1 00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:07,600 To the flag of the United States of 2 00:00:07,600 --> 00:00:10,400 America and to the republic for which it 3 00:00:10,400 --> 00:00:13,679 stands, one nation under God, 4 00:00:13,679 --> 00:00:16,080 indivisible, with liberty and justice 5 00:00:16,080 --> 00:00:19,830 for all. 6 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:23,109 » All right, 7 00:00:23,119 --> 00:00:25,920 let's see. We start off u everyone have 8 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:28,640 a chance to look at the February minutes 9 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:40,790 corrections additions off 10 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:42,320 » I 11 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:48,869 so 12 00:00:48,879 --> 00:00:52,559 item A we're going to hear from Robert 13 00:00:52,559 --> 00:00:53,600 is that correct 14 00:00:53,600 --> 00:01:06,070 Yes. 15 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:09,040 » Um, this is this is a a pretty simple 16 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:12,479 text amendment to adjust the existing uh 17 00:01:12,479 --> 00:01:16,400 chapter 92.12 or 91.12 to establish a 18 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:18,240 one-year pilot program for dogs on the 19 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:20,560 beach. Uh the amend the amendment keeps 20 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:22,479 the seasonal restriction structure, but 21 00:01:22,479 --> 00:01:26,720 it adds a limited uh morning window to 22 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:31,600 uh the dates for leash dogs um in the 23 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:33,759 mornings. Um so the current the current 24 00:01:33,759 --> 00:01:35,920 ordinance um prohibits the dogs on 25 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:38,079 public beaches from April 1st through 26 00:01:38,079 --> 00:01:42,240 September 30th and allows for leash uh 27 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:45,360 dogs from October 1 through March 31st. 28 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:48,880 Um, I prepared this um, revision with 29 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:51,920 the notes that came um, these were just 30 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:54,479 notes that came out of the meeting. As 31 00:01:54,479 --> 00:01:57,280 far as I can tell, there was the 32 00:01:57,280 --> 00:01:58,960 committee meeting where the park rangers 33 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:03,040 involved, members of the public, they spoke about what they wanted to 34 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:06,560 change and uh, essentially received a 35 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:10,319 bullet pointed memo uh, and uh, with 36 00:02:10,319 --> 00:02:12,879 some proposed changes to essentially add 37 00:02:12,879 --> 00:02:16,319 this pilot program. uh with us um with 38 00:02:16,319 --> 00:02:18,879 what I'm guessing is the support of uh 39 00:02:18,879 --> 00:02:21,040 the park ranger um because he was 40 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:22,879 involved in those meetings. I'm sure 41 00:02:22,879 --> 00:02:24,319 some people from the planning board was 42 00:02:24,319 --> 00:02:27,599 on this committee as well. Um thank you. 43 00:02:27,599 --> 00:02:30,000 >> Yeah. And you so you were there. You 44 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:31,599 could probably speak to it better than I 45 00:02:31,599 --> 00:02:34,480 can. Um so basically this revises the 46 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:36,480 season restriction dates from April 2nd 47 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:39,120 to September 29th and allows dogs on the 48 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:41,440 public beach between 6:00 a.m. and 9:00 49 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:45,280 a.m. during that period. Um, it revises 50 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:47,599 the leashed uh dog season to September 51 00:02:47,599 --> 00:02:51,040 29th to April 20 I mean to April 2nd 52 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:53,440 which is just a one day change. I'm not 53 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:59,110 really sure why that was changed. 54 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:01,440 » That's what I got from the notes. So 55 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:03,680 that's what I in your strike through 56 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:06,400 underline. Um, so it does establish a 57 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:09,120 yearround uh uh let's see, establishes 58 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:11,440 yearround dog free beach areas from 59 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:14,560 beach access 42, which I believe is just 60 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:17,599 north of Shell Island and beach access 61 00:03:17,599 --> 00:03:21,040 2. Um, which 62 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:24,720 I'm I was thinking about this today. Um 63 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:27,360 the justification for that is at beach 64 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:29,840 access one you have the bird sanctuary 65 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:31,519 which is all the south end and then 66 00:03:31,519 --> 00:03:36,319 beyond 42 what? North 67 00:03:36,319 --> 00:03:38,319 the north. So one is at the north end. 68 00:03:38,319 --> 00:03:42,000 Oh so I got it backwards. So 42 um 69 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:44,959 basically it precludes anything in the 70 00:03:44,959 --> 00:03:47,280 bird sanctuary which is on the south end 71 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:49,519 and anything north of Shell Island but 72 00:03:49,519 --> 00:03:50,879 then you get into the channel and 73 00:03:50,879 --> 00:03:54,159 whatnot over there. Um, 74 00:03:54,159 --> 00:03:58,550 so 75 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:01,439 » Right. Exactly. Um, so it adds a civil 76 00:04:01,439 --> 00:04:05,599 penalty uh $500 per uh violation up from 77 00:04:05,599 --> 00:04:08,560 the existing $250 78 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:12,879 um and adopts uh division BCH H&I as a 79 00:04:12,879 --> 00:04:15,200 temporary pilot program. Those are just 80 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:17,519 the the amendments. So, what I added 81 00:04:17,519 --> 00:04:19,280 here 82 00:04:19,280 --> 00:04:24,080 in your packet is the notes uh for the 83 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:27,360 dogs and the beach January 20th, 2026 84 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:30,320 um which outlines the ordinance changes, 85 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:32,400 the communication efforts, uh the 86 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:34,639 amenity improvements and volunteer 87 00:04:34,639 --> 00:04:38,479 support and and challenges etc. 88 00:04:38,479 --> 00:04:41,199 So what I included was the original 89 00:04:41,199 --> 00:04:43,600 ordinance as written directly out of our 90 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:48,629 book uh adopted 2012 91 00:04:48,639 --> 00:04:52,320 and the last amendment was actually 2019 92 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:55,360 because that's when we readopted uh the 93 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:57,759 wings. Uh I added the strike through 94 00:04:57,759 --> 00:04:59,680 underline so you can see what has 95 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:01,759 actually changed. That's on page 11 of 96 00:05:01,759 --> 00:05:06,629 your packet. Um, 97 00:05:06,639 --> 00:05:08,960 it's not a lot, but it does add some 98 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:11,199 provisions for a little bit more freedom 99 00:05:11,199 --> 00:05:14,160 of warnings. 100 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:15,919 >> Just keep going. The number is kind of 101 00:05:15,919 --> 00:05:19,430 strange. 102 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:21,360 » Okay. 103 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:25,199 >> Yeah. Looks like your age you would have 104 00:05:25,199 --> 00:05:28,639 been from 10 to 12 to 13- 105 00:05:28,639 --> 00:05:32,880 >> for 11D. Has anybody ever had a snake? 106 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:33,680 Yes. 107 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:34,400 >> I don't know. 108 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:37,199 >> Yes, I've seen it. 109 00:05:37,199 --> 00:05:39,360 >> Wrapped all around. 110 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:41,680 >> 11de 111 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:42,160 snake. 112 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:43,280 >> Oh no. 113 00:05:43,280 --> 00:05:47,120 >> Many years ago chickens in here. 114 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:48,639 >> I don't remember the snake. 115 00:05:48,639 --> 00:05:53,440 >> Um so H, I and J are new sections 116 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:57,360 completely. And then there are some 117 00:05:57,360 --> 00:06:01,600 pretty simple amendments to B and C. 118 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:03,120 um in your strike through underline 119 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:05,520 version and then I always include the 120 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:07,360 new version of just what it looks like 121 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:09,759 once it's finished. Um so if there's any 122 00:06:09,759 --> 00:06:12,000 mistakes in there, we can adjust it 123 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:14,639 before it gets to the board of aldermen. 124 00:06:14,639 --> 00:06:18,000 Um that's all I have. So this is uh your 125 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:20,880 discussion. Um 126 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:22,400 so I think what we can do is I know Doug 127 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:26,080 Wilson's here. So let him talk for 128 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:28,080 you want to say something for a minute. 129 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:30,639 >> Yes. Appreciate And then we'll then 130 00:06:30,639 --> 00:06:31,759 we'll have a good discussion. 131 00:06:31,759 --> 00:06:33,360 >> Sure. 132 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:34,400 Sounds good. 133 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:37,440 >> I'm trying to limit it. I 134 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:39,360 There was a famous old judge in western 135 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:41,120 North Carolina 136 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:42,800 who is known for repeating at the 137 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:45,360 beginning of every court calendar. 138 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:49,360 Revity is prized above all else. 139 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:50,960 >> Give us the cliffs version. 140 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:55,360 >> Okay. Uh appreciate it. generally uh 141 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:59,039 background I started this petition drive 142 00:06:59,039 --> 00:07:01,440 almost three years ago so the signs 143 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:04,880 you've seen petitions etc uh with 144 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:07,039 talking with other folks because a lot 145 00:07:07,039 --> 00:07:08,880 of people expressed interest in in 146 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:11,360 opening this up we found out every other 147 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:12,880 beach town in North Carolina South 148 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:16,160 Carolina had some provision in fact 149 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:17,680 pretty much up and down the whole east 150 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:21,360 coast so we started this last December 151 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:24,479 and I'm going to submit I'm Sorry, I 152 00:07:24,479 --> 00:07:26,800 actually had no notice that this period 153 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:33,440 is going to take place tonight uh with uh this agenda. Um 154 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:37,520 I submitted to the um 155 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:39,360 board and I'm going to put this in your 156 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:41,680 record because I referred to it a little 157 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:44,000 bit. This has all the beach town rules 158 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:46,319 for North and South Carolina. Has 159 00:07:46,319 --> 00:07:48,720 interviews with uh town managers with 160 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:52,000 Sullivan Island, etc. also has names and 161 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:55,120 addresses of 166 registered citizens who 162 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:57,599 signed the petition. 163 00:07:57,599 --> 00:07:59,840 Want to mention two things. One, Robert, 164 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:04,240 on the uh amend amendment itself, I 165 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:11,670 think you also need to amend um 166 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:14,319 91.02. 167 00:08:14,319 --> 00:08:16,639 Uh that's the uh definitions and that 168 00:08:16,639 --> 00:08:18,400 includes a nuisance and includes 169 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:21,280 reference to dogs over the summer. I 170 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:24,000 think that needs to be 171 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:26,319 modified as well so it's in accordance 172 00:08:26,319 --> 00:08:31,430 with the text of 173 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:33,760 um 174 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:36,959 and uh secondly 175 00:08:36,959 --> 00:08:40,800 and I may have been confused. I would 176 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:45,200 suggest I didn't understand that the 177 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:48,080 putting off the north and south ends was 178 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:50,080 year round. I thought it was for the 179 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:52,640 season April one. I may have 180 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:56,399 misunderstood you did, but I suggest at 181 00:08:56,399 --> 00:08:59,279 least others I suggest you consider 182 00:08:59,279 --> 00:09:03,920 that. Um I mean from say people can't go 183 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:06,000 out in November and December and 184 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:07,600 January. 185 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:10,640 there very few people anyway. But I 186 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:13,200 really think uh I misunderstood that and 187 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:16,640 I suggest uh that you consider changing 188 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:20,399 that. And last thing I want to say is 189 00:09:20,399 --> 00:09:24,480 um just express there a lot of public 190 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:27,120 support for this. You understand this. 191 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:30,000 Um I did emphasize the other beach 192 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:32,560 towns. I know Jim and I disagreed a 193 00:09:32,560 --> 00:09:34,000 little bit about the importance of those 194 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:36,640 in our committee meetings, but I do know 195 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:38,880 that uh some of the board has mentioned 196 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:40,959 that last year when they started this 197 00:09:40,959 --> 00:09:43,360 committee mentioned the importance of 198 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:45,440 other details and what what they were 199 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:57,430 doing with it. With that all 200 00:09:57,440 --> 00:10:00,000 » what were you saying about um amending 201 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:01,839 what were you saying the last thing you 202 00:10:01,839 --> 00:10:03,920 said about 203 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:05,360 >> what I'm sorry 204 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:07,839 >> the text amendment 205 00:10:07,839 --> 00:10:14,000 amends um the numbers amends 91.12 206 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:16,959 dogs on the beach to the what what the 207 00:10:16,959 --> 00:10:20,640 text me says mornings uh 6 a.m. to 9:00 208 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:21,120 a.m. 209 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:23,519 >> You want that to be around? 