[0:04] Good evening. I'll call the, uh, regular meeting of the, uh, york county board of supervisors
[0:09] meeting to order. And we have had a, an accident on 17
[0:13] that's resulted in a number of people not being able to make it here on time. We're gonna immediately go to
[0:17] recess and resume once we have sufficient quorum.
[0:26] we resume the meeting of the, uh, york county, uh, board of supervisors january 20th.
[0:31] I thought I had the shortest, uh, rec meeting on record, but, uh,
[0:35] that didn't last long. We now have, uh, quorum. I'll call for roll
[0:40] call, please. Mr. Roy?
[0:45] yes. Mrs. Noll? Yes. Here. Mr.
[0:49] drury. Present. Mr. R. Here. Mr. Shepherd. Here. Mr.
[0:53] chairman, you have a quorum. Thank you. We'll now move to the, uh, invocation.
[0:58] uh, brian fuller will lead us in prayer.
[1:06] please join me in prayer. Father, we can do thanks for
[1:10] this day and for the many blessings, opportunities, and even challenges
[1:14] you have bestowed upon us. Thank you also for the freedom
[1:18] and opportunities you have graciously provided, which allow us to gather
[1:22] this evening to consider county business. Give us we pray wisdom
[1:27] and discernment as we consider each business item, and help us to
[1:31] make good decisions that we have a positive impact upon our
[1:35] citizens and the county as a whole. We humble prayer in your holy name. Amen.
[1:40] amen. Mrs. Noel, if you would take us through
[1:44] the, uh, pledge
[1:49] allegiance to the flag, the united states of america,
[1:54] and to the republic for which it stands. One nation
[1:58] individual with liberty and justice for all.
[2:08] first on our, uh, presentations tonight, we have, uh, service recognition.
[2:12] I'm gonna turn the mic over to my vice chair. He will lead us through that. And I will go
[2:17] to the podium. That's me.
[2:21] that's you. Okay. Thanks.
[2:30] service recognition. Uh, the first one that will be, uh, for 35 years
[2:34] of service, assistant chief, an anthony prada,
[2:38] fire and life safety chief baldwin.
[2:50] thank you, mr. Shepherd. Mr. Horo, members of the board of supervisors, thank
[2:54] you for the opportunity to recognize chief prader for his 35 years of service to the county
[2:58] and, and the department of fire and life safety. Chief pto joined us
[3:03] back in january of 1991, rose to the ranks, serving as lieutenant several
[3:07] different captains assignments, positions, and was promoted to his current role
[3:12] as assistant chief of support services in june of 2018.
[3:19] thank you. Had each other several times over the years. Always
[3:23] a pleasure. I have a gift for you, chief baldwin,
[3:27] if you can join us for the photos
[3:31] you can. And
[3:35] then we'll both find out what's in there. , that's
[3:39] your certificate in pen.
[3:48] thanks, kim.
[3:53] thank okay. For, uh,
[3:58] next recognition for 20 years of service is master deputy
[4:02] sheriff investigator david schafer, your county sheriff's department,
[4:06] the sheriff montgomery wade. You're doing the presentation. Okay.
[4:10] good evening, mr. Holloway. Members of the board. It's my privilege tonight to introduce
[4:14] you to master deputy investigator david schafer. David
[4:18] was hired by the york percussion sheriff's office in december of 2005.
[4:22] he had spent his prior two years in law enforcement with portsmouth. Just
[4:27] before that. Since he's come to the sheriff's office, he's been a patrol deputy.
[4:31] he was a member of the sheriff's office bike team, field training officer, general instructor.
[4:36] and in 2017, he was promoted to his current rank of investigator.
[4:41] while he is been in investigations, he's been assigned to the homeland
[4:46] security human trafficking task force, and he's also our drug investigator.
[4:51] while he was a member of the homeland security human trafficking task force, he was
[4:55] part of the team that led the prosecution and the successful prosecution
[5:00] of the largest labor trafficking case to date in the commonwealth of virginia. That
[5:04] occurred, sadly, here in york county, but he was responsible for putting four individuals
[5:08] in jail as a result of his investigation. He's
[5:12] joined tonight by his wife, kendra, his son, grant. He has a daughter, peyton, who's
[5:17] at home not feeling too well tonight, so she couldn't make it. So please join me and congratulating
[5:21] investigator david schafer. Thank, thank you very much,
[5:28] sheriff. If you could join us
[5:32] certificate and pin and we thank you for your service.
[5:39] thank you. Thank you. Sure. Thank you. And
[5:43] that's all we have for the, um, presentation recognitions. Uh,
[5:48] we'll now move to the state of the norfolk airport and introduce,
[5:52] uh, let's see. Mark perryman. Where? Mark, where are you?
[5:57] oh, there he is. Okay. I just saw him the other day. Uh, he's the president and chief
[6:01] executive officer of the norfolk airport authority. Welcome.
[6:08] is that mine? Yep.
[6:15] we got it. This keyboard out.
[6:21] thank you, uh, commissioners. And mr. Shepherd, always good to see you again.
[6:27] very happy to be here. And, uh, giving, giving you the state of the, uh, airport, our
[6:31] own, uh, norfolk international, or more commonly known as orf.
[6:35] we love our orf, don't we? So, um,
[6:39] I got a little presentation about, uh, 15 minutes, and then I'll be glad to take
[6:43] any questions you have from, uh, the commissioners or even their audience if you'd like. Um,
[6:48] what I'd like to usually start with is a little bit of history of who we are. 'cause a lot of people
[6:52] are confused about who the norfolk international, uh, airport authority
[6:56] is. We're actually an independent subdivision of the commonwealth virginia. We're not a department
[7:00] of the city, uh, or anyone else. Uh, we are an independent co, uh,
[7:04] subdivision of the commonwealth. Uh, we do have a board of commissioners that are
[7:08] appointed by the norfolk city council, but that's really where our tie with the
[7:13] city of norfolk, uh, starts and stops. Many, many years ago, we started as
[7:17] municipal airport, but that has, uh, since changed, you know, decades and decades
[7:21] ago. The airport itself is, uh, independently owned and operated by
[7:25] the authority. So we own the land and we operate the airport independent of, uh,
[7:29] any other jurisdiction. What I like to say is we're really a city within
[7:33] the cities that surround us in hampton roads, and we really service
[7:38] all 17 cities and counties, uh, of hampton roads, including the
[7:42] three counties and the cities down in, uh, northeast, uh, north carolina,
[7:47] the outer banks and and whatnot. Uh, we just like you,
[7:51] and we, we have a, a, a large employment of about 230 personnel
[7:56] and growing. Uh, we have our own police and fire, as well as our own,
[8:00] uh, uh, basically public works, janitorial building, maintenance field maintenance and
[8:04] everything else. So everything that a city really does and has as a function
[8:08] or a county, uh, the airport does as well. Uh, we, the only thing we really get
[8:12] is mutual aid from virginia beach and, and city of norfolk when we have large
[8:16] incidents that may occur at the airport. Otherwise, we're pretty well self-contained.
[8:21] but that's where we kind of start and stop as a, a, um, acting
[8:25] like a municipal jurisdiction or a governmental entity. We really are acting
[8:30] more like a business. We incur costs, uh, we earn revenue,
[8:34] and we really are self-sustaining. We receive no tax dollars other than
[8:38] what we generate from parking and our other revenue sources. So we didn't, we don't
[8:42] get any local taxes or subsidies. That's where we differ. We have police power, condemnation
[8:47] power, but we don't have the power to tax otherwise, we'd be a municipality.
[8:51] so, uh, that's how close we come. But we're not quite, so our, our major
[8:56] sources of revenue come from our parking, and that's, uh, that's one thing we
[9:00] control, just like you do in the, in as well, and other municipalities do.
[9:04] and then, uh, what surprises people is that the airlines only pay for about 15%
[9:08] through their landing fees for our operating costs.
[9:12] uh, and so we, it's really, we have to generate our operating
[9:17] budget, which is about $80 million, uh, this year. And then we have a
[9:21] capital budget of about 250 million right now and growing. Uh,
[9:25] and I'll talk a little bit about that as we go. Um,
[9:29] as a entity, we also have a great impact on the entire region and
[9:33] the region's economic, uh, via, via via, uh, viability
[9:38] and volatility. Um, we have commissioned odus
[9:42] dragus center to do an economic impact study. They've now done it for a couple of years for
[9:46] us, and have found that about $2.7 billion of
[9:50] economic activity is generated by the airport alone. And that comes into
[9:55] earnings and, um, jobs and everything else. We, we, we account for
[9:59] nearly 22,000 jobs, uh, associated with the airport
[10:03] directly the airlines. Uh, and, and you can kind of go out from there to your
[10:08] secondary and tertiary impacts. But, um, we are currently
[10:12] underway with about a billion dollar development program, 993 million
[10:16] to be exact, at the present time. So, uh, we're pretty excited about
[10:20] that. And I'll talk a little bit more about that in a moment. When I
[10:24] first got here, it's just a little under four years now. April will be four years for me.
[10:29] um, I brought in, I, I came in with the idea that we needed to start benchmarking
[10:33] ourselves against other airports around the country and around the world. 'cause
[10:37] we're an international airport after all. So there's a program, an international program called
[10:41] skyras, and I enrolled us in that, not so much to get the accolades, but really
[10:45] it's an independent audit company that comes in and audits your,
[10:49] your airport and tells you, this is what you do good. This is what you do, okay. And this
[10:54] is where you really need to improve. And that was really, uh, a very, uh,
[10:58] positive tool for us as we started to develop our development program and plans
[11:02] surprising to us, I thought we'd probably get a three star or somewhere in that
[11:06] vicinity. We are a four star airport. Mind you, there are only seven, four
[11:11] star airports in the entire country, and we're one of them. And so we're very
[11:15] proud of that. And I attribute that to my very talented and devoted
[11:19] staff who take care of that airport day in and day out. What's more surprising
[11:23] is we get benchmarked against other airports around the world. So we are, we're
[11:28] considered a really, a domestic oriented airport. We have very little international,
[11:32] small eye, as I call it, versus a lot of other airports. So we got,
[11:36] uh, uh, evaluated against other domestic oriented airports around
[11:40] the world. And we are, we're considered the fourth best domestic airport
[11:45] in the world. Uh, and if you look at the list to, to, um, tokyo
[11:49] haida, uh, osaka, and, uh, chendu, those are all in
[11:53] far east asia, uh, china and japan. So when you
[11:57] peel it all away, we're the best domestic airport in the country. And
[12:01] all of north america. We're very proud of that. And you can see some of the other us airports
[12:06] right behind us, dallas, left field, chicago, midway and kansas city.
[12:10] and mind you, kansas city just spent $2 billion on a brand new terminal. And
[12:14] so we ranked above them even. Um, now talk a
[12:18] little bit about the commercial aviation market. Uh, 'cause that's what we are in.
[12:22] uh, you may have seen here recently. Uh, the, in the, in the news in the media
[12:27] that we just reported, our best year, again, ever.
[12:31] this is the fourth year running that. We've had a record year, albeit
[12:35] this year, not by much, only about six tenths of 1% above last year.
[12:40] and I can, you can see two little dips there on the chart in, on the red line.
[12:44] one of 'em was last february. Uh, we had a leap. We were coming off a leap year.
[12:48] so we're one day short in our activity, and that surprises people. But that
[12:52] counts for a little bit of, uh, uh, decline as well. That's when we
[12:56] got hit by the snowstorm last, uh, last year. Um, even though
[13:01] we never closed airlines, preemptively canceled. And so we lost activity
[13:05] there. And then you'll look again in november, where we were down about five, a little over
[13:09] 5%. You can probably imagine the government shutdown had an impact on
[13:13] us. And even though the government shutdown started in october, people had
[13:17] already booked flights and they were already planning. But by november, people were starting to pull back
[13:21] because they, nobody knew when it was really gonna end. And so
[13:25] we can see we rebounded very quickly, uh, from that and had, uh, another
[13:29] good, uh, december and rounded out the year very well. Um,
[13:34] one of the things that is, is great about our airport is the number of nonstop destinations.
[13:39] we now have 45, uh, actually I should revise. I need to revise that. We're now
[13:43] up to 47 nonstop destinations here shortly with the,
[13:47] uh, san juan, puerto rico and cancun being added. Our
[13:51] first international and our near international with san juan.
[13:55] uh, what's important about that, uh, chart to the, on your right there is
[14:00] where we stand. We're about middle of the pack there with 45.
[14:05] every airport on that list is bigger than we are. And if you
[14:09] look down a little, just a little way, san jose, california only has 41 nonstops.
[14:13] that's an airport that's twice our size, more than twice our size. Milwaukee, memphis,
[14:18] all airports larger than us. And we have more nonstop destinations.
[14:22] a lot of that is attributed to breeze airways, who we landed about four years
[14:27] ago and have brought 20 nonstop destinations to us
[14:31] and growing. They're the ones also who just brought, brought us cancun. And I think
[14:35] we soon we'll see more international caribbean destinations from
[14:39] them. But we're not stopping there. Here's a list of our top 50
[14:43] destinations, uh, that passengers fly to. You can see on
[14:47] the left hand side, that's our top 25. We almost have that one
[14:52] rounded out. We need seattle and san, san antonio, texas. And then we'd have
[14:56] all top 25 nonstops. And then on the right hand side is
[15:00] the rest of the top 50. We'll, never probably quite get that, because I don't think we're
[15:04] gonna fly nonstop to honolulu, our number 34 destination,
[15:08] although we'd love to do that. But I think we'll fill, start filling that
[15:12] out a lot more as we are dropping the greenland bars off of that as we go.
[15:17] and then international, there's been a lot of talk about what we're doing internationally and trying to
[15:21] fly transatlantic. Uh, we, as I said, we just started, we're now
[15:25] two weeks into our cancun operations and things are going smoothly
[15:29] and growing there. Um, but we are still actively chasing our
[15:33] transatlantic routes. And I think, uh, within the next year or two
[15:37] at the most, we may land that, but it's gonna take a coalition
[15:42] of the entire hampton roads region to be able to do that. 'cause as you can see
[15:46] on the right hand side, here's where we compete with other airports around the
[15:50] country. Kansas city, jacksonville, san antonio, comas, all larger markets than
[15:54] us, uh, that are also competing for transatlantic service. So we're, this
[15:58] is where airports compete, transatlantic service in particular. And you can see
[16:03] richmond's just a couple of notches down below us. But we still have a stronger, uh,
[16:07] demand for transatlantic service than they do. As I mentioned.
[16:11] uh, we're in the game. We're, we, we will win this service at some point,
[16:15] but it's gonna take a coalition of our local governments and cbbs our businesses
[16:20] and development agencies. The general assembly plays a role in this as well, as
[16:24] well as the authority itself. Uh, it is gonna take all of us together to land
[16:28] those international flights. 'cause we have to show that airline that we mean
[16:32] business, that we are gonna back that service at
[16:37] least initially while it's getting started. And so it's gonna take a lot to be able to do that,
[16:41] and it's gonna really require all of us. But we do have the demand. We've,
[16:45] we've proven that we can fill two flights a week to,
[16:49] uh, somewhere in europe, whether it be dublin, london, paris,
[16:54] uh, frankfurt, somewhere, uh, or even revic iceland would get us into
[16:58] the network of, of airlines. And what we're really trying to do there is, and I'll
[17:02] use the example of if you try to go to prague from here, you're going to change
[17:06] planes at least twice, if not three times. If we can get from here to dublin,
[17:11] you can get from dublin to prague. So that's the kind of change in dynamic
[17:15] that it changes, uh, for our, our traveling public. And likewise,
[17:20] them coming here is a big change for them. So let's
[17:24] talk a little bit about the future of orf and where we're going in this billion dollar development
[17:28] program. Uh, some recently completed projects, we just, uh,
[17:33] recently closed runway 1432. That was our crosswind runway.
[17:37] uh, it was not being used very much, very, very little because
[17:41] it's so short. And with our air carrier fleet changing, it can no longer
[17:45] accommodate commercial air service. So we closed that runway because that
[17:49] runway takes a lot to maintain and upkeep. And so we have
[17:53] a lot of development, other development that we need to, to do there to be able to, uh,
[17:58] accommodate, uh, the growth that we are having. Uh, the moving sidewalks. That
[18:02] was the number one complaint when I arrived. Uh, when I met the public. When are we gonna
[18:06] get our moving sidewalks back? I said, well, if we, if the federal feds will help out,
[18:10] we'll do it. And sure enough, they did. And those are now operational as of, uh, earlier
[18:15] last year. And then, uh, we have shoreline. We are surrounded
[18:19] by water on three sides of the airport. So we have very similar to, to
[18:23] a lot of, uh, the land around here have to concern ourselves with our
[18:28] shoreline. And so we just did a shoreline replacement project, uh, late last year. And,
[18:32] and it was very successful as well. Some of the projects
[18:36] that are just ongoing are just wrapping up. Uh, we just finished, uh, we're at
[18:40] the punch list stage of our interior wayfinding. If you've been to the airport recently, you've
[18:45] seen these new bright lit signs where you can find your way around
[18:49] as, uh, opposed to the old bei on bei on beige, as I used to call it.
[18:53] uh, we're about to open three new gates on the a concourse, uh,
[18:57] which american airlines has agreed. And they're gonna be moving into. This is gonna be a brand
[19:01] new space. Bright, uh, high ceilings and windows. It's not
[19:06] gonna be as enclosed as our current hold rooms. And then next
[19:10] week, we hope, uh, we'll have the final punch list and approval to open
[19:14] our new federal inspection services or our new international arrivals
[19:18] facility, which customs and board of protection will be moving into. And so that's
[19:22] pretty exciting for us as well. And then a few of the projects that we're
[19:27] have just recently started that are, are really getting into the large dollar,
[19:31] uh, tick ticket items of our capital development program. Uh, we're gonna be
[19:35] improving the intersection as you come in right now, as you, as you know, you come across the
[19:39] norview avenue bridge and which direction do I go? It's a y and it's
[19:43] like, it's very confusing. We have a lot of accidents there. And then also the robin
[19:48] hood road connection. That is, if you come off of that, uh, we're gonna be straightening,
[19:52] straightening all that out, creating a brand new lighted and signaled intersection,
[19:57] uh, as the new gateway into the airport. Very easy to find and easy to
[20:01] navigate through. Um, that's one of the reasons why all the trees started to
[20:05] come down at the front entrance to the airport. The other reason is the second project was
[20:09] our consolidated rental car facility. Right now, they're housed within our two
[20:14] floors of our, uh, a garage. Um, they're
[20:18] out of room. And our, the, as our growth grow, as passengers grow, also
[20:22] the rental cars grow, and we really don't have any more room to accommodate them within the parking
[20:26] structure without taking more parking away from our patrons. And we don't want to do that.
[20:30] um, in addition, they have to service every vehicle that comes in and needs to be
[20:34] vacuumed, washed and, and, and fueled. They have to drive it three
[20:39] miles down to military highway to a facility and then bring it back, which delays the
[20:43] turnover of vehicles. So we're building a brand new state-of-the-art, consolidate
[20:47] a rental car facility, which will have a wash rack and fueling station right within, built
[20:51] within the campus so that they never have to leave with the, to service the
[20:55] vehicles. And it's, it also increases the capacity of value, about
[21:00] 35 to 40%. So we have plenty of growth for the future years,
[21:05] and project has started as well. And that's also going in that area where the
[21:09] trees have been recently removed. And then finally, the, the, uh, other project that
[21:13] will be starting later this year, which is the new departures terminal, we're going
[21:17] to take the two wings on either side and bring the, build a new building off
[21:22] the front. And so it'll basically parallel the back claim
[21:26] building. And we'll have one curb, so there's no longer which curb do I go down for which
[21:30] airline. So it'll be much more convenient for everybody to, uh, navigate
[21:34] through the airport. And then that also provides a lot of other opportunities of
[21:38] consolidating our rental car or not our consolidating our checkpoint tsa
[21:42] checkpoint. Instead of having the two, we'll have one. And so that once you're behind
[21:46] security, you can go to a or b without any problems. Uh, along with that, we
[21:51] are, uh, just getting started on a brand new concessions program. You may have
[21:55] also heard a lot about that. Uh, we're gonna be having a lot of new local
[21:59] restaurants, uh, and shops, uh, to the hampton roads area
[22:03] within the airport of cova brewing, if you know that. Uh,
[22:08] town city, town city cold press, uh,
[22:12] oh, hope the ghost kitchen, uh, which is a food truck that will be their first brick
[22:16] and mortar. And so we're helping a young entrepreneur. You'll
[22:20] bring a restaurant up. And so we're gonna be doing that in the, uh, in the airport.
[22:24] it's also happens to be the most popular food truck we have at the airport, so
[22:29] it's gonna be great there. So there's just a few of the projects that we have underway.
[22:33] and here's just a little video and I turn,
[22:41] there you go. So this is what it will look like as you're crossing into norview.
[22:45] here's that new interchange that I referenced. The new orf
[22:50] signage that it comes in.
[22:54] wave finding will be much easier with the high overhead gantry signs and
[22:59] things of that nature. We're gonna keep, we're gonna bring trees back, but there'll
[23:03] be more street scaped and appropriate as a boulevard.
[23:07] and then what you've seen in front of you now is the new consolidated rental car
[23:11] facility. You'll actually enter that from the robin hood roadside,
[23:15] 'cause we don't want to have as many street penetrations on the boulevard coming into the
[23:20] airport. So you'll enter and exit that on the robin hood road,
[23:24] uh, uh, side road.
[23:28] and on the left you can see the existing arrivals, uh, building, uh, where your bad
[23:32] claim is today. And then on the left hand side is the new, uh, departures
[23:37] building. Uh, there, this is a little outdated. Uh, we've now extended that
[23:41] building a little bit more so that we have more, uh, drop off, uh, curb front. Um,
[23:45] this still had a little bit of the side to side, but, uh, we're, that's being
[23:50] changed as we speak, uh, because we actually got a better price
[23:54] from our contractor. Uh, so we're able to do more for less
[23:59] in that moment. Here you can enter the, the new ticketing hall
[24:06] your driver drives, like we stuff and .
[24:11] so this is our new ticketing hall and, uh, vertical circulation change
[24:15] where escalators and elevators will be moved to here. One central location that you'll
[24:19] go up, you can see the high ceilings. Uh, that little
[24:24] bridge that you see there, that's part of the existing pedestrian bridge that'll be brought inside.
[24:28] and then you'll see the ticketing is, uh, uh, much more,
[24:33] uh, pull that down on the right. There was at the, that's the original that'll
[24:37] be actually brought around to the front. That's the one change that, uh, we just
[24:41] recently made. Um, and so here's the new ticketing hall out
[24:45] front. And then also this side will, uh, is swinging out as well.
[24:50] so there'll be less, you won't go as far back into the building as you do today.
[24:54] so all the way down where southwest is on one side and united is on
[24:58] the other, those will become other functions within the airport. So it'll just be
[25:02] a little, little u shape is what it's gonna become.
[25:09] good morning. If we can go to questions now, we are a little bit behind. Okay. Okay.
[25:13] I all, this is on transform f.com and you can go out and take
[25:17] a look. So start on my right. Mrs. No, thank,
[25:21] thank you very much. I wondered if hrbt has affected the passenger
[25:25] travel from the peninsula. Um, it,
[25:30] I, I don't say that it has necessarily, but it will, once
[25:34] the tunnels open up, we anticipate much, much more traffic free,
[25:38] free flowing down. Um, it's an optimistic point of view. I agree with you,
[25:42] . Well, given the current state of, uh, phf and
[25:47] its number of flights, I, I, I pretty much think, you know, it's gonna be us or going
[25:51] north to richmond is, is gonna be the option. I think a lot go to richmond right now
[25:55] in the peninsula. Absolutely. So it'll may change. We'll see. Yep. Thank you so much. You
[25:59] bet. Yeah, just, uh, kind of anecdotal, um,
[26:04] information. My daughter goes to richmond, the fly to boston, and I found out the other
[26:08] day that we, jetblue flies from here directly to boston. This is a lot closer.
[26:12] so she's gonna come, start going over there now. Save her an hour trip,
[26:17] basically. Absolutely. Well, we were just talking about this today in staff meeting
[26:21] that, um, the addition of jet, one of the reasons we lose, we lost so
[26:25] much traffic to richmond was jetblue because we didn't have jetblue. They did.
[26:29] and a lot of people are very loyal to airlines as we know. Jetblue
[26:33] just went, started with one trip to boston. Um, starting this
[26:37] next month, they will be flying boston, fort lauderdale and san juan, puerto rico.
