Good evening. I'll call the, uh, regular meeting of the, uh, york county board of supervisors
meeting to order. And we have had a, an accident on 17
that's resulted in a number of people not being able to make it here on time. We're gonna immediately go to
recess and resume once we have sufficient quorum.
we resume the meeting of the, uh, york county, uh, board of supervisors january 20th.
I thought I had the shortest, uh, rec meeting on record, but, uh,
that didn't last long. We now have, uh, quorum. I'll call for roll
call, please. Mr. Roy?
yes. Mrs. Noll? Yes. Here. Mr.
drury. Present. Mr. R. Here. Mr. Shepherd. Here. Mr.
chairman, you have a quorum. Thank you. We'll now move to the, uh, invocation.
uh, brian fuller will lead us in prayer.
please join me in prayer. Father, we can do thanks for
this day and for the many blessings, opportunities, and even challenges
you have bestowed upon us. Thank you also for the freedom
and opportunities you have graciously provided, which allow us to gather
this evening to consider county business. Give us we pray wisdom
and discernment as we consider each business item, and help us to
make good decisions that we have a positive impact upon our
citizens and the county as a whole. We humble prayer in your holy name. Amen.
amen. Mrs. Noel, if you would take us through
the, uh, pledge
allegiance to the flag, the united states of america,
and to the republic for which it stands. One nation
individual with liberty and justice for all.
first on our, uh, presentations tonight, we have, uh, service recognition.
I'm gonna turn the mic over to my vice chair. He will lead us through that. And I will go
to the podium. That's me.
that's you. Okay. Thanks.
service recognition. Uh, the first one that will be, uh, for 35 years
of service, assistant chief, an anthony prada,
fire and life safety chief baldwin.
thank you, mr. Shepherd. Mr. Horo, members of the board of supervisors, thank
you for the opportunity to recognize chief prader for his 35 years of service to the county
and, and the department of fire and life safety. Chief pto joined us
back in january of 1991, rose to the ranks, serving as lieutenant several
different captains assignments, positions, and was promoted to his current role
as assistant chief of support services in june of 2018.
thank you. Had each other several times over the years. Always
a pleasure. I have a gift for you, chief baldwin,
if you can join us for the photos
you can. And
then we'll both find out what's in there. , that's
your certificate in pen.
thanks, kim.
thank okay. For, uh,
next recognition for 20 years of service is master deputy
sheriff investigator david schafer, your county sheriff's department,
the sheriff montgomery wade. You're doing the presentation. Okay.
good evening, mr. Holloway. Members of the board. It's my privilege tonight to introduce
you to master deputy investigator david schafer. David
was hired by the york percussion sheriff's office in december of 2005.
he had spent his prior two years in law enforcement with portsmouth. Just
before that. Since he's come to the sheriff's office, he's been a patrol deputy.
he was a member of the sheriff's office bike team, field training officer, general instructor.
and in 2017, he was promoted to his current rank of investigator.
while he is been in investigations, he's been assigned to the homeland
security human trafficking task force, and he's also our drug investigator.
while he was a member of the homeland security human trafficking task force, he was
part of the team that led the prosecution and the successful prosecution
of the largest labor trafficking case to date in the commonwealth of virginia. That
occurred, sadly, here in york county, but he was responsible for putting four individuals
in jail as a result of his investigation. He's
joined tonight by his wife, kendra, his son, grant. He has a daughter, peyton, who's
at home not feeling too well tonight, so she couldn't make it. So please join me and congratulating
investigator david schafer. Thank, thank you very much,
sheriff. If you could join us
certificate and pin and we thank you for your service.
thank you. Thank you. Sure. Thank you. And
that's all we have for the, um, presentation recognitions. Uh,
we'll now move to the state of the norfolk airport and introduce,
uh, let's see. Mark perryman. Where? Mark, where are you?
oh, there he is. Okay. I just saw him the other day. Uh, he's the president and chief
executive officer of the norfolk airport authority. Welcome.
is that mine? Yep.
we got it. This keyboard out.
thank you, uh, commissioners. And mr. Shepherd, always good to see you again.
very happy to be here. And, uh, giving, giving you the state of the, uh, airport, our
own, uh, norfolk international, or more commonly known as orf.
we love our orf, don't we? So, um,
I got a little presentation about, uh, 15 minutes, and then I'll be glad to take
any questions you have from, uh, the commissioners or even their audience if you'd like. Um,
what I'd like to usually start with is a little bit of history of who we are. 'cause a lot of people
are confused about who the norfolk international, uh, airport authority
is. We're actually an independent subdivision of the commonwealth virginia. We're not a department
of the city, uh, or anyone else. Uh, we are an independent co, uh,
subdivision of the commonwealth. Uh, we do have a board of commissioners that are
appointed by the norfolk city council, but that's really where our tie with the
city of norfolk, uh, starts and stops. Many, many years ago, we started as
municipal airport, but that has, uh, since changed, you know, decades and decades
ago. The airport itself is, uh, independently owned and operated by
the authority. So we own the land and we operate the airport independent of, uh,
any other jurisdiction. What I like to say is we're really a city within
the cities that surround us in hampton roads, and we really service
all 17 cities and counties, uh, of hampton roads, including the
three counties and the cities down in, uh, northeast, uh, north carolina,
the outer banks and and whatnot. Uh, we just like you,
and we, we have a, a, a large employment of about 230 personnel
and growing. Uh, we have our own police and fire, as well as our own,
uh, uh, basically public works, janitorial building, maintenance field maintenance and
everything else. So everything that a city really does and has as a function
or a county, uh, the airport does as well. Uh, we, the only thing we really get
is mutual aid from virginia beach and, and city of norfolk when we have large
incidents that may occur at the airport. Otherwise, we're pretty well self-contained.
but that's where we kind of start and stop as a, a, um, acting
like a municipal jurisdiction or a governmental entity. We really are acting
more like a business. We incur costs, uh, we earn revenue,
and we really are self-sustaining. We receive no tax dollars other than
what we generate from parking and our other revenue sources. So we didn't, we don't
get any local taxes or subsidies. That's where we differ. We have police power, condemnation
power, but we don't have the power to tax otherwise, we'd be a municipality.
so, uh, that's how close we come. But we're not quite, so our, our major
sources of revenue come from our parking, and that's, uh, that's one thing we
control, just like you do in the, in as well, and other municipalities do.
and then, uh, what surprises people is that the airlines only pay for about 15%
through their landing fees for our operating costs.
uh, and so we, it's really, we have to generate our operating
budget, which is about $80 million, uh, this year. And then we have a
capital budget of about 250 million right now and growing. Uh,
and I'll talk a little bit about that as we go. Um,
as a entity, we also have a great impact on the entire region and
the region's economic, uh, via, via via, uh, viability
and volatility. Um, we have commissioned odus
dragus center to do an economic impact study. They've now done it for a couple of years for
us, and have found that about $2.7 billion of
economic activity is generated by the airport alone. And that comes into
earnings and, um, jobs and everything else. We, we, we account for
nearly 22,000 jobs, uh, associated with the airport
directly the airlines. Uh, and, and you can kind of go out from there to your
secondary and tertiary impacts. But, um, we are currently
underway with about a billion dollar development program, 993 million
to be exact, at the present time. So, uh, we're pretty excited about
that. And I'll talk a little bit more about that in a moment. When I
first got here, it's just a little under four years now. April will be four years for me.
um, I brought in, I, I came in with the idea that we needed to start benchmarking
ourselves against other airports around the country and around the world. 'cause
we're an international airport after all. So there's a program, an international program called
skyras, and I enrolled us in that, not so much to get the accolades, but really
it's an independent audit company that comes in and audits your,
your airport and tells you, this is what you do good. This is what you do, okay. And this
is where you really need to improve. And that was really, uh, a very, uh,
positive tool for us as we started to develop our development program and plans
surprising to us, I thought we'd probably get a three star or somewhere in that
vicinity. We are a four star airport. Mind you, there are only seven, four
star airports in the entire country, and we're one of them. And so we're very
proud of that. And I attribute that to my very talented and devoted
staff who take care of that airport day in and day out. What's more surprising
is we get benchmarked against other airports around the world. So we are, we're
considered a really, a domestic oriented airport. We have very little international,
small eye, as I call it, versus a lot of other airports. So we got,
uh, uh, evaluated against other domestic oriented airports around
the world. And we are, we're considered the fourth best domestic airport
in the world. Uh, and if you look at the list to, to, um, tokyo
haida, uh, osaka, and, uh, chendu, those are all in
far east asia, uh, china and japan. So when you
peel it all away, we're the best domestic airport in the country. And
all of north america. We're very proud of that. And you can see some of the other us airports
right behind us, dallas, left field, chicago, midway and kansas city.
and mind you, kansas city just spent $2 billion on a brand new terminal. And
so we ranked above them even. Um, now talk a
little bit about the commercial aviation market. Uh, 'cause that's what we are in.
uh, you may have seen here recently. Uh, the, in the, in the news in the media
that we just reported, our best year, again, ever.
this is the fourth year running that. We've had a record year, albeit
this year, not by much, only about six tenths of 1% above last year.
and I can, you can see two little dips there on the chart in, on the red line.
one of 'em was last february. Uh, we had a leap. We were coming off a leap year.
so we're one day short in our activity, and that surprises people. But that
counts for a little bit of, uh, uh, decline as well. That's when we
got hit by the snowstorm last, uh, last year. Um, even though
we never closed airlines, preemptively canceled. And so we lost activity
there. And then you'll look again in november, where we were down about five, a little over
5%. You can probably imagine the government shutdown had an impact on
us. And even though the government shutdown started in october, people had
already booked flights and they were already planning. But by november, people were starting to pull back
because they, nobody knew when it was really gonna end. And so
we can see we rebounded very quickly, uh, from that and had, uh, another
good, uh, december and rounded out the year very well. Um,
one of the things that is, is great about our airport is the number of nonstop destinations.
we now have 45, uh, actually I should revise. I need to revise that. We're now
up to 47 nonstop destinations here shortly with the,
uh, san juan, puerto rico and cancun being added. Our
first international and our near international with san juan.
uh, what's important about that, uh, chart to the, on your right there is
where we stand. We're about middle of the pack there with 45.
every airport on that list is bigger than we are. And if you
look down a little, just a little way, san jose, california only has 41 nonstops.
that's an airport that's twice our size, more than twice our size. Milwaukee, memphis,
all airports larger than us. And we have more nonstop destinations.
a lot of that is attributed to breeze airways, who we landed about four years
ago and have brought 20 nonstop destinations to us
and growing. They're the ones also who just brought, brought us cancun. And I think
we soon we'll see more international caribbean destinations from
them. But we're not stopping there. Here's a list of our top 50
destinations, uh, that passengers fly to. You can see on
the left hand side, that's our top 25. We almost have that one
rounded out. We need seattle and san, san antonio, texas. And then we'd have
all top 25 nonstops. And then on the right hand side is
the rest of the top 50. We'll, never probably quite get that, because I don't think we're
gonna fly nonstop to honolulu, our number 34 destination,
although we'd love to do that. But I think we'll fill, start filling that
out a lot more as we are dropping the greenland bars off of that as we go.
and then international, there's been a lot of talk about what we're doing internationally and trying to
fly transatlantic. Uh, we, as I said, we just started, we're now
two weeks into our cancun operations and things are going smoothly
and growing there. Um, but we are still actively chasing our
transatlantic routes. And I think, uh, within the next year or two
at the most, we may land that, but it's gonna take a coalition
of the entire hampton roads region to be able to do that. 'cause as you can see
on the right hand side, here's where we compete with other airports around the
country. Kansas city, jacksonville, san antonio, comas, all larger markets than
us, uh, that are also competing for transatlantic service. So we're, this
is where airports compete, transatlantic service in particular. And you can see
richmond's just a couple of notches down below us. But we still have a stronger, uh,
demand for transatlantic service than they do. As I mentioned.
uh, we're in the game. We're, we, we will win this service at some point,
but it's gonna take a coalition of our local governments and cbbs our businesses
and development agencies. The general assembly plays a role in this as well, as
well as the authority itself. Uh, it is gonna take all of us together to land
those international flights. 'cause we have to show that airline that we mean
business, that we are gonna back that service at
least initially while it's getting started. And so it's gonna take a lot to be able to do that,
and it's gonna really require all of us. But we do have the demand. We've,
we've proven that we can fill two flights a week to,
uh, somewhere in europe, whether it be dublin, london, paris,
uh, frankfurt, somewhere, uh, or even revic iceland would get us into
the network of, of airlines. And what we're really trying to do there is, and I'll
use the example of if you try to go to prague from here, you're going to change
planes at least twice, if not three times. If we can get from here to dublin,
you can get from dublin to prague. So that's the kind of change in dynamic
that it changes, uh, for our, our traveling public. And likewise,
them coming here is a big change for them. So let's
talk a little bit about the future of orf and where we're going in this billion dollar development
program. Uh, some recently completed projects, we just, uh,
recently closed runway 1432. That was our crosswind runway.
uh, it was not being used very much, very, very little because
it's so short. And with our air carrier fleet changing, it can no longer
accommodate commercial air service. So we closed that runway because that
runway takes a lot to maintain and upkeep. And so we have
a lot of development, other development that we need to, to do there to be able to, uh,
accommodate, uh, the growth that we are having. Uh, the moving sidewalks. That
was the number one complaint when I arrived. Uh, when I met the public. When are we gonna
get our moving sidewalks back? I said, well, if we, if the federal feds will help out,
we'll do it. And sure enough, they did. And those are now operational as of, uh, earlier
last year. And then, uh, we have shoreline. We are surrounded
by water on three sides of the airport. So we have very similar to, to
a lot of, uh, the land around here have to concern ourselves with our
shoreline. And so we just did a shoreline replacement project, uh, late last year. And,
and it was very successful as well. Some of the projects
that are just ongoing are just wrapping up. Uh, we just finished, uh, we're at
the punch list stage of our interior wayfinding. If you've been to the airport recently, you've
seen these new bright lit signs where you can find your way around
as, uh, opposed to the old bei on bei on beige, as I used to call it.
uh, we're about to open three new gates on the a concourse, uh,
which american airlines has agreed. And they're gonna be moving into. This is gonna be a brand
new space. Bright, uh, high ceilings and windows. It's not
gonna be as enclosed as our current hold rooms. And then next
week, we hope, uh, we'll have the final punch list and approval to open
our new federal inspection services or our new international arrivals
facility, which customs and board of protection will be moving into. And so that's
pretty exciting for us as well. And then a few of the projects that we're
have just recently started that are, are really getting into the large dollar,
uh, tick ticket items of our capital development program. Uh, we're gonna be
improving the intersection as you come in right now, as you, as you know, you come across the
norview avenue bridge and which direction do I go? It's a y and it's
like, it's very confusing. We have a lot of accidents there. And then also the robin
hood road connection. That is, if you come off of that, uh, we're gonna be straightening,
straightening all that out, creating a brand new lighted and signaled intersection,
uh, as the new gateway into the airport. Very easy to find and easy to
navigate through. Um, that's one of the reasons why all the trees started to
come down at the front entrance to the airport. The other reason is the second project was
our consolidated rental car facility. Right now, they're housed within our two
floors of our, uh, a garage. Um, they're
out of room. And our, the, as our growth grow, as passengers grow, also
the rental cars grow, and we really don't have any more room to accommodate them within the parking
structure without taking more parking away from our patrons. And we don't want to do that.
um, in addition, they have to service every vehicle that comes in and needs to be
vacuumed, washed and, and, and fueled. They have to drive it three
miles down to military highway to a facility and then bring it back, which delays the
turnover of vehicles. So we're building a brand new state-of-the-art, consolidate
a rental car facility, which will have a wash rack and fueling station right within, built
within the campus so that they never have to leave with the, to service the
vehicles. And it's, it also increases the capacity of value, about
35 to 40%. So we have plenty of growth for the future years,
and project has started as well. And that's also going in that area where the
trees have been recently removed. And then finally, the, the, uh, other project that
will be starting later this year, which is the new departures terminal, we're going
to take the two wings on either side and bring the, build a new building off
the front. And so it'll basically parallel the back claim
building. And we'll have one curb, so there's no longer which curb do I go down for which
airline. So it'll be much more convenient for everybody to, uh, navigate
through the airport. And then that also provides a lot of other opportunities of
consolidating our rental car or not our consolidating our checkpoint tsa
checkpoint. Instead of having the two, we'll have one. And so that once you're behind
security, you can go to a or b without any problems. Uh, along with that, we
are, uh, just getting started on a brand new concessions program. You may have
also heard a lot about that. Uh, we're gonna be having a lot of new local
restaurants, uh, and shops, uh, to the hampton roads area
within the airport of cova brewing, if you know that. Uh,
town city, town city cold press, uh,
oh, hope the ghost kitchen, uh, which is a food truck that will be their first brick
and mortar. And so we're helping a young entrepreneur. You'll
bring a restaurant up. And so we're gonna be doing that in the, uh, in the airport.
it's also happens to be the most popular food truck we have at the airport, so
it's gonna be great there. So there's just a few of the projects that we have underway.
and here's just a little video and I turn,
there you go. So this is what it will look like as you're crossing into norview.
here's that new interchange that I referenced. The new orf
signage that it comes in.
wave finding will be much easier with the high overhead gantry signs and
things of that nature. We're gonna keep, we're gonna bring trees back, but there'll
be more street scaped and appropriate as a boulevard.
and then what you've seen in front of you now is the new consolidated rental car
facility. You'll actually enter that from the robin hood roadside,
'cause we don't want to have as many street penetrations on the boulevard coming into the
airport. So you'll enter and exit that on the robin hood road,
uh, uh, side road.
and on the left you can see the existing arrivals, uh, building, uh, where your bad
claim is today. And then on the left hand side is the new, uh, departures
building. Uh, there, this is a little outdated. Uh, we've now extended that
building a little bit more so that we have more, uh, drop off, uh, curb front. Um,
this still had a little bit of the side to side, but, uh, we're, that's being
changed as we speak, uh, because we actually got a better price
from our contractor. Uh, so we're able to do more for less
in that moment. Here you can enter the, the new ticketing hall
your driver drives, like we stuff and .
so this is our new ticketing hall and, uh, vertical circulation change
where escalators and elevators will be moved to here. One central location that you'll
go up, you can see the high ceilings. Uh, that little
bridge that you see there, that's part of the existing pedestrian bridge that'll be brought inside.
and then you'll see the ticketing is, uh, uh, much more,
uh, pull that down on the right. There was at the, that's the original that'll
be actually brought around to the front. That's the one change that, uh, we just
recently made. Um, and so here's the new ticketing hall out
front. And then also this side will, uh, is swinging out as well.
so there'll be less, you won't go as far back into the building as you do today.
so all the way down where southwest is on one side and united is on
the other, those will become other functions within the airport. So it'll just be
a little, little u shape is what it's gonna become.
good morning. If we can go to questions now, we are a little bit behind. Okay. Okay.
