[0:05] Okay, we'll call the committee of the
whole meeting to order. And I would like
[0:08] to acknowledge that we are holding this
meeting on the unseated lands of the
[0:11] migma. Uh, everyone's here. Any
declarations of conflict of interest?
[0:16] Anyone?
Good. Okay. Approval of agenda,
[0:22] additions, and deletions. We do have uh
uh additions. We have additions on the
[0:29] latest
the latest ones that were sent out. And
[0:33] I I was just going to add a 11c just a
reminder of the committee review and not
[0:41] for October.
Uh anything else? Anybody?
[0:48] Okay. Motion to approve the agenda with
the addition. Okay. Moved and seconded.
[0:53] Any discussion?
All those in favor? I contrary motion
[0:59] carried.
[1:02] No presentations.
Okay. Staff report CAO report. Anything
[1:07] there? Anyone?
[1:12] » Go ahead. Deputy,
>> could we get an update on the uh church
[1:15] on Argal Street and kind of where we are
and a timeline of uh when we can expect
[1:21] things in demolition to move forward?
>> I'll ask Deario if you'd like to speak
[1:25] to that.
[1:46] test test. Okay, perfect. Uh so yes, we
received the hazardous assessment report
[1:54] from uh design one uh today and I
reviewed that with Nick uh from Delmare.
[2:00] Uh there were some uh materials that
need to be abated. um uh that are
[2:08] present. And right now we have a a
tentative plan that will do a bit of
[2:14] abatement as a phase one and then we'll
have a phase two uh that will take care
[2:18] of the main demolition. Uh both of those
tent documents will start in earnest
[2:23] next week. We intend to
have the first phase one out to tender
[2:30] by the end of uh the first week of
August and then depending how quick that
[2:34] goes um we're out to tender for the uh
main demolition before the end of
[2:42] August. So yeah,
>> that's good.
[2:49] » Okay, thank you.
>> Okay, thanks.
[2:53] » Yep.
Okay. So, anything else on the CEO
[2:57] report?
Okay. Fire department and the chief's
[3:02] here. Anything
for fire department?
[3:09] Okay. Operational services.
Chad's here. Any questions for Chad?
[3:18] I have a couple maybe.
[3:24] Uh,
[3:28] okay. So, yeah,
[3:33] don't ask me any wear questions.
In general,
[3:41] in in general, when we mow the town
lots, because we owe we own quite a few
[3:46] of town lots. So, in general, when we
mow them, do we mow the whole or do we
[3:51] mow just part of it? So, we got a whole
messy
[3:56] grass and everything in
>> Well, we we achieve we strive to mow the
[4:01] whole entire lot. Yeah. Median included
or boulevard included.
[4:06] » Okay.
>> Yeah.
[4:07] » So, so if they're not done, we just just
send you a note.
[4:11] » Yes, for sure. Yeah.
>> Okay.
[4:14] » Okay. Hang on one second. Yep.
So, uh, a new fountain installed at Lake
[4:21] Milo near SE. Is it new? Is there an old
one that's not working? I just keep
[4:25] getting the reports of, "Are you going
to fix it?" And then I saw this and I
[4:29] said, "I wonder if that got fixed or if
it's new."
[4:32] » No. So, previously there were two
fountains. Originally, there were two
[4:36] fountains at Lake Milo.
>> Yeah.
[4:37] » Um, they were showing their age. So last
year um we got to the point where it
[4:43] wasn't feasible anymore to to keep
repairing them. So we included in the
[4:47] budget this year to purchase one. Um so
that's how much prices have increased
[4:53] over the last 10 years. What we could
buy two of 10 years ago, we can only buy
[4:58] one of now.
>> Yeah.
[4:59] » So um so the fountain is new. We did
have a few hiccups with the fountain. We
[5:04] uh one of the nozzles blew off within I
think a week of installing it. So that's
[5:09] why it was down for a bit, but it's uh
as of today functioning quite well.
[5:13] » Okay, good. Just in case because I keep
getting the questions like uh
[5:18] » Sure.
>> Uh and then the you did the re you did
[5:21] the crosswalks. Do we do all of them? I
haven't even looked cuz I don't see
[5:25] » repainting.
>> Yeah.
[5:26] » Uh we're still painting. We I would say
the majority of them are done.
[5:30] » Okay. So up by the meadows, we're going
to do that, too.
[5:33] » Uh yeah, if it hasn't been done yet,
it's on the list. Y
[5:36] » good. All right. Hang on one second.
Highest monthly ridership.
[5:41] » Yeah,
>> we like that.
[5:44] Flashing lights at Milo.
>> The FL Are there flashing lights? If so,
[5:49] they weren't working a week ago. I I
don't
[5:52] » Okay. Yeah, you're the second one to
report that. I think I saw our
[5:55] contractor yesterday with a new
pedestrian controller button. So, good.
[5:59] » Should have been fixed. Yeah.
>> All right. And we're good on the um main
[6:04] and porter, main and grand. Well, that's
still Yeah, I'm still looking into that.
[6:09] That's um I think we had requests to Oh,
>> install [clears throat] flashing
[6:13] signals. I don't think we're quite there
yet. Um
[6:16] » yeah,
>> it really doesn't they don't fit the
[6:19] criteria for for flashing signals.
>> I agree.
[6:24] » Yeah,
>> I agree. We can't. Sorry. [laughter]
[6:28] But anyway,
>> yeah,
[6:30] » we're we're I'm deal I'm I'm talking
with our sign vendor just to try to
[6:34] somehow make the crosswalks or at least
the post of the crosswalks a little more
[6:39] visible.
>> Okay. All right. Um, good. That's all my
[6:45] questions. Any questions? Go ahead
there.
[6:48] » Not really question, just a thank you.
And it is things that we go over every
[6:52] time we're here when it comes right down
to it. But it is amazing to see uh the
[6:56] bus transit system doing so well now
with everything that we've done. It's
[6:59] it's a it's a pat yourself on the back
kind of moment for that. But I did want
[7:03] to mention um how great the bus shelters
look. They are spectacular
[7:08] » and I don't know how busy they'll be
this time of year, but uh come come
[7:13] school season and once it gets cold,
those things are going to get used. So
[7:17] » great job.
>> Thanks. We're pleased. I'll pass that
[7:20] down. There'll be a request for about 20
more.
[7:23] » Yeah. Yeah.
>> Which we
[7:28] it's hard because we can't do we can't
do everything.
[7:32] » That's right.
>> We we just can't. Go ahead. Uh counselor
[7:36] Leser.
>> Thank you. I think there's one meeting
[7:38] in this all like they're doing the
pavement work across this.
[7:41] » Yeah. So yeah, the pad's being finished
just today. So we'll let that
[7:45] [clears throat] concrete cure for a few
days. So probably midweek, maybe end of
[7:48] next week, we'll have that one
installed. Yeah.
[7:50] » Um, so it looks like on the side of them
there's like an advertising space or a
[7:56] place for a map.
>> Map for art display. Yeah.
[8:00] » Okay. So, is there plans any plans of
what might go in there or they just
[8:04] that's the design?
>> Uh, not yet. We're working with Mike.
[8:06] Um, I don't think we want to do
advertisements, but um, art display for
[8:12] sure. Maybe maps. Yeah. Okay. Thanks.
>> Good.
[8:17] I think we're good. Okay. Thank you.
>> Thank you.
[8:21] » I got to go back to Jeff if you're okay.
So, um, and it's not on your list, but I
[8:28] don't I didn't add it, so we'll add it.
We'll add it under you. So, we sent out
[8:34] a letter to natural resources around the
deer and basically said, uh, we asked
[8:41] the question, can you show us where in
legislation it says that we are
[8:47] responsible because it's not there. Um,
so we wanted to know where that was
[8:54] because we continue to do the work. We
continue to get the um hold up on no,
[8:59] you can't do anything. Uh we got a lot
of people quite upset quite uh quite
[9:06] upset and rightfully so. So do you want
to do you know where we are on that?
[9:10] Because we were going to send a letter
back and say you didn't answer you
[9:14] didn't answer a question. They said
they're doing some kind of a setting
[9:17] something up but it it didn't answer our
question. It was a political answer. Go
[9:22] ahead. Sorry CEO.
>> I think you just answered the question
[9:25] you asked me.
>> Um
[9:27] » well I'm that's
>> they didn't answer the question.
[9:29] » Huh? Right? They didn't answer the
question. So the issue is the
[9:33] frustration is at this table and I know
the frustration in the community but the
[9:37] frustration at this table is we have no
authority. We have no authority over
[9:41] wildlife. Everything that we want to do
we need permission from the province to
[9:46] do and they're making us do the
homework, do the make the proposals for
[9:51] them to say yes or no. They hold all the
authority. Um but they have been working
[9:57] or we've been working under the
I guess the direction from them or the
[10:02] premise from them that that we have
somehow responsibility for this.
[10:06] » But as you know um municipalities get
all of their authority and
[10:11] responsibility from the province, right?
We're creatures of the province. We're
[10:15] we're created through through acts of
the legislature. And so they can't just
[10:19] decide bureaucratically or politically
that that falls to municipalities unless
[10:25] there is a an act or a legis or a
regulation that that supports that. And
[10:30] we have been unable to find any act of
regulation that indicates that either
[10:36] municipalities or towns are responsible
for wildlife within our boundaries or
[10:42] that the province does not have
responsibility or authority for wildlife
[10:47] within our boundaries. And so in the
absence of of anything delegating that
[10:51] authority and responsibility, we
actually don't think it's ours. uh it is
[10:56] probably still theirs and they've been
taking advantage of the of the concern
[11:01] in the community and your proximity to
the concern to to have you to have us
[11:08] spend money, spend time and beg for uh
permission um in the context of their of
[11:15] their regulations for them to sit back
and say yes or no depending on how they
[11:20] feel about it.
um you know that this is wildlife is the
[11:24] provincial authority and uh until I see
something in black and white that
[11:28] suggests otherwise I think that we
should be pushing this back to them
[11:33] because they have the authority as
they've shown in in Truro they have the
[11:36] authority to relax their own regulations
to permit uh um activities that would
[11:43] reduce the deer population and they've
done it in Turo. Um it it doesn't make
[11:48] sense that that we should be on behalf
of the residents having to beg for this
[11:53] if it is their responsibility and their
authority.
