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Good evening. I'll call the, uh, regular meeting of the, uh, york county board of supervisors

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meeting to order. And we have had a, an accident on 17

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that's resulted in a number of people not being able to make it here on time. We're gonna immediately go to

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recess and resume once we have sufficient quorum.

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we resume the meeting of the, uh, york county, uh, board of supervisors january 20th.

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I thought I had the shortest, uh, rec meeting on record, but, uh,

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that didn't last long. We now have, uh, quorum. I'll call for roll

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call, please. Mr. Roy?

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yes. Mrs. Noll? Yes. Here. Mr.

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drury. Present. Mr. R. Here. Mr. Shepherd. Here. Mr.

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chairman, you have a quorum. Thank you. We'll now move to the, uh, invocation.

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uh, brian fuller will lead us in prayer.

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please join me in prayer. Father, we can do thanks for

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this day and for the many blessings, opportunities, and even challenges

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you have bestowed upon us. Thank you also for the freedom

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and opportunities you have graciously provided, which allow us to gather

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this evening to consider county business. Give us we pray wisdom

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and discernment as we consider each business item, and help us to

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make good decisions that we have a positive impact upon our

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citizens and the county as a whole. We humble prayer in your holy name. Amen.

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amen. Mrs. Noel, if you would take us through

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the, uh, pledge

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allegiance to the flag, the united states of america,

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and to the republic for which it stands. One nation

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individual with liberty and justice for all.

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first on our, uh, presentations tonight, we have, uh, service recognition.

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I'm gonna turn the mic over to my vice chair. He will lead us through that. And I will go

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to the podium. That's me.

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that's you. Okay. Thanks.

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service recognition. Uh, the first one that will be, uh, for 35 years

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of service, assistant chief, an anthony prada,

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fire and life safety chief baldwin.

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thank you, mr. Shepherd. Mr. Horo, members of the board of supervisors, thank

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you for the opportunity to recognize chief prader for his 35 years of service to the county

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and, and the department of fire and life safety. Chief pto joined us

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back in january of 1991, rose to the ranks, serving as lieutenant several

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different captains assignments, positions, and was promoted to his current role

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as assistant chief of support services in june of 2018.

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thank you. Had each other several times over the years. Always

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a pleasure. I have a gift for you, chief baldwin,

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if you can join us for the photos

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you can. And

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then we'll both find out what's in there. , that's

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your certificate in pen.

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thanks, kim.

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thank okay. For, uh,

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next recognition for 20 years of service is master deputy

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sheriff investigator david schafer, your county sheriff's department,

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the sheriff montgomery wade. You're doing the presentation. Okay.

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good evening, mr. Holloway. Members of the board. It's my privilege tonight to introduce

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you to master deputy investigator david schafer. David

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was hired by the york percussion sheriff's office in december of 2005.

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he had spent his prior two years in law enforcement with portsmouth. Just

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before that. Since he's come to the sheriff's office, he's been a patrol deputy.

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he was a member of the sheriff's office bike team, field training officer, general instructor.

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and in 2017, he was promoted to his current rank of investigator.

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while he is been in investigations, he's been assigned to the homeland

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security human trafficking task force, and he's also our drug investigator.

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while he was a member of the homeland security human trafficking task force, he was

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part of the team that led the prosecution and the successful prosecution

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of the largest labor trafficking case to date in the commonwealth of virginia. That

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occurred, sadly, here in york county, but he was responsible for putting four individuals

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in jail as a result of his investigation. He's

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joined tonight by his wife, kendra, his son, grant. He has a daughter, peyton, who's

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at home not feeling too well tonight, so she couldn't make it. So please join me and congratulating

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investigator david schafer. Thank, thank you very much,

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sheriff. If you could join us

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certificate and pin and we thank you for your service.

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thank you. Thank you. Sure. Thank you. And

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that's all we have for the, um, presentation recognitions. Uh,

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we'll now move to the state of the norfolk airport and introduce,

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uh, let's see. Mark perryman. Where? Mark, where are you?

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oh, there he is. Okay. I just saw him the other day. Uh, he's the president and chief

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executive officer of the norfolk airport authority. Welcome.

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is that mine? Yep.

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we got it. This keyboard out.

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thank you, uh, commissioners. And mr. Shepherd, always good to see you again.

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very happy to be here. And, uh, giving, giving you the state of the, uh, airport, our

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own, uh, norfolk international, or more commonly known as orf.

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we love our orf, don't we? So, um,

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I got a little presentation about, uh, 15 minutes, and then I'll be glad to take

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any questions you have from, uh, the commissioners or even their audience if you'd like. Um,

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what I'd like to usually start with is a little bit of history of who we are. 'cause a lot of people

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are confused about who the norfolk international, uh, airport authority

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is. We're actually an independent subdivision of the commonwealth virginia. We're not a department

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of the city, uh, or anyone else. Uh, we are an independent co, uh,

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subdivision of the commonwealth. Uh, we do have a board of commissioners that are

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appointed by the norfolk city council, but that's really where our tie with the

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city of norfolk, uh, starts and stops. Many, many years ago, we started as

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municipal airport, but that has, uh, since changed, you know, decades and decades

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ago. The airport itself is, uh, independently owned and operated by

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the authority. So we own the land and we operate the airport independent of, uh,

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any other jurisdiction. What I like to say is we're really a city within

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the cities that surround us in hampton roads, and we really service

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all 17 cities and counties, uh, of hampton roads, including the

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three counties and the cities down in, uh, northeast, uh, north carolina,

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the outer banks and and whatnot. Uh, we just like you,

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and we, we have a, a, a large employment of about 230 personnel

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and growing. Uh, we have our own police and fire, as well as our own,

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uh, uh, basically public works, janitorial building, maintenance field maintenance and

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everything else. So everything that a city really does and has as a function

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or a county, uh, the airport does as well. Uh, we, the only thing we really get

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is mutual aid from virginia beach and, and city of norfolk when we have large

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incidents that may occur at the airport. Otherwise, we're pretty well self-contained.

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but that's where we kind of start and stop as a, a, um, acting

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like a municipal jurisdiction or a governmental entity. We really are acting

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more like a business. We incur costs, uh, we earn revenue,

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and we really are self-sustaining. We receive no tax dollars other than

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what we generate from parking and our other revenue sources. So we didn't, we don't

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get any local taxes or subsidies. That's where we differ. We have police power, condemnation

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power, but we don't have the power to tax otherwise, we'd be a municipality.

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so, uh, that's how close we come. But we're not quite, so our, our major

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sources of revenue come from our parking, and that's, uh, that's one thing we

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control, just like you do in the, in as well, and other municipalities do.

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and then, uh, what surprises people is that the airlines only pay for about 15%

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through their landing fees for our operating costs.

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uh, and so we, it's really, we have to generate our operating

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budget, which is about $80 million, uh, this year. And then we have a

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capital budget of about 250 million right now and growing. Uh,

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and I'll talk a little bit about that as we go. Um,

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as a entity, we also have a great impact on the entire region and

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the region's economic, uh, via, via via, uh, viability

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and volatility. Um, we have commissioned odus

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dragus center to do an economic impact study. They've now done it for a couple of years for

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us, and have found that about $2.7 billion of

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economic activity is generated by the airport alone. And that comes into

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earnings and, um, jobs and everything else. We, we, we account for

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nearly 22,000 jobs, uh, associated with the airport

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directly the airlines. Uh, and, and you can kind of go out from there to your

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secondary and tertiary impacts. But, um, we are currently

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underway with about a billion dollar development program, 993 million

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to be exact, at the present time. So, uh, we're pretty excited about

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that. And I'll talk a little bit more about that in a moment. When I

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first got here, it's just a little under four years now. April will be four years for me.

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um, I brought in, I, I came in with the idea that we needed to start benchmarking

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ourselves against other airports around the country and around the world. 'cause

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we're an international airport after all. So there's a program, an international program called

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skyras, and I enrolled us in that, not so much to get the accolades, but really

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it's an independent audit company that comes in and audits your,

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your airport and tells you, this is what you do good. This is what you do, okay. And this

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is where you really need to improve. And that was really, uh, a very, uh,

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positive tool for us as we started to develop our development program and plans

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surprising to us, I thought we'd probably get a three star or somewhere in that

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vicinity. We are a four star airport. Mind you, there are only seven, four

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star airports in the entire country, and we're one of them. And so we're very

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proud of that. And I attribute that to my very talented and devoted

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staff who take care of that airport day in and day out. What's more surprising

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is we get benchmarked against other airports around the world. So we are, we're

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considered a really, a domestic oriented airport. We have very little international,

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small eye, as I call it, versus a lot of other airports. So we got,

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uh, uh, evaluated against other domestic oriented airports around

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the world. And we are, we're considered the fourth best domestic airport

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in the world. Uh, and if you look at the list to, to, um, tokyo

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haida, uh, osaka, and, uh, chendu, those are all in

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far east asia, uh, china and japan. So when you

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peel it all away, we're the best domestic airport in the country. And

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all of north america. We're very proud of that. And you can see some of the other us airports

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right behind us, dallas, left field, chicago, midway and kansas city.

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and mind you, kansas city just spent $2 billion on a brand new terminal. And

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so we ranked above them even. Um, now talk a

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little bit about the commercial aviation market. Uh, 'cause that's what we are in.

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uh, you may have seen here recently. Uh, the, in the, in the news in the media

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that we just reported, our best year, again, ever.

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this is the fourth year running that. We've had a record year, albeit

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this year, not by much, only about six tenths of 1% above last year.

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and I can, you can see two little dips there on the chart in, on the red line.

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one of 'em was last february. Uh, we had a leap. We were coming off a leap year.

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so we're one day short in our activity, and that surprises people. But that

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counts for a little bit of, uh, uh, decline as well. That's when we

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got hit by the snowstorm last, uh, last year. Um, even though

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we never closed airlines, preemptively canceled. And so we lost activity

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there. And then you'll look again in november, where we were down about five, a little over

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5%. You can probably imagine the government shutdown had an impact on

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us. And even though the government shutdown started in october, people had

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already booked flights and they were already planning. But by november, people were starting to pull back

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because they, nobody knew when it was really gonna end. And so

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we can see we rebounded very quickly, uh, from that and had, uh, another

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good, uh, december and rounded out the year very well. Um,

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one of the things that is, is great about our airport is the number of nonstop destinations.

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we now have 45, uh, actually I should revise. I need to revise that. We're now

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up to 47 nonstop destinations here shortly with the,

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uh, san juan, puerto rico and cancun being added. Our

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first international and our near international with san juan.

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uh, what's important about that, uh, chart to the, on your right there is

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where we stand. We're about middle of the pack there with 45.

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every airport on that list is bigger than we are. And if you

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look down a little, just a little way, san jose, california only has 41 nonstops.

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that's an airport that's twice our size, more than twice our size. Milwaukee, memphis,

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all airports larger than us. And we have more nonstop destinations.

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a lot of that is attributed to breeze airways, who we landed about four years

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ago and have brought 20 nonstop destinations to us

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and growing. They're the ones also who just brought, brought us cancun. And I think

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we soon we'll see more international caribbean destinations from

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them. But we're not stopping there. Here's a list of our top 50

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destinations, uh, that passengers fly to. You can see on

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the left hand side, that's our top 25. We almost have that one

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rounded out. We need seattle and san, san antonio, texas. And then we'd have

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all top 25 nonstops. And then on the right hand side is

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the rest of the top 50. We'll, never probably quite get that, because I don't think we're

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gonna fly nonstop to honolulu, our number 34 destination,

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although we'd love to do that. But I think we'll fill, start filling that

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out a lot more as we are dropping the greenland bars off of that as we go.

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and then international, there's been a lot of talk about what we're doing internationally and trying to

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fly transatlantic. Uh, we, as I said, we just started, we're now

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two weeks into our cancun operations and things are going smoothly

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and growing there. Um, but we are still actively chasing our

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transatlantic routes. And I think, uh, within the next year or two

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at the most, we may land that, but it's gonna take a coalition

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of the entire hampton roads region to be able to do that. 'cause as you can see

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on the right hand side, here's where we compete with other airports around the

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country. Kansas city, jacksonville, san antonio, comas, all larger markets than

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us, uh, that are also competing for transatlantic service. So we're, this

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is where airports compete, transatlantic service in particular. And you can see

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richmond's just a couple of notches down below us. But we still have a stronger, uh,

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demand for transatlantic service than they do. As I mentioned.

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uh, we're in the game. We're, we, we will win this service at some point,

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but it's gonna take a coalition of our local governments and cbbs our businesses

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and development agencies. The general assembly plays a role in this as well, as

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well as the authority itself. Uh, it is gonna take all of us together to land

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those international flights. 'cause we have to show that airline that we mean

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business, that we are gonna back that service at

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least initially while it's getting started. And so it's gonna take a lot to be able to do that,

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and it's gonna really require all of us. But we do have the demand. We've,

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we've proven that we can fill two flights a week to,

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uh, somewhere in europe, whether it be dublin, london, paris,

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uh, frankfurt, somewhere, uh, or even revic iceland would get us into

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the network of, of airlines. And what we're really trying to do there is, and I'll

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use the example of if you try to go to prague from here, you're going to change

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planes at least twice, if not three times. If we can get from here to dublin,

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you can get from dublin to prague. So that's the kind of change in dynamic

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that it changes, uh, for our, our traveling public. And likewise,

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them coming here is a big change for them. So let's

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talk a little bit about the future of orf and where we're going in this billion dollar development

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program. Uh, some recently completed projects, we just, uh,

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recently closed runway 1432. That was our crosswind runway.

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uh, it was not being used very much, very, very little because

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it's so short. And with our air carrier fleet changing, it can no longer

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accommodate commercial air service. So we closed that runway because that

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runway takes a lot to maintain and upkeep. And so we have

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a lot of development, other development that we need to, to do there to be able to, uh,

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accommodate, uh, the growth that we are having. Uh, the moving sidewalks. That

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was the number one complaint when I arrived. Uh, when I met the public. When are we gonna

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get our moving sidewalks back? I said, well, if we, if the federal feds will help out,

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we'll do it. And sure enough, they did. And those are now operational as of, uh, earlier

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last year. And then, uh, we have shoreline. We are surrounded

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by water on three sides of the airport. So we have very similar to, to

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a lot of, uh, the land around here have to concern ourselves with our

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shoreline. And so we just did a shoreline replacement project, uh, late last year. And,

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and it was very successful as well. Some of the projects

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that are just ongoing are just wrapping up. Uh, we just finished, uh, we're at

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the punch list stage of our interior wayfinding. If you've been to the airport recently, you've

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seen these new bright lit signs where you can find your way around

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as, uh, opposed to the old bei on bei on beige, as I used to call it.

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uh, we're about to open three new gates on the a concourse, uh,

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which american airlines has agreed. And they're gonna be moving into. This is gonna be a brand

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new space. Bright, uh, high ceilings and windows. It's not

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gonna be as enclosed as our current hold rooms. And then next

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week, we hope, uh, we'll have the final punch list and approval to open

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our new federal inspection services or our new international arrivals

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facility, which customs and board of protection will be moving into. And so that's

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pretty exciting for us as well. And then a few of the projects that we're

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have just recently started that are, are really getting into the large dollar,

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uh, tick ticket items of our capital development program. Uh, we're gonna be

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improving the intersection as you come in right now, as you, as you know, you come across the

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norview avenue bridge and which direction do I go? It's a y and it's

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like, it's very confusing. We have a lot of accidents there. And then also the robin

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hood road connection. That is, if you come off of that, uh, we're gonna be straightening,

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straightening all that out, creating a brand new lighted and signaled intersection,

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uh, as the new gateway into the airport. Very easy to find and easy to

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navigate through. Um, that's one of the reasons why all the trees started to

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come down at the front entrance to the airport. The other reason is the second project was

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our consolidated rental car facility. Right now, they're housed within our two

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floors of our, uh, a garage. Um, they're

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out of room. And our, the, as our growth grow, as passengers grow, also

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the rental cars grow, and we really don't have any more room to accommodate them within the parking

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structure without taking more parking away from our patrons. And we don't want to do that.

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um, in addition, they have to service every vehicle that comes in and needs to be

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vacuumed, washed and, and, and fueled. They have to drive it three

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miles down to military highway to a facility and then bring it back, which delays the

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turnover of vehicles. So we're building a brand new state-of-the-art, consolidate

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a rental car facility, which will have a wash rack and fueling station right within, built

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within the campus so that they never have to leave with the, to service the

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vehicles. And it's, it also increases the capacity of value, about

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35 to 40%. So we have plenty of growth for the future years,

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and project has started as well. And that's also going in that area where the

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trees have been recently removed. And then finally, the, the, uh, other project that

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will be starting later this year, which is the new departures terminal, we're going

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to take the two wings on either side and bring the, build a new building off

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the front. And so it'll basically parallel the back claim

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building. And we'll have one curb, so there's no longer which curb do I go down for which

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airline. So it'll be much more convenient for everybody to, uh, navigate

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through the airport. And then that also provides a lot of other opportunities of

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consolidating our rental car or not our consolidating our checkpoint tsa

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checkpoint. Instead of having the two, we'll have one. And so that once you're behind

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security, you can go to a or b without any problems. Uh, along with that, we

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are, uh, just getting started on a brand new concessions program. You may have

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also heard a lot about that. Uh, we're gonna be having a lot of new local

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restaurants, uh, and shops, uh, to the hampton roads area

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within the airport of cova brewing, if you know that. Uh,

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town city, town city cold press, uh,

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oh, hope the ghost kitchen, uh, which is a food truck that will be their first brick

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and mortar. And so we're helping a young entrepreneur. You'll

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bring a restaurant up. And so we're gonna be doing that in the, uh, in the airport.

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it's also happens to be the most popular food truck we have at the airport, so

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it's gonna be great there. So there's just a few of the projects that we have underway.

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and here's just a little video and I turn,

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there you go. So this is what it will look like as you're crossing into norview.

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here's that new interchange that I referenced. The new orf

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signage that it comes in.

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wave finding will be much easier with the high overhead gantry signs and

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things of that nature. We're gonna keep, we're gonna bring trees back, but there'll

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be more street scaped and appropriate as a boulevard.

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and then what you've seen in front of you now is the new consolidated rental car

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facility. You'll actually enter that from the robin hood roadside,

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'cause we don't want to have as many street penetrations on the boulevard coming into the

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airport. So you'll enter and exit that on the robin hood road,

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uh, uh, side road.

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and on the left you can see the existing arrivals, uh, building, uh, where your bad

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claim is today. And then on the left hand side is the new, uh, departures

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building. Uh, there, this is a little outdated. Uh, we've now extended that

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building a little bit more so that we have more, uh, drop off, uh, curb front. Um,

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this still had a little bit of the side to side, but, uh, we're, that's being

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changed as we speak, uh, because we actually got a better price

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from our contractor. Uh, so we're able to do more for less

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in that moment. Here you can enter the, the new ticketing hall

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your driver drives, like we stuff and .

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so this is our new ticketing hall and, uh, vertical circulation change

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where escalators and elevators will be moved to here. One central location that you'll

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go up, you can see the high ceilings. Uh, that little

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bridge that you see there, that's part of the existing pedestrian bridge that'll be brought inside.

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and then you'll see the ticketing is, uh, uh, much more,

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uh, pull that down on the right. There was at the, that's the original that'll

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be actually brought around to the front. That's the one change that, uh, we just

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recently made. Um, and so here's the new ticketing hall out

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front. And then also this side will, uh, is swinging out as well.

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so there'll be less, you won't go as far back into the building as you do today.

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so all the way down where southwest is on one side and united is on

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the other, those will become other functions within the airport. So it'll just be

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a little, little u shape is what it's gonna become.

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good morning. If we can go to questions now, we are a little bit behind. Okay. Okay.

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I all, this is on transform f.com and you can go out and take

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a look. So start on my right. Mrs. No, thank,

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thank you very much. I wondered if hrbt has affected the passenger

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travel from the peninsula. Um, it,

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I, I don't say that it has necessarily, but it will, once

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the tunnels open up, we anticipate much, much more traffic free,

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free flowing down. Um, it's an optimistic point of view. I agree with you,

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. Well, given the current state of, uh, phf and

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its number of flights, I, I, I pretty much think, you know, it's gonna be us or going

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north to richmond is, is gonna be the option. I think a lot go to richmond right now

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in the peninsula. Absolutely. So it'll may change. We'll see. Yep. Thank you so much. You

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bet. Yeah, just, uh, kind of anecdotal, um,

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information. My daughter goes to richmond, the fly to boston, and I found out the other

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day that we, jetblue flies from here directly to boston. This is a lot closer.

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so she's gonna come, start going over there now. Save her an hour trip,

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basically. Absolutely. Well, we were just talking about this today in staff meeting

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that, um, the addition of jet, one of the reasons we lose, we lost so

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much traffic to richmond was jetblue because we didn't have jetblue. They did.

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and a lot of people are very loyal to airlines as we know. Jetblue

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just went, started with one trip to boston. Um, starting this

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next month, they will be flying boston, fort lauderdale and san juan, puerto rico.

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so they see something in orf and they're now gonna grow. I think

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they're kind of kicking themselves from limiting the themselves to richmond for so

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long. Right. The, um, so the uh, um, and the

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construction, the tunnel will be done in 27, so that should take care of

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that problem. Um, and, uh, I'm just wondering, you

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gonna be able to handle, if there's an expansion of, uh, you know, the terminals where

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you have to like, you know, you go down to atlanta, whatever, and they got these wings of, you

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know, terminal a, terminal b and all that, you be able to do that. We've got plenty of,

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uh, with this new program that we're developing this billion dollars we're investing,

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we will have plenty of capacity to handle, uh, twice the passengers

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we do today. Okay. Well great. Mark, thank you very much for coming. Thank you,

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wayne. Yeah, thanks for coming. I appreciate the,

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uh, update. Uh, a lot of exciting stuff going on. It looks like you're

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doing a great job. So keep that up. Um, I, for 1:00 am

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uh, looking forward to more international flights so I don't have to drive to washington

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to get out of dulles. Uh, 'cause that's, uh, a nightmare trying

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to go up there. So I'm looking forward to some of those international trips coming right out. Know,

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so let's get that tunnel done so I don't have to fight that either, so. Absolutely.

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but thanks for your time. You bet. Alright. Yeah, thanks for the,

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uh, overview. Very informative. I learned a few things. Um, your

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staff does a great job, uh, providing an enjoyable travel experience once you're at the airport.

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thank you. But getting the airport, and you touched upon this a little bit and be a bit of a stressor

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mm-hmm . Are there opportunities that work with local municipalities, city of norfolk

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vdot to try to find ways to get your travelers to your

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facility easier and less stressful? Well, um, one of the things,

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and, and I just noticed this, and, and mr. Shepherd was there at the last meeting where we went over

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the, um, h tpos, the tip and that, you know,

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that's key to getting any surface and interchange, uh,

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modifications done. Uh, we do have a modification, uh,

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request in for the robinhood military highway. Right now, it's, it's

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not a fully functioning interchange. So if you're leaving

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the airport and trying to go east and south, you have to go to norview. Uh,

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with, with that, we're gonna try to get that fixed at robinhood road. The one

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thing I didn't say is we're straightening out robinhood road with the runway closure. We're gonna

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bring that straight across, and so we're gonna improve that corridor, which doesn't have

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all the lights, doesn't have all the residences like you see on norview.

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and I think it'll provide a, a better experience for most travelers coming to

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the airport and much easier to get in and out of. Okay. Good to hear. Thanks. Yeah. Okay,

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mark, great presentation. Thank you for coming and sharing that with us. You have one question. Sure.

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how many corporate jets do you handle in a, in a day or a week? Uh, we

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have 88 based aircraft there. About half of those are small single engine

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piston and the rest are corporate jets. Uh, on any given day, we're

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probably, you know, 40 to 50 corporate

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flights a day. Uh, we have quite a bit. And we are, we just, um,

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with the offshore wind project, uh, that's going on with dominion, uh,

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heli services is a new company, uh, that's based out of new england. They're

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actually gonna set up an operation here to service that dominion, wind, wind farm, and they're

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gonna be flying, uh, 10 helicopters or more a day out to the

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wind farm just to service that. And so they're gonna be at orf as well.

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we've often heard of schooling being a reason people move to this area, but ease of, uh,

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of airport traffic is another big reason why a lot of people absolutely. In this

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area. And with all these changes and plans, we're just, we're not gonna change

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who we are as an airport and what we are as an airport. We just wanna make it easier and

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better for our public. I was just gonna add on to that, what we've learned, uh, from

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some of our, uh, time spent with other municipalities around here.

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companies are also looking for that ease of transport in and out of

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locations. And, uh, this is ideal for, uh, for anybody in the new york county region.

419
00:30:44,205 --> 00:30:46,165
absolutely. Thank you for your time. You bet. Thank you so much.

420
00:30:49,475 --> 00:30:52,645
next on presentations we have, um, budget mid-year review.

421
00:30:53,495 --> 00:30:55,325
susan goodwin will lead, uh, that discussion.

422
00:31:11,235 --> 00:31:14,925
good evening. Tonight I'll be reviewing our midyear financial

423
00:31:15,725 --> 00:31:19,205
forecast. Uh, we're halfway through the fiscal year, so we have enough financial

424
00:31:19,805 --> 00:31:23,485
activity to forecast what we think where we're gonna land at the end of this year with revenues and expenditures.

425
00:31:25,825 --> 00:31:29,725
so, um, as the board is aware, we're consistently doing budget monitoring to make sure

426
00:31:29,845 --> 00:31:33,485
that the assumptions that we made the budget are tracking how we would expect.

427
00:31:33,905 --> 00:31:37,795
and so we do that, um, through a variety of different ways from

428
00:31:38,085 --> 00:31:41,605
running, um, projections. After each, uh, payroll is run

429
00:31:42,265 --> 00:31:46,225
to running different revenue and expense trend reports to having, uh,

430
00:31:46,445 --> 00:31:50,245
systems within our financial system to stop overspending accounts

431
00:31:51,105 --> 00:31:54,965
so that, you know, it prevents that from happening. All of those practices help us,

432
00:31:55,345 --> 00:31:59,125
um, monitor the budget and help us develop the next year's budget based on what changes

433
00:31:59,495 --> 00:32:03,425
we're seeing. Tonight I'm

434
00:32:03,645 --> 00:32:07,365
gonna be focusing on general fund, uh, which is the primary operating fund of the county.

435
00:32:08,145 --> 00:32:12,035
and when we're looking at the general fund, um, there's over 200 individual revenue line

436
00:32:12,325 --> 00:32:15,725
items, but the revenues listed here are our key revenues and make up about 92%

437
00:32:16,585 --> 00:32:17,045
of our budget.

438
00:32:20,825 --> 00:32:24,605
so the first is real estate tax revenue, and that is our largest single revenue source

439
00:32:25,005 --> 00:32:28,965
and the general fund, um, you'll see here

440
00:32:29,125 --> 00:32:32,905
on this chart that we have the last four years of actual activity, our budget for

441
00:32:33,205 --> 00:32:37,145
fy 26, and then the light is blue is where our projection for

442
00:32:37,375 --> 00:32:41,055
where we think we're gonna land this year based

443
00:32:41,405 --> 00:32:45,325
on the first half collections. You know, collections real estate are in december and june. So we've got

444
00:32:45,465 --> 00:32:49,265
our first half collected. We are currently projecting real estate tax

445
00:32:49,625 --> 00:32:51,885
to, uh, finish above budget by 1.2 million.

446
00:32:57,825 --> 00:33:01,605
uh, the next thing that we always talk about when we talk about real estate tax, um, that goes hand

447
00:33:01,845 --> 00:33:05,725
in hand with it, is the disabled veterans tax relief. Uh, and we talk about

448
00:33:05,925 --> 00:33:09,845
that in concert with the real estate tax revenue because it does represent a, a large

449
00:33:10,155 --> 00:33:14,145
portion of our, uh, real estate tax revenue. Um,

450
00:33:14,365 --> 00:33:17,795
this tax exemption started in 2011 and it has grown significantly

451
00:33:18,775 --> 00:33:22,725
since then. Uh, in the past year alone, the total exemptions have increased by $1 million,

452
00:33:24,185 --> 00:33:28,085
um, at 5 million, uh, for 2025. That represents almost 4 cents

453
00:33:28,585 --> 00:33:32,465
on the tax rate because we have a higher concentration of

454
00:33:32,745 --> 00:33:36,685
of veterans in this area. We do anticipate that we're gonna continue to see growth

455
00:33:36,925 --> 00:33:40,805
like this in the exemption program. And what is the disabled tax relief if

456
00:33:41,005 --> 00:33:44,305
you include personal property? It, that brings it up another 1.3 million,

457
00:33:45,465 --> 00:33:49,445
so 6.4 mm-hmm . Speaking of

458
00:33:49,805 --> 00:33:53,205
personal property, um, like real estate, we collect this in

459
00:33:53,885 --> 00:33:57,885
december and in june, and based on the collections today, we're expecting this to fall

460
00:33:58,085 --> 00:34:02,005
just a little short of our budget by about $300,000 for the

461
00:34:02,125 --> 00:34:05,825
year. Public

462
00:34:06,245 --> 00:34:10,065
service corporations or utility companies like, you know, power gas,

463
00:34:10,465 --> 00:34:14,365
telecommunications, and those are valued by the state. And we receive those valuations in

464
00:34:14,765 --> 00:34:18,765
september each year. You can see we had a spike in 25. Uh, we backed the budget

465
00:34:18,965 --> 00:34:22,965
down in 26 because we thought it would kind of stabilize and it did.

466
00:34:23,225 --> 00:34:27,165
we got those, uh, values in september and we are tracking to be right on budget at 3.7 million.

467
00:34:32,505 --> 00:34:36,365
so now I'm gonna kind of talk through our other local taxes and how they're trending. I provided this

468
00:34:36,605 --> 00:34:40,445
slide just to show, um, all the, the state code, um, references

469
00:34:40,645 --> 00:34:44,465
that give the county the authority to collect these taxes. Thanks.

470
00:34:48,705 --> 00:34:52,405
um, the state collects 6% sales tax from retailers and distributes

471
00:34:53,025 --> 00:34:57,005
1% of that to the county. Uh, at this time we only have collections through october,

472
00:34:57,625 --> 00:35:01,485
so that trails quite a bit. Um, and based on those collections, we're expecting to fall

473
00:35:01,935 --> 00:35:04,485
short of our fy 26 estimate by about $300,000.

474
00:35:06,385 --> 00:35:10,345
we think some of this may be attributable to the government shutdown in october. Uh,

475
00:35:10,565 --> 00:35:14,405
we'll have our november collections soon, and so we'll be able to see if that's kind of

476
00:35:14,645 --> 00:35:17,605
rebounded. But right now, based on that trend, we think it's gonna fall a little short.

477
00:35:20,185 --> 00:35:24,125
the historic triangle tax, um, um, in addition to the 6% sales

478
00:35:24,505 --> 00:35:28,405
tax, we do the 1% historic triangle tax in williamsburg, james city county, and

479
00:35:28,565 --> 00:35:32,405
york county. 50% of that revenue is deposited directly into the state

480
00:35:32,845 --> 00:35:36,765
historic triangle fund. The other half, which is displayed here, is deposited into

481
00:35:37,085 --> 00:35:40,285
our general fund and we're expecting to meet that budget of 6 million.

482
00:35:42,815 --> 00:35:46,275
and that's the 50%? That's 50%, yes. That's 6 million

483
00:35:46,895 --> 00:35:50,755
or that is what we get 50. That's 50% and that's 50%? Mm-hmm . Okay.

484
00:35:50,935 --> 00:35:52,115
the other 6 million goes to the state.

485
00:35:55,775 --> 00:35:59,075
so meals tax of 4% is charged on prepared food and beverages.

486
00:35:59,805 --> 00:36:03,675
50% of our meals tax in the county is goes to support capital

487
00:36:03,995 --> 00:36:07,755
projects for, uh, storm water, sewer, and water. The other half

488
00:36:08,035 --> 00:36:11,785
is what you're looking at here that goes directly to the general fund. Um, this

489
00:36:12,135 --> 00:36:15,725
one here is, we're projecting about $80,000 below

490
00:36:16,145 --> 00:36:20,075
what our budget is for the year. Um, similar to sales tax, it may be

491
00:36:20,315 --> 00:36:24,295
a little bit of slow down from the government shutdown. Um, but we,

492
00:36:24,515 --> 00:36:27,395
we will have a better idea, uh, soon when we get a couple more months of collections.

493
00:36:30,665 --> 00:36:34,515
lodging tax of 5% is paid for any, uh, room rented on a short term basis.

494
00:36:35,445 --> 00:36:39,235
60% of the revenues, um, are earmarked for tourism activities per state

495
00:36:39,505 --> 00:36:43,255
code. The remaining 40%, which is what we show here, um,

496
00:36:43,575 --> 00:36:46,675
is allocated to the general fund. And we are expecting to meet budget this year.

497
00:36:51,035 --> 00:36:54,975
business license revenue is due annually on march 1st, and it's based on

498
00:36:55,315 --> 00:36:59,235
a business's gross receipts for the proceeding calendar year. So we haven't started

499
00:36:59,355 --> 00:37:03,115
collecting these yet, but we do expect to slightly exceed budget just based on

500
00:37:03,455 --> 00:37:05,435
uh, uh, what we're seeing so far.

501
00:37:08,175 --> 00:37:11,095
so what does this mean for our total revenue projection for 26?

502
00:37:12,225 --> 00:37:16,035
here you can see all those categories I've talked about. In total,

503
00:37:16,455 --> 00:37:20,355
we expect a minimal revenue surplus, about 800,000, which is

504
00:37:20,515 --> 00:37:21,675
less than 1% of our revenue budget.

505
00:37:26,535 --> 00:37:30,075
and here, uh, we show all the expenditures by, by type,

506
00:37:31,095 --> 00:37:34,855
um, and we are projecting some modest savings in several of those, um,

507
00:37:35,245 --> 00:37:37,235
categories, totaling about $2.1 million.

508
00:37:41,845 --> 00:37:45,825
so when you take those two together, the revenue surplus and the expenditure sur surplus, it

509
00:37:45,985 --> 00:37:49,725
totals about 2.9 million or 1.5% of our

510
00:37:50,295 --> 00:37:54,165
adopted budget. What falls into the personal, uh,

511
00:37:54,625 --> 00:37:58,415
services category? That's salaries and benefits. Okay,

512
00:38:00,255 --> 00:38:04,005
that makes sense. And so to put that in perspective, um,

513
00:38:04,405 --> 00:38:08,145
on how we compare to prior year surplus, um, I wanted to show

514
00:38:08,455 --> 00:38:12,455
what our surplus has been since fy 20. Of course we had the spike in the covid year,

515
00:38:13,165 --> 00:38:16,955
uh, when we had a lot of one time, excuse me, one time funding cares

516
00:38:17,325 --> 00:38:21,025
and, and arpa. But since 23 it's kind of returned to pre pandemic levels.

517
00:38:21,685 --> 00:38:25,635
you can see here this year at 2.9 million. It's looking a little bit lower than we've

518
00:38:25,985 --> 00:38:29,865
seen in the last couple years. But again, if things we're gonna continue to monitor that data

519
00:38:30,485 --> 00:38:34,485
as we get those collections on sales and meals and adjust, um, you

520
00:38:34,705 --> 00:38:38,445
know, as we see fit, and again, that will help inform us further our fy 27

521
00:38:38,885 --> 00:38:38,885
budget.

522
00:38:44,635 --> 00:38:47,615
that's all I had. Any questions?

523
00:38:49,025 --> 00:38:51,655
start over on my, uh, left. Any questions wayne?

