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Good evening, everyone. I'd like to welcome you to the architectural review board and municipal planning commission for Thursday October 14th, 2021. This is a virtual meeting and it will be streamed live on the internet. Could you please call the roll? Mr. Rice,

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Mrs. Hulcomb?

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Mr. Faust, here, Mr. Schuster, here, Mrs. Heinz, here, Mr. Myers, here, Mr. Hoffman, and Mr. Colter.

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Here, thank you. Mr. Rice, could you please recite the pledge of allegiance for us?

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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which

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it stands, one nation under God, indivisible for the liberty and justice for all.

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Thank you.

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The meeting minutes of our last meeting were electronically sent out to all of the members

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of the board in the commission.

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There were from September 23rd.

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Do I have a motion to approve?

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Mr. Faust will move to approve.

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Thank you.

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Follow some papers say aye.

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I was the same sign.

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Okay, it's past.

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Thank you.

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Second.

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We need to be a little bit unusual in that we were,

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have fewer topics than what we normally do.

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But these are extremely important topics to see.

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We wanted to be sure to get adequate.

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amount of time for the presentations and the follow-up discussions and any votes that may take place as well as

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giving anybody the audience apple time to chime in and give us their thoughts and opinions.

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The first one that we have tonight is the Architecture Review Board.

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It's the regular agenda.

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It's unfinished business.

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It's the redevelopment of 1033 high street.

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It's application AR70-2020.

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Mr. Colzard, I need a motion to bring this off the table.

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All right.

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Thank you.

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Could I have a motion to remove off the table please?

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Someone.

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And a second.

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Excuse me.

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Thank you.

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All those in favor.

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Removing and putting it back on the table off the table.

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Say aye.

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Aye.

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Opposed the same sign.

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Okay. It's we are ready. Thank you. Mr. Colter, can we go ahead and also take off the

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Missile Planning Commission. I'm finished business for the for the PUD

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Pomegranate Plan. PUD 03220. Yeah. We'll need another motion for that. It's the Mr. Brown

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who's just stated is the Plan Unit Development. It's the Pool Limiteragant Plan. That

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23 high-streets, PUD-03-2020, so could I have a motion to take it off the table?

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I'm happy hoping some moved.

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Thank you, and a second please?

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Right, second.

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Okay, all those in favor of taking this off the table please say aye.

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Aye.

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Aye.

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Opposed same sign.

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All right.

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They are both off the table.

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Thank you, Mr. Culture.

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I do want to turn it over at this point in time as you know.

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We're going to hear a presentation from the applicant updating us on the

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the submittal that's before you tonight.

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Once the applicant is finished, we will turn it over to public comments.

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Again, we have a couple of ways for public comments.

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We have those that were invited into the meeting that sent us an email request

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and then we'll have the emails that will read into the record.

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They'll be summarized and run into the record and post it onto the city's website tomorrow.

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So with that, I'm going to go ahead and pull up the screen real quick just with the email

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number for those that are watching,

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actually one second, sorry.

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So the email that, while we're listening to the presentation is planning at word-eaten.org,

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if someone wants to know and during that time, or myself, or can you go summarize those and

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read them into record, and again, they'll be posted online tomorrow.

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With that, I'm going to turn it over to Mr. Hart, who is the attorney for the applicant.

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Mr. Hart, we need to get you sworn in, please.

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Mr. Pauzy, could you turn the camera off, please?

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Mr. Chair, but we also need to swear at Beau Browley, like Wyatt, please.

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You can't all raise your hands.

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Do you swear the test of onions, you're brought to fight the truth?

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It's so sad, deal.

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I do.

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Thank you.

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All right, I'm Mr. Harkley, please hear us.

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Well, thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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We're going to start out today with Bob Brownlee from lifestyle communities, the applicant,

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with a brief introduction, and then I'll follow by walking through the updated concept plan.

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If that's fine.

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That'd be great. Thank you.

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Thank you, Tom. Thanks to the Planning Commission.

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I've just several brief opening comments before Tom will watch you through

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more detailed presentation on the plan.

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Just the submission and what we're seeking this evening

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is as indicated with the updated filing

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representing a revised conceptual site plan with the goal

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of gaining feedback on such topics as the revised

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mix of location of uses, the configuration

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of open space and open space amenities,

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and the adjusted connectivity plan and neighborhood engagement

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elements. With this concept plan filing, we are not asking for a voter recommendation at the stage,

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but rather requesting dialogue on the updated conceptual plan. On the presentations specifically,

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Tom Hart will walk you through a detailed description of the changes that we've made.

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What will become obvious during the presentation is that we listened and we have reacted to previous

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comments from both the city and the planning commission.

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On one other changes, we have increased park and open space as well as substantially improving

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the park space connectivity and access.

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So, there without any real guidance from the city or its representatives, we have taken

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the initiative to substantially reduce the residential density by approximately 20% as well

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substantially increasing the commercial space by approximately 40

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persons per sat. My was standing, I was standing to challenge you to

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retail and office environment in today's market.

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With the apartment reduction noted, I would like to take a moment and let you know that if we continue to have a strong belief that a large, residential presence is needed at this site, like most urban and suburban infill sites, residential density is a solution, not the enemy.

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Density creates economies of scale and critical mass vibrancy to support mixed use and stimulate the man for other key uses such as office, commercial restaurant, services and other retail.

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In fact, the success of such a mixed use development as cold for under the conflict relies on such a economy of scale, critical mass and density.

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So what next after this hearing?

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After gaining your feedback and direction on this revised concept plan,

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we will be better prepared to address the more technical aspects

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of the pending application, such as traffic impacts,

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storm water, utility adjustments and architecture.

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Finally, I would just ask that as a reminder,

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where the plan is conceptual, and we really view the purpose tonight as generating dialogue

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on this plan and the changes we made in order to better assess the need for further

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changes and next steps.

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We respectfully ask for the focus and comments on this conceptual plan rather than other topics

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that are not part of this filing.

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Thank you, and with that, I turn it over to Tom from more detail review of our revised concept plan.

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Thanks, Bob.

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And again, thank you, Mr. Chairman, and good evening members of the Planning Commission.

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Thank you for your time and consideration tonight.

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I'm going to walk through, as both said, the revised concept plan and how we acted on the feedback we received from lots of different sources along the way.

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And as both said, we're focused on with this revised concept plan, more site access and engagement with the existing neighborhoods,

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more effective connectivity and use of Tucker Preser, and, you know, as both said,

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we also have a reflection here of reduction in density and increase in office and commercial components.

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When we go to slide six, Reagan, one of the first key goals to our plan changes is to improve access to

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Two in from is just a neighborhood and around the site, and make the site really part of the neighborhood not separate from it.

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And so slide six begins to show you a path and a greenway access.

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We really went to a plan that provides welcoming entries and pavilions and green spaces at all the neighborhood access points.

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So we've got parks, green spaces, and pavilions at evening street on the south at the beginning of Tucker.

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At Lairmore and Longfall on the North, as well as there's a trailhead pavilion, and it gets you to both the use path that Wesley.

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We opened up the site and added public gatherings faces at high street across from city hall with a connection to what is a significant linear green that runs east to west, it's about 0.81 acres.

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It leads to an internal neighborhood green to the west, about a half an acre that includes what we intend is a larger pervillion amenity.

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go to slide A.

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Again, the improved connectivity from neighborhood access and high

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street with this path system crosses both north, north, south, east and west. So the

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blue line are the multi-use path. The yellow lines are more significant. More

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internal paths and sidewalks that lead on to all parts of the site. One clear

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The goal of this revised plan is to drop pedestrians into the site and draw neighbors into

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the site.

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Again, another going back to the gateway green at Lairmer and Longfellow.

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It's about 0.64 acres.

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It connects to the south via the trail system through the whole site all the way to Tucker

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Preserve.

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This is what the purpose to get people moving inside the site and to get Tucker

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preserve, activate it as green space and also allow people to get to high street where we have

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gathering areas, activities and restaurants, go to slide 10.

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Another example of what we're trying to do to engage is high street engagement.

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We made that area more open, more pedestrian, really designed to drive the vibrancy we believe

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than that the site needs, it's more of an up front gathering area without door restaurants

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faces and activity at the street level.

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We're trying to establish that attractive European style outdoor plaza and bistro table

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setting when we look at us like nine real quick to illustrate that.

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We're looking for this, what would be a vibrant oasis along high street that's really part

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people's daily lives, both existing neighbors and future residents, or pedestrian gathering

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is what is emphasized, the pedestrian scale of pedestrian life.

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Another related goal of what we're trying to do on high street is to make it a key anchor

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for what we've heard about and had some discussions about with residents.

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The larger vision of the Worldington Mile concept, that concept in brief as we understand

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is to connect the old warranty tend to Wilson Bridge,

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road, and then loop around to the old tangy trail

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with the multi-use path loop and full of our structures,

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you know, in high street to really create a more pedestrian friendly environment

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to lessen the impact of traffic at the street level.

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And really to stimulate other development opportunities,

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redevelopment opportunities along the way in that key corridor.

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or we think this site could be a key anchor to that concept and really help launch what is

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a greater community vision of this world need to model concept.

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Could this slide eight, please?

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This slide gets into a little more of how we have imagined Tucker Creek to be programmed

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with an internal path system.

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Again, connecting the site to High Street to the existing neighborhood over by evening.

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And then into the site, to the north and the west, for perspective, and you can see it.

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We don't have to go to the slide, but later on, slide 14 shows the Tucker Creek acreage

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in relation to, for one example, the McPherson Commons down in the arena district.

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Tucker Creek's almost double the size of that McPherson Commons.

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And what we're trying to do is really...

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Activate Tucker and make it more usable. And I'll say, you know, the path system we have here is conceptual only, you know, when you're trying to activate a natural area, a wonderful area like Tucker, you'd be very, very careful how you locate paths inside that site, you'd be field locations. So you would be least disruptive as possible to the natural topography and the trees.

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But the point is we want to we believe that Tucker should be activated this way with this type of path system and other amenities.

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This would be an example where we would want and need to collaborate with the city professional staff to figure out exactly how to program Tucker, but this shows the R&T.

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But there is a separate multi-family or a green that's in the multi-family area and open

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space that you can see just to the north of Tucker, in the middle of the site, that

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again, another redundant connection, trying to get people from Tucker into the site,

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onto the other path systems, to the other green spaces, just another example of that connectivity.

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This slide, maybe we should go to slide 14 real quick,

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and I just want to talk briefly about the storm pond that's going to be required based on regulatory requirements to control volume of storm water, but it's on this western edge of Tucker southwestern edge.

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We would propose in our tent that you can't see it great on the scale of a slide, but to naturalize that pond as a water feature would look like a typical 1970 storm pond.

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It would look natural.

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It would be activated with the path system with benches around it.

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We'd have a significant welcome pavilion of right off the street that would kind of bring people in to

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to a nice water feature as they go as a focal point as they engage the Tucker preserve.

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And, you know, of course, a water feature like that with the proper safety features and done in a way that's nice and stays natural.

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There's another way to buffer existing homes from new housing, and that's another goal we have here.

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So overall, on open space, we have fewer open spaces than we did before, but they are more aggregated.

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There are less formal in terms of internal green spaces, but they do function for gathering, for active and passive use, and to get people connected and moving once they're in the site.

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The plan does create redundant pedestrian accesses and allows flow to the interior with the connected

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green spaces.

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We're trying to be welcoming, we're trying to facilitate gathering, and make this part

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of the neighborhood not, and not have it be set apart from the neighborhood, which is some

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of the strong feedback we got, not only from staff and this planning commission, but from

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community members and community meetings we all.

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Our second main strategy and what we're

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what we try to do differently this time is we try to mitigate height better and if you go

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with slide 7 Reagan.

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This slide with its color coding shows you know where the height is located

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in the interior portions of the site and we're talking about mainly the high street sub area.

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With the darkest blue being five story, the middle blue being four to three story and then so forth down in the color coding of blue.

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We placed most height on the site, in the limited portion of the site near high street, near existing offices and the institutional uses there there, where some height already exists.

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In a way from residential neighbors, you know, at the Lairmer, at the Lairmer, at the Lairmer

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at Longville areas, we move activities and height away from that same Longville Lairmer

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corner.

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Again, putting it toward high street closest to the other commercial buildings that are north

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of our site on high street itself.

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We tried to lessen the impact of garage height by wrapping it with residential and also by

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20 trail connections and other green spaces near at the street level where the height is located.

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So people are focused on that level, on those green spaces and not the height above them.

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The five-story residential buildings face each other and are located away from other residential.

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The east-west linear green that runs between the five stories, the two five-story buildings,

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reduces the canyon effect with space along with that green active area on the street level.

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On the north, again, the gate-way green we've located at Longfall, Lairmer,

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and the trails of the pedestrian level are also used to buffer height from existing residential.

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In the middle of the site we have we have graduation from five stories to four near the existing

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institutional of building the office conference center use immediately to the south.

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Generally, heights also mitigated by the engagement of a street level use as light retail,

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like service like office, like restaurants, in that plaza area along the high street along

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high street opening.

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Hyde is just not as noticeable when people are engaged in

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street level activities or in a green space or active

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on the ground.

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We also put planned intense uses like volleyball,

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a pool, restaurants, away from existing residential.

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So they're shielded by buildings.

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And again, close to high street.

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You can see the, this probably not the best slide for this,

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But on between the commercial building at high street and the dark blue residential building

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and the northernmost part of the site, that's the location where we have the pool and the volleyball

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courts and the active outdoor recreation activities.

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Another major change is, as Paul alluded to as the mix of our uses, we have less apartments

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and more commercial office, we're going to slide five.

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The reduced apartment density is 19% at both set from 540 units to 420 units.

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This is the number one comment we received from all of our meetings, and we acted on it.

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I'll see acted on it with a significant reduction.

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Office where footage is increased and proportioned to that apartment unit.

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In terms of office and commercial, the plan is updated from 85,000 square feet to 120,000 square feet for office and commercial.

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We listened to the city staff leadership who requested more economic impact and jobs in and income tax at the site.

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We believe this adjusted plan is in line with the

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compound plan goals about city jobs and income tax needs.

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We also believe this expanded jobs base in this plan will help support the greater

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food, restaurant service and entertainment uses and to build more that 24-7

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live-ward play environment makes you sight that we're trying to accomplish.

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But we do want to be clear that we agree with city staff's focus on that employment and tax

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base goal and the campaign goals and this site needs this exceed as an office and commercial

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hub and support the city's tax base.

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That's what we intend, that's what we want, that's what we agree with.

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We do however see getting there, probably differently than your professional staff.

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And that is, we don't see a site here that automatically

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screams out to the market, class A office.

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We think nothing around this site really supports that notion,

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but best evidence of that is in fact that the site

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hasn't delivered that use in a decade plus.

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The class A office environment and employment environment

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in today's market must be created, must be created.

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This site doesn't exist in a vacuum, as far as what works for suburban and fill and other mixed

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use type development, any city today has to be competitive and flexible to attract

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a fulfill employment tax needs and what are in your account plan as goals.

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This site has to have that critical mass and value to the market of a vibrant, live work

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environment to attract the attention of employers and to accommodate what today's employees want

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and need in terms of living close to work, working at home, and the type of environment that they see.

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Anybody can look at other successful infill projects across central aisle really any major

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city, and it's density that drives urban and suburban infill, that's what attracts employment

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uses today, and it tracks employees.

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In this late densities, what pays the bills?

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It pays for upscale architecture.

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It pays for buying open space and protecting natural areas,

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setting them aside for community use.

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It pays for regional path infrastructure

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and other community facilities.

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Pensities, the key strategy to keep housing pricing

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reasonable today to the market and meet people's goals

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of affordability, diversity, and opportunity in housing, density pays the bills.

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You have to slide 10, please.

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This might be a little hard to see, but what we did is it's a blow up of that high-street

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area, commercial or commercial area.

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What it does it shows you how we're locating the restaurants and other activities at the street

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level LC has, life stock communities has their goat restaurant that opens up on the street

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level to the street plaza, right at high street.

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We would expect to attract other restaurants to create, you know, synergies and addition

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of the goat, other food, coffee, and beverage use of users, and users.

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Other logical end, other end users with the medical office uses, health and wellness services,

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personal care, yoga, fitness, professional services, entertainment.

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And that we tried to show with our color coding and the engagement of high street in the

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area where those uses would be and how they'd be aggregated and really to energize

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that opening from high street into the site.

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Slide 10 also shows our garage locations in the gray, how they're wrapped, and then how

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traffic would access them and the goal here is to keep traffic, you know, accessing from

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high street to keep it out of existing neighborhoods and to keep it out of the interior

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of the site and mainly utilize high street.

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I can walk briefly, briefly, through our character slice and I'll just reference them.

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We don't have to spend much time on this, but slide four, maybe ready, and you can shoot

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over real quick and see how fast you are.

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Again, this shows the high street character in the middle images and town homes and single

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family character on the sides of what look and feel we're trying to create at that street

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level.

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Slide 8.

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This depicts some of the open space character and the trails we try to show some pavilions

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that we think would work, but could actually, and be on the substantial nature.

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Again, we have these located in the site openings to the neighborhood to attract people

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into welcome people into the site and get them on the green systems.

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Slides 9 and 10, again, you know, the concept here is to show that European beastro vibe,

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that vitality of the outdoor restaurant spaces

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in the nice weather, shops, places to meet,

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coffee, wine, beer, small plates for dinner.

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It's a place for after work and after a stroll,

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it's a place to get a glass of wine,

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which that sounds kind of good right now.

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So I'd love to tell you the town home

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and flats, character, and architecture,

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and streetscapes.

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Again, we're at a concept plan, a level that we're asking for feedback on.

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We will be prepared to move forward with details like architecture.

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This company has a very strong track record of pulling off lots of different types of architecture

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for the local need and the vernacular and the history of a community, and so we feel

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That's a strong suit of ours as a company.

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And we will, we will, we will be ready to all of our sleeves.

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We understand Warlington's architecture.

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But this is the kind of the character that we would be shooting for and ready to get

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into detail on after the concept plan.

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It's like 13,

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again, just some of the single family character and street scheme with some

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of the, um, both the family across the street, and then I already talked about it for 14,

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which is the Tucker Creek area.

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Well, I'm going to close my presentation and, um, that, that is an explanation of our update

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concept plan. Again, incorporate many topics that you can see from

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We're asking the planning commission for a collaborative approach and dialogue on the site. This is a very complex site. Obviously, this issue has been around for many years. How to plan

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and finish and develop and build a site. We want dialogue and collaboration at this level with you as a commission.

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and with the community to get to a baseline of site planning that then we can move on and take

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care of the other key issues, the technical issues, the architecture, traffic, stormwater,

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and so forth. That's what about tonight. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, for your consideration.

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And members, we look to answer questions and have dialogue at the behalf of the chair.

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Thank you. All right. Thank you. Before we get into questions and comments from

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and commission members. We had put it out in the public that they could register to the

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speak this evening. We have had 10 people sign up. We're going to go through those in the order

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in which they signed up with City staff and the first three were representatives of Ward.

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So, if Mr. Bates is on the line, if you want to head it off, as the first speaker for

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award, could you please tell them?

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Yes.

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Before we turn it over to Mr. Bates, I did want to remind the board and those listening

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tonight, Mr. Hard alluded to it.

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I know with what they submitted, you know, last year to this year, you know, it's a big

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difference in the amount of materials that were submitted.

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I think one of the reasons why I was to look more broader and scope more at the 50,000-foot level looking down instead of getting into the detail because I think if we're not able to get into the discussion, you know, the broader topic discussions of our residential density and height and housing types,

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are mix of land uses, green space and park land, and these traffic connection comments,

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you know, and bike pedestrian, that it kind of negated even spending the time and money on

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their part and or the city's part of looking at that level of detail and so we get these broader

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topics. So I did want to remind everyone listening that, you know, that's kind of our goal tonight

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is those broader topic discussions before you get into the nitty gritty detail of what you would

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typically see the Architecture Review Board planning commission on ultimately city council

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reviewing. There's much more details needed. But again, you know, it's the broader topic,

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but it, you know, as it stands today, staff's recommendation was for the denial,

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just based on the existing laying news plans that we have before us.

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But I'll turn over to Mr. Bates. I just wanted to not let everyone think that they just

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submitted a minimal amount. It was kind of thoughtfully that way.

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All right. Thank you.

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Mr. Bates will need you to state your name and address for the record and get you sworn in place.

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Sure. Michael Bates 6560 even Street or Think Tenile.

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Do you swear the testimony or broadcast the truth? That's a sad deal.

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Yes, I do.

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Thank you, sir.

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Well, we're actually.

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Actually, Alan Shearer is going to give the word statement here, but I'll go in and give my personal statement as a property owner.

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I'm letting the property.

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How long do you want to do it?

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So my personal statement is as I appreciate

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Lifestyle's presentation.

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I also think the staff at an excellent job of detailing

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the process of mindlessness of the proposal.

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What has me concern, though,

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is there still no evidence, even though the presentation

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by Lifestyle said they had community engagement.