[11:56] » Doesn't make sense that the uh residents
have to pay for everything we have to do
[11:59] here either. So, um, Jeff and I have
been having a couple chats over this,
[12:04] and you guys know how I feel about it's,
uh,
[12:09] we're not quite at the point where I'm
at the point, but we're still discussing
[12:12] it, where we're saying, you know what,
we've just racked up all these bills
[12:16] trying to get the information for
something we're not responsible for. So,
[12:21] here's here's your invoice. It doesn't
mean they would pay it or not, but um
[12:26] we're not we're not there yet, but we're
pretty close. I'm I'm there,
[12:32] but we're going to wait on good advice
for a minute. So, we're going to send
[12:39] the note back and say you didn't answer
the question. Um I'd love to be at a
[12:44] point where we say and here's here are
the next steps um that we're going to
[12:49] take and this is this is where we are
because enough
[12:53] Go ahead.
>> Sometimes I suspect maybe that's what
[12:55] they want you to do and that way they
can wash their hands of the whole thing.
[12:58] But to me in listening to what you were
saying, well, a couple of things come to
[13:03] mind. First off, yes, they have a
template already. That's what Truro was.
[13:08] And so why aren't they following the
template, which I find extremely
[13:12] irritating and frustrating. The other
part is
[13:16] » we have sunk a lot of money into this so
far. Yeah. Yeah.
[13:19] » And even if we can get to the point
where we have permission to do, for
[13:23] example, a call or whatever it might be,
we're going to pay a lot of money for
[13:27] that, that's going to cost the taxpayers
of this town a lot of money. Well, if
[13:33] it's not our responsibility, we
shouldn't even be paying for that.
[13:36] » No, we should.
>> And I think that's as much as anything
[13:39] an issue. You know, it's it's time to
make a commitment one way or the other.
[13:45] » Yeah. So the the Truro template was was
was
[13:51] homemade. I mean Truro took that
initiative and created that process for
[13:56] themselves out of frustration. The
province likes it because it it is a
[14:01] municipality taking something off of
their plate. Uh not taking the authority
[14:05] but taking the responsibility.
The difficulty that we have when we look
[14:10] at their at their rules is that within
within their rules and their setbacks
[14:15] for houses and schools and every and
businesses and so on, there are
[14:19] literally too little postage stamps
where you could where you could actually
[14:22] carry out a controlled hunt uh within
the town. And it's an extreme ends
[14:28] extreme like it's it's not going to do
anything for for the deer population
[14:33] that's already in town and and breeding
and reproducing and and living in town.
[14:37] So it is not on its own a solution, I
don't believe. But again, we don't have
[14:42] the authority to even permit that. We
have to beg for that. They have the
[14:46] authority and the responsibility and and
our job has to be to point that out
[14:50] unless they can show us. I could be
wrong been wrong before. Unless they can
[14:54] show us that uh they they actually have
through proper means delegated that
[15:00] responsibility to municipalities, it
just is not ours. They would like to
[15:04] create a template based on the Turo
model because that that has has
[15:10] delegated the responsibility or it's
taken the responsibility without any
[15:14] authority. And uh I I just think that
that's that's not fair
[15:19] » and it's not it's not fair to us and
it's not fair to the residents. Was that
[15:22] authority assume? Was was that
responsibility assumed?
[15:26] » So, Truro asked for the responsibility
essentially as they went and they had an
[15:30] issue with deer and and you know they
were probably told by the pro I
[15:34] shouldn't guess but uh I won't guess. So
Truro asked what do we have to do? They
[15:41] they kind of made it up. They made
proposals on what they would do and they
[15:44] did surveys. They did pellet counts and
they proposed a a controlled hunt and
[15:49] they got that approved under certain
conditions and and they've applied for
[15:52] an amendment to the to the regulations
that that makes perfect common sense and
[15:58] eventually got that approved. But my
point is why do they have to do all the
[16:02] work, right? When this is not their
responsibility, they have no authority.
[16:07] Why isn't the province with its
resources and its tools
[16:13] working on this issue?
So, I I'm always reminded of the um
[16:20] ATVs on Water Street. Reminds me took 10
years fighting to get
[16:25] » that done on our streets that we pay for
that finally, I believe, legislation
[16:31] just changed this year that said we
could put up our own speed limits.
[16:36] I mean, just little things like that,
right? So, do we'll tell you what you
[16:40] can do when you can do it and you pay
for it. your
[16:44] » yes I said one more comment and I did
see this in in the response that we got
[16:48] was this idea of community development
approach
[16:52] » so they when they when they decided
Shabbog Meadows trail was not going to
[16:56] be maintained anymore they called it a
community development uh model so the
[17:01] community can take it up and take
responsibility for it that really isn't
[17:05] community development that's really
downloading that's downloading that
[17:09] that's you know community development
approach looks a lot more engaged
[17:13] engaging and and so they're referring to
this deer approach of letting
[17:17] municipalities
beg for responsibility uh as a community
[17:21] development approach and it's not
community development. It is it is
[17:25] downloading.
[17:28] » Okay. Um All right. Planning and
development.
[17:35] » Did we do something
>> there is
[17:47] Oh, there. Okay. The recommended motion
for uh under operations to recommend the
[17:52] council designate one accessible stall
and one regular stall in front of 82
[17:57] Main Street. Okay. Moved and seconded.
Discussion on this one.
[18:04] » Go ahead. Uh, this come from a
discussion um with the owner of Harves
[18:09] and I sent this earlier. Very thankful
for the town for getting on this um
[18:14] right away and um hopefully have this
installed to make it accessible for
[18:19] those people who um attend their
restaurant there. So, thank you Chad for
[18:23] that work and hopefully it'll be up and
going real soon. Thank you.
[18:27] » Good. Okay. All those in favor?
>> I contrary motion carried. Okay.
[18:34] planning and development.
And Martin's here.
[18:40] Okay. Any question there?
[18:47] Oh, there. You got to stand right in
front of that, Derek. Go ahead.
[18:51] [laughter]
>> Um, not out of everything that you've
[18:54] written and probably pick the the least
interesting to ask a question on. Um 74
[19:00] 386 Main Street I believe is the SAM
building.
[19:06] Um but it says 7 it says 70 I I don't
know what the 74 386 means. But that's
[19:12] not the important part. I I think my
question is
[19:15] the um the funding expired for the for
the facade program for them to fix it.
[19:20] Is there any indication that it's going
to they're still going to do the work
[19:24] because it's been sitting with Tyvec for
quite a while. Um, thank you. It's a
[19:29] good question. I asked the same question
last week of the owner. Um, and so the
[19:33] short answer is yes. Um, however, as um,
I might have mentioned in some of
[19:39] previous meetings,
there are larger, more complex issues
[19:43] that the owner is dealing with um, with
respect to the building as we speak. And
[19:48] so they're they have to prioritize sort
of where they invest their energy and
[19:53] resources.
And as unfortunate as it may sound, the
[19:57] the exterior of the building is
currently not their focus because that
[20:01] is what the public sees, right? That's
what you see when we walk by and drive
[20:05] by. And that's what is a big part of the
fabric of Main Street, which is that's
[20:09] why I said unfortunate, but as I as I
just alluded to, there's a bigger sort
[20:14] of items that the owner is tending to
within the building. And so currently, I
[20:20] don't want to say it's on the back
burner, but it's definitely on their
[20:22] mind. Uh we have a site visit scheduled
for next Tuesday actually with the rest
[20:26] of our staff and the owner and the main
uh or sorry this the facade will be um a
[20:32] point of discussion but um I hope that
gives you a sense of sort of um
[20:39] not timeline but sort of some of the
priorities we're or the owners
[20:43] considering and and and likely dealing
with.
[20:47] » So do we have the ability to put a
timeline on that facade? And I only say
[20:52] that because we've we've got a little
toy store there that frankly folks
[20:57] aren't even aware of because you can't
see it in that
[21:00] » Yeah.
>> in in the wrap of Tyvec.
[21:03] » You can't you just can't see it and it
just it
[21:05] » Yes, we can. Yes, we can. And so we are
um again had a great meeting with the
[21:10] owner whatever that was last week, week
before that. And I didn't inform them if
[21:15] that's notwithstanding everything else I
just said that may be happening and the
[21:19] is dealing with we have to act on the
front facade and that would be um an
[21:24] order under um unsightly and or
dangerous premises of the MGA and we did
[21:29] inform them if um there's no visible
progress from an application for
[21:34] development permit to demonstrate
compliance with applicable regulations
[21:37] under bylaw and then some some some
concrete sort of steps towards
[21:42] addressing it will be forced to issue a
order under the NGA uh I'm sorry under
[21:47] the unsightly or dangerous and so he's
been informed of that so that would put
[21:51] in place a timeline
now
[21:56] there's initial timeline there's a you
know discussion that may be extended but
[22:01] uh that would be sort of starting point
of of establishing some clear
[22:04] expectations on when or by when that
work has to be done
[22:11] » does that help helps. I mean, we don't
want to go the whole winter with a
[22:18] » No, understood.
>> You You know, it's just
[22:20] » understood and and I'm well aware of the
uh the sentiment of of this body towards
[22:25] that sort of condition and we feel the
same and so does the owner. Don't get me
[22:29] wrong. He
>> No, no, no. I understand. he understands
[22:31] he and he would like to get it fixed,
but um he's in sort of a situation where
[22:35] he's got to make some
>> some decisions about where to invest his
[22:38] time and resources and and um those
aren't easy decisions. So
[22:44] » uh we're trying to sort of approach that
with that same understanding, but
[22:47] there's a limit to it.
>> Yep. Okay. And it's not about um just
[22:52] for the record, it's not about pretty,
it's about economics. It's it's about
[22:57] it's this is in in the downtown core uh
you know where business are looking to
[23:02] set up. They just want to know that
their neighbors are going to be looked
[23:07] after that it's not going to feel like
uh a place that I don't want to set up
[23:10] another business. So
>> yeah I mean the the syndrome of broken
[23:14] windows is a real thing. Um and so we we
good
[23:17] » that okay anything else for Martin?
