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Commission for Tuesday,

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September 15th, 2026. Rose,

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would you please call the Roll

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Commissioner Watts, present.

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Hall here. Lamer. Here. Laplaca.

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Here. Randall. Here. Duchamp.

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Here. Weller here. Zapata. Here.

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Here. Approval of the minutes

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of August. Commissioners. Any

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questions, comments or concerns?

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Seeing none. The minutesill

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stand. Approval of the agenda,

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nor any changes tonight. There

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have been no changes to the

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agenda. Thank you. At this time,

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I'm going to open up public

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comment on non public hearing

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items. This public comment

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period is reserved for comment

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on non public items only. It's

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important to note that this is

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not an opportunity for dialog

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or debate, but an opportunity

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to provide comment to us. The

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Planning Commission upon

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approaching the podium, please

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begin by providing your name,

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your address and there's a

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three minute time limit. Seeing

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none, I will close. Rose, would

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you please read agenda item

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number one request for rezoning

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from e r estate residential and

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R-1 residential to PUD five

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plan to Golf Entertainment

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District at 5550 555. Ivan Rest

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of Southwest, section 32 and 33

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Steve Strzok, Maple Hill Golf

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Course. Colton. Good evening.

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Good evening commissioners. I'm

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here to present our first

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agenda item of the night, whi

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includes both a preliminary PUD

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approval as well as

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recommending the rezoning

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request at hand for this these

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two properties. So the request

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is for that PUD five

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designation. This ithe

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planned golf entertainment

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district. And the two parcels

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we're talking about, as Rose

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mentioned, is both 5550 555

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Iver Avenue southwest. So just

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to give some background. Many

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of you are familiar with PUD

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five, but generally speaking,

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this is a relatively new zoning

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district. This was actually

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established this past year. It

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came before this body in April

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was approved by City Council.

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In June of 2026. There were

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some primary factors that

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really drove this to be created

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in the first place. Unique

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zoning challenges that our

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current golf courses face,

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demand and economic benefits

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that come from some of those

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additional business recreation

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activities that a golf course

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could do. And doing this with

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the neighborhood in mind.

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Neighborhood sensitivity is one

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of those items that golf

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courses historically have been

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very good at, and ideally will

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continue under this type of

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zoning district. So due to some

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of those adjacent uses that are

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typically found next to golf

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courses, there have been a few

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things that were added as

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you're all aware. But just to

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make everyone aware into this

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PUD district, so that addresses

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lighting, setbacks, hours of

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operation and screening. Again,

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this district is meant for golf

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courses that wish to offer

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offer complimentary low volume

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business recreation activities

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to support that primary golf

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course. So just to go over the

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process as it is,ypically

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anytime someone would likto

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go for a PUDevelopment,

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there's a pre meeting. This is

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where staff actually meets with

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them, discusses the proposed

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project, what they would like

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to do and how it might align

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with with the city's goals and

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what those qualifying

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conditions are. Then the

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applicant would go for

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preliminary PUD and rezoning.

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So this consists of an

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application, a conceptual plan

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and a project narrative. This

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would ideally set that PUD in

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the framework of the district.

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And you can see here some of

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the the dates that are involved

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here today. Planning Commission

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reviews. It recommends approval

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denial to the City Council,

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which then reviews it on

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October 5th and November 2nd.

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The final step is for final PUD

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adoption, which runs

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concurrently with the site plan

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review. So this is just

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verifying that it's

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substantially consistent with

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that concept plan. But it

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drills much deeper into the

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specifics of site plan approval.

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If there's any special use

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requirements, all of those

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different factors and what the

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PUD district requires is

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verified and finalized at that

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point. So this i reviewed and

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apoved by Planning Commission.

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So generally speaking this is

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the PUD five concept plan that

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was submitted. I've added a

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legend just to help with some

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of the different featus that

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are on this site. There's a lot

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of different colors, so I just

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like to help break it down a

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little bit. Some of the

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existing buildings, which there

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are 11, are shown in orange. So

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you'll see a lot of it kind of

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congregating up. If I can get

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this feature to work. I'm

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having no luck. So I guess I'll

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just describe it. Everythg

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you see in orange, which is

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primarily focused on that

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existing golf course, our

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existing buildings. So a lot of

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this has to do with business

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recreation across the entire

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site. There's about 33,000ftS

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of existing buildings. What you

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see in red in that tannish

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color are proposed buildings,

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either through expansions of

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existing buildings or new

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buildings themselves. So you'll

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see some of these on the

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driving range parcel and some

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also on the golf course parcel.

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lots being proposed and then

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some additional business

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recreation features, mini golf,

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lawn seating and short game

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practice range. So some of

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those are focused on the

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driving range parcel.

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of that Western parcel is

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dedicated to the golf course

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itself. Sgoing to our

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rezoning revw standards,

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there are five. They range from

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master plan consistency to uses

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within the proposed zoning. All

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of these were included within

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your pact. And so throughout

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this presentation, I'll really

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be summarizing and making sure

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that the most important

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information is delivered. But

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again, all of thiis

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information you've already

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received in your packets and

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have had the chance to review

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PUD five. Review standards are

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cluded here, again ranging

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from location all the way to

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achievement of zoning and

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economic harmony. All of these

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different review standards are

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are really the qualifying

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conditions on whether or not

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something would meet the

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qualifications for a PUD five.

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Those have been, again,

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included in your packets, and

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we'll go over some of them here

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as well. So to begin the futures

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are designated as suburban

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redential and neighborhood

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commercial center. So as you're

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all familiar with this future

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land use designation, Suburban

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residential development. It

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also encourages PUD development.

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Neighborhood Commercial center

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is really meant for placemaking

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local neighborhood businesses

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that that really serve that

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neighborhood. So the proposed

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PUD plan does achieve that

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preserved open space component

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that is really desired in

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suburban residential. It talks

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about low volume commercial

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offerings and and gathering

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spaces within the neighborhood.

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intention of a few parcels in

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this case that have two

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different types of designations

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within the future land use. It

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also should be noted that that

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PUD five would achieve elements

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of the neighborhood commercial

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district that are fairly

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difficult, with a baseline

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business district that would

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offer a whole host of

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businesses that might not

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interact well with this type of

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future land use designation. So

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this is one way to achieve it.

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Land Use designation, this

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prosed project would align

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with it. Moving on to our

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zoning map, reference it here.

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But both of these parcels zoned

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residential, that's one of the

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key indicators that actually

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spurred on the designation of

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the PUD five district. It's the

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fact that under those E, R, R1,

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and R2 zoning districts, which

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all of the golf courses in

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Wyoming are in, there are

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severe limitations to what a

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golf course can do with regards

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to accessory structures, and

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I'll get into that more in just

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a moment. But you can see here

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we've got a variety of

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residential puds that are

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located nearby. Some mor

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recent developments that you're

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familiar with in the area. And

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you can see the current use

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again is that golf course use.

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state residential and R-1

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residential golf courses are

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permitted through special use

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approval. But as it stands

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right now, like I mentioned,

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expansion is not permitted.

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in this case is playing by the

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same rules that the single

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family house is playing by with

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regards to accessory structures.

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accessory structures, and it

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would be based on the square

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footage with with a pretty hard

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limit. That's the rules that

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all of our golf courses have

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been playing by. And, and PUD

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five was a way to allowome

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expansion that's still

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sensitive to the neighborhood.

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So the PUD five here in this

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case allows golf courses to

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function, expand in a manner

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that is sensitive to those

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neighbhood properties. Again,

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the idea here is to continue

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that low volume recreational

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activity, preserving green

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space and offering some of that

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neighborhood commercial

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activity. The properties to be

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rezoned here total over 100

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acres. The minimum requirement

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for PUD fiv that contains an

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18 hole golf course is 80cres,

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so that requirement is met. The

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current site is an 18 hole golf

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course, which would continue to

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be that primary use under the

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proposed PUD plan. All the

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activities that are being

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proposed here are merely to

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support that primary use. No

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housing is proposed in this PUD

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plan, which is one of the

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requirements, and the

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property's proposed to be

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rezoned, are currently served

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by public services and

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utilities. One thing that's

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noted as a condition is the

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requirement for that utility

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plan. Once site pn approval

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process comes through, as

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stated in section 9420 C, golf

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courses typically are found

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within those residentially

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zoned areas, which, as I've

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mentioned, can limit their

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ability to expand and adapt to

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the market needs in a creative

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manner. So PUD five seeks to

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resolve that, and in this case,

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the proposed PUD does involve a

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variety of different business

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recreation activities. As noted

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in your packet, this includes

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anything from mini golf to

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additional indoor space that

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could be dedicated toward

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business recreation, to fitting

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clubs or club fitting, as well

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as, you know, some event space

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for, you know, golf course,diffe

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through. So if it's an outing,

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thatavilion that was noted on

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the southern west portion of of

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the entire site would be

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dedicated towards that. So

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continued business recreation

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activity and open space in this

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case is suitable since it's

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adjacent to the intersections

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of 50. Excuse me, 56th and Ivan

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Rest. One thing to note here is

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that the location has

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functioned successfully for the

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past. I belve it's 58 years

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working well with the

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neighborhood. Finally, the

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applicant's plan does allow for

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that creativity while

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maintaining some of those

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community benefits that we

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talked about before. This

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includes green space

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preservation and recreational

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amenities. Now I'll talk about

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open space because when we look

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at all of our different zoning

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districts, specifically PUD

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five pertains to the most

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preservation. Probably the

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closest thing would be our PUD

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four, which would require at

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the most, 35% of the lot to be

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dedicated to open ace. In

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this case, we're seeing 98.25%

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of the lot dedicated towards

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open space. And this maintains

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that green space on the site

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and restricts buildings to

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1.75% of the total land area.

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So of that total, 1.75% of the

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total land area PUD five allows

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for a breakdown of different

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percentages to different types

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of buildings. This seeks to

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provide that healthy balance of

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business, recreation,

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activities, things that are new

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and can support the golf course,

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as well as things that are

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necessary, like maintenance and

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storage buildings. It also

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factors in incidental

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structures. So you'll see the

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breakdown here business,

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recreation, storage and

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maintenance and incidental

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structures all have maximum

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builng counts as well as

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maximum square footages. All of

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this does fall within that

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1.75% of total land area. In

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the case of Maple Hill, the

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applicant's only proposing to

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utilize 1.56% of that total

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land area for buildings.

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Currently, as I mentioned,

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there are 11 buildings on site.

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The applicants proposing to

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demolish two, construct three

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and expand two existing

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buildings. So you'll see the

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breakdown here. A total of 12

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structures totaling to around

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that 70,000 square foot mark.

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This is spread across the site

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and andoes fall within the

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requirements for building lot

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coverage and open space. One of

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the final few slides I'll cover

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is just the achievement of

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zoning and economic harmony.

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Three requirements actually

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must be met under the

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qualifying conditions and

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through a complementary mix of

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land uses, preservation of open

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space and green space, natural

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features included, and the

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creation of a community asset.

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All are found by staff to be

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some of those qualifying

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conditions that show the

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achievement of both zoning and

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economic harmony. Again

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achieving the overall purpose

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of PUD five. Finally, review

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considerations. This proposed

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PUD concept plan does does

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containhat required

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information to understand the

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project. For the purposes of

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rezoning and preliminary PUD

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consideration. So this is

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something that's typically done.

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That concept plais really

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just meant to give an

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understanding of what's being

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proposed. Generally speaking,

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it's not meant to substitute

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that site plan which will

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follow itngside with fin

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PUD approval. Site plan review

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is considered again, as I

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mentioned at a later stage.

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This ensures that the

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development meets all

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applicable site plan review

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requirements, things like

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stormwater and traffic. Those

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are not really considered at

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this stage. They're considered

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at that stage. Any buildings

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within that concept plan, if

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they are prosed to be changed,

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or if this concept plan were to

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change in the future, this

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would come back before planning

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commison for a PUD amendment,

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and we would follow the same

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notification process that we

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did before. One thing to note

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here is that within the PUD

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framework, there's the chance

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for the applicant to request

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deviations from what the

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requirements are, and in this

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case, the applicant is not

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requesting any of those and is

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and is wanting to follow all of

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the regulations set in PUD five

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and any conditions relating to

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that future site plan

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requirements. Those are noted

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as conditions. So you'll notice

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in your packets, condition two

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does just give the applicant a

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heads up of all the different

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requirements that will need to

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be met f site plan review.

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With that, the development

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Review team recommends Planning

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Commission grant the PUD five

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rezoning request at 5550 555

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Avenue Southwest, and recommend

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the same to City Council,

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subject to conditions one and

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two. I'm available if anyone

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has any questions. Thank you,

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thank you. Colton. At this time,

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I'm going to open up public

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comment period on agenda item

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number one. Again, it's

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important to note that this is

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not an opportunity for dialog

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or debate, but an opportunity

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provide comments to us. The

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Planning Commission can, upon

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approag the podium, please

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folks podium provide you

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provide your name, your address,

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and you have a three minute

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time limit. Anybody like to

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come up? And as you'll see, and

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I'll remind you too,here's

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three minutes. Yep. Thank you.

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So I don't want to be rude and

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say you got five. I'm watching

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it too, so I will, but inperiode

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welcome. Alright. My name is

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Jeff. I reside at 2972 South

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Horseshoe Drive, southwest

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649418. Good evening, members

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of the Pnning Commission. I'm

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speaking on behalf of our

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neighborhood coalition. We

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strongly oppose rezoning Maple

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Hill Golf District from

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residential zoning to a PUD

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five planned golfntertainment

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district granting permanent

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commercial rezoning before true

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engineering and environmental

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due diligence is completed

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seems premature. Specifically,

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the proposed building

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footprints and impermeable

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paving encroach directly into

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vulnerable local floodplains,

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sensitive wetland areas, and

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natural drainage corridors tied

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to the hmful drain system.

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This reality is officially

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documented in Kent County Drain

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Commission records, the Buck

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Creek Watershed Management Plan

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and Municipal Planning reports

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under part 303 of the Michigan

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Natural Resources Environmental

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Protection Act. Excuse me.

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These vital environmental areas

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require strict prior statutory

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oversight from the Michigan

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Department of Environment,

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Great Lakes and Energy, or Ee.

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When you repce mature turf,

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absorbent topsoil and natural

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contours with massive

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commercial structures and

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asphalt, the land's natural

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infiltration capacity drops to

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near zero. This drastic

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reduction in permeability

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accelerates surface runoff

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directly toward neighboring

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residential yards, such as my

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own, worsening local water

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table imbalances and straining

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the existing ditches without

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rigorous state level guarantees

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and comprehensive stormwater

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00:17:43,062 --> 00:17:47,733
drainage protection. Altering

579
00:17:44,863 --> 00:17:49,768
these natural drainage routes

580
00:17:46,331 --> 00:17:51,236
leaves adjacent homeowners to

581
00:17:47,833 --> 00:17:53,072
shoulder severe structural,

582
00:17:49,868 --> 00:17:54,073
foundational, and water damage

583
00:17:51,336 --> 00:17:55,541
risks. We cannot afford to

584
00:17:53,172 --> 00:17:57,676
gamble with our community's

585
00:17:54,173 --> 00:17:59,111
water management infrastructure

586
00:17:55,641 --> 00:18:01,113
for a commercial concept plan,

587
00:17:58,043 --> 00:18:02,748
we urge the commission to

588
00:17:59,211 --> 00:18:04,716
protect our watershed, uphold

589
00:18:01,213 --> 00:18:11,423
state environmental protections,

590
00:18:02,848 --> 00:18:14,393
and reject this PUD five

591
00:18:04,817 --> 00:18:16,395
rezoning. Thank you, thank you.

592
00:18:11,523 --> 00:18:18,597
My name is Greg Warson. 2977

593
00:18:14,493 --> 00:18:19,731
Florence Drive, southwest

594
00:18:16,495 --> 00:18:20,799
Wyoming. I'm also speaking on

595
00:18:18,697 --> 00:18:22,568
behalf of the Neighborhood

596
00:18:19,832 --> 00:18:24,336
Coalition, who opposes the

597
00:18:20,899 --> 00:18:27,206
Maple Hill proposal for

598
00:18:22,668 --> 00:18:28,740
rezoning. As noting, regarding

599
00:18:24,436 --> 00:18:30,476
the lack of engineering and due

600
00:18:27,306 --> 00:18:31,577
diligence, this proposal

601
00:18:28,841 --> 00:18:33,745
advances without complete

602
00:18:30,576 --> 00:18:35,180
independent studies required

603
00:18:31,677 --> 00:18:37,616
under the Wyoming Zoning Zoning

604
00:18:33,846 --> 00:18:40,519
Ordinance and Standard

605
00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:42,721
Municipal Municipal Site Plan

606
00:18:37,716 --> 00:18:44,189
review guidelines. Specifically,

607
00:18:40,619 --> 00:18:46,692
this application lacks

608
00:18:42,821 --> 00:18:49,194
comprehensive stormwater

609
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shifting data, detailed decibel

610
00:18:46,792 --> 00:18:53,532
noise projections, and

611
00:18:49,294 --> 00:18:55,367
certified heavy vehicle routing

612
00:18:51,096 --> 00:18:57,503
plans under municipal Planning

613
00:18:53,632 --> 00:18:59,338
criteria and standard site plan

614
00:18:55,467 --> 00:19:00,339
review requirements. Granting

615
00:18:57,603 --> 00:19:02,908
permanent zoning changes.

616
00:18:59,438 --> 00:19:04,309
Without these baseline

617
00:19:00,439 --> 00:19:06,478
technical reports violates

618
00:19:03,008 --> 00:19:08,580
standard municipal planning

619
00:19:04,409 --> 00:19:10,082
practices, practices, records

620
00:19:06,578 --> 00:19:12,050
from Egle and local planning

621
00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:14,820
standards dictate tha

622
00:19:10,182 --> 00:19:16,922
commercial expansions adjacent

623
00:19:12,918 --> 00:19:17,689
to residential zones must

624
00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:20,559
provide verifiable

625
00:19:17,022 --> 00:19:22,728
environmental and traffic

626
00:19:17,823 --> 00:19:24,463
pact data before any formal

627
00:19:20,659 --> 00:19:26,665
consideratio Approving the

628
00:19:22,828 --> 00:19:28,167
conditional zoning without this,

629
00:19:24,563 --> 00:19:30,636
mandatory documentation forces

630
00:19:26,765 --> 00:19:33,071
neighborhood residents to bear

631
00:19:28,267 --> 00:19:35,674
the full burden of uncertainty

632
00:19:30,736 --> 00:19:37,109
regarding structural, acoustic,

633
00:19:33,172 --> 00:19:38,844
and environmental disruptions.

634
00:19:35,774 --> 00:19:40,012
Commercial applicants in their

635
00:19:37,209 --> 00:19:41,680
engineering teams often expect

636
00:19:38,944 --> 00:19:43,549
residential opposition to focus

637
00:19:40,112 --> 00:19:46,051
solely on emotional or

638
00:19:41,780 --> 00:19:47,486
superficial complaints. But our

639
00:19:43,649 --> 00:19:49,655
neighborhoods data driven, data

640
00:19:46,151 --> 00:19:51,823
driven concerns focused

641
00:19:47,586 --> 00:19:53,659
directly on these missing

642
00:19:49,755 --> 00:19:55,093
technical studies. Without

643
00:19:51,924 --> 00:19:56,862
verified decibel modeling and

644
00:19:53,759 --> 00:19:58,664
traffic routing, we are left

645
00:19:55,194 --> 00:20:00,465
entirely in the dark regarding

646
00:19:56,962 --> 00:20:03,402
the operational noise and the

647
00:19:58,764 --> 00:20:04,903
transport risks that these

648
00:20:00,566 --> 00:20:07,372
commercial structures introduce.

649
00:20:03,502 --> 00:20:09,174
Thus, I urge the Commission and

650
00:20:05,003 --> 00:20:11,310
the City Council to protect our

651
00:20:07,472 --> 00:20:13,445
community safety and property

652
00:20:09,274 --> 00:20:15,647
values by denying this

653
00:20:11,410 --> 00:20:16,648
premature zoning. Please accept

654
00:20:13,745 --> 00:20:17,749
my thanks for your time and

655
00:20:15,747 --> 00:20:26,358
attention and your important

656
00:20:16,748 --> 00:20:27,793
work on this Planning

657
00:20:17,849 --> 00:20:30,829
Commission. Thank you. Sam.

658
00:20:26,458 --> 00:20:32,898
2972 South Horseshoe Drive,

659
00:20:27,893 --> 00:20:34,666
southwest 49418. Hello, my name

660
00:20:31,363 --> 00:20:35,734
is Sam and I am speaking on

661
00:20:32,998 --> 00:20:37,836
behalf of our neighborhood

662
00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:39,404
alition, which opposes the

663
00:20:35,834 --> 00:20:40,739
Maple Hill rezoning request.

664
00:20:37,936 --> 00:20:42,574
While I recognize that the

665
00:20:39,504 --> 00:20:44,376
Maple Hill Golf Course has been

666
00:20:41,406 --> 00:20:47,246
a recreational part of this

667
00:20:42,674 --> 00:20:49,081
community for more than five

668
00:20:44,476 --> 00:20:50,882
decades, the proposed PUD five

669
00:20:47,346 --> 00:20:53,018
rezoning introduces a level of

670
00:20:49,181 --> 00:20:54,019
commercial activity that we

671
00:20:50,983 --> 00:20:58,490
believe is fundamentally

672
00:20:53,118 --> 00:21:00,959
incompatible with our

673
00:20:54,119 --> 00:21:02,027
established residentialneighbore

674
00:20:58,590 --> 00:21:03,795
concept plan includes a 300

675
00:21:01,059 --> 00:21:05,631
zero square foot commercial

676
00:21:02,127 --> 00:21:07,099
warehouse and loading dock on

677
00:21:03,895 --> 00:21:09,601
property that directly borders

678
00:21:05,731 --> 00:21:11,436
single family backyards,

679
00:21:07,199 --> 00:21:13,905
including my own, a warehouse

680
00:21:09,701 --> 00:21:15,340
and loading operation of this

681
00:21:11,536 --> 00:21:17,142
size brings commercial trucks,

682
00:21:14,006 --> 00:21:18,644
deliveries, loading and

683
00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:20,012
unloading, and backup alarms

684
00:21:17,242 --> 00:21:21,847
when those activities are

685
00:21:18,744 --> 00:21:23,315
taking place right behind

686
00:21:20,112 --> 00:21:25,017
people's homes, they ve the

687
00:21:21,947 --> 00:21:27,552
potential to significantly

688
00:21:23,415 --> 00:21:29,054
change theeaceful character

689
00:21:25,117 --> 00:21:30,856
of our neighborhood. The

690
00:21:27,653 --> 00:21:31,957
applicant's presentation and

691
00:21:29,154 --> 00:21:35,494
concept documents emphasize

692
00:21:30,956 --> 00:21:37,329
that the proposed buildings

693
00:21:32,057 --> 00:21:39,831
would cover just 1.56% of the

694
00:21:35,594 --> 00:21:42,367
overall property, sitting

695
00:21:37,429 --> 00:21:43,669
slightly below the 1.75 maximum,

696
00:21:39,931 --> 00:21:48,040
as we heard earlier. But that

697
00:21:42,467 --> 00:21:49,174
percentage does not tell the

698
00:21:43,769 --> 00:21:50,976
whole story. Having open space

699
00:21:48,140 --> 00:21:52,577
elsewhere on the property does

700
00:21:49,274 --> 00:21:54,579
not lessen the impact of

701
00:21:51,076 --> 00:21:56,748
placing a commercial warehouse

702
00:21:52,678 --> 00:21:59,251
and loading operation of this

703
00:21:54,680 --> 00:22:00,719
size directly alongside

704
00:21:56,848 --> 00:22:02,921
residential backyards. For

705
00:21:59,351 --> 00:22:04,089
families whose homes border

706
00:22:00,819 --> 00:22:06,091
this property, this isn't just

707
00:22:03,021 --> 00:22:08,660
about what percent of the land

708
00:22:04,256 --> 00:22:09,728
is being developed, it's about

709
00:22:06,191 --> 00:22:11,563
what will be right outside our

710
00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:13,298
backyards and how that will

711
00:22:09,828 --> 00:22:15,067
affect not only our property

712
00:22:11,663 --> 00:22:19,071
values, but the way we live in

713
00:22:13,398 --> 00:22:20,806
and enjoy our homes and

714
00:22:15,167 --> 00:22:22,240
communy. We believe the

715
00:22:19,171 --> 00:22:23,342
requested changes are simply

716
00:22:20,906 --> 00:22:25,544
not compatible with the

717
00:22:22,341 --> 00:22:26,611
residential neighborhood that

718
00:22:23,709 --> 00:22:29,147
is already here. For those

719
00:22:25,644 --> 00:22:30,916
reasons, we respectfully ask

720
00:22:26,712 --> 00:22:40,325
the Planning Commission not to

721
00:22:29,247 --> 00:22:41,860
recommend the approval of this

722
00:22:31,016 --> 00:22:44,062
rezoning. Thank you, thank you.

723
00:22:40,425 --> 00:22:45,397
Good evening. Members of the

724
00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:47,232
Planning Commission, neighbors

725
00:22:44,162 --> 00:22:50,369
and residents of Wyoming. My

726
00:22:45,497 --> 00:22:52,504
name is Lisa Homes, and I live

727
00:22:48,533 --> 00:22:54,706
at 2965 South Horseshoe Drive,

728
00:22:50,469 --> 00:22:57,175
southwest, a property that is

729
00:22:52,604 --> 00:22:59,478
within the 600ft of the

730
00:22:54,806 --> 00:23:00,879
proposed Maple Hills, PUD five

731
00:22:57,275 --> 00:23:02,981
rezoning. I have come re

732
00:22:59,578 --> 00:23:06,218
tonight to speak on behalf of

733
00:23:00,979 --> 00:23:08,320
our neighborhood coalition

734
00:23:03,081 --> 00:23:10,489
opposing this rezoning. The

735
00:23:06,318 --> 00:23:13,024
intensification of neighrhood.

736
00:23:08,420 --> 00:23:15,861
Excuse me. The intensification

737
00:23:11,189 --> 00:23:18,063
of commercial uses proposed,

738
00:23:13,125 --> 00:23:23,435
which includes a multi use

739
00:23:15,961 --> 00:23:27,506
miniature golf course, a retail

740
00:23:18,163 --> 00:23:29,975
ice cream operation and anindusc

741
00:23:23,535 --> 00:23:33,311
will place an excessive burden

742
00:23:27,606 --> 00:23:35,313
on the Avon Avenue and 56th

743
00:23:30,075 --> 00:23:37,582
Street corridor. Traffic and

744
00:23:33,412 --> 00:23:39,718
planning data show that this

745
00:23:35,414 --> 00:23:43,321
regional intersection is

746
00:23:37,682 --> 00:23:46,158
heavily congested during peak

747
00:23:39,818 --> 00:23:49,094
hours. These uses will increase

748
00:23:43,422 --> 00:23:51,530
the traffic, vehicle turnover,

749
00:23:46,258 --> 00:23:54,099
commeral deliveries and over

750
00:23:49,194 --> 00:23:58,036
activity in an areahat is

751
00:23:51,630 --> 00:23:59,838
already experiencing

752
00:23:54,199 --> 00:24:02,007
significant congestion.

