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all right good evening everyone and

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welcome to the february 7th 2022 regular

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meeting of the council of the village

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yellow springs

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and we've already gotten this meeting

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started we just came out of an executive

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session so we're going to run right into

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announcements and i'm actually going to

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start off with a few and then if others

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have them um

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so i want to begin with as we get a

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picture on the screen um just kind of

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highlighting that i've got my bulldog

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blue

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got my button on

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got my bulldog mug because i want to

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give a big shout out to

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two of our speech and debate students

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who qualify for national are for states

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they'll qualify for nationals too uh

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this past saturday and that is jenny

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meeken and adelia hallett

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and so if you see them around town make

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sure to give them a big shout out

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because uh they're gonna be competing

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with hundreds of kids across the state

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and i think it's really exciting also i

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wanted to thank bike yellow springs um

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which is our local chapter of bike miami

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valley they recently paid to have our

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fix it station at the train station uh

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get back into working order and um

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that's a great asset that we have in

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town for

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plumbing up your tires and being able to

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set up your bike if you have something

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that you need to repair

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i also wanted to mention uh that one of

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our uh great team members johnny burns

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had his birthday this past saturday and

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um uh that came after a lot of uh snow

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activity plowing whatnot so i do want to

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thank the entire uh village crew

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for all the work that they did during uh

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all that snow activity

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and um

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one other thing i wanted to mention is

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that uh our next meeting because uh it

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will be president's day on february 21st

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will happen on february 22nd

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and uh so um just keep that in mind mark

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your calendars i know that our council

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meetings have become really popular

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and the last thing i want to mention is

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uh and i think we have something on the

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screen for this as well

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one of our um local citizens who has

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done a lot of work to support the

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village cindy seek

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was awarded one of the top 100 public

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service volunteers

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uh they had over

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700 applicants

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they um

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they came from 49 states and if you

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don't know cindy seek she helped with

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our culture of health initiative

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she recently put in a lot of work um

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volunteering to uh submit our rebuilding

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america's infrastructure with

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sustainability and equity and uh she's

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just all around like always there to

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support constructively all the great

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things that we're doing in our community

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so thank you cindy we appreciate you

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and um i don't know if josue or any

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other council members have any other

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announcements

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brian i would like to add to your your

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um your statement about the preparation

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for the snow i i want to thank my team

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for having such a great uh contingency

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plan in place you know when we have a

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public works team that's responsible for

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snow plowing power outages down branches

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water mains it's one crew

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responsible for all of those things and

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we had a big

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snow event coming through and we were

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prepared to address any one of those

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emergencies and it's all done with one

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crew

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so we've got an amazing team we're able

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to work around the clock from wednesday

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night into saturday morning uh to take

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care of any issues that came up and

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and my the team did such a great job i

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couldn't ask for a better team so thank

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you thank you all for what you do

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all right any other announcements

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okay

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if not then we are going to uh move into

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the consent agenda and um those are the

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minutes from our last meeting as well as

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the minutes from the work session that

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we had

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and i'll entertain a motion to approve

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the consent agenda

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approve the consent agenda

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okay

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and i heard a second

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okay

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and uh judy if you could call the role

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please

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yes stokes

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mcqueen

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yes thank you

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okay

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um next up is a review of the agenda

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anything that we need to change add or

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ma or delete

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hearing none i'm going to hand it over

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to vice president kevin stokes to run

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through our petitions and communications

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thank you brian

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and what i have what the clerk has

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received this week

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for petition communications in the

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packet first of all we do have the

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letter and certificate

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from the small town regarding the small

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town volunteer award for cindy sikh

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nick buddhist has

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provided a letter

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from

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regarding the glenn helen tecumseh land

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trust grant award for site cleanup

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alexandria scott

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has a letter

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requesting time on the agenda for

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section 8 education she's representing

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the inclusive brazilian yell springs

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coalition

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the mayor's clerk has the mayor's court

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report there's two

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instances of that

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dino palada has a letter offering us

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information regarding housing finance

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information links

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dino also issued a letter challenging

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the pud process

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max chrome has a letter with links to a

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presentation by max crone

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greene county community health

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department

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has information regarding a vaccine

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clinic that'll be february 8

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at antioch college

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and we have a group of um

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letters

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uh some in support and some in uh

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opposition to the pudding and i'll read

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those off first the letters who that

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came in in support of the pud

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for the overall pud connie colette kathy

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adams

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and carolyn ray

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those folks and entities that issued

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letters

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in opposition to the pud are sarah mabra

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emily fober

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brittany baum

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catherine price

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felicia chappelle

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joanna schultz hermann

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the resident activism of yellow springs

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trustees max chrome

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laura curless

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shirley christensen

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and that is all we have for petitions

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and communications thank you very much

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thank you kevin all right so we're going

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to move into our um legislation and

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first up we have the second reading of

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ordinance 202202

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and judy we can read that in by title

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right this is rezoning 52.65 acres of

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property located north of the east hyde

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road and west of spillane road to

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planned unit development residential pdr

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and amending the zoning map thereby

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approving the preliminary development

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all right can i get a motion

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i move

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and there's a second

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okay um all right so before we open the

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public hearing i would just like to ask

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knowing that we've had over 20 hours of

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discussion on um the pud

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and uh i believe most of us have been

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eating breathing sleeping um the pud for

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the last couple months

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what is it that

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council members need to make their

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uh and so

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feel free to mic on and just kind of let

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uh you want to run things like the

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citizen comments and so forth um so that

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we get what we need

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well brian first of all if you'll allow

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me oh yeah kevin please

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yes this kevin stokes um

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due to potential complex adventures i'm

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going to recuse myself from this hearing

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and from discussion and from any vote

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on this legislation

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okay thanks kevin

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all right and i know that josue will be

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removing your privileges and you're

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camering off

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mary ann mcqueen anything in particular

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that you're looking for in this

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discussion or with our um citizen

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i do have some points that i would like

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to make and i have written out a bullet

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uh presentation to go over that

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i can do that now or i could do that

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after citizen's comments and whatever

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the pleasure of counsel is

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okay well i think uh i think that that

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sorry we'll maybe we'll come back in a

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minute lisa krieger anything that um

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you're looking for to help make your

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decision

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um yeah i i am in particular thinking a

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lot about the financial scrutiny of the

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cost benefit analysis

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um as well as um

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uh the element about the um

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complementary

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mix of housing types those are the

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things that are on my mind tonight

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as i approach this boat

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okay uh carmen how about you

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i'm ready to go i'm good

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good

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okay and um i i think the main thing

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i'll emphasize is um

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we've heard a lot of comments um i i

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think we would be looking for any uh new

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uh information um because i think mostly

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what we've heard has been sort of

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repeating the the same issues which we

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have certainly listened to and we've

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read all the letters and and certainly

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talked to a lot of people

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um the other thing is we are going to be

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limiting comments to two minutes

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and um uh we'll need to make sure that

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people are really clear about um giving

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their name and their affiliation as they

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as we requested last time

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um and that is your affiliation to the

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village

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um with our

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um group that's having the watch party

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i'm not exactly sure what's the best way

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to to work that because we'll need to be

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bouncing around with comments um it

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seems like you're texting judy

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so maybe judy can kind of help

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facilitate letting me know who wants to

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speak

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and um otherwise

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uh

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just remember that we will not tolerate

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any personal attacks um if those occur

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then we will have to mute you

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and um

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i think that's about it judy any other

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protocol that i'm missing

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i don't believe so no

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okay

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um so marianne back to you do you want

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to make your comments now or wait till

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after the citizen comments

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i can talk now okay go ahead

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so i there are four

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four points that i would like to make

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uh first is i'd like to just go over

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what the two options are before us

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the second i'd like to register my

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concern about some of the tactics that

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are being used to oppose the development

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i'd also like to briefly speak to the

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ecology of the the site itself

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and lastly just what i see is the

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opportunity

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so

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um

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you know we're in this little village

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but we're in this country where

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i don't know 30 or

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40 percent of the people i guess think

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that president trump won the election

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i'm not sure what that proportion is

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which seems odd

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but i have to say that

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it also seems odd that in this village

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i believe there's approximately the same

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percentage of people

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who don't understand that there are two

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options for this development either a

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pud

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or a single family

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subdivision

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and i think we've tried to put that

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information out i understand that it can

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be confusing

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it involves property rights subdivision

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rights zoning code building codes

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and the role of the comprehensive land

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use plan

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so i'd like to first just discuss very

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briefly the piece of negotiating for the

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pud which took over a year and involved

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our staff

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so if if you're negotiating that means

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you have to have something

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to put on the table you have to have

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something you want you have to have

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something that you can

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that that you can give

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in this case

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the village did not have a lot of

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play playroom here because ober already

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had what they wanted they wanted to do a

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single family subdivision

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so i think it speaks

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well of ober that they were willing to

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spend uh over a year to work with

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primarily our staff

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and i particularly think it speaks well

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of our staff

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who were willing and able to negotiate

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the deal that they did

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so i'm talking particularly about josue

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salmeron our village manager

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johnny

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burns our public work director

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and uh denise swinger our planning and

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zoner

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person

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judy kintner has been involved and our

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attorney

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brianne parcells has as well

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but these people have put their heart

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and soul for the last year into this

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negotiation

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and we have been getting a lot of uh

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emails of people who mistakenly i

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don't understand

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that the village just did not have

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anything to offer really other than

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the goodwill of oberer

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or their their interest in being a good

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neighbor

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and frankly i cannot think of anyone in

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the village who could have done a better

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job than our staff

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and i'm going to be sarcastic here

390
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but if you think you could have done a

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better job

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then i suggest you

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put your name in for one of those

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positions because if i were one of our

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staff at this point i might be thinking

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about working someplace else for more

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money at a place that appreciated the

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work that i did

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so

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set that emotionality aside

401
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my sense is that there have been three

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groups of people who've been opposing

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the pud

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the biggest group i think are people

405
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that don't understand

406
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that just what i've said that there are

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two options

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there's a second group and it's a small

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group i think who do understand they

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they understand that

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the option is a single family

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subdivision and they prefer that

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that's cool

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i i don't that's not what i think but uh

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i can see i can see some rationale in

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that decision

417
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then there's another group and i don't

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know how big it is

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who do understand that there are two

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options

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and their strategy

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is to convince people to oppose the pud

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and then work to

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put roadblocks in the way so that oberer

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cannot do the single-family subdivision

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and an email that i had from someone in

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this group sort of says i think sort of

428
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what the strategy is

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slow down the developer make it more

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difficult

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more expensive and time consuming

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consuming

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increasing the chances that they will

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sell to a party that actually has love

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for the village

436
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well

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a party who actually has love for the

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village already had a chance to buy the

439
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property and that party didn't

440
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but well whoever that party is or may be

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i didn't

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judith hemfling

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who with her she and i sort of led the

444
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community effort to save the white owl

445
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farm we didn't do it the village

446
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government didn't home inc didn't um the

447
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chamber didn't the foundation didn't uh

448
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the community development corporation

449
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none of us who live in the village who

450
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knew that that property was for sale for

451
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or was available at any rate sitting

452
00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:16,320
there for decades none of us bothered to

453
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go around and try and buy it

454
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but oberer did

455
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so i have a problem

456
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with the idea that

457
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of trying to put roadblocks and

458
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hamper and hassle this process in order

459
00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:35,360
to push ober out so that

460
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someone else can buy the property we had

461
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our chance it's our bad we didn't do it

462
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and i have to say that

463
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at least max chrome who is leading one

464
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of these efforts and i assume dave

465
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chappelle

466
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is involved in this as well

467
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max has said publicly that he's looking

468
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out for his business interests and

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dave's business interests

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i have asked

471
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what is it in their business interest

472
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that this

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development is going to hurt and

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in the interest of transparency

475
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i would like to know but right now we've

476
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received one of our council members has

477
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received a legal threat from max

478
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and now we're being asked

479
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on a fishing expedition which is what

480
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it's called to send all of our emails

481
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from august 1st

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to

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max's attorney

484
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i just see that as part of this

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uh harassment in terms of what i think

486
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about

487
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so the property itself there have been

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people have talked about the property of

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screen you know it has a stream in it

490
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etc

491
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well not everything that's green is a

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pristine natural property three

493
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three-fifths of that property has been

494
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farmed with industrial agriculture

495
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industrial agriculture is contributing

496
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to thirty percent of our greenhouse gas

497
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emissions it also has uses fertilizer

498
00:24:03,360 --> 00:24:05,840
pesticides herbicides that flow into

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that creek and that flow into the little

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miami river so this is this is not like

501
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some nature preserve that we're putting

502
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:16,159
housing on the creek itself has been

503
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channelized as sort of a creek sort of a

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drainage ditch

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has much

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honeysuckle around it

507
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scrub trees it's not exactly a pristine

508
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site i will say it has a mother of all

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oak trees on that

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site which i will ensure gets preserved

511
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and i will be the first person up there

512
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if there's any danger for that tree

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so

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in closing

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[Music]

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we didn't do what we could have done we

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everyone in this community acquired that

518
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property we didn't do it

519
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so i want to encourage people rather

520
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than trying to stop this project let's

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do what we can do to make this a great

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neighborhood for example this could be

523
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the first neighborhood in yellow springs

524
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:09,120
that has all natural plants that's a

525
00:25:09,120 --> 00:25:11,760
natural habitat neighborhood that would

526
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be a first not just in yellow springs

527
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but probably in all of ohio

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so

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i will end

530
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with that

531
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thanks

532
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okay thank you marianne um all right so

533
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:27,440
we're gonna shift to uh citizen comments

534
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:30,880
and um again using the raise your hand

535
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:33,520
symbol would be the best way for me to

536
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:36,000
be able to recognize who wants to speak

537
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,640
and uh i saw matthew kirk's hand go up

538
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:40,880
before we even started so uh matthew

539
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i'll begin with you

540
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:52,080
hey how's it going brian

541
00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:54,720
good all right i will do my best to uh

542
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:57,520
keep it to two minutes there's a

543
00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:00,400
kind of a lot to unpack still

544
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:01,520
um

545
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:03,600
i guess the biggest thing and i want to

546
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:05,360
say you know i was part of the community

547
00:26:05,360 --> 00:26:07,200
group that uh worked with cosplay on

548
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:09,279
this project and i was really excited

549
00:26:09,279 --> 00:26:11,039
when we first started talking about it

550
00:26:11,039 --> 00:26:12,960
and the idea of these duplexes was

551
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:14,400
brought in instead of single family

552
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:16,400
homes because in my mind that meant

553
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:18,240
rental opportunities

554
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:20,080
however once the plan actually was

555
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:22,799
presented my view salaried because what

556
00:26:22,799 --> 00:26:25,679
i saw before me we're not duplexes but

557
00:26:25,679 --> 00:26:27,039
we're a product that's actually called a

558
00:26:27,039 --> 00:26:28,159
twin hole

559
00:26:28,159 --> 00:26:30,799
and uh the way this is being set up is

560
00:26:30,799 --> 00:26:32,320
these are really functioning as

561
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:34,000
condominiums

562
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,000
you know uh the grass is gonna be mowed

563
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:38,159
by the hoa the snow removal is going to

564
00:26:38,159 --> 00:26:40,720
be done by the hoa

565
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:43,840
and so just by virtue of including those

566
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:45,279
that property is going to have to have

567
00:26:45,279 --> 00:26:47,679
an hoa in perpetuity

568
00:26:47,679 --> 00:26:50,880
at no point you know will it be able to

569
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:53,200
kind of fall into the natural fabric of

570
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:54,880
yellow springs

571
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,360
um and be have it you know property

572
00:26:57,360 --> 00:26:58,559
owners be able to have their own

573
00:26:58,559 --> 00:27:01,440
definition of what they want to do there

574
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:03,360
and when you really look at the brass

575
00:27:03,360 --> 00:27:05,120
tacks of the project

576
00:27:05,120 --> 00:27:06,960
it's roughly the same number of homes

577
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,760
roughly the same amount of revenue from

578
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:11,760
a tax perspective

579
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:12,799
um

580
00:27:12,799 --> 00:27:14,080
one thing that we're doing though is

581
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:15,760
we're taking a significant portion of

582
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:18,720
the property and allocating it to

583
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:21,360
more of a niche classification

584
00:27:21,360 --> 00:27:24,080
where single-family homes 8 out of 10

585
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:26,720
new home buyers that's what they prefer

586
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:28,720
no matter the age range

587
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:30,880
so really that is going to be a more

588
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:32,880
diverse product i think it's going to

589
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:34,399
integrate into the community better in

590
00:27:34,399 --> 00:27:36,399
the long term whereas what we're really

591
00:27:36,399 --> 00:27:38,000
getting is a single family home

592
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,000
development and a condominium

593
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,320
development uh right next to each other

594
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:43,600
essentially

595
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:45,679
um and so i think it's important to kind

596
00:27:45,679 --> 00:27:47,120
of understand the framing and also

597
00:27:47,120 --> 00:27:49,279
understand how those products attract

598
00:27:49,279 --> 00:27:50,960
different home buyers

599
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:52,720
and what it is we're trying to attract

600
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:54,320
as we're a community that's trying to

601
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:56,480
get uh younger

602
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:58,080
sorry

603
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:00,950
that's two minutes

604
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:10,549
all right

605
00:28:10,559 --> 00:28:12,480
matt met your muted i promise i didn't

606
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:24,800
do

607
00:28:24,810 --> 00:28:26,720
[Music]

608
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,360
brian i i hear you i see you moving your

609
00:28:29,360 --> 00:28:30,880
lips or you're trying to

610
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:31,760
speak

611
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,159
shoot sorry yeah um i was saying john

612
00:28:34,159 --> 00:28:37,840
phoenix so yes jonphy go ahead

613
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:40,080
okay i had three

614
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:41,919
points of

615
00:28:41,919 --> 00:28:43,600
why not to to

616
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:45,760
or why to reject

617
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:47,360
uh the putt

618
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:49,120
but i'ma start out with my solution

619
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:52,240
which i see max is already on to

620
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:55,039
and it is you know to prevent this from

621
00:28:55,039 --> 00:28:57,360
happening in the future

622
00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:59,520
on other issues as well

623
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:02,159
we should have a uh review of how this

624
00:29:02,159 --> 00:29:04,720
plan developed and rolled out with

625
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,279
little or no community input

626
00:29:07,279 --> 00:29:08,880
because that's why we're at where we're

627
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:10,720
at right now

628
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:14,640
in other words transparency of a process

629
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:15,840
so that's

630
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:17,919
my solution oriented to keep things like

631
00:29:17,919 --> 00:29:19,279
this happen because this has happened on

632
00:29:19,279 --> 00:29:20,720
other issues

633
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:22,799
selection of the police chief selection

634
00:29:22,799 --> 00:29:23,919
committee

635
00:29:23,919 --> 00:29:26,000
review of the citizen review board and

636
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:27,200
other things

637
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:29,360
that have been surreptitiously behind

638
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:32,159
doors and then presented to communities

639
00:29:32,159 --> 00:29:34,880
uh so transparency process

640
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,120
uh reasons

641
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,039
this should be rejected because this is

642
00:29:39,039 --> 00:29:40,799
it's uh

643
00:29:40,799 --> 00:29:43,279
the social normal social economic

644
00:29:43,279 --> 00:29:46,559
overlay is just it's

645
00:29:46,559 --> 00:29:49,039
is flat out disgusting

646
00:29:49,039 --> 00:29:51,840
just because it's small scale is still

647
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:53,440
the type of

648
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:56,320
social engineering of 70 60 years ago

649
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:57,120
where

650
00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:59,279
low-income people were were coerced or

651
00:29:59,279 --> 00:30:01,919
herded into a certain part of the city

652
00:30:01,919 --> 00:30:02,720
into

653
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:04,240
tenements and

654
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:07,350
projects

655
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:09,440
secondly

656
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:13,279
uh it's overly obvious that ysdc has

657
00:30:13,279 --> 00:30:18,159
been stroking oberer for months or years

658
00:30:18,159 --> 00:30:20,240
for personal reasons

659
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:22,399
of building a personal legacy never

660
00:30:22,399 --> 00:30:24,399
minding what the community wants or

661
00:30:24,399 --> 00:30:25,919
needs

662
00:30:25,919 --> 00:30:29,679
it should be rejected for that alone

663
00:30:29,679 --> 00:30:30,720
and

664
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,840
finally it's the sole purpose of counsel

665
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:36,880
to do the people's bidding

666
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:39,520
and the people have spoken

667
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:43,520
against the against this seemingly

668
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:46,399
well it's not seemingly it's a cereticis

669
00:30:46,399 --> 00:30:50,480
unilateral wet dream of counsel in ysdc

670
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:53,039
so i demand rejection

671
00:30:53,039 --> 00:30:53,919
of

672
00:30:53,919 --> 00:30:55,760
approving the pud

673
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:57,760
and if i could end with a two-sentence

674
00:30:57,760 --> 00:30:59,840
quote

675
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:01,039
judy

676
00:31:01,039 --> 00:31:03,919
uh be quick the first man who having

677
00:31:03,919 --> 00:31:06,320
fenced in a piece of land said this is

678
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,799
mine and found people naive enough to

679
00:31:08,799 --> 00:31:10,960
believe him that man was the true

680
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:13,120
founder of civil society

681
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:15,679
from how many crimes wars murders from

682
00:31:15,679 --> 00:31:17,440
how many

683
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:20,720
and misfortunes might not anyone have

684
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:22,320
saved mankind

685
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:24,880
by pulling up those stakes and filling

686
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,919
in that ditch and crying to fellow

687
00:31:27,919 --> 00:31:30,480
humans beware of listening to this

688
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:33,279
impostor you are undone

689
00:31:33,279 --> 00:31:35,279
if you once forget that the fruits of

690
00:31:35,279 --> 00:31:37,919
the earth belong to us all

691
00:31:37,919 --> 00:31:40,880
equally and the earth's the earth itself

692
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:42,320
to no one

693
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:44,159
jean jacques rousseau

694
00:31:44,159 --> 00:31:47,039
thank you

695
00:31:47,039 --> 00:31:49,440
okay uh thank you jonphy i do want to

696
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:51,760
speak to transparency uh matthew kirk

697
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,399
did highlight that we had a citizen

698
00:31:54,399 --> 00:31:55,200
group

699
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:58,559
um and i think most people that are

700
00:31:58,559 --> 00:32:00,880
familiar with development projects know

701
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:03,120
that some negotiations do not happen in

702
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:05,279
public but we've had a lot of public

703
00:32:05,279 --> 00:32:13,350
process all right i saw lisa able next

704
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:14,880
all right um

705
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:16,799
i just had a question maybe brian you

706
00:32:16,799 --> 00:32:19,039
can address this which is how did ysdc

707
00:32:19,039 --> 00:32:20,640
get thrown under the bus with this

708
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:21,679
project

709
00:32:21,679 --> 00:32:23,919
we're not we're not at all related to it

710
00:32:23,919 --> 00:32:26,480
anyway yeah have no idea

711
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:28,559
i wanted to take just a minute to

712
00:32:28,559 --> 00:32:29,919
explain

713
00:32:29,919 --> 00:32:33,200
um what i know about groundwater in in

714
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:36,880
the area of uh of the development

715
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:38,960
in 2001 i worked for

716
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:42,480
ysi and i was the project manager of the

717
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:46,720
groundwater contamination project ysi

718
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:48,640
and

719
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:51,279
i learned some things about groundwater

720
00:32:51,279 --> 00:32:53,039
contamination and about

721
00:32:53,039 --> 00:32:55,120
soil contamination

722
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:56,960
the first thing i learned is that soil

723
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:58,880
doesn't move

724
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:01,039
uh especially when it's underneath the

725
00:33:01,039 --> 00:33:02,480
surface

726
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:04,880
and so what happens is if soil gets

727
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:06,399
contaminated

728
00:33:06,399 --> 00:33:07,279
um

729
00:33:07,279 --> 00:33:09,600
what happens to the contamination is it

730
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:12,000
moves via water

731
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:13,360
so

732
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:16,480
rain flows through the soil

733
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:20,399
water flows down until it hits something

734
00:33:20,399 --> 00:33:21,840
and then it starts to move in the

735
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:23,360
direction of ground

736
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:25,840
water

737
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:28,960
so that's how it happens everywhere in

738
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:33,519
this particular part of of the village

739
00:33:33,519 --> 00:33:37,120
that layer of rock that the groundwater

740
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:39,039
hits is generally

741
00:33:39,039 --> 00:33:40,559
10 to 20 feet

742
00:33:40,559 --> 00:33:42,399
below the surface

743
00:33:42,399 --> 00:33:43,200
uh

744
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:45,919
and that's and then below that is a is a

745
00:33:45,919 --> 00:33:48,399
limestone aquifer that's somewhere

746
00:33:48,399 --> 00:33:51,120
around uh 40 to

747
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:55,120
maybe 50 feet 30 to 50 feet down

748
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:57,919
most folks in the region who are on

749
00:33:57,919 --> 00:33:59,200
groundwater

750
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,279
get their groundwater

751
00:34:01,279 --> 00:34:03,120
their drinking water through a wealthy

752
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:05,600
drill that's in that first limestone

753
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:07,279
aquifer

754
00:34:07,279 --> 00:34:09,200
so when ysi had this contamination

755
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:10,240
project

756
00:34:10,240 --> 00:34:13,119
we drilled i don't know dozens of wells

757
00:34:13,119 --> 00:34:16,480
at various levels that shallow

758
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:18,480
intermediate and deep

759
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:20,960
to hit all the aquifers to try to figure

760
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:23,679
out where the groundwater contamination

761
00:34:23,679 --> 00:34:24,639
was

762
00:34:24,639 --> 00:34:28,399
the sources were at ysi

763
00:34:28,399 --> 00:34:30,240
and um

764
00:34:30,240 --> 00:34:33,280
and residential wells that were in this

765
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:36,639
region were also used as part of trying

766
00:34:36,639 --> 00:34:41,430
to delineate where these plumes were

767
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:42,240
um

768
00:34:42,240 --> 00:34:44,320
so i guess if

769
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:47,599
what my point is if there was a dump

770
00:34:47,599 --> 00:34:50,079
that contained anything that would have

771
00:34:50,079 --> 00:34:51,520
impacted

772
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:53,679
groundwater in terms of contaminants

773
00:34:53,679 --> 00:34:56,159
that that are drinking water standard

774
00:34:56,159 --> 00:34:58,240
issues for epa

775
00:34:58,240 --> 00:35:00,720
those contaminants would have been found

776
00:35:00,720 --> 00:35:03,280
during the 20 years that ysi was

777
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:06,720
monitoring wells and they were not

778
00:35:06,720 --> 00:35:08,560
and if there had been

779
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:10,880
say the same chemicals but in a

780
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:13,599
different quantity at that site the

781
00:35:13,599 --> 00:35:15,040
oversight

782
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:17,440
there would have been a spike in the in

783
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:19,680
the downstream wells

784
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:22,160
that would have indicated hey there's

785
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:24,560
something else going on that's not at

786
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:27,920
ysi it's between ysi and this well

787
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:30,640
and those spikes were also not found in

788
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:32,960
the groundwater wells

789
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,040
so anyway those are the couple things i

790
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:37,520
just wanted to to let you all know about

791
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:39,520
a little bit of history from 20 some

792
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:41,359
years ago

793
00:35:41,359 --> 00:35:44,320
all right thank you very much lisa um i

794
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:50,870
saw johnny dredd next

795
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:55,670
all right

796
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:57,760
can you hear me i'm unmuted can you hear

797
00:35:57,760 --> 00:35:59,440
me anybody

798
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:01,520
yeah okay okay i'm sorry to make this

799
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:03,280
quick mr house i want to say last

800
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:04,960
weekend i think it was our last village

801
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:06,240
meeting it was three minutes and now

802
00:36:06,240 --> 00:36:07,760
it's two minutes i prepared a three

803
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:09,280
minute thing so if you just give me a

804
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:11,520
second i promise no personal attacks

805
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:13,760
just i'm not anywhere else with my own

806
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:15,200
house i want to start now i want to

807
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:17,520
start by saying i got to make this quick

808
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:19,839
oh this sucks i'm a resident i'm a

809
00:36:19,839 --> 00:36:22,160
single father i'm a renter here for

810
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:24,800
nearly 15 years just this year i was

811
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:26,640
able to afford to buy a house in the

812
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:29,760
village yay when i moved to town i did

813
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:31,839
so because it was a diverse it was a

814
00:36:31,839 --> 00:36:34,000
multifarious it was a liberal community

815
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:35,520
and it was the only place that i felt

816
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:38,000
safe being a black single father raising

817
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,720
bi-racial kids my kids started at mills

818
00:36:40,720 --> 00:36:42,320
lawn and they're in uh they're in the

819
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:43,680
high school now

820
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:45,599
and when i moved here i was welcomed by

821
00:36:45,599 --> 00:36:47,520
an artistic a musical and an

822
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:49,359
intellectual community they've helped

823
00:36:49,359 --> 00:36:50,640
raise my kids and it's the same

824
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:52,560
community that times helped me pay my

825
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:54,480
village utility bills

826
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:57,599
um and the community that i knew then

827
00:36:57,599 --> 00:37:00,880
has slowly been priced out i was shocked

828
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:03,359
when i heard of this like tikitaliki

829
00:37:03,359 --> 00:37:05,440
development being presented on outskirts

830
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:07,200
of town and to be honest i was a little

831
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:08,400
embarrassed

832
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:09,760
i felt like

833
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:11,359
you guys went behind her back she

834
00:37:11,359 --> 00:37:13,839
developed it for a year and i didn't

835
00:37:13,839 --> 00:37:15,359
have any input

836
00:37:15,359 --> 00:37:17,680
and it's kind of too late i'm sorry but

837
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:19,920
it's a little too late to recommend that

838
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:21,760
we do a better job or that you guys were

839
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:23,520
surmising you could have done a better

840
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:26,079
job because you did it without our input

841
00:37:26,079 --> 00:37:28,000
and that's that's offensive to me i i

842
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:29,680
feel upset about that

843
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:32,160
so the other thing is i've been watching

844
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:33,920
the conversation develop into one that's

845
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:34,839
like

846
00:37:34,839 --> 00:37:37,440
divisive and it's overbearingly been

847
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:39,680
lost in the minutia of this like faux

848
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:42,720
immediacy or codes or environmental

849
00:37:42,720 --> 00:37:44,880
impact and i feel like this isn't an

850
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,520
instance of us looking a gift horse

851
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:49,359
in the mouth but it's more like checking

852
00:37:49,359 --> 00:37:51,440
the inside of like a trojan horse before

853
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:53,640
it comes into our city you know

854
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:54,800
[Music]

855
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:57,440
uh really quick the elephant in the room

856
00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:00,640
it seems that nobody wants to uh discuss

857
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:02,480
the opinion or the influence of mr

858
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:04,960
chappelle and i'll be honest i'm not a

859
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:06,400
friend of his i've never been to his

860
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:09,040
house i don't have his phone number okay

861
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:10,800
but i do recall him mentioning that if

862
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:12,240
he were to

863
00:38:12,240 --> 00:38:14,880
if we were to uh move forward with this

864
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:16,720
project that he would he would pull out

865
00:38:16,720 --> 00:38:18,720
of his holdings in the village and i've

866
00:38:18,720 --> 00:38:21,440
gotta ask like i've been to juke joints

867
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:23,200
i've been to summer camps we've closed

868
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:24,800
we as a village have closed off the

869
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:27,599
streets for his concerts his cultural

870
00:38:27,599 --> 00:38:29,440
infusion into this town has been

871
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:31,839
long-standing we've been international

872
00:38:31,839 --> 00:38:34,880
guests grace our village i've seen him

873
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:37,839
raise and champion our villagers

874
00:38:37,839 --> 00:38:39,200
uh

875
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:41,359
and it's not because he needs to

876
00:38:41,359 --> 00:38:43,520
it's not because he economically needs

877
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:45,040
to do this stuff

878
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:46,800
it's not something the the issues that

879
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:48,800
we've had can be just fixed by hanging a

880
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:51,839
black lives matter's flag over 68 and i

881
00:38:51,839 --> 00:38:54,240
i'd i'd be foolish to say if it wasn't

882
00:38:54,240 --> 00:38:55,920
dave's influence mr chappelle's

883
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:57,920
influence doesn't bring some villagers

884
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:00,640
or outside of towners to town uh and

885
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:02,720
from the outside like i said

886
00:39:02,720 --> 00:39:04,400
he doesn't need us

887
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:06,720
right he's here because he loves it

888
00:39:06,720 --> 00:39:09,119
but now what is it

889
00:39:09,119 --> 00:39:10,960
no it's not been it's only been two it's

890
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:12,320
only been two let me just speak for a

891
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:15,359
little more i don't ask we do have to

892
00:39:15,359 --> 00:39:17,200
move on but thank you i i think you made

893
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:18,800
uh all right i'll raise my hand if i can

894
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:20,720
come back maybe later at the end i

895
00:39:20,720 --> 00:39:22,079
appreciate it thank you very much i

896
00:39:22,079 --> 00:39:23,599
respectfully appreciate you guys thank

897
00:39:23,599 --> 00:39:24,800
you

898
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,520
okay um i

899
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:31,040
saw the mills park ballroom next and i

900
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:33,280
guess let's just be clear on

901
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:35,520
who's speaking um

902
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:36,400
so

903
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:49,190
i can go ahead and mike on

904
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:59,270
all right

905
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:02,870
okay uh

906
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:05,839
are you guys miking on

907
00:40:05,839 --> 00:40:07,119
oh i gotta

908
00:40:07,119 --> 00:40:12,150
okay we can hear you now max

909
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:13,520
you can hear us

910
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:15,359
yeah

911
00:40:15,359 --> 00:40:17,520
okay thank you please don't count that

912
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:20,000
against my two minutes

913
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:21,359
um

914
00:40:21,359 --> 00:40:23,440
first marianne there's way more than two

915
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:25,200
options there's an infinite number of

916
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:28,160
options um even what's in front of you

917
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:30,240
today there's at least four there's

918
00:40:30,240 --> 00:40:32,720
approve deny approve with conditions and

919
00:40:32,720 --> 00:40:34,640
table it that's at least four

920
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:36,800
if you deny

921
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:39,359
or table it that opens up the rest of

922
00:40:39,359 --> 00:40:40,960
the world possible

923
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:43,920
there's not just two possibilities um

924
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:45,599
i'm not in any of the groups that you

925
00:40:45,599 --> 00:40:48,079
mentioned um i'm in a group

926
00:40:48,079 --> 00:40:49,280
of one

927
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:51,680
someone who has 30 years of experience

928
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:53,599
in projects just like this who really

929
00:40:53,599 --> 00:40:55,520
knows how to read the code and who has

930
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:57,440
some other ideas i'm respected all over

931
00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:59,680
the country from ideas about this but

932
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:02,079
the door has been slammed in my face in

933
00:41:02,079 --> 00:41:03,760
yellow springs my whole town i don't

934
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:05,040
know why

935
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:07,440
i got an attorney because brian house

936
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:09,440
kept implying that i was being dishonest

937
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:11,040
with my underlying intentions that i was

938
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:12,800
spreading misinformation

939
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:15,680
i have to protect my very very valuable

940
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:18,160
reputation that's why i got an attorney

941
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:19,520
i don't want to sue anybody i don't want

942
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:21,440
to hurt anybody in this town i'm here

943
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:22,880
because i love this town i want to make

944
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:24,400
this a better place

945
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:26,560
i i've withdrawn any threat of suing

946
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:29,760
brian but i asked stop calling the

947
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:32,079
things that i say misinformation when

948
00:41:32,079 --> 00:41:33,599
you you're not going to need what that

949
00:41:33,599 --> 00:41:35,839
misinformation is if i'm wrong about

950
00:41:35,839 --> 00:41:37,599
something let me know we'll straighten

951
00:41:37,599 --> 00:41:39,599
it out

952
00:41:39,599 --> 00:41:41,839
um

953
00:41:41,839 --> 00:41:42,760
oh

954
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:44,640
[Music]

955
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:46,880
can you hear me

956
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:49,040
yes okay

957
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:50,000
so

958
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:52,000
uh

959
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:53,760
lisa i want to say i have experience

960
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:55,920
with the ysi balloon too

961
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:58,000
i grew up between ys science development

962
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:00,880
and i drank that painted water for 18

963
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:03,760
years okay i know all about it so it's

964
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:06,400
extremely offensive to me when you try

965
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:08,480
to sweep my environmental concerns under

966
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:09,599
the rugs

967
00:42:09,599 --> 00:42:12,079
there was a dump there guys let's just

968
00:42:12,079 --> 00:42:14,800
accept that fact i asked you to call mr

969
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:16,880
strewing and just ask them but no one's

970
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:18,800
taking the trouble to do that

971
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:20,160
um

972
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:21,680
for decades

973
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:23,280
our village council

974
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:25,520
has held the line they've stopped the

975
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:26,570
minutes

976
00:42:26,570 --> 00:42:27,839
[Music]

977
00:42:27,839 --> 00:42:30,000
they've stopped development in this town

978
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:32,880
why won't you

979
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:35,280
okay thanks max

980
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:41,750
um all right i saw ellis jacobs next

981
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:45,040
thanks hi um can you hear me okay here

982
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:46,240
we go yeah

983
00:42:46,240 --> 00:42:48,400
okay good uh it's always an interesting

984
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:49,839
discussion and i'm always thrilled to be

985
00:42:49,839 --> 00:42:51,359
at meetings with fellow villagers that

986
00:42:51,359 --> 00:42:53,359
have strong opinions and express them so

987
00:42:53,359 --> 00:42:54,160
well

988
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:55,839
um

989
00:42:55,839 --> 00:42:58,079
affordable housing is a critical need in

990
00:42:58,079 --> 00:43:00,240
our community and i really wish this

991
00:43:00,240 --> 00:43:01,520
proposal

992
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:05,040
in the pud had more of it

993
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:07,359
but i know the council has strongly

994
00:43:07,359 --> 00:43:08,720
supported

995
00:43:08,720 --> 00:43:10,880
initiatives for affordable housing in

996
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:12,560
this town for the last several years and

997
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:14,720
really for quite a while

998
00:43:14,720 --> 00:43:16,400
and so i would

999
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:17,599
i think it's

1000
00:43:17,599 --> 00:43:20,000
i believe that that our staff people who

1001
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,880
negotiated with uber knew that and made

1002
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:24,880
their best effort to try to come out of

1003
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:26,480
this negotiation