I all, this is on transform f.com and you can go out and take
a look. So start on my right. Mrs. No, thank,
thank you very much. I wondered if hrbt has affected the passenger
travel from the peninsula. Um, it,
I, I don't say that it has necessarily, but it will, once
the tunnels open up, we anticipate much, much more traffic free,
free flowing down. Um, it's an optimistic point of view. I agree with you,
. Well, given the current state of, uh, phf and
its number of flights, I, I, I pretty much think, you know, it's gonna be us or going
north to richmond is, is gonna be the option. I think a lot go to richmond right now
in the peninsula. Absolutely. So it'll may change. We'll see. Yep. Thank you so much. You
bet. Yeah, just, uh, kind of anecdotal, um,
information. My daughter goes to richmond, the fly to boston, and I found out the other
day that we, jetblue flies from here directly to boston. This is a lot closer.
so she's gonna come, start going over there now. Save her an hour trip,
basically. Absolutely. Well, we were just talking about this today in staff meeting
that, um, the addition of jet, one of the reasons we lose, we lost so
much traffic to richmond was jetblue because we didn't have jetblue. They did.
and a lot of people are very loyal to airlines as we know. Jetblue
just went, started with one trip to boston. Um, starting this
next month, they will be flying boston, fort lauderdale and san juan, puerto rico.
so they see something in orf and they're now gonna grow. I think
they're kind of kicking themselves from limiting the themselves to richmond for so
long. Right. The, um, so the uh, um, and the
construction, the tunnel will be done in 27, so that should take care of
that problem. Um, and, uh, I'm just wondering, you
gonna be able to handle, if there's an expansion of, uh, you know, the terminals where
you have to like, you know, you go down to atlanta, whatever, and they got these wings of, you
know, terminal a, terminal b and all that, you be able to do that. We've got plenty of,
uh, with this new program that we're developing this billion dollars we're investing,
we will have plenty of capacity to handle, uh, twice the passengers
we do today. Okay. Well great. Mark, thank you very much for coming. Thank you,
wayne. Yeah, thanks for coming. I appreciate the,
uh, update. Uh, a lot of exciting stuff going on. It looks like you're
doing a great job. So keep that up. Um, I, for 1:00 am
uh, looking forward to more international flights so I don't have to drive to washington
to get out of dulles. Uh, 'cause that's, uh, a nightmare trying
to go up there. So I'm looking forward to some of those international trips coming right out. Know,
so let's get that tunnel done so I don't have to fight that either, so. Absolutely.
but thanks for your time. You bet. Alright. Yeah, thanks for the,
uh, overview. Very informative. I learned a few things. Um, your
staff does a great job, uh, providing an enjoyable travel experience once you're at the airport.
thank you. But getting the airport, and you touched upon this a little bit and be a bit of a stressor
mm-hmm . Are there opportunities that work with local municipalities, city of norfolk
vdot to try to find ways to get your travelers to your
facility easier and less stressful? Well, um, one of the things,
and, and I just noticed this, and, and mr. Shepherd was there at the last meeting where we went over
the, um, h tpos, the tip and that, you know,
that's key to getting any surface and interchange, uh,
modifications done. Uh, we do have a modification, uh,
request in for the robinhood military highway. Right now, it's, it's
not a fully functioning interchange. So if you're leaving
the airport and trying to go east and south, you have to go to norview. Uh,
with, with that, we're gonna try to get that fixed at robinhood road. The one
thing I didn't say is we're straightening out robinhood road with the runway closure. We're gonna
bring that straight across, and so we're gonna improve that corridor, which doesn't have
all the lights, doesn't have all the residences like you see on norview.
and I think it'll provide a, a better experience for most travelers coming to
the airport and much easier to get in and out of. Okay. Good to hear. Thanks. Yeah. Okay,
mark, great presentation. Thank you for coming and sharing that with us. You have one question. Sure.
how many corporate jets do you handle in a, in a day or a week? Uh, we
have 88 based aircraft there. About half of those are small single engine
piston and the rest are corporate jets. Uh, on any given day, we're
probably, you know, 40 to 50 corporate
flights a day. Uh, we have quite a bit. And we are, we just, um,
with the offshore wind project, uh, that's going on with dominion, uh,
heli services is a new company, uh, that's based out of new england. They're
actually gonna set up an operation here to service that dominion, wind, wind farm, and they're
gonna be flying, uh, 10 helicopters or more a day out to the
wind farm just to service that. And so they're gonna be at orf as well.
we've often heard of schooling being a reason people move to this area, but ease of, uh,
of airport traffic is another big reason why a lot of people absolutely. In this
area. And with all these changes and plans, we're just, we're not gonna change
who we are as an airport and what we are as an airport. We just wanna make it easier and
better for our public. I was just gonna add on to that, what we've learned, uh, from
some of our, uh, time spent with other municipalities around here.
companies are also looking for that ease of transport in and out of
locations. And, uh, this is ideal for, uh, for anybody in the new york county region.
absolutely. Thank you for your time. You bet. Thank you so much.
next on presentations we have, um, budget mid-year review.
susan goodwin will lead, uh, that discussion.
good evening. Tonight I'll be reviewing our midyear financial
forecast. Uh, we're halfway through the fiscal year, so we have enough financial
activity to forecast what we think where we're gonna land at the end of this year with revenues and expenditures.
so, um, as the board is aware, we're consistently doing budget monitoring to make sure
that the assumptions that we made the budget are tracking how we would expect.
and so we do that, um, through a variety of different ways from
running, um, projections. After each, uh, payroll is run
to running different revenue and expense trend reports to having, uh,
systems within our financial system to stop overspending accounts
so that, you know, it prevents that from happening. All of those practices help us,
um, monitor the budget and help us develop the next year's budget based on what changes
we're seeing. Tonight I'm
gonna be focusing on general fund, uh, which is the primary operating fund of the county.
and when we're looking at the general fund, um, there's over 200 individual revenue line
items, but the revenues listed here are our key revenues and make up about 92%
of our budget.
so the first is real estate tax revenue, and that is our largest single revenue source
and the general fund, um, you'll see here
on this chart that we have the last four years of actual activity, our budget for
fy 26, and then the light is blue is where our projection for
where we think we're gonna land this year based
on the first half collections. You know, collections real estate are in december and june. So we've got
our first half collected. We are currently projecting real estate tax
to, uh, finish above budget by 1.2 million.
uh, the next thing that we always talk about when we talk about real estate tax, um, that goes hand
in hand with it, is the disabled veterans tax relief. Uh, and we talk about
that in concert with the real estate tax revenue because it does represent a, a large
portion of our, uh, real estate tax revenue. Um,
this tax exemption started in 2011 and it has grown significantly
since then. Uh, in the past year alone, the total exemptions have increased by $1 million,
um, at 5 million, uh, for 2025. That represents almost 4 cents
on the tax rate because we have a higher concentration of
of veterans in this area. We do anticipate that we're gonna continue to see growth
like this in the exemption program. And what is the disabled tax relief if
you include personal property? It, that brings it up another 1.3 million,
so 6.4 mm-hmm . Speaking of
personal property, um, like real estate, we collect this in
december and in june, and based on the collections today, we're expecting this to fall
just a little short of our budget by about $300,000 for the
year. Public
service corporations or utility companies like, you know, power gas,
telecommunications, and those are valued by the state. And we receive those valuations in
september each year. You can see we had a spike in 25. Uh, we backed the budget
down in 26 because we thought it would kind of stabilize and it did.
we got those, uh, values in september and we are tracking to be right on budget at 3.7 million.
so now I'm gonna kind of talk through our other local taxes and how they're trending. I provided this
slide just to show, um, all the, the state code, um, references
that give the county the authority to collect these taxes. Thanks.
um, the state collects 6% sales tax from retailers and distributes
1% of that to the county. Uh, at this time we only have collections through october,
so that trails quite a bit. Um, and based on those collections, we're expecting to fall
short of our fy 26 estimate by about $300,000.
we think some of this may be attributable to the government shutdown in october. Uh,
we'll have our november collections soon, and so we'll be able to see if that's kind of
rebounded. But right now, based on that trend, we think it's gonna fall a little short.
the historic triangle tax, um, um, in addition to the 6% sales
tax, we do the 1% historic triangle tax in williamsburg, james city county, and
york county. 50% of that revenue is deposited directly into the state
historic triangle fund. The other half, which is displayed here, is deposited into
our general fund and we're expecting to meet that budget of 6 million.
and that's the 50%? That's 50%, yes. That's 6 million
or that is what we get 50. That's 50% and that's 50%? Mm-hmm . Okay.
the other 6 million goes to the state.
so meals tax of 4% is charged on prepared food and beverages.
50% of our meals tax in the county is goes to support capital
projects for, uh, storm water, sewer, and water. The other half
is what you're looking at here that goes directly to the general fund. Um, this
one here is, we're projecting about $80,000 below
what our budget is for the year. Um, similar to sales tax, it may be
a little bit of slow down from the government shutdown. Um, but we,
we will have a better idea, uh, soon when we get a couple more months of collections.
lodging tax of 5% is paid for any, uh, room rented on a short term basis.
60% of the revenues, um, are earmarked for tourism activities per state
code. The remaining 40%, which is what we show here, um,
is allocated to the general fund. And we are expecting to meet budget this year.
business license revenue is due annually on march 1st, and it's based on
a business's gross receipts for the proceeding calendar year. So we haven't started
collecting these yet, but we do expect to slightly exceed budget just based on
uh, uh, what we're seeing so far.
so what does this mean for our total revenue projection for 26?
here you can see all those categories I've talked about. In total,
we expect a minimal revenue surplus, about 800,000, which is
less than 1% of our revenue budget.
and here, uh, we show all the expenditures by, by type,
um, and we are projecting some modest savings in several of those, um,
categories, totaling about $2.1 million.
so when you take those two together, the revenue surplus and the expenditure sur surplus, it
totals about 2.9 million or 1.5% of our
adopted budget. What falls into the personal, uh,
services category? That's salaries and benefits. Okay,
that makes sense. And so to put that in perspective, um,
on how we compare to prior year surplus, um, I wanted to show
what our surplus has been since fy 20. Of course we had the spike in the covid year,
uh, when we had a lot of one time, excuse me, one time funding cares
and, and arpa. But since 23 it's kind of returned to pre pandemic levels.
you can see here this year at 2.9 million. It's looking a little bit lower than we've
seen in the last couple years. But again, if things we're gonna continue to monitor that data
as we get those collections on sales and meals and adjust, um, you
know, as we see fit, and again, that will help inform us further our fy 27
budget.
that's all I had. Any questions?
start over on my, uh, left. Any questions wayne?
yeah. Right back to where you were at the, uh, surplus history. Uh,
it's looks like it's dropped down from six, almost 7 million to
around three. What's the, what was, what's the cause of that? Are we
projecting? Yeah, well you might recall last year we were projecting around three, which
is, you know, our budget team does a phenomenal job of getting it close. You
need to be conservative 'cause you don't wanna, you know, push it too much and then, you know, have to
adjust your, your budget during the year, uh, because you don't have enough revenue.
but they do a really good job of getting pretty close within this time, we're looking at one and a
half percent. Last year at this time we were budgeting about $3 million surplus,
but with the fy 26 budget, we did change the tax rate and
so we got half that collection in 25 that we wouldn't have expected
because of the timing of the tax rate increase. Mm-hmm . So last
year we really ended with 3.9 million before you factored in the effect of
the tax increase. So all I'm saying is it's tracking similarly
to it as it did last year. Okay.
anything else? Not right now, david. Yeah, so 2.9%
is 1.5 of the general fund, 1.5% of the general fund,
correct. 2.9 million, yes. Mm-hmm . Okay. What, what is our normal target for
a surplus or for a general? It's, it's higher than that. Well, I
don't, I wouldn't say that we have a target for a surplus. Um, you know, we, we are,
you know, budget conservatively to make sure that we don't have any, you know, unexpected,
uh, changes during the year. Um, but I wouldn't say we budget for a surplus.
I mean, we want some cushion and I think $3 million is, is is pretty close.
the finance director might have a different, uh, opinion on that. Right. That's what I was getting at. Mm-hmm .
our comfort level as far as is reasonable comfortable at
$3 million or did we look for a larger cushion
for unexpected sewer sewer line breaks that we gotta
pay for? Yeah, I mean we, things like that mean, you know, it's a fair question and I think
maybe around 5 million would've feel would, uh, we, we'd like to see that,
um, the board will call at the end of the year. We look at that surplus
to help us in lots of ways. One time funding for capital projects. And so, and we
count on that in our cip when we're doing that planning of allocating part of that
surplus to the cip. So in that regard, we do want to have some there, but it's
a, you know, delicate balance to budget conservatively but not overestimate
so that, you know, you have a, a giant surplus, um, at any given year, so.
right. I know I'm not really answering the question, but is it is, well you gave me an idea, but
we need to have something there. Should something catastrophic happen during the year
and we have something to fall back on and if mm-hmm . And if nothing catastrophic happens and it goes to
pay down debt to courts capital projects, so right. It works that there.
you mentioned earlier about the impact the federal government shut down had on some of our numbers.
and I'm asking you to look into a crystal ball a little bit here, but how
exposed are we with our budget and the cycle we're at?
should we see ano another government shut down here in the near future, or?
well, it, it de our consumer sensitive revenues really are affected by things like
that. And so we see people starting to react and change their habits and,
you know, outside of real estate and personal property, uh, the next largest, uh,
revenue sources are those consumer sensitive ones. And so it is a concern,
um, you know, again, with only having collections through october
for sales tax, it's kind of hard to say, uh, we think the indicators are that it's
rebounding, um, but it is something we're always paying close attention to. And I will
say in addition to the surplus, you know, the, the county does have a fund balance policy,
so we have a reserve for if there was something catastrophic that would occur. So we
don't rely on the surplus for that. We do have, you know, fund balance, you know, set
reserve set aside as part of our financial policies to make sure policies to make
sure that in the case of an emergency we can pull on that. Right. Uh, this just can add
to it or help with some of that one time funding. Right. Okay. Alright. Thank you. You know
what that reserve fund is approximately?
it's, uh, yeah, 22 million.
okay. Ish. 12% of our total, um, general fund
budget is what the target is at the end of each year for unassigned fund balance.
okay. Thanks susan. I'm
looking at the projected 26, uh, surplus is 1.5.
historically, how much has it our surplus been over, let's say
the last five years? Percent wise? Percent wise? Yeah. I mean, I think it's anywhere
from like two to six, 4%. Yeah.
I mean two to four. Two to 4%. Yeah. And so, I mean, again,
that's pretty close if you think about how we're, you know, that's what I'm
thinking about. Yeah, I mean it's not, uh, again, it's the balance
of, of getting close and a lot of times, you know, we'll have vacancies, vacancies during the
year, so we know we're gonna, you know, usually see something in the
expenditure category that helps toward that. Um, so again, it's just, it's just
finding that balance and sometimes the times things don't happen the way that we expect, you know,
we wouldn't have necessarily anticipated a, a government shutdown for
as long as it was mm-hmm . Um, so that's contributing as well.
thank you. Now I'm good, thanks.
I'm actually good as well. Okay. Most of my questions have been answered already. Thank you, susan.
at this point we'll move to, uh, citizen comment period.
uh, first speaker I have is pam poeo.
good evening. My name is pam poeo. I reside at 1 0 3 kimberly court. Yorktown.
imagine walking down the street and passing an alleyway. You see a woman being
raped. Do you ignore it and hurry on your way? Or do you call 9 1 1 and
try to stop the attack? If you do nothing, you are just as guilty as the
rapist. When asked why he was stalling the release of the epstein files,
trump said, my friends will get hurt. Yes, he's concerned about the
rapists, not the victims. Maga republicans knew trump was
a convicted felon and sexual assaulter. He hired undocumented aliens at his resorts
and construction sites. He was convicted of defrauding people with his trump
foundation in trump university. He tried to overthrow an election that over
60 courts, 50 governors, and numerous recounts said
was not rigged, which he refused to accept. He was responsible for
an insurrection that resulted in 140 law enforcement officers being injured in
the deaths of five people. He promised, pardon the attackers,
trump's laws lies every time he opens his mouth. You knew what
he was and you just didn't care. Trump said, of respecting international
law, the only thing that can stop me is my own morality. My own mind
of which he has neither trump is using the depraved thugs
of ice and border patrol to frighten, intimidate, harass, assault, and murder, both
immigrants and us citizens, including children invading our states and
cities with democratic governors and mayors. Virginia will be next on the hit
list. This is an unconstrained madman who thrives on chaos
and engages in actions to intimidate, silence and extort the news media,
law firms, museums, universities, art institutions, libraries,
large corporations and foreign nations. Trump is a murderer of those
who are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. He is on
a revenge and retribution, retribution crusade for those who have not been the
need to. His malignant narcissism trump's very own heinrich himler.
steven miller said, we live in the real world that is governed by power.
these are the iron laws of the world. Since the beginning of time he went on
to say that as a superpower, we have the right to take what we want when we want.
laws are for the weak minded greenland, cuba, columbia, mexico,
and canada are in his sights for conquest. Trump said of his reasoning
for seizing greenland. It is psychologically important to me.
he is threatening nato countries with tariffs who do not bow down. Our president
of war can't get over being denied the nobel peace, peace prizes.
trump's ego must always be stroked trump pardons sex and drug
traffickers. Yet he goes after madura. Why? Because he will somehow profit from the
oil reserves and he is p****d off that madura was successful in his overthrow
of a federal election while trump failed. After trump's world war ii,
we will have the equivalent of the nuremberg trials school children will ask why
no one stopped trump and his minions. How will you explain your acquiescence?
our house is on fire and all you want to do is break out the marshmallows.
thank you. Next
I have, uh, victoria kennedy of colonial casa
state your name and address please. Three minutes. Good
evening. My name is victoria kennedy. I'm with colonial casa 39 17
midlands road. And williamsburg, I wanted to just
take a moment to thank you. First of all, casa stands for court appointed
special advocates program and we, um, train
recruit volunteers to advocate for children who've been abused and neglected.
and for over 18 years, the county has been supporting our organization
so that we can appoint these volunteers to children to ensure
that they have their best interest known.
we work collaboratively with the courts, with guardian ad litems and
with the department of social services. And it is because of you all putting
us on your line item for over 18 years that we can
continue doing what we do for these vulnerable children. And I'm just here tonight
to say thank you. Thank you.
next we have, uh, daniel lab brando.
again, uh, state your name and address. Three minutes.
uh, good evening. My name is daniel lab brando. Uh, my address is 1500
seaford road, um, here in seaford. So, um,
I've recently undertook a ambitious project at my residence,
uh, to address some unchecked erosion
occurring at a fairly alarming rate. Uh, to be honest, uh,
to this end, I'm having areas along my bank be reinforced with rip wrap and
about 200 linear feet of living shoreline. Um,
I don't think I have the time really now to explain the nuances of each of these and, and what
the, what it means unfortunately. But the goal is twofold
for me. It creates, uh, a permanent solution to preserve my property
for hopefully my kids one day. You know, the erosion of course over time and it
creates, um, uh, an marked improvement for the environment by stopping erosion,
uh, fostering sea grass growth, filtering pollutants, creating habitat,
uh, and so forth. The project is fully approved, has been permitted by
the army corps of engineers by the virginia marine resource commission and here
in new york county by the wetlands board. Um, I've gone through that process, um,
successfully. So immersing myself. Um, in this project, I learned
that the state of virginia has adopted a provision in the state
code that allows for a full exemption of taxation applied
to such improvements made to a property. Um, the exemption
is to incentivize this sort of preservation effort,
um, because as you can imagine, it is very costly and it's born solely
by the property owner. Um, for this provision
to apply. In my case, for example, um, this virginia
code would need to be adopted at the local level. Um,
and after consulting a few different offices here in york county,
I am confident in saying it hasn't been adopted, um, in the county
code as as of today. Um, so,
um, the reason why I'm here today is to make, uh, the
formal petition to the board, uh, for landowner such as me,
uh, to adopt this virginia code, um, to title 58
decimal one dash 3 6 6 6, uh,
here in york county. Thank you. Thank you.
next speaker will be, uh, amanda orette of avalon center.
hello, my name is amanda doggett and I am here on dog. Sorry. It's okay. I have
terrible handwriting. , I am here on behalf of avalon center, um,
like our speaker from casa. I was here, um, charged and
honored to stand before you and thank you for your continued support of avalon center.
um, just very briefly, avalon center is a domestic violence and
sexual assault, dual credited agency based out of greater williamsburg just
on iron bound road by five forks cafe, which I highly recommend.
uh, we serve 11 independent cities and counties, one of them being york right here,
you all very generously, uh, funded us with $4,200 last year.
and I can't tell you what a difference that made. Um, we get grants from,
um, the state government, the federal government as well, but
the funders from our community are really what means a lot.
