all right good evening everyone and
welcome to the february 7th 2022 regular
meeting of the council of the village
yellow springs
and we've already gotten this meeting
started we just came out of an executive
session so we're going to run right into
announcements and i'm actually going to
start off with a few and then if others
have them um
so i want to begin with as we get a
picture on the screen um just kind of
highlighting that i've got my bulldog
blue
got my button on
got my bulldog mug because i want to
give a big shout out to
two of our speech and debate students
who qualify for national are for states
they'll qualify for nationals too uh
this past saturday and that is jenny
meeken and adelia hallett
and so if you see them around town make
sure to give them a big shout out
because uh they're gonna be competing
with hundreds of kids across the state
and i think it's really exciting also i
wanted to thank bike yellow springs um
which is our local chapter of bike miami
valley they recently paid to have our
fix it station at the train station uh
get back into working order and um
that's a great asset that we have in
town for
plumbing up your tires and being able to
set up your bike if you have something
that you need to repair
i also wanted to mention uh that one of
our uh great team members johnny burns
had his birthday this past saturday and
um uh that came after a lot of uh snow
activity plowing whatnot so i do want to
thank the entire uh village crew
for all the work that they did during uh
all that snow activity
and um
one other thing i wanted to mention is
that uh our next meeting because uh it
will be president's day on february 21st
will happen on february 22nd
and uh so um just keep that in mind mark
your calendars i know that our council
meetings have become really popular
and the last thing i want to mention is
uh and i think we have something on the
screen for this as well
one of our um local citizens who has
done a lot of work to support the
village cindy seek
was awarded one of the top 100 public
service volunteers
uh they had over
700 applicants
they um
they came from 49 states and if you
don't know cindy seek she helped with
our culture of health initiative
she recently put in a lot of work um
volunteering to uh submit our rebuilding
america's infrastructure with
sustainability and equity and uh she's
just all around like always there to
support constructively all the great
things that we're doing in our community
so thank you cindy we appreciate you
and um i don't know if josue or any
other council members have any other
announcements
brian i would like to add to your your
um your statement about the preparation
for the snow i i want to thank my team
for having such a great uh contingency
plan in place you know when we have a
public works team that's responsible for
snow plowing power outages down branches
water mains it's one crew
responsible for all of those things and
we had a big
snow event coming through and we were
prepared to address any one of those
emergencies and it's all done with one
crew
so we've got an amazing team we're able
to work around the clock from wednesday
night into saturday morning uh to take
care of any issues that came up and
and my the team did such a great job i
couldn't ask for a better team so thank
you thank you all for what you do
all right any other announcements
okay
if not then we are going to uh move into
the consent agenda and um those are the
minutes from our last meeting as well as
the minutes from the work session that
we had
and i'll entertain a motion to approve
the consent agenda
approve the consent agenda
okay
and i heard a second
okay
and uh judy if you could call the role
please
yes stokes
mcqueen
yes
brown
yes thank you
okay
um next up is a review of the agenda
anything that we need to change add or
ma or delete
okay
hearing none i'm going to hand it over
to vice president kevin stokes to run
through our petitions and communications
thank you brian
and what i have what the clerk has
received this week
for petition communications in the
packet first of all we do have the
letter and certificate
from the small town regarding the small
town volunteer award for cindy sikh
nick buddhist has
provided a letter
from
regarding the glenn helen tecumseh land
trust grant award for site cleanup
alexandria scott
has a letter
requesting time on the agenda for
section 8 education she's representing
the inclusive brazilian yell springs
coalition
the mayor's clerk has the mayor's court
report there's two
instances of that
dino palada has a letter offering us
information regarding housing finance
information links
dino also issued a letter challenging
the pud process
max chrome has a letter with links to a
presentation by max crone
greene county community health
department
has information regarding a vaccine
clinic that'll be february 8
at antioch college
and we have a group of um
letters
uh some in support and some in uh
opposition to the pudding and i'll read
those off first the letters who that
came in in support of the pud
for the overall pud connie colette kathy
adams
and carolyn ray
those folks and entities that issued
letters
in opposition to the pud are sarah mabra
emily fober
brittany baum
catherine price
felicia chappelle
joanna schultz hermann
the resident activism of yellow springs
trustees max chrome
laura curless
and
shirley christensen
and that is all we have for petitions
and communications thank you very much
thank you kevin all right so we're going
to move into our um legislation and
first up we have the second reading of
ordinance 202202
and judy we can read that in by title
only
right this is rezoning 52.65 acres of
property located north of the east hyde
road and west of spillane road to
planned unit development residential pdr
and amending the zoning map thereby
approving the preliminary development
plan
all right can i get a motion
i move
second
and there's a second
okay um all right so before we open the
public hearing i would just like to ask
council members
knowing that we've had over 20 hours of
discussion on um the pud
and uh i believe most of us have been
eating breathing sleeping um the pud for
the last couple months
what is it that
council members need to make their
decision
uh and so
feel free to mic on and just kind of let
me know
how
uh you want to run things like the
citizen comments and so forth um so that
we get what we need
well brian first of all if you'll allow
me oh yeah kevin please
yes this kevin stokes um
due to potential complex adventures i'm
going to recuse myself from this hearing
and from discussion and from any vote
on this legislation
thank you
okay thanks kevin
all right and i know that josue will be
removing your privileges and you're
camering off
um
so
mary ann mcqueen anything in particular
that you're looking for in this
discussion or with our um citizen
comments
i do have some points that i would like
to make and i have written out a bullet
point
uh presentation to go over that
i can do that now or i could do that
after citizen's comments and whatever
the pleasure of counsel is
okay well i think uh i think that that
is up to you
um
sorry we'll maybe we'll come back in a
minute lisa krieger anything that um
you're looking for to help make your
decision
um yeah i i am in particular thinking a
lot about the financial scrutiny of the
cost benefit analysis
um as well as um
uh the element about the um
complementary
mix of housing types those are the
things that are on my mind tonight
as i approach this boat
okay uh carmen how about you
i'm ready to go i'm good
good
okay and um i i think the main thing
i'll emphasize is um
we've heard a lot of comments um i i
think we would be looking for any uh new
uh information um because i think mostly
what we've heard has been sort of
repeating the the same issues which we
have certainly listened to and we've
read all the letters and and certainly
talked to a lot of people
um the other thing is we are going to be
limiting comments to two minutes
and um uh we'll need to make sure that
people are really clear about um giving
their name and their affiliation as they
as we requested last time
um and that is your affiliation to the
village
um with our
um group that's having the watch party
i'm not exactly sure what's the best way
to to work that because we'll need to be
bouncing around with comments um it
seems like you're texting judy
so maybe judy can kind of help
facilitate letting me know who wants to
speak
and um otherwise
uh
just remember that we will not tolerate
any personal attacks um if those occur
then we will have to mute you
and um
i think that's about it judy any other
protocol that i'm missing
i don't believe so no
okay
um so marianne back to you do you want
to make your comments now or wait till
after the citizen comments
i can talk now okay go ahead
so i there are four
four points that i would like to make
uh first is i'd like to just go over
what the two options are before us
the second i'd like to register my
concern about some of the tactics that
are being used to oppose the development
i'd also like to briefly speak to the
ecology of the the site itself
and lastly just what i see is the
opportunity
so
um
you know we're in this little village
but we're in this country where
i don't know 30 or
40 percent of the people i guess think
that president trump won the election
i'm not sure what that proportion is
which seems odd
but i have to say that
it also seems odd that in this village
i believe there's approximately the same
percentage of people
who don't understand that there are two
options for this development either a
pud
or a single family
subdivision
and i think we've tried to put that
information out i understand that it can
be confusing
it involves property rights subdivision
rights zoning code building codes
and the role of the comprehensive land
use plan
so i'd like to first just discuss very
briefly the piece of negotiating for the
pud which took over a year and involved
our staff
so if if you're negotiating that means
you have to have something
to put on the table you have to have
something you want you have to have
something that you can
that that you can give
in this case
the village did not have a lot of
play playroom here because ober already
had what they wanted they wanted to do a
single family subdivision
so i think it speaks
well of ober that they were willing to
spend uh over a year to work with
primarily our staff
and i particularly think it speaks well
of our staff
who were willing and able to negotiate
the deal that they did
so i'm talking particularly about josue
salmeron our village manager
johnny
burns our public work director
and uh denise swinger our planning and
zoner
person
judy kintner has been involved and our
attorney
brianne parcells has as well
but these people have put their heart
and soul for the last year into this
negotiation
and we have been getting a lot of uh
emails of people who mistakenly i
don't understand
that the village just did not have
anything to offer really other than
the goodwill of oberer
or their their interest in being a good
neighbor
and frankly i cannot think of anyone in
the village who could have done a better
job than our staff
and i'm going to be sarcastic here
but if you think you could have done a
better job
then i suggest you
put your name in for one of those
positions because if i were one of our
staff at this point i might be thinking
about working someplace else for more
money at a place that appreciated the
work that i did
so
set that emotionality aside
my sense is that there have been three
groups of people who've been opposing
the pud
the biggest group i think are people
that don't understand
that just what i've said that there are
two options
there's a second group and it's a small
group i think who do understand they
they understand that
the option is a single family
subdivision and they prefer that
that's cool
i i don't that's not what i think but uh
i can see i can see some rationale in
that decision
then there's another group and i don't
know how big it is
who do understand that there are two
options
and their strategy
is to convince people to oppose the pud
and then work to
put roadblocks in the way so that oberer
cannot do the single-family subdivision
and an email that i had from someone in
this group sort of says i think sort of
what the strategy is
slow down the developer make it more
difficult
more expensive and time consuming
consuming
increasing the chances that they will
sell to a party that actually has love
for the village
well
a party who actually has love for the
village already had a chance to buy the
property and that party didn't
but well whoever that party is or may be
i didn't
judith hemfling
who with her she and i sort of led the
community effort to save the white owl
farm we didn't do it the village
government didn't home inc didn't um the
chamber didn't the foundation didn't uh
the community development corporation
none of us who live in the village who
knew that that property was for sale for
or was available at any rate sitting
there for decades none of us bothered to
go around and try and buy it
but oberer did
so i have a problem
with the idea that
of trying to put roadblocks and
hamper and hassle this process in order
to push ober out so that
someone else can buy the property we had
our chance it's our bad we didn't do it
and i have to say that
at least max chrome who is leading one
of these efforts and i assume dave
chappelle
is involved in this as well
max has said publicly that he's looking
out for his business interests and
dave's business interests
i have asked
what is it in their business interest
that this
development is going to hurt and
in the interest of transparency
i would like to know but right now we've
received one of our council members has
received a legal threat from max
and now we're being asked
on a fishing expedition which is what
it's called to send all of our emails
from august 1st
to
max's attorney
i just see that as part of this
uh harassment in terms of what i think
about
so the property itself there have been
people have talked about the property of
screen you know it has a stream in it
etc
well not everything that's green is a
pristine natural property three
three-fifths of that property has been
farmed with industrial agriculture
industrial agriculture is contributing
to thirty percent of our greenhouse gas
emissions it also has uses fertilizer
pesticides herbicides that flow into
that creek and that flow into the little
miami river so this is this is not like
some nature preserve that we're putting
housing on the creek itself has been
channelized as sort of a creek sort of a
drainage ditch
has much
honeysuckle around it
scrub trees it's not exactly a pristine
site i will say it has a mother of all
oak trees on that
site which i will ensure gets preserved
and i will be the first person up there
if there's any danger for that tree
so
in closing
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we didn't do what we could have done we
everyone in this community acquired that
property we didn't do it
so i want to encourage people rather
than trying to stop this project let's
do what we can do to make this a great
neighborhood for example this could be
the first neighborhood in yellow springs
that has all natural plants that's a
natural habitat neighborhood that would
be a first not just in yellow springs
but probably in all of ohio
so
i will end
with that
thanks
okay thank you marianne um all right so
we're gonna shift to uh citizen comments
and um again using the raise your hand
symbol would be the best way for me to
be able to recognize who wants to speak
and uh i saw matthew kirk's hand go up
before we even started so uh matthew
i'll begin with you
hey how's it going brian
good all right i will do my best to uh
keep it to two minutes there's a
kind of a lot to unpack still
um
i guess the biggest thing and i want to
say you know i was part of the community
group that uh worked with cosplay on
this project and i was really excited
when we first started talking about it
and the idea of these duplexes was
brought in instead of single family
homes because in my mind that meant
rental opportunities
however once the plan actually was
presented my view salaried because what
i saw before me we're not duplexes but
we're a product that's actually called a
twin hole
and uh the way this is being set up is
these are really functioning as
condominiums
you know uh the grass is gonna be mowed
by the hoa the snow removal is going to
be done by the hoa
and so just by virtue of including those
that property is going to have to have
an hoa in perpetuity
