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Let's

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call the town council meeting of June

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9th, 2026 to order. Jennifer, will you

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take role?

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>> Council member Alberish here.

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>> Council member Brown here. Council

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>> member Gold here.

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>> Council member Wall here.

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>> Mayor Donowski

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>> here. Thank you. Council member Wall,

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will you lead us in the pledge of

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allegiance?

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to the stands. One nation under God,

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indivisible, with liberty and justice

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for all.

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» Okay. With that, we'll go on to public

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comment. uh persons wishing to address

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the council on any non-aggendaized items

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are invited to do so now that are within

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the jurisdiction of the town. Please

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note however that the council cannot

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undertake uh any extended discussion or

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act on non-aggendaized items. Such items

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can be referred to staff for placement

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on a future agenda. This will be limited

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to five persons three minutes each and

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we will stick with that tonight given uh

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we do have a very full agenda once

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again. So um if you have a

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non-aggendaized item and you'd like to

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speak on it um please approach the mic.

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Welcome, Kotti.

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>> Good evening.

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>> Evening.

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>> I'm Kotti Dancer, 110 Landing Drive,

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Woodside. This year marks my 27th year

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as president and program director of

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Woodside Junior Writers. Woodside Junior

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Writers has been a local institution

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since 1947. It is the oldest

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continuously operating riding program

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for children in Northern California. We

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operate on a very tight, modest budget

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and keep our costs as low as possible

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for participating families. Our 8week

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English riding program serves children

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ages 6 to 16 and emphasizes good

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horsemanship, horse safety, proper horse

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care, and respect for horses.

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Many junior riders families who are new

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to horses

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>> just push that

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>> after participating in the program for

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several years uh they end up buying

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horse property in town. This helps

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preserve Woodside's equestrian and rural

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heritage. I am here tonight to ask the

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council's help in protecting the

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property at Kylie Field, the more than

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20 horses on site each summer, and the

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nearby residents from significant fire

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risk posed by parking hot vehicles on

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dry grass field in July.

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On September 2nd, 2025, a major fire was

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started along 280 by a car pulling off

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the shoulder near Farmhill Boulevard.

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The fire grew and burned several acres

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of Joe Putnham's property at the end of

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Mission Trail. It was a significant

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fire. My home is very close by. We could

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hear all the fire trucks going up the

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road, and I could see the smoke drifting

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towards my home.

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Shortly thereafter, a sheriff came to my

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door and told us we should evacuate. I

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had four horses at home, two dogs, a

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cat, and a bird. Our trailer does not

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hold four horses. Luckily, a neighbor

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rode one out bearback, passed the sirens

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and with the planes overhead, I took the

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rest of the animals and tried to leave,

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but our roads became so clogged with

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emergency vehicles that I had to drive

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our pickup truck down the horse trail to

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get to safety. If a fire broke out in

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the trip road area, it would be a much

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worse disaster.

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During the annual Junior Writers Board

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meeting at the end of January in 2025,

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we discussed the devastating Los Angeles

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fires. The board concluded that allowing

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vehicles to park on grass was no longer

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responsible given the increased fire

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risk. Although parking on the lower

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grass field has been done in the past,

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the Junior Writers Board determined it

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was not worth the risk of a potential

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catastrophic fire and especially in this

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area that is designated as a fire safety

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uh hazard zone. Many residents in the

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Trip area already face challenges

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obtaining homeowners insurance because

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of that area's wildfire risk. The

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Mounted Patrol was formally notified at

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its February 4th, 2025 board meeting

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that overflow parking on the lower grass

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would no longer be permitted due to fire

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concerns. After receiving this notice

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and without my knowledge or any

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notification to junior riders, Rick de

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Benedetti acting on behalf of the

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mounted patrol approached Kevin Bryant

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and obtained a permit authorizing

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parking on the grass field.

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>> Kati, I hate to ask, we we we're over

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the three minutes. Is there a way to

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>> wrap up your

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>> I am just requesting that the town

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council direct the manager in amending

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the permit to not include the lower

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grass field and to use the trip road and

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surrounding paved streets instead. They

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can still use our front lot.

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>> Okay. Thank you.

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>> Thank you very much.

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>> And thank you for everything that you

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and Scott do for Kylie and the junior

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riders. Um

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Uh, you know, this has been going on for

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12 or 18 months, obviously, and uh, I

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thought we were sort of going a

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different direction when this came up a

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year ago. Um, I know we're opening up

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trip road to parking in a one making it

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a one-way street and, uh, we have a

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waterfall for that to the gravel to the

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lot and there's conditions on the lot

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and we're going to talk about making

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sure this gets agendaized next year

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because now we're very late in the cycle

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once again. But,

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um,

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I think a lot of us went and visited. I

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don't know if anybody has any other

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views that they want to express. We've

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taken some steps, but um I don't know if

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we need to take more steps this go

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around or even can, but I was one of

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guess four folks on the council that

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visited Kylie on this issue.

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>> Yeah, stick.

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been to the rodeo many times and parking

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is nightmare and there cars are

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everywhere,

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but I've also seen what the fires can do

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here. And I I think that back lot is

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subject to potential fire. And I think

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it we got to put that as a priority over

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anything else.

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June 23rd, but uh operations are already

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in place to follow a traffic plan and

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the conditions of approval because the

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encroachment department was approved. Um

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which also includes having a water truck

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down on the grass field. Uh that was a

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new condition that was added this year.

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have fire extinguishers on the property

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on Kylie throughout the property

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available for the paid parking

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attendants to utilize in the case of in

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the case of a fire. And there's a fire

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hydrant right outside Kylie Equestrian

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Center where a fire hose will be placed

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and available um until until the

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emergency response teams get there.

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» Are we good? is can we commit to

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agendaizing this when it comes up next

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>> Is it too late? Is it too late now to

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modify the permit

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this year? Realistically,

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you know, this this was a permit that

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was issued. We we we at this table were

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not aware that it was being issued. um

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with there was a conversation last year

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that that um this was to come to you

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before a permit was issued, but the

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previous town manager issued the um

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issued the permit. And so Melissa's

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tried very hard to make sure that we'll

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have adequate fire protection out there.

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conditions that he did add to the permit

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as she's just discussed with a water

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truck and things of that nature for this

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Okay. Uh, hi Sue, Miss Pleti.

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>> Hi, I'm Sue Pleti. I live on Raundo and

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a warm welcome to Susan George. Nice to

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see you. I discovered a safety finding

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that bears directly on the town's

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decision to proceed with the RFP for the

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Raondo parcel. I obtained this

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information through a California Public

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Records Act request and based on my

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review of these records, it does not

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appear that the information was shared

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with the town council prior to the RFP

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process going forward. I bring the email

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to your attention tonight as a matter of

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public record. This is from the fire

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marshall to Kevin Bryant, the town

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manager,

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November 19th, 2024. Hi Kevin, I wanted

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to provide a brief update on my meeting

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that Tom and I had with Sue Pleti a few

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weeks ago. Apologies, I have not had

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time to inform you. She conducted much

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research and had in her possession

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county record documentation and town of

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Woodside records dating back to 1975.

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Rancho Kenyatta, as referred to, was a

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large plot of land that was subdivided

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into separate parcels. documents show

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this is already a subdivided area with

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more than 30 units in this area. I have

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not researched it further since

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currently there's nothing on the table

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for development, but wanted to let you

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know there's a good amount of evidence

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to support their claims. And if truly

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the case, this parcel in question would

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not be able to be developed without

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another road for access. Before any

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developers are brought in and before the

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town spends money on developing the

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land, I would strongly recommend a

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thorough investigation on factchecking

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to avoid any legal actions against the

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town by the residents. The district is

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here to support you and the challenges

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for meeting state requirements. But we

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also must consider the evidence being

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provided and the fact that the search

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for alternate locations to build are

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becoming more apparent. Thank you. Have

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a safe day. Given the life safety

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concerns and the fire marshall's

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recommendation to consider an alternate

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location, the residents and I

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respectfully request that you halt the

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RFP process for the Raundo parcel and

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proceed with finding alternative

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locations. I'm submitting the fire

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marshall's email for the public record

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for tonight's meeting. Thank you.

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>> Thank you, Miss Plet.

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» Yes.

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Hi, I'm Karen Offen. I'm part of the

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crew on Ray Mundo and I fully support

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the research that Sou Petti has been

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doing lately and the conclusions that

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have come up in the course of the

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discussions about this the second exit

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road. Um it's very important for

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everybody here to understand that the

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virtually everyone on the street is

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aware of this and um planning to take

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action if necessary to make sure that we

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get that second road if any development

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happens to to be forthcoming.

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So, wanted to just remind you and it's

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true that the town council did did um

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attach a proviso to the parcel in one of

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the earlier meetings and uh also want to

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remind you of that. Um so just we wanted

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to keep this in the in the discussion

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and uh thank you very much for

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listening. Thank you, Miss Hoffen.

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You know, we were on those last two

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comments, we were going to uh have some

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ability for the public to uh weigh in on

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RFPs and make sure these items were

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included as part of the conditions of

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those RFPs. Do we have a sense for

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timing on that here over the course of

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the summer or early fall? Um I don't

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think it's going to happen um soon

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because we are in the midst of getting

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the master sewer study information which

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will indicate whether there's capacity

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for development uh currently and if not

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what would need to occur from an

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infrastructure perspective before that would um go forward in any manner.

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So there is no work being done on the

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RFP right now.

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>> Okay. And the master sewer study will

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come before council in July or

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>> I think July or perhaps soon after you

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return in September.

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>> Okay. Okay. So, everybody has a sense

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for timing. Okay. Any other public

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comments?

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And I see none in the Zoom room. Anyone

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in the Zoom?

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32 people. Plenty of questions for

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later, I guess. So we will close uh

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public comment and move on to the

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consent calendar. Um items in the

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consent are considered routine and will

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be approved by one roll call motion

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unless a item is pulled by the council

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or the public. Is there any item by any

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council member that you would like to

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see pulled?

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>> Six.

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>> Number six.

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Any items from the public that you would

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like to see pulled?

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Did I get a motion for one through five?

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Oh, yes. Jean

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>> two number two.

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>> Okay.

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All right. We'll take a motion for 1345.

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>> So moved.

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>> Second.

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>> Council member Aarish.

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>> Yes.

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>> Council member Brown.

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>> Yes.

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>> Council member Gold.

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>> Yes.

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>> Council member Wall. Mayor Donkowski.

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>> Yes. We'll go in order. Uh Council

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Member Wall and number two.

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So I mean first I think this is great

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potentally great opportunity and I

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wanted to just you and I had talked a

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little bit about um this Senate bill SB1

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funding and I know um the staff report

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gives the list of projects that have

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been submitted which tracks to our road

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rehabilitation project. Um but I wanted

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to understand um like what other

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projects do we consider? um is there an

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opportunity to to potentially add

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projects? Um because I know my

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understanding of um SB1 is that it's

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quite broad like we I think we had

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talked about um potentially including

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safe routes to school. So maybe just

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kind of provide that context around um

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how we landed on the uh the road rehab

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projects and whether or not we could

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have an opportunity to add things in the

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future or adjust. um wanted to hear

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about that.

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>> Yes. Uh council member Wall. Um so for

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the SP1 funding for this particular

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funding and for this purpose is for

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strictly for u road pavement and it

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requires a pavement management uh

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program. So the town does have that and

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we use um you utilize um the MTC

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services and to provide us with a list

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of roads. So as you mentioned for SB1

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funding um there are other opportunities

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and um we can u we are pursuing grant

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opportunities um you know falling within

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um that structure at different types of

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project you know um related possibly to

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drainage and other infrastructure

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related project but for this particular

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uh SP1 um purpose it's just strictly for

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pavement um rehabilitation.

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When will will we like will we have a

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chance to to submit um other projects in

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the near future or how will how will for

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example if we wanted to um to seek

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funding for a safe routes to school

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project like how would that happen?

387
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>> Yes. Um we do uh get notification

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through the cag um and they would notify

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us of different types of funding

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opportunity coming um in the year. So

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once we receive that, we will pursue um

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opportunities that that were best fit

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for the town. So

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>> and we did recently get one.

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>> We did. Yes.

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>> Um so what are you guys evaluating

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projects to um see funding for that one

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that you did?

399
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>> Yes. Um one of the funding we did apply

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for is the safe streets funding and

401
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we're looking at different opportunities

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in different streets and also uh traffic

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related uh opportunities. And there's

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also, as you mentioned, safe out to

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school and we did apply for that for the

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TDA3. Um, I recently did a presentation

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for that and we're hoping to hear back

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from from CACAG sometime uh maybe after

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the summer, see if we're able to be

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awarded as part of that this year's uh

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package.

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» Uh any public comment on two?

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Um, I guess we'll try to take them both

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together. Um, number six.

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>> Um, yeah. Um,

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>> I'd be interested in knowing what was

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the original contract amount for this

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project,

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uh, and what will the addition of this

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take the total cost of this contract to?

421
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>> So, um, Council Member Brown, um, and I

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believe there is no contract and and

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correct me if I'm wrong. It's um it's

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around it's a little over $100,000 and

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but for this uh amendment there is no

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cost involved. We're only extending the

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term. The term is about to expire at the

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end of June. Um we want to extend this

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term so we can continue uh utilizing

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this agreement with our consultant.

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>> It still brings another $66,000

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that we didn't budget. Correct.

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>> There's still money in the budget.

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They're not done um with their uh design

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work. That's correct. So the original

436
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budget still covers enough for the

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66,000

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>> the Yes. Yes. Okay. All right. Thank

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you.

440
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>> Any public comment on six?

441
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We get a motion for two and six.

442
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>> I move we approve two and six.

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>> Second.

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>> Council member Aubberish.

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>> Yes.

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>> Council member Brown.

447
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>> Yes.

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>> Council member Gold.

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>> Council member Wall.

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>> Mayor Donowski.

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>> Yes. Thank you.

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>> Excuse me. Mayor Damonowski.

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>> Yes.

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>> Could I make a request for the council

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to consider taking new business item B

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before old business item A?

457
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Is council okay with that?

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Okay. Uh so we will pivot to a

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discussion on

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uh presentation of the proposed budget

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for 2026 and 2027.

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And I hand it off to you Melissa to

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>> Yes. Thank you. I'm going to introduce

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uh we hired our consultant Susan George

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with SEG Consulting to assist myself and

466
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Corey uh Stoker Pedalino, the

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administrative services director in

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preparing the budget um for introduction

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tonight before the council. So, I'm

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going to turn this over to Miss George

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to give a presentation.

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>> Thank you.

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Melissa. And um good evening

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to all of you. It's really weird to be

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back here.

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>> Yeah.

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>> Could we move the microphone just a

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little closer there, Susan? Thank you.

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Absolutely. Then welcome back. Um, thank

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you. Um, I'm not going to make a long

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presentation. You've had the document

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for several days now. I've had an

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opportunity to meet with each of you um,

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in the last couple of months um, to talk

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about the general finances of the town.

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Um, I wanted to point out that this

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budget is not quite balanced. It's

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$13,000 out of balance, which is an

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unusual number. Um, but I I I also

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wanted to point out that if you look at

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the five-year forecast that um

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that number gets bigger every year in

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the five-year forecast.

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And that's why this is such a pivotal

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moment because you have the opportunity

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to um allow Melissa to make some uh

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internal changes um in in terms of how

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we do our finances, how we keep our

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records. And it's also an opportunity

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for the council to talk about and give

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us direction on how you want us to move

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ahead to eliminate that gap. Um, and now

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is the perfect time to do it. So, um,

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because it's not out of control. Um, but

505
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it can get out of control if we don't

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rein it in. Um, having said that, you

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are still in very good financial shape.

508
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You've got a lot of money in reserve. um

509
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you are still contributing a million

510
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dollars to the uh capital improvement

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program this year from your uh undesated

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reserves. Um but we need to going

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forward keep keep an eye on both how

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much of that undesated reserve we still

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have available and also um just to make

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sure that our revenues and our

517
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expenditures match up. Um I would be

518
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happy to answer any questions or to walk

519
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you through the budget. It's it's your

520
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um at your direction.

521
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>> Thank you, Miss George. Uh questions on

522
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the budget anywhere?

523
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>> Um

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>> start on this side.

525
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>> Yep. Got a few.

526
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>> Thank you, sir.

527
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>> Um so, thank you for the uh letter of

528
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transmitt, the highlights. So, um as I

529
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read it, I just I think there's four or

530
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five controversial issues that

531
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>> Yes, there are.

532
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>> Just wanted to ask you to comment on. Um

533
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our biggest expenditure is law

534
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enforcement services with the Sanonteo

535
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County Sheriff's Office. Um, we usually

536
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I mean the annual cost is about 3.3

537
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million. I know there's an adjustment

538
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that makes it look less, but it's really

539
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3.3 million. I think we did get a credit

540
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um for that. And this current year

541
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looking forward 2627, it's going to be 3

542
00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:02,960
almost 3.6 million. I don't think we

543
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have much control over that, but that's

544
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a big number. and

545
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>> you know, $300,000 or so that um we're

546
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more or less obligated to pay if we want

547
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law enforcement in our area. Um

548
00:23:18,159 --> 00:23:19,840
any comments on that, by the way? I do

549
00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:21,120
have a couple of others, but

550
00:23:21,120 --> 00:23:23,200
>> yeah. No. Um you're you're exactly

551
00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:25,120
right, and this is the second year of a

552
00:23:25,120 --> 00:23:28,080
new five-year term. Um, we were lucky to

553
00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:30,320
get that $200,000 credit this current

554
00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:32,480
year, but it just makes the increase

555
00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:39,120
going into next year seem even worse to bear. Um, but it is

556
00:23:39,120 --> 00:23:40,640
between that and your salaries and

557
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:42,159
benefits. Those are the two biggest

558
00:23:42,159 --> 00:23:46,000
chunks that comprise your 13 plus

559
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,159
million dollar general fund budget.

560
00:23:48,159 --> 00:23:50,880
>> Okay. Um there are two that apparently

561
00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:52,880
are um well not apparently that are

562
00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:54,480
controversial amongst our citizens and

563
00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:56,080
I'm sure we're going to have some um

564
00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:57,840
comments on both of them tonight. The

565
00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:00,400
first one um is the temporary traffic

566
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:02,320
light. I I like the quotes around

567
00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:04,320
temporary. Um it's been three years.

568
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:07,120
It's $200,000 a year. 600,000 we've

569
00:24:07,120 --> 00:24:09,440
paid. We probably could have built u

570
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:11,279
most of a permanent traffic light for

571
00:24:11,279 --> 00:24:12,880
the amount that we've invested in a

572
00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:16,080
temporary little trailer. Um but anyway,

573
00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:18,080
that's um could you just talk about

574
00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:21,440
moving forward what's in the budget now

575
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:22,960
that we have to work?

576
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:25,440
>> Sure. Um and Lewis can jump in at any

577
00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:27,840
moment if he wishes to. Um I've been

578
00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:30,400
working with Lewis on the CIP, so he's

579
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:33,679
kind of a co-conspirator here. Um we

580
00:24:33,679 --> 00:24:36,159
eliminated all but three months worth of

581
00:24:36,159 --> 00:24:39,279
the temporary traffic light funding from

582
00:24:39,279 --> 00:24:43,120
this budget. Um Lewis is working has

583
00:24:43,120 --> 00:24:45,440
already started working on potential

584
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:47,440
solutions moving forward. There's

585
00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:50,240
$350,000 in the first year of the

586
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:53,520
capital improvement program um for some

587
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:55,679
kind of permanent replacement up there.

588
00:24:55,679 --> 00:24:57,520
Um and I'm not going to guess what

589
00:24:57,520 --> 00:24:59,200
that's going to be, but I'll I'll let

590
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:00,880
Lewis comment in a minute. There are

591
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:03,840
also um funds in the second and third

592
00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:06,559
year of the of the capital improvement

593
00:25:06,559 --> 00:25:09,679
program as well for this project in case

594
00:25:09,679 --> 00:25:12,720
they are needed. Um but I'm not going to

595
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:14,240
second guess what the solution is going

596
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:15,840
to be.

597
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:19,120
>> So um if I may add, so the $350,000

598
00:25:19,120 --> 00:25:21,600
that's proposed in the CIP is really

599
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:26,400
used for several um purpose. One of them

600
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:29,679
is to do a transitional um cleanup and

601
00:25:29,679 --> 00:25:32,799
also preparation where uh we clean up

602
00:25:32,799 --> 00:25:35,600
vegetation and the shelder and also

603
00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:38,480
create um the turnout that's currently

604
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:41,679
sort of um needs um some cleanup work.

605
00:25:41,679 --> 00:25:44,960
This would allow um a lot safer passage

606
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:47,440
through those narrow lanes. And uh at

607
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:49,360
the same time, part of the the funding

608
00:25:49,360 --> 00:25:52,159
will be um hiring a consultant to

609
00:25:52,159 --> 00:25:55,200
conduct a um a permanent design. We're

610
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:58,400
looking at um widening the road as also

611
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:00,720
another alternative. We do have a

612
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:02,559
traffic signal permanent signal that's

613
00:26:02,559 --> 00:26:04,799
been designed and that's still on the

614
00:26:04,799 --> 00:26:07,840
table, but we haven't never looked at uh

615
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:10,000
widening the road and that's I think

616
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,000
that's an option we we should pursue at

617
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:14,559
least review and see the possibility of

618
00:26:14,559 --> 00:26:16,559
that. And the consultant will also help

619
00:26:16,559 --> 00:26:18,960
us look for funding um grants funding

620
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:20,880
for winding this road. And I think

621
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:23,360
winding the road is a potential um

622
00:26:23,360 --> 00:26:25,520
permanent solution. So

623
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:26,640
>> widening the road.

624
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:28,880
>> That's correct. Widening um that section

625
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:31,360
of the upper Honda road. So the name

626
00:26:31,360 --> 00:26:34,240
that we uh I've created for this um for

627
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:36,159
this project in the CIP is called the

628
00:26:36,159 --> 00:26:38,880
upper Honda road safety project and the

629
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:42,480
purpose is to eventually create um a

630
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:45,360
safe solution um for that section of

631
00:26:45,360 --> 00:26:48,640
Olahonda Road. Okay. Um the other points

632
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,600
I wanted to make are very brief. Um, I'm

633
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:53,840
going to pass for now on the um Kite

634
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:57,440
Hill Wildflower maintenance and res

635
00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:00,000
restoration and the credit card fees

636
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,640
which I think are you know we certainly

637
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:04,799
need to discuss. Um, but I did want to

638
00:27:04,799 --> 00:27:07,200
mention the defensible space as well.

639
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:09,760
That's also a pretty big number and u it

640
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:11,600
is

641
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:14,080
>> the citizens take advantage I take

642
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:15,440
advantage in a positive way. I don't

643
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:17,840
mean that negatively. Um, but it's um

644
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:20,559
it's a big number and um I don't think

645
00:27:20,559 --> 00:27:23,440
you're asking us to revise the rules

646
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:24,240
tonight.

647
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:29,520
>> No, no, we're we're suggesting that we put it on some future agenda,

648
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:31,360
a public notice it so that people know

649
00:27:31,360 --> 00:27:33,440
that they can come in and give you their

650
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:35,039
two cents.

651
00:27:35,039 --> 00:27:39,430
>> Got it. Thank you.

652
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:42,000
» Other questions? Yes, council member.

653
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,559
>> Yes. Um

654
00:27:44,559 --> 00:27:48,240
first of all on um

655
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:52,400
side road median island beautifification

656
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:55,120
we're showing a budget item here of $2.5

657
00:27:55,120 --> 00:27:58,080
million in 2627.

658
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:01,440
What project is that for? This this is

659
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:04,399
for the stretch of Woodside Road from

660
00:28:04,399 --> 00:28:08,320
just east of I2 to the Alama delos Pogus

661
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:11,600
and um this is a project for which funds

662
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,240
have been donated and I think

663
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:16,159
>> this includes a donated fund project. So

664
00:28:16,159 --> 00:28:17,200
that's this is that project.

665
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:18,399
>> This is the donated fund.

666
00:28:18,399 --> 00:28:21,760
>> Okay. All right. Fine. Um,

667
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:24,000
I've looked at the sheriff budget and

668
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:25,760
I'd like to suggest, I'm not going to

669
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:28,799
litigate it tonight, but I think that we

670
00:28:28,799 --> 00:28:31,120
ought to appoint a committee task force

671
00:28:31,120 --> 00:28:34,559
to really look hard at

672
00:28:34,559 --> 00:28:36,880
what we're paying for

673
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:40,480
and what we're getting for it in terms

674
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:42,159
of

675
00:28:42,159 --> 00:28:45,520
we need do we need the two motorcycle

676
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:50,240
police uh cops, for example. Um, we're

677
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:53,360
writing a lot of tickets every year, 300

678
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:56,159
over 300 a month. What are we getting?

679
00:28:56,159 --> 00:28:58,000
for those for all

680
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:02,399
that effort? Is it really reducing

681
00:29:02,399 --> 00:29:05,760
um accidents, injuries,

682
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:09,120
um the crime, anything like that? What

683
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:10,960
are we getting for that? Because this

684
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:16,320
budget keeps going up and up and up. And you look at the cost per person

685
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:18,480
that we're paying for here.

686
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:20,720
It is huge

687
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,360
and um I just want us to put together a

688
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:25,600
task force to figure out what can we do

689
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:27,760
about all this because I know porta

690
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:28,880
valley has gone through the same thing

691
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:30,720
and they've actually got a reduction

692
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:32,240
substantial reduction in what they're

693
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:35,840
paying. They probably sacrifice a lot to

694
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,080
get there but I want to understand what

695
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:39,679
did they do and I can talk to them about

696
00:29:39,679 --> 00:29:43,919
that. Um but what can we do because this

697
00:29:43,919 --> 00:29:45,440
is going to kill us in a couple more

698
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:49,669
years if it keeps going up like this.

699
00:29:49,679 --> 00:29:52,080
We we do have that. We have an ad hoc

700
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:55,200
sheriff's uh contract committee. It's

701
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:58,559
council member Aberation, myself. Um uh

702
00:29:58,559 --> 00:30:03,190
so we can certainly dust that off.

703
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:06,159
Other questions or comments?

704
00:30:06,159 --> 00:30:09,440
>> I have a question. Um so what I just

705
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:11,840
want to better understand for the upper

706
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:15,520
LA Honda uh solution. So it it sounds

707
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:18,320
like we have funding for three months,

708
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:19,919
continue with the temporary light, and

709
00:30:19,919 --> 00:30:23,360
then what would happen after that?

710
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:28,799
>> Well, I'm not I'm not going to jump on Louiswis's lines here. Can you give

711
00:30:28,799 --> 00:30:31,279
us a timeline for what you're studying,

712
00:30:31,279 --> 00:30:32,240
right?

713
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:35,679
>> Sure. Um, so I do have a proposal from

714
00:30:35,679 --> 00:30:37,360
Fairlong Construction. That's the

715
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:38,960
company we're currently renting the

716
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:42,320
temporary traffic signal from. Um, and

717
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:44,880
one of the transitional um, work that I

718
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:47,600
mentioned earlier is to uh, really to

719
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:49,919
clean up the the side the shoulder of

720
00:30:49,919 --> 00:30:52,880
that narrow stretch. By doing that, we

721
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,360
could potentially increase about 4 feet

722
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:59,200
of space um, and just be able to clean

723
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:02,000
uh, clean the the turnouts to allow

724
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,799
traffic um, to pass. And that would be

725
00:31:04,799 --> 00:31:07,520
something we do immediately. And Feron

726
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:09,520
has agreed to keep the traffic light

727
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:11,520
while they do this work. and not charge

728
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:15,039
the town for the traffic signal. Um and

729
00:31:15,039 --> 00:31:17,919
also at the same time uh I am proposing

730
00:31:17,919 --> 00:31:21,600
to um look at purchasing a temporary

731
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:23,440
traffic al light for the town that we

732
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,159
can manage ourselves um at a lower cost

733
00:31:26,159 --> 00:31:28,720
and that can be something we can install

734
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:35,039
after um we get a chance to improve the road um and clean it.

735
00:31:35,039 --> 00:31:36,399
>> Got it. So, I just want to make sure.

736
00:31:36,399 --> 00:31:38,640
So, it's uh so we'll be cleaning the

737
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:40,399
road while there's still light in place

738
00:31:40,399 --> 00:31:44,799
and then would there is there if we

739
00:31:44,799 --> 00:31:47,200
um go down this route, is it going to be

740
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:49,840
the the new replacement that we

741
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:53,120
purchase? Um would that be installed

742
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:55,600
like right away when the the current

743
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:58,559
temporary light is taken out?

744
00:31:58,559 --> 00:32:01,120
>> It is our hope that we can have no gap

745
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:04,159
during that transition. Um although I'm

746
00:32:04,159 --> 00:32:06,159
not certain about lead time in

747
00:32:06,159 --> 00:32:08,559
purchasing these equipment. So we'll

748
00:32:08,559 --> 00:32:10,720
definitely work our best to try to get

749
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:12,960
the temporary signal the one that we

750
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:15,679
plan on purchase uh in place um before

751
00:32:15,679 --> 00:32:17,679
the old one is removed.

752
00:32:17,679 --> 00:32:20,320
>> Thank you.

753
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:22,480
>> That's your microphone.

754
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:24,320
>> Oh yeah.

755
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:27,519
>> So Susan, we're so thankful that you

756
00:32:27,519 --> 00:32:29,120
were able to help us with this. Um I

757
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:30,960
think we're so fortunate to have your

758
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:34,320
experience and your expertise. Um so

759
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:38,080
thank you for that. Um maybe before

760
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:40,960
going into kind of the specific um

761
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:42,880
program expenditures, you started off

762
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:44,159
your presentation by saying we have a

763
00:32:44,159 --> 00:32:46,720
pivotal opportunity to make some changes

764
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,200
and I'm wondering could you share your

765
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:51,039
insight into or you know what your

766
00:32:51,039 --> 00:32:53,279
recommendations are in in terms of

767
00:32:53,279 --> 00:32:55,360
changes that we have the opportunity to

768
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:56,080
make?

769
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:58,720
>> Sure. And these these are not just um my

770
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:01,279
ideas. It's um Melissa and Corey and I

771
00:33:01,279 --> 00:33:04,159
have been talking about this as a team.

772
00:33:04,159 --> 00:33:06,480
Um some of the things that I think were

773
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:07,840
highlighted in the third quarterly

774
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,640
budget review, which is really what um

775
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,840
daylighted um some of these issues, um

776
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:16,960
are things such as um

777
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,519
contracts coming before you for approval

778
00:33:19,519 --> 00:33:21,360
during the year after the budget's been

779
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:23,760
adopted, but no recommendation coming

780
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:26,559
forward to provide the funding for that.

781
00:33:26,559 --> 00:33:28,480
And that's part part of the problem this

782
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:32,640
current year. Um, so one of the the

783
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:34,240
things that Melissa is going to have to

784
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:38,320
ensure and and with Corey's um, help is

785
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:42,960
that uh, we we we have an ironclad

786
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:44,880
procedure in place that when anything

787
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:46,480
comes before you that involves the

788
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:50,080
approval of funds that it is certified

789
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:52,399
that there are funds that that's clearly

790
00:33:52,399 --> 00:33:54,720
stated to you. You don't have to ask it.

791
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:56,880
Um, and that means that Corey and

792
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:59,519
Melissa have to ensure and Lewis have to

793
00:33:59,519 --> 00:34:01,360
ensure that that the funding is

794
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:02,880
available or they have to ask you for

795
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,679
it. So, um, so that would eliminate that

796
00:34:05,679 --> 00:34:08,480
problem. Um, contract management is

797
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:10,000
another one that Corey and Melissa have

798
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:13,359
already started to work on. Um, we have

799
00:34:13,359 --> 00:34:15,599
some contracts. Actually, Lewis's

800
00:34:15,599 --> 00:34:17,200
earlier contract tonight is a good

801
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:20,320
example of this where um contracts have

802
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:23,599
expiration dates and in the past they've

803
00:34:23,599 --> 00:34:27,040
just kind of been ignored um and

804
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:29,760
programs continued, bills paid even

805
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:31,919
though technically we really were not in

806
00:34:31,919 --> 00:34:35,679
contract. Um, so, um, that's something

807
00:34:35,679 --> 00:34:37,839
that that I I know Melissa is thinking

808
00:34:37,839 --> 00:34:40,159
about getting a contract administration

809
00:34:40,159 --> 00:34:44,480
module for our comdev, um, program,

810
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:45,040
>> springbook. Yeah.

811
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:47,599
>> For spring book. Yeah. Um, um, that

812
00:34:47,599 --> 00:34:49,760
would help uh, facilitate the management

813
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,720
of agreements to make sure that um, it's

814
00:34:52,720 --> 00:34:55,440
easier to ensure that things are not

815
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:58,400
expired um, and also that not to exceed

816
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:00,720
amounts have not been exceeded. So,

817
00:35:00,720 --> 00:35:02,560
those are just a couple of examples.

818
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:04,800
more regular reporting to the council

819
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:08,320
and to the public and also to have um a

820
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,079
higher level of involvement of the

821
00:35:10,079 --> 00:35:12,160
department heads both in putting the

822
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:14,640
budget together and in monitoring it um

823
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:16,240
and being held accountable for it during

824
00:35:16,240 --> 00:35:19,510
the year.

825
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:22,960
That all makes a lot of sense. Um and I

826
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:23,760
think those are really good

827
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:25,520
recommendations. I think like you said,

828
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:27,760
we're we didn't uncover anything

829
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:31,119
horrible, but we've uncovered some some

830
00:35:31,119 --> 00:35:33,839
management and process issues that, you

831
00:35:33,839 --> 00:35:35,599
know, we really need to make sure we

832
00:35:35,599 --> 00:35:38,079
course correct um to get ahead of that

833
00:35:38,079 --> 00:35:40,160
before, you know, a small problem

834
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:41,760
becomes a lot bigger. So,

835
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:43,440
>> that's exactly right. Very thankful for

836
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:46,400
you identifying that. And then um I

837
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:47,760
wanted to talk a little bit about Kite

838
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:50,320
Hill. Um,

839
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:53,280
and I wanted to understand from Melissa,

840
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:56,079
what direction are you looking to the

841
00:35:56,079 --> 00:35:58,480
town council tonight on the Kite Hill

842
00:35:58,480 --> 00:35:59,280
topic?

843
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:01,839
>> Sure. Uh, in the budget is a line item

844
00:36:01,839 --> 00:36:04,079
for the Kite Hill Wildflower

845
00:36:04,079 --> 00:36:06,320
Preservation and Fire Mitigation um

846
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:08,240
project that's been going on for over 10

847
00:36:08,240 --> 00:36:12,160
years and we carried over $60,000. Um

848
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:14,400
Craig Dman performs the work on Kite

849
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:16,960
Hill and every year he's worked with the

850
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,119
previous town managers to put together a

851
00:36:19,119 --> 00:36:21,040
budget of what he recommends needs to be

852
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:23,680
done for the upcoming year. Uh this year

853
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:26,240
we carried over the $60,000 but in

854
00:36:26,240 --> 00:36:29,119
reviewing past budgets uh approve

855
00:36:29,119 --> 00:36:32,880
adopted and and then actual expenses

856
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:35,839
we've gone over budget almost every year

857
00:36:35,839 --> 00:36:38,320
above the 60,000. It ranges from 30 to

858
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:41,200
80,000 over the past 10 years and we've

859
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:44,400
gone over and if um he completed if we

860
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:47,599
are about 57,000 Corey has the number um

861
00:36:47,599 --> 00:36:50,480
for for this year. We're currently at

862
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:52,800
$51,000 with a proposal of another

863
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:56,400
$6,000 on the table.

