[0:00] 6:00.
[0:14] Like to welcome everybody to the
Thursday, September 10th, 2026 meeting
[0:22] of the York City Historical
Architectural Review Board. Call to
[0:26] order. Con here. Skiing
>> here.
[0:32] » Zumbren
>> here.
[0:34] » Shermire
>> here.
[0:37] » Clay Gross. No. Gford, no. O'Brien.
Oh, Santiago
[0:44] » here.
>> Okay. O'Brien's not here. Uh
[0:49] for those of you who who have had time
to review the minutes of the previous
[0:54] meeting
are there any errors or omissions?
[1:04] None that I notice and I'll make a
motion to approve.
[1:09] The minutes is submitted.
>> I'll second. It's been moved and
[1:14] seconded. Is there any further
discussion? If not, I call for a vote.
[1:17] All those in favor indicate by saying I.
>> I.
[1:20] » I.
[1:23] We have no old business.
[1:30] » First case tonight is 232 North George
Street.
[1:35] Replacement of five singlehung windows
on the front of the building.
[1:49] Can you hear me?
>> Mhm.
[1:53] » Yeah. Just just speak loudly.
>> Yeah.
[1:56] » Okay. Um so we will be replacing five
windows on the front of that unit uh
[2:02] with our fibrax material.
It is a 60% 40% blend of wood and
[2:08] polymers which allows it to look more
like wood on the exterior to give it
[2:13] that more historical look. Um we've also
installed windows at 230 North George.
[2:20] If you look at the third floor there, um
those are actually our composite fiber
[2:24] brush windows. Um, we have done the
install relatively close to the end.
[2:33] » I remember the case for the windows at
230
[2:37] and those look almost identical to the
originals and to the um original
[2:45] remaining windows on the second story
below at 230.
[2:49] Um we did approve those because of their
their close similarity and as I recall
[2:54] they were fixed windows
um with a fixed simulated divided light
[3:02] m um meeting rail. There are no mullions
there. So um
[3:10] that allowed them to to replicate that
look.
[3:14] My concern on these windows is it's
half of the units. There's five units
[3:20] and this is 2 and 1/2. So the other two
and 1/2 are going to remain across the
[3:26] front of those arch windows. That's the
first issue. And the second issue,
[3:29] you're proposing them to be operable
with the fixed with the top being fixed.
[3:35] So it's going to be a sash over a sash.
>> Yes. So uh we don't have we call those
[3:41] specialty windows. Yeah. So, kind of the
spring line,
[3:44] » right?
>> Have an operable spring line. So, for
[3:47] that customer in particular, they did
want the bottom panels to open.
[3:51] » So, we're doing four different windows
inside of each of those arch openings.
[3:56] » I think that one will open.
>> I think before I would
[4:01] approve this, I would want to see a
detail of how that looks because the
[4:07] real issue is it would be less of an
issue if all five of them were being
[4:10] replaced. But I think all five all five
units, but I think
[4:16] two and a half of the five units are
being replaced. The other two and a half
[4:20] are going to be the same. And if they
don't exactly match and that meeting
[4:24] rail doesn't exactly match, um, it's
going to be a jarring difference. I
[4:30] mean, you're going to see and notice
it's a replacement. And I think I'm I'm
[4:34] concerned about with a unit stacked over
a unit, that
[4:39] rail where those two units join, that
joint is not going to look like the
[4:44] typical
1 and a/4 in meeting rail that's there.
[4:50] Now, it's going to be more than that
because you basically have a sash
[4:55] meeting rail and you know that dimension
of that is about an inch and a quarter
[5:01] probably. and
you're not going to have that anymore.
[5:06] In other words, it's going to be you're
going to have an inch on an inch and
[5:09] it's and again, it's you're going to
have half of them that looks one way and
[5:14] half of them that looks the other way.
So, I think without some kind of other
[5:18] solution
um either doing all five or um at least
[5:23] showing us a detail of what that looks
like. Um, you know, I'm I'm not going to
[5:29] be able to vote for this.
At least that's my opinion.