>> Go ahead councelor Bell. Thank you your
[23:25] worship and thank you for uh the report
this month. Um a lot of information
[23:32] packed into a very concise package. I
really appreciate it was really easy to
[23:37] go through and um and actually the the
question that I have really doesn't have
[23:42] anything to do with directly with the
report. it it I'm just hoping for some
[23:46] direction with regards to bylaw
enforcement of um sight um unsightly and
[23:55] dangerous premises. There is a property
on Tuker Street that is abandoned, has
[24:01] been abandoned for many years, and I
continue to get complaints about uh the
[24:08] property being open to the air and
wildlife being in and out of the
[24:13] property. Um, and I have reported the
complaints and what the feedback that's
[24:18] come back is that the house is secure.
And so what I'm trying to understand so
[24:23] that I can communicate it to
constituents. Um, and what I think I'm
[24:28] hearing is that we we are not concerned
about wildlife being able to get into a
[24:34] building. We're concerned about humans
being able to get into a building. Is
[24:38] that fair to say? Um,
[24:43] I'm going to thread carefully here
because I I'm going to I'm not going to
[24:46] proclaim myself expert on both abandoned
building by which I believe we have in
[24:50] place.
>> Uh, same with dangerous or unsightly,
[24:53] but
>> I believe the uh the access to rodents
[24:56] and and sort of wildlife is is noted in
one of them as a concern. Uh, I think
[25:01] I'm getting some nods here and and so I
think it would be both. And before I was
[25:05] going to answer uh your worship, I was
going to ask um the feedback you've been
[25:10] getting, would it be from our staff that
the building's secure? I think last year
[25:14] when I raised the issue and the
complaint went through the process that
[25:19] that was the feedback that I was given
was that the building was secure and I
[25:24] think it is secure in terms of human
habitation and certainly from the front
[25:28] of the building
>> it doesn't look as though there's an
[25:32] issue but if you if you view it looking
south from Albert Street um it is
[25:39] completely open to the air in the back
uh uh you know in the eaves and the
[25:43] pigeons and everything are going in and
out constantly and this has been going
[25:47] on for you know 5 years 10 years I don't
know and I've just
[25:54] I don't know in what other neighborhood
of the community it would be tolerated
[26:00] for this long
>> it wouldn't
[26:01] » so just and and I don't know if there's
anything that we can do as an
[26:05] institutional body but um I just want to
be able to tell my constituents
[26:12] um what we're able to do and what we're
not able to do.
[26:16] » Look, I mean, I you're touching on
several interesting points. Um one of
[26:19] them being at this point anyway in
middle of the summer construction season
[26:24] um resourcing on our end. Um we're um
we're we're
[26:30] we're busy um unsightly and dangerous
orders. Um not only their issuance, but
[26:37] following up on those orders and working
with the owners. Same with um vacant
[26:41] buildings which actually requires I
believe the operators or owners of those
[26:45] buildings submit annual reports to
demonstrate that the condition of the
[26:49] vacant buildings is such that you know
it's it's acceptable and up to snuff. Um
[26:56] I'm going to summarize is there's work
to be done on our end to follow up on um
[27:02] range of items and files.
The building reference is likely one of
[27:07] them. We're seeking avenues to sort of
get the done and get not get ahead of
[27:12] it. I feel it'll take a couple years
before we do can say that but at least
[27:16] sort of start attending to it in a
manner that it deserves. Um and so again
[27:21] as I said steps are being taken sort of
to position ourselves as a small
[27:25] department to to do so. Um, in the
meantime,
[27:30] you know, if there's a specific issue, I
encourage you to contact our office,
[27:33] whether it's bylaw, myself, and we'll
give you as best as we can, or we'll
[27:37] send our staff as needed because those
continue to happen, right? Whether it's
[27:41] triggered by the citizens or or or
anybody else. Uh, we try to do those,
[27:46] but um it's been a bit of a challenge
and it will continue to be for some
[27:52] time.
>> Yeah.
[27:55] And it's not just properties in
Southoun. I can tell you that.
[27:57] » Oh gosh. No. No.
[28:02] » For for me it's it's not a criticism of
staff. It's just a looking for clarity
[28:09] so that the con if it's appropriate for
the constituents to continue to be using
[28:14] clickfix then I will direct them to do
that. But I I don't want them to
[28:20] continue to use ClickFix if if it isn't
a town remediable problem. That's that's
[28:26] just that's just the point. I think I'm
trying I'm looking for clarity about
[28:30] that.
>> Are are the I mean I'm shaking my head
[28:34] yes to to the animals.
>> Yes, it is. Yes.
[28:37] » Whether it's birds or whatever because
that that's not just unsightly. That's
[28:42] dangerous in a neighborhood. So, um I
even got a report this week that there's
[28:47] skunks in somebody's yard.
>> We have a range of
[28:51] » come right. So, if that's open and the
birds are getting in are the other
[28:56] animals getting in and then there's
they're spreading to you know the
[29:00] neighborhood like that's that's the sad
thing. You know, your property is one
[29:05] thing but somebody else's property is
quite another. in in short is very much
[29:09] within the scope of um
>> the legislation we talked about you're
[29:13] aware of and and our staff's
jurisdiction.
[29:15] » Okay. All right. So we'll
>> I think I'll mention a conversation we
[29:22] had earlier this week, Martin. So, um,
we've had changeover in that department
[29:29] and we've had plans to execute on on
restaffing in in certain areas and we've
[29:34] actually shifted um a priority until we
get uh clarity on this year's fiscal
[29:40] picture, shift a priority from community
economic development to to enforcement
[29:45] and and compliance. And so, uh, we've
got to fill a position, but, um, but
[29:51] there is at least that acknowledgment
that the workload there is a bit
[29:55] overwhelming right now, and we do need
to throw support at it. So, that's a
[29:59] choice that we've kind of made until we
have clarity on whether we can do both.
[30:02] So,
[30:06] » yeah. Um,
yeah.
[30:12] No, I just struggle with things to say.
But uh
[30:17] I I think sometimes if if uh you know,
for example, housing, the the Yarmouth
[30:23] housing, if if they would look after
their properties in the manner that they
[30:28] need to be taken care of, that would be
a lot less off our plates. We shouldn't
[30:33] have to deal with with that type of
thing. Um so we'll have some more
[30:37] conversations with them. That's just
I guess it it depends what kind of this
[30:44] isn't about you, but it depends what
kind of person you are. If you say, you
[30:47] know, this if you if you say something
and and it's yeah, it'll get done. You
[30:52] you expect it to get done. And then when
it doesn't, it's like I got to go again,
[30:56] then I have to go again. And it's uh
that's a burden on you guys. I know
[31:00] you're doing all you can. It's it's
we're swamped. It's like top to bottom.
[31:04] » And the process in many ways is not
perfect either. Uh it's it's if anything
[31:08] it's far from perfect. Uh
>> yeah,
[31:10] » you know even if you do start following
these orders for unsightly or dangerous
[31:15] or mostly both
um the options under or through the
[31:19] process are limited and you know if it's
a question of resources as well and
[31:25] decisions sometimes in front of you and
some some of these require immediate
[31:29] action. So you know the resources on the
owner side are not there. uh demolition
[31:34] obviously it's a whole different issue
alto together because the the resource
[31:37] there is much more significant than uh
um you know fixing up a um unsafe access
[31:42] or missing deck or stairs. Um then if
you look at the legal routes available
[31:47] to us whether it's uh issuing of tickets
and ultimately proceeding it to with
[31:51] long forms to to courts that's also you
know resource heavy on on legal advice
[31:56] and and so representations on that end
and again that's those are year-long
[32:01] processes that don't really get you
anywhere other than
[32:05] uh you know and in and not not not
anywhere I'm not going to say that I I
[32:09] have very limited experience but those
are long-term processes that eventually
[32:14] result than something but usually not an
outcome that um you know that that you
[32:20] would envision or we would envision. So
back to the process sort of like what
[32:24] I'm saying is what's available to us is
not great and so that's why working with
[32:27] owners
>> and finding ways to keep it sort of
[32:30] locally and address it locally is always
the best but it's not always easy to
[32:35] work with the owners. um some of them
may not be around present in condition
[32:40] to even communicate with us and um
it's a really interesting and
[32:46] challenging file at the same time.
[32:50] » Good. Anyone else?
Anything for Martin at all? No. Okay.
[32:57] Thank you.
>> Thank you.
[33:00] » Okay. Engineering and I see Deario here.
Any questions there?
[33:12] No. Okay. Finance.
Not Did you want to share when you think
[33:17] we'll
>> budget? No.
[33:20] » No, we're good.
>> No.
[33:22] » Yeah.
>> Um, so just for council's information,
[33:26] um, to my knowledge, director of finance
is going to start a return to work uh
[33:30] program next week. It's not going to
come in full-time right off the hop. So
[33:34] it'll be be phased in, but uh latest
information I have is that that will
[33:38] start next week and top priority is is
budget work. So um stay tuned for that
[33:43] and we'll ask for your for your
indulgence around uh meeting and and
[33:48] going through the documents as soon as
they're ready.
[33:50] » Good.
Okay. Uh
[33:55] recreation and Frank's here. Any
questions for Frank?
[34:02] Go ahead.
[34:14] I see it's mentioned about the lights at
the Mariners. Uh I know there was I
[34:19] think a $40,000 LED upgrade that was in
there. I'm just wondering if that was
[34:24] started if it was just fixing of what's
already there and kind of where we are
[34:28] timeline if that is going to be done
this year.
[34:32] » Um we've replaced two of the existing
lights with LED lights as a test and
[34:38] then we'll be moving forward on
replacement
[34:42] of the rest of them. Um the the light
the light systems are working. I think
[34:47] there's one one uh bulb that's that's
not working. Okay, perfect.
[34:51] » So, we are planning on moving forward if
everything goes well with the test of
[34:56] the two uh new LED lights.
>> Perfect. And if um if that goes well, is
[35:01] there a plan to upgrade uh veterans as
well maybe next year or down the road?
[35:06] » For sure. Yeah, 100%.
