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Like to welcome everybody to the
Thursday, September 10th, 2026 meeting

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of the York City Historical
Architectural Review Board. Call to

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order. Con here. Skiing
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» Zumbren
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» Shermire
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» Clay Gross. No. Gford, no. O'Brien.
Oh, Santiago

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» here.
>> Okay. O'Brien's not here. Uh

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for those of you who who have had time
to review the minutes of the previous

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meeting
are there any errors or omissions?

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None that I notice and I'll make a
motion to approve.

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The minutes is submitted.
>> I'll second. It's been moved and

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seconded. Is there any further
discussion? If not, I call for a vote.

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All those in favor indicate by saying I.
>> I.

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» I.

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We have no old business.

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» First case tonight is 232 North George
Street.

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Replacement of five singlehung windows
on the front of the building.

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Can you hear me?
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» Yeah. Just just speak loudly.
>> Yeah.

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» Okay. Um so we will be replacing five
windows on the front of that unit uh

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with our fibrax material.
It is a 60% 40% blend of wood and

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polymers which allows it to look more
like wood on the exterior to give it

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that more historical look. Um we've also
installed windows at 230 North George.

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If you look at the third floor there, um
those are actually our composite fiber

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brush windows. Um, we have done the
install relatively close to the end.

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» I remember the case for the windows at
230

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and those look almost identical to the
originals and to the um original

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remaining windows on the second story
below at 230.

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Um we did approve those because of their
their close similarity and as I recall

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they were fixed windows
um with a fixed simulated divided light

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m um meeting rail. There are no mullions
there. So um

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that allowed them to to replicate that
look.

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My concern on these windows is it's
half of the units. There's five units

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and this is 2 and 1/2. So the other two
and 1/2 are going to remain across the

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front of those arch windows. That's the
first issue. And the second issue,

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you're proposing them to be operable
with the fixed with the top being fixed.

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So it's going to be a sash over a sash.
>> Yes. So uh we don't have we call those

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specialty windows. Yeah. So, kind of the
spring line,

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» right?
>> Have an operable spring line. So, for

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that customer in particular, they did
want the bottom panels to open.

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» So, we're doing four different windows
inside of each of those arch openings.

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» I think that one will open.
>> I think before I would

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approve this, I would want to see a
detail of how that looks because the

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real issue is it would be less of an
issue if all five of them were being

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replaced. But I think all five all five
units, but I think

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two and a half of the five units are
being replaced. The other two and a half

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are going to be the same. And if they
don't exactly match and that meeting

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rail doesn't exactly match, um, it's
going to be a jarring difference. I

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mean, you're going to see and notice
it's a replacement. And I think I'm I'm

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concerned about with a unit stacked over
a unit, that

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rail where those two units join, that
joint is not going to look like the

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typical
1 and a/4 in meeting rail that's there.

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Now, it's going to be more than that
because you basically have a sash

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meeting rail and you know that dimension
of that is about an inch and a quarter

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probably. and
you're not going to have that anymore.

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In other words, it's going to be you're
going to have an inch on an inch and

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it's and again, it's you're going to
have half of them that looks one way and

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half of them that looks the other way.
So, I think without some kind of other

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solution
um either doing all five or um at least

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showing us a detail of what that looks
like. Um, you know, I'm I'm not going to

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be able to vote for this.
At least that's my opinion.

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If you got the neighbor to go along with
it and he goes, I'm afraid it's going to

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look more it's going to be more like the
windows on the second floor where you

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have a transom with a mullion
separating the transom from the operable

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unit below. that that
section is going to look more like that

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that meeting between the top and a
bottom sash is going to look more like

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the transition between the transom and
the the window sash on the second floor.

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It's going to be maybe not that thick,
but it's going to be different.

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» Yeah, it'll it'll look slightly
different obviously because the ones

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next to it are the originals. We would
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» putting the new unit in there, right?
>> Um but as you can tell from the other

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images,
>> we do a very good job of matching what's

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there with minimal loss. Um, so that's
always the goal, especially in the

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historical district, is to try to
replicate what's there, right?