I don't wanna say the most, but you can infer because you all know
very much how, um, this service is needed in our community.
you see it every day. Um, I will say that every
year we help around 1500 survivors of domestic violence and sexual
assault. Our neighbors, our church goers, our
coworkers, our colleagues, our friends, our fellow students. Um,
around 10% of that 1500, um,
receive advocacy services that are receiving advocacy. Ser advocacy
services are from york county. Um, last year we received, um,
1300 hotline calls alone. 100 of those were york
county residents. We provided over 2000 bed nights for york county
residents through our residential services program as well. So I just wanted to stand here
and say thank you, acknowledge your continued support. Um, and if you ever have
any questions, please feel free, free to reach us at our 24 7 helpline, which is
7 5 7 2 5 8 5 0 1 5 1. Thank you so much.
thank you. Next I have carolyn johnson,
the arc of greater williamsburg.
hello, um, my name is caroline johnson. I'm rep representing the arc of greater williamsburg
at 4 38 mccaw circle in williamsburg. As everyone has said so
far, thank you so much. I represent one of the social service organizations as well.
uh, we cannot do it without your support and so I'm here to say thank you as well as give another
quick intro onto what we do and why it is so important to be continued
in funding. Um, so like I said, I'm representing the arc of greater williamsburg.
we are a chapter of the arc of the united states. This year, our chapter
is celebrating 50 years of service, which is an extremely exciting time.
our tagline is the arc is there when the school bus stops coming, which denotes the population
we serve. We serve adults with intellectual and developmental disabilities
as they age out of public school special education programs at age 21.
from there, they join the arc through either our four day a weekday program or
our eight to 10 monthly evening programs. One of which I will be leaving
momentarily to attend tonight is art. With art night, we have an artist coming
in and doing a paint night for about 60 individuals. Um, many of who are
yorktown residents who were on, I'm sorry, york county residents who are probably were on the bus
about 30 minutes ago. So these programs, um, not only provide
the social and educational opportunities for the clients, many of whom would
go without, but they also provide respite for the caregivers. Oftentimes,
parents or caregivers are 24 7 caregivers. The arc has
provided over 28,000 hours, the respite time, with the combination of
our programs to over 250 clients and families in the last
year. And that number just continues to grow. Second to james city
county, residents of york county make up the largest group of our our clients.
we do not receive any federal or state funding, which is what makes funding from
localities like you all extremely important as well as
generous donors and supporters. Um, funding from york county specifically
provides transportation support through our, um, transportation services.
so we provide, uh, round trip transportation to and from all of our evening events
on handicap accessible vans, door-to-door transportation, not
only providing the safe transportation, but again, the respite time for the caregivers.
so without this, um, without the transportation programs, many of our clients would not be
able to attend our programs. And what that leads to is isolation. It leads to regressing
social skills, cognitive abilities, which is why it's so important to
continue to have our programs that can welcome as many folks as possible.
um, again, thank you for your consideration and keeping us as a line item.
and thank you for listening tonight to all of us and for your service.
thank you, carolyn. Next I have mark williams
name and address, please.
yes, mark williams, five 13 charles road.
whew, well, happy new year.
I noticed I borrowed a, uh, jacket from the, uh, circuit court.
there was a few items left over from last year that are gonna be
included in this budget this year as we focus forward.
and I just wanna reiterate what an honorable judge ick said. We really need to
strongly consider all the word wording that he went over
while he was here last december, how that's accomplished.
um, there's a lot of details that I have discovered. I've done some homework and research and I hope you
guys have also. Um, but there is a way out of the
bind wearing with that court system. I myself am a victim of that court
being without the rooms, he actually pointed back at me,
or at least made a gesture. I have to go to williamsburg to
settle a civil matter because we don't have the space here.
but that's a personal issue for me as far as the, uh,
county and that court system. You'll have to work out your budget accordingly to give
'em the space and the, um, resources that they'll need. With
that said, um, one other thing. I normally don't carry things from the past forward.
once I've tuesday's gone, I don't look back. However, I
didn't have the time within the three minute timeframe, 180 seconds. Even if I
speak at five second, five words per second, that limits
me to about 900 words, and I cannot do that. At this podium
last year, there was a deputy that saved a lady's life off of the, uh, bridge.
I asked him if he didn't mind if I mention his name personally. His name is deputy
mcmanus. He said a simple sentence that
means so much that it changed that situation to save her life
when she was hanging from the bridge. And what he said to her were,
I do not have to know you to care about you.
that was in response to her telling him she did not
know him. He saved her life because he knew the right
thing to say at the right moment. I commend deputy mcmanus.
we should all have consideration of those feelings for another
human being, even if we don't know them. I've got 37
seconds left. I cannot complete what I need to say in three minutes.
it was brought to my attention that batman is homeless. Batman is not cableless
in york county. Everybody's concerned for
mark williams one way or the other. And the public knowledge and the gossip that happens
at food lion, it's a center's tongue that does what
they do. People need to consider the impact
that they have by their words, especially when
they're gossiping and lying. I appreciate the person who brought
it to my attention. I wish it would stop.
thank you. Next I have gina stevens.
name and address, please. Uh, gina stevens, two
19 parker lane, seaford, members of the board. Thank you.
I'm here as a taxpayer who's tired of washing my tax bill. Rise. While
accountability stays missing. A major reason
taxes are so high is mark bellamy. He's your county administrator,
controlling, spending and justifying every dollar is his job.
and he's not doing that. And this board is allowing it. Your county
does not use a zero base budget. Spending rolls forward
by default. Programs survive because they already exist. The
guarantees that guarantees higher taxes. Zero based budgeting
has been discussed, but it's not policy. Until this board requires
it and holds mr. Bellamy accountable. Taxpayers will
keep paying for unchecked spending. One clear example of the
county's is the county's free ev charging stations.
they're not free. Taxpayers pay for them, including people who do
not own electric vehicles. This is not a core government function
by offering charging for free, the county is competing with private
businesses that must charge for the same service and cover real costs.
the county uses taxpayer money to undercut them. That's
wrong. If the chargers stay, they should be user paid and cost
recovery based. Taxpayers should not subsidize
convenience programs also want to address representation.
I wanna thank wayne drew. He represents the third district
as he promised when he votes or abstains. He represents
the people who elected him, including me. Sheila noll has
no right to challenge his vote. His vote belongs
to the third district. Stay out of it. One last thing,
bellamy's corruption at taxpayer expense jobs for friends
while we foot the bill bellamy. So-called josh's
job search was a joke. The foas have proved it. So congratulations
to 24-year-old trevor webb and his $90,000 a
year job and go trump 2028.
next I have, uh, kathleen wall arts foundation on the hill gallery.
okay, good evening. It's nice to see everyone again.
um, many of you are familiar with me. Uh, my name's kathy
wall. I'm the president of the yorktown arts foundation. I'm here to
thank you and to let you know what we have been doing with the money
that you have funded us this past year. Um, the
yorktown foundation plays a vital role in enriching the cultural and
economic life of our community. We are reaching out to invite
you to continue to support us.
this year's especially meaningful to us because this is our 50th anniversary
of being in being a nonprofit organization in york county.
um, we're also thrilled to have recently moved into a beautiful new
space at washington square. Some of you haven't been there. I know some of you have.
it's wonderful. Uh, this move allowed us to expand
our gallery and classroom offerings and to create an even more vibrant
hub for the artists and our community. Um, as
I said, yorktown arts foundation is a nonprofit organization dedicated to supporting
artists, art, education, and community engagement for york county.
through our gallery and give shop public events and educational programming,
we provide meaningful opportunities for artists while offering accessible,
enriching experiences for residents and visitors alike.
so during the year, what we have done is we operate on the hill
gallery, which is, as I said, washington square.
uh, we showcase and sell artwork from local artists and
regional artists. We also host community events such as yorktown
art stroll, art river veterans art show, stroll,
veterans art show, sorry, seasonal festivals,
special exhibits. Um, we also have our summer camp
with children, which is absolutely free. We provide also
children and adult education classes, workshops,
camps, and demonstrations. We also do outreach to the senior center
and to children and people at our markets.
um, we contribute to the vitality of yorktown
by attracting visitors, supporting and creating small businesses,
and strengthening our cultural identity. Our organization has grown
and involved, so have the cost associated with maintaining our new space,
providing supplies and instruction, hosting public events. While we are proud
of what we have built, we continue to success depends
on the support of local businesses and community partners.
okay. Uh, your financial support, uh, is an investment
actually in local artists. When we say small creative businesses, those are our
artists who have small businesses selling their art, art education,
children, adults, community events. And it gives us a vibrant,
welcoming cultural destination. Before I left, my granddaughter said
say, in other words, we do great stuff. So we,
um, thank you for considering you and thank you again for supporting us in the past.
thank you. Kathy. Your granddaughter is right. Thank you. Thanks.
I have thomas daley, also from the arts foundation.
evening, thomas daley, one 11 thorn, the rose drive. I'd like to provide a little detail
to what kathy wall, uh, discussed about the
yorktown arts foundation and a couple of programs. Two that I'm involved with. One's veterans
art show. It's a show that showcases artwork from those that
are serving. And those that have served the judge show.
I've helped since 2021. The foundation's had it for the last seven
year, held it for the last seven years, many years. We
do get retired military, many years. We get active service. They come from fort
useless yorktown, coast guard station. And, uh,
norfolk naval station entrances have come from as far south as
virginia beach kil, maroch suffolk,
as far north as williamsburg. Again, active duty or
retired military. We welcome public participation. So we have a
people's choice award, and over a hundred have voted in the last
three years. That gives you some sense of the participation of,
of people viewing the show. 2023, we had 28 artists.
each artist is allowed two entries. So double that for the number on
the wall. 20 24, 22 artists. 20 25, 36.
so think of that 2023. We had 28 now to 20 25, 36.
essentially increased it by that much. Terrific to
see that participation. Part of it is the effort from the foundation and getting
the word out. Making sure this unique show
is populated and viewed. Last two years,
we have worked with elizabeth land, the yorktown library branch manager,
and they have hosted the show there at, um,
been in york county forever. I still think a library is new, but
terrific venue. Uh, we're able to have the reception this year. We
counted 73 people. They are introduced
to the judge. They have a short discussion and then move
out into the library so the judge can share their thoughts and the
awards and, and, uh, how they're awarded. So it is
a terrific venue for, uh, our veterans. The second event
is the yorktown plain air. It was held, the first one was
held this year in may. Plain air is described as the act
of painting outdoors, which would be different than a studio experience.
so what artists do is they come and register
and, um, given, given an area
they paint over a period of time, and then they move to
have it. Judge. Ours occurred, uh, in conjunction with art of the river, with
a farmer's market. It rained that day. So they moved in into the garage, which
was, I thought was a challenge. But, um,
the participation was outstanding. First one for yorktown. We had 17
registered artists. They came as far away as richmond. Think
of that. Richmond, norfolk, williamsburg, suffolk, and every
city in between. Uh, the theme
for yorktown is join a brush with history, and this
year we're having it as a standalone with the farmer's market on april 11th.
thank you very much for your support. If it wasn't for your support, we wouldn't
have this kind of flexibility. Please continue with the foundation is a beautiful
community development program. Thank you.
thank you thomas and don therese.
good evening. Thank you for the opportunity to speak. I am a,
um, yorktown resident at 1 2 6 virginia lane,
and I'm part of yorktown arts foundation. Um,
I wanted to come here just to share briefly. I've been a part of the foundation
for the last four years, um, acting as the children's
educational program director for the last two years.
and I wanna tell you how impactful the amount
of, um, support that we receive from you, how it impacts our
children, our families, and our community.
um, as somebody has already said, we moved this year, which was
a big feat for us. Um, we were here in this area
for over 12 years. People knew where we were. They knew the walk
path. They knew that we'd be here every summer. Now we are in a new
location. And it was a little bit challenging, but we had a wonderful turnout.
and that turnout, I hope, will only grow.
we offer children's classes. Um, I offer
two classes a day for the whole summer, um, for the
month of july, excuse me. Um, we have various and
assorted instructors that come far and wide to teach our children all
kinds of things from basket weaving to painting to acrylics, um,
to mosaics, to needle felting, to weaving,
you name it. Children get an education, they get enrichment.
they get opportunity to grow in skills and in community.
I've seen how this is very beneficial for our community,
for the families that we serve. A lot of families don't
have the extra money to be able to provide these opportunities
for our children. And the support that you offer us
allows families to come and be enriched. Parents
are impacted by it. They're impacted by the beautiful
things that their children are doing in the classes, and the children
are generously impacted by it. And we
as instructors and just as community members and
faculty members of the gallery are extremely impacted
by our gallery and just all the things that we are able to do. So
I just ask that you would continue to support us. And
I look forward to this summer camp in july, um,
which will be for the whole month for the children. And hopefully it'll be full. I had
over 280 children step through last
july. I've had over a thousand children the year
before, step through our doors to be impacted
by these programs that would not otherwise be available
to us. So thank you for your time. And I ask,
um, that you would just extend your grace. Thank you. Thank you, don.
that is all the, uh, citizens I have signed up for citizen period. Anyone
wishing to speak, please come forward. Shirley state your name and address.
well, I, I put in a, uh, application so she has
it. You've got it. I have nothing but accolades for
all of you. I love every one of you. Y'all are
doing a mighty fine job and all the things. Look at yorktown.
it is absolutely magnificent. And I'm not
kidding. I've been a part of the on the hill, um,
group since marian bow created it.
now, that's 50 years worth. And I'm gonna tell you this wonderful
director, uh, kathy walls has done nothing but
expanded. It used every possible person she could
to make it happen better. She is really out there singing
your song. She's out there with the children. I've
even worked with the children. I am an artist. You know that 'cause you've got one
of my paintings hanging, hanging in your, and, uh, I
wanted to share with you, that is the gift that
this special place gives to all of you. You
are ready for 250th birthday. Look at all
the beautiful things you've done with this town. I was here in
1981 for the 200th, and I
pleasantly, um, rec, um,
recognized ronald reagan and, and all that we had to do
for the 200th. I was a chairman at that time. I love you.
I love everything you do. I don't think you can do
anything wrong. I'm sorry I'm not gonna fuss at you. I'm gonna praise you to
the skies and thank you so much. Thank you shirley.
anyone else, please step forward. Name and address.
I am diane hartley. I work at peninsula agency on aging. Our, we
have two offices, williamsburg and newport news. The newport news address is 7 3 9
thimble shoal boulevard. Uh, newport news 2 3 6 0 6.
and again, I just wanted to come and say thank you so much for the support
that the county has offered to pa and for then to just say,
we're so appreciative of the long-term partnership that we've had with
the county. So I just wanted to spend a few minutes telling you, I'm sure you know, but
just saying a little bit about paa and some of the wonderful things that we've been able to
accomplish with york county. So, paa
peninsula agency and aging is a 5 0 1 c3 nonprofit. We've been
offering services and supports to older adults and caregivers of any age for
over 50 years. Specifically some of the things that we've been working on,
uh, include providing transportation for non, non, non-emergency
medical appointments. We partner with the york senior center to offer
any number of health promotion programs, which help people better manage their
diabetes, prevent falls, tai chi to address arthritis.
we also do a dining club with the york senior center, which provides socialization
as well as a hot meal. We've partnered with york meals on wheels for over
40 years to provide funding for people who
are meals on wheels clients in your county who meet the
qualifications for our funding, which has to meet federal standards. So it has to do with,
um, home bound and a few other things that we do. And then the last thing that
I just wanted to mention among many other things is our veterans directive care program.
so that's a program that we do in partnership with the, uh, va
hospitals, mcguire and hampton, where veterans of any age who need nursing
home level care, but choose to stay at home are given a budget so that they
can hire family members or have other people come and provide in-home care so
that they can stay at home and continue to thrive there. And again, just
wanna finish by saying thank you so much for your continued support and partnership.
thank you. Any others?
seeing none, I'll close the, uh, citizen comment period.
I would normally move on to the, uh, county attorney, county administrator
and, uh, board reports. I'll move those to the end of the meeting.
uh, does anyone require a recess?
we will skip the recess given that we had one at the beginning of this meeting. And I'll move directly
into the public hearings. So, mr. Bellamy,
I believe you're up first for public forum fiscal year 2027 budget.
uh, I am going to pass, uh, the proverbial but
to mr. Gillette, our budget chief, who will come up and
give you a presentation on this as,
uh, mr. Shepherd also calls him the, the math guy
.
all right, thank you mr. Bellamy. This again, my name is greg gillette. Good evening, mr.
chairman and board members. Um, before we move on to the public forum, as
he said, I will be giving a brief presentation on the fiscal year 2027 budget.
I'll start off by talking about our budget process. Uh, as always, the board
provides us with our strategic guidance. Um, the departments
and agencies submit their request to us, uh, typically in
november. And then the county administrator budget staff and budget
committee conduct review meetings with the departments during january and
february. That's what we're about to commence, right as we speak.
revenue and expenditure projections get reconciled later in the process.
and then the county administrator presents the proposed budget in march.
and then we have our public hearings, the board review and adopt in
may.
so, looking forward to our revenue outlook, uh, as you heard from ms. Goodwin
earlier, uh, we're expecting modest to little growth in consumer taxes.
again, we only have about four months of history on that
and it's possible that that's being negatively impacted by the government shutdown.
so we're gonna firm that up as we get a little bit further along in this process.
um, there is also in the proposed governor's budget, some slight
increases to state revenue. And with, uh, 2026
being a reassessment year, we will have a full year of reassessment growth
captured in this budget.
so looking at our expenses, um, if we look at these by
function, you can see that, uh, public safety and our school
contributions make up 67% of our total
expenditures. Those are our two largest, uh, expenditures
by function. And looking at it a little bit
differently, uh, by type, uh, personnel services
are 39% and our transfer to the school division 37%.
so those two make up 76% of our budget.
so as we develop the budget, we keep these following considerations in mind. We
want to continue to meet all of our legal and contractual obligations, and
we're going to focus on investing in our employees. We want
to continue to support the school division and maintain our current service
levels. And then of course, we also want to invest in school
and county capital needs on an ongoing basis.
so, upcoming dates that are important for the budget development. Uh, the march 3rd
and april 7th. Regularly scheduled board sessions, uh, work
sessions. We'll probably have some budget discussions there. Uh,
march 17th is when we will propose the budget to the
board. And then between march 19th and april 16th,
we've scheduled, uh, a slew of additional work sessions that will
focus on the budget, uh, just like we did last year.
uh, we also, as we did last year, have on march 31st
and april 2nd scheduled town hall meetings. And these will be where the public can
engage with the board on topics mostly pertaining
to the budget. We'll have our public hearings on the budget
and tax rates on april 21st. And then our scheduled adoption
is at the may 5th meeting.
so last, if citizens want to get more information on the budget, they can
find out information at our website, which is listed on the slide,
like an email or call into county admin. And we also have some,
uh, short videos that are posted online that can also be viewed on tv.
that's all I have, if anyone has any questions, any questions from the board.
pretty standard. Okay, mark, I would ask
one follow up. The, um, gentleman who talked about the va code
58.13 triple six, uh, the shore erosion.
yes. If we, if we could have that also included in, uh, future, uh,
review. I think it's another unfunded mandate, but I think it behooves us to, uh,
to look at that. Certainly. Thank you.