753
00:23:58,136 --> 00:24:04,910
Introducing increased vehicle

754
00:23:59,938 --> 00:24:08,113
turnover, commercial delivery

755
00:24:02,107 --> 00:24:10,348
trucks and hh volume patrons

756
00:24:05,010 --> 00:24:12,417
will also directly compromise

757
00:24:08,213 --> 00:24:15,353
pedestrian safety. School

758
00:24:10,449 --> 00:24:17,823
traffic and area residents

759
00:24:12,517 --> 00:24:20,392
using the Kent Trails Network,

760
00:24:15,454 --> 00:24:21,860
while major streets are

761
00:24:17,923 --> 00:24:25,764
designed to handle the regional

762
00:24:20,492 --> 00:24:28,266
traffic better than local side

763
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:30,836
streets, the specific influx of

764
00:24:25,864 --> 00:24:34,739
commercial delivery vehicles

765
00:24:28,366 --> 00:24:36,508
mixing with pedestrian traffic

766
00:24:30,936 --> 00:24:38,343
creates severe safety hazards.

767
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:40,145
Approving a conditional

768
00:24:36,608 --> 00:24:42,781
rezoning without a

769
00:24:38,443 --> 00:24:46,751
comprehensive independent

770
00:24:40,245 --> 00:24:49,855
traffic impact study ignores

771
00:24:42,881 --> 00:24:50,922
the very real daily risks that

772
00:24:46,852 --> 00:24:53,024
are posed to our children, our

773
00:24:49,955 --> 00:24:57,395
bicyclists, and the families

774
00:24:51,022 --> 00:25:00,398
that navigate this corridor

775
00:24:53,124 --> 00:25:04,002
daily. We cannot, nor should we

776
00:24:57,496 --> 00:25:06,104
have to trade our local

777
00:25:00,499 --> 00:25:08,974
pedestrian safety and local

778
00:25:04,102 --> 00:25:10,742
non-motorized trail security

779
00:25:06,204 --> 00:25:13,979
for a unvetted commercial

780
00:25:09,074 --> 00:25:17,215
development on a corridor that

781
00:25:11,409 --> 00:25:19,451
is already stretched to its

782
00:25:14,079 --> 00:25:21,219
absolute limits. Therefore, we

783
00:25:17,315 --> 00:25:25,457
ask that a proper and

784
00:25:19,551 --> 00:25:29,461
comprehensive traff impact

785
00:25:21,319 --> 00:25:37,769
study be done before you before

786
00:25:25,557 --> 00:25:40,672
any rezoning decision is. Thank

787
00:25:29,561 --> 00:25:43,074
you, thank you. Hi, my name is

788
00:25:37,869 --> 00:25:45,043
Susan Morrison and I live at

789
00:25:40,772 --> 00:25:47,479
2977 Florence Drive, southwest.

790
00:25:43,174 --> 00:25:50,348
I'm speaking tonight on behalf

791
00:25:45,210 --> 00:25:53,585
of our neighborhood coalition,

792
00:25:47,579 --> 00:25:55,720
which opposes the Maple Hill

793
00:25:50,448 --> 00:25:58,657
rezoning request. The applicant

794
00:25:53,685 --> 00:26:00,792
relies heavily on the newly

795
00:25:55,820 --> 00:26:02,894
established PUD five framework.

796
00:25:58,757 --> 00:26:05,797
True. That frameworkas

797
00:26:00,892 --> 00:26:07,999
created to allow things like

798
00:26:02,994 --> 00:26:10,468
small scale event spaces,

799
00:26:05,897 --> 00:26:14,806
restaurants, or club fitting

800
00:26:08,099 --> 00:26:18,176
things that naturally support a

801
00:26:10,569 --> 00:26:20,178
golf course. However, it was

802
00:26:14,906 --> 00:26:22,414
never meant to cover industrial

803
00:26:18,276 --> 00:26:24,583
warehouses, logistics centers,

804
00:26:20,278 --> 00:26:26,685
loading docks, or truck traffic

805
00:26:22,514 --> 00:26:31,890
around the perimeterf the

806
00:26:24,683 --> 00:26:36,061
property directl next to

807
00:26:26,785 --> 00:26:37,862
nearby homes. Trying to trying

808
00:26:32,023 --> 00:26:40,699
to build a 30,000 square foot

809
00:26:36,161 --> 00:26:43,735
distribution distribution

810
00:26:37,963 --> 00:26:45,103
facility and calling it a golf

811
00:26:40,799 --> 00:26:47,205
amenity that completely throws

812
00:26:43,835 --> 00:26:50,508
off the balance between

813
00:26:45,203 --> 00:26:52,644
neighborhood green space and

814
00:26:47,305 --> 00:26:54,613
residential property lines. We

815
00:26:50,609 --> 00:26:56,915
have to hold the applicant to

816
00:26:52,744 --> 00:26:59,818
what PUD five was actually

817
00:26:54,713 --> 00:27:02,687
written for, instead of letting

818
00:26:57,248 --> 00:27:05,223
it act as a back door for heavy

819
00:26:59,918 --> 00:27:07,058
commercial expansion. If a golf

820
00:27:02,787 --> 00:27:09,894
course is allowed to outline a

821
00:27:05,323 --> 00:27:13,131
large scale iustrial

822
00:27:07,158 --> 00:27:14,599
warehouse under the umbrella of

823
00:27:09,995 --> 00:27:16,601
golf course support, it

824
00:27:13,231 --> 00:27:21,039
completely breaks the point of

825
00:27:14,699 --> 00:27:24,643
having residential protections

826
00:27:16,701 --> 00:27:28,580
in our city in the first place.

827
00:27:21,139 --> 00:27:31,149
Zoning rules exist for a reason,

828
00:27:24,743 --> 00:27:33,284
and pushing PUD five way past

829
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:36,921
its intended purpose sets a

830
00:27:31,249 --> 00:27:38,957
dangerous precedent for every

831
00:27:33,385 --> 00:27:49,267
single neighborhood in Wyoming.

832
00:27:37,022 --> 00:27:53,171
Thank you for listening. Thank

833
00:27:39,057 --> 00:27:55,273
you. Good evening. My name is

834
00:27:49,367 --> 00:27:56,474
Rob Bosher. I live at 2980

835
00:27:53,271 --> 00:27:58,877
Florence Drive, and that's

836
00:27:55,373 --> 00:28:00,278
immediately east of the Maple

837
00:27:56,574 --> 00:28:03,148
Hill driving range. I'm

838
00:27:58,977 --> 00:28:05,350
speaking on behalf of our

839
00:28:00,378 --> 00:28:08,953
neighborhood coalition, which

840
00:28:03,248 --> 00:28:11,489
opposes the Maple Hill rezoning.

841
00:28:05,450 --> 00:28:14,693
Request. An examination of the

842
00:28:09,054 --> 00:28:15,794
concept site map in this

843
00:28:11,589 --> 00:28:18,630
proposal reveals troubling

844
00:28:14,793 --> 00:28:20,865
deficiencies in buffer lines

845
00:28:15,894 --> 00:28:24,069
and setbacks, particularly

846
00:28:18,730 --> 00:28:26,604
along the Eastern residential

847
00:28:20,965 --> 00:28:28,740
Property line. Proposed

848
00:28:24,169 --> 00:28:30,975
landscap buffer lines appear

849
00:28:26,705 --> 00:28:32,711
compressed or route directly

850
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:35,980
through existing structural

851
00:28:31,076 --> 00:28:38,249
areas. They fail to eliminate

852
00:28:32,811 --> 00:28:41,352
the physical, visual, and

853
00:28:36,081 --> 00:28:42,787
acoustic separation mandated by

854
00:28:38,349 --> 00:28:45,290
our local zoning ordinances.

855
00:28:41,453 --> 00:28:47,125
Accurate boundary mapping and

856
00:28:42,887 --> 00:28:48,960
strict adherence to setback

857
00:28:45,390 --> 00:28:51,830
requirements are the only

858
00:28:47,225 --> 00:28:55,366
barriers protecting adjacent

859
00:28:49,060 --> 00:28:58,536
homeowners from intrusive light

860
00:28:51,930 --> 00:29:01,072
and noise pollution. When the

861
00:28:55,467 --> 00:29:03,241
concept map shows margins that

862
00:28:58,636 --> 00:29:06,778
narrow near residential

863
00:29:01,172 --> 00:29:08,213
property lines, it demonstrates

864
00:29:03,541 --> 00:29:10,014
a mapping precision failure.

865
00:29:06,878 --> 00:29:11,816
This should be addressed by the

866
00:29:08,313 --> 00:29:14,753
Planning Commission before

867
00:29:10,115 --> 00:29:17,222
considering any rezoning

868
00:29:11,916 --> 00:29:19,057
approval. Residents residents

869
00:29:14,853 --> 00:29:21,559
should not have to guess

870
00:29:17,322 --> 00:29:23,795
whether visual and acoustic

871
00:29:19,157 --> 00:29:25,497
buffers will actually exist.

872
00:29:21,659 --> 00:29:27,866
Once heavy machinery delivery

873
00:29:23,895 --> 00:29:32,337
vehicles, commercial storage

874
00:29:25,597 --> 00:29:35,573
operations begin functioning

875
00:29:27,966 --> 00:29:38,109
right across their fences.

876
00:29:32,437 --> 00:29:40,311
Thank you for your time tonight

877
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:42,781
for your careful review of the

878
00:29:38,209 --> 00:29:44,916
technical data thatmpends on

879
00:29:40,411 --> 00:29:47,552
our residential neighborhoods.

880
00:29:43,148 --> 00:29:49,954
We are grateful for your

881
00:29:45,016 --> 00:29:54,292
dedication to protecting the

882
00:29:47,652 --> 00:30:07,972
integrity and fabric of our

883
00:29:50,054 --> 00:30:10,909
residential communities. Thank

884
00:29:54,392 --> 00:30:12,677
you. Good evening. I am Richard

885
00:30:08,072 --> 00:30:13,912
Kitchen. I reside in Byron

886
00:30:11,009 --> 00:30:15,914
Center. You're the owner and

887
00:30:12,777 --> 00:30:18,483
will be the owner and developer

888
00:30:14,379 --> 00:30:20,251
of golf course. Yes, sir. I

889
00:30:16,014 --> 00:30:22,320
will open your opportunity up

890
00:30:18,583 --> 00:30:24,622
right after we close the public

891
00:30:20,351 --> 00:30:26,024
hearing. Okay. I justant to

892
00:30:22,453 --> 00:30:27,725
say a quick I came tonight,

893
00:30:24,722 --> 00:30:30,028
it's my anniversary, by the way.

894
00:30:26,124 --> 00:30:32,864
Yep. That's how dedicated I am.

895
00:30:27,826 --> 00:30:35,166
I came tonight to answer

896
00:30:30,128 --> 00:30:36,201
questions straight one on one.

897
00:30:32,964 --> 00:30:38,203
I've heard some things here

898
00:30:35,266 --> 00:30:40,772
that weren't exactly correct

899
00:30:36,301 --> 00:30:42,407
and I'd like these people to

900
00:30:38,303 --> 00:30:49,013
hear okay, but I okay, tell me

901
00:30:40,872 --> 00:30:50,215
what you need to do. Here's

902
00:30:42,507 --> 00:30:51,950
what I need to do, I. Duringour,

903
00:30:49,113 --> 00:30:53,751
that's the opportunity. Well,

904
00:30:50,315 --> 00:30:55,920
I'll be able to get the owner

905
00:30:52,050 --> 00:30:58,156
and the developer up. Okay.

906
00:30:53,852 --> 00:31:00,525
Give ten minutes of the time.

907
00:30:56,588 --> 00:31:01,993
My only because I can't explain

908
00:30:58,690 --> 00:31:05,230
it here, but my only

909
00:31:00,625 --> 00:31:10,335
recommendation to you, Mr.

910
00:31:02,093 --> 00:31:12,937
Kitchen, would be is after we

911
00:31:05,330 --> 00:31:14,439
get during this conversation.

912
00:31:10,435 --> 00:31:22,180
Give me a second. I'm following

913
00:31:13,037 --> 00:31:23,982
you trying to stay in th

914
00:31:14,539 --> 00:31:26,451
procedure lineup here. I when

915
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:27,518
the developer comes up, once we

916
00:31:24,082 --> 00:31:29,354
call the vote, once weake a

917
00:31:26,551 --> 00:31:31,923
motion. Okay, then we as

918
00:31:27,619 --> 00:31:35,126
planning commissioners can talk.

919
00:31:29,454 --> 00:31:36,694
Okay, at that point, I can

920
00:31:32,023 --> 00:31:39,063
bring you or the developer up

921
00:31:35,226 --> 00:31:41,232
and ask you questions. And at

922
00:31:36,794 --> 00:31:43,501
that time, there could be a

923
00:31:39,163 --> 00:31:45,203
question from one of us to you,

924
00:31:41,332 --> 00:31:46,738
okay? To them, that's how we

925
00:31:43,601 --> 00:31:47,972
have to do this meeting tonight.

926
00:31:45,303 --> 00:31:49,741
Well, if you can give if you

927
00:31:46,838 --> 00:31:52,410
can, if you just let us follow

928
00:31:48,072 --> 00:31:54,145
that process, let's see how

929
00:31:49,841 --> 00:31:56,314
that goes. And if it if it

930
00:31:52,510 --> 00:31:59,984
doesn't go, then I'll have you

931
00:31:54,245 --> 00:32:02,820
get with the city at that point

932
00:31:56,614 --> 00:32:04,689
to help out what my goal s to

933
00:32:00,585 --> 00:32:07,525
be able to talk to these people.

934
00:32:02,921 --> 00:32:09,027
Yeah. No, no, let's respect

935
00:32:04,789 --> 00:32:11,129
everybody. Okay? But we're not

936
00:32:07,625 --> 00:32:12,230
here to yell at people or this

937
00:32:09,127 --> 00:32:14,165
and that. Well, we're all

938
00:32:11,229 --> 00:32:15,500
adults. We're all going to

939
00:32:12,330 --> 00:32:17,035
respect what this commission

940
00:32:14,265 --> 00:32:18,670
does, what the owner does, and

941
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:20,471
what you people are presenting

942
00:32:17,535 --> 00:32:22,340
to us. So let's show some

943
00:32:18,770 --> 00:32:24,309
common courtesy and respect. So,

944
00:32:20,571 --> 00:32:27,612
Mr. Kitchen, if you would trust

945
00:32:22,573 --> 00:32:29,814
me and give me some time to get

946
00:32:24,409 --> 00:32:31,349
through this, let's do it that

947
00:32:27,712 --> 00:32:33,151
way. I can. I have a question.

948
00:32:30,181 --> 00:32:35,086
I just need to know. Well, I'll

949
00:32:31,883 --> 00:32:36,387
be able to talk to these peoe.

950
00:32:33,251 --> 00:32:37,922
Let me get to that. Once we get

951
00:32:35,186 --> 00:32:39,090
through this process, you'll

952
00:32:36,487 --> 00:32:41,092
see once we get through this

953
00:32:38,022 --> 00:32:43,895
process. So I need to know.

954
00:32:39,190 --> 00:32:45,463
Okay. Yes, done. So hang tight,

955
00:32:41,693 --> 00:32:47,231
I appreciate it. And again, we

956
00:32:43,995 --> 00:32:48,299
have a we have a full house. We

957
00:32:45,563 --> 00:32:49,734
have a lot of concerns. I

958
00:32:47,332 --> 00:32:51,135
appreciate erybody be here.

959
00:32:48,399 --> 00:32:52,503
But let's treat people with

960
00:32:49,834 --> 00:32:53,638
dignity and respect. I don't

961
00:32:51,235 --> 00:32:57,275
want to hear yelling sit down

962
00:32:52,603 --> 00:32:58,409
or this and that because we're

963
00:32:53,738 --> 00:33:01,813
not in grade school. Hi, my

964
00:32:57,375 --> 00:33:04,716
name is Brett Prince. I've

965
00:32:58,509 --> 00:33:06,918
lived at 3057 since 1994. I'm

966
00:33:01,913 --> 00:33:08,720
just a concerned neighbor. I've

967
00:33:04,816 --> 00:33:11,222
raised my daughter there, my

968
00:33:07,018 --> 00:33:12,890
grandson now currently raised

969
00:33:08,820 --> 00:33:14,492
at the same house across the

970
00:33:11,322 --> 00:33:15,893
street. My neighbor has a pizza

971
00:33:12,991 --> 00:33:17,328
oven that all the kids would

972
00:33:14,592 --> 00:33:18,463
sit arod while he made pizzas

973
00:33:15,994 --> 00:33:21,099
for them. It's right up to

974
00:33:17,428 --> 00:33:23,067
where this warehouse is

975
00:33:18,563 --> 00:33:25,570
intended to go. The drainage

976
00:33:21,199 --> 00:33:26,704
creek is right behind their.

977
00:33:23,167 --> 00:33:27,772
We've had this quaint nature.

978
00:33:25,670 --> 00:33:29,240
Deer go through the

979
00:33:26,804 --> 00:33:32,143
neighborhood, run right down

980
00:33:27,872 --> 00:33:34,212
where they plan to build the

981
00:33:29,340 --> 00:33:37,115
street. The warehouse. It's an

982
00:33:32,243 --> 00:33:38,583
areahere Hawks live. Right

983
00:33:34,312 --> 00:33:40,118
across from that is a swamp

984
00:33:37,215 --> 00:33:42,553
area where the deer lay down.

985
00:33:38,683 --> 00:33:44,722
This is stuff that we've had

986
00:33:40,218 --> 00:33:45,857
for me for 32 years, and I

987
00:33:42,653 --> 00:33:48,059
don't want to see what is my

988
00:33:44,856 --> 00:33:49,794
nderful neighborhood turn

989
00:33:45,957 --> 00:33:51,662
into an industrial complex. As

990
00:33:48,326 --> 00:33:53,398
it is. I leave to take my

991
00:33:49,894 --> 00:33:54,532
grandson to school each day.

992
00:33:51,763 --> 00:33:56,267
Can't turn out from Becky.

993
00:33:53,498 --> 00:33:57,668
Drive on to Ivan because

994
00:33:54,632 --> 00:33:58,836
there's so much traffic from

995
00:33:56,367 --> 00:34:00,471
the new apartment complexes,

996
00:33:57,769 --> 00:34:02,774
the new neighborhoods, and

997
00:33:58,936 --> 00:34:04,575
things that have been built in

998
00:34:00,571 --> 00:34:05,676
the area. So just to get an

999
00:34:02,874 --> 00:34:06,911
emotional side, instead of me

1000
00:34:04,675 --> 00:34:08,146
reading all the different

1001
00:34:05,777 --> 00:34:10,081
information that they spent a

1002
00:34:07,011 --> 00:34:11,382
lot of time looking up, this is

1003
00:34:08,246 --> 00:34:12,984
how a lot of people actually

1004
00:34:10,181 --> 00:34:14,218
feel. They spent the time to

1005
00:34:11,482 --> 00:34:17,155
look this all up, but the

1006
00:34:13,084 --> 00:34:18,322
emotions in it and watching our

1007
00:34:14,318 --> 00:34:28,266
kids and the danger to our kids,

1008
00:34:17,255 --> 00:34:31,135
that's what we're all concerned

1009
00:34:18,423 --> 00:34:33,004
about. Thanks. Thank you.

1010
00:34:28,366 --> 00:34:34,772
Anybody else like to come up?

1011
00:34:31,235 --> 00:34:36,841
Because once I close, the

1012
00:34:33,104 --> 00:34:39,811
meeting is closed for public

1013
00:34:34,872 --> 00:34:42,647
comment. I just want everybody

1014
00:34:36,941 --> 00:34:45,516
to get their opportunity in

1015
00:34:39,911 --> 00:34:51,722
seeing none. I will close the

1016
00:34:42,747 --> 00:34:56,761
public comment. Would the

1017
00:34:45,616 --> 00:34:57,929
developer owner like to come up?

1018
00:34:51,823 --> 00:35:03,234
Now? Yeah, Iean. Yeah, I'll

1019
00:34:56,861 --> 00:35:05,470
say a couple things, sir. You

1020
00:34:58,029 --> 00:35:06,504
have you get ten minutes. Okay.

1021
00:35:03,334 --> 00:35:08,973
The I know a lot of you are

1022
00:35:05,570 --> 00:35:10,575
concerned about wt you're

1023
00:35:06,604 --> 00:35:13,945
seeing up on the wall. And a

1024
00:35:09,073 --> 00:35:16,147
lot of that drawing I did

1025
00:35:10,675 --> 00:35:20,118
myself, the city asked me us my

1026
00:35:14,045 --> 00:35:20,685
business when we discussed

1027
00:35:16,247 --> 00:35:22,386
trying to. Build storage

1028
00:35:20,218 --> 00:35:23,721
facilities and that kind of

1029
00:35:20,785 --> 00:35:27,058
thing. And they said, anything

1030
00:35:22,487 --> 00:35:29,060
you can think of that you might

1031
00:35:23,821 --> 00:35:30,261
want to do down the road, put

1032
00:35:27,325 --> 00:35:32,296
it on this map. So the map you

1033
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:35,199
saw earlier with red things and

1034
00:35:30,361 --> 00:35:38,102
yellow things, I did most of

1035
00:35:32,396 --> 00:35:40,705
the red ones myself. These were

1036
00:35:35,299 --> 00:35:41,305
all possibilities. We just

1037
00:35:38,202 --> 00:35:43,107
found out through my

1038
00:35:40,805 --> 00:35:44,242
superintendent and my general

1039
00:35:41,405 --> 00:35:47,478
manager there, that the

1040
00:35:43,241 --> 00:35:50,281
wahouse in the back of the

1041
00:35:44,342 --> 00:35:51,549
driving range can't happen, can

1042
00:35:47,578 --> 00:35:53,284
not happen. So we've got a lot

1043
00:35:50,381 --> 00:35:54,485
of people up in arms here about

1044
00:35:51,649 --> 00:35:56,254
that happening. It doesn't mean

1045
00:35:53,384 --> 00:35:58,589
it's not going to happen. It

1046
00:35:54,585 --> 00:36:00,057
can't happen. So that's out and

1047
00:35:56,354 --> 00:36:01,492
gone. There's a lot of

1048
00:35:58,689 --> 00:36:05,463
possibilities that we look for.

1049
00:36:00,158 --> 00:36:06,664
I've been there 51 years. I've

1050
00:36:01,592 --> 00:36:09,367
been the owner since 1970. I've

1051
00:36:05,563 --> 00:36:10,902
been there since 75, owner

1052
00:36:06,764 --> 00:36:13,905
since 7 And all the additions

1053
00:36:09,467 --> 00:36:16,774
and all the business things we

1054
00:36:11,002 --> 00:36:18,809
did were result of my planning.

1055
00:36:14,071 --> 00:36:20,311
I saw needs a we kept moving.

1056
00:36:17,008 --> 00:36:21,445
We kept moving forward. And

1057
00:36:18,910 --> 00:36:23,447
that's the way, as far as I'm

1058
00:36:20,411 --> 00:36:24,916
concerned, any good business

1059
00:36:21,546 --> 00:36:27,385
should do. It would look like.

1060
00:36:23,548 --> 00:36:28,853
Now, if we're going to try to

1061
00:36:25,016 --> 00:36:31,322
get a warehouse or storage

1062
00:36:27,485 --> 00:36:33,224
facility, it will be on the

1063
00:36:28,953 --> 00:36:34,926
golf course side and it will be

1064
00:36:31,422 --> 00:36:37,495
in a spot where there's not a

1065
00:36:33,324 --> 00:36:39,363
house in the neighborhood can

1066
00:36:35,026 --> 00:36:40,765
see it. That would be that's

1067
00:36:37,595 --> 00:36:43,267
our probably our main issue

1068
00:36:39,463 --> 00:36:45,937
right there, this ice cream

1069
00:36:40,865 --> 00:36:49,407
stuff and mini golf and all

1070
00:36:43,367 --> 00:36:53,110
that. That's a long ways down

1071
00:36:46,037 --> 00:36:54,812
the road, probably beyond my

1072
00:36:49,507 --> 00:36:56,981
lifetime and my son's, I have

1073
00:36:53,211 --> 00:36:58,449
two sons that run the business

1074
00:36:54,912 --> 00:37:00,218
as well as myself. I was a main

1075
00:36:57,081 --> 00:37:01,419
day to day operations until I

1076
00:36:58,549 --> 00:37:03,487
got diagnosed seven years ago.

1077
00:37:00,318 --> 00:37:05,990
And I'm kind of a part time

1078
00:37:01,519 --> 00:37:07,358
come in, come out. But I still

1079
00:37:03,588 --> 00:37:09,293
have a lot to say as far as the

1080
00:37:06,090 --> 00:37:10,895
planning and the things we're

1081
00:37:07,458 --> 00:37:12,463
trying to achieve there. A lot

1082
00:37:09,393 --> 00:37:13,965
of you probably don't know much

1083
00:37:10,995 --> 00:37:17,768
about golf or. But we are. I

1084
00:37:12,563 --> 00:37:20,371
consider us a pillar of the

1085
00:37:14,065 --> 00:37:24,609
community we employ. Employ 135

1086
00:37:17,868 --> 00:37:29,313
people, and we've been faithful

1087
00:37:20,471 --> 00:37:31,916
taxpayers since day one. And we

1088
00:37:24,709 --> 00:37:33,284
are. In my opinion, the

1089
00:37:29,413 --> 00:37:35,186
ultimate golf destination for

1090
00:37:32,016 --> 00:37:37,655
all the different categories.

1091
00:37:33,384 --> 00:37:39,557
We have kids programs, so fth

1092
00:37:35,286 --> 00:37:40,691
and so on. We feel like we do a

1093
00:37:37,755 --> 00:37:42,660
very good job there and we've

1094
00:37:39,657 --> 00:37:45,196
won awards and that kind of

1095
00:37:40,791 --> 00:37:46,597
stuff. We want to be. We have

1096
00:37:43,060 --> 00:37:50,268
no intention o riling feathers

1097
00:37:45,296 --> 00:37:51,369
here and whatever as far as we

1098
00:37:46,697 --> 00:37:52,737
want to move on to maybe save

1099
00:37:50,368 --> 00:37:54,272
ourselves some time and some

1100
00:37:51,469 --> 00:37:56,374
money. We have two off site

1101
00:37:52,837 --> 00:37:58,175
warehouses right now. We have

1102
00:37:54,372 --> 00:37:59,610
one in division on division and

1103
00:37:56,474 --> 00:38:01,812
one on 28th Street. And our

1104
00:37:58,276 --> 00:38:03,047
main concern there is to get

1105
00:37:59,710 --> 00:38:04,982
these close one of them down,

1106
00:38:01,912 --> 00:38:07,518
the one on 28th Street, which

1107
00:38:03,147 --> 00:38:10,454
would create. We'd have to

1108
00:38:05,082 --> 00:38:11,455
create more space on our golf

1109
00:38:07,618 --> 00:38:12,690
course site. That's basally

1110
00:38:10,554 --> 00:38:14,458
that's basically what we're

1111
00:38:11,555 --> 00:38:16,160
trying to do. And I've heard a

1112
00:38:12,790 --> 00:38:18,663
lot of things. Your concerns

1113
00:38:14,558 --> 00:38:20,097
and I understand concerns or

1114
00:38:16,260 --> 00:38:22,300
traffic or this or that, things

1115
00:38:18,763 --> 00:38:25,136
aren't going to stay the same

1116
00:38:20,197 --> 00:38:27,071
forever. It'd be nice, but

1117
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:28,739
they're not. So as my sons get

1118
00:38:25,236 --> 00:38:31,976
older and we they've got to get

1119
00:38:27,171 --> 00:38:34,512
out from under this business,

1120
00:38:28,839 --> 00:38:36,080
we've got to consider what

1121
00:38:32,076 --> 00:38:38,449
fouls Maple Hill is. It's going

1122
00:38:34,879 --> 00:38:40,318
to be a golf course in seven

1123
00:38:36,180 --> 00:38:41,752
years, or it's going to be

1124
00:38:38,549 --> 00:38:43,587
condos, homes or wtever. And

1125
00:38:40,418 --> 00:38:45,222
we have to consider that also.