>> Great to see. And I think the not only
[35:10] the uh new technology is a whole lot
better and not so cumbersome, but the uh
[35:16] energy use I'm sure is a whole lot less
compared to what it was as well. So that
[35:19] that's always been an issue is with
ballasts and bulbs. There's two things
[35:24] that can break and with high winds if
the bulb doesn't break than the ballast
[35:29] would. So the LED unit is one unit. So
it should hopefully work more efficient
[35:37] more efficiently uh um and energy-wise
as well.
[35:42] » Perfect. And uh big I hear there's a big
softball tournament this weekend. I
[35:47] think there is a 32 team tournament.
>> Uh things went very smooth dealing with
[35:52] wreck. So thank you for that. And um I
know Minor Ball has um is quite busy. I
[35:58] see we have people going away winning
tournaments and provincials and whatnot.
[36:02] So it's great to see the upgrade of that
field and I remember when those were put
[36:06] in and you know the the getting back to
being a baseball town and uh some pride
[36:10] of our athletes and whatnot. And also
shout out to your crew for the um
[36:15] senior's picnic that was held at um
Beacon there a week or so ago. It was I
[36:19] think the most highly attended that they
had and the uh teddy bear picnic for um
[36:24] » Sefest was at the same time. So it was
nice to see the park filled and I think
[36:27] everyone enjoyed theirel. So
>> we had hot dogs [laughter]
[36:31] » and little Sandies.
>> Plenty of hot dogs. Um, just one other
[36:35] thing I wanted to mention is, and I'm
sure council knows, uh, communities in
[36:39] Bloom, judges are in town and, uh,
recreation facilities are always a part
[36:44] of that that tour. So, uh, judges will
be at Milton, uh, ball field or
[36:51] Coronation Park and Lake Milo.
>> Awesome.
[36:55] » So,
tomorrow,
[36:57] » good stuff.
um our September 2nd meeting
[37:04] whenever it [snorts] came out. It's the
same as Remo.
[37:07] » Uhhuh.
>> Saying,
[37:08] » okay, first Wednesday.
>> We look We might have to look at the
[37:12] Tuesday or uh
>> we'll get on it.
[37:15] » Sorry. It's been booked like it was
booked a long time ago. So, we can take
[37:19] a peek at that and then um
>> is is Remo early in the afternoon as
[37:24] well?
>> It's the same time, isn't it? 4 o'clock.
[37:28] » Okay.
>> Yeah,
[37:29] » we'll have to look at it then.
>> Yeah, we can look at another We can look
[37:33] at another day.
>> What's that?
[37:40] » Oh, or we can move Remo.
>> Yeah, we'll figure that out. Lindsay,
[37:46] can you get you just figure it out with
Frank?
[37:50] » Perfect.
>> We got to have We We have to have a
[37:52] meeting and get an answer to an email,
too.
[37:56] Yeah, like a a a a real response to an
email that was sent.
[38:01] » Okay.
>> We'll do that.
[38:05] » Right.
>> Hopefully, it's done before we get
[38:07] there. Anybody else? Anything for Wreck?
Busy.
[38:12] » Busy.
>> It's been It's been a good summer so
[38:15] far.
>> Okay.
[38:17] » Thank you.
>> Thanks, Frank.
[38:19] » Business. Okay. So, personnel policy,
[38:25] I can get in here.
So, the recommended motion there is to
[38:30] recommend the council amend the
personnel policy to include 5.07
[38:35] cent reduction policy.
Okay. Moved, seconded. Any discussion on
[38:41] this one?
All those in favor?
[38:47] » Opposed?
[38:50] Motion carried. And the next one is to
recommend that council amend section
[38:55] 5.02 of the personnel policy to include
violence prevention.
[39:03] » Move.
>> Moved and seconded. Any discussion on
[39:08] this one?
Okay. All those in favor? I. Contrary.
[39:13] Motion carried. Thank you. Okay. citizen
advisory to recommend the council amend
[39:20] uh section 4.0 the citizen advisory
committee's policy to include
[39:26] orientation for citizen members okay
moved and seconded discussion on this
[39:32] one I assume orientation will include
like some of Robert's rules and stuff
[39:37] like that we'll figure
[39:42] » okay good okay
Go ahead.
[39:47] » Sorry. I just can't emphasize how
important this is. It's it's uh it's
[39:52] kind of crucial that when citizens when
all of us uh jump into one of these
[39:58] committees, these committees do some
really important work and to understand
[40:02] exactly why you're there and what's
going on is is huge. And so, um can't
[40:09] believe it wasn't there before almost.
And uh it it really is a policy that we
[40:14] need to have not just for uh the citizen
advisory committees but for all of us.
[40:20] And uh I guess that's it. Thank you.
Good. Okay. All those in favor? I
[40:27] contrary motion carried uh
communications policy to recommend that
[40:33] council direct staff to develop a
communication policy.
[40:40] Moved.
Seconded.
[40:45] Someone going to second.
Seconded. Okay. Discussion.
[40:55] We good.
[41:00] » Okay. Here. Um, so we're having this
conversation because there has been some
[41:09] discussion about um
how we're using uh our town's social
[41:18] media platforms. And I just think it's
important for us um if we're going to
[41:24] send this to staff for a policy, I think
we should have a conversation about
[41:32] what
uh those social media platforms and
[41:36] communication platforms are designed
for. And so I'd like to start the
[41:40] conversation
um
[41:44] with my perspective which is that
these are really there primarily to
[41:51] communicate information on behalf of the
municipality.
[41:55] They're there to serve the
municipality's interests, not to serve
[41:59] third parties interests. And when the
municipality's interests and third party
[42:04] interests align, and there is a reason,
that's great. But I think primarily it's
[42:11] important
that we are mindful of what that those
[42:18] platforms are there to do. Um, you know,
I don't consider myself an expert on too
[42:25] many things, but I have been in
journalism, communications, and public
[42:29] relations for most of my adult life. And
in those roles, I have an exquisite
[42:36] understanding of boundaries and why uh
boundaries are important. Um I think
[42:45] followers of the platforms
expect um the municipality to provide
[42:52] timely and reliable information about
our services, our programs, the
[42:59] decisions that we're making. Um
information about emergencies and
[43:04] matters that advance the communities and
the council's objectives.
[43:09] Um
and you know sometimes when a
[43:14] municipality publishes or any
organization publishes activities that
[43:20] are organized by outside organizations.
They may intentionally convey an
[43:27] institutional endorsement or approval
regardless of whether um they have had
[43:34] any control or any input into that third
party organizations's activities and how
[43:40] they're being conducted and that puts um
organizations at some risk.
[43:47] Um, so I think that any policy, if we're
going to do a policy, um, needs to
[43:53] really establish
what those communication platforms are
[43:58] there to do and then leave it to staff
to decide um, what are the appro, you
[44:06] know, what's appropriate going forward.
And I am assuming that it would be
[44:12] official communications
um and category you know in information
[44:17] that about what we are doing what what
what we're doing to engage our citizens.
[44:24] Um,
[44:28] I just feel very strongly about this
that uh, number one, council should not
[44:33] be directing staff about what's going on
those communications channels and that
[44:40] we need to understand what they're there
for. Thank you.
[44:44] » Okay. Anyone else?
[44:51] » Go ahead.
>> So, I disagree. Um,
[44:56] I I can't believe that we'd have a main
street packed with 500 cars and
[45:01] thousands of people and not see the
value and somehow of helping to
[45:04] advertise that. Um
[45:09] uh we also often give money to these
organizations and if we feel strongly
[45:15] enough to fund what they do, I think we
should um at least be uh supportive
[45:21] enough to um let them know the work
they're doing is important enough to get
[45:26] out there. I agree there should be some
type of policy. So it's not everything.
[45:30] Um maybe that could be tied into the
things that we support financially. We
[45:35] also support as far as advertising, but
I would like to kind of back up and
[45:40] speak to something else, I guess, before
we get there. Often when we bring up
[45:44] things around this table, we disagree.
Um, I think the way we disagree, we need
[45:50] to look at sometimes.
Um, as I get older in my life, um, I'm
[45:56] I'm not a fan of being talked down to or
talked to in a manner that I don't care
[46:01] for just because I hold a different
opinion of
[46:06] how I see something. Um, I feel far too
often lately that the responses that we
[46:13] get sometime aren't the most respectful
or um, within the the decorum that we
[46:18] should have when we disagree. I think um
I've learned in my life that if you
[46:23] really want to know someone's true
colors, disagree with them or don't give
[46:26] them what they want and you tend to see
a little bit more of those true colors
[46:30] come through. Um
[46:35] um
we all bring something different to this
[46:38] table. I have sat in this table with my
mind made up of how I was going to vote
[46:43] and other people have talked and I've
heard their two cents and I've changed
[46:46] my opinion because of the respect I have
for those around here. Um, I don't think
[46:51] I've I've seen conversations where
things have not went the best way. Um,
[46:56] senior safety comes up to me, the deer
conversation.
[47:01] Um,
Mr. Leser helping out with a tree. Um,
[47:06] when we disagree, we need to figure out
how we're going to disagree. And we all
[47:10] put our name in our ballots and we're
all one vote around this table. And no
[47:14] one's opinion is any more important than
the rest of us. Um, some people take
[47:20] what they want to be as a counselor and
how they want to arrive somewhere from
[47:23] what's written, maybe proincially or in
a policy. Some of us live by conviction.
[47:28] I'm one of those people. Um, when I put
my head on the pillow at night, I want
[47:33] to be able to believe in the things that
I do. Um, if this last weekend has
[47:37] taught me anything is to be proud of
where you're from and who you are.
[47:40] Whether you speak the Queen's English or
every now and then if my ing's end in or
[47:46] I use ain't, we uh we all bring
something to this table. There are
[47:50] animal lovers, there are tourists and
event lovers, there are
[47:54] environmentalists, there's sidewalk
people, there's um crosswalk people,
[48:00] there is uh arts people and we all bring
something to this table. So what I think
[48:04] when we have these discussions and when
we have differences of opinion, I'd like
[48:09] to be able to be comfortable enough that
I'm going to speak it the way I'd
[48:14] [snorts] like to speak it. And my vote
will be how I think and where I come
[48:20] from and how I come to this. It may be
different than somebody else, but it
[48:26] should be respected. So I just like to
get that out there. I'd also like to say
[48:31] that in the past, I think we have did a
good job often speaking openly and not
[48:36] getting caught up in this is how you
should think, I'm going to let you know.
