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All right, ladies and gentlemen, it is 7.25 a.m. I am going to reconvene and call back to order. This August 18th meeting was for 18th, 20th, 20th, 20th, 16th meeting. It was like city council back into order. And although I'm not required to, I'm going to ask you to roll call for purposes of the record.

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Council member, here.

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Councillor Thomson.

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Councillor Van Route.

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Councillor Van Route.

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Councillor Singer's.

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Councillor Annabelle.

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Councillor Heather's.

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The Rabbi reflect all seven members.

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other words, thoughts?

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City Council, Jasper, reconvene in the move are being from our normal council chamber since

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to say all to the Woodstock Opera House

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Liberation of the Seedings meeting.

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We, at the time we left,

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the, we had just started working down our agenda.

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I'm going to go ahead and restart that process.

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The first item on the agenda this evening

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is floor discussion.

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And under floor discussion, it is a presentation

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for Murphy Development Group, White and Company,

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the value cast site plan and architectural update.

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This item is on the agenda this evening to provide a presentation, a overview and update of the items that are here for action this evening, items D1 and D2 for this Murphy proposed Murphy Development Group, Whitening Company, Chi-Cas Development Group, so for the purposes of this presentation, I am going to turn it over to staff over to Jessica Erickson, who is going to go ahead and group it.

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reintroduce the purpose, if you will, of the presentation and preview contest, and that

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you will turn it over to the team from...

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Thank you, Mary Turner, just briefly.

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The presentation, this evening, is intended to, by an update, as you said, in terms of

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the site name and architectural direction.

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Through recalling last, they last presented to you in May, and there have been some changes

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in some evolution of the site name.

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So this is intended to provide some context for the choice that you'll be asked to make

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clear today in terms of approving earlier seating in terms of approving the redevelopment

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agreement.

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We're not asking you to specifically approve anything that's being presented to you.

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The same plan itself is within the redevelopment agreement, but the architectural design and direction

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is really just for informational purposes.

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We're not asking you to approve that.

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that is seeking.

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Now that alternate over to, um,

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quite important.

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Great.

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And Chesco, while they're making their way to podium,

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I'll highlight to Council something that Chesco said,

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which is the, um,

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for read about the agreement.

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Our whole review of the proposal,

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um, there's still a process to go through as a release.

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something that if you would straighten that mic out

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and, uh, and let's, uh, give to you,

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you know, I was at a buzzer all the way.

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Thank you.

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Um, we're sure the kind of thing is something to improve today.

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I know the training is the process of the inter-trip and we, when we start this process,

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our community, what we're going to do, we're going to do a few,

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we're so going to go, there's still a lot of work to do,

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look and feel that this is more

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We're really going on with this.

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This is a rendering, but it's not fun, is that fair to say? I would say that passing is the most part of the kind of work. We think it should be details and colors and things like that.

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Next step, process, the work is

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I believe there are members of the public that want to make that kind of policy like to make about the proposal. What I'm suggesting is that we hold that to the item for action. I would make sure that's called off the consent

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issues too.

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to public issues, to providing food as well.

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And that's a bit of a staff process,

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so I'm good, just a bit of that.

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All right, gentlemen, I appreciate your time.

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That takes us to the next item under floor discussion,

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which is public comment.

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At this time, I invite members of public

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for supporting the middle of the room.

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If they're willing to do so,

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I'd state the name and address the purpose of the letter.

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Feel free to make comments to the list

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of our city council meeting and I have not

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I want to see if it's Jenna.

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This is reminder of public comment is limited to three minutes per unit.

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So it works.

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So public comment is now open.

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Thank you.

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I'm Amy Hardy.

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I live in 1951 Victoria Drive here in Woodstock.

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But do you mean and welcome to my home for a moment?

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Then of the friends at the upper house.

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And tonight I'm here once again to share a really wonderful opportunity

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that the friends have. If you remember a few minutes ago, I was talking about rainbow fish

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and that's well underway, very successful. The whole community is getting involved in

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the production. It's very rehearsals this week. So that's coming up on one of the performances

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that's already sold out. So we're excited about that. But tonight I'm here to share another project

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that were undertaken. The Friends of the Opera House are sponsoring the Pioneer Centres Theater

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production of Frozen right here on stage. It's a project that's very special to us. This is our

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second year of supporting these remarkable performers from the Pioneer Center. And we will be thrilled

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have you join us at this reduction. It's next Thursday morning at 10 o'clock. Maybe as well,

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there's no clock. We can't be there.

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Hope that you'll consider joining us because it's a wonderful

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heart-melved time with those clients from the Pioneer Center. It's the support of the members of

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of the Friends of the Apple House.

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Their dues, their time, their enthusiasm,

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and then generous contributions from donors

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and businesses here in Woodstock,

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that they all this happened,

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that ensures the meaningful programs like this continue.

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So next Thursday, 10 a.m., right here,

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join us as we celebrate creativity, community,

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and the joy of making the arts accessible to everyone.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you as always for your continued work.

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And thank you for having me.

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Other members of the club,

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which went forward at the board discussion.

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The next thing,

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there was unrelated business too,

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where you can imagine.

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I just wanted to think those

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that were planning to email about the details.

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And the answer,

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and it is a parenting of a coach saying the first

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And then also trees, the environmental commission, they were hoping to treat the trees in the

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transition area and I'd like to follow up on that account for the crossless area.

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I'm not aware of that, but I'll try to pass across the public, I'll live here again and

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We'll see that your comment on anything, and I can be mistaken, two years, it's not going to work into this.

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Thank you.

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Other members, politicians, don't forward, and we're full of discussion.

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We are going to hand in the city, and this is a flock statement. This includes decommissioning in the removal of 13 flock camera, flocked up in the AFR cameras, currently installed on every main road and out of town. Canceling the new, please sign content for a six, eight, eight, control, flock, comment, or coming towards zoom cameras that are installed now around this square. This is done within 120 days of installation. The city will, per a mail cancel, they should be, and that's 64,000 people are allowed to task their savings. We can't

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For canceling the contract, it's said to be reinvested in really, really community safety

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programs including housing, mental health care, drug treatment, and suicide prevention programs.

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If the city insists on failing our state for the opening time square, we demand the state

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final closer option for a regular, regular vendor at the proper due diligence in community

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input.

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We know these options exist and are reliable as they are already deployed at the Woodstock

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train station.

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When we were not 31 people, 31 voices to the February 3rd City Council meeting

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in Turbido, to a digital room out of flat, they were told you just missed us as a lot of

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voices in the room. You took away our voices when you said you elected us to represent you,

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we made decisions and we have to move on. As a new today, we are 1,926 voices telling you that we want

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plus 18 out of a second line. Since we've

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gathered more signatures on them, if you don't

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know, saying that number is over 2,000 miles. Of the 100, of the 100, the 900-joice

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signatures, 887 from people that call with stockpile. The people who live here, you're not

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on mass surveillance like this in their own town.

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Of the 1,926 signatures, 1,396 were from a Henry County,

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which I imagine on the court's visit for a town

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that drives a lot of its economic power from tourism.

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They did not want mass surveillance like this in Wolfsock.

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Of the 1,926 signatures, 768 were collected

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from people right here on Wolfsock Square.

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These are not hypothetical visitors. We didn't approach any of them. These are people in the square who saw her move and came over to talk to us.

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These 768 people do not want mass surveillance like this in Woodstock.

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Regarding scale of these numbers, I'd like to point out that they are determined in the garnered 1,650 votes, total in the last election,

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and that the yes voters on the council, Greg Tom and Bob each collected about a thousand votes.

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Those princes you are over your time, but a lot of you have read about it.

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I just need like 30 seconds.

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Anyway, we want to subdued by these statistics, represents significant chunk of voters

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who elected you to represent us.

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You're going to hear from your constituents again tonight, and this time I hope you listen

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because we will not be going anywhere until this type of massive balance is rooted from our time.

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Kent, Ohio, Bloomington, Indiana, Denver, and Los Angeles, Oak Park, and Evans, in Illinois,

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Lockhart, Texas, Green River, Wyoming, from small towns to major metropolitan areas, from

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Salem, Massachusetts to Salem, Illinois, in blue, purple, and red states. These are just

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a few of the over 100 municipalities that have canceled for rejecting contracts of

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block safety in the last couple of years, and this all of them, but I only have three minutes.

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Many of these municipalities canceled due to overwhelming public opposition to the technology.

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Who could have predicted that in an era of deep division,

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opposition to flat cameras and data centers otherwise known as unregulated tech companies

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taking advantage of communities would be the thing that's fine in the United

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Americans. People with every political meaning, hate, mass, violence, tech, it's not

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about being anti-loyal enforcement, but rather protecting our Fourth Amendment

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rights privacy and those two things have always been hell-intentioned in our

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democracy. We do have rights privacy even in public spaces like the Woodstock Square.

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To paraphrase Ohio State University history professor Dr. Vietnam Trin, we

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We have the right to not be pre-investigated by law enforcement and have details about

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our vehicles, phones, and physical characteristics, track and add-on to data bases without problem

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caused or warrant.

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Because less invasive and more affordable technology like CCTV exists, my request to you tonight

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is to not only cancel the city's contract with law safety, but to implement a full band

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a new one-stop, an ALPRs, and an environmental cameras from any vendor.

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Technology is outpace full of rally and our legislation.

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Companies like Flock has slip marketing materials and sales teams

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whose job it is to persuade you to buy it.

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I want you to know that it's okay to reconsider

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and acknowledge that this company sold you a technology

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that doesn't serve our community.

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To me, it's actually a sign of both courage and strength

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the character to take in new information, feedback, and change your mind. I urge you to do that

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today and get these cameras off our square and out of our community. Thank you.

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We keep our local elected officials, department hats, and our family safe.

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We would operate no differently than how the government

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current monitors over their citizens using automated license,

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like they are some farm cameras.

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How the buy is, you deploy high-resolution cameras,

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a act out of a tribunal monitor, everywhere around the official bill, will all read you

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so.

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Which, after using this, will church you attend?

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Who, you mean for lunch?

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The exact second you go into your driveway night.

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We'll store it all in a centralized searchable diagnosis.

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If you have an appropriate name for us, you have a month in worry about, right?

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After all, it's all the names that you need to tell a building.

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And that idea makes you some, churn, it should.

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That's good.

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But because what makes it unsettling isn't the novelty of the technology, is the total

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dismantling of our concept,

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we have warmly straggnosed surveillance, therefore the members

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are going rid of it.

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We're in a general warrants way, the practice of searching everyone in hopes of finding someone

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guilty, tracking thousands of innocent murderists to 24-7 without reasonable suspicion, or

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a problem we call as a chance to presumed innocence on a tent.

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Then, the multi-hand effect, taking a single car and a bulk of road 19 armless and isolation,

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but aggregating weeks of months of location data and some intimate purchase of someone's

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private life, political associations, medical appointments, daily routines, and their private

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data retention risks, something I'm intimately familiar with for 20 months years in the 19th

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year, handling millions of location records all over the place on the track to target,

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unauthorized

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crossroads they should share in, surveillance group that mean to pop it over site,

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or strict, spiritual guidelines.

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When you track every move under the pre-citizen going about the real life,

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you are essentially riding public safety.

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They are building an infrastructure suspicion.

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They are treating them in residence,

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who drives down roads or walks down.

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As if they are a suspect, hold back. The truth is, I'd never build a public item, duh, probably. I would, because it's fundamentally wrong. Just like what you've done to the square with luck is wrong. Thank you.

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I've been doing this talk for 17 years. I'm not for my parents in place. I do not expect to speak today. I don't know if I can prepare, but I do have to say that I had better felt in any way.

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anyway, as if my town represents a place that is not safe.

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I've raised my children in the square,

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it has been a safer ground for me,

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that has been a place that has brought so much peace

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and joy to me and is a strip of a very notion

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that for some reason, I can see the statistics

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that this particular square, this particular town

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needs surveillance in this manner, I would like to see

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I really have appreciated some of that before it all went in.

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How many thousands of dollars did you say?

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You've heard a million, they're 25,000 people.

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10 times that was probably spent just for that.

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And where is this money actually going to benefit us

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in one space and into one end?

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Is this giving our community a better feeling?

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Is it giving us a good stop feeling?

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Is it giving us a better, I don't feel safer

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or because of it, I can tell you, I'm a person who, free-flowing,

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people, I don't even feel like high-medicals

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unsafe in this town.

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So maybe there are some spots that need some help.

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I'm not the guest there, but I'm amongst all the other things

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that are being said in a way that this is presented.

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I think it's terrible.

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The

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people, the institute, the will, lots of people.

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Not to shake wood, stop recording pure winds.

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Not to ignore your constituents.

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you are public servants. You are more of all of the learnings and when you fall on the

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spending tax pair money on a system that is improving time and time again to be right

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from its use. You have brazenly put the lives and privacy of those citizens in danger

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to obstinately all of their own ideals for its state of wood stock.

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You are allowing every resident, every visitor, to be treated as a controlled criminal.

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You are also personally subjected to having criminal actions possibly taken against them, selling your citizens' lives and privacy

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for the illusion of safety.

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Partnering with the company in the time of many of the other customers are opening their eyes and drumming shit.

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If you want to show true strength, you will admit you are wrong and cancel this contract with block before you possibly end up in a paper like holiday bills did.

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As a founder, Ben Franklin, wisely stated, those who would give up essential liberty to

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purchase a little temporary safety, there's a reminder of liberty or safety.

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I hope you provided that up to admit your mistake and rectify your actions.

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Thank you for your time.

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Now the constituents of my kids do go to his back schools, and it makes me sick to think

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of my children being seen by these black cameras. Because I don't live in woodstock itself, and

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Crystal Lake is not that much further. I will tell you I have really avoided coming to woodstock

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for tourism. Crystal Lake is honestly just as nice. So why do I come to the office with black cameras

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in their square. Thank you.

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Aye, aye, nay, nay, nay, nay, nay, nay, nay, nay.

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still have faith in this democratic institution,

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faith in this pencil, faith in this narrow law

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that's entrusted pretty to the least.

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But we got, or it, what we call anti-government,

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anti-hot radicals by the police team in emails received

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from a oil request.

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We seek to you when our trust eroded.

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We cannot trust the government

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going to expand its cattle to the sake of control like this.

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I cannot trust the government

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and work air to free its citizens as criminals until proven otherwise by surveilling the innocent and guilty of life enough orange.

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Now, of course, government surveillance is not a new practice, a new employee can fend you with AI.

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America has a long history of treating its black and queer populations as criminals before humans.

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What they got for an act was what Latino talked about, or at least,

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talks breathing down their neck and what happens to them now that we're all

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treated as second-class citizens. Well, Latinos are in track of the street

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and dealing with constant tracing and speed of trial, because block has previously

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partnered with ICE and let them access the location they are of every Hispanic

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encouraging the country they could fight, violating Illinois law, and the way

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our attorney general had to punish them for it. The plus fortunate in us will

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not have the privilege to be made second-class citizens, they already are. What they

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will be treated as is gone. The people of Whitsock and the United States only

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have sand to lose. Human life I've looked like to know where I am at every set. No one

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us. We will not live treated as criminals without warrants or trial because we want to exist in a public

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space. America is founded and made country free ideas and made competing visions of the one

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consistent thing. All Hillary America is meant to stand over. He said he democratically free. We will

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You might be ruled without the consent and faith of the gun, and the government must justify its intervention into our lives.

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Those are the bounding principles on American liberalism.

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As inspired by John Locke, you heard the people's voice when I was here months ago.

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Turner, and you didn't care.

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You told us you were a libertarian, a heart and then you, your counsel and your cops decided you needed more control.

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This council is up for re-election in two months.

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Thankfully, the ones up for re-election that we can keep in here are the ones who voted to keep law out.

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There are more than that.

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So you are over your time, so I'll pass you that.

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I'll pass you that.

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Single paragraph.

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Okay.

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Take title petition as a vote of confidence that you had your change and you lost our trust to protect us or rights.

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and our dignity as Americans and people of what's on it you say and that's

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those in power about over you saying with me and telling the cops and your

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government no people hate this fascist trash tell every over you know what

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her and his company's did to it this is a lot of people we know a lot more this

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ways of election loose in December of night signing off not

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from what's not

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from the area but I did drive an hour to attend here tonight to hear what many who have just

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spoken about mass surveillance were received by this distinguished board. I just want to let you

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know as a tourist and some of the business with many woodstock businesses consider the fact that all

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this negative publicity which by the way since I'm here is no longer within the walls of woodstock

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or even a 10-reconvening.

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We'll start to affect how dollars are spent, we'll start to affect how people do business here. I love this job, I love Brown and Hawkeye. I love all of the things that we're starting to focus on. But myself, my business, I'm not going to do business with a board and a city and village that is greater than that.

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a few of us did not represent the city, we understood a lot, we had gathered signatures,

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we've seen the signatures in one of the small form, I think you've seen in another recently.

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each one of these here represents one signature and if you look around here

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these are people who signed that petition and here in these buckets are more please

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I

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saw for you pink, I

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was starting to want you

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didn't update the flexes and her vehicle was flagged, she was pulled over on my way

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I just buy our cars, guns, junk, okay?

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There are instances of all of this country

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of similar things happening.

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There are some women who have actually gone to jail for weeks

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so they can clear off the fact that it's a false work

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that could happen there.

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We have seen women and it seems to happen to women a lot.

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We have seen women being stopped.

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We have seen all kinds of temptations that some lift opposition will still come to.

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It's a problem.

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And my thing is, if you think it's not that you have been here, you're being naive.

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Not to mention, so far, that you want to shut down even more deep,

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because the woman immediately stood still and shut.

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But had she moved in most of this office to be turned up as a make-different Russian moving towards them?

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We would have somebody dead because of the black camera.

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And it is a matter of time before the happens.

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And I'm not getting to my mouth, I'm telling you this is a warning sign of what's to come.

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And the other thing I'm going to say is that with these cameras, a lot of argument, a lot of people argue,

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Well, if you're not doing anything wrong, just have no problem with it.

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Well, I wanted to quote Edward Snowden, saying that is the same.

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You have no issues with losing your first moment, right?

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Because you have nothing to say.

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You've all sold in a photo of the citizens.

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All right. All right. All right. All right.

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there, and it's been there for 13 years. There was a break prior to that, and I had another

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shop called Perk Relation, and it was over on Menon. So, over time, I had 30 years to observe

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in Woodstock Square, to be aware of most of the crying activity that might be there. It's

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not totally complete of that, but it's been very rare. Because of the shops that I own,

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and

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I do views, glass, and these kilns.

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I come and go from a shop all times

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at the 24-hour Central Act of this meeting.

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I'll be going back to check on the kiln.

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So I'm on the square a lot.

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And I'm a citizen for a long time.

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And one of the people that put some of you

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behind those tables.

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The most operative and diseninstration

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in most of this console is to be little,

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the people that show up, and I don't mean verbally.

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And if there were not a meeting,

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Councilman Seeker said the people that were there

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that night against that subdivision

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were the only people against it.

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Is if they were the iceberg,

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when they were actually the tip of the iceberg.

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It happened again in February, and you were simply asked

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to reconsider this to take part or to not vote yet.

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The people there wanted you to do that,

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that were somehow the only people that felt that way.

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That people here tonight are not anti police.

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They're not anti surveillance, they're not anti safety.

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They're pro police, they're pro safety,

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and they're pro pro surveillance, a close circuit system.

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Which many say that

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one that was often heard earlier

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mentioned maybe five percent of the cities

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she could rally off.

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Most of them, many of them are gone to the closed-circuit system and when they drop the flock,

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subscription, the contract, or didn't renew or cancel them in some cases, we didn't contract.

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The people here tonight are pro police. Pro police are they once done, property, pro safety.

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We are not the eyes for each of us knows two, three, four or nine people. Each time those numbers

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which you were given, which is a petition that we're going beyond today.

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We're the 10th of the iceberg.

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We're going to put you there, and you should listen to what we have to say.

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That it's not in your track record.

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I talk to these meetings on my own choice.

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Some people ask me to come.

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And every time I leave, not leave, I feel nobody is listening.

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And to make statements that indicate they're all new people here.

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They're the only people speaking out in the matter of speaking out.

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It is a truth. We have not the iceberg. We are going to take the iceberg and place this to it. Thank you.

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I've lived in Woodstock for a lot of years. I've lived in County County for 20. I am a software engineer.

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Well, I have this paper. It's a blog post. It is dated June 10th, 2021.

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on. It is a proxy, if you want to post. This is the date in which they announced their

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first transparency portal. And find it interesting that it was stocked and on their, our transparency

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portal in so Friday.

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I would like to also emphasize that it is too little too late. The transparency

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people are like kind of quitting it too late.

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Our fourth amendment got laid off

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in the transparency portal is like,

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an Amazon gift card for a $100 reference.

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We have to admit that a lot of support

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has actually grown since the city announced

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the transparency portal.

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So thank you for the awareness I'm talking about it.

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I would like to say, please do the right thing

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and stop clock. We will respect you if you...

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I would also say to everyone here, there are two local elections to pay attention to. As someone mentioned, three people that voted against block will be on the screen. So pay attention. It's very important to vote in local elections.

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My observation, I was raised in McKenna County, I was raised in, you know, the Devil's County, also known as Go Coming.

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So, I would say, my observations that local politics does run on an apathy, so it's very important that we do show up.

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Take a look at the numbers in the last election that were very small.

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The other day's human mind is the spring of 2029 and what the rest of this group will be up for production.

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So one really big thing is the planters in front of the metro station look awesome.

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So whoever to that, thanks again.

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Thank you everyone.

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Thank you very much.

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Thank you for listening and responding tonight.

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That's something that I appreciate it.

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It's not flogging itself.

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I am what was thought president.

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I am closely real here, moved away for a few years,

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and then came back to discover my town

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was being taken over by a massacre list.

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And I have a few things that I would like to say.

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I agree with everything that everyone else has said.

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I want to thank you first and foremost

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for being here and listening to us.

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And I also want to remind the council

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and the police department that we are not anti-police.

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We actually believe in them doing their work and doing a good job.

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We are just anti-master defense in the context when it comes to flocking a lot of

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flock technology or flock light technology.

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I'd also like to remind the city council that companies such as founders,

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Flund and Axel have invested in flock safety and have connections with Deputy Epstein.

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I also like to remind the council of the story of Dunwoody, California, for, sorry, Dunwoody, Georgia,

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where Black use life footage from the children's gymnasium as a sales terminal without their consent.

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Black then scrub the audit data that show that the access these cameras.

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You may have worked really hard on this contract to keep our data our data.

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However, I don't believe that the reports we've heard from around the country showed to be trust,

458
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show them to be trustworthy or safe.

459
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:11,000
Stop pumping the stuff.

460
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:11,800
Also

461
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:33,660
the stuff I'm gonna start.

462
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:38,620
My call to start my home for 30 years is at this

463
00:48:38,620 --> 00:48:45,980
in my home, my brother, and I know this is the very one,

464
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:47,920
one of the first is actually hearing is that

465
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:52,160
we don't have a reasonable expectation of the privacy

466
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:52,840
in the world,

467
00:48:56,610 --> 00:49:00,110
the phrase that we don't have

468
00:49:00,110 --> 00:49:02,370
a reasonable expectation of the privacy in the world.

469
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:18,260
But the Supreme Court has a rule on cases that have established

470
00:49:18,260 --> 00:49:21,820
a GPS tracking and phone location tracking

471
00:49:21,820 --> 00:49:24,260
count as searches on it at the bottom of the map.

472
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:28,280
One such case is part of the VD United States,

473
00:49:29,460 --> 00:49:31,680
in which the court ruled that law enforcement

474
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:36,180
requires a warrant to access historical stuff from location data

475
00:49:36,180 --> 00:49:40,140
and do some of the out of warrant and constitutes a fourth amendment violation

476
00:49:40,140 --> 00:49:46,420
because individuals have a reasonable expectation of privacy in the whole of their physical movements.

477
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:53,260
The whole of their physical movements in the part of the Carthage Center society,

478
00:49:53,260 --> 00:49:56,100
We live in as Americans, if you want us to stay at you,

479
00:49:56,680 --> 00:49:59,400
Paul's having the choice, let's use the roads to be too far.

480
00:50:01,820 --> 00:50:10,300
I have to use the road, use the road, which is five hours past all. And as far as surveillance

481
00:50:10,300 --> 00:50:18,100
network, it sits around 130,000, possibly 8,000 readers, currently. So, around the morning,

482
00:50:18,540 --> 00:50:21,920
we're allowed force content essentially, track your requirements anywhere in the country.

483
00:50:24,340 --> 00:50:30,280
The world's analogy is constantly changing, and while technology advances, better

484
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:34,560
We're ever increasing speed to the course of the penalty line behind.

485
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:37,760
With the country group, we've been coming to where,

486
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:39,580
at the more aware of all these channels,

487
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:42,540
I've almost guaranteed that this issue of whether,

488
00:50:42,980 --> 00:50:43,980
whether it wasn't for me,

489
00:50:44,300 --> 00:50:45,500
when we're here to try live before the moment,

490
00:50:46,020 --> 00:50:47,560
will end up at the speed improvement.

491
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:51,300
So, if you do that, especially if you want to take a gamble,

492
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:54,700
with the cameras that you spent on our test, that was on today,

493
00:50:55,340 --> 00:50:57,360
then almost a quarter of a million of today

494
00:50:57,360 --> 00:51:00,400
in one of five years on a chance that they

495
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:02,660
further the climate complot sometime in the future.

496
00:51:03,980 --> 00:51:07,560
But that 41-12-12 cloud clause section in the contract

497
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:10,320
that you specifically put in for this kind of scenario,

498
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:13,400
as well as that kind of problem.

499
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:19,460
As you can see, there's a sense of this issue

500
00:51:19,460 --> 00:51:24,020
and to vote for the chances of these contracts

501
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:16,740
You

502
00:52:18,860 --> 00:52:23,260
see a country that left places like China because of their mass surveillance.