864
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:58,000
>> And so we're just looking to council if

865
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,720
you'd like us to continue to budget for

866
00:37:00,720 --> 00:37:05,119
the $60,000. Um, we also, um, came

867
00:37:05,119 --> 00:37:06,320
across that we don't have a written

868
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:09,359
contract with Mr. Dreman. So, we could,

869
00:37:09,359 --> 00:37:11,119
um, put something together if the

870
00:37:11,119 --> 00:37:14,560
council wish to go out for an RFP,

871
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:16,720
submit a bid. Um, that's the other

872
00:37:16,720 --> 00:37:19,200
option.

873
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:22,240
>> Um, so if we were kind of starting from

874
00:37:22,240 --> 00:37:24,000
scratch, what would the process look

875
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,640
like to um provide maintenance and

876
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:29,040
landscaping services to Kite Hill? We

877
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:32,160
would start with uh public works t uh

878
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:34,880
Lewis and his staff determining uh if

879
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:36,880
first if the town staff could maintain

880
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:39,599
Kite Hill and what that would cost um if

881
00:37:39,599 --> 00:37:41,200
it's feasible with their with their work

882
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:43,040
schedule and other tasks that they need

883
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:44,720
to do and other fire mitigation work

884
00:37:44,720 --> 00:37:46,720
around this time of year. Um, but we

885
00:37:46,720 --> 00:37:48,560
would put together and see what the what

886
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:50,320
the cost is based on the scope of work

887
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:53,839
currently that's being done and if it is

888
00:37:53,839 --> 00:37:56,079
above the town manager signing

889
00:37:56,079 --> 00:37:57,680
authority, then we could put together a

890
00:37:57,680 --> 00:37:59,520
request for proposal and put it out for

891
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:02,320
bid and bring that forward to council to

892
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:05,200
accept one of the bids.

893
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:07,599
>> Okay. Thank you.

894
00:38:07,599 --> 00:38:11,280
>> Okay. Um, and maybe just to wrap up with

895
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:13,440
me for a second. So, the defensible

896
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:15,520
space program that's going to come back

897
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:17,760
to us and there'll presumably be some

898
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:19,440
recommendation that we can no longer do

899
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:20,800
three, but maybe it's two and a half or

900
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:22,079
two or whatever the number is going to

901
00:38:22,079 --> 00:38:23,920
be. It's we're exceeding our budget.

902
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:26,240
It's a very successful program, but

903
00:38:26,240 --> 00:38:28,240
yeah, that's that's part of it, I guess.

904
00:38:28,240 --> 00:38:30,240
>> Yes, it can come. you could if you'd

905
00:38:30,240 --> 00:38:32,880
like to come back and we can revisit uh

906
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:34,480
improving the program, making some

907
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:36,880
changes uh and also discussing the

908
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:38,079
budget if you want to keep it at the

909
00:38:38,079 --> 00:38:41,200
500,000. We have gone over as we stated

910
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:43,359
in our documents we've gone over and

911
00:38:43,359 --> 00:38:45,119
this is the this time of year is when

912
00:38:45,119 --> 00:38:47,119
it's very busy. Everyone's doing their

913
00:38:47,119 --> 00:38:48,960
cleanup of their properties before the

914
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:50,079
end of the fiscal year.

915
00:38:50,079 --> 00:38:52,160
>> Can I can I make a point to this one?

916
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:52,560
>> Yes,

917
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:53,839
>> I'm sorry to cut in here, but

918
00:38:53,839 --> 00:38:56,880
>> no problem. to the defensive space. Um,

919
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,200
I'm off for watching our pennies here,

920
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:06,320
but remember, we're all now under the gun from Woodside Fire to make our

921
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:10,640
properties very safe. And that for many, people, that means you've got to

922
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:13,599
take a lot of trees down. And I would

923
00:39:13,599 --> 00:39:17,040
hate to see us pull back on a program

924
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:18,880
that uh a lot of people are now going to

925
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:21,200
be tapping into. Um, but we ought to be

926
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:22,640
aware of that in our budgeting too,

927
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:24,560
though, that we have to maybe go up

928
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:27,599
instead of down. But, um, I don't want

929
00:39:27,599 --> 00:39:30,800
to be cutting back on our support for

930
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:32,560
what the what the residents are being

931
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:35,520
demand demanded to do, um, mandated to

932
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:38,960
do, um, in this town by Woodside Fire.

933
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,520
>> You know, we can we'll hit that on some

934
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:43,760
deliberation. Um, I I hear where you're

935
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:45,359
coming from in that. Uh the second part

936
00:39:45,359 --> 00:39:49,280
of my question was um

937
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:50,960
I've just received some feedback that

938
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:53,839
this is an unusual program, a bottomup

939
00:39:53,839 --> 00:39:55,680
kind of program where some citizens

940
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:57,359
self- select in but those citizens

941
00:39:57,359 --> 00:40:00,320
aren't necessarily a uh a disadvantaged

942
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:04,160
group or um is there a way to get a

943
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:08,160
legal opinion for this whether this is a

944
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:11,920
program that um

945
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:17,670
whether it's a legal program.

946
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:18,960
» Sure. I'd be happy to take a look at it

947
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:20,079
and give you an opinion.

948
00:40:20,079 --> 00:40:23,520
>> Okay. Thank you. Um,

949
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:25,359
you mentioned we're 10 years in on Kite

950
00:40:25,359 --> 00:40:27,680
Hill. How long was the restoration

951
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:29,359
effort supposed to be and how long does

952
00:40:29,359 --> 00:40:31,440
it take to restore wild flowers on a on

953
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:32,880
a site? I mean, we're 10 years in and

954
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:34,240
we're still talking about another 10

955
00:40:34,240 --> 00:40:34,560
years.

956
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:36,640
>> Another 10 years, according to Craig.

957
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:39,200
UN, I was not here at the time when when

958
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:42,720
this came to light. Um so but but the

959
00:40:42,720 --> 00:40:45,200
land was uh gifted to the town and in

960
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:47,040
the documentation it does that say that

961
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:48,320
the town is to maintain it in

962
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:49,920
perpetuity.

963
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:50,880
>> Okay.

964
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:52,800
>> Sorry just question maintain kite hill

965
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:55,200
or maintain the wild flowers. both uh

966
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:58,560
the Jane Joan Olsen preserve and the

967
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:01,520
wild wildflower piece but it it just

968
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:05,190
says maintain

969
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:07,119
» and then it's sort of a statement

970
00:41:07,119 --> 00:41:09,520
question but uh given we have a little

971
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:12,400
bit of a hole um you know it's just a

972
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:17,359
reminder that we funded uh an extra

973
00:41:17,359 --> 00:41:18,880
pension account a pension reserve

974
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:21,119
account after co 19 hit the market

975
00:41:21,119 --> 00:41:22,960
pretty hard in 2020 and we put $2

976
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:24,800
million in there as a council and it's

977
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:27,280
now pushing 3.5 million and we've never

978
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:30,800
taken a withdrawal and it is meant to uh

979
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:32,800
ultimately subsidize the pension line

980
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:35,280
and I see the pension line is 654,000

981
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:39,680
going to 750 to 813 and so forth. Um, so

982
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:42,000
there is a question with this huge

983
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:43,839
appreciation if we start using some of

984
00:41:43,839 --> 00:41:46,720
those profits on a even if it's just a

985
00:41:46,720 --> 00:41:48,880
couple hundred,000 in order to keep some

986
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:51,440
of these projects that people have been

987
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:53,440
very adamant about having like a

988
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:55,760
stoplight at Old La Honda and whatnot.

989
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:58,560
Um, so I guess one of the another

990
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:01,280
question that we might want to

991
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:03,839
give guidance on is whether or not we

992
00:42:03,839 --> 00:42:05,680
want to start a withdrawal program uh

993
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:07,839
from our PARs account.

994
00:42:07,839 --> 00:42:16,230
of a couple hundred grand a year.

995
00:42:16,240 --> 00:42:18,720
Any other questions or comments before

996
00:42:18,720 --> 00:42:23,510
opening up public comment?

997
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:25,760
All right, we will open public comment.

998
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:27,280
Are there any members of the public who

999
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:29,599
would like to speak on any item or not

1000
00:42:29,599 --> 00:42:33,920
any item on this item? Item B, the

1001
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:36,560
budget. Welcome, Miss Luben. Um, I don't

1002
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:38,319
know how many of you were around when

1003
00:42:38,319 --> 00:42:40,720
the McDow

1004
00:42:40,720 --> 00:42:43,119
subdivision was proposed for the Glenn's

1005
00:42:43,119 --> 00:42:45,520
and how hard the

1006
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:47,760
town worked to

1007
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:50,000
minimize the number of houses that went

1008
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:53,280
in and maximize the the amount of open

1009
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:56,480
space. And it is it is a fabulous town

1010
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:58,960
resource. Jen, I don't know if you walk

1011
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:00,240
up there, but the wild flowers are

1012
00:43:00,240 --> 00:43:02,079
spectacular. and it I think it just

1013
00:43:02,079 --> 00:43:04,880
finished and um we're we're actually

1014
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:06,560
friends I think we I don't know if we

1015
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:08,560
recommended Craig to the town but we're

1016
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:10,640
friends with Craig and I I think he's

1017
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:13,200
thinking about retiring but I I don't

1018
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:16,640
know about training town staff to take

1019
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:21,119
care of it. Um, but 60,000 in light of

1020
00:43:21,119 --> 00:43:23,520
the whole budget doesn't seem that much.

1021
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:27,200
But if there's some way to not go

1022
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:30,000
backwards, but at least progress on on

1023
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,240
Kite Hill and

1024
00:43:32,240 --> 00:43:35,040
really make sure it it stays as

1025
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:37,200
beautiful as it is and and and maintain

1026
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:41,040
it and keep the weeds and everything

1027
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:43,680
else out. I would encourage you to do so

1028
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:46,880
because it's um it's really a fabulous

1029
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:48,960
resource and and Craig has worked very

1030
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:52,800
hard. Um I I know what he's had to go

1031
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:54,960
through to eliminate all the invasive

1032
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:57,520
grasses and and bring in all the

1033
00:43:57,520 --> 00:43:59,440
natives. And it's it's one of the few

1034
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:02,079
places in California where serpentine

1035
00:44:02,079 --> 00:44:04,400
soil comes to the surface and it

1036
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:07,119
supports all sorts of butterflies and

1037
00:44:07,119 --> 00:44:10,240
other insects. And so we were very

1038
00:44:10,240 --> 00:44:12,319
fortunate to have it and I I encourage

1039
00:44:12,319 --> 00:44:14,800
you to do everything you can to keep it

1040
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:21,190
and not let it fall back. Thanks.

1041
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:26,480
» Uh going to the Zoom room. Van Dan. Um

1042
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:28,720
Marartha, I'm sorry it's a long name,

1043
00:44:28,720 --> 00:44:30,560
but Van Dan we'll call.

1044
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:33,359
>> Hey there. Uh this is the this is Vonda

1045
00:44:33,359 --> 00:44:36,480
Mathur. I live up on Olanda Road. uh and

1046
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:39,200
I'm the representative for the road to

1047
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:42,240
the town. Uh I want to uh uh you know

1048
00:44:42,240 --> 00:44:43,839
thank the preparers of the budget for

1049
00:44:43,839 --> 00:44:46,240
taking into consideration uh the safety

1050
00:44:46,240 --> 00:44:49,599
issues on the top of our road. Um I

1051
00:44:49,599 --> 00:44:53,200
would like to though highlight that uh

1052
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:56,319
you know there has to be a continuous

1053
00:44:56,319 --> 00:44:59,280
solution to the safety issues uh on that

1054
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:01,760
segment of the road. Um, you know, we

1055
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:04,560
cannot have a situation where we have no

1056
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:07,359
light and no permanent solution to that

1057
00:45:07,359 --> 00:45:09,119
segment of the road. It's it's very

1058
00:45:09,119 --> 00:45:11,040
twisty. It's very narrow. It's been

1059
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:13,839
damaged. When a truck went over it, uh,

1060
00:45:13,839 --> 00:45:16,640
you can't see the oncoming traffic. Um,

1061
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:19,280
and so the stoplight has been absolutely

1062
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:21,920
a godsend. Uh, there's extremely strong

1063
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:24,720
support on the hill for it. uh and uh

1064
00:45:24,720 --> 00:45:26,560
not only on Old Honda Road, but also

1065
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:29,040
Skyline residents who uh many of them

1066
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:30,800
commute back and forth, take kids back

1067
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:33,520
and forth on the road for that light uh

1068
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:36,160
just because it was so treacherous uh

1069
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:37,839
previous to having the light and we're

1070
00:45:37,839 --> 00:45:40,400
very very grateful to have it. Um so

1071
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:42,880
although you know uh it it's great that

1072
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:45,200
there's a plan to clean up the shoulder.

1073
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:46,800
I mean I would point out that there is

1074
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:49,200
actually no shoulder. uh it's it's a

1075
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:52,000
steep cliff on one side that goes down

1076
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:54,000
and the other side is just a sheer wall

1077
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:55,920
going up and then you have this narrow

1078
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:57,760
road that's only 10 and a half ft in

1079
00:45:57,760 --> 00:45:59,440
places. So, you know, it's a one-way

1080
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:00,960
road where we're trying to have two-way

1081
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:03,280
traffic with limited visibility. So,

1082
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:04,880
although I think, you know, cleaning up

1083
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:06,640
the shoulder, cutting vegetation, I

1084
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:08,560
think those are all uh those are all

1085
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:09,839
very good things to try to improve

1086
00:46:09,839 --> 00:46:12,480
visibility, that alone I do not think

1087
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:14,640
will suffice to make that segment of the

1088
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:17,280
road safe. Uh so once that process is

1089
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:18,800
complete, I think we're still going to

1090
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:20,560
need to have a light until something

1091
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:23,280
more permanent is done with the road. Um

1092
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:25,520
whether that solution is the permanent

1093
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:27,280
light, which I can say, you know, over

1094
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:30,880
92% of people on on Skyline and over 82%

1095
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:33,520
of people on Oahu Road are strongly in

1096
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:36,720
favor of or a different solution. uh but

1097
00:46:36,720 --> 00:46:38,880
we cannot be left with you know nothing

1098
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:41,760
there uh that that uh you know does not

1099
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:44,480
manage the the safety risks um up on

1100
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:48,710
that part of the road.

1101
00:46:48,720 --> 00:46:54,470
» Thank you. Any other public comments?

1102
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:56,400
We can get you a microphone. Uh Miss

1103
00:46:56,400 --> 00:47:00,560
Gilbert. Thank you, Miss Luben.

1104
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:02,240
>> Uh it's for

1105
00:47:02,240 --> 00:47:04,319
>> we've got a large Zoom audience tonight.

1106
00:47:04,319 --> 00:47:05,839
So yeah,

1107
00:47:05,839 --> 00:47:08,160
>> I want to talk about Olive Hill Lane

1108
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:11,520
just for a few minutes. It's a it's a

1109
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:16,319
very not very wide road and it's really

1110
00:47:16,319 --> 00:47:18,960
getting really heavy duty people walking

1111
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:22,240
down the middle and I think the town at

1112
00:47:22,240 --> 00:47:24,880
some point had put done something on the

1113
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:26,720
sides because there is some space on the

1114
00:47:26,720 --> 00:47:30,079
sides that they did something where

1115
00:47:30,079 --> 00:47:32,720
people could walk if they wanted. Well,

1116
00:47:32,720 --> 00:47:34,880
I guess they don't like to do that, but

1117
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:38,720
um it's not safe at all. And it's

1118
00:47:38,720 --> 00:47:40,800
getting worse because it's become a

1119
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:42,720
place where people think, "Oh, it's not

1120
00:47:42,720 --> 00:47:47,520
too busy here." Oh, yeah, it is. So, um

1121
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:49,599
we come down off of our driveway. We're

1122
00:47:49,599 --> 00:47:52,640
at the corner of Albian and Olive Hill.

1123
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:54,880
And you know, we're we're like going

1124
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:56,560
really slow because we know what we've

1125
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:58,720
been seeing lately. People are coming

1126
00:47:58,720 --> 00:48:01,520
zooming around like coming from downtown

1127
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:04,079
coming up and windy windy and then

1128
00:48:04,079 --> 00:48:05,839
you're going to oh yay let's go down

1129
00:48:05,839 --> 00:48:08,400
here it's not good and now we're going

1130
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:11,520
into some good weather hopefully and um

1131
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:14,400
people will be trying to walk more and

1132
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:17,119
I'm concerned that someone I would like

1133
00:48:17,119 --> 00:48:19,920
to see someone from the town go down and

1134
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:23,839
check out what was built or added to

1135
00:48:23,839 --> 00:48:27,520
down the sides that were dirt but They

1136
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:29,920
put I don't know stones or not stones

1137
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:32,000
but plat plat something was there that

1138
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:34,640
you could not have to walk on the road

1139
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:37,040
>> that's all. So somebody's going to get

1140
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:39,440
hit there cuz I've seen it several times

1141
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:41,520
and so we come out of our driveway and

1142
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:44,880
we're like you we look very carefully

1143
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:47,839
and uh unless somebody we don't like

1144
00:48:47,839 --> 00:48:50,160
comes there then we'll just you know run

1145
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:51,440
them over.

1146
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:52,559
>> Okay.

1147
00:48:52,559 --> 00:48:54,559
>> Thank you. And I see Lewis shaking his

1148
00:48:54,559 --> 00:48:56,240
head that he'll go do a spot check

1149
00:48:56,240 --> 00:48:59,750
there. So

1150
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:01,599
» there is a trail on the side of the

1151
00:49:01,599 --> 00:49:02,720
road.

1152
00:49:02,720 --> 00:49:04,240
>> Please follow it.

1153
00:49:04,240 --> 00:49:08,079
>> Okay. Any other public comments

1154
00:49:08,079 --> 00:49:10,000
on the budget? We will close public

1155
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:13,119
comment and open any deliberation. I

1156
00:49:13,119 --> 00:49:15,200
tried my best to capture the direction

1157
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:17,680
that was given. I can try, but go ahead.

1158
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:19,920
If you anybody would like to speak on an

1159
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:20,559
issue,

1160
00:49:20,559 --> 00:49:23,040
>> I can deliberate and propose what

1161
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:27,200
direction I think should be given. Um,

1162
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:29,760
so maybe I'll start with the

1163
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:34,400
recommendations for um increased process

1164
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:37,359
controls that we heard from Miss George.

1165
00:49:37,359 --> 00:49:41,599
Um, so I would be very much in support

1166
00:49:41,599 --> 00:49:44,800
of the council giving direction to um to

1167
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:48,319
Melissa to follow up on I I think I've

1168
00:49:48,319 --> 00:49:51,280
noted four recommendations. Um, so

1169
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:55,280
improvements to our contract process.

1170
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:57,119
um which included making sure that

1171
00:49:57,119 --> 00:50:00,160
there's not a gap between the contract

1172
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:03,119
execution and the funding um and that we

1173
00:50:03,119 --> 00:50:04,960
need a better process to ensure that

1174
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:07,119
funds are available.

1175
00:50:07,119 --> 00:50:09,040
Um

1176
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:12,240
second um would be improved contract

1177
00:50:12,240 --> 00:50:14,079
management. So we need to make sure that

1178
00:50:14,079 --> 00:50:16,480
deadlines are followed, that end dates

1179
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:18,960
are also followed. And I really like the

1180
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:21,760
idea of getting um I think Susan, you

1181
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:24,319
refer to it as a as a contract admin

1182
00:50:24,319 --> 00:50:26,319
module. I think that's probably like a

1183
00:50:26,319 --> 00:50:29,760
um like just a contract management tool.

1184
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:32,800
Um I think that would be um really

1185
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:36,880
important given what we've learned. Um I

1186
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:39,280
think we need to um follow up on the

1187
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:40,880
recommendation to have more regular

1188
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:42,480
reporting to the town council. We

1189
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:44,480
already have quarterly reporting. I I'd

1190
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:46,319
like to understand like you know how

1191
00:50:46,319 --> 00:50:49,680
frequent what would be in that report um

1192
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:52,880
and perhaps um we could augment the

1193
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:54,800
reporting to not just include kind of

1194
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:57,599
the the numbers around the budget but

1195
00:50:57,599 --> 00:51:00,160
also reporting on the controls and

1196
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:03,040
processes that are in place to um

1197
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:04,800
support the numbers right the contract

1198
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:07,599
management um the department budgeting

1199
00:51:07,599 --> 00:51:11,359
all of that um and I also think um

1200
00:51:11,359 --> 00:51:13,359
regular involvement of the department

1201
00:51:13,359 --> 00:51:15,040
heads would be really important. And I

1202
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:17,440
think um one thing that we haven't done

1203
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:21,920
very well um is have um a strategic plan

1204
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:25,040
with strategic goals. Um I think you

1205
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:26,160
know that's something that I've been

1206
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:28,640
advocating for for a number of years and

1207
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:30,480
I think that flows down to the

1208
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:32,880
department heads as well. I think um

1209
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:35,680
department heads should have um you know

1210
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:38,800
goals that flow up to the town's

1211
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:41,119
strategic goals and that their budget

1212
00:51:41,119 --> 00:51:43,520
would be in service of those goals. So I

1213
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:47,680
think um I would see that as part of the involvement of the department

1214
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:50,400
head. So that's the direction I would

1215
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:53,920
get that I would give um to follow up on

1216
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:55,520
the recommendations that we heard from

1217
00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:59,920
Miss George. And I would love to to

1218
00:51:59,920 --> 00:52:01,520
hear about what's being done rather

1219
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:03,760
soon. So I don't know um whether we

1220
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:07,359
could get a report back um

1221
00:52:07,359 --> 00:52:09,119
you know before we conclude for the

1222
00:52:09,119 --> 00:52:12,000
August recess. Um so just to kind of

1223
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:13,680
hear what progress has been made before

1224
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:17,839
we adjourn for the summer. Um on the

1225
00:52:17,839 --> 00:52:21,920
specific budget items um I think I think

1226
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:23,280
it's really important that we have

1227
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:25,280
continuous traffic control at old La

1228
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:27,119
Honda Road. I think people that drive

1229
00:52:27,119 --> 00:52:28,640
that road that live up there have become

1230
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:30,000
accustomed to having that traffic

1231
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:32,640
control. So it is very expensive and I'm

1232
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:34,400
very supportive of finding a more

1233
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:36,079
cost-effective permanent solution. But I

1234
00:52:36,079 --> 00:52:38,079
don't I I don't think we can have a gap.

1235
00:52:38,079 --> 00:52:39,599
I think that would that would create

1236
00:52:39,599 --> 00:52:43,599
some um not great safety problems. Um

1237
00:52:43,599 --> 00:52:45,599
and I'd like to understand like you know

1238
00:52:45,599 --> 00:52:49,680
when will we hear more about the um the

1239
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:51,599
permanent solutions that are that are

1240
00:52:51,599 --> 00:52:52,880
being proposed? Is that something that

1241
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:54,800
we'll hear about again before the summer

1242
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:56,480
recess before the end of the year? Like

1243
00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:58,240
I think it'd be great to understand

1244
00:52:58,240 --> 00:53:01,680
that. Um I would give direction to come

1245
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:03,520
back with us with a proposal around the

1246
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:05,599
defensible space program including you

1247
00:53:05,599 --> 00:53:07,440
know an an a legal analysis. Is it

1248
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:09,440
indeed legal? Um, and what our options

1249
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:11,839
are. Can we cap it? Can we, you know,

1250
00:53:11,839 --> 00:53:13,760
make a sliding scale so people more in

1251
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:14,880
need get more? Like, I'm sure there's

1252
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:16,079
lots of ways we could make it more

1253
00:53:16,079 --> 00:53:18,160
affordable. Um, so I would give that

1254
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:20,720
direction. Love the idea from council

1255
00:53:20,720 --> 00:53:23,040
member Brown to create um a task force

1256
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:25,040
on the sheriff. I I know we had an ad

1257
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:26,319
hoc committee on the sheriff contract,

1258
00:53:26,319 --> 00:53:28,800
but I think um a new committee that

1259
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:31,040
really kind of digs into what value are

1260
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:33,760
we getting? Um how are we getting

1261
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:35,280
reports from the sheriff? You know,

1262
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:37,200
that's, you know, like council member

1263
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:38,640
Gold pointed out, it's like our number

1264
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:41,200
one line item. And we don't hear very

1265
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:42,960
regularly from the sheriff. And I think

1266
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:44,800
a committee could also look into

1267
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:46,480
alternatives. I know Atheton has its own

1268
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:48,800
police force. You know, I I I'd be

1269
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:50,720
curious if that potentially could be an

1270
00:53:50,720 --> 00:53:53,440
option for Woodside. So, um would

1271
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:55,599
propose that direction and coming back

1272
00:53:55,599 --> 00:53:57,920
again rather soon to hear kind of what

1273
00:53:57,920 --> 00:53:59,760
could be done.

1274
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:05,920
um on Kite Hill. Um I I uh walk it all

1275
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:07,680
the time. I think it's a amazing

1276
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:09,200
resource. I think Craig has done an

1277
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:11,280
absolutely amazing job, but it is

1278
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:13,760
expensive. And so I think um I think we

1279
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:15,359
need to take a fresh look at, you know,

1280
00:54:15,359 --> 00:54:17,200
how can we maintain it as a wonderful

1281
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:18,720
resource? How can we continue to have

1282
00:54:18,720 --> 00:54:22,160
Craig involved? Um but also, you know,

1283
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:23,839
look at what the town crew could

1284
00:54:23,839 --> 00:54:26,079
potentially do. I think an RFP is a

1285
00:54:26,079 --> 00:54:27,359
really good idea. I think getting a

1286
00:54:27,359 --> 00:54:28,800
contract in place. It sounds like that's

1287
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:30,960
something that we need to clean up. Um,

1288
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:32,800
so it would give the direction to to

1289
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:34,480
look at that and come back to us with a

1290
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:36,000
proposal.

1291
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:37,920
And

1292
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:43,589
I think that is it.

1293
00:54:43,599 --> 00:54:45,520
» I'll jump in. The other the other two

1294
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:49,200
were to um consider whether we should

1295
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:50,800
start hitting the PARs account for a

1296
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:52,400
couple hundred grand a year to help with

1297
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:55,200
the budget and um

1298
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:58,000
uh and then proposal around credit card

1299
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:02,160
fee recapture was also mentioned. Um

1300
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:04,720
that should be an easy one. Um I'll just

1301
00:55:04,720 --> 00:55:05,920
mention on the sheriff's contract

1302
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:07,599
obviously I mean not obviously it would

1303
00:55:07,599 --> 00:55:09,520
be hard to afford our own police force.

1304
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:11,119
So we do have a monopoly provider

1305
00:55:11,119 --> 00:55:13,680
situation and that will potentially

1306
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:15,680
complicate things but yes we can of

1307
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:17,599
course look at what people want to do.

1308
00:55:17,599 --> 00:55:21,839
Um and I think that otherwise uh council

1309
00:55:21,839 --> 00:55:24,880
member wall was as usual very thorough.

1310
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:28,160
So um any other direction or do people

1311
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:30,559
generally agree with the direction uh

1312
00:55:30,559 --> 00:55:33,040
and augmented direction?

1313
00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:36,160
>> generally agree.

1314
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:36,480
>> Okay.

1315
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:38,880
>> I do have a couple to make. Oh, I'm

1316
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:40,960
sorry.

1317
00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:44,000
>> Um, so some of these are easy and simple

1318
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:46,160
and I think that

1319
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:49,040
sounds like we're we're um consensus

1320
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:50,640
here on the implementation of these and

1321
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:53,920
I would say hopefully we can green light

1322
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:55,839
those tonight. One of them is the

1323
00:55:55,839 --> 00:55:58,319
process uh changes that uh council

1324
00:55:58,319 --> 00:56:00,000
member Wall referred to. I think that's

1325
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:02,240
a pretty easy one. Get the module for

1326
00:56:02,240 --> 00:56:03,760
contract controls and let's get that

1327
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:05,680
done. Um I feel the same way about

1328
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:07,280
credit card charges. they should, you

1329
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:08,880
know, it's it's pretty rare these days

1330
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:11,119
that I don't make a a large credit card,

1331
00:56:11,119 --> 00:56:13,119
especially to the even the state when

1332
00:56:13,119 --> 00:56:14,960
you pay your income taxes if it doesn't

1333
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:17,359
come out of your bank account. Um, they

1334
00:56:17,359 --> 00:56:19,359
charge you a fee for that. So, I think

1335
00:56:19,359 --> 00:56:21,200
implementing a fee for credit card use

1336
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:24,160
to recover at least 25 to 30 grand or

1337
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:25,680
something like that. I think those are

1338
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:28,799
pretty easy, too. Um,

1339
00:56:28,799 --> 00:56:30,960
and I also think that the departmental

1340
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:33,680
input that was referred to before as

1341
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:35,760
sort of a good administrative practice

1342
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:38,000
should be implemented as quickly as

1343
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:39,119
possible. I don't think those are

1344
00:56:39,119 --> 00:56:41,119
necessarily we need to agendaize any of

1345
00:56:41,119 --> 00:56:44,160
those issues. Just do them. I think um

1346
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:45,920
especially since there's consensus. The

1347
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:47,760
ones that I think do need agenda

1348
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:50,079
agendaizing would be the defensible

1349
00:56:50,079 --> 00:56:52,160
space program because we do need to get

1350
00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:54,160
input from the public on that if we're

1351
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:55,760
going to change the rules, which I think

1352
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:58,000
we probably should. Uh, and of course

1353
00:56:58,000 --> 00:56:59,599
the traffic light at Old La Honda Road,

1354
00:56:59,599 --> 00:57:01,599
that's a big expense. it affects a lot

1355
00:57:01,599 --> 00:57:04,240
of people and I think that um that

1356
00:57:04,240 --> 00:57:06,240
probably requires a public hearing and

1357
00:57:06,240 --> 00:57:09,119
gives Lewis enough time to get his his

1358
00:57:09,119 --> 00:57:10,799
plans lined up there about what budgets

1359
00:57:10,799 --> 00:57:12,000
are going what it's going to cost and

1360
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:14,079
the timing of that and we can allocate

1361
00:57:14,079 --> 00:57:15,520
the funds to make sure that it happens

1362
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:17,680
because I think it's essential as

1363
00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:21,599
everyone has said um Kite Hill I'm I'm

1364
00:57:21,599 --> 00:57:23,200
certainly concerned about that whether

1365
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:25,119
the town does it or whether we you know

1366
00:57:25,119 --> 00:57:26,720
there's nothing to say we can't I know

1367
00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:29,119
it's a $60,000 request we could cap it

1368
00:57:29,119 --> 00:57:31,280
at 50 or something like that too. But I

1369
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:32,720
think we ultimately may have to make a

1370
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:34,799
change because the gentleman who does it

1371
00:57:34,799 --> 00:57:38,799
won't be doing it forever. And we're ultimately going to have to make

1372
00:57:38,799 --> 00:57:42,079
some um accommodation for future use of

1373
00:57:42,079 --> 00:57:43,599
that and future maintenance of it, which

1374
00:57:43,599 --> 00:57:46,079
I certainly support. Um the one that

1375
00:57:46,079 --> 00:57:47,839
actually has the longest timeline, which

1376
00:57:47,839 --> 00:57:50,000
probably is the least urgent as far as

1377
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:51,680
I'm concerned, is the sheriff's

1378
00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:54,000
contract. It's the biggest hit, but also

1379
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:56,160
we just signed the contract and we've

1380
00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:58,400
got time to run here and we are being

1381
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:00,640
covered. And um there's not a whole lot

1382
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:02,640
we can do about it for the coming

1383
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:05,280
however many you know months or years um

1384
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:06,960
it is. But I do think we need to look

1385
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:09,200
into it and see about um better managing

1386
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:12,160
that system. We've talked before about

1387
00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:15,280
how often the deputies are here and what

1388
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:16,640
they're actually doing and to see if

1389
00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:18,079
we're getting our money's worth or if

1390
00:58:18,079 --> 00:58:20,079
they're elsewhere and not. I happen to

1391
00:58:20,079 --> 00:58:21,920
be pretty happy with the sheriff's

1392
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:24,559
department performance, but um you know,

1393
00:58:24,559 --> 00:58:26,799
there's a uh a management issue here and

1394
00:58:26,799 --> 00:58:29,040
a fiduciary responsibility we have to

1395
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:31,359
make sure we're getting our $3.6 million

1396
00:58:31,359 --> 00:58:33,280
worth uh from the deputies and from the

1397
00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:35,440
sheriff's department. Um but I think

1398
00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:37,520
that if we put together a subcommittee

1399
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:39,680
to kind of take a look at it and look at

1400
00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:41,440
other alternatives and things like that,

1401
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:43,119
I'm not sure that they're viable, but I

1402
00:58:43,119 --> 00:58:45,760
I'm certainly not opposed to looking

1403
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:47,760
into them. But coming up with that and

1404
00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:49,599
seeing if there are things we could do.

1405
00:58:49,599 --> 00:58:51,440
Um, we've talked about we used to share

1406
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:53,200
it with Portola Valley and maybe get

1407
00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:55,520
some sort of a a bigger discount. Maybe

1408
00:58:55,520 --> 00:58:57,839
we could expand that to other cities

1409
00:58:57,839 --> 00:58:59,599
that that use the sheriff services like

1410
00:58:59,599 --> 00:59:01,280
San Carlos. I just don't know. But I

1411
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:02,720
think that that's something that a

1412
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:04,160
committee could look into. It's a much

1413
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:06,400
longer term project and certainly less

1414
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:08,079
urgent.

1415
00:59:08,079 --> 00:59:10,799
>> Thank you.

1416
00:59:10,799 --> 00:59:13,119
Council Member Abberish.

1417
00:59:13,119 --> 00:59:15,280
>> Yes. Uh, I think I I mean I'm so far I'm

1418
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:16,960
in agreement with everything everyone

1419
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:20,079
said. Uh, I think old La Honda, excuse

1420
00:59:20,079 --> 00:59:22,319
me, needs to be a top priority to keep

1421
00:59:22,319 --> 00:59:25,359
that light running at all times. Um, I

1422
00:59:25,359 --> 00:59:27,359
think if if we don't have it, I think

1423
00:59:27,359 --> 00:59:29,359
there is a real risk of a serious

1424
00:59:29,359 --> 00:59:31,599
accident and somebody, you know, going

1425
00:59:31,599 --> 00:59:33,280
off the cliff. I know the last time it

1426
00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:36,079
happened there was a a tow truck uh that

1427
00:59:36,079 --> 00:59:37,520
went off the edge and I remember seeing

1428
00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:39,680
the vehicle there and luckily nobody I

1429
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:42,079
think was injured severely but you know

1430
00:59:42,079 --> 00:59:44,880
if it happened again I would hate to see

1431
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:47,040
it. So um yeah but I think we're all in

1432
00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:49,200
agreement hopefully on that and um I

1433
00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:51,359
agree that I I would be very interested

1434
00:59:51,359 --> 00:59:52,799
in seeing what the alternatives are if

1435
00:59:52,799 --> 00:59:55,680
the road could be expanded you know but

1436
00:59:55,680 --> 00:59:57,520
um in some way that would where we'd

1437
00:59:57,520 --> 00:59:58,799
have actually have two lanes or

1438
00:59:58,799 --> 01:00:01,040
something. So uh thank you Lewis for

1439
01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:04,960
that. um for the sheriff. Uh this, you

1440
01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:06,640
know, I it came up when we were

1441
01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:08,400
negotiating the contract that I remember

1442
01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:10,799
we we talked about it. Um the same

1443
01:00:10,799 --> 01:00:14,160
points that that Dick was raising that

1444
01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:17,520
um you know, are we are we overspending?