[48:42] And if you don't see it this way, then
there's some flawed way in your
[48:46] thinking. And intent and impact are two
different things. And I think we need to
[48:51] take that in consideration when speaking
to each other. And um I just like to say
[48:55] moving forward that if I don't give it,
I won't be taking it. So, let's all get
[49:01] along and learn to talk to each other
properly.
[49:05] » Anyone else?
>> Because I gota I'm gonna
[49:08] » Yeah, I'll keep it short and sweet. Um
um I'm curious to see how this policy
[49:13] would look. So, I I don't know if I'd
dismiss it offhand. I do have concerns
[49:18] that, you know, I and I'll I'll get into
that at a later date, but um certainly,
[49:23] of course, it won't preclude anybody
from using their own voice. I mean, I I
[49:27] advertise stuff on behalf of community
groups that I represent on Facebook. I
[49:32] don't involve the town in it. That's
just a choice. Um,
[49:37] I would though like to offer that. Um,
and I brought it to your worship's
[49:43] attention at times and to the CEO's
attention that sometimes I think we get
[49:46] into conversations online that we
shouldn't. And I think that uh that
[49:51] shouldn't happen. And if we're going to
have those conversations, we should have
[49:54] them at this table and we shouldn't have
them in u in email forms. So that just
[50:01] my my thoughts on that. And um very
often too I I think um I I have a
[50:07] 24-hour rule. When I disagree with
somebody online, I might type a message,
[50:13] but I don't send it for 24 hours. And
99% of the time, I don't send it.
[50:18] Um
but also you know there's a big
[50:22] difference between somebody saying
thanks a lot or thanks a lot. You know
[50:27] it's just sometimes perception on the
way you read things. Um so I have to
[50:31] think we have to be really careful not
to focus too strongly on on written
[50:35] communications that um sometimes people
make in a
[50:43] in haste. Um, but anyway, I I look
forward to seeing what it would look
[50:47] like at the end of the day with staff
involvement. Um, and to see if it's
[50:51] workable and maybe it isn't. At the end
of the day, maybe it's not going to
[50:55] work. But let's take a look at it and
see.
[50:57] » In the meantime, um, I agree with the
may the deputy mayor. We we all have a
[51:02] voice at this table and uh, there's
times that you have changed my mind and
[51:06] there's times that you haven't. Um, and
that's fair.
[51:09] » Yeah.
>> But uh, I'm one of seven at the table.
[51:12] So that's my vote. Thank you.
>> Yeah, that's what I I agree that's the
[51:17] way it works. One one person one person
I'll I'll just say where I am. Um I do
[51:25] agree with what you said about
perceptions. I think sometimes we
[51:29] I know I do it all the time. I say
something online that's taken the wrong
[51:32] way because whoever's it's it just
sometimes that happens. That's not
[51:38] always the case. Um I am a believer in
the town information. I think Mike has
[51:44] stuck very close to that as
as staff to stick close to making sure
[51:52] that it's town connected information.
Um
[52:01] the car show was advertised just maybe
not in the way everybody was thinking
[52:07] because you you posted probably half a
dozen
[52:11] there there was information there. So
everybody knew the car show was
[52:15] happening except just maybe a a last a
last line. Um the f I'm just I just
[52:22] jotted down what some of the things
people were saying. So the financial
[52:26] support if we give them money um I mean
I know why I sometimes give money to
[52:32] organizations I don't believe I don't
believe in. So that's a that's a tough
[52:36] one for me. Um my fear that and it and
it depends what the what this policy
[52:45] looks like but but my fear in in
having the discussion and getting the
[52:51] policy to make sure the policy is tight
is so that you know what we have to get
[52:56] to where where the answer is to what are
we going to do because my first thought
[53:01] was oh my gosh is somebody going to get
upset because we haven't done like a
[53:05] community yard sale or something like
that because there's just so many things
[53:08] that support organizations and that's
not our that is not our job to
[53:14] support other organizations but we can
do it as council as council members.
[53:20] uh the the idea that we might miss one
and then what happens so that can be
[53:25] considered um it becomes an expectation
[53:32] and and
yeah it's just not it's not for email. I
[53:37] think what gets us in trouble most times
is is the the discussions online because
[53:42] we just aren't reading things the way
maybe they're intended. Maybe we are
[53:46] reading them how they're intended, but
it's uh the discussion at the table I
[53:51] think is the most important. So you're
going to do that policy and
[53:56] » I speak.
>> Yeah, you you can speak. It's your
[53:58] staff,
>> right? So
[54:02] yeah, it's it's it's it's uh town staff
and um you know, we we established this
[54:08] position I think about six years ago, uh
communications officer and without a
[54:14] policy in support of it because we
weren't really sure exactly what it was
[54:18] going to look like. We got a we got a
fantastic person to fill the role and I
[54:22] he's done a great job and you know the
the recent discussion just brought to
[54:28] light that we really don't have we have
different expectations or different
[54:32] perceptions of of what the rules should
be or are. And you know, you speak to
[54:38] staff through policy. And the best way
that we can all get on the same page is
[54:43] is to put a policy proposal in front of
you to have you have you look at and
[54:48] criticize and tear apart and make it
right, make it your own, and then then
[54:52] staff have clear direction on service
expectations from council as a whole.
[54:56] It's a policy. It can be changed in
seven days, right? So it doesn't have to
[55:01] be perfect and forever, but it needs to
be something that that that staff can
[55:06] can work under as their as their
operating parameters. And when an issue
[55:10] comes up, and it and it will happen, an
issue will come up that we didn't
[55:13] anticipate that we want to do that that
or don't want to do that policy doesn't
[55:19] really provide us the the right
guidance. that's when it can come back
[55:22] to this table or as as Mike and I have
discussed there will be things that that
[55:28] in with with a with a policy in place as
well intended as we'll be there will be
[55:33] something that will occur that we just
simply cannot follow the policy for for
[55:38] good reason and we'll keep an out clause
in the policy that will allow the CAO to
[55:44] to kind of pull rank on behalf of
council so in a in a situation I would
[55:49] imagine is is imagine a really
reprehensible group um meets meets the
[55:56] requirements of the policy to receive
town um support or or or sharing on our
[56:03] social media platforms where it really
is objectionable and yet they've slipped
[56:08] through a a a loophole in our policy.
That's where we would use that authority
[56:13] is is to protect council reputationally
from doing something that that really
[56:18] would be offensive to the community. So
let us let us try to draft something.
[56:23] It's not going to be everything to all
people, but it will be a start and we'll
[56:27] focus the discussion on on the pros and
the cons, the wise, the why nots. And
[56:33] ultimately what we're looking for is is
is guidance in in the form of policy for
[56:37] staff to go forward. I think we're
mature enough into this or Mike as our
[56:42] communications officer has enough
experience. He has a network of
[56:45] colleagues around the province that that
he can call on to to look at their
[56:49] policies to understand what their what
their experiences have been that we can
[56:53] bring you forward bring forward
something that uh that if it's not
[56:56] exactly what you're looking for will at
least focus the discussion on the issues
[57:00] that uh that uh that we need to focus
on.
[57:08] » Derek, [clears throat]
>> sorry. Um, I guess my thoughts on it
[57:12] were or are um I didn't know there
wasn't a policy. So, I kind of feel bad
[57:18] for Mike at this point that um he's kind
of been operating without one. And
[57:22] that's not a crit criticism of anybody,
but I think I I definitely think we need
[57:26] some kind of a policy. Um,
and I just assumed
[57:32] I was under the understanding that we
would post things like that. um because
[57:36] I've seen it done like we've we've done
it in in other times. Um but I think I I
[57:41] think I missed some emails while I was
away as well. Um as I mentioned before,
[57:46] sometimes emails come into into uh
threads. So I hadn't read everything. I
[57:53] I eventually did read everything, but um
when I responded and said I can't
[57:58] remember exactly what I said, but I
think you know we may be looking at
[58:01] posting something about the car show.
Um,
[58:04] and that's not certainly not a criticism
of somebody not like Mike not doing it.
[58:09] Um, I just I thought we've done it
before and I thought it makes sense to
[58:14] do. But that's exactly why we need a
policy so that it's not it's not up in
[58:19] the air to see, you know, if that's not
the route that is chosen, then it's much
[58:23] easier to know we don't go that route.
Um, but without a policy, I think it I
[58:28] think that's what's adding to the
confusion. So, um, I'm definitely in
[58:32] favor of of getting staff to work on a
policy of some sort.
[58:37] » Thank you.
>> I just have a quick question. Who
[58:41] develops the policy as the criteria, the
details of that policy? Is it one one or
[58:45] two people around this table? Is it no
one around this table?
[58:48] » It's it's nobody around this table. You
all you all have an opportunity. You're
[58:51] speaking now and that's helpful to hear
perspectives, but uh
[58:55] » the draft policy will come from staff uh
for your consideration. it'll be back at
[59:00] this table with a document to you for
you to uh tear apart or to to tell us
[59:06] what you like, what you don't like, and
ultimately as a group decide.
[59:09] » Okay, that's my question. Thank you.
>> Go ahead.
[59:13] » Okay. Um
[59:17] I always the word policy sometimes
scares the heck out of me. I'll be
[59:22] honest with you because I find
governmentally,
[59:26] you know, things become fixed without
room for maneuvering. And so policies
[59:34] kind of make me nervous that way because
I tend not to ride that way. It's not
[59:38] how I normally operate. So, thank you
CEO for the way you worded that because
[59:45] it it makes me feel better. Gives me
more um a little more ease. And I do
[59:50] agree that there should be some kind of
a policy in place. I've I've never
[59:55] worked uh within a communications area
where there wasn't some kind of a
[59:59] policy. Um
which takes me to the next bit. I am
[1:00:04] doing a job very similar to what Mike is
doing right now. And I got to tell you,
[1:00:11] to me, what worries me is that, you
know, you Mike has a lot to communicate
[1:00:18] » within the town. There's a lot going on.