[5:38] If you got the neighbor to go along with
it and he goes, I'm afraid it's going to
[5:42] look more it's going to be more like the
windows on the second floor where you
[5:49] have a transom with a mullion
separating the transom from the operable
[5:55] unit below. that that
section is going to look more like that
[6:00] that meeting between the top and a
bottom sash is going to look more like
[6:04] the transition between the transom and
the the window sash on the second floor.
[6:08] It's going to be maybe not that thick,
but it's going to be different.
[6:11] » Yeah, it'll it'll look slightly
different obviously because the ones
[6:14] next to it are the originals. We would
be
[6:16] » putting the new unit in there, right?
>> Um but as you can tell from the other
[6:21] images,
>> we do a very good job of matching what's
[6:24] there with minimal loss. Um, so that's
always the goal, especially in the
[6:29] historical district, is to try to
replicate what's there, right?
[6:32] » Um, but I mean, you're not wrong in
stating that it will look a little
[6:36] different than the units right next to
it,
[6:39] » right?
>> Um, so I I can't deny that you'll have a
[6:42] little a slight difference in the
program. Um, I would I would ask that
[6:47] you go back and look at that detail that
you either provide us that detail
[6:52] or you see if the neighbor can also um
change their windows or
[7:00] you provide some other solution. If they
were if they were fixed like you did
[7:04] over a 230,
you'd probably not really notice any
[7:09] difference.
But um with an operable unit below and
[7:14] that operable unit's also going to have
a it probably is going to have a sash.
[7:19] » No,
>> it's not going to have a sash that's
[7:21] going to be thicker.
>> Insert case.
[7:25] » Okay. But again, without seeing those
details and seeing those details, if for
[7:28] example this was a tax credit project,
we'd have to see you'd have to show the
[7:33] the details of that jam with the sash
and that head where the two meet as a
[7:38] sash in both the existing condition and
in the um
[7:44] the proposed condition. And that's I
think what we need to see before we
[7:49] would vote on this. And if it is
significantly different, then we're
[7:52] going to have an issue because only half
of the
[7:57] five units are being done.
And in the middle one, you're going to
[8:02] have half of that arched window, that's
one thing, and half of the arched window
[8:06] that's the other thing. Do you see what
I'm saying? Yeah. And I think that's the
[8:10] issue. Otherwise, I don't have an issue
with the product. Obviously, we've
[8:14] approved them and everything. This is
just a very tricky
[8:18] situation.
Yeah.
[8:20] » So, just just so we're clear so I can
take it back to my my bosses, what what
[8:25] will we need moving forward so so that
we can try to get this approved?
[8:30] » I would think we would need
and it's again this is my opinion.
[8:35] Nobody else has talked other than the
consultant. She's sitting there kind of
[8:38] nodding her head. But maybe you want to
jump in.
[8:44] » I think you got to speak up. I can't I
can barely hear you with this roaring
[8:47] behind me. Is that Am I on now? I'm on.
>> That's better. Yeah.
[8:50] » Um, if you want to see what what we
would typically show on a tax credit
[8:53] project, um, or at least see I don't
know if we need to measure the existing
[8:58] windows because we can pretty we can
sort of tell what it would be, but I do
[9:00] think it would be helpful.
>> Nancy, can you pull up that detail again
[9:04] um, not just to see an elevation of the
window, but see a section that shows
[9:10] » how that transom and how that casement
is going to meet and what that's going
[9:13] to look like. and I can send you some
drawings of what what we will be looking
[9:17] for
>> um to see that.
[9:20] » Yeah. And I think that's what I'm
thinking section, but thanks. You're
[9:24] explaining it in more layman's terms.
But yeah,
[9:26] » I think I think what you're also saying
is the other option is to repair what's
[9:31] there or
>> repair what's there, right?