[26:42] so they see something in orf and they're now gonna grow. I think
[26:46] they're kind of kicking themselves from limiting the themselves to richmond for so
[26:50] long. Right. The, um, so the uh, um, and the
[26:54] construction, the tunnel will be done in 27, so that should take care of
[26:58] that problem. Um, and, uh, I'm just wondering, you
[27:02] gonna be able to handle, if there's an expansion of, uh, you know, the terminals where
[27:07] you have to like, you know, you go down to atlanta, whatever, and they got these wings of, you
[27:11] know, terminal a, terminal b and all that, you be able to do that. We've got plenty of,
[27:15] uh, with this new program that we're developing this billion dollars we're investing,
[27:19] we will have plenty of capacity to handle, uh, twice the passengers
[27:24] we do today. Okay. Well great. Mark, thank you very much for coming. Thank you,
[27:29] wayne. Yeah, thanks for coming. I appreciate the,
[27:33] uh, update. Uh, a lot of exciting stuff going on. It looks like you're
[27:37] doing a great job. So keep that up. Um, I, for 1:00 am
[27:41] uh, looking forward to more international flights so I don't have to drive to washington
[27:46] to get out of dulles. Uh, 'cause that's, uh, a nightmare trying
[27:50] to go up there. So I'm looking forward to some of those international trips coming right out. Know,
[27:54] so let's get that tunnel done so I don't have to fight that either, so. Absolutely.
[27:58] but thanks for your time. You bet. Alright. Yeah, thanks for the,
[28:02] uh, overview. Very informative. I learned a few things. Um, your
[28:07] staff does a great job, uh, providing an enjoyable travel experience once you're at the airport.
[28:11] thank you. But getting the airport, and you touched upon this a little bit and be a bit of a stressor
[28:15] mm-hmm . Are there opportunities that work with local municipalities, city of norfolk
[28:20] vdot to try to find ways to get your travelers to your
[28:24] facility easier and less stressful? Well, um, one of the things,
[28:28] and, and I just noticed this, and, and mr. Shepherd was there at the last meeting where we went over
[28:32] the, um, h tpos, the tip and that, you know,
[28:37] that's key to getting any surface and interchange, uh,
[28:41] modifications done. Uh, we do have a modification, uh,
[28:45] request in for the robinhood military highway. Right now, it's, it's
[28:49] not a fully functioning interchange. So if you're leaving
[28:53] the airport and trying to go east and south, you have to go to norview. Uh,
[28:57] with, with that, we're gonna try to get that fixed at robinhood road. The one
[29:02] thing I didn't say is we're straightening out robinhood road with the runway closure. We're gonna
[29:06] bring that straight across, and so we're gonna improve that corridor, which doesn't have
[29:10] all the lights, doesn't have all the residences like you see on norview.
[29:14] and I think it'll provide a, a better experience for most travelers coming to
[29:18] the airport and much easier to get in and out of. Okay. Good to hear. Thanks. Yeah. Okay,
[29:23] mark, great presentation. Thank you for coming and sharing that with us. You have one question. Sure.
[29:27] how many corporate jets do you handle in a, in a day or a week? Uh, we
[29:31] have 88 based aircraft there. About half of those are small single engine
[29:35] piston and the rest are corporate jets. Uh, on any given day, we're
[29:40] probably, you know, 40 to 50 corporate
[29:44] flights a day. Uh, we have quite a bit. And we are, we just, um,
[29:48] with the offshore wind project, uh, that's going on with dominion, uh,
[29:52] heli services is a new company, uh, that's based out of new england. They're
[29:57] actually gonna set up an operation here to service that dominion, wind, wind farm, and they're
[30:01] gonna be flying, uh, 10 helicopters or more a day out to the
[30:05] wind farm just to service that. And so they're gonna be at orf as well.
[30:09] we've often heard of schooling being a reason people move to this area, but ease of, uh,
[30:14] of airport traffic is another big reason why a lot of people absolutely. In this
[30:18] area. And with all these changes and plans, we're just, we're not gonna change
[30:22] who we are as an airport and what we are as an airport. We just wanna make it easier and
[30:26] better for our public. I was just gonna add on to that, what we've learned, uh, from
[30:30] some of our, uh, time spent with other municipalities around here.
[30:35] companies are also looking for that ease of transport in and out of
[30:39] locations. And, uh, this is ideal for, uh, for anybody in the new york county region.
[30:44] absolutely. Thank you for your time. You bet. Thank you so much.
[30:49] next on presentations we have, um, budget mid-year review.
[30:53] susan goodwin will lead, uh, that discussion.
[31:11] good evening. Tonight I'll be reviewing our midyear financial
[31:15] forecast. Uh, we're halfway through the fiscal year, so we have enough financial
[31:19] activity to forecast what we think where we're gonna land at the end of this year with revenues and expenditures.
[31:25] so, um, as the board is aware, we're consistently doing budget monitoring to make sure
[31:29] that the assumptions that we made the budget are tracking how we would expect.
[31:33] and so we do that, um, through a variety of different ways from
[31:38] running, um, projections. After each, uh, payroll is run
[31:42] to running different revenue and expense trend reports to having, uh,
[31:46] systems within our financial system to stop overspending accounts
[31:51] so that, you know, it prevents that from happening. All of those practices help us,
[31:55] um, monitor the budget and help us develop the next year's budget based on what changes
[31:59] we're seeing. Tonight I'm
[32:03] gonna be focusing on general fund, uh, which is the primary operating fund of the county.
[32:08] and when we're looking at the general fund, um, there's over 200 individual revenue line
[32:12] items, but the revenues listed here are our key revenues and make up about 92%
[32:16] of our budget.
[32:20] so the first is real estate tax revenue, and that is our largest single revenue source
[32:25] and the general fund, um, you'll see here
[32:29] on this chart that we have the last four years of actual activity, our budget for
[32:33] fy 26, and then the light is blue is where our projection for
[32:37] where we think we're gonna land this year based
[32:41] on the first half collections. You know, collections real estate are in december and june. So we've got
[32:45] our first half collected. We are currently projecting real estate tax
[32:49] to, uh, finish above budget by 1.2 million.
[32:57] uh, the next thing that we always talk about when we talk about real estate tax, um, that goes hand
[33:01] in hand with it, is the disabled veterans tax relief. Uh, and we talk about
[33:05] that in concert with the real estate tax revenue because it does represent a, a large
[33:10] portion of our, uh, real estate tax revenue. Um,
[33:14] this tax exemption started in 2011 and it has grown significantly
[33:18] since then. Uh, in the past year alone, the total exemptions have increased by $1 million,
[33:24] um, at 5 million, uh, for 2025. That represents almost 4 cents
[33:28] on the tax rate because we have a higher concentration of
[33:32] of veterans in this area. We do anticipate that we're gonna continue to see growth
[33:36] like this in the exemption program. And what is the disabled tax relief if
[33:41] you include personal property? It, that brings it up another 1.3 million,
[33:45] so 6.4 mm-hmm . Speaking of
[33:49] personal property, um, like real estate, we collect this in
[33:53] december and in june, and based on the collections today, we're expecting this to fall
[33:58] just a little short of our budget by about $300,000 for the
[34:02] year. Public
[34:06] service corporations or utility companies like, you know, power gas,
[34:10] telecommunications, and those are valued by the state. And we receive those valuations in
[34:14] september each year. You can see we had a spike in 25. Uh, we backed the budget
[34:18] down in 26 because we thought it would kind of stabilize and it did.
[34:23] we got those, uh, values in september and we are tracking to be right on budget at 3.7 million.
[34:32] so now I'm gonna kind of talk through our other local taxes and how they're trending. I provided this
[34:36] slide just to show, um, all the, the state code, um, references
[34:40] that give the county the authority to collect these taxes. Thanks.
[34:48] um, the state collects 6% sales tax from retailers and distributes
[34:53] 1% of that to the county. Uh, at this time we only have collections through october,
[34:57] so that trails quite a bit. Um, and based on those collections, we're expecting to fall
[35:01] short of our fy 26 estimate by about $300,000.
[35:06] we think some of this may be attributable to the government shutdown in october. Uh,
[35:10] we'll have our november collections soon, and so we'll be able to see if that's kind of
[35:14] rebounded. But right now, based on that trend, we think it's gonna fall a little short.
[35:20] the historic triangle tax, um, um, in addition to the 6% sales
[35:24] tax, we do the 1% historic triangle tax in williamsburg, james city county, and
[35:28] york county. 50% of that revenue is deposited directly into the state
[35:32] historic triangle fund. The other half, which is displayed here, is deposited into
[35:37] our general fund and we're expecting to meet that budget of 6 million.
[35:42] and that's the 50%? That's 50%, yes. That's 6 million
[35:46] or that is what we get 50. That's 50% and that's 50%? Mm-hmm . Okay.
[35:50] the other 6 million goes to the state.
[35:55] so meals tax of 4% is charged on prepared food and beverages.
[35:59] 50% of our meals tax in the county is goes to support capital
[36:03] projects for, uh, storm water, sewer, and water. The other half
[36:08] is what you're looking at here that goes directly to the general fund. Um, this
[36:12] one here is, we're projecting about $80,000 below
[36:16] what our budget is for the year. Um, similar to sales tax, it may be
[36:20] a little bit of slow down from the government shutdown. Um, but we,
[36:24] we will have a better idea, uh, soon when we get a couple more months of collections.
[36:30] lodging tax of 5% is paid for any, uh, room rented on a short term basis.
[36:35] 60% of the revenues, um, are earmarked for tourism activities per state
[36:39] code. The remaining 40%, which is what we show here, um,
[36:43] is allocated to the general fund. And we are expecting to meet budget this year.
[36:51] business license revenue is due annually on march 1st, and it's based on
[36:55] a business's gross receipts for the proceeding calendar year. So we haven't started
[36:59] collecting these yet, but we do expect to slightly exceed budget just based on
[37:03] uh, uh, what we're seeing so far.
[37:08] so what does this mean for our total revenue projection for 26?
[37:12] here you can see all those categories I've talked about. In total,
[37:16] we expect a minimal revenue surplus, about 800,000, which is
[37:20] less than 1% of our revenue budget.
[37:26] and here, uh, we show all the expenditures by, by type,
[37:31] um, and we are projecting some modest savings in several of those, um,
[37:35] categories, totaling about $2.1 million.
[37:41] so when you take those two together, the revenue surplus and the expenditure sur surplus, it
[37:45] totals about 2.9 million or 1.5% of our
[37:50] adopted budget. What falls into the personal, uh,
[37:54] services category? That's salaries and benefits. Okay,
[38:00] that makes sense. And so to put that in perspective, um,
[38:04] on how we compare to prior year surplus, um, I wanted to show
[38:08] what our surplus has been since fy 20. Of course we had the spike in the covid year,
[38:13] uh, when we had a lot of one time, excuse me, one time funding cares
[38:17] and, and arpa. But since 23 it's kind of returned to pre pandemic levels.
[38:21] you can see here this year at 2.9 million. It's looking a little bit lower than we've
[38:25] seen in the last couple years. But again, if things we're gonna continue to monitor that data
[38:30] as we get those collections on sales and meals and adjust, um, you
[38:34] know, as we see fit, and again, that will help inform us further our fy 27
[38:38] budget.
[38:44] that's all I had. Any questions?
[38:49] start over on my, uh, left. Any questions wayne?
[38:54] yeah. Right back to where you were at the, uh, surplus history. Uh,
[38:59] it's looks like it's dropped down from six, almost 7 million to
[39:03] around three. What's the, what was, what's the cause of that? Are we
[39:07] projecting? Yeah, well you might recall last year we were projecting around three, which
[39:11] is, you know, our budget team does a phenomenal job of getting it close. You
[39:16] need to be conservative 'cause you don't wanna, you know, push it too much and then, you know, have to
[39:20] adjust your, your budget during the year, uh, because you don't have enough revenue.
[39:24] but they do a really good job of getting pretty close within this time, we're looking at one and a
[39:28] half percent. Last year at this time we were budgeting about $3 million surplus,
[39:33] but with the fy 26 budget, we did change the tax rate and
[39:37] so we got half that collection in 25 that we wouldn't have expected
[39:41] because of the timing of the tax rate increase. Mm-hmm . So last
[39:45] year we really ended with 3.9 million before you factored in the effect of
[39:49] the tax increase. So all I'm saying is it's tracking similarly
[39:54] to it as it did last year. Okay.
[40:03] anything else? Not right now, david. Yeah, so 2.9%
[40:08] is 1.5 of the general fund, 1.5% of the general fund,
[40:12] correct. 2.9 million, yes. Mm-hmm . Okay. What, what is our normal target for
[40:16] a surplus or for a general? It's, it's higher than that. Well, I
[40:20] don't, I wouldn't say that we have a target for a surplus. Um, you know, we, we are,
[40:25] you know, budget conservatively to make sure that we don't have any, you know, unexpected,
[40:29] uh, changes during the year. Um, but I wouldn't say we budget for a surplus.
[40:33] I mean, we want some cushion and I think $3 million is, is is pretty close.
[40:37] the finance director might have a different, uh, opinion on that. Right. That's what I was getting at. Mm-hmm .
[40:42] our comfort level as far as is reasonable comfortable at
[40:46] $3 million or did we look for a larger cushion
[40:50] for unexpected sewer sewer line breaks that we gotta
[40:54] pay for? Yeah, I mean we, things like that mean, you know, it's a fair question and I think
[40:58] maybe around 5 million would've feel would, uh, we, we'd like to see that,
[41:03] um, the board will call at the end of the year. We look at that surplus
[41:07] to help us in lots of ways. One time funding for capital projects. And so, and we
[41:11] count on that in our cip when we're doing that planning of allocating part of that
[41:15] surplus to the cip. So in that regard, we do want to have some there, but it's
[41:19] a, you know, delicate balance to budget conservatively but not overestimate
[41:24] so that, you know, you have a, a giant surplus, um, at any given year, so.
[41:28] right. I know I'm not really answering the question, but is it is, well you gave me an idea, but
[41:32] we need to have something there. Should something catastrophic happen during the year
[41:37] and we have something to fall back on and if mm-hmm . And if nothing catastrophic happens and it goes to
[41:41] pay down debt to courts capital projects, so right. It works that there.
[41:45] you mentioned earlier about the impact the federal government shut down had on some of our numbers.
[41:50] and I'm asking you to look into a crystal ball a little bit here, but how
[41:54] exposed are we with our budget and the cycle we're at?
[41:59] should we see ano another government shut down here in the near future, or?
[42:03] well, it, it de our consumer sensitive revenues really are affected by things like
[42:07] that. And so we see people starting to react and change their habits and,
[42:11] you know, outside of real estate and personal property, uh, the next largest, uh,
[42:15] revenue sources are those consumer sensitive ones. And so it is a concern,
[42:19] um, you know, again, with only having collections through october
[42:24] for sales tax, it's kind of hard to say, uh, we think the indicators are that it's
[42:28] rebounding, um, but it is something we're always paying close attention to. And I will
[42:32] say in addition to the surplus, you know, the, the county does have a fund balance policy,
[42:36] so we have a reserve for if there was something catastrophic that would occur. So we
[42:40] don't rely on the surplus for that. We do have, you know, fund balance, you know, set
[42:44] reserve set aside as part of our financial policies to make sure policies to make
[42:49] sure that in the case of an emergency we can pull on that. Right. Uh, this just can add
[42:53] to it or help with some of that one time funding. Right. Okay. Alright. Thank you. You know
[42:57] what that reserve fund is approximately?
[43:01] it's, uh, yeah, 22 million.
[43:06] okay. Ish. 12% of our total, um, general fund
[43:10] budget is what the target is at the end of each year for unassigned fund balance.
[43:15] okay. Thanks susan. I'm
[43:19] looking at the projected 26, uh, surplus is 1.5.
[43:24] historically, how much has it our surplus been over, let's say
[43:28] the last five years? Percent wise? Percent wise? Yeah. I mean, I think it's anywhere
[43:33] from like two to six, 4%. Yeah.
[43:37] I mean two to four. Two to 4%. Yeah. And so, I mean, again,
[43:41] that's pretty close if you think about how we're, you know, that's what I'm
[43:45] thinking about. Yeah, I mean it's not, uh, again, it's the balance
[43:50] of, of getting close and a lot of times, you know, we'll have vacancies, vacancies during the
[43:54] year, so we know we're gonna, you know, usually see something in the
[43:58] expenditure category that helps toward that. Um, so again, it's just, it's just
[44:02] finding that balance and sometimes the times things don't happen the way that we expect, you know,
[44:06] we wouldn't have necessarily anticipated a, a government shutdown for
[44:10] as long as it was mm-hmm . Um, so that's contributing as well.
[44:15] thank you. Now I'm good, thanks.
[44:19] I'm actually good as well. Okay. Most of my questions have been answered already. Thank you, susan.
[44:25] at this point we'll move to, uh, citizen comment period.
[44:29] uh, first speaker I have is pam poeo.
[44:46] good evening. My name is pam poeo. I reside at 1 0 3 kimberly court. Yorktown.
[44:51] imagine walking down the street and passing an alleyway. You see a woman being
[44:55] raped. Do you ignore it and hurry on your way? Or do you call 9 1 1 and
[45:00] try to stop the attack? If you do nothing, you are just as guilty as the
[45:04] rapist. When asked why he was stalling the release of the epstein files,
[45:08] trump said, my friends will get hurt. Yes, he's concerned about the
[45:12] rapists, not the victims. Maga republicans knew trump was
[45:16] a convicted felon and sexual assaulter. He hired undocumented aliens at his resorts
[45:21] and construction sites. He was convicted of defrauding people with his trump
[45:25] foundation in trump university. He tried to overthrow an election that over
[45:29] 60 courts, 50 governors, and numerous recounts said
[45:33] was not rigged, which he refused to accept. He was responsible for
[45:37] an insurrection that resulted in 140 law enforcement officers being injured in
[45:41] the deaths of five people. He promised, pardon the attackers,
[45:46] trump's laws lies every time he opens his mouth. You knew what
[45:50] he was and you just didn't care. Trump said, of respecting international
[45:54] law, the only thing that can stop me is my own morality. My own mind
[45:58] of which he has neither trump is using the depraved thugs
[46:02] of ice and border patrol to frighten, intimidate, harass, assault, and murder, both
[46:06] immigrants and us citizens, including children invading our states and
[46:11] cities with democratic governors and mayors. Virginia will be next on the hit
[46:15] list. This is an unconstrained madman who thrives on chaos
[46:19] and engages in actions to intimidate, silence and extort the news media,
[46:23] law firms, museums, universities, art institutions, libraries,
[46:27] large corporations and foreign nations. Trump is a murderer of those
[46:31] who are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. He is on
[46:35] a revenge and retribution, retribution crusade for those who have not been the
[46:39] need to. His malignant narcissism trump's very own heinrich himler.
[46:43] steven miller said, we live in the real world that is governed by power.
[46:47] these are the iron laws of the world. Since the beginning of time he went on
[46:52] to say that as a superpower, we have the right to take what we want when we want.
[46:56] laws are for the weak minded greenland, cuba, columbia, mexico,
[47:00] and canada are in his sights for conquest. Trump said of his reasoning
[47:05] for seizing greenland. It is psychologically important to me.
[47:09] he is threatening nato countries with tariffs who do not bow down. Our president
[47:13] of war can't get over being denied the nobel peace, peace prizes.
[47:17] trump's ego must always be stroked trump pardons sex and drug
[47:22] traffickers. Yet he goes after madura. Why? Because he will somehow profit from the
[47:26] oil reserves and he is p****d off that madura was successful in his overthrow
[47:30] of a federal election while trump failed. After trump's world war ii,
[47:34] we will have the equivalent of the nuremberg trials school children will ask why
[47:39] no one stopped trump and his minions. How will you explain your acquiescence?
[47:43] our house is on fire and all you want to do is break out the marshmallows.
[47:47] thank you. Next
[47:51] I have, uh, victoria kennedy of colonial casa
[47:56] state your name and address please. Three minutes. Good
[48:00] evening. My name is victoria kennedy. I'm with colonial casa 39 17
[48:05] midlands road. And williamsburg, I wanted to just
[48:09] take a moment to thank you. First of all, casa stands for court appointed
[48:13] special advocates program and we, um, train
[48:17] recruit volunteers to advocate for children who've been abused and neglected.
[48:21] and for over 18 years, the county has been supporting our organization
[48:26] so that we can appoint these volunteers to children to ensure
[48:31] that they have their best interest known.
[48:35] we work collaboratively with the courts, with guardian ad litems and
[48:39] with the department of social services. And it is because of you all putting
[48:43] us on your line item for over 18 years that we can
[48:47] continue doing what we do for these vulnerable children. And I'm just here tonight
[48:52] to say thank you. Thank you.
[48:57] next we have, uh, daniel lab brando.
[49:02] again, uh, state your name and address. Three minutes.
[49:07] uh, good evening. My name is daniel lab brando. Uh, my address is 1500
[49:11] seaford road, um, here in seaford. So, um,
[49:16] I've recently undertook a ambitious project at my residence,
[49:20] uh, to address some unchecked erosion
[49:24] occurring at a fairly alarming rate. Uh, to be honest, uh,
[49:29] to this end, I'm having areas along my bank be reinforced with rip wrap and
[49:33] about 200 linear feet of living shoreline. Um,
[49:38] I don't think I have the time really now to explain the nuances of each of these and, and what
[49:42] the, what it means unfortunately. But the goal is twofold
[49:46] for me. It creates, uh, a permanent solution to preserve my property
[49:50] for hopefully my kids one day. You know, the erosion of course over time and it
[49:54] creates, um, uh, an marked improvement for the environment by stopping erosion,
[49:59] uh, fostering sea grass growth, filtering pollutants, creating habitat,
[50:03] uh, and so forth. The project is fully approved, has been permitted by
[50:08] the army corps of engineers by the virginia marine resource commission and here
[50:12] in new york county by the wetlands board. Um, I've gone through that process, um,
[50:16] successfully. So immersing myself. Um, in this project, I learned
[50:21] that the state of virginia has adopted a provision in the state
[50:25] code that allows for a full exemption of taxation applied
[50:29] to such improvements made to a property. Um, the exemption
[50:34] is to incentivize this sort of preservation effort,
[50:38] um, because as you can imagine, it is very costly and it's born solely
[50:43] by the property owner. Um, for this provision
[50:47] to apply. In my case, for example, um, this virginia
[50:51] code would need to be adopted at the local level. Um,
[50:56] and after consulting a few different offices here in york county,
[51:00] I am confident in saying it hasn't been adopted, um, in the county
[51:04] code as as of today. Um, so,
[51:09] um, the reason why I'm here today is to make, uh, the
[51:13] formal petition to the board, uh, for landowner such as me,
[51:17] uh, to adopt this virginia code, um, to title 58
[51:22] decimal one dash 3 6 6 6, uh,
[51:26] here in york county. Thank you. Thank you.
[51:34] next speaker will be, uh, amanda orette of avalon center.
[51:41] hello, my name is amanda doggett and I am here on dog. Sorry. It's okay. I have
[51:45] terrible handwriting. , I am here on behalf of avalon center, um,
[51:50] like our speaker from casa. I was here, um, charged and
[51:54] honored to stand before you and thank you for your continued support of avalon center.
[51:59] um, just very briefly, avalon center is a domestic violence and
[52:03] sexual assault, dual credited agency based out of greater williamsburg just
[52:07] on iron bound road by five forks cafe, which I highly recommend.
[52:11] uh, we serve 11 independent cities and counties, one of them being york right here,
[52:16] you all very generously, uh, funded us with $4,200 last year.
[52:20] and I can't tell you what a difference that made. Um, we get grants from,
[52:25] um, the state government, the federal government as well, but
[52:29] the funders from our community are really what means a lot.
[52:33] I don't wanna say the most, but you can infer because you all know
[52:37] very much how, um, this service is needed in our community.
[52:42] you see it every day. Um, I will say that every
[52:46] year we help around 1500 survivors of domestic violence and sexual
[52:50] assault. Our neighbors, our church goers, our
[52:54] coworkers, our colleagues, our friends, our fellow students. Um,
[52:58] around 10% of that 1500, um,
[53:03] receive advocacy services that are receiving advocacy. Ser advocacy
[53:07] services are from york county. Um, last year we received, um,
[53:12] 1300 hotline calls alone. 100 of those were york
[53:16] county residents. We provided over 2000 bed nights for york county
[53:20] residents through our residential services program as well. So I just wanted to stand here
[53:24] and say thank you, acknowledge your continued support. Um, and if you ever have
[53:29] any questions, please feel free, free to reach us at our 24 7 helpline, which is
[53:33] 7 5 7 2 5 8 5 0 1 5 1. Thank you so much.
[53:38] thank you. Next I have carolyn johnson,
[53:43] the arc of greater williamsburg.
[53:47] hello, um, my name is caroline johnson. I'm rep representing the arc of greater williamsburg
[53:51] at 4 38 mccaw circle in williamsburg. As everyone has said so
[53:55] far, thank you so much. I represent one of the social service organizations as well.
[53:59] uh, we cannot do it without your support and so I'm here to say thank you as well as give another
[54:03] quick intro onto what we do and why it is so important to be continued
[54:08] in funding. Um, so like I said, I'm representing the arc of greater williamsburg.
[54:12] we are a chapter of the arc of the united states. This year, our chapter
[54:16] is celebrating 50 years of service, which is an extremely exciting time.
[54:20] our tagline is the arc is there when the school bus stops coming, which denotes the population
[54:25] we serve. We serve adults with intellectual and developmental disabilities
[54:29] as they age out of public school special education programs at age 21.
