1 00:00:05,040 --> 00:00:09,920 Okay, we'll call the committee of the whole meeting to order. And I would like 2 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:15,040 to acknowledge that we are holding this meeting on the unseated lands of the 3 00:00:11,360 --> 00:00:19,520 migma. Uh, everyone's here. Any declarations of conflict of interest? 4 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:27,039 Anyone? Good. Okay. Approval of agenda, 5 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:31,679 additions, and deletions. We do have uh uh additions. We have additions on the 6 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:37,200 latest the latest ones that were sent out. And 7 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:44,079 I I was just going to add a 11c just a reminder of the committee review and not 8 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:48,120 for October. Uh anything else? Anybody? 9 00:00:48,719 --> 00:00:55,520 Okay. Motion to approve the agenda with the addition. Okay. Moved and seconded. 10 00:00:53,760 --> 00:01:02,440 Any discussion? All those in favor? I contrary motion 11 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:02,440 carried. 12 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:11,240 No presentations. Okay. Staff report CAO report. Anything 13 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:11,240 there? Anyone? 14 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:18,159 » Go ahead. Deputy, >> could we get an update on the uh church 15 00:01:15,439 --> 00:01:23,920 on Argal Street and kind of where we are and a timeline of uh when we can expect 16 00:01:21,119 --> 00:01:28,400 things in demolition to move forward? >> I'll ask Deario if you'd like to speak 17 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:28,400 to that. 18 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:57,759 test test. Okay, perfect. Uh so yes, we received the hazardous assessment report 19 00:01:54,240 --> 00:02:03,920 from uh design one uh today and I reviewed that with Nick uh from Delmare. 20 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:12,160 Uh there were some uh materials that need to be abated. um uh that are 21 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:16,319 present. And right now we have a a tentative plan that will do a bit of 22 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:21,440 abatement as a phase one and then we'll have a phase two uh that will take care 23 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:26,879 of the main demolition. Uh both of those tent documents will start in earnest 24 00:02:23,920 --> 00:02:32,480 next week. We intend to have the first phase one out to tender 25 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:39,440 by the end of uh the first week of August and then depending how quick that 26 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:45,920 goes um we're out to tender for the uh main demolition before the end of 27 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:49,319 August. So yeah, >> that's good. 28 00:02:49,920 --> 00:02:54,480 » Okay, thank you. >> Okay, thanks. 29 00:02:53,519 --> 00:03:00,400 » Yep. Okay. So, anything else on the CEO 30 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:04,879 report? Okay. Fire department and the chief's 31 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:08,519 here. Anything for fire department? 32 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:22,920 Okay. Operational services. Chad's here. Any questions for Chad? 33 00:03:18,159 --> 00:03:22,920 I have a couple maybe. 34 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:27,480 Uh, 35 00:03:28,319 --> 00:03:33,319 okay. So, yeah, 36 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:40,760 don't ask me any wear questions. In general, 37 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:49,040 in in general, when we mow the town lots, because we owe we own quite a few 38 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:53,920 of town lots. So, in general, when we mow them, do we mow the whole or do we 39 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:58,239 mow just part of it? So, we got a whole messy 40 00:03:56,080 --> 00:04:04,400 grass and everything in >> Well, we we achieve we strive to mow the 41 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:06,879 whole entire lot. Yeah. Median included or boulevard included. 42 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:10,640 » Okay. >> Yeah. 43 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:12,959 » So, so if they're not done, we just just send you a note. 44 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:18,320 » Yes, for sure. Yeah. >> Okay. 45 00:04:14,239 --> 00:04:24,160 » Okay. Hang on one second. Yep. So, uh, a new fountain installed at Lake 46 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:27,280 Milo near SE. Is it new? Is there an old one that's not working? I just keep 47 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:31,280 getting the reports of, "Are you going to fix it?" And then I saw this and I 48 00:04:29,280 --> 00:04:34,560 said, "I wonder if that got fixed or if it's new." 49 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:37,440 » No. So, previously there were two fountains. Originally, there were two 50 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:41,520 fountains at Lake Milo. >> Yeah. 51 00:04:37,919 --> 00:04:45,919 » Um, they were showing their age. So last year um we got to the point where it 52 00:04:43,919 --> 00:04:51,919 wasn't feasible anymore to to keep repairing them. So we included in the 53 00:04:47,919 --> 00:04:55,520 budget this year to purchase one. Um so that's how much prices have increased 54 00:04:53,840 --> 00:04:59,120 over the last 10 years. What we could buy two of 10 years ago, we can only buy 55 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:02,080 one of now. >> Yeah. 56 00:04:59,759 --> 00:05:07,199 » So um so the fountain is new. We did have a few hiccups with the fountain. We 57 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:11,520 uh one of the nozzles blew off within I think a week of installing it. So that's 58 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:16,240 why it was down for a bit, but it's uh as of today functioning quite well. 59 00:05:13,840 --> 00:05:19,440 » Okay, good. Just in case because I keep getting the questions like uh 60 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:23,840 » Sure. >> Uh and then the you did the re you did 61 00:05:21,840 --> 00:05:26,160 the crosswalks. Do we do all of them? I haven't even looked cuz I don't see 62 00:05:25,199 --> 00:05:29,280 » repainting. >> Yeah. 63 00:05:26,639 --> 00:05:32,880 » Uh we're still painting. We I would say the majority of them are done. 64 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:35,520 » Okay. So up by the meadows, we're going to do that, too. 65 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:39,039 » Uh yeah, if it hasn't been done yet, it's on the list. Y 66 00:05:36,479 --> 00:05:41,919 » good. All right. Hang on one second. Highest monthly ridership. 67 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:47,440 » Yeah, >> we like that. 68 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:51,759 Flashing lights at Milo. >> The FL Are there flashing lights? If so, 69 00:05:49,840 --> 00:05:54,240 they weren't working a week ago. I I don't 70 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:57,600 » Okay. Yeah, you're the second one to report that. I think I saw our 71 00:05:55,919 --> 00:06:01,199 contractor yesterday with a new pedestrian controller button. So, good. 72 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:07,440 » Should have been fixed. Yeah. >> All right. And we're good on the um main 73 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:12,400 and porter, main and grand. Well, that's still Yeah, I'm still looking into that. 74 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:15,360 That's um I think we had requests to Oh, >> install [clears throat] flashing 75 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:17,120 signals. I don't think we're quite there yet. Um 76 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:23,520 » yeah, >> it really doesn't they don't fit the 77 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:25,360 criteria for for flashing signals. >> I agree. 78 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:29,759 » Yeah, >> I agree. We can't. Sorry. [laughter] 79 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:32,000 But anyway, >> yeah, 80 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:37,840 » we're we're I'm deal I'm I'm talking with our sign vendor just to try to 81 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:40,639 somehow make the crosswalks or at least the post of the crosswalks a little more 82 00:06:39,919 --> 00:06:46,880 visible. >> Okay. All right. Um, good. That's all my 83 00:06:45,039 --> 00:06:50,080 questions. Any questions? Go ahead there. 84 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:53,680 » Not really question, just a thank you. And it is things that we go over every 85 00:06:52,319 --> 00:06:58,560 time we're here when it comes right down to it. But it is amazing to see uh the 86 00:06:56,479 --> 00:07:02,080 bus transit system doing so well now with everything that we've done. It's 87 00:06:59,840 --> 00:07:06,400 it's a it's a pat yourself on the back kind of moment for that. But I did want 88 00:07:03,599 --> 00:07:10,639 to mention um how great the bus shelters look. They are spectacular 89 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:15,520 » and I don't know how busy they'll be this time of year, but uh come come 90 00:07:13,199 --> 00:07:18,639 school season and once it gets cold, those things are going to get used. So 91 00:07:17,919 --> 00:07:23,199 » great job. >> Thanks. We're pleased. I'll pass that 92 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:25,680 down. There'll be a request for about 20 more. 93 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:31,199 » Yeah. Yeah. >> Which we 94 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:32,639 it's hard because we can't do we can't do everything. 95 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:36,639 » That's right. >> We we just can't. Go ahead. Uh counselor 96 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:40,000 Leser. >> Thank you. I think there's one meeting 97 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:43,120 in this all like they're doing the pavement work across this. 98 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:46,319 » Yeah. So yeah, the pad's being finished just today. So we'll let that 99 00:07:45,055 --> 00:07:49,599 [clears throat] concrete cure for a few days. So probably midweek, maybe end of 100 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:53,840 next week, we'll have that one installed. Yeah. 101 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:58,160 » Um, so it looks like on the side of them there's like an advertising space or a 102 00:07:56,800 --> 00:08:02,160 place for a map. >> Map for art display. Yeah. 103 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:04,960 » Okay. So, is there plans any plans of what might go in there or they just 104 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:09,360 that's the design? >> Uh, not yet. We're working with Mike. 105 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:15,680 Um, I don't think we want to do advertisements, but um, art display for 106 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:20,400 sure. Maybe maps. Yeah. Okay. Thanks. >> Good. 107 00:08:17,599 --> 00:08:24,000 I think we're good. Okay. Thank you. >> Thank you. 108 00:08:21,039 --> 00:08:30,319 » I got to go back to Jeff if you're okay. So, um, and it's not on your list, but I 109 00:08:28,319 --> 00:08:37,599 don't I didn't add it, so we'll add it. We'll add it under you. So, we sent out 110 00:08:34,399 --> 00:08:45,440 a letter to natural resources around the deer and basically said, uh, we asked 111 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:52,640 the question, can you show us where in legislation it says that we are 112 00:08:47,839 --> 00:08:56,720 responsible because it's not there. Um, so we wanted to know where that was 113 00:08:54,560 --> 00:09:01,920 because we continue to do the work. We continue to get the um hold up on no, 114 00:08:59,519 --> 00:09:08,640 you can't do anything. Uh we got a lot of people quite upset quite uh quite 115 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:12,399 upset and rightfully so. So do you want to do you know where we are on that? 116 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:15,600 Because we were going to send a letter back and say you didn't answer you 117 00:09:14,399 --> 00:09:20,000 didn't answer a question. They said they're doing some kind of a setting 118 00:09:17,680 --> 00:09:23,760 something up but it it didn't answer our question. It was a political answer. Go 119 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:26,800 ahead. Sorry CEO. >> I think you just answered the question 120 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:28,160 you asked me. >> Um 121 00:09:27,279 --> 00:09:30,959 » well I'm that's >> they didn't answer the question. 122 00:09:29,519 --> 00:09:36,160 » Huh? Right? They didn't answer the question. So the issue is the 123 00:09:33,519 --> 00:09:39,120 frustration is at this table and I know the frustration in the community but the 124 00:09:37,680 --> 00:09:43,920 frustration at this table is we have no authority. We have no authority over 125 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:49,120 wildlife. Everything that we want to do we need permission from the province to 126 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:53,760 do and they're making us do the homework, do the make the proposals for 127 00:09:51,600 --> 00:10:00,880 them to say yes or no. They hold all the authority. Um but they have been working 128 00:09:57,440 --> 00:10:04,160 or we've been working under the I guess the direction from them or the 129 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:10,160 premise from them that that we have somehow responsibility for this. 130 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:13,600 » But as you know um municipalities get all of their authority and 131 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:17,040 responsibility from the province, right? We're creatures of the province. We're 132 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:22,399 we're created through through acts of the legislature. And so they can't just 133 00:10:19,839 --> 00:10:28,480 decide bureaucratically or politically that that falls to municipalities unless 134 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:33,200 there is a an act or a legis or a regulation that that supports that. And 135 00:10:30,959 --> 00:10:38,800 we have been unable to find any act of regulation that indicates that either 136 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:44,880 municipalities or towns are responsible for wildlife within our boundaries or 137 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:48,640 that the province does not have responsibility or authority for wildlife 138 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:53,760 within our boundaries. And so in the absence of of anything delegating that 139 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:57,839 authority and responsibility, we actually don't think it's ours. uh it is 140 00:10:56,160 --> 00:11:03,839 probably still theirs and they've been taking advantage of the of the concern 141 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:12,320 in the community and your proximity to the concern to to have you to have us 142 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:17,680 spend money, spend time and beg for uh permission um in the context of their of 143 00:11:15,519 --> 00:11:21,519 their regulations for them to sit back and say yes or no depending on how they 144 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:27,440 feel about it. um you know that this is wildlife is the 145 00:11:24,079 --> 00:11:30,560 provincial authority and uh until I see something in black and white that 146 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:34,959 suggests otherwise I think that we should be pushing this back to them 147 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:39,920 because they have the authority as they've shown in in Truro they have the 148 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:45,279 authority to relax their own regulations to permit uh um activities that would 149 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:51,519 reduce the deer population and they've done it in Turo. Um it it doesn't make 150 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:54,800 sense that that we should be on behalf of the residents having to beg for this 151 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:58,000 if it is their responsibility and their authority. 