210 00:10:23,519 --> 00:10:26,480 >> No, ma'am. That's fine. What I'm saying 211 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:29,040 is there is another provision in the 212 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:30,640 ordinance 213 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:33,200 uh 91.02 214 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:36,160 under definitions. It also includes that 215 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:40,079 prohibition for dogs completely April 216 00:10:40,079 --> 00:10:42,160 one. So it's in it's in conflict with 217 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:45,440 the text. Now you're saying you need to 218 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:48,240 make sure that both 219 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:51,120 >> Yeah, it's a different it's a different chapter altogether. 220 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:52,880 What he's saying is there's two separate 221 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:54,880 um there's two separate ordinances that 222 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:56,720 sort of conflict in language with each 223 00:10:56,720 --> 00:10:58,880 other. And that's fine. That's that's a 224 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:03,200 relative easy easy change. And I'll just 225 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:05,279 remind you that whenever it comes to two 226 00:11:05,279 --> 00:11:07,120 conflicting ordinances, you always go 227 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:10,160 with the most restrictive one. Right. 228 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:14,000 But that's my point. Yeah. 229 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:16,560 >> Okay. 230 00:11:16,560 --> 00:11:20,389 I got you. 231 00:11:20,399 --> 00:11:22,160 » So, let's have a conversation among the 232 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:24,399 board. We've heard from Mr. Wilson. 233 00:11:24,399 --> 00:11:28,870 Obviously, he was 234 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:30,959 no clarification. One of the things I 235 00:11:30,959 --> 00:11:33,760 want to say is I'm in Sullivan's Island 236 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:37,040 every week. Every week I'm leaving. I 237 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:39,920 have had it all. There's a huge 238 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:42,240 difference between Sullivan's Island is 239 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:44,880 Palm and Rice Beach. South Carolina 240 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:47,440 beaches are extremely wide. I mean, you 241 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:49,839 can walk whatever even in the summer 242 00:11:49,839 --> 00:11:51,200 except when you get right in the middle 243 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:54,880 of Palm down with the villages there. is 244 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:58,160 a little crowded, but 245 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:01,680 there's a ton of beach and so you you 246 00:12:01,680 --> 00:12:03,600 can't compare right to the beach that is 247 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:06,320 so crowded that you can't even I don't 248 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:08,240 walk out there right across the street 249 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:10,399 because there's no room on that beach 250 00:12:10,399 --> 00:12:13,360 and and and then and I did a ride ride 251 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:15,519 along in side by side not long ago and 252 00:12:15,519 --> 00:12:18,639 even at 6:30 at night in the summer that 253 00:12:18,639 --> 00:12:21,519 beach is still crowded. Um the questions 254 00:12:21,519 --> 00:12:23,600 I I am concerned about is who's going to 255 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:26,240 enforce this is you know our beach is 256 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:29,440 still over how long it is 257 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:32,720 from end to end and I don't know Scott 258 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:34,639 still 259 00:12:34,639 --> 00:12:38,399 okay so it's between two men be up and 260 00:12:38,399 --> 00:12:42,720 down the beach who and and I and 261 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:44,560 Sullivan's island they are on that beach 262 00:12:44,560 --> 00:12:46,959 with their four by 4x4 side by sides 263 00:12:46,959 --> 00:12:50,639 water 24/7 up and down I If you even 264 00:12:50,639 --> 00:12:54,320 step through that beach, they they dog 265 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:55,839 when it's not allowed. Each beach is 266 00:12:55,839 --> 00:12:58,000 different. Palm's dog hours are 267 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:00,720 different from some but you walk the 268 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:03,440 line cross the line right into up from 269 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:04,720 Isa Pal. You don't even know you're in 270 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:07,279 it. So they are they you can see them 271 00:13:07,279 --> 00:13:09,519 coming and they're like this up and down 272 00:13:09,519 --> 00:13:13,040 and it's a much larger beach. So there's 273 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:15,920 a ton of room for dogs and they don't. 274 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:18,160 So I want to know how is this going to 275 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:21,760 look in the summer noise 276 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:24,320 when people outstay 277 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:26,880 their time 278 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:29,920 is it not how how is that going to look 279 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:32,399 and who's going to police it and who's 280 00:13:32,399 --> 00:13:35,040 going to stop the people that dig a hole 281 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:36,639 to cover their waist as opposed to 282 00:13:36,639 --> 00:13:40,320 picking it up because I see that happen 283 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:42,079 and I know people that do it. I mean I 284 00:13:42,079 --> 00:13:43,839 yell at them all the time. I want to 285 00:13:43,839 --> 00:13:46,160 know how to enforce it. Who's going to 286 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:49,680 clean up? People that don't pick up. I'm 287 00:13:49,680 --> 00:13:52,880 not. I mean, who's how is this going to 288 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:54,240 look? 289 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:58,240 >> How many citations were there last year? 290 00:13:58,240 --> 00:13:59,519 Just you have any idea? 291 00:13:59,519 --> 00:14:02,240 >> I have no idea. That's uh that will go 292 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:04,320 through the police department now that 293 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:06,160 uh the park rangers are attached to the 294 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:08,079 police department. And do the park 295 00:14:08,079 --> 00:14:10,399 rangers write those or can police write 296 00:14:10,399 --> 00:14:13,440 those or can ocean rescue write those? 297 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:15,519 >> Uh the majority is going to be written 298 00:14:15,519 --> 00:14:18,320 by Chad and the park rangers. Probably 299 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:20,399 not. Ocean rescue will not. 300 00:14:20,399 --> 00:14:22,959 >> What time do the park rangers start each 301 00:14:22,959 --> 00:14:23,360 day? 302 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:25,440 >> They have different schedules. They in 303 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:27,120 summer they may start at 6. 304 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:28,880 >> Okay. So there is somebody out 305 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:30,399 >> sometimes they'll stay a little bit 306 00:14:30,399 --> 00:14:31,600 later sometimes. 307 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:34,720 >> Okay. And the other thing that that um 308 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:36,480 when I was riding along with one of the 309 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:38,160 police officers not long ago, there was 310 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:40,000 several dogs on the beach that that 311 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:41,839 afternoon. This was in the summer and it 312 00:14:41,839 --> 00:14:44,240 was several dogs. I mean, between them 313 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:47,279 her picking me up and us working our way 314 00:14:47,279 --> 00:14:49,519 down where there's no beach, the side by 315 00:14:49,519 --> 00:14:51,760 side can't even get over to the Mason 316 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:53,519 inlet because there's no beach. You have 317 00:14:53,519 --> 00:14:56,560 to go down a thing and and get up up 318 00:14:56,560 --> 00:14:59,920 back up to get over. And she stopped 319 00:14:59,920 --> 00:15:01,680 probably a half a dozen times that 320 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:03,360 people had dogs on the beach. And that 321 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:06,320 was when it were supposed to 322 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:10,320 happen. And some people had a bracelet 323 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:11,920 on that show that they had to have the 324 00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:14,160 service dog earlier. And one little 325 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:16,160 girl, young girl, she goes, "Oh, this is 326 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:18,639 my emotional support dog." Well, then 327 00:15:18,639 --> 00:15:20,079 the officer said, "Well, you've got to 328 00:15:20,079 --> 00:15:21,600 have service dog. We don't allow 329 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:23,519 emotional support dogs because there's a 330 00:15:23,519 --> 00:15:27,839 difference." and she and she made the 331 00:15:27,839 --> 00:15:32,320 young girl college age girl. So that so 332 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:35,040 my point about that is you my concern 333 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:37,279 and I know it's already written down 334 00:15:37,279 --> 00:15:39,519 when you've given it to take them out 335 00:15:39,519 --> 00:15:42,079 and all the years that I've been doing 336 00:15:42,079 --> 00:15:45,199 in Solomon's Island I see people pushing 337 00:15:45,199 --> 00:15:47,120 you know and are letting the dogs off 338 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:49,360 the leash and I see as many dogs off the 339 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:51,920 leash as I do until they get caught and 340 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:54,079 they get caught they they don't give 341 00:15:54,079 --> 00:15:56,880 them a break they So are we going to do 342 00:15:56,880 --> 00:15:59,440 that as a as a town is as are we going 343 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:02,240 to enforce it that way because if we 344 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:03,600 don't it's going to be like everything 345 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:05,040 else that doesn't get enforced and 346 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:06,399 there's no because right now with 347 00:16:06,399 --> 00:16:08,320 speeding tickets and noise violations if 348 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:09,920 you don't get in the pockets they're 349 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:12,560 going to keep doing it and I just I 350 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:14,560 don't know I just um I want to know how 351 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:15,759 it's going to how it's going to look how 352 00:16:15,759 --> 00:16:17,839 it's going to play out and you and you 353 00:16:17,839 --> 00:16:20,399 and if you do it for a year then you a 354 00:16:20,399 --> 00:16:22,000 year if it doesn't work out then you got 355 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:26,240 to start all over again start you know people not going to know they 356 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:28,399 want to fight at age it's just it's 357 00:16:28,399 --> 00:16:30,160 going to be 358 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:32,639 us. I think 359 00:16:32,639 --> 00:16:35,040 >> that's just my opinion. 360 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:36,720 >> Can I and maybe it's a question for you, 361 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:38,560 but because you were on the the 362 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:40,560 committee, but what are we trying to 363 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:43,600 solve for? Like is what was the problem 364 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:46,160 with the old ordinance that we're trying 365 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:48,720 to solve for here? Is it is it that 366 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:50,320 there are residents of Rightville Beach 367 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:53,360 that want more access with their dogs or 368 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:55,040 what is the problem? 369 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:56,560 >> Not just residents, it's people on the 370 00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:59,279 other side of the bridge as well. 371 00:16:59,279 --> 00:17:01,759 Yeah, that's my understanding though is 372 00:17:01,759 --> 00:17:05,280 um and I I quite honestly didn't 373 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:07,039 understand. Okay, we've been living with 374 00:17:07,039 --> 00:17:09,520 this ordinance for what did you say 375 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:11,600 Robert 2012 376 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:14,480 and then when it was revised in 2019, I 377 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:16,240 don't think the dogs on the beach 378 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:18,160 section was reviewed, it just went 379 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:20,799 through with the whole rescue ordinance. 380 00:17:20,799 --> 00:17:23,360 But we've been living with it this long 381 00:17:23,360 --> 00:17:27,760 and yes, people who want to walk their 382 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:31,039 dogs down the beach more uh have brought 383 00:17:31,039 --> 00:17:35,520 this forth and and so so so your 384 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:37,280 followup question was there any 385 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:41,039 consideration given to like I share some 386 00:17:41,039 --> 00:17:42,320 of William's concerns there's other 387 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:44,000 concern you know we don't need anything 388 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:46,320 else marine you know folks just coming 389 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:48,480 just to do that was there any 390 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:51,120 consideration giving to given to some 391 00:17:51,120 --> 00:17:52,960 sort of 392 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:57,039 resident pass to what we so it's just 393 00:17:57,039 --> 00:17:59,200 you know if we're talking about 166 394 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:00,880 people who live here that really want 395 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:02,559 access for a couple hours in the morning 396 00:18:02,559 --> 00:18:04,480 in the summer 397 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:06,400 is it worth opening the can of worms to 398 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:08,480 everyone I'm just throwing something out 399 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:10,799 for the board's consideration I just 400 00:18:10,799 --> 00:18:12,320 started thinking if the problem is we 401 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:14,240 want to help these residents get on the 402 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:18,000 beach in the summer then maybe we may 403 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:19,600 >> again you got to have somebody that's 404 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:20,480 monitor 405 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:22,080 Yeah, that's the one of the key things. 