1126
00:38:42,086 --> 00:38:47,058
So we'd like to stay around as

1127
00:38:43,688 --> 00:38:52,163
long as possible. And some of

1128
00:38:45,323 --> 00:38:53,964
these things will help us do

1129
00:38:47,191 --> 00:38:55,199
at. And again, I'd like to

1130
00:38:52,263 --> 00:38:57,201
when I'm when we're done here,

1131
00:38:54,298 --> 00:38:58,469
if anybody would like to talk

1132
00:38:55,433 --> 00:39:00,171
to me one on one, that's what I

1133
00:38:57,301 --> 00:39:02,573
cameere basically for tonight.

1134
00:38:59,036 --> 00:39:04,075
I don't know exactly how this

1135
00:39:00,271 --> 00:39:08,279
how this meeting thing went,

1136
00:39:02,673 --> 00:39:09,847
but I'd be glad to answer

1137
00:39:04,175 --> 00:39:11,282
questions and do anything I can

1138
00:39:08,379 --> 00:39:15,853
to maybe set your mind a little

1139
00:39:09,914 --> 00:39:17,722
more at ease than you're

1140
00:39:11,382 --> 00:39:21,025
already any. Sir. We don't we

1141
00:39:15,953 --> 00:39:22,226
can't do questions right now.

1142
00:39:17,822 --> 00:39:24,261
No. Gentlemen, just change the

1143
00:39:21,125 --> 00:39:29,233
whole dynamic of the evening. I

1144
00:39:22,326 --> 00:39:31,769
think we're entitled. Ask a

1145
00:39:24,362 --> 00:39:33,571
question. No. Sir. We we you

1146
00:39:29,333 --> 00:39:36,107
had an opportunity for change

1147
00:39:31,869 --> 00:39:38,676
the dynamic. I understand, but

1148
00:39:33,671 --> 00:39:40,177
you had an opportunity. He came

1149
00:39:36,841 --> 00:39:42,079
up again. Mr. kitchen is is

1150
00:39:38,776 --> 00:39:46,150
willing to do a one on one with

1151
00:39:40,277 --> 00:39:49,387
you after we get done with the

1152
00:39:42,179 --> 00:39:53,023
vote. So that's why don't you

1153
00:39:46,250 --> 00:39:57,995
both. So there is sir. Yeah.

1154
00:39:49,487 --> 00:40:01,265
I'm I'm sorry. He made under.

1155
00:39:54,024 --> 00:40:03,467
No you're correct. He's he's

1156
00:39:58,095 --> 00:40:05,603
considerate. He heard what yougs

1157
00:40:01,632 --> 00:40:06,704
is not an opportunity to change

1158
00:40:03,567 --> 00:40:08,639
things. At the moment. We have

1159
00:40:05,703 --> 00:40:10,608
policies and procedures that

1160
00:40:06,804 --> 00:40:12,109
run in government that we have

1161
00:40:08,773 --> 00:40:13,544
to follow. It stings a little

1162
00:40:10,708 --> 00:40:16,380
bit, but we. This is how we

1163
00:40:12,209 --> 00:40:17,448
have to move forward with

1164
00:40:13,611 --> 00:40:20,684
tonight. So I appreciate your

1165
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:23,254
comment and I appreciate your

1166
00:40:17,548 --> 00:40:25,089
concern. I truly do. However, I

1167
00:40:20,785 --> 00:40:27,391
can't change the structure of

1168
00:40:23,354 --> 00:40:29,226
the meeting because what you

1169
00:40:25,189 --> 00:40:30,327
heard from Mr. Kitchen changed

1170
00:40:27,491 --> 00:40:32,263
a whole lot of things. And some

1171
00:40:29,326 --> 00:40:33,631
people's mind, either the good

1172
00:40:30,428 --> 00:40:36,867
or the bad. Let us finish the

1173
00:40:32,363 --> 00:40:42,773
meeting out. Let us hear what

1174
00:40:33,964 --> 00:40:44,775
we have to say. That's the

1175
00:40:36,967 --> 00:41:00,324
proper way. Thank you. Thank

1176
00:40:42,873 --> 00:41:01,425
you, M Kitchens. Okay, then.

1177
00:40:44,875 --> 00:41:05,329
Yeah. Okay. Thank you. Okay.

1178
00:41:00,424 --> 00:41:10,768
Commissioners in fro of us,

1179
00:41:01,692 --> 00:41:14,338
we have one motion to grant the

1180
00:41:05,429 --> 00:41:16,540
PUD five rezoning request at

1181
00:41:11,836 --> 00:41:18,642
50 555 Iron Avenue Southwest,

1182
00:41:14,438 --> 00:41:21,212
and recommend the same to City

1183
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:25,883
Council, subject to conditions

1184
00:41:18,742 --> 00:41:30,921
one and two. Commissioners I'm

1185
00:41:21,312 --> 00:41:31,956
looking for a motion. Motion by

1186
00:41:25,983 --> 00:41:34,892
Audrey, second by Robert.

1187
00:41:31,021 --> 00:41:37,761
Commissioners. Questions,

1188
00:41:32,056 --> 00:41:39,530
comments or concerns? Robert.

1189
00:41:34,992 --> 00:41:40,998
Yeah, I got a list. Hopefully

1190
00:41:37,862 --> 00:41:42,833
this will help get us some some

1191
00:41:39,630 --> 00:41:45,236
clarity. Colton. Do you want to

1192
00:41:41,098 --> 00:41:46,737
maybe or whomever from zoning

1193
00:41:42,933 --> 00:41:48,305
staf maybe, you know, for the

1194
00:41:45,336 --> 00:41:49,406
sake of, of all of us here,

1195
00:41:46,837 --> 00:41:51,775
talk a little bit about the

1196
00:41:48,405 --> 00:41:53,611
difference between a rezoning

1197
00:41:49,507 --> 00:41:55,446
and site plan approval, maybe

1198
00:41:51,876 --> 00:41:57,181
specifically bringing up the

1199
00:41:53,711 --> 00:41:58,616
kind of revie that goes into

1200
00:41:56,113 --> 00:42:00,784
to those distinctions, right?

1201
00:41:57,281 --> 00:42:02,219
For site plan review, that's

1202
00:41:58,716 --> 00:42:03,287
when we have engineering part

1203
00:42:00,885 --> 00:42:04,788
303. Love that. Shout out to

1204
00:42:02,319 --> 00:42:06,323
some state codes. ose are

1205
00:42:03,387 --> 00:42:07,424
really good things to know that

1206
00:42:04,889 --> 00:42:08,726
all needs and is going to be

1207
00:42:06,423 --> 00:42:10,561
important to any future

1208
00:42:07,525 --> 00:42:11,662
development, but that might not

1209
00:42:09,193 --> 00:42:12,663
be at this phase. Is that

1210
00:42:10,661 --> 00:42:14,832
enough of a preamble? Yeah,

1211
00:42:11,762 --> 00:42:18,102
that's that's perfect. Thank

1212
00:42:12,763 --> 00:42:19,470
you. So the site plan review

1213
00:42:14,932 --> 00:42:22,373
phase includes fully stamped

1214
00:42:18,202 --> 00:42:23,741
drawings by an architect or an

1215
00:42:19,570 --> 00:42:24,742
engineer This involves both an

1216
00:42:22,473 --> 00:42:27,411
application that goes out to

1217
00:42:23,841 --> 00:42:29,580
our development review team,

1218
00:42:24,842 --> 00:42:31,715
which includes fire engineering,

1219
00:42:27,511 --> 00:42:32,883
assessing building, police

1220
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:34,251
planning. All those bodies

1221
00:42:31,815 --> 00:42:35,352
spend a few weeks actually

1222
00:42:32,983 --> 00:42:37,454
reviewing the submitted plans,

1223
00:42:34,351 --> 00:42:38,889
making sure that they align

1224
00:42:35,452 --> 00:42:41,892
with all of the various code

1225
00:42:37,555 --> 00:42:43,460
sections that all of us review

1226
00:42:38,989 --> 00:42:45,462
and our expertise in. For us in

1227
00:42:41,992 --> 00:42:46,530
planning staff, that would have

1228
00:42:43,561 --> 00:42:48,632
to do with all of the PUD five

1229
00:42:45,563 --> 00:42:49,733
plan requirements, as well as

1230
00:42:46,630 --> 00:42:51,135
site plan approval. On top of

1231
00:42:48,732 --> 00:42:52,570
that, if it's something that

1232
00:42:49,833 --> 00:42:54,305
would require special use

1233
00:42:51,235 --> 00:42:57,975
approval, there's an additional

1234
00:42:52,670 --> 00:42:59,777
set of conditions that must be

1235
00:42:54,405 --> 00:43:01,378
met for that as well. All ofthar

1236
00:42:58,075 --> 00:43:02,646
consistent review standards.

1237
00:43:00,144 --> 00:43:04,481
Al in all, I mean we're over

1238
00:43:01,545 --> 00:43:06,617
20 review standards just from

1239
00:43:02,746 --> 00:43:09,219
planning side at this point. So

1240
00:43:04,582 --> 00:43:10,588
engineering takes a look that

1241
00:43:06,717 --> 00:43:11,755
includes all stormwar and and

1242
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:13,524
make sure that, you know, the

1243
00:43:10,688 --> 00:43:14,925
structure itself is safe, but

1244
00:43:11,855 --> 00:43:17,061
also that it's not going to

1245
00:43:13,624 --> 00:43:18,762
create additional hazards to

1246
00:43:15,025 --> 00:43:20,331
neighboring properties. Fire is

1247
00:43:17,161 --> 00:43:21,999
making sure that it can access

1248
00:43:18,862 --> 00:43:23,534
the site, assessing, making

1249
00:43:20,431 --> 00:43:24,668
sure that, you know, there's no

1250
00:43:22,099 --> 00:43:26,403
buildings over parcel lines,

1251
00:43:23,634 --> 00:43:28,572
police building, everyone has

1252
00:43:24,768 --> 00:43:30,040
their own types of reviews.

1253
00:43:26,503 --> 00:43:31,442
That all gets presented

1254
00:43:28,672 --> 00:43:33,277
depending on the size of the

1255
00:43:30,140 --> 00:43:35,079
structure or the size of the

1256
00:43:31,542 --> 00:43:36,513
parcel, either before planning

1257
00:43:33,377 --> 00:43:37,648
commission or reviewed

1258
00:43:35,179 --> 00:43:38,682
administratively. Any case

1259
00:43:36,614 --> 00:43:40,818
where there's a special use

1260
00:43:37,748 --> 00:43:42,987
approval that goes before

1261
00:43:38,782 --> 00:43:45,155
Planning Commission, something

1262
00:43:40,918 --> 00:43:47,658
like the, forxample, a small

1263
00:43:43,087 --> 00:43:48,759
pavilion that's about 2000ftS

1264
00:43:45,255 --> 00:43:50,227
might not trigger that public

1265
00:43:47,758 --> 00:43:51,996
meeting. It's something that's

1266
00:43:48,859 --> 00:43:53,797
small and simple and gets

1267
00:43:50,327 --> 00:43:55,199
reviewed administratively.

1268
00:43:52,096 --> 00:43:56,734
Anything that's larger scale or

1269
00:43:53,897 --> 00:43:57,768
would require a public hearing

1270
00:43:55,299 --> 00:43:59,203
comes back before planning

1271
00:43:56,834 --> 00:44:00,671
commission. All of those

1272
00:43:57,868 --> 00:44:01,372
reviews and conditions of

1273
00:43:59,303 --> 00:44:03,207
approval are presented to the

1274
00:44:00,771 --> 00:44:06,443
Planning Commission, and the

1275
00:44:01,472 --> 00:44:07,544
Planni Commission reviews

1276
00:44:03,307 --> 00:44:08,712
that and makes a decision. So

1277
00:44:06,543 --> 00:44:10,547
briefly, I guess that's the

1278
00:44:07,645 --> 00:44:11,782
process. I can always go into

1279
00:44:08,812 --> 00:44:13,050
more detail. Yeah. So it's fair

1280
00:44:10,648 --> 00:44:15,352
to say that before anything,

1281
00:44:11,882 --> 00:44:17,554
like anything on that drawing

1282
00:44:13,150 --> 00:44:19,023
would get built, the proper due

1283
00:44:15,452 --> 00:44:20,791
diligence for the environmental

1284
00:44:17,655 --> 00:44:22,960
impacts, the buffers and

1285
00:44:19,123 --> 00:44:24,061
setbacks and impacts to drains,

1286
00:44:20,891 --> 00:44:25,829
the impacts to, you know, for

1287
00:44:23,060 --> 00:44:27,264
sound and acoustics. All those

1288
00:44:24,161 --> 00:44:29,166
things would have documentation

1289
00:44:25,929 --> 00:44:30,901
provided to the city for review.

1290
00:44:27,665 --> 00:44:31,935
Anhen we would have that and

1291
00:44:29,266 --> 00:44:34,104
that would be at that phase.

1292
00:44:31,001 --> 00:44:36,573
Whereas as this phase, it's

1293
00:44:32,036 --> 00:44:38,075
more just an opening of a door

1294
00:44:34,438 --> 00:44:40,210
to any future work that relates

1295
00:44:36,674 --> 00:44:41,578
to a golf course for this

1296
00:44:38,175 --> 00:44:44,615
property. That's correct. Okay.

1297
00:44:40,310 --> 00:44:46,350
Maybe that's worth bringing up,

1298
00:44:41,679 --> 00:44:48,118
I guess, because what would the

1299
00:44:44,915 --> 00:44:49,920
I guess what maybe help me

1300
00:44:46,450 --> 00:44:51,722
understand what a pud is, right?

1301
00:44:48,218 --> 00:44:53,157
For an example, planned unit

1302
00:44:50,020 --> 00:44:54,391
development gives the city a

1303
00:44:51,822 --> 00:44:56,794
certain amount of leverage to

1304
00:44:53,257 --> 00:44:58,562
control how development happens

1305
00:44:54,491 --> 00:44:59,763
on a parcel that maybe is not

1306
00:44:56,894 --> 00:45:02,900
possible for just residentially

1307
00:44:58,662 --> 00:45:05,769
platted property. Is that fair

1308
00:45:00,264 --> 00:45:07,037
to say? Yes, yes. Often planned

1309
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:08,038
unit developments allow for a

1310
00:45:05,903 --> 00:45:11,175
miure of of different things,

1311
00:45:07,137 --> 00:45:12,276
you know, instead of just

1312
00:45:08,138 --> 00:45:13,310
single family platted. A pud

1313
00:45:11,275 --> 00:45:15,179
typically involves, you know, a

1314
00:45:12,376 --> 00:45:17,281
variety of different housing

1315
00:45:13,410 --> 00:45:20,184
types. In this case, it has to

1316
00:45:15,279 --> 00:45:21,685
do to allow some of those uses

1317
00:45:17,381 --> 00:45:23,787
that are deemed low volume

1318
00:45:20,284 --> 00:45:24,855
recreational amenities that can

1319
00:45:22,319 --> 00:45:26,657
be combined with the golf

1320
00:45:23,887 --> 00:45:28,459
course in this case. So it

1321
00:45:24,955 --> 00:45:30,260
allows for things that can't

1322
00:45:26,757 --> 00:45:31,328
actually be accomplished under

1323
00:45:28,559 --> 00:45:32,796
traditional zoning pn. Unit

1324
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:33,964
developments allow for

1325
00:45:31,428 --> 00:45:36,033
something that's considered

1326
00:45:32,896 --> 00:45:38,569
creative and and suitable for

1327
00:45:34,064 --> 00:45:41,071
the area, including in actually

1328
00:45:36,366 --> 00:45:42,506
an increase in available open

1329
00:45:38,669 --> 00:45:43,974
space and unpaved or, you know,

1330
00:45:41,171 --> 00:45:45,309
constructed land. Right? A

1331
00:45:42,606 --> 00:45:46,844
single family housing plat

1332
00:45:44,074 --> 00:45:48,378
might be more dee than what

1333
00:45:45,409 --> 00:45:52,950
the future of the some of this

1334
00:45:46,944 --> 00:46:00,858
area would be in terms of

1335
00:45:48,479 --> 00:46:01,959
stormwater, right? Yes. Great.

1336
00:45:53,050 --> 00:46:04,461
Hold there. Okay. Thanks for

1337
00:46:00,958 --> 00:46:07,364
those questions. You covered a

1338
00:46:02,059 --> 00:46:09,566
couple of my things on my list.

1339
00:46:04,561 --> 00:46:11,368
I do have a follow up regarding

1340
00:46:07,464 --> 00:46:13,437
PUD five specically. So

1341
00:46:09,666 --> 00:46:16,306
during your presentation, you

1342
00:46:11,468 --> 00:46:21,378
noted that no housing is

1343
00:46:13,537 --> 00:46:25,349
permitted under PUD five. Could

1344
00:46:16,406 --> 00:46:27,050
you talk about the. The reasons

1345
00:46:21,478 --> 00:46:29,686
for this option for this

1346
00:46:25,449 --> 00:46:30,721
property versus what we would

1347
00:46:27,151 --> 00:46:31,855
have to review if there were a

1348
00:46:29,787 --> 00:46:36,160
developer that would come

1349
00:46:30,821 --> 00:46:37,261
forward and say, we want to

1350
00:46:31,955 --> 00:46:39,062
take this property and build a

1351
00:46:36,260 --> 00:46:42,699
residential development that

1352
00:46:37,361 --> 00:46:43,867
would incorporate mixed use

1353
00:46:39,163 --> 00:46:46,203
housing. Yes. So just to

1354
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:47,304
clarify, as far as like the

1355
00:46:43,967 --> 00:46:50,174
difference between PUD five and

1356
00:46:46,303 --> 00:46:52,009
potentially any other type of

1357
00:46:47,404 --> 00:46:53,110
development. Yes. So under the

1358
00:46:50,274 --> 00:46:54,611
current zoning district, if a

1359
00:46:52,109 --> 00:46:56,313
developer came in and would

1360
00:46:53,210 --> 00:46:57,548
like to plat it according to

1361
00:46:54,711 --> 00:46:59,583
the subdivision regulations,

1362
00:46:56,413 --> 00:47:00,717
and that would be permitted by

1363
00:46:57,648 --> 00:47:02,085
right, they would be able to go

1364
00:46:59,716 --> 00:47:05,689
through the proper channels,

1365
00:47:00,818 --> 00:47:08,592
make sure everything was met,

1366
00:47:02,186 --> 00:47:09,726
but largely developed a normal.

1367
00:47:05,789 --> 00:47:11,495
The PUD five was designated to

1368
00:47:08,692 --> 00:47:14,064
specifically allow for, you

1369
00:47:09,827 --> 00:47:15,132
know, that open space to be

1370
00:47:11,595 --> 00:47:17,201
maintained. It doesn't prohibit

1371
00:47:14,164 --> 00:47:19,403
any future development down the

1372
00:47:15,232 --> 00:47:21,872
line, but butt it does allow

1373
00:47:17,301 --> 00:47:24,041
for the continuance of a golf

1374
00:47:19,503 --> 00:47:26,543
course, which we understand to

1375
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:29,513
be an interesting and vital

1376
00:47:24,141 --> 00:47:31,582
part of our community under

1377
00:47:26,643 --> 00:47:33,083
that district, housing is not

1378
00:47:29,613 --> 00:47:34,585
really cohesive and, and would

1379
00:47:31,882 --> 00:47:35,953
in some ways, younow, just

1380
00:47:33,183 --> 00:47:38,088
create aitional pieces that

1381
00:47:34,685 --> 00:47:40,757
that weren't necessarily

1382
00:47:36,053 --> 00:47:42,025
applicable single family

1383
00:47:38,188 --> 00:47:43,193
housing, just a fact that most

1384
00:47:40,858 --> 00:47:44,328
may not know. Single family

1385
00:47:42,125 --> 00:47:45,996
housing actually hashe most

1386
00:47:43,293 --> 00:47:47,831
amount of traffic. When we talk

1387
00:47:44,428 --> 00:47:49,933
about traffic counts across

1388
00:47:46,096 --> 00:47:51,435
different types of uses, that

1389
00:47:47,931 --> 00:47:52,936
single family housing actually

1390
00:47:50,033 --> 00:47:54,104
has sees the most amount of

1391
00:47:51,535 --> 00:47:55,706
traffic. And so in this case,

1392
00:47:53,036 --> 00:47:57,140
this was this was meant to

1393
00:47:54,204 --> 00:47:58,575
really maintain what's existing

1394
00:47:55,806 --> 00:48:01,111
within our community when it

1395
00:47:57,241 --> 00:48:02,946
comes to golf courses and just

1396
00:47:58,675 --> 00:48:05,115
allow those buildings to

1397
00:48:01,211 --> 00:48:06,550
buildings and golf courses to

1398
00:48:03,046 --> 00:48:07,818
continue in the in the region.

1399
00:48:05,215 --> 00:48:10,888
Okay. So just to make sure I

1400
00:48:06,650 --> 00:48:14,458
understood you correctly, I

1401
00:48:07,918 --> 00:48:16,326
heard you correctly. If the if

1402
00:48:10,988 --> 00:48:17,728
the property owner were to

1403
00:48:14,558 --> 00:48:19,363
propose not this type of

1404
00:48:16,426 --> 00:48:22,032
development, but were to come

1405
00:48:17,828 --> 00:48:25,302
forward and say, we would like

1406
00:48:19,796 --> 00:48:27,037
to convert this existing land

1407
00:48:22,699 --> 00:48:28,105
to a residential community,

1408
00:48:25,402 --> 00:48:30,641
they would not need zoning

1409
00:48:27,137 --> 00:48:32,509
approval to do that. Is that

1410
00:48:28,205 --> 00:48:33,844
correct? We would not need to

1411
00:48:30,741 --> 00:48:35,078
review that from a zoning

1412
00:48:32,609 --> 00:48:36,413
perspective. We would only look

1413
00:48:33,944 --> 00:48:38,515
at it further down the road of

1414
00:48:35,178 --> 00:48:40,384
the development. Is that

1415
00:48:36,513 --> 00:48:41,451
correct? The the planning

1416
00:48:38,615 --> 00:48:43,053
process and something like that

1417
00:48:40,484 --> 00:48:45,088
comes through planning

1418
00:48:41,551 --> 00:48:47,190
commission, but it's something

1419
00:48:43,153 --> 00:48:48,358
that's permitted by. Right. And

1420
00:48:45,188 --> 00:48:49,192
and typically, as long as you

1421
00:48:47,291 --> 00:48:50,794
can meet the requirements,

1422
00:48:48,458 --> 00:48:52,262
there wouldn'be any

1423
00:48:49,293 --> 00:48:54,064
additional issues. It's, it's

1424
00:48:50,894 --> 00:48:55,098
something that at that point,

1425
00:48:52,362 --> 00:48:57,034
it's, it's a fairly sple

1426
00:48:54,164 --> 00:48:58,735
process. And I can let Dylan

1427
00:48:55,198 --> 00:49:00,537
jump in. Just, I was just going

1428
00:48:57,267 --> 00:49:02,773
to say, no, it would not

1429
00:48:58,835 --> 00:49:04,508
require rezoning. Okay. Your

1430
00:49:00,671 --> 00:49:07,377
estion. Okay. So then to take

1431
00:49:03,006 --> 00:49:09,546
it maybe in a slightly

1432
00:49:04,608 --> 00:49:10,981
different direction, if this

1433
00:49:07,477 --> 00:49:12,783
were if this PUD five were

1434
00:49:09,646 --> 00:49:14,518
approved this evening or

1435
00:49:11,081 --> 00:49:16,086
sometime in the future, knowing,

1436
00:49:12,883 --> 00:49:20,357
of course, that it has to go to

1437
00:49:14,618 --> 00:49:23,226
City council as well. But if

1438
00:49:16,186 --> 00:49:24,661
that change were made, then to

1439
00:49:20,457 --> 00:49:26,263
shift back to a residential

1440
00:49:23,327 --> 00:49:27,564
development would require

1441
00:49:24,761 --> 00:49:30,334
another rezoning, correct?

1442
00:49:26,363 --> 00:49:31,902
That's correct. Yes. It would

1443
00:49:27,664 --> 00:49:33,704
need to rezone to a different.

1444
00:49:30,434 --> 00:49:35,372
Yes. Great. Thank you, I

1445
00:49:32,002 --> 00:49:36,540
appreciate that. I'm sorry to

1446
00:49:33,804 --> 00:49:37,607
have you reiterate in so many

1447
00:49:35,472 --> 00:49:38,642
different ways, but I just want

1448
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:39,810
to make sure that I'm

1449
00:49:37,708 --> 00:49:41,912
understanding the process and

1450
00:49:38,742 --> 00:49:48,719
the different types of

1451
00:49:39,910 --> 00:49:52,356
development appropriately. My

1452
00:49:42,012 --> 00:49:54,524
next question is. Regarding the

1453
00:49:49,086 --> 00:49:56,660
Ke Trails Network. I don't

1454
00:49:52,456 --> 00:49:59,196
recall that being identied on

1455
00:49:54,624 --> 00:50:03,133
the map. That's not something

1456
00:49:56,760 --> 00:50:04,968
that intersects, intersects

1457
00:49:59,296 --> 00:50:08,205
with or is directly adjacent to

1458
00:50:03,233 --> 00:50:11,441
this property. Is that correct?

1459
00:50:05,068 --> 00:50:13,076
Or is that an immediately

1460
00:50:08,305 --> 00:50:15,545
adjacent trail? So that's a

1461
00:50:11,541 --> 00:50:18,648
trail that's further to the

1462
00:50:13,176 --> 00:50:20,150
east. It's between Byron Center

1463
00:50:15,645 --> 00:50:21,885
and Ivan Rest. And this

1464
00:50:18,749 --> 00:50:23,453
property ends about a quarter

1465
00:50:20,250 --> 00:50:24,821
of the way through that block.

1466
00:50:22,219 --> 00:50:26,590
So Kent Trails is halfway

1467
00:50:23,553 --> 00:50:27,991
through the block. It's further

1468
00:50:25,088 --> 00:50:29,793
to the east. It doesn't run

1469
00:50:26,690 --> 00:50:31,228
adjacent to this property. Okay.

1470
00:50:28,091 --> 00:50:33,030
Thank you. So there's there's a

1471
00:50:29,893 --> 00:50:35,298
neighborod between this

1472
00:50:31,328 --> 00:50:36,967
property and the trail. Correct.

1473
00:50:33,130 --> 00:50:38,068
Great. Thank you. I think I'm

1474
00:50:35,399 --> 00:50:40,370
good for now. Thank you, thank

1475
00:50:37,067 --> 00:50:41,671
you. I have a question.