I have two people signed up to speak. Excuse me. Three.
so I will open the public, uh, forum and call
on those speakers. So amber martins
name and address, three minutes. Um, good evening. I'm amber martins. I'm
the director of innovation and engagement at lackey clinic. We are located at 1620
old williamsburg road right here in york county.
uh, first of all, I'd like to thank, uh, county administrator bellamy, as well as the board of
supervisors for your continued support of lacky clinic over the years. Um, I'd
like to take a couple minutes to tell you what your funding has done, um, for the citizens here in york
county. Um, in fiscal year 25,
lackey clinic provided free healthcare to over 320 york county
residents. That's a 27% increase from the year before with
a value of over $1.4 million in healthcare services.
we're estimating in fiscal year 27 that we're going to serve over 400
citizens of york county with a 1.9 million, um, estimate of value
in healthcare services. Lackey clinic is a faith-based nonprofit
healthcare center that provides free healthcare and dental services to uninsured
adults. Um, across the state of virginia, we provide not only,
um, primary and specialty medical care, dental eyecare,
um, behavioral health services, chronic care management, and
we also have an in-house pharmacy, which provides over $9 million worth of free and
low cost medications to our patients. Each year. Our patients are the
working class, so they're usually earning between 12 to $25 an hour.
they earn just too much to qualify for virginia medicaid, but not enough to
afford comprehensive healthcare. So they come to us.
also, our patients are right here in york county. They're your retail clerks, they're
your construction workers, your certified nurse assistants. They
work at your favorite restaurant and they're small business owners. So by helping
to fund us, you're helping to fund the economy here in york county as well
because they're juggling multiple jobs, families, health concerns, and
living paycheck to paycheck. They often face multiple social determinant
of health issues, such as lack of childcare, reliable transportation,
and inability to take time off of work. So they need healthcare options
that provide 'em the flexibility to accept access that healthcare and mental health
services in multiple ways with your funding. In 2025,
lacky clinic developed and validated a hybrid care model, which
offers an inexpensive, scalable, and replicable solution to these
challenges. So this model integrates both in-person care, which everybody's
familiar with, along with telehealth, virtual care, digital care,
and virtual behavioral health services seven days a week so that our patients
get access to care how they need it and where they need it.
that virtual care system now allows them to access, um, care in
multiple different ways from the comfort of their home, from their office, without
having to rely on like your local ems without burdening
the local ers. And these patients are able to get access to that care now regularly.
so I just wanna take a moment to thank you guys for continuing to fund us,
for continuing to support us and the patients here in new york county. Thank you.
thank you. Also
signed up to speak is mark williams
and he's left. That was all the speakers I had signed up.
uh, close the public forum. Go back. Hey, you got one in the pack.
uh, this says signed up to speak. I I didn't realize you had
to because this was not a public hearing. We let everybody speak once they
speak. We let, we'll let you speak. Please come forward.
I apologize. I would've signed up. But anyway, uh, pam, push show 1 0 3
kimberly court. I wanna thank you for supporting the organizations
that help those that are in true need. I truly appreciate that.
I'm gonna request something I've requested before and it's never happened, but we pay
in sewer and trash. In fact, I got my bill today. Um,
I would love to see that as a tax, a flat tax, not based on income
or whatever, you know, your real estate or whatever, but just a tax
for sewer and trash because that way we can
deduct it on our income tax. It would be nice. Um,
also there have been, uh, con I have a concern
that the general assembly, and I don't know where they are at this point, but have
talked about rescinding the car tax and how that will affect us.
so you may also wanna consider that. Thank you. Thank
you pam. Anyone else
choosing to speak? Seeing none I close public forum.
we now will move on to public hearings. First application is
from redstone properties, aka sheets to
consider an ordinance, uh, for rezoning and a resolution to authorize construction
of a convenience store with fuel dispensing at the same combined addresses.
I'll call on madison sc from planning division.
all right. Good evening, mr. Chair. Mr. Vice chair, other members of the board, mr.
bellamy, mr. Hill. I hope you all are having a great start to 2026.
um, I'm excited to see what york county achieves this year. Um, so this application
submitted by redstone properties llc is a
request to amend the york county zoning map by reclassifying a total of 1.82
acres, collectively taken from each of four existing adjacent parcels, totaling
3.88 acres from general business to conditional general
business with proffers and to authorize a special use permit both for the purpose of
constructing an automobile fuel dispensing establishment in convenience store
at 7 9 0 0 7 9 0 8 7 9 1 4
and 7 9 2 george washington memorial highway.
the subject site is located on route 17 between mariner way and a
driveway to 7 8 3 0 george washington memorial highway.
the portion of the site relevant for the applications is on a 1.82
acre portion of the four parcels, with one containing a vacant non-conforming
single family home with accessory structures and the rest being undeveloped.
the property is located near the intersection of route 17 and the fort yus
boulevard extension and is zoned both general business and plan development.
the subject site is adjacent to the yorktown crescent mixed use development project
located northeast, east and south. The back
portions of the parcels are a part of an amendment from the january, 2024,
uh, to the yorktown crescent mixed use development, which established approximately
1.3 acres collectively from gb to pdmu in anticipation
of building an approximately 55,000 square foot publix grocery store.
north and south of the subject property is an arby's and no wendy's. Both zone gb
and southwest across route 17 are three parcels. All zone gb
with one containing a vacant, uh, commercial building. And lastly,
directly west across route 17 is yorktown arch apartments zoned pd.
madison, if I could interrupt for a second. Of course. Where are the new townhouses on
the yorktown crescent? Uh, gonna be located? Ye yes.
um, from my understanding, they are going to be over here.
is that correct? Yes. Yes. Um, and I'm gonna have a picture of the whole
proposed development. I just wanted to be sure it wasn't up against the current property.
yeah, of course. Thank you. All right. Uh, the applicant is
seeking authorization for a sheets convenience store with self-serve fueling stations
and to be allowed to have more than 50 gallons of fuel storage within the watershed
management and protection overly district by proposing proffers. The
conceptual development plan shows a 6,132 square foot convenience store
and area showing the eight filling stations with a total of 16 gas pumps
and an area showing the underground fuel storage tank. Now I'm
gonna move into staff's analysis.
the york county comprehensive plan designates the route 17 corridor as a lower
county's primary commercial and transportation area. Regarding land
use. General business is the predominant zoning designation of property around
the route, uh, 17 corridor, with some exceptions, such as additional
residential development and mixed use development. Based on this guidance,
the sheet's proposal is compatible with surrounding uses the character of adjacent properties
and the overall targeted use of the area. The
proposed location of the sheets is within the harwoods mill reservoir watershed management and
protective, um, overlay district, and partially within the 200
foot and fully within the 500 foot buffer strips. According to section 24.1
dash 3 7 6 e of the zoning ordinance. This states that
fuel storage and excess of 50 gallons shall not be permitted within the buffer strips, therefore
not allowing fuel dispensing establishments as they normally store above
50 gallons.
so to mitigate that, the applicant has proposed to amend the zoning on
the property and to proffer environmental design and watershed protection practices,
the proffers will remove the prohibition of fuel storage in the wmp overlay
for this property. And based off of the documents submitted, the applicant believes
that the proffer design elements go above and beyond to ensure the protection of the harwoods
mill reservoir. Also, newport news waterworks
reviewed the submitted plans and proffers and provided the county with written approval of the project.
as for performance standards, the per proposed project meets the performance standards
established in section 24.1 dash 4 6 7 4 7 5
and 4 7 7 for convenience stores, excuse me, and gas stations,
uh, parking standards for convenience stores require one space per 200 square feet
of gross floor area and one off street, uh, loading space. The most
recently submitted conceptual plan shows a total of 48 parking spaces and one loading
space meeting this requirement and the most
recently submitted renderings as of january 15th, I included, um, two
new renderings for the canopy and monument sign on the days for you all. Um,
meet the route 17 corridor overlay district architectural and signage
standards established in section 24.1 dash 3 7 8. And here
are those snapshots of the updated renderings.
so moving into the tr uh, transportation impacts
during the yorktown crescent development rezoning application in 2024,
a traffic impact analysis was performed and submitted and the amended plan is currently
in the site plan approval process. As part of the
rezoning and special use application in front of you tonight. Um, an access change
analysis was performed to support the proposed sheets. The subject site development
is requesting the access revision from partial access to a full
movement signalize intersection along route 17. The tia
memorandum submitted to support the access management exception request also
serves as a signal justification justification report. And
vdot has, uh, reviewed the latest analysis of the yorktown crescent signal
justification report and has not approved, uh, the proposal to
date has not approved, has not approved yet. That's
correct. So some of the things in the vdot letter,
um, received on october 28th, 2025 relating to this
proposal, um, provides some alternatives and also addresses some multiple
issues seen throughout the submitted study. So a big thing here,
uh, is that vdot prefers to have a continuous green tee over conventional
signal as it would not require southbound traffic to fully stop.
uh, and it still allows vehicles to make protected movements in and out of the site.
vida has also proposed or recommended up, please. Oh yeah, of course.
alright, let show us, show us. Okay. Navigating a continuous green
tea. Alright. Just kind of take people tell us 'cause there's three of
'em you're gonna show here. So I'm want to see describe this. Gotcha. I'll try my best. I will
say vdot is a bit more of an expert than I am. Um, but, uh, I'll
try to show, um, some here. See, so picture that the sheets is
right here. I don't know if you can see my mouse. Nope. Can you see it, mr. Shepherd?
okay, got it. Right. Yeah. So in this right hand corner, um, the sheets would be there.
um, so if you go outta sheets here, take a right,
go that way. And then a protected movement going left onto
route 17 would be here. Protected, meaning it's got a light, dedicated light
for what? There's no light. Um, it's protected like through the median, um,
and through the stops from my understanding that left hand turn lane acts like
an acceleration lane. Yeah, it's a turning lane. Acceleration. So you'll, you'll
perceived through the light to make left hand turn mm-hmm . But once you start make a left hand turn, you got an acceleration
lane. So that way southbound traffic doesn't stop for the light, but it's a light. That's
the point is it's got a light there that's protecting it so you don't get run over when you pull out. So
that way you, when you cross the front of the northbound traffic, you don't get run over. Yes. There's no light on
the other side. It's only for this side of the road.
okay. I seen some similar this up on 95, uh,
heading towards dc alright, good on the
continuous green tee. You're good. Alright.
uh, another proposal is, um, called a restricted crossing u-turn
that vdot put in the letter. Um, this would u-turn the relocated westbound
left turns from the site at a location between route 17, driveway
one, um, and the fort eustis boulevard. Um,
I will say at the planning commission meeting, um, the applicant representative did
say that vdo t's proposal of the continuous green tea was
the more preferred option, um, and that they're opening to talking with
vdot, uh, with that proposal.
alright. And vdot also expressed concerns around
the four small businesses that would be affected by the relocation of the existing
median crossover and would prefer to have reassurances on whether those
businesses are going to be supportive of the relocation.
other comments address the methodology and data used throughout the study and ask for clarification
and corrections. I also wanna provide
real quick some further context, um, relating to just the traffic of the overall yorktown
crescent, um, development. Um, so specifically sheets
is not a part of that plan development, um, but it is still owned by
the same developers. So that's why it's, it's connected, um, with the
development regarding traffic. Um, the submitted tia
for sheets, um, was also submitted with the public site plan application,
which was formally submitted in this past april. Um, and this is when
vdo s started their review of the signal justification report.
and so the signal justification report needs to be fully approved before even
the access management exception can even be considered. And there's
also a possibility that the a me won't be approved. Um, that's not
a guaranteed. So they're two separate stages here for the tra traffic impact
analysis. Um, let's see. And per vdo t's comments
for the sheets rezoning and sep applications, the access of management
exception for full access. Oh, I just said that. Sorry. Excuse me. . Um,
so no updates. Um, as of now since the december planning commission
meeting, um, I'm sure the applicant representative can answer any questions.
um, we have tried reaching out to vdot from staff's perspective to hear
any updates from them, but we have had a hard time reaching them. So,
um, that is where we're at in the process, uh, for approving the signal
justification report. And to give some context,
this is the submitted a site plan for the publix. Um,
there in the highlighted area is where the sheets will go.
let me know when you're ready for me to say, say that again. Yeah, so this is the submitted
site plan for the publix that is a part of the yorktown crescent plan
development. Okay. Alright. Point out where everything is here. Yeah, of course.
um, so oh, oh, you're saying it, it goes behind where the sheets proposed to go?
yeah, so this is, um, this is route 17 over here. Yellow way sheets.
okay. Okay. I had it back. I had it backwards. Okay. Yeah. And then this is the sheets and then
that's that driveway. Um, and then this is the publixs
building that's proposed and then the parking lot, um, this is mariner's way
right here, and this is specifically just for the
publixs, um, site plan. And so this site plan is following the
traffic impact analysis and proposal from the rezoning application
in 2024 that got approved.
all right. And here's a photo of the overall yorktown crescent proposal. That was with that
2024 rezoning. Um, here is where the
publix is, and again, this is where that out parcel where the sheets is
being proposed. And number five isn't that townhouses
down in the bottom next to sheets apartments
right here. So that gets us into what are the setbacks? What
is the buffers? Um, I'm sorry,
I'm not sure how to answer that. Um, is that, are we asking about
how the apartments are gonna be incorporated with the yorktown c like how it's, how
it's following, uh, the overall conceptual
plan from the rezoning? I'm asking if there needs to be buffers on that side, on the sheet's
property. See, uh, next to housing? Yes.
yeah, 50 foot buffer doesn't appear to have it.
I know that with the conceptual plans, they don't have to be a hundred percent followed.
usually in the site plan, that is where the details go and where they're gonna show those
specific requirements they have to follow per the code. I think we have a follow up question there
of course. Any more questions about the
overall? I did have some additional questions, but I'll
turn to my other board members. Sheila. Well, I'm, I'm still looking at it and
I dunno why we have it and vdot hasn't approved
the, the plans.
yes. Um, that is a good question. How can we vote it on something that
they haven't approved? Yeah. Um, so usually with the special use permit or
rezoning applications, we only require traffic impact analysis and
usually in the site plan approval process, once they do a formal site plan,
um, submittal, that's when vdot is going to go into all the details
and make sure that they're following all of the recommendations by vdot.
a lot of the times I know applicants like to make sure that they're even allowed to do
the use, um, per knowing the traffic impact analysis.
and that's what we give you all in with staff recommendation. Um, and
then in that site plan, approval process is when all the, the small details
and all of the considerations that vdot and also us as a county take
into account and make sure that's followed even before it's built or anything, um, is
done with the proposal. So what do they tell us? What, what does
vdot tell us anything about this, uh, development?
I know that vdot has submitted multiple comments for the
site plan on, on publix. Um, I'm sure that
possibly the applicant representative might know a little bit more on me from that, that side of things.
well, not publix, but I'm talking about sheets. I mean, it's a, it's a,
it's a kind of a big piece that's gonna be with a
traffic light and another big major traffic light just near it
over a thousand feet away, I think. But I'm just saying, have we
got nothing about what's the proposed traffic coming in and out of, uh, sheets
itself? Have we got anything from vdot? Yeah,
so the, the comment letter, um, from october, the near the ending of october is
where vdot voices some of those concerns mm-hmm . Because the, the distance
between voice concerns and what are they saying? I mean, in terms of us, what we gotta do
to fix things. My voice is about to go here, voice is
going. Yeah. One of those things would be, the preference would not
have a signal there. Um, because it doesn't meet the, um,
distance that vdot normally likes to have between two signalize intersections.
um, so I thought it was over 800 feet. Uh, vdot likes to have
it to be a little bit over 2,600 feet between two.
and here it's, it's a little bit over a thousand feet in between
something different than what I've been told over the years. Normally it can go as low as 800 feet,
but um, it depends on the speed's. It depends on the speed limit. Well
it depends on a lot of things. That's why I'm kind of wondering what we've got here,
um, from vdot if we haven't gotten a,
a termination on the signals signalization of that, that section
or whatever they want to be gonna put in there. Um,
alright. Wayne
comments? Yeah. Um, so
some of it, I'm, I'm a little, I guess I'm a little taken back,
but I don't think it's a problem with the use. I think it's
the use is okay. Uh, and I think we are looking to bring good
business to york county. I think the problem that I'm seeing,
uh, I look at this for the viewers, this
is what was sent to us to look at.
I don't have time to do that. I, this should have been
a summarized report that gives us the bullet points
and go through it. Now I did go through it, but I really don't have
time to do that. So whoever's presenting that from the company
or the engineering staff or whatever, we don't need this. It's a
waste of our time. We need the bullet points. We need to know
what says and what doesn't say. The other thing, uh,
I think we even talked about it, there's a lot of vdot issues
here. I'm looking back, um, at the vdot
uh, response letter and there's, um, 19
bullet points. That's, that's something's wrong. That's in
e incorrect. It was a miscalculation.
and so to me there's a lot of unanswered questions here that I think
bdot needs to do. I think this is far beyond what we need to do right now. I think
right now I think the, the things that need to be cleared up with vdot
that needs to happen before I'm willing to vote on something like this. I
think that part has to have clarity for me. 'cause right now
we know that that intersection's gonna be, it's gonna be
a, a well driven traffic nightmare if we don't do this
right. And I, I trust that vdo t's gonna do that. But to the developers,
I think they need to get that done before we get to vote on this. I, I don't,
I wouldn't feel comfortable voting on this with, with no assurance that
vdo t's gonna be happy with what's going on here and they kick it back and then we, we wasted
a lot of time. That's just my opinion.
so a few things, and I don't know if you hit the end of your presentation yet,
but, um, can you speak briefly on performance
standards for convenience stores and fueling stations? Um,
so audience and our, the board can understand what they,
what they look like. Okay. Yeah. So, um, for kind of just an overall
view for the convenience stores and fuel stations, um, I know a big part of it is if
the use is no longer going to happen, there's kind of demolition,
um, standard put in there for what they have to follow. A lot of the times it's
setbacks, um, things to do with like
lighting or how the use functions. Um,
if you want, I can also provide, um, so let's talk about the first part.
so if it ceases to operate as a fueling station for
nine months, I think, um, then it needs to be
returned back to a bare lot. What, what is the expectations?
um, I cannot remember off of the top of my head. It's been a while since I read
those sections of the code in super detail and I apologize for not having that memorized
for you tonight. Um, but
the tanks have to be removed and the canopy has to be removed. So it has to be shovel ready.
it's basically what the, what the ordinance says. Well, it has
to be shovel ready for somebody to come in and, and, but does that, was it the same performance
standard suppli to the convenience store part of the property of
the business or just the fuel and station part of it? Because
that would be just the fuel, um, establishment. Right. So they
continue operating as just a convenience store but not necessarily as a fueling station from
my understanding. Yeah. Okay. Probably not because they're all intertwined, but there is a separation.
alright. Um, be in the ground. It looks like it, it won't
accommodate, um, passenger vehicles. I don't see from what I've read here,
pictures where it would accommodate fueling stations for
big rigs, 18 wheelers. Is this mainly passenger vehicles? Yes,
mainly passenger vehicles. Um, and I know with discussions
with chairman holroyd, um, making it to where, uh, tractor trailers are
not allowed to be at the fueling stations as well has been proposed and discussed.
um, so this is mostly here to capture the passenger
vehicles that are going, um, to the interstate and also kind
of already within, it's not meant to be kinda a final destination
use. Okay. Um, proposed operating hours,
I believe sheets is 24 hours. 24 7. 24 7. Okay. Mm-hmm . All right.
and the last thing, there are a lot of pluses for an
op, an operation like that come in at this location, it serves a lot of needs. Meet,
meet meets some, um, solves some problems for a lot of people living in the area.