1004
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:27,839
with ober

1005
00:43:27,839 --> 00:43:30,560
uh with some affordable housing and they

1006
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:33,280
did get some stuff some things that i

1007
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:35,280
think would be valuable they are in fact

1008
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:37,040
valuable for our community i think

1009
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:39,200
marianne said it correctly that they

1010
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:41,680
went into the negotiations we

1011
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:44,400
went into this negotiations with way

1012
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:46,319
less leverage

1013
00:43:46,319 --> 00:43:49,040
than i wish we had than we should have

1014
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:51,040
had and in fact we got to fix it we got

1015
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:52,720
to figure out why we had so little

1016
00:43:52,720 --> 00:43:55,440
leverage and we got to fix that into the

1017
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:57,839
future

1018
00:43:57,839 --> 00:44:00,079
but i'm concerned and i've listened

1019
00:44:00,079 --> 00:44:01,359
carefully to the people that are

1020
00:44:01,359 --> 00:44:04,800
opposing this pud i'm concerned that i'm

1021
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:07,200
not hearing a viable strategy to get a

1022
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:08,960
better result

1023
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:10,640
what i'm hearing is a strategy that will

1024
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:11,760
probably

1025
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:14,640
most likely end up with us getting a

1026
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:17,440
large development of single-family only

1027
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:20,960
residents that cost a lot of money

1028
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:24,400
and so in the absence of

1029
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:25,839
something better

1030
00:44:25,839 --> 00:44:28,079
i think we need to look seriously at

1031
00:44:28,079 --> 00:44:30,319
what's on offer and we need to tell

1032
00:44:30,319 --> 00:44:32,560
ourselves that we're going to fix the

1033
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:34,720
problem that

1034
00:44:34,720 --> 00:44:36,800
resulted in us having so little leverage

1035
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:39,839
so with apologies to our avian friends

1036
00:44:39,839 --> 00:44:42,800
i'll say sometimes a burden of hand is

1037
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:46,240
better than two in the bush

1038
00:44:46,240 --> 00:44:48,640
okay thank you ellis

1039
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:55,190
all right um john hempflink

1040
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:56,240
hi

1041
00:44:56,240 --> 00:44:57,359
um

1042
00:44:57,359 --> 00:44:58,880
thank you

1043
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:01,359
uh yeah what i wanted to say was i think

1044
00:45:01,359 --> 00:45:05,359
very similar to uh what else said

1045
00:45:05,359 --> 00:45:06,720
that basically

1046
00:45:06,720 --> 00:45:07,599
um

1047
00:45:07,599 --> 00:45:09,599
clearly under the pud

1048
00:45:09,599 --> 00:45:12,160
uh the village will

1049
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:14,160
get some land um

1050
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:16,240
donated to the village um to develop

1051
00:45:16,240 --> 00:45:20,550
affordable housing on um

1052
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:26,550
and

1053
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:28,480
sorry

1054
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:30,640
i guess you know listening to what

1055
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:32,240
council has said so far you know i've

1056
00:45:32,240 --> 00:45:34,640
definitely heard um support for

1057
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:36,880
affordable housing occurring on

1058
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:39,359
um at that land so

1059
00:45:39,359 --> 00:45:41,680
um i think that that you know explains

1060
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:44,000
um some of the support on council for

1061
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:47,680
the pud application um there's and also

1062
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:49,680
i've heard um some concerns about

1063
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:51,200
gentrification occurring due to the

1064
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:52,319
development

1065
00:45:52,319 --> 00:45:54,960
and between um the pud and the parallel

1066
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:55,760
plan

1067
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:58,480
um it seems obvious that the parallel

1068
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:00,800
plan would result arguably

1069
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:02,480
proportionately more gentrification

1070
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:04,319
since you would only since it wouldn't

1071
00:46:04,319 --> 00:46:06,880
contain no affordable housing um i

1072
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:08,400
haven't heard council express any

1073
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:10,400
concern any

1074
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:12,160
sort of desire for single family housing

1075
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:14,960
over duplexes and townhouses or over a

1076
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:18,150
park or over

1077
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:21,990
the affordable housing

1078
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:23,599
and so

1079
00:46:23,599 --> 00:46:25,920
i guess that's a good reason to feel

1080
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:27,520
like

1081
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:29,280
council and maybe most the community

1082
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:30,640
actually prefers the beauty over the

1083
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:32,160
parallel plan

1084
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:33,520
um

1085
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:35,839
and if council sort of disagrees with

1086
00:46:35,839 --> 00:46:37,680
their own lawyers

1087
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:39,839
basically legal view

1088
00:46:39,839 --> 00:46:40,720
that

1089
00:46:40,720 --> 00:46:43,280
if this if the pd is rejected then the

1090
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:45,599
parallel plan um will move forward i

1091
00:46:45,599 --> 00:46:47,680
guess i just urge those council members

1092
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:50,319
to move to table to get other legal

1093
00:46:50,319 --> 00:46:52,319
advice if they doubt their own lawyer's

1094
00:46:52,319 --> 00:46:53,200
view

1095
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:55,359
although i suppose that that would only

1096
00:46:55,359 --> 00:46:56,640
just be like a

1097
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:58,960
necessary but not

1098
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:00,240
sufficient condition so i should have

1099
00:47:00,240 --> 00:47:01,359
prepared more

1100
00:47:01,359 --> 00:47:05,200
for opposing the pud um because arguably

1101
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:07,040
even with um

1102
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:08,640
more time and slightly more leverage

1103
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:09,920
it's still a little bit questionable

1104
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:11,839
whether the village really could get a

1105
00:47:11,839 --> 00:47:15,190
better plan um

1106
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:17,119
thank you

1107
00:47:17,119 --> 00:47:18,880
all right thanks john

1108
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:28,470
um amy walmsley

1109
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:31,040
okay amy i think you're on okay sorry

1110
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:31,760
i'm

1111
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:34,640
struggling apparently okay here we go

1112
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:36,319
good evening my name is amy wamsley and

1113
00:47:36,319 --> 00:47:38,000
i'm speaking as a concerned community

1114
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:39,520
member not as a member of the arts and

1115
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:40,720
culture commission or any other

1116
00:47:40,720 --> 00:47:43,040
organization in which i am affiliated i

1117
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:44,079
want to thank all of you for your

1118
00:47:44,079 --> 00:47:45,520
service to our village a village that

1119
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:47,599
prides itself on activism fighting for

1120
00:47:47,599 --> 00:47:49,280
the truth transparency equity and

1121
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:51,920
diversity unfortunately with due all due

1122
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:53,680
respect i am finding that the process in

1123
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:55,359
communication around the pud has not

1124
00:47:55,359 --> 00:47:57,440
been representative of our village the

1125
00:47:57,440 --> 00:47:59,359
faq came out almost a month after a

1126
00:47:59,359 --> 00:48:01,280
council member requested it

1127
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:03,670
um

1128
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:05,520
and uses the voice of ober and some of

1129
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:07,119
the questions are not completed for

1130
00:48:07,119 --> 00:48:08,319
example question number nine

1131
00:48:08,319 --> 00:48:10,960
specifically states side loaded garages

1132
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:13,119
are a popular feature in many of our

1133
00:48:13,119 --> 00:48:16,000
subdivisions and question number four

1134
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:17,599
was not fully answered the answer only

1135
00:48:17,599 --> 00:48:19,599
refers to the pud zoning and not the ra

1136
00:48:19,599 --> 00:48:21,839
zoning as requested from a citizen's

1137
00:48:21,839 --> 00:48:23,520
perspective how can council make an

1138
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:25,359
unbiased educated decision when the

1139
00:48:25,359 --> 00:48:28,319
requested faq by council does not give

1140
00:48:28,319 --> 00:48:31,040
the entire picture of the questions that

1141
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:32,960
are not fully answered how can villagers

1142
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:34,880
have confidence in a document that lacks

1143
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:37,359
detail and clearly appears one-sided to

1144
00:48:37,359 --> 00:48:39,760
the pud in the voice of ober question

1145
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:41,760
30's response under cluster development

1146
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:43,760
in the remaining area or open space

1147
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:46,079
needs to be large enough to have an

1148
00:48:46,079 --> 00:48:48,319
economic use or be accepted as part of

1149
00:48:48,319 --> 00:48:49,680
the park or other maintained or

1150
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:51,920
preserved open space if this site were

1151
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:53,680
clustered onto a small site the

1152
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:55,440
resulting open space would not be large

1153
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:58,000
enough for that use a clear cut nine

1154
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:00,400
acres of trees was approved nine acres

1155
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:02,240
is not only enough to be a park it is

1156
00:49:02,240 --> 00:49:04,240
what is it is what the comprehensive

1157
00:49:04,240 --> 00:49:06,480
plan actually requires with the pud of

1158
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:08,559
this size when looking at the comp plan

1159
00:49:08,559 --> 00:49:10,400
and mentions moving senior houser closer

1160
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:12,319
to the downtown area for walkability

1161
00:49:12,319 --> 00:49:13,599
accessibility

1162
00:49:13,599 --> 00:49:16,079
now we are being sold housing as

1163
00:49:16,079 --> 00:49:18,640
potential retiree housing so far out of

1164
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:20,160
town it will be on property that we

1165
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:22,480
annexed i'm generally concerned that

1166
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:24,160
there is a consideration to put the work

1167
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:25,520
that defines the village of yellow

1168
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:28,160
springs to the side for what seems to be

1169
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:31,200
mostly 1.75 acres and some playground

1170
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:33,040
equipment playground equipment that is

1171
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:34,800
being placed next to a drowning hazard

1172
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:37,520
for children which by the way approving

1173
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:39,760
with modifications could not change

1174
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:41,440
where that playground equipment is

1175
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:44,000
placed the village celebrates those

1176
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:45,599
governmental agencies accountable

1177
00:49:45,599 --> 00:49:47,040
therefore i am asking that council

1178
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:49,119
either request a postponement until you

1179
00:49:49,119 --> 00:49:51,440
receive the information that you need or

1180
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:52,640
request

1181
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:54,800
uh a request and requested or vote no

1182
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:57,200
against the pud proposal thank you

1183
00:49:57,200 --> 00:49:59,359
all right thank you amy

1184
00:49:59,359 --> 00:50:00,319
um

1185
00:50:00,319 --> 00:50:06,549
e fleck

1186
00:50:06,559 --> 00:50:09,119
hello um my name is eve fleck i live on

1187
00:50:09,119 --> 00:50:10,960
the corner of randall road and margaret

1188
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:14,079
drive i've lived here since 1987 and

1189
00:50:14,079 --> 00:50:16,079
i've been active in the village in lots

1190
00:50:16,079 --> 00:50:17,200
of ways

1191
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:20,319
the affordable housing will be directly

1192
00:50:20,319 --> 00:50:23,200
behind my house and the side of my house

1193
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:25,280
and i just want to say that i'm in favor

1194
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:27,920
of that i look over the plan i don't

1195
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:29,760
really want to see

1196
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:33,040
all giant single-family homes and i've

1197
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:35,839
also heard from some retirees

1198
00:50:35,839 --> 00:50:37,599
that they would like to have some sort

1199
00:50:37,599 --> 00:50:39,599
of condominium option which is why park

1200
00:50:39,599 --> 00:50:42,640
meadows is often very popular that they

1201
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:44,160
don't want to be shoveling snow or

1202
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:46,000
living in a four bedroom house but

1203
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:48,559
anyway i wish the poud was different i

1204
00:50:48,559 --> 00:50:50,319
wish it were better i wish it were more

1205
00:50:50,319 --> 00:50:52,240
to my liking but this is what we have

1206
00:50:52,240 --> 00:50:53,359
and in

1207
00:50:53,359 --> 00:50:54,880
that sense i'm

1208
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:56,640
i'm in favor i want to see some

1209
00:50:56,640 --> 00:51:00,470
affordable housing

1210
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:04,150
thank you

1211
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:05,359
um

1212
00:51:05,359 --> 00:51:11,430
diane chitister

1213
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:14,640
hi good to see everybody um i'm a

1214
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:17,520
40-year resident of yellow springs and

1215
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:18,720
as

1216
00:51:18,720 --> 00:51:20,640
in my previous job at the yellow springs

1217
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:22,559
news i covered a whole bunch of village

1218
00:51:22,559 --> 00:51:24,160
council meetings

1219
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:26,480
and covered things like the bow and

1220
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:28,400
housing needs study

1221
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:32,000
and i'm i'm for the pud i i hope console

1222
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:34,079
approves of it

1223
00:51:34,079 --> 00:51:36,559
my work covering console convinced me

1224
00:51:36,559 --> 00:51:38,480
that the village definitely needs more

1225
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:42,480
housing of diverse kinds diverse prices

1226
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:45,599
diverse sizes and critically needs

1227
00:51:45,599 --> 00:51:49,599
affordable housing and the pud provides

1228
00:51:49,599 --> 00:51:51,839
takes us down the road toward meeting

1229
00:51:51,839 --> 00:51:54,720
these needs it provides some of this far

1230
00:51:54,720 --> 00:51:57,119
more than residents say which only

1231
00:51:57,119 --> 00:51:58,400
provides

1232
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:01,040
one kind of housing uh big houses big

1233
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:02,079
lots

1234
00:52:02,079 --> 00:52:03,920
and my understanding is that's the only

1235
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:06,079
other option other than the pud so

1236
00:52:06,079 --> 00:52:09,280
definitely i'm i'm supporting the pud

1237
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:11,280
a lot of the opposition toward the

1238
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:13,280
project comes from neighbors and that's

1239
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:16,240
understandable neighbors have

1240
00:52:16,240 --> 00:52:18,720
have legitimate interest

1241
00:52:18,720 --> 00:52:20,720
but those interests are not the same as

1242
00:52:20,720 --> 00:52:22,240
the interests of the community as a

1243
00:52:22,240 --> 00:52:23,359
whole

1244
00:52:23,359 --> 00:52:26,400
and it seems to me that the pud does

1245
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:28,240
meet the needs the interest of the

1246
00:52:28,240 --> 00:52:29,920
community as a whole

1247
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:32,559
so i urge consul to vote for it

1248
00:52:32,559 --> 00:52:33,920
that's all

1249
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:36,240
all right thank you diane

1250
00:52:36,240 --> 00:52:40,790
um kate hamilton

1251
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:43,280
hi thanks um

1252
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:47,599
president grew up here moved away

1253
00:52:47,599 --> 00:52:50,480
came back to raise our children here

1254
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:52,319
um when we were looking for a home about

1255
00:52:52,319 --> 00:52:54,720
nine years ago we were unable to find

1256
00:52:54,720 --> 00:52:55,760
one

1257
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:58,640
so we ended up building in birch three

1258
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:00,640
which i never planned on building a

1259
00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:03,119
house i this used to be a field

1260
00:53:03,119 --> 00:53:05,359
but it was all that was available

1261
00:53:05,359 --> 00:53:07,280
basically at that point

1262
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:09,760
i remember asking my developer

1263
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:11,680
why don't you build some duplexes in the

1264
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:14,000
middle part there was this like island

1265
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:15,599
that my kids called

1266
00:53:15,599 --> 00:53:17,359
coop island because people walked their

1267
00:53:17,359 --> 00:53:19,200
dogs there and didn't clean up after it

1268
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:20,400
anyways

1269
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:23,760
um he said oh well you know we wanted to

1270
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:25,920
do that and we tried to do that

1271
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:28,559
but the neighbors were opposed to it

1272
00:53:28,559 --> 00:53:31,200
and so i recently read a news article

1273
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:32,200
back in

1274
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:34,960
2008 this happened before i had moved

1275
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:36,079
here

1276
00:53:36,079 --> 00:53:38,079
and sure enough yeah neighbors didn't

1277
00:53:38,079 --> 00:53:41,280
want it they didn't want

1278
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:42,960
that look they didn't want their

1279
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:45,280
property values to go down i do think

1280
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:47,680
that some of the neighbors speaking out

1281
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:50,480
against this

1282
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:52,400
subdivision are worried about the

1283
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:53,839
property values and they need to be

1284
00:53:53,839 --> 00:53:55,520
honest about that

1285
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:56,480
um

1286
00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:59,599
i support the pud i think we need a

1287
00:53:59,599 --> 00:54:02,640
diversity of types of housing

1288
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:03,760
and

1289
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:05,920
being a person that lives around a bunch

1290
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:07,520
of big houses

1291
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:10,079
this this doesn't represent what most of

1292
00:54:10,079 --> 00:54:12,000
our community looks like

1293
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:12,960
um

1294
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:14,640
yeah i support it

1295
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:17,119
and it's i'd rather stay a field with

1296
00:54:17,119 --> 00:54:19,280
deer frolicking and all of that you know

1297
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:21,920
and i'd like to be 35 years old again

1298
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:26,240
but this is our reality and our staff

1299
00:54:26,240 --> 00:54:28,160
and our village manager have worked

1300
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:30,880
extremely hard to make the best out of

1301
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:32,960
this situation

1302
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:34,319
thanks

1303
00:54:34,319 --> 00:54:36,000
all right thank you kate

1304
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:36,960
um

1305
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:39,520
jamie fine

1306
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:42,240
oh my god

1307
00:54:42,240 --> 00:54:44,000
hi all thank you for the opportunity to

1308
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:47,119
comment um i'm visiting briefly from

1309
00:54:47,119 --> 00:54:49,839
california my name is jamie fine i'm the

1310
00:54:49,839 --> 00:54:51,760
son of joan fine who lives on east

1311
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:54,559
limestone street where i grew up

1312
00:54:54,559 --> 00:54:57,200
i wanted to let you know that i spent

1313
00:54:57,200 --> 00:55:01,040
time playing in that land with max and i

1314
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:03,440
do recall that that was a garbage dump

1315
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:04,799
we used to collect garbage and make

1316
00:55:04,799 --> 00:55:07,280
flotation devices and max used to try to

1317
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:08,880
convince me to get on those flotation

1318
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:11,440
devices in that pond

1319
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:14,319
i think um what i'm hearing and seeing

1320
00:55:14,319 --> 00:55:15,040
is

1321
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:15,920
that

1322
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:17,920
there's a real need to slow down and

1323
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:20,160
allow for more more investigation

1324
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:22,400
further deliberation and more of this

1325
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:24,480
civic discourse that yellow springs is

1326
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:25,599
known for

1327
00:55:25,599 --> 00:55:27,280
um i um

1328
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:29,200
i do recognize there's a need for

1329
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:32,240
additional site assessment due to the

1330
00:55:32,240 --> 00:55:34,880
proximity of groundwater contamination

1331
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:36,720
the history of the site being used as a

1332
00:55:36,720 --> 00:55:39,359
dump and what i can see is an incomplete

1333
00:55:39,359 --> 00:55:41,760
evaluation of the environmental

1334
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:43,440
attributes and potential for sensitive

1335
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:44,559
habitat

1336
00:55:44,559 --> 00:55:46,160
i do want you to know that i'm a senior

1337
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:48,000
economist at environmental defense fund

1338
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:49,200
where i've worked on environmental

1339
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:52,000
policy and advocacy for over 30 years i

1340
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:54,240
took a look at the overall proposal on

1341
00:55:54,240 --> 00:55:56,880
the 366 page proposal because i was

1342
00:55:56,880 --> 00:55:58,240
particularly interested in what the

1343
00:55:58,240 --> 00:56:00,559
fiscal impacts of the proposed project

1344
00:56:00,559 --> 00:56:02,559
which adds 10 of population to the

1345
00:56:02,559 --> 00:56:04,559
community are going to be and how those

1346
00:56:04,559 --> 00:56:06,240
are going to be mitigated and i really

1347
00:56:06,240 --> 00:56:08,880
didn't find anything so uh council

1348
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:10,799
craiger i understand that's one of the

1349
00:56:10,799 --> 00:56:12,640
questions you have and with a little

1350
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:14,319
more time and more investigation i'd be

1351
00:56:14,319 --> 00:56:16,880
happy to offer my help in understanding

1352
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:18,559
those potential impacts and how we can

1353
00:56:18,559 --> 00:56:20,240
mitigate them

1354
00:56:20,240 --> 00:56:22,079
with more deliberation we can use what

1355
00:56:22,079 --> 00:56:24,799
we have as a community and that's time

1356
00:56:24,799 --> 00:56:26,160
and leverage

1357
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:27,760
we can see that leverage in the room

1358
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:30,480
today thank you very much

1359
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:32,880
okay thank you jamie

1360
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:34,559
um okay

1361
00:56:34,559 --> 00:56:41,510
uh next i see eric oberg

1362
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:43,440
thank you

1363
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:46,400
okay hold on a second um

1364
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:47,520
okay so

1365
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:49,200
uh

1366
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:51,760
watch party guys um you need to figure

1367
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:53,920
out a way to mute yourselves or i guess

1368
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:55,520
otherwise leave the meeting and come

1369
00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:56,839
back

1370
00:56:56,839 --> 00:56:59,839
um so

1371
00:56:59,839 --> 00:57:00,720
okay

1372
00:57:00,720 --> 00:57:03,359
so eric go ahead yeah i just i i wasn't

1373
00:57:03,359 --> 00:57:04,720
going to make a comment tonight but i

1374
00:57:04,720 --> 00:57:06,480
just i wanted to point out something

1375
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:08,319
that i heard that i

1376
00:57:08,319 --> 00:57:10,400
i guess i i want to hope that it's not

1377
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:12,640
what somebody meant but i heard a

1378
00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:14,559
comment from the ballroom that

1379
00:57:14,559 --> 00:57:17,359
decades of village councils have stopped

1380
00:57:17,359 --> 00:57:18,720
development

1381
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:21,040
and we hope that this council will stop

1382
00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:22,640
development too

1383
00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:24,079
i kind of want to point out that the

1384
00:57:24,079 --> 00:57:25,599
fact that we stopped development for

1385
00:57:25,599 --> 00:57:28,079
decades is why we're in the problem we

1386
00:57:28,079 --> 00:57:29,839
have with a lack of housing a lack of

1387
00:57:29,839 --> 00:57:33,040
diversity and a lack of availability so

1388
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:35,520
if that's really the stance of a large

1389
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:37,520
group of people in this town that come

1390
00:57:37,520 --> 00:57:38,880
hell or high water we want all

1391
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:40,880
development stopped i would love that to

1392
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:42,960
just be said honestly

1393
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:45,440
but i heard the statement i hope it was

1394
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:46,319
wrong

1395
00:57:46,319 --> 00:57:47,839
thank you

1396
00:57:47,839 --> 00:57:49,599
all right thanks eric

1397
00:57:49,599 --> 00:57:55,990
uh judith hemphlay

1398
00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:57,680
uh hello there

1399
00:57:57,680 --> 00:58:00,480
can you hear me brian yeah you can't yes

1400
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:03,599
okay i just want to say you know i think

1401
00:58:03,599 --> 00:58:05,599
every council member

1402
00:58:05,599 --> 00:58:10,630
ran on a platform of affordable housing

1403
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:14,559
i believe as marianne said there are two

1404
00:58:14,559 --> 00:58:16,960
choices we can have our a and i think

1405
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:19,040
that will start probably around four

1406
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:21,520
hundred thousand dollars per home

1407
00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:25,200
or we can have a pud where we will where

1408
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:27,920
the village council where the village

1409
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:28,799
will

1410
00:58:28,799 --> 00:58:30,240
be donated

1411
00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:33,920
almost two acres of land where 20 to 28

1412
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:36,559
units of affordable housing

1413
00:58:36,559 --> 00:58:39,680
can be built it will be donated for

1414
00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:41,760
affordable housing

1415
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:44,880
council members have ran on

1416
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:47,440
a support of affordable housing

1417
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:49,920
the ra will provide no affordable

1418
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:51,839
housing

1419
00:58:51,839 --> 00:58:53,839
i'm very much with ellis

1420
00:58:53,839 --> 00:58:54,960
jacobs

1421
00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:56,880
i'm very much with people who want more

1422
00:58:56,880 --> 00:59:00,549
diversity in this community

1423
00:59:00,559 --> 00:59:03,760
the affordable housing can be affordable

1424
00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:05,599
to the people that the

1425
00:59:05,599 --> 00:59:06,720
village

1426
00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:08,799
council can work

1427
00:59:08,799 --> 00:59:10,480
you know that the village council wants

1428
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:13,430
to serve you guys get to decide

1429
00:59:13,430 --> 00:59:14,640
[Music]

1430
00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:16,240
if you want it for people very low

1431
00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:17,200
income

1432
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:18,720
per the federal

1433
00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:19,520
uh

1434
00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:21,440
guidelines on affordable housing you

1435
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:23,440
know a little higher income modest

1436
00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:24,480
income

1437
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:26,319
but a lot of the affordable permanently

1438
00:59:26,319 --> 00:59:28,240
affordable housing in the village is

1439
00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:29,280
serving

1440
00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:31,280
people with low

1441
00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:33,440
to very modest income

1442
00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:37,119
i don't see how r.a gets us what i had

1443
00:59:37,119 --> 00:59:39,119
understood when i voted for several of

1444
00:59:39,119 --> 00:59:40,240
you guys

1445
00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:42,880
i don't think it it gets us affordable

1446
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:45,839
housing that you had committed to so i

1447
00:59:45,839 --> 00:59:47,119
urge you to

1448
00:59:47,119 --> 00:59:49,040
stick to your commitments

1449
00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:50,480
um

1450
00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:53,359
and please do vote for this pud

1451
00:59:53,359 --> 00:59:54,480
thank you

1452
00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:56,400
all right thank you

1453
00:59:56,400 --> 01:00:12,630
uh patrick lake

1454
01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:20,950
patrick are you uh able to mic on

1455
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:24,880
i don't really see anything okay there

1456
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:28,319
we go all right patrick

1457
01:00:28,319 --> 01:00:34,950
okay but we cannot hear you

1458
01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:36,799
it looks like he's on as an individual

1459
01:00:36,799 --> 01:00:38,319
and in the ballroom

1460
01:00:38,319 --> 01:00:40,480
oh i see okay

1461
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:41,599
all right

1462
01:00:41,599 --> 01:00:46,710
patrick try to mike on now

1463
01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:48,000
i'm gonna have a bunch of feedback can

1464
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:50,559
you unmute the ballroom so i can speak

1465
01:00:50,559 --> 01:00:53,750
their place

1466
01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:54,720
uh

1467
01:00:54,720 --> 01:01:01,349
sure uh whoever can unmute the ballroom

1468
01:01:01,359 --> 01:01:03,440
thank you

1469
01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:06,799
okay brian can you hear me we can

1470
01:01:06,799 --> 01:01:09,839
okay excellent speak right into it

1471
01:01:09,839 --> 01:01:12,319
uh council members and my fellow young

1472
01:01:12,319 --> 01:01:13,920
springers

1473
01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:15,920
our council seems trigger-ready to set a

1474
01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:17,520
dangerous precedent

1475
01:01:17,520 --> 01:01:19,760
passing this dud will begin the erosion

1476
01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:22,559
of cultural diversity and our uniqueness

1477
01:01:22,559 --> 01:01:24,640
the exact thing that has drawn and held

1478
01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:26,799
yellow springers to this place the place

1479
01:01:26,799 --> 01:01:28,240
we all love

1480
01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:30,559
are we ready to welcome panera bread

1481
01:01:30,559 --> 01:01:33,359
walmart and cracker barrel next

1482
01:01:33,359 --> 01:01:35,760
whether for or against this pud there is

1483
01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:38,079
so much that we all agree on here we

1484
01:01:38,079 --> 01:01:40,000
want to see why us grow

1485
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:41,839
we want to see increased access to

1486
01:01:41,839 --> 01:01:44,000
affordable rentals we want to see

1487
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:46,319
preservation of green natural and

1488
01:01:46,319 --> 01:01:48,640
important spaces and we want to see that

1489
01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:50,960
anything that is done here

1490
01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:53,599
meets our quirky needs and values

1491
01:01:53,599 --> 01:01:55,520
we hope the council will stand with us

1492
01:01:55,520 --> 01:01:57,760
and push back against this development

1493
01:01:57,760 --> 01:01:59,839
i'm heartened that sugar creek township

1494
01:01:59,839 --> 01:02:02,000
leaders felt empowered by their

1495
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:03,680
community's visioning documents and

1496
01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:05,599
comprehensive land use plan and

1497
01:02:05,599 --> 01:02:07,200
emboldened by the support of their

1498
01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:09,760
residents to stand up to ober and fight

1499
01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:11,680
for a development that adheres to their

1500
01:02:11,680 --> 01:02:14,640
values it's a fight that continues

1501
01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:17,440
i urge council to stand up for us

1502
01:02:17,440 --> 01:02:20,079
this does not adhere to our values and

1503
01:02:20,079 --> 01:02:21,920
if you will not listen to us i will be

1504
01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:23,599
fully supporting the referendum to

1505
01:02:23,599 --> 01:02:25,440
overturn this terrible decision for our

1506
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:26,720
community

1507
01:02:26,720 --> 01:02:28,960
more retirees and less jobs will not

1508
01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:30,720
sustain our community past the next

1509
01:02:30,720 --> 01:02:33,280
decade as jobs leave so will young

1510
01:02:33,280 --> 01:02:36,079
people eventually so will our schools

1511
01:02:36,079 --> 01:02:38,799
i don't want to see yellow springs die

1512
01:02:38,799 --> 01:02:40,799
with my parents generation

1513
01:02:40,799 --> 01:02:42,559
i'm sorry that our council lacks the

1514
01:02:42,559 --> 01:02:44,240
vision to see the significant and

1515
01:02:44,240 --> 01:02:46,400
damaging effects passing the pud would

1516
01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:48,799
have but i stand ready to overturn their

1517
01:02:48,799 --> 01:02:50,480
decision with my fellow community

1518
01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:52,480
members because i will fight to keep

1519
01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:54,960
yellow springs weird and vibrant full

1520
01:02:54,960 --> 01:02:55,920
stop

1521
01:02:55,920 --> 01:02:56,460
let's go

1522
01:02:56,460 --> 01:02:58,960
[Applause]

1523
01:02:58,960 --> 01:03:03,039
okay thank you patrick

1524
01:03:03,039 --> 01:03:05,839
next we've got um

1525
01:03:05,839 --> 01:03:15,109
matt rasca

1526
01:03:15,119 --> 01:03:17,200
i would like to pass sorry

1527
01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:18,559
okay

1528
01:03:18,559 --> 01:03:23,190
all right um

1529
01:03:23,200 --> 01:03:25,920
see okay so i don't see any hands up all

1530
01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:27,119
right so what

1531
01:03:27,119 --> 01:03:30,880
i am going to oh no here's i see dino

1532
01:03:30,880 --> 01:03:33,680
and then matthew

1533
01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:35,119
patricia brown

1534
01:03:35,119 --> 01:03:37,520
that as well all right so let's let's

1535
01:03:37,520 --> 01:03:40,400
put on dino and then we'll get to pat

1536
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:51,349
next

1537
01:03:51,359 --> 01:04:02,240
okay dino you should be able to mic on

1538
01:04:02,240 --> 01:04:05,680
okay there you go thank you

1539
01:04:05,680 --> 01:04:07,760
members of council

1540
01:04:07,760 --> 01:04:09,920
if you're going to attempt to pass

1541
01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:11,440
this beauty then for the good of the

1542
01:04:11,440 --> 01:04:13,280
village and the safety of the village

1543
01:04:13,280 --> 01:04:16,079
add the phase to study as a modification

1544
01:04:16,079 --> 01:04:18,559
with respect to the dump in the former

1545
01:04:18,559 --> 01:04:21,520
ysi plume

1546
01:04:21,520 --> 01:04:23,520
council person krieger

1547
01:04:23,520 --> 01:04:25,039
we've all read your emails saying that

1548
01:04:25,039 --> 01:04:26,960
you are fearful that oberor will pull

1549
01:04:26,960 --> 01:04:29,119
the pud if you put a

1550
01:04:29,119 --> 01:04:31,839
modification on it

1551
01:04:31,839 --> 01:04:34,160
let me be first to say ober is a big

1552
01:04:34,160 --> 01:04:36,160
company and they can make their own

1553
01:04:36,160 --> 01:04:37,839
decisions you don't need to make that

1554
01:04:37,839 --> 01:04:39,039
for them

1555
01:04:39,039 --> 01:04:41,520
ober does this for a living and a phase

1556
01:04:41,520 --> 01:04:44,960
two study is nothing new to them

1557
01:04:44,960 --> 01:04:47,520
in the same token we need our council to

1558
01:04:47,520 --> 01:04:50,559
make decisions in our best interest

1559
01:04:50,559 --> 01:04:52,559
however from your email you're voting

1560
01:04:52,559 --> 01:04:54,960
from a position of fear

1561
01:04:54,960 --> 01:04:57,200
for almost the entire last two years you

1562
01:04:57,200 --> 01:04:59,359
have not held in person council meetings

1563
01:04:59,359 --> 01:05:01,760
due to covet you did for a moment and

1564
01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:03,920
then you went back to zoom

1565
01:05:03,920 --> 01:05:05,839
and you've you've uh demanded that

1566
01:05:05,839 --> 01:05:08,400
central businesses be matched up you

1567
01:05:08,400 --> 01:05:10,000
stated it was for the safety of you and

1568
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:11,760
the villagers

1569
01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:12,799
however

1570
01:05:12,799 --> 01:05:14,799
when it comes to the uber project you're

1571
01:05:14,799 --> 01:05:16,480
looking the other way by not placing a

1572
01:05:16,480 --> 01:05:19,039
phase two study on the pud

1573
01:05:19,039 --> 01:05:20,559
you're disregarding the safety of the

1574
01:05:20,559 --> 01:05:23,280
village and its people the consistency

1575
01:05:23,280 --> 01:05:26,720
here is your inconsistency

1576
01:05:26,720 --> 01:05:28,960
operating and voting from a position of

1577
01:05:28,960 --> 01:05:32,000
fear is not good leadership rather let's

1578
01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:34,400
vote from a position of strength and put

1579
01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:36,640
our safety first by adding the phase two

1580
01:05:36,640 --> 01:05:38,079
modification

1581
01:05:38,079 --> 01:05:39,599
do the right thing for the safety of our

1582
01:05:39,599 --> 01:05:40,880
village please

1583
01:05:40,880 --> 01:05:42,400
thank you

1584
01:05:42,400 --> 01:05:44,480
okay thank you dino

1585
01:05:44,480 --> 01:05:48,829
um all right pat

1586
01:05:48,839 --> 01:05:51,359
brown no

1587
01:05:51,359 --> 01:05:54,390
hey we can hear you

1588
01:05:54,400 --> 01:05:57,200
i wanted to say a couple things one is

1589
01:05:57,200 --> 01:05:59,119
we desperately

1590
01:05:59,119 --> 01:06:00,079
need

1591
01:06:00,079 --> 01:06:03,599
housing in yellow springs

1592
01:06:03,599 --> 01:06:06,880
there are very very few lots available

1593
01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:09,119
our school system will be in trouble in

1594
01:06:09,119 --> 01:06:11,599
a few years if we do not have more

1595
01:06:11,599 --> 01:06:14,960
housing we have if we have more people

1596
01:06:14,960 --> 01:06:17,599
students coming from outside than inside

1597
01:06:17,599 --> 01:06:20,559
we will be in trouble we need housing

1598
01:06:20,559 --> 01:06:22,960
this plan with the pud

1599
01:06:22,960 --> 01:06:24,319
provides

1600
01:06:24,319 --> 01:06:26,880
both single-family homes which probably

1601
01:06:26,880 --> 01:06:29,119
will have children in them maybe seniors

1602
01:06:29,119 --> 01:06:30,079
too

1603
01:06:30,079 --> 01:06:33,920
it also provides uh the townhouses where

1604
01:06:33,920 --> 01:06:36,160
people can buy two of them and rent one

1605
01:06:36,160 --> 01:06:38,160
out if they want i know a couple people

1606
01:06:38,160 --> 01:06:40,160
would love to do that

1607
01:06:40,160 --> 01:06:42,720
uh it provides especially

1608
01:06:42,720 --> 01:06:45,920
more affordable housing which we need

1609
01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:48,480
the pued is the best plan we get and i

1610
01:06:48,480 --> 01:06:51,839
thank the village for working so hard

1611
01:06:51,839 --> 01:06:55,200
with ober to come up with a plan that is

1612
01:06:55,200 --> 01:06:57,119
going to provide us housing it's not a

1613
01:06:57,119 --> 01:06:59,839
perfect plan but what option do we have

1614
01:06:59,839 --> 01:07:02,000
a or pud

1615
01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:05,200
i say do pud we need it it's not going

1616
01:07:05,200 --> 01:07:08,319
to hurt us i live in a pud now we have

1617
01:07:08,319 --> 01:07:11,039
very expensive houses we have home ink

1618
01:07:11,039 --> 01:07:13,440
houses we have medium houses we all get

1619
01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:15,599
along and we all love each other you

1620
01:07:15,599 --> 01:07:18,640
don't have to have us segregated

1621
01:07:18,640 --> 01:07:22,079
a community that has all of this stuff

1622
01:07:22,079 --> 01:07:24,559
is much better than one that has only

1623
01:07:24,559 --> 01:07:26,160
one little part of it

1624
01:07:26,160 --> 01:07:28,960
vote for the pud please

1625
01:07:28,960 --> 01:07:30,720
okay thank you pat

1626
01:07:30,720 --> 01:07:34,400
um all right so i wanna take a minute to

1627
01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:38,240
uh clarify one thing um and just make it

