[25:12] It is.
[25:17] » It's only 3 minutes off.
[25:20] » Better than mine. Mine's 15.
[25:23] » My other one,
[25:25] my old phone used to say it was 15
[25:28] minutes fast. My new phone says that
[25:32] today is
[25:34] » September 1st.
[25:37] » Yeah. Like to welcome him everyone in
[25:40] the audience for today's uh budget
[25:43] meeting and on uh August 28th 11
[25:46] o'clock. Uh I'd appreciate it if we
[25:49] would uh stand and
[25:53] help me with the pledge of allegiance.
[25:56] assistant.
[25:58] » I pledge allegiance to the flag of the
[26:00] United States of America and to the
[26:03] republic for which it stands, one nation
[26:06] under God, indivisible, with liberty and
[26:09] justice for all
[26:19] » Again. Welcome you all for budget
[26:21] meeting.
[26:23] I'm getting printing the rest of them.
[26:26] » Okay.
[26:30] You
[26:31] » Um at this time I would uh
[26:33] » Ask Patty
[26:34] » Ask Patty to take role. Please
[26:36] » Turn to microphone.
[26:44] » Dan,
[26:45] » He's over there yapping but he's not
[26:47] here.
[26:50] » Are you here
[26:51] » Dan?
[26:52] Don
[26:54] » Here.
[26:54] » Wanda.
[26:55] » Yes.
[26:55] » Ryan.
[26:57] John
[26:58] » Here.
[27:06] Any conflicts of interest by any of the
[27:08] board members?
[27:09] » I do not.
[27:10] » I do not.
[27:11] » I do not.
[27:12] » I do not.
[27:14] » I I would move approval of the agenda.
[27:16] » I'd like to add something if I would
[27:19] please. Um, last night at the meeting,
[27:23] uh, what was mentioned multiple times is
[27:26] we need to have a clear direction of
[27:27] where dollars are being spent for the
[27:30] road and bridge levy. I just like to
[27:32] take a few minutes and get the
[27:35] get the opinion of the commissioners
[27:37] that are here and then put something on
[27:39] the next meeting for action.
[27:41] » I suggest that we put it on for the next
[27:43] meeting and not just randomly insert
[27:45] things after we take roll call. Um what
[27:48] why I talked to the chairman before the
[27:50] meeting started. Here's uh I don't think
[27:53] it'll take very long and then second if
[27:56] we wait till the next meeting to get
[27:58] direction then it'll be the next meeting
[28:01] after that before we take action and
[28:04] early voting I think starts next month.
[28:06] So I I think the sooner we get a plan
[28:10] for the citizens, a transparent plan on
[28:14] if this does pass where the dollars are
[28:16] going, the better. So just a brief
[28:19] discussion I I think is is not too much
[28:21] to ask. So
[28:23] » So where do you want to add that on?
[28:25] » We can do it at the end
[28:27] » Before public comment. 5A if that would
[28:29] work for you, Mr. Chair.
[28:33] » 5A prior to our last public comment.
[28:36] And I'd make a motion to approve the
[28:38] agenda with the change of uh levy
[28:44] discussion
[28:46] and not taking any action but just
[28:48] getting the direction of the commission.
[28:53] Get a second.
[28:55] » I'll second it.
[28:56] » Motion by Dan, second by Don.
[29:03] Any further discussion?
[29:08] Hearing none. All in favor? I. I. I.
[29:10] » Oppose. Nay. Motion carries.
[29:14] Now's the time for public comment.
[29:18] Public comment is a time for persons to
[29:20] address this body on any subject. No
[29:22] action may be taken on a matter raised
[29:24] under this item of the agenda until the
[29:26] matter itself has been specifically
[29:28] included on an agenda as an item upon
[29:32] which action will be taken. Each person
[29:34] has up to three minutes to speak. There
[29:36] shall be no personal attacks against the
[29:38] members of this body, county staff,
[29:40] individual, or organizations. The chair
[29:43] has the authority to enforce this
[29:45] policy. Failure to adhere to these rules
[29:48] may result in forfeite of the remaining
[29:50] speaking time. Per county policy, the
[29:53] Yankton County Commissioners will not
[29:55] engage in conversation or make
[29:56] statements during public comment.
[30:00] Anyone wish to come up and speak?
[30:11] Nancy and Andy. Whoa, that is loud. Y
[30:14] Thrive. Um, I was able to find find your
[30:17] 2027 provisional budget on the website
[30:21] and I've made this request in the past
[30:23] as you are looking for more engagement
[30:25] from the community in the budgeting
[30:27] process to have more of the materials
[30:29] available in advance. So, we as the
[30:31] public can follow along rather than just
[30:34] see the completed project um product
[30:37] work product that you create. The city
[30:40] does a really good job of having all of
[30:42] those work documents available online.
[30:44] so the public can view them while the
[30:45] budget is being worked on. And I would
[30:47] just like to ask for that to be
[30:49] considered in the future. Thank you.
[30:51] » Okay.
[30:56] Anyone else wish to speak at public
[30:59] comment?
[31:02] Seeing none, public comment is closed.
[31:08] Like Patty is still making some copies
[31:09] for us.
[31:13] Maybe, you know, we don't Brian,
[31:15] » Did you want to speak for a few minutes?
[31:19] Okay.
[31:25] » Thank you, Mr. Chairman and
[31:26] commissioners. Yeah, I just wanted to
[31:28] offer my thoughts as a department head
[31:30] on the uh provisional budget as adopted
[31:33] last week. I did compare it line by line
[31:36] with our current year 2026 budget and
[31:39] just wanted to uh uh make some
[31:42] notations. As you know the provisional
[31:44] budget as approved last week was uh
[31:47] 14,257,000
[31:50] for the general fund and 5,862,000
[31:55] for the road and bridge fund. That
[31:57] general fund actually is 227,188
[32:02] less than our current year 2026 general
[32:05] fund budget. So that's uh significant
[32:08] anytime you can come in less. The road
[32:10] and bridge fund is 321,000 more than the
[32:14] 2026 road and bridge fund of uh 5.5
[32:18] million. Now you take those two major
[32:21] county funds and that's really the bulk
[32:22] of our spending of course. You take
[32:24] those two major county funds, you add
[32:26] them up, and for 2027 as adopted last
[32:30] week, we're currently at 20,119,000
[32:34] as compared to those two funds totaled
[32:37] 20,25,000
[32:40] in 2026. So you're looking at an overall
[32:43] combined net increase of uh 94,000,
[32:48] which is less than 1/2 of 1%. And I just
[32:52] thought that was noteworthy. considering
[32:54] uh department heads had to fit a 2.5%
[32:57] cost of living increase and a uh
[33:00] estimated 11% health insurance premium
[33:03] increase into their budget math. So,
[33:06] it's uh pretty good achievement. We had
[33:09] some departments such as the state's
[33:10] attorney actually came in notably lower
[33:13] than 2026 and we had several others that
[33:16] came in with budget increases of less
[33:18] than 4%.
[33:20] We did have five budgets that are
[33:23] currently uh provisionally adopted at 5%
[33:27] or more higher than 2026.
[33:30] And I only bring these up because I know
[33:32] there are some commissioners that would
[33:33] still uh like to consider additional
[33:36] cuts. But so as of right now, the five
[33:39] budgets we have that are proposed to be
[33:42] 5% or more higher are government
[33:45] buildings, which is 57,000 higher, 24%
[33:49] increase. Judicial system is 90,000
[33:52] higher, which is a 16% increase, and I
[33:55] think that's a reflection of the
[33:56] courtappointed attorney bills we're
[33:57] seeing every month. Road and bridge is
[34:01] 321,000 higher, which is a 5.8%
[34:05] increase. Ambulance is 82,800
[34:09] higher, a 5.7% increase. And data is
[34:13] currently uh 10,000 higher, which would
[34:16] be a 5% increase. Other thing I would
[34:19] note is uh cash applied, which is, you
[34:22] know, unspent 2026 that we earmark for
[34:26] the coming year budget. Right now, as uh
[34:29] the last I heard from Patty, that is 2.3
[34:32] million. And I just want to note that
[34:34] would be the lowest amount of cash
[34:36] applied in a Yankton County budget in
[34:39] the last eight years and 1.1 million
[34:42] less than last year. All other cash
[34:44] applied amounts over that time exceeded
[34:46] 3 million. Just wanted to share those
[34:49] thoughts and appreciate the time. Thank
[34:50] you.
[34:51] » Yeah, Brian, I got a question for you.
[34:53] you know, with the IT data, I think we
[34:55] all agree we got to we got to make some
[34:58] upgrades and anything, but from what I'm
[35:01] seeing, you know, is that budget u it's
[35:04] over 200 or between 200 and 300,000 and
[35:07] not all that long ago. I think it was
[35:09] less than 50. And I just think that's
[35:12] something that we have as commissioners
[35:13] have to keep an eye on. I know I know
[35:15] it's important, but it's like the roads
[35:18] and bridges. You don't get there in one
[35:20] year. It takes time. So, we really need
[35:23] to pay attention to that budget and how
[35:26] fast it's increasing. I think when Craig
[35:28] Miller did it, it was 42,000 and now
[35:30] we're are we 250,000 and
[35:33] » The budget for this year is 190,000, but
[35:36] we're going to go well over that.