1445
01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:20,799
Is there and I is is there some place

1446
01:00:20,799 --> 01:00:24,079
to, you know, rightsize this? Um because

1447
01:00:24,079 --> 01:00:25,680
I think we currently have more police

1448
01:00:25,680 --> 01:00:27,119
force than Portol Valley even though

1449
01:00:27,119 --> 01:00:29,760
we're about the same size. Um, and so I

1450
01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:31,359
think I agree that it would make sense

1451
01:00:31,359 --> 01:00:34,480
to have a task force look at options of

1452
01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:36,160
either, you know, seeing if we could

1453
01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:38,160
share a contract with Porto Valley if we

1454
01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:42,000
if it makes sense to uh, you know,

1455
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:44,000
reduce I don't do we need it do we have

1456
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:46,400
an do we need the extra motorcycle? Do

1457
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:49,440
we um could we move resources around to

1458
01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:51,280
where they're being utilized at the

1459
01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:53,200
right times instead of you know like I

1460
01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:56,400
think right now the extra uh sheriff's

1461
01:00:56,400 --> 01:00:58,319
deputies like sometime during the middle

1462
01:00:58,319 --> 01:00:59,520
of the week which I don't know if we

1463
01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:01,599
really need that maybe if we cut it down

1464
01:01:01,599 --> 01:01:02,880
to one and had them one more one more

1465
01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:05,359
weekend or I'm not sure but I think

1466
01:01:05,359 --> 01:01:07,440
totally worth exploring and I agree

1467
01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:09,440
that's the biggest

1468
01:01:09,440 --> 01:01:12,799
u obviously that's the biggest uh single

1469
01:01:12,799 --> 01:01:14,559
item. Yeah, I mean it seems like we're

1470
01:01:14,559 --> 01:01:16,559
all aligned that that a task force on

1471
01:01:16,559 --> 01:01:19,359
the sheriff's services is a good idea. I

1472
01:01:19,359 --> 01:01:22,160
mean, we can form a task force tonight.

1473
01:01:22,160 --> 01:01:27,839
I certainly would love to be involved in just evaluating the services and um

1474
01:01:27,839 --> 01:01:30,400
seeing if we can, you know, seeing to

1475
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:31,920
make sure that we're getting the value

1476
01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:35,119
that um that we deserve out of our

1477
01:01:35,119 --> 01:01:38,880
biggest number one line item. Um so,

1478
01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:41,280
could we form that task force? I don't

1479
01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:42,960
think we need to to wait on that if

1480
01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:45,680
everyone's in support.

1481
01:01:45,680 --> 01:01:47,520
>> I'll just I'll just mention when we

1482
01:01:47,520 --> 01:01:49,680
looked at this last go around, we also

1483
01:01:49,680 --> 01:01:51,920
ran into

1484
01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:54,319
um I wouldn't call it union issues, but

1485
01:01:54,319 --> 01:01:56,400
when you have a motorcycle and you have

1486
01:01:56,400 --> 01:01:57,680
to cover a certain amount of time, you

1487
01:01:57,680 --> 01:01:59,520
actually need basically two motorcycles.

1488
01:01:59,520 --> 01:02:00,960
And we were trying to see if we get flex

1489
01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:02,799
up time on the weekends when you know

1490
01:02:02,799 --> 01:02:05,839
everybody comes into town or not. And we

1491
01:02:05,839 --> 01:02:07,440
got shot down pretty hard by the

1492
01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:08,720
sheriff's department on that at that

1493
01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:10,880
time. But yeah, I mean, I'm I'm glad to

1494
01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:12,640
hear that you're interested. Is there

1495
01:02:12,640 --> 01:02:14,559
any We can We can have a two-person task

1496
01:02:14,559 --> 01:02:15,920
force if there's anyone else that would

1497
01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:19,359
be interested. Um, is there anyone

1498
01:02:19,359 --> 01:02:21,119
interested in being on that task force

1499
01:02:21,119 --> 01:02:22,880
with Council Member Wall?

1500
01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:25,040
>> Be happy to do it.

1501
01:02:25,040 --> 01:02:25,920
>> Great.

1502
01:02:25,920 --> 01:02:28,000
>> Okay. Well, then we will uh we can

1503
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:29,520
certainly make that motion in a minute.

1504
01:02:29,520 --> 01:02:31,280
I'll just mention the Kite Hill thing

1505
01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:33,200
just to also comment on the public

1506
01:02:33,200 --> 01:02:35,760
comment on that. For me personally, I

1507
01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:37,680
don't have a problem with the 60K. I

1508
01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:38,960
have a problem with the overage. So,

1509
01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:40,400
it's almost like it's again it's a

1510
01:02:40,400 --> 01:02:41,839
contract management issue and that's as

1511
01:02:41,839 --> 01:02:43,680
much on us as the provider. I I don't

1512
01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:45,200
think we were giving guidance and I

1513
01:02:45,200 --> 01:02:48,880
think um I mean it's one thing to spend

1514
01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:50,799
60, it's another thing to be 70% over

1515
01:02:50,799 --> 01:02:52,799
budget at 100 and be surprised by it.

1516
01:02:52,799 --> 01:02:55,599
And um so I do think it's really a

1517
01:02:55,599 --> 01:02:57,359
contract management issue more than more

1518
01:02:57,359 --> 01:03:00,640
than anything. Um and if we could

1519
01:03:00,640 --> 01:03:03,440
I think that is a you know I think about

1520
01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:05,200
what landscaping costs and so forth. And

1521
01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:06,799
I know this is a higher end situation

1522
01:03:06,799 --> 01:03:09,839
than that, but I know it's 14 acres, but

1523
01:03:09,839 --> 01:03:11,359
um

1524
01:03:11,359 --> 01:03:13,520
it does seem very very high and we've

1525
01:03:13,520 --> 01:03:15,359
gotten a lot of public comment on that

1526
01:03:15,359 --> 01:03:17,520
uh over time. Uh just to emphasize even

1527
01:03:17,520 --> 01:03:19,200
Miss Hansen's comments recently on that

1528
01:03:19,200 --> 01:03:22,079
item. Um

1529
01:03:22,079 --> 01:03:24,640
okay. Um do you have the direction you

1530
01:03:24,640 --> 01:03:26,640
need from us except for this task force

1531
01:03:26,640 --> 01:03:28,559
ad hoc task force issue?

1532
01:03:28,559 --> 01:03:31,839
>> Yes, I do. I have uh increased process

1533
01:03:31,839 --> 01:03:34,319
controls and come back with to council

1534
01:03:34,319 --> 01:03:36,240
soon before the August recess to hear

1535
01:03:36,240 --> 01:03:37,760
what has been put in place and what's

1536
01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:39,839
coming forward. Old Honda we need to

1537
01:03:39,839 --> 01:03:41,440
agendaize to hear about additional

1538
01:03:41,440 --> 01:03:43,680
proposals as far as road in road

1539
01:03:43,680 --> 01:03:46,480
expansion or cleanup options defensible

1540
01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:48,400
space bring back a revised program and

1541
01:03:48,400 --> 01:03:50,720
agendaize that uh which will include a

1542
01:03:50,720 --> 01:03:53,280
legal analysis um and discuss different

1543
01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:56,799
options as far as cap sliding scale etc.

1544
01:03:56,799 --> 01:04:01,200
And then um we can bring forward uh

1545
01:04:01,200 --> 01:04:03,039
research on the PARS account if you'd

1546
01:04:03,039 --> 01:04:04,640
like that to come forward. And then the

1547
01:04:04,640 --> 01:04:06,000
credit card fee we would bring forward

1548
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:08,000
to council to um review the options for

1549
01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:08,720
that as well.

1550
01:04:08,720 --> 01:04:10,319
>> Okay. Some of those might make their way

1551
01:04:10,319 --> 01:04:12,319
on to consent but yeah and others won't.

1552
01:04:12,319 --> 01:04:16,160
Um and Gene this idea of tonight forming

1553
01:04:16,160 --> 01:04:18,079
a it's a non-aggendaized item. Can we

1554
01:04:18,079 --> 01:04:19,920
just do it? It's a minority group of the

1555
01:04:19,920 --> 01:04:21,119
council and we can

1556
01:04:21,119 --> 01:04:21,839
>> Yes, you may.

1557
01:04:21,839 --> 01:04:23,440
>> We need a vote on it or can we just say

1558
01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:25,200
that that was the direction given? you

1559
01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:26,400
can just give that direction.

1560
01:04:26,400 --> 01:04:30,880
>> Okay, direction given. Um, okay.

1561
01:04:30,880 --> 01:04:32,160
Anything else that we need to talk about

1562
01:04:32,160 --> 01:04:35,750
on the budget?

1563
01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:36,400
» Thank you.

1564
01:04:36,400 --> 01:04:38,079
very much and thank you for

1565
01:04:38,079 --> 01:04:39,520
leaning in during this time. We

1566
01:04:39,520 --> 01:04:42,880
appreciate it very much.

1567
01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:46,720
>> Okay, we will close item B. And uh we

1568
01:04:46,720 --> 01:04:48,720
didn't lose a single Zoom attendee, so

1569
01:04:48,720 --> 01:04:50,160
there's a lot of interest in this next

1570
01:04:50,160 --> 01:04:52,640
topic. Uh so back to old business. This

1571
01:04:52,640 --> 01:04:55,039
is a continuation from the April 28th

1572
01:04:55,039 --> 01:04:57,839
meeting uh on the items we didn't get to

1573
01:04:57,839 --> 01:04:59,680
like parking and land use and gathering

1574
01:04:59,680 --> 01:05:02,640
spaces. So, um

1575
01:05:02,640 --> 01:05:05,039
uh Sage, do I hand this off to you or do

1576
01:05:05,039 --> 01:05:07,280
we hand it directly off to these folks?

1577
01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:09,680
>> We're going to you just captured it

1578
01:05:09,680 --> 01:05:10,960
correctly. Is the continuation of the

1579
01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:13,520
item and we're going to show it over to Roy and Aaron.

1580
01:05:13,520 --> 01:05:37,910
>> Very good. Welcome back.

1581
01:05:37,920 --> 01:05:42,079
Yeah, I think we're just going to take a twominut break. We just adjourn for

1582
01:05:42,079 --> 01:05:43,599
two minutes. Looks like we've lost a

1583
01:05:43,599 --> 01:05:46,799
council member or two here for a second.

1584
01:05:46,799 --> 01:05:50,000
>> Okay. Uh Troy, we'll hand it off to you.

1585
01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:51,039
My understanding is we're going to go

1586
01:05:51,039 --> 01:05:53,039
through your full presentation, then

1587
01:05:53,039 --> 01:05:56,480
open up public comment and um well,

1588
01:05:56,480 --> 01:05:57,839
we'll ask questions and then open up

1589
01:05:57,839 --> 01:05:59,280
public comment and so forth, but the

1590
01:05:59,280 --> 01:06:02,319
entire presentation at once versus um

1591
01:06:02,319 --> 01:06:05,039
section by section. It sounds good to

1592
01:06:05,039 --> 01:06:06,640
me.

1593
01:06:06,640 --> 01:06:09,440
All right. So, uh good evening, council

1594
01:06:09,440 --> 01:06:10,799
members. Good to see you all again.

1595
01:06:10,799 --> 01:06:13,119
Pleased to be back um to talk again

1596
01:06:13,119 --> 01:06:17,599
about the town center area plan update.

1597
01:06:17,599 --> 01:06:19,760
So, as you know, tonight is the

1598
01:06:19,760 --> 01:06:22,240
continuation of the meeting that we had

1599
01:06:22,240 --> 01:06:24,480
on uh in late April where we really

1600
01:06:24,480 --> 01:06:26,000
focused the whole conversation on

1601
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:28,559
transportation. Um so, tonight we'll

1602
01:06:28,559 --> 01:06:30,640
cover the remaining three topics just as

1603
01:06:30,640 --> 01:06:32,880
important. Um we'll talk about some

1604
01:06:32,880 --> 01:06:34,640
concepts, some strategies and policies

1605
01:06:34,640 --> 01:06:37,039
for parking, land use, and public

1606
01:06:37,039 --> 01:06:38,400
spaces.

1607
01:06:38,400 --> 01:06:40,400
um these ideas and these concepts they

1608
01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:42,880
really emerged collectively from our

1609
01:06:42,880 --> 01:06:45,520
process so far from our team from the

1610
01:06:45,520 --> 01:06:47,200
staff the community and the CAC. So

1611
01:06:47,200 --> 01:06:49,920
we've really compiled all these ideas.

1612
01:06:49,920 --> 01:06:52,319
Um so just as a kind of context setting

1613
01:06:52,319 --> 01:06:53,839
for tonight we're we're looking for

1614
01:06:53,839 --> 01:06:55,760
council to provide us with preliminary

1615
01:06:55,760 --> 01:06:58,000
direction on these strategies as you did

1616
01:06:58,000 --> 01:07:00,559
on the last meeting um before we go

1617
01:07:00,559 --> 01:07:03,599
ahead and share these ideas um with the

1618
01:07:03,599 --> 01:07:04,960
community as part of our next phase of

1619
01:07:04,960 --> 01:07:07,200
engagement. So, try to keep in mind that

1620
01:07:07,200 --> 01:07:08,880
this isn't our final decision-making

1621
01:07:08,880 --> 01:07:10,960
point. We want to, you know, kind of

1622
01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:12,559
remain open-minded as we're going

1623
01:07:12,559 --> 01:07:15,039
through this plan update process. Um,

1624
01:07:15,039 --> 01:07:16,799
but we're really looking for council to

1625
01:07:16,799 --> 01:07:19,440
give us really additional important

1626
01:07:19,440 --> 01:07:21,440
additional context and concerns and

1627
01:07:21,440 --> 01:07:23,920
considerations um that pertain to these

1628
01:07:23,920 --> 01:07:25,760
strategies before we go ahead and sort

1629
01:07:25,760 --> 01:07:28,240
of roll them out for the broader um

1630
01:07:28,240 --> 01:07:31,039
community. So, I'll go ahead and go

1631
01:07:31,039 --> 01:07:32,960
through these three topics and then as

1632
01:07:32,960 --> 01:07:35,039
the mayor said, we'll pause for comment

1633
01:07:35,039 --> 01:07:38,400
and then we'll look for discussion. Um,

1634
01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:40,720
so I'll really jump right into it

1635
01:07:40,720 --> 01:07:42,160
tonight. The only thing I'll kind of

1636
01:07:42,160 --> 01:07:44,799
preface with is just this slide about

1637
01:07:44,799 --> 01:07:46,640
key outcomes just as kind of a

1638
01:07:46,640 --> 01:07:50,000
refresher. Um, kind of set ourselves in

1639
01:07:50,000 --> 01:07:51,359
the mindset of what we want to get out

1640
01:07:51,359 --> 01:07:54,480
of this process. Um, and really the in a

1641
01:07:54,480 --> 01:07:56,240
lot of ways the first one is is kind of

1642
01:07:56,240 --> 01:07:59,359
the goal is a a a consensus building

1643
01:07:59,359 --> 01:08:01,200
effort around a shared vision and then

1644
01:08:01,200 --> 01:08:03,119
everything else 2 through 12 is kind of

1645
01:08:03,119 --> 01:08:04,799
an implementation a detail of that

1646
01:08:04,799 --> 01:08:07,520
vision. Um, but this is really a

1647
01:08:07,520 --> 01:08:09,359
visioning process that will result in a

1648
01:08:09,359 --> 01:08:12,880
policy and vision document. So let's

1649
01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:15,280
jump into parking. Um, a really hot

1650
01:08:15,280 --> 01:08:18,319
topic. Um, we heard a lot about it in

1651
01:08:18,319 --> 01:08:21,120
our popups, our stakeholder meetings, in

1652
01:08:21,120 --> 01:08:23,359
the survey. It was um constant

1653
01:08:23,359 --> 01:08:26,080
conversation about parking. What are the

1654
01:08:26,080 --> 01:08:28,319
issues with parking that we heard? Um

1655
01:08:28,319 --> 01:08:30,239
the bottom line is that there's not

1656
01:08:30,239 --> 01:08:32,799
enough parking in the town center during

1657
01:08:32,799 --> 01:08:35,120
certain times of day. These peaks are

1658
01:08:35,120 --> 01:08:38,400
usually the lunch times and longer times

1659
01:08:38,400 --> 01:08:40,239
on the weekends.

1660
01:08:40,239 --> 01:08:43,440
The parking in the townowned or public

1661
01:08:43,440 --> 01:08:45,839
lots is not managed, which is to say

1662
01:08:45,839 --> 01:08:48,400
there's not a time limit or an

1663
01:08:48,400 --> 01:08:51,679
enforcement um mechanism or enforcement

1664
01:08:51,679 --> 01:08:55,120
body. The on street parking that used to

1665
01:08:55,120 --> 01:08:58,159
be on Woodside Road was removed by CALR,

1666
01:08:58,159 --> 01:09:00,400
which you know reduced the supply in the

1667
01:09:00,400 --> 01:09:02,080
town centers.

1668
01:09:02,080 --> 01:09:03,600
folks who work at some of the business

1669
01:09:03,600 --> 01:09:05,920
in the town centers park in parking

1670
01:09:05,920 --> 01:09:08,159
spaces here which is understandable but

1671
01:09:08,159 --> 01:09:11,199
contributes again to the supply issue.

1672
01:09:11,199 --> 01:09:13,359
uh we don't have any public transit or

1673
01:09:13,359 --> 01:09:16,239
any type of a circulator or shuttle um

1674
01:09:16,239 --> 01:09:17,920
as an alternative means to get to the

1675
01:09:17,920 --> 01:09:20,960
town center. And an issue that we heard

1676
01:09:20,960 --> 01:09:23,199
um about through the CAC and others was

1677
01:09:23,199 --> 01:09:26,159
that bic bikers like to park in the town

1678
01:09:26,159 --> 01:09:29,199
hall lot just outside um often for

1679
01:09:29,199 --> 01:09:31,839
several hours or a whole day and those

1680
01:09:31,839 --> 01:09:34,560
again takes up spaces. So you have a lot

1681
01:09:34,560 --> 01:09:39,510
of conflicts over the parking spaces.

1682
01:09:39,520 --> 01:09:42,000
So, we came up with a couple of ideas.

1683
01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:44,799
Um, here's seven ideas that we kind of

1684
01:09:44,799 --> 01:09:47,120
rolled out for the CAC. These are

1685
01:09:47,120 --> 01:09:50,319
potential solutions. Um, the most

1686
01:09:50,319 --> 01:09:54,159
popular idea that we talked about was to

1687
01:09:54,159 --> 01:09:56,159
better utilize and better manage the

1688
01:09:56,159 --> 01:10:00,000
spaces that we do have um by instituting

1689
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:03,040
more enforcement. Um, and the focus in

1690
01:10:03,040 --> 01:10:04,719
the conversation was about the public

1691
01:10:04,719 --> 01:10:06,719
lots since those are where the town has

1692
01:10:06,719 --> 01:10:09,520
the most control. Um but the idea of you

1693
01:10:09,520 --> 01:10:11,920
know supporting or otherwise um

1694
01:10:11,920 --> 01:10:13,679
implementing enforcement on private lots

1695
01:10:13,679 --> 01:10:16,800
was also popular. Shared parking u very

1696
01:10:16,800 --> 01:10:19,840
popular. Um there was a there was

1697
01:10:19,840 --> 01:10:22,000
concerns raised about um if we do

1698
01:10:22,000 --> 01:10:23,840
enforcement could that result in

1699
01:10:23,840 --> 01:10:25,360
neighborhood spillover. So there was a

1700
01:10:25,360 --> 01:10:27,840
conversation about that. Um some of the

1701
01:10:27,840 --> 01:10:30,320
less popular ideas were um parking

1702
01:10:30,320 --> 01:10:32,800
meters. Those were not very wellreceived

1703
01:10:32,800 --> 01:10:36,000
in the CAC. Um and then we talked a

1704
01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:37,679
little bit about parking requirements.

1705
01:10:37,679 --> 01:10:39,600
Would we consider reducing those

1706
01:10:39,600 --> 01:10:41,600
requirements? Um and we talked about it

1707
01:10:41,600 --> 01:10:44,080
in two different ways. One for uses that

1708
01:10:44,080 --> 01:10:45,840
don't attract too much traffic. Those

1709
01:10:45,840 --> 01:10:50,320
are, you know, generally like shops or retail. And then there's also foot

1710
01:10:50,320 --> 01:10:52,239
traffic, high foot traffic uses like

1711
01:10:52,239 --> 01:10:54,880
restaurants primarily. Um and sort of

1712
01:10:54,880 --> 01:10:56,400
not too surprisingly there was more

1713
01:10:56,400 --> 01:10:58,880
openness to being a little more uh

1714
01:10:58,880 --> 01:11:01,440
forgiving towards offices and shops and

1715
01:11:01,440 --> 01:11:03,600
parking requirements rather than

1716
01:11:03,600 --> 01:11:07,040
restaurants. Um

1717
01:11:07,040 --> 01:11:08,560
some other ideas we talked about with

1718
01:11:08,560 --> 01:11:10,400
the CAC. These are a bit more kind of

1719
01:11:10,400 --> 01:11:13,520
physically oriented ideas. Um the more

1720
01:11:13,520 --> 01:11:15,920
popular idea which we touched on last

1721
01:11:15,920 --> 01:11:17,840
time was about adding back parking

1722
01:11:17,840 --> 01:11:19,440
spaces, marked parking spaces to

1723
01:11:19,440 --> 01:11:22,320
Woodside Road. um primarily around you

1724
01:11:22,320 --> 01:11:23,679
know the commercial businesses like

1725
01:11:23,679 --> 01:11:25,520
little store and village hub. So that

1726
01:11:25,520 --> 01:11:28,560
was very popular. Um another popular

1727
01:11:28,560 --> 01:11:30,560
idea that kind of emerged out of the CAC

1728
01:11:30,560 --> 01:11:32,080
that we didn't have on our list

1729
01:11:32,080 --> 01:11:34,719
initially was um signage. Signage

1730
01:11:34,719 --> 01:11:36,800
specifically oriented towards parking,

1731
01:11:36,800 --> 01:11:39,840
making it easier to know where to park

1732
01:11:39,840 --> 01:11:42,080
and easier to know where you're supposed

1733
01:11:42,080 --> 01:11:45,760
to park as um a member of a different

1734
01:11:45,760 --> 01:11:48,480
type of user case. Um and then what are

1735
01:11:48,480 --> 01:11:50,640
the rules around parking? So all of that

1736
01:11:50,640 --> 01:11:52,480
was part of this signage discussion that

1737
01:11:52,480 --> 01:11:54,560
came up. Um some ideas that were not

1738
01:11:54,560 --> 01:11:56,560
very um didn't get a lot of traction

1739
01:11:56,560 --> 01:12:00,080
were to do a shuttle bus or to build uh

1740
01:12:00,080 --> 01:12:02,159
an off-site parking lot which you could

1741
01:12:02,159 --> 01:12:04,560
combine also with a shuttle bus. Both of

1742
01:12:04,560 --> 01:12:07,360
those ideas were kind of seen um with a

1743
01:12:07,360 --> 01:12:10,320
lot of skepticism in the CAC.

1744
01:12:10,320 --> 01:12:12,800
Um we also talked about um enhanced

1745
01:12:12,800 --> 01:12:16,480
transit um SAM transo other alternatives

1746
01:12:16,480 --> 01:12:18,159
like that also came up as part of this

1747
01:12:18,159 --> 01:12:20,719
discussion.

1748
01:12:20,719 --> 01:12:22,719
So, and again just as a reminder, I'll

1749
01:12:22,719 --> 01:12:23,840
kind of go through all these ideas and

1750
01:12:23,840 --> 01:12:25,440
then we'll come back to these slides and

1751
01:12:25,440 --> 01:12:26,880
we'll have a discussion about these

1752
01:12:26,880 --> 01:12:29,120
ideas in particular. Um, but what I want

1753
01:12:29,120 --> 01:12:31,679
to hear from you are kind of which ideas

1754
01:12:31,679 --> 01:12:33,440
amongst this list, you know, you think

1755
01:12:33,440 --> 01:12:35,280
are are really strong, have a lot of

1756
01:12:35,280 --> 01:12:37,440
potential. Are there ideas we should

1757
01:12:37,440 --> 01:12:39,520
kind of take off of the table and and

1758
01:12:39,520 --> 01:12:41,679
stop pursuing? And are there any other

1759
01:12:41,679 --> 01:12:43,199
ideas that you'd like to kind of throw

1760
01:12:43,199 --> 01:12:45,280
into the mix? So, we'll do this for each

1761
01:12:45,280 --> 01:12:47,360
of these three topics. Um, so we'll come

1762
01:12:47,360 --> 01:12:49,840
back

1763
01:12:49,840 --> 01:12:52,000
Well, let's shift to land use. So, we

1764
01:12:52,000 --> 01:12:54,080
broke this out into both the commercial

1765
01:12:54,080 --> 01:12:56,400
side, so businesses and shops, and then

1766
01:12:56,400 --> 01:12:57,920
the other side, the residential, the

1767
01:12:57,920 --> 01:12:59,520
housing side. So, we'll take them each

1768
01:12:59,520 --> 01:13:02,960
separately, one at a time.

1769
01:13:02,960 --> 01:13:05,840
Some of the issues around land use are,

1770
01:13:05,840 --> 01:13:07,199
you know, kind of when you look at the

1771
01:13:07,199 --> 01:13:10,560
town center, you see some uses missing

1772
01:13:10,560 --> 01:13:13,199
that you would see in other downtowns.

1773
01:13:13,199 --> 01:13:16,239
Um there are a lot of regulations,

1774
01:13:16,239 --> 01:13:18,800
zoning, the size of the parcels,

1775
01:13:18,800 --> 01:13:21,120
restrictions that are both policy and

1776
01:13:21,120 --> 01:13:23,600
physical in nature that constrain what

1777
01:13:23,600 --> 01:13:25,360
property owners can do in the town

1778
01:13:25,360 --> 01:13:27,120
center. Um that includes building

1779
01:13:27,120 --> 01:13:29,440
heights um being limited by the ballot

1780
01:13:29,440 --> 01:13:32,239
measure. Uh like likewise, adaptive

1781
01:13:32,239 --> 01:13:35,360
reuse, which is to say you convert an

1782
01:13:35,360 --> 01:13:37,440
office or a shop into a different type

1783
01:13:37,440 --> 01:13:39,679
of use, such as a housing use, not

1784
01:13:39,679 --> 01:13:42,239
allowed at this time. Um, we've heard

1785
01:13:42,239 --> 01:13:44,640
it's really hard to afford to live here

1786
01:13:44,640 --> 01:13:46,800
if you, you know, work in the school or

1787
01:13:46,800 --> 01:13:49,040
local businesses here.

1788
01:13:49,040 --> 01:13:51,199
Just as a kind of reminder, we're here

1789
01:13:51,199 --> 01:13:54,080
because of the housing element. Um, but

1790
01:13:54,080 --> 01:13:55,920
you know, in our initial survey, we we

1791
01:13:55,920 --> 01:13:58,000
did find a lot of, you know, kind of

1792
01:13:58,000 --> 01:13:59,760
split of views on this topic. So, we

1793
01:13:59,760 --> 01:14:01,280
anticipate, I think, you know, a lot of

1794
01:14:01,280 --> 01:14:03,600
robust debate about this topic. It was

1795
01:14:03,600 --> 01:14:05,920
basically evenly split in our initial

1796
01:14:05,920 --> 01:14:08,560
survey.

1797
01:14:08,560 --> 01:14:10,960
So, as far as commercial businesses, we

1798
01:14:10,960 --> 01:14:12,480
tried to think about what what is

1799
01:14:12,480 --> 01:14:14,400
missing in the town center. What could

1800
01:14:14,400 --> 01:14:17,120
we add? Um, the CAC had a lot of

1801
01:14:17,120 --> 01:14:18,800
thoughts about that. Uh, some of the

1802
01:14:18,800 --> 01:14:21,040
businesses that were favored in the CAC,

1803
01:14:21,040 --> 01:14:23,679
the fast casual restaurant type, uh, a

1804
01:14:23,679 --> 01:14:25,679
type that's that's sort of missing right

1805
01:14:25,679 --> 01:14:28,719
now. Yoga, fitness studio, also very

1806
01:14:28,719 --> 01:14:31,040
popular. Pharmacy and urgent care. I

1807
01:14:31,040 --> 01:14:33,520
know in the past that has had some

1808
01:14:33,520 --> 01:14:35,360
success and some not success, but that

1809
01:14:35,360 --> 01:14:37,600
was an idea that came up. uh ice cream

1810
01:14:37,600 --> 01:14:39,679
boba shop also there on the list. Um so

1811
01:14:39,679 --> 01:14:42,159
those were the top businesses. Um but in

1812
01:14:42,159 --> 01:14:43,600
fairness there was a lot of discussion

1813
01:14:43,600 --> 01:14:47,440
about um how the town doesn't directly

1814
01:14:47,440 --> 01:14:49,360
you know control who goes into business

1815
01:14:49,360 --> 01:14:52,239
spaces. Um so we should be cognizant

1816
01:14:52,239 --> 01:14:54,640
that there are limits to how much we can

1817
01:14:54,640 --> 01:14:58,080
prescribe with this policy process. Um

1818
01:14:58,080 --> 01:15:00,640
and then just to keep in mind the market

1819
01:15:00,640 --> 01:15:02,480
constraints here. This is a small kind

1820
01:15:02,480 --> 01:15:05,199
of retail market trade area. Um so

1821
01:15:05,199 --> 01:15:07,920
that's a realistic constraint on what we

1822
01:15:07,920 --> 01:15:10,159
can attract here. Um and and there was

1823
01:15:10,159 --> 01:15:12,719
generally consensus that anything that

1824
01:15:12,719 --> 01:15:14,239
we would want to add to this space

1825
01:15:14,239 --> 01:15:16,640
should be a local oriented and not a

1826
01:15:16,640 --> 01:15:18,960
regional tourist oriented type of

1827
01:15:18,960 --> 01:15:22,709
business.

1828
01:15:22,719 --> 01:15:24,719
So some of the ideas that we talked

1829
01:15:24,719 --> 01:15:26,719
about are how are the way how are some

1830
01:15:26,719 --> 01:15:29,360
ways in which we can reduce the barriers

1831
01:15:29,360 --> 01:15:30,880
the regulatory barriers or other

1832
01:15:30,880 --> 01:15:32,320
barriers to attract the types of

1833
01:15:32,320 --> 01:15:34,800
businesses that are desired that we just

1834
01:15:34,800 --> 01:15:37,440
talked about the the boba and the the

1835
01:15:37,440 --> 01:15:39,040
other types of businesses. So some of

1836
01:15:39,040 --> 01:15:40,560
the ideas are and these are you know

1837
01:15:40,560 --> 01:15:43,520
sort of um a bit a bit wonky policy

1838
01:15:43,520 --> 01:15:45,600
ideas but it's making conditional use

1839
01:15:45,600 --> 01:15:49,520
permanences easier. Um, you could either

1840
01:15:49,520 --> 01:15:52,400
make them not necessary by making a use

1841
01:15:52,400 --> 01:15:55,679
simply by right and not require a cup or

1842
01:15:55,679 --> 01:15:57,280
you could make a cup sort of a less

1843
01:15:57,280 --> 01:15:59,600
ownorous process. Um, you could

1844
01:15:59,600 --> 01:16:01,679
streamline approvals for adaptive reuse

1845
01:16:01,679 --> 01:16:03,840
to help businesses kind of turn over.

1846
01:16:03,840 --> 01:16:05,600
Um, and then as we talked about parking

1847
01:16:05,600 --> 01:16:07,040
requirements, you could reduce parking

1848
01:16:07,040 --> 01:16:09,120
requirements um, for businesses we

1849
01:16:09,120 --> 01:16:11,280
really want to attract. Um, and these

1850
01:16:11,280 --> 01:16:15,360
ideas uh, generally overall the CAC was very wellreceived. the overall

1851
01:16:15,360 --> 01:16:18,080
notion of flexibility um for for

1852
01:16:18,080 --> 01:16:23,760
commercial business owners was really wellreceived at the CAC.

1853
01:16:23,760 --> 01:16:26,080
Um so shifting to housing, we kind of

1854
01:16:26,080 --> 01:16:29,040
started at a high level just the opening

1855
01:16:29,040 --> 01:16:31,199
question is should housing be allowed in

1856
01:16:31,199 --> 01:16:34,560
town center and overall the the majority

1857
01:16:34,560 --> 01:16:37,600
of the CAC was in favor of that um

1858
01:16:37,600 --> 01:16:39,840
especially if it's kind of welldesigned.

1859
01:16:39,840 --> 01:16:42,239
I think that was a really understated

1860
01:16:42,239 --> 01:16:44,800
part of this. Yes, the yes be allowed

1861
01:16:44,800 --> 01:16:46,800
but with the right design and the right

1862
01:16:46,800 --> 01:16:49,040
type of you know kind of orientation and

1863
01:16:49,040 --> 01:16:51,679
character but overall the CAC was was

1864
01:16:51,679 --> 01:16:53,360
supportive of housing in the town

1865
01:16:53,360 --> 01:16:56,480
center. Um when we asked specifically

1866
01:16:56,480 --> 01:16:58,640
what when we say housing what do we mean

1867
01:16:58,640 --> 01:17:01,600
what type in scale and character overall

1868
01:17:01,600 --> 01:17:03,920
the strongest support was for this a

1869
01:17:03,920 --> 01:17:07,520
twotory type of scale. Um there was also

1870
01:17:07,520 --> 01:17:09,440
support for three stories. There was

1871
01:17:09,440 --> 01:17:11,199
also support for just the adaptive

1872
01:17:11,199 --> 01:17:12,719
reuse, which is to say keeping the

1873
01:17:12,719 --> 01:17:14,400
existing buildings and turning them over

1874
01:17:14,400 --> 01:17:17,280
inside. Um, but the overall strongest

1875
01:17:17,280 --> 01:17:19,840
sort of support was for for a two-story

1876
01:17:19,840 --> 01:17:22,960
character. Um, but there was a very um

1877
01:17:22,960 --> 01:17:25,600
mixed robust conversation. There was a

1878
01:17:25,600 --> 01:17:28,880
lot of support for keeping retail um in

1879
01:17:28,880 --> 01:17:31,199
a mixeduse format. That is that we want

1880
01:17:31,199 --> 01:17:33,440
to keep um the ground floor of buildings

1881
01:17:33,440 --> 01:17:36,000
active with active retail. there was a

1882
01:17:36,000 --> 01:17:38,320
lot of no interest in in a large scale

1883
01:17:38,320 --> 01:17:40,880
type of apartment or a condo building.

1884
01:17:40,880 --> 01:17:44,880
Um there is uh a strong contingent of

1885
01:17:44,880 --> 01:17:46,960
support on the CAC for doing for

1886
01:17:46,960 --> 01:17:50,000
allowing sort of some medium scale what

1887
01:17:50,000 --> 01:17:52,000
we might call missing middle or medium

1888
01:17:52,000 --> 01:17:54,960
density housing along Woodside Road as

1889
01:17:54,960 --> 01:17:56,640
part of this overall concept. And we can

1890
01:17:56,640 --> 01:18:00,159
talk a little bit more about that.