[9:35] » Or ask the neighbor to also replace
>> or ask the neighbor to also replace. Now
[9:39] again, if it's significantly different,
I'd still want to see this section
[9:43] because you have all the other windows
around it that are 230 looks really
[9:47] good, but they were able to they were
able to achieve that and and and nobody
[9:52] can tell. I mean, my glancing at it, I
can't even tell that it's not original
[9:57] unless I go up and examine it. But this
is going to be a different situation
[10:02] here with what they're asking to do. And
I know the arched windows present a
[10:06] particular
situation. I I know you know how they're
[10:10] even built. You know that it's really
only the outer width that's arched. The
[10:15] inside is a squared window.
>> Yeah. So squared opening. Yeah.
[10:21] » So, if we can show you how they would
look mold together
[10:24] with the with the difference in
>> the section this way and then especially
[10:30] the section this way between the top and
the bottom
[10:35] » right in both in elevation and like to
see it compared with the existing.
[10:40] » Okay. if they could sketch something
with the existing
[10:44] how. And if that's different, then yeah,
we're going to we're going to say you
[10:49] either got to come back with an
alternative solution to repair what's
[10:52] there, put like an interior storm if
they're they're losing their weather
[10:57] tightness,
>> or
[11:00] possibly get the whole row replaced.
And this the the facade of this building
[11:06] is very nicely restored and it's very
intact.
[11:10] Um, so you know, we got to be really
careful with it. I mean, there were
[11:14] buildings like this all up and down
George Street, you know, many
[11:18] significant ones across the street that
were demolished. And this is kind of
[11:22] just an intact grouping. So, it's very
it's very important, I think, to the
[11:27] district.
>> Yeah.
[11:29] » Yeah.
[11:33] » I don't know. Does anybody else have any
I mean, I follow what you're saying.
[11:37] » Yeah.
[11:40] How about you, Craig? Do you have any
anything?
[11:45] » Okay. All right.
>> I agree completely. Great.
[11:49] » I will move that we table the
application pending submission of
[11:53] further details and alternatives
as discussed at the meeting.
[12:00] » Second.
It's been moved and seconded. Is there
[12:03] any further discussion? If not, I call
for a vote. All those in favor of
[12:07] tableabling indicate by saying I.
>> I.
[12:11] » Who seconded that?
>> Craig.
[12:14] » Craig.
[12:20] » If you need any example of the kinds of
details they're looking for, I can send
[12:24] you like a an example. That would be
help.
[12:27] » The next case tonight is 215 to 217
North George Street.
[12:36] I mean, yeah. Do you have a card or I
can just
[12:39] » Yeah, that's okay.
[12:52] » Yeah, you can start.
[13:00] » Two new exterior doors on the ground
floor of the building. The first one is
[13:06] along the south wall of the building of
that small
[13:11] walkway
barely visible.
[13:19] old wood floor.
[13:40] for the north wall of the building
[13:47] street.
[14:12] I'd like to make a motion to approve the
application as presented. Um, primarily
[14:20] due to the fact that the doors are uh
not going to be visible from a public
[14:26] right away.
I will second that and that it can be
[14:33] noted there in basically service alleys.
[14:39] » All right, it's been moved and seconded.
Is there any further discussion?
[14:42] » Yeah, I just have a question regarding
this
[14:46] alley doorway. You going to rebuild the
frame,
[14:51] replace the lint hole?
>> Yeah,
[14:55] » so it's more than just the door. You can
replace
[14:59] Rebuild the entire frame.
[15:09] » Okay.
>> Okay.
[15:12] » And again, I don't if this was visible,
it' be different, right?
[15:15] » But
>> it it's really not.
[15:19] » Yep.
[15:22] » Okay. It's been moved and seconded.
Uh, all those in favor indicate by
[15:28] saying I. I.
>> I.
[15:31] » You have it.
[15:48] » Next case is 115
North Newberry.
[15:53] » I have 17 here. I have
>> I have both.
[15:55] » I have 15.
>> Yeah, I do. Yeah, there is both here.
[15:59] » There was confusion about the address
about which it is. It is 17.
[16:02] » Okay.
>> So, which address is it?
[16:04] » It is 17.
>> 17.