503
00:52:24,020 --> 00:52:25,200
How would they let that happen?

504
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:27,880
How would people let their government watch their remote?

505
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:34,080
This is how we get there.

506
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:37,820
This is how we get to be a country that we can work on

507
00:52:43,070 --> 00:52:44,350
and run our mass surveillance.

508
00:52:44,530 --> 00:52:45,710
This is how we build our freedoms.

509
00:52:45,910 --> 00:52:46,810
This is how freedom dies.

510
00:52:48,250 --> 00:52:50,030
One step at a time.

511
00:52:51,570 --> 00:52:56,430
You might maybe like the pre-industration, maybe you didn't like, maybe you're not getting

512
00:52:56,430 --> 00:52:57,390
like the last one.

513
00:52:57,750 --> 00:53:01,450
But you're going to have a bottle at some point that you don't like.

514
00:53:02,370 --> 00:53:07,950
And do you want them, knowing where you are, all the time?

515
00:53:09,910 --> 00:53:10,550
Have issues.

516
00:53:11,190 --> 00:53:14,850
If you don't want them, you can't afford your Michigan to buy me.

517
00:53:15,590 --> 00:53:18,610
And then the Indiana cops use luck.

518
00:53:18,610 --> 00:53:22,070
track them and rest them for buying legal care business,

519
00:53:22,330 --> 00:53:23,550
they can cross and save lives.

520
00:53:23,810 --> 00:53:26,910
We have had people be arrested in states like Texas,

521
00:53:27,390 --> 00:53:30,270
because they come to other states to get abortions,

522
00:53:30,510 --> 00:53:33,510
and then they go back home and they get arrested for it.

523
00:53:34,570 --> 00:53:36,470
This is mass surveillance.

524
00:53:36,970 --> 00:53:38,910
I don't want to precedent to be leveled.

525
00:53:40,370 --> 00:53:42,910
And Mrs. Quodal, I'm trying to hold you in the sand,

526
00:53:43,050 --> 00:53:45,190
dress apart just because you couldn't stop

527
00:53:45,190 --> 00:53:46,250
without any shit.

528
00:53:48,010 --> 00:53:48,450
This

529
00:53:55,390 --> 00:53:56,730
is your opt-in type of moment.

530
00:53:57,390 --> 00:54:01,550
When he was building a biology book he said maybe we just spread the world, maybe we've done it.

531
00:54:01,970 --> 00:54:06,810
They created the thing, they did it and they didn't think about what they were doing until after it happened.

532
00:54:07,590 --> 00:54:11,470
You have the opportunity now to look at this technology.

533
00:54:12,130 --> 00:54:14,750
We have all placed ourselves with what we have built.

534
00:54:15,150 --> 00:54:17,970
We do not understand the ramifications yet.

535
00:54:17,970 --> 00:54:24,830
only later on really when we have 2029 sites when we're all being watched by the

536
00:54:24,830 --> 00:54:26,950
dialogue we've all been watched by. The

537
00:54:29,290 --> 00:54:31,910
systems are not safe, they're made by humans, they're

538
00:54:31,910 --> 00:54:38,210
fellow. Who's the state of some hurt or can't access the cameras and watch the kids and

539
00:54:38,210 --> 00:54:40,130
follow them and track them?

540
00:54:43,100 --> 00:54:43,800
It will happen.

541
00:54:46,380 --> 00:54:48,740
It hurts you to get out of this contract.

542
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:52,020
It is

543
00:54:52,020 --> 00:54:54,680
That's not some unstatement or result when

544
00:54:57,600 --> 00:54:59,540
that was for real, when that was China.

545
00:55:08,410 --> 00:55:09,110
We

546
00:55:54,550 --> 00:56:16,270
were all cast aside that we were not the main voices of this town. We did not represent the majority. Well, please look at this room. We are the majority. But we are the majority in this country. This is an issue, despite the fractures system.

547
00:56:16,270 --> 00:56:24,110
that we have. From right to left and everywhere in between, we all agree. We don't want the

548
00:56:24,110 --> 00:56:32,830
government and our God damn business. We don't want you to find us. We don't want this system.

549
00:56:33,350 --> 00:56:41,030
Here or outside, we've had position sign and then speak since I'm earlier. We're going to keep being

550
00:56:41,030 --> 00:56:49,430
side. Okay, this is not going away. We're staying here so the cameras are gone. And I'm

551
00:56:49,430 --> 00:56:56,210
so you understand that our voices are not going to grow silent. They're going to get stronger

552
00:56:56,870 --> 00:57:04,530
and stronger until you understand that this is the majority of people.

553
00:57:06,770 --> 00:57:11,010
The reason why I keep

554
00:57:11,010 --> 00:57:19,350
I love you. Don't dismiss it again. This is the norm. And don't keep becoming the norm.

555
00:57:20,910 --> 00:57:25,730
And that's really all I have to say. Jesus is in His people. They're good people.

556
00:57:26,410 --> 00:57:30,870
And I really get to keep coming until you actually listen to them. Thank you.

557
00:57:55,610 --> 00:58:02,390
What's actually has always, always, has been so much safer. Growing up where I was a trans man,

558
00:58:02,390 --> 00:58:07,650
All this stuff is if somebody is looking over rational, waiting to harm me.

559
00:58:08,190 --> 00:58:10,430
This is what we are doing to this community.

560
00:58:10,890 --> 00:58:15,070
You are making me feel as though there's somebody continuously looking over rational,

561
00:58:15,290 --> 00:58:16,730
waiting to do anything,

562
00:58:18,830 --> 00:58:21,770
wanting to come up here, to speak with the other people,

563
00:58:22,010 --> 00:58:24,130
specifically the other queer people.

564
00:58:24,630 --> 00:58:26,670
This is not making this community safe.

565
00:58:27,090 --> 00:58:28,110
It is bringing fear.

566
00:58:28,870 --> 00:58:34,750
I want to give you a question, not to answer, to mean, to the rest of the people that you're

567
00:58:34,750 --> 00:58:36,210
breathing and searching for.

568
00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:41,460
Do you feel like a big man is taking away the rights of the people

569
00:59:10,260 --> 00:59:11,000
that you stand in your

570
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:11,300
history?

571
00:59:11,980 --> 00:59:16,380
For those of you who know this town will know what that means, I live directly on the Woodstock

572
00:59:16,380 --> 00:59:16,800
Square.

573
00:59:17,540 --> 00:59:21,040
My contour is directly between down to earth and animate.

574
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:24,220
To something I've always loved.

575
00:59:24,460 --> 00:59:28,640
To be right in the heart of your city, to walk outside and be in the middle of a car show

576
00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:34,560
or a movie night or a concert, but this makes it something that I no longer want to live there.

577
00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:40,760
I shouldn't feel observed every time I leave my home. I shouldn't feel like my movements are being

578
00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:46,340
tracked every time I go get groceries or to pick up a late night boardache. Yes, the squares

579
00:59:46,340 --> 00:59:52,060
above the place, but it is also my home, and it is nobody's business when I am and I'm not there,

580
00:59:52,300 --> 00:59:57,580
or who I decide to have over. How would you feel if somebody had a security camera pointed

581
00:59:57,580 --> 00:59:59,820
And directly, I go from the door that cuts.

582
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:02,780
Thank you, thank you, thank you.

583
01:00:19,820 --> 01:00:45,720
We will see you through the clock cameras installed in our talk. In February, we may return to stated that he, quote, did not want 24-7 drones surveillance on, quote, of the square, is that, that, look, that, that is the exact future that he has created for every resident of Woodstock, when casting a tie-breaking vote to the board of the clock system. Council, you sat there and listened to your constituents' concerns, passed 1 a.m. that night. I'm sure you were wondering.

584
01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:52,000
We had our case of your protections cast aside and City on the private CCTV options were neglected.

585
01:00:52,580 --> 01:01:00,060
If you're unwilling to remove the fly cameras, our request at the very least, City Council should amend its recently released police dental order.

586
01:01:00,700 --> 01:01:10,640
Further, the Woodstock Police Department General Order number 30-007 on page 7 under item F2B and F2C.

587
01:01:10,640 --> 01:01:14,760
the policy states, quote, the period of time for retention

588
01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:17,560
for meetings and square security camera data,

589
01:01:17,980 --> 01:01:20,020
that are not part of the ongoing investigations,

590
01:01:20,380 --> 01:01:23,580
shall we 30 days, and the time period of the retention

591
01:01:23,580 --> 01:01:26,780
of hits, shall we 30 days, unquote.

592
01:01:27,580 --> 01:01:30,120
Flux latest privacy update on 813,

593
01:01:30,620 --> 01:01:32,540
states of the company now recommend

594
01:01:32,540 --> 01:01:35,920
a seven-day default data retention period,

595
01:01:36,100 --> 01:01:38,880
instead of the 30-day period previously recommended.

596
01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:42,360
I request that this policy, if we review it in alter,

597
01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:44,440
as it's played an invasion of our plans,

598
01:01:44,440 --> 01:01:46,200
we should have had a minimum reset

599
01:01:46,200 --> 01:01:48,460
to the lowest time period possible.

600
01:01:49,420 --> 01:01:51,240
Municipalities in the world and the United States

601
01:01:51,240 --> 01:01:52,500
have been making up the desires

602
01:01:52,500 --> 01:01:54,780
of its constituents, and you should do the same.

603
01:01:55,200 --> 01:01:58,300
Regardless of policies set on how the law enforcement agents

604
01:01:58,300 --> 01:02:01,920
are properly used, the systems of uses do happen.

605
01:02:02,560 --> 01:02:04,660
Dozens of cases have a marriage nationwide

606
01:02:04,660 --> 01:02:06,260
of the law enforcement personnel

607
01:02:06,260 --> 01:02:08,520
of use of their access to block networks,

608
01:02:08,520 --> 01:02:10,620
looks to stock, moderate, and track-romantic

609
01:02:10,620 --> 01:02:12,580
partners, exodus, and civilians.

610
01:02:13,420 --> 01:02:18,640
Internally, police analyses in California revealed 71% of

611
01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:22,060
automated license plate alerts were contained misread

612
01:02:22,060 --> 01:02:25,180
characters in Wisconsin and several other states.

613
01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:28,460
Innocent occupants are out of gun points due to these

614
01:02:28,460 --> 01:02:28,720
errors.

615
01:02:30,540 --> 01:02:33,780
More and more of these cases of misidentifications are

616
01:02:33,780 --> 01:02:36,920
current every month, and posted police policies can only

617
01:02:36,920 --> 01:02:41,920
protected individuals so much in the heat of the moment. Thank you for your time and I hope

618
01:02:41,920 --> 01:02:44,440
that we consider what is truly important to be able to accept.

619
01:02:55,980 --> 01:03:02,540
Well, my name is Anis Valera and I live in a 4-in-7 western street. I've lived in

620
01:03:02,540 --> 01:03:09,780
Woodstock for five years around that and have yet to witness any major crimes that

621
01:03:09,780 --> 01:03:16,100
these flat carers are supposedly supervising as far as I know. And I want to keep in

622
01:03:16,100 --> 01:03:23,620
mind. I'm a teenager and I'm speaking out of this. I have no voice. And I'm still speaking

623
01:03:23,620 --> 01:03:32,300
out of this because I know it's not right. Instead of sending these citizens taxes on these

624
01:03:32,300 --> 01:03:40,440
block cameras, many users are money to protect schools. Every day, when I walk into my school,

625
01:03:40,440 --> 01:03:44,620
I fear the sound of a shot, of a shot from a gun.

626
01:03:45,900 --> 01:03:57,540
The safety loss of these carers, but I haven't heard anything against guns in schools for a while.

627
01:03:59,740 --> 01:04:10,480
Regarding these things, again, I don't want to live in a town where cameras are watching me spend time in my everyday life as a teenager.

628
01:04:11,300 --> 01:04:17,660
And we will continue to speak and protest and be as loud as we can so we are truly safe.

629
01:04:17,860 --> 01:04:24,620
And I'm going to be back and seek on behalf of every single person including teenagers in this room

630
01:04:24,620 --> 01:04:28,520
that we are fed up with being spy on by these cameras.

631
01:04:30,680 --> 01:04:39,260
So if you want your citizens to feel safe, then stop playing these goddamn cameras, spy on our everyday life.

632
01:04:40,360 --> 01:04:41,240
Thank you.

633
01:04:57,710 --> 01:04:58,430
Thank you.

634
01:04:58,670 --> 01:04:59,970
I like the sign of hope.

635
01:05:38,100 --> 01:06:01,640
If all of us here tonight cannot appeal to your sense of morality, Jesus Christ, listen to these people, I hope we can, at least, little kilter sense of tourism. Nobody is going to want to come into this town. Nobody will want to come to swear. If they can't be there, without six cameras on them, they can end to the town without being flied by one or two.

636
01:06:01,640 --> 01:06:02,560
I've

637
01:06:22,560 --> 01:06:29,240
been spending the same flight, I'm fucking happy, and I've been seeing every day people

638
01:06:29,240 --> 01:06:29,960
are saying it tonight.

639
01:06:30,200 --> 01:06:35,640
I don't see much more to add, except that I would just like to say, I don't know what it's

640
01:06:35,640 --> 01:06:40,740
really going to do to you, but I want to add a point that's about many times already,

641
01:06:41,260 --> 01:06:47,660
your power, your position on this council always says, because we'll meet on the people.

642
01:06:52,630 --> 01:06:56,650
You've seen the count of people who have signed the petition.

643
01:06:57,350 --> 01:07:02,690
There has been this reason I hope it should have been enough to show that there is genuine

644
01:07:03,390 --> 01:07:06,030
there's no attraction behind this idea.

645
01:07:06,270 --> 01:07:15,570
There's no friend's side of the line, radical idea that we don't want mass surveillance in our communities.

646
01:07:15,570 --> 01:07:23,430
You should understand about every signature there was so many more who hadn't heard of this

647
01:07:23,430 --> 01:07:27,030
petition, who haven't been able to make it here today.

648
01:07:27,890 --> 01:07:34,590
Block cameras are not safety, they are a violation of the privacy we as human beings deserve.

649
01:07:35,430 --> 01:07:40,910
I hope you will leave it in your position on the map, if not even for the sake of the community,

650
01:07:40,910 --> 01:07:48,950
You are supposed to be representing for the sake of your own sway in that community. Thank you. I hope you have your attention.

651
01:07:49,470 --> 01:07:49,770
I'm

652
01:08:03,600 --> 01:08:04,940
working on my own very little.

653
01:08:06,140 --> 01:08:12,340
I don't have anything as impactful as what we are going to talk to you. I don't tell you that.

654
01:08:12,900 --> 01:08:15,280
Regardless of what happens tonight or the day after.

655
01:08:15,280 --> 01:08:42,580
After I moved out of the museum with some square of their cameras and I just called my friends, my family, my teachers at the college, I went to my classmates, and even when I straight up they sent my friendly semi-level conversation with about these cameras, about the time when we came to and we talked to you for a very long time, and maybe you listen maybe you didn't will see, but this leads this goes everywhere. I brought the only person who will be doing this.

656
01:08:43,280 --> 01:08:49,460
Your policy points is, sorry, your actions have policy points, even if you can't see them yet.

657
01:08:49,920 --> 01:08:50,420
Thank you.

658
01:09:09,100 --> 01:09:09,960
Thank you very much to the council.

659
01:09:10,780 --> 01:09:13,860
I was not planning on speaking tonight, but I just call this a class stop.

660
01:09:14,320 --> 01:09:18,240
I believe it was like for, or for 20 years then.

661
01:09:19,160 --> 01:09:26,700
And during that time, I've been fairly active with the other community, both in Riverside and across the county.

662
01:09:28,260 --> 01:09:35,400
and I'm going to be honest with you, I wasn't planning on speaking because I don't know what to do with my concern.

663
01:09:37,080 --> 01:09:43,440
I've had opportunities, I've engaged with Hispanic connections, I have enjoyed it.

664
01:09:45,370 --> 01:09:50,470
The Mexican Independence Day celebration that happens on the Woodstock Square every year that I've been here.

665
01:09:50,470 --> 01:09:57,550
And there's a party that says, I have a raise at the moment to tell any immigrant that comes

666
01:09:57,550 --> 01:09:59,670
on September 13th.

667
01:10:02,260 --> 01:10:03,480
Our six hearing

668
01:10:14,450 --> 01:10:22,350
documents are undocumented, flocks got you. Thank you. That's my concern, because I

669
01:10:22,350 --> 01:10:29,930
love Mexican independence day, but I will not be a part of any of my immigrant brothers

670
01:10:29,930 --> 01:10:40,650
and sisters getting snacked on September 14th because they came and were sold up by

671
01:11:26,770 --> 01:11:32,230
We decided to buy our own woodstock so that we can walk into the square so that we can have our

672
01:11:35,300 --> 01:11:37,140
whole place that not everyone does.

673
01:11:37,420 --> 01:11:44,880
Everyone has a walkable beautiful city square that you can go and enjoy the businesses down here and get lunch.

674
01:11:47,140 --> 01:11:48,720
And now that's not a place I want to go.

675
01:11:48,720 --> 01:11:54,780
I worked in Ikea for over 10 years and predominantly in cloud storage and

676
01:11:54,780 --> 01:11:59,780
governments and I can tell you just with the way that cloud handles itself and

677
01:11:59,780 --> 01:12:06,240
the problem that it's in this would not ask muster with end corporation. I have

678
01:12:06,240 --> 01:12:12,140
seen contracts get canceled even with the data that I handled for my current

679
01:12:12,140 --> 01:12:17,780
job and knowledge management is very, you know, non-specialized, non-sensited data

680
01:12:17,780 --> 01:12:22,880
and we are not allowed to share it outside the company with anyone for any reason.

681
01:12:23,500 --> 01:12:27,680
With Flock, it is creating a pattern of life that is going to be able to be

682
01:12:28,660 --> 01:12:34,320
to be accessed by people who are outside of our law.

683
01:12:34,440 --> 01:12:38,140
I trust the Woodstock Police Department. That doesn't mean I trust other police departments.

684
01:12:38,340 --> 01:12:41,820
That doesn't mean we know how other police firms conduct themselves,

685
01:12:42,140 --> 01:12:49,120
how rigorous they are with their data, and if we can't trust that we should not be able to give them access

686
01:12:49,120 --> 01:12:50,560
us on a feather to every

687
01:12:52,840 --> 01:12:57,400
people here in need of a wonderful argument that we have amazing

688
01:12:57,400 --> 01:13:02,320
get out of jail free card which is that we can cancel this black contract, stop free,

689
01:13:02,580 --> 01:13:08,880
and have CCTV footage and then we know we can trust our government with our privacy

690
01:13:08,880 --> 01:13:14,640
and not have a pattern of life created with a private company that we can't trust.

691
01:13:15,080 --> 01:13:21,020
The black CEO has called people for against black terrorists and it's only been on the last

692
01:13:21,020 --> 01:13:23,020
a couple of weeks that he's really started to walk back

693
01:13:23,020 --> 01:13:26,780
those statements and say, maybe we made some bad decisions.

694
01:13:27,320 --> 01:13:29,020
Maybe not everything is perfect.

695
01:13:29,940 --> 01:13:32,040
And I think they're doing that because they're on their

696
01:13:32,040 --> 01:13:32,540
back foot.

697
01:13:32,880 --> 01:13:34,240
They know there are problems and they're

698
01:13:34,240 --> 01:13:35,240
going to be a lot more.

699
01:13:35,760 --> 01:13:39,220
Let's take this opportunity to cancel our block contract.

700
01:13:39,900 --> 01:13:42,840
And to have this DCT footage that is going to make everyone

701
01:13:42,840 --> 01:13:47,220
feel safer, we still get the security of the police

702
01:13:47,220 --> 01:13:48,800
to permit ones, not the city ones.

703
01:13:48,800 --> 01:13:52,980
and needed to feel safe not having this footage in a private company's hands.

704
01:13:53,420 --> 01:13:54,520
Thank you very much.

705
01:14:17,320 --> 01:14:20,240
I wanted to be the only business owner that stood up.

706
01:14:21,860 --> 01:14:26,560
Yeah, reverse your decision, taking the casket on the owner of Pempscot Farms.

707
01:14:27,280 --> 01:14:32,180
And when we move in, I drive my sign as a business owner,

708
01:14:32,500 --> 01:14:36,720
that is being legislated out of business as a member of Fort Deed.

709
01:14:36,720 --> 01:14:44,160
I thought this statement from Benjamin Franklin, which has already been shared tonight, so I won't say it again.

710
01:14:47,480 --> 01:14:53,020
We're always looking for more safety, for more safety, for more safety.

711
01:14:53,460 --> 01:14:59,720
And I think we've heard it loud and clear tonight that we're not seeking that.

712
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:20,760
We're not asking, we're not, we're not so fearful that we need to have these cameras. So I'm a business owner. I don't want these cameras in my community either. And I just want to community to know that there are a lot of businesses in this community that don't want this either. Thank you.

713
01:15:34,600 --> 01:15:40,680
I'm a business owner at the square. I know a couple of you personally and I felt it was important to add to that.

714
01:15:40,820 --> 01:15:48,180
No, that business owners and what stuff don't want us. I'm a young business owner. I only shop with my partner really.

715
01:15:49,200 --> 01:15:52,480
It's pretty cute. We live in what stuff. Just off the square.

716
01:15:52,480 --> 01:15:55,100
and we're

717
01:15:58,260 --> 01:16:05,500
business owners, we're doing business in Whistak, we know how hard it is to get people to come spend money in Whistak.

718
01:16:05,820 --> 01:16:16,100
A lot of efforts being done with the real Whistak Instagram account and I know that business owners on the Square aren't seeing that pay off yet.

719
01:16:16,600 --> 01:16:20,940
And hearing people come here tonight and say they're not going to come spend money on the Square.

720
01:16:22,460 --> 01:16:27,880
You know, it's not great for most of us like starting our careers as business owners on the square.

721
01:16:28,900 --> 01:16:38,380
So I hope you think about that. I don't want to talk to our cameras and I hope you take advantage of the 180 day cancellation period.

722
01:16:38,960 --> 01:16:39,740
Thank you.

723
01:17:10,060 --> 01:17:12,660
Obviously, we're considering holding finance on the square.

724
01:17:13,040 --> 01:17:18,160
I know that there's a mention that they're going to probably have to be considered like that too.

725
01:17:18,480 --> 01:17:22,400
There's only a lot of fees to, I've heard of some change things with fees and finance on the square.

726
01:17:22,800 --> 01:17:26,200
I don't know what it's about, but I think that's a journey that comes out of the state.

727
01:17:27,720 --> 01:17:34,860
Just, I just wanted to quickly say, from February, a little corporate thing,

728
01:17:34,860 --> 01:17:38,480
Chief, do you like, have we had a memory of your assurance?

729
01:17:39,040 --> 01:17:39,700
That's good for me.

730
01:17:40,340 --> 01:17:44,040
Greg Hansley, you got a sort of black assistant testing

731
01:17:44,040 --> 01:17:46,240
and review of your data type of indulgence problem.

732
01:17:46,720 --> 01:17:48,660
But you didn't pause on that decision.

733
01:17:49,180 --> 01:17:49,800
That would have been great.

734
01:17:50,340 --> 01:17:53,280
Tom, you recognize the cameras would be helpful.

735
01:17:53,580 --> 01:17:54,880
You have some cameras on the square.

736
01:17:55,860 --> 01:17:58,480
You've failed to seriously consider that this

737
01:17:58,480 --> 01:18:00,240
memory stress was the question.

738
01:18:00,680 --> 01:18:02,660
The data status, the question was whether

739
01:18:02,660 --> 01:18:04,360
or any evidence can be useful out.

740
01:18:05,720 --> 01:18:07,600
So you used to vote a lot off here,

741
01:18:08,960 --> 01:18:10,860
and bad actors will come to the square

742
01:18:10,860 --> 01:18:12,040
because you don't have to have a chance.

743
01:18:13,420 --> 01:18:13,700
Really?

744
01:18:14,260 --> 01:18:15,080
That's not a first.

745
01:18:15,640 --> 01:18:17,140
They don't receive the case in Texas,

746
01:18:17,500 --> 01:18:18,940
and everything we're talking about,

747
01:18:19,020 --> 01:18:19,920
you're worth it and I'm great.

748
01:18:22,700 --> 01:18:26,960
Care, you felt it was also in the core privacy

749
01:18:26,960 --> 01:18:28,060
in governance concerns.

750
01:18:28,740 --> 01:18:35,980
You moved to approve first and manage risks through a term review instead of a clause

751
01:18:35,980 --> 01:18:39,260
A, the same local name we should look closer to before receiving.

752
01:18:40,380 --> 01:18:44,160
And I would suggest that you move it over to the police department's general order.

753
01:18:44,220 --> 01:18:47,860
I have a few thoughts, questions I'd like to refine the document actually,

754
01:18:49,040 --> 01:18:51,240
and just the transparency program general.

755
01:18:51,240 --> 01:18:57,120
The police have a previous interview with the policy permitted in the Pettinburg Review.

756
01:18:57,720 --> 01:19:02,500
And they just have a year to require routine outside oversight of the information that's in general.

757
01:19:02,940 --> 01:19:03,980
That's not transparency.

758
01:19:05,920 --> 01:19:08,240
I'd like to look for...

759
01:19:09,040 --> 01:19:12,960
Looking up on the sidewalks, it says that it's actually on the parking case number.

760
01:19:13,360 --> 01:19:15,880
Well, it's kind of a choir. You know, the question is you get that again.

761
01:19:16,200 --> 01:19:19,500
The reason that you type them? I'm going to encourage them to search.

762
01:19:19,500 --> 01:19:23,800
Yeah, we've created the case in required or not just optional or recommended.

763
01:19:26,280 --> 01:19:26,860
Let's see.

764
01:19:27,200 --> 01:19:28,420
I've got the proposal.