1628
01:07:38,240 --> 01:07:40,799
super clear and i appreciate that lisa

1629
01:07:40,799 --> 01:07:42,880
abel brought it up the yellow springs

1630
01:07:42,880 --> 01:07:44,720
development corporation

1631
01:07:44,720 --> 01:07:48,400
has nothing to do with this project

1632
01:07:48,400 --> 01:07:51,039
that being brought up is

1633
01:07:51,039 --> 01:07:53,359
completely misinformed and so i want to

1634
01:07:53,359 --> 01:07:55,359
be really clear that

1635
01:07:55,359 --> 01:07:57,920
bringing other groups into this is not

1636
01:07:57,920 --> 01:08:00,079
appropriate and

1637
01:08:00,079 --> 01:08:02,640
second thing i'm going to say is that

1638
01:08:02,640 --> 01:08:05,200
since i was specifically called out

1639
01:08:05,200 --> 01:08:06,400
um

1640
01:08:06,400 --> 01:08:08,160
i have never said that anyone is

1641
01:08:08,160 --> 01:08:11,280
intentionally misinforming but as an

1642
01:08:11,280 --> 01:08:12,640
elected official

1643
01:08:12,640 --> 01:08:15,280
who represents this village

1644
01:08:15,280 --> 01:08:17,679
when there is information that is not

1645
01:08:17,679 --> 01:08:21,120
correct i need to call that out and um

1646
01:08:21,120 --> 01:08:22,799
that i think is is

1647
01:08:22,799 --> 01:08:25,600
my role it's council's role and i will

1648
01:08:25,600 --> 01:08:27,920
continue to do that but that should not

1649
01:08:27,920 --> 01:08:30,400
be conflated into suggesting that i'm

1650
01:08:30,400 --> 01:08:32,400
accusing anyone of doing anything

1651
01:08:32,400 --> 01:08:33,759
purposefully

1652
01:08:33,759 --> 01:08:34,560
um

1653
01:08:34,560 --> 01:08:36,719
but we can only make good decisions if

1654
01:08:36,719 --> 01:08:39,120
we have accurate information

1655
01:08:39,120 --> 01:08:40,560
all right so here's what i'm going to do

1656
01:08:40,560 --> 01:08:43,120
um i am going to give matthew kirk one

1657
01:08:43,120 --> 01:08:44,719
more minute

1658
01:08:44,719 --> 01:08:46,880
exactly i'm going to give johnny dredd

1659
01:08:46,880 --> 01:08:48,960
one more minute and then we'll figure

1660
01:08:48,960 --> 01:08:49,920
out

1661
01:08:49,920 --> 01:08:52,239
um who else is talking at the watch

1662
01:08:52,239 --> 01:08:53,279
party

1663
01:08:53,279 --> 01:08:56,239
um and then we'll start to uh

1664
01:08:56,239 --> 01:08:59,520
move towards um the decision making

1665
01:08:59,520 --> 01:09:08,470
okay so matthew kirk got one minute

1666
01:09:08,480 --> 01:09:10,960
all right we got matthew

1667
01:09:10,960 --> 01:09:17,110
we giving him the ability to mic on

1668
01:09:17,120 --> 01:09:18,839
there we go matthew go

1669
01:09:18,839 --> 01:09:22,640
ahead yeah so i want to talk about how

1670
01:09:22,640 --> 01:09:24,239
going with the aria development would

1671
01:09:24,239 --> 01:09:26,799
actually affect uh affordability in the

1672
01:09:26,799 --> 01:09:28,960
village the reality is right now there's

1673
01:09:28,960 --> 01:09:31,279
so much scarcity in the housing market

1674
01:09:31,279 --> 01:09:34,719
that every house in 150 to 250 000 price

1675
01:09:34,719 --> 01:09:37,120
range is basically getting scooped up by

1676
01:09:37,120 --> 01:09:39,199
somebody who's an all-cash buyer can

1677
01:09:39,199 --> 01:09:41,440
come in do significant improvements to

1678
01:09:41,440 --> 01:09:43,520
the house either flip it or make it into

1679
01:09:43,520 --> 01:09:44,880
their forever home

1680
01:09:44,880 --> 01:09:45,759
right

1681
01:09:45,759 --> 01:09:47,920
by making this all single family homes

1682
01:09:47,920 --> 01:09:49,600
now we're giving a new

1683
01:09:49,600 --> 01:09:51,839
brand new product those same people that

1684
01:09:51,839 --> 01:09:54,480
have the funds to come into the village

1685
01:09:54,480 --> 01:09:56,560
so hopefully this will free up

1686
01:09:56,560 --> 01:09:59,199
more of those houses in the 150 to 250

1687
01:09:59,199 --> 01:10:02,159
000 price range for people who want to

1688
01:10:02,159 --> 01:10:04,080
buy them because let's be honest there's

1689
01:10:04,080 --> 01:10:06,239
a lot of houses in yellow springs that

1690
01:10:06,239 --> 01:10:08,239
sell for a lot more than they would in

1691
01:10:08,239 --> 01:10:10,640
other communities so if we have more of

1692
01:10:10,640 --> 01:10:12,560
a modern housing stock

1693
01:10:12,560 --> 01:10:15,760
that is going to attract people who want

1694
01:10:15,760 --> 01:10:17,760
nobody wants to go through like a six

1695
01:10:17,760 --> 01:10:20,159
month to one year renovation that's not

1696
01:10:20,159 --> 01:10:21,840
like an awesome thing when you're like

1697
01:10:21,840 --> 01:10:23,600
looking to move somewhere

1698
01:10:23,600 --> 01:10:26,159
you know so i think that we're

1699
01:10:26,159 --> 01:10:28,560
underselling how much the ra development

1700
01:10:28,560 --> 01:10:30,800
actually contributes to affordability

1701
01:10:30,800 --> 01:10:32,000
thank you

1702
01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:35,120
okay thanks matthew thanks matthew

1703
01:10:35,120 --> 01:10:36,239
all right

1704
01:10:36,239 --> 01:10:37,679
johnny

1705
01:10:37,679 --> 01:10:39,679
respectfully i appreciate you guys for

1706
01:10:39,679 --> 01:10:41,679
giving me the time i just want to say

1707
01:10:41,679 --> 01:10:44,000
that uh i'm of the opinion the red pill

1708
01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:45,920
the blue pill we're offered are both not

1709
01:10:45,920 --> 01:10:48,640
great options i do feel like we've got

1710
01:10:48,640 --> 01:10:51,199
enough intelligence among the council

1711
01:10:51,199 --> 01:10:53,280
uh that that that built this plan and

1712
01:10:53,280 --> 01:10:55,520
you guys said it yourself during covid

1713
01:10:55,520 --> 01:10:57,600
you know behind closed doors without us

1714
01:10:57,600 --> 01:10:59,840
knowing i think we have enough uh uh

1715
01:10:59,840 --> 01:11:01,520
intelligence among us and among the

1716
01:11:01,520 --> 01:11:04,080
villagers that if you guys just listen

1717
01:11:04,080 --> 01:11:05,679
to what people are saying there's a lot

1718
01:11:05,679 --> 01:11:07,840
of opposition but there's not opposition

1719
01:11:07,840 --> 01:11:09,920
against the pud it's against the way

1720
01:11:09,920 --> 01:11:11,600
that it's being presented i think we can

1721
01:11:11,600 --> 01:11:13,520
do better we all know that we can do

1722
01:11:13,520 --> 01:11:15,199
better there's so much intelligence in

1723
01:11:15,199 --> 01:11:16,960
this community we can come up with a

1724
01:11:16,960 --> 01:11:18,480
better plan or something that's better

1725
01:11:18,480 --> 01:11:20,960
for all of us and and this is gonna this

1726
01:11:20,960 --> 01:11:23,679
this decision that you make tonight is

1727
01:11:23,679 --> 01:11:26,800
gonna last long beyond your council

1728
01:11:26,800 --> 01:11:27,760
seats

1729
01:11:27,760 --> 01:11:29,520
it's going to last long beyond how long

1730
01:11:29,520 --> 01:11:30,960
you guys are sitting on council it's

1731
01:11:30,960 --> 01:11:33,840
going to last generally for my kids and

1732
01:11:33,840 --> 01:11:35,040
this is something that if we can

1733
01:11:35,040 --> 01:11:36,880
champion as a village if we can all come

1734
01:11:36,880 --> 01:11:39,199
together and come up with a plan that we

1735
01:11:39,199 --> 01:11:41,280
can that we can champion as a village we

1736
01:11:41,280 --> 01:11:43,360
can all benefit from this and we can

1737
01:11:43,360 --> 01:11:45,679
make it a the best village for everybody

1738
01:11:45,679 --> 01:11:47,520
and it's and it's a place that that

1739
01:11:47,520 --> 01:11:50,080
artists and musicians and single dads

1740
01:11:50,080 --> 01:11:51,679
can afford and i don't care if it takes

1741
01:11:51,679 --> 01:11:53,920
five years to make that plan and if

1742
01:11:53,920 --> 01:11:55,920
oberer has to pay property taxes on that

1743
01:11:55,920 --> 01:11:58,159
plot of land for five years we need a

1744
01:11:58,159 --> 01:12:00,239
win here we need a win for everybody we

1745
01:12:00,239 --> 01:12:02,320
know it's not perfect right now

1746
01:12:02,320 --> 01:12:04,800
we also know we can all do better and

1747
01:12:04,800 --> 01:12:06,080
that's what we're voting on tonight

1748
01:12:06,080 --> 01:12:07,440
thank you guys so much for your time i

1749
01:12:07,440 --> 01:12:09,760
appreciate it

1750
01:12:09,760 --> 01:12:10,880
okay

1751
01:12:10,880 --> 01:12:12,400
um um

1752
01:12:12,400 --> 01:12:14,719
yes ryan i i i'm assuming that you are

1753
01:12:14,719 --> 01:12:16,960
aware of it i'm getting some emails and

1754
01:12:16,960 --> 01:12:19,760
and texts from folks at the ballroom

1755
01:12:19,760 --> 01:12:21,600
realizing that they're having some some

1756
01:12:21,600 --> 01:12:23,360
trouble so you may want to just chunk

1757
01:12:23,360 --> 01:12:26,400
down that list in one go i i believe

1758
01:12:26,400 --> 01:12:28,800
those folks do still want to speak yeah

1759
01:12:28,800 --> 01:12:32,000
that is the plan so uh we're you're

1760
01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:34,880
reading my mind okay so uh let's go

1761
01:12:34,880 --> 01:12:37,440
ahead and have the uh mills park

1762
01:12:37,440 --> 01:12:39,520
ballroom

1763
01:12:39,520 --> 01:12:44,229
mike on

1764
01:12:44,239 --> 01:12:46,159
okay yeah

1765
01:12:46,159 --> 01:12:48,400
get back to stop really okay can you can

1766
01:12:48,400 --> 01:12:51,440
you hear me i can

1767
01:12:51,440 --> 01:12:52,800
hi brian

1768
01:12:52,800 --> 01:12:54,880
kendrickillini 20-year resident of

1769
01:12:54,880 --> 01:12:56,320
yellow springs

1770
01:12:56,320 --> 01:12:57,600
ecologist

1771
01:12:57,600 --> 01:12:59,440
scientist

1772
01:12:59,440 --> 01:13:00,400
this

1773
01:13:00,400 --> 01:13:02,239
our village ordinance demands that we

1774
01:13:02,239 --> 01:13:03,760
have a better pud

1775
01:13:03,760 --> 01:13:04,719
one of the

1776
01:13:04,719 --> 01:13:06,640
uh requirements of the pud and in fact

1777
01:13:06,640 --> 01:13:08,719
what ober applied for was that it

1778
01:13:08,719 --> 01:13:09,760
preserves

1779
01:13:09,760 --> 01:13:12,239
significant environmental resources

1780
01:13:12,239 --> 01:13:13,840
marianne mcqueen said herself it doesn't

1781
01:13:13,840 --> 01:13:14,800
preserve

1782
01:13:14,800 --> 01:13:15,840
um

1783
01:13:15,840 --> 01:13:18,880
significant resources there's nine acres

1784
01:13:18,880 --> 01:13:20,320
of land they're going to clear in fact

1785
01:13:20,320 --> 01:13:22,320
they're almost going out of their way to

1786
01:13:22,320 --> 01:13:24,239
destroy what's there this is mostly

1787
01:13:24,239 --> 01:13:26,400
agricultural land yet they're finding

1788
01:13:26,400 --> 01:13:28,320
nine acres to cut down

1789
01:13:28,320 --> 01:13:30,239
it's like the one slurs coming in to try

1790
01:13:30,239 --> 01:13:33,760
to take over what make the lorax mad

1791
01:13:33,760 --> 01:13:36,080
um there's a 300 year old tree there

1792
01:13:36,080 --> 01:13:37,920
that is just right in the middle of the

1793
01:13:37,920 --> 01:13:39,520
housing area they obviously didn't look

1794
01:13:39,520 --> 01:13:41,120
at the site very much

1795
01:13:41,120 --> 01:13:43,360
um there's obviously information about a

1796
01:13:43,360 --> 01:13:45,040
dump it's not including the phase one

1797
01:13:45,040 --> 01:13:46,719
plan and the phase one environmental

1798
01:13:46,719 --> 01:13:48,800
plan clearly says we don't have all the

1799
01:13:48,800 --> 01:13:50,480
information if we get more information

1800
01:13:50,480 --> 01:13:52,480
we have to go back and do this again

1801
01:13:52,480 --> 01:13:54,239
and that dump information was not in

1802
01:13:54,239 --> 01:13:57,120
there they only asked over and stewing

1803
01:13:57,120 --> 01:13:58,719
hey are there any environmental hazards

1804
01:13:58,719 --> 01:13:59,920
and they were like nope we don't think

1805
01:13:59,920 --> 01:14:00,800
so

1806
01:14:00,800 --> 01:14:02,640
but now that we know we know that there

1807
01:14:02,640 --> 01:14:04,719
are some we have to go back and do a

1808
01:14:04,719 --> 01:14:06,719
phase two we know there were ysi

1809
01:14:06,719 --> 01:14:08,080
chemicals in the surface water there

1810
01:14:08,080 --> 01:14:10,080
that's in the report low levels but they

1811
01:14:10,080 --> 01:14:12,159
were still there so i urge you to go

1812
01:14:12,159 --> 01:14:14,080
back and come up with a better plan and

1813
01:14:14,080 --> 01:14:15,760
in fact i argue that the village

1814
01:14:15,760 --> 01:14:18,400
ordinance demands us to do a better plan

1815
01:14:18,400 --> 01:14:20,000
than what's there particularly in

1816
01:14:20,000 --> 01:14:22,080
regards to them needing to meet

1817
01:14:22,080 --> 01:14:24,800
uh preservation of significant natural

1818
01:14:24,800 --> 01:14:26,159
features which they're really not doing

1819
01:14:26,159 --> 01:14:28,719
at all thank you all right thank you

1820
01:14:28,719 --> 01:14:33,350
kendra

1821
01:14:33,360 --> 01:14:35,840
hi uh joanna schulzherman

1822
01:14:35,840 --> 01:14:38,719
um building on what kendra was saying

1823
01:14:38,719 --> 01:14:40,560
that you keep saying that there's these

1824
01:14:40,560 --> 01:14:42,880
two options when

1825
01:14:42,880 --> 01:14:45,520
the pd as currently presented is a

1826
01:14:45,520 --> 01:14:48,080
direct violation of what is stated in

1827
01:14:48,080 --> 01:14:49,840
yellow springs code of ordinances

1828
01:14:49,840 --> 01:14:52,000
chapter 1254 for planned unit

1829
01:14:52,000 --> 01:14:53,120
development

1830
01:14:53,120 --> 01:14:56,080
explicit violations of preservation of

1831
01:14:56,080 --> 01:14:58,320
significant natural features extensive

1832
01:14:58,320 --> 01:15:00,320
open space and recreational amenities

1833
01:15:00,320 --> 01:15:02,239
connectivity of open space with new or

1834
01:15:02,239 --> 01:15:03,840
existing adjacent freeway or trail

1835
01:15:03,840 --> 01:15:06,000
corridors preservation of small town

1836
01:15:06,000 --> 01:15:08,400
appeal improvements to public streets or

1837
01:15:08,400 --> 01:15:10,320
other public facilities that mitigate

1838
01:15:10,320 --> 01:15:13,280
traffic and or other development impacts

1839
01:15:13,280 --> 01:15:15,920
rezoning the area to pud will not result

1840
01:15:15,920 --> 01:15:18,080
in a significant adverse effect upon

1841
01:15:18,080 --> 01:15:21,120
nearby nearby or adjacent village lands

1842
01:15:21,120 --> 01:15:23,360
and i think the most important part

1843
01:15:23,360 --> 01:15:25,679
is that the proposed uses and design of

1844
01:15:25,679 --> 01:15:28,640
the pd shall be substantially consistent

1845
01:15:28,640 --> 01:15:30,800
with the village's adopted comprehensive

1846
01:15:30,800 --> 01:15:32,719
plan and the principles for land

1847
01:15:32,719 --> 01:15:34,880
stewardship contained in the vision

1848
01:15:34,880 --> 01:15:37,679
yellow springs in miami township so i

1849
01:15:37,679 --> 01:15:40,239
implore the village council

1850
01:15:40,239 --> 01:15:44,719
to build upon the work of whoever works

1851
01:15:44,719 --> 01:15:47,040
on this comprehensive land use plan and

1852
01:15:47,040 --> 01:15:49,520
this vision for the village so that it's

1853
01:15:49,520 --> 01:15:51,600
not in vain do you know how much time

1854
01:15:51,600 --> 01:15:53,360
you've been spending on the over thing

1855
01:15:53,360 --> 01:15:54,320
think about

1856
01:15:54,320 --> 01:15:56,960
uh previous incarnations of village

1857
01:15:56,960 --> 01:15:59,760
council members who worked night and day

1858
01:15:59,760 --> 01:16:02,320
for months years citizens involved to

1859
01:16:02,320 --> 01:16:05,040
get these on paper so we wouldn't be in

1860
01:16:05,040 --> 01:16:06,960
this situation and as a taxpaying

1861
01:16:06,960 --> 01:16:10,080
citizen i need you to stick to this

1862
01:16:10,080 --> 01:16:13,520
vision that's all i gotta say

1863
01:16:13,520 --> 01:16:15,360
okay thank you

1864
01:16:15,360 --> 01:16:17,920
um do we have anyone else

1865
01:16:17,920 --> 01:16:23,910
from mills park

1866
01:16:23,920 --> 01:16:25,679
i just can't really see you guys very

1867
01:16:25,679 --> 01:16:27,280
clearly so

1868
01:16:27,280 --> 01:16:29,120
because yeah thank you for your small

1869
01:16:29,120 --> 01:16:32,229
piece

1870
01:16:32,239 --> 01:16:34,560
so i'm kelly carr

1871
01:16:34,560 --> 01:16:36,560
um one thing that's consistently struck

1872
01:16:36,560 --> 01:16:39,199
me is that we seem to be voting yes out

1873
01:16:39,199 --> 01:16:42,560
of fear uh council seems to be uh have a

1874
01:16:42,560 --> 01:16:43,920
few people that are voting yes out of

1875
01:16:43,920 --> 01:16:45,679
here for this pud and a fear of what

1876
01:16:45,679 --> 01:16:48,560
will be lost which is donated land or a

1877
01:16:48,560 --> 01:16:50,400
place for children to play you know both

1878
01:16:50,400 --> 01:16:52,320
good things but thinking that if we make

1879
01:16:52,320 --> 01:16:54,239
a deal with the proverbial devil that we

1880
01:16:54,239 --> 01:16:55,199
will win

1881
01:16:55,199 --> 01:16:57,120
that's a metaphor that's not a personal

1882
01:16:57,120 --> 01:17:00,239
insult so by accepting the pittance that

1883
01:17:00,239 --> 01:17:02,239
oberer is offering us we're denying

1884
01:17:02,239 --> 01:17:04,320
ourselves the bounty that our village

1885
01:17:04,320 --> 01:17:07,040
actually deserves and a large group has

1886
01:17:07,040 --> 01:17:09,120
gathered here today i i guess you can't

1887
01:17:09,120 --> 01:17:11,280
see it but it's quite a few people

1888
01:17:11,280 --> 01:17:12,239
and

1889
01:17:12,239 --> 01:17:14,159
this group doesn't feel the council is

1890
01:17:14,159 --> 01:17:17,199
working for us or even listening to us

1891
01:17:17,199 --> 01:17:19,199
so i'd like to address some accusations

1892
01:17:19,199 --> 01:17:22,080
of harassment that were given today your

1893
01:17:22,080 --> 01:17:24,560
citizens are using their protected legal

1894
01:17:24,560 --> 01:17:26,640
options to attempt to get their counsel

1895
01:17:26,640 --> 01:17:30,630
to work with them

1896
01:17:30,640 --> 01:17:32,640
thank you there is a growing movement

1897
01:17:32,640 --> 01:17:35,199
that has passion and has a vision

1898
01:17:35,199 --> 01:17:36,960
and you seem to refuse to acknowledge

1899
01:17:36,960 --> 01:17:38,320
that

1900
01:17:38,320 --> 01:17:41,040
no one wants this development that's the

1901
01:17:41,040 --> 01:17:42,560
thing no one actually wants over to

1902
01:17:42,560 --> 01:17:45,040
develop this land no one does

1903
01:17:45,040 --> 01:17:47,920
you can at least demand a strict pud

1904
01:17:47,920 --> 01:17:49,920
with a thousand modifications to force a

1905
01:17:49,920 --> 01:17:52,239
developer let's be clear just wants the

1906
01:17:52,239 --> 01:17:53,199
money

1907
01:17:53,199 --> 01:17:56,080
to work within our village vision

1908
01:17:56,080 --> 01:17:59,679
you can insist on actually

1909
01:17:59,679 --> 01:18:01,760
getting for your citizens from the

1910
01:18:01,760 --> 01:18:04,080
developer what they want

1911
01:18:04,080 --> 01:18:06,400
you're not doing that there's not just

1912
01:18:06,400 --> 01:18:09,440
two options you actually have an entire

1913
01:18:09,440 --> 01:18:12,320
plethora of options that you just really

1914
01:18:12,320 --> 01:18:14,800
have blinders on and can see but we can

1915
01:18:14,800 --> 01:18:16,000
and we want you to vote now on the

1916
01:18:16,000 --> 01:18:18,320
beauty that's right

1917
01:18:18,320 --> 01:18:23,910
okay thank you kelly

1918
01:18:23,920 --> 01:18:26,640
hi there my name is jill eggleton

1919
01:18:26,640 --> 01:18:29,360
and um i want to bring to task first

1920
01:18:29,360 --> 01:18:30,800
mary and mcqueen

1921
01:18:30,800 --> 01:18:31,760
um

1922
01:18:31,760 --> 01:18:33,199
it looks like

1923
01:18:33,199 --> 01:18:35,840
you opened your comments comparing us to

1924
01:18:35,840 --> 01:18:37,600
trumpers

1925
01:18:37,600 --> 01:18:39,840
you said that

1926
01:18:39,840 --> 01:18:42,719
about 30ish percent of the country voted

1927
01:18:42,719 --> 01:18:44,719
for trump and that's about the same

1928
01:18:44,719 --> 01:18:47,199
number that is opposing

1929
01:18:47,199 --> 01:18:48,480
the pud

1930
01:18:48,480 --> 01:18:50,800
so i i kind of think that's really i'm

1931
01:18:50,800 --> 01:18:53,120
not sure where your statistical analysis

1932
01:18:53,120 --> 01:18:56,320
was in that um but the true it seems

1933
01:18:56,320 --> 01:18:58,560
that the true trumper is over

1934
01:18:58,560 --> 01:18:59,360
um

1935
01:18:59,360 --> 01:19:01,199
so i think that that's an elephant in

1936
01:19:01,199 --> 01:19:04,320
the room so i think number two

1937
01:19:04,320 --> 01:19:06,880
um is i've never met dave chappelle i

1938
01:19:06,880 --> 01:19:08,800
also don't have his number

1939
01:19:08,800 --> 01:19:10,000
um

1940
01:19:10,000 --> 01:19:16,239
however

1941
01:19:16,239 --> 01:19:17,600
since you're here i'm going to speak to

1942
01:19:17,600 --> 01:19:21,040
you i'm one of those people that i saw

1943
01:19:21,040 --> 01:19:23,360
chappelle on tv

1944
01:19:23,360 --> 01:19:26,080
oh my god and he said hey i live in a

1945
01:19:26,080 --> 01:19:28,400
place called yellow springs and it's

1946
01:19:28,400 --> 01:19:30,320
actually the bernie sanders island in

1947
01:19:30,320 --> 01:19:31,840
the middle of the trump sea

1948
01:19:31,840 --> 01:19:33,360
my partner and i looked at each other

1949
01:19:33,360 --> 01:19:38,630
and said let's go

1950
01:19:38,640 --> 01:19:40,159
and i'm here

1951
01:19:40,159 --> 01:19:42,239
and my partner who was unable to make it

1952
01:19:42,239 --> 01:19:46,320
said if chappelle is is making this a

1953
01:19:46,320 --> 01:19:48,159
bernie sanders island that sounds pretty

1954
01:19:48,159 --> 01:19:51,040
cool because of the state of our country

1955
01:19:51,040 --> 01:19:52,880
so i'm here to say

1956
01:19:52,880 --> 01:19:55,600
yes uber does own the land but we can do

1957
01:19:55,600 --> 01:19:56,800
better

1958
01:19:56,800 --> 01:19:58,000
period

1959
01:19:58,000 --> 01:19:59,440
there are many options obviously

1960
01:19:59,440 --> 01:20:01,760
everyone keeps saying it so anyway i'm

1961
01:20:01,760 --> 01:20:04,719
here to support the wonderful diverse

1962
01:20:04,719 --> 01:20:05,760
cultural

1963
01:20:05,760 --> 01:20:08,400
inclusive loving place that i've only

1964
01:20:08,400 --> 01:20:10,480
known for a few months

1965
01:20:10,480 --> 01:20:12,320
but i know about it because in days

1966
01:20:12,320 --> 01:20:13,360
that's dope

1967
01:20:13,360 --> 01:20:15,520
and i also don't know

1968
01:20:15,520 --> 01:20:16,320
why

1969
01:20:16,320 --> 01:20:18,320
i've never met bob baldwin either but

1970
01:20:18,320 --> 01:20:21,040
apparently he owns a lot of land

1971
01:20:21,040 --> 01:20:23,440
and a lot of babies

1972
01:20:23,440 --> 01:20:24,480
in the town

1973
01:20:24,480 --> 01:20:26,320
so like what's the deal with that why

1974
01:20:26,320 --> 01:20:28,239
hasn't he being called out so

1975
01:20:28,239 --> 01:20:34,950
oh no

1976
01:20:34,960 --> 01:20:36,639
counselors can you hear me

1977
01:20:36,639 --> 01:20:38,159
yes

1978
01:20:38,159 --> 01:20:40,000
um i want to address marianne mcqueen

1979
01:20:40,000 --> 01:20:42,159
first your characterization of us as

1980
01:20:42,159 --> 01:20:44,560
confused using trump tactics for saying

1981
01:20:44,560 --> 01:20:46,800
your engaged citizens are harassing you

1982
01:20:46,800 --> 01:20:48,639
as our elected officials as offensive

1983
01:20:48,639 --> 01:20:50,550
and the opposite of transparency

1984
01:20:50,550 --> 01:20:51,840
[Music]

1985
01:20:51,840 --> 01:20:53,600
second truth i want to tell there is not

1986
01:20:53,600 --> 01:20:56,080
a single affordable element in this aria

1987
01:20:56,080 --> 01:20:58,560
development or the pud according to our

1988
01:20:58,560 --> 01:21:00,960
own standards

1989
01:21:00,960 --> 01:21:03,040
josue himself admitted this

1990
01:21:03,040 --> 01:21:04,560
during meetings

1991
01:21:04,560 --> 01:21:06,719
it is disingenuous and insulting to

1992
01:21:06,719 --> 01:21:08,719
those of us who actually need affordable

1993
01:21:08,719 --> 01:21:09,920
housing

1994
01:21:09,920 --> 01:21:12,080
to call it affordable housing

1995
01:21:12,080 --> 01:21:15,199
while we're watching you do the opposite

1996
01:21:15,199 --> 01:21:17,199
this does not meet our needs in our

1997
01:21:17,199 --> 01:21:19,280
housing needs assessment what we need is

1998
01:21:19,280 --> 01:21:21,199
rental properties and entry-level

1999
01:21:21,199 --> 01:21:22,400
housing

2000
01:21:22,400 --> 01:21:24,000
it says it in the study that you keep

2001
01:21:24,000 --> 01:21:25,920
referencing but i don't think you read

2002
01:21:25,920 --> 01:21:28,159
the whole thing

2003
01:21:28,159 --> 01:21:30,159
you mentioned this is being segregated

2004
01:21:30,159 --> 01:21:32,159
we don't want this to be segregated the

2005
01:21:32,159 --> 01:21:34,400
pud is segregated by income you can see

2006
01:21:34,400 --> 01:21:36,960
it just look at them

2007
01:21:36,960 --> 01:21:38,239
number three

2008
01:21:38,239 --> 01:21:39,760
this does not meet our code or a

2009
01:21:39,760 --> 01:21:41,520
comprehensive land use plan that you

2010
01:21:41,520 --> 01:21:43,440
keep referencing that's in place to

2011
01:21:43,440 --> 01:21:45,760
protect us from people like oberer

2012
01:21:45,760 --> 01:21:48,400
please we are asking you

2013
01:21:48,400 --> 01:21:50,560
we are empowering you we are

2014
01:21:50,560 --> 01:21:53,440
begging you to use our own document to

2015
01:21:53,440 --> 01:21:56,860
protect us from predatory development

2016
01:21:56,860 --> 01:21:59,840
[Applause]