1476
00:50:38,168 --> 00:50:44,207
Question. I just want to ensure

1477
00:50:40,470 --> 00:50:45,242
that the proposed rezoning

1478
00:50:41,772 --> 00:50:46,410
doesn't worsen the drainage

1479
00:50:44,307 --> 00:50:47,677
conditions for the surrounding

1480
00:50:45,342 --> 00:50:48,812
neighborhoods. And I know,

1481
00:50:46,510 --> 00:50:51,314
Colton, that you tched on it

1482
00:50:47,778 --> 00:50:52,916
somewhat, but based on the

1483
00:50:48,912 --> 00:50:55,619
theme and all of the emails and

1484
00:50:51,415 --> 00:50:58,855
whatnot that I've read, I guess

1485
00:50:53,417 --> 00:51:01,691
my question is, can the project

1486
00:50:55,719 --> 00:51:03,860
engineer or you explain how the

1487
00:50:58,955 --> 00:51:06,063
proposed drainage plan prevents

1488
00:51:01,792 --> 00:51:07,297
additional additional runoff or

1489
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:09,299
flooding to nearby residents?

1490
00:51:06,163 --> 00:51:11,468
Yeah, I'm happy to answer that.

1491
00:51:07,464 --> 00:51:13,603
I know in a case like this,

1492
00:51:09,399 --> 00:51:15,405
anytim there's a floodplain,

1493
00:51:11,568 --> 00:51:18,275
floodway, or wetland nearby,

1494
00:51:13,703 --> 00:51:19,910
there needs to be a permit from

1495
00:51:15,505 --> 00:51:21,011
Egle that's approved before it

1496
00:51:18,375 --> 00:51:22,946
even comes back for site plan

1497
00:51:20,010 --> 00:51:24,414
approval. So you'll note that

1498
00:51:21,111 --> 00:51:25,415
one of the conditions was that

1499
00:51:23,046 --> 00:51:26,683
our city engineer actually

1500
00:51:24,514 --> 00:51:28,418
recommended that the applicant

1501
00:51:25,515 --> 00:51:31,588
set up a meeting with Egle just

1502
00:51:27,384 --> 00:51:33,457
to determine the feasibility of

1503
00:51:28,685 --> 00:51:35,158
of anything in that area. Thank

1504
00:51:31,688 --> 00:51:39,196
you. I guess I'll ju into

1505
00:51:33,557 --> 00:51:40,931
because it's a little bit my my

1506
00:51:35,258 --> 00:51:43,100
area of experti. I do

1507
00:51:39,296 --> 00:51:45,202
stormwater design. I'm a site

1508
00:51:41,031 --> 00:51:46,403
civil engineer, right? So the

1509
00:51:43,834 --> 00:51:47,571
in general, you have to follow

1510
00:51:45,302 --> 00:51:48,872
the standards that are written

1511
00:51:46,503 --> 00:51:50,207
by your cit right? Our city

1512
00:51:48,171 --> 00:51:51,208
of Wyoming has excellent

1513
00:51:48,972 --> 00:51:52,876
standards that are put together

1514
00:51:50,307 --> 00:51:53,944
in order to protect

1515
00:51:51,308 --> 00:51:55,045
neighborhoods specifically from

1516
00:51:52,976 --> 00:51:56,480
malicious redelopment,

1517
00:51:54,044 --> 00:51:57,481
including standards around

1518
00:51:55,145 --> 00:51:59,683
where stormwater can flow off

1519
00:51:56,780 --> 00:52:00,817
of property that's been

1520
00:51:57,581 --> 00:52:02,586
developed. Often the

1521
00:51:59,783 --> 00:52:03,653
development of a property, even

1522
00:52:00,951 --> 00:52:05,422
ough it's becoming more dense,

1523
00:52:02,686 --> 00:52:07,991
gives us the opportunity to

1524
00:52:03,753 --> 00:52:09,059
make sure that it's being

1525
00:52:05,522 --> 00:52:10,127
controlled more consistentlyands

1526
00:52:08,091 --> 00:52:11,595
opposed to existing conditions,

1527
00:52:09,159 --> 00:52:12,762
which are currently maybe

1528
00:52:10,227 --> 00:52:14,064
shedding water in certain

1529
00:52:11,695 --> 00:52:16,366
directions. Right? A site

1530
00:52:12,863 --> 00:52:18,401
that's been designed by an

1531
00:52:14,164 --> 00:52:19,469
engineer and is approvable for

1532
00:52:16,566 --> 00:52:21,004
a site plan of a planning

1533
00:52:18,502 --> 00:52:22,706
commission, has to meet all

1534
00:52:19,569 --> 00:52:24,975
these standards which limit the

1535
00:52:21,138 --> 00:52:26,343
rate of water, leaving a

1536
00:52:22,806 --> 00:52:27,811
property to existin conditions,

1537
00:52:25,075 --> 00:52:29,813
usually by some metric, like an

1538
00:52:26,443 --> 00:52:31,047
outlet control structure. Or

1539
00:52:27,911 --> 00:52:32,949
you know what? This is a big I

1540
00:52:29,913 --> 00:52:34,818
could talk for a long time, so

1541
00:52:31,148 --> 00:52:37,087
I'll let it stand there and say

1542
00:52:33,049 --> 00:52:37,821
that we have a really good

1543
00:52:34,951 --> 00:52:41,091
gineering staff. That's. Mr.

1544
00:52:37,187 --> 00:52:42,859
chairman, I have a question.

1545
00:52:37,921 --> 00:52:45,061
Question. Thank you. Colton,

1546
00:52:41,191 --> 00:52:47,564
how much of the property is

1547
00:52:42,959 --> 00:52:50,100
zoned estate residential versus

1548
00:52:45,162 --> 00:52:52,202
R-1 as it sits right now? It is

1549
00:52:47,664 --> 00:52:54,070
roughly roughly. Yeah. Just

1550
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:57,307
roughly. We've got about 68

1551
00:52:52,302 --> 00:53:00,210
acres. That would be estate

1552
00:52:54,171 --> 00:53:01,711
residential. And theemaining

1553
00:52:57,407 --> 00:53:03,914
32 and some change would be R-1.

1554
00:53:00,544 --> 00:53:06,316
So quick back of the napkin

1555
00:53:01,811 --> 00:53:07,984
math. This owner could propose

1556
00:53:04,014 --> 00:53:09,252
roughly 150 houses. Looking at

1557
00:53:06,416 --> 00:53:11,087
our standards of R-1 at ten

1558
00:53:08,084 --> 00:53:12,088
zero zero zero square feet and

1559
00:53:09,352 --> 00:53:13,089
two and a half acres for state

1560
00:53:11,188 --> 00:53:15,559
residential. Of course, there's

1561
00:53:12,189 --> 00:53:16,760
wetlands and things to deal

1562
00:53:13,190 --> 00:53:18,528
with, but somewhere between 120

1563
00:53:15,659 --> 00:53:20,363
and 150 houses coulbe

1564
00:53:16,860 --> 00:53:22,165
proposed here. And I just want

1565
00:53:18,628 --> 00:53:23,233
to make the point to try to

1566
00:53:20,463 --> 00:53:24,301
bring in what Commissioner and

1567
00:53:22,265 --> 00:53:26,803
Commissioner Randall were

1568
00:53:23,333 --> 00:53:28,505
pointing out, which is the

1569
00:53:24,401 --> 00:53:29,839
developers actually trading in

1570
00:53:26,903 --> 00:53:31,241
some ways, giving up a lot of

1571
00:53:28,605 --> 00:53:34,010
economic activity that they

1572
00:53:29,940 --> 00:53:35,812
could experience in return for

1573
00:53:31,841 --> 00:53:37,247
an ongoing application, open,

1574
00:53:34,110 --> 00:53:38,315
open application of open space,

1575
00:53:35,912 --> 00:53:40,450
which would otherwise be

1576
00:53:37,347 --> 00:53:42,118
impervious or impervious,

1577
00:53:38,415 --> 00:53:43,186
impermeable material, and have

1578
00:53:40,550 --> 00:53:44,354
all kinds of other issues. And

1579
00:53:42,252 --> 00:53:46,122
so from that perspective, I'm

1580
00:53:43,286 --> 00:53:47,691
very sensitive to the concerns

1581
00:53:44,454 --> 00:53:48,992
that were raised tonight. But I

1582
00:53:46,223 --> 00:53:50,594
actually think this is more

1583
00:53:47,791 --> 00:53:52,462
open space and an upgrade. And

1584
00:53:49,392 --> 00:53:53,563
I just want to defend I wasn't

1585
00:53:50,694 --> 00:53:55,432
on the commission in April, but

1586
00:53:52,562 --> 00:53:56,700
when this commission passed

1587
00:53:53,663 --> 00:53:58,902
that PUD five, I think it was

1588
00:53:55,532 --> 00:54:00,737
actually very visionary because

1589
00:53:56,800 --> 00:54:02,439
we're trading literally dozens

1590
00:53:59,169 --> 00:54:04,274
of acres of open space that

1591
00:54:00,837 --> 00:54:05,742
would not otherwise exist under

1592
00:54:02,539 --> 00:54:07,611
literally a use by. Right. So I

1593
00:54:04,374 --> 00:54:08,845
want to say thank you to this

1594
00:54:05,842 --> 00:54:10,614
commission for the work you did

1595
00:54:07,711 --> 00:54:13,650
to come up with this, and I'm

1596
00:54:08,945 --> 00:54:15,051
strongly in favor of granting

1597
00:54:10,714 --> 00:54:15,852
the preliminary, preliminary

1598
00:54:13,750 --> 00:54:17,787
rezoning with the idea that the

1599
00:54:15,151 --> 00:54:19,623
developer will have to come

1600
00:54:15,952 --> 00:54:20,624
back and there will be a series

1601
00:54:17,887 --> 00:54:21,758
of standards, as laid out by

1602
00:54:19,723 --> 00:54:22,892
other members of this

1603
00:54:20,724 --> 00:54:23,893
commission, for us to review

1604
00:54:21,858 --> 00:54:24,961
and make sure are being done

1605
00:54:22,993 --> 00:54:26,062
correctly. Thank you, Mr.

1606
00:54:23,994 --> 00:54:27,731
Chairman. Thank you. Anybody

1607
00:54:25,061 --> 00:54:29,099
else? Commissioners. Any other

1608
00:54:26,162 --> 00:54:31,968
questions? Well, I do I just

1609
00:54:27,831 --> 00:54:33,403
some comments, maybe a couple

1610
00:54:29,199 --> 00:54:36,339
questions. So yeah, back a few

1611
00:54:32,068 --> 00:54:37,774
months ago, we approved the the

1612
00:54:33,503 --> 00:54:39,175
new zoning to keep these golf

1613
00:54:36,439 --> 00:54:41,678
courses from closing up and

1614
00:54:37,874 --> 00:54:44,581
turning into residential. I

1615
00:54:39,276 --> 00:54:46,016
think we almost lost one down a

1616
00:54:41,778 --> 00:54:47,450
ways. And I would rather see

1617
00:54:44,681 --> 00:54:48,918
golf courses. I think to make

1618
00:54:46,316 --> 00:54:50,320
an ideal community, yo should

1619
00:54:47,550 --> 00:54:52,856
have something green spaces

1620
00:54:49,019 --> 00:54:56,793
like this, and I think you got

1621
00:54:50,954 --> 00:54:58,728
to keep them viable. I think

1622
00:54:52,956 --> 00:55:00,397
everybody here agrees with that.

1623
00:54:57,127 --> 00:55:02,565
So in order to do that, yeah,

1624
00:54:58,962 --> 00:55:03,767
he could develop it and get

1625
00:55:00,497 --> 00:55:05,568
three 300 houses or units or

1626
00:55:02,666 --> 00:55:06,670
whatever you want to call them.

1627
00:55:03,867 --> 00:55:11,207
And they're a lot more traffic

1628
00:55:05,669 --> 00:55:12,676
than the existing roads have.

1629
00:55:06,770 --> 00:55:14,144
So I think this is less I do

1630
00:55:11,308 --> 00:55:15,945
believe the roads do need to be

1631
00:55:12,776 --> 00:55:18,081
improved there. That's not

1632
00:55:14,244 --> 00:55:19,983
maybe our department, but

1633
00:55:16,046 --> 00:55:22,052
somebody I think from the city

1634
00:55:18,181 --> 00:55:24,187
line to 52nd is three lanes.

1635
00:55:20,083 --> 00:55:25,188
And I at least think that 52nd

1636
00:55:22,385 --> 00:55:26,289
56 should be three lanes,

1637
00:55:24,287 --> 00:55:27,490
especially with these new

1638
00:55:25,288 --> 00:55:29,359
parking lots going in here,

1639
00:55:26,389 --> 00:55:31,261
you're going to need turn lanes,

1640
00:55:28,158 --> 00:55:33,196
so you might as well just make

1641
00:55:29,459 --> 00:55:34,397
at least a so that people out

1642
00:55:31,361 --> 00:55:36,199
of Becky Drive canet in and

1643
00:55:33,296 --> 00:55:37,300
out. I went through there a few

1644
00:55:34,497 --> 00:55:38,401
different times. It's very hard

1645
00:55:36,299 --> 00:55:40,203
to turn out, especially left

1646
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:42,906
from the. Because there's no

1647
00:55:38,501 --> 00:55:44,074
other way out except for going

1648
00:55:40,303 --> 00:55:45,842
through the horseshoe. So Mr.

1649
00:55:43,006 --> 00:55:47,644
Kitchen and the family has done

1650
00:55:44,607 --> 00:55:49,713
a lot for this city w before

1651
00:55:45,942 --> 00:55:51,181
any of these plants were there

1652
00:55:47,744 --> 00:55:54,017
and have a nice operation, I

1653
00:55:49,813 --> 00:55:55,118
think we should try to help

1654
00:55:51,281 --> 00:55:55,919
them. He offered to move the

1655
00:55:54,150 --> 00:55:59,522
wahouse away from the

1656
00:55:55,218 --> 00:56:02,025
residential over to the other

1657
00:55:56,019 --> 00:56:03,393
side of the road. I. I think

1658
00:55:59,622 --> 00:56:04,728
that would be a good fit. Or it

1659
00:56:02,125 --> 00:56:08,064
won't affect as many people.

1660
00:56:03,493 --> 00:56:09,833
But again, the traffic is an

1661
00:56:04,828 --> 00:56:11,668
issue. It's an ongoing issue. I

1662
00:56:08,164 --> 00:56:17,040
even think 56 needs to be

1663
00:56:09,933 --> 00:56:22,812
looked at just all the way down

1664
00:56:11,768 --> 00:56:23,913
three lanes. Yeah. So let's see

1665
00:56:17,140 --> 00:56:25,348
here. Question to staff. I just

1666
00:56:22,912 --> 00:56:32,155
wrote notes everywhere

1667
00:56:24,013 --> 00:56:35,091
listening to what everyone was

1668
00:56:25,448 --> 00:56:36,993
saying. Yeah, I think that's

1669
00:56:32,255 --> 00:56:38,228
probably. I just thinkt'de

1670
00:56:35,191 --> 00:56:41,197
a lot less impact by keeping it

1671
00:56:37,093 --> 00:56:43,900
and allowing him to do what he

1672
00:56:38,328 --> 00:56:45,068
would like to do. So, but the

1673
00:56:41,297 --> 00:56:46,903
warehouse, I didn't see howthatg

1674
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:47,871
it. But if the warehouse could

1675
00:56:45,702 --> 00:56:49,806
be moved, I think that was most

1676
00:56:47,003 --> 00:56:54,177
people's concern was the

1677
00:56:47,971 --> 00:56:55,345
warehouse. So if. And I do

1678
00:56:49,906 --> 00:56:57,013
believe. That could be somehow

1679
00:56:54,511 --> 00:56:58,848
I don't think we're approving

1680
00:56:55,445 --> 00:57:00,283
the warehouse where that goes

1681
00:56:57,113 --> 00:57:02,786
tonight. Like he said, he just

1682
00:56:58,948 --> 00:57:04,487
drew some things to get what

1683
00:57:00,383 --> 00:57:06,055
he'd like. So it's just the

1684
00:57:02,886 --> 00:57:07,524
zoning request. Yeah. But again,

1685
00:57:04,587 --> 00:57:08,691
the road problem is a problem.

1686
00:57:06,156 --> 00:57:10,660
And I, I, you could do a

1687
00:57:07,624 --> 00:57:11,795
traffic stu, but I can tell

1688
00:57:08,792 --> 00:57:15,732
you that I mean, it backs up

1689
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:16,933
all different directions. And I

1690
00:57:11,895 --> 00:57:18,768
think that's. So that's all I

1691
00:57:15,832 --> 00:57:21,871
got to say. Question for staff.

1692
00:57:17,033 --> 00:57:26,042
The 52nd, I guess, is that a

1693
00:57:18,868 --> 00:57:27,644
DOT road study? I don't believe

1694
00:57:21,971 --> 00:57:30,580
so. No. Okay. Commissioners.

1695
00:57:26,142 --> 00:57:32,315
Any other questions commes or

1696
00:57:27,744 --> 00:57:34,818
concerns? Seeing none. Rules

1697
00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:38,421
please call the vote.

1698
00:57:32,415 --> 00:57:42,091
Commissioner. Gilreath. Yes.

1699
00:57:34,918 --> 00:57:44,561
Yes. Yes. Laplaca. Yes. Randall.

1700
00:57:38,521 --> 00:57:47,096
Yes. Yes. Weller. Yes. Zapata.

1701
00:57:42,192 --> 00:57:49,365
Yes. Yes. Motion passes. Now,

1702
00:57:44,661 --> 00:57:50,800
just a couple  things. It's

1703
00:57:47,197 --> 00:57:54,304
passed. Just a suggestion that

1704
00:57:49,566 --> 00:57:55,505
I might make to the developer

1705
00:57:50,900 --> 00:57:58,608
and the owner based on the

1706
00:57:54,404 --> 00:58:00,043
people, the residents that came

1707
00:57:56,039 --> 00:58:01,678
in today, and how you are

1708
00:57:58,708 --> 00:58:02,946
graciously want to help, you

1709
00:58:00,143 --> 00:58:04,914
know, help them under help, you

1710
00:58:01,778 --> 00:58:06,516
know, understand what you're

1711
00:58:03,046 --> 00:58:08,351
trying to do. Just a suggestion.

1712
00:58:05,014 --> 00:58:09,719
You might want to hold a

1713
00:58:06,616 --> 00:58:12,322
charrette or a meeting and

1714
00:58:08,485 --> 00:58:13,723
ing the whole neighborhood

1715
00:58:09,819 --> 00:58:15,325
together sometime in the future

1716
00:58:12,422 --> 00:58:16,960
so they know what's going on.

1717
00:58:13,823 --> 00:58:18,027
Because I think you could have

1718
00:58:15,425 --> 00:58:20,196
had hours and hours of

1719
00:58:17,060 --> 00:58:21,798
questions, people asking you

1720
00:58:18,127 --> 00:58:24,501
questions tonight. So I think

1721
00:58:20,296 --> 00:58:25,935
that would be good. You know,

1722
00:58:21,898 --> 00:58:28,471
just a suggestion for you too,

1723
00:58:24,601 --> 00:58:30,473
now that we're done with agenda

1724
00:58:26,035 --> 00:58:31,474
number one and it has passed,

1725
00:58:28,872 --> 00:58:32,809
if you stay for the rest of the

1726
00:58:30,573 --> 00:58:34,677
meeting tonight, that's great.

1727
00:58:31,708 --> 00:58:38,248
If you're going to get up and

1728
00:58:32,909 --> 00:58:39,282
leave when you go out into the

1729
00:58:34,777 --> 00:58:40,483
atrium out there, it's like a

1730
00:58:38,348 --> 00:58:42,151
microphone. We can hear

1731
00:58:39,382 --> 00:58:44,254
whispers out tre. So just

1732
00:58:40,583 --> 00:58:46,823
from a common courtesy

1733
00:58:42,252 --> 00:58:47,957
standpoint, if you could take

1734
00:58:44,354 --> 00:58:49,726
conversations outside, it's not

1735
00:58:46,923 --> 00:58:51,127
raining. I would appreciate it.

1736
00:58:48,391 --> 00:58:53,296
We would appreciate it here

1737
00:58:49,826 --> 00:58:55,665
because we do have more meeting

1738
00:58:51,227 --> 00:58:56,666
to go tonight. And I do

1739
00:58:53,396 --> 00:59:06,276
appreciate appreciate everybody

1740
00:58:55,765 --> 00:59:08,511
showing up tight for this.

1741
00:58:56,766 --> 00:59:11,714
Thank you. Yeah. So so this was

1742
00:59:06,376 --> 00:59:14,684
the site. So we have to site

1743
00:59:08,611 --> 00:59:23,826
plan. And like he didn't have

1744
00:59:11,814 --> 00:59:31,501
none of its design. So you have

1745
00:59:14,784 --> 00:59:34,103
to get it. That's what I

1746
00:59:23,927 --> 00:59:35,104
thought. 30 years. Which is

1747
00:59:31,601 --> 00:59:36,472
like, you know, I'm trying to

1748
00:59:34,203 --> 00:59:38,274
question how people understand

1749
00:59:35,204 --> 00:59:39,409
what you're asking this

1750
00:59:36,573 --> 00:59:48,051
question. I thought it was good,

1751
00:59:38,374 --> 00:59:49,852
but you can't. Yeah. And you

1752
00:59:39,509 --> 00:59:51,287
didn't even download. Okay. He

1753
00:59:48,151 --> 00:59:53,089
didn't really get it at all.

1754
00:59:49,953 --> 00:59:55,325
All right.ose, would you

1755
00:59:51,387 --> 00:59:57,093
please read agenda item number

1756
00:59:53,189 --> 00:59:59,596
1 or 2. Request for special

1757
00:59:55,425 --> 01:00:02,398
land use for two drive through

1758
00:59:57,193 --> 01:00:04,300
restaurants at 744th Street

1759
00:59:59,696 --> 01:00:08,571
West. Section 25 will bring

1760
01:00:02,498 --> 01:00:10,406
construction LEW properties,

1761
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:11,608
LLC. Noah, welcome,

1762
01:00:08,671 --> 01:00:14,077
commissioners. I'll be

1763
01:00:10,506 --> 01:00:16,145
presenting agenda item number

1764
01:00:11,708 --> 01:00:17,981
two here. So this is a request

1765
01:00:14,177 --> 01:00:20,984
for special use for two drive

1766
01:00:16,245 --> 01:00:22,885
through restaurants located at

1767
01:00:18,081 --> 01:00:25,121
744th Street Southwest. Up on

1768
01:00:21,084 --> 01:00:28,458
the screen here you can see

1769
01:00:22,986 --> 01:00:29,826
that this parcel is zoned as B2.

1770
01:00:25,221 --> 01:00:31,961
It's located near that south

1771
01:00:28,558 --> 01:00:35,231
southeast corner of 44th Street

1772
01:00:29,926 --> 01:00:37,567
and Clyde Park, right next to

1773
01:00:32,061 --> 01:00:38,668
that southbound ramp for us.

1774
01:00:35,331 --> 01:00:40,370
131 and then on the right hand,

1775
01:00:37,667 --> 01:00:42,438
top right hand corner right

1776
01:00:38,768 --> 01:00:44,574
there, there's a quick aerial

1777
01:00:40,470 --> 01:00:47,477
view to kind of show where the

1778
01:00:42,538 --> 01:00:49,045
the area around this parcel as

1779
01:00:44,674 --> 01:00:50,747
well. So currently the

1780
01:00:47,577 --> 01:00:51,814
applicant is proposing a retail

1781
01:00:49,145 --> 01:00:53,116
and restaurant use at this

1782
01:00:50,847 --> 01:00:55,018
location. And drive through

1783
01:00:51,914 --> 01:00:56,085
restaurants are permitted as a

1784
01:00:53,216 --> 01:00:57,887
special land use within this B2

1785
01:00:55,118 --> 01:00:59,722
district. The site does

1786
01:00:56,185 --> 01:01:00,923
currently contain an existing

1787
01:00:57,987 --> 01:01:03,292
Pizza Hut building that would

1788
01:00:59,956 --> 01:01:04,694
be proposed to be demolished

1789
01:01:01,024 --> 01:01:06,195
for site redevelopment. The

1790
01:01:03,393 --> 01:01:07,430
applicantoes propose to

1791
01:01:04,794 --> 01:01:09,098
construct two freestanding

1792
01:01:06,295 --> 01:01:10,633
commercial buildings outlined

1793
01:01:07,530 --> 01:01:11,934
there in the blue, with the

1794
01:01:09,198 --> 01:01:13,536
Pizza Hut to occupy the east

1795
01:01:10,733 --> 01:01:14,871
end of the larger building

1796
01:01:12,035 --> 01:01:16,673
outlined in the red,nd then

1797
01:01:13,636 --> 01:01:19,175
the remaining tenant spaces are

1798
01:01:14,971 --> 01:01:20,510
yet to be determined. So right

1799
01:01:16,773 --> 01:01:21,611
now it's just that Pizza Hut

1800
01:01:19,275 --> 01:01:22,679
and then both of these

1801
01:01:20,610 --> 01:01:27,417
buildings are proposed to have

1802
01:01:21,711 --> 01:01:28,885
drive thrus with dedicated

1803
01:01:22,779 --> 01:01:30,119
drive thru lanes as well. For

1804
01:01:27,517 --> 01:01:33,222
special use approval. Staff did

1805
01:01:28,985 --> 01:01:34,624
review the seven standards that

1806
01:01:30,219 --> 01:01:35,692
are outlined in section 9507,

1807
01:01:33,322 --> 01:01:37,493
and we did provide those

1808
01:01:34,724 --> 01:01:38,995
detailed responses as part of

1809
01:01:35,792 --> 01:01:41,431
the staff report. On the next

1810
01:01:37,593 --> 01:01:43,633
slide. Here we'll go over some

1811
01:01:39,095 --> 01:01:44,767
of some of those details right

1812
01:01:41,531 --> 01:01:46,102
here. So the planning staff did

1813
01:01:43,733 --> 01:01:47,537
determine that the proposed use

1814
01:01:44,967 --> 01:01:49,005
is consistent with the zoning

1815
01:01:46,202 --> 01:01:51,574
ordinance. And then all other

1816
01:01:47,637 --> 01:01:53,342
applicle provisions ofhe

1817
01:01:49,105 --> 01:01:54,744
ordinance have been met. City

1818
01:01:51,674 --> 01:01:56,546
staff did reviews the prosed

1819
01:01:53,443 --> 01:01:58,047
use, and the development is not

1820
01:01:54,844 --> 01:01:59,816
expected to have any adverse

1821
01:01:56,646 --> 01:02:01,350
impas on the neighboring

1822
01:01:58,147 --> 01:02:04,854
property traffic, public health,

1823
01:01:59,916 --> 01:02:06,055
safety and welfare for persons

1824
01:02:01,451 --> 01:02:08,491
and property. The use is

1825
01:02:04,954 --> 01:02:09,859
expected to reduce blight at

1826
01:02:06,155 --> 01:02:11,360
the property property. As I

1827
01:02:08,591 --> 01:02:12,061
mentioned, by demolishing the

1828
01:02:09,959 --> 01:02:13,463
existing building and then

1829
01:02:11,461 --> 01:02:15,064
constructing the two new

1830
01:02:12,161 --> 01:02:17,834
commercial buildings with drive

1831
01:02:13,563 --> 01:02:20,103
thrus to ultimately modernize

1832
01:02:15,164 --> 01:02:22,472
the property. The typical

1833
01:02:17,934 --> 01:02:23,906
traffic generated by US one, 31

1834
01:02:20,203 --> 01:02:25,708
and 44th Street, along with the

1835
01:02:22,572 --> 01:02:27,977
visibility of this property,

1836
01:02:24,006 --> 01:02:29,445
makes this project economically

1837
01:02:25,808 --> 01:02:30,780
feasible. And then lastly, the

1838
01:02:28,077 --> 01:02:33,282
drive through resurants must

1839
01:02:29,545 --> 01:02:35,084
provide a minimum of five

1840
01:02:30,913 --> 01:02:36,219
acking spaces for each pickup

1841
01:02:33,349 --> 01:02:37,587
window, and the proposed use

1842
01:02:35,184 --> 01:02:39,021
would allow for those minimum

1843
01:02:36,319 --> 01:02:41,524
stacking spaces without

1844
01:02:37,687 --> 01:02:43,693
interfering with the on site

1845
01:02:39,122 --> 01:02:45,228
circulation. And then looking

1846
01:02:41,624 --> 01:02:46,662
quickly here at the site plan

1847
01:02:43,793 --> 01:02:49,465
approval again, staff did

1848
01:02:45,328 --> 01:02:51,067
review the 13 standards that

1849
01:02:46,763 --> 01:02:52,802
were outlined in section 9505,

1850
01:02:49,565 --> 01:02:54,103
and we detailed those responses

1851
01:02:51,167 --> 01:02:55,605
again in the staff report on

1852
01:02:52,902 --> 01:02:57,740
the next slide. Here we'll go

1853
01:02:54,203 --> 01:02:59,208
over some of those standards

1854
01:02:55,705 --> 01:03:00,643
that are currently met. So the

1855
01:02:57,840 --> 01:03:02,411
site plan does contain an

1856
01:02:59,308 --> 01:03:04,213
appropriate amount of detail to

1857
01:03:00,743 --> 01:03:05,314
understand the proposed use and

1858
01:03:02,512 --> 01:03:07,150
development. The ingress and

1859
01:03:04,313 --> 01:03:09,619
egress have been determined.