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» Um, but I mean, you're not wrong in
stating that it will look a little

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different than the units right next to
it,

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» right?
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little a slight difference in the
program. Um, I would I would ask that

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you go back and look at that detail that
you either provide us that detail

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or you see if the neighbor can also um
change their windows or

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you provide some other solution. If they
were if they were fixed like you did

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over a 230,
you'd probably not really notice any

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difference.
But um with an operable unit below and

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that operable unit's also going to have
a it probably is going to have a sash.

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» No,
>> it's not going to have a sash that's

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going to be thicker.
>> Insert case.

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» Okay. But again, without seeing those
details and seeing those details, if for

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example this was a tax credit project,
we'd have to see you'd have to show the

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the details of that jam with the sash
and that head where the two meet as a

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sash in both the existing condition and
in the um

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the proposed condition. And that's I
think what we need to see before we

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would vote on this. And if it is
significantly different, then we're

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going to have an issue because only half
of the

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five units are being done.
And in the middle one, you're going to

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have half of that arched window, that's
one thing, and half of the arched window

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that's the other thing. Do you see what
I'm saying? Yeah. And I think that's the

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issue. Otherwise, I don't have an issue
with the product. Obviously, we've

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approved them and everything. This is
just a very tricky

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situation.
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» So, just just so we're clear so I can
take it back to my my bosses, what what

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will we need moving forward so so that
we can try to get this approved?

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» I would think we would need
and it's again this is my opinion.

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Nobody else has talked other than the
consultant. She's sitting there kind of

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nodding her head. But maybe you want to
jump in.

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» I think you got to speak up. I can't I
can barely hear you with this roaring

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behind me. Is that Am I on now? I'm on.
>> That's better. Yeah.

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» Um, if you want to see what what we
would typically show on a tax credit

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project, um, or at least see I don't
know if we need to measure the existing

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windows because we can pretty we can
sort of tell what it would be, but I do

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think it would be helpful.
>> Nancy, can you pull up that detail again

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um, not just to see an elevation of the
window, but see a section that shows

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» how that transom and how that casement
is going to meet and what that's going

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to look like. and I can send you some
drawings of what what we will be looking

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for
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» Yeah. And I think that's what I'm
thinking section, but thanks. You're

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explaining it in more layman's terms.
But yeah,

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» I think I think what you're also saying
is the other option is to repair what's

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there or
>> repair what's there, right?

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» Or ask the neighbor to also replace
>> or ask the neighbor to also replace. Now

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again, if it's significantly different,
I'd still want to see this section

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because you have all the other windows
around it that are 230 looks really

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good, but they were able to they were
able to achieve that and and and nobody

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can tell. I mean, my glancing at it, I
can't even tell that it's not original

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unless I go up and examine it. But this
is going to be a different situation

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here with what they're asking to do. And
I know the arched windows present a

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particular
situation. I I know you know how they're

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even built. You know that it's really
only the outer width that's arched. The

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inside is a squared window.
>> Yeah. So squared opening. Yeah.

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» So, if we can show you how they would
look mold together

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with the with the difference in
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the section this way between the top and
the bottom

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» right in both in elevation and like to
see it compared with the existing.

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» Okay. if they could sketch something
with the existing

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how. And if that's different, then yeah,
we're going to we're going to say you

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either got to come back with an
alternative solution to repair what's

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there, put like an interior storm if
they're they're losing their weather

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tightness,
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possibly get the whole row replaced.
And this the the facade of this building

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is very nicely restored and it's very
intact.

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Um, so you know, we got to be really
careful with it. I mean, there were

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buildings like this all up and down
George Street, you know, many

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significant ones across the street that
were demolished. And this is kind of

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just an intact grouping. So, it's very
it's very important, I think, to the

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district.
>> Yeah.

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» Yeah.

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» I don't know. Does anybody else have any
I mean, I follow what you're saying.

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» Yeah.

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How about you, Craig? Do you have any
anything?

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» Okay. All right.
>> I agree completely. Great.

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» I will move that we table the
application pending submission of

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further details and alternatives
as discussed at the meeting.

