that. But, um, for 3230 02:25:35,600 --> 02:25:37,200 people to be frustrated that we aren't 3231 02:25:37,200 --> 02:25:39,600 giving them accurate numbers, they're 3232 02:25:39,600 --> 02:25:41,120 the best numbers that we can come up 3233 02:25:41,120 --> 02:25:42,960 with at this time with the professionals 3234 02:25:42,960 --> 02:25:44,640 that are serving us. 3235 02:25:44,640 --> 02:25:45,040 >> Yeah. 3236 02:25:45,040 --> 02:25:46,640 >> Thank you. Thank you for those 3237 02:25:46,640 --> 02:25:48,560 clarifying answers. 3238 02:25:48,560 --> 02:25:52,720 >> Um, was that the comments you had, 3239 02:25:52,720 --> 02:25:53,760 Julie? 3240 02:25:53,760 --> 02:25:56,000 >> Well, just for the education and 3241 02:25:56,000 --> 02:25:57,760 hopefully giving a little bit more 3242 02:25:57,760 --> 02:25:58,880 clarification. 3243 02:25:58,880 --> 02:25:59,280 >> Okay. 3244 02:25:59,280 --> 02:26:01,040 >> Um, what I'm hearing is 3245 02:26:01,040 --> 02:26:03,120 >> so so hold on because I've got just a 3246 02:26:03,120 --> 02:26:05,760 few of the that go along with those um 3247 02:26:05,760 --> 02:26:08,720 some of those same things. Um, it was 3248 02:26:08,720 --> 02:26:11,040 mentioned that that Woodscross has the 3249 02:26:11,040 --> 02:26:12,960 highest property tax rate in Davis 3250 02:26:12,960 --> 02:26:16,000 County. That's That's not true. From the 3251 02:26:16,000 --> 02:26:18,560 form that was presented, that is a 3252 02:26:18,560 --> 02:26:20,960 notice of all of the entities in Davis 3253 02:26:20,960 --> 02:26:23,359 County that have a proposed tax increase 3254 02:26:23,359 --> 02:26:26,160 for this year. Um the rates that are 3255 02:26:26,160 --> 02:26:30,319 listed on that form are the increases 3256 02:26:30,319 --> 02:26:34,399 proposed over um what the rates are 3257 02:26:34,399 --> 02:26:37,200 currently. Um but if you if you look at 3258 02:26:37,200 --> 02:26:39,760 it and say okay well the city of 3259 02:26:39,760 --> 02:26:42,080 Clearfield an average home price is 3260 02:26:42,080 --> 02:26:43,840 510,000 3261 02:26:43,840 --> 02:26:47,040 currently their residential rates are 3262 02:26:47,040 --> 02:26:52,880 329 to 351 and Woods Cross's um 543,000 3263 02:26:52,880 --> 02:26:56,319 and our residential rates are 387 3264 02:26:56,319 --> 02:26:57,920 um 3265 02:26:57,920 --> 02:27:01,040 would go to 569. So our 387 and their 3266 02:27:01,040 --> 02:27:02,720 329 and there's a difference in 3267 02:27:02,720 --> 02:27:05,359 valuation there. We're similar, but over 3268 02:27:05,359 --> 02:27:09,040 the years um for a long time until we 3269 02:27:09,040 --> 02:27:13,120 did our in our increase because it it 3270 02:27:13,120 --> 02:27:15,840 when I started on the council and our 3271 02:27:15,840 --> 02:27:17,600 very first tax increase that we did 3272 02:27:17,600 --> 02:27:19,840 years ago, it had been 25 years since 3273 02:27:19,840 --> 02:27:21,760 taxes had been raised in Woodscross. And 3274 02:27:21,760 --> 02:27:24,560 at the time, we were the very lowest 3275 02:27:24,560 --> 02:27:27,439 property tax rate in Woodscross. And we 3276 02:27:27,439 --> 02:27:29,760 were able to do that because our sales 3277 02:27:29,760 --> 02:27:33,920 tax was so strong. Um, in 2009 in the 3278 02:27:33,920 --> 02:27:36,479 economic downturn when nobody was buying 3279 02:27:36,479 --> 02:27:38,800 vehicles and a bunch of other things, 3280 02:27:38,800 --> 02:27:41,520 that really changed that balance between 3281 02:27:41,520 --> 02:27:44,160 sales tax and property tax. Sales tax 3282 02:27:44,160 --> 02:27:49,359 went way down and all of a sudden the bigger piece of pie was property 3283 02:27:49,359 --> 02:27:53,359 tax. But as Bryce pointed out in one of 3284 02:27:53,359 --> 02:27:57,040 his um very first slides, it had public 3285 02:27:57,040 --> 02:27:59,600 safety. It had our police wages. It had 3286 02:27:59,600 --> 02:28:02,479 the our assessment to the fire district 3287 02:28:02,479 --> 02:28:05,920 um property tax. The intention of it is 3288 02:28:05,920 --> 02:28:09,120 to at least cover your public safety 3289 02:28:09,120 --> 02:28:13,120 needs. And ours is less than half of 3290 02:28:13,120 --> 02:28:16,160 what our public safety costs are between 3291 02:28:16,160 --> 02:28:18,479 fire and police. And so we've been 3292 02:28:18,479 --> 02:28:20,479 supplementing that with sales tax 3293 02:28:20,479 --> 02:28:22,160 because we are very fortunate with the 3294 02:28:22,160 --> 02:28:24,319 sales tax that we have because we have 3295 02:28:24,319 --> 02:28:26,000 these large car dealerships and a 3296 02:28:26,000 --> 02:28:28,000 grocery store now that help to 3297 02:28:28,000 --> 02:28:29,359 supplement that. 3298 02:28:29,359 --> 02:28:34,880 >> Um it so that's um let's see that was 3299 02:28:34,880 --> 02:28:39,359 one um a 3% value increase by the 3300 02:28:39,359 --> 02:28:42,240 county. Um, the way that property taxes 3301 02:28:42,240 --> 02:28:43,680 are supposed to work, and it's not 3302 02:28:43,680 --> 02:28:46,880 always perfect, is that as values of 3303 02:28:46,880 --> 02:28:50,160 homes go up from your assessment, the 3304 02:28:50,160 --> 02:28:53,280 property tax rate goes down to keep the 3305 02:28:53,280 --> 02:28:56,240 revenue neutral to the city. It's not 3306 02:28:56,240 --> 02:28:58,960 always exact. It's a calculation that 3307 02:28:58,960 --> 02:29:02,399 happens on a county or a state level. 3308 02:29:02,399 --> 02:29:05,760 Um, and then there's different 3309 02:29:05,760 --> 02:29:08,560 valuations each year where the county 3310 02:29:08,560 --> 02:29:12,560 takes a section of homes and it might be 3311 02:29:12,560 --> 02:29:14,160 I don't know if they do it randomly or 3312 02:29:14,160 --> 02:29:16,160 if it's a neighborhood, but as they do 3313 02:29:16,160 --> 02:29:19,280 that, those are adjusted and as those 3314 02:29:19,280 --> 02:29:22,080 values go up, the rates are supposed to 3315 02:29:22,080 --> 02:29:24,479 drop within the city to accommodate 3316 02:29:24,479 --> 02:29:26,479 that. Now, there are times when there's 3317 02:29:26,479 --> 02:29:29,120 a little a bump in that and there's an 3318 02:29:29,120 --> 02:29:31,680 adjustment. Um, 3319 02:29:31,680 --> 02:29:34,160 that that's the way that the state has 3320 02:29:34,160 --> 02:29:36,160 set up property tax in the state of 3321 02:29:36,160 --> 02:29:38,880 Utah. It's intended to hold the cities 3322 02:29:38,880 --> 02:29:42,000 harmless if there's a decrease in value. 3323 02:29:42,000 --> 02:29:45,040 It's also intended to hold the property 3324 02:29:45,040 --> 02:29:47,120 owners harmless if there's an increase 3325 02:29:47,120 --> 02:29:51,520 in home value. Um, 3326 02:29:51,520 --> 02:29:53,840 let's see. 3327 02:29:53,840 --> 02:29:55,680 Um 3328 02:29:55,680 --> 02:29:58,160 there was a a I mentioned that we've not 3329 02:29:58,160 --> 02:30:00,720 been transparent with wages. Um we 3330 02:30:00,720 --> 02:30:04,000 didn't go through all the entire budget 3331 02:30:04,000 --> 02:30:06,479 line item by line item tonight because 3332 02:30:06,479 --> 02:30:09,520 we went through all of those things at 3333 02:30:09,520 --> 02:30:12,720 our interim budget in more detail and 3334 02:30:12,720 --> 02:30:14,399 that's when we're required to do that. 3335 02:30:14,399 --> 02:30:16,319 If we did that tonight, the meeting 3336 02:30:16,319 --> 02:30:18,240 would have gone on for another two hours 3337 02:30:18,240 --> 02:30:20,160 because we're rehashing all of the same 3338 02:30:20,160 --> 02:30:22,560 details. And so we didn't go through 3339 02:30:22,560 --> 02:30:24,160 each one of those tonight. That's 3340 02:30:24,160 --> 02:30:26,960 correct. Um 3341 02:30:26,960 --> 02:30:30,720 I there's been comments about um large 3342 02:30:30,720 --> 02:30:34,319 increases to administration and director 3343 02:30:34,319 --> 02:30:37,040 level positions. We have several of our 3344 02:30:37,040 --> 02:30:40,160 director level positions that are newer 3345 02:30:40,160 --> 02:30:42,319 to the city. And it may be that their 3346 02:30:42,319 --> 02:30:44,479 first year they were paid less. And 3347 02:30:44,479 --> 02:30:46,319 that's probably because it was a partial 3348 02:30:46,319 --> 02:30:48,960 year. And the next year may have been a 3349 02:30:48,960 --> 02:30:51,600 30% increase because that was a full 3350 02:30:51,600 --> 02:30:55,760 year of wages plus a cost adjustment for 3351 02:30:55,760 --> 02:30:58,399 um the cost of living that was in there. 3352 02:30:58,399 --> 02:31:00,880 Those are on par with all of the rest of 3353 02:31:00,880 --> 02:31:03,600 the employees. Like Bryce said, when an 3354 02:31:03,600 --> 02:31:06,960 employee is newer and in the lower 3355 02:31:06,960 --> 02:31:11,120 levels of those step positions, the that 3356 02:31:11,120 --> 02:31:14,160 step increase is on the higher end, it's 3357 02:31:14,160 --> 02:31:17,600 a 4% or whatever. As they get further 3358 02:31:17,600 --> 02:31:19,280 along in their career and they're 3359 02:31:19,280 --> 02:31:20,880 further up that wage scale, the 3360 02:31:20,880 --> 02:31:22,880 difference from one step to the next 3361 02:31:22,880 --> 02:31:26,479 goes from that 4% down to about a 2%. 3362 02:31:26,479 --> 02:31:30,000 And so, um, but those those are set and 3363 02:31:30,000 --> 02:31:33,200 that was helped, um, to be decided on by 3364 02:31:33,200 --> 02:31:35,359 the consultant that we hired to do that 3365 02:31:35,359 --> 02:31:37,920 whole wage survey to try to keep us 3366 02:31:37,920 --> 02:31:40,399 competitive with those that are, um, 3367 02:31:40,399 --> 02:31:42,640 marketing to and trying to steal our 3368 02:31:42,640 --> 02:31:45,200 employees. 3369 02:31:45,200 --> 02:31:46,720 Um 3370 02:31:46,720 --> 02:31:50,160 the amounts one we talked about. Um the 3371 02:31:50,160 --> 02:31:52,000 community space was not mentioned a lot 3372 02:31:52,000 --> 02:31:55,200 in Bryce's presentation about the budget 3373 02:31:55,200 --> 02:31:58,240 and the tax increase. Um our most 3374 02:31:58,240 --> 02:32:01,200 pressing need for sure is the police 3375 02:32:01,200 --> 02:32:03,439 department and having adequate space for 3376 02:32:03,439 --> 02:32:06,160 the police department. The new building 3377 02:32:06,160 --> 02:32:10,240 as the um designs are right now in the 3378 02:32:10,240 --> 02:32:12,640 stage that they're at, it does include 3379 02:32:12,640 --> 02:32:15,520 community space. It includes a city 3380 02:32:15,520 --> 02:32:18,080 council chamber which then has an 3381 02:32:18,080 --> 02:32:20,720 overflow into a community room. That 3382 02:32:20,720 --> 02:32:22,479 community room is big enough to hold 3383 02:32:22,479 --> 02:32:25,120 events in and that community room then 3384 02:32:25,120 --> 02:32:27,680 flows out onto a plaza and into the 3385 02:32:27,680 --> 02:32:30,160 park. So the idea is to have it be a 3386 02:32:30,160 --> 02:32:31,760 gathering space for the community 3387 02:32:31,760 --> 02:32:34,160 whether it's for a meeting, whether it's 3388 02:32:34,160 --> 02:32:36,560 for a meet the candidate night, whether 3389 02:32:36,560 --> 02:32:39,040 it's for any any kind of a city meeting 3390 02:32:39,040 --> 02:32:43,520 or a city celebration or activity. um if 3391 02:32:43,520 --> 02:32:45,439 we build it for that, it also makes 3392 02:32:45,439 --> 02:32:47,840 sense to make it available for residents 3393 02:32:47,840 --> 02:32:51,600 to be able to use in the off times. And 3394 02:32:51,600 --> 02:32:54,800 so that's part of the idea behind that. 3395 02:32:54,800 --> 02:32:57,520 Um the people that we haven't heard from 3396 02:32:57,520 --> 02:32:59,920 tonight that aren't here are people that 3397 02:32:59,920 --> 02:33:03,040 have talked to me and I'm sure to others 3398 02:33:03,040 --> 02:33:05,920 over the last years as we've talked 3399 02:33:05,920 --> 02:33:07,520 about this. And there are people that 3400 02:33:07,520 --> 02:33:09,439 have said, "Hey, as you're redoing City 3401 02:33:09,439 --> 02:33:12,080 Park or as you're redoing City Hall, 3402 02:33:12,080 --> 02:33:15,359 will it have a a good community space, a 3403 02:33:15,359 --> 02:33:18,160 space that we could use to rent out for 3404 02:33:18,160 --> 02:33:20,240 a family celebration or a meeting?" 