1860
01:03:05,414 --> 01:03:10,520
Adequate and emergency vehicle

1861
01:03:07,250 --> 01:03:12,121
access has been provided and

1862
01:03:09,719 --> 01:03:13,222
appropriate. An appropriate

1863
01:03:10,620 --> 01:03:15,024
amount of pedestrian

1864
01:03:12,221 --> 01:03:15,792
circulation was provided on the

1865
01:03:13,322 --> 01:03:17,593
site plans. It actually

1866
01:03:15,124 --> 01:03:20,062
connects the se to the

1867
01:03:15,892 --> 01:03:21,564
existing sidewalk along 44th

1868
01:03:17,693 --> 01:03:22,899
Street, and then there are no

1869
01:03:20,163 --> 01:03:24,100
areas that would require any

1870
01:03:21,664 --> 01:03:25,802
screening beyond the dumpster

1871
01:03:22,999 --> 01:03:27,637
enclosure that's proposed in

1872
01:03:24,200 --> 01:03:28,738
the southwest corner of this

1873
01:03:25,902 --> 01:03:31,374
parcel. And then the site is

1874
01:03:27,737 --> 01:03:33,109
currently served by public

1875
01:03:28,838 --> 01:03:35,945
utilities and services. Looking

1876
01:03:31,541 --> 01:03:37,013
at some of the conditions of

1877
01:03:33,209 --> 01:03:38,848
approval, direct directional

1878
01:03:36,045 --> 01:03:40,650
signage should be provided to

1879
01:03:37,113 --> 01:03:41,784
ensure appropriate vehicular

1880
01:03:38,948 --> 01:03:42,852
circulation around the site,

1881
01:03:40,750 --> 01:03:44,587
and the applint must work

1882
01:03:41,884 --> 01:03:45,655
with the planning staff to

1883
01:03:42,952 --> 01:03:48,157
preserve trees to the extent

1884
01:03:44,687 --> 01:03:49,959
practicable or place trees

1885
01:03:45,755 --> 01:03:51,060
where feasible. On the proposed

1886
01:03:48,291 --> 01:03:52,929
stp, islands should be

1887
01:03:50,059 --> 01:03:54,664
replaced withaised curb

1888
01:03:51,160 --> 01:03:55,865
islands as well, and then the

1889
01:03:53,029 --> 01:03:56,966
parking spaces kind of going

1890
01:03:54,764 --> 01:03:58,734
along with the last bullet

1891
01:03:55,965 --> 01:04:00,803
point, the parking spaces that

1892
01:03:57,066 --> 01:04:01,871
are located in front of the

1893
01:03:58,835 --> 01:04:04,006
proposed eastern building

1894
01:04:00,903 --> 01:04:05,608
should be reconfigured to

1895
01:04:01,971 --> 01:04:06,709
provide a raised curb island

1896
01:04:04,106 --> 01:04:08,477
between the Ada unloading area

1897
01:04:05,708 --> 01:04:09,645
and the drive through lane,

1898
01:04:06,809 --> 01:04:11,948
just to kind of provide some

1899
01:04:08,578 --> 01:04:15,518
sort obuffer there for that

1900
01:04:09,745 --> 01:04:17,320
Ada unloading area. And then if

1901
01:04:12,048 --> 01:04:18,621
the owner is plaing on usingsepe

1902
01:04:15,618 --> 01:04:20,890
buildings, a land division

1903
01:04:17,420 --> 01:04:22,425
application would be would need

1904
01:04:18,721 --> 01:04:25,261
to be submitted to the city.

1905
01:04:20,990 --> 01:04:27,063
All buildings and fire codes

1906
01:04:22,525 --> 01:04:28,865
must be met. And then the

1907
01:04:25,361 --> 01:04:31,000
addition of a new fire hydrant

1908
01:04:27,163 --> 01:04:32,435
near 44th Street in front of

1909
01:04:28,965 --> 01:04:34,270
the blding would be required.

1910
01:04:31,100 --> 01:04:35,705
The other option uld be to

1911
01:04:32,535 --> 01:04:37,874
relocate the existing hydrant

1912
01:04:34,370 --> 01:04:39,308
to the west side of th

1913
01:04:35,805 --> 01:04:41,077
property, near that curb the,

1914
01:04:37,974 --> 01:04:42,879
and then a traffic impact

1915
01:04:39,408 --> 01:04:44,380
analysis would be required for

1916
01:04:41,177 --> 01:04:46,148
this site as well. And then

1917
01:04:42,979 --> 01:04:47,550
finally, additional details

1918
01:04:44,480 --> 01:04:49,051
regarding the stormwater water

1919
01:04:46,249 --> 01:04:50,052
and sanitary and other

1920
01:04:47,650 --> 01:04:53,689
applicable engineering

1921
01:04:49,151 --> 01:04:55,491
requirements must be provided

1922
01:04:50,419 --> 01:04:57,693
as well. Looking quickly at the

1923
01:04:53,789 --> 01:04:59,562
alignment with th master plan,

1924
01:04:55,591 --> 01:05:00,863
this parcel is designated as

1925
01:04:57,793 --> 01:05:04,133
Corridor Commercial, which does

1926
01:04:59,662 --> 01:05:05,568
call for large scale commercial,

1927
01:05:00,963 --> 01:05:07,003
retail and services. The

1928
01:05:04,233 --> 01:05:09,505
proposed use includes the

1929
01:05:05,668 --> 01:05:11,307
typically expected commercial

1930
01:05:07,103 --> 01:05:12,608
uses for corridor, commercial

1931
01:05:09,605 --> 01:05:14,243
and, as I mentioned previously,

1932
01:05:11,407 --> 01:05:16,345
while incorporating connection

1933
01:05:12,708 --> 01:05:17,780
to the existing sidewalk

1934
01:05:14,343 --> 01:05:21,050
network along 44th Street.

1935
01:05:16,445 --> 01:05:22,485
Ultimately, this use does meet

1936
01:05:17,880 --> 01:05:23,920
the vision of the master plan.

1937
01:05:21,150 --> 01:05:24,987
For staff recommendation. The

1938
01:05:22,585 --> 01:05:26,489
development review team

1939
01:05:24,020 --> 01:05:27,323
recommends the Planning

1940
01:05:25,087 --> 01:05:29,759
Commission grant special use

1941
01:05:26,589 --> 01:05:31,327
approval for the two drive

1942
01:05:27,423 --> 01:05:32,595
through restaurants located at

1943
01:05:29,859 --> 01:05:33,863
744th Street and in a separate

1944
01:05:31,427 --> 01:05:35,131
motion grant site. Plan

1945
01:05:32,695 --> 01:05:36,933
approv subject to conditions

1946
01:05:33,963 --> 01:05:40,169
one through four in the staff

1947
01:05:35,231 --> 01:05:41,570
report. I'll be available for

1948
01:05:37,033 --> 01:05:42,972
any questions. Thank you Noel.

1949
01:05:40,269 --> 01:05:46,275
All right. At this time, I'll

1950
01:05:41,671 --> 01:05:48,544
open up public comment on

1951
01:05:43,072 --> 01:05:50,212
agenda item number two. I will

1952
01:05:46,375 --> 01:05:52,381
close public comment agenda

1953
01:05:48,644 --> 01:05:54,216
item number two. Would the

1954
01:05:50,313 --> 01:05:56,385
developer owner like to come up

1955
01:05:52,481 --> 01:05:58,888
your name, your address, ten

1956
01:05:54,317 --> 01:05:59,755
minutes if you choose. My me

1957
01:05:56,652 --> 01:06:00,990
is Matt Cole. I'm with Rosina

1958
01:05:58,988 --> 01:06:05,361
Associates. I'm the engineer

1959
01:05:59,855 --> 01:06:06,862
for the project here

1960
01:06:01,090 --> 01:06:09,699
representing the owner. I

1961
01:06:05,461 --> 01:06:11,500
appreciate the city staff and

1962
01:06:06,963 --> 01:06:13,602
the review on this. We're

1963
01:06:09,799 --> 01:06:15,738
generally in agreement with all

1964
01:06:11,600 --> 01:06:16,939
the requested changes. Really

1965
01:06:13,703 --> 01:06:20,409
just have two. I guess that

1966
01:06:15,838 --> 01:06:23,346
we'd ask that you at least

1967
01:06:17,039 --> 01:06:24,380
think about. One is the traffic

1968
01:06:20,509 --> 01:06:26,248
study. We reached out to

1969
01:06:23,446 --> 01:06:27,416
engineering to find out, you

1970
01:06:24,480 --> 01:06:28,384
know, if ty wanted counts.

1971
01:06:26,349 --> 01:06:30,186
What's going on? I mean, we

1972
01:06:27,516 --> 01:06:31,020
understand that they're

1973
01:06:28,484 --> 01:06:32,288
recommending approval. So I

1974
01:06:30,286 --> 01:06:33,923
think everyone knows and we're

1975
01:06:31,120 --> 01:06:35,291
not planning on changing the

1976
01:06:32,388 --> 01:06:36,959
driveway. So I think we all

1977
01:06:34,023 --> 01:06:38,861
know that I'm interpreting it

1978
01:06:35,558 --> 01:06:39,996
to mean that it's a check mark

1979
01:06:37,059 --> 01:06:41,364
that we have to put on the

1980
01:06:38,961 --> 01:06:44,567
checklist. We did get a price

1981
01:06:40,096 --> 01:06:46,469
that's $8,000. I don't think

1982
01:06:41,464 --> 01:06:48,537
it's going to show anything or

1983
01:06:44,667 --> 01:06:52,641
recommend any changes. In fact,

1984
01:06:47,103 --> 01:06:54,343
I believe the engineer said,

1985
01:06:48,637 --> 01:06:56,045
you know, look at the driveways

1986
01:06:52,742 --> 01:06:57,513
for the neighboring property

1987
01:06:54,443 --> 01:06:59,415
where we might be tying in, and

1988
01:06:56,145 --> 01:07:01,250
that's where we wanted to count.

1989
01:06:57,613 --> 01:07:03,152
So I don't see a lot of value

1990
01:06:59,515 --> 01:07:04,253
there. And it's an $8,000 cost.

1991
01:07:01,517 --> 01:07:06,288
So I'd say if we could waive

1992
01:07:03,252 --> 01:07:08,157
that, that'd be great. If we

1993
01:07:04,353 --> 01:07:09,392
got to do it, we'll do it. We

1994
01:07:06,389 --> 01:07:11,160
know that it's not really going

1995
01:07:08,257 --> 01:07:14,864
to recommend any changes. I did

1996
01:07:09,492 --> 01:07:16,966
want to clarify one other item

1997
01:07:11,527 --> 01:07:19,101
to the Pizza Hut. It is a

1998
01:07:14,964 --> 01:07:20,803
pickup window. It's not a drive

1999
01:07:17,066 --> 01:07:22,104
thru per se, but we understand

2000
01:07:19,201 --> 01:07:23,305
that the zoning ordinance

2001
01:07:20,903 --> 01:07:24,473
doesn't really clarify that

2002
01:07:22,204 --> 01:07:25,608
difference. But I just want to

2003
01:07:23,406 --> 01:07:27,443
let you know that no one's

2004
01:07:24,573 --> 01:07:28,577
going to be placing orders

2005
01:07:25,708 --> 01:07:30,413
there or waiting for the food.

2006
01:07:27,543 --> 01:07:32,515
It's all stuff that's already

2007
01:07:28,677 --> 01:07:33,916
been called in. And so we know

2008
01:07:30,513 --> 01:07:35,851
with Pizza Hut, the most they

2009
01:07:32,615 --> 01:07:37,119
ever see in traffic backed up

2010
01:07:34,016 --> 01:07:38,854
there is two. But we did show

2011
01:07:35,951 --> 01:07:40,089
the five to to meet the

2012
01:07:37,219 --> 01:07:42,024
ordinance. But I wanted to let

2013
01:07:38,954 --> 01:07:43,325
you know that it's not going to

2014
01:07:40,823 --> 01:07:44,827
be that high of an intensity

2015
01:07:42,124 --> 01:07:47,563
use for the Pizza Hut. So

2016
01:07:43,426 --> 01:07:48,597
there's that part. And then

2017
01:07:44,927 --> 01:07:50,499
lastly, when planning staff

2018
01:07:47,663 --> 01:07:52,835
recommended the raise Curve

2019
01:07:48,697 --> 01:07:54,136
Islands, norlly I'm all for

2020
01:07:50,599 --> 01:07:56,572
curve Islands and especially

2021
01:07:52,935 --> 01:07:58,707
when you can have landscaping

2022
01:07:54,370 --> 01:08:00,176
in there. This site, because we

2023
01:07:56,672 --> 01:08:01,610
are jamming a lot onto it. We

2024
01:07:58,808 --> 01:08:02,812
didn't propose the Curve

2025
01:08:00,276 --> 01:08:04,613
Islands just because we're not

2026
01:08:01,710 --> 01:08:05,815
going to be able to put any

2027
01:08:02,912 --> 01:08:07,616
vegetation in there, it's not

2028
01:08:04,713 --> 01:08:08,684
going to live. So the thought

2029
01:08:05,915 --> 01:08:09,919
was, well, we just go with

2030
01:08:07,716 --> 01:08:12,421
striped islands. It's easier to

2031
01:08:08,784 --> 01:08:14,523
snowplow. It's not a trip

2032
01:08:10,019 --> 01:08:15,758
hazard for anyonealking.

2033
01:08:12,521 --> 01:08:17,593
Again. If you say you got to

2034
01:08:14,623 --> 01:08:19,528
have them, we can put them in.

2035
01:08:15,858 --> 01:08:20,763
The thought is we probably put

2036
01:08:17,693 --> 01:08:22,531
in some four inch rule to curb

2037
01:08:19,628 --> 01:08:24,233
just for it being a little bit

2038
01:08:20,863 --> 01:08:26,836
more manageable. But we think

2039
01:08:22,631 --> 01:08:28,938
in this situation, we'd

2040
01:08:24,333 --> 01:08:30,739
recommend just having straight

2041
01:08:26,936 --> 01:08:31,807
pavement. Again, if it was a

2042
01:08:29,038 --> 01:08:33,042
bigger site, we'd have those

2043
01:08:30,840 --> 01:08:34,710
islands, we'd have some

2044
01:08:31,907 --> 01:08:36,412
vegetation in there, but

2045
01:08:33,109 --> 01:08:37,513
without having the vegetation,

2046
01:08:34,810 --> 01:08:39,381
we don't really see a lot of

2047
01:08:36,512 --> 01:08:41,283
value to having the curve

2048
01:08:37,613 --> 01:08:43,185
islands. So that's really all I

2049
01:08:39,482 --> 01:08:45,020
have.nd I'm here to answer

2050
01:08:41,383 --> 01:08:46,555
any questions that you might

2051
01:08:43,285 --> 01:08:48,324
have for me. Thank you. Thank

2052
01:08:45,121 --> 01:08:49,558
you. All right. Commissioners

2053
01:08:46,655 --> 01:08:51,327
in front of us for agenda item

2054
01:08:48,424 --> 01:08:53,162
number two. We have two motions,

2055
01:08:49,658 --> 01:08:54,597
one to grant site plan motion

2056
01:08:51,427 --> 01:08:56,732
to grant special use approval

2057
01:08:53,262 --> 01:08:57,766
for the two drive through

2058
01:08:54,697 --> 01:09:01,704
restaurants at 744th Street

2059
01:08:56,832 --> 01:09:04,940
Southwest. Looking for motion

2060
01:08:57,867 --> 01:09:07,510
from Weller. Second by Paul.

2061
01:09:01,804 --> 01:09:10,479
Questions, comments or concerns?

2062
01:09:05,040 --> 01:09:11,947
Seeing color. Can I make part

2063
01:09:07,610 --> 01:09:15,050
of my motion to waive the. The

2064
01:09:10,579 --> 01:09:17,887
two items that he talked about,

2065
01:09:12,047 --> 01:09:21,557
the traffic study and the. Do

2066
01:09:15,151 --> 01:09:22,992
stripe, curb and curb. Were

2067
01:09:17,987 --> 01:09:24,460
those in the plan to be done?

2068
01:09:21,657 --> 01:09:26,595
Are those subject. Are those

2069
01:09:23,092 --> 01:09:28,664
conditions one through four?

2070
01:09:24,560 --> 01:09:34,537
Yeah, yeah. Yes. I would make a

2071
01:09:26,695 --> 01:09:37,373
motion to waive them two items.

2072
01:09:28,764 --> 01:09:39,542
That's proper to do. Staff has

2073
01:09:34,837 --> 01:09:41,744
a real concern with it. So

2074
01:09:37,473 --> 01:09:46,048
that's a motion to amend the

2075
01:09:39,642 --> 01:09:47,183
motion to amend the approval.

2076
01:09:41,844 --> 01:09:48,317
The approval condition. Yes the

2077
01:09:46,148 --> 01:09:53,889
conditn numbers. I don'tave

2078
01:09:47,283 --> 01:09:55,024
that in front. I'll support

2079
01:09:48,417 --> 01:09:57,526
that. Paul. Still second

2080
01:09:53,989 --> 01:09:59,728
conditions there. Yeah. Do you

2081
01:09:55,124 --> 01:10:00,729
have. Yeah. The actual printout

2082
01:09:57,626 --> 01:10:02,898
of the of the motion the

2083
01:09:59,828 --> 01:10:07,102
conditions one through four

2084
01:10:00,829 --> 01:10:09,138
from the report. We do not it

2085
01:10:02,998 --> 01:10:11,106
is in the agenda I don't think.

2086
01:10:07,203 --> 01:10:12,675
Yeah I did not I do not have a

2087
01:10:09,238 --> 01:10:14,810
printed copy. I have it, I have

2088
01:10:11,207 --> 01:10:17,379
it here. I was you have it.

2089
01:10:12,775 --> 01:10:18,814
Maybe I left my I have it as

2090
01:10:14,910 --> 01:10:21,250
well. Print out it. Well

2091
01:10:17,479 --> 01:10:23,819
discussion right as part of the

2092
01:10:18,914 --> 01:10:26,322
motion. Yeah. Discussion. I

2093
01:10:21,350 --> 01:10:28,123
would say. I think even though

2094
01:10:23,919 --> 01:10:29,258
it's onerous, I'd rather leave

2095
01:10:26,422 --> 01:10:30,793
that to our engineering

2096
01:10:28,257 --> 01:10:32,094
dertment and our staff to, to

2097
01:10:29,358 --> 01:10:35,331
coordinate that and not remove

2098
01:10:30,893 --> 01:10:38,200
it ourselves just because we

2099
01:10:32,194 --> 01:10:42,404
won't. You're making a motion.

2100
01:10:35,431 --> 01:10:47,176
I'm discussing discussing Mr.

2101
01:10:38,300 --> 01:10:50,079
Hall. Wendy. Yeah. I just have

2102
01:10:42,504 --> 01:10:53,249
a comment on that as well. I am

2103
01:10:47,509 --> 01:10:57,620
I would prefer to see the Curb

2104
01:10:50,179 --> 01:10:59,788
Islands rather than the striped

2105
01:10:53,349 --> 01:11:06,262
islands, primarily for safety

2106
01:10:57,720 --> 01:11:09,865
for the a d, a pedestrian, a d

2107
01:11:01,523 --> 01:11:11,267
a customers, as well as to more

2108
01:11:06,362 --> 01:11:17,406
clearly delineate traffic flow

2109
01:11:09,965 --> 01:11:18,907
directions between those two

2110
01:11:11,367 --> 01:11:20,976
drive through areas. Any other

2111
01:11:17,506 --> 01:11:22,811
questions? I agree with Wendy.

2112
01:11:19,208 --> 01:11:25,314
I think the islands should be

2113
01:11:21,076 --> 01:11:27,349
curved and a four inch road

2114
01:11:22,911 --> 01:11:31,487
curb would be fine, but that's

2115
01:11:25,414 --> 01:11:33,622
better than a painted line that

2116
01:11:27,449 --> 01:11:35,758
wears off. Okay, so I got a

2117
01:11:31,587 --> 01:11:47,336
little confused here. I think

2118
01:11:33,722 --> 01:11:48,404
we lve it as it is and let

2119
01:11:35,858 --> 01:11:50,806
staff take care of it. So so.

2120
01:11:47,436 --> 01:11:53,108
Nobody happens to have that.

2121
01:11:48,504 --> 01:11:54,310
Why not? I'm pulling it up

2122
01:11:50,906 --> 01:11:56,078
right now. Mr. chairman, I

2123
01:11:53,208 --> 01:11:57,146
think I'd also say that I

2124
01:11:54,410 --> 01:12:00,316
wouldn't mind if the conditions,

2125
01:11:56,178 --> 01:12:02,451
whener present, were part of

2126
01:11:57,246 --> 01:12:05,721
this part of the slide. They

2127
01:12:00,416 --> 01:12:06,889
don't have to be in the motion.

2128
01:12:02,551 --> 01:12:08,691
That was just right there.

2129
01:12:05,821 --> 01:12:09,792
We're happy to in the future,

2130
01:12:07,022 --> 01:12:11,460
you want printed copies of

2131
01:12:08,791 --> 01:12:14,330
the staff report, we can

2132
01:12:09,892 --> 01:12:15,964
provide that for future

2133
01:12:11,560 --> 01:12:17,132
meetings. I didn't bring it

2134
01:12:14,430 --> 01:12:19,068
tonight. So let me pull it up

2135
01:12:16,065 --> 01:12:21,503
because I don't have I thought

2136
01:12:17,232 --> 01:12:27,242
I did and I don't. Okay, I've

2137
01:12:19,168 --> 01:12:28,344
got 103 pages here. Hold on.

2138
01:12:21,603 --> 01:12:30,946
That's why I didn't bring it up.

2139
01:12:27,343 --> 01:12:35,884
Colton. You know exactly what

2140
01:12:28,444 --> 01:12:37,920
page it's on right in here. 103

2141
01:12:31,046 --> 01:12:39,922
pages you sent us. Where are we

2142
01:12:36,552 --> 01:12:41,123
at here? I guess while they're

2143
01:12:38,020 --> 01:12:43,392
looking at that, I can just

2144
01:12:40,022 --> 01:12:45,527
give you my comment, I mean,

2145
01:12:41,223 --> 01:12:46,995
this. Site existing building

2146
01:12:43,492 --> 01:12:48,797
about the same size footprint,

2147
01:12:45,627 --> 01:12:51,033
but I do think it's going to

2148
01:12:47,096 --> 01:12:52,334
get tight with the curbs. And I

2149
01:12:48,897 --> 01:12:56,305
see them. So. So I didn't mean

2150
01:12:51,266 --> 01:13:00,976
to interrupt you. So the roll

2151
01:12:52,434 --> 01:13:04,947
curve for the handicap, that is

2152
01:12:56,405 --> 01:13:08,250
one of the items correct. Yeah.

2153
01:13:01,310 --> 01:13:09,418
I have it here Mr. Chairman.

2154
01:13:05,047 --> 01:13:12,154
Condition one is applicant. Oh

2155
01:13:08,350 --> 01:13:17,192
there you go. You found it.

2156
01:13:09,551 --> 01:13:18,660
Ner mind. Okay. It's on our

2157
01:13:12,254 --> 01:13:20,562
screens. Right? Yeah. So as

2158
01:13:17,292 --> 01:13:21,930
stated it's going to be work

2159
01:13:18,761 --> 01:13:24,500
with Wyoming Engineeri Office.

2160
01:13:20,662 --> 01:13:25,868
Right. So I think we leave

2161
01:13:22,064 --> 01:13:27,302
moon as is and allow the you

2162
01:13:24,600 --> 01:13:29,104
know, maybe we can suggest to

2163
01:13:25,968 --> 01:13:30,572
or, or make comments of that.

2164
01:13:27,403 --> 01:13:31,940
This is noted as our approval,

2165
01:13:29,204 --> 01:13:32,941
but it's still something that

2166
01:13:30,672 --> 01:13:34,042
you're going to have to work

2167
01:13:32,040 --> 01:13:35,144
through with the engineer

2168
01:13:33,041 --> 01:13:36,945
because it's, they're the ones

2169
01:13:34,143 --> 01:13:49,358
that care about the traffic

2170
01:13:35,244 --> 01:13:51,393
more than us and can regulate

2171
01:13:37,045 --> 01:13:54,997
the traffic more than us. Right.

2172
01:13:49,458 --> 01:13:56,432
But if to be clear, Mr.

2173
01:13:51,493 --> 01:13:59,101
Chairman, if we reject the

2174
01:13:55,097 --> 01:14:00,102
amendment, then this language

2175
01:13:57,099 --> 01:14:03,272
is controlling and the staff

2176
01:13:59,201 --> 01:14:04,440
cannot just unilaterally waive

2177
01:14:00,202 --> 01:14:06,141
the traffic. Study requirement.

2178
01:14:03,372 --> 01:14:09,778
Correct? That is correct. We

2179
01:14:04,540 --> 01:14:12,648
would have to make the decision

2180
01:14:06,241 --> 01:14:14,783
here. Mr. chairman, if I could

2181
01:14:09,878 --> 01:14:16,952
chime in, please do. Traffic

2182
01:14:12,748 --> 01:14:19,121
impact analysis is a code

2183
01:14:14,883 --> 01:14:20,422
requirement, and we actually do

2184
01:14:17,052 --> 01:14:22,024
have a specific criteria for

2185
01:14:19,221 --> 01:14:23,058
waiving or making modifications

2186
01:14:20,522 --> 01:14:24,893
to that requirement that I

2187
01:14:22,124 --> 01:14:27,062
think the Planning Commission

2188
01:14:23,158 --> 01:14:28,730
would need to consider for that

2189
01:14:24,993 --> 01:14:29,898
specific element. But we're

2190
01:14:27,162 --> 01:14:38,207
happy to work with you on that.