1891
01:18:00,159 --> 01:18:01,840
So now I'll just go through a couple of

1892
01:18:01,840 --> 01:18:04,880
examples um just walking through what

1893
01:18:04,880 --> 01:18:06,960
twotory and three-story housing could

1894
01:18:06,960 --> 01:18:08,719
look like and feel like in the town

1895
01:18:08,719 --> 01:18:11,040
center um just to kind of get us all

1896
01:18:11,040 --> 01:18:13,920
thinking about it in a visual way. Um so

1897
01:18:13,920 --> 01:18:15,840
here's an example of a two-story

1898
01:18:15,840 --> 01:18:18,800
townhouse. You have

1899
01:18:18,800 --> 01:18:21,520
um two examples here. You could have the

1900
01:18:21,520 --> 01:18:23,760
parking in the back in this example. Um

1901
01:18:23,760 --> 01:18:26,080
so you have a very nice frontage um

1902
01:18:26,080 --> 01:18:28,960
character here. Here's another example

1903
01:18:28,960 --> 01:18:30,800
where in this case the it's a townhouse

1904
01:18:30,800 --> 01:18:33,360
but the parking is in the front. So you

1905
01:18:33,360 --> 01:18:35,760
would access the parking below grade or

1906
01:18:35,760 --> 01:18:37,600
basically you know tucked under your

1907
01:18:37,600 --> 01:18:40,000
unit. In this case you know you still

1908
01:18:40,000 --> 01:18:43,040
have a two-story product but you can

1909
01:18:43,040 --> 01:18:44,960
park it very easily underground because

1910
01:18:44,960 --> 01:18:46,880
the parking is going to be a big

1911
01:18:46,880 --> 01:18:48,640
challenge for whatever housing if

1912
01:18:48,640 --> 01:18:50,159
housing is developed here. Parking will

1913
01:18:50,159 --> 01:18:52,239
be a big challenge.

1914
01:18:52,239 --> 01:18:54,560
Here's a nice example of a mixeduse. So

1915
01:18:54,560 --> 01:18:56,320
those were residential only examples.

1916
01:18:56,320 --> 01:18:59,120
Here's a nice example of a mixeduse um

1917
01:18:59,120 --> 01:19:01,280
sometimes this gets called a live work

1918
01:19:01,280 --> 01:19:03,600
or a shop house um where you basically

1919
01:19:03,600 --> 01:19:06,719
have just two stories. One story is um a

1920
01:19:06,719 --> 01:19:09,120
residential unit over top of an an

1921
01:19:09,120 --> 01:19:11,440
office or a shop. Sometimes those are

1922
01:19:11,440 --> 01:19:13,199
connected. Um sometimes those are

1923
01:19:13,199 --> 01:19:14,560
separate tenants. You can do it in a

1924
01:19:14,560 --> 01:19:16,719
variety of different ways, but um the

1925
01:19:16,719 --> 01:19:18,960
overall kind of character of that is is

1926
01:19:18,960 --> 01:19:21,840
a is a very nice walkable um two-story

1927
01:19:21,840 --> 01:19:23,679
kind of shop house. These examples are

1928
01:19:23,679 --> 01:19:26,400
ones in Carmel and ones in um Tibberon.

1929
01:19:26,400 --> 01:19:28,400
So we thought those were good examples.

1930
01:19:28,400 --> 01:19:30,800
So stepping up one more floor to three

1931
01:19:30,800 --> 01:19:32,719
stories. Here's what threetory town

1932
01:19:32,719 --> 01:19:36,320
homes might look like or feel like. Um

1933
01:19:36,320 --> 01:19:39,120
you could um again with the parking you

1934
01:19:39,120 --> 01:19:41,520
could tuck the parking under the units

1935
01:19:41,520 --> 01:19:43,679
or you might do surface parking uh

1936
01:19:43,679 --> 01:19:47,120
depending on the density.

1937
01:19:47,120 --> 01:19:49,760
And here's our final example. This is

1938
01:19:49,760 --> 01:19:52,400
the going up one more floor. a

1939
01:19:52,400 --> 01:19:54,239
three-story shop house or mixeduse

1940
01:19:54,239 --> 01:19:56,480
configuration where you have two stories

1941
01:19:56,480 --> 01:19:59,280
um of of housing unit or condo above a

1942
01:19:59,280 --> 01:20:02,560
retail shop. You see this um prototype a

1943
01:20:02,560 --> 01:20:04,239
lot in a lot of sort of small town

1944
01:20:04,239 --> 01:20:05,760
downtowns

1945
01:20:05,760 --> 01:20:08,080
um where you have you know you have some

1946
01:20:08,080 --> 01:20:11,280
folks living above a shop or or or a

1947
01:20:11,280 --> 01:20:13,520
store or restaurant. Um some of these

1948
01:20:13,520 --> 01:20:15,040
examples I think are from from South

1949
01:20:15,040 --> 01:20:17,520
Lake Tahoe. Um you have kind of this

1950
01:20:17,520 --> 01:20:20,080
rural more rustic look to some of these

1951
01:20:20,080 --> 01:20:21,520
examples. So we thought these were good

1952
01:20:21,520 --> 01:20:24,320
examples. Um one thing one sort of

1953
01:20:24,320 --> 01:20:26,080
design consideration here is that even

1954
01:20:26,080 --> 01:20:28,640
if we do consider allowing three

1955
01:20:28,640 --> 01:20:31,679
stories, we could put in set stepbacks

1956
01:20:31,679 --> 01:20:33,840
uh you know on the third story stepping

1957
01:20:33,840 --> 01:20:36,239
that back a certain distance so that you

1958
01:20:36,239 --> 01:20:38,880
don't have as much um sort of sense of

1959
01:20:38,880 --> 01:20:40,719
that threetory scale. So there are

1960
01:20:40,719 --> 01:20:42,239
options here that you could do to kind

1961
01:20:42,239 --> 01:20:46,870
of play with the that third story.

1962
01:20:46,880 --> 01:20:49,760
So just shifting gears a little bit. Um

1963
01:20:49,760 --> 01:20:51,679
the first part of the conversation was

1964
01:20:51,679 --> 01:20:54,640
really about would we want to allow

1965
01:20:54,640 --> 01:20:57,199
housing on privately owned properties.

1966
01:20:57,199 --> 01:20:59,040
The other flip side of that conversation

1967
01:20:59,040 --> 01:21:01,120
is there are these kind of two sites

1968
01:21:01,120 --> 01:21:03,440
that are publicly owned within the town

1969
01:21:03,440 --> 01:21:06,800
center. The village hill and this site,

1970
01:21:06,800 --> 01:21:08,320
this parcel we're on right now, the town

1971
01:21:08,320 --> 01:21:11,360
hall parcel. Um so naturally those came

1972
01:21:11,360 --> 01:21:14,480
up as possibilities for doing housing.

1973
01:21:14,480 --> 01:21:17,520
Um, and we discussed that with the CAC

1974
01:21:17,520 --> 01:21:19,520
and you know overall I think about

1975
01:21:19,520 --> 01:21:22,080
twothirds of the CAC was supportive of

1976
01:21:22,080 --> 01:21:24,480
exploring it on one of the two sites.

1977
01:21:24,480 --> 01:21:26,320
Um, I think there was some who were

1978
01:21:26,320 --> 01:21:28,400
strongly opposed and I think we'll hear

1979
01:21:28,400 --> 01:21:30,719
some strong thoughts about Village Hill.

1980
01:21:30,719 --> 01:21:32,320
Um, but overall I think there was some

1981
01:21:32,320 --> 01:21:35,360
openness on the CAC to look at whether

1982
01:21:35,360 --> 01:21:37,840
housing on these sites um could be be

1983
01:21:37,840 --> 01:21:43,760
pursued. And obviously the town has more control over these sites um than

1984
01:21:43,760 --> 01:21:46,320
the privately owned sites.

1985
01:21:46,320 --> 01:21:47,840
Just want to acknowledge there was also

1986
01:21:47,840 --> 01:21:51,280
a lot of discussion in the CAC about um

1987
01:21:51,280 --> 01:21:53,600
properties that could be potentially

1988
01:21:53,600 --> 01:21:56,080
suitable for housing that are that were

1989
01:21:56,080 --> 01:21:58,480
sort of not within that initial boundary

1990
01:21:58,480 --> 01:22:00,480
but were part of the expanded kind of

1991
01:22:00,480 --> 01:22:04,000
look that we took along Woodside Road in

1992
01:22:04,000 --> 01:22:06,000
both directions. So, some of those sites

1993
01:22:06,000 --> 01:22:08,159
that came up were the Goat Hills site

1994
01:22:08,159 --> 01:22:10,159
which is just across um you know at the

1995
01:22:10,159 --> 01:22:12,960
corner west corner of Hiendus and

1996
01:22:12,960 --> 01:22:16,480
Woodside Road um obviously a large

1997
01:22:16,480 --> 01:22:19,199
vacant site but it is privately owned. U

1998
01:22:19,199 --> 01:22:21,440
across the street there's the site on

1999
01:22:21,440 --> 01:22:23,360
the other side of Hiendis um which is

2000
01:22:23,360 --> 01:22:25,679
also mostly vacant though it has some

2001
01:22:25,679 --> 01:22:28,400
drainage issues. Two other parcels were

2002
01:22:28,400 --> 01:22:30,159
frequently mentioned, the parcel

2003
01:22:30,159 --> 01:22:33,040
adjacent to the fire station um that we

2004
01:22:33,040 --> 01:22:34,800
understand there's there's plans for

2005
01:22:34,800 --> 01:22:37,679
some fire station facilities um but

2006
01:22:37,679 --> 01:22:40,480
nonetheless then also a parcel adjacent

2007
01:22:40,480 --> 01:22:42,880
to the school um to the tennis courts

2008
01:22:42,880 --> 01:22:44,560
which um was just purchased by the

2009
01:22:44,560 --> 01:22:47,120
school district. Um so that does offer

2010
01:22:47,120 --> 01:22:48,800
some opportunities for for housing on

2011
01:22:48,800 --> 01:22:50,639
that site. Um, but just we wanted to

2012
01:22:50,639 --> 01:22:51,760
acknowledge there was a lot of

2013
01:22:51,760 --> 01:22:52,960
discussion about these additional

2014
01:22:52,960 --> 01:22:55,679
parcels and that these parcels start to

2015
01:22:55,679 --> 01:22:58,639
form the outline of what might be again

2016
01:22:58,639 --> 01:23:00,480
as I discussed this middle density kind

2017
01:23:00,480 --> 01:23:03,120
of approach of of a overlay or an

2018
01:23:03,120 --> 01:23:05,760
additional zoning allowance for parcels

2019
01:23:05,760 --> 01:23:07,440
that you know like these that front

2020
01:23:07,440 --> 01:23:10,880
Woodside Road close to town center have

2021
01:23:10,880 --> 01:23:13,760
town um the the good sewer service

2022
01:23:13,760 --> 01:23:15,920
that's available in this um central

2023
01:23:15,920 --> 01:23:18,880
district. Um, so that's an idea that has

2024
01:23:18,880 --> 01:23:20,560
kind of been that's come out of this

2025
01:23:20,560 --> 01:23:22,560
these discussions about housing sites

2026
01:23:22,560 --> 01:23:24,320
beyond the, you know, traditional

2027
01:23:24,320 --> 01:23:28,310
footprint of the town center.

2028
01:23:28,320 --> 01:23:30,719
So again, we'll come back to this, but

2029
01:23:30,719 --> 01:23:31,920
kind of with talking through which of

2030
01:23:31,920 --> 01:23:33,679
these ideas we think have the best

2031
01:23:33,679 --> 01:23:36,159
potential, which one of these do we, if

2032
01:23:36,159 --> 01:23:37,679
any, do we want to kind of take off the

2033
01:23:37,679 --> 01:23:40,080
table? And then is there something we

2034
01:23:40,080 --> 01:23:43,440
forgot to put onto the table?

2035
01:23:43,440 --> 01:23:46,239
shifting to public space, uh, gathering

2036
01:23:46,239 --> 01:23:49,840
spaces and urban design. Really exciting

2037
01:23:49,840 --> 01:23:52,080
topic. Um, so some of the issues are

2038
01:23:52,080 --> 01:23:54,800
that outdoor dining, um, which, you

2039
01:23:54,800 --> 01:23:56,800
know, used to be more present is now

2040
01:23:56,800 --> 01:23:59,199
sorely missed ever since it went away.

2041
01:23:59,199 --> 01:24:00,960
Uh, really one of the more unanimous

2042
01:24:00,960 --> 01:24:03,600
findings, um, across the CAC, the

2043
01:24:03,600 --> 01:24:05,600
survey, the pop-ups, everyone really

2044
01:24:05,600 --> 01:24:10,800
missed outdoor dining. Um there's no one true public space or or

2045
01:24:10,800 --> 01:24:13,440
sort of signature plaza to gather or to

2046
01:24:13,440 --> 01:24:16,159
picnic. Uh measure A, you know, we have

2047
01:24:16,159 --> 01:24:18,639
not fully implemented that. The vision

2048
01:24:18,639 --> 01:24:20,800
for a gazebo right outside of the town

2049
01:24:20,800 --> 01:24:22,320
hall,

2050
01:24:22,320 --> 01:24:26,320
a lack of programming was brought up by folks, you know, with respect to

2051
01:24:26,320 --> 01:24:29,760
teens, es especially not having events

2052
01:24:29,760 --> 01:24:32,080
that would draw one to the town center.

2053
01:24:32,080 --> 01:24:34,719
Um there's no community center or no

2054
01:24:34,719 --> 01:24:37,280
teen center. Um, and there not that many

2055
01:24:37,280 --> 01:24:38,960
public amenities in and around the town

2056
01:24:38,960 --> 01:24:41,040
center. We don't have bathrooms or water

2057
01:24:41,040 --> 01:24:45,280
fountains or seating areas.

2058
01:24:45,280 --> 01:24:47,760
So, we developed a list, a preliminary

2059
01:24:47,760 --> 01:24:50,159
list of uh possible gathering spaces and

2060
01:24:50,159 --> 01:24:53,600
we talked these over with the CAC. And

2061
01:24:53,600 --> 01:24:55,600
as I mentioned, outdoor dining

2062
01:24:55,600 --> 01:24:58,400
overwhelmingly was number one. Um, a

2063
01:24:58,400 --> 01:25:00,880
community center was also very popular.

2064
01:25:00,880 --> 01:25:04,159
Um, farmers market. Then some of the

2065
01:25:04,159 --> 01:25:06,000
lesser popular ideas were the the

2066
01:25:06,000 --> 01:25:07,840
village hill picnic center and then the

2067
01:25:07,840 --> 01:25:09,840
public space um that we talked a lot

2068
01:25:09,840 --> 01:25:12,159
about last meeting by the Roberts

2069
01:25:12,159 --> 01:25:16,159
Market. Um interestingly,

2070
01:25:16,159 --> 01:25:18,800
so here's just kind of a look at where

2071
01:25:18,800 --> 01:25:21,280
some of these things might physically

2072
01:25:21,280 --> 01:25:23,679
take space within the town center. Um,

2073
01:25:23,679 --> 01:25:26,000
you know, outdoor dining has a couple of

2074
01:25:26,000 --> 01:25:27,440
different locations, but the one that I

2075
01:25:27,440 --> 01:25:29,600
think a lot of us, a lot of folks talked

2076
01:25:29,600 --> 01:25:31,520
about was the one that used to be in

2077
01:25:31,520 --> 01:25:33,920
front of um, Bucks and the the village

2078
01:25:33,920 --> 01:25:36,400
bakery. Then the public space that we

2079
01:25:36,400 --> 01:25:38,639
talked about last time, potential picnic

2080
01:25:38,639 --> 01:25:40,880
area, the Measure A gazebo, the farmers

2081
01:25:40,880 --> 01:25:43,199
market location. Um, so just kind of

2082
01:25:43,199 --> 01:25:45,520
thinking about these spaces throughout

2083
01:25:45,520 --> 01:25:48,000
the town center.

2084
01:25:48,000 --> 01:25:50,400
So, in association with gathering

2085
01:25:50,400 --> 01:25:52,239
spaces, we also talked about how can we

2086
01:25:52,239 --> 01:25:54,560
make the town center look nicer

2087
01:25:54,560 --> 01:25:57,360
aesthetically kind of from a design

2088
01:25:57,360 --> 01:26:00,560
standpoint. So, the most popular um

2089
01:26:00,560 --> 01:26:05,360
choice for the CAC was more landscaping, especially native planting,

2090
01:26:05,360 --> 01:26:08,080
new street trees, very popular. Um, and

2091
01:26:08,080 --> 01:26:10,639
then kind of building off of the earlier

2092
01:26:10,639 --> 01:26:12,800
discussion around parking and signage,

2093
01:26:12,800 --> 01:26:16,080
kind of using gateway treatments, um, as

2094
01:26:16,080 --> 01:26:18,560
both a kind of identity and character

2095
01:26:18,560 --> 01:26:20,480
making piece, but also a functional way

2096
01:26:20,480 --> 01:26:23,520
to help direct people around um, the

2097
01:26:23,520 --> 01:26:27,520
town center in in the right way. Um, so

2098
01:26:27,520 --> 01:26:30,639
those were very popular. Um, assuming

2099
01:26:30,639 --> 01:26:33,280
that that signage or those treatments

2100
01:26:33,280 --> 01:26:35,600
were very carefully calibrated to the

2101
01:26:35,600 --> 01:26:38,159
character here, the rural equestrian

2102
01:26:38,159 --> 01:26:40,159
character, that's really important that

2103
01:26:40,159 --> 01:26:43,040
whatever signage or landscaping we do is

2104
01:26:43,040 --> 01:26:46,159
really sensitive and appropriate to this

2105
01:26:46,159 --> 01:26:48,960
context.

2106
01:26:48,960 --> 01:26:51,360
So again, here are kind of the ideas

2107
01:26:51,360 --> 01:26:54,000
that we'll talk through and see what you

2108
01:26:54,000 --> 01:26:55,440
think.

2109
01:26:55,440 --> 01:26:57,440
bunch of various

2110
01:26:57,440 --> 01:27:00,719
suggested outdoor spaces and urban

2111
01:27:00,719 --> 01:27:03,120
design treatments. You let me know if

2112
01:27:03,120 --> 01:27:05,679
you think any of the ideas are should be

2113
01:27:05,679 --> 01:27:09,040
off the table or anything's missing

2114
01:27:09,040 --> 01:27:12,560
and that will be our third topic. So,

2115
01:27:12,560 --> 01:27:13,840
just to wrap up kind of the

2116
01:27:13,840 --> 01:27:15,840
presentation, let me just describe where

2117
01:27:15,840 --> 01:27:19,440
we go next after tonight. Um so to kind

2118
01:27:19,440 --> 01:27:22,080
of remind ourselves at the end of this

2119
01:27:22,080 --> 01:27:24,320
process, we're hoping that the council

2120
01:27:24,320 --> 01:27:27,600
will adopt um an updated town center

2121
01:27:27,600 --> 01:27:29,679
area plan as a standalone policy

2122
01:27:29,679 --> 01:27:32,320
document. That document will contain a

2123
01:27:32,320 --> 01:27:34,320
number of things, but it'll include like

2124
01:27:34,320 --> 01:27:36,560
the preferred concepts that we agree on

2125
01:27:36,560 --> 01:27:38,880
for various key transportation

2126
01:27:38,880 --> 01:27:42,000
improvements. um the programs or

2127
01:27:42,000 --> 01:27:43,679
policies or strategies around parking

2128
01:27:43,679 --> 01:27:45,840
that we agree on, the priorities for

2129
01:27:45,840 --> 01:27:48,719
investing in public spaces, the policies

2130
01:27:48,719 --> 01:27:51,040
for commercial use and potential

2131
01:27:51,040 --> 01:27:53,440
residential use, and then action items

2132
01:27:53,440 --> 01:27:55,760
that the town will follow up on over the

2133
01:27:55,760 --> 01:27:58,400
coming years. The town will also certify

2134
01:27:58,400 --> 01:28:01,280
the EIR as part of this process um which

2135
01:28:01,280 --> 01:28:03,679
will include review of impacts from some

2136
01:28:03,679 --> 01:28:06,080
scenarios that we'll look at and then

2137
01:28:06,080 --> 01:28:08,400
potentially depending on where we go

2138
01:28:08,400 --> 01:28:10,880
with the policy direction um ballot

2139
01:28:10,880 --> 01:28:13,520
measures could be considered after

2140
01:28:13,520 --> 01:28:15,520
adoption to implement the vision of this

2141
01:28:15,520 --> 01:28:18,400
plan. Um but that will of course depend

2142
01:28:18,400 --> 01:28:23,840
on where we go with direction. Um then

2143
01:28:23,840 --> 01:28:26,639
after tonight immediately we will um

2144
01:28:26,639 --> 01:28:29,120
begin our engagement with the community.

2145
01:28:29,120 --> 01:28:30,960
We'll have a survey that will roll out

2146
01:28:30,960 --> 01:28:34,400
within um a week or so. So we'll have

2147
01:28:34,400 --> 01:28:37,360
popups. We'll have an open house. Um

2148
01:28:37,360 --> 01:28:39,440
we'll have the survey going for a few

2149
01:28:39,440 --> 01:28:41,440
months. Uh then we'll meet back with the

2150
01:28:41,440 --> 01:28:43,679
CAC to discuss kind of what we heard

2151
01:28:43,679 --> 01:28:46,400
from the community about these ideas. Um

2152
01:28:46,400 --> 01:28:47,760
and then we'll meet back with the

2153
01:28:47,760 --> 01:28:50,719
council to kind of lock in our approach

2154
01:28:50,719 --> 01:28:53,280
to SQA. Um and as of course we'll share

2155
01:28:53,280 --> 01:28:54,560
what we've heard from the community

2156
01:28:54,560 --> 01:28:56,960
about these ideas. Um and then finally

2157
01:28:56,960 --> 01:29:00,719
once we um decide and confirm our SQA

2158
01:29:00,719 --> 01:29:03,199
approach we'll initiate the IR and we'll

2159
01:29:03,199 --> 01:29:06,719
go from there. So with that hand it back

2160
01:29:06,719 --> 01:29:07,360
to the mayor.

2161
01:29:07,360 --> 01:29:10,159
>> Great. Thank you so much. Um, I know

2162
01:29:10,159 --> 01:29:12,000
this was laid out to go right into

2163
01:29:12,000 --> 01:29:13,280
public comment and that's probably

2164
01:29:13,280 --> 01:29:15,120
actually the best thing to do before we

2165
01:29:15,120 --> 01:29:16,800
discuss, but does anybody have any

2166
01:29:16,800 --> 01:29:20,800
immediate questions um for Troy? No

2167
01:29:20,800 --> 01:29:21,199
>> question.

2168
01:29:21,199 --> 01:29:25,120
>> Quick question. Okay. Um,

2169
01:29:25,120 --> 01:29:31,120
is there any um consideration given to I noticed in some of your uh slides

2170
01:29:31,120 --> 01:29:33,120
there where you identified other spaces

2171
01:29:33,120 --> 01:29:34,719
where we could possibly put in housing

2172
01:29:34,719 --> 01:29:37,920
and those four I forgot, you know, and

2173
01:29:37,920 --> 01:29:40,800
goat, you know, Goatill um and those

2174
01:29:40,800 --> 01:29:44,480
things. Um about relocating the town,

2175
01:29:44,480 --> 01:29:45,920
this building and the building next

2176
01:29:45,920 --> 01:29:49,920
door. Is there any discussion of that?

2177
01:29:49,920 --> 01:29:53,679
I do believe there was at least one

2178
01:29:53,679 --> 01:29:55,760
member of CSC who brought that idea up.

2179
01:29:55,760 --> 01:29:57,840
I don't know that it was widely

2180
01:29:57,840 --> 01:30:01,600
discussed, but it it did get mentioned.

2181
01:30:01,600 --> 01:30:03,199
Um,

2182
01:30:03,199 --> 01:30:05,120
if that's an idea that we should pursue

2183
01:30:05,120 --> 01:30:06,639
further, I'm happy to.

2184
01:30:06,639 --> 01:30:07,920
>> No, I mentioned it because of the fire

2185
01:30:07,920 --> 01:30:10,000
station and I mean there's which is a

2186
01:30:10,000 --> 01:30:13,280
pretty impressive facility now and right

2187
01:30:13,280 --> 01:30:15,440
>> spaces available next to it and

2188
01:30:15,440 --> 01:30:15,840
>> yeah,

2189
01:30:15,840 --> 01:30:18,239
>> this is such an attractive area and big

2190
01:30:18,239 --> 01:30:21,440
area that's being taken up um by

2191
01:30:21,440 --> 01:30:22,960
government bureaucracy

2192
01:30:22,960 --> 01:30:24,719
>> and it's not like the town center hasn't

2193
01:30:24,719 --> 01:30:25,840
moved before. So,

2194
01:30:25,840 --> 01:30:28,320
>> yes, it's Yeah, of course. Yeah, twice

2195
01:30:28,320 --> 01:30:30,880
actually. Three times, I'm sorry. Um, so

2196
01:30:30,880 --> 01:30:32,320
anyway, I just that was my only

2197
01:30:32,320 --> 01:30:35,510
question.

2198
01:30:35,520 --> 01:30:38,880
» You can you can design the new one.

2199
01:30:38,880 --> 01:30:40,000
>> Thank you.

2200
01:30:40,000 --> 01:30:41,920
>> Any other questions from council?

2201
01:30:41,920 --> 01:30:42,800
>> Yes,

2202
01:30:42,800 --> 01:30:43,679
>> council member Brown.

2203
01:30:43,679 --> 01:30:45,679
>> Uh, have we done any you were going to

2204
01:30:45,679 --> 01:30:47,520
do a parking survey? I believe at one

2205
01:30:47,520 --> 01:30:50,320
point you said you was that underway or

2206
01:30:50,320 --> 01:30:51,120
completed.

2207
01:30:51,120 --> 01:30:53,760
>> That's right. Yeah, we conducted um a

2208
01:30:53,760 --> 01:30:56,960
survey of the use of the public town

2209
01:30:56,960 --> 01:31:00,880
lots basically to see um how those were

2210
01:31:00,880 --> 01:31:03,440
used. We did complete that survey last

2211
01:31:03,440 --> 01:31:07,440
fall. Um and sort of at a high level the

2212
01:31:07,440 --> 01:31:12,320
findings were that around 10 to 12% of

2213
01:31:12,320 --> 01:31:14,480
the spaces were occupied by bikers,

2214
01:31:14,480 --> 01:31:17,360
bicyclists. That was the finding. Um, so

2215
01:31:17,360 --> 01:31:20,960
I think what I took away from the survey

2216
01:31:20,960 --> 01:31:24,639
was that the bicycle parking is is a

2217
01:31:24,639 --> 01:31:27,840
real phenomenon. There are bicycles that

2218
01:31:27,840 --> 01:31:29,920
park there for extended periods of time.

2219
01:31:29,920 --> 01:31:32,719
It may not be as you know, it's not half

2220
01:31:32,719 --> 01:31:34,560
of the parking lot, but it is it's a

2221
01:31:34,560 --> 01:31:36,239
small but not insignificant number of

2222
01:31:36,239 --> 01:31:38,400
parking spaces that are taken up by

2223
01:31:38,400 --> 01:31:40,639
bikers. I think it confirmed that we'd

2224
01:31:40,639 --> 01:31:43,920
like to find we'd like to find an

2225
01:31:43,920 --> 01:31:45,679
approach to managing that parking lot

2226
01:31:45,679 --> 01:31:48,000
because that would help address that

2227
01:31:48,000 --> 01:31:48,800
issue.

2228
01:31:48,800 --> 01:31:51,120
>> Absolutely. I agree with that one. Um,

2229
01:31:51,120 --> 01:31:53,520
have you done any study or or documented

2230
01:31:53,520 --> 01:31:55,679
how many literally how many parking

2231
01:31:55,679 --> 01:31:59,679
spaces exist in the downtown area?

2232
01:31:59,679 --> 01:32:02,080
>> Yeah, we showed that at uh I can see if

2233
01:32:02,080 --> 01:32:04,080
I have that slide. That was in my very

2234
01:32:04,080 --> 01:32:06,639
first presentation. Um, off the top of

2235
01:32:06,639 --> 01:32:08,080
my head, I want to say the number was

2236
01:32:08,080 --> 01:32:10,159
around 640

2237
01:32:10,159 --> 01:32:12,080
spaces, something like that. We did

2238
01:32:12,080 --> 01:32:14,560
count them up. Um, most of them are off

2239
01:32:14,560 --> 01:32:15,840
streetet, but there it was something

2240
01:32:15,840 --> 01:32:18,080
around 600 and something spaces. So, we

2241
01:32:18,080 --> 01:32:19,280
did count those. Yeah.

2242
01:32:19,280 --> 01:32:20,880
>> And and some of the some of the

2243
01:32:20,880 --> 01:32:24,719
proposals you had was to do more

2244
01:32:24,719 --> 01:32:27,040
sides on the street parking than what

2245
01:32:27,040 --> 01:32:28,480
we're doing right now, like on Woodside

2246
01:32:28,480 --> 01:32:32,159
Road. And I'd like to have you come back

2247
01:32:32,159 --> 01:32:34,560
the next time around with how many more

2248
01:32:34,560 --> 01:32:37,280
spaces could we

2249
01:32:37,280 --> 01:32:42,719
get to maybe 700 um if we were did the

2250
01:32:42,719 --> 01:32:44,719
following things. And then my my last

2251
01:32:44,719 --> 01:32:49,600
thing is the um lot property right below

2252
01:32:49,600 --> 01:32:52,960
town hall here that uh is targeted as a

2253
01:32:52,960 --> 01:32:55,600
gazebo. Um, have we looked at that as

2254
01:32:55,600 --> 01:33:02,390
potential for um multi-story housing?

2255
01:33:02,400 --> 01:33:04,239
» Uh, yeah. Yeah. I mean, we're varying in

2256
01:33:04,239 --> 01:33:05,760
we're veering into all of the later

2257
01:33:05,760 --> 01:33:07,920
discussion, which is it's just fine, but

2258
01:33:07,920 --> 01:33:13,199
um uh yes, the um

2259
01:33:13,199 --> 01:33:18,560
that was part of our our previous um our

2260
01:33:18,560 --> 01:33:23,760
>> talk about gazeos and well, so yeah. So, part of the discussion I think would

2261
01:33:23,760 --> 01:33:26,800
be what's the most appropriate use of

2262
01:33:26,800 --> 01:33:28,719
that site. We have shown it as a

2263
01:33:28,719 --> 01:33:31,040
potential gazebo here, but then in the

2264
01:33:31,040 --> 01:33:33,280
site or the discussion around housing,

2265
01:33:33,280 --> 01:33:34,800
we indicate that it could also be a

2266
01:33:34,800 --> 01:33:37,760
housing site. So, I think we're still

2267
01:33:37,760 --> 01:33:39,760
open to idea. And then now just, you

2268
01:33:39,760 --> 01:33:41,280
know, council member Gold brought up the

2269
01:33:41,280 --> 01:33:42,560
idea of moving the town center. So, I

2270
01:33:42,560 --> 01:33:44,560
think there's a lot in play in this site

2271
01:33:44,560 --> 01:33:51,040
right here. Okay. I think it's still very open for discussion. You

2272
01:33:51,040 --> 01:33:53,360
Okay, I think we will move on to public

2273
01:33:53,360 --> 01:33:55,520
comment and I think we'll start the Zoom

2274
01:33:55,520 --> 01:34:01,110
room. Uh, Mr. Irststead.

2275
01:34:01,120 --> 01:34:04,639
» Yes, council members. Uh, thank you. Uh,

2276
01:34:04,639 --> 01:34:07,360
I I wanted to skip my prepared remarks

2277
01:34:07,360 --> 01:34:09,840
and address uh Council Member Gold's

2278
01:34:09,840 --> 01:34:14,560
comment just recently. I I think uh uh

2279
01:34:14,560 --> 01:34:19,120
that is a very wise idea to keep in

2280
01:34:19,120 --> 01:34:24,320
mind. No no no uh um no certainty but

2281
01:34:24,320 --> 01:34:26,960
having that alternative of using the

2282
01:34:26,960 --> 01:34:30,639
current location for town hall and uh

2283
01:34:30,639 --> 01:34:32,880
the adjoining building uh the room

2284
01:34:32,880 --> 01:34:35,920
you're in currently as housing might

2285
01:34:35,920 --> 01:34:38,639
work quite well. Um, so I want to

2286
01:34:38,639 --> 01:34:41,280
commend uh, council member Gold for that

2287
01:34:41,280 --> 01:34:44,239
comment. I I think uh, I've written a

2288
01:34:44,239 --> 01:34:47,280
letter that summarizes my lays out my

2289
01:34:47,280 --> 01:34:49,840
concerns regarding land use and parking.

2290
01:34:49,840 --> 01:34:53,040
I'd encourage the town in town center to

2291
01:34:53,040 --> 01:34:57,199
look at public parking as a town asset.

2292
01:34:57,199 --> 01:35:01,040
And I think here control uh, or more

2293
01:35:01,040 --> 01:35:05,520
control is warranted. Um you have a use

2294
01:35:05,520 --> 01:35:10,080
by um outsiders uh not residents, not

2295
01:35:10,080 --> 01:35:12,800
property owners, not tenants, uh taking

2296
01:35:12,800 --> 01:35:16,080
up spots where alternatives readily

2297
01:35:16,080 --> 01:35:18,400
exist, whether on Woodside Road down at

2298
01:35:18,400 --> 01:35:21,679
the uh park and ride or up on Pinata

2299
01:35:21,679 --> 01:35:24,159
Road. Uh there are ready alternatives.

2300
01:35:24,159 --> 01:35:25,920
These are people driving in from

2301
01:35:25,920 --> 01:35:29,360
outside. Woodside is a highly desirable,

2302
01:35:29,360 --> 01:35:31,280
arguably one of the most desirable

2303
01:35:31,280 --> 01:35:35,679
biking places in the United States and

2304
01:35:35,679 --> 01:35:38,159
it brings in a lot of people. Uh we have

2305
01:35:38,159 --> 01:35:41,440
a limited number of spots. That 600 plus

2306
01:35:41,440 --> 01:35:44,560
number applies when you count up all

2307
01:35:44,560 --> 01:35:47,440
spots public and private when you

2308
01:35:47,440 --> 01:35:50,880
include Kinyana Corners, Roberts, uh as

2309
01:35:50,880 --> 01:35:54,159
well as the primary town center. Um,

2310
01:35:54,159 --> 01:35:57,360
third comment I want to make is with uh

2311
01:35:57,360 --> 01:36:00,480
with regards to housing on undeveloped

2312
01:36:00,480 --> 01:36:03,440
parcels. I think the town would be

2313
01:36:03,440 --> 01:36:06,480
really wise to watch out for compliance

2314
01:36:06,480 --> 01:36:10,320
with current state storm water low

2315
01:36:10,320 --> 01:36:12,800
impact discharge requirements. I can

2316
01:36:12,800 --> 01:36:17,120
attest these requirements are very very

2317
01:36:17,120 --> 01:36:20,400
strict. They are very expensive to

2318
01:36:20,400 --> 01:36:24,560
comply with. They take significant civil

2319
01:36:24,560 --> 01:36:27,040
engineering work and the town is

2320
01:36:27,040 --> 01:36:29,760
somewhat unique in that it lacks storm

2321
01:36:29,760 --> 01:36:32,239
water facilities. So you're relying on

2322
01:36:32,239 --> 01:36:35,360
drainage into natural water courses like

2323
01:36:35,360 --> 01:36:41,520
Dry Creek. And you got to be really careful when laying out new

2324
01:36:41,520 --> 01:36:44,080
structures, new developments, uh that

2325
01:36:44,080 --> 01:36:47,280
you don't impact uh that natural water

2326
01:36:47,280 --> 01:36:50,239
course in ways that don't comply. I can

2327
01:36:50,239 --> 01:36:52,320
tell you from experience, the state of

2328
01:36:52,320 --> 01:36:55,679
California and Sonoma County uh and its

2329
01:36:55,679 --> 01:36:58,239
primary city, City of Santa Rosa, spent

2330
01:36:58,239 --> 01:37:01,840
years negotiating those provisions with

2331
01:37:01,840 --> 01:37:04,800
applicability to those uh communities

2332
01:37:04,800 --> 01:37:06,880
inside Sonoma County, including City of

2333
01:37:06,880 --> 01:37:10,000
Santa Rosa. My goodness gracious, it's

2334
01:37:10,000 --> 01:37:13,440
tough. Thank you.