[16:09] » I'd like to uh replace the front porch
on 117 North Newberry Street. It was um
[16:16] an un unpainted
um wood deck or wood porch. And I'd like
[16:23] to replace it with a uh porch of the
similar dimensions except that on the
[16:29] front you can see the railing bends
around. Uh but the homeowner wanted that
[16:35] to be cut off so that it would have a
better place to sit. Um so that would be
[16:40] the difference. And then I would also
paint it uh brown with black spindles
[16:48] which I see I saw on the email that I
had
[16:52] They had they had it black with brown
spindles. Um I think that was a mistake
[16:57] on their part. I had sent brown with
black spindles and that's what I would
[17:01] like to do.
[17:04] So yeah, same dimensions. Uh the posts
has that little top on it. That would be
[17:10] the same as well.
Well, it would just be a tiny bit
[17:14] different, but very similar shape that
you can get from those.
[17:20] I think that's all.
[17:28] » And the steps then of course would be
coming down directly like the steps
[17:32] would go straight across the whole
>> without that little
[17:38] » and would that have a handrail as well
on the right side as the picture shows?
[17:43] » Yes, both both sides would have the
handrails.
[17:53] I'll move we approve the application as
submitted. Um the proposed porch is
[18:00] complimentary in scale and size and it's
replacing a
[18:06] an existing non-historic porch.
>> I'll second.
[18:11] » It's been moved and seconded. Is there
any further discussion
[18:16] having none? Um
I call for a vote. All those in favor
[18:22] indicate by saying I.
>> I.
[18:26] » Eyes are unanimous.
>> Thank you.
[18:39] » Next case tonight is 243 to 245 West
Market Street.
[18:50] And you are
>> Courtney with Deansless Realy.
[19:12] Uh, so we will the comments below will
be forwarded to city council. There are
[19:16] meetings on Tuesday. They'll approve it
and then you can come back for your
[19:19] permit.
>> I think our comments here from the
[19:24] consultant council meeting
>> basically justify
[19:30] » all of the materials except the window
configurations
[19:34] of the addition.
>> Okay.
[19:39] which
>> so that rather than the addition the
[19:42] windows now look like the the proposed
windows on the sides and rears first of
[19:46] all they're vinyl but we would prefer
seeing a different material
[19:53] um even a composite secondly their
configuration
[19:57] front of the building is all one over
one windows and I don't know are you
[20:02] also replacing the windows in the front
of the building or oh not touching the
[20:05] front okay
Um,
[20:10] your sides and rear would be more
appropriate if you did a one over one
[20:15] window or even
a fixed operable casement with a
[20:20] simulated divided light across the
center. So, it looked like a one over
[20:24] one window rather than right now they're
they're casements that are split this
[20:29] way which
basically is not compatible with the
[20:33] rest of the building or the historic
district.
[20:35] » Makes sense. And I think we'd rather see
a material
[20:40] um again such as we had no problem with
material on the first case that was
[20:45] proposed which is the Anderson Fibrex
or something similar rather than vinyl
[20:50] and that kind of
>> I know that so my boss told me that
[20:54] they're not vinyl. I guess they're U
>> they're Excuse me.
[20:58] » They're not vinyl.
>> Oh, okay.
[20:59] » Yeah, they are UPVC.
>> Okay. And then they're the Magnus
[21:06] windows through Crystal.
>> Okay.
[21:09] » And I do have a bunch of
like their work of how like the windows
[21:13] would look. But I do agree with what
you're saying with the one over one to
[21:17] match.
>> Yeah. I think
[21:18] » just look it
>> it'll look better. It'll blend kind of
[21:22] seamlessly.
>> Through the new materials, you'll be
[21:24] able to tell it's an addition and it's
not historic, but the size and scale
[21:29] will complement the building. And then
you'll have the windows which will look
[21:32] like Yeah. Okay.
>> These are the windows going on to 20
[21:36] North Pen.
>> UPVC is is a kind of vinyl. Also,
[21:42] » it is a kind of vinyl. Yeah,
>> it is a type of vinyl.
[21:46] » They get very
>> And they're still not installed.
[21:49] » They're Yeah, that that that's another
>> Yeah, that's that was my question. It
[21:54] seems to me that's a vinyl product.
