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[0:03] All right, ladies and gentlemen, it is 7.25 a.m. I am going to reconvene and call back to order. This August 18th meeting was for 18th, 20th, 20th, 20th, 16th meeting. It was like city council back into order. And although I'm not required to, I'm going to ask you to roll call for purposes of the record.
[0:25] Council member, here.
[0:28] Councillor Thomson.
[0:29] Here.
[0:30] Councillor Van Route.
[0:31] Here.
[0:32] Councillor Van Route.
[0:33] Here.
[0:34] Councillor Singer's.
[0:35] Here.
[0:35] Councillor Annabelle.
[0:37] Here.
[0:38] Councillor Heather's.
[0:38] Here.
[0:38] The Rabbi reflect all seven members.
[0:41] other words, thoughts?
[0:41] City Council, Jasper, reconvene in the move are being from our normal council chamber since
[0:47] to say all to the Woodstock Opera House
[0:50] Liberation of the Seedings meeting.
[0:54] We, at the time we left,
[0:57] the, we had just started working down our agenda.
[1:00] I'm going to go ahead and restart that process.
[1:03] The first item on the agenda this evening
[1:05] is floor discussion.
[1:07] And under floor discussion, it is a presentation
[1:09] for Murphy Development Group, White and Company,
[1:12] the value cast site plan and architectural update.
[1:15] This item is on the agenda this evening to provide a presentation, a overview and update of the items that are here for action this evening, items D1 and D2 for this Murphy proposed Murphy Development Group, Whitening Company, Chi-Cas Development Group, so for the purposes of this presentation, I am going to turn it over to staff over to Jessica Erickson, who is going to go ahead and group it.
[1:45] reintroduce the purpose, if you will, of the presentation and preview contest, and that
[1:51] you will turn it over to the team from...
[1:58] Thank you, Mary Turner, just briefly.
[2:00] The presentation, this evening, is intended to, by an update, as you said, in terms of
[2:06] the site name and architectural direction.
[2:08] Through recalling last, they last presented to you in May, and there have been some changes
[2:14] in some evolution of the site name.
[2:16] So this is intended to provide some context for the choice that you'll be asked to make
[2:21] clear today in terms of approving earlier seating in terms of approving the redevelopment
[2:26] agreement.
[2:27] We're not asking you to specifically approve anything that's being presented to you.
[2:32] The same plan itself is within the redevelopment agreement, but the architectural design and direction
[2:37] is really just for informational purposes.
[2:39] We're not asking you to approve that.
[2:40] that is seeking.
[2:42] Now that alternate over to, um,
[2:45] quite important.
[2:46] Great.
[2:46] And Chesco, while they're making their way to podium,
[2:49] I'll highlight to Council something that Chesco said,
[2:52] which is the, um,
[2:53] for read about the agreement.
[3:00] Our whole review of the proposal,
[3:03] um, there's still a process to go through as a release.
[3:20] So,
[3:30] something that if you would straighten that mic out
[3:32] and, uh, and let's, uh, give to you,
[3:34] you know, I was at a buzzer all the way.
[3:35] Thank you.
[3:36] Um, we're sure the kind of thing is something to improve today.
[3:38] I know the training is the process of the inter-trip and we, when we start this process,
[3:45] our community, what we're going to do, we're going to do a few,
[3:55] and we plan
[3:58] certainly
[3:59] we're so going to go, there's still a lot of work to do,
[4:04] look and feel that this is more
[4:06] We're really going on with this.
[10:02] This is a rendering, but it's not fun, is that fair to say? I would say that passing is the most part of the kind of work. We think it should be details and colors and things like that.
[10:17] Next step, process, the work is
[10:23] satisfying.
[10:36] I believe there are members of the public that want to make that kind of policy like to make about the proposal. What I'm suggesting is that we hold that to the item for action. I would make sure that's called off the consent
[10:54] issues too.
[10:55] to public issues, to providing food as well.
[10:58] And that's a bit of a staff process,
[11:00] so I'm good, just a bit of that.
[11:05] All right, gentlemen, I appreciate your time.
[11:13] That takes us to the next item under floor discussion,
[11:16] which is public comment.
[11:19] At this time, I invite members of public
[11:21] for supporting the middle of the room.
[11:23] If they're willing to do so,
[11:24] I'd state the name and address the purpose of the letter.
[11:26] Feel free to make comments to the list
[11:28] of our city council meeting and I have not
[11:30] I want to see if it's Jenna.
[11:32] This is reminder of public comment is limited to three minutes per unit.
[11:36] So it works.
[11:38] So public comment is now open.
[11:40] Thank you.
[11:41] I'm Amy Hardy.
[11:43] I live in 1951 Victoria Drive here in Woodstock.
[11:47] But do you mean and welcome to my home for a moment?
[11:51] Then of the friends at the upper house.
[11:54] And tonight I'm here once again to share a really wonderful opportunity
[11:59] that the friends have. If you remember a few minutes ago, I was talking about rainbow fish
[12:05] and that's well underway, very successful. The whole community is getting involved in
[12:11] the production. It's very rehearsals this week. So that's coming up on one of the performances
[12:17] that's already sold out. So we're excited about that. But tonight I'm here to share another project
[12:25] that were undertaken. The Friends of the Opera House are sponsoring the Pioneer Centres Theater
[12:32] production of Frozen right here on stage. It's a project that's very special to us. This is our
[12:41] second year of supporting these remarkable performers from the Pioneer Center. And we will be thrilled
[12:50] have you join us at this reduction. It's next Thursday morning at 10 o'clock. Maybe as well,
[12:57] there's no clock. We can't be there.
[13:01] Hope that you'll consider joining us because it's a wonderful
[13:05] heart-melved time with those clients from the Pioneer Center. It's the support of the members of
[13:15] of the Friends of the Apple House.
[13:17] Their dues, their time, their enthusiasm,
[13:21] and then generous contributions from donors
[13:24] and businesses here in Woodstock,
[13:27] that they all this happened,
[13:29] that ensures the meaningful programs like this continue.
[13:35] So next Thursday, 10 a.m., right here,
[13:39] join us as we celebrate creativity, community,
[13:44] and the joy of making the arts accessible to everyone.
[13:49] Thank you.
[13:50] Thank you.
[13:51] Thank you.
[13:51] Thank you as always for your continued work.
[13:54] And thank you for having me.
[13:58] Other members of the club,
[13:59] which went forward at the board discussion.
[14:02] The next thing,
[14:03] there was unrelated business too,
[14:06] where you can imagine.
[14:07] I just wanted to think those
[14:08] that were planning to email about the details.
[14:10] And the answer,
[14:11] and it is a parenting of a coach saying the first
[14:24] And then also trees, the environmental commission, they were hoping to treat the trees in the
[14:32] transition area and I'd like to follow up on that account for the crossless area.
[14:36] I'm not aware of that, but I'll try to pass across the public, I'll live here again and
[14:42] We'll see that your comment on anything, and I can be mistaken, two years, it's not going to work into this.
[14:48] Thank you.
[14:50] Other members, politicians, don't forward, and we're full of discussion.
[15:44] We are going to hand in the city, and this is a flock statement. This includes decommissioning in the removal of 13 flock camera, flocked up in the AFR cameras, currently installed on every main road and out of town. Canceling the new, please sign content for a six, eight, eight, control, flock, comment, or coming towards zoom cameras that are installed now around this square. This is done within 120 days of installation. The city will, per a mail cancel, they should be, and that's 64,000 people are allowed to task their savings. We can't
[16:15] For canceling the contract, it's said to be reinvested in really, really community safety
[16:20] programs including housing, mental health care, drug treatment, and suicide prevention programs.
[16:26] If the city insists on failing our state for the opening time square, we demand the state
[16:30] final closer option for a regular, regular vendor at the proper due diligence in community
[16:35] input.
[16:36] We know these options exist and are reliable as they are already deployed at the Woodstock
[16:40] train station.
[16:44] When we were not 31 people, 31 voices to the February 3rd City Council meeting
[16:49] in Turbido, to a digital room out of flat, they were told you just missed us as a lot of
[16:55] voices in the room. You took away our voices when you said you elected us to represent you,
[17:00] we made decisions and we have to move on. As a new today, we are 1,926 voices telling you that we want
[17:12] plus 18 out of a second line. Since we've
[17:24] gathered more signatures on them, if you don't
[17:27] know, saying that number is over 2,000 miles. Of the 100, of the 100, the 900-joice
[17:34] signatures, 887 from people that call with stockpile. The people who live here, you're not
[17:41] on mass surveillance like this in their own town.
[17:44] Of the 1,926 signatures, 1,396 were from a Henry County,
[17:52] which I imagine on the court's visit for a town
[17:55] that drives a lot of its economic power from tourism.
[18:00] They did not want mass surveillance like this in Wolfsock.
[18:03] Of the 1,926 signatures, 768 were collected
[18:08] from people right here on Wolfsock Square.
[18:10] These are not hypothetical visitors. We didn't approach any of them. These are people in the square who saw her move and came over to talk to us.
[18:19] These 768 people do not want mass surveillance like this in Woodstock.
[18:24] Regarding scale of these numbers, I'd like to point out that they are determined in the garnered 1,650 votes, total in the last election,
[18:33] and that the yes voters on the council, Greg Tom and Bob each collected about a thousand votes.
[18:40] Those princes you are over your time, but a lot of you have read about it.
[18:43] I just need like 30 seconds.
[18:46] Anyway, we want to subdued by these statistics, represents significant chunk of voters
[18:50] who elected you to represent us.
[18:53] You're going to hear from your constituents again tonight, and this time I hope you listen
[18:59] because we will not be going anywhere until this type of massive balance is rooted from our time.
[20:00] Kent, Ohio, Bloomington, Indiana, Denver, and Los Angeles, Oak Park, and Evans, in Illinois,
[20:10] Lockhart, Texas, Green River, Wyoming, from small towns to major metropolitan areas, from
[20:18] Salem, Massachusetts to Salem, Illinois, in blue, purple, and red states. These are just
[20:24] a few of the over 100 municipalities that have canceled for rejecting contracts of
[20:29] block safety in the last couple of years, and this all of them, but I only have three minutes.
[20:36] Many of these municipalities canceled due to overwhelming public opposition to the technology.
[20:41] Who could have predicted that in an era of deep division,
[20:45] opposition to flat cameras and data centers otherwise known as unregulated tech companies
[20:50] taking advantage of communities would be the thing that's fine in the United
[20:54] Americans. People with every political meaning, hate, mass, violence, tech, it's not
[21:01] about being anti-loyal enforcement, but rather protecting our Fourth Amendment
[21:05] rights privacy and those two things have always been hell-intentioned in our
[21:10] democracy. We do have rights privacy even in public spaces like the Woodstock Square.
[21:17] To paraphrase Ohio State University history professor Dr. Vietnam Trin, we
[21:21] We have the right to not be pre-investigated by law enforcement and have details about
[21:26] our vehicles, phones, and physical characteristics, track and add-on to data bases without problem
[21:32] caused or warrant.
[21:35] Because less invasive and more affordable technology like CCTV exists, my request to you tonight
[21:41] is to not only cancel the city's contract with law safety, but to implement a full band
[21:46] a new one-stop, an ALPRs, and an environmental cameras from any vendor.
[21:51] Technology is outpace full of rally and our legislation.
[21:55] Companies like Flock has slip marketing materials and sales teams
[21:59] whose job it is to persuade you to buy it.
[22:02] I want you to know that it's okay to reconsider
[22:04] and acknowledge that this company sold you a technology
[22:07] that doesn't serve our community.
[22:10] To me, it's actually a sign of both courage and strength
[22:13] the character to take in new information, feedback, and change your mind. I urge you to do that
[22:20] today and get these cameras off our square and out of our community. Thank you.
[23:01] We keep our local elected officials, department hats, and our family safe.
[23:05] We would operate no differently than how the government
[23:07] current monitors over their citizens using automated license,
[23:10] like they are some farm cameras.
[23:12] How the buy is, you deploy high-resolution cameras,
[23:15] a act out of a tribunal monitor, everywhere around the official bill, will all read you
[23:20] so.
[23:21] Which, after using this, will church you attend?
[23:24] Who, you mean for lunch?
[23:25] The exact second you go into your driveway night.
[23:28] We'll store it all in a centralized searchable diagnosis.
[23:31] If you have an appropriate name for us, you have a month in worry about, right?
[23:35] After all, it's all the names that you need to tell a building.
[23:39] And that idea makes you some, churn, it should.
[23:43] That's good.
[23:43] But because what makes it unsettling isn't the novelty of the technology, is the total
[23:48] dismantling of our concept,
[23:52] we have warmly straggnosed surveillance, therefore the members
[23:55] are going rid of it.
[23:56] We're in a general warrants way, the practice of searching everyone in hopes of finding someone
[24:01] guilty, tracking thousands of innocent murderists to 24-7 without reasonable suspicion, or
[24:06] a problem we call as a chance to presumed innocence on a tent.
[24:09] Then, the multi-hand effect, taking a single car and a bulk of road 19 armless and isolation,
[24:16] but aggregating weeks of months of location data and some intimate purchase of someone's
[24:21] private life, political associations, medical appointments, daily routines, and their private
[24:27] data retention risks, something I'm intimately familiar with for 20 months years in the 19th
[24:32] year, handling millions of location records all over the place on the track to target,
[24:41] unauthorized
[24:41] crossroads they should share in, surveillance group that mean to pop it over site,
[24:45] or strict, spiritual guidelines.
[24:48] When you track every move under the pre-citizen going about the real life,
[24:52] you are essentially riding public safety.
[24:54] They are building an infrastructure suspicion.
[24:56] They are treating them in residence,
[24:58] who drives down roads or walks down.
[25:00] As if they are a suspect, hold back. The truth is, I'd never build a public item, duh, probably. I would, because it's fundamentally wrong. Just like what you've done to the square with luck is wrong. Thank you.
[25:34] I've been doing this talk for 17 years. I'm not for my parents in place. I do not expect to speak today. I don't know if I can prepare, but I do have to say that I had better felt in any way.
[25:48] anyway, as if my town represents a place that is not safe.
[25:54] I've raised my children in the square,
[25:56] it has been a safer ground for me,
[25:58] that has been a place that has brought so much peace
[26:00] and joy to me and is a strip of a very notion
[26:05] that for some reason, I can see the statistics
[26:09] that this particular square, this particular town
[26:12] needs surveillance in this manner, I would like to see
[26:16] I really have appreciated some of that before it all went in.
[26:20] How many thousands of dollars did you say?
[26:22] You've heard a million, they're 25,000 people.
[26:25] 10 times that was probably spent just for that.
[26:28] And where is this money actually going to benefit us
[26:32] in one space and into one end?
[26:36] Is this giving our community a better feeling?
[26:38] Is it giving us a good stop feeling?
[26:40] Is it giving us a better, I don't feel safer
[26:45] or because of it, I can tell you, I'm a person who, free-flowing,
[26:49] people, I don't even feel like high-medicals
[26:52] unsafe in this town.
[26:53] So maybe there are some spots that need some help.
[26:56] I'm not the guest there, but I'm amongst all the other things
[27:00] that are being said in a way that this is presented.
[27:03] I think it's terrible.
[27:05] The
[27:43] people, the institute, the will, lots of people.
[27:46] Not to shake wood, stop recording pure winds.
[27:49] Not to ignore your constituents.
[27:51] you are public servants. You are more of all of the learnings and when you fall on the
[27:57] spending tax pair money on a system that is improving time and time again to be right
[28:02] from its use. You have brazenly put the lives and privacy of those citizens in danger
[28:08] to obstinately all of their own ideals for its state of wood stock.
[28:13] You are allowing every resident, every visitor, to be treated as a controlled criminal.
[28:19] You are also personally subjected to having criminal actions possibly taken against them, selling your citizens' lives and privacy
[28:29] for the illusion of safety.
[28:32] Partnering with the company in the time of many of the other customers are opening their eyes and drumming shit.
[28:37] If you want to show true strength, you will admit you are wrong and cancel this contract with block before you possibly end up in a paper like holiday bills did.
[28:48] As a founder, Ben Franklin, wisely stated, those who would give up essential liberty to
[28:54] purchase a little temporary safety, there's a reminder of liberty or safety.
[28:59] I hope you provided that up to admit your mistake and rectify your actions.
[29:04] Thank you for your time.
[29:24] Now the constituents of my kids do go to his back schools, and it makes me sick to think
[29:30] of my children being seen by these black cameras. Because I don't live in woodstock itself, and
[29:36] Crystal Lake is not that much further. I will tell you I have really avoided coming to woodstock
[29:41] for tourism. Crystal Lake is honestly just as nice. So why do I come to the office with black cameras
[29:47] in their square. Thank you.
[30:36] Aye, aye, nay, nay, nay, nay, nay, nay, nay, nay.
[30:38] still have faith in this democratic institution,
[30:42] faith in this pencil, faith in this narrow law
[30:44] that's entrusted pretty to the least.
[30:46] But we got, or it, what we call anti-government,
[30:50] anti-hot radicals by the police team in emails received
[30:54] from a oil request.
[30:56] We seek to you when our trust eroded.
[30:59] We cannot trust the government
[31:01] going to expand its cattle to the sake of control like this.
[31:05] I cannot trust the government
[31:07] and work air to free its citizens as criminals until proven otherwise by surveilling the innocent and guilty of life enough orange.
[31:15] Now, of course, government surveillance is not a new practice, a new employee can fend you with AI.
[31:21] America has a long history of treating its black and queer populations as criminals before humans.
[31:27] What they got for an act was what Latino talked about, or at least,
[31:33] talks breathing down their neck and what happens to them now that we're all
[31:37] treated as second-class citizens. Well, Latinos are in track of the street
[31:42] and dealing with constant tracing and speed of trial, because block has previously
[31:47] partnered with ICE and let them access the location they are of every Hispanic
[31:52] encouraging the country they could fight, violating Illinois law, and the way
[31:57] our attorney general had to punish them for it. The plus fortunate in us will
[32:02] not have the privilege to be made second-class citizens, they already are. What they
[32:07] will be treated as is gone. The people of Whitsock and the United States only
[32:14] have sand to lose. Human life I've looked like to know where I am at every set. No one
[32:20] us. We will not live treated as criminals without warrants or trial because we want to exist in a public
[32:28] space. America is founded and made country free ideas and made competing visions of the one
[32:35] consistent thing. All Hillary America is meant to stand over. He said he democratically free. We will
[32:44] You might be ruled without the consent and faith of the gun, and the government must justify its intervention into our lives.