[35:38] » And u next year he's currently got it at
[35:41] 200.
[35:41] » Yeah. And I guess uh
[35:43] » And that's just an estimate I put in
[35:44] there.
[35:45] » Yeah.
[35:45] » But he mentioned that figure, didn't he?
[35:47] » Yeah. Yeah.
[35:49] » Thank you.
[35:50] » Thanks, Brian. appreciate you doing
[35:52] that.
[36:00] » Where do we want to start, Mr. Chairman?
[36:03] » Well, I think we left our last meeting
[36:06] at looking at um the highway department
[36:10] budget and then also
[36:13] which other one was it that we were
[36:15] still going to look at for sure.
[36:17] » Well, I think we should This is an easy
[36:20] one. We should skip to the buildings
[36:24] uh whatever it's called the government
[36:27] center and the safety center building
[36:30] projections. The
[36:33] supervisor has put in his budget 12,380
[36:37] for the veterans memorial
[36:40] revitalization.
[36:42] Uh, apparently he's already done that
[36:45] this year to the tune of $14,000
[36:48] because he had excess money. So, we need
[36:50] to take that 12,380
[36:53] out of his budget. We also need to uh
[36:57] figure out he has put projected costs
[37:00] for addressing the multiple safety
[37:03] issues with the c crumbling concrete
[37:06] walkways at the government center. I
[37:08] would like to know where those are
[37:09] because I'm at the government center
[37:11] three days a week and I don't see it.
[37:14] » There is one spot right over here on the
[37:16] sidewalk.
[37:17] » Okay.
[37:18] » And this over here, this entrance over
[37:20] here that the
[37:21] » The lip
[37:22] » It's on.
[37:23] » Okay.
[37:25] And plus, uh, the renovation to this
[37:29] should go into that the, um, county
[37:32] building fund, not not the safety center
[37:36] or the
[37:37] » Well, it's in the government center
[37:39] safety center budget. But it they're
[37:42] going to do stuff to the to buildings or
[37:45] any kind of um
[37:49] um anything you do to the buildings will
[37:51] come out of that two. It's a special
[37:53] fund that that we levy for. I I get
[37:56] that. What I'm saying is he's already
[37:58] spent 14,000. We can take 12,000 out of
[38:02] next year's budget because he did it
[38:04] already.
[38:06] That should be an easy $12,000 cut.
[38:12] out of I didn't print
[38:16] » And his pages aren't numbered. So
[38:22] » I mean
[38:22] » Coming out of the out of the government
[38:24] centers.
[38:25] » I I agree with what everything Wanda is
[38:28] saying. I would also say though the jail
[38:30] and this building are also 20 years old
[38:33] and um we had a $120,000 chiller go out
[38:37] unexpectedly two years ago.
[38:41] » I think we've replaced
[38:43] a couple water heaters over at the jail
[38:45] that were
[38:47] » Eight or 12,000 each.
[38:49] » I don't know. He's already got roof
[38:52] repair, duct cleaning,
[38:54] » Um, and
[38:56] » Updating those things in his budget.
[38:58] These are other things that he just
[39:01] » Randomly sought is seeking approval for
[39:04] that he can
[39:06] » Spend money on.
[39:07] » Gary, did you review this with with him?
[39:10] Um, and is there justification we're not
[39:12] seeing for the increase or you know? No,
[39:15] I think I think you're right that yeah,
[39:17] the plan was to do it next year and then
[39:20] there's
[39:21] » A lot of complaints. So So did this
[39:24] year.
[39:26] » I'm I'm fine with taking the 12,000.
[39:28] » Where where is that at? On which line
[39:30] item?
[39:32] » It's in his book,
[39:34] » But where?
[39:35] » I guess I don't know where he hides it
[39:38] in there.
[39:40] I would guess it would be under repairs
[39:43] and maintenance maybe.
[39:46] » And plus anyway, that shouldn't come out
[39:48] of his budget.
[39:52] » I mean, it should be somewhere else.
[39:53] » Yeah, it's out of that um
[39:57] » Well, it should be out of his and then
[39:58] what you're saying is
[39:59] » It's out of the guilt.
[40:01] » It will be taken out of that government
[40:02] building
[40:03] » And then it should be taken out of
[40:05] wherever else it is because he's already
[40:07] done it. See, and I and I put that in
[40:10] there because that's what you guys have
[40:12] been putting in there is 90,000. So
[40:15] that's what I did. Now you can change
[40:17] that or lower that by that or
[40:19] » If that's a separate levy, I would I
[40:22] think that maybe we just keep it as it
[40:24] is
[40:26] whether rather than reduce it
[40:29] and that's because that that's something
[40:32] that the citizens approved to go to
[40:34] build. I mean it to me then that we only
[40:37] take more out of the general fund when
[40:39] stuff pops up. But that's my thought. So
[40:47] but I agree with you Wanda on uh um the
[40:51] other points you made.
[41:01] So what what do we actually draw then
[41:04] for the levy if it if that if that fund
[41:07] is
[41:08] » Is levied it's not $90,000 that we get
[41:11] in taxes.
[41:12] » Yes.
[41:13] » That's the exact number that we get.
[41:15] » So by us reducing
[41:17] » When you get
[41:18] » So your levy is adjusted
[41:20] » Rounding it's usually about 30 or
[41:23] » Okay
[41:24] » 27 or something. So, I mean, if we
[41:26] reduced that and then had another bill,
[41:29] then all we're going to do is take more
[41:30] out of the general fund.
[41:31] » Yes.
[41:32] » So, I that's why I wouldn't touch that
[41:34] one.
[41:40] » Um, judicial system, I don't think I I
[41:44] get I don't like it's higher, but that's
[41:46] something we have no control over. And
[41:48] is that the one we go over on almost
[41:51] every year, Patty and Yes. and Tyler? I
[41:53] mean, so it's how many murders are we
[41:56] going to have this year? How many
[41:57] trials? None of us know. It's our best
[41:59] guess and we go as low as we can and we
[42:01] usually go higher than that. So I I
[42:04] don't think as much as I don't like
[42:06] that, I don't think there's anything we
[42:07] can do about it.
[42:09] » And that's
[42:10] » For for roads and bridges. I mean, that
[42:12] maybe is the one area unfortunately that
[42:15] we do have control over. And
[42:19] » 130
[42:19] » Our our CPI and growth is is at 3.4. 4.
[42:23] Is that correct
[42:24] » On the first page?
[42:25] » 3.4.
[42:26] » 3.4. Maybe that's what we do with our
[42:29] road and bridge. Instead of a 5.8%
[42:32] increase, we allow it to increase by
[42:34] every other budget to 3.4.
[42:42] You know, it
[42:44] at least then it's it's going up the
[42:47] same rate as taxes instead of exceeding
[42:49] that. I don't know. What do you think?
[42:52] » Thank you. My thought would be that if
[42:53] you do that, maybe you could say that if
[42:56] the levy is successful, we could restore
[42:58] it.
[42:58] » Yeah, I think that's a great example
[43:00] because
[43:01] » You think we could drop,000.
[43:02] » We did last night have people
[43:05] » At the meeting say that
[43:07] » We should just start abandoning roads
[43:09] and if that's what people want,
[43:11] » You know,
[43:12] » Then
[43:13] » Well, if they don't want to pay for
[43:14] them, we're not going to have a lot of
[43:15] options.
[43:16] » Yeah. Exactly. is we we can't and we all
[43:20] something we all need to realize is we
[43:22] can't keep subsidizing the road and
[43:25] bridge funding at the level we have been
[43:29] um it's not sustainable. And so what
[43:31] would that be if we did we did a does
[43:34] anybody have that number? We did a 3.4%
[43:37] increase on road and bridge instead of
[43:39] the 5.8. what that would be.
[43:48] I guess that would be my proposal. Then
[43:50] instead of it increasing at 5.8,
[43:54] we just do it at the rate that
[43:56] everything else is going to 3.4 and that
[43:58] would that would be another $100,000 in
[44:01] savings. And
[44:04] yes,
[44:04] » Would you what line item do you want to
[44:06] take it out of then?
[44:08] What would you recommend, Betty?
[44:10] » I I think that
[44:13] » I don't know that she's recommending
[44:14] anything.
[44:16] » I you know that's a mic. I mean
[44:19] » Maybe I mean maybe annual projects.
[44:21] That's one of the bigger ones or
[44:31] because I mean we're all in greens,
[44:33] right? We we can't keep transferring
[44:37] large amounts of money from the general
[44:39] fund to the IRA. It's unsustainable.
[44:41] It's not going to happen. Um what we can
[44:44] probably do is have that budget grow at
[44:48] the same rate as our taxes grow.