524
00:38:54,685 --> 00:38:57,875
yeah. Right back to where you were at the, uh, surplus history. Uh,

525
00:38:59,685 --> 00:39:03,275
it's looks like it's dropped down from six, almost 7 million to

526
00:39:03,755 --> 00:39:07,735
around three. What's the, what was, what's the cause of that? Are we

527
00:39:07,935 --> 00:39:11,625
projecting? Yeah, well you might recall last year we were projecting around three, which

528
00:39:11,975 --> 00:39:15,875
is, you know, our budget team does a phenomenal job of getting it close. You

529
00:39:16,095 --> 00:39:20,015
need to be conservative 'cause you don't wanna, you know, push it too much and then, you know, have to

530
00:39:20,135 --> 00:39:23,935
adjust your, your budget during the year, uh, because you don't have enough revenue.

531
00:39:24,715 --> 00:39:28,695
but they do a really good job of getting pretty close within this time, we're looking at one and a

532
00:39:28,775 --> 00:39:32,095
half percent. Last year at this time we were budgeting about $3 million surplus,

533
00:39:33,235 --> 00:39:37,115
but with the fy 26 budget, we did change the tax rate and

534
00:39:37,335 --> 00:39:40,895
so we got half that collection in 25 that we wouldn't have expected

535
00:39:41,445 --> 00:39:45,285
because of the timing of the tax rate increase. Mm-hmm . So last

536
00:39:45,575 --> 00:39:49,575
year we really ended with 3.9 million before you factored in the effect of

537
00:39:49,935 --> 00:39:53,645
the tax increase. So all I'm saying is it's tracking similarly

538
00:39:54,475 --> 00:39:57,885
to it as it did last year. Okay.

539
00:40:03,335 --> 00:40:06,595
anything else? Not right now, david. Yeah, so 2.9%

540
00:40:08,315 --> 00:40:12,215
is 1.5 of the general fund, 1.5% of the general fund,

541
00:40:12,415 --> 00:40:16,115
correct. 2.9 million, yes. Mm-hmm . Okay. What, what is our normal target for

542
00:40:16,855 --> 00:40:20,815
a surplus or for a general? It's, it's higher than that. Well, I

543
00:40:20,935 --> 00:40:24,475
don't, I wouldn't say that we have a target for a surplus. Um, you know, we, we are,

544
00:40:25,035 --> 00:40:28,695
you know, budget conservatively to make sure that we don't have any, you know, unexpected,

545
00:40:29,515 --> 00:40:33,095
uh, changes during the year. Um, but I wouldn't say we budget for a surplus.

546
00:40:33,535 --> 00:40:37,255
I mean, we want some cushion and I think $3 million is, is is pretty close.

547
00:40:37,955 --> 00:40:41,935
the finance director might have a different, uh, opinion on that. Right. That's what I was getting at. Mm-hmm .

548
00:40:42,015 --> 00:40:45,955
our comfort level as far as is reasonable comfortable at

549
00:40:46,175 --> 00:40:49,615
$3 million or did we look for a larger cushion

550
00:40:50,315 --> 00:40:54,215
for unexpected sewer sewer line breaks that we gotta

551
00:40:54,375 --> 00:40:58,015
pay for? Yeah, I mean we, things like that mean, you know, it's a fair question and I think

552
00:40:58,465 --> 00:41:02,255
maybe around 5 million would've feel would, uh, we, we'd like to see that,

553
00:41:03,155 --> 00:41:07,055
um, the board will call at the end of the year. We look at that surplus

554
00:41:07,455 --> 00:41:11,375
to help us in lots of ways. One time funding for capital projects. And so, and we

555
00:41:11,535 --> 00:41:15,455
count on that in our cip when we're doing that planning of allocating part of that

556
00:41:15,575 --> 00:41:19,495
surplus to the cip. So in that regard, we do want to have some there, but it's

557
00:41:19,695 --> 00:41:23,335
a, you know, delicate balance to budget conservatively but not overestimate

558
00:41:24,155 --> 00:41:27,875
so that, you know, you have a, a giant surplus, um, at any given year, so.

559
00:41:28,705 --> 00:41:32,435
right. I know I'm not really answering the question, but is it is, well you gave me an idea, but

560
00:41:32,795 --> 00:41:36,565
we need to have something there. Should something catastrophic happen during the year

561
00:41:37,385 --> 00:41:41,285
and we have something to fall back on and if mm-hmm . And if nothing catastrophic happens and it goes to

562
00:41:41,445 --> 00:41:44,645
pay down debt to courts capital projects, so right. It works that there.

563
00:41:45,745 --> 00:41:49,645
you mentioned earlier about the impact the federal government shut down had on some of our numbers.

564
00:41:50,705 --> 00:41:54,425
and I'm asking you to look into a crystal ball a little bit here, but how

565
00:41:54,835 --> 00:41:58,765
exposed are we with our budget and the cycle we're at?

566
00:41:59,265 --> 00:42:02,505
should we see ano another government shut down here in the near future, or?

567
00:42:03,395 --> 00:42:07,205
well, it, it de our consumer sensitive revenues really are affected by things like

568
00:42:07,405 --> 00:42:11,065
that. And so we see people starting to react and change their habits and,

569
00:42:11,585 --> 00:42:15,465
you know, outside of real estate and personal property, uh, the next largest, uh,

570
00:42:15,685 --> 00:42:18,885
revenue sources are those consumer sensitive ones. And so it is a concern,

571
00:42:19,825 --> 00:42:23,765
um, you know, again, with only having collections through october

572
00:42:24,105 --> 00:42:27,765
for sales tax, it's kind of hard to say, uh, we think the indicators are that it's

573
00:42:28,365 --> 00:42:32,325
rebounding, um, but it is something we're always paying close attention to. And I will

574
00:42:32,485 --> 00:42:36,085
say in addition to the surplus, you know, the, the county does have a fund balance policy,

575
00:42:36,625 --> 00:42:40,605
so we have a reserve for if there was something catastrophic that would occur. So we

576
00:42:40,685 --> 00:42:44,625
don't rely on the surplus for that. We do have, you know, fund balance, you know, set

577
00:42:44,845 --> 00:42:48,845
reserve set aside as part of our financial policies to make sure policies to make

578
00:42:49,005 --> 00:42:52,885
sure that in the case of an emergency we can pull on that. Right. Uh, this just can add

579
00:42:53,085 --> 00:42:57,045
to it or help with some of that one time funding. Right. Okay. Alright. Thank you. You know

580
00:42:57,165 --> 00:42:59,955
what that reserve fund is approximately?

581
00:43:01,435 --> 00:43:04,405
it's, uh, yeah, 22 million.

582
00:43:06,155 --> 00:43:09,915
okay. Ish. 12% of our total, um, general fund

583
00:43:10,745 --> 00:43:14,205
budget is what the target is at the end of each year for unassigned fund balance.

584
00:43:15,395 --> 00:43:19,225
okay. Thanks susan. I'm

585
00:43:19,445 --> 00:43:23,445
looking at the projected 26, uh, surplus is 1.5.

586
00:43:24,845 --> 00:43:28,765
historically, how much has it our surplus been over, let's say

587
00:43:28,885 --> 00:43:32,885
the last five years? Percent wise? Percent wise? Yeah. I mean, I think it's anywhere

588
00:43:33,005 --> 00:43:36,995
from like two to six, 4%. Yeah.

589
00:43:37,285 --> 00:43:41,095
I mean two to four. Two to 4%. Yeah. And so, I mean, again,

590
00:43:41,505 --> 00:43:45,425
that's pretty close if you think about how we're, you know, that's what I'm

591
00:43:45,645 --> 00:43:49,325
thinking about. Yeah, I mean it's not, uh, again, it's the balance

592
00:43:50,025 --> 00:43:54,005
of, of getting close and a lot of times, you know, we'll have vacancies, vacancies during the

593
00:43:54,165 --> 00:43:57,885
year, so we know we're gonna, you know, usually see something in the

594
00:43:58,195 --> 00:44:02,125
expenditure category that helps toward that. Um, so again, it's just, it's just

595
00:44:02,245 --> 00:44:06,085
finding that balance and sometimes the times things don't happen the way that we expect, you know,

596
00:44:06,625 --> 00:44:10,425
we wouldn't have necessarily anticipated a, a government shutdown for

597
00:44:10,665 --> 00:44:14,165
as long as it was mm-hmm . Um, so that's contributing as well.

598
00:44:15,615 --> 00:44:18,245
thank you. Now I'm good, thanks.

599
00:44:19,825 --> 00:44:23,005
I'm actually good as well. Okay. Most of my questions have been answered already. Thank you, susan.

600
00:44:25,265 --> 00:44:27,605
at this point we'll move to, uh, citizen comment period.

601
00:44:29,665 --> 00:44:31,435
uh, first speaker I have is pam poeo.

602
00:44:46,315 --> 00:44:50,205
good evening. My name is pam poeo. I reside at 1 0 3 kimberly court. Yorktown.

603
00:44:51,755 --> 00:44:55,525
imagine walking down the street and passing an alleyway. You see a woman being

604
00:44:55,805 --> 00:44:59,785
raped. Do you ignore it and hurry on your way? Or do you call 9 1 1 and

605
00:45:00,025 --> 00:45:04,005
try to stop the attack? If you do nothing, you are just as guilty as the

606
00:45:04,365 --> 00:45:08,205
rapist. When asked why he was stalling the release of the epstein files,

607
00:45:08,495 --> 00:45:12,405
trump said, my friends will get hurt. Yes, he's concerned about the

608
00:45:12,765 --> 00:45:16,705
rapists, not the victims. Maga republicans knew trump was

609
00:45:16,925 --> 00:45:20,925
a convicted felon and sexual assaulter. He hired undocumented aliens at his resorts

610
00:45:21,365 --> 00:45:25,245
and construction sites. He was convicted of defrauding people with his trump

611
00:45:25,445 --> 00:45:29,285
foundation in trump university. He tried to overthrow an election that over

612
00:45:29,525 --> 00:45:33,395
60 courts, 50 governors, and numerous recounts said

613
00:45:33,705 --> 00:45:37,565
was not rigged, which he refused to accept. He was responsible for

614
00:45:37,725 --> 00:45:41,605
an insurrection that resulted in 140 law enforcement officers being injured in

615
00:45:41,765 --> 00:45:45,245
the deaths of five people. He promised, pardon the attackers,

616
00:45:46,035 --> 00:45:49,995
trump's laws lies every time he opens his mouth. You knew what

617
00:45:50,285 --> 00:45:53,845
he was and you just didn't care. Trump said, of respecting international

618
00:45:54,585 --> 00:45:57,885
law, the only thing that can stop me is my own morality. My own mind

619
00:45:58,665 --> 00:46:02,415
of which he has neither trump is using the depraved thugs

620
00:46:02,765 --> 00:46:06,555
of ice and border patrol to frighten, intimidate, harass, assault, and murder, both

621
00:46:06,845 --> 00:46:10,825
immigrants and us citizens, including children invading our states and

622
00:46:11,045 --> 00:46:14,925
cities with democratic governors and mayors. Virginia will be next on the hit

623
00:46:15,085 --> 00:46:18,815
list. This is an unconstrained madman who thrives on chaos

624
00:46:19,225 --> 00:46:22,845
and engages in actions to intimidate, silence and extort the news media,

625
00:46:23,345 --> 00:46:26,235
law firms, museums, universities, art institutions, libraries,

626
00:46:27,535 --> 00:46:31,365
large corporations and foreign nations. Trump is a murderer of those

627
00:46:31,545 --> 00:46:35,345
who are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. He is on

628
00:46:35,565 --> 00:46:39,505
a revenge and retribution, retribution crusade for those who have not been the

629
00:46:39,725 --> 00:46:43,485
need to. His malignant narcissism trump's very own heinrich himler.

630
00:46:43,885 --> 00:46:47,725
steven miller said, we live in the real world that is governed by power.

631
00:46:47,975 --> 00:46:51,885
these are the iron laws of the world. Since the beginning of time he went on

632
00:46:52,085 --> 00:46:55,405
to say that as a superpower, we have the right to take what we want when we want.

633
00:46:56,355 --> 00:47:00,045
laws are for the weak minded greenland, cuba, columbia, mexico,

634
00:47:00,705 --> 00:47:04,685
and canada are in his sights for conquest. Trump said of his reasoning

635
00:47:05,125 --> 00:47:08,205
for seizing greenland. It is psychologically important to me.

636
00:47:09,145 --> 00:47:12,805
he is threatening nato countries with tariffs who do not bow down. Our president

637
00:47:13,225 --> 00:47:16,825
of war can't get over being denied the nobel peace, peace prizes.

638
00:47:17,995 --> 00:47:21,875
trump's ego must always be stroked trump pardons sex and drug

639
00:47:22,405 --> 00:47:26,325
traffickers. Yet he goes after madura. Why? Because he will somehow profit from the

640
00:47:26,445 --> 00:47:30,125
oil reserves and he is p****d off that madura was successful in his overthrow

641
00:47:30,605 --> 00:47:34,305
of a federal election while trump failed. After trump's world war ii,

642
00:47:34,945 --> 00:47:38,865
we will have the equivalent of the nuremberg trials school children will ask why

643
00:47:39,085 --> 00:47:42,245
no one stopped trump and his minions. How will you explain your acquiescence?

644
00:47:43,545 --> 00:47:46,965
our house is on fire and all you want to do is break out the marshmallows.

645
00:47:47,775 --> 00:47:51,395
thank you. Next

646
00:47:51,805 --> 00:47:54,475
I have, uh, victoria kennedy of colonial casa

647
00:47:56,295 --> 00:48:00,155
state your name and address please. Three minutes. Good

648
00:48:00,445 --> 00:48:03,725
evening. My name is victoria kennedy. I'm with colonial casa 39 17

649
00:48:05,085 --> 00:48:08,965
midlands road. And williamsburg, I wanted to just

650
00:48:09,125 --> 00:48:12,925
take a moment to thank you. First of all, casa stands for court appointed

651
00:48:13,245 --> 00:48:17,055
special advocates program and we, um, train

652
00:48:17,515 --> 00:48:20,645
recruit volunteers to advocate for children who've been abused and neglected.

653
00:48:21,545 --> 00:48:25,525
and for over 18 years, the county has been supporting our organization

654
00:48:26,825 --> 00:48:30,605
so that we can appoint these volunteers to children to ensure

655
00:48:31,005 --> 00:48:34,175
that they have their best interest known.

656
00:48:35,305 --> 00:48:39,245
we work collaboratively with the courts, with guardian ad litems and

657
00:48:39,405 --> 00:48:43,365
with the department of social services. And it is because of you all putting

658
00:48:43,665 --> 00:48:47,285
us on your line item for over 18 years that we can

659
00:48:47,685 --> 00:48:51,645
continue doing what we do for these vulnerable children. And I'm just here tonight

660
00:48:52,045 --> 00:48:53,925
to say thank you. Thank you.

661
00:48:57,115 --> 00:48:59,105
next we have, uh, daniel lab brando.

662
00:49:02,455 --> 00:49:04,325
again, uh, state your name and address. Three minutes.

663
00:49:07,305 --> 00:49:10,845
uh, good evening. My name is daniel lab brando. Uh, my address is 1500

664
00:49:11,915 --> 00:49:15,745
seaford road, um, here in seaford. So, um,

665
00:49:16,435 --> 00:49:19,245
I've recently undertook a ambitious project at my residence,

666
00:49:20,625 --> 00:49:23,885
uh, to address some unchecked erosion

667
00:49:24,995 --> 00:49:28,705
occurring at a fairly alarming rate. Uh, to be honest, uh,

668
00:49:29,025 --> 00:49:32,865
to this end, I'm having areas along my bank be reinforced with rip wrap and

669
00:49:33,085 --> 00:49:37,065
about 200 linear feet of living shoreline. Um,

670
00:49:38,165 --> 00:49:42,085
I don't think I have the time really now to explain the nuances of each of these and, and what

671
00:49:42,245 --> 00:49:45,315
the, what it means unfortunately. But the goal is twofold

672
00:49:46,345 --> 00:49:50,285
for me. It creates, uh, a permanent solution to preserve my property

673
00:49:50,905 --> 00:49:54,845
for hopefully my kids one day. You know, the erosion of course over time and it

674
00:49:54,965 --> 00:49:58,445
creates, um, uh, an marked improvement for the environment by stopping erosion,

675
00:49:59,625 --> 00:50:03,315
uh, fostering sea grass growth, filtering pollutants, creating habitat,

676
00:50:03,985 --> 00:50:07,965
uh, and so forth. The project is fully approved, has been permitted by

677
00:50:08,165 --> 00:50:12,165
the army corps of engineers by the virginia marine resource commission and here

678
00:50:12,325 --> 00:50:16,265
in new york county by the wetlands board. Um, I've gone through that process, um,

679
00:50:16,925 --> 00:50:20,925
successfully. So immersing myself. Um, in this project, I learned

680
00:50:21,275 --> 00:50:25,165
that the state of virginia has adopted a provision in the state

681
00:50:25,555 --> 00:50:29,475
code that allows for a full exemption of taxation applied

682
00:50:29,985 --> 00:50:33,405
to such improvements made to a property. Um, the exemption

683
00:50:34,385 --> 00:50:37,545
is to incentivize this sort of preservation effort,

684
00:50:38,665 --> 00:50:42,505
um, because as you can imagine, it is very costly and it's born solely

685
00:50:43,145 --> 00:50:46,925
by the property owner. Um, for this provision

686
00:50:47,445 --> 00:50:51,365
to apply. In my case, for example, um, this virginia

687
00:50:51,715 --> 00:50:55,265
code would need to be adopted at the local level. Um,

688
00:50:56,185 --> 00:50:59,765
and after consulting a few different offices here in york county,

689
00:51:00,365 --> 00:51:04,205
I am confident in saying it hasn't been adopted, um, in the county

690
00:51:04,635 --> 00:51:08,145
code as as of today. Um, so,

691
00:51:09,025 --> 00:51:12,905
um, the reason why I'm here today is to make, uh, the

692
00:51:13,125 --> 00:51:17,125
formal petition to the board, uh, for landowner such as me,

693
00:51:17,705 --> 00:51:20,775
uh, to adopt this virginia code, um, to title 58

694
00:51:22,115 --> 00:51:25,865
decimal one dash 3 6 6 6, uh,

695
00:51:26,195 --> 00:51:29,605
here in york county. Thank you. Thank you.

696
00:51:34,075 --> 00:51:37,965
next speaker will be, uh, amanda orette of avalon center.

697
00:51:41,815 --> 00:51:45,685
hello, my name is amanda doggett and I am here on dog. Sorry. It's okay. I have

698
00:51:45,925 --> 00:51:49,825
terrible handwriting. , I am here on behalf of avalon center, um,

699
00:51:50,315 --> 00:51:54,145
like our speaker from casa. I was here, um, charged and

700
00:51:54,365 --> 00:51:58,325
honored to stand before you and thank you for your continued support of avalon center.

701
00:51:59,345 --> 00:52:03,185
um, just very briefly, avalon center is a domestic violence and

702
00:52:03,405 --> 00:52:07,235
sexual assault, dual credited agency based out of greater williamsburg just

703
00:52:07,625 --> 00:52:11,125
on iron bound road by five forks cafe, which I highly recommend.

704
00:52:11,705 --> 00:52:15,565
uh, we serve 11 independent cities and counties, one of them being york right here,

705
00:52:16,545 --> 00:52:20,525
you all very generously, uh, funded us with $4,200 last year.

706
00:52:20,785 --> 00:52:24,275
and I can't tell you what a difference that made. Um, we get grants from,

707
00:52:25,185 --> 00:52:28,945
um, the state government, the federal government as well, but

708
00:52:29,465 --> 00:52:33,205
the funders from our community are really what means a lot.

709
00:52:33,645 --> 00:52:37,485
I don't wanna say the most, but you can infer because you all know

710
00:52:37,875 --> 00:52:41,685
very much how, um, this service is needed in our community.

711
00:52:42,185 --> 00:52:45,935
you see it every day. Um, I will say that every

712
00:52:46,285 --> 00:52:50,245
year we help around 1500 survivors of domestic violence and sexual

713
00:52:50,445 --> 00:52:54,305
assault. Our neighbors, our church goers, our

714
00:52:54,845 --> 00:52:58,225
coworkers, our colleagues, our friends, our fellow students. Um,

715
00:52:58,905 --> 00:53:02,865
around 10% of that 1500, um,

716
00:53:03,555 --> 00:53:07,365
receive advocacy services that are receiving advocacy. Ser advocacy

717
00:53:07,885 --> 00:53:11,425
services are from york county. Um, last year we received, um,

718
00:53:12,245 --> 00:53:16,085
1300 hotline calls alone. 100 of those were york

719
00:53:16,365 --> 00:53:20,285
county residents. We provided over 2000 bed nights for york county

720
00:53:20,725 --> 00:53:24,685
residents through our residential services program as well. So I just wanted to stand here

721
00:53:24,845 --> 00:53:28,845
and say thank you, acknowledge your continued support. Um, and if you ever have

722
00:53:29,085 --> 00:53:33,085
any questions, please feel free, free to reach us at our 24 7 helpline, which is

723
00:53:33,205 --> 00:53:36,885
7 5 7 2 5 8 5 0 1 5 1. Thank you so much.

724
00:53:38,735 --> 00:53:41,805
thank you. Next I have carolyn johnson,

725
00:53:43,025 --> 00:53:44,085
the arc of greater williamsburg.

726
00:53:47,055 --> 00:53:51,045
hello, um, my name is caroline johnson. I'm rep representing the arc of greater williamsburg

727
00:53:51,545 --> 00:53:55,525
at 4 38 mccaw circle in williamsburg. As everyone has said so

728
00:53:55,725 --> 00:53:59,045
far, thank you so much. I represent one of the social service organizations as well.

729
00:53:59,745 --> 00:54:03,645
uh, we cannot do it without your support and so I'm here to say thank you as well as give another

730
00:54:03,935 --> 00:54:07,525
quick intro onto what we do and why it is so important to be continued

731
00:54:08,085 --> 00:54:11,765
in funding. Um, so like I said, I'm representing the arc of greater williamsburg.

732
00:54:12,385 --> 00:54:16,125
we are a chapter of the arc of the united states. This year, our chapter

733
00:54:16,425 --> 00:54:19,605
is celebrating 50 years of service, which is an extremely exciting time.

734
00:54:20,665 --> 00:54:24,645
our tagline is the arc is there when the school bus stops coming, which denotes the population

735
00:54:25,145 --> 00:54:28,645
we serve. We serve adults with intellectual and developmental disabilities

736
00:54:29,545 --> 00:54:33,045
as they age out of public school special education programs at age 21.

737
00:54:34,155 --> 00:54:38,145
from there, they join the arc through either our four day a weekday program or

738
00:54:38,385 --> 00:54:42,165
our eight to 10 monthly evening programs. One of which I will be leaving

739
00:54:42,405 --> 00:54:46,085
momentarily to attend tonight is art. With art night, we have an artist coming

740
00:54:46,505 --> 00:54:50,445
in and doing a paint night for about 60 individuals. Um, many of who are

741
00:54:50,645 --> 00:54:54,525
yorktown residents who were on, I'm sorry, york county residents who are probably were on the bus

742
00:54:54,735 --> 00:54:58,605
about 30 minutes ago. So these programs, um, not only provide

743
00:54:59,065 --> 00:55:02,885
the social and educational opportunities for the clients, many of whom would

744
00:55:03,165 --> 00:55:06,805
go without, but they also provide respite for the caregivers. Oftentimes,

745
00:55:07,555 --> 00:55:11,525
parents or caregivers are 24 7 caregivers. The arc has

746
00:55:11,885 --> 00:55:15,705
provided over 28,000 hours, the respite time, with the combination of

747
00:55:16,125 --> 00:55:20,125
our programs to over 250 clients and families in the last

748
00:55:20,355 --> 00:55:24,285
year. And that number just continues to grow. Second to james city

749
00:55:24,525 --> 00:55:28,165
county, residents of york county make up the largest group of our our clients.

750
00:55:29,145 --> 00:55:32,885
we do not receive any federal or state funding, which is what makes funding from

751
00:55:33,175 --> 00:55:36,805
localities like you all extremely important as well as

752
00:55:37,325 --> 00:55:41,125
generous donors and supporters. Um, funding from york county specifically

753
00:55:41,565 --> 00:55:45,245
provides transportation support through our, um, transportation services.

754
00:55:45,665 --> 00:55:49,565
so we provide, uh, round trip transportation to and from all of our evening events

755
00:55:50,025 --> 00:55:53,945
on handicap accessible vans, door-to-door transportation, not

756
00:55:54,165 --> 00:55:57,645
only providing the safe transportation, but again, the respite time for the caregivers.

757
00:56:00,625 --> 00:56:04,605
so without this, um, without the transportation programs, many of our clients would not be

758
00:56:04,725 --> 00:56:08,685
able to attend our programs. And what that leads to is isolation. It leads to regressing

759
00:56:09,245 --> 00:56:12,985
social skills, cognitive abilities, which is why it's so important to

760
00:56:13,805 --> 00:56:17,205
continue to have our programs that can welcome as many folks as possible.

761
00:56:17,825 --> 00:56:21,485
um, again, thank you for your consideration and keeping us as a line item.

762
00:56:21,945 --> 00:56:25,165
and thank you for listening tonight to all of us and for your service.

763
00:56:27,655 --> 00:56:29,965
thank you, carolyn. Next I have mark williams

764
00:56:32,555 --> 00:56:33,285
name and address, please.

765
00:56:41,825 --> 00:56:43,915
yes, mark williams, five 13 charles road.

766
00:56:46,035 --> 00:56:48,805
whew, well, happy new year.

767
00:56:52,965 --> 00:56:56,175
I noticed I borrowed a, uh, jacket from the, uh, circuit court.

768
00:56:57,455 --> 00:57:01,365
there was a few items left over from last year that are gonna be

769
00:57:01,885 --> 00:57:03,885
included in this budget this year as we focus forward.

770
00:57:07,465 --> 00:57:11,285
and I just wanna reiterate what an honorable judge ick said. We really need to

771
00:57:11,565 --> 00:57:14,485
strongly consider all the word wording that he went over

772
00:57:15,695 --> 00:57:19,405
while he was here last december, how that's accomplished.

773
00:57:20,025 --> 00:57:24,005
um, there's a lot of details that I have discovered. I've done some homework and research and I hope you

774
00:57:24,165 --> 00:57:28,025
guys have also. Um, but there is a way out of the

775
00:57:28,405 --> 00:57:32,405
bind wearing with that court system. I myself am a victim of that court

776
00:57:32,655 --> 00:57:36,165
being without the rooms, he actually pointed back at me,

777
00:57:36,745 --> 00:57:40,625
or at least made a gesture. I have to go to williamsburg to

778
00:57:40,845 --> 00:57:43,805
settle a civil matter because we don't have the space here.

779
00:57:45,385 --> 00:57:49,365
but that's a personal issue for me as far as the, uh,

780
00:57:49,625 --> 00:57:53,605
county and that court system. You'll have to work out your budget accordingly to give

781
00:57:53,805 --> 00:57:57,595
'em the space and the, um, resources that they'll need. With

782
00:57:57,885 --> 00:58:01,845
that said, um, one other thing. I normally don't carry things from the past forward.

783
00:58:02,555 --> 00:58:06,445
once I've tuesday's gone, I don't look back. However, I

784
00:58:06,565 --> 00:58:10,525
didn't have the time within the three minute timeframe, 180 seconds. Even if I

785
00:58:10,645 --> 00:58:14,285
speak at five second, five words per second, that limits

786
00:58:14,705 --> 00:58:18,005
me to about 900 words, and I cannot do that. At this podium

787
00:58:20,715 --> 00:58:23,845
last year, there was a deputy that saved a lady's life off of the, uh, bridge.

788
00:58:25,445 --> 00:58:28,685
I asked him if he didn't mind if I mention his name personally. His name is deputy

789
00:58:29,475 --> 00:58:33,475
mcmanus. He said a simple sentence that

790
00:58:33,765 --> 00:58:37,765
means so much that it changed that situation to save her life

791
00:58:37,965 --> 00:58:41,645
when she was hanging from the bridge. And what he said to her were,

792
00:58:43,605 --> 00:58:45,965
I do not have to know you to care about you.

793
00:58:48,215 --> 00:58:52,105
that was in response to her telling him she did not

794
00:58:52,305 --> 00:58:56,305
know him. He saved her life because he knew the right

795
00:58:56,465 --> 00:58:59,535
thing to say at the right moment. I commend deputy mcmanus.

796
00:59:01,365 --> 00:59:05,305
we should all have consideration of those feelings for another

797
00:59:05,505 --> 00:59:09,345
human being, even if we don't know them. I've got 37

798
00:59:09,865 --> 00:59:13,225
seconds left. I cannot complete what I need to say in three minutes.

799
00:59:14,965 --> 00:59:18,505
it was brought to my attention that batman is homeless. Batman is not cableless

800
00:59:19,085 --> 00:59:23,085
in york county. Everybody's concerned for

801
00:59:23,285 --> 00:59:27,205
mark williams one way or the other. And the public knowledge and the gossip that happens

802
00:59:27,385 --> 00:59:31,365
at food lion, it's a center's tongue that does what

803
00:59:31,605 --> 00:59:35,325
they do. People need to consider the impact

804
00:59:35,725 --> 00:59:39,565
that they have by their words, especially when

805
00:59:39,845 --> 00:59:43,605
they're gossiping and lying. I appreciate the person who brought

806
00:59:43,885 --> 00:59:46,155
it to my attention. I wish it would stop.

807
00:59:48,215 --> 00:59:51,205
thank you. Next I have gina stevens.

808
01:00:00,795 --> 01:00:04,465
name and address, please. Uh, gina stevens, two

809
01:00:04,925 --> 01:00:08,725
19 parker lane, seaford, members of the board. Thank you.

810
01:00:09,945 --> 01:00:13,855
I'm here as a taxpayer who's tired of washing my tax bill. Rise. While

811
01:00:14,205 --> 01:00:17,605
accountability stays missing. A major reason

812
01:00:18,455 --> 01:00:22,125
taxes are so high is mark bellamy. He's your county administrator,

813
01:00:23,395 --> 01:00:26,825
controlling, spending and justifying every dollar is his job.

814
01:00:27,785 --> 01:00:31,645
and he's not doing that. And this board is allowing it. Your county

815
01:00:31,925 --> 01:00:35,805
does not use a zero base budget. Spending rolls forward

816
01:00:36,185 --> 01:00:40,105
by default. Programs survive because they already exist. The

817
01:00:40,685 --> 01:00:44,685
guarantees that guarantees higher taxes. Zero based budgeting

818
01:00:45,345 --> 01:00:49,045
has been discussed, but it's not policy. Until this board requires

819
01:00:49,565 --> 01:00:53,285
it and holds mr. Bellamy accountable. Taxpayers will

820
01:00:53,685 --> 01:00:57,565
keep paying for unchecked spending. One clear example of the

821
01:00:57,725 --> 01:01:01,085
county's is the county's free ev charging stations.

822
01:01:02,075 --> 01:01:06,045
they're not free. Taxpayers pay for them, including people who do

823
01:01:06,205 --> 01:01:09,885
not own electric vehicles. This is not a core government function

824
01:01:11,065 --> 01:01:14,765
by offering charging for free, the county is competing with private

825
01:01:15,365 --> 01:01:18,975
businesses that must charge for the same service and cover real costs.

826
01:01:19,785 --> 01:01:23,545
the county uses taxpayer money to undercut them. That's

827
01:01:23,965 --> 01:01:27,685
wrong. If the chargers stay, they should be user paid and cost

828
01:01:28,325 --> 01:01:31,885
recovery based. Taxpayers should not subsidize

829
01:01:32,965 --> 01:01:35,765
convenience programs also want to address representation.

830
01:01:37,965 --> 01:01:41,685
I wanna thank wayne drew. He represents the third district

831
01:01:41,985 --> 01:01:45,765
as he promised when he votes or abstains. He represents

832
01:01:46,425 --> 01:01:50,225
the people who elected him, including me. Sheila noll has

833
01:01:50,505 --> 01:01:54,445
no right to challenge his vote. His vote belongs

834
01:01:54,925 --> 01:01:58,925
to the third district. Stay out of it. One last thing,

835
01:02:00,155 --> 01:02:04,085
bellamy's corruption at taxpayer expense jobs for friends

836
01:02:04,695 --> 01:02:08,305
while we foot the bill bellamy. So-called josh's

837
01:02:08,825 --> 01:02:12,165
job search was a joke. The foas have proved it. So congratulations

838
01:02:13,145 --> 01:02:17,085
to 24-year-old trevor webb and his $90,000 a

839
01:02:17,205 --> 01:02:19,545
year job and go trump 2028.

840
01:02:26,515 --> 01:02:30,165
next I have, uh, kathleen wall arts foundation on the hill gallery.

841
01:02:42,315 --> 01:02:46,135
okay, good evening. It's nice to see everyone again.

842
01:02:47,465 --> 01:02:51,365
um, many of you are familiar with me. Uh, my name's kathy

843
01:02:51,635 --> 01:02:55,525
wall. I'm the president of the yorktown arts foundation. I'm here to

844
01:02:55,685 --> 01:02:59,645
thank you and to let you know what we have been doing with the money

845
01:02:59,805 --> 01:03:03,625
that you have funded us this past year. Um, the

846
01:03:03,885 --> 01:03:07,825
yorktown foundation plays a vital role in enriching the cultural and

847
01:03:08,405 --> 01:03:12,265
economic life of our community. We are reaching out to invite

848
01:03:12,685 --> 01:03:15,865
you to continue to support us.

849
01:03:17,035 --> 01:03:20,635
this year's especially meaningful to us because this is our 50th anniversary

850
01:03:21,325 --> 01:03:24,685
of being in being a nonprofit organization in york county.

851
01:03:26,105 --> 01:03:29,865
um, we're also thrilled to have recently moved into a beautiful new

852
01:03:30,135 --> 01:03:33,995
space at washington square. Some of you haven't been there. I know some of you have.

853
01:03:34,795 --> 01:03:38,705
it's wonderful. Uh, this move allowed us to expand

854
01:03:39,125 --> 01:03:42,845
our gallery and classroom offerings and to create an even more vibrant

855
01:03:43,705 --> 01:03:47,665
hub for the artists and our community. Um, as

856
01:03:47,925 --> 01:03:51,685
I said, yorktown arts foundation is a nonprofit organization dedicated to supporting

857
01:03:52,165 --> 01:03:56,165
artists, art, education, and community engagement for york county.

858
01:03:56,795 --> 01:04:00,365
through our gallery and give shop public events and educational programming,

859
01:04:01,385 --> 01:04:04,575
we provide meaningful opportunities for artists while offering accessible,

860
01:04:05,395 --> 01:04:08,055
enriching experiences for residents and visitors alike.

861
01:04:09,785 --> 01:04:13,685
so during the year, what we have done is we operate on the hill

862
01:04:13,845 --> 01:04:17,125
gallery, which is, as I said, washington square.

863
01:04:18,185 --> 01:04:21,865
uh, we showcase and sell artwork from local artists and

864
01:04:22,325 --> 01:04:25,805
regional artists. We also host community events such as yorktown

865
01:04:26,385 --> 01:04:29,785
art stroll, art river veterans art show, stroll,

866
01:04:30,965 --> 01:04:34,485
veterans art show, sorry, seasonal festivals,

867
01:04:35,195 --> 01:04:39,075
special exhibits. Um, we also have our summer camp

868
01:04:39,395 --> 01:04:43,395
with children, which is absolutely free. We provide also

869
01:04:43,965 --> 01:04:47,565
children and adult education classes, workshops,

870
01:04:48,135 --> 01:04:51,845
camps, and demonstrations. We also do outreach to the senior center

871
01:04:52,305 --> 01:04:55,075
and to children and people at our markets.

