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And the same protocol will follow with the green light, the yellow light, and the red light. At the end of the presentations,

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there will not be an opportunity for me to bottle if you disagree with somebody who will come back before the commission.

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And then we will discuss and have an input from there.

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All right, thank you. Right, since seeing we don't have any citizen comments now, we will open the public hearing.

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Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Application PD-4517, like foot development.

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So, an application to request many of the York County Zooey Mac by reclassifying approximately

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22.4 acres of land from economic opportunity to plan development, mixed use, subject to

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voluntarily-property conditions.

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For the purpose of establishing a mixed use development, consisting of 276 apartment units and

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up to 20,000 square feet of commercial storage space.

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Cepacinity map of the property, the applicant's properties are outlined in red, main front

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on light foot road and the rear on Route 1, 99, homosign parkway, and then on the west side

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front on to Old McMortown Road.

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Surrounding uses are for the most part commercial driving range across the street and then

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Make it property on the other side of Old Mortown Road to their west, recently had an approval for warehouses on that property.

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Beyond that, beyond the railroad tracks, two gas stations, car sales, and another shopping center.

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The blue dash line is the James City County line.

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Beyond Richmond Road, James City, there's a mix of residential and commercial uses.

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The existing buildings on the applicant's property are all houses that would be demolished

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to remove from the property as part of the application.

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Also subject to a 150-foot wide dominion energy power easement, parallel to Old

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More Town Road.

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So zoning map of the area, the applicant's property and all surrounding properties are

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owned economic opportunity, the other side of the railroad tracks is General Business,

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GB, and the James City County side are a mix of residential and commercial uses.

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Properties also subject to green belt buffers for both lightfoot road and route 199,

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cross-tached and green.

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Lightfoot road also subject to tour's corridor management overlay provisions,

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And the entire property is subject to the watershed management and protection overlay district due to drainage area within the wall or mill reservoir area.

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The comprehensive plan designates this property for economic opportunity with mixed use overlay and provisions in the comprehensive plan in Kate mixed use is intended to create a well design community provide opportunities for a mix of

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retail, office, and residential uses, different types of residential uses to include detached,

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attached, and apartment uses, all within relatively compact development under a unified

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master plan.

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It's an aerial of the area.

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Again, the applicant's properties are outlined in blue.

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Route 199 down to the south.

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And note that there is heavily wooded areas along the southern and eastern property borders of the property of a health buffer route 199.

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It's photographs of the area. This is on lightfoot road applicants property to the left, the railroad crossings right there and you're facing the light you see in the distance there is Route 60.

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Look in the opposite direction, down-light-foot road, that's hold-more-town road to the right.

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The house there is one of the houses that would be removed on the applicant's property.

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The white building to the left is the driving range that's across the street.

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This is a property that is slated for warehouse uses, you can just see old-more-town road there.

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This is old-more-town road at the Route 99 overpass to the rear of the property and see

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noted heavy landscaping heavy tree cover there that I noted. And this is on old

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more town road facing toward lightfoot. The white building there is the

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batting cages and driving range. Applicants property to the right.

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He's just looking at it from front. These are two of the houses that would be

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removed on the applicant's properties. Lightfoot crossing shopping center and

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just to the east, and this is the shot, the building there is the back of the Williamsburg

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Outlet, Williamsburg Antique Mall, just to show the heavily wooded area there between the two properties.

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Project summaries, I mentioned 22.4 acres overall, 18.3 of those are

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available once you deduct out the area under the power

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easement.

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They are proposing 276 apartment units in which for this acreage

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would equate to a density of 15.1 units per acre.

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Parvans would be a mix of one, two, and three bedroom units

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spread out in 13 buildings.

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They're also proposing a 500 square foot clubhouse

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outdoor pool in Pavilion area associated with the apartments.

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and four commercial buildings for a totaling 20 up to 20,000 square feet of

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flora area.

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Area required to have 10% of the gross area for open space and they have provided two and

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half acres or 11% would include both passive and active recreation areas.

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Three entrances, the main entrances on lightfoot road, two additional entrances on two old

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more town road.

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This is a layout plan, supplied by the applicant.

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The gray are the 13 buildings.

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Commercial buildings up on lightfoot road.

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They would be centered toward the main entry way.

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And then down in the apartment complex section,

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there would be a clubhouse and then pool and pavilion area.

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Some more detailed layout plan.

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In red, our road improvements that would be needed that they are proposing for light-foot road

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that would need to be turned lanes and turn tapers on either side of the main driveway.

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The yellow cross-touch area is the proposed open space.

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Infiltration yards for stormwater runoff are shown in pink and again note the dominion power

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management off to the west end of the property.

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Architectural elevations submitted by the applicant.

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They have indicated this is for the apartments.

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They would be a mix of hardy plank and faux stone.

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They would conform to tourist corridor management provisions

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as far as the architecture and materials and colors go.

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These are conceptual drawings for restaurants, restaurant buildings,

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and conceptual drawings for office and other commercial areas, and note that they are all

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coordinated as far as the facade and materials go.

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Applicants submitted a traffic impact

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analysis indicates that the development would result with an additional 3,038 vehicle trips,

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average vehicle trips per day, 2016 VDOT traffic counts for life-foot road average daily trips

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is 9800 so that would be a fairly significant increase in traffic from the development.

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As I mentioned, turn lanes and turn tapers are needed for the life-foot road entrance and

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are proposing.

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On their plans.

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The impact analysis also took into account level service impacts. Those are

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a measurement of how well intersections and roads function as far as traffic goes with respect to congestion,

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long queue times at intersections, safety, et cetera. The grey drawn from A, which would be complete

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free flow, no impacts to a level service F, which would be a complete failure of the intersection

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or the road.

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The applicant noted that the intersection surrounding the development all would have acceptable

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level of service, which is up to CRD.

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However, there are two intersection lanes into the intersections where there would be a level

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the service that would drop from CDE, that would be a Northbound Omortown Road at Lightfoot,

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and then the Westbound section of the More Town Williamsburg Pottery and Lightfoot roads,

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both of those legs would deteriorate from the CDOE according to their traffic study.

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I'm looking also submitted a fiscal impact analysis.

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indicates a net revenue, 7,225 dollars, annual costs, 411,375, and this is at build out, with

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having a positive fiscal impact of $294,900.

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Department grants would average about $1,300, and according to the applicant's analysis,

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average household income would need to be 90,925 for that rental amount or 85% of the 2018

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average household income.

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Also announced, analyze school impacts as a result of the apartment part of the development.

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This site is in the attendance zones for Waller Mill Elementary, Queens Lake Middle School

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and Bruton High School.

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If you take into account future development in these attendants zones that would include

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resownings that have been approved and also development plans for which site plans or

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construction is also started, we would have future capacity shortfalls in both Waller

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Mill Elementary School and Queen's Lake Middle School.

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I do want to note that the analysis, these are staffs, numbers did include development of

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Cloning Wavesburg property off of bypass road in 132.

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It had a development approval.

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It was some time ago.

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The applicant did not include it as part of their

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proper analysis, because they felt it was too speculative.

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So, Charc, I'm showing the three different school districts

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and their capacities, Waller Mill,

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would have, has a capacity to add 160 students.

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Queensland could add up to 219 before hitting capacity and brutal up to 470.

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When you take into account the potential future students, as well as resownings like

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Arbordale and then this application, and so I noted you would see a shortfall in both

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Wallerville and Queensland.

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The

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applicant has voluntary, voluntarily-proford, per unit contributions toward their portion

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of impacts to the schools, Wallermell Elementary, toward classroom space, 643, 896.

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They also indicated what resulted in a need for one regular bus in a special needs bus,

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which

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of $2,645 in 45 cents.

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I'd like to review the planned development mixed use,

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district objective,

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development objectives from the zoning ordinance.

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Efficient use of land within increased density's concentration

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of units should be a mix of shopping, office, cultural recreation,

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residential uses.

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should be set up within walking distance of each other.

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Should be a main internal main street design

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to any mixed use,

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balance mix of residential and non-residential uses.

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Alternative housing choices,

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to include, as I mentioned,

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for the compound, single-family detail.

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Attach, attach, townhouses, etc. And it should be a landmark place with superior design elements, and a design, a common design theme.

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The zoning ordinance contains additional guidelines in order to meet those objectives.

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Development should have a town center, village, dream, as a central design element, or focal point.

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Ground floor units, facing that center should be predominantly retail and, unless accepted by the Board of Supervisors, 40% of the development units should have

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be a mix of commercial and residential.

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Also, as required to have a sequencing development sequence for the residential and commercial

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development so that they're developing, concert with each other.

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Our recommendation, we are recommending denial of this application.

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For reasons being, there are no mixed use buildings in here.

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It's just the separation.

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There's just commercial and residential.

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There isn't a mix of the residential building types.

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All you have are apartments.

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We don't feel it is a landmark place.

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It's well laid out the buildings looked to be architecturally well-suited, but we didn't feel

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that it was landmark in comparing it to other apartment complexes that have been approved

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in the county.

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There isn't any real village center or integration of the commercial and residential uses.

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The commercial areas relatively separate from the apartments up toward lightfoot grow.

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There is a common green with the clubhouse area in the Pavilion, but that's really centered around the apartment buildings.

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And sequencing schedule,

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they're only proposing one of the commercial buildings, which would be 28% of the total by the 108th apartment unit, which would be 65% of the apartments would be done before any retail was started.

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And they have no completion date for the remainder of the commercial area.

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They had indicated that it would be market driven and they don't feel there'd be any market before the apartments would be completed.

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Staff feels what the development really represents is a residential multifamily district development with commercial outparsals.

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Only difference being in a residential multifamily zoning, they would have 96 fewer units than what are proposed in this development.

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We have concerns with the school capacity impacts when you take a look at the cumulative impact of all the residential properties we've got already in the pipeline.

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Although they have voluntarily offered to contribute funds toward impact to Waller Mill, and

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accordance with recent code of Virginia changes, Prophors can be considered unreasonable

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when not based, specifically, on impact of the use of the time of the rezoning.

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The additional school-aged children they would add as a result of this development in and

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itself would not cause over-capacity or capacity issues but taken as a whole with all the other

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all the other developments that we've got scheduled the overall impact would be overcrowding.

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We don't feel it's consistent with the comprehensive plan and it's not a real unified mix of

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retail, office, and a very residential unit types.

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Therefore, recommending denial, however, if the Planning Commission wishes to recommend approval,

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we do have provided Resolution PC17-12R for your consideration.

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And I note that we have not received any comments specific to this application.

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There were four support letters that the applicant brought in this evening that I've placed

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at your, at your, on the days there.

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And I am, applicant is here, and I'm available to answer any questions you might have.

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Right.

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Commissioner Mr. King, do you have any questions for the slide?

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Mr. Chairman.

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Bill?

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No.

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Excuse me.

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I have a question to you.

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Mr. Parker.

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D.D. had no objections.

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But brought up several points.

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If the 200-foot tapers require widening of 647.

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Could Vida stop the project or delay it until the widening is completed?

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That would be handled at site planner approval.

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They were going to need to submit more detailed traffic information at that time.

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And if it shows that, you know, they'll need widening in order to install those improvements,

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then that would be required as a part of the site planner approval.

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Thank you.

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Any further questions?

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We have to.

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I think three people scheduled for getting with Mr.

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Gettie.

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He states your name address.

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And I think he's serious.

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Mr. Chairman, members of the Commission, I'm Vernon Gettie.

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1177, James Town Road.

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It's my pleasure to be here tonight representing lightfoot development.

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Likefoot development is the property owner here and from light to foot development.

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We have Dr. Theo Batistas in Mike Bramble.

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Those two and other members of the Batistas family

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of the owners of lightfoot development.

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They were among the very early believers in commercial development

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in lightfoot, and the county's economic development efforts pushing commercial development.

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They acquired this property in 2003 and 2004.

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They, in 2005 and 2007, bought additional three parcels, totaling 12 acres in the International

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Center, overall, as should be part, drive.

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So nobody has a keen or interest in the commercial success of lightfoot than the Batista

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family.

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Also here Denise LaCore with Denstock development, the proposed developer of the

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apartment part of this project in Steve Romeo with THB, who was the traffic consultant

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in engineer on the project and Ted Fogura, our fiscal consultant. It won't surprise you to

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know that we disagree with staff's recommendation in this case. We believe this proposal

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is generally consistent with the comprehensive plan in as much needed in this area.

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The site has been marketed for purely commercial uses for 13 years now with zero success.

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It's simply not a prime commercial property, and I think in discussions I've had your economic development

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Department would agree with that.

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We think this is a mixed use project that makes sense for this location.

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It will be attractive, it will be of the highest quality, and at this point, this will

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occur.

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We'll address you about the apartment part of the project, and then I'll close briefly

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all within our ten minutes.

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If I talk quickly, there's always a trepidation when it's a government festival.

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I'm sorry, Denise LaCore, and I'm within stock LLC.

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There's always trepidation when a developer comes into town and builds an apartment community.

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And there's that inherent fear that the developer is going to build it with cheap products or cheap materials.

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They're going to flip it to make the quick profit.

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And then they're also going to lead town.

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And unfortunately, that leaves the community with buildings that cannot withstand the test of time.

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So what I wanted to show you tonight was some pictures of our projects that show that that's not the case with our development company.

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You know, we're going to go like this.

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As you can see, we've been building apartments in 1992 and we have yet to sell a single apartment community.

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So what we are is that we feel like we're rolling term players when we come.

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We have a best interest in making these apartments the nicest that they can be,

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which means that we have high quality materials.

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We also have a sister companies that manages all of our apartments that we've built,

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and we take very high size facts, and that we have very high resident ratio,

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because again, we maintain our properties so well.

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All of our properties have a clubhouse, and we have like community sitting outside,

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because we always want to foster that sense of community, and we have pools,

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sometimes splash pads around the pools,

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we'll have deck furniture, grills, bar pits, furniture again,

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just a falster that sends a community.

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In our civilians, we typically have seeding

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with barbecue grills, outside TVs,

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soft seeding, and a covered area.

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In our clubhouses, typically about 5,000 square feet,

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all day long are all.

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Residents are welcome to come in and use the club room. And at night, they can also rent it if they want

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to have a event something like a baby shower or perhaps even an engagement party. Our residents

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also pay a one time $250 a minute fee and they have 24-hour access bill electronic key to areas

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other areas of the club house such as our media room or our rec room, which often times has a pool

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table or the business center or a fitness center with the state of the art gym equipment.

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So we feel like we've build the the nicest clubhouse. We also build very nice apartments

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and that we have stainless steel clients, granite countertops, architectural lights, crown

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molding and the living rooms with ceiling fans, large bedrooms with also their ceiling

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fans and the master walk-in closet, bathroom with granite countertops. We have the soaker

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we have tile and each apartment has a simple size washer and dryer.

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So all of those, we feel we have a great product and it was the

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staff alluded that maybe it was not the proper time to build this project

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and we think it's the absolutely perfect time.

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And for two reasons we believe that.

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One is within a one and a half mile radius of the lightfoot project.

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There's a vacancy of 133,690 square feet of retail, and they've been vacant for three years,

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and that's according to your economic development department.

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So there's a tremendous amount of detail, and 276 rooftops will really help to bolster

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what is a flagging retail economy in the northern part of your county.

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Also, the planner talked about the lack of residential myths.

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We believe apartments are important for this to be a viable project and why would we say apartments?

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And that's because we're listening to the market.

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This is a very important graph to look at.

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And that shows you that home ownership is declining.

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And you can understand why it might be declining at the beginning of the recession when a lot of people

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lost their homes due to poor closure.

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But what's really dramatic is this declining even in the last few years

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where the economy has been rebounding, and why is that?

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And that's because the two largest segments of our population

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are the millennials and the baby boomers,

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making up about 50%.

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And they are actually changing their minds.

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They don't want home ownership.

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They want to live in apartments.

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And why would that be?

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Well, millennials, they're used to technology.

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They're much more mobile population.

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They move all the time.

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Also, a standing 58% of them are still paying on student loans and can't save a lot of money to put down a down payment on a house.

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The other is, or the baby boomers, and the baby boomers are changing their mind.

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And a lot of that is a result of that great recession.

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They don't want to be balanced by homeownership, by having to do the long, or having to work with their HVAC.

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A.C., they rather be the lock and leave generation where they can leave the apartment for

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three weeks, four weeks, go travel around the U.S. go visit the grandchildren for weeks

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at a time and not have to worry about what's happening at home because the management team is

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taking care of it.

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So if we look at the apartment, we think it's a great time to build this.

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And if you look at the site plan, you can see that we do have the retail upfront and we did

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that on purpose.

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The traditional neighborhood development typically is a much larger square acreage, an acreage,

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but also, as you pointed out, it might be in the center.

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But just looking at that vacancy rate and how huge it is already.

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If we were to put this retail and screen it totally by all these apartments, it would be suicide

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for the retail.

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They could not live on just the 276 rooftops.

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they have to have that visibility off light but road.

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So we brought them to the front.

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But what we did is we connected them with a very big network of sidewalks.

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It's a very quickly and would drive you through our community.

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You can see the sidewalks, we go by the entrance and if you look,

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on each side of Plankham's retail, you can see the pedestrian

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pavilion, the planners, the seating area where the people are sitting.

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As you come up to the clubhouse and we turn, you can see that all of the architecture

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is very much matches and then to our left, you will see that we will have the big green.

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And as we rate this turn, you will see the pool, the civilian area and as we continue

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down, you will see all the buildings or flanking that village green.

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We are now coming over here by the Wingsburg Antique Mall and you see the back of the buildings

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is it all?

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Also provides access to us to the back of this retail. And so not only do we have sidewalks, but we have the big hit or access to it.

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And I'll close briefly to several points we want to make.

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We think with this design and layout and with its consistent and attractive architecture and design, the boulevard entrance you saw in the village square, that this does create a landmark place.

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And we think it does it in a way that makes sense,

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and poises it to be successful.

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It will provide a much needed shot in the arm

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for both the existing businesses in the area

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and help fill the empty storefronts that there's so many of.

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We've gone door to door.