I am concerned about the traffic impact though as we, as we discussed here, because it's
not just a traffic impact on the people traveling on 17, it also is a traffic
impact for the residents that live off 17 where people go,
I'm tired of driving to that traffic through 17, so I'm gonna jump off and go through
a residential area to bypass it. And we gotta protect that as much as
we need to protect the 17 corridor as well. So, very
sensitive to that. Again, I think there's a lot of pluses having sheets there or
business like that. Um, but we gotta, we gotta get that right. We cannot introduce
a problem here with no need for it. We,
we gotta find a good solution for it. So. Alright.
thank you steven. Madison, I had a couple of follow ups in section eight. Community
impacts. Um, it discussed sheets tying into, uh,
the sewer system, sewage pumping system of yorktown crescent.
but I see no tie, I don't see any, uh, uh, condition
of, uh, of acceptance that, um, establishes
that as a requirement. Uh, within the, within the, the resolution.
I think there needs to be a clear tie between when construction starts on sheets,
uh, and when the sewer system is ready or available. We've seen
lengthy delays on the yorktown crescent project and I wouldn't want to be proceeding
with a sheets construction and then find myself having no ability to, uh,
properly, um, tie, tie into the sewer. Mm-hmm . So I think,
I think there needs to be a connection there as a, as a, as a follow up.
um, section 12 of the, um, of your report
talks about the impact on immediate neighbors. Um,
so we, we've got two restaurants on the york on the, um, yorktown
crescent side. I think it's a wendy's and an arby's. Arby's, yeah. And we've got four
businesses across the street where this, uh, median will now be
closed. I think we need to hear from those six businesses. Uh,
do they, do they support this project as it's stated? Because
I, I do not see anything in this package and I think that's, that behooves
us to, uh, to reach out to those customers or to those businesses and
get that input. Yeah, I definitely, um, hear that. Um, and we did
send the pub public notification letters to the surrounding property owners,
um, but we can look into directly reaching out to the businesses as well. I think it, I think as york
county, we owe it to the existing businesses to do that.
that was all the questions I had for planning staff. Thank you.
I believe the applicant, uh, mr. Trance is here.
would you, uh, care to come forward and, uh, present please.
oh, and welcome back. Good to see you, tim.
thank you, madison. I would've fumbled that. So appreciate you getting that up.
um, good evening, mr. Chairman, members of the board. My name is tim tran, attorney
with kaufman at knolls office at 48 0 1 courthouse street in
williamsburg, virginia. It's my privilege tonight to be here on behalf of the applicant,
the developer of the publix and the proposed sheets, uh, shopping
center. Uh, I'll introduce some folks that are with me tonight. First in the bullet
list as the, the long list of owners that own the underlying property. I don't believe any
of them are here tonight, but I, um, they've been very helpful and cooperative in, in
helping us work through this process. Um, on behalf of redstone properties,
the developer here tonight is mr. John schwartz and maya taylor,
uh, who came in from florida to be with us tonight. Uh, representatives of
sheets or todd cado and tony caruso, who also came in
from, uh, richmond and points north to be here with us tonight. And, uh,
henry sells with timmons is our civil engineer, uh, here on behalf of
the engineering team. And then last but certainly not least, is karen mcpherson,
uh, our traffic engineer. I suspect you all will want
to, could come a bit closer to the mic. Yes. Sorry. Sorry. Thank you. Moving
around. Forgive me. Okay. Um, these next
slides are just visual aids if we need to come back to them. I know everybody's
familiar with the location of the site and if, but they're here for
referencing, uh, in questions if and answers if we need to. And
I know you all have seen all of these, uh, materials, which ms, uh, scoff,
ley, uh, presented. So just quickly to the, um,
my presentation and, and the applicant's perspective on the project, um,
first, uh, redstone is developing, as has been noted, the
adjacent site for the publix anchored grocery store, which was
approved by this board in a rezoning, uh, over a year ago, I believe.
um, and this, uh, sheet convenience store with gas station we
perceive as a complimentary use, the respective, uh, nationally
branded, uh, tenants know each other, have experience with each other and, and really
see a lot of synergy in the, in the two uses coexisting on the same site.
um, and, and hope that that will establish a, a more meaningful and sustainable
presence. Uh, you know, commercial presence on route 17, uh, sheets,
as many of you may know, is highly, highly regarded, uh, you
know, and a, and a representative of a top tier brand in the modern convenience store,
uh, marketplace. And, uh, their network of, uh, 750
locations across the mid-atlantic and the, and the, uh, midwest, along
with over 21,000 employees, uh, is,
uh, is poised to make their, uh, move onto the peninsula. And we,
we hope that they can welcome their first store in york county here, uh,
at this site. Um, again, we spoke briefly about the synergy of
publix and sheets to ensure a vibrant and sustainable commercial center
at, uh, will serve obviously residents of york county employees, of county
businesses and commuters that are in, in that corridor on route
17, helps fulfill the comprehensive plan vision for a village center at
the fort eustis route 17 intersection node, and,
uh, completes a comprehensive retail offering in close
proximity to centers of employment and existing and future residences.
um, to speak briefly to traffic, which I know is, has
been expressed of, of very, uh, significant interest to this board and rightfully so.
first, the traffic for this parcel
was approved, uh, generally as a part of the traffic impact
analysis that was done with the public's grocery store in that rezoning
process. So that this parcel was programmed
understanding it would be developed in the future, not knowing exactly how
it was programmed or projected in that traffic study to
be developed. That which was done, uh, by ms. Mcpherson, uh,
was programmed to be two additional, um, drive-through
restaurants so that there was traffic associated with those two drive-through
restaurants programmed on this parcel in connection with that study,
which has already received approval. Now, this use is different
and has different traffic impacts, um, and that's why there's changes and
an update or an amendment to that existing approved tia. But I just want everybody
to understand we are not proposing totally new traffic to, to
an analysis or to a, a traffic management program that
vdot hasn't seen be before. We're just changing the character of that traffic from
two drive through restaurants to a convenience store and a signaled intersection.
um, multiple ingress egress points, as you know, particularly
full movement ingress egress points result in and allow
for a dispersion of entering and exiting trips, which generally improves traffic
flows. And that is the case here, which is born in, uh, out by our
amended study. Um, we've talked about complimentary uses.
the, the reason that is relevant in the traffic context is many
of the public's customers will also be sheet's customers. So they will be
entering, uh, the exiting, excuse me, uh, 17 into this
shopping center, buying groceries and receiving fuel. So
a lot of the traffic that is being, um, generated,
if you will, by the sheets and publix facilities will be the same trips,
um, for an hyper conservative modeling of
traffic. Just so you all know that in our original study that
was done with the publix and in the update that was done for sheets,
all of the traffic projected to be quote, generated
by the sheets project was proposed to be new
trips to the corridor. No internal capture between
uses between the publix and the sheets was proposed to reduce
the traffic generated by sheets. No pass by capture
was proposed, meaning cars in the corridor already just making a right
end sheets and a right out of sheets. Right? No discount in the
overall traffic impact from sheets was projected
by internal capture or pass by. Now, that was done intentionally
by our team to produce a very conservative traffic
analysis so that it would overestimate the traffic impacts of this use
and that our solutions would be, you know, over pro, uh, under
promise and overperformed, meaning we, you know, they would be more than adequate to accommodate the traffic
flows. The traffic flows projected would ultimately less than what are born out
in, uh, in reality, as we all know, a substantial amount
of the traffic associated with the sheets will be passed by
trips. It will not be a tremendous number of travelers of customers
that come from out of the area to, to this store. They will be already
in the commuting corridor. They'll be already traveling north and southbound on
17 or visiting the publix or going to their homes or going to,
or from their places of work. So anyway, just the point that our,
uh, analysis is hyper conservative. Um, the difference in
the sheet's proposal is, as has been noted that we are proposing a
signaled intersection where before it had just been an unsigned,
uh, access point, the advantage, uh, and we have
proffered to do that. Um, I would respectfully submit to you, and, and ms. Mcpherson
can, uh, express this in more detail if you wish, that while there are a number of,
uh, details to resolve with vdot, uh, in, in good faith,
uh, we believe that the, the substantive issue to resolve
with vdot is whether it's a conventional signal or a green tea signal, which
is also a signaled intersection. It's just as you saw a different variety
that's really the issue, uh, that we need to, and, and we absolutely need
to resolve that with vdot. So we proffered that we would do a signal
subject to vdo t's approval so that whatever vdot ultimately approved, we
had to build it. And, and our intent is that our proposal be con
and our ability to develop the sheets or anything, you know, uh, with special
approval on that site, uh, would only be contingent upon vdo t's ultimate
approval of the design of that intersection and our agreeing to build it.
um, and if that needs to be made more clear in any of the proffers or other
commission conditions that we've submitted, you know, we're, we're obviously open to that. Anyway,
sorry to belabor the point, but I just wanted to address, we, we know we have to resolve that.
our, our hope was simply that we, as ms. Goff mentioned that we could work that
out with vdot during the site plan process, you know, the engineering process
that follows the zoning process, but respect and, and understand that you all
are anxious for, for more certainty around that. But we do believe our proffers protect
the county, and we're happy to embellish them in any way that you or the
county attorney deems appropriate to, to assure you of that if you are willing to move forward
this evening. Uh, environmental design and watershed protection.
just briefly, you know, our goal there, uh, as ms. Goff
ably represented, was to come up with a, an engineering proffered design
that would assure that we were achieving equivalent
or superior environmental protection to the base ordinance requirements. And
I think we, we work with sheets, newport news waterworks, and county staff, I believe,
to assure you, in the proffers of that. And we have received the support of newport
news waterworks. Last but not least, the, the project benefits, and I'll be quiet,
consistent with the comp plan, committed to high quality architecture and landscape
design, a very attractive presence on route 17, that, that's
often overlooked. But it is important, we believe, and, and meaningful to the character
of, of that corridor, um, concentrates retail services
in a designated village center, uh, in close proximity, as we've said to centers
of employment and existing and future residents, allows construction of
the entire site to proceed in one timeframe, um, provides traffic improvements.
last but not least, that actually improve the level of
service at the fort eustis route 17 intersection. That
I'll, uh, be quiet and answer any further questions. You may have
questions. No, well,
I don't know about a question. Um, I, I hear what
you're saying and, um, I, I think this is a great opportunity. I know that
sheets and publix works together across the, the region and,
um, I think a lot of people like sheets. I've been in there a lot of times, so,
uh, I'm looking forward to making this work. Uh, I guess I was just a little disappointed.
I feel like we're getting the cart before the horse a little bit here, and so maybe
that's what my consternation is. Um, I think I would've rather seen
it a little bit further along with the vdot part. Um,
but I certainly think this is a great opportunity and I'm, I'm certainly willing and
hope that we can work this out. And I'm sorry.
no, go ahead. I was just to respond to, uh, mr. Jury's point
about, you know, being further, I did want to to mention, uh,
that it was mentioned during you all your remarks to staff that
we did. Uh, and we have had an extensive outreach to the impacted businesses,
particularly the four across route 17 from us.
and, um, we have not been able, I don't believe, to make contact
with all four. We've made contact with three. We have, uh, the
support for our project from three of those businesses. Two
have actually provided letters of support for the conventional signal
versus the green tea. I know that's a detail. You all probably just want, you just want assurance
that it gets signaled and vdo t's comfortable with it, but just
wanted to respond to that component. Yeah. Well, that's good.
that's good information to know for sure. And we have not, and it's fresh off
the presses. We haven't submitted those letters to the county or to vdot
yet, but that'll be in our, our next document. Okay. Delivery. Yeah.
thank you. So, a couple things that one bullet point, second one from the
bottom, you, you repeated it twice in the, in the slide deck, provides traffic improvements that improve
line of sight. What's los at fort uc? Road 70 intersection?
yeah, a good question. Uh, mr. Ronan, I'm sorry I didn't cover it in
the first, uh, time. It appeared in the slide deck. You saw it and I didn't mention
it and I I didn't cover it well, at the end as I was running
out of time, lo s's level of service, I, I know that's a term that you've heard
before and it, it's a measure of how well, uh,
and how efficiently, uh, an intersection functions. It's, it's a
measure of the delay that the driver experiences. And so, um,
what, what our analysis result, one of the results
of our updated analysis is that by providing a
secondary signaled intersection further south on
17, about a thousand feet, as ms. Kauf correctly pointed out, um,
that provides another full movement access point to both sheets
and publix. Um, it's kind of the, the back door to publix, but it's another
full access movement. So you can make a left in or right in,
left out or right out, uh, as we've proposed it. By doing
so, that takes, uh, pressure off
of the fort eustis route 17 intersection because before
all of the left turns out of the public shopping center
would've had to have exited at route 17 and fort eustis
boulevard at that one intersection. By splitting those, that
traffic, giving a second option for that exiting traffic
to leave that center, you actually allow, give
more, you reduce delay, give more, you can give more green time
to the route 17 for eus boulevard intersection. So less delay
in that left turn movement out of the, the shopping center.
so that's how it improves the level of service. And I'm sure I've botched
that in some technical way. Well, ms. Mcpherson can come up and correctly. Well, I see what you're getting at
there. But it sounds like you gotta rob peter to pay paul as, as well.
um, 'cause you're impacting the traffic flow on 17
in two places. Pretty close together. But I'll, I'll look
for the engineers from vdot to figure out how they can
'cause uh, if with the right timing and the right priority of
17 over, uh, fort yus boulevard and in and out of, um,
sheets there, there may be some solutions there that, that really doesn't
bring a lot of impact. But I will go back. It's been over a year.
and by the way, thanks for the call yesterday for any questions. Um,
but I seem to remember when we last looked at this site, the plan was
ingress at that location into publix and into that larger
development. But all the egress, what there was egress
to go north on 17, but the egress was south on 17 would go through
the existing fort uses boulevard. Um, now you're explaining here how
if you add the secondary signal, the distal signal,
it improves that intersection. Um, but over a year we've been
looking at a solution that wouldn't have a signal there so close to an
existence signal at a pretty big intersection. And now this is a pretty
significant change that a plan here. So again, it just goes back
to my concern. We wanna be able to support
something, but at the same time, we don't want to introduce new problems. That's gonna be a headache to
not only the, the travels on 17, but our residents off 17
as well. So that, that's a, it's a big nut you guys need to crack
with vdot and for us to, you know, reach the end, end
of the lane here. So understand. Alright, thanks
mr. No, we're all back to
what fi is gonna say or not. And here we go through this an all, you know, an awful
lot of times, but I'm, I'm still uncomfortable with the
fact that vdot has reservations about the signaling
and, and what you wanna do, and yet you're coming to us for us to approve
it. And what, what if you and vdot can't work it out? No,
understood. And to the benefit of our citizens, not just so much to you.
no, understood. And and our answer to that, which, which, uh, may not be
satisfactory to ms. Noll is that we wouldn't get to build our project. You know, we can't
proceed with our zoning. It's a condition, the fact that we work it out with
vdot and we build our traffic signal or whatever, whether
it's a green tea or a conventional signal, we build whatever vdot ultimately
approves or we don't build. That's, and,
you know, that's the proposed solution and that's the crux of the situation. Understood.
understood.
so if we, if we were to approve this and you could not
agree with vdot, this is just a moot point, we would
not be able to satisfy our proffered conditions. Our, our position. And, and
again, it to the extent we need to further elaborate
or expand in our proffers to assure this, our position that,
that we presented through our application was that, that we, we
would not, it was our expectation that we would not be able to proceed to develop the sheets.
okay. If we can't reach that agreement. 'cause ultimately vita's decision
rules the day. That's correct. And just as a totally separate note, and this
is more information than maybe some board members want, but I know you will be familiar with
this because this is an, a quote onsite intersection mm-hmm . I mean, this is
the access to sheets as a technical
legal matter. I, I think that vdot would have the
discretion to require whatever it will require
of us in order to get our site. We can't get site plan approval through
the county and through vdot unless we satisfy okay. What vdot wants
at that intersection, irrespective of the, if this were a buy right use, uh,
you know, if it was already approved for a convenience store with gas station, okay. And,
and this, the traffic improvements weren't in the proffers, I don't
think because it's on site, you know, it's not like this is an, you know,
an improvement up the up the road, right. An offsite improvement,
which typically has to be, um, committed to through the zoning
and legislative process, because this is onsite, this is the access
to the project, right? I think vdot and the county have the discretion to deny the site
plan without, unless you've got support from vdot
for whatever improvements are, are, are dictated.
and, and I, I want to just get for clarity, maybe even for some of the board members,
so we're all on the same page right now, according to vdot,
they're okay with the, with this, the, um, continuous green
tea, right? That's what they said
according to the notes. And maybe what if you'll allow me, mr.
mr. Drew, what I would suggest is because ms. Mcpherson
has been on the front lines of those conversations with vido, and, and candidly I haven't, I mean,
I've been following the comment letters and reading and talking. Right. Um, I think it'd be important
for you to hear just from her about where that, the status of that conversation.
yes. I think ultimately, yes, you are correct. The substance as I understand it,
is we need to do a signaled a controlled access
here mm-hmm . What is it gonna look like, right? There's a range of options from r cut
to a conventional signal. I think in reality it's really down
to, is this a conventional signal or a green tea? But I think she'd be better. You could have
fresher, clearer information. We'll come back to that. I'd like tom to be able to
finish questions directly to you. Yes, sir. Yeah, tim, thanks
for the presentation here. I, I, I'm, uh, this, this, uh,
project is great. Okay? Mm-hmm . I got no problem with this project. Um,
the, the traffic issues of on 17 are always a problem. Alright?
and so that's what we've, what we're focused on here. Yeah, we don't want to inconvenience
people around it, but what the hell, you put something new in there, you're gonna inconvenience
somebody. Uh, but this would be, I think great, uh, great for that business
area. It, uh, provides that, um,
you know, that combination, and sorry for our voice, I just getting over this,
whatever the heck it is. But, um, we had the, we have a residential
area there. We, we wanted a, um, uh, we wanted businesses in there
with, with it, and this fits. So I'm okay with that. The issue on
the vdot thing kind of bothers me a lot, um,
because I'm a little concerned. Now, let me back this up
a little bit. We know how these things come to us, okay? We know that
the general plan, they come in with general plan. It's a concept of what's gonna happen.
things change over time. And, you know, we, we kind
of hope the staff paying attention and they mostly do
and things don't get screwed up. But yet, just a little down the road,
we have an apartment complex that got really hosed up with no park, basically
no parking. And I'm, I I, we're not gonna let that happen here. Well, we don't want
this to happen on, uh, on the main corridor. This is our main highway through,
through, uh, your county. So I'm kind
of looking at it from a legal perspective here and looking at the proffers
that you guys are proffering that we're not twisting your arm on. This
is what you're saying you gotta do. That's right. Basically, it's a very short sentence. Okay.