2017
01:21:59,840 --> 01:22:01,520
okay so uh

2018
01:22:01,520 --> 01:22:03,520
here's the deal

2019
01:22:03,520 --> 01:22:05,440
no i'm still talking about it okay but

2020
01:22:05,440 --> 01:22:07,440
we're not gonna have uh we're not gonna

2021
01:22:07,440 --> 01:22:10,080
have the applause or we're gonna have to

2022
01:22:10,080 --> 01:22:11,600
cut this off so

2023
01:22:11,600 --> 01:22:12,960
speak

2024
01:22:12,960 --> 01:22:15,679
let the next person speak but you can't

2025
01:22:15,679 --> 01:22:18,390
keep on having it

2026
01:22:18,400 --> 01:22:19,760
number four

2027
01:22:19,760 --> 01:22:21,600
it's better than nothing is not an

2028
01:22:21,600 --> 01:22:24,560
acceptable standard for our village

2029
01:22:24,560 --> 01:22:26,560
this is our lives it's our businesses

2030
01:22:26,560 --> 01:22:29,440
it's our history it's our future

2031
01:22:29,440 --> 01:22:31,199
it's our lives it's our history it's our

2032
01:22:31,199 --> 01:22:33,120
investment it's our future

2033
01:22:33,120 --> 01:22:35,840
it's not not as bad as it could be isn't

2034
01:22:35,840 --> 01:22:37,760
a good enough standard

2035
01:22:37,760 --> 01:22:40,000
number five this doesn't meet our needs

2036
01:22:40,000 --> 01:22:41,280
we address that

2037
01:22:41,280 --> 01:22:43,520
number six there's good development and

2038
01:22:43,520 --> 01:22:45,040
there's predatory development we're not

2039
01:22:45,040 --> 01:22:46,560
against all development we're against

2040
01:22:46,560 --> 01:22:48,080
fists though

2041
01:22:48,080 --> 01:22:50,560
two minutes and i need your name please

2042
01:22:50,560 --> 01:22:52,719
it's lindsey burke

2043
01:22:52,719 --> 01:23:06,149
okay so once again

2044
01:23:06,159 --> 01:23:07,679
okay so i

2045
01:23:07,679 --> 01:23:08,960
think that uh

2046
01:23:08,960 --> 01:23:11,199
gotta work out um just like we would not

2047
01:23:11,199 --> 01:23:13,760
be having an applause if we were in

2048
01:23:13,760 --> 01:23:14,719
person

2049
01:23:14,719 --> 01:23:16,320
we would not have people

2050
01:23:16,320 --> 01:23:18,560
shouting in the audience um we're gonna

2051
01:23:18,560 --> 01:23:21,440
have decorum in this setting as well

2052
01:23:21,440 --> 01:23:22,239
so

2053
01:23:22,239 --> 01:23:23,520
i'll come back if there's some other

2054
01:23:23,520 --> 01:23:25,199
speakers but

2055
01:23:25,199 --> 01:23:27,679
you know if we can't have that decorum

2056
01:23:27,679 --> 01:23:29,040
then um

2057
01:23:29,040 --> 01:23:31,040
we're gonna have to wrap that part up

2058
01:23:31,040 --> 01:23:34,639
all right don johnson is next

2059
01:23:34,639 --> 01:23:36,639
go for it i'll be out of here have a

2060
01:23:36,639 --> 01:23:40,950
good one

2061
01:23:40,960 --> 01:23:43,600
don i can hear me hi

2062
01:23:43,600 --> 01:23:46,320
i'm dawn johnson i'm a

2063
01:23:46,320 --> 01:23:49,120
25 year resident at least

2064
01:23:49,120 --> 01:23:50,639
i'm a city planner

2065
01:23:50,639 --> 01:23:53,520
and um i just want to let some folks

2066
01:23:53,520 --> 01:23:55,280
know

2067
01:23:55,280 --> 01:23:56,800
that

2068
01:23:56,800 --> 01:23:59,199
i hear you i understand you feel like

2069
01:23:59,199 --> 01:24:01,600
you weren't part of the process

2070
01:24:01,600 --> 01:24:03,440
many of us have been part of the process

2071
01:24:03,440 --> 01:24:05,120
for the visioning of the of the

2072
01:24:05,120 --> 01:24:07,600
comprehensive plan many of us were

2073
01:24:07,600 --> 01:24:11,120
sitting you know in the um

2074
01:24:11,120 --> 01:24:13,440
in the stakeholders meetings when we put

2075
01:24:13,440 --> 01:24:18,320
together the zoning codes um

2076
01:24:18,320 --> 01:24:20,400
so i understand what you're saying you

2077
01:24:20,400 --> 01:24:22,320
don't feel like you were part of this

2078
01:24:22,320 --> 01:24:24,880
process for this private residential

2079
01:24:24,880 --> 01:24:26,239
development when i say private it's

2080
01:24:26,239 --> 01:24:28,320
private property it's not public

2081
01:24:28,320 --> 01:24:30,960
property it's not like it's not like the

2082
01:24:30,960 --> 01:24:32,159
uh

2083
01:24:32,159 --> 01:24:34,560
for instance the cbe when it got handed

2084
01:24:34,560 --> 01:24:36,000
off to the village that was a little

2085
01:24:36,000 --> 01:24:37,760
different story that was

2086
01:24:37,760 --> 01:24:39,600
that became public land so we had a

2087
01:24:39,600 --> 01:24:41,679
different discussion with that but this

2088
01:24:41,679 --> 01:24:43,440
is private property so it goes through a

2089
01:24:43,440 --> 01:24:46,480
different process it still gets

2090
01:24:46,480 --> 01:24:49,520
the process of going through reviews

2091
01:24:49,520 --> 01:24:51,040
under pud

2092
01:24:51,040 --> 01:24:52,960
however what i need you to understand

2093
01:24:52,960 --> 01:24:55,040
this is important please listen to me

2094
01:24:55,040 --> 01:24:57,920
ballroom people because if it goes

2095
01:24:57,920 --> 01:24:59,600
straight subdivision

2096
01:24:59,600 --> 01:25:03,040
you have no say at all zero subdivision

2097
01:25:03,040 --> 01:25:05,199
review is an administrative process

2098
01:25:05,199 --> 01:25:07,280
completely it just goes through the

2099
01:25:07,280 --> 01:25:10,320
review process it gets stamped as long

2100
01:25:10,320 --> 01:25:12,800
as it checks all the boxes and then you

2101
01:25:12,800 --> 01:25:15,280
get whatever residence a they want to

2102
01:25:15,280 --> 01:25:17,440
develop so

2103
01:25:17,440 --> 01:25:20,159
understand that at least with the pud we

2104
01:25:20,159 --> 01:25:21,920
get some

2105
01:25:21,920 --> 01:25:23,840
some of what we've asked for in the

2106
01:25:23,840 --> 01:25:27,280
comprehensive plan it doesn't it doesn't

2107
01:25:27,280 --> 01:25:29,600
give us everything because it's not our

2108
01:25:29,600 --> 01:25:32,159
plan it's not our development we don't

2109
01:25:32,159 --> 01:25:34,719
own that land and i know that's really

2110
01:25:34,719 --> 01:25:36,719
hard for you to get your hands around

2111
01:25:36,719 --> 01:25:37,600
because

2112
01:25:37,600 --> 01:25:39,600
we've all played on that land my boys

2113
01:25:39,600 --> 01:25:42,000
played captured the flag on that on that

2114
01:25:42,000 --> 01:25:45,760
lot for you know for 10 years um and i

2115
01:25:45,760 --> 01:25:47,760
understand what max is saying i mean he

2116
01:25:47,760 --> 01:25:49,760
was on the other side of the creek

2117
01:25:49,760 --> 01:25:51,520
thank you judy i appreciate it but

2118
01:25:51,520 --> 01:25:53,440
please understand

2119
01:25:53,440 --> 01:25:56,800
we get a lot more with pud thank you

2120
01:25:56,800 --> 01:25:59,430
thanks don

2121
01:25:59,440 --> 01:26:01,600
okay so judy are there still people that

2122
01:26:01,600 --> 01:26:04,239
want to speak at the in the ballroom

2123
01:26:04,239 --> 01:26:06,320
there are and i have a promise that they

2124
01:26:06,320 --> 01:26:10,719
will not clap so yes okay and also

2125
01:26:10,719 --> 01:26:13,600
no shouting cheering um

2126
01:26:13,600 --> 01:26:15,520
again you know this

2127
01:26:15,520 --> 01:26:18,159
this isn't a watch party this is a

2128
01:26:18,159 --> 01:26:19,120
formal

2129
01:26:19,120 --> 01:26:20,960
council meeting

2130
01:26:20,960 --> 01:26:28,950
okay

2131
01:26:28,960 --> 01:26:33,350
are they able to mic on

2132
01:26:33,360 --> 01:26:36,800
hi this is brittany baum i am here today

2133
01:26:36,800 --> 01:26:39,840
to urge you to vote no on the pud

2134
01:26:39,840 --> 01:26:41,760
i still have a hard time figuring out

2135
01:26:41,760 --> 01:26:43,199
how this even meets the minimum

2136
01:26:43,199 --> 01:26:46,000
requirements for the pud i think the pud

2137
01:26:46,000 --> 01:26:48,159
should be truly exceptional if we're

2138
01:26:48,159 --> 01:26:50,000
choosing to bend the rules to meet these

2139
01:26:50,000 --> 01:26:51,840
requirements and i think this is

2140
01:26:51,840 --> 01:26:54,320
anything but we wouldn't all be here if

2141
01:26:54,320 --> 01:26:56,000
this was exceptional

2142
01:26:56,000 --> 01:26:58,320
i think this definitely sets a precedent

2143
01:26:58,320 --> 01:27:00,239
and we shouldn't be making decisions

2144
01:27:00,239 --> 01:27:02,159
based off of the least bad of two

2145
01:27:02,159 --> 01:27:03,280
choices

2146
01:27:03,280 --> 01:27:04,880
we should not be making strategic

2147
01:27:04,880 --> 01:27:06,400
decisions that will have long-term

2148
01:27:06,400 --> 01:27:09,120
consequences using this rationale

2149
01:27:09,120 --> 01:27:12,000
we developed a comprehensive plan to you

2150
01:27:12,000 --> 01:27:13,520
be used as a guide to help make

2151
01:27:13,520 --> 01:27:19,590
important decisions like these easier

2152
01:27:19,600 --> 01:27:22,719
we need to update our antiquated zoning

2153
01:27:22,719 --> 01:27:24,560
codes to reflect our current vision and

2154
01:27:24,560 --> 01:27:26,800
our comprehensive plan

2155
01:27:26,800 --> 01:27:28,480
sustainability is mentioned time and

2156
01:27:28,480 --> 01:27:30,480
time again referring to the ability to

2157
01:27:30,480 --> 01:27:32,719
support the needs of the present without

2158
01:27:32,719 --> 01:27:34,639
compromising future generations in the

2159
01:27:34,639 --> 01:27:36,560
areas of economic environmental and

2160
01:27:36,560 --> 01:27:38,320
human sustainability in the

2161
01:27:38,320 --> 01:27:40,560
comprehensive plan i argue that this

2162
01:27:40,560 --> 01:27:42,560
proposed pud does not meet any of our

2163
01:27:42,560 --> 01:27:44,159
strategic goals outlined in the comp

2164
01:27:44,159 --> 01:27:46,159
plan without mitigating the risk of

2165
01:27:46,159 --> 01:27:48,719
potential long-term harmful effects i

2166
01:27:48,719 --> 01:27:50,560
understand we are in a very challenging

2167
01:27:50,560 --> 01:27:51,920
time in this community and there is

2168
01:27:51,920 --> 01:27:53,760
certainly a housing shortage and

2169
01:27:53,760 --> 01:27:55,840
approving the pud might seem like it's

2170
01:27:55,840 --> 01:27:57,280
helping some of these problems in the

2171
01:27:57,280 --> 01:27:59,120
short term but i would argue that we'd

2172
01:27:59,120 --> 01:28:01,920
be doing larger damage in the long term

2173
01:28:01,920 --> 01:28:04,000
just like johnny dredd when i moved here

2174
01:28:04,000 --> 01:28:05,760
i went here six years ago and i could

2175
01:28:05,760 --> 01:28:08,080
have moved anywhere i moved three times

2176
01:28:08,080 --> 01:28:10,400
in three different states in a matter of

2177
01:28:10,400 --> 01:28:12,400
a year what brought me to yellow springs

2178
01:28:12,400 --> 01:28:14,000
was the magic and the culture of this

2179
01:28:14,000 --> 01:28:16,080
town i fell in love with this community

2180
01:28:16,080 --> 01:28:18,800
and i jumped in wholeheartedly i started

2181
01:28:18,800 --> 01:28:21,120
porch fest i'm a chamber member i'm

2182
01:28:21,120 --> 01:28:23,120
trying to save the chamber i open a

2183
01:28:23,120 --> 01:28:25,280
business in town i employ people here in

2184
01:28:25,280 --> 01:28:26,159
town

2185
01:28:26,159 --> 01:28:29,840
and what i have to say is if we become

2186
01:28:29,840 --> 01:28:31,360
more and more like the neighboring

2187
01:28:31,360 --> 01:28:34,400
communities what's going to keep me here

2188
01:28:34,400 --> 01:28:37,280
i voted for the levy i don't have kids

2189
01:28:37,280 --> 01:28:39,760
you know i care about this place what's

2190
01:28:39,760 --> 01:28:41,199
going to bring other people like me to

2191
01:28:41,199 --> 01:28:43,120
talent if we just become more and more

2192
01:28:43,120 --> 01:28:45,040
like fairborn and beaver creek

2193
01:28:45,040 --> 01:28:47,600
please do not approve this pud we can do

2194
01:28:47,600 --> 01:28:49,199
so much better together we just have to

2195
01:28:49,199 --> 01:28:51,120
work together and if we all knew about

2196
01:28:51,120 --> 01:28:52,639
this two years ago i feel like we'd have

2197
01:28:52,639 --> 01:29:08,070
a much better plan in place

2198
01:29:08,080 --> 01:29:10,719
one reason why this pud should be turned

2199
01:29:10,719 --> 01:29:13,920
down is the significant loss of tax

2200
01:29:13,920 --> 01:29:17,280
revenue to the village of approving it

2201
01:29:17,280 --> 01:29:20,159
not counting any real property taxes or

2202
01:29:20,159 --> 01:29:22,400
utility fees related to the affordable

2203
01:29:22,400 --> 01:29:23,440
units

2204
01:29:23,440 --> 01:29:26,320
over the next 10 years alone the tax

2205
01:29:26,320 --> 01:29:28,679
loss will be 213

2206
01:29:28,679 --> 01:29:32,159
630. that is extremely conservative and

2207
01:29:32,159 --> 01:29:34,719
it's based on the 40 million dollar

2208
01:29:34,719 --> 01:29:37,040
valuation that i saw in brian housha's

2209
01:29:37,040 --> 01:29:40,719
memo which i think is is what is way

2210
01:29:40,719 --> 01:29:42,719
below what the actual

2211
01:29:42,719 --> 01:29:44,000
value of

2212
01:29:44,000 --> 01:29:46,639
all single family development would be

2213
01:29:46,639 --> 01:29:49,760
i think the tax loss way outweighs what

2214
01:29:49,760 --> 01:29:51,520
the village is getting

2215
01:29:51,520 --> 01:29:55,840
it is not worth the 1.7 acres it's

2216
01:29:55,840 --> 01:29:58,320
a minuscule amount for what's happening

2217
01:29:58,320 --> 01:30:00,000
on that land

2218
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:01,840
the schools will lose about half the

2219
01:30:01,840 --> 01:30:02,960
taxes

2220
01:30:02,960 --> 01:30:04,480
the village would be better off

2221
01:30:04,480 --> 01:30:06,800
rejecting this pud

2222
01:30:06,800 --> 01:30:09,360
single family residences

2223
01:30:09,360 --> 01:30:12,719
by eight eight eight out of ten people

2224
01:30:12,719 --> 01:30:14,960
under the age of 55

2225
01:30:14,960 --> 01:30:18,239
want single family residences those are

2226
01:30:18,239 --> 01:30:21,760
families for the schools the the mix of

2227
01:30:21,760 --> 01:30:24,159
housing do not mistake diversity of

2228
01:30:24,159 --> 01:30:27,520
housing choices for diversity of people

2229
01:30:27,520 --> 01:30:29,760
i think we will get many more diverse

2230
01:30:29,760 --> 01:30:32,400
people with single families coming in

2231
01:30:32,400 --> 01:30:34,719
and bringing their kids and hopefully a

2232
01:30:34,719 --> 01:30:36,800
very diverse group of them the

2233
01:30:36,800 --> 01:30:38,560
development will not mitigate

2234
01:30:38,560 --> 01:30:40,639
gentrification

2235
01:30:40,639 --> 01:30:45,120
the price points are simply too high

2236
01:30:45,120 --> 01:30:49,199
at 250 000 which is probably the low end

2237
01:30:49,199 --> 01:30:50,400
a 20

2238
01:30:50,400 --> 01:30:51,760
down mortgage

2239
01:30:51,760 --> 01:30:53,840
is a mortgage payment a down payment of

2240
01:30:53,840 --> 01:30:56,080
50 000

2241
01:30:56,080 --> 01:30:59,040
i mean that these are not starter homes

2242
01:30:59,040 --> 01:31:02,719
so what very little we're getting for

2243
01:31:02,719 --> 01:31:04,880
afford like some land for affordable

2244
01:31:04,880 --> 01:31:07,199
housing i think what the village should

2245
01:31:07,199 --> 01:31:08,000
do

2246
01:31:08,000 --> 01:31:10,639
is take that money put it in the bank go

2247
01:31:10,639 --> 01:31:13,199
buy some infill land somewhere else and

2248
01:31:13,199 --> 01:31:15,199
build and do a pocket neighborhood or

2249
01:31:15,199 --> 01:31:16,400
affordable

2250
01:31:16,400 --> 01:31:19,440
but don't lose that tax revenue for

2251
01:31:19,440 --> 01:31:21,360
forever

2252
01:31:21,360 --> 01:31:23,440
and that's what you're doing by by doing

2253
01:31:23,440 --> 01:31:25,679
this pud thank you very much

2254
01:31:25,679 --> 01:31:27,600
i appreciate your time and all the

2255
01:31:27,600 --> 01:31:28,560
effort

2256
01:31:28,560 --> 01:31:31,280
and i do ask you to reject this pewdie

2257
01:31:31,280 --> 01:31:32,560
thank you very much

2258
01:31:32,560 --> 01:31:37,990
thanks laura

2259
01:31:38,000 --> 01:31:41,990
hello my name is justin herman

2260
01:31:42,000 --> 01:31:45,199
i am a lifetime greene county resident

2261
01:31:45,199 --> 01:31:46,480
i left

2262
01:31:46,480 --> 01:31:49,600
after the first 26 years of living here

2263
01:31:49,600 --> 01:31:51,520
in beaver creek i should say

2264
01:31:51,520 --> 01:31:53,440
for one crucial shortage and that was

2265
01:31:53,440 --> 01:31:54,400
culture

2266
01:31:54,400 --> 01:31:56,639
i don't know about environmental stuff i

2267
01:31:56,639 --> 01:31:58,639
don't know about

2268
01:31:58,639 --> 01:32:00,880
you know the inner workings of something

2269
01:32:00,880 --> 01:32:03,600
like this but i do know that

2270
01:32:03,600 --> 01:32:06,400
oftentimes it comes down to just hard

2271
01:32:06,400 --> 01:32:08,880
hard lines like you know whether it's

2272
01:32:08,880 --> 01:32:09,679
law

2273
01:32:09,679 --> 01:32:10,800
whether it's

2274
01:32:10,800 --> 01:32:11,600
um

2275
01:32:11,600 --> 01:32:12,719
you know

2276
01:32:12,719 --> 01:32:14,400
financial

2277
01:32:14,400 --> 01:32:17,040
but that's not how all things work and

2278
01:32:17,040 --> 01:32:19,199
culture is one of those things

2279
01:32:19,199 --> 01:32:20,800
there is no

2280
01:32:20,800 --> 01:32:23,040
hard line that you can do sometimes you

2281
01:32:23,040 --> 01:32:25,679
can't just be afraid and abide by what

2282
01:32:25,679 --> 01:32:27,760
that line is you have to make

2283
01:32:27,760 --> 01:32:30,080
the right choice for what's right

2284
01:32:30,080 --> 01:32:31,840
and i can tell you right now that we are

2285
01:32:31,840 --> 01:32:34,480
on the precipice and yellow springs

2286
01:32:34,480 --> 01:32:36,480
of having cultural value you cannot

2287
01:32:36,480 --> 01:32:38,960
imagine i do not know how many of you

2288
01:32:38,960 --> 01:32:40,560
have been outside of yellow springs in

2289
01:32:40,560 --> 01:32:42,639
the last few years

2290
01:32:42,639 --> 01:32:44,480
to see

2291
01:32:44,480 --> 01:32:46,560
but i just moved back

2292
01:32:46,560 --> 01:32:48,880
from oakland california

2293
01:32:48,880 --> 01:32:51,040
which was once

2294
01:32:51,040 --> 01:32:53,199
just like what you know a beautiful

2295
01:32:53,199 --> 01:32:54,560
vision of what like this is but it

2296
01:32:54,560 --> 01:32:56,320
became gentrified and it became

2297
01:32:56,320 --> 01:32:59,440
overdeveloped and now it is not that way

2298
01:32:59,440 --> 01:33:01,040
and we're at the press of this right now

2299
01:33:01,040 --> 01:33:02,239
you you

2300
01:33:02,239 --> 01:33:03,440
i know you can't see it because you

2301
01:33:03,440 --> 01:33:05,840
haven't been outside but i'm telling you

2302
01:33:05,840 --> 01:33:08,960
while covered rage while fires burn

2303
01:33:08,960 --> 01:33:10,880
i watched my friends

2304
01:33:10,880 --> 01:33:13,440
come here from oakland

2305
01:33:13,440 --> 01:33:15,760
to be a part of this culture and come

2306
01:33:15,760 --> 01:33:18,239
back with stars in their eyes

2307
01:33:18,239 --> 01:33:19,600
i saw

2308
01:33:19,600 --> 01:33:22,159
people you know i'm lucky enough to i've

2309
01:33:22,159 --> 01:33:23,600
known some of the people that dave knows

2310
01:33:23,600 --> 01:33:24,880
i don't know dave

2311
01:33:24,880 --> 01:33:25,679
but

2312
01:33:25,679 --> 01:33:26,960
they come back

2313
01:33:26,960 --> 01:33:30,560
like oh my god why did you leave

2314
01:33:30,560 --> 01:33:32,000
but you are

2315
01:33:32,000 --> 01:33:34,800
the members of the council

2316
01:33:34,800 --> 01:33:38,320
are on the precipice throwing away

2317
01:33:38,320 --> 01:33:41,120
a once in a lifetime cultural

2318
01:33:41,120 --> 01:33:44,159
moment that could last this town

2319
01:33:44,159 --> 01:33:46,320
in this village forever

2320
01:33:46,320 --> 01:33:48,239
that's two minutes over

2321
01:33:48,239 --> 01:33:57,669
assuming

2322
01:33:57,679 --> 01:33:59,120
um i heard that there are two more

2323
01:33:59,120 --> 01:34:01,600
speakers um and then we're gonna wrap up

2324
01:34:01,600 --> 01:34:07,200
citizen comment so who is next

2325
01:34:07,210 --> 01:34:09,440
[Music]

2326
01:34:09,440 --> 01:34:11,440
we have more than two speakers um hello

2327
01:34:11,440 --> 01:34:13,600
my name is rob i'm a resident of yale

2328
01:34:13,600 --> 01:34:14,719
straits

2329
01:34:14,719 --> 01:34:17,280
um i would like to acknowledge mr oberer

2330
01:34:17,280 --> 01:34:19,760
and his firm for all their success

2331
01:34:19,760 --> 01:34:21,840
so much success that they no longer need

2332
01:34:21,840 --> 01:34:24,480
to innovate to keep making money

2333
01:34:24,480 --> 01:34:26,159
i would like to acknowledge over for

2334
01:34:26,159 --> 01:34:28,480
having a golden opportunity to develop a

2335
01:34:28,480 --> 01:34:29,520
neighborhood

2336
01:34:29,520 --> 01:34:32,159
they can showcase as a model development

2337
01:34:32,159 --> 01:34:33,840
for other communities

2338
01:34:33,840 --> 01:34:36,080
yet they choose not to do so

2339
01:34:36,080 --> 01:34:38,080
i would like to acknowledge oberor for

2340
01:34:38,080 --> 01:34:40,639
all of its due diligence be illegal

2341
01:34:40,639 --> 01:34:44,400
environmental geological traffic etc

2342
01:34:44,400 --> 01:34:46,560
yet are in a position of such fortune

2343
01:34:46,560 --> 01:34:48,880
and privilege they can disregard the

2344
01:34:48,880 --> 01:34:51,840
community input part of this development

2345
01:34:51,840 --> 01:34:56,229
congratulations to you sir

2346
01:34:56,239 --> 01:34:57,679
okay

2347
01:34:57,679 --> 01:35:00,560
who is our next

2348
01:35:00,560 --> 01:35:02,320
commenter

2349
01:35:02,320 --> 01:35:04,159
the next victim

2350
01:35:04,159 --> 01:35:06,400
nancy kelly just lived here in town for

2351
01:35:06,400 --> 01:35:09,600
two years but 35 years get up closely or

2352
01:35:09,600 --> 01:35:12,560
get close on things and get taller

2353
01:35:12,560 --> 01:35:13,440
so

2354
01:35:13,440 --> 01:35:14,480
thanks

2355
01:35:14,480 --> 01:35:16,480
i just thought um i put a letter in the

2356
01:35:16,480 --> 01:35:19,040
newspaper uh this week which sort of

2357
01:35:19,040 --> 01:35:21,119
expressed my thoughts was

2358
01:35:21,119 --> 01:35:22,880
why not just leave it independent

2359
01:35:22,880 --> 01:35:25,199
housing and move on from there to what

2360
01:35:25,199 --> 01:35:27,600
might be real affordable housing

2361
01:35:27,600 --> 01:35:29,040
um and i just thought i'd bring a

2362
01:35:29,040 --> 01:35:31,040
picture of what affordable housing looks

2363
01:35:31,040 --> 01:35:31,920
like

2364
01:35:31,920 --> 01:35:33,360
can you see this

2365
01:35:33,360 --> 01:35:38,550
here i'll hold it up

2366
01:35:38,560 --> 01:35:40,320
that's a house that i that i think could

2367
01:35:40,320 --> 01:35:42,560
be framed in for oh thirty thousand

2368
01:35:42,560 --> 01:35:47,510
dollars about

2369
01:35:47,520 --> 01:35:50,480
it is what's referred to of course as a

2370
01:35:50,480 --> 01:35:52,239
tiny house

2371
01:35:52,239 --> 01:35:54,239
and if it was produced at thirty

2372
01:35:54,239 --> 01:35:55,920
thousand whether the village created

2373
01:35:55,920 --> 01:35:58,960
these houses for the for the rustic and

2374
01:35:58,960 --> 01:36:01,040
characteristic books they'd like to have

2375
01:36:01,040 --> 01:36:03,280
or whether somebody independently does

2376
01:36:03,280 --> 01:36:05,360
the inside could be finished by someone

2377
01:36:05,360 --> 01:36:08,400
30 000 is like buying a car

2378
01:36:08,400 --> 01:36:10,719
and if the village has land available

2379
01:36:10,719 --> 01:36:13,199
whether it's this pod if you do that or

2380
01:36:13,199 --> 01:36:16,159
other land which would be suitable or if

2381
01:36:16,159 --> 01:36:20,080
villagers would want to have a

2382
01:36:20,080 --> 01:36:22,320
tiny home on their property we could

2383
01:36:22,320 --> 01:36:24,880
quadruple our population i'm grateful

2384
01:36:24,880 --> 01:36:26,480
for laura putting in

2385
01:36:26,480 --> 01:36:28,400
facts and figures on what the tax

2386
01:36:28,400 --> 01:36:29,760
structure is because i think that's a

2387
01:36:29,760 --> 01:36:31,360
very big concern

2388
01:36:31,360 --> 01:36:32,320
but

2389
01:36:32,320 --> 01:36:35,280
i would be happy to be part of a team

2390
01:36:35,280 --> 01:36:37,360
to start putting together the affordable

2391
01:36:37,360 --> 01:36:38,400
housing

2392
01:36:38,400 --> 01:36:40,239
program that would bring these units

2393
01:36:40,239 --> 01:36:42,239
into the village and with the village

2394
01:36:42,239 --> 01:36:43,760
creating the

2395
01:36:43,760 --> 01:36:46,480
um legalese to put these in the

2396
01:36:46,480 --> 01:36:48,320
community it would probably be

2397
01:36:48,320 --> 01:36:50,480
international news because there's a

2398
01:36:50,480 --> 01:36:53,280
desperate need across this country for

2399
01:36:53,280 --> 01:36:55,040
meeting the problems that we're facing

2400
01:36:55,040 --> 01:36:57,520
right here in rural ohio

2401
01:36:57,520 --> 01:36:59,119
and i think that we can do ourselves a

2402
01:36:59,119 --> 01:37:01,119
lot of good by doing it right

2403
01:37:01,119 --> 01:37:04,000
um and making it available and making

2404
01:37:04,000 --> 01:37:05,679
this available for people for their

2405
01:37:05,679 --> 01:37:08,560
first home and to start a line of equity

2406
01:37:08,560 --> 01:37:10,880
and build to a point where they can and

2407
01:37:10,880 --> 01:37:13,840
that's two minutes if they want

2408
01:37:13,840 --> 01:37:16,159
but

2409
01:37:16,159 --> 01:37:17,520
okay i'm gonna

2410
01:37:17,520 --> 01:37:20,480
pause here because we've been at citizen

2411
01:37:20,480 --> 01:37:24,159
comment for uh over an hour um

2412
01:37:24,159 --> 01:37:26,320
i also feel like we're getting a little

2413
01:37:26,320 --> 01:37:30,000
bit off track on the pud and and we all

2414
01:37:30,000 --> 01:37:32,239
agree affordability is important so i

2415
01:37:32,239 --> 01:37:33,760
just want to check in with other council

2416
01:37:33,760 --> 01:37:35,679
members to see

2417
01:37:35,679 --> 01:37:37,679
um because judy told me there are seven

2418
01:37:37,679 --> 01:37:40,159
more speakers now um

2419
01:37:40,159 --> 01:37:41,040
so

2420
01:37:41,040 --> 01:37:43,440
lisa carmen marianne give me an idea of

2421
01:37:43,440 --> 01:37:45,679
what you want to do

2422
01:37:45,679 --> 01:37:48,080
i see that sarah has her hand up three

2423
01:37:48,080 --> 01:37:49,760
more speakers

2424
01:37:49,760 --> 01:37:53,679
okay is that right let's do it

2425
01:37:53,679 --> 01:37:56,719
yeah that works for me i mean honestly i

2426
01:37:56,719 --> 01:37:58,639
you know i i don't want to stop it i

2427
01:37:58,639 --> 01:38:01,119
just want to make sure that uh council

2428
01:38:01,119 --> 01:38:03,119
is getting what they need

2429
01:38:03,119 --> 01:38:06,870
okay

2430
01:38:06,880 --> 01:38:08,239
you're on

2431
01:38:08,239 --> 01:38:10,719
yes my name is sarah sinclair mens i

2432
01:38:10,719 --> 01:38:13,119
have a master's in public administration

2433
01:38:13,119 --> 01:38:15,040
and eight years of experience on a

2434
01:38:15,040 --> 01:38:16,560
planning zoning commission outside of

2435
01:38:16,560 --> 01:38:18,320
the village hill springs where i attend

2436
01:38:18,320 --> 01:38:19,920
multiple

2437
01:38:19,920 --> 01:38:23,990
regional planning and zoning trainings

2438
01:38:24,000 --> 01:38:28,880
we can do a better job with this pud

2439
01:38:28,880 --> 01:38:30,800
we do modifications tonight that are

2440
01:38:30,800 --> 01:38:32,880
backed by our comprehensive plan

2441
01:38:32,880 --> 01:38:35,280
we can require an environmental phase to

2442
01:38:35,280 --> 01:38:37,440
environmental study that actually offers

2443
01:38:37,440 --> 01:38:39,679
evidence and assures us

2444
01:38:39,679 --> 01:38:41,679
that we're safe and the people moving

2445
01:38:41,679 --> 01:38:43,520
into that development are safe instead

2446
01:38:43,520 --> 01:38:46,320
of trying to offer correlates

2447
01:38:46,320 --> 01:38:49,840
there's evidence we can get it tonight

2448
01:38:49,840 --> 01:38:51,360
and we can do a better job with our

2449
01:38:51,360 --> 01:38:53,520
local government with the transparency

2450
01:38:53,520 --> 01:38:55,600
of this process with listening and

2451
01:38:55,600 --> 01:38:56,960
implementing suggestions from your

2452
01:38:56,960 --> 01:39:00,880
constituents who put you in that office

2453
01:39:00,880 --> 01:39:02,719
and lastly we can do a better job

2454
01:39:02,719 --> 01:39:05,119
supporting our local businesses and our

2455
01:39:05,119 --> 01:39:08,080
local business owners we can respect

2456
01:39:08,080 --> 01:39:10,800
what they've given us we can trust them

2457
01:39:10,800 --> 01:39:13,199
with the future that we've put into that

2458
01:39:13,199 --> 01:39:16,000
comprehensive plan the community made

2459
01:39:16,000 --> 01:39:18,080
this comprehensive plan our local

2460
01:39:18,080 --> 01:39:19,679
business owners are trying to give us

2461
01:39:19,679 --> 01:39:21,360
what we asked for

2462
01:39:21,360 --> 01:39:23,280
it's not what o'bear is giving us and

2463
01:39:23,280 --> 01:39:26,320
it's not what you're letting happen

2464
01:39:26,320 --> 01:39:27,199
thank you

2465
01:39:27,199 --> 01:39:31,430
okay thanks sarah

2466
01:39:31,440 --> 01:39:33,920
hey catherine price i'm a resident of

2467
01:39:33,920 --> 01:39:38,159
yellow springs for 26 years

2468
01:39:38,159 --> 01:39:39,280
there's a lot of talking in the

2469
01:39:39,280 --> 01:39:42,320
background so we can't hear kathy

2470
01:39:42,320 --> 01:39:44,000
catherine price a resident of yellow

2471
01:39:44,000 --> 01:39:46,239
springs for 26 years

2472
01:39:46,239 --> 01:39:48,960
uh this pud i've written i've spoken a

2473
01:39:48,960 --> 01:39:51,600
lot about it already uh and i know you

2474
01:39:51,600 --> 01:39:53,199
didn't want repeats

2475
01:39:53,199 --> 01:39:55,600
um and you didn't want modifications to

2476
01:39:55,600 --> 01:39:57,280
be brought up because that supposedly

2477
01:39:57,280 --> 01:39:59,119
wasn't a choice where

2478
01:39:59,119 --> 01:40:01,520
the last meeting it was a choice

2479
01:40:01,520 --> 01:40:04,560
um i i believe that things do change a

2480
01:40:04,560 --> 01:40:07,119
lot so um i'd like to talk about the

2481
01:40:07,119 --> 01:40:09,560
modifications it's segregated

2482
01:40:09,560 --> 01:40:11,840
socioeconomically i do not like the look

2483
01:40:11,840 --> 01:40:14,639
of that and george ogre you were quoted

2484
01:40:14,639 --> 01:40:16,400
in a business journal

2485
01:40:16,400 --> 01:40:19,040
article from last

2486
01:40:19,040 --> 01:40:20,880
i didn't know if it was last august i

2487
01:40:20,880 --> 01:40:22,960
don't have it in front of me

2488
01:40:22,960 --> 01:40:23,679
but

2489
01:40:23,679 --> 01:40:26,000
you said you understood the sensibility

2490
01:40:26,000 --> 01:40:27,920
of yellow springs and we're going to try

2491
01:40:27,920 --> 01:40:29,600
to emulate that

2492
01:40:29,600 --> 01:40:30,480
and

2493
01:40:30,480 --> 01:40:32,880
the plan that you've developed does not

2494
01:40:32,880 --> 01:40:35,040
emulate that

2495
01:40:35,040 --> 01:40:37,360
i can't understand how you can say that

2496
01:40:37,360 --> 01:40:39,760
and then and in the same article it was

2497
01:40:39,760 --> 01:40:40,639
mentioned

2498
01:40:40,639 --> 01:40:42,880
the bowen study which

2499
01:40:42,880 --> 01:40:44,719
said we needed houses that started at

2500
01:40:44,719 --> 01:40:47,360
the price point of 150.