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» Second.
It's been moved and seconded. Is there

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any further discussion? If not, I call
for a vote. All those in favor of

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tableabling indicate by saying I.
>> I.

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» Who seconded that?
>> Craig.

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» Craig.

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» If you need any example of the kinds of
details they're looking for, I can send

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you like a an example. That would be
help.

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» The next case tonight is 215 to 217
North George Street.

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I mean, yeah. Do you have a card or I
can just

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» Yeah, that's okay.

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» Yeah, you can start.

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» Two new exterior doors on the ground
floor of the building. The first one is

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along the south wall of the building of
that small

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walkway
barely visible.

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old wood floor.

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for the north wall of the building

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street.

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I'd like to make a motion to approve the
application as presented. Um, primarily

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due to the fact that the doors are uh
not going to be visible from a public

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right away.
I will second that and that it can be

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noted there in basically service alleys.

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» All right, it's been moved and seconded.
Is there any further discussion?

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» Yeah, I just have a question regarding
this

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alley doorway. You going to rebuild the
frame,

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replace the lint hole?
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» so it's more than just the door. You can
replace

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Rebuild the entire frame.

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» Okay.
>> Okay.

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» And again, I don't if this was visible,
it' be different, right?

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» But
>> it it's really not.

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» Yep.

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» Okay. It's been moved and seconded.
Uh, all those in favor indicate by

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saying I. I.
>> I.

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» You have it.

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» Next case is 115
North Newberry.

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» I have 17 here. I have
>> I have both.

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» I have 15.
>> Yeah, I do. Yeah, there is both here.

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» There was confusion about the address
about which it is. It is 17.

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» Okay.
>> So, which address is it?

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» It is 17.
>> 17.

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» I'd like to uh replace the front porch
on 117 North Newberry Street. It was um

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an un unpainted
um wood deck or wood porch. And I'd like

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to replace it with a uh porch of the
similar dimensions except that on the

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front you can see the railing bends
around. Uh but the homeowner wanted that

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to be cut off so that it would have a
better place to sit. Um so that would be

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the difference. And then I would also
paint it uh brown with black spindles

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which I see I saw on the email that I
had

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They had they had it black with brown
spindles. Um I think that was a mistake

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on their part. I had sent brown with
black spindles and that's what I would

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like to do.

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So yeah, same dimensions. Uh the posts
has that little top on it. That would be

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the same as well.
Well, it would just be a tiny bit

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different, but very similar shape that
you can get from those.

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I think that's all.

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» And the steps then of course would be
coming down directly like the steps

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would go straight across the whole
>> without that little

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» and would that have a handrail as well
on the right side as the picture shows?

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» Yes, both both sides would have the
handrails.

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I'll move we approve the application as
submitted. Um the proposed porch is

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complimentary in scale and size and it's
replacing a

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an existing non-historic porch.
>> I'll second.

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» It's been moved and seconded. Is there
any further discussion

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having none? Um
I call for a vote. All those in favor

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indicate by saying I.
>> I.

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» Eyes are unanimous.
>> Thank you.

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» Next case tonight is 243 to 245 West
Market Street.

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And you are
>> Courtney with Deansless Realy.

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Uh, so we will the comments below will
be forwarded to city council. There are

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meetings on Tuesday. They'll approve it
and then you can come back for your

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permit.
>> I think our comments here from the

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consultant council meeting
>> basically justify

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» all of the materials except the window
configurations

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of the addition.
>> Okay.

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which
>> so that rather than the addition the

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windows now look like the the proposed
windows on the sides and rears first of

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all they're vinyl but we would prefer
seeing a different material

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um even a composite secondly their
configuration

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front of the building is all one over
one windows and I don't know are you

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also replacing the windows in the front
of the building or oh not touching the

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front okay
Um,

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your sides and rear would be more
appropriate if you did a one over one

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window or even
a fixed operable casement with a

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simulated divided light across the
center. So, it looked like a one over

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one window rather than right now they're
they're casements that are split this

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way which
basically is not compatible with the

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rest of the building or the historic
district.