406 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:24,400 And I want to practice it because I want 407 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:26,080 to stay on the road. I love dogs 408 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:28,880 probably more than people. I love dogs, 409 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:31,200 but it's not their fault. It's the 410 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:32,880 owner's faults that aren't cleaning up. 411 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:35,120 I mean, I walk out and I see people in 412 00:18:35,120 --> 00:18:36,320 front of my house all the time heading 413 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:38,559 out and it was in the summer and you 414 00:18:38,559 --> 00:18:40,080 know when there's no dogs on the beach 415 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:41,520 and here they go with their dogs and 416 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:43,280 they got them in their bag, they've 417 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:45,360 hidden them here. I've seen it a million 418 00:18:45,360 --> 00:18:47,919 times. And so, it's not the dog's fault. 419 00:18:47,919 --> 00:18:49,600 It's the owner's fault. And then I knew 420 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:51,120 that every owner was going to come up 421 00:18:51,120 --> 00:18:54,160 there and clean up behind their dog and 422 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:57,440 not let that dog a get loose and you 423 00:18:57,440 --> 00:18:59,039 know y'all remember the guy on the loop 424 00:18:59,039 --> 00:19:01,760 with the bad dog that was so aggressive 425 00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:04,559 and people will complain the dog was 426 00:19:04,559 --> 00:19:06,400 dangerous and he didn't do he couldn't 427 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:08,320 hold the dog back. What happens when one 428 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:11,200 of those dogs and ends up on the beach 429 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:15,200 and bites a child or attacks child? 430 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:16,720 Because people got on the beach in the 431 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:18,559 summer when they know parking, they're 432 00:19:18,559 --> 00:19:20,960 out on that beach earlier, get to the 433 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:24,720 new parking spot. So it and again, it's 434 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:27,440 not the dog's fault. It's the owner's 435 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:30,000 fault. And I like I said, I think it's 436 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:32,960 we we're opening a big or a big can of 437 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:35,919 worms. I I was going to suggest that one 438 00:19:35,919 --> 00:19:37,200 of the things we could have done was add 439 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:40,480 a month instead of it ending dogs ending 440 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:43,760 on the beach October 1st. Why couldn't 441 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:50,240 we push it to November and start it and let it in other words when it ends 442 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:51,520 dogs are not going to have dogs on the 443 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:53,520 beach after April 1. What if we moved it 444 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:55,760 to May 1st before Memorial Day and then 445 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:58,480 gave them an extra month to get in add 446 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:02,720 two months to it and just do it in the 447 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:05,520 crazy busy time of the summer when that 448 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:07,360 beach is slam. You can't even walk 449 00:20:07,360 --> 00:20:08,960 there. 450 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:11,520 That would have made more sense to me. 451 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:15,440 what you add to the allowance. 452 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:17,120 >> Not 453 00:20:17,120 --> 00:20:18,000 year round, 454 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:20,799 >> but it's it's based on the nesting sea 455 00:20:20,799 --> 00:20:21,679 turtles. 456 00:20:21,679 --> 00:20:23,280 >> Well, I thought about that because they 457 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:25,120 don't nest. 458 00:20:25,120 --> 00:20:28,640 >> Not in in April, but they do. 459 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:30,159 >> It doesn't matter what the sea turtles 460 00:20:30,159 --> 00:20:30,480 get. 461 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:31,360 >> Yeah. 462 00:20:31,360 --> 00:20:35,669 >> If you open it up year round 463 00:20:35,679 --> 00:20:38,640 9:00 in the morning, 6 until 9 year 464 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:42,880 round. Turtles are messing too. 465 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:44,080 I'm not following that. 466 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:46,080 >> So what what she's saying is she instead 467 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:48,880 of doing a year round approach, put a 468 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:50,559 month on each side. So instead of 469 00:20:50,559 --> 00:20:53,360 starting October 1st through sorry, 470 00:20:53,360 --> 00:20:59,840 ending October 1st, ending or start dogs on the beach October 1st, end 471 00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:02,640 dogs on the beach April 30th. 472 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:05,679 >> Yeah. as just in the mornings. 473 00:21:05,679 --> 00:21:06,640 >> No, 474 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:08,159 >> he said he's he said take the current 475 00:21:08,159 --> 00:21:10,799 policy and give a month additional for 476 00:21:10,799 --> 00:21:12,880 dogs on leash dogs on the beach at any 477 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:14,960 time. Just just pull the pull the 478 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:16,799 >> That doesn't coincide with the nesting. 479 00:21:16,799 --> 00:21:18,880 Doesn't matter. 480 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:20,159 That's what they do. They dig up the 481 00:21:20,159 --> 00:21:20,640 nest. 482 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:22,320 >> But but listen, but what we're doing 483 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:24,480 right now is we're not even considering 484 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:26,240 sea turtles because you're doing year 485 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:27,120 round dogs on the beach 486 00:21:27,120 --> 00:21:28,080 >> on the morning. 487 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:29,440 >> Only in the morning. 488 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:31,520 >> Well, maybe in the morning just as well 489 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:34,559 as you're digging. Yeah. 490 00:21:34,559 --> 00:21:36,799 >> Well, that's that's the what we have to 491 00:21:36,799 --> 00:21:38,960 send a recommendation to the alderman 492 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:42,400 after listening to Matt, the um 493 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:45,760 gentleman who spoke at planning board. 494 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:48,640 >> I'm inclined to not do these revisions 495 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:50,080 at all. 496 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:52,400 >> I don't think we should do it. Um I've 497 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:56,240 had more calls about this issue. Um, we 498 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:59,280 have the ordinance, original ordinance 499 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:02,559 was written in 2012. 500 00:22:02,559 --> 00:22:04,640 So, what 501 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:06,640 >> 14 years ago? How many more people do we 502 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:07,919 have on the beach daily? 503 00:22:07,919 --> 00:22:08,960 >> A lot. 504 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:11,280 >> Number one. Of course, there's more a 505 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:14,640 lot more dogs, people. And and our town 506 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:16,880 manager started out the meeting. The 507 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:19,919 very first meeting we had, people's are 508 00:22:19,919 --> 00:22:22,640 much less responsible than they were 15, 509 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:24,559 20 years ago. They they don't care. 510 00:22:24,559 --> 00:22:25,280 >> They don't care. 511 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:26,799 >> I've been out on the beach during the 512 00:22:26,799 --> 00:22:29,280 daytime. And I've literally seen dogs 513 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:32,400 out there off leashes in the summertime 514 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:34,240 and they walk up and pee on people's 515 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:34,880 coolers. 516 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:35,200 >> Yeah. 517 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:37,360 >> They lick their leg. It's just 518 00:22:37,360 --> 00:22:38,400 disgusting. 519 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:40,400 >> And when somebody lets that dog run, if 520 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:41,760 you're sitting on the beach and they 521 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:44,320 come running up your chair and and you 522 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:48,159 know, it's got to be a dog. I love to 523 00:22:48,159 --> 00:22:50,480 take my dog out there, but come 524 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:52,400 springtime, I've got to retrain it. it 525 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:55,280 can't go out there anymore and it wants 526 00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:56,640 to go out but I'm not going to let it 527 00:22:56,640 --> 00:23:00,159 out there but I'm I'm just inclined like 528 00:23:00,159 --> 00:23:02,640 I agree with what what you said Leanne 529 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:06,320 is um they're not they're not going to 530 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:08,400 be it's going to be a problem 531 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:10,240 >> it's going to be a big problem but if 532 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:12,080 but I like I said I want to go back and 533 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:13,600 say it one more time just I think it 534 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:15,520 would be 535 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:18,880 a nice tradeoff to add a month that's 60 536 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:21,919 more days that just means that you you 537 00:23:21,919 --> 00:23:23,760 know, you couldn't have your your dog on 538 00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:26,240 the beach and you probably I would even 539 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:28,000 push it to Memorial Day, not wait 540 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:30,159 Memorial Day, but I wouldn't I'd say 541 00:23:30,159 --> 00:23:32,000 beginning of May, but that just means 542 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:35,360 May, June, July, and August. When does 543 00:23:35,360 --> 00:23:36,799 >> only four months out of the year, you 544 00:23:36,799 --> 00:23:38,640 can't have your dog that 545 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:40,080 >> this coincides with the current 546 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:42,720 ordinance, which is um 547 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:43,679 >> April 1st. 548 00:23:43,679 --> 00:23:45,520 >> April 1 is a start date. 549 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:46,159 >> Yeah. 550 00:23:46,159 --> 00:23:49,120 >> Okay. and then September 30th. But, uh, 551 00:23:49,120 --> 00:23:52,159 also Matt said that the, uh, then the 552 00:23:52,159 --> 00:23:54,400 hatchlings take 60 days, so they could 553 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:57,679 be out there, uh, hatching, um, as late 554 00:23:57,679 --> 00:24:00,559 as November 15th. Now, I did talk to 555 00:24:00,559 --> 00:24:04,400 Nancy Fe about it. Um and she said it's 556 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:07,760 rare that we've had hashlings that late 557 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:10,400 but um 558 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:12,400 you know other than that I I don't have 559 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:14,559 any you know I don't have any factual 560 00:24:14,559 --> 00:24:17,679 basis that said we should 561 00:24:17,679 --> 00:24:21,679 shorten it. Um the um the other issue 562 00:24:21,679 --> 00:24:23,840 that I think Leanne made a very good 563 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:26,400 point of and I made it the committee is 564 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:28,559 we cannot compare our beach to other 565 00:24:28,559 --> 00:24:30,480 beaches. We have different topography. 566 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:34,559 We have a startments. Um Shannon and 567 00:24:34,559 --> 00:24:36,480 Neil and I rode the beach the other 568 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:39,760 night for light pollution, which is 569 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:42,799 another subject. But um it took us an 570 00:24:42,799 --> 00:24:44,720 hour and a half to drive it. So we've 571 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:47,520 got Shannon out there who's going to 572 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:48,880 >> you got to navigate your way around 573 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:50,000 where there's beach and where there's 574 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:50,720 not. That 575 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:54,000 >> true. And um but all that being said, it 576 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,320 took us an hour and a half and we we 577 00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:58,480 weren't kind of hooking hoofing it. we 578 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:00,400 weren't really taking our time just, you 579 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:08,000 know, uh but um yeah, we can't we're narrow and and we've got the 580 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,480 escarments and the escarments do not 581 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:12,480 affect the nesting turtles. They come up 582 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:14,799 anyway and they nest in the escarment so 583 00:25:14,799 --> 00:25:17,919 they still come. Um 584 00:25:17,919 --> 00:25:19,840 and just another interesting fact, the 585 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:23,279 beach beachour does not seem to affect 586 00:25:23,279 --> 00:25:25,840 their habits either. they still come 587 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:28,159 after the beach announcement. 588 00:25:28,159 --> 00:25:30,320 But all that being said, I I mean, you 589 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:31,760 know, we we've got to send a 590 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:33,679 recommendation to the board and I guess 591 00:25:33,679 --> 00:25:34,640 we all have 592 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:36,480 >> another thing that she said that's true 593 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:39,679 is that people come really early now to 594 00:25:39,679 --> 00:25:41,120 get a spot 595 00:25:41,120 --> 00:25:43,360 >> and their family even with little 596 00:25:43,360 --> 00:25:46,799 children umbrellas and all the works. So 597 00:25:46,799 --> 00:25:48,400 they're coming much earlier than they 598 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:51,600 used to. Not only that, people who live 599 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:54,080 already along there go out early with 600 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:55,520 little children because of the sun 601 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:57,840 factor and there's lots of like we 602 00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:00,720 studied this 10 years ago or so. We did 603 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:03,120 this same round and it you know it's 604 00:26:03,120 --> 00:26:04,720 just so many little people out on the 605 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:07,039 beach early and and you know they do 606 00:26:07,039 --> 00:26:08,159 because their children they don't want 607 00:26:08,159 --> 00:26:09,760 their children in the heat of the sun 608 00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:11,360 and you know they do go out and I watch 609 00:26:11,360 --> 00:26:12,720 it because you know the house behind me 610 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:14,720 gets rained and I watch them going out 611 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:18,799 there early. So, you know, and again, I 612 00:26:18,799 --> 00:26:20,559 love I'm getting a dog, it's a matter of 613 00:26:20,559 --> 00:26:26,960 fact, but I I it's not dog's fault and it's not about the dog. It's about 614 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:30,000 the owners and the disrespect that this 615 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,640 beach is we put up with every day. 616 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:34,799 People come across that dog bridge and 617 00:26:34,799 --> 00:26:36,240 throw all their morals out when they 618 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:37,679 don't care anything about the residents, 619 00:26:37,679 --> 00:26:39,360 don't care anything about the beach. And 620 00:26:39,360 --> 00:26:42,480 I just don't I I've seen it so many 621 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:45,200 times on this island 50 years and I've 622 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,840 seen it 623 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:49,760 and it's getting worse. It's not getting 624 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:51,679 better. It's getting worse. 