765
01:19:28,760 --> 01:19:29,380
I'm trying to call some stuff.

766
01:19:30,600 --> 01:19:32,040
We can't see what they're being used for.

767
01:19:32,220 --> 01:19:34,760
The transparency portals will show a case number.

768
01:19:34,760 --> 01:19:37,200
We can't put that through anything going out there.

769
01:19:37,580 --> 01:19:38,680
So there's no transparency there.

770
01:19:38,860 --> 01:19:40,260
What's being used for?

771
01:19:41,060 --> 01:19:43,640
We can't see how many times our accounts were created.

772
01:19:44,440 --> 01:19:45,120
That's terrible.

773
01:19:46,140 --> 01:19:47,640
So you can see the number right now.

774
01:19:47,640 --> 01:19:56,660
I don't know for our, we sure, there's eight, like I mentioned, and I don't know how many times I've ever come to this.

775
01:19:58,700 --> 01:19:59,560
Let's see here.

776
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:17,720
Yeah, we're going to ask for just a moment. Just to say that, uh, no, I don't know which officer is queried and done the actual period. Um, that would be kind of cool to see that transparency as well. Um, so I actually came from my mom. She's like, well, I've heard about this transparency portal. I mean, look, she's like, I wonder where the cameras are. Huh, I can't find them now.

777
01:20:30,340 --> 01:20:37,580
I'm going to counter that and say our city budget is published every single year in our expenditure.

778
01:20:37,920 --> 01:20:42,180
So we have so blue clear transparent expenditure.

779
01:20:42,380 --> 01:20:43,560
Correct. We've not always spent.

780
01:20:43,920 --> 01:20:45,900
But not just that I've seen for the spend there.

781
01:20:46,020 --> 01:20:50,780
That's your right and I've pulled it and it's a lot to step through.

782
01:20:51,340 --> 01:20:53,080
It's a little bit, it's not a quarter of a million.

783
01:20:53,340 --> 01:20:53,720
A little bit more.

784
01:20:53,900 --> 01:20:55,000
I'm not taking the wheel of another.

785
01:20:55,060 --> 01:20:57,440
It's harder for me to get that number precisely.

786
01:20:57,440 --> 01:20:59,880
that would be books that could be accurate

787
01:20:59,880 --> 01:21:03,660
causes of some doctor's company through the drug problem.

788
01:21:04,540 --> 01:21:07,420
And then I think, yeah, overall, it's just the,

789
01:21:07,580 --> 01:21:10,800
the policy to have an internal auditing,

790
01:21:11,100 --> 01:21:13,200
documentation, and departmental enforcement.

791
01:21:13,640 --> 01:21:17,000
I just would like to see more transparency on that.

792
01:21:17,240 --> 01:21:20,600
You know, yeah, that's, they were calling out, I think.

793
01:21:21,160 --> 01:21:23,500
My robustness is just, please, product is physically,

794
01:21:24,000 --> 01:21:24,660
as well as digital.

795
01:21:25,660 --> 01:21:31,260
And there's, I wouldn't need to make a motion to pause, cease, or terminate this, sort of, the most likely.

796
01:21:33,220 --> 01:21:33,740
You hear that?

797
01:21:44,140 --> 01:21:46,160
I'm really motivated by what Carlos said.

798
01:21:46,960 --> 01:21:52,280
Now, looking to enjoy you up here, you're little under this privilege of having this, right?

799
01:21:53,180 --> 01:21:59,660
And a lot of people cannot look down there, some themselves, to see and feel with other people both.

800
01:21:59,660 --> 01:22:09,340
Now, personally, I go and I'm only as good as what I do to protect and serve people who are eager or marginalized.

801
01:22:17,690 --> 01:22:22,710
So, my friends, my girls, our current government wants to criminalize.

802
01:22:23,450 --> 01:22:28,150
Objects, right, they're already criminalizing something that is civil offense.

803
01:22:29,790 --> 01:22:35,950
Meaning to protect people. How it makes sense. 5,000 people just show up from the high.

804
01:22:36,490 --> 01:22:38,710
And there's Canada's other word that could be that stuff.

805
01:22:39,430 --> 01:22:42,910
But that was true. I mean, I used to be access other Canada's in Illinois.

806
01:22:43,610 --> 01:22:47,610
Meaning to protect people. People need to feel safe in our community.

807
01:22:48,450 --> 01:22:55,530
Y'all represent the gay people, the trans people, the lesbians, the bisexuals, the brown, the black, everybody.

808
01:22:55,530 --> 01:23:00,830
So instead of just thinking, oh, well, the people that look like me, the meaning of this

809
01:23:00,830 --> 01:23:08,170
like me, there's a lot more in this community that needs to deal with taking care of us by all of you.

810
01:23:25,010 --> 01:23:29,290
Because how I am the organization to fight for us, and we are really important

811
01:23:29,290 --> 01:23:31,610
locations off the square of giving care to the people.

812
01:23:43,130 --> 01:23:46,550
Well, Roy Wilson, six, one, two, a part of the street.

813
01:23:50,950 --> 01:24:00,590
I mean, this is, this is what American was funded on, just for disagreements, didn't

814
01:24:00,590 --> 01:24:07,510
re-dress the grievances, and I've been watching a talk to you by the revolution or documentaries

815
01:24:07,510 --> 01:24:08,230
and everything.

816
01:24:08,890 --> 01:24:14,630
You know, this isn't a new thing on surveillance, this has been the balance for our reception

817
01:24:14,630 --> 01:24:18,970
about being surveyed by other people.

818
01:24:19,710 --> 01:24:23,470
Revolutionary work heroes were competing sought out

819
01:24:23,470 --> 01:24:25,530
by other people, by the British.

820
01:24:26,690 --> 01:24:28,470
And looked at it for different reasons

821
01:24:28,470 --> 01:24:31,090
and we fought that and fought that and fought that.

822
01:24:32,010 --> 01:24:35,030
And I've been opposed to the fought channels today

823
01:24:35,030 --> 01:24:37,850
when I was at the meeting in February, I think it was.

824
01:24:39,150 --> 01:24:41,330
And I'm still opposed to it.

825
01:24:41,330 --> 01:24:47,750
But the first thing I do right now is I don't know, speaking of all the same things at all but

826
01:24:48,410 --> 01:24:52,290
what is the cost of familiarly spending for a flat camera?

827
01:24:52,410 --> 01:24:53,170
What is the Patrick?

828
01:24:53,370 --> 01:24:54,290
Because I really don't know.

829
01:24:54,750 --> 01:24:59,530
So the new video cameras that were put in on track 26.

830
01:25:00,110 --> 01:25:18,430
What do you suggest? What do you suggest?

831
01:25:33,280 --> 01:25:38,820
What do you suggest?

832
01:25:38,820 --> 01:25:40,580
well articulated conference tonight.

833
01:25:41,380 --> 01:25:44,200
So my husband and I, my name's Lisa Kemp,

834
01:25:44,480 --> 01:25:46,220
my husband and I live in a market drive

835
01:25:46,220 --> 01:25:47,960
who purchased our house in 2018.

836
01:25:48,920 --> 01:25:51,760
We love woodstock, we love woodstock.

837
01:25:52,540 --> 01:25:55,840
I lived in Chicago since the mid-80s.

838
01:25:56,340 --> 01:25:58,220
I come from New York unfortunately family

839
01:25:58,220 --> 01:25:59,500
and first was part of the family.

840
01:25:59,740 --> 01:26:01,540
I was worked in the Illinois Crime Land.

841
01:26:02,220 --> 01:26:07,560
I'm not an anti-safety anti-flaw enforcement, et cetera.

842
01:26:08,900 --> 01:26:17,000
The thing that concerns me about this is over above the concerns of mass surveillance and

843
01:26:17,000 --> 01:26:20,740
everything, you know, all of my activities were trapped.

844
01:26:21,240 --> 01:26:27,740
It is the potential for this data, for this vehicle fingerprint, for this personal,

845
01:26:28,060 --> 01:26:36,860
physical fingerprint, and the linking of those, that information to what I spend my

846
01:26:36,860 --> 01:26:39,000
I'm going on to my credit card records,

847
01:26:39,260 --> 01:26:40,440
to my health insurance records,

848
01:26:41,040 --> 01:26:44,820
the potential for all of this to be linked

849
01:26:44,820 --> 01:26:48,480
and then to be sold globally to the highest bidders.

850
01:26:49,020 --> 01:26:53,260
And so I really would like for you to really consider.

851
01:26:53,820 --> 01:26:57,500
Thus, this, do the floccamus really make

852
01:26:57,500 --> 01:26:59,160
what stops the distance safer

853
01:26:59,660 --> 01:27:05,940
or does this open us off to potential global criminal apps?

854
01:27:05,940 --> 01:27:16,160
How many data breaches do we hear about in the news regularly, and does this collection

855
01:27:16,160 --> 01:27:23,780
of data and the way that it is shared or sold by a private company, does that then

856
01:27:23,780 --> 01:27:29,900
open us up to things that would really cause the touch of harm?

857
01:27:30,320 --> 01:27:31,120
Thank you very much.

858
01:27:50,920 --> 01:28:12,140
I thought I was going to manage a farmer's market, thought I was going to open a business archery, but what I knew that your farmers can meet the people around us, is our variety of people, and they love this town, and they love each other, and they want to be safe.

859
01:28:12,900 --> 01:28:21,480
And these clock cameras, they take the shimmy off of this bridge as teller, we loved it here, I don't love it anywhere.

860
01:28:22,640 --> 01:28:24,060
You can change that.

861
01:28:46,390 --> 01:28:52,210
The February meeting spoke against the clock cameras, also a business owner, live on Jackson Street.

862
01:28:52,950 --> 01:28:58,670
And before I came here tonight, I was just sitting on the couch watching some television, looking at my phone, watching it,

863
01:28:58,670 --> 01:29:07,790
Cubs, socks, score, and then decided part of the live stream and saw all the people speaking about this is more important than watching that through it, so we're checking them.

864
01:29:12,560 --> 01:29:17,280
We're always speaking about the talk about correcting the states and being able to do this as you've been in the state.

865
01:29:18,380 --> 01:29:26,260
And I think last meeting I said on the teacher and then went on some high-footed brands, like, well, what I've caught in my class applies to you.

866
01:29:26,260 --> 01:29:32,300
And happy again, some teachers write in class and talk about being able to accept criticism

867
01:29:32,300 --> 01:29:37,720
and admit that maybe what he's almost good and feel to your purpose and audience, maybe

868
01:29:37,720 --> 01:29:38,640
wasn't the best.

869
01:29:39,320 --> 01:29:40,020
I'm a student.

870
01:29:40,340 --> 01:29:46,000
I gave him a piece of my way and I was quoting Bob Ross and said, there are not two mistakes

871
01:29:46,000 --> 01:29:47,560
only happy accidents.

872
01:29:48,360 --> 01:29:53,700
And he's like, I think it sounds better if you say there are no mistakes only happy accidents.

873
01:29:53,700 --> 01:29:57,580
And I initially like, that's such an empty thing. It doesn't even matter.

874
01:29:58,980 --> 01:29:59,940
But then...

875
01:30:00,430 --> 01:30:27,750
If you're listening to more of my students, I think it does sound better if you just give her a tea. I think it'd be very, very honorable thing. Put my writing on board and deleted the tea. And Sonata piece of writing says there aren't no mistakes. Only happy accidents. Obviously, deleting a tea from my one piece writing is a lot different than giving out a flat contract that is tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars. I don't know how much it is.

876
01:30:28,750 --> 01:30:31,110
but I just here to encourage you to reconsider

877
01:30:31,110 --> 01:30:33,750
and kind of encourage you to make the admit that

878
01:30:34,570 --> 01:30:36,810
you made a happy accident or you can correct

879
01:30:36,810 --> 01:30:37,750
that act the accident.

880
01:30:37,910 --> 01:30:38,330
So they do.

881
01:30:38,870 --> 01:30:39,810
That's an

882
01:30:59,170 --> 01:30:59,730
opportunity for a discussion,

883
01:31:08,880 --> 01:31:11,720
an opportunity for the public and anybody else

884
01:31:11,720 --> 01:31:13,780
can come forward under for a discussion.

885
01:31:18,580 --> 01:31:21,920
Hello, my name is Eldritch and I speak

886
01:31:21,920 --> 01:31:25,720
as a foreign minister of highway.

887
01:31:26,500 --> 01:31:28,160
So I came out there because I really admire

888
01:31:28,160 --> 01:31:30,120
and how those people stood out for themselves.

889
01:31:31,000 --> 01:31:33,900
I grew up, I did business time, run a lot with my family.

890
01:31:35,740 --> 01:31:38,640
And while it didn't so feel to me as a kid,

891
01:31:39,320 --> 01:31:40,560
I really did feel I love it.

892
01:31:41,760 --> 01:31:44,180
But since hearing about this black camera,

893
01:31:44,500 --> 01:31:48,560
I realized that this place was not an escape

894
01:31:48,560 --> 01:31:51,180
from the surveillance that I would choose a child

895
01:31:51,180 --> 01:31:53,260
to my adulthood in Chicago.

896
01:31:53,260 --> 01:32:03,060
And so I am asking you or I should say really to your attention that you have this opportunity

897
01:32:03,940 --> 01:32:12,180
to stand out from these big surveillance towns and cities across America instead of studying

898
01:32:12,180 --> 01:32:16,100
It's a lot. That will do you good to be different.

899
01:32:17,600 --> 01:32:17,960
These

900
01:32:47,840 --> 01:32:53,040
cloth cameras, so I just graduated from a CXC in Chicago.

901
01:32:54,180 --> 01:33:00,940
And I never failed to not let like a more makeover buy

902
01:33:00,940 --> 01:33:02,760
to work with stuff.

903
01:33:04,260 --> 01:33:09,720
Actually a lot of my professors have moved out here,

904
01:33:09,720 --> 01:33:26,720
because of the rich artist community, but as you know, social concerns like this are very serious artists, so the tourism of the business, I also go to my business,

905
01:33:26,720 --> 01:33:33,800
and hopefully in Crystal Lake, you know, all this stuff going on because I provide a hair

906
01:33:33,800 --> 01:33:35,300
care for a martialist people.

907
01:33:37,020 --> 01:33:39,740
Yeah, and I'm glad I don't have to do it, but I'm going to stop.

908
01:33:39,920 --> 01:33:45,560
We have a deal with staff president and to be representative of Woodstock and seeing all

909
01:33:45,560 --> 01:33:48,320
this going on, it's disappointing.

910
01:33:48,800 --> 01:33:52,100
And we do this thing in our school called critique.

911
01:33:52,940 --> 01:34:00,440
And, uh, yeah, you have to sit for like 30 minutes and let people take a part of your word.

912
01:34:00,920 --> 01:34:02,280
We're familiar with the chicken.

913
01:34:05,060 --> 01:34:11,160
Yeah, sometimes it takes some time, but there's some wisdom that he's not good.

914
01:34:11,800 --> 01:34:17,260
Also, if you'd like, I'd take this opportunity to do a nice portrait of you.

915
01:34:17,260 --> 01:34:32,280
You ever really thought it was where you're going to take the time to move it off of you or so?

916
01:34:33,840 --> 01:34:36,640
That's the first time I've ever seen.

917
01:34:38,540 --> 01:34:39,820
How did you feel?

918
01:34:42,760 --> 01:34:45,720
You're ready for a long time.

919
01:34:49,900 --> 01:34:53,220
I want you to think about the art work.

920
01:34:53,920 --> 01:34:56,720
It's about the idea and how you feel about the art work.

921
01:34:56,720 --> 01:34:59,960
So, just now it's kind of a long...

922
01:35:05,220 --> 01:35:06,260
I'm speechless.

923
01:35:09,820 --> 01:35:10,340
I

924
01:35:21,380 --> 01:35:30,140
know I'm having the one that I was planning on speaking to. I was singing

925
01:35:30,140 --> 01:35:35,820
up on also, I heard a bit called in, uh, city advice. This is not my first time seeing

926
01:35:35,820 --> 01:35:41,300
when I saw at the Richmond Illinois, my name is Liz, and I visited this where many

927
01:35:41,300 --> 01:35:46,720
many times since I was a little girl, my parents, and I can tell you tonight was the first

928
01:35:46,720 --> 01:35:53,420
time that I felt unsafe visiting this where. And my eyes were not over my shoulders, they

929
01:35:53,420 --> 01:35:58,500
were not down the alleys that I was walking by to attend this meeting. My eyes were turned

930
01:35:58,500 --> 01:36:02,700
in the skyward towards the lead posts and the flag posts

931
01:36:03,200 --> 01:36:05,940
and stoplights that contain the flat cameras.

932
01:36:06,400 --> 01:36:07,940
When I turned to come into town,

933
01:36:08,300 --> 01:36:11,600
I was shocked to see a flat camera, right when I turned in

934
01:36:12,000 --> 01:36:16,340
and I just came to implore you to reverse your decision

935
01:36:16,340 --> 01:36:18,780
on the flat cameras and move the contracts.

936
01:36:20,580 --> 01:36:24,080
I don't believe that sacrificing and in our freedoms

937
01:36:24,960 --> 01:36:27,220
is worth an illusion of security

938
01:36:27,220 --> 01:36:31,740
and then I just wanted to ask you to reconsider and cancel your block camera.

939
01:36:32,240 --> 01:36:32,760
Thank you.

940
01:36:33,080 --> 01:36:33,260
Hello,

941
01:36:47,060 --> 01:36:47,380
counsel.

942
01:36:47,840 --> 01:36:56,740
My name is Coro Thomas, and I live in 1951, North Orleans in McCannery.

943
01:36:57,000 --> 01:37:07,180
I am not a constituent here, but it seemed such an obvious violation of the fourth amendment.

944
01:37:07,180 --> 01:37:18,560
And then I'm sure you've heard the phrase those who sacrifice their liberty for freedom deserve neither.

945
01:37:19,420 --> 01:37:21,880
But I'm not even convinced this gives me any safety.

946
01:37:22,160 --> 01:37:28,400
I'm sure you've heard from everyone here they feel much less safe with these cameras in place

947
01:37:28,860 --> 01:37:35,200
and you're willing to do this on top of sacrificing the business that you are losing.

948
01:37:35,200 --> 01:37:47,480
I don't get it and seeing the emails where we were just our opinions and feelings were treated like nothing.

949
01:37:48,860 --> 01:37:59,080
It just made me angry and I will not be living here even in the canary within two months.

950
01:37:59,080 --> 01:38:08,240
but I will be telling every person I know in Woodstock about every election for this council

951
01:38:08,740 --> 01:38:18,740
and tell them to go out and vote because this is very important to me. I'd like to thank Melissa

952
01:38:18,740 --> 01:38:20,780
for listening to us.

953
01:38:44,020 --> 01:38:47,360
Just to let you know, y'all know who you are, you know I voted, you're going

954
01:38:47,360 --> 01:38:50,680
a terrible job. You're going to get voted out and you can eat my entire ass.

955
01:39:12,210 --> 01:39:18,830
I live at 301 Mark Madison for Incomplex to South of Square. I really love walking to

956
01:39:18,830 --> 01:39:23,070
Square. It's one of my favorite things to do at night. Just go around, never felt unsafe.

957
01:39:24,010 --> 01:39:28,530
I don't want to let you all know. I think keeping it down to you how many people have been speaking

958
01:39:28,530 --> 01:39:35,350
to right. We are almost at 40. There's an even higher we're going to go over 40. I think

959
01:39:35,350 --> 01:39:39,050
just the amount of different perspectives that you've gotten tonight should show you

960
01:39:39,050 --> 01:39:45,050
that this is a very wide-ranging issue that affects everyone in this town. I also notice that

961
01:39:45,050 --> 01:39:49,370
you all have been taking a lot of notes, which is great, and I really hope that you read those

962
01:39:49,370 --> 01:39:55,130
later as well, and that those don't seem to account what you've heard tonight, and that it does

963
01:39:55,130 --> 01:39:59,870
actually change their mind on this decision and then you do take that into account and change their mind.

964
01:40:00,340 --> 01:40:01,700
Thank you. Sure

965
01:40:19,360 --> 01:40:24,160
for one thing, and that is a privately-by to your eans and large,

966
01:40:24,220 --> 01:40:29,720
impressive anime characters, you're my last, you know I have to be happy with our stories of people

967
01:40:29,720 --> 01:40:36,960
into this. And I think that's where the last thing I want is someone to know I have done that.

968
01:40:46,220 --> 01:40:51,220
So now she knows, I would love for what's our key need of that.

969
01:40:52,860 --> 01:40:55,020
I thought I had nothing to do with the spokes.

970
01:40:55,260 --> 01:40:57,680
But people have said better than I, just wanted to mention all that.

971
01:40:57,800 --> 01:40:59,120
So we can rock it in for a second.

972
01:40:59,880 --> 01:41:01,200
We'll have to discuss this kind of ridiculous.

973
01:41:02,900 --> 01:41:06,200
And also because of this encounter with the business minded.

974
01:41:06,640 --> 01:41:10,320
So let's be honest, I don't think people are going to like this idea.

975
01:41:10,320 --> 01:41:18,420
I think I'm going to come who are frankly quite yay farmers are getting head shop here if they think that's the situation

976
01:41:18,420 --> 01:41:20,260
so let's take that into consideration.

977
01:41:20,900 --> 01:41:24,340
I heard it in Greg, Rob, Matt, Bob, I heard it.

978
01:41:24,940 --> 01:41:26,120
I said Matt and he are Matt.

979
01:41:26,340 --> 01:41:27,180
All right, I'm going to give him a hand.

980
01:41:28,040 --> 01:41:28,480
I'm

981
01:42:00,260 --> 01:42:02,540
going to leave here since I turned 9.

982
01:42:04,060 --> 01:42:08,920
And I have a couple of questions to kind of really ask,

983
01:42:08,920 --> 01:42:10,300
Impolitely,

984
01:42:13,410 --> 01:42:18,910
starting off, why do more of its sliver, or what's pointed at our rights?

985
01:42:22,050 --> 01:42:23,650
The answer to any of them is

986
01:42:28,380 --> 01:42:31,000
not developed enough to work effectively.

987
01:42:34,830 --> 01:42:40,390
The flux or ailments is not actually affected in reducing private rates in American towns.

988
01:42:40,990 --> 01:42:44,870
It is actually found to be beyond the city in the Indian Daily House.

989
01:42:44,870 --> 01:42:45,670
that focuses

990
01:42:49,640 --> 01:42:50,800
in their police department

991
01:42:50,800 --> 01:42:53,040
have so far been caught in this handling,

992
01:42:53,040 --> 01:42:55,160
the information by

993
01:42:57,180 --> 01:42:58,020
the decisions.

994
01:42:59,340 --> 01:43:02,160
We've already seen a lot of that happening

995
01:43:02,540 --> 01:43:05,940
all over the country, there's a bunch of officers who,

996
01:43:06,240 --> 01:43:08,740
I'm sure other people would mention stopping cases,

997
01:43:12,830 --> 01:43:13,170
doing what?

998
01:43:13,710 --> 01:43:15,690
And they shouldn't have the access

999
01:43:16,230 --> 01:43:19,470
to just looking who ever they want to,

1000
01:43:20,030 --> 01:43:21,550
for their own personal reasons.

1001
01:43:21,550 --> 01:43:22,090
We

1002
01:43:24,710 --> 01:43:31,110
find Lena Pride, a company with private motivation to sign who is and who is not a criminal.

1003
01:43:35,550 --> 01:43:47,430
How easy it is to access the caption foes or in the club, it is not actually as clockwise deleted after 30 or I guess now 7 days.

1004
01:43:47,430 --> 01:43:58,170
It is sort of perfectly permanent violence in the police department computers and to access

1005
01:43:58,170 --> 01:44:05,850
this it only takes one user name and one password and any very unskilled domestic hacker,

1006
01:44:06,470 --> 01:44:12,350
or whatever you call them, could easily bypass that and get those credentials to access these systems.

1007
01:44:14,620 --> 01:44:24,780
When a woman like a terrorist or whatever from any other country, or the woman who really wants was in those gowns,

1008
01:44:30,420 --> 01:44:40,400
be okay as people of the government, with stabilizing the safety and privacy of thousands and thousands of people who live in woodstock,

1009
01:44:41,420 --> 01:44:45,040
to catch maybe a small handful of birds.

1010
01:44:45,040 --> 01:44:48,100
He's not really a sacrifice that we're okay with making,

1011
01:44:50,880 --> 01:44:51,760
but if there's

1012
01:44:56,180 --> 01:44:56,600
a question,

1013
01:44:56,800 --> 01:44:58,720
they'll say, uh, the police in the room.

1014
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:15,260
Do you really trust the people sitting next to you at your desk, wherever you work? Do you really trust them to not mishable the power and access to everyone else's lives that comes in a 24-7-5 feet?

1015
01:45:17,400 --> 01:45:18,900
Would you trust your coworkers with that?

1016
01:45:22,620 --> 01:45:34,520
We're trying to order. However, with people... So in every local government area, I'm just going to ask you, I'm going to show you where I feel better. So in how many ways do you think this system could ever be

1017
01:45:34,520 --> 01:45:38,200
And tell me, ever thought about that in your time?

1018
01:45:40,180 --> 01:45:47,780
And finally, do you think that this will create a severe power in values between people and the police department?

1019
01:45:50,060 --> 01:45:50,900
Thank you.

1020
01:46:03,760 --> 01:46:05,920
Good evening, my name is Mary Beth Wallsworth.

1021
01:46:06,560 --> 01:46:09,060
I'm a resident of a 1135 dog of a court.

1022
01:46:09,820 --> 01:46:13,400
Before that, my husband and I first married and moved to Woodstock.

1023
01:46:14,060 --> 01:46:15,780
He was actually already here.

1024
01:46:16,240 --> 01:46:19,620
We decided to make our home and our family and our community

1025
01:46:19,620 --> 01:46:22,640
do a bit for 15 South Madison Street, right?