2501
01:40:47,360 --> 01:40:48,560
and

2502
01:40:48,560 --> 01:40:50,480
i just don't understand how that

2503
01:40:50,480 --> 01:40:51,840
information

2504
01:40:51,840 --> 01:40:54,719
was in this interview with you i really

2505
01:40:54,719 --> 01:40:55,920
it's

2506
01:40:55,920 --> 01:40:57,920
people in the business world

2507
01:40:57,920 --> 01:40:59,679
actually believe that i guess it's in

2508
01:40:59,679 --> 01:41:02,400
print um it's not happening here

2509
01:41:02,400 --> 01:41:04,960
the the three bedroom condos in your

2510
01:41:04,960 --> 01:41:08,000
brochure were listed at 389 starting at

2511
01:41:08,000 --> 01:41:09,440
389

2512
01:41:09,440 --> 01:41:12,000
and you didn't put the two-bedroom condo

2513
01:41:12,000 --> 01:41:12,880
price

2514
01:41:12,880 --> 01:41:15,840
but the three-bedroom homes it would be

2515
01:41:15,840 --> 01:41:17,360
residence a

2516
01:41:17,360 --> 01:41:19,199
start at 3 30

2517
01:41:19,199 --> 01:41:21,280
according to your brochure so there's a

2518
01:41:21,280 --> 01:41:23,199
lot of numbers that are off and then

2519
01:41:23,199 --> 01:41:25,119
later in the council video you floated

2520
01:41:25,119 --> 01:41:27,679
numbers it's all verbal so it's like

2521
01:41:27,679 --> 01:41:31,119
well oh we could do 250 or maybe 150 and

2522
01:41:31,119 --> 01:41:33,520
you know no wonder we're confused and we

2523
01:41:33,520 --> 01:41:35,920
need time to have more information we

2524
01:41:35,920 --> 01:41:38,000
need to have interaction directly with

2525
01:41:38,000 --> 01:41:39,920
you george over because

2526
01:41:39,920 --> 01:41:42,480
if you had a relationship all of us here

2527
01:41:42,480 --> 01:41:44,239
and had coffee with us you might feel

2528
01:41:44,239 --> 01:41:45,360
differently

2529
01:41:45,360 --> 01:41:48,080
and we might make some sense out of this

2530
01:41:48,080 --> 01:41:50,800
and what i believe is that a referendum

2531
01:41:50,800 --> 01:41:53,280
would really show the will of the people

2532
01:41:53,280 --> 01:41:56,320
i mean it's terrible to put this on your

2533
01:41:56,320 --> 01:41:58,320
shoulders council members because it's a

2534
01:41:58,320 --> 01:42:00,560
lot of weighty decision

2535
01:42:00,560 --> 01:42:02,560
on this plan and you should have asked

2536
01:42:02,560 --> 01:42:04,960
for referendum counties do this they

2537
01:42:04,960 --> 01:42:08,320
asked in the from the get-go oh we don't

2538
01:42:08,320 --> 01:42:10,639
want to decide this as as council

2539
01:42:10,639 --> 01:42:13,040
members let's let's have a referendum

2540
01:42:13,040 --> 01:42:18,070
and that kind of singles that matters

2541
01:42:18,080 --> 01:42:29,030
thank you

2542
01:42:29,040 --> 01:42:30,400
can you hear me

2543
01:42:30,400 --> 01:42:33,189
yes

2544
01:42:33,199 --> 01:42:36,480
hi i'm dave spell

2545
01:42:36,480 --> 01:42:38,800
i just want to say

2546
01:42:38,800 --> 01:42:40,400
and marianne i can talk to you about

2547
01:42:40,400 --> 01:42:43,199
this privately um

2548
01:42:43,199 --> 01:42:44,639
i don't know why the village council

2549
01:42:44,639 --> 01:42:46,639
will be afraid of litigation from a 24

2550
01:42:46,639 --> 01:42:49,520
million a year company while it it's out

2551
01:42:49,520 --> 01:42:52,159
the 65 million a year company

2552
01:42:52,159 --> 01:42:53,679
i cannot believe you would make me

2553
01:42:53,679 --> 01:42:54,800
audition

2554
01:42:54,800 --> 01:42:57,920
for you you look like clowns

2555
01:42:57,920 --> 01:42:59,679
i am not bluffing

2556
01:42:59,679 --> 01:43:01,760
i will take it all off the table

2557
01:43:01,760 --> 01:43:04,239
that's all thank you

2558
01:43:04,239 --> 01:43:06,159
okay

2559
01:43:06,159 --> 01:43:07,440
all right

2560
01:43:07,440 --> 01:43:08,480
so

2561
01:43:08,480 --> 01:43:11,199
um i'm gonna formally open the public

2562
01:43:11,199 --> 01:43:12,159
hearing

2563
01:43:12,159 --> 01:43:14,560
and um i want to do a little bit of fact

2564
01:43:14,560 --> 01:43:16,560
checking um

2565
01:43:16,560 --> 01:43:19,440
and then we're gonna have uh

2566
01:43:19,440 --> 01:43:21,920
denise free and a few other people uh uh

2567
01:43:21,920 --> 01:43:23,520
present and then council is going to

2568
01:43:23,520 --> 01:43:24,880
make a decision

2569
01:43:24,880 --> 01:43:25,920
um

2570
01:43:25,920 --> 01:43:28,960
so uh laura curless uh

2571
01:43:28,960 --> 01:43:31,679
did a commentary on the memo that i put

2572
01:43:31,679 --> 01:43:33,679
into the packet and she referred to that

2573
01:43:33,679 --> 01:43:34,800
earlier

2574
01:43:34,800 --> 01:43:35,600
um

2575
01:43:35,600 --> 01:43:38,000
she very factually has stated that the

2576
01:43:38,000 --> 01:43:41,199
village is going to lose 213 000 in tax

2577
01:43:41,199 --> 01:43:43,600
revenue and i want to comment on that

2578
01:43:43,600 --> 01:43:45,119
because

2579
01:43:45,119 --> 01:43:48,400
uh first of all uh and it was really odd

2580
01:43:48,400 --> 01:43:49,520
to me

2581
01:43:49,520 --> 01:43:52,320
that that was the one modification of my

2582
01:43:52,320 --> 01:43:54,400
table that laura made where she removed

2583
01:43:54,400 --> 01:43:56,320
the reference to the fact that the

2584
01:43:56,320 --> 01:43:58,960
valuation did not include the

2585
01:43:58,960 --> 01:44:01,920
24 plus affordable units

2586
01:44:01,920 --> 01:44:04,000
um and then there was a variety of back

2587
01:44:04,000 --> 01:44:05,440
and forth today but i do want to

2588
01:44:05,440 --> 01:44:06,719
highlight that

2589
01:44:06,719 --> 01:44:09,679
not only is tax revenue not a criteria

2590
01:44:09,679 --> 01:44:12,320
for making our decision about the pud

2591
01:44:12,320 --> 01:44:13,840
but also

2592
01:44:13,840 --> 01:44:15,040
um

2593
01:44:15,040 --> 01:44:16,960
no one has a crystal ball about what's

2594
01:44:16,960 --> 01:44:18,480
going to happen with property values

2595
01:44:18,480 --> 01:44:20,960
which by the way are a small part of the

2596
01:44:20,960 --> 01:44:22,719
village's revenue

2597
01:44:22,719 --> 01:44:23,920
one of the things that we have to keep

2598
01:44:23,920 --> 01:44:26,480
in mind is that um when we have a

2599
01:44:26,480 --> 01:44:28,960
diversity of homes especially affordable

2600
01:44:28,960 --> 01:44:32,159
homes that means people who want to live

2601
01:44:32,159 --> 01:44:35,520
and work here can do so um uh when we

2602
01:44:35,520 --> 01:44:37,760
talk about things like going straight

2603
01:44:37,760 --> 01:44:40,000
single family homes and uh

2604
01:44:40,000 --> 01:44:41,679
someone referred to it as kind of the

2605
01:44:41,679 --> 01:44:44,239
stepford uh development

2606
01:44:44,239 --> 01:44:46,719
then i mean that likely means that we're

2607
01:44:46,719 --> 01:44:48,560
talking about a lot of people that will

2608
01:44:48,560 --> 01:44:51,199
not be working in town and will not be

2609
01:44:51,199 --> 01:44:52,400
supporting

2610
01:44:52,400 --> 01:44:54,480
all the services directly through their

2611
01:44:54,480 --> 01:44:56,480
income tax so

2612
01:44:56,480 --> 01:44:58,159
i think that

2613
01:44:58,159 --> 01:44:59,119
for

2614
01:44:59,119 --> 01:45:01,600
laura to speak so confidently about the

2615
01:45:01,600 --> 01:45:03,920
tax revenues she doesn't know no one

2616
01:45:03,920 --> 01:45:06,159
knows all right we've got some estimates

2617
01:45:06,159 --> 01:45:07,679
honestly it's probably going to come out

2618
01:45:07,679 --> 01:45:09,040
to be the same

2619
01:45:09,040 --> 01:45:12,400
um i also want to point out it wasn't

2620
01:45:12,400 --> 01:45:14,400
raised but in her memo

2621
01:45:14,400 --> 01:45:17,040
laura points out that um

2622
01:45:17,040 --> 01:45:19,920
she thinks that there's a four to one

2623
01:45:19,920 --> 01:45:20,880
uh

2624
01:45:20,880 --> 01:45:23,520
against the pud because of the number of

2625
01:45:23,520 --> 01:45:26,080
people that have spoken at our meetings

2626
01:45:26,080 --> 01:45:28,800
or written letters she knows well and i

2627
01:45:28,800 --> 01:45:31,119
know all other council members know

2628
01:45:31,119 --> 01:45:33,600
that um the folks that come to council

2629
01:45:33,600 --> 01:45:36,560
meetings the people that write um are

2630
01:45:36,560 --> 01:45:38,159
not necessarily representing the

2631
01:45:38,159 --> 01:45:40,960
majority and we've said before it's not

2632
01:45:40,960 --> 01:45:42,400
about quantity

2633
01:45:42,400 --> 01:45:44,159
in terms of how many people speak it's

2634
01:45:44,159 --> 01:45:46,639
about quality but i think today we did

2635
01:45:46,639 --> 01:45:49,840
see a balance of a variety of comments

2636
01:45:49,840 --> 01:45:51,920
um the last thing

2637
01:45:51,920 --> 01:45:53,520
uh

2638
01:45:53,520 --> 01:45:56,080
is this reference to the idea that we

2639
01:45:56,080 --> 01:45:59,440
can deny the pud and then we can change

2640
01:45:59,440 --> 01:46:02,080
the zoning in the interim

2641
01:46:02,080 --> 01:46:05,199
and get a better property i think

2642
01:46:05,199 --> 01:46:06,719
as a lawyer

2643
01:46:06,719 --> 01:46:08,800
uh hopefully there's an understanding

2644
01:46:08,800 --> 01:46:10,320
that that is not something that is

2645
01:46:10,320 --> 01:46:12,159
viable and would certainly open up the

2646
01:46:12,159 --> 01:46:13,520
village to

2647
01:46:13,520 --> 01:46:16,880
uh exposure so i i do not see that as a

2648
01:46:16,880 --> 01:46:19,360
viable option i can't imagine that that

2649
01:46:19,360 --> 01:46:21,119
is something that we would do

2650
01:46:21,119 --> 01:46:24,159
so with that um i'd like denise swinger

2651
01:46:24,159 --> 01:46:26,080
to talk a little bit about

2652
01:46:26,080 --> 01:46:28,000
what the planning commission looked at

2653
01:46:28,000 --> 01:46:29,679
with the

2654
01:46:29,679 --> 01:46:33,440
factors of what the pud brings

2655
01:46:33,440 --> 01:46:35,600
because there's been a focus on

2656
01:46:35,600 --> 01:46:37,280
three factors

2657
01:46:37,280 --> 01:46:38,880
they are not necessarily the three

2658
01:46:38,880 --> 01:46:40,719
factors that

2659
01:46:40,719 --> 01:46:42,880
the uh planning commission decided on

2660
01:46:42,880 --> 01:46:44,880
for those that read the minutes and

2661
01:46:44,880 --> 01:46:46,960
watch the meeting

2662
01:46:46,960 --> 01:46:49,280
what was concluded is that at least

2663
01:46:49,280 --> 01:46:53,199
three factors uh were met

2664
01:46:53,199 --> 01:46:55,600
denise talks about five and denise if

2665
01:46:55,600 --> 01:46:57,119
you'd like to just kind of briefly

2666
01:46:57,119 --> 01:46:58,800
highlight that and then we're going to

2667
01:46:58,800 --> 01:47:00,159
talk a little bit about some of the

2668
01:47:00,159 --> 01:47:01,600
other legal

2669
01:47:01,600 --> 01:47:02,960
uh issues

2670
01:47:02,960 --> 01:47:04,960
uh brian i don't actually have that

2671
01:47:04,960 --> 01:47:06,400
document in front of me right now but

2672
01:47:06,400 --> 01:47:08,560
the factors they had to meet at least

2673
01:47:08,560 --> 01:47:11,119
three benefits out of eight

2674
01:47:11,119 --> 01:47:13,040
as i recall um

2675
01:47:13,040 --> 01:47:16,320
one of those was a mix of housing types

2676
01:47:16,320 --> 01:47:19,920
which this has um one was connectivity

2677
01:47:19,920 --> 01:47:21,920
within the development and to other

2678
01:47:21,920 --> 01:47:23,600
surrounding properties

2679
01:47:23,600 --> 01:47:29,750
and let's see they also had

2680
01:47:29,760 --> 01:47:31,199
one

2681
01:47:31,199 --> 01:47:34,000
about the open space they they more than

2682
01:47:34,000 --> 01:47:36,560
met the open space requirement which was

2683
01:47:36,560 --> 01:47:38,000
only 15

2684
01:47:38,000 --> 01:47:40,320
of open space um and they were at a

2685
01:47:40,320 --> 01:47:42,080
little bit less than

2686
01:47:42,080 --> 01:47:44,719
23 percent

2687
01:47:44,719 --> 01:47:47,199
i think um

2688
01:47:47,199 --> 01:47:49,280
reiterating actually what don johnson

2689
01:47:49,280 --> 01:47:50,480
said

2690
01:47:50,480 --> 01:47:52,080
you know

2691
01:47:52,080 --> 01:47:54,080
we have these choices i i feel we have

2692
01:47:54,080 --> 01:47:56,159
three choices

2693
01:47:56,159 --> 01:47:57,119
we have

2694
01:47:57,119 --> 01:47:58,400
the pud

2695
01:47:58,400 --> 01:48:00,880
we have residential a

2696
01:48:00,880 --> 01:48:01,920
or

2697
01:48:01,920 --> 01:48:03,679
we as a community

2698
01:48:03,679 --> 01:48:05,679
makes an offer to ober

2699
01:48:05,679 --> 01:48:08,960
to buy buy it from them you know what

2700
01:48:08,960 --> 01:48:10,719
what that price would be i don't know

2701
01:48:10,719 --> 01:48:12,320
but i mean that's the only other option

2702
01:48:12,320 --> 01:48:15,440
i see are those three and i don't know

2703
01:48:15,440 --> 01:48:18,400
that the community has

2704
01:48:18,400 --> 01:48:21,199
approached over i have anybody within

2705
01:48:21,199 --> 01:48:23,600
the community has approached over

2706
01:48:23,600 --> 01:48:24,400
to

2707
01:48:24,400 --> 01:48:25,920
buy it from them

2708
01:48:25,920 --> 01:48:27,760
i have i don't have any information on

2709
01:48:27,760 --> 01:48:30,960
that um so we as staff only can deal

2710
01:48:30,960 --> 01:48:33,360
with the code that we would that we have

2711
01:48:33,360 --> 01:48:35,679
and we um

2712
01:48:35,679 --> 01:48:37,920
when we first met with ober what ober

2713
01:48:37,920 --> 01:48:40,639
proposed was

2714
01:48:40,639 --> 01:48:43,440
following the miami townships code for

2715
01:48:43,440 --> 01:48:45,440
the 30 acres that are in the township

2716
01:48:45,440 --> 01:48:47,440
they were going to do

2717
01:48:47,440 --> 01:48:50,639
large lots 10 000 square foot or more

2718
01:48:50,639 --> 01:48:52,800
and larger homes and then on the portion

2719
01:48:52,800 --> 01:48:54,480
that was in the village they were going

2720
01:48:54,480 --> 01:48:56,400
to do single family homes and they were

2721
01:48:56,400 --> 01:48:59,040
going to follow our our 7 500 square

2722
01:48:59,040 --> 01:49:01,199
foot requirement

2723
01:49:01,199 --> 01:49:02,719
and that was going to be it i mean they

2724
01:49:02,719 --> 01:49:04,719
really approached us with single family

2725
01:49:04,719 --> 01:49:06,719
a major subdivision

2726
01:49:06,719 --> 01:49:10,239
and and we as staff said what about the

2727
01:49:10,239 --> 01:49:12,719
pud because with the pud there's more

2728
01:49:12,719 --> 01:49:14,639
flexibility we could get some of some of

2729
01:49:14,639 --> 01:49:16,000
the other things that the community

2730
01:49:16,000 --> 01:49:18,320
values that is the affordable housing

2731
01:49:18,320 --> 01:49:20,639
component however that was going to turn

2732
01:49:20,639 --> 01:49:23,040
out we never promoted it as an

2733
01:49:23,040 --> 01:49:24,800
affordable housing project we knew it

2734
01:49:24,800 --> 01:49:26,800
wasn't going to be that

2735
01:49:26,800 --> 01:49:28,400
the connectivity

2736
01:49:28,400 --> 01:49:30,560
the constructed wetlands for the low

2737
01:49:30,560 --> 01:49:32,159
impact development

2738
01:49:32,159 --> 01:49:34,800
um the in the variety of housing types

2739
01:49:34,800 --> 01:49:37,760
so i mean that was what we had

2740
01:49:37,760 --> 01:49:41,119
through the pud that we could work with

2741
01:49:41,119 --> 01:49:44,159
and that's pretty much it

2742
01:49:44,159 --> 01:49:45,920
all right thanks denise

2743
01:49:45,920 --> 01:49:46,719
um

2744
01:49:46,719 --> 01:49:49,760
so i i wanted brianne to respond to uh

2745
01:49:49,760 --> 01:49:51,440
there was some other some other

2746
01:49:51,440 --> 01:49:53,440
documents that we got um that were a

2747
01:49:53,440 --> 01:49:54,960
little bit confusing

2748
01:49:54,960 --> 01:49:56,880
um but i think it relates to this idea

2749
01:49:56,880 --> 01:49:59,920
of making a decision out of fear and i

2750
01:49:59,920 --> 01:50:02,400
can definitely confirm that um

2751
01:50:02,400 --> 01:50:07,040
i'm not there at all uh i am focused on

2752
01:50:07,040 --> 01:50:09,599
our decision criteria which is around

2753
01:50:09,599 --> 01:50:11,119
the pud

2754
01:50:11,119 --> 01:50:12,639
and um

2755
01:50:12,639 --> 01:50:13,760
you know i think one of the things that

2756
01:50:13,760 --> 01:50:16,239
can often be intimidating is when

2757
01:50:16,239 --> 01:50:19,040
legal action is threatened especially

2758
01:50:19,040 --> 01:50:20,960
for folks that don't have a legal

2759
01:50:20,960 --> 01:50:22,719
background um

2760
01:50:22,719 --> 01:50:24,560
it can be intimidating

2761
01:50:24,560 --> 01:50:27,920
and um we received a memo

2762
01:50:27,920 --> 01:50:30,719
it was actually dated february 1st 2020

2763
01:50:30,719 --> 01:50:33,840
but i assume that it wasn't done two

2764
01:50:33,840 --> 01:50:36,960
years ago from um i assumed it was a law

2765
01:50:36,960 --> 01:50:39,280
firm but i've been told that maybe it's

2766
01:50:39,280 --> 01:50:41,199
a group of consultants

2767
01:50:41,199 --> 01:50:43,840
about uh and from california

2768
01:50:43,840 --> 01:50:49,040
uh analyzing um our code and uh

2769
01:50:49,040 --> 01:50:53,119
throwing around the use of spot zoning

2770
01:50:53,119 --> 01:50:55,440
and also talking about

2771
01:50:55,440 --> 01:50:59,520
this idea of placing the homes away from

2772
01:50:59,520 --> 01:51:00,960
the core

2773
01:51:00,960 --> 01:51:03,119
of yellow springs

2774
01:51:03,119 --> 01:51:06,560
now i can accept that a california firm

2775
01:51:06,560 --> 01:51:09,199
or consultancy would not understand the

2776
01:51:09,199 --> 01:51:11,679
scale of yellow springs and so you know

2777
01:51:11,679 --> 01:51:14,880
this idea of there being a really strong

2778
01:51:14,880 --> 01:51:18,320
argument around the placement of homes a

2779
01:51:18,320 --> 01:51:20,480
couple hundred yards further away from

2780
01:51:20,480 --> 01:51:21,679
downtown

2781
01:51:21,679 --> 01:51:22,719
um

2782
01:51:22,719 --> 01:51:24,800
i don't see how there could really be a

2783
01:51:24,800 --> 01:51:26,800
a strong legal argument there and so i

2784
01:51:26,800 --> 01:51:27,599
was

2785
01:51:27,599 --> 01:51:29,760
kind of surprised that a dayton lawyer

2786
01:51:29,760 --> 01:51:32,239
um would support that argument as well

2787
01:51:32,239 --> 01:51:34,400
um but i guess i wanted

2788
01:51:34,400 --> 01:51:37,920
brienne to clarify this spot zoning

2789
01:51:37,920 --> 01:51:40,080
thing because um

2790
01:51:40,080 --> 01:51:42,400
it seems like a pretty uh strong

2791
01:51:42,400 --> 01:51:43,679
accusation

2792
01:51:43,679 --> 01:51:45,920
to be making in relation to the pud that

2793
01:51:45,920 --> 01:51:47,679
we're talking about tonight so brienne

2794
01:51:47,679 --> 01:51:49,760
if you can just kind of speak to

2795
01:51:49,760 --> 01:51:50,719
some of the

2796
01:51:50,719 --> 01:51:52,159
the legal

2797
01:51:52,159 --> 01:51:54,639
actions that have been brought up

2798
01:51:54,639 --> 01:51:55,840
sure brian

2799
01:51:55,840 --> 01:51:58,239
so for everyone who's got a law degree

2800
01:51:58,239 --> 01:51:59,440
or doesn't

2801
01:51:59,440 --> 01:52:01,520
and i'm including the california

2802
01:52:01,520 --> 01:52:03,520
consultant in that

2803
01:52:03,520 --> 01:52:06,159
i am sure that california consultant is

2804
01:52:06,159 --> 01:52:07,679
not familiar with the case of voice

2805
01:52:07,679 --> 01:52:09,679
versus village of ottawa hills which

2806
01:52:09,679 --> 01:52:11,760
basically says the property owner has an

2807
01:52:11,760 --> 01:52:13,840
expectation interest

2808
01:52:13,840 --> 01:52:15,679
in the current zoning

2809
01:52:15,679 --> 01:52:16,880
so

2810
01:52:16,880 --> 01:52:18,960
um this idea that

2811
01:52:18,960 --> 01:52:21,440
as brian said is floating around out

2812
01:52:21,440 --> 01:52:24,159
there that council can deny the pud

2813
01:52:24,159 --> 01:52:26,480
and then somehow get zoning changed from

2814
01:52:26,480 --> 01:52:28,400
ra without the consent of the property

2815
01:52:28,400 --> 01:52:29,679
owner

2816
01:52:29,679 --> 01:52:32,239
is not going to move forward the ohio

2817
01:52:32,239 --> 01:52:34,080
supreme court has ruled and put that to

2818
01:52:34,080 --> 01:52:36,000
bed in voice versus village of ottawa

2819
01:52:36,000 --> 01:52:38,880
hills that was back in 2014

2820
01:52:38,880 --> 01:52:41,280
now as to the issue of spot zoning our

2821
01:52:41,280 --> 01:52:43,840
code is

2822
01:52:43,840 --> 01:52:46,960
succinct on the issue of spot zoning

2823
01:52:46,960 --> 01:52:49,599
it basically says it's singling out a

2824
01:52:49,599 --> 01:52:51,119
small

2825
01:52:51,119 --> 01:52:54,000
area or a lot for discriminatory or

2826
01:52:54,000 --> 01:52:55,679
different treatment from that according

2827
01:52:55,679 --> 01:52:57,679
surrounding land which is similar in

2828
01:52:57,679 --> 01:52:59,760
character

2829
01:52:59,760 --> 01:53:02,719
well this is not a lot this is not a

2830
01:53:02,719 --> 01:53:04,320
small area

2831
01:53:04,320 --> 01:53:05,920
but more importantly this is a

2832
01:53:05,920 --> 01:53:08,400
residential pud that's proposed

2833
01:53:08,400 --> 01:53:10,800
so it is not being recorded different

2834
01:53:10,800 --> 01:53:13,280
treatment because a pud application must

2835
01:53:13,280 --> 01:53:15,520
be submitted by the property owner it is

2836
01:53:15,520 --> 01:53:17,840
not something the village can force on a

2837
01:53:17,840 --> 01:53:20,639
developer the developer has negotiated

2838
01:53:20,639 --> 01:53:22,960
with us on this put

2839
01:53:22,960 --> 01:53:24,159
again

2840
01:53:24,159 --> 01:53:25,440
denise just

2841
01:53:25,440 --> 01:53:27,840
advised the village in fact proposed the

2842
01:53:27,840 --> 01:53:28,639
putt

2843
01:53:28,639 --> 01:53:30,960
because oberer was perfectly fine with

2844
01:53:30,960 --> 01:53:34,880
proposing an ra development per our code

2845
01:53:34,880 --> 01:53:37,280
every parcel that was annexed came in ra

2846
01:53:37,280 --> 01:53:40,960
that's been the code since 2013. so in

2847
01:53:40,960 --> 01:53:42,719
terms of what the council and the

2848
01:53:42,719 --> 01:53:44,639
planning commission had to consider

2849
01:53:44,639 --> 01:53:47,760
under the pug code under 125406 you've

2850
01:53:47,760 --> 01:53:49,920
got multiple factors to consider and it

2851
01:53:49,920 --> 01:53:52,639
says the reviewing body shall consider

2852
01:53:52,639 --> 01:53:55,040
all these things that applies equally to

2853
01:53:55,040 --> 01:53:56,880
council and the planning commission when

2854
01:53:56,880 --> 01:53:58,880
they're reviewing those

2855
01:53:58,880 --> 01:54:00,000
so

2856
01:54:00,000 --> 01:54:02,159
in terms of this

2857
01:54:02,159 --> 01:54:05,119
not available or achievable under

2858
01:54:05,119 --> 01:54:07,119
conventional zoning

2859
01:54:07,119 --> 01:54:09,599
that's up to council to decide in terms

2860
01:54:09,599 --> 01:54:10,719
of

2861
01:54:10,719 --> 01:54:13,440
spot zoning a pud is

2862
01:54:13,440 --> 01:54:15,760
not spot zoning again it's not a single

2863
01:54:15,760 --> 01:54:18,639
lot it's not a small area under our

2864
01:54:18,639 --> 01:54:21,280
definition of spot zoning a planned unit

2865
01:54:21,280 --> 01:54:24,560
development is not it

2866
01:54:24,560 --> 01:54:25,440
okay

2867
01:54:25,440 --> 01:54:27,679
thank you brianne um i also heard that

2868
01:54:27,679 --> 01:54:29,040
um

2869
01:54:29,040 --> 01:54:30,320
uh

2870
01:54:30,320 --> 01:54:32,159
our uh

2871
01:54:32,159 --> 01:54:33,679
chair of the planning commission asked

2872
01:54:33,679 --> 01:54:35,840
us to clarify an accusation about a

2873
01:54:35,840 --> 01:54:37,679
conflict of interest

2874
01:54:37,679 --> 01:54:39,440
sure

2875
01:54:39,440 --> 01:54:42,400
early in this process i identified

2876
01:54:42,400 --> 01:54:44,239
several planning commission and council

2877
01:54:44,239 --> 01:54:47,199
members who based on things they had

2878
01:54:47,199 --> 01:54:49,119
said communications

2879
01:54:49,119 --> 01:54:51,679
may have a conflict of interest

2880
01:54:51,679 --> 01:54:52,480
and

2881
01:54:52,480 --> 01:54:54,080
some of these were on the appearance of

2882
01:54:54,080 --> 01:54:56,880
impropriety alone as most people know

2883
01:54:56,880 --> 01:54:58,480
our chairman

2884
01:54:58,480 --> 01:55:00,400
of the planning and zoning commission

2885
01:55:00,400 --> 01:55:03,040
owns property across spillan from the

2886
01:55:03,040 --> 01:55:05,679
development we sought guidance from the

2887
01:55:05,679 --> 01:55:08,719
ohio ethics commission and initially i

2888
01:55:08,719 --> 01:55:11,040
had advised him based on appearance of

2889
01:55:11,040 --> 01:55:13,360
impropriety alone that he should

2890
01:55:13,360 --> 01:55:15,679
probably recuse because

2891
01:55:15,679 --> 01:55:18,320
back in the 60s when his property was an

2892
01:55:18,320 --> 01:55:21,599
extent to the village for some reason

2893
01:55:21,599 --> 01:55:23,199
the half of the road right-of-way

2894
01:55:23,199 --> 01:55:25,199
furniture was not

2895
01:55:25,199 --> 01:55:27,440
at least not on the green county maps so

2896
01:55:27,440 --> 01:55:30,000
that was an oversight from the way the

2897
01:55:30,000 --> 01:55:32,639
annexation procedures were done way back

2898
01:55:32,639 --> 01:55:34,320
when

2899
01:55:34,320 --> 01:55:36,000
in terms of

2900
01:55:36,000 --> 01:55:38,560
his name on the annexation petition

2901
01:55:38,560 --> 01:55:40,639
he didn't really have a choice

2902
01:55:40,639 --> 01:55:41,840
and then

2903
01:55:41,840 --> 01:55:44,159
advised that well that property is

2904
01:55:44,159 --> 01:55:46,320
actually encumbered with a deed

2905
01:55:46,320 --> 01:55:47,599
restriction

2906
01:55:47,599 --> 01:55:50,000
so ober's development in reviewing the

2907
01:55:50,000 --> 01:55:51,440
specific language of that deed

2908
01:55:51,440 --> 01:55:52,719
restriction

2909
01:55:52,719 --> 01:55:55,280
has almost negligible

2910
01:55:55,280 --> 01:55:56,560
if any

2911
01:55:56,560 --> 01:55:58,800
impact on that property value because of

2912
01:55:58,800 --> 01:56:01,119
that deed restriction language it cannot

2913
01:56:01,119 --> 01:56:02,719
be developed

2914
01:56:02,719 --> 01:56:04,719
ergo

2915
01:56:04,719 --> 01:56:06,320
i said

2916
01:56:06,320 --> 01:56:09,119
mr dodin you've got

2917
01:56:09,119 --> 01:56:10,480
what appears to be on his face to

2918
01:56:10,480 --> 01:56:12,560
conflict

2919
01:56:12,560 --> 01:56:15,599
but in actuality

2920
01:56:15,599 --> 01:56:17,599
is none

2921
01:56:17,599 --> 01:56:18,960
and

2922
01:56:18,960 --> 01:56:21,360
other people

2923
01:56:21,360 --> 01:56:23,840
also had questions so we submitted it to

2924
01:56:23,840 --> 01:56:26,159
the ohio ethics commission the ethics

2925
01:56:26,159 --> 01:56:27,280
commission

2926
01:56:27,280 --> 01:56:29,599
ruled on four individuals

2927
01:56:29,599 --> 01:56:32,239
some of whom did not disclose what was

2928
01:56:32,239 --> 01:56:34,880
being said

2929
01:56:34,880 --> 01:56:36,800
during the interim

2930
01:56:36,800 --> 01:56:39,669
and

2931
01:56:39,679 --> 01:56:41,280
we got the ethics commission opinion

2932
01:56:41,280 --> 01:56:43,360
back july 23rd i communicated that to

2933
01:56:43,360 --> 01:56:44,880
all council members all planning

2934
01:56:44,880 --> 01:56:47,910
commission members

2935
01:56:47,920 --> 01:56:48,800
and

2936
01:56:48,800 --> 01:56:51,040
from that point forward

2937
01:56:51,040 --> 01:56:52,719
once i give

2938
01:56:52,719 --> 01:56:54,800
a legal opinion or the ethics commission

2939
01:56:54,800 --> 01:56:57,199
gives an opinion

2940
01:56:57,199 --> 01:56:58,960
it's up to the planning commission

2941
01:56:58,960 --> 01:57:01,599
member or the council member to decide

2942
01:57:01,599 --> 01:57:04,560
whether or not they do agree with it and

2943
01:57:04,560 --> 01:57:06,719
should recuse

2944
01:57:06,719 --> 01:57:08,480
or whether they're going to carry

2945
01:57:08,480 --> 01:57:10,320
forward

2946
01:57:10,320 --> 01:57:11,679
in this case

2947
01:57:11,679 --> 01:57:13,360
mr dodin acknowledged that his

2948
01:57:13,360 --> 01:57:17,040
obligation in a quasi-judicial capacity

2949
01:57:17,040 --> 01:57:20,000
would have restricted his voting again

2950
01:57:20,000 --> 01:57:21,599
kind of his counsel is somewhat

2951
01:57:21,599 --> 01:57:23,280
obligated to based on the language of

2952
01:57:23,280 --> 01:57:24,400
the code

2953
01:57:24,400 --> 01:57:29,199
to considering those criteria in 125406

2954
01:57:29,199 --> 01:57:31,040
other individuals on planning commission

2955
01:57:31,040 --> 01:57:32,800
advised that they could not that they

2956
01:57:32,800 --> 01:57:34,880
preferred to advocate

2957
01:57:34,880 --> 01:57:36,960
uh that they had personal opinions about

2958
01:57:36,960 --> 01:57:39,119
the project

2959
01:57:39,119 --> 01:57:42,159
therefore i advise them they should

2960
01:57:42,159 --> 01:57:43,840
not participate in the proceedings

2961
01:57:43,840 --> 01:57:47,350
whatsoever

2962
01:57:47,360 --> 01:57:49,760
ohio ethics law is pretty clear

2963
01:57:49,760 --> 01:57:52,400
when you have a conflict of interest

2964
01:57:52,400 --> 01:57:57,109
the guidance is to recuse completely

2965
01:57:57,119 --> 01:57:58,800
however the ethics commission opinion

2966
01:57:58,800 --> 01:58:00,080
also said look you're free to

2967
01:58:00,080 --> 01:58:02,000
participate as private citizen when

2968
01:58:02,000 --> 01:58:05,280
matters impact your personal property

2969
01:58:05,280 --> 01:58:07,199
and to date

2970
01:58:07,199 --> 01:58:10,239
that is what has happened to the extent

2971
01:58:10,239 --> 01:58:12,000
that others have

2972
01:58:12,000 --> 01:58:13,440
engaged in

2973
01:58:13,440 --> 01:58:16,000
discussion deliberation

2974
01:58:16,000 --> 01:58:18,639
they've not engaged in voting they have

2975
01:58:18,639 --> 01:58:20,639
for the most part made very clear that

2976
01:58:20,639 --> 01:58:23,199
they have recused from their public

2977
01:58:23,199 --> 01:58:26,070
roles

2978
01:58:26,080 --> 01:58:26,960
okay

2979
01:58:26,960 --> 01:58:28,320
thank you brienne

2980
01:58:28,320 --> 01:58:29,119
um

2981
01:58:29,119 --> 01:58:30,800
all right i think before we close the

2982
01:58:30,800 --> 01:58:33,840
public hearing um my understanding is

2983
01:58:33,840 --> 01:58:35,599
that um

2984
01:58:35,599 --> 01:58:39,440
either george oberer or greg smith um

2985
01:58:39,440 --> 01:58:42,639
wanted to uh announce something

2986
01:58:42,639 --> 01:58:43,920
related to

2987
01:58:43,920 --> 01:58:57,990
the project

2988
01:58:58,000 --> 01:59:01,040
am i on now brian you are george

2989
01:59:01,040 --> 01:59:03,040
thank you um

2990
01:59:03,040 --> 01:59:05,760
and since i know greg can hear this and

2991
01:59:05,760 --> 01:59:06,960
uh

2992
01:59:06,960 --> 01:59:09,679
our counsel mike mcnamee is on

2993
01:59:09,679 --> 01:59:11,679
the call also so

2994
01:59:11,679 --> 01:59:13,280
i want to make a couple of comments and

2995
01:59:13,280 --> 01:59:14,080
then

2996
01:59:14,080 --> 01:59:17,119
allow them to um to add to those if

2997
01:59:17,119 --> 01:59:19,040
that's okay

2998
01:59:19,040 --> 01:59:19,920