Yeah, I think we have approved PVC
[21:59] already because it's kind of but yeah,
it is a vinyl product.
[22:04] » Yeah, I'll just tell them.
>> Yeah, tell tell them we would prefer a a
[22:09] composite. They they should price out a
composite kind of material and then we
[22:13] could do an approval contingent upon
your submitting the changes to the
[22:18] consultant for their review.
[22:23] So, is that the only issue that you see
is the windows?
[22:27] » I believe so, based on the and based on
the review.
[22:31] » Is there anything else in your review,
Becky? I I think that was pretty much
[22:34] it.
>> Yeah. I mean, you guys, I don't know how
[22:36] you guys feel about the the metal
siding. We have that elsewhere in the
[22:40] historic district, but I think in terms
of like the scale of the addition, it's
[22:43] on the rear. It's not taller than the
existing building. I think all of that
[22:46] is fine.
>> And the metal siding is there's a lot of
[22:48] contemporary additions in
industrial buildings and buildings close
[22:55] to this and yeah that are using a
vertical metal siding. So I don't see
[22:58] that's an issue.
>> Can you um
[23:04] Is there an illustration that shows
exactly where that metal starts and
[23:09] stops?
>> Yeah, there are elevations in here,
[23:12] Craig. I think I
[23:25] Yeah, it's on it's on here, Craig. You
can see the vertical stripe. Basically,
[23:30] the brick is existing, correct? And this
is the addition with the metal siding.
[23:36] It kind of is above the brick and then
it goes to the ground in the back of the
[23:41] building.
anything that's basically being added.
[23:48] So, the brick kind of gives a base for
the metal siding.
[23:53] » Some reason I was not finding that page.
I went back and forth three times.
[23:57] » Oh, jeez. Here. Do you want to
>> I've got it.
[24:00] » You got it. Okay,
>> I got it. And that I'm not a fan of
[24:04] vertical meadow.
>> Okay.
[24:07] However, in new construction,
um,
[24:12] given what the Department of Interior
standards say about not attempting to
[24:19] replicate or mimic
the original facades. It makes sense and
[24:25] it works
and it is on a rear alley facade and
[24:29] we've approved similar.
>> Yeah. But we see it from market,
[24:34] » right? You will see it from market but
there's other examples within even that
[24:39] block I believe.
[24:50] I mean if if it wasn't to be vertical
metal
[24:54] would a Ephus product be the next
similar price point alternative?
[25:03] I can't answer that without somebody
doing a current estimate on it.
[25:09] Yeah,
[25:15] because prices are changing so much. I
don't know.
[25:23] I'll move that we
approve the application submitted with a
[25:29] change in the windows
for the
[25:33] sides and rear of the existing building
in the addition
[25:38] from
casement windows with a vertical
[25:42] division to
one over one windows either operable
[25:50] or with a simulated divided light
for the horizontal
[25:57] to replicate the look of the horizontal
meeting rail.
[26:01] And that the windows be a composite
material or another acceptable
[26:08] acceptable material to vinyl
and that the these approved changes be
[26:15] reviewed
with the uh consultant.
[26:19] Right. So yeah, reviewed by the and
approved by the consultant. Be
[26:24] resubmitted and approved by the
consultant.
[26:28] » Second.
>> It's been moved and seconded. Is there
[26:32] any further discussion?
Barring none, I call for a vote. All
[26:38] those in favor indicate by saying I. I.
[26:43] Okay. Thank you.
[26:59] Next case tonight, 823 South George
Street.
[27:15] I'm Brad Edlesburgger. I'm with Maverick
Moving.
[27:20] I own the company. I work job.
>> Can you Can you speak?
[27:24] » We're proposing to uh tear the asbestous
roof off of that house right there and
[27:30] sheet it in with plywood over top of the
existing decking that's underneath
[27:35] because there's nothing wrong with it.
You just want to put new plywood down.
[27:39] You know how old? and uh replace it with
a GAFHDZ
[27:46] um textual shingle
bark wood. Color here for you to see it.
[27:52] Uh but it's it's really the only option.
[28:02] » That's
[28:05] I have really get on it to repair it.