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to my knowledge there's no community engagement. We had one meeting between lifestyle and the

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word folks back on the previous proposal and then since then it's been totally quiet and what

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I wanted to remind a commission specifically and I said this in my email to the commission

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because we have a model now of community engagement. We saw it with Stafford Village, we saw it

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grantee place, you know, we've seen it with the Worthington, uh, sorry, the, uh, the New

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Worthington site, the former holiday insight, and even the high north project. So I guess

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I would expect that, uh, lifestyle would have that same level of community engagement, especially

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considering their, their proposed density plan, which I still think is, is way too dense. So with

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with my personal comments I'll be quiet and turn over to Ellen so she can

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give our group statement. Thank you. All right Ellen could you give your name and

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sadness for the record please so we can get you sworn in. Yes my name is Ellen

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Cher. I'm at 1-1-2 East New England Avenue. Do you swear the testimony you're

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you're about to place the truth, so say I do.

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Yes, I do.

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Thank you.

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So, Worthington Alliance for Responsible Development,

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Ward is entering a statement into the record of tonight's meeting.

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And this is this follows.

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This is the third time, the third time is not a charm.

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So, the third time lifestyle communities has approached the city of Worthington with a high rise.

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high density development plan for UMCH and once again their plan is meeting substantial

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community opposition. The problem is they keep presenting the things people don't want.

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There is little substantive change in what L.C. is now proposing. 600 residential units

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with two persons per unit would mean 1200 new residents or the equivalent of 8.5% of

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to its total population of 13,700 squeezed into the 25 acres that are available for residential

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use. Included are 420 apartments in four and five-story towers. There is no provision for affordable

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housing. It's all at market rate.

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There's precious little green space in that 25 acres and

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But as there is broken up into peace-male segments, most of which are walled off by the

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buildings that would be constructed.

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There is no sense of greater community engagement here.

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This is strictly a private proposal.

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Traffic is always a concern for Worthington residents.

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How will they feel about 1,362 vehicles on the property?

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Board supports responsible commercial development along high street as a revenue generator for the city.

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But Echoing City staff, we are concerned that only the residential and retail portions of the project would get constructed without the commercial office needed in the high street mixed use zone.

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Especially since residential development is always a cost.

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It is now abundantly clear after three tries that LC's business model requires high density with the preponderance of apartments.

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UMCH on the other hand is a beautiful open jam near the center of our city. These two visions of what might be are not compatible.

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Once UMCH is paved over, it's gone for good.

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What's needed now is to reject LC and their plan

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and move to a discussion of how UMCH can become a resource

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for the entire community to enjoy.

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This is LC's third strike and they're out.

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Thank you.

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All right, thank you.

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Mike, do you know who the next speaker for ward will be

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is that going to be bad for us to be somebody else?

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No, it should be bad, yes.

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Okay.

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That, if you can please state your name and address

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for the record, please then we'll get you sworn in.

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I don't know that I saw her join the meeting.

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Yeah, I'm going down the list.

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I don't see her on that she has even joined.

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Mike, is there anybody else from Ward that is going to speak?

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No, not to my knowledge, thank you.

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Okay, next on the list is Maggie Sutton.

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Maggie, if you're there, you could unmute yourself

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and state your name and address for the record, please.

445
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And we'll get you just one in.

446
00:39:09,940 --> 00:39:13,580
Hi, Maggie Sutton, 2-5-0. I gave that to you.

447
00:39:14,460 --> 00:39:16,300
Do you swear the testimony about your applies to the truth?

448
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:17,380
If so, say I do.

449
00:39:18,620 --> 00:39:18,940
I do.

450
00:39:19,340 --> 00:39:20,080
Thank you very much.

451
00:39:21,620 --> 00:39:23,700
Hi, thank you for this opportunity to speak today.

452
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:27,160
This is now the third time that I'll see has come to the city

453
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:30,220
with the proposal, each one no better than the previous.

454
00:39:30,900 --> 00:39:35,480
This new proposal is being met with the same or even more opposition from the residents.

455
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:40,180
They do not want high rise high density housing on this property.

456
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:45,860
The research studies have shown that development projects would density higher than 50 units,

457
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:48,880
having negative impact of crime in the area.

458
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:53,840
Residential units or adult would project projects with less than 50 units,

459
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:57,860
do not have a negative impact in crime on the area.

460
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:00,880
Increased crime is not what any working can

461
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:02,560
raise at once in our city.

462
00:40:03,420 --> 00:40:05,820
Additionally, Elsie's plan was not in conformity

463
00:40:05,820 --> 00:40:08,560
with the comprehensive plan update in 2014.

464
00:40:09,020 --> 00:40:13,420
This plan holds four between six to 14 dwelling units per acre,

465
00:40:13,860 --> 00:40:15,300
which is still too high in my opinion,

466
00:40:15,460 --> 00:40:16,220
but I digress.

467
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:21,160
Elsie's proposal is to put over 37 dwelling units per acre.

468
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:27,280
This comprehensive plan indicated no more than three stories, L.C.'s plan has up to five.

469
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:32,380
And even if L.C. promised to decrease the dwelling units per acre and keep the height to three stories,

470
00:40:33,340 --> 00:40:37,780
as has been done many other times in Worthington with developers, give the developer an inch,

471
00:40:37,940 --> 00:40:39,440
and they come back and ask for a mile.

472
00:40:39,700 --> 00:40:41,600
And they're usually granted that additional length.

473
00:40:42,020 --> 00:40:49,160
I don't trust that L.C. would keep their word and all the guarantee we would be looking at hundreds of apartments that are many stories tall,

474
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:52,060
not once the majority of the residents want.

475
00:40:52,860 --> 00:40:55,100
The history of the land dates back over a hundred years,

476
00:40:55,240 --> 00:40:57,260
when it was purchased by the United Methodist Church

477
00:40:57,260 --> 00:40:59,320
and used to house an orphanage.

478
00:40:59,540 --> 00:41:01,740
Their mission was to strengthen our community

479
00:41:01,740 --> 00:41:04,020
by providing care, nurture, and treatment

480
00:41:04,020 --> 00:41:05,480
for hurting children and families.

481
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:07,780
Here we are, a hundred years later,

482
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:09,920
and L.C. wants to come in and build apartments

483
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:12,320
on this historically significant land

484
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:14,280
that is almost directly in the heart of Wellington.

485
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:16,440
The residents do not want that.

486
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:20,780
just look at the number of yard signs surrounding that property that endorse candidates in this year's

487
00:41:20,780 --> 00:41:26,080
city council election that will not support what LC is proposing. To preserve the history of the land,

488
00:41:26,340 --> 00:41:30,820
it's critical that it continues to strengthen our community by providing for children and families.

489
00:41:31,420 --> 00:41:35,720
I implore you for please deny LC's current proposal. Thank you.

490
00:41:37,340 --> 00:41:39,560
Thank you. Mr. Redanauer,

491
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:44,340
you're still muted.

492
00:41:47,780 --> 00:41:49,500
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

493
00:41:49,500 --> 00:41:52,760
If you can get your name and address for the right answer.

494
00:41:53,780 --> 00:41:57,640
My name is Chet right now and I live at 3.9.8.

495
00:41:57,860 --> 00:42:03,500
Hygate Avenue in Worlington and I'm a proud Worlington resident for 30 years.

496
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:07,080
Do you swear the testimony? You're about to recognize the truth?

497
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:08,560
So say I do.

498
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:09,240
I do.

499
00:42:09,660 --> 00:42:11,720
Thank you.

500
00:42:12,260 --> 00:42:19,220
Well first of all, I want to thank the ARB and MPC for giving me this time and allowing me to speak tonight.

501
00:42:19,220 --> 00:42:21,480
I appreciate the opportunity.

502
00:42:22,900 --> 00:42:27,040
I also want to thank everyone that sits on the ARB and MPC.

503
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:37,800
Committees, both groups, have a very, very difficult but important job to do in your work is very much appreciated by the citizens of Orlington.

504
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:45,040
So, what about the most recent LC site plan for the children's home?

505
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:48,740
I guess I would have to echo the previous.

506
00:42:51,610 --> 00:42:56,990
Any times are we going to listen to LC come back at us with essentially the same old plan.

507
00:42:58,030 --> 00:43:00,510
It's the same song, it's the third verse.

508
00:43:01,090 --> 00:43:05,870
I can almost sing it to you or sing it in my sleep.

509
00:43:08,530 --> 00:43:12,810
There are not significant changes as they profess in their presentation.

510
00:43:12,810 --> 00:43:20,510
And I feel, but by looking at the current LC plans and the one previous that they presented,

511
00:43:21,390 --> 00:43:26,050
I think it's very evident that the LC company is just not listening.

512
00:43:26,730 --> 00:43:29,110
They are not listening to the citizens of Oregon.

513
00:43:30,430 --> 00:43:37,710
The current LC plan still has too high of housing density, and that would be greater than

514
00:43:37,710 --> 00:43:40,850
any other area in the city of Oregon to.

515
00:43:40,850 --> 00:43:48,550
The plan has too many apartments in multiple high-rise buildings that are inappropriate and out-of-character

516
00:43:49,630 --> 00:43:51,770
for Worlington in its central core.

517
00:43:53,070 --> 00:43:58,890
Also, their plan ensures little regard for the vast majority of Worlington's residents' desire

518
00:43:58,890 --> 00:44:04,090
to have significant community green space. They even said in their opening plan that they've reduced

519
00:44:04,090 --> 00:44:09,750
the amount of green space, but they've aggregated. Well, aggregation is fine, but don't take it away.

520
00:44:09,750 --> 00:44:12,430
need to add more green space.

521
00:44:20,130 --> 00:44:24,490
Looking at the LLC site plan, kind of reminds me of the long

522
00:44:24,490 --> 00:44:31,510
ago Wendy's commercial, where they touted and asked the question, where's the beef? I look

523
00:44:31,510 --> 00:44:37,450
at this site plan and say, where's the green space? Okay? There just isn't the green space

524
00:44:38,210 --> 00:44:44,950
that the vast majority of Western residents would like to see. This is a large site. It's

525
00:44:44,950 --> 00:44:52,310
40's plus acre site. It's 25 acres for residential property. Why can't there be more green space?

526
00:44:52,690 --> 00:44:59,970
There can't. It's just that they're not listening and they're ignoring the recommendation and wishes of the vast majority.

527
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:09,160
I ask that the members of the ARB and MPC remember that you are in a position to represent the people in the city of

528
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:18,100
where the ten not the LC company. I don't believe that most people in where the ten are anti-development. I really don't.

529
00:45:19,660 --> 00:45:28,280
However, I believe that the majority of people in where the ten are anti-bad development and the current plan by LC is a bad development plan.

530
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:32,440
The newest LC plan is bad for many reasons.

531
00:45:32,580 --> 00:45:36,500
First of all, it will crowd or already over crowd in schools.

532
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:38,920
We have a lot of reasons for kindergarten.

533
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:45,000
We also have people that have a great amount of difficulty getting their children into care

534
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:51,080
after what will, in addition of hundreds and hundreds of children due to this situation.

535
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:57,120
Also with the current LC plan, there will be increased traffic along Lairmer,

536
00:45:57,120 --> 00:46:03,440
evening and long fellow streets. They will turn these streets into what were once nice quiet

537
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:08,700
residential streets in the high traffic streets. And these are streets where children walk and

538
00:46:08,700 --> 00:46:15,580
cross every day to go to school. And we need to keep that in mind. Also, for any of you out there

539
00:46:15,580 --> 00:46:22,800
that turn, that travel down 161 and have to turn north on even street to go to your home or your business

540
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:29,420
or take your children to a firm school, just remember what all of this increased high-density

541
00:46:29,420 --> 00:46:35,080
housing is going to do to that turn. I myself have had to do that for years, and I right now,

542
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:39,580
sometimes, have to wait through multiple lights to make that turn north on the evening street

543
00:46:39,580 --> 00:46:45,620
from 161 with high-density housing on the children's home site, it will become a nightmare.

544
00:46:47,190 --> 00:46:55,070
Also, the current LC plan, if approved, will cause the people of Wellington to lose a once in

545
00:46:55,070 --> 00:47:02,590
a lifetime opportunity to create reinspace and add to the character in charm that's already

546
00:47:02,590 --> 00:47:04,190
present in order to

547
00:47:06,460 --> 00:47:10,200
work that LC plan, if approved, would be at the expense of the people

548
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:14,620
of Wellington, just so that the LC company can make more money.

549
00:47:14,620 --> 00:47:22,580
And please remember, not one single apartment has to be built on this site for LC to make a significant amount of money.

550
00:47:22,620 --> 00:47:28,000
They will make millions if not one single apartment is built and they know that.

551
00:47:28,380 --> 00:47:34,620
And you have multiple residents in this city that are familiar with large scale, real estate developments, they know that.

552
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:40,500
And I hope the ARV and MPC people also appreciate that.

553
00:47:40,500 --> 00:47:44,920
And last of all, if I was a teacher, I'm not.

554
00:47:45,300 --> 00:47:47,220
But I had some great teachers in my lifetime.

555
00:47:47,940 --> 00:47:50,220
If I were a teacher and the LC company

556
00:47:50,220 --> 00:47:53,040
was one of my students, and I gave them an assignment

557
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:56,960
to come up with a site plan that was appropriate and supported

558
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:59,660
by the majority of people in Worldington,

559
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:02,980
if that was the assignment, I gave the LC student,

560
00:48:02,980 --> 00:48:05,020
I give them an F on this assignment.

561
00:48:06,540 --> 00:48:10,040
And I think I would also recommend that the LC student

562
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:14,920
be evaluated for a learning disability, because I think they have one.

563
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:18,220
The LC plan is bad.

564
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:23,280
Please reject the plan and vote no for LC.

565
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:25,400
Thank you very much for this opportunity.

566
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:28,240
Thank you, sir.

567
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:33,700
Going on down the list, Brad Davis, are you with this this evening?

568
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:38,360
If you're on mute and staging name and address for the record, please,

569
00:48:45,050 --> 00:48:46,950
Going down the list,

570
00:48:52,020 --> 00:49:01,000
Mr. Davis, I don't see you, so we'll pass. Michael Ball, can you please unmute yourself in the station name and address for the record?

571
00:49:02,380 --> 00:49:06,160
Okay, it's Michael Ball, 925 Robbins away.

572
00:49:07,700 --> 00:49:12,020
And do you swear the testimony about to fire the truth?

573
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:12,720
I do.

574
00:49:14,220 --> 00:49:14,980
Thank you, sir.

575
00:49:14,980 --> 00:49:19,080
Well, I just have two points on a question.

576
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:23,300
Again, thank you for this opportunity to speak.

577
00:49:24,720 --> 00:49:29,120
My wife and I support the idea of a mixed use development

578
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:33,240
at this medical insurance home from her site.

579
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:41,020
I think that we understand that in order for commercial development

580
00:49:41,020 --> 00:49:50,320
And to be successful, you need density in order for our shops downtown Worthington, in order

581
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:56,720
for them to be successful, we need shoppers, we need people here, we need people shopping

582
00:49:56,720 --> 00:49:58,400
and going to the restaurants.

583
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:04,580
So for me, density is not a bad word, I think density is a very good thing.

584
00:50:04,580 --> 00:50:11,580
I think it is the engine that will allow this project to happen and will allow working

585
00:50:11,580 --> 00:50:20,180
to continue to move forward because we are able to attract great businesses, great jobs.

586
00:50:20,940 --> 00:50:28,820
On a personal note, just my reaction to the plan that's been shown, Beth Ann and I

587
00:50:28,820 --> 00:50:37,280
And I certainly ready to give up our federal four bedroom home and I would love to have a patio home on this site.

588
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:45,020
So, you know, I would be delighted if all of the single family home housing went away and it all became patio homes

589
00:50:45,660 --> 00:50:53,020
because I know that I won't be the only one in Worthington that wants one of those. So we need a lot of them.

590
00:50:53,020 --> 00:51:02,460
And then finally a question that I have is just, and maybe you can respond to this, maybe you can't.

591
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:09,240
I just, I'm curious as to what the development and planning process should look like.

592
00:51:09,860 --> 00:51:16,080
We have heard a lot of criticism tonight of the plans submitted by L.C.

593
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:25,560
And I'm wondering, you know, what is the collaborative process that the city, you know,

594
00:51:25,720 --> 00:51:32,740
invisions that allows the city's point of view, their goals and aspirations for what's

595
00:51:32,740 --> 00:51:41,300
going to be helpful for the city to be able to be communicated and worked with the developers

596
00:51:41,300 --> 00:51:45,280
so that the developer is moving in the same direction.

597
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:50,380
It seems awfully time-consuming for a developer

598
00:51:50,380 --> 00:51:54,240
to come up with a plan and then attend a meeting

599
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:59,520
and get some input and then go back and read

600
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:02,260
another plan and then come back again.

601
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:07,880
I just, is it possible for there to be a more collaborative

602
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:17,000
work environment where the city is working sort of hand in glove with a proposed developer for this site.

603
00:52:17,140 --> 00:52:24,920
We understand that this site is a potential potentially $200 million investment in our city.

604
00:52:26,420 --> 00:52:28,960
How can we make this?

605
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:31,380
The collaborative process.

606
00:52:35,250 --> 00:52:37,010
Mr. Brown, do you want to answer that question?

607
00:52:37,710 --> 00:52:46,810
Sure, I can start with this. And I know that our council liaison is also on the line also. I think with this one,

608
00:52:47,010 --> 00:52:52,710
the history that I've been around for the eight years here and with the life of this that we felt the discussion

609
00:52:52,710 --> 00:53:02,510
need to play out in public and not behind closed doors that I think there's been a large fear and discussion that

610
00:53:02,510 --> 00:53:09,470
city staff or boarding commissions were meeting with developers and you know trying to offer

611
00:53:09,470 --> 00:53:16,590
some guidance which is always great but that with this proposal or this site being so sensitive

612
00:53:16,590 --> 00:53:22,730
that it needed to play out in public where everyone had the opportunity to hear comments and

613
00:53:22,730 --> 00:53:25,270
offer the guidance as we would move forward.

614
00:53:29,700 --> 00:53:33,080
Make that's the same process procedure that we've

615
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:35,880
on some of the larger developments within the city,

616
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:37,920
working until the last three or four years.

617
00:53:38,900 --> 00:53:40,960
We've really encouraged the developer,

618
00:53:41,380 --> 00:53:44,440
whoever it is to get out and meet with the neighbors,

619
00:53:45,060 --> 00:53:49,440
and get that input so that instead of coming into a meeting tonight,

620
00:53:50,460 --> 00:53:52,880
we don't hear a whole lot of positive from the neighbors.

621
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:55,560
They kind of have those discussions

622
00:53:55,560 --> 00:53:58,660
and they kind of come to some conclusions from the developer

623
00:53:58,660 --> 00:54:01,100
and the neighbors so that when it does come forward

624
00:54:01,100 --> 00:54:06,860
In a public vendor, many not everything is worked out, but we're closer to a solution.

625
00:54:08,700 --> 00:54:14,300
The issue with this one is, this is the third time around with lifestyles.

626
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:21,080
And I'm not sure we're any closer now than when we were in 2015 when we looked at their first plan.

627
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:27,720
And a lot of regards, I like the plan in 2015 better than this.

628
00:54:28,980 --> 00:54:34,860
But I personally agree with you, I do want to see the site develop, but I want to see it develop,

629
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:37,900
sensibly, and sensitive to neighbors and to the city.

630
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:42,620
So it has to be a collaborative process and has to be a public process,

631
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:51,740
but it starts where, whether it were lifestyle or the previous developer to try to come forward with a plan,

632
00:54:51,900 --> 00:54:55,960
they have to meet with the neighbors and have those open discussions.

633
00:54:55,960 --> 00:55:03,080
Do you see that as being a simultaneous process where they're meeting with the community

634
00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:10,740
simultaneously with meetings with city members in order to move the project forward?

635
00:55:10,900 --> 00:55:11,860
It can be.

636
00:55:12,180 --> 00:55:14,160
It has been in the past.

637
00:55:16,240 --> 00:55:22,680
Lifestyle has made a couple of presentations to city staff that I've attended.

638
00:55:23,340 --> 00:55:31,980
It just trying to get some direction, but it comes back to the same thing, we haven't, and this is my personal view.

639
00:55:32,660 --> 00:55:41,500
I haven't seen the progress in the plans that have come forward today based on the comments that, you know,

640
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:50,160
not just I've had, but that other people staff that have had people that in the community that have had with the other two presentations that have come forward.

641
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:58,440
So, it's just been just one last question and that is that it seems to me that a lot of

642
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:08,500
the crux of the matter is a here is what is the ratio of apartments necessary to support

643
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:16,940
the maximum commercial and office space that we can get. Obviously, commercial is sort of

644
00:56:16,940 --> 00:56:24,120
that draws people, but it's not a big money maker for the city. Office buildings are a big money maker for the city.

645
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:31,660
So there is a ratio that says in order to support that amount of office space and commercial,

646
00:56:31,940 --> 00:56:37,040
you need this much apartment building. Whose responsibility is it to come up with that ratio?