872
01:04:57,185 --> 01:05:01,165
um, we contribute to the vitality of yorktown

873
01:05:01,605 --> 01:05:05,285
by attracting visitors, supporting and creating small businesses,

874
01:05:05,745 --> 01:05:09,685
and strengthening our cultural identity. Our organization has grown

875
01:05:09,985 --> 01:05:13,605
and involved, so have the cost associated with maintaining our new space,

876
01:05:14,155 --> 01:05:18,085
providing supplies and instruction, hosting public events. While we are proud

877
01:05:18,365 --> 01:05:22,195
of what we have built, we continue to success depends

878
01:05:22,705 --> 01:05:25,445
on the support of local businesses and community partners.

879
01:05:28,235 --> 01:05:32,125
okay. Uh, your financial support, uh, is an investment

880
01:05:33,365 --> 01:05:37,365
actually in local artists. When we say small creative businesses, those are our

881
01:05:37,525 --> 01:05:41,005
artists who have small businesses selling their art, art education,

882
01:05:42,525 --> 01:05:46,325
children, adults, community events. And it gives us a vibrant,

883
01:05:46,915 --> 01:05:50,195
welcoming cultural destination. Before I left, my granddaughter said

884
01:05:51,025 --> 01:05:54,865
say, in other words, we do great stuff. So we,

885
01:05:55,265 --> 01:05:59,005
um, thank you for considering you and thank you again for supporting us in the past.

886
01:06:00,255 --> 01:06:04,025
thank you. Kathy. Your granddaughter is right. Thank you. Thanks.

887
01:06:04,565 --> 01:06:06,725
I have thomas daley, also from the arts foundation.

888
01:06:13,555 --> 01:06:17,505
evening, thomas daley, one 11 thorn, the rose drive. I'd like to provide a little detail

889
01:06:17,985 --> 01:06:21,885
to what kathy wall, uh, discussed about the

890
01:06:22,045 --> 01:06:26,045
yorktown arts foundation and a couple of programs. Two that I'm involved with. One's veterans

891
01:06:26,205 --> 01:06:30,045
art show. It's a show that showcases artwork from those that

892
01:06:30,325 --> 01:06:34,035
are serving. And those that have served the judge show.

893
01:06:34,955 --> 01:06:38,805
I've helped since 2021. The foundation's had it for the last seven

894
01:06:39,085 --> 01:06:42,945
year, held it for the last seven years, many years. We

895
01:06:43,165 --> 01:06:47,035
do get retired military, many years. We get active service. They come from fort

896
01:06:47,325 --> 01:06:50,825
useless yorktown, coast guard station. And, uh,

897
01:06:51,835 --> 01:06:55,585
norfolk naval station entrances have come from as far south as

898
01:06:56,045 --> 01:06:58,995
virginia beach kil, maroch suffolk,

899
01:07:00,305 --> 01:07:04,305
as far north as williamsburg. Again, active duty or

900
01:07:04,525 --> 01:07:08,485
retired military. We welcome public participation. So we have a

901
01:07:08,605 --> 01:07:12,285
people's choice award, and over a hundred have voted in the last

902
01:07:12,655 --> 01:07:16,465
three years. That gives you some sense of the participation of,

903
01:07:16,865 --> 01:07:20,365
of people viewing the show. 2023, we had 28 artists.

904
01:07:20,875 --> 01:07:24,665
each artist is allowed two entries. So double that for the number on

905
01:07:24,885 --> 01:07:27,545
the wall. 20 24, 22 artists. 20 25, 36.

906
01:07:30,665 --> 01:07:34,365
so think of that 2023. We had 28 now to 20 25, 36.

907
01:07:36,395 --> 01:07:40,385
essentially increased it by that much. Terrific to

908
01:07:40,605 --> 01:07:44,405
see that participation. Part of it is the effort from the foundation and getting

909
01:07:44,845 --> 01:07:47,875
the word out. Making sure this unique show

910
01:07:49,265 --> 01:07:52,685
is populated and viewed. Last two years,

911
01:07:53,425 --> 01:07:56,885
we have worked with elizabeth land, the yorktown library branch manager,

912
01:07:58,185 --> 01:08:01,825
and they have hosted the show there at, um,

913
01:08:02,395 --> 01:08:06,065
been in york county forever. I still think a library is new, but

914
01:08:06,885 --> 01:08:10,785
terrific venue. Uh, we're able to have the reception this year. We

915
01:08:11,005 --> 01:08:14,685
counted 73 people. They are introduced

916
01:08:15,165 --> 01:08:18,805
to the judge. They have a short discussion and then move

917
01:08:19,225 --> 01:08:23,165
out into the library so the judge can share their thoughts and the

918
01:08:23,285 --> 01:08:27,205
awards and, and, uh, how they're awarded. So it is

919
01:08:27,445 --> 01:08:31,335
a terrific venue for, uh, our veterans. The second event

920
01:08:31,705 --> 01:08:35,645
is the yorktown plain air. It was held, the first one was

921
01:08:35,845 --> 01:08:39,745
held this year in may. Plain air is described as the act

922
01:08:39,965 --> 01:08:43,215
of painting outdoors, which would be different than a studio experience.

923
01:08:43,985 --> 01:08:46,805
so what artists do is they come and register

924
01:08:48,745 --> 01:08:52,315
and, um, given, given an area

925
01:08:53,195 --> 01:08:57,145
they paint over a period of time, and then they move to

926
01:08:57,365 --> 01:09:01,155
have it. Judge. Ours occurred, uh, in conjunction with art of the river, with

927
01:09:01,485 --> 01:09:05,255
a farmer's market. It rained that day. So they moved in into the garage, which

928
01:09:05,905 --> 01:09:08,825
was, I thought was a challenge. But, um,

929
01:09:10,545 --> 01:09:14,485
the participation was outstanding. First one for yorktown. We had 17

930
01:09:15,285 --> 01:09:19,135
registered artists. They came as far away as richmond. Think

931
01:09:19,485 --> 01:09:23,415
of that. Richmond, norfolk, williamsburg, suffolk, and every

932
01:09:23,875 --> 01:09:27,735
city in between. Uh, the theme

933
01:09:28,225 --> 01:09:32,195
for yorktown is join a brush with history, and this

934
01:09:32,485 --> 01:09:36,135
year we're having it as a standalone with the farmer's market on april 11th.

935
01:09:37,655 --> 01:09:41,605
thank you very much for your support. If it wasn't for your support, we wouldn't

936
01:09:41,885 --> 01:09:45,845
have this kind of flexibility. Please continue with the foundation is a beautiful

937
01:09:46,245 --> 01:09:49,285
community development program. Thank you.

938
01:09:50,775 --> 01:09:52,645
thank you thomas and don therese.

939
01:09:59,355 --> 01:10:03,205
good evening. Thank you for the opportunity to speak. I am a,

940
01:10:03,505 --> 01:10:06,605
um, yorktown resident at 1 2 6 virginia lane,

941
01:10:07,985 --> 01:10:11,945
and I'm part of yorktown arts foundation. Um,

942
01:10:12,445 --> 01:10:16,445
I wanted to come here just to share briefly. I've been a part of the foundation

943
01:10:16,865 --> 01:10:20,525
for the last four years, um, acting as the children's

944
01:10:20,885 --> 01:10:24,165
educational program director for the last two years.

945
01:10:25,065 --> 01:10:29,045
and I wanna tell you how impactful the amount

946
01:10:29,545 --> 01:10:33,345
of, um, support that we receive from you, how it impacts our

947
01:10:33,765 --> 01:10:36,645
children, our families, and our community.

948
01:10:38,145 --> 01:10:42,025
um, as somebody has already said, we moved this year, which was

949
01:10:42,485 --> 01:10:45,925
a big feat for us. Um, we were here in this area

950
01:10:46,825 --> 01:10:50,725
for over 12 years. People knew where we were. They knew the walk

951
01:10:50,965 --> 01:10:54,685
path. They knew that we'd be here every summer. Now we are in a new

952
01:10:55,045 --> 01:10:58,915
location. And it was a little bit challenging, but we had a wonderful turnout.

953
01:10:59,505 --> 01:11:02,635
and that turnout, I hope, will only grow.

954
01:11:03,585 --> 01:11:07,165
we offer children's classes. Um, I offer

955
01:11:07,785 --> 01:11:11,765
two classes a day for the whole summer, um, for the

956
01:11:11,925 --> 01:11:15,745
month of july, excuse me. Um, we have various and

957
01:11:15,965 --> 01:11:19,865
assorted instructors that come far and wide to teach our children all

958
01:11:20,085 --> 01:11:24,025
kinds of things from basket weaving to painting to acrylics, um,

959
01:11:24,505 --> 01:11:27,955
to mosaics, to needle felting, to weaving,

960
01:11:28,625 --> 01:11:32,205
you name it. Children get an education, they get enrichment.

961
01:11:33,155 --> 01:11:36,725
they get opportunity to grow in skills and in community.

962
01:11:37,875 --> 01:11:41,045
I've seen how this is very beneficial for our community,

963
01:11:42,145 --> 01:11:45,855
for the families that we serve. A lot of families don't

964
01:11:46,205 --> 01:11:49,885
have the extra money to be able to provide these opportunities

965
01:11:50,385 --> 01:11:53,925
for our children. And the support that you offer us

966
01:11:54,785 --> 01:11:58,315
allows families to come and be enriched. Parents

967
01:11:58,905 --> 01:12:02,485
are impacted by it. They're impacted by the beautiful

968
01:12:02,925 --> 01:12:06,565
things that their children are doing in the classes, and the children

969
01:12:07,345 --> 01:12:11,185
are generously impacted by it. And we

970
01:12:11,425 --> 01:12:15,385
as instructors and just as community members and

971
01:12:15,605 --> 01:12:19,605
faculty members of the gallery are extremely impacted

972
01:12:19,945 --> 01:12:23,905
by our gallery and just all the things that we are able to do. So

973
01:12:24,165 --> 01:12:28,145
I just ask that you would continue to support us. And

974
01:12:28,365 --> 01:12:32,265
I look forward to this summer camp in july, um,

975
01:12:32,485 --> 01:12:36,405
which will be for the whole month for the children. And hopefully it'll be full. I had

976
01:12:36,605 --> 01:12:40,355
over 280 children step through last

977
01:12:40,675 --> 01:12:44,445
july. I've had over a thousand children the year

978
01:12:44,685 --> 01:12:48,525
before, step through our doors to be impacted

979
01:12:48,825 --> 01:12:52,555
by these programs that would not otherwise be available

980
01:12:53,185 --> 01:12:57,065
to us. So thank you for your time. And I ask,

981
01:12:57,545 --> 01:13:01,145
um, that you would just extend your grace. Thank you. Thank you, don.

982
01:13:02,155 --> 01:13:05,865
that is all the, uh, citizens I have signed up for citizen period. Anyone

983
01:13:06,285 --> 01:13:10,205
wishing to speak, please come forward. Shirley state your name and address.

984
01:13:10,475 --> 01:13:14,425
well, I, I put in a, uh, application so she has

985
01:13:14,645 --> 01:13:18,545
it. You've got it. I have nothing but accolades for

986
01:13:18,765 --> 01:13:22,585
all of you. I love every one of you. Y'all are

987
01:13:22,885 --> 01:13:26,445
doing a mighty fine job and all the things. Look at yorktown.

988
01:13:27,585 --> 01:13:31,485
it is absolutely magnificent. And I'm not

989
01:13:31,685 --> 01:13:35,625
kidding. I've been a part of the on the hill, um,

990
01:13:36,175 --> 01:13:39,225
group since marian bow created it.

991
01:13:40,905 --> 01:13:44,805
now, that's 50 years worth. And I'm gonna tell you this wonderful

992
01:13:45,885 --> 01:13:49,105
director, uh, kathy walls has done nothing but

993
01:13:50,165 --> 01:13:53,605
expanded. It used every possible person she could

994
01:13:54,265 --> 01:13:58,155
to make it happen better. She is really out there singing

995
01:13:58,715 --> 01:14:02,595
your song. She's out there with the children. I've

996
01:14:02,885 --> 01:14:06,865
even worked with the children. I am an artist. You know that 'cause you've got one

997
01:14:07,085 --> 01:14:11,005
of my paintings hanging, hanging in your, and, uh, I

998
01:14:11,125 --> 01:14:14,995
wanted to share with you, that is the gift that

999
01:14:15,285 --> 01:14:19,265
this special place gives to all of you. You

1000
01:14:19,545 --> 01:14:23,345
are ready for 250th birthday. Look at all

1001
01:14:23,585 --> 01:14:27,505
the beautiful things you've done with this town. I was here in

1002
01:14:28,285 --> 01:14:32,245
1981 for the 200th, and I

1003
01:14:32,805 --> 01:14:35,985
pleasantly, um, rec, um,

1004
01:14:36,965 --> 01:14:40,925
recognized ronald reagan and, and all that we had to do

1005
01:14:41,225 --> 01:14:44,925
for the 200th. I was a chairman at that time. I love you.

1006
01:14:45,445 --> 01:14:49,125
I love everything you do. I don't think you can do

1007
01:14:49,525 --> 01:14:53,445
anything wrong. I'm sorry I'm not gonna fuss at you. I'm gonna praise you to

1008
01:14:53,645 --> 01:14:56,925
the skies and thank you so much. Thank you shirley.

1009
01:14:58,225 --> 01:15:01,445
anyone else, please step forward. Name and address.

1010
01:15:02,525 --> 01:15:06,305
I am diane hartley. I work at peninsula agency on aging. Our, we

1011
01:15:06,605 --> 01:15:10,365
have two offices, williamsburg and newport news. The newport news address is 7 3 9

1012
01:15:11,275 --> 01:15:14,065
thimble shoal boulevard. Uh, newport news 2 3 6 0 6.

1013
01:15:15,945 --> 01:15:19,125
and again, I just wanted to come and say thank you so much for the support

1014
01:15:20,035 --> 01:15:23,845
that the county has offered to pa and for then to just say,

1015
01:15:24,045 --> 01:15:28,005
we're so appreciative of the long-term partnership that we've had with

1016
01:15:28,385 --> 01:15:32,265
the county. So I just wanted to spend a few minutes telling you, I'm sure you know, but

1017
01:15:32,485 --> 01:15:36,405
just saying a little bit about paa and some of the wonderful things that we've been able to

1018
01:15:36,565 --> 01:15:40,125
accomplish with york county. So, paa

1019
01:15:40,645 --> 01:15:44,365
peninsula agency and aging is a 5 0 1 c3 nonprofit. We've been

1020
01:15:44,685 --> 01:15:48,545
offering services and supports to older adults and caregivers of any age for

1021
01:15:48,765 --> 01:15:52,585
over 50 years. Specifically some of the things that we've been working on,

1022
01:15:53,265 --> 01:15:57,235
uh, include providing transportation for non, non, non-emergency

1023
01:15:58,085 --> 01:16:01,885
medical appointments. We partner with the york senior center to offer

1024
01:16:02,305 --> 01:16:06,285
any number of health promotion programs, which help people better manage their

1025
01:16:06,845 --> 01:16:09,995
diabetes, prevent falls, tai chi to address arthritis.

1026
01:16:11,065 --> 01:16:14,685
we also do a dining club with the york senior center, which provides socialization

1027
01:16:15,825 --> 01:16:19,725
as well as a hot meal. We've partnered with york meals on wheels for over

1028
01:16:19,925 --> 01:16:23,745
40 years to provide funding for people who

1029
01:16:23,965 --> 01:16:27,425
are meals on wheels clients in your county who meet the

1030
01:16:28,005 --> 01:16:31,605
qualifications for our funding, which has to meet federal standards. So it has to do with,

1031
01:16:32,065 --> 01:16:36,045
um, home bound and a few other things that we do. And then the last thing that

1032
01:16:36,165 --> 01:16:40,165
I just wanted to mention among many other things is our veterans directive care program.

1033
01:16:41,025 --> 01:16:45,025
so that's a program that we do in partnership with the, uh, va

1034
01:16:45,645 --> 01:16:49,565
hospitals, mcguire and hampton, where veterans of any age who need nursing

1035
01:16:49,845 --> 01:16:53,805
home level care, but choose to stay at home are given a budget so that they

1036
01:16:53,925 --> 01:16:57,585
can hire family members or have other people come and provide in-home care so

1037
01:16:57,965 --> 01:17:01,925
that they can stay at home and continue to thrive there. And again, just

1038
01:17:02,165 --> 01:17:05,085
wanna finish by saying thank you so much for your continued support and partnership.

1039
01:17:06,255 --> 01:17:09,285
thank you. Any others?

1040
01:17:10,905 --> 01:17:13,625
seeing none, I'll close the, uh, citizen comment period.

1041
01:17:14,925 --> 01:17:18,925
I would normally move on to the, uh, county attorney, county administrator

1042
01:17:19,705 --> 01:17:22,645
and, uh, board reports. I'll move those to the end of the meeting.

1043
01:17:23,745 --> 01:17:25,485
uh, does anyone require a recess?

1044
01:17:28,225 --> 01:17:32,125
we will skip the recess given that we had one at the beginning of this meeting. And I'll move directly

1045
01:17:32,355 --> 01:17:36,035
into the public hearings. So, mr. Bellamy,

1046
01:17:36,525 --> 01:17:40,365
I believe you're up first for public forum fiscal year 2027 budget.

1047
01:17:41,545 --> 01:17:45,505
uh, I am going to pass, uh, the proverbial but

1048
01:17:45,785 --> 01:17:49,685
to mr. Gillette, our budget chief, who will come up and

1049
01:17:49,845 --> 01:17:53,785
give you a presentation on this as,

1050
01:17:54,025 --> 01:17:57,625
uh, mr. Shepherd also calls him the, the math guy

1051
01:17:58,285 --> 01:17:58,285
.

1052
01:18:17,185 --> 01:18:20,705
all right, thank you mr. Bellamy. This again, my name is greg gillette. Good evening, mr.

1053
01:18:21,205 --> 01:18:25,065
chairman and board members. Um, before we move on to the public forum, as

1054
01:18:25,285 --> 01:18:29,005
he said, I will be giving a brief presentation on the fiscal year 2027 budget.

1055
01:18:32,715 --> 01:18:36,645
I'll start off by talking about our budget process. Uh, as always, the board

1056
01:18:36,885 --> 01:18:40,885
provides us with our strategic guidance. Um, the departments

1057
01:18:41,505 --> 01:18:45,305
and agencies submit their request to us, uh, typically in

1058
01:18:45,765 --> 01:18:49,685
november. And then the county administrator budget staff and budget

1059
01:18:49,965 --> 01:18:53,865
committee conduct review meetings with the departments during january and

1060
01:18:54,285 --> 01:18:56,725
february. That's what we're about to commence, right as we speak.

1061
01:19:00,075 --> 01:19:03,525
revenue and expenditure projections get reconciled later in the process.

1062
01:19:04,185 --> 01:19:07,335
and then the county administrator presents the proposed budget in march.

1063
01:19:08,585 --> 01:19:12,585
and then we have our public hearings, the board review and adopt in

1064
01:19:12,945 --> 01:19:12,945
may.

1065
01:19:17,975 --> 01:19:21,715
so, looking forward to our revenue outlook, uh, as you heard from ms. Goodwin

1066
01:19:22,355 --> 01:19:25,845
earlier, uh, we're expecting modest to little growth in consumer taxes.

1067
01:19:26,645 --> 01:19:30,355
again, we only have about four months of history on that

1068
01:19:31,575 --> 01:19:35,395
and it's possible that that's being negatively impacted by the government shutdown.

1069
01:19:35,655 --> 01:19:39,075
so we're gonna firm that up as we get a little bit further along in this process.

1070
01:19:40,855 --> 01:19:44,195
um, there is also in the proposed governor's budget, some slight

1071
01:19:44,875 --> 01:19:48,635
increases to state revenue. And with, uh, 2026

1072
01:19:49,485 --> 01:19:52,915
being a reassessment year, we will have a full year of reassessment growth

1073
01:19:53,755 --> 01:19:54,575
captured in this budget.

1074
01:19:59,775 --> 01:20:03,255
so looking at our expenses, um, if we look at these by

1075
01:20:03,915 --> 01:20:07,325
function, you can see that, uh, public safety and our school

1076
01:20:08,005 --> 01:20:11,845
contributions make up 67% of our total

1077
01:20:12,045 --> 01:20:15,405
expenditures. Those are our two largest, uh, expenditures

1078
01:20:16,265 --> 01:20:20,175
by function. And looking at it a little bit

1079
01:20:20,335 --> 01:20:24,095
differently, uh, by type, uh, personnel services

1080
01:20:24,515 --> 01:20:27,975
are 39% and our transfer to the school division 37%.

1081
01:20:30,195 --> 01:20:33,655
so those two make up 76% of our budget.

1082
01:20:40,525 --> 01:20:44,405
so as we develop the budget, we keep these following considerations in mind. We

1083
01:20:44,825 --> 01:20:48,685
want to continue to meet all of our legal and contractual obligations, and

1084
01:20:48,905 --> 01:20:52,745
we're going to focus on investing in our employees. We want

1085
01:20:52,945 --> 01:20:56,745
to continue to support the school division and maintain our current service

1086
01:20:57,065 --> 01:21:00,445
levels. And then of course, we also want to invest in school

1087
01:21:01,085 --> 01:21:04,065
and county capital needs on an ongoing basis.

1088
01:21:07,325 --> 01:21:10,985
so, upcoming dates that are important for the budget development. Uh, the march 3rd

1089
01:21:11,605 --> 01:21:15,345
and april 7th. Regularly scheduled board sessions, uh, work

1090
01:21:15,625 --> 01:21:19,565
sessions. We'll probably have some budget discussions there. Uh,

1091
01:21:19,875 --> 01:21:23,785
march 17th is when we will propose the budget to the

1092
01:21:23,905 --> 01:21:27,345
board. And then between march 19th and april 16th,

1093
01:21:28,235 --> 01:21:32,185
we've scheduled, uh, a slew of additional work sessions that will

1094
01:21:32,425 --> 01:21:35,265
focus on the budget, uh, just like we did last year.

1095
01:21:36,485 --> 01:21:39,905
uh, we also, as we did last year, have on march 31st

1096
01:21:40,885 --> 01:21:44,765
and april 2nd scheduled town hall meetings. And these will be where the public can

1097
01:21:44,985 --> 01:21:48,745
engage with the board on topics mostly pertaining

1098
01:21:49,305 --> 01:21:53,185
to the budget. We'll have our public hearings on the budget

1099
01:21:53,605 --> 01:21:57,345
and tax rates on april 21st. And then our scheduled adoption

1100
01:21:57,725 --> 01:21:58,985
is at the may 5th meeting.

1101
01:22:03,355 --> 01:22:07,295
so last, if citizens want to get more information on the budget, they can

1102
01:22:07,415 --> 01:22:10,665
find out information at our website, which is listed on the slide,

1103
01:22:11,565 --> 01:22:15,525
like an email or call into county admin. And we also have some,

1104
01:22:16,875 --> 01:22:20,675
uh, short videos that are posted online that can also be viewed on tv.

1105
01:22:24,035 --> 01:22:27,295
that's all I have, if anyone has any questions, any questions from the board.

1106
01:22:29,675 --> 01:22:33,475
pretty standard. Okay, mark, I would ask

1107
01:22:33,835 --> 01:22:37,645
one follow up. The, um, gentleman who talked about the va code

1108
01:22:37,945 --> 01:22:41,815
58.13 triple six, uh, the shore erosion.

1109
01:22:42,595 --> 01:22:46,475
yes. If we, if we could have that also included in, uh, future, uh,

1110
01:22:46,695 --> 01:22:50,435
review. I think it's another unfunded mandate, but I think it behooves us to, uh,

1111
01:22:50,955 --> 01:22:53,215
to look at that. Certainly. Thank you.

1112
01:22:56,655 --> 01:23:00,295
I have two people signed up to speak. Excuse me. Three.

1113
01:23:00,715 --> 01:23:04,695
so I will open the public, uh, forum and call

1114
01:23:05,025 --> 01:23:07,035
on those speakers. So amber martins

1115
01:23:13,715 --> 01:23:17,665
name and address, three minutes. Um, good evening. I'm amber martins. I'm

1116
01:23:17,885 --> 01:23:21,435
the director of innovation and engagement at lackey clinic. We are located at 1620

1117
01:23:22,465 --> 01:23:24,565
old williamsburg road right here in york county.

1118
01:23:26,945 --> 01:23:30,925
uh, first of all, I'd like to thank, uh, county administrator bellamy, as well as the board of

1119
01:23:31,045 --> 01:23:34,945
supervisors for your continued support of lacky clinic over the years. Um, I'd

1120
01:23:35,165 --> 01:23:38,965
like to take a couple minutes to tell you what your funding has done, um, for the citizens here in york

1121
01:23:39,205 --> 01:23:42,345
county. Um, in fiscal year 25,

1122
01:23:43,465 --> 01:23:47,085
lackey clinic provided free healthcare to over 320 york county

1123
01:23:47,645 --> 01:23:51,515
residents. That's a 27% increase from the year before with

1124
01:23:51,845 --> 01:23:54,765
a value of over $1.4 million in healthcare services.

1125
01:23:55,855 --> 01:23:59,475
we're estimating in fiscal year 27 that we're going to serve over 400

1126
01:24:01,205 --> 01:24:05,165
citizens of york county with a 1.9 million, um, estimate of value

1127
01:24:05,425 --> 01:24:09,365
in healthcare services. Lackey clinic is a faith-based nonprofit

1128
01:24:09,885 --> 01:24:13,885
healthcare center that provides free healthcare and dental services to uninsured

1129
01:24:14,365 --> 01:24:17,965
adults. Um, across the state of virginia, we provide not only,

1130
01:24:18,785 --> 01:24:22,155
um, primary and specialty medical care, dental eyecare,

1131
01:24:23,265 --> 01:24:27,145
um, behavioral health services, chronic care management, and

1132
01:24:27,365 --> 01:24:31,305
we also have an in-house pharmacy, which provides over $9 million worth of free and

1133
01:24:31,525 --> 01:24:35,385
low cost medications to our patients. Each year. Our patients are the

1134
01:24:35,605 --> 01:24:39,565
working class, so they're usually earning between 12 to $25 an hour.

1135
01:24:40,235 --> 01:24:44,225
they earn just too much to qualify for virginia medicaid, but not enough to

1136
01:24:44,445 --> 01:24:47,485
afford comprehensive healthcare. So they come to us.

1137
01:24:49,995 --> 01:24:53,835
also, our patients are right here in york county. They're your retail clerks, they're

1138
01:24:54,325 --> 01:24:58,115
your construction workers, your certified nurse assistants. They

1139
01:24:58,405 --> 01:25:02,275
work at your favorite restaurant and they're small business owners. So by helping

1140
01:25:02,825 --> 01:25:06,285
to fund us, you're helping to fund the economy here in york county as well

1141
01:25:07,435 --> 01:25:11,345
because they're juggling multiple jobs, families, health concerns, and

1142
01:25:11,565 --> 01:25:15,405
living paycheck to paycheck. They often face multiple social determinant

1143
01:25:15,645 --> 01:25:19,085
of health issues, such as lack of childcare, reliable transportation,

1144
01:25:20,345 --> 01:25:24,005
and inability to take time off of work. So they need healthcare options

1145
01:25:24,485 --> 01:25:28,365
that provide 'em the flexibility to accept access that healthcare and mental health

1146
01:25:28,805 --> 01:25:31,805
services in multiple ways with your funding. In 2025,

1147
01:25:33,015 --> 01:25:36,695
lacky clinic developed and validated a hybrid care model, which

1148
01:25:37,045 --> 01:25:40,845
offers an inexpensive, scalable, and replicable solution to these

1149
01:25:41,165 --> 01:25:45,045
challenges. So this model integrates both in-person care, which everybody's

1150
01:25:45,605 --> 01:25:49,555
familiar with, along with telehealth, virtual care, digital care,

1151
01:25:50,505 --> 01:25:54,445
and virtual behavioral health services seven days a week so that our patients

1152
01:25:54,605 --> 01:25:57,805
get access to care how they need it and where they need it.

1153
01:25:58,635 --> 01:26:02,545
that virtual care system now allows them to access, um, care in

1154
01:26:03,045 --> 01:26:06,675
multiple different ways from the comfort of their home, from their office, without

1155
01:26:07,165 --> 01:26:10,925
having to rely on like your local ems without burdening

1156
01:26:11,485 --> 01:26:15,325
the local ers. And these patients are able to get access to that care now regularly.

1157
01:26:16,185 --> 01:26:19,845
so I just wanna take a moment to thank you guys for continuing to fund us,

1158
01:26:20,225 --> 01:26:23,645
for continuing to support us and the patients here in new york county. Thank you.

1159
01:26:24,895 --> 01:26:28,755
thank you. Also

1160
01:26:29,045 --> 01:26:30,045
signed up to speak is mark williams

1161
01:26:35,185 --> 01:26:38,345
and he's left. That was all the speakers I had signed up.

1162
01:26:39,305 --> 01:26:42,805
uh, close the public forum. Go back. Hey, you got one in the pack.

1163
01:26:44,185 --> 01:26:48,145
uh, this says signed up to speak. I I didn't realize you had

1164
01:26:48,365 --> 01:26:52,285
to because this was not a public hearing. We let everybody speak once they

1165
01:26:52,405 --> 01:26:54,205
speak. We let, we'll let you speak. Please come forward.

1166
01:27:02,405 --> 01:27:06,045
I apologize. I would've signed up. But anyway, uh, pam, push show 1 0 3

1167
01:27:06,645 --> 01:27:09,365
kimberly court. I wanna thank you for supporting the organizations

1168
01:27:10,795 --> 01:27:13,565
that help those that are in true need. I truly appreciate that.

1169
01:27:15,425 --> 01:27:19,265
I'm gonna request something I've requested before and it's never happened, but we pay

1170
01:27:19,585 --> 01:27:22,705
in sewer and trash. In fact, I got my bill today. Um,

1171
01:27:23,725 --> 01:27:27,425
I would love to see that as a tax, a flat tax, not based on income

1172
01:27:27,865 --> 01:27:31,025
or whatever, you know, your real estate or whatever, but just a tax

1173
01:27:32,025 --> 01:27:35,885
for sewer and trash because that way we can

1174
01:27:36,085 --> 01:27:39,985
deduct it on our income tax. It would be nice. Um,

1175
01:27:41,235 --> 01:27:44,805
also there have been, uh, con I have a concern

1176
01:27:45,275 --> 01:27:49,155
that the general assembly, and I don't know where they are at this point, but have

1177
01:27:49,445 --> 01:27:53,445
talked about rescinding the car tax and how that will affect us.

1178
01:27:54,305 --> 01:27:58,015
so you may also wanna consider that. Thank you. Thank

1179
01:27:58,365 --> 01:28:02,205
you pam. Anyone else

1180
01:28:02,605 --> 01:28:05,975
choosing to speak? Seeing none I close public forum.

1181
01:28:07,945 --> 01:28:11,825
we now will move on to public hearings. First application is

1182
01:28:12,045 --> 01:28:15,665
from redstone properties, aka sheets to

1183
01:28:16,085 --> 01:28:19,645
consider an ordinance, uh, for rezoning and a resolution to authorize construction

1184
01:28:20,585 --> 01:28:24,115
of a convenience store with fuel dispensing at the same combined addresses.

1185
01:28:25,195 --> 01:28:28,005
I'll call on madison sc from planning division.

1186
01:28:34,625 --> 01:28:38,545
all right. Good evening, mr. Chair. Mr. Vice chair, other members of the board, mr.

1187
01:28:38,875 --> 01:28:42,765
bellamy, mr. Hill. I hope you all are having a great start to 2026.

1188
01:28:44,145 --> 01:28:47,605
um, I'm excited to see what york county achieves this year. Um, so this application

1189
01:28:49,275 --> 01:28:53,245
submitted by redstone properties llc is a

1190
01:28:53,365 --> 01:28:56,785
request to amend the york county zoning map by reclassifying a total of 1.82

1191
01:28:57,615 --> 01:29:01,525
acres, collectively taken from each of four existing adjacent parcels, totaling

1192
01:29:01,965 --> 01:29:05,685
3.88 acres from general business to conditional general

1193
01:29:06,285 --> 01:29:10,185
business with proffers and to authorize a special use permit both for the purpose of

1194
01:29:10,805 --> 01:29:14,205
constructing an automobile fuel dispensing establishment in convenience store

1195
01:29:14,945 --> 01:29:15,165
at 7 9 0 0 7 9 0 8 7 9 1 4

1196
01:29:20,025 --> 01:29:23,045
and 7 9 2 george washington memorial highway.

1197
01:29:26,185 --> 01:29:30,005
the subject site is located on route 17 between mariner way and a

1198
01:29:30,325 --> 01:29:32,845
driveway to 7 8 3 0 george washington memorial highway.

1199
01:29:34,665 --> 01:29:38,105
the portion of the site relevant for the applications is on a 1.82

1200
01:29:39,315 --> 01:29:42,805
acre portion of the four parcels, with one containing a vacant non-conforming

1201
01:29:43,605 --> 01:29:47,005
single family home with accessory structures and the rest being undeveloped.

1202
01:29:50,175 --> 01:29:54,095
the property is located near the intersection of route 17 and the fort yus

1203
01:29:54,315 --> 01:29:57,795
boulevard extension and is zoned both general business and plan development.

1204
01:29:59,575 --> 01:30:03,515
the subject site is adjacent to the yorktown crescent mixed use development project

1205
01:30:03,865 --> 01:30:07,715
located northeast, east and south. The back

1206
01:30:07,915 --> 01:30:11,035
portions of the parcels are a part of an amendment from the january, 2024,

1207
01:30:12,495 --> 01:30:16,155
uh, to the yorktown crescent mixed use development, which established approximately

1208
01:30:16,735 --> 01:30:20,515
1.3 acres collectively from gb to pdmu in anticipation

1209
01:30:21,155 --> 01:30:24,605
of building an approximately 55,000 square foot publix grocery store.

1210
01:30:26,245 --> 01:30:29,815
north and south of the subject property is an arby's and no wendy's. Both zone gb

1211
01:30:31,175 --> 01:30:35,095
and southwest across route 17 are three parcels. All zone gb

1212
01:30:35,315 --> 01:30:39,155
with one containing a vacant, uh, commercial building. And lastly,

1213
01:30:39,875 --> 01:30:43,255
directly west across route 17 is yorktown arch apartments zoned pd.

1214
01:30:44,425 --> 01:30:48,375
madison, if I could interrupt for a second. Of course. Where are the new townhouses on

1215
01:30:48,595 --> 01:30:51,935
the yorktown crescent? Uh, gonna be located? Ye yes.

1216
01:30:52,655 --> 01:30:56,345
um, from my understanding, they are going to be over here.

1217
01:30:57,295 --> 01:31:01,235
is that correct? Yes. Yes. Um, and I'm gonna have a picture of the whole

1218
01:31:01,675 --> 01:31:05,555
proposed development. I just wanted to be sure it wasn't up against the current property.

1219
01:31:05,745 --> 01:31:09,575
yeah, of course. Thank you. All right. Uh, the applicant is

1220
01:31:09,795 --> 01:31:13,755
seeking authorization for a sheets convenience store with self-serve fueling stations

1221
01:31:14,335 --> 01:31:17,995
and to be allowed to have more than 50 gallons of fuel storage within the watershed

1222
01:31:18,435 --> 01:31:22,255
management and protection overly district by proposing proffers. The

1223
01:31:22,475 --> 01:31:26,395
conceptual development plan shows a 6,132 square foot convenience store

1224
01:31:27,055 --> 01:31:30,685
and area showing the eight filling stations with a total of 16 gas pumps

1225
01:31:31,295 --> 01:31:35,155
and an area showing the underground fuel storage tank. Now I'm

1226
01:31:35,355 --> 01:31:36,635
gonna move into staff's analysis.