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» Makes sense. And I think we'd rather see
a material

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um again such as we had no problem with
material on the first case that was

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proposed which is the Anderson Fibrex
or something similar rather than vinyl

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and that kind of
>> I know that so my boss told me that

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they're not vinyl. I guess they're U
>> they're Excuse me.

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» They're not vinyl.
>> Oh, okay.

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» Yeah, they are UPVC.
>> Okay. And then they're the Magnus

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windows through Crystal.
>> Okay.

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» And I do have a bunch of
like their work of how like the windows

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would look. But I do agree with what
you're saying with the one over one to

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match.
>> Yeah. I think

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» just look it
>> it'll look better. It'll blend kind of

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seamlessly.
>> Through the new materials, you'll be

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able to tell it's an addition and it's
not historic, but the size and scale

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will complement the building. And then
you'll have the windows which will look

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like Yeah. Okay.
>> These are the windows going on to 20

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North Pen.
>> UPVC is is a kind of vinyl. Also,

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» it is a kind of vinyl. Yeah,
>> it is a type of vinyl.

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» They get very
>> And they're still not installed.

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» They're Yeah, that that that's another
>> Yeah, that's that was my question. It

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seems to me that's a vinyl product.
Yeah, I think we have approved PVC

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already because it's kind of but yeah,
it is a vinyl product.

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» Yeah, I'll just tell them.
>> Yeah, tell tell them we would prefer a a

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composite. They they should price out a
composite kind of material and then we

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could do an approval contingent upon
your submitting the changes to the

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consultant for their review.

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So, is that the only issue that you see
is the windows?

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» I believe so, based on the and based on
the review.

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» Is there anything else in your review,
Becky? I I think that was pretty much

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it.
>> Yeah. I mean, you guys, I don't know how

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you guys feel about the the metal
siding. We have that elsewhere in the

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historic district, but I think in terms
of like the scale of the addition, it's

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on the rear. It's not taller than the
existing building. I think all of that

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is fine.
>> And the metal siding is there's a lot of

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contemporary additions in
industrial buildings and buildings close

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to this and yeah that are using a
vertical metal siding. So I don't see

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that's an issue.
>> Can you um

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Is there an illustration that shows
exactly where that metal starts and

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stops?
>> Yeah, there are elevations in here,

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Craig. I think I

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Yeah, it's on it's on here, Craig. You
can see the vertical stripe. Basically,

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the brick is existing, correct? And this
is the addition with the metal siding.

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It kind of is above the brick and then
it goes to the ground in the back of the

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building.
anything that's basically being added.

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So, the brick kind of gives a base for
the metal siding.

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» Some reason I was not finding that page.
I went back and forth three times.

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» Oh, jeez. Here. Do you want to
>> I've got it.

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» You got it. Okay,
>> I got it. And that I'm not a fan of

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vertical meadow.
>> Okay.

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However, in new construction,
um,

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given what the Department of Interior
standards say about not attempting to

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replicate or mimic
the original facades. It makes sense and

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it works
and it is on a rear alley facade and

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we've approved similar.
>> Yeah. But we see it from market,

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» right? You will see it from market but
there's other examples within even that

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block I believe.

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I mean if if it wasn't to be vertical
metal

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would a Ephus product be the next
similar price point alternative?

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I can't answer that without somebody
doing a current estimate on it.

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Yeah,

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because prices are changing so much. I
don't know.

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I'll move that we
approve the application submitted with a

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change in the windows
for the

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sides and rear of the existing building
in the addition

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from
casement windows with a vertical

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division to
one over one windows either operable

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or with a simulated divided light
for the horizontal

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to replicate the look of the horizontal
meeting rail.

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And that the windows be a composite
material or another acceptable

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acceptable material to vinyl
and that the these approved changes be

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reviewed
with the uh consultant.

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Right. So yeah, reviewed by the and
approved by the consultant. Be

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resubmitted and approved by the
consultant.

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» Second.
>> It's been moved and seconded. Is there

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any further discussion?
Barring none, I call for a vote. All

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those in favor indicate by saying I. I.