625 00:26:51,679 --> 00:26:53,840 >> There's no way to police it either. 626 00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:54,960 >> That's one thing I was going to ask 627 00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:56,480 about Nathan brought up a great point 628 00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:58,799 which is David to one. How many I'd love 629 00:26:58,799 --> 00:27:00,080 to know how many citations were 630 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:01,679 >> written? 631 00:27:01,679 --> 00:27:04,000 >> Um 632 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:06,000 because very few because Shannon can't 633 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:07,919 cover four. 634 00:27:07,919 --> 00:27:09,760 That's and that's the realistic thing 635 00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:10,480 and you can't 636 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:13,039 >> right and the 166 people that signed the 637 00:27:13,039 --> 00:27:14,960 petition how many of them are dog owners 638 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:16,799 how many of them have registered their 639 00:27:16,799 --> 00:27:17,760 dogs 640 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,960 >> how much is it to register a dog 641 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:21,840 >> on the beach 642 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:25,600 >> $10 or 20 more than 10 right now 643 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,000 >> I mean for for something like this just 644 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,000 I too taking phone calls and talked with 645 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,480 a lot of dog owners I have a dog she 646 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:34,080 doesn't go on the beach cuz she's insane 647 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:36,159 she's a runoff so she doesn't go on the 648 00:27:36,159 --> 00:27:39,360 beach Um, but I've talked with folks who 649 00:27:39,360 --> 00:27:41,679 have a variety of different dogs who 650 00:27:41,679 --> 00:27:44,799 would love to see something like this. 651 00:27:44,799 --> 00:27:47,600 They would also be willing to pay their 652 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:49,200 residents and they would be willing to 653 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:52,240 pay up to register their dog as a 654 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:55,760 homeowner on the beach and abide by the 655 00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:57,840 rules. But I agree with your point after 656 00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:00,000 9 because once you come to the beach, if 657 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:01,279 you bring your dog, 658 00:28:01,279 --> 00:28:02,080 >> you don't want to get 659 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:03,679 >> you're not leaving because you're just 660 00:28:03,679 --> 00:28:04,399 going to hide that dog. 661 00:28:04,399 --> 00:28:08,000 >> You're going to hide that dog. I've seen them put them in their beach 662 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:08,960 bags 663 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:10,640 >> and I've been on the beach when they see 664 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:12,320 somebody coming and they cut put the dog 665 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:14,080 under a towel or a little blanket over 666 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:15,840 the dog. Same the way people put their 667 00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:18,320 beer hide it back down in the in their 668 00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:19,200 cooler. And 669 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,840 >> so can we how do we police it? 670 00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:22,640 >> We can. 671 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,919 >> How you know the $500 fine I don't know 672 00:28:25,919 --> 00:28:26,880 how many tickets were paid. 673 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:30,000 >> Me too. To Nathan's point, if we're, you 674 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,399 know, what's I understand there's a lot 675 00:28:32,399 --> 00:28:36,480 of 166 people who want to see this. How 676 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:37,919 many of them own their dogs? How many of 677 00:28:37,919 --> 00:28:40,240 them are registered? And then really, 678 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:41,919 what are we trying to address here? I 679 00:28:41,919 --> 00:28:44,880 mean, the 6 to9 piece in the morning. 680 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:47,440 >> Um, it took you an hour and a half to 681 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:49,360 get up the beach in the evening, 682 00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:50,000 >> I believe. 683 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:51,039 >> I mean, 684 00:28:51,039 --> 00:28:53,200 >> this was dark, too. So, we're expecting 685 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:56,880 Shannon to to to do all this new new 686 00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:58,960 rules. We're expecting him to look at 687 00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:02,240 people smoking, drinking, 688 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,240 uh drunk behavior because we do we got a 689 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:06,880 little backup with the police, right? 690 00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:09,279 You know, but they're, you know, there 691 00:29:09,279 --> 00:29:10,640 are back and forth. Then you got the 692 00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:12,000 lifeguards and they're they're doing 693 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,240 their job. There's there's no way 694 00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:16,640 anybody's going to convince me that 695 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:18,640 Shannon and Scott are going to be able 696 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:19,919 to do this on their own. 697 00:29:19,919 --> 00:29:21,919 >> Right. I mean, I would love to know just 698 00:29:21,919 --> 00:29:26,240 from would folks be willing to pay 699 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:28,080 a little bit more or a lot more to 700 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:30,399 register their dog to be able to walk it 701 00:29:30,399 --> 00:29:31,520 on the beach. 702 00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:33,760 >> Yeah, I think having a beach passes is 703 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:36,320 for a residential beach pass. We're 704 00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:39,279 really interested and worried about the 705 00:29:39,279 --> 00:29:41,440 citizens of Rel Beach the residential 706 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:43,600 beach pass. But then I also think that 707 00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:45,440 we have to decide here if we're going to 708 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:47,120 recommend it. There's a zero tolerance 709 00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:50,559 policy. So if you don't have that, if 710 00:29:50,559 --> 00:29:52,799 you have a dog on the beach, it's not 711 00:29:52,799 --> 00:29:54,480 one of those things that that's, you 712 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:55,760 know, you got to take your dog. You have 713 00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:57,600 to have zero tolerance. People are going 714 00:29:57,600 --> 00:29:58,640 to have to understand that you're going 715 00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:00,399 to be fine. Um, 716 00:30:00,399 --> 00:30:02,960 >> I don't think that's 717 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:04,799 >> I'm just saying if we end up 718 00:30:04,799 --> 00:30:05,840 recommending that 719 00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,000 >> Well, I like Nathan's idea if we can 720 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:10,080 figure out how to make it happen because 721 00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:14,000 that's the issue is the residents who 722 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,720 live, you know, who are here all the 723 00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:17,600 time pretty much. 724 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:20,000 >> Those are the ones we're supporting. 725 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:21,600 >> That's who we should support. That's my 726 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:25,440 concern. You take the wood off and it's again, it's not I don't have 727 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:26,960 anything just like you don't dislike 728 00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:28,159 dogs. I don't have anything against 729 00:30:28,159 --> 00:30:31,120 people in town, but we don't need a slew 730 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:33,600 of people riding in at 6:00 a.m. to come 731 00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:35,919 walk on the beach and heading out. I 732 00:30:35,919 --> 00:30:38,720 mean, if we're trying to solve to get 733 00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:41,039 residents accessing the dogs on the 734 00:30:41,039 --> 00:30:42,480 beach, you know, let's then let's solve 735 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:44,559 that. Let's not let's not have a 736 00:30:44,559 --> 00:30:47,360 solution that 737 00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:49,600 I don't care what goes on. You know, the 738 00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:51,120 worst argument I think you could ever 739 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:53,120 make is, well, they do it there, so why 740 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:55,200 can't we exactly 741 00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:57,760 >> use that? It doesn't make any sense. 742 00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:00,240 >> If we're really narrow, if we're really 743 00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:02,720 interested in doing this, we have to I 744 00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,840 just had a few comments. Um um you know, 745 00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:07,520 this is the recommendation from the 746 00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:09,760 committee here that we were to bring 747 00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:11,440 forward. And I'm hearing what you're 748 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,559 saying. I mean to me if you open it up 749 00:31:14,559 --> 00:31:16,320 to residents only that's like giving 750 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:19,120 free parking to other residents and that 751 00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:23,120 wouldn't that wouldn't fly in the media 752 00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:24,640 and I don't know if you can do it on the 753 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:26,159 public beach 754 00:31:26,159 --> 00:31:28,399 >> this question how do that 755 00:31:28,399 --> 00:31:30,480 >> so 756 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:32,880 for me then it would be 757 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:35,360 >> I think it'd be very questionable um 758 00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:36,399 >> to do something like that 759 00:31:36,399 --> 00:31:38,080 >> I think it'd be hard I think it'd be 760 00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:39,039 real hard 761 00:31:39,039 --> 00:31:41,360 >> to just do it for the resident Even if 762 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:43,279 they 763 00:31:43,279 --> 00:31:43,919 paid 764 00:31:43,919 --> 00:31:44,320 >> do I 765 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:46,320 >> even if they paid like 25 bucks or 766 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:47,919 >> I don't know that's a thought but what 767 00:31:47,919 --> 00:31:50,159 we could do is 768 00:31:50,159 --> 00:31:51,679 >> so far I've heard definitions 769 00:31:51,679 --> 00:31:54,720 enforcement cleanup citation and we 770 00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:57,120 talked about residential passes and what 771 00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:58,960 we can do if you keep discussing it and 772 00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,200 maybe other things we can we can pass 773 00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:03,840 these thoughts to the board of alderman. 774 00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:05,279 They they did the board of alderman 775 00:32:05,279 --> 00:32:07,440 didn't want this group to hear the dogs 776 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:09,760 on the beach. They definitely wanted you 777 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:12,399 to be a part of it here. But what we can 778 00:32:12,399 --> 00:32:15,360 do is uh uh I'm sure you gonna have more 779 00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:18,000 comments and more thoughts. So once we 780 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,159 take this forward, we can we'll bring it 781 00:32:20,159 --> 00:32:24,080 up to the board and see what they say. 782 00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:28,640 >> What does any does anybody on as a group 783 00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:30,960 um how to say this? How do y'all feel 784 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:34,159 about it like that? How um how do y'all 785 00:32:34,159 --> 00:32:36,640 feel about adding a month to each end? I 786 00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:38,320 know you're front the turtle nest, but 787 00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:40,960 if we if we take out the dogs on the 788 00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:46,640 beach from May 1st till November 1st and 789 00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:48,559 you're trying the turtle, the way it's 790 00:32:48,559 --> 00:32:50,320 written out, they got access to the 791 00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:54,000 beach 9 every day for 12 months. They 792 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,320 can dig up a nest at 8:00 in the morning 793 00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:58,559 or upset turtle nest at 8:00. 794 00:32:58,559 --> 00:32:59,760 >> But they can't. That's the whole That's 795 00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:01,519 the whole thing that we're we're missing 796 00:33:01,519 --> 00:33:03,519 here is the fact that we're worried 797 00:33:03,519 --> 00:33:05,279 about a dog going and digging up a 798 00:33:05,279 --> 00:33:06,720 turtle. I was just saying the shitty 799 00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:07,039 dog, 800 00:33:07,039 --> 00:33:08,799 >> but the dog is supposed to be on the 801 00:33:08,799 --> 00:33:09,200 leash. 802 00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:09,840 >> Exactly. 803 00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:11,679 >> So that dog is going to be on the beach 804 00:33:11,679 --> 00:33:13,039 regardless. 