at no point you know will it be able to
kind of fall into the natural fabric of
yellow springs
um and be have it you know property
owners be able to have their own
definition of what they want to do there
and when you really look at the brass
tacks of the project
it's roughly the same number of homes
roughly the same amount of revenue from
a tax perspective
um
one thing that we're doing though is
we're taking a significant portion of
the property and allocating it to
more of a niche classification
where single-family homes 8 out of 10
new home buyers that's what they prefer
no matter the age range
so really that is going to be a more
diverse product i think it's going to
integrate into the community better in
the long term whereas what we're really
getting is a single family home
development and a condominium
development uh right next to each other
essentially
um and so i think it's important to kind
of understand the framing and also
understand how those products attract
different home buyers
and what it is we're trying to attract
as we're a community that's trying to
get uh younger
sorry
that's two minutes
all right
matt met your muted i promise i didn't
do
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brian i i hear you i see you moving your
lips or you're trying to
speak
shoot sorry yeah um i was saying john
phoenix so yes jonphy go ahead
okay i had three
points of
why not to to
or why to reject
uh the putt
but i'ma start out with my solution
which i see max is already on to
and it is you know to prevent this from
happening in the future
on other issues as well
we should have a uh review of how this
plan developed and rolled out with
little or no community input
because that's why we're at where we're
at right now
in other words transparency of a process
so that's
my solution oriented to keep things like
this happen because this has happened on
other issues
selection of the police chief selection
committee
review of the citizen review board and
other things
that have been surreptitiously behind
doors and then presented to communities
uh so transparency process
uh reasons
this should be rejected because this is
it's uh
the social normal social economic
overlay is just it's
is flat out disgusting
just because it's small scale is still
the type of
social engineering of 70 60 years ago
where
low-income people were were coerced or
herded into a certain part of the city
into
tenements and
projects
secondly
uh it's overly obvious that ysdc has
been stroking oberer for months or years
for personal reasons
of building a personal legacy never
minding what the community wants or
needs
it should be rejected for that alone
and
finally it's the sole purpose of counsel
to do the people's bidding
and the people have spoken
against the against this seemingly
well it's not seemingly it's a cereticis
unilateral wet dream of counsel in ysdc
so i demand rejection
of
approving the pud
and if i could end with a two-sentence
quote
judy
uh be quick the first man who having
fenced in a piece of land said this is
mine and found people naive enough to
believe him that man was the true
founder of civil society
from how many crimes wars murders from
how many
and misfortunes might not anyone have
saved mankind
by pulling up those stakes and filling
in that ditch and crying to fellow
humans beware of listening to this
impostor you are undone
if you once forget that the fruits of
the earth belong to us all
equally and the earth's the earth itself
to no one
jean jacques rousseau
thank you
okay uh thank you jonphy i do want to
speak to transparency uh matthew kirk
did highlight that we had a citizen
group
um and i think most people that are
familiar with development projects know
that some negotiations do not happen in
public but we've had a lot of public
process all right i saw lisa able next
all right um
i just had a question maybe brian you
can address this which is how did ysdc
get thrown under the bus with this
project
we're not we're not at all related to it
anyway yeah have no idea
i wanted to take just a minute to
explain
um what i know about groundwater in in
the area of uh of the development
in 2001 i worked for
ysi and i was the project manager of the
groundwater contamination project ysi
and
i learned some things about groundwater
contamination and about
soil contamination
the first thing i learned is that soil
doesn't move
uh especially when it's underneath the
surface
and so what happens is if soil gets
contaminated
um
what happens to the contamination is it
moves via water
so
rain flows through the soil
water flows down until it hits something
and then it starts to move in the
direction of ground
water
so that's how it happens everywhere in
this particular part of of the village
that layer of rock that the groundwater
hits is generally
10 to 20 feet
below the surface
uh
and that's and then below that is a is a
limestone aquifer that's somewhere
around uh 40 to
maybe 50 feet 30 to 50 feet down
most folks in the region who are on
groundwater
get their groundwater
their drinking water through a wealthy
drill that's in that first limestone
aquifer
so when ysi had this contamination
project
we drilled i don't know dozens of wells
at various levels that shallow
intermediate and deep
to hit all the aquifers to try to figure
out where the groundwater contamination
was
the sources were at ysi
and um
and residential wells that were in this
region were also used as part of trying
to delineate where these plumes were
um
so i guess if
what my point is if there was a dump
that contained anything that would have
impacted
groundwater in terms of contaminants
that that are drinking water standard
issues for epa
those contaminants would have been found
during the 20 years that ysi was
monitoring wells and they were not
and if there had been
say the same chemicals but in a
different quantity at that site the
oversight
there would have been a spike in the in
the downstream wells
that would have indicated hey there's
something else going on that's not at
ysi it's between ysi and this well
and those spikes were also not found in
the groundwater wells
so anyway those are the couple things i
just wanted to to let you all know about
a little bit of history from 20 some
years ago
all right thank you very much lisa um i
saw johnny dredd next
all right
can you hear me i'm unmuted can you hear
me anybody
yeah okay okay i'm sorry to make this
quick mr house i want to say last
weekend i think it was our last village
meeting it was three minutes and now
it's two minutes i prepared a three
minute thing so if you just give me a
second i promise no personal attacks
just i'm not anywhere else with my own
house i want to start now i want to
start by saying i got to make this quick
oh this sucks i'm a resident i'm a
single father i'm a renter here for
nearly 15 years just this year i was
able to afford to buy a house in the
village yay when i moved to town i did
so because it was a diverse it was a
multifarious it was a liberal community
and it was the only place that i felt
safe being a black single father raising
bi-racial kids my kids started at mills
lawn and they're in uh they're in the
high school now
and when i moved here i was welcomed by
an artistic a musical and an
intellectual community they've helped
raise my kids and it's the same
community that times helped me pay my
village utility bills
um and the community that i knew then
has slowly been priced out i was shocked
when i heard of this like tikitaliki
development being presented on outskirts
of town and to be honest i was a little
embarrassed
i felt like
you guys went behind her back she
developed it for a year and i didn't
have any input
and it's kind of too late i'm sorry but
it's a little too late to recommend that
we do a better job or that you guys were
surmising you could have done a better
job because you did it without our input
and that's that's offensive to me i i
feel upset about that
so the other thing is i've been watching
the conversation develop into one that's
like
divisive and it's overbearingly been
lost in the minutia of this like faux
immediacy or codes or environmental
impact and i feel like this isn't an
instance of us looking a gift horse
in the mouth but it's more like checking
the inside of like a trojan horse before
it comes into our city you know
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uh really quick the elephant in the room
it seems that nobody wants to uh discuss
the opinion or the influence of mr
chappelle and i'll be honest i'm not a
friend of his i've never been to his
house i don't have his phone number okay
but i do recall him mentioning that if
he were to
if we were to uh move forward with this
project that he would he would pull out
of his holdings in the village and i've
gotta ask like i've been to juke joints
i've been to summer camps we've closed
we as a village have closed off the
streets for his concerts his cultural
infusion into this town has been
long-standing we've been international
guests grace our village i've seen him
raise and champion our villagers
uh
and it's not because he needs to
it's not because he economically needs
to do this stuff
it's not something the the issues that
we've had can be just fixed by hanging a
black lives matter's flag over 68 and i
i'd i'd be foolish to say if it wasn't
dave's influence mr chappelle's
influence doesn't bring some villagers
or outside of towners to town uh and
from the outside like i said
he doesn't need us
right he's here because he loves it
but now what is it
no it's not been it's only been two it's
only been two let me just speak for a
little more i don't ask we do have to
move on but thank you i i think you made
uh all right i'll raise my hand if i can
come back maybe later at the end i
appreciate it thank you very much i
respectfully appreciate you guys thank
you
okay um i
saw the mills park ballroom next and i
guess let's just be clear on
who's speaking um
so
i can go ahead and mike on
all right
okay uh
are you guys miking on
oh i gotta
okay we can hear you now max
you can hear us
yeah
okay thank you please don't count that
against my two minutes
um
first marianne there's way more than two
options there's an infinite number of
options um even what's in front of you
today there's at least four there's
approve deny approve with conditions and
table it that's at least four
if you deny
or table it that opens up the rest of
the world possible
there's not just two possibilities um
i'm not in any of the groups that you
mentioned um i'm in a group
of one
someone who has 30 years of experience
in projects just like this who really
knows how to read the code and who has
some other ideas i'm respected all over
the country from ideas about this but
the door has been slammed in my face in
yellow springs my whole town i don't
know why
i got an attorney because brian house
kept implying that i was being dishonest
with my underlying intentions that i was
spreading misinformation
i have to protect my very very valuable
reputation that's why i got an attorney
i don't want to sue anybody i don't want
to hurt anybody in this town i'm here
because i love this town i want to make
this a better place
i i've withdrawn any threat of suing
brian but i asked stop calling the
things that i say misinformation when
you you're not going to need what that
misinformation is if i'm wrong about
something let me know we'll straighten
it out
um
oh
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can you hear me
yes okay
so
uh
lisa i want to say i have experience
with the ysi balloon too
i grew up between ys science development
and i drank that painted water for 18
years okay i know all about it so it's
extremely offensive to me when you try
to sweep my environmental concerns under
the rugs
there was a dump there guys let's just
accept that fact i asked you to call mr
strewing and just ask them but no one's
taking the trouble to do that
um
for decades
our village council
has held the line they've stopped the
minutes
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they've stopped development in this town
why won't you
okay thanks max
um all right i saw ellis jacobs next
thanks hi um can you hear me okay here
we go yeah
okay good uh it's always an interesting
discussion and i'm always thrilled to be
at meetings with fellow villagers that
have strong opinions and express them so
well
um
affordable housing is a critical need in
our community and i really wish this
proposal
in the pud had more of it
but i know the council has strongly
supported
initiatives for affordable housing in
this town for the last several years and
really for quite a while
and so i would
i think it's
i believe that that our staff people who
negotiated with uber knew that and made
their best effort to try to come out of
this negotiation
with ober
uh with some affordable housing and they
did get some stuff some things that i
think would be valuable they are in fact
valuable for our community i think
marianne said it correctly that they
went into the negotiations we
went into this negotiations with way
less leverage
than i wish we had than we should have
had and in fact we got to fix it we got
to figure out why we had so little
leverage and we got to fix that into the
future
but i'm concerned and i've listened
carefully to the people that are
opposing this pud i'm concerned that i'm
not hearing a viable strategy to get a
better result
what i'm hearing is a strategy that will
probably
most likely end up with us getting a
large development of single-family only
residents that cost a lot of money
and so in the absence of
something better
i think we need to look seriously at
what's on offer and we need to tell
ourselves that we're going to fix the
problem that
resulted in us having so little leverage
so with apologies to our avian friends
i'll say sometimes a burden of hand is
better than two in the bush
okay thank you ellis
all right um john hempflink
hi
um
thank you
uh yeah what i wanted to say was i think
very similar to uh what else said
that basically
um
clearly under the pud
uh the village will
get some land um
donated to the village um to develop
affordable housing on um
and
sorry
i guess you know listening to what
council has said so far you know i've
definitely heard um support for
affordable housing occurring on
um at that land so
um i think that that you know explains
um some of the support on council for
the pud application um there's and also
i've heard um some concerns about
gentrification occurring due to the
development
and between um the pud and the parallel
plan
um it seems obvious that the parallel
plan would result arguably
proportionately more gentrification
since you would only since it wouldn't
contain no affordable housing um i
haven't heard council express any
concern any
sort of desire for single family housing
over duplexes and townhouses or over a
park or over
the affordable housing
and so
i guess that's a good reason to feel
like
council and maybe most the community
actually prefers the beauty over the
parallel plan
um
and if council sort of disagrees with
their own lawyers
basically legal view
that
if this if the pd is rejected then the
parallel plan um will move forward i
guess i just urge those council members
to move to table to get other legal
advice if they doubt their own lawyer's
view
although i suppose that that would only
just be like a
necessary but not
sufficient condition so i should have
prepared more
for opposing the pud um because arguably
even with um
more time and slightly more leverage
it's still a little bit questionable
whether the village really could get a
better plan um
thank you
all right thanks john
um amy walmsley
okay amy i think you're on okay sorry
i'm
struggling apparently okay here we go
good evening my name is amy wamsley and
i'm speaking as a concerned community
member not as a member of the arts and
culture commission or any other
organization in which i am affiliated i
want to thank all of you for your
service to our village a village that
prides itself on activism fighting for
the truth transparency equity and
diversity unfortunately with due all due
respect i am finding that the process in
communication around the pud has not
been representative of our village the
faq came out almost a month after a
council member requested it
um
and uses the voice of ober and some of
the questions are not completed for
example question number nine
specifically states side loaded garages
are a popular feature in many of our
subdivisions and question number four
was not fully answered the answer only
refers to the pud zoning and not the ra
zoning as requested from a citizen's