or paragraph. This is upon approval of vdot
of the requisite signal justification report and access management
exceptions. And the receipt of other required approvals from
vdot owner shall, shall design
and install a traffic signal at the intersection of the entrance
to the property and route 17 at such time.
and I'm not quite sure I understand that such time as determined by
vdot to be warranted and justified. So is there a possibility
that vdot just goes, eh, you don't need a signal there? No, I,
I don't think that's a re I guess anything's possible. I don't think
that's a realistic possibility here. The reason, and, you
know, look, I am no proud of authorship. If there's a better way to say
what we say there, what we mean by that is we've gotta design a signal
for this intersection that passes muster with vdot. And
once they tell us they've approved it, we can build it and we shouldn't
be able to proceed forward with our project until we've checked all the boxes with
vdot in that one. That's but to just, sorry to interrupt, but just to answer
your last question about the warranted and justified, what we
have encountered, and, and you all should, uh, are probably savvy to this, so forgive me,
but you can, um, convince, uh,
uh, vdot that, uh, a traffic signal is the appropriate traffic management
tool, whether it's a green tea or a conventional signal, or even a roundabout. You
can agree on what the right access management tool is
and, uh, and even the conceptual design for it. But
vdot will not permit you to actually install
the signal in their right of way that they control
until you meet warrants and justification, the
signal warrants and justification. So traffic has to, and, and this
manifests often in sort of a residential development context, where you've
got multi-phase development at the entrance to your subdivision. You
may, it may say you need a traffic signal someday down the road when you get
to a hundred homes or 200 homes. Well, those don't appear in the first year. Right?
those that may not even appear in the second year. So vdot will often say,
we are not, yeah, you, we know you need a signal there someday, but it's
not warranted yet, and we can't, we're not gonna let you build it yet. So the warranted
and justified is just to clarify that it's only when vdot
has deemed it warranted. Now, in this situation on route 17, with the volumes of
traffic, it's gonna be warranted. I'm, I feel certain before
we get our co you know, when we in connection with getting our certificate of occupancy. But that's,
that's the qualification. The reason for the qualification is 'cause
vdot may say, hey, look, traffic hasn't matured to the point, the volumes haven't
matured to the point where the signal is warranted yet. Okay? So
the way I way, okay, so is there a,
okay, would, can sheets do business without a signalize
light? I don't believe so. Um, I believe it
it that the traffic signal is necessary to accommodate the sheet's
traffic volumes. Really? So in, in subsequent dealing with
the county and in development of this project, it's
what we're hearing from you is that if, if vdot does
not give you, uh, a, a permission
to proceed with a light signaled light there, alright?
no business then there's no business. Is that what
we're hearing? Yes, sir. Okay. So he's gotta have a signaled light. Right. And the
two options, you, you guys are okay with is gonna be that green
tea thing or whatever you call it. And the other is just a standard light
one clarification, mr. Shepherd. I I, you know, at the end of the day,
um, you know, we, we are, we're very interested in bringing sheets to the marketplace, right?
I I, in, in all candor, we don't like the green tea. There's some
challenges with that, that, that, uh, so what do you like,
we like the conventional signal. I mean that what's represented throughout the
corridor, so they don't give it to, so how much pushback are you getting from vdot on that, that when you talk
to 'em about it a fair amount so far,
afraid they, they're very interested in the green tea. That was the point I was trying to make.
if, if, if vdot said, you are not gonna get that you
guys, are you still gonna move forward with the green tea? I guess that's the point. Maybe
she can answer that question. Yeah, that's the clarifi clarification.
that's, that's a clarification I'm trying to get for all of us on the board. If,
if the green teas you say, nope, it's unacceptable, we're moving on.
uh, or is the green tea going okay, if we have to do that, we'll do it just to get
this project done. Uh, good evening, karen mcpherson. Um, I would love to say
I have a crystal ball and every time I talk to vdot, um, it's a different
answer and a different question. Maybe not for this one. Um, I will acknowledge
that there was a comment letter and there were 19 comments. I think we're down
to three. We have been working with vdot and again, some of traffic
shocking is subjective. So when we come up to those subjective things,
we reach out, we gain consensus relative to
the green tea. It is another option. It's an innovative
solution that is the v vdot buzzword. Um, so when
we were talking to the detailed operational folks, we ask the
question because as you add a taper southbound, there's some other
constraints. There's the railroad crossing, there's another meeting crossover mm-hmm
so we've had conversations not only with the traffic folks now, but
we've brought the location and design the l and d folks to the table. So
we are getting very close to giving them data
so that among all of them they can come up with what is the ideal
solution. So the traditional traffic signal still checks all
the boxes. They've asked us very detailed, what's the level of service?
how am I impacting the green band? Because without a doubt, no
matter what signal we put here, it will be connected to fort eustis
and they will talk intelligently together. From the traffic perspective, we can
ask our commuters and everybody has a different opinion, but we will do our best to
coordinate them and communicate with them. As far as the green
tea, we've still got some data that we need to give to the operational
and the location and design, and it has some challenges
relative to weaving a trap lane with the adjacent one. So
we're getting close, um, but we're still communicating quite
frequently with the department. I think the challenge is the, the minimum
distance of 2,600 feet as opposed to a thousand. I think that's gonna
be your biggest challenge there. But I'm not vdot. So the access request
for the access modification for the signal request, the quarter mile
spacing for a signal that is a huge spacing.
um, very rarely do you have that. So we were, we, we feel comfortable
that we can show that it will not have a, a huge
impact relative to the overall progression. Again, if you look at
fort eustis in 17, that is the critical intersection. Mm-hmm
. We are shifting a significant amount of traffic turning left
from that. If we leave only one access point, not only the public,
but the sheets, the rbs, everybody coming out
of that development at full build out 20 years from now will
want to come out of that intersection to make a left. We have to give it green
time, which means people commuting on fort ti boulevard will have
less green time. So if we can give that shopping center traffic another way out,
that that green time that they need can go to
17, can go to george washington highway, can go to fort east. So there is a
balance relative to how we share green time
during a peak hour. That is tremendously beneficial to give people two ways
out of a fully developed commercial development. So again,
we're working through all those details. They've asked us for
am and pm, you know, 20 30, 20 36.
so we'll try to give you the highlights next time. Um, well, I mean, I wish
we'd have known that you cleared all of 'em up at three. Okay. When I look at that, I'm close.
we're 19, 20 in, right? And you're telling us now that you've cleared 'em all, but three,
that would've been good information to know upfront and not at the tail end. But don't, don't
you through the thing. In that scenario, will
you come back to mr. Uh, shepherd mr. Shepherd's questions?
sure. I think he was sure. I'll trying to, I'm trying to get to,
that's why I was trying to get to what you were talking about to understand this, uh, because
the way I, I mean I want the company to understand that,
at least from my perspective, I'm leaning forward here trying to make this happen. Okay?
I want it to happen. Now, if we have to get involved with
vdot, we can get in, we can do that. Alright? And that's, that's,
believe me, we can do that. So the point I've got here though is what
benefit or what happens here if we delay this?
okay? I am not to you come back with an answer, alright?
because it doesn't, because it doesn't sound like to me, based upon this
proffer here that you're not, you're not, you're not getting out
of anything. I mean, you're, you're being, you're being held,
your feet's being held to the fire because your company, your client is not
gonna build there unless he gets that's right. He gets the intersection right. That's
and we want the intersection. That's what I need to know. That's correct. Correct. I mean, I can't understand
why we would not want that because we want the business there and it's gonna generate revenue,
um, for the county and, and it'll be a good thing for all the people around
that area can be able to go there and shop and, and, uh, I dunno, is there a restaurant in
this thing? Yes sir. It does have prepared food yes. Inside of a sheet. Yes sir.
so, alright, so I'm just trying to understand if there's, if if we were to
hold back on approval here, what's gonna be gained and not,
not much on our understanding other than maybe vdot might come around and finish your last
three bullets. Other than we might give them more pressure to
give who pressure you think vdo t's have pressure? No, you kidding me, ? No,
I gotta go call up. You said you could work it. Well I, I've been known to
do that, so, so I'm just trying to understand
what benefit do we get from that? I'm just wondering whether the proffer can be changed
such that it's a condition of final opening that
that traffic light be installed. It does it. Well, it's, I've already, they've already said that they're
not gonna have the business here unless they get it and it says that, well, no, it doesn't say that. It
says if if vdot does not proceed with a light, then, then
we're stuck. But we still have a sheets to operate. I, I prefer to see no, no.
well let that mean. Yeah, we, you're right. Unless it's laid down in our, in
our, if they can't reach agreement, if they're still waffling between options,
we end up with a sheets that's ready to go and no traffic light. That's my concern.
I wanna see. I don't, I want see a solution. We are happy to, let me, let
me finish the questions here. Yes, sir. So it goes to this point of, of,
you know, the, the horse, the cart, whatever you wanna call it. We need to have
something in here that says, or some modification that says that, yeah, you're
not gonna do this without the intersection. Understood. So why go build and invest money
into it if you're not gonna get the intersection? So you're gonna have to get the intersection before
you start building. So, well, to answer your question,
what, uh, is accomplished with a deferral and, and obviously
we're biased in favor of, of time and, and money and the expense
and, and progress with the site. Um, the delay costs
us, it, it puts out the timeline for the development of the sheets. It slows down candidly
the public's timeline as well because those two sites develop the
construction of both those sites are, are, we had hoped to be coordinated, um,
and, and and jointly funded in many ways. And so that, that will create complications
for the overall project. Um, we, and I don't know
honestly that, that a lot of certainty will, will be gained.
um, you know, for the county. We, we happy to make,
uh, an amendment to the proffers to, uh, to provide greater
clarity. Uh, you know that around what what we've said and
what you've said, which is no sheets, no co without
the, the intersection being, you know, a vdot approved signalization
of that intersection. I've got all the head knots. There be no intersection, no, no starting land
clearing or anything until you get the approval from vdot for the intersection. Yes,
sir. And one way to do that for, for whatever it's worth. And, and there, there may
be multiple, and I'll give, uh, credit to staff for this. Um, it,
it would be through the sup conditions. You know, the, the c store with gas station
requires an sup, the rezoning, it's already zoned gb uh, the
rezoning from general business to general business with proffers was just to deal with
the watershed management protection overlay. Otherwise, we would only be here for
a conditional use permit. There wouldn't be any proffers. Um, all of this would be
addressed through the cup as I said. I think as a a matter if this were a buy right use,
I think you, you still have this authority 'cause it's an onsite improvement mm-hmm
. Or quasi onsite improvement. But it could, with for absolute certainty, you all
could add tonight a cup condition that says
just what you want it to say. Just what you would, you know, wish the proffer to say, I'm
sorry, it wasn't more, more clear. We're lawyers, you know, clarity is not always our virtue.
so forgive me. So, so I mean, I, and I think that if you give us some
words, we can put it in there to improper or the sup to make
it very clear that without the intersection
approval first, you're not gonna start doing anything else. Yes, sir. It would be that,
uh, issuance of a certificate of occupancy for the
convenience store with gas station would be conditioned upon approval,
uh, of a signaled intersection.
um, and, uh, the yeah, yeah,
yeah. Okay. Names please. John schwartz.
redstone properties 1501 west cleveland, tampa, florida. Um,
not to correct you no, do, go ahead. It's your, your wallet, sir. You're
you're in the camera. . What, what we please move
to the mic. Oh, sorry. Um, we wouldn't, we
would proffer that we wouldn't start construction. It would be no permit
issued, however it is, unless the traffic signal was approved, not just co
we, we wouldn't, we wouldn't wanna start the store. You wouldn't want us to start the store
if we didn't have a traffic signal approval. And, and the reason why
we, we've asked the proffer is to be written this way is
because we're just trying this, this store has been taking a long time to get out of the
ground. The publix, the whole shopping center and sheets is a vital part
of the development. And we're just trying to move things along and get it done. We would love to be able
to start construction on this entire project, if possible,
um, by march. Um, I don't think we'll have the vdot approvals
by that time. Um, but certainly by september we could start anyway.
we're trying to get things moving as soon as possible and this will allow us to
continue with our traffic engineers and, uh, and our deal with sheets
and their, and their process so we can get the vdot approval and,
and get to construction. That's why we're trying to get it done this way instead of waiting
till we have a definitive answer from vdot. I hope that answers
your question. Well, it does. I'm, I'm comfortable the fact that if, if the,
the big issue here with this board has to be that intersection.
yeah. We don't want you clearing the land or doing don't, I mean, that would be kind of stupid to
invest and do that and then not have a store so long as the wording
to that says something to that effect. Now we can we do that on the spot here.
um, but I'm okay with it at that point. Mr. Schwartz
speaks to a very important issue, right? That you know that about the approval from
vdo, sorry, mr. Schwartz. Mr. Schwartz. Yes. Yes, mr. Schwartz. I did say that.
okay. Got that. Uh, uh, the approval from vdot
would be a condition sounds like to, uh, site plan approval, right.
um, of the intersection design. What I was speaking of, and
I I didn't make it clear, was the actual installation of the signal.
right. You, you know, you're not going to build the signal before you get your site plan
approval. So, you know, I think what mr. Schwartz is saying is con,
the, the cup condition could read subject
to greater mines assembled that the site plan
approval for the convenience for a convenience store with gas station on the property
would be conditioned upon vdot approval of a signaled
intersection. Not necessarily the installation of the light, just the approval
of the light. Right. But you all, uh, also wanna make sure it gets built right.
right, right. So the second, so what I was addressing,
I had jumped ahead, sorry, I had jumped ahead to the secondary sort
of concern, which is that a certificate of occupancy
would not be issued until the signal is constructed or bonded building it. If
you don't have the signal, ma'am, you're not building it if you don't have the signal. So
why the certificate of occupancy, mr. Chairman? Because you would want
the construction of the signal to occur while the building's being built. Right.
you want them, but provided you, you've got feet up. Right, right. Approval. That's
the first part. I'm sorry, I'm not, um, I'm not sort of giving you the time. Let me back up and start
over. Yes, please. So the, the timeline not, I was trying to write cup
language conditions while we were on the fly, but just the timeline, maybe just in,
in, in colloquial speak. So we would not seek building
site plan approval. You can't get a building permit until you get site plan approval. So no site plan
approval, right, right. Until we have vdot approval of the signal.
correct. Right. Just the technical access management approval, signal justification,
whatever beat out approval. You copying this down, earl? So, mr. Chairman, if I may, mr.
yes, please. ? Uh, I, I generally
agree and accept mr. Trance representation on behalf of his client that the
zoning conditions would
require the, um, construction of an intersection.
but I also think that at his, the representations that they've
given today would be part of the record and represent
any attempt to, uh, clear up an ambiguity. Having said that,
I also think he, the, the path forward that he's presenting would be
a way of doing it, which would be to add a paragraph
four. And when he says cpis, you're referring to the special use permit
resolution granting the sup? Yes, sir. I would recommend, uh, adding
a paragraph four and renumbering
paragraph four to b five and making paragraph four, read that,
uh, approval by the virginia department of transportation of
a signaled intersection in accordance with
the, um, conditional zoning is a, is
required prior to site plan approval. Okay, that makes sense. Makes
sense to me. Yep. Okay. And if, if that would be a, I mean that I think
would accomplish what, and one last real quick question for you. So when, when
we do this wording here, we're not gonna end up permanently putting
a signalize requirement onto that property? No. Right.
it is a requirement of the special use permit for his, for his business use for the special
use permit, but not for the property. If it's not sold, he doesn't buy it. If
he doesn't, if they don't establish their use within the required period of time, it
would, it would be extinguish just revert back to regular no, the zoning, the
zoning's another matter. But again, I, I think that it would,
if you address it in the special use permit process, it would
handle I think all the concerns and it would, it would enable us to
make sure that it's done prior to any
construction. Okay. I'm good. Thanks. I had one further
question. It's finally my turn. It, um, I'm still concerned about
transport trucks coming into fuel op. And how do we stop that? Uh, the islands
are high enough that they could do it, and I think they're 17 foot high and
transport trucks run about 14 foot high so they could get under the canopies.
um, I'm, I'm concerned that there needs to be something in the
resolution that states that this is not prohibited as part
of this, um, um, sheets development.
mr. Cado with, uh, sheets can speak to that. Good evening. Todd cado, uh,
sheets incorporated. Senior real estate market manager. Um, so this site,
we will offer auto diesel at the pumps, which, um, but we will not
offer high flow diesel. We're glad to put that in a proffer. Um,
which is what a large tanker would use a high flow diesel. And we have no,
um, commercial diesel parks on this property either.
um, that's not something we can restrict. Like sometimes we'll park 'em along the curb, but
we will need delivery. So we'll have our delivery trucks on our lot. So we do need to make space
for them. Um, so naturally sometimes that space may get filled by
a truck, but we definitely aren't inviting or welcoming to those,
especially this thing. I think what you've suggested, which is to proffer that you would not,
uh, stock high flow diesel would be sufficient. Thank you.
and I would just one qualification, mr. Horwood, uh, which mr.
uh, uh, hill would probably catch anyway. That would probably be a cup
condition as opposed to a proffer or an sup
condition as opposed to a prof. We've got both here. I know I, I've complicated things with
a rezoning and a special use permit, but that would be a, a special use permit condition,
which we could add to the resolution that no high flow diesel would be
offered. Okay. At this point, I will
call on any other citizens who wish to speak.
seeing none, I will close the public hearing and
any board discussion that we haven't already had? I dunno.
don't we're gonna ask you. We have the two reso, uh, ordinance and a resolution. Is that what,
what we've got here? We've got a revision, we have a revision for,
and we now have a further revision that
are we, so which, which one goes, which one goes on? Which, well, I, I think, I think the question is
do we proceed with this or do we, or do we ask for continuance of
the meeting? No, we, we do. We we do it now. Don't think continuance is
required. If we're covered with, with, with the, with the amendments, I think we can move
forward. All we'll, can I proceed with the, proceed with the motion? With the motion? So which one
has the r the the resident, the sup.
well, I mean, which one? I mean, there's an ordinance in that then there's a resolution. So which
one gets the r or both of them? The r will go on the resolution.
okay. Because that's the special use permit. Permit. But you have to approve the ordinance first.
okay. Well, or shown here, you got the, so approve the ordinance first and it does not have an r.
correct. Okay, so I move ordinance 26
dash one move.
so move, roll call. The motion made by mrs. Noll
is to adopt proposed ordinance 26 dash one to approve
the application as submitted. Mrs. Noll? Yes. Mr.
drury? Yes. Mr. Roh? Yes. Mr. Shepherd. Yes.
mr. Horo? Yes. Motion carried. So now we gotta move.
now we have the, we have r 26 dash five r. No,
25 or 26. 26 dash six dash read.
didn't have the number here, is it? Is it, they're r 26 dash
five rr 26 dash five. That six r 26 dash five rr?
yes. Okay. R 26 dash. Can we, it's moving it, can we list what
those conditions are under the r because there's been several
captured on the they're gonna oh, okay.