647
00:56:37,620 --> 00:56:40,880
Is it lifestyle communities? Do we listen to what they say?

648
00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:43,160
Or is that something that the city knows?

649
00:56:43,160 --> 00:56:46,860
and the city could say to the developer,

650
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:48,800
this is sort of what we're looking for.

651
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:52,860
This is what we think will work because we want the maximum

652
00:56:52,860 --> 00:56:57,280
office space on this site because that's going to generate the revenue

653
00:56:57,280 --> 00:57:01,360
that allows the city to do all the things that the city needs to do.

654
00:57:01,900 --> 00:57:05,380
The tax dollars are certainly extremely important to say,

655
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:10,080
you know, from the payroll taxes for the office space.

656
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:11,660
That's first and foremost.

657
00:57:12,780 --> 00:57:21,320
In terms of number of units that you come up, that in large part is based on the type of investment they want to make.

658
00:57:21,980 --> 00:57:24,840
It isn't our job to help developers make money.

659
00:57:25,180 --> 00:57:31,760
It's our job to make sure that we have a development that comes in that works for them, for the community and for the city.

660
00:57:33,660 --> 00:57:36,720
So, can I point you to a book and give you a formula?

661
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:39,440
Now I'd be crazy if I tried to catch you,

662
00:57:39,560 --> 00:57:40,840
but as well as I too.

663
00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:43,560
It's a given take process.

664
00:57:44,060 --> 00:57:45,980
And that's what we're trying to do.

665
00:57:46,340 --> 00:57:47,920
We just haven't seen a lot of it yet.

666
00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:51,760
I think the one thing I would add to Mr. Colter's comments also

667
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:56,420
is in working with, you know, the applicant over the years.

668
00:57:56,580 --> 00:57:59,040
I mean, we've given guidance on what we would like to see,

669
00:57:59,040 --> 00:58:06,120
space-wise, square footage, and tenant. So we've given that direction. There are definitely studies

670
00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:11,260
that can be done if LC did a study. You're just saying this is what it would cost. We would probably

671
00:58:11,260 --> 00:58:17,380
take that study and then have our consultants review it. Just to make sure we're not just listening

672
00:58:17,380 --> 00:58:23,580
to someone else's information without doing our due diligence. I think it's a balance of all those

673
00:58:23,580 --> 00:58:27,600
different uses and needs that need to be on the site.

674
00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:32,040
I think when you look at the comp plan, it does call for mixed use development, but I think

675
00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:39,260
it's looking at the true mix of uses, but one of the common themes throughout that

676
00:58:39,260 --> 00:58:44,420
comp plan has been with increased density, there needs to be increased open space and that

677
00:58:44,420 --> 00:58:47,600
the residential should be subordinate in a lot of these areas.

678
00:58:47,600 --> 00:59:15,780
So I think it's going to need to be that balance, and those key talking points that I referenced earlier that you need to be drilled down before we get into greater discussion and more details of your stormwater and traffic and architecture that we've got to hit these big things first to even move the pendulum towards a direction to move this forward so it's not another decade from now we're having the same conversation.

679
00:59:16,860 --> 00:59:20,980
Great. Thank you very much. I appreciate your time and your thoughts.

680
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:31,120
All right. Thank you. The next on the list that I have is Paula Ryan. So Paula, if you are, I see a name on there.

681
00:59:31,240 --> 00:59:36,180
So if you could unmute yourself in stage of name and address for the American, we'll get to sworn in.

682
00:59:36,420 --> 00:59:41,340
Good evening. I'm Paula Ryan and I live at 1035, Bluff Way Drive.

683
00:59:42,260 --> 00:59:44,960
Do you swear that testimony, you're brought by the truth?

684
00:59:45,180 --> 00:59:46,160
It's so sad to do.

685
00:59:46,580 --> 00:59:46,920
I do.

686
00:59:47,260 --> 00:59:48,160
Thank you.

687
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:51,360
Just a couple of points.

688
00:59:52,080 --> 00:59:55,560
I support an LC development on this site.

689
00:59:56,080 --> 00:59:58,120
Not this particular plan.

690
00:59:58,900 --> 00:59:59,680
I will remind you.

691
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:10,180
Signed this group that the population of central Ohio is expected to grow by 1 million people by the year 2050.

692
01:00:10,660 --> 01:00:17,880
And that was done in a study by Morpsey. So if you need to see the data, feel free to google that and find it on Morpsey's website.

693
01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:29,960
So, wording to just completed a very extensive visioning process, identified some very key components for how we want to move our city forward.

694
01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:38,140
So, what I would encourage this group to do is understand that our population is going to grow significantly.

695
01:00:38,140 --> 01:00:47,980
How is Worldington going to take advantage of that, capture that, what can that mean to our city in relationship to the visioning plan?

696
01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:58,720
I'm not sure we're thinking enough about the visioning plan in these discussions, and I would encourage everyone to think about those two things, the population growth and the visioning plan.

697
01:01:00,560 --> 01:01:01,420
Secondly,

698
01:01:04,740 --> 01:01:12,000
I would very politely like to understand where Ms. Sutton got her statistics,

699
01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:19,700
because I believe she said that any development over 50 units has an increase in crime.

700
01:01:20,520 --> 01:01:26,820
There are developments being built all over this area that are larger than 50 units.

701
01:01:26,820 --> 01:01:30,380
For example, and I know we don't want to be a bridge park.

702
01:01:30,900 --> 01:01:32,940
Crime has an increase in bridge park.

703
01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:36,680
So I think using crime as a crutch is the wrong solution.

704
01:01:40,430 --> 01:01:44,730
I think the collaborative approach is something we really need here and I understand that there

705
01:01:44,730 --> 01:01:49,690
have been many conversations and I really appreciate the questions that Mick asked in the way

706
01:01:49,690 --> 01:01:53,050
that Mike and Lee responded to those.

707
01:01:53,050 --> 01:01:57,150
I think my question would be to take it a step further.

708
01:01:59,010 --> 01:02:06,110
Is there a way for words to just generally to look at what is density, what does that mean to our community?

709
01:02:06,710 --> 01:02:10,030
Here's a density level that's going to be acceptable for us.

710
01:02:10,230 --> 01:02:13,470
And I don't know how you determine that from A to Z.

711
01:02:13,870 --> 01:02:15,590
What is acceptable here?

712
01:02:17,470 --> 01:02:21,430
Because this isn't, this is not the first time density has been brought up.

713
01:02:21,430 --> 01:02:24,670
and density's going to continue to be brought up as a development issue.

714
01:02:25,190 --> 01:02:27,950
And I think as a community, we need to have the answer to that,

715
01:02:28,210 --> 01:02:31,010
rather than just let developers, in a sense,

716
01:02:31,670 --> 01:02:35,110
keep coming back with a new plan without giving them

717
01:02:35,110 --> 01:02:36,650
very specific directions.

718
01:02:37,110 --> 01:02:39,790
So I don't know if that's a possible thing,

719
01:02:39,870 --> 01:02:42,710
but I would encourage, as well, the group to think about

720
01:02:42,710 --> 01:02:46,230
defining what is good density for Worthington.

721
01:02:46,750 --> 01:02:48,870
And I think that's all I have tonight.

722
01:02:48,970 --> 01:02:49,610
Thank you.

723
01:02:49,610 --> 01:02:57,770
All right. Thank you. Ellen, I know that you gave this statement on behalf of Ward, is there

724
01:02:57,770 --> 01:03:01,730
anything that you would care to add on your own personal thoughts?

725
01:03:07,340 --> 01:03:09,020
You're muted. There you go.

726
01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:19,860
Okay. Well, I sent the city a letter as an individual resident and I'm not in this surrounding.

727
01:03:19,860 --> 01:03:27,880
immediately at surrounding area 2, 10, 33, high street, but what is done there will affect

728
01:03:27,880 --> 01:03:34,200
the entire city and I've seen that throughout my lifetime and this would be probably the

729
01:03:34,200 --> 01:03:43,300
biggest sort of the 270 inner change. This will be the biggest change I would see if

730
01:03:43,300 --> 01:03:49,840
LC were to develop it and I do think it would have a devastating effect in so many ways.

731
01:03:49,840 --> 01:04:18,510
and they have not engaged with the residents and I question, you know, how serious they are because they don't seem to listen and come back, the way they arranged the walkways and, you know, Tucker Creek and we all know that Tucker Creek is something that they can't develop anyway.

732
01:04:19,630 --> 01:04:26,690
So, the arguments that people say that we need the density, we need affordable housing.

733
01:04:27,950 --> 01:04:34,070
Well, I don't have what we need the density as Paul Ryan mentioned.

734
01:04:34,330 --> 01:04:35,270
You know, that's a good question.

735
01:04:35,970 --> 01:04:39,150
What does constitute a density in Worthington?

736
01:04:40,630 --> 01:04:46,710
But we don't need, they're not offering a affordable housing.

737
01:04:47,470 --> 01:04:55,010
They're not offering diversity, they really are, and it's, you know, for, I mean, profit

738
01:04:55,010 --> 01:04:56,470
is their main goal.

739
01:04:56,690 --> 01:05:03,010
They don't have an underlying or even a part of making affordable housing available.

740
01:05:04,110 --> 01:05:12,130
So arguments that will get diversity in affordable housing is untrue, and I think that should

741
01:05:12,130 --> 01:05:12,810
be acknowledged.

742
01:05:15,290 --> 01:05:20,170
So, there's a lot to talk about, but that's all I have to say tonight, and I appreciate

743
01:05:20,170 --> 01:05:21,450
your coming back to me.

744
01:05:21,470 --> 01:05:22,170
Thank you.

745
01:05:22,570 --> 01:05:23,670
Thank you.

746
01:05:24,510 --> 01:05:29,750
The last speaker that we had that had pre-wrested was Mr. Posey.

747
01:05:30,250 --> 01:05:34,230
So if you want to unmute yourself in the stage of name and address for the record, we'll

748
01:05:34,230 --> 01:05:35,790
get you sworn in.

749
01:05:36,970 --> 01:05:37,170
Hi.

750
01:05:37,170 --> 01:05:40,910
My name is Josh Posey, and I live at 238 High Gate Avenue.

751
01:05:42,350 --> 01:05:43,610
Do you swear the testimony?

752
01:05:43,950 --> 01:05:44,850
You're about to surprise the truth?

753
01:05:45,070 --> 01:05:45,990
So say I do.

754
01:05:46,470 --> 01:05:46,790
I did.

755
01:05:47,250 --> 01:05:47,910
Thank you.

756
01:05:50,030 --> 01:05:58,030
So thank you very much to the FBC and ARB for letting me put a few comments out there tonight.

757
01:05:59,350 --> 01:06:02,850
You know, I've been pretty much a lifelong resident in Worthington my whole wife.

758
01:06:03,330 --> 01:06:09,370
And before I moved here at the corner of Beating Street in Highgate, I lived my folks moved to Green Bar

759
01:06:09,370 --> 01:06:16,550
court built the house on Green Bar Court in 1981. So I feel like the UNCH site has been

760
01:06:16,550 --> 01:06:23,570
either in my side yard or front yard my whole life. Just a couple things. You know there's

761
01:06:23,570 --> 01:06:29,390
an old saying that you know with you know reasonable people with reasonable issues can come up

762
01:06:29,390 --> 01:06:36,850
with reasonable solutions and I you know I just think that you know I do think LC does need to

763
01:06:36,850 --> 01:06:41,550
talk to the residents a little bit more, but it also, I think the residents have to be open-minded,

764
01:06:42,650 --> 01:06:49,890
that LC has to be able to, to, to, to what a business as well. And, you know, I just

765
01:06:49,890 --> 01:06:55,970
think that, you know, we, if everybody can get together, but we have to move forward on this one way or

766
01:06:55,970 --> 01:07:03,310
the other. And if that requires a little bit more green space to accommodate the folks, but, but

767
01:07:03,310 --> 01:07:07,730
else he should have the right to try to do something here.

768
01:07:07,870 --> 01:07:10,910
But in order for them to do that, they are going to have to do a better job of reaching

769
01:07:10,910 --> 01:07:15,070
out to the neighbors and to the community to get their input.

770
01:07:16,310 --> 01:07:18,630
Besides that, we need development in Mordington.

771
01:07:19,090 --> 01:07:21,750
We need places, we need additional places to live in Mordington.

772
01:07:22,230 --> 01:07:24,110
We need more tax revenue in Mordington.

773
01:07:24,510 --> 01:07:26,410
We need more jobs in Mordington.

774
01:07:26,410 --> 01:07:29,970
You know, other suburbs around Columbus have been able to make

775
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:54,200
You know, concept work, and I don't think we should be any different from that. You know, not everybody's going to get what they want, but I think there should be a goal of compromise by not only the residents, the city of Wilmington and LC, and with that, that's all I've got. That's my two cents from almost a lifelong resident here at Wilmington. Thank you very much. Thank you.

776
01:07:56,440 --> 01:08:09,480
That covers all of the speakers that had reserved space for the seeding before I turn it over to other members of the Board of the Commission, I wanted to make a couple real quick comments.

777
01:08:10,580 --> 01:08:14,640
And Mr. Brown, this is a dark and certainly correct me if I miss it.

778
01:08:15,020 --> 01:08:18,860
We have had well over 400 email responses.

779
01:08:20,700 --> 01:08:25,540
The vast majority of those probably share some of the comments that you heard this evening.

780
01:08:26,720 --> 01:08:34,380
There are also having people who are in support of developing this site as an excuse.

781
01:08:34,680 --> 01:08:37,540
There's also people who want to believe it as a park.

782
01:08:38,160 --> 01:08:40,100
So it's kind of all over the place.

783
01:08:40,820 --> 01:08:45,940
But I just wanted to let everybody know that the members of the Board and the Commission do need the emails.

784
01:08:45,940 --> 01:08:50,480
we do take those into consideration with our thoughts and and how that

785
01:08:50,480 --> 01:08:53,240
initiate the other comments that you may hear later on.

786
01:08:56,000 --> 01:09:01,660
Can we have anybody email us in since the beginning of the meeting this evening?

787
01:09:04,780 --> 01:09:06,560
I think we did get one email in.

788
01:09:07,180 --> 01:09:12,120
We have a couple of emails. Also, before we do that, Mr. Colt's very

789
01:09:12,120 --> 01:09:19,960
Mr. Wright now has his hand raised so he may want to speak again and there are two other

790
01:09:19,960 --> 01:09:26,420
colors on the people that are part of this meeting that I wondered if they wanted to speak

791
01:09:26,420 --> 01:09:32,760
Mr. Sherman and Mrs. Fair. So we'll just give them a quick opportunity.

792
01:09:40,980 --> 01:09:50,840
I just want to say we'd also like to comment on some things that I consider misinformation and you know, I know you're having residents now comment twice.

793
01:09:51,320 --> 01:09:55,020
We would like to chance to comment and rebut some of the things that have been said.

794
01:09:55,160 --> 01:09:56,380
You will say a lot too.

795
01:09:57,340 --> 01:09:57,780
Yeah.

796
01:09:58,120 --> 01:09:59,500
We won't forget you.

797
01:10:00,980 --> 01:10:01,220
All right.

798
01:10:01,340 --> 01:10:01,820
Mr. Redner.

799
01:10:01,820 --> 01:10:05,820
Yeah, thank you for giving me additional time.

800
01:10:06,520 --> 01:10:09,220
I would just like to have a question in maybe a statement.

801
01:10:10,060 --> 01:10:14,100
One is, is there a limit on the number of times that LC can come back

802
01:10:14,100 --> 01:10:20,900
at us at the city with what is essentially the same plan that they have all the long?

803
01:10:21,040 --> 01:10:25,960
Is there a limit to the number of times LC or any body can come back to the city?

804
01:10:27,060 --> 01:10:31,460
Anyone has the right to if they want to change something on their property or go through a process?

805
01:10:31,460 --> 01:10:36,320
They can come through, make application, go through the boards and commissions.

806
01:10:37,120 --> 01:10:42,780
The board has the opportunity to approve, approve modifications, table, or deny applications.

807
01:10:43,340 --> 01:10:45,640
And there's a waiting period if it was denied to come back.

808
01:10:46,660 --> 01:10:48,800
But it could be a groundhog day.

809
01:10:49,360 --> 01:10:53,300
There's an unlimited number of times that you can be approached by the same company.

810
01:10:54,140 --> 01:10:54,620
Yes, sir.

811
01:10:54,620 --> 01:10:59,340
Okay, the other thing is just a simple statement, you know, when you listen to L.C. and you

812
01:10:59,340 --> 01:11:04,240
listen to some of these other speakers, they tout how wonderful the developments are in

813
01:11:04,240 --> 01:11:09,340
communities around Worthington such as Bridge Park and Dublin, Arizona for Arlington,

814
01:11:10,440 --> 01:11:16,820
Grand U, actually, well, you know, I've lived here for 30 years, I'm very proud of Worthington

815
01:11:16,820 --> 01:11:23,080
and the people here in the city here and I love this community and what I would say to people that

816
01:11:23,080 --> 01:11:25,880
think that the developments in Dublin and upper arms and

817
01:11:25,880 --> 01:11:27,480
grand deal back there are so wonderful.

818
01:11:28,140 --> 01:11:31,340
Go ahead and move to Dublin and upper arm

819
01:11:31,340 --> 01:11:33,620
lengthen and bexley and grand view.

820
01:11:34,320 --> 01:11:37,800
Leave Worthington and go to where you want to go because

821
01:11:37,800 --> 01:11:42,860
there are people practically scratching other people's eyes

822
01:11:42,860 --> 01:11:44,800
out to get into Worthington.

823
01:11:45,040 --> 01:11:48,000
Worthington doesn't have any problem attracting residents.

824
01:11:48,360 --> 01:11:50,260
You can ask any realtor in this city.

825
01:11:50,260 --> 01:11:56,760
houses when they go on the market are sold before the sign goes up in the yard and I

826
01:11:56,760 --> 01:12:00,840
think everybody here knows that. So if we have if we have such a city if we

827
01:12:00,840 --> 01:12:06,240
have a city that's that needs this development to be desirable why are all these

828
01:12:06,240 --> 01:12:11,900
people trying to claw and fight their way into our city right now without this

829
01:12:11,900 --> 01:12:15,720
development. I think that's something people should think about. We already have a

830
01:12:15,720 --> 01:12:21,640
city. We don't need LC's development to be a great city. We exist right now and we're a

831
01:12:21,640 --> 01:12:28,320
great place to live. Thank you very much. All right thank you Mr. Sherman I understand that

832
01:12:28,320 --> 01:12:29,660
you may be on the line

833
01:12:32,470 --> 01:12:37,290
if you are. Okay if you could you're on mute it obviously if you can

834
01:12:37,290 --> 01:12:42,090
state your name and address for the record please we'll get you sworn in. My name is Joe Sherman

835
01:12:42,090 --> 01:12:47,170
I reside at 6603 McBernie Place and here in Wellington.

836
01:12:48,050 --> 01:12:50,230
Joe, do you swear the testimony you're brought to fight the truth?

837
01:12:50,510 --> 01:12:51,150
So sad deal.

838
01:12:51,770 --> 01:12:52,110
I do.

839
01:12:52,510 --> 01:12:52,930
Thank you, sir.

840
01:12:54,050 --> 01:12:54,430
Thank you.

841
01:12:54,910 --> 01:12:55,970
I appreciate this opportunity.

842
01:12:56,090 --> 01:12:58,270
I wasn't prepared to address.

843
01:12:58,510 --> 01:13:01,710
I did send an email to the ARBNPC.

844
01:13:02,750 --> 01:13:06,950
And I stated it very, very simply in the beginning that I come to you as a resident.

845
01:13:06,950 --> 01:13:13,170
I also made reference that I also had the pleasure and the privilege to serve on the vision

846
01:13:13,170 --> 01:13:13,830
and committee.

847
01:13:14,910 --> 01:13:20,930
And I did read through the proposal and the concept plan for the future and as I stated

848
01:13:20,930 --> 01:13:26,830
I was very disappointed and frankly underwhelmed because this is nothing more than a rehash

849
01:13:26,830 --> 01:13:30,030
of what LC presented in 2015 and 2020.

850
01:13:31,170 --> 01:13:35,990
I really feel strongly as a resident that livestock communities should respect and respond

851
01:13:35,990 --> 01:13:42,390
to our needs as a city, not proposed a development with a four and five-story structures and

852
01:13:42,390 --> 01:13:44,230
an additional 600 residences.

853
01:13:45,190 --> 01:13:50,550
The long-term financial consequences of a high-density residential development is not an

854
01:13:50,550 --> 01:13:52,890
economic boom to the city in the long-term.