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Okay. Thank you.

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Next case tonight, 823 South George
Street.

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I'm Brad Edlesburgger. I'm with Maverick
Moving.

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I own the company. I work job.
>> Can you Can you speak?

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» We're proposing to uh tear the asbestous
roof off of that house right there and

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sheet it in with plywood over top of the
existing decking that's underneath

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because there's nothing wrong with it.
You just want to put new plywood down.

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You know how old? and uh replace it with
a GAFHDZ

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um textual shingle
bark wood. Color here for you to see it.

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Uh but it's it's really the only option.

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» That's

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I have really get on it to repair it.
So, I mean, I can't really, you know, I

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can only really get at a certain spot
and look at certain things, but from the

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I mean, it's just it's
it's at least probably 50 years or older

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since that maintenance.
>> Yeah, I have no problem with this. Are

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you proposing to do open flashed
valleys?

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» No. Uh, we were we usually close our
valleys in.

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» Okay.
>> Um, I mean, if we have to do it that

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way. I'm not familiar yet with
historical stuff, but uh

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» yeah, usually the open flash is more
historically appropriate and you're in

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» timber line will look more like an
original product. Yeah, if you do that.

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» Yeah, metal open flash valleys.
>> Yeah. Otherwise, you're you're wrapping

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the materials.
>> Yeah, it it has them now.

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» Is it okay um if the metal is like black
or

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» Yeah. And doesn't that be copper? Okay.

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» And then it's like it's missing like a
face board there on the one side. I

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mean, I'd have to replace that
obviously. Um,

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» and the faceboard are replicated with
what? A composite material that matches

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existing.
>> I could use composite or we could use uh

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just I think it's like a 2x6 is what it
was. I mean a 1x six is what

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» Okay. Yeah. Either a painted 1x6 or as
long as it's not a wrapped.

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» Yeah.
>> Yeah.

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» Okay.
It' be painted white or whatever if it

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needed to be or we could get composite.
Yeah.

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» Will you be able to reuse the uh down
spouts and gutters?

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» Yes.
>> Yes.

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» Yes. That's I mean we didn't talk about
that. So, um there's nothing wrong with

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them. I think they're keeping them. So,
yeah.

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I make a motion we accept it
proposal

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except for with a with modifications as
follows. Yeah.

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» With modif which modifications maybe I
didn't hear.

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» Oh yeah.
>> Yeah. Open gutters.

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» Open no open flash valleys. Yeah. It can
be a dark And the gutters and down

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spouts will stay the same metal
material.

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» We'll clean them out and everything.
We'll clean all the debris out of them,

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but that they'll remain
>> gutters and down spouts the same. And

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the face shield to be replaced in kind
with either a wood or a metal material,

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a wood or a a wood or a composite
material.

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» I'll second
>> what he said.

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» I'll second the motion. Okay, it's been
moved and seconded. Is there any further

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discussion?
If not, I call for a vote. All those in

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favor indicate by saying I.
>> I.

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» The eyes have it.

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» Thanks. Because he agreed with that.
>> That's his next case is 121 West Spring

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Avenue. continue to hear it.
>> Second visit.

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» Yeah. You were here the other week,
weren't you?

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» Yeah.

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» Okay. I'll let you know.

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» It looks like in some of your review
sheets, you got some of that other roof.

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» They need permit. Just uh ignore that. I
put some of the old the previous roof

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into some of this.
>> Okay.

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» It's not this roof. It's just another
asbestous roof.

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» This is symbol. Oh. Oh, I see. Yeah.
This is from

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» This is the asbestous shingle from the
other one. Yeah. It's stapled in the

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back of it.

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» Did you say what you're going to do yet?
>> I did not. I was just wait I was just

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waiting.
>> He's

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I was waiting for
>> with all this noise. We're It's like,

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did did we miss it?
>> So, uh, at 121, uh, next door to the 105

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that we're working on, uh, there's a
tree that had fallen, branch that fell

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into the garage roof out back, and for
some insurance reasons, we kind of need

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to speed up the process. So, they were
looking at trying to get the uh, trying

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to get the approval to get the roof
replaced as kind of as soon as possible,

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satisfy the insurance.