3405 02:33:20,240 --> 02:33:21,920 Because the space that you have right 3406 02:33:21,920 --> 02:33:25,760 now is not adequate for that. And so as 3407 02:33:25,760 --> 02:33:28,080 we have people that have spoken against 3408 02:33:28,080 --> 02:33:31,120 it here, um I know that I have heard 3409 02:33:31,120 --> 02:33:33,680 from people that have said, "Please, 3410 02:33:33,680 --> 02:33:35,920 please look at these things as you redo 3411 02:33:35,920 --> 02:33:37,920 this because those are things that we're 3412 02:33:37,920 --> 02:33:40,000 interested in." 3413 02:33:40,000 --> 02:33:41,600 Um 3414 02:33:41,600 --> 02:33:44,080 >> and address the needs of the city side 3415 02:33:44,080 --> 02:33:46,560 of business because he didn't talk about 3416 02:33:46,560 --> 02:33:48,800 forefront of that. 3417 02:33:48,800 --> 02:33:53,439 >> Um like what? Well, the the comment of 3418 02:33:53,439 --> 02:33:56,240 like you've talked about did you show 3419 02:33:56,240 --> 02:34:00,640 the um the part of I know you you 3420 02:34:00,640 --> 02:34:03,920 skimmed over the city offices part 3421 02:34:03,920 --> 02:34:05,600 >> but do you want to talk about how much 3422 02:34:05,600 --> 02:34:08,000 smaller that is compared to the police 3423 02:34:08,000 --> 02:34:09,760 department area? 3424 02:34:09,760 --> 02:34:11,520 >> Yes. Do you want me to go back and show 3425 02:34:11,520 --> 02:34:12,640 you it? Yeah. 3426 02:34:12,640 --> 02:34:14,319 >> Okay. Let me jump back to that. 3427 02:34:14,319 --> 02:34:16,080 >> We're we're we're not taking p We're not 3428 02:34:16,080 --> 02:34:17,600 taking public comment, Tyler. We're 3429 02:34:17,600 --> 02:34:20,000 happy to talk to you. We're we're happy 3430 02:34:20,000 --> 02:34:24,630 to talk to you after the meeting. 3431 02:34:24,640 --> 02:34:26,560 » Now you're going over to pretend again. 3432 02:34:26,560 --> 02:34:28,720 How is that fair? You had your chance to 3433 02:34:28,720 --> 02:34:29,600 present it. 3434 02:34:29,600 --> 02:34:32,160 >> I'm just asking clarification for a 3435 02:34:32,160 --> 02:34:33,280 question that I have. 3436 02:34:33,280 --> 02:34:35,600 >> We we put the information out there the 3437 02:34:35,600 --> 02:34:39,439 way that the meeting was going to go. So 3438 02:34:39,439 --> 02:34:41,680 here is the second floor. I'm going to 3439 02:34:41,680 --> 02:34:44,000 jump back to the first floor. The second 3440 02:34:44,000 --> 02:34:46,560 floor kind of occupies. 3441 02:34:46,560 --> 02:34:48,560 >> Can you put it in slideshow so it's 3442 02:34:48,560 --> 02:34:52,000 bigger? If you go to slideshow at the 3443 02:34:52,000 --> 02:34:55,120 top and then present. 3444 02:34:55,120 --> 02:34:57,120 >> Uh, it's covered up on my thing. So, let 3445 02:34:57,120 --> 02:34:58,800 me figure out how to make it visible 3446 02:34:58,800 --> 02:35:00,720 where I can click slideshow. There we 3447 02:35:00,720 --> 02:35:02,080 go. 3448 02:35:02,080 --> 02:35:08,240 >> Okay. So, um the way that the um 3449 02:35:08,240 --> 02:35:10,960 second floor aligns with the first 3450 02:35:10,960 --> 02:35:12,720 floor, this is the elevator right up 3451 02:35:12,720 --> 02:35:14,800 here in this upper left kind of area 3452 02:35:14,800 --> 02:35:17,280 right there where my cursor is. So, I'm 3453 02:35:17,280 --> 02:35:20,880 going to jump to the next slide 3454 02:35:20,880 --> 02:35:23,920 and you can see darn it where the 3455 02:35:23,920 --> 02:35:26,960 elevator is right here. So, here's the 3456 02:35:26,960 --> 02:35:30,160 set of stairs and I'll jump back again. 3457 02:35:30,160 --> 02:35:33,840 Here's the set of stairs right here. So, 3458 02:35:33,840 --> 02:35:35,840 the 3459 02:35:35,840 --> 02:35:38,720 second floor will kind of occupy a 3460 02:35:38,720 --> 02:35:42,080 similar space over the lobby. Um, and 3461 02:35:42,080 --> 02:35:45,120 then it goes over most of the police 3462 02:35:45,120 --> 02:35:48,000 department. It ends about 20 ft short of 3463 02:35:48,000 --> 02:35:51,200 the full depth of the police department. 3464 02:35:51,200 --> 02:35:54,800 I don't have the exact square footage. 3465 02:35:54,800 --> 02:35:56,720 >> That's fine. I just wanted to show that 3466 02:35:56,720 --> 02:36:01,680 we we are uh also being cognizant of the 3467 02:36:01,680 --> 02:36:04,160 police. We realize the police is our 3468 02:36:04,160 --> 02:36:06,800 biggest department of the city and they 3469 02:36:06,800 --> 02:36:08,880 do require more space, but we're not 3470 02:36:08,880 --> 02:36:11,840 building a necessary square footage 3471 02:36:11,840 --> 02:36:14,080 above it to make it, you know, 3472 02:36:14,080 --> 02:36:15,520 >> right? Y 3473 02:36:15,520 --> 02:36:18,080 >> now, can we occupy that extra 20 ft that 3474 02:36:18,080 --> 02:36:19,920 the Edmond building has built back from 3475 02:36:19,920 --> 02:36:22,160 the east face of the police department? 3476 02:36:22,160 --> 02:36:23,359 We believe that there are ways that 3477 02:36:23,359 --> 02:36:25,120 their design could accommodate that in 3478 02:36:25,120 --> 02:36:26,640 the future. In fact, we've even talked 3479 02:36:26,640 --> 02:36:28,479 about do we make a shell now and then do 3480 02:36:28,479 --> 02:36:30,640 it later. Those are still costs and 3481 02:36:30,640 --> 02:36:32,800 things that we'll talk about, but we're 3482 02:36:32,800 --> 02:36:35,760 trying to be conservative and not spend 3483 02:36:35,760 --> 02:36:38,720 money that we don't need to. Um, we've 3484 02:36:38,720 --> 02:36:41,600 also, as I went to the site plan at the 3485 02:36:41,600 --> 02:36:43,040 very beginning, I said, "This is a 3486 02:36:43,040 --> 02:36:45,439 bigger area footprint." And that's 3487 02:36:45,439 --> 02:36:47,120 because we learned that we could move 3488 02:36:47,120 --> 02:36:48,560 more of the police department things 3489 02:36:48,560 --> 02:36:51,200 into the basement like the wait room and 3490 02:36:51,200 --> 02:36:52,640 the gun cleaning and those kind of 3491 02:36:52,640 --> 02:36:54,000 things so that we can make that 3492 02:36:54,000 --> 02:36:56,880 footprint bigger and cover three 3493 02:36:56,880 --> 02:36:59,920 stories. the footprint smaller. 3494 02:36:59,920 --> 02:37:02,720 >> Footprints smaller, but yes, we still 3495 02:37:02,720 --> 02:37:04,319 maintain 3496 02:37:04,319 --> 02:37:05,920 >> to still accommodate 3497 02:37:05,920 --> 02:37:07,600 >> the use. Yes. And then the question 3498 02:37:07,600 --> 02:37:10,560 about why would we keep admin and police 3499 02:37:10,560 --> 02:37:12,399 department as you mentioned, Julie, 3500 02:37:12,399 --> 02:37:14,000 we're working together on a regular 3501 02:37:14,000 --> 02:37:15,920 basis. Sam knows how often he's running 3502 02:37:15,920 --> 02:37:18,160 up here, I'm running down there. And so 3503 02:37:18,160 --> 02:37:20,720 it just makes sense for heating, 3504 02:37:20,720 --> 02:37:23,120 cooling, um the crossover of the 3505 02:37:23,120 --> 02:37:25,120 employees that work together, our HRs 3506 02:37:25,120 --> 02:37:28,640 here. We are constantly in each other's 3507 02:37:28,640 --> 02:37:29,520 spaces 3508 02:37:29,520 --> 02:37:32,399 >> and it just makes sense to 3509 02:37:32,399 --> 02:37:34,160 >> continue having those as close together 3510 02:37:34,160 --> 02:37:36,640 as possible. 3511 02:37:36,640 --> 02:37:38,560 >> Have a question. 3512 02:37:38,560 --> 02:37:41,359 >> Um so someone mentioned something about 3513 02:37:41,359 --> 02:37:43,439 um filtering the air and it was a 3514 02:37:43,439 --> 02:37:46,720 thought that I had as well. 3515 02:37:46,720 --> 02:37:48,800 >> Venting the air. Will that air be 3516 02:37:48,800 --> 02:37:51,120 filtered as it's vented? Do we know that 3517 02:37:51,120 --> 02:37:54,399 yet or is that part of the process or 3518 02:37:54,399 --> 02:37:57,760 >> I think we'll need to look at what 3519 02:37:57,760 --> 02:38:00,560 >> potential hazards are on that air. Um I 3520 02:38:00,560 --> 02:38:02,080 don't think we're going to send out a 3521 02:38:02,080 --> 02:38:03,760 cloud of contamination that's going to 3522 02:38:03,760 --> 02:38:05,280 make people ill, but the more it's 3523 02:38:05,280 --> 02:38:06,800 concentrated in areas, the more 3524 02:38:06,800 --> 02:38:08,240 potential. Chief, I don't know. Do you 3525 02:38:08,240 --> 02:38:11,920 want to elaborate on that? 3526 02:38:11,920 --> 02:38:13,439 >> Yeah, I don't think it'd be anything 3527 02:38:13,439 --> 02:38:15,840 harmful. It's more, you know, if we get 3528 02:38:15,840 --> 02:38:19,520 a lot of marijuana over the weekend, 3529 02:38:19,520 --> 02:38:20,160 just 3530 02:38:20,160 --> 02:38:22,240 >> direct inhalation. I've Yes, we've done 3531 02:38:22,240 --> 02:38:23,600 the field trip. We've been down there 3532 02:38:23,600 --> 02:38:24,880 and we've smelt the smells. 3533 02:38:24,880 --> 02:38:26,479 >> We're not going to be releasing meth or 3534 02:38:26,479 --> 02:38:29,840 heroin or stuff just to ventilate it. 3535 02:38:29,840 --> 02:38:31,439 >> Just ventilator. Okay. Thank you for the 3536 02:38:31,439 --> 02:38:34,550 clarification. 3537 02:38:34,560 --> 02:38:36,800 » Anyway, those were those were just some 3538 02:38:36,800 --> 02:38:38,160 of the ones that I had just gone 3539 02:38:38,160 --> 02:38:45,200 through. I took I took two full pages of notes. of my thoughts and the things 3540 02:38:45,200 --> 02:38:49,760 that I heard. Um, does anyone else have 3541 02:38:49,760 --> 02:38:52,000 comments or clarif Bryce? Do you have 3542 02:38:52,000 --> 02:38:52,479 something else? 3543 02:38:52,479 --> 02:38:53,680 >> There were a lot of comments on the 3544 02:38:53,680 --> 02:38:56,479 trees and we absolutely agree that we do 3545 02:38:56,479 --> 02:38:58,240 not want to remove any more trees than 3546 02:38:58,240 --> 02:39:00,880 are necessary. Um, so we have mapped all 3547 02:39:00,880 --> 02:39:03,040 of the trees, GPS them, and those are on 3548 02:39:03,040 --> 02:39:05,760 the plans and we are working to keep 3549 02:39:05,760 --> 02:39:08,240 every tree that we can. We do have some 3550 02:39:08,240 --> 02:39:09,760 here next to the parking lot that have 3551 02:39:09,760 --> 02:39:12,000 been a nuisance tree. We've anticipated 3552 02:39:12,000 --> 02:39:14,479 removing those. Um we just learned on 3553 02:39:14,479 --> 02:39:16,319 Thursday the issue with the ash trees. 3554 02:39:16,319 --> 02:39:18,880 We will take out as few as possible, but 3555 02:39:18,880 --> 02:39:20,640 realizing that not only have the the 3556 02:39:20,640 --> 02:39:22,960 bore, but Rocky Mountain Powers trimming 3557 02:39:22,960 --> 02:39:24,479 of the trees on the north side of the 3558 02:39:24,479 --> 02:39:27,280 trees has also had a huge impact on the 3559 02:39:27,280 --> 02:39:29,439 livelihood of those trees. So again, 3560 02:39:29,439 --> 02:39:31,200 we'll provide that information as soon 3561 02:39:31,200 --> 02:39:32,720 as we can compile that and make it 3562 02:39:32,720 --> 02:39:34,960 available to the public. And I love the 3563 02:39:34,960 --> 02:39:36,800 idea of utilizing that wood any way that 3564 02:39:36,800 --> 02:39:40,630 we can. 3565 02:39:40,640 --> 02:39:44,319 I uh I was entertaining um some of the 3566 02:39:44,319 --> 02:39:46,319 population data here for a few minutes. 