yep

2999
01:59:19,920 --> 01:59:22,320
first just a a little history and i i

3000
01:59:22,320 --> 01:59:24,960
don't really want to

3001
01:59:24,960 --> 01:59:28,000
turn this into a debate but

3002
01:59:28,000 --> 01:59:30,320
i guess i wanted the audience to know

3003
01:59:30,320 --> 01:59:32,639
that that i actually went

3004
01:59:32,639 --> 01:59:34,719
along with my brother to see mr

3005
01:59:34,719 --> 01:59:35,760
chappelle

3006
01:59:35,760 --> 01:59:38,480
a year ago last september

3007
01:59:38,480 --> 01:59:40,560
and met with he and max crome and showed

3008
01:59:40,560 --> 01:59:43,119
him our plans he showed him at the time

3009
01:59:43,119 --> 01:59:45,119
it was a single family plan it was an ra

3010
01:59:45,119 --> 01:59:46,639
plan

3011
01:59:46,639 --> 01:59:48,159
but

3012
01:59:48,159 --> 01:59:50,480
did so more as a good neighbor than

3013
01:59:50,480 --> 01:59:52,480
anything else um

3014
01:59:52,480 --> 01:59:54,880
didn't know what might develop of it i

3015
01:59:54,880 --> 01:59:56,800
was

3016
01:59:56,800 --> 01:59:59,920
acquainted to to mr chappelle from a

3017
01:59:59,920 --> 02:00:01,360
mutual friend

3018
02:00:01,360 --> 02:00:02,960
and uh

3019
02:00:02,960 --> 02:00:04,639
understood that he spoke to the previous

3020
02:00:04,639 --> 02:00:06,400
owner about possibly purchasing part of

3021
02:00:06,400 --> 02:00:07,679
the property but

3022
02:00:07,679 --> 02:00:09,440
and i don't want to put words into mr

3023
02:00:09,440 --> 02:00:10,960
chappelle's mouth but possibly he didn't

3024
02:00:10,960 --> 02:00:13,119
want to purchase all the property

3025
02:00:13,119 --> 02:00:15,199
only some of the property and and

3026
02:00:15,199 --> 02:00:17,679
that made the property less marketable

3027
02:00:17,679 --> 02:00:20,000
for the previous owner and i think the

3028
02:00:20,000 --> 02:00:21,520
previous owner made a good decision

3029
02:00:21,520 --> 02:00:23,760
because i would not have been interested

3030
02:00:23,760 --> 02:00:26,159
in the property had

3031
02:00:26,159 --> 02:00:28,320
10 acres for an example been sold out of

3032
02:00:28,320 --> 02:00:31,750
the middle of it

3033
02:00:31,760 --> 02:00:34,229
but

3034
02:00:34,239 --> 02:00:36,000
i was not

3035
02:00:36,000 --> 02:00:37,520
made an offer to purchase the property

3036
02:00:37,520 --> 02:00:38,560
at the time

3037
02:00:38,560 --> 02:00:40,880
i didn't say i would or wouldn't sell it

3038
02:00:40,880 --> 02:00:42,480
but we were never really approached

3039
02:00:42,480 --> 02:00:45,510
about that

3040
02:00:45,520 --> 02:00:47,040
secondly i wanted to say that the real

3041
02:00:47,040 --> 02:00:49,360
estate taxes

3042
02:00:49,360 --> 02:00:51,119
in an r.a zoning

3043
02:00:51,119 --> 02:00:52,719
or a pud

3044
02:00:52,719 --> 02:00:54,560
should be

3045
02:00:54,560 --> 02:00:57,360
almost neutral

3046
02:00:57,360 --> 02:01:00,639
we can achieve the same density

3047
02:01:00,639 --> 02:01:04,239
on the current in existing ra zoning as

3048
02:01:04,239 --> 02:01:08,950
we are proposing in the pud

3049
02:01:08,960 --> 02:01:11,440
the property values

3050
02:01:11,440 --> 02:01:14,159
will vary in those but but

3051
02:01:14,159 --> 02:01:16,480
not materially i mean yeah you're going

3052
02:01:16,480 --> 02:01:18,560
to have more affordable houses in the

3053
02:01:18,560 --> 02:01:20,080
pud

3054
02:01:20,080 --> 02:01:23,040
so the total revenues might be slightly

3055
02:01:23,040 --> 02:01:25,280
less than they would

3056
02:01:25,280 --> 02:01:27,520
you know in a single family

3057
02:01:27,520 --> 02:01:28,639
uh

3058
02:01:28,639 --> 02:01:30,719
totally single-family development but

3059
02:01:30,719 --> 02:01:32,159
but they're not going to be materially

3060
02:01:32,159 --> 02:01:33,840
different

3061
02:01:33,840 --> 02:01:35,840
and secondly i wanted or third i wanted

3062
02:01:35,840 --> 02:01:37,440
to make the point that

3063
02:01:37,440 --> 02:01:38,320
if

3064
02:01:38,320 --> 02:01:40,480
real estate taxes and revenues were such

3065
02:01:40,480 --> 02:01:42,560
an issue

3066
02:01:42,560 --> 02:01:44,880
between the pud and the ra zoning why

3067
02:01:44,880 --> 02:01:47,280
why were they not an issue

3068
02:01:47,280 --> 02:01:49,599
when we discussed annexation

3069
02:01:49,599 --> 02:01:52,560
of the 30-plus acres that came from

3070
02:01:52,560 --> 02:01:54,080
miami township

3071
02:01:54,080 --> 02:01:57,360
into into the village

3072
02:01:57,360 --> 02:01:59,119
i i guess i would just like to remind

3073
02:01:59,119 --> 02:02:01,040
some of the council members that

3074
02:02:01,040 --> 02:02:03,119
that certainly wasn't an issue when we

3075
02:02:03,119 --> 02:02:05,599
discussed annexation

3076
02:02:05,599 --> 02:02:07,910
um

3077
02:02:07,920 --> 02:02:11,520
lastly uh well not lastly but next is is

3078
02:02:11,520 --> 02:02:12,639
the dump

3079
02:02:12,639 --> 02:02:14,639
is hearsay

3080
02:02:14,639 --> 02:02:15,679
and

3081
02:02:15,679 --> 02:02:19,040
nobody has offered any real evidence to

3082
02:02:19,040 --> 02:02:21,119
support this only other than a couple of

3083
02:02:21,119 --> 02:02:23,599
people claiming to have seen a barrel or

3084
02:02:23,599 --> 02:02:25,990
two

3085
02:02:26,000 --> 02:02:28,239
we've not seen any photographs

3086
02:02:28,239 --> 02:02:31,280
we've engaged a third party

3087
02:02:31,280 --> 02:02:32,719
and reputable environmental

3088
02:02:32,719 --> 02:02:36,229
investigative service

3089
02:02:36,239 --> 02:02:38,320
to to conduct a

3090
02:02:38,320 --> 02:02:41,840
phase one uh environmental study

3091
02:02:41,840 --> 02:02:44,080
now keep hearing references to a phase

3092
02:02:44,080 --> 02:02:45,679
two when there really isn't any such

3093
02:02:45,679 --> 02:02:48,719
thing as a phase two a phase one is

3094
02:02:48,719 --> 02:02:51,840
conducted to see if there's any evidence

3095
02:02:51,840 --> 02:02:53,199
of any

3096
02:02:53,199 --> 02:02:55,760
concern over contamination or pollution

3097
02:02:55,760 --> 02:02:56,800
or any

3098
02:02:56,800 --> 02:02:58,239
uh

3099
02:02:58,239 --> 02:03:00,560
foreign substances that should be

3100
02:03:00,560 --> 02:03:03,280
investigated further this report turned

3101
02:03:03,280 --> 02:03:05,599
up zero evidence that suggested that

3102
02:03:05,599 --> 02:03:07,840
there should be further investigation

3103
02:03:07,840 --> 02:03:10,880
and let me be clear that we provided

3104
02:03:10,880 --> 02:03:12,719
that to the village

3105
02:03:12,719 --> 02:03:14,400
on our own we weren't there was not a

3106
02:03:14,400 --> 02:03:16,800
requirement that was not there there's

3107
02:03:16,800 --> 02:03:19,119
no ordinance or regulation that requires

3108
02:03:19,119 --> 02:03:20,960
that we provide that but we do that

3109
02:03:20,960 --> 02:03:23,119
frankly for our own protection

3110
02:03:23,119 --> 02:03:24,239
because

3111
02:03:24,239 --> 02:03:27,119
we don't want to purchase land and buy

3112
02:03:27,119 --> 02:03:29,760
uh or develop land

3113
02:03:29,760 --> 02:03:32,239
that has an environmental problem i mean

3114
02:03:32,239 --> 02:03:33,599
i don't

3115
02:03:33,599 --> 02:03:36,400
i can't run a business and and and do

3116
02:03:36,400 --> 02:03:39,750
that

3117
02:03:39,760 --> 02:03:42,080
after that we can we hired a

3118
02:03:42,080 --> 02:03:44,960
geo-technical uh engineer that did a

3119
02:03:44,960 --> 02:03:46,960
subsurface investigation did soil

3120
02:03:46,960 --> 02:03:48,239
borings

3121
02:03:48,239 --> 02:03:49,440
that were

3122
02:03:49,440 --> 02:03:51,760
deep soil borings 20 foot

3123
02:03:51,760 --> 02:03:54,159
in some cases

3124
02:03:54,159 --> 02:03:55,520
and they were 20 foot where they could

3125
02:03:55,520 --> 02:03:57,360
be they they were stopped short of that

3126
02:03:57,360 --> 02:03:59,440
where they had bedrock

3127
02:03:59,440 --> 02:04:00,800
but

3128
02:04:00,800 --> 02:04:02,079
the uh

3129
02:04:02,079 --> 02:04:05,119
the the soil borings were done randomly

3130
02:04:05,119 --> 02:04:06,480
over the whole

3131
02:04:06,480 --> 02:04:08,800
52-acre site

3132
02:04:08,800 --> 02:04:11,520
and then the soils were analyzed for

3133
02:04:11,520 --> 02:04:14,079
both their compatibility for development

3134
02:04:14,079 --> 02:04:15,280
but also

3135
02:04:15,280 --> 02:04:16,719
for contaminants

3136
02:04:16,719 --> 02:04:19,199
and none were found

3137
02:04:19,199 --> 02:04:22,629
so

3138
02:04:22,639 --> 02:04:24,560
i guess i want to

3139
02:04:24,560 --> 02:04:26,480
and i guess i also want to say as far as

3140
02:04:26,480 --> 02:04:29,520
the

3141
02:04:29,520 --> 02:04:32,639
hazard or soils issues or or contaminate

3142
02:04:32,639 --> 02:04:34,320
contamination issues

3143
02:04:34,320 --> 02:04:36,079
you know that's really a risk that i as

3144
02:04:36,079 --> 02:04:37,760
a developer take on

3145
02:04:37,760 --> 02:04:40,719
as we develop this site and we if we

3146
02:04:40,719 --> 02:04:42,639
encounter a contaminant

3147
02:04:42,639 --> 02:04:44,320
we're going to have to

3148
02:04:44,320 --> 02:04:46,560
notify epa and deal with it in the

3149
02:04:46,560 --> 02:04:48,560
prescribed manner

3150
02:04:48,560 --> 02:04:53,119
to decontaminate the site so i don't you

3151
02:04:53,119 --> 02:04:55,520
know i'm i'm saying that i've i know of

3152
02:04:55,520 --> 02:04:58,400
no evidence of contamination but if we

3153
02:04:58,400 --> 02:05:00,239
found contamination the village would be

3154
02:05:00,239 --> 02:05:01,679
better off because it would be our

3155
02:05:01,679 --> 02:05:04,840
responsibility to clean it up

3156
02:05:04,840 --> 02:05:07,599
lastly i want to mention that

3157
02:05:07,599 --> 02:05:10,480
your zoning or comprehensive plans do

3158
02:05:10,480 --> 02:05:13,280
not require any affordable housing

3159
02:05:13,280 --> 02:05:16,320
we typically go into a community

3160
02:05:16,320 --> 02:05:18,719
that has such a good school system and

3161
02:05:18,719 --> 02:05:21,679
and uh

3162
02:05:21,679 --> 02:05:23,679
a desires community like the village of

3163
02:05:23,679 --> 02:05:25,920
yellow springs we try to bring products

3164
02:05:25,920 --> 02:05:28,480
that we already build in other locations

3165
02:05:28,480 --> 02:05:30,239
i can't

3166
02:05:30,239 --> 02:05:32,800
redesign or build make new designs for

3167
02:05:32,800 --> 02:05:34,480
every single community

3168
02:05:34,480 --> 02:05:36,000
that we've developed

3169
02:05:36,000 --> 02:05:38,400
it just doesn't make sense for us so so

3170
02:05:38,400 --> 02:05:40,719
we do try to bring

3171
02:05:40,719 --> 02:05:44,079
products that are affordable affordable

3172
02:05:44,079 --> 02:05:44,800
is

3173
02:05:44,800 --> 02:05:48,719
i suppose a a broad term but

3174
02:05:48,719 --> 02:05:51,360
but in various different price ranges to

3175
02:05:51,360 --> 02:05:53,760
make them as affordable as we can

3176
02:05:53,760 --> 02:05:56,560
but also as desirable as we can i mean

3177
02:05:56,560 --> 02:05:58,480
we know from our marketing research we

3178
02:05:58,480 --> 02:06:01,199
know from building in other communities

3179
02:06:01,199 --> 02:06:03,840
what sells and what's affordable

3180
02:06:03,840 --> 02:06:06,239
to some of the population and what's not

3181
02:06:06,239 --> 02:06:07,840
in this case

3182
02:06:07,840 --> 02:06:09,599
the only reason that there's an

3183
02:06:09,599 --> 02:06:11,280
affordable piece of

3184
02:06:11,280 --> 02:06:14,480
this property being proposed is because

3185
02:06:14,480 --> 02:06:18,079
of negotiations with the village

3186
02:06:18,079 --> 02:06:20,719
certain council members in including uh

3187
02:06:20,719 --> 02:06:22,320
brian and

3188
02:06:22,320 --> 02:06:25,840
and uh and marianne and in josue and his

3189
02:06:25,840 --> 02:06:27,840
entire staff

3190
02:06:27,840 --> 02:06:28,960
that

3191
02:06:28,960 --> 02:06:30,480
communicated with us about some of the

3192
02:06:30,480 --> 02:06:32,639
needs that the village has

3193
02:06:32,639 --> 02:06:34,960
and we tried to meet some of those needs

3194
02:06:34,960 --> 02:06:35,760
by

3195
02:06:35,760 --> 02:06:38,079
donating

3196
02:06:38,079 --> 02:06:39,280
a site

3197
02:06:39,280 --> 02:06:45,360
by bringing a park to the community by

3198
02:06:45,360 --> 02:06:47,040
um

3199
02:06:47,040 --> 02:06:50,000
and even most recently

3200
02:06:50,000 --> 02:06:52,400
uh helping solve well from an

3201
02:06:52,400 --> 02:06:53,840
engineering standpoint we haven't done

3202
02:06:53,840 --> 02:06:55,440
it from a construction standpoint but

3203
02:06:55,440 --> 02:06:57,360
we'll help the village solve a

3204
02:06:57,360 --> 02:06:59,119
stormwater issue that exists to the

3205
02:06:59,119 --> 02:07:01,440
north of the site our site

3206
02:07:01,440 --> 02:07:02,560
so

3207
02:07:02,560 --> 02:07:05,040
i think lastly we can't solve all the

3208
02:07:05,040 --> 02:07:06,719
infrastructure problems that are not

3209
02:07:06,719 --> 02:07:07,760
connected

3210
02:07:07,760 --> 02:07:09,360
to our site

3211
02:07:09,360 --> 02:07:12,159
we we understand that there's perhaps a

3212
02:07:12,159 --> 02:07:14,320
safety issue on spilan road particularly

3213
02:07:14,320 --> 02:07:16,159
north of our site

3214
02:07:16,159 --> 02:07:17,679
but i did

3215
02:07:17,679 --> 02:07:20,000
tell josue this week

3216
02:07:20,000 --> 02:07:22,480
that this past week i'm sorry that that

3217
02:07:22,480 --> 02:07:24,320
we would contribute fifty thousand

3218
02:07:24,320 --> 02:07:27,040
dollars towards a community safety fund

3219
02:07:27,040 --> 02:07:29,119
so that the village could use maybe as

3220
02:07:29,119 --> 02:07:30,239
uh

3221
02:07:30,239 --> 02:07:33,199
grant leverage or matching funds for an

3222
02:07:33,199 --> 02:07:36,229
example

3223
02:07:36,239 --> 02:07:38,079
to make improvements to a piece of

3224
02:07:38,079 --> 02:07:39,760
property that doesn't even touch ours

3225
02:07:39,760 --> 02:07:42,320
right now we're already improving spa

3226
02:07:42,320 --> 02:07:44,320
land on our side of the road

3227
02:07:44,320 --> 02:07:46,239
but i'm talking about north north of our

3228
02:07:46,239 --> 02:07:47,280
property

3229
02:07:47,280 --> 02:07:49,199
so

3230
02:07:49,199 --> 02:07:50,159
thank you

3231
02:07:50,159 --> 02:07:52,000
brian for for allowing me to make those

3232
02:07:52,000 --> 02:07:54,159
comments and if you don't mind i'll ask

3233
02:07:54,159 --> 02:07:55,599
greg and

3234
02:07:55,599 --> 02:07:57,280
and mike if they have anything to add to

3235
02:07:57,280 --> 02:07:58,880
that

3236
02:07:58,880 --> 02:08:01,040
okay thank you

3237
02:08:01,040 --> 02:08:02,800
i don't think you hear me

3238
02:08:02,800 --> 02:08:03,679
yes

3239
02:08:03,679 --> 02:08:05,599
excellent hey i just want to thank

3240
02:08:05,599 --> 02:08:07,440
george for his comments thank everybody

3241
02:08:07,440 --> 02:08:10,079
who spoke this evening it's uh

3242
02:08:10,079 --> 02:08:12,159
been very um

3243
02:08:12,159 --> 02:08:13,599
nice to work at community so many people

3244
02:08:13,599 --> 02:08:14,880
are involved

3245
02:08:14,880 --> 02:08:16,639
um there any questions anybody

3246
02:08:16,639 --> 02:08:18,320
specifically has

3247
02:08:18,320 --> 02:08:19,840
mike and i are happy to answer them

3248
02:08:19,840 --> 02:08:22,400
otherwise i think we'll just

3249
02:08:22,400 --> 02:08:23,840
go from there but i think i'd like to

3250
02:08:23,840 --> 02:08:25,599
make ourselves available to especially

3251
02:08:25,599 --> 02:08:27,280
the council members particularly to

3252
02:08:27,280 --> 02:08:29,360
answer direct questions

3253
02:08:29,360 --> 02:08:31,280
okay thanks greg

3254
02:08:31,280 --> 02:08:34,159
um okay so i'm going to

3255
02:08:34,159 --> 02:08:37,520
close the public hearing and um then i

3256
02:08:37,520 --> 02:08:40,960
be believe brienne you have a next step

3257
02:08:40,960 --> 02:08:43,040
for us to go through

3258
02:08:43,040 --> 02:08:45,679
yes that's correct

3259
02:08:45,679 --> 02:08:47,679
so i need every council member that's

3260
02:08:47,679 --> 02:08:50,000
voting with the understanding that mr

3261
02:08:50,000 --> 02:08:52,480
stokes is uh

3262
02:08:52,480 --> 02:08:54,320
recused

3263
02:08:54,320 --> 02:08:56,639
to affirm that they have reviewed the

3264
02:08:56,639 --> 02:08:58,800
record in its entirety

3265
02:08:58,800 --> 02:09:01,520
this is an action for a preliminary plan

3266
02:09:01,520 --> 02:09:03,599
for planned unit development

3267
02:09:03,599 --> 02:09:05,280
so planning commission has made a

3268
02:09:05,280 --> 02:09:07,119
recommendation based on its meeting of

3269
02:09:07,119 --> 02:09:08,960
november 9th you have the minutes from

3270
02:09:08,960 --> 02:09:10,719
that meeting

3271
02:09:10,719 --> 02:09:12,800
the processes such the reviewing body

3272
02:09:12,800 --> 02:09:14,320
whether it's the planning commission or

3273
02:09:14,320 --> 02:09:16,639
council has two criteria

3274
02:09:16,639 --> 02:09:20,000
to consider under 1254.06

3275
02:09:20,000 --> 02:09:21,040
so

3276
02:09:21,040 --> 02:09:22,560
i will start with council president

3277
02:09:22,560 --> 02:09:23,599
housh

3278
02:09:23,599 --> 02:09:24,480
have you

3279
02:09:24,480 --> 02:09:26,560
reviewed the record in its entirety

3280
02:09:26,560 --> 02:09:28,239
including the minutes from the planning

3281
02:09:28,239 --> 02:09:29,840
commission

3282
02:09:29,840 --> 02:09:31,520
the prior council meetings and all

3283
02:09:31,520 --> 02:09:33,599
citizen comments to date

3284
02:09:33,599 --> 02:09:35,040
uh yes i have

3285
02:09:35,040 --> 02:09:37,360
okay

3286
02:09:37,360 --> 02:09:39,599
councilmember mcqueen same question i

3287
02:09:39,599 --> 02:09:41,520
need you to a firmer attest that you

3288
02:09:41,520 --> 02:09:43,440
have reviewed the record in its entirety

3289
02:09:43,440 --> 02:09:45,360
including the planning commission

3290
02:09:45,360 --> 02:09:48,079
meeting minutes uh the application

3291
02:09:48,079 --> 02:09:50,239
uh the prayer council meetings and all

3292
02:09:50,239 --> 02:09:52,719
the citizen comments to date

3293
02:09:52,719 --> 02:09:55,280
yes three times in terms of the planning

3294
02:09:55,280 --> 02:09:57,360
commission november 9th

3295
02:09:57,360 --> 02:09:58,880
okay

3296
02:09:58,880 --> 02:10:01,119
same question of council member krieger

3297
02:10:01,119 --> 02:10:03,599
have you can you affirm or attest that

3298
02:10:03,599 --> 02:10:05,280
you have reviewed the record in its

3299
02:10:05,280 --> 02:10:07,520
entirety including the november 9th

3300
02:10:07,520 --> 02:10:09,520
planning commission meeting

3301
02:10:09,520 --> 02:10:11,199
minutes and

3302
02:10:11,199 --> 02:10:12,159
the

3303
02:10:12,159 --> 02:10:14,000
subsequent council meetings and the

3304
02:10:14,000 --> 02:10:17,280
citizen comments to date

3305
02:10:17,280 --> 02:10:19,040
yes i was present at the meeting and

3306
02:10:19,040 --> 02:10:20,639
have reviewed thank you

3307
02:10:20,639 --> 02:10:21,920
okay

3308
02:10:21,920 --> 02:10:24,400
and council member lee uh same question

3309
02:10:24,400 --> 02:10:26,320
can you affirm or attest that you have

3310
02:10:26,320 --> 02:10:28,480
reviewed the record in its entirety

3311
02:10:28,480 --> 02:10:30,079
including the november 9th planning

3312
02:10:30,079 --> 02:10:31,280
commission meeting minutes its

3313
02:10:31,280 --> 02:10:32,960
recommendation

3314
02:10:32,960 --> 02:10:34,239
the

3315
02:10:34,239 --> 02:10:36,159
subsequent council meetings and all the

3316
02:10:36,159 --> 02:10:38,079
citizen comments to date

3317
02:10:38,079 --> 02:10:40,159
yes

3318
02:10:40,159 --> 02:10:41,040
okay

3319
02:10:41,040 --> 02:10:43,560
so everyone has affirmed under

3320
02:10:43,560 --> 02:10:47,599
125405 c5 as required you had to review

3321
02:10:47,599 --> 02:10:48,960
the record of the planning commission

3322
02:10:48,960 --> 02:10:51,480
proceedings the standards under

3323
02:10:51,480 --> 02:10:55,280
1254.06 which we've touched on briefly

3324
02:10:55,280 --> 02:10:57,280
and you've got the recommendation of the

3325
02:10:57,280 --> 02:10:58,800
planning commission

3326
02:10:58,800 --> 02:11:00,400
so your act

3327
02:11:00,400 --> 02:11:02,719
would be to approve

3328
02:11:02,719 --> 02:11:06,000
deny or approve with modifications

3329
02:11:06,000 --> 02:11:08,000
the preliminary development plan and the

3330
02:11:08,000 --> 02:11:11,360
rezoning request so

3331
02:11:11,360 --> 02:11:13,599
i'm not going to get into modifications

3332
02:11:13,599 --> 02:11:16,320
at this juncture i will

3333
02:11:16,320 --> 02:11:18,079
prefer the council president lead that

3334
02:11:18,079 --> 02:11:19,199
discussion

3335
02:11:19,199 --> 02:11:22,480
but my question to you then would be

3336
02:11:22,480 --> 02:11:24,560
would you accept

3337
02:11:24,560 --> 02:11:27,119
um and and brian would call for the vote

3338
02:11:27,119 --> 02:11:28,960
but this is for discussion amongst

3339
02:11:28,960 --> 02:11:31,840
yourselves would you accept the findings

3340
02:11:31,840 --> 02:11:33,760
of the planning commission

3341
02:11:33,760 --> 02:11:35,920
in their entirety because if you do not

3342
02:11:35,920 --> 02:11:37,840
then you have to go back through all of

3343
02:11:37,840 --> 02:11:39,440
those findings

3344
02:11:39,440 --> 02:11:40,880
separately

3345
02:11:40,880 --> 02:11:43,440
okay so i think at this point i will

3346
02:11:43,440 --> 02:11:47,119
make a motion to approve the findings of

3347
02:11:47,119 --> 02:11:49,119
the planning commission

3348
02:11:49,119 --> 02:11:52,709
is there a second

3349
02:11:52,719 --> 02:11:54,239
i second it

3350
02:11:54,239 --> 02:11:55,119
okay

3351
02:11:55,119 --> 02:12:02,149
um any discussion

3352
02:12:02,159 --> 02:12:04,800
okay if not then uh judy could you call

3353
02:12:04,800 --> 02:12:07,119
the role please

3354
02:12:07,119 --> 02:12:11,440
yes mcqueen

3355
02:12:11,440 --> 02:12:13,520
brown

3356
02:12:13,520 --> 02:12:15,440
yes

3357
02:12:15,440 --> 02:12:17,199
krieger

3358
02:12:17,199 --> 02:12:18,159
yeah

3359
02:12:18,159 --> 02:12:19,679
house

3360
02:12:19,679 --> 02:12:21,440
yes

3361
02:12:21,440 --> 02:12:24,159
okay so i believe the next um part of

3362
02:12:24,159 --> 02:12:28,040
this process is to discuss uh any

3363
02:12:28,040 --> 02:12:29,920
modifications

3364
02:12:29,920 --> 02:12:30,960
or

3365
02:12:30,960 --> 02:12:33,760
any other issues before we take a vote

3366
02:12:33,760 --> 02:12:34,880
on

3367
02:12:34,880 --> 02:12:40,069
the pud

3368
02:12:40,079 --> 02:12:40,880
okay

3369
02:12:40,880 --> 02:12:41,920
so

3370
02:12:41,920 --> 02:12:44,159
i would like to discuss modifications

3371
02:12:44,159 --> 02:12:47,360
okay lisa

3372
02:12:47,360 --> 02:12:49,599
so you know i want you to know that i

3373
02:12:49,599 --> 02:12:51,360
hear the concerns of our community

3374
02:12:51,360 --> 02:12:52,880
voices

3375
02:12:52,880 --> 02:12:55,199
and i've intently considered the many

3376
02:12:55,199 --> 02:12:58,079
communications with a particular focus

3377
02:12:58,079 --> 02:13:00,320
on the environmental impact

3378
02:13:00,320 --> 02:13:02,480
the safety traffic impacts and most

3379
02:13:02,480 --> 02:13:03,760
recently

3380
02:13:03,760 --> 02:13:06,320
on a deep understanding of the financial

3381
02:13:06,320 --> 02:13:09,119
impact on the community

3382
02:13:09,119 --> 02:13:12,800
so yes affordable housing is important

3383
02:13:12,800 --> 02:13:15,440
as is overall in

3384
02:13:15,440 --> 02:13:18,320
economic growth to our community and i

3385
02:13:18,320 --> 02:13:20,719
ran on both of those platforms you know

3386
02:13:20,719 --> 02:13:23,840
both are important and i am considering

3387
02:13:23,840 --> 02:13:26,000
the economic integrity of our village

3388
02:13:26,000 --> 02:13:28,960
today into the and into the future i

3389
02:13:28,960 --> 02:13:32,320
appreciated mr dredd's comments that

3390
02:13:32,320 --> 02:13:34,960
these decisions will last long beyond my

3391
02:13:34,960 --> 02:13:37,520
time on council

3392
02:13:37,520 --> 02:13:39,280
i appreciate that there's some

3393
02:13:39,280 --> 02:13:42,400
allocation for affordable housing town

3394
02:13:42,400 --> 02:13:46,079
homes and duplexes yes and as i've heard

3395
02:13:46,079 --> 02:13:48,719
tonight the pud takes us in this

3396
02:13:48,719 --> 02:13:49,840
direction

3397
02:13:49,840 --> 02:13:51,840
however what we need

3398
02:13:51,840 --> 02:13:54,480
in affordable housing is apartments

3399
02:13:54,480 --> 02:13:57,599
and we can as a community get to those

3400
02:13:57,599 --> 02:13:58,800
goals

3401
02:13:58,800 --> 02:14:02,400
not on this property and the pud is not

3402
02:14:02,400 --> 02:14:05,119
sufficient to really hit those goals

3403
02:14:05,119 --> 02:14:07,920
and we've we've understood why because

3404
02:14:07,920 --> 02:14:10,840
of the cost and that sort of thing

3405
02:14:10,840 --> 02:14:14,079
so while i accept the findings of

3406
02:14:14,079 --> 02:14:15,920
planning commissions

3407
02:14:15,920 --> 02:14:19,119
i i don't agree that this pud fulfills

3408
02:14:19,119 --> 02:14:21,119
three elements of the requirements that

3409
02:14:21,119 --> 02:14:24,159
are important to me or perhaps i just

3410
02:14:24,159 --> 02:14:26,639
don't have sufficient information

3411
02:14:26,639 --> 02:14:28,400
and these are that it should be

3412
02:14:28,400 --> 02:14:31,040
consistent with a village vision

3413
02:14:31,040 --> 02:14:32,800
that it should integrate a complimentary

3414
02:14:32,800 --> 02:14:35,520
list of land types and that natural

3415
02:14:35,520 --> 02:14:38,560
features are preserved so tonight

3416
02:14:38,560 --> 02:14:41,840
i would ask that council table this vote

3417
02:14:41,840 --> 02:14:42,960
table

3418
02:14:42,960 --> 02:14:44,719
this vote

3419
02:14:44,719 --> 02:14:47,360
to explore three conditions

3420
02:14:47,360 --> 02:14:48,639
one

3421
02:14:48,639 --> 02:14:51,520
we do need housing stock yes

3422
02:14:51,520 --> 02:14:54,079
as a condition we should see an updated

3423
02:14:54,079 --> 02:14:55,280
site plan

3424
02:14:55,280 --> 02:14:57,840
that includes options of smaller homes

3425
02:14:57,840 --> 02:15:00,400
in the design mix these smaller houses

3426
02:15:00,400 --> 02:15:01,760
will meet the needs of our housing

3427
02:15:01,760 --> 02:15:05,119
analysis and add more affordable options

3428
02:15:05,119 --> 02:15:07,280
this is all about adding additional

3429
02:15:07,280 --> 02:15:10,079
levels of better priced housing

3430
02:15:10,079 --> 02:15:10,960
two

3431
02:15:10,960 --> 02:15:12,560
go back and look again at the

3432
02:15:12,560 --> 02:15:14,800
environmental analysis it might not be

3433
02:15:14,800 --> 02:15:16,880
what is called a phase two and i

3434
02:15:16,880 --> 02:15:19,119
understand that invoking a phase two

3435
02:15:19,119 --> 02:15:21,520
analysis is like a whole nother level of

3436
02:15:21,520 --> 02:15:22,480
hell

3437
02:15:22,480 --> 02:15:24,960
but there does seem to be additional

3438
02:15:24,960 --> 02:15:27,040
information that may have been

3439
02:15:27,040 --> 02:15:28,719
overlooked

3440
02:15:28,719 --> 02:15:31,599
and then third looking internally

3441
02:15:31,599 --> 02:15:33,199
to the village team

3442
02:15:33,199 --> 02:15:34,960
i want to thank the village team for

3443
02:15:34,960 --> 02:15:36,719
their work to date

3444
02:15:36,719 --> 02:15:38,960
and i still want to see

3445
02:15:38,960 --> 02:15:41,840
a better validated and

3446
02:15:41,840 --> 02:15:45,119
communicated cost-benefit analysis

3447
02:15:45,119 --> 02:15:48,560
of the pud versus no pud to the village

3448
02:15:48,560 --> 02:15:51,440
i agree this isn't a criteria for a pud

3449
02:15:51,440 --> 02:15:54,159
however looking inside to our team

3450
02:15:54,159 --> 02:15:56,639
it never hurts to have more scrutiny and

3451
02:15:56,639 --> 02:15:59,280
a more comprehensive understanding to

3452
02:15:59,280 --> 02:16:01,599
ensure that we have the best and most

3453
02:16:01,599 --> 02:16:04,400
accurate models josue has terrific

3454
02:16:04,400 --> 02:16:07,119
expertise so does our finance director

3455
02:16:07,119 --> 02:16:09,679
matt dillon and we may even have some

3456
02:16:09,679 --> 02:16:12,079
financial acumen to create a community

3457
02:16:12,079 --> 02:16:13,040
review

3458
02:16:13,040 --> 02:16:15,119
so again i thank the village team for

3459
02:16:15,119 --> 02:16:16,400
all their work

3460
02:16:16,400 --> 02:16:18,960
and i'm asking for more i call for a

3461
02:16:18,960 --> 02:16:21,360
rigorous and publicly visible analysis

3462
02:16:21,360 --> 02:16:23,760
of the cost and benefit to the village

3463
02:16:23,760 --> 02:16:26,880
as we go forward and if tabling isn't an

3464
02:16:26,880 --> 02:16:27,840
option

3465
02:16:27,840 --> 02:16:30,960
then i'm also ready to vote

3466
02:16:30,960 --> 02:16:33,679
thank you okay thanks lisa carmen did

3467
02:16:33,679 --> 02:16:34,719
you

3468
02:16:34,719 --> 02:16:37,599
have a comment

3469
02:16:37,599 --> 02:16:38,960
um

3470
02:16:38,960 --> 02:16:40,800
you know i think that

3471
02:16:40,800 --> 02:16:44,160
we need to move forward with a vote

3472
02:16:44,160 --> 02:16:46,479
um at this point it

3473
02:16:46,479 --> 02:16:47,599
is

3474
02:16:47,599 --> 02:16:50,160
uh important for

3475
02:16:50,160 --> 02:16:53,679
the village and for oberer

3476
02:16:53,679 --> 02:16:55,439
to

3477
02:16:55,439 --> 02:16:58,240
um move forward that's it

3478
02:16:58,240 --> 02:17:00,800
okay thanks carmen uh marianne did you

3479
02:17:00,800 --> 02:17:02,160
have anything you wanted to

3480
02:17:02,160 --> 02:17:04,160
say at this point

3481
02:17:04,160 --> 02:17:05,120
no

3482
02:17:05,120 --> 02:17:05,920
okay

3483
02:17:05,920 --> 02:17:08,160
um yeah i'm i guess i'm just gonna

3484
02:17:08,160 --> 02:17:10,639
reiterate that uh

3485
02:17:10,639 --> 02:17:12,719
i don't believe that

3486
02:17:12,719 --> 02:17:14,479
any level of

3487
02:17:14,479 --> 02:17:17,359
financial modeling is going to resolve

3488
02:17:17,359 --> 02:17:18,880
this issue of

3489
02:17:18,880 --> 02:17:20,080
what we're going to get in terms of

3490
02:17:20,080 --> 02:17:22,559
property and income tax um

3491
02:17:22,559 --> 02:17:24,319
and anybody that thinks they have that

3492
02:17:24,319 --> 02:17:27,040
crystal ball i i just don't believe it

3493
02:17:27,040 --> 02:17:28,719
and i've talked to a lot of people about

3494
02:17:28,719 --> 02:17:29,599
this

3495
02:17:29,599 --> 02:17:30,399
um

3496
02:17:30,399 --> 02:17:34,160
mostly i'm focused on the fact that um

3497
02:17:34,160 --> 02:17:35,840
we have two options

3498
02:17:35,840 --> 02:17:36,719
and

3499
02:17:36,719 --> 02:17:37,760
if we

3500
02:17:37,760 --> 02:17:40,639
decide not to go with the pud i think we

3501
02:17:40,639 --> 02:17:43,920
lose a lot i don't want to see

3502
02:17:43,920 --> 02:17:48,240
um 143 single-family homes only

3503
02:17:48,240 --> 02:17:51,280
and um i think denise did a very good

3504
02:17:51,280 --> 02:17:53,840
job of explaining not just meeting three

3505
02:17:53,840 --> 02:17:56,319
of the factors but meeting five of those