[54:34] from there, they join the arc through either our four day a weekday program or
[54:38] our eight to 10 monthly evening programs. One of which I will be leaving
[54:42] momentarily to attend tonight is art. With art night, we have an artist coming
[54:46] in and doing a paint night for about 60 individuals. Um, many of who are
[54:50] yorktown residents who were on, I'm sorry, york county residents who are probably were on the bus
[54:54] about 30 minutes ago. So these programs, um, not only provide
[54:59] the social and educational opportunities for the clients, many of whom would
[55:03] go without, but they also provide respite for the caregivers. Oftentimes,
[55:07] parents or caregivers are 24 7 caregivers. The arc has
[55:11] provided over 28,000 hours, the respite time, with the combination of
[55:16] our programs to over 250 clients and families in the last
[55:20] year. And that number just continues to grow. Second to james city
[55:24] county, residents of york county make up the largest group of our our clients.
[55:29] we do not receive any federal or state funding, which is what makes funding from
[55:33] localities like you all extremely important as well as
[55:37] generous donors and supporters. Um, funding from york county specifically
[55:41] provides transportation support through our, um, transportation services.
[55:45] so we provide, uh, round trip transportation to and from all of our evening events
[55:50] on handicap accessible vans, door-to-door transportation, not
[55:54] only providing the safe transportation, but again, the respite time for the caregivers.
[56:00] so without this, um, without the transportation programs, many of our clients would not be
[56:04] able to attend our programs. And what that leads to is isolation. It leads to regressing
[56:09] social skills, cognitive abilities, which is why it's so important to
[56:13] continue to have our programs that can welcome as many folks as possible.
[56:17] um, again, thank you for your consideration and keeping us as a line item.
[56:21] and thank you for listening tonight to all of us and for your service.
[56:27] thank you, carolyn. Next I have mark williams
[56:32] name and address, please.
[56:41] yes, mark williams, five 13 charles road.
[56:46] whew, well, happy new year.
[56:52] I noticed I borrowed a, uh, jacket from the, uh, circuit court.
[56:57] there was a few items left over from last year that are gonna be
[57:01] included in this budget this year as we focus forward.
[57:07] and I just wanna reiterate what an honorable judge ick said. We really need to
[57:11] strongly consider all the word wording that he went over
[57:15] while he was here last december, how that's accomplished.
[57:20] um, there's a lot of details that I have discovered. I've done some homework and research and I hope you
[57:24] guys have also. Um, but there is a way out of the
[57:28] bind wearing with that court system. I myself am a victim of that court
[57:32] being without the rooms, he actually pointed back at me,
[57:36] or at least made a gesture. I have to go to williamsburg to
[57:40] settle a civil matter because we don't have the space here.
[57:45] but that's a personal issue for me as far as the, uh,
[57:49] county and that court system. You'll have to work out your budget accordingly to give
[57:53] 'em the space and the, um, resources that they'll need. With
[57:57] that said, um, one other thing. I normally don't carry things from the past forward.
[58:02] once I've tuesday's gone, I don't look back. However, I
[58:06] didn't have the time within the three minute timeframe, 180 seconds. Even if I
[58:10] speak at five second, five words per second, that limits
[58:14] me to about 900 words, and I cannot do that. At this podium
[58:20] last year, there was a deputy that saved a lady's life off of the, uh, bridge.
[58:25] I asked him if he didn't mind if I mention his name personally. His name is deputy
[58:29] mcmanus. He said a simple sentence that
[58:33] means so much that it changed that situation to save her life
[58:37] when she was hanging from the bridge. And what he said to her were,
[58:43] I do not have to know you to care about you.
[58:48] that was in response to her telling him she did not
[58:52] know him. He saved her life because he knew the right
[58:56] thing to say at the right moment. I commend deputy mcmanus.
[59:01] we should all have consideration of those feelings for another
[59:05] human being, even if we don't know them. I've got 37
[59:09] seconds left. I cannot complete what I need to say in three minutes.
[59:14] it was brought to my attention that batman is homeless. Batman is not cableless
[59:19] in york county. Everybody's concerned for
[59:23] mark williams one way or the other. And the public knowledge and the gossip that happens
[59:27] at food lion, it's a center's tongue that does what
[59:31] they do. People need to consider the impact
[59:35] that they have by their words, especially when
[59:39] they're gossiping and lying. I appreciate the person who brought
[59:43] it to my attention. I wish it would stop.
[59:48] thank you. Next I have gina stevens.
[1:00:00] name and address, please. Uh, gina stevens, two
[1:00:04] 19 parker lane, seaford, members of the board. Thank you.
[1:00:09] I'm here as a taxpayer who's tired of washing my tax bill. Rise. While
[1:00:14] accountability stays missing. A major reason
[1:00:18] taxes are so high is mark bellamy. He's your county administrator,
[1:00:23] controlling, spending and justifying every dollar is his job.
[1:00:27] and he's not doing that. And this board is allowing it. Your county
[1:00:31] does not use a zero base budget. Spending rolls forward
[1:00:36] by default. Programs survive because they already exist. The
[1:00:40] guarantees that guarantees higher taxes. Zero based budgeting
[1:00:45] has been discussed, but it's not policy. Until this board requires
[1:00:49] it and holds mr. Bellamy accountable. Taxpayers will
[1:00:53] keep paying for unchecked spending. One clear example of the
[1:00:57] county's is the county's free ev charging stations.
[1:01:02] they're not free. Taxpayers pay for them, including people who do
[1:01:06] not own electric vehicles. This is not a core government function
[1:01:11] by offering charging for free, the county is competing with private
[1:01:15] businesses that must charge for the same service and cover real costs.
[1:01:19] the county uses taxpayer money to undercut them. That's
[1:01:23] wrong. If the chargers stay, they should be user paid and cost
[1:01:28] recovery based. Taxpayers should not subsidize
[1:01:32] convenience programs also want to address representation.
[1:01:37] I wanna thank wayne drew. He represents the third district
[1:01:41] as he promised when he votes or abstains. He represents
[1:01:46] the people who elected him, including me. Sheila noll has
[1:01:50] no right to challenge his vote. His vote belongs
[1:01:54] to the third district. Stay out of it. One last thing,
[1:02:00] bellamy's corruption at taxpayer expense jobs for friends
[1:02:04] while we foot the bill bellamy. So-called josh's
[1:02:08] job search was a joke. The foas have proved it. So congratulations
[1:02:13] to 24-year-old trevor webb and his $90,000 a
[1:02:17] year job and go trump 2028.
[1:02:26] next I have, uh, kathleen wall arts foundation on the hill gallery.
[1:02:42] okay, good evening. It's nice to see everyone again.
[1:02:47] um, many of you are familiar with me. Uh, my name's kathy
[1:02:51] wall. I'm the president of the yorktown arts foundation. I'm here to
[1:02:55] thank you and to let you know what we have been doing with the money
[1:02:59] that you have funded us this past year. Um, the
[1:03:03] yorktown foundation plays a vital role in enriching the cultural and
[1:03:08] economic life of our community. We are reaching out to invite
[1:03:12] you to continue to support us.
[1:03:17] this year's especially meaningful to us because this is our 50th anniversary
[1:03:21] of being in being a nonprofit organization in york county.
[1:03:26] um, we're also thrilled to have recently moved into a beautiful new
[1:03:30] space at washington square. Some of you haven't been there. I know some of you have.
[1:03:34] it's wonderful. Uh, this move allowed us to expand
[1:03:39] our gallery and classroom offerings and to create an even more vibrant
[1:03:43] hub for the artists and our community. Um, as
[1:03:47] I said, yorktown arts foundation is a nonprofit organization dedicated to supporting
[1:03:52] artists, art, education, and community engagement for york county.
[1:03:56] through our gallery and give shop public events and educational programming,
[1:04:01] we provide meaningful opportunities for artists while offering accessible,
[1:04:05] enriching experiences for residents and visitors alike.
[1:04:09] so during the year, what we have done is we operate on the hill
[1:04:13] gallery, which is, as I said, washington square.
[1:04:18] uh, we showcase and sell artwork from local artists and
[1:04:22] regional artists. We also host community events such as yorktown
[1:04:26] art stroll, art river veterans art show, stroll,
[1:04:30] veterans art show, sorry, seasonal festivals,
[1:04:35] special exhibits. Um, we also have our summer camp
[1:04:39] with children, which is absolutely free. We provide also
[1:04:43] children and adult education classes, workshops,
[1:04:48] camps, and demonstrations. We also do outreach to the senior center
[1:04:52] and to children and people at our markets.
[1:04:57] um, we contribute to the vitality of yorktown
[1:05:01] by attracting visitors, supporting and creating small businesses,
[1:05:05] and strengthening our cultural identity. Our organization has grown
[1:05:09] and involved, so have the cost associated with maintaining our new space,
[1:05:14] providing supplies and instruction, hosting public events. While we are proud
[1:05:18] of what we have built, we continue to success depends
[1:05:22] on the support of local businesses and community partners.
[1:05:28] okay. Uh, your financial support, uh, is an investment
[1:05:33] actually in local artists. When we say small creative businesses, those are our
[1:05:37] artists who have small businesses selling their art, art education,
[1:05:42] children, adults, community events. And it gives us a vibrant,
[1:05:46] welcoming cultural destination. Before I left, my granddaughter said
[1:05:51] say, in other words, we do great stuff. So we,
[1:05:55] um, thank you for considering you and thank you again for supporting us in the past.
[1:06:00] thank you. Kathy. Your granddaughter is right. Thank you. Thanks.
[1:06:04] I have thomas daley, also from the arts foundation.
[1:06:13] evening, thomas daley, one 11 thorn, the rose drive. I'd like to provide a little detail
[1:06:17] to what kathy wall, uh, discussed about the
[1:06:22] yorktown arts foundation and a couple of programs. Two that I'm involved with. One's veterans
[1:06:26] art show. It's a show that showcases artwork from those that
[1:06:30] are serving. And those that have served the judge show.
[1:06:34] I've helped since 2021. The foundation's had it for the last seven
[1:06:39] year, held it for the last seven years, many years. We
[1:06:43] do get retired military, many years. We get active service. They come from fort
[1:06:47] useless yorktown, coast guard station. And, uh,
[1:06:51] norfolk naval station entrances have come from as far south as
[1:06:56] virginia beach kil, maroch suffolk,
[1:07:00] as far north as williamsburg. Again, active duty or
[1:07:04] retired military. We welcome public participation. So we have a
[1:07:08] people's choice award, and over a hundred have voted in the last
[1:07:12] three years. That gives you some sense of the participation of,
[1:07:16] of people viewing the show. 2023, we had 28 artists.
[1:07:20] each artist is allowed two entries. So double that for the number on
[1:07:24] the wall. 20 24, 22 artists. 20 25, 36.
[1:07:30] so think of that 2023. We had 28 now to 20 25, 36.
[1:07:36] essentially increased it by that much. Terrific to
[1:07:40] see that participation. Part of it is the effort from the foundation and getting
[1:07:44] the word out. Making sure this unique show
[1:07:49] is populated and viewed. Last two years,
[1:07:53] we have worked with elizabeth land, the yorktown library branch manager,
[1:07:58] and they have hosted the show there at, um,
[1:08:02] been in york county forever. I still think a library is new, but
[1:08:06] terrific venue. Uh, we're able to have the reception this year. We
[1:08:11] counted 73 people. They are introduced
[1:08:15] to the judge. They have a short discussion and then move
[1:08:19] out into the library so the judge can share their thoughts and the
[1:08:23] awards and, and, uh, how they're awarded. So it is
[1:08:27] a terrific venue for, uh, our veterans. The second event
[1:08:31] is the yorktown plain air. It was held, the first one was
[1:08:35] held this year in may. Plain air is described as the act
[1:08:39] of painting outdoors, which would be different than a studio experience.
[1:08:43] so what artists do is they come and register
[1:08:48] and, um, given, given an area
[1:08:53] they paint over a period of time, and then they move to
[1:08:57] have it. Judge. Ours occurred, uh, in conjunction with art of the river, with
[1:09:01] a farmer's market. It rained that day. So they moved in into the garage, which
[1:09:05] was, I thought was a challenge. But, um,
[1:09:10] the participation was outstanding. First one for yorktown. We had 17
[1:09:15] registered artists. They came as far away as richmond. Think
[1:09:19] of that. Richmond, norfolk, williamsburg, suffolk, and every
[1:09:23] city in between. Uh, the theme
[1:09:28] for yorktown is join a brush with history, and this
[1:09:32] year we're having it as a standalone with the farmer's market on april 11th.
[1:09:37] thank you very much for your support. If it wasn't for your support, we wouldn't
[1:09:41] have this kind of flexibility. Please continue with the foundation is a beautiful
[1:09:46] community development program. Thank you.
[1:09:50] thank you thomas and don therese.
[1:09:59] good evening. Thank you for the opportunity to speak. I am a,
[1:10:03] um, yorktown resident at 1 2 6 virginia lane,
[1:10:07] and I'm part of yorktown arts foundation. Um,
[1:10:12] I wanted to come here just to share briefly. I've been a part of the foundation
[1:10:16] for the last four years, um, acting as the children's
[1:10:20] educational program director for the last two years.
[1:10:25] and I wanna tell you how impactful the amount
[1:10:29] of, um, support that we receive from you, how it impacts our
[1:10:33] children, our families, and our community.
[1:10:38] um, as somebody has already said, we moved this year, which was
[1:10:42] a big feat for us. Um, we were here in this area
[1:10:46] for over 12 years. People knew where we were. They knew the walk
[1:10:50] path. They knew that we'd be here every summer. Now we are in a new
[1:10:55] location. And it was a little bit challenging, but we had a wonderful turnout.
[1:10:59] and that turnout, I hope, will only grow.
[1:11:03] we offer children's classes. Um, I offer
[1:11:07] two classes a day for the whole summer, um, for the
[1:11:11] month of july, excuse me. Um, we have various and
[1:11:15] assorted instructors that come far and wide to teach our children all
[1:11:20] kinds of things from basket weaving to painting to acrylics, um,
[1:11:24] to mosaics, to needle felting, to weaving,
[1:11:28] you name it. Children get an education, they get enrichment.
[1:11:33] they get opportunity to grow in skills and in community.
[1:11:37] I've seen how this is very beneficial for our community,
[1:11:42] for the families that we serve. A lot of families don't
[1:11:46] have the extra money to be able to provide these opportunities
[1:11:50] for our children. And the support that you offer us
[1:11:54] allows families to come and be enriched. Parents
[1:11:58] are impacted by it. They're impacted by the beautiful
[1:12:02] things that their children are doing in the classes, and the children
[1:12:07] are generously impacted by it. And we
[1:12:11] as instructors and just as community members and
[1:12:15] faculty members of the gallery are extremely impacted
[1:12:19] by our gallery and just all the things that we are able to do. So
[1:12:24] I just ask that you would continue to support us. And
[1:12:28] I look forward to this summer camp in july, um,
[1:12:32] which will be for the whole month for the children. And hopefully it'll be full. I had
[1:12:36] over 280 children step through last
[1:12:40] july. I've had over a thousand children the year
[1:12:44] before, step through our doors to be impacted
[1:12:48] by these programs that would not otherwise be available
[1:12:53] to us. So thank you for your time. And I ask,
[1:12:57] um, that you would just extend your grace. Thank you. Thank you, don.
[1:13:02] that is all the, uh, citizens I have signed up for citizen period. Anyone
[1:13:06] wishing to speak, please come forward. Shirley state your name and address.
[1:13:10] well, I, I put in a, uh, application so she has
[1:13:14] it. You've got it. I have nothing but accolades for
[1:13:18] all of you. I love every one of you. Y'all are
[1:13:22] doing a mighty fine job and all the things. Look at yorktown.
[1:13:27] it is absolutely magnificent. And I'm not
[1:13:31] kidding. I've been a part of the on the hill, um,
[1:13:36] group since marian bow created it.
[1:13:40] now, that's 50 years worth. And I'm gonna tell you this wonderful
[1:13:45] director, uh, kathy walls has done nothing but
[1:13:50] expanded. It used every possible person she could
[1:13:54] to make it happen better. She is really out there singing
[1:13:58] your song. She's out there with the children. I've
[1:14:02] even worked with the children. I am an artist. You know that 'cause you've got one
[1:14:07] of my paintings hanging, hanging in your, and, uh, I
[1:14:11] wanted to share with you, that is the gift that
[1:14:15] this special place gives to all of you. You
[1:14:19] are ready for 250th birthday. Look at all
[1:14:23] the beautiful things you've done with this town. I was here in
[1:14:28] 1981 for the 200th, and I
[1:14:32] pleasantly, um, rec, um,
[1:14:36] recognized ronald reagan and, and all that we had to do
[1:14:41] for the 200th. I was a chairman at that time. I love you.
[1:14:45] I love everything you do. I don't think you can do
[1:14:49] anything wrong. I'm sorry I'm not gonna fuss at you. I'm gonna praise you to
[1:14:53] the skies and thank you so much. Thank you shirley.
[1:14:58] anyone else, please step forward. Name and address.
[1:15:02] I am diane hartley. I work at peninsula agency on aging. Our, we
[1:15:06] have two offices, williamsburg and newport news. The newport news address is 7 3 9
[1:15:11] thimble shoal boulevard. Uh, newport news 2 3 6 0 6.
[1:15:15] and again, I just wanted to come and say thank you so much for the support
[1:15:20] that the county has offered to pa and for then to just say,
[1:15:24] we're so appreciative of the long-term partnership that we've had with
[1:15:28] the county. So I just wanted to spend a few minutes telling you, I'm sure you know, but
[1:15:32] just saying a little bit about paa and some of the wonderful things that we've been able to
[1:15:36] accomplish with york county. So, paa
[1:15:40] peninsula agency and aging is a 5 0 1 c3 nonprofit. We've been
[1:15:44] offering services and supports to older adults and caregivers of any age for
[1:15:48] over 50 years. Specifically some of the things that we've been working on,
[1:15:53] uh, include providing transportation for non, non, non-emergency
[1:15:58] medical appointments. We partner with the york senior center to offer
[1:16:02] any number of health promotion programs, which help people better manage their
[1:16:06] diabetes, prevent falls, tai chi to address arthritis.
[1:16:11] we also do a dining club with the york senior center, which provides socialization
[1:16:15] as well as a hot meal. We've partnered with york meals on wheels for over
[1:16:19] 40 years to provide funding for people who
[1:16:23] are meals on wheels clients in your county who meet the
[1:16:28] qualifications for our funding, which has to meet federal standards. So it has to do with,
[1:16:32] um, home bound and a few other things that we do. And then the last thing that
[1:16:36] I just wanted to mention among many other things is our veterans directive care program.
[1:16:41] so that's a program that we do in partnership with the, uh, va
[1:16:45] hospitals, mcguire and hampton, where veterans of any age who need nursing
[1:16:49] home level care, but choose to stay at home are given a budget so that they
[1:16:53] can hire family members or have other people come and provide in-home care so
[1:16:57] that they can stay at home and continue to thrive there. And again, just
[1:17:02] wanna finish by saying thank you so much for your continued support and partnership.
[1:17:06] thank you. Any others?
[1:17:10] seeing none, I'll close the, uh, citizen comment period.
[1:17:14] I would normally move on to the, uh, county attorney, county administrator
[1:17:19] and, uh, board reports. I'll move those to the end of the meeting.
[1:17:23] uh, does anyone require a recess?
[1:17:28] we will skip the recess given that we had one at the beginning of this meeting. And I'll move directly
[1:17:32] into the public hearings. So, mr. Bellamy,
[1:17:36] I believe you're up first for public forum fiscal year 2027 budget.
[1:17:41] uh, I am going to pass, uh, the proverbial but
[1:17:45] to mr. Gillette, our budget chief, who will come up and
[1:17:49] give you a presentation on this as,
[1:17:54] uh, mr. Shepherd also calls him the, the math guy
[1:17:58] .
[1:18:17] all right, thank you mr. Bellamy. This again, my name is greg gillette. Good evening, mr.
[1:18:21] chairman and board members. Um, before we move on to the public forum, as
[1:18:25] he said, I will be giving a brief presentation on the fiscal year 2027 budget.
[1:18:32] I'll start off by talking about our budget process. Uh, as always, the board
[1:18:36] provides us with our strategic guidance. Um, the departments
[1:18:41] and agencies submit their request to us, uh, typically in
[1:18:45] november. And then the county administrator budget staff and budget
[1:18:49] committee conduct review meetings with the departments during january and
[1:18:54] february. That's what we're about to commence, right as we speak.
[1:19:00] revenue and expenditure projections get reconciled later in the process.
[1:19:04] and then the county administrator presents the proposed budget in march.
[1:19:08] and then we have our public hearings, the board review and adopt in
[1:19:12] may.
[1:19:17] so, looking forward to our revenue outlook, uh, as you heard from ms. Goodwin
[1:19:22] earlier, uh, we're expecting modest to little growth in consumer taxes.
[1:19:26] again, we only have about four months of history on that
[1:19:31] and it's possible that that's being negatively impacted by the government shutdown.
[1:19:35] so we're gonna firm that up as we get a little bit further along in this process.
[1:19:40] um, there is also in the proposed governor's budget, some slight
[1:19:44] increases to state revenue. And with, uh, 2026
[1:19:49] being a reassessment year, we will have a full year of reassessment growth
[1:19:53] captured in this budget.
[1:19:59] so looking at our expenses, um, if we look at these by
[1:20:03] function, you can see that, uh, public safety and our school
[1:20:08] contributions make up 67% of our total
[1:20:12] expenditures. Those are our two largest, uh, expenditures
[1:20:16] by function. And looking at it a little bit
[1:20:20] differently, uh, by type, uh, personnel services
[1:20:24] are 39% and our transfer to the school division 37%.
[1:20:30] so those two make up 76% of our budget.
[1:20:40] so as we develop the budget, we keep these following considerations in mind. We
[1:20:44] want to continue to meet all of our legal and contractual obligations, and
[1:20:48] we're going to focus on investing in our employees. We want
[1:20:52] to continue to support the school division and maintain our current service
[1:20:57] levels. And then of course, we also want to invest in school
[1:21:01] and county capital needs on an ongoing basis.
[1:21:07] so, upcoming dates that are important for the budget development. Uh, the march 3rd
[1:21:11] and april 7th. Regularly scheduled board sessions, uh, work
[1:21:15] sessions. We'll probably have some budget discussions there. Uh,
[1:21:19] march 17th is when we will propose the budget to the
[1:21:23] board. And then between march 19th and april 16th,
[1:21:28] we've scheduled, uh, a slew of additional work sessions that will
[1:21:32] focus on the budget, uh, just like we did last year.
[1:21:36] uh, we also, as we did last year, have on march 31st
[1:21:40] and april 2nd scheduled town hall meetings. And these will be where the public can
[1:21:44] engage with the board on topics mostly pertaining
[1:21:49] to the budget. We'll have our public hearings on the budget
[1:21:53] and tax rates on april 21st. And then our scheduled adoption
[1:21:57] is at the may 5th meeting.
[1:22:03] so last, if citizens want to get more information on the budget, they can
[1:22:07] find out information at our website, which is listed on the slide,
[1:22:11] like an email or call into county admin. And we also have some,
[1:22:16] uh, short videos that are posted online that can also be viewed on tv.
[1:22:24] that's all I have, if anyone has any questions, any questions from the board.
[1:22:29] pretty standard. Okay, mark, I would ask
[1:22:33] one follow up. The, um, gentleman who talked about the va code
[1:22:37] 58.13 triple six, uh, the shore erosion.
[1:22:42] yes. If we, if we could have that also included in, uh, future, uh,
[1:22:46] review. I think it's another unfunded mandate, but I think it behooves us to, uh,
[1:22:50] to look at that. Certainly. Thank you.
[1:22:56] I have two people signed up to speak. Excuse me. Three.
[1:23:00] so I will open the public, uh, forum and call
[1:23:05] on those speakers. So amber martins
[1:23:13] name and address, three minutes. Um, good evening. I'm amber martins. I'm
[1:23:17] the director of innovation and engagement at lackey clinic. We are located at 1620
[1:23:22] old williamsburg road right here in york county.
[1:23:26] uh, first of all, I'd like to thank, uh, county administrator bellamy, as well as the board of
[1:23:31] supervisors for your continued support of lacky clinic over the years. Um, I'd
[1:23:35] like to take a couple minutes to tell you what your funding has done, um, for the citizens here in york
[1:23:39] county. Um, in fiscal year 25,
[1:23:43] lackey clinic provided free healthcare to over 320 york county
[1:23:47] residents. That's a 27% increase from the year before with
[1:23:51] a value of over $1.4 million in healthcare services.
[1:23:55] we're estimating in fiscal year 27 that we're going to serve over 400
[1:24:01] citizens of york county with a 1.9 million, um, estimate of value
[1:24:05] in healthcare services. Lackey clinic is a faith-based nonprofit
[1:24:09] healthcare center that provides free healthcare and dental services to uninsured
[1:24:14] adults. Um, across the state of virginia, we provide not only,
[1:24:18] um, primary and specialty medical care, dental eyecare,
[1:24:23] um, behavioral health services, chronic care management, and
[1:24:27] we also have an in-house pharmacy, which provides over $9 million worth of free and
[1:24:31] low cost medications to our patients. Each year. Our patients are the
[1:24:35] working class, so they're usually earning between 12 to $25 an hour.