1227
01:31:40,375 --> 01:31:44,355
the york county comprehensive plan designates the route 17 corridor as a lower

1228
01:31:44,515 --> 01:31:48,475
county's primary commercial and transportation area. Regarding land

1229
01:31:48,775 --> 01:31:52,515
use. General business is the predominant zoning designation of property around

1230
01:31:52,935 --> 01:31:56,635
the route, uh, 17 corridor, with some exceptions, such as additional

1231
01:31:57,195 --> 01:32:01,085
residential development and mixed use development. Based on this guidance,

1232
01:32:01,505 --> 01:32:05,325
the sheet's proposal is compatible with surrounding uses the character of adjacent properties

1233
01:32:05,985 --> 01:32:09,625
and the overall targeted use of the area. The

1234
01:32:10,005 --> 01:32:13,885
proposed location of the sheets is within the harwoods mill reservoir watershed management and

1235
01:32:14,045 --> 01:32:17,725
protective, um, overlay district, and partially within the 200

1236
01:32:18,355 --> 01:32:22,245
foot and fully within the 500 foot buffer strips. According to section 24.1

1237
01:32:23,325 --> 01:32:27,125
dash 3 7 6 e of the zoning ordinance. This states that

1238
01:32:27,365 --> 01:32:31,315
fuel storage and excess of 50 gallons shall not be permitted within the buffer strips, therefore

1239
01:32:31,945 --> 01:32:35,455
not allowing fuel dispensing establishments as they normally store above

1240
01:32:36,005 --> 01:32:36,675
50 gallons.

1241
01:32:40,145 --> 01:32:43,945
so to mitigate that, the applicant has proposed to amend the zoning on

1242
01:32:44,165 --> 01:32:47,805
the property and to proffer environmental design and watershed protection practices,

1243
01:32:49,305 --> 01:32:53,165
the proffers will remove the prohibition of fuel storage in the wmp overlay

1244
01:32:53,525 --> 01:32:57,485
for this property. And based off of the documents submitted, the applicant believes

1245
01:32:57,965 --> 01:33:01,925
that the proffer design elements go above and beyond to ensure the protection of the harwoods

1246
01:33:02,365 --> 01:33:05,295
mill reservoir. Also, newport news waterworks

1247
01:33:06,485 --> 01:33:10,125
reviewed the submitted plans and proffers and provided the county with written approval of the project.

1248
01:33:13,915 --> 01:33:17,775
as for performance standards, the per proposed project meets the performance standards

1249
01:33:17,975 --> 01:33:20,175
established in section 24.1 dash 4 6 7 4 7 5

1250
01:33:22,315 --> 01:33:26,255
and 4 7 7 for convenience stores, excuse me, and gas stations,

1251
01:33:27,635 --> 01:33:31,335
uh, parking standards for convenience stores require one space per 200 square feet

1252
01:33:31,655 --> 01:33:35,495
of gross floor area and one off street, uh, loading space. The most

1253
01:33:35,895 --> 01:33:39,735
recently submitted conceptual plan shows a total of 48 parking spaces and one loading

1254
01:33:40,015 --> 01:33:43,535
space meeting this requirement and the most

1255
01:33:44,055 --> 01:33:47,995
recently submitted renderings as of january 15th, I included, um, two

1256
01:33:48,215 --> 01:33:52,075
new renderings for the canopy and monument sign on the days for you all. Um,

1257
01:33:52,965 --> 01:33:56,455
meet the route 17 corridor overlay district architectural and signage

1258
01:33:57,015 --> 01:34:00,895
standards established in section 24.1 dash 3 7 8. And here

1259
01:34:01,095 --> 01:34:03,265
are those snapshots of the updated renderings.

1260
01:34:09,995 --> 01:34:12,205
so moving into the tr uh, transportation impacts

1261
01:34:15,675 --> 01:34:19,335
during the yorktown crescent development rezoning application in 2024,

1262
01:34:20,375 --> 01:34:24,375
a traffic impact analysis was performed and submitted and the amended plan is currently

1263
01:34:24,815 --> 01:34:28,735
in the site plan approval process. As part of the

1264
01:34:29,055 --> 01:34:33,055
rezoning and special use application in front of you tonight. Um, an access change

1265
01:34:33,815 --> 01:34:37,495
analysis was performed to support the proposed sheets. The subject site development

1266
01:34:38,075 --> 01:34:41,935
is requesting the access revision from partial access to a full

1267
01:34:42,415 --> 01:34:46,015
movement signalize intersection along route 17. The tia

1268
01:34:46,495 --> 01:34:50,445
memorandum submitted to support the access management exception request also

1269
01:34:50,735 --> 01:34:54,635
serves as a signal justification justification report. And

1270
01:34:55,325 --> 01:34:59,325
vdot has, uh, reviewed the latest analysis of the yorktown crescent signal

1271
01:34:59,525 --> 01:35:03,345
justification report and has not approved, uh, the proposal to

1272
01:35:03,565 --> 01:35:07,525
date has not approved, has not approved yet. That's

1273
01:35:07,885 --> 01:35:11,565
correct. So some of the things in the vdot letter,

1274
01:35:12,025 --> 01:35:15,485
um, received on october 28th, 2025 relating to this

1275
01:35:16,325 --> 01:35:20,285
proposal, um, provides some alternatives and also addresses some multiple

1276
01:35:20,445 --> 01:35:24,085
issues seen throughout the submitted study. So a big thing here,

1277
01:35:24,505 --> 01:35:27,845
uh, is that vdot prefers to have a continuous green tee over conventional

1278
01:35:28,565 --> 01:35:31,955
signal as it would not require southbound traffic to fully stop.

1279
01:35:32,865 --> 01:35:36,645
uh, and it still allows vehicles to make protected movements in and out of the site.

1280
01:35:38,275 --> 01:35:42,165
vida has also proposed or recommended up, please. Oh yeah, of course.

1281
01:35:42,755 --> 01:35:46,455
alright, let show us, show us. Okay. Navigating a continuous green

1282
01:35:46,905 --> 01:35:50,685
tea. Alright. Just kind of take people tell us 'cause there's three of

1283
01:35:50,965 --> 01:35:54,965
'em you're gonna show here. So I'm want to see describe this. Gotcha. I'll try my best. I will

1284
01:35:55,045 --> 01:35:58,915
say vdot is a bit more of an expert than I am. Um, but, uh, I'll

1285
01:35:59,205 --> 01:36:03,145
try to show, um, some here. See, so picture that the sheets is

1286
01:36:03,365 --> 01:36:06,685
right here. I don't know if you can see my mouse. Nope. Can you see it, mr. Shepherd?

1287
01:36:07,395 --> 01:36:10,925
okay, got it. Right. Yeah. So in this right hand corner, um, the sheets would be there.

1288
01:36:11,745 --> 01:36:15,565
um, so if you go outta sheets here, take a right,

1289
01:36:17,305 --> 01:36:21,235
go that way. And then a protected movement going left onto

1290
01:36:21,525 --> 01:36:25,365
route 17 would be here. Protected, meaning it's got a light, dedicated light

1291
01:36:25,625 --> 01:36:29,545
for what? There's no light. Um, it's protected like through the median, um,

1292
01:36:29,925 --> 01:36:33,845
and through the stops from my understanding that left hand turn lane acts like

1293
01:36:34,045 --> 01:36:37,925
an acceleration lane. Yeah, it's a turning lane. Acceleration. So you'll, you'll

1294
01:36:38,285 --> 01:36:42,245
perceived through the light to make left hand turn mm-hmm . But once you start make a left hand turn, you got an acceleration

1295
01:36:42,685 --> 01:36:46,625
lane. So that way southbound traffic doesn't stop for the light, but it's a light. That's

1296
01:36:47,045 --> 01:36:51,025
the point is it's got a light there that's protecting it so you don't get run over when you pull out. So

1297
01:36:51,245 --> 01:36:55,125
that way you, when you cross the front of the northbound traffic, you don't get run over. Yes. There's no light on

1298
01:36:55,325 --> 01:36:57,525
the other side. It's only for this side of the road.

1299
01:37:02,035 --> 01:37:05,825
okay. I seen some similar this up on 95, uh,

1300
01:37:06,045 --> 01:37:10,005
heading towards dc alright, good on the

1301
01:37:10,125 --> 01:37:12,565
continuous green tee. You're good. Alright.

1302
01:37:14,865 --> 01:37:18,665
uh, another proposal is, um, called a restricted crossing u-turn

1303
01:37:19,195 --> 01:37:23,085
that vdot put in the letter. Um, this would u-turn the relocated westbound

1304
01:37:23,685 --> 01:37:27,525
left turns from the site at a location between route 17, driveway

1305
01:37:27,825 --> 01:37:31,465
one, um, and the fort eustis boulevard. Um,

1306
01:37:32,005 --> 01:37:35,865
I will say at the planning commission meeting, um, the applicant representative did

1307
01:37:36,105 --> 01:37:39,665
say that vdo t's proposal of the continuous green tea was

1308
01:37:40,185 --> 01:37:43,805
the more preferred option, um, and that they're opening to talking with

1309
01:37:44,355 --> 01:37:45,925
vdot, uh, with that proposal.

1310
01:37:49,275 --> 01:37:53,085
alright. And vdot also expressed concerns around

1311
01:37:53,485 --> 01:37:57,445
the four small businesses that would be affected by the relocation of the existing

1312
01:37:57,565 --> 01:38:01,085
median crossover and would prefer to have reassurances on whether those

1313
01:38:01,605 --> 01:38:04,125
businesses are going to be supportive of the relocation.

1314
01:38:06,855 --> 01:38:10,325
other comments address the methodology and data used throughout the study and ask for clarification

1315
01:38:11,105 --> 01:38:14,925
and corrections. I also wanna provide

1316
01:38:15,285 --> 01:38:19,125
real quick some further context, um, relating to just the traffic of the overall yorktown

1317
01:38:19,565 --> 01:38:23,365
crescent, um, development. Um, so specifically sheets

1318
01:38:23,745 --> 01:38:27,665
is not a part of that plan development, um, but it is still owned by

1319
01:38:27,885 --> 01:38:31,765
the same developers. So that's why it's, it's connected, um, with the

1320
01:38:31,925 --> 01:38:35,925
development regarding traffic. Um, the submitted tia

1321
01:38:36,285 --> 01:38:39,885
for sheets, um, was also submitted with the public site plan application,

1322
01:38:40,485 --> 01:38:44,285
which was formally submitted in this past april. Um, and this is when

1323
01:38:44,585 --> 01:38:47,045
vdo s started their review of the signal justification report.

1324
01:38:49,105 --> 01:38:53,005
and so the signal justification report needs to be fully approved before even

1325
01:38:53,305 --> 01:38:57,125
the access management exception can even be considered. And there's

1326
01:38:57,405 --> 01:39:01,325
also a possibility that the a me won't be approved. Um, that's not

1327
01:39:01,445 --> 01:39:04,985
a guaranteed. So they're two separate stages here for the tra traffic impact

1328
01:39:05,685 --> 01:39:09,605
analysis. Um, let's see. And per vdo t's comments

1329
01:39:09,705 --> 01:39:13,565
for the sheets rezoning and sep applications, the access of management

1330
01:39:14,085 --> 01:39:17,945
exception for full access. Oh, I just said that. Sorry. Excuse me. . Um,

1331
01:39:18,825 --> 01:39:22,605
so no updates. Um, as of now since the december planning commission

1332
01:39:23,085 --> 01:39:26,805
meeting, um, I'm sure the applicant representative can answer any questions.

1333
01:39:27,225 --> 01:39:31,165
um, we have tried reaching out to vdot from staff's perspective to hear

1334
01:39:31,465 --> 01:39:34,905
any updates from them, but we have had a hard time reaching them. So,

1335
01:39:35,745 --> 01:39:39,645
um, that is where we're at in the process, uh, for approving the signal

1336
01:39:39,845 --> 01:39:43,725
justification report. And to give some context,

1337
01:39:44,075 --> 01:39:47,985
this is the submitted a site plan for the publix. Um,

1338
01:39:48,205 --> 01:39:51,045
there in the highlighted area is where the sheets will go.

1339
01:39:54,145 --> 01:39:57,765
let me know when you're ready for me to say, say that again. Yeah, so this is the submitted

1340
01:39:58,325 --> 01:40:02,195
site plan for the publix that is a part of the yorktown crescent plan

1341
01:40:02,485 --> 01:40:06,485
development. Okay. Alright. Point out where everything is here. Yeah, of course.

1342
01:40:07,185 --> 01:40:10,605
um, so oh, oh, you're saying it, it goes behind where the sheets proposed to go?

1343
01:40:11,395 --> 01:40:15,085
yeah, so this is, um, this is route 17 over here. Yellow way sheets.

1344
01:40:15,755 --> 01:40:19,685
okay. Okay. I had it back. I had it backwards. Okay. Yeah. And then this is the sheets and then

1345
01:40:19,805 --> 01:40:23,795
that's that driveway. Um, and then this is the publixs

1346
01:40:24,645 --> 01:40:28,645
building that's proposed and then the parking lot, um, this is mariner's way

1347
01:40:28,895 --> 01:40:32,845
right here, and this is specifically just for the

1348
01:40:33,075 --> 01:40:36,945
publixs, um, site plan. And so this site plan is following the

1349
01:40:37,165 --> 01:40:40,955
traffic impact analysis and proposal from the rezoning application

1350
01:40:42,065 --> 01:40:44,005
in 2024 that got approved.

1351
01:40:46,845 --> 01:40:50,705
all right. And here's a photo of the overall yorktown crescent proposal. That was with that

1352
01:40:50,865 --> 01:40:54,785
2024 rezoning. Um, here is where the

1353
01:40:55,065 --> 01:40:59,065
publix is, and again, this is where that out parcel where the sheets is

1354
01:40:59,285 --> 01:41:03,165
being proposed. And number five isn't that townhouses

1355
01:41:05,835 --> 01:41:07,695
down in the bottom next to sheets apartments

1356
01:41:11,705 --> 01:41:15,485
right here. So that gets us into what are the setbacks? What

1357
01:41:15,775 --> 01:41:19,615
is the buffers? Um, I'm sorry,

1358
01:41:19,875 --> 01:41:23,855
I'm not sure how to answer that. Um, is that, are we asking about

1359
01:41:24,195 --> 01:41:28,015
how the apartments are gonna be incorporated with the yorktown c like how it's, how

1360
01:41:28,215 --> 01:41:31,855
it's following, uh, the overall conceptual

1361
01:41:32,365 --> 01:41:36,135
plan from the rezoning? I'm asking if there needs to be buffers on that side, on the sheet's

1362
01:41:36,895 --> 01:41:40,835
property. See, uh, next to housing? Yes.

1363
01:41:42,365 --> 01:41:44,975
yeah, 50 foot buffer doesn't appear to have it.

1364
01:41:47,175 --> 01:41:51,175
I know that with the conceptual plans, they don't have to be a hundred percent followed.

1365
01:41:51,255 --> 01:41:55,135
usually in the site plan, that is where the details go and where they're gonna show those

1366
01:41:55,935 --> 01:41:59,415
specific requirements they have to follow per the code. I think we have a follow up question there

1367
01:42:00,435 --> 01:42:04,155
of course. Any more questions about the

1368
01:42:04,725 --> 01:42:08,615
overall? I did have some additional questions, but I'll

1369
01:42:08,815 --> 01:42:12,555
turn to my other board members. Sheila. Well, I'm, I'm still looking at it and

1370
01:42:12,895 --> 01:42:15,855
I dunno why we have it and vdot hasn't approved

1371
01:42:17,155 --> 01:42:19,305
the, the plans.

1372
01:42:21,595 --> 01:42:24,535
yes. Um, that is a good question. How can we vote it on something that

1373
01:42:26,205 --> 01:42:30,075
they haven't approved? Yeah. Um, so usually with the special use permit or

1374
01:42:30,415 --> 01:42:34,275
rezoning applications, we only require traffic impact analysis and

1375
01:42:34,495 --> 01:42:38,165
usually in the site plan approval process, once they do a formal site plan,

1376
01:42:38,915 --> 01:42:42,775
um, submittal, that's when vdot is going to go into all the details

1377
01:42:43,195 --> 01:42:46,525
and make sure that they're following all of the recommendations by vdot.

1378
01:42:47,615 --> 01:42:51,575
a lot of the times I know applicants like to make sure that they're even allowed to do

1379
01:42:51,735 --> 01:42:55,495
the use, um, per knowing the traffic impact analysis.

1380
01:42:55,875 --> 01:42:59,815
and that's what we give you all in with staff recommendation. Um, and

1381
01:43:00,015 --> 01:43:03,455
then in that site plan, approval process is when all the, the small details

1382
01:43:04,115 --> 01:43:07,965
and all of the considerations that vdot and also us as a county take

1383
01:43:08,255 --> 01:43:12,115
into account and make sure that's followed even before it's built or anything, um, is

1384
01:43:12,335 --> 01:43:16,255
done with the proposal. So what do they tell us? What, what does

1385
01:43:16,445 --> 01:43:18,285
vdot tell us anything about this, uh, development?

1386
01:43:22,255 --> 01:43:26,175
I know that vdot has submitted multiple comments for the

1387
01:43:26,325 --> 01:43:29,885
site plan on, on publix. Um, I'm sure that

1388
01:43:30,855 --> 01:43:34,455
possibly the applicant representative might know a little bit more on me from that, that side of things.

1389
01:43:35,005 --> 01:43:38,935
well, not publix, but I'm talking about sheets. I mean, it's a, it's a,

1390
01:43:39,765 --> 01:43:43,655
it's a kind of a big piece that's gonna be with a

1391
01:43:43,965 --> 01:43:47,935
traffic light and another big major traffic light just near it

1392
01:43:48,135 --> 01:43:52,045
over a thousand feet away, I think. But I'm just saying, have we

1393
01:43:52,165 --> 01:43:55,685
got nothing about what's the proposed traffic coming in and out of, uh, sheets

1394
01:43:56,185 --> 01:44:00,075
itself? Have we got anything from vdot? Yeah,

1395
01:44:00,385 --> 01:44:04,345
so the, the comment letter, um, from october, the near the ending of october is

1396
01:44:04,565 --> 01:44:08,445
where vdot voices some of those concerns mm-hmm . Because the, the distance

1397
01:44:08,645 --> 01:44:12,285
between voice concerns and what are they saying? I mean, in terms of us, what we gotta do

1398
01:44:12,705 --> 01:44:16,565
to fix things. My voice is about to go here, voice is

1399
01:44:16,765 --> 01:44:20,585
going. Yeah. One of those things would be, the preference would not

1400
01:44:20,875 --> 01:44:24,745
have a signal there. Um, because it doesn't meet the, um,

1401
01:44:25,285 --> 01:44:28,605
distance that vdot normally likes to have between two signalize intersections.

1402
01:44:29,905 --> 01:44:33,885
um, so I thought it was over 800 feet. Uh, vdot likes to have

1403
01:44:34,045 --> 01:44:37,585
it to be a little bit over 2,600 feet between two.

1404
01:44:38,185 --> 01:44:41,605
and here it's, it's a little bit over a thousand feet in between

1405
01:44:43,235 --> 01:44:47,155
something different than what I've been told over the years. Normally it can go as low as 800 feet,

1406
01:44:47,945 --> 01:44:51,555
but um, it depends on the speed's. It depends on the speed limit. Well

1407
01:44:52,145 --> 01:44:55,445
it depends on a lot of things. That's why I'm kind of wondering what we've got here,

1408
01:44:56,185 --> 01:44:58,565
um, from vdot if we haven't gotten a,

1409
01:45:00,205 --> 01:45:03,765
a termination on the signals signalization of that, that section

1410
01:45:04,265 --> 01:45:07,785
or whatever they want to be gonna put in there. Um,

1411
01:45:08,355 --> 01:45:11,895
alright. Wayne

1412
01:45:12,765 --> 01:45:16,345
comments? Yeah. Um, so

1413
01:45:19,675 --> 01:45:23,435
some of it, I'm, I'm a little, I guess I'm a little taken back,

1414
01:45:23,865 --> 01:45:27,635
but I don't think it's a problem with the use. I think it's

1415
01:45:28,385 --> 01:45:32,325
the use is okay. Uh, and I think we are looking to bring good

1416
01:45:33,605 --> 01:45:36,805
business to york county. I think the problem that I'm seeing,

1417
01:45:37,745 --> 01:45:41,715
uh, I look at this for the viewers, this

1418
01:45:42,005 --> 01:45:43,545
is what was sent to us to look at.

1419
01:45:49,605 --> 01:45:53,285
I don't have time to do that. I, this should have been

1420
01:45:53,645 --> 01:45:56,685
a summarized report that gives us the bullet points

1421
01:45:57,785 --> 01:46:01,775
and go through it. Now I did go through it, but I really don't have

1422
01:46:01,895 --> 01:46:05,535
time to do that. So whoever's presenting that from the company

1423
01:46:06,355 --> 01:46:10,295
or the engineering staff or whatever, we don't need this. It's a

1424
01:46:10,415 --> 01:46:14,385
waste of our time. We need the bullet points. We need to know

1425
01:46:14,505 --> 01:46:18,325
what says and what doesn't say. The other thing, uh,

1426
01:46:19,105 --> 01:46:22,945
I think we even talked about it, there's a lot of vdot issues

1427
01:46:23,145 --> 01:46:26,935
here. I'm looking back, um, at the vdot

1428
01:46:28,365 --> 01:46:32,305
uh, response letter and there's, um, 19

1429
01:46:32,885 --> 01:46:36,625
bullet points. That's, that's something's wrong. That's in

1430
01:46:37,025 --> 01:46:38,825
e incorrect. It was a miscalculation.

1431
01:46:41,365 --> 01:46:45,145
and so to me there's a lot of unanswered questions here that I think

1432
01:46:45,615 --> 01:46:49,445
bdot needs to do. I think this is far beyond what we need to do right now. I think

1433
01:46:49,895 --> 01:46:53,235
right now I think the, the things that need to be cleared up with vdot

1434
01:46:53,955 --> 01:46:57,885
that needs to happen before I'm willing to vote on something like this. I

1435
01:46:58,005 --> 01:47:00,425
think that part has to have clarity for me. 'cause right now

1436
01:47:02,185 --> 01:47:06,025
we know that that intersection's gonna be, it's gonna be

1437
01:47:06,365 --> 01:47:10,365
a, a well driven traffic nightmare if we don't do this

1438
01:47:10,485 --> 01:47:13,885
right. And I, I trust that vdo t's gonna do that. But to the developers,

1439
01:47:15,405 --> 01:47:19,365
I think they need to get that done before we get to vote on this. I, I don't,

1440
01:47:19,885 --> 01:47:23,275
I wouldn't feel comfortable voting on this with, with no assurance that

1441
01:47:24,425 --> 01:47:28,345
vdo t's gonna be happy with what's going on here and they kick it back and then we, we wasted

1442
01:47:28,765 --> 01:47:30,885
a lot of time. That's just my opinion.

1443
01:47:33,585 --> 01:47:37,365
so a few things, and I don't know if you hit the end of your presentation yet,

1444
01:47:37,625 --> 01:47:41,115
but, um, can you speak briefly on performance

1445
01:47:41,965 --> 01:47:45,785
standards for convenience stores and fueling stations? Um,

1446
01:47:46,545 --> 01:47:50,525
so audience and our, the board can understand what they,

1447
01:47:50,685 --> 01:47:54,245
what they look like. Okay. Yeah. So, um, for kind of just an overall

1448
01:47:54,755 --> 01:47:58,625
view for the convenience stores and fuel stations, um, I know a big part of it is if

1449
01:47:58,845 --> 01:48:02,615
the use is no longer going to happen, there's kind of demolition,

1450
01:48:03,905 --> 01:48:07,515
um, standard put in there for what they have to follow. A lot of the times it's

1451
01:48:07,965 --> 01:48:11,515
setbacks, um, things to do with like

1452
01:48:12,085 --> 01:48:15,665
lighting or how the use functions. Um,

1453
01:48:16,945 --> 01:48:20,885
if you want, I can also provide, um, so let's talk about the first part.

1454
01:48:21,305 --> 01:48:24,825
so if it ceases to operate as a fueling station for

1455
01:48:25,395 --> 01:48:28,965
nine months, I think, um, then it needs to be

1456
01:48:30,365 --> 01:48:33,365
returned back to a bare lot. What, what is the expectations?

1457
01:48:35,825 --> 01:48:39,605
um, I cannot remember off of the top of my head. It's been a while since I read

1458
01:48:40,005 --> 01:48:43,885
those sections of the code in super detail and I apologize for not having that memorized

1459
01:48:44,265 --> 01:48:46,265
for you tonight. Um, but

1460
01:48:51,105 --> 01:48:54,685
the tanks have to be removed and the canopy has to be removed. So it has to be shovel ready.

1461
01:48:55,275 --> 01:48:59,165
it's basically what the, what the ordinance says. Well, it has

1462
01:48:59,285 --> 01:49:02,725
to be shovel ready for somebody to come in and, and, but does that, was it the same performance

1463
01:49:03,325 --> 01:49:07,245
standard suppli to the convenience store part of the property of

1464
01:49:07,445 --> 01:49:09,995
the business or just the fuel and station part of it? Because

1465
01:49:12,085 --> 01:49:15,695
that would be just the fuel, um, establishment. Right. So they

1466
01:49:16,175 --> 01:49:19,965
continue operating as just a convenience store but not necessarily as a fueling station from

1467
01:49:20,255 --> 01:49:23,735
my understanding. Yeah. Okay. Probably not because they're all intertwined, but there is a separation.

1468
01:49:24,405 --> 01:49:28,255
alright. Um, be in the ground. It looks like it, it won't

1469
01:49:28,495 --> 01:49:32,255
accommodate, um, passenger vehicles. I don't see from what I've read here,

1470
01:49:32,855 --> 01:49:36,155
pictures where it would accommodate fueling stations for

1471
01:49:37,675 --> 01:49:41,595
big rigs, 18 wheelers. Is this mainly passenger vehicles? Yes,

1472
01:49:41,815 --> 01:49:45,575
mainly passenger vehicles. Um, and I know with discussions

1473
01:49:46,015 --> 01:49:49,845
with chairman holroyd, um, making it to where, uh, tractor trailers are

1474
01:49:50,045 --> 01:49:53,915
not allowed to be at the fueling stations as well has been proposed and discussed.

1475
01:49:54,945 --> 01:49:58,445
um, so this is mostly here to capture the passenger

1476
01:49:58,965 --> 01:50:02,845
vehicles that are going, um, to the interstate and also kind

1477
01:50:03,085 --> 01:50:06,515
of already within, it's not meant to be kinda a final destination

1478
01:50:07,865 --> 01:50:10,445
use. Okay. Um, proposed operating hours,

1479
01:50:12,485 --> 01:50:16,485
I believe sheets is 24 hours. 24 7. 24 7. Okay. Mm-hmm . All right.

1480
01:50:16,565 --> 01:50:20,545
and the last thing, there are a lot of pluses for an

1481
01:50:20,885 --> 01:50:24,715
op, an operation like that come in at this location, it serves a lot of needs. Meet,

1482
01:50:25,005 --> 01:50:28,125
meet meets some, um, solves some problems for a lot of people living in the area.

1483
01:50:29,205 --> 01:50:33,125
I am concerned about the traffic impact though as we, as we discussed here, because it's

1484
01:50:33,365 --> 01:50:37,365
not just a traffic impact on the people traveling on 17, it also is a traffic

1485
01:50:37,565 --> 01:50:40,865
impact for the residents that live off 17 where people go,

1486
01:50:41,665 --> 01:50:45,525
I'm tired of driving to that traffic through 17, so I'm gonna jump off and go through

1487
01:50:45,765 --> 01:50:49,765
a residential area to bypass it. And we gotta protect that as much as

1488
01:50:49,925 --> 01:50:53,635
we need to protect the 17 corridor as well. So, very

1489
01:50:54,165 --> 01:50:57,545
sensitive to that. Again, I think there's a lot of pluses having sheets there or

1490
01:50:58,245 --> 01:51:01,995
business like that. Um, but we gotta, we gotta get that right. We cannot introduce

1491
01:51:03,205 --> 01:51:06,945
a problem here with no need for it. We,

1492
01:51:07,225 --> 01:51:09,155
we gotta find a good solution for it. So. Alright.

1493
01:51:11,495 --> 01:51:15,155
thank you steven. Madison, I had a couple of follow ups in section eight. Community

1494
01:51:15,765 --> 01:51:19,745
impacts. Um, it discussed sheets tying into, uh,

1495
01:51:20,005 --> 01:51:22,965
the sewer system, sewage pumping system of yorktown crescent.

1496
01:51:24,025 --> 01:51:27,605
but I see no tie, I don't see any, uh, uh, condition

1497
01:51:28,105 --> 01:51:32,075
of, uh, of acceptance that, um, establishes

1498
01:51:32,795 --> 01:51:35,885
that as a requirement. Uh, within the, within the, the resolution.

1499
01:51:36,925 --> 01:51:40,725
I think there needs to be a clear tie between when construction starts on sheets,

1500
01:51:41,705 --> 01:51:45,085
uh, and when the sewer system is ready or available. We've seen

1501
01:51:45,795 --> 01:51:49,765
lengthy delays on the yorktown crescent project and I wouldn't want to be proceeding

1502
01:51:50,325 --> 01:51:54,105
with a sheets construction and then find myself having no ability to, uh,

1503
01:51:55,205 --> 01:51:59,045
properly, um, tie, tie into the sewer. Mm-hmm . So I think,

1504
01:51:59,285 --> 01:52:02,905
I think there needs to be a connection there as a, as a, as a follow up.

1505
01:52:03,905 --> 01:52:07,605
um, section 12 of the, um, of your report

1506
01:52:08,015 --> 01:52:11,825
talks about the impact on immediate neighbors. Um,

1507
01:52:12,065 --> 01:52:15,685
so we, we've got two restaurants on the york on the, um, yorktown

1508
01:52:16,245 --> 01:52:20,005
crescent side. I think it's a wendy's and an arby's. Arby's, yeah. And we've got four

1509
01:52:20,445 --> 01:52:24,445
businesses across the street where this, uh, median will now be

1510
01:52:24,645 --> 01:52:28,385
closed. I think we need to hear from those six businesses. Uh,

1511
01:52:28,665 --> 01:52:32,445
do they, do they support this project as it's stated? Because

1512
01:52:32,965 --> 01:52:36,525
I, I do not see anything in this package and I think that's, that behooves

1513
01:52:37,005 --> 01:52:40,825
us to, uh, to reach out to those customers or to those businesses and

1514
01:52:41,045 --> 01:52:45,045
get that input. Yeah, I definitely, um, hear that. Um, and we did

1515
01:52:45,275 --> 01:52:48,845
send the pub public notification letters to the surrounding property owners,

1516
01:52:49,625 --> 01:52:53,605
um, but we can look into directly reaching out to the businesses as well. I think it, I think as york

1517
01:52:53,845 --> 01:52:56,605
county, we owe it to the existing businesses to do that.

1518
01:52:58,555 --> 01:53:01,365
that was all the questions I had for planning staff. Thank you.

1519
01:53:05,205 --> 01:53:08,605
I believe the applicant, uh, mr. Trance is here.

1520
01:53:09,455 --> 01:53:12,805
would you, uh, care to come forward and, uh, present please.

1521
01:53:16,865 --> 01:53:19,405
oh, and welcome back. Good to see you, tim.

1522
01:53:37,705 --> 01:53:41,575
thank you, madison. I would've fumbled that. So appreciate you getting that up.

1523
01:53:42,155 --> 01:53:46,135
um, good evening, mr. Chairman, members of the board. My name is tim tran, attorney

1524
01:53:46,215 --> 01:53:49,995
with kaufman at knolls office at 48 0 1 courthouse street in

1525
01:53:50,335 --> 01:53:53,895
williamsburg, virginia. It's my privilege tonight to be here on behalf of the applicant,

1526
01:53:54,395 --> 01:53:58,295
the developer of the publix and the proposed sheets, uh, shopping

1527
01:53:58,455 --> 01:54:02,415
center. Uh, I'll introduce some folks that are with me tonight. First in the bullet

1528
01:54:02,575 --> 01:54:06,575
list as the, the long list of owners that own the underlying property. I don't believe any

1529
01:54:06,735 --> 01:54:10,615
of them are here tonight, but I, um, they've been very helpful and cooperative in, in

1530
01:54:10,815 --> 01:54:14,415
helping us work through this process. Um, on behalf of redstone properties,

1531
01:54:14,955 --> 01:54:18,495
the developer here tonight is mr. John schwartz and maya taylor,

1532
01:54:19,475 --> 01:54:23,335
uh, who came in from florida to be with us tonight. Uh, representatives of

1533
01:54:23,535 --> 01:54:27,495
sheets or todd cado and tony caruso, who also came in

1534
01:54:27,695 --> 01:54:31,675
from, uh, richmond and points north to be here with us tonight. And, uh,

1535
01:54:32,385 --> 01:54:36,375
henry sells with timmons is our civil engineer, uh, here on behalf of

1536
01:54:36,575 --> 01:54:39,865
the engineering team. And then last but certainly not least, is karen mcpherson,

1537
01:54:41,195 --> 01:54:45,055
uh, our traffic engineer. I suspect you all will want

1538
01:54:45,255 --> 01:54:49,155
to, could come a bit closer to the mic. Yes. Sorry. Sorry. Thank you. Moving

1539
01:54:49,575 --> 01:54:53,165
around. Forgive me. Okay. Um, these next

1540
01:54:53,875 --> 01:54:57,575
slides are just visual aids if we need to come back to them. I know everybody's

1541
01:54:58,255 --> 01:55:02,055
familiar with the location of the site and if, but they're here for

1542
01:55:02,615 --> 01:55:06,515
referencing, uh, in questions if and answers if we need to. And

1543
01:55:06,775 --> 01:55:10,425
I know you all have seen all of these, uh, materials, which ms, uh, scoff,

1544
01:55:11,335 --> 01:55:14,795
ley, uh, presented. So just quickly to the, um,

1545
01:55:15,435 --> 01:55:19,075
my presentation and, and the applicant's perspective on the project, um,

1546
01:55:19,585 --> 01:55:23,575
first, uh, redstone is developing, as has been noted, the

1547
01:55:23,895 --> 01:55:27,855
adjacent site for the publix anchored grocery store, which was

1548
01:55:28,215 --> 01:55:32,175
approved by this board in a rezoning, uh, over a year ago, I believe.

1549
01:55:32,835 --> 01:55:36,315
um, and this, uh, sheet convenience store with gas station we

1550
01:55:36,975 --> 01:55:40,455
perceive as a complimentary use, the respective, uh, nationally

1551
01:55:41,045 --> 01:55:44,845
branded, uh, tenants know each other, have experience with each other and, and really

1552
01:55:45,105 --> 01:55:48,675
see a lot of synergy in the, in the two uses coexisting on the same site.

1553
01:55:49,425 --> 01:55:52,725
um, and, and hope that that will establish a, a more meaningful and sustainable

1554
01:55:53,645 --> 01:55:57,125
presence. Uh, you know, commercial presence on route 17, uh, sheets,

1555
01:55:57,705 --> 01:56:01,625
as many of you may know, is highly, highly regarded, uh, you

1556
01:56:01,925 --> 01:56:05,885
know, and a, and a representative of a top tier brand in the modern convenience store,

1557
01:56:06,465 --> 01:56:09,895
uh, marketplace. And, uh, their network of, uh, 750

1558
01:56:11,365 --> 01:56:15,335
locations across the mid-atlantic and the, and the, uh, midwest, along

1559
01:56:15,685 --> 01:56:19,585
with over 21,000 employees, uh, is,

1560
01:56:19,905 --> 01:56:23,845
uh, is poised to make their, uh, move onto the peninsula. And we,

1561
01:56:23,965 --> 01:56:27,825
we hope that they can welcome their first store in york county here, uh,

1562
01:56:28,105 --> 01:56:32,025
at this site. Um, again, we spoke briefly about the synergy of

1563
01:56:32,245 --> 01:56:36,125
publix and sheets to ensure a vibrant and sustainable commercial center

1564
01:56:36,825 --> 01:56:40,805
at, uh, will serve obviously residents of york county employees, of county

1565
01:56:41,365 --> 01:56:44,965
businesses and commuters that are in, in that corridor on route

1566
01:56:45,525 --> 01:56:49,465
17, helps fulfill the comprehensive plan vision for a village center at

1567
01:56:49,685 --> 01:56:53,585
the fort eustis route 17 intersection node, and,

1568
01:56:53,945 --> 01:56:57,405
uh, completes a comprehensive retail offering in close

1569
01:56:58,035 --> 01:57:01,255
proximity to centers of employment and existing and future residences.