perspective how can council make an
unbiased educated decision when the
requested faq by council does not give
the entire picture of the questions that
are not fully answered how can villagers
have confidence in a document that lacks
detail and clearly appears one-sided to
the pud in the voice of ober question
30's response under cluster development
in the remaining area or open space
needs to be large enough to have an
economic use or be accepted as part of
the park or other maintained or
preserved open space if this site were
clustered onto a small site the
resulting open space would not be large
enough for that use a clear cut nine
acres of trees was approved nine acres
is not only enough to be a park it is
what is it is what the comprehensive
plan actually requires with the pud of
this size when looking at the comp plan
and mentions moving senior houser closer
to the downtown area for walkability
accessibility
now we are being sold housing as
potential retiree housing so far out of
town it will be on property that we
annexed i'm generally concerned that
there is a consideration to put the work
that defines the village of yellow
springs to the side for what seems to be
mostly 1.75 acres and some playground
equipment playground equipment that is
being placed next to a drowning hazard
for children which by the way approving
with modifications could not change
where that playground equipment is
placed the village celebrates those
governmental agencies accountable
therefore i am asking that council
either request a postponement until you
receive the information that you need or
request
uh a request and requested or vote no
against the pud proposal thank you
all right thank you amy
um
e fleck
hello um my name is eve fleck i live on
the corner of randall road and margaret
drive i've lived here since 1987 and
i've been active in the village in lots
of ways
the affordable housing will be directly
behind my house and the side of my house
and i just want to say that i'm in favor
of that i look over the plan i don't
really want to see
all giant single-family homes and i've
also heard from some retirees
that they would like to have some sort
of condominium option which is why park
meadows is often very popular that they
don't want to be shoveling snow or
living in a four bedroom house but
anyway i wish the poud was different i
wish it were better i wish it were more
to my liking but this is what we have
and in
that sense i'm
i'm in favor i want to see some
affordable housing
thank you
um
diane chitister
hi good to see everybody um i'm a
40-year resident of yellow springs and
as
in my previous job at the yellow springs
news i covered a whole bunch of village
council meetings
and covered things like the bow and
housing needs study
and i'm i'm for the pud i i hope console
approves of it
my work covering console convinced me
that the village definitely needs more
housing of diverse kinds diverse prices
diverse sizes and critically needs
affordable housing and the pud provides
takes us down the road toward meeting
these needs it provides some of this far
more than residents say which only
provides
one kind of housing uh big houses big
lots
and my understanding is that's the only
other option other than the pud so
definitely i'm i'm supporting the pud
a lot of the opposition toward the
project comes from neighbors and that's
understandable neighbors have
have legitimate interest
but those interests are not the same as
the interests of the community as a
whole
and it seems to me that the pud does
meet the needs the interest of the
community as a whole
so i urge consul to vote for it
that's all
all right thank you diane
um kate hamilton
hi thanks um
president grew up here moved away
came back to raise our children here
um when we were looking for a home about
nine years ago we were unable to find
one
so we ended up building in birch three
which i never planned on building a
house i this used to be a field
but it was all that was available
basically at that point
i remember asking my developer
why don't you build some duplexes in the
middle part there was this like island
that my kids called
coop island because people walked their
dogs there and didn't clean up after it
anyways
um he said oh well you know we wanted to
do that and we tried to do that
but the neighbors were opposed to it
and so i recently read a news article
back in
2008 this happened before i had moved
here
and sure enough yeah neighbors didn't
want it they didn't want
that look they didn't want their
property values to go down i do think
that some of the neighbors speaking out
against this
subdivision are worried about the
property values and they need to be
honest about that
um
i support the pud i think we need a
diversity of types of housing
and
being a person that lives around a bunch
of big houses
this this doesn't represent what most of
our community looks like
um
yeah i support it
and it's i'd rather stay a field with
deer frolicking and all of that you know
and i'd like to be 35 years old again
but this is our reality and our staff
and our village manager have worked
extremely hard to make the best out of
this situation
thanks
all right thank you kate
um
jamie fine
oh my god
hi all thank you for the opportunity to
comment um i'm visiting briefly from
california my name is jamie fine i'm the
son of joan fine who lives on east
limestone street where i grew up
i wanted to let you know that i spent
time playing in that land with max and i
do recall that that was a garbage dump
we used to collect garbage and make
flotation devices and max used to try to
convince me to get on those flotation
devices in that pond
i think um what i'm hearing and seeing
is
that
there's a real need to slow down and
allow for more more investigation
further deliberation and more of this
civic discourse that yellow springs is
known for
um i um
i do recognize there's a need for
additional site assessment due to the
proximity of groundwater contamination
the history of the site being used as a
dump and what i can see is an incomplete
evaluation of the environmental
attributes and potential for sensitive
habitat
i do want you to know that i'm a senior
economist at environmental defense fund
where i've worked on environmental
policy and advocacy for over 30 years i
took a look at the overall proposal on
the 366 page proposal because i was
particularly interested in what the
fiscal impacts of the proposed project
which adds 10 of population to the
community are going to be and how those
are going to be mitigated and i really
didn't find anything so uh council
craiger i understand that's one of the
questions you have and with a little
more time and more investigation i'd be
happy to offer my help in understanding
those potential impacts and how we can
mitigate them
with more deliberation we can use what
we have as a community and that's time
and leverage
we can see that leverage in the room
today thank you very much
okay thank you jamie
um okay
uh next i see eric oberg
thank you
okay hold on a second um
okay so
uh
watch party guys um you need to figure
out a way to mute yourselves or i guess
otherwise leave the meeting and come
back
um so
okay
so eric go ahead yeah i just i i wasn't
going to make a comment tonight but i
just i wanted to point out something
that i heard that i
i guess i i want to hope that it's not
what somebody meant but i heard a
comment from the ballroom that
decades of village councils have stopped
development
and we hope that this council will stop
development too
i kind of want to point out that the
fact that we stopped development for
decades is why we're in the problem we
have with a lack of housing a lack of
diversity and a lack of availability so
if that's really the stance of a large
group of people in this town that come
hell or high water we want all
development stopped i would love that to
just be said honestly
but i heard the statement i hope it was
wrong
thank you
all right thanks eric
uh judith hemphlay
uh hello there
can you hear me brian yeah you can't yes
okay i just want to say you know i think
every council member
ran on a platform of affordable housing
i believe as marianne said there are two
choices we can have our a and i think
that will start probably around four
hundred thousand dollars per home
or we can have a pud where we will where
the village council where the village
will
be donated
almost two acres of land where 20 to 28
units of affordable housing
can be built it will be donated for
affordable housing
council members have ran on
a support of affordable housing
the ra will provide no affordable
housing
i'm very much with ellis
jacobs
i'm very much with people who want more
diversity in this community
the affordable housing can be affordable
to the people that the
village
council can work
you know that the village council wants
to serve you guys get to decide
[Music]
if you want it for people very low
income
per the federal
uh
guidelines on affordable housing you
know a little higher income modest
income
but a lot of the affordable permanently
affordable housing in the village is
serving
people with low
to very modest income
i don't see how r.a gets us what i had
understood when i voted for several of
you guys
i don't think it it gets us affordable
housing that you had committed to so i
urge you to
stick to your commitments
um
and please do vote for this pud
thank you
all right thank you
uh patrick lake
patrick are you uh able to mic on
i don't really see anything okay there
we go all right patrick
okay but we cannot hear you
it looks like he's on as an individual
and in the ballroom
oh i see okay
all right
patrick try to mike on now
i'm gonna have a bunch of feedback can
you unmute the ballroom so i can speak
their place
uh
sure uh whoever can unmute the ballroom
thank you
okay brian can you hear me we can
okay excellent speak right into it
uh council members and my fellow young
springers
our council seems trigger-ready to set a
dangerous precedent
passing this dud will begin the erosion
of cultural diversity and our uniqueness
the exact thing that has drawn and held
yellow springers to this place the place
we all love
are we ready to welcome panera bread
walmart and cracker barrel next
whether for or against this pud there is
so much that we all agree on here we
want to see why us grow
we want to see increased access to
affordable rentals we want to see
preservation of green natural and
important spaces and we want to see that
anything that is done here
meets our quirky needs and values
we hope the council will stand with us
and push back against this development
i'm heartened that sugar creek township
leaders felt empowered by their
community's visioning documents and
comprehensive land use plan and
emboldened by the support of their
residents to stand up to ober and fight
for a development that adheres to their
values it's a fight that continues
i urge council to stand up for us
this does not adhere to our values and
if you will not listen to us i will be
fully supporting the referendum to
overturn this terrible decision for our
community
more retirees and less jobs will not
sustain our community past the next
decade as jobs leave so will young
people eventually so will our schools
i don't want to see yellow springs die
with my parents generation
i'm sorry that our council lacks the
vision to see the significant and
damaging effects passing the pud would
have but i stand ready to overturn their
decision with my fellow community
members because i will fight to keep
yellow springs weird and vibrant full
stop
let's go
[Applause]
okay thank you patrick
next we've got um
matt rasca
i would like to pass sorry
okay
all right um
see okay so i don't see any hands up all
right so what
i am going to oh no here's i see dino
and then matthew
patricia brown
that as well all right so let's let's
put on dino and then we'll get to pat
next
okay dino you should be able to mic on
okay there you go thank you
members of council
if you're going to attempt to pass
this beauty then for the good of the
village and the safety of the village
add the phase to study as a modification
with respect to the dump in the former
ysi plume
council person krieger
we've all read your emails saying that
you are fearful that oberor will pull
the pud if you put a
modification on it
let me be first to say ober is a big
company and they can make their own
decisions you don't need to make that
for them
ober does this for a living and a phase
two study is nothing new to them
in the same token we need our council to
make decisions in our best interest
however from your email you're voting
from a position of fear
for almost the entire last two years you
have not held in person council meetings
due to covet you did for a moment and
then you went back to zoom
and you've you've uh demanded that
central businesses be matched up you
stated it was for the safety of you and
the villagers
however
when it comes to the uber project you're
looking the other way by not placing a
phase two study on the pud
you're disregarding the safety of the
village and its people the consistency
here is your inconsistency
operating and voting from a position of
fear is not good leadership rather let's
vote from a position of strength and put
our safety first by adding the phase two
modification
do the right thing for the safety of our
village please
thank you
okay thank you dino
um all right pat
brown no
hey we can hear you
i wanted to say a couple things one is
we desperately
need
housing in yellow springs
there are very very few lots available
our school system will be in trouble in
a few years if we do not have more
housing we have if we have more people
students coming from outside than inside
we will be in trouble we need housing
this plan with the pud
provides
both single-family homes which probably
will have children in them maybe seniors
too
it also provides uh the townhouses where
people can buy two of them and rent one
out if they want i know a couple people
would love to do that
uh it provides especially
more affordable housing which we need
the pued is the best plan we get and i
thank the village for working so hard
with ober to come up with a plan that is
going to provide us housing it's not a
perfect plan but what option do we have
a or pud
i say do pud we need it it's not going
to hurt us i live in a pud now we have
very expensive houses we have home ink
houses we have medium houses we all get
along and we all love each other you
don't have to have us segregated
a community that has all of this stuff
is much better than one that has only
one little part of it
vote for the pud please
okay thank you pat
um all right so i wanna take a minute to
uh clarify one thing um and just make it
super clear and i appreciate that lisa
abel brought it up the yellow springs
development corporation
has nothing to do with this project
that being brought up is
completely misinformed and so i want to
be really clear that
bringing other groups into this is not
appropriate and
second thing i'm going to say is that
since i was specifically called out
um
i have never said that anyone is
intentionally misinforming but as an
elected official
who represents this village
when there is information that is not
correct i need to call that out and um
that i think is is
my role it's council's role and i will
continue to do that but that should not
be conflated into suggesting that i'm
accusing anyone of doing anything
purposefully
um
but we can only make good decisions if
we have accurate information
all right so here's what i'm going to do
um i am going to give matthew kirk one
more minute
exactly i'm going to give johnny dredd
one more minute and then we'll figure
out
um who else is talking at the watch
party
um and then we'll start to uh
move towards um the decision making
okay so matthew kirk got one minute
all right we got matthew
we giving him the ability to mic on
there we go matthew go
ahead yeah so i want to talk about how
going with the aria development would
actually affect uh affordability in the
village the reality is right now there's
so much scarcity in the housing market
that every house in 150 to 250 000 price
range is basically getting scooped up by
somebody who's an all-cash buyer can
come in do significant improvements to
the house either flip it or make it into
their forever home
right
by making this all single family homes
now we're giving a new
brand new product those same people that
have the funds to come into the village
so hopefully this will free up
more of those houses in the 150 to 250
000 price range for people who want to
buy them because let's be honest there's
a lot of houses in yellow springs that