3567 02:39:46,319 --> 02:39:48,880 And as we start thinking about uh our 3568 02:39:48,880 --> 02:39:52,560 city um in 50 years of what a building 3569 02:39:52,560 --> 02:39:55,040 is supposed to support, um I went to 3570 02:39:55,040 --> 02:39:57,600 Wasatch Front Regional Council. Um what 3571 02:39:57,600 --> 02:40:00,960 they do is a a group that basically does 3572 02:40:00,960 --> 02:40:02,880 uh long range planning. They do 3573 02:40:02,880 --> 02:40:05,120 community development. Uh they do a lot 3574 02:40:05,120 --> 02:40:07,680 of transportation studies for us. 3575 02:40:07,680 --> 02:40:11,760 Um the numbers here are pretty eye 3576 02:40:11,760 --> 02:40:14,560 opening. Um basically, you know, we know 3577 02:40:14,560 --> 02:40:17,760 we are right now is about 12,000. Um the 3578 02:40:17,760 --> 02:40:20,880 way that they look at projections is 3579 02:40:20,880 --> 02:40:24,640 that uh by the next uh 10year cycle, 3580 02:40:24,640 --> 02:40:26,960 like in the first 10 years, if we do 3581 02:40:26,960 --> 02:40:29,760 choose to build this building, um we're 3582 02:40:29,760 --> 02:40:34,640 projected to be servicing um 19,41 3583 02:40:34,640 --> 02:40:36,880 um number of population here in the 3584 02:40:36,880 --> 02:40:38,640 city. I mean, we know that there's going 3585 02:40:38,640 --> 02:40:40,560 to have to be some large land that has 3586 02:40:40,560 --> 02:40:43,760 to come up and available for sale, but I 3587 02:40:43,760 --> 02:40:45,680 just was just thinking about like, well, 3588 02:40:45,680 --> 02:40:47,920 okay, that's that's 10 years out of a 3589 02:40:47,920 --> 02:40:50,319 50-year building. Um, what does it look 3590 02:40:50,319 --> 02:40:54,080 like um potentially in in 20 years in in 3591 02:40:54,080 --> 02:40:59,200 2046? Um, it's roughly 21,000. And so I 3592 02:40:59,200 --> 02:41:01,600 mean I just think of um you know our our 3593 02:41:01,600 --> 02:41:04,000 current needs especially with our police 3594 02:41:04,000 --> 02:41:08,000 like this is a building that uh is 3595 02:41:08,000 --> 02:41:13,600 capable to support population of that size. Um we all know that we are 3596 02:41:13,600 --> 02:41:16,240 just live in an incredible place that's 3597 02:41:16,240 --> 02:41:18,560 really close to downtown 3598 02:41:18,560 --> 02:41:22,640 access to tremendous amount of uh job uh 3599 02:41:22,640 --> 02:41:25,200 capacity here. It's a fantastic place 3600 02:41:25,200 --> 02:41:27,520 and people are discovering Woodscross 3601 02:41:27,520 --> 02:41:32,399 and I I want to be able to support the city and the police with that 3602 02:41:32,399 --> 02:41:35,680 >> and and I think um I mean we don't have 3603 02:41:35,680 --> 02:41:38,160 a ton of open land left that will 3604 02:41:38,160 --> 02:41:39,520 develop that's currently within the 3605 02:41:39,520 --> 02:41:41,680 boundaries. We have I think about 400 3606 02:41:41,680 --> 02:41:44,240 acres. Um but the pressure from the 3607 02:41:44,240 --> 02:41:47,760 state is that uh the more and more 3608 02:41:47,760 --> 02:41:49,439 development that happens the higher 3609 02:41:49,439 --> 02:41:51,200 density they're going to require it to 3610 02:41:51,200 --> 02:41:54,399 be. Um and and that's just the reality 3611 02:41:54,399 --> 02:41:57,200 of where we are in Utah because of the 3612 02:41:57,200 --> 02:41:59,760 housing shortage and the population 3613 02:41:59,760 --> 02:42:02,240 that's continuing to grow and they're 3614 02:42:02,240 --> 02:42:06,160 putting requirements on cities to um 3615 02:42:06,160 --> 02:42:08,640 increase density and to do that. And as 3616 02:42:08,640 --> 02:42:11,359 areas of the city of of cities 3617 02:42:11,359 --> 02:42:14,800 redevelop, those will most likely also 3618 02:42:14,800 --> 02:42:17,120 have highdensity housing elements 3619 02:42:17,120 --> 02:42:18,720 because 3620 02:42:18,720 --> 02:42:22,160 there's only so many places to build and 3621 02:42:22,160 --> 02:42:24,479 um that's just the way that things are 3622 02:42:24,479 --> 02:42:26,000 going. It's the pressure that we're 3623 02:42:26,000 --> 02:42:31,280 feeling from the state. It's not that that's what we want, but that's the 3624 02:42:31,280 --> 02:42:33,040 reality of the way things are heading 3625 02:42:33,040 --> 02:42:36,240 now. And so I think that is where Wasach 3626 02:42:36,240 --> 02:42:38,000 Front Regional Council is taking those 3627 02:42:38,000 --> 02:42:38,800 numbers. 3628 02:42:38,800 --> 02:42:39,760 >> Yeah. 3629 02:42:39,760 --> 02:42:41,280 >> Because they're looking at it saying 3630 02:42:41,280 --> 02:42:43,040 that's how it's going to develop. The 3631 02:42:43,040 --> 02:42:45,920 closer you are to Salt Lake, the the 3632 02:42:45,920 --> 02:42:47,920 more that's going to happen because it 3633 02:42:47,920 --> 02:42:50,720 just has to go up. 3634 02:42:50,720 --> 02:42:52,640 So, 3635 02:42:52,640 --> 02:42:56,319 >> um, Bryce, what would it be possible for 3636 02:42:56,319 --> 02:42:58,800 the city to if we did decide to do this 3637 02:42:58,800 --> 02:43:02,960 in two two phases and maybe let's focus 3638 02:43:02,960 --> 02:43:05,040 on the building and getting the building 3639 02:43:05,040 --> 02:43:06,960 and I know that that's going to tear up 3640 02:43:06,960 --> 02:43:10,160 the parks in areas because obviously the 3641 02:43:10,160 --> 02:43:14,800 building's going to go in the park. Um, 3642 02:43:14,800 --> 02:43:17,600 if we were to look at doing two bonds, 3643 02:43:17,600 --> 02:43:20,640 one for the city and then one for the 3644 02:43:20,640 --> 02:43:22,160 parks 3645 02:43:22,160 --> 02:43:24,319 in a couple years or after the city is 3646 02:43:24,319 --> 02:43:26,880 built has built city hall, is that 3647 02:43:26,880 --> 02:43:30,399 something we could do? Um, 3648 02:43:30,399 --> 02:43:32,399 like 3649 02:43:32,399 --> 02:43:34,240 brainstorm with me on that. 3650 02:43:34,240 --> 02:43:37,200 >> Yes. So, the answer is yes. if we chose 3651 02:43:37,200 --> 02:43:39,439 to literally phase two different things 3652 02:43:39,439 --> 02:43:40,800 and just say, "Okay, we're only going to 3653 02:43:40,800 --> 02:43:42,800 spend this much money during this 3654 02:43:42,800 --> 02:43:45,920 portion of the project and that's all 3655 02:43:45,920 --> 02:43:47,760 we're going to do and whatever the part 3656 02:43:47,760 --> 02:43:49,920 looks like for the remainder of that." 3657 02:43:49,920 --> 02:43:52,560 Um, but I talked to Mark Anderson, our 3658 02:43:52,560 --> 02:43:55,359 financial adviser, and said, "Could we 3659 02:43:55,359 --> 02:43:57,439 No, let's just say we did say we want to 3660 02:43:57,439 --> 02:44:00,399 go for a $33 million or a $25 million 3661 02:44:00,399 --> 02:44:03,840 bond." Um, could we borrow a portion 3662 02:44:03,840 --> 02:44:05,279 this year and then a port and a higher 3663 02:44:05,279 --> 02:44:07,200 portion next year? And the answer is no. 3664 02:44:07,200 --> 02:44:08,800 Just like any of us going to the bank 3665 02:44:08,800 --> 02:44:10,399 and saying, "Hey, I need a loan on a 3666 02:44:10,399 --> 02:44:12,720 house. Here's my income this year, but 3667 02:44:12,720 --> 02:44:14,720 by next year when the payments are due, 3668 02:44:14,720 --> 02:44:16,240 I promise I'm going to have, you know, 3669 02:44:16,240 --> 02:44:18,880 25% more, whatever that amount is." And 3670 02:44:18,880 --> 02:44:21,040 he confirmed no, uh, to go to the 3671 02:44:21,040 --> 02:44:22,960 bonding and through that process, you 3672 02:44:22,960 --> 02:44:24,080 have to be able to show that you have 3673 02:44:24,080 --> 02:44:26,720 revenue sufficient to cover that. Now, 3674 02:44:26,720 --> 02:44:29,200 with that being said, we still are 3675 02:44:29,200 --> 02:44:30,640 working with some big numbers. We're 3676 02:44:30,640 --> 02:44:32,560 still trying to estimate the best we 3677 02:44:32,560 --> 02:44:35,279 can. And so, you know, we have to make a 3678 02:44:35,279 --> 02:44:37,040 decision before the end of August what 3679 02:44:37,040 --> 02:44:39,200 this rate's going to be. If between now 3680 02:44:39,200 --> 02:44:42,720 and next year, we get the building done 3681 02:44:42,720 --> 02:44:44,560 and let's say we build the whole entire 3682 02:44:44,560 --> 02:44:46,960 project and we find out that we don't 3683 02:44:46,960 --> 02:44:49,840 need to borrow $25 million. Let's say we 3684 02:44:49,840 --> 02:44:51,359 could borrow $20 million or something 3685 02:44:51,359 --> 02:44:52,800 and the payments don't need to be that 3686 02:44:52,800 --> 02:44:55,439 high. Then the council could lower that 3687 02:44:55,439 --> 02:44:57,840 tax rate to cover the debt that we need 3688 02:44:57,840 --> 02:45:01,040 to cover. So it's unfortunate that we 3689 02:45:01,040 --> 02:45:02,800 have to say we have to make a decision 3690 02:45:02,800 --> 02:45:05,359 by the end of August. But if we are 3691 02:45:05,359 --> 02:45:08,319 fortunate in, you know, doing this 3692 02:45:08,319 --> 02:45:10,560 project for less, there are ways that we 3693 02:45:10,560 --> 02:45:12,800 can give the citizens relief in other 3694 02:45:12,800 --> 02:45:15,920 ways. I hate to promise that, but we're 3695 02:45:15,920 --> 02:45:17,439 not 3696 02:45:17,439 --> 02:45:20,160 binding the city or ourselves to that 3697 02:45:20,160 --> 02:45:22,080 higher tax rate unless there's a 3698 02:45:22,080 --> 02:45:24,640 legitimate need for it. So what is the 3699 02:45:24,640 --> 02:45:27,920 cost when of setting up another bond if 3700 02:45:27,920 --> 02:45:30,560 we were to split them? Is it cost 3701 02:45:30,560 --> 02:45:33,760 effective to look at that or are there 3702 02:45:33,760 --> 02:45:34,880 fees and 3703 02:45:34,880 --> 02:45:37,200 >> there are fees? Yes. Just like if you 3704 02:45:37,200 --> 02:45:38,960 were to go get a mortgage and then get a 3705 02:45:38,960 --> 02:45:40,960 second mortgage. You're going to pay 3706 02:45:40,960 --> 02:45:43,439 Yes. a lot of fees on that. Please don't 3707 02:45:43,439 --> 02:45:44,640 put me on the spot to give you what 3708 02:45:44,640 --> 02:45:46,560 those dollar amounts are, but you would 3709 02:45:46,560 --> 02:45:48,479 have to ask yourself the question, is it 3710 02:45:48,479 --> 02:45:50,399 really worth the additional money to go 3711 02:45:50,399 --> 02:45:53,120 through that bonding cost and paying for 3712 02:45:53,120 --> 02:45:55,439 those issuing costs 3713 02:45:55,439 --> 02:45:58,399 in two loans versus doing it in one? But 3714 02:45:58,399 --> 02:46:04,790 yes, that is a additional cost. 3715 02:46:04,800 --> 02:46:06,880 » Okay. 3716 02:46:06,880 --> 02:46:08,560 There were there were also comments 3717 02:46:08,560 --> 02:46:12,240 about um let's wait and save up money to 3718 02:46:12,240 --> 02:46:15,359 pay for it in the future. Um which is an 3719 02:46:15,359 --> 02:46:18,479 option um in order to save up sufficient 3720 02:46:18,479 --> 02:46:22,319 funding. we would still have to increase 3721 02:46:22,319 --> 02:46:25,520 property taxes in order to accumulate 3722 02:46:25,520 --> 02:46:28,080 enough. Or what we're doing is we're 3723 02:46:28,080 --> 02:46:30,160 accumulating and the cost is going up 3724 02:46:30,160 --> 02:46:32,080 and we're accumulating and the cost is 3725 02:46:32,080 --> 02:46:33,920 going up and we're chasing a number that 3726 02:46:33,920 --> 02:46:36,000 we can't get to at the rate that we're 3727 02:46:36,000 --> 02:46:38,560 able to accumulate cash at this point. 3728 02:46:38,560 --> 02:46:43,200 Um it's just it's it's 3729 02:46:43,200 --> 02:46:45,200 we look I look at Bountiful. Bountiful 3730 02:46:45,200 --> 02:46:48,800 years ago went to um paying everything 3731 02:46:48,800 --> 02:46:51,600 with cash, but to do that they raised 3732 02:46:51,600 --> 02:46:54,800 their property taxes and they collected 3733 02:46:54,800 --> 02:46:56,560 way more in property taxes than what 3734 02:46:56,560 --> 02:46:58,479 they needed to operate and they stuck 3735 02:46:58,479 --> 02:47:00,319 that into a capital improvement account 3736 02:47:00,319 --> 02:47:02,960 that they grew over the years. But they 3737 02:47:02,960 --> 02:47:06,560 made a decision 20 plus years ago to do 3738 02:47:06,560 --> 02:47:09,200 that and raised their property taxes at 3739 02:47:09,200 --> 02:47:11,359 this point at that point. So, we 3740 02:47:11,359 --> 02:47:13,840 probably would still end up having to go 3741 02:47:13,840 --> 02:47:15,760 through actually we I mean that we would 3742 02:47:15,760 --> 02:47:17,600 have to run the numbers, but we'd 3743 02:47:17,600 --> 02:47:19,760 probably have to increase the taxes more 3744 02:47:19,760 --> 02:47:22,080 than this because we would accumulate 3745 02:47:22,080 --> 02:47:24,399 it, but the cost of construction is 3746 02:47:24,399 --> 02:47:28,160 going up at least 5% a year. And so, as 3747 02:47:28,160 --> 02:47:30,640 we're accumulating, we're just never 3748 02:47:30,640 --> 02:47:33,520 catching that number. the the number is. 3749 02:47:33,520 --> 02:47:36,399 So if we waited for 10 years and I mean 3750 02:47:36,399 --> 02:47:39,200 if right now if we're we're able to save 3751 02:47:39,200 --> 02:47:41,439 a million dollars a year right now 3752 02:47:41,439 --> 02:47:43,600 that's without any costs going up and 3753 02:47:43,600 --> 02:47:46,800 with no tax increase. So no inflation at 3754 02:47:46,800 --> 02:47:49,840 all to the city. So in 10 years we would 3755 02:47:49,840 --> 02:47:52,880 have saved $10 million plus some 3756 02:47:52,880 --> 02:47:56,319 interest each year. But the cost now of 3757 02:47:56,319 --> 02:47:59,760 the building instead of being 14 million 3758 02:47:59,760 --> 02:48:02,880 um if it's going up 5% a year, you're 3759 02:48:02,880 --> 02:48:05,040 now 3760 02:48:05,040 --> 02:48:08,479 however many million 7 8 million higher. 