1026
01:46:22,780 --> 01:46:25,380
We directly on that path to that Groundhog Day House.

1027
01:46:26,340 --> 01:46:30,700
So I was blessed with my son over here.

1028
01:46:30,940 --> 01:46:34,080
You may be much more informed as to what was going on.

1029
01:46:34,720 --> 01:46:38,600
And I just want you to know, you were elected with trust.

1030
01:46:39,240 --> 01:46:41,540
The trust of the community behind you,

1031
01:46:41,540 --> 01:46:47,960
whether they were 21 or 81, they elected you with trust.

1032
01:46:48,700 --> 01:46:51,420
So now they all stepped forward to speak

1033
01:46:51,420 --> 01:46:54,900
and are asking you to trust us now

1034
01:46:55,580 --> 01:47:00,460
and to rectify the initial acceptance

1035
01:47:01,200 --> 01:47:04,380
of the flock cameras and to eliminate them.

1036
01:47:04,860 --> 01:47:08,740
Just to when I drive over, I'm a flight attendant

1037
01:47:08,740 --> 01:47:17,980
And so I talk about my community all the time and I invite people to come here, but I don't know if I'm going to extend that invitation.

1038
01:47:18,720 --> 01:47:23,700
If they can't come freely and trust that the environment that they're in isn't being trapped.

1039
01:47:24,500 --> 01:47:33,380
So again, think of trust. It's a virtue. It's what you elected on by that we trusted you in our vote.

1040
01:47:33,380 --> 01:47:41,800
And so now we ask you that you trust the opinions and the very strong comments and the factual

1041
01:47:41,800 --> 01:47:48,580
information that was attributed to today and take the clock cameras out of our community.

1042
01:47:49,200 --> 01:47:50,240
And thank you for your time.

1043
01:48:09,580 --> 01:48:11,420
Make comments under for discussion.

1044
01:48:11,820 --> 01:48:12,280
Public comment.

1045
01:48:12,660 --> 01:48:12,900
Hi,

1046
01:48:19,790 --> 01:48:21,050
my name is Karen Osbach.

1047
01:48:21,990 --> 01:48:23,730
I have been a resident of Woodstock.

1048
01:48:24,230 --> 01:48:26,970
My entire life, I was born here, raised here.

1049
01:48:26,970 --> 01:48:34,010
I think I would stay here, but my husband, from New Jersey, he moved here for our college

1050
01:48:34,010 --> 01:48:39,670
and fell in love with this town, and it made me worried fall in love with Woodstock.

1051
01:48:41,150 --> 01:48:52,170
And I just felt compelled to share with you my lived experience as a person of color on my

1052
01:48:52,170 --> 01:49:02,770
five, six, four cameras. I'm afraid I just want you to be aware of that. I'm afraid that as a person

1053
01:49:02,770 --> 01:49:04,810
colored, I'm going to be targeted.

1054
01:49:07,490 --> 01:49:09,730
I rationalize in

1055
01:49:12,030 --> 01:49:15,370
my head every day. I'm a good person in

1056
01:49:27,500 --> 01:49:28,680
health care every day.

1057
01:49:31,240 --> 01:49:36,260
I talked to people through a team's surgeries with a

1058
01:49:36,260 --> 01:49:39,560
orthopedic doctor every day. I'm there looking at their

1059
01:49:39,560 --> 01:49:45,200
eyes and encouraging them through the process, taking care

1060
01:49:45,200 --> 01:49:46,640
of their fears.

1061
01:49:49,120 --> 01:49:51,460
And I just wish that someone would do that

1062
01:49:51,460 --> 01:49:56,460
for me. I wish this council would do that for me. Because I

1063
01:49:56,460 --> 01:49:59,120
and giving that to the community every single day.

1064
01:50:00,020 --> 01:50:25,680
That's all I've ever felt that I needed to do because I have been very appreciative of this community and that my parents decided to build a life here. And I thought I would do that too. With my husband, we created a family here. I really want to do that. But this is making me feel so unsafe.

1065
01:50:29,220 --> 01:50:32,500
I just wanted to share with you my living experience.

1066
01:50:58,240 --> 01:50:58,760
I

1067
01:51:00,800 --> 01:51:06,400
just don't know how you can see all these people here very clearly.

1068
01:51:06,860 --> 01:51:09,120
This is not the will of the people.

1069
01:51:09,700 --> 01:51:11,300
That's what you're supposed to stand for.

1070
01:51:12,100 --> 01:51:13,660
And I think it's very obvious.

1071
01:51:13,940 --> 01:51:15,980
This does not make anybody feel safer.

1072
01:51:16,080 --> 01:51:18,880
In fact, it's making a lot of people feel very unsafe.

1073
01:51:19,140 --> 01:51:20,720
For multiple different reasons.

1074
01:51:21,060 --> 01:51:23,580
Whether it's even a flock or just a survey lens.

1075
01:51:23,720 --> 01:51:24,580
And they're all right.

1076
01:51:24,580 --> 01:51:30,400
If you don't listen to the rights of the people, don't you dare say that because of our safety?

1077
01:51:31,260 --> 01:51:32,040
Thank you.

1078
01:52:02,360 --> 01:52:03,280
My name is Cal.

1079
01:52:03,720 --> 01:52:05,380
I live in Wisconsin for 15 years.

1080
01:52:06,320 --> 01:52:08,740
I just couldn't leave you with the definition of safety.

1081
01:52:09,100 --> 01:52:16,040
First thing that you will say is the AI overview says the state of being free from harm, danger, injury, or risk.

1082
01:52:16,880 --> 01:52:18,300
Block cameras don't bring safety.

1083
01:52:18,620 --> 01:52:19,820
We have seen the risks.

1084
01:52:21,000 --> 01:52:21,820
They can't bring safety.

1085
01:52:21,820 --> 01:52:22,360
and

1086
01:52:34,940 --> 01:52:36,240
put some of my stuff here.

1087
01:52:36,240 --> 01:52:38,380
I did a little bit for this talk to you so I think I'm good.

1088
01:52:38,380 --> 01:52:41,920
I did a little bit for this talk to my whole life that was way of some, very long time,

1089
01:52:42,780 --> 01:52:43,540
I think.

1090
01:52:48,810 --> 01:52:50,090
An opinion fair deal.

1091
01:52:50,770 --> 01:52:54,890
What I have been saying about it here for a particular specific time tonight, I think it's just

1092
01:52:54,890 --> 01:53:01,070
an overwhelming majority of people here who have shown and have given the cues and the

1093
01:53:01,870 --> 01:53:04,090
cause that we should test in this context.

1094
01:53:04,090 --> 01:53:13,110
and give them my kids is not the life that I want to do to leave for them, so I can't

1095
01:53:13,110 --> 01:53:13,610
sit down and chat.

1096
01:53:14,490 --> 01:53:14,830
Thank you.

1097
01:53:27,460 --> 01:53:32,480
I am a dental clinic, I am a residential clinic staff and a medical family.

1098
01:53:33,100 --> 01:53:39,100
I am also a software engineer so I familiar with things like that of storage and security

1099
01:53:39,100 --> 01:53:41,700
and AI models and that sort of thing.

1100
01:53:43,260 --> 01:53:50,200
And you know, like in my profession, we work with these things on a daily basis, and

1101
01:53:50,200 --> 01:53:53,940
another one with your looks at, if you have spoken here tonight.

1102
01:53:55,360 --> 01:54:02,740
And if you know anything about IT people and software issues, we love to recommend technological

1103
01:54:02,740 --> 01:54:04,360
solutions to things.

1104
01:54:05,920 --> 01:54:14,920
One of my software engineers, friends or co-workers, when we talk about clock and it comes up in conversation, then gets a pretty idea.

1105
01:54:15,420 --> 01:54:27,130
We are all worried about how it violates our rights to privacy and considering your software engineers all saying

1106
01:54:27,890 --> 01:54:32,390
We're the kind of people that love to talk about technology and talk about how great it is.

1107
01:54:32,490 --> 01:54:37,250
We're all saying, no, this isn't work, this isn't something we might.

1108
01:54:37,830 --> 01:54:38,790
That should tell you something.

1109
01:54:39,350 --> 01:54:39,770
Thank you.

1110
01:55:03,150 --> 01:55:14,550
No, if you don't mind the free one. It's for Monday, it's a free. I don't want an exact free run of what was already said. Because of other business meeting. Of course.

1111
01:55:16,930 --> 01:55:17,870
I have a

1112
01:55:22,320 --> 01:55:27,720
couple of certain things to say, adding all to the fellow who have been suffering

1113
01:55:27,720 --> 01:55:33,680
with the square to purchase his figurines, and what is not considering booping the pride

1114
01:55:33,680 --> 01:55:37,880
festival off of the square to give his a lot of people's concern.

1115
01:55:38,380 --> 01:55:40,520
I'm sure you're aware of it, I'm sure you've heard it.

1116
01:55:40,820 --> 01:55:44,920
I would think you're not reaching out to you, go to some, to advocate for that change

1117
01:55:44,920 --> 01:55:45,820
if this goes through.

1118
01:55:46,420 --> 01:55:50,160
I think a lot of us would want to do everything in our power to make sure of it.

1119
01:55:50,440 --> 01:55:52,720
We can still hold it and we still let them feel safe.

1120
01:55:55,020 --> 01:55:58,360
But I have to say, it isn't all directly to you, though.

1121
01:55:58,800 --> 01:56:08,980
If we move that off of the square, even if it is interrupted, I would like to mention just how much revenue we can see that this festival brings it.

1122
01:56:10,380 --> 01:56:17,920
The shops on that square, they tend to be the store, full of G&E merchandise, full of

1123
01:56:17,920 --> 01:56:27,560
figurines, other, full of entertainment, all merchandise at that time, for various things like

1124
01:56:27,560 --> 01:56:31,120
the Eries Crystals on the shop, all out of fashion shops.

1125
01:56:31,680 --> 01:56:37,280
These are things that if this demographic is turned away, if the private festival is canceled,

1126
01:56:38,480 --> 01:56:43,980
I'm going to be fragile. We eat this stuff up. I can't believe it's some kind of stuff.

1127
01:56:46,320 --> 01:56:51,120
You have no idea how much money these people spend on all of my plans.

1128
01:56:53,260 --> 01:56:57,360
I don't know how much you break in. I'm jealous of you, frankly.

1129
01:56:58,540 --> 01:57:04,340
One other thing I have to say on financial note is there are places that are not installing

1130
01:57:04,340 --> 01:57:07,020
these hammers that have similar events.

1131
01:57:07,460 --> 01:57:12,500
They can and will throw them popularly in a canry, people can put them in a puddle, certain

1132
01:57:12,500 --> 01:57:16,440
one in one place, and even in one place with that hammers,

1133
01:57:18,540 --> 01:57:21,040
there are, in any mug there is

1134
01:57:21,040 --> 01:57:27,880
construction car shows from the front being tired summer happy here and I'd like

1135
01:57:27,880 --> 01:57:34,380
to say for anybody afraid of living here that is cheap property value. I'm just

1136
01:57:34,380 --> 01:57:39,240
telling you if you want the homes to stay here this is pushing people away

1137
01:57:39,240 --> 01:57:42,580
places for an engine cheaply go and set public.

1138
01:57:57,760 --> 01:58:01,220
There's an opportunity

1139
01:58:07,620 --> 01:58:12,460
for a

1140
01:58:12,460 --> 01:58:13,640
Florida's snowstorm.

1141
01:58:17,300 --> 01:58:17,740
If

1142
01:58:21,000 --> 01:58:24,340
you want me to see that was laughing at the guy at the contact with the very back,

1143
01:58:25,320 --> 01:58:25,980
as well.

1144
01:58:26,240 --> 01:58:26,620
We're neighbors!

1145
01:58:26,920 --> 01:58:27,080
Fine.

1146
01:58:28,200 --> 01:58:29,240
You know, that's not true.

1147
01:58:30,120 --> 01:58:31,500
I want to stick around.

1148
01:58:32,020 --> 01:58:32,400
Who does?

1149
01:58:34,100 --> 01:58:34,540
I'm on a dear.

1150
01:58:34,700 --> 01:58:35,080
It's not obvious.

1151
01:58:37,220 --> 01:58:37,660
Hi.

1152
01:58:38,740 --> 01:58:40,100
My name is Anna Kolko.

1153
01:58:40,440 --> 01:58:41,400
I own an house.

1154
01:58:41,480 --> 01:58:45,220
I was literally over the city for years in my life.

1155
01:58:45,220 --> 01:58:48,680
I went to St. Mary's, I went to a study high school.

1156
01:58:50,560 --> 01:58:59,180
I understood the square was my home at her school and all I would be my friends and

1157
01:58:59,180 --> 01:59:05,100
one of us would bring a guitar and we would just hang out and enjoy the view of Woodstock

1158
01:59:05,100 --> 01:59:06,640
and enjoy the arts.

1159
01:59:06,920 --> 01:59:07,340
I'm an artist.

1160
01:59:09,080 --> 01:59:13,160
I would frequently go to the square and sketch and do planet painting.

1161
01:59:13,160 --> 01:59:22,820
And I feel terrible that getting these days will not feel as comfortable as I did on the

1162
01:59:22,820 --> 01:59:23,000
square.

1163
01:59:23,680 --> 01:59:31,240
Like, I love this town because I love it and it was going to be a huge part of it.

1164
01:59:32,080 --> 01:59:43,410
And I just like you guys to think about the choice that we can make to help the people

1165
01:59:43,410 --> 01:59:50,270
other community, do you want to say it? Just a little bit. Thank you.

1166
02:00:02,220 --> 02:00:31,280
Here, just to add to the note about pride and people spending money on the square, pride is a great sale stay for us. Any day that there's a festival is a really good business day. I do that there's no farmers working no festival. The square is bad, there's basically no sale. So I would really hate to see events like pride and it's a kind of say leave the square because those are really the only days we make anyone eat truthfully so.

1167
02:00:31,980 --> 02:00:32,680
Thank you.

1168
02:00:33,160 --> 02:00:33,360
But

1169
02:00:46,390 --> 02:00:48,070
we should make comment on the fourth session.

1170
02:00:48,510 --> 02:00:48,930
Public comment.

1171
02:00:57,500 --> 02:00:58,220
Third and final.

1172
02:01:01,320 --> 02:01:02,100
All right, ladies and gentlemen.

1173
02:01:02,300 --> 02:01:05,720
That takes us to the end of public comment for discussion.

1174
02:01:08,490 --> 02:01:11,290
The next item on the agenda is council comment.

1175
02:01:12,610 --> 02:01:15,850
At this time, I've opened it up to members of the council.

1176
02:01:16,490 --> 02:01:18,150
We should make comments on the item.

1177
02:01:18,150 --> 02:01:19,470
It's not on the seniors agenda.

1178
02:01:26,350 --> 02:01:28,970
I want to take a moment to address the question that was

1179
02:01:28,970 --> 02:01:31,270
and we present tonight a variety of Black safety equipment

1180
02:01:31,990 --> 02:01:33,950
for the federal and the South American Ocean.

1181
02:01:36,270 --> 02:01:38,650
Near the 2000 restaurants and mooters,

1182
02:01:38,790 --> 02:01:40,070
taking the time to sign a petition,

1183
02:01:40,350 --> 02:01:42,190
asking this council to cancel the agreement.

1184
02:01:42,910 --> 02:01:45,110
I don't believe we should simply accept that petition

1185
02:01:45,110 --> 02:01:46,710
and move on without getting their request

1186
02:01:46,710 --> 02:01:47,930
to series consideration,

1187
02:01:48,110 --> 02:01:49,630
along with the 53,

1188
02:01:49,890 --> 02:01:53,030
so I think you want to come and set here on the public record.

1189
02:01:53,890 --> 02:01:55,450
When we approved Black movement,

1190
02:01:56,650 --> 02:01:59,330
this council specifically required 120 day

1191
02:02:00,210 --> 02:02:03,170
and the city's sole discretion and without cause.

1192
02:02:03,650 --> 02:02:05,070
That provision wasn't intentional.

1193
02:02:05,750 --> 02:02:06,870
It gave the city an opportunity

1194
02:02:06,870 --> 02:02:08,590
to reconsider the agreement that it's

1195
02:02:08,590 --> 02:02:09,530
certain that it's changed,

1196
02:02:09,870 --> 02:02:11,490
or we didn't continue with the agreement

1197
02:02:11,490 --> 02:02:13,550
with no longer the city's best interests

1198
02:02:13,550 --> 02:02:15,490
at our residents' best interests.

1199
02:02:16,350 --> 02:02:18,470
Since that vote, we've continued to see questions

1200
02:02:18,470 --> 02:02:21,290
and concerns surrounding this technology.

1201
02:02:21,530 --> 02:02:23,610
Now we're regarding privacy and health information

1202
02:02:23,610 --> 02:02:25,910
to be accessed and shared,

1203
02:02:26,110 --> 02:02:28,070
but also regarding the potential misuse

1204
02:02:28,070 --> 02:02:29,490
of misident identification.

1205
02:02:30,050 --> 02:02:32,070
These are the type of settlement concerns

1206
02:02:32,070 --> 02:02:34,870
we have seen recent reports nationally and locally

1207
02:02:34,870 --> 02:02:37,170
involving alleged misdeeds of lack systems,

1208
02:02:37,710 --> 02:02:39,050
including searches that have been

1209
02:02:39,430 --> 02:02:41,150
that appear to have gone beyond limits

1210
02:02:41,150 --> 02:02:43,410
to legitimate law enforcement purposes.

1211
02:02:44,110 --> 02:02:46,290
We've also seen documented concern right in Illinois

1212
02:02:46,810 --> 02:02:49,050
regarding the share of license plate data

1213
02:02:49,050 --> 02:02:50,390
with federal authorities.

1214
02:02:51,350 --> 02:02:54,630
And tonight, nearly 2,000 of our residents and visitors

1215
02:02:54,630 --> 02:02:57,510
are telling us, are taking the time to sign a petition

1216
02:02:57,510 --> 02:03:01,290
that they do not believe the agreement is in the best interest of woodstock.

1217
02:03:02,230 --> 02:03:05,430
I recognize that we've already agreed or voted on this agreement.

1218
02:03:05,830 --> 02:03:08,270
I'm not suggesting that we simply undo the vote tonight,

1219
02:03:08,630 --> 02:03:10,130
as that would not be proved.

1220
02:03:10,510 --> 02:03:12,570
I know not about the procedure.

1221
02:03:13,310 --> 02:03:15,450
But if cancellation is not properly noted,

1222
02:03:15,810 --> 02:03:18,310
notice as an action item on tonight's agenda,

1223
02:03:19,170 --> 02:03:21,790
I don't believe we should have to take final action tonight.

1224
02:03:22,650 --> 02:03:25,450
What I am asking is that we take the extra appropriate staff

1225
02:03:25,450 --> 02:03:27,450
I would like to counsel to formally consider

1226
02:03:27,450 --> 02:03:29,590
bringing the agreement back into discussion

1227
02:03:30,110 --> 02:03:32,030
like the City Attorney to provide the counsel

1228
02:03:32,030 --> 02:03:33,630
with the fully executed agreement

1229
02:03:33,630 --> 02:03:37,150
and confer the exact terms of the cancellation provision,

1230
02:03:37,950 --> 02:03:39,530
including when that period began,

1231
02:03:39,930 --> 02:03:41,790
when it expires and what action and notice

1232
02:03:41,790 --> 02:03:43,770
are required by the City to exercise that right.

1233
02:03:44,510 --> 02:03:47,150
I also believe that we should have a full discussion

1234
02:03:47,150 --> 02:03:48,550
about whether they are going to continue

1235
02:03:48,550 --> 02:03:50,370
to serve the best interests of the City

1236
02:03:50,370 --> 02:03:52,630
and its residents in light of what we know today

1237
02:03:52,990 --> 02:03:54,370
and the voices we heard tonight.

1238
02:03:54,370 --> 02:03:58,190
not simply what we knew, what we originally wanted.

1239
02:03:58,990 --> 02:04:02,170
We aren't being asked to advance the way out of this contract,

1240
02:04:02,510 --> 02:04:06,250
we are being asked to consider using the castration mechanism

1241
02:04:06,250 --> 02:04:08,610
that we asked for required in the contract.

1242
02:04:09,350 --> 02:04:11,370
I believe the rest is to sign a petition,

1243
02:04:11,550 --> 02:04:13,510
it's both tonight to zero this inciteration.

1244
02:04:14,170 --> 02:04:15,430
And I believe in the obligation,

1245
02:04:15,690 --> 02:04:19,370
as what artificial to listen to the nearing 2000 people

1246
02:04:19,370 --> 02:04:24,330
and the 51, actually, I think he's a couple of slow choice, maybe 48.

1247
02:04:26,310 --> 02:04:31,090
Because slow before us was a specific request for concern, and a contract to be approved.

1248
02:04:32,170 --> 02:04:35,690
I would therefore ask my fellow council members to join me in bringing the flock and then back

1249
02:04:35,690 --> 02:04:41,250
before council for this formal consideration, cancellation, and necessary legal, contractual,

1250
02:04:41,550 --> 02:04:42,870
information provided to us beforehand.

1251
02:04:46,820 --> 02:04:58,340
other members of council wish to make comments, their council comments, yeah the two P's way out of this one I'm gonna say she said what I wanted to say

1252
02:04:58,340 --> 02:04:59,800
I'm so out of here.

1253
02:05:00,000 --> 02:05:29,840
As you know, I am a co-owner of two businesses on and just adjacent to the square. So, and I've been contemplating to move to the square. And I love the idea of moving one of the businesses to the square and expanding and doing great things when I'm also very concerned because I'm part of the community to be much, okay, that is being targeted. And I love when somebody mentioned this evening about, you may not like the current administration and that you may not like the next

1254
02:05:29,840 --> 02:05:34,520
administration. And so, do you want them watching you? Do you want that? And that really

1255
02:05:34,520 --> 02:05:39,920
made it hard, and so I reinforced mine. And I do want to come into fact that we got a

1256
02:05:39,920 --> 02:05:48,100
lot of emails from a lot of people, but those didn't. But I have gotten one in favor.

1257
02:06:12,980 --> 02:06:18,880
Thank you so much for coming tonight and it reinforces my belief and my

1258
02:06:18,880 --> 02:06:21,040
I'm not regretting my no vote in February.

1259
02:06:21,460 --> 02:06:22,480
I stand by that vote.

1260
02:06:23,280 --> 02:06:26,500
And I'm very pleased to meet you all

1261
02:06:26,500 --> 02:06:28,900
to come and find speaker voices heard.

1262
02:06:29,780 --> 02:06:31,100
I think what was really impactful

1263
02:06:31,100 --> 02:06:33,520
was the statement about the iceberg.

1264
02:06:34,260 --> 02:06:36,900
And that does not go a no best.

1265
02:06:37,820 --> 02:06:41,020
It's not unusual to hear commentary

1266
02:06:41,520 --> 02:06:44,820
about a few people coming out

1267
02:06:44,820 --> 02:06:48,200
and not necessarily representing a vast majority of people.

1268
02:06:48,200 --> 02:06:55,360
However, I want to make it very clear that we have to take into consideration a lot of ideas

1269
02:06:55,360 --> 02:07:01,100
for those that are here tonight making their voices heard and for those who may be in support

1270
02:07:01,100 --> 02:07:07,800
of this contract who didn't show up. So we also have to think of them as well and weigh the pros

1271
02:07:07,800 --> 02:07:15,380
and the cons and the pluses and the minuses and track straight up balance between what I said back

1272
02:07:15,380 --> 02:07:25,820
February was a non-binary choice voting for it doesn't mean supporting mass

1273
02:07:25,820 --> 02:07:31,800
surveillance and voting if that's it doesn't mean we dislike law enforcement. It's

1274
02:07:31,800 --> 02:07:41,240
in particular to this company by which there are so many documented pieces of

1275
02:07:41,240 --> 02:07:50,880
information and cases and so many examples of it being misused and abused. And it's saying

1276
02:07:50,880 --> 02:07:56,000
that I'm not going to be a accusatory of our list of police departments. And somebody

1277
02:07:56,000 --> 02:08:05,660
also asked a question, I believe it was ran, had a list of questions, and one was hypothetical

1278
02:08:05,660 --> 02:08:12,080
asking the police department if they would trust the person sitting next to them and that

1279
02:08:12,080 --> 02:08:19,360
really was extremely impactful to me and I don't want to force any of the law enforcement

1280
02:08:19,360 --> 02:08:24,380
in this room and I won't speak for them but I'll just say my opinion and a response to

1281
02:08:24,380 --> 02:08:30,680
that. I literally have to trust the person next to them with their life and I just want

1282
02:08:30,680 --> 02:08:32,380
they have to kind of resonate as well,

1283
02:08:32,620 --> 02:08:35,420
be impactful for those in this room.

1284
02:08:37,200 --> 02:08:39,640
Law enforcement faces things differently.

1285
02:08:41,000 --> 02:08:42,960
And I don't want to walk into a room

1286
02:08:42,960 --> 02:08:45,020
and tell them how to do their job

1287
02:08:45,020 --> 02:08:47,160
and what tools they can and cannot use.

1288
02:08:47,320 --> 02:08:49,300
But I've also had to take into consideration

1289
02:08:49,300 --> 02:08:50,680
this particular company,

1290
02:08:50,680 --> 02:08:53,500
and that's why I don't regret my vote in February,

1291
02:08:53,520 --> 02:08:54,580
which was a no-go.

1292
02:08:55,000 --> 02:08:55,420
I

1293
02:08:57,470 --> 02:08:57,890
mean, I'm

1294
02:09:03,200 --> 02:09:07,710
sure you want videos

1295
02:09:22,590 --> 02:09:23,150
The

1296
02:09:34,480 --> 02:09:39,880
core of the end likeness in this chamber is part of how we conduct business here.