sell for a lot more than they would in
other communities so if we have more of
a modern housing stock
that is going to attract people who want
nobody wants to go through like a six
month to one year renovation that's not
like an awesome thing when you're like
looking to move somewhere
you know so i think that we're
underselling how much the ra development
actually contributes to affordability
thank you
okay thanks matthew thanks matthew
all right
johnny
respectfully i appreciate you guys for
giving me the time i just want to say
that uh i'm of the opinion the red pill
the blue pill we're offered are both not
great options i do feel like we've got
enough intelligence among the council
uh that that that built this plan and
you guys said it yourself during covid
you know behind closed doors without us
knowing i think we have enough uh uh
intelligence among us and among the
villagers that if you guys just listen
to what people are saying there's a lot
of opposition but there's not opposition
against the pud it's against the way
that it's being presented i think we can
do better we all know that we can do
better there's so much intelligence in
this community we can come up with a
better plan or something that's better
for all of us and and this is gonna this
this decision that you make tonight is
gonna last long beyond your council
seats
it's going to last long beyond how long
you guys are sitting on council it's
going to last generally for my kids and
this is something that if we can
champion as a village if we can all come
together and come up with a plan that we
can that we can champion as a village we
can all benefit from this and we can
make it a the best village for everybody
and it's and it's a place that that
artists and musicians and single dads
can afford and i don't care if it takes
five years to make that plan and if
oberer has to pay property taxes on that
plot of land for five years we need a
win here we need a win for everybody we
know it's not perfect right now
we also know we can all do better and
that's what we're voting on tonight
thank you guys so much for your time i
appreciate it
okay
um um
yes ryan i i i'm assuming that you are
aware of it i'm getting some emails and
and texts from folks at the ballroom
realizing that they're having some some
trouble so you may want to just chunk
down that list in one go i i believe
those folks do still want to speak yeah
that is the plan so uh we're you're
reading my mind okay so uh let's go
ahead and have the uh mills park
ballroom
mike on
okay yeah
get back to stop really okay can you can
you hear me i can
hi brian
kendrickillini 20-year resident of
yellow springs
ecologist
scientist
this
our village ordinance demands that we
have a better pud
one of the
uh requirements of the pud and in fact
what ober applied for was that it
preserves
significant environmental resources
marianne mcqueen said herself it doesn't
preserve
um
significant resources there's nine acres
of land they're going to clear in fact
they're almost going out of their way to
destroy what's there this is mostly
agricultural land yet they're finding
nine acres to cut down
it's like the one slurs coming in to try
to take over what make the lorax mad
um there's a 300 year old tree there
that is just right in the middle of the
housing area they obviously didn't look
at the site very much
um there's obviously information about a
dump it's not including the phase one
plan and the phase one environmental
plan clearly says we don't have all the
information if we get more information
we have to go back and do this again
and that dump information was not in
there they only asked over and stewing
hey are there any environmental hazards
and they were like nope we don't think
so
but now that we know we know that there
are some we have to go back and do a
phase two we know there were ysi
chemicals in the surface water there
that's in the report low levels but they
were still there so i urge you to go
back and come up with a better plan and
in fact i argue that the village
ordinance demands us to do a better plan
than what's there particularly in
regards to them needing to meet
uh preservation of significant natural
features which they're really not doing
at all thank you all right thank you
kendra
hi uh joanna schulzherman
um building on what kendra was saying
that you keep saying that there's these
two options when
the pd as currently presented is a
direct violation of what is stated in
yellow springs code of ordinances
chapter 1254 for planned unit
development
explicit violations of preservation of
significant natural features extensive
open space and recreational amenities
connectivity of open space with new or
existing adjacent freeway or trail
corridors preservation of small town
appeal improvements to public streets or
other public facilities that mitigate
traffic and or other development impacts
rezoning the area to pud will not result
in a significant adverse effect upon
nearby nearby or adjacent village lands
and i think the most important part
is that the proposed uses and design of
the pd shall be substantially consistent
with the village's adopted comprehensive
plan and the principles for land
stewardship contained in the vision
yellow springs in miami township so i
implore the village council
to build upon the work of whoever works
on this comprehensive land use plan and
this vision for the village so that it's
not in vain do you know how much time
you've been spending on the over thing
think about
uh previous incarnations of village
council members who worked night and day
for months years citizens involved to
get these on paper so we wouldn't be in
this situation and as a taxpaying
citizen i need you to stick to this
vision that's all i gotta say
okay thank you
um do we have anyone else
from mills park
i just can't really see you guys very
clearly so
because yeah thank you for your small
piece
so i'm kelly carr
um one thing that's consistently struck
me is that we seem to be voting yes out
of fear uh council seems to be uh have a
few people that are voting yes out of
here for this pud and a fear of what
will be lost which is donated land or a
place for children to play you know both
good things but thinking that if we make
a deal with the proverbial devil that we
will win
that's a metaphor that's not a personal
insult so by accepting the pittance that
oberer is offering us we're denying
ourselves the bounty that our village
actually deserves and a large group has
gathered here today i i guess you can't
see it but it's quite a few people
and
this group doesn't feel the council is
working for us or even listening to us
so i'd like to address some accusations
of harassment that were given today your
citizens are using their protected legal
options to attempt to get their counsel
to work with them
thank you there is a growing movement
that has passion and has a vision
and you seem to refuse to acknowledge
that
no one wants this development that's the
thing no one actually wants over to
develop this land no one does
you can at least demand a strict pud
with a thousand modifications to force a
developer let's be clear just wants the
money
to work within our village vision
you can insist on actually
getting for your citizens from the
developer what they want
you're not doing that there's not just
two options you actually have an entire
plethora of options that you just really
have blinders on and can see but we can
and we want you to vote now on the
beauty that's right
okay thank you kelly
hi there my name is jill eggleton
and um i want to bring to task first
mary and mcqueen
um
it looks like
you opened your comments comparing us to
trumpers
you said that
about 30ish percent of the country voted
for trump and that's about the same
number that is opposing
the pud
so i i kind of think that's really i'm
not sure where your statistical analysis
was in that um but the true it seems
that the true trumper is over
um
so i think that that's an elephant in
the room so i think number two
um is i've never met dave chappelle i
also don't have his number
um
however
since you're here i'm going to speak to
you i'm one of those people that i saw
chappelle on tv
oh my god and he said hey i live in a
place called yellow springs and it's
actually the bernie sanders island in
the middle of the trump sea
my partner and i looked at each other
and said let's go
and i'm here
and my partner who was unable to make it
said if chappelle is is making this a
bernie sanders island that sounds pretty
cool because of the state of our country
so i'm here to say
yes uber does own the land but we can do
better
period
there are many options obviously
everyone keeps saying it so anyway i'm
here to support the wonderful diverse
cultural
inclusive loving place that i've only
known for a few months
but i know about it because in days
that's dope
and i also don't know
why
i've never met bob baldwin either but
apparently he owns a lot of land
and a lot of babies
in the town
so like what's the deal with that why
hasn't he being called out so
oh no
counselors can you hear me
yes
um i want to address marianne mcqueen
first your characterization of us as
confused using trump tactics for saying
your engaged citizens are harassing you
as our elected officials as offensive
and the opposite of transparency
[Music]
second truth i want to tell there is not
a single affordable element in this aria
development or the pud according to our
own standards
josue himself admitted this
during meetings
it is disingenuous and insulting to
those of us who actually need affordable
housing
to call it affordable housing
while we're watching you do the opposite
this does not meet our needs in our
housing needs assessment what we need is
rental properties and entry-level
housing
it says it in the study that you keep
referencing but i don't think you read
the whole thing
you mentioned this is being segregated
we don't want this to be segregated the
pud is segregated by income you can see
it just look at them
number three
this does not meet our code or a
comprehensive land use plan that you
keep referencing that's in place to
protect us from people like oberer
please we are asking you
we are empowering you we are
begging you to use our own document to
protect us from predatory development
[Applause]
okay so uh
here's the deal
no i'm still talking about it okay but
we're not gonna have uh we're not gonna
have the applause or we're gonna have to
cut this off so
speak
let the next person speak but you can't
keep on having it
number four
it's better than nothing is not an
acceptable standard for our village
this is our lives it's our businesses
it's our history it's our future
it's our lives it's our history it's our
investment it's our future
it's not not as bad as it could be isn't
a good enough standard
number five this doesn't meet our needs
we address that
number six there's good development and
there's predatory development we're not
against all development we're against
fists though
two minutes and i need your name please
it's lindsey burke
okay so once again
okay so i
think that uh
gotta work out um just like we would not
be having an applause if we were in
person
we would not have people
shouting in the audience um we're gonna
have decorum in this setting as well
so
i'll come back if there's some other
speakers but
you know if we can't have that decorum
then um
we're gonna have to wrap that part up
all right don johnson is next
go for it i'll be out of here have a
good one
don i can hear me hi
i'm dawn johnson i'm a
25 year resident at least
i'm a city planner
and um i just want to let some folks
know
that
i hear you i understand you feel like
you weren't part of the process
many of us have been part of the process
for the visioning of the of the
comprehensive plan many of us were
sitting you know in the um
in the stakeholders meetings when we put
together the zoning codes um
so i understand what you're saying you
don't feel like you were part of this
process for this private residential
development when i say private it's
private property it's not public
property it's not like it's not like the
uh
for instance the cbe when it got handed
off to the village that was a little
different story that was
that became public land so we had a
different discussion with that but this
is private property so it goes through a
different process it still gets
the process of going through reviews
under pud
however what i need you to understand
this is important please listen to me
ballroom people because if it goes
straight subdivision
you have no say at all zero subdivision
review is an administrative process
completely it just goes through the
review process it gets stamped as long
as it checks all the boxes and then you
get whatever residence a they want to
develop so
understand that at least with the pud we
get some
some of what we've asked for in the
comprehensive plan it doesn't it doesn't
give us everything because it's not our
plan it's not our development we don't
own that land and i know that's really
hard for you to get your hands around
because
we've all played on that land my boys
played captured the flag on that on that
lot for you know for 10 years um and i
understand what max is saying i mean he
was on the other side of the creek
thank you judy i appreciate it but
please understand
we get a lot more with pud thank you
thanks don
okay so judy are there still people that
want to speak at the in the ballroom
there are and i have a promise that they
will not clap so yes okay and also
no shouting cheering um
again you know this
this isn't a watch party this is a
formal
council meeting
okay
are they able to mic on
hi this is brittany baum i am here today
to urge you to vote no on the pud
i still have a hard time figuring out
how this even meets the minimum
requirements for the pud i think the pud
should be truly exceptional if we're
choosing to bend the rules to meet these
requirements and i think this is
anything but we wouldn't all be here if
this was exceptional
i think this definitely sets a precedent
and we shouldn't be making decisions
based off of the least bad of two
choices
we should not be making strategic
decisions that will have long-term
consequences using this rationale
we developed a comprehensive plan to you
be used as a guide to help make
important decisions like these easier
we need to update our antiquated zoning
codes to reflect our current vision and
our comprehensive plan
sustainability is mentioned time and
time again referring to the ability to
support the needs of the present without
compromising future generations in the
areas of economic environmental and
human sustainability in the
comprehensive plan i argue that this
proposed pud does not meet any of our
strategic goals outlined in the comp
plan without mitigating the risk of
potential long-term harmful effects i
understand we are in a very challenging
time in this community and there is
certainly a housing shortage and
approving the pud might seem like it's
helping some of these problems in the
short term but i would argue that we'd
be doing larger damage in the long term
just like johnny dredd when i moved here
i went here six years ago and i could
have moved anywhere i moved three times
in three different states in a matter of
a year what brought me to yellow springs
was the magic and the culture of this
town i fell in love with this community
and i jumped in wholeheartedly i started
porch fest i'm a chamber member i'm
trying to save the chamber i open a
business in town i employ people here in
town
and what i have to say is if we become
more and more like the neighboring
communities what's going to keep me here
i voted for the levy i don't have kids
you know i care about this place what's
going to bring other people like me to
talent if we just become more and more
like fairborn and beaver creek
please do not approve this pud we can do
so much better together we just have to
work together and if we all knew about
this two years ago i feel like we'd have
a much better plan in place
one reason why this pud should be turned
down is the significant loss of tax
revenue to the village of approving it
not counting any real property taxes or
utility fees related to the affordable
units
over the next 10 years alone the tax
loss will be 213
630. that is extremely conservative and
it's based on the 40 million dollar
valuation that i saw in brian housha's
memo which i think is is what is way
below what the actual
value of
all single family development would be
i think the tax loss way outweighs what
the village is getting
it is not worth the 1.7 acres it's
a minuscule amount for what's happening