3761 02:48:08,479 --> 02:48:11,439 So you've accumulated a little bit more 3762 02:48:11,439 --> 02:48:13,359 than the increase in cost of the 3763 02:48:13,359 --> 02:48:15,920 building. And it just without doing a 3764 02:48:15,920 --> 02:48:18,319 sizable tax increase, you can't ever get 3765 02:48:18,319 --> 02:48:20,800 to the point that you can do it in cash. 3766 02:48:20,800 --> 02:48:22,560 cities don't have a rich uncle that's 3767 02:48:22,560 --> 02:48:23,760 going to pass away and give an 3768 02:48:23,760 --> 02:48:25,600 inheritance someday. 3769 02:48:25,600 --> 02:48:27,279 >> It just doesn't happen. 3770 02:48:27,279 --> 02:48:29,359 >> The other the other piece too is, you 3771 02:48:29,359 --> 02:48:31,920 know, we're required um the state of 3772 02:48:31,920 --> 02:48:34,319 Utah is very conservative. 3773 02:48:34,319 --> 02:48:37,600 We will bank our money with the state of 3774 02:48:37,600 --> 02:48:40,479 Utah's treasur's office and that's at 3775 02:48:40,479 --> 02:48:42,160 best two or 3%. 3776 02:48:42,160 --> 02:48:43,520 >> Yeah, that's going to ask how much 3777 02:48:43,520 --> 02:48:45,359 percentage would we get on our savings 3778 02:48:45,359 --> 02:48:46,479 if we save anything? 3779 02:48:46,479 --> 02:48:49,279 >> We we really we we don't I can go find 3780 02:48:49,279 --> 02:48:50,960 that. Let me share one piece of 3781 02:48:50,960 --> 02:48:52,720 information. I just looked up the 3782 02:48:52,720 --> 02:48:54,960 estimates that we received in February 3783 02:48:54,960 --> 02:48:58,160 from uh 3784 02:48:58,160 --> 02:49:02,479 >> um Z's Bank giving us an estimate and 3785 02:49:02,479 --> 02:49:05,040 the cost of issuance was approximately 3786 02:49:05,040 --> 02:49:10,560 $200,000 to borrow $15 million. So, um 3787 02:49:10,560 --> 02:49:13,439 let me jump to the cost of issuance for 3788 02:49:13,439 --> 02:49:18,319 $25 million on a 25-year loan. 3789 02:49:18,319 --> 02:49:24,070 That estimate again was 3790 02:49:24,080 --> 02:49:27,269 um 3791 02:49:27,279 --> 02:49:29,359 $278,000 3792 02:49:29,359 --> 02:49:32,160 approximately in issuance cost. So 3793 02:49:32,160 --> 02:49:34,880 >> $78,000 increase for more than double 3794 02:49:34,880 --> 02:49:35,840 the amount 3795 02:49:35,840 --> 02:49:38,720 >> um for $10 million more because 15 3796 02:49:38,720 --> 02:49:40,640 million, this is 25 million. So 3797 02:49:40,640 --> 02:49:41,200 >> $10 million. 3798 02:49:41,200 --> 02:49:42,560 >> Don't ask me to do the math on that 3799 02:49:42,560 --> 02:49:45,680 right now. for uh Rachel's question. Let 3800 02:49:45,680 --> 02:49:49,439 me jump to my monthly finance and I can 3801 02:49:49,439 --> 02:49:53,120 tell you what our last PETIF that's 3802 02:49:53,120 --> 02:49:56,640 public treasures impact public treasures 3803 02:49:56,640 --> 02:49:58,000 investment fund. 3804 02:49:58,000 --> 02:50:01,120 >> Um this is a secure investment place 3805 02:50:01,120 --> 02:50:03,359 where we can put our money. We can 3806 02:50:03,359 --> 02:50:05,840 choose other instruments but this is a 3807 02:50:05,840 --> 02:50:07,120 very secure 3808 02:50:07,120 --> 02:50:09,840 >> and typically does better than a lot of 3809 02:50:09,840 --> 02:50:13,120 commercial institutions can offer us. 3810 02:50:13,120 --> 02:50:21,190 And our finance report for June of 2026 3811 02:50:21,200 --> 02:50:27,510 was 3812 02:50:27,520 --> 02:50:35,190 Hold on a second. Sorry, 3813 02:50:35,200 --> 02:50:37,200 Bryce. While you're looking that up, I 3814 02:50:37,200 --> 02:50:40,640 did have a resident ask um why we don't 3815 02:50:40,640 --> 02:50:45,760 invest money in like stocks or or things 3816 02:50:45,760 --> 02:50:48,399 like that. And um it's against state law 3817 02:50:48,399 --> 02:50:52,800 for us to use taxpayer dollars for any 3818 02:50:52,800 --> 02:50:54,960 sort of uh 3819 02:50:54,960 --> 02:50:57,680 >> public public 3820 02:50:57,680 --> 02:50:59,359 corporation 3821 02:50:59,359 --> 02:51:02,720 investments. uh it's like us gambling 3822 02:51:02,720 --> 02:51:05,040 the residents money if there's a crash 3823 02:51:05,040 --> 02:51:06,800 in the market or different things. So 3824 02:51:06,800 --> 02:51:09,600 state law pres that states that we have 3825 02:51:09,600 --> 02:51:11,840 to do our savings through the state 3826 02:51:11,840 --> 02:51:14,800 treasury if anyone's wondering 3827 02:51:14,800 --> 02:51:15,600 >> about that. 3828 02:51:15,600 --> 02:51:18,479 >> Brian just text a friend Brian just sent 3829 02:51:18,479 --> 02:51:21,279 the text and said it was 3.9% um was 3830 02:51:21,279 --> 02:51:25,359 last our last uh pediff interest rate. 3831 02:51:25,359 --> 02:51:28,080 And the rate on the bond would be 3832 02:51:28,080 --> 02:51:31,120 approximately the estimate was 4 3833 02:51:31,120 --> 02:51:34,240 something right was around 4%. 3834 02:51:34,240 --> 02:51:36,800 >> The when they gave us this estimate they 3835 02:51:36,800 --> 02:51:38,720 said that the interest rate was 3836 02:51:38,720 --> 02:51:41,680 estimated to be 3837 02:51:41,680 --> 02:51:44,399 net interest cost 4.12 true interest 3838 02:51:44,399 --> 02:51:47,120 cost 4 3.99 3839 02:51:47,120 --> 02:51:50,720 uh average coupon 4.49. 3840 02:51:50,720 --> 02:51:52,399 Can you explain that Ryan? is I mean 3841 02:51:52,399 --> 02:51:54,880 there's there's a lot there's a lot that 3842 02:51:54,880 --> 02:51:57,439 goes into those numbers. 3843 02:51:57,439 --> 02:51:59,840 >> Also, can you be looking up the 3844 02:51:59,840 --> 02:52:02,319 construction increase per year that 3845 02:52:02,319 --> 02:52:03,120 Hogan has? 3846 02:52:03,120 --> 02:52:06,800 >> 5% is 5%. So, it's a percent more than 3847 02:52:06,800 --> 02:52:10,479 what our savings would get give us. 3848 02:52:10,479 --> 02:52:12,319 >> That's a few%. 3849 02:52:12,319 --> 02:52:14,960 >> And if we go back to Hogan's estimate 3850 02:52:14,960 --> 02:52:16,880 they gave us, they had a 5% of project 3851 02:52:16,880 --> 02:52:19,840 that was about $1.4 million. So, if we 3852 02:52:19,840 --> 02:52:22,160 keep adding on $1.4 4 million, but then 3853 02:52:22,160 --> 02:52:25,040 that also is going up. It's going to get 3854 02:52:25,040 --> 02:52:27,279 higher every month, every year. Yeah. 3855 02:52:27,279 --> 02:52:29,040 You're looking at potential costs of 3856 02:52:29,040 --> 02:52:30,399 about a million and a half every year 3857 02:52:30,399 --> 02:52:32,080 that you're waiting. 3858 02:52:32,080 --> 02:52:33,920 >> In fact, we were told that if we didn't 3859 02:52:33,920 --> 02:52:37,040 get this project bid and sealed the deal 3860 02:52:37,040 --> 02:52:40,319 before January 1st, that's when most 3861 02:52:40,319 --> 02:52:42,880 corporations, suppliers, and everything 3862 02:52:42,880 --> 02:52:45,279 just automatically put in that increase. 3863 02:52:45,279 --> 02:52:47,359 So, we could expect that if we don't get 3864 02:52:47,359 --> 02:52:56,550 a bid out before January 1. 3865 02:52:56,560 --> 02:52:58,640 Brian's texting 3866 02:52:58,640 --> 02:53:01,680 Sam to just remind us that if you keep 3867 02:53:01,680 --> 02:53:03,359 an eye on bond rates and stuff in the 3868 02:53:03,359 --> 02:53:05,120 news, I mean it's based, you know, they 3869 02:53:05,120 --> 02:53:06,640 kind of follow treasuries and things. I 3870 02:53:06,640 --> 02:53:08,720 mean, that that market is just 3871 02:53:08,720 --> 02:53:11,760 whipsawing up and down every day. So, 3872 02:53:11,760 --> 02:53:13,520 >> okay, the whole economy is 3873 02:53:13,520 --> 02:53:14,240 >> Yeah. Yeah. 3874 02:53:14,240 --> 02:53:17,840 >> Yeah. So, as the kindergartener 3875 02:53:17,840 --> 02:53:19,200 um this 3876 02:53:19,200 --> 02:53:22,000 >> I'll get myself the first grader on 3877 02:53:22,000 --> 02:53:23,680 >> it to like as a first 3878 02:53:23,680 --> 02:53:24,479 >> Okay, there you go. 3879 02:53:24,479 --> 02:53:26,319 >> There we go. Well, we'll get in my terms 3880 02:53:26,319 --> 02:53:28,640 in my world. Um I've done it, you know, 3881 02:53:28,640 --> 02:53:30,880 as the newbie on this on this council. 3882 02:53:30,880 --> 02:53:35,840 Um I've come in at a very massive 3883 02:53:35,840 --> 02:53:38,080 disadvantage because I've not been a 3884 02:53:38,080 --> 02:53:41,120 part of the discussion that um I know at 3885 02:53:41,120 --> 02:53:43,680 least has been happening. you know, as I 3886 02:53:43,680 --> 02:53:45,359 went back through records, it was like 3887 02:53:45,359 --> 02:53:48,319 2023 where I saw it start consistently 3888 02:53:48,319 --> 02:53:51,760 appear on city council agendas and 3889 02:53:51,760 --> 02:53:54,399 minutes. Um, I've had to do a lot of 3890 02:53:54,399 --> 02:53:58,080 learning and I've had to go find out 3891 02:53:58,080 --> 02:54:03,030 where these things are. And as I've 3892 02:54:03,040 --> 02:54:05,680 when we went to the training in St. 3893 02:54:05,680 --> 02:54:09,279 George. Um, they sat down with me and 3894 02:54:09,279 --> 02:54:11,200 told me what what the rate was going to 3895 02:54:11,200 --> 02:54:13,680 be and I about passed out. I'm like, 3896 02:54:13,680 --> 02:54:17,840 there is no way. I cannot I cannot 3897 02:54:17,840 --> 02:54:20,399 raise taxes that much. That is that is 3898 02:54:20,399 --> 02:54:23,279 that's a no. Um, but as I've come to 3899 02:54:23,279 --> 02:54:24,960 learn, 3900 02:54:24,960 --> 02:54:29,910 um, 3901 02:54:29,920 --> 02:54:31,840 we've kicked a can down the road for 3902 02:54:31,840 --> 02:54:33,600 years and years and years. We have an 3903 02:54:33,600 --> 02:54:35,520 aging infrastructure that we are not 3904 02:54:35,520 --> 02:54:37,840 taking care of and this building is one 3905 02:54:37,840 --> 02:54:40,800 of them. And I can understand why past 3906 02:54:40,800 --> 02:54:44,560 city council and mayors have not passed 3907 02:54:44,560 --> 02:54:47,120 a tax increase because it does it does 3908 02:54:47,120 --> 02:54:49,680 hurt our citizens. It hurts it hurts 3909 02:54:49,680 --> 02:54:53,680 them in a way that um we we don't know 3910 02:54:53,680 --> 02:54:55,279 and we don't understand because we're 3911 02:54:55,279 --> 02:54:56,800 not in their daily lives and we're not 3912 02:54:56,800 --> 02:54:58,720 seeing their personal finances and their 3913 02:54:58,720 --> 02:55:01,920 personal struggles. 3914 02:55:01,920 --> 02:55:04,800 But the longer we kick it down the road, 3915 02:55:04,800 --> 02:55:08,160 the longer we avoid doing this, 3916 02:55:08,160 --> 02:55:11,120 the more it's going to hurt us. 3917 02:55:11,120 --> 02:55:15,120 And so I am absolutely just in abject 3918 02:55:15,120 --> 02:55:19,840 horror at the thought of 46%. 3919 02:55:19,840 --> 02:55:22,160 But I am at an even in more abject 3920 02:55:22,160 --> 02:55:24,319 horror of not taking care of this city 3921 02:55:24,319 --> 02:55:28,479 that I have adopted as my home. 3922 02:55:28,479 --> 02:55:30,319 Um, as a school teacher, I have to 3923 02:55:30,319 --> 02:55:33,600 differentiate the needs of 25, 30, 30 3924 02:55:33,600 --> 02:55:36,399 students. And it's hard because this 3925 02:55:36,399 --> 02:55:40,640 student needs this and this student wants this and 3926 02:55:40,640 --> 02:55:43,040 someone's need is someone else's want 3927 02:55:43,040 --> 02:55:44,960 and someone's want is someone else's 3928 02:55:44,960 --> 02:55:47,840 need. And so, as I've listened to all 3929 02:55:47,840 --> 02:55:50,160 these amazing individuals in our 3930 02:55:50,160 --> 02:55:52,479 community talk about their needs and 3931 02:55:52,479 --> 02:55:59,920 their wants and their fears and their frustrations. I'm like, how do we 3932 02:55:59,920 --> 02:56:02,880 balance all of these things? And I have 3933 02:56:02,880 --> 02:56:04,880 said several times, I wish I had a 3934 02:56:04,880 --> 02:56:07,439 crystal ball so I could see what the 3935 02:56:07,439 --> 02:56:09,840 future is going to bring. 3936 02:56:09,840 --> 02:56:17,600 And as a protector, a daily protector of the future and those little lives, I 3937 02:56:17,600 --> 02:56:21,520 want this city to be something that my 3938 02:56:21,520 --> 02:56:23,760 students 3939 02:56:23,760 --> 02:56:27,600 are proud of. And I fear that if we 3940 02:56:27,600 --> 02:56:32,080 don't do this now, it won't be and we 3941 02:56:32,080 --> 02:56:36,550 will continue to 3942 02:56:36,560 --> 02:56:40,319 fall apart at the seams. 3943 02:56:40,319 --> 02:56:44,640 And so, yeah, I do not do not want to 3944 02:56:44,640 --> 02:56:46,880 raise this 46%. 