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I've talked to a number of the businesses

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Mike Bremel is literally gone door to door.

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In the support for this is universal.

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In the message we hear as we need customers,

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numbers, we need rooftops.

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It provides high quality housing. It's a half a mile from the

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old-mortown road entrance to this project to the Centaro Regional Medical Center. I personally

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met with Dave Masterson with Centaro who is in full support and you have Dave's letter. It will

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be very helpful for them in recruiting both staff and physicians. We think it's a sensible

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commercial element, and again, it's set up to be successful.

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Thank you, Mr. Good.

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One last sentence, if I could, Mr. Johnson,

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just that the applicant has stepped up with reasonable cash

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Prophors to address the school impacts.

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Thank you for your consideration.

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We'd be glad to answer any questions.

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I have any questions.

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Can we share some of the questions?

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It's just that a question.

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You talked about, or one of you talked about the obvious vacancy rate for retail, and

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one of the critiques that staff has mentioned in their staff report to the commission

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is that the development doesn't include an adequate mix of commercial retail, and I'm just

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Here is how you expect to meet that goal when there's already an existing vacancy rate out there,

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and it doesn't appear in the quantity of apartment units that's going to satisfy the existing

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gap.

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Excuse me, that's out there and enough to provide a commitment that you can construct commercial

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and retail.

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So if you can address the delta there between your development and the commercial retail

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Yeah, a couple of points there, one, I think, and Amy said in her report, we actually meet the requirement for the amount of commercial proposed suggested by the ordinance.

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In terms of the phasing, we do recognize that the retail struggling in this area, I mean that's one of the key points for the project to help that.

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But we are comfortable that the development of the apartments will generate demand for the building we have phased if you will.

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We think that the continued development and build out of the project, the build out of projects like Arbordale will generate demand in the area in the 20,000 square feet will ultimately fill out.

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But we think this project needs to be completed before we would foresee that happening.

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Okay.

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Thank you.

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It's Jeremy.

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Other folks?

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It's a beautiful.

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Vida talked about having the entrance off Old Morse town road rather than light-foot road.

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As I traveled in the area, light-foot road is a very heavily traveled road without your development.

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Can you give us a reason why you've oriented it to light foot road when the traffic situation is so bad currently?

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Denise or Steve would you all?

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Yeah, I would say there was a several reason for that.

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One we have to cross the Virginia power easements.

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So we are somewhat restricted in what we can do and come in off the road.

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Also, if you look back at the site plan, we have a curve there.

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You have to worry a little bit about site distance when you have a main entrance.

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And the third reason is being because like but it's traveled and we do have the commercial in the front, it's important to them that they have that disability and it's exposure to traffic.

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Commission, I'm Steve Romeo with VHB.

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We've looked at a couple of improvements that can be made very, very easily and simply in that area, the first being.

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Putting flashing yellows at the intersection of more town and light foot road, that will improve the existing condition tremendously.

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It will also help the development stay within the guidelines of level of service by not migrating into category E. The other improvement that

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could be made and should be made, which is articulated in our traffic study, is that the county

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petition V dot to do a speed study because the posted speed is nowhere near what the actual

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speed of the traffic in that area is, it's much lower because of the proximity of the railroad

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track, and that will also help the functionality of that road.

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Okay.

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More questions for me.

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Thank you.

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Thank you very much.

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All right.

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We have Dave Vanville.

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I'm actually with the applicant.

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Was that it?

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Yeah.

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Dave Granwell, but I don't know what to do.

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Okay, come forth.

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So you've already spoken.

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Okay.

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So that's it.

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Anyone else wishing to speak to this application?

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All right.

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Soon we have no.

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We bring it down to the commission.

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Is it okay?

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Well, public hearing is close.

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Well, public hearing is close yet.

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I'm sorry.

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I'm going to explain first.

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I am looking at this proposal.

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I agree with staff.

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It doesn't fit the description.

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It makes use of a small MFU project development.

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It doesn't have a schedule for completing a commercial part.

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And if you look at the density of housing, which is 50% over the guideline, if you took the ratio of the guideline density of housing to purchase space,

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you would have about 1,000 feet for breach 10 residences, which means that you would need about 28,000 feet of commercial space to balance out with the number of residences.

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And so I don't think the description of the project meets our good zoning and comprehensive

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plan.

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I also, I'm very skeptical of the financial impact analysis, I've seen these impact analysis

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before they make a much of very favorable assumptions that are very favorable to the

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that leaving out costs,

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like replace them for schools,

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air conditioning, rules, and space that's going to be used

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for this development.

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So I can't support this development.

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This type?

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I want to sit with the staff on the inside.

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So they don't need to see where the advocates

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made the case that we should change our basic,

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I don't see where the staff, where the applicant

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has made the case to change her basic guidelines to any significant degree.

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So I support this panel.

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And three.

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Yes, I, when I travel up there, the problems with the commercial, like the light

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foot crossing shopping center, most of the area is completely not being used there.

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There are signs there, but the businesses have closed up.

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So it is an issue to bring in commercial based on what is currently there with the number

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of residential thing.

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However, I can't support the application because it is really not a planned development

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mixed use, development, and what concerns me is the traffic and the impacts to the school.

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I think I'll charge you to look at this, given the guidelines that apply to the PDMU.

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And it seems to be a disparity between staff and certainly my point of view in terms of how this

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being reviewed and how it needs those guidelines and so I struggled to support this application.

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I've tried to look at it from many points of view and given the guidelines that we have

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If you look at the cumulative impact, but I think it's more fair to look at the actual impact of the project itself.

458
00:50:09,650 --> 00:50:16,730
Because in that has implications for the proper, so I don't think we'd ever get anywhere, if we were just tricky looking at that way.

459
00:50:17,090 --> 00:50:25,110
So I see some pluses and minuses, but without the commitment to the commercial aspect of it, as it is described in the guidelines,

460
00:50:27,070 --> 00:50:36,230
10% residential density is the recommendation we're at 15.1, which is 50% above, so I don't

461
00:50:36,230 --> 00:50:41,550
see the partnership between the county and the development in terms of the given take in order

462
00:50:41,550 --> 00:50:48,370
for this to meet the guidelines. That's where we have the spared here, so now the guidelines

463
00:50:48,370 --> 00:50:55,430
need to be, the boards certainly can change or recommend, but in my position here, I think

464
00:50:55,430 --> 00:50:57,170
we're here to apply those guidelines.

465
00:50:57,370 --> 00:50:59,230
These are meets at work, doesn't it?

466
00:50:59,470 --> 00:51:01,730
And in my point of view, it doesn't.

467
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:05,740
So if you have any further discussion?

468
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:08,060
I don't have anything other at Mr. Chairman.

469
00:51:08,220 --> 00:51:09,500
I agree with my fellow commissioners.

470
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:13,380
I agree with the applicant that residential in this area is something that's missing

471
00:51:13,380 --> 00:51:14,460
and highly needed.

472
00:51:14,900 --> 00:51:19,740
I just think that proposals just not ready for prime time and either this is the wrong

473
00:51:19,740 --> 00:51:31,910
location or the wrong timing or you just don't have the right mix to meet the spirit and intent of the ordinance so I agree with my fellow commissions and I'll be voting against it

474
00:51:34,570 --> 00:51:41,940
Well, I'll entertain motion if we've exhausted our discussion, but if there's more to do then I'll entertain motion

475
00:51:41,940 --> 00:51:48,060
Chairman, I'm willing that the Commission recommend denial of this application to the board of

476
00:51:48,060 --> 00:51:48,360
supplies.

477
00:51:51,700 --> 00:51:53,040
Just for clarification.

478
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:59,840
The procedure is to move the resolution that's before you.

479
00:51:59,980 --> 00:52:02,360
Then if you're against it, you would vote no.

480
00:52:02,940 --> 00:52:04,220
And if you're for it, you would vote yes.

481
00:52:04,540 --> 00:52:06,400
I agree that that's been our usual procedure.

482
00:52:06,660 --> 00:52:09,660
I think there's one reason the exception to that.

483
00:52:09,720 --> 00:52:11,300
I've had it with either way.

484
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:36,380
I'll admit my motion to move the resolution to prove this application and prove the resolution.

485
00:52:39,060 --> 00:52:40,100
4517

486
00:52:43,970 --> 00:52:54,950
is to adopt resolution number pc17-12r to rezone approximately 22.4 acres located

487
00:52:54,950 --> 00:53:00,150
at the southeast quadrant of the intersection of light foot road and old more town road

488
00:53:00,150 --> 00:53:04,630
from economic opportunity to plan development mix use.

489
00:53:05,190 --> 00:53:05,890
Mr. King?

490
00:53:09,070 --> 00:53:09,710
Mr.

491
00:53:09,810 --> 00:53:10,830
We're adopted.

492
00:53:11,190 --> 00:53:13,110
Resolution to deny the application.

493
00:53:13,510 --> 00:53:13,950
No, we'll change.

494
00:53:14,310 --> 00:53:14,510
We'll change.

495
00:53:16,470 --> 00:53:17,730
We'll modify it.

496
00:53:18,670 --> 00:53:19,150
I'll be here.

497
00:53:19,550 --> 00:53:20,050
Mr. Phillips.

498
00:53:20,470 --> 00:53:20,690
Okay.

499
00:53:21,830 --> 00:53:23,030
My vote is no.

500
00:53:23,830 --> 00:53:24,530
Thank you.

501
00:53:25,930 --> 00:53:26,510
Mr. Phillips.

502
00:53:28,670 --> 00:53:29,570
Mr. Titus.

503
00:53:29,650 --> 00:53:30,010
No.

504
00:53:30,890 --> 00:53:31,870
Mr. Peterman.

505
00:53:32,210 --> 00:53:32,390
No.

506
00:53:33,110 --> 00:53:33,890
Mr. Johns.

507
00:53:34,270 --> 00:53:34,550
No.

508
00:53:34,550 --> 00:53:37,770
The motion fails 0 to 5.

509
00:53:39,810 --> 00:53:44,550
This would likely go to the board, September 19th.

510
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:28,260
Thank you, Mr. Chairman, members of the Commission, this application is a rigged

511
00:54:28,260 --> 00:54:32,720
request for a special use permit to authorize and existing auto body and painting establishment

512
00:54:33,260 --> 00:54:36,020
at 60-09 towards Washington Memorial Highway.

513
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:38,820
The applicant is Junior Cox.

514
00:54:40,300 --> 00:54:46,300
Property consists of six parcels with the total area of 12.2 acres, on the west side of

515
00:54:46,300 --> 00:54:51,100
2017 about 2,200 feet north of the Newford-New city line.

516
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:55,160
The property is zone general business along Route 17,

517
00:54:55,980 --> 00:54:59,960
and economic opportunity to the rear auto body and painting.

518
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:08,460
Requesting requires a special use permit in both the GB and EO zoning district. The property to the west of

519
00:55:08,460 --> 00:55:13,860
the applicant's property, which is labeled PDMU, that's a plain development mixed use, that's the common

520
00:55:13,860 --> 00:55:19,320
wealth green, plain development, first phase of which the apartments have been built.

521
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:25,000
The

522
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:28,040
much mirror the zoning classifications.

523
00:55:30,820 --> 00:55:33,920
Coxon's collision center, I'm sorry.

524
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:39,880
The Coxon's collision center was established in 1983

525
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:43,880
on a 1.4 acre parcel on Route 17.

526
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:49,160
And at that time, the auto body shop was permitted

527
00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:51,660
as a matter of right under the zoning that was in place

528
00:55:54,700 --> 00:56:11,720
The following year 1984, the Board of Supervisors approved concurrent rezoning and special use permit applications for the one and a half acre property to the West, to allow the body shop operation to be expanded onto the property.

529
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:24,840
The original building that you see on the parcel up front is the body shop, and then behind it, the one to the west is a paint shop that was approved in 1984.

530
00:56:26,340 --> 00:56:36,080
In 33 years, since then the applicant has acquired four additional adjacent parcels, including total area from 1.4 acres to 12.2.

531
00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:39,760
These properties are used for various activities that are

532
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:43,880
ancillary to the body shop, primarily parking and vehicle storage,

533
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:48,640
also to provide a landscape buffer from adjacent properties.

534
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:51,960
In addition, a couple of additional buildings have been built.

535
00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:57,000
There is a storage building, sort of northeast of the paint shop,

536
00:56:57,320 --> 00:57:01,120
and then the building that you see to the south of the property was built

537
00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:07,420
in the early mid-2000s and is used for storage and classroom space.

538
00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:18,320
And in the next couple of years, as most of you probably will recall, there is a new

539
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:21,600
road that's going to be constructed through the property by the developers of Commonwealth

540
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:22,340
Green.

541
00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:27,350
This was something that was offered as a condition of approval of that project, shown as

542
00:57:27,350 --> 00:57:33,650
drive on their plans, and that will cut through the applicant's property up there that parcel

543
00:57:33,650 --> 00:57:34,770
to the north of West.

544
00:57:36,810 --> 00:57:41,530
The over the years have been three comprehensive rezoning so the county

545
00:57:41,530 --> 00:57:46,770
that have affected some of all of the applicant's properties, and numerous zoning ordinance

546
00:57:46,770 --> 00:57:51,850
tax amendments, applicable to auto body shops as a result of all this. The zoning status for

547
00:57:51,850 --> 00:58:00,550
different parcels has changed over the years from a buy-right use to legally, non-conforming

548
00:58:00,550 --> 00:58:09,610
use to conforming special use. Sort of a patchwork quilt. In discussions with the applicant

549
00:58:09,610 --> 00:58:13,570
between the applicant and staff, it was felt that it would make sense to formalize the

550
00:58:13,570 --> 00:58:21,490
approvals status of the entire operation under a uniform set of conditions that would be

551
00:58:21,490 --> 00:58:23,570
of the entire 12.2 acres.

552
00:58:24,250 --> 00:58:28,550
So the applicant has submitted this application for a new use permit to supersede the one that

553
00:58:28,550 --> 00:58:33,090
was approved in 1984 and it would apply to the entire land assemblage.

554
00:58:35,630 --> 00:58:41,010
This is the, excuse me, the body shop is viewed from Route 17.

555
00:58:42,130 --> 00:58:47,730
The brick building is the body shop and that's just another view along the side.

556
00:58:48,310 --> 00:58:55,930
And, and this is that building that I mentioned it was built in the mid 2000s, uses classrooms based storage space.

557
00:58:56,590 --> 00:58:58,750
And the page shop located behind the body shop.

558
00:58:59,710 --> 00:59:03,890
This is a vehicle storage area along the southern portion of the property.

559
00:59:04,390 --> 00:59:09,910
As you can see, there's abundant vegetation there providing a screen from the adjacent property, which you can't see in this picture.

560
00:59:10,350 --> 00:59:17,490
There is about a six foot high wooden privacy fence that provides additional screening of the vehicle storage area from the adjacent property.

561
00:59:17,490 --> 00:59:23,550
And this is the other vehicle storage area to the north, which also has a lot of vegetation

562
00:59:23,550 --> 00:59:26,010
to screen it.

563
00:59:26,330 --> 00:59:30,350
No fancy, the only fancy is the chain link, which is obviously no screen at all.

564
00:59:32,250 --> 00:59:38,350
And this is the bird's eye view of the property as it looks about four years ago when this picture

565
00:59:38,350 --> 00:59:42,630
was taken and just for orientation purposes, there again is the future road to net drive

566
00:59:42,630 --> 00:59:43,910
that's going to come through there.

567
00:59:44,810 --> 00:59:51,830
As you can see, this is actually the road right of way, it's not the pavement with itself, it's not going to be that way.

568
00:59:52,670 --> 00:59:59,970
But as you can see, the road comes right up against that vehicle storage area along the northwest, so one of the conditions.

569
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:07,180
Questions of approval that we proposed as part of this application is for the applicant to provide landscaping

570
01:00:07,180 --> 01:00:09,320
supplemented by a fencing of necessary.

571
01:00:10,020 --> 01:00:16,960
To screen views of that vehicle storage area from what's now being called Jeanette Dry.

572
01:00:18,680 --> 01:00:25,260
And I will point out that the vehicle storage area, as you saw in the previous picture, looks

573
01:00:25,260 --> 01:00:29,420
little better than it does in this aerial photo, it doesn't really do it justice.

574
01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:36,800
But there is a condition in the proposed resolution that will require landscaping supplemented

575
01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:37,360
by fencing.

576
01:00:38,300 --> 01:00:41,840
And it's important because this is going to be the entrance of the approved 17 entrance

577
01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:46,200
into a Commonwealth Drive, this is one of the county's economic development priority areas.

578
01:00:46,900 --> 01:00:52,420
And we do want it to be a nice attractive road coming through there in both directions.

579
01:00:55,280 --> 01:01:01,560
The total building square footage on a property is a little under 49,000 square feet.

580
01:01:02,160 --> 01:01:05,880
You can see the acreage of the various buildings up there on these slide.

581
01:01:06,300 --> 01:01:12,740
There is no construction, no additional construction being proposed as part of this application.

582
01:01:13,940 --> 01:01:19,300
What the applicant is trying to do is just basically memorialize what's in place now.

583
01:01:19,300 --> 01:01:29,380
And if at some point down the line, either he or our future owner wanted to propose an expansion,

584
01:01:30,780 --> 01:01:33,940
they would be pretty limited in what could be allowed as a matter of right.

585
01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:38,340
Since this would be, this would fall under the special youth permit provisions,

586
01:01:39,420 --> 01:01:43,480
or the provisions applicable to amendment or expansion of special uses.

587
01:01:43,480 --> 01:01:51,000
And so any expansion over 5%, which would be about 24 or 2,500 square feet would require

588
01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:52,360
a port of supervisor to approval.

589
01:01:55,610 --> 01:01:57,950
But again, the applicant has no plans to expand.

590
01:02:04,840 --> 01:02:11,620
Basically, this application is trying to formally recognize the situation that exists today

591
01:02:11,620 --> 01:02:16,640
and it's a situation that hasn't caused any problems, no conflicts with the joint adjacent

592
01:02:16,640 --> 01:02:17,460
property owners.