[44:52] That that's probably sustainable. I mean
[45:04] » I'd say yeah I would say
[45:06] » 100,000 about right
[45:07] » About 120
[45:08] » 120.8
[45:15] » And and yeah maybe if if
[45:17] » 5.8 eight to what
[45:19] » If you instead of increasing the
[45:21] » Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But so it'
[45:23] be
[45:23] » Think about 120 of that 3.
[45:26] » So it' be 5742 somewhere in that I'm
[45:28] assuming
[45:30] » And and yeah, maybe maybe that's
[45:32] something we want we want to do is and
[45:34] if the road and bridge levy passes, we
[45:36] can restore that. But the feedback at
[45:39] least we're getting from some people is
[45:41] they they don't want to put money into
[45:43] » I don't think we can restore that. I
[45:45] think we have to according to the
[45:48] resolution. We have to pick a project
[45:51] and go with it.
[45:52] » I
[45:53] » Not just go, "Oh, let's throw it in the
[45:55] » Highway." But
[45:58] » Was everybody
[45:58] » I think I think we I visited with Mike
[46:01] some and I think we can do that.
[46:03] » Okay.
[46:03] » Um you know, we're just going to have to
[46:06] » Going to have to watch when the when all
[46:08] the bills come in for the Stone Church
[46:10] bridge.
[46:10] » Yeah.
[46:11] » Because they got to be paid, too. So,
[46:12] and and that's coming out of this number
[46:14] » And and you know, maybe we we'd look at
[46:19] I mean, is it possible to pause pause
[46:22] some construction on that bridge for a
[46:25] while? I mean, I hate to do that, but
[46:27] Okay,
[46:28] » But I that's where I'd like to see. And
[46:30] if we could get the general direction of
[46:32] the road and bridge, we're going to hold
[46:34] hold that to the 3.4%
[46:38] increase. Um, I think I could go with
[46:41] that. move on. And if Patty's clear on
[46:44] what and you're fine with that, Don and
[46:46] Wanda.
[46:49] » Oh, Commissioner Heiny is here.
[46:51] » I don't know if it it solves our
[46:52] problem.
[46:53] » No, it it solves it, but it kind of
[46:55] stops stops the bleeding for right the
[46:59] moment.
[47:06] Patty, I think that's the direction that
[47:08] the commission would like to go is just
[47:11] hold the road and bridge at a 3.4%
[47:15] 3.4% increase as opposed to the 5.8.
[47:19] » So you you want that out of um annual
[47:21] projects then
[47:22] » I believe so 100 120 I think is what
[47:26] Brian said. 12
[47:52] To make an impact on the budget, there's
[47:55] really only two things we can do. Road
[47:57] and bridges
[47:58] » Or people.
[48:03] And we do people. We take away a lot of
[48:06] services and things that we're doing.
[48:07] But
[48:17] » So then Mike's budget will be 5,742
[48:21] 496.
[48:22] » Yep.
[48:26] Is that 5 million uh
[48:29] 742,000
[48:31] or 7
[48:33] » 5,742,496
[48:47] » Last night and um John Red Viva he said
[48:51] he said to just hold what we that we
[48:54] need an annual of 7 million. So, we're
[48:58] not anywhere near that, but that's I
[49:00] guess what we're going to that's why we
[49:02] did the road and bridge living. So,
[49:03] » 5,700 what?
[49:06] » 5742496.
[49:10] » Thank you. Mhm.
[49:13] » One bad [clears throat]
[49:15] » 266 250.
[49:18] The original was 266 259
[49:23] just
[49:26] Ryan and the thought process was um
[49:29] Brian presented us and I think on the
[49:31] yellow sheet we had some costs that were
[49:35] the highest and so you know we really
[49:38] can't do anything with the judicial
[49:40] system and our thought was just hold the
[49:42] road and bridge funding to the 3.4% 4%
[49:45] that we're getting for just to kind of
[49:46] stop uh stop transferring so much out of
[49:51] the general fund. So
[49:58] So where's the government building also?
[50:01] That was
[50:03] » The levy one or
[50:06] » No the the government buildings 57 111
[50:13] » Government buildings is
[50:16] » 137
[50:25] it's on that first page
[50:27] towards
[50:41] Ryan, did we get a final number on the
[50:43] uh it that you were thinking?
[50:45] » I haven't gotten the spreadsheet yet.
[50:48] » Oh, okay.
[50:49] » No, I haven't gotten
[50:51] » Around 200,000. Is that where we're
[50:53] thinking it? Around 200,000. No, it's
[50:55] going to be completely different because
[50:57] we got to we got to make adjustments
[50:58] across different departments because
[51:00] we're consolidating. So, there's monies
[51:02] that are going to come out of some
[51:03] budgets
[51:04] » And then that's going to be I think
[51:06] we're looking at almost 300,000 in the
[51:08] IT, but
[51:09] » Some of that's being transferred from
[51:11] one budget to the other because we're
[51:12] not going to have computer budgets.
[51:14] Computers are going to be paid for out
[51:16] of the IT budget
[51:17] » And so forth. So they can
[51:18] » So so the is is that so I understand the
[51:22] it budget is going to be 300 but that's
[51:24] also then reducing
[51:26] » So so what what is the overall do you
[51:30] have an idea what the I guess the
[51:31] increase is going to be you know because
[51:34] if we cut if we cut a 100,000 out of the
[51:37] other departments and they're not doing
[51:40] any more and this one is 300,000
[51:43] that's different than just being
[51:45] » I think what we had in provisional is
[51:48] 200,000 and it's going to be right
[51:50] roughly that's the net effect. It's not
[51:51] going to change. There's going to be no
[51:53] change.
[51:54] » The net effect is is going to be
[51:56] » 61
[51:57] » Little change.
[51:58] » It's just we're going to rearrange how
[51:59] that budgeting is done.
[52:02] » Hopefully then that's going to introduce
[52:04] us
[52:06] » Included together things like printer
[52:08] services and things like that so that we
[52:10] can start taking advantage of enterprise
[52:12] and try to cut the costs of it. Do you
[52:15] see that this budget is it gonna is it
[52:18] gonna kind of for lack of a better term
[52:20] balloon to 200 and then reduce or do you
[52:23] think it's going to be at that level
[52:25] just forever?
[52:26] » I think it might be
[52:29] it's probably going to be at that level
[52:30] for a while. Um because we have a lot of
[52:33] other uh modernization projects that we
[52:35] got to get done too.
[52:38] So,
[52:39] » But the good thing is is I think we're
[52:41] going to get to that where we're going
[52:42] to have it stabilized and we're going to
[52:44] have much better security.
[52:46] » So,
[52:47] » With the improvements that we're going
[52:48] to make in technology, are we going to
[52:49] be able to provide
[52:53] the public with access of our meetings?
[52:58] » Access to our meetings.
[53:00] » Pardon? Um I think what he's saying is
[53:03] there's
[53:03] » People complain they don't they try to
[53:05] come in and they they can't get into the
[53:07] meeting.
[53:09] » They can't get into this meeting.
[53:10] » You mean electronic
[53:12] » Electronically
[53:13] » Meeting last night wasn't even wasn't
[53:15] even recorded. I mean it or not last
[53:18] night Tuesday night Tuesday night's
[53:19] meeting
[53:19] » Was not even our
[53:20] » Tuesday night meeting was not even
[53:22] recorded.
[53:23] » That's because we had a bunch of network
[53:24] changes here and the camera did not get
[53:27] to the right. Is that resolved then with
[53:29] this?
[53:30] » We hope it's resolved. Yes, it should be
[53:31] resolved, right?
[53:32] » Yeah.
[53:33] » Today.
[53:34] » Yes, exactly.
[53:34] » I think Alissa part of those firewall
[53:36] projects that we've had to update all of
[53:38] our firewalls.
[53:39] » Alyssa, it fixed it yesterday.
[53:46] » 253.
[53:47] » We've had trouble with it for I think as
[53:49] long as I've been
[53:51] » Since it's been very good until just
[53:55] recently when we had all the networking
[53:58] So it's just a little bit of a
[53:59] » Picking up what you're laying down.
[54:01] » When you when you do changes to a
[54:03] network that are that deep that's here,
[54:06] » Which we are doing for security reasons,
[54:09] » We are you are going to have hiccups and
[54:12] that it's a hiccup
[54:13] » Does get fixed.
[54:14] » I believe I think so.
[54:15] » Did you get the hiccups of the jail?
[54:17] » This this is more for bigger projects
[54:22] » On our next scrum. If a building's car
[54:25] cameras need to you know
[54:28] » That kind of stuff
[54:29] » Does this situation
[54:31] » Every year whatever policy IP right so
[54:36] » Not budget
[54:38] » And it makes it more difficult the
[54:40] cameras are not under our control
[54:42] » If we don't use this 19 this year
[54:47] it's not like we have that configuration
[54:50] » That would be so we can
[54:53] That's good because [laughter]
[54:56] » It's a slow it's a coordination between
[55:01] » Different companies too.
[55:03] » Goes out we can push that test.
[55:05] » I get it.
[55:06] » But if goes out this isn't going to make
[55:08] a hell beans difference.