3945 02:56:46,880 --> 02:56:50,240 And I hope with the fervor of my soul 3946 02:56:50,240 --> 02:56:53,600 that we don't. 3947 02:56:53,600 --> 02:56:57,200 But I recognize that if I want a city 3948 02:56:57,200 --> 02:57:00,080 that is good for tomorrow and that 3949 02:57:00,080 --> 02:57:02,880 tomorrow's tomorrow, 3950 02:57:02,880 --> 02:57:04,960 then I guess we have to make the 3951 02:57:04,960 --> 02:57:10,160 decision that other Pacity counselors um 3952 02:57:10,160 --> 02:57:12,720 also struggle to make and and chose not 3953 02:57:12,720 --> 02:57:15,680 to. And so we're between a rock and a 3954 02:57:15,680 --> 02:57:18,479 hard spot. And we have to 3955 02:57:18,479 --> 02:57:20,720 cuz if we don't, 3956 02:57:20,720 --> 02:57:23,040 it's going to get worse. 3957 02:57:23,040 --> 02:57:25,760 And I don't want that. I don't want that 3958 02:57:25,760 --> 02:57:28,080 for my future. I don't want that for the 3959 02:57:28,080 --> 02:57:29,680 future of the kids that pass through my 3960 02:57:29,680 --> 02:57:34,000 classroom. And I do not want city to 3961 02:57:34,000 --> 02:57:46,710 lose its its viability and its future. 3962 02:57:46,720 --> 02:57:50,389 Thanks Rachel. 3963 02:57:50,399 --> 02:57:54,240 other comments or discussion. 3964 02:57:54,240 --> 02:57:57,439 >> I've appreciated u being involved from 3965 02:57:57,439 --> 02:58:01,120 day one. Um I think we can look at that 3966 02:58:01,120 --> 02:58:03,520 citizens committee that was initially 3967 02:58:03,520 --> 02:58:06,479 contacted and asked to be involved to 3968 02:58:06,479 --> 02:58:08,479 give us ideas as kind of a steering 3969 02:58:08,479 --> 02:58:11,439 committee. And I think those initial 3970 02:58:11,439 --> 02:58:14,720 citizens pointed us in this general 3971 02:58:14,720 --> 02:58:16,479 direction. 3972 02:58:16,479 --> 02:58:19,920 and in looking and and hearing hours 3973 02:58:19,920 --> 02:58:22,399 upon hours of their comments and ideas 3974 02:58:22,399 --> 02:58:27,040 and then of course talking with um 3975 02:58:27,040 --> 02:58:29,760 uh those that attended Memorial Day and 3976 02:58:29,760 --> 02:58:32,479 the displays we had out there and to see 3977 02:58:32,479 --> 02:58:34,560 the excitement on so many of our 3978 02:58:34,560 --> 02:58:38,479 citizens and families of citizens that 3979 02:58:38,479 --> 02:58:41,680 uh look forward to changes. And then 3980 02:58:41,680 --> 02:58:43,600 there's two comments that were made here 3981 02:58:43,600 --> 02:58:46,800 tonight that has stood out particularly 3982 02:58:46,800 --> 02:58:50,080 for me. I can't remember his name, but 3983 02:58:50,080 --> 02:58:51,680 it's the gentleman with the white shirt 3984 02:58:51,680 --> 02:58:52,479 and tie. 3985 02:58:52,479 --> 02:58:53,760 >> Spencer McBride. 3986 02:58:53,760 --> 02:58:55,760 >> Spencer. 3987 02:58:55,760 --> 02:58:58,880 And he said when he goes to the park 3988 02:58:58,880 --> 02:59:01,439 with his kids, he's grateful for the 3989 02:59:01,439 --> 02:59:04,000 decisions that were made by those that 3990 02:59:04,000 --> 02:59:06,319 came before. 3991 02:59:06,319 --> 02:59:09,200 And I think, okay, are there going to be 3992 02:59:09,200 --> 02:59:10,960 individuals that are going to be 3993 02:59:10,960 --> 02:59:13,680 grateful 20 years from now for decisions 3994 02:59:13,680 --> 02:59:15,920 that we make tonight, 3995 02:59:15,920 --> 02:59:17,840 or are they going to regret the 3996 02:59:17,840 --> 02:59:20,640 decisions we didn't make? 3997 02:59:20,640 --> 02:59:24,000 And then little Ruth Payne standing up 3998 02:59:24,000 --> 02:59:26,640 there. I think she's a great 3999 02:59:26,640 --> 02:59:29,520 representation 4000 02:59:29,520 --> 02:59:31,920 of a stage of life that I'm entering 4001 02:59:31,920 --> 02:59:36,560 into. Um, I'm on a fixed income, too. 4002 02:59:36,560 --> 02:59:38,960 I've loved my retirement for this last 4003 02:59:38,960 --> 02:59:40,319 year and a half, and I hope to have 4004 02:59:40,319 --> 02:59:44,720 many, many more years yet in the future. 4005 02:59:44,720 --> 02:59:47,840 And so, this is a burden that I am 4006 02:59:47,840 --> 02:59:51,439 willing to take upon myself along with. 4007 02:59:51,439 --> 02:59:53,920 I I can't be willing not to do that and 4008 02:59:53,920 --> 02:59:56,000 vote it for the others that are fellow 4009 02:59:56,000 --> 02:59:58,960 citizens in this city. So, it's a burden 4010 02:59:58,960 --> 03:00:01,359 I'm willing to take upon myself as a 4011 03:00:01,359 --> 03:00:03,040 retiree. 4012 03:00:03,040 --> 03:00:09,269 and and share that. 4013 03:00:09,279 --> 03:00:10,800 » Don't necessarily need to have the last 4014 03:00:10,800 --> 03:00:12,240 word, but I should probably say 4015 03:00:12,240 --> 03:00:14,880 something. 4016 03:00:14,880 --> 03:00:18,000 Been very quiet here. Um, 4017 03:00:18,000 --> 03:00:21,279 I I've also been involved very early on 4018 03:00:21,279 --> 03:00:24,720 before I was in this chair. Um, I 4019 03:00:24,720 --> 03:00:27,520 actually participated in in the the the 4020 03:00:27,520 --> 03:00:30,160 citizens committee as a citizen and on 4021 03:00:30,160 --> 03:00:31,920 the planning commission. And so I've 4022 03:00:31,920 --> 03:00:34,720 seen the early process of this and I 4023 03:00:34,720 --> 03:00:38,080 it's I see the difficulty 4024 03:00:38,080 --> 03:00:41,120 of people who haven't been as involved 4025 03:00:41,120 --> 03:00:44,000 because it's very difficult to convey 4026 03:00:44,000 --> 03:00:46,240 information in a way that's effective. 4027 03:00:46,240 --> 03:00:47,760 Uh especially when there really aren't 4028 03:00:47,760 --> 03:00:49,359 any decisions that are being made. It's 4029 03:00:49,359 --> 03:00:52,000 all we don't know and we're and we're 4030 03:00:52,000 --> 03:00:56,560 figuring it out. Um I also think we are 4031 03:00:56,560 --> 03:00:58,880 in a bit of a tough situation because 4032 03:00:58,880 --> 03:01:00,880 like was mentioned I don't remember who 4033 03:01:00,880 --> 03:01:02,399 exactly mentioned it but saying hey if 4034 03:01:02,399 --> 03:01:04,319 we had the money saved up and we just 4035 03:01:04,319 --> 03:01:06,560 had to spend that money to build the 4036 03:01:06,560 --> 03:01:07,600 city hall is a lot different 4037 03:01:07,600 --> 03:01:09,359 conversation than having to raise taxes 4038 03:01:09,359 --> 03:01:12,080 to do it right that's what Bountiful did 4039 03:01:12,080 --> 03:01:15,120 20 years ago they decided we're going to 4040 03:01:15,120 --> 03:01:18,800 create this huge bank account of money 4041 03:01:18,800 --> 03:01:20,479 of citizens money we're going to put it 4042 03:01:20,479 --> 03:01:22,960 away for 20 years and then we're going 4043 03:01:22,960 --> 03:01:24,960 build a city hall or well then we're 4044 03:01:24,960 --> 03:01:27,279 going to renovate our city hall and we 4045 03:01:27,279 --> 03:01:29,760 don't need to go into that as described 4046 03:01:29,760 --> 03:01:33,680 as a debacle by someone but um 4047 03:01:33,680 --> 03:01:36,240 in my opinion and this is this is just 4048 03:01:36,240 --> 03:01:38,720 me speaking here but I like the way that 4049 03:01:38,720 --> 03:01:41,359 Woodscross has done it because 4050 03:01:41,359 --> 03:01:43,760 Woodscross hasn't burdened citizens for 4051 03:01:43,760 --> 03:01:46,720 the past 20 years not seeing any benefit 4052 03:01:46,720 --> 03:01:49,200 to then having a city hall built now 4053 03:01:49,200 --> 03:01:52,000 instead Woodscross has said no we're 4054 03:01:52,000 --> 03:01:53,840 going to 4055 03:01:53,840 --> 03:01:55,279 allow the citizens who are going to see 4056 03:01:55,279 --> 03:01:58,240 benefit from this project also fund the 4057 03:01:58,240 --> 03:02:00,399 project, right? Um because the 4058 03:02:00,399 --> 03:02:03,920 alternative is to raise taxes anyway 4059 03:02:03,920 --> 03:02:06,000 and then tell you, "Yeah, but wait 20 4060 03:02:06,000 --> 03:02:08,560 years and then we'll build a city hall." 4061 03:02:08,560 --> 03:02:10,720 And and 4062 03:02:10,720 --> 03:02:13,200 that doesn't sit well with me at all. 4063 03:02:13,200 --> 03:02:15,040 But that's the only alternative because 4064 03:02:15,040 --> 03:02:19,120 we need new facilities. we need um this 4065 03:02:19,120 --> 03:02:21,760 infrastructure is important, but the 4066 03:02:21,760 --> 03:02:23,760 city hasn't 4067 03:02:23,760 --> 03:02:25,760 done the front-end work to pay for it. 4068 03:02:25,760 --> 03:02:28,399 We don't have the money in the account. 4069 03:02:28,399 --> 03:02:32,399 And so, um and so that's where that 4070 03:02:32,399 --> 03:02:34,399 that's that's that's my thoughts on it. 4071 03:02:34,399 --> 03:02:37,600 Um I do I I'm we're part of the the 4072 03:02:37,600 --> 03:02:40,240 day-to-day process in the in the um 4073 03:02:40,240 --> 03:02:41,680 working through the designs of the 4074 03:02:41,680 --> 03:02:43,600 project and the designs of the building. 4075 03:02:43,600 --> 03:02:45,439 I really appreciate all your comments 4076 03:02:45,439 --> 03:02:47,200 and thoughts. 4077 03:02:47,200 --> 03:02:50,240 um on the on on that level as well as 4078 03:02:50,240 --> 03:02:52,160 far as well what what can we do this or 4079 03:02:52,160 --> 03:02:53,760 could we maybe look at it this way or 4080 03:02:53,760 --> 03:02:55,120 can we approach the park a little bit 4081 03:02:55,120 --> 03:02:56,880 different way. Those are all very 4082 03:02:56,880 --> 03:02:58,880 helpful as we work through this process 4083 03:02:58,880 --> 03:03:01,920 because it is our intention to be 4084 03:03:01,920 --> 03:03:03,439 responsible 4085 03:03:03,439 --> 03:03:06,160 and to make the best decision for the 4086 03:03:06,160 --> 03:03:08,560 community. Um and we're all the 4087 03:03:08,560 --> 03:03:11,200 community, right? It's not just us. It's 4088 03:03:11,200 --> 03:03:13,680 not just the people in those meetings. 4089 03:03:13,680 --> 03:03:15,439 It's all of us. And so that's why that's 4090 03:03:15,439 --> 03:03:16,960 why all these comments are so valuable 4091 03:03:16,960 --> 03:03:19,439 to to me personally as I as we work 4092 03:03:19,439 --> 03:03:23,680 through this. Um because one thing I I 4093 03:03:23,680 --> 03:03:28,080 can attest to is that our intention is 4094 03:03:28,080 --> 03:03:30,319 to make the best decision for all of us 4095 03:03:30,319 --> 03:03:36,160 as a community as a whole. Um there's no 4096 03:03:36,160 --> 03:03:37,760 um you know we don't really have 4097 03:03:37,760 --> 03:03:40,319 personal egos involved or or it's not a 4098 03:03:40,319 --> 03:03:43,279 pet project for any individual person. 4099 03:03:43,279 --> 03:03:45,359 It's really more about what's going to 4100 03:03:45,359 --> 03:03:48,319 serve citizens of Woodscross and without 4101 03:03:48,319 --> 03:03:53,439 that input from you all, we we don't we don't have that direction. So, we 4102 03:03:53,439 --> 03:03:55,520 really appreciate all the comments that 4103 03:03:55,520 --> 03:04:01,200 we got. Um, and um, I am, as as Bryce 4104 03:04:01,200 --> 03:04:03,200 had mentioned, I am hopeful that 4105 03:04:03,200 --> 03:04:06,640 whatever decision we make at this point 4106 03:04:06,640 --> 03:04:09,200 with the taxes, we'll have more clarity 4107 03:04:09,200 --> 03:04:11,120 in the future and we can look to make 4108 03:04:11,120 --> 03:04:13,279 adjustments in the future as well. And 4109 03:04:13,279 --> 03:04:16,399 so, um, so I am hopeful that that that 4110 03:04:16,399 --> 03:04:18,800 process will present itself and then 4111 03:04:18,800 --> 03:04:21,359 next year we see where things set out. 4112 03:04:21,359 --> 03:04:22,880 We have the actual numbers and we can 4113 03:04:22,880 --> 03:04:24,479 make those those adjustments at that 4114 03:04:24,479 --> 03:04:27,920 point, too. But um 4115 03:04:27,920 --> 03:04:29,600 but yeah, I I wish they would have 4116 03:04:29,600 --> 03:04:31,680 raised taxes 20 years ago because that 4117 03:04:31,680 --> 03:04:34,720 would make my job a lot easier, but they 4118 03:04:34,720 --> 03:04:36,960 didn't do that. And so we are we are 4119 03:04:36,960 --> 03:04:41,910 where we are. 4120 03:04:41,920 --> 03:04:44,399 » There's a couple 4121 03:04:44,399 --> 03:04:47,840 on Zoom. Do you want to address or do 4122 03:04:47,840 --> 03:04:49,040 you need to? 4123 03:04:49,040 --> 03:04:55,030 >> Um I don't know if we need to. Okay. I 4124 03:04:55,040 --> 03:04:55,840 Okay. 4125 03:04:55,840 --> 03:04:59,279 >> It's it was a public comment period and 4126 03:04:59,279 --> 03:05:02,880 public are allowed to make comments and 4127 03:05:02,880 --> 03:05:07,590 >> um 4128 03:05:07,600 --> 03:05:11,520 » I disagree with the comment. 