593
01:02:17,460 --> 01:02:25,460
As I mentioned, no expansion is proposed and if there were any plans to expand it would be pretty limited and what could be allowed with that purpose of the rise of the approval.

594
01:02:26,440 --> 01:02:30,880
I also mentioned the vehicle storage from the screen from the to be screened from the road.

595
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:46,640
As things stand now, we really don't have the ability to require that even though zoning ordinance provisions do require auto repair garages to screen vehicle storage areas from joining properties and public rights of way.

596
01:02:46,640 --> 01:02:52,620
And as we were talking about a new road coming through an existing body shop.

597
01:02:53,280 --> 01:03:01,020
So without this condition in the resolution, there would be no way for the county to mandate any screening of that road.

598
01:03:01,800 --> 01:03:09,000
So we're recommending a proof of the application through the adoption of the proposed resolution R7 PC-17-21.

599
01:03:10,180 --> 01:03:16,620
Mr. Coxon is here to answer any questions you might have of him.

600
01:03:20,010 --> 01:03:26,550
I think this enhances the existing situation we have out there in good opportunity to take some improvements.

601
01:03:27,330 --> 01:03:35,790
I just have a question that's an aside to this is the status of Genet Drive and whatever you can.

602
01:03:36,170 --> 01:03:46,950
The last I heard from the engineer on the Commonwealth Green project is that they're still waiting for that final

603
01:03:46,950 --> 01:03:58,770
Well, there's some small isolated wetlands on that property, and as you may recall, the developers

604
01:03:58,770 --> 01:04:09,650
of that project came back to the county to get basically an extension to, of the time limit, which was about to expire last November, to build that road.

605
01:04:09,650 --> 01:04:15,830
And so, according to the engineer, they're very close now to getting that last wetlands permit

606
01:04:15,830 --> 01:04:20,330
and after that, the road has to be built within two years.

607
01:04:20,870 --> 01:04:25,710
And the utilities too, it's not just the road, they're extending the water and sewer lines

608
01:04:25,710 --> 01:04:26,710
through that property.

609
01:04:27,490 --> 01:04:27,810
Okay.

610
01:04:28,230 --> 01:04:28,430
All right.

611
01:04:29,210 --> 01:04:29,570
Thank you.

612
01:04:30,910 --> 01:04:31,390
It's folks.

613
01:04:32,860 --> 01:04:33,660
But

614
01:04:36,260 --> 01:04:44,960
the question, Jim, in moving board in Genet Drive gets finished up, moving from partial

615
01:04:44,960 --> 01:04:48,320
to to partial three, and we kind of north north of the question.

616
01:04:48,980 --> 01:04:50,620
I could talk with my hand sometimes.

617
01:04:52,740 --> 01:04:59,980
Is there any concern that we may need to also block off that northern...

618
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:06,760
adjourned side of Jeanette Drive. The condition in the use permit would also apply to anything done on the north side of Jeanette Drive.

619
01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:22,500
Okay. So if the applicant were either to expand or consider expansion on that side, or consider relocating the operation over to that new parcel, it would be subject to that same conditions. So landscaping fence would be required to.

620
01:05:22,500 --> 01:05:24,040
Okay, Grant. Thank you, guests.

621
01:05:27,700 --> 01:05:28,180
Mr. Peters.

622
01:05:29,260 --> 01:05:29,640
All right.

623
01:05:30,040 --> 01:05:32,100
I don't have any questions for you.

624
01:05:32,800 --> 01:05:33,340
Thank you, Tim.

625
01:05:34,240 --> 01:05:39,060
All right, you have Mr. Coxen signed up to address the commission.

626
01:05:40,220 --> 01:05:41,700
Please state your name address.

627
01:05:41,920 --> 01:05:43,040
Good to see you then.

628
01:05:43,460 --> 01:05:44,880
Harman Coxen.

629
01:05:44,980 --> 01:05:47,860
Four o'clock on O'Ramley Creek Road.

630
01:05:49,360 --> 01:05:51,420
Mr. Chairman, members of the commission.

631
01:05:52,040 --> 01:05:54,420
I'm your nice, really question that you have.

632
01:05:55,760 --> 01:05:58,420
I've been here a long time and I can do it.

633
01:06:00,300 --> 01:06:03,880
The answer about, let me landscape, yes, it's go cost us.

634
01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:05,020
We're going to have to get landscape.

635
01:06:05,740 --> 01:06:08,660
We're also going to have to, it's going to be a security problem.

636
01:06:09,020 --> 01:06:11,200
Come, you're going to have a lot of cars going up the net area.

637
01:06:12,240 --> 01:06:15,240
And if we are problem, it's going to be a fine answer problem.

638
01:06:15,240 --> 01:06:17,000
We'll have to take care of it.

639
01:06:17,000 --> 01:06:22,600
as the countergrows, so should bear this, so we want to do that. I think it'll be good.

640
01:06:24,120 --> 01:06:31,280
Thank you, Mr. Cox. Any questions, Ms. Kim? No questions? No questions? No questions?

641
01:06:32,840 --> 01:06:38,560
Thank you. Thank you. Anyone else wishing to? I don't have any other, I don't have anybody

642
01:06:38,560 --> 01:06:43,460
signed up to speak to this application, but is there anyone wishing to speak to this application

643
01:06:43,460 --> 01:06:49,540
on the cocks of application. I see we have none. We will close as part of the public and

644
01:06:49,540 --> 01:06:50,680
bring it back to the commission.

645
01:06:56,760 --> 01:06:59,100
There's no discussion now in the table of motion.

646
01:07:00,020 --> 01:07:05,500
Mr. Chairman, I recommend that the commission adopt Resolution Number PC-17-21.

647
01:07:07,180 --> 01:07:15,800
The motion by Mr. King is to adopt Resolution Number PC-17-21 to recommend approval of a special

648
01:07:15,800 --> 01:07:21,400
use permit to formalize the approval status of an existing auto-body work and painting

649
01:07:21,400 --> 01:07:36,440
establishment on Route 17. Mr. Titus, Mr. Philips, Mr. Peterman, Mr. King, Mr. John's,

650
01:07:36,440 --> 01:07:38,900
The motion passes five to zero.

651
01:07:39,440 --> 01:07:40,800
All right, and this is a go before the board.

652
01:07:40,840 --> 01:07:42,320
I believe that's September 19th.

653
01:07:42,320 --> 01:07:42,940
That's correct.

654
01:07:44,260 --> 01:07:44,840
Thank you.

655
01:07:45,480 --> 01:07:46,660
Oh, thank you.

656
01:07:46,820 --> 01:07:50,240
Have our next evening, there's another thing.

657
01:07:55,600 --> 01:08:01,840
Yes, this is for an application, UPA-94-17 for Janice C. Evans.

658
01:08:02,320 --> 01:08:08,220
As for a special use permit for a tourist home at 125 horseshoe drive, it's shown here in

659
01:08:08,220 --> 01:08:13,700
red off a horse shoe drive, which is a loop road off of East Queen's drive.

660
01:08:14,360 --> 01:08:20,100
Okay, here has two side streets point-lore place and hunter-lane, but all these houses

661
01:08:20,100 --> 01:08:23,020
access off of the loose one way or another.

662
01:08:23,500 --> 01:08:25,800
This is the aerial photo of the property.

663
01:08:26,420 --> 01:08:28,720
Again, the house is shown in red.

664
01:08:29,800 --> 01:08:34,820
The property, in the last slide, all the properties are zone R, R, and designated

665
01:08:34,820 --> 01:08:37,440
low density in the comprehensive plant.

666
01:08:38,200 --> 01:08:42,100
The existing development on there is a single family home.

667
01:08:45,040 --> 01:08:47,300
This is a picture of the property from the driveway.

668
01:08:47,520 --> 01:08:52,260
You can see the parking area outside the two car garage here,

669
01:08:52,400 --> 01:08:54,540
and the driveway leading up to the front of the house,

670
01:08:54,860 --> 01:08:57,660
standing on the other side, kind of looking from the other direction,

671
01:08:58,500 --> 01:09:01,020
showing that the home, the backyard,

672
01:09:02,420 --> 01:09:04,980
the deck there in the back, and the flat space,

673
01:09:04,980 --> 01:09:11,200
and it goes down to the lake there, and this is standing on the other side of the driveway

674
01:09:11,200 --> 01:09:16,740
looking up into that parking area. You can see the two car garage, the driveway area, parking

675
01:09:16,740 --> 01:09:22,960
area there in front of us, and then the driveway going up to horseshoe drive. Just a little background

676
01:09:22,960 --> 01:09:30,900
for this. We had the county received a complaint on January 20th of this year. The our zoning code

677
01:09:30,900 --> 01:09:37,700
enforcement office went out and did some investigation, looked, found that this was a site

678
01:09:37,700 --> 01:09:45,520
being offered on the Airbnb website. They sent a notification or a notice of violation to

679
01:09:45,520 --> 01:09:51,940
the property owner on May 3rd of this year when unclaimed. They were finally able to get in contact

680
01:09:51,940 --> 01:09:58,940
with the caretaker of the property mis Williams and they adjusted the notice of violation and

681
01:09:58,940 --> 01:09:59,960
he sent it on May 30th.

682
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:13,760
We have found that went unclamed also. Eventually, they were able to have a phone conversation with Ms. Williams and let her know that the property needed to either get a special use permit or cease operation.

683
01:10:14,560 --> 01:10:18,980
And that's when Ms. Williams came in and applied for the special use permit.

684
01:10:21,900 --> 01:10:26,600
tourist homes are defined as an establishment either in a private dwelling or in a structure

685
01:10:26,600 --> 01:10:31,920
accessory and subordinate to a private dwelling, which temporary accommodations are provided

686
01:10:31,920 --> 01:10:34,360
to overnight transient guests for fee.

687
01:10:34,840 --> 01:10:38,940
A little different than bed and breakfast, we do allow bed and breakfast also, but in bed

688
01:10:38,940 --> 01:10:43,140
breakfast, of course you have to have breakfast, you have served breakfast, and you also have

689
01:10:43,140 --> 01:10:48,220
to have someone on premises, either an operator or the owner or owner of the residence needs

690
01:10:48,220 --> 01:10:52,380
be living there, and that's different from tourists' homes.

691
01:10:52,480 --> 01:10:57,000
We don't require anyone to live in the home and be a caretaker of any kind.

692
01:10:57,660 --> 01:11:03,160
It can be the whole structure or can be used for the transient gas.

693
01:11:03,380 --> 01:11:08,200
And there are no requirements for breakfast or anything of that nature.

694
01:11:09,180 --> 01:11:14,060
But it is required to maintain a parent's of a single detached home and normal residential

695
01:11:14,660 --> 01:11:15,220
use.

696
01:11:16,680 --> 01:11:19,980
This is the sketch plan the applicant gave us.

697
01:11:20,400 --> 01:11:25,640
This is a three bedroom tourist home about 2,500 square feet,

698
01:11:25,780 --> 01:11:27,600
single family detached home.

699
01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:31,060
It is surrounded by single family homes across horses

700
01:11:31,060 --> 01:11:34,320
who drive and on either side or single family homes.

701
01:11:35,300 --> 01:11:37,040
This is the applicant's floor plan.

702
01:11:38,040 --> 01:11:40,900
There's a one story home with a basement.

703
01:11:40,900 --> 01:11:48,060
The upstairs has a living dinette area, dining room, living room kitchen, sun room, and then

704
01:11:48,060 --> 01:11:50,500
three bedrooms which would be available to the guests.

705
01:11:52,280 --> 01:11:56,380
The applicants later didn't stipulate how many guests they would allow in the maximum.

706
01:11:57,040 --> 01:12:01,820
So staff assumed because there are two bedrooms would be two guests per room, so about

707
01:12:01,820 --> 01:12:08,400
six maximum guests at one time, and the latter did not also did not specify how long the

708
01:12:08,400 --> 01:12:13,380
would be if there is a minimum of maximum, it didn't stipulate that.

709
01:12:15,330 --> 01:12:20,430
The applicant is indicated that they no longer are offering this home on the Airbnb site.

710
01:12:21,230 --> 01:12:26,510
It's no longer being offered for occupancy, but it has been booked up through September 5th,

711
01:12:26,690 --> 01:12:31,390
at which point on September 5th the owner is looking to occupy the structure again.

712
01:12:31,990 --> 01:12:37,190
I will note that's about two weeks before the board of supervisors is actually here this case.

713
01:12:40,350 --> 01:12:43,010
But they are, they just, they just, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they,

714
01:12:43,090 --> 01:12:47,110
premises would no longer be offered for rental beyond that date, and that's what they said in

715
01:12:47,110 --> 01:12:47,590
their letter.

716
01:12:49,250 --> 01:12:55,050
There are several, been breakfast in Yorktown, or in York County, most of those are located

717
01:12:55,050 --> 01:13:00,050
in Yorktown Village here in the historic area, there are three, and then we have the Bay

718
01:13:00,050 --> 01:13:05,130
Tree Beach Manor down in Seaford on a 9.5 acre lot on the water.

719
01:13:05,890 --> 01:13:18,330
We've also had two tourists home in the man guest cottage down the more house area in your coast guard base and then the most guest cottage here in Yorktown, but that's no longer being used as we understand it.

720
01:13:20,990 --> 01:13:33,390
The property of 125 horseshoe differs from those that we mentioned it's not within walking distance of any kind of historic district area or tourist area.

721
01:13:33,390 --> 01:13:39,730
Yorktown here is historic areas, so it's easy within walking distance for those kinds of uses.

722
01:13:40,150 --> 01:13:49,870
Nor is it located on a large parcel in a relatively isolated area, similar to the Seaford Road Bay Tree Beach Manor, Bed and Breakfast.

723
01:13:51,310 --> 01:13:59,050
This is located on a 15-foot wide loop street, horseshoe drive, which serves about 28 single-family detached homes.

724
01:13:59,050 --> 01:14:03,110
And that drive is accessed off of East Queen Street.

725
01:14:03,590 --> 01:14:04,950
Equal drives, sorry, East Queen's drive,

726
01:14:05,150 --> 01:14:08,850
which is only about 20 feet wide in places.

727
01:14:11,250 --> 01:14:13,090
This is similar to another request we had,

728
01:14:13,270 --> 01:14:14,330
which it was also in Queen's leg.

729
01:14:14,330 --> 01:14:17,710
It was on the other side of Queen's leg off West Queen's,

730
01:14:17,710 --> 01:14:18,630
on Valor Corde.

731
01:14:18,670 --> 01:14:20,790
It was a single family home on a cold attack.

732
01:14:21,230 --> 01:14:25,590
There was no owner residency in that request.

733
01:14:25,590 --> 01:14:33,830
It got a lot of opposition from the adjacent neighbors who were concerned about the short-term

734
01:14:33,830 --> 01:14:39,270
stays for these guests, and eventually the board did vote to deny that application.

735
01:14:39,610 --> 01:14:45,510
It was mainly on because of the lack of onsite management and the concern from the neighbors that they received.

736
01:14:47,840 --> 01:14:49,960
Traffic is a bit of a concern with this application.

737
01:14:50,920 --> 01:14:54,760
A typical single family home has about 9.6 vehicle trips per day,

738
01:14:54,760 --> 01:14:59,960
So on horseshoe drive with 28 homes, we have about 269 vehicle trips per day.

739
01:15:00,940 --> 01:15:05,680
How are we proposed? Tourstones are a little bit different. With a maximum

740
01:15:05,680 --> 01:15:10,460
of optimistic of six people, that's about three times the average household size generation,

741
01:15:10,820 --> 01:15:16,100
so about 57 trips per day, likely. And with vacationers, you're going to have more trips

742
01:15:16,100 --> 01:15:20,280
because if we're becoming and going multiple times throughout the day, with potential

743
01:15:20,280 --> 01:15:26,740
for multiple vehicles being in and out of that property. So the possibility of higher traffic

744
01:15:26,740 --> 01:15:29,120
with kind of use, it is great.

745
01:15:30,900 --> 01:15:32,320
Parking, the Zodiacanastroquars,

746
01:15:32,740 --> 01:15:34,780
five off street parking spaces for this.

747
01:15:34,920 --> 01:15:36,060
They can't accomplish that.

748
01:15:36,060 --> 01:15:37,440
They have the two car garage.

749
01:15:38,100 --> 01:15:41,640
They have space for three more cars on the outside.

750
01:15:42,360 --> 01:15:45,880
And that about 36 foot wide area outside the garage.

751
01:15:46,160 --> 01:15:47,820
And as well as the parking,

752
01:15:48,080 --> 01:15:50,120
the driveway can have some parallel parking

753
01:15:50,120 --> 01:15:52,720
because it is wider as you get closer to the home.

754
01:15:54,180 --> 01:16:02,660
I will note that staff has put in a requirement for screening of the parking area in the post-resolution.

755
01:16:04,580 --> 01:16:06,660
Queensland does not have a homeowner's association.

756
01:16:07,040 --> 01:16:09,380
They have a volunteer association.

757
01:16:10,280 --> 01:16:15,300
Many residents belong to the association, but it's unlike a homeowner's association.

758
01:16:15,580 --> 01:16:19,300
It does not have any legal jurisdiction over the use of the property in the neighborhood.

759
01:16:19,300 --> 01:16:23,740
of regardless of this, the county cannot be partied in kind of enforcement of any private

760
01:16:23,740 --> 01:16:25,520
covenants that they may have.

761
01:16:25,960 --> 01:16:30,360
That's a grim as between private property owners, so the county really can't take any

762
01:16:30,360 --> 01:16:31,620
part of that.

763
01:16:33,880 --> 01:16:40,960
In allowing tourist homes in the rural residential area, we have said that there could be

764
01:16:40,960 --> 01:16:46,160
some allowances and special by special use permit, so it could be appropriate but not in

765
01:16:46,160 --> 01:16:52,660
locations. Tourist homes by their nature are higher intensity than a single

766
01:16:52,660 --> 01:16:56,340
family home with vacation rentals generally having a higher per unit

767
01:16:56,340 --> 01:17:01,920
occupancy as well as increased traffic and vehicle trips per day.