855
01:13:53,710 --> 01:13:59,870
This UMCH site should serve the long-term interests of the residents and not the short-term

856
01:13:59,870 --> 01:14:06,530
interest of a developer. LCS previous two submissions were soundly rejected by the

857
01:14:06,530 --> 01:14:12,910
community in 2015 at the WEC and in 2021 by a way of 300 plus residents speaking

858
01:14:12,910 --> 01:14:18,890
out in opposition and from my records only for in favor. Now I expect additional

859
01:14:18,890 --> 01:14:23,910
opposition will follow and response to this latest submission. Personally I feel that

860
01:14:23,910 --> 01:14:29,010
LCS largely ignored that our city needs to generate income tax revenue from

861
01:14:29,010 --> 01:14:35,390
multi-use development of the U.M.C.H. site, in the ten acres of land, along high street, already

862
01:14:35,390 --> 01:14:40,590
zoned for this commercial use. But most fundamentally, their business model is simply

863
01:14:40,590 --> 01:14:46,130
inflexible and incompatible with where the tens of needs and values. They simply are ignoring

864
01:14:46,130 --> 01:14:52,990
what the residents have said, what they said, what we want and expect. In my humble opinion,

865
01:14:53,210 --> 01:14:57,610
they are not at least been interested in where the ten is the community, but merely as a place

866
01:14:57,610 --> 01:14:58,370
the bulldobs.

867
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:09,040
Literally, and figuratively, a lifestyle development into place. I also made mention in my email that as a refresher, I'd

868
01:15:09,040 --> 01:15:14,800
like to share with you one of the seven vision statements from the vision-worthington project that was brought up earlier.

869
01:15:15,620 --> 01:15:28,020
And that is simply the worthy ten's leadership is open, forward-thinking, and collaborative. As a community, we said that our elected leaders are known for listening and responding to the voice of its residents,

870
01:15:28,020 --> 01:15:31,720
and carefully considering actions that affect our community.

871
01:15:32,540 --> 01:15:38,400
All the while striving for consensus building by encouraging and modeling respectful public dialogue

872
01:15:38,400 --> 01:15:41,300
and demonstrating benefits for the common good

873
01:15:41,600 --> 01:15:45,120
and then making those hard decisions to further progress.

874
01:15:46,360 --> 01:15:51,200
With this in mind, I, as a resident, would ask you to explicitly deny

875
01:15:51,200 --> 01:15:56,740
as opposed to tabling the livestock communities proposal for UMCH

876
01:15:56,740 --> 01:16:02,360
And thereby creating the context where a city acquisition may become a possibility.

877
01:16:04,960 --> 01:16:10,060
I feel that our future truly rests in each other, and I think that the public engagement

878
01:16:10,060 --> 01:16:14,960
and collaboration could lead to a different kind of development, generating a lot of public

879
01:16:14,960 --> 01:16:20,520
spirit, and who knows this could possibly generate the cornerstone for the next phase

880
01:16:20,520 --> 01:16:23,560
of that vision and committee, the next vision and committee's work.

881
01:16:23,560 --> 01:16:30,720
I thank you for your consideration, and I wish best wishes on ARB NPC's decision.

882
01:16:31,620 --> 01:16:32,420
Thank you.

883
01:16:32,960 --> 01:16:33,680
Thank you, sir.

884
01:16:35,240 --> 01:16:38,820
Ms. Battalion said there was another person who was on the line.

885
01:16:40,120 --> 01:16:44,640
I didn't have Mrs. Fair was planning to speak, but she is part of the meeting.

886
01:16:45,880 --> 01:16:50,360
Linda, I just got no dismic dates. I just got no from Pamela that she's driving.

887
01:16:50,420 --> 01:16:52,600
She's not able to speak at the same time.

888
01:16:52,600 --> 01:16:54,800
So thank you so much.

889
01:16:55,000 --> 01:16:55,220
All right.

890
01:16:55,340 --> 01:16:56,600
Thank you.

891
01:16:58,720 --> 01:17:01,520
Nobody else has called in to speak.

892
01:17:02,080 --> 01:17:03,980
I'll turn it over to board members.

893
01:17:04,460 --> 01:17:05,300
Actually, Mr. Colter.

894
01:17:05,940 --> 01:17:06,300
Yeah.

895
01:17:06,300 --> 01:17:07,700
I'm going to jump in real quick.

896
01:17:07,820 --> 01:17:10,140
I did want to let you know, as of 6 o'clock tonight,

897
01:17:10,340 --> 01:17:16,280
we did receive 437 emails related to this project.

898
01:17:16,300 --> 01:17:20,500
As you mentioned, there are all over the gamut from one spectrum to the next.

899
01:17:21,200 --> 01:17:26,660
but we did receive the several emails while we were in the meeting and if I can go ahead

900
01:17:26,660 --> 01:17:32,520
just read those in to record. And again, these are going to be posted on the city's website

901
01:17:32,520 --> 01:17:40,500
tomorrow and we're summarizing them. The first one is from John Burns at 161 Tucker Drive.

902
01:17:42,340 --> 01:17:51,620
Basically, against the proposal for high-density housing on the site traffic, green space.

903
01:17:54,360 --> 01:17:56,440
So just wanted to let you know that.

904
01:17:57,040 --> 01:18:04,760
Again, the next one we received is from Sandra Boenstein, who lives at 495 Tucker Drive.

905
01:18:05,980 --> 01:18:09,800
Again, it's asking that the LC proposal be rejected.

906
01:18:11,040 --> 01:18:17,380
and again related to higher densities and green space and community support.

907
01:18:18,440 --> 01:18:21,780
So we do have that one and then we received,

908
01:18:23,830 --> 01:18:25,650
sorry,

909
01:18:31,140 --> 01:18:32,560
another email from

910
01:18:32,560 --> 01:18:42,840
a Fred Gabori, I apologize if I put your laugh, asking that, you know, vote against

911
01:18:42,840 --> 01:18:54,340
the current proposal for the MCH site, again, stating density, green space and kind of a copy

912
01:18:54,340 --> 01:19:01,580
count of the apartments. So we did receive those three emails while we were in our discussion.

913
01:19:03,420 --> 01:19:08,720
All right. Thank you. And those will be posted on the website tomorrow. All right. And I'm sure

914
01:19:08,720 --> 01:19:10,880
that will be the end of that.

915
01:19:10,900 --> 01:19:12,860
The egos that the city receives.

916
01:19:14,200 --> 01:19:16,220
So we'll open it up to board members.

917
01:19:16,880 --> 01:19:17,400
Mr. Chairman?

918
01:19:19,280 --> 01:19:20,580
May I, may I, it's time pardon.

919
01:19:20,620 --> 01:19:23,180
May I respond briefly first?

920
01:19:24,420 --> 01:19:24,640
Please.

921
01:19:26,060 --> 01:19:27,820
Just a couple of clarifications.

922
01:19:28,920 --> 01:19:32,020
First, the 2015 was never an official application.

923
01:19:32,440 --> 01:19:33,280
It was never filed.

924
01:19:33,360 --> 01:19:36,040
Never went through any official public hearing process.

925
01:19:36,040 --> 01:19:41,440
either, you know, with you as a board or planning commission or the city council, our last

926
01:19:41,440 --> 01:19:47,340
application, our only application on this so far was filed, last October, about a year ago,

927
01:19:47,860 --> 01:19:55,420
our last hearing on this case was this past January. And so, you know, we, it's this three strikes

928
01:19:55,420 --> 01:20:00,540
in your out thing, which by the way, that's not exactly, you know, constitutional law as it applies

929
01:20:00,540 --> 01:20:04,380
to land use three strikes in your out, but I digress.

930
01:20:06,360 --> 01:20:12,100
We were, we asked after January after we got your feedback, after we did a tremendous amount

931
01:20:12,100 --> 01:20:15,120
of community outreach in lots of different ways.

932
01:20:15,760 --> 01:20:22,780
We asked for specific feedback with the city professionals and with a couple of key city leaders,

933
01:20:22,980 --> 01:20:27,780
and we were told, Mr. Chairman, as you recall, you've got to go to planning commission

934
01:20:27,780 --> 01:20:28,360
for that.

935
01:20:28,360 --> 01:20:32,360
We're not gonna, we don't have the political will or the political capital to meet with you

936
01:20:32,360 --> 01:20:36,300
as Lee said behind course the orders and interact with you.

937
01:20:36,620 --> 01:20:38,420
We were told to go to planning commission.

938
01:20:39,260 --> 01:20:45,660
This is the first opportunity we've had for actual dialogue at planning commission to listen

939
01:20:45,660 --> 01:20:49,680
and to talk with and interact with planning commission members.

940
01:20:49,860 --> 01:20:52,480
Because that's what we were told we had to do.

941
01:20:52,480 --> 01:21:01,020
And so now the residents have commented and we hear the smootemen of Denayam, shut them down,

942
01:21:01,320 --> 01:21:06,600
three strikes around, that's a bunch of who we, that those are the facts, that's not reality.

943
01:21:07,060 --> 01:21:15,560
We're here, we did adjust our plan, we have 20% less residential in a lot more office.

944
01:21:15,560 --> 01:21:24,440
This site today, the site plan we turn into has 25% open space on 37 acres, 25% open space.

945
01:21:24,960 --> 01:21:31,100
To put that perspective, I mean there are some urban single-family codes that don't require 25% open space.

946
01:21:31,220 --> 01:21:32,540
And this is an incomplete site.

947
01:21:33,440 --> 01:21:40,660
And so it's just long, and it would be, I think, legally inappropriate to tell us,

948
01:21:40,880 --> 01:21:44,240
we're going to shut you down at a concept plan hearing,

949
01:21:44,240 --> 01:21:53,400
And we're going to recommend to dial before we've had the dialogue before we've had a chance to discuss what we have done how we haven't proved the site.

950
01:21:53,820 --> 01:22:04,460
And I'll say that the staff plan of the staff comment letter, the staff report, is full of examples of where we haven't proved the site.

951
01:22:04,840 --> 01:22:08,800
And staff made that clear on the record. They don't support everything, obviously.

952
01:22:08,800 --> 01:22:15,220
But the staff important has many examples of how we've improved the site and I did those in my presentation.

953
01:22:16,420 --> 01:22:21,280
In fact, your comprehensive plan for the site says it can have up to five stories.

954
01:22:22,100 --> 01:22:25,520
And it says that this is a site that should support density.

955
01:22:25,880 --> 01:22:28,620
It uses the word density and the site being dense.

956
01:22:29,280 --> 01:22:29,960
And, you know,

957
01:22:30,000 --> 01:22:38,640
Again, we stand by the fact that the best proof and the best evidence that residential has to drive modern mixed-use developments

958
01:22:38,640 --> 01:22:49,260
and delivery that tax and employment not that the city wants and needs. The best evidence of that are the projects all around central aisle.

959
01:22:49,460 --> 01:22:58,700
We're the ones who's not in a vacuum away from that market reality. I'm sorry for jumping in. I've normally would never do such a thing in front of planning commission numbers.

960
01:22:58,700 --> 01:23:04,820
But there was enough misinformation and lack of factual information that was provided.

961
01:23:05,080 --> 01:23:07,440
I felt like I had to do that. I apologize, Mr. Chairman.

962
01:23:08,160 --> 01:23:13,520
Now, that's fine. I will take one exception of what you said that when we last met,

963
01:23:13,960 --> 01:23:19,280
you had been encouraged to go out and specifically talk to the neighbor, who grows specifically

964
01:23:19,280 --> 01:23:24,780
more. And when I check with forward two weeks ago, nobody had contacted them.

965
01:23:27,990 --> 01:23:34,650
I mean, I've done a lot of neighborhood outreach of my life, and I'm in a lot of jurisdictions.

966
01:23:36,490 --> 01:23:40,410
We had met with them previously, we had a lot of dialogue with them.

967
01:23:41,270 --> 01:23:45,730
We felt like we acted on some of the things they asked us to do.

968
01:23:46,310 --> 01:23:48,110
They don't see it that way at all.

969
01:23:48,110 --> 01:23:58,890
There's a time when, you know, being told that you should just go away and we don't want to deal with you at all is not productive anymore, Mr. Chairman.

970
01:23:59,050 --> 01:23:59,930
It's not productive.

971
01:24:01,130 --> 01:24:06,170
So, you know, I, you can take that as, as I say to them.

972
01:24:07,650 --> 01:24:11,630
There are people who want you to go away. I'm not one of those people.

973
01:24:11,630 --> 01:24:17,230
I think if you look at all of the individual board members as a whole or as individuals,

974
01:24:17,690 --> 01:24:21,410
we want to see that property develop that we want to see it develop sensibly.

975
01:24:22,030 --> 01:24:24,690
So that's what we're trying to get.

976
01:24:25,290 --> 01:24:26,030
Yes, sir.

977
01:24:26,390 --> 01:24:33,650
So I don't know that there's an underlying move to have lifestyle going by anybody on the board.

978
01:24:34,470 --> 01:24:38,490
I've not heard it from anybody either individually or as a whole.

979
01:24:38,490 --> 01:24:45,670
we just need to come to some better conclusions or better understanding of what's going to happen.

980
01:24:46,010 --> 01:24:49,550
So that's part of what this process is all about.

981
01:24:50,830 --> 01:24:52,630
So thank you with that.

982
01:24:57,220 --> 01:25:04,140
I believe I have read almost every letter or email that has been sent to the city.

983
01:25:04,140 --> 01:25:17,560
I feel at the strong objection over lifestyles that they're not listening to what the residents are saying has been the number one thing that has come out of here.

984
01:25:18,760 --> 01:25:30,620
And obviously all of us has been said tonight, it's all been said in the email that we're talking about the density, we're talking about the green space and traffic control.

985
01:25:30,620 --> 01:25:45,920
It's mostly talking about the apartments and I think that our residents are not comfortable with the amount of apartments that's coming into this area.

986
01:25:46,640 --> 01:25:53,680
And while we can't control who buys the land and our buildings, we can help control the use.

987
01:25:53,680 --> 01:26:14,800
So I think that as a realtor that has lived in Wilmington for over 40 years, this is an amazing piece of land, and I hope that the honors will come to some agreement with the residents with the city.

988
01:26:14,800 --> 01:26:22,860
I think Mr. Ball made great comments because what does it take to make this sustainable?

989
01:26:24,460 --> 01:26:29,760
But I personally object to the amount of apartments that are coming in here.

990
01:26:30,220 --> 01:26:36,900
We do need housing and people, as Mr. Ridd now are said, they are clawing in to get into

991
01:26:36,900 --> 01:26:38,760
where they tend and want to find housing.

992
01:26:38,760 --> 01:26:47,180
We do not have enough housing here to represent all phases of our life's lifespan.

993
01:26:48,240 --> 01:26:52,180
So I hope that we can come to a conclusion.

994
01:26:52,340 --> 01:27:00,560
I'm not against this project, but I believe that we have a long way to go to figure out what's happening.

995
01:27:01,240 --> 01:27:02,880
And that's going to where I am with it right now.

996
01:27:04,740 --> 01:27:06,800
I'd like to speak next.

997
01:27:12,920 --> 01:27:15,700
Can you hear me?

998
01:27:15,760 --> 01:27:16,500
Okay, Mike.

999
01:27:16,860 --> 01:27:17,880
This is Tom Rice.

1000
01:27:20,220 --> 01:27:21,720
There's a lot set tonight.

1001
01:27:22,020 --> 01:27:23,180
We've seen a lot of emails.

1002
01:27:23,960 --> 01:27:24,860
There's been a lot of discussion.

1003
01:27:25,060 --> 01:27:26,920
I've been on the board now for seven years,

1004
01:27:27,100 --> 01:27:29,680
and we've been talking about it for seven years.

1005
01:27:31,200 --> 01:27:32,500
You know, we're thinking it's landlock.

1006
01:27:32,700 --> 01:27:35,120
We're not like that land or failure,

1007
01:27:35,580 --> 01:27:37,200
or the western rail, or Fickerton,

1008
01:27:37,820 --> 01:27:38,680
we're landlock.

1009
01:27:40,240 --> 01:27:40,680
So,

1010
01:27:40,680 --> 01:27:42,860
how we develop this is important.

1011
01:27:44,080 --> 01:27:47,680
And I don't think it's necessary that we have

1012
01:27:49,560 --> 01:27:52,920
against kind of build out just because

1013
01:27:52,920 --> 01:27:55,160
the population and the greater metropolitan areas

1014
01:27:55,160 --> 01:27:57,180
going to grow by a million people by 2025.

1015
01:27:57,480 --> 01:27:59,640
I don't think we have to have all million people

1016
01:27:59,640 --> 01:28:01,680
and so they're willing to.

1017
01:28:03,040 --> 01:28:06,280
But we need to think about is that we have a responsible

1018
01:28:06,280 --> 01:28:07,400
development here.

1019
01:28:08,300 --> 01:28:17,140
And that we have great services in Oregon, and the cost of services is going to go up over time.

1020
01:28:17,600 --> 01:28:19,400
We have great schools in London.

1021
01:28:20,000 --> 01:28:21,960
The cost of schools is going to go up over time.

1022
01:28:22,120 --> 01:28:27,440
So both of those elements are recipients of the development of this site.

1023
01:28:28,020 --> 01:28:31,140
So I think we need to think about that and keep that in perspective.

1024
01:28:31,760 --> 01:28:34,660
We can't make this a big park.

1025
01:28:34,660 --> 01:28:39,680
We can't have responsible green space in pathways and so forth.

1026
01:28:40,200 --> 01:28:42,780
That's all a part of good planning.

1027
01:28:45,130 --> 01:28:49,430
I think residential housing is important.

1028
01:28:50,090 --> 01:28:52,650
I think commercial development along high street is important.

1029
01:28:53,790 --> 01:29:00,970
I think there's gotta be a compromise here that generates revenue for our schools,

1030
01:29:01,610 --> 01:29:03,250
which is residential development.

1031
01:29:03,250 --> 01:29:09,910
and revenue for our city so we can continue to get services we have.

1032
01:29:10,370 --> 01:29:13,210
This property cannot be a big green park.

1033
01:29:13,610 --> 01:29:18,630
That's absolutely insane, but it can be developed responsibly.

1034
01:29:19,610 --> 01:29:24,470
I think life styles, if they listen to what they've heard tonight

1035
01:29:24,470 --> 01:29:30,790
and for my fellow board members, and work with the city planner, our city manager,

1036
01:29:30,790 --> 01:29:35,070
are city developer or city planner.

1037
01:29:37,050 --> 01:29:38,990
We can come to a compromise.

1038
01:29:40,230 --> 01:29:46,730
I don't think five-story apartment components is a good scale for this area.

1039
01:29:47,210 --> 01:29:53,770
You can talk about that in the perimeter of other suburbs,

1040
01:29:54,230 --> 01:29:57,130
like Dublin, the Bridge Park, that all works fine here,

1041
01:29:57,190 --> 01:29:59,970
but this is almost in our historic.

1042
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:14,240
So, and it's a buddy, a lot of our residents who are all single family homes, and I can understand that the people not wanting five-store buildings looking down on their properties.

1043
01:30:14,240 --> 01:30:22,500
And so I think the density has to be controlled with some reasonable height and I think

1044
01:30:22,500 --> 01:30:26,800
the multi-use along high street is a requirement.

1045
01:30:28,180 --> 01:30:33,980
I think their sensitivity, they brought to the table the night was increased green space

1046
01:30:33,980 --> 01:30:40,000
and through space the site is a step in the right direction.

1047
01:30:40,660 --> 01:30:44,400
Whatever we do here, there's going to be more traffic.

1048
01:30:45,000 --> 01:30:47,780
There's no doubt about it, and there's going to be

1049
01:30:47,780 --> 01:30:49,780
more wait times than some traffic lights.

1050
01:30:50,300 --> 01:30:55,320
But that's a part of progress, and that's part of what we're going to have to kind of put up with when the sites develop.

1051
01:30:56,020 --> 01:31:08,760
So I talked too long here, but I think there's got to be some behind-the-scenes conversations that it can be made probably that can come to a reasonable solution here.

1052
01:31:09,400 --> 01:31:24,480
And in lifestyles, it's got to realize that they might not be able to make as much money as they might want to turn around on this project and still come away with some money in their pockets.

1053
01:31:24,640 --> 01:31:26,880
And we all know developers are in this to make some money.

1054
01:31:27,040 --> 01:31:28,340
I mean, that's what business is about.

1055
01:31:29,240 --> 01:31:33,880
So it was have gone on too far too long here, but that's my perspective.

1056
01:31:34,640 --> 01:31:35,800
Thank you.

1057
01:31:36,980 --> 01:31:37,020
Next.

1058
01:31:38,380 --> 01:31:39,520
This is Dave Faust.

1059
01:31:39,680 --> 01:31:43,800
I'd like to expand a little bit on something that Tom just said.

1060
01:31:43,900 --> 01:31:50,140
And that's about where women can fit in with the entire urban metropolitan central

1061
01:31:50,140 --> 01:31:51,100
Ohio area.

1062
01:31:52,420 --> 01:31:59,100
And one of the charges that we've been given by City Council and the community and one

1063
01:31:59,100 --> 01:32:03,640
of the things that we've looked at very clearly or tried to look at over the years

1064
01:32:03,640 --> 01:32:09,280
is how do we define where they do? What's our image? What's our look?