4129 03:05:11,520 --> 03:05:12,960 I don't have control over what my 4130 03:05:12,960 --> 03:05:16,000 husband said. 4131 03:05:16,000 --> 03:05:17,279 >> Nor nor should we. 4132 03:05:17,279 --> 03:05:21,349 >> Yeah. Exactly. Um, 4133 03:05:21,359 --> 03:05:25,439 we're we're up here as as 4134 03:05:25,439 --> 03:05:27,600 we're each one of you. We're we're your 4135 03:05:27,600 --> 03:05:30,000 neighbors. We live in your 4136 03:05:30,000 --> 03:05:32,960 neighborhoods. We drive by and see you 4137 03:05:32,960 --> 03:05:34,720 um in your neighborhoods. We go to 4138 03:05:34,720 --> 03:05:36,399 church with you. Our kids go to school 4139 03:05:36,399 --> 03:05:38,800 with you with your kids. Maybe they 4140 03:05:38,800 --> 03:05:40,240 don't because maybe we don't all have 4141 03:05:40,240 --> 03:05:41,840 kids that anymore that line up. 4142 03:05:41,840 --> 03:05:44,720 >> Maybe they come to my classroom. But um 4143 03:05:44,720 --> 03:05:48,560 we're we're it what what we do applies 4144 03:05:48,560 --> 03:05:51,359 to you and applies to us the same way. 4145 03:05:51,359 --> 03:05:54,319 Um I've been 4146 03:05:54,319 --> 03:05:58,000 um sitting up here in these seats for a 4147 03:05:58,000 --> 03:06:00,560 while. Um some would maybe say too long 4148 03:06:00,560 --> 03:06:03,520 and maybe that's true. Um years ago I 4149 03:06:03,520 --> 03:06:06,479 got involved because I 4150 03:06:06,479 --> 03:06:09,120 um wanted to make a difference. I felt 4151 03:06:09,120 --> 03:06:10,160 like there were some things in 4152 03:06:10,160 --> 03:06:13,200 Woodscross that um needed to be improved 4153 03:06:13,200 --> 03:06:16,640 and so I got in involved and got asked 4154 03:06:16,640 --> 03:06:18,240 to be on the planning commission and I 4155 03:06:18,240 --> 03:06:20,479 did that for a while and then I ran for 4156 03:06:20,479 --> 03:06:22,720 city council. Um I was on city council 4157 03:06:22,720 --> 03:06:25,520 for 12 years and for most if not all of 4158 03:06:25,520 --> 03:06:28,000 those 12 years we've had discussion 4159 03:06:28,000 --> 03:06:30,000 about needing to do something with city 4160 03:06:30,000 --> 03:06:34,080 hall. Um there's it's it's an aging 4161 03:06:34,080 --> 03:06:36,479 property that is having more and more 4162 03:06:36,479 --> 03:06:38,479 issues. It's costing more and more each 4163 03:06:38,479 --> 03:06:41,600 year for upkeep, um, for maintenance, 4164 03:06:41,600 --> 03:06:45,040 for repairs, and it's it's found us 4165 03:06:45,040 --> 03:06:47,520 where we're at. In those years, 12 on 4166 03:06:47,520 --> 03:06:50,560 city council and four as the mayor. Um, 4167 03:06:50,560 --> 03:06:53,439 I've been involved in each of those tax 4168 03:06:53,439 --> 03:06:55,120 increases in one way or another. I've 4169 03:06:55,120 --> 03:06:56,880 been sitting up here in one of these 4170 03:06:56,880 --> 03:07:00,960 seats. Um, some of them I have supported 4171 03:07:00,960 --> 03:07:03,760 wholeheartedly because it was time and 4172 03:07:03,760 --> 03:07:06,160 we needed to do it. Um the very first 4173 03:07:06,160 --> 03:07:08,720 time that it happened and I was up here 4174 03:07:08,720 --> 03:07:10,720 and we raised one after not having 4175 03:07:10,720 --> 03:07:13,840 raised it for 25 years. Um I scolded the 4176 03:07:13,840 --> 03:07:15,600 city council that had been here and I 4177 03:07:15,600 --> 03:07:18,399 said this should have happened sooner 4178 03:07:18,399 --> 03:07:20,479 because it put us in a really difficult 4179 03:07:20,479 --> 03:07:25,040 position at that point. Um I've also 4180 03:07:25,040 --> 03:07:28,560 been hesitant to raise taxes. 4181 03:07:28,560 --> 03:07:31,760 these folks can tell you that I've um 4182 03:07:31,760 --> 03:07:34,880 sometimes been the voice that says um we 4183 03:07:34,880 --> 03:07:37,200 probably shouldn't raise it this year or 4184 03:07:37,200 --> 03:07:41,120 I've advocated for a lesser amount. Um 4185 03:07:41,120 --> 03:07:44,479 I'm pretty conservative by nature. Um 4186 03:07:44,479 --> 03:07:46,960 but I can see that the longer we put 4187 03:07:46,960 --> 03:07:49,279 this off, the more expensive and 4188 03:07:49,279 --> 03:07:53,200 detrimental it will be to the city. And 4189 03:07:53,200 --> 03:07:57,600 I I feel for those that um that things 4190 03:07:57,600 --> 03:08:00,960 are tight. I have been there. I lived 4191 03:08:00,960 --> 03:08:04,720 there for a lot of years. And um and I 4192 03:08:04,720 --> 03:08:06,640 know what it's like to have your budget 4193 03:08:06,640 --> 03:08:08,479 be really tight. I know what it's like 4194 03:08:08,479 --> 03:08:11,279 to be paycheck to paycheck. And to have 4195 03:08:11,279 --> 03:08:14,479 to make decisions of should I pay this 4196 03:08:14,479 --> 03:08:16,560 or should I pay this because I can't pay 4197 03:08:16,560 --> 03:08:19,359 both. And I know what that feels like. 4198 03:08:19,359 --> 03:08:24,880 So that a lot of times helps guide the 4199 03:08:24,880 --> 03:08:28,479 way that I approach these things. 4200 03:08:28,479 --> 03:08:33,520 Um it is a large increase and 4201 03:08:33,520 --> 03:08:35,840 it's 4202 03:08:35,840 --> 03:08:37,359 um 4203 03:08:37,359 --> 03:08:40,800 and I know that it's it's hard for some. 4204 03:08:40,800 --> 03:08:43,680 My my recommendation and and I I don't 4205 03:08:43,680 --> 03:08:46,479 get to vote unless there's a tie. It's 4206 03:08:46,479 --> 03:08:49,600 just the nature of being the mayor. Um, 4207 03:08:49,600 --> 03:08:52,720 my recommendation would be to to press 4208 03:08:52,720 --> 03:08:55,520 forward at this time with city hall and 4209 03:08:55,520 --> 03:08:58,000 with the park. I think it makes sense to 4210 03:08:58,000 --> 03:09:03,120 do them together. Um, if we do city hall 4211 03:09:03,120 --> 03:09:05,359 and if we do it on this same property 4212 03:09:05,359 --> 03:09:07,600 where we're at, we have to move out of 4213 03:09:07,600 --> 03:09:10,880 this property and lease space somewhere 4214 03:09:10,880 --> 03:09:14,319 for um, a period of time and that adds 4215 03:09:14,319 --> 03:09:18,560 cost. Um, if we remodel 4216 03:09:18,560 --> 03:09:20,720 this city hall, I watched what happened 4217 03:09:20,720 --> 03:09:23,840 with Bountiful and they spent more money 4218 03:09:23,840 --> 03:09:26,640 to remodel an existing building and make 4219 03:09:26,640 --> 03:09:30,479 it seismically safe than they would have 4220 03:09:30,479 --> 03:09:33,600 to build a larger city hall from 4221 03:09:33,600 --> 03:09:37,439 scratch. They were still constrained 4222 03:09:37,439 --> 03:09:39,600 with the limits of the building. They 4223 03:09:39,600 --> 03:09:41,600 didn't change the footprint. They 4224 03:09:41,600 --> 03:09:44,479 weren't able to design it to the needs 4225 03:09:44,479 --> 03:09:47,200 that they had. They lived within what 4226 03:09:47,200 --> 03:09:48,880 was there. They moved some walls and 4227 03:09:48,880 --> 03:09:50,880 they did some things, but it wasn't the 4228 03:09:50,880 --> 03:09:52,800 ideal design for what they needed 4229 03:09:52,800 --> 03:09:54,640 because they had constraints of the 4230 03:09:54,640 --> 03:09:56,399 building. 4231 03:09:56,399 --> 03:09:59,520 If we remodel this, make it seismically 4232 03:09:59,520 --> 03:10:02,080 sound, um, do all those things, it's 4233 03:10:02,080 --> 03:10:04,319 still the same size. We still have those 4234 03:10:04,319 --> 03:10:08,240 same constraints. we still have things 4235 03:10:08,240 --> 03:10:11,520 that will continue to be issues for 4236 03:10:11,520 --> 03:10:14,319 years because we haven't solved the root 4237 03:10:14,319 --> 03:10:19,200 of the problem. And for that um 4238 03:10:19,200 --> 03:10:21,359 that's that's why I would be supportive 4239 03:10:21,359 --> 03:10:26,319 of it. And um I think as we continue on 4240 03:10:26,319 --> 03:10:29,200 and and I've been involved through all 4241 03:10:29,200 --> 03:10:33,600 of the design process um we are trying 4242 03:10:33,600 --> 03:10:36,720 our best to minimize the the total cost 4243 03:10:36,720 --> 03:10:40,080 of the project but still make it viable 4244 03:10:40,080 --> 03:10:43,920 for hopefully the next 50 years. And 4245 03:10:43,920 --> 03:10:46,080 like Wall-E said, I was going to written 4246 03:10:46,080 --> 03:10:49,040 down a note from what Spencer said, and 4247 03:10:49,040 --> 03:10:50,880 I just had written, "Previous residents 4248 03:10:50,880 --> 03:10:53,680 looked ahead to the future and paid more 4249 03:10:53,680 --> 03:10:55,520 for the betterment of the community to 4250 03:10:55,520 --> 03:10:57,359 make it so that we could enjoy what we 4251 03:10:57,359 --> 03:11:01,120 have now." And I think 4252 03:11:01,120 --> 03:11:04,399 that's why we're we're here is people 4253 03:11:04,399 --> 03:11:07,359 have put us in place to try to make 4254 03:11:07,359 --> 03:11:11,520 Woodscross better for the future. And 4255 03:11:11,520 --> 03:11:14,479 anyway, those are my those are my 4256 03:11:14,479 --> 03:11:16,399 thoughts. 4257 03:11:16,399 --> 03:11:18,319 Do we need more discussion? Are we ready 4258 03:11:18,319 --> 03:11:21,439 to make a decision tonight or do we want 4259 03:11:21,439 --> 03:11:25,359 to sleep on it and think about it for a 4260 03:11:25,359 --> 03:11:27,040 couple of weeks and come back in two 4261 03:11:27,040 --> 03:11:29,120 weeks and make a decision in two weeks? 4262 03:11:29,120 --> 03:11:30,000 What are your thoughts? 4263 03:11:30,000 --> 03:11:32,080 >> I' I've got a question short for Bryce. 4264 03:11:32,080 --> 03:11:35,279 do you feel like 4265 03:11:35,279 --> 03:11:37,600 um we would have any more clarity in two 4266 03:11:37,600 --> 03:11:39,200 weeks than we do today on construction 4267 03:11:39,200 --> 03:11:41,279 of costs for the project? 4268 03:11:41,279 --> 03:11:44,240 >> I don't. No, I in two weeks. And Eric, 4269 03:11:44,240 --> 03:11:45,279 you probably know this better than 4270 03:11:45,279 --> 03:11:47,120 anybody. You know, if we're progressing 4271 03:11:47,120 --> 03:11:48,880 on this project, we're trying to tighten 4272 03:11:48,880 --> 03:11:50,720 things up. We're not at a point of 4273 03:11:50,720 --> 03:11:52,960 having firm plans. We we have months of 4274 03:11:52,960 --> 03:11:55,600 that. My biggest fear is is that by 4275 03:11:55,600 --> 03:11:58,479 delaying this, we're not telling the 4276 03:11:58,479 --> 03:12:00,399 contractor. We're not telling the 4277 03:12:00,399 --> 03:12:02,560 architect. we're not telling others that 4278 03:12:02,560 --> 03:12:04,960 we are moving forward with this and 4279 03:12:04,960 --> 03:12:07,760 those days are ticking away. I would 4280 03:12:07,760 --> 03:12:09,120 hate to see us pay another million and a 4281 03:12:09,120 --> 03:12:10,960 half dollars because we couldn't meet 4282 03:12:10,960 --> 03:12:13,120 this timeline. In fact, we're having 4283 03:12:13,120 --> 03:12:14,640 another meeting on Thursday night for 4284 03:12:14,640 --> 03:12:16,640 the very reason that we've got to nail 4285 03:12:16,640 --> 03:12:19,680 down some big questions to keep this 4286 03:12:19,680 --> 03:12:21,760 going. So, 4287 03:12:21,760 --> 03:12:24,080 if I thought waiting would be a benefit, 4288 03:12:24,080 --> 03:12:26,880 I would tell you 4289 03:12:26,880 --> 03:12:29,680 I can't see it. It would it hurt if we 4290 03:12:29,680 --> 03:12:33,359 wait until after Thursday though cuz 4291 03:12:33,359 --> 03:12:35,600 which is a public meeting. It's a work 4292 03:12:35,600 --> 03:12:36,160 session. 4293 03:12:36,160 --> 03:12:40,240 >> Um so if on Thursday you chose to tell 4294 03:12:40,240 --> 03:12:42,160 the public tonight that your next date 4295 03:12:42,160 --> 03:12:44,160 and time to do that. Yes. You will have 4296 03:12:44,160 --> 03:12:45,520 a public meeting. We would have to 4297 03:12:45,520 --> 03:12:47,920 notice it tomorrow 4298 03:12:47,920 --> 03:12:49,920 before 4299 03:12:49,920 --> 03:12:52,080 4:00 p.m. 4300 03:12:52,080 --> 03:12:54,080 >> Yes. That's cutting it. 4301 03:12:54,080 --> 03:12:55,920 >> That's about as high as we can get it. 4302 03:12:55,920 --> 03:12:59,760 Well, I mean, if we meet on Thursday, is 4303 03:12:59,760 --> 03:13:04,080 it detrimental if we wait until our for 4304 03:13:04,080 --> 03:13:06,960 till our next council meeting? 4305 03:13:06,960 --> 03:13:08,880 >> Um, the 18th of August. 4306 03:13:08,880 --> 03:13:11,200 >> Yeah. So, to have the decision made the 4307 03:13:11,200 --> 03:13:13,840 18th of August, but use Thursday's 4308 03:13:13,840 --> 03:13:16,560 meeting to kind of finish um 4309 03:13:16,560 --> 03:13:18,000 >> processing. 