3506
02:17:56,319 --> 02:17:58,559
factors um

3507
02:17:58,559 --> 02:18:00,800
yes i agree that you know there's not

3508
02:18:00,800 --> 02:18:02,960
really a stream there but there are

3509
02:18:02,960 --> 02:18:05,599
other aspects of the forest and whatnot

3510
02:18:05,599 --> 02:18:08,800
what didn't come up in the videos and

3511
02:18:08,800 --> 02:18:11,359
other things was the fact that we have

3512
02:18:11,359 --> 02:18:13,519
23.4

3513
02:18:13,519 --> 02:18:14,800
open space

3514
02:18:14,800 --> 02:18:17,040
as opposed to you know the the minimum

3515
02:18:17,040 --> 02:18:18,559
15

3516
02:18:18,559 --> 02:18:19,519
um

3517
02:18:19,519 --> 02:18:22,160
but i do agree i think that a lot of

3518
02:18:22,160 --> 02:18:24,639
work's been done a lot a lot of analysis

3519
02:18:24,639 --> 02:18:27,359
has been done and so um

3520
02:18:27,359 --> 02:18:29,920
i also would like to see us

3521
02:18:29,920 --> 02:18:31,679
take a vote um

3522
02:18:31,679 --> 02:18:33,040
with that said

3523
02:18:33,040 --> 02:18:34,319
lisa i don't know if you want to make a

3524
02:18:34,319 --> 02:18:42,309
motion for a modification or

3525
02:18:42,319 --> 02:18:46,399
uh sure um i i make a motion for two

3526
02:18:46,399 --> 02:18:48,639
modifications

3527
02:18:48,639 --> 02:18:51,040
an updated site plan that includes

3528
02:18:51,040 --> 02:18:53,679
options of smaller houses in the design

3529
02:18:53,679 --> 02:18:55,679
mix

3530
02:18:55,679 --> 02:18:56,719
and

3531
02:18:56,719 --> 02:19:00,399
revisiting of the environmental analysis

3532
02:19:00,399 --> 02:19:01,280
okay

3533
02:19:01,280 --> 02:19:06,150
is there a second

3534
02:19:06,160 --> 02:19:09,200
okay i'm not hearing or seeing a second

3535
02:19:09,200 --> 02:19:12,639
um so i think the next step then is to

3536
02:19:12,639 --> 02:19:16,240
uh take our vote on uh the pud

3537
02:19:16,240 --> 02:19:17,599
and um

3538
02:19:17,599 --> 02:19:19,359
this will also be an opportunity for

3539
02:19:19,359 --> 02:19:22,639
each council member to articulate why

3540
02:19:22,639 --> 02:19:25,920
they're voting um and uh

3541
02:19:25,920 --> 02:19:27,679
judy i'll turn it to you to call the

3542
02:19:27,679 --> 02:19:30,870
role

3543
02:19:30,880 --> 02:19:33,509
all right

3544
02:19:33,519 --> 02:19:35,679
brown

3545
02:19:35,679 --> 02:19:38,549
yep

3546
02:19:38,559 --> 02:19:40,719
okay and did you want to say anything

3547
02:19:40,719 --> 02:19:44,960
about why it's a yes vote carmen or

3548
02:19:44,960 --> 02:19:47,280
oh yeah no i no

3549
02:19:47,280 --> 02:19:51,349
okay okay

3550
02:19:51,359 --> 02:19:53,359
krieger

3551
02:19:53,359 --> 02:19:56,640
no for the reasons

3552
02:19:56,640 --> 02:19:59,359
thank you mcqueen

3553
02:19:59,359 --> 02:20:04,960
i'm i'm voting yes and um

3554
02:20:04,960 --> 02:20:08,319
truly sorry that um

3555
02:20:08,319 --> 02:20:11,439
this has been um well what i i think of

3556
02:20:11,439 --> 02:20:14,560
as a huge misunderstanding by a lot of

3557
02:20:14,560 --> 02:20:16,479
in the community about what's possible

3558
02:20:16,479 --> 02:20:18,640
and what isn't possible on the other

3559
02:20:18,640 --> 02:20:21,600
hand i am very heartened to know

3560
02:20:21,600 --> 02:20:24,640
how much passion there is about the

3561
02:20:24,640 --> 02:20:27,439
community and about housing and i really

3562
02:20:27,439 --> 02:20:29,359
look forward to looking

3563
02:20:29,359 --> 02:20:31,600
to working with all of the people who

3564
02:20:31,600 --> 02:20:33,439
have this passion

3565
02:20:33,439 --> 02:20:36,479
on another project that we can actually

3566
02:20:36,479 --> 02:20:38,240
plan together

3567
02:20:38,240 --> 02:20:39,520
that

3568
02:20:39,520 --> 02:20:41,359
either on the glass farm property that

3569
02:20:41,359 --> 02:20:44,560
the village owns or coming together and

3570
02:20:44,560 --> 02:20:47,040
purchasing a property that can meet some

3571
02:20:47,040 --> 02:20:50,080
more of the community needs that we have

3572
02:20:50,080 --> 02:20:52,800
having been in the community for 50

3573
02:20:52,800 --> 02:20:54,399
years

3574
02:20:54,399 --> 02:20:56,560
i've had a chance to

3575
02:20:56,560 --> 02:20:59,359
i know that life doesn't follow in a

3576
02:20:59,359 --> 02:21:01,359
straight line and there are all sorts of

3577
02:21:01,359 --> 02:21:03,120
things that can happen

3578
02:21:03,120 --> 02:21:06,160
and while this isn't necessarily

3579
02:21:06,160 --> 02:21:09,200
what i would design as a a project

3580
02:21:09,200 --> 02:21:12,880
i actually have a fair amount of hope

3581
02:21:12,880 --> 02:21:14,640
and can

3582
02:21:14,640 --> 02:21:21,990
see some positive outcomes

3583
02:21:22,000 --> 02:21:24,790
thank you

3584
02:21:24,800 --> 02:21:26,880
so i want to preface my vote by saying

3585
02:21:26,880 --> 02:21:28,160
that um

3586
02:21:28,160 --> 02:21:31,200
although some may feel that i haven't

3587
02:21:31,200 --> 02:21:34,000
listened um that is the one reason that

3588
02:21:34,000 --> 02:21:38,160
i believe i continue to be on council

3589
02:21:38,160 --> 02:21:40,720
is that i listen to all voices

3590
02:21:40,720 --> 02:21:43,200
i do my best to balance all interest in

3591
02:21:43,200 --> 02:21:44,399
the community

3592
02:21:44,399 --> 02:21:47,040
i think a lot about um

3593
02:21:47,040 --> 02:21:49,600
what is factual

3594
02:21:49,600 --> 02:21:51,280
what is opinion

3595
02:21:51,280 --> 02:21:55,280
um uh what motivations are and then try

3596
02:21:55,280 --> 02:21:56,640
to come up with the best decision

3597
02:21:56,640 --> 02:21:57,840
possible

3598
02:21:57,840 --> 02:22:00,640
i understand um that

3599
02:22:00,640 --> 02:22:03,280
you know like many have said that if i

3600
02:22:03,280 --> 02:22:06,000
own the property and and i had the

3601
02:22:06,000 --> 02:22:08,560
ability to design it that um i would do

3602
02:22:08,560 --> 02:22:10,720
differently like many would

3603
02:22:10,720 --> 02:22:13,439
um but i also understand that under our

3604
02:22:13,439 --> 02:22:16,399
existing zoning um

3605
02:22:16,399 --> 02:22:19,520
we have to make decisions in that regard

3606
02:22:19,520 --> 02:22:20,840
and

3607
02:22:20,840 --> 02:22:23,439
um i guess the last thing i want to say

3608
02:22:23,439 --> 02:22:26,479
with my vote is that i am committed to

3609
02:22:26,479 --> 02:22:29,520
um doing a deep dive on our zoning and

3610
02:22:29,520 --> 02:22:32,080
also looking at the opportunities for

3611
02:22:32,080 --> 02:22:34,160
affordable rentals and everything else

3612
02:22:34,160 --> 02:22:37,280
with some of the property that um

3613
02:22:37,280 --> 02:22:38,640
there's actually a piece of property

3614
02:22:38,640 --> 02:22:40,720
that's coming back to the village that

3615
02:22:40,720 --> 02:22:42,479
is going to be ideal

3616
02:22:42,479 --> 02:22:44,319
and so there are a lot of different just

3617
02:22:44,319 --> 02:22:46,000
different things that i'm thinking about

3618
02:22:46,000 --> 02:22:47,680
and this discussion has really brought

3619
02:22:47,680 --> 02:22:49,520
all that together

3620
02:22:49,520 --> 02:22:50,960
and i hope that

3621
02:22:50,960 --> 02:22:52,000
um

3622
02:22:52,000 --> 02:22:54,479
it doesn't have to remain divisive um

3623
02:22:54,479 --> 02:22:55,840
we've dealt with a lot of things in the

3624
02:22:55,840 --> 02:22:58,880
past that uh with levy and everything

3625
02:22:58,880 --> 02:23:01,439
that um i hope we can get beyond and

3626
02:23:01,439 --> 02:23:04,080
truly work together um

3627
02:23:04,080 --> 02:23:04,880
to

3628
02:23:04,880 --> 02:23:06,479
benefit everyone in the village and so

3629
02:23:06,479 --> 02:23:08,399
with that i am going to vote yes for the

3630
02:23:08,399 --> 02:23:09,600
pud

3631
02:23:09,600 --> 02:23:11,200
pardon

3632
02:23:11,200 --> 02:23:13,680
yes can you hear me yes

3633
02:23:13,680 --> 02:23:15,600
so it's no

3634
02:23:15,600 --> 02:23:19,600
i'm gonna post the pud and i

3635
02:23:19,600 --> 02:23:23,439
just wanted to make sure that we were

3636
02:23:23,439 --> 02:23:24,399
um

3637
02:23:24,399 --> 02:23:26,960
voting on that so the answer is no on

3638
02:23:26,960 --> 02:23:28,080
the pud

3639
02:23:28,080 --> 02:23:30,160
okay and did you want to explain your

3640
02:23:30,160 --> 02:23:32,000
did you want to explain your vote carmen

3641
02:23:32,000 --> 02:23:34,399
um well because it's

3642
02:23:34,399 --> 02:23:35,920
like as far as my constituents are

3643
02:23:35,920 --> 02:23:38,319
concerned

3644
02:23:38,319 --> 02:23:39,439
um

3645
02:23:39,439 --> 02:23:41,200
with the issue of affordable housing

3646
02:23:41,200 --> 02:23:42,720
it's not

3647
02:23:42,720 --> 02:23:44,640
and i understand that ober is not here

3648
02:23:44,640 --> 02:23:46,640
in town to

3649
02:23:46,640 --> 02:23:48,160
um

3650
02:23:48,160 --> 02:23:51,760
provide us with affordable housing

3651
02:23:51,760 --> 02:23:52,880
and

3652
02:23:52,880 --> 02:23:54,880
there are some issues that i have with

3653
02:23:54,880 --> 02:23:57,359
the comprehensive land use agreement

3654
02:23:57,359 --> 02:24:01,520
that don't jive with it

3655
02:24:01,520 --> 02:24:02,399
um

3656
02:24:02,399 --> 02:24:03,280
and

3657
02:24:03,280 --> 02:24:05,830
that

3658
02:24:05,840 --> 02:24:07,439
you know the workers in this village

3659
02:24:07,439 --> 02:24:09,680
people who want to live here

3660
02:24:09,680 --> 02:24:16,550
this is not affordable for them

3661
02:24:16,560 --> 02:24:19,750
okay

3662
02:24:19,760 --> 02:24:23,840
all right

3663
02:24:23,840 --> 02:24:25,439
judy or brienne do you need anything

3664
02:24:25,439 --> 02:24:27,920
else before we move on to the next uh

3665
02:24:27,920 --> 02:24:30,240
legislation i do not but i'll just

3666
02:24:30,240 --> 02:24:32,319
clarify since it might not be apparent

3667
02:24:32,319 --> 02:24:34,800
to some folks if that means that the uh

3668
02:24:34,800 --> 02:24:36,560
vote fails

3669
02:24:36,560 --> 02:24:38,080
okay

3670
02:24:38,080 --> 02:24:40,960
all right so next up we've got ordnance

3671
02:24:40,960 --> 02:24:42,960
202203

3672
02:24:42,960 --> 02:24:44,720
and judy we can read that in by title

3673
02:24:44,720 --> 02:24:47,030
only

3674
02:24:47,040 --> 02:24:51,200
oh there's more legislation sorry

3675
02:24:51,200 --> 02:24:52,720
see

3676
02:24:52,720 --> 02:24:54,880
repealing old chapter 288 arts and

3677
02:24:54,880 --> 02:24:56,640
culture commission of title viii boards

3678
02:24:56,640 --> 02:24:57,760
and commissions of part two

3679
02:24:57,760 --> 02:24:59,760
administration code of the codified

3680
02:24:59,760 --> 02:25:00,880
ordinances of the village of yellow

3681
02:25:00,880 --> 02:25:02,560
springs ohio and enacting new chapter

3682
02:25:02,560 --> 02:25:05,760
288 public arts and culture commission

3683
02:25:05,760 --> 02:25:09,590
all right can i get a motion

3684
02:25:09,600 --> 02:25:12,309
i move

3685
02:25:12,319 --> 02:25:14,790
second

3686
02:25:14,800 --> 02:25:16,880
okay um i don't think there's much

3687
02:25:16,880 --> 02:25:19,040
discussion here we're changing the name

3688
02:25:19,040 --> 02:25:19,920
um

3689
02:25:19,920 --> 02:25:24,960
to uh add public uh for clarity

3690
02:25:24,960 --> 02:25:27,200
so uh does anyone have any questions or

3691
02:25:27,200 --> 02:25:28,640
comments

3692
02:25:28,640 --> 02:25:30,080
oh i'm sorry

3693
02:25:30,080 --> 02:25:32,720
uh open the public hearing um any

3694
02:25:32,720 --> 02:25:35,280
questions or comments before we

3695
02:25:35,280 --> 02:25:39,750
uh close the public hearing

3696
02:25:39,760 --> 02:25:41,280
all right i'm going to close the public

3697
02:25:41,280 --> 02:25:44,000
hearing then and judy if you can call

3698
02:25:44,000 --> 02:25:45,200
the role please

3699
02:25:45,200 --> 02:25:47,359
yes krieger

3700
02:25:47,359 --> 02:25:49,680
yes thanks council

3701
02:25:49,680 --> 02:25:50,800
stokes

3702
02:25:50,800 --> 02:25:59,760
yes

3703
02:25:59,760 --> 02:26:00,880
thank you

3704
02:26:00,880 --> 02:26:02,160
mcqueen

3705
02:26:02,160 --> 02:26:04,800
yes

3706
02:26:04,800 --> 02:26:08,399
thank you okay uh next up we've got the

3707
02:26:08,399 --> 02:26:12,319
first reading of ordinance 2022.04

3708
02:26:12,319 --> 02:26:14,240
and judy we can do that by title only as

3709
02:26:14,240 --> 02:26:15,200
well

3710
02:26:15,200 --> 02:26:17,920
okay this is the 2022 first quarter

3711
02:26:17,920 --> 02:26:19,439
supplemental appropriations and

3712
02:26:19,439 --> 02:26:21,439
declaring an emergency village of yellow

3713
02:26:21,439 --> 02:26:23,760
springs ohio so this is a one read

3714
02:26:23,760 --> 02:26:25,840
emergency ordinance

3715
02:26:25,840 --> 02:26:26,960
okay

3716
02:26:26,960 --> 02:26:30,070
um can i get a motion

3717
02:26:30,080 --> 02:26:31,439
second

3718
02:26:31,439 --> 02:26:32,560
all right

3719
02:26:32,560 --> 02:26:34,560
um so let's go ahead and open the public

3720
02:26:34,560 --> 02:26:37,840
hearing and um

3721
02:26:37,840 --> 02:26:42,790
is matt dillon talking about this

3722
02:26:42,800 --> 02:26:48,230
correct brian

3723
02:26:48,240 --> 02:26:49,680
all right yeah so uh with the

3724
02:26:49,680 --> 02:26:51,840
supplemental we have a request for an

3725
02:26:51,840 --> 02:26:54,560
additional 724 thousand dollars

3726
02:26:54,560 --> 02:26:58,399
uh 320 the 348 000 is related to the

3727
02:26:58,399 --> 02:27:00,720
general fund and i'll go ahead and break

3728
02:27:00,720 --> 02:27:02,880
this down as follows

3729
02:27:02,880 --> 02:27:06,080
238 000 are related to

3730
02:27:06,080 --> 02:27:08,399
supplemental needs within lawson place

3731
02:27:08,399 --> 02:27:10,080
apartments

3732
02:27:10,080 --> 02:27:11,359
50 000

3733
02:27:11,359 --> 02:27:12,560
related to

3734
02:27:12,560 --> 02:27:14,479
transfers out to capital to satisfy our

3735
02:27:14,479 --> 02:27:16,720
budgeted needs

3736
02:27:16,720 --> 02:27:19,120
and forty thousand dollars related to a

3737
02:27:19,120 --> 02:27:21,520
this is a net neutral uh shift in the

3738
02:27:21,520 --> 02:27:23,680
salary allocations to

3739
02:27:23,680 --> 02:27:24,560
uh

3740
02:27:24,560 --> 02:27:26,880
um to the general fund uh mostly in a

3741
02:27:26,880 --> 02:27:30,319
reduction from from the electric fund

3742
02:27:30,319 --> 02:27:32,399
and in addition we have two uh

3743
02:27:32,399 --> 02:27:34,080
unforeseen needs

3744
02:27:34,080 --> 02:27:35,280
related to

3745
02:27:35,280 --> 02:27:37,760
one is twelve thousand dollars

3746
02:27:37,760 --> 02:27:39,439
uh twelve thousand five hundred related

3747
02:27:39,439 --> 02:27:42,080
to the revcord system upgrade uh this is

3748
02:27:42,080 --> 02:27:44,399
for the dispatch systems

3749
02:27:44,399 --> 02:27:46,800
and is a communication system that that

3750
02:27:46,800 --> 02:27:49,760
is vital to the dispatch system

3751
02:27:49,760 --> 02:27:52,240
and uh seven thousand dollars related to

3752
02:27:52,240 --> 02:27:55,280
a asset value valuation

3753
02:27:55,280 --> 02:27:58,640
um for invoice o to c biz

3754
02:27:58,640 --> 02:28:00,880
that is the the general fund that makes

3755
02:28:00,880 --> 02:28:03,520
up 348 000

3756
02:28:03,520 --> 02:28:06,240
uh with the enterprises we're asking for

3757
02:28:06,240 --> 02:28:08,120
a supplemental budget of

3758
02:28:08,120 --> 02:28:12,800
375 000. 98 dollars net need to the

3759
02:28:12,800 --> 02:28:16,960
electric fund 150 of 150 000

3760
02:28:16,960 --> 02:28:19,680
of this need is related to the power

3761
02:28:19,680 --> 02:28:22,240
cost for our aep solar farm

3762
02:28:22,240 --> 02:28:25,280
or solar field um that's owed to aep

3763
02:28:25,280 --> 02:28:27,359
uh fifteen thousand dollars

3764
02:28:27,359 --> 02:28:29,680
is related to a new transformer we have

3765
02:28:29,680 --> 02:28:32,000
received a reimbursement for that that

3766
02:28:32,000 --> 02:28:34,080
cost but uh would need to appropriate

3767
02:28:34,080 --> 02:28:36,399
that through the expense budget

3768
02:28:36,399 --> 02:28:37,520
and uh

3769
02:28:37,520 --> 02:28:40,319
this is all netted out with shifts away

3770
02:28:40,319 --> 02:28:42,160
from the electric fund

3771
02:28:42,160 --> 02:28:46,000
due to personnel needs in other areas

3772
02:28:46,000 --> 02:28:48,160
in addition to the electric fund needs

3773
02:28:48,160 --> 02:28:51,439
we also have a 213 thousand dollar need

3774
02:28:51,439 --> 02:28:53,760
related to the water fund this is for an

3775
02:28:53,760 --> 02:28:55,520
additional payment for

3776
02:28:55,520 --> 02:28:59,600
the ohio public works in our ohio ohio

3777
02:28:59,600 --> 02:29:02,240
water development association loan

3778
02:29:02,240 --> 02:29:03,840
these are really just more of an

3779
02:29:03,840 --> 02:29:06,160
accounting treatment to catch up to the

3780
02:29:06,160 --> 02:29:08,240
invoice dates as opposed to the payment

3781
02:29:08,240 --> 02:29:09,439
dates due

3782
02:29:09,439 --> 02:29:10,479
and

3783
02:29:10,479 --> 02:29:12,720
previously we've we've gone on paying

3784
02:29:12,720 --> 02:29:14,880
them based on

3785
02:29:14,880 --> 02:29:15,600
uh

3786
02:29:15,600 --> 02:29:17,040
the date of the payment so this is

3787
02:29:17,040 --> 02:29:18,560
really just a catch up and more of an

3788
02:29:18,560 --> 02:29:21,520
accounting purposes

3789
02:29:21,520 --> 02:29:23,359
requests as opposed to a new need

3790
02:29:23,359 --> 02:29:25,200
related to these loans

3791
02:29:25,200 --> 02:29:26,720
and um

3792
02:29:26,720 --> 02:29:29,040
in regards to the sewer fund we have a

3793
02:29:29,040 --> 02:29:31,439
request for 64 000

3794
02:29:31,439 --> 02:29:34,479
uh this is again related to the

3795
02:29:34,479 --> 02:29:37,439
an additional payment for our owda in

3796
02:29:37,439 --> 02:29:39,040
ohio public

3797
02:29:39,040 --> 02:29:40,800
works collaboration

3798
02:29:40,800 --> 02:29:43,200
loans um for infrastructure

3799
02:29:43,200 --> 02:29:45,120
as well as thirty thousand dollars in

3800
02:29:45,120 --> 02:29:47,920
salary shifts uh related to

3801
02:29:47,920 --> 02:29:50,880
um uh where personnel is currently

3802
02:29:50,880 --> 02:29:53,760
working on and uh charging those funds

3803
02:29:53,760 --> 02:29:56,160
appropriately

3804
02:29:56,160 --> 02:29:58,560
i would like to add something uh brian

3805
02:29:58,560 --> 02:30:00,479
on the last place apartment you're gonna

3806
02:30:00,479 --> 02:30:02,160
see that high number and that's due

3807
02:30:02,160 --> 02:30:04,800
because we closed on the property and

3808
02:30:04,800 --> 02:30:07,520
this year in 2022 so we're shifting that

3809
02:30:07,520 --> 02:30:09,600
expenditure over to

3810
02:30:09,600 --> 02:30:11,600
year 2022

3811
02:30:11,600 --> 02:30:13,760
so that's why you're seeing that that uh

3812
02:30:13,760 --> 02:30:16,240
higher amount under loss in place what

3813
02:30:16,240 --> 02:30:18,560
also is included in that amount is the

3814
02:30:18,560 --> 02:30:20,399
mortgage payment utility payment

3815
02:30:20,399 --> 02:30:22,960
insurance and all the operating costs

3816
02:30:22,960 --> 02:30:24,800
that in order for us to spend that money

3817
02:30:24,800 --> 02:30:27,280
we have to have it appropriated in the

3818
02:30:27,280 --> 02:30:29,040
budget

3819
02:30:29,040 --> 02:30:31,600
and the revenue streams will come

3820
02:30:31,600 --> 02:30:32,880
through as part of the payment

3821
02:30:32,880 --> 02:30:34,880
collections as a separate items on our

3822
02:30:34,880 --> 02:30:37,120
revenues so i just wanted to provide

3823
02:30:37,120 --> 02:30:39,920
some clarity on on that

3824
02:30:39,920 --> 02:30:42,560
all right thank you josue uh any

3825
02:30:42,560 --> 02:30:48,309
questions or comments from council

3826
02:30:48,319 --> 02:30:49,600
okay if not i'm going to close the

3827
02:30:49,600 --> 02:30:50,960
public hearing and judy if you could

3828
02:30:50,960 --> 02:30:53,760
call the role please

3829
02:30:53,760 --> 02:30:56,560
yes mcqueen

3830
02:30:56,560 --> 02:30:57,680
brown

3831
02:30:57,680 --> 02:30:58,479
yes

3832
02:30:58,479 --> 02:31:02,080
stokes yes krieger

3833
02:31:02,080 --> 02:31:05,680
yes

3834
02:31:05,680 --> 02:31:06,960
thank you

3835
02:31:06,960 --> 02:31:08,720
all right next up we've got resolution

3836
02:31:08,720 --> 02:31:10,319
20 22

3837
02:31:10,319 --> 02:31:11,120
10

3838
02:31:11,120 --> 02:31:14,240
and we can read that in by title only

3839
02:31:14,240 --> 02:31:16,000
this is approving the purchase of a

3840
02:31:16,000 --> 02:31:18,000
sludge press

3841
02:31:18,000 --> 02:31:23,590
all right can i get a motion

3842
02:31:23,600 --> 02:31:24,960
second

3843
02:31:24,960 --> 02:31:27,040
all right um

3844
02:31:27,040 --> 02:31:29,040
josue are you talking about this this is

3845
02:31:29,040 --> 02:31:31,359
me that's the kind of enthusiasm i was

3846
02:31:31,359 --> 02:31:33,680
hoping for yes

3847
02:31:33,680 --> 02:31:36,640
all right so sledge press i want to take

3848
02:31:36,640 --> 02:31:38,640
you back in time to

3849
02:31:38,640 --> 02:31:42,080
september 8th to 2020 when we were

3850
02:31:42,080 --> 02:31:44,399
pulling out of uh renergie and we did

3851
02:31:44,399 --> 02:31:46,080
not know what we were going to do with

3852
02:31:46,080 --> 02:31:48,560
all of our biosolids i'm sure there's

3853
02:31:48,560 --> 02:31:50,479
other ways to describe the biosolids but

3854
02:31:50,479 --> 02:31:53,600
we found ourselves in a bit of a pile so

3855
02:31:53,600 --> 02:31:55,760
we went on an exploratory process at the

3856
02:31:55,760 --> 02:31:57,680
time we thought it was going to be more

3857
02:31:57,680 --> 02:32:00,080
costly to move away from energy and just

3858
02:32:00,080 --> 02:32:02,479
background renergie is that company just

3859
02:32:02,479 --> 02:32:04,960
outside of town that took or biosolids

3860
02:32:04,960 --> 02:32:07,520
as a liquid and they did some fancy

3861
02:32:07,520 --> 02:32:09,520
stuff with it to turn it into energy and

3862
02:32:09,520 --> 02:32:10,880
in that process

3863
02:32:10,880 --> 02:32:12,800
they've upset a lot of a lot of

3864
02:32:12,800 --> 02:32:13,920
neighbors

3865
02:32:13,920 --> 02:32:15,840
uh anyway so we pulled out of energy

3866
02:32:15,840 --> 02:32:18,319
we're unsure what what all the financial

3867
02:32:18,319 --> 02:32:19,840
impact would be

3868
02:32:19,840 --> 02:32:22,640
so we proposed two options an on-site

3869
02:32:22,640 --> 02:32:25,760
sled on-site sludge press and removal

3870
02:32:25,760 --> 02:32:28,319
and then we would deliver it to

3871
02:32:28,319 --> 02:32:29,840
landfills

3872
02:32:29,840 --> 02:32:31,520
brown county landfill was one of them we

3873
02:32:31,520 --> 02:32:33,200
were already we already had an energy

3874
02:32:33,200 --> 02:32:35,359
contract with them or we could apply it

3875
02:32:35,359 --> 02:32:37,600
locally we had permits that we could

3876
02:32:37,600 --> 02:32:41,120
apply the biosolids on farmlands um we

3877
02:32:41,120 --> 02:32:42,720
thought that that might be hit or miss

3878
02:32:42,720 --> 02:32:45,200
with the popularity with our neighbors

3879
02:32:45,200 --> 02:32:47,359
but that was an option the other piece

3880
02:32:47,359 --> 02:32:50,080
was outsourcing biosolids removal at the

3881
02:32:50,080 --> 02:32:53,040
time we had a mobile press

3882
02:32:53,040 --> 02:32:55,200
lined up to haul any additional

3883
02:32:55,200 --> 02:32:57,600
biosolids we tried that out for some

3884
02:32:57,600 --> 02:33:00,160
time it was very expensive

3885
02:33:00,160 --> 02:33:02,800
whether they're landfill options

3886
02:33:02,800 --> 02:33:04,240
i think carbon's really excited about

3887
02:33:04,240 --> 02:33:05,120
this

3888
02:33:05,120 --> 02:33:07,760
biogas generation of brown at brown

3889
02:33:07,760 --> 02:33:09,200
county landfill

3890
02:33:09,200 --> 02:33:10,880
so we center by outside of there they

3891
02:33:10,880 --> 02:33:13,120
have a landfill which collects the

3892
02:33:13,120 --> 02:33:16,960
landfill gas that goes into wells then

3893
02:33:16,960 --> 02:33:18,960
gas extraction which gets burned off

3894
02:33:18,960 --> 02:33:21,280
using gas engines and it generates

3895
02:33:21,280 --> 02:33:23,680
electricity and it comes back to us so

3896
02:33:23,680 --> 02:33:25,439
that's one of the landfill options we're

3897
02:33:25,439 --> 02:33:26,720
looking at

3898
02:33:26,720 --> 02:33:29,840
and we've continued using that model so

3899
02:33:29,840 --> 02:33:32,399
this is a map of the lan application

3900
02:33:32,399 --> 02:33:34,080
approved sites that we had those are

3901
02:33:34,080 --> 02:33:36,720
everything on blue that we could apply

3902
02:33:36,720 --> 02:33:39,040
or buy at solids on we did again we

3903
02:33:39,040 --> 02:33:41,120
didn't go that route

3904
02:33:41,120 --> 02:33:44,319
we went with the onsite sludge press

3905
02:33:44,319 --> 02:33:46,640
this is what tomato plants that grow

3906
02:33:46,640 --> 02:33:48,960
under biosolids look like

3907
02:33:48,960 --> 02:33:51,760
this is a brad he he i was impressed

3908
02:33:51,760 --> 02:33:53,359
with his uh

3909
02:33:53,359 --> 02:33:55,439
skills of playing in this stuff and

3910
02:33:55,439 --> 02:33:57,600
looking at the tomato plants but you

3911
02:33:57,600 --> 02:33:59,600
know biosolids are that good that they

3912
02:33:59,600 --> 02:34:02,080
they were growing tomato plants so after

3913
02:34:02,080 --> 02:34:03,359
all of this

3914
02:34:03,359 --> 02:34:05,280
we pursued this avenue we thought it was

3915
02:34:05,280 --> 02:34:07,280
going to be more expensive we're

3916
02:34:07,280 --> 02:34:09,040
pleasantly surprised that through this

3917
02:34:09,040 --> 02:34:10,880
extensive process

3918
02:34:10,880 --> 02:34:12,319
the

3919
02:34:12,319 --> 02:34:14,880
on-site sludge press

3920
02:34:14,880 --> 02:34:16,800
and pressing on site and delivering to

3921
02:34:16,800 --> 02:34:19,520
brown county landfill has resulted in

3922
02:34:19,520 --> 02:34:21,359
solving a problem that we have while

3923
02:34:21,359 --> 02:34:22,319
also

3924
02:34:22,319 --> 02:34:25,840
saving us money how much you may ask

3925
02:34:25,840 --> 02:34:29,439
looking at the total expense for 2021 of

3926
02:34:29,439 --> 02:34:32,479
uh renting the machine where 82 000 um

3927
02:34:32,479 --> 02:34:34,960
hauling to energy would have cost us uh

3928
02:34:34,960 --> 02:34:37,359
80 000. so that price point is just a

3929
02:34:37,359 --> 02:34:40,000
little bit higher but we're looking at

3930
02:34:40,000 --> 02:34:43,280
the in the 82 000 it includes the rental

3931
02:34:43,280 --> 02:34:45,840
of the of the machine if we buy the

3932
02:34:45,840 --> 02:34:47,439
machine which is what you're voting on

3933
02:34:47,439 --> 02:34:50,200
now we would buy the machine

3934
02:34:50,200 --> 02:34:52,240
156 000

3935
02:34:52,240 --> 02:34:54,880
we won't have that rental expense that's

3936
02:34:54,880 --> 02:34:57,439
going to save us 21

3937
02:34:57,439 --> 02:34:59,760
hundred and seven dollars on an annual

3938
02:34:59,760 --> 02:35:02,319
basis because we won't have a rental

3939
02:35:02,319 --> 02:35:04,880
expense uh we will own the machine so

3940
02:35:04,880 --> 02:35:07,200
this machine would have a return on

3941
02:35:07,200 --> 02:35:09,200
investment or we'll break even or make

3942
02:35:09,200 --> 02:35:11,359
our money back in seven to eight years

3943
02:35:11,359 --> 02:35:12,880
in savings

3944
02:35:12,880 --> 02:35:15,920
so this this uh resolution before you

3945
02:35:15,920 --> 02:35:17,280
does two things

3946
02:35:17,280 --> 02:35:19,840
it it helps ensure the continuation of

3947
02:35:19,840 --> 02:35:22,479
dealing with biosolids in a responsible

3948
02:35:22,479 --> 02:35:26,560
and economic way and it also uh has a a

3949
02:35:26,560 --> 02:35:28,479
return investment where the money that

3950
02:35:28,479 --> 02:35:30,479
you put into allowing us to buy this

3951
02:35:30,479 --> 02:35:32,960
press machine will make back in seven to

3952
02:35:32,960 --> 02:35:35,280
eight years in the machine with good

3953
02:35:35,280 --> 02:35:37,439
care it can live for another 20 years

3954
02:35:37,439 --> 02:35:39,760
johnny is online he can talk a bit more

3955
02:35:39,760 --> 02:35:42,000
detail on how the how the gears and all

3956
02:35:42,000 --> 02:35:43,840
that stuff work it's some really fancy

3957
02:35:43,840 --> 02:35:45,120
stuff

3958
02:35:45,120 --> 02:35:46,720
and we're excited that we found the

3959
02:35:46,720 --> 02:35:47,920
solution

3960
02:35:47,920 --> 02:35:50,560
so i asked for your authorization to

3961
02:35:50,560 --> 02:35:55,190
buy this machine

3962
02:35:55,200 --> 02:35:57,920
okay thanks josue uh are there any

3963
02:35:57,920 --> 02:35:59,680
questions or comments from council

3964
02:35:59,680 --> 02:36:01,439
members

3965
02:36:01,439 --> 02:36:03,920
yeah so what is the life expectancy

3966
02:36:03,920 --> 02:36:06,160
josue

3967
02:36:06,160 --> 02:36:07,680
johnny

3968
02:36:07,680 --> 02:36:13,270
you want to take that

3969
02:36:13,280 --> 02:36:14,880
are you there

3970
02:36:14,880 --> 02:36:18,720
yes so the life expectancy marianne this

3971
02:36:18,720 --> 02:36:22,000
was completely rebuilt when we got it so

3972
02:36:22,000 --> 02:36:24,160
as long as we do our maintenance and

3973
02:36:24,160 --> 02:36:25,200
upkeep

3974
02:36:25,200 --> 02:36:28,240
uh the life expectancy is as good as the

3975
02:36:28,240 --> 02:36:30,640
motors that are on it so i'm figuring

3976
02:36:30,640 --> 02:36:31,840
you know as long as we do our

3977
02:36:31,840 --> 02:36:33,439
maintenance we're

3978
02:36:33,439 --> 02:36:36,640
20 to 30 years and we have to do motor

3979
02:36:36,640 --> 02:36:38,000
maintenance

3980
02:36:38,000 --> 02:36:40,080
but this one was completely rebuilt

3981
02:36:40,080 --> 02:36:42,000
before we took it upon rent and it had

3982
02:36:42,000 --> 02:36:43,680
already been in place for

3983
02:36:43,680 --> 02:36:46,319
20 years so it's got brand new motors

3984
02:36:46,319 --> 02:36:48,399
we had to replace the conveyor belt on

3985
02:36:48,399 --> 02:36:52,240
it this year due to a snagging the thing

3986
02:36:52,240 --> 02:36:57,670
but we got that taken care of

3987
02:36:57,680 --> 02:36:58,720
okay

3988
02:36:58,720 --> 02:37:03,990
anything else

3989
02:37:04,000 --> 02:37:07,200
right if not then um

3990
02:37:07,200 --> 02:37:09,359
gee if you can call the roll please

3991
02:37:09,359 --> 02:37:12,000
yes stokes

3992
02:37:12,000 --> 02:37:13,200
brown

3993
02:37:13,200 --> 02:37:14,080
yes

3994
02:37:14,080 --> 02:37:15,359
the queen

3995
02:37:15,359 --> 02:37:16,319
yes

3996
02:37:16,319 --> 02:37:17,840
krieger

3997
02:37:17,840 --> 02:37:20,880
yes

3998
02:37:20,880 --> 02:37:22,560
thank you

3999
02:37:22,560 --> 02:37:23,680
okay

4000
02:37:23,680 --> 02:37:26,800
uh next up or last up is resolution 20

4001
02:37:26,800 --> 02:37:28,960
22 11.

4002
02:37:28,960 --> 02:37:31,359
and we can also do that by title only

4003
02:37:31,359 --> 02:37:33,200
all right this is authorizing payment of

4004
02:37:33,200 --> 02:37:35,200
invoices with then announce certificate

4005
02:37:35,200 --> 02:37:38,160
for the first quarter of 2022.