[32:52] Those are the bounding principles on American liberalism.
[32:56] As inspired by John Locke, you heard the people's voice when I was here months ago.
[33:02] Turner, and you didn't care.
[33:04] You told us you were a libertarian, a heart and then you, your counsel and your cops decided you needed more control.
[33:13] This council is up for re-election in two months.
[33:17] Thankfully, the ones up for re-election that we can keep in here are the ones who voted to keep law out.
[33:25] There are more than that.
[33:28] So you are over your time, so I'll pass you that.
[33:31] I'll pass you that.
[33:32] Single paragraph.
[33:33] Okay.
[33:35] Take title petition as a vote of confidence that you had your change and you lost our trust to protect us or rights.
[33:44] and our dignity as Americans and people of what's on it you say and that's
[33:48] those in power about over you saying with me and telling the cops and your
[33:53] government no people hate this fascist trash tell every over you know what
[33:58] her and his company's did to it this is a lot of people we know a lot more this
[34:04] ways of election loose in December of night signing off not
[34:31] from what's not
[34:32] from the area but I did drive an hour to attend here tonight to hear what many who have just
[34:39] spoken about mass surveillance were received by this distinguished board. I just want to let you
[34:44] know as a tourist and some of the business with many woodstock businesses consider the fact that all
[34:52] this negative publicity which by the way since I'm here is no longer within the walls of woodstock
[34:57] or even a 10-reconvening.
[35:00] We'll start to affect how dollars are spent, we'll start to affect how people do business here. I love this job, I love Brown and Hawkeye. I love all of the things that we're starting to focus on. But myself, my business, I'm not going to do business with a board and a city and village that is greater than that.
[36:01] a few of us did not represent the city, we understood a lot, we had gathered signatures,
[36:15] we've seen the signatures in one of the small form, I think you've seen in another recently.
[36:21] each one of these here represents one signature and if you look around here
[36:28] these are people who signed that petition and here in these buckets are more please
[36:37] I
[36:49] saw for you pink, I
[37:53] was starting to want you
[37:55] didn't update the flexes and her vehicle was flagged, she was pulled over on my way
[38:01] I just buy our cars, guns, junk, okay?
[38:07] There are instances of all of this country
[38:11] of similar things happening.
[38:13] There are some women who have actually gone to jail for weeks
[38:18] so they can clear off the fact that it's a false work
[38:21] that could happen there.
[38:23] We have seen women and it seems to happen to women a lot.
[38:26] We have seen women being stopped.
[38:32] We have seen all kinds of temptations that some lift opposition will still come to.
[38:40] It's a problem.
[38:41] And my thing is, if you think it's not that you have been here, you're being naive.
[38:46] Not to mention, so far, that you want to shut down even more deep,
[38:51] because the woman immediately stood still and shut.
[38:55] But had she moved in most of this office to be turned up as a make-different Russian moving towards them?
[39:02] We would have somebody dead because of the black camera.
[39:06] And it is a matter of time before the happens.
[39:09] And I'm not getting to my mouth, I'm telling you this is a warning sign of what's to come.
[39:16] And the other thing I'm going to say is that with these cameras, a lot of argument, a lot of people argue,
[39:22] Well, if you're not doing anything wrong, just have no problem with it.
[39:26] Well, I wanted to quote Edward Snowden, saying that is the same.
[39:30] You have no issues with losing your first moment, right?
[39:33] Because you have nothing to say.
[39:57] You've all sold in a photo of the citizens.
[40:08] All right. All right. All right. All right.
[40:10] there, and it's been there for 13 years. There was a break prior to that, and I had another
[40:16] shop called Perk Relation, and it was over on Menon. So, over time, I had 30 years to observe
[40:23] in Woodstock Square, to be aware of most of the crying activity that might be there. It's
[40:30] not totally complete of that, but it's been very rare. Because of the shops that I own,
[40:40] and
[40:40] I do views, glass, and these kilns.
[40:42] I come and go from a shop all times
[40:45] at the 24-hour Central Act of this meeting.
[40:48] I'll be going back to check on the kiln.
[40:51] So I'm on the square a lot.
[40:54] And I'm a citizen for a long time.
[40:57] And one of the people that put some of you
[40:59] behind those tables.
[41:02] The most operative and diseninstration
[41:04] in most of this console is to be little,
[41:09] the people that show up, and I don't mean verbally.
[41:13] And if there were not a meeting,
[41:15] Councilman Seeker said the people that were there
[41:18] that night against that subdivision
[41:20] were the only people against it.
[41:22] Is if they were the iceberg,
[41:24] when they were actually the tip of the iceberg.
[41:26] It happened again in February, and you were simply asked
[41:30] to reconsider this to take part or to not vote yet.
[41:36] The people there wanted you to do that,
[41:38] that were somehow the only people that felt that way.
[41:43] That people here tonight are not anti police.
[41:47] They're not anti surveillance, they're not anti safety.
[41:51] They're pro police, they're pro safety,
[41:54] and they're pro pro surveillance, a close circuit system.
[41:59] Which many say that
[42:03] one that was often heard earlier
[42:07] mentioned maybe five percent of the cities
[42:09] she could rally off.
[42:10] Most of them, many of them are gone to the closed-circuit system and when they drop the flock,
[42:18] subscription, the contract, or didn't renew or cancel them in some cases, we didn't contract.
[42:24] The people here tonight are pro police. Pro police are they once done, property, pro safety.
[42:33] We are not the eyes for each of us knows two, three, four or nine people. Each time those numbers
[42:38] which you were given, which is a petition that we're going beyond today.
[42:43] We're the 10th of the iceberg.
[42:45] We're going to put you there, and you should listen to what we have to say.
[42:49] That it's not in your track record.
[42:51] I talk to these meetings on my own choice.
[42:53] Some people ask me to come.
[42:55] And every time I leave, not leave, I feel nobody is listening.
[43:00] And to make statements that indicate they're all new people here.
[43:04] They're the only people speaking out in the matter of speaking out.
[43:06] It is a truth. We have not the iceberg. We are going to take the iceberg and place this to it. Thank you.
[43:42] I've lived in Woodstock for a lot of years. I've lived in County County for 20. I am a software engineer.
[43:51] Well, I have this paper. It's a blog post. It is dated June 10th, 2021.
[43:58] on. It is a proxy, if you want to post. This is the date in which they announced their
[44:06] first transparency portal. And find it interesting that it was stocked and on their, our transparency
[44:14] portal in so Friday.
[44:19] I would like to also emphasize that it is too little too late. The transparency
[44:25] people are like kind of quitting it too late.
[44:27] Our fourth amendment got laid off
[44:29] in the transparency portal is like,
[44:31] an Amazon gift card for a $100 reference.
[44:34] We have to admit that a lot of support
[44:42] has actually grown since the city announced
[44:45] the transparency portal.
[44:46] So thank you for the awareness I'm talking about it.
[44:52] I would like to say, please do the right thing
[44:55] and stop clock. We will respect you if you...
[45:11] I would also say to everyone here, there are two local elections to pay attention to. As someone mentioned, three people that voted against block will be on the screen. So pay attention. It's very important to vote in local elections.
[45:30] My observation, I was raised in McKenna County, I was raised in, you know, the Devil's County, also known as Go Coming.
[45:39] So, I would say, my observations that local politics does run on an apathy, so it's very important that we do show up.
[45:49] Take a look at the numbers in the last election that were very small.
[45:53] The other day's human mind is the spring of 2029 and what the rest of this group will be up for production.
[46:04] So one really big thing is the planters in front of the metro station look awesome.
[46:09] So whoever to that, thanks again.
[46:12] Thank you everyone.
[46:14] Thank you very much.
[46:16] Thank you for listening and responding tonight.
[46:19] That's something that I appreciate it.
[46:42] It's not flogging itself.
[46:44] I am what was thought president.
[46:46] I am closely real here, moved away for a few years,
[46:48] and then came back to discover my town
[46:51] was being taken over by a massacre list.
[46:53] And I have a few things that I would like to say.
[46:56] I agree with everything that everyone else has said.
[46:59] I want to thank you first and foremost
[47:01] for being here and listening to us.
[47:03] And I also want to remind the council
[47:05] and the police department that we are not anti-police.
[47:08] We actually believe in them doing their work and doing a good job.
[47:14] We are just anti-master defense in the context when it comes to flocking a lot of
[47:20] flock technology or flock light technology.
[47:26] I'd also like to remind the city council that companies such as founders,
[47:30] Flund and Axel have invested in flock safety and have connections with Deputy Epstein.
[47:35] I also like to remind the council of the story of Dunwoody, California, for, sorry, Dunwoody, Georgia,
[47:42] where Black use life footage from the children's gymnasium as a sales terminal without their consent.
[47:51] Black then scrub the audit data that show that the access these cameras.
[47:57] You may have worked really hard on this contract to keep our data our data.
[48:01] However, I don't believe that the reports we've heard from around the country showed to be trust,
[48:06] show them to be trustworthy or safe.
[48:09] Stop pumping the stuff.
[48:11] Also
[48:32] the stuff I'm gonna start.
[48:34] My call to start my home for 30 years is at this
[48:38] in my home, my brother, and I know this is the very one,
[48:46] one of the first is actually hearing is that
[48:47] we don't have a reasonable expectation of the privacy
[48:52] in the world,
[48:56] the phrase that we don't have
[49:00] a reasonable expectation of the privacy in the world.
[49:13] But the Supreme Court has a rule on cases that have established
[49:18] a GPS tracking and phone location tracking
[49:21] count as searches on it at the bottom of the map.
[49:25] One such case is part of the VD United States,
[49:29] in which the court ruled that law enforcement
[49:32] requires a warrant to access historical stuff from location data
[49:36] and do some of the out of warrant and constitutes a fourth amendment violation
[49:40] because individuals have a reasonable expectation of privacy in the whole of their physical movements.
[49:47] The whole of their physical movements in the part of the Carthage Center society,
[49:53] We live in as Americans, if you want us to stay at you,
[49:56] Paul's having the choice, let's use the roads to be too far.
[50:01] I have to use the road, use the road, which is five hours past all. And as far as surveillance
[50:10] network, it sits around 130,000, possibly 8,000 readers, currently. So, around the morning,
[50:18] we're allowed force content essentially, track your requirements anywhere in the country.
[50:24] The world's analogy is constantly changing, and while technology advances, better
[50:30] We're ever increasing speed to the course of the penalty line behind.
[50:35] With the country group, we've been coming to where,
[50:37] at the more aware of all these channels,
[50:40] I've almost guaranteed that this issue of whether,
[50:42] whether it wasn't for me,
[50:44] when we're here to try live before the moment,
[50:46] will end up at the speed improvement.
[50:48] So, if you do that, especially if you want to take a gamble,
[50:52] with the cameras that you spent on our test, that was on today,
[50:55] then almost a quarter of a million of today
[50:57] in one of five years on a chance that they
[51:00] further the climate complot sometime in the future.
[51:03] But that 41-12-12 cloud clause section in the contract
[51:07] that you specifically put in for this kind of scenario,
[51:11] as well as that kind of problem.
[51:17] As you can see, there's a sense of this issue
[51:19] and to vote for the chances of these contracts
[52:16] You
[52:18] see a country that left places like China because of their mass surveillance.
[52:24] How would they let that happen?
[52:25] How would people let their government watch their remote?
[52:33] This is how we get there.
[52:34] This is how we get to be a country that we can work on
[52:43] and run our mass surveillance.
[52:44] This is how we build our freedoms.
[52:45] This is how freedom dies.
[52:48] One step at a time.
[52:51] You might maybe like the pre-industration, maybe you didn't like, maybe you're not getting
[52:56] like the last one.
[52:57] But you're going to have a bottle at some point that you don't like.
[53:02] And do you want them, knowing where you are, all the time?
[53:09] Have issues.
[53:11] If you don't want them, you can't afford your Michigan to buy me.
[53:15] And then the Indiana cops use luck.
[53:18] track them and rest them for buying legal care business,
[53:22] they can cross and save lives.
[53:23] We have had people be arrested in states like Texas,
[53:27] because they come to other states to get abortions,
[53:30] and then they go back home and they get arrested for it.
[53:34] This is mass surveillance.
[53:36] I don't want to precedent to be leveled.
[53:40] And Mrs. Quodal, I'm trying to hold you in the sand,
[53:43] dress apart just because you couldn't stop
[53:45] without any shit.
[53:48] This
[53:55] is your opt-in type of moment.
[53:57] When he was building a biology book he said maybe we just spread the world, maybe we've done it.
[54:01] They created the thing, they did it and they didn't think about what they were doing until after it happened.
[54:07] You have the opportunity now to look at this technology.
[54:12] We have all placed ourselves with what we have built.
[54:15] We do not understand the ramifications yet.
[54:17] only later on really when we have 2029 sites when we're all being watched by the
[54:24] dialogue we've all been watched by. The
[54:29] systems are not safe, they're made by humans, they're
[54:31] fellow. Who's the state of some hurt or can't access the cameras and watch the kids and
[54:38] follow them and track them?
[54:43] It will happen.
[54:46] It hurts you to get out of this contract.
[54:51] It is
[54:52] That's not some unstatement or result when
[54:57] that was for real, when that was China.
[55:08] We
[55:54] were all cast aside that we were not the main voices of this town. We did not represent the majority. Well, please look at this room. We are the majority. But we are the majority in this country. This is an issue, despite the fractures system.
[56:16] that we have. From right to left and everywhere in between, we all agree. We don't want the
[56:24] government and our God damn business. We don't want you to find us. We don't want this system.
[56:33] Here or outside, we've had position sign and then speak since I'm earlier. We're going to keep being
[56:41] side. Okay, this is not going away. We're staying here so the cameras are gone. And I'm
[56:49] so you understand that our voices are not going to grow silent. They're going to get stronger
[56:56] and stronger until you understand that this is the majority of people.
[57:06] The reason why I keep
[57:11] I love you. Don't dismiss it again. This is the norm. And don't keep becoming the norm.
[57:20] And that's really all I have to say. Jesus is in His people. They're good people.
[57:26] And I really get to keep coming until you actually listen to them. Thank you.
[57:55] What's actually has always, always, has been so much safer. Growing up where I was a trans man,
[58:02] All this stuff is if somebody is looking over rational, waiting to harm me.
[58:08] This is what we are doing to this community.
[58:10] You are making me feel as though there's somebody continuously looking over rational,
[58:15] waiting to do anything,
[58:18] wanting to come up here, to speak with the other people,
[58:22] specifically the other queer people.
[58:24] This is not making this community safe.
[58:27] It is bringing fear.
[58:28] I want to give you a question, not to answer, to mean, to the rest of the people that you're
[58:34] breathing and searching for.
[58:37] Do you feel like a big man is taking away the rights of the people
[59:10] that you stand in your
[59:11] history?
[59:11] For those of you who know this town will know what that means, I live directly on the Woodstock
[59:16] Square.
[59:17] My contour is directly between down to earth and animate.
[59:21] To something I've always loved.
[59:24] To be right in the heart of your city, to walk outside and be in the middle of a car show
[59:28] or a movie night or a concert, but this makes it something that I no longer want to live there.
[59:35] I shouldn't feel observed every time I leave my home. I shouldn't feel like my movements are being
[59:40] tracked every time I go get groceries or to pick up a late night boardache. Yes, the squares
[59:46] above the place, but it is also my home, and it is nobody's business when I am and I'm not there,
[59:52] or who I decide to have over. How would you feel if somebody had a security camera pointed
[59:57] And directly, I go from the door that cuts.
[1:00:00] Thank you, thank you, thank you.
[1:00:19] We will see you through the clock cameras installed in our talk. In February, we may return to stated that he, quote, did not want 24-7 drones surveillance on, quote, of the square, is that, that, look, that, that is the exact future that he has created for every resident of Woodstock, when casting a tie-breaking vote to the board of the clock system. Council, you sat there and listened to your constituents' concerns, passed 1 a.m. that night. I'm sure you were wondering.
[1:00:45] We had our case of your protections cast aside and City on the private CCTV options were neglected.
[1:00:52] If you're unwilling to remove the fly cameras, our request at the very least, City Council should amend its recently released police dental order.
[1:01:00] Further, the Woodstock Police Department General Order number 30-007 on page 7 under item F2B and F2C.
[1:01:10] the policy states, quote, the period of time for retention
[1:01:14] for meetings and square security camera data,
[1:01:17] that are not part of the ongoing investigations,
[1:01:20] shall we 30 days, and the time period of the retention
[1:01:23] of hits, shall we 30 days, unquote.
[1:01:27] Flux latest privacy update on 813,
[1:01:30] states of the company now recommend
[1:01:32] a seven-day default data retention period,
[1:01:36] instead of the 30-day period previously recommended.
[1:01:38] I request that this policy, if we review it in alter,
[1:01:42] as it's played an invasion of our plans,
[1:01:44] we should have had a minimum reset
[1:01:46] to the lowest time period possible.
[1:01:49] Municipalities in the world and the United States
[1:01:51] have been making up the desires
[1:01:52] of its constituents, and you should do the same.
[1:01:55] Regardless of policies set on how the law enforcement agents
[1:01:58] are properly used, the systems of uses do happen.
[1:02:02] Dozens of cases have a marriage nationwide
[1:02:04] of the law enforcement personnel
[1:02:06] of use of their access to block networks,
[1:02:08] looks to stock, moderate, and track-romantic
[1:02:10] partners, exodus, and civilians.
[1:02:13] Internally, police analyses in California revealed 71% of
[1:02:18] automated license plate alerts were contained misread
[1:02:22] characters in Wisconsin and several other states.
[1:02:25] Innocent occupants are out of gun points due to these
[1:02:28] errors.
[1:02:30] More and more of these cases of misidentifications are
[1:02:33] current every month, and posted police policies can only
[1:02:36] protected individuals so much in the heat of the moment. Thank you for your time and I hope
[1:02:41] that we consider what is truly important to be able to accept.