on that land
the schools will lose about half the
taxes
the village would be better off
rejecting this pud
single family residences
by eight eight eight out of ten people
under the age of 55
want single family residences those are
families for the schools the the mix of
housing do not mistake diversity of
housing choices for diversity of people
i think we will get many more diverse
people with single families coming in
and bringing their kids and hopefully a
very diverse group of them the
development will not mitigate
gentrification
the price points are simply too high
at 250 000 which is probably the low end
a 20
down mortgage
is a mortgage payment a down payment of
50 000
i mean that these are not starter homes
so what very little we're getting for
afford like some land for affordable
housing i think what the village should
do
is take that money put it in the bank go
buy some infill land somewhere else and
build and do a pocket neighborhood or
affordable
but don't lose that tax revenue for
forever
and that's what you're doing by by doing
this pud thank you very much
i appreciate your time and all the
effort
and i do ask you to reject this pewdie
thank you very much
thanks laura
hello my name is justin herman
i am a lifetime greene county resident
i left
after the first 26 years of living here
in beaver creek i should say
for one crucial shortage and that was
culture
i don't know about environmental stuff i
don't know about
you know the inner workings of something
like this but i do know that
oftentimes it comes down to just hard
hard lines like you know whether it's
law
whether it's
um
you know
financial
but that's not how all things work and
culture is one of those things
there is no
hard line that you can do sometimes you
can't just be afraid and abide by what
that line is you have to make
the right choice for what's right
and i can tell you right now that we are
on the precipice and yellow springs
of having cultural value you cannot
imagine i do not know how many of you
have been outside of yellow springs in
the last few years
to see
but i just moved back
from oakland california
which was once
just like what you know a beautiful
vision of what like this is but it
became gentrified and it became
overdeveloped and now it is not that way
and we're at the press of this right now
you you
i know you can't see it because you
haven't been outside but i'm telling you
while covered rage while fires burn
i watched my friends
come here from oakland
to be a part of this culture and come
back with stars in their eyes
i saw
people you know i'm lucky enough to i've
known some of the people that dave knows
i don't know dave
but
they come back
like oh my god why did you leave
but you are
the members of the council
are on the precipice throwing away
a once in a lifetime cultural
moment that could last this town
in this village forever
that's two minutes over
assuming
um i heard that there are two more
speakers um and then we're gonna wrap up
citizen comment so who is next
[Music]
we have more than two speakers um hello
my name is rob i'm a resident of yale
straits
um i would like to acknowledge mr oberer
and his firm for all their success
so much success that they no longer need
to innovate to keep making money
i would like to acknowledge over for
having a golden opportunity to develop a
neighborhood
they can showcase as a model development
for other communities
yet they choose not to do so
i would like to acknowledge oberor for
all of its due diligence be illegal
environmental geological traffic etc
yet are in a position of such fortune
and privilege they can disregard the
community input part of this development
congratulations to you sir
okay
who is our next
commenter
the next victim
nancy kelly just lived here in town for
two years but 35 years get up closely or
get close on things and get taller
so
thanks
i just thought um i put a letter in the
newspaper uh this week which sort of
expressed my thoughts was
why not just leave it independent
housing and move on from there to what
might be real affordable housing
um and i just thought i'd bring a
picture of what affordable housing looks
like
can you see this
here i'll hold it up
that's a house that i that i think could
be framed in for oh thirty thousand
dollars about
it is what's referred to of course as a
tiny house
and if it was produced at thirty
thousand whether the village created
these houses for the for the rustic and
characteristic books they'd like to have
or whether somebody independently does
the inside could be finished by someone
30 000 is like buying a car
and if the village has land available
whether it's this pod if you do that or
other land which would be suitable or if
villagers would want to have a
tiny home on their property we could
quadruple our population i'm grateful
for laura putting in
facts and figures on what the tax
structure is because i think that's a
very big concern
but
i would be happy to be part of a team
to start putting together the affordable
housing
program that would bring these units
into the village and with the village
creating the
um legalese to put these in the
community it would probably be
international news because there's a
desperate need across this country for
meeting the problems that we're facing
right here in rural ohio
and i think that we can do ourselves a
lot of good by doing it right
um and making it available and making
this available for people for their
first home and to start a line of equity
and build to a point where they can and
that's two minutes if they want
but
okay i'm gonna
pause here because we've been at citizen
comment for uh over an hour um
i also feel like we're getting a little
bit off track on the pud and and we all
agree affordability is important so i
just want to check in with other council
members to see
um because judy told me there are seven
more speakers now um
so
lisa carmen marianne give me an idea of
what you want to do
i see that sarah has her hand up three
more speakers
okay is that right let's do it
yeah that works for me i mean honestly i
you know i i don't want to stop it i
just want to make sure that uh council
is getting what they need
okay
you're on
yes my name is sarah sinclair mens i
have a master's in public administration
and eight years of experience on a
planning zoning commission outside of
the village hill springs where i attend
multiple
regional planning and zoning trainings
we can do a better job with this pud
we do modifications tonight that are
backed by our comprehensive plan
we can require an environmental phase to
environmental study that actually offers
evidence and assures us
that we're safe and the people moving
into that development are safe instead
of trying to offer correlates
there's evidence we can get it tonight
and we can do a better job with our
local government with the transparency
of this process with listening and
implementing suggestions from your
constituents who put you in that office
and lastly we can do a better job
supporting our local businesses and our
local business owners we can respect
what they've given us we can trust them
with the future that we've put into that
comprehensive plan the community made
this comprehensive plan our local
business owners are trying to give us
what we asked for
it's not what o'bear is giving us and
it's not what you're letting happen
thank you
okay thanks sarah
hey catherine price i'm a resident of
yellow springs for 26 years
there's a lot of talking in the
background so we can't hear kathy
catherine price a resident of yellow
springs for 26 years
uh this pud i've written i've spoken a
lot about it already uh and i know you
didn't want repeats
um and you didn't want modifications to
be brought up because that supposedly
wasn't a choice where
the last meeting it was a choice
um i i believe that things do change a
lot so um i'd like to talk about the
modifications it's segregated
socioeconomically i do not like the look
of that and george ogre you were quoted
in a business journal
article from last
i didn't know if it was last august i
don't have it in front of me
but
you said you understood the sensibility
of yellow springs and we're going to try
to emulate that
and
the plan that you've developed does not
emulate that
i can't understand how you can say that
and then and in the same article it was
mentioned
the bowen study which
said we needed houses that started at
the price point of 150.
and
i just don't understand how that
information
was in this interview with you i really
it's
people in the business world
actually believe that i guess it's in
print um it's not happening here
the the three bedroom condos in your
brochure were listed at 389 starting at
389
and you didn't put the two-bedroom condo
price
but the three-bedroom homes it would be
residence a
start at 3 30
according to your brochure so there's a
lot of numbers that are off and then
later in the council video you floated
numbers it's all verbal so it's like
well oh we could do 250 or maybe 150 and
you know no wonder we're confused and we
need time to have more information we
need to have interaction directly with
you george over because
if you had a relationship all of us here
and had coffee with us you might feel
differently
and we might make some sense out of this
and what i believe is that a referendum
would really show the will of the people
i mean it's terrible to put this on your
shoulders council members because it's a
lot of weighty decision
on this plan and you should have asked
for referendum counties do this they
asked in the from the get-go oh we don't
want to decide this as as council
members let's let's have a referendum
and that kind of singles that matters
thank you
can you hear me
yes
hi i'm dave spell
i just want to say
and marianne i can talk to you about
this privately um
i don't know why the village council
will be afraid of litigation from a 24
million a year company while it it's out
the 65 million a year company
i cannot believe you would make me
audition
for you you look like clowns
i am not bluffing
i will take it all off the table
that's all thank you
okay
all right
so
um i'm gonna formally open the public
hearing
and um i want to do a little bit of fact
checking um
and then we're gonna have uh
denise free and a few other people uh uh
present and then council is going to
make a decision
um
so uh laura curless uh
did a commentary on the memo that i put
into the packet and she referred to that
earlier
um
she very factually has stated that the
village is going to lose 213 000 in tax
revenue and i want to comment on that
because
uh first of all uh and it was really odd
to me
that that was the one modification of my
table that laura made where she removed
the reference to the fact that the
valuation did not include the
24 plus affordable units
um and then there was a variety of back
and forth today but i do want to
highlight that
not only is tax revenue not a criteria
for making our decision about the pud
but also
um
no one has a crystal ball about what's
going to happen with property values
which by the way are a small part of the
village's revenue
one of the things that we have to keep
in mind is that um when we have a
diversity of homes especially affordable
homes that means people who want to live
and work here can do so um uh when we
talk about things like going straight
single family homes and uh
someone referred to it as kind of the
stepford uh development
then i mean that likely means that we're
talking about a lot of people that will
not be working in town and will not be
supporting
all the services directly through their
income tax so
i think that
for
laura to speak so confidently about the
tax revenues she doesn't know no one
knows all right we've got some estimates
honestly it's probably going to come out
to be the same
um i also want to point out it wasn't
raised but in her memo
laura points out that um
she thinks that there's a four to one
uh
against the pud because of the number of
people that have spoken at our meetings
or written letters she knows well and i
know all other council members know
that um the folks that come to council
meetings the people that write um are
not necessarily representing the
majority and we've said before it's not
about quantity
in terms of how many people speak it's
about quality but i think today we did
see a balance of a variety of comments
um the last thing
uh
is this reference to the idea that we
can deny the pud and then we can change
the zoning in the interim
and get a better property i think
as a lawyer
uh hopefully there's an understanding
that that is not something that is
viable and would certainly open up the
village to
uh exposure so i i do not see that as a
viable option i can't imagine that that
is something that we would do
so with that um i'd like denise swinger
to talk a little bit about
what the planning commission looked at
with the
factors of what the pud brings
because there's been a focus on
three factors
they are not necessarily the three
factors that
the uh planning commission decided on
for those that read the minutes and
watch the meeting
what was concluded is that at least
three factors uh were met
denise talks about five and denise if
you'd like to just kind of briefly
highlight that and then we're going to
talk a little bit about some of the
other legal
uh issues
uh brian i don't actually have that
document in front of me right now but
the factors they had to meet at least
three benefits out of eight
as i recall um
one of those was a mix of housing types
which this has um one was connectivity
within the development and to other
surrounding properties
and let's see they also had
one
about the open space they they more than
met the open space requirement which was
only 15
of open space um and they were at a
little bit less than
23 percent
i think um
reiterating actually what don johnson
said
you know
we have these choices i i feel we have
three choices
we have
the pud
we have residential a
or
we as a community
makes an offer to ober
to buy buy it from them you know what
what that price would be i don't know
but i mean that's the only other option
i see are those three and i don't know
that the community has
approached over i have anybody within
the community has approached over
to
buy it from them
i have i don't have any information on
that um so we as staff only can deal
with the code that we would that we have
and we um
when we first met with ober what ober
proposed was
following the miami townships code for
the 30 acres that are in the township
they were going to do
large lots 10 000 square foot or more
and larger homes and then on the portion
that was in the village they were going
to do single family homes and they were
going to follow our our 7 500 square
foot requirement
and that was going to be it i mean they
really approached us with single family
a major subdivision
and and we as staff said what about the
pud because with the pud there's more
flexibility we could get some of some of
the other things that the community
values that is the affordable housing
component however that was going to turn
out we never promoted it as an
affordable housing project we knew it
wasn't going to be that
the connectivity
the constructed wetlands for the low
impact development
um the in the variety of housing types
so i mean that was what we had
through the pud that we could work with
and that's pretty much it
all right thanks denise
um
so i i wanted brianne to respond to uh
there was some other some other
documents that we got um that were a
little bit confusing
um but i think it relates to this idea
of making a decision out of fear and i
can definitely confirm that um
i'm not there at all uh i am focused on
our decision criteria which is around
the pud
and um
you know i think one of the things that
can often be intimidating is when
legal action is threatened especially
for folks that don't have a legal
background um
it can be intimidating
and um we received a memo
it was actually dated february 1st 2020
but i assume that it wasn't done two
years ago from um i assumed it was a law
firm but i've been told that maybe it's
a group of consultants
about uh and from california
uh analyzing um our code and uh
throwing around the use of spot zoning
and also talking about
this idea of placing the homes away from
the core
of yellow springs
now i can accept that a california firm
or consultancy would not understand the
scale of yellow springs and so you know
this idea of there being a really strong
argument around the placement of homes a
couple hundred yards further away from
downtown
um
i don't see how there could really be a
a strong legal argument there and so i