152 00:11:56,000 --> 00:12:02,880 » Doesn't make sense that the uh residents have to pay for everything we have to do 153 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:07,440 here either. So, um, Jeff and I have been having a couple chats over this, 154 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:11,279 and you guys know how I feel about it's, uh, 155 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:14,560 we're not quite at the point where I'm at the point, but we're still discussing 156 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:18,720 it, where we're saying, you know what, we've just racked up all these bills 157 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:23,760 trying to get the information for something we're not responsible for. So, 158 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:29,519 here's here's your invoice. It doesn't mean they would pay it or not, but um 159 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:37,680 we're not we're not there yet, but we're pretty close. I'm I'm there, 160 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:41,760 but we're going to wait on good advice for a minute. So, we're going to send 161 00:12:39,279 --> 00:12:46,880 the note back and say you didn't answer the question. Um I'd love to be at a 162 00:12:44,639 --> 00:12:51,839 point where we say and here's here are the next steps um that we're going to 163 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:53,920 take and this is this is where we are because enough 164 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:57,279 Go ahead. >> Sometimes I suspect maybe that's what 165 00:12:55,360 --> 00:13:01,839 they want you to do and that way they can wash their hands of the whole thing. 166 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:05,519 But to me in listening to what you were saying, well, a couple of things come to 167 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:10,160 mind. First off, yes, they have a template already. That's what Truro was. 168 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:14,399 And so why aren't they following the template, which I find extremely 169 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:18,480 irritating and frustrating. The other part is 170 00:13:16,639 --> 00:13:20,560 » we have sunk a lot of money into this so far. Yeah. Yeah. 171 00:13:19,279 --> 00:13:25,920 » And even if we can get to the point where we have permission to do, for 172 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:30,399 example, a call or whatever it might be, we're going to pay a lot of money for 173 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:35,120 that, that's going to cost the taxpayers of this town a lot of money. Well, if 174 00:13:33,680 --> 00:13:37,279 it's not our responsibility, we shouldn't even be paying for that. 175 00:13:36,639 --> 00:13:43,200 » No, we should. >> And I think that's as much as anything 176 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:49,120 an issue. You know, it's it's time to make a commitment one way or the other. 177 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:54,320 » Yeah. So the the Truro template was was was 178 00:13:51,279 --> 00:13:58,880 homemade. I mean Truro took that initiative and created that process for 179 00:13:56,720 --> 00:14:03,279 themselves out of frustration. The province likes it because it it is a 180 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:08,079 municipality taking something off of their plate. Uh not taking the authority 181 00:14:05,839 --> 00:14:13,120 but taking the responsibility. The difficulty that we have when we look 182 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:17,199 at their at their rules is that within within their rules and their setbacks 183 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:20,720 for houses and schools and every and businesses and so on, there are 184 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:25,760 literally too little postage stamps where you could where you could actually 185 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:31,040 carry out a controlled hunt uh within the town. And it's an extreme ends 186 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:35,760 extreme like it's it's not going to do anything for for the deer population 187 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:40,480 that's already in town and and breeding and reproducing and and living in town. 188 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:44,639 So it is not on its own a solution, I don't believe. But again, we don't have 189 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:48,720 the authority to even permit that. We have to beg for that. They have the 190 00:14:46,079 --> 00:14:52,160 authority and the responsibility and and our job has to be to point that out 191 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:58,079 unless they can show us. I could be wrong been wrong before. Unless they can 192 00:14:54,399 --> 00:15:02,399 show us that uh they they actually have through proper means delegated that 193 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:06,880 responsibility to municipalities, it just is not ours. They would like to 194 00:15:04,639 --> 00:15:12,000 create a template based on the Turo model because that that has has 195 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:16,720 delegated the responsibility or it's taken the responsibility without any 196 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:20,639 authority. And uh I I just think that that's that's not fair 197 00:15:19,199 --> 00:15:24,160 » and it's not it's not fair to us and it's not fair to the residents. Was that 198 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:28,880 authority assume? Was was that responsibility assumed? 199 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:32,800 » So, Truro asked for the responsibility essentially as they went and they had an 200 00:15:30,399 --> 00:15:38,320 issue with deer and and you know they were probably told by the pro I 201 00:15:34,959 --> 00:15:42,880 shouldn't guess but uh I won't guess. So Truro asked what do we have to do? They 202 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:46,639 they kind of made it up. They made proposals on what they would do and they 203 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:50,560 did surveys. They did pellet counts and they proposed a a controlled hunt and 204 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:55,440 they got that approved under certain conditions and and they've applied for 205 00:15:52,800 --> 00:16:01,120 an amendment to the to the regulations that that makes perfect common sense and 206 00:15:58,639 --> 00:16:05,120 eventually got that approved. But my point is why do they have to do all the 207 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:10,560 work, right? When this is not their responsibility, they have no authority. 208 00:16:07,759 --> 00:16:16,800 Why isn't the province with its resources and its tools 209 00:16:13,519 --> 00:16:23,759 working on this issue? So, I I'm always reminded of the um 210 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:29,519 ATVs on Water Street. Reminds me took 10 years fighting to get 211 00:16:25,519 --> 00:16:34,000 » that done on our streets that we pay for that finally, I believe, legislation 212 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:38,560 just changed this year that said we could put up our own speed limits. 213 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:42,560 I mean, just little things like that, right? So, do we'll tell you what you 214 00:16:40,399 --> 00:16:47,120 can do when you can do it and you pay for it. your 215 00:16:44,639 --> 00:16:50,880 » yes I said one more comment and I did see this in in the response that we got 216 00:16:48,959 --> 00:16:54,560 was this idea of community development approach 217 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:58,320 » so they when they when they decided Shabbog Meadows trail was not going to 218 00:16:56,560 --> 00:17:03,360 be maintained anymore they called it a community development uh model so the 219 00:17:01,759 --> 00:17:07,600 community can take it up and take responsibility for it that really isn't 220 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:11,199 community development that's really downloading that's downloading that 221 00:17:09,439 --> 00:17:14,959 that's you know community development approach looks a lot more engaged 222 00:17:13,120 --> 00:17:19,039 engaging and and so they're referring to this deer approach of letting 223 00:17:17,360 --> 00:17:23,839 municipalities beg for responsibility uh as a community 224 00:17:21,919 --> 00:17:28,520 development approach and it's not community development. It is it is 225 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:28,520 downloading. 226 00:17:28,799 --> 00:17:37,039 » Okay. Um All right. Planning and development. 227 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:40,360 » Did we do something >> there is 228 00:17:47,120 --> 00:17:55,039 Oh, there. Okay. The recommended motion for uh under operations to recommend the 229 00:17:52,880 --> 00:18:00,799 council designate one accessible stall and one regular stall in front of 82 230 00:17:57,600 --> 00:18:04,679 Main Street. Okay. Moved and seconded. Discussion on this one. 231 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:11,840 » Go ahead. Uh, this come from a discussion um with the owner of Harves 232 00:18:09,360 --> 00:18:16,799 and I sent this earlier. Very thankful for the town for getting on this um 233 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:21,919 right away and um hopefully have this installed to make it accessible for 234 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:25,919 those people who um attend their restaurant there. So, thank you Chad for 235 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:30,880 that work and hopefully it'll be up and going real soon. Thank you. 236 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:37,600 » Good. Okay. All those in favor? >> I contrary motion carried. Okay. 237 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:44,200 planning and development. And Martin's here. 238 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:44,200 Okay. Any question there? 239 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:51,520 Oh, there. You got to stand right in front of that, Derek. Go ahead. 240 00:18:51,198 --> 00:18:56,240 [laughter] >> Um, not out of everything that you've 241 00:18:54,080 --> 00:19:04,720 written and probably pick the the least interesting to ask a question on. Um 74 242 00:19:00,799 --> 00:19:09,200 386 Main Street I believe is the SAM building. 243 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:13,919 Um but it says 7 it says 70 I I don't know what the 74 386 means. But that's 244 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:18,000 not the important part. I I think my question is 245 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:22,799 the um the funding expired for the for the facade program for them to fix it. 246 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:27,280 Is there any indication that it's going to they're still going to do the work 247 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:31,360 because it's been sitting with Tyvec for quite a while. Um, thank you. It's a 248 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:37,840 good question. I asked the same question last week of the owner. Um, and so the 249 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:41,120 short answer is yes. Um, however, as um, I might have mentioned in some of 250 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:45,679 previous meetings, there are larger, more complex issues 251 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:51,440 that the owner is dealing with um, with respect to the building as we speak. And 252 00:19:48,559 --> 00:19:55,039 so they're they have to prioritize sort of where they invest their energy and 253 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:59,360 resources. And as unfortunate as it may sound, the 254 00:19:57,440 --> 00:20:03,360 the exterior of the building is currently not their focus because that 255 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:07,919 is what the public sees, right? That's what you see when we walk by and drive 256 00:20:05,120 --> 00:20:12,640 by. And that's what is a big part of the fabric of Main Street, which is that's 257 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:18,559 why I said unfortunate, but as I as I just alluded to, there's a bigger sort 258 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:21,679 of items that the owner is tending to within the building. And so currently, I 259 00:20:20,799 --> 00:20:25,200 don't want to say it's on the back burner, but it's definitely on their 260 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:29,919 mind. Uh we have a site visit scheduled for next Tuesday actually with the rest 261 00:20:26,799 --> 00:20:35,919 of our staff and the owner and the main uh or sorry this the facade will be um a 262 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:41,360 point of discussion but um I hope that gives you a sense of sort of um 263 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:45,200 not timeline but sort of some of the priorities we're or the owners 264 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:50,480 considering and and and likely dealing with. 265 00:20:47,679 --> 00:20:54,720 » So do we have the ability to put a timeline on that facade? And I only say 266 00:20:52,799 --> 00:20:59,280 that because we've we've got a little toy store there that frankly folks 267 00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:01,280 aren't even aware of because you can't see it in that 268 00:21:00,559 --> 00:21:05,039 » Yeah. >> in in the wrap of Tyvec. 