[1:02:55] Well, my name is Anis Valera and I live in a 4-in-7 western street. I've lived in
[1:03:02] Woodstock for five years around that and have yet to witness any major crimes that
[1:03:09] these flat carers are supposedly supervising as far as I know. And I want to keep in
[1:03:16] mind. I'm a teenager and I'm speaking out of this. I have no voice. And I'm still speaking
[1:03:23] out of this because I know it's not right. Instead of sending these citizens taxes on these
[1:03:32] block cameras, many users are money to protect schools. Every day, when I walk into my school,
[1:03:40] I fear the sound of a shot, of a shot from a gun.
[1:03:45] The safety loss of these carers, but I haven't heard anything against guns in schools for a while.
[1:03:59] Regarding these things, again, I don't want to live in a town where cameras are watching me spend time in my everyday life as a teenager.
[1:04:11] And we will continue to speak and protest and be as loud as we can so we are truly safe.
[1:04:17] And I'm going to be back and seek on behalf of every single person including teenagers in this room
[1:04:24] that we are fed up with being spy on by these cameras.
[1:04:30] So if you want your citizens to feel safe, then stop playing these goddamn cameras, spy on our everyday life.
[1:04:40] Thank you.
[1:04:57] Thank you.
[1:04:58] I like the sign of hope.
[1:05:38] If all of us here tonight cannot appeal to your sense of morality, Jesus Christ, listen to these people, I hope we can, at least, little kilter sense of tourism. Nobody is going to want to come into this town. Nobody will want to come to swear. If they can't be there, without six cameras on them, they can end to the town without being flied by one or two.
[1:06:01] I've
[1:06:22] been spending the same flight, I'm fucking happy, and I've been seeing every day people
[1:06:29] are saying it tonight.
[1:06:30] I don't see much more to add, except that I would just like to say, I don't know what it's
[1:06:35] really going to do to you, but I want to add a point that's about many times already,
[1:06:41] your power, your position on this council always says, because we'll meet on the people.
[1:06:52] You've seen the count of people who have signed the petition.
[1:06:57] There has been this reason I hope it should have been enough to show that there is genuine
[1:07:03] there's no attraction behind this idea.
[1:07:06] There's no friend's side of the line, radical idea that we don't want mass surveillance in our communities.
[1:07:15] You should understand about every signature there was so many more who hadn't heard of this
[1:07:23] petition, who haven't been able to make it here today.
[1:07:27] Block cameras are not safety, they are a violation of the privacy we as human beings deserve.
[1:07:35] I hope you will leave it in your position on the map, if not even for the sake of the community,
[1:07:40] You are supposed to be representing for the sake of your own sway in that community. Thank you. I hope you have your attention.
[1:07:49] I'm
[1:08:03] working on my own very little.
[1:08:06] I don't have anything as impactful as what we are going to talk to you. I don't tell you that.
[1:08:12] Regardless of what happens tonight or the day after.
[1:08:15] After I moved out of the museum with some square of their cameras and I just called my friends, my family, my teachers at the college, I went to my classmates, and even when I straight up they sent my friendly semi-level conversation with about these cameras, about the time when we came to and we talked to you for a very long time, and maybe you listen maybe you didn't will see, but this leads this goes everywhere. I brought the only person who will be doing this.
[1:08:43] Your policy points is, sorry, your actions have policy points, even if you can't see them yet.
[1:08:49] Thank you.
[1:09:09] Thank you very much to the council.
[1:09:10] I was not planning on speaking tonight, but I just call this a class stop.
[1:09:14] I believe it was like for, or for 20 years then.
[1:09:19] And during that time, I've been fairly active with the other community, both in Riverside and across the county.
[1:09:28] and I'm going to be honest with you, I wasn't planning on speaking because I don't know what to do with my concern.
[1:09:37] I've had opportunities, I've engaged with Hispanic connections, I have enjoyed it.
[1:09:45] The Mexican Independence Day celebration that happens on the Woodstock Square every year that I've been here.
[1:09:50] And there's a party that says, I have a raise at the moment to tell any immigrant that comes
[1:09:57] on September 13th.
[1:10:02] Our six hearing
[1:10:14] documents are undocumented, flocks got you. Thank you. That's my concern, because I
[1:10:22] love Mexican independence day, but I will not be a part of any of my immigrant brothers
[1:10:29] and sisters getting snacked on September 14th because they came and were sold up by
[1:11:26] We decided to buy our own woodstock so that we can walk into the square so that we can have our
[1:11:35] whole place that not everyone does.
[1:11:37] Everyone has a walkable beautiful city square that you can go and enjoy the businesses down here and get lunch.
[1:11:47] And now that's not a place I want to go.
[1:11:48] I worked in Ikea for over 10 years and predominantly in cloud storage and
[1:11:54] governments and I can tell you just with the way that cloud handles itself and
[1:11:59] the problem that it's in this would not ask muster with end corporation. I have
[1:12:06] seen contracts get canceled even with the data that I handled for my current
[1:12:12] job and knowledge management is very, you know, non-specialized, non-sensited data
[1:12:17] and we are not allowed to share it outside the company with anyone for any reason.
[1:12:23] With Flock, it is creating a pattern of life that is going to be able to be
[1:12:28] to be accessed by people who are outside of our law.
[1:12:34] I trust the Woodstock Police Department. That doesn't mean I trust other police departments.
[1:12:38] That doesn't mean we know how other police firms conduct themselves,
[1:12:42] how rigorous they are with their data, and if we can't trust that we should not be able to give them access
[1:12:49] us on a feather to every
[1:12:52] people here in need of a wonderful argument that we have amazing
[1:12:57] get out of jail free card which is that we can cancel this black contract, stop free,
[1:13:02] and have CCTV footage and then we know we can trust our government with our privacy
[1:13:08] and not have a pattern of life created with a private company that we can't trust.
[1:13:15] The black CEO has called people for against black terrorists and it's only been on the last
[1:13:21] a couple of weeks that he's really started to walk back
[1:13:23] those statements and say, maybe we made some bad decisions.
[1:13:27] Maybe not everything is perfect.
[1:13:29] And I think they're doing that because they're on their
[1:13:32] back foot.
[1:13:32] They know there are problems and they're
[1:13:34] going to be a lot more.
[1:13:35] Let's take this opportunity to cancel our block contract.
[1:13:39] And to have this DCT footage that is going to make everyone
[1:13:42] feel safer, we still get the security of the police
[1:13:47] to permit ones, not the city ones.
[1:13:48] and needed to feel safe not having this footage in a private company's hands.
[1:13:53] Thank you very much.
[1:14:17] I wanted to be the only business owner that stood up.
[1:14:21] Yeah, reverse your decision, taking the casket on the owner of Pempscot Farms.
[1:14:27] And when we move in, I drive my sign as a business owner,
[1:14:32] that is being legislated out of business as a member of Fort Deed.
[1:14:36] I thought this statement from Benjamin Franklin, which has already been shared tonight, so I won't say it again.
[1:14:47] We're always looking for more safety, for more safety, for more safety.
[1:14:53] And I think we've heard it loud and clear tonight that we're not seeking that.
[1:15:00] We're not asking, we're not, we're not so fearful that we need to have these cameras. So I'm a business owner. I don't want these cameras in my community either. And I just want to community to know that there are a lot of businesses in this community that don't want this either. Thank you.
[1:15:34] I'm a business owner at the square. I know a couple of you personally and I felt it was important to add to that.
[1:15:40] No, that business owners and what stuff don't want us. I'm a young business owner. I only shop with my partner really.
[1:15:49] It's pretty cute. We live in what stuff. Just off the square.
[1:15:52] and we're
[1:15:58] business owners, we're doing business in Whistak, we know how hard it is to get people to come spend money in Whistak.
[1:16:05] A lot of efforts being done with the real Whistak Instagram account and I know that business owners on the Square aren't seeing that pay off yet.
[1:16:16] And hearing people come here tonight and say they're not going to come spend money on the Square.
[1:16:22] You know, it's not great for most of us like starting our careers as business owners on the square.
[1:16:28] So I hope you think about that. I don't want to talk to our cameras and I hope you take advantage of the 180 day cancellation period.
[1:16:38] Thank you.
[1:17:10] Obviously, we're considering holding finance on the square.
[1:17:13] I know that there's a mention that they're going to probably have to be considered like that too.
[1:17:18] There's only a lot of fees to, I've heard of some change things with fees and finance on the square.
[1:17:22] I don't know what it's about, but I think that's a journey that comes out of the state.
[1:17:27] Just, I just wanted to quickly say, from February, a little corporate thing,
[1:17:34] Chief, do you like, have we had a memory of your assurance?
[1:17:39] That's good for me.
[1:17:40] Greg Hansley, you got a sort of black assistant testing
[1:17:44] and review of your data type of indulgence problem.
[1:17:46] But you didn't pause on that decision.
[1:17:49] That would have been great.
[1:17:50] Tom, you recognize the cameras would be helpful.
[1:17:53] You have some cameras on the square.
[1:17:55] You've failed to seriously consider that this
[1:17:58] memory stress was the question.
[1:18:00] The data status, the question was whether
[1:18:02] or any evidence can be useful out.
[1:18:05] So you used to vote a lot off here,
[1:18:08] and bad actors will come to the square
[1:18:10] because you don't have to have a chance.
[1:18:13] Really?
[1:18:14] That's not a first.
[1:18:15] They don't receive the case in Texas,
[1:18:17] and everything we're talking about,
[1:18:19] you're worth it and I'm great.
[1:18:22] Care, you felt it was also in the core privacy
[1:18:26] in governance concerns.
[1:18:28] You moved to approve first and manage risks through a term review instead of a clause
[1:18:35] A, the same local name we should look closer to before receiving.
[1:18:40] And I would suggest that you move it over to the police department's general order.
[1:18:44] I have a few thoughts, questions I'd like to refine the document actually,
[1:18:49] and just the transparency program general.
[1:18:51] The police have a previous interview with the policy permitted in the Pettinburg Review.
[1:18:57] And they just have a year to require routine outside oversight of the information that's in general.
[1:19:02] That's not transparency.
[1:19:05] I'd like to look for...
[1:19:09] Looking up on the sidewalks, it says that it's actually on the parking case number.
[1:19:13] Well, it's kind of a choir. You know, the question is you get that again.
[1:19:16] The reason that you type them? I'm going to encourage them to search.
[1:19:19] Yeah, we've created the case in required or not just optional or recommended.
[1:19:26] Let's see.
[1:19:27] I've got the proposal.
[1:19:28] I'm trying to call some stuff.
[1:19:30] We can't see what they're being used for.
[1:19:32] The transparency portals will show a case number.
[1:19:34] We can't put that through anything going out there.
[1:19:37] So there's no transparency there.
[1:19:38] What's being used for?
[1:19:41] We can't see how many times our accounts were created.
[1:19:44] That's terrible.
[1:19:46] So you can see the number right now.
[1:19:47] I don't know for our, we sure, there's eight, like I mentioned, and I don't know how many times I've ever come to this.
[1:19:58] Let's see here.
[1:20:00] Yeah, we're going to ask for just a moment. Just to say that, uh, no, I don't know which officer is queried and done the actual period. Um, that would be kind of cool to see that transparency as well. Um, so I actually came from my mom. She's like, well, I've heard about this transparency portal. I mean, look, she's like, I wonder where the cameras are. Huh, I can't find them now.
[1:20:30] I'm going to counter that and say our city budget is published every single year in our expenditure.
[1:20:37] So we have so blue clear transparent expenditure.
[1:20:42] Correct. We've not always spent.
[1:20:43] But not just that I've seen for the spend there.
[1:20:46] That's your right and I've pulled it and it's a lot to step through.
[1:20:51] It's a little bit, it's not a quarter of a million.
[1:20:53] A little bit more.
[1:20:53] I'm not taking the wheel of another.
[1:20:55] It's harder for me to get that number precisely.
[1:20:57] that would be books that could be accurate
[1:20:59] causes of some doctor's company through the drug problem.
[1:21:04] And then I think, yeah, overall, it's just the,
[1:21:07] the policy to have an internal auditing,
[1:21:11] documentation, and departmental enforcement.
[1:21:13] I just would like to see more transparency on that.
[1:21:17] You know, yeah, that's, they were calling out, I think.
[1:21:21] My robustness is just, please, product is physically,
[1:21:24] as well as digital.
[1:21:25] And there's, I wouldn't need to make a motion to pause, cease, or terminate this, sort of, the most likely.
[1:21:33] You hear that?
[1:21:44] I'm really motivated by what Carlos said.
[1:21:46] Now, looking to enjoy you up here, you're little under this privilege of having this, right?
[1:21:53] And a lot of people cannot look down there, some themselves, to see and feel with other people both.
[1:21:59] Now, personally, I go and I'm only as good as what I do to protect and serve people who are eager or marginalized.
[1:22:17] So, my friends, my girls, our current government wants to criminalize.
[1:22:23] Objects, right, they're already criminalizing something that is civil offense.
[1:22:29] Meaning to protect people. How it makes sense. 5,000 people just show up from the high.
[1:22:36] And there's Canada's other word that could be that stuff.
[1:22:39] But that was true. I mean, I used to be access other Canada's in Illinois.
[1:22:43] Meaning to protect people. People need to feel safe in our community.
[1:22:48] Y'all represent the gay people, the trans people, the lesbians, the bisexuals, the brown, the black, everybody.
[1:22:55] So instead of just thinking, oh, well, the people that look like me, the meaning of this
[1:23:00] like me, there's a lot more in this community that needs to deal with taking care of us by all of you.
[1:23:25] Because how I am the organization to fight for us, and we are really important
[1:23:29] locations off the square of giving care to the people.
[1:23:43] Well, Roy Wilson, six, one, two, a part of the street.
[1:23:50] I mean, this is, this is what American was funded on, just for disagreements, didn't
[1:24:00] re-dress the grievances, and I've been watching a talk to you by the revolution or documentaries
[1:24:07] and everything.
[1:24:08] You know, this isn't a new thing on surveillance, this has been the balance for our reception
[1:24:14] about being surveyed by other people.
[1:24:19] Revolutionary work heroes were competing sought out
[1:24:23] by other people, by the British.
[1:24:26] And looked at it for different reasons
[1:24:28] and we fought that and fought that and fought that.
[1:24:32] And I've been opposed to the fought channels today
[1:24:35] when I was at the meeting in February, I think it was.
[1:24:39] And I'm still opposed to it.
[1:24:41] But the first thing I do right now is I don't know, speaking of all the same things at all but
[1:24:48] what is the cost of familiarly spending for a flat camera?
[1:24:52] What is the Patrick?
[1:24:53] Because I really don't know.
[1:24:54] So the new video cameras that were put in on track 26.
[1:25:00] What do you suggest? What do you suggest?
[1:25:33] What do you suggest?
[1:25:38] well articulated conference tonight.
[1:25:41] So my husband and I, my name's Lisa Kemp,
[1:25:44] my husband and I live in a market drive
[1:25:46] who purchased our house in 2018.
[1:25:48] We love woodstock, we love woodstock.
[1:25:52] I lived in Chicago since the mid-80s.
[1:25:56] I come from New York unfortunately family
[1:25:58] and first was part of the family.
[1:25:59] I was worked in the Illinois Crime Land.
[1:26:02] I'm not an anti-safety anti-flaw enforcement, et cetera.
[1:26:08] The thing that concerns me about this is over above the concerns of mass surveillance and
[1:26:17] everything, you know, all of my activities were trapped.
[1:26:21] It is the potential for this data, for this vehicle fingerprint, for this personal,
[1:26:28] physical fingerprint, and the linking of those, that information to what I spend my
[1:26:36] I'm going on to my credit card records,
[1:26:39] to my health insurance records,
[1:26:41] the potential for all of this to be linked
[1:26:44] and then to be sold globally to the highest bidders.
[1:26:49] And so I really would like for you to really consider.
[1:26:53] Thus, this, do the floccamus really make
[1:26:57] what stops the distance safer
[1:26:59] or does this open us off to potential global criminal apps?
[1:27:05] How many data breaches do we hear about in the news regularly, and does this collection
[1:27:16] of data and the way that it is shared or sold by a private company, does that then
[1:27:23] open us up to things that would really cause the touch of harm?
[1:27:30] Thank you very much.
[1:27:50] I thought I was going to manage a farmer's market, thought I was going to open a business archery, but what I knew that your farmers can meet the people around us, is our variety of people, and they love this town, and they love each other, and they want to be safe.
[1:28:12] And these clock cameras, they take the shimmy off of this bridge as teller, we loved it here, I don't love it anywhere.
[1:28:22] You can change that.
[1:28:46] The February meeting spoke against the clock cameras, also a business owner, live on Jackson Street.
[1:28:52] And before I came here tonight, I was just sitting on the couch watching some television, looking at my phone, watching it,
[1:28:58] Cubs, socks, score, and then decided part of the live stream and saw all the people speaking about this is more important than watching that through it, so we're checking them.
[1:29:12] We're always speaking about the talk about correcting the states and being able to do this as you've been in the state.
[1:29:18] And I think last meeting I said on the teacher and then went on some high-footed brands, like, well, what I've caught in my class applies to you.
[1:29:26] And happy again, some teachers write in class and talk about being able to accept criticism
[1:29:32] and admit that maybe what he's almost good and feel to your purpose and audience, maybe
[1:29:37] wasn't the best.
[1:29:39] I'm a student.
[1:29:40] I gave him a piece of my way and I was quoting Bob Ross and said, there are not two mistakes
[1:29:46] only happy accidents.
[1:29:48] And he's like, I think it sounds better if you say there are no mistakes only happy accidents.
[1:29:53] And I initially like, that's such an empty thing. It doesn't even matter.
[1:29:58] But then...
[1:30:00] If you're listening to more of my students, I think it does sound better if you just give her a tea. I think it'd be very, very honorable thing. Put my writing on board and deleted the tea. And Sonata piece of writing says there aren't no mistakes. Only happy accidents. Obviously, deleting a tea from my one piece writing is a lot different than giving out a flat contract that is tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars. I don't know how much it is.
[1:30:28] but I just here to encourage you to reconsider
[1:30:31] and kind of encourage you to make the admit that
[1:30:34] you made a happy accident or you can correct
[1:30:36] that act the accident.
[1:30:37] So they do.
[1:30:38] That's an
[1:30:59] opportunity for a discussion,
[1:31:08] an opportunity for the public and anybody else
[1:31:11] can come forward under for a discussion.