was
kind of surprised that a dayton lawyer
um would support that argument as well
um but i guess i wanted
brienne to clarify this spot zoning
thing because um
it seems like a pretty uh strong
accusation
to be making in relation to the pud that
we're talking about tonight so brienne
if you can just kind of speak to
some of the
the legal
actions that have been brought up
sure brian
so for everyone who's got a law degree
or doesn't
and i'm including the california
consultant in that
i am sure that california consultant is
not familiar with the case of voice
versus village of ottawa hills which
basically says the property owner has an
expectation interest
in the current zoning
so
um this idea that
as brian said is floating around out
there that council can deny the pud
and then somehow get zoning changed from
ra without the consent of the property
owner
is not going to move forward the ohio
supreme court has ruled and put that to
bed in voice versus village of ottawa
hills that was back in 2014
now as to the issue of spot zoning our
code is
succinct on the issue of spot zoning
it basically says it's singling out a
small
area or a lot for discriminatory or
different treatment from that according
surrounding land which is similar in
character
well this is not a lot this is not a
small area
but more importantly this is a
residential pud that's proposed
so it is not being recorded different
treatment because a pud application must
be submitted by the property owner it is
not something the village can force on a
developer the developer has negotiated
with us on this put
again
denise just
advised the village in fact proposed the
putt
because oberer was perfectly fine with
proposing an ra development per our code
every parcel that was annexed came in ra
that's been the code since 2013. so in
terms of what the council and the
planning commission had to consider
under the pug code under 125406 you've
got multiple factors to consider and it
says the reviewing body shall consider
all these things that applies equally to
council and the planning commission when
they're reviewing those
so
in terms of this
not available or achievable under
conventional zoning
that's up to council to decide in terms
of
spot zoning a pud is
not spot zoning again it's not a single
lot it's not a small area under our
definition of spot zoning a planned unit
development is not it
okay
thank you brianne um i also heard that
um
uh
our uh
chair of the planning commission asked
us to clarify an accusation about a
conflict of interest
sure
early in this process i identified
several planning commission and council
members who based on things they had
said communications
may have a conflict of interest
and
some of these were on the appearance of
impropriety alone as most people know
our chairman
of the planning and zoning commission
owns property across spillan from the
development we sought guidance from the
ohio ethics commission and initially i
had advised him based on appearance of
impropriety alone that he should
probably recuse because
back in the 60s when his property was an
extent to the village for some reason
the half of the road right-of-way
furniture was not
at least not on the green county maps so
that was an oversight from the way the
annexation procedures were done way back
when
in terms of
his name on the annexation petition
he didn't really have a choice
and then
advised that well that property is
actually encumbered with a deed
restriction
so ober's development in reviewing the
specific language of that deed
restriction
has almost negligible
if any
impact on that property value because of
that deed restriction language it cannot
be developed
ergo
i said
mr dodin you've got
what appears to be on his face to
conflict
but in actuality
is none
and
other people
also had questions so we submitted it to
the ohio ethics commission the ethics
commission
ruled on four individuals
some of whom did not disclose what was
being said
during the interim
and
we got the ethics commission opinion
back july 23rd i communicated that to
all council members all planning
commission members
and
from that point forward
once i give
a legal opinion or the ethics commission
gives an opinion
it's up to the planning commission
member or the council member to decide
whether or not they do agree with it and
should recuse
or whether they're going to carry
forward
in this case
mr dodin acknowledged that his
obligation in a quasi-judicial capacity
would have restricted his voting again
kind of his counsel is somewhat
obligated to based on the language of
the code
to considering those criteria in 125406
other individuals on planning commission
advised that they could not that they
preferred to advocate
uh that they had personal opinions about
the project
therefore i advise them they should
not participate in the proceedings
whatsoever
ohio ethics law is pretty clear
when you have a conflict of interest
the guidance is to recuse completely
however the ethics commission opinion
also said look you're free to
participate as private citizen when
matters impact your personal property
and to date
that is what has happened to the extent
that others have
engaged in
discussion deliberation
they've not engaged in voting they have
for the most part made very clear that
they have recused from their public
roles
okay
thank you brienne
um
all right i think before we close the
public hearing um my understanding is
that um
either george oberer or greg smith um
wanted to uh announce something
related to
the project
am i on now brian you are george
thank you um
and since i know greg can hear this and
uh
our counsel mike mcnamee is on
the call also so
i want to make a couple of comments and
then
allow them to um to add to those if
that's okay
yep
first just a a little history and i i
don't really want to
turn this into a debate but
i guess i wanted the audience to know
that that i actually went
along with my brother to see mr
chappelle
a year ago last september
and met with he and max crome and showed
him our plans he showed him at the time
it was a single family plan it was an ra
plan
but
did so more as a good neighbor than
anything else um
didn't know what might develop of it i
was
acquainted to to mr chappelle from a
mutual friend
and uh
understood that he spoke to the previous
owner about possibly purchasing part of
the property but
and i don't want to put words into mr
chappelle's mouth but possibly he didn't
want to purchase all the property
only some of the property and and
that made the property less marketable
for the previous owner and i think the
previous owner made a good decision
because i would not have been interested
in the property had
10 acres for an example been sold out of
the middle of it
but
i was not
made an offer to purchase the property
at the time
i didn't say i would or wouldn't sell it
but we were never really approached
about that
secondly i wanted to say that the real
estate taxes
in an r.a zoning
or a pud
should be
almost neutral
we can achieve the same density
on the current in existing ra zoning as
we are proposing in the pud
the property values
will vary in those but but
not materially i mean yeah you're going
to have more affordable houses in the
pud
so the total revenues might be slightly
less than they would
you know in a single family
uh
totally single-family development but
but they're not going to be materially
different
and secondly i wanted or third i wanted
to make the point that
if
real estate taxes and revenues were such
an issue
between the pud and the ra zoning why
why were they not an issue
when we discussed annexation
of the 30-plus acres that came from
miami township
into into the village
i i guess i would just like to remind
some of the council members that
that certainly wasn't an issue when we
discussed annexation
um
lastly uh well not lastly but next is is
the dump
is hearsay
and
nobody has offered any real evidence to
support this only other than a couple of
people claiming to have seen a barrel or
two
we've not seen any photographs
we've engaged a third party
and reputable environmental
investigative service
to to conduct a
phase one uh environmental study
now keep hearing references to a phase
two when there really isn't any such
thing as a phase two a phase one is
conducted to see if there's any evidence
of any
concern over contamination or pollution
or any
uh
foreign substances that should be
investigated further this report turned
up zero evidence that suggested that
there should be further investigation
and let me be clear that we provided
that to the village
on our own we weren't there was not a
requirement that was not there there's
no ordinance or regulation that requires
that we provide that but we do that
frankly for our own protection
because
we don't want to purchase land and buy
uh or develop land
that has an environmental problem i mean
i don't
i can't run a business and and and do
that
after that we can we hired a
geo-technical uh engineer that did a
subsurface investigation did soil
borings
that were
deep soil borings 20 foot
in some cases
and they were 20 foot where they could
be they they were stopped short of that
where they had bedrock
but
the uh
the the soil borings were done randomly
over the whole
52-acre site
and then the soils were analyzed for
both their compatibility for development
but also
for contaminants
and none were found
so
i guess i want to
and i guess i also want to say as far as
the
hazard or soils issues or or contaminate
contamination issues
you know that's really a risk that i as
a developer take on
as we develop this site and we if we
encounter a contaminant
we're going to have to
notify epa and deal with it in the
prescribed manner
to decontaminate the site so i don't you
know i'm i'm saying that i've i know of
no evidence of contamination but if we
found contamination the village would be
better off because it would be our
responsibility to clean it up
lastly i want to mention that
your zoning or comprehensive plans do
not require any affordable housing
we typically go into a community
that has such a good school system and
and uh
a desires community like the village of
yellow springs we try to bring products
that we already build in other locations
i can't
redesign or build make new designs for
every single community
that we've developed
it just doesn't make sense for us so so
we do try to bring
products that are affordable affordable
is
i suppose a a broad term but
but in various different price ranges to
make them as affordable as we can
but also as desirable as we can i mean
we know from our marketing research we
know from building in other communities
what sells and what's affordable
to some of the population and what's not
in this case
the only reason that there's an
affordable piece of
this property being proposed is because
of negotiations with the village
certain council members in including uh
brian and
and uh and marianne and in josue and his
entire staff
that
communicated with us about some of the
needs that the village has
and we tried to meet some of those needs
by
donating
a site
by bringing a park to the community by
um
and even most recently
uh helping solve well from an
engineering standpoint we haven't done
it from a construction standpoint but
we'll help the village solve a
stormwater issue that exists to the
north of the site our site
so
i think lastly we can't solve all the
infrastructure problems that are not
connected
to our site
we we understand that there's perhaps a
safety issue on spilan road particularly
north of our site
but i did
tell josue this week
that this past week i'm sorry that that
we would contribute fifty thousand
dollars towards a community safety fund
so that the village could use maybe as
uh
grant leverage or matching funds for an
example
to make improvements to a piece of
property that doesn't even touch ours
right now we're already improving spa
land on our side of the road
but i'm talking about north north of our
property
so
thank you
brian for for allowing me to make those
comments and if you don't mind i'll ask
greg and
and mike if they have anything to add to
that
okay thank you
i don't think you hear me
yes
excellent hey i just want to thank
george for his comments thank everybody
who spoke this evening it's uh
been very um
nice to work at community so many people
are involved
um there any questions anybody
specifically has
mike and i are happy to answer them
otherwise i think we'll just
go from there but i think i'd like to
make ourselves available to especially
the council members particularly to
answer direct questions
okay thanks greg
um okay so i'm going to
close the public hearing and um then i
be believe brienne you have a next step
for us to go through
yes that's correct
so i need every council member that's
voting with the understanding that mr
stokes is uh
recused
to affirm that they have reviewed the
record in its entirety
this is an action for a preliminary plan
for planned unit development
so planning commission has made a
recommendation based on its meeting of
november 9th you have the minutes from
that meeting
the processes such the reviewing body
whether it's the planning commission or
council has two criteria
to consider under 1254.06
so
i will start with council president
housh
have you
reviewed the record in its entirety
including the minutes from the planning
commission
the prior council meetings and all
citizen comments to date
uh yes i have
okay
councilmember mcqueen same question i
need you to a firmer attest that you
have reviewed the record in its entirety
including the planning commission
meeting minutes uh the application
uh the prayer council meetings and all
the citizen comments to date
yes three times in terms of the planning
commission november 9th
okay
same question of council member krieger
have you can you affirm or attest that
you have reviewed the record in its
entirety including the november 9th
planning commission meeting
minutes and
the
subsequent council meetings and the
citizen comments to date
yes i was present at the meeting and
have reviewed thank you
okay
and council member lee uh same question
can you affirm or attest that you have
reviewed the record in its entirety
including the november 9th planning
commission meeting minutes its
recommendation
the
subsequent council meetings and all the
citizen comments to date
yes
okay
so everyone has affirmed under
125405 c5 as required you had to review
the record of the planning commission
proceedings the standards under
1254.06 which we've touched on briefly
and you've got the recommendation of the
planning commission
so your act
would be to approve
deny or approve with modifications
the preliminary development plan and the
rezoning request so
i'm not going to get into modifications
at this juncture i will
prefer the council president lead that
discussion
but my question to you then would be
would you accept
um and and brian would call for the vote
but this is for discussion amongst
yourselves would you accept the findings
of the planning commission
in their entirety because if you do not
then you have to go back through all of
those findings
separately
okay so i think at this point i will
make a motion to approve the findings of
the planning commission
is there a second
i second it
okay
um any discussion
okay if not then uh judy could you call
the role please
yes mcqueen
brown
yes
krieger
yeah
house
yes
okay so i believe the next um part of
this process is to discuss uh any
modifications
or
any other issues before we take a vote
on
the pud
okay
so
i would like to discuss modifications
okay lisa
so you know i want you to know that i
hear the concerns of our community
voices
and i've intently considered the many
communications with a particular focus
on the environmental impact
the safety traffic impacts and most
recently
on a deep understanding of the financial
impact on the community
so yes affordable housing is important
as is overall in
economic growth to our community and i
ran on both of those platforms you know
both are important and i am considering
the economic integrity of our village
today into the and into the future i
appreciated mr dredd's comments that
these decisions will last long beyond my
time on council
i appreciate that there's some
allocation for affordable housing town
homes and duplexes yes and as i've heard
tonight the pud takes us in this
direction
however what we need
in affordable housing is apartments
and we can as a community get to those
goals
not on this property and the pud is not
sufficient to really hit those goals
and we've we've understood why because
of the cost and that sort of thing
so while i accept the findings of