4006
02:37:38,160 --> 02:37:40,880
can i get a motion

4007
02:37:40,880 --> 02:37:42,560
second

4008
02:37:42,560 --> 02:37:44,720
all right matt dillon

4009
02:37:44,720 --> 02:37:46,479
brian if i may start with that because

4010
02:37:46,479 --> 02:37:48,080
you know part of this is is you know i

4011
02:37:48,080 --> 02:37:50,560
like to take ownership for when i screw

4012
02:37:50,560 --> 02:37:52,080
up and uh

4013
02:37:52,080 --> 02:37:54,560
one of these is a screw-up i made i we

4014
02:37:54,560 --> 02:37:56,960
we were looking to value all of our

4015
02:37:56,960 --> 02:37:59,920
infrastructure assets and we had engaged

4016
02:37:59,920 --> 02:38:02,560
c biz in a work and somewhere along the

4017
02:38:02,560 --> 02:38:07,280
line we missed a creating appeal so um

4018
02:38:07,280 --> 02:38:09,600
that's why why you had this dinner now

4019
02:38:09,600 --> 02:38:12,080
we in my two years and a half of being

4020
02:38:12,080 --> 02:38:14,800
in the organization we've avoided

4021
02:38:14,800 --> 02:38:16,240
dinner nows

4022
02:38:16,240 --> 02:38:18,800
so this is my first one and i don't i

4023
02:38:18,800 --> 02:38:20,000
hope that they're not a common

4024
02:38:20,000 --> 02:38:21,359
occurrence

4025
02:38:21,359 --> 02:38:25,030
so i wanted to pre-phase that

4026
02:38:25,040 --> 02:38:28,000
and so that's that's 6 300 but we wanted

4027
02:38:28,000 --> 02:38:30,399
to take the opportunity and catch up on

4028
02:38:30,399 --> 02:38:32,800
a couple things one is this irs

4029
02:38:32,800 --> 02:38:34,960
outstanding bill and let matt get to it

4030
02:38:34,960 --> 02:38:37,120
and uh catch up on the

4031
02:38:37,120 --> 02:38:41,990
loans for the water plant matt

4032
02:38:42,000 --> 02:38:43,600
thank you this way

4033
02:38:43,600 --> 02:38:46,960
yes so for the the two loan payments um

4034
02:38:46,960 --> 02:38:49,040
you'll if you'll look at i've provided

4035
02:38:49,040 --> 02:38:51,120
the invoices for those uh those have

4036
02:38:51,120 --> 02:38:52,800
been dated um

4037
02:38:52,800 --> 02:38:55,120
the the previous year uh they're both

4038
02:38:55,120 --> 02:38:57,040
dated 2021

4039
02:38:57,040 --> 02:39:00,399
and the payment dates were reflecting uh

4040
02:39:00,399 --> 02:39:03,840
2022 payment dates uh previously we've

4041
02:39:03,840 --> 02:39:06,720
we've been paying these uh invoices and

4042
02:39:06,720 --> 02:39:08,560
not budgeting enough to to complete

4043
02:39:08,560 --> 02:39:11,600
those payments uh by year end

4044
02:39:11,600 --> 02:39:15,040
so uh one thing to clean up is we're

4045
02:39:15,040 --> 02:39:17,359
going to go ahead and add this

4046
02:39:17,359 --> 02:39:19,920
what is essentially a third payment into

4047
02:39:19,920 --> 02:39:23,200
the budget for this year for the opwc

4048
02:39:23,200 --> 02:39:26,720
and owda payments uh and this doesn't

4049
02:39:26,720 --> 02:39:28,560
doesn't relate to an additional payment

4050
02:39:28,560 --> 02:39:29,520
owed

4051
02:39:29,520 --> 02:39:31,680
um but more of an accounting treatment

4052
02:39:31,680 --> 02:39:33,359
on how to catch up to those payments to

4053
02:39:33,359 --> 02:39:34,560
reflect those

4054
02:39:34,560 --> 02:39:37,439
in the year that the invoice is dated

4055
02:39:37,439 --> 02:39:38,960
and not so much the year when the

4056
02:39:38,960 --> 02:39:40,720
payment is due

4057
02:39:40,720 --> 02:39:43,280
so that speaks to the the ohio water

4058
02:39:43,280 --> 02:39:46,640
development association payments and the

4059
02:39:46,640 --> 02:39:49,520
as far as the irs

4060
02:39:49,520 --> 02:39:51,359
request is concerned

4061
02:39:51,359 --> 02:39:53,120
we have received some correspondence

4062
02:39:53,120 --> 02:39:56,640
from the irs related to payments

4063
02:39:56,640 --> 02:40:00,080
or 941 filings which would be tax income

4064
02:40:00,080 --> 02:40:02,640
taxes owed they had several adjustments

4065
02:40:02,640 --> 02:40:03,600
to them

4066
02:40:03,600 --> 02:40:04,560
and

4067
02:40:04,560 --> 02:40:07,040
these adjustments were from errors that

4068
02:40:07,040 --> 02:40:08,479
occurred

4069
02:40:08,479 --> 02:40:10,720
from 2020 and

4070
02:40:10,720 --> 02:40:13,040
earlier so um

4071
02:40:13,040 --> 02:40:14,560
we're just attempting to catch up with

4072
02:40:14,560 --> 02:40:16,560
the irs while we

4073
02:40:16,560 --> 02:40:19,120
learn more about what what mistakes were

4074
02:40:19,120 --> 02:40:21,120
made within those filings they were

4075
02:40:21,120 --> 02:40:24,000
relatively minor but do add up over time

4076
02:40:24,000 --> 02:40:25,040
but

4077
02:40:25,040 --> 02:40:26,080
we just

4078
02:40:26,080 --> 02:40:26,880
will

4079
02:40:26,880 --> 02:40:28,160
go ahead and bring that to your

4080
02:40:28,160 --> 02:40:30,479
attention and and communicate with the

4081
02:40:30,479 --> 02:40:32,640
irs regarding accurate filings moving

4082
02:40:32,640 --> 02:40:33,600
forward

4083
02:40:33,600 --> 02:40:36,160
so matt you're saying we don't know

4084
02:40:36,160 --> 02:40:41,680
what those issues were yet is that

4085
02:40:41,680 --> 02:40:43,439
what i'm saying is i ha

4086
02:40:43,439 --> 02:40:45,279
due to the nature of the communication

4087
02:40:45,279 --> 02:40:47,760
with the irs at this at this time during

4088
02:40:47,760 --> 02:40:49,920
uh due to the pandemic and various other

4089
02:40:49,920 --> 02:40:51,120
things

4090
02:40:51,120 --> 02:40:53,200
we've engaged in um

4091
02:40:53,200 --> 02:40:54,319
a lot of

4092
02:40:54,319 --> 02:40:57,680
postal mail correspondence without um

4093
02:40:57,680 --> 02:40:58,800
really

4094
02:40:58,800 --> 02:41:00,560
engaging in understanding what happened

4095
02:41:00,560 --> 02:41:04,240
back in 2020 and prior what is clear to

4096
02:41:04,240 --> 02:41:05,920
us is that they have

4097
02:41:05,920 --> 02:41:07,760
submitted an invoice to us to catch up

4098
02:41:07,760 --> 02:41:09,200
on these payments

4099
02:41:09,200 --> 02:41:10,319
and

4100
02:41:10,319 --> 02:41:11,359
through

4101
02:41:11,359 --> 02:41:13,279
due diligence i will explore the

4102
02:41:13,279 --> 02:41:14,720
opportunities that

4103
02:41:14,720 --> 02:41:16,880
that our filings were possibly accurate

4104
02:41:16,880 --> 02:41:19,040
prior to that and that this judgment

4105
02:41:19,040 --> 02:41:22,240
against us um i'll explore you know and

4106
02:41:22,240 --> 02:41:25,120
get some facts regarding that uh we

4107
02:41:25,120 --> 02:41:26,800
wanted to bring this um then and now to

4108
02:41:26,800 --> 02:41:28,640
your attention at this time because

4109
02:41:28,640 --> 02:41:30,479
interest has been

4110
02:41:30,479 --> 02:41:32,160
uh

4111
02:41:32,160 --> 02:41:34,160
interest and penalties has been

4112
02:41:34,160 --> 02:41:36,240
um put on to this

4113
02:41:36,240 --> 02:41:39,120
to this finding and yeah i'm sorry i'm

4114
02:41:39,120 --> 02:41:40,880
i'm clear about all that i just wanted

4115
02:41:40,880 --> 02:41:43,520
to clarify that we don't know

4116
02:41:43,520 --> 02:41:45,920
why these errors occurred

4117
02:41:45,920 --> 02:41:47,920
and so it sounds like we don't know that

4118
02:41:47,920 --> 02:41:50,319
yet but we will we're following up and

4119
02:41:50,319 --> 02:41:52,399
then we may be able to appeal it or

4120
02:41:52,399 --> 02:41:53,760
something is that right

4121
02:41:53,760 --> 02:41:55,279
i hope to be able to articulate the

4122
02:41:55,279 --> 02:41:56,720
findings a little bit more than i have

4123
02:41:56,720 --> 02:41:58,640
at this very very moment

4124
02:41:58,640 --> 02:42:00,560
what i only have is the correspondence

4125
02:42:00,560 --> 02:42:02,479
received that i've

4126
02:42:02,479 --> 02:42:04,800
provided to council

4127
02:42:04,800 --> 02:42:06,000
and

4128
02:42:06,000 --> 02:42:07,920
the general customer service phone

4129
02:42:07,920 --> 02:42:10,479
number which hangs up after uh several

4130
02:42:10,479 --> 02:42:13,600
attempts so we're we're looking to have

4131
02:42:13,600 --> 02:42:14,880
a more

4132
02:42:14,880 --> 02:42:17,279
um involved conversation with with the

4133
02:42:17,279 --> 02:42:20,560
irs on that uh and again i think the

4134
02:42:20,560 --> 02:42:22,640
amounts you'll see are rather minor is

4135
02:42:22,640 --> 02:42:24,240
just about understanding the payment

4136
02:42:24,240 --> 02:42:26,560
before we issue it

4137
02:42:26,560 --> 02:42:29,120
okay lisa

4138
02:42:29,120 --> 02:42:31,439
i feel like i should know this but who

4139
02:42:31,439 --> 02:42:34,880
does our tax preparation

4140
02:42:34,880 --> 02:42:36,399
we do

4141
02:42:36,399 --> 02:42:39,760
well the the irs um we work with rita

4142
02:42:39,760 --> 02:42:41,840
obviously rita's the uh the income tax

4143
02:42:41,840 --> 02:42:43,520
collector on our behalf

4144
02:42:43,520 --> 02:42:45,600
um but but certain payments from the

4145
02:42:45,600 --> 02:42:46,800
village

4146
02:42:46,800 --> 02:42:48,800
to the irs that

4147
02:42:48,800 --> 02:42:51,040
were issued internally so that that

4148
02:42:51,040 --> 02:42:52,720
would be that's the finance so the

4149
02:42:52,720 --> 02:42:55,120
actual analysis and tax forms and

4150
02:42:55,120 --> 02:42:56,479
figuring out how much we'd have to pay

4151
02:42:56,479 --> 02:42:58,640
and everything has been done internally

4152
02:42:58,640 --> 02:43:02,309
by the finance director

4153
02:43:02,319 --> 02:43:04,720
not by like a tax accountant or

4154
02:43:04,720 --> 02:43:06,399
something

4155
02:43:06,399 --> 02:43:08,319
i'm sorry could you repeat that that

4156
02:43:08,319 --> 02:43:10,240
seemed like a loaded question for me

4157
02:43:10,240 --> 02:43:12,319
just to agree well i just i just don't

4158
02:43:12,319 --> 02:43:13,520
know who

4159
02:43:13,520 --> 02:43:16,720
like i have a tax accountant right

4160
02:43:16,720 --> 02:43:18,720
but maybe it was the finance director

4161
02:43:18,720 --> 02:43:20,319
who does that because it's within the

4162
02:43:20,319 --> 02:43:24,870
scope of what a finance director does

4163
02:43:24,880 --> 02:43:27,279
um somewhat lisa i mean honestly like we

4164
02:43:27,279 --> 02:43:29,200
we have a shared relationship with rita

4165
02:43:29,200 --> 02:43:32,240
regarding our tax filings um the the

4166
02:43:32,240 --> 02:43:34,399
amount of to the village i would i would

4167
02:43:34,399 --> 02:43:36,640
validate as my role as the finance

4168
02:43:36,640 --> 02:43:38,080
director

4169
02:43:38,080 --> 02:43:39,120
okay

4170
02:43:39,120 --> 02:43:40,880
thanks i just didn't know

4171
02:43:40,880 --> 02:43:43,760
and i may add some more to that lisa we

4172
02:43:43,760 --> 02:43:46,640
we file our 941s which are the federal

4173
02:43:46,640 --> 02:43:49,520
federal employee tax reports we don't

4174
02:43:49,520 --> 02:43:52,240
file a tax return like a corporation or

4175
02:43:52,240 --> 02:43:54,479
an individual

4176
02:43:54,479 --> 02:43:56,560
at that level of tax preparation what we

4177
02:43:56,560 --> 02:43:59,520
do file are annual reports to the state

4178
02:43:59,520 --> 02:44:01,600
through the hinkle system and so that's

4179
02:44:01,600 --> 02:44:04,080
the equivalent of our tax return if you

4180
02:44:04,080 --> 02:44:06,479
will for the municipal corporation what

4181
02:44:06,479 --> 02:44:08,399
we file for the federal government are

4182
02:44:08,399 --> 02:44:11,520
these 941 reports which are primarily

4183
02:44:11,520 --> 02:44:13,840
employee wages

4184
02:44:13,840 --> 02:44:16,000
and we we do that ourselves because we

4185
02:44:16,000 --> 02:44:18,800
do our own payroll processing

4186
02:44:18,800 --> 02:44:20,319
uh one of the things that we've changed

4187
02:44:20,319 --> 02:44:22,560
since matt's matt's been on board is

4188
02:44:22,560 --> 02:44:25,040
moving to a more automated process with

4189
02:44:25,040 --> 02:44:26,240
regards to

4190
02:44:26,240 --> 02:44:29,279
wage payments and uh in reports

4191
02:44:29,279 --> 02:44:31,840
so we automate a lot of that versus a

4192
02:44:31,840 --> 02:44:33,920
more traditional manual process that

4193
02:44:33,920 --> 02:44:35,680
existed

4194
02:44:35,680 --> 02:44:37,760
in previous administration so i hope

4195
02:44:37,760 --> 02:44:38,960
that that

4196
02:44:38,960 --> 02:44:40,960
alleviates some of the some of the

4197
02:44:40,960 --> 02:44:43,920
issues with reconciling the reports and

4198
02:44:43,920 --> 02:44:46,720
to matt's point this report is

4199
02:44:46,720 --> 02:44:48,960
looking at a discrepancy in filings

4200
02:44:48,960 --> 02:44:51,760
before 2020. it could be a human error

4201
02:44:51,760 --> 02:44:53,600
it could be a calculation you know it

4202
02:44:53,600 --> 02:44:56,080
could be a number of things um matt's

4203
02:44:56,080 --> 02:44:58,840
taking the proactive approach given the

4204
02:44:58,840 --> 02:45:02,800
the delays and response from the from

4205
02:45:02,800 --> 02:45:04,960
the irs letter after letter while still

4206
02:45:04,960 --> 02:45:06,960
incurring the penalty and interest given

4207
02:45:06,960 --> 02:45:08,640
the amount four thousand dollars we have

4208
02:45:08,640 --> 02:45:10,560
no reason to vote to think that they're

4209
02:45:10,560 --> 02:45:12,880
wrong unless we know what

4210
02:45:12,880 --> 02:45:14,640
what they say we're wrong so we're just

4211
02:45:14,640 --> 02:45:16,319
moving forward and paying for it and

4212
02:45:16,319 --> 02:45:18,319
then we'll figure out if a credit is due

4213
02:45:18,319 --> 02:45:21,600
to us or an employee down the road

4214
02:45:21,600 --> 02:45:23,680
yeah i would agree with what what josue

4215
02:45:23,680 --> 02:45:25,040
said thank you very much for helping me

4216
02:45:25,040 --> 02:45:26,960
to articulate that

4217
02:45:26,960 --> 02:45:29,040
i i do not pay bills which i do not

4218
02:45:29,040 --> 02:45:30,160
understand

4219
02:45:30,160 --> 02:45:32,000
in this case what we're attempting to do

4220
02:45:32,000 --> 02:45:34,319
is bring our account current with them

4221
02:45:34,319 --> 02:45:37,520
while we uh seek further information and

4222
02:45:37,520 --> 02:45:38,960
uh as josue

4223
02:45:38,960 --> 02:45:41,600
mentioned this the

4224
02:45:41,600 --> 02:45:43,439
tax filings are somewhat an ongoing

4225
02:45:43,439 --> 02:45:45,840
reconciliation process where amendments

4226
02:45:45,840 --> 02:45:47,439
can be made to prior years which would

4227
02:45:47,439 --> 02:45:54,830
cause a difference in the amounts owed

4228
02:45:54,840 --> 02:45:58,630
okay anything else

4229
02:45:58,640 --> 02:46:01,279
uh okay um

4230
02:46:01,279 --> 02:46:03,439
judy can call the roll

4231
02:46:03,439 --> 02:46:09,040
yes mcqueen

4232
02:46:09,040 --> 02:46:10,560
krieger

4233
02:46:10,560 --> 02:46:11,680
yes

4234
02:46:11,680 --> 02:46:12,720
brown

4235
02:46:12,720 --> 02:46:13,600
yes

4236
02:46:13,600 --> 02:46:14,720
stokes

4237
02:46:14,720 --> 02:46:17,200
yes

4238
02:46:17,200 --> 02:46:18,720
thank you

4239
02:46:18,720 --> 02:46:20,880
okay it's citizen concerns this is a

4240
02:46:20,880 --> 02:46:22,720
time on the agenda where we'll take

4241
02:46:22,720 --> 02:46:24,399
comments about anything that has not

4242
02:46:24,399 --> 02:46:26,399
been on the agenda so

4243
02:46:26,399 --> 02:46:29,680
uh no comments about the pud

4244
02:46:29,680 --> 02:46:36,230
do we have any citizen concerns

4245
02:46:36,240 --> 02:46:38,640
okay i'm assuming that matthew kirk's

4246
02:46:38,640 --> 02:46:41,520
hand being up all this time is is not he

4247
02:46:41,520 --> 02:46:45,040
he actually did send a text and say he

4248
02:46:45,040 --> 02:46:47,840
wanted a minute i don't know if it's pud

4249
02:46:47,840 --> 02:46:52,790
related or not

4250
02:46:52,800 --> 02:46:55,200
all right he took his hand down so

4251
02:46:55,200 --> 02:46:56,319
um

4252
02:46:56,319 --> 02:46:57,439
all right

4253
02:46:57,439 --> 02:46:58,880
guessing we don't have any citizen

4254
02:46:58,880 --> 02:47:01,200
concerns

4255
02:47:01,200 --> 02:47:02,640
okay

4256
02:47:02,640 --> 02:47:03,680
so

4257
02:47:03,680 --> 02:47:07,279
uh our treasurer report

4258
02:47:07,279 --> 02:47:08,720
you're sure you want to go through this

4259
02:47:08,720 --> 02:47:10,560
now

4260
02:47:10,560 --> 02:47:12,880
well we put it off for long enough so

4261
02:47:12,880 --> 02:47:15,439
we're we're gonna stick through all of

4262
02:47:15,439 --> 02:47:17,520
this so all right so

4263
02:47:17,520 --> 02:47:19,840
this is pretty outdated at this point i

4264
02:47:19,840 --> 02:47:22,640
will say and um yeah we actually do now

4265
02:47:22,640 --> 02:47:23,840
have a new

4266
02:47:23,840 --> 02:47:26,720
uh quarterly report from

4267
02:47:26,720 --> 02:47:30,160
uh brad drager which uh each things are

4268
02:47:30,160 --> 02:47:31,439
shifting

4269
02:47:31,439 --> 02:47:33,279
quite a good deal so your next report

4270
02:47:33,279 --> 02:47:34,960
will be a little more exciting but as of

4271
02:47:34,960 --> 02:47:38,880
september 30th september 30th 2021 the

4272
02:47:38,880 --> 02:47:40,960
village had under active investment 10

4273
02:47:40,960 --> 02:47:45,120
million 470 408 dollars that's an

4274
02:47:45,120 --> 02:47:47,120
increase of

4275
02:47:47,120 --> 02:47:47,840
six hundred 273

4276
02:47:47,840 --> 02:47:50,560
ten since the second quarter report

4277
02:47:50,560 --> 02:47:52,160
that total investment numbers derived

4278
02:47:52,160 --> 02:47:53,439
from combining the raymond jane's

4279
02:47:53,439 --> 02:47:54,880
account and the west bank of account

4280
02:47:54,880 --> 02:47:56,240
information

4281
02:47:56,240 --> 02:47:58,000
interest earnings from july through

4282
02:47:58,000 --> 02:48:03,200
september were raymond james one 1 26

4283
02:48:03,200 --> 02:48:09,349
and 37 cents and west banco 31 788.16

4284
02:48:09,359 --> 02:48:12,319
last treasurer's report was in september

4285
02:48:12,319 --> 02:48:14,000
you do have brad drager's quarterly

4286
02:48:14,000 --> 02:48:15,439
report to the village which was written

4287
02:48:15,439 --> 02:48:17,120
in october and then you will get be

4288
02:48:17,120 --> 02:48:21,040
getting a new one in the next

4289
02:48:21,040 --> 02:48:23,680
in the next treasurer's report i've got

4290
02:48:23,680 --> 02:48:25,520
information on par value and money

4291
02:48:25,520 --> 02:48:27,040
market funds and that sort of thing

4292
02:48:27,040 --> 02:48:29,600
those have not moved except to

4293
02:48:29,600 --> 02:48:31,120
shift up

4294
02:48:31,120 --> 02:48:33,439
in terms of how much more recent they

4295
02:48:33,439 --> 02:48:34,240
are

4296
02:48:34,240 --> 02:48:36,160
i guess the most um

4297
02:48:36,160 --> 02:48:37,439
notable thing there is that the

4298
02:48:37,439 --> 02:48:40,399
estimated annual coupon cash flow is

4299
02:48:40,399 --> 02:48:41,920
eight thousand nine hundred and forty

4300
02:48:41,920 --> 02:48:43,439
two dollars

4301
02:48:43,439 --> 02:48:45,680
and the annual cash flow is just about

4302
02:48:45,680 --> 02:48:47,200
that eight thousand nine hundred and

4303
02:48:47,200 --> 02:48:48,640
forty four dollars

4304
02:48:48,640 --> 02:48:51,120
the village had zero funds in star oak

4305
02:48:51,120 --> 02:48:53,319
ohio in the last quarter

4306
02:48:53,319 --> 02:48:57,680
493 531 dollars in raymond james and

4307
02:48:57,680 --> 02:48:59,680
nine million nine hundred seventy six

4308
02:48:59,680 --> 02:49:01,200
thousand eight hundred and seventy six

4309
02:49:01,200 --> 02:49:02,880
in the west bank account

4310
02:49:02,880 --> 02:49:05,200
as of september thirtieth the raymond

4311
02:49:05,200 --> 02:49:08,080
james rate for the raymond james uh cd

4312
02:49:08,080 --> 02:49:09,920
purchases are earning an average of one

4313
02:49:09,920 --> 02:49:11,840
point nine two

4314
02:49:11,840 --> 02:49:15,120
on a 1.13 year commitment and west bank

4315
02:49:15,120 --> 02:49:17,520
rate is fixed at 1.25 with nearly

4316
02:49:17,520 --> 02:49:20,560
immediate availability star ohio back

4317
02:49:20,560 --> 02:49:24,960
then as a comparison was earning 0.08

4318
02:49:24,960 --> 02:49:26,640
um

4319
02:49:26,640 --> 02:49:28,240
which was the place it was in the

4320
02:49:28,240 --> 02:49:29,760
september treasurer's report that's

4321
02:49:29,760 --> 02:49:30,960
going to change a lot for the next

4322
02:49:30,960 --> 02:49:32,160
report

4323
02:49:32,160 --> 02:49:34,319
treasury rates are climbing ever so

4324
02:49:34,319 --> 02:49:37,279
slowly and we actually have a um

4325
02:49:37,279 --> 02:49:38,960
we're gonna we have a meeting set up

4326
02:49:38,960 --> 02:49:40,319
with brad drager in the next coming

4327
02:49:40,319 --> 02:49:42,640
weeks to talk about possibly shifting

4328
02:49:42,640 --> 02:49:44,160
funds and that is a discussion we

4329
02:49:44,160 --> 02:49:45,279
haven't had in

4330
02:49:45,279 --> 02:49:48,000
a very long time so that's that's the

4331
02:49:48,000 --> 02:49:49,680
significance of the

4332
02:49:49,680 --> 02:49:51,359
rising interest rates in the last couple

4333
02:49:51,359 --> 02:49:53,760
of months that's it

4334
02:49:53,760 --> 02:49:55,359
all right thanks judy

4335
02:49:55,359 --> 02:49:59,670
any questions for judy

4336
02:49:59,680 --> 02:50:05,600
there are a whole nother 58 pages on

4337
02:50:05,600 --> 02:50:07,680
i summarized

4338
02:50:07,680 --> 02:50:08,479
okay

4339
02:50:08,479 --> 02:50:11,279
uh all right well thank you very much um

4340
02:50:11,279 --> 02:50:13,920
old business um

4341
02:50:13,920 --> 02:50:15,279
we are going to talk a little bit about

4342
02:50:15,279 --> 02:50:17,120
commission updates

4343
02:50:17,120 --> 02:50:19,920
let me start first um two things that we

4344
02:50:19,920 --> 02:50:23,200
need to uh wrap up i'd mention the ys

4345
02:50:23,200 --> 02:50:25,600
schools liaison

4346
02:50:25,600 --> 02:50:28,080
and i don't know if anyone's interested

4347
02:50:28,080 --> 02:50:31,840
in that i am willing to be that liaison

4348
02:50:31,840 --> 02:50:34,000
but happy for someone else who is

4349
02:50:34,000 --> 02:50:36,960
interested to do it

4350
02:50:36,960 --> 02:50:39,040
i'd i'd be willing to

4351
02:50:39,040 --> 02:50:41,279
co-do that with you if you are

4352
02:50:41,279 --> 02:50:43,359
interested being alternate

4353
02:50:43,359 --> 02:50:44,319
sure

4354
02:50:44,319 --> 02:50:47,120
and then secondly i i was reminded that

4355
02:50:47,120 --> 02:50:50,240
um we typically have a chamber liaison i

4356
02:50:50,240 --> 02:50:52,880
have been that person in the past

4357
02:50:52,880 --> 02:50:55,520
but if there is a council member that

4358
02:50:55,520 --> 02:50:58,479
would like to take on that role um i'm

4359
02:50:58,479 --> 02:51:00,560
happy to pass the torch but i'm also

4360
02:51:00,560 --> 02:51:02,160
fine with uh

4361
02:51:02,160 --> 02:51:04,800
continuing that

4362
02:51:04,800 --> 02:51:06,560
you know i don't mean to sign other

4363
02:51:06,560 --> 02:51:08,960
people up for work but it might seem to

4364
02:51:08,960 --> 02:51:10,479
align nicely with the development

4365
02:51:10,479 --> 02:51:16,070
corporation

4366
02:51:16,080 --> 02:51:20,389
sorry about that mr stokes

4367
02:51:20,399 --> 02:51:22,960
yes ma'am um i agree with your

4368
02:51:22,960 --> 02:51:25,520
assessment by the way

4369
02:51:25,520 --> 02:51:26,399
so

4370
02:51:26,399 --> 02:51:28,000
uh

4371
02:51:28,000 --> 02:51:30,000
yeah brian are you are you uh

4372
02:51:30,000 --> 02:51:33,760
considering at least staying alternate

4373
02:51:33,760 --> 02:51:34,720
um

4374
02:51:34,720 --> 02:51:36,080
sure

4375
02:51:36,080 --> 02:51:39,200
uh yeah i guess i there is a meeting

4376
02:51:39,200 --> 02:51:42,720
this thursday at 8 am

4377
02:51:42,720 --> 02:51:45,520
and it is via zoom

4378
02:51:45,520 --> 02:51:46,479
so

4379
02:51:46,479 --> 02:51:48,960
um and yeah just keep in mind because we

4380
02:51:48,960 --> 02:51:52,160
got in a little bit of hot water um

4381
02:51:52,160 --> 02:51:54,720
but the liaison role is we just give

4382
02:51:54,720 --> 02:51:55,760
updates

4383
02:51:55,760 --> 02:51:57,840
we're not voting or anything like that

4384
02:51:57,840 --> 02:51:58,880
so

4385
02:51:58,880 --> 02:52:01,200
yeah i see mark heiss is on um so mark

4386
02:52:01,200 --> 02:52:02,960
you can go ahead and mike often if you

4387
02:52:02,960 --> 02:52:09,190
want to say something

4388
02:52:09,200 --> 02:52:12,240
or mike on i should say

4389
02:52:12,240 --> 02:52:13,279
so

4390
02:52:13,279 --> 02:52:15,439
i just want to say i would be more than

4391
02:52:15,439 --> 02:52:18,800
happy to um provide kevin with the with

4392
02:52:18,800 --> 02:52:20,800
the zoom meeting and we would welcome

4393
02:52:20,800 --> 02:52:22,479
any input from the

4394
02:52:22,479 --> 02:52:24,160
council um

4395
02:52:24,160 --> 02:52:26,080
very very we're very excited about this

4396
02:52:26,080 --> 02:52:28,720
year as as josue knows

4397
02:52:28,720 --> 02:52:30,240
because we've been very active in

4398
02:52:30,240 --> 02:52:32,720
keeping the village updated on our plans

4399
02:52:32,720 --> 02:52:34,800
um so it's going to be an exciting year

4400
02:52:34,800 --> 02:52:37,120
and we welcome any input from it from

4401
02:52:37,120 --> 02:52:38,560
the village

4402
02:52:38,560 --> 02:52:41,439
yeah thanks mark and i really appreciate

4403
02:52:41,439 --> 02:52:44,720
your and britney's and others energy

4404
02:52:44,720 --> 02:52:48,240
behind um reviving the chamber and um we

4405
02:52:48,240 --> 02:52:49,680
definitely want to have a close

4406
02:52:49,680 --> 02:52:52,479
relationship just like with the schools

4407
02:52:52,479 --> 02:52:54,240
all right so kevin does that mean you

4408
02:52:54,240 --> 02:52:56,560
wanna you would like to be that primary

4409
02:52:56,560 --> 02:52:59,040
liaison to the chamber that is what it

4410
02:52:59,040 --> 02:53:01,120
means yes okay great

4411
02:53:01,120 --> 02:53:02,110
okay and then

4412
02:53:02,110 --> 02:53:05,349
[Music]

4413
02:53:05,359 --> 02:53:07,600
okay and then um

4414
02:53:07,600 --> 02:53:14,070
lisa was this also your agenda item

4415
02:53:14,080 --> 02:53:16,790
uh

4416
02:53:16,800 --> 02:53:18,640
not really i mean i guess what we have

4417
02:53:18,640 --> 02:53:20,000
to think about

4418
02:53:20,000 --> 02:53:24,000
um so a little bit

4419
02:53:24,000 --> 02:53:26,000
the the coordinator of the village

4420
02:53:26,000 --> 02:53:28,560
mediation program has resigned for a

4421
02:53:28,560 --> 02:53:30,880
wonderful new opportunity

4422
02:53:30,880 --> 02:53:33,840
and so uh marianne and i are going to

4423
02:53:33,840 --> 02:53:35,359
have a

4424
02:53:35,359 --> 02:53:36,840
conversation on

4425
02:53:36,840 --> 02:53:39,840
friday with a esteemed member of the

4426
02:53:39,840 --> 02:53:41,680
mediation team

4427
02:53:41,680 --> 02:53:44,160
to have some

4428
02:53:44,160 --> 02:53:45,760
brainstorming

4429
02:53:45,760 --> 02:53:47,200
about how

4430
02:53:47,200 --> 02:53:50,319
that coordinator position

4431
02:53:50,319 --> 02:53:52,399
given that mediation is always a

4432
02:53:52,399 --> 02:53:56,000
confidential and private

4433
02:53:56,000 --> 02:53:58,319
thing how we might be able to leverage

4434
02:53:58,319 --> 02:54:00,319
some of that person power

4435
02:54:00,319 --> 02:54:04,160
to get the crb at least up and running

4436
02:54:04,160 --> 02:54:08,160
um so i'm excited about that because

4437
02:54:08,160 --> 02:54:10,800
it's the right skill set in the long run

4438
02:54:10,800 --> 02:54:12,080
i'm not saying that the village

4439
02:54:12,080 --> 02:54:14,800
mediation program is the crb

4440
02:54:14,800 --> 02:54:18,080
i'm just saying we need some capacity

4441
02:54:18,080 --> 02:54:19,840
so if we can find a person with the

4442
02:54:19,840 --> 02:54:21,279
right skill set who's a very

4443
02:54:21,279 --> 02:54:24,000
well-trained mediator that's following

4444
02:54:24,000 --> 02:54:26,160
the dayton model which was very

4445
02:54:26,160 --> 02:54:27,439
successful

4446
02:54:27,439 --> 02:54:30,240
where the crb

4447
02:54:30,240 --> 02:54:33,359
was coordinated by mediators

4448
02:54:33,359 --> 02:54:35,520
what's left clear to me

4449
02:54:35,520 --> 02:54:37,600
is how

4450
02:54:37,600 --> 02:54:39,200
and we don't have to decide this tonight

4451
02:54:39,200 --> 02:54:40,560
for heaven's sake

4452
02:54:40,560 --> 02:54:42,880
but i keep thinking about how is the

4453
02:54:42,880 --> 02:54:46,160
effort to stand up the crb

4454
02:54:46,160 --> 02:54:48,479
going to sit

4455
02:54:48,479 --> 02:54:49,600
um

4456
02:54:49,600 --> 02:54:53,120
in the in the uh

4457
02:54:53,120 --> 02:54:55,920
with the other commission that carmen

4458
02:54:55,920 --> 02:54:56,960
and

4459
02:54:56,960 --> 02:54:58,560
kevin are working on

4460
02:54:58,560 --> 02:55:00,560
and i just i just don't know because i

4461
02:55:00,560 --> 02:55:03,920
feel like it sets us up for sunshine

4462
02:55:03,920 --> 02:55:06,240
law complications

4463
02:55:06,240 --> 02:55:08,640
if we have this body of people who are

4464
02:55:08,640 --> 02:55:10,560
very very interested

4465
02:55:10,560 --> 02:55:13,040
in these justice system issues that have

4466
02:55:13,040 --> 02:55:15,359
two council persons and then if i i

4467
02:55:15,359 --> 02:55:17,680
don't want to be just like

4468
02:55:17,680 --> 02:55:19,840
floating out there on the side

4469
02:55:19,840 --> 02:55:22,720
and not really able to join the groups i

4470
02:55:22,720 --> 02:55:24,800
just i don't have an answer but i have

4471
02:55:24,800 --> 02:55:26,960
been fretting about it

4472
02:55:26,960 --> 02:55:28,800
structural perspective

4473
02:55:28,800 --> 02:55:31,120
yeah i mean i will say you know

4474
02:55:31,120 --> 02:55:34,000
when a it's a publicly announced meeting

4475
02:55:34,000 --> 02:55:37,920
um that you know means that uh

4476
02:55:37,920 --> 02:55:39,680
council members

4477
02:55:39,680 --> 02:55:41,920
can participate so

4478
02:55:41,920 --> 02:55:43,279
um

4479
02:55:43,279 --> 02:55:45,040
yeah and i think that that doesn't

4480
02:55:45,040 --> 02:55:46,319
remind me i think the other reason we

4481
02:55:46,319 --> 02:55:49,840
had this on on here was to talk about um

4482
02:55:49,840 --> 02:55:51,439
the mash-up

4483
02:55:51,439 --> 02:55:54,240
between um the justice system commission

4484
02:55:54,240 --> 02:55:56,640
and um hrc

4485
02:55:56,640 --> 02:55:59,680
uh but i would propose that um i think

4486
02:55:59,680 --> 02:56:01,439
we're all getting to the point where

4487
02:56:01,439 --> 02:56:03,680
we've probably had um quite a bit of

4488
02:56:03,680 --> 02:56:05,680
council meeting so uh

4489
02:56:05,680 --> 02:56:07,840
why don't we why don't we more formally

4490
02:56:07,840 --> 02:56:10,319
place this on the agenda for next time

4491
02:56:10,319 --> 02:56:12,800
right right and brian let me say that

4492
02:56:12,800 --> 02:56:16,240
yeah uh carmen uh and judy and i

4493
02:56:16,240 --> 02:56:18,399
had some conversations about it we

4494
02:56:18,399 --> 02:56:20,800
post some initial changes so it's you

4495
02:56:20,800 --> 02:56:23,279
know it is a a

4496
02:56:23,279 --> 02:56:25,840
live moving process and with respect to

4497
02:56:25,840 --> 02:56:28,560
the crb um i do

4498
02:56:28,560 --> 02:56:29,920
suppose there would probably be a

4499
02:56:29,920 --> 02:56:32,720
relationship but i don't know that the

4500
02:56:32,720 --> 02:56:35,040
social justice commission would do much

4501
02:56:35,040 --> 02:56:36,000
more than

4502
02:56:36,000 --> 02:56:39,439
referring perhaps to the

4503
02:56:39,439 --> 02:56:40,560
crb

4504
02:56:40,560 --> 02:56:42,399
not i don't i don't

4505
02:56:42,399 --> 02:56:44,319
i don't see yet and i could be convinced

4506
02:56:44,319 --> 02:56:47,120
either way but there being a hardline

4507
02:56:47,120 --> 02:56:50,240
relationship between between the two so

4508
02:56:50,240 --> 02:56:52,160
um i think that

4509
02:56:52,160 --> 02:56:55,200
leads to with that uh situation allay

4510
02:56:55,200 --> 02:56:57,279
some of your concerns

4511
02:56:57,279 --> 02:56:59,279
yeah i just don't want to get into a

4512
02:56:59,279 --> 02:57:01,120
situation where it's just too difficult

4513
02:57:01,120 --> 02:57:03,120
to make decisions together

4514
02:57:03,120 --> 02:57:05,439
if you know if we're if we're in liaison

4515
02:57:05,439 --> 02:57:07,600
with vmp which

4516
02:57:07,600 --> 02:57:10,160
marianne and i and we'll work it out

4517
02:57:10,160 --> 02:57:14,479
yeah in this i think this certainly um

4518
02:57:14,479 --> 02:57:16,319
i'm just going to say this you know we

4519
02:57:16,319 --> 02:57:20,240
saw a a massive display of a lot of

4520
02:57:20,240 --> 02:57:22,399
citizen engagement

4521
02:57:22,399 --> 02:57:24,319
um you know i'll just say to those that

4522
02:57:24,319 --> 02:57:26,640
are still listening um here's a place

4523
02:57:26,640 --> 02:57:29,840
where you can step up um and and uh

4524
02:57:29,840 --> 02:57:32,160
create uh some more bandwidth and some

4525
02:57:32,160 --> 02:57:35,439
more capacity for village council

4526
02:57:35,439 --> 02:57:36,880
we need folks to serve on these

4527
02:57:36,880 --> 02:57:39,200
commissions that are that are forming or

4528
02:57:39,200 --> 02:57:42,160
morphing um you know so i think for the

4529
02:57:42,160 --> 02:57:43,840
next couple of council meetings we have

4530
02:57:43,840 --> 02:57:45,760
to perhaps consider making that clarion

4531
02:57:45,760 --> 02:57:46,560
call

4532
02:57:46,560 --> 02:57:48,640
and again encourage folks who have

4533
02:57:48,640 --> 02:57:49,920
apparently a great deal of energy and

4534
02:57:49,920 --> 02:57:51,920
i'm not being disrespectful i'm just

4535
02:57:51,920 --> 02:57:52,880
saying

4536
02:57:52,880 --> 02:57:55,600
um here's a good place to use some of

4537
02:57:55,600 --> 02:57:57,520
that energy

4538
02:57:57,520 --> 02:57:59,120
okay sounds good

4539
02:57:59,120 --> 02:58:01,840
um all right so we have no new business

4540
02:58:01,840 --> 02:58:02,840
and

4541
02:58:02,840 --> 02:58:04,880
um i

4542
02:58:04,880 --> 02:58:07,920
would like manager's report to be uh

4543
02:58:07,920 --> 02:58:09,840
either brief or if there are any

4544
02:58:09,840 --> 02:58:12,319
questions

4545
02:58:12,319 --> 02:58:13,920
so josue is there anything in particular

4546
02:58:13,920 --> 02:58:16,080
that you need to highlight

4547
02:58:16,080 --> 02:58:19,200
a lot of good stuff going on um

4548
02:58:19,200 --> 02:58:21,040
body cameras we're almost ready to bring

4549
02:58:21,040 --> 02:58:24,160
back a presentation of the the policy

4550
02:58:24,160 --> 02:58:26,800
we're probably two two meetings away

4551
02:58:26,800 --> 02:58:27,760
um

4552
02:58:27,760 --> 02:58:31,279
good things happening on the

4553
02:58:31,279 --> 02:58:33,439
water loss charts we've included those

4554
02:58:33,439 --> 02:58:35,920
charts for you i hope you've appreciated

4555
02:58:35,920 --> 02:58:37,920
uh you see the significant water loss

4556
02:58:37,920 --> 02:58:39,359
reductions

4557
02:58:39,359 --> 02:58:40,560
we've had

4558
02:58:40,560 --> 02:58:41,760
um

4559
02:58:41,760 --> 02:58:43,520
police chief search we've settled on

4560
02:58:43,520 --> 02:58:45,680
dates so i'll be working on that this

4561
02:58:45,680 --> 02:58:47,439
week to

4562
02:58:47,439 --> 02:58:49,120
schedule those interviews schedule those

4563
02:58:49,120 --> 02:58:50,319
forums

4564
02:58:50,319 --> 02:58:53,040
and move forward with that process

4565
02:58:53,040 --> 02:58:55,760
okay i'm open to questions

4566
02:58:55,760 --> 02:58:57,279
all right does anyone have any questions

4567
02:58:57,279 --> 02:59:00,790
for josue

4568
02:59:00,800 --> 02:59:03,840
all right thanks josue um hopefully next

4569
02:59:03,840 --> 02:59:06,319
meeting we'll have more time uh to hear

4570
02:59:06,319 --> 02:59:08,080
about some of that great stuff all right

4571
02:59:08,080 --> 02:59:13,030
future agenda items anything um

4572
02:59:13,040 --> 02:59:14,479
that

4573
02:59:14,479 --> 02:59:16,880
folks want to make sure is in the mix

4574
02:59:16,880 --> 02:59:19,120
yes um i want to be able to talk about

4575
02:59:19,120 --> 02:59:21,920
the active transportation

4576
02:59:21,920 --> 02:59:23,520
um team

4577
02:59:23,520 --> 02:59:26,000
whatever i call it and i'd like to meet

4578
02:59:26,000 --> 02:59:27,840
with you ryan between now and the next

4579
02:59:27,840 --> 02:59:31,439
meeting so that we could make a proposal

4580
02:59:31,439 --> 02:59:32,880
okay sounds great

4581
02:59:32,880 --> 02:59:34,960
anything else um

4582
02:59:34,960 --> 02:59:36,880
judy and i guess this is a question for

4583
02:59:36,880 --> 02:59:39,680
judy and carmen could we at least have

4584
02:59:39,680 --> 02:59:42,000
something to present

4585
02:59:42,000 --> 02:59:44,880
in the second meeting in march regarding

4586
02:59:44,880 --> 02:59:46,160
the

4587
02:59:46,160 --> 02:59:49,439
justice system commission

4588
02:59:49,439 --> 02:59:52,319
yeah i'm on board for that

4589
02:59:52,319 --> 02:59:54,240
okay judy

4590
02:59:54,240 --> 02:59:56,319
absolutely i mean i can i've sort of

4591
02:59:56,319 --> 02:59:57,840
been holding off on

4592
02:59:57,840 --> 02:59:59,840
taking a machete to that ordinance and

4593
02:59:59,840 --> 03:00:02,240
quacking stuff in and pulling stuff out

4594
03:00:02,240 --> 03:00:03,040
um

4595
03:00:03,040 --> 03:00:05,279
but i can start doing that and then you

4596
03:00:05,279 --> 03:00:06,399
can

4597
03:00:06,399 --> 03:00:07,760
weigh in and we'll get we'll get

4598
03:00:07,760 --> 03:00:09,760
something we'll get a draft going so yes

4599
03:00:09,760 --> 03:00:12,399
is the short answer there okay so that's

4600
03:00:12,399 --> 03:00:16,950
like the 21st of march

4601
03:00:16,960 --> 03:00:19,040
i believe so haven't looked that far

4602
03:00:19,040 --> 03:00:20,080
ahead

4603
03:00:20,080 --> 03:00:21,439
that sounds right

4604
03:00:21,439 --> 03:00:23,680
okay anything else yeah really quickly

4605
03:00:23,680 --> 03:00:25,359
i'm interested in

4606
03:00:25,359 --> 03:00:28,720
the crb proposal being put forward with

4607
03:00:28,720 --> 03:00:30,479
the two pillars

4608
03:00:30,479 --> 03:00:31,680
um

4609
03:00:31,680 --> 03:00:35,810
intact

4610
03:00:35,820 --> 03:00:38,000
[Music]

4611
03:00:38,000 --> 03:00:40,950
okay

4612
03:00:40,960 --> 03:00:44,160
so the two pillars have to do with the

4613
03:00:44,160 --> 03:00:45,200
um

4614
03:00:45,200 --> 03:00:48,000
protection of confidentiality and so

4615
03:00:48,000 --> 03:00:50,319
that relates to my comments

4616
03:00:50,319 --> 03:00:53,040
before about possibly being able to use

4617
03:00:53,040 --> 03:00:55,359
a trained mediator to do confidential

4618
03:00:55,359 --> 03:00:56,640
intake

4619
03:00:56,640 --> 03:01:00,080
um and then the other one has to do

4620
03:01:00,080 --> 03:01:03,520
um with the scope of power of the crb to

4621
03:01:03,520 --> 03:01:06,479
make recommendations about

4622
03:01:06,479 --> 03:01:07,760
um

4623
03:01:07,760 --> 03:01:09,359
you know what should happen with

4624
03:01:09,359 --> 03:01:11,760
officers around who there's been a

4625
03:01:11,760 --> 03:01:12,880
complaint

4626
03:01:12,880 --> 03:01:15,520
and that echoes back to my comments i

4627
03:01:15,520 --> 03:01:17,760
think at the last council meeting where

4628
03:01:17,760 --> 03:01:20,560
i said we still really have to have a

4629
03:01:20,560 --> 03:01:23,520
genuine legal review of the proposal

4630
03:01:23,520 --> 03:01:27,279
for the ohio legality that we didn't get

4631
03:01:27,279 --> 03:01:30,240
from our previous attorney guy whose

4632
03:01:30,240 --> 03:01:31,920
name i don't remember right now and i

4633
03:01:31,920 --> 03:01:34,720
apologize for that we still need to get

4634
03:01:34,720 --> 03:01:37,920
that insight and until we get that we

4635
03:01:37,920 --> 03:01:41,200
are kind of uh

4636
03:01:41,200 --> 03:01:43,840
i'm struggling with the with the scope

4637
03:01:43,840 --> 03:01:46,840
of the second pillar

4638
03:01:46,840 --> 03:01:48,560
right

4639
03:01:48,560 --> 03:01:50,880
regarding mediation

4640
03:01:50,880 --> 03:01:58,469
has anyone reached out to jane rothman

4641
03:01:58,479 --> 03:02:00,319
he's part of that group

4642
03:02:00,319 --> 03:02:01,279
so

4643
03:02:01,279 --> 03:02:04,479
and you may recall that at one point

4644
03:02:04,479 --> 03:02:06,160
way back in the

4645
03:02:06,160 --> 03:02:07,600
stone ages

4646
03:02:07,600 --> 03:02:09,680
there were some members of the mediation

4647
03:02:09,680 --> 03:02:12,080
team who were very interested in

4648
03:02:12,080 --> 03:02:14,640
becoming the

4649
03:02:14,640 --> 03:02:17,439
beginning seeds of the crb and that was

4650
03:02:17,439 --> 03:02:19,439
good because they have the right kind of

4651
03:02:19,439 --> 03:02:20,560
training

4652
03:02:20,560 --> 03:02:23,359
and background so

4653
03:02:23,359 --> 03:02:24,479
um

4654
03:02:24,479 --> 03:02:27,680
i mean i i while i'm sorry that we've

4655
03:02:27,680 --> 03:02:29,760
had turnover

4656
03:02:29,760 --> 03:02:33,910
in that role i think that

4657
03:02:33,920 --> 03:02:36,560
it may create a real opportunity to find

4658
03:02:36,560 --> 03:02:38,240
the right person

4659
03:02:38,240 --> 03:02:39,439
who could

4660
03:02:39,439 --> 03:02:42,160
be at least the first

4661
03:02:42,160 --> 03:02:43,439
coordinator

4662
03:02:43,439 --> 03:02:45,439
that could do both things

4663
03:02:45,439 --> 03:02:49,359
yeah can i i'll jump in for a minute i

4664
03:02:49,359 --> 03:02:52,560
uh as lisa said given that um

4665
03:02:52,560 --> 03:02:54,000
luciana

4666
03:02:54,000 --> 03:02:57,680
has very fortunately for her been

4667
03:02:57,680 --> 03:02:59,120
named to a

4668
03:02:59,120 --> 03:03:02,720
rapid response team uh mediation for the

4669
03:03:02,720 --> 03:03:05,600
date for dayton it just seemed like

4670
03:03:05,600 --> 03:03:08,160
we have two needs that are basically a

4671
03:03:08,160 --> 03:03:10,800
similar need and

4672
03:03:10,800 --> 03:03:13,680
it isn't neither of the need presumably

4673
03:03:13,680 --> 03:03:17,439
will take up a lot of time per month so

4674
03:03:17,439 --> 03:03:19,760
it seemed like at least we might talk

4675
03:03:19,760 --> 03:03:23,279
about is there a way to consolidate

4676
03:03:23,279 --> 03:03:24,880
that one person

4677
03:03:24,880 --> 03:03:27,279
however the two groups

4678
03:03:27,279 --> 03:03:29,200
move forward

4679
03:03:29,200 --> 03:03:31,279
and maybe there would end up being two

4680
03:03:31,279 --> 03:03:33,840
people but it would be a way to get to

4681
03:03:33,840 --> 03:03:35,600
jumpstart the

4682
03:03:35,600 --> 03:03:36,880
crb

4683
03:03:36,880 --> 03:03:39,359
and also continue the mediation program

4684
03:03:39,359 --> 03:03:41,120
because

4685
03:03:41,120 --> 03:03:44,479
probably the mediation gets a few calls

4686
03:03:44,479 --> 03:03:47,200
every month you know it varies but

4687
03:03:47,200 --> 03:03:49,840
um so we're not looking at a

4688
03:03:49,840 --> 03:03:51,200
a huge

4689
03:03:51,200 --> 03:03:53,840
time commitment for any one person and

4690
03:03:53,840 --> 03:03:55,680
if we put them together

4691
03:03:55,680 --> 03:03:57,920
we could probably save some money and

4692
03:03:57,920 --> 03:03:59,760
give one person a little more

4693
03:03:59,760 --> 03:04:01,040
opportunity

4694
03:04:01,040 --> 03:04:04,150
so it sounds like we're

4695
03:04:04,160 --> 03:04:07,200
we're now like talking about uh you know

4696
03:04:07,200 --> 03:04:09,520
the issue rather than just a

4697
03:04:09,520 --> 03:04:11,439
future agenda item so

4698
03:04:11,439 --> 03:04:13,359
let's put it on the agenda

4699
03:04:13,359 --> 03:04:15,680
um do we have any other future agenda

4700
03:04:15,680 --> 03:04:18,150
items

4701
03:04:18,160 --> 03:04:20,880
that's right then i put alex scott on so

4702
03:04:20,880 --> 03:04:22,720
she is on for the section 8.

4703
03:04:22,720 --> 03:04:25,040
thank you that's great okay anything

4704
03:04:25,040 --> 03:04:26,800
else

4705
03:04:26,800 --> 03:04:28,479
all right i'll entertain a motion to

4706
03:04:28,479 --> 03:04:32,070
adjourn

4707
03:04:32,080 --> 03:04:33,520
second second

4708
03:04:33,520 --> 03:04:35,279
okay all those in favor signify by

4709
03:04:35,279 --> 03:04:36,399
saying aye

4710
03:04:36,399 --> 03:04:37,840
aye aye

4711
03:04:37,840 --> 03:05:21,750
all right have a great evening

4712
03:05:21,760 --> 03:05:23,840
you