[1:31:18] Hello, my name is Eldritch and I speak
[1:31:21] as a foreign minister of highway.
[1:31:26] So I came out there because I really admire
[1:31:28] and how those people stood out for themselves.
[1:31:31] I grew up, I did business time, run a lot with my family.
[1:31:35] And while it didn't so feel to me as a kid,
[1:31:39] I really did feel I love it.
[1:31:41] But since hearing about this black camera,
[1:31:44] I realized that this place was not an escape
[1:31:48] from the surveillance that I would choose a child
[1:31:51] to my adulthood in Chicago.
[1:31:53] And so I am asking you or I should say really to your attention that you have this opportunity
[1:32:03] to stand out from these big surveillance towns and cities across America instead of studying
[1:32:12] It's a lot. That will do you good to be different.
[1:32:17] These
[1:32:47] cloth cameras, so I just graduated from a CXC in Chicago.
[1:32:54] And I never failed to not let like a more makeover buy
[1:33:00] to work with stuff.
[1:33:04] Actually a lot of my professors have moved out here,
[1:33:09] because of the rich artist community, but as you know, social concerns like this are very serious artists, so the tourism of the business, I also go to my business,
[1:33:26] and hopefully in Crystal Lake, you know, all this stuff going on because I provide a hair
[1:33:33] care for a martialist people.
[1:33:37] Yeah, and I'm glad I don't have to do it, but I'm going to stop.
[1:33:39] We have a deal with staff president and to be representative of Woodstock and seeing all
[1:33:45] this going on, it's disappointing.
[1:33:48] And we do this thing in our school called critique.
[1:33:52] And, uh, yeah, you have to sit for like 30 minutes and let people take a part of your word.
[1:34:00] We're familiar with the chicken.
[1:34:05] Yeah, sometimes it takes some time, but there's some wisdom that he's not good.
[1:34:11] Also, if you'd like, I'd take this opportunity to do a nice portrait of you.
[1:34:17] You ever really thought it was where you're going to take the time to move it off of you or so?
[1:34:33] That's the first time I've ever seen.
[1:34:38] How did you feel?
[1:34:42] You're ready for a long time.
[1:34:49] I want you to think about the art work.
[1:34:53] It's about the idea and how you feel about the art work.
[1:34:56] So, just now it's kind of a long...
[1:35:05] I'm speechless.
[1:35:09] I
[1:35:21] know I'm having the one that I was planning on speaking to. I was singing
[1:35:30] up on also, I heard a bit called in, uh, city advice. This is not my first time seeing
[1:35:35] when I saw at the Richmond Illinois, my name is Liz, and I visited this where many
[1:35:41] many times since I was a little girl, my parents, and I can tell you tonight was the first
[1:35:46] time that I felt unsafe visiting this where. And my eyes were not over my shoulders, they
[1:35:53] were not down the alleys that I was walking by to attend this meeting. My eyes were turned
[1:35:58] in the skyward towards the lead posts and the flag posts
[1:36:03] and stoplights that contain the flat cameras.
[1:36:06] When I turned to come into town,
[1:36:08] I was shocked to see a flat camera, right when I turned in
[1:36:12] and I just came to implore you to reverse your decision
[1:36:16] on the flat cameras and move the contracts.
[1:36:20] I don't believe that sacrificing and in our freedoms
[1:36:24] is worth an illusion of security
[1:36:27] and then I just wanted to ask you to reconsider and cancel your block camera.
[1:36:32] Thank you.
[1:36:33] Hello,
[1:36:47] counsel.
[1:36:47] My name is Coro Thomas, and I live in 1951, North Orleans in McCannery.
[1:36:57] I am not a constituent here, but it seemed such an obvious violation of the fourth amendment.
[1:37:07] And then I'm sure you've heard the phrase those who sacrifice their liberty for freedom deserve neither.
[1:37:19] But I'm not even convinced this gives me any safety.
[1:37:22] I'm sure you've heard from everyone here they feel much less safe with these cameras in place
[1:37:28] and you're willing to do this on top of sacrificing the business that you are losing.
[1:37:35] I don't get it and seeing the emails where we were just our opinions and feelings were treated like nothing.
[1:37:48] It just made me angry and I will not be living here even in the canary within two months.
[1:37:59] but I will be telling every person I know in Woodstock about every election for this council
[1:38:08] and tell them to go out and vote because this is very important to me. I'd like to thank Melissa
[1:38:18] for listening to us.
[1:38:44] Just to let you know, y'all know who you are, you know I voted, you're going
[1:38:47] a terrible job. You're going to get voted out and you can eat my entire ass.
[1:39:12] I live at 301 Mark Madison for Incomplex to South of Square. I really love walking to
[1:39:18] Square. It's one of my favorite things to do at night. Just go around, never felt unsafe.
[1:39:24] I don't want to let you all know. I think keeping it down to you how many people have been speaking
[1:39:28] to right. We are almost at 40. There's an even higher we're going to go over 40. I think
[1:39:35] just the amount of different perspectives that you've gotten tonight should show you
[1:39:39] that this is a very wide-ranging issue that affects everyone in this town. I also notice that
[1:39:45] you all have been taking a lot of notes, which is great, and I really hope that you read those
[1:39:49] later as well, and that those don't seem to account what you've heard tonight, and that it does
[1:39:55] actually change their mind on this decision and then you do take that into account and change their mind.
[1:40:00] Thank you. Sure
[1:40:19] for one thing, and that is a privately-by to your eans and large,
[1:40:24] impressive anime characters, you're my last, you know I have to be happy with our stories of people
[1:40:29] into this. And I think that's where the last thing I want is someone to know I have done that.
[1:40:46] So now she knows, I would love for what's our key need of that.
[1:40:52] I thought I had nothing to do with the spokes.
[1:40:55] But people have said better than I, just wanted to mention all that.
[1:40:57] So we can rock it in for a second.
[1:40:59] We'll have to discuss this kind of ridiculous.
[1:41:02] And also because of this encounter with the business minded.
[1:41:06] So let's be honest, I don't think people are going to like this idea.
[1:41:10] I think I'm going to come who are frankly quite yay farmers are getting head shop here if they think that's the situation
[1:41:18] so let's take that into consideration.
[1:41:20] I heard it in Greg, Rob, Matt, Bob, I heard it.
[1:41:24] I said Matt and he are Matt.
[1:41:26] All right, I'm going to give him a hand.
[1:41:28] I'm
[1:42:00] going to leave here since I turned 9.
[1:42:04] And I have a couple of questions to kind of really ask,
[1:42:08] Impolitely,
[1:42:13] starting off, why do more of its sliver, or what's pointed at our rights?
[1:42:22] The answer to any of them is
[1:42:28] not developed enough to work effectively.
[1:42:34] The flux or ailments is not actually affected in reducing private rates in American towns.
[1:42:40] It is actually found to be beyond the city in the Indian Daily House.
[1:42:44] that focuses
[1:42:49] in their police department
[1:42:50] have so far been caught in this handling,
[1:42:53] the information by
[1:42:57] the decisions.
[1:42:59] We've already seen a lot of that happening
[1:43:02] all over the country, there's a bunch of officers who,
[1:43:06] I'm sure other people would mention stopping cases,
[1:43:12] doing what?
[1:43:13] And they shouldn't have the access
[1:43:16] to just looking who ever they want to,
[1:43:20] for their own personal reasons.
[1:43:21] We
[1:43:24] find Lena Pride, a company with private motivation to sign who is and who is not a criminal.
[1:43:35] How easy it is to access the caption foes or in the club, it is not actually as clockwise deleted after 30 or I guess now 7 days.
[1:43:47] It is sort of perfectly permanent violence in the police department computers and to access
[1:43:58] this it only takes one user name and one password and any very unskilled domestic hacker,
[1:44:06] or whatever you call them, could easily bypass that and get those credentials to access these systems.
[1:44:14] When a woman like a terrorist or whatever from any other country, or the woman who really wants was in those gowns,
[1:44:30] be okay as people of the government, with stabilizing the safety and privacy of thousands and thousands of people who live in woodstock,
[1:44:41] to catch maybe a small handful of birds.
[1:44:45] He's not really a sacrifice that we're okay with making,
[1:44:50] but if there's
[1:44:56] a question,
[1:44:56] they'll say, uh, the police in the room.
[1:45:00] Do you really trust the people sitting next to you at your desk, wherever you work? Do you really trust them to not mishable the power and access to everyone else's lives that comes in a 24-7-5 feet?
[1:45:17] Would you trust your coworkers with that?
[1:45:22] We're trying to order. However, with people... So in every local government area, I'm just going to ask you, I'm going to show you where I feel better. So in how many ways do you think this system could ever be
[1:45:34] And tell me, ever thought about that in your time?
[1:45:40] And finally, do you think that this will create a severe power in values between people and the police department?
[1:45:50] Thank you.
[1:46:03] Good evening, my name is Mary Beth Wallsworth.
[1:46:06] I'm a resident of a 1135 dog of a court.
[1:46:09] Before that, my husband and I first married and moved to Woodstock.
[1:46:14] He was actually already here.
[1:46:16] We decided to make our home and our family and our community
[1:46:19] do a bit for 15 South Madison Street, right?
[1:46:22] We directly on that path to that Groundhog Day House.
[1:46:26] So I was blessed with my son over here.
[1:46:30] You may be much more informed as to what was going on.
[1:46:34] And I just want you to know, you were elected with trust.
[1:46:39] The trust of the community behind you,
[1:46:41] whether they were 21 or 81, they elected you with trust.
[1:46:48] So now they all stepped forward to speak
[1:46:51] and are asking you to trust us now
[1:46:55] and to rectify the initial acceptance
[1:47:01] of the flock cameras and to eliminate them.
[1:47:04] Just to when I drive over, I'm a flight attendant
[1:47:08] And so I talk about my community all the time and I invite people to come here, but I don't know if I'm going to extend that invitation.
[1:47:18] If they can't come freely and trust that the environment that they're in isn't being trapped.
[1:47:24] So again, think of trust. It's a virtue. It's what you elected on by that we trusted you in our vote.
[1:47:33] And so now we ask you that you trust the opinions and the very strong comments and the factual
[1:47:41] information that was attributed to today and take the clock cameras out of our community.
[1:47:49] And thank you for your time.
[1:48:09] Make comments under for discussion.
[1:48:11] Public comment.
[1:48:12] Hi,
[1:48:19] my name is Karen Osbach.
[1:48:21] I have been a resident of Woodstock.
[1:48:24] My entire life, I was born here, raised here.
[1:48:26] I think I would stay here, but my husband, from New Jersey, he moved here for our college
[1:48:34] and fell in love with this town, and it made me worried fall in love with Woodstock.
[1:48:41] And I just felt compelled to share with you my lived experience as a person of color on my
[1:48:52] five, six, four cameras. I'm afraid I just want you to be aware of that. I'm afraid that as a person
[1:49:02] colored, I'm going to be targeted.
[1:49:07] I rationalize in
[1:49:12] my head every day. I'm a good person in
[1:49:27] health care every day.
[1:49:31] I talked to people through a team's surgeries with a
[1:49:36] orthopedic doctor every day. I'm there looking at their
[1:49:39] eyes and encouraging them through the process, taking care
[1:49:45] of their fears.
[1:49:49] And I just wish that someone would do that
[1:49:51] for me. I wish this council would do that for me. Because I
[1:49:56] and giving that to the community every single day.
[1:50:00] That's all I've ever felt that I needed to do because I have been very appreciative of this community and that my parents decided to build a life here. And I thought I would do that too. With my husband, we created a family here. I really want to do that. But this is making me feel so unsafe.
[1:50:29] I just wanted to share with you my living experience.
[1:50:58] I
[1:51:00] just don't know how you can see all these people here very clearly.
[1:51:06] This is not the will of the people.
[1:51:09] That's what you're supposed to stand for.
[1:51:12] And I think it's very obvious.
[1:51:13] This does not make anybody feel safer.
[1:51:16] In fact, it's making a lot of people feel very unsafe.
[1:51:19] For multiple different reasons.
[1:51:21] Whether it's even a flock or just a survey lens.
[1:51:23] And they're all right.
[1:51:24] If you don't listen to the rights of the people, don't you dare say that because of our safety?
[1:51:31] Thank you.
[1:52:02] My name is Cal.
[1:52:03] I live in Wisconsin for 15 years.
[1:52:06] I just couldn't leave you with the definition of safety.
[1:52:09] First thing that you will say is the AI overview says the state of being free from harm, danger, injury, or risk.
[1:52:16] Block cameras don't bring safety.
[1:52:18] We have seen the risks.
[1:52:21] They can't bring safety.
[1:52:21] and
[1:52:34] put some of my stuff here.
[1:52:36] I did a little bit for this talk to you so I think I'm good.
[1:52:38] I did a little bit for this talk to my whole life that was way of some, very long time,
[1:52:42] I think.
[1:52:48] An opinion fair deal.
[1:52:50] What I have been saying about it here for a particular specific time tonight, I think it's just
[1:52:54] an overwhelming majority of people here who have shown and have given the cues and the
[1:53:01] cause that we should test in this context.
[1:53:04] and give them my kids is not the life that I want to do to leave for them, so I can't
[1:53:13] sit down and chat.
[1:53:14] Thank you.
[1:53:27] I am a dental clinic, I am a residential clinic staff and a medical family.
[1:53:33] I am also a software engineer so I familiar with things like that of storage and security
[1:53:39] and AI models and that sort of thing.
[1:53:43] And you know, like in my profession, we work with these things on a daily basis, and
[1:53:50] another one with your looks at, if you have spoken here tonight.
[1:53:55] And if you know anything about IT people and software issues, we love to recommend technological
[1:54:02] solutions to things.
[1:54:05] One of my software engineers, friends or co-workers, when we talk about clock and it comes up in conversation, then gets a pretty idea.
[1:54:15] We are all worried about how it violates our rights to privacy and considering your software engineers all saying
[1:54:27] We're the kind of people that love to talk about technology and talk about how great it is.
[1:54:32] We're all saying, no, this isn't work, this isn't something we might.
[1:54:37] That should tell you something.
[1:54:39] Thank you.
[1:55:03] No, if you don't mind the free one. It's for Monday, it's a free. I don't want an exact free run of what was already said. Because of other business meeting. Of course.
[1:55:16] I have a
[1:55:22] couple of certain things to say, adding all to the fellow who have been suffering
[1:55:27] with the square to purchase his figurines, and what is not considering booping the pride
[1:55:33] festival off of the square to give his a lot of people's concern.
[1:55:38] I'm sure you're aware of it, I'm sure you've heard it.
[1:55:40] I would think you're not reaching out to you, go to some, to advocate for that change
[1:55:44] if this goes through.
[1:55:46] I think a lot of us would want to do everything in our power to make sure of it.
[1:55:50] We can still hold it and we still let them feel safe.
[1:55:55] But I have to say, it isn't all directly to you, though.
[1:55:58] If we move that off of the square, even if it is interrupted, I would like to mention just how much revenue we can see that this festival brings it.
[1:56:10] The shops on that square, they tend to be the store, full of G&E merchandise, full of
[1:56:17] figurines, other, full of entertainment, all merchandise at that time, for various things like
[1:56:27] the Eries Crystals on the shop, all out of fashion shops.
[1:56:31] These are things that if this demographic is turned away, if the private festival is canceled,
[1:56:38] I'm going to be fragile. We eat this stuff up. I can't believe it's some kind of stuff.
[1:56:46] You have no idea how much money these people spend on all of my plans.
[1:56:53] I don't know how much you break in. I'm jealous of you, frankly.
[1:56:58] One other thing I have to say on financial note is there are places that are not installing
[1:57:04] these hammers that have similar events.
[1:57:07] They can and will throw them popularly in a canry, people can put them in a puddle, certain
[1:57:12] one in one place, and even in one place with that hammers,
[1:57:18] there are, in any mug there is
[1:57:21] construction car shows from the front being tired summer happy here and I'd like
[1:57:27] to say for anybody afraid of living here that is cheap property value. I'm just
[1:57:34] telling you if you want the homes to stay here this is pushing people away
[1:57:39] places for an engine cheaply go and set public.
[1:57:57] There's an opportunity
[1:58:07] for a
[1:58:12] Florida's snowstorm.
[1:58:17] If
[1:58:21] you want me to see that was laughing at the guy at the contact with the very back,
[1:58:25] as well.
[1:58:26] We're neighbors!
[1:58:26] Fine.
[1:58:28] You know, that's not true.
[1:58:30] I want to stick around.
[1:58:32] Who does?
[1:58:34] I'm on a dear.
[1:58:34] It's not obvious.
[1:58:37] Hi.
[1:58:38] My name is Anna Kolko.
[1:58:40] I own an house.
[1:58:41] I was literally over the city for years in my life.
[1:58:45] I went to St. Mary's, I went to a study high school.
[1:58:50] I understood the square was my home at her school and all I would be my friends and
[1:58:59] one of us would bring a guitar and we would just hang out and enjoy the view of Woodstock
[1:59:05] and enjoy the arts.
[1:59:06] I'm an artist.
[1:59:09] I would frequently go to the square and sketch and do planet painting.
[1:59:13] And I feel terrible that getting these days will not feel as comfortable as I did on the
[1:59:22] square.
[1:59:23] Like, I love this town because I love it and it was going to be a huge part of it.
[1:59:32] And I just like you guys to think about the choice that we can make to help the people
[1:59:43] other community, do you want to say it? Just a little bit. Thank you.
[2:00:02] Here, just to add to the note about pride and people spending money on the square, pride is a great sale stay for us. Any day that there's a festival is a really good business day. I do that there's no farmers working no festival. The square is bad, there's basically no sale. So I would really hate to see events like pride and it's a kind of say leave the square because those are really the only days we make anyone eat truthfully so.
[2:00:31] Thank you.
[2:00:33] But
[2:00:46] we should make comment on the fourth session.
[2:00:48] Public comment.
[2:00:57] Third and final.
[2:01:01] All right, ladies and gentlemen.
[2:01:02] That takes us to the end of public comment for discussion.
[2:01:08] The next item on the agenda is council comment.
[2:01:12] At this time, I've opened it up to members of the council.
[2:01:16] We should make comments on the item.
[2:01:18] It's not on the seniors agenda.