2335
01:37:13,440 --> 01:37:16,080
>> Thank you, Richard. Any other public

2336
01:37:16,080 --> 01:37:20,239
comments, Mr. Luben?

2337
01:37:20,239 --> 01:37:23,760
Steve Luben. Um, I uh know that

2338
01:37:23,760 --> 01:37:26,080
Richard's been concerned about

2339
01:37:26,080 --> 01:37:28,400
maintaining the left turn lane to get

2340
01:37:28,400 --> 01:37:30,239
into the parking spaces along his

2341
01:37:30,239 --> 01:37:32,239
properties and up to the Gilbert

2342
01:37:32,239 --> 01:37:35,280
properties on Woodside Road. Um, I think

2343
01:37:35,280 --> 01:37:37,920
that that should be balanced and and I

2344
01:37:37,920 --> 01:37:39,360
think it's actually much more important

2345
01:37:39,360 --> 01:37:41,280
for us to kind of take control of

2346
01:37:41,280 --> 01:37:43,440
Woodside Road. There's no, you know,

2347
01:37:43,440 --> 01:37:45,440
people say they want to keep the the the

2348
01:37:45,440 --> 01:37:47,840
rural rustic nature of the town center,

2349
01:37:47,840 --> 01:37:50,960
but that section of road is neither

2350
01:37:50,960 --> 01:37:55,280
rural nor rustic and was was really,

2351
01:37:55,280 --> 01:37:57,920
you know, made quite inhospitable by

2352
01:37:57,920 --> 01:38:01,199
CALR widening. Uh the removal of the

2353
01:38:01,199 --> 01:38:03,119
parking along the north side, I don't

2354
01:38:03,119 --> 01:38:04,880
think, excuse me, Troy, but I don't

2355
01:38:04,880 --> 01:38:07,679
think there was CALRit initiated that.

2356
01:38:07,679 --> 01:38:10,400
The town initiated it at a time when the

2357
01:38:10,400 --> 01:38:12,239
pub was very busy and opened on the

2358
01:38:12,239 --> 01:38:14,239
Woodside Road and people were crossing

2359
01:38:14,239 --> 01:38:16,560
the road and actually the town council

2360
01:38:16,560 --> 01:38:19,520
removed that parking. So I think you

2361
01:38:19,520 --> 01:38:21,920
know replacing that parking would be a a

2362
01:38:21,920 --> 01:38:24,400
really lowhanging fruit to get more

2363
01:38:24,400 --> 01:38:26,960
parking in town and that probably

2364
01:38:26,960 --> 01:38:29,840
requires removal of the left turn lane.

2365
01:38:29,840 --> 01:38:32,560
Uh in in conjunction with that that you

2366
01:38:32,560 --> 01:38:33,920
know the pavement could be narrowed

2367
01:38:33,920 --> 01:38:36,159
there. We could have entrance features

2368
01:38:36,159 --> 01:38:38,800
starting at at hosiendas that slow

2369
01:38:38,800 --> 01:38:41,520
people down perhaps the roundabout there

2370
01:38:41,520 --> 01:38:43,679
that's been suggested so that people

2371
01:38:43,679 --> 01:38:45,920
come into that section of road at 20 m

2372
01:38:45,920 --> 01:38:49,360
an hour not 50 m an hour like they do

2373
01:38:49,360 --> 01:38:51,760
now. The the circulation committee

2374
01:38:51,760 --> 01:38:54,800
before my time on it recommended a you

2375
01:38:54,800 --> 01:38:57,520
know a free turn lane on Woodside Road

2376
01:38:57,520 --> 01:39:00,159
when you're coming off of Whiskey Hill

2377
01:39:00,159 --> 01:39:02,000
that you could have a center lane that

2378
01:39:02,000 --> 01:39:04,480
you could turn into. I think that idea

2379
01:39:04,480 --> 01:39:06,960
actually just facilitates people

2380
01:39:06,960 --> 01:39:09,119
speeding into town and accepts it. And I

2381
01:39:09,119 --> 01:39:10,719
don't think we should accept that. I

2382
01:39:10,719 --> 01:39:12,480
think we should we, you know, we should

2383
01:39:12,480 --> 01:39:15,280
have some some traffic calming measures

2384
01:39:15,280 --> 01:39:18,000
coming into town that get people down to

2385
01:39:18,000 --> 01:39:20,159
20 m an hour. Then it would be much

2386
01:39:20,159 --> 01:39:22,880
easier to turn into these parking spots.

2387
01:39:22,880 --> 01:39:24,639
People would get to a speed where

2388
01:39:24,639 --> 01:39:26,960
they're kind of personally negotiating

2389
01:39:26,960 --> 01:39:32,320
in traffic. And then that brings me to you know the intersection of Woodside

2390
01:39:32,320 --> 01:39:34,000
and Kinyatta Road. And I think you know

2391
01:39:34,000 --> 01:39:37,119
the direction the the the the town has

2392
01:39:37,119 --> 01:39:39,440
been taking is to just leave it alone.

2393
01:39:39,440 --> 01:39:41,600
And I think you know that's just not

2394
01:39:41,600 --> 01:39:43,600
feasible. That intersection doesn't

2395
01:39:43,600 --> 01:39:46,880
work. It needs some kind of radical

2396
01:39:46,880 --> 01:39:49,600
transformation to start working better.

2397
01:39:49,600 --> 01:39:52,239
I was originally quite opposed to

2398
01:39:52,239 --> 01:39:54,320
roundabouts there because I was using

2399
01:39:54,320 --> 01:39:57,440
the Stanford roundabouts as a model. the

2400
01:39:57,440 --> 01:39:59,679
uh the consultants have said, you know,

2401
01:39:59,679 --> 01:40:02,800
much smaller ones are possible. And I I

2402
01:40:02,800 --> 01:40:05,119
think using that there's some

2403
01:40:05,119 --> 01:40:07,679
possibilities to to fix that

2404
01:40:07,679 --> 01:40:09,360
intersection in a way, maybe using

2405
01:40:09,360 --> 01:40:11,040
roundabouts where you don't have to stop

2406
01:40:11,040 --> 01:40:13,840
at all driving through town center, but

2407
01:40:13,840 --> 01:40:20,159
you're going 20 miles an hour. And uh I really like practically all of the

2408
01:40:20,159 --> 01:40:24,960
housing proposals and my time's up.

2409
01:40:24,960 --> 01:40:31,750
Thank you. Other comments?

2410
01:40:31,760 --> 01:40:33,280
» There is, but it would be a second bite

2411
01:40:33,280 --> 01:40:34,719
of the apple. So, we'll see if there's

2412
01:40:34,719 --> 01:40:37,119
any first bites yet.

2413
01:40:37,119 --> 01:40:39,679
>> Um, as two members of the history

2414
01:40:39,679 --> 01:40:42,159
committee here tonight, we vehemently

2415
01:40:42,159 --> 01:40:45,040
object to moving this building. It was

2416
01:40:45,040 --> 01:40:47,440
so well, the whole complex was so welld

2417
01:40:47,440 --> 01:40:49,760
designed by Eshodi

2418
01:40:49,760 --> 01:40:51,280
Holmes

2419
01:40:51,280 --> 01:40:52,560
and

2420
01:40:52,560 --> 01:40:54,639
>> Davy Dodge and Davis. That's right.

2421
01:40:54,639 --> 01:40:57,840
Thank you. And um it it really is an

2422
01:40:57,840 --> 01:41:01,760
integral part of of of Town Center and

2423
01:41:01,760 --> 01:41:04,400
masterfully done to to have the staff

2424
01:41:04,400 --> 01:41:07,280
buildings complement this but not

2425
01:41:07,280 --> 01:41:09,440
detract from it. It's a it's a it's on

2426
01:41:09,440 --> 01:41:12,159
the National Register. So please let's

2427
01:41:12,159 --> 01:41:14,719
take that one off the table, right, Le?

2428
01:41:14,719 --> 01:41:16,480
And I mean I I'm speaking for two

2429
01:41:16,480 --> 01:41:18,560
members of the committee, but uh there

2430
01:41:18,560 --> 01:41:21,520
are other places and they consultants

2431
01:41:21,520 --> 01:41:23,840
have discussed those. I I think at one

2432
01:41:23,840 --> 01:41:26,960
point Dick Brown suggested some kind of

2433
01:41:26,960 --> 01:41:29,600
looking at some kind of institutional

2434
01:41:29,600 --> 01:41:36,149
housing on um

2435
01:41:36,159 --> 01:41:40,880
the hill and um village hill. Thank you.

2436
01:41:40,880 --> 01:41:43,119
And um that wouldn't require as much

2437
01:41:43,119 --> 01:41:47,440
parking um because it would be people

2438
01:41:47,440 --> 01:41:52,000
who you know would be like a facility. I I like that idea. I think you

2439
01:41:52,000 --> 01:41:54,560
presented a long time ago, but I I don't

2440
01:41:54,560 --> 01:41:56,320
think we're there yet, I guess, is what

2441
01:41:56,320 --> 01:41:58,239
I'm saying. I mean, there's still a lot

2442
01:41:58,239 --> 01:42:01,119
of loose ends and

2443
01:42:01,119 --> 01:42:02,880
the consultants have done a great job,

2444
01:42:02,880 --> 01:42:05,119
but there's still other ideas on the

2445
01:42:05,119 --> 01:42:08,639
table that I need, I think, need

2446
01:42:08,639 --> 01:42:12,880
to be looked at more specifically and maybe not implemented right away,

2447
01:42:12,880 --> 01:42:14,880
but certainly be part of a long range

2448
01:42:14,880 --> 01:42:16,239
plan. None of this is going to happen

2449
01:42:16,239 --> 01:42:21,040
right away. So, um, let's keep our minds

2450
01:42:21,040 --> 01:42:28,629
open.

2451
01:42:28,639 --> 01:42:31,600
» Gilbert,

2452
01:42:31,600 --> 01:42:36,000
>> um, I'm trying to absorb all this. I

2453
01:42:36,000 --> 01:42:38,719
don't like change very much.

2454
01:42:38,719 --> 01:42:41,840
Um, don't move this building anywhere,

2455
01:42:41,840 --> 01:42:45,520
by the way. I'll double with her. Um,

2456
01:42:45,520 --> 01:42:48,639
what I don't understand is why

2457
01:42:48,639 --> 01:42:50,480
basically, this may sound stupid at this

2458
01:42:50,480 --> 01:42:52,800
point of the game, but why the hell are

2459
01:42:52,800 --> 01:42:54,880
we doing this? We trying to make this

2460
01:42:54,880 --> 01:42:56,960
place bigger? Are we trying to make it

2461
01:42:56,960 --> 01:43:01,119
not so rural? Are we uh I just don't

2462
01:43:01,119 --> 01:43:03,679
understand. I don't think this is really

2463
01:43:03,679 --> 01:43:06,400
a terrible place to live right now. And

2464
01:43:06,400 --> 01:43:08,560
I think it's beautiful here. And there

2465
01:43:08,560 --> 01:43:10,239
are always going to be some things that

2466
01:43:10,239 --> 01:43:12,080
we could do to make it easier for people

2467
01:43:12,080 --> 01:43:14,880
to walk around town and stuff. I I'm all

2468
01:43:14,880 --> 01:43:19,360
for that. Safe walking around town, but

2469
01:43:19,360 --> 01:43:21,119
to make it a place where we're going to

2470
01:43:21,119 --> 01:43:23,600
attract more people to come here and

2471
01:43:23,600 --> 01:43:25,840
look over the town. Wow. And all this,

2472
01:43:25,840 --> 01:43:28,320
you know, I mean, I own stuff that, you

2473
01:43:28,320 --> 01:43:29,679
know, we could probably make more money

2474
01:43:29,679 --> 01:43:32,719
by doing it, you know, but um like a

2475
01:43:32,719 --> 01:43:35,119
restaurant or something like that, but I

2476
01:43:35,119 --> 01:43:37,760
like it lowkey. I don't need it now. Oh,

2477
01:43:37,760 --> 01:43:40,400
I don't want it now. I just want to see

2478
01:43:40,400 --> 01:43:44,320
Woodside stay the old town feeling that

2479
01:43:44,320 --> 01:43:47,119
it had at some point. And I see that

2480
01:43:47,119 --> 01:43:50,080
going out the window here. I really do.

2481
01:43:50,080 --> 01:43:52,639
And um I mean we have five and a half

2482
01:43:52,639 --> 01:43:55,679
acres. I have horses. I have chickens. I

2483
01:43:55,679 --> 01:43:58,159
have, you know, all kinds of stuff. But

2484
01:43:58,159 --> 01:44:00,639
um so I like it. And I think other

2485
01:44:00,639 --> 01:44:02,320
people like it too. The things that you

2486
01:44:02,320 --> 01:44:04,000
can't do. You know, I was born and

2487
01:44:04,000 --> 01:44:06,000
raised in San Francisco, so I didn't

2488
01:44:06,000 --> 01:44:08,000
have these things. Didn't have a horse.

2489
01:44:08,000 --> 01:44:10,000
I wanted a horse there, but my father

2490
01:44:10,000 --> 01:44:11,600
said, "No, you have to take that horse

2491
01:44:11,600 --> 01:44:15,600
back. Doesn't work here." So, I just

2492
01:44:15,600 --> 01:44:17,360
don't like the direction we're going in.

2493
01:44:17,360 --> 01:44:19,040
But, I'm going to stay with it, and I'll

2494
01:44:19,040 --> 01:44:21,360
have more to say as I see it opening up.

2495
01:44:21,360 --> 01:44:23,600
But, there's a lot of things that are so

2496
01:44:23,600 --> 01:44:25,920
different that it seems to me it's going

2497
01:44:25,920 --> 01:44:27,600
to attract a lot more people. And I

2498
01:44:27,600 --> 01:44:29,040
don't think that we're really set up for

2499
01:44:29,040 --> 01:44:31,360
that, to have that. It's going to be

2500
01:44:31,360 --> 01:44:34,080
overloaded. Where's the parking spaces?

2501
01:44:34,080 --> 01:44:35,760
I mean, it's ridiculous. It's hard

2502
01:44:35,760 --> 01:44:37,679
enough for the people that live here to

2503
01:44:37,679 --> 01:44:40,159
have a family come and visit them or

2504
01:44:40,159 --> 01:44:41,440
something and sometimes they have to

2505
01:44:41,440 --> 01:44:44,239
park in the parking lot. I It's just

2506
01:44:44,239 --> 01:44:47,119
It's too much. I guess I'm just too old

2507
01:44:47,119 --> 01:44:51,600
now. I I strike that. But

2508
01:44:51,600 --> 01:44:54,480
so, somebody tell me why we're doing

2509
01:44:54,480 --> 01:44:57,199
this. I want to know why we're doing

2510
01:44:57,199 --> 01:44:58,880
this. Why are we going to spend I know

2511
01:44:58,880 --> 01:45:01,679
the state must be putting their stupid

2512
01:45:01,679 --> 01:45:05,199
ass ideas in here, but how can we avoid

2513
01:45:05,199 --> 01:45:07,840
what the best we can and try to keep us

2514
01:45:07,840 --> 01:45:11,840
buholic and small and special here? I I

2515
01:45:11,840 --> 01:45:14,880
don't want to lose our specialness in

2516
01:45:14,880 --> 01:45:17,520
this town. I think I've lived here 60

2517
01:45:17,520 --> 01:45:20,000
years now, even though I'm only 45. I

2518
01:45:20,000 --> 01:45:23,440
don't know that happened, but um I don't

2519
01:45:23,440 --> 01:45:26,480
know. I want to keep it small and kind

2520
01:45:26,480 --> 01:45:31,119
of rural and just funky.

2521
01:45:31,119 --> 01:45:32,880
>> Yeah. Thank you, Leanne. We're all

2522
01:45:32,880 --> 01:45:34,000
trying to figure out how to do that,

2523
01:45:34,000 --> 01:45:35,360
too. I mean, it's just the reason it's

2524
01:45:35,360 --> 01:45:36,560
happening now. It's been a couple

2525
01:45:36,560 --> 01:45:39,520
decades since we took a look at it. And

2526
01:45:39,520 --> 01:45:41,040
more acutely, it's because it's a part

2527
01:45:41,040 --> 01:45:43,199
of the housing element. It's due to HCD

2528
01:45:43,199 --> 01:45:44,880
as part of our midcycle review early

2529
01:45:44,880 --> 01:45:46,400
next year. So, that's why it's happening

2530
01:45:46,400 --> 01:45:48,960
right now.

2531
01:45:48,960 --> 01:45:52,800
Are there any other firsttime comments

2532
01:45:52,800 --> 01:45:54,800
then? Uh, Richard, since your name was

2533
01:45:54,800 --> 01:45:57,040
evoked, we're going to give you the rare

2534
01:45:57,040 --> 01:45:58,320
second bite of the apple.

2535
01:45:58,320 --> 01:46:01,360
>> Yes, quick comment on Steve's comment.

2536
01:46:01,360 --> 01:46:04,560
Uh, I think we covered uh that topic,

2537
01:46:04,560 --> 01:46:06,960
circulation and transportation at the

2538
01:46:06,960 --> 01:46:11,040
end of April. Uh to us those parking

2539
01:46:11,040 --> 01:46:13,760
spots on the north side of the buildings

2540
01:46:13,760 --> 01:46:17,040
in that stretch, central stretch of town

2541
01:46:17,040 --> 01:46:19,840
center are absolutely important

2542
01:46:19,840 --> 01:46:22,880
particularly if we want to as a town

2543
01:46:22,880 --> 01:46:27,360
continue to try to attract retail in our

2544
01:46:27,360 --> 01:46:29,600
building uh primary building, the bigger

2545
01:46:29,600 --> 01:46:32,000
building. Uh we've had of course Chase

2546
01:46:32,000 --> 01:46:35,119
Bank but earlier a dentist for a long

2547
01:46:35,119 --> 01:46:38,080
time and the dentist's son for a long

2548
01:46:38,080 --> 01:46:42,080
time a barber and a doctor a doctor

2549
01:46:42,080 --> 01:46:45,600
upstairs as well as downstairs. Parking

2550
01:46:45,600 --> 01:46:48,080
having private parking spaces along

2551
01:46:48,080 --> 01:46:51,280
Woodside Road which have existed now for

2552
01:46:51,280 --> 01:46:54,800
many decades. Absolutely key uh to

2553
01:46:54,800 --> 01:46:58,159
keeping retail as an option for that

2554
01:46:58,159 --> 01:47:02,480
first story. um converting those those

2555
01:47:02,480 --> 01:47:05,679
spaces over, whether improving them as

2556
01:47:05,679 --> 01:47:08,400
building add-ons or additions, and

2557
01:47:08,400 --> 01:47:11,679
converting all the parking on the south

2558
01:47:11,679 --> 01:47:15,920
side of Woodside Road to public spaces

2559
01:47:15,920 --> 01:47:18,960
would likely discourage any sort of

2560
01:47:18,960 --> 01:47:22,080
retail there. Thank you very much.

2561
01:47:22,080 --> 01:47:27,830
>> Thank you. Any other public comments?

2562
01:47:27,840 --> 01:47:31,600
Uh, we go tit for tat for a while. I do

2563
01:47:31,600 --> 01:47:33,600
you have a one minute followup?

2564
01:47:33,600 --> 01:47:36,719
>> Uh, yeah. I I wasn't wasn't uh proposing

2565
01:47:36,719 --> 01:47:38,960
getting rid of the parking. I uh do

2566
01:47:38,960 --> 01:47:41,119
think that if that parking were shared,

2567
01:47:41,119 --> 01:47:43,199
even if we're still private parking, if

2568
01:47:43,199 --> 01:47:45,119
it were shared, there would be

2569
01:47:45,119 --> 01:47:47,119
opportunity to have more available

2570
01:47:47,119 --> 01:47:49,679
parking because as it is now, each each

2571
01:47:49,679 --> 01:47:53,360
individual property needs its handicap

2572
01:47:53,360 --> 01:47:55,360
parking space. If it were shared, there

2573
01:47:55,360 --> 01:47:58,080
would only have to be one out of 25

2574
01:47:58,080 --> 01:48:00,639
parking spaces be a handicap parking

2575
01:48:00,639 --> 01:48:02,639
space. So, I think could actually

2576
01:48:02,639 --> 01:48:05,840
increase the amount of of public parking

2577
01:48:05,840 --> 01:48:07,520
spaces. And I think if traffic were

2578
01:48:07,520 --> 01:48:10,239
slower on the road, the access would not

2579
01:48:10,239 --> 01:48:13,920
be a problem.

2580
01:48:13,920 --> 01:48:17,750
>> Thank you. I think

2581
01:48:17,760 --> 01:48:19,760
I get a little guidance. Um, we continue

2582
01:48:19,760 --> 01:48:21,199
with public comment even though people

2583
01:48:21,199 --> 01:48:22,800
are taking second and third bites at the

2584
01:48:22,800 --> 01:48:23,920
apple.

2585
01:48:23,920 --> 01:48:26,320
It's your choice.

2586
01:48:26,320 --> 01:48:31,030
>> Okay. Uh third bite, Richard.

2587
01:48:31,040 --> 01:48:34,080
» Yeah, quick comment again. Uh these

2588
01:48:34,080 --> 01:48:37,280
spots would be public spots, not under

2589
01:48:37,280 --> 01:48:39,119
the control of any private property

2590
01:48:39,119 --> 01:48:41,119
owner. And so there's good reason to

2591
01:48:41,119 --> 01:48:43,440
believe that without constraints and

2592
01:48:43,440 --> 01:48:46,080
control over those public spots, they'd

2593
01:48:46,080 --> 01:48:49,280
be occupied, Steve. they'd be used and

2594
01:48:49,280 --> 01:48:54,000
not by the uh tenants, the the visitors,

2595
01:48:54,000 --> 01:48:56,239
the guests, but by others. This

2596
01:48:56,239 --> 01:48:58,239
concept's been around since the Woodside

2597
01:48:58,239 --> 01:49:00,320
Road, Whiskey Hill Road Parking

2598
01:49:00,320 --> 01:49:02,639
Assessment District, a district which

2599
01:49:02,639 --> 01:49:04,880
burdened the town with significant

2600
01:49:04,880 --> 01:49:07,840
financial obligations and failed in part

2601
01:49:07,840 --> 01:49:11,040
because of this concept along the south

2602
01:49:11,040 --> 01:49:14,080
side of Woodside Road. Thank you.

2603
01:49:14,080 --> 01:49:15,840
>> Thank you.

2604
01:49:15,840 --> 01:49:19,520
Okay. Any other comments?

2605
01:49:19,520 --> 01:49:21,040
All right. Maybe we'll get the two of

2606
01:49:21,040 --> 01:49:23,840
you in a room to hash that out. Um,

2607
01:49:23,840 --> 01:49:26,239
okay. We'll close public comment um and

2608
01:49:26,239 --> 01:49:28,639
move on to council discussion and

2609
01:49:28,639 --> 01:49:31,119
direction. Anyone want to kick things

2610
01:49:31,119 --> 01:49:32,880
off? Yes.

2611
01:49:32,880 --> 01:49:35,119
>> Can we make a process suggestion? I

2612
01:49:35,119 --> 01:49:36,800
think one it would be really helpful if

2613
01:49:36,800 --> 01:49:39,199
we could see the Yeah. For each section

2614
01:49:39,199 --> 01:49:41,679
like see the questions for council. Can

2615
01:49:41,679 --> 01:49:44,080
we take it topic by topic so we're not

2616
01:49:44,080 --> 01:49:45,360
just like Okay,

2617
01:49:45,360 --> 01:49:47,119
>> that was the proposed approach.

2618
01:49:47,119 --> 01:49:50,080
>> Great.

2619
01:49:50,080 --> 01:49:53,199
>> Well, let's start with parking.

2620
01:49:53,199 --> 01:49:56,080
Any thoughts on parking?

2621
01:49:56,080 --> 01:49:56,560
>> Yes.

2622
01:49:56,560 --> 01:49:59,440
>> Okay, Mr. Council Member Brown.

2623
01:49:59,440 --> 01:50:02,320
>> Um, yes. And, uh, I guess my first

2624
01:50:02,320 --> 01:50:03,520
comment is I think you're

2625
01:50:03,520 --> 01:50:05,199
underestimating or your research

2626
01:50:05,199 --> 01:50:08,159
underestimated the number of parking

2627
01:50:08,159 --> 01:50:10,880
spaces occupied by biclers. I think any

2628
01:50:10,880 --> 01:50:13,199
of the uh property owners around here

2629
01:50:13,199 --> 01:50:17,520
would say this parking lot is full

2630
01:50:17,520 --> 01:50:20,320
before we even get here in many days. Um

2631
01:50:20,320 --> 01:50:21,840
and they all have bike racks on the

2632
01:50:21,840 --> 01:50:25,440
back. And so I don't think 10% is a

2633
01:50:25,440 --> 01:50:27,199
representative number of how many spaces

2634
01:50:27,199 --> 01:50:31,119
are occupied by bikers. Uh and that

2635
01:50:31,119 --> 01:50:32,639
would lead me to believe that if they

2636
01:50:32,639 --> 01:50:36,880
are a lot more significant that some

2637
01:50:36,880 --> 01:50:40,560
really solid ideas about how to

2638
01:50:40,560 --> 01:50:44,080
restrict the time and the person's using

2639
01:50:44,080 --> 01:50:50,390
it perhaps um would be very very useful.

2640
01:50:50,400 --> 01:50:52,000
» Okay.

2641
01:50:52,000 --> 01:50:54,480
Others

2642
01:50:54,480 --> 01:50:55,600
>> Yeah, I can go.

2643
01:50:55,600 --> 01:50:58,480
>> Okay. Um, so I think there's a lot of

2644
01:50:58,480 --> 01:51:00,159
good ideas here and I generally agree

2645
01:51:00,159 --> 01:51:04,080
with the um what I think is the

2646
01:51:04,080 --> 01:51:06,000
consensus or the the general feeling

2647
01:51:06,000 --> 01:51:09,520
from the advisory committee. Um the

2648
01:51:09,520 --> 01:51:11,840
notion of parking enforcement I'll start

2649
01:51:11,840 --> 01:51:13,760
with yeah parking enforcement on on town

2650
01:51:13,760 --> 01:51:17,199
lots. Um I think that's pretty easy and

2651
01:51:17,199 --> 01:51:20,960
a good idea. Um the idea of parking

2652
01:51:20,960 --> 01:51:24,000
enforcement on private lots has been the

2653
01:51:24,000 --> 01:51:26,719
topic of a lot of conversation. Um we

2654
01:51:26,719 --> 01:51:30,159
had a town ad hoc uh subcommittee that

2655
01:51:30,159 --> 01:51:32,480
looked at this for a while or tried to

2656
01:51:32,480 --> 01:51:35,040
um to facilitate conversations around

2657
01:51:35,040 --> 01:51:45,360
this. Um I you know I don't know what the willingness of the commercial property owners is on

2658
01:51:45,360 --> 01:51:46,880
this topic but I think it would be

2659
01:51:46,880 --> 01:51:48,560
wonderful if there's parking enforcement

2660
01:51:48,560 --> 01:51:50,880
on town lots if we could have similar

2661
01:51:50,880 --> 01:51:52,480
parking enforcement on private lots. I

2662
01:51:52,480 --> 01:51:55,440
think having that consistency townwide

2663
01:51:55,440 --> 01:51:58,560
in the commercial center would be um

2664
01:51:58,560 --> 01:52:00,400
would be useful to the public just, you

2665
01:52:00,400 --> 01:52:01,760
know, you wouldn't have to think, oh, am

2666
01:52:01,760 --> 01:52:04,800
I on a on a private lot or a town lot?

2667
01:52:04,800 --> 01:52:07,440
Like consistent parking enforcement in

2668
01:52:07,440 --> 01:52:10,800
our in our town center. Um I think is a

2669
01:52:10,800 --> 01:52:13,920
great idea and um would would help

2670
01:52:13,920 --> 01:52:15,199
people understand kind of what the

2671
01:52:15,199 --> 01:52:18,800
enforcement is. Um I also heard some

2672
01:52:18,800 --> 01:52:24,000
suggestions around signage. Um, I think signage is important. If you're

2673
01:52:24,000 --> 01:52:25,119
going to have enforcement, you need to

2674
01:52:25,119 --> 01:52:28,480
have signage. Um, and I really like the

2675
01:52:28,480 --> 01:52:31,599
idea of um

2676
01:52:31,599 --> 01:52:34,719
creating new parking on Woodside Road.

2677
01:52:34,719 --> 01:52:36,880
Um, I think that, you know, I'm not an

2678
01:52:36,880 --> 01:52:38,880
expert here, but I think that might have

2679
01:52:38,880 --> 01:52:43,280
um an additional impact of um slowing

2680
01:52:43,280 --> 01:52:46,000
down traffic, which I think would be um

2681
01:52:46,000 --> 01:52:49,360
a win-win. And

2682
01:52:49,360 --> 01:52:51,440
I would look at it, you know, not just

2683
01:52:51,440 --> 01:52:52,800
near the little store, I think that's a

2684
01:52:52,800 --> 01:52:55,840
great idea, but like the entire uh

2685
01:52:55,840 --> 01:53:00,320
length of what we've identified as the town center. Um because we are

2686
01:53:00,320 --> 01:53:01,840
parking constrained, so there's

2687
01:53:01,840 --> 01:53:05,280
opportunities to to find areas for

2688
01:53:05,280 --> 01:53:07,199
additional parking that would, you know,

2689
01:53:07,199 --> 01:53:10,400
increase our optionality in other areas.

2690
01:53:10,400 --> 01:53:12,159
Um

2691
01:53:12,159 --> 01:53:13,599
so yeah, those are my thoughts on

2692
01:53:13,599 --> 01:53:15,199
parking.

2693
01:53:15,199 --> 01:53:16,880
Any

2694
01:53:16,880 --> 01:53:20,149
other thoughts?

2695
01:53:20,159 --> 01:53:22,639
Generally agree. Um I think enforcement

2696
01:53:22,639 --> 01:53:25,760
seems like really lowhanging fruit and

2697
01:53:25,760 --> 01:53:27,440
um

2698
01:53:27,440 --> 01:53:29,520
yeah and I like the idea of uh opening

2699
01:53:29,520 --> 01:53:33,040
up more parking uh along

2700
01:53:33,040 --> 01:53:37,280
uh Woodside Road. We can allow make

2701
01:53:37,280 --> 01:53:40,719
changes to allow I don't um Yeah, there

2702
01:53:40,719 --> 01:53:43,760
it is. Uh yeah, but I think parking

2703
01:53:43,760 --> 01:53:48,709
enforcement is probably the easiest.

2704
01:53:48,719 --> 01:53:51,199
» Um yeah, I wanted to um I've got a few

2705
01:53:51,199 --> 01:53:55,040
comments about parking. Um one,

2706
01:53:55,040 --> 01:53:58,960
I think I'm very mindful of Leanne

2707
01:53:58,960 --> 01:54:00,800
Gilbert and Christine Roberts and

2708
01:54:00,800 --> 01:54:02,880
Richard Urststead, the protecting our

2709
01:54:02,880 --> 01:54:04,880
commercial interests here. Um, the

2710
01:54:04,880 --> 01:54:07,520
comment was made, I think I made it

2711
01:54:07,520 --> 01:54:09,599
actually, but the comment was made uh at

2712
01:54:09,599 --> 01:54:11,840
a previous meeting that one day we're

2713
01:54:11,840 --> 01:54:12,960
going to wake up and we're going to find

2714
01:54:12,960 --> 01:54:14,800
out that Christine has closed Robert's

2715
01:54:14,800 --> 01:54:16,159
Market and it's going to be uh, you

2716
01:54:16,159 --> 01:54:17,840
know, condominiums and office buildings

2717
01:54:17,840 --> 01:54:19,840
because it it just the the business

2718
01:54:19,840 --> 01:54:21,199
model doesn't work anymore and

2719
01:54:21,199 --> 01:54:24,000
everybody's going to go, "Oh, shoot. Um,

2720
01:54:24,000 --> 01:54:25,760
well, that's bad. Um, what are we going

2721
01:54:25,760 --> 01:54:27,119
to do now? Are we going to bring it

2722
01:54:27,119 --> 01:54:28,400
back? It'll be too late." And, you know,

2723
01:54:28,400 --> 01:54:30,000
we see that all the time. Drugstores

2724
01:54:30,000 --> 01:54:32,480
close and restaurants close. and it's

2725
01:54:32,480 --> 01:54:35,199
tough these days to do it and parking is

2726
01:54:35,199 --> 01:54:38,000
a big part of that and we've heard that

2727
01:54:38,000 --> 01:54:39,679
from all three of the people that I

2728
01:54:39,679 --> 01:54:41,520
mentioned before. So, I think protecting

2729
01:54:41,520 --> 01:54:42,880
those interests, but I do want to

2730
01:54:42,880 --> 01:54:46,960
mention something um kind of my my one

2731
01:54:46,960 --> 01:54:48,880
of my pet issues here that I've brought

2732
01:54:48,880 --> 01:54:50,880
up for a long time and that's, you know,

2733
01:54:50,880 --> 01:54:53,119
we're we're sort of complicated by legal

2734
01:54:53,119 --> 01:54:54,880
issues and what's going on at Kinyatta

2735
01:54:54,880 --> 01:54:57,280
Corners right now and lawsuits and try

2736
01:54:57,280 --> 01:54:58,719
to expand parking and those sorts of

2737
01:54:58,719 --> 01:55:04,560
things. And I made the point before that during the pandemic we expanded

2738
01:55:04,560 --> 01:55:07,840
outdoor dining and we added 120 diners

2739
01:55:07,840 --> 01:55:10,560
and we didn't add parking. And so the

2740
01:55:10,560 --> 01:55:13,840
fact that you know during that the last

2741
01:55:13,840 --> 01:55:15,360
three or four years just before I came

2742
01:55:15,360 --> 01:55:18,880
on the council um that there was a lot

2743
01:55:18,880 --> 01:55:20,480
of problem with parking at Kinyatta

2744
01:55:20,480 --> 01:55:23,199
Corners. Well, duh. We added 120 diners,

2745
01:55:23,199 --> 01:55:25,840
60 seats outdoors in front of Bucks and

2746
01:55:25,840 --> 01:55:28,000
60 seats in front of the bakery. And we,

2747
01:55:28,000 --> 01:55:30,719
you know, it's it's not magic that

2748
01:55:30,719 --> 01:55:32,159
suddenly people couldn't find a parking

2749
01:55:32,159 --> 01:55:34,080
space. And my point at the time was,

2750
01:55:34,080 --> 01:55:35,599
could we just enforce the conditional

2751
01:55:35,599 --> 01:55:38,000
use permit? And if they've got 120 seats

2752
01:55:38,000 --> 01:55:40,480
outside, let's remove 120 seats inside

2753
01:55:40,480 --> 01:55:42,480
and parking should go back to where it

2754
01:55:42,480 --> 01:55:43,920
was. I don't know that that's the case,

2755
01:55:43,920 --> 01:55:47,040
but it was certainly worth

2756
01:55:47,040 --> 01:55:48,960
running that little experiment. And of

2757
01:55:48,960 --> 01:55:50,480
course the town council at the time

2758
01:55:50,480 --> 01:55:52,800
refused. Um I brought it up several

2759
01:55:52,800 --> 01:55:54,639
times to the town attorney and to the

2760
01:55:54,639 --> 01:55:56,560
town council and they had reasonable

2761
01:55:56,560 --> 01:55:58,560
excuses but there were excuses. We

2762
01:55:58,560 --> 01:56:00,480
didn't do it. So now we're in this

2763
01:56:00,480 --> 01:56:02,560
draconian mode of you know we eliminated

2764
01:56:02,560 --> 01:56:03,920
outdoor dining and there's kind of a

2765
01:56:03,920 --> 01:56:05,599
little bit of a war going on and it's

2766
01:56:05,599 --> 01:56:08,000
very unfortunate. But I think that

2767
01:56:08,000 --> 01:56:10,320
that's sort of one of the issues that

2768
01:56:10,320 --> 01:56:12,000
we've got is is there enough parking?