[1:24:40] they earn just too much to qualify for virginia medicaid, but not enough to
[1:24:44] afford comprehensive healthcare. So they come to us.
[1:24:49] also, our patients are right here in york county. They're your retail clerks, they're
[1:24:54] your construction workers, your certified nurse assistants. They
[1:24:58] work at your favorite restaurant and they're small business owners. So by helping
[1:25:02] to fund us, you're helping to fund the economy here in york county as well
[1:25:07] because they're juggling multiple jobs, families, health concerns, and
[1:25:11] living paycheck to paycheck. They often face multiple social determinant
[1:25:15] of health issues, such as lack of childcare, reliable transportation,
[1:25:20] and inability to take time off of work. So they need healthcare options
[1:25:24] that provide 'em the flexibility to accept access that healthcare and mental health
[1:25:28] services in multiple ways with your funding. In 2025,
[1:25:33] lacky clinic developed and validated a hybrid care model, which
[1:25:37] offers an inexpensive, scalable, and replicable solution to these
[1:25:41] challenges. So this model integrates both in-person care, which everybody's
[1:25:45] familiar with, along with telehealth, virtual care, digital care,
[1:25:50] and virtual behavioral health services seven days a week so that our patients
[1:25:54] get access to care how they need it and where they need it.
[1:25:58] that virtual care system now allows them to access, um, care in
[1:26:03] multiple different ways from the comfort of their home, from their office, without
[1:26:07] having to rely on like your local ems without burdening
[1:26:11] the local ers. And these patients are able to get access to that care now regularly.
[1:26:16] so I just wanna take a moment to thank you guys for continuing to fund us,
[1:26:20] for continuing to support us and the patients here in new york county. Thank you.
[1:26:24] thank you. Also
[1:26:29] signed up to speak is mark williams
[1:26:35] and he's left. That was all the speakers I had signed up.
[1:26:39] uh, close the public forum. Go back. Hey, you got one in the pack.
[1:26:44] uh, this says signed up to speak. I I didn't realize you had
[1:26:48] to because this was not a public hearing. We let everybody speak once they
[1:26:52] speak. We let, we'll let you speak. Please come forward.
[1:27:02] I apologize. I would've signed up. But anyway, uh, pam, push show 1 0 3
[1:27:06] kimberly court. I wanna thank you for supporting the organizations
[1:27:10] that help those that are in true need. I truly appreciate that.
[1:27:15] I'm gonna request something I've requested before and it's never happened, but we pay
[1:27:19] in sewer and trash. In fact, I got my bill today. Um,
[1:27:23] I would love to see that as a tax, a flat tax, not based on income
[1:27:27] or whatever, you know, your real estate or whatever, but just a tax
[1:27:32] for sewer and trash because that way we can
[1:27:36] deduct it on our income tax. It would be nice. Um,
[1:27:41] also there have been, uh, con I have a concern
[1:27:45] that the general assembly, and I don't know where they are at this point, but have
[1:27:49] talked about rescinding the car tax and how that will affect us.
[1:27:54] so you may also wanna consider that. Thank you. Thank
[1:27:58] you pam. Anyone else
[1:28:02] choosing to speak? Seeing none I close public forum.
[1:28:07] we now will move on to public hearings. First application is
[1:28:12] from redstone properties, aka sheets to
[1:28:16] consider an ordinance, uh, for rezoning and a resolution to authorize construction
[1:28:20] of a convenience store with fuel dispensing at the same combined addresses.
[1:28:25] I'll call on madison sc from planning division.
[1:28:34] all right. Good evening, mr. Chair. Mr. Vice chair, other members of the board, mr.
[1:28:38] bellamy, mr. Hill. I hope you all are having a great start to 2026.
[1:28:44] um, I'm excited to see what york county achieves this year. Um, so this application
[1:28:49] submitted by redstone properties llc is a
[1:28:53] request to amend the york county zoning map by reclassifying a total of 1.82
[1:28:57] acres, collectively taken from each of four existing adjacent parcels, totaling
[1:29:01] 3.88 acres from general business to conditional general
[1:29:06] business with proffers and to authorize a special use permit both for the purpose of
[1:29:10] constructing an automobile fuel dispensing establishment in convenience store
[1:29:14] at 7 9 0 0 7 9 0 8 7 9 1 4
[1:29:20] and 7 9 2 george washington memorial highway.
[1:29:26] the subject site is located on route 17 between mariner way and a
[1:29:30] driveway to 7 8 3 0 george washington memorial highway.
[1:29:34] the portion of the site relevant for the applications is on a 1.82
[1:29:39] acre portion of the four parcels, with one containing a vacant non-conforming
[1:29:43] single family home with accessory structures and the rest being undeveloped.
[1:29:50] the property is located near the intersection of route 17 and the fort yus
[1:29:54] boulevard extension and is zoned both general business and plan development.
[1:29:59] the subject site is adjacent to the yorktown crescent mixed use development project
[1:30:03] located northeast, east and south. The back
[1:30:07] portions of the parcels are a part of an amendment from the january, 2024,
[1:30:12] uh, to the yorktown crescent mixed use development, which established approximately
[1:30:16] 1.3 acres collectively from gb to pdmu in anticipation
[1:30:21] of building an approximately 55,000 square foot publix grocery store.
[1:30:26] north and south of the subject property is an arby's and no wendy's. Both zone gb
[1:30:31] and southwest across route 17 are three parcels. All zone gb
[1:30:35] with one containing a vacant, uh, commercial building. And lastly,
[1:30:39] directly west across route 17 is yorktown arch apartments zoned pd.
[1:30:44] madison, if I could interrupt for a second. Of course. Where are the new townhouses on
[1:30:48] the yorktown crescent? Uh, gonna be located? Ye yes.
[1:30:52] um, from my understanding, they are going to be over here.
[1:30:57] is that correct? Yes. Yes. Um, and I'm gonna have a picture of the whole
[1:31:01] proposed development. I just wanted to be sure it wasn't up against the current property.
[1:31:05] yeah, of course. Thank you. All right. Uh, the applicant is
[1:31:09] seeking authorization for a sheets convenience store with self-serve fueling stations
[1:31:14] and to be allowed to have more than 50 gallons of fuel storage within the watershed
[1:31:18] management and protection overly district by proposing proffers. The
[1:31:22] conceptual development plan shows a 6,132 square foot convenience store
[1:31:27] and area showing the eight filling stations with a total of 16 gas pumps
[1:31:31] and an area showing the underground fuel storage tank. Now I'm
[1:31:35] gonna move into staff's analysis.
[1:31:40] the york county comprehensive plan designates the route 17 corridor as a lower
[1:31:44] county's primary commercial and transportation area. Regarding land
[1:31:48] use. General business is the predominant zoning designation of property around
[1:31:52] the route, uh, 17 corridor, with some exceptions, such as additional
[1:31:57] residential development and mixed use development. Based on this guidance,
[1:32:01] the sheet's proposal is compatible with surrounding uses the character of adjacent properties
[1:32:05] and the overall targeted use of the area. The
[1:32:10] proposed location of the sheets is within the harwoods mill reservoir watershed management and
[1:32:14] protective, um, overlay district, and partially within the 200
[1:32:18] foot and fully within the 500 foot buffer strips. According to section 24.1
[1:32:23] dash 3 7 6 e of the zoning ordinance. This states that
[1:32:27] fuel storage and excess of 50 gallons shall not be permitted within the buffer strips, therefore
[1:32:31] not allowing fuel dispensing establishments as they normally store above
[1:32:36] 50 gallons.
[1:32:40] so to mitigate that, the applicant has proposed to amend the zoning on
[1:32:44] the property and to proffer environmental design and watershed protection practices,
[1:32:49] the proffers will remove the prohibition of fuel storage in the wmp overlay
[1:32:53] for this property. And based off of the documents submitted, the applicant believes
[1:32:57] that the proffer design elements go above and beyond to ensure the protection of the harwoods
[1:33:02] mill reservoir. Also, newport news waterworks
[1:33:06] reviewed the submitted plans and proffers and provided the county with written approval of the project.
[1:33:13] as for performance standards, the per proposed project meets the performance standards
[1:33:17] established in section 24.1 dash 4 6 7 4 7 5
[1:33:22] and 4 7 7 for convenience stores, excuse me, and gas stations,
[1:33:27] uh, parking standards for convenience stores require one space per 200 square feet
[1:33:31] of gross floor area and one off street, uh, loading space. The most
[1:33:35] recently submitted conceptual plan shows a total of 48 parking spaces and one loading
[1:33:40] space meeting this requirement and the most
[1:33:44] recently submitted renderings as of january 15th, I included, um, two
[1:33:48] new renderings for the canopy and monument sign on the days for you all. Um,
[1:33:52] meet the route 17 corridor overlay district architectural and signage
[1:33:57] standards established in section 24.1 dash 3 7 8. And here
[1:34:01] are those snapshots of the updated renderings.
[1:34:09] so moving into the tr uh, transportation impacts
[1:34:15] during the yorktown crescent development rezoning application in 2024,
[1:34:20] a traffic impact analysis was performed and submitted and the amended plan is currently
[1:34:24] in the site plan approval process. As part of the
[1:34:29] rezoning and special use application in front of you tonight. Um, an access change
[1:34:33] analysis was performed to support the proposed sheets. The subject site development
[1:34:38] is requesting the access revision from partial access to a full
[1:34:42] movement signalize intersection along route 17. The tia
[1:34:46] memorandum submitted to support the access management exception request also
[1:34:50] serves as a signal justification justification report. And
[1:34:55] vdot has, uh, reviewed the latest analysis of the yorktown crescent signal
[1:34:59] justification report and has not approved, uh, the proposal to
[1:35:03] date has not approved, has not approved yet. That's
[1:35:07] correct. So some of the things in the vdot letter,
[1:35:12] um, received on october 28th, 2025 relating to this
[1:35:16] proposal, um, provides some alternatives and also addresses some multiple
[1:35:20] issues seen throughout the submitted study. So a big thing here,
[1:35:24] uh, is that vdot prefers to have a continuous green tee over conventional
[1:35:28] signal as it would not require southbound traffic to fully stop.
[1:35:32] uh, and it still allows vehicles to make protected movements in and out of the site.
[1:35:38] vida has also proposed or recommended up, please. Oh yeah, of course.
[1:35:42] alright, let show us, show us. Okay. Navigating a continuous green
[1:35:46] tea. Alright. Just kind of take people tell us 'cause there's three of
[1:35:50] 'em you're gonna show here. So I'm want to see describe this. Gotcha. I'll try my best. I will
[1:35:55] say vdot is a bit more of an expert than I am. Um, but, uh, I'll
[1:35:59] try to show, um, some here. See, so picture that the sheets is
[1:36:03] right here. I don't know if you can see my mouse. Nope. Can you see it, mr. Shepherd?
[1:36:07] okay, got it. Right. Yeah. So in this right hand corner, um, the sheets would be there.
[1:36:11] um, so if you go outta sheets here, take a right,
[1:36:17] go that way. And then a protected movement going left onto
[1:36:21] route 17 would be here. Protected, meaning it's got a light, dedicated light
[1:36:25] for what? There's no light. Um, it's protected like through the median, um,
[1:36:29] and through the stops from my understanding that left hand turn lane acts like
[1:36:34] an acceleration lane. Yeah, it's a turning lane. Acceleration. So you'll, you'll
[1:36:38] perceived through the light to make left hand turn mm-hmm . But once you start make a left hand turn, you got an acceleration
[1:36:42] lane. So that way southbound traffic doesn't stop for the light, but it's a light. That's
[1:36:47] the point is it's got a light there that's protecting it so you don't get run over when you pull out. So
[1:36:51] that way you, when you cross the front of the northbound traffic, you don't get run over. Yes. There's no light on
[1:36:55] the other side. It's only for this side of the road.
[1:37:02] okay. I seen some similar this up on 95, uh,
[1:37:06] heading towards dc alright, good on the
[1:37:10] continuous green tee. You're good. Alright.
[1:37:14] uh, another proposal is, um, called a restricted crossing u-turn
[1:37:19] that vdot put in the letter. Um, this would u-turn the relocated westbound
[1:37:23] left turns from the site at a location between route 17, driveway
[1:37:27] one, um, and the fort eustis boulevard. Um,
[1:37:32] I will say at the planning commission meeting, um, the applicant representative did
[1:37:36] say that vdo t's proposal of the continuous green tea was
[1:37:40] the more preferred option, um, and that they're opening to talking with
[1:37:44] vdot, uh, with that proposal.
[1:37:49] alright. And vdot also expressed concerns around
[1:37:53] the four small businesses that would be affected by the relocation of the existing
[1:37:57] median crossover and would prefer to have reassurances on whether those
[1:38:01] businesses are going to be supportive of the relocation.
[1:38:06] other comments address the methodology and data used throughout the study and ask for clarification
[1:38:11] and corrections. I also wanna provide
[1:38:15] real quick some further context, um, relating to just the traffic of the overall yorktown
[1:38:19] crescent, um, development. Um, so specifically sheets
[1:38:23] is not a part of that plan development, um, but it is still owned by
[1:38:27] the same developers. So that's why it's, it's connected, um, with the
[1:38:31] development regarding traffic. Um, the submitted tia
[1:38:36] for sheets, um, was also submitted with the public site plan application,
[1:38:40] which was formally submitted in this past april. Um, and this is when
[1:38:44] vdo s started their review of the signal justification report.
[1:38:49] and so the signal justification report needs to be fully approved before even
[1:38:53] the access management exception can even be considered. And there's
[1:38:57] also a possibility that the a me won't be approved. Um, that's not
[1:39:01] a guaranteed. So they're two separate stages here for the tra traffic impact
[1:39:05] analysis. Um, let's see. And per vdo t's comments
[1:39:09] for the sheets rezoning and sep applications, the access of management
[1:39:14] exception for full access. Oh, I just said that. Sorry. Excuse me. . Um,
[1:39:18] so no updates. Um, as of now since the december planning commission
[1:39:23] meeting, um, I'm sure the applicant representative can answer any questions.
[1:39:27] um, we have tried reaching out to vdot from staff's perspective to hear
[1:39:31] any updates from them, but we have had a hard time reaching them. So,
[1:39:35] um, that is where we're at in the process, uh, for approving the signal
[1:39:39] justification report. And to give some context,
[1:39:44] this is the submitted a site plan for the publix. Um,
[1:39:48] there in the highlighted area is where the sheets will go.
[1:39:54] let me know when you're ready for me to say, say that again. Yeah, so this is the submitted
[1:39:58] site plan for the publix that is a part of the yorktown crescent plan
[1:40:02] development. Okay. Alright. Point out where everything is here. Yeah, of course.
[1:40:07] um, so oh, oh, you're saying it, it goes behind where the sheets proposed to go?
[1:40:11] yeah, so this is, um, this is route 17 over here. Yellow way sheets.
[1:40:15] okay. Okay. I had it back. I had it backwards. Okay. Yeah. And then this is the sheets and then
[1:40:19] that's that driveway. Um, and then this is the publixs
[1:40:24] building that's proposed and then the parking lot, um, this is mariner's way
[1:40:28] right here, and this is specifically just for the
[1:40:33] publixs, um, site plan. And so this site plan is following the
[1:40:37] traffic impact analysis and proposal from the rezoning application
[1:40:42] in 2024 that got approved.
[1:40:46] all right. And here's a photo of the overall yorktown crescent proposal. That was with that
[1:40:50] 2024 rezoning. Um, here is where the
[1:40:55] publix is, and again, this is where that out parcel where the sheets is
[1:40:59] being proposed. And number five isn't that townhouses
[1:41:05] down in the bottom next to sheets apartments
[1:41:11] right here. So that gets us into what are the setbacks? What
[1:41:15] is the buffers? Um, I'm sorry,
[1:41:19] I'm not sure how to answer that. Um, is that, are we asking about
[1:41:24] how the apartments are gonna be incorporated with the yorktown c like how it's, how
[1:41:28] it's following, uh, the overall conceptual
[1:41:32] plan from the rezoning? I'm asking if there needs to be buffers on that side, on the sheet's
[1:41:36] property. See, uh, next to housing? Yes.
[1:41:42] yeah, 50 foot buffer doesn't appear to have it.
[1:41:47] I know that with the conceptual plans, they don't have to be a hundred percent followed.
[1:41:51] usually in the site plan, that is where the details go and where they're gonna show those
[1:41:55] specific requirements they have to follow per the code. I think we have a follow up question there
[1:42:00] of course. Any more questions about the
[1:42:04] overall? I did have some additional questions, but I'll
[1:42:08] turn to my other board members. Sheila. Well, I'm, I'm still looking at it and
[1:42:12] I dunno why we have it and vdot hasn't approved
[1:42:17] the, the plans.
[1:42:21] yes. Um, that is a good question. How can we vote it on something that
[1:42:26] they haven't approved? Yeah. Um, so usually with the special use permit or
[1:42:30] rezoning applications, we only require traffic impact analysis and
[1:42:34] usually in the site plan approval process, once they do a formal site plan,
[1:42:38] um, submittal, that's when vdot is going to go into all the details
[1:42:43] and make sure that they're following all of the recommendations by vdot.
[1:42:47] a lot of the times I know applicants like to make sure that they're even allowed to do
[1:42:51] the use, um, per knowing the traffic impact analysis.
[1:42:55] and that's what we give you all in with staff recommendation. Um, and
[1:43:00] then in that site plan, approval process is when all the, the small details
[1:43:04] and all of the considerations that vdot and also us as a county take
[1:43:08] into account and make sure that's followed even before it's built or anything, um, is
[1:43:12] done with the proposal. So what do they tell us? What, what does
[1:43:16] vdot tell us anything about this, uh, development?
[1:43:22] I know that vdot has submitted multiple comments for the
[1:43:26] site plan on, on publix. Um, I'm sure that
[1:43:30] possibly the applicant representative might know a little bit more on me from that, that side of things.
[1:43:35] well, not publix, but I'm talking about sheets. I mean, it's a, it's a,
[1:43:39] it's a kind of a big piece that's gonna be with a
[1:43:43] traffic light and another big major traffic light just near it
[1:43:48] over a thousand feet away, I think. But I'm just saying, have we
[1:43:52] got nothing about what's the proposed traffic coming in and out of, uh, sheets
[1:43:56] itself? Have we got anything from vdot? Yeah,
[1:44:00] so the, the comment letter, um, from october, the near the ending of october is
[1:44:04] where vdot voices some of those concerns mm-hmm . Because the, the distance
[1:44:08] between voice concerns and what are they saying? I mean, in terms of us, what we gotta do
[1:44:12] to fix things. My voice is about to go here, voice is
[1:44:16] going. Yeah. One of those things would be, the preference would not
[1:44:20] have a signal there. Um, because it doesn't meet the, um,
[1:44:25] distance that vdot normally likes to have between two signalize intersections.
[1:44:29] um, so I thought it was over 800 feet. Uh, vdot likes to have
[1:44:34] it to be a little bit over 2,600 feet between two.
[1:44:38] and here it's, it's a little bit over a thousand feet in between
[1:44:43] something different than what I've been told over the years. Normally it can go as low as 800 feet,
[1:44:47] but um, it depends on the speed's. It depends on the speed limit. Well
[1:44:52] it depends on a lot of things. That's why I'm kind of wondering what we've got here,
[1:44:56] um, from vdot if we haven't gotten a,
[1:45:00] a termination on the signals signalization of that, that section
[1:45:04] or whatever they want to be gonna put in there. Um,
[1:45:08] alright. Wayne
[1:45:12] comments? Yeah. Um, so
[1:45:19] some of it, I'm, I'm a little, I guess I'm a little taken back,
[1:45:23] but I don't think it's a problem with the use. I think it's
[1:45:28] the use is okay. Uh, and I think we are looking to bring good
[1:45:33] business to york county. I think the problem that I'm seeing,
[1:45:37] uh, I look at this for the viewers, this
[1:45:42] is what was sent to us to look at.
[1:45:49] I don't have time to do that. I, this should have been
[1:45:53] a summarized report that gives us the bullet points
[1:45:57] and go through it. Now I did go through it, but I really don't have
[1:46:01] time to do that. So whoever's presenting that from the company
[1:46:06] or the engineering staff or whatever, we don't need this. It's a
[1:46:10] waste of our time. We need the bullet points. We need to know
[1:46:14] what says and what doesn't say. The other thing, uh,
[1:46:19] I think we even talked about it, there's a lot of vdot issues
[1:46:23] here. I'm looking back, um, at the vdot
[1:46:28] uh, response letter and there's, um, 19
[1:46:32] bullet points. That's, that's something's wrong. That's in
[1:46:37] e incorrect. It was a miscalculation.
[1:46:41] and so to me there's a lot of unanswered questions here that I think
[1:46:45] bdot needs to do. I think this is far beyond what we need to do right now. I think
[1:46:49] right now I think the, the things that need to be cleared up with vdot
[1:46:53] that needs to happen before I'm willing to vote on something like this. I
[1:46:58] think that part has to have clarity for me. 'cause right now
[1:47:02] we know that that intersection's gonna be, it's gonna be
[1:47:06] a, a well driven traffic nightmare if we don't do this
[1:47:10] right. And I, I trust that vdo t's gonna do that. But to the developers,
[1:47:15] I think they need to get that done before we get to vote on this. I, I don't,
[1:47:19] I wouldn't feel comfortable voting on this with, with no assurance that
[1:47:24] vdo t's gonna be happy with what's going on here and they kick it back and then we, we wasted
[1:47:28] a lot of time. That's just my opinion.
[1:47:33] so a few things, and I don't know if you hit the end of your presentation yet,
[1:47:37] but, um, can you speak briefly on performance
[1:47:41] standards for convenience stores and fueling stations? Um,
[1:47:46] so audience and our, the board can understand what they,
[1:47:50] what they look like. Okay. Yeah. So, um, for kind of just an overall
[1:47:54] view for the convenience stores and fuel stations, um, I know a big part of it is if
[1:47:58] the use is no longer going to happen, there's kind of demolition,
[1:48:03] um, standard put in there for what they have to follow. A lot of the times it's
[1:48:07] setbacks, um, things to do with like
[1:48:12] lighting or how the use functions. Um,
[1:48:16] if you want, I can also provide, um, so let's talk about the first part.
[1:48:21] so if it ceases to operate as a fueling station for
[1:48:25] nine months, I think, um, then it needs to be
[1:48:30] returned back to a bare lot. What, what is the expectations?
[1:48:35] um, I cannot remember off of the top of my head. It's been a while since I read
[1:48:40] those sections of the code in super detail and I apologize for not having that memorized
[1:48:44] for you tonight. Um, but
[1:48:51] the tanks have to be removed and the canopy has to be removed. So it has to be shovel ready.
[1:48:55] it's basically what the, what the ordinance says. Well, it has
[1:48:59] to be shovel ready for somebody to come in and, and, but does that, was it the same performance
[1:49:03] standard suppli to the convenience store part of the property of
[1:49:07] the business or just the fuel and station part of it? Because
[1:49:12] that would be just the fuel, um, establishment. Right. So they
[1:49:16] continue operating as just a convenience store but not necessarily as a fueling station from
[1:49:20] my understanding. Yeah. Okay. Probably not because they're all intertwined, but there is a separation.
[1:49:24] alright. Um, be in the ground. It looks like it, it won't
[1:49:28] accommodate, um, passenger vehicles. I don't see from what I've read here,
[1:49:32] pictures where it would accommodate fueling stations for
[1:49:37] big rigs, 18 wheelers. Is this mainly passenger vehicles? Yes,
[1:49:41] mainly passenger vehicles. Um, and I know with discussions
[1:49:46] with chairman holroyd, um, making it to where, uh, tractor trailers are
[1:49:50] not allowed to be at the fueling stations as well has been proposed and discussed.
[1:49:54] um, so this is mostly here to capture the passenger
[1:49:58] vehicles that are going, um, to the interstate and also kind
[1:50:03] of already within, it's not meant to be kinda a final destination
[1:50:07] use. Okay. Um, proposed operating hours,
[1:50:12] I believe sheets is 24 hours. 24 7. 24 7. Okay. Mm-hmm . All right.
[1:50:16] and the last thing, there are a lot of pluses for an
[1:50:20] op, an operation like that come in at this location, it serves a lot of needs. Meet,
[1:50:25] meet meets some, um, solves some problems for a lot of people living in the area.
[1:50:29] I am concerned about the traffic impact though as we, as we discussed here, because it's
[1:50:33] not just a traffic impact on the people traveling on 17, it also is a traffic
[1:50:37] impact for the residents that live off 17 where people go,
[1:50:41] I'm tired of driving to that traffic through 17, so I'm gonna jump off and go through
[1:50:45] a residential area to bypass it. And we gotta protect that as much as
[1:50:49] we need to protect the 17 corridor as well. So, very
[1:50:54] sensitive to that. Again, I think there's a lot of pluses having sheets there or
[1:50:58] business like that. Um, but we gotta, we gotta get that right. We cannot introduce
[1:51:03] a problem here with no need for it. We,
[1:51:07] we gotta find a good solution for it. So. Alright.