2191
01:14:28,831 --> 01:14:41,810
If if you want to further

2192
01:14:29,998 --> 01:14:44,246
discuss. So a new mion with

2193
01:14:38,307 --> 01:14:46,148
all of the. With conditions one

2194
01:14:41,910 --> 01:14:48,984
through four? Well, I think we

2195
01:14:44,346 --> 01:14:55,123
need to either vote on this

2196
01:14:46,248 --> 01:14:57,259
existing motion or the motion

2197
01:14:49,084 --> 01:14:59,795
needs to be withdrawn. Yeah. So.

2198
01:14:55,224 --> 01:15:01,964
Well, there was a talk about

2199
01:14:57,359 --> 01:15:03,465
maybe a lower or. Roger being

2200
01:15:00,229 --> 01:15:04,933
an engineer, a road curb, but I

2201
01:15:02,064 --> 01:15:06,068
think that one curb their

2202
01:15:03,565 --> 01:15:07,903
access drive is going to be

2203
01:15:05,033 --> 01:15:09,771
you're going to be popular all

2204
01:15:06,168 --> 01:15:10,906
the time. You could be hitting

2205
01:15:08,003 --> 01:15:12,774
a lot of wheels. You could be

2206
01:15:09,872 --> 01:15:13,909
knocked in the head off the

2207
01:15:11,006 --> 01:15:15,878
curb with the snowplows. I just

2208
01:15:12,875 --> 01:15:17,112
think it's kind of a tight

2209
01:15:14,009 --> 01:15:18,847
sight to to do that. So that

2210
01:15:15,978 --> 01:15:20,015
was my concern there. But the

2211
01:15:17,212 --> 01:15:22,518
traffic study, I think it's for

2212
01:15:18,914 --> 01:15:24,453
the access road going to the

2213
01:15:20,115 --> 01:15:26,388
Fox Motors back there. So I

2214
01:15:22,618 --> 01:15:28,290
don't again, they were asking

2215
01:15:24,553 --> 01:15:30,726
that we waive them to. So I was

2216
01:15:26,488 --> 01:15:32,327
hoping. But if if we can't

2217
01:15:28,390 --> 01:15:36,198
waive it, then we'll let staff.

2218
01:15:31,093 --> 01:15:38,033
If staff can't waive it without

2219
01:15:32,761 --> 01:15:40,068
a whole big process, I just I

2220
01:15:36,298 --> 01:15:41,537
could go with a road curb. I

2221
01:15:38,133 --> 01:15:44,406
just think the or the, the

2222
01:15:40,168 --> 01:15:47,009
painted curb, one or the other.

2223
01:15:41,637 --> 01:15:48,110
But the tall curbs, this is

2224
01:15:44,506 --> 01:15:49,177
where they're going to be,

2225
01:15:47,109 --> 01:15:50,345
where you're going to be

2226
01:15:48,210 --> 01:15:52,147
hitting that one, coming in

2227
01:15:49,278 --> 01:15:53,215
there with garbage trucks and

2228
01:15:50,445 --> 01:15:55,117
stuff. It's going to be, I just

2229
01:15:52,247 --> 01:15:56,285
think you're going to be

2230
01:15:53,315 --> 01:15:58,120
popping the curb all day long.

2231
01:15:55,217 --> 01:15:59,955
So, so blindside when they pull

2232
01:15:56,385 --> 01:16:01,356
out, I just think you're going

2233
01:15:58,220 --> 01:16:03,125
to bend your wheels. I so

2234
01:16:00,055 --> 01:16:04,960
that's all I was like, Mr.

2235
01:16:01,456 --> 01:16:07,829
Weller, would you please

2236
01:16:03,225 --> 01:16:10,832
restate your. Yeah. Your motio

2237
01:16:05,093 --> 01:16:12,501
agn. Well, am I allowed to

2238
01:16:07,930 --> 01:16:16,872
just the to drop. AM I allowed

2239
01:16:10,999 --> 01:16:18,273
to do the traffic drop. Waive

2240
01:16:12,601 --> 01:16:19,708
the traffic study. Yes or no?

2241
01:16:16,972 --> 01:16:21,176
Can you waive the traffic study,

2242
01:16:18,373 --> 01:16:23,111
the traffic impact analysis

2243
01:16:19,808 --> 01:16:24,112
required by code. The only way

2244
01:16:21,276 --> 01:16:25,847
you can waive it or modify is

2245
01:16:23,211 --> 01:16:27,349
through specific criteria. But

2246
01:16:24,313 --> 01:16:29,885
I believe you were also talking

2247
01:16:25,948 --> 01:16:31,653
about and please correct me if

2248
01:16:27,449 --> 01:16:33,422
I'm the raised curbs. The

2249
01:16:29,985 --> 01:16:35,190
raised curb was that is a

2250
01:16:31,753 --> 01:16:36,825
different conditionhat was

2251
01:16:33,522 --> 01:16:39,161
provided by our department.

2252
01:16:35,290 --> 01:16:40,629
Okay. So if you want to discuss

2253
01:16:36,925 --> 01:16:42,397
that condition, that that is

2254
01:16:39,261 --> 01:16:48,170
not referring to the same code

2255
01:16:40,729 --> 01:16:49,938
section that I'm referring to.

2256
01:16:42,497 --> 01:16:53,175
Okay. I wld make a motion to

2257
01:16:48,270 --> 01:16:58,947
waive the traffic study and let

2258
01:16:50,038 --> 01:17:01,216
staff work with, with the

2259
01:16:53,275 --> 01:17:03,352
petitioner on a. A curb curb

2260
01:16:59,047 --> 01:17:04,853
options. That's what I think.

2261
01:17:01,483 --> 01:17:06,421
Is that easy one. Is that

2262
01:17:03,452 --> 01:17:08,690
easier for everybody? They

2263
01:17:04,953 --> 01:17:09,992
can't build the site without

2264
01:17:06,521 --> 01:17:11,293
the traffic study. Yeah, they

2265
01:17:08,790 --> 01:17:12,694
gotta have the traffic traffic,

2266
01:17:10,092 --> 01:17:14,262
have the traffic study. Okay.

2267
01:17:11,393 --> 01:17:15,430
Then we'll just drive. Then

2268
01:17:12,794 --> 01:17:17,265
we're going to drop the drop

2269
01:17:14,363 --> 01:17:19,868
the motion for the. So you're

2270
01:17:15,530 --> 01:17:21,470
going to so you withdraw. Yeah.

2271
01:17:17,366 --> 01:17:22,871
Withdraw. You draw. You're okay,

2272
01:17:19,968 --> 01:17:24,873
Mr. Chairman, if I might, once

2273
01:17:21,570 --> 01:17:27,042
the motion is made and second,

2274
01:17:22,971 --> 01:17:29,244
it belongs to the body, I would

2275
01:17:24,973 --> 01:17:30,612
move to amend the motion which

2276
01:17:27,709 --> 01:17:32,848
I seconded, to remove the

2277
01:17:29,344 --> 01:17:35,050
traffic study component from

2278
01:17:30,712 --> 01:17:37,085
his motion. But leave the

2279
01:17:32,948 --> 01:17:38,186
language that condition number.

2280
01:17:35,150 --> 01:17:42,591
I'm sorry. Help me with the

2281
01:17:37,185 --> 01:17:44,793
condition number. I think it's

2282
01:17:38,286 --> 01:17:46,428
condition number four D that

2283
01:17:42,691 --> 01:17:48,363
four D be modified to say. Mr.

2284
01:17:44,893 --> 01:17:49,531
Well, I don't want to speak for

2285
01:17:46,528 --> 01:17:51,433
you, but what was it you were

2286
01:17:48,463 --> 01:17:52,567
trying to say there that they

2287
01:17:49,631 --> 01:17:53,702
would be able to work with the

2288
01:17:51,533 --> 01:17:56,972
staff to come up with an

2289
01:17:52,668 --> 01:17:58,340
acceptable solution, a painted

2290
01:17:53,802 --> 01:17:59,741
curbs or a or a curb curb? A as

2291
01:17:57,072 --> 01:18:01,977
resolved by the staff and the

2292
01:17:58,407 --> 01:18:04,146
developer. That was that's the

2293
01:17:59,841 --> 01:18:05,313
word. So I would amend the

2294
01:18:02,077 --> 01:18:09,117
amended motion to say that I

2295
01:18:04,246 --> 01:18:12,054
like that. Do you amend the

2296
01:18:05,414 --> 01:18:13,455
amended motion to say that I'm

2297
01:18:09,217 --> 01:18:14,956
not making a motion again? Yeah,

2298
01:18:12,154 --> 01:18:18,360
that's what commissioners do.

2299
01:18:13,555 --> 01:18:19,628
You understand what's going on?

2300
01:18:15,057 --> 01:18:21,730
Yes, y. Colton. Excuse me. If

2301
01:18:18,460 --> 01:18:23,231
I could jump in really quickly,

2302
01:18:19,728 --> 01:18:25,133
please do. I just like to

2303
01:18:21,830 --> 01:18:26,435
clarify that that that

2304
01:18:23,331 --> 01:18:28,603
amendment would read and we

2305
01:18:25,233 --> 01:18:30,005
just need some specific

2306
01:18:26,535 --> 01:18:31,840
language instead of the

2307
01:18:28,704 --> 01:18:33,308
proposed stripe island shall be

2308
01:18:30,105 --> 01:18:34,376
replaced with raised curb

2309
01:18:31,940 --> 01:18:35,477
islands. The proposed. This is

2310
01:18:33,408 --> 01:18:37,345
what would be proposed. The

2311
01:18:34,476 --> 01:18:39,748
proposedtripe island shall be

2312
01:18:35,577 --> 01:18:41,616
replaced with curbs either

2313
01:18:37,446 --> 01:18:43,018
painted or rolled curbs correct.

2314
01:18:39,848 --> 01:18:44,419
According to. After meeting

2315
01:18:41,717 --> 01:18:47,289
with staff or correct

2316
01:18:43,118 --> 01:18:51,593
sufficient to staff's

2317
01:18:44,519 --> 01:18:57,766
satisfaction. Correct. Great.

2318
01:18:47,389 --> 01:19:01,503
Any other comments or concerns?

2319
01:18:51,960 --> 01:19:04,306
Oh no. No no. Nope. You had

2320
01:18:57,866 --> 01:19:08,610
your time. Thank you. Roll call

2321
01:19:01,603 --> 01:19:12,180
the vote. Commissioner.

2322
01:19:04,406 --> 01:19:15,851
Gilreath. Watts. Yes. Yes. Yes.

2323
01:19:08,710 --> 01:19:17,252
Yes. Randall. Yes. Yes. Weller.

2324
01:19:12,280 --> 01:19:18,887
Yes. Zapata. Yes. Yes. Motion

2325
01:19:15,951 --> 01:19:21,156
one passes. Motion two is to

2326
01:19:17,352 --> 01:19:21,923
grant site plan approval for

2327
01:19:18,987 --> 01:19:25,494
the project at 744th Street,

2328
01:19:21,256 --> 01:19:28,163
subject to conditions one

2329
01:19:22,023 --> 01:19:30,165
through four. Questions,

2330
01:19:25,594 --> 01:19:31,032
comments or concerns? Roll.

2331
01:19:28,263 --> 01:19:33,401
Call the vote, Commissioner

2332
01:19:30,265 --> 01:19:37,739
Gilbreath. Oh, wait a minute,

2333
01:19:31,133 --> 01:19:41,009
wait a minute. I need a motion.

2334
01:19:33,502 --> 01:19:43,145
Yes, motion by Roger. Second by

2335
01:19:37,839 --> 01:19:44,946
Robert. If I could jump in one

2336
01:19:41,109 --> 01:19:45,647
more time, I apologize. Please

2337
01:19:43,245 --> 01:19:47,549
do. Technically, the four

2338
01:19:45,046 --> 01:19:48,850
conditions that you're

2339
01:19:45,747 --> 01:19:51,853
approving are part of site plan

2340
01:19:47,649 --> 01:19:53,255
approval, not special use

2341
01:19:48,950 --> 01:19:56,792
approval. Yeah, okay. I said

2342
01:19:51,953 --> 01:19:58,260
site plan, didn't I? Yes, but

2343
01:19:53,355 --> 01:20:00,695
you just approved special use

2344
01:19:56,892 --> 01:20:02,964
approval according to

2345
01:19:58,360 --> 01:20:04,399
conditions, right? I'm on. I'm

2346
01:20:00,796 --> 01:20:06,034
on the second motion. Right. We

2347
01:20:03,064 --> 01:20:07,102
got ahead of ourselves. Yeah we

2348
01:20:04,499 --> 01:20:08,236
did. We should have amended the

2349
01:20:06,101 --> 01:20:10,105
second motion, but instead we

2350
01:20:07,202 --> 01:20:11,173
amended the first motion. But

2351
01:20:08,336 --> 01:20:13,041
we didn't need to amend. And it

2352
01:20:10,205 --> 01:20:14,176
doesn't matter, because all we

2353
01:20:11,273 --> 01:20:15,277
did was accept the amendment to

2354
01:20:13,141 --> 01:20:21,316
the amendment. So we didn't

2355
01:20:14,276 --> 01:20:23,084
actually take any final action.

2356
01:20:15,377 --> 01:20:25,220
Yeah. That's it. Wendy. I

2357
01:20:21,416 --> 01:20:28,123
believe at this time we need a

2358
01:20:23,185 --> 01:20:30,258
site plan, a motion for site

2359
01:20:25,320 --> 01:20:38,967
plan approval subject to

2360
01:20:28,223 --> 01:20:40,902
conditions one through four,

2361
01:20:30,358 --> 01:20:42,871
with any shift in for D. So

2362
01:20:39,067 --> 01:20:45,807
what we could do is we could

2363
01:20:41,002 --> 01:20:47,309
table. Mr. chairman, we could

2364
01:20:43,004 --> 01:20:49,177
ble or we could table. Set

2365
01:20:45,907 --> 01:20:50,812
aside. Sorry. We can set aside.

2366
01:20:47,409 --> 01:20:52,247
We could just take a motion to

2367
01:20:49,277 --> 01:20:53,682
grant the special use Kalene

2368
01:20:50,912 --> 01:20:55,884
because we don't have that yet.

2369
01:20:52,581 --> 01:21:01,256
Do that and then come back to

2370
01:20:53,782 --> 01:21:05,193
the amended motion. We have on

2371
01:20:55,984 --> 01:21:09,931
the site plan approval, whichwo.

2372
01:21:01,356 --> 01:21:12,100
Yes, yes, yes. So you need to

2373
01:21:05,293 --> 01:21:16,004
motion to site plan approval,

2374
01:21:10,031 --> 01:21:22,510
special, special, scial use

2375
01:21:12,200 --> 01:21:27,215
motion to motion to S. Oh you

2376
01:21:16,104 --> 01:21:30,785
support all in. All call the

2377
01:21:22,611 --> 01:21:34,089
vote Commissioner Geary. Yes.

2378
01:21:27,315 --> 01:21:36,558
Yes. Yes. Laplaca. Yes. Randall.

2379
01:21:30,886 --> 01:21:38,293
Yes. Yes. Weller. Yes. Zapata.

2380
01:21:34,189 --> 01:21:41,329
Yes. Yes. Motion passe Sorry,

2381
01:21:36,658 --> 01:21:43,365
I stepped out on the porch for

2382
01:21:38,393 --> 01:21:44,933
a little while, so I'm back now.

2383
01:21:41,429 --> 01:21:47,002
We need our site plans. So now

2384
01:21:43,465 --> 01:21:48,603
I get that. Okay, well, we have

2385
01:21:45,500 --> 01:21:50,272
an amended site plan approval

2386
01:21:47,102 --> 01:21:52,007
motion. All we did was approve

2387
01:21:48,703 --> 01:21:53,275
the amendment to the amendment.

2388
01:21:50,372 --> 01:21:54,509
So we now have an amended site

2389
01:21:52,107 --> 01:21:58,580
plan approval still before the

2390
01:21:53,375 --> 01:22:02,450
body that needs to be approved.

2391
01:21:54,609 --> 01:22:06,254
Yep. So the amended site plan

2392
01:21:58,680 --> 01:22:08,957
need a motion motion by Paul.

2393
01:22:02,550 --> 01:22:11,426
Second by Sherri. Questions,

2394
01:22:06,354 --> 01:22:16,598
comments or concerns? Roll call

2395
01:22:09,057 --> 01:22:19,701
vote. Commissioner Geary Watts.

2396
01:22:11,526 --> 01:22:32,714
Yes. Oh, yes. Yes. Yes. Randall.

2397
01:22:16,698 --> 01:22:33,848
Yes. Yes. Weller. Yes. Zapata.

2398
01:22:19,801 --> 01:22:39,521
Yes. Yes. Motion passes. Okay.

2399
01:22:32,814 --> 01:22:42,791
Would you please read agenda

2400
01:22:33,949 --> 01:22:45,327
item number three? Thank you.

2401
01:22:40,555 --> 01:22:47,095
So we have set aside learning

2402
01:22:42,891 --> 01:22:48,897
and growth for a few months

2403
01:22:45,427 --> 01:22:53,234
because we had some special

2404
01:22:47,195 --> 01:22:55,003
circumstances, a special

2405
01:22:49,030 --> 01:22:57,172
meeting, some lengthy agendas.

2406
01:22:53,335 --> 01:22:59,341
I'm happy to have learning and

2407
01:22:55,103 --> 01:23:01,876
growth back on our agenda today.

2408
01:22:57,272 --> 01:23:03,979
One of the requests in our list

2409
01:23:00,775 --> 01:23:06,948
of subjects was to have an

2410
01:23:01,977 --> 01:23:09,451
update from public safety. So

2411
01:23:04,079 --> 01:23:10,485
we have with us tonight Chief

2412
01:23:07,048 --> 01:23:11,553
Snyder and Captain Weiler, and

2413
01:23:09,551 --> 01:23:14,089
they're going to share a

2414
01:23:10,585 --> 01:23:17,025
presentation for us this

2415
01:23:11,653 --> 01:23:20,595
evening. Good evening everybody.

2416
01:23:14,189 --> 01:23:23,798
Interesting meeting so far. So

2417
01:23:17,359 --> 01:23:25,700
we run a tight ship. I guess we

2418
01:23:20,695 --> 01:23:26,868
do run a. Colton asked us to

2419
01:23:23,898 --> 01:23:28,136
pop in today and talk a little

2420
01:23:25,800 --> 01:23:31,006
bit about a little bit about

2421
01:23:26,968 --> 01:23:32,374
the police department. Excuse

2422
01:23:28,236 --> 01:23:34,609
me. So we thought, you know,

2423
01:23:31,106 --> 01:23:35,810
what better to discuss tonight

2424
01:23:32,474 --> 01:23:37,445
than flat camas, automated

2425
01:23:34,709 --> 01:23:39,247
license plate readers, if you

2426
01:23:35,910 --> 01:23:41,449
guys have been on social media

2427
01:23:37,545 --> 01:23:42,584
latelyr watch the news, it's

2428
01:23:39,981 --> 01:23:46,087
an extrely hot topic we

2429
01:23:41,549 --> 01:23:48,089
presented to the council at the

2430
01:23:42,684 --> 01:23:50,125
work session yesterday evening,

2431
01:23:46,187 --> 01:23:51,192
and a lot of it was an active

2432
01:23:48,189 --> 01:23:52,327
meeting, put it that way. So we

2433
01:23:50,225 --> 01:23:54,095
just thoug maybe you'd all

2434
01:23:51,292 --> 01:23:55,697
find it interesti. What we're

2435
01:23:52,427 --> 01:23:57,465
going to abbreviate it a little

2436
01:23:54,195 --> 01:23:58,666
bit. I think the presentation

2437
01:23:55,797 --> 01:24:00,568
we did for council was about a

2438
01:23:57,565 --> 01:24:01,970
half hour. And for the sake of

2439
01:23:58,767 --> 01:24:03,571
time and, you know, lack of an

2440
01:24:00,668 --> 01:24:04,639
audience really, we would just

2441
01:24:02,070 --> 01:24:05,740
kind of give you a brief

2442
01:24:03,671 --> 01:24:08,443
overview of it. From our

2443
01:24:04,739 --> 01:24:11,012
standpoint. I'm an advocate of

2444
01:24:05,840 --> 01:24:12,680
it. Are pretty much every local

2445
01:24:08,543 --> 01:24:14,616
chief sheriff in the area is

2446
01:24:11,112 --> 01:24:16,384
utilizing it and is in favor of

2447
01:24:12,781 --> 01:24:17,752
it, but certainly strictly for

2448
01:24:14,716 --> 01:24:20,622
law enforcement purposes,

2449
01:24:16,484 --> 01:24:23,224
strictly for law enforcement

2450
01:24:17,852 --> 01:24:24,626
purposes. It's been an amazing

2451
01:24:20,722 --> 01:24:27,529
tool. My captain, police

2452
01:24:23,324 --> 01:24:29,731
services captain Eric Weiler,

2453
01:24:24,993 --> 01:24:33,301
is our resident expert in the

2454
01:24:27,629 --> 01:24:35,470
in this area. We've had the

2455
01:24:29,831 --> 01:24:37,205
cameras since 22, and he's been

2456
01:24:33,401 --> 01:24:39,407
kind of involved in that

2457
01:24:35,570 --> 01:24:41,276
project since then. And is it

2458
01:24:37,305 --> 01:24:43,711
our our, our department

2459
01:24:39,507 --> 01:24:45,313
administrator? So I will leave

2460
01:24:41,776 --> 01:24:47,182
it up to him to kind of discuss

2461
01:24:43,812 --> 01:24:48,450
the nuts and bolts of it. And

2462
01:24:45,413 --> 01:24:50,251
if you have questions durg or

2463
01:24:47,282 --> 01:24:51,352
at the end, please feel free to

2464
01:24:48,550 --> 01:24:53,154
ask. And it's good seeing you

2465
01:24:50,351 --> 01:24:54,155
all. Thank you, thank you,

2466
01:24:51,453 --> 01:24:55,423
thank you, thank you for your

2467
01:24:53,254 --> 01:24:57,158
service. Thank you. Thanks,

2468
01:24:54,255 --> 01:24:58,226
chief. So I know we don't often

2469
01:24:55,523 --> 01:24:59,294
get an opportunity to speak

2470
01:24:57,258 --> 01:25:00,462
with this commission. So we

2471
01:24:58,326 --> 01:25:02,297
really thank you for the

2472
01:24:59,394 --> 01:25:04,265
invitation to be here tonight.

2473
01:25:01,129 --> 01:25:05,433
I think it's great that we can

2474
01:25:02,397 --> 01:25:06,534
just come and have a chat with

2475
01:25:04,365 --> 01:25:08,303
you. Like chief said, you know,

2476
01:25:05,533 --> 01:25:09,304
automatic license plate readers

2477
01:25:06,634 --> 01:25:10,371
really have been a big concern

2478
01:25:08,403 --> 01:25:12,207
lately, not only in our

2479
01:25:09,404 --> 01:25:13,341
community but around the

2480
01:25:10,472 --> 01:25:14,409
country. So just to give you a

2481
01:25:12,307 --> 01:25:16,244
quick, quick brief tonight,

2482
01:25:13,441 --> 01:25:17,378
because I know you guys have

2483
01:25:14,509 --> 01:25:19,314
had a long night already and

2484
01:25:16,344 --> 01:25:21,182
you guys probably ready to go

2485
01:25:17,479 --> 01:25:22,217
home. So what I just want to

2486
01:25:19,414 --> 01:25:23,418
talk about is some of the

2487
01:25:21,282 --> 01:25:25,253
technology that we use, how

2488
01:25:22,317 --> 01:25:26,921
it's used, how it works, our

2489
01:25:23,518 --> 01:25:28,323
policies that we he in place

2490
01:25:25,353 --> 01:25:29,424
for proper use of those systems.

2491
01:25:27,021 --> 01:25:31,259
And then just kind of give you

2492
01:25:28,423 --> 01:25:33,161
maybe some of the success

2493
01:25:29,524 --> 01:25:34,229
stories that we've had in about

2494
01:25:31,359 --> 01:25:36,297
the four and a half years that

2495
01:25:33,261 --> 01:25:38,867
we've used the cameras. So

2496
01:25:34,329 --> 01:25:40,602
chief mentioned we have Alpr

2497
01:25:36,397 --> 01:25:42,403
cameras. We have 42 fixed

2498
01:25:38,967 --> 01:25:43,471
cameras throughout the city.

2499
01:25:40,702 --> 01:25:45,673
Now, that's not 42 dferent

2500
01:25:42,504 --> 01:25:46,908
locations because it really it

2501
01:25:43,571 --> 01:25:48,109
takes two cameras to capture

2502
01:25:45,773 --> 01:25:49,944
each direction of a roadway,

2503
01:25:47,008 --> 01:25:51,746
right? So there's about 20

2504
01:25:48,209 --> 01:25:53,381
locations throughout the city

2505
01:25:50,044 --> 01:25:54,682
that we have fixed cameras. We

2506
01:25:51,846 --> 01:25:56,518
also have two portable cameras

2507
01:25:53,481 --> 01:25:58,219
that we can put up at large

2508
01:25:54,816 --> 01:25:59,320
ents. So like we have Metro

2509
01:25:56,618 --> 01:26:01,122
cruise, Carnival anywhere where

2510
01:25:58,319 --> 01:26:02,557
there's anywhere where there's

2511
01:25:59,420 --> 01:26:04,192
large gatherings that we have a

2512
01:26:01,222 --> 01:26:06,494
public safety concern, we can

2513
01:26:02,657 --> 01:26:07,729
kind of put those portable

2514
01:26:04,292 --> 01:26:09,430
cameras up. We also have Alpr

2515
01:26:06,594 --> 01:26:11,299
technology through axon, which

2516
01:26:08,263 --> 01:26:12,700
is integrated into the dash

2517
01:26:09,531 --> 01:26:14,068
cameras of our patrol cars. So

2518
01:26:11,399 --> 01:26:15,136
when officers are driving

2519
01:26:12,800 --> 01:26:16,204
around, if a car is in front of

2520
01:26:14,169 --> 01:26:19,574
them, it's reading those

2521
01:26:15,236 --> 01:26:21,176
license plates that are in

2522
01:26:16,304 --> 01:26:22,310
front of them as well. So one

2523
01:26:19,674 --> 01:26:24,179
thing like I brought up with

2524
01:26:21,276 --> 01:26:25,346
council last night too is, you

2525
01:26:22,410 --> 01:26:26,581
know, flock is a tech company.

2526
01:26:24,279 --> 01:26:28,283
They, you know, like a lot of

2527
01:26:25,446 --> 01:26:29,551
tech companies, they started

2528
01:26:26,681 --> 01:26:31,119
out with automated license

2529
01:26:28,383 --> 01:26:32,754
plate readers, but they've

2530
01:26:29,651 --> 01:26:33,888
expanded into many markets. So

2531
01:26:31,219 --> 01:26:35,723
a lo of things you see on

2532
01:26:32,854 --> 01:26:36,891
social media, they talk about

2533
01:26:33,988 --> 01:26:38,927
these cameras can record audio

2534
01:26:35,823 --> 01:26:40,762
and video and, you know, all

2535
01:26:36,991 --> 01:26:42,530
these different things. Flock

2536
01:26:39,027 --> 01:26:44,365
does have security, video

2537
01:26:40,862 --> 01:26:45,767
cameras, security video

2538
01:26:42,630 --> 01:26:47,302
trailers, gunshot detection

2539
01:26:44,465 --> 01:26:48,770
devices, which have microphones

2540
01:26:45,867 --> 01:26:49,837
that are out in the public. We

2541
01:26:47,402 --> 01:26:51,139
don't have any of that

2542
01:26:48,870 --> 01:26:52,774
technology in the city of

2543
01:26:49,938 --> 01:26:53,875
Wyoming. The only thing that we

2544
01:26:51,239 --> 01:26:55,510
use from flock is that

2545
01:26:52,874 --> 01:26:57,712
automated license plateeader.