[2:01:26] I want to take a moment to address the question that was
[2:01:28] and we present tonight a variety of Black safety equipment
[2:01:31] for the federal and the South American Ocean.
[2:01:36] Near the 2000 restaurants and mooters,
[2:01:38] taking the time to sign a petition,
[2:01:40] asking this council to cancel the agreement.
[2:01:42] I don't believe we should simply accept that petition
[2:01:45] and move on without getting their request
[2:01:46] to series consideration,
[2:01:48] along with the 53,
[2:01:49] so I think you want to come and set here on the public record.
[2:01:53] When we approved Black movement,
[2:01:56] this council specifically required 120 day
[2:02:00] and the city's sole discretion and without cause.
[2:02:03] That provision wasn't intentional.
[2:02:05] It gave the city an opportunity
[2:02:06] to reconsider the agreement that it's
[2:02:08] certain that it's changed,
[2:02:09] or we didn't continue with the agreement
[2:02:11] with no longer the city's best interests
[2:02:13] at our residents' best interests.
[2:02:16] Since that vote, we've continued to see questions
[2:02:18] and concerns surrounding this technology.
[2:02:21] Now we're regarding privacy and health information
[2:02:23] to be accessed and shared,
[2:02:26] but also regarding the potential misuse
[2:02:28] of misident identification.
[2:02:30] These are the type of settlement concerns
[2:02:32] we have seen recent reports nationally and locally
[2:02:34] involving alleged misdeeds of lack systems,
[2:02:37] including searches that have been
[2:02:39] that appear to have gone beyond limits
[2:02:41] to legitimate law enforcement purposes.
[2:02:44] We've also seen documented concern right in Illinois
[2:02:46] regarding the share of license plate data
[2:02:49] with federal authorities.
[2:02:51] And tonight, nearly 2,000 of our residents and visitors
[2:02:54] are telling us, are taking the time to sign a petition
[2:02:57] that they do not believe the agreement is in the best interest of woodstock.
[2:03:02] I recognize that we've already agreed or voted on this agreement.
[2:03:05] I'm not suggesting that we simply undo the vote tonight,
[2:03:08] as that would not be proved.
[2:03:10] I know not about the procedure.
[2:03:13] But if cancellation is not properly noted,
[2:03:15] notice as an action item on tonight's agenda,
[2:03:19] I don't believe we should have to take final action tonight.
[2:03:22] What I am asking is that we take the extra appropriate staff
[2:03:25] I would like to counsel to formally consider
[2:03:27] bringing the agreement back into discussion
[2:03:30] like the City Attorney to provide the counsel
[2:03:32] with the fully executed agreement
[2:03:33] and confer the exact terms of the cancellation provision,
[2:03:37] including when that period began,
[2:03:39] when it expires and what action and notice
[2:03:41] are required by the City to exercise that right.
[2:03:44] I also believe that we should have a full discussion
[2:03:47] about whether they are going to continue
[2:03:48] to serve the best interests of the City
[2:03:50] and its residents in light of what we know today
[2:03:52] and the voices we heard tonight.
[2:03:54] not simply what we knew, what we originally wanted.
[2:03:58] We aren't being asked to advance the way out of this contract,
[2:04:02] we are being asked to consider using the castration mechanism
[2:04:06] that we asked for required in the contract.
[2:04:09] I believe the rest is to sign a petition,
[2:04:11] it's both tonight to zero this inciteration.
[2:04:14] And I believe in the obligation,
[2:04:15] as what artificial to listen to the nearing 2000 people
[2:04:19] and the 51, actually, I think he's a couple of slow choice, maybe 48.
[2:04:26] Because slow before us was a specific request for concern, and a contract to be approved.
[2:04:32] I would therefore ask my fellow council members to join me in bringing the flock and then back
[2:04:35] before council for this formal consideration, cancellation, and necessary legal, contractual,
[2:04:41] information provided to us beforehand.
[2:04:46] other members of council wish to make comments, their council comments, yeah the two P's way out of this one I'm gonna say she said what I wanted to say
[2:04:58] I'm so out of here.
[2:05:00] As you know, I am a co-owner of two businesses on and just adjacent to the square. So, and I've been contemplating to move to the square. And I love the idea of moving one of the businesses to the square and expanding and doing great things when I'm also very concerned because I'm part of the community to be much, okay, that is being targeted. And I love when somebody mentioned this evening about, you may not like the current administration and that you may not like the next
[2:05:29] administration. And so, do you want them watching you? Do you want that? And that really
[2:05:34] made it hard, and so I reinforced mine. And I do want to come into fact that we got a
[2:05:39] lot of emails from a lot of people, but those didn't. But I have gotten one in favor.
[2:06:12] Thank you so much for coming tonight and it reinforces my belief and my
[2:06:18] I'm not regretting my no vote in February.
[2:06:21] I stand by that vote.
[2:06:23] And I'm very pleased to meet you all
[2:06:26] to come and find speaker voices heard.
[2:06:29] I think what was really impactful
[2:06:31] was the statement about the iceberg.
[2:06:34] And that does not go a no best.
[2:06:37] It's not unusual to hear commentary
[2:06:41] about a few people coming out
[2:06:44] and not necessarily representing a vast majority of people.
[2:06:48] However, I want to make it very clear that we have to take into consideration a lot of ideas
[2:06:55] for those that are here tonight making their voices heard and for those who may be in support
[2:07:01] of this contract who didn't show up. So we also have to think of them as well and weigh the pros
[2:07:07] and the cons and the pluses and the minuses and track straight up balance between what I said back
[2:07:15] February was a non-binary choice voting for it doesn't mean supporting mass
[2:07:25] surveillance and voting if that's it doesn't mean we dislike law enforcement. It's
[2:07:31] in particular to this company by which there are so many documented pieces of
[2:07:41] information and cases and so many examples of it being misused and abused. And it's saying
[2:07:50] that I'm not going to be a accusatory of our list of police departments. And somebody
[2:07:56] also asked a question, I believe it was ran, had a list of questions, and one was hypothetical
[2:08:05] asking the police department if they would trust the person sitting next to them and that
[2:08:12] really was extremely impactful to me and I don't want to force any of the law enforcement
[2:08:19] in this room and I won't speak for them but I'll just say my opinion and a response to
[2:08:24] that. I literally have to trust the person next to them with their life and I just want
[2:08:30] they have to kind of resonate as well,
[2:08:32] be impactful for those in this room.
[2:08:37] Law enforcement faces things differently.
[2:08:41] And I don't want to walk into a room
[2:08:42] and tell them how to do their job
[2:08:45] and what tools they can and cannot use.
[2:08:47] But I've also had to take into consideration
[2:08:49] this particular company,
[2:08:50] and that's why I don't regret my vote in February,
[2:08:53] which was a no-go.
[2:08:55] I
[2:08:57] mean, I'm
[2:09:03] sure you want videos
[2:09:22] The
[2:09:34] core of the end likeness in this chamber is part of how we conduct business here.
[2:09:40] We do a free and disagree, and we spend respectful each other.
[2:09:44] And I would ask you the same from the other members of the council.
[2:09:54] I would go ahead and wrap up with council comments.
[2:09:58] I'm going to start with figuring that out.
[2:10:02] Right, figurine guy.
[2:10:08] Figurine guy. All right, tongue in, tongue in cheek. Nobody's watching you by figurines. Okay. That's just not how this is the work. And I know that then the press in an opposition, that there are these, you know, these statements about, you know, how it's being used. Okay.
[2:10:32] how everybody's being tracked okay you are not being tracked there's nobody
[2:10:37] sitting watching the monitor okay it just doesn't work that way okay I know
[2:10:43] that it's been said elsewhere I know there's been abuses of it okay I know there's
[2:10:47] there's bad actor cops who've stopped exits okay and for that they should be they
[2:10:56] should lose their job they should be civilly libel and if criminally charged they
[2:11:01] to be able to be permanently charged.
[2:11:03] Miss using any tool, whether it's a car, body hand, gun,
[2:11:11] taser, any other databases or systems
[2:11:14] that all police departments law enforcement agencies
[2:11:17] use across the United States, which
[2:11:20] are pretty violently important to them managing some bad actors
[2:11:27] in society.
[2:11:28] So, any misuse of that, all right, should be absolutely hammered or in the reactions
[2:11:37] of that.
[2:11:38] And those bad things can happen, absent-flock, and they have, fortunately none was not,
[2:11:46] okay?
[2:11:47] Fortunately none was not, but they can happen.
[2:11:50] Now, I think that, you know, I heard of exit comments about being completely against surveillance
[2:11:59] and some people saying, oh, we're not against surveillance or cops and, you know, we're just
[2:12:04] against law.
[2:12:04] And that's fine.
[2:12:05] And I've found the passion and the intensity that you all bring to the table here, okay?
[2:12:13] And I understand that I understand the frustration when the politicians that you know that you're watching and that are supposed to serve you, don't agree with you.
[2:12:26] I share that. I get frustrated, nationally, state, okay, even locally at times when we don't agree. That's the nature of the system.
[2:12:35] When I want to offer up for me is that for the stories and examples and concern that people here have, there is another side to this of people that have been helped, crimes that have been solved.
[2:12:54] Okay, and one in particular locally named Reprove, nine-year-old girl,
[2:13:00] are taken by somebody sexually assaulted.
[2:13:04] Flock, LPRs were absolutely filed in the quick apprehension of that, of that suspect.
[2:13:12] Okay, here in Woodstock, on December 31st, 2025, the Wal-Mart Arsenal, okay,
[2:13:19] I remember getting the call from the city manager and talking to the police chief and we looked we had somebody like a Walmart an
[2:13:29] arsonist on fire with liquid. I mean that is a heinous crime and that doesn't happen in wood stuff. My immediate concern is what what's the
[2:13:41] what's the risk to the public? Who is this person? How are we going to find them? Are they going
[2:13:48] to go somewhere else and do the same thing? And one of the, what happened in that particular
[2:13:55] situation is that grainy Wal-Mart video captured a portion of the car and a portion of the license plate.
[2:14:04] And the LPR camera that we used was able to match on that and find a direction of color.
[2:14:13] And because of that, our officers apprehended that suspect in less than three hours, three hours.
[2:14:23] In three hours, we were able to give internally for us as of a public at large,
[2:14:30] and all clear, basically, that we felt we had the person, okay?
[2:14:37] There's community value in that.
[2:14:39] There's policing value in that.
[2:14:42] And so when I look at this tool and try to reconcile the intense and understandable,
[2:14:52] not times with understandable feelings against it, what I do in my role is I have to,
[2:14:57] And then I believe all of our siblings have.
[2:15:00] I trust these people up here, even though we don't agree, at times. I have to weigh that against the other side of the point here. And there are literally tens of thousands upon tens of thousands of examples of this tool when it's appropriately used, being highly effective. And while you may not want to hear a few people said, you know, don't use the public safety agreement, sorry,
[2:15:28] that would work. Our number one job is public safety up here, okay? 1A, 1B, 1C, 1D is public safety, water, sewer, roads. That's it. That's our core. Everything else is secondary.
[2:15:44] If we don't take steps to ensure the safety of our public, then we're failing at our jobs. Now, does that mean we give up civil liberties? Absolutely.
[2:15:54] Absolutely not.
[2:15:55] Does that mean we do things outside the Fourth Amendment?
[2:15:57] Absolutely not.
[2:15:58] To that, we mean we do things that are more illegal
[2:16:01] or anything like that.
[2:16:02] Absolutely not.
[2:16:03] We operate under the laws of the Constitution
[2:16:06] above the U.S. and the state of Illinois
[2:16:08] and the laws of the state of Illinois
[2:16:11] and even as it relates to the usage of this tool.
[2:16:14] So while I mentioned Fourth Amendment, T.J.,
[2:16:17] I know a lot of the discussion online tonight,
[2:16:19] what is the current status of these tools?
[2:16:23] This tool in particular relative to the 4th amendment.
[2:16:27] At this point, the Supreme Court of other courts have considered different types of surveillance.
[2:16:35] At this point, the determination has been made that the LPR's, this stationary security cameras do not constitute a search.
[2:16:42] which person in charge means it's not a violation of the fourth women.
[2:16:46] There are cases pending to case in per fall, where there's the 176 LPR cameras,
[2:16:52] the district court phone that is not a fourth women's search, that's up on appeal.
[2:16:57] And in the last brief, we were like, the end of July, plus stuff was certainly monitoring.
[2:17:02] But at this point in time, the case law is found that these type of surveillance
[2:17:07] Americans are not searches. And if that changes, then we change what we're doing on that
[2:17:13] single, single basis. Okay, but we are following the requirements before the men. You only
[2:17:19] not like every people that are concerned about it may not like it. Okay, but it is, it is something
[2:17:24] that we absolutely follow. And if something changes, we will have absolutely change, change with it.
[2:17:30] Because part of the discussion, and this wasn't extensive discussion. In fact,
[2:17:34] license plate, I'm sorry, the cameras came before us last November 25 and we actually pulled
[2:17:43] back and actually Darren was the leader in challenging council to do that to pull back
[2:17:52] and challenge the chief, our staff and council let's take a deeper look at other options
[2:18:00] which we did. And we took an extensive next meeting in February of 26 that many of you
[2:18:09] are on the periphery, too, and may have attended, where we try to thoughtfully hear the concerns
[2:18:14] of everyone. And controversial issues sometimes produce full counsel votes. And I can tell
[2:18:24] you that for me, the issues that I hear, the fear that I hear, does resonate.
[2:18:30] You may not believe it because my stance on it, but it does absolutely resonate.
[2:18:35] I heard some interesting ideas to make add to our general order that we put in place and
[2:18:42] part that she took. It was, it was from my dear name. Nation. Nation. So you're
[2:18:49] certain that I'm lying, right?
[2:18:52] I do read it. I don't respond, but I do read it. The concept
[2:18:59] of incorporating that given independent review, very intriguing. Very intriguing, and I think
[2:19:05] highly, highly appropriate. You know, the switch over to the seven days, I think that's an
[2:19:10] appropriate move by my flock and I support us changing that. I think that
[2:19:14] administratively the chief of rosto can can can can do that. I believe that flock
[2:19:21] has tightened up and we even had they have put some things in our direction
[2:19:25] about case about case numbers auditing and it proves the individual office are
[2:19:30] going in and looking. Flot is also put in some things if I read it right here in
[2:19:36] last week or two about looking at using their tool to flag somebody that does the same inquiry on the
[2:19:43] same car for like three times and that automatically produces a warning you know to the to the
[2:19:50] administrators of the unit and and then also identifying you know officers and who's who's making those
[2:20:00] So, I remain because of the net positive I see. I remain supportive of our current usage of it, but I believe that we need to continue to refine these things. I think it can and should, because you all will be a public discussion, and that's good. And I'm going to also ask Roscoe to direct the chief that we should, on a regular basis.
[2:20:29] basis, whether it's every six to 12 months, look at alternatives. Are there alternatives because
[2:20:37] we put that cancellation clause in there for a reason? Are there alternatives? CCTV isn't option
[2:20:44] that others use but it's functionality compared to flock and the speed with which we can act on
[2:20:50] on a bad violent or, you know, criminal offense,
[2:20:54] that has value to us in protecting public safety
[2:20:58] and taking action.
[2:21:01] So when I add it all, I'm still a net,
[2:21:05] a net, a net of, in a very net agreement
[2:21:08] with the continued use of law
[2:21:11] that I want those items to be in there.
[2:21:13] Now, if you came here expecting us to do a vote
[2:21:16] and turn out, and the contract,
[2:21:19] We couldn't do that legally because this is not an item for discussion tonight, and it's not an item for action on a contract.
[2:21:27] So that's, we have procedures and rules related to the open meeting act and our way of conducting business.
[2:21:35] So that was never an option.
[2:21:38] I will continue to maintain contact with all individual council members.
[2:21:42] And if a majority of council members want to bring it forward, you know, or if I want to bring forward,
[2:21:50] that's how we trigger it getting on a future agenda.
[2:21:54] At this point, support for that's not there.
[2:21:57] But you absolutely have our attention.
[2:21:59] You have my attention.
[2:22:01] And you have my commitment that even though we disagree,
[2:22:05] that I will maintain vigilance over the contract, the function,
[2:22:09] and make sure that we continue to look at alternatives
[2:22:13] and if there's any issues with Flop that I feel
[2:22:18] are compromising how the privacy of our community
[2:22:24] or individuals, we will absolutely act upon that.
[2:22:28] At this point, based upon the rules we have in place,
[2:22:32] I remain comfortable at this point in time
[2:22:35] with maintaining what we have.
[2:22:36] Yes.
[2:22:37] My key did say that the court was on the other
[2:22:43] side.
[2:22:46] Those council members who did under public comment could choose to make comments or not.
[2:22:50] I've pulled the council members prior to the speeding one or one and at this point as
[2:22:54] the chair of the body as the chair of the body there was not an interest in doing so.
[2:22:59] If tomorrow morning or next week or next month that changes, then it is very dangerous
[2:23:04] because we just heard all those two hours in the comment.
[2:23:08] I'll let those those council members could choose to make comments and see if they if they don't want to that's their preference
[2:23:15] under under council council comments and
[2:23:18] the
[2:23:19] You know they're thoughtful consideration maybe different than yours or mine or anybody else's and they make shoes to just
[2:23:26] Contemplate and they know that that they can weigh in with being individually
[2:23:31] And if there there's a change again tomorrow a week month six months, then we have that opportunity
[2:23:41] Okay, that takes us to the end of counter-comments.
[2:23:44] We will be moving into the consent calendar next,
[2:23:47] but we will be taking a file rate.
[2:23:49] It's now 948 PM.
[2:23:52] We will reconvene at 1025 PM.
[2:40:00] Okay, ladies and gentlemen, it is 10.05, calling us back to order out of our recess for
[2:40:13] a continuation of the long-state youth, 2026, and the rest of the city council. Next item on the agenda, this evening, is the consent calendar. A motion for concurrence would be in order, some motion by council.
[2:40:36] I'm going to move to the
[2:40:49] public,
[2:40:55] push down an item, move to the second, oh Dean, I'm sorry, thank you, and D2, D2, D2, D1, D2 are also, D2 is also a move to the public,
[2:41:04] and council
[2:41:08] final have opportunity and the other few which remove
[2:41:12] There's a public and items that you wish remove for separate consideration voting to it.