And no, I'm not kissing up to you. Um,
[1:00:24] but
it's it's busy enough and it's important
[1:00:28] enough. Like
when I'm doing social media, there's
[1:00:32] there's one thing that gives always
gives me pause because you want what
[1:00:37] you're putting down as the person who's
sending that out and as the organization
[1:00:42] is sending that out, a you want it to
represent the organization, but also B,
[1:00:47] you want it to have impact. And if
you're sending out too much stuff, like
[1:00:53] if you're just sending out a mish mash
of stuff, it becomes a bit of a slop and
[1:00:57] nobody's necessarily going to see it.
And that's just that's just
[1:01:02] knowledge. That's just professional
experience. So you have to be cautious,
[1:01:06] but at the same time,
there are key huge things that it's
[1:01:14] great to encourage. Maybe not the day of
like it's it's fine to take. There were
[1:01:19] plenty of pictures out there of what was
going on with the car show, for example.
[1:01:24] The buildup to it, having a a post or
two, I I see no problem with, but
[1:01:30] you know, there's a there's a line that
you have to kind of draw uh because
[1:01:36] we as counselors, that's our job. We
have a job to communicate what's going
[1:01:43] on within the town from our vantage
point. It's it's it's like that that is
[1:01:50] that's part of the communication to me.
It's almost should be part of the
[1:01:54] communications policy in its own way.
And I know it it can't be, but when you
[1:02:00] think about it, we have a job to
communicate things that are going on
[1:02:03] within the town and our interpretation
of them. I mean, that that's for us to
[1:02:08] do. So, that's that's a really important
piece to this. And the other part is and
[1:02:13] and I think it's been touched upon but
let we can make it very clear if you
[1:02:17] push one you have to push them all and
there's a lot going on and it be it
[1:02:24] becomes an impossibility. I mean, we've
had discussions uh about setting up a a
[1:02:30] website or a Facebook page and a website
actually keeping calendar straight and
[1:02:35] and uh doing you know encouraging and
promoting things that are going on. Not
[1:02:41] not me and you we but more of an
editorial we I suppose the work to do
[1:02:47] that would be almost impossible. It's it
would be very very hard to do.
[1:02:54] It just
you have to walk a fine line because
[1:02:58] when it comes to these kind of things,
you know, who's going to be mad that you
[1:03:02] left them out? Um so there's there's
care that has to be taken. That's all.
[1:03:12] » Go ahead. if it alleviates any concerns
regarding policy. Um, one of the most
[1:03:17] ethical persons that I ever worked with
um once described policy as a guide to
[1:03:22] the wise and a rule for the fool because
it can be amended. We've all voted on
[1:03:28] amendments at this table. Um, if we
don't get it perfect the first time,
[1:03:31] we'll fix it. But it does give you a
it's a guide and sometimes guide rails
[1:03:38] are good. So, I I I don't I'm not
concerned about developing a policy um
[1:03:46] because I know we can we can fix it.
>> Good.
[1:03:51] » Go ahead. Uh Derek,
>> just one thing I was going to add that I
[1:03:53] forgot um but I think the CEO mentioned
it is the jurisdictional like what are
[1:03:59] other communities doing? And I think
that's the most important if you know
[1:04:03] that we're in line with what everybody
else is doing. Um, and I don't know what
[1:04:06] other like I'm not following other
Facebook groups to see what they're
[1:04:10] doing. So, um, I think that part's an
important which I think you mentioned
[1:04:13] would be part of it. So,
[1:04:18] um,
[1:04:22] another conversation for another time,
[laughter] but they're all shutting down
[1:04:28] their comments.
They're they're starting one at a time
[1:04:32] to to shut down their comments. So
that's up to you. You you've done that
[1:04:36] on some.
>> So So but that's the issue, right?
[1:04:40] » Yeah. It's up to you.
>> I think that if if if we are going to
[1:04:46] exercise discretion that that shuts off
a community engagement
[1:04:52] situation and be kind of leaving it on
one person's shoulders without any
[1:04:57] criteria that he's going to exercise his
judgment on. I think that's what I'd
[1:05:01] like to see in the policy is is the the
topic of of online commenting and what
[1:05:08] criteria the communications officer
might use to determine when and when not
[1:05:14] to have commenting on. And as an
example, um,
[1:05:19] uh, in an emergency situation, right,
where we're trying to get factual
[1:05:23] information out to out to citizens, but
the communications officer might not be
[1:05:28] the the source of all all information to
answer all questions. We might want to
[1:05:33] shut comments off so that what sits on
online are the facts themselves and and
[1:05:39] allow, you know, through press
conferences or whatnot, uh, the the, um,
[1:05:46] supplementary information be provided by
by the appropriate officials. So that's
[1:05:50] just an example. I know it's it's
something that municipalities are doing
[1:05:54] and that's why the jurisdictional scan
is important to see what what other
[1:05:58] lessons have been learned in other
jurisdictions that we're bound to learn
[1:06:02] uh but maybe haven't yet.
>> Go ahead.
[1:06:07] » Thank you. [clears throat]
Um, I think that the point about
[1:06:11] comments is important because if you're
if you're an institution in a in on a
[1:06:18] social platform
um
[1:06:23] if it's important that comments be
moderated and it's impossible to
[1:06:30] moderate comments in real time and it it
just it does create the potential for
[1:06:40] for risk to the organization because
once it's out there and it's on your
[1:06:46] platform, it's very difficult to rein
that back. So, I I mean, I think it's
[1:06:52] something that you need to look at very
very clearly. Anyway, I just uh I wanted
[1:06:57] to just acknowledge that this is a
deliberative body and we've had a
[1:07:02] terrific
conversation here this afternoon.
[1:07:07] um that will help staff. I hope that was
my intention in commenting
[1:07:12] um
understand where we feel as a community
[1:07:18] and there's a diversity opinion across
the table um and that you can help you
[1:07:23] can take that into account when you're
framing this policy. But ultimately
[1:07:29] um I just think it's really important
for us to acknowledge that this
[1:07:35] the communications director reports to
our CEO. He does not report to us and we
[1:07:41] should be not be we should not be
directing the the communications and I
[1:07:45] think that's where the whole issue began
with the recognition that maybe we need
[1:07:51] a communications policy. So
>> we do
[1:07:55] » and I agree with your comments with
regard to email
[1:07:58] » discussions. It's just um
>> it's trouble.
[1:08:01] » It's a problem. Yeah.
>> Yeah. Trouble.
[1:08:04] » Okay. So we're good.
All right. All those in favor?
[1:08:10] » I contrary motion carried. So we've got
correspondence here. Uh the Nova Scotia
[1:08:17] Health 911 calls.
So,
[1:08:22] and we've got actually we've got a a
motion underneath there. Was there
[1:08:26] anything we had to do with that
correspondence one?
[1:08:30] Okay. And then Chester's cab request,
does that go to
[1:08:36] Adam or I mean we've we've got that's
what we do is set. So what what I would
[1:08:42] suggest you do is
>> because that is a part of our bylaw
[1:08:46] setting rates, you could [snorts] refer
this to staff for for a report. Uh if
[1:08:51] you're not interested in a staff report,
if you're not interested in the concept
[1:08:54] and then then make that decision and and
we'll be done with it. Uh if you are
[1:08:58] interested in it, uh refer to staff and
we'll give you a report on on perhaps
[1:09:02] how to do it. You can do a one-off, but
I don't recommend it.
[1:09:05] » No, I don't either. Okay. So what do you
what do you want to do? I mean, I'm a
[1:09:10] fan of just leaving it.
[1:09:15] » Refer to staff.
>> Okay, there's a refer to staff. I'm not
[1:09:19] a refer to staff, but
>> for me, and that again, it's just my
[1:09:23] opinion. Uh, but the guy is just running
his own business and he's trying to do
[1:09:28] it in a particular way with a little bit
of promotion. And I really don't see a
[1:09:32] problem with it. But that's again,
that's just me. So, I think you're
[1:09:36] right. Absolutely right. If if it's okay
for one, it's okay for everyone. So
[1:09:41] maybe that has to that requires whatever
it requires, be it an amendment or a
[1:09:45] policy or whatever.
>> But uh I have zero problem with this at
[1:09:49] all.
>> Okay. So um so answer me this question.
[1:09:55] We have a policy I think in part we used
to have a taxi committee. I wasn't here
[1:10:02] but we had a taxi committee and um it's
that
[1:10:08] We set the rates partially, I would
suggest, because of the race to the
[1:10:11] bottom. So if it's 10, then I'm going to
do it for nine, then I'm going to do it
[1:10:15] for eight, then I'm then nobody's
winning. Nobody's getting anything. So
[1:10:19] as soon as he does this, the rest of
them are going to feel compelled to do
[1:10:24] it. Um, and then they're losing five or
they're losing whatever. That's just my
[1:10:32] thought. But anyway, if somebody wants
to make a motion to do whatever, then
[1:10:36] this is
that to me this is dangerous ground to
[1:10:39] walk on although I it's his it's his
business so he can do it but just get
[1:10:45] ready for the rest of them to come and
um
[1:10:49] » and we'll have to do it for all
>> so your worship uh taxi rates are are
[1:10:53] regulated through our taxi
>> bylaw
[1:10:56] » there is a provision within the bylaw
I'm told to that council can can make uh
[1:11:02] rate decisions um it's not clear on
through what mechanism them if it's
[1:11:07] policy or by motion or by law amendment.
But um my suggestion to you because I I
[1:11:13] I believe exactly what you said is that
nobody's getting rich in the taxi
[1:11:17] business. It's an important service to
have in a community and so you need to
[1:11:21] protect against the race to the bottom
that uh that it is a a business that
[1:11:27] someone can get into and and earn a
reasonable living. Um the the idea of
[1:11:33] discounting below the the floor uh if
it's done through a bylaw amendment
[1:11:38] would bring about a public hearing
because we don't have an advisory
[1:11:42] committee on this anymore. A public
hearing would allow other operators to
[1:11:46] to weigh in on the on the question to
participate in the public uh process. So
[1:11:52] that's likely the kind of information
you'll get back in a staff report.