2546
01:26:53,975 --> 01:26:59,314
And really that is just a

2547
01:26:55,610 --> 01:27:00,882
digital camera kind of motion

2548
01:26:57,812 --> 01:27:02,417
sensor on it. So a car drives

2549
01:26:59,414 --> 01:27:04,519
by it. It takes a quick digital

2550
01:27:00,982 --> 01:27:07,355
picture. So the only thing that

2551
01:27:02,650 --> 01:27:08,790
it captures is just a still

2552
01:27:04,619 --> 01:27:10,358
image as the vehicle passes it.

2553
01:27:07,689 --> 01:27:12,093
So the way the system works,

2554
01:27:08,890 --> 01:27:13,595
either the car will pass that

2555
01:27:10,458 --> 01:27:15,363
fixed camera, or it will bin

2556
01:27:12,193 --> 01:27:16,464
front of one of our patrol cars

2557
01:27:13,695 --> 01:27:18,199
that have the mobile cameras in

2558
01:27:15,463 --> 01:27:19,901
them. Again, it'll snap that

2559
01:27:16,564 --> 01:27:21,803
picture of it. What it's

2560
01:27:18,299 --> 01:27:23,037
looking at is the back of a

2561
01:27:20,001 --> 01:27:25,139
vehicle. So as the car passes,

2562
01:27:21,903 --> 01:27:26,541
it takes a picture of the back

2563
01:27:23,137 --> 01:27:28,076
of the vehicle. The camera will

2564
01:27:25,240 --> 01:27:29,310
read the alphanumerics on the

2565
01:27:26,641 --> 01:27:31,145
plate, so the letters and

2566
01:27:28,176 --> 01:27:32,580
numbers that are on there, it

2567
01:27:29,410 --> 01:27:34,716
will then do a system check of

2568
01:27:31,246 --> 01:27:36,517
those, which it compares that

2569
01:27:32,680 --> 01:27:38,353
to list that is available from

2570
01:27:34,816 --> 01:27:39,787
the National Crime Information

2571
01:27:36,618 --> 01:27:41,589
Center or the state's law

2572
01:27:38,453 --> 01:27:43,391
enforcement database, which is

2573
01:27:39,887 --> 01:27:45,526
called Lee. An important

2574
01:27:41,689 --> 01:27:46,194
distinction here is that flock

2575
01:27:43,491 --> 01:27:48,463
does not run any personal

2576
01:27:45,627 --> 01:27:50,231
information through any of

2577
01:27:46,294 --> 01:27:52,033
those databases. It's simply a

2578
01:27:48,563 --> 01:27:53,201
list that has a license plate

2579
01:27:50,331 --> 01:27:55,570
number, a vehicle description,

2580
01:27:52,133 --> 01:27:57,105
and a reason why this vehicle

2581
01:27:53,701 --> 01:27:58,473
is wanted for law enforcement

2582
01:27:55,670 --> 01:28:00,041
investigation. There's no names,

2583
01:27:57,205 --> 01:28:01,709
there's no addresses, date of

2584
01:27:58,573 --> 01:28:03,911
birth, phone numbers, none of

2585
01:28:00,141 --> 01:28:05,780
that information is stored in

2586
01:28:01,809 --> 01:28:07,048
the database. So there's no

2587
01:28:04,012 --> 01:28:08,583
interface for flock to talk to

2588
01:28:06,014 --> 01:28:11,085
to anything else. The only

2589
01:28:07,148 --> 01:28:13,955
thing that gets kept in flock

2590
01:28:08,850 --> 01:28:15,390
is simply that picture of the

2591
01:28:11,185 --> 01:28:16,891
car. So if it reads that,ou

2592
01:28:14,055 --> 01:28:18,393
know to that list, it compares

2593
01:28:15,490 --> 01:28:19,527
it to that list. If there's a

2594
01:28:16,991 --> 01:28:21,162
vehicle on that list that's

2595
01:28:18,493 --> 01:28:23,398
wanted either a wanted person,

2596
01:28:19,627 --> 01:28:25,500
a missing person, an Amber

2597
01:28:21,262 --> 01:28:27,001
alert, anything like that. If

2598
01:28:23,998 --> 01:28:28,703
it matches anything on that

2599
01:28:25,600 --> 01:28:30,238
list, it putout what's called

2600
01:28:27,101 --> 01:28:31,673
the Hot List alert. So any

2601
01:28:28,803 --> 01:28:33,808
officers logged into it, it'll

2602
01:28:30,471 --> 01:28:35,209
go out. Officers can then start

2603
01:28:32,206 --> 01:28:37,145
to get to that area of where

2604
01:28:33,908 --> 01:28:38,846
that camera is and start

2605
01:28:35,310 --> 01:28:39,981
looking for that car. If it's

2606
01:28:37,245 --> 01:28:41,683
not on that list, it just gets

2607
01:28:38,946 --> 01:28:43,484
stored in a database and it's

2608
01:28:40,081 --> 01:28:45,620
stored in that database for 30

2609
01:28:41,783 --> 01:28:46,654
days for historical searches

2610
01:28:43,584 --> 01:28:48,423
later. So again, I kind of

2611
01:28:45,720 --> 01:28:49,590
mentioned it, but what's

2612
01:28:46,754 --> 01:28:51,392
detected by these cameras, the

2613
01:28:48,523 --> 01:28:53,494
only thing detected by these

2614
01:28:49,691 --> 01:28:55,063
cameras is the license plate,

2615
01:28:51,492 --> 01:28:56,564
the vehicle characteristics,

2616
01:28:53,594 --> 01:28:58,566
the location of the camera, and

2617
01:28:55,163 --> 01:28:59,867
the date and time of where that

2618
01:28:56,664 --> 01:29:01,102
picture was taken, and just an

2619
01:28:58,666 --> 01:29:02,904
aggregate traffic count data.

2620
01:28:59,967 --> 01:29:04,405
So how many cars have passed

2621
01:29:01,202 --> 01:29:06,474
this camera in this amount of

2622
01:29:03,004 --> 01:29:08,676
time? It's not individualized

2623
01:29:04,505 --> 01:29:09,744
any vehicle. It's just a raw

2624
01:29:06,808 --> 01:29:11,579
ta count. So again what's not

2625
01:29:08,776 --> 01:29:12,747
detected by this. There's no

2626
01:29:09,844 --> 01:29:14,882
personally identifiable

2627
01:29:11,679 --> 01:29:15,983
information. There's no speed.

2628
01:29:12,847 --> 01:29:17,685
There's no aud, no video, no

2629
01:29:14,982 --> 01:29:19,287
facial recognition or cell

2630
01:29:16,084 --> 01:29:20,888
phone tracking. It generally

2631
01:29:17,785 --> 01:29:22,357
doesn't capture race, gender,

2632
01:29:19,420 --> 01:29:24,525
or the personal identity of

2633
01:29:20,988 --> 01:29:25,960
cars. An exception to that may

2634
01:29:22,457 --> 01:29:27,729
be, say, a convertible passes

2635
01:29:24,625 --> 01:29:29,230
or a Jeep Wrangler that doesn

2636
01:29:26,060 --> 01:29:30,631
have a top on it. Could the

2637
01:29:27,829 --> 01:29:32,066
system then potentially see the

2638
01:29:29,330 --> 01:29:33,801
race and gender of a person

2639
01:29:30,732 --> 01:29:36,170
driving the car? Yes it could,

2640
01:29:32,166 --> 01:29:37,572
but those are not searchable

2641
01:29:33,901 --> 01:29:39,374
features in the system. There's

2642
01:29:36,270 --> 01:29:41,275
nowhere to put it in, you know,

2643
01:29:38,139 --> 01:29:42,143
a race or gender of a person to

2644
01:29:40,108 --> 01:29:43,945
do a search. It also doesn't

2645
01:29:41,376 --> 01:29:46,481
generally catch private

2646
01:29:42,243 --> 01:29:48,282
property. So none of our

2647
01:29:44,045 --> 01:29:49,884
cameras are pointed at property

2648
01:29:46,581 --> 01:29:52,987
owned that are privately.

2649
01:29:48,383 --> 01:29:53,988
They're all in positions

2650
01:29:49,984 --> 01:29:55,456
throughout the city that theyarc

2651
01:29:53,087 --> 01:29:59,494
roadways to only capture

2652
01:29:54,088 --> 01:30:00,928
vehicles that are traveling on

2653
01:29:55,556 --> 01:30:02,330
public roadways. So this is

2654
01:29:59,594 --> 01:30:03,765
just a screenshot of what our

2655
01:30:01,028 --> 01:30:04,799
officers see. And this is the

2656
01:30:02,430 --> 01:30:06,701
information that is stored in

2657
01:30:03,865 --> 01:30:08,469
the database. So there's a

2658
01:30:04,899 --> 01:30:09,904
close up of the license plate

2659
01:30:06,801 --> 01:30:10,972
general overview of the vehicle

2660
01:30:08,569 --> 01:30:13,207
that as it passed the camera

2661
01:30:10,004 --> 01:30:15,276
and again that location of

2662
01:30:11,072 --> 01:30:17,078
where it was taken. So the city

2663
01:30:13,741 --> 01:30:19,614
of Wyoming does own all of the

2664
01:30:15,376 --> 01:30:21,149
data that is captured by these

2665
01:30:17,178 --> 01:30:22,884
alpr networks. And it's oy

2666
01:30:19,714 --> 01:30:23,885
stored on that network for 30

2667
01:30:21,249 --> 01:30:26,187
days. After 30 days, it's hard

2668
01:30:22,984 --> 01:30:29,791
deleted, which means we can't

2669
01:30:23,985 --> 01:30:32,160
get it flat, can't get it. It's

2670
01:30:26,287 --> 01:30:33,728
pretty much gone. So getting

2671
01:30:29,891 --> 01:30:34,962
into our policy, we have a very

2672
01:30:32,260 --> 01:30:36,864
extensive policy because we

2673
01:30:33,828 --> 01:30:38,566
feel that it's very important

2674
01:30:35,062 --> 01:30:39,967
that our systems are being used

2675
01:30:36,964 --> 01:30:42,270
properly. Some of the purposes

2676
01:30:38,666 --> 01:30:43,704
of our policy is to ensure that

2677
01:30:40,067 --> 01:30:45,506
the system use respects

2678
01:30:42,370 --> 01:30:47,275
individuals constitutional and

2679
01:30:43,805 --> 01:30:48,743
statutory rights, including

2680
01:30:45,606 --> 01:30:50,545
privacy, freedom of speech and

2681
01:30:47,375 --> 01:30:52,780
association, freedom of

2682
01:30:48,843 --> 01:30:53,781
religion and equal protection.

2683
01:30:50,645 --> 01:30:55,116
It's also to provide governmt

2684
01:30:52,880 --> 01:30:55,950
accountability, deter criminal

2685
01:30:53,881 --> 01:30:57,385
behavior and, when appropriate,

2686
01:30:55,216 --> 01:30:59,921
assist in criminal

2687
01:30:56,050 --> 01:31:01,122
investigations and prosecutions

2688
01:30:57,485 --> 01:31:03,157
and locate missing persons

2689
01:31:00,021 --> 01:31:03,891
purpose. It also is to enhance

2690
01:31:01,222 --> 01:31:06,461
the department's efficiency and

2691
01:31:03,257 --> 01:31:07,829
effectiveness in providing

2692
01:31:03,991 --> 01:31:08,696
officer and community safety.

2693
01:31:06,694 --> 01:31:09,730
So again, since it's pretty

2694
01:31:07,929 --> 01:31:12,934
extensive policy, we just

2695
01:31:08,796 --> 01:31:15,136
pulled out some of the

2696
01:31:09,831 --> 01:31:16,871
highlights for you out of it.

2697
01:31:13,034 --> 01:31:17,939
Only the the Alpr system can

2698
01:31:15,236 --> 01:31:19,006
only be used for conducting the

2699
01:31:16,971 --> 01:31:21,209
department's official business

2700
01:31:18,039 --> 01:31:22,243
and restricted to its public

2701
01:31:19,106 --> 01:31:23,511
safety related mission.

2702
01:31:21,309 --> 01:31:25,146
Immigration and reproductive

2703
01:31:22,343 --> 01:31:27,048
health searches are prohibited

2704
01:31:23,611 --> 01:31:28,850
and restricted from search

2705
01:31:25,246 --> 01:31:29,717
entry. So if you put in or try

2706
01:31:27,615 --> 01:31:30,818
to do a search for immigration

2707
01:31:28,950 --> 01:31:33,387
or reproductive health, the

2708
01:31:29,817 --> 01:31:34,522
system doesn't even allow you

2709
01:31:30,918 --> 01:31:35,990
to conduct that search.

2710
01:31:33,488 --> 01:31:38,125
Officers are prohibited from

2711
01:31:34,622 --> 01:31:39,594
taking any enforcement action

2712
01:31:36,090 --> 01:31:41,028
based solely on an Alpr alert.

2713
01:31:38,226 --> 01:31:42,430
All information has to be

2714
01:31:39,694 --> 01:31:45,600
verified. So what that means is

2715
01:31:41,128 --> 01:31:47,435
that that camera reads a

2716
01:31:42,530 --> 01:31:48,669
license plate as a BC1234. The

2717
01:31:45,700 --> 01:31:51,572
officer gets behind the car,

2718
01:31:47,535 --> 01:31:53,140
they have to verify. The plate

2719
01:31:48,836 --> 01:31:54,308
on that car is a BC1234 before

2720
01:31:51,672 --> 01:31:56,244
they can stop it. They also

2721
01:31:53,241 --> 01:31:57,912
have to check either that Leon

2722
01:31:54,575 --> 01:31:59,113
or NCIC to make sure that this

2723
01:31:56,344 --> 01:32:01,482
vehicle is still wanted for any

2724
01:31:58,012 --> 01:32:03,117
law enforcement purpose, before

2725
01:31:59,213 --> 01:32:04,552
they can initiate that activity.

2726
01:32:01,582 --> 01:32:06,187
Before any historical searches

2727
01:32:03,217 --> 01:32:07,989
can be done of this system,

2728
01:32:04,652 --> 01:32:09,524
officers must enter the offense,

2729
01:32:06,287 --> 01:32:11,592
type a case number and a reason

2730
01:32:08,089 --> 01:32:12,727
for the search. Without those,

2731
01:32:09,624 --> 01:32:13,794
the search can't happen. This

2732
01:32:11,692 --> 01:32:15,363
allows, you know, proper

2733
01:32:12,827 --> 01:32:16,898
auditing of the system to make

2734
01:32:13,895 --> 01:32:19,800
sure that they're being used

2735
01:32:15,463 --> 01:32:21,302
for legitimate law enforcement

2736
01:32:16,998 --> 01:32:22,303
purposes. In the Alpr system is

2737
01:32:19,901 --> 01:32:24,505
considered criminal justice

2738
01:32:21,402 --> 01:32:26,641
information, which is protected

2739
01:32:22,670 --> 01:32:28,776
by federal law. So any

2740
01:32:24,605 --> 01:32:32,413
violations of using this system,

2741
01:32:26,741 --> 01:32:34,215
officers could be charged

2742
01:32:28,876 --> 01:32:35,683
federally under those statutes.

2743
01:32:32,513 --> 01:32:36,751
Our policy also lists a lot of

2744
01:32:34,315 --> 01:32:38,686
prohibited uses recording

2745
01:32:35,783 --> 01:32:40,354
license plates that are not

2746
01:32:36,851 --> 01:32:41,789
exposed to public view, using

2747
01:32:38,786 --> 01:32:43,991
the system to harass or

2748
01:32:40,454 --> 01:32:45,359
intimidate any individual or

2749
01:32:41,923 --> 01:32:46,794
grp using the system, or

2750
01:32:44,091 --> 01:32:48,629
associated hotlist because of a

2751
01:32:45,459 --> 01:32:50,064
person's or group's race,

2752
01:32:46,894 --> 01:32:51,866
gender, religion, political

2753
01:32:48,729 --> 01:32:53,301
affiliation, nationality,

2754
01:32:50,164 --> 01:32:55,136
ethnicity, sexual orientation,

2755
01:32:51,966 --> 01:32:56,871
disability, or other

2756
01:32:53,401 --> 01:32:58,339
classification protected by law

2757
01:32:55,236 --> 01:33:00,508
also prohibits using the Alpr

2758
01:32:56,971 --> 01:33:01,943
system or associated hotlist or

2759
01:32:58,439 --> 01:33:03,077
any personal purpo, or using

2760
01:33:00,608 --> 01:33:04,478
the system or associated

2761
01:33:02,043 --> 01:33:06,347
hotlist for the purpose of

2762
01:33:03,177 --> 01:33:08,115
identifying any individual or

2763
01:33:04,579 --> 01:33:09,216
group engaged in the exercise

2764
01:33:06,447 --> 01:33:10,585
of First Amendment rights,

2765
01:33:08,215 --> 01:33:11,786
unless used only for the

2766
01:33:09,317 --> 01:33:13,154
protection of those persons.

2767
01:33:10,685 --> 01:33:14,989
What that means is, if there's

2768
01:33:11,886 --> 01:33:16,724
a lawful protest that's going

2769
01:33:13,254 --> 01:33:18,893
on, counter protesters show up,

2770
01:33:15,089 --> 01:33:20,061
they start harassing, they they

2771
01:33:16,824 --> 01:33:21,796
start violating the law trying

2772
01:33:19,193 --> 01:33:22,964
to intimidate those people who

2773
01:33:20,161 --> 01:33:24,265
are lawfully protesting. We

2774
01:33:21,896 --> 01:33:27,602
could use the alpr for those

2775
01:33:23,064 --> 01:33:28,936
people who are violating the

2776
01:33:24,365 --> 01:33:30,004
law. We also have

2777
01:33:27,702 --> 01:33:31,706
accountability for misuse. Like

2778
01:33:29,036 --> 01:33:34,008
the chief had mentioned last

2779
01:33:30,104 --> 01:33:35,409
night in our in the City

2780
01:33:31,806 --> 01:33:37,244
Council meeting, any misuse of

2781
01:33:34,108 --> 01:33:39,113
our system will be dealt with

2782
01:33:35,509 --> 01:33:41,115
swiftly and decisively. So we

2783
01:33:37,345 --> 01:33:42,283
won't tolerate any of that. So

2784
01:33:39,213 --> 01:33:44,852
our systems and our equipment

2785
01:33:41,215 --> 01:33:46,253
and databases are authorized

2786
01:33:42,383 --> 01:33:47,722
for public safety purpose only.

2787
01:33:44,952 --> 01:33:50,224
And in accordance with the

2788
01:33:46,354 --> 01:33:51,659
policy, any individuals

2789
01:33:47,822 --> 01:33:52,693
misusing it and the associated

2790
01:33:50,324 --> 01:33:54,528
databases will be subject to

2791
01:33:51,759 --> 01:33:55,730
local, state and federal

2792
01:33:52,793 --> 01:33:57,598
penalties, including criminal

2793
01:33:54,629 --> 01:34:00,334
prosecution, civil liability

2794
01:33:55,830 --> 01:34:01,535
and or administrative sanctions

2795
01:33:57,698 --> 01:34:03,337
up to and including termination.

2796
01:34:00,434 --> 01:34:05,306
Again, I kind of mentioned

2797
01:34:01,636 --> 01:34:08,175
auditing earlier. The system

2798
01:34:03,437 --> 01:34:09,010
has a very robust audit system

2799
01:34:05,673 --> 01:34:10,578
to it. All searches are lged

2800
01:34:08,275 --> 01:34:12,980
indefinitely. So like I said,

2801
01:34:09,577 --> 01:34:14,882
we started using these cameras

2802
01:34:10,678 --> 01:34:16,584
back in 2022. I can go back and

2803
01:34:13,080 --> 01:34:17,718
audit logs back to 2022 to see

2804
01:34:14,982 --> 01:34:19,186
what the officers were doing.

2805
01:34:16,684 --> 01:34:20,521
And those audits are conducted

2806
01:34:17,952 --> 01:34:22,289
by me as the Police Services

2807
01:34:19,286 --> 01:34:23,324
Bureau captain. I conduct those

2808
01:34:20,621 --> 01:34:24,825
audits. A few months ago,

2809
01:34:22,390 --> 01:34:27,294
Pflock introduced what they

2810
01:34:23,424 --> 01:34:28,396
call an audit assistant, which

2811
01:34:24,925 --> 01:34:29,997
has helped immensely. What this

2812
01:34:27,361 --> 01:34:32,533
does, it kind of looks for

2813
01:34:28,496 --> 01:34:34,435
anomalies in searches, and then

2814
01:34:30,097 --> 01:34:36,837
it will alert me if there's any

2815
01:34:32,633 --> 01:34:39,006
unusual searcs that happen,

2816
01:34:34,535 --> 01:34:40,541
such as an officer running a

2817
01:34:36,937 --> 01:34:43,377
single plate multiple times or

2818
01:34:39,106 --> 01:34:44,812
running a plate without or

2819
01:34:40,641 --> 01:34:46,380
using different case numbers or

2820
01:34:43,477 --> 01:34:47,481
running it in a narrow time

2821
01:34:44,912 --> 01:34:49,517
frame. So it has all these

2822
01:34:46,480 --> 01:34:50,951
different things that it looks

2823
01:34:47,581 --> 01:34:52,687
for that could potentially be

2824
01:34:49,617 --> 01:34:53,888
misuse that alerts me. I have

2825
01:34:51,052 --> 01:34:55,990
the opportunity to go in and

2826
01:34:52,787 --> 01:34:58,159
look at it verify that, yes,

2827
01:34:53,988 --> 01:35:00,995
this was used for a criminal

2828
01:34:56,090 --> 01:35:03,497
justice investigative purpose.

2829
01:34:58,392 --> 01:35:04,632
To date, we have not had any

2830
01:35:01,095 --> 01:35:06,767
misuses of our Alpr network

2831
01:35:03,597 --> 01:35:08,269
identified during our audits,

2832
01:35:04,732 --> 01:35:11,472
and we've not had any citiz

2833
01:35:06,867 --> 01:35:13,274
complaints of alpr misuse by

2834
01:35:08,369 --> 01:35:14,341
any of our officers. So just a

2835
01:35:11,572 --> 01:35:16,177
quick overview of some of the

2836
01:35:13,374 --> 01:35:17,344
success cases that we've had

2837
01:35:14,442 --> 01:35:19,346
since having these cameras.

2838
01:35:16,277 --> 01:35:21,182
About two months ago, we had a

2839
01:35:17,445 --> 01:35:22,950
homicide where an 82 year old

2840
01:35:19,480 --> 01:35:24,351
fele was found dead on her

2841
01:35:21,282 --> 01:35:25,786
porch, and her vehicle was

2842
01:35:23,050 --> 01:35:27,254
stolen within four hours. That

2843
01:35:24,452 --> 01:35:29,123
vehicle and that suspect was

2844
01:35:25,886 --> 01:35:30,891
capted out of state. Because

2845
01:35:27,655 --> 01:35:32,526
of Alpr technology. We were

2846
01:35:29,223 --> 01:35:34,161
able to call the agency down

2847
01:35:30,991 --> 01:35:37,098
there. They located the vehicle,

2848
01:35:32,626 --> 01:35:38,299
got in pursuit, tookim into

2849
01:35:34,261 --> 01:35:40,167
custody. We had a carjacking in

2850
01:35:37,198 --> 01:35:41,402
2024 where a father was sitting

2851
01:35:38,399 --> 01:35:43,070
in a car with his three year

2852
01:35:40,267 --> 01:35:44,071
old out of business. He got

2853
01:35:41,502 --> 01:35:45,139
pulled out of the car,

2854
01:35:43,170 --> 01:35:47,074
violently assaulted. They stole

2855
01:35:44,171 --> 01:35:48,175
the car, not realizing the

2856
01:35:45,272 --> 01:35:49,310
ree year old was in the back

2857
01:35:47,174 --> 01:35:51,078
seat. After pushing the three

2858
01:35:48,275 --> 01:35:52,379
year old out onto Division

2859
01:35:49,410 --> 01:35:54,648
Avenue. They then took off and

2860
01:35:51,178 --> 01:35:55,750
we were able to locate that car,

2861
01:35:52,480 --> 01:35:57,685
the suspects and all, and

2862
01:35:54,749 --> 01:36:00,821
another car that was associated

2863
01:35:55,850 --> 01:36:02,256
with it in Chicago. In less

2864
01:35:57,785 --> 01:36:04,058
than 24 hours, we had an arson

2865
01:36:00,921 --> 01:36:05,826
investigation where a car was

2866
01:36:02,356 --> 01:36:07,294
parked at a local business. A

2867
01:36:04,158 --> 01:36:09,797
car was set on fire through

2868
01:36:05,926 --> 01:36:10,965
Alpr. We wereble to determine

2869
01:36:07,394 --> 01:36:14,101
that was an ex-boyfriend that

2870
01:36:09,897 --> 01:36:15,603
started that car on fire, and

2871
01:36:11,065 --> 01:36:16,637
he's been charged with that.

2872
01:36:14,201 --> 01:36:18,205
Just last month, we had two

2873
01:36:15,703 --> 01:36:20,674
armed robberies within a couple

2874
01:36:16,737 --> 01:36:22,009
hours or subject that was armed

2875
01:36:18,305 --> 01:36:24,078
with a handgun. Using the Alpr,

2876
01:36:20,908 --> 01:36:25,212
we were able to identify the

2877
01:36:22,109 --> 01:36:27,481
suspect as vehicle, and he was

2878
01:36:24,178 --> 01:36:28,883
taken into custody and charged

2879
01:36:25,312 --> 01:36:29,950
with several felonies. In 2025,

2880
01:36:27,581 --> 01:36:31,152
we had a shooting at an

2881
01:36:28,983 --> 01:36:33,521
apartment complex where a

2882
01:36:30,050 --> 01:36:35,322
victim was shot in the parking

2883
01:36:31,252 --> 01:36:36,791
lot. The Alpr helped us

2884
01:36:33,621 --> 01:36:38,926
identify auspect, a suspect

2885
01:36:35,422 --> 01:36:41,796
vehicle, and during a search of

2886
01:36:36,891 --> 01:36:43,230
that suspect's apartment, we

2887
01:36:39,026 --> 01:36:44,365
located 1.1kg of heroin and

2888
01:36:41,896 --> 01:36:45,232
carfentanil, which the lab had

2889
01:36:43,330 --> 01:36:46,967
told us there was enough

2890
01:36:44,465 --> 01:36:50,137
carfentanyl there to probably

2891
01:36:45,332 --> 01:36:51,672
kill everybody in the state of

2892
01:36:47,067 --> 01:36:53,340
Michigan. That was in there. In

2893
01:36:50,237 --> 01:36:54,909
2025, our Metro Pattern Crime

2894
01:36:51,772 --> 01:36:55,910
team was investigating a series

2895
01:36:53,741 --> 01:36:57,645
of larceny of semi tires. That

2896
01:36:55,009 --> 01:36:59,747
was happening really in the

2897
01:36:56,010 --> 01:37:01,248
three county area. There's

2898
01:36:57,745 --> 01:37:03,083
about $100,000 worth of semi

2899
01:36:59,847 --> 01:37:04,552
tires that were stole through

2900
01:37:01,348 --> 01:37:06,153
the Alpr. We were able to

2901
01:37:03,184 --> 01:37:08,522
charge several people with a

2902
01:37:04,652 --> 01:37:10,257
continued criminal enterprise,

2903
01:37:06,253 --> 01:37:12,059
and we're able to recover about

2904
01:37:08,622 --> 01:37:13,460
$35,000 worth of those tires.