[2:41:22] Opportunity members of the public
[2:41:25] Very none
[2:41:26] Consent calendars there for a firm and consists of all items a
[2:41:30] D5 with the exception of D1 D2 and D3 which have been removed for separate consideration both
[2:41:37] Council, I turn to you and ask if there's any questions
[2:41:39] any of the main items on the consent calendar.
[2:41:43] Council, Darren, which I have.
[2:41:46] If there are any questions,
[2:41:48] Council, the other items for questions or comments.
[2:41:51] And that's the thing that's in the comments.
[2:41:53] Okay.
[2:41:54] And the other's council, there are other members of the public.
[2:41:58] Any items that you wish to ask questions
[2:42:00] or make comments on it that will remain on the consent calendar.
[2:42:04] Here, you know, request for members of the public
[2:42:05] I'm going to request for comments.
[2:42:06] I've turned to council for the item that can be had
[2:42:10] or had a question or comment on it.
[2:42:11] I have a D file out there.
[2:42:13] I submitted the print of 301.
[2:42:15] I was looking at it as it says,
[2:42:16] we're ordering four by two trucks on both the 250s and 350s.
[2:42:21] And then we're going to put the first up on the side.
[2:42:23] I guess I'm hoping to clarify,
[2:42:25] I'm just wondering, does the price reflect
[2:42:27] the four-match order with the options that are selected?
[2:42:30] Yes.
[2:42:30] The price reflects the four-match order
[2:42:32] on all three-match orders.
[2:42:34] Okay, so okay, I just want to make sure and it's like will they send it over to advice because it looks like that came from the dealership as a part of my team.
[2:42:42] Well, it was actually, it was actually a key out there on our side.
[2:42:47] So what went to the dealership actually is what
[2:42:59] was, you know, a few pounds of dollars different.
[2:43:04] So I'm trying to make it a consent and original one for you.
[2:43:08] Yes sir.
[2:43:09] Thank you.
[2:43:10] Yeah, well listen to your question and leave on.
[2:43:12] It was just to confirm that these were part of the CIPID approved to be mentioned.
[2:43:17] Yes, it is.
[2:43:19] Can I have any other questions on item B5?
[2:43:22] You've got the public and questions on item B5.
[2:43:25] All right, the consent calendar has been affirmed with a motion of a second for approval of all items A through D5,
[2:43:31] with the exception of D1 and D2 and D3, which have been approved for second consideration voting.
[2:43:36] The question comes from motion before us.
[2:43:39] There is a public in question of motion before us, is the motion approved?
[2:43:43] Any questions from members?
[2:43:44] Councilor members of the public.
[2:43:46] Please call the roll of motion before us.
[2:43:50] Yes.
[2:43:51] Councilor Henson.
[2:43:52] Yes.
[2:43:53] Councilwoman MacMahon.
[2:43:54] Yes.
[2:43:55] Councilor Nguyen.
[2:43:56] Yes.
[2:43:56] Councilor Nguyen.
[2:43:57] Yes.
[2:43:58] Councilor Nguyen Ziemba.
[2:43:59] Yes.
[2:44:00] Mayor Chauvin.
[2:44:00] Yes.
[2:44:01] Those items that remain in the second column under our past report is with the staff report.
[2:44:05] That takes us to the items that are removed for separate consideration and voting.
[2:44:10] For the purposes of discussion, I am combining the discussion of D1 and D2 because there are related to the same, essentially the same project, we will have to pass our vote on them separately, but for the purpose of discussion, I am moving both of those.
[2:44:30] I understand there's members of the public that are here that wish to
[2:44:33] make comments on those proposals. Does that have a case?
[2:44:39] Okay, feel free to come forward if you'd like.
[2:44:42] Question
[2:44:53] here is commenting on the presentation made earlier by the
[2:44:58] and all members of the whole group.
[2:45:00] This is a work of time. It is. Absolutely. Okay. Then, then, I, and we'll, we have a couple others that want to share a tag on it. So, um, maybe I'll slide five. I have the. Good evening, Mayor. Um, Mayor Turner, members of council and staff. My name is John McNamara. I reside at my wife, Diane at 13 North Street, one of the bronze stones. I'm an artist.
[2:45:29] project and urban signing and design consultant,
[2:45:33] and if I've been involved in transit-oriented design
[2:45:35] and development projects, and over a dozen major US
[2:45:39] central areas over the last 45 years.
[2:45:42] Tonight, I am here representing the Brownstone's H-O-A,
[2:45:46] which includes all 10 rural houses located
[2:45:50] in the middle of the Woodstock station site,
[2:45:52] or of course, the former.s site.
[2:45:54] As a follow-up for our attendance yet,
[2:45:57] that your public workshop last September,
[2:46:01] where you were considering the two finalists
[2:46:03] for, as you would have selected,
[2:46:06] move forward with project development.
[2:46:08] And then of course, your city council meeting
[2:46:10] of May 19th, just a couple of months ago,
[2:46:13] where you were doing project progress
[2:46:16] with the emergency building group.
[2:46:18] And then I'll follow meetings with Jessica
[2:46:21] and a lot of correspondence that's going back
[2:46:23] and forth between Jessica and herself.
[2:46:24] So, in others, I'm here tonight to present our serious concerns with the current Murphy
[2:46:30] Development proposed site plan and you're going to also hear a few comments on the
[2:46:35] redevelopment agreement from others, in which there was comments on the site plan focusing
[2:46:41] in generally four areas.
[2:46:43] The first being barking and transportation, the second being building and passing, the third
[2:46:49] the architectural character and the last being exciting development.
[2:46:55] Starting out with
[2:46:56] transportation and parking as per usual area. As many as you know, I had probably repeatedly
[2:47:04] sent another public forums at Clay Street is a transportation disaster. And it serves as a
[2:47:12] minor collector in the city's street system carrying between 3,000 and 5,000 cars a day depending
[2:47:17] depending on where you are and the corridor
[2:47:20] and handle a significant global traffic,
[2:47:22] including the school buses, emergency vehicles
[2:47:25] that are each ordering off of,
[2:47:27] gave off 47 because of traffic jams
[2:47:30] and so forth there because I can move faster.
[2:47:33] Significant pedestrian traffic
[2:47:35] and bicycle traffic to and from the square,
[2:47:39] the railroad station and anywhere in the downtown area
[2:47:42] because that is the major corridor
[2:47:44] from the northeast neighborhoods and of course it has scattered parking and
[2:47:50] handicaps cases located along at particularly south of North Street, between
[2:47:55] North Street and Church Street, which courses the commercial area as well as
[2:47:59] a number of public agencies along there. So as a result it's a two-lane street that
[2:48:05] beanders back and forth as you move down it and access in and out of it is rather
[2:48:11] difficult. Now the working development proposal has increased the number of units that you
[2:48:18] all heard of a little earlier from 156 units overall, the project 287 units, about 20% increase,
[2:48:27] that increase also increases the traffic volumes. And so we're looking at a traffic volume before
[2:48:32] or at the 156 unit, level of maybe 950, I'm sorry,
[2:48:37] or roughly 750 to 900 trips per day.
[2:48:42] That jumps up to 950 to 1150 a day
[2:48:45] when you increase units up to 187.
[2:48:49] So, and all of those trips, most of all of those trips,
[2:48:52] have to use place-free,
[2:48:54] somehow get in and out of that area
[2:48:57] unless we tap seriously about doing some things
[2:48:59] short street to create another access over one point and over.
[2:49:03] Would you say the majority of those trips will be south?
[2:49:07] Would you say to again, yes, the majority of those trips will be south.
[2:49:10] Did the trip go south?
[2:49:12] Yup.
[2:49:12] So, and of course, we've got the extensive traffic to the railroad station
[2:49:19] as well as the only environment human services
[2:49:21] which nobody seems to ever be paying attention to.
[2:49:25] And, of course, the nighttime graphic, and weekend graphic that mixes with S-creams and
[2:49:32] all the bills because of the against, or if you place up the number for it.
[2:49:36] So all of this transportation chaos has really not been addressed in any development proposals
[2:49:42] up to this point of time, is still kind of being ignored and that's what I'm saying, kind
[2:49:48] of bringing everybody's attention.
[2:49:50] I'm not necessarily laying this on her feet, and I'm laying this on the city as my feet
[2:49:55] are going because I think we're looking at it, so meet your problems here.
[2:50:00] That's the high sign there. The secondary interpretation parking is the use of the bronze stones
[2:50:06] right away, from major access and parking to the development. That driveway was initially
[2:50:13] designed to serve us ten units, the general laws as they exist today, and another ten
[2:50:20] row offices on the other side, if they were to be developed and we all look for the history
[2:50:24] of all of that. However, that's not going to be ten units anymore on the other side. It's
[2:50:29] It's going to be 30% and you start beginning to talk about using that right where you can access
[2:50:36] parking lots and access the branches, the construction branches that will be in that
[2:50:42] building and some significant issues there.
[2:50:48] So I think we really, as an organization, feel that we really need to be emphasizing and working
[2:50:57] develop and really need to be emphasizing the use of null and use of a Wheeler as the major
[2:51:05] accesses and entries to the new project. And Jessica and I looked at some options as
[2:51:12] to how some of that's going to happen earlier. So we need a second to get brought up here.
[2:51:21] And as I've also made, as I've also made certain earlier presentations,
[2:51:25] The Brown School's HR way has maintained this strongly as a private product for over 20 years,
[2:51:32] well for nearly 20 years, including the snowfalling and regular resealing program every three years.
[2:51:38] So we've got it, significant investment in that.
[2:51:41] So all of that information is moving on to the second issue area of building massing.
[2:51:46] Currently, the perfect development proposal presents numerous, and then we can go to Slack 6 and 7,
[2:51:53] just kind of click on for a minute, numerous architectural character references from the square,
[2:52:02] from the nearby historic districts and neighborhoods.
[2:52:05] None of which are of the scale of what they're talking about in terms of size and building.
[2:52:13] You know, the courthouse and the old bank building on the square are probably the two biggest things they look at.
[2:52:19] But we're not, we're talking about a building, 258 feet long, where they flat the side facing the back of the ground stones.
[2:52:31] And the exact similar building, almost the exact similar, flip-flop over Neil Street, that would be back up to a partner on the adjacent to the transition.
[2:52:40] That is a massive building. It's a building that's just a little small, it's just a little shy of a football field.
[2:52:47] And as a result, that's not something I think has been experienced in terms of a large scale multi-family building anywhere in Woodstock.
[2:52:59] of three or four stories fall in that one.
[2:53:03] So I think it's a little bit of a misnower
[2:53:06] to be driving millions like those,
[2:53:09] those two, leveling all the others on this project.
[2:53:13] We're talking about buildings there
[2:53:14] at least 200 feet long and some will come up
[2:53:17] the length of 250 feet, which is what these two are.
[2:53:22] And as a result, the architecture,
[2:53:25] particularly on the backs of those buildings
[2:53:27] is not going to be very attractive.
[2:53:28] the long factor saw and 22 parking broadens.
[2:53:33] So I think that's something that needs to be really
[2:53:36] looked seriously yet because we need to be looking
[2:53:39] at, you know, we don't know the strip,
[2:53:41] you know, the hammer.
[2:53:43] And no, this will be multiple buildings.
[2:53:45] And before it was a lot less,
[2:53:47] I wrote it was a lot more buildings,
[2:53:48] the smaller scale and a little bit easier to handle
[2:53:51] in terms of all the buildings scattered around the site
[2:53:53] that could be just like five to the early plan.
[2:53:57] and four times the number of which, but these buildings,
[2:54:03] if we're not careful, I'm gonna look at warehouses
[2:54:06] or farms, they are massive.
[2:54:09] And they are just nothing like it in which
[2:54:11] I can let you go look at industrial buildings
[2:54:13] or Walmart or something like that.
[2:54:16] So, they're totally out of characters
[2:54:17] for as work and symbolism association
[2:54:20] with both neighborhoods and historic districts adjacent.
[2:54:23] Third issue, architectural character.
[2:54:25] Again, working development did an analysis and looked at the fellow character references
[2:54:31] to the illustrator in slide 67, and portrayed various references there, looking at such
[2:54:37] things, including ronsons, or looked at, including such things as a desire of speculation,
[2:54:44] front and side of porches, anti-geworkation, desired texture variations, and the various skilled
[2:54:53] Forges and not forges, I'm sorry, periscope, pitch groups, and of course tribal groups.
[2:55:00] All right, some of those ideas and concepts into the new new development. I think they could do more of that is what I'm going to add here. Again, as a relating to the building
[2:55:10] passing, but also more of that on these buildings right now, they're putting a little bit of work down on the first floor, but a little bit. And now a lot of society up above at different angles, obviously, that creates a different texture.
[2:55:26] But that's, there's a lot of extensive lectures on big buildings here that we think are not necessarily keeping with the neighborhood so far.
[2:55:36] And lastly, a lack of overall site development in urban amenities, where I'm going without that one, is when you take a look at the site plan,
[2:55:47] And I was like, I'm talking about the news like them, yeah, there we go.
[2:55:55] How much green do you see that's not either part of the railroad railway or retention
[2:56:01] areas, not very much?
[2:56:05] And as a result, with all that building massive, and you're looking at Rooster, and all that
[2:56:13] parking, and the roadways, and the access
[2:56:16] drive, there is not very much home space left.
[2:56:21] And as a result, there's not very much space to plant trees,
[2:56:25] and we'll do an extensive property and landscape program.
[2:56:28] There are recreational assets for young children,
[2:56:31] the bot park, seating areas, and accommodate the multiple,
[2:56:36] multi-use, special path that's been discussed
[2:56:38] for looping up through this area in that highway 47
[2:56:41] and to the train stations where on the stuff.
[2:56:44] So we were truly committed to trying to achieve
[2:56:49] the principles of sustainability, walkability,
[2:56:57] and quality of life that are espoused
[2:56:59] in your recently adopted downtown development plan.
[2:57:04] I think we're doing a very good job on a site here
[2:57:07] because there's no space left to do that.
[2:57:11] And so strongly, strongly recommending that, again,
[2:57:16] getting back to those massive buildings
[2:57:19] and the parking to support them.
[2:57:21] So in conclusion, it is our feeling as a,
[2:57:24] as an age of age that's concerned about
[2:57:26] quality involvement and the look of it
[2:57:30] and the feel of how it fits in with neighborhoods and so forth.
[2:57:33] We feel there's too much development proposed
[2:57:36] resulting in too much traffic,
[2:57:38] resulting in very large, boxy, farm-led buildings resulting in a limited amount of opportunity
[2:57:47] to create a green space in urban and many different areas.
[2:57:52] And what's needed is a real look at smaller buildings, or figuring out how to make these bigger buildings
[2:58:00] look like they have made out of smaller components.
[2:58:04] so their size are more articulated and a better definition of the
[2:58:11] Newell and Wheeler entryways to the project. No use of the Brownstone's
[2:58:17] driveway. More open spaces of many new development as I get seven minutes
[2:58:22] ago. Looking at comprehensive review of Clay Street, Venice is much
[2:58:29] responsibility of the city as it is of the developer, and also figuring out maybe how we're going to
[2:58:36] accommodate that north loop of the life path from the train station looking back to St.
[2:58:41] Rock 47.
[2:58:45] Last thing I'd like to say, and I think it should be noted that we can have ourselves
[2:58:50] available every beginning of the way to have discussions and work with the city and
[2:58:56] and working development, and we really haven't had a whole lot of outreach to us other than
[2:59:03] good communications with Jessica.
[2:59:07] And so this is what's the result.
[2:59:11] I mean, these concerns are outlined in these four areas.
[2:59:14] It resulted in a whole lot of that.
[2:59:16] And it would just like to end with two quotes.
[2:59:20] Mayor Turner, you made a comment on September 22nd last fall.
[2:59:25] that made America a little bit earlier, you said this project needs to include
[2:59:29] timeless architecture and design quality. And then the words you wrote on the
[2:59:35] team as they were presenting their side because they were competing at that
[2:59:38] point in time, also made it a bit of an interesting time and it said this project
[2:59:42] should have a pedestrian-focused public realm with our titillating, building,
[2:59:48] massing at a residential scale.
[2:59:52] Those are all good words.
[2:59:54] They're included in the downtown Dome of Client,
[2:59:57] that's right in the middle.
[2:59:58] And we couldn't create more...
[3:00:00] And we think that the urgent moment for both hold or the site line at this point is a little bit unimagined to be addressed in these areas. So thank you very much. John, thank you. I appreciate your comments on this and I appreciate the way you articulate it and organize it somewhere. So I'm going to ask the representative for working development to comment on just a moment once in the thoughts he's hearing there. I want to set play play aside.
[3:00:29] It's not their issue. It's a city issue. It will not be solved. It wasn't going to be solved when the stock station was coming.
[3:00:36] It was not. It was the same situation. I can't remember the original number of units that were supposed to go there. All builds out.
[3:00:43] It was like 400 plus. How many?
[3:00:46] And it was my recollection.
[3:00:48] And I apologize.
[3:00:49] My recollection was like the key plus of the Brown
[3:00:52] Towns, a sudden story of apartment building
[3:00:55] or by works.
[3:00:56] We were at home.
[3:00:57] And it was very much commercial recollection.
[3:01:00] What place?
[3:01:01] We need a pay attention to play.
[3:01:03] So message received.
[3:01:04] Yeah.
[3:01:05] And if you have a number back in the Winstocks station days,
[3:01:07] that was going to be an uninvested in the railroad
[3:01:09] north of the Creations.
[3:01:10] Yes.
[3:01:11] Whether it was a lot more money.
[3:01:12] And it's going to happen.
[3:01:15] It isn't working out.
[3:01:16] we are faced with development options now in 2026 and 2027 and I look I wish the
[3:01:25] entire development would have been built out in 2005 you know with the
[3:01:30] architecture that you guys have the amount of brick and all that and yes I'm a
[3:01:34] fan of seven-story brick apartment complex back then but that's not the
[3:01:38] development cycle right now we're in a new environment and so we have to react
[3:01:42] to that environment, that's part of what we've been doing.
[3:01:47] As a place of building, building massings,
[3:01:50] and I understand that, there's a density issue
[3:01:55] that any developer needs in order
[3:01:57] to make the investment worthwhile,
[3:02:00] but we have guided them on that density
[3:02:03] all over the open to their thoughts on it.