1065
01:32:12,220 --> 01:32:14,140
And the thing we keep coming

1066
01:32:14,140 --> 01:32:21,140
back to and working with city staff, the residents in city council, is that ideally what makes

1067
01:32:21,140 --> 01:32:29,940
us unique is our village green, some of our older smaller buildings and what we've described is

1068
01:32:29,940 --> 01:32:33,280
that unique New England village-like character of the community.

1069
01:32:34,440 --> 01:32:35,960
That's what defines Worthington.

1070
01:32:35,960 --> 01:32:40,320
That's what makes us different from the other surrounding suburbs

1071
01:32:40,320 --> 01:32:41,540
and areas in Columbus.

1072
01:32:42,220 --> 01:32:44,600
And I think the development that's proposed here

1073
01:32:44,600 --> 01:32:49,820
would be a great defining feature if it were in the short North.

1074
01:32:50,380 --> 01:32:54,600
I think it would work very well in parts of Arlington and Grand

1075
01:32:54,600 --> 01:32:54,960
View.

1076
01:32:55,460 --> 01:32:58,620
But there are other residential areas in Arlington and Grand View,

1077
01:32:58,620 --> 01:33:04,340
where this would be at odds with the luck and the feel of those communities.

1078
01:33:05,500 --> 01:33:08,980
And I kind of think that's what we're up against here.

1079
01:33:10,460 --> 01:33:15,880
So what needs to happen, I believe, and I'm not sure it can happen with this developer

1080
01:33:15,880 --> 01:33:23,160
or any developer, is something needs to come back before us that is so clearly based on

1081
01:33:23,160 --> 01:33:30,360
scale, proportion, living conditions that are characteristic of a New England type environment

1082
01:33:30,360 --> 01:33:36,900
of a village environment, that it has a wild factor, that everybody in the community

1083
01:33:36,900 --> 01:33:42,920
including this board, and that the majority of the residents of vast majority of their

1084
01:33:42,920 --> 01:33:46,780
are going, wow, this is wonderful, this is what we want to see.

1085
01:33:47,420 --> 01:33:49,780
And that's the hell of a challenge and hell of a charge.

1086
01:33:49,780 --> 01:33:55,100
And like I said, I don't know if there are very many developers who would want to jump in and do that.

1087
01:33:55,660 --> 01:34:05,040
But if you want to get my involvement and my support for it, and I think the support of the vast majority of the community,

1088
01:34:05,540 --> 01:34:07,360
that's what it's going to have to come back to.

1089
01:34:08,220 --> 01:34:14,180
We've also, I would point out, seen some changes in land use ideas over the years.

1090
01:34:14,180 --> 01:34:19,040
we're going through that right now and he's supposed to be a drug where the residents 10 years

1091
01:34:19,040 --> 01:34:22,980
ago thought it would be okay to have a certain type of development now we're looking

1092
01:34:23,500 --> 01:34:29,000
at ideas for different types of development. So things do change just because something was set

1093
01:34:29,000 --> 01:34:34,340
five or ten years ago doesn't mean it's going to be valid now. But that's what we need to see

1094
01:34:34,340 --> 01:34:41,820
as something that says New England Village. All right, thank you. Could like to speak next.

1095
01:34:47,160 --> 01:34:54,980
I have to echo what Mr. Faust just said, but I also want to recognize some of the steps

1096
01:34:54,980 --> 01:35:03,340
beginning steps that L.C. has, in fact, taken, and I appreciate those, because it does

1097
01:35:03,340 --> 01:35:11,100
at least give me some encouragement that we can continue to work through this and ultimately end

1098
01:35:11,100 --> 01:35:14,060
up with an outstanding project.

1099
01:35:15,400 --> 01:35:22,780
One of the things that concerns me is in fact the apartments and in that same visioning

1100
01:35:22,780 --> 01:35:30,980
statement that you mentioned before, it indicates very clearly that the residential portion

1101
01:35:30,980 --> 01:35:38,720
should be subordinate to the commercial portions on the site and we have the exact opposite

1102
01:35:38,720 --> 01:35:40,420
relative to those apartments.

1103
01:35:40,420 --> 01:35:50,100
So, from my humble opinion, that to me means there has to be a significant reduction in the apartments.

1104
01:35:51,180 --> 01:35:59,740
Because I'm also very concerned about sending that much additional traffic down residential streets.

1105
01:35:59,740 --> 01:36:02,820
up particularly the evening street,

1106
01:36:03,380 --> 01:36:10,440
Lairmer, where kids are walking to school and some of the streets don't have sidewalks.

1107
01:36:11,120 --> 01:36:13,550
And so that is a tremendous concern to me.

1108
01:36:14,680 --> 01:36:19,460
In addition, while I appreciate the fact that, as you said,

1109
01:36:19,580 --> 01:36:23,400
that there's 25% green space,

1110
01:36:23,400 --> 01:36:24,960
Unfortunately,

1111
01:36:28,340 --> 01:36:33,960
that green space isn't significantly contiguous, and so, you know, even part

1112
01:36:33,960 --> 01:36:40,960
of that Rush Creek area, or Tucker Creek area, is unusable space.

1113
01:36:42,300 --> 01:36:50,340
I also think that, and I would strongly encourage you, as you look at the particularly

1114
01:36:50,340 --> 01:36:59,580
the town homes and the single homes, one of the significant needs that we have as a community

1115
01:37:00,400 --> 01:37:06,620
is housing for seniors who would like to stay in the community, but who really aren't

1116
01:37:06,620 --> 01:37:14,620
interested in going up three flights of stairs. And I believe I looked at the town homes and

1117
01:37:14,620 --> 01:37:16,820
downhomes are all three, three floors.

1118
01:37:17,780 --> 01:37:21,420
So I would really encourage you to look at that

1119
01:37:21,420 --> 01:37:25,880
and perhaps come up with a way to increase even more

1120
01:37:25,880 --> 01:37:28,960
the number of homes that would be appropriate for me.

1121
01:37:30,000 --> 01:37:36,640
So those of us that are getting a little over and at some point in time don't want to climb the stairs.

1122
01:37:38,940 --> 01:37:45,900
I'm also concerned on the current plan about the extremely significant loss of trees.

1123
01:37:47,300 --> 01:37:55,780
And you know, one of the things that we've always loved and I've been working to the resident for 38 years, but one of the things we've always loved are the large mature trees.

1124
01:37:55,780 --> 01:38:09,100
And I think that's part of that whole New England look, and so I think that there has, as I think I've read through this, there are a tremendous number of trees that are going to be sacrificed.

1125
01:38:09,640 --> 01:38:19,460
And yes, I know that some of those will be replaced, but of course, as is necessary, they will be replaced with very small caliber trees.

1126
01:38:19,460 --> 01:38:24,980
and as we all know, unfortunately, that takes years and years to replace.

1127
01:38:25,980 --> 01:38:31,420
So I would want to thank LC for making some of the adjustments that they've already made.

1128
01:38:31,520 --> 01:38:35,640
I would say that that's a nice first baby step,

1129
01:38:36,060 --> 01:38:45,600
but I think we require or would really like to see even more significant adjustments based upon that community feedback

1130
01:38:45,600 --> 01:38:48,340
and on that visiting statement as well.

1131
01:38:48,340 --> 01:38:52,120
Thank you. Thank you. Susan, you're the last.

1132
01:38:53,140 --> 01:38:57,600
Yeah, I won't repeat everything that's been said, but two things to follow up on that.

1133
01:38:57,600 --> 01:39:04,580
Mr. Schuster mentions. One, I don't think it's just seniors that don't want to do multiple flights of stairs per day.

1134
01:39:04,620 --> 01:39:08,140
You know, families with young children and anyone moving in don't want to do that either.

1135
01:39:08,140 --> 01:39:14,980
So I think that really understanding the diversity of housing product and how people use it is important.

1136
01:39:14,980 --> 01:39:22,800
There was also mentioned that the City Council meeting last week I believe it was about central

1137
01:39:22,800 --> 01:39:29,220
Ohio's economic segregation and I think that diversity in the housing product is important

1138
01:39:29,220 --> 01:39:34,880
but as many of the emails have mentioned diversity in the economics of what this development

1139
01:39:34,880 --> 01:39:35,580
will support.

1140
01:39:35,780 --> 01:39:43,120
I feel very important as mentioned many times there's people banging on doors trying to get into

1141
01:39:43,120 --> 01:39:48,600
and we can't make it economically impossible for new residents to come in. So I think that's important.

1142
01:39:50,040 --> 01:39:58,520
As far as the green space, I appreciate the aggregation of it. Obviously that's a large thing for the whole community.

1143
01:39:59,140 --> 01:40:06,120
But I do feel like it's really kind of hidden within the site. You know, you can't really see it from high street.

1144
01:40:06,120 --> 01:40:09,900
can't see it from evening straight. It's really inside and behind green

1145
01:40:09,900 --> 01:40:14,920
buyer court. So I think that yes, creating that linear green to draw people

1146
01:40:14,920 --> 01:40:20,120
in is important. But there's also that aspect of being able to experience that

1147
01:40:20,120 --> 01:40:25,760
wind traveling throughout the city. And lastly, yes, the trees, you know, a couple

1148
01:40:25,760 --> 01:40:30,740
meetings ago. We listened to us and emotional story about one tree in the

1149
01:40:30,740 --> 01:40:37,520
and the hundreds of trees that are projected here to come down is devastating.

1150
01:40:38,000 --> 01:40:39,920
You know, we advertise that we're a tree city.

1151
01:40:40,520 --> 01:40:45,720
This is a huge number of our trees, and that's truly the one thing that we cannot

1152
01:40:45,720 --> 01:40:49,240
Replace or benefit from our lifetimes.

1153
01:40:49,280 --> 01:40:54,960
And I think that the New England community and trees are a direct correspondence.

1154
01:40:54,960 --> 01:41:11,600
So, as far as, you know, economics of the site, obviously it needs to work for everyone, I personally would like to see something that brings people here, you know, new, new young families, new homeowners and keeps people here after they're downsizing.

1155
01:41:13,240 --> 01:41:15,060
So, those are my thoughts.

1156
01:41:15,900 --> 01:41:17,460
All right, thank you.

1157
01:41:17,460 --> 01:41:22,480
And if we heard from all the members of the board, I've given some of my views, I go ahead and go last.

1158
01:41:24,480 --> 01:41:27,220
First of all, I'm very much in favor of good development.

1159
01:41:28,480 --> 01:41:32,780
As an architect, as well as some of the other members of the board who are architects as well,

1160
01:41:33,220 --> 01:41:35,320
we look forward to projects like that.

1161
01:41:35,480 --> 01:41:40,660
We both have all of us, if they've seen projects that were not good developments,

1162
01:41:40,860 --> 01:41:42,480
that they just didn't belong when they were.

1163
01:41:42,480 --> 01:41:46,380
I'm not saying that this is one of those, it just needs to be very

1164
01:41:46,380 --> 01:41:49,920
buckly carried out so that it works for everybody.

1165
01:41:51,400 --> 01:41:54,600
The number of units is too many for me.

1166
01:41:55,460 --> 01:42:00,300
Even at 420 and I appreciate the fact that Elsie came back and

1167
01:42:00,300 --> 01:42:06,880
did reduce the number, I think they said by 20%, but it's still too many

1168
01:42:06,880 --> 01:42:10,040
apartments and what's driving that is the five stories.

1169
01:42:10,040 --> 01:42:21,760
I have a difficulty with a five-story building in that location, maybe right along high street where the commercial property is, but I'd have a difficult time with that as well.

1170
01:42:22,020 --> 01:42:27,880
I think with where that piece of land is a five-story building is just too tall.

1171
01:42:28,340 --> 01:42:39,660
So I'd like to see the impact if you took the two apartment building in so the state, and change us with five stories, the three stories, what is the net change in the number of apartments.

1172
01:42:39,660 --> 01:42:45,320
maybe I can get more comfortable with that. The heights of villains I talked about, the usable

1173
01:42:45,320 --> 01:42:52,980
green space, in my mind, and we have a number of people who have advocated just to take it apart,

1174
01:42:53,180 --> 01:42:58,300
it's always been apart. Well, it never has been apart. It's just been a very huge piece of land

1175
01:42:59,140 --> 01:43:04,640
that points in time to have been used as soccer fields and other things, but it never was a

1176
01:43:04,640 --> 01:43:11,200
it was never zoned apart. But given that, when you talk about green space, to me, green space is

1177
01:43:11,200 --> 01:43:16,140
usable green space. It's not just a boulevard, we got a lot of nice trees and landscaping going

1178
01:43:17,500 --> 01:43:24,060
down with the streets on either side. It's something that you can take your child to it and play.

1179
01:43:24,200 --> 01:43:29,400
It doesn't have to be a two acre plot, but maybe it's a third acre. I live on a half acre on

1180
01:43:29,400 --> 01:43:33,120
need street and a lot of the neighborhood kids when they're growing up used to use our backyard

1181
01:43:33,120 --> 01:43:40,000
as a baseball park, which we thought was just great. So when I think of green space, it needs

1182
01:43:40,000 --> 01:43:44,960
to be usable green space, not just something that you're driving on the street and it's a

1183
01:43:44,960 --> 01:43:54,120
wire 10 foot or 15 foot street and it's got trees in it. I had mentioned before that the plan

1184
01:43:54,120 --> 01:44:03,380
And as has had very little community input and not something that every project we deal with is extremely important.

1185
01:44:04,320 --> 01:44:09,040
It's encouraged by city council, it's encouraged by city staff.

1186
01:44:10,060 --> 01:44:20,140
We look forward to listening to everybody who writes who may call, we may not agree with everybody, but it's important for us to know that we do get that community input.

1187
01:44:20,140 --> 01:44:24,280
But we're never going to get 100% of the people to fall in love with this project.

1188
01:44:24,880 --> 01:44:32,800
That's not going to happen, but we need to get more than 10% that really like it.

1189
01:44:33,440 --> 01:44:35,580
We've got to get closer to the middle.

1190
01:44:38,220 --> 01:44:45,880
And the plan that was presented tonight, as an architect, it's very unimaginative to me.

1191
01:44:46,440 --> 01:44:54,140
There's nothing that I'm looking at from a bird's eye view that just really there are a couple of things that I do like

1192
01:44:54,140 --> 01:44:59,980
The entrance coming in out for high street that's somewhat mindy mental but it's a problem.

1193
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:08,700
I hope it for a project like this, so that I do like how that works, where you've got the larger pieces of property up against

1194
01:45:08,700 --> 01:45:17,600
Amy Street on the west side. I like that. I don't like rectangles and squares when it comes to residential neighborhoods.

1195
01:45:19,380 --> 01:45:28,480
When you look at where you can state, you have kind of a mix, and I think from the most part, it's a pretty good mix where you've got some current streets.

1196
01:45:28,480 --> 01:45:34,440
you've got some callous acts, you've got some rectangles, and here it seems, and I understand

1197
01:45:34,440 --> 01:45:41,580
it is primarily probably driven because of economics and construction that a rectilinear

1198
01:45:41,580 --> 01:45:46,920
shape works best for that. The thing that I would want to have somebody take a look at is there

1199
01:45:46,920 --> 01:45:52,100
opportunity to make that a little bit more vibrant, a little bit more exciting and just you turn

1200
01:45:52,100 --> 01:45:56,660
back to your right and turn right, because it's something that can change.

1201
01:45:57,880 --> 01:45:59,960
We've talked about the diversity of housing,

1202
01:46:00,520 --> 01:46:04,160
Worthington is not known for having a lot of diversity in housing.

1203
01:46:05,600 --> 01:46:11,440
We've had any number of people who didn't pass President of City Council

1204
01:46:11,440 --> 01:46:16,280
who moved out of Worthington because he couldn't find some place for him to live

1205
01:46:16,280 --> 01:46:21,220
in a home that was one story that was kind of like a...

1206
01:46:22,680 --> 01:46:27,700
are used to work kind of, but that probably isn't the right word, or other people taking care of the maintenance.

1207
01:46:28,080 --> 01:46:29,420
We just don't have a lot of that.

1208
01:46:30,300 --> 01:46:33,280
In fact, I'm not sure that we have any of it within the city.

1209
01:46:34,900 --> 01:46:40,960
Those are the kinds of things that, you know, I look at the town homes, and that seems a good application.

1210
01:46:41,260 --> 01:46:44,300
Susan had talked about people who don't want to go up and down stairs.

1211
01:46:45,340 --> 01:46:50,780
I'm very quickly reaching the stage of my life where as much as I like going up and down stairs,

1212
01:46:50,780 --> 01:46:54,580
probably met a couple of years. It's going to be less going up and downstairs.

1213
01:46:55,620 --> 01:47:03,820
My wife has already reached that point, so we need to take a look at it. Is there something here that could be more akin to that?

1214
01:47:05,080 --> 01:47:17,460
So that's kind of where I'm at. We, or Kenny or Linda, have we had anybody else email us or try to call and where they can voice their opinions?

1215
01:47:18,660 --> 01:47:20,320
Yes, sir, we have not.

1216
01:47:21,440 --> 01:47:22,760
Mr. Chairman, may I?

1217
01:47:23,200 --> 01:47:23,800
Yes, please.

1218
01:47:25,100 --> 01:47:25,760
Thank you.

1219
01:47:26,120 --> 01:47:31,800
I don't, I'm not real certain how I want to say this.

1220
01:47:32,600 --> 01:47:35,200
And I certainly don't want to, in any way, be accusatory.

1221
01:47:35,620 --> 01:47:37,620
I don't want anyone to be defensive about this.

1222
01:47:38,180 --> 01:47:42,260
But there was a comment, Tom, that you made, that kind of peaked my ears.

1223
01:47:42,940 --> 01:47:47,820
When you said you were here for it with really just a conceptual plan,

1224
01:47:47,820 --> 01:47:54,660
looking for feedback and you didn't think it was appropriate for us to go ahead and act on

1225
01:47:54,660 --> 01:48:02,960
your plan tonight given that presentation that posture is housed presented. Tom and

1226
01:48:02,960 --> 01:48:08,280
Bo, I've met with both of you on multiple occasions. Bo, I've met with your predecessor.

1227
01:48:17,160 --> 01:48:17,800
I believe

1228
01:48:17,800 --> 01:48:27,640
We've tried to be very straightforward and blunt and direct and consistent in what I thought

1229
01:48:27,640 --> 01:48:30,140
were being wanted from this development.

1230
01:48:31,420 --> 01:48:38,000
So I believe that you have been given multiple opportunities with clear directive as to

1231
01:48:38,000 --> 01:48:40,240
what we want, some of what you've heard tonight.

1232
01:48:41,960 --> 01:48:47,300
And one thing that we have asked from you repeatedly, and we have never been able to get

1233
01:48:47,300 --> 01:48:54,240
answer is what's the economics of this? When you first presented this project to us there was

1234
01:48:54,240 --> 01:49:01,380
a certain number of apartments that has ballooned. Is that being driven by economics? Is that

1235
01:49:01,380 --> 01:49:05,580
being driven by ask high and get low?

1236
01:49:07,880 --> 01:49:10,640
You know we have been asked also asking questions that

1237
01:49:10,640 --> 01:49:17,060
we have not been able to get answers to. So I think we have made it very clear to you for

1238
01:49:17,060 --> 01:49:23,260
seven years, what it is that we want, and we've been consistent in that message.

1239
01:49:26,840 --> 01:49:30,580
That's all I have to say, and I don't think the response.

1240
01:49:31,260 --> 01:49:33,760
I thought we'd like the response, sir.

1241
01:49:34,160 --> 01:49:35,080
Please go ahead.

1242
01:49:35,880 --> 01:49:37,640
First, thank you.

1243
01:49:37,640 --> 01:49:38,320
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

1244
01:49:38,660 --> 01:49:39,000
Mr. Myers.

1245
01:49:42,120 --> 01:49:45,060
I don't think we are arguing that

1246
01:49:47,460 --> 01:49:51,920
turning down a conceptual plan where we're trying to get

1247
01:49:54,340 --> 01:49:57,300
feedback and clarity and direction.

1248
01:49:59,200 --> 01:50:01,480
It's just very, very unusual, sir.

1249
01:50:01,740 --> 01:50:02,780
It would be very unusual.

1250
01:50:04,780 --> 01:50:08,240
And you feel like you've been clear and consistent.

1251
01:50:10,240 --> 01:50:11,300
What's the number?

1252
01:50:11,460 --> 01:50:13,240
What's the number of, what's the open space number?

1253
01:50:13,680 --> 01:50:16,920
What's the density number that the city would find acceptable?

1254
01:50:16,920 --> 01:50:23,800
You know, that's what we want to know, too, what's the number, you know, that's going to work in a changing market.

1255
01:50:24,340 --> 01:50:30,740
I mean, Mr. Myers, think of how much the world has changed since 2015.

1256
01:50:31,640 --> 01:50:36,020
And yet, you know, we're stuck in this mode where you've been telling us the same thing all along,

1257
01:50:37,440 --> 01:50:41,640
which, you know, that hasn't been, I wasn't part of that, most of that history.

1258
01:50:42,080 --> 01:50:45,220
But I know that over that period, the world is dramatically different.