1570
01:57:03,065 --> 01:57:06,945
um, to speak briefly to traffic, which I know is, has

1571
01:57:07,165 --> 01:57:11,145
been expressed of, of very, uh, significant interest to this board and rightfully so.

1572
01:57:12,015 --> 01:57:15,725
first, the traffic for this parcel

1573
01:57:17,225 --> 01:57:21,145
was approved, uh, generally as a part of the traffic impact

1574
01:57:21,965 --> 01:57:25,845
analysis that was done with the public's grocery store in that rezoning

1575
01:57:26,205 --> 01:57:29,695
process. So that this parcel was programmed

1576
01:57:30,365 --> 01:57:34,345
understanding it would be developed in the future, not knowing exactly how

1577
01:57:35,065 --> 01:57:38,905
it was programmed or projected in that traffic study to

1578
01:57:39,125 --> 01:57:42,705
be developed. That which was done, uh, by ms. Mcpherson, uh,

1579
01:57:43,265 --> 01:57:47,155
was programmed to be two additional, um, drive-through

1580
01:57:48,285 --> 01:57:51,725
restaurants so that there was traffic associated with those two drive-through

1581
01:57:52,765 --> 01:57:56,525
restaurants programmed on this parcel in connection with that study,

1582
01:57:56,845 --> 01:58:00,445
which has already received approval. Now, this use is different

1583
01:58:00,945 --> 01:58:04,825
and has different traffic impacts, um, and that's why there's changes and

1584
01:58:05,045 --> 01:58:08,845
an update or an amendment to that existing approved tia. But I just want everybody

1585
01:58:09,085 --> 01:58:12,945
to understand we are not proposing totally new traffic to, to

1586
01:58:13,265 --> 01:58:17,035
an analysis or to a, a traffic management program that

1587
01:58:17,475 --> 01:58:21,475
vdot hasn't seen be before. We're just changing the character of that traffic from

1588
01:58:22,065 --> 01:58:25,765
two drive through restaurants to a convenience store and a signaled intersection.

1589
01:58:26,985 --> 01:58:30,525
um, multiple ingress egress points, as you know, particularly

1590
01:58:31,235 --> 01:58:34,975
full movement ingress egress points result in and allow

1591
01:58:35,325 --> 01:58:39,165
for a dispersion of entering and exiting trips, which generally improves traffic

1592
01:58:39,775 --> 01:58:43,545
flows. And that is the case here, which is born in, uh, out by our

1593
01:58:43,875 --> 01:58:47,275
amended study. Um, we've talked about complimentary uses.

1594
01:58:47,945 --> 01:58:51,915
the, the reason that is relevant in the traffic context is many

1595
01:58:52,305 --> 01:58:56,245
of the public's customers will also be sheet's customers. So they will be

1596
01:58:57,245 --> 01:59:01,245
entering, uh, the exiting, excuse me, uh, 17 into this

1597
01:59:01,565 --> 01:59:04,945
shopping center, buying groceries and receiving fuel. So

1598
01:59:05,605 --> 01:59:09,155
a lot of the traffic that is being, um, generated,

1599
01:59:09,785 --> 01:59:13,645
if you will, by the sheets and publix facilities will be the same trips,

1600
01:59:14,505 --> 01:59:18,345
um, for an hyper conservative modeling of

1601
01:59:18,565 --> 01:59:22,315
traffic. Just so you all know that in our original study that

1602
01:59:22,605 --> 01:59:26,565
was done with the publix and in the update that was done for sheets,

1603
01:59:28,105 --> 01:59:31,515
all of the traffic projected to be quote, generated

1604
01:59:32,425 --> 01:59:36,345
by the sheets project was proposed to be new

1605
01:59:36,815 --> 01:59:40,715
trips to the corridor. No internal capture between

1606
01:59:41,475 --> 01:59:44,545
uses between the publix and the sheets was proposed to reduce

1607
01:59:45,545 --> 01:59:49,355
the traffic generated by sheets. No pass by capture

1608
01:59:50,465 --> 01:59:54,405
was proposed, meaning cars in the corridor already just making a right

1609
01:59:54,705 --> 01:59:58,645
end sheets and a right out of sheets. Right? No discount in the

1610
01:59:58,805 --> 02:00:02,795
overall traffic impact from sheets was projected

1611
02:00:03,745 --> 02:00:07,725
by internal capture or pass by. Now, that was done intentionally

1612
02:00:08,945 --> 02:00:12,195
by our team to produce a very conservative traffic

1613
02:00:13,685 --> 02:00:17,545
analysis so that it would overestimate the traffic impacts of this use

1614
02:00:18,225 --> 02:00:22,055
and that our solutions would be, you know, over pro, uh, under

1615
02:00:22,405 --> 02:00:26,245
promise and overperformed, meaning we, you know, they would be more than adequate to accommodate the traffic

1616
02:00:26,535 --> 02:00:30,385
flows. The traffic flows projected would ultimately less than what are born out

1617
02:00:31,185 --> 02:00:35,005
in, uh, in reality, as we all know, a substantial amount

1618
02:00:35,265 --> 02:00:39,265
of the traffic associated with the sheets will be passed by

1619
02:00:39,575 --> 02:00:43,525
trips. It will not be a tremendous number of travelers of customers

1620
02:00:43,765 --> 02:00:47,525
that come from out of the area to, to this store. They will be already

1621
02:00:48,145 --> 02:00:51,765
in the commuting corridor. They'll be already traveling north and southbound on

1622
02:00:52,245 --> 02:00:56,165
17 or visiting the publix or going to their homes or going to,

1623
02:00:56,505 --> 02:01:00,265
or from their places of work. So anyway, just the point that our,

1624
02:01:00,625 --> 02:01:04,625
uh, analysis is hyper conservative. Um, the difference in

1625
02:01:04,985 --> 02:01:08,885
the sheet's proposal is, as has been noted that we are proposing a

1626
02:01:09,165 --> 02:01:12,605
signaled intersection where before it had just been an unsigned,

1627
02:01:13,425 --> 02:01:17,365
uh, access point, the advantage, uh, and we have

1628
02:01:17,525 --> 02:01:21,085
proffered to do that. Um, I would respectfully submit to you, and, and ms. Mcpherson

1629
02:01:21,905 --> 02:01:25,725
can, uh, express this in more detail if you wish, that while there are a number of,

1630
02:01:26,305 --> 02:01:30,045
uh, details to resolve with vdot, uh, in, in good faith,

1631
02:01:30,785 --> 02:01:34,565
uh, we believe that the, the substantive issue to resolve

1632
02:01:34,845 --> 02:01:38,605
with vdot is whether it's a conventional signal or a green tea signal, which

1633
02:01:39,045 --> 02:01:42,085
is also a signaled intersection. It's just as you saw a different variety

1634
02:01:43,225 --> 02:01:47,085
that's really the issue, uh, that we need to, and, and we absolutely need

1635
02:01:47,325 --> 02:01:51,165
to resolve that with vdot. So we proffered that we would do a signal

1636
02:01:51,635 --> 02:01:55,625
subject to vdo t's approval so that whatever vdot ultimately approved, we

1637
02:01:55,845 --> 02:01:59,705
had to build it. And, and our intent is that our proposal be con

1638
02:01:59,985 --> 02:02:03,645
and our ability to develop the sheets or anything, you know, uh, with special

1639
02:02:04,205 --> 02:02:08,165
approval on that site, uh, would only be contingent upon vdo t's ultimate

1640
02:02:08,565 --> 02:02:12,285
approval of the design of that intersection and our agreeing to build it.

1641
02:02:12,585 --> 02:02:16,485
um, and if that needs to be made more clear in any of the proffers or other

1642
02:02:16,725 --> 02:02:20,345
commission conditions that we've submitted, you know, we're, we're obviously open to that. Anyway,

1643
02:02:20,765 --> 02:02:24,645
sorry to belabor the point, but I just wanted to address, we, we know we have to resolve that.

1644
02:02:24,825 --> 02:02:28,765
our, our hope was simply that we, as ms. Goff mentioned that we could work that

1645
02:02:28,965 --> 02:02:32,765
out with vdot during the site plan process, you know, the engineering process

1646
02:02:33,075 --> 02:02:36,925
that follows the zoning process, but respect and, and understand that you all

1647
02:02:37,085 --> 02:02:40,675
are anxious for, for more certainty around that. But we do believe our proffers protect

1648
02:02:41,185 --> 02:02:45,045
the county, and we're happy to embellish them in any way that you or the

1649
02:02:45,205 --> 02:02:49,205
county attorney deems appropriate to, to assure you of that if you are willing to move forward

1650
02:02:49,405 --> 02:02:53,085
this evening. Uh, environmental design and watershed protection.

1651
02:02:53,565 --> 02:02:56,525
just briefly, you know, our goal there, uh, as ms. Goff

1652
02:02:57,685 --> 02:03:01,505
ably represented, was to come up with a, an engineering proffered design

1653
02:03:02,195 --> 02:03:05,695
that would assure that we were achieving equivalent

1654
02:03:06,425 --> 02:03:10,285
or superior environmental protection to the base ordinance requirements. And

1655
02:03:10,485 --> 02:03:14,325
I think we, we work with sheets, newport news waterworks, and county staff, I believe,

1656
02:03:14,625 --> 02:03:18,565
to assure you, in the proffers of that. And we have received the support of newport

1657
02:03:18,845 --> 02:03:22,805
news waterworks. Last but not least, the, the project benefits, and I'll be quiet,

1658
02:03:23,255 --> 02:03:27,085
consistent with the comp plan, committed to high quality architecture and landscape

1659
02:03:27,605 --> 02:03:31,305
design, a very attractive presence on route 17, that, that's

1660
02:03:31,725 --> 02:03:35,485
often overlooked. But it is important, we believe, and, and meaningful to the character

1661
02:03:36,225 --> 02:03:40,125
of, of that corridor, um, concentrates retail services

1662
02:03:40,465 --> 02:03:44,365
in a designated village center, uh, in close proximity, as we've said to centers

1663
02:03:44,785 --> 02:03:48,645
of employment and existing and future residents, allows construction of

1664
02:03:48,845 --> 02:03:52,605
the entire site to proceed in one timeframe, um, provides traffic improvements.

1665
02:03:53,275 --> 02:03:57,205
last but not least, that actually improve the level of

1666
02:03:57,405 --> 02:04:01,035
service at the fort eustis route 17 intersection. That

1667
02:04:01,515 --> 02:04:05,085
I'll, uh, be quiet and answer any further questions. You may have

1668
02:04:07,015 --> 02:04:10,735
questions. No, well,

1669
02:04:11,055 --> 02:04:14,895
I don't know about a question. Um, I, I hear what

1670
02:04:15,095 --> 02:04:19,095
you're saying and, um, I, I think this is a great opportunity. I know that

1671
02:04:19,335 --> 02:04:23,155
sheets and publix works together across the, the region and,

1672
02:04:23,555 --> 02:04:27,395
um, I think a lot of people like sheets. I've been in there a lot of times, so,

1673
02:04:28,035 --> 02:04:31,535
uh, I'm looking forward to making this work. Uh, I guess I was just a little disappointed.

1674
02:04:32,175 --> 02:04:35,615
I feel like we're getting the cart before the horse a little bit here, and so maybe

1675
02:04:36,235 --> 02:04:40,235
that's what my consternation is. Um, I think I would've rather seen

1676
02:04:40,525 --> 02:04:44,265
it a little bit further along with the vdot part. Um,

1677
02:04:44,905 --> 02:04:48,825
but I certainly think this is a great opportunity and I'm, I'm certainly willing and

1678
02:04:49,045 --> 02:04:53,005
hope that we can work this out. And I'm sorry.

1679
02:04:53,305 --> 02:04:56,485
no, go ahead. I was just to respond to, uh, mr. Jury's point

1680
02:04:57,375 --> 02:05:00,905
about, you know, being further, I did want to to mention, uh,

1681
02:05:01,635 --> 02:05:05,595
that it was mentioned during you all your remarks to staff that

1682
02:05:05,945 --> 02:05:09,845
we did. Uh, and we have had an extensive outreach to the impacted businesses,

1683
02:05:10,125 --> 02:05:13,285
particularly the four across route 17 from us.

1684
02:05:14,145 --> 02:05:17,725
and, um, we have not been able, I don't believe, to make contact

1685
02:05:18,235 --> 02:05:22,065
with all four. We've made contact with three. We have, uh, the

1686
02:05:22,285 --> 02:05:26,265
support for our project from three of those businesses. Two

1687
02:05:26,915 --> 02:05:30,765
have actually provided letters of support for the conventional signal

1688
02:05:31,085 --> 02:05:35,045
versus the green tea. I know that's a detail. You all probably just want, you just want assurance

1689
02:05:35,355 --> 02:05:39,115
that it gets signaled and vdo t's comfortable with it, but just

1690
02:05:39,405 --> 02:05:43,365
wanted to respond to that component. Yeah. Well, that's good.

1691
02:05:43,665 --> 02:05:47,505
that's good information to know for sure. And we have not, and it's fresh off

1692
02:05:47,725 --> 02:05:51,715
the presses. We haven't submitted those letters to the county or to vdot

1693
02:05:52,005 --> 02:05:55,915
yet, but that'll be in our, our next document. Okay. Delivery. Yeah.

1694
02:05:56,255 --> 02:06:00,235
thank you. So, a couple things that one bullet point, second one from the

1695
02:06:00,315 --> 02:06:04,115
bottom, you, you repeated it twice in the, in the slide deck, provides traffic improvements that improve

1696
02:06:05,105 --> 02:06:08,635
line of sight. What's los at fort uc? Road 70 intersection?

1697
02:06:09,265 --> 02:06:13,055
yeah, a good question. Uh, mr. Ronan, I'm sorry I didn't cover it in

1698
02:06:13,275 --> 02:06:17,075
the first, uh, time. It appeared in the slide deck. You saw it and I didn't mention

1699
02:06:17,455 --> 02:06:21,065
it and I I didn't cover it well, at the end as I was running

1700
02:06:21,575 --> 02:06:25,315
out of time, lo s's level of service, I, I know that's a term that you've heard

1701
02:06:25,635 --> 02:06:29,415
before and it, it's a measure of how well, uh,

1702
02:06:29,655 --> 02:06:33,635
and how efficiently, uh, an intersection functions. It's, it's a

1703
02:06:33,715 --> 02:06:37,535
measure of the delay that the driver experiences. And so, um,

1704
02:06:38,625 --> 02:06:42,435
what, what our analysis result, one of the results

1705
02:06:42,735 --> 02:06:46,715
of our updated analysis is that by providing a

1706
02:06:46,995 --> 02:06:50,895
secondary signaled intersection further south on

1707
02:06:51,355 --> 02:06:55,095
17, about a thousand feet, as ms. Kauf correctly pointed out, um,

1708
02:06:55,825 --> 02:06:59,715
that provides another full movement access point to both sheets

1709
02:07:00,135 --> 02:07:03,545
and publix. Um, it's kind of the, the back door to publix, but it's another

1710
02:07:04,265 --> 02:07:07,815
full access movement. So you can make a left in or right in,

1711
02:07:08,385 --> 02:07:12,155
left out or right out, uh, as we've proposed it. By doing

1712
02:07:12,615 --> 02:07:16,335
so, that takes, uh, pressure off

1713
02:07:16,655 --> 02:07:20,455
of the fort eustis route 17 intersection because before

1714
02:07:21,655 --> 02:07:25,155
all of the left turns out of the public shopping center

1715
02:07:25,675 --> 02:07:29,515
would've had to have exited at route 17 and fort eustis

1716
02:07:29,755 --> 02:07:33,705
boulevard at that one intersection. By splitting those, that

1717
02:07:33,995 --> 02:07:37,525
traffic, giving a second option for that exiting traffic

1718
02:07:38,345 --> 02:07:41,915
to leave that center, you actually allow, give

1719
02:07:42,595 --> 02:07:46,195
more, you reduce delay, give more, you can give more green time

1720
02:07:46,985 --> 02:07:50,725
to the route 17 for eus boulevard intersection. So less delay

1721
02:07:51,045 --> 02:07:54,645
in that left turn movement out of the, the shopping center.

1722
02:07:55,425 --> 02:07:59,075
so that's how it improves the level of service. And I'm sure I've botched

1723
02:07:59,565 --> 02:08:03,525
that in some technical way. Well, ms. Mcpherson can come up and correctly. Well, I see what you're getting at

1724
02:08:03,645 --> 02:08:06,925
there. But it sounds like you gotta rob peter to pay paul as, as well.

1725
02:08:07,705 --> 02:08:10,485
um, 'cause you're impacting the traffic flow on 17

1726
02:08:11,865 --> 02:08:15,725
in two places. Pretty close together. But I'll, I'll look

1727
02:08:15,905 --> 02:08:18,745
for the engineers from vdot to figure out how they can

1728
02:08:20,215 --> 02:08:24,215
'cause uh, if with the right timing and the right priority of

1729
02:08:24,655 --> 02:08:27,695
17 over, uh, fort yus boulevard and in and out of, um,

1730
02:08:29,155 --> 02:08:33,055
sheets there, there may be some solutions there that, that really doesn't

1731
02:08:34,025 --> 02:08:37,815
bring a lot of impact. But I will go back. It's been over a year.

1732
02:08:38,875 --> 02:08:42,275
and by the way, thanks for the call yesterday for any questions. Um,

1733
02:08:43,395 --> 02:08:46,715
but I seem to remember when we last looked at this site, the plan was

1734
02:08:48,455 --> 02:08:52,115
ingress at that location into publix and into that larger

1735
02:08:52,685 --> 02:08:56,655
development. But all the egress, what there was egress

1736
02:08:57,015 --> 02:09:00,975
to go north on 17, but the egress was south on 17 would go through

1737
02:09:01,135 --> 02:09:04,915
the existing fort uses boulevard. Um, now you're explaining here how

1738
02:09:05,595 --> 02:09:09,445
if you add the secondary signal, the distal signal,

1739
02:09:10,345 --> 02:09:14,285
it improves that intersection. Um, but over a year we've been

1740
02:09:14,365 --> 02:09:18,285
looking at a solution that wouldn't have a signal there so close to an

1741
02:09:18,405 --> 02:09:22,125
existence signal at a pretty big intersection. And now this is a pretty

1742
02:09:22,445 --> 02:09:26,285
significant change that a plan here. So again, it just goes back

1743
02:09:26,485 --> 02:09:30,485
to my concern. We wanna be able to support

1744
02:09:30,685 --> 02:09:34,525
something, but at the same time, we don't want to introduce new problems. That's gonna be a headache to

1745
02:09:34,705 --> 02:09:38,605
not only the, the travels on 17, but our residents off 17

1746
02:09:38,745 --> 02:09:42,125
as well. So that, that's a, it's a big nut you guys need to crack

1747
02:09:43,195 --> 02:09:47,045
with vdot and for us to, you know, reach the end, end

1748
02:09:47,245 --> 02:09:49,125
of the lane here. So understand. Alright, thanks

1749
02:09:53,105 --> 02:09:56,765
mr. No, we're all back to

1750
02:09:57,525 --> 02:10:01,325
what fi is gonna say or not. And here we go through this an all, you know, an awful

1751
02:10:01,645 --> 02:10:05,525
lot of times, but I'm, I'm still uncomfortable with the

1752
02:10:05,685 --> 02:10:09,685
fact that vdot has reservations about the signaling

1753
02:10:10,305 --> 02:10:14,085
and, and what you wanna do, and yet you're coming to us for us to approve

1754
02:10:14,445 --> 02:10:18,305
it. And what, what if you and vdot can't work it out? No,

1755
02:10:18,525 --> 02:10:22,325
understood. And to the benefit of our citizens, not just so much to you.

1756
02:10:22,865 --> 02:10:26,645
no, understood. And and our answer to that, which, which, uh, may not be

1757
02:10:27,285 --> 02:10:31,255
satisfactory to ms. Noll is that we wouldn't get to build our project. You know, we can't

1758
02:10:31,605 --> 02:10:35,405
proceed with our zoning. It's a condition, the fact that we work it out with

1759
02:10:35,875 --> 02:10:39,565
vdot and we build our traffic signal or whatever, whether

1760
02:10:39,885 --> 02:10:43,885
it's a green tea or a conventional signal, we build whatever vdot ultimately

1761
02:10:44,165 --> 02:10:48,065
approves or we don't build. That's, and,

1762
02:10:48,425 --> 02:10:51,845
you know, that's the proposed solution and that's the crux of the situation. Understood.

1763
02:10:52,495 --> 02:10:52,495
understood.

1764
02:10:57,345 --> 02:11:01,285
so if we, if we were to approve this and you could not

1765
02:11:01,445 --> 02:11:05,365
agree with vdot, this is just a moot point, we would

1766
02:11:05,525 --> 02:11:09,385
not be able to satisfy our proffered conditions. Our, our position. And, and

1767
02:11:09,725 --> 02:11:13,315
again, it to the extent we need to further elaborate

1768
02:11:13,925 --> 02:11:17,595
or expand in our proffers to assure this, our position that,

1769
02:11:18,035 --> 02:11:21,825
that we presented through our application was that, that we, we

1770
02:11:22,045 --> 02:11:25,965
would not, it was our expectation that we would not be able to proceed to develop the sheets.

1771
02:11:26,165 --> 02:11:30,005
okay. If we can't reach that agreement. 'cause ultimately vita's decision

1772
02:11:30,655 --> 02:11:34,645
rules the day. That's correct. And just as a totally separate note, and this

1773
02:11:34,765 --> 02:11:38,645
is more information than maybe some board members want, but I know you will be familiar with

1774
02:11:38,845 --> 02:11:42,765
this because this is an, a quote onsite intersection mm-hmm . I mean, this is

1775
02:11:43,025 --> 02:11:45,915
the access to sheets as a technical

1776
02:11:47,215 --> 02:11:51,185
legal matter. I, I think that vdot would have the

1777
02:11:51,495 --> 02:11:55,245
discretion to require whatever it will require

1778
02:11:55,645 --> 02:11:59,355
of us in order to get our site. We can't get site plan approval through

1779
02:11:59,865 --> 02:12:03,805
the county and through vdot unless we satisfy okay. What vdot wants

1780
02:12:04,025 --> 02:12:07,905
at that intersection, irrespective of the, if this were a buy right use, uh,

1781
02:12:08,125 --> 02:12:11,985
you know, if it was already approved for a convenience store with gas station, okay. And,

1782
02:12:12,265 --> 02:12:16,005
and this, the traffic improvements weren't in the proffers, I don't

1783
02:12:16,285 --> 02:12:20,165
think because it's on site, you know, it's not like this is an, you know,

1784
02:12:20,585 --> 02:12:24,245
an improvement up the up the road, right. An offsite improvement,

1785
02:12:24,685 --> 02:12:28,285
which typically has to be, um, committed to through the zoning

1786
02:12:28,745 --> 02:12:32,345
and legislative process, because this is onsite, this is the access

1787
02:12:32,785 --> 02:12:36,685
to the project, right? I think vdot and the county have the discretion to deny the site

1788
02:12:36,885 --> 02:12:40,595
plan without, unless you've got support from vdot

1789
02:12:40,945 --> 02:12:44,165
for whatever improvements are, are, are dictated.

1790
02:12:45,545 --> 02:12:48,845
and, and I, I want to just get for clarity, maybe even for some of the board members,

1791
02:12:49,665 --> 02:12:53,515
so we're all on the same page right now, according to vdot,

1792
02:12:53,805 --> 02:12:57,735
they're okay with the, with this, the, um, continuous green

1793
02:12:58,185 --> 02:13:00,925
tea, right? That's what they said

1794
02:13:02,355 --> 02:13:06,085
according to the notes. And maybe what if you'll allow me, mr.

1795
02:13:06,665 --> 02:13:09,985
mr. Drew, what I would suggest is because ms. Mcpherson

1796
02:13:11,085 --> 02:13:15,085
has been on the front lines of those conversations with vido, and, and candidly I haven't, I mean,

1797
02:13:15,165 --> 02:13:19,125
I've been following the comment letters and reading and talking. Right. Um, I think it'd be important

1798
02:13:19,365 --> 02:13:22,565
for you to hear just from her about where that, the status of that conversation.

1799
02:13:23,505 --> 02:13:27,485
yes. I think ultimately, yes, you are correct. The substance as I understand it,

1800
02:13:27,685 --> 02:13:31,685
is we need to do a signaled a controlled access

1801
02:13:32,315 --> 02:13:36,225
here mm-hmm . What is it gonna look like, right? There's a range of options from r cut

1802
02:13:36,465 --> 02:13:40,445
to a conventional signal. I think in reality it's really down

1803
02:13:40,725 --> 02:13:44,565
to, is this a conventional signal or a green tea? But I think she'd be better. You could have

1804
02:13:45,315 --> 02:13:49,285
fresher, clearer information. We'll come back to that. I'd like tom to be able to

1805
02:13:49,365 --> 02:13:53,045
finish questions directly to you. Yes, sir. Yeah, tim, thanks

1806
02:13:53,545 --> 02:13:57,465
for the presentation here. I, I, I'm, uh, this, this, uh,

1807
02:13:57,685 --> 02:14:01,265
project is great. Okay? Mm-hmm . I got no problem with this project. Um,

1808
02:14:01,825 --> 02:14:05,315
the, the traffic issues of on 17 are always a problem. Alright?

1809
02:14:05,905 --> 02:14:09,645
and so that's what we've, what we're focused on here. Yeah, we don't want to inconvenience

1810
02:14:10,285 --> 02:14:13,525
people around it, but what the hell, you put something new in there, you're gonna inconvenience

1811
02:14:14,365 --> 02:14:18,325
somebody. Uh, but this would be, I think great, uh, great for that business

1812
02:14:18,445 --> 02:14:21,585
area. It, uh, provides that, um,

1813
02:14:22,905 --> 02:14:26,805
you know, that combination, and sorry for our voice, I just getting over this,

1814
02:14:27,365 --> 02:14:30,885
whatever the heck it is. But, um, we had the, we have a residential

1815
02:14:31,525 --> 02:14:35,445
area there. We, we wanted a, um, uh, we wanted businesses in there

1816
02:14:35,565 --> 02:14:39,185
with, with it, and this fits. So I'm okay with that. The issue on

1817
02:14:39,665 --> 02:14:43,025
the vdot thing kind of bothers me a lot, um,

1818
02:14:43,795 --> 02:14:47,745
because I'm a little concerned. Now, let me back this up

1819
02:14:48,045 --> 02:14:51,885
a little bit. We know how these things come to us, okay? We know that

1820
02:14:52,065 --> 02:14:55,845
the general plan, they come in with general plan. It's a concept of what's gonna happen.

1821
02:14:56,425 --> 02:15:00,405
things change over time. And, you know, we, we kind

1822
02:15:00,645 --> 02:15:04,185
of hope the staff paying attention and they mostly do

1823
02:15:04,665 --> 02:15:08,005
and things don't get screwed up. But yet, just a little down the road,

1824
02:15:08,785 --> 02:15:12,485
we have an apartment complex that got really hosed up with no park, basically

1825
02:15:13,105 --> 02:15:17,005
no parking. And I'm, I I, we're not gonna let that happen here. Well, we don't want

1826
02:15:17,125 --> 02:15:20,845
this to happen on, uh, on the main corridor. This is our main highway through,

1827
02:15:21,475 --> 02:15:25,405
through, uh, your county. So I'm kind

1828
02:15:25,525 --> 02:15:29,285
of looking at it from a legal perspective here and looking at the proffers

1829
02:15:29,685 --> 02:15:33,605
that you guys are proffering that we're not twisting your arm on. This

1830
02:15:33,805 --> 02:15:37,795
is what you're saying you gotta do. That's right. Basically, it's a very short sentence. Okay.

1831
02:15:38,265 --> 02:15:41,035
or paragraph. This is upon approval of vdot

1832
02:15:42,305 --> 02:15:45,925
of the requisite signal justification report and access management

1833
02:15:46,695 --> 02:15:50,645
exceptions. And the receipt of other required approvals from

1834
02:15:51,115 --> 02:15:55,065
vdot owner shall, shall design

1835
02:15:55,585 --> 02:15:59,525
and install a traffic signal at the intersection of the entrance

1836
02:15:59,865 --> 02:16:03,075
to the property and route 17 at such time.

1837
02:16:04,105 --> 02:16:07,765
and I'm not quite sure I understand that such time as determined by

1838
02:16:08,275 --> 02:16:11,845
vdot to be warranted and justified. So is there a possibility

1839
02:16:12,325 --> 02:16:16,245
that vdot just goes, eh, you don't need a signal there? No, I,

1840
02:16:16,805 --> 02:16:20,765
I don't think that's a re I guess anything's possible. I don't think

1841
02:16:20,845 --> 02:16:24,665
that's a realistic possibility here. The reason, and, you

1842
02:16:24,885 --> 02:16:28,785
know, look, I am no proud of authorship. If there's a better way to say

1843
02:16:29,435 --> 02:16:33,365
what we say there, what we mean by that is we've gotta design a signal

1844
02:16:33,985 --> 02:16:37,585
for this intersection that passes muster with vdot. And

1845
02:16:38,395 --> 02:16:42,285
once they tell us they've approved it, we can build it and we shouldn't

1846
02:16:42,605 --> 02:16:46,475
be able to proceed forward with our project until we've checked all the boxes with

1847
02:16:46,995 --> 02:16:50,925
vdot in that one. That's but to just, sorry to interrupt, but just to answer

1848
02:16:51,245 --> 02:16:55,085
your last question about the warranted and justified, what we

1849
02:16:55,285 --> 02:16:59,245
have encountered, and, and you all should, uh, are probably savvy to this, so forgive me,

1850
02:16:59,465 --> 02:17:03,185
but you can, um, convince, uh,

1851
02:17:03,665 --> 02:17:07,525
uh, vdot that, uh, a traffic signal is the appropriate traffic management

1852
02:17:08,085 --> 02:17:12,065
tool, whether it's a green tea or a conventional signal, or even a roundabout. You

1853
02:17:12,285 --> 02:17:16,225
can agree on what the right access management tool is

1854
02:17:17,265 --> 02:17:20,545
and, uh, and even the conceptual design for it. But

1855
02:17:21,995 --> 02:17:25,555
vdot will not permit you to actually install

1856
02:17:26,305 --> 02:17:29,765
the signal in their right of way that they control

1857
02:17:30,935 --> 02:17:34,705
until you meet warrants and justification, the

1858
02:17:35,025 --> 02:17:39,005
signal warrants and justification. So traffic has to, and, and this

1859
02:17:39,525 --> 02:17:43,485
manifests often in sort of a residential development context, where you've

1860
02:17:43,765 --> 02:17:47,625
got multi-phase development at the entrance to your subdivision. You

1861
02:17:47,845 --> 02:17:51,805
may, it may say you need a traffic signal someday down the road when you get

1862
02:17:51,965 --> 02:17:55,815
to a hundred homes or 200 homes. Well, those don't appear in the first year. Right?

1863
02:17:56,295 --> 02:17:59,865
those that may not even appear in the second year. So vdot will often say,

1864
02:18:00,985 --> 02:18:04,885
we are not, yeah, you, we know you need a signal there someday, but it's

1865
02:18:05,125 --> 02:18:09,005
not warranted yet, and we can't, we're not gonna let you build it yet. So the warranted

1866
02:18:09,485 --> 02:18:13,235
and justified is just to clarify that it's only when vdot

1867
02:18:13,525 --> 02:18:17,485
has deemed it warranted. Now, in this situation on route 17, with the volumes of

1868
02:18:17,645 --> 02:18:21,625
traffic, it's gonna be warranted. I'm, I feel certain before

1869
02:18:22,045 --> 02:18:25,925
we get our co you know, when we in connection with getting our certificate of occupancy. But that's,

1870
02:18:26,305 --> 02:18:30,125
that's the qualification. The reason for the qualification is 'cause

1871
02:18:31,315 --> 02:18:35,205
vdot may say, hey, look, traffic hasn't matured to the point, the volumes haven't

1872
02:18:35,485 --> 02:18:39,345
matured to the point where the signal is warranted yet. Okay? So

1873
02:18:40,745 --> 02:18:44,645
the way I way, okay, so is there a,

1874
02:18:44,795 --> 02:18:48,395
okay, would, can sheets do business without a signalize

1875
02:18:49,375 --> 02:18:53,105
light? I don't believe so. Um, I believe it

1876
02:18:53,385 --> 02:18:57,285
it that the traffic signal is necessary to accommodate the sheet's

1877
02:18:57,765 --> 02:19:01,635
traffic volumes. Really? So in, in subsequent dealing with

1878
02:19:01,925 --> 02:19:05,075
the county and in development of this project, it's

1879
02:19:05,995 --> 02:19:09,845
what we're hearing from you is that if, if vdot does

1880
02:19:10,045 --> 02:19:13,705
not give you, uh, a, a permission

1881
02:19:14,375 --> 02:19:18,245
to proceed with a light signaled light there, alright?

1882
02:19:18,795 --> 02:19:22,775
no business then there's no business. Is that what

1883
02:19:22,935 --> 02:19:26,855
we're hearing? Yes, sir. Okay. So he's gotta have a signaled light. Right. And the

1884
02:19:27,085 --> 02:19:31,045
two options, you, you guys are okay with is gonna be that green

1885
02:19:31,385 --> 02:19:34,405
tea thing or whatever you call it. And the other is just a standard light

1886
02:19:36,065 --> 02:19:39,765
one clarification, mr. Shepherd. I I, you know, at the end of the day,

1887
02:19:40,385 --> 02:19:44,375
um, you know, we, we are, we're very interested in bringing sheets to the marketplace, right?

1888
02:19:44,805 --> 02:19:48,805
I I, in, in all candor, we don't like the green tea. There's some

1889
02:19:49,365 --> 02:19:52,725
challenges with that, that, that, uh, so what do you like,

1890
02:19:53,505 --> 02:19:57,405
we like the conventional signal. I mean that what's represented throughout the

1891
02:19:57,725 --> 02:20:01,565
corridor, so they don't give it to, so how much pushback are you getting from vdot on that, that when you talk

1892
02:20:01,805 --> 02:20:03,965
to 'em about it a fair amount so far,

1893
02:20:06,025 --> 02:20:09,885
afraid they, they're very interested in the green tea. That was the point I was trying to make.

1894
02:20:10,185 --> 02:20:14,145
if, if, if vdot said, you are not gonna get that you

1895
02:20:14,365 --> 02:20:17,685
guys, are you still gonna move forward with the green tea? I guess that's the point. Maybe

1896
02:20:18,385 --> 02:20:21,045
she can answer that question. Yeah, that's the clarifi clarification.

1897
02:20:22,685 --> 02:20:26,465
that's, that's a clarification I'm trying to get for all of us on the board. If,

1898
02:20:26,825 --> 02:20:30,345
if the green teas you say, nope, it's unacceptable, we're moving on.