[3:02:06] Architectural breaking up a long building,
[3:02:09] I agree with you 100%, you know, Jessica, you know, I believe you told me, you know, in a conversation that, you know, the design piece of that is not, you know, it's, it is, there's concept, but it is not final.
[3:02:24] And so I think the point that you're making about, you know, not one long building that's unbroken, I think there needs some piece of variation there.
[3:02:33] just coincidentally, I had to take a drive, to take a drive by the new structures that are going up in
[3:02:40] Crystal Lake, north of Mint, north of 14, west of Maine, behind the jewel, and I see similarity in design,
[3:02:50] you know, of what those now look like, you know, versus concepts, and I saw previously, and that's kind of how I view the
[3:02:57] the next step of this process occurring.
[3:03:01] Any comments as it relates to building scale
[3:03:03] or massing that you would have?
[3:03:08] I guess the only comment I make is when we were chosen,
[3:03:11] we had 256 minutes more selected.
[3:03:15] The site is very tight and very hard to lay out
[3:03:18] and it just wasn't working with the concepts we looked at.
[3:03:23] So I think a lot, everything else is subjective
[3:03:26] but as far as read space, I haven't seen a difference between the site planning on the time the site won't need that,
[3:03:32] and we do a lot of plans to the landscape.
[3:03:35] It's going to look great.
[3:03:37] I think it's hard to articulate the drawings that we have today,
[3:03:41] because again, we're just trying to get the passing down,
[3:03:44] but these are not big part of the buildings by any multi-finished standard.
[3:03:49] So, I mean, certainly, in the beginning of the truth, we have finished the design.
[3:03:56] But, this is the nesting we're probably going to wind up with.
[3:03:59] Which I think is perfectly clear to what it's there now to start sizing those.
[3:04:04] As far as the driveway goes up, I don't know if the safe's on the surface.
[3:04:07] It's not this is a private driver, it's his family.
[3:04:11] And, you know, we probably have to use it.
[3:04:14] Yep.
[3:04:15] And it's trying.
[3:04:17] So tell you what, you can say your comments to us and if you'd like to say a comment,
[3:04:21] you're welcome to come up so we can all hear.
[3:04:23] And then you get to see what's on the survey.
[3:04:27] Right.
[3:04:28] Is that right?
[3:04:29] I understand that that driveway adding more units is different than how it exists now.
[3:04:35] I understand that change.
[3:04:37] You know, if you cause concern in the part of residents, I don't know if we realistically have a way forward
[3:04:43] that it all worked, had a way to get around that, in that particular location, the size
[3:04:48] of the building, and the massing of it, that's a free storage building, correct?
[3:04:52] Those are free buildings, okay.
[3:04:55] So the massing of it and breaking, you know, creating some architectural break-up.
[3:05:00] I think is, again, should be something you consider and look at, and we will consider in the design phase. Yeah, absolutely. I think we'll try to do that within, again, rest of the semantics design concept.
[3:05:14] Council, we've got to close up.
[3:05:15] It's kind of a question of, and for me it's a little late night, you said that a new building
[3:05:21] that would be in Georgia behind the Brownsons is like 200 or something.
[3:05:25] According to the map, when we look at it, it's the exact size of all the Brownsons that are together,
[3:05:29] and there is no breakup. I mean, there's design, and the windows look different, but it's still a massive,
[3:05:43] The
[3:05:47] bronze stones are just a little less than that, but there is some, there's some
[3:05:56] articulation in the bronze stones that create identity for the individual, individual units.
[3:06:04] And I guess what we were looking at is, when you look at the two sketches, and I get, I truly get it.
[3:06:11] You're at Masky Street right now.
[3:06:15] But that kind of a flat facade with various types of angular-sided added is just not going to be very attractive unless it's broken up.
[3:06:27] and make it look like, you know, there's some articulations to it, and I'm not looking
[3:06:34] at something that's, you know, 350-something long, that's just all one along there.
[3:06:42] Now, in addition to all of that, and a point that I forgot to make that, that it wanted
[3:06:50] out, is that they aren't at the site, each outside of the plant level at this point in time,
[3:06:55] But they will get to that and that's including trees, landscaping, and all of that
[3:07:00] Possibly breaking up some of that parking by putting some landscape islands in there
[3:07:06] We'll also help to break up that facade behind it
[3:07:10] And so, you know, if there's some work that can be applied to the buildings
[3:07:13] To create some articulation and break that up into units
[3:07:17] Like it was going to be earlier version of the plan
[3:07:22] and maybe work some landscaping
[3:07:24] kind of into that garden that could go a long way
[3:07:28] to store stuff and enough of that.
[3:07:30] So they, that's not pretty simple, are you agreeable to that?
[3:07:34] Yeah, I'm there, so we should get before anything.
[3:07:37] And we can start by this, it's very subjective,
[3:07:40] but obviously we don't have to answer any panel design only.
[3:07:44] So yeah, we're hoping for all of that.
[3:07:47] I think what we're trying to know about here
[3:07:49] for emergency R.A. is the nature we had, the land could be your model and in realistic
[3:07:56] environment. So we have all those options, Jessica, can you make a note of that in this
[3:08:01] part of the focus segment? My question got answered as a year-to-year renderings and I know
[3:08:12] we're not that's not what we're voting on here, but did these pictures that is
[3:08:19] provided where you've tried to, you know, sign in one fake line of building
[3:08:24] trade that you scale back, change the road lines, was the back of the building
[3:08:28] is going to look the same as the front or where they go be on a straight line.
[3:08:34] I think if you look at what's going through the traditional multi-finity, we try to
[3:08:37] part not to have a bad room building.
[3:08:40] So there's, there's students I'm recording,
[3:08:42] there's students in the middle that have the right access.
[3:08:45] So it wouldn't be, I know we're not at the point in the state,
[3:08:48] but it wouldn't mean your attention
[3:08:50] at one straight wall of the building.
[3:08:52] No, this, this fear is out of time to our peak.
[3:08:55] You have to take a particular issue
[3:08:57] we're talking about, just bring this deal down somewhat.
[3:09:01] And I think the way it's done, your sense of,
[3:09:04] if you hear a lot of things,
[3:09:05] this is in your building, new construction and a historic district, which doesn't make sense,
[3:09:11] but you have to do something. So they were trying to take a clue from, you know, there's a lot,
[3:09:17] I think a lot of people, they didn't see anything in the downtown, but everything around it is much more,
[3:09:24] you know, it enables like this, so they were trying to be responsive to a lot of different input that
[3:09:30] So, we're not bearing to any of it, but I think the basic sizing, you know, massing, I think that's, you know, we're, we're, we're hopefully, you know, all that too, just trying to squeeze everything in.
[3:09:51] But yeah, we're, we're working on that, that's not for me.
[3:09:54] That kind of answer to some of my question, my other question is, now they're both the billion-
[3:10:00] What's your bank event? When you see top 100 parking, is that just getting more of a cardboard? Well, they don't use all the coal rises. The coal rises. The coal rises. Yeah, I think the way you see the revenues of them, we're trying to show it. It's really, when you're walking through it, we try to keep up. It doesn't feel like it's too early. Right? It doesn't feel like it's too early with bank-to-bank garage doors and ground soles. You mean the only thing that thinks is they're waiting? Right. There's parking in there with those buildings. Yeah, there's buildings.
[3:10:31] Yes, all the building brand are to participate in the project.
[3:10:34] We actually got a lot more in building, parking,
[3:10:38] and we originally, I'm jealous.
[3:10:44] I lost power on my laptop.
[3:10:46] I'm fine.
[3:10:47] I'm fine.
[3:10:47] So I'll be asking for help, following the way.
[3:10:51] I
[3:10:53] was there.
[3:10:56] I'm good for nothing, but next
[3:11:01] question.
[3:11:07] I'll get to other countries.
[3:11:08] I'll be inside.
[3:11:10] Go ahead, Councilor.
[3:11:12] Yeah. Any other comments? Any other comment? Any other public comments?
[3:11:17] In
[3:11:30] Olsen, my husband, Scott, and I live at the Brownstones, I live in South Station,
[3:11:36] a lot more straight. So my purpose is coming here to my space to create discussed traffic issues.
[3:11:43] Our HOA has removed the proposed oral site man provided by
[3:11:50] emergency development group, and we feel compelled to address the city council and
[3:11:56] roughly development tonight to point out what we perceived to be a major
[3:12:01] problem with the vehicle access from Clay Street via our driveway to the proposed
[3:12:09] 35 apartment units and parking directly located to the south of the groundstones. Our town
[3:12:19] home in particular is located at the corner of Northern Clay. And we see on a daily basis the
[3:12:27] amount of current traffic on Clay Street generated by local traffic, police, fire, school buses,
[3:12:43] this is a very congested stretch of play street.
[3:12:48] For example, there are often clients parked on play street
[3:12:53] in front of the only apartment of human services agency
[3:12:57] who need to make use of the handicap parking space.
[3:13:01] When this occurs, if you are driving on a new one,
[3:13:05] and want to make a right turn heading north on the play.
[3:13:10] You are run forth to drive down the middle of the road,
[3:13:15] which can be dangerous if there's an armed traffic
[3:13:18] on play heading south.
[3:13:20] This area of congestion aligns with the proposed entry
[3:13:26] and exit from the apartment in the south of our driveway,
[3:13:30] which you can see on the red ring.
[3:13:33] Also, despite having signs posted indicating that our dryway is not a street, and General's
[3:13:40] are not allowed, the use of this dryway by people other than brownstone residents
[3:13:46] occurs multiple times today.
[3:13:49] We often have people parking on our dryway for the duration of their appointments at the
[3:13:56] Department of Human Services Agency across the street. This development situation
[3:14:03] would only add to the traffic congestion of cars entering and exiting our
[3:14:08] driveway at this location. We are very concerned with the working
[3:14:13] development plan allowing access to the proposed departments and their
[3:14:18] parking from Clay Street via our driveway. If you were to observe a daily basis
[3:14:25] like we do. The traffic issues on clay, it would make better sense to have the
[3:14:32] apartment traffic routed through Newall, North, First, or Wheeler streets. Please
[3:14:40] remember that our only access to our browsers is via the driveway. That's our
[3:14:47] only access. With the number of units planned for this development, including the
[3:14:53] 35 immediately across from the railway and an average daily estimate of 5.
[3:15:00] This car trips per unit per day. This driveway will not be able to accommodate this volume traffic on play street, and will become even more of a bottleneck than it currently is. Since the city and
[3:15:15] And if you develop it, are still in the planning stages of this
[3:15:19] aparplent development, it would make sense to us if you were
[3:15:24] to address these traffic flow issues now in the native.
[3:15:31] Those are our concerns regarding traffic flow,
[3:15:34] in particular how we play.
[3:15:43] Staff, any comments relative to the design
[3:16:03] So that would be a good question for Joe and we could definitely get back to the council
[3:16:09] on that conversation with Joe.
[3:16:11] What I know is historically one of the thoughts is that the homoplyling was very dense and
[3:16:17] in there I will say play does nearly always be indicated by the Department of Health and
[3:16:23] Mental Services if I can't want it, I definitely want to increase that to make it so it's
[3:16:28] in line with what the road is but as far as traffic problems go itself, that's not my
[3:16:37] But the other thing is that current traffic flows on play or noticeably up uncertain because there are 47, you know, I mean, probably about which is impacting that.
[3:17:07] I appreciate your concern, I don't know if I have an answer for it, and I don't know if I'm willing to forego the entire whole development, because the opportunity that this, in my opinion, represents for the city of Woodstock.
[3:17:23] You know, an individual council members
[3:17:25] might have to make that decision as well.
[3:17:27] What I would like to see is in an offline discussion
[3:17:32] if there is some ability for some tweaks
[3:17:35] in that area to help assist with or improve
[3:17:40] some of the flow that's going on there.
[3:17:43] If, you know, that alley was originally planned
[3:17:45] to be an access point for another several houses.
[3:17:50] Right, Roscoe?
[3:17:50] So it was doubling answers for all the home appliances
[3:17:53] that you can burn or that's supposed to be in in the
[3:17:55] industry.
[3:17:56] So yeah, trust me.
[3:17:58] Thank you.
[3:17:58] So it was referring to the one-stop stations.
[3:18:02] Yeah.
[3:18:02] Taken.
[3:18:03] Taken, I've seen, and that we've referenced,
[3:18:07] had the building to the south of the roundstones
[3:18:12] in the dry that's a 45-unit apartment building.
[3:18:16] And that dried has an easement that was intended
[3:18:19] to benefit the entirety of the development.
[3:18:23] So that's what Emily Perth Development Group has been referencing
[3:18:26] in their paintings of the same.
[3:18:29] Okay. Thank you.
[3:18:31] That's an important clarification.
[3:18:33] Because you have to find remember also the roadhouses
[3:18:35] we're going to be the,
[3:18:37] since everyone there across the street,
[3:18:40] North Street.
[3:18:41] If I remember, there's also to be roadhouses going there
[3:18:43] and for roadhouses on the north side of North Street.
[3:18:46] If I remember, Brennan.
[3:18:47] We
[3:18:58] do have plans from the whole site, and those were platforms we went to and looked at those platforms when the initiative builds.
[3:19:07] So, what was across the street were platforms.
[3:19:12] That used that drive.
[3:19:14] We used the drive map across the street that used the drive.
[3:19:20] There was that much that's rising and it continued and it didn't do just I believe in the
[3:19:27] parts of life.
[3:19:34] This is a little part of life so at least that and we do have lines so that you would
[3:19:42] like to access them.
[3:19:44] But I'm actually going to talk about that.
[3:19:45] Can I talk about something else?
[3:19:47] You search for it.
[3:19:47] Okay, okay.
[3:19:49] We've got my phone.
[3:19:51] Got you.
[3:19:52] Here we go.
[3:19:53] I hear that support of the project as proposed
[3:19:57] because all the reasons...
[3:20:08] I'm here because of the amount of subsidy for public participation that the city is providing,
[3:20:15] the city and residents are providing for this project that does not, is not compliant with the surrounding
[3:20:23] community doesn't complement it, and while it tremendously impacts that same community.
[3:20:30] As proposed, according to the development agreement, if fully developed, the merchant price
[3:20:35] will provide 187 units and attract approximately 200 and 80 residents, that's at $1.5 per unit.
[3:20:44] And for a cost of $9.5 million or approximately $51,000 to think of that $51,000 for $1.5 million
[3:20:58] but that includes the $8 million interest in $1.5 million that the city paid for the land that
[3:21:12] In addition, the city is waiting as formal fees for water, sewer, streets, police, and building permits.
[3:21:21] Since this is an infill project, the water, sewer, and streets are not that big of a concern, because they currently exist, although there's going to need to be improvements, and I'm sure that's being taken up in the district money.
[3:21:34] But the built in permits is a major city accommodation.
[3:21:38] I have provided an inspection service,
[3:21:40] except for free it is a direct cost to the city
[3:21:44] and to the residents of Woodstock.
[3:21:47] Now, it's a development goal to reduce project risk
[3:21:50] as much as possible.
[3:21:52] Usually that means reducing the cost of the project to the developer.
[3:21:59] I developed multi-family rental housing
[3:22:02] for 15 years before retiring.
[3:22:04] So I understand that need, and I understand the need
[3:22:07] for laborists.
[3:22:08] You won't be able to build on laborists,
[3:22:10] you're not going to be able to finance it,
[3:22:11] et cetera, so no.
[3:22:13] But for this project, one way to reduce risk
[3:22:17] is to receive as much subsidy
[3:22:20] as public participation as possible.
[3:22:25] It's not based, I don't know,
[3:22:27] haven't seen that's based on need, but it's as possible.
[3:22:32] This project is receiving the land-to-party house
[3:22:34] and receiving the maximum-tiff financial subsidy
[3:22:37] of $80 million.
[3:22:39] Another way to reduce risk is to minimize upterm costs
[3:22:45] and commitments.
[3:22:47] For this project, the developer has up to six years
[3:22:50] from closing out phase one to start phase two.
[3:22:55] I'm to determine whether they're going to do it or not.
[3:22:58] They have the option to walk away, which means all the 99 units first days would be developed
[3:23:06] and they have control of the phase two project, so through 2033, which six years, that's
[3:23:17] is a long time and I think this is a big ass, I'm a part of the development.
[3:23:21] So the city is providing $9.5 million or $15,000 per unit subsidy with any fees, particularly
[3:23:31] permanent fees and, um,
[3:23:36] the permanent fees, and giving ample time for the projects
[3:23:40] development and success.
[3:23:44] And in any turn, we, the residents of this area, are getting a rental project that does not
[3:23:52] not powerful in the surrounding community design
[3:23:56] and negatively impacts the areas previously mentioned
[3:23:59] by other product of the presenters.
[3:24:02] I have no problem with providing public assistance
[3:24:05] to a quality development.
[3:24:08] But the first, the first city's paying for these
[3:24:11] 1807 units is, I think,
[3:24:13] indivensible as proposed.
[3:24:16] And the development agreement should not be approved
[3:24:19] as written.
[3:24:20] have these are all included in the development agreement?
[3:24:29] I don't think that the plan or redevelopment,
[3:24:35] or the redevelopment that figures the plan we have in place,
[3:24:38] are that substantially different from what we see elsewhere in the market,
[3:24:42] the market exists in a certain state today.
[3:24:45] Okay, and this developer was chosen in large part because of their quality, their quality
[3:24:51] of the historical development, things that they've done previously have finished the job.
[3:24:56] We've had so many fits and starts on this parcel.
[3:25:00] We're going back to 2005. It is time for us to take advantage of a relationship with a developer. And while I might like to have a book a little bit differently, and we all have individual opinions of that, this developer and their track record. And I think the financing that we put in place, we have the needs to do this. And we're using tip, tip funds for going money that we wouldn't collect anyway if we didn't develop it.
[3:25:29] is not costing the city with taxpayers anything directly.
[3:25:34] So, you know, I, I, I, I, we're going to say, I'm just not an
[3:25:38] in agreement with it.
[3:25:39] Jessica, can you make any comments on the nature of the,
[3:25:42] of the development of the development project,
[3:25:47] growth, and financing, and kind of how it compares to what you
[3:25:51] see elsewhere?