768
01:17:03,200 --> 01:17:07,920
The use could be appropriate at some residential areas if there was on a larger

769
01:17:07,920 --> 01:17:13,000
parcel in a more sparsely developed location, however, this is a quiet neighborhood

770
01:17:14,360 --> 01:17:18,320
with immediate neighbors on both sides and across the street.

771
01:17:18,540 --> 01:17:23,060
The staff does not believe the traffic and activity levels associated with this proposed use

772
01:17:23,060 --> 01:17:26,860
would be compatible with the residential character of this or the surrounding area.

773
01:17:27,900 --> 01:17:32,940
The resident owner would not be on site for any of these rentals.

774
01:17:33,500 --> 01:17:37,820
So there is no one there to monitor use the property or the conduct of the applicants.

775
01:17:37,820 --> 01:17:49,160
And as I said, we've had a citizen complaint that originally brought this to our attention and then there have been additional complaints of users of the property since that time.

776
01:17:49,700 --> 01:17:57,460
So there is no guarantees that they would cease use or once she did take when she went on the property.

777
01:17:58,160 --> 01:18:02,560
There's no guarantees that she would prevent stop using the property for the rental.

778
01:18:03,320 --> 01:18:08,400
Therefore, based on those considerations, we as staff feel like you should recommend denial

779
01:18:08,400 --> 01:18:09,560
for this to the board.

780
01:18:10,260 --> 01:18:14,780
However, if you would like to recommend approval, we have provided you with a resolution,

781
01:18:15,180 --> 01:18:18,740
a PC number, PC number 17-22.

782
01:18:19,760 --> 01:18:21,840
In there, we have stipulated a few conditions.

783
01:18:22,220 --> 01:18:24,220
I would just like to talk about quickly.

784
01:18:25,760 --> 01:18:29,860
It would need to operate in accordance with the narrative, sketch plan and the floor plans,

785
01:18:29,860 --> 01:18:37,060
the African is submitted, they would need to obtain the required building permits and occupancy

786
01:18:37,060 --> 01:18:40,160
permits, licensure, and so forth from the county.

787
01:18:41,080 --> 01:18:46,500
We are asking that in the conditions that the owner be an occupant of the dwelling, if it's

788
01:18:46,500 --> 01:18:51,060
going to be rented out, the owner needs to be living there so they can monitor what's going

789
01:18:51,060 --> 01:18:54,840
on and that the limit be up no more than six people.

790
01:18:55,460 --> 01:18:59,460
And that Austria parking would be screened from the adjacent property.

791
01:19:00,280 --> 01:19:04,200
Additionally, fire and life safety had some concerns because

792
01:19:04,200 --> 01:19:06,920
that they would like address, and so we included things in there,

793
01:19:07,140 --> 01:19:10,220
like requiring an emergency action plan, fire extinguishers,

794
01:19:10,520 --> 01:19:13,460
interconnected smoke detectors, and an annual fire inspection.

795
01:19:14,100 --> 01:19:17,580
And then lastly, the big one is that if you were to recommend approval,

796
01:19:18,160 --> 01:19:21,900
we think we probably need to require a one-year renewal with this.

797
01:19:21,900 --> 01:19:28,980
And the condition that we stipulated would be that they, you know, year from now, need to submit letters from all the adjoining property owners.

798
01:19:29,580 --> 01:19:33,220
And if they could get letters from all the adjoining property owners, they would just go to the board.

799
01:19:33,520 --> 01:19:38,180
The board could see that they have that all the adjacent property owners are okay with it.

800
01:19:38,260 --> 01:19:45,540
And then they could continue moving on for an indefinite time before the board without any kind of public hearing needed.

801
01:19:46,200 --> 01:19:50,540
They could not come up with those letters and then we have to go back through the special use permit process.

802
01:19:51,860 --> 01:19:55,680
that the board has set up for this type of use.

803
01:19:57,020 --> 01:19:58,200
I'm happy to answer any questions.

804
01:19:58,300 --> 01:19:59,840
I know I'm Ms. Williams is here tonight.

805
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:08,800
To talk and give you her account for the property, but if any questions, I'm happy to answer them.

806
01:20:10,110 --> 01:20:10,590
Any questions?

807
01:20:12,270 --> 01:20:14,310
Earl, let me get this straight.

808
01:20:14,710 --> 01:20:19,710
The applicant has no intent on renting out the home beyond September 5th.

809
01:20:19,710 --> 01:20:20,810
That is what her letter is state.

810
01:20:21,230 --> 01:20:26,090
And if the Board of Supervisors were to approve this request, it would be week or two from now.

811
01:20:26,250 --> 01:20:29,070
So we're talking a use permit for a week or two.

812
01:20:29,070 --> 01:20:34,030
Board will end of September, so end of September, so let's say 30 days by time everything

813
01:20:34,030 --> 01:20:41,010
is approved, so that's what we're talking about here, a 30-day permission for this proposal.

814
01:20:41,550 --> 01:20:45,630
Well, by that time, it would have ceased operation, the last of the bookings would have been done.

815
01:20:45,890 --> 01:20:49,570
But there's no guarantee, right? Well, I mean, it's just what she stated in a letter.

816
01:20:50,130 --> 01:20:53,810
Okay, but there's no guarantee if it were to be approved and continue it as is.

817
01:20:53,810 --> 01:21:00,170
Right, if this was gone, if it went to the board, and on September, and the board decided to approve it,

818
01:21:00,210 --> 01:21:02,150
they would have this use on that property.

819
01:21:02,430 --> 01:21:07,590
Second question was, thank you. Second question was, is the applicant does not live in the residence. Correct.

820
01:21:08,290 --> 01:21:13,390
She has been in the hospital and rehabilitation, so she's in another talk. Thank you.

821
01:21:17,210 --> 01:21:24,650
I think there's an online review or something of some guests of this property and

822
01:21:24,650 --> 01:21:28,650
voter review and they said that it's the same time they were running out the upstairs,

823
01:21:28,910 --> 01:21:34,330
there were someone else were running out the downstairs, the basement, that didn't see any

824
01:21:34,330 --> 01:21:38,850
reference to the running out the basement or in the application.

825
01:21:39,910 --> 01:21:46,250
We have, we've received, and my phone conversations with Ms. Williams and Ms. Evans, they said

826
01:21:46,250 --> 01:21:51,330
that they have a young lady that's staying in the bottom of it, but none of their official,

827
01:21:51,770 --> 01:21:54,850
you know, they didn't give us anything official and letter form, I don't think it was just

828
01:21:54,850 --> 01:21:55,610
in conversations.

829
01:21:56,470 --> 01:21:59,870
So I'm not sure exactly how that works, the applicant can probably address that a little bit

830
01:21:59,870 --> 01:22:01,030
better than I could.

831
01:22:03,860 --> 01:22:04,480
Is there any?

832
01:22:05,000 --> 01:22:06,120
A couple questions, sir.

833
01:22:06,220 --> 01:22:06,680
Yes, sir.

834
01:22:07,260 --> 01:22:14,560
One, and some of the letters we've received on this, there's a lot of concern, and I've spent a lot of time thinking about this one over the last month.

835
01:22:15,220 --> 01:22:24,680
But is there any evidence that you can point to that says a tourist home has a higher incidence of crime than any other property or rental property?

836
01:22:25,540 --> 01:22:28,040
not a higher incident of crime, no.

837
01:22:28,200 --> 01:22:31,820
I mean, we have nothing we have any kind of empirical evidence

838
01:22:31,820 --> 01:22:33,080
that we can point to.

839
01:22:33,180 --> 01:22:36,380
No one's ever done the study of vacation rentals

840
01:22:36,380 --> 01:22:39,240
to see if they had a higher crime rate.

841
01:22:39,760 --> 01:22:41,360
And if they were in a single family neighborhood,

842
01:22:41,420 --> 01:22:44,780
how that was applied, I do a good email

843
01:22:44,780 --> 01:22:46,640
that's about that we couldn't find any information

844
01:22:46,640 --> 01:22:47,760
in the shares department.

845
01:22:48,340 --> 01:22:49,020
Thank you.

846
01:22:49,180 --> 01:22:52,080
Another question, and it kind of comes to this

847
01:22:52,080 --> 01:22:53,860
and the one last month that we had,

848
01:22:54,100 --> 01:22:57,140
it was over by the elementary school of that area.

849
01:22:58,360 --> 01:22:59,780
But in this particular application,

850
01:23:00,100 --> 01:23:02,440
we talk about, it's not within walking distance

851
01:23:02,440 --> 01:23:06,120
and there's no historical tourist areas,

852
01:23:06,500 --> 01:23:08,480
right close to the fake people could walk to.

853
01:23:08,880 --> 01:23:12,000
But in that last application, we did not address that at all,

854
01:23:12,000 --> 01:23:12,460
either.

855
01:23:12,680 --> 01:23:16,420
If I remember right, it wasn't within walking distance of anything.

856
01:23:16,980 --> 01:23:21,440
So I'm curious of why the walking piece of this

857
01:23:21,440 --> 01:23:26,400
and distance from tourist attractions is emphasized in this application.

858
01:23:27,300 --> 01:23:31,240
What was emphasized in the last one, we said that, you know, it was within walking distance

859
01:23:31,240 --> 01:23:35,120
of any of those areas either. And that's just basically compared off what's already been

860
01:23:35,120 --> 01:23:40,300
approved, bed and breakfast, and tourist home-wise. All of those applications are, except for

861
01:23:40,300 --> 01:23:44,940
the Bay Tree Beach Manor bed and breakfast, had been near a historical area, whether they're

862
01:23:44,940 --> 01:23:49,680
here in Yorktown or off of the Morehouse Road, which is named in the street. So they are

863
01:23:49,680 --> 01:23:50,860
within walking distance.

864
01:23:51,520 --> 01:23:53,540
And thank you for clarifying that.

865
01:23:53,900 --> 01:23:54,080
Yes, that's right.

866
01:23:54,080 --> 01:23:55,320
I was in the state in last time.

867
01:23:56,200 --> 01:23:59,340
And also, as a condition of running this out as a tourist home,

868
01:24:00,520 --> 01:24:03,040
can I know there was talk about dog-beamless.

869
01:24:03,820 --> 01:24:09,060
Can be no pets be added to the condition of either their agreement

870
01:24:09,060 --> 01:24:12,080
that they had with A, B, and B, or something else,

871
01:24:12,220 --> 01:24:13,980
where there's no pets can be involved,

872
01:24:14,160 --> 01:24:16,280
because that could eliminate that particular issue.

873
01:24:16,780 --> 01:24:24,360
Also, could it be limited to only as a condition going forward that only one family at a time could be in this realm?

874
01:24:25,760 --> 01:24:28,560
You as the planning commission can propose whatever conditions you would like.

875
01:24:28,700 --> 01:24:31,060
I don't think it would just matter of reasonableness.

876
01:24:31,720 --> 01:24:36,640
I mean, I would probably defer to our counter attorney to see if it's reasonable to not allow pets.

877
01:24:37,480 --> 01:24:42,280
And this kind of use, I don't know off the top of my head if that would be unreasonable or not.

878
01:24:43,600 --> 01:24:45,640
But I mean, you as a planning question have the

879
01:24:45,640 --> 01:24:48,860
prerogative to add conditions to the resolution.

880
01:24:49,220 --> 01:24:51,920
And we just make it a revised resolution for you.

881
01:24:51,940 --> 01:24:54,240
If you wanted to put those kinds of conditions on it,

882
01:24:54,340 --> 01:24:57,260
you have that prerogative as the planning question.

883
01:24:57,320 --> 01:24:58,200
You can do that.

884
01:24:58,280 --> 01:24:59,820
You can add whatever you would like.

885
01:25:00,140 --> 01:25:02,020
Okay, thank you. You're welcome.

886
01:25:03,420 --> 01:25:04,300
Excuse me.

887
01:25:05,100 --> 01:25:17,980
Yes, let me ask you this, Earl. It was mentioned in the narrative of an agent acting on behalf of the owner of the property and what the requirement that the owner occupies the premises.

888
01:25:18,680 --> 01:25:20,140
What is the applications, that correct?

889
01:25:21,760 --> 01:25:23,160
That it has to be owner occupied.

890
01:25:23,320 --> 01:25:28,440
In the proposed resolution that we've given you one of the conditions would be that the owner be a resident.

891
01:25:29,660 --> 01:25:38,060
would be able to have the latitude to appoint to have an agent or a representative act on her behalf?

892
01:25:38,360 --> 01:25:47,160
You could just, just that condition to say it could be an operator or a caretaker who lives on the property.

893
01:25:47,640 --> 01:25:51,640
We just want someone to be on the property to maintain that.

894
01:25:51,640 --> 01:26:07,440
Um, you know, with the application we had last month with the Oens is they were living in the home and that was our biggest biggest piece and wanting to recommend it is they had a someone who was going to be there all the time and this application they've made no

895
01:26:08,320 --> 01:26:15,520
statement within the narrative that says that they will actually have someone on site. So we wanted to make sure the conditions of approval if you decided to

896
01:26:15,520 --> 01:26:19,480
adopt the resolution had something in there that would require someone to be on site.

897
01:26:19,480 --> 01:26:27,540
Should the tourist home be incidental to residential use I thought that still had to be the primary use for that because that not apply here?

898
01:26:27,800 --> 01:26:31,360
Well, I mean the tourist home is that would be the principal use.

899
01:26:32,160 --> 01:26:36,440
It's still a single family home has to maintain the looking feel of a single family home.

900
01:26:36,940 --> 01:26:40,260
But the tourist home it would be allowed as a use of the property.

901
01:26:40,420 --> 01:26:41,820
So it just has to have the appearance.

902
01:26:42,460 --> 01:26:44,740
Right, it has to have the appearance of a single family home.

903
01:26:44,960 --> 01:26:46,320
All right, thank you.

904
01:26:46,460 --> 01:26:47,160
I just want some clarification.

905
01:26:47,160 --> 01:26:48,220
I have a problem.

906
01:26:48,640 --> 01:26:49,420
Okay, any further questions?

907
01:26:51,500 --> 01:26:52,040
All right.

908
01:26:52,100 --> 01:26:54,640
Seeing none, we'll open the public room.

909
01:26:54,880 --> 01:27:00,100
We have Katherine Williams as the applicant's representative, and you have 10 minutes

910
01:27:00,100 --> 01:27:01,340
for each stage of your name and address.

911
01:27:01,900 --> 01:27:02,740
Thank you.

912
01:27:03,020 --> 01:27:06,640
My name is Katherine Williams, and I'm at 4428 Eagle Book Drive Williams.

913
01:27:07,820 --> 01:27:08,560
And I will apologize.

914
01:27:09,200 --> 01:27:12,620
Public speaking was the only class I can close to working in high college.

915
01:27:18,820 --> 01:27:28,600
I think the main reason I'm here is because Ms. Evans can't be, she unfortunately did have a medical condition, who has been in the hospital, or rehab for since May.

916
01:27:29,320 --> 01:27:31,120
I'm sorry. Is that better?

917
01:27:31,780 --> 01:27:32,280
Yes.

918
01:27:33,420 --> 01:27:35,500
And she's been in hospital and or rehab.

919
01:27:35,500 --> 01:27:45,780
Congress at rehab and since May 9th so she unfortunately can't be here today so I'm speaking on her behalf and a lot of people are kind of curious about how I even got into the mix of this

920
01:27:46,400 --> 01:27:52,840
I'm actually a life in health insurance broker in case one of my clients she has no family and friends close so we just became friends

921
01:27:52,840 --> 01:27:59,940
and then when she needed some extra help doing things because of her medical condition she just kind of elicited me for help so

922
01:27:59,940 --> 01:28:15,040
When she was doing the renovations to the, well let's go back a minute, the first thing I would like to do is to kind of dispel some of the misconceptions of when the seven spot this house that it was for rental property and an investment reason.

923
01:28:15,340 --> 01:28:17,440
There could be nothing further from the truth of that.

924
01:28:18,080 --> 01:28:22,620
The day she saw this house, we were driving around in a little antique sports car that I inherited from my mother.

925
01:28:22,620 --> 01:28:28,140
Because I've lived in Weems for all my life and I wanted to show it to the Israelis and the dog was blooming at the same time.

926
01:28:28,340 --> 01:28:35,320
She's from the city and so we went, she saw this house, we peaked in the windows, I have a realtor friend who shared with House that she loved it.

927
01:28:35,640 --> 01:28:44,160
She moved to Weemsburg about 10 years ago and has been living in a house that her mother had purchased with her and her mother's since passed away and the house never suited Kate.

928
01:28:44,460 --> 01:28:46,840
Her medical condition needs her to be on one floor.

929
01:28:46,840 --> 01:28:53,360
So she bought this house with the intention and actively did that, pursued selling her house where

930
01:28:53,360 --> 01:28:54,360
she currently resides.

931
01:28:55,440 --> 01:28:59,240
Unfortunately, she lives in Governor's land with dues and fees, and the rental market

932
01:28:59,240 --> 01:29:01,320
is very low in that area.

933
01:29:01,900 --> 01:29:04,220
So after 12 months, she didn't sell her house.

934
01:29:05,060 --> 01:29:07,360
The house in Queens Lake had set vacant.

935
01:29:08,460 --> 01:29:10,740
At that point, she decided to rent her house.

936
01:29:10,740 --> 01:29:13,000
She was desperate to move to the home that she had purchased.

937
01:29:13,500 --> 01:29:19,160
So, she went through a lot of renovations in the homes, some color changes, making the side

938
01:29:19,160 --> 01:29:19,780
box safe.

939
01:29:19,960 --> 01:29:25,280
The front side walk was probably original to the house, was very kiltered off kilter and was

940
01:29:25,280 --> 01:29:28,400
not safe for her to walk on without worrying about tripping.

941
01:29:29,360 --> 01:29:34,900
So that's the biggest premise that I kind of wanted to wait for people who have objected

942
01:29:34,900 --> 01:29:36,840
to her having this as an Airbnb.

943
01:29:37,480 --> 01:29:39,020
It was never as a rental property.

944
01:29:39,020 --> 01:29:43,840
it was to basically recoup some of the funds that she had expended getting the house ready

945
01:29:43,840 --> 01:29:44,980
for her to move into.