[1:51:11] thank you steven. Madison, I had a couple of follow ups in section eight. Community
[1:51:15] impacts. Um, it discussed sheets tying into, uh,
[1:51:20] the sewer system, sewage pumping system of yorktown crescent.
[1:51:24] but I see no tie, I don't see any, uh, uh, condition
[1:51:28] of, uh, of acceptance that, um, establishes
[1:51:32] that as a requirement. Uh, within the, within the, the resolution.
[1:51:36] I think there needs to be a clear tie between when construction starts on sheets,
[1:51:41] uh, and when the sewer system is ready or available. We've seen
[1:51:45] lengthy delays on the yorktown crescent project and I wouldn't want to be proceeding
[1:51:50] with a sheets construction and then find myself having no ability to, uh,
[1:51:55] properly, um, tie, tie into the sewer. Mm-hmm . So I think,
[1:51:59] I think there needs to be a connection there as a, as a, as a follow up.
[1:52:03] um, section 12 of the, um, of your report
[1:52:08] talks about the impact on immediate neighbors. Um,
[1:52:12] so we, we've got two restaurants on the york on the, um, yorktown
[1:52:16] crescent side. I think it's a wendy's and an arby's. Arby's, yeah. And we've got four
[1:52:20] businesses across the street where this, uh, median will now be
[1:52:24] closed. I think we need to hear from those six businesses. Uh,
[1:52:28] do they, do they support this project as it's stated? Because
[1:52:32] I, I do not see anything in this package and I think that's, that behooves
[1:52:37] us to, uh, to reach out to those customers or to those businesses and
[1:52:41] get that input. Yeah, I definitely, um, hear that. Um, and we did
[1:52:45] send the pub public notification letters to the surrounding property owners,
[1:52:49] um, but we can look into directly reaching out to the businesses as well. I think it, I think as york
[1:52:53] county, we owe it to the existing businesses to do that.
[1:52:58] that was all the questions I had for planning staff. Thank you.
[1:53:05] I believe the applicant, uh, mr. Trance is here.
[1:53:09] would you, uh, care to come forward and, uh, present please.
[1:53:16] oh, and welcome back. Good to see you, tim.
[1:53:37] thank you, madison. I would've fumbled that. So appreciate you getting that up.
[1:53:42] um, good evening, mr. Chairman, members of the board. My name is tim tran, attorney
[1:53:46] with kaufman at knolls office at 48 0 1 courthouse street in
[1:53:50] williamsburg, virginia. It's my privilege tonight to be here on behalf of the applicant,
[1:53:54] the developer of the publix and the proposed sheets, uh, shopping
[1:53:58] center. Uh, I'll introduce some folks that are with me tonight. First in the bullet
[1:54:02] list as the, the long list of owners that own the underlying property. I don't believe any
[1:54:06] of them are here tonight, but I, um, they've been very helpful and cooperative in, in
[1:54:10] helping us work through this process. Um, on behalf of redstone properties,
[1:54:14] the developer here tonight is mr. John schwartz and maya taylor,
[1:54:19] uh, who came in from florida to be with us tonight. Uh, representatives of
[1:54:23] sheets or todd cado and tony caruso, who also came in
[1:54:27] from, uh, richmond and points north to be here with us tonight. And, uh,
[1:54:32] henry sells with timmons is our civil engineer, uh, here on behalf of
[1:54:36] the engineering team. And then last but certainly not least, is karen mcpherson,
[1:54:41] uh, our traffic engineer. I suspect you all will want
[1:54:45] to, could come a bit closer to the mic. Yes. Sorry. Sorry. Thank you. Moving
[1:54:49] around. Forgive me. Okay. Um, these next
[1:54:53] slides are just visual aids if we need to come back to them. I know everybody's
[1:54:58] familiar with the location of the site and if, but they're here for
[1:55:02] referencing, uh, in questions if and answers if we need to. And
[1:55:06] I know you all have seen all of these, uh, materials, which ms, uh, scoff,
[1:55:11] ley, uh, presented. So just quickly to the, um,
[1:55:15] my presentation and, and the applicant's perspective on the project, um,
[1:55:19] first, uh, redstone is developing, as has been noted, the
[1:55:23] adjacent site for the publix anchored grocery store, which was
[1:55:28] approved by this board in a rezoning, uh, over a year ago, I believe.
[1:55:32] um, and this, uh, sheet convenience store with gas station we
[1:55:36] perceive as a complimentary use, the respective, uh, nationally
[1:55:41] branded, uh, tenants know each other, have experience with each other and, and really
[1:55:45] see a lot of synergy in the, in the two uses coexisting on the same site.
[1:55:49] um, and, and hope that that will establish a, a more meaningful and sustainable
[1:55:53] presence. Uh, you know, commercial presence on route 17, uh, sheets,
[1:55:57] as many of you may know, is highly, highly regarded, uh, you
[1:56:01] know, and a, and a representative of a top tier brand in the modern convenience store,
[1:56:06] uh, marketplace. And, uh, their network of, uh, 750
[1:56:11] locations across the mid-atlantic and the, and the, uh, midwest, along
[1:56:15] with over 21,000 employees, uh, is,
[1:56:19] uh, is poised to make their, uh, move onto the peninsula. And we,
[1:56:23] we hope that they can welcome their first store in york county here, uh,
[1:56:28] at this site. Um, again, we spoke briefly about the synergy of
[1:56:32] publix and sheets to ensure a vibrant and sustainable commercial center
[1:56:36] at, uh, will serve obviously residents of york county employees, of county
[1:56:41] businesses and commuters that are in, in that corridor on route
[1:56:45] 17, helps fulfill the comprehensive plan vision for a village center at
[1:56:49] the fort eustis route 17 intersection node, and,
[1:56:53] uh, completes a comprehensive retail offering in close
[1:56:58] proximity to centers of employment and existing and future residences.
[1:57:03] um, to speak briefly to traffic, which I know is, has
[1:57:07] been expressed of, of very, uh, significant interest to this board and rightfully so.
[1:57:12] first, the traffic for this parcel
[1:57:17] was approved, uh, generally as a part of the traffic impact
[1:57:21] analysis that was done with the public's grocery store in that rezoning
[1:57:26] process. So that this parcel was programmed
[1:57:30] understanding it would be developed in the future, not knowing exactly how
[1:57:35] it was programmed or projected in that traffic study to
[1:57:39] be developed. That which was done, uh, by ms. Mcpherson, uh,
[1:57:43] was programmed to be two additional, um, drive-through
[1:57:48] restaurants so that there was traffic associated with those two drive-through
[1:57:52] restaurants programmed on this parcel in connection with that study,
[1:57:56] which has already received approval. Now, this use is different
[1:58:00] and has different traffic impacts, um, and that's why there's changes and
[1:58:05] an update or an amendment to that existing approved tia. But I just want everybody
[1:58:09] to understand we are not proposing totally new traffic to, to
[1:58:13] an analysis or to a, a traffic management program that
[1:58:17] vdot hasn't seen be before. We're just changing the character of that traffic from
[1:58:22] two drive through restaurants to a convenience store and a signaled intersection.
[1:58:26] um, multiple ingress egress points, as you know, particularly
[1:58:31] full movement ingress egress points result in and allow
[1:58:35] for a dispersion of entering and exiting trips, which generally improves traffic
[1:58:39] flows. And that is the case here, which is born in, uh, out by our
[1:58:43] amended study. Um, we've talked about complimentary uses.
[1:58:47] the, the reason that is relevant in the traffic context is many
[1:58:52] of the public's customers will also be sheet's customers. So they will be
[1:58:57] entering, uh, the exiting, excuse me, uh, 17 into this
[1:59:01] shopping center, buying groceries and receiving fuel. So
[1:59:05] a lot of the traffic that is being, um, generated,
[1:59:09] if you will, by the sheets and publix facilities will be the same trips,
[1:59:14] um, for an hyper conservative modeling of
[1:59:18] traffic. Just so you all know that in our original study that
[1:59:22] was done with the publix and in the update that was done for sheets,
[1:59:28] all of the traffic projected to be quote, generated
[1:59:32] by the sheets project was proposed to be new
[1:59:36] trips to the corridor. No internal capture between
[1:59:41] uses between the publix and the sheets was proposed to reduce
[1:59:45] the traffic generated by sheets. No pass by capture
[1:59:50] was proposed, meaning cars in the corridor already just making a right
[1:59:54] end sheets and a right out of sheets. Right? No discount in the
[1:59:58] overall traffic impact from sheets was projected
[2:00:03] by internal capture or pass by. Now, that was done intentionally
[2:00:08] by our team to produce a very conservative traffic
[2:00:13] analysis so that it would overestimate the traffic impacts of this use
[2:00:18] and that our solutions would be, you know, over pro, uh, under
[2:00:22] promise and overperformed, meaning we, you know, they would be more than adequate to accommodate the traffic
[2:00:26] flows. The traffic flows projected would ultimately less than what are born out
[2:00:31] in, uh, in reality, as we all know, a substantial amount
[2:00:35] of the traffic associated with the sheets will be passed by
[2:00:39] trips. It will not be a tremendous number of travelers of customers
[2:00:43] that come from out of the area to, to this store. They will be already
[2:00:48] in the commuting corridor. They'll be already traveling north and southbound on
[2:00:52] 17 or visiting the publix or going to their homes or going to,
[2:00:56] or from their places of work. So anyway, just the point that our,
[2:01:00] uh, analysis is hyper conservative. Um, the difference in
[2:01:04] the sheet's proposal is, as has been noted that we are proposing a
[2:01:09] signaled intersection where before it had just been an unsigned,
[2:01:13] uh, access point, the advantage, uh, and we have
[2:01:17] proffered to do that. Um, I would respectfully submit to you, and, and ms. Mcpherson
[2:01:21] can, uh, express this in more detail if you wish, that while there are a number of,
[2:01:26] uh, details to resolve with vdot, uh, in, in good faith,
[2:01:30] uh, we believe that the, the substantive issue to resolve
[2:01:34] with vdot is whether it's a conventional signal or a green tea signal, which
[2:01:39] is also a signaled intersection. It's just as you saw a different variety
[2:01:43] that's really the issue, uh, that we need to, and, and we absolutely need
[2:01:47] to resolve that with vdot. So we proffered that we would do a signal
[2:01:51] subject to vdo t's approval so that whatever vdot ultimately approved, we
[2:01:55] had to build it. And, and our intent is that our proposal be con
[2:01:59] and our ability to develop the sheets or anything, you know, uh, with special
[2:02:04] approval on that site, uh, would only be contingent upon vdo t's ultimate
[2:02:08] approval of the design of that intersection and our agreeing to build it.
[2:02:12] um, and if that needs to be made more clear in any of the proffers or other
[2:02:16] commission conditions that we've submitted, you know, we're, we're obviously open to that. Anyway,
[2:02:20] sorry to belabor the point, but I just wanted to address, we, we know we have to resolve that.
[2:02:24] our, our hope was simply that we, as ms. Goff mentioned that we could work that
[2:02:28] out with vdot during the site plan process, you know, the engineering process
[2:02:33] that follows the zoning process, but respect and, and understand that you all
[2:02:37] are anxious for, for more certainty around that. But we do believe our proffers protect
[2:02:41] the county, and we're happy to embellish them in any way that you or the
[2:02:45] county attorney deems appropriate to, to assure you of that if you are willing to move forward
[2:02:49] this evening. Uh, environmental design and watershed protection.
[2:02:53] just briefly, you know, our goal there, uh, as ms. Goff
[2:02:57] ably represented, was to come up with a, an engineering proffered design
[2:03:02] that would assure that we were achieving equivalent
[2:03:06] or superior environmental protection to the base ordinance requirements. And
[2:03:10] I think we, we work with sheets, newport news waterworks, and county staff, I believe,
[2:03:14] to assure you, in the proffers of that. And we have received the support of newport
[2:03:18] news waterworks. Last but not least, the, the project benefits, and I'll be quiet,
[2:03:23] consistent with the comp plan, committed to high quality architecture and landscape
[2:03:27] design, a very attractive presence on route 17, that, that's
[2:03:31] often overlooked. But it is important, we believe, and, and meaningful to the character
[2:03:36] of, of that corridor, um, concentrates retail services
[2:03:40] in a designated village center, uh, in close proximity, as we've said to centers
[2:03:44] of employment and existing and future residents, allows construction of
[2:03:48] the entire site to proceed in one timeframe, um, provides traffic improvements.
[2:03:53] last but not least, that actually improve the level of
[2:03:57] service at the fort eustis route 17 intersection. That
[2:04:01] I'll, uh, be quiet and answer any further questions. You may have
[2:04:07] questions. No, well,
[2:04:11] I don't know about a question. Um, I, I hear what
[2:04:15] you're saying and, um, I, I think this is a great opportunity. I know that
[2:04:19] sheets and publix works together across the, the region and,
[2:04:23] um, I think a lot of people like sheets. I've been in there a lot of times, so,
[2:04:28] uh, I'm looking forward to making this work. Uh, I guess I was just a little disappointed.
[2:04:32] I feel like we're getting the cart before the horse a little bit here, and so maybe
[2:04:36] that's what my consternation is. Um, I think I would've rather seen
[2:04:40] it a little bit further along with the vdot part. Um,
[2:04:44] but I certainly think this is a great opportunity and I'm, I'm certainly willing and
[2:04:49] hope that we can work this out. And I'm sorry.
[2:04:53] no, go ahead. I was just to respond to, uh, mr. Jury's point
[2:04:57] about, you know, being further, I did want to to mention, uh,
[2:05:01] that it was mentioned during you all your remarks to staff that
[2:05:05] we did. Uh, and we have had an extensive outreach to the impacted businesses,
[2:05:10] particularly the four across route 17 from us.
[2:05:14] and, um, we have not been able, I don't believe, to make contact
[2:05:18] with all four. We've made contact with three. We have, uh, the
[2:05:22] support for our project from three of those businesses. Two
[2:05:26] have actually provided letters of support for the conventional signal
[2:05:31] versus the green tea. I know that's a detail. You all probably just want, you just want assurance
[2:05:35] that it gets signaled and vdo t's comfortable with it, but just
[2:05:39] wanted to respond to that component. Yeah. Well, that's good.
[2:05:43] that's good information to know for sure. And we have not, and it's fresh off
[2:05:47] the presses. We haven't submitted those letters to the county or to vdot
[2:05:52] yet, but that'll be in our, our next document. Okay. Delivery. Yeah.
[2:05:56] thank you. So, a couple things that one bullet point, second one from the
[2:06:00] bottom, you, you repeated it twice in the, in the slide deck, provides traffic improvements that improve
[2:06:05] line of sight. What's los at fort uc? Road 70 intersection?
[2:06:09] yeah, a good question. Uh, mr. Ronan, I'm sorry I didn't cover it in
[2:06:13] the first, uh, time. It appeared in the slide deck. You saw it and I didn't mention
[2:06:17] it and I I didn't cover it well, at the end as I was running
[2:06:21] out of time, lo s's level of service, I, I know that's a term that you've heard
[2:06:25] before and it, it's a measure of how well, uh,
[2:06:29] and how efficiently, uh, an intersection functions. It's, it's a
[2:06:33] measure of the delay that the driver experiences. And so, um,
[2:06:38] what, what our analysis result, one of the results
[2:06:42] of our updated analysis is that by providing a
[2:06:46] secondary signaled intersection further south on
[2:06:51] 17, about a thousand feet, as ms. Kauf correctly pointed out, um,
[2:06:55] that provides another full movement access point to both sheets
[2:07:00] and publix. Um, it's kind of the, the back door to publix, but it's another
[2:07:04] full access movement. So you can make a left in or right in,
[2:07:08] left out or right out, uh, as we've proposed it. By doing
[2:07:12] so, that takes, uh, pressure off
[2:07:16] of the fort eustis route 17 intersection because before
[2:07:21] all of the left turns out of the public shopping center
[2:07:25] would've had to have exited at route 17 and fort eustis
[2:07:29] boulevard at that one intersection. By splitting those, that
[2:07:33] traffic, giving a second option for that exiting traffic
[2:07:38] to leave that center, you actually allow, give
[2:07:42] more, you reduce delay, give more, you can give more green time
[2:07:46] to the route 17 for eus boulevard intersection. So less delay
[2:07:51] in that left turn movement out of the, the shopping center.
[2:07:55] so that's how it improves the level of service. And I'm sure I've botched
[2:07:59] that in some technical way. Well, ms. Mcpherson can come up and correctly. Well, I see what you're getting at
[2:08:03] there. But it sounds like you gotta rob peter to pay paul as, as well.
[2:08:07] um, 'cause you're impacting the traffic flow on 17
[2:08:11] in two places. Pretty close together. But I'll, I'll look
[2:08:15] for the engineers from vdot to figure out how they can
[2:08:20] 'cause uh, if with the right timing and the right priority of
[2:08:24] 17 over, uh, fort yus boulevard and in and out of, um,
[2:08:29] sheets there, there may be some solutions there that, that really doesn't
[2:08:34] bring a lot of impact. But I will go back. It's been over a year.
[2:08:38] and by the way, thanks for the call yesterday for any questions. Um,
[2:08:43] but I seem to remember when we last looked at this site, the plan was
[2:08:48] ingress at that location into publix and into that larger
[2:08:52] development. But all the egress, what there was egress
[2:08:57] to go north on 17, but the egress was south on 17 would go through
[2:09:01] the existing fort uses boulevard. Um, now you're explaining here how
[2:09:05] if you add the secondary signal, the distal signal,
[2:09:10] it improves that intersection. Um, but over a year we've been
[2:09:14] looking at a solution that wouldn't have a signal there so close to an
[2:09:18] existence signal at a pretty big intersection. And now this is a pretty
[2:09:22] significant change that a plan here. So again, it just goes back
[2:09:26] to my concern. We wanna be able to support
[2:09:30] something, but at the same time, we don't want to introduce new problems. That's gonna be a headache to
[2:09:34] not only the, the travels on 17, but our residents off 17
[2:09:38] as well. So that, that's a, it's a big nut you guys need to crack
[2:09:43] with vdot and for us to, you know, reach the end, end
[2:09:47] of the lane here. So understand. Alright, thanks
[2:09:53] mr. No, we're all back to
[2:09:57] what fi is gonna say or not. And here we go through this an all, you know, an awful
[2:10:01] lot of times, but I'm, I'm still uncomfortable with the
[2:10:05] fact that vdot has reservations about the signaling
[2:10:10] and, and what you wanna do, and yet you're coming to us for us to approve
[2:10:14] it. And what, what if you and vdot can't work it out? No,
[2:10:18] understood. And to the benefit of our citizens, not just so much to you.
[2:10:22] no, understood. And and our answer to that, which, which, uh, may not be
[2:10:27] satisfactory to ms. Noll is that we wouldn't get to build our project. You know, we can't
[2:10:31] proceed with our zoning. It's a condition, the fact that we work it out with
[2:10:35] vdot and we build our traffic signal or whatever, whether
[2:10:39] it's a green tea or a conventional signal, we build whatever vdot ultimately
[2:10:44] approves or we don't build. That's, and,
[2:10:48] you know, that's the proposed solution and that's the crux of the situation. Understood.
[2:10:52] understood.
[2:10:57] so if we, if we were to approve this and you could not
[2:11:01] agree with vdot, this is just a moot point, we would
[2:11:05] not be able to satisfy our proffered conditions. Our, our position. And, and
[2:11:09] again, it to the extent we need to further elaborate
[2:11:13] or expand in our proffers to assure this, our position that,
[2:11:18] that we presented through our application was that, that we, we
[2:11:22] would not, it was our expectation that we would not be able to proceed to develop the sheets.
[2:11:26] okay. If we can't reach that agreement. 'cause ultimately vita's decision
[2:11:30] rules the day. That's correct. And just as a totally separate note, and this
[2:11:34] is more information than maybe some board members want, but I know you will be familiar with
[2:11:38] this because this is an, a quote onsite intersection mm-hmm . I mean, this is
[2:11:43] the access to sheets as a technical
[2:11:47] legal matter. I, I think that vdot would have the
[2:11:51] discretion to require whatever it will require
[2:11:55] of us in order to get our site. We can't get site plan approval through
[2:11:59] the county and through vdot unless we satisfy okay. What vdot wants
[2:12:04] at that intersection, irrespective of the, if this were a buy right use, uh,
[2:12:08] you know, if it was already approved for a convenience store with gas station, okay. And,
[2:12:12] and this, the traffic improvements weren't in the proffers, I don't
[2:12:16] think because it's on site, you know, it's not like this is an, you know,
[2:12:20] an improvement up the up the road, right. An offsite improvement,
[2:12:24] which typically has to be, um, committed to through the zoning
[2:12:28] and legislative process, because this is onsite, this is the access
[2:12:32] to the project, right? I think vdot and the county have the discretion to deny the site
[2:12:36] plan without, unless you've got support from vdot
[2:12:40] for whatever improvements are, are, are dictated.
[2:12:45] and, and I, I want to just get for clarity, maybe even for some of the board members,
[2:12:49] so we're all on the same page right now, according to vdot,
[2:12:53] they're okay with the, with this, the, um, continuous green
[2:12:58] tea, right? That's what they said
[2:13:02] according to the notes. And maybe what if you'll allow me, mr.
[2:13:06] mr. Drew, what I would suggest is because ms. Mcpherson
[2:13:11] has been on the front lines of those conversations with vido, and, and candidly I haven't, I mean,
[2:13:15] I've been following the comment letters and reading and talking. Right. Um, I think it'd be important
[2:13:19] for you to hear just from her about where that, the status of that conversation.
[2:13:23] yes. I think ultimately, yes, you are correct. The substance as I understand it,
[2:13:27] is we need to do a signaled a controlled access
[2:13:32] here mm-hmm . What is it gonna look like, right? There's a range of options from r cut
[2:13:36] to a conventional signal. I think in reality it's really down
[2:13:40] to, is this a conventional signal or a green tea? But I think she'd be better. You could have
[2:13:45] fresher, clearer information. We'll come back to that. I'd like tom to be able to
[2:13:49] finish questions directly to you. Yes, sir. Yeah, tim, thanks
[2:13:53] for the presentation here. I, I, I'm, uh, this, this, uh,
[2:13:57] project is great. Okay? Mm-hmm . I got no problem with this project. Um,
[2:14:01] the, the traffic issues of on 17 are always a problem. Alright?
[2:14:05] and so that's what we've, what we're focused on here. Yeah, we don't want to inconvenience
[2:14:10] people around it, but what the hell, you put something new in there, you're gonna inconvenience
[2:14:14] somebody. Uh, but this would be, I think great, uh, great for that business
[2:14:18] area. It, uh, provides that, um,
[2:14:22] you know, that combination, and sorry for our voice, I just getting over this,
[2:14:27] whatever the heck it is. But, um, we had the, we have a residential
[2:14:31] area there. We, we wanted a, um, uh, we wanted businesses in there
[2:14:35] with, with it, and this fits. So I'm okay with that. The issue on
[2:14:39] the vdot thing kind of bothers me a lot, um,
[2:14:43] because I'm a little concerned. Now, let me back this up
[2:14:48] a little bit. We know how these things come to us, okay? We know that
[2:14:52] the general plan, they come in with general plan. It's a concept of what's gonna happen.
[2:14:56] things change over time. And, you know, we, we kind
[2:15:00] of hope the staff paying attention and they mostly do
[2:15:04] and things don't get screwed up. But yet, just a little down the road,
[2:15:08] we have an apartment complex that got really hosed up with no park, basically
[2:15:13] no parking. And I'm, I I, we're not gonna let that happen here. Well, we don't want
[2:15:17] this to happen on, uh, on the main corridor. This is our main highway through,
[2:15:21] through, uh, your county. So I'm kind
[2:15:25] of looking at it from a legal perspective here and looking at the proffers
[2:15:29] that you guys are proffering that we're not twisting your arm on. This
[2:15:33] is what you're saying you gotta do. That's right. Basically, it's a very short sentence. Okay.
[2:15:38] or paragraph. This is upon approval of vdot
[2:15:42] of the requisite signal justification report and access management
[2:15:46] exceptions. And the receipt of other required approvals from
[2:15:51] vdot owner shall, shall design
[2:15:55] and install a traffic signal at the intersection of the entrance
[2:15:59] to the property and route 17 at such time.