So, I mean, I can't really, you know, I
[28:08] can only really get at a certain spot
and look at certain things, but from the
[28:12] I mean, it's just it's
it's at least probably 50 years or older
[28:17] since that maintenance.
>> Yeah, I have no problem with this. Are
[28:22] you proposing to do open flashed
valleys?
[28:26] » No. Uh, we were we usually close our
valleys in.
[28:29] » Okay.
>> Um, I mean, if we have to do it that
[28:32] way. I'm not familiar yet with
historical stuff, but uh
[28:36] » yeah, usually the open flash is more
historically appropriate and you're in
[28:40] » timber line will look more like an
original product. Yeah, if you do that.
[28:45] » Yeah, metal open flash valleys.
>> Yeah. Otherwise, you're you're wrapping
[28:50] the materials.
>> Yeah, it it has them now.
[28:54] » Is it okay um if the metal is like black
or
[29:00] » Yeah. And doesn't that be copper? Okay.
[29:05] » And then it's like it's missing like a
face board there on the one side. I
[29:08] mean, I'd have to replace that
obviously. Um,
[29:10] » and the faceboard are replicated with
what? A composite material that matches
[29:14] existing.
>> I could use composite or we could use uh
[29:18] just I think it's like a 2x6 is what it
was. I mean a 1x six is what
[29:22] » Okay. Yeah. Either a painted 1x6 or as
long as it's not a wrapped.
[29:26] » Yeah.
>> Yeah.
[29:27] » Okay.
It' be painted white or whatever if it
[29:30] needed to be or we could get composite.
Yeah.
[29:33] » Will you be able to reuse the uh down
spouts and gutters?
[29:39] » Yes.
>> Yes.
[29:41] » Yes. That's I mean we didn't talk about
that. So, um there's nothing wrong with
[29:45] them. I think they're keeping them. So,
yeah.
[29:56] I make a motion we accept it
proposal
[30:04] except for with a with modifications as
follows. Yeah.
[30:11] » With modif which modifications maybe I
didn't hear.
[30:14] » Oh yeah.
>> Yeah. Open gutters.
[30:16] » Open no open flash valleys. Yeah. It can
be a dark And the gutters and down
[30:22] spouts will stay the same metal
material.
[30:24] » We'll clean them out and everything.
We'll clean all the debris out of them,
[30:27] but that they'll remain
>> gutters and down spouts the same. And
[30:31] the face shield to be replaced in kind
with either a wood or a metal material,
[30:39] a wood or a a wood or a composite
material.
[30:46] » I'll second
>> what he said.
[30:48] » I'll second the motion. Okay, it's been
moved and seconded. Is there any further
[30:52] discussion?
If not, I call for a vote. All those in
[30:57] favor indicate by saying I.
>> I.
[31:00] » The eyes have it.
[31:10] » Thanks. Because he agreed with that.
>> That's his next case is 121 West Spring
[31:17] Avenue. continue to hear it.
>> Second visit.
[31:26] » Yeah. You were here the other week,
weren't you?
[31:27] » Yeah.
[31:38] » Okay. I'll let you know.
[31:43] » It looks like in some of your review
sheets, you got some of that other roof.
[31:46] » They need permit. Just uh ignore that. I
put some of the old the previous roof
[31:52] into some of this.
>> Okay.
[31:53] » It's not this roof. It's just another
asbestous roof.
[31:58] » This is symbol. Oh. Oh, I see. Yeah.
This is from
[32:01] » This is the asbestous shingle from the
other one. Yeah. It's stapled in the
[32:06] back of it.
[32:11] » Did you say what you're going to do yet?
>> I did not. I was just wait I was just
[32:14] waiting.
>> He's
[32:18] I was waiting for
>> with all this noise. We're It's like,
[32:21] did did we miss it?
>> So, uh, at 121, uh, next door to the 105
[32:26] that we're working on, uh, there's a
tree that had fallen, branch that fell
[32:30] into the garage roof out back, and for
some insurance reasons, we kind of need
[32:34] to speed up the process. So, they were
looking at trying to get the uh, trying
[32:38] to get the approval to get the roof
replaced as kind of as soon as possible,
[32:44] satisfy the insurance.