4310 03:13:18,000 --> 03:13:19,439 >> Thursday will definitely help to get 4311 03:13:19,439 --> 03:13:21,439 these answers in place. No question 4312 03:13:21,439 --> 03:13:23,279 about it. 4313 03:13:23,279 --> 03:13:26,080 I would intend that the architect and 4314 03:13:26,080 --> 03:13:27,680 contract will continue to work in good 4315 03:13:27,680 --> 03:13:29,920 faith that we're moving forward. But you 4316 03:13:29,920 --> 03:13:31,120 got to remember, and I don't think 4317 03:13:31,120 --> 03:13:33,600 they're not working, but if they know 4318 03:13:33,600 --> 03:13:35,520 they've got bonding and stuff in place 4319 03:13:35,520 --> 03:13:37,520 that we're moving forward with this, it 4320 03:13:37,520 --> 03:13:39,359 sends a different message than well, 4321 03:13:39,359 --> 03:13:42,239 give us another two weeks. So, you tell 4322 03:13:42,239 --> 03:13:46,229 me if you were in their shoes. 4323 03:13:46,239 --> 03:13:49,680 I would not recommend it. 4324 03:13:49,680 --> 03:13:50,720 I think 4325 03:13:50,720 --> 03:13:53,920 >> Yeah. I I I think that Thursday we may 4326 03:13:53,920 --> 03:13:55,279 have a better understanding of the 4327 03:13:55,279 --> 03:13:56,160 project. 4328 03:13:56,160 --> 03:13:57,600 >> I don't think we will have any different 4329 03:13:57,600 --> 03:13:59,120 understanding of the finances. 4330 03:13:59,120 --> 03:14:00,720 >> No. 4331 03:14:00,720 --> 03:14:02,640 >> But then I think I might be able to make 4332 03:14:02,640 --> 03:14:04,160 a 4333 03:14:04,160 --> 03:14:06,560 >> more educated 4334 03:14:06,560 --> 03:14:08,319 >> decision 4335 03:14:08,319 --> 03:14:12,640 that just yes more time to process and 4336 03:14:12,640 --> 03:14:15,840 make make understanding for my 4337 03:14:15,840 --> 03:14:18,640 kindergarten brain. 4338 03:14:18,640 --> 03:14:23,600 >> Can I ask a question? Would you be of a 4339 03:14:23,600 --> 03:14:26,399 mindset that meeting on Thursday and 4340 03:14:26,399 --> 03:14:28,080 getting some of these bigger questions 4341 03:14:28,080 --> 03:14:30,560 firmed up would give you enough 4342 03:14:30,560 --> 03:14:32,080 information to make a decision at the 4343 03:14:32,080 --> 03:14:35,200 end of that meeting to set the tax rate 4344 03:14:35,200 --> 03:14:38,950 >> and approve the budget. 4345 03:14:38,960 --> 03:14:40,800 Two days is a lot different than two 4346 03:14:40,800 --> 03:14:41,279 weeks. 4347 03:14:41,279 --> 03:14:42,800 >> Two days is a lot different than two 4348 03:14:42,800 --> 03:14:45,040 weeks. I would also say that I don't 4349 03:14:45,040 --> 03:14:46,399 know that there's anything that we're 4350 03:14:46,399 --> 03:14:49,120 going to talk about 4351 03:14:49,120 --> 03:14:50,800 Thursday that's going to have this 4352 03:14:50,800 --> 03:14:54,080 monumental saving millions of dollars. 4353 03:14:54,080 --> 03:14:56,080 >> Well, 4354 03:14:56,080 --> 03:14:59,840 my my what I've hearing from people is 4355 03:14:59,840 --> 03:15:01,520 they don't feel there's a need for the 4356 03:15:01,520 --> 03:15:03,680 park to be redone 4357 03:15:03,680 --> 03:15:05,040 >> with all of the amenities. 4358 03:15:05,040 --> 03:15:10,399 >> Yeah. So perhaps in on Thursday when we 4359 03:15:10,399 --> 03:15:14,000 have a work session, we could look at if 4360 03:15:14,000 --> 03:15:16,160 we don't do all those amenities, how 4361 03:15:16,160 --> 03:15:19,120 much is that going to save? 4362 03:15:19,120 --> 03:15:22,080 >> Yes. My challenge with that is and we 4363 03:15:22,080 --> 03:15:25,279 could invite Hogan to be there. 4364 03:15:25,279 --> 03:15:28,239 But again, as I showed you earlier, I'll 4365 03:15:28,239 --> 03:15:29,840 make that document available. They've 4366 03:15:29,840 --> 03:15:32,080 got some big numbers. If you suddenly 4367 03:15:32,080 --> 03:15:33,600 said, "We don't want the water feature, 4368 03:15:33,600 --> 03:15:35,040 we don't want this, or we don't want 4369 03:15:35,040 --> 03:15:37,040 that." We're just kind of crossing out 4370 03:15:37,040 --> 03:15:38,880 big numbers, and we don't know how 4371 03:15:38,880 --> 03:15:41,359 that's going to exactly translate. 4372 03:15:41,359 --> 03:15:42,880 So, 4373 03:15:42,880 --> 03:15:44,960 it's not as precise as sitting in a car 4374 03:15:44,960 --> 03:15:46,720 data and saying, "Well, take off the 4375 03:15:46,720 --> 03:15:48,560 chrome trim and take off this, and you 4376 03:15:48,560 --> 03:15:51,359 can see an exact dollar amount." I mean, 4377 03:15:51,359 --> 03:15:53,439 Eric, you've done this enough times as 4378 03:15:53,439 --> 03:15:56,800 an architect. Would you dare 4379 03:15:56,800 --> 03:15:59,920 make those kind of commitments 4380 03:15:59,920 --> 03:16:01,439 that early? 4381 03:16:01,439 --> 03:16:03,120 And then that's where I say I I don't 4382 03:16:03,120 --> 03:16:04,479 know that any discussion we have on 4383 03:16:04,479 --> 03:16:06,960 Thursday in my opinion would 4384 03:16:06,960 --> 03:16:09,359 dramatically impact the finances of the 4385 03:16:09,359 --> 03:16:12,479 project. Now we can make decisions 4386 03:16:12,479 --> 03:16:14,160 moving forward that will impact the 4387 03:16:14,160 --> 03:16:16,560 finances of the project. 4388 03:16:16,560 --> 03:16:18,960 >> But I don't I don't know that I would be 4389 03:16:18,960 --> 03:16:20,720 comfortable in coming and saying no we 4390 03:16:20,720 --> 03:16:23,040 don't want to do 47%. We want to do 25% 4391 03:16:23,040 --> 03:16:25,600 because we're doing X and Y in the park 4392 03:16:25,600 --> 03:16:29,600 at this point. I don't want to tie our 4393 03:16:29,600 --> 03:16:33,680 hands and and and restrict us. I'd 4394 03:16:33,680 --> 03:16:36,239 rather make sure we can do what needs to 4395 03:16:36,239 --> 03:16:38,399 be done and then when we have 4396 03:16:38,399 --> 03:16:40,000 opportunity and know what those numbers 4397 03:16:40,000 --> 03:16:42,399 are next year say, "Okay, nope. It 4398 03:16:42,399 --> 03:16:45,600 really is x amount." And we adjust. 4399 03:16:45,600 --> 03:16:49,279 So maybe another way of saying that is 4400 03:16:49,279 --> 03:16:51,200 I don't think there's any way that if 4401 03:16:51,200 --> 03:16:53,760 you want to go for this project 4402 03:16:53,760 --> 03:16:57,520 that I would dare counsel you to do a 4403 03:16:57,520 --> 03:17:02,640 lower tax increase. However, in the next 4404 03:17:02,640 --> 03:17:04,720 3 months if we can get some better 4405 03:17:04,720 --> 03:17:06,239 numbers that we can say guess what we're 4406 03:17:06,239 --> 03:17:08,080 not going to spend 33 million we're 4407 03:17:08,080 --> 03:17:10,800 going to spend 30 million or 28 million. 4408 03:17:10,800 --> 03:17:13,840 Therefore, next year we can say 4409 03:17:13,840 --> 03:17:16,160 taxpayers, thank you for entrusting us 4410 03:17:16,160 --> 03:17:17,680 to make this decision with the best 4411 03:17:17,680 --> 03:17:19,600 information we have today. Now that 4412 03:17:19,600 --> 03:17:21,200 we've secured the financing and the 4413 03:17:21,200 --> 03:17:22,800 bonding and we know what we have in the 4414 03:17:22,800 --> 03:17:25,359 savings, we know what we need. 4415 03:17:25,359 --> 03:17:27,439 Therefore, we can lower that tax rate 4416 03:17:27,439 --> 03:17:30,960 next year if we don't need that money. 4417 03:17:30,960 --> 03:17:32,960 But I don't think there's any way that I 4418 03:17:32,960 --> 03:17:35,920 would counsel you to go for a lower tax 4419 03:17:35,920 --> 03:17:39,920 rate with the the large picture things 4420 03:17:39,920 --> 03:17:42,720 that we're still talking about. 4421 03:17:42,720 --> 03:17:43,520 >> Way of explaining it. 4422 03:17:43,520 --> 03:17:44,720 >> Better state than I did. But yeah, 4423 03:17:44,720 --> 03:17:45,680 that's what I was saying. 4424 03:17:45,680 --> 03:17:48,399 >> And and Bryce, if I'm correct, to Zans's 4425 03:17:48,399 --> 03:17:51,760 Bank, if we don't have the the money set 4426 03:17:51,760 --> 03:17:54,560 up and the financing where we're going 4427 03:17:54,560 --> 03:17:56,560 to be able to actually bond for that 4428 03:17:56,560 --> 03:17:58,560 money, they they won't even set the bond 4429 03:17:58,560 --> 03:17:58,960 for it. 4430 03:17:58,960 --> 03:18:00,720 >> No. If we don't have a tax rate set, it 4431 03:18:00,720 --> 03:18:02,319 doesn't matter if you want to borrow 15 4432 03:18:02,319 --> 03:18:04,080 million, 20 million or 25. 4433 03:18:04,080 --> 03:18:04,479 >> Yeah. 4434 03:18:04,479 --> 03:18:06,640 >> They're going to look at you and say 4435 03:18:06,640 --> 03:18:08,239 >> 25%. Right? 4436 03:18:08,239 --> 03:18:09,760 >> If we are not able to show that we 4437 03:18:09,760 --> 03:18:12,960 needed 30% or 35% then doesn't matter. 4438 03:18:12,960 --> 03:18:14,319 >> Then it doesn't matter. We would we 4439 03:18:14,319 --> 03:18:15,200 wouldn't get the bond. 4440 03:18:15,200 --> 03:18:19,349 >> Yeah. 4441 03:18:19,359 --> 03:18:22,720 » We do have a list of rough costs from 4442 03:18:22,720 --> 03:18:24,000 Hogan. 4443 03:18:24,000 --> 03:18:24,399 >> Yeah. 4444 03:18:24,399 --> 03:18:26,239 >> Yes. Yes. 4445 03:18:26,239 --> 03:18:28,640 So on Thursday, we could review what the 4446 03:18:28,640 --> 03:18:31,279 rough costs would be 4447 03:18:31,279 --> 03:18:34,160 of eliminating 4448 03:18:34,160 --> 03:18:38,319 parts of the park, whether we do them 4449 03:18:38,319 --> 03:18:41,920 down the road. Like my point is is 4450 03:18:41,920 --> 03:18:45,439 if we're just going to do 46% because we 4451 03:18:45,439 --> 03:18:47,200 want a building, but we're not going to 4452 03:18:47,200 --> 03:18:50,080 do a park, why are we just doing 46%? 4453 03:18:50,080 --> 03:18:52,399 Why? If we're just going to focus on 4454 03:18:52,399 --> 03:18:54,399 doing a building 4455 03:18:54,399 --> 03:18:56,319 first, 4456 03:18:56,319 --> 03:18:59,830 why are we 4457 03:18:59,840 --> 03:19:02,960 looking at taxing for money that I mean, 4458 03:19:02,960 --> 03:19:06,239 yeah, it's nice to say, okay, we we may 4459 03:19:06,239 --> 03:19:09,840 not use it, but if we if the majority of 4460 03:19:09,840 --> 03:19:12,720 the residents don't want 4461 03:19:12,720 --> 03:19:15,760 Hogan Park redone, 4462 03:19:15,760 --> 03:19:17,760 that's going to save us half of the 4463 03:19:17,760 --> 03:19:20,080 cost. we don't have to bond that much 4464 03:19:20,080 --> 03:19:21,760 because 4465 03:19:21,760 --> 03:19:24,800 depending on what features are cut, 4466 03:19:24,800 --> 03:19:28,000 that money is not money we have to bond. 4467 03:19:28,000 --> 03:19:29,840 >> So that means our percentage doesn't 4468 03:19:29,840 --> 03:19:33,920 have to be 46%, it could be lower. And 4469 03:19:33,920 --> 03:19:36,479 so I think we need to look at the 4470 03:19:36,479 --> 03:19:40,160 itemized list by Hogan and really try to 4471 03:19:40,160 --> 03:19:43,040 figure out here's the, you know, it's 4472 03:19:43,040 --> 03:19:44,720 not the exact because we don't have 4473 03:19:44,720 --> 03:19:46,800 exact numbers, but here's the ballpark 4474 03:19:46,800 --> 03:19:48,640 of the building and here's the ballpark 4475 03:19:48,640 --> 03:19:52,880 of the park at this phase or this phase 4476 03:19:52,880 --> 03:19:54,479 or all of it. Mhm. 4477 03:19:54,479 --> 03:19:57,439 >> And then we can make a better decision 4478 03:19:57,439 --> 03:20:01,120 on what percentage we actually 4479 03:20:01,120 --> 03:20:03,600 really need to approve tonight or not 4480 03:20:03,600 --> 03:20:07,840 tonight, but for this year 4481 03:20:07,840 --> 03:20:09,680 versus yeah, we're just going to build 4482 03:20:09,680 --> 03:20:11,359 it all. And 4483 03:20:11,359 --> 03:20:14,640 >> so I I see what you're saying. 