1297
02:09:40,280 --> 02:09:44,460
We do a free and disagree, and we spend respectful each other.

1298
02:09:44,640 --> 02:09:48,960
And I would ask you the same from the other members of the council.

1299
02:09:54,100 --> 02:09:56,720
I would go ahead and wrap up with council comments.

1300
02:09:58,180 --> 02:09:59,940
I'm going to start with figuring that out.

1301
02:10:02,160 --> 02:10:03,500
Right, figurine guy.

1302
02:10:08,360 --> 02:10:32,140
Figurine guy. All right, tongue in, tongue in cheek. Nobody's watching you by figurines. Okay. That's just not how this is the work. And I know that then the press in an opposition, that there are these, you know, these statements about, you know, how it's being used. Okay.

1303
02:10:32,140 --> 02:10:37,460
how everybody's being tracked okay you are not being tracked there's nobody

1304
02:10:37,460 --> 02:10:43,380
sitting watching the monitor okay it just doesn't work that way okay I know

1305
02:10:43,380 --> 02:10:47,880
that it's been said elsewhere I know there's been abuses of it okay I know there's

1306
02:10:47,880 --> 02:10:56,980
there's bad actor cops who've stopped exits okay and for that they should be they

1307
02:10:56,980 --> 02:11:01,380
should lose their job they should be civilly libel and if criminally charged they

1308
02:11:01,380 --> 02:11:02,800
to be able to be permanently charged.

1309
02:11:03,860 --> 02:11:10,640
Miss using any tool, whether it's a car, body hand, gun,

1310
02:11:11,680 --> 02:11:14,740
taser, any other databases or systems

1311
02:11:14,740 --> 02:11:17,720
that all police departments law enforcement agencies

1312
02:11:17,720 --> 02:11:20,380
use across the United States, which

1313
02:11:20,380 --> 02:11:27,260
are pretty violently important to them managing some bad actors

1314
02:11:27,260 --> 02:11:28,040
in society.

1315
02:11:28,040 --> 02:11:37,580
So, any misuse of that, all right, should be absolutely hammered or in the reactions

1316
02:11:37,580 --> 02:11:37,980
of that.

1317
02:11:38,200 --> 02:11:45,660
And those bad things can happen, absent-flock, and they have, fortunately none was not,

1318
02:11:46,100 --> 02:11:46,420
okay?

1319
02:11:47,240 --> 02:11:50,420
Fortunately none was not, but they can happen.

1320
02:11:50,420 --> 02:11:58,980
Now, I think that, you know, I heard of exit comments about being completely against surveillance

1321
02:11:59,310 --> 02:12:04,140
and some people saying, oh, we're not against surveillance or cops and, you know, we're just

1322
02:12:04,140 --> 02:12:04,700
against law.

1323
02:12:04,840 --> 02:12:05,280
And that's fine.

1324
02:12:05,940 --> 02:12:13,900
And I've found the passion and the intensity that you all bring to the table here, okay?

1325
02:12:13,900 --> 02:12:26,160
And I understand that I understand the frustration when the politicians that you know that you're watching and that are supposed to serve you, don't agree with you.

1326
02:12:26,260 --> 02:12:35,580
I share that. I get frustrated, nationally, state, okay, even locally at times when we don't agree. That's the nature of the system.

1327
02:12:35,580 --> 02:12:54,320
When I want to offer up for me is that for the stories and examples and concern that people here have, there is another side to this of people that have been helped, crimes that have been solved.

1328
02:12:54,320 --> 02:12:59,640
Okay, and one in particular locally named Reprove, nine-year-old girl,

1329
02:13:00,280 --> 02:13:03,920
are taken by somebody sexually assaulted.

1330
02:13:04,880 --> 02:13:11,340
Flock, LPRs were absolutely filed in the quick apprehension of that, of that suspect.

1331
02:13:12,040 --> 02:13:19,140
Okay, here in Woodstock, on December 31st, 2025, the Wal-Mart Arsenal, okay,

1332
02:13:19,140 --> 02:13:29,420
I remember getting the call from the city manager and talking to the police chief and we looked we had somebody like a Walmart an

1333
02:13:29,420 --> 02:13:41,100
arsonist on fire with liquid. I mean that is a heinous crime and that doesn't happen in wood stuff. My immediate concern is what what's the

1334
02:13:41,100 --> 02:13:48,820
what's the risk to the public? Who is this person? How are we going to find them? Are they going

1335
02:13:48,820 --> 02:13:55,600
to go somewhere else and do the same thing? And one of the, what happened in that particular

1336
02:13:55,600 --> 02:14:04,580
situation is that grainy Wal-Mart video captured a portion of the car and a portion of the license plate.

1337
02:14:04,580 --> 02:14:12,940
And the LPR camera that we used was able to match on that and find a direction of color.

1338
02:14:13,520 --> 02:14:23,180
And because of that, our officers apprehended that suspect in less than three hours, three hours.

1339
02:14:23,520 --> 02:14:30,280
In three hours, we were able to give internally for us as of a public at large,

1340
02:14:30,280 --> 02:14:35,200
and all clear, basically, that we felt we had the person, okay?

1341
02:14:37,320 --> 02:14:39,620
There's community value in that.

1342
02:14:39,980 --> 02:14:41,780
There's policing value in that.

1343
02:14:42,380 --> 02:14:52,400
And so when I look at this tool and try to reconcile the intense and understandable,

1344
02:14:52,400 --> 02:14:57,980
not times with understandable feelings against it, what I do in my role is I have to,

1345
02:14:57,980 --> 02:14:59,760
And then I believe all of our siblings have.

1346
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:28,440
I trust these people up here, even though we don't agree, at times. I have to weigh that against the other side of the point here. And there are literally tens of thousands upon tens of thousands of examples of this tool when it's appropriately used, being highly effective. And while you may not want to hear a few people said, you know, don't use the public safety agreement, sorry,

1347
02:15:28,440 --> 02:15:43,880
that would work. Our number one job is public safety up here, okay? 1A, 1B, 1C, 1D is public safety, water, sewer, roads. That's it. That's our core. Everything else is secondary.

1348
02:15:44,600 --> 02:15:54,300
If we don't take steps to ensure the safety of our public, then we're failing at our jobs. Now, does that mean we give up civil liberties? Absolutely.

1349
02:15:54,300 --> 02:15:54,900
Absolutely not.

1350
02:15:55,000 --> 02:15:56,960
Does that mean we do things outside the Fourth Amendment?

1351
02:15:57,500 --> 02:15:58,340
Absolutely not.

1352
02:15:58,720 --> 02:16:01,240
To that, we mean we do things that are more illegal

1353
02:16:01,240 --> 02:16:02,300
or anything like that.

1354
02:16:02,680 --> 02:16:03,380
Absolutely not.

1355
02:16:03,720 --> 02:16:06,320
We operate under the laws of the Constitution

1356
02:16:06,680 --> 02:16:08,880
above the U.S. and the state of Illinois

1357
02:16:08,880 --> 02:16:10,540
and the laws of the state of Illinois

1358
02:16:11,020 --> 02:16:13,680
and even as it relates to the usage of this tool.

1359
02:16:14,340 --> 02:16:17,180
So while I mentioned Fourth Amendment, T.J.,

1360
02:16:17,180 --> 02:16:19,400
I know a lot of the discussion online tonight,

1361
02:16:19,820 --> 02:16:23,740
what is the current status of these tools?

1362
02:16:23,740 --> 02:16:26,700
This tool in particular relative to the 4th amendment.

1363
02:16:27,900 --> 02:16:33,980
At this point, the Supreme Court of other courts have considered different types of surveillance.

1364
02:16:35,360 --> 02:16:42,720
At this point, the determination has been made that the LPR's, this stationary security cameras do not constitute a search.

1365
02:16:42,720 --> 02:16:45,800
which person in charge means it's not a violation of the fourth women.

1366
02:16:46,220 --> 02:16:52,100
There are cases pending to case in per fall, where there's the 176 LPR cameras,

1367
02:16:52,640 --> 02:16:57,020
the district court phone that is not a fourth women's search, that's up on appeal.

1368
02:16:57,560 --> 02:17:01,580
And in the last brief, we were like, the end of July, plus stuff was certainly monitoring.

1369
02:17:02,180 --> 02:17:07,560
But at this point in time, the case law is found that these type of surveillance

1370
02:17:07,560 --> 02:17:13,680
Americans are not searches. And if that changes, then we change what we're doing on that

1371
02:17:13,680 --> 02:17:19,700
single, single basis. Okay, but we are following the requirements before the men. You only

1372
02:17:19,700 --> 02:17:24,900
not like every people that are concerned about it may not like it. Okay, but it is, it is something

1373
02:17:24,900 --> 02:17:30,560
that we absolutely follow. And if something changes, we will have absolutely change, change with it.

1374
02:17:30,780 --> 02:17:34,360
Because part of the discussion, and this wasn't extensive discussion. In fact,

1375
02:17:34,360 --> 02:17:43,660
license plate, I'm sorry, the cameras came before us last November 25 and we actually pulled

1376
02:17:43,660 --> 02:17:52,480
back and actually Darren was the leader in challenging council to do that to pull back

1377
02:17:52,480 --> 02:18:00,380
and challenge the chief, our staff and council let's take a deeper look at other options

1378
02:18:00,380 --> 02:18:09,260
which we did. And we took an extensive next meeting in February of 26 that many of you

1379
02:18:09,260 --> 02:18:14,600
are on the periphery, too, and may have attended, where we try to thoughtfully hear the concerns

1380
02:18:14,600 --> 02:18:24,040
of everyone. And controversial issues sometimes produce full counsel votes. And I can tell

1381
02:18:24,040 --> 02:18:30,080
you that for me, the issues that I hear, the fear that I hear, does resonate.

1382
02:18:30,220 --> 02:18:34,180
You may not believe it because my stance on it, but it does absolutely resonate.

1383
02:18:35,100 --> 02:18:42,600
I heard some interesting ideas to make add to our general order that we put in place and

1384
02:18:42,600 --> 02:18:49,460
part that she took. It was, it was from my dear name. Nation. Nation. So you're

1385
02:18:49,460 --> 02:18:50,720
certain that I'm lying, right?

1386
02:18:52,840 --> 02:18:59,640
I do read it. I don't respond, but I do read it. The concept

1387
02:18:59,640 --> 02:19:05,520
of incorporating that given independent review, very intriguing. Very intriguing, and I think

1388
02:19:05,520 --> 02:19:10,140
highly, highly appropriate. You know, the switch over to the seven days, I think that's an

1389
02:19:10,140 --> 02:19:14,620
appropriate move by my flock and I support us changing that. I think that

1390
02:19:14,620 --> 02:19:21,520
administratively the chief of rosto can can can can do that. I believe that flock

1391
02:19:21,520 --> 02:19:25,780
has tightened up and we even had they have put some things in our direction

1392
02:19:25,780 --> 02:19:30,960
about case about case numbers auditing and it proves the individual office are

1393
02:19:30,960 --> 02:19:36,140
going in and looking. Flot is also put in some things if I read it right here in

1394
02:19:36,140 --> 02:19:43,920
last week or two about looking at using their tool to flag somebody that does the same inquiry on the

1395
02:19:43,920 --> 02:19:50,380
same car for like three times and that automatically produces a warning you know to the to the

1396
02:19:50,380 --> 02:19:59,360
administrators of the unit and and then also identifying you know officers and who's who's making those

1397
02:20:00,720 --> 02:20:29,980
So, I remain because of the net positive I see. I remain supportive of our current usage of it, but I believe that we need to continue to refine these things. I think it can and should, because you all will be a public discussion, and that's good. And I'm going to also ask Roscoe to direct the chief that we should, on a regular basis.

1398
02:20:29,980 --> 02:20:37,000
basis, whether it's every six to 12 months, look at alternatives. Are there alternatives because

1399
02:20:37,000 --> 02:20:44,120
we put that cancellation clause in there for a reason? Are there alternatives? CCTV isn't option

1400
02:20:44,120 --> 02:20:50,480
that others use but it's functionality compared to flock and the speed with which we can act on

1401
02:20:50,480 --> 02:20:53,300
on a bad violent or, you know, criminal offense,

1402
02:20:54,260 --> 02:20:58,960
that has value to us in protecting public safety

1403
02:20:58,960 --> 02:21:00,700
and taking action.

1404
02:21:01,460 --> 02:21:04,960
So when I add it all, I'm still a net,

1405
02:21:05,240 --> 02:21:08,360
a net, a net of, in a very net agreement

1406
02:21:08,360 --> 02:21:11,200
with the continued use of law

1407
02:21:11,540 --> 02:21:13,560
that I want those items to be in there.

1408
02:21:13,860 --> 02:21:16,340
Now, if you came here expecting us to do a vote

1409
02:21:16,880 --> 02:21:19,660
and turn out, and the contract,

1410
02:21:19,660 --> 02:21:27,400
We couldn't do that legally because this is not an item for discussion tonight, and it's not an item for action on a contract.

1411
02:21:27,900 --> 02:21:35,260
So that's, we have procedures and rules related to the open meeting act and our way of conducting business.

1412
02:21:35,520 --> 02:21:37,620
So that was never an option.

1413
02:21:38,320 --> 02:21:42,760
I will continue to maintain contact with all individual council members.

1414
02:21:42,760 --> 02:21:50,600
And if a majority of council members want to bring it forward, you know, or if I want to bring forward,

1415
02:21:50,860 --> 02:21:53,940
that's how we trigger it getting on a future agenda.

1416
02:21:54,460 --> 02:21:56,880
At this point, support for that's not there.

1417
02:21:57,380 --> 02:21:59,200
But you absolutely have our attention.

1418
02:21:59,500 --> 02:22:00,600
You have my attention.

1419
02:22:01,400 --> 02:22:04,680
And you have my commitment that even though we disagree,

1420
02:22:05,440 --> 02:22:09,660
that I will maintain vigilance over the contract, the function,

1421
02:22:09,660 --> 02:22:12,920
and make sure that we continue to look at alternatives

1422
02:22:13,240 --> 02:22:18,840
and if there's any issues with Flop that I feel

1423
02:22:18,840 --> 02:22:24,140
are compromising how the privacy of our community

1424
02:22:24,140 --> 02:22:28,260
or individuals, we will absolutely act upon that.

1425
02:22:28,520 --> 02:22:31,860
At this point, based upon the rules we have in place,

1426
02:22:32,440 --> 02:22:34,880
I remain comfortable at this point in time

1427
02:22:35,280 --> 02:22:36,760
with maintaining what we have.

1428
02:22:36,760 --> 02:22:36,840
Yes.

1429
02:22:37,740 --> 02:22:40,920
My key did say that the court was on the other

1430
02:22:43,220 --> 02:22:44,940
side.

1431
02:22:46,040 --> 02:22:49,760
Those council members who did under public comment could choose to make comments or not.

1432
02:22:50,220 --> 02:22:54,700
I've pulled the council members prior to the speeding one or one and at this point as

1433
02:22:54,700 --> 02:22:59,480
the chair of the body as the chair of the body there was not an interest in doing so.

1434
02:22:59,820 --> 02:23:04,760
If tomorrow morning or next week or next month that changes, then it is very dangerous

1435
02:23:04,760 --> 02:23:06,560
because we just heard all those two hours in the comment.

1436
02:23:08,450 --> 02:23:14,790
I'll let those those council members could choose to make comments and see if they if they don't want to that's their preference

1437
02:23:15,330 --> 02:23:18,570
under under council council comments and

1438
02:23:18,570 --> 02:23:19,070
the

1439
02:23:19,070 --> 02:23:25,910
You know they're thoughtful consideration maybe different than yours or mine or anybody else's and they make shoes to just

1440
02:23:26,730 --> 02:23:30,390
Contemplate and they know that that they can weigh in with being individually

1441
02:23:31,090 --> 02:23:38,090
And if there there's a change again tomorrow a week month six months, then we have that opportunity

1442
02:23:41,110 --> 02:23:44,150
Okay, that takes us to the end of counter-comments.

1443
02:23:44,650 --> 02:23:47,150
We will be moving into the consent calendar next,

1444
02:23:47,270 --> 02:23:49,470
but we will be taking a file rate.

1445
02:23:49,890 --> 02:23:52,050
It's now 948 PM.

1446
02:23:52,730 --> 02:23:57,230
We will reconvene at 1025 PM.

1447
02:40:00,340 --> 02:40:09,200
Okay, ladies and gentlemen, it is 10.05, calling us back to order out of our recess for

1448
02:40:13,930 --> 02:40:26,650
a continuation of the long-state youth, 2026, and the rest of the city council. Next item on the agenda, this evening, is the consent calendar. A motion for concurrence would be in order, some motion by council.

1449
02:40:36,670 --> 02:40:44,650
I'm going to move to the

1450
02:40:49,740 --> 02:40:52,420
public,

1451
02:40:55,790 --> 02:41:04,730
push down an item, move to the second, oh Dean, I'm sorry, thank you, and D2, D2, D2, D1, D2 are also, D2 is also a move to the public,

1452
02:41:04,730 --> 02:41:06,290
and council

1453
02:41:08,660 --> 02:41:11,080
final have opportunity and the other few which remove

1454
02:41:12,540 --> 02:41:17,040
There's a public and items that you wish remove for separate consideration voting to it.

1455
02:41:22,900 --> 02:41:24,340
Opportunity members of the public

1456
02:41:25,180 --> 02:41:26,000
Very none

1457
02:41:26,540 --> 02:41:29,980
Consent calendars there for a firm and consists of all items a

1458
02:41:30,660 --> 02:41:37,120
D5 with the exception of D1 D2 and D3 which have been removed for separate consideration both

1459
02:41:37,660 --> 02:41:39,680
Council, I turn to you and ask if there's any questions

1460
02:41:39,680 --> 02:41:41,780
any of the main items on the consent calendar.

1461
02:41:43,280 --> 02:41:45,480
Council, Darren, which I have.

1462
02:41:46,320 --> 02:41:47,820
If there are any questions,

1463
02:41:48,700 --> 02:41:50,580
Council, the other items for questions or comments.

1464
02:41:51,600 --> 02:41:53,080
And that's the thing that's in the comments.

1465
02:41:53,460 --> 02:41:53,640
Okay.

1466
02:41:54,720 --> 02:41:57,840
And the other's council, there are other members of the public.

1467
02:41:58,020 --> 02:42:00,260
Any items that you wish to ask questions

1468
02:42:00,260 --> 02:42:02,520
or make comments on it that will remain on the consent calendar.

1469
02:42:04,060 --> 02:42:05,680
Here, you know, request for members of the public

1470
02:42:05,680 --> 02:42:06,620
I'm going to request for comments.

1471
02:42:06,820 --> 02:42:10,200
I've turned to council for the item that can be had

1472
02:42:10,200 --> 02:42:11,740
or had a question or comment on it.

1473
02:42:11,880 --> 02:42:12,780
I have a D file out there.

1474
02:42:13,400 --> 02:42:15,000
I submitted the print of 301.

1475
02:42:15,000 --> 02:42:16,540
I was looking at it as it says,

1476
02:42:16,760 --> 02:42:20,580
we're ordering four by two trucks on both the 250s and 350s.

1477
02:42:21,040 --> 02:42:23,100
And then we're going to put the first up on the side.

1478
02:42:23,100 --> 02:42:24,800
I guess I'm hoping to clarify,

1479
02:42:25,200 --> 02:42:26,900
I'm just wondering, does the price reflect

1480
02:42:27,440 --> 02:42:29,820
the four-match order with the options that are selected?

1481
02:42:30,020 --> 02:42:30,220
Yes.

1482
02:42:30,580 --> 02:42:32,380
The price reflects the four-match order

1483
02:42:32,380 --> 02:42:34,300
on all three-match orders.

1484
02:42:34,300 --> 02:42:41,760
Okay, so okay, I just want to make sure and it's like will they send it over to advice because it looks like that came from the dealership as a part of my team.

1485
02:42:42,300 --> 02:42:46,340
Well, it was actually, it was actually a key out there on our side.

1486
02:42:47,000 --> 02:42:49,840
So what went to the dealership actually is what

1487
02:42:59,660 --> 02:43:01,440
was, you know, a few pounds of dollars different.

1488
02:43:04,270 --> 02:43:07,890
So I'm trying to make it a consent and original one for you.

1489
02:43:08,070 --> 02:43:08,150
Yes sir.

1490
02:43:09,550 --> 02:43:10,350
Thank you.

1491
02:43:10,370 --> 02:43:12,130
Yeah, well listen to your question and leave on.

1492
02:43:12,130 --> 02:43:16,610
It was just to confirm that these were part of the CIPID approved to be mentioned.

1493
02:43:17,170 --> 02:43:17,710
Yes, it is.

1494
02:43:19,090 --> 02:43:21,490
Can I have any other questions on item B5?

1495
02:43:22,430 --> 02:43:24,390
You've got the public and questions on item B5.

1496
02:43:25,270 --> 02:43:31,410
All right, the consent calendar has been affirmed with a motion of a second for approval of all items A through D5,

1497
02:43:31,790 --> 02:43:36,450
with the exception of D1 and D2 and D3, which have been approved for second consideration voting.

1498
02:43:36,450 --> 02:43:39,130
The question comes from motion before us.

1499
02:43:39,310 --> 02:43:42,370
There is a public in question of motion before us, is the motion approved?

1500
02:43:43,010 --> 02:43:44,030
Any questions from members?

1501
02:43:44,470 --> 02:43:45,750
Councilor members of the public.

1502
02:43:46,430 --> 02:43:48,390
Please call the roll of motion before us.

1503
02:43:50,150 --> 02:43:50,270
Yes.

1504
02:43:51,310 --> 02:43:52,110
Councilor Henson.

1505
02:43:52,530 --> 02:43:52,710
Yes.

1506
02:43:53,290 --> 02:43:54,250
Councilwoman MacMahon.

1507
02:43:54,570 --> 02:43:54,730
Yes.

1508
02:43:55,250 --> 02:43:55,730
Councilor Nguyen.

1509
02:43:56,090 --> 02:43:56,310
Yes.

1510
02:43:56,790 --> 02:43:57,370
Councilor Nguyen.

1511
02:43:57,790 --> 02:43:57,930
Yes.

1512
02:43:58,350 --> 02:43:59,310
Councilor Nguyen Ziemba.

1513
02:43:59,550 --> 02:43:59,670
Yes.

1514
02:44:00,070 --> 02:44:00,550
Mayor Chauvin.

1515
02:44:00,630 --> 02:44:00,790
Yes.

1516
02:44:01,230 --> 02:44:05,990
Those items that remain in the second column under our past report is with the staff report.

1517
02:44:05,990 --> 02:44:10,070
That takes us to the items that are removed for separate consideration and voting.

1518
02:44:10,530 --> 02:44:30,210
For the purposes of discussion, I am combining the discussion of D1 and D2 because there are related to the same, essentially the same project, we will have to pass our vote on them separately, but for the purpose of discussion, I am moving both of those.

1519
02:44:30,210 --> 02:44:33,970
I understand there's members of the public that are here that wish to

1520
02:44:33,970 --> 02:44:38,330
make comments on those proposals. Does that have a case?

1521
02:44:39,970 --> 02:44:42,090
Okay, feel free to come forward if you'd like.

1522
02:44:42,770 --> 02:44:43,330
Question

1523
02:44:53,020 --> 02:44:58,540
here is commenting on the presentation made earlier by the

1524
02:44:58,540 --> 02:44:59,920
and all members of the whole group.

1525
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:29,880
This is a work of time. It is. Absolutely. Okay. Then, then, I, and we'll, we have a couple others that want to share a tag on it. So, um, maybe I'll slide five. I have the. Good evening, Mayor. Um, Mayor Turner, members of council and staff. My name is John McNamara. I reside at my wife, Diane at 13 North Street, one of the bronze stones. I'm an artist.

1526
02:45:29,880 --> 02:45:32,580
project and urban signing and design consultant,

1527
02:45:33,060 --> 02:45:35,680
and if I've been involved in transit-oriented design

1528
02:45:35,680 --> 02:45:39,200
and development projects, and over a dozen major US

1529
02:45:39,200 --> 02:45:41,640
central areas over the last 45 years.

1530
02:45:42,400 --> 02:45:46,400
Tonight, I am here representing the Brownstone's H-O-A,

1531
02:45:46,800 --> 02:45:50,060
which includes all 10 rural houses located

1532
02:45:50,060 --> 02:45:52,280
in the middle of the Woodstock station site,

1533
02:45:52,420 --> 02:45:54,300
or of course, the former.s site.

1534
02:45:54,820 --> 02:45:57,100
As a follow-up for our attendance yet,

1535
02:45:57,100 --> 02:46:00,960
that your public workshop last September,

1536
02:46:01,340 --> 02:46:03,860
where you were considering the two finalists

1537
02:46:03,860 --> 02:46:06,320
for, as you would have selected,

1538
02:46:06,460 --> 02:46:07,840
move forward with project development.

1539
02:46:08,480 --> 02:46:10,000
And then of course, your city council meeting

1540
02:46:10,000 --> 02:46:13,460
of May 19th, just a couple of months ago,

1541
02:46:13,960 --> 02:46:15,920
where you were doing project progress

1542
02:46:16,480 --> 02:46:18,140
with the emergency building group.

1543
02:46:18,500 --> 02:46:20,780
And then I'll follow meetings with Jessica

1544
02:46:21,040 --> 02:46:23,020
and a lot of correspondence that's going back

1545
02:46:23,020 --> 02:46:24,620
and forth between Jessica and herself.

1546
02:46:24,620 --> 02:46:30,440
So, in others, I'm here tonight to present our serious concerns with the current Murphy

1547
02:46:30,440 --> 02:46:35,600
Development proposed site plan and you're going to also hear a few comments on the

1548
02:46:35,600 --> 02:46:41,040
redevelopment agreement from others, in which there was comments on the site plan focusing

1549
02:46:41,040 --> 02:46:42,620
in generally four areas.