[55:09] » No.
[55:12] » Oh we cut down to 10
[55:18] » Three. So, so far what we've done is
[55:21] just to take uh 100,000 out of projects
[55:24] for uh road.
[55:27] » Excuse me.
[55:27] » That's the only thing we've done so far.
[55:37] » And I would I would propose that we
[55:39] reduce
[55:41] the
[55:43] government cent's repairs and
[55:44] maintenance by $15,000.
[55:48] at 253 right now. Take it down to 103.
[55:56] » That's from that.
[55:59] » So, so, so we have the 90.
[56:02] » Mhm.
[56:02] » Yeah.
[56:03] » Through the levy. Yeah.
[56:05] » If we don't use any of that or don't use
[56:08] at all, I should say. Yeah.
[56:09] » That's for building. That's for
[56:10] maintenance and repairs also.
[56:12] » In my opinion, we should be using every
[56:14] penny of that 90. I I don't disagree
[56:16] with you
[56:17] » At all. But at the same token,
[56:19] » Then we don't need I don't think we need
[56:21] 253 on top of that.
[56:24] » Well, the the only thing I would say in
[56:26] the past in the past few years
[56:29] » On the government buildings
[56:32] » 161
[56:33] » 161.
[56:33] » We've had some big items. You know, this
[56:36] these buildings are 20 years old. The
[56:38] cooler, the water heaters. We need roof
[56:41] repairs. Um, I guess I I understand.
[56:47] Um, understand, but we also got to fix
[56:50] the buildings, too.
[56:51] » Absolutely.
[56:52] » He's also budgeting for random things
[56:57] where some concrete guy is going to come
[56:59] and tell him how much it's going to
[57:00] cost. I think it should be a little more
[57:03] more of a firm estimate than that.
[57:06] Here's 50,000 for new concrete.
[57:09] So reduce it by 10
[57:11] » By 15. So it'd be 10,300
[57:16] instead of instead of 25 300.
[57:25] » I don't know. How about how about we
[57:26] reduce it by 10, call it good? Because I
[57:29] I just I hate to be in the position
[57:31] where we have something major
[57:35] break and we don't have the funds to
[57:37] don't
[57:38] » Transfer it out of the U we then we
[57:41] transfer it out of the
[57:43] » Patty. Don't we have a fund for
[57:45] » How have we been doing on that
[57:48] » Purchase of chillers and things?
[57:50] » Okay. It used to be It used to be like
[57:54] » Well, I guess what I'm saying is
[57:55] » We had a bump.
[57:56] » I guess what I'm saying is we have the
[57:58] 90. If we don't spend the 90, if we
[58:00] spend 87,
[58:02] » We're going to then next year we're
[58:03] going to have 93.
[58:05] If we spend 60 for some reason this
[58:08] year, next year we're going to have 120.
[58:12] I mean, for 28
[58:15] 120,
[58:16] » I guess. And
[58:19] » Granted, if if you know another chiller
[58:21] goes out or whatever, then yes, we'll
[58:24] » But $25,000 is not going to make or
[58:27] 15,000 is not going to make a difference
[58:28] on a chiller
[58:30] » Or anything major going on.
[58:31] » I agree. I think we can go down.
[58:34] » What's our emergency bond? Is that still
[58:36] 400,000?
[58:37] » 500. This contingency is 500.
[58:39] » Contingency is 500. I think can go along
[58:42] with that.
[58:45] She going to take it to 10.
[58:47] » Yes.
[58:59] Okay.
[59:03] » What else we got?
[59:08] » Is there any I know the ambulance.
[59:09] » You got it. You You have to keep that in
[59:11] there.
[59:13] utility. Okay.
[59:15] » The ambulance did a good job of doing
[59:17] some reductions. Do we want to try to
[59:19] get that down to the 3.4% like the other
[59:22] ones?
[59:34] » How much more would that if we went from
[59:36] 57 on the ambulance to 34?
[59:39] » Anybody got calcul? Brian's got all the
[59:42] numbers.
[59:43] » I didn't bring my phone, so I'm going to
[59:44] have to borrow cash and see.
[59:45] » Okay. I don't think it'd be very much,
[59:48] but
[59:50] you know, I just if if they're at least
[59:53] growing at the same rate that taxes are,
[59:56] I don't think it's a big it's not a huge
[59:59] deal. Um, if they're growing at a higher
[1:00:02] rate, then that's that's where it gets
[1:00:04] problematic. And we all know things go
[1:00:07] up and we got to do increases. That's
[1:00:11] I think they cut Did they cut machinery
[1:00:13] and auto equipment? I think we reduced
[1:00:15] that by something.
[1:00:16] » We um cut um
[1:00:21] supplies by 10.
[1:00:23] » Did we? Okay.
[1:00:25] » And machinery and auto equipment. Um you
[1:00:28] went down to 39,000
[1:00:31] instead of 59. What what about just
[1:00:33] doing instead of 59 just do wipe that
[1:00:37] out and you know go to
[1:00:41] because we don't do that with any of the
[1:00:44] other departments you know we used to do
[1:00:46] that county accumulation with uh I think
[1:00:50] we did it with the highway and we did it
[1:00:51] with emergency management when the
[1:00:53] ambulance and we stopped it with all of
[1:00:55] those
[1:00:58] maybe we just you know continued because
[1:01:00] that's how we were doing So
[1:01:04] the sheriff's budget, what he does is he
[1:01:07] » Includes the new vehicles in his budget
[1:01:10] just like just like the highway
[1:01:11] department does the trucks and
[1:01:14] » Equipment. [clears throat]
[1:01:16] » Yeah. And if it's maybe that's that I
[1:01:18] think would would be better for planning
[1:01:20] purposes. Hey, we need a new ambulance
[1:01:23] this year. And so I've asked for an
[1:01:25] increase because we're going to do that
[1:01:28] this year. And
[1:01:30] as opposed
[1:01:33] [clears throat]
[1:01:36] » I don't care. Let me come up and come.
[1:01:37] » Certainly. That's why we're here and
[1:01:39] it's and it's open.
[1:01:49] Nancy, when Annie is speaking as an
[1:01:50] individual, not a representative Yankton
[1:01:52] Thrive, but it's difficult when I've sat
[1:01:55] through enough county commission
[1:01:57] meetings to hear the ambulance be
[1:01:59] applauded at some meetings for saving up
[1:02:03] the money they needed when they need to
[1:02:05] purchase an ambulance because it is so
[1:02:08] expensive that they can't put that in
[1:02:10] one singular budget year. And then to
[1:02:13] hear the comments of maybe we shouldn't
[1:02:15] be saving up for these large purchases
[1:02:17] in advance. So, I think sometimes
[1:02:20] there's a mixed message that is going
[1:02:22] out potentially to your department heads
[1:02:24] of how they should be saving for these
[1:02:27] large purchases that they know are going
[1:02:29] to be coming. And from listening to the
[1:02:33] presentations that have been public, it
[1:02:36] sounds like the ambulance is working to
[1:02:38] make the changes to create more revenue
[1:02:42] where some of your other departments do
[1:02:44] not have the opportunity to create
[1:02:46] revenue. So, this might be one of the
[1:02:48] departments that gets analyzed
[1:02:50] differently, but that's just from
[1:02:52] someone who's listening and not seeing
[1:02:54] the actual numbers.
[1:02:58] » That's 30.
[1:03:01] » So, what if we do just 30?
[1:03:03] » Well, you know, and I and I want to um
[1:03:07] remind you guys that,
[1:03:09] you know, next year it'll probably be
[1:03:12] things will maybe go up. So you either
[1:03:15] cut it by this
[1:03:17] » 9,000 here, 8,000 there, and then at the
[1:03:20] end come the end of next year, you're
[1:03:23] going to have to supplement that. But
[1:03:25] but this number right here is basically
[1:03:28] almost like a contingency also for the
[1:03:30] ambulance.
[1:03:32] It is it he wants to put this into
[1:03:35] future purchases or a savings account
[1:03:37] kind of basically for
[1:03:38] » Yeah. And you can do that cuz if they
[1:03:40] don't spend that budget, it it stays in
[1:03:43] the general fund.
[1:03:44] » But so
[1:03:47] » Yeah, it's I mean it's it's ultimately
[1:03:50] » I wouldn't have issue but I wouldn't
[1:03:51] have an issue taking it to 30 instead of
[1:03:53] 39.
[1:03:56] » I don't know if that's enough to get it
[1:03:58] to 3.4.
[1:03:59] » Well, and the reason I say I think with
[1:04:01] with major purchases, the commission's
[1:04:03] done a really good job. Um all our
[1:04:05] ambulances are in really good shape. we
[1:04:07] just replace the the oldest one and we
[1:04:11] do we do run two most of the time and we
[1:04:14] have four. So if there was an issue with
[1:04:18] with one I know it's not ideal but I
[1:04:20] think we we'd be okay. Um, and like I
[1:04:24] said, I I think it would push more for
[1:04:27] planning purposes if hey, we got one, we
[1:04:29] got a plate. Let's let's plan for it.