269 00:21:03,039 --> 00:21:08,799 » You can't you just can't see it and it just it 270 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:12,880 » Yes, we can. Yes, we can. And so we are um again had a great meeting with the 271 00:21:10,559 --> 00:21:17,840 owner whatever that was last week, week before that. And I didn't inform them if 272 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:22,320 that's notwithstanding everything else I just said that may be happening and the 273 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:27,039 is dealing with we have to act on the front facade and that would be um an 274 00:21:24,159 --> 00:21:32,000 order under um unsightly and or dangerous premises of the MGA and we did 275 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:35,840 inform them if um there's no visible progress from an application for 276 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:40,880 development permit to demonstrate compliance with applicable regulations 277 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:44,880 under bylaw and then some some some concrete sort of steps towards 278 00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:49,760 addressing it will be forced to issue a order under the NGA uh I'm sorry under 279 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:54,320 the unsightly or dangerous and so he's been informed of that so that would put 280 00:21:51,679 --> 00:21:58,400 in place a timeline now 281 00:21:56,240 --> 00:22:02,720 there's initial timeline there's a you know discussion that may be extended but 282 00:22:01,120 --> 00:22:07,039 uh that would be sort of starting point of of establishing some clear 283 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:10,760 expectations on when or by when that work has to be done 284 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:17,960 » does that help helps. I mean, we don't want to go the whole winter with a 285 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:22,880 » No, understood. >> You You know, it's just 286 00:22:20,799 --> 00:22:27,360 » understood and and I'm well aware of the uh the sentiment of of this body towards 287 00:22:25,120 --> 00:22:29,679 that sort of condition and we feel the same and so does the owner. Don't get me 288 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:32,799 wrong. He >> No, no, no. I understand. he understands 289 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:37,200 he and he would like to get it fixed, but um he's in sort of a situation where 290 00:22:35,679 --> 00:22:41,600 he's got to make some >> some decisions about where to invest his 291 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:46,000 time and resources and and um those aren't easy decisions. So 292 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:48,960 » uh we're trying to sort of approach that with that same understanding, but 293 00:22:47,919 --> 00:22:54,799 there's a limit to it. >> Yep. Okay. And it's not about um just 294 00:22:52,159 --> 00:23:01,520 for the record, it's not about pretty, it's about economics. It's it's about 295 00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:04,640 it's this is in in the downtown core uh you know where business are looking to 296 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:09,200 set up. They just want to know that their neighbors are going to be looked 297 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:12,320 after that it's not going to feel like uh a place that I don't want to set up 298 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:17,039 another business. So >> yeah I mean the the syndrome of broken 299 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:22,559 windows is a real thing. Um and so we we good 300 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:29,280 » that okay anything else for Martin? >> Go ahead councelor Bell. Thank you your 301 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:35,360 worship and thank you for uh the report this month. Um a lot of information 302 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:41,039 packed into a very concise package. I really appreciate it was really easy to 303 00:23:37,360 --> 00:23:44,400 go through and um and actually the the question that I have really doesn't have 304 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:50,400 anything to do with directly with the report. it it I'm just hoping for some 305 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:58,000 direction with regards to bylaw enforcement of um sight um unsightly and 306 00:23:55,039 --> 00:24:05,360 dangerous premises. There is a property on Tuker Street that is abandoned, has 307 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:11,279 been abandoned for many years, and I continue to get complaints about uh the 308 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:16,320 property being open to the air and wildlife being in and out of the 309 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:21,039 property. Um, and I have reported the complaints and what the feedback that's 310 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:25,200 come back is that the house is secure. And so what I'm trying to understand so 311 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:31,919 that I can communicate it to constituents. Um, and what I think I'm 312 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:36,240 hearing is that we we are not concerned about wildlife being able to get into a 313 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:42,760 building. We're concerned about humans being able to get into a building. Is 314 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:42,760 that fair to say? Um, 315 00:24:43,120 --> 00:24:49,279 I'm going to thread carefully here because I I'm going to I'm not going to 316 00:24:46,559 --> 00:24:51,679 proclaim myself expert on both abandoned building by which I believe we have in 317 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:54,320 place. >> Uh, same with dangerous or unsightly, 318 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:58,960 but >> I believe the uh the access to rodents 319 00:24:56,720 --> 00:25:04,080 and and sort of wildlife is is noted in one of them as a concern. Uh, I think 320 00:25:01,679 --> 00:25:07,440 I'm getting some nods here and and so I think it would be both. And before I was 321 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:12,159 going to answer uh your worship, I was going to ask um the feedback you've been 322 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:17,600 getting, would it be from our staff that the building's secure? I think last year 323 00:25:14,559 --> 00:25:21,840 when I raised the issue and the complaint went through the process that 324 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:26,480 that was the feedback that I was given was that the building was secure and I 325 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:30,640 think it is secure in terms of human habitation and certainly from the front 326 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:35,120 of the building >> it doesn't look as though there's an 327 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:41,760 issue but if you if you view it looking south from Albert Street um it is 328 00:25:39,279 --> 00:25:45,760 completely open to the air in the back uh uh you know in the eaves and the 329 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:51,360 pigeons and everything are going in and out constantly and this has been going 330 00:25:47,360 --> 00:25:57,200 on for you know 5 years 10 years I don't know and I've just 331 00:25:54,799 --> 00:26:00,720 I don't know in what other neighborhood of the community it would be tolerated 332 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:04,240 for this long >> it wouldn't 333 00:26:01,919 --> 00:26:09,200 » so just and and I don't know if there's anything that we can do as an 334 00:26:05,919 --> 00:26:14,159 institutional body but um I just want to be able to tell my constituents 335 00:26:12,159 --> 00:26:17,679 um what we're able to do and what we're not able to do. 336 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:22,080 » Look, I mean, I you're touching on several interesting points. Um one of 337 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:28,799 them being at this point anyway in middle of the summer construction season 338 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:34,559 um resourcing on our end. Um we're um we're we're 339 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:38,799 we're busy um unsightly and dangerous orders. Um not only their issuance, but 340 00:26:37,120 --> 00:26:44,080 following up on those orders and working with the owners. Same with um vacant 341 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:47,919 buildings which actually requires I believe the operators or owners of those 342 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:52,400 buildings submit annual reports to demonstrate that the condition of the 343 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:58,960 vacant buildings is such that you know it's it's acceptable and up to snuff. Um 344 00:26:56,720 --> 00:27:05,520 I'm going to summarize is there's work to be done on our end to follow up on um 345 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:09,840 range of items and files. The building reference is likely one of 346 00:27:07,279 --> 00:27:13,679 them. We're seeking avenues to sort of get the done and get not get ahead of 347 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:17,919 it. I feel it'll take a couple years before we do can say that but at least 348 00:27:16,159 --> 00:27:23,200 sort of start attending to it in a manner that it deserves. Um and so again 349 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:28,159 as I said steps are being taken sort of to position ourselves as a small 350 00:27:25,279 --> 00:27:31,919 department to to do so. Um, in the meantime, 351 00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:36,240 you know, if there's a specific issue, I encourage you to contact our office, 352 00:27:33,679 --> 00:27:40,000 whether it's bylaw, myself, and we'll give you as best as we can, or we'll 353 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:44,720 send our staff as needed because those continue to happen, right? Whether it's 354 00:27:41,679 --> 00:27:50,799 triggered by the citizens or or or anybody else. Uh, we try to do those, 355 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:53,520 but um it's been a bit of a challenge and it will continue to be for some 356 00:27:52,799 --> 00:27:56,640 time. >> Yeah. 357 00:27:55,279 --> 00:28:02,360 And it's not just properties in Southoun. I can tell you that. 358 00:27:57,919 --> 00:28:02,360 » Oh gosh. No. No. 359 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:12,080 » For for me it's it's not a criticism of staff. It's just a looking for clarity 360 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:16,399 so that the con if it's appropriate for the constituents to continue to be using 361 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:22,799 clickfix then I will direct them to do that. But I I don't want them to 362 00:28:20,159 --> 00:28:29,200 continue to use ClickFix if if it isn't a town remediable problem. That's that's 363 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:31,279 just that's just the point. I think I'm trying I'm looking for clarity about 364 00:28:30,799 --> 00:28:36,799 that. >> Are are the I mean I'm shaking my head 365 00:28:34,399 --> 00:28:39,520 yes to to the animals. >> Yes, it is. Yes. 366 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:45,840 » Whether it's birds or whatever because that that's not just unsightly. That's 367 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:50,720 dangerous in a neighborhood. So, um I even got a report this week that there's 368 00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:54,320 skunks in somebody's yard. >> We have a range of 369 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:58,559 » come right. So, if that's open and the birds are getting in are the other 370 00:28:56,240 --> 00:29:03,279 animals getting in and then there's they're spreading to you know the 371 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:06,880 neighborhood like that's that's the sad thing. You know, your property is one 372 00:29:05,279 --> 00:29:11,520 thing but somebody else's property is quite another. in in short is very much 373 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:14,559 within the scope of um >> the legislation we talked about you're 374 00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:20,799 aware of and and our staff's jurisdiction. 375 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:26,640 » Okay. All right. So we'll >> I think I'll mention a conversation we 376 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:32,399 had earlier this week, Martin. So, um, we've had changeover in that department 377 00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:37,760 and we've had plans to execute on on restaffing in in certain areas and we've 378 00:29:34,559 --> 00:29:43,120 actually shifted um a priority until we get uh clarity on this year's fiscal 379 00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:48,880 picture, shift a priority from community economic development to to enforcement 380 00:29:45,919 --> 00:29:53,840 and and compliance. And so, uh, we've got to fill a position, but, um, but 381 00:29:51,919 --> 00:29:57,279 there is at least that acknowledgment that the workload there is a bit 382 00:29:55,760 --> 00:30:01,279 overwhelming right now, and we do need to throw support at it. So, that's a 383 00:29:59,279 --> 00:30:05,960 choice that we've kind of made until we have clarity on whether we can do both. 384 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,960 So, 385 00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:14,799 » yeah. Um, yeah. 386 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:20,880 No, I just struggle with things to say. But uh 387 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:26,799 I I think sometimes if if uh you know, for example, housing, the the Yarmouth 388 00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:30,880 housing, if if they would look after their properties in the manner that they 389 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:35,279 need to be taken care of, that would be a lot less off our plates. We shouldn't 390 00:30:33,039 --> 00:30:41,440 have to deal with with that type of thing. Um so we'll have some more 391 00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:45,360 conversations with them. That's just I guess it it depends what kind of this 392 00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:49,919 isn't about you, but it depends what kind of person you are. If you say, you 393 00:30:47,679 --> 00:30:54,320 know, this if you if you say something and and it's yeah, it'll get done. You 394 00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:58,720 you expect it to get done. And then when it doesn't, it's like I got to go again, 395 00:30:56,480 --> 00:31:01,919 then I have to go again. And it's uh that's a burden on you guys. I know 396 00:31:00,159 --> 00:31:06,320 you're doing all you can. It's it's we're swamped. It's like top to bottom. 397 00:31:04,159 --> 00:31:10,640 » And the process in many ways is not perfect either. Uh it's it's if anything 398 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:13,120 it's far from perfect. Uh >> yeah, 399 00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:18,000 » you know even if you do start following these orders for unsightly or dangerous 400 00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:23,039 or mostly both um the options under or through the 401 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:27,039 process are limited and you know if it's a question of resources as well and 402 00:31:25,039 --> 00:31:31,679 decisions sometimes in front of you and some some of these require immediate 403 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:35,360 action. So you know the resources on the owner side are not there. uh demolition 404 00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:39,840 obviously it's a whole different issue alto together because the the resource 405 00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:46,000 there is much more significant than uh um you know fixing up a um unsafe access 406 00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:49,440 or missing deck or stairs. Um then if you look at the legal routes available 407 00:31:47,519 --> 00:31:54,240 to us whether it's uh issuing of tickets and ultimately proceeding it to with 408 00:31:51,279 --> 00:31:59,120 long forms to to courts that's also you know resource heavy on on legal advice 409 00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:03,200 and and so representations on that end and again that's those are year-long 410 00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:07,919 processes that don't really get you anywhere other than 411 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:11,440 uh you know and in and not not not anywhere I'm not going to say that I I 412 00:32:09,679 --> 00:32:16,640 have very limited experience but those are long-term processes that eventually 413 00:32:14,399 --> 00:32:23,120 result than something but usually not an outcome that um you know that that you 414 00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:26,159 would envision or we would envision. So back to the process sort of like what 415 00:32:24,559 --> 00:32:28,720 I'm saying is what's available to us is not great and so that's why working with 416 00:32:27,679 --> 00:32:32,880 owners >> and finding ways to keep it sort of 417 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:38,000 locally and address it locally is always the best but it's not always easy to 418 00:32:35,919 --> 00:32:44,880 work with the owners. um some of them may not be around present in condition 419 00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:50,360 to even communicate with us and um it's a really interesting and 420 00:32:46,159 --> 00:32:50,360 challenging file at the same time. 421 00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:58,640 » Good. Anyone else? Anything for Martin at all? No. Okay. 422 00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:05,679 Thank you. >> Thank you. 423 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:09,640 » Okay. Engineering and I see Deario here. Any questions there? 