[32:49] I I have no problem with the material or
the
[32:52] what's proposed
[32:56] visible anyway.
>> Yeah.
[32:58] » Could I ask one question? We we've been
kind of back and forth between metal and
[33:05] shingles.
Is we would we were thinking about doing
[33:09] a standing seam, but just to kind of
speed the process up, you kind of want a
[33:12] shingle. Is is it possible to do metal?
>> What's your feelings about uh metal on
[33:20] the garage?
>> We talked about it. I was hesitant
[33:24] because it suggests a historic condition
that might not be appropriate.
[33:29] » Okay.
>> Um I said we could look at it. I would
[33:31] just want to, you know, look at the rest
of the street. Is there any other metal
[33:34] roofs on garages? Was this What period
was the garage built? Would a metal roof
[33:38] have been appropriate? If you go with
asphalt shingle, like it's clearly not
[33:41] historic. It's clearly not replicating
his door. Um, now that's my opinion. You
[33:46] guys, I mean, aesthetically, it would
look quite appropriate. So, it's up to
[33:49] you guys.
>> Aesthetically, it would look fine. I
[33:52] mean, typically in that period, it
wouldn't have had a very high high seam.
[33:57] Would have been more like a flat seam or
a very low standing seam if it would
[34:01] have been metal at all.
I don't know. I don't know. What's your
[34:04] feelings about?
>> My former house on East Bransberry
[34:12] had a porch roof that was original to
the house 1907. It was a standing scene.
[34:20] Okay.
>> Metal roof.
[34:21] » Okay.
>> So, I know it was done during the time,
[34:26] » right? Period.
>> Right.
[34:32] There are metal roofs that imitate
shingles
[34:36] that their profile. Have you seen them?
>> Yeah. I don't know if that's what he's
[34:40] talking about though.
>> Are you talking about standing seam
[34:43] only?
>> Um, we're just flat panel standing seam,
[34:46] you know.
>> I think it's appropriate.
[34:49] » Okay. based on my experience.
[34:55] » I mean, aesthetically, in my opinion, I
would much rather see the metal. I I
[35:00] just I don't really care for basketball
shingles. I think it
[35:03] » Yeah.
>> You know,
[35:07] » that's
>> Yeah. So, we just with talking to Becky
[35:12] to get this in, we just went with the
shingles. But I just figured while we're
[35:15] here, might as well ask questions.
I mean, I'm fine probably with either
[35:21] or. It sounds like board's fine with
that. I mean, we could give you an
[35:25] approval for either or. What's your
thoughts, Dennis?
[35:28] » Either way.
>> Okay.
[35:33] I'll rem I'll I'll move that we accept
the application as submitted with either
[35:39] JF antique slate asphalt shingles or
a standing seam metal roof
[35:49] in similar color.
>> I would think maybe like a
[35:56] » like a gray
dark.
[35:59] » Okay. Dark gray. Okay.
Make sure you include the moss.
[36:04] » We will do our best.
>> Yeah.
[36:09] » Not that long ago, you couldn't even see
that garage. So,
[36:12] » I'm well a I'm well aware.
>> And I would say also it's it's an out
[36:17] building. Um,
and there are other examples of metal
[36:22] standing seam roofs and on auxiliary
porches, etc. in the neighborhood.
[36:33] So, we have a motion.
>> Yeah, that was the motion
[36:36] » and seconded.
>> Second.
[36:44] » It's been moved and seconded. Is there
any further discussion? If not, I call
[36:48] for a vote. All those in favor indicate
by saying I. I.
[36:51] » I. Eyes have it.
>> Thank you.
[36:54] » Good. Thank you.
[37:00] Yep.
>> Thank you.
[37:01] » Yep. So, city council is Tuesday. So,
after that, you'll be good to go.
[37:05] » Thank you.
[37:09] » Is there any other business or public
comment?
[37:18] » Uh
we are ajourned.
[37:22] » We have to do one administrative
approval.