[1:04:32] Let's budget it for that year rather
[1:04:34] than Well, I mean, you guys know how it
[1:04:36] is. If you got the money, you're going
[1:04:39] to spend the money whether you need it
[1:04:41] or or or not. Um,
[1:04:45] I mean, that's how government is. And
[1:04:47] » The reason we updated got to upgrade to
[1:04:49] the new the new ambulance was because we
[1:04:50] had $700,000 in a fund for the
[1:04:53] » No, I we didn't have that much.
[1:04:56] » What was that?
[1:04:56] » They had spent they had spent it down.
[1:04:58] » But what was it? Because we only had to
[1:05:00] pay 50,000 extra for the ambulance or 60
[1:05:03] or whatever the magic number was. We had
[1:05:06] » Well the
[1:05:06] » 80 to 90% of the new ambulance was was
[1:05:09] saved for
[1:05:09] » Well I mean and I guess if it's a phil
[1:05:11] philosophical view then we should be
[1:05:15] doing this with the highway department.
[1:05:17] We should be doing it with the sheriff.
[1:05:19] » I said three and a half years ago that
[1:05:21] we should we should have capital
[1:05:22] expenditure fund.
[1:05:23] » I don't disagree with you and that's the
[1:05:26] right way to do it. We don't have the
[1:05:28] money to do it though. That's that's the
[1:05:29] that's the problem. I mean, if we had
[1:05:31] the funding to do it that yeah, we
[1:05:35] should be replacing our road graders and
[1:05:37] our trucks. And you're you're 100%
[1:05:39] right, John. We don't have the money to
[1:05:41] do it if that's the right way to do it,
[1:05:44] but
[1:05:48] this is going towards they they want to
[1:05:50] save that money.
[1:05:52] » However, it doesn't go into any special
[1:05:54] account goes into general fund and it
[1:05:57] just stays in general fund, right?
[1:06:01] Yes.
[1:06:01] » So it's not like it's going into a
[1:06:02] special account. It just goes into
[1:06:04] general funding. So the only So you can
[1:06:06] sit here and say, "Oh, we'll cut this
[1:06:08] budget and make yourselves feel good
[1:06:10] » Or we just do not approve the spend the
[1:06:13] spending of that." So budget is one
[1:06:16] thing.
[1:06:17] Spending is a whole another thing and
[1:06:19] that's comes next year. And we have to
[1:06:22] be much more mindful of what we're doing
[1:06:24] with our budget as we're spending it as
[1:06:26] we're doing it this year. So every time
[1:06:28] they come up and they they really need
[1:06:30] to show a strong return on investment on
[1:06:33] any type of investment like that. So
[1:06:36] » I get I get what you're saying, but I
[1:06:38] think there's also value in you know
[1:06:41] like government buildings and the roads
[1:06:42] and we're we're saying that taxes are
[1:06:45] going up 3.4%.
[1:06:48] And holding all departments
[1:06:51] holding the line on that or as close as
[1:06:54] we can get. I think that's important,
[1:06:56] too, because we're doing that with the
[1:06:58] highway funding. We're doing that with
[1:07:00] government buildings, but then we're not
[1:07:02] doing it with this one. I should I think
[1:07:04] we just need to realize that if if we're
[1:07:07] not staying really close to the 3.4%,
[1:07:11] uh it's not really fair to the other
[1:07:12] departments because every department
[1:07:15] has, you know, they have needs and
[1:07:18] almost everybody is well under what they
[1:07:21] were last year except for these few
[1:07:23] here.
[1:07:25] What' you come up with for a number,
[1:07:26] Brian?
[1:07:29] » Just real quick. So, if you were to
[1:07:31] reduce the uh ambulance increase from a
[1:07:34] 5.7% increase to a 3.4%, that'd be a net
[1:07:38] savings of about 30,000, you'd be
[1:07:41] increasing it 52,000 instead of 82,000.
[1:07:44] And then as far as the uh road and
[1:07:46] bridge, if you were to lower that
[1:07:49] increase from 5.8 to 3.4, for that would
[1:07:52] be a net savings of 134,000.
[1:07:56] » So I I I think the ambulance can take a
[1:07:59] $30,000 trim
[1:08:02] and then they'd be at the 3.4 like
[1:08:04] everybody else and we just move on.
[1:08:08] That's treat all treat everybody fairly.
[1:08:10] » So change that to 9,000 and I'm fine
[1:08:13] with that and we can move on.
[1:08:32] So, we've got um
[1:08:34] government buildings changed, highway
[1:08:36] change, ambulance change.
[1:08:40] » Where are we at on the safety center
[1:08:42] building?
[1:08:44] You can pull that one up.
[1:08:45] » 392.
[1:08:52] » Sure. Sure.
[1:08:56] But that's we got to use some of this
[1:08:59] for this building too, right?
[1:09:00] » Yep. You can use Yep.
[1:09:04] » 44.
[1:09:22] So, what if we get past 44 there? What
[1:09:24] if we took um
[1:09:27] » Okay,
[1:09:34] » We already took 15 off this this
[1:09:37] building, right?
[1:09:41] » You got your calculator handy now?
[1:09:46] » Got one more for you.
[1:09:47] » Sure.
[1:09:49] government and safety buildings is that
[1:09:51] 24.
[1:09:52] What do we have to get where that's
[1:09:55] where what do we have to cut to get that
[1:09:56] down to 3.4?
[1:09:59] We're not going to get there, I'm sure,
[1:10:00] but
[1:10:02] that I would say that [clears throat] if
[1:10:05] you enact just the three cuts you're
[1:10:07] talking about this morning, we're
[1:10:08] actually going to come in at a lower
[1:10:09] budget for 27 than we have in 26 just
[1:10:12] for the
[1:10:13] » Yeah, it's good.
[1:10:38] change
[1:10:41] » General budgets affect our general
[1:10:46] transfer that
[1:10:48] » No because they're still going to get
[1:10:49] the same
[1:10:49] » I like that hat
[1:10:55] » You made it
[1:10:56] So
[1:10:58] the general budget
[1:11:01] you're a patriot
[1:11:11] » This will all stay the same.
[1:11:13] » All stay the same.
[1:11:15] All of this was dancing because that's
[1:11:17] you know
[1:11:29] » They got
[1:11:34] things.
[1:11:43] what else we got. I think we made some
[1:11:45] good changes. I'm happy with Is there
[1:11:47] anything else we wanted to do or
[1:11:49] » Well, I'd like to know uh bottom line is
[1:11:52] where we're at.
[1:11:54] » Where we're at is we are still going to
[1:11:56] be according to
[1:11:58] » The bottom line is we're still going to
[1:12:00] be under or we're going to be drawing
[1:12:03] from uh the general
[1:12:06] » Um
[1:12:07] » How much?
[1:12:07] » There's no way around that.
[1:12:08] » Yeah, I
[1:12:09] » It'll be just a little over two million.
[1:12:11] a little over two million. Um we do
[1:12:15] there is I think from my from our
[1:12:19] previous discussions there's maybe about
[1:12:20] a million that we don't account for
[1:12:22] revenue. We don't account for it at all.
[1:12:24] So we might be uh drawing only only
[1:12:27] about a million which aligns with what
[1:12:29] the financial committee is showing us.
[1:12:31] And I and I think per Patty, correct me
[1:12:34] if I'm wrong, that's it's odd, but
[1:12:37] that's how government really works
[1:12:39] because we're going to have unspent
[1:12:41] funds and every year those roll over.
[1:12:44] Correct me if I'm wrong, Patty.
[1:12:46] » It just
[1:12:48] I think the big thing we need to avoid
[1:12:50] is dipping into our cash reserves by
[1:12:53] highway transfers, which has happened in
[1:12:55] the past. We can't do that anymore for
[1:12:58] what Jeff said. And I and it doesn't
[1:13:00] look like we're going to be doing that.
[1:13:02] Uh so I think we're
[1:13:05] » Well we'll still have to, you know,
[1:13:08] supplement the highway. Yeah.
[1:13:10] » There's no getting around that.
[1:13:11] » Yeah. We won't we won't be drawing down
[1:13:16] » The the reserve funds as much
[1:13:18] » As much.
[1:13:19] » Yeah. And
[1:13:22] » And you're correct too if budgets are
[1:13:24] not spent all the way that just
[1:13:26] » It it's [clears throat] already being I
[1:13:29] mean saying it's spent out of general
[1:13:31] but we won't really
[1:13:33] » Spend it so the expenditures won't go up
[1:13:36] or go you know they'll go down.
[1:13:38] » I you know in an ideal world we we would
[1:13:41] bring in $20 million of taxes and we'd
[1:13:44] spend less than that or at least that.
[1:13:47] In an ideal world, we'd bring in 20
[1:13:49] million and we'd spend 20 million and
[1:13:50] that's
[1:13:51] » Exactly but that's just not how that's
[1:13:53] just not how or less than that.