946
01:29:47,540 --> 01:29:54,300
The other ten seems to be a problem is the vetting of the people that come in.

947
01:29:54,580 --> 01:29:58,760
Airbnb does have a very stringent vetting process of their own.

948
01:29:58,760 --> 01:29:59,960
I've personally become...

949
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:29,980
Because it's a small community. My brother lives there. I have friends that live there. And we just put things inside the technological part of that. That they can't book a hotel, this hotel, that all, without first, me being able to look at their reviews. If they don't have three wonderful five star reviews, I don't approve them to rent. Someone asked me and said, what if they have one review? And I said, then they don't stay here. We have had nothing but wonderful guests.

950
01:30:30,000 --> 01:30:41,880
They also have a very large deposit that they know they risk losing, if they do not comply with the house rules and leave it in a manner in which we expect them to do so.

951
01:30:42,080 --> 01:30:51,300
So there is a stake if you will for them to honor the house rules, the neighborhood community rules, the house rules for the dogs.

952
01:30:51,520 --> 01:30:53,260
I mean, their house rules, their art animals.

953
01:30:53,260 --> 01:30:56,540
We know that they have addressing your pet situation.

954
01:30:57,280 --> 01:31:07,330
We inquire and require proof that they all have valid license as well as up to date on their shots.

955
01:31:07,910 --> 01:31:14,350
They're only allowed in the front yard and they are required to keep them in the green space as well as pick up their poop.

956
01:31:14,890 --> 01:31:18,910
And the dogs in the backyard that are currently at the home are Kate's animals.

957
01:31:18,910 --> 01:31:24,470
And one that is Kate's Katie's, we've got a Catherine of Kate in the Katie's, I know it gets confusing.

958
01:31:25,210 --> 01:31:30,330
The young woman that does live in the basement, we call it a storage unit to begin with, but it used to be.

959
01:31:30,410 --> 01:31:38,290
Now it we've revised it so Katie could stay there while Kate did rent her house so she had no place to live and nowhere to put her dogs.

960
01:31:38,530 --> 01:31:46,950
So her dogs are now at the home and have been there for about a month with Katie doing invisible fence training with them and she does live on the residents.

961
01:31:47,610 --> 01:31:56,170
Which comes to the other problem that a lot of people have is a crazy party that some of the guests had on one Saturday night.

962
01:31:56,590 --> 01:32:07,570
Unfortunately, Katie, it being 22, made a very, very bad miscarriage of judgment and had a couple of friends over had a couple of beers too many and just made some stupid decisions.

963
01:32:07,570 --> 01:32:15,410
They parked on the neighbor's lawn, they were confronted about that, apparently they were very respectful and compliant, moved everything.

964
01:32:16,070 --> 01:32:21,470
But it was an issue and most people made the natural assumption that it was guests, it was not, it was the tenant.

965
01:32:23,590 --> 01:32:27,510
The cars and increased traffic, I wanted to kind of address that a little bit.

966
01:32:28,010 --> 01:32:33,910
Most people come with one car, some come with two, and then KD does have a car, so most we have found it three cars.

967
01:32:33,910 --> 01:32:38,950
Katie has said that people either leave and go all day or they stay at the house.

968
01:32:39,430 --> 01:32:44,030
Most of the people that are here with us are just like everybody that lives in Queens Lake.

969
01:32:44,830 --> 01:32:49,950
Their parents who fly in, that their kids come from Charlottesville in DC to have a family

970
01:32:49,950 --> 01:32:50,450
reunion.

971
01:32:50,930 --> 01:32:55,570
Their mothers that fly from Iowa because their daughters graduating from William and Mary.

972
01:32:56,770 --> 01:33:01,690
We had one that just had a new baby that lived in Richmond, her parents flew in from New Orleans

973
01:33:01,690 --> 01:33:09,070
to see the new baby. So it's convening of families. The last one we had was five children

974
01:33:09,070 --> 01:33:12,830
who were homeschooled, and it was their summer project to go to Columbia Williamsburg

975
01:33:12,830 --> 01:33:18,610
James Town in Yorktown. They visit our local area. They spend money in our local area,

976
01:33:18,930 --> 01:33:25,370
and I've had every single one of them would have no complaint of any of the guests that we've

977
01:33:25,370 --> 01:33:27,370
stay with us.

978
01:33:29,450 --> 01:33:30,570
theft and break ends.

979
01:33:31,010 --> 01:33:33,610
Um, my personal opinion is, um,

980
01:33:34,010 --> 01:33:35,430
that's kind of a loot, because the language and

981
01:33:35,430 --> 01:33:37,690
stance, land rest to think that just because somebody

982
01:33:37,690 --> 01:33:39,230
doesn't live in your neighborhood, they're going to

983
01:33:39,230 --> 01:33:41,030
steal your property and break into your homes.

984
01:33:41,610 --> 01:33:43,470
Um, one comment was, um,

985
01:33:43,870 --> 01:33:45,270
a young black man in the driveway.

986
01:33:45,450 --> 01:33:48,370
I hope in 2017, I don't need to approach the

987
01:33:49,190 --> 01:33:51,210
reason that happened to be.

988
01:33:51,710 --> 01:33:54,010
Um, some of the guests had talked about the trash bins and

989
01:33:54,010 --> 01:33:59,210
cycles being out in the street. I think a couple times I had been there on Sunday and did

990
01:33:59,210 --> 01:34:03,910
move them out a couple days early, but typically that is not the case. We encourage recycling.

991
01:34:04,550 --> 01:34:09,210
We do have a recycle bin in the house, one outside the garage door, and then we dump it into the bin.

992
01:34:09,850 --> 01:34:17,210
Trash, they don't have much. We buy the smelly ones and we double bag that and throw it out, so I don't

993
01:34:17,210 --> 01:34:22,970
think that the trash has been a smelly option for the neighbors. We do want to address what Earl

994
01:34:22,970 --> 01:34:29,830
It's said about fire extinguishers, there's fire smoke alarms and fire extinguishers on both levels of the home.

995
01:34:36,140 --> 01:34:38,780
Let's see, I made some notes for the traffic.

996
01:34:41,670 --> 01:34:43,710
I think that was all that I had made notes.

997
01:34:43,790 --> 01:34:47,690
What I tried to do is to look at all the complaints that some of the neighbors had,

998
01:34:48,090 --> 01:34:49,330
and try to address those.

999
01:34:49,470 --> 01:34:51,510
I have talked to several neighbors on the phone.

1000
01:34:51,950 --> 01:34:54,670
And again, I think the problems that they have,

1001
01:34:54,670 --> 01:34:59,970
address is all misconceptions, perceptions, and unfortunately they're basing their complaints on.

1002
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:07,180
What basically is a rumor, a perception of something or something they heard from a neighbor, or simply just what they think.

1003
01:35:07,820 --> 01:35:10,980
And most of them, I believe, are not really the case.

1004
01:35:17,710 --> 01:35:23,030
We have any questions for sweeps, Mr. King, sweams,

1005
01:35:25,490 --> 01:35:29,650
your intent or the homeowners' intent is to end this in September 5th.

1006
01:35:29,650 --> 01:35:32,290
Her intent was always to live in this house.

1007
01:35:33,030 --> 01:35:34,830
She, unlike I said, unfortunately, was in the hospital.

1008
01:35:35,890 --> 01:35:37,610
In Christmas, it's time.

1009
01:35:38,310 --> 01:35:40,270
Everybody loves wearing this curtain, Christmas time.

1010
01:35:40,790 --> 01:35:43,890
And somebody had suggested her, why don't you rent your

1011
01:35:43,890 --> 01:35:44,790
your other house?

1012
01:35:45,130 --> 01:35:46,970
Because obviously she had two houses and two more gathers.

1013
01:35:47,250 --> 01:35:49,350
She never planned on carrying two more gathers either.

1014
01:35:49,910 --> 01:35:52,950
Even though she's on a very nice limited income,

1015
01:35:52,950 --> 01:35:55,030
a limited income is still a limited income.

1016
01:35:55,690 --> 01:35:58,370
And she never intended and thought

1017
01:35:58,370 --> 01:35:59,470
with some of the renovations.

1018
01:35:59,470 --> 01:36:04,270
she could recoup some of her money, the neighborhood is beautiful, the house is beautiful and

1019
01:36:04,270 --> 01:36:09,330
everyone is loved it and the reviews were wonderful and so it kind of took off. It was never

1020
01:36:09,330 --> 01:36:14,750
even intended to be accepted through the holidays. When she realized she had a fence for her dogs

1021
01:36:14,750 --> 01:36:18,190
where they were, couldn't rent her house for the seller house, she said, well, why don't we

1022
01:36:18,190 --> 01:36:23,390
air be and be it for a little bit longer? However, the day she found out that she had a three year

1023
01:36:23,390 --> 01:36:29,350
contract on the lease on her house, she's out of there. So even though the Airbnb site you will

1024
01:36:29,350 --> 01:36:34,790
I'll see it online if there's a, I can do the trick, I don't know how to take it down

1025
01:36:34,790 --> 01:36:39,170
on a technological person, I don't know how to take it down and still be able to manage it.

1026
01:36:39,690 --> 01:36:44,690
So you have to stay six days according to the guidelines but I book every single weekend

1027
01:36:44,690 --> 01:36:49,570
I block it off so you fundamentally can't book this space right now and it stopped the

1028
01:36:49,570 --> 01:36:54,430
day she leased her house for three years and that went through September 5th the last person

1029
01:36:54,430 --> 01:36:56,150
is departing on the 5th of September.

1030
01:36:56,150 --> 01:36:59,870
So, how many weeks you have left, rented the class?

1031
01:36:59,870 --> 01:37:02,090
We have, yes, three more guests coming.

1032
01:37:02,570 --> 01:37:03,090
Three more guests.

1033
01:37:03,230 --> 01:37:04,190
You have someone in there today?

1034
01:37:04,550 --> 01:37:04,890
Yes.

1035
01:37:05,510 --> 01:37:05,750
Okay.

1036
01:37:07,860 --> 01:37:08,680
So I'll have this, Chairman.

1037
01:37:08,940 --> 01:37:09,340
Thank you.

1038
01:37:09,700 --> 01:37:09,720
All right.

1039
01:37:10,240 --> 01:37:11,400
Those bills.

1040
01:37:12,220 --> 01:37:12,280
All right.

1041
01:37:13,560 --> 01:37:14,800
A couple of questions if I can.

1042
01:37:14,960 --> 01:37:18,240
I know you addressed most of the questions that you've seen.

1043
01:37:18,940 --> 01:37:22,100
But how about the, I didn't hear you addressed the one from the Queen's

1044
01:37:22,100 --> 01:37:23,500
Lake Community Association.

1045
01:37:23,520 --> 01:37:27,080
I think that's what it is about kayaking on the lake.

1046
01:37:27,940 --> 01:37:30,040
without the owner being present.

1047
01:37:31,360 --> 01:37:36,340
How would you address that and the guests going down to the pool and the

1048
01:37:36,340 --> 01:37:37,780
Well, yes, don't go to the pool.

1049
01:37:38,060 --> 01:37:39,020
They do walk the neighborhood.

1050
01:37:39,200 --> 01:37:40,800
I have told them it's a wonderful neighborhood.

1051
01:37:41,060 --> 01:37:42,140
We don't even walk the house.

1052
01:37:42,240 --> 01:37:44,940
Honestly, sometimes when we're not there and we know guests are coming.

1053
01:37:45,120 --> 01:37:46,360
And I might be running a little late.

1054
01:37:46,580 --> 01:37:48,360
We just leave the door a lot.

1055
01:37:49,560 --> 01:37:50,660
They do kayak.

1056
01:37:51,340 --> 01:37:52,700
I think they are available.

1057
01:37:53,080 --> 01:37:54,000
They're there at the property.

1058
01:37:55,020 --> 01:37:58,340
I've never seen the kids in the lake when I've been there.

1059
01:37:58,340 --> 01:38:00,140
I haven't heard of the kids being in the lake.

1060
01:38:00,380 --> 01:38:01,280
Like I've said, how is your time?

1061
01:38:01,320 --> 01:38:04,120
Because I communicate with these people while they're here also.

1062
01:38:06,560 --> 01:38:09,680
My brother lives in Queens, like my sister takes his kayak all the time.

1063
01:38:09,840 --> 01:38:10,660
He's not home.

1064
01:38:10,800 --> 01:38:15,120
You know, so I guess in my mind, I never thought that was really an issue to be honest.

1065
01:38:16,400 --> 01:38:22,400
I guess you could approach the Queens Lake Community Association and see what you could work out with them.

1066
01:38:22,880 --> 01:38:24,080
Okay, then.

1067
01:38:24,160 --> 01:38:27,640
Secondly, just for general, what's been your occupancy rate since you opened it?

1068
01:38:27,640 --> 01:38:28,360
It's a lot.

1069
01:38:29,220 --> 01:38:32,020
As a matter of fact, my friend helps me flip the house.

1070
01:38:32,860 --> 01:38:33,700
Check out is 11.

1071
01:38:33,920 --> 01:38:34,800
Check in is 3.

1072
01:38:35,080 --> 01:38:36,360
The last three times.

1073
01:38:36,740 --> 01:38:38,800
We've had check out and check in the same day.

1074
01:38:39,320 --> 01:38:43,160
I think between now and end, there's a four day lapse.

1075
01:38:43,880 --> 01:38:46,960
Like a somebody's checking out on Friday and somebody is checking to like the Tuesday.

1076
01:38:49,300 --> 01:38:50,920
But it's a nice house.

1077
01:38:50,920 --> 01:38:57,020
It's serene, it's beautiful, the community is, like I said, people come as a respite, you know,

1078
01:38:57,100 --> 01:39:03,140
everybody talks about the Airbnb isn't close to, you know, tourist and stuff. It's really close,

1079
01:39:03,280 --> 01:39:07,000
as soon as you get out of that funnel of Queens Lake. And that's what people want. They want to

1080
01:39:07,000 --> 01:39:13,140
respite. They want rest. They want to be able to get close to things grocery shopping events. But yet, to be

1081
01:39:13,140 --> 01:39:19,760
able to have family time together. And that's, I would say, 90% probably even more.

1082
01:39:20,640 --> 01:39:24,300
Where it's just been families can be in need together to spend time together.

1083
01:39:24,500 --> 01:39:25,780
Thank you.

1084
01:39:27,780 --> 01:39:28,900
Excuse me.

1085
01:39:29,440 --> 01:39:29,820
Excuse me.

1086
01:39:29,940 --> 01:39:30,580
I had a question.

1087
01:39:30,780 --> 01:39:31,680
It's rather basic.

1088
01:39:36,200 --> 01:39:41,460
Were you aware that a special use permit is required for this operation?

1089
01:39:42,840 --> 01:39:48,940
And when, so it seems like it was an idea that just took off was informal.

1090
01:39:49,780 --> 01:39:57,520
But there had to be some knowledge that the county has some rake, so when was that going to happen?

1091
01:39:57,560 --> 01:39:59,120
Well, I can't address that, I'm sorry.

1092
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:29,980
I'm going to turn you by profession. She hasn't practiced for a while, but that is her legal profession. She looked when somebody suggested it to her, the woman for neighbors and governors land had suggested it, and she looked into the covenants, and she had joined, and they said it's a voluntary community, but she has joined the Queens Lake, so she had the covenants of Queens Lake. She looked in there, and she looked at the law, and she said, and I'm just going by what she told me, is it was based on community approval, and because her covenants didn't

1093
01:40:29,980 --> 01:40:32,100
not say that she could not.

1094
01:40:32,800 --> 01:40:36,860
She may be in a mistake, made the impression or the understanding

1095
01:40:36,860 --> 01:40:39,460
that she could do it, as long as there were no crevents

1096
01:40:39,460 --> 01:40:40,780
that said she could not.

1097
01:40:41,440 --> 01:40:44,740
The letters that Earl sent, the first one that did come,

1098
01:40:44,960 --> 01:40:48,600
Kate was in the hospital, I did go to the post office

1099
01:40:48,600 --> 01:40:51,080
and because I'm not her, I could not receive her mail.

1100
01:40:51,420 --> 01:40:53,740
When I did talk to him, I said, you know, I understand,

1101
01:40:54,100 --> 01:40:55,980
you don't know me from anybody, but you're not

1102
01:40:55,980 --> 01:40:57,900
going to get her to receive your mail if she can't go

1103
01:40:57,900 --> 01:40:58,760
to the post office.

1104
01:40:58,760 --> 01:41:07,440
So he did send me that letter and at that point he sent me the information about the special use permit the requirements to do so, which I file right away.

1105
01:41:09,950 --> 01:41:11,130
All right, well, thank you.

1106
01:41:11,910 --> 01:41:12,470
Any further questions?

1107
01:41:14,130 --> 01:41:14,910
All right, thank you, Miss Weeps.

1108
01:41:16,190 --> 01:41:20,150
Okay, we have the next folks person will be Ron Kirkland.

1109
01:41:21,790 --> 01:41:24,230
You have three minutes and please state your name and address.

1110
01:41:29,640 --> 01:41:31,080
Chairman John, members of the Planning Commission.

1111
01:41:31,140 --> 01:41:31,900
My name is Ron Kirkland.

1112
01:41:31,960 --> 01:41:33,860
I'm the Executive Director of the Williamsburg Hotel.

1113
01:41:33,860 --> 01:41:37,900
of the Motel Association located in 1915 Boccanas Trail.

1114
01:41:39,220 --> 01:41:41,180
I want to start by saying, I think it's pretty outrageous

1115
01:41:41,640 --> 01:41:44,160
that the applicant has illegally operated as property,

1116
01:41:45,040 --> 01:41:46,880
as a tourist home for quite some time,

1117
01:41:47,340 --> 01:41:49,280
and continues to do so as we learn today.

1118
01:41:50,220 --> 01:41:51,920
The manager is basically saying,

1119
01:41:52,640 --> 01:41:54,580
we're going to continue operating this illegally

1120
01:41:55,220 --> 01:41:56,400
until you make it legal.