1259
01:50:45,220 --> 01:50:51,080
What drives development, what drives employment uses, what drives office uses is dramatically

1260
01:50:51,080 --> 01:50:51,740
different.

1261
01:50:52,320 --> 01:50:58,360
And what we're trying to convey, and I think we've been clear about it, is we're in the

1262
01:50:58,360 --> 01:50:58,740
market.

1263
01:50:58,740 --> 01:51:03,700
We honestly believe that it has to start with residential.

1264
01:51:04,100 --> 01:51:11,420
There has to be that quantum, that threshold, that accounting is scheduled to drive a

1265
01:51:11,420 --> 01:51:16,980
like this to get the city what it wants in terms of the economics and actually what's in the

1266
01:51:16,980 --> 01:51:22,480
complaint and that does call for density. And so I do think that condition is different

1267
01:51:22,480 --> 01:51:30,980
than it was in 2016 and even what was last year. I mean people that people that try to get a

1268
01:51:30,980 --> 01:51:36,160
handle on the office market today to understand some landlords, people in the least business,

1269
01:51:36,160 --> 01:51:43,160
aren't even sure they can legally collect rent until recently, I guess, and so, you know,

1270
01:51:44,340 --> 01:51:48,940
I don't, I'm not, I guess I'm not really disagreeing with you that we've had dialogue,

1271
01:51:49,260 --> 01:51:53,140
but nobody, nobody's ever said, yeah, this means this number would meet our complaint.

1272
01:51:53,500 --> 01:51:59,180
This number of office and commercial would meet our needs.

1273
01:51:59,600 --> 01:52:01,880
This number of residential would be acceptable.

1274
01:52:02,760 --> 01:52:09,860
that is not concerned and we were told to come to this process to have dialogue on those key

1275
01:52:09,860 --> 01:52:15,460
issues and start with the land plan. And so that is what that's what we tried to do and that is the

1276
01:52:15,460 --> 01:52:22,760
conversation we have last. And Mr. Kulture, I would like to ask you a couple clarifying questions

1277
01:52:22,760 --> 01:52:29,980
because your feedback, you gave us very specific feedback on this land plan and

1278
01:52:30,000 --> 01:52:38,060
And one of the things you said, I think, to clarify was that, you know, you don't want to see five stories. That is in the

1279
01:52:38,060 --> 01:52:45,300
complaint, but you don't want to see five stories. But you did say, you've got a fight or a little bit. I believe by saying that it might work, you know,

1280
01:52:45,300 --> 01:52:53,620
if it was a whole, you know, limited to being a long-high street. And I just, I want to, you know, ask about that. But also,

1281
01:52:53,620 --> 01:53:01,280
height is how we save open space, height limits the footprint of a building on the earth so

1282
01:53:01,280 --> 01:53:05,760
that we can have more open space. So height is where it's acceptable where it could work,

1283
01:53:05,760 --> 01:53:11,940
how we could work it in, is something that does help on the amoeba of getting more open space.

1284
01:53:12,560 --> 01:53:18,280
And so, you know, that is the kind of thing we want to sit down if we can do right now. If

1285
01:53:18,280 --> 01:53:21,620
that this is our opportunity to go to that point

1286
01:53:21,620 --> 01:53:24,600
that if we have height, and by the way,

1287
01:53:24,740 --> 01:53:30,360
we do have 420 single floor living with elevators,

1288
01:53:30,500 --> 01:53:34,100
at least one in 20, some of our time homes are also flats.

1289
01:53:34,720 --> 01:53:37,280
But every one of the apartments is single floor living

1290
01:53:37,280 --> 01:53:38,500
with elevator service.

1291
01:53:39,040 --> 01:53:42,020
But I guess my point, my main point, is height

1292
01:53:42,020 --> 01:53:44,620
is also a solution where it can work.

1293
01:53:45,320 --> 01:53:47,000
And did you say, as a clarifying question,

1294
01:53:47,000 --> 01:53:50,240
I'm asking, did you say it might work a long-high street

1295
01:53:50,240 --> 01:53:52,760
if it was limited there?

1296
01:53:53,540 --> 01:53:54,080
Oh, qualify.

1297
01:53:55,560 --> 01:53:58,040
I do not want to see five stories on the interior.

1298
01:53:58,480 --> 01:54:00,160
I can't make that any more clear.

1299
01:54:00,680 --> 01:54:02,500
I hope you understand that.

1300
01:54:03,920 --> 01:54:09,740
We have looked at various scenarios for a long high street.

1301
01:54:10,360 --> 01:54:11,420
Even at the country,

1302
01:54:14,370 --> 01:54:16,630
high street stories, maybe they didn't make it

1303
01:54:16,630 --> 01:54:18,970
out, I don't agree with it.

1304
01:54:18,970 --> 01:54:21,690
It's not something that I would just cut watch, it's important.

1305
01:54:21,770 --> 01:54:26,270
So yeah, if you came in with a five-story, it automatically agree and approve it.

1306
01:54:26,570 --> 01:54:29,050
Part of it comes down to the architecture, part of it comes down to it.

1307
01:54:29,150 --> 01:54:36,230
Does it really need to build five stories, part of it comes down to how does it fit in with the other properties up and down high street?

1308
01:54:37,210 --> 01:54:47,810
I'm not in love with five story goings within almost the heart of Worlington's Mr. Faust pointed out when he was giving his considerations.

1309
01:54:49,880 --> 01:54:55,620
This and one other property were linked to are the two largest single properties we have left to see development.

1310
01:54:56,620 --> 01:55:01,340
Yours just has to be coming first. Yours is also more prominent with its

1311
01:55:01,340 --> 01:55:06,580
Visibility on high street and visibility to the downtown square and everything that

1312
01:55:06,580 --> 01:55:09,260
Anybody coming through for lunch and this is going to see.

1313
01:55:10,460 --> 01:55:15,020
So, I would disagree with you that you have to have quite the density.

1314
01:55:15,020 --> 01:55:20,460
the density, it's just too many numbers of apartments.

1315
01:55:20,720 --> 01:55:22,840
That's why I raised the question a few minutes ago.

1316
01:55:22,920 --> 01:55:27,720
If you took your five-story apartment buildings and you took those down to three stories,

1317
01:55:28,760 --> 01:55:33,680
what's the number of apartments does that lead you and can you make that financially work?

1318
01:55:34,220 --> 01:55:35,480
I don't know the answer to that.

1319
01:55:35,500 --> 01:55:37,140
You have to answer that.

1320
01:55:37,660 --> 01:55:41,340
You've got numbers that you're going to have to run that at some point in time you just

1321
01:55:41,340 --> 01:55:44,500
said, you know, we just can't do anything here.

1322
01:55:44,500 --> 01:55:49,580
I don't want to get to that point. I want to get to the point where we can work with the

1323
01:55:49,580 --> 01:55:54,580
density. We need more comfortable with it. It doesn't have to be down as low numbers. I would like to be.

1324
01:55:54,720 --> 01:55:59,420
I'm willing to compromise on that. But the first question is if you take those two five-story

1325
01:55:59,420 --> 01:56:04,080
apartment buildings and you make them into three stories, what does that 420 become?

1326
01:56:04,080 --> 01:56:15,470
is a 3A is a 360 what is that number so yeah I can I'm just I'm not in love with five

1327
01:56:15,470 --> 01:56:19,930
story buildings and rather than to honor when you get along you know I'm pretty

1328
01:56:19,930 --> 01:56:23,170
like what we recently looked at up on 270

1329
01:56:27,400 --> 01:56:30,500
oh speak for myself just a chair but

1330
01:56:30,500 --> 01:56:38,740
that's clear hopeful productive guys and a very much appreciated okay I

1331
01:56:38,740 --> 01:56:40,320
I didn't do anything right.

1332
01:56:40,660 --> 01:56:42,900
Oh, thank you.

1333
01:56:43,040 --> 01:56:47,280
And I, you know, I just, my only comment in response is, you know,

1334
01:56:47,360 --> 01:56:53,200
that's something that maybe we'll take a look at and we'll have to study.

1335
01:56:54,200 --> 01:57:02,200
The other side of it is we, again, we have to also hit a mark where we are attracting the office

1336
01:57:02,200 --> 01:57:05,760
and the restaurant and the services and the other dynamics.

1337
01:57:05,760 --> 01:57:21,660
But that is the key to the attention here in that marketplace, in that business plan, how much we have to answer how much is enough to attract with the city once there in terms of that income tax and that employment.

1338
01:57:23,240 --> 01:57:25,600
I appreciate that. I agree with that comment.

1339
01:57:25,600 --> 01:57:28,400
Yeah. So, it's a get-in-taining.

1340
01:57:34,050 --> 01:57:44,910
You know, the only other thing I'd like to ask about for myself is we tried really hard to have an open space plan that opens up the site to the neighborhoods.

1341
01:57:45,430 --> 01:57:51,950
That was a very clear comment we got in our award meetings, in our other community meetings that were close-off.

1342
01:57:52,590 --> 01:57:57,310
We put a green space on the perimeter and opened up parts of the site.

1343
01:58:00,450 --> 01:58:06,410
I think the comment we've heard today is more about additional aggregation, but is that

1344
01:58:06,410 --> 01:58:12,190
is opening up a site like that at those key entrances for pedestrians, is that something

1345
01:58:12,190 --> 01:58:12,910
that you favor?

1346
01:58:13,070 --> 01:58:13,930
Is that appropriate?

1347
01:58:14,250 --> 01:58:17,210
Would we hit the mark on that part of that open space plan?

1348
01:58:20,080 --> 01:58:26,360
Yeah, for me personally, I like the idea of opening it up, but I couldn't see an up detail

1349
01:58:26,360 --> 01:58:28,060
to completely understand it.

1350
01:58:28,060 --> 01:58:32,760
So the idea is good for me.

1351
01:58:33,440 --> 01:58:34,980
I just would need to get more information.

1352
01:58:35,520 --> 01:58:38,560
When you say you're opening it up, what exactly does that mean?

1353
01:58:39,640 --> 01:58:43,660
I did appreciate the fact that you pulled the two apartment projects

1354
01:58:43,660 --> 01:58:50,120
in a more away from the homes on the Long Call of Lairmer.

1355
01:58:50,300 --> 01:58:51,980
Yeah, I'm closer to the high street out there.

1356
01:58:52,220 --> 01:58:53,260
That was good.

1357
01:58:53,280 --> 01:58:56,100
But it still just the height issue for me.

1358
01:58:56,100 --> 01:59:05,140
You know, the fact that you've got a large number of homes in there are units that are one story.

1359
01:59:05,960 --> 01:59:07,020
I like that.

1360
01:59:07,200 --> 01:59:08,840
I couldn't tell from the land plan.

1361
01:59:09,580 --> 01:59:12,880
What that was, that was good information for me.

1362
01:59:13,900 --> 01:59:16,800
That makes me feel a bit more comfortable about it.

1363
01:59:17,600 --> 01:59:20,100
So, you know, obviously there's work to do.

1364
01:59:23,260 --> 01:59:23,580
Thank you.

1365
01:59:26,610 --> 01:59:28,750
Does anybody else have any questions or comments?

1366
01:59:31,920 --> 01:59:38,780
Yeah, this is Dave. I'll add one more specific since that seems to be something that's

1367
01:59:39,440 --> 01:59:47,800
appropriate and desired. My specific is this. The proposed entrance or exit off of

1368
01:59:47,800 --> 01:59:54,900
evening street, I would support that only if it were a call the sack that led to smaller

1369
01:59:54,900 --> 01:59:59,880
or single family homes in that area, I will not.

1370
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:07,820
Any circumstances support a development that allows a way to cut through from high street over to evening street.

1371
02:00:08,000 --> 02:00:15,640
If it's open into the center of that, I can't do that. I cannot get behind that under any circumstances.

1372
02:00:16,440 --> 02:00:20,140
That's just one person. Let me be real clear on that one.

1373
02:00:20,140 --> 02:00:30,290
And I think that the real issue there is if you look where even these three elementary school is you look where the sidewalks are along there.

1374
02:00:31,480 --> 02:00:38,220
I live on even these three four houses down from the intersection 161 and Kathy I know it's just around the court.

1375
02:00:38,220 --> 02:00:42,400
aiming street is just a huge traffic jam

1376
02:00:42,400 --> 02:00:44,220
at certain times of the day.

1377
02:00:45,560 --> 02:00:48,260
And you've got little kids running around,

1378
02:00:48,320 --> 02:00:50,240
you know, the teachers do a wonderful job

1379
02:00:50,240 --> 02:00:53,920
to watch them, the parents do a wonderful job of watching them.

1380
02:00:54,400 --> 02:00:56,740
But we've got enough traffic on aiming street

1381
02:00:56,740 --> 02:00:59,480
without opening it up to the entire development.

1382
02:00:59,940 --> 02:01:02,600
So I think the idea that Mr. Faust is putting forward

1383
02:01:03,180 --> 02:01:06,380
of having a road coming off into the development

1384
02:01:07,200 --> 02:01:12,720
It can work if it's called a sec type situation where it's not feeding the entire development.

1385
02:01:13,320 --> 02:01:17,260
It's the perhaps just that Southwest corner or just that western side.

1386
02:01:17,880 --> 02:01:21,500
And I thought that we had talked about that in the past,

1387
02:01:24,140 --> 02:01:25,360
but I'm not sure where it went,

1388
02:01:25,960 --> 02:01:32,400
but it's not a completely new idea of that, yeah, I do appreciate your Mr. Faust to say,

1389
02:01:34,960 --> 02:01:35,740
anybody else?

1390
02:01:37,470 --> 02:01:42,030
I agree with that with the things through making it a call to set to you.

1391
02:01:42,030 --> 02:01:54,470
I don't think that we should have cut through from high street or any of the businesses that are located in that area to be able to exit on high street or on evening street.

1392
02:02:02,620 --> 02:02:15,960
I think the same thing applies to Lairmer, and so whether that ends up being a right turn only out of the developments so that they have to go out into high street, but it's the same issue with Lairmer.

1393
02:02:16,140 --> 02:02:22,920
So whether they come out on the evening street or the good Lairmer, and they cut it over on the evening street, it's really the same issue for me.

1394
02:02:22,920 --> 02:02:28,180
So I have tremendous concerns about running traffic through those residential areas.

1395
02:02:30,480 --> 02:02:37,620
And to be fair to lifestyle, a final traffic plan has not been done or has been requested

1396
02:02:37,620 --> 02:02:42,900
because we still have a ways to get through before it would make sense for them to do that.

1397
02:02:45,280 --> 02:02:51,580
So, you know, I think a traffic plan certainly will be needed and required further down the road

1398
02:02:51,580 --> 02:02:54,420
it not in the immediate future.

1399
02:02:57,460 --> 02:03:00,400
Is there anybody else on the board of the commission or

1400
02:03:00,400 --> 02:03:05,860
lifestyle or anybody out in the community that would like to offer any more comments?

1401
02:03:09,410 --> 02:03:09,430
Okay,

1402
02:03:09,570 --> 02:03:16,730
not hearing any. Mr. Hart, we need to know how you want to proceed with this. Do you want us to

1403
02:03:16,730 --> 02:03:20,550
call for a vote? What does it do you want to do?

1404
02:03:21,810 --> 02:03:25,030
Nice Mr. Chair, right? We would we would appreciate the

1405
02:03:25,030 --> 02:03:29,050
table into a date, sir, so there's some certainty in terms of the next

1406
02:03:29,050 --> 02:03:35,230
hearing. We might do feel like you've got substantive feedback tonight

1407
02:03:35,230 --> 02:03:41,640
that we can and we would update the application. I think realistically with the

1408
02:03:41,640 --> 02:03:42,360
holidays,

1409
02:03:44,420 --> 02:03:47,640
you know, February, February meeting would probably make sense

1410
02:03:47,640 --> 02:03:50,960
because it was a lot of fun with the holiday time.

1411
02:03:51,560 --> 02:03:53,260
But we would appreciate the idea.

1412
02:03:56,740 --> 02:03:59,260
And I'll date some of the technical information

1413
02:03:59,260 --> 02:04:02,620
that goes with the plan, you know, for instance,

1414
02:04:02,820 --> 02:04:04,560
the issue is what you need in my armor

1415
02:04:04,560 --> 02:04:06,800
to take a look at those from the traffic traffic.

1416
02:04:16,060 --> 02:04:18,160
Mr. Chairman, Mr. Faust,

1417
02:04:20,420 --> 02:04:20,560
you know,

1418
02:04:20,760 --> 02:04:23,620
every time we've had a big development before us,

1419
02:04:23,680 --> 02:04:27,660
and we've table it and the developer, not this specific developer,

1420
02:04:27,660 --> 02:04:34,280
but in general, the developers have come back to us and with very minor changes and said

1421
02:04:34,280 --> 02:04:38,900
we've listened to you, we've made all these changes here. They are and we're looking at

1422
02:04:38,900 --> 02:04:46,040
90 or 95 percent of what we looked at before. And I think we need something so entirely different

1423
02:04:46,040 --> 02:04:52,400
here that I think to avoid that, I would recommend that's my understanding from staff that we have

1424
02:04:52,400 --> 02:04:58,880
this right this decision that instead of tabling this we get it off the table and start

1425
02:04:58,880 --> 02:05:04,980
fresh with a whole new proposal and I would recommend that we we vote on

1426
02:05:08,890 --> 02:05:09,790
and I'm willing to

1427
02:05:09,790 --> 02:05:17,350
make that proposal or the motion that's necessary if you choose to go that way.

1428
02:05:18,550 --> 02:05:25,350
When the applicant has asked for it to be tabled or narrowly what would happen and Mr. Brown

1429
02:05:25,350 --> 02:05:34,230
our correct, if I'm wrong, is we would ask for a motion to table and if we do not get a motion to table, then we would do a boat up or down.

1430
02:05:34,990 --> 02:05:43,790
Yes, sir. The only thing I would ask if we do, if board decides to go, or the commission decides to go towards a table, we know the applications.

1431
02:05:44,970 --> 02:05:50,510
The date, sir, and I think is needed, just we don't have this drag out for months or years for now.

1432
02:05:50,510 --> 02:05:58,950
I understand what Mr. Hart is saying now, I think we originally had thought, you know, the first of January would be a great time to bring it back, but with the holidays

1433
02:05:59,630 --> 02:06:07,970
If there's going to be some substantial work on this, I think the first meeting in February at the latest would be

1434
02:06:07,970 --> 02:06:09,510
What you would want to look for

1435
02:06:10,510 --> 02:06:17,510
If someone, if that ends up being the idea to take one, just look at that date, be February 10th

1436
02:06:18,430 --> 02:06:32,870
I think, you know, as you said, you guys have the option tonight to, well I don't think we would have information to approve, but you have the option to table or to deny, and then if it's denied, it then goes on to counsel with the recommendation of denial.

1437
02:06:33,830 --> 02:06:46,750
If you table I think we need to do it to a date certain so that we can get some of this information changed and get it out to the public as soon as we would get it, so that we can have substantial time to review.

1438
02:06:49,470 --> 02:07:02,170
Sir, if we do not get a motion to table, we do do a upper-down vote, it ultimately goes back to council, is that what I'm hearing?

1439
02:07:02,930 --> 02:07:07,870
Yes, sir, City Council has the final say, if you do a yes vote or no vote, City Council.

1440
02:07:08,070 --> 02:07:08,810
Okay, fine, I'll say.

1441
02:07:09,610 --> 02:07:09,830
All right.

1442
02:07:13,540 --> 02:07:19,200
Does anybody on the board have any questions about what we've just talked about, tabling or voting up or down?

1443
02:07:20,700 --> 02:07:28,400
Mr. Chairman, Mr. Foster, I would assess what is Zoom meeting and it's difficult to see who's saying yay and who's saying

1444
02:07:30,000 --> 02:07:37,860
Nay, I would be appropriate to have city staff do all of the members if we vote to table.

1445
02:07:38,260 --> 02:07:42,600
So we just are. They know how many there are each way for sure.

1446
02:07:43,220 --> 02:07:49,240
Yeah, I would ask for an start with, we should try to start with the actual NPC application.

1447
02:07:50,260 --> 02:08:00,240
Because of that one, for the table, it's kind of a given the Airbnb table, or if it goes to a vote, we at least have that one going first.

1448
02:08:01,440 --> 02:08:03,140
All right, so they've had it again.

1449
02:08:03,820 --> 02:08:11,180
I would do the planning commission case first, the PUD versus the Airbnb application.

1450
02:08:12,360 --> 02:08:14,280
In the PUD is the zoning?

1451
02:08:14,900 --> 02:08:15,700
Yes, sir.

1452
02:08:16,880 --> 02:08:17,400
Mr. Chairman?

1453
02:08:18,220 --> 02:08:18,440
Yes.

1454
02:08:18,440 --> 02:08:29,610
I just want to comment for the record to be to be recommended for denial on a concept

1455
02:08:29,610 --> 02:08:34,410
plan where we don't have the full application in front of you with all the technical

1456
02:08:34,410 --> 02:08:40,370
details. And we talked to the city about coming to plenty of missions to have dialogue.