[1:13:56] » Exactly that because that's that's what
[1:13:58] tax people's money and that's and that's
[1:14:00] what we should only be taking what we
[1:14:02] need.
[1:14:02] » The real world is
[1:14:03] » But
[1:14:04] » When you don't have any more money in
[1:14:05] the bank, you don't pay nothing.
[1:14:08] » The real world is is if we if we keep
[1:14:11] going on the path that we were going on,
[1:14:13] eventually we have to make hard cuts.
[1:14:14] And the only place we can do those hard
[1:14:16] cuts is in the road and bridge. And
[1:14:18] which means that our entire road
[1:14:20] transportation system will have to be
[1:14:22] really scaled back. We'd have to tear up
[1:14:25] highways,
[1:14:26] » Get them down to gravel, get the
[1:14:27] maintenance down lower. People are not
[1:14:29] going to be happy with what happens. But
[1:14:31] it's what would have to happen under
[1:14:33] those budget constraints.
[1:14:35] » Everybody wants roads. Nobody wants to
[1:14:38] pay for them. And and I'm not saying
[1:14:41] going back to the roads, I'm not saying
[1:14:42] that we have to pave every road in
[1:14:45] Yankton County, but if there's a paved
[1:14:47] road now, it costs more money to tear it
[1:14:49] up and maintain it in the future than it
[1:14:52] does
[1:14:53] » Uh to fix fix what it is. And I think
[1:14:57] we've kind of proven that.
[1:14:58] » I think we Yeah. And what you're I
[1:15:00] believe what you're saying is preserve
[1:15:01] what we have to the best of our ability.
[1:15:04] » Yeah. Yes. I think that makes sense.
[1:15:06] » Go ahead, Brian. uh you had inquired
[1:15:08] about if we were to uh increase the
[1:15:10] government buildings budget by 3.4%
[1:15:13] instead of 24%.
[1:15:15] That would lower the increase from
[1:15:17] 57,000
[1:15:19] to 8,000. So that'd be a savings of
[1:15:22] 49,000.
[1:15:23] » 49
[1:15:29] » 15. We have 15.
[1:15:31] » This is going to be 15.
[1:15:33] » No, make that 24.
[1:15:36] So we got 35 off it total
[1:15:40] which is 10,000 10 short from what Brian
[1:15:44] calculated.
[1:15:47] So we take the building repair and
[1:15:50] maintenance at the safety center from 44
[1:15:52] to 24.
[1:15:56] » Daddy, did you say that uh you're kind
[1:15:58] of projecting that the general fund
[1:16:00] would be around 2.4 million at the end
[1:16:03] of the year? Yeah. Yes.
[1:16:08] And and it give you a kind of a rough
[1:16:11] idea, you know, but that, you know, that
[1:16:14] depends too on, you know, if everybody
[1:16:16] spends their budget
[1:16:17] » Or some, you know,
[1:16:19] » And and there's and it's hard to predict
[1:16:21] what the revenue is going to be from the
[1:16:24] jail and and I think you do a really
[1:16:25] good job of being conservative with that
[1:16:28] estimate and getting more revenue.
[1:16:31] That's what we want. We don't want to
[1:16:33] shoot for this star and then get a lot
[1:16:35] less revenue than we projected. That
[1:16:37] That's bad. So, I think we do it the
[1:16:39] right way.
[1:16:40] » Yeah. You don't never want to overstate
[1:16:42] your revenue.
[1:16:42] » Yeah.
[1:16:45] » Because that's not giving you an exact
[1:16:48] picture of of
[1:16:50] uh of the real revenue.
[1:16:53] » Yeah, Mr. Chair, I'm I guess as happy as
[1:16:56] I can be with the budget we have. I
[1:16:59] mean, I think we've made some really
[1:17:00] good solid difficult
[1:17:05] carryover at the end of uh last year,
[1:17:10] » Isn't there? Every year,
[1:17:14] » I think
[1:17:15] » Carryover at the end of last year was
[1:17:17] 5.1 million. I'm going to disagree a
[1:17:20] little bit. I on paper it might look
[1:17:23] like we're going to be at 2.4, four, but
[1:17:24] we're going to be right around that same
[1:17:27] area of 5.1 at [clears throat] the end
[1:17:29] of the year in my opinion.
[1:17:32] » Why?
[1:17:36] » Because uh based on through the first
[1:17:38] seven months of the year, not everybody
[1:17:39] is going to spend all of their budget
[1:17:41] and our revenue was estimated
[1:17:43] conservatively. So, we're going to end
[1:17:45] better than it looks on paper. And I
[1:17:47] would guess
[1:17:47] » What history has showed on on the last
[1:17:49] four or five years I've been dealing
[1:17:51] with. Well, those were uh skewed by the
[1:17:54] CO dollars, but if you look at 2015 to
[1:17:57] 2020 precoid dollars, our monthly
[1:18:00] balances are right in line with where
[1:18:02] they were in those years.
[1:18:03] » Taking what 15 20% inflation in back
[1:18:09] » Uh in those years,
[1:18:11] » Pardon me,
[1:18:11] » Are you using 10 or 15 20 maybe more?
[1:18:15] » Yeah.
[1:18:16] » Inflation in those figures.
[1:18:19] Well, the in fact the figures this year
[1:18:21] are running about four or 500,000 ahead
[1:18:24] per month of 2015 to 2020. So that would
[1:18:27] account for some of the inflation. That
[1:18:29] would maybe not all of it. I'm not sure
[1:18:31] what the exact inflation dollar to
[1:18:33] calculate would be figure, but uh I
[1:18:36] think we're going to be around 5
[1:18:38] million. As of right now, Patty has
[1:18:41] earmarked 2.3 of that for the uh cash
[1:18:45] applied, but we usually have more that
[1:18:48] is considered unassigned. And that I
[1:18:50] think that's going to be around 2.8,
[1:18:52] which is what you want. You want to
[1:18:54] build up your reserves again. So,
[1:18:56] » I'd also like to know what accounts
[1:18:58] payable are at the end of the year.
[1:19:10] ready to get into the levy discussion or
[1:19:13] » We got hell of a lot less money than we
[1:19:15] had before. That's all I can tell you
[1:19:20] » And prices have gone up on everything.
[1:19:23] Yeah, but we we've made some pretty
[1:19:25] substantial cuts in the last couple
[1:19:28] years and I think you know to to our
[1:19:30] credit we've we've kind of stems and
[1:19:34] it's
[1:19:35] » We still need to pay attention and be
[1:19:38] » Well you can always if you guys want
[1:19:41] to have and if we can hold for a few
[1:19:45] years I think we're that's when doing
[1:19:47] fine and we're in a lot better position
[1:19:50] than other counties all forget
[1:19:53] last year gone home September 17th what
[1:19:56] three four people out of a total count
[1:20:00] you know almost 10% of their workforce
[1:20:02] they cut so
[1:20:03] » I mean we're not we're not there and
[1:20:05] they're just our neighbors so
[1:20:07] » Exploring
[1:20:09] when are we going to see the data with
[1:20:12] the changes that we made today
[1:20:14] » Really
[1:20:14] » In here so I can look at
[1:20:17] » Can we have them by Tuesday
[1:20:19] » What's that
[1:20:20] » Changes
[1:20:21] » Sure Yeah, Tuesday.
[1:20:23] » I'll have it ready. I already have it
[1:20:24] ready for
[1:20:25] » Okay. I didn't hear
[1:20:27] » I'll have you ready for it
[1:20:28] » Tuesday night for it ready for you.
[1:20:31] » Okay,
[1:20:36] good.
[1:20:38] » Okay,
[1:20:41] » Perfect.
[1:20:42] » Ryan, I added levy discussion to the
[1:20:45] agenda real quick and and to recap so
[1:20:48] we're all on the same page. Um Ryan and
[1:20:51] I am Amanda and Don were there. Um what
[1:20:53] I heard from not only constituents but
[1:20:56] Mr. Vra when he talked is he he really
[1:20:59] strongly encouraged a very transparent
[1:21:02] plan uh exactly where if the levy passes
[1:21:06] where the dollars are going to go and so
[1:21:09] I would just maybe want to get us uh
[1:21:13] close to where we agree we might not be
[1:21:15] 100%. And then I think we need to commit
[1:21:18] to the public that if the voting bridge
[1:21:20] levy passes, here is our plan and this
[1:21:24] is where the dollars are going to go.
[1:21:28] The problem with last night's discussion
[1:21:30] was
[1:21:31] » And [clears throat] they never went into
[1:21:33] why
[1:21:35] why
[1:21:36] » Yeah.
[1:21:36] » And and uh we've got maintenance, road
[1:21:40] maintenance for for years.
[1:21:42] » Yeah.
[1:21:42] » And uh why is that? Well, we've got
[1:21:47] some people would say Gary Moore would
[1:21:49] say we got programs that were stupid. I
[1:21:52] I wouldn't agree with that, but
[1:21:54] » Yeah.
[1:21:54] » Uh I think we got to know why.
[1:21:57] » Yeah, I I would agree. And I think the
[1:22:00] He did
[1:22:00] » We're just screwing roads and bridges is
[1:22:03] what we're doing here now.