424 00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:18,960 No. Okay. Finance. Not Did you want to share when you think 425 00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:21,279 we'll >> budget? No. 426 00:33:20,159 --> 00:33:22,960 » No, we're good. >> No. 427 00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:28,640 » Yeah. >> Um, so just for council's information, 428 00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:32,240 um, to my knowledge, director of finance is going to start a return to work uh 429 00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:37,120 program next week. It's not going to come in full-time right off the hop. So 430 00:33:34,159 --> 00:33:41,440 it'll be be phased in, but uh latest information I have is that that will 431 00:33:38,559 --> 00:33:45,840 start next week and top priority is is budget work. So um stay tuned for that 432 00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:49,440 and we'll ask for your for your indulgence around uh meeting and and 433 00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:52,640 going through the documents as soon as they're ready. 434 00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:57,760 » Good. Okay. Uh 435 00:33:55,360 --> 00:34:01,240 recreation and Frank's here. Any questions for Frank? 436 00:34:02,799 --> 00:34:05,960 Go ahead. 437 00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:21,760 I see it's mentioned about the lights at the Mariners. Uh I know there was I 438 00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:26,639 think a $40,000 LED upgrade that was in there. I'm just wondering if that was 439 00:34:24,159 --> 00:34:30,480 started if it was just fixing of what's already there and kind of where we are 440 00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:35,679 timeline if that is going to be done this year. 441 00:34:32,240 --> 00:34:40,399 » Um we've replaced two of the existing lights with LED lights as a test and 442 00:34:38,720 --> 00:34:45,119 then we'll be moving forward on replacement 443 00:34:42,240 --> 00:34:50,159 of the rest of them. Um the the light the light systems are working. I think 444 00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:54,399 there's one one uh bulb that's that's not working. Okay, perfect. 445 00:34:51,919 --> 00:34:59,280 » So, we are planning on moving forward if everything goes well with the test of 446 00:34:56,560 --> 00:35:04,320 the two uh new LED lights. >> Perfect. And if um if that goes well, is 447 00:35:01,839 --> 00:35:08,560 there a plan to upgrade uh veterans as well maybe next year or down the road? 448 00:35:06,720 --> 00:35:13,839 » For sure. Yeah, 100%. >> Great to see. And I think the not only 449 00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:17,920 the uh new technology is a whole lot better and not so cumbersome, but the uh 450 00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:22,000 energy use I'm sure is a whole lot less compared to what it was as well. So that 451 00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:27,599 that's always been an issue is with ballasts and bulbs. There's two things 452 00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:33,280 that can break and with high winds if the bulb doesn't break than the ballast 453 00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:41,520 would. So the LED unit is one unit. So it should hopefully work more efficient 454 00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:45,119 more efficiently uh um and energy-wise as well. 455 00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:49,839 » Perfect. And uh big I hear there's a big softball tournament this weekend. I 456 00:35:47,119 --> 00:35:54,880 think there is a 32 team tournament. >> Uh things went very smooth dealing with 457 00:35:52,160 --> 00:36:00,560 wreck. So thank you for that. And um I know Minor Ball has um is quite busy. I 458 00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:04,240 see we have people going away winning tournaments and provincials and whatnot. 459 00:36:02,720 --> 00:36:08,400 So it's great to see the upgrade of that field and I remember when those were put 460 00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:12,960 in and you know the the getting back to being a baseball town and uh some pride 461 00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:17,680 of our athletes and whatnot. And also shout out to your crew for the um 462 00:36:15,359 --> 00:36:21,440 senior's picnic that was held at um Beacon there a week or so ago. It was I 463 00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:26,320 think the most highly attended that they had and the uh teddy bear picnic for um 464 00:36:24,720 --> 00:36:29,680 » Sefest was at the same time. So it was nice to see the park filled and I think 465 00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:32,640 everyone enjoyed theirel. So >> we had hot dogs [laughter] 466 00:36:31,359 --> 00:36:37,359 » and little Sandies. >> Plenty of hot dogs. Um, just one other 467 00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:42,640 thing I wanted to mention is, and I'm sure council knows, uh, communities in 468 00:36:39,839 --> 00:36:48,160 Bloom, judges are in town and, uh, recreation facilities are always a part 469 00:36:44,720 --> 00:36:54,320 of that that tour. So, uh, judges will be at Milton, uh, ball field or 470 00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:56,880 Coronation Park and Lake Milo. >> Awesome. 471 00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:59,599 » So, tomorrow, 472 00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:05,839 » good stuff. um our September 2nd meeting 473 00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:08,480 whenever it [snorts] came out. It's the same as Remo. 474 00:37:07,599 --> 00:37:10,480 » Uhhuh. >> Saying, 475 00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:14,560 » okay, first Wednesday. >> We look We might have to look at the 476 00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:17,440 Tuesday or uh >> we'll get on it. 477 00:37:15,599 --> 00:37:22,320 » Sorry. It's been booked like it was booked a long time ago. So, we can take 478 00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:25,359 a peek at that and then um >> is is Remo early in the afternoon as 479 00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:29,280 well? >> It's the same time, isn't it? 4 o'clock. 480 00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:30,800 » Okay. >> Yeah, 481 00:37:29,599 --> 00:37:36,480 » we'll have to look at it then. >> Yeah, we can look at another We can look 482 00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:39,720 at another day. >> What's that? 483 00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:49,359 » Oh, or we can move Remo. >> Yeah, we'll figure that out. Lindsay, 484 00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:50,640 can you get you just figure it out with Frank? 485 00:37:50,079 --> 00:37:54,720 » Perfect. >> We got to have We We have to have a 486 00:37:52,320 --> 00:38:00,240 meeting and get an answer to an email, too. 487 00:37:56,800 --> 00:38:04,240 Yeah, like a a a a real response to an email that was sent. 488 00:38:01,599 --> 00:38:06,480 » Okay. >> We'll do that. 489 00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:11,599 » Right. >> Hopefully, it's done before we get 490 00:38:07,839 --> 00:38:13,760 there. Anybody else? Anything for Wreck? Busy. 491 00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:16,800 » Busy. >> It's been It's been a good summer so 492 00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:18,000 far. >> Okay. 493 00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:24,760 » Thank you. >> Thanks, Frank. 494 00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:24,760 » Business. Okay. So, personnel policy, 495 00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:31,599 I can get in here. So, the recommended motion there is to 496 00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:38,880 recommend the council amend the personnel policy to include 5.07 497 00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:44,240 cent reduction policy. Okay. Moved, seconded. Any discussion on 498 00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:50,280 this one? All those in favor? 499 00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:50,280 » Opposed? 500 00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:59,440 Motion carried. And the next one is to recommend that council amend section 501 00:38:55,839 --> 00:39:03,079 5.02 of the personnel policy to include violence prevention. 502 00:39:03,599 --> 00:39:10,079 » Move. >> Moved and seconded. Any discussion on 503 00:39:08,240 --> 00:39:17,040 this one? Okay. All those in favor? I. Contrary. 504 00:39:13,839 --> 00:39:23,680 Motion carried. Thank you. Okay. citizen advisory to recommend the council amend 505 00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:29,599 uh section 4.0 the citizen advisory committee's policy to include 506 00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:36,079 orientation for citizen members okay moved and seconded discussion on this 507 00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:41,640 one I assume orientation will include like some of Robert's rules and stuff 508 00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:41,640 like that we'll figure 509 00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:49,680 » okay good okay Go ahead. 510 00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:54,720 » Sorry. I just can't emphasize how important this is. It's it's uh it's 511 00:39:52,400 --> 00:40:00,079 kind of crucial that when citizens when all of us uh jump into one of these 512 00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:04,640 committees, these committees do some really important work and to understand 513 00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:11,520 exactly why you're there and what's going on is is huge. And so, um can't 514 00:40:09,119 --> 00:40:17,440 believe it wasn't there before almost. And uh it it really is a policy that we 515 00:40:14,079 --> 00:40:23,359 need to have not just for uh the citizen advisory committees but for all of us. 516 00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:30,640 And uh I guess that's it. Thank you. Good. Okay. All those in favor? I 517 00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:35,440 contrary motion carried uh communications policy to recommend that 518 00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:39,079 council direct staff to develop a communication policy. 519 00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:48,320 Moved. Seconded. 520 00:40:45,359 --> 00:40:52,680 Someone going to second. Seconded. Okay. Discussion. 521 00:40:55,359 --> 00:40:58,599 We good. 522 00:41:00,319 --> 00:41:13,280 » Okay. Here. Um, so we're having this conversation because there has been some 523 00:41:09,119 --> 00:41:20,960 discussion about um how we're using uh our town's social 524 00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:28,720 media platforms. And I just think it's important for us um if we're going to 525 00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:34,079 send this to staff for a policy, I think we should have a conversation about 526 00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:38,079 what uh those social media platforms and 527 00:41:36,240 --> 00:41:42,560 communication platforms are designed for. And so I'd like to start the 528 00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:48,240 conversation um 529 00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:53,599 with my perspective which is that these are really there primarily to 530 00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:57,200 communicate information on behalf of the municipality. 531 00:41:55,280 --> 00:42:02,480 They're there to serve the municipality's interests, not to serve 532 00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:07,599 third parties interests. And when the municipality's interests and third party 533 00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:12,960 interests align, and there is a reason, that's great. But I think primarily it's 534 00:42:11,359 --> 00:42:22,640 important that we are mindful of what that those 535 00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:27,599 platforms are there to do. Um, you know, I don't consider myself an expert on too 536 00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:33,599 many things, but I have been in journalism, communications, and public 537 00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:42,640 relations for most of my adult life. And in those roles, I have an exquisite 538 00:42:36,720 --> 00:42:48,800 understanding of boundaries and why uh boundaries are important. Um I think 539 00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:56,000 followers of the platforms expect um the municipality to provide 540 00:42:52,400 --> 00:43:02,160 timely and reliable information about our services, our programs, the 541 00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:07,200 decisions that we're making. Um information about emergencies and 542 00:43:04,240 --> 00:43:12,480 matters that advance the communities and the council's objectives. 543 00:43:09,839 --> 00:43:17,440 Um and you know sometimes when a 544 00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:24,960 municipality publishes or any organization publishes activities that 545 00:43:20,240 --> 00:43:30,880 are organized by outside organizations. They may intentionally convey an 546 00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:37,680 institutional endorsement or approval regardless of whether um they have had 547 00:43:34,240 --> 00:43:44,079 any control or any input into that third party organizations's activities and how 548 00:43:40,240 --> 00:43:50,400 they're being conducted and that puts um organizations at some risk. 549 00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:56,000 Um, so I think that any policy, if we're going to do a policy, um, needs to 550 00:43:53,520 --> 00:44:02,480 really establish what those communication platforms are 551 00:43:58,240 --> 00:44:09,359 there to do and then leave it to staff to decide um, what are the appro, you 552 00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:14,560 know, what's appropriate going forward. And I am assuming that it would be 553 00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:20,960 official communications um and category you know in information 554 00:44:17,359 --> 00:44:27,960 that about what we are doing what what what we're doing to engage our citizens. 