[1:12:02] Okay, go ahead.
>> Yeah, just quickly, um, it occurs to me
[1:12:06] that by
>> we, like they said, we have a taxi board
[1:12:11] or committee that sets the rates
>> and we're discussing allowing one
[1:12:16] operator to change the rates because
that's in effect what he's doing. He's
[1:12:20] changing the rates. He's he's knocking a
percentage off each ride. Mhm.
[1:12:24] » Um, so I think it's dangerous to go down
that road without consulting with the
[1:12:28] people that are um that set those rates
without and and it would affect the
[1:12:33] bylaw. So I think it has to be referred
to staff.
[1:12:35] » Yeah, we Yeah.
>> Okay. So it's getting is that a motion
[1:12:40] to refer to staff? Okay. Can I have a
seconder?
[1:12:43] » Okay. Moved and seconded. Any more
discussion on this one?
[1:12:47] Okay. All those in favor?
>> Contrary and me.
[1:12:52] Okay. Good.
And then we have engineering. I don't
[1:12:59] know what I have. Okay. We have uh the
vending bylaw amendment proposal.
[1:13:09] Okay. [sighs]
[1:13:12] So, your worship, this letter um is a
proposal to amend the bylaw to extend
[1:13:17] the hours till 3:30 a.m. that a uh a
vendor could uh vend in the downtown.
[1:13:23] The proposal is that there are hungry
people late late at night, way past my
[1:13:29] bedtime. and uh and this uh proprietor
is is encouraging a bylaw amendment so
[1:13:36] that uh they can satisfy the need.
>> Okay.
[1:13:45] What do we want to do with this one?
[1:13:52] » Go ahead.
I'm not sure about the hours, but
[1:13:55] there's nothing inaccurate about this as
far as if you go downtown on a Friday or
[1:14:01] Saturday night, sometimes after 8,
there's nothing like we searched for a
[1:14:06] pizza to buy. KFC was closed. That one
was closed. That like you you can't buy
[1:14:12] food anywhere if you're out with a group
of people or alone or whatever. um a lot
[1:14:17] of times after 8, but definitely after
10, which I don't think is reasonable if
[1:14:22] there's a provision that we could create
to to
[1:14:28] have a person be able to open up and
sell some food after those hours. I'm
[1:14:32] not saying 3:00 a.m. I don't know if
that's a good time or not. I don't know.
[1:14:37] But we definitely need we definitely
need something done so people can buy
[1:14:42] food. I mean tourists come, they go for
a walk, they go to the beach, they go
[1:14:46] see the lighthouse, they go around and
then come back and what do you buy? Like
[1:14:52] everything's closed.
So just just an option possibly for
[1:14:56] those people, travelers and locals.
[1:15:02] No person with or without a vending
permit.
[1:15:07] Okay, here. No person with or without a
vending permit shall vend between 3:00
[1:15:13] a.m. and 8:00 a.m.
Oh, okay. They're saying they don't want
[1:15:17] to do They're saying up to 3. So, so the
current bylaw allows you to bend up
[1:15:23] until 11 p.m.
>> Uh, and the proposal that uh this vendor
[1:15:28] is is brought forward is uh
>> I believe it's 3 3:00 a.m. So allowed to
[1:15:34] vend until 3:00 a.m. So extend the
vending time by 4 hours. It doesn't mean
[1:15:39] a vendor has to, but it means they may
if they so choose if the bylaw amendment
[1:15:44] were if the amendment were to be taken
up by council.
[1:15:52] Go ahead.
>> Can't see a downside to this one
[1:15:56] at all. I agree with uh with uh Kelly.
It's uh it seems to me to be a
[1:16:01] no-brainer. Um there's a lot of bar
traffic that gets out at 2:00 and
[1:16:06] they're usually hungry. Um and uh and
there's a lot of people that work night
[1:16:11] shifts. So, it would accommodate those
two groups of people and it would um it
[1:16:16] would be beneficial to the vendors.
don't see a downside.
[1:16:22] » Go ahead, Derek.
>> Uh, I had my light on earlier and I took
[1:16:25] it off because I'm definitely not um an
expert on policy. So, I don't know what
[1:16:30] this means if if something were to
change, but um I agree. I think it I
[1:16:35] think it would make sense to have
something open because there is no place
[1:16:38] open at night. I think we've all said it
as well is if we want the downtown to be
[1:16:43] busier, we need things to be open in the
downtown. But we can't expect shop
[1:16:47] owners to stay open if they're not
getting the business. So, it's it's like
[1:16:52] a it's a double-edged sword because they
don't want to stay open and not get the
[1:16:54] business. We can't guarantee them the
business, but if somebody starts vending
[1:16:58] and starts making good money at it, then
maybe the shop owners will say it's
[1:17:02] worth staying open and, you know,
serving sandwiches or something. Um, but
[1:17:06] it would make it'd be nice. And I think
the um 8:00 a.m. changing from I think
[1:17:14] it was 11:00 a.m. or 1.
>> Yeah. From 11 till 3 there's nothing
[1:17:20] » or no from 3 till 8.
>> And I'm thinking I'm thinking 8:00 a.m.
[1:17:24] is probably for people going in the
morning for before they get on the boat.
[1:17:29] But there are things open at 8:00 in the
morning. So I don't but I think I'm just
[1:17:33] looking at the old policy.
Yeah, the old policy said so it's just
[1:17:38] switching the 11 to three,
>> I guess.
[1:17:41] » Whatever. Sorry. Whatever hours we would
want to put on there,
[1:17:45] » right?
>> Just do 24 hours. I don't care.
[1:17:47] » Yeah, I think it I think it looks good.
I just don't know what it what the
[1:17:50] implications are of, you know, changing
policy after the discussion we just had.
[1:17:54] So,
>> good. Go ahead. kind of in the same way
[1:18:00] that uh we talked about the uh the taxi
policy, although I do understand your
[1:18:05] points with that. We're not going to get
into that again, but every time
[1:18:09] something
that we do tells a business how they can
[1:18:13] run their business, it makes me itchy.
And so I really wasn't paying that close
[1:18:19] attention to know that there was a rule
against vendors being open beyond a
[1:18:24] certain time. If they're going to make
money, let them do it. I I just I don't
[1:18:29] see a problem. And it also feels a
little hypocritical for us to be trying,
[1:18:34] I know as a person who's involved in
tourism, you you're trying to in
[1:18:40] encourage as many businesses downtown as
possible, uh to stay open for the boats
[1:18:45] or for whatever to create kind of that
that final downtown that we were looking
[1:18:50] for. Telling people they have to close
down seems kind of counterproductive.
[1:18:58] Um
I I I agree like let them open. My only
[1:19:04] I think of the downside as where are you
going to be because it's obviously
[1:19:08] mobile, right? Where are you going to
be? So you're not going to plant
[1:19:12] yourself where there's um how do you say
people what what
[1:19:20] » Yeah. Okay.
>> You can't just walk.
[1:19:23] » All right. Because the last thing you
need at three o'clock in the morning is,
[1:19:27] you know, people leaving the bars and
making lots of noise.
[1:19:32] » Oh, you like that? Let them open.
>> Best hot dogs in the world were outback
[1:19:37] steamers.
>> Yes, sir. [laughter]
[1:19:42] » Yeah.
Yeah.
[1:19:45] But there are no houses there.
Okay. So, um, what do you want to do
[1:19:52] with this? Do you want to send it?
>> Chamber. Oh, sorry.
[1:19:58] » Oh, just
>> come on up, M. Go ahead. [laughter]
[1:20:00] » Oh my gosh. I I should know this, but
can you remind me where people are
[1:20:05] allowed to vend in the town of Yarmouth
>> because things change. I know where they
[1:20:12] I'm just I'm just trying to remember. Is
there
[1:20:15] » Can they vend anywhere or they only
>> Well, I thought there were spaces. Do
[1:20:19] you remember where? Well, that was that
was a long time ago.
[1:20:24] » Water
>> street.
[1:20:26] » Yeah, there's there's a bylaw. There's
designated areas. We can look it up, but
[1:20:29] it's not as it's not as uh
>> it's like they can't park in front of my
[1:20:33] house. That's what I [laughter] was
thinking. Like, I don't want to
[1:20:36] » It's not as limiting as it as it used to
be. You had You used to get a right to a
[1:20:39] very specific spot and we had them
painted on the street. Now it's more you
[1:20:44] can vend in an area, take a spot in an
area.
[1:20:47] » That's okay then.
>> Yeah.
[1:20:49] » Okay. What's up, Martin?
>> Nothing. I can just retrieve back to my
[1:20:54] spot, but essentially it was the it's
the location and and I think you said it
[1:20:58] as well, mayor. Um, do you feel as a
body to refer back to us? Be happy to
[1:21:03] look at it, work with it, and sort of
come back with something that addresses
[1:21:07] general nature of the discussion because
I mean 7:30 is a bit odd as well if you
[1:21:10] ask me, you know. Um and so we'd be
happy to sort of look at it, work with
[1:21:15] Adam and then come back with a package
and a set of amendments that um
[1:21:19] hopefully reflects uh the discussion and
then have you vote on that. But I think
[1:21:23] there's a general the sentiment um
around our office I think is very
[1:21:27] similar to what you've been saying and
happy to look at it and bring you
[1:21:30] something that you can work with.
>> Okay. So so the motion go ahead. So I'd
[1:21:35] make a motion to refer this to our
planning and development office ask for
[1:21:41] more work. Yes.
>> Is there an understanding at the with
[1:21:44] the understanding of that we are
interested in seeing them open?
[1:21:48] » We'll try to get it back to you as soon
as we can.
[1:21:51] » Don't even set it. 24 hours.
>> 24 open up.
[1:21:55] » You said it.
>> So when Jeff comes to work, he can grab
[1:21:57] a coffee.
>> It's really about the location, right?
[1:22:00] Like there's really very little reason
why we should restrict the hours as long
[1:22:03] as the location is correct.
>> Exactly.
[1:22:06] » But that's me without speaking with
people who really understand this.
[1:22:11] » Yeah. Okay. Can I have a seconder? Moved
and seconded. Any more discussion?
[1:22:17] All those in favor?