[2:16:04] and I'm not quite sure I understand that such time as determined by
[2:16:08] vdot to be warranted and justified. So is there a possibility
[2:16:12] that vdot just goes, eh, you don't need a signal there? No, I,
[2:16:16] I don't think that's a re I guess anything's possible. I don't think
[2:16:20] that's a realistic possibility here. The reason, and, you
[2:16:24] know, look, I am no proud of authorship. If there's a better way to say
[2:16:29] what we say there, what we mean by that is we've gotta design a signal
[2:16:33] for this intersection that passes muster with vdot. And
[2:16:38] once they tell us they've approved it, we can build it and we shouldn't
[2:16:42] be able to proceed forward with our project until we've checked all the boxes with
[2:16:46] vdot in that one. That's but to just, sorry to interrupt, but just to answer
[2:16:51] your last question about the warranted and justified, what we
[2:16:55] have encountered, and, and you all should, uh, are probably savvy to this, so forgive me,
[2:16:59] but you can, um, convince, uh,
[2:17:03] uh, vdot that, uh, a traffic signal is the appropriate traffic management
[2:17:08] tool, whether it's a green tea or a conventional signal, or even a roundabout. You
[2:17:12] can agree on what the right access management tool is
[2:17:17] and, uh, and even the conceptual design for it. But
[2:17:21] vdot will not permit you to actually install
[2:17:26] the signal in their right of way that they control
[2:17:30] until you meet warrants and justification, the
[2:17:35] signal warrants and justification. So traffic has to, and, and this
[2:17:39] manifests often in sort of a residential development context, where you've
[2:17:43] got multi-phase development at the entrance to your subdivision. You
[2:17:47] may, it may say you need a traffic signal someday down the road when you get
[2:17:51] to a hundred homes or 200 homes. Well, those don't appear in the first year. Right?
[2:17:56] those that may not even appear in the second year. So vdot will often say,
[2:18:00] we are not, yeah, you, we know you need a signal there someday, but it's
[2:18:05] not warranted yet, and we can't, we're not gonna let you build it yet. So the warranted
[2:18:09] and justified is just to clarify that it's only when vdot
[2:18:13] has deemed it warranted. Now, in this situation on route 17, with the volumes of
[2:18:17] traffic, it's gonna be warranted. I'm, I feel certain before
[2:18:22] we get our co you know, when we in connection with getting our certificate of occupancy. But that's,
[2:18:26] that's the qualification. The reason for the qualification is 'cause
[2:18:31] vdot may say, hey, look, traffic hasn't matured to the point, the volumes haven't
[2:18:35] matured to the point where the signal is warranted yet. Okay? So
[2:18:40] the way I way, okay, so is there a,
[2:18:44] okay, would, can sheets do business without a signalize
[2:18:49] light? I don't believe so. Um, I believe it
[2:18:53] it that the traffic signal is necessary to accommodate the sheet's
[2:18:57] traffic volumes. Really? So in, in subsequent dealing with
[2:19:01] the county and in development of this project, it's
[2:19:05] what we're hearing from you is that if, if vdot does
[2:19:10] not give you, uh, a, a permission
[2:19:14] to proceed with a light signaled light there, alright?
[2:19:18] no business then there's no business. Is that what
[2:19:22] we're hearing? Yes, sir. Okay. So he's gotta have a signaled light. Right. And the
[2:19:27] two options, you, you guys are okay with is gonna be that green
[2:19:31] tea thing or whatever you call it. And the other is just a standard light
[2:19:36] one clarification, mr. Shepherd. I I, you know, at the end of the day,
[2:19:40] um, you know, we, we are, we're very interested in bringing sheets to the marketplace, right?
[2:19:44] I I, in, in all candor, we don't like the green tea. There's some
[2:19:49] challenges with that, that, that, uh, so what do you like,
[2:19:53] we like the conventional signal. I mean that what's represented throughout the
[2:19:57] corridor, so they don't give it to, so how much pushback are you getting from vdot on that, that when you talk
[2:20:01] to 'em about it a fair amount so far,
[2:20:06] afraid they, they're very interested in the green tea. That was the point I was trying to make.
[2:20:10] if, if, if vdot said, you are not gonna get that you
[2:20:14] guys, are you still gonna move forward with the green tea? I guess that's the point. Maybe
[2:20:18] she can answer that question. Yeah, that's the clarifi clarification.
[2:20:22] that's, that's a clarification I'm trying to get for all of us on the board. If,
[2:20:26] if the green teas you say, nope, it's unacceptable, we're moving on.
[2:20:31] uh, or is the green tea going okay, if we have to do that, we'll do it just to get
[2:20:35] this project done. Uh, good evening, karen mcpherson. Um, I would love to say
[2:20:39] I have a crystal ball and every time I talk to vdot, um, it's a different
[2:20:43] answer and a different question. Maybe not for this one. Um, I will acknowledge
[2:20:47] that there was a comment letter and there were 19 comments. I think we're down
[2:20:51] to three. We have been working with vdot and again, some of traffic
[2:20:56] shocking is subjective. So when we come up to those subjective things,
[2:21:00] we reach out, we gain consensus relative to
[2:21:04] the green tea. It is another option. It's an innovative
[2:21:08] solution that is the v vdot buzzword. Um, so when
[2:21:13] we were talking to the detailed operational folks, we ask the
[2:21:17] question because as you add a taper southbound, there's some other
[2:21:21] constraints. There's the railroad crossing, there's another meeting crossover mm-hmm
[2:21:25] so we've had conversations not only with the traffic folks now, but
[2:21:30] we've brought the location and design the l and d folks to the table. So
[2:21:34] we are getting very close to giving them data
[2:21:39] so that among all of them they can come up with what is the ideal
[2:21:43] solution. So the traditional traffic signal still checks all
[2:21:47] the boxes. They've asked us very detailed, what's the level of service?
[2:21:51] how am I impacting the green band? Because without a doubt, no
[2:21:56] matter what signal we put here, it will be connected to fort eustis
[2:22:00] and they will talk intelligently together. From the traffic perspective, we can
[2:22:04] ask our commuters and everybody has a different opinion, but we will do our best to
[2:22:08] coordinate them and communicate with them. As far as the green
[2:22:12] tea, we've still got some data that we need to give to the operational
[2:22:17] and the location and design, and it has some challenges
[2:22:21] relative to weaving a trap lane with the adjacent one. So
[2:22:25] we're getting close, um, but we're still communicating quite
[2:22:29] frequently with the department. I think the challenge is the, the minimum
[2:22:34] distance of 2,600 feet as opposed to a thousand. I think that's gonna
[2:22:38] be your biggest challenge there. But I'm not vdot. So the access request
[2:22:42] for the access modification for the signal request, the quarter mile
[2:22:46] spacing for a signal that is a huge spacing.
[2:22:51] um, very rarely do you have that. So we were, we, we feel comfortable
[2:22:55] that we can show that it will not have a, a huge
[2:22:59] impact relative to the overall progression. Again, if you look at
[2:23:03] fort eustis in 17, that is the critical intersection. Mm-hmm
[2:23:08] . We are shifting a significant amount of traffic turning left
[2:23:12] from that. If we leave only one access point, not only the public,
[2:23:16] but the sheets, the rbs, everybody coming out
[2:23:20] of that development at full build out 20 years from now will
[2:23:24] want to come out of that intersection to make a left. We have to give it green
[2:23:28] time, which means people commuting on fort ti boulevard will have
[2:23:32] less green time. So if we can give that shopping center traffic another way out,
[2:23:37] that that green time that they need can go to
[2:23:41] 17, can go to george washington highway, can go to fort east. So there is a
[2:23:46] balance relative to how we share green time
[2:23:50] during a peak hour. That is tremendously beneficial to give people two ways
[2:23:54] out of a fully developed commercial development. So again,
[2:23:58] we're working through all those details. They've asked us for
[2:24:02] am and pm, you know, 20 30, 20 36.
[2:24:06] so we'll try to give you the highlights next time. Um, well, I mean, I wish
[2:24:10] we'd have known that you cleared all of 'em up at three. Okay. When I look at that, I'm close.
[2:24:15] we're 19, 20 in, right? And you're telling us now that you've cleared 'em all, but three,
[2:24:19] that would've been good information to know upfront and not at the tail end. But don't, don't
[2:24:23] you through the thing. In that scenario, will
[2:24:28] you come back to mr. Uh, shepherd mr. Shepherd's questions?
[2:24:32] sure. I think he was sure. I'll trying to, I'm trying to get to,
[2:24:36] that's why I was trying to get to what you were talking about to understand this, uh, because
[2:24:41] the way I, I mean I want the company to understand that,
[2:24:46] at least from my perspective, I'm leaning forward here trying to make this happen. Okay?
[2:24:51] I want it to happen. Now, if we have to get involved with
[2:24:55] vdot, we can get in, we can do that. Alright? And that's, that's,
[2:25:00] believe me, we can do that. So the point I've got here though is what
[2:25:04] benefit or what happens here if we delay this?
[2:25:08] okay? I am not to you come back with an answer, alright?
[2:25:12] because it doesn't, because it doesn't sound like to me, based upon this
[2:25:16] proffer here that you're not, you're not, you're not getting out
[2:25:20] of anything. I mean, you're, you're being, you're being held,
[2:25:25] your feet's being held to the fire because your company, your client is not
[2:25:29] gonna build there unless he gets that's right. He gets the intersection right. That's
[2:25:33] and we want the intersection. That's what I need to know. That's correct. Correct. I mean, I can't understand
[2:25:37] why we would not want that because we want the business there and it's gonna generate revenue,
[2:25:42] um, for the county and, and it'll be a good thing for all the people around
[2:25:46] that area can be able to go there and shop and, and, uh, I dunno, is there a restaurant in
[2:25:51] this thing? Yes sir. It does have prepared food yes. Inside of a sheet. Yes sir.
[2:25:55] so, alright, so I'm just trying to understand if there's, if if we were to
[2:25:59] hold back on approval here, what's gonna be gained and not,
[2:26:03] not much on our understanding other than maybe vdot might come around and finish your last
[2:26:07] three bullets. Other than we might give them more pressure to
[2:26:11] give who pressure you think vdo t's have pressure? No, you kidding me, ? No,
[2:26:15] I gotta go call up. You said you could work it. Well I, I've been known to
[2:26:19] do that, so, so I'm just trying to understand
[2:26:23] what benefit do we get from that? I'm just wondering whether the proffer can be changed
[2:26:28] such that it's a condition of final opening that
[2:26:32] that traffic light be installed. It does it. Well, it's, I've already, they've already said that they're
[2:26:36] not gonna have the business here unless they get it and it says that, well, no, it doesn't say that. It
[2:26:40] says if if vdot does not proceed with a light, then, then
[2:26:44] we're stuck. But we still have a sheets to operate. I, I prefer to see no, no.
[2:26:48] well let that mean. Yeah, we, you're right. Unless it's laid down in our, in
[2:26:52] our, if they can't reach agreement, if they're still waffling between options,
[2:26:57] we end up with a sheets that's ready to go and no traffic light. That's my concern.
[2:27:02] I wanna see. I don't, I want see a solution. We are happy to, let me, let
[2:27:06] me finish the questions here. Yes, sir. So it goes to this point of, of,
[2:27:11] you know, the, the horse, the cart, whatever you wanna call it. We need to have
[2:27:15] something in here that says, or some modification that says that, yeah, you're
[2:27:19] not gonna do this without the intersection. Understood. So why go build and invest money
[2:27:23] into it if you're not gonna get the intersection? So you're gonna have to get the intersection before
[2:27:28] you start building. So, well, to answer your question,
[2:27:32] what, uh, is accomplished with a deferral and, and obviously
[2:27:37] we're biased in favor of, of time and, and money and the expense
[2:27:41] and, and progress with the site. Um, the delay costs
[2:27:45] us, it, it puts out the timeline for the development of the sheets. It slows down candidly
[2:27:49] the public's timeline as well because those two sites develop the
[2:27:54] construction of both those sites are, are, we had hoped to be coordinated, um,
[2:27:58] and, and and jointly funded in many ways. And so that, that will create complications
[2:28:02] for the overall project. Um, we, and I don't know
[2:28:07] honestly that, that a lot of certainty will, will be gained.
[2:28:11] um, you know, for the county. We, we happy to make,
[2:28:15] uh, an amendment to the proffers to, uh, to provide greater
[2:28:19] clarity. Uh, you know that around what what we've said and
[2:28:23] what you've said, which is no sheets, no co without
[2:28:27] the, the intersection being, you know, a vdot approved signalization
[2:28:31] of that intersection. I've got all the head knots. There be no intersection, no, no starting land
[2:28:35] clearing or anything until you get the approval from vdot for the intersection. Yes,
[2:28:40] sir. And one way to do that for, for whatever it's worth. And, and there, there may
[2:28:44] be multiple, and I'll give, uh, credit to staff for this. Um, it,
[2:28:48] it would be through the sup conditions. You know, the, the c store with gas station
[2:28:52] requires an sup, the rezoning, it's already zoned gb uh, the
[2:28:56] rezoning from general business to general business with proffers was just to deal with
[2:29:01] the watershed management protection overlay. Otherwise, we would only be here for
[2:29:05] a conditional use permit. There wouldn't be any proffers. Um, all of this would be
[2:29:09] addressed through the cup as I said. I think as a a matter if this were a buy right use,
[2:29:13] I think you, you still have this authority 'cause it's an onsite improvement mm-hmm
[2:29:17] . Or quasi onsite improvement. But it could, with for absolute certainty, you all
[2:29:21] could add tonight a cup condition that says
[2:29:26] just what you want it to say. Just what you would, you know, wish the proffer to say, I'm
[2:29:30] sorry, it wasn't more, more clear. We're lawyers, you know, clarity is not always our virtue.
[2:29:34] so forgive me. So, so I mean, I, and I think that if you give us some
[2:29:38] words, we can put it in there to improper or the sup to make
[2:29:42] it very clear that without the intersection
[2:29:46] approval first, you're not gonna start doing anything else. Yes, sir. It would be that,
[2:29:51] uh, issuance of a certificate of occupancy for the
[2:29:55] convenience store with gas station would be conditioned upon approval,
[2:29:59] uh, of a signaled intersection.
[2:30:04] um, and, uh, the yeah, yeah,
[2:30:08] yeah. Okay. Names please. John schwartz.
[2:30:13] redstone properties 1501 west cleveland, tampa, florida. Um,
[2:30:17] not to correct you no, do, go ahead. It's your, your wallet, sir. You're
[2:30:22] you're in the camera. . What, what we please move
[2:30:26] to the mic. Oh, sorry. Um, we wouldn't, we
[2:30:30] would proffer that we wouldn't start construction. It would be no permit
[2:30:34] issued, however it is, unless the traffic signal was approved, not just co
[2:30:38] we, we wouldn't, we wouldn't wanna start the store. You wouldn't want us to start the store
[2:30:43] if we didn't have a traffic signal approval. And, and the reason why
[2:30:47] we, we've asked the proffer is to be written this way is
[2:30:51] because we're just trying this, this store has been taking a long time to get out of the
[2:30:55] ground. The publix, the whole shopping center and sheets is a vital part
[2:30:59] of the development. And we're just trying to move things along and get it done. We would love to be able
[2:31:03] to start construction on this entire project, if possible,
[2:31:08] um, by march. Um, I don't think we'll have the vdot approvals
[2:31:12] by that time. Um, but certainly by september we could start anyway.
[2:31:16] we're trying to get things moving as soon as possible and this will allow us to
[2:31:21] continue with our traffic engineers and, uh, and our deal with sheets
[2:31:25] and their, and their process so we can get the vdot approval and,
[2:31:29] and get to construction. That's why we're trying to get it done this way instead of waiting
[2:31:33] till we have a definitive answer from vdot. I hope that answers
[2:31:37] your question. Well, it does. I'm, I'm comfortable the fact that if, if the,
[2:31:41] the big issue here with this board has to be that intersection.
[2:31:46] yeah. We don't want you clearing the land or doing don't, I mean, that would be kind of stupid to
[2:31:50] invest and do that and then not have a store so long as the wording
[2:31:54] to that says something to that effect. Now we can we do that on the spot here.
[2:31:59] um, but I'm okay with it at that point. Mr. Schwartz
[2:32:03] speaks to a very important issue, right? That you know that about the approval from
[2:32:07] vdo, sorry, mr. Schwartz. Mr. Schwartz. Yes. Yes, mr. Schwartz. I did say that.
[2:32:12] okay. Got that. Uh, uh, the approval from vdot
[2:32:16] would be a condition sounds like to, uh, site plan approval, right.
[2:32:21] um, of the intersection design. What I was speaking of, and
[2:32:25] I I didn't make it clear, was the actual installation of the signal.
[2:32:29] right. You, you know, you're not going to build the signal before you get your site plan
[2:32:33] approval. So, you know, I think what mr. Schwartz is saying is con,
[2:32:37] the, the cup condition could read subject
[2:32:41] to greater mines assembled that the site plan
[2:32:45] approval for the convenience for a convenience store with gas station on the property
[2:32:49] would be conditioned upon vdot approval of a signaled
[2:32:54] intersection. Not necessarily the installation of the light, just the approval
[2:32:58] of the light. Right. But you all, uh, also wanna make sure it gets built right.
[2:33:02] right, right. So the second, so what I was addressing,
[2:33:06] I had jumped ahead, sorry, I had jumped ahead to the secondary sort
[2:33:10] of concern, which is that a certificate of occupancy
[2:33:15] would not be issued until the signal is constructed or bonded building it. If
[2:33:19] you don't have the signal, ma'am, you're not building it if you don't have the signal. So
[2:33:23] why the certificate of occupancy, mr. Chairman? Because you would want
[2:33:27] the construction of the signal to occur while the building's being built. Right.
[2:33:31] you want them, but provided you, you've got feet up. Right, right. Approval. That's
[2:33:35] the first part. I'm sorry, I'm not, um, I'm not sort of giving you the time. Let me back up and start
[2:33:40] over. Yes, please. So the, the timeline not, I was trying to write cup
[2:33:44] language conditions while we were on the fly, but just the timeline, maybe just in,
[2:33:48] in, in colloquial speak. So we would not seek building
[2:33:53] site plan approval. You can't get a building permit until you get site plan approval. So no site plan
[2:33:57] approval, right, right. Until we have vdot approval of the signal.
[2:34:01] correct. Right. Just the technical access management approval, signal justification,
[2:34:06] whatever beat out approval. You copying this down, earl? So, mr. Chairman, if I may, mr.
[2:34:10] yes, please. ? Uh, I, I generally
[2:34:15] agree and accept mr. Trance representation on behalf of his client that the
[2:34:19] zoning conditions would
[2:34:23] require the, um, construction of an intersection.
[2:34:27] but I also think that at his, the representations that they've
[2:34:32] given today would be part of the record and represent
[2:34:36] any attempt to, uh, clear up an ambiguity. Having said that,
[2:34:40] I also think he, the, the path forward that he's presenting would be
[2:34:44] a way of doing it, which would be to add a paragraph
[2:34:49] four. And when he says cpis, you're referring to the special use permit
[2:34:54] resolution granting the sup? Yes, sir. I would recommend, uh, adding
[2:34:59] a paragraph four and renumbering
[2:35:03] paragraph four to b five and making paragraph four, read that,
[2:35:08] uh, approval by the virginia department of transportation of
[2:35:12] a signaled intersection in accordance with
[2:35:17] the, um, conditional zoning is a, is
[2:35:22] required prior to site plan approval. Okay, that makes sense. Makes
[2:35:26] sense to me. Yep. Okay. And if, if that would be a, I mean that I think
[2:35:31] would accomplish what, and one last real quick question for you. So when, when
[2:35:35] we do this wording here, we're not gonna end up permanently putting
[2:35:39] a signalize requirement onto that property? No. Right.
[2:35:44] it is a requirement of the special use permit for his, for his business use for the special
[2:35:48] use permit, but not for the property. If it's not sold, he doesn't buy it. If
[2:35:52] he doesn't, if they don't establish their use within the required period of time, it
[2:35:56] would, it would be extinguish just revert back to regular no, the zoning, the
[2:36:00] zoning's another matter. But again, I, I think that it would,
[2:36:04] if you address it in the special use permit process, it would
[2:36:08] handle I think all the concerns and it would, it would enable us to
[2:36:13] make sure that it's done prior to any
[2:36:17] construction. Okay. I'm good. Thanks. I had one further
[2:36:21] question. It's finally my turn. It, um, I'm still concerned about
[2:36:26] transport trucks coming into fuel op. And how do we stop that? Uh, the islands
[2:36:30] are high enough that they could do it, and I think they're 17 foot high and
[2:36:35] transport trucks run about 14 foot high so they could get under the canopies.
[2:36:39] um, I'm, I'm concerned that there needs to be something in the
[2:36:44] resolution that states that this is not prohibited as part
[2:36:48] of this, um, um, sheets development.
[2:36:52] mr. Cado with, uh, sheets can speak to that. Good evening. Todd cado, uh,
[2:36:57] sheets incorporated. Senior real estate market manager. Um, so this site,
[2:37:01] we will offer auto diesel at the pumps, which, um, but we will not
[2:37:05] offer high flow diesel. We're glad to put that in a proffer. Um,
[2:37:09] which is what a large tanker would use a high flow diesel. And we have no,
[2:37:13] um, commercial diesel parks on this property either.
[2:37:17] um, that's not something we can restrict. Like sometimes we'll park 'em along the curb, but
[2:37:21] we will need delivery. So we'll have our delivery trucks on our lot. So we do need to make space
[2:37:25] for them. Um, so naturally sometimes that space may get filled by
[2:37:30] a truck, but we definitely aren't inviting or welcoming to those,
[2:37:34] especially this thing. I think what you've suggested, which is to proffer that you would not,
[2:37:38] uh, stock high flow diesel would be sufficient. Thank you.
[2:37:43] and I would just one qualification, mr. Horwood, uh, which mr.
[2:37:47] uh, uh, hill would probably catch anyway. That would probably be a cup
[2:37:51] condition as opposed to a proffer or an sup
[2:37:55] condition as opposed to a prof. We've got both here. I know I, I've complicated things with
[2:37:59] a rezoning and a special use permit, but that would be a, a special use permit condition,
[2:38:04] which we could add to the resolution that no high flow diesel would be
[2:38:08] offered. Okay. At this point, I will
[2:38:12] call on any other citizens who wish to speak.
[2:38:17] seeing none, I will close the public hearing and
[2:38:21] any board discussion that we haven't already had? I dunno.
[2:38:26] don't we're gonna ask you. We have the two reso, uh, ordinance and a resolution. Is that what,
[2:38:30] what we've got here? We've got a revision, we have a revision for,
[2:38:36] and we now have a further revision that
[2:38:40] are we, so which, which one goes, which one goes on? Which, well, I, I think, I think the question is
[2:38:44] do we proceed with this or do we, or do we ask for continuance of
[2:38:48] the meeting? No, we, we do. We we do it now. Don't think continuance is
[2:38:53] required. If we're covered with, with, with the, with the amendments, I think we can move
[2:38:57] forward. All we'll, can I proceed with the, proceed with the motion? With the motion? So which one
[2:39:01] has the r the the resident, the sup.
[2:39:05] well, I mean, which one? I mean, there's an ordinance in that then there's a resolution. So which
[2:39:09] one gets the r or both of them? The r will go on the resolution.
[2:39:13] okay. Because that's the special use permit. Permit. But you have to approve the ordinance first.
[2:39:18] okay. Well, or shown here, you got the, so approve the ordinance first and it does not have an r.
[2:39:22] correct. Okay, so I move ordinance 26
[2:39:26] dash one move.
[2:39:31] so move, roll call. The motion made by mrs. Noll
[2:39:35] is to adopt proposed ordinance 26 dash one to approve
[2:39:39] the application as submitted. Mrs. Noll? Yes. Mr.
[2:39:43] drury? Yes. Mr. Roh? Yes. Mr. Shepherd. Yes.
[2:39:48] mr. Horo? Yes. Motion carried. So now we gotta move.
[2:39:52] now we have the, we have r 26 dash five r. No,
[2:39:56] 25 or 26. 26 dash six dash read.
[2:40:00] didn't have the number here, is it? Is it, they're r 26 dash
[2:40:05] five rr 26 dash five. That six r 26 dash five rr?
[2:40:09] yes. Okay. R 26 dash. Can we, it's moving it, can we list what
[2:40:13] those conditions are under the r because there's been several
[2:40:17] captured on the they're gonna oh, okay.
[2:40:22] I thought that's what, uh, all right. So what I have, we'll start with the easy one. No
[2:40:26] high flow diesel allowed. Um,
[2:40:32] and we didn't, you didn't talk about it as a group, but mr. Horo had brought
[2:40:36] up the, um, sewer connection. Yep. Mm-hmm . You
[2:40:40] want to have that be a requirement at the,
[2:40:44] how do you want to list that? It's a condition of,
[2:40:49] of acceptance that construction on the sheets
[2:40:53] begins. Once the sewer is established. I'm, I'm concerned that the,
[2:40:58] the public is further delayed and it's two years more late. And,
[2:41:02] and you want sheets going ahead, but there's no sewer, so
[2:41:06] has to be tied. I, let me, let me bring their engineer
[2:41:10] up here just to make sure we have the right wording.
[2:41:15] so I'm henry sells with tenants group, um, virginia beach. So
[2:41:20] how I would handle that, if you wanted to add that, would be make the
[2:41:25] co a condition of connection to the sewer at the rear
[2:41:29] of the property through the yorktown crescent development. Okay.
[2:41:34] because that, that would keep you connecting the sheets to that
[2:41:38] instead of anything out on route 17 and all that. Which raises the question.