805 00:33:13,039 --> 00:33:14,799 >> I hate to say that, but that dog's going 806 00:33:14,799 --> 00:33:16,159 to be on the beach regardless because 807 00:33:16,159 --> 00:33:18,159 you're not supposed to be off leash when 808 00:33:18,159 --> 00:33:19,200 you're on the beach. 809 00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:21,200 >> And so they're not if you're on a leash, 810 00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:22,480 they're not running up to the turtle 811 00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:24,480 nest that we can see their mark that 812 00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:24,960 turtle. 813 00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:26,880 >> Like some island will let you bring your 814 00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:28,559 dogs year round onto the beach, but it 815 00:33:28,559 --> 00:33:31,120 has to be leash up till 9:00 in the 816 00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:33,519 morning. Then again again it's a very 817 00:33:33,519 --> 00:33:35,200 opposite on the other side. I can't 818 00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,279 remember the timing but they don't have 819 00:33:37,279 --> 00:33:39,200 the same rules. Some of them does not 820 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:42,000 have the same rules as 821 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:45,039 it's different. is you know and you can 822 00:33:45,039 --> 00:33:46,640 have them off at least for like an hour. 823 00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:48,320 I think it's on SA I can't they're both 824 00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:51,519 very confus 825 00:33:51,519 --> 00:33:53,600 you can have them I think it's 6 a.m. 826 00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:55,519 You have an hour and you have a window 827 00:33:55,519 --> 00:33:57,679 and it needs to be they're they're very 828 00:33:57,679 --> 00:33:59,200 confused and I can't I always have to 829 00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,760 get on the website and look to see back 830 00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:03,039 when I had it all. 831 00:34:03,039 --> 00:34:08,230 >> Yeah, David's right. We never allow 832 00:34:08,240 --> 00:34:10,000 » I'm talking about 833 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:11,599 >> I don't think we're considering all 834 00:34:11,599 --> 00:34:12,960 dogs, right? 835 00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,919 >> No, my point is I've seen people when 836 00:34:15,919 --> 00:34:17,679 you're supposed to have them on a leash 837 00:34:17,679 --> 00:34:19,919 not have a leash. they pushing it over 838 00:34:19,919 --> 00:34:21,679 and that's when they get a ticket 839 00:34:21,679 --> 00:34:24,720 because they do some 840 00:34:24,720 --> 00:34:26,960 they they run a tight ship. 841 00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:28,639 >> So to Tony's point the things we want to 842 00:34:28,639 --> 00:34:31,679 capture for the alderman or enforcement. 843 00:34:31,679 --> 00:34:32,879 I'm hearing that. 844 00:34:32,879 --> 00:34:34,000 >> I think 845 00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,000 >> and I understand the residential path 846 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,079 doesn't work, but I think at the crux of 847 00:34:38,079 --> 00:34:40,960 that is that this solution might it's 848 00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:43,599 opening it's solving way more than the 849 00:34:43,599 --> 00:34:45,599 problem. Like what we're trying to do 850 00:34:45,599 --> 00:34:47,440 opens up way more access than we're 851 00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:51,040 hoping. What what are the other I mean I 852 00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:53,280 think enforcement is the biggest one. 853 00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:54,159 >> The biggest one. 854 00:34:54,159 --> 00:34:56,079 >> Second of all, exactly what you say. 855 00:34:56,079 --> 00:34:58,800 We're not 856 00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,520 as we're addressing 127 or whatever 100 857 00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:03,520 people signed that petition or whatever 858 00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:06,640 it was. Um we're we're not catering to 859 00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:08,800 those 166. What we're now doing is 860 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:10,480 allowing every person that comes over 861 00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:11,920 that bridge or lives on the beach to 862 00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:14,320 have their dogs on the beach, right? So 863 00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:16,880 it's a lot more than 166, I think. So, 864 00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:18,640 is there a way we can suggest, like I 865 00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:21,119 said, a h happy medium where we can 866 00:35:21,119 --> 00:35:23,760 increase 30 days on either end and 867 00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:25,760 you're only asking people to take four 868 00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:27,920 months out of here, but it's so hot down 869 00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:30,480 here and it's so crowded. 870 00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:32,480 Keep it on. 871 00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:34,240 No, I'm not in favor of that. I think 872 00:35:34,240 --> 00:35:36,560 it's a reasonable compromise for 6 to9. 873 00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:38,800 I think it's very reasonable. And the 874 00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,119 thing about enforcement, I mean, you 875 00:35:41,119 --> 00:35:43,200 could run down the whole list. Lights on 876 00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:45,280 the sidewalk, alcohol on the beach, 877 00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:48,240 speed, loud cars. 878 00:35:48,240 --> 00:35:49,599 Add it to the list. 879 00:35:49,599 --> 00:35:52,640 >> I mean, so you're in favor of I know I I 880 00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:54,160 like the ordinance the way it's written. 881 00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:57,599 The new the new one. I think the 882 00:35:57,599 --> 00:35:59,680 >> dog poops different from 883 00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:01,359 >> loud noises. I do. 884 00:36:01,359 --> 00:36:03,920 >> I do. I do. I think every concern we 885 00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:06,720 have down at the beach is is important. 886 00:36:06,720 --> 00:36:08,560 This is the bikes, the loud cars, the 887 00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:10,960 speeding. I think it's all important. 888 00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:12,560 and you're going to have that no matter 889 00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:15,599 what. Um, unless we're going to have a 890 00:36:15,599 --> 00:36:17,040 lot more police officers and ride a lot 891 00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:19,280 more, we're going to have it. The idea 892 00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:20,960 of discriminating and we're saying, 893 00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,520 "Okay, we're going to be elect." I mean, 894 00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:25,040 >> well, I have a thought on that until I 895 00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:26,960 interrupt you one second, is because 896 00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:29,040 towns would get a permit, let those who 897 00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:32,400 want to walk their dogs 695 permit, 898 00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:34,160 >> the res or or 899 00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:36,160 >> Yeah. And maybe on that, but the idea of 900 00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:38,720 just a residence going, that's a public 901 00:36:38,720 --> 00:36:42,160 beach down there. Yes. Every so often 902 00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:44,000 >> and then every so often we say, "Hey, 903 00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:45,920 state of North Carolina make county, 904 00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:48,640 give us $30 million, $40 million, $50 905 00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:50,320 million." 906 00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,000 I understand that shouldn't be in our 907 00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,320 conversation whatsoever. I understand 908 00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:56,160 that, but I I guess I'm just responding 909 00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,560 to the problem. Like we're not getting 910 00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:01,440 the request from everyone else and and 911 00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:04,079 the solution creates another problem. 912 00:37:04,079 --> 00:37:05,040 That's the only thing I would say. 913 00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:06,800 >> Anything that's preferential. I 914 00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,040 understand. I understand. I mean, I was 915 00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:10,560 just talking to Tony. This piece of land 916 00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:12,160 we're sitting on was given to us by the 917 00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:14,160 federal government. Piece of land, you 918 00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:15,920 know, so everything we got is a gift. 919 00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,079 And so any this discrimination stuff, I 920 00:37:18,079 --> 00:37:20,160 said, "No way. It'd be bad for us." 921 00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:21,440 >> That's because when they gave it to us, 922 00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:24,000 they got it flooded. Yeah. But whatever. 923 00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:28,480 Um, and and the thing is, if 924 00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:31,119 you think about April and May, I mean, 925 00:37:31,119 --> 00:37:32,800 if it's a nice day, this place is going 926 00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,280 to be packed, right? And April, a nice 927 00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:37,200 day in April, May be packed. I mean, the 928 00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:38,800 traffic can be all the way back up. So, 929 00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:40,560 it could be just as busy between April, 930 00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:43,119 May as it is on July, July the 4th, it 931 00:37:43,119 --> 00:37:45,119 could be very busy because it's just a 932 00:37:45,119 --> 00:37:46,880 function. Soon as that weather gets a 933 00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:48,960 little better, it'll be packed. So, you 934 00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:51,280 know, by I kind of like the idea of no 935 00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:53,280 dogs on the beach after 9:00. I like 936 00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:55,040 that. I like that. That's when all the 937 00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:56,800 people are here. Most of the time, if 938 00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:58,000 you're walking down the early in the 939 00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,480 mornings, it's not that crowded early in 940 00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:02,720 the morning. Um, sure. Can the dog run 941 00:38:02,720 --> 00:38:04,160 away? He's going to run away. Is he 942 00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:06,000 going to dig something up? Yeah. CL 943 00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:07,280 somebody's going to cover that's going 944 00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:09,760 to happen. Um they do it the rest of 945 00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:12,880 year. Um I just think it's a reasonable 946 00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:15,040 compromise that these guys have come up 947 00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:17,680 with. Uh and if I add one more thing to 948 00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:19,599 it, I think it's easy to understand too 949 00:38:19,599 --> 00:38:20,800 because one thing is you know when you 950 00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:22,560 come down to the beach is like it's like 951 00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:24,640 40 rules you got to follow. Okay. Make 952 00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:26,320 sure I don't break all these rules. So 953 00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:28,400 you got to kind of read them all. This I 954 00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:30,160 think is reasonable to understand. Okay. 955 00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:33,520 no dogs on the lease when after 9:00 and 956 00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:35,839 you can't go past this this beach access 957 00:38:35,839 --> 00:38:37,599 and this one. I think that would be 958 00:38:37,599 --> 00:38:39,119 that's reasonable. I think people could 959 00:38:39,119 --> 00:38:41,520 get behind that. Don't go to the south 960 00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:45,200 end pass where it 42 north end pass 961 00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:46,880 number two. I think that kind of makes 962 00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:48,000 sense and most of the time that's 963 00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:49,599 blocked off anyway and it blocked off 964 00:38:49,599 --> 00:38:52,800 most of the summer on the south end. I 965 00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:54,079 think most of the time it's got it's 966 00:38:54,079 --> 00:38:56,880 fenced off anyway kind of sort of but uh 967 00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:58,960 we did have the I can't remember her 968 00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,200 name. I call her the first lady. Uh she 969 00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:03,599 was in the meetings and so was Nancy, 970 00:39:03,599 --> 00:39:06,880 the other Nancy. Okay. Uh the turtle 971 00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:09,040 lady. 972 00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:12,079 But one of the things uh that I think we 973 00:39:12,079 --> 00:39:14,240 need to send to the alderman as a 974 00:39:14,240 --> 00:39:16,079 recommendation along with whatever we do 975 00:39:16,079 --> 00:39:18,720 is and it was discussed in the meeting 976 00:39:18,720 --> 00:39:22,880 very thoroughly, we need better signage. 977 00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:25,760 Um, when you just say no dogs on the 978 00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:27,680 beach, 979 00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:29,200 it shouldn't say something like we're 980 00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:31,599 serious. The fine is and I think the 981 00:39:31,599 --> 00:39:33,359 fine's too low. 982 00:39:33,359 --> 00:39:35,119 >> The fine 983 00:39:35,119 --> 00:39:37,040 >> Yeah, I think it's too low. 984 00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:38,640 >> If we're serious about this, the fine 985 00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:40,800 needs to be higher. I mean, the federal 986 00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:43,680 government fine for for 987 00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:47,040 messing with a uh nesting sea turtle is 988 00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:48,960 $100,000. 989 00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:50,880 >> That's pretty serious. Well, 990 00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:52,720 >> 500 bucks is nothing to 991 00:39:52,720 --> 00:39:54,320 >> Well, people we got, you know, you walk 992 00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:56,240 out on your public, you got a sign and 993 00:39:56,240 --> 00:39:58,480 it goes against rules or whatever and 994 00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:00,720 one and people will read that sign and 995 00:40:00,720 --> 00:40:03,040 still walk up there light up cigarettes 996 00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:06,079 still get their beer open which you know 997 00:40:06,079 --> 00:40:07,760 I think as long as you keep it lowkey 998 00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:10,160 and you're not out there choking or 999 00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:11,920 whatever that shelf is like I've seen on 1000 00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:15,680 the beach for the most part but but 1001 00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:17,520 there going to be people that 9:00's 1002 00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:20,400 going to roll around they're I almost 1003 00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:22,400 stay and I'm trying to get away with it 1004 00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:24,400 and find 1005 00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:27,119 and all you saw again. There's a where 1006 00:40:27,119 --> 00:40:29,440 breaches in this is a very rough area of 1007 00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:30,560 water. You're not supposed to be out 1008 00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:33,280 there. They got a sign and it is as big. 1009 00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:35,680 The sign is as big as this wall right 1010 00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:38,160 here and it says no swimming, no 1011 00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:40,160 waiting, no. And the fine is something 1012 00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:42,960 like 2743. 