[1:22:05] » Yeah. We don't have a choice, though. I
[1:22:06] mean, that's that's the if you don't
[1:22:08] have enough money to maintain roads and
[1:22:10] bridges, that's that's really the only
[1:22:12] area can't we can't cut court costs. We
[1:22:15] you know, so but I guess where I'm
[1:22:18] looking at wanted to get your guys'
[1:22:20] feedback.
[1:22:21] Um I think we need to commit a
[1:22:24] percentage of this, a pretty good
[1:22:26] percentage to Flees. This is my opinion
[1:22:29] and subject to what you think. pretty
[1:22:32] good percentage to the uh Fleeks B
[1:22:35] bridge project which we just got a grant
[1:22:37] and maybe commit to other highway
[1:22:40] projects but I think we need to discuss
[1:22:42] this decide it and then put something on
[1:22:46] the next meeting and commit to it before
[1:22:49] the voting starts so uh people know
[1:22:53] where their dollars are going to go. I
[1:22:54] think just for clarification to the
[1:22:56] public is is the road and bridge uh
[1:22:59] costs on the stone gone
[1:23:04] » Sewn church bridge
[1:23:05] » In here
[1:23:09] » The projects um and uh
[1:23:12] » And unfortunately that's the thing is
[1:23:14] the because of that coming out of the
[1:23:16] projects Mike has pushed off other
[1:23:18] things that were outside your plan
[1:23:19] » Y
[1:23:20] » That are not going to be done
[1:23:22] » Yep
[1:23:22] » To pay for the stone church bridge
[1:23:24] This comes into the bigger problem. We
[1:23:27] have to we have to really assess our
[1:23:30] road system. Um as Greg said last night
[1:23:36] um
[1:23:38] we have 220 miles of paved road for the
[1:23:41] county of our size for the taxes that we
[1:23:43] bring in. That is a lot.
[1:23:47] We have we have a tax base that does not
[1:23:50] support the road system that we have.
[1:23:53] There's
[1:23:55] cases where we don't know if even these
[1:23:59] uh putting in hard paved roads are
[1:24:02] necessary because what are the traffic
[1:24:04] volumes and that's what we should be
[1:24:07] looking at is if the traffic volumes
[1:24:08] don't support a hard hard road then we
[1:24:10] need to like look at saying hey is why
[1:24:13] are we overspending on this road because
[1:24:16] the traffic volume is not there.
[1:24:19] » Same thing with bridges. We have to
[1:24:20] really evaluate whether these brid
[1:24:22] whether we have a lot of bridges too.
[1:24:24] It's like the transportation has changed
[1:24:27] from 50 years ago and we have to
[1:24:30] evaluate that
[1:24:32] » Because right now the system we have is
[1:24:36] not maintainable by the tax tax
[1:24:38] » The same the same way it was last year
[1:24:40] in the year
[1:24:41] » In year before and it's only gotten
[1:24:42] worse and worse.
[1:24:43] » We just redone it again three times now.
[1:24:47] » So
[1:24:47] » Maybe four. I think I think that's a
[1:24:50] really good conversation. In the P 2017,
[1:24:52] they had a road task force. 2019, they
[1:24:56] had a road task force. I think Don was
[1:24:57] on that. And maybe that's that's uh
[1:24:59] something that we plan for maybe uh this
[1:25:03] this winter with when we get new people
[1:25:05] on there and and we do a review of that.
[1:25:09] Um I think that's a great idea. And we
[1:25:11] do have traffic counters now. Mike has
[1:25:13] maybe that's something that we we get
[1:25:16] accurate things. I I agree with you
[1:25:17] 100%. Um, and as far as that, I think
[1:25:22] that's one of the future goals we look
[1:25:24] toward.
[1:25:26] » In our meeting meeting Tuesday night,
[1:25:29] if this is possible, I'd like to know
[1:25:32] how much revenue comes from rural
[1:25:35] assessed property and how much comes
[1:25:37] from
[1:25:38] » Town
[1:25:39] » Town town and country. because I think
[1:25:42] we need to let everybody know
[1:25:47] where where the funds are. Uh
[1:25:51] » They don't want to play with the Boys
[1:25:52] and Girls Club in the country and we
[1:25:55] don't want to pay for the roads and you
[1:25:57] know that's that's part of the problem.
[1:25:59] And then the other thing I' I'd like to
[1:26:01] I'd like to see is our tax rate compared
[1:26:06] to the other 49 states.
[1:26:11] We're one of the lowest
[1:26:13] » Or I think we're one of the
[1:26:15] » Property tax
[1:26:16] » And that the public needs to know that
[1:26:18] » For property tax South Dakota sits right
[1:26:20] in the middle of the 50 states.
[1:26:24] » But I think you got to take
[1:26:25] » Unlike our neighbor to the south,
[1:26:26] Nebraska is I think the one of the top
[1:26:28] five.
[1:26:29] » I think you got to take the total tax
[1:26:31] burden though because because some
[1:26:32] places uh where their property tax may
[1:26:36] be lower, they have income tax and
[1:26:37] everything else. So I think I think if
[1:26:39] you add it all in when we did that
[1:26:41] summer study I think we were like number
[1:26:43] according to Governor Rhoden we were
[1:26:44] like the second lowest
[1:26:47] » Overall tax overall tax burden. I was
[1:26:49] just talking about the property tax.
[1:26:51] » I get what you're saying
[1:26:52] » But I'd like to I'd like to have the
[1:26:55] public public know that
[1:26:57] we want everything done
[1:26:58] » That
[1:26:59] » We don't have enough funds to do it.
[1:27:01] John, that would presuppose that they
[1:27:03] listen to the meetings or attend the
[1:27:05] meetings and a lot of people don't. So,
[1:27:09] they just don't know. They just feel
[1:27:12] they're being taxed to death.
[1:27:14] » Yeah. Well, well, that's the case for
[1:27:16] her any tax. No one likes taxes.
[1:27:18] » Well, I I get that.
[1:27:20] » Someone who's happy about taxes.
[1:27:22] » I get that. But everybody wants roads.
[1:27:25] Everybody wants bridges. Everybody wants
[1:27:27] this. Everybody wants law enforcement.
[1:27:29] And it comes at a cost unfortunately.
[1:27:32] » We and I think we've done a a good job
[1:27:35] and I appreciate working with you guys.
[1:27:37] We have an obligation to spend every tax
[1:27:40] dollar wisely, which I think we've done
[1:27:42] a good job. Um, and appreciate, but we
[1:27:44] also have an obligation to let the
[1:27:47] public know what happens if we don't fix
[1:27:50] their infrastructure. Um, you know, what
[1:27:54] is that going to mean? I mean, we had
[1:27:55] people last night that, you know, wanted
[1:27:58] wanted more snow removal and more
[1:28:00] maintenance. Well, how are you going to
[1:28:01] get more snow removal and more
[1:28:04] maintenance with less dollars? I can't
[1:28:06] figure that out and I don't think we
[1:28:08] can. I mean, people demand services and
[1:28:11] » Well, we're going to learn that. lost
[1:28:13] that. [laughter]
[1:28:14] Um, but
[1:28:15] » Soon as soon as the
[1:28:17] » The commission changes,
[1:28:20] » The knowledge is coming in, it's going
[1:28:22] to we're going to know that.
[1:28:24] » I guess I guess where we're at
[1:28:26] » And you're smiling. You know what I'm
[1:28:27] saying?
[1:28:28] » I guess where we're at and what what I
[1:28:30] would like is some sort of direction. Do
[1:28:32] we want to commit that if if the road
[1:28:35] and bridge levy passes, we're going to
[1:28:37] put and I'll just throw out numbers
[1:28:38] here. 80% of it will go to the Flees
[1:28:41] bridge replacement.
[1:28:44] Um if we get awarded that grant, if if
[1:28:47] not, we're going to do we're going to
[1:28:49] dedicate it to road and bridge projects
[1:28:52] in Yankton County. We just need
[1:28:54] according to everything I've heard in
[1:28:56] the feedback, people want specifics on
[1:28:58] where the dollars are going to.
[1:28:59] » Well, I'm I'm I'm lary about the
[1:29:01] committing all the way in on Plagues
[1:29:03] Bridge. It's not entirely sure if that's
[1:29:05] even the widest in our infrastructure
[1:29:08] » Countywide.
[1:29:10] Um, but I do want to see like I do want
[1:29:13] to see at the least, you know, saying
[1:29:14] 10% 20% being put away for a for future
[1:29:18] road projects so that when we do get
[1:29:20] these grants, we're not scrambling for
[1:29:24] money um or behind the ball like we were
[1:29:26] with Stone Church bridge paying for
[1:29:29] paying for it with uh yeah,
[1:29:30] » Putting off projects that we had in our
[1:29:32] plan.
[1:29:33] » Yeah. Um, but we also I also want to see
[1:29:36] immediate ones too that where people can
[1:29:38] see that things that need to get done
[1:29:40] are getting done. Do
[1:29:42] » You have specific?