1457
02:08:41,210 --> 02:08:47,350
To be denied recommended denial after that is it's not fair. It doesn't mean basic

1458
02:08:47,350 --> 02:08:54,690
to process equal protection standards. It's not collaborative. There are citizens in your community

1459
02:08:54,690 --> 02:09:02,600
that want us to have a collaborative process on this site, not going to stand out and

1460
02:09:02,600 --> 02:09:09,500
send us packing on a concept plan. This is not consistent with that requesting collaboration.

1461
02:09:14,040 --> 02:09:21,500
Well, I'm concerned that what will be interpreted here if it's table is that this board in this community

1462
02:09:21,500 --> 02:09:28,160
fully support the concept with some minor changes. That's the way this over the years gets

1463
02:09:28,160 --> 02:09:35,440
interpreted and that's why I suggested that we get it off the table and start fresh with

1464
02:09:35,440 --> 02:09:36,280
the new proposals.

1465
02:09:39,260 --> 02:09:43,580
That's just my experience on this board. If the rest of the board members

1466
02:09:43,580 --> 02:09:47,440
choose not to do that, I understand that perfectly well.

1467
02:09:51,380 --> 02:09:55,460
So at this point, I will ask for a motion to table.

1468
02:09:57,830 --> 02:09:59,250
Do I have a motion to table?

1469
02:10:04,360 --> 02:10:05,200
I don't hear a motion.

1470
02:10:06,120 --> 02:10:09,980
So from there, we go to a boat either up or down.

1471
02:10:10,960 --> 02:10:13,640
So we'll do the plan unit development first.

1472
02:10:13,960 --> 02:10:16,780
It's redevelopment at 1033 high street.

1473
02:10:16,780 --> 02:10:20,160
It's application PUD03-2020.

1474
02:10:20,160 --> 02:10:27,160
do I have a motion please? Mr. Chairman, Mr. Faust moves a three-quest by Thomas Sardon

1475
02:10:27,160 --> 02:10:34,020
behalf of lifestyle communities for approval to rezone the property at 10-32 high-speed

1476
02:10:34,020 --> 02:10:42,280
47-larm revenue and 57-larm revenue for the legal description provided showing 37.843 acres

1477
02:10:42,280 --> 02:10:51,940
As a planned unit development, as per case number PUD03, there's 2020 drawings, number PUD03,

1478
02:10:51,960 --> 02:10:55,780
there's 2020, there's September 9th, 2021.

1479
02:10:56,240 --> 02:11:01,560
You recommended the City Council for approval based on the planning goals of the city,

1480
02:11:01,680 --> 02:11:05,680
the Dero Prince, and the land use plans, and on the findings of facts and conclusions

1481
02:11:05,680 --> 02:11:07,940
in the staff memo and presented at the meeting.

1482
02:11:08,840 --> 02:11:09,580
Thank you.

1483
02:11:09,760 --> 02:11:10,580
Go ahead and a second.

1484
02:11:17,980 --> 02:11:19,100
Cathy Holkins, second.

1485
02:11:19,700 --> 02:11:20,940
Thank you.

1486
02:11:22,550 --> 02:11:25,250
It's been moved by Mr. Faust, seconded by Mr.

1487
02:11:25,510 --> 02:11:25,910
It's all come.

1488
02:11:26,010 --> 02:11:27,130
Could you please call the roll?

1489
02:11:27,810 --> 02:11:30,810
Mr. Colter, one thing before we do call the roll.

1490
02:11:30,930 --> 02:11:32,830
As I do want to remind the board members,

1491
02:11:33,390 --> 02:11:35,450
whether you vote yes or you vote no.

1492
02:11:36,370 --> 02:11:45,010
You need to tie your recommendation or your vote back to what's outlined in the staff

1493
02:11:45,010 --> 02:11:49,130
the mail and the the items we discussed and I need to reference why you're

1494
02:11:49,130 --> 02:11:55,290
voting. So with that I'll make the roll call Mr. Rice. I think I've already

1495
02:11:55,930 --> 02:12:02,650
said enough and enough has been said this evening. I don't think we're there yet and

1496
02:12:02,650 --> 02:12:03,450
I vote no.

1497
02:12:07,430 --> 02:12:08,310
Mrs. Holcomb.

1498
02:12:11,140 --> 02:12:14,240
I'm gonna say the same thing. I feel that we need

1499
02:12:14,240 --> 02:12:20,040
information to make this feasible. My vote is no.

1500
02:12:23,810 --> 02:12:27,890
Mr. Faust, my vote is no because I think we need

1501
02:12:27,890 --> 02:12:35,990
the development plan that really supports that New England village concept that the community

1502
02:12:37,190 --> 02:12:41,310
has committed to push forward.

1503
02:12:44,490 --> 02:12:45,310
And Mr. Culture.

1504
02:12:46,470 --> 02:12:56,950
I vote now for the reasons I've given earlier, having to do what height the building's density of the green space is used in the diversity of housing.

1505
02:12:58,190 --> 02:13:01,150
So that means the motion has failed.

1506
02:13:03,350 --> 02:13:09,850
We'll go back to the architectural review board under the regular agenda for the redevelopment of 1033 high street.

1507
02:13:09,850 --> 02:13:12,670
It's application AR-78-2020.

1508
02:13:14,190 --> 02:13:16,510
Is there anybody who wants to have any further discussion?

1509
02:13:19,780 --> 02:13:20,920
No, I don't have a question.

1510
02:13:21,500 --> 02:13:23,500
Mr. Culture, Mr. Culture, I have a question.

1511
02:13:24,000 --> 02:13:26,120
Since this was a conceptual discussion,

1512
02:13:26,320 --> 02:13:30,000
we really don't have any of the information necessary.

1513
02:13:30,220 --> 02:13:33,980
I think to make an architecture review decision.

1514
02:13:36,160 --> 02:13:38,800
So I'm not sure how we handle that,

1515
02:13:38,800 --> 02:13:45,980
But based on what we've seen, I guess I'm a little confused and need some direction.

1516
02:13:46,800 --> 02:13:52,600
I think since the planning commission has recommended the denial of the overall rezoning

1517
02:13:52,600 --> 02:14:00,320
of the property that once we go out to the BRB board, I'm not telling you how to vote,

1518
02:14:00,720 --> 02:14:07,000
but it would make logical sense that if you denied the PUD, you would not want to approve

1519
02:14:07,000 --> 02:14:10,940
the architecture because as you said it's it's not complete okay

1520
02:14:14,900 --> 02:14:15,720
so do I have a

1521
02:14:15,720 --> 02:14:17,280
motion to table

1522
02:14:20,000 --> 02:14:27,520
not hearing one can I have a motion for the I am as it

1523
02:14:27,520 --> 02:14:37,760
stated in the memorandum. Mr. Dennis Mr. Faust I don't think we have a written ARV

1524
02:14:39,160 --> 02:14:59,880
proposal in there. But I would move. We can do it in general that in the usual language that the architectural design is going to do us for the current plans information at the city meeting and discussions be approved or be.

1525
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:01,040
Be approved.

1526
02:15:06,810 --> 02:15:08,390
Do I have a second?

1527
02:15:08,770 --> 02:15:10,130
Good night. Second, Tom Rice.

1528
02:15:12,800 --> 02:15:17,060
Okay, it's been moved by Mr. Faust. Second, if I Mr. Rice, could you please call the roll?

1529
02:15:17,640 --> 02:15:18,100
Mr. Schuster?

1530
02:15:19,160 --> 02:15:19,480
No.

1531
02:15:20,580 --> 02:15:25,540
Mrs. Height, my note is again based on the comments I made in the presentation.

1532
02:15:26,500 --> 02:15:27,240
Thank you, sir.

1533
02:15:28,080 --> 02:15:28,480
Mrs. Height?

1534
02:15:29,700 --> 02:15:31,300
No. Okay, Tom, play this conversation.

1535
02:15:33,360 --> 02:15:33,920
Mrs. Holcomb?

1536
02:15:35,160 --> 02:15:37,880
No, based on that enough information.

1537
02:15:40,600 --> 02:15:41,200
Mr. Rice?

1538
02:15:45,160 --> 02:15:48,980
Low for all the reasons that we've talked about this all the time.

1539
02:15:49,660 --> 02:15:51,360
Thank you, Mr. Faust.

1540
02:15:52,220 --> 02:15:55,160
No, based on the reason stated for the PUD denial

1541
02:15:57,940 --> 02:15:59,480
and Mr. Colter.

1542
02:16:00,940 --> 02:16:07,920
Now only because that we did see some examples of the type of architecture that they're proposing

1543
02:16:07,920 --> 02:16:12,540
and I saw some things that I did like. There are some things I didn't saw that I didn't like

1544
02:16:12,540 --> 02:16:18,540
and we really didn't get into a deep enough community make a final decision. So that means this

1545
02:16:18,540 --> 02:16:19,540
is failed.

1546
02:16:21,720 --> 02:16:27,280
Correct me if I'm wrong. Mr Brown, but that's now going forward to City Council with

1547
02:16:27,280 --> 02:16:32,860
ARB and NPCs recommendations and they will have the same where it goes from there.

1548
02:16:32,860 --> 02:16:43,880
Yes, sir, the PD will now go on to City Council for final review or applicant has the opportunity to withdraw.

1549
02:16:44,660 --> 02:16:46,260
Okay, board does.

1550
02:16:47,280 --> 02:16:49,040
All right, thank you.

1551
02:16:49,180 --> 02:16:52,800
So that concludes our business for the architectural review board under regular agenda.

1552
02:16:53,060 --> 02:16:57,500
It also concludes our business for the municipal planning commission for unfinished business.

1553
02:16:57,880 --> 02:17:02,280
We will now get into the architectural review board under the regular agenda.

1554
02:17:02,280 --> 02:17:10,260
Again, for unfinished business, it's a new building at 6700 North High Street, it's application

1555
02:17:10,260 --> 02:17:17,380
ARB 79-2021, and we will need a motion to take this off the table as that crack.

1556
02:17:17,880 --> 02:17:25,280
We need to take this and the next two items off the table. They're all under unfinished business.

1557
02:17:25,280 --> 02:17:27,560
for L.C.M.B.

1558
02:17:27,960 --> 02:17:28,900
I don't know, Charles.

1559
02:17:30,160 --> 02:17:31,040
One moment, please.

1560
02:17:31,560 --> 02:17:35,480
Since these all have to do with the same property, can we do it under one?

1561
02:17:35,960 --> 02:17:36,780
Though, or do we have to do this?

1562
02:17:36,840 --> 02:17:40,340
If two cleaning commission members make the motions then yes.

1563
02:17:40,840 --> 02:17:41,100
Okay.

1564
02:17:43,560 --> 02:17:45,340
I heard Mr. Rice making motion.

1565
02:17:46,740 --> 02:17:46,820
Okay.

1566
02:17:46,940 --> 02:17:47,140
Gabba.

1567
02:17:50,240 --> 02:17:51,960
All those in favor say aye.

1568
02:17:53,640 --> 02:17:53,980
Opposed?

1569
02:17:55,680 --> 02:17:56,000
Okay.

1570
02:17:56,560 --> 02:17:57,540
Bear off the table.

1571
02:17:57,540 --> 02:18:05,160
So we'll go with the first one, the new building at 6700 North High Street, its application ARB-79-2021.

1572
02:18:06,840 --> 02:18:11,720
But we'll also be discussing the others too, so you would read us off the agenda.

1573
02:18:12,180 --> 02:18:13,800
I would be happy to thank you.

1574
02:18:14,660 --> 02:18:17,780
I'm a municipal planning commission portion on unfinished business.

1575
02:18:18,460 --> 02:18:24,660
The first item would be amendment to the development plan for a new building at 6700 North High Street.

1576
02:18:24,660 --> 02:18:37,480
It's application ADP 07-2021 and also in conjunction with there would be conditional use permit for driving bank at 6700 north high street.

1577
02:18:37,480 --> 02:18:42,000
It's application CU 07-2021

1578
02:18:44,050 --> 02:18:55,330
we are just now having our applicant team join in so I'll start my presentation and then they can

1579
02:18:56,990 --> 02:19:00,350
Hopefully, come in when they need to speak.

1580
02:19:02,730 --> 02:19:14,690
So if you recall, we already discussed this proposal to redevelop this southern portion of the site into LC and B Bank.

1581
02:19:18,380 --> 02:19:22,360
At the last meeting, you looked at two different versions of a site plan.

1582
02:19:22,360 --> 02:19:27,500
One had building at 50 feet, set back from high street.

1583
02:19:30,410 --> 02:19:39,500
And the other was at 100 feet from high street.

1584
02:19:40,320 --> 02:19:52,280
The couple members of the board expressed the desire to have it sit back at that 50 foot that back.

1585
02:19:52,380 --> 02:19:55,820
And so that's what the applicant came back with

1586
02:19:58,990 --> 02:20:01,210
on this proposal.

1587
02:20:02,090 --> 02:20:12,050
And after some members of city staff in the community looks at it, they felt that maybe a

1588
02:20:12,050 --> 02:20:17,570
good compromise position rather than going all the way back to a hundred feet would be to put

1589
02:20:17,570 --> 02:20:23,450
it at 70 feet. So, at the last minute we asked the applicant to provide a site plan showing

1590
02:20:23,450 --> 02:20:36,170
the 70-foot set back. I have it represented here with these blue lines and the green dots.

1591
02:20:36,870 --> 02:20:42,970
I wanted to show you what this looks like. The fire department, of course, is very close

1592
02:20:42,970 --> 02:20:50,610
to the right of way. And then we have FC Bank, just north of City Hall, that's at 70 feet.

1593
02:20:52,370 --> 02:20:58,090
The other setbacks along the stretch of North High Street vary quite a bit.

1594
02:20:58,770 --> 02:21:02,070
This is where it would be at 70 feet here.

1595
02:21:03,210 --> 02:21:11,630
Also though a little bit further north we have CF bank that is at 50 feet and you can see

1596
02:21:11,630 --> 02:21:13,970
not every building is right at 100 feet.

1597
02:21:14,390 --> 02:21:19,330
We go a little bit further a little bit closer so there's a little bit of variety already

1598
02:21:19,330 --> 02:21:28,270
on North High Street, it seems that a 70-foot setback would not harm the open feel of high

1599
02:21:28,270 --> 02:21:33,570
street yet would bring them the building, maybe a little bit closer than the 100-foot

1600
02:21:33,570 --> 02:21:37,750
setback for to give a little bit better pedestrian feel.

1601
02:21:38,970 --> 02:21:45,930
So they're asking you to decide tonight, there are willing to put the building at any of

1602
02:21:45,930 --> 02:21:54,930
three locations. And the parking is basically the same. They have preserved this rear portion

1603
02:21:54,930 --> 02:22:00,250
of the site with the existing landscaping and trees, and there's a wall that exists there.

1604
02:22:00,510 --> 02:22:05,650
That will remain as is, and they will be adding more landscaping along the rear.

1605
02:22:06,210 --> 02:22:14,070
But the parking would basically look like this. At the 100 foot option, it changes a little bit in

1606
02:22:14,610 --> 02:22:20,370
there's there are double base of parking on the north side rather than any behind the building,

1607
02:22:23,700 --> 02:22:26,580
but that would be the the main difference.

1608
02:22:30,000 --> 02:22:39,400
So, at the last meeting, we talked about they had a stone finish here and they have now changed that to brick.

1609
02:22:40,000 --> 02:22:48,640
They've changed the style of the rail to be a little bit more, in keeping with the style of building.

1610
02:22:49,820 --> 02:22:59,760
They have done some work to get the windows to be more in proportion with each other.

1611
02:23:00,220 --> 02:23:15,360
I think the key is that some of these spots, especially at the corner columns, these need to be more vertically oriented to match the other windows that are along the building.

1612
02:23:15,360 --> 02:23:22,180
And so that's the only tweak that I think we're still recommending with this windows.

1613
02:23:24,100 --> 02:23:30,960
We thought that the halo lit sign was appropriate for this building.

1614
02:23:33,200 --> 02:23:42,400
We do now also have specifications on the freestanding sign and there are a couple different

1615
02:23:42,400 --> 02:23:44,300
options on that as well.

1616
02:23:44,300 --> 02:23:54,700
This is as originally proposed and you can see it has two columns on the sides because of the overall size of this.

1617
02:23:55,260 --> 02:23:58,760
It would be well over what the code allows.

1618
02:23:59,720 --> 02:24:03,720
The style seems to be pretty complimentary to the building however.

1619
02:24:05,680 --> 02:24:09,860
This is another option that was presented.

1620
02:24:09,860 --> 02:24:19,940
And again, it's a little bit over what the code would allow for signage, but they've also

1621
02:24:19,940 --> 02:24:26,740
agreed to reduce the size of this, keeping the base the size it is, but reducing the actual

1622
02:24:26,740 --> 02:24:35,220
sign part so that it would meet the code, so it'd be smaller than this option that you see

1623
02:24:35,220 --> 02:24:45,460
here. So it stepped in, feel like it was a problem to have this that's slightly over

1624
02:24:45,460 --> 02:24:50,280
code. This one's probably a little bit bigger and a little bit more out of character.

1625
02:24:52,060 --> 02:24:57,280
Or if it exactly met code and was smaller than this, that would be fine too. So maybe

1626
02:24:57,280 --> 02:25:02,240
the board has a preference on that. The directional signs, they're only two of them, and

1627
02:25:02,240 --> 02:25:07,980
do meet the code requirements. So we are fine with that. Also on this freestyling sign, they

1628
02:25:07,980 --> 02:25:13,520
have agreed to also do halo lit letters. So that would match what is up on the building.

1629
02:25:21,630 --> 02:25:37,330
This is the landscape plan. We did have a resident that pointed out that not all of the

1630
02:25:37,330 --> 02:25:45,690
receive this revised document that we sent out by email to you, but this seems to be more

1631
02:25:45,690 --> 02:25:52,610
appropriate also our city artist recommended different species of maple tree

1632
02:25:53,270 --> 02:26:02,010
based on the soil that we have here. So they've made that change as well. This is the

1633
02:26:02,010 --> 02:26:08,090
lighting plan. As you can see they're proposing lights around the perimeter and

1634
02:26:08,090 --> 02:26:19,110
and a couple in the island of the parking lot and then some up on the front near the ramp and the walkway to the right of way.

1635
02:26:21,750 --> 02:26:25,870
The parking lot lights are all this basic style.

1636
02:26:26,970 --> 02:26:37,730
They will have shields on them so that the light source can't be seen from off the property and so that the spill of light doesn't extend.

1637
02:26:37,730 --> 02:26:46,270
on the property lines. They are proposed to be 4,000 K and color temperature, which is the

1638
02:26:46,270 --> 02:26:52,670
same that has been improved at other properties along North High Street and specifically

1639
02:26:52,670 --> 02:26:53,930
bank properties.

1640
02:26:56,110 --> 02:27:00,590
They originally were proposing poles that were 15 feet in height and they

1641
02:27:00,590 --> 02:27:09,390
reduces to 12 foot high poles. The concrete bases will not be exposed, so we don't need to worry about

1642
02:27:10,170 --> 02:27:12,910
them being painted. They'll just be in ground.

1643
02:27:15,290 --> 02:27:17,470
This is the style of fixture,

1644
02:27:18,550 --> 02:27:26,970
in pole that will be on the three light fixtures that are at the front along the front walkway of the building.

1645
02:27:26,970 --> 02:27:29,110
So, a little bit more decorative,

1646
02:27:31,880 --> 02:27:41,880
and then this is what's proposed for those corner features near the entrances and to match on the south side as well.

1647
02:27:42,260 --> 02:27:47,820
They do have a couple wall packs on the back that should be pretty unuptrusive,

1648
02:27:48,520 --> 02:27:54,860
and then they would have these lights up in the canopy that's both the drive through lanes.

1649
02:28:00,240 --> 02:28:29,420
So that is the new information, I think we talked about before that the drive through, which requires the conditional use, is there's plenty of room for stacking on the site that it shouldn't cause any sort of issues or problems and that there are appearances needed for the placement of the new building,

1650
02:28:29,420 --> 02:28:44,380
which is closer to the front if you go with the 50 or 70 foot set back and closer to the south side then the code would allow.

1651
02:28:46,520 --> 02:28:54,180
So you could talk about placement of the building and then also the options for the free standing sign that would be helpful.

1652
02:28:54,180 --> 02:28:54,560
All

1653
02:28:58,750 --> 02:29:01,530
right. Thank you. Do we have an applicant with us tonight?

1654
02:29:10,200 --> 02:29:15,460
Is anybody from the bank on? If you are on the

1655
02:29:15,460 --> 02:29:22,660
ourselves? Yeah, do star six. The station name and address for the record please.

1656
02:29:31,940 --> 02:29:34,040
Does it sound like our applicant is with us yet?

1657
02:29:34,360 --> 02:29:41,320
So if they join us, let's go ahead and have the discussion. So board members, questions or comments?

1658
02:29:50,650 --> 02:29:50,850
Anybody?