1121
01:41:57,480 --> 01:41:58,260
That's, wow.

1122
01:41:59,360 --> 01:42:01,960
I would suggest planning commission not even

1123
01:42:01,960 --> 01:42:08,300
consider the special use permit until the illegal operation ceases, and frankly, the county

1124
01:42:08,300 --> 01:42:13,500
should be taking legal action immediately. Then they have to come to you with clean hands

1125
01:42:13,500 --> 01:42:18,020
and request permission. The mixed use development earlier, I mean, could you imagine if they

1126
01:42:18,020 --> 01:42:22,820
just began construction and built an apartment and started occupying it without your permission?

1127
01:42:24,400 --> 01:42:25,980
It would be outrageous.

1128
01:42:29,060 --> 01:42:31,240
This community in question is 100% residential.

1129
01:42:32,040 --> 01:42:34,960
All of the neighbors are single family dwellings.

1130
01:42:35,320 --> 01:42:39,620
There's a reason that the county spends so much of their time and effort planning communities.

1131
01:42:41,600 --> 01:42:45,440
There's a place where bed and breakfast restaurants, hotels, hairstyles, you name it

1132
01:42:45,440 --> 01:42:49,560
business, is appropriate to operate, and this is not that place.

1133
01:42:50,060 --> 01:42:51,620
There's no compelling need.

1134
01:42:51,860 --> 01:42:56,960
Your county has bed and breakfast hotels, time shares, vacation homes, tours, homes, thousands

1135
01:42:56,960 --> 01:42:59,380
of them that are available right now.

1136
01:42:59,700 --> 01:43:05,000
And those are all operating legally and paying taxes, which do we even know if this property

1137
01:43:05,000 --> 01:43:07,080
pays occupancy taxes, sales taxes?

1138
01:43:11,480 --> 01:43:15,800
Even if you've felt this location more appropriate for a B&B type operation, there's no presence

1139
01:43:15,800 --> 01:43:17,460
of an owner, occupant or resident manager.

1140
01:43:18,000 --> 01:43:22,480
This is an absentee owner management company company situation.

1141
01:43:23,380 --> 01:43:26,320
It's not a situation where the retirees are running out through them to supplement their

1142
01:43:26,320 --> 01:43:26,560
income.

1143
01:43:26,620 --> 01:43:28,900
This is a business in the middle of a family neighborhood.

1144
01:43:30,260 --> 01:43:32,600
York County, it's a great place to live.

1145
01:43:33,000 --> 01:43:33,920
It's got great neighborhoods.

1146
01:43:34,540 --> 01:43:38,460
How long is that going to last with management companies illegally running out the basement

1147
01:43:38,460 --> 01:43:44,640
to a semi-permanent resident, the upstairs, who knows, who's coming and going a simple

1148
01:43:44,640 --> 01:43:49,580
Google search will reveal the horror stories of temporary meth lab, six parties,

1149
01:43:49,900 --> 01:43:55,000
prop up brothels, out of control, raves, parking, traffic, is that what we really

1150
01:43:55,000 --> 01:44:00,740
want on a sleepy horse shoe circle, I think not. On behalf of WHO May we would ask you

1151
01:44:00,740 --> 01:44:03,540
to deny this request today and at any point in the future. Thank you.

1152
01:44:03,620 --> 01:44:07,920
Thank you Mr. Clerk. Next, Christian Haskell.

1153
01:44:08,800 --> 01:44:10,420
Hope I've announced that correct. Yes.

1154
01:44:11,640 --> 01:44:15,560
Christian Pascal, want to do a horseshoe drive, Mr. Chairman and the rest of the committee.

1155
01:44:15,820 --> 01:44:18,040
I appreciate your letting me speak my three minutes here.

1156
01:44:18,660 --> 01:44:20,280
I first would like to address two issues.

1157
01:44:20,400 --> 01:44:24,580
We want to security and one is the apparent disingenuous approach that Mrs. Evans has used.

1158
01:44:25,620 --> 01:44:26,580
The first one is security.

1159
01:44:27,860 --> 01:44:29,260
I want to do a horseshoe drive.

1160
01:44:29,440 --> 01:44:33,700
The property across, for myself, I'm informally responsible for taking care of,

1161
01:44:33,780 --> 01:44:36,200
because the owner passed away and his son owns the property.

1162
01:44:36,380 --> 01:44:37,720
His son comes once a year.

1163
01:44:37,720 --> 01:44:42,600
That means that I can secure that property because I know everyone that lives in this neighborhood.

1164
01:44:43,340 --> 01:44:46,860
When you allow an Airbnb, you allow new faces into the community.

1165
01:44:47,520 --> 01:44:52,680
With new faces into the community, I cannot be sure of who really belongs to that who doesn't.

1166
01:44:53,460 --> 01:44:58,300
This is a security issue for me and I believe from my unpleasant neighbor whose house is vacant.

1167
01:44:59,620 --> 01:44:59,960
Next.

1168
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:25,860
So I'd like to address the issue of, you can say there's no statistics on crime, but we've had a many crime. One while party, yes, that's by the person who lives down stairs with that's not, that's not a traditional occupant in our sense of the term, one package missing from a UPS package missing from someone's porch, and a break into a part to a sort of garage. Now that may not be a lot to you, but that's a many crime way for our neighborhood who's not seeing anything like that.

1169
01:45:25,860 --> 01:45:30,860
Queen's Lake is a not-a-gated community, but it is a secure community because the neighbors pay attention.

1170
01:45:32,540 --> 01:45:36,840
The other issue I like to address is, and I want to address the issue of Airbnb vetting.

1171
01:45:36,980 --> 01:45:42,700
I would differ what the speaker before, the lady who represents Mississippi's Evans Airbnb doesn't vet.

1172
01:45:43,100 --> 01:45:45,420
Anyone who stated Airbnb knows that.

1173
01:45:46,560 --> 01:45:49,080
Next, I'd like to address the issue of the disingenuousness.

1174
01:45:49,080 --> 01:45:59,980
If you would take the letter that you received from Mrs. Evans and compare it with the July 2017 report by the last occupant of this property, the last Airbnb and the occupant.

1175
01:46:00,120 --> 01:46:08,280
You would see Mrs. Evans says that the guests have been kind and respectful, appreciative families have gathered and been blessed by the experience.

1176
01:46:08,760 --> 01:46:16,300
The last guest says according to the listing, it is supposed to be uninhabited, but we are notified shortly before our stay that it would be inhabited by someone who would be training dogs.

1177
01:46:16,300 --> 01:46:18,440
I would never recommend running this property.

1178
01:46:18,700 --> 01:46:19,900
We have never had a worse vacation.

1179
01:46:20,500 --> 01:46:22,600
I was suggest you were thinking about what you want to share

1180
01:46:22,600 --> 01:46:25,220
this property with unknown people before running IE,

1181
01:46:25,320 --> 01:46:26,280
the person that lives below.

1182
01:46:27,740 --> 01:46:30,680
Mrs. Evans also says that she wants to take care of

1183
01:46:30,680 --> 01:46:32,500
her beloved animals and that's why she can't move in,

1184
01:46:32,580 --> 01:46:34,320
but there are animals there right now.

1185
01:46:35,200 --> 01:46:37,760
The Airbnb person says that they were never told

1186
01:46:38,600 --> 01:46:40,900
that there was someone living in a house below

1187
01:46:40,900 --> 01:46:45,200
and that there was no protection between the apartment below

1188
01:46:45,200 --> 01:46:47,300
and their property, which is why they left early.

1189
01:46:48,120 --> 01:46:53,180
Again, disingenuousness with Airbnb, disingenuousness with a guest, disingenuousness with a community.

1190
01:46:53,800 --> 01:46:56,140
No one was told in the community that they were moving in here.

1191
01:46:56,880 --> 01:47:03,160
The first time I was aware of it was when someone told me that people were using Queens Lake association property without authorization.

1192
01:47:04,480 --> 01:47:07,120
I live on the street. I was never told anything about this.

1193
01:47:07,620 --> 01:47:10,740
Disingenuous, I believe disingenuousness with this commission.

1194
01:47:12,220 --> 01:47:19,740
Therefore, I have no resolve, but to last statement to say that there is no guarantee.

1195
01:47:20,020 --> 01:47:20,680
Thank you, Mr. President.

1196
01:47:20,680 --> 01:47:22,760
There is no guarantee that you will leave.

1197
01:47:23,240 --> 01:47:24,360
Stop writing for every week.

1198
01:47:26,280 --> 01:47:28,940
Diane Howell, it's the next signee to speak.

1199
01:47:33,410 --> 01:47:34,490
Please state your name and address.

1200
01:47:34,690 --> 01:47:35,370
You have three minutes.

1201
01:47:40,060 --> 01:47:41,080
Good evening, gentlemen.

1202
01:47:41,460 --> 01:47:42,500
Thank you for this time.

1203
01:47:42,560 --> 01:47:46,540
I'm Diane Howell and my husband and I have lived on horseshoe for 15 years.

1204
01:47:47,340 --> 01:47:52,500
Earlier this year, we began to notice multiple cars frequently unloading at 125 horseshoe

1205
01:47:52,500 --> 01:47:55,800
and numerous unfamiliar people walking in front of our own home.

1206
01:47:56,420 --> 01:47:58,780
Initially, we thought the new owner had moved in, perhaps.

1207
01:47:59,380 --> 01:48:03,740
She had lots of out-of-town visitors, but different groups kept arriving in the trash cans

1208
01:48:03,740 --> 01:48:05,600
kept staying on the streets for days.

1209
01:48:06,320 --> 01:48:10,000
Then through neighbors and in online search, we learned the home was being operated as an

1210
01:48:10,000 --> 01:48:11,460
Airbnb short-term rental.

1211
01:48:12,520 --> 01:48:19,740
Our primary concern is potential risk to our neighbors and the children in the neighborhood with so many unfamiliar transients coming and going.

1212
01:48:20,580 --> 01:48:23,200
There's no way of knowing who is staying on this property.

1213
01:48:23,800 --> 01:48:29,420
We've already had to deal with an all-night party increased traffic on our narrow streets and unleashed pets.

1214
01:48:30,160 --> 01:48:38,980
Since December we basically had an absentee neighbor who was turned to her home into a mini hotel with transients running the property for just a few days at a time.

1215
01:48:38,980 --> 01:48:43,380
The under's been difficult to locate as the planning staff learned for themselves.

1216
01:48:44,280 --> 01:48:49,000
Leaving neighbors no options beyond a call to law enforcement or animal control to resolve

1217
01:48:49,000 --> 01:48:49,580
problems.

1218
01:48:50,780 --> 01:48:54,400
Not only are we concerned about safety and security, but we're concerned about the impact

1219
01:48:54,400 --> 01:48:57,240
that short-term rentals can have to our property values.

1220
01:48:58,220 --> 01:49:03,400
According to a recent National Realtors Association publication, a single family home or condo

1221
01:49:03,400 --> 01:49:08,720
unit, next door to a short-term rental will take longer to sell and bring in lower

1222
01:49:08,720 --> 01:49:13,840
offers. You never know who your neighbors could be, and that's a classic situation, a property

1223
01:49:13,840 --> 01:49:20,120
stigma, unquote. A residential is on property should be just that, purchasing a home in such

1224
01:49:20,120 --> 01:49:24,760
a neighborhood and turning it into a short-term rental negatively impacts the safety security

1225
01:49:24,760 --> 01:49:30,500
real estate values and the very fabric of our community. While there is substantial financial

1226
01:49:30,500 --> 01:49:36,120
gain for these short-term rental owners, what about the impact to my community? When do the rights

1227
01:49:36,120 --> 01:49:40,460
the neighbors who work for years to buy the American dream, a home and a lovely community,

1228
01:49:40,880 --> 01:49:46,580
get considered. Why should the entire neighborhood suffer so one homeowner can make a profit on

1229
01:49:46,580 --> 01:49:51,820
what the community has built and in doing so tear down the very fabric of what made it such a beautiful

1230
01:49:51,820 --> 01:49:58,000
community to begin with. The business plan for Airbnb and short-term rentals has nothing to do with

1231
01:49:58,000 --> 01:49:59,960
in these neighbors, it's about $1.

1232
01:50:01,100 --> 01:50:14,480
But the neighbors are left to deal with the issues. When my husband retired from the military, we considered coastal property, but didn't want to live around the short-term rentals. We wanted a home where we could establish friendships and get to know our neighbors.

1233
01:50:15,620 --> 01:50:20,000
How does a homeowner have any confidence in the zoning for the neighborhood they want to live in?

1234
01:50:20,600 --> 01:50:29,420
Shouldn't a person who buys and an established residently zone community have the right to expect it to be a neighborhood and not a zone of many hotels?

1235
01:50:31,160 --> 01:50:37,980
The profit motives of these short-term rental companies that owners should not be allowed to diminish our home values are peace of mind in our safety.

1236
01:50:38,580 --> 01:50:43,120
I am urging you to please deny this permit and protect the zoning of Queens Lake.

1237
01:50:43,120 --> 01:50:50,520
Your decision will establish precedent and send a message to others in Queens Lake who may also be considering a permanent application.

1238
01:50:50,800 --> 01:50:52,080
Thank you.

1239
01:50:52,120 --> 01:50:53,600
Thank you.

1240
01:50:53,640 --> 01:50:55,640
The next speaker is Milton Holt.

1241
01:51:00,310 --> 01:51:07,370
I'm Milton Holt, a little bone point laurel place, which, as you saw in the map, is Connector.

1242
01:51:07,370 --> 01:51:19,010
If you drive, there have been a lot of arguments, I think, against why we should not have a tourist rental in Queens Lake.

1243
01:51:20,490 --> 01:51:25,870
My argument is that I do not believe that this is a reasonable use of property.

1244
01:51:26,030 --> 01:51:33,070
I think property owners have the right to enjoy their property in a way that they wish to,

1245
01:51:33,070 --> 01:51:39,210
But I think it has to be reasonable associated with the community in which the property is.

1246
01:51:39,670 --> 01:51:51,490
As many have mentioned, Queen's Lake is a more single-family community.

1247
01:51:52,490 --> 01:51:55,530
And by that, of course, I mean families.

1248
01:51:55,530 --> 01:52:03,030
And with it, on horseshoe drive itself, there are at least three families that have young children.

1249
01:52:03,990 --> 01:52:13,430
And I think that, for this kind of use of the property, in that kind of environment,

1250
01:52:13,770 --> 01:52:14,990
is just not reasonable.

1251
01:52:15,630 --> 01:52:21,390
So I appreciate everybody who listened to on the telephone to our arguments,

1252
01:52:21,390 --> 01:52:26,150
and read the letters that we sent.

1253
01:52:26,850 --> 01:52:32,070
And I would urge you not to approve this proposal.

1254
01:52:32,530 --> 01:52:33,370
Thank you very much.

1255
01:52:33,710 --> 01:52:35,410
Thank you Mr. Holt.

1256
01:52:36,130 --> 01:52:38,670
On the next speaker, sign is Francis Holt.

1257
01:52:47,070 --> 01:52:50,890
I'm Francis Holt, and I live on point laurel place

1258
01:52:50,890 --> 01:52:51,610
with my husband.

1259
01:52:51,830 --> 01:52:54,370
We own two homes on point laurel place.

1260
01:52:54,810 --> 01:52:56,310
Our daughter lives in one.

1261
01:52:56,310 --> 01:53:06,470
You have our letter in which we have expressed our opposition to the tourist home special permit application.

1262
01:53:07,090 --> 01:53:14,090
Whereas we have great empathy with Ms. Evans relative to her medical problems.

1263
01:53:16,150 --> 01:53:23,050
And we understand the rights of a property owner to use and enjoy their property.

1264
01:53:23,050 --> 01:53:33,010
And we also have great concerns about the exercise of the individual rights within the context

1265
01:53:33,370 --> 01:53:35,750
of the community's rights.

1266
01:53:37,150 --> 01:53:40,850
We've lived in Queens Lake for 44 years.

1267
01:53:41,530 --> 01:53:45,710
We're probably the oldest homeowner's to speak tonight.

1268
01:53:47,190 --> 01:53:50,770
We love Queens Lake, we love your county.

1269
01:53:50,770 --> 01:53:58,010
We see many reasons why you should not advocate this proposal.

1270
01:53:59,230 --> 01:54:04,610
They're detailed in our letter, but let me please just summarize them briefly for you.

1271
01:54:05,030 --> 01:54:13,530
First of all, we think this special use permit would be an utterly drastic misuse

1272
01:54:14,050 --> 01:54:15,990
of property in our community.

1273
01:54:16,970 --> 01:54:22,090
We live on a very quiet and beautiful place.

1274
01:54:23,610 --> 01:54:26,550
We have children in the streets.

1275
01:54:27,550 --> 01:54:30,070
We have neighbors walking at night.

1276
01:54:31,510 --> 01:54:37,550
This summer, we have been a part of the number of groups of people walking our streets.

1277
01:54:38,550 --> 01:54:45,430
We do not know these people, and we do not see familiar faces accompanying them.

1278
01:54:45,430 --> 01:54:51,050
And thus, we assume that they are, guess, at the Airbnb.

1279
01:54:52,510 --> 01:54:53,890
We're concerned about safety.

1280
01:54:54,750 --> 01:54:58,350
Some of our neighbors have talked about our recent crime wave.

1281
01:54:59,130 --> 01:54:59,970
This is of great concern.

1282
01:55:01,620 --> 01:55:16,720
We're concerned about amenities. We're an old neighborhood. We were originated in the 50s and built out in the 60s and 70s, 80s, 90s, some new homes even being built today.

1283
01:55:16,720 --> 01:55:23,420
We don't have strict governance or a very strict homeroose association.

1284
01:55:23,880 --> 01:55:31,760
Mezz Evans as a lawyer saw a loophole and took advantage of it, denying this long tradition

1285
01:55:32,220 --> 01:55:34,960
of single family residences.

1286
01:55:35,300 --> 01:55:41,460
In many cases, we have grandparents, dealing to grandchildren, quince-like property.

1287
01:55:41,460 --> 01:55:46,260
So it's a multi-generational quality of life situation.