I thought that's what, uh, all right. So what I have, we'll start with the easy one. No
high flow diesel allowed. Um,
and we didn't, you didn't talk about it as a group, but mr. Horo had brought
up the, um, sewer connection. Yep. Mm-hmm . You
want to have that be a requirement at the,
how do you want to list that? It's a condition of,
of acceptance that construction on the sheets
begins. Once the sewer is established. I'm, I'm concerned that the,
the public is further delayed and it's two years more late. And,
and you want sheets going ahead, but there's no sewer, so
has to be tied. I, let me, let me bring their engineer
up here just to make sure we have the right wording.
so I'm henry sells with tenants group, um, virginia beach. So
how I would handle that, if you wanted to add that, would be make the
co a condition of connection to the sewer at the rear
of the property through the yorktown crescent development. Okay.
because that, that would keep you connecting the sheets to that
instead of anything out on route 17 and all that. Which raises the question.
yeah. So, so we're connecting to a pump
station somewhere here. So when, when publix gets built, are they gonna need now create
a new pump station? No, the, the sewer generation from all of
these sites has already been run through. Already run through. Okay. Yep. Alright. So you
wouldn't be held up by the yorktown crescent development
in any way. The yorktown crescent development provides, uh,
the sewer, the water, and the storm water. Yeah. So if that,
if that doesn't move forward, the sheets couldn't move forward. But that is
also the developer building. The publix is also
doing the sheet steel. So if one doesn't move forward, the other one, or
if publix does not move forward, the sheets does not move forward either. Yeah,
but not the other way around. I'm just concerned that yorktown crescent has drugged their feet on a lot
for a long time of getting their stuff done.
the capacity. Yeah. So the, the capacity's there. And when it
comes to the yorktown crescent development, we're in final stages of site plan approval and they're
looking to move forward as soon as possible. Well, they told us that three years
ago. Yeah. So, so before you guys came along, I, yeah, I would like
to make the distinction that the yorktown crescent is not the developer currently
doing this. It's redstone. So redstone is who's pushing the cart
here at this point. And they're much more gung-ho about getting moved forward.
I hope so. Yeah. And, and you and you, and you want this condition based upon
the co yeah, I I think it makes sense to base it upon the co
so that, uh, construction can continue mm-hmm . On both projects
as quickly as possible. Yeah, I agree. Well, yeah, but what would you connect to before,
again caught before the horse? If, if, if the sewer's not there. Port of
john's . Yeah. All right. I'll let the engineers handle it. Okay.
you out of order. . Alright, so I'm gonna write that one
as, um, sewer has to be extended
to the rear of the site before the co can be issued for the sheets or
for the sheets, right? That's what we said for the sheets. All right. And then
the last one, the third one, the big one. Um, vdot
approval was required for the lighted intersection,
uh, before site plan approval can be given intersection. Mm-hmm
. Were we taking that the additional level with the co or we just
leaving? We're just leaving it. Okay.
sorry tim. The site plan would dictate
a signal on there if approved. So their
next, they would've to build it, right? Their next step after site plan approval would be land disturbing.
okay. So that, that would keep them from clearing any trees or anything like that.
and that was, you know, what mr. Shepherd was talking about. The final one, earl, was the townhouse, uh,
proximity. Is there anything required for that setback in term
the setback for the townhouse? Townhouse number five, the row of apartments.
oh, that's, that's the apartments. Yeah, that's, uh, those a hundred apartments that were
proposed in the original master plan. Yes, it does have a 50 foot buffer between
it. It's very hard to see on the conceptual plan, but when you dig into there, you can,
it is there now no one has come forward with the apartment development
at this point, and I don't know that much has been done with the church site
where that's where that would go. Um, the property is pretty wide 'cause it's where
the church is kind of sitting right now. Okay. So it's not been previously approved. It's not part of this. Right.
and they would have to admit they would have to comply with all the setbacks.
this, this, the setbacks and performance standards for right. The pdr that they've
already got required, which is not tied to this project. Thank you. Right. You're welcome. Did that got
all three, right? Yep. Yes. Okay. I'd like to
move r 26 dash five r.
so moved. Roll call. The motion made by mr. Drury is
to adopt proposed resolution r 26 dash
five r to approve the application as amended.
mr. Drury? Yes. Mr. Roh? Yes. Mr. Shepherd? Yes.
mrs. Noel? Yes. Mr. Horo? Yes. Motion carried.
I was like pulling a kidney stone. .
I was gonna say pull teeth, but that's okay. I don't know. I don't agree with that. I've had
two of those. I have, yeah. I'm gonna push the spaghetti the next, uh, application.
thank you. Thank you gentlemen. Looking forward to it. And ladies,
application for an amendment to the york county zoning ordinance regarding the use
of theft deterrent wire. Again, call on madison.
yes, it's your lucky night. It is. Um, thankfully I was able to get this presentation
down to just five minutes, so hopefully we can get through it. .
alrighty. So this application
is to consider amendments to the york county zoning ordinance within sections 1 0 4 2 7 1
and 2 7 2 for the use of theft deterrent wire. To quickly
give, um, some background for this application,
first, staff look to see what the york county code says about theft deterrent wire.
the code currently prohibits the use of barbed wire or electrified wire, or similar
type fences except when used in conjunction with a bonafide agricultural operation
in a single family residential districts.
section 24.1 dash 2 7 2 establishes accessory uses
permitted in conjunction with commercial and industrial uses. In states,
land use is not listed in the section are and not deemed similar to a
listed use, shall be deemed not allowed as commercial or industrial accessory uses.
so because of this, historically, the county has interpreted, uh, the code's lack
of reference to theft, deterrent wire, and commercial and industrial districts
as an indication of it not being authorized. However, some
of the county's businesses have expressed their desire to use theft deterrent wire to protect
their property and restrict access to dangerous equipment and machinery.
so that goes into what is proposed to you tonight. If approved,
the proposed amendments would change three sections of the code by
one, adding a definition for theft deterrent wire in the context of fences.
two, clarifying when it can be used in residential districts.
and three, allowing for the use of theft deterrent wire in commercial and industrial
districts, while also establishing performance standards for this use.
the goal of these amendments is to balance community need with safety and aesthetic expectations.
local ordinances that regulate theft deterrent wire were reviewed, compiled, and analyzed.
the ordinances analyzed include norfolk, petersburg, hampton, newport,
news fairfax, stafford, james city, and gloucester. And also
a work session was conducted on november 24th, 2025 with
the planning commission ordinance a subcommittee. During the meeting, concerns
and considerations were discussed relating to residential application performance
standards and how citizens could request for an exception.
alright, so now going into, um, the summary and exp
explanation of the section changes. So the zoning
ordinance should include precise definitions to ensure there is no legal ambiguity
regarding what qualifies theft deterrent wire. So the definition,
um, oh, excuse me. Uh, the definition is to propose,
um, including security fencing materials that deter unauthorized entry
by means of sharp edges, electrical charge or specialized construction
that impedes climbing, cutting, or breaching. Some of these examples
are razor wire and barbed wire, concertina wire
that deterrent composite cables, also known as t dccs
and also electrified wire.
so section 24.1 dash 27 1 j as it currently exists
prohibits the use of barbed wire in electrified fences in single family residential areas
unless with an agricultural operation. So the proposed amendments
to the section would change three things. First, it would update and remove
the term single family, so that regulations apply to all of those residential
districts. The second change would replace the terms barbed wire or
electrified fence with theft deterrent wire, so it encompasses additional
security fencing materials. And lastly, the third revision would
increase clarity of, uh, the requirements by replacing the phrase in conjunction
with bonafide agricultural operation with when used for gardening
operations or to secure domesticated livestock. That is consistent with virginia code
section 55.1 dash two eight.
this was changed because it reduces, uh, any ambiguity and references the
relevant section of the code of virginia, which defines lawful fences in this context.
in section 24 7 2 a addresses the use
use of fences in walls in conjunction with commercial and industrial uses. So
proposed amendments to these sections. Um, 24.1 dash 2 72
a five a through d address the design and aesthetics of 13 of
theft deterrent wire, such as where the wire can be located,
including to not allow, um, certain outward projections
and types of colors to be used, uh, to reduce visual impact
if next to residential or public right of ways. In this last section
with, uh, subsections e through f, these establish enforcement mechanisms
for public safety and sets out administrative exceptions to one or more
of the standards. Um, the administrative exception can only be granted
if the strict application would create an unnecessary hardship, um,
or if an equivalent safety and aesthetic objectives can be achieved
through different means. Um, so an example of this is if a
property needs enhanced security, um, they could ask for more
intensive, uh, use. So we're
gonna close with staff's recommendation. Uh, the
proposed text amendments would add a definition for theft deterrent wire, provide
clarification on when it can be used in residential districts and establishes
performance standards for theft deterrent wire in commercial and industrial districts.
the all-encompassing definition provides clear interpretation for application.
the revisions to include theft deterrent wire for domesticated livestock and gardening
will be applied to all of the residential districts. And the proposed standards address
the design and aesthetics of theft deterrent wire and commercial and industrial districts
with the allowance of administrative exceptions. So with that,
um, staff recommends approval through the adoption of proposed ordinance number oh 26
dash two. Thank you for your attention. I'm happy to answer
any questions you might have. Any board questions? Yep.
no. All right. So the, the proposed change
is clarifies use of residential, got to
have, um, garden or livestock. But does it
talk to, if you meet those conditions, what
that fencing should look like? In other words, somebody takes
a tomato plant, puts it in a pot, puts it in middle of his yard, and now wants to 12 foot high
wire with electricity and, and razor wire across the top.
how, how do we define what is applicable in, in a
scenario in a residential area? Just residential. Um,
let me think. I know that for residential fencing, there are
standards in place for residential regarding fencing.
um, but if we could add an addition to the residential to say,
hey, it can't be no razor wire above, you
know, six feet of the fencing, um, and things of that nature,
kind of how we did it in the commercial and industrial. Um, so
to be completely frank with you, I'm not a hundred percent sure how to answer that
question. Um,
yes, it has to meet the virginia state code section for livestock. And that,
let's see, what was the section? Okay, so that, but that meets the requirement for
putting a fence up when I'm asking about what does that fence look like.
again, they get a chicken in
on the third acre lot and, and they use that as a reason to put up a 12 foot
wire fence all around their property line.
do we want that in our residential areas? I don't think so. So do, is there any expectation
of if you meet those criteria of residential, what that tions should look like
and, and how is it limited? Right. I'm trying to remember what the
state code standards, it does have listed out that it can't be like
a number of wires. I'm trying to remember if it has kind of the height
standard. Um, so we could propose
a revision of the code to add these concerns in.
if you would like, you
gotta come up and talk up here. We can't hear you down there nor earl.
um, we're gonna look up the state code to see if it addresses your concerns.
okay. All right. Well, one, let me go ahead. Okay. One of the things
the, the idea of this wire was designed was,
was designed specifically to protect businesses. Okay.
I don't, I don't see this in a platted residential area.
I don't, I don't know why you would put that unless you have a farm. Okay. But you do bring
up a good point because we do have, we allow chickens, which considered this can
be considered a farm animal. So then you can have people putting up, uh,
barb wire, um, I don't know why you put that up for chickens, but anyway,
um, or payments out. It, it may be an excuse for other
purposes, but they use the chicken or the tomato plant
is an excuse to put up larger fence. I don't, don't, that's not something we
want to see in our reside residential areas. No, we, no, we don't. I don't, I I agree. I don't wanna
see that in a residential community. It's not designed for that. Right. It's designed for
to protect commercial property that's exposed. It could be. Now,
you know, you end up with what we do here with our rezoning. A lot of times we'll end
up putting businesses close to sometimes residents or residents close to
business. That's a problem. But it's the, again, the idea was to protect the
business. Alright. Okay. Now to answer your question about, look how it looks,
um, the invisible fence, they got an example of that. This,
this in here. Uh, it's a black one. It's black. Okay.
yep. If you, if you, you color it black, it's, it becomes invisible.
you don't really see it. If you leave it shiny, you know, you gotta know. Then
you, you're looking like a military, military fence. Okay.
so if, if we wanted to, my recommendation, uh, would
be just make a, it have to be a, if it's gonna be anywhere near coer, I mean residential,
it'd be black. Well, I, I, I agree. And, and they talked
too about the visual impact in a commercial
area, but I'm, I'm thinking more about our residential areas. Mm-hmm
. The, well, that's what I, I'm, the slides we're looking at here and we, we saw
earlier, I think we all envision that if somebody wants to put electric fence around their
garden to keep deer out, you know, that's four foot high. That's, we're all okay with that. But
what we don't wanna have happen is somebody to use that as an excuse to put up
a six foot high wire high security fence because they're, they're
tired of the kids coming to get that ball in the yard all the time. And we, we don't, we don't
want to introduce that as a possibility. I think we need to set an expectation of what it would look like
in a residential area. So we don't, shouldn't be in a residence. Go down that road.
I, I, I kind of agree with sheila on this one. I, I don't see it
as a residential use. Mm-hmm. But it, okay. But there's a case,
okay, there's a case where we put commercial up next to a residential
and then in that case, that's where you'd have on the commercial side would
be the barb wire fence. But the, but the proposed changes just
explain when you can put a fence up in residential, but it doesn't
provide any expectation or guidance on what that fence should look like or should
be. Right. Right. How big it could be. Does you, you know, do you have the state code?
I know y'all looked it up. I'm wondering if we can take this back and, uh, continue
the, uh, discussion at the next meeting. Yes. I, I think it does
merit additional thought along this line. Well, we need to give 'em something to, to, to,
to work on some direction. I think the direction's been given. What,
what are the standards for inside a residential area? Yeah. Is it four
foot high and electric, like, like shown in this picture or is it, or somebody has
a single chicken in their yard and they want to put a I just see the thing is why is it in residential
in the first place? This is a honey, I don't think you speak well, I know that, but this is, the
whole thing was not designed. This whole proposal was not designed to be a residential
use. Then, then commercial use and it's commercial residential
use. They're changing the audience. Excuse me. The residential use is already
in there. It's for bonafide agriculture and we've clarified
that, that you have to meet the state code section. State code section says five feet
can, five feet is the, is the height. And it talks about like if you're
just have barbed wire, you can, your strands have to be a certain distance apart
and it has different, um, regulations for domesticated
livestock. And then they get into further regulations when you
get into cattle and things of that nature. That's why we cited that section.
'cause it specifically dealt with domesticated livestock in that, that way.
but we can, we can provide some clarification on the residential side. If, if
you want to be even further, let, let me let, let bring his point
up. Do we already have barb wire being used? Okay. This is already, it's
already out there. You go out there on, uh, on, on, uh, uh,
victory boulevard, barb wire down both sides. You go down on some of
the other properties that barb wires already there. Okay. And it's not the hidden
kind. Okay. It's, it's a silvery, the silvery finish. So,
oh, rusty. Now one's on a road and we, you know, we've seen this. It's rusted, right? Rust.
um, and, and, uh, I, so the whole, the, again, the whole
focus of this was not to be used in a residential area. It
was supposed to be used for protecting commercial
property. Right. And we're not, the changes that we proposed are not
changing anything that's different in the current ordinance. It's just making
some clarifications in there because we had in there that
it was single family only. So we weren't talking about
it in other residential districts or anything like that. We, you know, weren't really specifying.
we just had, it was a bonafide agricultural use. So we wanted to be very specific.
that's why we went with the, the, um, agriculture. If
you wanna remove it from residential use, I mean, we can, I'm okay
with that clarification. Right. I just, we just need to kind of set the expectation of
what that will look like. I mean, you don't wanna come home one day no. And, and pulling your
driveway and you're faced with a six foot tall raise a lot of fence right. On your property line. Either
for whatever reason somebody did decide they wanted to put that up there. Nobody wants that in our residential
areas. That's what I want to address. What would that, if, if you're allowed to put
it there for those bonafide reasons, well, what can you do and what and
what are the limitations? Okay. We got, we gotta put some limitations on what
you can do in the residential areas. Five foot. Well, well, the, again, I'm gonna come just
to the com. I'm gonna come back to the, my concern is when residential and commercial meet,
well, and that's up. Right? Okay. And that's a valid use of the fencing. And
it was gonna be higher than four feet, five feet. It could be, it could
be like, like the picture here, uh, where you've got a maybe an eight
foot fence and there is a, uh, the outward extension
of the barbed wire. And I, I mentioned you mentioned in there, would something about
no outward extension. I mean, outward extension is a
valid use of, uh, barbed wire to protect things. So I'm not quite sure why that's
in there. Mark, can we just get clarity on this? I think this, bring it real, it bring
it back quick. Is that the easiest thing to do? I agree, but this discussion
is, I think, helpful to mr. Anderson to understand what it is that you want
us to bring back. So I do think, yes, it should be continued
until it's done. Before I do that, I want to open up the public hearing
to see if there are any citizens in the room who wish to comment.
yes. So, continue it. Seeing none, I'll close the
public hearing. And now the board's decision, if we wish to
continue this, uh, discussion. Well, one, I wanna make sure we yes,
I, I understand. I think I understand what you're saying. You're worried about going, coming home
and finding a big barb wire fence right. On your property or next around your property.
that again, is not what the I was, when I got this down here, again,
I was focused pri principally on the business side. Right. So I'm trying to protect the business side.
I think residentially, if you wanna put a restriction on it, make it black.
you make it black wire. Okay. That's a little, a little more expensive. But it's,
but it's called an, like an invisible fence. You're gonna meet
state code, whatever they, you said five feet or something.
okay. It's gotta be black wire. Alright. Uh, I
don't know what else you, you don't think you make green, but I think
there are enough changes there that I think we should continue this, right? I mean, you don't, you don't want chicken
wire up around somebody's all around perimeter of somebody's property. Even you do paint,
paint it black. Otherwise this boards gonna get flooded with
calls and going, you know, my neighbor just ruined the neighborhood. 'cause they, they put
a chicken wire fence off around their property. 'cause they got this tomato plant. Now
nobody wants that one chicken. Is there a restriction on use of chicken wire or one chicken?
uh, I'm not sure, but I have an idea of like, I'm ask to propose
to you all of what to look into. Yeah. I've made a motion. Motion
has been made. Can we have a roll call please? You call the question.
yeah. Because I wanna make sure they understand what they're gonna work on. I have heard enough debate
in here. I think we take it away and let them work at and come back. I
made a motion that we continue this to a
a month. You got enough info?
I'll make a performance standards for the residential. Decide where it needs to
be. See, I just, I wanna clarify. You,
you want to reopen the public hearing, but you're gonna continue it to
february. You just, we just closed the public hearing. Well, that's, that's what I'm saying. If you,
I just wanna provide that clarification. If you want this to con have
open dialogue for the public to come in, no. Then you would need to
open the public hearing, continue it to the february, whatever the
february open public hearing is. That's a how much time do you need, suggestion?
how much time do you need? I mean, we could probably put something together
this week, the end of this week. So you'll be you'll prepared by one of the meetings next week. I mean, we could, we could have it for
the work session, but I don't know that you have a public hearing component at the work
session. Mr. Chairman. Uh, you don't have to
continue the entire public hearing, however, since it's a zoning
amendment and since public hearing, there's going to potentially be
substantive changes, it probably would be prudent to
continue the public hearing and give the public an opportunity to comment.
I'll reopen the public hearing now. I'll take a motion.
she already made it to 16th. 10th 16th. February 16th.
february 16th. Continue to february 16th.
. I made the motion to continue. 17th, this 16th or 17th.
all vote. Well, the 16th will be before the meeting, right?