1550
02:46:43,260 --> 02:46:49,060
The first being barking and transportation, the second being building and passing, the third

1551
02:46:49,060 --> 02:46:52,600
the architectural character and the last being exciting development.

1552
02:46:55,220 --> 02:46:56,300
Starting out with

1553
02:46:56,300 --> 02:47:04,800
transportation and parking as per usual area. As many as you know, I had probably repeatedly

1554
02:47:04,800 --> 02:47:12,080
sent another public forums at Clay Street is a transportation disaster. And it serves as a

1555
02:47:12,080 --> 02:47:17,420
minor collector in the city's street system carrying between 3,000 and 5,000 cars a day depending

1556
02:47:17,420 --> 02:47:19,600
depending on where you are and the corridor

1557
02:47:20,200 --> 02:47:22,400
and handle a significant global traffic,

1558
02:47:22,620 --> 02:47:25,460
including the school buses, emergency vehicles

1559
02:47:25,460 --> 02:47:27,220
that are each ordering off of,

1560
02:47:27,400 --> 02:47:30,320
gave off 47 because of traffic jams

1561
02:47:30,320 --> 02:47:32,400
and so forth there because I can move faster.

1562
02:47:33,380 --> 02:47:35,040
Significant pedestrian traffic

1563
02:47:35,040 --> 02:47:38,540
and bicycle traffic to and from the square,

1564
02:47:39,260 --> 02:47:42,080
the railroad station and anywhere in the downtown area

1565
02:47:42,080 --> 02:47:44,480
because that is the major corridor

1566
02:47:44,480 --> 02:47:50,140
from the northeast neighborhoods and of course it has scattered parking and

1567
02:47:50,140 --> 02:47:55,600
handicaps cases located along at particularly south of North Street, between

1568
02:47:55,600 --> 02:47:59,560
North Street and Church Street, which courses the commercial area as well as

1569
02:47:59,560 --> 02:48:05,620
a number of public agencies along there. So as a result it's a two-lane street that

1570
02:48:05,620 --> 02:48:11,200
beanders back and forth as you move down it and access in and out of it is rather

1571
02:48:11,200 --> 02:48:18,280
difficult. Now the working development proposal has increased the number of units that you

1572
02:48:18,280 --> 02:48:26,360
all heard of a little earlier from 156 units overall, the project 287 units, about 20% increase,

1573
02:48:27,020 --> 02:48:32,800
that increase also increases the traffic volumes. And so we're looking at a traffic volume before

1574
02:48:32,800 --> 02:48:37,400
or at the 156 unit, level of maybe 950, I'm sorry,

1575
02:48:37,600 --> 02:48:41,660
or roughly 750 to 900 trips per day.

1576
02:48:42,060 --> 02:48:45,020
That jumps up to 950 to 1150 a day

1577
02:48:45,020 --> 02:48:48,400
when you increase units up to 187.

1578
02:48:49,240 --> 02:48:52,560
So, and all of those trips, most of all of those trips,

1579
02:48:52,780 --> 02:48:54,120
have to use place-free,

1580
02:48:54,420 --> 02:48:56,580
somehow get in and out of that area

1581
02:48:57,200 --> 02:48:59,800
unless we tap seriously about doing some things

1582
02:48:59,800 --> 02:49:03,780
short street to create another access over one point and over.

1583
02:49:03,940 --> 02:49:05,980
Would you say the majority of those trips will be south?

1584
02:49:07,120 --> 02:49:10,220
Would you say to again, yes, the majority of those trips will be south.

1585
02:49:10,700 --> 02:49:11,880
Did the trip go south?

1586
02:49:12,240 --> 02:49:12,400
Yup.

1587
02:49:12,820 --> 02:49:19,080
So, and of course, we've got the extensive traffic to the railroad station

1588
02:49:19,660 --> 02:49:21,940
as well as the only environment human services

1589
02:49:21,940 --> 02:49:25,080
which nobody seems to ever be paying attention to.

1590
02:49:25,080 --> 02:49:32,420
And, of course, the nighttime graphic, and weekend graphic that mixes with S-creams and

1591
02:49:32,420 --> 02:49:36,360
all the bills because of the against, or if you place up the number for it.

1592
02:49:36,660 --> 02:49:42,840
So all of this transportation chaos has really not been addressed in any development proposals

1593
02:49:42,840 --> 02:49:48,260
up to this point of time, is still kind of being ignored and that's what I'm saying, kind

1594
02:49:48,260 --> 02:49:50,140
of bringing everybody's attention.

1595
02:49:50,140 --> 02:49:55,780
I'm not necessarily laying this on her feet, and I'm laying this on the city as my feet

1596
02:49:55,780 --> 02:49:59,880
are going because I think we're looking at it, so meet your problems here.

1597
02:50:00,560 --> 02:50:06,740
That's the high sign there. The secondary interpretation parking is the use of the bronze stones

1598
02:50:06,740 --> 02:50:13,880
right away, from major access and parking to the development. That driveway was initially

1599
02:50:13,880 --> 02:50:20,940
designed to serve us ten units, the general laws as they exist today, and another ten

1600
02:50:20,940 --> 02:50:24,960
row offices on the other side, if they were to be developed and we all look for the history

1601
02:50:24,960 --> 02:50:29,900
of all of that. However, that's not going to be ten units anymore on the other side. It's

1602
02:50:29,900 --> 02:50:36,480
It's going to be 30% and you start beginning to talk about using that right where you can access

1603
02:50:36,480 --> 02:50:42,360
parking lots and access the branches, the construction branches that will be in that

1604
02:50:42,360 --> 02:50:45,040
building and some significant issues there.

1605
02:50:48,760 --> 02:50:57,360
So I think we really, as an organization, feel that we really need to be emphasizing and working

1606
02:50:57,360 --> 02:51:05,780
develop and really need to be emphasizing the use of null and use of a Wheeler as the major

1607
02:51:05,780 --> 02:51:12,660
accesses and entries to the new project. And Jessica and I looked at some options as

1608
02:51:12,660 --> 02:51:21,240
to how some of that's going to happen earlier. So we need a second to get brought up here.

1609
02:51:21,800 --> 02:51:25,240
And as I've also made, as I've also made certain earlier presentations,

1610
02:51:25,240 --> 02:51:32,240
The Brown School's HR way has maintained this strongly as a private product for over 20 years,

1611
02:51:32,380 --> 02:51:38,340
well for nearly 20 years, including the snowfalling and regular resealing program every three years.

1612
02:51:38,540 --> 02:51:40,720
So we've got it, significant investment in that.

1613
02:51:41,740 --> 02:51:45,860
So all of that information is moving on to the second issue area of building massing.

1614
02:51:46,440 --> 02:51:53,640
Currently, the perfect development proposal presents numerous, and then we can go to Slack 6 and 7,

1615
02:51:53,640 --> 02:52:02,440
just kind of click on for a minute, numerous architectural character references from the square,

1616
02:52:02,920 --> 02:52:05,200
from the nearby historic districts and neighborhoods.

1617
02:52:05,820 --> 02:52:12,440
None of which are of the scale of what they're talking about in terms of size and building.

1618
02:52:13,360 --> 02:52:19,980
You know, the courthouse and the old bank building on the square are probably the two biggest things they look at.

1619
02:52:19,980 --> 02:52:30,740
But we're not, we're talking about a building, 258 feet long, where they flat the side facing the back of the ground stones.

1620
02:52:31,300 --> 02:52:40,640
And the exact similar building, almost the exact similar, flip-flop over Neil Street, that would be back up to a partner on the adjacent to the transition.

1621
02:52:40,640 --> 02:52:47,100
That is a massive building. It's a building that's just a little small, it's just a little shy of a football field.

1622
02:52:47,800 --> 02:52:59,840
And as a result, that's not something I think has been experienced in terms of a large scale multi-family building anywhere in Woodstock.

1623
02:52:59,840 --> 02:53:03,560
of three or four stories fall in that one.

1624
02:53:03,900 --> 02:53:05,840
So I think it's a little bit of a misnower

1625
02:53:06,270 --> 02:53:09,040
to be driving millions like those,

1626
02:53:09,400 --> 02:53:12,980
those two, leveling all the others on this project.

1627
02:53:13,460 --> 02:53:14,740
We're talking about buildings there

1628
02:53:14,740 --> 02:53:17,820
at least 200 feet long and some will come up

1629
02:53:17,820 --> 02:53:21,100
the length of 250 feet, which is what these two are.

1630
02:53:22,560 --> 02:53:25,500
And as a result, the architecture,

1631
02:53:25,760 --> 02:53:27,360
particularly on the backs of those buildings

1632
02:53:27,360 --> 02:53:28,980
is not going to be very attractive.

1633
02:53:28,980 --> 02:53:32,820
the long factor saw and 22 parking broadens.

1634
02:53:33,520 --> 02:53:35,720
So I think that's something that needs to be really

1635
02:53:36,150 --> 02:53:39,660
looked seriously yet because we need to be looking

1636
02:53:39,660 --> 02:53:41,380
at, you know, we don't know the strip,

1637
02:53:41,540 --> 02:53:42,060
you know, the hammer.

1638
02:53:43,100 --> 02:53:44,720
And no, this will be multiple buildings.

1639
02:53:45,120 --> 02:53:46,540
And before it was a lot less,

1640
02:53:47,120 --> 02:53:48,280
I wrote it was a lot more buildings,

1641
02:53:48,540 --> 02:53:51,140
the smaller scale and a little bit easier to handle

1642
02:53:51,140 --> 02:53:53,840
in terms of all the buildings scattered around the site

1643
02:53:53,840 --> 02:53:57,480
that could be just like five to the early plan.

1644
02:53:57,480 --> 02:54:03,780
and four times the number of which, but these buildings,

1645
02:54:03,920 --> 02:54:06,460
if we're not careful, I'm gonna look at warehouses

1646
02:54:06,460 --> 02:54:08,540
or farms, they are massive.

1647
02:54:09,380 --> 02:54:11,340
And they are just nothing like it in which

1648
02:54:11,340 --> 02:54:13,300
I can let you go look at industrial buildings

1649
02:54:13,300 --> 02:54:15,320
or Walmart or something like that.

1650
02:54:16,020 --> 02:54:17,740
So, they're totally out of characters

1651
02:54:17,740 --> 02:54:19,720
for as work and symbolism association

1652
02:54:20,200 --> 02:54:22,760
with both neighborhoods and historic districts adjacent.

1653
02:54:23,380 --> 02:54:25,000
Third issue, architectural character.

1654
02:54:25,000 --> 02:54:31,260
Again, working development did an analysis and looked at the fellow character references

1655
02:54:31,260 --> 02:54:37,280
to the illustrator in slide 67, and portrayed various references there, looking at such

1656
02:54:37,280 --> 02:54:43,640
things, including ronsons, or looked at, including such things as a desire of speculation,

1657
02:54:44,700 --> 02:54:53,280
front and side of porches, anti-geworkation, desired texture variations, and the various skilled

1658
02:54:53,280 --> 02:54:59,960
Forges and not forges, I'm sorry, periscope, pitch groups, and of course tribal groups.

1659
02:55:00,000 --> 02:55:10,820
All right, some of those ideas and concepts into the new new development. I think they could do more of that is what I'm going to add here. Again, as a relating to the building

1660
02:55:10,820 --> 02:55:26,820
passing, but also more of that on these buildings right now, they're putting a little bit of work down on the first floor, but a little bit. And now a lot of society up above at different angles, obviously, that creates a different texture.

1661
02:55:26,820 --> 02:55:36,240
But that's, there's a lot of extensive lectures on big buildings here that we think are not necessarily keeping with the neighborhood so far.

1662
02:55:36,900 --> 02:55:47,980
And lastly, a lack of overall site development in urban amenities, where I'm going without that one, is when you take a look at the site plan,

1663
02:55:47,980 --> 02:55:54,660
And I was like, I'm talking about the news like them, yeah, there we go.

1664
02:55:55,880 --> 02:56:01,740
How much green do you see that's not either part of the railroad railway or retention

1665
02:56:01,740 --> 02:56:04,760
areas, not very much?

1666
02:56:05,360 --> 02:56:13,640
And as a result, with all that building massive, and you're looking at Rooster, and all that

1667
02:56:13,640 --> 02:56:16,500
parking, and the roadways, and the access

1668
02:56:16,500 --> 02:56:19,880
drive, there is not very much home space left.

1669
02:56:21,100 --> 02:56:24,700
And as a result, there's not very much space to plant trees,

1670
02:56:25,060 --> 02:56:27,960
and we'll do an extensive property and landscape program.

1671
02:56:28,880 --> 02:56:30,920
There are recreational assets for young children,

1672
02:56:31,260 --> 02:56:35,720
the bot park, seating areas, and accommodate the multiple,

1673
02:56:36,120 --> 02:56:38,420
multi-use, special path that's been discussed

1674
02:56:38,420 --> 02:56:41,560
for looping up through this area in that highway 47

1675
02:56:41,560 --> 02:56:44,160
and to the train stations where on the stuff.

1676
02:56:44,860 --> 02:56:49,340
So we were truly committed to trying to achieve

1677
02:56:49,340 --> 02:56:57,260
the principles of sustainability, walkability,

1678
02:56:57,640 --> 02:56:59,960
and quality of life that are espoused

1679
02:56:59,960 --> 02:57:03,640
in your recently adopted downtown development plan.

1680
02:57:04,860 --> 02:57:07,460
I think we're doing a very good job on a site here

1681
02:57:07,460 --> 02:57:10,580
because there's no space left to do that.

1682
02:57:11,560 --> 02:57:16,520
And so strongly, strongly recommending that, again,

1683
02:57:16,780 --> 02:57:18,860
getting back to those massive buildings

1684
02:57:19,380 --> 02:57:20,980
and the parking to support them.

1685
02:57:21,780 --> 02:57:24,040
So in conclusion, it is our feeling as a,

1686
02:57:24,060 --> 02:57:26,540
as an age of age that's concerned about

1687
02:57:26,540 --> 02:57:30,020
quality involvement and the look of it

1688
02:57:30,020 --> 02:57:33,100
and the feel of how it fits in with neighborhoods and so forth.

1689
02:57:33,640 --> 02:57:36,260
We feel there's too much development proposed

1690
02:57:36,260 --> 02:57:38,560
resulting in too much traffic,

1691
02:57:38,560 --> 02:57:47,500
resulting in very large, boxy, farm-led buildings resulting in a limited amount of opportunity

1692
02:57:47,500 --> 02:57:51,260
to create a green space in urban and many different areas.

1693
02:57:52,000 --> 02:58:00,060
And what's needed is a real look at smaller buildings, or figuring out how to make these bigger buildings

1694
02:58:00,060 --> 02:58:04,440
look like they have made out of smaller components.

1695
02:58:04,440 --> 02:58:11,400
so their size are more articulated and a better definition of the

1696
02:58:11,400 --> 02:58:17,520
Newell and Wheeler entryways to the project. No use of the Brownstone's

1697
02:58:17,520 --> 02:58:22,740
driveway. More open spaces of many new development as I get seven minutes

1698
02:58:22,740 --> 02:58:29,220
ago. Looking at comprehensive review of Clay Street, Venice is much

1699
02:58:29,220 --> 02:58:36,520
responsibility of the city as it is of the developer, and also figuring out maybe how we're going to

1700
02:58:36,520 --> 02:58:41,840
accommodate that north loop of the life path from the train station looking back to St.

1701
02:58:41,840 --> 02:58:42,440
Rock 47.

1702
02:58:45,780 --> 02:58:50,860
Last thing I'd like to say, and I think it should be noted that we can have ourselves

1703
02:58:50,860 --> 02:58:56,220
available every beginning of the way to have discussions and work with the city and

1704
02:58:56,220 --> 02:59:03,580
and working development, and we really haven't had a whole lot of outreach to us other than

1705
02:59:03,580 --> 02:59:06,560
good communications with Jessica.

1706
02:59:07,680 --> 02:59:11,240
And so this is what's the result.

1707
02:59:11,500 --> 02:59:13,920
I mean, these concerns are outlined in these four areas.

1708
02:59:14,040 --> 02:59:16,180
It resulted in a whole lot of that.

1709
02:59:16,640 --> 02:59:19,180
And it would just like to end with two quotes.

1710
02:59:20,200 --> 02:59:25,320
Mayor Turner, you made a comment on September 22nd last fall.

1711
02:59:25,320 --> 02:59:29,720
that made America a little bit earlier, you said this project needs to include

1712
02:59:29,720 --> 02:59:35,560
timeless architecture and design quality. And then the words you wrote on the

1713
02:59:35,560 --> 02:59:38,720
team as they were presenting their side because they were competing at that

1714
02:59:38,720 --> 02:59:42,680
point in time, also made it a bit of an interesting time and it said this project

1715
02:59:42,680 --> 02:59:48,920
should have a pedestrian-focused public realm with our titillating, building,

1716
02:59:48,920 --> 02:59:51,260
massing at a residential scale.

1717
02:59:52,420 --> 02:59:54,220
Those are all good words.

1718
02:59:54,640 --> 02:59:57,080
They're included in the downtown Dome of Client,

1719
02:59:57,080 --> 02:59:57,900
that's right in the middle.

1720
02:59:58,520 --> 02:59:59,960
And we couldn't create more...

1721
03:00:00,940 --> 03:00:29,080
And we think that the urgent moment for both hold or the site line at this point is a little bit unimagined to be addressed in these areas. So thank you very much. John, thank you. I appreciate your comments on this and I appreciate the way you articulate it and organize it somewhere. So I'm going to ask the representative for working development to comment on just a moment once in the thoughts he's hearing there. I want to set play play aside.

1722
03:00:29,080 --> 03:00:36,020
It's not their issue. It's a city issue. It will not be solved. It wasn't going to be solved when the stock station was coming.

1723
03:00:36,800 --> 03:00:43,200
It was not. It was the same situation. I can't remember the original number of units that were supposed to go there. All builds out.

1724
03:00:43,420 --> 03:00:46,620
It was like 400 plus. How many?

1725
03:00:46,620 --> 03:00:48,460
And it was my recollection.

1726
03:00:48,660 --> 03:00:49,380
And I apologize.

1727
03:00:49,660 --> 03:00:52,180
My recollection was like the key plus of the Brown

1728
03:00:52,180 --> 03:00:55,340
Towns, a sudden story of apartment building

1729
03:00:55,340 --> 03:00:56,260
or by works.

1730
03:00:56,460 --> 03:00:56,940
We were at home.

1731
03:00:57,860 --> 03:01:00,160
And it was very much commercial recollection.

1732
03:01:00,380 --> 03:01:00,820
What place?

1733
03:01:01,380 --> 03:01:02,980
We need a pay attention to play.

1734
03:01:03,200 --> 03:01:04,260
So message received.

1735
03:01:04,920 --> 03:01:05,000
Yeah.

1736
03:01:05,000 --> 03:01:07,360
And if you have a number back in the Winstocks station days,

1737
03:01:07,780 --> 03:01:09,540
that was going to be an uninvested in the railroad

1738
03:01:09,540 --> 03:01:10,460
north of the Creations.

1739
03:01:10,580 --> 03:01:10,800
Yes.

1740
03:01:11,100 --> 03:01:12,500
Whether it was a lot more money.

1741
03:01:12,780 --> 03:01:14,980
And it's going to happen.

1742
03:01:15,080 --> 03:01:15,900
It isn't working out.

1743
03:01:16,620 --> 03:01:25,400
we are faced with development options now in 2026 and 2027 and I look I wish the

1744
03:01:25,400 --> 03:01:30,060
entire development would have been built out in 2005 you know with the

1745
03:01:30,060 --> 03:01:34,340
architecture that you guys have the amount of brick and all that and yes I'm a

1746
03:01:34,340 --> 03:01:38,680
fan of seven-story brick apartment complex back then but that's not the

1747
03:01:38,680 --> 03:01:42,940
development cycle right now we're in a new environment and so we have to react

1748
03:01:42,940 --> 03:01:45,940
to that environment, that's part of what we've been doing.

1749
03:01:47,420 --> 03:01:50,040
As a place of building, building massings,

1750
03:01:50,260 --> 03:01:55,380
and I understand that, there's a density issue

1751
03:01:55,380 --> 03:01:57,480
that any developer needs in order

1752
03:01:57,480 --> 03:02:00,380
to make the investment worthwhile,

1753
03:02:00,600 --> 03:02:03,620
but we have guided them on that density

1754
03:02:03,620 --> 03:02:05,280
all over the open to their thoughts on it.

1755
03:02:06,620 --> 03:02:09,000
Architectural breaking up a long building,

1756
03:02:09,000 --> 03:02:24,180
I agree with you 100%, you know, Jessica, you know, I believe you told me, you know, in a conversation that, you know, the design piece of that is not, you know, it's, it is, there's concept, but it is not final.

1757
03:02:24,660 --> 03:02:32,920
And so I think the point that you're making about, you know, not one long building that's unbroken, I think there needs some piece of variation there.

1758
03:02:33,820 --> 03:02:40,180
just coincidentally, I had to take a drive, to take a drive by the new structures that are going up in

1759
03:02:40,180 --> 03:02:50,220
Crystal Lake, north of Mint, north of 14, west of Maine, behind the jewel, and I see similarity in design,

1760
03:02:50,780 --> 03:02:57,280
you know, of what those now look like, you know, versus concepts, and I saw previously, and that's kind of how I view the

1761
03:02:57,280 --> 03:03:00,760
the next step of this process occurring.

1762
03:03:01,240 --> 03:03:03,920
Any comments as it relates to building scale

1763
03:03:03,920 --> 03:03:05,780
or massing that you would have?

1764
03:03:08,480 --> 03:03:10,860
I guess the only comment I make is when we were chosen,

1765
03:03:11,300 --> 03:03:15,020
we had 256 minutes more selected.

1766
03:03:15,720 --> 03:03:18,460
The site is very tight and very hard to lay out

1767
03:03:18,460 --> 03:03:23,540
and it just wasn't working with the concepts we looked at.

1768
03:03:23,780 --> 03:03:26,620
So I think a lot, everything else is subjective

1769
03:03:26,620 --> 03:03:32,380
but as far as read space, I haven't seen a difference between the site planning on the time the site won't need that,

1770
03:03:32,960 --> 03:03:35,180
and we do a lot of plans to the landscape.

1771
03:03:35,800 --> 03:03:37,180
It's going to look great.

1772
03:03:37,720 --> 03:03:40,620
I think it's hard to articulate the drawings that we have today,

1773
03:03:41,220 --> 03:03:42,900
because again, we're just trying to get the passing down,

1774
03:03:44,280 --> 03:03:49,560
but these are not big part of the buildings by any multi-finished standard.

1775
03:03:49,560 --> 03:03:55,280
So, I mean, certainly, in the beginning of the truth, we have finished the design.

1776
03:03:56,220 --> 03:03:59,400
But, this is the nesting we're probably going to wind up with.

1777
03:03:59,540 --> 03:04:03,920
Which I think is perfectly clear to what it's there now to start sizing those.

1778
03:04:04,260 --> 03:04:07,140
As far as the driveway goes up, I don't know if the safe's on the surface.

1779
03:04:07,540 --> 03:04:10,540
It's not this is a private driver, it's his family.

1780
03:04:11,100 --> 03:04:14,040
And, you know, we probably have to use it.

1781
03:04:14,420 --> 03:04:14,560
Yep.

1782
03:04:15,620 --> 03:04:16,280
And it's trying.

1783
03:04:17,500 --> 03:04:21,180
So tell you what, you can say your comments to us and if you'd like to say a comment,

1784
03:04:21,380 --> 03:04:22,880
you're welcome to come up so we can all hear.

1785
03:04:23,600 --> 03:04:26,980
And then you get to see what's on the survey.

1786
03:04:27,800 --> 03:04:28,080
Right.

1787
03:04:28,380 --> 03:04:28,840
Is that right?

1788
03:04:29,080 --> 03:04:35,460
I understand that that driveway adding more units is different than how it exists now.

1789
03:04:35,840 --> 03:04:37,360
I understand that change.

1790
03:04:37,540 --> 03:04:43,560
You know, if you cause concern in the part of residents, I don't know if we realistically have a way forward

1791
03:04:43,560 --> 03:04:48,440
that it all worked, had a way to get around that, in that particular location, the size

1792
03:04:48,440 --> 03:04:52,520
of the building, and the massing of it, that's a free storage building, correct?

1793
03:04:52,960 --> 03:04:54,080
Those are free buildings, okay.

1794
03:04:55,480 --> 03:04:59,940
So the massing of it and breaking, you know, creating some architectural break-up.

1795
03:05:00,050 --> 03:05:10,930
I think is, again, should be something you consider and look at, and we will consider in the design phase. Yeah, absolutely. I think we'll try to do that within, again, rest of the semantics design concept.

1796
03:05:14,010 --> 03:05:15,490
Council, we've got to close up.

1797
03:05:15,490 --> 03:05:21,490
It's kind of a question of, and for me it's a little late night, you said that a new building

1798
03:05:21,490 --> 03:05:24,670
that would be in Georgia behind the Brownsons is like 200 or something.

1799
03:05:25,230 --> 03:05:29,550
According to the map, when we look at it, it's the exact size of all the Brownsons that are together,

1800
03:05:29,770 --> 03:05:35,770
and there is no breakup. I mean, there's design, and the windows look different, but it's still a massive,

1801
03:05:43,340 --> 03:05:44,180
The

1802
03:05:47,480 --> 03:05:56,700
bronze stones are just a little less than that, but there is some, there's some

1803
03:05:56,700 --> 03:06:04,940
articulation in the bronze stones that create identity for the individual, individual units.

1804
03:06:04,940 --> 03:06:11,440
And I guess what we were looking at is, when you look at the two sketches, and I get, I truly get it.

1805
03:06:11,780 --> 03:06:14,560
You're at Masky Street right now.