1899
02:20:31,145 --> 02:20:35,085
uh, or is the green tea going okay, if we have to do that, we'll do it just to get

1900
02:20:35,205 --> 02:20:39,025
this project done. Uh, good evening, karen mcpherson. Um, I would love to say

1901
02:20:39,285 --> 02:20:43,245
I have a crystal ball and every time I talk to vdot, um, it's a different

1902
02:20:43,525 --> 02:20:47,325
answer and a different question. Maybe not for this one. Um, I will acknowledge

1903
02:20:47,845 --> 02:20:51,805
that there was a comment letter and there were 19 comments. I think we're down

1904
02:20:51,945 --> 02:20:55,485
to three. We have been working with vdot and again, some of traffic

1905
02:20:56,365 --> 02:21:00,005
shocking is subjective. So when we come up to those subjective things,

1906
02:21:00,625 --> 02:21:04,605
we reach out, we gain consensus relative to

1907
02:21:04,805 --> 02:21:07,925
the green tea. It is another option. It's an innovative

1908
02:21:08,845 --> 02:21:12,845
solution that is the v vdot buzzword. Um, so when

1909
02:21:13,085 --> 02:21:17,065
we were talking to the detailed operational folks, we ask the

1910
02:21:17,485 --> 02:21:21,245
question because as you add a taper southbound, there's some other

1911
02:21:21,595 --> 02:21:25,365
constraints. There's the railroad crossing, there's another meeting crossover mm-hmm

1912
02:21:25,905 --> 02:21:29,825
so we've had conversations not only with the traffic folks now, but

1913
02:21:30,045 --> 02:21:33,905
we've brought the location and design the l and d folks to the table. So

1914
02:21:34,265 --> 02:21:38,195
we are getting very close to giving them data

1915
02:21:39,385 --> 02:21:43,045
so that among all of them they can come up with what is the ideal

1916
02:21:43,765 --> 02:21:47,705
solution. So the traditional traffic signal still checks all

1917
02:21:47,925 --> 02:21:51,125
the boxes. They've asked us very detailed, what's the level of service?

1918
02:21:51,985 --> 02:21:55,785
how am I impacting the green band? Because without a doubt, no

1919
02:21:56,005 --> 02:21:59,685
matter what signal we put here, it will be connected to fort eustis

1920
02:22:00,145 --> 02:22:04,125
and they will talk intelligently together. From the traffic perspective, we can

1921
02:22:04,285 --> 02:22:08,225
ask our commuters and everybody has a different opinion, but we will do our best to

1922
02:22:08,445 --> 02:22:12,015
coordinate them and communicate with them. As far as the green

1923
02:22:12,465 --> 02:22:16,245
tea, we've still got some data that we need to give to the operational

1924
02:22:17,345 --> 02:22:20,885
and the location and design, and it has some challenges

1925
02:22:21,605 --> 02:22:25,345
relative to weaving a trap lane with the adjacent one. So

1926
02:22:25,735 --> 02:22:29,405
we're getting close, um, but we're still communicating quite

1927
02:22:29,965 --> 02:22:33,285
frequently with the department. I think the challenge is the, the minimum

1928
02:22:34,085 --> 02:22:38,005
distance of 2,600 feet as opposed to a thousand. I think that's gonna

1929
02:22:38,125 --> 02:22:41,835
be your biggest challenge there. But I'm not vdot. So the access request

1930
02:22:42,545 --> 02:22:46,355
for the access modification for the signal request, the quarter mile

1931
02:22:46,965 --> 02:22:50,685
spacing for a signal that is a huge spacing.

1932
02:22:51,145 --> 02:22:55,125
um, very rarely do you have that. So we were, we, we feel comfortable

1933
02:22:55,645 --> 02:22:59,155
that we can show that it will not have a, a huge

1934
02:22:59,825 --> 02:23:03,685
impact relative to the overall progression. Again, if you look at

1935
02:23:03,955 --> 02:23:07,585
fort eustis in 17, that is the critical intersection. Mm-hmm

1936
02:23:08,045 --> 02:23:11,275
. We are shifting a significant amount of traffic turning left

1937
02:23:12,115 --> 02:23:15,765
from that. If we leave only one access point, not only the public,

1938
02:23:16,145 --> 02:23:20,105
but the sheets, the rbs, everybody coming out

1939
02:23:20,505 --> 02:23:24,195
of that development at full build out 20 years from now will

1940
02:23:24,515 --> 02:23:28,485
want to come out of that intersection to make a left. We have to give it green

1941
02:23:28,765 --> 02:23:32,765
time, which means people commuting on fort ti boulevard will have

1942
02:23:32,885 --> 02:23:36,865
less green time. So if we can give that shopping center traffic another way out,

1943
02:23:37,955 --> 02:23:41,565
that that green time that they need can go to

1944
02:23:41,965 --> 02:23:45,965
17, can go to george washington highway, can go to fort east. So there is a

1945
02:23:46,085 --> 02:23:49,925
balance relative to how we share green time

1946
02:23:50,125 --> 02:23:53,965
during a peak hour. That is tremendously beneficial to give people two ways

1947
02:23:54,225 --> 02:23:58,135
out of a fully developed commercial development. So again,

1948
02:23:58,495 --> 02:24:01,705
we're working through all those details. They've asked us for

1949
02:24:02,545 --> 02:24:04,585
am and pm, you know, 20 30, 20 36.

1950
02:24:06,625 --> 02:24:10,525
so we'll try to give you the highlights next time. Um, well, I mean, I wish

1951
02:24:10,675 --> 02:24:14,575
we'd have known that you cleared all of 'em up at three. Okay. When I look at that, I'm close.

1952
02:24:15,535 --> 02:24:19,365
we're 19, 20 in, right? And you're telling us now that you've cleared 'em all, but three,

1953
02:24:19,595 --> 02:24:23,575
that would've been good information to know upfront and not at the tail end. But don't, don't

1954
02:24:23,925 --> 02:24:27,755
you through the thing. In that scenario, will

1955
02:24:28,045 --> 02:24:32,045
you come back to mr. Uh, shepherd mr. Shepherd's questions?

1956
02:24:32,475 --> 02:24:36,265
sure. I think he was sure. I'll trying to, I'm trying to get to,

1957
02:24:36,705 --> 02:24:40,605
that's why I was trying to get to what you were talking about to understand this, uh, because

1958
02:24:41,385 --> 02:24:45,155
the way I, I mean I want the company to understand that,

1959
02:24:46,625 --> 02:24:49,995
at least from my perspective, I'm leaning forward here trying to make this happen. Okay?

1960
02:24:51,045 --> 02:24:54,835
I want it to happen. Now, if we have to get involved with

1961
02:24:55,475 --> 02:24:59,025
vdot, we can get in, we can do that. Alright? And that's, that's,

1962
02:25:00,515 --> 02:25:04,115
believe me, we can do that. So the point I've got here though is what

1963
02:25:04,555 --> 02:25:08,005
benefit or what happens here if we delay this?

1964
02:25:08,635 --> 02:25:12,195
okay? I am not to you come back with an answer, alright?

1965
02:25:12,685 --> 02:25:16,275
because it doesn't, because it doesn't sound like to me, based upon this

1966
02:25:16,875 --> 02:25:20,705
proffer here that you're not, you're not, you're not getting out

1967
02:25:20,925 --> 02:25:24,835
of anything. I mean, you're, you're being, you're being held,

1968
02:25:25,125 --> 02:25:29,125
your feet's being held to the fire because your company, your client is not

1969
02:25:29,285 --> 02:25:33,125
gonna build there unless he gets that's right. He gets the intersection right. That's

1970
02:25:33,545 --> 02:25:37,485
and we want the intersection. That's what I need to know. That's correct. Correct. I mean, I can't understand

1971
02:25:37,845 --> 02:25:41,645
why we would not want that because we want the business there and it's gonna generate revenue,

1972
02:25:42,825 --> 02:25:46,465
um, for the county and, and it'll be a good thing for all the people around

1973
02:25:46,885 --> 02:25:50,885
that area can be able to go there and shop and, and, uh, I dunno, is there a restaurant in

1974
02:25:51,085 --> 02:25:55,065
this thing? Yes sir. It does have prepared food yes. Inside of a sheet. Yes sir.

1975
02:25:55,285 --> 02:25:59,285
so, alright, so I'm just trying to understand if there's, if if we were to

1976
02:25:59,605 --> 02:26:03,365
hold back on approval here, what's gonna be gained and not,

1977
02:26:03,785 --> 02:26:07,605
not much on our understanding other than maybe vdot might come around and finish your last

1978
02:26:07,805 --> 02:26:11,185
three bullets. Other than we might give them more pressure to

1979
02:26:11,875 --> 02:26:15,505
give who pressure you think vdo t's have pressure? No, you kidding me, ? No,

1980
02:26:15,885 --> 02:26:19,805
I gotta go call up. You said you could work it. Well I, I've been known to

1981
02:26:19,965 --> 02:26:23,525
do that, so, so I'm just trying to understand

1982
02:26:23,995 --> 02:26:27,805
what benefit do we get from that? I'm just wondering whether the proffer can be changed

1983
02:26:28,115 --> 02:26:32,035
such that it's a condition of final opening that

1984
02:26:32,325 --> 02:26:36,325
that traffic light be installed. It does it. Well, it's, I've already, they've already said that they're

1985
02:26:36,605 --> 02:26:40,465
not gonna have the business here unless they get it and it says that, well, no, it doesn't say that. It

1986
02:26:40,685 --> 02:26:44,435
says if if vdot does not proceed with a light, then, then

1987
02:26:44,725 --> 02:26:48,245
we're stuck. But we still have a sheets to operate. I, I prefer to see no, no.

1988
02:26:48,755 --> 02:26:52,705
well let that mean. Yeah, we, you're right. Unless it's laid down in our, in

1989
02:26:52,925 --> 02:26:56,515
our, if they can't reach agreement, if they're still waffling between options,

1990
02:26:57,985 --> 02:27:01,445
we end up with a sheets that's ready to go and no traffic light. That's my concern.

1991
02:27:02,685 --> 02:27:06,565
I wanna see. I don't, I want see a solution. We are happy to, let me, let

1992
02:27:06,725 --> 02:27:10,545
me finish the questions here. Yes, sir. So it goes to this point of, of,

1993
02:27:11,265 --> 02:27:15,125
you know, the, the horse, the cart, whatever you wanna call it. We need to have

1994
02:27:15,325 --> 02:27:19,325
something in here that says, or some modification that says that, yeah, you're

1995
02:27:19,645 --> 02:27:23,405
not gonna do this without the intersection. Understood. So why go build and invest money

1996
02:27:23,755 --> 02:27:27,585
into it if you're not gonna get the intersection? So you're gonna have to get the intersection before

1997
02:27:28,005 --> 02:27:31,725
you start building. So, well, to answer your question,

1998
02:27:32,475 --> 02:27:36,195
what, uh, is accomplished with a deferral and, and obviously

1999
02:27:37,135 --> 02:27:40,725
we're biased in favor of, of time and, and money and the expense

2000
02:27:41,145 --> 02:27:44,925
and, and progress with the site. Um, the delay costs

2001
02:27:45,225 --> 02:27:49,005
us, it, it puts out the timeline for the development of the sheets. It slows down candidly

2002
02:27:49,565 --> 02:27:53,565
the public's timeline as well because those two sites develop the

2003
02:27:54,165 --> 02:27:57,745
construction of both those sites are, are, we had hoped to be coordinated, um,

2004
02:27:58,185 --> 02:28:01,925
and, and and jointly funded in many ways. And so that, that will create complications

2005
02:28:02,785 --> 02:28:06,405
for the overall project. Um, we, and I don't know

2006
02:28:07,045 --> 02:28:10,485
honestly that, that a lot of certainty will, will be gained.

2007
02:28:11,225 --> 02:28:14,845
um, you know, for the county. We, we happy to make,

2008
02:28:15,265 --> 02:28:19,045
uh, an amendment to the proffers to, uh, to provide greater

2009
02:28:19,405 --> 02:28:23,265
clarity. Uh, you know that around what what we've said and

2010
02:28:23,485 --> 02:28:26,755
what you've said, which is no sheets, no co without

2011
02:28:27,785 --> 02:28:30,995
the, the intersection being, you know, a vdot approved signalization

2012
02:28:31,905 --> 02:28:35,635
of that intersection. I've got all the head knots. There be no intersection, no, no starting land

2013
02:28:35,925 --> 02:28:39,865
clearing or anything until you get the approval from vdot for the intersection. Yes,

2014
02:28:40,085 --> 02:28:44,045
sir. And one way to do that for, for whatever it's worth. And, and there, there may

2015
02:28:44,205 --> 02:28:48,105
be multiple, and I'll give, uh, credit to staff for this. Um, it,

2016
02:28:48,505 --> 02:28:52,405
it would be through the sup conditions. You know, the, the c store with gas station

2017
02:28:52,725 --> 02:28:56,585
requires an sup, the rezoning, it's already zoned gb uh, the

2018
02:28:56,965 --> 02:29:00,885
rezoning from general business to general business with proffers was just to deal with

2019
02:29:01,045 --> 02:29:04,825
the watershed management protection overlay. Otherwise, we would only be here for

2020
02:29:05,085 --> 02:29:09,005
a conditional use permit. There wouldn't be any proffers. Um, all of this would be

2021
02:29:09,125 --> 02:29:12,965
addressed through the cup as I said. I think as a a matter if this were a buy right use,

2022
02:29:13,285 --> 02:29:17,285
I think you, you still have this authority 'cause it's an onsite improvement mm-hmm

2023
02:29:17,645 --> 02:29:21,605
. Or quasi onsite improvement. But it could, with for absolute certainty, you all

2024
02:29:21,815 --> 02:29:25,365
could add tonight a cup condition that says

2025
02:29:26,035 --> 02:29:29,825
just what you want it to say. Just what you would, you know, wish the proffer to say, I'm

2026
02:29:30,045 --> 02:29:33,965
sorry, it wasn't more, more clear. We're lawyers, you know, clarity is not always our virtue.

2027
02:29:34,465 --> 02:29:38,445
so forgive me. So, so I mean, I, and I think that if you give us some

2028
02:29:38,605 --> 02:29:42,565
words, we can put it in there to improper or the sup to make

2029
02:29:42,765 --> 02:29:44,965
it very clear that without the intersection

2030
02:29:46,845 --> 02:29:50,645
approval first, you're not gonna start doing anything else. Yes, sir. It would be that,

2031
02:29:51,185 --> 02:29:54,865
uh, issuance of a certificate of occupancy for the

2032
02:29:55,285 --> 02:29:59,005
convenience store with gas station would be conditioned upon approval,

2033
02:29:59,745 --> 02:30:02,205
uh, of a signaled intersection.

2034
02:30:04,265 --> 02:30:08,195
um, and, uh, the yeah, yeah,

2035
02:30:08,355 --> 02:30:12,185
yeah. Okay. Names please. John schwartz.

2036
02:30:13,115 --> 02:30:16,895
redstone properties 1501 west cleveland, tampa, florida. Um,

2037
02:30:17,775 --> 02:30:21,735
not to correct you no, do, go ahead. It's your, your wallet, sir. You're

2038
02:30:22,155 --> 02:30:26,035
you're in the camera. . What, what we please move

2039
02:30:26,235 --> 02:30:30,055
to the mic. Oh, sorry. Um, we wouldn't, we

2040
02:30:30,275 --> 02:30:34,015
would proffer that we wouldn't start construction. It would be no permit

2041
02:30:34,455 --> 02:30:38,095
issued, however it is, unless the traffic signal was approved, not just co

2042
02:30:38,895 --> 02:30:42,555
we, we wouldn't, we wouldn't wanna start the store. You wouldn't want us to start the store

2043
02:30:43,095 --> 02:30:46,915
if we didn't have a traffic signal approval. And, and the reason why

2044
02:30:47,495 --> 02:30:51,415
we, we've asked the proffer is to be written this way is

2045
02:30:51,635 --> 02:30:55,595
because we're just trying this, this store has been taking a long time to get out of the

2046
02:30:55,675 --> 02:30:59,425
ground. The publix, the whole shopping center and sheets is a vital part

2047
02:30:59,715 --> 02:31:03,675
of the development. And we're just trying to move things along and get it done. We would love to be able

2048
02:31:03,875 --> 02:31:07,875
to start construction on this entire project, if possible,

2049
02:31:08,415 --> 02:31:12,315
um, by march. Um, I don't think we'll have the vdot approvals

2050
02:31:12,595 --> 02:31:16,215
by that time. Um, but certainly by september we could start anyway.

2051
02:31:16,645 --> 02:31:20,625
we're trying to get things moving as soon as possible and this will allow us to

2052
02:31:21,085 --> 02:31:24,925
continue with our traffic engineers and, uh, and our deal with sheets

2053
02:31:25,265 --> 02:31:29,185
and their, and their process so we can get the vdot approval and,

2054
02:31:29,465 --> 02:31:33,005
and get to construction. That's why we're trying to get it done this way instead of waiting

2055
02:31:33,555 --> 02:31:37,375
till we have a definitive answer from vdot. I hope that answers

2056
02:31:37,575 --> 02:31:41,555
your question. Well, it does. I'm, I'm comfortable the fact that if, if the,

2057
02:31:41,875 --> 02:31:45,655
the big issue here with this board has to be that intersection.

2058
02:31:46,805 --> 02:31:50,715
yeah. We don't want you clearing the land or doing don't, I mean, that would be kind of stupid to

2059
02:31:50,935 --> 02:31:54,415
invest and do that and then not have a store so long as the wording

2060
02:31:54,955 --> 02:31:58,735
to that says something to that effect. Now we can we do that on the spot here.

2061
02:31:59,515 --> 02:32:02,875
um, but I'm okay with it at that point. Mr. Schwartz

2062
02:32:03,575 --> 02:32:07,205
speaks to a very important issue, right? That you know that about the approval from

2063
02:32:07,835 --> 02:32:11,815
vdo, sorry, mr. Schwartz. Mr. Schwartz. Yes. Yes, mr. Schwartz. I did say that.

2064
02:32:12,325 --> 02:32:15,925
okay. Got that. Uh, uh, the approval from vdot

2065
02:32:16,385 --> 02:32:20,385
would be a condition sounds like to, uh, site plan approval, right.

2066
02:32:21,155 --> 02:32:24,995
um, of the intersection design. What I was speaking of, and

2067
02:32:25,255 --> 02:32:28,855
I I didn't make it clear, was the actual installation of the signal.

2068
02:32:29,305 --> 02:32:32,775
right. You, you know, you're not going to build the signal before you get your site plan

2069
02:32:33,375 --> 02:32:37,035
approval. So, you know, I think what mr. Schwartz is saying is con,

2070
02:32:37,435 --> 02:32:40,885
the, the cup condition could read subject

2071
02:32:41,475 --> 02:32:45,255
to greater mines assembled that the site plan

2072
02:32:45,775 --> 02:32:49,415
approval for the convenience for a convenience store with gas station on the property

2073
02:32:49,905 --> 02:32:53,575
would be conditioned upon vdot approval of a signaled

2074
02:32:54,055 --> 02:32:58,015
intersection. Not necessarily the installation of the light, just the approval

2075
02:32:58,395 --> 02:33:02,185
of the light. Right. But you all, uh, also wanna make sure it gets built right.

2076
02:33:02,535 --> 02:33:06,215
right, right. So the second, so what I was addressing,

2077
02:33:06,735 --> 02:33:10,365
I had jumped ahead, sorry, I had jumped ahead to the secondary sort

2078
02:33:10,855 --> 02:33:14,245
of concern, which is that a certificate of occupancy

2079
02:33:15,065 --> 02:33:18,975
would not be issued until the signal is constructed or bonded building it. If

2080
02:33:19,135 --> 02:33:23,115
you don't have the signal, ma'am, you're not building it if you don't have the signal. So

2081
02:33:23,355 --> 02:33:27,055
why the certificate of occupancy, mr. Chairman? Because you would want

2082
02:33:27,475 --> 02:33:31,185
the construction of the signal to occur while the building's being built. Right.

2083
02:33:31,715 --> 02:33:35,475
you want them, but provided you, you've got feet up. Right, right. Approval. That's

2084
02:33:35,895 --> 02:33:39,895
the first part. I'm sorry, I'm not, um, I'm not sort of giving you the time. Let me back up and start

2085
02:33:40,095 --> 02:33:43,935
over. Yes, please. So the, the timeline not, I was trying to write cup

2086
02:33:44,615 --> 02:33:48,515
language conditions while we were on the fly, but just the timeline, maybe just in,

2087
02:33:48,755 --> 02:33:52,695
in, in colloquial speak. So we would not seek building

2088
02:33:53,125 --> 02:33:56,965
site plan approval. You can't get a building permit until you get site plan approval. So no site plan

2089
02:33:57,495 --> 02:34:01,415
approval, right, right. Until we have vdot approval of the signal.

2090
02:34:01,575 --> 02:34:05,455
correct. Right. Just the technical access management approval, signal justification,

2091
02:34:06,575 --> 02:34:10,495
whatever beat out approval. You copying this down, earl? So, mr. Chairman, if I may, mr.

2092
02:34:10,955 --> 02:34:14,255
yes, please. ? Uh, I, I generally

2093
02:34:15,145 --> 02:34:19,145
agree and accept mr. Trance representation on behalf of his client that the

2094
02:34:19,365 --> 02:34:21,855
zoning conditions would

2095
02:34:23,595 --> 02:34:27,365
require the, um, construction of an intersection.

2096
02:34:27,985 --> 02:34:31,765
but I also think that at his, the representations that they've

2097
02:34:32,005 --> 02:34:35,645
given today would be part of the record and represent

2098
02:34:36,305 --> 02:34:40,085
any attempt to, uh, clear up an ambiguity. Having said that,

2099
02:34:40,685 --> 02:34:44,525
I also think he, the, the path forward that he's presenting would be

2100
02:34:44,805 --> 02:34:48,285
a way of doing it, which would be to add a paragraph

2101
02:34:49,035 --> 02:34:52,445
four. And when he says cpis, you're referring to the special use permit

2102
02:34:54,725 --> 02:34:58,525
resolution granting the sup? Yes, sir. I would recommend, uh, adding

2103
02:34:59,165 --> 02:35:02,835
a paragraph four and renumbering

2104
02:35:03,525 --> 02:35:07,435
paragraph four to b five and making paragraph four, read that,

2105
02:35:08,265 --> 02:35:11,745
uh, approval by the virginia department of transportation of

2106
02:35:12,405 --> 02:35:16,155
a signaled intersection in accordance with

2107
02:35:17,665 --> 02:35:21,565
the, um, conditional zoning is a, is

2108
02:35:22,345 --> 02:35:26,295
required prior to site plan approval. Okay, that makes sense. Makes

2109
02:35:26,645 --> 02:35:30,645
sense to me. Yep. Okay. And if, if that would be a, I mean that I think

2110
02:35:31,005 --> 02:35:34,805
would accomplish what, and one last real quick question for you. So when, when

2111
02:35:35,045 --> 02:35:38,835
we do this wording here, we're not gonna end up permanently putting

2112
02:35:39,485 --> 02:35:43,015
a signalize requirement onto that property? No. Right.

2113
02:35:44,305 --> 02:35:48,205
it is a requirement of the special use permit for his, for his business use for the special

2114
02:35:48,345 --> 02:35:52,265
use permit, but not for the property. If it's not sold, he doesn't buy it. If

2115
02:35:52,485 --> 02:35:56,425
he doesn't, if they don't establish their use within the required period of time, it

2116
02:35:56,645 --> 02:36:00,625
would, it would be extinguish just revert back to regular no, the zoning, the

2117
02:36:00,845 --> 02:36:04,605
zoning's another matter. But again, I, I think that it would,

2118
02:36:04,945 --> 02:36:08,845
if you address it in the special use permit process, it would

2119
02:36:08,965 --> 02:36:12,905
handle I think all the concerns and it would, it would enable us to

2120
02:36:13,125 --> 02:36:16,945
make sure that it's done prior to any

2121
02:36:17,525 --> 02:36:20,965
construction. Okay. I'm good. Thanks. I had one further

2122
02:36:21,685 --> 02:36:25,095
question. It's finally my turn. It, um, I'm still concerned about

2123
02:36:26,565 --> 02:36:30,355
transport trucks coming into fuel op. And how do we stop that? Uh, the islands

2124
02:36:30,845 --> 02:36:34,465
are high enough that they could do it, and I think they're 17 foot high and

2125
02:36:35,485 --> 02:36:38,445
transport trucks run about 14 foot high so they could get under the canopies.

2126
02:36:39,625 --> 02:36:42,945
um, I'm, I'm concerned that there needs to be something in the

2127
02:36:44,445 --> 02:36:48,325
resolution that states that this is not prohibited as part

2128
02:36:48,525 --> 02:36:51,365
of this, um, um, sheets development.

2129
02:36:52,785 --> 02:36:56,785
mr. Cado with, uh, sheets can speak to that. Good evening. Todd cado, uh,

2130
02:36:57,005 --> 02:37:00,805
sheets incorporated. Senior real estate market manager. Um, so this site,

2131
02:37:01,045 --> 02:37:04,845
we will offer auto diesel at the pumps, which, um, but we will not

2132
02:37:05,095 --> 02:37:08,985
offer high flow diesel. We're glad to put that in a proffer. Um,

2133
02:37:09,205 --> 02:37:12,825
which is what a large tanker would use a high flow diesel. And we have no,

2134
02:37:13,265 --> 02:37:16,725
um, commercial diesel parks on this property either.

2135
02:37:17,505 --> 02:37:21,425
um, that's not something we can restrict. Like sometimes we'll park 'em along the curb, but

2136
02:37:21,645 --> 02:37:25,645
we will need delivery. So we'll have our delivery trucks on our lot. So we do need to make space

2137
02:37:25,885 --> 02:37:29,385
for them. Um, so naturally sometimes that space may get filled by

2138
02:37:30,205 --> 02:37:34,165
a truck, but we definitely aren't inviting or welcoming to those,

2139
02:37:34,285 --> 02:37:38,125
especially this thing. I think what you've suggested, which is to proffer that you would not,

2140
02:37:38,345 --> 02:37:41,085
uh, stock high flow diesel would be sufficient. Thank you.

2141
02:37:43,105 --> 02:37:46,825
and I would just one qualification, mr. Horwood, uh, which mr.

2142
02:37:47,265 --> 02:37:51,045
uh, uh, hill would probably catch anyway. That would probably be a cup

2143
02:37:51,525 --> 02:37:55,245
condition as opposed to a proffer or an sup

2144
02:37:55,645 --> 02:37:59,485
condition as opposed to a prof. We've got both here. I know I, I've complicated things with

2145
02:37:59,765 --> 02:38:03,485
a rezoning and a special use permit, but that would be a, a special use permit condition,

2146
02:38:04,045 --> 02:38:07,965
which we could add to the resolution that no high flow diesel would be

2147
02:38:08,395 --> 02:38:12,325
offered. Okay. At this point, I will

2148
02:38:12,565 --> 02:38:14,565
call on any other citizens who wish to speak.

2149
02:38:17,265 --> 02:38:21,145
seeing none, I will close the public hearing and

2150
02:38:21,425 --> 02:38:25,365
any board discussion that we haven't already had? I dunno.

2151
02:38:26,175 --> 02:38:30,085
don't we're gonna ask you. We have the two reso, uh, ordinance and a resolution. Is that what,

2152
02:38:30,245 --> 02:38:34,105
what we've got here? We've got a revision, we have a revision for,

2153
02:38:36,345 --> 02:38:37,965
and we now have a further revision that

2154
02:38:40,585 --> 02:38:44,445
are we, so which, which one goes, which one goes on? Which, well, I, I think, I think the question is

2155
02:38:44,605 --> 02:38:48,445
do we proceed with this or do we, or do we ask for continuance of

2156
02:38:48,645 --> 02:38:52,625
the meeting? No, we, we do. We we do it now. Don't think continuance is

2157
02:38:53,085 --> 02:38:56,995
required. If we're covered with, with, with the, with the amendments, I think we can move

2158
02:38:57,285 --> 02:39:01,285
forward. All we'll, can I proceed with the, proceed with the motion? With the motion? So which one

2159
02:39:01,425 --> 02:39:04,045
has the r the the resident, the sup.

2160
02:39:05,475 --> 02:39:09,445
well, I mean, which one? I mean, there's an ordinance in that then there's a resolution. So which

2161
02:39:09,605 --> 02:39:13,125
one gets the r or both of them? The r will go on the resolution.

2162
02:39:13,835 --> 02:39:16,855
okay. Because that's the special use permit. Permit. But you have to approve the ordinance first.

2163
02:39:18,235 --> 02:39:22,005
okay. Well, or shown here, you got the, so approve the ordinance first and it does not have an r.

2164
02:39:22,355 --> 02:39:25,625
correct. Okay, so I move ordinance 26

2165
02:39:26,475 --> 02:39:30,035
dash one move.

2166
02:39:31,025 --> 02:39:34,835
so move, roll call. The motion made by mrs. Noll

2167
02:39:35,185 --> 02:39:39,005
is to adopt proposed ordinance 26 dash one to approve

2168
02:39:39,365 --> 02:39:43,345
the application as submitted. Mrs. Noll? Yes. Mr.

2169
02:39:43,855 --> 02:39:47,345
drury? Yes. Mr. Roh? Yes. Mr. Shepherd. Yes.

2170
02:39:48,025 --> 02:39:52,005
mr. Horo? Yes. Motion carried. So now we gotta move.

2171
02:39:52,745 --> 02:39:56,545
now we have the, we have r 26 dash five r. No,

2172
02:39:56,785 --> 02:40:00,595
25 or 26. 26 dash six dash read.

2173
02:40:00,885 --> 02:40:04,795
didn't have the number here, is it? Is it, they're r 26 dash

2174
02:40:05,115 --> 02:40:08,885
five rr 26 dash five. That six r 26 dash five rr?

2175
02:40:09,345 --> 02:40:13,165
yes. Okay. R 26 dash. Can we, it's moving it, can we list what

2176
02:40:13,445 --> 02:40:17,085
those conditions are under the r because there's been several

2177
02:40:17,885 --> 02:40:20,955
captured on the they're gonna oh, okay.

2178
02:40:22,565 --> 02:40:26,425
I thought that's what, uh, all right. So what I have, we'll start with the easy one. No

2179
02:40:26,715 --> 02:40:29,505
high flow diesel allowed. Um,

2180
02:40:32,345 --> 02:40:36,125
and we didn't, you didn't talk about it as a group, but mr. Horo had brought

2181
02:40:36,405 --> 02:40:40,225
up the, um, sewer connection. Yep. Mm-hmm . You

2182
02:40:40,445 --> 02:40:43,965
want to have that be a requirement at the,

2183
02:40:44,585 --> 02:40:47,745
how do you want to list that? It's a condition of,

2184
02:40:49,385 --> 02:40:53,045
of acceptance that construction on the sheets

2185
02:40:53,545 --> 02:40:57,365
begins. Once the sewer is established. I'm, I'm concerned that the,

2186
02:40:58,105 --> 02:41:01,745
the public is further delayed and it's two years more late. And,

2187
02:41:02,225 --> 02:41:04,785
and you want sheets going ahead, but there's no sewer, so

2188
02:41:06,785 --> 02:41:10,605
has to be tied. I, let me, let me bring their engineer

2189
02:41:10,805 --> 02:41:13,045
up here just to make sure we have the right wording.

2190
02:41:15,905 --> 02:41:19,785
so I'm henry sells with tenants group, um, virginia beach. So

2191
02:41:20,425 --> 02:41:24,185
how I would handle that, if you wanted to add that, would be make the

2192
02:41:25,505 --> 02:41:29,485
co a condition of connection to the sewer at the rear

2193
02:41:29,685 --> 02:41:33,435
of the property through the yorktown crescent development. Okay.

2194
02:41:34,115 --> 02:41:38,105
because that, that would keep you connecting the sheets to that

2195
02:41:38,305 --> 02:41:42,105
instead of anything out on route 17 and all that. Which raises the question.

2196
02:41:42,615 --> 02:41:46,545
yeah. So, so we're connecting to a pump

2197
02:41:46,745 --> 02:41:50,745
station somewhere here. So when, when publix gets built, are they gonna need now create

2198
02:41:51,145 --> 02:41:55,145
a new pump station? No, the, the sewer generation from all of

2199
02:41:55,265 --> 02:41:59,145
these sites has already been run through. Already run through. Okay. Yep. Alright. So you

2200
02:41:59,305 --> 02:42:02,905
wouldn't be held up by the yorktown crescent development

2201
02:42:04,205 --> 02:42:08,085
in any way. The yorktown crescent development provides, uh,

2202
02:42:09,085 --> 02:42:13,025
the sewer, the water, and the storm water. Yeah. So if that,

2203
02:42:13,325 --> 02:42:17,165
if that doesn't move forward, the sheets couldn't move forward. But that is

2204
02:42:17,415 --> 02:42:21,185
also the developer building. The publix is also

2205
02:42:21,475 --> 02:42:25,405
doing the sheet steel. So if one doesn't move forward, the other one, or

2206
02:42:25,645 --> 02:42:29,535
if publix does not move forward, the sheets does not move forward either. Yeah,

2207
02:42:30,005 --> 02:42:33,865
but not the other way around. I'm just concerned that yorktown crescent has drugged their feet on a lot

2208
02:42:34,405 --> 02:42:37,185
for a long time of getting their stuff done.

2209
02:42:39,845 --> 02:42:43,785
the capacity. Yeah. So the, the capacity's there. And when it

2210
02:42:43,945 --> 02:42:47,825
comes to the yorktown crescent development, we're in final stages of site plan approval and they're

2211
02:42:48,065 --> 02:42:52,065
looking to move forward as soon as possible. Well, they told us that three years

2212
02:42:52,285 --> 02:42:56,265
ago. Yeah. So, so before you guys came along, I, yeah, I would like

2213
02:42:56,425 --> 02:42:59,855
to make the distinction that the yorktown crescent is not the developer currently

2214
02:43:00,995 --> 02:43:04,905
doing this. It's redstone. So redstone is who's pushing the cart

2215
02:43:05,065 --> 02:43:08,945
here at this point. And they're much more gung-ho about getting moved forward.

2216
02:43:09,945 --> 02:43:13,845
I hope so. Yeah. And, and you and you, and you want this condition based upon

2217
02:43:14,085 --> 02:43:17,665
the co yeah, I I think it makes sense to base it upon the co

2218
02:43:18,745 --> 02:43:22,405
so that, uh, construction can continue mm-hmm . On both projects

2219
02:43:22,845 --> 02:43:25,965
as quickly as possible. Yeah, I agree. Well, yeah, but what would you connect to before,

2220
02:43:29,165 --> 02:43:33,075
again caught before the horse? If, if, if the sewer's not there. Port of

2221
02:43:33,235 --> 02:43:37,225
john's . Yeah. All right. I'll let the engineers handle it. Okay.

2222
02:43:41,135 --> 02:43:44,835
you out of order. . Alright, so I'm gonna write that one

2223
02:43:45,215 --> 02:43:48,995
as, um, sewer has to be extended

2224
02:43:49,295 --> 02:43:53,295
to the rear of the site before the co can be issued for the sheets or

2225
02:43:54,135 --> 02:43:57,715
for the sheets, right? That's what we said for the sheets. All right. And then

2226
02:43:58,255 --> 02:44:01,865
the last one, the third one, the big one. Um, vdot

2227
02:44:02,275 --> 02:44:05,275
approval was required for the lighted intersection,

2228
02:44:07,095 --> 02:44:10,695
uh, before site plan approval can be given intersection. Mm-hmm

2229
02:44:11,155 --> 02:44:15,035
. Were we taking that the additional level with the co or we just

2230
02:44:15,195 --> 02:44:18,305
leaving? We're just leaving it. Okay.

2231
02:44:19,285 --> 02:44:22,275
sorry tim. The site plan would dictate

2232
02:44:23,995 --> 02:44:27,885
a signal on there if approved. So their

2233
02:44:28,235 --> 02:44:31,715
next, they would've to build it, right? Their next step after site plan approval would be land disturbing.

2234
02:44:32,425 --> 02:44:36,195
okay. So that, that would keep them from clearing any trees or anything like that.