555 00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:27,960 Um, 556 00:44:28,240 --> 00:44:37,200 I just feel very strongly about this that uh, number one, council should not 557 00:44:33,599 --> 00:44:42,800 be directing staff about what's going on those communications channels and that 558 00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:48,839 we need to understand what they're there for. Thank you. 559 00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:48,839 » Okay. Anyone else? 560 00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:58,640 » Go ahead. >> So, I disagree. Um, 561 00:44:56,079 --> 00:45:02,880 I I can't believe that we'd have a main street packed with 500 cars and 562 00:45:01,119 --> 00:45:09,160 thousands of people and not see the value and somehow of helping to 563 00:45:04,720 --> 00:45:09,160 advertise that. Um 564 00:45:09,599 --> 00:45:17,680 uh we also often give money to these organizations and if we feel strongly 565 00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:24,800 enough to fund what they do, I think we should um at least be uh supportive 566 00:45:21,839 --> 00:45:28,240 enough to um let them know the work they're doing is important enough to get 567 00:45:26,319 --> 00:45:32,880 out there. I agree there should be some type of policy. So it's not everything. 568 00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:38,720 Um maybe that could be tied into the things that we support financially. We 569 00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:42,400 also support as far as advertising, but I would like to kind of back up and 570 00:45:40,319 --> 00:45:48,160 speak to something else, I guess, before we get there. Often when we bring up 571 00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:52,560 things around this table, we disagree. Um, I think the way we disagree, we need 572 00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:58,960 to look at sometimes. Um, as I get older in my life, um, I'm 573 00:45:56,800 --> 00:46:03,839 I'm not a fan of being talked down to or talked to in a manner that I don't care 574 00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:09,599 for just because I hold a different opinion of 575 00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:15,520 how I see something. Um, I feel far too often lately that the responses that we 576 00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:21,520 get sometime aren't the most respectful or um, within the the decorum that we 577 00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:24,960 should have when we disagree. I think um I've learned in my life that if you 578 00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:28,240 really want to know someone's true colors, disagree with them or don't give 579 00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:34,359 them what they want and you tend to see a little bit more of those true colors 580 00:46:30,319 --> 00:46:34,359 come through. Um 581 00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:41,280 um we all bring something different to this 582 00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:45,359 table. I have sat in this table with my mind made up of how I was going to vote 583 00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:48,400 and other people have talked and I've heard their two cents and I've changed 584 00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:53,839 my opinion because of the respect I have for those around here. Um, I don't think 585 00:46:51,839 --> 00:46:59,599 I've I've seen conversations where things have not went the best way. Um, 586 00:46:56,960 --> 00:47:03,200 senior safety comes up to me, the deer conversation. 587 00:47:01,119 --> 00:47:07,680 Um, Mr. Leser helping out with a tree. Um, 588 00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:12,079 when we disagree, we need to figure out how we're going to disagree. And we all 589 00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:16,480 put our name in our ballots and we're all one vote around this table. And no 590 00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:21,520 one's opinion is any more important than the rest of us. Um, some people take 591 00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:26,160 what they want to be as a counselor and how they want to arrive somewhere from 592 00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:32,079 what's written, maybe proincially or in a policy. Some of us live by conviction. 593 00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:35,119 I'm one of those people. Um, when I put my head on the pillow at night, I want 594 00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:39,040 to be able to believe in the things that I do. Um, if this last weekend has 595 00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:42,480 taught me anything is to be proud of where you're from and who you are. 596 00:47:40,720 --> 00:47:48,640 Whether you speak the Queen's English or every now and then if my ing's end in or 597 00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:52,800 I use ain't, we uh we all bring something to this table. There are 598 00:47:50,079 --> 00:47:56,720 animal lovers, there are tourists and event lovers, there are 599 00:47:54,960 --> 00:48:03,280 environmentalists, there's sidewalk people, there's um crosswalk people, 600 00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:07,440 there is uh arts people and we all bring something to this table. So what I think 601 00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:11,920 when we have these discussions and when we have differences of opinion, I'd like 602 00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:17,440 to be able to be comfortable enough that I'm going to speak it the way I'd 603 00:48:14,478 --> 00:48:24,720 [snorts] like to speak it. And my vote will be how I think and where I come 604 00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:29,280 from and how I come to this. It may be different than somebody else, but it 605 00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:33,119 should be respected. So I just like to get that out there. I'd also like to say 606 00:48:31,359 --> 00:48:40,079 that in the past, I think we have did a good job often speaking openly and not 607 00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:45,040 getting caught up in this is how you should think, I'm going to let you know. 608 00:48:42,720 --> 00:48:49,680 And if you don't see it this way, then there's some flawed way in your 609 00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:52,880 thinking. And intent and impact are two different things. And I think we need to 610 00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:58,480 take that in consideration when speaking to each other. And um I just like to say 611 00:48:55,680 --> 00:49:02,480 moving forward that if I don't give it, I won't be taking it. So, let's all get 612 00:49:01,119 --> 00:49:06,800 along and learn to talk to each other properly. 613 00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:11,280 » Anyone else? >> Because I gota I'm gonna 614 00:49:08,720 --> 00:49:15,599 » Yeah, I'll keep it short and sweet. Um um I'm curious to see how this policy 615 00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:20,720 would look. So, I I don't know if I'd dismiss it offhand. I do have concerns 616 00:49:18,079 --> 00:49:24,720 that, you know, I and I'll I'll get into that at a later date, but um certainly, 617 00:49:23,359 --> 00:49:30,079 of course, it won't preclude anybody from using their own voice. I mean, I I 618 00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:34,160 advertise stuff on behalf of community groups that I represent on Facebook. I 619 00:49:32,559 --> 00:49:41,040 don't involve the town in it. That's just a choice. Um, 620 00:49:37,599 --> 00:49:45,359 I would though like to offer that. Um, and I brought it to your worship's 621 00:49:43,599 --> 00:49:48,800 attention at times and to the CEO's attention that sometimes I think we get 622 00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:52,640 into conversations online that we shouldn't. And I think that uh that 623 00:49:51,599 --> 00:49:56,960 shouldn't happen. And if we're going to have those conversations, we should have 624 00:49:54,079 --> 00:50:04,160 them at this table and we shouldn't have them in u in email forms. So that just 625 00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:10,800 my my thoughts on that. And um very often too I I think um I I have a 626 00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:16,000 24-hour rule. When I disagree with somebody online, I might type a message, 627 00:50:13,119 --> 00:50:20,559 but I don't send it for 24 hours. And 99% of the time, I don't send it. 628 00:50:18,720 --> 00:50:24,079 Um but also you know there's a big 629 00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:29,119 difference between somebody saying thanks a lot or thanks a lot. You know 630 00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:32,720 it's just sometimes perception on the way you read things. Um so I have to 631 00:50:31,359 --> 00:50:40,000 think we have to be really careful not to focus too strongly on on written 632 00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:43,640 communications that um sometimes people make in a 633 00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:49,359 in haste. Um, but anyway, I I look forward to seeing what it would look 634 00:50:47,839 --> 00:50:53,200 like at the end of the day with staff involvement. Um, and to see if it's 635 00:50:51,839 --> 00:50:56,960 workable and maybe it isn't. At the end of the day, maybe it's not going to 636 00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:59,920 work. But let's take a look at it and see. 637 00:50:57,520 --> 00:51:04,000 » In the meantime, um, I agree with the may the deputy mayor. We we all have a 638 00:51:02,079 --> 00:51:08,960 voice at this table and uh, there's times that you have changed my mind and 639 00:51:06,319 --> 00:51:10,240 there's times that you haven't. Um, and that's fair. 640 00:51:09,839 --> 00:51:15,280 » Yeah. >> But uh, I'm one of seven at the table. 641 00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:21,359 So that's my vote. Thank you. >> Yeah, that's what I I agree that's the 642 00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:26,319 way it works. One one person one person I'll I'll just say where I am. Um I do 643 00:51:25,119 --> 00:51:31,440 agree with what you said about perceptions. I think sometimes we 644 00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:36,240 I know I do it all the time. I say something online that's taken the wrong 645 00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:41,760 way because whoever's it's it just sometimes that happens. That's not 646 00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:49,200 always the case. Um I am a believer in the town information. I think Mike has 647 00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:57,119 stuck very close to that as as staff to stick close to making sure 648 00:51:52,319 --> 00:52:00,119 that it's town connected information. Um 649 00:52:01,599 --> 00:52:09,599 the car show was advertised just maybe not in the way everybody was thinking 650 00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:13,280 because you you posted probably half a dozen 651 00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:19,359 there there was information there. So everybody knew the car show was 652 00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:24,319 happening except just maybe a a last a last line. Um the f I'm just I just 653 00:52:22,240 --> 00:52:30,240 jotted down what some of the things people were saying. So the financial 654 00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:34,720 support if we give them money um I mean I know why I sometimes give money to 655 00:52:32,079 --> 00:52:42,800 organizations I don't believe I don't believe in. So that's a that's a tough 656 00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:50,240 one for me. Um my fear that and it and it depends what the what this policy 657 00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:54,000 looks like but but my fear in in having the discussion and getting the 658 00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:59,680 policy to make sure the policy is tight is so that you know what we have to get 659 00:52:56,880 --> 00:53:03,839 to where where the answer is to what are we going to do because my first thought 660 00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:07,119 was oh my gosh is somebody going to get upset because we haven't done like a 661 00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:11,040 community yard sale or something like that because there's just so many things 662 00:53:08,720 --> 00:53:16,880 that support organizations and that's not our that is not our job to 663 00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:23,200 support other organizations but we can do it as council as council members. 664 00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:31,000 uh the the idea that we might miss one and then what happens so that can be 665 00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:31,000 considered um it becomes an expectation 666 00:53:32,240 --> 00:53:38,800 and and yeah it's just not it's not for email. I 667 00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:45,119 think what gets us in trouble most times is is the the discussions online because 668 00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:49,280 we just aren't reading things the way maybe they're intended. Maybe we are 669 00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:53,119 reading them how they're intended, but it's uh the discussion at the table I 670 00:53:51,599 --> 00:53:57,200 think is the most important. So you're going to do that policy and 671 00:53:56,559 --> 00:53:59,359 » I speak. >> Yeah, you you can speak. It's your 672 00:53:58,720 --> 00:54:05,839 staff, >> right? So 673 00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:11,359 yeah, it's it's it's it's uh town staff and um you know, we we established this 674 00:54:08,559 --> 00:54:15,920 position I think about six years ago, uh communications officer and without a 675 00:54:14,079 --> 00:54:20,400 policy in support of it because we weren't really sure exactly what it was 676 00:54:18,720 --> 00:54:26,480 going to look like. We got a we got a fantastic person to fill the role and I 677 00:54:22,240 --> 00:54:30,640 he's done a great job and you know the the recent discussion just brought to 678 00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:34,720 light that we really don't have we have different expectations or different 679 00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:41,440 perceptions of of what the rules should be or are. And you know, you speak to 680 00:54:38,079 --> 00:54:46,640 staff through policy. And the best way that we can all get on the same page is 681 00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:50,160 is to put a policy proposal in front of you to have you have you look at and 682 00:54:48,559 --> 00:54:54,640 criticize and tear apart and make it right, make it your own, and then then 683 00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:58,720 staff have clear direction on service expectations from council as a whole. 