>> I contrary motion carried.
[1:22:22] Okay. Next is Okay. 911 calls.
The recommended motion there is to
[1:22:30] recommend the council direct staff to
build the department of health for the
[1:22:33] cost of false 911 calls originating from
the Yarmouth Regional Hospital. Were we
[1:22:38] not going to give them I I think I wrote
these two, but we agreed that we were
[1:22:43] going to give them a heads up.
>> Yeah, you can't just send somebody bill.
[1:22:47] You certainly can't send it retroactive
uh without any notice. So, we would
[1:22:51] provide them notice uh and as far as
establishing that rate, we'll come back
[1:22:56] to you with that. what the rate will be,
>> okay?
[1:22:59] » Uh and what it's based on. So, if the
motion passes, it will be it won't be
[1:23:03] just we'll run off willy-nilly and send
a a bill. It will be we'll do a little
[1:23:07] bit of work. We'll provide notice. We'll
get you to endorse the the rate and we
[1:23:12] will we will implement it.
>> How long is that going to take?
[1:23:16] » Not long.
[laughter]
[1:23:21] » Go ahead.
>> Okay.
[1:23:24] Um, in this case, you know, I read the
letter that was sent by the vice
[1:23:28] president and uh there's an admission
that the efforts they put in so far have
[1:23:34] fallen short. They've admitted that
>> and there's also a recognition that the
[1:23:39] problem is more complex than they
originally thought. They thought that
[1:23:42] they could just throw a few switches in
their telecommunications
[1:23:46] uh equipment and and all would be well.
Mhm.
[1:23:49] » And there's also the acknowledgement
that they're seeking a permanent
[1:23:52] solution and they've got their people on
the job. It's an active priority for
[1:23:56] them.
>> And there's a I think a suggestion that
[1:24:02] they would appreciate our patience.
>> Y
[1:24:04] » as they work for solutions. So I don't
know if I'd support sending them a bill
[1:24:09] at this point in time if they are um
committed to finding a a solution. Um,
[1:24:15] and we've lived with this problem for
how many years?
[1:24:18] » And I know we want to put an end to it.
That's I understand that,
[1:24:21] » but we've lived with it for so so many
years. And this is the first time that
[1:24:24] we've had this kind of an
acknowledgement that they're taking the
[1:24:27] situation seriously and they're going to
work on it and find a solution. So, I
[1:24:31] don't know if I could support a motion
that we send them a bill.
[1:24:34] » Yep. That's okay.
>> Anyone else?
[1:24:40] Um,
see, we can't send it retroactive
[1:24:43] because I would do that too. This has
been since 2025.
[1:24:48] So it takes a couple if it's going to
take a couple years to
[1:24:53] we are Yeah. My issue is our taxpayers
are paying big money for RCMP officers
[1:24:59] to run back and forth that many times.
But that's that's just where I am. And
[1:25:05] we're going to let them know according
to this one if it goes through.
[1:25:10] Anybody else?
um your worship. Uh I joined council I
[1:25:16] think in the fall of 21
and I'm pretty sure that the first
[1:25:22] police advisory committee meeting that I
attended this subject came up.
[1:25:28] » Yeah.
>> So we have been
[1:25:32] communicating with the hospital
>> years at least five years
[1:25:35] » for a long time.
>> Yeah.
[1:25:41] It's just and and it's not from from my
perspective. I'm not saying um we're
[1:25:47] going to bill you because you won't fix
it. That that's not it. They're working
[1:25:51] on it and I respect that. Um what we're
saying is you you can keep fixing it,
[1:25:57] but you're costing us t you're costing
our taxpayers money and that's we can't
[1:26:03] we can't we're supposed to look after
our taxpayers and their dollars. So, you
[1:26:08] know, with that the police are stretched
far enough without
[1:26:13] But I I take Gil's point as well. Go
ahead, uh Derek.
[1:26:16] » Um yeah, and the quarterly report at the
police advisory yesterday, the numbers
[1:26:20] were consistent with what they've been
for the last six years.
[1:26:23] » Yeah.
>> Um I think there's been times where
[1:26:26] they've been a little higher and a
little lower, but I was thinking this
[1:26:29] report that they might be lower. And um
but I've seen like walking up Chestnut
[1:26:34] Street um and hearing the sirens racing
up like when they get a 911 call they go
[1:26:40] fast and they're you know they're
getting to the end of Water Street and
[1:26:44] turning the wrong way to get past that
and it's it's dangerous when police cars
[1:26:48] are going that fast to get there. But
they have to react that way. But then
[1:26:52] you've taken if there's only you know a
couple members on you've taken those
[1:26:54] members brought them to the hospital um
and something else could be happening in
[1:26:59] the town at the same time. So, um, I
don't think it will ever probably get to
[1:27:03] a point of billing them. I think I think
the thought of this is going to cost
[1:27:08] it's going to cost them because this,
you know, the cost of what it costs for
[1:27:11] policing might encourage them to do it a
little faster.
[1:27:14] » Yeah.
>> Um, I think there's there's got to be a
[1:27:17] there can't be a hard a difficult
solution to this. I I I can't see it.
[1:27:22] » Okay. All right. Any more discussion?
All those in favor? I contrary.
[1:27:31] » Okay. And the next re recommended motion
is um to recommend that council direct
[1:27:37] staff to investigate frequency and
length of RCMP members tending to mental
[1:27:42] health patients at the Yarmouth Regional
Hospital due to lack of mental health
[1:27:46] services and invoice the Department of
Health for payment to the town. Um can I
[1:27:53] have a motion on that one? Moved. Can I
have a second? Moved and seconded. So
[1:27:57] this one
is it this one that was I mean there are
[1:28:02] other municipalities billing because
it's just it's just a high cost and
[1:28:07] there's not sitting there for half an
hour. They're sitting there for hours
[1:28:10] upon hours upon hours doing basically
babysitting mental health patients
[1:28:16] because there's no uh mental health uh
help up there in Yarmouth of all places.
[1:28:24] Go ahead. I'm quite sure that at police
advisory that it was mentioned I don't
[1:28:29] know if it was it wasn't yesterday maybe
the meeting before that the province is
[1:28:34] looking at hiring people to sit at the
hospital in place of that.
[1:28:38] » Mhm.
>> Um but I think if enough municipalities
[1:28:41] start once again if they start billing
they're going to hire them faster
[1:28:43] because I don't know if I don't know
what's incentivizing to hire
[1:28:47] » you know I think policing right now for
the ministers uh Minister Armstrong is
[1:28:51] very important. Um, so I think, you
know, they think they're going to be
[1:28:55] getting a a bill for this, maybe they'll
start hiring those other people to to be
[1:29:00] there with them. So,
>> yeah, it's a good point. Anyone else?
[1:29:05] And I know that they're working on this
because the the the RCMP has asked for
[1:29:09] this. You know, it's not um we good.
Okay. All those in favor?
[1:29:16] » I contrary motion carried. Uh
>> oh yeah.
[1:29:24] » Oh yes.
>> Uh Open Streets Milo Estates to
[1:29:29] recommend the council designate bid
90338666.
[1:29:34] 90338674
and 903386
[1:29:40] 82 is open streets.
>> Moved and seconded. Any discussion on
[1:29:45] this one?
All those in favor? I contrary
[1:29:51] motion carried and I think the only
addition I had was just committees in
[1:29:56] October just to be think because we redo
for committee members we have to look at
[1:30:00] so if you're thinking about anybody that
could be a committee member and then we
[1:30:04] will sit around the table and switch up
or do whatever we do uh in October. So
[1:30:10] just be thinking about where you want to
be and motion to go on camera. Uh
[1:30:16] » oh, sorry.
>> Could I ask that you adjourn this
[1:30:18] meeting?
>> Oh, yes. Yes. Yes.
[1:30:20] » Special council meeting and go in camera
there.
[1:30:22] » Yeah,
>> that unless does that work?
[1:30:26] » Yeah. Okay. Um motion to adjourn
[1:30:32] and then we're going to have a special
council meeting. Better be quick because
[1:30:36] Lindsay Okay, we good. All right. So,
council meeting and all the same
[1:30:42] information as before. Okay. What's your
issue for this? What are we doing? I
[1:30:48] don't
>> Thank you.
[1:30:53] » Got it.
Yeah. Watch this.
[1:30:58] You're going to I'm going to shock you.
>> Thanks, guys.
[1:31:05] Sorry.
You go.
[1:31:10] Call to order. Record of attendance
absent with regrets. Any conflicts of
[1:31:14] interest? Anybody?
[1:31:17] Okay. U Okay. So, we've we've got um
Okay. Can I have a motion to approve the
[1:31:23] agenda, please? Moved and seconded. Any
discussion?
[1:31:28] All those in favor? I. Contrary. Motion
carried. And we've got uh tender
[1:31:34] results. 2026 compost. uh that council
award the tender for the lease of two
[1:31:40] skid steer loaders for the compost
facility to to cat for a cost of $6,3495
[1:31:53] per month.
[1:31:58] Holy crap. Seriously, a month? Okay.
[1:32:05] Okay. Okay. Can I have a motion? Thank
you. Moved.
[1:32:09] » Yeah. Can I have a
>> very expensive?
[1:32:13] » I'm like,
>> do I have a seconder?
[1:32:16] » Don't post a picture of it.
>> No, I was just going to say and I
[1:32:19] promise I won't vote. Thanks, Derek.
[1:32:23] Who Who seconds?
>> Thank you. Any discussion on this one?
[1:32:28] Aside from the fact that that's really
expensive. All those in favor? I
[1:32:33] contrary motion carried uh personnel
policy that council amend the personnel
[1:32:40] policy to include 5.07 cent reduction
policy.
[1:32:46] Okay. Moved and seconded. Any
discussion?
[1:32:49] All those in favor? Contrary?
Motion carried. And the council amends
[1:32:55] section 5.02 of the personnel policy to
include violence prevention.
[1:33:01] Moved and seconded.
Seconded.
[1:33:06] All those in favor. [laughter] It's like
pulling teeth. I'm not a dentist. All
[1:33:10] those in favor? I. Contrary. Motion
carried. And then a motion to go in
[1:33:17] camera.
Thank you.