2905
01:37:10,357 --> 01:37:14,929
So since we've had these

2906
01:37:12,159 --> 01:37:17,531
cameras inlace, our motor

2907
01:37:13,561 --> 01:37:19,266
vehicle thefts been down about

2908
01:37:15,229 --> 01:37:21,435
is down 60% compared to what it

2909
01:37:17,631 --> 01:37:22,837
was five years ago before the

2910
01:37:19,366 --> 01:37:25,306
cameras, and 23% of the

2911
01:37:21,535 --> 01:37:29,243
vehicles slen in Wyoming are

2912
01:37:22,937 --> 01:37:30,744
recovered in Wyoming by the

2913
01:37:25,406 --> 01:37:31,879
Alpr system. So again, this has

2914
01:37:29,343 --> 01:37:33,647
been used in hundreds of

2915
01:37:30,845 --> 01:37:36,150
investigations, and it's

2916
01:37:31,979 --> 01:37:37,184
directly resulted in 115

2917
01:37:33,747 --> 01:37:39,486
crimin arrest, 209 vehicles

2918
01:37:36,250 --> 01:37:40,654
associated with cres have

2919
01:37:37,284 --> 01:37:42,656
been identified. Over $1

2920
01:37:39,587 --> 01:37:43,724
million in stolen property has

2921
01:37:40,754 --> 01:37:44,859
been recovered, 115 stolen

2922
01:37:42,756 --> 01:37:46,794
vehicles and other various

2923
01:37:43,824 --> 01:37:47,995
properties. Included in that

2924
01:37:44,959 --> 01:37:49,496
number, ten illegal firearms

2925
01:37:46,894 --> 01:37:53,801
have been seized andhree

2926
01:37:48,095 --> 01:37:55,269
missing persons have been

2927
01:37:49,597 --> 01:37:56,770
located. Last week, we release

2928
01:37:53,901 --> 01:37:58,305
what's called the Flock

2929
01:37:55,369 --> 01:37:59,473
Transparency Portal. It's on

2930
01:37:56,871 --> 01:38:01,308
the city's main website. So if

2931
01:37:58,405 --> 01:38:02,543
you go rht to the main

2932
01:37:59,573 --> 01:38:03,577
website, you go to the quick

2933
01:38:01,408 --> 01:38:05,446
links. There's a little link on

2934
01:38:02,643 --> 01:38:06,547
there that you can cli.

2935
01:38:03,677 --> 01:38:08,315
They'll kind of cover a lot of

2936
01:38:05,546 --> 01:38:09,516
the information. And even more

2937
01:38:06,647 --> 01:38:12,152
than what I've covered tonight,

2938
01:38:08,415 --> 01:38:13,654
there's also a QR code there

2939
01:38:09,617 --> 01:38:15,055
that you can scan as well. So

2940
01:38:12,253 --> 01:38:16,090
with that, thanks for your time

2941
01:38:13,754 --> 01:38:17,892
tonight. Anybody have any

2942
01:38:15,155 --> 01:38:20,027
questions or you want to go

2943
01:38:16,190 --> 01:38:21,662
home? Great presentation. Great.

2944
01:38:17,992 --> 01:38:23,364
Very good. What a great tool

2945
01:38:20,127 --> 01:38:25,299
for you guys. It has been it's

2946
01:38:21,762 --> 01:38:26,400
been it's been a great tool for

2947
01:38:23,464 --> 01:38:27,501
us. And you know, just I know

2948
01:38:25,399 --> 01:38:29,336
there's a lot of myth and

2949
01:38:26,500 --> 01:38:30,537
misinformation that's out there

2950
01:38:27,601 --> 01:38:32,306
awful. And every day we want to

2951
01:38:29,436 --> 01:38:33,841
show what the system tually

2952
01:38:30,638 --> 01:38:35,643
does. I have a qution. You

2953
01:38:32,406 --> 01:38:36,644
spoke just a little bit about

2954
01:38:33,941 --> 01:38:37,811
how you determine which

2955
01:38:35,743 --> 01:38:39,713
neighborhoods to put the

2956
01:38:36,744 --> 01:38:41,749
cameras in. Can you speak on

2957
01:38:37,912 --> 01:38:43,550
that a little bit? Yeah. So our

2958
01:38:39,813 --> 01:38:45,152
our crime analyst, we look at

2959
01:38:41,849 --> 01:38:47,187
crime and traffic data. So we

2960
01:38:43,651 --> 01:38:49,323
kind of use that crime and

2961
01:38:45,252 --> 01:38:53,227
traffic data to determine where

2962
01:38:47,288 --> 01:38:55,029
we put the cameras. Okay. Thank

2963
01:38:49,423 --> 01:38:56,430
you. Go ahead. A couple

2964
01:38:53,327 --> 01:38:57,231
questions. First of all, thank

2965
01:38:55,129 --> 01:38:58,632
you very much. This is very

2966
01:38:56,530 --> 01:39:00,134
informative. I really

2967
01:38:57,331 --> 01:39:04,705
appreciate it. I wish I had

2968
01:38:58,732 --> 01:39:07,241
tuned in last night, but I'll

2969
01:39:00,234 --> 01:39:10,210
look it up online. I am curious

2970
01:39:04,805 --> 01:39:12,646
about the development of the

2971
01:39:07,341 --> 01:39:13,781
policies. So I recognize that

2972
01:39:10,778 --> 01:39:15,149
as things shift not only from a

2973
01:39:12,746 --> 01:39:16,984
technology standpoint, but from

2974
01:39:14,114 --> 01:39:18,752
a community standards

2975
01:39:15,249 --> 01:39:20,921
standpoint, you know,our

2976
01:39:17,084 --> 01:39:23,524
department has to update

2977
01:39:18,852 --> 01:39:24,925
policies to reflect those

2978
01:39:21,021 --> 01:39:26,327
changes. Can you describe any

2979
01:39:23,624 --> 01:39:27,361
community or advocate input

2980
01:39:25,025 --> 01:39:29,964
that was involved in the

2981
01:39:26,427 --> 01:39:32,800
development of these policies?

2982
01:39:27,628 --> 01:39:34,101
If there was any, there was not

2983
01:39:30,064 --> 01:39:36,770
any. Okay. Yeah. So we we first

2984
01:39:32,900 --> 01:39:38,706
developed the policy again back

2985
01:39:34,969 --> 01:39:40,374
in 2022. At that time that we

2986
01:39:36,870 --> 01:39:41,442
got the cameras. It was kind of

2987
01:39:38,806 --> 01:39:43,077
an emerging technology. Like I

2988
01:39:40,474 --> 01:39:44,812
explained to council last night,

2989
01:39:42,009 --> 01:39:45,879
we first purchased 12 cameras

2990
01:39:43,177 --> 01:39:47,247
and we wanted to see, you know,

2991
01:39:44,912 --> 01:39:49,783
what their effectiveness would

2992
01:39:46,080 --> 01:39:50,985
be on helping us with our

2993
01:39:47,348 --> 01:39:52,786
mission of community safety. I

2994
01:39:49,883 --> 01:39:53,921
don't have the data in front of

2995
01:39:51,752 --> 01:39:55,789
me right here, right now

2996
01:39:52,886 --> 01:39:57,624
tonight. But I think in that

2997
01:39:54,021 --> 01:39:59,827
first year, we had like 75

2998
01:39:55,889 --> 01:40:01,228
suspects, identified 100 cars,

2999
01:39:57,725 --> 01:40:03,030
recovered, 34 stolen vehicles,

3000
01:39:59,927 --> 01:40:04,298
three firearms, a missing

3001
01:40:01,328 --> 01:40:06,066
dementia patient. All of that

3002
01:40:03,130 --> 01:40:08,002
was done in the first year, and

3003
01:40:04,398 --> 01:40:09,203
that's when we expanded on it.

3004
01:40:06,166 --> 01:40:11,071
I want to say we were probably

3005
01:40:08,102 --> 01:40:12,306
the third or fourth city in the

3006
01:40:09,303 --> 01:40:14,008
state to have the cameras. So

3007
01:40:11,171 --> 01:40:16,010
our policy is pretty much been

3008
01:40:12,973 --> 01:40:17,644
in place since then. Obviously,

3009
01:40:14,108 --> 01:40:19,246
the last six, eight, ten months

3010
01:40:16,377 --> 01:40:21,048
or so, a lot of things have

3011
01:40:17,745 --> 01:40:22,916
come out and we have

3012
01:40:19,346 --> 01:40:24,885
reevaluated that, and we

3013
01:40:21,148 --> 01:40:26,453
republished the policy last

3014
01:40:23,017 --> 01:40:27,988
week. I think it was. So if you

3015
01:40:25,019 --> 01:40:30,357
go to that flock transparency

3016
01:40:26,553 --> 01:40:31,425
portal, the entire policy is

3017
01:40:28,088 --> 01:40:32,626
linked in there. So if you go

3018
01:40:30,457 --> 01:40:34,461
to that transparency portal all

3019
01:40:31,525 --> 01:40:35,696
the way down at the bottom,

3020
01:40:32,726 --> 01:40:37,364
it's got another link to where

3021
01:40:34,561 --> 01:40:38,665
you can read the entire policy.

3022
01:40:35,796 --> 01:40:40,834
Great. Thank you. I appreciate

3023
01:40:37,464 --> 01:40:42,970
that you you mentioned that the

3024
01:40:38,766 --> 01:40:44,872
searches are logged

3025
01:40:40,934 --> 01:40:46,206
indefinitely. Yeah. Can you

3026
01:40:43,070 --> 01:40:48,042
describe the difference or at

3027
01:40:44,972 --> 01:40:50,010
what point is something

3028
01:40:46,306 --> 01:40:53,113
classified as a search versus

3029
01:40:48,142 --> 01:40:55,582
something that's just compared

3030
01:40:50,144 --> 01:40:57,785
to a list? Sure. So really the

3031
01:40:53,213 --> 01:40:59,620
system has there's either an

3032
01:40:55,682 --> 01:41:01,221
alert or a historical search.

3033
01:40:57,885 --> 01:41:02,423
So that alert is when kind of

3034
01:40:59,720 --> 01:41:04,224
on the back end, the camera

3035
01:41:01,321 --> 01:41:06,860
takes the picture, it compares

3036
01:41:02,523 --> 01:41:08,896
it to the list, it puts that

3037
01:41:04,324 --> 01:41:11,432
alert out, that alert usually

3038
01:41:06,960 --> 01:41:13,167
will go out in probably about

3039
01:41:08,996 --> 01:41:14,668
ten to 20s of when that car

3040
01:41:11,532 --> 01:41:17,638
passes the camera. So in that

3041
01:41:13,267 --> 01:41:18,639
ten to 20s, it checks the list

3042
01:41:14,768 --> 01:41:21,141
and then puts it out there. All

3043
01:41:17,738 --> 01:41:22,976
images are stored on the

3044
01:41:18,739 --> 01:41:24,111
database for 30 days. Officers

3045
01:41:21,241 --> 01:41:25,979
then can log into the system.

3046
01:41:23,077 --> 01:41:27,981
They have to attest that I'm

3047
01:41:24,211 --> 01:41:29,783
logging into this for, you know,

3048
01:41:26,080 --> 01:41:31,285
law enforcement purposes. And

3049
01:41:28,082 --> 01:41:33,020
then there's several fields on

3050
01:41:29,883 --> 01:41:34,555
there that they can search. You

3051
01:41:31,385 --> 01:41:36,123
know, you can have that offense

3052
01:41:33,120 --> 01:41:37,458
type, the complaint number and

3053
01:41:34,655 --> 01:41:39,193
the reason for the search, you

3054
01:41:36,223 --> 01:41:40,994
can put in the license plate if

3055
01:41:37,558 --> 01:41:42,429
it's known the license plate is

3056
01:41:39,293 --> 01:41:44,231
not known. Like example I used

3057
01:41:41,095 --> 01:41:45,466
last night is we have an armed

3058
01:41:42,529 --> 01:41:47,234
robbery of a liquor store. And

3059
01:41:44,331 --> 01:41:48,869
a witness says the suspect left

3060
01:41:45,566 --> 01:41:50,337
in a maroon minivan. And that's

3061
01:41:47,334 --> 01:41:51,805
the only information we have.

3062
01:41:48,969 --> 01:41:53,540
They can search for a time

3063
01:41:50,437 --> 01:41:55,342
frame for the cameras in that

3064
01:41:51,905 --> 01:41:56,677
location of that liquor store

3065
01:41:53,640 --> 01:41:58,912
for a maroon minivan. And from

3066
01:41:55,442 --> 01:42:00,747
there, they'll get some, you

3067
01:41:56,777 --> 01:42:02,282
know, pictures. And from there,

3068
01:41:59,012 --> 01:42:04,051
they can we start whittling it

3069
01:42:00,848 --> 01:42:07,187
down and trying to find a

3070
01:42:02,382 --> 01:42:09,389
suspect. Okay, so the search is

3071
01:42:04,151 --> 01:42:11,925
the active part. It's an

3072
01:42:07,287 --> 01:42:13,694
intentional correct observation

3073
01:42:10,424 --> 01:42:16,597
or historical record, as

3074
01:42:12,025 --> 01:42:18,465
opposed to a list comparison

3075
01:42:13,794 --> 01:42:20,534
that is giving an alert if

3076
01:42:16,697 --> 01:42:22,870
there's something to then look

3077
01:42:18,565 --> 01:42:27,774
into more deeply. Yes. Okay.

3078
01:42:20,634 --> 01:42:29,910
Great, great. Thank you. Sorry,

3079
01:42:22,970 --> 01:42:33,313
I'm just making sure I don'thavI

3080
01:42:27,875 --> 01:42:36,850
think I'm good. Thank you. Good

3081
01:42:30,010 --> 01:42:38,585
questions. Call. Yeah. Thanks

3082
01:42:33,413 --> 01:42:41,455
for your service. Is the data

3083
01:42:36,950 --> 01:42:44,324
is it stored on city servers or

3084
01:42:38,919 --> 01:42:46,827
on flock servers? Kind of

3085
01:42:41,555 --> 01:42:48,629
neither. It's on flock uses.

3086
01:42:44,424 --> 01:42:49,696
It's the AWS gov cloud is what

3087
01:42:46,927 --> 01:42:51,965
that's called. So the

3088
01:42:48,729 --> 01:42:54,034
information that's captured

3089
01:42:49,796 --> 01:42:57,271
here gets stored on the AWS gov

3090
01:42:52,065 --> 01:42:58,772
cloud. That is just compliant

3091
01:42:54,134 --> 01:43:00,841
FBI see just compliant. There's

3092
01:42:57,371 --> 01:43:03,010
numerous certifications and

3093
01:42:58,872 --> 01:43:04,611
independent audits that flock

3094
01:43:00,941 --> 01:43:06,980
has to ensure the safety of

3095
01:43:03,110 --> 01:43:08,815
that data as it's being stored

3096
01:43:05,145 --> 01:43:10,951
on there. It's encrypted in

3097
01:43:07,080 --> 01:43:13,787
transit and at rest while it's

3098
01:43:08,916 --> 01:43:15,656
there. And they also have the

3099
01:43:11,051 --> 01:43:17,824
ability to audit that data is

3100
01:43:13,887 --> 01:43:19,593
actually being deleted after

3101
01:43:15,756 --> 01:43:21,762
those 30 days. So I'm not a

3102
01:43:17,925 --> 01:43:24,665
cybersecurity expert. So I took

3103
01:43:19,693 --> 01:43:26,800
all of these compliances and

3104
01:43:21,862 --> 01:43:27,901
audits and certifications that

3105
01:43:24,765 --> 01:43:29,303
flock has to our city's IT

3106
01:43:26,900 --> 01:43:30,437
department. They were able to

3107
01:43:28,001 --> 01:43:32,172
review all of those

3108
01:43:29,403 --> 01:43:33,307
certifications, all of those

3109
01:43:30,537 --> 01:43:35,809
audits. And they have said that

3110
01:43:32,272 --> 01:43:36,743
that's exactly what they look

3111
01:43:33,407 --> 01:43:39,012
for when they're looking for

3112
01:43:35,909 --> 01:43:41,181
cybersecurity for government

3113
01:43:36,843 --> 01:43:43,784
data systems. So our IT

3114
01:43:39,112 --> 01:43:44,952
department does not have any

3115
01:43:41,281 --> 01:43:47,321
concerns with the security of

3116
01:43:43,884 --> 01:43:49,489
that data that's being stored

3117
01:43:45,052 --> 01:43:51,291
in that government cloud. Is it

3118
01:43:47,421 --> 01:43:52,292
shared with other jurisdictions?

3119
01:43:49,590 --> 01:43:54,528
Yes, we do share with other

3120
01:43:51,391 --> 01:43:56,330
jurisdictions. I think right

3121
01:43:52,392 --> 01:43:58,865
now it's like a little over

3122
01:43:54,628 --> 01:44:00,601
1700 agencies throughout the

3123
01:43:56,430 --> 01:44:03,503
country thate share with. We

3124
01:43:58,966 --> 01:44:06,039
have several federal agencies

3125
01:44:00,701 --> 01:44:08,909
that we share with being FBI,

3126
01:44:03,604 --> 01:44:11,778
U.S. Postal Inspection Service,

3127
01:44:06,139 --> 01:44:13,614
Natchez Trace National Park,

3128
01:44:09,009 --> 01:44:15,749
Indiana Dunes National Park,

3129
01:44:11,878 --> 01:44:18,352
Indiana, High Intensity Drug

3130
01:44:13,714 --> 01:44:19,686
Trafficking Association,

3131
01:44:15,849 --> 01:44:23,657
Tennessee Valley Police. And

3132
01:44:18,452 --> 01:44:24,658
there's one more here I'm

3133
01:44:19,786 --> 01:44:26,994
forgetting. Oh, it's

3134
01:44:23,757 --> 01:44:28,195
Wright-Patterson Air Base in

3135
01:44:24,758 --> 01:44:30,163
Ohio. So I know the big

3136
01:44:27,094 --> 01:44:33,800
question a lot of people have

3137
01:44:28,895 --> 01:44:35,535
is about i. Ice does not have

3138
01:44:30,864 --> 01:44:38,772
a contract with flock. And the.

3139
01:44:34,067 --> 01:44:40,974
We don't share information with

3140
01:44:35,636 --> 01:44:44,211
ice from the system. Okay,

3141
01:44:38,872 --> 01:44:47,080
thanks. Just a quick follow up

3142
01:44:41,275 --> 01:44:48,649
to that. Is there a way that

3143
01:44:44,311 --> 01:44:50,684
either flak or another entity

3144
01:44:47,414 --> 01:44:52,452
is able to audit the searches

3145
01:44:48,749 --> 01:44:55,022
that are done by those other

3146
01:44:50,784 --> 01:44:56,790
jurisdictions? Yeah. So each

3147
01:44:52,552 --> 01:44:58,325
agency, each person, each, I

3148
01:44:55,122 --> 01:45:00,327
guess city that has a contract

3149
01:44:56,890 --> 01:45:01,795
with flock. So I have two ways

3150
01:44:58,592 --> 01:45:04,698
to do an audit. I can do what's

3151
01:45:00,427 --> 01:45:06,533
called an organization audit,

3152
01:45:01,895 --> 01:45:08,135
which is just an audit of our

3153
01:45:04,798 --> 01:45:10,804
officers in our agency. Or I

3154
01:45:06,633 --> 01:45:11,905
can do a network audit. A

3155
01:45:08,235 --> 01:45:13,707
network audit shows me every

3156
01:45:10,904 --> 01:45:15,509
activity thas been done on

3157
01:45:12,005 --> 01:45:17,311
our network by any shared

3158
01:45:13,807 --> 01:45:19,112
partner or anybody else. So

3159
01:45:15,609 --> 01:45:20,614
it'll give me that. This agency

3160
01:45:17,411 --> 01:45:22,749
ran a plate for this reason on

3161
01:45:19,212 --> 01:45:24,851
this date and on this time. So

3162
01:45:20,881 --> 01:45:28,088
we have audits for, for both,

3163
01:45:22,849 --> 01:45:30,424
for our shared partnersnd us.

3164
01:45:24,951 --> 01:45:31,758
Thankou. Any other questions,

3165
01:45:28,188 --> 01:45:32,893
commissioners. Well done. Thank

3166
01:45:30,524 --> 01:45:34,761
you guys. Thank you. Be safe.

3167
01:45:31,858 --> 01:45:37,130
Thank you. Have a good night.

3168
01:45:32,993 --> 01:45:38,198
Have a safe drive home. Thank

3169
01:45:34,861 --> 01:45:39,599
you. Thanks. All right.

3170
01:45:37,230 --> 01:45:42,536
Commissioners was a great

3171
01:45:38,298 --> 01:45:43,737
meeting tonight. Any other

3172
01:45:39,700 --> 01:45:46,139
questions, comments or concerns?

3173
01:45:42,636 --> 01:45:47,574
Apologize for stepping outside

3174
01:45:43,837 --> 01:45:48,608
on the deck. That last one I

3175
01:45:46,239 --> 01:45:49,743
just I couldn't I couldn't

3176
01:45:47,674 --> 01:45:51,511
collate it together. For some

3177
01:45:48,709 --> 01:45:53,413
reason. I'm thinking I know

3178
01:45:49,843 --> 01:45:55,549
what he said. Then you said

3179
01:45:51,611 --> 01:45:57,050
something, and then Dave said

3180
01:45:53,513 --> 01:45:58,719
something and I nearly went

3181
01:45:55,649 --> 01:46:01,722
rogue on you. I looked at Wendy

3182
01:45:57,150 --> 01:46:03,724
and I said, Wendy, what's going

3183
01:45:58,819 --> 01:46:05,559
on? I just I apologize for that,

3184
01:46:01,822 --> 01:46:07,327
but it was a great meeting.

3185
01:46:03,824 --> 01:46:09,463
Great meeting. So Colton,

3186
01:46:05,659 --> 01:46:10,931
anything building up good for

3187
01:46:07,427 --> 01:46:14,234
October? I'm skipping Christmas.

3188
01:46:09,863 --> 01:46:17,838
I believe we've got one

3189
01:46:11,031 --> 01:46:19,606
completed application. Okay. So.

3190
01:46:14,334 --> 01:46:24,678
Okay. Yes. Commissioner Hall,

3191
01:46:17,938 --> 01:46:26,113
Mr. chair, maybe an idea for

3192
01:46:19,706 --> 01:46:27,781
future learning and growth.Sure.

3193
01:46:24,778 --> 01:46:32,185
Oh, you know what I thought of

3194
01:46:26,213 --> 01:46:33,620
that when I was talking to the

3195
01:46:27,881 --> 01:46:35,422
group out here? I really did.Mi,

3196
01:46:32,285 --> 01:46:37,958
Robert's rules. But again, I

3197
01:46:33,720 --> 01:46:39,960
think from a municipaly, I

3198
01:46:35,522 --> 01:46:43,330
think the procedures for this

3199
01:46:38,058 --> 01:46:47,300
would be good for all of us to

3200
01:46:40,060 --> 01:46:49,102
have. That way, you know, the

3201
01:46:43,430 --> 01:46:52,038
guy was gentleman really had

3202
01:46:47,401 --> 01:46:55,942
his thought process had changed

3203
01:46:49,202 --> 01:46:57,811
when Mr. Kitchen was talking

3204
01:46:52,139 --> 01:47:00,247
and. Yeah. And I think Robert's

3205
01:46:56,042 --> 01:47:02,616
rules are or how our policy

3206
01:46:57,911 --> 01:47:04,284
works and how we run a meeting

3207
01:47:00,680 --> 01:47:05,752
be very beneficial. For the

3208
01:47:02,716 --> 01:47:07,554
record, I'll say, Dave, nice

3209
01:47:04,384 --> 01:47:10,023
job. That was hard to keep

3210
01:47:05,852 --> 01:47:11,892
everybody in line. Thank you. A

3211
01:47:07,654 --> 01:47:14,361
lot of work I've been I, I go

3212
01:47:10,390 --> 01:47:17,230
to these meetings usually from

3213
01:47:11,992 --> 01:47:20,133
that side of the table and the

3214
01:47:14,461 --> 01:47:21,535
I've seen some dissolve quite

3215
01:47:17,330 --> 01:47:23,270
quickly. And this didn't. Nice

3216
01:47:20,233 --> 01:47:25,472
job. Thank you. Have a quick

3217
01:47:21,635 --> 01:47:26,973
question. It's been a while

3218
01:47:23,370 --> 01:47:29,075
since I've looked at the

3219
01:47:25,572 --> 01:47:30,143
handouts of the agenda or the

3220
01:47:27,073 --> 01:47:31,912
minutes or whatever, or excuse

3221
01:47:29,176 --> 01:47:34,815
me for the residents when ey

3222
01:47:30,210 --> 01:47:37,017
take it.o we have something

3223
01:47:32,012 --> 01:47:38,985
on the back of that that says,

3224
01:47:34,915 --> 01:47:40,954
if you want to present a

3225
01:47:37,117 --> 01:47:43,490
question or here's the protocol,

3226
01:47:39,119 --> 01:47:44,925
is there something that we can

3227
01:47:41,054 --> 01:47:46,092
put on that sheet so that when

3228
01:47:43,590 --> 01:47:47,828
people take it, they know

3229
01:47:45,025 --> 01:47:49,629
what's expected? You kno

3230
01:47:46,193 --> 01:47:50,931
that's a that's a good thought

3231
01:47:47,928 --> 01:47:52,165
that that maybe that's where a

3232
01:47:49,729 --> 01:47:54,334
condense of Robert's rules and

3233
01:47:51,031 --> 01:47:56,069
how the, how the meetings are

3234
01:47:52,265 --> 01:47:57,537
run or even or how the right,

3235
01:47:54,434 --> 01:47:59,072
but how the procedures run on

3236
01:47:56,169 --> 01:48:00,207
the back of, of what? Of the

3237
01:47:57,637 --> 01:48:02,175
agenda? Yes. I think that's a

3238
01:47:59,172 --> 01:48:03,276
great idea. That's something

3239
01:48:00,307 --> 01:48:05,111
that Wendy and I will get

3240
01:48:02,275 --> 01:48:06,279
together with Colton and Noah

3241
01:48:03,376 --> 01:48:07,614
and kind of brainstorm that and

3242
01:48:05,212 --> 01:48:08,381
see how we can put that

3243
01:48:06,379 --> 01:48:09,382
together. I think it's an

3244
01:48:07,714 --> 01:48:12,619
excellent idea. Thank you.

3245
01:48:08,482 --> 01:48:13,520
Absolutely. Sherry. That's

3246
01:48:09,483 --> 01:48:16,623
great. Anything else?

3247
01:48:12,719 --> 01:48:16,623
Commissioners. Great meeting.

3248
01:48:13,620 --> 01:48:16,623
Good to see you. Adjourned.