1013 00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:45,119 It's just some weird amount. And he go 1014 00:40:45,119 --> 00:40:48,160 out in that water every time. Every 1015 00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:50,000 time. And I'm, you know, I walk out 1016 00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:51,839 there, my feet wet, but I don't go 1017 00:40:51,839 --> 00:40:53,200 swimming out there because the current 1018 00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:55,200 will take you, but they still, you can 1019 00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:57,680 sign all you want, too. The same thing 1020 00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:00,480 down here. Yeah. And and it's so 1021 00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:00,960 dangerous. 1022 00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:02,960 >> And yeah, there are a lot of rules, no 1023 00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:05,680 drink, no this for that. 1024 00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:07,680 >> Did you propose a higher civil penalty 1025 00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:08,720 when you were on the committee? 1026 00:41:08,720 --> 00:41:11,680 >> I did. And I didn't win, 1027 00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:12,640 >> obviously. 1028 00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:14,880 >> So, you proposed $1,000 and nobody 1029 00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:15,920 supported you? 1030 00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:17,680 >> Uh, I'm not going to say no one did. I 1031 00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:19,520 don't remember exactly what the count 1032 00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:22,400 was, but we settled on 500. 1033 00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:24,000 >> Um, 1034 00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:26,800 and Mike Haynes keeps reminding us it's 1035 00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:28,480 a it's a pilot program. We're going to 1036 00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:30,640 try it for one whole season, one whole 1037 00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:33,920 year. Um, and 1038 00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:36,160 >> turn it back around again. 1039 00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:37,599 >> Well, that's going to be up to the 1040 00:41:37,599 --> 00:41:39,440 alderman and we're going to have to put 1041 00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:41,599 that in our recommendation to them that 1042 00:41:41,599 --> 00:41:44,720 we all better monitor this accurately. 1043 00:41:44,720 --> 00:41:46,720 So, we've got some statistics and 1044 00:41:46,720 --> 00:41:48,720 because I would venture to say if we 1045 00:41:48,720 --> 00:41:50,720 went out and asked people to sign a 1046 00:41:50,720 --> 00:41:52,240 petition 1047 00:41:52,240 --> 00:41:54,640 for not doing this, we'd probably get 1048 00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:59,359 166 signatures in opposition. So, um I 1049 00:41:59,359 --> 00:42:02,000 think you know I guess we go ahead and 1050 00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:06,000 pass this somehow and and um see what 1051 00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:08,319 happens. So I think I think what we need 1052 00:42:08,319 --> 00:42:10,000 to do is I think we've given a bunch of 1053 00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:11,920 suggestions to Tony, but I think the 1054 00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:13,760 first thing we need to do 1055 00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:17,280 >> is make a recommend um decide 1056 00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:19,760 based on what we have 1057 00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:21,520 >> how we feel about how we feel about 1058 00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:24,160 that. Would it come down to us sending a 1059 00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:27,599 favorable recommendation to a new or 1060 00:42:27,599 --> 00:42:29,680 >> I think yeah I think what we can do is 1061 00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:32,880 look at what we have and um 1062 00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:41,990 >> like 1063 00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:43,599 I think that's that's what we did what 1064 00:42:43,599 --> 00:42:45,920 we have to write down some of our 1065 00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:48,800 suggestions 1066 00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:50,800 >> I've got right here definitions 1067 00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:53,680 enforcement clean up citation. We talked 1068 00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:58,230 about residential passes, 1069 00:42:58,240 --> 00:43:02,560 » how many 30 days. We talked about fees, 1070 00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:05,839 better signage, and increased fines. I 1071 00:43:05,839 --> 00:43:07,119 mean, that's just things. 1072 00:43:07,119 --> 00:43:09,119 >> And from and a registration piece, too, 1073 00:43:09,119 --> 00:43:11,520 because I'm still just that's just 1074 00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:12,880 something that came up when folks were 1075 00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:16,960 asking me is when how do you register? 1076 00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:18,560 Do we make it more expensive to 1077 00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:20,160 register? 1078 00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:21,920 I think $10. If you're going to walk 1079 00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:23,599 your dog on the beach and you're that 1080 00:43:23,599 --> 00:43:25,599 passionate about it, you want to do it, 1081 00:43:25,599 --> 00:43:27,680 charge a little bit more. 1082 00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:30,880 >> I'd also would want to consider I'm all 1083 00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:36,400 about pilot programs. Try if it doesn't work, toss it, but can we 1084 00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:39,040 look at this after 30 days, after 60 1085 00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:41,200 days with like with data behind it, not 1086 00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:42,960 just say, "Hey, we looked at it. This is 1087 00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:45,680 what Shannon saw." But like, you know, 1088 00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:48,800 we videoed driving down the beach three 1089 00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:51,359 times every Monday, Wednesday, Friday 1090 00:43:51,359 --> 00:43:53,119 from 6:00 to 9:00. We went out there 1091 00:43:53,119 --> 00:43:55,839 with a camera and we saw what it looked 1092 00:43:55,839 --> 00:43:57,920 like. And after 30 days, we're looking 1093 00:43:57,920 --> 00:43:59,520 at it and we're having the discussion 1094 00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:00,880 board of alderman looking at they say, 1095 00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:02,720 "Whoa, this is really bad." But we may 1096 00:44:02,720 --> 00:44:05,440 say, "Wow, this is great." We don't know 1097 00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:06,800 unless it's something we actually look 1098 00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:10,720 at. So, um I would just like to see if 1099 00:44:10,720 --> 00:44:12,880 we do move forward with it and vote in 1100 00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:14,640 favor of send it to the alderman that 1101 00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:16,560 it's 1102 00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:18,240 we're looking at it not just waiting 1103 00:44:18,240 --> 00:44:22,720 till next year. Um so that 1104 00:44:22,720 --> 00:44:24,640 >> well that was discussed in the committee 1105 00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:26,319 and Haynes brought up a good point. 1106 00:44:26,319 --> 00:44:28,079 You're not going to know 1107 00:44:28,079 --> 00:44:30,240 >> in a month a little snapshot of a month 1108 00:44:30,240 --> 00:44:33,119 or two. It doesn't take you through the 1109 00:44:33,119 --> 00:44:35,040 holidays. It doesn't take you through 1110 00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:38,800 the nesting season. that and I agreed I 1111 00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:40,160 think everybody on the committee agreed 1112 00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:43,040 with Haynes on that one. A pilot program 1113 00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:45,839 needs to be a whole season 1114 00:44:45,839 --> 00:44:47,680 unfortunately. 1115 00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:50,480 Uh but I think that's the only accurate 1116 00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:53,359 way to do it. Um there 1117 00:44:53,359 --> 00:44:57,119 >> the biggest the biggest is are we in 1118 00:44:57,119 --> 00:44:59,359 is the what what is the number one 1119 00:44:59,359 --> 00:45:01,920 biggest concern that we have as a as a 1120 00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:03,920 board? It sounds like you need 1121 00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:06,960 enforcement like enforcement and I don't 1122 00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:09,119 think we have the staff 1123 00:45:09,119 --> 00:45:10,640 >> enforcement 1124 00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:13,280 6 a.m. I don't I think Shannon I don't 1125 00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:15,280 know that he comes very often at 6:00 1126 00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:18,960 a.m. at 7 and it's just the two guys. So 1127 00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:20,800 they're going to have to take turns 1128 00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:23,359 somehow coming at 6:00 a.m. because you 1129 00:45:23,359 --> 00:45:24,880 got to if you're going to have it at 6, 1130 00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:30,480 it's got to be monitored at six. So the enforcement is really difficult. 1131 00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:33,440 Plus the fact that this beach is very 1132 00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:34,800 like takes an hour and a half to get 1133 00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:35,760 down the beach. 1134 00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:36,400 >> Yeah. 1135 00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:39,280 >> And I think the messaging because people 1136 00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:40,720 are gonna say dogs on the beach in the 1137 00:45:40,720 --> 00:45:42,000 summertime. 1138 00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:43,440 >> They're going to see that one part and 1139 00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:44,640 they're just going to not even look at 1140 00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:45,119 six. 1141 00:45:45,119 --> 00:45:46,400 >> Exactly. 1142 00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:49,680 >> So the messaging is is absolutely 1143 00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:51,359 critical. And that big sign at the 1144 00:45:51,359 --> 00:45:54,640 entrance, no dogs on the beach. Okay. 1145 00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:56,720 But like, can we get something that's a 1146 00:45:56,720 --> 00:45:58,640 little bit more cleancut, a little bit 1147 00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:01,680 nicer, not just a big DOT sign that says 1148 00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:03,040 no dogs on the beach? 1149 00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:04,720 >> It's just like the signs we put out that 1150 00:46:04,720 --> 00:46:08,079 says noise and speed zone and you know, 1151 00:46:08,079 --> 00:46:11,119 we had it for a while strictly enforced. 1152 00:46:11,119 --> 00:46:13,119 No, it's not. 1153 00:46:13,119 --> 00:46:14,160 >> No, it's not. 1154 00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:16,880 >> Uh, to answer Adam's question, I I found 1155 00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:19,520 my notes. Um, 1156 00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:23,680 Hayne said in 2024 there were 43 dogs 1157 00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:27,030 registered. 1158 00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:30,160 » In 2025 it went up to 50. Now I'm going 1159 00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:33,520 to admit I've lived here since 2009. I 1160 00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:34,880 didn't know we were supposed to buy a 1161 00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:36,800 tag every year. 1162 00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:38,480 >> Uh, so I'm going to run down and buy 1163 00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:40,480 one, but I don't know what good that 1164 00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:43,190 does. 1165 00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:52,790 So you're not 1166 00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:53,520 charging. 1167 00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:55,839 >> Let's um 1168 00:46:55,839 --> 00:46:59,200 let's take a vote on are we interested 1169 00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:01,119 in allowing 1170 00:47:01,119 --> 00:47:05,760 dogs on moving this forward? Yeah. 1171 00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:07,920 >> Or what what did you say? I think we 1172 00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:10,160 would be voting and you correct me like 1173 00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:12,560 voting on whether we want to move 1174 00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:14,400 forward with this pilot program as 1175 00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:15,040 written, right? 1176 00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:17,920 >> Yes. And I will give them um the 1177 00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:19,599 comments no matter one way or the other. 1178 00:47:19,599 --> 00:47:21,119 We'll just say here are the comments 1179 00:47:21,119 --> 00:47:25,040 from the board it don't approve it. 1180 00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:27,359 >> And and I think that that that you know 1181 00:47:27,359 --> 00:47:29,920 they'll understand they're all 1182 00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:31,280 >> I mean fortunately two of them are here 1183 00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:33,119 but they'll get more color than just the 1184 00:47:33,119 --> 00:47:35,359 yes or no. 1185 00:47:35,359 --> 00:47:36,079 So, 1186 00:47:36,079 --> 00:47:38,079 >> and Tony, if you can capitalize 1187 00:47:38,079 --> 00:47:40,800 enforcement. 1188 00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:44,400 >> So, I guess what we'll do would in favor 1189 00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:48,560 of moving this pilot program forward. 1190 00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:50,000 >> Oh, you want to vote? That's why you're 1191 00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:51,599 going to do a motion. You want to vote? 1192 00:47:51,599 --> 00:47:52,880 >> I just We don't even need a motion 1193 00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:56,400 because what they're asking is for 1194 00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:58,640 >> I'm willing to compromise. 