684 00:54:56,960 --> 00:55:04,400 It's a policy. It can be changed in seven days, right? So it doesn't have to 685 00:55:01,119 --> 00:55:08,079 be perfect and forever, but it needs to be something that that that staff can 686 00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:12,079 can work under as their as their operating parameters. And when an issue 687 00:55:10,240 --> 00:55:16,559 comes up, and it and it will happen, an issue will come up that we didn't 688 00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:20,800 anticipate that we want to do that that or don't want to do that policy doesn't 689 00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:25,040 really provide us the the right guidance. that's when it can come back 690 00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:30,960 to this table or as as Mike and I have discussed there will be things that that 691 00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:35,440 in with with a with a policy in place as well intended as we'll be there will be 692 00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:40,720 something that will occur that we just simply cannot follow the policy for for 693 00:55:38,319 --> 00:55:46,480 good reason and we'll keep an out clause in the policy that will allow the CAO to 694 00:55:44,319 --> 00:55:52,240 to kind of pull rank on behalf of council so in a in a situation I would 695 00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:59,040 imagine is is imagine a really reprehensible group um meets meets the 696 00:55:56,400 --> 00:56:05,920 requirements of the policy to receive town um support or or or sharing on our 697 00:56:03,599 --> 00:56:11,440 social media platforms where it really is objectionable and yet they've slipped 698 00:56:08,319 --> 00:56:15,760 through a a a loophole in our policy. That's where we would use that authority 699 00:56:13,119 --> 00:56:20,640 is is to protect council reputationally from doing something that that really 700 00:56:18,079 --> 00:56:25,200 would be offensive to the community. So let us let us try to draft something. 701 00:56:23,119 --> 00:56:31,280 It's not going to be everything to all people, but it will be a start and we'll 702 00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:34,880 focus the discussion on on the pros and the cons, the wise, the why nots. And 703 00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:39,920 ultimately what we're looking for is is is guidance in in the form of policy for 704 00:56:37,599 --> 00:56:44,160 staff to go forward. I think we're mature enough into this or Mike as our 705 00:56:42,319 --> 00:56:47,520 communications officer has enough experience. He has a network of 706 00:56:45,599 --> 00:56:51,359 colleagues around the province that that he can call on to to look at their 707 00:56:49,359 --> 00:56:54,480 policies to understand what their what their experiences have been that we can 708 00:56:53,119 --> 00:56:58,319 bring you forward bring forward something that uh that if it's not 709 00:56:56,880 --> 00:57:02,960 exactly what you're looking for will at least focus the discussion on the issues 710 00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:05,960 that uh that uh that we need to focus on. 711 00:57:08,079 --> 00:57:16,079 » Derek, [clears throat] >> sorry. Um, I guess my thoughts on it 712 00:57:12,240 --> 00:57:20,559 were or are um I didn't know there wasn't a policy. So, I kind of feel bad 713 00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:24,640 for Mike at this point that um he's kind of been operating without one. And 714 00:57:22,319 --> 00:57:30,000 that's not a crit criticism of anybody, but I think I I definitely think we need 715 00:57:26,799 --> 00:57:34,319 some kind of a policy. Um, and I just assumed 716 00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:37,920 I was under the understanding that we would post things like that. um because 717 00:57:36,319 --> 00:57:43,359 I've seen it done like we've we've done it in in other times. Um but I think I I 718 00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:50,000 think I missed some emails while I was away as well. Um as I mentioned before, 719 00:57:46,559 --> 00:57:55,920 sometimes emails come into into uh threads. So I hadn't read everything. I 720 00:57:53,119 --> 00:57:59,839 I eventually did read everything, but um when I responded and said I can't 721 00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:03,440 remember exactly what I said, but I think you know we may be looking at 722 00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:06,880 posting something about the car show. Um, 723 00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:12,319 and that's not certainly not a criticism of somebody not like Mike not doing it. 724 00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:16,720 Um, I just I thought we've done it before and I thought it makes sense to 725 00:58:14,319 --> 00:58:21,440 do. But that's exactly why we need a policy so that it's not it's not up in 726 00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:26,799 the air to see, you know, if that's not the route that is chosen, then it's much 727 00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:29,839 easier to know we don't go that route. Um, but without a policy, I think it I 728 00:58:28,799 --> 00:58:34,079 think that's what's adding to the confusion. So, um, I'm definitely in 729 00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:39,839 favor of of getting staff to work on a policy of some sort. 730 00:58:37,119 --> 00:58:43,920 » Thank you. >> I just have a quick question. Who 731 00:58:41,359 --> 00:58:47,599 develops the policy as the criteria, the details of that policy? Is it one one or 732 00:58:45,839 --> 00:58:50,319 two people around this table? Is it no one around this table? 733 00:58:48,559 --> 00:58:53,359 » It's it's nobody around this table. You all you all have an opportunity. You're 734 00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:58,160 speaking now and that's helpful to hear perspectives, but uh 735 00:58:55,119 --> 00:59:02,319 » the draft policy will come from staff uh for your consideration. it'll be back at 736 00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:07,680 this table with a document to you for you to uh tear apart or to to tell us 737 00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:12,880 what you like, what you don't like, and ultimately as a group decide. 738 00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:17,319 » Okay, that's my question. Thank you. >> Go ahead. 739 00:59:13,839 --> 00:59:17,319 » Okay. Um 740 00:59:17,599 --> 00:59:24,559 I always the word policy sometimes scares the heck out of me. I'll be 741 00:59:22,559 --> 00:59:30,079 honest with you because I find governmentally, 742 00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:36,559 you know, things become fixed without room for maneuvering. And so policies 743 00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:43,280 kind of make me nervous that way because I tend not to ride that way. It's not 744 00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:47,359 how I normally operate. So, thank you CEO for the way you worded that because 745 00:59:45,599 --> 00:59:52,079 it it makes me feel better. Gives me more um a little more ease. And I do 746 00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:57,920 agree that there should be some kind of a policy in place. I've I've never 747 00:59:55,280 --> 01:00:02,319 worked uh within a communications area where there wasn't some kind of a 748 00:59:59,359 --> 01:00:08,240 policy. Um which takes me to the next bit. I am 749 01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:15,280 doing a job very similar to what Mike is doing right now. And I got to tell you, 750 01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:22,160 to me, what worries me is that, you know, you Mike has a lot to communicate 751 01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:26,559 » within the town. There's a lot going on. And no, I'm not kissing up to you. Um, 752 01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:30,720 but it's it's busy enough and it's important 753 01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:34,160 enough. Like when I'm doing social media, there's 754 01:00:32,559 --> 01:00:40,240 there's one thing that gives always gives me pause because you want what 755 01:00:37,119 --> 01:00:44,880 you're putting down as the person who's sending that out and as the organization 756 01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:50,559 is sending that out, a you want it to represent the organization, but also B, 757 01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:55,599 you want it to have impact. And if you're sending out too much stuff, like 758 01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:59,920 if you're just sending out a mish mash of stuff, it becomes a bit of a slop and 759 01:00:57,839 --> 01:01:04,000 nobody's necessarily going to see it. And that's just that's just 760 01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:10,319 knowledge. That's just professional experience. So you have to be cautious, 761 01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:16,640 but at the same time, there are key huge things that it's 762 01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:21,599 great to encourage. Maybe not the day of like it's it's fine to take. There were 763 01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:26,640 plenty of pictures out there of what was going on with the car show, for example. 764 01:01:24,160 --> 01:01:32,720 The buildup to it, having a a post or two, I I see no problem with, but 765 01:01:30,160 --> 01:01:40,799 you know, there's a there's a line that you have to kind of draw uh because 766 01:01:36,559 --> 01:01:46,720 we as counselors, that's our job. We have a job to communicate what's going 767 01:01:43,839 --> 01:01:52,559 on within the town from our vantage point. It's it's it's like that that is 768 01:01:50,559 --> 01:01:56,720 that's part of the communication to me. It's almost should be part of the 769 01:01:54,000 --> 01:02:02,000 communications policy in its own way. And I know it it can't be, but when you 770 01:02:00,079 --> 01:02:05,839 think about it, we have a job to communicate things that are going on 771 01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:11,119 within the town and our interpretation of them. I mean, that that's for us to 772 01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:15,200 do. So, that's that's a really important piece to this. And the other part is and 773 01:02:13,359 --> 01:02:21,680 and I think it's been touched upon but let we can make it very clear if you 774 01:02:17,680 --> 01:02:26,319 push one you have to push them all and there's a lot going on and it be it 775 01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:32,799 becomes an impossibility. I mean, we've had discussions uh about setting up a a 776 01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:39,680 website or a Facebook page and a website actually keeping calendar straight and 777 01:02:35,839 --> 01:02:44,240 and uh doing you know encouraging and promoting things that are going on. Not 778 01:02:41,680 --> 01:02:51,280 not me and you we but more of an editorial we I suppose the work to do 779 01:02:47,839 --> 01:02:57,119 that would be almost impossible. It's it would be very very hard to do. 780 01:02:54,640 --> 01:03:01,359 It just you have to walk a fine line because 781 01:02:58,960 --> 01:03:06,079 when it comes to these kind of things, you know, who's going to be mad that you 782 01:03:02,799 --> 01:03:10,520 left them out? Um so there's there's care that has to be taken. That's all. 783 01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:19,839 » Go ahead. if it alleviates any concerns regarding policy. Um, one of the most 784 01:03:17,680 --> 01:03:25,920 ethical persons that I ever worked with um once described policy as a guide to 785 01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:30,319 the wise and a rule for the fool because it can be amended. We've all voted on 786 01:03:28,319 --> 01:03:34,319 amendments at this table. Um, if we don't get it perfect the first time, 787 01:03:31,520 --> 01:03:42,319 we'll fix it. But it does give you a it's a guide and sometimes guide rails 788 01:03:38,079 --> 01:03:49,520 are good. So, I I I don't I'm not concerned about developing a policy um 789 01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:52,240 because I know we can we can fix it. >> Good. 790 01:03:51,039 --> 01:03:57,280 » Go ahead. Uh Derek, >> just one thing I was going to add that I 791 01:03:53,599 --> 01:04:01,440 forgot um but I think the CEO mentioned it is the jurisdictional like what are 792 01:03:59,839 --> 01:04:04,559 other communities doing? And I think that's the most important if you know 793 01:04:03,119 --> 01:04:08,480 that we're in line with what everybody else is doing. Um, and I don't know what 794 01:04:06,799 --> 01:04:12,640 other like I'm not following other Facebook groups to see what they're 795 01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:17,720 doing. So, um, I think that part's an important which I think you mentioned 796 01:04:13,839 --> 01:04:17,720 would be part of it. So, 797 01:04:18,640 --> 01:04:21,640 um, 798 01:04:22,720 --> 01:04:30,400 another conversation for another time, [laughter] but they're all shutting down 799 01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:35,119 their comments. They're they're starting one at a time 800 01:04:32,079 --> 01:04:38,640 to to shut down their comments. So that's up to you. You you've done that 801 01:04:36,960 --> 01:04:43,359 on some. >> So So but that's the issue, right? 802 01:04:40,880 --> 01:04:49,920 » Yeah. It's up to you. >> I think that if if if we are going to 803 01:04:46,480 --> 01:04:55,119 exercise discretion that that shuts off a community engagement 804 01:04:52,240 --> 01:05:00,000 situation and be kind of leaving it on one person's shoulders without any 805 01:04:57,680 --> 01:05:04,880 criteria that he's going to exercise his judgment on. I think that's what I'd 806 01:05:01,359 --> 01:05:11,039 like to see in the policy is is the the topic of of online commenting and what 807 01:05:08,480 --> 01:05:16,559 criteria the communications officer might use to determine when and when not 808 01:05:14,079 --> 01:05:21,599 to have commenting on. And as an example, um, 809 01:05:19,520 --> 01:05:25,520 uh, in an emergency situation, right, where we're trying to get factual 810 01:05:23,039 --> 01:05:31,520 information out to out to citizens, but the communications officer might not be 811 01:05:28,240 --> 01:05:36,000 the the source of all all information to answer all questions. We might want to 812 01:05:33,599 --> 01:05:40,960 shut comments off so that what sits on online are the facts themselves and and 813 01:05:39,280 --> 01:05:48,240 allow, you know, through press conferences or whatnot, uh, the the, um, 814 01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:52,640 supplementary information be provided by by the appropriate officials. So that's 815 01:05:50,799 --> 01:05:56,319 just an example. I know it's it's something that municipalities are doing 816 01:05:54,079 --> 01:05:59,599 and that's why the jurisdictional scan is important to see what what other 817 01:05:58,400 --> 01:06:05,680 lessons have been learned in other jurisdictions that we're bound to learn 818 01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:08,160 uh but maybe haven't yet. >> Go ahead. 819 01:06:07,039 --> 01:06:14,720 » Thank you. [clears throat] Um, I think that the point about 820 01:06:11,039 --> 01:06:20,559 comments is important because if you're if you're an institution in a in on a 821 01:06:18,240 --> 01:06:23,559 social platform um 822 01:06:23,680 --> 01:06:35,599 if it's important that comments be moderated and it's impossible to 823 01:06:30,319 --> 01:06:43,520 moderate comments in real time and it it just it does create the potential for 824 01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:49,760 for risk to the organization because once it's out there and it's on your 825 01:06:46,880 --> 01:06:53,920 platform, it's very difficult to rein that back. So, I I mean, I think it's 826 01:06:52,000 --> 01:07:00,559 something that you need to look at very very clearly. Anyway, I just uh I wanted 827 01:06:57,359 --> 01:07:04,319 to just acknowledge that this is a deliberative body and we've had a 828 01:07:02,640 --> 01:07:09,920 terrific conversation here this afternoon. 