1659
02:29:50,850 --> 02:29:58,290
Yeah, I was one of the ones that raised question last time about to set back with all the

1660
02:29:59,190 --> 02:29:59,810
woneries.

1661
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:17,680
Nice trees. We have running up and down high street and I would rather see 70 than 50. I think it creates a little more consistency along there and it may help set the precedent that will assist us on future projects.

1662
02:30:20,720 --> 02:30:22,020
Anybody else?

1663
02:30:23,970 --> 02:30:30,010
I agree. I think it's kind of a happy medium between them and helps mitigate some of the really large setbacks.

1664
02:30:30,010 --> 02:30:35,990
Yeah, I tend to like the 70 feet because I think it gives the opportunity to put some nicer

1665
02:30:35,990 --> 02:30:38,290
larger trees perhaps in the front.

1666
02:30:41,920 --> 02:30:46,920
Does anybody have any thoughts on the sign and the two options for

1667
02:30:46,920 --> 02:30:48,440
the sign and this is to our percentage?

1668
02:30:53,590 --> 02:30:58,350
Well, what are the options that she said they're comfortable with? There's the one that actually meets code.

1669
02:31:00,250 --> 02:31:06,210
We don't have a picture of the option that meets code. It's slightly smaller than that second option.

1670
02:31:06,210 --> 02:31:09,210
I showed you that it doesn't have the pillars on the sides.

1671
02:31:10,730 --> 02:31:12,910
Yeah. Oh, sorry.

1672
02:31:14,110 --> 02:31:17,910
Comment on the one which the kind of two pillars on the side.

1673
02:31:19,050 --> 02:31:22,030
It makes me think of the one that we just went through at the former Wendy's,

1674
02:31:22,550 --> 02:31:27,210
where if and when the building changed one day and the brick gets filled in.

1675
02:31:28,890 --> 02:31:33,490
So why would you choose the one where we don't have a fill in issue a couple decades on the road?

1676
02:31:34,450 --> 02:31:35,830
That is the reason for that.

1677
02:31:36,150 --> 02:31:36,610
That is the reason for that.

1678
02:31:36,610 --> 02:31:36,790
That is the reason for that.

1679
02:31:37,050 --> 02:31:37,390
That is the reason for that.

1680
02:31:38,570 --> 02:31:40,090
Someone will remember the brand.

1681
02:31:40,330 --> 02:31:41,370
Or look at the minutes now.

1682
02:31:41,650 --> 02:31:42,850
That's my only talk on that.

1683
02:31:43,050 --> 02:31:46,070
Other one is, you know, if and when the box of the sign were to change.

1684
02:31:46,430 --> 02:31:47,450
Think kind about that building.

1685
02:31:47,630 --> 02:31:48,410
I was your architect.

1686
02:31:53,120 --> 02:31:53,420
All right.

1687
02:31:53,480 --> 02:31:55,420
I tend to agree with that comment.

1688
02:31:56,460 --> 02:31:58,060
Any other questions or comments?

1689
02:32:00,440 --> 02:32:06,340
Mr. Gantar, we have emails from in or is there anybody on the line that would like to speak about this project?

1690
02:32:06,340 --> 02:32:15,680
We have not had any emails come in, I don't think anyone's on the line waiting to provide any comment to you there.

1691
02:32:15,920 --> 02:32:16,380
All right, thank you.

1692
02:32:16,460 --> 02:32:21,440
Did anybody from the bank were you able to dial in or...

1693
02:32:21,440 --> 02:32:25,180
I have not seen a man unless they're on the phone.

1694
02:32:25,400 --> 02:32:29,000
They can press star 6 to join the meeting.

1695
02:32:29,000 --> 02:32:42,640
If they have the link, I was in communication with them, not a couple hours ago, and they were planning to join the meeting at nine, and I don't know what the problem is.

1696
02:32:42,640 --> 02:32:43,500
Weather conditions.

1697
02:32:43,960 --> 02:32:49,080
But they're willing to go with whichever setback you want, and whichever signs.

1698
02:32:49,980 --> 02:32:50,640
All right.

1699
02:32:50,740 --> 02:32:53,980
There are other issues after trying to.

1700
02:32:53,980 --> 02:32:58,440
Board members any other comments before somebody makes a motion.

1701
02:32:59,260 --> 02:33:00,080
All right, could I have a motion,

1702
02:33:06,250 --> 02:33:07,270
please? Mr. Rice?

1703
02:33:13,750 --> 02:33:20,430
I'm also, I'm also going to prove the 70 foot set back and I don't have a problem with either sign. What can I have the option?

1704
02:33:23,280 --> 02:33:25,060
All right, do I have a second?

1705
02:33:29,880 --> 02:33:31,900
Bows for a second. Thank you.

1706
02:33:33,890 --> 02:33:43,230
I've been moved by Mr. Rice, saying that by Mr. Faust, there was an amendment for the 70 foot set back and to give the bank the option of either sign.

1707
02:33:43,230 --> 02:33:46,870
as long as they're met with staffs, recommendations,

1708
02:33:49,750 --> 02:33:51,350
could you please call them all?

1709
02:33:51,590 --> 02:33:56,690
Mr. Colt, I just also would remind everyone since this is, over to the AirB first, sorry.

1710
02:33:56,910 --> 02:33:58,650
I'll say where we get to the minimum to development plan.

1711
02:33:58,730 --> 02:34:01,890
We just need to remember there's variants associated with that.

1712
02:34:03,490 --> 02:34:06,210
Um, with that, this is Holcomb?

1713
02:34:07,230 --> 02:34:07,490
Yes.

1714
02:34:08,230 --> 02:34:08,810
Mrs. Hines?

1715
02:34:09,650 --> 02:34:09,910
Yes.

1716
02:34:10,350 --> 02:34:10,910
Mr. Schuster?

1717
02:34:11,890 --> 02:34:12,190
Yes.

1718
02:34:12,190 --> 02:34:24,170
Mr. Rice? Yes. Mr. Faust? Yes. And Mr. Culture? Yes, that's passed. Now moving on to municipal planning

1719
02:34:24,170 --> 02:34:28,370
commission under unfinished business. The first thing that we will address is the amendment

1720
02:34:28,370 --> 02:34:34,090
to the development plan. It's for a new building at 6700 north-high street. It's application

1721
02:34:34,090 --> 02:34:41,530
to 80p 0, 7 batch, 20, 21, is there any further discussion that we need to have on that?

1722
02:34:41,810 --> 02:34:48,190
I would just highlight the variances again, that's for placement of the building in the required

1723
02:34:48,190 --> 02:34:57,050
front and side yards, that's the south side, and it will be if you're seeing that you're

1724
02:34:57,050 --> 02:35:04,690
of the sign-with-out-the-side columns, but the one with the plain brick base that is

1725
02:35:04,690 --> 02:35:07,930
a slightly larger than what code would allow.

1726
02:35:10,970 --> 02:35:12,470
Any further discussion?

1727
02:35:17,130 --> 02:35:18,370
Can I have a motion please?

1728
02:35:29,930 --> 02:35:31,390
Mr. Rice, you still wear this?

1729
02:35:31,570 --> 02:35:32,930
I'm looking forward to asking it.

1730
02:35:33,010 --> 02:35:33,830
Thank you.

1731
02:35:35,070 --> 02:35:39,570
The amendment to the development plan motion that could request by William Arbelly,

1732
02:35:39,570 --> 02:35:56,490
architect for an amendment to development plan, approval to construct a new building for LCNB at 6760700 North High Street S for Case Number ADP 07-2021 Drawings Number ADP 07-21

1733
02:35:56,490 --> 02:36:06,270
twenty twenty one dated October the 14th twenty twenty one to be recommended to the city council for approval and based on the planning goals of the city as reference in a land use plan

1734
02:36:06,270 --> 02:36:11,550
the land use plans and the findings affecting the approaches of the staff memo and

1735
02:36:11,550 --> 02:36:15,830
and presented at the beginning and also a 70 foot we're going to agree on a 70

1736
02:36:15,830 --> 02:36:24,370
foot setback and the sign without the columns is that what we're saying or without the

1737
02:36:24,370 --> 02:36:25,190
columns.

1738
02:36:27,410 --> 02:36:29,850
Is that correct? Yes, man. Correct.

1739
02:36:32,290 --> 02:36:34,810
That there will be a variance for the size required.

1740
02:36:35,610 --> 02:36:36,090
Okay.

1741
02:36:37,710 --> 02:36:38,970
All right, do I have a second?

1742
02:36:41,300 --> 02:36:42,140
Bows full second.

1743
02:36:43,400 --> 02:36:44,360
Thank you.

1744
02:36:45,180 --> 02:36:47,580
It's been moved by Mrs. Holcomb as amended.

1745
02:36:48,300 --> 02:36:49,820
And the second by Mr. Faust.

1746
02:36:49,920 --> 02:36:51,500
Could you please call the roll?

1747
02:36:51,780 --> 02:36:52,260
Mr. Race.

1748
02:36:54,220 --> 02:36:54,420
Yes.

1749
02:36:55,240 --> 02:36:55,860
Mrs. Holcomb?

1750
02:36:56,500 --> 02:36:56,740
Yes.

1751
02:36:57,220 --> 02:36:57,780
Mr. Faust?

1752
02:36:58,340 --> 02:36:58,560
Yes.

1753
02:36:58,940 --> 02:36:59,420
Mr. Colter.

1754
02:37:00,040 --> 02:37:00,380
Yes.

1755
02:37:01,060 --> 02:37:01,560
It's past.

1756
02:37:01,820 --> 02:37:02,600
Thank you.

1757
02:37:03,340 --> 02:37:05,460
We'll move on to the next item for the bank.

1758
02:37:05,460 --> 02:37:10,160
It's conditional use permit for a drive-in bank at 6700 North High Street.

1759
02:37:10,160 --> 02:37:13,660
It's application CUs 07-2021.

1760
02:37:14,480 --> 02:37:19,020
I don't think we need a lot of discussions as we talked about this for several meetings.

1761
02:37:19,200 --> 02:37:20,180
We know what it's going to be.

1762
02:37:20,300 --> 02:37:21,820
So could I have a motion please?

1763
02:37:22,320 --> 02:37:24,780
Unless anybody has something, they want to say.

1764
02:37:26,640 --> 02:37:28,940
Now Mr. Chairman, sir.

1765
02:37:30,000 --> 02:37:59,980
Mr. Rice seems to have a lot of background noise every time he comes on. I would go ahead and did his place and make the motion to read the three-quest by William Belly Architect for a conditional use permit while a drive in bank of 167 Northeastern, as the case number C is 07, 2021, drawings, number C is 07, 07, 2021, dated October 14th of 2021. The approach based on the planning goals of the city is referenced in the land use.

1766
02:38:00,000 --> 02:38:05,360
plans and the findings of fact and conclusions and staff on low and presented at the media.

1767
02:38:06,000 --> 02:38:07,420
Thank you. Do I have a second?

1768
02:38:08,980 --> 02:38:09,620
Kevin Hawkins.

1769
02:38:13,250 --> 02:38:14,730
It's been moved by Mr. Cast.

1770
02:38:14,870 --> 02:38:17,270
Second, my Mrs. Hawkins. Could you please call the roll?

1771
02:38:17,770 --> 02:38:18,290
Mr. Rice.

1772
02:38:19,830 --> 02:38:21,150
Yes. Mrs. Hawkins?

1773
02:38:21,870 --> 02:38:23,050
Yes. Mr. Faust?

1774
02:38:23,850 --> 02:38:24,150
Yes.

1775
02:38:24,710 --> 02:38:25,030
Mr. Colter.

1776
02:38:25,610 --> 02:38:26,390
Yes. It's past.

1777
02:38:26,550 --> 02:38:27,310
Thank you, everyone.

1778
02:38:29,450 --> 02:38:34,410
That includes all of our business and the unfinished business for municipal planning

1779
02:38:34,410 --> 02:38:34,910
commission.

1780
02:38:35,150 --> 02:38:39,390
We'll now move on to municipal planning commission for new business and, surprisingly,

1781
02:38:39,510 --> 02:38:40,330
it's a subdivision.

1782
02:38:41,210 --> 02:38:43,070
It's preliminary in final class,

1783
02:38:43,450 --> 02:38:45,350
6700, or a high street.

1784
02:38:45,590 --> 02:38:50,930
It's application SUV 007 and 08-2021.

1785
02:38:53,670 --> 02:38:57,890
So this original parcel has nine taxing parcels,

1786
02:38:57,890 --> 02:39:07,350
But because all of them were under common ownership in 1971, under our code, we have considered that this as all-one parcel.

1787
02:39:09,170 --> 02:39:17,570
So what they are asking to do is take this larger parcel that you see here and divide it into two separate lots.

1788
02:39:17,570 --> 02:39:25,430
lot one is made up of two parcels that are down on that south end for LCND and then lot

1789
02:39:25,430 --> 02:39:31,950
two would be the rest of it. So seven other lots and this is what the final plot looks like.

1790
02:39:32,290 --> 02:39:47,550
Both lots meet our code requirements for a lot with EMLOT area and so we think this is a good way to

1791
02:39:47,550 --> 02:39:54,990
get this cleaned up, and they know they want to be able to transfer this parcel to LCNB.

1792
02:39:57,400 --> 02:40:00,680
So that's the main driver behind this.

1793
02:40:00,960 --> 02:40:02,640
All right.

1794
02:40:03,680 --> 02:40:06,060
I assume the bank isn't with us yet.

1795
02:40:06,700 --> 02:40:10,660
Mr. Myers, the property owner, I believe this is in the call.

1796
02:40:12,620 --> 02:40:14,400
Mr. Myers, are you with us?

1797
02:40:18,300 --> 02:40:18,960
I tell

1798
02:40:21,810 --> 02:40:25,270
someone, I must be Scott Meyer.

1799
02:40:25,870 --> 02:40:28,830
Well, this is Bob Meyer.

1800
02:40:30,430 --> 02:40:31,930
This is Bob Meyer.

1801
02:40:32,770 --> 02:40:34,030
And I am on telephone.

1802
02:40:34,250 --> 02:40:37,330
I haven't been able to get in on my iPad.

1803
02:40:37,950 --> 02:40:42,250
So I think I have maybe the problem with the bank representative as well.

1804
02:40:42,330 --> 02:40:44,150
But I'm down on the Gulf Coast.

1805
02:40:44,290 --> 02:40:49,230
I thought it might be in my geographic dilemma.

1806
02:40:49,230 --> 02:40:51,090
But I'm here by telephone.

1807
02:40:51,850 --> 02:40:57,650
All right. Well, I don't know if you've heard the other parts of the municipal planning

1808
02:40:57,650 --> 02:41:03,130
commission in ARP that we've already talked about, but all of them have passed so far.

1809
02:41:03,370 --> 02:41:05,790
So the only thing that we're left is the subdivision.

1810
02:41:07,770 --> 02:41:08,990
But everything else is.

1811
02:41:09,170 --> 02:41:14,080
I have been able to hear that.

1812
02:41:14,080 --> 02:41:21,860
And we also, Dan O'Hare is perhaps on the telephonic line, and I believe our engineering

1813
02:41:21,860 --> 02:41:27,900
represented it as well, and Drew Myers, I believe, is telephonicly, but I think they all

1814
02:41:27,900 --> 02:41:32,260
had some difficulty getting into the Zoom conference.

1815
02:41:34,220 --> 02:41:40,260
Let's see if any members of the commission have any questions that we may need clarification on.

1816
02:41:40,260 --> 02:41:43,420
I think when did it a pretty good job of describing issues

1817
02:41:43,420 --> 02:41:46,480
as it currently is today and in what everybody was working

1818
02:41:46,480 --> 02:41:47,640
to get towards?

1819
02:41:48,640 --> 02:41:51,500
So does anybody on the board or the commission

1820
02:41:51,500 --> 02:41:55,260
have any questions for Mr. Myers or any of his other folks?

1821
02:41:59,470 --> 02:42:02,970
Now, okay, not here in any questions, Mr. Gantar,

1822
02:42:03,150 --> 02:42:06,390
have we had any emails concerning this application this evening?

1823
02:42:06,950 --> 02:42:09,430
We have not received any emails, sir.

1824
02:42:09,730 --> 02:42:10,670
Okay, thank you.

1825
02:42:10,670 --> 02:42:14,330
Not here in any questions or having any emails?

1826
02:42:14,610 --> 02:42:16,450
Could I have a motion please?

1827
02:42:17,570 --> 02:42:21,430
Mr. Chairman, I'm with a three-quest by Advanced Civil Design Inc.

1828
02:42:21,510 --> 02:42:26,930
For approval to submit sub-divided property at 6,700, North High Street, as for case number,

1829
02:42:27,350 --> 02:42:35,590
SUV 07-2021, Drawing Sumber, SUV 07-2021, dated September 30th, 2021.

1830
02:42:35,850 --> 02:42:40,150
We recommend it to the City Council for the approval based on the Penningles of the City

1831
02:42:40,150 --> 02:42:45,470
Yes, reference in the land use plans and the findings affecting conclusions of staff memo and presented at the meeting.

1832
02:42:46,190 --> 02:42:46,370
Thank you.

1833
02:42:46,370 --> 02:42:47,170
Do I have a second?

1834
02:42:51,580 --> 02:42:52,620
Pause for a second.

1835
02:42:54,640 --> 02:42:55,600
Thank you.

1836
02:42:55,620 --> 02:42:56,800
Fiddle by Mrs. Hulcomb.

1837
02:42:57,040 --> 02:42:58,220
Second by Mr. Faust.

1838
02:42:58,380 --> 02:42:59,700
Could you please call the roll?

1839
02:43:00,240 --> 02:43:00,760
Mr. Rice.

1840
02:43:02,700 --> 02:43:02,960
Yes.

1841
02:43:04,740 --> 02:43:05,400
Mr. Faust?

1842
02:43:06,020 --> 02:43:06,280
Yes.

1843
02:43:06,740 --> 02:43:07,320
Mrs. Hulcomb?

1844
02:43:08,160 --> 02:43:08,480
Yes.

1845
02:43:08,920 --> 02:43:09,440
Mr. Colter.

1846
02:43:10,160 --> 02:43:11,020
Yes, it's past.

1847
02:43:11,020 --> 02:43:15,780
Mr. Myers, you were successful tonight for everything that you've requested, so we look forward

1848
02:43:15,780 --> 02:43:19,700
to the development of the project in the L.C. and moving across the street.

1849
02:43:22,280 --> 02:43:28,580
Well, thank you all very much, staff and everyone. You've all worked very hard on this. There's been a

1850
02:43:28,580 --> 02:43:34,700
lot involved and I thank you all very much. Thank you, sir. Thank you, sir.

1851
02:43:34,700 --> 02:43:38,740
That concludes all of our, yes, sir. Sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt you. I will say all

1852
02:43:38,740 --> 02:43:45,180
the limited development plan with variances and the subdivision will need to go on to city council

1853
02:43:45,180 --> 02:43:49,900
so it'll likely go to city council at their November

1854
02:43:49,900 --> 02:43:52,240
chronicle the dates real quick

1855
02:43:52,240 --> 02:43:54,900
possibly their November 15th

1856
02:43:55,940 --> 02:44:02,000
meeting at the earliest or their December 6 meeting but hopefully their December or their November 15th meeting

1857
02:44:02,540 --> 02:44:06,760
okay is there anything that they need to submit or is it just

1858
02:44:07,380 --> 02:44:10,880
getting all the paperwork, and that would be good to go.

1859
02:44:11,320 --> 02:44:12,860
All right, thank you.

1860
02:44:13,640 --> 02:44:16,980
That concludes all of the business of the municipal planning commission for new

1861
02:44:16,980 --> 02:44:17,420
business.

1862
02:44:17,840 --> 02:44:21,520
Is there anything else to come in front of the board or commission tonight?

1863
02:44:22,360 --> 02:44:23,080
Yes, sir.

1864
02:44:24,320 --> 02:44:24,360
All right.

1865
02:44:24,580 --> 02:44:26,500
Could I have a motion to adjourn, please?

1866
02:44:28,220 --> 02:44:29,120
So moved.

1867
02:44:29,720 --> 02:44:30,160
Okay.

1868
02:44:31,180 --> 02:44:31,480
Okay.

1869
02:44:31,760 --> 02:44:33,100
It's been moved by Mr. Faust.

1870
02:44:33,300 --> 02:44:34,380
Seconded by Mr. Solcoming.

1871
02:44:34,460 --> 02:44:36,020
All those in favor say aye.

1872
02:44:37,760 --> 02:44:39,320
All right, we are adjourned.

1873
02:44:39,520 --> 02:44:42,840
I just wanted to thank anybody for the discussion that we had on lifestyle.

1874
02:44:44,740 --> 02:44:47,360
Hopefully they got some clear information.

1875
02:44:47,640 --> 02:44:50,480
And it'll be up to City Council where they want to go.

1876
02:44:51,260 --> 02:44:51,980
Thank you, everyone.

1877
02:44:53,060 --> 02:44:53,420
Thank you.