1806
03:06:15,280 --> 03:06:27,860
But that kind of a flat facade with various types of angular-sided added is just not going to be very attractive unless it's broken up.

1807
03:06:27,860 --> 03:06:34,720
and make it look like, you know, there's some articulations to it, and I'm not looking

1808
03:06:34,720 --> 03:06:41,960
at something that's, you know, 350-something long, that's just all one along there.

1809
03:06:42,220 --> 03:06:50,320
Now, in addition to all of that, and a point that I forgot to make that, that it wanted

1810
03:06:50,320 --> 03:06:55,380
out, is that they aren't at the site, each outside of the plant level at this point in time,

1811
03:06:55,380 --> 03:07:00,620
But they will get to that and that's including trees, landscaping, and all of that

1812
03:07:00,620 --> 03:07:05,580
Possibly breaking up some of that parking by putting some landscape islands in there

1813
03:07:06,260 --> 03:07:10,320
We'll also help to break up that facade behind it

1814
03:07:10,320 --> 03:07:13,960
And so, you know, if there's some work that can be applied to the buildings

1815
03:07:13,960 --> 03:07:17,540
To create some articulation and break that up into units

1816
03:07:17,540 --> 03:07:21,520
Like it was going to be earlier version of the plan

1817
03:07:22,200 --> 03:07:24,200
and maybe work some landscaping

1818
03:07:24,200 --> 03:07:28,360
kind of into that garden that could go a long way

1819
03:07:28,360 --> 03:07:29,900
to store stuff and enough of that.

1820
03:07:30,120 --> 03:07:33,760
So they, that's not pretty simple, are you agreeable to that?

1821
03:07:34,080 --> 03:07:35,900
Yeah, I'm there, so we should get before anything.

1822
03:07:37,680 --> 03:07:39,700
And we can start by this, it's very subjective,

1823
03:07:40,140 --> 03:07:44,670
but obviously we don't have to answer any panel design only.

1824
03:07:44,830 --> 03:07:47,370
So yeah, we're hoping for all of that.

1825
03:07:47,690 --> 03:07:49,470
I think what we're trying to know about here

1826
03:07:49,470 --> 03:07:56,130
for emergency R.A. is the nature we had, the land could be your model and in realistic

1827
03:07:56,130 --> 03:08:01,630
environment. So we have all those options, Jessica, can you make a note of that in this

1828
03:08:01,630 --> 03:08:12,630
part of the focus segment? My question got answered as a year-to-year renderings and I know

1829
03:08:12,630 --> 03:08:19,390
we're not that's not what we're voting on here, but did these pictures that is

1830
03:08:19,390 --> 03:08:24,870
provided where you've tried to, you know, sign in one fake line of building

1831
03:08:24,870 --> 03:08:28,510
trade that you scale back, change the road lines, was the back of the building

1832
03:08:28,510 --> 03:08:34,090
is going to look the same as the front or where they go be on a straight line.

1833
03:08:34,090 --> 03:08:37,890
I think if you look at what's going through the traditional multi-finity, we try to

1834
03:08:37,890 --> 03:08:39,590
part not to have a bad room building.

1835
03:08:40,130 --> 03:08:42,270
So there's, there's students I'm recording,

1836
03:08:42,570 --> 03:08:44,810
there's students in the middle that have the right access.

1837
03:08:45,170 --> 03:08:48,310
So it wouldn't be, I know we're not at the point in the state,

1838
03:08:48,470 --> 03:08:50,050
but it wouldn't mean your attention

1839
03:08:50,050 --> 03:08:52,530
at one straight wall of the building.

1840
03:08:52,830 --> 03:08:55,310
No, this, this fear is out of time to our peak.

1841
03:08:55,730 --> 03:08:57,450
You have to take a particular issue

1842
03:08:57,450 --> 03:09:01,090
we're talking about, just bring this deal down somewhat.

1843
03:09:01,450 --> 03:09:04,350
And I think the way it's done, your sense of,

1844
03:09:04,370 --> 03:09:05,570
if you hear a lot of things,

1845
03:09:05,570 --> 03:09:11,330
this is in your building, new construction and a historic district, which doesn't make sense,

1846
03:09:11,770 --> 03:09:17,350
but you have to do something. So they were trying to take a clue from, you know, there's a lot,

1847
03:09:17,910 --> 03:09:23,830
I think a lot of people, they didn't see anything in the downtown, but everything around it is much more,

1848
03:09:24,930 --> 03:09:29,590
you know, it enables like this, so they were trying to be responsive to a lot of different input that

1849
03:09:30,530 --> 03:09:47,830
So, we're not bearing to any of it, but I think the basic sizing, you know, massing, I think that's, you know, we're, we're, we're hopefully, you know, all that too, just trying to squeeze everything in.

1850
03:09:51,400 --> 03:09:53,560
But yeah, we're, we're working on that, that's not for me.

1851
03:09:54,860 --> 03:09:59,940
That kind of answer to some of my question, my other question is, now they're both the billion-

1852
03:10:00,000 --> 03:10:29,180
What's your bank event? When you see top 100 parking, is that just getting more of a cardboard? Well, they don't use all the coal rises. The coal rises. The coal rises. Yeah, I think the way you see the revenues of them, we're trying to show it. It's really, when you're walking through it, we try to keep up. It doesn't feel like it's too early. Right? It doesn't feel like it's too early with bank-to-bank garage doors and ground soles. You mean the only thing that thinks is they're waiting? Right. There's parking in there with those buildings. Yeah, there's buildings.

1853
03:10:31,300 --> 03:10:34,720
Yes, all the building brand are to participate in the project.

1854
03:10:34,980 --> 03:10:37,960
We actually got a lot more in building, parking,

1855
03:10:38,160 --> 03:10:39,740
and we originally, I'm jealous.

1856
03:10:44,740 --> 03:10:45,920
I lost power on my laptop.

1857
03:10:46,760 --> 03:10:47,440
I'm fine.

1858
03:10:47,620 --> 03:10:47,860
I'm fine.

1859
03:10:47,960 --> 03:10:50,600
So I'll be asking for help, following the way.

1860
03:10:51,240 --> 03:10:51,700
I

1861
03:10:53,720 --> 03:10:54,000
was there.

1862
03:10:56,000 --> 03:10:57,860
I'm good for nothing, but next

1863
03:11:01,380 --> 03:11:02,400
question.

1864
03:11:07,300 --> 03:11:08,240
I'll get to other countries.

1865
03:11:08,540 --> 03:11:09,000
I'll be inside.

1866
03:11:10,120 --> 03:11:11,140
Go ahead, Councilor.

1867
03:11:12,780 --> 03:11:15,740
Yeah. Any other comments? Any other comment? Any other public comments?

1868
03:11:17,500 --> 03:11:17,900
In

1869
03:11:30,440 --> 03:11:35,780
Olsen, my husband, Scott, and I live at the Brownstones, I live in South Station,

1870
03:11:36,420 --> 03:11:43,800
a lot more straight. So my purpose is coming here to my space to create discussed traffic issues.

1871
03:11:43,800 --> 03:11:50,740
Our HOA has removed the proposed oral site man provided by

1872
03:11:50,740 --> 03:11:56,880
emergency development group, and we feel compelled to address the city council and

1873
03:11:56,880 --> 03:12:01,980
roughly development tonight to point out what we perceived to be a major

1874
03:12:01,980 --> 03:12:09,600
problem with the vehicle access from Clay Street via our driveway to the proposed

1875
03:12:09,600 --> 03:12:19,080
35 apartment units and parking directly located to the south of the groundstones. Our town

1876
03:12:19,080 --> 03:12:27,280
home in particular is located at the corner of Northern Clay. And we see on a daily basis the

1877
03:12:27,280 --> 03:12:35,780
amount of current traffic on Clay Street generated by local traffic, police, fire, school buses,

1878
03:12:43,260 --> 03:12:48,040
this is a very congested stretch of play street.

1879
03:12:48,560 --> 03:12:53,100
For example, there are often clients parked on play street

1880
03:12:53,100 --> 03:12:57,020
in front of the only apartment of human services agency

1881
03:12:57,020 --> 03:13:01,100
who need to make use of the handicap parking space.

1882
03:13:01,800 --> 03:13:05,760
When this occurs, if you are driving on a new one,

1883
03:13:05,760 --> 03:13:10,000
and want to make a right turn heading north on the play.

1884
03:13:10,480 --> 03:13:14,460
You are run forth to drive down the middle of the road,

1885
03:13:15,100 --> 03:13:18,180
which can be dangerous if there's an armed traffic

1886
03:13:18,180 --> 03:13:19,760
on play heading south.

1887
03:13:20,820 --> 03:13:26,220
This area of congestion aligns with the proposed entry

1888
03:13:26,860 --> 03:13:30,300
and exit from the apartment in the south of our driveway,

1889
03:13:30,300 --> 03:13:31,820
which you can see on the red ring.

1890
03:13:33,060 --> 03:13:40,960
Also, despite having signs posted indicating that our dryway is not a street, and General's

1891
03:13:40,960 --> 03:13:46,560
are not allowed, the use of this dryway by people other than brownstone residents

1892
03:13:46,560 --> 03:13:49,100
occurs multiple times today.

1893
03:13:49,620 --> 03:13:56,540
We often have people parking on our dryway for the duration of their appointments at the

1894
03:13:56,540 --> 03:14:03,220
Department of Human Services Agency across the street. This development situation

1895
03:14:03,220 --> 03:14:08,180
would only add to the traffic congestion of cars entering and exiting our

1896
03:14:08,180 --> 03:14:13,620
driveway at this location. We are very concerned with the working

1897
03:14:13,620 --> 03:14:18,720
development plan allowing access to the proposed departments and their

1898
03:14:18,720 --> 03:14:25,040
parking from Clay Street via our driveway. If you were to observe a daily basis

1899
03:14:25,040 --> 03:14:32,400
like we do. The traffic issues on clay, it would make better sense to have the

1900
03:14:32,400 --> 03:14:40,260
apartment traffic routed through Newall, North, First, or Wheeler streets. Please

1901
03:14:40,260 --> 03:14:47,640
remember that our only access to our browsers is via the driveway. That's our

1902
03:14:47,640 --> 03:14:53,180
only access. With the number of units planned for this development, including the

1903
03:14:53,180 --> 03:14:59,800
35 immediately across from the railway and an average daily estimate of 5.

1904
03:15:00,240 --> 03:15:15,560
This car trips per unit per day. This driveway will not be able to accommodate this volume traffic on play street, and will become even more of a bottleneck than it currently is. Since the city and

1905
03:15:15,560 --> 03:15:19,080
And if you develop it, are still in the planning stages of this

1906
03:15:19,080 --> 03:15:24,060
aparplent development, it would make sense to us if you were

1907
03:15:24,060 --> 03:15:28,480
to address these traffic flow issues now in the native.

1908
03:15:31,260 --> 03:15:33,800
Those are our concerns regarding traffic flow,

1909
03:15:34,400 --> 03:15:37,080
in particular how we play.

1910
03:15:43,000 --> 03:15:46,600
Staff, any comments relative to the design

1911
03:16:03,560 --> 03:16:07,040
So that would be a good question for Joe and we could definitely get back to the council

1912
03:16:09,840 --> 03:16:11,900
on that conversation with Joe.

1913
03:16:11,900 --> 03:16:17,960
What I know is historically one of the thoughts is that the homoplyling was very dense and

1914
03:16:17,960 --> 03:16:23,220
in there I will say play does nearly always be indicated by the Department of Health and

1915
03:16:23,220 --> 03:16:28,920
Mental Services if I can't want it, I definitely want to increase that to make it so it's

1916
03:16:28,920 --> 03:16:36,260
in line with what the road is but as far as traffic problems go itself, that's not my

1917
03:16:37,440 --> 03:16:51,140
But the other thing is that current traffic flows on play or noticeably up uncertain because there are 47, you know, I mean, probably about which is impacting that.

1918
03:17:07,900 --> 03:17:22,820
I appreciate your concern, I don't know if I have an answer for it, and I don't know if I'm willing to forego the entire whole development, because the opportunity that this, in my opinion, represents for the city of Woodstock.

1919
03:17:23,640 --> 03:17:25,400
You know, an individual council members

1920
03:17:25,400 --> 03:17:26,880
might have to make that decision as well.

1921
03:17:27,480 --> 03:17:32,500
What I would like to see is in an offline discussion

1922
03:17:32,980 --> 03:17:35,800
if there is some ability for some tweaks

1923
03:17:35,800 --> 03:17:40,320
in that area to help assist with or improve

1924
03:17:40,820 --> 03:17:42,520
some of the flow that's going on there.

1925
03:17:43,100 --> 03:17:45,360
If, you know, that alley was originally planned

1926
03:17:45,360 --> 03:17:49,500
to be an access point for another several houses.

1927
03:17:50,120 --> 03:17:50,540
Right, Roscoe?

1928
03:17:50,540 --> 03:17:53,840
So it was doubling answers for all the home appliances

1929
03:17:53,840 --> 03:17:55,660
that you can burn or that's supposed to be in in the

1930
03:17:55,660 --> 03:17:55,920
industry.

1931
03:17:56,320 --> 03:17:57,440
So yeah, trust me.

1932
03:17:58,020 --> 03:17:58,740
Thank you.

1933
03:17:58,880 --> 03:18:01,820
So it was referring to the one-stop stations.

1934
03:18:02,140 --> 03:18:02,200
Yeah.

1935
03:18:02,380 --> 03:18:02,740
Taken.

1936
03:18:03,860 --> 03:18:06,560
Taken, I've seen, and that we've referenced,

1937
03:18:07,280 --> 03:18:12,380
had the building to the south of the roundstones

1938
03:18:12,380 --> 03:18:15,640
in the dry that's a 45-unit apartment building.

1939
03:18:16,320 --> 03:18:19,640
And that dried has an easement that was intended

1940
03:18:19,640 --> 03:18:22,760
to benefit the entirety of the development.

1941
03:18:23,000 --> 03:18:26,980
So that's what Emily Perth Development Group has been referencing

1942
03:18:26,980 --> 03:18:29,360
in their paintings of the same.

1943
03:18:29,820 --> 03:18:30,940
Okay. Thank you.

1944
03:18:31,020 --> 03:18:32,140
That's an important clarification.

1945
03:18:33,360 --> 03:18:35,720
Because you have to find remember also the roadhouses

1946
03:18:35,720 --> 03:18:37,220
we're going to be the,

1947
03:18:37,880 --> 03:18:39,800
since everyone there across the street,

1948
03:18:40,000 --> 03:18:40,400
North Street.

1949
03:18:41,260 --> 03:18:43,280
If I remember, there's also to be roadhouses going there

1950
03:18:43,280 --> 03:18:46,200
and for roadhouses on the north side of North Street.

1951
03:18:46,720 --> 03:18:47,760
If I remember, Brennan.

1952
03:18:47,760 --> 03:18:48,680
We

1953
03:18:58,340 --> 03:19:06,300
do have plans from the whole site, and those were platforms we went to and looked at those platforms when the initiative builds.

1954
03:19:07,260 --> 03:19:10,580
So, what was across the street were platforms.

1955
03:19:12,120 --> 03:19:13,720
That used that drive.

1956
03:19:14,200 --> 03:19:17,100
We used the drive map across the street that used the drive.

1957
03:19:20,560 --> 03:19:27,800
There was that much that's rising and it continued and it didn't do just I believe in the

1958
03:19:27,800 --> 03:19:28,480
parts of life.

1959
03:19:34,060 --> 03:19:42,680
This is a little part of life so at least that and we do have lines so that you would

1960
03:19:42,680 --> 03:19:43,840
like to access them.

1961
03:19:44,360 --> 03:19:45,520
But I'm actually going to talk about that.

1962
03:19:45,760 --> 03:19:47,100
Can I talk about something else?

1963
03:19:47,160 --> 03:19:47,880
You search for it.

1964
03:19:47,880 --> 03:19:49,420
Okay, okay.

1965
03:19:49,420 --> 03:19:50,440
We've got my phone.

1966
03:19:51,480 --> 03:19:51,840
Got you.

1967
03:19:52,080 --> 03:19:52,840
Here we go.

1968
03:19:53,800 --> 03:19:57,740
I hear that support of the project as proposed

1969
03:19:57,740 --> 03:19:59,940
because all the reasons...

1970
03:20:08,750 --> 03:20:14,790
I'm here because of the amount of subsidy for public participation that the city is providing,

1971
03:20:15,910 --> 03:20:23,390
the city and residents are providing for this project that does not, is not compliant with the surrounding

1972
03:20:23,390 --> 03:20:29,590
community doesn't complement it, and while it tremendously impacts that same community.

1973
03:20:30,510 --> 03:20:35,870
As proposed, according to the development agreement, if fully developed, the merchant price

1974
03:20:35,870 --> 03:20:44,470
will provide 187 units and attract approximately 200 and 80 residents, that's at $1.5 per unit.

1975
03:20:44,470 --> 03:20:58,030
And for a cost of $9.5 million or approximately $51,000 to think of that $51,000 for $1.5 million

1976
03:20:58,030 --> 03:21:07,550
but that includes the $8 million interest in $1.5 million that the city paid for the land that

1977
03:21:12,010 --> 03:21:18,970
In addition, the city is waiting as formal fees for water, sewer, streets, police, and building permits.

1978
03:21:21,290 --> 03:21:33,150
Since this is an infill project, the water, sewer, and streets are not that big of a concern, because they currently exist, although there's going to need to be improvements, and I'm sure that's being taken up in the district money.

1979
03:21:34,450 --> 03:21:37,970
But the built in permits is a major city accommodation.

1980
03:21:38,690 --> 03:21:40,070
I have provided an inspection service,

1981
03:21:40,350 --> 03:21:44,150
except for free it is a direct cost to the city

1982
03:21:44,150 --> 03:21:46,370
and to the residents of Woodstock.

1983
03:21:47,990 --> 03:21:50,690
Now, it's a development goal to reduce project risk

1984
03:21:50,690 --> 03:21:51,890
as much as possible.

1985
03:21:52,330 --> 03:21:57,430
Usually that means reducing the cost of the project to the developer.

1986
03:21:59,050 --> 03:22:02,050
I developed multi-family rental housing

1987
03:22:02,050 --> 03:22:03,890
for 15 years before retiring.

1988
03:22:04,270 --> 03:22:07,170
So I understand that need, and I understand the need

1989
03:22:07,170 --> 03:22:08,130
for laborists.

1990
03:22:08,830 --> 03:22:10,590
You won't be able to build on laborists,

1991
03:22:10,690 --> 03:22:11,890
you're not going to be able to finance it,

1992
03:22:11,950 --> 03:22:12,870
et cetera, so no.

1993
03:22:13,850 --> 03:22:16,630
But for this project, one way to reduce risk

1994
03:22:17,130 --> 03:22:19,930
is to receive as much subsidy

1995
03:22:20,570 --> 03:22:24,750
as public participation as possible.

1996
03:22:25,630 --> 03:22:27,150
It's not based, I don't know,

1997
03:22:27,150 --> 03:22:31,350
haven't seen that's based on need, but it's as possible.

1998
03:22:32,170 --> 03:22:34,690
This project is receiving the land-to-party house

1999
03:22:34,690 --> 03:22:37,930
and receiving the maximum-tiff financial subsidy

2000
03:22:37,930 --> 03:22:38,710
of $80 million.

2001
03:22:39,730 --> 03:22:44,910
Another way to reduce risk is to minimize upterm costs

2002
03:22:45,810 --> 03:22:46,870
and commitments.

2003
03:22:47,290 --> 03:22:50,050
For this project, the developer has up to six years

2004
03:22:50,720 --> 03:22:54,290
from closing out phase one to start phase two.

2005
03:22:55,990 --> 03:22:58,590
I'm to determine whether they're going to do it or not.

2006
03:22:58,830 --> 03:23:06,490
They have the option to walk away, which means all the 99 units first days would be developed

2007
03:23:06,950 --> 03:23:17,330
and they have control of the phase two project, so through 2033, which six years, that's

2008
03:23:17,330 --> 03:23:21,950
is a long time and I think this is a big ass, I'm a part of the development.

2009
03:23:21,950 --> 03:23:30,850
So the city is providing $9.5 million or $15,000 per unit subsidy with any fees, particularly

2010
03:23:31,410 --> 03:23:33,930
permanent fees and, um,

2011
03:23:36,660 --> 03:23:40,440
the permanent fees, and giving ample time for the projects

2012
03:23:40,440 --> 03:23:42,060
development and success.

2013
03:23:44,200 --> 03:23:52,440
And in any turn, we, the residents of this area, are getting a rental project that does not

2014
03:23:52,440 --> 03:23:55,680
not powerful in the surrounding community design

2015
03:23:56,090 --> 03:23:59,580
and negatively impacts the areas previously mentioned

2016
03:23:59,580 --> 03:24:01,580
by other product of the presenters.

2017
03:24:02,140 --> 03:24:05,320
I have no problem with providing public assistance

2018
03:24:05,320 --> 03:24:07,360
to a quality development.

2019
03:24:08,660 --> 03:24:11,020
But the first, the first city's paying for these

2020
03:24:11,020 --> 03:24:13,740
1807 units is, I think,

2021
03:24:13,960 --> 03:24:15,640
indivensible as proposed.

2022
03:24:16,360 --> 03:24:19,060
And the development agreement should not be approved

2023
03:24:19,650 --> 03:24:20,440
as written.

2024
03:24:20,440 --> 03:24:24,900
have these are all included in the development agreement?

2025
03:24:29,780 --> 03:24:35,140
I don't think that the plan or redevelopment,

2026
03:24:35,300 --> 03:24:38,060
or the redevelopment that figures the plan we have in place,

2027
03:24:38,600 --> 03:24:42,660
are that substantially different from what we see elsewhere in the market,

2028
03:24:42,660 --> 03:24:45,020
the market exists in a certain state today.

2029
03:24:45,020 --> 03:24:51,540
Okay, and this developer was chosen in large part because of their quality, their quality

2030
03:24:51,540 --> 03:24:56,360
of the historical development, things that they've done previously have finished the job.

2031
03:24:56,800 --> 03:24:59,900
We've had so many fits and starts on this parcel.

2032
03:25:00,660 --> 03:25:29,600
We're going back to 2005. It is time for us to take advantage of a relationship with a developer. And while I might like to have a book a little bit differently, and we all have individual opinions of that, this developer and their track record. And I think the financing that we put in place, we have the needs to do this. And we're using tip, tip funds for going money that we wouldn't collect anyway if we didn't develop it.

2033
03:25:29,600 --> 03:25:33,460
is not costing the city with taxpayers anything directly.

2034
03:25:34,580 --> 03:25:38,160
So, you know, I, I, I, I, we're going to say, I'm just not an

2035
03:25:38,160 --> 03:25:39,420
in agreement with it.

2036
03:25:39,780 --> 03:25:42,000
Jessica, can you make any comments on the nature of the,

2037
03:25:42,660 --> 03:25:47,720
of the development of the development project,

2038
03:25:47,980 --> 03:25:51,160
growth, and financing, and kind of how it compares to what you

2039
03:25:51,160 --> 03:25:51,600
see elsewhere?

2040
03:25:52,720 --> 03:25:54,880
Sure, I mean, thank you, your turn.

2041
03:25:55,260 --> 03:25:57,940
First, I would like to just clarify a couple of things.

2042
03:25:57,940 --> 03:26:06,480
The redevelopment agreement at some of the half grants are $8.9 on the total amount

2043
03:26:06,480 --> 03:26:12,180
of the TIF that the development can receive does not take full advantage of every dollar

2044
03:26:12,180 --> 03:26:15,280
that is projected to be available through TIF.

2045
03:26:15,480 --> 03:26:19,940
There are a couple of things that limit that, one, the cap within the redevelopment agreement

2046
03:26:20,420 --> 03:26:27,140
as well as eligible costs, TIF dollars cannot be used for any expense relative to development.

2047
03:26:27,140 --> 03:26:33,740
And they can only be used for specific eligible costs, which are listed within the agreement.

2048
03:26:34,540 --> 03:26:41,040
So between the cap within the development agreement on the total amount that can be received

2049
03:26:41,040 --> 03:26:47,640
and the constraint of only being able to be reimbursed through for eligible costs, that doesn't

2050
03:26:47,640 --> 03:26:53,580
constitute taking full advantage of all of the dollars that will be available through the

2051
03:26:53,580 --> 03:27:00,280
hit, the projections forward the tip over its lifetime or that it will generate $21.85

2052
03:27:00,280 --> 03:27:09,560
million and so and all of that will be increments because the property is currently effectively has

2053
03:27:09,560 --> 03:27:15,820
a zero base and so all of that will be available increments. So unlike the prior redevelopment

2054
03:27:16,100 --> 03:27:21,220
agreements that we've seen both on this site and other cases in the city, this developer

2055
03:27:21,220 --> 03:27:24,300
or do not approach it from a given everything that you can,

2056
03:27:24,540 --> 03:27:26,560
for as long as you can, perspective,

2057
03:27:26,720 --> 03:27:28,820
but really identify the gap in their ability

2058
03:27:28,820 --> 03:27:31,620
to puzzle a high quality or central project

2059
03:27:32,280 --> 03:27:34,300
within the constraints of this particular site.

2060
03:27:34,760 --> 03:27:36,760
And that's how we made it on the daughter amount

2061
03:27:36,760 --> 03:27:39,100
that we agreed on from a tip

2062
03:27:39,100 --> 03:27:40,960
implemented reimbursement perspective.

2063
03:27:41,660 --> 03:27:43,000
The other thing I wanted to clarify

2064
03:27:43,000 --> 03:27:48,540
was the six years on the decision for with ACE2.

2065
03:27:48,540 --> 03:27:53,620
So, for the redevelopment agreement, it is six years from the adoption of the redevelopment

2066
03:27:53,620 --> 03:27:53,900
agreement.