2769
01:56:12,000 --> 01:56:14,560
Well, now I mean it's still a problem,

2770
01:56:14,560 --> 01:56:16,719
but it's less of a problem than it was

2771
01:56:16,719 --> 01:56:18,560
when there were those, what do they call

2772
01:56:18,560 --> 01:56:20,639
them? Parklets in front of those two

2773
01:56:20,639 --> 01:56:22,880
buildings that consume spaces and added

2774
01:56:22,880 --> 01:56:26,560
a lot of patrons. So, we can't ignore

2775
01:56:26,560 --> 01:56:29,199
that. Um, but I think we do need more

2776
01:56:29,199 --> 01:56:31,679
parking. The two biggest constituencies

2777
01:56:31,679 --> 01:56:35,280
I think that are that we can that are

2778
01:56:35,280 --> 01:56:37,599
variables that we can play with. I I I

2779
01:56:37,599 --> 01:56:39,280
don't you know, people who go to the

2780
01:56:39,280 --> 01:56:40,719
restaurants want to park there. People

2781
01:56:40,719 --> 01:56:42,239
who go to the Pioneer want to park

2782
01:56:42,239 --> 01:56:43,599
there. People who want to come to the

2783
01:56:43,599 --> 01:56:45,679
town center want to park there. But

2784
01:56:45,679 --> 01:56:47,199
there are two groups that don't

2785
01:56:47,199 --> 01:56:49,679
necessarily need to park there who come

2786
01:56:49,679 --> 01:56:52,400
here. And those two group are employees

2787
01:56:52,400 --> 01:56:55,440
and bike riders. And those are big

2788
01:56:55,440 --> 01:56:57,280
numbers. Those aren't this isn't like a

2789
01:56:57,280 --> 01:56:59,119
rounding error. Those are big big

2790
01:56:59,119 --> 01:57:01,840
constituencies. And I think I mentioned

2791
01:57:01,840 --> 01:57:03,760
it may have been at the at one of the

2792
01:57:03,760 --> 01:57:06,880
meetings that we had is that rather than

2793
01:57:06,880 --> 01:57:10,560
try to patrol out or enforce out bike

2794
01:57:10,560 --> 01:57:12,560
riders by they're going to park here.

2795
01:57:12,560 --> 01:57:15,199
They're they're you know they're if

2796
01:57:15,199 --> 01:57:16,400
there's an open spot, they're going to

2797
01:57:16,400 --> 01:57:18,480
park there. And we all see them lined up

2798
01:57:18,480 --> 01:57:20,560
here and taking their bicycles off and

2799
01:57:20,560 --> 01:57:23,599
they they consume 20 30 40 50 parking

2800
01:57:23,599 --> 01:57:25,920
spaces and usually the best ones too.

2801
01:57:25,920 --> 01:57:29,199
and they they can use those spaces on a

2802
01:57:29,199 --> 01:57:31,920
weekend all day and uh nobody does

2803
01:57:31,920 --> 01:57:33,840
anything about it. So my my my

2804
01:57:33,840 --> 01:57:37,679
suggestion was rather than trying to um

2805
01:57:37,679 --> 01:57:40,400
disincentivize them to park there, let's

2806
01:57:40,400 --> 01:57:42,800
find a place that incentivizes them to

2807
01:57:42,800 --> 01:57:46,159
go there. And so perhaps if there was a

2808
01:57:46,159 --> 01:57:49,360
really state-of-the-art lot or bike

2809
01:57:49,360 --> 01:57:51,119
riders to go. They don't I mean they

2810
01:57:51,119 --> 01:57:52,239
they're getting in their bikes and

2811
01:57:52,239 --> 01:57:53,360
they're riding anyway. they want to

2812
01:57:53,360 --> 01:57:55,679
ride, but but find a state-of-the-art

2813
01:57:55,679 --> 01:57:56,960
place that we could put them, whether

2814
01:57:56,960 --> 01:57:58,800
it's on Kinata Road or Woodside Road or

2815
01:57:58,800 --> 01:58:01,360
out on Whiskey Hill. I mean, I I don't

2816
01:58:01,360 --> 01:58:03,199
I'm not going to identify the the

2817
01:58:03,199 --> 01:58:05,119
location. Um, but find a

2818
01:58:05,119 --> 01:58:06,560
state-of-the-art where they can work on

2819
01:58:06,560 --> 01:58:08,719
their bicycles, where there's air, where

2820
01:58:08,719 --> 01:58:10,960
there's repair areas, where there's

2821
01:58:10,960 --> 01:58:12,719
lockup facilities, where they can lock,

2822
01:58:12,719 --> 01:58:14,639
where it's going to be safe and and, you

2823
01:58:14,639 --> 01:58:16,560
know, nice instead of having to like

2824
01:58:16,560 --> 01:58:18,080
weave in and out of traffic and those

2825
01:58:18,080 --> 01:58:20,239
sort of things. incentivize them to go

2826
01:58:20,239 --> 01:58:22,880
somewhere proactively where they say, "I

2827
01:58:22,880 --> 01:58:24,080
don't want to park downtown. I'd rather

2828
01:58:24,080 --> 01:58:26,239
park there with all my friends and, you

2829
01:58:26,239 --> 01:58:28,080
know, we'll get to ride down Whiskey

2830
01:58:28,080 --> 01:58:29,920
Hill, you know, hill or we'll get to

2831
01:58:29,920 --> 01:58:31,360
ride down, you know, someplace that's a

2832
01:58:31,360 --> 01:58:32,960
little more." They don't convenience for

2833
01:58:32,960 --> 01:58:34,880
them is probably less of an issue.

2834
01:58:34,880 --> 01:58:36,480
That's bike riders. That's a big number

2835
01:58:36,480 --> 01:58:38,800
and that really impacts our riding. The

2836
01:58:38,800 --> 01:58:40,800
other one is perhaps with the employees,

2837
01:58:40,800 --> 01:58:42,000
it's a pretty big number. I don't know

2838
01:58:42,000 --> 01:58:43,520
how many you have at the Pioneer or how

2839
01:58:43,520 --> 01:58:46,080
many they have at Roberts or Pinñata

2840
01:58:46,080 --> 01:58:48,480
Corners, but and or Town Center for that

2841
01:58:48,480 --> 01:58:50,239
matter, but if we could find a remote

2842
01:58:50,239 --> 01:58:51,760
lot that had a shuttle that went back

2843
01:58:51,760 --> 01:58:53,360
and forth and brought people in, kind of

2844
01:58:53,360 --> 01:58:54,719
a pain in the neck. I know. I don't

2845
01:58:54,719 --> 01:58:56,159
particularly like it either getting on

2846
01:58:56,159 --> 01:58:58,320
shuttles, but it is a way of getting

2847
01:58:58,320 --> 01:59:00,560
people out of this area and creating

2848
01:59:00,560 --> 01:59:02,159
more parking spaces. So, there are

2849
01:59:02,159 --> 01:59:03,920
opportunities there. Just trying to

2850
01:59:03,920 --> 01:59:05,520
think a little bit out of the box here.

2851
01:59:05,520 --> 01:59:06,960
It's not it's something to throw out

2852
01:59:06,960 --> 01:59:08,880
there, you know, and then everybody can

2853
01:59:08,880 --> 01:59:11,040
shoot it down immediately afterwards.

2854
01:59:11,040 --> 01:59:14,159
But there are opportunities to get two

2855
01:59:14,159 --> 01:59:17,760
big constituent groups outside for

2856
01:59:17,760 --> 01:59:19,440
positive reasons, not as not as

2857
01:59:19,440 --> 01:59:22,159
punishment, but but make it attractive,

2858
01:59:22,159 --> 01:59:23,760
especially for bike riders, which is a

2859
01:59:23,760 --> 01:59:29,830
big number, to go someplace else. Um

2860
01:59:29,840 --> 01:59:31,520
the

2861
01:59:31,520 --> 01:59:35,669
um

2862
01:59:35,679 --> 01:59:37,840
I think that's it. That's enough on

2863
01:59:37,840 --> 01:59:38,800
parking.

2864
01:59:38,800 --> 01:59:42,960
>> Okay. Um maybe I'll go next. Um I'll

2865
01:59:42,960 --> 01:59:44,800
just say that park and expansion is just

2866
01:59:44,800 --> 01:59:47,440
to echo that absolutely critical and uh

2867
01:59:47,440 --> 01:59:49,599
we are significantly constrained and we

2868
01:59:49,599 --> 01:59:51,360
might end up significantly constrained

2869
01:59:51,360 --> 01:59:54,239
if if things don't settle the right way.

2870
01:59:54,239 --> 01:59:56,800
And I do suspect uh to echo Council

2871
01:59:56,800 --> 01:59:59,360
Member Gold's comments that

2872
01:59:59,360 --> 02:00:01,199
over the next 5 to 10 years, I don't

2873
02:00:01,199 --> 02:00:02,960
think people appreciate the long-term

2874
02:00:02,960 --> 02:00:04,400
ramifications of that in this

2875
02:00:04,400 --> 02:00:06,480
environment that the sustainability of

2876
02:00:06,480 --> 02:00:08,000
the services that are offered downtown

2877
02:00:08,000 --> 02:00:10,239
are going to just disappear. So, I

2878
02:00:10,239 --> 02:00:12,560
completely agree with that. Uh I like

2879
02:00:12,560 --> 02:00:14,239
the enforcement a lot. I don't like the

2880
02:00:14,239 --> 02:00:18,080
meters. Um on the off-site parking, I

2881
02:00:18,080 --> 02:00:19,199
thought that was actually a charming

2882
02:00:19,199 --> 02:00:20,719
idea with the bicycles. I was just

2883
02:00:20,719 --> 02:00:22,639
thinking as a I'm sure other bicyclists

2884
02:00:22,639 --> 02:00:25,520
on the on the call right now are uh you

2885
02:00:25,520 --> 02:00:27,119
think about Tonita Creek and that little

2886
02:00:27,119 --> 02:00:28,480
red shed out there. There are certain

2887
02:00:28,480 --> 02:00:30,159
places that you go on your bike because

2888
02:00:30,159 --> 02:00:32,000
there are sort of replenishment stations

2889
02:00:32,000 --> 02:00:33,760
and things like that that make it worth

2890
02:00:33,760 --> 02:00:36,560
sort of uh doing on your long ride. And

2891
02:00:36,560 --> 02:00:38,639
so that's a very interesting idea to

2892
02:00:38,639 --> 02:00:40,880
pursue. The area I would differ on is

2893
02:00:40,880 --> 02:00:43,119
the idea of remote uh parking for

2894
02:00:43,119 --> 02:00:45,920
employees. And I mean, I've heard this.

2895
02:00:45,920 --> 02:00:48,080
I mean, as recall, six years ago, these

2896
02:00:48,080 --> 02:00:49,679
were our essential workers we put on a

2897
02:00:49,679 --> 02:00:51,040
pedestal, right? And now all of a

2898
02:00:51,040 --> 02:00:52,560
sudden, we're trying to figure out if

2899
02:00:52,560 --> 02:00:54,960
there can be remote um parking and a

2900
02:00:54,960 --> 02:00:57,840
shuttle. These are people with kids in

2901
02:00:57,840 --> 02:00:59,360
school and when somebody gets sick and

2902
02:00:59,360 --> 02:01:00,719
they got to wait an hour for a shuttle

2903
02:01:00,719 --> 02:01:02,320
and they get out, you know, it's just

2904
02:01:02,320 --> 02:01:05,199
not I just don't I don't I don't I want

2905
02:01:05,199 --> 02:01:06,639
to be more welcoming than that to the

2906
02:01:06,639 --> 02:01:08,080
people that are serving the community.

2907
02:01:08,080 --> 02:01:10,400
So, I guess that would be the place I'd

2908
02:01:10,400 --> 02:01:12,400
So, I'm not a real fan of this. I think

2909
02:01:12,400 --> 02:01:14,159
the remote offsite is really interesting

2910
02:01:14,159 --> 02:01:15,440
if there was a way to do it for the

2911
02:01:15,440 --> 02:01:17,440
bikes. Uh I don't know where that would

2912
02:01:17,440 --> 02:01:20,800
be, but it's a good idea. Uh with the

2913
02:01:20,800 --> 02:01:23,280
services parked there, what a charming

2914
02:01:23,280 --> 02:01:24,800
idea. Could be absolutely charming

2915
02:01:24,800 --> 02:01:28,880
actually. Um uh so I would just but not

2916
02:01:28,880 --> 02:01:30,960
for the employees and we are constrained

2917
02:01:30,960 --> 02:01:32,320
on the employees and that's why it's

2918
02:01:32,320 --> 02:01:33,920
unfortunate we don't have an expanded

2919
02:01:33,920 --> 02:01:35,840
parking situation for kinata corners

2920
02:01:35,840 --> 02:01:37,599
right now.

2921
02:01:37,599 --> 02:01:39,040
>> You had more to say. I could tell.

2922
02:01:39,040 --> 02:01:40,400
>> Sorry. I just was wanted to pick up on

2923
02:01:40,400 --> 02:01:43,040
some of these comments. So, um, yeah, I

2924
02:01:43,040 --> 02:01:45,920
think 100% to the tagline of parking

2925
02:01:45,920 --> 02:01:48,960
expansion is critical. Um, and I think

2926
02:01:48,960 --> 02:01:51,920
connected to that, and I I neglected to

2927
02:01:51,920 --> 02:01:53,280
talk about this in my first round of

2928
02:01:53,280 --> 02:01:56,320
comments, but, um, regarding like

2929
02:01:56,320 --> 02:01:58,239
reducing parking requirements for low

2930
02:01:58,239 --> 02:02:00,719
inensity uses and and reducing parking

2931
02:02:00,719 --> 02:02:03,040
requirements for highintensity uses, I'm

2932
02:02:03,040 --> 02:02:04,320
very much in support of that, but I

2933
02:02:04,320 --> 02:02:06,560
might rephrase it as like let's just

2934
02:02:06,560 --> 02:02:08,159
look at our parking requirements for

2935
02:02:08,159 --> 02:02:10,880
these uses. I think um I think there's

2936
02:02:10,880 --> 02:02:13,840
definitely room for improvement in in

2937
02:02:13,840 --> 02:02:15,679
the allocation

2938
02:02:15,679 --> 02:02:18,880
um you know we um went through a really

2939
02:02:18,880 --> 02:02:23,119
long process um around outdoor dining.

2940
02:02:23,119 --> 02:02:25,360
You know I was very supportive of

2941
02:02:25,360 --> 02:02:26,719
outdoor dining. The town certainly

2942
02:02:26,719 --> 02:02:28,719
didn't eliminate outdoor dining. We were

2943
02:02:28,719 --> 02:02:30,960
trying to support outdoor dining that's

2944
02:02:30,960 --> 02:02:34,400
been now caught up in a litigation. Um

2945
02:02:34,400 --> 02:02:37,280
and you know I think one thing that we

2946
02:02:37,280 --> 02:02:40,320
can do is um is look at our parking

2947
02:02:40,320 --> 02:02:45,040
requirements. Um with the with the um

2948
02:02:45,040 --> 02:02:47,440
the notion that you know parking

2949
02:02:47,440 --> 02:02:49,440
expansion is critical but balanced

2950
02:02:49,440 --> 02:02:52,960
against the the need for um the

2951
02:02:52,960 --> 02:02:56,560
commercial um uses that we are hearing

2952
02:02:56,560 --> 02:02:58,960
are are critical. Um so yeah very much

2953
02:02:58,960 --> 02:03:00,400
in support of like looking at our

2954
02:03:00,400 --> 02:03:02,639
parking requirements. Oh, and then just,

2955
02:03:02,639 --> 02:03:04,480
you know, yeah, really like liked the

2956
02:03:04,480 --> 02:03:07,119
idea of a of a lot for bikers. It's hard

2957
02:03:07,119 --> 02:03:10,560
to think like we it's we, you know, land

2958
02:03:10,560 --> 02:03:12,159
is so constrained. I I don't know where

2959
02:03:12,159 --> 02:03:13,360
that would occur, but it's worth looking

2960
02:03:13,360 --> 02:03:16,239
at. Um, and agree with U. Mayor

2961
02:03:16,239 --> 02:03:18,400
Donkowsky. I think um I would not

2962
02:03:18,400 --> 02:03:21,440
support um an off-site lot for

2963
02:03:21,440 --> 02:03:23,920
employees. I think for the for the same

2964
02:03:23,920 --> 02:03:25,599
reasons. I mean, that, you know, I just

2965
02:03:25,599 --> 02:03:26,800
don't think that would be fair to that

2966
02:03:26,800 --> 02:03:29,040
population.

2967
02:03:29,040 --> 02:03:30,880
>> Can I have a second bite of the apple?

2968
02:03:30,880 --> 02:03:31,040
Of

2969
02:03:31,040 --> 02:03:32,719
>> course. second bite.

2970
02:03:32,719 --> 02:03:34,239
>> I want to follow up on the idea.

2971
02:03:34,239 --> 02:03:35,599
>> You have as many bites as you want.

2972
02:03:35,599 --> 02:03:38,320
>> The idea of trying to organize the

2973
02:03:38,320 --> 02:03:41,199
employees for commute. I spoke with

2974
02:03:41,199 --> 02:03:44,400
commute.org several years ago about the

2975
02:03:44,400 --> 02:03:46,400
idea of having a shuttle running up and

2976
02:03:46,400 --> 02:03:49,280
down Woodside Road from Redwood City and

2977
02:03:49,280 --> 02:03:51,119
I got a lot of interest from a couple of

2978
02:03:51,119 --> 02:03:53,520
key employers, but I wasn't able to

2979
02:03:53,520 --> 02:03:56,400
reach everybody. And I think that's a

2980
02:03:56,400 --> 02:03:58,080
group. He says he needs a 100 people a

2981
02:03:58,080 --> 02:04:00,560
day to be able to justify running the

2982
02:04:00,560 --> 02:04:03,760
shuttle up and down. And I think that we

2983
02:04:03,760 --> 02:04:06,639
it's worth exploring it further with um

2984
02:04:06,639 --> 02:04:09,199
the employee the employers in the area

2985
02:04:09,199 --> 02:04:13,280
to see if there is enough uh volume that

2986
02:04:13,280 --> 02:04:14,960
can be generated to make it worthwhile

2987
02:04:14,960 --> 02:04:19,679
to have it takes a 100 parking spaces

2988
02:04:19,679 --> 02:04:21,520
if we can pick it if they can be done

2989
02:04:21,520 --> 02:04:24,080
that way. So somebody work something to

2990
02:04:24,080 --> 02:04:25,599
think about.

2991
02:04:25,599 --> 02:04:27,360
>> Okay. Can I say one more thing?

2992
02:04:27,360 --> 02:04:29,920
>> Uh,

2993
02:04:29,920 --> 02:04:33,119
>> I mean, you're as a major. Yes. Yeah. Do

2994
02:04:33,119 --> 02:04:36,239
you guys mind if uh

2995
02:04:36,239 --> 02:04:38,080
>> we're not supposed to do this, Lead?

2996
02:04:38,080 --> 02:04:41,040
We're not supposed to do this. So, we're

2997
02:04:41,040 --> 02:04:44,400
not public comments closed. So, um,

2998
02:04:44,400 --> 02:04:47,920
sorry about that. Um, yeah, I know. I

2999
02:04:47,920 --> 02:04:49,520
know. We can meet separately if you

3000
02:04:49,520 --> 02:04:51,360
want. Um,

3001
02:04:51,360 --> 02:04:53,840
you know, I was just going to mention

3002
02:04:53,840 --> 02:04:55,440
I'm glad Council Member Wall brought

3003
02:04:55,440 --> 02:04:58,320
this up about changing the uh

3004
02:04:58,320 --> 02:05:00,639
requirements. Uh, and I was hopeful that

3005
02:05:00,639 --> 02:05:02,159
we would have outdoor dining and we'd be

3006
02:05:02,159 --> 02:05:03,599
able to bring that next, you know, to

3007
02:05:03,599 --> 02:05:05,440
change how we the calculations behind

3008
02:05:05,440 --> 02:05:10,800
that. I've since learned that um

3009
02:05:10,800 --> 02:05:12,239
you know the the hardware store gets

3010
02:05:12,239 --> 02:05:14,800
like 24 27 spots because of its square

3011
02:05:14,800 --> 02:05:16,880
footage and obviously there aren't that

3012
02:05:16,880 --> 02:05:19,119
many people in there but

3013
02:05:19,119 --> 02:05:20,639
that's what Roberts uses for their

3014
02:05:20,639 --> 02:05:22,400
employee parking right now. So, if we do

3015
02:05:22,400 --> 02:05:24,800
any twists right now without expanded

3016
02:05:24,800 --> 02:05:28,239
parking, you are you're just twisting uh

3017
02:05:28,239 --> 02:05:31,040
and basically eliminating employee spots

3018
02:05:31,040 --> 02:05:34,159
and but it's it's I think we need to see

3019
02:05:34,159 --> 02:05:38,320
where things land. But yeah, that's an obvious one uh in support of

3020
02:05:38,320 --> 02:05:40,080
uh outdoor dining if we can get there

3021
02:05:40,080 --> 02:05:43,119
again in some level.

3022
02:05:43,119 --> 02:05:48,470
Any other comments on parking?

3023
02:05:48,480 --> 02:05:50,880
Okay. Do you have enough from us? I

3024
02:05:50,880 --> 02:05:52,080
mean, it's a little bit across the

3025
02:05:52,080 --> 02:05:53,920
board, obviously, as always, but

3026
02:05:53,920 --> 02:05:55,840
>> No, that's good. I think um I I

3027
02:05:55,840 --> 02:05:59,040
basically heard no real options off the

3028
02:05:59,040 --> 02:06:01,599
table. I might suggest that we specify

3029
02:06:01,599 --> 02:06:04,480
remote lot for bikers so that we're

3030
02:06:04,480 --> 02:06:06,480
clear on what we're saying there. And

3031
02:06:06,480 --> 02:06:09,119
maybe we say um commute.org, you know,

3032
02:06:09,119 --> 02:06:11,119
shuttle to build off what Dick said. But

3033
02:06:11,119 --> 02:06:12,320
I think otherwise we keep all these

3034
02:06:12,320 --> 02:06:14,239
ideas. We keep the conversation going

3035
02:06:14,239 --> 02:06:17,119
and move this forward. But um a lot of

3036
02:06:17,119 --> 02:06:21,040
good a lot of good thoughts.

3037
02:06:21,040 --> 02:06:21,599
Okay.

3038
02:06:21,599 --> 02:06:23,440
>> And Troy, if I could add one thing too,

3039
02:06:23,440 --> 02:06:25,760
hello everyone. Eric, a good city

3040
02:06:25,760 --> 02:06:28,239
company. I think one theme that we hear

3041
02:06:28,239 --> 02:06:30,400
throughout areas that are popular

3042
02:06:30,400 --> 02:06:31,840
especially and it's a combination of

3043
02:06:31,840 --> 02:06:34,159
what everyone said tonight is using time

3044
02:06:34,159 --> 02:06:36,960
limits to take one way that without

3045
02:06:36,960 --> 02:06:38,639
being able to increase parking, which

3046
02:06:38,639 --> 02:06:40,800
obviously is a goal, is increasing

3047
02:06:40,800 --> 02:06:42,800
turnover. And the way that you do that

3048
02:06:42,800 --> 02:06:45,040
is with time limits and then focused

3049
02:06:45,040 --> 02:06:47,360
enforcement on the most popular spaces

3050
02:06:47,360 --> 02:06:49,599
because ultimately you want turnover in

3051
02:06:49,599 --> 02:06:51,679
spaces where customers are and you want

3052
02:06:51,679 --> 02:06:53,440
less turnover in places where there's

3053
02:06:53,440 --> 02:06:55,760
longer term bargaining. So I think that

3054
02:06:55,760 --> 02:06:57,280
could be kind of the backdrop for any

3055
02:06:57,280 --> 02:06:59,199
strategy that you have is really being

3056
02:06:59,199 --> 02:07:01,280
focused about because enforcement can be

3057
02:07:01,280 --> 02:07:03,119
expensive in itself. So you want to also

3058
02:07:03,119 --> 02:07:05,199
use that resource wisely to make sure

3059
02:07:05,199 --> 02:07:07,040
those spaces are open for customers.

3060
02:07:07,040 --> 02:07:08,560
>> Yeah, good point. And it deals with the

3061
02:07:08,560 --> 02:07:09,440
biking problem.

3062
02:07:09,440 --> 02:07:12,159
>> That's right. Good.

3063
02:07:12,159 --> 02:07:14,000
>> Excellent point. Thank you.

3064
02:07:14,000 --> 02:07:16,320
>> Great. All right. I'll move us along to

3065
02:07:16,320 --> 02:07:22,709
our next topic, the land use topic.

3066
02:07:22,719 --> 02:07:31,430
So, here are their ideas.

3067
02:07:31,440 --> 02:07:33,520
Anyone want to

3068
02:07:33,520 --> 02:07:38,550
touch this hot stove?

3069
02:07:38,560 --> 02:07:40,800
Maybe. Maybe I'll oh I'll I'll happily

3070
02:07:40,800 --> 02:07:43,520
lead for a change. Um

3071
02:07:43,520 --> 02:07:45,599
I loved the open your opening statement.

3072
02:07:45,599 --> 02:07:46,719
We're here because of the housing

3073
02:07:46,719 --> 02:07:48,560
element because I think that's a first

3074
02:07:48,560 --> 02:07:50,719
principle that

3075
02:07:50,719 --> 02:07:53,520
sometimes feels a little bit lost in the

3076
02:07:53,520 --> 02:07:55,440
discussion like housing is just one of

3077
02:07:55,440 --> 02:07:57,679
eight different topics.

3078
02:07:57,679 --> 02:07:59,040
We're here because of the housing

3079
02:07:59,040 --> 02:08:01,440
element. It's due in six months. This is

3080
02:08:01,440 --> 02:08:03,840
about figuring out it should which we

3081
02:08:03,840 --> 02:08:05,679
heard in cycle six. Towns should grow

3082
02:08:05,679 --> 02:08:07,199
from the center out. They shouldn't be

3083
02:08:07,199 --> 02:08:09,280
targeted density. And I think we're

3084
02:08:09,280 --> 02:08:10,880
trying to pay this forward into cycle

3085
02:08:10,880 --> 02:08:12,320
seven for whatever council is going to

3086
02:08:12,320 --> 02:08:14,960
be here that there's direction that they

3087
02:08:14,960 --> 02:08:20,000
want housing to be center out or again

3088
02:08:20,000 --> 02:08:21,440
we're going to do targeted density. It's

3089
02:08:21,440 --> 02:08:22,880
going to be in a small place in town

3090
02:08:22,880 --> 02:08:24,800
because that's where the services are

3091
02:08:24,800 --> 02:08:27,440
like sewer and whatnot. So I don't know

3092
02:08:27,440 --> 02:08:30,320
if it's too much to ask from a advisory

3093
02:08:30,320 --> 02:08:33,199
committee or not. But

3094
02:08:33,199 --> 02:08:36,239
um in a big picture sense

3095
02:08:36,239 --> 02:08:39,599
what I would love is not just a survey

3096
02:08:39,599 --> 02:08:42,079
but a recommendation. I don't know if I

3097
02:08:42,079 --> 02:08:43,360
can ask for that from an advisory

3098
02:08:43,360 --> 02:08:45,199
committee but a recommendation that we

3099
02:08:45,199 --> 02:08:47,760
believe housing should come from center

3100
02:08:47,760 --> 02:08:50,880
out and therefore we believe the only

3101
02:08:50,880 --> 02:08:51,840
way you're going to be able to do

3102
02:08:51,840 --> 02:08:53,360
density is lifting the height limit.

3103
02:08:53,360 --> 02:08:55,199
Right? So we're advocating for a ballot

3104
02:08:55,199 --> 02:08:56,960
measure or something to that effect. Now

3105
02:08:56,960 --> 02:08:58,400
maybe that's stuff that has to only

3106
02:08:58,400 --> 02:09:00,000
happen at council level. I'm not a

3107
02:09:00,000 --> 02:09:02,239
lawyer. proved that a thousand times in

3108
02:09:02,239 --> 02:09:06,079
the last last eight years. Uh but if we

3109
02:09:06,079 --> 02:09:08,159
can get that I just I think we should be

3110
02:09:08,159 --> 02:09:10,159
emphasizing that this is really first

3111
02:09:10,159 --> 02:09:11,679
and foremost about housing and then

3112
02:09:11,679 --> 02:09:13,440
everything that there's all these

3113
02:09:13,440 --> 02:09:14,560
interesting discussions. Should we

3114
02:09:14,560 --> 02:09:16,239
eliminate a parking space so we can put

3115
02:09:16,239 --> 02:09:17,840
a crosswalk? So now that's a very

3116
02:09:17,840 --> 02:09:19,440
interesting micro discussion. But how do

3117
02:09:19,440 --> 02:09:20,800
you have that discussion if you don't

3118
02:09:20,800 --> 02:09:21,840
know there's density going to be

3119
02:09:21,840 --> 02:09:23,199
downtown or not? What are you going to

3120
02:09:23,199 --> 02:09:25,599
do with circulation, parking, access,

3121
02:09:25,599 --> 02:09:27,760
gathering spaces? All that is tied to

3122
02:09:27,760 --> 02:09:29,840
the central issue of housing. So, I just

3123
02:09:29,840 --> 02:09:32,480
want to emphasize that for me, I don't

3124
02:09:32,480 --> 02:09:34,000
know if it's possible to do an entire

3125
02:09:34,000 --> 02:09:36,320
session on housing. Uh, but to just

3126
02:09:36,320 --> 02:09:41,280
drive home the point that this is why we're here. Uh, to Miss

3127
02:09:41,280 --> 02:09:43,599
Gilbert's question earlier and in order

3128
02:09:43,599 --> 02:09:45,440
to do it, I mean, I know we're not maybe

3129
02:09:45,440 --> 02:09:46,480
we're not at a place where we're

3130
02:09:46,480 --> 02:09:47,840
supposed to be advocating two versus

3131
02:09:47,840 --> 02:09:50,320
three stories, but

3132
02:09:50,320 --> 02:09:51,840
I'm thinking three stories. If you're

3133
02:09:51,840 --> 02:09:52,800
going to if you're going to lift it,

3134
02:09:52,800 --> 02:09:54,000
you're going to need to lift it in order

3135
02:09:54,000 --> 02:09:55,280
to get the density that's going to be

3136
02:09:55,280 --> 02:09:58,960
required in cycle 7. And so um uh so

3137
02:09:58,960 --> 02:10:00,960
that's basically just a big sort of

3138
02:10:00,960 --> 02:10:02,719
first principles comment I wanted to

3139
02:10:02,719 --> 02:10:04,639
throw out that the housing thing is much

3140
02:10:04,639 --> 02:10:06,400
bigger than an afterthought. It's like

3141
02:10:06,400 --> 02:10:08,480
the primary reason this is happening uh

3142
02:10:08,480 --> 02:10:11,920
in my opinion at least at this time. Um

3143
02:10:11,920 --> 02:10:13,679
and I don't have much else to say I

3144
02:10:13,679 --> 02:10:17,920
don't think on any of these. Um

3145
02:10:17,920 --> 02:10:19,599
but with the exception of just asking

3146
02:10:19,599 --> 02:10:21,520
that I'm just reemphasizing the first

3147
02:10:21,520 --> 02:10:25,199
principle why we're here.

3148
02:10:25,199 --> 02:10:26,800
Uh, Council Member Wall.

3149
02:10:26,800 --> 02:10:30,079
>> All right. Um, so I'll start with by

3150
02:10:30,079 --> 02:10:31,840
saying what do I what I agree with what

3151
02:10:31,840 --> 02:10:34,159
you just said is I think um a a session

3152
02:10:34,159 --> 02:10:36,800
focused on housing is a great idea. Um,

3153
02:10:36,800 --> 02:10:39,520
I think um a recommendation on whether

3154
02:10:39,520 --> 02:10:41,520
we should pursue a ballot measure to

3155
02:10:41,520 --> 02:10:43,040
eliminate higher restrictions is a great

3156
02:10:43,040 --> 02:10:45,040
idea.

3157
02:10:45,040 --> 02:10:47,119
I see why we are here a little bit

3158
02:10:47,119 --> 02:10:48,639
differently. We are definitely here

3159
02:10:48,639 --> 02:10:51,520
because of housing, right? like um that

3160
02:10:51,520 --> 02:10:53,840
is one part of why we are here and we

3161
02:10:53,840 --> 02:10:55,920
have a commitment in our housing element

3162
02:10:55,920 --> 02:10:59,760
to um pursue density in the in the

3163
02:10:59,760 --> 02:11:04,400
commercial zone but you know we are also

3164
02:11:04,400 --> 02:11:06,880
here to have a town center area plan. Um

3165
02:11:06,880 --> 02:11:08,560
there was a huge effort that you know

3166
02:11:08,560 --> 02:11:11,599
members of the audience were involved in

3167
02:11:11,599 --> 02:11:14,560
years ago around um coming up with a

3168
02:11:14,560 --> 02:11:17,040
strategic plan for our town center for

3169
02:11:17,040 --> 02:11:18,719
many reasons. I don't know that I'm even

3170
02:11:18,719 --> 02:11:22,320
fully, you know, in the weeds on um that

3171
02:11:22,320 --> 02:11:24,880
effort um stalled and and never

3172
02:11:24,880 --> 02:11:28,639
materialized. And I think it's really

3173
02:11:28,639 --> 02:11:31,040
important that we have a plan for our

3174
02:11:31,040 --> 02:11:33,199
town center. Uh and that plan involves

3175
02:11:33,199 --> 02:11:34,480
all the things that we're talking about

3176
02:11:34,480 --> 02:11:37,599
tonight, parking, land use, public

3177
02:11:37,599 --> 02:11:40,079
gathering spaces. So, you know, yes,

3178
02:11:40,079 --> 02:11:41,840
we're here, housing's a part of it, but

3179
02:11:41,840 --> 02:11:44,239
I I just think it's so much broader than

3180
02:11:44,239 --> 02:11:46,320
that. Um because we all care so much

3181
02:11:46,320 --> 02:11:47,920
about this town. Leanne really agreed

3182
02:11:47,920 --> 02:11:50,000
with what you said around like this is a

3183
02:11:50,000 --> 02:11:53,440
special wacky bucolic beautiful place

3184
02:11:53,440 --> 02:11:55,199
with families that want to have

3185
02:11:55,199 --> 02:11:58,239
gathering places um with you know people

3186
02:11:58,239 --> 02:12:00,800
that want um you know to be able to go

3187
02:12:00,800 --> 02:12:02,880
to yoga and go to a fast casual

3188
02:12:02,880 --> 02:12:04,639
restaurant and bike and there's all

3189
02:12:04,639 --> 02:12:06,639
sorts of different interests and I think

3190
02:12:06,639 --> 02:12:09,360
um it's essential what we're doing is

3191
02:12:09,360 --> 02:12:11,679
essential um it's gathering community

3192
02:12:11,679 --> 02:12:13,760
input and figuring out what is the

3193
02:12:13,760 --> 02:12:17,040
strategic long-term plan for our town.