planning commissions
i i don't agree that this pud fulfills
three elements of the requirements that
are important to me or perhaps i just
don't have sufficient information
and these are that it should be
consistent with a village vision
that it should integrate a complimentary
list of land types and that natural
features are preserved so tonight
i would ask that council table this vote
table
this vote
to explore three conditions
one
we do need housing stock yes
as a condition we should see an updated
site plan
that includes options of smaller homes
in the design mix these smaller houses
will meet the needs of our housing
analysis and add more affordable options
this is all about adding additional
levels of better priced housing
two
go back and look again at the
environmental analysis it might not be
what is called a phase two and i
understand that invoking a phase two
analysis is like a whole nother level of
hell
but there does seem to be additional
information that may have been
overlooked
and then third looking internally
to the village team
i want to thank the village team for
their work to date
and i still want to see
a better validated and
communicated cost-benefit analysis
of the pud versus no pud to the village
i agree this isn't a criteria for a pud
however looking inside to our team
it never hurts to have more scrutiny and
a more comprehensive understanding to
ensure that we have the best and most
accurate models josue has terrific
expertise so does our finance director
matt dillon and we may even have some
financial acumen to create a community
review
so again i thank the village team for
all their work
and i'm asking for more i call for a
rigorous and publicly visible analysis
of the cost and benefit to the village
as we go forward and if tabling isn't an
option
then i'm also ready to vote
thank you okay thanks lisa carmen did
you
have a comment
um
you know i think that
we need to move forward with a vote
um at this point it
is
uh important for
the village and for oberer
to
um move forward that's it
okay thanks carmen uh marianne did you
have anything you wanted to
say at this point
no
okay
um yeah i'm i guess i'm just gonna
reiterate that uh
i don't believe that
any level of
financial modeling is going to resolve
this issue of
what we're going to get in terms of
property and income tax um
and anybody that thinks they have that
crystal ball i i just don't believe it
and i've talked to a lot of people about
this
um
mostly i'm focused on the fact that um
we have two options
and
if we
decide not to go with the pud i think we
lose a lot i don't want to see
um 143 single-family homes only
and um i think denise did a very good
job of explaining not just meeting three
of the factors but meeting five of those
factors um
yes i agree that you know there's not
really a stream there but there are
other aspects of the forest and whatnot
what didn't come up in the videos and
other things was the fact that we have
23.4
open space
as opposed to you know the the minimum
15
um
but i do agree i think that a lot of
work's been done a lot a lot of analysis
has been done and so um
i also would like to see us
take a vote um
with that said
lisa i don't know if you want to make a
motion for a modification or
uh sure um i i make a motion for two
modifications
an updated site plan that includes
options of smaller houses in the design
mix
and
revisiting of the environmental analysis
okay
is there a second
okay i'm not hearing or seeing a second
um so i think the next step then is to
uh take our vote on uh the pud
and um
this will also be an opportunity for
each council member to articulate why
they're voting um and uh
judy i'll turn it to you to call the
role
all right
brown
yep
okay and did you want to say anything
about why it's a yes vote carmen or
oh yeah no i no
okay okay
krieger
no for the reasons
thank you mcqueen
i'm i'm voting yes and um
truly sorry that um
this has been um well what i i think of
as a huge misunderstanding by a lot of
in the community about what's possible
and what isn't possible on the other
hand i am very heartened to know
how much passion there is about the
community and about housing and i really
look forward to looking
to working with all of the people who
have this passion
on another project that we can actually
plan together
that
either on the glass farm property that
the village owns or coming together and
purchasing a property that can meet some
more of the community needs that we have
having been in the community for 50
years
i've had a chance to
i know that life doesn't follow in a
straight line and there are all sorts of
things that can happen
and while this isn't necessarily
what i would design as a a project
i actually have a fair amount of hope
and can
see some positive outcomes
thank you
so i want to preface my vote by saying
that um
although some may feel that i haven't
listened um that is the one reason that
i believe i continue to be on council
is that i listen to all voices
i do my best to balance all interest in
the community
i think a lot about um
what is factual
what is opinion
um uh what motivations are and then try
to come up with the best decision
possible
i understand um that
you know like many have said that if i
own the property and and i had the
ability to design it that um i would do
differently like many would
um but i also understand that under our
existing zoning um
we have to make decisions in that regard
and
um i guess the last thing i want to say
with my vote is that i am committed to
um doing a deep dive on our zoning and
also looking at the opportunities for
affordable rentals and everything else
with some of the property that um
there's actually a piece of property
that's coming back to the village that
is going to be ideal
and so there are a lot of different just
different things that i'm thinking about
and this discussion has really brought
all that together
and i hope that
um
it doesn't have to remain divisive um
we've dealt with a lot of things in the
past that uh with levy and everything
that um i hope we can get beyond and
truly work together um
to
benefit everyone in the village and so
with that i am going to vote yes for the
pud
pardon
yes can you hear me yes
so it's no
i'm gonna post the pud and i
just wanted to make sure that we were
um
voting on that so the answer is no on
the pud
okay and did you want to explain your
did you want to explain your vote carmen
um well because it's
like as far as my constituents are
concerned
um
with the issue of affordable housing
it's not
and i understand that ober is not here
in town to
um
provide us with affordable housing
and
there are some issues that i have with
the comprehensive land use agreement
that don't jive with it
um
and
that
you know the workers in this village
people who want to live here
this is not affordable for them
okay
all right
judy or brienne do you need anything
else before we move on to the next uh
legislation i do not but i'll just
clarify since it might not be apparent
to some folks if that means that the uh
vote fails
okay
all right so next up we've got ordnance
202203
and judy we can read that in by title
only
oh there's more legislation sorry
see
repealing old chapter 288 arts and
culture commission of title viii boards
and commissions of part two
administration code of the codified
ordinances of the village of yellow
springs ohio and enacting new chapter
288 public arts and culture commission
all right can i get a motion
i move
second
okay um i don't think there's much
discussion here we're changing the name
um
to uh add public uh for clarity
so uh does anyone have any questions or
comments
oh i'm sorry
uh open the public hearing um any
questions or comments before we
uh close the public hearing
all right i'm going to close the public
hearing then and judy if you can call
the role please
yes krieger
yes thanks council
stokes
yes
thank you
mcqueen
yes
thank you okay uh next up we've got the
first reading of ordinance 2022.04
and judy we can do that by title only as
well
okay this is the 2022 first quarter
supplemental appropriations and
declaring an emergency village of yellow
springs ohio so this is a one read
emergency ordinance
okay
um can i get a motion
second
all right
um so let's go ahead and open the public
hearing and um
is matt dillon talking about this
correct brian
all right yeah so uh with the
supplemental we have a request for an
additional 724 thousand dollars
uh 320 the 348 000 is related to the
general fund and i'll go ahead and break
this down as follows
238 000 are related to
supplemental needs within lawson place
apartments
50 000
related to
transfers out to capital to satisfy our
budgeted needs
and forty thousand dollars related to a
this is a net neutral uh shift in the
salary allocations to
uh
um to the general fund uh mostly in a
reduction from from the electric fund
and in addition we have two uh
unforeseen needs
related to
one is twelve thousand dollars
uh twelve thousand five hundred related
to the revcord system upgrade uh this is
for the dispatch systems
and is a communication system that that
is vital to the dispatch system
and uh seven thousand dollars related to
a asset value valuation
um for invoice o to c biz
that is the the general fund that makes
up 348 000
uh with the enterprises we're asking for
a supplemental budget of
375 000. 98 dollars net need to the
electric fund 150 of 150 000
of this need is related to the power
cost for our aep solar farm
or solar field um that's owed to aep
uh fifteen thousand dollars
is related to a new transformer we have
received a reimbursement for that that
cost but uh would need to appropriate
that through the expense budget
and uh
this is all netted out with shifts away
from the electric fund
due to personnel needs in other areas
in addition to the electric fund needs
we also have a 213 thousand dollar need
related to the water fund this is for an
additional payment for
the ohio public works in our ohio ohio
water development association loan
these are really just more of an
accounting treatment to catch up to the
invoice dates as opposed to the payment
dates due
and
previously we've we've gone on paying
them based on
uh
the date of the payment so this is
really just a catch up and more of an
accounting purposes
requests as opposed to a new need
related to these loans
and um
in regards to the sewer fund we have a
request for 64 000
uh this is again related to the
an additional payment for our owda in
ohio public
works collaboration
loans um for infrastructure
as well as thirty thousand dollars in
salary shifts uh related to
um uh where personnel is currently
working on and uh charging those funds
appropriately
i would like to add something uh brian
on the last place apartment you're gonna
see that high number and that's due
because we closed on the property and
this year in 2022 so we're shifting that
expenditure over to
year 2022
so that's why you're seeing that that uh
higher amount under loss in place what
also is included in that amount is the
mortgage payment utility payment
insurance and all the operating costs
that in order for us to spend that money
we have to have it appropriated in the
budget
and the revenue streams will come
through as part of the payment
collections as a separate items on our
revenues so i just wanted to provide
some clarity on on that
all right thank you josue uh any
questions or comments from council
okay if not i'm going to close the
public hearing and judy if you could
call the role please
yes mcqueen
brown
yes
stokes yes krieger
yes
thank you
all right next up we've got resolution
20 22
10
and we can read that in by title only
this is approving the purchase of a
sludge press
all right can i get a motion
second
all right um
josue are you talking about this this is
me that's the kind of enthusiasm i was
hoping for yes
all right so sledge press i want to take
you back in time to
september 8th to 2020 when we were
pulling out of uh renergie and we did
not know what we were going to do with
all of our biosolids i'm sure there's
other ways to describe the biosolids but
we found ourselves in a bit of a pile so
we went on an exploratory process at the
time we thought it was going to be more
costly to move away from energy and just
background renergie is that company just
outside of town that took or biosolids
as a liquid and they did some fancy
stuff with it to turn it into energy and
in that process
they've upset a lot of a lot of
neighbors
uh anyway so we pulled out of energy
we're unsure what what all the financial
impact would be
so we proposed two options an on-site
sled on-site sludge press and removal
and then we would deliver it to
landfills
brown county landfill was one of them we
were already we already had an energy
contract with them or we could apply it
locally we had permits that we could
apply the biosolids on farmlands um we
thought that that might be hit or miss
with the popularity with our neighbors
but that was an option the other piece
was outsourcing biosolids removal at the
time we had a mobile press
lined up to haul any additional
biosolids we tried that out for some
time it was very expensive
whether they're landfill options
i think carbon's really excited about
this
biogas generation of brown at brown
county landfill
so we center by outside of there they
have a landfill which collects the
landfill gas that goes into wells then
gas extraction which gets burned off
using gas engines and it generates
electricity and it comes back to us so
that's one of the landfill options we're
looking at
and we've continued using that model so
this is a map of the lan application
approved sites that we had those are
everything on blue that we could apply
or buy at solids on we did again we
didn't go that route
we went with the onsite sludge press
this is what tomato plants that grow
under biosolids look like
this is a brad he he i was impressed
with his uh
skills of playing in this stuff and
looking at the tomato plants but you
know biosolids are that good that they
they were growing tomato plants so after
all of this
we pursued this avenue we thought it was
going to be more expensive we're
pleasantly surprised that through this
extensive process
the
on-site sludge press
and pressing on site and delivering to
brown county landfill has resulted in
solving a problem that we have while
also
saving us money how much you may ask
looking at the total expense for 2021 of
uh renting the machine where 82 000 um
hauling to energy would have cost us uh
80 000. so that price point is just a
little bit higher but we're looking at
the in the 82 000 it includes the rental
of the of the machine if we buy the
machine which is what you're voting on
now we would buy the machine
156 000
we won't have that rental expense that's
going to save us 21
hundred and seven dollars on an annual
basis because we won't have a rental
expense uh we will own the machine so
this machine would have a return on
investment or we'll break even or make
our money back in seven to eight years
in savings
so this this uh resolution before you
does two things
it it helps ensure the continuation of
dealing with biosolids in a responsible
and economic way and it also uh has a a
return investment where the money that
you put into allowing us to buy this
press machine will make back in seven to
eight years in the machine with good
care it can live for another 20 years
johnny is online he can talk a bit more
detail on how the how the gears and all
that stuff work it's some really fancy
stuff
and we're excited that we found the
solution
so i asked for your authorization to
buy this machine
okay thanks josue uh are there any
questions or comments from council
members
yeah so what is the life expectancy
josue
johnny
you want to take that
are you there
yes so the life expectancy marianne this
was completely rebuilt when we got it so
as long as we do our maintenance and
upkeep
uh the life expectancy is as good as the
motors that are on it so i'm figuring
you know as long as we do our
maintenance we're
20 to 30 years and we have to do motor
maintenance
but this one was completely rebuilt
before we took it upon rent and it had
already been in place for
20 years so it's got brand new motors
we had to replace the conveyor belt on
it this year due to a snagging the thing
but we got that taken care of
okay
anything else
right if not then um
gee if you can call the roll please
yes stokes
brown
yes
the queen
yes
krieger
yes
thank you
okay
uh next up or last up is resolution 20
22 11.
and we can also do that by title only
all right this is authorizing payment of
invoices with then announce certificate
for the first quarter of 2022.