1288
01:55:47,200 --> 01:55:54,620
We ask you respectfully, do not recommend approval of this special use permit.

1289
01:55:55,500 --> 01:55:56,620
Thank you.

1290
01:55:56,620 --> 01:55:58,320
Thank you for your time comments.

1291
01:55:59,020 --> 01:56:01,900
Next speaker is Nessir Hallio.

1292
01:56:02,160 --> 01:56:03,100
I got to have this.

1293
01:56:10,400 --> 01:56:11,980
Nessim Hallio.

1294
01:56:12,440 --> 01:56:12,720
I'm sorry.

1295
01:56:13,760 --> 01:56:17,720
I live on 127 horse shoe drive.

1296
01:56:17,720 --> 01:56:22,720
which is adjacent to the property in question.

1297
01:56:25,260 --> 01:56:30,000
I am the one probably that Mr. Anderson mentioned,

1298
01:56:30,540 --> 01:56:35,200
who complained first when I realized when I saw

1299
01:56:35,200 --> 01:56:39,940
the advertisement on Airbnb on my phone.

1300
01:56:41,160 --> 01:56:44,020
Now, I've stayed at Airbnb's myself.

1301
01:56:44,020 --> 01:56:52,440
I'm not aware of any kind of vetting that Airbnb does, as long as you pay and give them a credit card.

1302
01:56:53,920 --> 01:56:58,520
You can stay wherever you are.

1303
01:56:59,500 --> 01:57:06,240
Now, the point is that I've lived in Queens Lake for 40 years. This is my 40th year.

1304
01:57:08,040 --> 01:57:18,360
I've raised three children in Queens Lake, they run in the streets, they play, they go to

1305
01:57:18,360 --> 01:57:27,140
the pool, parents do not worry about their safety because it's a community of families

1306
01:57:27,140 --> 01:57:36,220
and most of the families know each other and the kids have their friends play with each other

1307
01:57:37,460 --> 01:57:42,900
It's a Queen's Lake, it's a bird sanctuary, you can see deer,

1308
01:57:43,100 --> 01:57:46,100
you do, it's a very special community.

1309
01:57:47,920 --> 01:57:51,240
It's a family residential community.

1310
01:57:53,000 --> 01:57:57,160
Doing, having an Airbnb, a short-term rental, short-term

1311
01:57:57,160 --> 01:58:04,820
is what I want to stress, is inconsistent with what

1312
01:58:04,820 --> 01:58:09,780
Queen's Lake is, it would change the whole character of Queen's Lake.

1313
01:58:11,320 --> 01:58:15,980
And of course, reduced property values, which supports schools,

1314
01:58:17,100 --> 01:58:19,540
which support a lot of things.

1315
01:58:21,160 --> 01:58:28,860
Now, since for so many months, this has been rented as an Airbnb.

1316
01:58:28,860 --> 01:58:33,400
And nobody came to me and talked to me.

1317
01:58:33,440 --> 01:58:34,720
I live next door.

1318
01:58:35,540 --> 01:58:39,320
I see everybody who comes every few days.

1319
01:58:39,640 --> 01:58:41,640
Number of people come stay.

1320
01:58:41,900 --> 01:58:42,860
They leave.

1321
01:58:43,400 --> 01:58:48,660
Somebody comes to clean sometimes more than one person

1322
01:58:48,660 --> 01:58:54,940
cleaning than a new arrival comes and someone.

1323
01:58:54,940 --> 01:58:58,780
And we don't know who they are at all.

1324
01:58:59,940 --> 01:59:05,140
I've lost a package has disappeared from my porch.

1325
01:59:05,740 --> 01:59:08,940
And I don't know what happened to it.

1326
01:59:09,280 --> 01:59:11,700
But it's the first time that that has happened.

1327
01:59:14,720 --> 01:59:24,820
So I just please don't let Queen's like change.

1328
01:59:24,940 --> 01:59:28,060
Thank you. Thank you.

1329
01:59:28,280 --> 01:59:32,390
On the next speaker is Brooks.

1330
01:59:35,530 --> 01:59:36,930
I do commissioner.

1331
01:59:38,450 --> 01:59:39,710
My name is Tom Brooks.

1332
01:59:39,970 --> 01:59:41,630
I live at 109 Little John Road.

1333
01:59:42,410 --> 01:59:44,310
I serve on the Queens Lake Community Association Board

1334
01:59:44,310 --> 01:59:46,490
on the Vice President Community Affairs Director.

1335
01:59:46,810 --> 01:59:47,850
I'm also a resident of the neighborhood.

1336
01:59:48,970 --> 01:59:49,950
I love Queens Lake.

1337
01:59:51,310 --> 01:59:53,850
I think from all the feedback I've received

1338
01:59:53,850 --> 01:59:55,230
and from what I keep hearing tonight,

1339
01:59:56,210 --> 01:59:58,010
I think it's important not to conflate

1340
01:59:58,010 --> 01:59:59,950
these UBRB and B's with this part

1341
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:29,980
A particular situation, we're not going to solve. It's pretty obvious to me by the amount of concern that our county is not either made available in obvious to us or lacks easy guidance for someone to even understand, as we sit here and go, what's the relevance of it being closest to our site? Somebody living there or not. What would be the percentage of them that we'd accept in a neighborhood that zone one way or another? It could all of them be, you know, it's not.

1342
02:00:30,000 --> 02:00:35,200
It seems like we're lacking almost a flowchart of what's the appropriate way just to address

1343
02:00:35,200 --> 02:00:36,260
Airbnb's in general.

1344
02:00:36,860 --> 02:00:41,080
And I could see that that's where you get a lot of people going, is this right, is this

1345
02:00:41,080 --> 02:00:45,480
wrong and it's kind of confusing and someone saying, I go on this website, they say,

1346
02:00:45,580 --> 02:00:48,640
wait, my house, great, I'm not going to be destitute now.

1347
02:00:48,900 --> 02:00:50,900
And it seems pretty reasonable to do so.

1348
02:00:51,600 --> 02:00:57,600
So I think we have some issues with Airbnb to look at and just to concept like it and sharing

1349
02:00:57,600 --> 02:01:03,180
economy because frankly, I'd rather not stay in a dingy motel in New Yorktown. I'd rather

1350
02:01:03,180 --> 02:01:07,120
be in someone's beautiful home, cooking in a quiet kitchen, not having someone running

1351
02:01:07,120 --> 02:01:13,580
down the hallways. So I think our sharing economy is leading to some questions we have

1352
02:01:13,580 --> 02:01:19,360
to answer that obviously aren't being done very well. As far as a particular case in hand,

1353
02:01:19,580 --> 02:01:24,780
I'm not sure they're actually technically asking for a permit considering that the permit

1354
02:01:24,780 --> 02:01:28,240
I can't be approved until the intended use of the properties complete.

1355
02:01:28,900 --> 02:01:33,420
I don't know, so maybe it's more a matter of mitigating the violations that have occurred,

1356
02:01:34,220 --> 02:01:36,920
and just trying to be compliant after an honest mistake was made.

1357
02:01:36,960 --> 02:01:38,560
I don't want to impure anyone's motives.

1358
02:01:39,260 --> 02:01:41,400
There's going to be a day when I look forward to meeting Mrs. Evans

1359
02:01:41,400 --> 02:01:43,700
and welcoming her to a neighborhood I love.

1360
02:01:44,900 --> 02:01:48,780
So I don't know why you would approve it simply because the usage

1361
02:01:49,440 --> 02:01:52,900
as stated in the application will be complete by the time you could.

1362
02:01:53,680 --> 02:01:59,640
I mean, that seemed like it's almost not even an actual request, but more of a let's let this go, it was a mistake.

1363
02:02:01,460 --> 02:02:03,500
Otherwise the application isn't honest, right?

1364
02:02:04,100 --> 02:02:05,640
I'm going to be done using it by then.

1365
02:02:06,160 --> 02:02:08,080
You're not going to approve the application to later.

1366
02:02:09,720 --> 02:02:17,000
I'm not sure why you had to prove it, but that doesn't mean this person that we should be sitting here guessing after her motives and intentions.

1367
02:02:17,700 --> 02:02:26,640
And I am sad and as a resident, honestly, by a lot of the complaints I've had, I am not entitled to know who's visiting my neighbor's house.

1368
02:02:27,560 --> 02:02:32,040
My son has been nearly run off the road while skateboarding in our quiet little street.

1369
02:02:32,460 --> 02:02:40,400
By several long-term residence of our neighborhood and often yelled at when he politely exits into our frontage and waves and says, I'm sorry.

1370
02:02:41,100 --> 02:02:43,540
We're not entitled to know everyone around our neighborhood.

1371
02:02:43,540 --> 02:02:48,800
And so I just hope we don't conflate Airbnb's with this particular case, it's two separate issues.

1372
02:02:49,340 --> 02:02:49,660
Thank you.

1373
02:02:49,660 --> 02:02:50,660
Thank you, Mr. Brooks.

1374
02:02:51,960 --> 02:02:52,860
Mark Sowers.

1375
02:03:09,020 --> 02:03:09,260
Dean.

1376
02:03:10,260 --> 02:03:11,480
I'm Mark Sowers.

1377
02:03:11,940 --> 02:03:14,400
We live at 122 horseshoe drive.

1378
02:03:14,740 --> 02:03:15,700
Thank you.

1379
02:03:16,540 --> 02:03:22,640
I'm here to ask the board not to approve Airbnb's in Queens Lake at all.

1380
02:03:24,880 --> 02:03:25,420
We are neighborhood.

1381
02:03:26,160 --> 02:03:27,920
We're not a mixed use community.

1382
02:03:27,920 --> 02:03:36,220
You're carrying, we belong in a colonial area and right now we're going through, we're

1383
02:03:36,220 --> 02:03:44,540
looking at revenue, colonial foundation is asking for ways to make money and light

1384
02:03:44,540 --> 02:03:56,040
Mr. Kirkland just talked about, how eloquent the York County has given hotels and

1385
02:03:56,040 --> 02:04:04,320
motels in our area to accommodate individuals who want to come and be part of cloning

1386
02:04:04,320 --> 02:04:05,400
Williamsburg,

1387
02:04:10,190 --> 02:04:17,090
the revenue that was lost is almost calculated $20,000 for a very

1388
02:04:17,090 --> 02:04:27,540
conservative estimate. They've rented this property since December at $105.00.00.00.

1389
02:04:27,540 --> 02:04:31,560
And you calculate it for just three nights a week.

1390
02:04:33,890 --> 02:04:36,630
It's more than 20,000. Where is that money?

1391
02:04:37,650 --> 02:04:47,290
Is she going to claim it? Should she have gone in and made a business LLC and gone through

1392
02:04:47,290 --> 02:04:49,270
the proper channels,

1393
02:04:51,780 --> 02:04:57,660
we've owned three businesses at 122, and we know we cannot have individuals

1394
02:04:57,660 --> 02:04:59,960
come to our home and do intractor.

1395
02:05:00,000 --> 02:05:01,120
Sign as that in business.

1396
02:05:03,480 --> 02:05:07,320
We've seen so much traffic come through.

1397
02:05:09,450 --> 02:05:11,030
The quietness of our neighborhood

1398
02:05:11,030 --> 02:05:21,030
has been skewed. And we've seen just an increase of individuals coming and going.

1399
02:05:26,980 --> 02:05:27,580
As a general

1400
02:05:28,800 --> 02:05:34,580
I'm looking at as a macroe-looking at Dork County as a whole.

1401
02:05:36,540 --> 02:05:42,940
Airbnb should be designated not in neighborhoods that are established.

1402
02:05:43,740 --> 02:05:49,840
Don't welcome a business to come into a neighborhood and destroy the entity that we have come in.

1403
02:05:49,880 --> 02:05:53,740
We've lived there 14 years and we like the quietness.

1404
02:05:53,740 --> 02:06:00,800
We like knowing the individuals who walk the straits, just like they were talking about, that

1405
02:06:00,800 --> 02:06:06,720
we know our neighbors, we don't know who's across the street, we've witnessed so many

1406
02:06:06,720 --> 02:06:08,160
individuals coming and going.

1407
02:06:12,640 --> 02:06:16,440
They've operated this business to Airbnb legally for seven months.

1408
02:06:17,240 --> 02:06:18,220
Thank you, sir.

1409
02:06:18,840 --> 02:06:18,960
Okay.

1410
02:06:19,640 --> 02:06:21,880
Next week is Elliott Sauer's,

1411
02:06:24,880 --> 02:06:27,840
the stage of the name of the dress, we have to read this.

1412
02:06:35,540 --> 02:06:48,600
I think we've lost that security when we have brought in Airbnb or tourist and whatever you want to call it.

1413
02:06:49,020 --> 02:06:58,500
Other day I went to visit my grandparents and I had a new tire sitting in the back of my truck and I had to move those out of the back of my truck just to feel comfortable.

1414
02:07:00,160 --> 02:07:09,220
I understand that you know maybe people are screened but just like she said one person

1415
02:07:09,220 --> 02:07:15,000
just made one long steak and that one long steak if somebody stole my tires could have

1416
02:07:15,000 --> 02:07:23,880
been $300 out of my pocket and you know Queens Lake is a community I'm looking around

1417
02:07:23,880 --> 02:07:29,440
And I see adults who I really look up to, Mr. Alberts here.

1418
02:07:29,440 --> 02:07:35,100
I'll play with his son, football, basketball, baseball, whatever it is.

1419
02:07:35,240 --> 02:07:39,820
We have friends and we really just enjoyed this community.

1420
02:07:39,960 --> 02:07:45,820
And I think by bringing in an Airbnb and having all these people here coming through the neighborhood,

1421
02:07:45,940 --> 02:07:51,480
we lose just this sense of community and we really cannot trust each other anymore.

1422
02:07:51,480 --> 02:07:59,600
And I'm going to try to get y'all out of here before night to fall, so I'll leave that at that.

1423
02:07:59,940 --> 02:08:01,480
Thank you. Thank you. Well spoken.

1424
02:08:02,900 --> 02:08:04,180
All right, next speaker.

1425
02:08:06,500 --> 02:08:07,640
Rich, let's see, Richard.

1426
02:08:09,760 --> 02:08:10,280
Toat.

1427
02:08:10,880 --> 02:08:11,500
Did I get it right?

1428
02:08:12,240 --> 02:08:12,760
Close.

1429
02:08:13,740 --> 02:08:17,900
My name is Richard Toat. I live at 241 East Queen's Drive.

1430
02:08:17,900 --> 02:08:24,080
We moved Queens Lake four years ago, bought one of the last lots and built a nice home.

1431
02:08:24,720 --> 02:08:29,440
It's our retirement home, spent so much money on it, I can't recoup the cost if I move

1432
02:08:29,440 --> 02:08:29,880
out.

1433
02:08:30,580 --> 02:08:38,820
If I had known this neighborhood had the remotest possibility of having Airbnb and short-term

1434
02:08:38,820 --> 02:08:41,820
rentals, I would have never moved into York County.

1435
02:08:44,980 --> 02:08:47,980
I commiserate with her illness, and I hope she recovers.

1436
02:08:47,980 --> 02:08:52,000
I hope she can move in the Queens Lake and enjoy the community and have good friends.

1437
02:08:52,740 --> 02:08:55,000
But this is not a good idea.

1438
02:08:55,960 --> 02:08:59,920
It's somebody used the word mini hotel, that's what it is.

1439
02:09:00,060 --> 02:09:03,720
It's a business and this is not the residential community.

1440
02:09:05,280 --> 02:09:12,340
If you grant one, others will follow and the community will be on a slippery slope, let alone

1441
02:09:12,340 --> 02:09:15,740
the county and all the other neighborhoods because you'll set precedents.

1442
02:09:15,740 --> 02:09:21,120
you stopped it in 2015 and encouraged you to stop it now and stop it forever.

1443
02:09:22,820 --> 02:09:27,320
It's a quiet community. There's not even any street lights in this community.

1444
02:09:28,880 --> 02:09:34,200
It's one thing to have a long-term rental. There's even provisions in the bylaws for long-term rentals.

1445
02:09:34,320 --> 02:09:38,720
Folks like that fit in because their family types and things like that and we get to know them.

1446
02:09:39,520 --> 02:09:42,780
These numbers won't be exact because I don't know the exact numbers.

1447
02:09:42,780 --> 02:09:49,000
there are about 550 properties, about 450 of them pay dues to the community association.

1448
02:09:49,540 --> 02:09:57,500
And of that 450, well over 330 to 350, are dated and have to pay dues and perpetuity,

1449
02:09:57,540 --> 02:09:58,920
no matter who owns the property.

1450
02:09:59,640 --> 02:09:59,960
So this is...

1451
02:10:00,000 --> 02:10:10,320
Association, while it's loosely run and has words and imperfections, is not something that can go away without changing the deeds.

1452
02:10:11,240 --> 02:10:14,320
So, it's not a fly by night club, okay.

1453
02:10:16,500 --> 02:10:25,620
The lake, in the bylaws, only deeded only do's paying shareholder property owners can use that lake.

1454
02:10:25,620 --> 02:10:30,880
I like that because I pay my dues and I get to go fishing on a great private lake.

1455
02:10:32,600 --> 02:10:40,040
If people use the lake as guests, the member has to be with the guests, that's in the

1456
02:10:40,040 --> 02:10:40,580
by-laws.

1457
02:10:41,920 --> 02:10:46,720
To have people come in and pick up the kayaks and use the lake as against the by-laws and

1458
02:10:46,720 --> 02:10:51,380
the shareholders, the ones that own the community property, which is that lake, they

1459
02:10:51,380 --> 02:10:54,440
should not be on it, people should not fish on it,

1460
02:10:55,020 --> 02:10:57,900
and without being guests of shareholders,

1461
02:10:58,300 --> 02:10:58,880
with the shareholders.

1462
02:11:02,450 --> 02:11:04,630
I urge you to vote no on this.

1463
02:11:05,270 --> 02:11:08,770
It's just not right, and people like me

1464
02:11:08,770 --> 02:11:10,590
might not come to live here.

1465
02:11:10,710 --> 02:11:11,690
Thank you very much.