1195 00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:00,079 We're willing to move it forward. Wait a 1196 00:48:00,079 --> 00:48:02,240 minute. What? What? So you you're 1197 00:48:02,240 --> 00:48:03,920 looking at this as the compromise, the 1198 00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:06,319 new thing that 1199 00:48:06,319 --> 00:48:08,000 >> in general, I think. What are we 1200 00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:10,319 interested in general in moving the 1201 00:48:10,319 --> 00:48:12,960 conversation of limited access of dogs 1202 00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:14,560 in the beach board? Not necessarily what 1203 00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:16,720 what's on piece of paper right here. And 1204 00:48:16,720 --> 00:48:18,560 if we have a favorable recommendation, 1205 00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:21,599 then Tony also can fill in everything 1206 00:48:21,599 --> 00:48:23,760 that we all concerns. Yeah. 1207 00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:25,680 >> Well, like I was said, there alone here, 1208 00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:27,440 so they've heard it. Now, I will I do 1209 00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:28,960 want to say one thing, Mr. chair before 1210 00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:33,200 we vote. The uh folks who brought this 1211 00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:36,160 forward wanted to do the same thing in 1212 00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:38,960 the evening. Let them out on the beach 1213 00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:43,040 during the evening and they proposed no, 1214 00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:45,680 let's not do that because in the evening 1215 00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:47,599 people are a little, you know, have a 1216 00:48:47,599 --> 00:48:48,960 little bit of wine. they're less 1217 00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:51,760 responsible and the folks who want to 1218 00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:54,000 walk their dogs out on the beach are 1219 00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:56,000 getting up with a cup of coffee and 1220 00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:57,680 walking out there from their home or 1221 00:48:57,680 --> 00:48:58,240 they're 1222 00:48:58,240 --> 00:49:00,400 >> plus it's dark at night too so it's 1223 00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:01,359 harder to see 1224 00:49:01,359 --> 00:49:04,079 >> in the summertime they want to be able 1225 00:49:04,079 --> 00:49:04,640 to 1226 00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:06,559 >> in the evening and they were the one 1227 00:49:06,559 --> 00:49:10,160 that pulled that proposal from the from 1228 00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:12,079 this recommendation so I had to hand it 1229 00:49:12,079 --> 00:49:16,160 to them they compromised on that one 1230 00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:18,319 >> I would think the change has second. But 1231 00:49:18,319 --> 00:49:21,680 the enforcement thing really bothers me 1232 00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:23,440 to say yes, I think you ought to try 1233 00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:24,960 this because I don't think we are 1234 00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:27,359 capable of enforcement. 1235 00:49:27,359 --> 00:49:29,119 >> That's what bothers me the most. 1236 00:49:29,119 --> 00:49:31,200 >> And and I think I still think just just 1237 00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:32,800 because we're not allowing we're 1238 00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:35,520 allowing residents to walk their dogs on 1239 00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:37,760 the beach and non-residents not. I don't 1240 00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:39,359 think it's discrimination. They're still 1241 00:49:39,359 --> 00:49:40,319 allowed. 1242 00:49:40,319 --> 00:49:41,599 >> Well, after we talk that one through, I 1243 00:49:41,599 --> 00:49:44,960 agree that's not not fair. But if there 1244 00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:47,760 was a way to 1245 00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:49,839 I don't know, get a like a pass 1246 00:49:49,839 --> 00:49:52,640 for that beach for everybody. But 1247 00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:55,200 anyway, I mean 1248 00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:57,040 automatically if you are walking your 1249 00:49:57,040 --> 00:49:59,200 dog, you absolutely should be 1250 00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:00,480 registered. 1251 00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:02,160 >> Yeah. Regardless if you if you're a 1252 00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:04,480 visitor or not, you still have to have 1253 00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:06,480 >> Is there a fine associated with not 1254 00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:09,280 registering all that? 1255 00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:12,640 >> So there could be a fine $500 fine for 1256 00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:15,119 >> it's not being and then there could be a 1257 00:50:15,119 --> 00:50:16,720 separate fine for oh by the way you're 1258 00:50:16,720 --> 00:50:17,920 on the beach you're not supposed to be 1259 00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:20,000 after 9 but also you're not registered 1260 00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:21,599 so here's another $500 fine. 1261 00:50:21,599 --> 00:50:23,280 >> But if you live somewhere else say 1262 00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:24,480 you're coming down for a week you can 1263 00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:25,839 register your dog. Say you're from 1264 00:50:25,839 --> 00:50:29,040 Raleigh and you bring a dog, you can 1265 00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:30,559 >> I think a lot of people didn't. 1266 00:50:30,559 --> 00:50:31,839 >> No, you know, you you just have to 1267 00:50:31,839 --> 00:50:33,680 register your animal somewhere. 1268 00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:34,160 >> Okay. 1269 00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:36,800 >> Yeah. Not if you bring a dog from 1270 00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:38,319 Wilmington, you don't have to register 1271 00:50:38,319 --> 00:50:41,760 right from Beach. It just has to be. 1272 00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:43,839 >> Yeah. And usually when you get your 1273 00:50:43,839 --> 00:50:47,280 vaccine, they does that for you. 1274 00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:47,760 >> Okay. 1275 00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:49,839 >> Yeah. Now, rightful beach is different 1276 00:50:49,839 --> 00:50:51,280 because you have to have a rightful 1277 00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:54,640 beach. I know this cuz I got cancer. You 1278 00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:56,800 register a cat here, not with the 1279 00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:57,359 county. 1280 00:50:57,359 --> 00:50:58,640 >> Okay. 1281 00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:00,160 >> I'm supposed to register all those feral 1282 00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:01,920 cats at my house. 1283 00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:03,359 >> 22 kittens. 1284 00:51:03,359 --> 00:51:05,680 >> I have like 1285 00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:06,079 this. 1286 00:51:06,079 --> 00:51:09,280 >> So, let's So, I Who would be in favor of 1287 00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:10,960 moving some sort of pilot program 1288 00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:12,880 forward that allow limited access for 1289 00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:14,960 dogs? I should be in favor of it, but 1290 00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:15,760 also just 1291 00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:17,599 >> there's a lot of 1292 00:51:17,599 --> 00:51:20,160 >> Yes. And with two of the boardman here 1293 00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:21,680 just I think we've had really good 1294 00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:24,960 discussion, but I do have concerns, but 1295 00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:29,839 I also, you know, it's a year, right? 1296 00:51:29,839 --> 00:51:32,000 So, understanding that there's a lot of 1297 00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:33,440 things that can happen between now and 1298 00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:35,280 then, but I still have some concerns. 1299 00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:37,040 But in regards to the pilot program as 1300 00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:38,480 it's written, I would 1301 00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:40,800 >> It's hard to vote yes or no. 1302 00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:43,599 That's not one last comment. I would 1303 00:51:43,599 --> 00:51:45,760 assume that the board of alderman if 1304 00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:47,440 they if we get into the halfway of this 1305 00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:50,000 pilot program and we've got problems 1306 00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:51,359 they'll cancel it. 1307 00:51:51,359 --> 00:51:52,960 >> I would say they have the authority to 1308 00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:54,319 cancel. 1309 00:51:54,319 --> 00:51:55,440 >> Yeah, that's written in there. 1310 00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:57,359 >> So I think we can forward a favorable 1311 00:51:57,359 --> 00:51:58,880 recommendation. 1312 00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:00,000 >> What's the vote? 1313 00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:00,960 >> I think it's six to one. 1314 00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:03,680 >> It's a question mark. Well, we're not we 1315 00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:04,079 need 1316 00:52:04,079 --> 00:52:07,280 >> but not as needs to be a motion and a 1317 00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:10,160 vote 1318 00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:11,920 and I think the motion has to be as 1319 00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:14,319 written. We'll then enforce 1320 00:52:14,319 --> 00:52:15,839 all 1321 00:52:15,839 --> 00:52:17,359 someone you're making a motion as 1322 00:52:17,359 --> 00:52:17,680 written. 1323 00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:19,359 >> As written. 1324 00:52:19,359 --> 00:52:22,319 >> All in favor? 1325 00:52:22,319 --> 00:52:24,960 All 1326 00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:29,990 right. The two against 1327 00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:31,440 I think in the comments 1328 00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:32,319 >> I'll get the comments. 1329 00:52:32,319 --> 00:52:35,440 >> I think the board is very open to to 1330 00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:36,800 >> I think it would have been I think it's 1331 00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:38,640 better instead of taking the vote on the 1332 00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:41,440 actual what we just voted on. I think 1333 00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:42,880 it's much more productive for the 1334 00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:45,119 audience to understand that we are we 1335 00:52:45,119 --> 00:52:46,640 understand there's a lot of things we 1336 00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:49,599 have concerns with but when we are 1337 00:52:49,599 --> 00:52:51,040 favorable in terms of looking at 1338 00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:54,640 something that we can develop 1339 00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:58,069 down 1340 00:52:58,079 --> 00:53:01,520 » you shouldn't have asked for 1341 00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:03,359 we had a six to1 favorable 1342 00:53:03,359 --> 00:53:05,359 >> I have to 1343 00:53:05,359 --> 00:53:12,470 remind 1344 00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:26,549 Agenda item Bach 1345 00:53:26,559 --> 00:53:27,280 agenda item. 1346 00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:29,359 >> Yeah, we're I'm gonna turn the rings 1347 00:53:29,359 --> 00:53:30,720 over. 1348 00:53:30,720 --> 00:53:36,630 >> Okay. 1349 00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:40,069 » All right. 1350 00:53:40,079 --> 00:53:40,800 » Go ahead. 1351 00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:42,640 >> Plan board. This is give you some 1352 00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:47,040 background. Typically, this plan, the hazard, the original hazard 1353 00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:48,559 mitigation plan has never gone through 1354 00:53:48,559 --> 00:53:51,119 the plan board. It's been advertised on 1355 00:53:51,119 --> 00:53:53,920 our website for the past uh probably for 1356 00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:57,920 the past year. The draft uh ordinances 1357 00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:00,640 uh is here if if you want to look at it. 1358 00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:03,760 It's a a plan, a reasonable plan that we 1359 00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:06,480 went in with Brun County, Kendra County, 1360 00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:09,200 you had over in Hslo County. Um, but 1361 00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:11,599 it's it's a plan that helps out during 1362 00:54:11,599 --> 00:54:14,079 disasters. That's it right there. Yeah, 1363 00:54:14,079 --> 00:54:18,079 that's it there. It's online. 1364 00:54:18,079 --> 00:54:20,160 >> So, there's only two sections that you 1365 00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:21,920 have to look at, but this is going 1366 00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:24,640 moving forward to the board of alderman 1367 00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:27,680 uh at the next week's meeting. They'll 1368 00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:30,160 hopefully pass it with the resolution. 1369 00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:32,319 um every five years the town did not 1370 00:54:32,319 --> 00:54:34,559 have to pay for this. Uh a private 1371 00:54:34,559 --> 00:54:37,440 company come up with it. Staff does give 1372 00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:39,839 comments on it and during this past year 1373 00:54:39,839 --> 00:54:42,480 is is Bailey's put it on the town's 1374 00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:45,599 website and asked for comments and we 1375 00:54:45,599 --> 00:54:48,160 didn't receive any but 1376 00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:51,040 >> yeah the town manager just wanted to let 1377 00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:54,319 y'all be aware of it and uh like I say 1378 00:54:54,319 --> 00:54:56,559 it's going to the board of alderman next 1379 00:54:56,559 --> 00:54:58,480 week. If you have any comments, I'll be 1380 00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:00,160 glad to give it to them. So, what do 1381 00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:01,200 they do? 1382 00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:03,200 >> Oh, go ahead. No, go ahead. 1383 00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:04,640 >> Are they just going to accept it? Is 1384 00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:06,319 that what they do typically? Just they 1385 00:55:06,319 --> 00:55:09,200 say we accept bill consent agenda. There 1386 00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:11,760 may be a few questions here and there, 1387 00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:14,319 but basically staff put some comments on 1388 00:55:14,319 --> 00:55:16,160 it. Like one of the things we added this 1389 00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:19,599 year was for a bulkhead installation was 1390 00:55:19,599 --> 00:55:21,040 to put that in there in case we get 1391 00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:23,280 damaged during a storm. Maybe we can get 1392 00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:25,280 some reimbursements from the federal 1393 00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:27,440 government on those things. Now is that 1394 00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:29,920 when you says a plan, it's stuff is 1395 00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:32,559 activity go forward, right? Go forward 1396 00:55:32,559 --> 00:55:33,760 activity in there. 