[1:29:42] » So, speaking speaking with Mike speaking
[1:29:45] with Mike uh a couple three weeks ago,
[1:29:48] he
[1:29:50] not necessarily a point so much money or
[1:29:52] so much percentage of it towards the
[1:29:54] Flees Bridge. Obviously, that's probably
[1:29:56] the next one that we'll get done, but he
[1:29:59] said, "Let's do it towards a gym river
[1:30:02] bridge project versus a specific
[1:30:05] bridge."
[1:30:05] » Okay, I could go along with that.
[1:30:07] » And and I don't think I'm kind of with
[1:30:09] Ryan. I don't think we need to throw a
[1:30:11] whole bunch of money in there. If it's
[1:30:13] 50% 40% to the Jim River Bridge project,
[1:30:17] then we have 50 or 60% that we need Mike
[1:30:21] to select road projects that he wants to
[1:30:24] see done. I know he wanted to do the uh
[1:30:26] resurface the the road south of
[1:30:29] Lesterville this year. Well, obviously
[1:30:30] we don't have the money to do that. Ear
[1:30:33] tag.
[1:30:34] » Yeah.
[1:30:34] » 50% of that money to resurface that
[1:30:37] road. Then you pick another have him
[1:30:39] pick another road specific.
[1:30:40] » Yeah. And that's where I wanted to say
[1:30:42] is like I think we need to do that
[1:30:44] because we need to gain the people's
[1:30:46] trust on that this levy is being used
[1:30:49] for their benefit.
[1:30:51] And you know, I know you really want the
[1:30:54] Fleek's Bridge done, but that's still
[1:30:56] going to be five years down the road
[1:30:58] even on the schedule. So, if we can show
[1:31:01] and build trust on this one, well, then
[1:31:03] maybe that's a that's a case to enact
[1:31:05] this levy again for a short very short
[1:31:07] term to to build that.
[1:31:10] » So, when that's closer to uh reality,
[1:31:13] » Do we want to put a percentage of it
[1:31:15] toward toward basically repayment of the
[1:31:18] Stone Church bridge, too? because you
[1:31:20] brought up a good point that we really
[1:31:22] did rob the whole highway fund to build
[1:31:25] that bridge and you know maybe backfill
[1:31:28] some of those projects that now are not
[1:31:30] going to be done because we had to do
[1:31:32] that.
[1:31:32] » Exactly what I was kind of referring to
[1:31:34] is is recovering from paying for the
[1:31:37] stone church bridge with some of these
[1:31:39] projects that were pushed off.
[1:31:41] So, so what I'm hearing is maybe not
[1:31:44] specific, but we're all in agreeance. Is
[1:31:46] this is going to be additional dedicated
[1:31:49] funding to roads and bridges? Is that
[1:31:51] what everybody's agreeing on? And did
[1:31:54] you want to work together, Ryan? And
[1:31:56] kind of maybe we could I don't know if
[1:31:57] we need to do a resolution or what if
[1:32:00] anybody's got some advice, but I'd want
[1:32:02] something somewhat official that we
[1:32:03] agree on like you said to get the trust
[1:32:06] of the people that these are going to go
[1:32:09] toward projects in the county.
[1:32:12] » Well, the other day when we talked to
[1:32:14] Mike and I and I says like I think we
[1:32:17] know what our budget is right now and he
[1:32:18] knows what he has a road plan based on
[1:32:21] what his budget is now. We have no
[1:32:23] certainty on this road in levy. So I
[1:32:26] was, you know, my direction to him or my
[1:32:28] advice to him is plan for not it not
[1:32:30] passing.
[1:32:30] » Yeah.
[1:32:31] » Because that's the worst case scenario.
[1:32:33] Um, but then if you have that money,
[1:32:37] like again, like I don't I don't know if
[1:32:40] we need a I don't know if we need a
[1:32:41] resolution or anything like that, but
[1:32:44] for him to make the plan of how that
[1:32:45] money is going to be distributed and
[1:32:47] present that plan because it's not we
[1:32:49] wouldn't be able to put that into effect
[1:32:51] till next year anyway.
[1:32:54] » Yeah.
[1:32:54] » Um, but we want to have that plan in
[1:32:56] front of us and it for the people who
[1:32:59] are going to make a decision on this
[1:33:00] road levy.
[1:33:01] » Yeah.
[1:33:02] » Uh, this year. So
[1:33:03] » Yeah,
[1:33:03] » I I think in connection with uh this
[1:33:06] budgeting process too, once we get what
[1:33:09] we want or what we're trying to get to,
[1:33:12] we need to work with the department
[1:33:15] heads and we need to implement
[1:33:19] uh some of that
[1:33:21] uh information that they're in that one
[1:33:23] task force is providing on how we
[1:33:26] monitor expenses.
[1:33:30] Well, I think that's what Brian has
[1:33:32] agreed to do is come in basically where
[1:33:35] and that's really going to help us um to
[1:33:37] know where we're at and
[1:33:38] » And that and that's kind of the
[1:33:40] direction with that clear gov a little
[1:33:42] bit and trying to trying to build better
[1:33:44] tools for our department heads and and
[1:33:47] us for
[1:33:48] » And the citizens
[1:33:49] » Keeping keeping track of
[1:33:51] » What our expenditures are through the
[1:33:54] year and so that we know that we're
[1:33:56] staying within budget or beating our
[1:33:58] budget which is Great. Because if we
[1:33:59] beat our budget, then that's Yep. That's
[1:34:03] going to be more carryover money.
[1:34:04] » Yep.
[1:34:06] Um,
[1:34:10] to your point, what you mentioned
[1:34:11] earlier, Mike is getting ready to
[1:34:13] present the
[1:34:14] » Five-year road and bridge plan and and
[1:34:17] did we I I thought we were
[1:34:19] » The direction to him was maybe have two
[1:34:21] plans, one with the levy, one without.
[1:34:24] Are you still on board with that?
[1:34:25] » Yeah. Yeah, exactly. That's what I was
[1:34:27] saying. like one without the levy and
[1:34:28] then here's the extra work with the
[1:34:30] levy.
[1:34:30] » And I I think that'd be a great example
[1:34:32] and maybe we push up the timeline when
[1:34:35] because we usually do the five-year plan
[1:34:38] midsepptember, October. Maybe we have
[1:34:40] them present that a little bit early so
[1:34:42] people can say here's your options and
[1:34:46] this is a yes vote, this is a no vote.
[1:34:48] And then they know what they're getting
[1:34:50] because [clears throat] there's going to
[1:34:50] be a big difference on what project get
[1:34:53] completed and what don't. And uh maybe
[1:34:57] that would even be better than a
[1:34:58] resolution is is is that. So
[1:35:01] » Yeah.
[1:35:02] » Okay. Would you be willing to, you know,
[1:35:05] speak with Mike and have him bump up
[1:35:07] that timeline? I' I'd really like if we
[1:35:09] could get the five-year plan, maybe that
[1:35:12] meeting in the first in in the we're
[1:35:14] really in the next couple weeks before
[1:35:16] when does early voting start, Patty?
[1:35:18] » September 18th.
[1:35:20] » September if we ideally around that time
[1:35:23] or before that. So before people go to
[1:35:25] the polls, they can clearly see this is
[1:35:29] the five-year plan with the road and
[1:35:32] bridge levy. This is not and it's your
[1:35:34] choice.
[1:35:36] » Well, I think he's already probably got
[1:35:38] the five-year plan done without it.
[1:35:41] » So we can
[1:35:46] have it together by the 17th of that.
[1:35:49] That's our commission meeting that
[1:35:50] night.
[1:35:50] I'll get a hold of him and I don't
[1:35:54] » Our probably your plan though changes
[1:35:56] every time we take budget away from the
[1:35:59] highway department.
[1:36:00] » Well, and
[1:36:00] » But this the plan with can change.
[1:36:03] » Yeah. Yeah.
[1:36:04] » I mean,
[1:36:05] » Yeah,
[1:36:06] » That sounds good for the youth. We we're
[1:36:09] all on all on the same page, it looks
[1:36:10] like then. So, and maybe just at the
[1:36:13] next meeting we just say, hey, you know,
[1:36:16] we're working on the five-year plan.
[1:36:17] We're committing to spending this
[1:36:19] additional dollars going to you the
[1:36:22] citizens roads and bridges five-year
[1:36:24] plan is coming out and because because
[1:36:26] there's still for some reason I you know
[1:36:28] people think that we're not somehow road
[1:36:31] and bridge funding isn't going to go to
[1:36:32] road and bridges but that's our our duty
[1:36:36] is to say yes it is. So
[1:36:38] » And thank you guys for your support on
[1:36:40] that. So
[1:36:43] » Motion to adjourn unless we got
[1:36:45] something else. Second.
[1:36:47] » Got a motion to adjurnn by Dan, second
[1:36:49] by Wanda. Further discussion hearing
[1:36:52] none. All in favor? I
[1:36:54] » Oppose. Nay. Motion carries.