I guess. I don't know. No. 17th. 17th. 17th. Yeah. Yes.
my mistake. Thank you, . The motion made by mrs. Noll
is to continue to february 17th, 2026.
public hearing for proposed ordinance 26 dash two.
thank you. Roll call.
yes. Yes. Mr.
yes. Yes. Yes. Motion
carried. We are now moving on to consent calendar.
so item number seven was to authorize a contract to purchase for and enforcer
pumpers for fire and life safety. Number eight was
trolley hardware and software agreements. Number nine was retirement resolution
for min and number 10 was retirement resolution for charles baldwin.
do any of the members wish to discuss, uh, any of these items? Yeah, I'd like to
chat a little bit about number seven. Okay. Number seven.
number seven. Could we have the chief come forward please?
mr. Hoy? Chief, how you doing this evening? Alright, first thing,
enforcer, pumper versus other pumpers would are
all, all the same. We, they're, they're all the same. The enforcer, the type of chassis currently
are chassis. We're using a quantum chassis, which is no longer in production.
um, we switched to enforcers. Oh, that's a brand name. It
is, it's a model of a chassis. Yes. Okay. It's not a, not a use. It's a, okay.
yeah. Yes. Okay. Yes. Um, alright. So we're looking at four vehicles.
we're new pumpers, three of which to replace
vehicles that are agent I in, in the service life. Yes. In the, in the service life
determined by miles number of hours to help help us understand
several, several things. Um, recommendations from the national fire protection
association. Our fleet maintenance recommendations. Um, based
on mileage, years of service, actually everything including up, up
to engine hours. These vehicles, the three, three of them will
be replacing a 2003 with over a hundred thousand miles.
um, and two 2000 and eights, which have over a hundred thousand miles on it.
um, if you take that and look at the service standards
and work, work in the engine hours, those
three units are in excess of 300,000 miles. If you use the formula.
um, basically it's the road mileage times 33
is what the national standard is. Again, we've run that through and look at it. Um,
the nfpa recommends frontline service. 10
years. We've had the schedule set 10 years frontline service, 10 years reserve
service. So these units are replacing older re that are in reserve
status right now. And then current units, which are approaching
some pretty high mileage will be rotated down to the reserve status.
and the thing to remember with these units is it's a four, one or 48 month, excuse
me, delivery time. So we will not see those units arrive and
they continue to build mileage until they arrive. We're trying to stay ahead of that curve. I
understand. Okay. And we just hit three at the same time. Just, just the
way the math worked out with, um, usage over time. Actually,
it's four and the one for stay three replacement. The one one's a new one. One's
a new one. Yes, sir. Right. Okay. And that's, that was the schedule. The three stays on the schedule that we have
set forth. Okay. And the new one is, is
it new one for station number seven? Several more time number seven. Yes.
do you have staff for that new pumper today? No, we are currently working on
that. Um, you got four years to get it. We have four years to get it. That's, that's the
pro, that's one of the biggest, that's one of the biggest things. It's four years till we'll see these vehicles.
okay. I think we gotta worry about that. I guess I was gonna ask about the timeframe too. And he already says four
years, so it's like, okay. Yes. All right. Thank you. Thank you.
okay. I'll ask for a motion to, uh, approve the consent caliber. So move
roll call. Motion
made by mrs. Noles to approve the consent calendar as submitted.
mr. Shepherd? Yes. Mrs. Noll? Yes. Mr. Drury?
yes. Mr. R? Yes. And mr. Ho? Yes. Motion
carried. Now I'll come back to, um, the county attorney report.
mr. Hill. Uh, thank you mr. Chairman. Uh, I don't have a whole
lot this evening other than to just mention and note that the general assembly, obviously
is in full swing. Um, I think it's safe to
say there's a lot of interesting things going on right now. Say
the least. Um, of, of most interest to local government, there's focuses on,
um, what, uh, the administration is calling affordability.
and for our purposes, that is going to have probably some significant
impacts on our zoning and authority and authority over housing,
both in the terms of potentially limiting, uh,
what the county can do going forward in certain instances and perhaps even
overriding existing authority. Uh, there's a lot of things,
a lot of interest in data centers, um, and
a lot of interest in reevaluating how state and local government is financed.
uh, one thing I'll note, uh, as probably be all, all of you know, is that the,
this session, it is, it is almost certain that the cannabis, um,
legalization and retail structure is going to be approved.
there is significant discussion. Uh, there's already proposals
on the floor that will, um, address
how much authority local governments have to, um,
control, uh, establishments. And the, their,
their proposals vary from, you can't do anything to, there
are some limitations. The previous bill from last year
that was vetoed by the governor would have allowed localities, um,
uh, a referendum that seems to be off the table. And now the discussion is
how much or how little authority the local government, uh, attorney's
association has a, um, has convened a
small group to discuss this, which I'm a member of, uh, because I know our
locality has a lot of interest in that particular topic. So we will have more to
discuss on that in the future. Thank you. Thank you.
county administrator. Mr. Bellamy. Mr. Ard. Thank you.
um, I had two real quick items, but I'm actually gonna ask,
uh, mr. Drury to talk about the no wake signs. Okay. You
okay with that? Mm-hmm . Okay. And then the second item I wanted you to be aware
of, uh, the chief and I and chief segerblom have,
uh, been emailing back and forth about the weather. I just wanted everybody
to be aware the potential is there for a significant snowfall.
uh, so keep an eye on the weather and it is, uh, forecast
to be very cold through the week, so it could present some
real challenges for us. Other than that, I'm available for questions.
any questions for mr. Bellamy? Thank you. I don't have mr. Bellamy,
but before we're done, I do have a question for mr. Hill, but I think you're up next. No, if
you, um, I will now I'll go to matters presented
by the board. I'll start with ladies first. With who? Me?
ladies first. Oh. Oh, here we go, ladies first.
actually, um, january 10th, I went to christopher newport
university for the grand opening of their science and engineering
research center, otherwise known as cert. I've
got to tell you, normally when I go to christopher newport, I am just in a few
different buildings for meetings or, or theater or things of that nature. I,
I have not gone back behind those buildings for quite a while.
and if you haven't been on the campus, you should
see how that campus has grown and the buildings are, are,
are going to be here for 50 years plus 50 years. I think
there's, the, the construction is, is so classic
and it is, it is mind boggling
the opportunities that students now have. I remember when christopher newport was
just a day school, and it has 30 years ago,
um, paul triple came and I don't know if you all remember, but
at that point, what he was looking at building, he had a vision
and the first thing that he built was the ferguson center. And the architect was
pay, pay, ppi. And he came around
to all the different localities for contributions.
and I'm very proud of the fact that york county contributed significantly to
it, but not as much as he wanted. Look what it is now today.
it's absolutely fantastic. And it was more fun because
I was standing, standing out, you know, watching what was going on. I wasn't gonna sit
down. And a young woman came up to me and she said,
mrs. Noll, I said, oh, okay, . It turns out that she
was a member of the youth commission at one time,
and she's now serving on the board of directors or whatever they call it,
of the alumni association. And she's in into marketing
and she lives in reston. And I think her parents may
still live here. And I, I apologize because I didn't get any names.
so after we had the, the, the ribbon cutting, we had
to, we had a tour to go through. And so I, I got into the,
um, market, ma, masters, makers,
makers, I think that's what it's called, uh, laboratory.
and there were two students in there working on
using them right now, a little machine. And they were trying to work it on, on the computer
and make it work that way. And one of
the students youth commission.
and I thought, isn't this wonderful? And I,
I, one of the girls, I can't remember which one it was, the girls was a euphemism
term at times, but she said, she tells people
or to look out for the youth commission, they should apply
for the youth commission. And this is something that we've always pushed. So I
really wanna congratulate those of those who have served
on the youth commission. Um, I think steve has done a, steven
rons done a wonderful job with the past couple of years, several years
now, I think working with the students. But it is always
good to know that what you invest in bears
fruit and seeing these two students both
stretch, maybe one was 15 years older than the other one, and the one might be the
freshman. I'm not really sure. But
it, it makes what we do. Wonderful. And thank you, thank
you all for supporting the youth commission. And I'm saying this because
I would like parents, if you watching this program at any time,
is to talk to your, your, your children who are in high school
and tell 'em that there's so much that they can learn about local government
and the opportunities that are out there for them as these young women did.
so hats off to the youth commissioner and to the new youth
commissioners. Look what you have to look forward to. Thank you
mr. Shepherd. Yeah. One of the things I
occasionally do get to drive around and, and, uh, and just kind
of look at the, what's going on in the county. And, uh, something
recently got my attention. I'm driving down 17 and there's a truck
on fire, okay. And I went, okay, well normally, you know, it's
a truck on fire. Then I'm driving through one of my neighborhoods. There's a house, looks like it's burned
down. And then I then I hear about our chief is
over at, uh, I think it was the food line in pco, wasn't it? At that, uh,
that it, uh, it was right here. The fire breaks out in there in the back room or something. And
our chief is the man on the job. So, and then, and then, and
then I find out another house is burned down and running, man. And I'm going like, what the
heck is going on? And uh, and it seems like it gets around
winter time. I don't know. Things seem to to
happen when it comes to fire portable. And one time I was at, uh, I was,
I was doing a ride along with chief payne at the time, and we were up in williamsburg
and we get a call and, and so off we go to this, uh, fire in james
c county. And, uh, a guy had, uh, had, uh,
was having a thing, I think it was, uh, thanksgiving and um, they were having a dinner and
all of a sudden smoke started coming out of the laundry room. And he had taken, uh, extension
cords and hooked up all his, uh, all, all his, like the dryer
and the washing machine and everything is all these extension cords. And sure enough, one 'em caught
on fire and, and kind of smoked at the house. The point here
is, I'm not sure what's going on this year, but it just strikes me that we're
seeing a lot more house fires. So I ask the chief if he kind
of give, explain what's going on, and, uh, he showed pictures of wherever the
houses were. But the thing he pointed out was that most accidental
fires in your county are in residential, uh, occupancies
and are caused by cooking . Okay. So don't, okay, well that's where you turn it on right?
to dinner. But then you got electrical fires is another common one. Um,
and then you got appliance failures, that's another one, especially dryers.
and you get lint in air and that, that can be a lot of fun. Um, and then
there's the arsons that somebody potentially will set on, unfortunately not that many.
and then we have commercial that the, like the chief saw. So
I was start trying to start my fireplace the other day, a, a gas fireplace. And
I hadn't started in 15 years. I couldn't get it started. Well, I hadn't
let, hell let gas button down long enough, the gas get through the system. I paid
$120 for a plumber to come out. And he pushes the button,
sits there holding, boom, starts right up . And uh, he said, well, you
did all the hard work. Mm-hmm . Getting the, clearing it out. The point is pay attention.
it's the wintertime. I know everybody's getting all cozy and wants that coat's on and,
and you leave things on. And that's a good way for the chief and his
crews to, to get out there and get some exercise by putting out the fire in your
house. So I just wanted to bring that to everybody's attention. Pay attention.
alright, thank you . Alright. Um,
I think mr. Drury is prime to talk about no wake zone, so I'll defer that to you. Um,
I want to hit upon, uh, we talked a little bit or heard a little bit tonight from the
on the hill gallery, and I had the opportunity, I, I missed the
opportunity to go to the, um, the ribbon cutting, but I didn't make it by there
later last year sometime. And if, if
you hear gallery and all you picture in your head is paint is on the wall, you are missing
out on a large breadth of different type of art styles and works
from local artists around here. So if you haven't been there, I encourage you to go
check out, see what they have. It's really accessible right on 17
heritage square shopper center. Easy to get into plenty parking, uh, check
it out. Um, as a member of the, um, victory ymc advisory board
and the healthy kids day subcommittee, and everybody know we've got the,
this year's annual healthy kids day scheduled on april 18th. It's
a great event. Um, a lot going on there. And I'll bring that up
again as we get close to that date. But if you wanna participate in healthy kids
day, the window to sign up to participation closes in
feb in end of february. So if that's an interest to you as a, as a presenter
or response or whatever, um, make sure you get in there before that window closes.
and last thing is for mr. Hill, um, one of the
pain points for data center is energy usage and the way that drives
up costs for everybody across the board. What's the limitation
on, is it the state level? Is it the federal level that drives,
well, if data centers are consuming more power, then they need to pay
more for that as opposed to everybody paying it. Wh where, where's that limitation?
do you know? Is it it, is that something the state can control? Is that something comes from the federal level?
I I don't, I don't have a real answer for you on that. Okay. I can look into it though. Uh,
uh, there, there are attempts, there are several bills that are attempting to address that
particular issue. It seems that
the, the feeling is, is that it's a, it's a,
um, it's a, um, what's the word I'm looking for?
or excess issue that
they, um, dominion, dominion has the, the dominion
and then the big utility in the western part of the state that I can never remember. The,
they, they, they have the power to, to control who can,
who can interconnect at what time and
put some guardrails on allowing additional connections
if there isn't. But, okay. It's a, it's a very, very complicated issue.
right. And that, and just wondering where do we, where the residents go to,
to engage to get some assistance there. Is it your,
your, your delegates in richmond, or do you go to your congress people
in washington for, for assistance? That's where, where the rubber meet the road? Or both?
or both. Right. So thank you mr. Brewery.
okay. Um, well, since mark brought it up, mr. Bellamy,
um, I wanted to mention tomorrow evening at the sheriff's department
in the community room is a public meeting, uh, for
the no wake zone, um, signs that are out in the
waterways. I know we've had some issues, uh, this past summer, uh,
out back my house, in fact of, um,
some of the, um, people that pull boats over. I can't
remember what, which department it was. There's several, several out there were pulling these
boats over for no wait sign. And, uh, some of the
residents are saying that sign was, uh, an illegitimate sign. So we
tasked, uh, mr. Bellamy and his team to find us
all the, uh, recommendations that the board has put forth and voted on
for the signs. And so we're gonna go over that tomorrow night. The county's gonna go over
that and tell you exactly what is there now, what has been approved and
what has not. Uh, and then they'll have recommendations on how to move
forward with that. So if you're interested in, you don't have to live in the water, but
if you're a boater and you're out there in the water, you may wanna be interested in that. Um,
so I would encourage you to be there. You'll have a, a time for a public hearing
and you'd be able to speak, uh, on your behalf or someone else's behalf. So
that's between five and seven tomorrow evening at the sheriff's department.
um, number two, uh, wanted to ask our county administrator
about the exemption on the live in shoreline for the tax
exemption and how we can, uh, visit that topic
maybe next, uh, next month, uh, on what it would take to,
uh, address that. I've already addressed that to mr. Bellamy earlier in the meeting.
okay. So, okay. Good. Um, and then,
um, three, uh, and, uh, mr. Bellamy's
already mentioned it, the, the storm's coming. And in all indications, it
could be a pretty bad one from what I'm seeing on the, the, the, um, weather
channels that I've been watching. So I'm just telling everybody to be prepared.
get your generators out and running. Um, make sure you get your
pets and keep them in, um, and take care of your elderly,
the people that you love and, and cherish. Make sure they're taken care of. Check in
on 'em very frequently. Um, but this one could be
a pretty bad storm according to the weather channel. Um,
and last but not least, I always want to,
um, talk about the great businesses coming to york county and where
we're at on some of them. I had the privilege to go by virginia beer company this
past week and q addies this past week to get a tour.
and, um, virginia beer company is slated for a ribbon cutting on the
29th of this month. And, uh, q daddies I think is
gonna probably be about a week behind them is from what I'm seeing, they're probably gonna be the first
week in february. Um, if you, if you've gone
by the cookout demo, uh, it's on the ground. So they had a big pile of
concrete when I went that went by there today. So that's moving along. If you've
been by chick-fil-a, that's, that thing is getting ready to get erected here pretty darn quick. I see
they've got trusses already on the ground. Um, they've got pipes in the ground,
concrete's in the ground, uh, from what the owner operator's telling me they're shooting
for april. Unless the weather holds 'em up. I think we're gonna have a chick-fil-a
in april. 'cause it's moving along really, really quickly. Um,
and, uh, tommy's, uh, the new car wash is coming along
really, really quick. I was surprised how fast that thing is has been erected.
so, uh, anyway, got some great, great business coming. Hopefully we'll get
this, uh, we'll get this sheets coming through and, uh,
the public will get started here soon. Start generating some more revenue for the county
and take it off the backs of the taxpayers. Thank you. Thank you. Mr. Drewry
had a couple of items, um, wanted to start with discussion on, uh, primrose
school of yorktown last friday. Each of the board of supervisors
was able to drop by for the ribbon cutting that we held, uh, at primrose
school. Uh, it's owned by two us navy veterans, amber
and, uh, michael lemke. It's, uh, located on draft craft
and drive. Uh, it's primrose school is a us based network
of franchised accredited private preschools providing early
education, early childhood education. There are now over 550
of these schools across 36 states. The school officially opened
this morning with 56 students enrolled and will grow
to approximately 200 students currently employing 25
staff. And that will also grow to about 35 reason I
bring this up. In addition to, uh, giving a shout out to the fabulous couple who
have, uh, started up, uh, and are running the school, is the fact that it went from groundbreaking
to opening in seven months. In fact, 21
months from the initial site plan submission to completion,
the primrose school's franchise developer who was on site for that, uh, ribbon cutting,
made a point of pulling me aside and complimenting york county
on the ease and the speed of the approval process. He has worked all
over the us and has never encountered a location where
the complete submission has been so efficient. So kudos to our
staff and my appreciation to mark and his entire team for making this happen.
the board has made it a point over certainly the last couple of years to focus on streamlining
the approval process for new businesses. And this example stands
out representing the early successes of the county. So well done
discussion on property assessments. Homeowners in new york county have by now
received their property tax assessment and this is done on a two year cycle.
the last date of schedule, an informal review with the county assessment office
is january 27th and february 27th is the last
day to submit a formal application to the assessor's office. Should you choose
to pursue a formal appeal through board of equalization,
pay attention to your real estate assessment. I have personally reviewed over 500
homes in my district. By and large, the assessments are correct
and fair in terms of matching true market value. Based upon recent home sales
information, I've noted about one to 2% of the assessments, however,
have needed correction or rework. Now is the time to speak up if
you feel that you have been incorrectly assessed. My compliments to
christie pittman, the county assessor and her team within the assessment office. They've
been very thorough, responsive, and professional in dealing with the owner's
concerns. But if you have concerns, get them in quickly.
and finally, upcoming budget discussion. The board has begun to review or receive a
number of email correspondences on the budget. This can be done by going to york
county homepage and selecting budget information in the dropdown list
or email directly to bos@yorkcounty.gov.
and I encourage our citizens to reach out and express your concerns and
your compliments. We accept both and I will tell you that we pay attention to
the input. And as chair, I've already begun to, uh, provide direct feedback
to those citizens who've reached out. We'll have multiple opportunities
for public forums. Two of the meetings march 31 and april 2nd,
similar to last year, include one-on-one discussion with the board and
feedback from each supervisor at those meetings. These two meetings are held in the
upper county at griffin yates and the lower county at the york pcos and sheriff's office.
this is your chance to be heard aside from an election year. Take
advantage of these opportunities. Thank you, mr. Shepherd.
will you take us into closed session please? Okay. Uh, in accordance
with section 2.2 dash 37 11 a, one of the code of virginia,
I move that the board supervisors convene enclo meeting to provide
a per, uh, to consider a personnel matter involving appointment
of individuals to boards of commission. Okay. In accordance
with section, uh, 2.2 dash 37 11 a
three, the code of virginia, I moved, uh, that the board of supervisors
convene a closed meeting regarding real property use for a public
purpose, uh, specifically, uh, pertaining to
the possible acquisition of several parcels of real property for a public
purpose. Roll call please. Mrs.
noll? Yes. Mr. Drewry? Yes. Mr. Rome? Yes.
mr. Shepherd? Yes. Mr. Hoy? Yes. Motion carry
and I.