2067
03:27:54,100 --> 03:27:59,480
So, it will be six years from today, which is effectively one in the two years from

2068
03:27:59,480 --> 03:28:03,300
completion of the first phase.

2069
03:28:03,500 --> 03:28:05,900
So, it's not six years from completion of the first phase.

2070
03:28:06,520 --> 03:28:13,940
I also pointed out in the standard way that the milestone dates that are included within

2071
03:28:13,940 --> 03:28:18,380
the redevelopment agreement or improve the developer's characterization for

2072
03:28:18,380 --> 03:28:22,540
hand-correcting if I'm wrong or outside dates. Their attention is to very much

2073
03:28:22,540 --> 03:28:27,800
from work with this development and if base one is as successful as you all

2074
03:28:27,800 --> 03:28:32,260
anticipate it to be that they would move forward with base two as well.

2075
03:28:32,880 --> 03:28:36,960
Thank you, Jessica. Appreciate that. Other members of the public question for

2076
03:28:47,770 --> 03:28:48,050
Cindy,

2077
03:28:48,050 --> 03:28:53,490
I live in 27th and R.C., I'm a retired Federalist and Safety Specialist.

2078
03:28:54,110 --> 03:28:56,590
I've lived in West Act for over 40 years now.

2079
03:28:57,770 --> 03:29:03,050
I've moved from a single family home to the armed assaults of five years ago.

2080
03:29:04,530 --> 03:29:07,410
I've been very much living there for a while now.

2081
03:29:08,570 --> 03:29:11,090
I've been a Golden Dual, okay.

2082
03:29:12,530 --> 03:29:16,070
One of the concerns that I have is that I can be trusted

2083
03:29:16,070 --> 03:29:20,990
tonight, and I'm just meeting that, but in terms of getting it put out there to work

2084
03:29:20,990 --> 03:29:26,930
and develop, or in order to see, in some of the previous discussions that were just

2085
03:29:26,930 --> 03:29:33,630
talking about a dog bark. Okay, I won't hear anything about that. And the current

2086
03:29:33,630 --> 03:29:34,490
documentation,

2087
03:29:36,550 --> 03:29:42,910
also on going from Plague Street to Wheeler Street on the wool,

2088
03:29:45,410 --> 03:29:47,430
there are

2089
03:29:47,430 --> 03:29:50,370
I've already done this three all the time, and I'm constantly

2090
03:29:50,370 --> 03:29:55,090
imagining people walking by, people walking their dogs,

2091
03:29:55,290 --> 03:29:57,270
everything else because there are a lot of sidewalks.

2092
03:29:57,350 --> 03:29:59,910
So I'm watching a duel, and you say this.

2093
03:30:00,000 --> 03:30:25,960
No plan sidewalks. There are. I said there are no sidewalks at all. Currently. There will be okay. I didn't see anything on we were for sidewalks. I don't know if there are now. I didn't see it. I didn't see it. I didn't see it. I had just a lot of. Maybe one express my concerns.

2094
03:30:31,440 --> 03:30:36,660
I'm definitely going to have sidewalks on me because I'm seeing kids on scooters and bikes

2095
03:30:36,660 --> 03:30:43,580
and I'm getting else and they're out on the street and so I have concerns about that.

2096
03:30:44,080 --> 03:30:46,420
Also I go back to the dog park.

2097
03:30:46,740 --> 03:30:49,900
I assume that some of these residents open the introduce the car because they're going

2098
03:30:49,900 --> 03:30:50,420
to have dogs.

2099
03:30:51,140 --> 03:30:53,800
Hopefully there's going to be some spots that I'm going to go to.

2100
03:30:53,800 --> 03:30:57,980
So again, we haven't seen the final clients,

2101
03:30:59,000 --> 03:31:02,160
the addition of more green space somewhere in here.

2102
03:31:02,440 --> 03:31:03,900
How are we able to put together

2103
03:31:04,440 --> 03:31:07,280
who perhaps hold some of our concerns?

2104
03:31:07,800 --> 03:31:10,120
Well, this is the footprint that's before me,

2105
03:31:10,160 --> 03:31:11,500
so I don't want to pretend like

2106
03:31:11,500 --> 03:31:14,840
that the footprint is as we consider it would change

2107
03:31:14,840 --> 03:31:16,060
if it passes.

2108
03:31:17,160 --> 03:31:18,680
I don't know if that park was part of the,

2109
03:31:18,840 --> 03:31:21,440
some of the essentials that have been going back

2110
03:31:21,440 --> 03:31:27,240
even to the, you know, the founders crossing days in, you know, 2018 and 2019.

2111
03:31:27,500 --> 03:31:29,060
I've been funding these days for a long time.

2112
03:31:29,440 --> 03:31:30,260
Yes, we have.

2113
03:31:30,980 --> 03:31:38,420
And so, I'm empathetic to the developer's need to be able to build the project successfully

2114
03:31:38,420 --> 03:31:42,520
to see it through the end because of the number of false stars we've had in the spot.

2115
03:31:43,140 --> 03:31:48,440
And, you know, if the park wasn't part of it, I understand that.

2116
03:31:48,440 --> 03:31:52,800
I don't think I haven't said it, not 10 to the back part, but I think I have to look at the economics of it.

2117
03:31:53,340 --> 03:31:55,300
So, the sidewalks are definitely bending.

2118
03:31:56,120 --> 03:31:58,640
I asked our understanding that a guard park is still a plant.

2119
03:31:58,780 --> 03:31:59,740
It's still a plant.

2120
03:32:00,200 --> 03:32:03,480
It's a plant with detention, up and forth.

2121
03:32:03,560 --> 03:32:07,760
No, we've always had something in there designated.

2122
03:32:08,400 --> 03:32:09,880
We've just told them it's going to take a little bit.

2123
03:32:10,000 --> 03:32:10,820
We're just going to go get them.

2124
03:32:10,960 --> 03:32:13,960
The speed, we're also going to try to accommodate the bike path.

2125
03:32:13,960 --> 03:32:21,960
So, there's definitely room for it and we've always shown something and we also have the whole clubhouse which is not a program yet.

2126
03:32:22,440 --> 03:32:26,500
And we have the areas that go to the south of the clubhouse, it's really not a program.

2127
03:32:26,800 --> 03:32:32,480
So, we definitely want to include something like that in one break up, the outdoor space is a little more than typical.

2128
03:32:33,200 --> 03:32:42,700
So yeah, it's shown somewhere in one of the things that this one that, you know, is to be sure that I stay correct, you know, that's part of it.

2129
03:32:43,260 --> 03:32:49,240
You know, I think that having done something like that relative to the great space would be useful and important.

2130
03:32:49,940 --> 03:32:56,020
Yeah, and the thing is between us was a Chinese showroom space, but I think there is more of them.

2131
03:32:56,020 --> 03:33:00,580
It looks like, and then we'll close that up and we'll see that.

2132
03:33:01,320 --> 03:33:03,120
And that is a very important part of the next phase.

2133
03:33:04,980 --> 03:33:05,800
Other members of public?

2134
03:33:06,760 --> 03:33:08,260
Hello, Mayor Councilman.

2135
03:33:08,600 --> 03:33:09,280
I'm Anderson.

2136
03:33:09,380 --> 03:33:11,200
I'm president of Bayshire and Brownstones.

2137
03:33:12,600 --> 03:33:14,260
I'm a 29-year-old street.

2138
03:33:14,500 --> 03:33:17,820
And I wanted to thank my neighbors for coming out tonight.

2139
03:33:18,180 --> 03:33:20,160
They do for coming out tonight as well.

2140
03:33:20,360 --> 03:33:22,260
I was really happy to come here tonight.

2141
03:33:28,700 --> 03:33:52,240
I want to be able to emphasize, I don't know, I'm not clear yet, if there's going to be a parallel focus on the safety track of the

2142
03:33:55,260 --> 03:34:22,220
and I don't wish that upon anyone or her family's and I can tell you, as John is born out of Clay Street as a disaster today, and we think about the track of all of this community. It's absolutely wonderful to see this blossom, but I think we have to be thinking very carefully about the sense of the comments that our original John had made on Clay Street and making this not true. So I hope that you guys will enjoy this.

2143
03:34:22,220 --> 03:34:27,920
that that can be a parallel discussion to think about with the impact there, slowing the

2144
03:34:27,920 --> 03:34:33,840
track down on every of these satellites. There's a lot to think through and I can tell you

2145
03:34:33,840 --> 03:34:41,680
that it's a very major situation and it's like that today and the end of how that would be.

2146
03:34:41,840 --> 03:34:43,580
And there's more cars and more foot traffic.

2147
03:34:46,620 --> 03:34:49,320
I appreciate that. Thank you. We will make it,

2148
03:34:49,380 --> 03:34:54,740
you know, staff has heard you in the comments and I believe it's

2149
03:34:54,740 --> 03:34:59,960
House would be supportive of looking at clay from an investment perspective on the way.

2150
03:35:00,340 --> 03:35:28,260
They gave that, aye, nay, not connected to this development, the development would have been there before, the same street. Before 47, the fact that it wasn't under construction, we didn't have a building that's been sitting there for eight months on there. So we're looking to rectify those things, and I think we should look at improvements we could potentially do for Clay as well over a shorter period of time, over the next two years. Thank you. Other members of the public, which is going forward on the side.

2151
03:35:28,260 --> 03:35:29,060
What's

2152
03:35:37,820 --> 03:35:45,500
it that we fancy about this, but I used to work right on the Northwest corner of New

2153
03:35:45,500 --> 03:35:54,400
Old and Flay, which even here people mentioned nobody seems to talk about. On that Northwest

2154
03:35:54,400 --> 03:36:02,240
corner you've got the county office, the DCFS, you've got the county office, the DHS, and you

2155
03:36:02,240 --> 03:36:10,420
have a finder center roof. Right now, that soft end of Newell Street, west of

2156
03:36:10,420 --> 03:36:17,580
play, is off-screen parking. That is almost always filled with cars. And there's

2157
03:36:17,580 --> 03:36:24,460
car, because again, he's 50 staff. Monday through Friday, he's 35, and you've got

2158
03:36:24,460 --> 03:36:29,120
clients that are coming in. They're taking up street parking on play all the way

2159
03:36:29,120 --> 03:36:30,440
out to North.

2160
03:36:32,780 --> 03:36:38,260
Again, they're taking up all of that in southern real street parking. They're

2161
03:36:38,260 --> 03:36:43,720
going to go somewhere. Those buildings, I was one of the first ones to move into that building

2162
03:36:43,720 --> 03:36:50,900
in 1997 and the state has just been taken to develop that building. They're not going anywhere.

2163
03:36:51,620 --> 03:36:58,360
The clients aren't going anywhere. Their cars are going to go somewhere and I can almost guarantee

2164
03:36:58,360 --> 03:37:03,280
if that parking no longer is available on the soft-ended

2165
03:37:03,280 --> 03:37:06,960
wheel street, they're going to go into those parking lots that have access

2166
03:37:06,960 --> 03:37:12,960
off the clean street because you can see the office for those parking lots.

2167
03:37:13,320 --> 03:37:15,000
They're going to assume it's public parking.

2168
03:37:19,020 --> 03:37:20,160
So they're going to go park there.

2169
03:37:20,600 --> 03:37:26,180
So you're either going to have Pist off residents before Pist off cops coming to get tickets

2170
03:37:26,180 --> 03:37:27,380
because of Pist off.

2171
03:37:27,380 --> 03:37:28,340
I'll have to manage it.

2172
03:37:28,460 --> 03:37:31,520
I mean, if you were to phase this, since 1997 or earlier,

2173
03:37:32,100 --> 03:37:34,520
then again, when this development was coming forward

2174
03:37:34,520 --> 03:37:37,320
originally, with stock station, same situation,

2175
03:37:37,760 --> 03:37:39,140
was there.

2176
03:37:39,520 --> 03:37:42,000
And we've had some zoning discussions right across the globe.

2177
03:37:42,420 --> 03:37:47,060
I can't remember how long ago here to relative to that property

2178
03:37:47,060 --> 03:37:49,960
and that building and the functions that are going on there.

2179
03:37:50,220 --> 03:37:53,120
We're living in our ability to guide what goes there,

2180
03:37:53,480 --> 03:37:55,780
but we do recognize it as an issue.

2181
03:37:55,780 --> 03:38:02,700
Yeah, from on the clock was a lot longer because I'm talking I'm thinking you talked about when they wanted to expand parking there and have the building now

2182
03:38:03,640 --> 03:38:09,880
So that's really a little bit. Yeah, okay, sorry, so it's I don't know but I recognize that it's an issue

2183
03:38:09,880 --> 03:38:14,180
Yeah, and again, it has been slowly again, I've lived through

2184
03:38:15,780 --> 03:38:23,220
Three expansions of that moment because again, there was nothing on the other side of the street and that was part of the battle

2185
03:38:23,220 --> 03:38:31,630
So the administration of the time, again about probably a small office of maybe 15 hours

2186
03:38:31,630 --> 03:38:40,020
and then they expanded the DCFS side, we went to 20 to 30.

2187
03:38:40,800 --> 03:38:48,480
And then DHS used to be outside the town and DHS threatened to leave.

2188
03:38:50,040 --> 03:38:56,600
So the power is that they made a decision to attach them there, and now that built in

2189
03:38:56,600 --> 03:39:05,600
rats around the five-year seminar, but again, by point being, I'm much more lazy to focus

2190
03:39:05,600 --> 03:39:12,940
on that in a session, whoever lives there is going to be facing a lot of client and staff

2191
03:39:12,940 --> 03:39:20,220
traffic, 8.30 a.m. Monday through Friday. And again, if there's going to be parking within

2192
03:39:20,220 --> 03:39:25,500
walking distance of those facilities, the clients are going to park there.

2193
03:39:28,120 --> 03:39:29,020
Okay, do we know you?

2194
03:39:35,400 --> 03:39:36,220
I'm going for a minute.

2195
03:39:36,780 --> 03:39:39,320
I'm trying to, why forget this because I live on the West Side.

2196
03:39:41,000 --> 03:39:47,860
Most often when I leave that residence, I take, and I go to the street where this is annually.

2197
03:39:48,940 --> 03:39:54,040
We learned that our real, the reason for that is because when you're supposed to park in the

2198
03:39:54,040 --> 03:39:59,880
haycap spot that Bart had mentioned, to turn right to go south on play street, that

2199
03:40:05,040 --> 03:40:24,400
So that's just a small thing that I do in my game, change my behavior, but we've only got 10 residents that are pulling in not there. So it's very small traffic. And I notice that most of the folks under west will be as well. So again, just speaking about the increase in traffic and what that does.

2200
03:40:24,400 --> 03:40:25,060
Yeah.

2201
03:40:25,820 --> 03:40:30,100
Again, it's getting to that area of play street, it's really not seen.

2202
03:40:30,340 --> 03:40:32,300
It's a blowout paradise, I've worked at it.

2203
03:40:32,340 --> 03:40:34,080
It really makes it actually have a look at stuff.

2204
03:40:34,480 --> 03:40:36,620
It's something different, control is different.

2205
03:40:38,640 --> 03:40:40,340
It's actually the look, it's actually the look.

2206
03:40:40,900 --> 03:40:44,420
I know, I know I'm not a traffic road, you've worked at any traffic city.

2207
03:40:44,880 --> 03:40:47,500
It's all through my, there's something there.

2208
03:40:48,060 --> 03:40:50,260
And with more colors, you'll look at it.

2209
03:40:50,260 --> 03:40:53,740
It's a deal. You'll have to look at all of those things.

2210
03:40:53,780 --> 03:40:57,260
And Carlos, it's absolutely right that amount of traffic I've been there

2211
03:40:57,260 --> 03:41:01,360
around six years, almost six years, in December, and you know,

2212
03:41:01,400 --> 03:41:04,420
on a track that that center of cross history has increased significantly.

2213
03:41:04,760 --> 03:41:07,300
So, they're going to wonder where it's put, you know,

2214
03:41:07,480 --> 03:41:10,300
in December, I mean, you're going to need it.

2215
03:41:14,480 --> 03:41:15,900
Okay. Thank you.

2216
03:41:16,560 --> 03:41:17,240
Yes, Joe.

2217
03:41:18,120 --> 03:41:18,880
Very briefly.

2218
03:41:20,180 --> 03:41:34,940
And some of you may be already thinking of this, but as we selected the bigger picture of Clay Street, I think it would be very wise to think about what the future of the Thomson blind site in Parking lot could be.

2219
03:41:35,160 --> 03:41:39,180
Or it could be Parking. Or just a little solid. We are very focused on that.

2220
03:41:39,200 --> 03:41:42,020
Yeah, it could be Parking first. We'll stop in a little bit. We'll walk around.

2221
03:41:42,540 --> 03:41:46,880
I just want you to belong to the same page, we can't speak to the details, but we're

2222
03:41:46,880 --> 03:41:47,940
belong to the same page.

2223
03:41:56,340 --> 03:41:57,160
All right, very done.

2224
03:41:57,400 --> 03:42:01,480
I don't want to counsel any comments or questions or discussion that you have on these

2225
03:42:01,480 --> 03:42:02,340
items for action.

2226
03:42:10,010 --> 03:42:17,770
I appreciate the comments from the residents and this, for me, this development has been so

2227
03:42:17,770 --> 03:42:19,030
long in coming.

2228
03:42:19,250 --> 03:42:25,510
I was going to be around breaking for Woodstock Station, I still have the shawl, just as a reminder

2229
03:42:39,950 --> 03:42:45,650
that we've looked at their product, we did site visits, some members of staffing,

2230
03:42:45,810 --> 03:42:49,330
and some members of council to their, you know, to their other locations.

2231
03:42:50,370 --> 03:42:55,290
And this, this parcel needs quality development.

2232
03:42:55,490 --> 03:43:10,650
Okay, as I said before, for me personally, I wish we would have Woodstock Station should have started in about 98 or 99, because then it would have been built by the time the British session did in 2008, but unfortunately that didn't happen.

2233
03:43:11,050 --> 03:43:16,730
So what we have to deal with as a council is the reality of the reality where we stand today.

2234
03:43:16,730 --> 03:43:21,050
And the comments you've made are Julie noted.

2235
03:43:21,650 --> 03:43:24,630
I want to try to work on the ones that we can solve.

2236
03:43:24,930 --> 03:43:29,050
I want the next phase of the architecture, building design,

2237
03:43:29,250 --> 03:43:32,490
those kinds of things to take into account some of the issues

2238
03:43:32,490 --> 03:43:35,550
that were raised and to see the creativity

2239
03:43:35,550 --> 03:43:38,270
in the case of what you guys have done elsewhere.

2240
03:43:38,770 --> 03:43:41,230
That's what I look forward to on the next phase,

2241
03:43:41,610 --> 03:43:42,550
if this passes.

2242
03:43:43,550 --> 03:43:45,030
Council, may I have a question to your comments?

2243
03:43:45,750 --> 03:43:54,290
Okay, we have counsel, we have an item for action, the consideration must be separated into two different items, what's your question?

2244
03:43:55,510 --> 03:43:58,430
I make a motion that we approve on a D1.

2245
03:44:02,180 --> 03:44:02,280
Yes.

2246
03:44:02,280 --> 03:44:05,940
The unit units, one is two hundred and three are in the downtown gate

2247
03:44:09,720 --> 03:44:10,760
and the group live in ordinance,

2248
03:44:10,900 --> 03:44:13,600
authorized in city management and executed and under government control.

2249
03:44:17,340 --> 03:44:21,080
Substantially informed and attached to the ordinance has exhibited a, as such,

2250
03:44:21,180 --> 03:44:24,260
the final review of the group live by city attorney, Dr. Wendell.

2251
03:44:24,560 --> 03:44:25,320
Okay, I have a motion.

2252
03:44:25,400 --> 03:44:25,800
I have a question.

2253
03:44:25,860 --> 03:44:26,360
Flynn is there.

2254
03:44:26,520 --> 03:44:26,740
Second.

2255
03:44:27,160 --> 03:44:27,540
Second.

2256
03:44:27,820 --> 03:44:28,040
Second.

2257
03:44:28,120 --> 03:44:28,360
I have a question.

2258
03:44:28,720 --> 03:44:30,260
The motion approved.

2259
03:44:30,560 --> 03:44:31,220
I have a D1.

2260
03:44:31,860 --> 03:44:32,760
I have a question.

2261
03:44:32,940 --> 03:44:33,520
The motion approved.

2262
03:44:34,140 --> 03:44:36,420
I have a question.

2263
03:44:40,300 --> 03:44:46,440
Council members, the public, Chamberlain, appropriate motion, and second item, item D1, please follow the roll-on motion before we start.

2264
03:44:46,880 --> 03:44:47,880
Council members, may I present?

2265
03:44:48,180 --> 03:44:48,340
Yes.

2266
03:44:49,100 --> 03:44:50,220
Council members, may I?

2267
03:44:50,420 --> 03:44:50,620
Yes.

2268
03:44:53,900 --> 03:44:54,840
Council members, may I?

2269
03:44:54,840 --> 03:44:55,400
Yes.

2270
03:44:55,660 --> 03:44:56,620
Was it a brain?

2271
03:44:56,820 --> 03:44:57,100
Yes.

2272
03:44:57,360 --> 03:44:57,840
Yes.

2273
03:44:58,880 --> 03:44:59,520
I don't know.

2274
03:45:36,100 --> 03:45:39,660
Senate, second, second, second, by council, received, and motion approved.

2275
03:45:39,660 --> 03:45:44,020
to item G2, counseling questions and emotions for us.

2276
03:45:44,640 --> 03:45:46,980
There's a public, any questions in the motion for us?

2277
03:45:47,060 --> 03:45:47,860
Is the motion your through?

2278
03:45:50,100 --> 03:45:52,240
Any questions from council or members of the public?

2279
03:45:52,520 --> 03:45:53,840
Jay, we have a appropriate motion.

2280
03:45:54,060 --> 03:45:56,940
And second item, G2, it was called a role in emotional force.

2281
03:45:57,860 --> 03:45:59,280
Councilor Nguyen Van, yes.

2282
03:45:59,720 --> 03:46:00,300
Councilor Nguyen.

2283
03:46:00,520 --> 03:46:00,780
Yes.

2284
03:46:01,300 --> 03:46:02,040
Councilor Nguyen Seager.

2285
03:46:02,360 --> 03:46:02,540
Yes.

2286
03:46:02,960 --> 03:46:04,080
Councilor Nguyen Van, yes.

2287
03:46:04,480 --> 03:46:05,020
Councilor Nguyen Van.

2288
03:46:05,340 --> 03:46:05,580
Yes.

2289
03:46:06,680 --> 03:46:07,420
Councilor Nguyen Van.

2290
03:46:07,780 --> 03:46:08,020
Yes.

2291
03:46:08,380 --> 03:46:09,000
Mayor Chauvin.

2292
03:46:09,000 --> 03:46:12,460
Yes, and I'm also passing down a few of those present voting.

2293
03:46:13,000 --> 03:46:17,760
I thanks to the developer for bringing this forward to share all sort of members of the public

2294
03:46:17,760 --> 03:46:18,580
that made their progress.

2295
03:46:19,140 --> 03:46:23,900
How does tonight and staff, the free development group is very solid.

2296
03:46:24,480 --> 03:46:25,360
You know, it was very, very wonderful.

2297
03:46:25,620 --> 03:46:26,980
So I appreciate that.

2298
03:46:27,360 --> 03:46:32,340
Looking forward to the next phase and turning this into a great final product.

2299
03:46:32,700 --> 03:46:36,280
And getting shovels in the ground, please.

2300
03:46:38,460 --> 03:46:42,600
All right, Council, that takes us to the last line on the move, that higher request item D3.

2301
03:46:43,060 --> 03:46:50,340
This is moved at the prior request for postponement to be signed indefinite at the request of the petitioner.

2302
03:46:50,800 --> 03:46:59,760
A motion to postpone the time indefinite would be an order, given the motion to be postponement to time indefinite and D3.

2303
03:47:43,900 --> 03:47:44,080
Yes.

2304
03:47:45,240 --> 03:47:45,760
Yes.

2305
03:47:46,420 --> 03:47:46,940
Yes.

2306
03:47:46,940 --> 03:47:47,180
Yes.

2307
03:47:49,940 --> 03:47:50,460
Yes.

2308
03:47:51,240 --> 03:47:51,500
Yes.

2309
03:47:51,760 --> 03:47:55,080
That motion was called passing unanimously.

2310
03:47:55,560 --> 03:47:57,140
That takes us to the last item.

2311
03:47:57,420 --> 03:47:59,020
To take on the seat in the Jenna, which it is.

2312
03:47:59,180 --> 03:48:00,140
Future agenda items.

2313
03:48:00,520 --> 03:48:06,720
Turn your attention to the page 285.

2314
03:48:06,840 --> 03:48:08,000
Last page in your packet.

2315
03:48:08,300 --> 03:48:12,120
These are the items proposed for September 1st and September 15th.

2316
03:48:12,120 --> 03:48:14,560
Just a reminder, I will not be here in the summer,

2317
03:48:14,720 --> 03:48:17,560
first meeting, so if you may, we've got the con.

2318
03:48:18,540 --> 03:48:20,420
Any questions on the chat?

2319
03:48:22,380 --> 03:48:25,320
Any questions, Council on the future agenda items?

2320
03:48:27,980 --> 03:48:30,520
Hearing none, that takes us to the end of the evening's meeting.

2321
03:48:32,650 --> 03:48:33,870
I thank the council,

2322
03:48:36,480 --> 03:48:38,240
your approach and begin managing

2323
03:48:38,240 --> 03:48:41,840
a long meeting, a motion adjourned would be in order.

2324
03:48:42,520 --> 03:48:44,440
So motion by Council, Fleds are second.

2325
03:48:45,020 --> 03:48:46,560
Second by Council and Seagars.

2326
03:48:59,200 --> 03:49:06,500
Thank you very much for putting this together, they need to work very well.