2235
02:44:36,655 --> 02:44:40,655
and that was, you know, what mr. Shepherd was talking about. The final one, earl, was the townhouse, uh,

2236
02:44:40,875 --> 02:44:44,795
proximity. Is there anything required for that setback in term

2237
02:44:45,015 --> 02:44:48,715
the setback for the townhouse? Townhouse number five, the row of apartments.

2238
02:44:49,055 --> 02:44:52,985
oh, that's, that's the apartments. Yeah, that's, uh, those a hundred apartments that were

2239
02:44:53,515 --> 02:44:57,185
proposed in the original master plan. Yes, it does have a 50 foot buffer between

2240
02:44:57,675 --> 02:45:01,675
it. It's very hard to see on the conceptual plan, but when you dig into there, you can,

2241
02:45:01,795 --> 02:45:05,065
it is there now no one has come forward with the apartment development

2242
02:45:05,855 --> 02:45:09,465
at this point, and I don't know that much has been done with the church site

2243
02:45:09,885 --> 02:45:13,875
where that's where that would go. Um, the property is pretty wide 'cause it's where

2244
02:45:13,995 --> 02:45:17,885
the church is kind of sitting right now. Okay. So it's not been previously approved. It's not part of this. Right.

2245
02:45:18,235 --> 02:45:22,115
and they would have to admit they would have to comply with all the setbacks.

2246
02:45:22,785 --> 02:45:26,715
this, this, the setbacks and performance standards for right. The pdr that they've

2247
02:45:27,075 --> 02:45:30,955
already got required, which is not tied to this project. Thank you. Right. You're welcome. Did that got

2248
02:45:31,115 --> 02:45:35,035
all three, right? Yep. Yes. Okay. I'd like to

2249
02:45:35,155 --> 02:45:37,435
move r 26 dash five r.

2250
02:45:40,975 --> 02:45:44,895
so moved. Roll call. The motion made by mr. Drury is

2251
02:45:45,115 --> 02:45:49,105
to adopt proposed resolution r 26 dash

2252
02:45:49,585 --> 02:45:52,945
five r to approve the application as amended.

2253
02:45:53,855 --> 02:45:57,815
mr. Drury? Yes. Mr. Roh? Yes. Mr. Shepherd? Yes.

2254
02:45:58,655 --> 02:46:01,675
mrs. Noel? Yes. Mr. Horo? Yes. Motion carried.

2255
02:46:03,715 --> 02:46:06,515
I was like pulling a kidney stone. .

2256
02:46:07,995 --> 02:46:11,885
I was gonna say pull teeth, but that's okay. I don't know. I don't agree with that. I've had

2257
02:46:12,105 --> 02:46:16,035
two of those. I have, yeah. I'm gonna push the spaghetti the next, uh, application.

2258
02:46:16,735 --> 02:46:19,605
thank you. Thank you gentlemen. Looking forward to it. And ladies,

2259
02:46:21,555 --> 02:46:25,405
application for an amendment to the york county zoning ordinance regarding the use

2260
02:46:25,565 --> 02:46:28,965
of theft deterrent wire. Again, call on madison.

2261
02:46:29,665 --> 02:46:33,325
yes, it's your lucky night. It is. Um, thankfully I was able to get this presentation

2262
02:46:33,845 --> 02:46:37,405
down to just five minutes, so hopefully we can get through it. .

2263
02:46:39,565 --> 02:46:43,205
alrighty. So this application

2264
02:46:44,065 --> 02:46:48,025
is to consider amendments to the york county zoning ordinance within sections 1 0 4 2 7 1

2265
02:46:49,825 --> 02:46:53,805
and 2 7 2 for the use of theft deterrent wire. To quickly

2266
02:46:54,115 --> 02:46:56,205
give, um, some background for this application,

2267
02:46:58,775 --> 02:47:02,405
first, staff look to see what the york county code says about theft deterrent wire.

2268
02:47:03,945 --> 02:47:07,765
the code currently prohibits the use of barbed wire or electrified wire, or similar

2269
02:47:08,075 --> 02:47:11,765
type fences except when used in conjunction with a bonafide agricultural operation

2270
02:47:12,705 --> 02:47:14,645
in a single family residential districts.

2271
02:47:16,955 --> 02:47:20,875
section 24.1 dash 2 7 2 establishes accessory uses

2272
02:47:21,165 --> 02:47:24,525
permitted in conjunction with commercial and industrial uses. In states,

2273
02:47:25,675 --> 02:47:29,565
land use is not listed in the section are and not deemed similar to a

2274
02:47:29,685 --> 02:47:33,555
listed use, shall be deemed not allowed as commercial or industrial accessory uses.

2275
02:47:34,425 --> 02:47:38,325
so because of this, historically, the county has interpreted, uh, the code's lack

2276
02:47:38,445 --> 02:47:42,085
of reference to theft, deterrent wire, and commercial and industrial districts

2277
02:47:42,545 --> 02:47:46,515
as an indication of it not being authorized. However, some

2278
02:47:46,805 --> 02:47:50,805
of the county's businesses have expressed their desire to use theft deterrent wire to protect

2279
02:47:51,085 --> 02:47:54,045
their property and restrict access to dangerous equipment and machinery.

2280
02:47:55,945 --> 02:47:59,725
so that goes into what is proposed to you tonight. If approved,

2281
02:47:59,985 --> 02:48:03,425
the proposed amendments would change three sections of the code by

2282
02:48:04,105 --> 02:48:07,805
one, adding a definition for theft deterrent wire in the context of fences.

2283
02:48:09,585 --> 02:48:12,565
two, clarifying when it can be used in residential districts.

2284
02:48:13,865 --> 02:48:17,285
and three, allowing for the use of theft deterrent wire in commercial and industrial

2285
02:48:18,005 --> 02:48:21,065
districts, while also establishing performance standards for this use.

2286
02:48:24,625 --> 02:48:28,485
the goal of these amendments is to balance community need with safety and aesthetic expectations.

2287
02:48:30,295 --> 02:48:34,285
local ordinances that regulate theft deterrent wire were reviewed, compiled, and analyzed.

2288
02:48:34,825 --> 02:48:38,555
the ordinances analyzed include norfolk, petersburg, hampton, newport,

2289
02:48:39,045 --> 02:48:43,035
news fairfax, stafford, james city, and gloucester. And also

2290
02:48:43,525 --> 02:48:47,395
a work session was conducted on november 24th, 2025 with

2291
02:48:47,685 --> 02:48:51,165
the planning commission ordinance a subcommittee. During the meeting, concerns

2292
02:48:51,725 --> 02:48:55,395
and considerations were discussed relating to residential application performance

2293
02:48:56,445 --> 02:48:58,485
standards and how citizens could request for an exception.

2294
02:49:02,555 --> 02:49:06,185
alright, so now going into, um, the summary and exp

2295
02:49:06,875 --> 02:49:10,805
explanation of the section changes. So the zoning

2296
02:49:11,045 --> 02:49:14,875
ordinance should include precise definitions to ensure there is no legal ambiguity

2297
02:49:15,715 --> 02:49:19,565
regarding what qualifies theft deterrent wire. So the definition,

2298
02:49:20,585 --> 02:49:23,595
um, oh, excuse me. Uh, the definition is to propose,

2299
02:49:24,745 --> 02:49:28,535
um, including security fencing materials that deter unauthorized entry

2300
02:49:28,905 --> 02:49:32,805
by means of sharp edges, electrical charge or specialized construction

2301
02:49:33,085 --> 02:49:36,285
that impedes climbing, cutting, or breaching. Some of these examples

2302
02:49:37,105 --> 02:49:40,245
are razor wire and barbed wire, concertina wire

2303
02:49:41,155 --> 02:49:44,555
that deterrent composite cables, also known as t dccs

2304
02:49:45,985 --> 02:49:47,165
and also electrified wire.

2305
02:49:50,905 --> 02:49:54,805
so section 24.1 dash 27 1 j as it currently exists

2306
02:49:55,725 --> 02:49:59,125
prohibits the use of barbed wire in electrified fences in single family residential areas

2307
02:49:59,865 --> 02:50:03,765
unless with an agricultural operation. So the proposed amendments

2308
02:50:04,285 --> 02:50:08,285
to the section would change three things. First, it would update and remove

2309
02:50:08,745 --> 02:50:12,045
the term single family, so that regulations apply to all of those residential

2310
02:50:12,925 --> 02:50:16,815
districts. The second change would replace the terms barbed wire or

2311
02:50:16,975 --> 02:50:20,215
electrified fence with theft deterrent wire, so it encompasses additional

2312
02:50:21,335 --> 02:50:25,015
security fencing materials. And lastly, the third revision would

2313
02:50:25,495 --> 02:50:29,415
increase clarity of, uh, the requirements by replacing the phrase in conjunction

2314
02:50:29,775 --> 02:50:33,615
with bonafide agricultural operation with when used for gardening

2315
02:50:33,975 --> 02:50:37,975
operations or to secure domesticated livestock. That is consistent with virginia code

2316
02:50:38,215 --> 02:50:40,255
section 55.1 dash two eight.

2317
02:50:42,365 --> 02:50:46,275
this was changed because it reduces, uh, any ambiguity and references the

2318
02:50:46,735 --> 02:50:50,255
relevant section of the code of virginia, which defines lawful fences in this context.

2319
02:50:52,275 --> 02:50:56,215
in section 24 7 2 a addresses the use

2320
02:50:56,835 --> 02:51:00,715
use of fences in walls in conjunction with commercial and industrial uses. So

2321
02:51:01,175 --> 02:51:04,595
proposed amendments to these sections. Um, 24.1 dash 2 72

2322
02:51:05,655 --> 02:51:09,475
a five a through d address the design and aesthetics of 13 of

2323
02:51:09,695 --> 02:51:12,895
theft deterrent wire, such as where the wire can be located,

2324
02:51:14,205 --> 02:51:17,535
including to not allow, um, certain outward projections

2325
02:51:19,155 --> 02:51:22,435
and types of colors to be used, uh, to reduce visual impact

2326
02:51:23,315 --> 02:51:26,975
if next to residential or public right of ways. In this last section

2327
02:51:27,645 --> 02:51:31,215
with, uh, subsections e through f, these establish enforcement mechanisms

2328
02:51:31,735 --> 02:51:35,735
for public safety and sets out administrative exceptions to one or more

2329
02:51:35,895 --> 02:51:39,455
of the standards. Um, the administrative exception can only be granted

2330
02:51:40,035 --> 02:51:43,995
if the strict application would create an unnecessary hardship, um,

2331
02:51:44,235 --> 02:51:48,015
or if an equivalent safety and aesthetic objectives can be achieved

2332
02:51:48,285 --> 02:51:52,095
through different means. Um, so an example of this is if a

2333
02:51:52,935 --> 02:51:56,535
property needs enhanced security, um, they could ask for more

2334
02:51:57,125 --> 02:52:01,095
intensive, uh, use. So we're

2335
02:52:01,295 --> 02:52:05,005
gonna close with staff's recommendation. Uh, the

2336
02:52:05,325 --> 02:52:09,115
proposed text amendments would add a definition for theft deterrent wire, provide

2337
02:52:09,605 --> 02:52:13,085
clarification on when it can be used in residential districts and establishes

2338
02:52:13,725 --> 02:52:17,165
performance standards for theft deterrent wire in commercial and industrial districts.

2339
02:52:17,865 --> 02:52:21,595
the all-encompassing definition provides clear interpretation for application.

2340
02:52:23,105 --> 02:52:27,005
the revisions to include theft deterrent wire for domesticated livestock and gardening

2341
02:52:27,445 --> 02:52:31,445
will be applied to all of the residential districts. And the proposed standards address

2342
02:52:31,765 --> 02:52:35,725
the design and aesthetics of theft deterrent wire and commercial and industrial districts

2343
02:52:35,965 --> 02:52:38,845
with the allowance of administrative exceptions. So with that,

2344
02:52:40,345 --> 02:52:44,165
um, staff recommends approval through the adoption of proposed ordinance number oh 26

2345
02:52:44,725 --> 02:52:48,645
dash two. Thank you for your attention. I'm happy to answer

2346
02:52:48,885 --> 02:52:51,505
any questions you might have. Any board questions? Yep.

2347
02:52:53,305 --> 02:52:57,125
no. All right. So the, the proposed change

2348
02:52:57,405 --> 02:53:01,165
is clarifies use of residential, got to

2349
02:53:01,675 --> 02:53:05,525
have, um, garden or livestock. But does it

2350
02:53:05,685 --> 02:53:09,515
talk to, if you meet those conditions, what

2351
02:53:09,805 --> 02:53:13,565
that fencing should look like? In other words, somebody takes

2352
02:53:14,205 --> 02:53:18,195
a tomato plant, puts it in a pot, puts it in middle of his yard, and now wants to 12 foot high

2353
02:53:19,115 --> 02:53:23,005
wire with electricity and, and razor wire across the top.

2354
02:53:24,745 --> 02:53:28,525
how, how do we define what is applicable in, in a

2355
02:53:28,765 --> 02:53:31,745
scenario in a residential area? Just residential. Um,

2356
02:53:33,985 --> 02:53:37,665
let me think. I know that for residential fencing, there are

2357
02:53:38,445 --> 02:53:41,685
standards in place for residential regarding fencing.

2358
02:53:42,625 --> 02:53:46,445
um, but if we could add an addition to the residential to say,

2359
02:53:46,665 --> 02:53:50,545
hey, it can't be no razor wire above, you

2360
02:53:50,765 --> 02:53:54,565
know, six feet of the fencing, um, and things of that nature,

2361
02:53:54,995 --> 02:53:58,545
kind of how we did it in the commercial and industrial. Um, so

2362
02:53:59,225 --> 02:54:03,085
to be completely frank with you, I'm not a hundred percent sure how to answer that

2363
02:54:03,525 --> 02:54:04,505
question. Um,

2364
02:54:07,675 --> 02:54:11,495
yes, it has to meet the virginia state code section for livestock. And that,

2365
02:54:12,065 --> 02:54:15,955
let's see, what was the section? Okay, so that, but that meets the requirement for

2366
02:54:16,175 --> 02:54:19,335
putting a fence up when I'm asking about what does that fence look like.

2367
02:54:20,385 --> 02:54:23,035
again, they get a chicken in

2368
02:54:24,515 --> 02:54:28,495
on the third acre lot and, and they use that as a reason to put up a 12 foot

2369
02:54:28,805 --> 02:54:30,815
wire fence all around their property line.

2370
02:54:32,955 --> 02:54:36,895
do we want that in our residential areas? I don't think so. So do, is there any expectation

2371
02:54:37,595 --> 02:54:41,495
of if you meet those criteria of residential, what that tions should look like

2372
02:54:41,795 --> 02:54:45,655
and, and how is it limited? Right. I'm trying to remember what the

2373
02:54:45,815 --> 02:54:49,815
state code standards, it does have listed out that it can't be like

2374
02:54:50,135 --> 02:54:53,375
a number of wires. I'm trying to remember if it has kind of the height

2375
02:54:54,415 --> 02:54:58,015
standard. Um, so we could propose

2376
02:54:58,775 --> 02:55:02,635
a revision of the code to add these concerns in.

2377
02:55:02,855 --> 02:55:06,665
if you would like, you

2378
02:55:06,885 --> 02:55:09,245
gotta come up and talk up here. We can't hear you down there nor earl.

2379
02:55:10,985 --> 02:55:14,285
um, we're gonna look up the state code to see if it addresses your concerns.

2380
02:55:15,355 --> 02:55:19,285
okay. All right. Well, one, let me go ahead. Okay. One of the things

2381
02:55:20,705 --> 02:55:24,585
the, the idea of this wire was designed was,

2382
02:55:24,985 --> 02:55:28,635
was designed specifically to protect businesses. Okay.

2383
02:55:29,165 --> 02:55:32,885
I don't, I don't see this in a platted residential area.

2384
02:55:33,485 --> 02:55:37,405
I don't, I don't know why you would put that unless you have a farm. Okay. But you do bring

2385
02:55:37,605 --> 02:55:41,545
up a good point because we do have, we allow chickens, which considered this can

2386
02:55:41,765 --> 02:55:45,705
be considered a farm animal. So then you can have people putting up, uh,

2387
02:55:46,555 --> 02:55:50,445
barb wire, um, I don't know why you put that up for chickens, but anyway,

2388
02:55:51,145 --> 02:55:55,085
um, or payments out. It, it may be an excuse for other

2389
02:55:55,285 --> 02:55:58,965
purposes, but they use the chicken or the tomato plant

2390
02:55:59,625 --> 02:56:03,445
is an excuse to put up larger fence. I don't, don't, that's not something we

2391
02:56:03,645 --> 02:56:07,645
want to see in our reside residential areas. No, we, no, we don't. I don't, I I agree. I don't wanna

2392
02:56:07,765 --> 02:56:11,625
see that in a residential community. It's not designed for that. Right. It's designed for

2393
02:56:11,845 --> 02:56:15,665
to protect commercial property that's exposed. It could be. Now,

2394
02:56:17,065 --> 02:56:20,965
you know, you end up with what we do here with our rezoning. A lot of times we'll end

2395
02:56:21,085 --> 02:56:24,845
up putting businesses close to sometimes residents or residents close to

2396
02:56:25,205 --> 02:56:28,865
business. That's a problem. But it's the, again, the idea was to protect the

2397
02:56:29,285 --> 02:56:32,645
business. Alright. Okay. Now to answer your question about, look how it looks,

2398
02:56:33,345 --> 02:56:36,995
um, the invisible fence, they got an example of that. This,

2399
02:56:37,435 --> 02:56:40,955
this in here. Uh, it's a black one. It's black. Okay.

2400
02:56:41,545 --> 02:56:45,045
yep. If you, if you, you color it black, it's, it becomes invisible.

2401
02:56:45,705 --> 02:56:49,685
you don't really see it. If you leave it shiny, you know, you gotta know. Then

2402
02:56:49,885 --> 02:56:53,435
you, you're looking like a military, military fence. Okay.

2403
02:56:54,345 --> 02:56:58,205
so if, if we wanted to, my recommendation, uh, would

2404
02:56:58,485 --> 02:57:02,165
be just make a, it have to be a, if it's gonna be anywhere near coer, I mean residential,

2405
02:57:02,645 --> 02:57:06,525
it'd be black. Well, I, I, I agree. And, and they talked

2406
02:57:06,905 --> 02:57:10,805
too about the visual impact in a commercial

2407
02:57:11,275 --> 02:57:15,125
area, but I'm, I'm thinking more about our residential areas. Mm-hmm

2408
02:57:15,565 --> 02:57:19,445
. The, well, that's what I, I'm, the slides we're looking at here and we, we saw

2409
02:57:19,645 --> 02:57:23,645
earlier, I think we all envision that if somebody wants to put electric fence around their

2410
02:57:23,805 --> 02:57:27,625
garden to keep deer out, you know, that's four foot high. That's, we're all okay with that. But

2411
02:57:27,845 --> 02:57:31,725
what we don't wanna have happen is somebody to use that as an excuse to put up

2412
02:57:31,965 --> 02:57:35,765
a six foot high wire high security fence because they're, they're

2413
02:57:36,045 --> 02:57:40,005
tired of the kids coming to get that ball in the yard all the time. And we, we don't, we don't

2414
02:57:40,205 --> 02:57:44,045
want to introduce that as a possibility. I think we need to set an expectation of what it would look like

2415
02:57:44,585 --> 02:57:47,245
in a residential area. So we don't, shouldn't be in a residence. Go down that road.

2416
02:57:49,485 --> 02:57:52,745
I, I, I kind of agree with sheila on this one. I, I don't see it

2417
02:57:53,625 --> 02:57:57,325
as a residential use. Mm-hmm. But it, okay. But there's a case,

2418
02:57:57,955 --> 02:58:01,005
okay, there's a case where we put commercial up next to a residential

2419
02:58:01,985 --> 02:58:05,775
and then in that case, that's where you'd have on the commercial side would

2420
02:58:06,125 --> 02:58:09,715
be the barb wire fence. But the, but the proposed changes just

2421
02:58:10,435 --> 02:58:13,765
explain when you can put a fence up in residential, but it doesn't

2422
02:58:14,755 --> 02:58:18,725
provide any expectation or guidance on what that fence should look like or should

2423
02:58:18,845 --> 02:58:22,635
be. Right. Right. How big it could be. Does you, you know, do you have the state code?

2424
02:58:23,205 --> 02:58:27,005
I know y'all looked it up. I'm wondering if we can take this back and, uh, continue

2425
02:58:27,225 --> 02:58:31,005
the, uh, discussion at the next meeting. Yes. I, I think it does

2426
02:58:31,335 --> 02:58:35,225
merit additional thought along this line. Well, we need to give 'em something to, to, to,

2427
02:58:36,425 --> 02:58:39,555
to work on some direction. I think the direction's been given. What,

2428
02:58:40,675 --> 02:58:44,605
what are the standards for inside a residential area? Yeah. Is it four

2429
02:58:44,805 --> 02:58:48,705
foot high and electric, like, like shown in this picture or is it, or somebody has

2430
02:58:48,965 --> 02:58:52,205
a single chicken in their yard and they want to put a I just see the thing is why is it in residential

2431
02:58:52,985 --> 02:58:56,945
in the first place? This is a honey, I don't think you speak well, I know that, but this is, the

2432
02:58:57,165 --> 02:59:01,005
whole thing was not designed. This whole proposal was not designed to be a residential

2433
02:59:01,625 --> 02:59:05,515
use. Then, then commercial use and it's commercial residential

2434
02:59:06,205 --> 02:59:10,085
use. They're changing the audience. Excuse me. The residential use is already

2435
02:59:10,265 --> 02:59:14,045
in there. It's for bonafide agriculture and we've clarified

2436
02:59:14,605 --> 02:59:18,355
that, that you have to meet the state code section. State code section says five feet

2437
02:59:19,625 --> 02:59:23,565
can, five feet is the, is the height. And it talks about like if you're

2438
02:59:23,805 --> 02:59:27,015
just have barbed wire, you can, your strands have to be a certain distance apart

2439
02:59:27,865 --> 02:59:31,565
and it has different, um, regulations for domesticated

2440
02:59:32,045 --> 02:59:36,005
livestock. And then they get into further regulations when you

2441
02:59:36,125 --> 02:59:39,205
get into cattle and things of that nature. That's why we cited that section.

2442
02:59:40,565 --> 02:59:44,445
'cause it specifically dealt with domesticated livestock in that, that way.

2443
02:59:45,225 --> 02:59:49,045
but we can, we can provide some clarification on the residential side. If, if

2444
02:59:49,245 --> 02:59:53,165
you want to be even further, let, let me let, let bring his point

2445
02:59:53,285 --> 02:59:57,035
up. Do we already have barb wire being used? Okay. This is already, it's

2446
02:59:57,325 --> 03:00:01,145
already out there. You go out there on, uh, on, on, uh, uh,

2447
03:00:01,365 --> 03:00:05,285
victory boulevard, barb wire down both sides. You go down on some of

2448
03:00:05,405 --> 03:00:09,365
the other properties that barb wires already there. Okay. And it's not the hidden

2449
03:00:09,715 --> 03:00:13,665
kind. Okay. It's, it's a silvery, the silvery finish. So,

2450
03:00:14,105 --> 03:00:17,885
oh, rusty. Now one's on a road and we, you know, we've seen this. It's rusted, right? Rust.

2451
03:00:18,185 --> 03:00:22,125
um, and, and, uh, I, so the whole, the, again, the whole

2452
03:00:22,295 --> 03:00:26,265
focus of this was not to be used in a residential area. It

2453
03:00:26,485 --> 03:00:29,885
was supposed to be used for protecting commercial

2454
03:00:30,805 --> 03:00:34,545
property. Right. And we're not, the changes that we proposed are not

2455
03:00:35,165 --> 03:00:38,925
changing anything that's different in the current ordinance. It's just making

2456
03:00:39,275 --> 03:00:43,205
some clarifications in there because we had in there that

2457
03:00:43,365 --> 03:00:47,205
it was single family only. So we weren't talking about

2458
03:00:47,525 --> 03:00:51,085
it in other residential districts or anything like that. We, you know, weren't really specifying.

2459
03:00:51,725 --> 03:00:55,565
we just had, it was a bonafide agricultural use. So we wanted to be very specific.

2460
03:00:55,785 --> 03:00:59,585
that's why we went with the, the, um, agriculture. If

2461
03:00:59,805 --> 03:01:03,685
you wanna remove it from residential use, I mean, we can, I'm okay

2462
03:01:03,885 --> 03:01:07,805
with that clarification. Right. I just, we just need to kind of set the expectation of

2463
03:01:07,965 --> 03:01:11,765
what that will look like. I mean, you don't wanna come home one day no. And, and pulling your

2464
03:01:12,165 --> 03:01:16,085
driveway and you're faced with a six foot tall raise a lot of fence right. On your property line. Either

2465
03:01:16,825 --> 03:01:20,645
for whatever reason somebody did decide they wanted to put that up there. Nobody wants that in our residential

2466
03:01:21,125 --> 03:01:25,125
areas. That's what I want to address. What would that, if, if you're allowed to put

2467
03:01:25,245 --> 03:01:29,065
it there for those bonafide reasons, well, what can you do and what and

2468
03:01:29,285 --> 03:01:33,075
what are the limitations? Okay. We got, we gotta put some limitations on what

2469
03:01:33,365 --> 03:01:37,205
you can do in the residential areas. Five foot. Well, well, the, again, I'm gonna come just

2470
03:01:37,445 --> 03:01:41,075
to the com. I'm gonna come back to the, my concern is when residential and commercial meet,

2471
03:01:41,555 --> 03:01:45,385
well, and that's up. Right? Okay. And that's a valid use of the fencing. And

2472
03:01:45,605 --> 03:01:49,565
it was gonna be higher than four feet, five feet. It could be, it could

2473
03:01:49,685 --> 03:01:53,565
be like, like the picture here, uh, where you've got a maybe an eight

2474
03:01:53,725 --> 03:01:57,725
foot fence and there is a, uh, the outward extension

2475
03:01:58,585 --> 03:02:02,445
of the barbed wire. And I, I mentioned you mentioned in there, would something about

2476
03:02:02,745 --> 03:02:06,645
no outward extension. I mean, outward extension is a

2477
03:02:06,765 --> 03:02:10,565
valid use of, uh, barbed wire to protect things. So I'm not quite sure why that's

2478
03:02:10,805 --> 03:02:14,725
in there. Mark, can we just get clarity on this? I think this, bring it real, it bring

2479
03:02:14,885 --> 03:02:18,485
it back quick. Is that the easiest thing to do? I agree, but this discussion

2480
03:02:19,265 --> 03:02:23,205
is, I think, helpful to mr. Anderson to understand what it is that you want

2481
03:02:23,405 --> 03:02:27,125
us to bring back. So I do think, yes, it should be continued

2482
03:02:27,565 --> 03:02:31,005
until it's done. Before I do that, I want to open up the public hearing

2483
03:02:32,105 --> 03:02:34,845
to see if there are any citizens in the room who wish to comment.

2484
03:02:37,305 --> 03:02:41,285
yes. So, continue it. Seeing none, I'll close the

2485
03:02:41,485 --> 03:02:45,145
public hearing. And now the board's decision, if we wish to

2486
03:02:45,685 --> 03:02:48,705
continue this, uh, discussion. Well, one, I wanna make sure we yes,

2487
03:02:49,725 --> 03:02:53,725
I, I understand. I think I understand what you're saying. You're worried about going, coming home

2488
03:02:53,965 --> 03:02:57,285
and finding a big barb wire fence right. On your property or next around your property.

2489
03:02:58,035 --> 03:03:01,615
that again, is not what the I was, when I got this down here, again,

2490
03:03:02,045 --> 03:03:05,645
I was focused pri principally on the business side. Right. So I'm trying to protect the business side.

2491
03:03:07,565 --> 03:03:10,805
I think residentially, if you wanna put a restriction on it, make it black.

2492
03:03:11,825 --> 03:03:15,685
you make it black wire. Okay. That's a little, a little more expensive. But it's,

2493
03:03:16,105 --> 03:03:20,005
but it's called an, like an invisible fence. You're gonna meet

2494
03:03:20,245 --> 03:03:23,485
state code, whatever they, you said five feet or something.

2495
03:03:24,395 --> 03:03:28,365
okay. It's gotta be black wire. Alright. Uh, I

2496
03:03:28,485 --> 03:03:32,485
don't know what else you, you don't think you make green, but I think

2497
03:03:32,605 --> 03:03:36,365
there are enough changes there that I think we should continue this, right? I mean, you don't, you don't want chicken

2498
03:03:36,675 --> 03:03:40,645
wire up around somebody's all around perimeter of somebody's property. Even you do paint,

2499
03:03:40,855 --> 03:03:44,725
paint it black. Otherwise this boards gonna get flooded with

2500
03:03:44,965 --> 03:03:48,965
calls and going, you know, my neighbor just ruined the neighborhood. 'cause they, they put

2501
03:03:49,125 --> 03:03:52,145
a chicken wire fence off around their property. 'cause they got this tomato plant. Now

2502
03:03:53,505 --> 03:03:56,605
nobody wants that one chicken. Is there a restriction on use of chicken wire or one chicken?

2503
03:03:57,585 --> 03:04:01,205
uh, I'm not sure, but I have an idea of like, I'm ask to propose

2504
03:04:01,785 --> 03:04:05,425
to you all of what to look into. Yeah. I've made a motion. Motion

2505
03:04:06,025 --> 03:04:09,205
has been made. Can we have a roll call please? You call the question.

2506
03:04:10,115 --> 03:04:13,905
yeah. Because I wanna make sure they understand what they're gonna work on. I have heard enough debate

2507
03:04:14,385 --> 03:04:18,285
in here. I think we take it away and let them work at and come back. I

2508
03:04:18,405 --> 03:04:20,885
made a motion that we continue this to a

2509
03:04:22,565 --> 03:04:25,115
a month. You got enough info?

2510
03:04:27,155 --> 03:04:31,085
I'll make a performance standards for the residential. Decide where it needs to

2511
03:04:31,205 --> 03:04:34,665
be. See, I just, I wanna clarify. You,

2512
03:04:35,345 --> 03:04:38,965
you want to reopen the public hearing, but you're gonna continue it to

2513
03:04:39,845 --> 03:04:43,565
february. You just, we just closed the public hearing. Well, that's, that's what I'm saying. If you,

2514
03:04:44,325 --> 03:04:48,115
I just wanna provide that clarification. If you want this to con have

2515
03:04:49,115 --> 03:04:53,045
open dialogue for the public to come in, no. Then you would need to

2516
03:04:53,205 --> 03:04:56,925
open the public hearing, continue it to the february, whatever the

2517
03:04:57,245 --> 03:05:01,085
february open public hearing is. That's a how much time do you need, suggestion?

2518
03:05:01,505 --> 03:05:05,205
how much time do you need? I mean, we could probably put something together

2519
03:05:05,675 --> 03:05:09,525
this week, the end of this week. So you'll be you'll prepared by one of the meetings next week. I mean, we could, we could have it for

2520
03:05:09,685 --> 03:05:13,605
the work session, but I don't know that you have a public hearing component at the work

2521
03:05:13,765 --> 03:05:16,945
session. Mr. Chairman. Uh, you don't have to

2522
03:05:18,165 --> 03:05:21,965
continue the entire public hearing, however, since it's a zoning

2523
03:05:22,205 --> 03:05:25,785
amendment and since public hearing, there's going to potentially be

2524
03:05:26,275 --> 03:05:29,985
substantive changes, it probably would be prudent to

2525
03:05:30,405 --> 03:05:33,595
continue the public hearing and give the public an opportunity to comment.

2526
03:05:34,955 --> 03:05:38,165
I'll reopen the public hearing now. I'll take a motion.

2527
03:05:39,465 --> 03:05:43,205
she already made it to 16th. 10th 16th. February 16th.

2528
03:05:44,165 --> 03:05:47,045
february 16th. Continue to february 16th.

2529
03:05:49,605 --> 03:05:53,605
. I made the motion to continue. 17th, this 16th or 17th.

2530
03:05:53,945 --> 03:05:57,005
all vote. Well, the 16th will be before the meeting, right?

2531
03:05:58,005 --> 03:06:01,985
I guess. I don't know. No. 17th. 17th. 17th. Yeah. Yes.

2532
03:06:02,305 --> 03:06:06,035
my mistake. Thank you, . The motion made by mrs. Noll

2533
03:06:06,825 --> 03:06:08,845
is to continue to february 17th, 2026.

2534
03:06:11,265 --> 03:06:14,985
public hearing for proposed ordinance 26 dash two.

2535
03:06:15,735 --> 03:06:17,275
thank you. Roll call.

2536
03:06:20,705 --> 03:06:23,345
yes. Yes. Mr.

2537
03:06:25,585 --> 03:06:29,585
yes. Yes. Yes. Motion

2538
03:06:30,005 --> 03:06:33,765
carried. We are now moving on to consent calendar.

2539
03:06:35,185 --> 03:06:39,005
so item number seven was to authorize a contract to purchase for and enforcer

2540
03:06:39,445 --> 03:06:43,185
pumpers for fire and life safety. Number eight was

2541
03:06:43,605 --> 03:06:47,565
trolley hardware and software agreements. Number nine was retirement resolution

2542
03:06:48,425 --> 03:06:51,925
for min and number 10 was retirement resolution for charles baldwin.

2543
03:06:53,825 --> 03:06:57,805
do any of the members wish to discuss, uh, any of these items? Yeah, I'd like to

2544
03:06:57,885 --> 03:07:00,085
chat a little bit about number seven. Okay. Number seven.

2545
03:07:03,745 --> 03:07:06,405
number seven. Could we have the chief come forward please?

2546
03:07:16,945 --> 03:07:20,325
mr. Hoy? Chief, how you doing this evening? Alright, first thing,

2547
03:07:21,045 --> 03:07:24,905
enforcer, pumper versus other pumpers would are

2548
03:07:25,225 --> 03:07:28,725
all, all the same. We, they're, they're all the same. The enforcer, the type of chassis currently

2549
03:07:29,505 --> 03:07:33,325
are chassis. We're using a quantum chassis, which is no longer in production.

2550
03:07:34,745 --> 03:07:38,545
um, we switched to enforcers. Oh, that's a brand name. It

2551
03:07:38,765 --> 03:07:42,555
is, it's a model of a chassis. Yes. Okay. It's not a, not a use. It's a, okay.

2552
03:07:42,845 --> 03:07:46,365
yeah. Yes. Okay. Yes. Um, alright. So we're looking at four vehicles.

2553
03:07:47,055 --> 03:07:50,005
we're new pumpers, three of which to replace

2554
03:07:51,365 --> 03:07:55,285
vehicles that are agent I in, in the service life. Yes. In the, in the service life

2555
03:07:55,925 --> 03:07:59,805
determined by miles number of hours to help help us understand

2556
03:08:00,395 --> 03:08:04,085
several, several things. Um, recommendations from the national fire protection

2557
03:08:04,485 --> 03:08:08,215
association. Our fleet maintenance recommendations. Um, based

2558
03:08:08,565 --> 03:08:12,525
on mileage, years of service, actually everything including up, up

2559
03:08:12,685 --> 03:08:16,485
to engine hours. These vehicles, the three, three of them will

2560
03:08:16,725 --> 03:08:19,885
be replacing a 2003 with over a hundred thousand miles.

2561
03:08:20,985 --> 03:08:24,845
um, and two 2000 and eights, which have over a hundred thousand miles on it.

2562
03:08:25,825 --> 03:08:29,045
um, if you take that and look at the service standards

2563
03:08:29,905 --> 03:08:33,575
and work, work in the engine hours, those

2564
03:08:33,925 --> 03:08:36,965
three units are in excess of 300,000 miles. If you use the formula.