1397 00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:35,520 >> There's actions or things that you want 1398 00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:37,920 to do actions and most of it's backed up 1399 00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:40,480 by county. If you look at it, we piggy 1400 00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:43,040 back with county on this. And how far is 1401 00:55:43,040 --> 00:55:45,599 the plan go out? 1402 00:55:45,599 --> 00:55:47,440 >> Four, five year. Every five years this 1403 00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:50,240 is due. So So that the action steps in 1404 00:55:50,240 --> 00:55:52,000 are to occur over the next five years. 1405 00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:54,000 >> Yes. And sometimes they may delay. It 1406 00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:56,400 just depends on funding. So, just wanted 1407 00:55:56,400 --> 00:55:58,319 to bring it to your attention. There was 1408 00:55:58,319 --> 00:56:00,640 no advertisement requirements on this. 1409 00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:03,440 Uh, so this is the first time. So, if 1410 00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:05,119 you got comments, I'll be glad to share 1411 00:56:05,119 --> 00:56:06,559 it with them. 1412 00:56:06,559 --> 00:56:08,079 >> I I did I didn't read the whole thing, 1413 00:56:08,079 --> 00:56:10,000 but I did. Tony's got it very well 1414 00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:12,480 flagged for section 7 to nine. It's 1415 00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:15,760 focused on that. And it's more it looks 1416 00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:17,920 more ominous than it is because there's 1417 00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:19,839 like a page for 1418 00:56:19,839 --> 00:56:22,319 >> every municipality on every subject. So, 1419 00:56:22,319 --> 00:56:24,640 that's why it got so thick. But the only 1420 00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:26,160 thing that I noticed, Tony, that it's 1421 00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:29,599 always bothered me is um and a lot of 1422 00:56:29,599 --> 00:56:31,520 municipalities do not have this, but we 1423 00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:33,520 do not have a post disaster 1424 00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:36,319 redevelopment ordinance. And I've always 1425 00:56:36,319 --> 00:56:38,720 wondered what happens when we get the 1426 00:56:38,720 --> 00:56:42,079 big blow it destroys downtown, 1427 00:56:42,079 --> 00:56:43,760 >> you know, and I get that question from 1428 00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:45,680 the highrises all the time. 1429 00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:46,319 >> Yeah. 1430 00:56:46,319 --> 00:56:48,640 >> Sue Sue will ask that question. Sue Bull 1431 00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:49,520 all the time. 1432 00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:51,599 >> And I think this is what you got to say. 1433 00:56:51,599 --> 00:56:53,599 Let's say Cat Path towers. Mhm. 1434 00:56:53,599 --> 00:56:56,160 >> What happens tomorrow if that goes down? 1435 00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:57,359 Well, there's going to be a lot of 1436 00:56:57,359 --> 00:56:59,040 things that happen. Those individuals 1437 00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:01,520 are going to get together, attorney up, 1438 00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:03,920 change text amendments, ordinances, 1439 00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:06,720 lawsuits to build it back, and maybe a 1440 00:57:06,720 --> 00:57:07,839 little bit higher. 1441 00:57:07,839 --> 00:57:10,400 >> So, I think it's it's difficult to write 1442 00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:14,640 a post disaster ordinance to cover 1443 00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:17,119 everything. I think it's it it happens 1444 00:57:17,119 --> 00:57:18,960 just like if we have a fire in one of 1445 00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:21,200 these places. Yeah. I think 1446 00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:22,799 unfortunately I don't know if other 1447 00:57:22,799 --> 00:57:24,880 communities do. I'll be glad to look at 1448 00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:25,359 that. 1449 00:57:25,359 --> 00:57:26,480 >> Most of them don't. 1450 00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:28,720 >> Yeah, most looked at the list. Most of 1451 00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:30,640 them don't. But I guess I was thinking 1452 00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:32,000 and you make a good point about the 1453 00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:33,599 highrises. I hadn't thought about those, 1454 00:57:33,599 --> 00:57:36,160 but I'm thinking about downtown where 1455 00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:38,799 you've got individual little ownerships, 1456 00:57:38,799 --> 00:57:39,520 >> right? 1457 00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:42,960 >> And if we lose that and we lose it for a 1458 00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:46,240 long time, what happens to the town 1459 00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:47,280 economy? 1460 00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:49,520 >> Yeah. And should we try to get a 1461 00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:51,599 disaster plan in place maybe just for 1462 00:57:51,599 --> 00:57:52,319 that section? 1463 00:57:52,319 --> 00:57:54,240 >> We we we could and we get questions 1464 00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:56,880 about that. One of the things that may 1465 00:57:56,880 --> 00:57:58,160 have to happen, you know, those 1466 00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:00,400 individuals 1467 00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:03,599 may have to come and ask for exemptions, 1468 00:58:03,599 --> 00:58:05,680 variances on their businesses to put 1469 00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:06,400 them. 1470 00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:10,160 >> Yeah. They have that happen. Yeah. It's 1471 00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:12,160 just like a code upgrade. You burn the 1472 00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:13,440 ground. You don't get to build it back 1473 00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:15,119 the way it's before with the old wiring. 1474 00:58:15,119 --> 00:58:17,760 You gota you got to go to the new code 1475 00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:20,000 >> pretty much pretty much anything you 1476 00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:21,359 know fire 1477 00:58:21,359 --> 00:58:23,520 >> dock gets knocked down everything's you 1478 00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:24,640 couldn't build your house back the way 1479 00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:25,760 you had 1480 00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:28,559 >> and you wouldn't but you know had to 1481 00:58:28,559 --> 00:58:29,200 tear down 1482 00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:30,559 >> but we get those questions from the 1483 00:58:30,559 --> 00:58:35,119 yacht club all the time Caroline parking 1484 00:58:35,119 --> 00:58:35,599 >> but 1485 00:58:35,599 --> 00:58:38,160 >> I was just thinking if we had a disaster 1486 00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:40,319 yeah what do they call it a post 1487 00:58:40,319 --> 00:58:43,040 disaster redevelopment ordinance in 1488 00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:46,240 place just for the downtown area. It 1489 00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:50,240 would expedite their ability to reel. 1490 00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:51,760 >> It's not that we have to do tomorrow, 1491 00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:54,079 but it seems to me that, you know, 1492 00:58:54,079 --> 00:58:55,520 >> I'll look into it. 1493 00:58:55,520 --> 00:58:57,200 >> Might want to consider doing that. 1494 00:58:57,200 --> 00:58:58,480 >> Like I'd like to know what happened to 1495 00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:00,160 the people in California that's in that 1496 00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:02,240 area. They're just sitting there. 1497 00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:04,799 They're not getting any permits. 1498 00:59:04,799 --> 00:59:06,240 >> I was thinking the exact same thing you 1499 00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:07,440 were. 1500 00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:09,520 >> That's a good suggestion. Would it just 1501 00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:11,040 burn? And what about Hawaii? 1502 00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:13,680 >> Where would we think 1503 00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:14,799 about 1504 00:59:14,799 --> 00:59:16,079 with what drink. 1505 00:59:16,079 --> 00:59:17,920 >> But you know, the thing is it's it's not 1506 00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:19,440 just what the town does because you got 1507 00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:21,280 the state building codes. I mean, you 1508 00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:23,440 can't override those, right? 1509 00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:25,280 >> Got to follow the state building 1510 00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:26,160 accessibility. 1511 00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:28,559 >> Yeah. So, it's like layer on top of 1512 00:59:28,559 --> 00:59:29,040 layer. 1513 00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:29,920 >> Yeah. You know, 1514 00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:32,319 >> but look how long it'll take. 1515 00:59:32,319 --> 00:59:33,280 >> I don't disagree with what you're 1516 00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:34,640 saying. I think it's a good idea, but 1517 00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:36,240 it's just like you can't the town just 1518 00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:37,599 can't wave their hand and say, "Well, 1519 00:59:37,599 --> 00:59:39,760 we're not going to adhere to the state. 1520 00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:42,079 We ought to get something." So we don't 1521 00:59:42,079 --> 00:59:44,079 need to 1522 00:59:44,079 --> 00:59:46,960 truth that you the state will over 1523 00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:48,400 >> well you have to of course the state 1524 00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:49,839 don't know yet 1525 00:59:49,839 --> 00:59:52,559 >> yeah but there are things that when I 1526 00:59:52,559 --> 00:59:54,559 say the channel the board of automan can 1527 00:59:54,559 --> 00:59:57,280 give variances to blood things like that 1528 00:59:57,280 --> 00:59:59,520 they don't like to but they can 1529 00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:01,839 >> so we don't need to do anything on this 1530 01:00:01,839 --> 01:00:04,559 >> I'm just tell them I introduce it to you 1531 01:00:04,559 --> 01:00:07,200 and move to them we'll see what and 1532 01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:08,640 Robert's got the last one 1533 01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:13,200 >> we're going to move on to agenda Item C. 1534 01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:14,160 That's right. She's in 1535 01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:21,190 >> charge. 1536 01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:25,030 Pardon me, ma'am. 1537 01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:30,950 » Okay. 1538 01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:34,079 » Sorry. This is just uh this isn't 1539 01:00:34,079 --> 01:00:35,680 anything that needs to be voted on. This 1540 01:00:35,680 --> 01:00:37,839 is just that uh every year we put 1541 01:00:37,839 --> 01:00:41,920 together the planning board u um the 1542 01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:43,920 planning board report which is just a 1543 01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:45,599 compilation of all the planning board 1544 01:00:45,599 --> 01:00:48,480 packets uh from the previous year. I 1545 01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:50,319 include an executive summary, 1546 01:00:50,319 --> 01:00:53,920 attendance, all the um all the agenda 1547 01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:56,960 items and the votes uh on those agenda 1548 01:00:56,960 --> 01:01:00,319 items and then include uh the packet 1549 01:01:00,319 --> 01:01:04,480 sort of as a as a uh table of contents 1550 01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:07,599 for you to review. Um it's nothing that 1551 01:01:07,599 --> 01:01:09,359 you haven't seen. It's just there's a 1552 01:01:09,359 --> 01:01:11,200 brief summary in the very beginning 1553 01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:13,440 followed by all of your packets and then 1554 01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:16,160 we file it away in case we need to refer 1555 01:01:16,160 --> 01:01:17,920 to something quickly. Yeah, 1556 01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:20,400 >> that's that's all it is. This is a we 1557 01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:22,480 present it to the board of alderman. Uh 1558 01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:24,960 Tony wanted to put it on the agenda 1559 01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:27,520 tonight just as just as a heads up just 1560 01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:30,799 to say that yes indeed we did complete 1561 01:01:30,799 --> 01:01:31,119 it. 1562 01:01:31,119 --> 01:01:33,280 >> What's the year? What's the year date? 1563 01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:36,000 Is it December 31st for the town? 1564 01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:36,559 >> Uh 1565 01:01:36,559 --> 01:01:37,920 >> what what's the year? 1566 01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:39,839 >> It goes until Janu uh it goes until 1567 01:01:39,839 --> 01:01:42,160 January. The end of because that's when 1568 01:01:42,160 --> 01:01:43,440 the calendar year ends. 1569 01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:44,880 >> Yeah, that's what what's the town's 1570 01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:48,319 calendar year. Um, well, it it would run 1571 01:01:48,319 --> 01:01:50,400 with the elections when the board 1572 01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:50,880 changes. 1573 01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:52,000 >> Oh, right. Right. 1574 01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:54,319 >> So, they take over in January and then 1575 01:01:54,319 --> 01:01:55,680 >> Yes. 1576 01:01:55,680 --> 01:01:56,240 >> You read it. 1577 01:01:56,240 --> 01:01:58,559 >> I read the page of J. 1578 01:01:58,559 --> 01:02:02,960 >> I uh Robert, there is one uh 1579 01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:04,720 >> found one mistake in there, Robert. 1580 01:02:04,720 --> 01:02:06,480 >> Well, I don't know that really matters, 1581 01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:09,520 but it says in there that I replaced uh 1582 01:02:09,520 --> 01:02:10,480 Cheryl. 1583 01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:10,880 >> Okay. 1584 01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:15,520 >> And I didn't. Uh either Adam or uh 1585 01:02:15,520 --> 01:02:16,720 Andrew. 1586 01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:17,520 >> Andrew did. 1587 01:02:17,520 --> 01:02:19,839 and then I replaced Andrew. 1588 01:02:19,839 --> 01:02:22,319 He had to leave. 1589 01:02:22,319 --> 01:02:23,520 >> Yeah. 1590 01:02:23,520 --> 01:02:26,559 >> So that's the only thing I saw and I 1591 01:02:26,559 --> 01:02:26,960 don't know. 1592 01:02:26,960 --> 01:02:30,640 >> So Cheryl came off of because of terms 1593 01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:31,119 out. 1594 01:02:31,119 --> 01:02:33,520 >> Andrew came off because he moved off the 1595 01:02:33,520 --> 01:02:34,000 beach. 1596 01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:36,880 >> Yeah. He was on for a couple months. 1597 01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:38,480 >> You got him in the in the middle. 1598 01:02:38,480 --> 01:02:43,040 >> We rather have you rather have him. 1599 01:02:43,040 --> 01:02:45,359 I'll adjust the report. I'll just switch 1600 01:02:45,359 --> 01:02:46,319 up that one and 1601 01:02:46,319 --> 01:02:47,599 >> change that one. 1602 01:02:47,599 --> 01:02:50,960 >> I'll change that one page and call it. 1603 01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:54,870 Thank you. 1604 01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:58,240 » Well, I read the summary. 1605 01:02:58,240 --> 01:03:01,119 >> So, if there's nothing else with it, is 1606 01:03:01,119 --> 01:03:03,200 there a motion to adjourn? 1607 01:03:03,200 --> 01:03:04,240 >> I move. 1608 01:03:04,240 --> 01:03:06,480 >> A second. 1609 01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:08,240 You'll need a man crush, not a mad 1610 01:03:08,240 --> 01:03:10,400 actor.