4484 03:20:14,640 --> 03:20:18,000 >> Mhm. Personally, I think that 4485 03:20:18,000 --> 03:20:20,800 um I wouldn't be comfortable in cutting 4486 03:20:20,800 --> 03:20:25,680 that amount with two days or two weeks 4487 03:20:25,680 --> 03:20:27,279 thought 4488 03:20:27,279 --> 03:20:29,200 when so much has gone into the decisions 4489 03:20:29,200 --> 03:20:30,720 that they made at this point. I'm not 4490 03:20:30,720 --> 03:20:34,000 saying that we don't cut the park 4491 03:20:34,000 --> 03:20:36,160 ultimately, but I don't think that's a 4492 03:20:36,160 --> 03:20:37,920 decision that I'm comfortable in making 4493 03:20:37,920 --> 03:20:41,680 so quickly. And so I don't want to 4494 03:20:41,680 --> 03:20:43,760 require that 4495 03:20:43,760 --> 03:20:45,760 by the decisions we make in the next two 4496 03:20:45,760 --> 03:20:47,600 weeks 4497 03:20:47,600 --> 03:20:49,920 and then in a two months we say oh you 4498 03:20:49,920 --> 03:20:52,080 know what actually it is a better idea 4499 03:20:52,080 --> 03:20:55,520 but then we can't do it. I'd much rather 4500 03:20:55,520 --> 03:20:57,920 like Bryce had mentioned if in two 4501 03:20:57,920 --> 03:21:00,080 months we say we're not doing the park, 4502 03:21:00,080 --> 03:21:02,479 that's great, right? We don't bond for 4503 03:21:02,479 --> 03:21:04,560 that much and then next year we come 4504 03:21:04,560 --> 03:21:06,560 back and say, you know what? Yep. We're 4505 03:21:06,560 --> 03:21:08,239 adjusting our tax rate. We're lowering 4506 03:21:08,239 --> 03:21:09,760 it because we didn't need that money 4507 03:21:09,760 --> 03:21:11,680 because we decided not to do the park. 4508 03:21:11,680 --> 03:21:13,680 That's great, but I don't want to tie 4509 03:21:13,680 --> 03:21:18,399 our hands and say, "Nope, this is Yeah, 4510 03:21:18,399 --> 03:21:20,560 I I'm not comfortable doing that in such 4511 03:21:20,560 --> 03:21:23,600 a short period of time." 4512 03:21:23,600 --> 03:21:27,920 if if I could just share. Well, and can 4513 03:21:27,920 --> 03:21:31,279 I still share my screen? Let me see if I 4514 03:21:31,279 --> 03:21:33,600 can 4515 03:21:33,600 --> 03:21:35,680 Where's my Zoom at? I got so many things 4516 03:21:35,680 --> 03:21:40,239 open here. I'm lost. 4517 03:21:40,239 --> 03:21:44,000 Um, let me go here. Um, let's go back to 4518 03:21:44,000 --> 03:21:47,510 the Hogan 4519 03:21:47,520 --> 03:21:50,479 project list 4520 03:21:50,479 --> 03:21:52,160 because I hear what you're saying, 4521 03:21:52,160 --> 03:21:54,319 Julie, that look, we may just decide to 4522 03:21:54,319 --> 03:21:55,760 take certain things off the table, and 4523 03:21:55,760 --> 03:21:58,800 that's absolutely correct. However, the 4524 03:21:58,800 --> 03:22:01,439 uh exterior improvements right here, 4525 03:22:01,439 --> 03:22:03,040 5,264, 4526 03:22:03,040 --> 03:22:05,040 without knowing from Brian Taylor what 4527 03:22:05,040 --> 03:22:07,439 is in that, would that be like not doing 4528 03:22:07,439 --> 03:22:09,120 the trees? Would that be like not doing 4529 03:22:09,120 --> 03:22:12,319 the water feature? So, I I would just 4530 03:22:12,319 --> 03:22:14,399 need to get more information, and I'm 4531 03:22:14,399 --> 03:22:16,479 certainly happy over the next 24 hours 4532 03:22:16,479 --> 03:22:19,279 to do that so that I could come to the 4533 03:22:19,279 --> 03:22:20,720 meeting on Thursday with more 4534 03:22:20,720 --> 03:22:22,640 information, 4535 03:22:22,640 --> 03:22:23,920 but I would hate to have that 4536 03:22:23,920 --> 03:22:26,239 expectation today because if you think 4537 03:22:26,239 --> 03:22:27,920 about it, if we're committed on the 4538 03:22:27,920 --> 03:22:30,319 location of the building, well, the 4539 03:22:30,319 --> 03:22:32,080 pickle ball court's going to go, so 4540 03:22:32,080 --> 03:22:33,439 we've got to build a pickle ball court. 4541 03:22:33,439 --> 03:22:35,600 Well, how much is that? Um, we don't 4542 03:22:35,600 --> 03:22:37,120 have to build a water feature. We could 4543 03:22:37,120 --> 03:22:38,640 do that in the future, but we are going 4544 03:22:38,640 --> 03:22:40,080 to have to put in electrical, plumbing, 4545 03:22:40,080 --> 03:22:42,000 and some things so that it's there and 4546 03:22:42,000 --> 03:22:45,760 we're not tearing up half of a site. So, 4547 03:22:45,760 --> 03:22:48,640 that's where I'm being very careful to 4548 03:22:48,640 --> 03:22:50,880 caution you that it's not just as easy 4549 03:22:50,880 --> 03:22:54,160 as just scratch this, scratch that, not 4550 03:22:54,160 --> 03:22:55,840 knowing the implications of what else 4551 03:22:55,840 --> 03:22:57,680 would have to be done. And then, you 4552 03:22:57,680 --> 03:23:00,239 know, even tearing a park up, we don't 4553 03:23:00,239 --> 03:23:02,160 get to just say, "Well, we only cut it, 4554 03:23:02,160 --> 03:23:03,520 you know, the line right down the middle 4555 03:23:03,520 --> 03:23:04,880 right here, and this part we're not even 4556 03:23:04,880 --> 03:23:06,319 going to touch because there would still 4557 03:23:06,319 --> 03:23:12,080 be utilities or things." That's why I'm saying we don't have to build it 4558 03:23:12,080 --> 03:23:14,399 all. I just can't tell you what we 4559 03:23:14,399 --> 03:23:16,160 wouldn't have to build if you said 4560 03:23:16,160 --> 03:23:20,720 scratch these five items. So, 4561 03:23:20,720 --> 03:23:23,120 >> it would be interesting to have that 4562 03:23:23,120 --> 03:23:25,439 vision of the whole if you give a mouse 4563 03:23:25,439 --> 03:23:27,600 a cookie and all the dominoes that fall 4564 03:23:27,600 --> 03:23:28,319 because of it. 4565 03:23:28,319 --> 03:23:30,319 >> Happy to get Brian on the phone tomorrow 4566 03:23:30,319 --> 03:23:32,720 and just say be prepared to come help us 4567 03:23:32,720 --> 03:23:34,399 and maybe he can even come to the me 4568 03:23:34,399 --> 03:23:37,600 meeting. Um, 4569 03:23:37,600 --> 03:23:39,760 and if it end up cutting one or two 4570 03:23:39,760 --> 03:23:43,040 million dollars off, okay, so you know, 4571 03:23:43,040 --> 03:23:46,319 we can maybe lower that from 25 to 22. 4572 03:23:46,319 --> 03:23:47,600 But the other thing that I don't have 4573 03:23:47,600 --> 03:23:50,880 is, you know, I can ask um Mark 4574 03:23:50,880 --> 03:23:53,120 Anderson, how quickly could you prepare 4575 03:23:53,120 --> 03:23:56,960 us new updates on the bonding? Maybe 4576 03:23:56,960 --> 03:23:58,239 they could have something done by 4577 03:23:58,239 --> 03:24:00,160 Thursday. 4578 03:24:00,160 --> 03:24:02,960 My biggest fear is if we can't be 4579 03:24:02,960 --> 03:24:05,279 prepared to tell the public and these 4580 03:24:05,279 --> 03:24:06,960 institutions that are working with us 4581 03:24:06,960 --> 03:24:08,640 that yes, we're committed and going 4582 03:24:08,640 --> 03:24:11,120 forward, 4583 03:24:11,120 --> 03:24:12,800 do we just have the full faith and buy 4584 03:24:12,800 --> 03:24:15,439 in on them? And maybe we do, maybe we 4585 03:24:15,439 --> 03:24:18,000 don't. But we're burning daylight is 4586 03:24:18,000 --> 03:24:30,469 probably the best way I can say it. 4587 03:24:30,479 --> 03:24:34,880 So where you at? Couple move forward. 4588 03:24:34,880 --> 03:24:37,600 I say move forward. 4589 03:24:37,600 --> 03:24:42,950 I'm comfortable moving forward. 4590 03:24:42,960 --> 03:24:46,560 more information but 4591 03:24:46,560 --> 03:24:47,200 still 4592 03:24:47,200 --> 03:24:49,200 >> I share personal experience with you if 4593 03:24:49,200 --> 03:24:50,080 this helps. 4594 03:24:50,080 --> 03:24:50,800 >> Sure. 4595 03:24:50,800 --> 03:24:52,560 >> I've built three homes with my wife. 4596 03:24:52,560 --> 03:24:54,160 They tell you if a marriage can survive 4597 03:24:54,160 --> 03:24:56,720 one new home, you've done amazing 4598 03:24:56,720 --> 03:24:58,800 things. My wife is and like we didn't 4599 03:24:58,800 --> 03:25:00,640 just hire somebody to do it. We were the 4600 03:25:00,640 --> 03:25:04,000 general contractors. Um 4601 03:25:04,000 --> 03:25:06,239 we always bid high. We always estimated 4602 03:25:06,239 --> 03:25:08,160 high and said this is how much we're 4603 03:25:08,160 --> 03:25:10,080 going to have to be prepared to spend. 4604 03:25:10,080 --> 03:25:12,319 And then we just work like crazy not to 4605 03:25:12,319 --> 03:25:14,399 spend that money. In the end, when we 4606 03:25:14,399 --> 03:25:15,760 went to borrow the money, we always 4607 03:25:15,760 --> 03:25:17,279 borrowed less than what we committed to 4608 03:25:17,279 --> 03:25:19,520 the bank. But I had to be able to show 4609 03:25:19,520 --> 03:25:21,520 that we had the income to support the 4610 03:25:21,520 --> 03:25:24,160 higher loan. I'm taking that very same 4611 03:25:24,160 --> 03:25:27,200 mentality into this project right now. 4612 03:25:27,200 --> 03:25:29,680 We have to tell high, but we will work 4613 03:25:29,680 --> 03:25:33,920 like crazy to come in 4614 03:25:33,920 --> 03:25:36,399 as tight as we can. Now, that's going to 4615 03:25:36,399 --> 03:25:38,560 also result in you making some decisions 4616 03:25:38,560 --> 03:25:40,560 like how fancy is the woodwork going to 4617 03:25:40,560 --> 03:25:42,560 be and how nice of a water feature do we 4618 03:25:42,560 --> 03:25:43,920 want or maybe we scratch the water 4619 03:25:43,920 --> 03:25:45,680 feature. 4620 03:25:45,680 --> 03:25:47,760 What I'm telling you today is I think 4621 03:25:47,760 --> 03:25:49,279 we're in a position that we have to tell 4622 03:25:49,279 --> 03:25:51,760 the bank here's how much money income we 4623 03:25:51,760 --> 03:25:54,000 have in order to qualify for this much 4624 03:25:54,000 --> 03:25:56,479 of a loan and then we work like crazy to 4625 03:25:56,479 --> 03:25:58,319 lower that amount. And I know that's a 4626 03:25:58,319 --> 03:26:00,720 very tough thing to say, 4627 03:26:00,720 --> 03:26:03,520 but we only have three weeks until the 4628 03:26:03,520 --> 03:26:04,960 end of August. And I don't think we're 4629 03:26:04,960 --> 03:26:07,439 going to have any better data by then 4630 03:26:07,439 --> 03:26:09,920 than we have today on what we need to 4631 03:26:09,920 --> 03:26:13,520 take for a tax increase to support that 4632 03:26:13,520 --> 03:26:16,080 highest loan. But I will guarantee to 4633 03:26:16,080 --> 03:26:18,160 you that I will work like crazy to keep 4634 03:26:18,160 --> 03:26:20,000 that amount as low as you want to work 4635 03:26:20,000 --> 03:26:37,349 with me on. 4636 03:26:37,359 --> 03:26:40,160 I can't make a motion. 4637 03:26:40,160 --> 03:26:41,520 >> Are you ready for a motion? 4638 03:26:41,520 --> 03:26:43,600 >> If If someone's ready to make a motion, 4639 03:26:43,600 --> 03:26:45,279 I'm ready for a motion. If we need more 4640 03:26:45,279 --> 03:26:48,319 discussion, I'm happy to entertain more 4641 03:26:48,319 --> 03:26:58,550 discussions. 4642 03:26:58,560 --> 03:27:01,439 Mayor, I'll make a motion to cons to 4643 03:27:01,439 --> 03:27:05,359 pass resolution 2026-1010 4644 03:27:05,359 --> 03:27:07,439 adopting the final budget for fiscal 4645 03:27:07,439 --> 03:27:13,120 year 2026 2027 and certifying the 2026 4646 03:27:13,120 --> 03:27:15,920 property tax rate. 4647 03:27:15,920 --> 03:27:18,319 And do we need to designate that as part 4648 03:27:18,319 --> 03:27:19,040 of the motion 4649 03:27:19,040 --> 03:27:22,479 >> be at at the rate that was presented 4650 03:27:22,479 --> 03:27:23,760 with the budget? 4651 03:27:23,760 --> 03:27:24,399 >> Correct. 4652 03:27:24,399 --> 03:27:26,239 >> Yeah. If you want the exact dollar 4653 03:27:26,239 --> 03:27:27,760 amount 4654 03:27:27,760 --> 03:27:30,319 if 4655 03:27:30,319 --> 03:27:32,960 uh 0001906 4656 03:27:32,960 --> 03:27:39,269 for a total revenue of 3,120,87. 4657 03:27:39,279 --> 03:27:41,359 » I'll second that motion. 4658 03:27:41,359 --> 03:27:43,359 >> Okay. I have a motion from Wall-E and a 4659 03:27:43,359 --> 03:27:45,279 second from Eric. Since this is a 4660 03:27:45,279 --> 03:27:48,479 resolution, we'll do roll call vote. 4661 03:27:48,479 --> 03:27:51,120 We'll start with Wally. I I 4662 03:27:51,120 --> 03:27:58,550 >> nay. 4663 03:27:58,560 --> 03:28:01,279 » I 4664 03:28:01,279 --> 03:28:04,800 3 to two. Motion passes. Thank you. 4665 03:28:04,800 --> 03:28:07,680 for everyone's participation 4666 03:28:07,680 --> 03:28:11,040 and comments and for the the discussion 4667 03:28:11,040 --> 03:28:14,000 among council. 4668 03:28:14,000 --> 03:28:16,000 We uh 4669 03:28:16,000 --> 03:28:18,000 will continue to have discussion as we 4670 03:28:18,000 --> 03:28:22,000 move forward and try to to 4671 03:28:22,000 --> 03:28:23,600 contain costs and make it the best 4672 03:28:23,600 --> 03:28:26,160 project we can. 4673 03:28:26,160 --> 03:28:31,840 Um with that I need a motion to adjurnn. 4674 03:28:31,840 --> 03:28:32,880 >> I move 4675 03:28:32,880 --> 03:28:33,920 >> second. 4676 03:28:33,920 --> 03:28:37,840 >> I have a motion from Rachel and a second 4677 03:28:37,840 --> 03:28:40,239 from Wally. You're here. All in favor? 4678 03:28:40,239 --> 03:28:40,640 Hi. 4679 03:28:40,640 --> 03:28:42,880 >> Hi. 4680 03:28:42,880 --> 03:28:44,080 >> Thank you. 4681 03:28:44,080 --> 03:28:46,560 >> Saying I'm still waiting interview. I 4682 03:28:46,560 --> 03:28:49,560 just