829 01:07:07,200 --> 01:07:15,280 um that will help staff. I hope that was my intention in commenting 830 01:07:12,640 --> 01:07:20,640 um understand where we feel as a community 831 01:07:18,480 --> 01:07:25,680 and there's a diversity opinion across the table um and that you can help you 832 01:07:23,599 --> 01:07:31,440 can take that into account when you're framing this policy. But ultimately 833 01:07:29,119 --> 01:07:37,920 um I just think it's really important for us to acknowledge that this 834 01:07:35,200 --> 01:07:42,960 the communications director reports to our CEO. He does not report to us and we 835 01:07:41,039 --> 01:07:50,160 should be not be we should not be directing the the communications and I 836 01:07:45,680 --> 01:07:55,119 think that's where the whole issue began with the recognition that maybe we need 837 01:07:51,920 --> 01:07:56,960 a communications policy. So >> we do 838 01:07:55,520 --> 01:08:00,319 » and I agree with your comments with regard to email 839 01:07:58,720 --> 01:08:02,240 » discussions. It's just um >> it's trouble. 840 01:08:01,280 --> 01:08:07,760 » It's a problem. Yeah. >> Yeah. Trouble. 841 01:08:04,960 --> 01:08:14,240 » Okay. So we're good. All right. All those in favor? 842 01:08:10,480 --> 01:08:20,400 » I contrary motion carried. So we've got correspondence here. Uh the Nova Scotia 843 01:08:17,120 --> 01:08:24,560 Health 911 calls. So, 844 01:08:22,560 --> 01:08:27,199 and we've got actually we've got a a motion underneath there. Was there 845 01:08:26,159 --> 01:08:33,920 anything we had to do with that correspondence one? 846 01:08:30,080 --> 01:08:39,440 Okay. And then Chester's cab request, does that go to 847 01:08:36,880 --> 01:08:44,880 Adam or I mean we've we've got that's what we do is set. So what what I would 848 01:08:42,719 --> 01:08:48,239 suggest you do is >> because that is a part of our bylaw 849 01:08:46,640 --> 01:08:52,880 setting rates, you could [snorts] refer this to staff for for a report. Uh if 850 01:08:51,279 --> 01:08:56,640 you're not interested in a staff report, if you're not interested in the concept 851 01:08:54,719 --> 01:09:00,799 and then then make that decision and and we'll be done with it. Uh if you are 852 01:08:58,719 --> 01:09:05,040 interested in it, uh refer to staff and we'll give you a report on on perhaps 853 01:09:02,560 --> 01:09:08,799 how to do it. You can do a one-off, but I don't recommend it. 854 01:09:05,920 --> 01:09:14,920 » No, I don't either. Okay. So what do you what do you want to do? I mean, I'm a 855 01:09:10,640 --> 01:09:14,920 fan of just leaving it. 856 01:09:15,600 --> 01:09:21,199 » Refer to staff. >> Okay, there's a refer to staff. I'm not 857 01:09:19,120 --> 01:09:26,880 a refer to staff, but >> for me, and that again, it's just my 858 01:09:23,600 --> 01:09:30,719 opinion. Uh, but the guy is just running his own business and he's trying to do 859 01:09:28,480 --> 01:09:34,480 it in a particular way with a little bit of promotion. And I really don't see a 860 01:09:32,799 --> 01:09:39,279 problem with it. But that's again, that's just me. So, I think you're 861 01:09:36,960 --> 01:09:43,759 right. Absolutely right. If if it's okay for one, it's okay for everyone. So 862 01:09:41,520 --> 01:09:47,279 maybe that has to that requires whatever it requires, be it an amendment or a 863 01:09:45,679 --> 01:09:50,480 policy or whatever. >> But uh I have zero problem with this at 864 01:09:49,839 --> 01:09:58,719 all. >> Okay. So um so answer me this question. 865 01:09:55,520 --> 01:10:05,760 We have a policy I think in part we used to have a taxi committee. I wasn't here 866 01:10:02,400 --> 01:10:09,920 but we had a taxi committee and um it's that 867 01:10:08,159 --> 01:10:14,000 We set the rates partially, I would suggest, because of the race to the 868 01:10:11,280 --> 01:10:16,960 bottom. So if it's 10, then I'm going to do it for nine, then I'm going to do it 869 01:10:15,199 --> 01:10:22,640 for eight, then I'm then nobody's winning. Nobody's getting anything. So 870 01:10:19,920 --> 01:10:30,239 as soon as he does this, the rest of them are going to feel compelled to do 871 01:10:24,560 --> 01:10:33,840 it. Um, and then they're losing five or they're losing whatever. That's just my 872 01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:37,840 thought. But anyway, if somebody wants to make a motion to do whatever, then 873 01:10:36,719 --> 01:10:43,120 this is that to me this is dangerous ground to 874 01:10:39,920 --> 01:10:47,760 walk on although I it's his it's his business so he can do it but just get 875 01:10:45,120 --> 01:10:51,199 ready for the rest of them to come and um 876 01:10:49,520 --> 01:10:55,520 » and we'll have to do it for all >> so your worship uh taxi rates are are 877 01:10:53,760 --> 01:10:58,719 regulated through our taxi >> bylaw 878 01:10:56,640 --> 01:11:06,159 » there is a provision within the bylaw I'm told to that council can can make uh 879 01:11:02,480 --> 01:11:10,640 rate decisions um it's not clear on through what mechanism them if it's 880 01:11:07,600 --> 01:11:15,600 policy or by motion or by law amendment. But um my suggestion to you because I I 881 01:11:13,360 --> 01:11:19,440 I believe exactly what you said is that nobody's getting rich in the taxi 882 01:11:17,120 --> 01:11:24,320 business. It's an important service to have in a community and so you need to 883 01:11:21,199 --> 01:11:29,760 protect against the race to the bottom that uh that it is a a business that 884 01:11:27,120 --> 01:11:36,880 someone can get into and and earn a reasonable living. Um the the idea of 885 01:11:33,679 --> 01:11:40,960 discounting below the the floor uh if it's done through a bylaw amendment 886 01:11:38,880 --> 01:11:44,480 would bring about a public hearing because we don't have an advisory 887 01:11:42,400 --> 01:11:49,520 committee on this anymore. A public hearing would allow other operators to 888 01:11:46,880 --> 01:11:54,320 to weigh in on the on the question to participate in the public uh process. So 889 01:11:52,239 --> 01:11:58,520 that's likely the kind of information you'll get back in a staff report. 890 01:12:02,400 --> 01:12:09,600 Okay, go ahead. >> Yeah, just quickly, um, it occurs to me 891 01:12:06,800 --> 01:12:13,520 that by >> we, like they said, we have a taxi board 892 01:12:11,679 --> 01:12:18,320 or committee that sets the rates >> and we're discussing allowing one 893 01:12:16,719 --> 01:12:22,880 operator to change the rates because that's in effect what he's doing. He's 894 01:12:20,320 --> 01:12:26,480 changing the rates. He's he's knocking a percentage off each ride. Mhm. 895 01:12:24,800 --> 01:12:31,600 » Um, so I think it's dangerous to go down that road without consulting with the 896 01:12:28,320 --> 01:12:34,560 people that are um that set those rates without and and it would affect the 897 01:12:33,040 --> 01:12:37,600 bylaw. So I think it has to be referred to staff. 898 01:12:35,280 --> 01:12:42,480 » Yeah, we Yeah. >> Okay. So it's getting is that a motion 899 01:12:40,480 --> 01:12:44,960 to refer to staff? Okay. Can I have a seconder? 900 01:12:43,360 --> 01:12:50,159 » Okay. Moved and seconded. Any more discussion on this one? 901 01:12:47,440 --> 01:12:56,080 Okay. All those in favor? >> Contrary and me. 902 01:12:52,960 --> 01:13:02,000 Okay. Good. And then we have engineering. I don't 903 01:12:59,360 --> 01:13:06,840 know what I have. Okay. We have uh the vending bylaw amendment proposal. 904 01:13:09,280 --> 01:13:11,880 Okay. [sighs] 905 01:13:12,480 --> 01:13:20,800 So, your worship, this letter um is a proposal to amend the bylaw to extend 906 01:13:17,120 --> 01:13:26,400 the hours till 3:30 a.m. that a uh a vendor could uh vend in the downtown. 907 01:13:23,360 --> 01:13:33,600 The proposal is that there are hungry people late late at night, way past my 908 01:13:29,360 --> 01:13:41,120 bedtime. and uh and this uh proprietor is is encouraging a bylaw amendment so 909 01:13:36,320 --> 01:13:44,120 that uh they can satisfy the need. >> Okay. 910 01:13:45,360 --> 01:13:49,480 What do we want to do with this one? 911 01:13:52,080 --> 01:13:59,280 » Go ahead. I'm not sure about the hours, but 912 01:13:55,920 --> 01:14:04,560 there's nothing inaccurate about this as far as if you go downtown on a Friday or 913 01:14:01,360 --> 01:14:10,000 Saturday night, sometimes after 8, there's nothing like we searched for a 914 01:14:06,880 --> 01:14:14,159 pizza to buy. KFC was closed. That one was closed. That like you you can't buy 915 01:14:12,159 --> 01:14:19,360 food anywhere if you're out with a group of people or alone or whatever. um a lot 916 01:14:17,600 --> 01:14:26,000 of times after 8, but definitely after 10, which I don't think is reasonable if 917 01:14:22,640 --> 01:14:30,800 there's a provision that we could create to to 918 01:14:28,239 --> 01:14:34,800 have a person be able to open up and sell some food after those hours. I'm 919 01:14:32,800 --> 01:14:40,239 not saying 3:00 a.m. I don't know if that's a good time or not. I don't know. 920 01:14:37,199 --> 01:14:45,280 But we definitely need we definitely need something done so people can buy 921 01:14:42,560 --> 01:14:48,719 food. I mean tourists come, they go for a walk, they go to the beach, they go 922 01:14:46,640 --> 01:14:54,080 see the lighthouse, they go around and then come back and what do you buy? Like 923 01:14:52,000 --> 01:15:01,239 everything's closed. So just just an option possibly for 924 01:14:56,400 --> 01:15:01,239 those people, travelers and locals. 925 01:15:02,880 --> 01:15:09,840 No person with or without a vending permit. 926 01:15:07,679 --> 01:15:16,000 Okay, here. No person with or without a vending permit shall vend between 3:00 927 01:15:13,199 --> 01:15:21,760 a.m. and 8:00 a.m. Oh, okay. They're saying they don't want 928 01:15:17,760 --> 01:15:25,600 to do They're saying up to 3. So, so the current bylaw allows you to bend up 929 01:15:23,520 --> 01:15:31,679 until 11 p.m. >> Uh, and the proposal that uh this vendor 930 01:15:28,960 --> 01:15:36,640 is is brought forward is uh >> I believe it's 3 3:00 a.m. So allowed to 931 01:15:34,640 --> 01:15:42,400 vend until 3:00 a.m. So extend the vending time by 4 hours. It doesn't mean 932 01:15:39,360 --> 01:15:47,199 a vendor has to, but it means they may if they so choose if the bylaw amendment 933 01:15:44,800 --> 01:15:50,520 were if the amendment were to be taken up by council. 934 01:15:52,080 --> 01:15:59,679 Go ahead. >> Can't see a downside to this one 935 01:15:56,080 --> 01:16:04,239 at all. I agree with uh with uh Kelly. It's uh it seems to me to be a 936 01:16:01,840 --> 01:16:09,920 no-brainer. Um there's a lot of bar traffic that gets out at 2:00 and 937 01:16:06,480 --> 01:16:13,679 they're usually hungry. Um and uh and there's a lot of people that work night 938 01:16:11,040 --> 01:16:18,640 shifts. So, it would accommodate those two groups of people and it would um it 939 01:16:16,320 --> 01:16:22,120 would be beneficial to the vendors. don't see a downside. 940 01:16:22,960 --> 01:16:28,640 » Go ahead, Derek. >> Uh, I had my light on earlier and I took 941 01:16:25,679 --> 01:16:32,239 it off because I'm definitely not um an expert on policy. So, I don't know what 942 01:16:30,480 --> 01:16:36,400 this means if if something were to change, but um I agree. I think it I 943 01:16:35,280 --> 01:16:41,040 think it would make sense to have something open because there is no place 944 01:16:38,000 --> 01:16:45,520 open at night. I think we've all said it as well is if we want the downtown to be 945 01:16:43,760 --> 01:16:49,440 busier, we need things to be open in the downtown. But we can't expect shop 946 01:16:47,840 --> 01:16:53,600 owners to stay open if they're not getting the business. So, it's it's like 947 01:16:52,080 --> 01:16:56,320 a it's a double-edged sword because they don't want to stay open and not get the 948 01:16:54,880 --> 01:17:00,400 business. We can't guarantee them the business, but if somebody starts vending 949 01:16:58,320 --> 01:17:03,920 and starts making good money at it, then maybe the shop owners will say it's 950 01:17:02,000 --> 01:17:09,120 worth staying open and, you know, serving sandwiches or something. Um, but 951 01:17:06,960 --> 01:17:17,120 it would make it'd be nice. And I think the um 8:00 a.m. changing from I think 952 01:17:14,080 --> 01:17:22,960 it was 11:00 a.m. or 1. >> Yeah. From 11 till 3 there's nothing 953 01:17:20,239 --> 01:17:27,280 » or no from 3 till 8. >> And I'm thinking I'm thinking 8:00 a.m. 954 01:17:24,880 --> 01:17:31,199 is probably for people going in the morning for before they get on the boat. 955 01:17:29,920 --> 01:17:36,239 But there are things open at 8:00 in the morning. So I don't but I think I'm just 956 01:17:33,280 --> 01:17:40,880 looking at the old policy. Yeah, the old policy said so it's just 957 01:17:38,400 --> 01:17:44,159 switching the 11 to three, >> I guess. 958 01:17:41,600 --> 01:17:45,600 » Whatever. Sorry. Whatever hours we would want to put on there, 959 01:17:45,120 --> 01:17:49,360 » right? >> Just do 24 hours. I don't care. 960 01:17:47,760 --> 01:17:52,719 » Yeah, I think it I think it looks good. I just don't know what it what the 961 01:17:50,960 --> 01:17:56,960 implications are of, you know, changing policy after the discussion we just had. 962 01:17:54,960 --> 01:18:02,880 So, >> good. Go ahead. kind of in the same way 963 01:18:00,080 --> 01:18:07,199 that uh we talked about the uh the taxi policy, although I do understand your 964 01:18:05,679 --> 01:18:11,840 points with that. We're not going to get into that again, but every time 965 01:18:09,760 --> 01:18:16,239 something that we do tells a business how they can 966 01:18:13,840 --> 01:18:21,920 run their business, it makes me itchy. And so I really wasn't paying that close 967 01:18:19,600 --> 01:18:26,719 attention to know that there was a rule against vendors being open beyond a 968 01:18:24,400 --> 01:18:31,600 certain time. If they're going to make money, let them do it. I I just I don't 969 01:18:29,440 --> 01:18:37,600 see a problem. And it also feels a little hypocritical for us to be trying, 970 01:18:34,880 --> 01:18:42,400 I know as a person who's involved in tourism, you you're trying to in 971 01:18:40,000 --> 01:18:48,080 encourage as many businesses downtown as possible, uh to stay open for the boats 972 01:18:45,760 --> 01:18:52,159 or for whatever to create kind of that that final downtown that we were looking 973 01:18:50,320 --> 01:18:56,600 for. Telling people they have to close down seems kind of counterproductive. 974 01:18:58,000 --> 01:19:06,800 Um I I I agree like let them open. My only 975 01:19:04,159 --> 01:19:10,880 I think of the downside as where are you going to be because it's obviously 976 01:19:08,560 --> 01:19:15,920 mobile, right? Where are you going to be? So you're not going to plant 977 01:19:12,880 --> 01:19:19,480 yourself where there's um how do you say people what what 978 01:19:20,400 --> 01:19:24,560 » Yeah. Okay. >> You can't just walk. 979 01:19:23,199 --> 01:19:31,040 » All right. Because the last thing you need at three o'clock in the morning is, 980 01:19:27,679 --> 01:19:35,520 you know, people leaving the bars and making lots of noise. 981 01:19:32,800 --> 01:19:38,880 » Oh, you like that? Let them open. >> Best hot dogs in the world were outback 982 01:19:37,760 --> 01:19:41,610 steamers. >> Yes, sir. [laughter] 983 01:19:42,480 --> 01:19:48,560 » Yeah. Yeah. 984 01:19:45,920 --> 01:19:56,400 But there are no houses there. Okay. So, um, what do you want to do 985 01:19:52,320 --> 01:19:58,480 with this? Do you want to send it? >> Chamber. Oh, sorry. 986 01:19:58,080 --> 01:20:03,120 » Oh, just >> come on up, M. Go ahead. [laughter] 987 01:20:00,719 --> 01:20:09,760 » Oh my gosh. I I should know this, but can you remind me where people are 988 01:20:05,440 --> 01:20:14,960 allowed to vend in the town of Yarmouth >> because things change. I know where they 989 01:20:12,080 --> 01:20:18,159 I'm just I'm just trying to remember. Is there 990 01:20:15,840 --> 01:20:22,000 » Can they vend anywhere or they only >> Well, I thought there were spaces. Do 991 01:20:19,920 --> 01:20:25,040 you remember where? Well, that was that was a long time ago. 992 01:20:24,640 --> 01:20:28,159 » Water >> street. 