[3:25:52] Sure, I mean, thank you, your turn.
[3:25:55] First, I would like to just clarify a couple of things.
[3:25:57] The redevelopment agreement at some of the half grants are $8.9 on the total amount
[3:26:06] of the TIF that the development can receive does not take full advantage of every dollar
[3:26:12] that is projected to be available through TIF.
[3:26:15] There are a couple of things that limit that, one, the cap within the redevelopment agreement
[3:26:20] as well as eligible costs, TIF dollars cannot be used for any expense relative to development.
[3:26:27] And they can only be used for specific eligible costs, which are listed within the agreement.
[3:26:34] So between the cap within the development agreement on the total amount that can be received
[3:26:41] and the constraint of only being able to be reimbursed through for eligible costs, that doesn't
[3:26:47] constitute taking full advantage of all of the dollars that will be available through the
[3:26:53] hit, the projections forward the tip over its lifetime or that it will generate $21.85
[3:27:00] million and so and all of that will be increments because the property is currently effectively has
[3:27:09] a zero base and so all of that will be available increments. So unlike the prior redevelopment
[3:27:16] agreements that we've seen both on this site and other cases in the city, this developer
[3:27:21] or do not approach it from a given everything that you can,
[3:27:24] for as long as you can, perspective,
[3:27:26] but really identify the gap in their ability
[3:27:28] to puzzle a high quality or central project
[3:27:32] within the constraints of this particular site.
[3:27:34] And that's how we made it on the daughter amount
[3:27:36] that we agreed on from a tip
[3:27:39] implemented reimbursement perspective.
[3:27:41] The other thing I wanted to clarify
[3:27:43] was the six years on the decision for with ACE2.
[3:27:48] So, for the redevelopment agreement, it is six years from the adoption of the redevelopment
[3:27:53] agreement.
[3:27:54] So, it will be six years from today, which is effectively one in the two years from
[3:27:59] completion of the first phase.
[3:28:03] So, it's not six years from completion of the first phase.
[3:28:06] I also pointed out in the standard way that the milestone dates that are included within
[3:28:13] the redevelopment agreement or improve the developer's characterization for
[3:28:18] hand-correcting if I'm wrong or outside dates. Their attention is to very much
[3:28:22] from work with this development and if base one is as successful as you all
[3:28:27] anticipate it to be that they would move forward with base two as well.
[3:28:32] Thank you, Jessica. Appreciate that. Other members of the public question for
[3:28:47] Cindy,
[3:28:48] I live in 27th and R.C., I'm a retired Federalist and Safety Specialist.
[3:28:54] I've lived in West Act for over 40 years now.
[3:28:57] I've moved from a single family home to the armed assaults of five years ago.
[3:29:04] I've been very much living there for a while now.
[3:29:08] I've been a Golden Dual, okay.
[3:29:12] One of the concerns that I have is that I can be trusted
[3:29:16] tonight, and I'm just meeting that, but in terms of getting it put out there to work
[3:29:20] and develop, or in order to see, in some of the previous discussions that were just
[3:29:26] talking about a dog bark. Okay, I won't hear anything about that. And the current
[3:29:33] documentation,
[3:29:36] also on going from Plague Street to Wheeler Street on the wool,
[3:29:45] there are
[3:29:47] I've already done this three all the time, and I'm constantly
[3:29:50] imagining people walking by, people walking their dogs,
[3:29:55] everything else because there are a lot of sidewalks.
[3:29:57] So I'm watching a duel, and you say this.
[3:30:00] No plan sidewalks. There are. I said there are no sidewalks at all. Currently. There will be okay. I didn't see anything on we were for sidewalks. I don't know if there are now. I didn't see it. I didn't see it. I didn't see it. I had just a lot of. Maybe one express my concerns.
[3:30:31] I'm definitely going to have sidewalks on me because I'm seeing kids on scooters and bikes
[3:30:36] and I'm getting else and they're out on the street and so I have concerns about that.
[3:30:44] Also I go back to the dog park.
[3:30:46] I assume that some of these residents open the introduce the car because they're going
[3:30:49] to have dogs.
[3:30:51] Hopefully there's going to be some spots that I'm going to go to.
[3:30:53] So again, we haven't seen the final clients,
[3:30:59] the addition of more green space somewhere in here.
[3:31:02] How are we able to put together
[3:31:04] who perhaps hold some of our concerns?
[3:31:07] Well, this is the footprint that's before me,
[3:31:10] so I don't want to pretend like
[3:31:11] that the footprint is as we consider it would change
[3:31:14] if it passes.
[3:31:17] I don't know if that park was part of the,
[3:31:18] some of the essentials that have been going back
[3:31:21] even to the, you know, the founders crossing days in, you know, 2018 and 2019.
[3:31:27] I've been funding these days for a long time.
[3:31:29] Yes, we have.
[3:31:30] And so, I'm empathetic to the developer's need to be able to build the project successfully
[3:31:38] to see it through the end because of the number of false stars we've had in the spot.
[3:31:43] And, you know, if the park wasn't part of it, I understand that.
[3:31:48] I don't think I haven't said it, not 10 to the back part, but I think I have to look at the economics of it.
[3:31:53] So, the sidewalks are definitely bending.
[3:31:56] I asked our understanding that a guard park is still a plant.
[3:31:58] It's still a plant.
[3:32:00] It's a plant with detention, up and forth.
[3:32:03] No, we've always had something in there designated.
[3:32:08] We've just told them it's going to take a little bit.
[3:32:10] We're just going to go get them.
[3:32:10] The speed, we're also going to try to accommodate the bike path.
[3:32:13] So, there's definitely room for it and we've always shown something and we also have the whole clubhouse which is not a program yet.
[3:32:22] And we have the areas that go to the south of the clubhouse, it's really not a program.
[3:32:26] So, we definitely want to include something like that in one break up, the outdoor space is a little more than typical.
[3:32:33] So yeah, it's shown somewhere in one of the things that this one that, you know, is to be sure that I stay correct, you know, that's part of it.
[3:32:43] You know, I think that having done something like that relative to the great space would be useful and important.
[3:32:49] Yeah, and the thing is between us was a Chinese showroom space, but I think there is more of them.
[3:32:56] It looks like, and then we'll close that up and we'll see that.
[3:33:01] And that is a very important part of the next phase.
[3:33:04] Other members of public?
[3:33:06] Hello, Mayor Councilman.
[3:33:08] I'm Anderson.
[3:33:09] I'm president of Bayshire and Brownstones.
[3:33:12] I'm a 29-year-old street.
[3:33:14] And I wanted to thank my neighbors for coming out tonight.
[3:33:18] They do for coming out tonight as well.
[3:33:20] I was really happy to come here tonight.
[3:33:28] I want to be able to emphasize, I don't know, I'm not clear yet, if there's going to be a parallel focus on the safety track of the
[3:33:55] and I don't wish that upon anyone or her family's and I can tell you, as John is born out of Clay Street as a disaster today, and we think about the track of all of this community. It's absolutely wonderful to see this blossom, but I think we have to be thinking very carefully about the sense of the comments that our original John had made on Clay Street and making this not true. So I hope that you guys will enjoy this.
[3:34:22] that that can be a parallel discussion to think about with the impact there, slowing the
[3:34:27] track down on every of these satellites. There's a lot to think through and I can tell you
[3:34:33] that it's a very major situation and it's like that today and the end of how that would be.
[3:34:41] And there's more cars and more foot traffic.
[3:34:46] I appreciate that. Thank you. We will make it,
[3:34:49] you know, staff has heard you in the comments and I believe it's
[3:34:54] House would be supportive of looking at clay from an investment perspective on the way.
[3:35:00] They gave that, aye, nay, not connected to this development, the development would have been there before, the same street. Before 47, the fact that it wasn't under construction, we didn't have a building that's been sitting there for eight months on there. So we're looking to rectify those things, and I think we should look at improvements we could potentially do for Clay as well over a shorter period of time, over the next two years. Thank you. Other members of the public, which is going forward on the side.
[3:35:28] What's
[3:35:37] it that we fancy about this, but I used to work right on the Northwest corner of New
[3:35:45] Old and Flay, which even here people mentioned nobody seems to talk about. On that Northwest
[3:35:54] corner you've got the county office, the DCFS, you've got the county office, the DHS, and you
[3:36:02] have a finder center roof. Right now, that soft end of Newell Street, west of
[3:36:10] play, is off-screen parking. That is almost always filled with cars. And there's
[3:36:17] car, because again, he's 50 staff. Monday through Friday, he's 35, and you've got
[3:36:24] clients that are coming in. They're taking up street parking on play all the way
[3:36:29] out to North.
[3:36:32] Again, they're taking up all of that in southern real street parking. They're
[3:36:38] going to go somewhere. Those buildings, I was one of the first ones to move into that building
[3:36:43] in 1997 and the state has just been taken to develop that building. They're not going anywhere.
[3:36:51] The clients aren't going anywhere. Their cars are going to go somewhere and I can almost guarantee
[3:36:58] if that parking no longer is available on the soft-ended
[3:37:03] wheel street, they're going to go into those parking lots that have access
[3:37:06] off the clean street because you can see the office for those parking lots.
[3:37:13] They're going to assume it's public parking.
[3:37:19] So they're going to go park there.
[3:37:20] So you're either going to have Pist off residents before Pist off cops coming to get tickets
[3:37:26] because of Pist off.
[3:37:27] I'll have to manage it.
[3:37:28] I mean, if you were to phase this, since 1997 or earlier,
[3:37:32] then again, when this development was coming forward
[3:37:34] originally, with stock station, same situation,
[3:37:37] was there.
[3:37:39] And we've had some zoning discussions right across the globe.
[3:37:42] I can't remember how long ago here to relative to that property
[3:37:47] and that building and the functions that are going on there.
[3:37:50] We're living in our ability to guide what goes there,
[3:37:53] but we do recognize it as an issue.
[3:37:55] Yeah, from on the clock was a lot longer because I'm talking I'm thinking you talked about when they wanted to expand parking there and have the building now
[3:38:03] So that's really a little bit. Yeah, okay, sorry, so it's I don't know but I recognize that it's an issue
[3:38:09] Yeah, and again, it has been slowly again, I've lived through
[3:38:15] Three expansions of that moment because again, there was nothing on the other side of the street and that was part of the battle
[3:38:23] So the administration of the time, again about probably a small office of maybe 15 hours
[3:38:31] and then they expanded the DCFS side, we went to 20 to 30.
[3:38:40] And then DHS used to be outside the town and DHS threatened to leave.
[3:38:50] So the power is that they made a decision to attach them there, and now that built in
[3:38:56] rats around the five-year seminar, but again, by point being, I'm much more lazy to focus
[3:39:05] on that in a session, whoever lives there is going to be facing a lot of client and staff
[3:39:12] traffic, 8.30 a.m. Monday through Friday. And again, if there's going to be parking within
[3:39:20] walking distance of those facilities, the clients are going to park there.
[3:39:28] Okay, do we know you?
[3:39:35] I'm going for a minute.
[3:39:36] I'm trying to, why forget this because I live on the West Side.
[3:39:41] Most often when I leave that residence, I take, and I go to the street where this is annually.
[3:39:48] We learned that our real, the reason for that is because when you're supposed to park in the
[3:39:54] haycap spot that Bart had mentioned, to turn right to go south on play street, that
[3:40:05] So that's just a small thing that I do in my game, change my behavior, but we've only got 10 residents that are pulling in not there. So it's very small traffic. And I notice that most of the folks under west will be as well. So again, just speaking about the increase in traffic and what that does.
[3:40:24] Yeah.
[3:40:25] Again, it's getting to that area of play street, it's really not seen.
[3:40:30] It's a blowout paradise, I've worked at it.
[3:40:32] It really makes it actually have a look at stuff.
[3:40:34] It's something different, control is different.
[3:40:38] It's actually the look, it's actually the look.
[3:40:40] I know, I know I'm not a traffic road, you've worked at any traffic city.
[3:40:44] It's all through my, there's something there.
[3:40:48] And with more colors, you'll look at it.
[3:40:50] It's a deal. You'll have to look at all of those things.
[3:40:53] And Carlos, it's absolutely right that amount of traffic I've been there
[3:40:57] around six years, almost six years, in December, and you know,
[3:41:01] on a track that that center of cross history has increased significantly.
[3:41:04] So, they're going to wonder where it's put, you know,
[3:41:07] in December, I mean, you're going to need it.
[3:41:14] Okay. Thank you.
[3:41:16] Yes, Joe.
[3:41:18] Very briefly.
[3:41:20] And some of you may be already thinking of this, but as we selected the bigger picture of Clay Street, I think it would be very wise to think about what the future of the Thomson blind site in Parking lot could be.
[3:41:35] Or it could be Parking. Or just a little solid. We are very focused on that.
[3:41:39] Yeah, it could be Parking first. We'll stop in a little bit. We'll walk around.
[3:41:42] I just want you to belong to the same page, we can't speak to the details, but we're
[3:41:46] belong to the same page.
[3:41:56] All right, very done.
[3:41:57] I don't want to counsel any comments or questions or discussion that you have on these
[3:42:01] items for action.
[3:42:10] I appreciate the comments from the residents and this, for me, this development has been so
[3:42:17] long in coming.
[3:42:19] I was going to be around breaking for Woodstock Station, I still have the shawl, just as a reminder
[3:42:39] that we've looked at their product, we did site visits, some members of staffing,
[3:42:45] and some members of council to their, you know, to their other locations.
[3:42:50] And this, this parcel needs quality development.
[3:42:55] Okay, as I said before, for me personally, I wish we would have Woodstock Station should have started in about 98 or 99, because then it would have been built by the time the British session did in 2008, but unfortunately that didn't happen.
[3:43:11] So what we have to deal with as a council is the reality of the reality where we stand today.
[3:43:16] And the comments you've made are Julie noted.
[3:43:21] I want to try to work on the ones that we can solve.
[3:43:24] I want the next phase of the architecture, building design,
[3:43:29] those kinds of things to take into account some of the issues
[3:43:32] that were raised and to see the creativity
[3:43:35] in the case of what you guys have done elsewhere.
[3:43:38] That's what I look forward to on the next phase,
[3:43:41] if this passes.
[3:43:43] Council, may I have a question to your comments?
[3:43:45] Okay, we have counsel, we have an item for action, the consideration must be separated into two different items, what's your question?
[3:43:55] I make a motion that we approve on a D1.
[3:44:02] Yes.
[3:44:02] The unit units, one is two hundred and three are in the downtown gate
[3:44:09] and the group live in ordinance,
[3:44:10] authorized in city management and executed and under government control.
[3:44:17] Substantially informed and attached to the ordinance has exhibited a, as such,
[3:44:21] the final review of the group live by city attorney, Dr. Wendell.
[3:44:24] Okay, I have a motion.
[3:44:25] I have a question.
[3:44:25] Flynn is there.
[3:44:26] Second.
[3:44:27] Second.
[3:44:27] Second.
[3:44:28] I have a question.
[3:44:28] The motion approved.
[3:44:30] I have a D1.
[3:44:31] I have a question.
[3:44:32] The motion approved.
[3:44:34] I have a question.
[3:44:40] Council members, the public, Chamberlain, appropriate motion, and second item, item D1, please follow the roll-on motion before we start.
[3:44:46] Council members, may I present?
[3:44:48] Yes.
[3:44:49] Council members, may I?
[3:44:50] Yes.
[3:44:53] Council members, may I?
[3:44:54] Yes.
[3:44:55] Was it a brain?
[3:44:56] Yes.
[3:44:57] Yes.
[3:44:58] I don't know.
[3:45:36] Senate, second, second, second, by council, received, and motion approved.
[3:45:39] to item G2, counseling questions and emotions for us.
[3:45:44] There's a public, any questions in the motion for us?
[3:45:47] Is the motion your through?
[3:45:50] Any questions from council or members of the public?
[3:45:52] Jay, we have a appropriate motion.
[3:45:54] And second item, G2, it was called a role in emotional force.
[3:45:57] Councilor Nguyen Van, yes.
[3:45:59] Councilor Nguyen.
[3:46:00] Yes.
[3:46:01] Councilor Nguyen Seager.
[3:46:02] Yes.
[3:46:02] Councilor Nguyen Van, yes.
[3:46:04] Councilor Nguyen Van.
[3:46:05] Yes.
[3:46:06] Councilor Nguyen Van.
[3:46:07] Yes.
[3:46:08] Mayor Chauvin.
[3:46:09] Yes, and I'm also passing down a few of those present voting.
[3:46:13] I thanks to the developer for bringing this forward to share all sort of members of the public
[3:46:17] that made their progress.
[3:46:19] How does tonight and staff, the free development group is very solid.
[3:46:24] You know, it was very, very wonderful.
[3:46:25] So I appreciate that.
[3:46:27] Looking forward to the next phase and turning this into a great final product.
[3:46:32] And getting shovels in the ground, please.
[3:46:38] All right, Council, that takes us to the last line on the move, that higher request item D3.
[3:46:43] This is moved at the prior request for postponement to be signed indefinite at the request of the petitioner.
[3:46:50] A motion to postpone the time indefinite would be an order, given the motion to be postponement to time indefinite and D3.
[3:47:43] Yes.
[3:47:45] Yes.
[3:47:46] Yes.
[3:47:46] Yes.
[3:47:49] Yes.
[3:47:51] Yes.
[3:47:51] That motion was called passing unanimously.
[3:47:55] That takes us to the last item.
[3:47:57] To take on the seat in the Jenna, which it is.
[3:47:59] Future agenda items.
[3:48:00] Turn your attention to the page 285.
[3:48:06] Last page in your packet.
[3:48:08] These are the items proposed for September 1st and September 15th.
[3:48:12] Just a reminder, I will not be here in the summer,
[3:48:14] first meeting, so if you may, we've got the con.
[3:48:18] Any questions on the chat?
[3:48:22] Any questions, Council on the future agenda items?
[3:48:27] Hearing none, that takes us to the end of the evening's meeting.
[3:48:32] I thank the council,
[3:48:36] your approach and begin managing
[3:48:38] a long meeting, a motion adjourned would be in order.
[3:48:42] So motion by Council, Fleds are second.
[3:48:45] Second by Council and Seagars.
[3:48:59] Thank you very much for putting this together, they need to work very well.