3194
02:12:17,040 --> 02:12:19,440
How do we keep it special but you know

3195
02:12:19,440 --> 02:12:22,719
potentially involve it evolve it in key

3196
02:12:22,719 --> 02:12:26,159
ways so that it remains functional, it

3197
02:12:26,159 --> 02:12:28,320
remains special, it remains attractive

3198
02:12:28,320 --> 02:12:31,520
to the different constituents. So, um, I

3199
02:12:31,520 --> 02:12:34,079
have been so interested and excited

3200
02:12:34,079 --> 02:12:38,079
about this effort for a long time and in my memory, and I may be wrong, the

3201
02:12:38,079 --> 02:12:40,079
notion of revisiting the town center

3202
02:12:40,079 --> 02:12:42,880
area plan was being discussed separately

3203
02:12:42,880 --> 02:12:45,760
from the housing element and then um,

3204
02:12:45,760 --> 02:12:48,000
you know, housing, you know, landed on

3205
02:12:48,000 --> 02:12:49,840
the scene and and and you know, what to

3206
02:12:49,840 --> 02:12:51,440
do about housing in the center became

3207
02:12:51,440 --> 02:12:53,040
part of the town center area plan. But

3208
02:12:53,040 --> 02:12:54,639
in my mind, it's it's a it's a very

3209
02:12:54,639 --> 02:12:58,079
important broader effort. Um, and then,

3210
02:12:58,079 --> 02:12:59,840
you know, focusing in on the topic at

3211
02:12:59,840 --> 02:13:04,560
hand, land land use. Um, I very much

3212
02:13:04,560 --> 02:13:10,560
support the correcting or augmenting the commercial uses in town and, um,

3213
02:13:10,560 --> 02:13:13,679
making it easier. Um, so this came up

3214
02:13:13,679 --> 02:13:15,840
recently, um, where I, you know, I'm

3215
02:13:15,840 --> 02:13:17,760
aware of somebody wanting to open up a

3216
02:13:17,760 --> 02:13:20,880
Pilates studio, um, in our commercial

3217
02:13:20,880 --> 02:13:24,000
district. something that I I would love

3218
02:13:24,000 --> 02:13:26,719
um you know being a big big fan of

3219
02:13:26,719 --> 02:13:31,520
Pilates um and the reason that it needed

3220
02:13:31,520 --> 02:13:36,000
to go through an extra layer of um

3221
02:13:36,000 --> 02:13:38,239
review was that that wasn't a use that

3222
02:13:38,239 --> 02:13:41,119
was listed um in our municipal code. So,

3223
02:13:41,119 --> 02:13:44,639
I think, you know, just like uh common

3224
02:13:44,639 --> 02:13:47,360
sense updates to our municipal code um

3225
02:13:47,360 --> 02:13:49,199
to make different commercial uses

3226
02:13:49,199 --> 02:13:51,599
possible, I think is a a really positive

3227
02:13:51,599 --> 02:13:54,800
step forward. Um like I said, figuring

3228
02:13:54,800 --> 02:13:57,360
out what to do about the big elephant in

3229
02:13:57,360 --> 02:13:59,040
the room, which is the constraints on

3230
02:13:59,040 --> 02:14:01,280
building heights and town center. Um I

3231
02:14:01,280 --> 02:14:02,800
think, you know, a recommendation and

3232
02:14:02,800 --> 02:14:05,119
like a plan. Um assuming there is

3233
02:14:05,119 --> 02:14:07,760
support for that like you know I think

3234
02:14:07,760 --> 02:14:10,480
um like yeah a recommendation and a plan

3235
02:14:10,480 --> 02:14:12,079
on how to approach that would be really

3236
02:14:12,079 --> 02:14:13,760
valuable.

3237
02:14:13,760 --> 02:14:16,560
Um let's see

3238
02:14:16,560 --> 02:14:18,880
yeah very supportive of what um you

3239
02:14:18,880 --> 02:14:20,239
presented around like you know new

3240
02:14:20,239 --> 02:14:23,040
businesses. I think that the advisor

3241
02:14:23,040 --> 02:14:24,719
committee's um recommendation that we

3242
02:14:24,719 --> 02:14:27,280
make it easier for fast casual fitness

3243
02:14:27,280 --> 02:14:29,440
those types of uses um I think is really

3244
02:14:29,440 --> 02:14:31,280
smart.

3245
02:14:31,280 --> 02:14:34,800
making cups um easier. Um you mentioned

3246
02:14:34,800 --> 02:14:36,239
also reducing parking requirements.

3247
02:14:36,239 --> 02:14:37,040
Again, I don't know. It's I think

3248
02:14:37,040 --> 02:14:38,560
parking is a broader issue, right? Like

3249
02:14:38,560 --> 02:14:41,280
we need more parking, but we also um

3250
02:14:41,280 --> 02:14:43,040
have, you know, lot it's just a it's a

3251
02:14:43,040 --> 02:14:44,560
thorny topic. So I wouldn't just say

3252
02:14:44,560 --> 02:14:46,320
reduce parking requirements, but like

3253
02:14:46,320 --> 02:14:48,079
look at that as a you know a bigger

3254
02:14:48,079 --> 02:14:52,069
issue.

3255
02:14:52,079 --> 02:14:54,320
All right, that's it.

3256
02:14:54,320 --> 02:14:56,960
>> Others others

3257
02:14:56,960 --> 02:14:57,440
go.

3258
02:14:57,440 --> 02:15:00,079
>> Yes, sir. Um, so I did want to address I

3259
02:15:00,079 --> 02:15:02,239
just um sort of pivoting off what

3260
02:15:02,239 --> 02:15:04,880
council member Wall just said that that

3261
02:15:04,880 --> 02:15:07,119
uh to answer Leanne Gilbert's question

3262
02:15:07,119 --> 02:15:10,880
very directly. That's why we're here and

3263
02:15:10,880 --> 02:15:14,159
this is a 10 to 20 year plan.

3264
02:15:14,159 --> 02:15:17,040
I won't be alive when this stuff is is,

3265
02:15:17,040 --> 02:15:19,920
you know, um implemented. But but we do

3266
02:15:19,920 --> 02:15:21,440
have to have a plan here. And if we

3267
02:15:21,440 --> 02:15:23,599
don't have a plan, here's what happens.

3268
02:15:23,599 --> 02:15:26,159
we get a 105 unit builder's remedy

3269
02:15:26,159 --> 02:15:28,639
project on Jefferson

3270
02:15:28,639 --> 02:15:30,800
and you're going to get highrises on

3271
02:15:30,800 --> 02:15:32,800
Woodside Road because we're not going to

3272
02:15:32,800 --> 02:15:34,639
be in compliance. And this is because of

3273
02:15:34,639 --> 02:15:37,280
Sacramento and it's because of, you

3274
02:15:37,280 --> 02:15:39,280
know, Scott Weiner and, you know, they

3275
02:15:39,280 --> 02:15:40,880
have an idea for this. The these are

3276
02:15:40,880 --> 02:15:42,639
folks who are dictating what they've

3277
02:15:42,639 --> 02:15:44,719
never been to Woodside.

3278
02:15:44,719 --> 02:15:46,639
Um, and yet they think they know what's

3279
02:15:46,639 --> 02:15:48,320
best. And you know, this place we're

3280
02:15:48,320 --> 02:15:49,760
trying to prevent it from looking like

3281
02:15:49,760 --> 02:15:52,639
Mountain View or, you know, uh, you

3282
02:15:52,639 --> 02:15:54,320
know, the corridor in Redwood City and

3283
02:15:54,320 --> 02:15:56,079
those sorts of things. We don't I mean,

3284
02:15:56,079 --> 02:15:58,400
I actually think that that what you guys

3285
02:15:58,400 --> 02:16:01,679
showed us tonight, those very tasteful,

3286
02:16:01,679 --> 02:16:04,800
lowcale twostory and threetory, although

3287
02:16:04,800 --> 02:16:08,639
I agree I like the twotory u almost 100%

3288
02:16:08,639 --> 02:16:10,560
better than the threetory, but I but but

3289
02:16:10,560 --> 02:16:12,159
uh, you know, those were sort of the

3290
02:16:12,159 --> 02:16:15,119
things that we have in mind here. And um

3291
02:16:15,119 --> 02:16:17,440
if we don't do it, they're going to do

3292
02:16:17,440 --> 02:16:23,520
it for us. And um that's the threat. And so there I wanted to ask um perhaps

3293
02:16:23,520 --> 02:16:25,280
Troy, could you go back to the slide

3294
02:16:25,280 --> 02:16:28,560
that showed there was a poll on uh

3295
02:16:28,560 --> 02:16:30,480
housing that was on there. I remember it

3296
02:16:30,480 --> 02:16:35,439
was something split at the bottom. Uh

3297
02:16:35,439 --> 02:16:40,160
nope.

3298
02:16:40,160 --> 02:16:42,880
that wasn't it. because it was

3299
02:16:42,880 --> 02:16:45,120
like 38% 38% that

3300
02:16:45,120 --> 02:16:46,319
>> there that's just

3301
02:16:46,319 --> 02:16:47,599
>> there you go right there. So public

3302
02:16:47,599 --> 02:16:49,200
opinion is evenly split. Last bullet

3303
02:16:49,200 --> 02:16:52,960
point there 39% support 38% opposed and

3304
02:16:52,960 --> 02:16:55,679
23% are unsure. Well if you look at

3305
02:16:55,679 --> 02:16:58,000
Raundo and you look at High Road and you

3306
02:16:58,000 --> 02:17:02,800
look at uh 773 Kyatta 100% of the people

3307
02:17:02,800 --> 02:17:06,319
who live there were against it. So here

3308
02:17:06,319 --> 02:17:07,760
they could look at it kind of in the

3309
02:17:07,760 --> 02:17:10,240
abstract and say yeah you know it's like

3310
02:17:10,240 --> 02:17:12,719
uh not in my backyard and this might be

3311
02:17:12,719 --> 02:17:14,800
a nice place to put him on goat hill or

3312
02:17:14,800 --> 02:17:16,960
hosiendas or what I love those I mean

3313
02:17:16,960 --> 02:17:18,960
those are the locations that to their

3314
02:17:18,960 --> 02:17:21,359
credit this town council was exploring

3315
02:17:21,359 --> 02:17:23,200
during the initial stages of the housing

3316
02:17:23,200 --> 02:17:24,559
element. Personally, I think they gave

3317
02:17:24,559 --> 02:17:25,920
up on them a little too soon, but

3318
02:17:25,920 --> 02:17:27,359
whatever. It's, you know, the where it's

3319
02:17:27,359 --> 02:17:29,760
where we are and we ended up with what I

3320
02:17:29,760 --> 02:17:32,160
think are very uh inappropriate

3321
02:17:32,160 --> 02:17:34,240
locations and we'll live with them and

3322
02:17:34,240 --> 02:17:35,840
we'll try to figure out what to do with

3323
02:17:35,840 --> 02:17:38,399
them. Um, if it does get me in trouble

3324
02:17:38,399 --> 02:17:40,479
sometimes, but the I think in this

3325
02:17:40,479 --> 02:17:42,240
particular instance, you know, one of

3326
02:17:42,240 --> 02:17:43,519
the things we have to do, you could go

3327
02:17:43,519 --> 02:17:45,359
back to that other slide that you had

3328
02:17:45,359 --> 02:17:47,280
before there. It'll it'll help me a

3329
02:17:47,280 --> 02:17:50,240
little bit. Um, yeah, that's fine. But

3330
02:17:50,240 --> 02:17:53,040
the the um I think that in this

3331
02:17:53,040 --> 02:17:56,240
particular case for land use um it's

3332
02:17:56,240 --> 02:17:57,840
more than just housing and it's one of

3333
02:17:57,840 --> 02:18:00,080
the reasons respectfully I suggested

3334
02:18:00,080 --> 02:18:02,479
perhaps relocating this because this is

3335
02:18:02,479 --> 02:18:04,719
a pretty buolic nice location where we

3336
02:18:04,719 --> 02:18:06,479
are right now. It's it's a beautiful

3337
02:18:06,479 --> 02:18:08,559
little area and a lot of those

3338
02:18:08,559 --> 02:18:10,000
properties that you showed there might

3339
02:18:10,000 --> 02:18:11,599
look pretty nice here and it would help

3340
02:18:11,599 --> 02:18:14,800
us with the housing element and avoid

3341
02:18:14,800 --> 02:18:16,719
what's going to happen on Jefferson. you

3342
02:18:16,719 --> 02:18:18,479
know, this, you know, a high-rise, a big

3343
02:18:18,479 --> 02:18:21,040
glass and steel thing that has 105 units

3344
02:18:21,040 --> 02:18:23,359
on a, you know, on a 1acre parcel. It's

3345
02:18:23,359 --> 02:18:26,160
just incred. It's it's insane. And so

3346
02:18:26,160 --> 02:18:28,240
having a little village here might be

3347
02:18:28,240 --> 02:18:29,920
preferable. And, you know, government

3348
02:18:29,920 --> 02:18:32,080
buildings, you know, next to the fire

3349
02:18:32,080 --> 02:18:33,359
station might actually be near the

3350
02:18:33,359 --> 02:18:35,519
library, near the school, might be more

3351
02:18:35,519 --> 02:18:37,040
appropriate. And you could have you

3352
02:18:37,040 --> 02:18:39,280
avoid the density issues that we're all

3353
02:18:39,280 --> 02:18:41,679
fearful of. And that, you know, even the

3354
02:18:41,679 --> 02:18:43,120
split that you were just showing on the

3355
02:18:43,120 --> 02:18:45,599
poll isn't so great. Um but but that

3356
02:18:45,599 --> 02:18:46,880
might eliminate it because this is an

3357
02:18:46,880 --> 02:18:49,679
area where you're not bordered by lots

3358
02:18:49,679 --> 02:18:51,359
of communities who ha who have the

3359
02:18:51,359 --> 02:18:54,160
backyard issue. You don't have the not

3360
02:18:54,160 --> 02:18:55,599
in my backyard issues when you're

3361
02:18:55,599 --> 02:18:57,920
talking about Independence Hall and this

3362
02:18:57,920 --> 02:19:00,319
area. And I you know Thalia, I get it. I

3363
02:19:00,319 --> 02:19:02,559
know it's a historic building. Hey,

3364
02:19:02,559 --> 02:19:04,240
welcome to my world. That's kind of you

3365
02:19:04,240 --> 02:19:06,319
know this stuff happens. Things change.

3366
02:19:06,319 --> 02:19:07,679
And I can assure you the people who

3367
02:19:07,679 --> 02:19:09,599
lived here 50 years ago, a couple of

3368
02:19:09,599 --> 02:19:11,280
them are in this room right now, but the

3369
02:19:11,280 --> 02:19:12,399
people who are in here think this place

3370
02:19:12,399 --> 02:19:14,080
has changed. It's crazy. you know what's

3371
02:19:14,080 --> 02:19:15,840
going on here now and and and you know

3372
02:19:15,840 --> 02:19:17,920
parking and that stuff didn't exist back

3373
02:19:17,920 --> 02:19:19,519
then or a hundred years ago when they

3374
02:19:19,519 --> 02:19:21,760
were putting logs down the down the

3375
02:19:21,760 --> 02:19:23,120
street and taking them down to Redwood

3376
02:19:23,120 --> 02:19:24,559
City. I mean it's just you know things

3377
02:19:24,559 --> 02:19:26,559
change and this is going to change too

3378
02:19:26,559 --> 02:19:28,240
but this is a great location where we

3379
02:19:28,240 --> 02:19:29,679
could satisfy some of the things and

3380
02:19:29,679 --> 02:19:32,559
avoid builder remedy projects that are

3381
02:19:32,559 --> 02:19:34,160
completely inappropriate and end up with

3382
02:19:34,160 --> 02:19:36,479
some two-story you know little cluster

3383
02:19:36,479 --> 02:19:38,399
homes in a nice area that's kind of

3384
02:19:38,399 --> 02:19:40,880
reserved and and and nice and close to

3385
02:19:40,880 --> 02:19:43,840
town. Um, I also wanted to mention

3386
02:19:43,840 --> 02:19:45,120
Richard Ursstead, I'm not actually

3387
02:19:45,120 --> 02:19:46,639
returning the favor because he said some

3388
02:19:46,639 --> 02:19:48,800
nice things about me, but but what I did

3389
02:19:48,800 --> 02:19:51,439
want to say is commercial real estate is

3390
02:19:51,439 --> 02:19:54,960
a very specialized area. We don't get to

3391
02:19:54,960 --> 02:19:58,160
pick tenants. We may want Pilates. I get

3392
02:19:58,160 --> 02:20:00,240
it. We may want an ice cream shop, but

3393
02:20:00,240 --> 02:20:02,319
the market's going to dictate what works

3394
02:20:02,319 --> 02:20:03,920
in those locations and who's going to

3395
02:20:03,920 --> 02:20:06,479
pay the rent. And Richard makes a great

3396
02:20:06,479 --> 02:20:08,640
point that that you're not going to have

3397
02:20:08,640 --> 02:20:13,359
a gap next to a u you know an ant Taylor

3398
02:20:13,359 --> 02:20:15,520
along Woodside Road where you know next

3399
02:20:15,520 --> 02:20:17,280
door to the village pub right now.

3400
02:20:17,280 --> 02:20:18,720
That's not I mean you know the some of

3401
02:20:18,720 --> 02:20:20,240
the drawings that we had looked like you

3402
02:20:20,240 --> 02:20:22,880
have these nice boxes in there that look

3403
02:20:22,880 --> 02:20:24,479
a little bit like what you have in the

3404
02:20:24,479 --> 02:20:27,600
village at the Stanford shopping center.

3405
02:20:27,600 --> 02:20:29,840
The the the the I forgot what Richard

3406
02:20:29,840 --> 02:20:31,200
referred to them there. I think he he

3407
02:20:31,200 --> 02:20:33,359
referred to them as the car counts. you

3408
02:20:33,359 --> 02:20:35,120
don't have enough car counts. There's

3409
02:20:35,120 --> 02:20:37,520
not enough people traveling by there in

3410
02:20:37,520 --> 02:20:39,520
the parking that can support those kind

3411
02:20:39,520 --> 02:20:41,600
of commercial enterprises. Even if the

3412
02:20:41,600 --> 02:20:43,200
structure did support it, which it

3413
02:20:43,200 --> 02:20:44,880
doesn't. These are tiny little awkward

3414
02:20:44,880 --> 02:20:46,800
buildings that are good for a doctor's

3415
02:20:46,800 --> 02:20:49,040
office or, you know, those sorts of

3416
02:20:49,040 --> 02:20:50,960
things. Uh maybe a Pilates studio, but

3417
02:20:50,960 --> 02:20:52,399
something uh you know, ice cream, I

3418
02:20:52,399 --> 02:20:54,640
don't know. But but it's we we we're

3419
02:20:54,640 --> 02:20:57,120
sort of trapped by the town, what we

3420
02:20:57,120 --> 02:20:58,560
have here, and it's going to be tough to

3421
02:20:58,560 --> 02:21:02,880
do certain kinds of buildouts. So, um I

3422
02:21:02,880 --> 02:21:05,280
wanted to just address the not only the

3423
02:21:05,280 --> 02:21:09,760
for land use, not only the um using

3424
02:21:09,760 --> 02:21:11,600
commercial buildings but also the

3425
02:21:11,600 --> 02:21:14,000
housing elements that we need to do

3426
02:21:14,000 --> 02:21:21,030
here. And um that's it. Thank you.

3427
02:21:21,040 --> 02:21:24,479
» Sure. Um yeah, uh I I liked a lot of the

3428
02:21:24,479 --> 02:21:27,280
options. Um I agree. I think mixed use

3429
02:21:27,280 --> 02:21:29,040
uh

3430
02:21:29,040 --> 02:21:32,479
seems like the the best option if we can

3431
02:21:32,479 --> 02:21:34,319
I just don't know what I'm wondering is

3432
02:21:34,319 --> 02:21:36,399
if we have property owners that are open

3433
02:21:36,399 --> 02:21:37,760
to it because it seems like that's one

3434
02:21:37,760 --> 02:21:39,520
that you know there's a lot of things we

3435
02:21:39,520 --> 02:21:42,560
can do where it's just up to the town.

3436
02:21:42,560 --> 02:21:45,120
Um but those there there's zero chance

3437
02:21:45,120 --> 02:21:47,280
of us doing them unless we have buy in.

3438
02:21:47,280 --> 02:21:50,800
Um and so I'm wondering do we know where

3439
02:21:50,800 --> 02:21:52,800
we stand on those? like if if property

3440
02:21:52,800 --> 02:21:54,880
owners are open to it, what does that

3441
02:21:54,880 --> 02:21:58,240
look like? Um is there like a process to

3442
02:21:58,240 --> 02:22:00,479
work with them? Uh or is it just kind of

3443
02:22:00,479 --> 02:22:02,240
a recommendation and we just hope that

3444
02:22:02,240 --> 02:22:05,840
they buy into it?

3445
02:22:05,840 --> 02:22:07,840
>> It's a good question. Um I don't want to

3446
02:22:07,840 --> 02:22:09,840
speak for property owners in the room

3447
02:22:09,840 --> 02:22:15,520
but through the CAC discussions there was and through our stakeholder

3448
02:22:15,520 --> 02:22:17,760
discussions various property owners have

3449
02:22:17,760 --> 02:22:20,319
said yeah I might be able to foresee you

3450
02:22:20,319 --> 02:22:22,000
know some town houses or some duplexes

3451
02:22:22,000 --> 02:22:23,760
on my property. I think it really

3452
02:22:23,760 --> 02:22:26,319
depends on each individual land owner

3453
02:22:26,319 --> 02:22:28,399
kind of where they're at with property

3454
02:22:28,399 --> 02:22:30,319
and their life cycle. And I think we

3455
02:22:30,319 --> 02:22:33,920
should always keep our minds open that might be this plan is for the next

3456
02:22:33,920 --> 02:22:36,479
land owner who buys the property and has

3457
02:22:36,479 --> 02:22:43,120
a different vision. Um but I think the short answer is we would probably

3458
02:22:43,120 --> 02:22:45,439
see a couple of interested current land

3459
02:22:45,439 --> 02:22:48,960
owners um explore these opportunities if

3460
02:22:48,960 --> 02:22:51,040
we gave them. I don't think we'd see

3461
02:22:51,040 --> 02:22:52,560
wholesale change and I think there'd be

3462
02:22:52,560 --> 02:22:54,960
some properties that would never be

3463
02:22:54,960 --> 02:22:57,280
likely to change. Um, but we heard we

3464
02:22:57,280 --> 02:22:59,600
did hear some preliminary interest. Um,

3465
02:22:59,600 --> 02:23:02,640
nothing solid, but I think we shouldn't

3466
02:23:02,640 --> 02:23:04,560
necessarily just calibrate this for the

3467
02:23:04,560 --> 02:23:06,880
present. We should keep it open for, you

3468
02:23:06,880 --> 02:23:08,880
know, trying to I think part of our goal

3469
02:23:08,880 --> 02:23:10,640
here is trying to set ourselves up for

3470
02:23:10,640 --> 02:23:12,080
success for the next housing element

3471
02:23:12,080 --> 02:23:14,240
cycle in a way that takes a little bit

3472
02:23:14,240 --> 02:23:15,920
of the pain and the anxiety out of it

3473
02:23:15,920 --> 02:23:17,439
next time around.

3474
02:23:17,439 --> 02:23:19,840
>> That makes sense. Thank you. Yeah, I I

3475
02:23:19,840 --> 02:23:23,200
um with that, yeah, I don't exactly like

3476
02:23:23,200 --> 02:23:25,760
the idea of converting the commercial

3477
02:23:25,760 --> 02:23:27,280
property, like any commercial properties

3478
02:23:27,280 --> 02:23:30,000
to housing only. I feel like that I

3479
02:23:30,000 --> 02:23:31,359
think it's important to keep our

3480
02:23:31,359 --> 02:23:33,200
commercial properties and I think

3481
02:23:33,200 --> 02:23:35,200
converting them to, you know, mixed use,

3482
02:23:35,200 --> 02:23:39,280
twotory, threetory, um I would support.

3483
02:23:39,280 --> 02:23:43,520
Um but yeah, but I I think uh I

3484
02:23:43,520 --> 02:23:45,120
appreciate all of your work on this. I

3485
02:23:45,120 --> 02:23:46,720
feel like the ideas are really good and

3486
02:23:46,720 --> 02:23:49,520
I I would say keep keep working on

3487
02:23:49,520 --> 02:23:51,840
developing them and options open

3488
02:23:51,840 --> 02:23:54,640
including um you know being creative

3489
02:23:54,640 --> 02:23:59,920
potentially moving town uh town hall or

3490
02:23:59,920 --> 02:24:02,960
other things around. I I'd be you know I

3491
02:24:02,960 --> 02:24:04,160
think it's important to keep all those

3492
02:24:04,160 --> 02:24:08,389
options open.

3493
02:24:08,399 --> 02:24:10,720
» End of day we zone and market is the

3494
02:24:10,720 --> 02:24:12,960
market. Sounds like all the options

3495
02:24:12,960 --> 02:24:14,319
we'll kind of take them out to the

3496
02:24:14,319 --> 02:24:17,200
community, have further discussions. Um,

3497
02:24:17,200 --> 02:24:20,000
the only adjustment

3498
02:24:20,000 --> 02:24:22,240
I might make

3499
02:24:22,240 --> 02:24:24,000
>> before you could I just add one more

3500
02:24:24,000 --> 02:24:26,960
thought pick up on the this uh move town

3501
02:24:26,960 --> 02:24:30,880
hall which I think I mean I maybe I'd

3502
02:24:30,880 --> 02:24:32,160
like to reframe it a little bit how I'm

3503
02:24:32,160 --> 02:24:34,399
thinking about it. So, this area out

3504
02:24:34,399 --> 02:24:38,560
here between Town Hall and the the other

3505
02:24:38,560 --> 02:24:41,520
commercial spaces out there, like this

3506
02:24:41,520 --> 02:24:45,920
is a beautiful parcel and would make a

3507
02:24:45,920 --> 02:24:48,800
lovely uh augmented town center. I think

3508
02:24:48,800 --> 02:24:51,920
we heard ideas um the last time we met

3509
02:24:51,920 --> 02:24:54,319
around um I can't remember the term you

3510
02:24:54,319 --> 02:24:57,520
used, but kind of creating a a a walkway

3511
02:24:57,520 --> 02:24:59,680
with cobblestones.

3512
02:24:59,680 --> 02:25:02,080
Um, and it got me thinking like, wow,

3513
02:25:02,080 --> 02:25:04,319
like that that's a great starting point.

3514
02:25:04,319 --> 02:25:06,720
Like, I wonder how that could evolve.

3515
02:25:06,720 --> 02:25:10,560
Um, also love this building. Um, think

3516
02:25:10,560 --> 02:25:14,399
it's beautiful and historic. Um, but I

3517
02:25:14,399 --> 02:25:16,560
think we are in kind of the ideation

3518
02:25:16,560 --> 02:25:18,000
phase. And so I think thinking about

3519
02:25:18,000 --> 02:25:21,680
like what could this be out here, right?

3520
02:25:21,680 --> 02:25:23,200
Um, and I think it connects into

3521
02:25:23,200 --> 02:25:25,040
something that was brought up earlier

3522
02:25:25,040 --> 02:25:28,399
around um, the parcel adjacent to the

3523
02:25:28,399 --> 02:25:30,640
fire station. And I know that they're uh

3524
02:25:30,640 --> 02:25:32,880
contemplating um that as a training

3525
02:25:32,880 --> 02:25:36,160
facility. Um it really makes me wonder

3526
02:25:36,160 --> 02:25:38,720
like is that really the best use of that

3527
02:25:38,720 --> 02:25:42,880
parcel? Um you know could we combine

3528
02:25:42,880 --> 02:25:46,960
training facility and town um and and

3529
02:25:46,960 --> 02:25:50,880
town offices? Um maybe there's a better

3530
02:25:50,880 --> 02:25:52,560
place for training facilities. They have

3531
02:25:52,560 --> 02:25:54,080
no idea their openness to that

3532
02:25:54,080 --> 02:25:55,840
conversation. But you can imagine,

3533
02:25:55,840 --> 02:25:59,040
right, like if we were to put that

3534
02:25:59,040 --> 02:26:03,600
parcel to a town center use. Um what

3535
02:26:03,600 --> 02:26:06,080
might that open up around here? Um how

3536
02:26:06,080 --> 02:26:08,160
could we expand on the idea of the

3537
02:26:08,160 --> 02:26:10,800
cobblestone walking path? So I think um

3538
02:26:10,800 --> 02:26:13,760
I would really love for some work to be

3539
02:26:13,760 --> 02:26:16,640
done to kind of explore those options um

3540
02:26:16,640 --> 02:26:21,590
from a land use standpoint.

3541
02:26:21,600 --> 02:26:23,680
Thank you. I just wanted to kind of

3542
02:26:23,680 --> 02:26:25,439
reiterate uh two different points that

3543
02:26:25,439 --> 02:26:27,439
were made that I think were important.

3544
02:26:27,439 --> 02:26:29,200
First to what Troy said and to what the

3545
02:26:29,200 --> 02:26:31,439
council members were saying. You there's

3546
02:26:31,439 --> 02:26:33,120
two real reasons why we have to think

3547
02:26:33,120 --> 02:26:35,439
long term on this and why most planning

3548
02:26:35,439 --> 02:26:37,840
documents are 10 or 20 year plans. It's

3549
02:26:37,840 --> 02:26:40,960
a toy point is turnover in property.

3550
02:26:40,960 --> 02:26:42,479
Different property owners have different

3551
02:26:42,479 --> 02:26:44,000
interests. And the second important and

3552
02:26:44,000 --> 02:26:46,000
maybe even more important is just market

3553
02:26:46,000 --> 02:26:47,760
cycles. You know, in a 20 year, you're

3554
02:26:47,760 --> 02:26:49,040
going to have two or three different

3555
02:26:49,040 --> 02:26:50,720
real estate market cycles where there's

3556
02:26:50,720 --> 02:26:52,240
different incentives to build things.

3557
02:26:52,240 --> 02:26:54,319
So, what you want to do is line your

3558
02:26:54,319 --> 02:26:56,640
long-term vision up so that door is open

3559
02:26:56,640 --> 02:26:58,319
to what you want to see happen in your

3560
02:26:58,319 --> 02:27:00,319
area and then the market opens and then

3561
02:27:00,319 --> 02:27:02,560
they're able to come in. Closely related

3562
02:27:02,560 --> 02:27:04,160
to that is when you're looking at

3563
02:27:04,160 --> 02:27:06,399
different land uses that you want.

3564
02:27:06,399 --> 02:27:08,240
Typically what we tell folks from an

3565
02:27:08,240 --> 02:27:11,120
economic development standpoint is you

3566
02:27:11,120 --> 02:27:13,200
know first any zoning law that's out

3567
02:27:13,200 --> 02:27:15,120
there was usually adopted at a

3568
02:27:15,120 --> 02:27:16,880
particular point in time to solve a

3569
02:27:16,880 --> 02:27:18,960
problem. So it is good to look at those

3570
02:27:18,960 --> 02:27:21,439
problems every 101 15 years because a

3571
02:27:21,439 --> 02:27:23,760
those problems may not exist anymore and

3572
02:27:23,760 --> 02:27:25,520
b market conditions have changed to

3573
02:27:25,520 --> 02:27:26,880
where there's new issues that you have

3574
02:27:26,880 --> 02:27:29,040
to deal with. So when you do have a

3575
02:27:29,040 --> 02:27:30,880
vision of what you want your businesses

3576
02:27:30,880 --> 02:27:33,200
to be, really the key is how do you

3577
02:27:33,200 --> 02:27:35,200
reduce barriers

3578
02:27:35,200 --> 02:27:37,280
so that money could flow in so that

3579
02:27:37,280 --> 02:27:39,439
those type of businesses could open up.

3580
02:27:39,439 --> 02:27:41,439
Whether that's reducing building permit

3581
02:27:41,439 --> 02:27:43,359
time, reducing what the use permit

3582
02:27:43,359 --> 02:27:45,359
process is, but really you want to line

3583
02:27:45,359 --> 02:27:47,040
up your plan so that there's less

3584
02:27:47,040 --> 02:27:48,560
friction involved. So then when people

3585
02:27:48,560 --> 02:27:50,560
do want to invest their money to open

3586
02:27:50,560 --> 02:27:52,560
those type of businesses that align with

3587
02:27:52,560 --> 02:27:57,520
what the excuse me town's vision is.

3588
02:27:57,520 --> 02:27:59,680
Good.

3589
02:27:59,680 --> 02:28:01,680
>> Great. Well, so I guess what I was about

3590
02:28:01,680 --> 02:28:04,880
to say was in light of this discussion,

3591
02:28:04,880 --> 02:28:07,040
I wonder if we

3592
02:28:07,040 --> 02:28:09,359
articulate the ideas about village hall

3593
02:28:09,359 --> 02:28:11,840
and town hall separately and kind of

3594
02:28:11,840 --> 02:28:13,280
take temperature on those separately.

3595
02:28:13,280 --> 02:28:15,680
Those are two different approaches and

3596
02:28:15,680 --> 02:28:18,560
we maybe articulate the vision for town

3597
02:28:18,560 --> 02:28:21,120
hall which could include moving the town

3598
02:28:21,120 --> 02:28:22,720
hall. Maybe we try and flesh out that

3599
02:28:22,720 --> 02:28:24,800
idea a little bit more as part of a

3600
02:28:24,800 --> 02:28:27,040
concept. So, I might just make that one

3601
02:28:27,040 --> 02:28:28,399
edit. Otherwise, I think we're good to

3602
02:28:28,399 --> 02:28:29,359
go. Land use.

3603
02:28:29,359 --> 02:28:31,280
>> It's an unexpected iteration, but yeah,

3604
02:28:31,280 --> 02:28:32,960
that makes sense.

3605
02:28:32,960 --> 02:28:35,840
>> Great. All right. Uh oh, and to your

3606
02:28:35,840 --> 02:28:38,960
earlier point, uh just just about the

3607
02:28:38,960 --> 02:28:41,680
approach or the the the workflow here, I

3608
02:28:41,680 --> 02:28:44,319
had the same vision, which is I'm hoping

3609
02:28:44,319 --> 02:28:47,120
to develop a through our final CAC

3610
02:28:47,120 --> 02:28:49,840
meeting a recommendation for a clear

3611
02:28:49,840 --> 02:28:51,760
policy, which we then bring to council.

3612
02:28:51,760 --> 02:28:53,520
You guys endorse it, and that becomes

3613
02:28:53,520 --> 02:28:55,439
the plan direction. So it becomes this

3614
02:28:55,439 --> 02:28:57,040
sort of step-wise process. So

3615
02:28:57,040 --> 02:28:58,560
>> perfect. Thank you.