993 01:20:26,719 --> 01:20:31,840 » Yeah, there's there's a bylaw. There's designated areas. We can look it up, but 994 01:20:29,840 --> 01:20:34,800 it's not as it's not as uh >> it's like they can't park in front of my 995 01:20:33,360 --> 01:20:37,840 house. That's what I [laughter] was thinking. Like, I don't want to 996 01:20:36,080 --> 01:20:41,840 » It's not as limiting as it as it used to be. You had You used to get a right to a 997 01:20:39,840 --> 01:20:46,719 very specific spot and we had them painted on the street. Now it's more you 998 01:20:44,239 --> 01:20:48,159 can vend in an area, take a spot in an area. 999 01:20:47,199 --> 01:20:52,480 » That's okay then. >> Yeah. 1000 01:20:49,040 --> 01:20:56,239 » Okay. What's up, Martin? >> Nothing. I can just retrieve back to my 1001 01:20:54,560 --> 01:21:01,440 spot, but essentially it was the it's the location and and I think you said it 1002 01:20:58,560 --> 01:21:04,880 as well, mayor. Um, do you feel as a body to refer back to us? Be happy to 1003 01:21:03,440 --> 01:21:08,880 look at it, work with it, and sort of come back with something that addresses 1004 01:21:07,199 --> 01:21:13,520 general nature of the discussion because I mean 7:30 is a bit odd as well if you 1005 01:21:10,960 --> 01:21:17,040 ask me, you know. Um and so we'd be happy to sort of look at it, work with 1006 01:21:15,199 --> 01:21:21,840 Adam and then come back with a package and a set of amendments that um 1007 01:21:19,520 --> 01:21:25,920 hopefully reflects uh the discussion and then have you vote on that. But I think 1008 01:21:23,760 --> 01:21:29,120 there's a general the sentiment um around our office I think is very 1009 01:21:27,360 --> 01:21:32,000 similar to what you've been saying and happy to look at it and bring you 1010 01:21:30,560 --> 01:21:38,000 something that you can work with. >> Okay. So so the motion go ahead. So I'd 1011 01:21:35,360 --> 01:21:42,640 make a motion to refer this to our planning and development office ask for 1012 01:21:41,760 --> 01:21:46,480 more work. Yes. >> Is there an understanding at the with 1013 01:21:44,080 --> 01:21:50,239 the understanding of that we are interested in seeing them open? 1014 01:21:48,960 --> 01:21:54,239 » We'll try to get it back to you as soon as we can. 1015 01:21:51,440 --> 01:21:56,159 » Don't even set it. 24 hours. >> 24 open up. 1016 01:21:55,600 --> 01:21:58,719 » You said it. >> So when Jeff comes to work, he can grab 1017 01:21:57,679 --> 01:22:02,239 a coffee. >> It's really about the location, right? 1018 01:22:00,239 --> 01:22:05,360 Like there's really very little reason why we should restrict the hours as long 1019 01:22:03,920 --> 01:22:09,199 as the location is correct. >> Exactly. 1020 01:22:06,639 --> 01:22:14,400 » But that's me without speaking with people who really understand this. 1021 01:22:11,280 --> 01:22:18,800 » Yeah. Okay. Can I have a seconder? Moved and seconded. Any more discussion? 1022 01:22:17,280 --> 01:22:28,080 All those in favor? >> I contrary motion carried. 1023 01:22:22,719 --> 01:22:31,920 Okay. Next is Okay. 911 calls. The recommended motion there is to 1024 01:22:30,000 --> 01:22:36,320 recommend the council direct staff to build the department of health for the 1025 01:22:33,520 --> 01:22:41,760 cost of false 911 calls originating from the Yarmouth Regional Hospital. Were we 1026 01:22:38,800 --> 01:22:45,840 not going to give them I I think I wrote these two, but we agreed that we were 1027 01:22:43,679 --> 01:22:50,080 going to give them a heads up. >> Yeah, you can't just send somebody bill. 1028 01:22:47,679 --> 01:22:54,800 You certainly can't send it retroactive uh without any notice. So, we would 1029 01:22:51,920 --> 01:22:58,800 provide them notice uh and as far as establishing that rate, we'll come back 1030 01:22:56,639 --> 01:23:00,960 to you with that. what the rate will be, >> okay? 1031 01:22:59,120 --> 01:23:05,120 » Uh and what it's based on. So, if the motion passes, it will be it won't be 1032 01:23:03,280 --> 01:23:09,679 just we'll run off willy-nilly and send a a bill. It will be we'll do a little 1033 01:23:07,440 --> 01:23:15,360 bit of work. We'll provide notice. We'll get you to endorse the the rate and we 1034 01:23:12,639 --> 01:23:19,017 will we will implement it. >> How long is that going to take? 1035 01:23:16,800 --> 01:23:21,037 » Not long. [laughter] 1036 01:23:21,760 --> 01:23:27,360 » Go ahead. >> Okay. 1037 01:23:24,800 --> 01:23:31,679 Um, in this case, you know, I read the letter that was sent by the vice 1038 01:23:28,639 --> 01:23:36,639 president and uh there's an admission that the efforts they put in so far have 1039 01:23:34,560 --> 01:23:41,520 fallen short. They've admitted that >> and there's also a recognition that the 1040 01:23:39,440 --> 01:23:44,320 problem is more complex than they originally thought. They thought that 1041 01:23:42,719 --> 01:23:48,639 they could just throw a few switches in their telecommunications 1042 01:23:46,159 --> 01:23:51,120 uh equipment and and all would be well. Mhm. 1043 01:23:49,280 --> 01:23:53,920 » And there's also the acknowledgement that they're seeking a permanent 1044 01:23:52,320 --> 01:23:58,159 solution and they've got their people on the job. It's an active priority for 1045 01:23:56,480 --> 01:24:04,080 them. >> And there's a I think a suggestion that 1046 01:24:02,239 --> 01:24:07,280 they would appreciate our patience. >> Y 1047 01:24:04,560 --> 01:24:11,920 » as they work for solutions. So I don't know if I'd support sending them a bill 1048 01:24:09,600 --> 01:24:17,040 at this point in time if they are um committed to finding a a solution. Um, 1049 01:24:15,360 --> 01:24:20,239 and we've lived with this problem for how many years? 1050 01:24:18,480 --> 01:24:23,120 » And I know we want to put an end to it. That's I understand that, 1051 01:24:21,440 --> 01:24:25,840 » but we've lived with it for so so many years. And this is the first time that 1052 01:24:24,239 --> 01:24:29,600 we've had this kind of an acknowledgement that they're taking the 1053 01:24:27,760 --> 01:24:32,880 situation seriously and they're going to work on it and find a solution. So, I 1054 01:24:31,600 --> 01:24:37,280 don't know if I could support a motion that we send them a bill. 1055 01:24:34,080 --> 01:24:41,920 » Yep. That's okay. >> Anyone else? 1056 01:24:40,080 --> 01:24:45,840 Um, see, we can't send it retroactive 1057 01:24:43,600 --> 01:24:50,560 because I would do that too. This has been since 2025. 1058 01:24:48,000 --> 01:24:57,280 So it takes a couple if it's going to take a couple years to 1059 01:24:53,360 --> 01:25:01,760 we are Yeah. My issue is our taxpayers are paying big money for RCMP officers 1060 01:24:59,679 --> 01:25:06,880 to run back and forth that many times. But that's that's just where I am. And 1061 01:25:05,040 --> 01:25:13,199 we're going to let them know according to this one if it goes through. 1062 01:25:10,000 --> 01:25:19,920 Anybody else? um your worship. Uh I joined council I 1063 01:25:16,159 --> 01:25:25,280 think in the fall of 21 and I'm pretty sure that the first 1064 01:25:22,639 --> 01:25:28,800 police advisory committee meeting that I attended this subject came up. 1065 01:25:28,080 --> 01:25:34,560 » Yeah. >> So we have been 1066 01:25:32,320 --> 01:25:36,960 communicating with the hospital >> years at least five years 1067 01:25:35,920 --> 01:25:39,960 » for a long time. >> Yeah. 1068 01:25:41,360 --> 01:25:48,880 It's just and and it's not from from my perspective. I'm not saying um we're 1069 01:25:47,280 --> 01:25:54,239 going to bill you because you won't fix it. That that's not it. They're working 1070 01:25:51,280 --> 01:25:59,920 on it and I respect that. Um what we're saying is you you can keep fixing it, 1071 01:25:57,360 --> 01:26:05,199 but you're costing us t you're costing our taxpayers money and that's we can't 1072 01:26:03,440 --> 01:26:10,800 we can't we're supposed to look after our taxpayers and their dollars. So, you 1073 01:26:08,719 --> 01:26:15,679 know, with that the police are stretched far enough without 1074 01:26:13,520 --> 01:26:18,719 But I I take Gil's point as well. Go ahead, uh Derek. 1075 01:26:16,719 --> 01:26:22,080 » Um yeah, and the quarterly report at the police advisory yesterday, the numbers 1076 01:26:20,560 --> 01:26:24,159 were consistent with what they've been for the last six years. 1077 01:26:23,679 --> 01:26:27,120 » Yeah. >> Um I think there's been times where 1078 01:26:26,080 --> 01:26:32,639 they've been a little higher and a little lower, but I was thinking this 1079 01:26:29,520 --> 01:26:37,920 report that they might be lower. And um but I've seen like walking up Chestnut 1080 01:26:34,960 --> 01:26:41,760 Street um and hearing the sirens racing up like when they get a 911 call they go 1081 01:26:40,560 --> 01:26:45,600 fast and they're you know they're getting to the end of Water Street and 1082 01:26:44,080 --> 01:26:49,760 turning the wrong way to get past that and it's it's dangerous when police cars 1083 01:26:48,080 --> 01:26:53,520 are going that fast to get there. But they have to react that way. But then 1084 01:26:52,080 --> 01:26:57,600 you've taken if there's only you know a couple members on you've taken those 1085 01:26:54,960 --> 01:27:01,840 members brought them to the hospital um and something else could be happening in 1086 01:26:59,040 --> 01:27:05,120 the town at the same time. So, um, I don't think it will ever probably get to 1087 01:27:03,120 --> 01:27:10,000 a point of billing them. I think I think the thought of this is going to cost 1088 01:27:08,320 --> 01:27:13,760 it's going to cost them because this, you know, the cost of what it costs for 1089 01:27:11,280 --> 01:27:14,960 policing might encourage them to do it a little faster. 1090 01:27:14,639 --> 01:27:19,280 » Yeah. >> Um, I think there's there's got to be a 1091 01:27:17,120 --> 01:27:26,880 there can't be a hard a difficult solution to this. I I I can't see it. 1092 01:27:22,800 --> 01:27:34,960 » Okay. All right. Any more discussion? All those in favor? I contrary. 1093 01:27:31,280 --> 01:27:40,560 » Okay. And the next re recommended motion is um to recommend that council direct 1094 01:27:37,920 --> 01:27:44,639 staff to investigate frequency and length of RCMP members tending to mental 1095 01:27:42,960 --> 01:27:49,199 health patients at the Yarmouth Regional Hospital due to lack of mental health 1096 01:27:46,960 --> 01:27:55,440 services and invoice the Department of Health for payment to the town. Um can I 1097 01:27:53,040 --> 01:27:59,840 have a motion on that one? Moved. Can I have a second? Moved and seconded. So 1098 01:27:57,760 --> 01:28:04,719 this one is it this one that was I mean there are 1099 01:28:02,000 --> 01:28:09,440 other municipalities billing because it's just it's just a high cost and 1100 01:28:07,440 --> 01:28:14,960 there's not sitting there for half an hour. They're sitting there for hours 1101 01:28:10,960 --> 01:28:19,920 upon hours upon hours doing basically babysitting mental health patients 1102 01:28:16,800 --> 01:28:27,280 because there's no uh mental health uh help up there in Yarmouth of all places. 1103 01:28:24,159 --> 01:28:31,280 Go ahead. I'm quite sure that at police advisory that it was mentioned I don't 1104 01:28:29,360 --> 01:28:36,719 know if it was it wasn't yesterday maybe the meeting before that the province is 1105 01:28:34,239 --> 01:28:38,719 looking at hiring people to sit at the hospital in place of that. 1106 01:28:38,239 --> 01:28:42,800 » Mhm. >> Um but I think if enough municipalities 1107 01:28:41,040 --> 01:28:45,120 start once again if they start billing they're going to hire them faster 1108 01:28:43,920 --> 01:28:49,360 because I don't know if I don't know what's incentivizing to hire 1109 01:28:47,120 --> 01:28:54,400 » you know I think policing right now for the ministers uh Minister Armstrong is 1110 01:28:51,760 --> 01:28:57,920 very important. Um, so I think, you know, they think they're going to be 1111 01:28:55,600 --> 01:29:01,360 getting a a bill for this, maybe they'll start hiring those other people to to be 1112 01:29:00,560 --> 01:29:06,960 there with them. So, >> yeah, it's a good point. Anyone else? 1113 01:29:05,360 --> 01:29:13,600 And I know that they're working on this because the the the RCMP has asked for 1114 01:29:09,120 --> 01:29:22,239 this. You know, it's not um we good. Okay. All those in favor? 1115 01:29:16,080 --> 01:29:26,239 » I contrary motion carried. Uh >> oh yeah. 1116 01:29:24,400 --> 01:29:31,360 » Oh yes. >> Uh Open Streets Milo Estates to 1117 01:29:29,199 --> 01:29:34,360 recommend the council designate bid 90338666. 1118 01:29:34,400 --> 01:29:43,520 90338674 and 903386 1119 01:29:40,000 --> 01:29:47,520 82 is open streets. >> Moved and seconded. Any discussion on 1120 01:29:45,360 --> 01:29:53,280 this one? All those in favor? I contrary 1121 01:29:51,520 --> 01:29:58,000 motion carried and I think the only addition I had was just committees in 1122 01:29:56,000 --> 01:30:01,760 October just to be think because we redo for committee members we have to look at 1123 01:30:00,320 --> 01:30:07,440 so if you're thinking about anybody that could be a committee member and then we 1124 01:30:04,080 --> 01:30:12,639 will sit around the table and switch up or do whatever we do uh in October. So 1125 01:30:10,480 --> 01:30:17,040 just be thinking about where you want to be and motion to go on camera. Uh 1126 01:30:16,480 --> 01:30:19,199 » oh, sorry. >> Could I ask that you adjourn this 1127 01:30:18,639 --> 01:30:21,840 meeting? >> Oh, yes. Yes. Yes. 1128 01:30:20,080 --> 01:30:22,960 » Special council meeting and go in camera there. 1129 01:30:22,480 --> 01:30:32,679 » Yeah, >> that unless does that work? 1130 01:30:26,320 --> 01:30:32,679 » Yeah. Okay. Um motion to adjourn 1131 01:30:32,800 --> 01:30:40,880 and then we're going to have a special council meeting. Better be quick because 1132 01:30:36,719 --> 01:30:45,360 Lindsay Okay, we good. All right. So, council meeting and all the same 1133 01:30:42,560 --> 01:30:49,199 information as before. Okay. What's your issue for this? What are we doing? I 1134 01:30:48,080 --> 01:30:52,440 don't >> Thank you. 1135 01:30:53,760 --> 01:31:02,880 » Got it. Yeah. Watch this. 1136 01:30:58,719 --> 01:31:07,280 You're going to I'm going to shock you. >> Thanks, guys. 1137 01:31:05,760 --> 01:31:11,520 Sorry. You go. 1138 01:31:10,000 --> 01:31:17,400 Call to order. Record of attendance absent with regrets. Any conflicts of 1139 01:31:14,000 --> 01:31:17,400 interest? Anybody? 1140 01:31:17,920 --> 01:31:26,480 Okay. U Okay. So, we've we've got um Okay. Can I have a motion to approve the 1141 01:31:23,920 --> 01:31:31,679 agenda, please? Moved and seconded. Any discussion? 1142 01:31:28,239 --> 01:31:37,679 All those in favor? I. Contrary. Motion carried. And we've got uh tender 1143 01:31:34,320 --> 01:31:43,040 results. 2026 compost. uh that council award the tender for the lease of two 1144 01:31:40,639 --> 01:31:50,520 skid steer loaders for the compost facility to to cat for a cost of $6,3495 1145 01:31:53,440 --> 01:31:56,840 per month. 1146 01:31:58,880 --> 01:32:05,639 Holy crap. Seriously, a month? Okay. 1147 01:32:05,679 --> 01:32:11,920 Okay. Okay. Can I have a motion? Thank you. Moved. 1148 01:32:09,120 --> 01:32:15,679 » Yeah. Can I have a >> very expensive? 1149 01:32:13,679 --> 01:32:17,760 » I'm like, >> do I have a seconder? 1150 01:32:16,560 --> 01:32:23,239 » Don't post a picture of it. >> No, I was just going to say and I 1151 01:32:19,040 --> 01:32:23,239 promise I won't vote. Thanks, Derek. 1152 01:32:23,280 --> 01:32:29,520 Who Who seconds? >> Thank you. Any discussion on this one? 1153 01:32:28,080 --> 01:32:37,040 Aside from the fact that that's really expensive. All those in favor? I 1154 01:32:33,360 --> 01:32:44,000 contrary motion carried uh personnel policy that council amend the personnel 1155 01:32:40,960 --> 01:32:48,000 policy to include 5.07 cent reduction policy. 1156 01:32:46,320 --> 01:32:53,360 Okay. Moved and seconded. Any discussion? 1157 01:32:49,600 --> 01:32:58,320 All those in favor? Contrary? Motion carried. And the council amends 1158 01:32:55,679 --> 01:33:04,800 section 5.02 of the personnel policy to include violence prevention. 1159 01:33:01,360 --> 01:33:08,080 Moved and seconded. Seconded. 1160 01:33:06,400 --> 01:33:14,560 All those in favor. [laughter] It's like pulling teeth. I'm not a dentist. All 1161 01:33:10,880 --> 01:33:19,280 those in favor? I. Contrary. Motion carried. And then a motion to go in 1162 01:33:17,120 --> 01:33:22,520 camera. Thank you.