can i get a motion
second
all right matt dillon
brian if i may start with that because
you know part of this is is you know i
like to take ownership for when i screw
up and uh
one of these is a screw-up i made i we
we were looking to value all of our
infrastructure assets and we had engaged
c biz in a work and somewhere along the
line we missed a creating appeal so um
that's why why you had this dinner now
we in my two years and a half of being
in the organization we've avoided
dinner nows
so this is my first one and i don't i
hope that they're not a common
occurrence
so i wanted to pre-phase that
and so that's that's 6 300 but we wanted
to take the opportunity and catch up on
a couple things one is this irs
outstanding bill and let matt get to it
and uh catch up on the
loans for the water plant matt
thank you this way
yes so for the the two loan payments um
you'll if you'll look at i've provided
the invoices for those uh those have
been dated um
the the previous year uh they're both
dated 2021
and the payment dates were reflecting uh
2022 payment dates uh previously we've
we've been paying these uh invoices and
not budgeting enough to to complete
those payments uh by year end
so uh one thing to clean up is we're
going to go ahead and add this
what is essentially a third payment into
the budget for this year for the opwc
and owda payments uh and this doesn't
doesn't relate to an additional payment
owed
um but more of an accounting treatment
on how to catch up to those payments to
reflect those
in the year that the invoice is dated
and not so much the year when the
payment is due
so that speaks to the the ohio water
development association payments and the
as far as the irs
request is concerned
we have received some correspondence
from the irs related to payments
or 941 filings which would be tax income
taxes owed they had several adjustments
to them
and
these adjustments were from errors that
occurred
from 2020 and
earlier so um
we're just attempting to catch up with
the irs while we
learn more about what what mistakes were
made within those filings they were
relatively minor but do add up over time
but
we just
will
go ahead and bring that to your
attention and and communicate with the
irs regarding accurate filings moving
forward
so matt you're saying we don't know
what those issues were yet is that
what i'm saying is i ha
due to the nature of the communication
with the irs at this at this time during
uh due to the pandemic and various other
things
we've engaged in um
a lot of
postal mail correspondence without um
really
engaging in understanding what happened
back in 2020 and prior what is clear to
us is that they have
submitted an invoice to us to catch up
on these payments
and
through
due diligence i will explore the
opportunities that
that our filings were possibly accurate
prior to that and that this judgment
against us um i'll explore you know and
get some facts regarding that uh we
wanted to bring this um then and now to
your attention at this time because
interest has been
uh
interest and penalties has been
um put on to this
to this finding and yeah i'm sorry i'm
i'm clear about all that i just wanted
to clarify that we don't know
why these errors occurred
and so it sounds like we don't know that
yet but we will we're following up and
then we may be able to appeal it or
something is that right
i hope to be able to articulate the
findings a little bit more than i have
at this very very moment
what i only have is the correspondence
received that i've
provided to council
and
the general customer service phone
number which hangs up after uh several
attempts so we're we're looking to have
a more
um involved conversation with with the
irs on that uh and again i think the
amounts you'll see are rather minor is
just about understanding the payment
before we issue it
okay lisa
i feel like i should know this but who
does our tax preparation
we do
well the the irs um we work with rita
obviously rita's the uh the income tax
collector on our behalf
um but but certain payments from the
village
to the irs that
were issued internally so that that
would be that's the finance so the
actual analysis and tax forms and
figuring out how much we'd have to pay
and everything has been done internally
by the finance director
not by like a tax accountant or
something
i'm sorry could you repeat that that
seemed like a loaded question for me
just to agree well i just i just don't
know who
like i have a tax accountant right
but maybe it was the finance director
who does that because it's within the
scope of what a finance director does
um somewhat lisa i mean honestly like we
we have a shared relationship with rita
regarding our tax filings um the the
amount of to the village i would i would
validate as my role as the finance
director
okay
thanks i just didn't know
and i may add some more to that lisa we
we file our 941s which are the federal
federal employee tax reports we don't
file a tax return like a corporation or
an individual
at that level of tax preparation what we
do file are annual reports to the state
through the hinkle system and so that's
the equivalent of our tax return if you
will for the municipal corporation what
we file for the federal government are
these 941 reports which are primarily
employee wages
and we we do that ourselves because we
do our own payroll processing
uh one of the things that we've changed
since matt's matt's been on board is
moving to a more automated process with
regards to
wage payments and uh in reports
so we automate a lot of that versus a
more traditional manual process that
existed
in previous administration so i hope
that that
alleviates some of the some of the
issues with reconciling the reports and
to matt's point this report is
looking at a discrepancy in filings
before 2020. it could be a human error
it could be a calculation you know it
could be a number of things um matt's
taking the proactive approach given the
the delays and response from the from
the irs letter after letter while still
incurring the penalty and interest given
the amount four thousand dollars we have
no reason to vote to think that they're
wrong unless we know what
what they say we're wrong so we're just
moving forward and paying for it and
then we'll figure out if a credit is due
to us or an employee down the road
yeah i would agree with what what josue
said thank you very much for helping me
to articulate that
i i do not pay bills which i do not
understand
in this case what we're attempting to do
is bring our account current with them
while we uh seek further information and
uh as josue
mentioned this the
tax filings are somewhat an ongoing
reconciliation process where amendments
can be made to prior years which would
cause a difference in the amounts owed
okay anything else
uh okay um
judy can call the roll
yes mcqueen
krieger
yes
brown
yes
stokes
yes
thank you
okay it's citizen concerns this is a
time on the agenda where we'll take
comments about anything that has not
been on the agenda so
uh no comments about the pud
do we have any citizen concerns
okay i'm assuming that matthew kirk's
hand being up all this time is is not he
he actually did send a text and say he
wanted a minute i don't know if it's pud
related or not
all right he took his hand down so
um
all right
guessing we don't have any citizen
concerns
okay
so
uh our treasurer report
you're sure you want to go through this
now
well we put it off for long enough so
we're we're gonna stick through all of
this so all right so
this is pretty outdated at this point i
will say and um yeah we actually do now
have a new
uh quarterly report from
uh brad drager which uh each things are
shifting
quite a good deal so your next report
will be a little more exciting but as of
september 30th september 30th 2021 the
village had under active investment 10
million 470 408 dollars that's an
increase of
six hundred 273
ten since the second quarter report
that total investment numbers derived
from combining the raymond jane's
account and the west bank of account
information
interest earnings from july through
september were raymond james one 1 26
and 37 cents and west banco 31 788.16
last treasurer's report was in september
you do have brad drager's quarterly
report to the village which was written
in october and then you will get be
getting a new one in the next
in the next treasurer's report i've got
information on par value and money
market funds and that sort of thing
those have not moved except to
shift up
in terms of how much more recent they
are
i guess the most um
notable thing there is that the
estimated annual coupon cash flow is
eight thousand nine hundred and forty
two dollars
and the annual cash flow is just about
that eight thousand nine hundred and
forty four dollars
the village had zero funds in star oak
ohio in the last quarter
493 531 dollars in raymond james and
nine million nine hundred seventy six
thousand eight hundred and seventy six
in the west bank account
as of september thirtieth the raymond
james rate for the raymond james uh cd
purchases are earning an average of one
point nine two
on a 1.13 year commitment and west bank
rate is fixed at 1.25 with nearly
immediate availability star ohio back
then as a comparison was earning 0.08
um
which was the place it was in the
september treasurer's report that's
going to change a lot for the next
report
treasury rates are climbing ever so
slowly and we actually have a um
we're gonna we have a meeting set up
with brad drager in the next coming
weeks to talk about possibly shifting
funds and that is a discussion we
haven't had in
a very long time so that's that's the
significance of the
rising interest rates in the last couple
of months that's it
all right thanks judy
any questions for judy
there are a whole nother 58 pages on
i summarized
okay
uh all right well thank you very much um
old business um
we are going to talk a little bit about
commission updates
let me start first um two things that we
need to uh wrap up i'd mention the ys
schools liaison
and i don't know if anyone's interested
in that i am willing to be that liaison
but happy for someone else who is
interested to do it
i'd i'd be willing to
co-do that with you if you are
interested being alternate
sure
and then secondly i i was reminded that
um we typically have a chamber liaison i
have been that person in the past
but if there is a council member that
would like to take on that role um i'm
happy to pass the torch but i'm also
fine with uh
continuing that
you know i don't mean to sign other
people up for work but it might seem to
align nicely with the development
corporation
sorry about that mr stokes
yes ma'am um i agree with your
assessment by the way
so
uh
yeah brian are you are you uh
considering at least staying alternate
um
sure
uh yeah i guess i there is a meeting
this thursday at 8 am
and it is via zoom
so
um and yeah just keep in mind because we
got in a little bit of hot water um
but the liaison role is we just give
updates
we're not voting or anything like that
so
yeah i see mark heiss is on um so mark
you can go ahead and mike often if you
want to say something
or mike on i should say
so
i just want to say i would be more than
happy to um provide kevin with the with
the zoom meeting and we would welcome
any input from the
council um
very very we're very excited about this
year as as josue knows
because we've been very active in
keeping the village updated on our plans
um so it's going to be an exciting year
and we welcome any input from it from
the village
yeah thanks mark and i really appreciate
your and britney's and others energy
behind um reviving the chamber and um we
definitely want to have a close
relationship just like with the schools
all right so kevin does that mean you
wanna you would like to be that primary
liaison to the chamber that is what it
means yes okay great
okay and then
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okay and then um
lisa was this also your agenda item
uh
not really i mean i guess what we have
to think about
um so a little bit
the the coordinator of the village
mediation program has resigned for a
wonderful new opportunity
and so uh marianne and i are going to
have a
conversation on
friday with a esteemed member of the
mediation team
to have some
brainstorming
about how
that coordinator position
given that mediation is always a
confidential and private
thing how we might be able to leverage
some of that person power
to get the crb at least up and running
um so i'm excited about that because
it's the right skill set in the long run
i'm not saying that the village
mediation program is the crb
i'm just saying we need some capacity
so if we can find a person with the
right skill set who's a very
well-trained mediator that's following
the dayton model which was very
successful
where the crb
was coordinated by mediators
what's left clear to me
is how
and we don't have to decide this tonight
for heaven's sake
but i keep thinking about how is the
effort to stand up the crb
going to sit
um
in the in the uh
with the other commission that carmen
and
kevin are working on
and i just i just don't know because i
feel like it sets us up for sunshine
law complications
if we have this body of people who are
very very interested
in these justice system issues that have
two council persons and then if i i
don't want to be just like
floating out there on the side
and not really able to join the groups i
just i don't have an answer but i have
been fretting about it
structural perspective
yeah i mean i will say you know
when a it's a publicly announced meeting
um that you know means that uh
council members
can participate so
um
yeah and i think that that doesn't
remind me i think the other reason we
had this on on here was to talk about um
the mash-up
between um the justice system commission
and um hrc
uh but i would propose that um i think
we're all getting to the point where
we've probably had um quite a bit of
council meeting so uh
why don't we why don't we more formally
place this on the agenda for next time
right right and brian let me say that
yeah uh carmen uh and judy and i
had some conversations about it we
post some initial changes so it's you
know it is a a
live moving process and with respect to
the crb um i do
suppose there would probably be a
relationship but i don't know that the
social justice commission would do much
more than
referring perhaps to the
crb
not i don't i don't
i don't see yet and i could be convinced
either way but there being a hardline
relationship between between the two so
um i think that
leads to with that uh situation allay
some of your concerns
yeah i just don't want to get into a
situation where it's just too difficult
to make decisions together
if you know if we're if we're in liaison
with vmp which
marianne and i and we'll work it out
yeah in this i think this certainly um
i'm just going to say this you know we
saw a a massive display of a lot of
citizen engagement
um you know i'll just say to those that
are still listening um here's a place
where you can step up um and and uh
create uh some more bandwidth and some
more capacity for village council
we need folks to serve on these
commissions that are that are forming or
morphing um you know so i think for the
next couple of council meetings we have
to perhaps consider making that clarion
call
and again encourage folks who have
apparently a great deal of energy and
i'm not being disrespectful i'm just
saying
um here's a good place to use some of
that energy
okay sounds good
um all right so we have no new business
and
um i
would like manager's report to be uh
either brief or if there are any
questions
so josue is there anything in particular
that you need to highlight
a lot of good stuff going on um
body cameras we're almost ready to bring
back a presentation of the the policy
we're probably two two meetings away
um
good things happening on the
water loss charts we've included those
charts for you i hope you've appreciated
uh you see the significant water loss
reductions
we've had
um
police chief search we've settled on
dates so i'll be working on that this
week to
schedule those interviews schedule those
forums
and move forward with that process
okay i'm open to questions
all right does anyone have any questions
for josue
all right thanks josue um hopefully next
meeting we'll have more time uh to hear
about some of that great stuff all right
future agenda items anything um
that
folks want to make sure is in the mix
yes um i want to be able to talk about
the active transportation
um team
whatever i call it and i'd like to meet
with you ryan between now and the next
meeting so that we could make a proposal
okay sounds great
anything else um
judy and i guess this is a question for
judy and carmen could we at least have
something to present
in the second meeting in march regarding
the
justice system commission
yeah i'm on board for that
okay judy
absolutely i mean i can i've sort of
been holding off on
taking a machete to that ordinance and
quacking stuff in and pulling stuff out
um
but i can start doing that and then you
can
weigh in and we'll get we'll get
something we'll get a draft going so yes
is the short answer there okay so that's
like the 21st of march
i believe so haven't looked that far
ahead
that sounds right
okay anything else yeah really quickly
i'm interested in
the crb proposal being put forward with
the two pillars
um
intact
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okay
so the two pillars have to do with the
um
protection of confidentiality and so
that relates to my comments
before about possibly being able to use
a trained mediator to do confidential
intake
um and then the other one has to do
um with the scope of power of the crb to
make recommendations about
um
you know what should happen with
officers around who there's been a
complaint
and that echoes back to my comments i
think at the last council meeting where
i said we still really have to have a
genuine legal review of the proposal
for the ohio legality that we didn't get
from our previous attorney guy whose
name i don't remember right now and i
apologize for that we still need to get
that insight and until we get that we
are kind of uh
i'm struggling with the with the scope
of the second pillar
right
regarding mediation
has anyone reached out to jane rothman
he's part of that group
so
and you may recall that at one point
way back in the
stone ages
there were some members of the mediation
team who were very interested in
becoming the
beginning seeds of the crb and that was
good because they have the right kind of
training
and background so
um
i mean i i while i'm sorry that we've
had turnover
in that role i think that
it may create a real opportunity to find
the right person
who could
be at least the first
coordinator
that could do both things
yeah can i i'll jump in for a minute i
uh as lisa said given that um
luciana
has very fortunately for her been
named to a
rapid response team uh mediation for the
date for dayton it just seemed like
we have two needs that are basically a
similar need and
it isn't neither of the need presumably
will take up a lot of time per month so
it seemed like at least we might talk
about is there a way to consolidate
that one person
however the two groups
move forward
and maybe there would end up being two
people but it would be a way to get to
jumpstart the
crb
and also continue the mediation program
because
probably the mediation gets a few calls
every month you know it varies but
um so we're not looking at a
a huge
time commitment for any one person and
if we put them together
we could probably save some money and
give one person a little more
opportunity
so it sounds like we're
we're now like talking about uh you know
the issue rather than just a
future agenda item so
let's put it on the agenda
um do we have any other future agenda
items
that's right then i put alex scott on so
she is on for the section 8.
thank you that's great okay anything
else
all right i'll entertain a motion to
adjourn
second second
okay all those in favor signify by
saying aye
aye aye
all right have a great evening
you