[2:41:42] yeah. So, so we're connecting to a pump
[2:41:46] station somewhere here. So when, when publix gets built, are they gonna need now create
[2:41:51] a new pump station? No, the, the sewer generation from all of
[2:41:55] these sites has already been run through. Already run through. Okay. Yep. Alright. So you
[2:41:59] wouldn't be held up by the yorktown crescent development
[2:42:04] in any way. The yorktown crescent development provides, uh,
[2:42:09] the sewer, the water, and the storm water. Yeah. So if that,
[2:42:13] if that doesn't move forward, the sheets couldn't move forward. But that is
[2:42:17] also the developer building. The publix is also
[2:42:21] doing the sheet steel. So if one doesn't move forward, the other one, or
[2:42:25] if publix does not move forward, the sheets does not move forward either. Yeah,
[2:42:30] but not the other way around. I'm just concerned that yorktown crescent has drugged their feet on a lot
[2:42:34] for a long time of getting their stuff done.
[2:42:39] the capacity. Yeah. So the, the capacity's there. And when it
[2:42:43] comes to the yorktown crescent development, we're in final stages of site plan approval and they're
[2:42:48] looking to move forward as soon as possible. Well, they told us that three years
[2:42:52] ago. Yeah. So, so before you guys came along, I, yeah, I would like
[2:42:56] to make the distinction that the yorktown crescent is not the developer currently
[2:43:00] doing this. It's redstone. So redstone is who's pushing the cart
[2:43:05] here at this point. And they're much more gung-ho about getting moved forward.
[2:43:09] I hope so. Yeah. And, and you and you, and you want this condition based upon
[2:43:14] the co yeah, I I think it makes sense to base it upon the co
[2:43:18] so that, uh, construction can continue mm-hmm . On both projects
[2:43:22] as quickly as possible. Yeah, I agree. Well, yeah, but what would you connect to before,
[2:43:29] again caught before the horse? If, if, if the sewer's not there. Port of
[2:43:33] john's . Yeah. All right. I'll let the engineers handle it. Okay.
[2:43:41] you out of order. . Alright, so I'm gonna write that one
[2:43:45] as, um, sewer has to be extended
[2:43:49] to the rear of the site before the co can be issued for the sheets or
[2:43:54] for the sheets, right? That's what we said for the sheets. All right. And then
[2:43:58] the last one, the third one, the big one. Um, vdot
[2:44:02] approval was required for the lighted intersection,
[2:44:07] uh, before site plan approval can be given intersection. Mm-hmm
[2:44:11] . Were we taking that the additional level with the co or we just
[2:44:15] leaving? We're just leaving it. Okay.
[2:44:19] sorry tim. The site plan would dictate
[2:44:23] a signal on there if approved. So their
[2:44:28] next, they would've to build it, right? Their next step after site plan approval would be land disturbing.
[2:44:32] okay. So that, that would keep them from clearing any trees or anything like that.
[2:44:36] and that was, you know, what mr. Shepherd was talking about. The final one, earl, was the townhouse, uh,
[2:44:40] proximity. Is there anything required for that setback in term
[2:44:45] the setback for the townhouse? Townhouse number five, the row of apartments.
[2:44:49] oh, that's, that's the apartments. Yeah, that's, uh, those a hundred apartments that were
[2:44:53] proposed in the original master plan. Yes, it does have a 50 foot buffer between
[2:44:57] it. It's very hard to see on the conceptual plan, but when you dig into there, you can,
[2:45:01] it is there now no one has come forward with the apartment development
[2:45:05] at this point, and I don't know that much has been done with the church site
[2:45:09] where that's where that would go. Um, the property is pretty wide 'cause it's where
[2:45:13] the church is kind of sitting right now. Okay. So it's not been previously approved. It's not part of this. Right.
[2:45:18] and they would have to admit they would have to comply with all the setbacks.
[2:45:22] this, this, the setbacks and performance standards for right. The pdr that they've
[2:45:27] already got required, which is not tied to this project. Thank you. Right. You're welcome. Did that got
[2:45:31] all three, right? Yep. Yes. Okay. I'd like to
[2:45:35] move r 26 dash five r.
[2:45:40] so moved. Roll call. The motion made by mr. Drury is
[2:45:45] to adopt proposed resolution r 26 dash
[2:45:49] five r to approve the application as amended.
[2:45:53] mr. Drury? Yes. Mr. Roh? Yes. Mr. Shepherd? Yes.
[2:45:58] mrs. Noel? Yes. Mr. Horo? Yes. Motion carried.
[2:46:03] I was like pulling a kidney stone. .
[2:46:07] I was gonna say pull teeth, but that's okay. I don't know. I don't agree with that. I've had
[2:46:12] two of those. I have, yeah. I'm gonna push the spaghetti the next, uh, application.
[2:46:16] thank you. Thank you gentlemen. Looking forward to it. And ladies,
[2:46:21] application for an amendment to the york county zoning ordinance regarding the use
[2:46:25] of theft deterrent wire. Again, call on madison.
[2:46:29] yes, it's your lucky night. It is. Um, thankfully I was able to get this presentation
[2:46:33] down to just five minutes, so hopefully we can get through it. .
[2:46:39] alrighty. So this application
[2:46:44] is to consider amendments to the york county zoning ordinance within sections 1 0 4 2 7 1
[2:46:49] and 2 7 2 for the use of theft deterrent wire. To quickly
[2:46:54] give, um, some background for this application,
[2:46:58] first, staff look to see what the york county code says about theft deterrent wire.
[2:47:03] the code currently prohibits the use of barbed wire or electrified wire, or similar
[2:47:08] type fences except when used in conjunction with a bonafide agricultural operation
[2:47:12] in a single family residential districts.
[2:47:16] section 24.1 dash 2 7 2 establishes accessory uses
[2:47:21] permitted in conjunction with commercial and industrial uses. In states,
[2:47:25] land use is not listed in the section are and not deemed similar to a
[2:47:29] listed use, shall be deemed not allowed as commercial or industrial accessory uses.
[2:47:34] so because of this, historically, the county has interpreted, uh, the code's lack
[2:47:38] of reference to theft, deterrent wire, and commercial and industrial districts
[2:47:42] as an indication of it not being authorized. However, some
[2:47:46] of the county's businesses have expressed their desire to use theft deterrent wire to protect
[2:47:51] their property and restrict access to dangerous equipment and machinery.
[2:47:55] so that goes into what is proposed to you tonight. If approved,
[2:47:59] the proposed amendments would change three sections of the code by
[2:48:04] one, adding a definition for theft deterrent wire in the context of fences.
[2:48:09] two, clarifying when it can be used in residential districts.
[2:48:13] and three, allowing for the use of theft deterrent wire in commercial and industrial
[2:48:18] districts, while also establishing performance standards for this use.
[2:48:24] the goal of these amendments is to balance community need with safety and aesthetic expectations.
[2:48:30] local ordinances that regulate theft deterrent wire were reviewed, compiled, and analyzed.
[2:48:34] the ordinances analyzed include norfolk, petersburg, hampton, newport,
[2:48:39] news fairfax, stafford, james city, and gloucester. And also
[2:48:43] a work session was conducted on november 24th, 2025 with
[2:48:47] the planning commission ordinance a subcommittee. During the meeting, concerns
[2:48:51] and considerations were discussed relating to residential application performance
[2:48:56] standards and how citizens could request for an exception.
[2:49:02] alright, so now going into, um, the summary and exp
[2:49:06] explanation of the section changes. So the zoning
[2:49:11] ordinance should include precise definitions to ensure there is no legal ambiguity
[2:49:15] regarding what qualifies theft deterrent wire. So the definition,
[2:49:20] um, oh, excuse me. Uh, the definition is to propose,
[2:49:24] um, including security fencing materials that deter unauthorized entry
[2:49:28] by means of sharp edges, electrical charge or specialized construction
[2:49:33] that impedes climbing, cutting, or breaching. Some of these examples
[2:49:37] are razor wire and barbed wire, concertina wire
[2:49:41] that deterrent composite cables, also known as t dccs
[2:49:45] and also electrified wire.
[2:49:50] so section 24.1 dash 27 1 j as it currently exists
[2:49:55] prohibits the use of barbed wire in electrified fences in single family residential areas
[2:49:59] unless with an agricultural operation. So the proposed amendments
[2:50:04] to the section would change three things. First, it would update and remove
[2:50:08] the term single family, so that regulations apply to all of those residential
[2:50:12] districts. The second change would replace the terms barbed wire or
[2:50:16] electrified fence with theft deterrent wire, so it encompasses additional
[2:50:21] security fencing materials. And lastly, the third revision would
[2:50:25] increase clarity of, uh, the requirements by replacing the phrase in conjunction
[2:50:29] with bonafide agricultural operation with when used for gardening
[2:50:33] operations or to secure domesticated livestock. That is consistent with virginia code
[2:50:38] section 55.1 dash two eight.
[2:50:42] this was changed because it reduces, uh, any ambiguity and references the
[2:50:46] relevant section of the code of virginia, which defines lawful fences in this context.
[2:50:52] in section 24 7 2 a addresses the use
[2:50:56] use of fences in walls in conjunction with commercial and industrial uses. So
[2:51:01] proposed amendments to these sections. Um, 24.1 dash 2 72
[2:51:05] a five a through d address the design and aesthetics of 13 of
[2:51:09] theft deterrent wire, such as where the wire can be located,
[2:51:14] including to not allow, um, certain outward projections
[2:51:19] and types of colors to be used, uh, to reduce visual impact
[2:51:23] if next to residential or public right of ways. In this last section
[2:51:27] with, uh, subsections e through f, these establish enforcement mechanisms
[2:51:31] for public safety and sets out administrative exceptions to one or more
[2:51:35] of the standards. Um, the administrative exception can only be granted
[2:51:40] if the strict application would create an unnecessary hardship, um,
[2:51:44] or if an equivalent safety and aesthetic objectives can be achieved
[2:51:48] through different means. Um, so an example of this is if a
[2:51:52] property needs enhanced security, um, they could ask for more
[2:51:57] intensive, uh, use. So we're
[2:52:01] gonna close with staff's recommendation. Uh, the
[2:52:05] proposed text amendments would add a definition for theft deterrent wire, provide
[2:52:09] clarification on when it can be used in residential districts and establishes
[2:52:13] performance standards for theft deterrent wire in commercial and industrial districts.
[2:52:17] the all-encompassing definition provides clear interpretation for application.
[2:52:23] the revisions to include theft deterrent wire for domesticated livestock and gardening
[2:52:27] will be applied to all of the residential districts. And the proposed standards address
[2:52:31] the design and aesthetics of theft deterrent wire and commercial and industrial districts
[2:52:35] with the allowance of administrative exceptions. So with that,
[2:52:40] um, staff recommends approval through the adoption of proposed ordinance number oh 26
[2:52:44] dash two. Thank you for your attention. I'm happy to answer
[2:52:48] any questions you might have. Any board questions? Yep.
[2:52:53] no. All right. So the, the proposed change
[2:52:57] is clarifies use of residential, got to
[2:53:01] have, um, garden or livestock. But does it
[2:53:05] talk to, if you meet those conditions, what
[2:53:09] that fencing should look like? In other words, somebody takes
[2:53:14] a tomato plant, puts it in a pot, puts it in middle of his yard, and now wants to 12 foot high
[2:53:19] wire with electricity and, and razor wire across the top.
[2:53:24] how, how do we define what is applicable in, in a
[2:53:28] scenario in a residential area? Just residential. Um,
[2:53:33] let me think. I know that for residential fencing, there are
[2:53:38] standards in place for residential regarding fencing.
[2:53:42] um, but if we could add an addition to the residential to say,
[2:53:46] hey, it can't be no razor wire above, you
[2:53:50] know, six feet of the fencing, um, and things of that nature,
[2:53:54] kind of how we did it in the commercial and industrial. Um, so
[2:53:59] to be completely frank with you, I'm not a hundred percent sure how to answer that
[2:54:03] question. Um,
[2:54:07] yes, it has to meet the virginia state code section for livestock. And that,
[2:54:12] let's see, what was the section? Okay, so that, but that meets the requirement for
[2:54:16] putting a fence up when I'm asking about what does that fence look like.
[2:54:20] again, they get a chicken in
[2:54:24] on the third acre lot and, and they use that as a reason to put up a 12 foot
[2:54:28] wire fence all around their property line.
[2:54:32] do we want that in our residential areas? I don't think so. So do, is there any expectation
[2:54:37] of if you meet those criteria of residential, what that tions should look like
[2:54:41] and, and how is it limited? Right. I'm trying to remember what the
[2:54:45] state code standards, it does have listed out that it can't be like
[2:54:50] a number of wires. I'm trying to remember if it has kind of the height
[2:54:54] standard. Um, so we could propose
[2:54:58] a revision of the code to add these concerns in.
[2:55:02] if you would like, you
[2:55:06] gotta come up and talk up here. We can't hear you down there nor earl.
[2:55:10] um, we're gonna look up the state code to see if it addresses your concerns.
[2:55:15] okay. All right. Well, one, let me go ahead. Okay. One of the things
[2:55:20] the, the idea of this wire was designed was,
[2:55:24] was designed specifically to protect businesses. Okay.
[2:55:29] I don't, I don't see this in a platted residential area.
[2:55:33] I don't, I don't know why you would put that unless you have a farm. Okay. But you do bring
[2:55:37] up a good point because we do have, we allow chickens, which considered this can
[2:55:41] be considered a farm animal. So then you can have people putting up, uh,
[2:55:46] barb wire, um, I don't know why you put that up for chickens, but anyway,
[2:55:51] um, or payments out. It, it may be an excuse for other
[2:55:55] purposes, but they use the chicken or the tomato plant
[2:55:59] is an excuse to put up larger fence. I don't, don't, that's not something we
[2:56:03] want to see in our reside residential areas. No, we, no, we don't. I don't, I I agree. I don't wanna
[2:56:07] see that in a residential community. It's not designed for that. Right. It's designed for
[2:56:11] to protect commercial property that's exposed. It could be. Now,
[2:56:17] you know, you end up with what we do here with our rezoning. A lot of times we'll end
[2:56:21] up putting businesses close to sometimes residents or residents close to
[2:56:25] business. That's a problem. But it's the, again, the idea was to protect the
[2:56:29] business. Alright. Okay. Now to answer your question about, look how it looks,
[2:56:33] um, the invisible fence, they got an example of that. This,
[2:56:37] this in here. Uh, it's a black one. It's black. Okay.
[2:56:41] yep. If you, if you, you color it black, it's, it becomes invisible.
[2:56:45] you don't really see it. If you leave it shiny, you know, you gotta know. Then
[2:56:49] you, you're looking like a military, military fence. Okay.
[2:56:54] so if, if we wanted to, my recommendation, uh, would
[2:56:58] be just make a, it have to be a, if it's gonna be anywhere near coer, I mean residential,
[2:57:02] it'd be black. Well, I, I, I agree. And, and they talked
[2:57:06] too about the visual impact in a commercial
[2:57:11] area, but I'm, I'm thinking more about our residential areas. Mm-hmm
[2:57:15] . The, well, that's what I, I'm, the slides we're looking at here and we, we saw
[2:57:19] earlier, I think we all envision that if somebody wants to put electric fence around their
[2:57:23] garden to keep deer out, you know, that's four foot high. That's, we're all okay with that. But
[2:57:27] what we don't wanna have happen is somebody to use that as an excuse to put up
[2:57:31] a six foot high wire high security fence because they're, they're
[2:57:36] tired of the kids coming to get that ball in the yard all the time. And we, we don't, we don't
[2:57:40] want to introduce that as a possibility. I think we need to set an expectation of what it would look like
[2:57:44] in a residential area. So we don't, shouldn't be in a residence. Go down that road.
[2:57:49] I, I, I kind of agree with sheila on this one. I, I don't see it
[2:57:53] as a residential use. Mm-hmm. But it, okay. But there's a case,
[2:57:57] okay, there's a case where we put commercial up next to a residential
[2:58:01] and then in that case, that's where you'd have on the commercial side would
[2:58:06] be the barb wire fence. But the, but the proposed changes just
[2:58:10] explain when you can put a fence up in residential, but it doesn't
[2:58:14] provide any expectation or guidance on what that fence should look like or should
[2:58:18] be. Right. Right. How big it could be. Does you, you know, do you have the state code?
[2:58:23] I know y'all looked it up. I'm wondering if we can take this back and, uh, continue
[2:58:27] the, uh, discussion at the next meeting. Yes. I, I think it does
[2:58:31] merit additional thought along this line. Well, we need to give 'em something to, to, to,
[2:58:36] to work on some direction. I think the direction's been given. What,
[2:58:40] what are the standards for inside a residential area? Yeah. Is it four
[2:58:44] foot high and electric, like, like shown in this picture or is it, or somebody has
[2:58:48] a single chicken in their yard and they want to put a I just see the thing is why is it in residential
[2:58:52] in the first place? This is a honey, I don't think you speak well, I know that, but this is, the
[2:58:57] whole thing was not designed. This whole proposal was not designed to be a residential
[2:59:01] use. Then, then commercial use and it's commercial residential
[2:59:06] use. They're changing the audience. Excuse me. The residential use is already
[2:59:10] in there. It's for bonafide agriculture and we've clarified
[2:59:14] that, that you have to meet the state code section. State code section says five feet
[2:59:19] can, five feet is the, is the height. And it talks about like if you're
[2:59:23] just have barbed wire, you can, your strands have to be a certain distance apart
[2:59:27] and it has different, um, regulations for domesticated
[2:59:32] livestock. And then they get into further regulations when you
[2:59:36] get into cattle and things of that nature. That's why we cited that section.
[2:59:40] 'cause it specifically dealt with domesticated livestock in that, that way.
[2:59:45] but we can, we can provide some clarification on the residential side. If, if
[2:59:49] you want to be even further, let, let me let, let bring his point
[2:59:53] up. Do we already have barb wire being used? Okay. This is already, it's
[2:59:57] already out there. You go out there on, uh, on, on, uh, uh,
[3:00:01] victory boulevard, barb wire down both sides. You go down on some of
[3:00:05] the other properties that barb wires already there. Okay. And it's not the hidden
[3:00:09] kind. Okay. It's, it's a silvery, the silvery finish. So,
[3:00:14] oh, rusty. Now one's on a road and we, you know, we've seen this. It's rusted, right? Rust.
[3:00:18] um, and, and, uh, I, so the whole, the, again, the whole
[3:00:22] focus of this was not to be used in a residential area. It
[3:00:26] was supposed to be used for protecting commercial
[3:00:30] property. Right. And we're not, the changes that we proposed are not
[3:00:35] changing anything that's different in the current ordinance. It's just making
[3:00:39] some clarifications in there because we had in there that
[3:00:43] it was single family only. So we weren't talking about
[3:00:47] it in other residential districts or anything like that. We, you know, weren't really specifying.
[3:00:51] we just had, it was a bonafide agricultural use. So we wanted to be very specific.
[3:00:55] that's why we went with the, the, um, agriculture. If
[3:00:59] you wanna remove it from residential use, I mean, we can, I'm okay
[3:01:03] with that clarification. Right. I just, we just need to kind of set the expectation of
[3:01:07] what that will look like. I mean, you don't wanna come home one day no. And, and pulling your
[3:01:12] driveway and you're faced with a six foot tall raise a lot of fence right. On your property line. Either
[3:01:16] for whatever reason somebody did decide they wanted to put that up there. Nobody wants that in our residential
[3:01:21] areas. That's what I want to address. What would that, if, if you're allowed to put
[3:01:25] it there for those bonafide reasons, well, what can you do and what and
[3:01:29] what are the limitations? Okay. We got, we gotta put some limitations on what
[3:01:33] you can do in the residential areas. Five foot. Well, well, the, again, I'm gonna come just
[3:01:37] to the com. I'm gonna come back to the, my concern is when residential and commercial meet,
[3:01:41] well, and that's up. Right? Okay. And that's a valid use of the fencing. And
[3:01:45] it was gonna be higher than four feet, five feet. It could be, it could
[3:01:49] be like, like the picture here, uh, where you've got a maybe an eight
[3:01:53] foot fence and there is a, uh, the outward extension
[3:01:58] of the barbed wire. And I, I mentioned you mentioned in there, would something about
[3:02:02] no outward extension. I mean, outward extension is a
[3:02:06] valid use of, uh, barbed wire to protect things. So I'm not quite sure why that's
[3:02:10] in there. Mark, can we just get clarity on this? I think this, bring it real, it bring
[3:02:14] it back quick. Is that the easiest thing to do? I agree, but this discussion
[3:02:19] is, I think, helpful to mr. Anderson to understand what it is that you want
[3:02:23] us to bring back. So I do think, yes, it should be continued
[3:02:27] until it's done. Before I do that, I want to open up the public hearing
[3:02:32] to see if there are any citizens in the room who wish to comment.
[3:02:37] yes. So, continue it. Seeing none, I'll close the
[3:02:41] public hearing. And now the board's decision, if we wish to
[3:02:45] continue this, uh, discussion. Well, one, I wanna make sure we yes,
[3:02:49] I, I understand. I think I understand what you're saying. You're worried about going, coming home
[3:02:53] and finding a big barb wire fence right. On your property or next around your property.
[3:02:58] that again, is not what the I was, when I got this down here, again,
[3:03:02] I was focused pri principally on the business side. Right. So I'm trying to protect the business side.
[3:03:07] I think residentially, if you wanna put a restriction on it, make it black.
[3:03:11] you make it black wire. Okay. That's a little, a little more expensive. But it's,
[3:03:16] but it's called an, like an invisible fence. You're gonna meet
[3:03:20] state code, whatever they, you said five feet or something.
[3:03:24] okay. It's gotta be black wire. Alright. Uh, I
[3:03:28] don't know what else you, you don't think you make green, but I think
[3:03:32] there are enough changes there that I think we should continue this, right? I mean, you don't, you don't want chicken
[3:03:36] wire up around somebody's all around perimeter of somebody's property. Even you do paint,
[3:03:40] paint it black. Otherwise this boards gonna get flooded with
[3:03:44] calls and going, you know, my neighbor just ruined the neighborhood. 'cause they, they put
[3:03:49] a chicken wire fence off around their property. 'cause they got this tomato plant. Now
[3:03:53] nobody wants that one chicken. Is there a restriction on use of chicken wire or one chicken?
[3:03:57] uh, I'm not sure, but I have an idea of like, I'm ask to propose
[3:04:01] to you all of what to look into. Yeah. I've made a motion. Motion
[3:04:06] has been made. Can we have a roll call please? You call the question.
[3:04:10] yeah. Because I wanna make sure they understand what they're gonna work on. I have heard enough debate
[3:04:14] in here. I think we take it away and let them work at and come back. I
[3:04:18] made a motion that we continue this to a
[3:04:22] a month. You got enough info?
[3:04:27] I'll make a performance standards for the residential. Decide where it needs to
[3:04:31] be. See, I just, I wanna clarify. You,
[3:04:35] you want to reopen the public hearing, but you're gonna continue it to
[3:04:39] february. You just, we just closed the public hearing. Well, that's, that's what I'm saying. If you,
[3:04:44] I just wanna provide that clarification. If you want this to con have
[3:04:49] open dialogue for the public to come in, no. Then you would need to
[3:04:53] open the public hearing, continue it to the february, whatever the
[3:04:57] february open public hearing is. That's a how much time do you need, suggestion?
[3:05:01] how much time do you need? I mean, we could probably put something together
[3:05:05] this week, the end of this week. So you'll be you'll prepared by one of the meetings next week. I mean, we could, we could have it for
[3:05:09] the work session, but I don't know that you have a public hearing component at the work
[3:05:13] session. Mr. Chairman. Uh, you don't have to
[3:05:18] continue the entire public hearing, however, since it's a zoning
[3:05:22] amendment and since public hearing, there's going to potentially be
[3:05:26] substantive changes, it probably would be prudent to
[3:05:30] continue the public hearing and give the public an opportunity to comment.
[3:05:34] I'll reopen the public hearing now. I'll take a motion.
[3:05:39] she already made it to 16th. 10th 16th. February 16th.
[3:05:44] february 16th. Continue to february 16th.
[3:05:49] . I made the motion to continue. 17th, this 16th or 17th.
[3:05:53] all vote. Well, the 16th will be before the meeting, right?
[3:05:58] I guess. I don't know. No. 17th. 17th. 17th. Yeah. Yes.
[3:06:02] my mistake. Thank you, . The motion made by mrs. Noll
[3:06:06] is to continue to february 17th, 2026.
[3:06:11] public hearing for proposed ordinance 26 dash two.
[3:06:15] thank you. Roll call.
[3:06:20] yes. Yes. Mr.
[3:06:25] yes. Yes. Yes. Motion
[3:06:30] carried. We are now moving on to consent calendar.
[3:06:35] so item number seven was to authorize a contract to purchase for and enforcer
[3:06:39] pumpers for fire and life safety. Number eight was
[3:06:43] trolley hardware and software agreements. Number nine was retirement resolution
[3:06:48] for min and number 10 was retirement resolution for charles baldwin.
[3:06:53] do any of the members wish to discuss, uh, any of these items? Yeah, I'd like to
[3:06:57] chat a little bit about number seven. Okay. Number seven.
[3:07:03] number seven. Could we have the chief come forward please?