3616
02:28:58,560 --> 02:29:01,200
>> Great. All right. Last topic, public

3617
02:29:01,200 --> 02:29:02,720
spaces.

3618
02:29:02,720 --> 02:29:09,429
So here are some ideas.

3619
02:29:09,439 --> 02:29:14,319
Okay. Anyone want to kick us off?

3620
02:29:14,319 --> 02:29:17,760
I can try again if you want.

3621
02:29:17,760 --> 02:29:21,040
Oh, I'm happy to go. Um, so again on

3622
02:29:21,040 --> 02:29:22,800
outdoor dining, we all want outdoor

3623
02:29:22,800 --> 02:29:26,080
dining obviously, but um

3624
02:29:26,080 --> 02:29:28,399
yeah, without parking, you know, it's so

3625
02:29:28,399 --> 02:29:30,800
it's all tied back to parking. Um, and

3626
02:29:30,800 --> 02:29:33,040
without parking services, my only

3627
02:29:33,040 --> 02:29:35,200
thoughts on this really were farmers

3628
02:29:35,200 --> 02:29:37,840
market. We've tried this many times and

3629
02:29:37,840 --> 02:29:39,520
it's never taken off. And we have a

3630
02:29:39,520 --> 02:29:41,040
farmers market. It's called Robert's

3631
02:29:41,040 --> 02:29:44,240
Market. So, I I personally wish that one

3632
02:29:44,240 --> 02:29:46,560
wasn't on the list, but that's my own

3633
02:29:46,560 --> 02:29:49,200
overlay. Um,

3634
02:29:49,200 --> 02:29:52,319
and actually this gazebo idea,

3635
02:29:52,319 --> 02:29:55,120
uh, now we're sort of pivoting to the

3636
02:29:55,120 --> 02:29:58,560
use of that area as potential housing

3637
02:29:58,560 --> 02:30:02,640
density. Um, so I don't I don't know.

3638
02:30:02,640 --> 02:30:04,560
How do you get to the H. Okay, that's

3639
02:30:04,560 --> 02:30:06,000
about all I would say for the moment.

3640
02:30:06,000 --> 02:30:09,359
So, um, I've always, I guess last thing

3641
02:30:09,359 --> 02:30:10,800
I might say is I always sort of dreamed

3642
02:30:10,800 --> 02:30:13,040
that we would have a band shell. We

3643
02:30:13,040 --> 02:30:14,640
would have Fourth of July concert series

3644
02:30:14,640 --> 02:30:16,720
in a concert series over the summer. And

3645
02:30:16,720 --> 02:30:17,840
I always thought that would be a

3646
02:30:17,840 --> 02:30:19,359
beautiful thing to do as a gathering

3647
02:30:19,359 --> 02:30:21,359
spot uh with the Woodside Village band.

3648
02:30:21,359 --> 02:30:25,359
And uh, that's a that's a small town um,

3649
02:30:25,359 --> 02:30:27,359
uh, beautiful image to me, but I'm not

3650
02:30:27,359 --> 02:30:28,720
sure we're going to get there, and I

3651
02:30:28,720 --> 02:30:29,920
don't know how to get there without a

3652
02:30:29,920 --> 02:30:32,319
lot of funding, but um, particularly

3653
02:30:32,319 --> 02:30:33,680
when we have other priorities like

3654
02:30:33,680 --> 02:30:38,070
housing. Other

3655
02:30:38,080 --> 02:30:39,840
thoughts?

3656
02:30:39,840 --> 02:30:41,680
>> Did want to comment on the uh farmers

3657
02:30:41,680 --> 02:30:44,880
market and um we heard a lot of negative

3658
02:30:44,880 --> 02:30:46,960
push back from property owners from from

3659
02:30:46,960 --> 02:30:50,319
business owners um about some of the

3660
02:30:50,319 --> 02:30:53,120
public spaces near Roberts and near the

3661
02:30:53,120 --> 02:30:56,640
Pioneer. Um that there were a lot of

3662
02:30:56,640 --> 02:30:59,920
reasons not to do that and um

3663
02:30:59,920 --> 02:31:01,920
>> including by our bar.

3664
02:31:01,920 --> 02:31:03,120
>> Yeah. Well, there was like Yeah, but I

3665
02:31:03,120 --> 02:31:04,319
mean, we didn't want to compete with

3666
02:31:04,319 --> 02:31:06,560
them and, you know, also force them to

3667
02:31:06,560 --> 02:31:08,800
clean up and take care of those areas.

3668
02:31:08,800 --> 02:31:11,680
Um, but I think that, um, I love farmers

3669
02:31:11,680 --> 02:31:13,840
markets, I got to tell you, but I don't

3670
02:31:13,840 --> 02:31:16,399
like the idea of putting a business next

3671
02:31:16,399 --> 02:31:18,960
to a business. Um, you know, I can tell

3672
02:31:18,960 --> 02:31:20,560
you Christine Roberts was very much

3673
02:31:20,560 --> 02:31:23,760
against it and I am as well. Um, it but

3674
02:31:23,760 --> 02:31:26,080
I love them. We part we shop at them

3675
02:31:26,080 --> 02:31:28,800
about every other weekend. Um, and I

3676
02:31:28,800 --> 02:31:30,800
think that they're great, but you know,

3677
02:31:30,800 --> 02:31:33,200
that's not great for

3678
02:31:33,200 --> 02:31:34,880
the business next door that's paying

3679
02:31:34,880 --> 02:31:37,040
taxes and doing all these other things

3680
02:31:37,040 --> 02:31:39,840
and has overhead and employees and, you

3681
02:31:39,840 --> 02:31:41,439
know, refrigerate, you know, all sorts

3682
02:31:41,439 --> 02:31:42,640
of things that they have to do and

3683
02:31:42,640 --> 02:31:44,319
overhead that they have to cover and

3684
02:31:44,319 --> 02:31:45,920
then suddenly some people pull up in,

3685
02:31:45,920 --> 02:31:47,359
you know, trailers and, you know,

3686
02:31:47,359 --> 02:31:49,840
compete with them and, uh, selling fresh

3687
02:31:49,840 --> 02:31:51,680
produce. So, and and baked goods or

3688
02:31:51,680 --> 02:31:54,000
whatever it is. So, I'm I'm not crazy

3689
02:31:54,000 --> 02:31:55,680
about that idea. I think that there's

3690
02:31:55,680 --> 02:31:57,760
other things that we could do. And uh

3691
02:31:57,760 --> 02:31:59,760
again, outdoor dining always rises to

3692
02:31:59,760 --> 02:32:01,600
the top. We're not against it, but boy,

3693
02:32:01,600 --> 02:32:03,200
if you want an example of stuff we don't

3694
02:32:03,200 --> 02:32:05,120
control, that would be I mean, that's

3695
02:32:05,120 --> 02:32:07,520
exhibit A. We all want it. And it's like

3696
02:32:07,520 --> 02:32:09,920
the market speaks because if um the

3697
02:32:09,920 --> 02:32:12,720
property owner, the landlord can't make

3698
02:32:12,720 --> 02:32:15,120
it work. Um they're not it's not going

3699
02:32:15,120 --> 02:32:16,960
to happen. And they can they can make it

3700
02:32:16,960 --> 02:32:19,600
come or go as they as they wish. Um and

3701
02:32:19,600 --> 02:32:20,960
that's sort of the situation that we're

3702
02:32:20,960 --> 02:32:24,399
in right now. But um I I mean we're

3703
02:32:24,399 --> 02:32:25,760
going to try to do everything we can to

3704
02:32:25,760 --> 02:32:27,120
get outdoor dining and right at the top

3705
02:32:27,120 --> 02:32:28,880
of the list would be obviously carving

3706
02:32:28,880 --> 02:32:30,720
out some parking for that as well and

3707
02:32:30,720 --> 02:32:34,870
that's what this is all about.

3708
02:32:34,880 --> 02:32:37,120
» All right, I can go. Um so I think

3709
02:32:37,120 --> 02:32:38,720
there's some great ideas on this list.

3710
02:32:38,720 --> 02:32:40,880
Um,

3711
02:32:40,880 --> 02:32:42,240
you know, I tend to agree with the

3712
02:32:42,240 --> 02:32:43,600
comments around the farmers market

3713
02:32:43,600 --> 02:32:46,880
mainly well in mainly for the reasons

3714
02:32:46,880 --> 02:32:48,240
that already been stated, but also, you

3715
02:32:48,240 --> 02:32:50,160
know, we did try a farmers market here

3716
02:32:50,160 --> 02:32:52,640
in town a number of years ago and it was

3717
02:32:52,640 --> 02:32:56,560
really not very um well attended and I

3718
02:32:56,560 --> 02:32:58,399
think for that that reason kind of

3719
02:32:58,399 --> 02:33:01,040
folded. Um, but other than that, I'm not

3720
02:33:01,040 --> 02:33:02,479
sure I would take anything off this

3721
02:33:02,479 --> 02:33:04,000
list, but I will kind of highlight a

3722
02:33:04,000 --> 02:33:07,520
couple. Um, I think outdoor dining is,

3723
02:33:07,520 --> 02:33:09,120
somebody else said it, I'll repeat it,

3724
02:33:09,120 --> 02:33:13,040
sorely missed. Um, I'm I'm hoping that

3725
02:33:13,040 --> 02:33:14,319
regardless of what happens with this

3726
02:33:14,319 --> 02:33:17,760
litigation that um the the property

3727
02:33:17,760 --> 02:33:21,280
owner, the businesses there, whatever

3728
02:33:21,280 --> 02:33:23,280
support the town needs like to offer,

3729
02:33:23,280 --> 02:33:26,399
like that we can figure this out. Um,

3730
02:33:26,399 --> 02:33:28,560
because everybody loved it. It was such

3731
02:33:28,560 --> 02:33:31,680
an asset to the town. Um, so hoping we

3732
02:33:31,680 --> 02:33:34,000
can find a way through on that one.

3733
02:33:34,000 --> 02:33:37,520
Um, I think one of the things that is

3734
02:33:37,520 --> 02:33:39,840
really missing for me in this town

3735
02:33:39,840 --> 02:33:43,359
center area planned plan is um kind of a

3736
02:33:43,359 --> 02:33:45,760
signature gathering space. And you know,

3737
02:33:45,760 --> 02:33:47,040
whether that's a gathering space where

3738
02:33:47,040 --> 02:33:49,680
we could have summer concerts or speaker

3739
02:33:49,680 --> 02:33:51,359
series

3740
02:33:51,359 --> 02:33:54,880
um a park like Portullah Valley. I mean,

3741
02:33:54,880 --> 02:33:57,200
other our our peer cities do this so

3742
02:33:57,200 --> 02:34:01,120
well. Um, and I and I get that there are

3743
02:34:01,120 --> 02:34:03,359
a lot of constraints here, but I think

3744
02:34:03,359 --> 02:34:06,880
like to me this is like most glaring

3745
02:34:06,880 --> 02:34:09,600
missing thing here um is a proposal

3746
02:34:09,600 --> 02:34:10,960
around like here's how we could make

3747
02:34:10,960 --> 02:34:13,200
that happen and you know maybe you know

3748
02:34:13,200 --> 02:34:14,960
maybe it's right out our door. I don't

3749
02:34:14,960 --> 02:34:18,240
know. Um, but I would really love to see

3750
02:34:18,240 --> 02:34:22,000
um something where um there's a a

3751
02:34:22,000 --> 02:34:23,680
meaningful gathering space and I I

3752
02:34:23,680 --> 02:34:27,200
didn't get that from the um the little

3753
02:34:27,200 --> 02:34:29,280
triangle outside of Roberts, right? Like

3754
02:34:29,280 --> 02:34:32,240
you know that that that's not it. Um so

3755
02:34:32,240 --> 02:34:35,840
what what what can be done? Help us. Um

3756
02:34:35,840 --> 02:34:42,240
and then also um really loved the idea

3757
02:34:42,240 --> 02:34:46,000
around making town center look nicer. Um

3758
02:34:46,000 --> 02:34:47,680
I we definitely want to balance it with

3759
02:34:47,680 --> 02:34:50,319
like the bucolic nature of Woodside. We

3760
02:34:50,319 --> 02:34:52,479
don't want to overengineer, but I think

3761
02:34:52,479 --> 02:34:55,520
there's definitely room for improvement

3762
02:34:55,520 --> 02:34:57,680
um when you enter town and as you travel

3763
02:34:57,680 --> 02:35:01,760
through town. Um I think um definitely

3764
02:35:01,760 --> 02:35:03,600
exploring that more and coming back with

3765
02:35:03,600 --> 02:35:05,280
like some specific recommendations I

3766
02:35:05,280 --> 02:35:08,399
would be very much in support of.

3767
02:35:08,399 --> 02:35:12,160
>> And just on that last point um you know

3768
02:35:12,160 --> 02:35:14,160
landscaping and beautifification of town

3769
02:35:14,160 --> 02:35:16,240
is something that we we do have a lot of

3770
02:35:16,240 --> 02:35:18,000
interest from our citizens in privately

3771
02:35:18,000 --> 02:35:20,319
funding. And so I think I would almost

3772
02:35:20,319 --> 02:35:22,720
bold that one out at some level that um

3773
02:35:22,720 --> 02:35:24,640
there's a desire and there's great

3774
02:35:24,640 --> 02:35:27,760
projects we want to hear about them.

3775
02:35:27,760 --> 02:35:29,760
Other thoughts on public gathering

3776
02:35:29,760 --> 02:35:32,319
spaces? Yes.

3777
02:35:32,319 --> 02:35:35,840
>> I I guess I would say I I believe this

3778
02:35:35,840 --> 02:35:38,479
building is an underutilized resource.

3779
02:35:38,479 --> 02:35:40,560
We're talking about a gathering place,

3780
02:35:40,560 --> 02:35:43,120
community center. We do have a lot of

3781
02:35:43,120 --> 02:35:45,840
activities in this building. Uh it's

3782
02:35:45,840 --> 02:35:47,920
just not as well publicized sometimes as

3783
02:35:47,920 --> 02:35:52,479
it it might could be. I mean we have um

3784
02:35:52,479 --> 02:35:56,080
the um the art committee every every

3785
02:35:56,080 --> 02:35:58,560
first every month is show having

3786
02:35:58,560 --> 02:36:02,800
programs um we have workshops

3787
02:36:02,800 --> 02:36:04,880
at least once a month sometimes two or

3788
02:36:04,880 --> 02:36:08,000
three times a month um and there's that

3789
02:36:08,000 --> 02:36:09,359
I don't could even tell you some of the

3790
02:36:09,359 --> 02:36:10,880
other things I don't know about but

3791
02:36:10,880 --> 02:36:12,800
there's a lot of things that go on here

3792
02:36:12,800 --> 02:36:15,439
and if we want to create a community

3793
02:36:15,439 --> 02:36:18,160
center maybe we want to look at this as

3794
02:36:18,160 --> 02:36:19,840
the key to it then are there other

3795
02:36:19,840 --> 02:36:22,000
things we want to do to enhance this.

3796
02:36:22,000 --> 02:36:23,600
Um, parking would have to be part of

3797
02:36:23,600 --> 02:36:26,960
that. Um, but, uh, I don't think I put a

3798
02:36:26,960 --> 02:36:30,720
whole lot of effort into building a new community center as a

3799
02:36:30,720 --> 02:36:32,560
part of thinking about what we have now

3800
02:36:32,560 --> 02:36:35,200
and what can we do with it. Um, farmers

3801
02:36:35,200 --> 02:36:38,479
market. Um, I don't see the market for

3802
02:36:38,479 --> 02:36:40,319
it here in Woodside. I don't think it's

3803
02:36:40,319 --> 02:36:43,680
a big enough market. Um, and I don't I

3804
02:36:43,680 --> 02:36:45,359
don't know where you'd do it without

3805
02:36:45,359 --> 02:36:47,520
competing head-to-head with one of our

3806
02:36:47,520 --> 02:36:52,160
key businesses. Um,

3807
02:36:52,160 --> 02:36:54,399
the rest I mean the rest is kind of like

3808
02:36:54,399 --> 02:36:56,399
um, you know,

3809
02:36:56,399 --> 02:37:01,840
good stuff to be looking at. I have no problem with it.

3810
02:37:01,840 --> 02:37:03,280
>> Got it.

3811
02:37:03,280 --> 02:37:04,800
>> Anything to tack on there?

3812
02:37:04,800 --> 02:37:05,840
>> Sure. All right.

3813
02:37:05,840 --> 02:37:07,280
>> Yeah, I think, you know, adding the

3814
02:37:07,280 --> 02:37:09,040
outdoor dining, getting it back. I think

3815
02:37:09,040 --> 02:37:10,720
that's I think we're everyone's in

3816
02:37:10,720 --> 02:37:13,600
agreement on that. Um so ideas on how to

3817
02:37:13,600 --> 02:37:18,240
facilitate that would be welcome. Uh

3818
02:37:18,240 --> 02:37:22,640
I and I agree with uh Jen's comments on

3819
02:37:22,640 --> 02:37:24,000
uh you know really having a community

3820
02:37:24,000 --> 02:37:26,479
center and I think this could be part of

3821
02:37:26,479 --> 02:37:28,960
it where we're sitting here. Um I think

3822
02:37:28,960 --> 02:37:30,800
you know some ideas would be appreciated

3823
02:37:30,800 --> 02:37:33,600
for things we could add you know to this

3824
02:37:33,600 --> 02:37:35,520
property or move things. I I don't even

3825
02:37:35,520 --> 02:37:37,840
know what that would look like exactly,

3826
02:37:37,840 --> 02:37:40,960
but um I saw there's a you know spot for

3827
02:37:40,960 --> 02:37:45,040
a gazebo if we we think bigger and you

3828
02:37:45,040 --> 02:37:47,120
know and if we move things around and

3829
02:37:47,120 --> 02:37:48,960
get creative

3830
02:37:48,960 --> 02:37:51,840
um what could that look like

3831
02:37:51,840 --> 02:37:54,240
otherwise? Yeah. And yeah, I would agree

3832
02:37:54,240 --> 02:37:55,840
with I think the only thing we can

3833
02:37:55,840 --> 02:37:59,680
strike is the farmers market. So this is

3834
02:37:59,680 --> 02:38:01,439
the most iron clad section we've had

3835
02:38:01,439 --> 02:38:03,920
yet. It was easy uh to strike farmers

3836
02:38:03,920 --> 02:38:07,760
market and but but I will say I I am

3837
02:38:07,760 --> 02:38:15,760
hearing a desire ultimately for a cohesive strategy about where the

3838
02:38:15,760 --> 02:38:18,720
heart of the town center is. Is it here

3839
02:38:18,720 --> 02:38:20,640
or is it not? And if it's here, what

3840
02:38:20,640 --> 02:38:21,920
does it look like? And how does that

3841
02:38:21,920 --> 02:38:23,760
relate to the shared we called it a

3842
02:38:23,760 --> 02:38:26,720
shared street last time, the um nice

3843
02:38:26,720 --> 02:38:28,319
cobblestone, but how does that fit into

3844
02:38:28,319 --> 02:38:29,840
that? Um, so anyway, so that's good

3845
02:38:29,840 --> 02:38:31,200
thoughts for us from the plan

3846
02:38:31,200 --> 02:38:32,640
perspective, but for right now, we'll

3847
02:38:32,640 --> 02:38:34,560
just strike the one bullet and we'll go

3848
02:38:34,560 --> 02:38:35,760
from there.

3849
02:38:35,760 --> 02:38:39,439
>> Great. Thank you so much.

3850
02:38:39,439 --> 02:38:42,000
>> That include urban. That was all

3851
02:38:42,000 --> 02:38:43,280
combined. That's it.

3852
02:38:43,280 --> 02:38:45,200
>> All right, that's it. Okay. Well, thank

3853
02:38:45,200 --> 02:38:47,600
you for all of your leadership and it's

3854
02:38:47,600 --> 02:38:50,399
um is a thought-provoking conversation.

3855
02:38:50,399 --> 02:38:52,560
Um we appreciate being here tonight. So,

3856
02:38:52,560 --> 02:38:54,800
thank you. Good luck

3857
02:38:54,800 --> 02:38:56,240
>> you guys.

3858
02:38:56,240 --> 02:38:58,960
Uh two items left uh tonight. Any uh

3859
02:38:58,960 --> 02:39:01,439
volunteer report? Nothing. Okay. And

3860
02:39:01,439 --> 02:39:03,680
then any anything anyone wants to hear

3861
02:39:03,680 --> 02:39:05,760
from council communications?

3862
02:39:05,760 --> 02:39:06,319
>> I do.

3863
02:39:06,319 --> 02:39:07,040
>> Yes, sir.

3864
02:39:07,040 --> 02:39:09,439
>> Um I've had actually a few from cons

3865
02:39:09,439 --> 02:39:12,160
well from constituents and from others.

3866
02:39:12,160 --> 02:39:18,160
Uh one, as our town manager knows, um

3867
02:39:18,160 --> 02:39:20,240
I'm getting some complaints from

3868
02:39:20,240 --> 02:39:22,000
neighbors of Barkley Field about

3869
02:39:22,000 --> 02:39:24,960
amplified noise. Um, the point was made

3870
02:39:24,960 --> 02:39:28,399
that literally every promise that was

3871
02:39:28,399 --> 02:39:30,479
made to them about noise and use of that

3872
02:39:30,479 --> 02:39:33,520
field has been broken over the roughly

3873
02:39:33,520 --> 02:39:37,280
20 years since it was dedicated by me,

3874
02:39:37,280 --> 02:39:38,240
by the way.

3875
02:39:38,240 --> 02:39:40,399
>> Um, and it's been and and I think that

3876
02:39:40,399 --> 02:39:43,439
it's uh the

3877
02:39:43,439 --> 02:39:45,280
those people deserve better, I think.

3878
02:39:45,280 --> 02:39:47,680
And um we need to do something because

3879
02:39:47,680 --> 02:39:49,040
they can I don't hear it where I live,

3880
02:39:49,040 --> 02:39:51,840
but but where the families that live

3881
02:39:51,840 --> 02:39:53,280
closer to it. By the way, Woodside

3882
02:39:53,280 --> 02:39:55,040
residents and Redwood City residents,

3883
02:39:55,040 --> 02:39:57,760
but mostly Woodside residents are um you

3884
02:39:57,760 --> 02:40:00,000
know, they're subject to hearing, you

3885
02:40:00,000 --> 02:40:01,600
know, uh softball players being

3886
02:40:01,600 --> 02:40:03,439
announced on a loudspeaker, you know,

3887
02:40:03,439 --> 02:40:05,439
all during the day and sometimes in the

3888
02:40:05,439 --> 02:40:07,280
early evening. And that's not what they

3889
02:40:07,280 --> 02:40:09,120
were promised. And so, we need to take

3890
02:40:09,120 --> 02:40:11,200
some action to at least give them some

3891
02:40:11,200 --> 02:40:13,520
peace, uh which I think they deserve.

3892
02:40:13,520 --> 02:40:14,720
The other thing I wanted to mention was

3893
02:40:14,720 --> 02:40:16,479
625 East View. I've been talking with

3894
02:40:16,479 --> 02:40:18,479
the town attorney about it. This is one

3895
02:40:18,479 --> 02:40:20,479
of the properties that um we're

3896
02:40:20,479 --> 02:40:22,240
proceeding with abatement procedures.

3897
02:40:22,240 --> 02:40:25,200
It's a nuisance and uh my understanding

3898
02:40:25,200 --> 02:40:27,920
is that it is now we have an attorney

3899
02:40:27,920 --> 02:40:31,200
working on it to uh I'll use the word

3900
02:40:31,200 --> 02:40:32,640
foreclose. We're not foreclosing on it,

3901
02:40:32,640 --> 02:40:34,640
but I mean that we're taking steps to uh

3902
02:40:34,640 --> 02:40:38,160
make it safe and uh do that. But it's um

3903
02:40:38,160 --> 02:40:40,399
it takes time and apparently there has

3904
02:40:40,399 --> 02:40:43,040
been some prog progress made with that.

3905
02:40:43,040 --> 02:40:44,720
There's now red tape surrounding the

3906
02:40:44,720 --> 02:40:46,479
house, but neighbors are aware that it's

3907
02:40:46,479 --> 02:40:49,359
still a nuisance and attracting,

3908
02:40:49,359 --> 02:40:52,240
you know, um um vandalism and, you know,

3909
02:40:52,240 --> 02:40:55,120
mischief and that sort of thing. Um I

3910
02:40:55,120 --> 02:40:56,800
also wanted to mention at the SFO

3911
02:40:56,800 --> 02:41:00,880
airport roundt that um we've really

3912
02:41:00,880 --> 02:41:02,800
tried to shake it up quite a bit and uh

3913
02:41:02,800 --> 02:41:05,439
as some of you may know uh one of the

3914
02:41:05,439 --> 02:41:07,120
runways is under construction. Maybe you

3915
02:41:07,120 --> 02:41:08,640
don't know that. uh that happened about

3916
02:41:08,640 --> 02:41:10,720
a month ago and coincidentally with that

3917
02:41:10,720 --> 02:41:13,600
the FAA decided to shut down one of our

3918
02:41:13,600 --> 02:41:16,000
uh to change our staggering of our

3919
02:41:16,000 --> 02:41:18,160
planes that can land side by side. It

3920
02:41:18,160 --> 02:41:19,840
actually was because of in Washington DC

3921
02:41:19,840 --> 02:41:22,319
at the PTOAC the helicopter that crashed

3922
02:41:22,319 --> 02:41:23,760
into the airplane. That's it didn't have

3923
02:41:23,760 --> 02:41:25,280
anything to do with SFO. They changed

3924
02:41:25,280 --> 02:41:28,479
this rule um nationwide but it changed

3925
02:41:28,479 --> 02:41:30,080
the fight patterns pretty dramatically.

3926
02:41:30,080 --> 02:41:32,479
And interestingly enough, the cities

3927
02:41:32,479 --> 02:41:35,840
that are most affected by noise

3928
02:41:35,840 --> 02:41:38,960
are finding it a lot quieter. And the

3929
02:41:38,960 --> 02:41:40,800
cities that had been least affected by

3930
02:41:40,800 --> 02:41:42,960
noise are suddenly getting complaints.

3931
02:41:42,960 --> 02:41:45,520
And that includes Woodside. So Woodside

3932
02:41:45,520 --> 02:41:48,080
where we get almost no complaints. And

3933
02:41:48,080 --> 02:41:49,439
in fact, I've even made the statement

3934
02:41:49,439 --> 02:41:50,960
that in all my years sitting in this

3935
02:41:50,960 --> 02:41:52,800
room, I'm not aware of anybody ever

3936
02:41:52,800 --> 02:41:54,240
coming to that microphone and

3937
02:41:54,240 --> 02:41:56,240
complaining about air airplane noise.

3938
02:41:56,240 --> 02:41:57,840
Maybe I forgot, but I don't remember a

3939
02:41:57,840 --> 02:41:59,680
single time. Suddenly we're starting to

3940
02:41:59,680 --> 02:42:01,520
get them. Uh suddenly we've seen a

3941
02:42:01,520 --> 02:42:03,600
couple of emails and we've gotten some

3942
02:42:03,600 --> 02:42:05,760
complaints and I see it on next oops on

3943
02:42:05,760 --> 02:42:07,840
next door and other lo and other places

3944
02:42:07,840 --> 02:42:09,520
that suddenly this flight pattern has

3945
02:42:09,520 --> 02:42:11,600
changed and now Woodside's getting it.

3946
02:42:11,600 --> 02:42:14,800
By the way, it's not like we're Milbury

3947
02:42:14,800 --> 02:42:16,160
or Bris I mean you know we're not

3948
02:42:16,160 --> 02:42:18,240
getting the kind of flight noise that

3949
02:42:18,240 --> 02:42:19,439
you know we're right under the flight

3950
02:42:19,439 --> 02:42:21,840
patterns but it's it's it still bothers

3951
02:42:21,840 --> 02:42:23,680
people. Pulla Valley for some reason

3952
02:42:23,680 --> 02:42:25,760
seems to get it worse than we do but um

3953
02:42:25,760 --> 02:42:27,520
I'm just bringing that up. We actually

3954
02:42:27,520 --> 02:42:30,240
are having a workshop um a public

3955
02:42:30,240 --> 02:42:32,479
workshop on Thursday night at Brisbane

3956
02:42:32,479 --> 02:42:35,600
City Hall uh to try to get public input

3957
02:42:35,600 --> 02:42:38,479
on some of the steps we're trying to

3958
02:42:38,479 --> 02:42:40,800
take to do it. Um I've been sitting on

3959
02:42:40,800 --> 02:42:43,600
that group since 1999. I know I am

3960
02:42:43,600 --> 02:42:46,960
pretty old, but um

3961
02:42:46,960 --> 02:42:49,600
this group, the SF airport round table,

3962
02:42:49,600 --> 02:42:51,520
I think is one of the mo is one of the

3963
02:42:51,520 --> 02:42:53,600
least effective groups you could imagine

3964
02:42:53,600 --> 02:42:55,040
in government. We've been talking about

3965
02:42:55,040 --> 02:42:56,640
the same thing for 30 years that I'm

3966
02:42:56,640 --> 02:43:00,080
aware of and um nothing really has

3967
02:43:00,080 --> 02:43:02,319
changed. And so the new chairman, Steve

3968
02:43:02,319 --> 02:43:04,000
Raldi, who's the mayor of Milbury, me,

3969
02:43:04,000 --> 02:43:05,600
I'm the vice chair, we're trying to

3970
02:43:05,600 --> 02:43:07,040
shake things up a little bit and make

3971
02:43:07,040 --> 02:43:08,720
some changes to it. And we've gotten

3972
02:43:08,720 --> 02:43:10,800
some cooperation from uh the airport

3973
02:43:10,800 --> 02:43:12,720
director and some other folks. So we are

3974
02:43:12,720 --> 02:43:14,640
going to try to do some things and uh in

3975
02:43:14,640 --> 02:43:16,240
the meantime, it's creating some

3976
02:43:16,240 --> 02:43:17,840
discomfort for some other people, but I

3977
02:43:17,840 --> 02:43:19,840
just wanted folks aware of that. That's

3978
02:43:19,840 --> 02:43:22,800
it. Thank you.

3979
02:43:22,800 --> 02:43:23,920
any anything else?

3980
02:43:23,920 --> 02:43:27,520
>> Yeah. Um just wanted to make the council

3981
02:43:27,520 --> 02:43:31,200
aware of um something coming out of

3982
02:43:31,200 --> 02:43:35,040
CACAG. So um there's an opportunity that

3983
02:43:35,040 --> 02:43:37,840
um that board asked um to get

3984
02:43:37,840 --> 02:43:40,080
highlighted. So basically there are some

3985
02:43:40,080 --> 02:43:43,359
quick build project opportunities

3986
02:43:43,359 --> 02:43:45,840
um and I know Lewis you're looking into

3987
02:43:45,840 --> 02:43:48,720
this um and that we've been asked to

3988
02:43:48,720 --> 02:43:51,520
provide uh project concepts by July 1st.

3989
02:43:51,520 --> 02:43:54,319
So, um, it's around the Metropolitan

3990
02:43:54,319 --> 02:43:56,399
Transportation Commission is currently

3991
02:43:56,399 --> 02:43:58,640
seeking potential quick build project

3992
02:43:58,640 --> 02:44:01,680
concepts from local jurisdictions. Um,

3993
02:44:01,680 --> 02:44:03,120
if you didn't know what a quick build

3994
02:44:03,120 --> 02:44:06,000
project is is, it's a lowcost, rapidly

3995
02:44:06,000 --> 02:44:07,760
deployable improvement that can help

3996
02:44:07,760 --> 02:44:10,000
address safety concerns, improve

3997
02:44:10,000 --> 02:44:11,840
multimodal access, I'm not sure what

3998
02:44:11,840 --> 02:44:14,720
that is, and test transportation

3999
02:44:14,720 --> 02:44:16,800
solutions before permanent imple

4000
02:44:16,800 --> 02:44:18,319
implementation. So, this is all part of

4001
02:44:18,319 --> 02:44:20,800
a 5-year regional initiative started in

4002
02:44:20,800 --> 02:44:24,000
2025, running through 2030. Um,

4003
02:44:24,000 --> 02:44:26,240
supported by approximately 12 million in

4004
02:44:26,240 --> 02:44:29,040
funding. Um, so it's in early stages,

4005
02:44:29,040 --> 02:44:31,600
but MTC is requesting jurisdictions to

4006
02:44:31,600 --> 02:44:33,600
identify potential project locations and

4007
02:44:33,600 --> 02:44:35,680
concepts to help evaluate um

4008
02:44:35,680 --> 02:44:37,439
partnerships and coordinate project

4009
02:44:37,439 --> 02:44:40,800
delivery. Um so Woodsid's encouraged to

4010
02:44:40,800 --> 02:44:42,880
coordinate um with our public works

4011
02:44:42,880 --> 02:44:44,960
department um to identify potential

4012
02:44:44,960 --> 02:44:48,720
projects. Um and you know they

4013
02:44:48,720 --> 02:44:51,760
definitely um caveat that a submission

4014
02:44:51,760 --> 02:44:53,520
of a concept is not a commitment of

4015
02:44:53,520 --> 02:44:57,359
funding. Um but I think um you know I

4016
02:44:57,359 --> 02:44:59,359
think these are all great things and we

4017
02:44:59,359 --> 02:45:01,439
should be curious um to hear once you

4018
02:45:01,439 --> 02:45:03,359
have an idea of like whether or not we

4019
02:45:03,359 --> 02:45:06,560
might want to submit something. Um it's

4020
02:45:06,560 --> 02:45:09,840
due July 1st. So um maybe we could we

4021
02:45:09,840 --> 02:45:12,319
could hear about um whether or not we

4022
02:45:12,319 --> 02:45:14,080
can submit projects at a future council

4023
02:45:14,080 --> 02:45:15,520
meeting.

4024
02:45:15,520 --> 02:45:17,279
>> Council um council member Wells I

4025
02:45:17,279 --> 02:45:19,040
already submitted for the upper Ola

4026
02:45:19,040 --> 02:45:21,520
Honda row project. So there's another

4027
02:45:21,520 --> 02:45:23,359
concept that we're also working on. It's

4028
02:45:23,359 --> 02:45:25,840
Katada row and Glenwood. So

4029
02:45:25,840 --> 02:45:27,120
>> okay fantastic. I think you might have

4030
02:45:27,120 --> 02:45:28,800
told me that. So sorry apologies for not

4031
02:45:28,800 --> 02:45:30,800
remembering that. Thank you.

4032
02:45:30,800 --> 02:45:33,840
>> Wonderful. Anything else?

4033
02:45:33,840 --> 02:45:36,319
The only other item I saw on an AEG

4034
02:45:36,319 --> 02:45:38,319
calendar for next week was uh a

4035
02:45:38,319 --> 02:45:40,479
presentation on housing cycle 7. It's

4036
02:45:40,479 --> 02:45:42,240
the first time I've seen that somewhere.

4037
02:45:42,240 --> 02:45:44,640
So, we'll figure out a way to uh get

4038
02:45:44,640 --> 02:45:48,479
coverage on that and uh report back. Um

4039
02:45:48,479 --> 02:45:51,279
and I think with that, I'll just uh wish

4040
02:45:51,279 --> 02:45:53,200
my colleagues well and thank them for

4041
02:45:53,200 --> 02:45:55,520
their collegiality and professionalism

4042
02:45:55,520 --> 02:46:00,920
and um and we'll call it at 9:55.