2565
03:08:38,105 --> 03:08:41,565
um, basically it's the road mileage times 33

2566
03:08:42,265 --> 03:08:46,145
is what the national standard is. Again, we've run that through and look at it. Um,

2567
03:08:48,425 --> 03:08:52,225
the nfpa recommends frontline service. 10

2568
03:08:52,445 --> 03:08:56,245
years. We've had the schedule set 10 years frontline service, 10 years reserve

2569
03:08:56,645 --> 03:09:00,485
service. So these units are replacing older re that are in reserve

2570
03:09:00,725 --> 03:09:04,085
status right now. And then current units, which are approaching

2571
03:09:05,155 --> 03:09:07,645
some pretty high mileage will be rotated down to the reserve status.

2572
03:09:09,185 --> 03:09:12,965
and the thing to remember with these units is it's a four, one or 48 month, excuse

2573
03:09:13,365 --> 03:09:17,265
me, delivery time. So we will not see those units arrive and

2574
03:09:17,485 --> 03:09:21,405
they continue to build mileage until they arrive. We're trying to stay ahead of that curve. I

2575
03:09:21,525 --> 03:09:25,525
understand. Okay. And we just hit three at the same time. Just, just the

2576
03:09:25,685 --> 03:09:29,605
way the math worked out with, um, usage over time. Actually,

2577
03:09:29,795 --> 03:09:33,655
it's four and the one for stay three replacement. The one one's a new one. One's

2578
03:09:34,005 --> 03:09:37,965
a new one. Yes, sir. Right. Okay. And that's, that was the schedule. The three stays on the schedule that we have

2579
03:09:38,145 --> 03:09:42,025
set forth. Okay. And the new one is, is

2580
03:09:42,325 --> 03:09:46,105
it new one for station number seven? Several more time number seven. Yes.

2581
03:09:46,745 --> 03:09:50,625
do you have staff for that new pumper today? No, we are currently working on

2582
03:09:50,845 --> 03:09:54,845
that. Um, you got four years to get it. We have four years to get it. That's, that's the

2583
03:09:54,925 --> 03:09:58,805
pro, that's one of the biggest, that's one of the biggest things. It's four years till we'll see these vehicles.

2584
03:09:59,475 --> 03:10:03,365
okay. I think we gotta worry about that. I guess I was gonna ask about the timeframe too. And he already says four

2585
03:10:03,565 --> 03:10:06,405
years, so it's like, okay. Yes. All right. Thank you. Thank you.

2586
03:10:07,795 --> 03:10:11,765
okay. I'll ask for a motion to, uh, approve the consent caliber. So move

2587
03:10:13,395 --> 03:10:16,945
roll call. Motion

2588
03:10:17,475 --> 03:10:21,245
made by mrs. Noles to approve the consent calendar as submitted.

2589
03:10:22,145 --> 03:10:26,055
mr. Shepherd? Yes. Mrs. Noll? Yes. Mr. Drury?

2590
03:10:26,545 --> 03:10:30,145
yes. Mr. R? Yes. And mr. Ho? Yes. Motion

2591
03:10:30,565 --> 03:10:34,265
carried. Now I'll come back to, um, the county attorney report.

2592
03:10:35,225 --> 03:10:39,125
mr. Hill. Uh, thank you mr. Chairman. Uh, I don't have a whole

2593
03:10:39,305 --> 03:10:42,885
lot this evening other than to just mention and note that the general assembly, obviously

2594
03:10:43,485 --> 03:10:47,445
is in full swing. Um, I think it's safe to

2595
03:10:47,605 --> 03:10:51,465
say there's a lot of interesting things going on right now. Say

2596
03:10:51,685 --> 03:10:55,425
the least. Um, of, of most interest to local government, there's focuses on,

2597
03:10:55,785 --> 03:10:59,205
um, what, uh, the administration is calling affordability.

2598
03:11:00,905 --> 03:11:04,565
and for our purposes, that is going to have probably some significant

2599
03:11:05,165 --> 03:11:09,165
impacts on our zoning and authority and authority over housing,

2600
03:11:09,835 --> 03:11:13,665
both in the terms of potentially limiting, uh,

2601
03:11:13,995 --> 03:11:17,795
what the county can do going forward in certain instances and perhaps even

2602
03:11:18,295 --> 03:11:22,125
overriding existing authority. Uh, there's a lot of things,

2603
03:11:22,605 --> 03:11:26,065
a lot of interest in data centers, um, and

2604
03:11:26,725 --> 03:11:30,565
a lot of interest in reevaluating how state and local government is financed.

2605
03:11:32,235 --> 03:11:35,675
uh, one thing I'll note, uh, as probably be all, all of you know, is that the,

2606
03:11:36,645 --> 03:11:40,075
this session, it is, it is almost certain that the cannabis, um,

2607
03:11:40,935 --> 03:11:44,295
legalization and retail structure is going to be approved.

2608
03:11:45,465 --> 03:11:49,455
there is significant discussion. Uh, there's already proposals

2609
03:11:49,915 --> 03:11:53,725
on the floor that will, um, address

2610
03:11:54,715 --> 03:11:58,595
how much authority local governments have to, um,

2611
03:11:59,805 --> 03:12:03,705
control, uh, establishments. And the, their,

2612
03:12:04,105 --> 03:12:07,865
their proposals vary from, you can't do anything to, there

2613
03:12:08,215 --> 03:12:12,085
are some limitations. The previous bill from last year

2614
03:12:12,645 --> 03:12:16,635
that was vetoed by the governor would have allowed localities, um,

2615
03:12:17,075 --> 03:12:21,015
uh, a referendum that seems to be off the table. And now the discussion is

2616
03:12:21,175 --> 03:12:25,095
how much or how little authority the local government, uh, attorney's

2617
03:12:25,375 --> 03:12:28,575
association has a, um, has convened a

2618
03:12:29,385 --> 03:12:33,335
small group to discuss this, which I'm a member of, uh, because I know our

2619
03:12:33,535 --> 03:12:37,535
locality has a lot of interest in that particular topic. So we will have more to

2620
03:12:37,805 --> 03:12:41,195
discuss on that in the future. Thank you. Thank you.

2621
03:12:42,535 --> 03:12:46,475
county administrator. Mr. Bellamy. Mr. Ard. Thank you.

2622
03:12:47,335 --> 03:12:51,145
um, I had two real quick items, but I'm actually gonna ask,

2623
03:12:51,785 --> 03:12:55,625
uh, mr. Drury to talk about the no wake signs. Okay. You

2624
03:12:55,845 --> 03:12:59,765
okay with that? Mm-hmm . Okay. And then the second item I wanted you to be aware

2625
03:13:00,005 --> 03:13:03,835
of, uh, the chief and I and chief segerblom have,

2626
03:13:04,265 --> 03:13:08,085
uh, been emailing back and forth about the weather. I just wanted everybody

2627
03:13:08,405 --> 03:13:12,405
to be aware the potential is there for a significant snowfall.

2628
03:13:13,825 --> 03:13:17,605
uh, so keep an eye on the weather and it is, uh, forecast

2629
03:13:18,145 --> 03:13:22,115
to be very cold through the week, so it could present some

2630
03:13:22,405 --> 03:13:25,925
real challenges for us. Other than that, I'm available for questions.

2631
03:13:27,675 --> 03:13:31,295
any questions for mr. Bellamy? Thank you. I don't have mr. Bellamy,

2632
03:13:31,695 --> 03:13:35,555
but before we're done, I do have a question for mr. Hill, but I think you're up next. No, if

2633
03:13:35,775 --> 03:13:39,215
you, um, I will now I'll go to matters presented

2634
03:13:39,815 --> 03:13:43,635
by the board. I'll start with ladies first. With who? Me?

2635
03:13:43,955 --> 03:13:47,015
ladies first. Oh. Oh, here we go, ladies first.

2636
03:13:48,375 --> 03:13:52,295
actually, um, january 10th, I went to christopher newport

2637
03:13:52,745 --> 03:13:56,295
university for the grand opening of their science and engineering

2638
03:13:57,375 --> 03:14:01,205
research center, otherwise known as cert. I've

2639
03:14:01,495 --> 03:14:05,415
got to tell you, normally when I go to christopher newport, I am just in a few

2640
03:14:05,575 --> 03:14:09,535
different buildings for meetings or, or theater or things of that nature. I,

2641
03:14:09,895 --> 03:14:13,775
I have not gone back behind those buildings for quite a while.

2642
03:14:14,755 --> 03:14:18,735
and if you haven't been on the campus, you should

2643
03:14:19,195 --> 03:14:22,755
see how that campus has grown and the buildings are, are,

2644
03:14:23,435 --> 03:14:27,335
are going to be here for 50 years plus 50 years. I think

2645
03:14:27,685 --> 03:14:31,515
there's, the, the construction is, is so classic

2646
03:14:32,175 --> 03:14:35,275
and it is, it is mind boggling

2647
03:14:36,735 --> 03:14:40,635
the opportunities that students now have. I remember when christopher newport was

2648
03:14:40,795 --> 03:14:44,575
just a day school, and it has 30 years ago,

2649
03:14:45,655 --> 03:14:49,215
um, paul triple came and I don't know if you all remember, but

2650
03:14:49,735 --> 03:14:53,355
at that point, what he was looking at building, he had a vision

2651
03:14:54,175 --> 03:14:57,995
and the first thing that he built was the ferguson center. And the architect was

2652
03:14:58,415 --> 03:15:02,235
pay, pay, ppi. And he came around

2653
03:15:02,555 --> 03:15:06,195
to all the different localities for contributions.

2654
03:15:07,135 --> 03:15:11,135
and I'm very proud of the fact that york county contributed significantly to

2655
03:15:11,355 --> 03:15:15,085
it, but not as much as he wanted. Look what it is now today.

2656
03:15:15,825 --> 03:15:19,395
it's absolutely fantastic. And it was more fun because

2657
03:15:19,995 --> 03:15:23,835
I was standing, standing out, you know, watching what was going on. I wasn't gonna sit

2658
03:15:24,035 --> 03:15:27,795
down. And a young woman came up to me and she said,

2659
03:15:28,135 --> 03:15:32,135
mrs. Noll, I said, oh, okay, . It turns out that she

2660
03:15:32,535 --> 03:15:35,995
was a member of the youth commission at one time,

2661
03:15:36,895 --> 03:15:40,635
and she's now serving on the board of directors or whatever they call it,

2662
03:15:41,055 --> 03:15:44,595
of the alumni association. And she's in into marketing

2663
03:15:45,135 --> 03:15:49,065
and she lives in reston. And I think her parents may

2664
03:15:49,285 --> 03:15:52,285
still live here. And I, I apologize because I didn't get any names.

2665
03:15:53,305 --> 03:15:57,225
so after we had the, the, the ribbon cutting, we had

2666
03:15:57,445 --> 03:16:01,105
to, we had a tour to go through. And so I, I got into the,

2667
03:16:01,985 --> 03:16:05,625
um, market, ma, masters, makers,

2668
03:16:06,905 --> 03:16:10,285
makers, I think that's what it's called, uh, laboratory.

2669
03:16:11,655 --> 03:16:14,295
and there were two students in there working on

2670
03:16:16,965 --> 03:16:20,835
using them right now, a little machine. And they were trying to work it on, on the computer

2671
03:16:21,095 --> 03:16:25,015
and make it work that way. And one of

2672
03:16:25,135 --> 03:16:27,545
the students youth commission.

2673
03:16:29,965 --> 03:16:33,425
and I thought, isn't this wonderful? And I,

2674
03:16:34,025 --> 03:16:37,465
I, one of the girls, I can't remember which one it was, the girls was a euphemism

2675
03:16:38,095 --> 03:16:41,645
term at times, but she said, she tells people

2676
03:16:42,965 --> 03:16:46,955
or to look out for the youth commission, they should apply

2677
03:16:47,325 --> 03:16:51,225
for the youth commission. And this is something that we've always pushed. So I

2678
03:16:51,345 --> 03:16:55,185
really wanna congratulate those of those who have served

2679
03:16:55,445 --> 03:16:59,185
on the youth commission. Um, I think steve has done a, steven

2680
03:16:59,735 --> 03:17:03,315
rons done a wonderful job with the past couple of years, several years

2681
03:17:03,925 --> 03:17:07,705
now, I think working with the students. But it is always

2682
03:17:08,175 --> 03:17:12,035
good to know that what you invest in bears

2683
03:17:12,385 --> 03:17:15,535
fruit and seeing these two students both

2684
03:17:16,735 --> 03:17:20,405
stretch, maybe one was 15 years older than the other one, and the one might be the

2685
03:17:20,785 --> 03:17:23,685
freshman. I'm not really sure. But

2686
03:17:25,125 --> 03:17:28,835
it, it makes what we do. Wonderful. And thank you, thank

2687
03:17:29,185 --> 03:17:33,025
you all for supporting the youth commission. And I'm saying this because

2688
03:17:33,385 --> 03:17:37,105
I would like parents, if you watching this program at any time,

2689
03:17:37,685 --> 03:17:40,585
is to talk to your, your, your children who are in high school

2690
03:17:42,045 --> 03:17:45,745
and tell 'em that there's so much that they can learn about local government

2691
03:17:46,605 --> 03:17:50,245
and the opportunities that are out there for them as these young women did.

2692
03:17:50,925 --> 03:17:54,745
so hats off to the youth commissioner and to the new youth

2693
03:17:55,025 --> 03:17:58,945
commissioners. Look what you have to look forward to. Thank you

2694
03:18:00,465 --> 03:18:04,165
mr. Shepherd. Yeah. One of the things I

2695
03:18:04,845 --> 03:18:08,635
occasionally do get to drive around and, and, uh, and just kind

2696
03:18:08,925 --> 03:18:12,715
of look at the, what's going on in the county. And, uh, something

2697
03:18:13,565 --> 03:18:17,205
recently got my attention. I'm driving down 17 and there's a truck

2698
03:18:17,585 --> 03:18:21,525
on fire, okay. And I went, okay, well normally, you know, it's

2699
03:18:21,725 --> 03:18:25,565
a truck on fire. Then I'm driving through one of my neighborhoods. There's a house, looks like it's burned

2700
03:18:25,765 --> 03:18:29,545
down. And then I then I hear about our chief is

2701
03:18:29,875 --> 03:18:33,485
over at, uh, I think it was the food line in pco, wasn't it? At that, uh,

2702
03:18:34,075 --> 03:18:37,905
that it, uh, it was right here. The fire breaks out in there in the back room or something. And

2703
03:18:38,425 --> 03:18:42,225
our chief is the man on the job. So, and then, and then, and

2704
03:18:42,445 --> 03:18:46,445
then I find out another house is burned down and running, man. And I'm going like, what the

2705
03:18:46,605 --> 03:18:50,605
heck is going on? And uh, and it seems like it gets around

2706
03:18:50,885 --> 03:18:54,585
winter time. I don't know. Things seem to to

2707
03:18:54,945 --> 03:18:58,765
happen when it comes to fire portable. And one time I was at, uh, I was,

2708
03:18:59,045 --> 03:19:02,165
I was doing a ride along with chief payne at the time, and we were up in williamsburg

2709
03:19:03,145 --> 03:19:06,765
and we get a call and, and so off we go to this, uh, fire in james

2710
03:19:07,205 --> 03:19:11,185
c county. And, uh, a guy had, uh, had, uh,

2711
03:19:11,465 --> 03:19:15,345
was having a thing, I think it was, uh, thanksgiving and um, they were having a dinner and

2712
03:19:16,225 --> 03:19:19,955
all of a sudden smoke started coming out of the laundry room. And he had taken, uh, extension

2713
03:19:20,565 --> 03:19:24,335
cords and hooked up all his, uh, all, all his, like the dryer

2714
03:19:24,705 --> 03:19:28,645
and the washing machine and everything is all these extension cords. And sure enough, one 'em caught

2715
03:19:28,765 --> 03:19:32,395
on fire and, and kind of smoked at the house. The point here

2716
03:19:33,145 --> 03:19:36,965
is, I'm not sure what's going on this year, but it just strikes me that we're

2717
03:19:37,245 --> 03:19:41,205
seeing a lot more house fires. So I ask the chief if he kind

2718
03:19:41,445 --> 03:19:45,265
of give, explain what's going on, and, uh, he showed pictures of wherever the

2719
03:19:45,485 --> 03:19:49,165
houses were. But the thing he pointed out was that most accidental

2720
03:19:49,575 --> 03:19:53,445
fires in your county are in residential, uh, occupancies

2721
03:19:54,105 --> 03:19:57,925
and are caused by cooking . Okay. So don't, okay, well that's where you turn it on right?

2722
03:19:59,145 --> 03:20:02,945
to dinner. But then you got electrical fires is another common one. Um,

2723
03:20:03,865 --> 03:20:07,505
and then you got appliance failures, that's another one, especially dryers.

2724
03:20:07,925 --> 03:20:11,925
and you get lint in air and that, that can be a lot of fun. Um, and then

2725
03:20:12,085 --> 03:20:15,765
there's the arsons that somebody potentially will set on, unfortunately not that many.

2726
03:20:16,185 --> 03:20:19,865
and then we have commercial that the, like the chief saw. So

2727
03:20:22,125 --> 03:20:26,025
I was start trying to start my fireplace the other day, a, a gas fireplace. And

2728
03:20:26,245 --> 03:20:30,085
I hadn't started in 15 years. I couldn't get it started. Well, I hadn't

2729
03:20:30,345 --> 03:20:34,165
let, hell let gas button down long enough, the gas get through the system. I paid

2730
03:20:34,405 --> 03:20:37,645
$120 for a plumber to come out. And he pushes the button,

2731
03:20:38,635 --> 03:20:42,425
sits there holding, boom, starts right up . And uh, he said, well, you

2732
03:20:42,645 --> 03:20:46,405
did all the hard work. Mm-hmm . Getting the, clearing it out. The point is pay attention.

2733
03:20:47,355 --> 03:20:51,085
it's the wintertime. I know everybody's getting all cozy and wants that coat's on and,

2734
03:20:51,505 --> 03:20:55,085
and you leave things on. And that's a good way for the chief and his

2735
03:20:55,655 --> 03:20:59,605
crews to, to get out there and get some exercise by putting out the fire in your

2736
03:20:59,725 --> 03:21:03,165
house. So I just wanted to bring that to everybody's attention. Pay attention.

2737
03:21:04,075 --> 03:21:07,465
alright, thank you . Alright. Um,

2738
03:21:08,125 --> 03:21:11,865
I think mr. Drury is prime to talk about no wake zone, so I'll defer that to you. Um,

2739
03:21:12,165 --> 03:21:16,125
I want to hit upon, uh, we talked a little bit or heard a little bit tonight from the

2740
03:21:16,385 --> 03:21:20,225
on the hill gallery, and I had the opportunity, I, I missed the

2741
03:21:20,445 --> 03:21:24,365
opportunity to go to the, um, the ribbon cutting, but I didn't make it by there

2742
03:21:24,565 --> 03:21:28,385
later last year sometime. And if, if

2743
03:21:28,605 --> 03:21:32,605
you hear gallery and all you picture in your head is paint is on the wall, you are missing

2744
03:21:32,905 --> 03:21:36,685
out on a large breadth of different type of art styles and works

2745
03:21:36,965 --> 03:21:40,805
from local artists around here. So if you haven't been there, I encourage you to go

2746
03:21:40,975 --> 03:21:44,645
check out, see what they have. It's really accessible right on 17

2747
03:21:45,325 --> 03:21:49,285
heritage square shopper center. Easy to get into plenty parking, uh, check

2748
03:21:49,565 --> 03:21:53,535
it out. Um, as a member of the, um, victory ymc advisory board

2749
03:21:53,905 --> 03:21:57,705
and the healthy kids day subcommittee, and everybody know we've got the,

2750
03:21:58,115 --> 03:22:02,035
this year's annual healthy kids day scheduled on april 18th. It's

2751
03:22:02,325 --> 03:22:06,245
a great event. Um, a lot going on there. And I'll bring that up

2752
03:22:06,365 --> 03:22:10,085
again as we get close to that date. But if you wanna participate in healthy kids

2753
03:22:10,425 --> 03:22:14,365
day, the window to sign up to participation closes in

2754
03:22:14,825 --> 03:22:18,355
feb in end of february. So if that's an interest to you as a, as a presenter

2755
03:22:19,145 --> 03:22:22,785
or response or whatever, um, make sure you get in there before that window closes.

2756
03:22:23,225 --> 03:22:27,205
and last thing is for mr. Hill, um, one of the

2757
03:22:27,285 --> 03:22:31,285
pain points for data center is energy usage and the way that drives

2758
03:22:31,665 --> 03:22:35,245
up costs for everybody across the board. What's the limitation

2759
03:22:36,305 --> 03:22:40,205
on, is it the state level? Is it the federal level that drives,

2760
03:22:41,235 --> 03:22:45,225
well, if data centers are consuming more power, then they need to pay

2761
03:22:45,955 --> 03:22:49,605
more for that as opposed to everybody paying it. Wh where, where's that limitation?

2762
03:22:50,105 --> 03:22:54,085
do you know? Is it it, is that something the state can control? Is that something comes from the federal level?

2763
03:22:56,695 --> 03:23:00,635
I I don't, I don't have a real answer for you on that. Okay. I can look into it though. Uh,

2764
03:23:00,855 --> 03:23:04,765
uh, there, there are attempts, there are several bills that are attempting to address that

2765
03:23:05,055 --> 03:23:08,365
particular issue. It seems that

2766
03:23:09,075 --> 03:23:13,055
the, the feeling is, is that it's a, it's a,

2767
03:23:13,235 --> 03:23:16,915
um, it's a, um, what's the word I'm looking for?

2768
03:23:17,395 --> 03:23:21,265
or excess issue that

2769
03:23:21,555 --> 03:23:25,555
they, um, dominion, dominion has the, the dominion

2770
03:23:25,815 --> 03:23:29,135
and then the big utility in the western part of the state that I can never remember. The,

2771
03:23:30,185 --> 03:23:33,935
they, they, they have the power to, to control who can,

2772
03:23:35,375 --> 03:23:39,015
who can interconnect at what time and

2773
03:23:39,495 --> 03:23:42,825
put some guardrails on allowing additional connections

2774
03:23:43,515 --> 03:23:47,165
if there isn't. But, okay. It's a, it's a very, very complicated issue.

2775
03:23:47,605 --> 03:23:51,275
right. And that, and just wondering where do we, where the residents go to,

2776
03:23:51,655 --> 03:23:55,425
to engage to get some assistance there. Is it your,

2777
03:23:55,865 --> 03:23:59,635
your, your delegates in richmond, or do you go to your congress people

2778
03:24:00,695 --> 03:24:04,435
in washington for, for assistance? That's where, where the rubber meet the road? Or both?

2779
03:24:04,975 --> 03:24:08,885
or both. Right. So thank you mr. Brewery.

2780
03:24:09,485 --> 03:24:13,045
okay. Um, well, since mark brought it up, mr. Bellamy,

2781
03:24:13,635 --> 03:24:17,255
um, I wanted to mention tomorrow evening at the sheriff's department

2782
03:24:17,655 --> 03:24:21,555
in the community room is a public meeting, uh, for

2783
03:24:21,775 --> 03:24:25,595
the no wake zone, um, signs that are out in the

2784
03:24:26,205 --> 03:24:30,115
waterways. I know we've had some issues, uh, this past summer, uh,

2785
03:24:30,595 --> 03:24:33,635
out back my house, in fact of, um,

2786
03:24:34,805 --> 03:24:38,495
some of the, um, people that pull boats over. I can't

2787
03:24:38,815 --> 03:24:42,575
remember what, which department it was. There's several, several out there were pulling these

2788
03:24:43,040 --> 03:24:47,005
boats over for no wait sign. And, uh, some of the

2789
03:24:47,245 --> 03:24:51,145
residents are saying that sign was, uh, an illegitimate sign. So we

2790
03:24:51,425 --> 03:24:55,185
tasked, uh, mr. Bellamy and his team to find us

2791
03:24:55,825 --> 03:24:59,825
all the, uh, recommendations that the board has put forth and voted on

2792
03:25:00,625 --> 03:25:04,605
for the signs. And so we're gonna go over that tomorrow night. The county's gonna go over

2793
03:25:04,765 --> 03:25:08,625
that and tell you exactly what is there now, what has been approved and

2794
03:25:08,845 --> 03:25:12,805
what has not. Uh, and then they'll have recommendations on how to move

2795
03:25:12,965 --> 03:25:16,805
forward with that. So if you're interested in, you don't have to live in the water, but

2796
03:25:17,005 --> 03:25:20,745
if you're a boater and you're out there in the water, you may wanna be interested in that. Um,

2797
03:25:22,065 --> 03:25:26,045
so I would encourage you to be there. You'll have a, a time for a public hearing

2798
03:25:26,705 --> 03:25:30,585
and you'd be able to speak, uh, on your behalf or someone else's behalf. So

2799
03:25:30,805 --> 03:25:34,045
that's between five and seven tomorrow evening at the sheriff's department.

2800
03:25:35,665 --> 03:25:39,485
um, number two, uh, wanted to ask our county administrator

2801
03:25:40,455 --> 03:25:44,385
about the exemption on the live in shoreline for the tax

2802
03:25:44,605 --> 03:25:48,535
exemption and how we can, uh, visit that topic

2803
03:25:48,975 --> 03:25:52,925
maybe next, uh, next month, uh, on what it would take to,

2804
03:25:53,345 --> 03:25:57,165
uh, address that. I've already addressed that to mr. Bellamy earlier in the meeting.

2805
03:25:57,515 --> 03:26:01,245
okay. So, okay. Good. Um, and then,

2806
03:26:01,545 --> 03:26:05,235
um, three, uh, and, uh, mr. Bellamy's

2807
03:26:05,845 --> 03:26:09,665
already mentioned it, the, the storm's coming. And in all indications, it

2808
03:26:09,885 --> 03:26:13,675
could be a pretty bad one from what I'm seeing on the, the, the, um, weather

2809
03:26:14,285 --> 03:26:18,285
channels that I've been watching. So I'm just telling everybody to be prepared.

2810
03:26:18,585 --> 03:26:22,365
get your generators out and running. Um, make sure you get your

2811
03:26:22,595 --> 03:26:25,885
pets and keep them in, um, and take care of your elderly,

2812
03:26:26,745 --> 03:26:30,725
the people that you love and, and cherish. Make sure they're taken care of. Check in

2813
03:26:30,885 --> 03:26:34,685
on 'em very frequently. Um, but this one could be

2814
03:26:34,965 --> 03:26:38,625
a pretty bad storm according to the weather channel. Um,

2815
03:26:39,945 --> 03:26:42,905
and last but not least, I always want to,

2816
03:26:44,345 --> 03:26:48,335
um, talk about the great businesses coming to york county and where

2817
03:26:48,685 --> 03:26:52,595
we're at on some of them. I had the privilege to go by virginia beer company this

2818
03:26:52,885 --> 03:26:56,245
past week and q addies this past week to get a tour.

2819
03:26:56,985 --> 03:27:00,965
and, um, virginia beer company is slated for a ribbon cutting on the

2820
03:27:01,125 --> 03:27:05,045
29th of this month. And, uh, q daddies I think is

2821
03:27:05,245 --> 03:27:09,205
gonna probably be about a week behind them is from what I'm seeing, they're probably gonna be the first

2822
03:27:09,365 --> 03:27:13,285
week in february. Um, if you, if you've gone

2823
03:27:13,445 --> 03:27:17,445
by the cookout demo, uh, it's on the ground. So they had a big pile of

2824
03:27:17,845 --> 03:27:21,725
concrete when I went that went by there today. So that's moving along. If you've

2825
03:27:21,965 --> 03:27:25,965
been by chick-fil-a, that's, that thing is getting ready to get erected here pretty darn quick. I see

2826
03:27:26,085 --> 03:27:30,045
they've got trusses already on the ground. Um, they've got pipes in the ground,

2827
03:27:30,605 --> 03:27:34,565
concrete's in the ground, uh, from what the owner operator's telling me they're shooting

2828
03:27:34,665 --> 03:27:38,365
for april. Unless the weather holds 'em up. I think we're gonna have a chick-fil-a

2829
03:27:38,885 --> 03:27:42,305
in april. 'cause it's moving along really, really quickly. Um,

2830
03:27:43,625 --> 03:27:47,605
and, uh, tommy's, uh, the new car wash is coming along

2831
03:27:48,425 --> 03:27:52,405
really, really quick. I was surprised how fast that thing is has been erected.

2832
03:27:52,785 --> 03:27:56,685
so, uh, anyway, got some great, great business coming. Hopefully we'll get

2833
03:27:56,875 --> 03:28:00,705
this, uh, we'll get this sheets coming through and, uh,

2834
03:28:00,925 --> 03:28:04,925
the public will get started here soon. Start generating some more revenue for the county

2835
03:28:05,145 --> 03:28:09,145
and take it off the backs of the taxpayers. Thank you. Thank you. Mr. Drewry

2836
03:28:10,065 --> 03:28:13,845
had a couple of items, um, wanted to start with discussion on, uh, primrose

2837
03:28:14,245 --> 03:28:17,845
school of yorktown last friday. Each of the board of supervisors

2838
03:28:18,505 --> 03:28:22,285
was able to drop by for the ribbon cutting that we held, uh, at primrose

2839
03:28:22,845 --> 03:28:26,565
school. Uh, it's owned by two us navy veterans, amber

2840
03:28:26,985 --> 03:28:30,815
and, uh, michael lemke. It's, uh, located on draft craft

2841
03:28:31,165 --> 03:28:35,125
and drive. Uh, it's primrose school is a us based network

2842
03:28:35,505 --> 03:28:39,405
of franchised accredited private preschools providing early

2843
03:28:39,675 --> 03:28:43,365
education, early childhood education. There are now over 550

2844
03:28:44,205 --> 03:28:47,825
of these schools across 36 states. The school officially opened

2845
03:28:48,355 --> 03:28:52,275
this morning with 56 students enrolled and will grow

2846
03:28:52,565 --> 03:28:55,965
to approximately 200 students currently employing 25

2847
03:28:56,615 --> 03:29:00,565
staff. And that will also grow to about 35 reason I

2848
03:29:00,685 --> 03:29:04,545
bring this up. In addition to, uh, giving a shout out to the fabulous couple who

2849
03:29:04,765 --> 03:29:08,765
have, uh, started up, uh, and are running the school, is the fact that it went from groundbreaking

2850
03:29:09,465 --> 03:29:13,005
to opening in seven months. In fact, 21

2851
03:29:13,685 --> 03:29:16,205
months from the initial site plan submission to completion,

2852
03:29:18,025 --> 03:29:21,765
the primrose school's franchise developer who was on site for that, uh, ribbon cutting,

2853
03:29:22,235 --> 03:29:25,485
made a point of pulling me aside and complimenting york county

2854
03:29:26,305 --> 03:29:30,185
on the ease and the speed of the approval process. He has worked all

2855
03:29:30,405 --> 03:29:34,135
over the us and has never encountered a location where

2856
03:29:34,485 --> 03:29:38,325
the complete submission has been so efficient. So kudos to our

2857
03:29:38,525 --> 03:29:42,405
staff and my appreciation to mark and his entire team for making this happen.

2858
03:29:43,665 --> 03:29:46,965
the board has made it a point over certainly the last couple of years to focus on streamlining

2859
03:29:48,185 --> 03:29:51,825
the approval process for new businesses. And this example stands

2860
03:29:52,305 --> 03:29:55,765
out representing the early successes of the county. So well done

2861
03:29:57,175 --> 03:30:00,845
discussion on property assessments. Homeowners in new york county have by now

2862
03:30:01,285 --> 03:30:04,805
received their property tax assessment and this is done on a two year cycle.

2863
03:30:06,265 --> 03:30:09,785
the last date of schedule, an informal review with the county assessment office

2864
03:30:10,785 --> 03:30:14,645
is january 27th and february 27th is the last

2865
03:30:14,825 --> 03:30:18,605
day to submit a formal application to the assessor's office. Should you choose

2866
03:30:18,905 --> 03:30:21,325
to pursue a formal appeal through board of equalization,

2867
03:30:23,025 --> 03:30:26,995
pay attention to your real estate assessment. I have personally reviewed over 500

2868
03:30:27,855 --> 03:30:31,765
homes in my district. By and large, the assessments are correct

2869
03:30:32,745 --> 03:30:36,485
and fair in terms of matching true market value. Based upon recent home sales

2870
03:30:36,765 --> 03:30:40,565
information, I've noted about one to 2% of the assessments, however,

2871
03:30:41,235 --> 03:30:45,185
have needed correction or rework. Now is the time to speak up if

2872
03:30:45,405 --> 03:30:49,005
you feel that you have been incorrectly assessed. My compliments to

2873
03:30:49,445 --> 03:30:53,195
christie pittman, the county assessor and her team within the assessment office. They've

2874
03:30:53,685 --> 03:30:57,365
been very thorough, responsive, and professional in dealing with the owner's

2875
03:30:57,765 --> 03:31:01,325
concerns. But if you have concerns, get them in quickly.

2876
03:31:02,705 --> 03:31:06,645
and finally, upcoming budget discussion. The board has begun to review or receive a

2877
03:31:06,765 --> 03:31:10,765
number of email correspondences on the budget. This can be done by going to york

2878
03:31:10,965 --> 03:31:14,685
county homepage and selecting budget information in the dropdown list

2879
03:31:15,105 --> 03:31:17,145
or email directly to bos@yorkcounty.gov.

2880
03:31:19,305 --> 03:31:23,105
and I encourage our citizens to reach out and express your concerns and

2881
03:31:23,325 --> 03:31:27,145
your compliments. We accept both and I will tell you that we pay attention to

2882
03:31:27,365 --> 03:31:30,925
the input. And as chair, I've already begun to, uh, provide direct feedback

2883
03:31:31,425 --> 03:31:35,045
to those citizens who've reached out. We'll have multiple opportunities

2884
03:31:35,625 --> 03:31:38,885
for public forums. Two of the meetings march 31 and april 2nd,

2885
03:31:39,915 --> 03:31:43,465
similar to last year, include one-on-one discussion with the board and

2886
03:31:43,965 --> 03:31:47,925
feedback from each supervisor at those meetings. These two meetings are held in the

2887
03:31:48,005 --> 03:31:51,925
upper county at griffin yates and the lower county at the york pcos and sheriff's office.

2888
03:31:52,915 --> 03:31:56,795
this is your chance to be heard aside from an election year. Take

2889
03:31:57,085 --> 03:32:00,425
advantage of these opportunities. Thank you, mr. Shepherd.

2890
03:32:01,755 --> 03:32:05,365
will you take us into closed session please? Okay. Uh, in accordance

2891
03:32:05,765 --> 03:32:09,685
with section 2.2 dash 37 11 a, one of the code of virginia,

2892
03:32:09,965 --> 03:32:13,805
I move that the board supervisors convene enclo meeting to provide

2893
03:32:14,285 --> 03:32:17,955
a per, uh, to consider a personnel matter involving appointment

2894
03:32:18,645 --> 03:32:22,605
of individuals to boards of commission. Okay. In accordance

2895
03:32:23,005 --> 03:32:27,005
with section, uh, 2.2 dash 37 11 a

2896
03:32:27,125 --> 03:32:30,885
three, the code of virginia, I moved, uh, that the board of supervisors

2897
03:32:31,685 --> 03:32:35,685
convene a closed meeting regarding real property use for a public

2898
03:32:35,925 --> 03:32:39,765
purpose, uh, specifically, uh, pertaining to

2899
03:32:40,345 --> 03:32:44,085
the possible acquisition of several parcels of real property for a public

2900
03:32:44,365 --> 03:32:48,305
purpose. Roll call please. Mrs.

2901
03:32:48,755 --> 03:32:52,625
noll? Yes. Mr. Drewry? Yes. Mr. Rome? Yes.

2902
03:32:53,225 --> 03:32:56,215
mr. Shepherd? Yes. Mr. Hoy? Yes. Motion carry

2903
03:32:58,105 --> 03:32:58,645
and I.