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I I have no problem with the material or
the

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what's proposed

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visible anyway.
>> Yeah.

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» Could I ask one question? We we've been
kind of back and forth between metal and

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shingles.
Is we would we were thinking about doing

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a standing seam, but just to kind of
speed the process up, you kind of want a

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shingle. Is is it possible to do metal?
>> What's your feelings about uh metal on

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the garage?
>> We talked about it. I was hesitant

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because it suggests a historic condition
that might not be appropriate.

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» Okay.
>> Um I said we could look at it. I would

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just want to, you know, look at the rest
of the street. Is there any other metal

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roofs on garages? Was this What period
was the garage built? Would a metal roof

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have been appropriate? If you go with
asphalt shingle, like it's clearly not

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historic. It's clearly not replicating
his door. Um, now that's my opinion. You

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guys, I mean, aesthetically, it would
look quite appropriate. So, it's up to

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you guys.
>> Aesthetically, it would look fine. I

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mean, typically in that period, it
wouldn't have had a very high high seam.

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Would have been more like a flat seam or
a very low standing seam if it would

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have been metal at all.
I don't know. I don't know. What's your

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feelings about?
>> My former house on East Bransberry

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had a porch roof that was original to
the house 1907. It was a standing scene.

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Okay.
>> Metal roof.

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» Okay.
>> So, I know it was done during the time,

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» right? Period.
>> Right.

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There are metal roofs that imitate
shingles

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that their profile. Have you seen them?
>> Yeah. I don't know if that's what he's

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talking about though.
>> Are you talking about standing seam

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only?
>> Um, we're just flat panel standing seam,

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you know.
>> I think it's appropriate.

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» Okay. based on my experience.

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» I mean, aesthetically, in my opinion, I
would much rather see the metal. I I

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just I don't really care for basketball
shingles. I think it

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» Yeah.
>> You know,

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» that's
>> Yeah. So, we just with talking to Becky

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to get this in, we just went with the
shingles. But I just figured while we're

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here, might as well ask questions.
I mean, I'm fine probably with either

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or. It sounds like board's fine with
that. I mean, we could give you an

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approval for either or. What's your
thoughts, Dennis?

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» Either way.
>> Okay.

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I'll rem I'll I'll move that we accept
the application as submitted with either

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JF antique slate asphalt shingles or
a standing seam metal roof

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in similar color.
>> I would think maybe like a

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» like a gray
dark.

432
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:06,079
» Okay. Dark gray. Okay.
Make sure you include the moss.

433
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:09,079
» We will do our best.
>> Yeah.

434
00:36:09,359 --> 00:36:16,000
» Not that long ago, you couldn't even see
that garage. So,

435
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:20,720
» I'm well a I'm well aware.
>> And I would say also it's it's an out

436
00:36:17,839 --> 00:36:26,400
building. Um,
and there are other examples of metal

437
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:31,160
standing seam roofs and on auxiliary
porches, etc. in the neighborhood.

438
00:36:33,119 --> 00:36:38,800
So, we have a motion.
>> Yeah, that was the motion

439
00:36:36,240 --> 00:36:41,800
» and seconded.
>> Second.

440
00:36:44,720 --> 00:36:50,400
» It's been moved and seconded. Is there
any further discussion? If not, I call

441
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:53,440
for a vote. All those in favor indicate
by saying I. I.

442
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:58,520
» I. Eyes have it.
>> Thank you.

443
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:58,520
» Good. Thank you.

444
00:37:00,240 --> 00:37:03,760
Yep.
>> Thank you.

445
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:09,000
» Yep. So, city council is Tuesday. So,
after that, you'll be good to go.

446
00:37:05,839 --> 00:37:09,000
» Thank you.

447
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:14,359
» Is there any other business or public
comment?

448
00:37:18,720 --> 00:37:23,520
» Uh
we are ajourned.

449
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:26,520
» We have to do one administrative
approval.