[3:07:16] mr. Hoy? Chief, how you doing this evening? Alright, first thing,
[3:07:21] enforcer, pumper versus other pumpers would are
[3:07:25] all, all the same. We, they're, they're all the same. The enforcer, the type of chassis currently
[3:07:29] are chassis. We're using a quantum chassis, which is no longer in production.
[3:07:34] um, we switched to enforcers. Oh, that's a brand name. It
[3:07:38] is, it's a model of a chassis. Yes. Okay. It's not a, not a use. It's a, okay.
[3:07:42] yeah. Yes. Okay. Yes. Um, alright. So we're looking at four vehicles.
[3:07:47] we're new pumpers, three of which to replace
[3:07:51] vehicles that are agent I in, in the service life. Yes. In the, in the service life
[3:07:55] determined by miles number of hours to help help us understand
[3:08:00] several, several things. Um, recommendations from the national fire protection
[3:08:04] association. Our fleet maintenance recommendations. Um, based
[3:08:08] on mileage, years of service, actually everything including up, up
[3:08:12] to engine hours. These vehicles, the three, three of them will
[3:08:16] be replacing a 2003 with over a hundred thousand miles.
[3:08:20] um, and two 2000 and eights, which have over a hundred thousand miles on it.
[3:08:25] um, if you take that and look at the service standards
[3:08:29] and work, work in the engine hours, those
[3:08:33] three units are in excess of 300,000 miles. If you use the formula.
[3:08:38] um, basically it's the road mileage times 33
[3:08:42] is what the national standard is. Again, we've run that through and look at it. Um,
[3:08:48] the nfpa recommends frontline service. 10
[3:08:52] years. We've had the schedule set 10 years frontline service, 10 years reserve
[3:08:56] service. So these units are replacing older re that are in reserve
[3:09:00] status right now. And then current units, which are approaching
[3:09:05] some pretty high mileage will be rotated down to the reserve status.
[3:09:09] and the thing to remember with these units is it's a four, one or 48 month, excuse
[3:09:13] me, delivery time. So we will not see those units arrive and
[3:09:17] they continue to build mileage until they arrive. We're trying to stay ahead of that curve. I
[3:09:21] understand. Okay. And we just hit three at the same time. Just, just the
[3:09:25] way the math worked out with, um, usage over time. Actually,
[3:09:29] it's four and the one for stay three replacement. The one one's a new one. One's
[3:09:34] a new one. Yes, sir. Right. Okay. And that's, that was the schedule. The three stays on the schedule that we have
[3:09:38] set forth. Okay. And the new one is, is
[3:09:42] it new one for station number seven? Several more time number seven. Yes.
[3:09:46] do you have staff for that new pumper today? No, we are currently working on
[3:09:50] that. Um, you got four years to get it. We have four years to get it. That's, that's the
[3:09:54] pro, that's one of the biggest, that's one of the biggest things. It's four years till we'll see these vehicles.
[3:09:59] okay. I think we gotta worry about that. I guess I was gonna ask about the timeframe too. And he already says four
[3:10:03] years, so it's like, okay. Yes. All right. Thank you. Thank you.
[3:10:07] okay. I'll ask for a motion to, uh, approve the consent caliber. So move
[3:10:13] roll call. Motion
[3:10:17] made by mrs. Noles to approve the consent calendar as submitted.
[3:10:22] mr. Shepherd? Yes. Mrs. Noll? Yes. Mr. Drury?
[3:10:26] yes. Mr. R? Yes. And mr. Ho? Yes. Motion
[3:10:30] carried. Now I'll come back to, um, the county attorney report.
[3:10:35] mr. Hill. Uh, thank you mr. Chairman. Uh, I don't have a whole
[3:10:39] lot this evening other than to just mention and note that the general assembly, obviously
[3:10:43] is in full swing. Um, I think it's safe to
[3:10:47] say there's a lot of interesting things going on right now. Say
[3:10:51] the least. Um, of, of most interest to local government, there's focuses on,
[3:10:55] um, what, uh, the administration is calling affordability.
[3:11:00] and for our purposes, that is going to have probably some significant
[3:11:05] impacts on our zoning and authority and authority over housing,
[3:11:09] both in the terms of potentially limiting, uh,
[3:11:13] what the county can do going forward in certain instances and perhaps even
[3:11:18] overriding existing authority. Uh, there's a lot of things,
[3:11:22] a lot of interest in data centers, um, and
[3:11:26] a lot of interest in reevaluating how state and local government is financed.
[3:11:32] uh, one thing I'll note, uh, as probably be all, all of you know, is that the,
[3:11:36] this session, it is, it is almost certain that the cannabis, um,
[3:11:40] legalization and retail structure is going to be approved.
[3:11:45] there is significant discussion. Uh, there's already proposals
[3:11:49] on the floor that will, um, address
[3:11:54] how much authority local governments have to, um,
[3:11:59] control, uh, establishments. And the, their,
[3:12:04] their proposals vary from, you can't do anything to, there
[3:12:08] are some limitations. The previous bill from last year
[3:12:12] that was vetoed by the governor would have allowed localities, um,
[3:12:17] uh, a referendum that seems to be off the table. And now the discussion is
[3:12:21] how much or how little authority the local government, uh, attorney's
[3:12:25] association has a, um, has convened a
[3:12:29] small group to discuss this, which I'm a member of, uh, because I know our
[3:12:33] locality has a lot of interest in that particular topic. So we will have more to
[3:12:37] discuss on that in the future. Thank you. Thank you.
[3:12:42] county administrator. Mr. Bellamy. Mr. Ard. Thank you.
[3:12:47] um, I had two real quick items, but I'm actually gonna ask,
[3:12:51] uh, mr. Drury to talk about the no wake signs. Okay. You
[3:12:55] okay with that? Mm-hmm . Okay. And then the second item I wanted you to be aware
[3:13:00] of, uh, the chief and I and chief segerblom have,
[3:13:04] uh, been emailing back and forth about the weather. I just wanted everybody
[3:13:08] to be aware the potential is there for a significant snowfall.
[3:13:13] uh, so keep an eye on the weather and it is, uh, forecast
[3:13:18] to be very cold through the week, so it could present some
[3:13:22] real challenges for us. Other than that, I'm available for questions.
[3:13:27] any questions for mr. Bellamy? Thank you. I don't have mr. Bellamy,
[3:13:31] but before we're done, I do have a question for mr. Hill, but I think you're up next. No, if
[3:13:35] you, um, I will now I'll go to matters presented
[3:13:39] by the board. I'll start with ladies first. With who? Me?
[3:13:43] ladies first. Oh. Oh, here we go, ladies first.
[3:13:48] actually, um, january 10th, I went to christopher newport
[3:13:52] university for the grand opening of their science and engineering
[3:13:57] research center, otherwise known as cert. I've
[3:14:01] got to tell you, normally when I go to christopher newport, I am just in a few
[3:14:05] different buildings for meetings or, or theater or things of that nature. I,
[3:14:09] I have not gone back behind those buildings for quite a while.
[3:14:14] and if you haven't been on the campus, you should
[3:14:19] see how that campus has grown and the buildings are, are,
[3:14:23] are going to be here for 50 years plus 50 years. I think
[3:14:27] there's, the, the construction is, is so classic
[3:14:32] and it is, it is mind boggling
[3:14:36] the opportunities that students now have. I remember when christopher newport was
[3:14:40] just a day school, and it has 30 years ago,
[3:14:45] um, paul triple came and I don't know if you all remember, but
[3:14:49] at that point, what he was looking at building, he had a vision
[3:14:54] and the first thing that he built was the ferguson center. And the architect was
[3:14:58] pay, pay, ppi. And he came around
[3:15:02] to all the different localities for contributions.
[3:15:07] and I'm very proud of the fact that york county contributed significantly to
[3:15:11] it, but not as much as he wanted. Look what it is now today.
[3:15:15] it's absolutely fantastic. And it was more fun because
[3:15:19] I was standing, standing out, you know, watching what was going on. I wasn't gonna sit
[3:15:24] down. And a young woman came up to me and she said,
[3:15:28] mrs. Noll, I said, oh, okay, . It turns out that she
[3:15:32] was a member of the youth commission at one time,
[3:15:36] and she's now serving on the board of directors or whatever they call it,
[3:15:41] of the alumni association. And she's in into marketing
[3:15:45] and she lives in reston. And I think her parents may
[3:15:49] still live here. And I, I apologize because I didn't get any names.
[3:15:53] so after we had the, the, the ribbon cutting, we had
[3:15:57] to, we had a tour to go through. And so I, I got into the,
[3:16:01] um, market, ma, masters, makers,
[3:16:06] makers, I think that's what it's called, uh, laboratory.
[3:16:11] and there were two students in there working on
[3:16:16] using them right now, a little machine. And they were trying to work it on, on the computer
[3:16:21] and make it work that way. And one of
[3:16:25] the students youth commission.
[3:16:29] and I thought, isn't this wonderful? And I,
[3:16:34] I, one of the girls, I can't remember which one it was, the girls was a euphemism
[3:16:38] term at times, but she said, she tells people
[3:16:42] or to look out for the youth commission, they should apply
[3:16:47] for the youth commission. And this is something that we've always pushed. So I
[3:16:51] really wanna congratulate those of those who have served
[3:16:55] on the youth commission. Um, I think steve has done a, steven
[3:16:59] rons done a wonderful job with the past couple of years, several years
[3:17:03] now, I think working with the students. But it is always
[3:17:08] good to know that what you invest in bears
[3:17:12] fruit and seeing these two students both
[3:17:16] stretch, maybe one was 15 years older than the other one, and the one might be the
[3:17:20] freshman. I'm not really sure. But
[3:17:25] it, it makes what we do. Wonderful. And thank you, thank
[3:17:29] you all for supporting the youth commission. And I'm saying this because
[3:17:33] I would like parents, if you watching this program at any time,
[3:17:37] is to talk to your, your, your children who are in high school
[3:17:42] and tell 'em that there's so much that they can learn about local government
[3:17:46] and the opportunities that are out there for them as these young women did.
[3:17:50] so hats off to the youth commissioner and to the new youth
[3:17:55] commissioners. Look what you have to look forward to. Thank you
[3:18:00] mr. Shepherd. Yeah. One of the things I
[3:18:04] occasionally do get to drive around and, and, uh, and just kind
[3:18:08] of look at the, what's going on in the county. And, uh, something
[3:18:13] recently got my attention. I'm driving down 17 and there's a truck
[3:18:17] on fire, okay. And I went, okay, well normally, you know, it's
[3:18:21] a truck on fire. Then I'm driving through one of my neighborhoods. There's a house, looks like it's burned
[3:18:25] down. And then I then I hear about our chief is
[3:18:29] over at, uh, I think it was the food line in pco, wasn't it? At that, uh,
[3:18:34] that it, uh, it was right here. The fire breaks out in there in the back room or something. And
[3:18:38] our chief is the man on the job. So, and then, and then, and
[3:18:42] then I find out another house is burned down and running, man. And I'm going like, what the
[3:18:46] heck is going on? And uh, and it seems like it gets around
[3:18:50] winter time. I don't know. Things seem to to
[3:18:54] happen when it comes to fire portable. And one time I was at, uh, I was,
[3:18:59] I was doing a ride along with chief payne at the time, and we were up in williamsburg
[3:19:03] and we get a call and, and so off we go to this, uh, fire in james
[3:19:07] c county. And, uh, a guy had, uh, had, uh,
[3:19:11] was having a thing, I think it was, uh, thanksgiving and um, they were having a dinner and
[3:19:16] all of a sudden smoke started coming out of the laundry room. And he had taken, uh, extension
[3:19:20] cords and hooked up all his, uh, all, all his, like the dryer
[3:19:24] and the washing machine and everything is all these extension cords. And sure enough, one 'em caught
[3:19:28] on fire and, and kind of smoked at the house. The point here
[3:19:33] is, I'm not sure what's going on this year, but it just strikes me that we're
[3:19:37] seeing a lot more house fires. So I ask the chief if he kind
[3:19:41] of give, explain what's going on, and, uh, he showed pictures of wherever the
[3:19:45] houses were. But the thing he pointed out was that most accidental
[3:19:49] fires in your county are in residential, uh, occupancies
[3:19:54] and are caused by cooking . Okay. So don't, okay, well that's where you turn it on right?
[3:19:59] to dinner. But then you got electrical fires is another common one. Um,
[3:20:03] and then you got appliance failures, that's another one, especially dryers.
[3:20:07] and you get lint in air and that, that can be a lot of fun. Um, and then
[3:20:12] there's the arsons that somebody potentially will set on, unfortunately not that many.
[3:20:16] and then we have commercial that the, like the chief saw. So
[3:20:22] I was start trying to start my fireplace the other day, a, a gas fireplace. And
[3:20:26] I hadn't started in 15 years. I couldn't get it started. Well, I hadn't
[3:20:30] let, hell let gas button down long enough, the gas get through the system. I paid
[3:20:34] $120 for a plumber to come out. And he pushes the button,
[3:20:38] sits there holding, boom, starts right up . And uh, he said, well, you
[3:20:42] did all the hard work. Mm-hmm . Getting the, clearing it out. The point is pay attention.
[3:20:47] it's the wintertime. I know everybody's getting all cozy and wants that coat's on and,
[3:20:51] and you leave things on. And that's a good way for the chief and his
[3:20:55] crews to, to get out there and get some exercise by putting out the fire in your
[3:20:59] house. So I just wanted to bring that to everybody's attention. Pay attention.
[3:21:04] alright, thank you . Alright. Um,
[3:21:08] I think mr. Drury is prime to talk about no wake zone, so I'll defer that to you. Um,
[3:21:12] I want to hit upon, uh, we talked a little bit or heard a little bit tonight from the
[3:21:16] on the hill gallery, and I had the opportunity, I, I missed the
[3:21:20] opportunity to go to the, um, the ribbon cutting, but I didn't make it by there
[3:21:24] later last year sometime. And if, if
[3:21:28] you hear gallery and all you picture in your head is paint is on the wall, you are missing
[3:21:32] out on a large breadth of different type of art styles and works
[3:21:36] from local artists around here. So if you haven't been there, I encourage you to go
[3:21:40] check out, see what they have. It's really accessible right on 17
[3:21:45] heritage square shopper center. Easy to get into plenty parking, uh, check
[3:21:49] it out. Um, as a member of the, um, victory ymc advisory board
[3:21:53] and the healthy kids day subcommittee, and everybody know we've got the,
[3:21:58] this year's annual healthy kids day scheduled on april 18th. It's
[3:22:02] a great event. Um, a lot going on there. And I'll bring that up
[3:22:06] again as we get close to that date. But if you wanna participate in healthy kids
[3:22:10] day, the window to sign up to participation closes in
[3:22:14] feb in end of february. So if that's an interest to you as a, as a presenter
[3:22:19] or response or whatever, um, make sure you get in there before that window closes.
[3:22:23] and last thing is for mr. Hill, um, one of the
[3:22:27] pain points for data center is energy usage and the way that drives
[3:22:31] up costs for everybody across the board. What's the limitation
[3:22:36] on, is it the state level? Is it the federal level that drives,
[3:22:41] well, if data centers are consuming more power, then they need to pay
[3:22:45] more for that as opposed to everybody paying it. Wh where, where's that limitation?
[3:22:50] do you know? Is it it, is that something the state can control? Is that something comes from the federal level?
[3:22:56] I I don't, I don't have a real answer for you on that. Okay. I can look into it though. Uh,
[3:23:00] uh, there, there are attempts, there are several bills that are attempting to address that
[3:23:05] particular issue. It seems that
[3:23:09] the, the feeling is, is that it's a, it's a,
[3:23:13] um, it's a, um, what's the word I'm looking for?
[3:23:17] or excess issue that
[3:23:21] they, um, dominion, dominion has the, the dominion
[3:23:25] and then the big utility in the western part of the state that I can never remember. The,
[3:23:30] they, they, they have the power to, to control who can,
[3:23:35] who can interconnect at what time and
[3:23:39] put some guardrails on allowing additional connections
[3:23:43] if there isn't. But, okay. It's a, it's a very, very complicated issue.
[3:23:47] right. And that, and just wondering where do we, where the residents go to,
[3:23:51] to engage to get some assistance there. Is it your,
[3:23:55] your, your delegates in richmond, or do you go to your congress people
[3:24:00] in washington for, for assistance? That's where, where the rubber meet the road? Or both?
[3:24:04] or both. Right. So thank you mr. Brewery.
[3:24:09] okay. Um, well, since mark brought it up, mr. Bellamy,
[3:24:13] um, I wanted to mention tomorrow evening at the sheriff's department
[3:24:17] in the community room is a public meeting, uh, for
[3:24:21] the no wake zone, um, signs that are out in the
[3:24:26] waterways. I know we've had some issues, uh, this past summer, uh,
[3:24:30] out back my house, in fact of, um,
[3:24:34] some of the, um, people that pull boats over. I can't
[3:24:38] remember what, which department it was. There's several, several out there were pulling these
[3:24:43] boats over for no wait sign. And, uh, some of the
[3:24:47] residents are saying that sign was, uh, an illegitimate sign. So we
[3:24:51] tasked, uh, mr. Bellamy and his team to find us
[3:24:55] all the, uh, recommendations that the board has put forth and voted on
[3:25:00] for the signs. And so we're gonna go over that tomorrow night. The county's gonna go over
[3:25:04] that and tell you exactly what is there now, what has been approved and
[3:25:08] what has not. Uh, and then they'll have recommendations on how to move
[3:25:12] forward with that. So if you're interested in, you don't have to live in the water, but
[3:25:17] if you're a boater and you're out there in the water, you may wanna be interested in that. Um,
[3:25:22] so I would encourage you to be there. You'll have a, a time for a public hearing
[3:25:26] and you'd be able to speak, uh, on your behalf or someone else's behalf. So
[3:25:30] that's between five and seven tomorrow evening at the sheriff's department.
[3:25:35] um, number two, uh, wanted to ask our county administrator
[3:25:40] about the exemption on the live in shoreline for the tax
[3:25:44] exemption and how we can, uh, visit that topic
[3:25:48] maybe next, uh, next month, uh, on what it would take to,
[3:25:53] uh, address that. I've already addressed that to mr. Bellamy earlier in the meeting.
[3:25:57] okay. So, okay. Good. Um, and then,
[3:26:01] um, three, uh, and, uh, mr. Bellamy's
[3:26:05] already mentioned it, the, the storm's coming. And in all indications, it
[3:26:09] could be a pretty bad one from what I'm seeing on the, the, the, um, weather
[3:26:14] channels that I've been watching. So I'm just telling everybody to be prepared.
[3:26:18] get your generators out and running. Um, make sure you get your
[3:26:22] pets and keep them in, um, and take care of your elderly,
[3:26:26] the people that you love and, and cherish. Make sure they're taken care of. Check in
[3:26:30] on 'em very frequently. Um, but this one could be
[3:26:34] a pretty bad storm according to the weather channel. Um,
[3:26:39] and last but not least, I always want to,
[3:26:44] um, talk about the great businesses coming to york county and where
[3:26:48] we're at on some of them. I had the privilege to go by virginia beer company this
[3:26:52] past week and q addies this past week to get a tour.
[3:26:56] and, um, virginia beer company is slated for a ribbon cutting on the
[3:27:01] 29th of this month. And, uh, q daddies I think is
[3:27:05] gonna probably be about a week behind them is from what I'm seeing, they're probably gonna be the first
[3:27:09] week in february. Um, if you, if you've gone
[3:27:13] by the cookout demo, uh, it's on the ground. So they had a big pile of
[3:27:17] concrete when I went that went by there today. So that's moving along. If you've
[3:27:21] been by chick-fil-a, that's, that thing is getting ready to get erected here pretty darn quick. I see
[3:27:26] they've got trusses already on the ground. Um, they've got pipes in the ground,
[3:27:30] concrete's in the ground, uh, from what the owner operator's telling me they're shooting
[3:27:34] for april. Unless the weather holds 'em up. I think we're gonna have a chick-fil-a
[3:27:38] in april. 'cause it's moving along really, really quickly. Um,
[3:27:43] and, uh, tommy's, uh, the new car wash is coming along
[3:27:48] really, really quick. I was surprised how fast that thing is has been erected.
[3:27:52] so, uh, anyway, got some great, great business coming. Hopefully we'll get
[3:27:56] this, uh, we'll get this sheets coming through and, uh,
[3:28:00] the public will get started here soon. Start generating some more revenue for the county
[3:28:05] and take it off the backs of the taxpayers. Thank you. Thank you. Mr. Drewry
[3:28:10] had a couple of items, um, wanted to start with discussion on, uh, primrose
[3:28:14] school of yorktown last friday. Each of the board of supervisors
[3:28:18] was able to drop by for the ribbon cutting that we held, uh, at primrose
[3:28:22] school. Uh, it's owned by two us navy veterans, amber
[3:28:26] and, uh, michael lemke. It's, uh, located on draft craft
[3:28:31] and drive. Uh, it's primrose school is a us based network
[3:28:35] of franchised accredited private preschools providing early
[3:28:39] education, early childhood education. There are now over 550
[3:28:44] of these schools across 36 states. The school officially opened
[3:28:48] this morning with 56 students enrolled and will grow
[3:28:52] to approximately 200 students currently employing 25
[3:28:56] staff. And that will also grow to about 35 reason I
[3:29:00] bring this up. In addition to, uh, giving a shout out to the fabulous couple who
[3:29:04] have, uh, started up, uh, and are running the school, is the fact that it went from groundbreaking
[3:29:09] to opening in seven months. In fact, 21
[3:29:13] months from the initial site plan submission to completion,
[3:29:18] the primrose school's franchise developer who was on site for that, uh, ribbon cutting,
[3:29:22] made a point of pulling me aside and complimenting york county
[3:29:26] on the ease and the speed of the approval process. He has worked all
[3:29:30] over the us and has never encountered a location where
[3:29:34] the complete submission has been so efficient. So kudos to our
[3:29:38] staff and my appreciation to mark and his entire team for making this happen.
[3:29:43] the board has made it a point over certainly the last couple of years to focus on streamlining
[3:29:48] the approval process for new businesses. And this example stands
[3:29:52] out representing the early successes of the county. So well done
[3:29:57] discussion on property assessments. Homeowners in new york county have by now
[3:30:01] received their property tax assessment and this is done on a two year cycle.
[3:30:06] the last date of schedule, an informal review with the county assessment office
[3:30:10] is january 27th and february 27th is the last
[3:30:14] day to submit a formal application to the assessor's office. Should you choose
[3:30:18] to pursue a formal appeal through board of equalization,
[3:30:23] pay attention to your real estate assessment. I have personally reviewed over 500
[3:30:27] homes in my district. By and large, the assessments are correct
[3:30:32] and fair in terms of matching true market value. Based upon recent home sales
[3:30:36] information, I've noted about one to 2% of the assessments, however,
[3:30:41] have needed correction or rework. Now is the time to speak up if
[3:30:45] you feel that you have been incorrectly assessed. My compliments to
[3:30:49] christie pittman, the county assessor and her team within the assessment office. They've
[3:30:53] been very thorough, responsive, and professional in dealing with the owner's
[3:30:57] concerns. But if you have concerns, get them in quickly.
[3:31:02] and finally, upcoming budget discussion. The board has begun to review or receive a
[3:31:06] number of email correspondences on the budget. This can be done by going to york
[3:31:10] county homepage and selecting budget information in the dropdown list
[3:31:15] or email directly to bos@yorkcounty.gov.
[3:31:19] and I encourage our citizens to reach out and express your concerns and
[3:31:23] your compliments. We accept both and I will tell you that we pay attention to
[3:31:27] the input. And as chair, I've already begun to, uh, provide direct feedback
[3:31:31] to those citizens who've reached out. We'll have multiple opportunities
[3:31:35] for public forums. Two of the meetings march 31 and april 2nd,
[3:31:39] similar to last year, include one-on-one discussion with the board and
[3:31:43] feedback from each supervisor at those meetings. These two meetings are held in the
[3:31:48] upper county at griffin yates and the lower county at the york pcos and sheriff's office.
[3:31:52] this is your chance to be heard aside from an election year. Take
[3:31:57] advantage of these opportunities. Thank you, mr. Shepherd.
[3:32:01] will you take us into closed session please? Okay. Uh, in accordance
[3:32:05] with section 2.2 dash 37 11 a, one of the code of virginia,
[3:32:09] I move that the board supervisors convene enclo meeting to provide
[3:32:14] a per, uh, to consider a personnel matter involving appointment
[3:32:18] of individuals to boards of commission. Okay. In accordance
[3:32:23] with section, uh, 2.2 dash 37 11 a
[3:32:27] three, the code of virginia, I moved, uh, that the board of supervisors
[3:32:31] convene a closed meeting regarding real property use for a public
[3:32:35] purpose, uh, specifically, uh, pertaining to
[3:32:40] the possible acquisition of several parcels of real property for a public
[3:32:44] purpose. Roll call please. Mrs.
[3:32:48] noll? Yes. Mr. Drewry? Yes. Mr. Rome? Yes.
[3:32:53] mr. Shepherd? Yes. Mr. Hoy? Yes. Motion carry
[3:32:58] and I.