1466
02:11:12,150 --> 02:11:12,670
Thank you so much.

1467
02:11:14,110 --> 02:11:17,490
Our next speaker is Jeff Otterstein.

1468
02:11:23,650 --> 02:11:26,210
Jeff Otterstein, 142 horseshoe drive,

1469
02:11:26,210 --> 02:11:33,790
The six homes away from the proposed special use permit, Chairman and members of the Commission,

1470
02:11:34,390 --> 02:11:38,870
are your due to vote and deny the applicant for the special use.

1471
02:11:39,610 --> 02:11:44,870
By the owner's own admission, they wrote quiet setting, family feel and apparent safety of the

1472
02:11:44,870 --> 02:11:51,030
community. Those things and attributes really reflect what it is, the residential community, the existing

1473
02:11:51,030 --> 02:11:53,630
are our designation for zoning.

1474
02:11:54,390 --> 02:11:57,530
But of course, this commission and the Board of Supervisors

1475
02:11:57,530 --> 02:12:01,790
has to deal with what the Commonwealth approved SB 1578,

1476
02:12:02,330 --> 02:12:06,390
that which says that the jurisdiction or the decision making

1477
02:12:06,390 --> 02:12:10,130
of allowing short-term rentals is put down to the local level.

1478
02:12:10,850 --> 02:12:13,270
So in therefore case by case basis, it appears

1479
02:12:13,270 --> 02:12:17,330
that this is the form that needs to be utilized.

1480
02:12:17,330 --> 02:12:26,230
We, as residential owners, that is SB 1578's was enacted in the launch of life first.

1481
02:12:26,610 --> 02:12:27,550
That's on the books.

1482
02:12:28,150 --> 02:12:28,850
That's done with.

1483
02:12:28,950 --> 02:12:32,530
So therefore, case by case scenarios will have to be addressed.

1484
02:12:33,190 --> 02:12:38,010
And we as homeowners will be brought up to these commissions repeatedly into this.

1485
02:12:38,750 --> 02:12:39,630
Talk about some statistics.

1486
02:12:39,910 --> 02:12:41,510
There's 24 children on horseshoe drive.

1487
02:12:41,670 --> 02:12:44,670
I am a parent of a very young child.

1488
02:12:44,670 --> 02:12:50,390
If you go another 100 yards, a link to the football field that number doubles, if you take

1489
02:12:50,390 --> 02:12:55,690
that five times the number again, or 24 children, just on horseshoe drive, point

1490
02:12:55,690 --> 02:12:59,490
lower and hunter, the number increases by fold.

1491
02:13:00,370 --> 02:13:01,730
So there's a lot of children in the neighborhood.

1492
02:13:02,590 --> 02:13:06,350
I, as a homeowner and resident, I want to know who's coming and going in my neighborhood

1493
02:13:06,350 --> 02:13:07,670
for lots of reasons.

1494
02:13:09,210 --> 02:13:16,790
This particular special use permit doesn't allow me any comfort or satisfaction of knowing

1495
02:13:16,790 --> 02:13:17,950
who's coming and going.

1496
02:13:20,500 --> 02:13:25,700
And I'm also confused why there is a cease and desist by the commission, excuse me,

1497
02:13:26,620 --> 02:13:31,020
by the county, but yet we heard today that there are still rentals and rentals that are

1498
02:13:31,020 --> 02:13:35,440
going to be occurring up into the point of maybe potential move-in time.

1499
02:13:35,440 --> 02:13:46,540
I'm really concerned with the the real intent there and also you found your county found out first

1500
02:13:46,540 --> 02:13:54,920
notice one out not claim second notice one out not claimed what do you think is going to happen if we I don't I can go in a scenario

1501
02:13:54,920 --> 02:13:58,280
out where we as a homeowner

1502
02:13:59,360 --> 02:14:01,440
we recommend you vote no thank you

1503
02:14:01,440 --> 02:14:02,840
Thank you.

1504
02:14:02,980 --> 02:14:04,080
All right.

1505
02:14:04,880 --> 02:14:07,460
That's the last person I have signed up to speak to this application.

1506
02:14:07,660 --> 02:14:10,120
If there is anyone else who is wishing to speak to this issue,

1507
02:14:10,680 --> 02:14:12,660
please state your name and address and come forward.

1508
02:14:12,760 --> 02:14:13,580
You have three minutes.

1509
02:14:16,220 --> 02:14:17,880
Thank you for allowing me to speak to the board.

1510
02:14:18,280 --> 02:14:19,460
My name is Steve Alberts.

1511
02:14:19,680 --> 02:14:22,460
I live at one, two, three horseshoe with the adjacent address.

1512
02:14:24,340 --> 02:14:27,380
I have been aware of this been going on since the inception.

1513
02:14:28,740 --> 02:14:31,840
I've seen nothing but nice families walking through

1514
02:14:31,840 --> 02:14:36,620
with their dog sometimes. Most of the times with multi-generational. They've been

1515
02:14:36,620 --> 02:14:41,280
concentrating to me. I've never heard anything next door to me that's concerned me. The

1516
02:14:41,280 --> 02:14:46,400
night in question with a party, I saw some cars parked on the side of the street, which also

1517
02:14:46,400 --> 02:14:54,300
happens at any other party that happens in Queens Lake. Drinking happens in Queens Lake.

1518
02:14:54,300 --> 02:14:58,720
Yeah, I have my neighbors to agree with you.

1519
02:15:01,780 --> 02:15:29,980
Yes, in my business, I'm a real estate agent with long and foster. I don't see with the new provisions, the application, starting now in July. I've seen nice families come to Queens Lake for the same reason we live there to spend time with their families. Most of them have been nice families, multi-generational. They can accommodate one hotel room that's $200 a night.

1520
02:15:30,600 --> 02:15:36,160
I just came back from my vacation in Sag Harbor, New York, where we were at an Airbnb.

1521
02:15:36,860 --> 02:15:42,060
We stayed at a residence in a very similar area to Queen's Lake on Long Island.

1522
02:15:42,780 --> 02:15:44,440
It was one of the nicest experiences.

1523
02:15:44,860 --> 02:15:46,760
The neighbors, we met them as well.

1524
02:15:47,260 --> 02:15:50,400
Everybody, it made our trip with our two teenage children.

1525
02:15:51,080 --> 02:15:58,700
Much more, except a nicer event, because we didn't have to share a hotel room with four

1526
02:15:58,700 --> 02:16:05,400
people. I understand that the process has been difficult. I know that, applying for the

1527
02:16:05,400 --> 02:16:17,660
application, I have met all the people that Katie Kathy, the assorted people when they were

1528
02:16:17,660 --> 02:16:25,540
moving in. I saw them do all the renovations to the house. I knew that they were playing

1529
02:16:25,540 --> 02:16:31,520
We live there, medical conditions prevented that, I understand that as well.

1530
02:16:32,560 --> 02:16:36,920
I will be the first one to step up and say, this is a problem, if I saw a problem.

1531
02:16:38,620 --> 02:16:45,740
What I can tell you for the so-called boogieman effect here of the crimes, we're also having

1532
02:16:45,740 --> 02:16:48,260
a lot of contract work with the sewer system.

1533
02:16:48,660 --> 02:16:51,860
There are a lot of contractors coming and going, there are a lot of people I don't know,

1534
02:16:51,860 --> 02:17:01,980
their public streets until I can be also to address the real estate markets in the last nine

1535
02:17:01,980 --> 02:17:09,960
months I've seen a spike in prices and queens like rising and shorter time on market so if

1536
02:17:09,960 --> 02:17:15,380
you want to say that this is destroying the community and the values of the home that's incorrect.

1537
02:17:17,020 --> 02:17:22,540
I vote yes on it until there is a problem I'll be the first one to step up if I see a problem

1538
02:17:22,540 --> 02:17:24,520
But I have not seen that.

1539
02:17:24,800 --> 02:17:26,260
Thank you.

1540
02:17:26,560 --> 02:17:27,640
Anyone else wish to speak?

1541
02:17:28,100 --> 02:17:29,420
Please state your name and address.

1542
02:17:30,260 --> 02:17:31,180
I have three minutes.

1543
02:17:37,890 --> 02:17:39,410
So I'm Lauren and Artowitch.

1544
02:17:39,550 --> 02:17:41,110
I'm at 2111 West Queens.

1545
02:17:41,450 --> 02:17:41,750
I do.

1546
02:17:41,890 --> 02:17:44,370
I'm a member of the Board of Trustees.

1547
02:17:45,030 --> 02:17:50,030
But just to clarify, we are not coming as members or speaking for the Board of Trustees,

1548
02:17:50,070 --> 02:17:53,370
as we have taken no action on this issue.

1549
02:17:54,010 --> 02:17:55,230
So we're speaking as private homeowners.

1550
02:17:55,530 --> 02:17:57,670
I just wanted to clarify that.

1551
02:17:57,670 --> 02:18:02,690
As a member of the trustees, however, we have an overall concern about the use of our

1552
02:18:02,690 --> 02:18:11,610
amenities, which include a playground, tennis courts, ball fields, Marina, the lake, all the common areas,

1553
02:18:11,970 --> 02:18:16,070
are paid for with the deities, the deities and the deities of membership.

1554
02:18:17,570 --> 02:18:22,230
And you are not allowed to use those amenities without a member present.

1555
02:18:22,570 --> 02:18:26,070
You can't go on to the lake and you can't use those kayaks.

1556
02:18:26,070 --> 02:18:38,870
So there's a question about liability there, and also transient residents don't have quite the same loyalty or concern about disruption and damage as they will be gone within a few days.

1557
02:18:39,070 --> 02:18:41,130
So that we have to contend with as well.

1558
02:18:41,990 --> 02:18:53,430
Now I understand, I didn't know, I didn't know, but when Mr. Hogue knocked on our door on a Monday morning because my husband had built our new shed to close to the property line.

1559
02:18:53,430 --> 02:19:01,610
we had to be double. There was no excuse. A mistake not knowing is not an excuse. And for

1560
02:19:01,610 --> 02:19:05,990
this to continue, it's unfair for the rest of the residents have gone through the legal

1561
02:19:05,990 --> 02:19:13,070
process. I don't know. I don't live on horseshoe, but I do know that it's a very tight street.

1562
02:19:13,810 --> 02:19:17,710
The residents, I've seen them out to dinner together at restaurants. They take up full

1563
02:19:17,710 --> 02:19:22,390
They get together and this is caused a lot of stress and a lot of disruption.

1564
02:19:24,190 --> 02:19:30,790
It's akin to a business opening, a shop up in a neighborhood and no one is manning the store.

1565
02:19:31,290 --> 02:19:36,570
There's a provision if you do accept it that she has to be present, but who will monitor that?

1566
02:19:36,570 --> 02:19:41,710
Who will monitor that? Somebody's in that house? Who will monitor who's coming and going?

1567
02:19:42,770 --> 02:19:46,410
As I said, the transient renters don't have the same concern.

1568
02:19:46,410 --> 02:19:51,490
They don't have, and we have lived there, 19 years, and I'm one of the new ones, believe it or not.

1569
02:19:51,870 --> 02:19:56,530
We have residents who've been there 45 and 50 years, putting down roots.

1570
02:19:57,010 --> 02:19:59,850
And we want that old-fashioned feel where our kids can ride.

1571
02:20:00,920 --> 02:20:15,820
We have fire engines in the parade on Queens Lake Day, and neighbors are watching out for each other and for our elderly. I just don't think that we should make this something that becomes more acceptable down the line.

1572
02:20:16,240 --> 02:20:19,540
I don't think that we should honor anybody who is operating illegally.

1573
02:20:22,460 --> 02:20:28,680
We've been there when people have knocked on doors. Mr. Hogue is out in force. We love him, but we see him coming.

1574
02:20:28,680 --> 02:20:34,740
And there is, I don't think not knowing as an excuse, because if they had ever called

1575
02:20:34,740 --> 02:20:36,020
the clubhouse, they would have known.

1576
02:20:36,120 --> 02:20:40,240
And I was there when Renter is called to see what they could use in our neighborhoods.

1577
02:20:40,320 --> 02:20:41,380
So they're not being told.

1578
02:20:41,880 --> 02:20:44,240
I don't think the veracity is everything it should be.

1579
02:20:44,300 --> 02:20:46,240
I ask you to please deny this application.

1580
02:20:46,820 --> 02:20:46,860
Thank you.

1581
02:20:46,860 --> 02:20:47,200
Thank you.

1582
02:20:47,440 --> 02:20:48,060
Very much.

1583
02:20:49,560 --> 02:20:49,780
All right.

1584
02:20:49,840 --> 02:20:53,520
Is there anyone else wishing to speak of this application before we close this portion

1585
02:20:53,520 --> 02:20:54,460
of the public here?

1586
02:20:56,190 --> 02:20:59,190
This thing, we need back before the permission for economists.

1587
02:21:00,970 --> 02:21:02,730
Let's go ahead and let's go.

1588
02:21:02,730 --> 02:21:03,890
Just a few of this stuff.

1589
02:21:03,970 --> 02:21:05,870
You know, it's not really a best sign.

1590
02:21:06,370 --> 02:21:07,010
I'm going to start now.

1591
02:21:07,670 --> 02:21:08,090
Okay.

1592
02:21:09,470 --> 02:21:16,590
I think a community spirit and their, their,

1593
02:21:16,590 --> 02:21:22,170
what they wish is the main thing that I look upon on this application.

1594
02:21:22,170 --> 02:21:28,990
And it is a quiet neighborhood, certainly I know Queens Lake.

1595
02:21:30,630 --> 02:21:41,710
I just don't see a short-term rental tourstone to be consistent with the community of Queens

1596
02:21:41,710 --> 02:21:42,150
Lake.

1597
02:21:47,020 --> 02:21:55,080
Yeah, I've wrestled with this petition, this issue P for several weeks now, and the rights

1598
02:21:55,080 --> 02:21:59,480
of an individual versus rights of a community in which should prevail.

1599
02:22:00,360 --> 02:22:04,840
And I started looking at it and I started looking at the criteria and that it's in the

1600
02:22:04,840 --> 02:22:10,760
county thing and there could be arguments plus or minus against the seven or so criteria

1601
02:22:10,760 --> 02:22:12,100
that's in there.

1602
02:22:12,720 --> 02:22:22,660
But in my, as I look at them, I believe that you could have an Airbnb that meets these criteria

1603
02:22:22,660 --> 02:22:27,300
and also complies with the community.

1604
02:22:28,160 --> 02:22:32,740
There are some things I think the owner ought to do,

1605
02:22:33,360 --> 02:22:35,840
and one is some of the things that you live on the premises,

1606
02:22:37,420 --> 02:22:41,900
work or abide by the Queen's Lake Association rules

1607
02:22:41,900 --> 02:22:45,240
about using the lake and the amenities and all those kinds of things.

1608
02:22:45,240 --> 02:22:48,400
So I think that needs to be worked out somehow

1609
02:22:49,640 --> 02:22:55,180
And in work with the community on that, so I'm rather in favor of having this A-B-B.

1610
02:22:57,500 --> 02:22:57,740
It's true.

1611
02:23:01,670 --> 02:23:10,430
I very much understand the many of the residents of the community who are concerned about this.

1612
02:23:11,150 --> 02:23:12,550
Single family, neighborhood,

1613
02:23:15,390 --> 02:23:18,050
the residents have a lot of restrictions on them.

1614
02:23:18,450 --> 02:23:23,690
In County Code, and you can't just run out of a large apartment or something without it.

1615
02:23:23,690 --> 02:23:26,250
coming for this board for special use permit.

1616
02:23:26,990 --> 02:23:28,570
And it is a special use permit.

1617
02:23:30,270 --> 02:23:34,010
And the county has recognized that there may be areas

1618
02:23:34,010 --> 02:23:36,010
in the county, which this would be appropriate.

1619
02:23:38,340 --> 02:23:42,600
We have done some tourist, very important tourist areas

1620
02:23:42,600 --> 02:23:43,380
in the county.

1621
02:23:44,360 --> 02:23:47,620
But I don't think a residential neighborhood

1622
02:23:47,620 --> 02:23:52,040
with the Jean-Crit-Wine streets, but multigenerational,

1623
02:23:52,040 --> 02:23:58,080
So lots of kids is the appropriate kind of place for it, so I could not support the

1624
02:23:58,080 --> 02:23:58,760
exact location.

1625
02:24:01,480 --> 02:24:05,720
I'm empathetic with miss seven situation and being in a hospital and everything.

1626
02:24:06,400 --> 02:24:07,000
I really am.

1627
02:24:08,120 --> 02:24:13,880
However, I just can't get over the fact that she doesn't live in the house and she hasn't been

1628
02:24:13,880 --> 02:24:16,260
a resident of the neighborhood to get to know everyone.

1629
02:24:17,100 --> 02:24:18,540
I think that's a major requirement.

1630
02:24:18,540 --> 02:24:24,620
I understand it's a financial investment for her, however, I don't believe that the neighborhood

1631
02:24:24,620 --> 02:24:31,580
has responsibility to subsidize the impact to make this is evidence financial situation all over.

1632
02:24:31,860 --> 02:24:32,560
I also don't.

1633
02:24:33,340 --> 02:24:36,820
There's no guarantee that after September 5th, it's going to cease.

1634
02:24:37,200 --> 02:24:39,540
It's the words who rise or approves this.

1635
02:24:39,960 --> 02:24:41,880
Then this can continue indefinitely.

1636
02:24:42,540 --> 02:24:47,960
I understand if the staff is mentioned on a yearly renewal basis or something of that nature.

1637
02:24:47,960 --> 02:24:55,320
But I don't have much confidence that this is a public situation for this need of a lot of people and you can answer.

1638
02:24:57,660 --> 02:24:58,940
My point of view is more fundamental.

1639
02:25:01,840 --> 02:25:15,620
This operation does not have a special use permit. The request is to give the more time to operate outside of the county's regulations.

1640
02:25:17,500 --> 02:25:29,260
It's illegal. So I can't just fundamentally permit just to get all the other stuff. I'm seeing so why would we extend more time for an operation that's not compliant.

1641
02:25:29,260 --> 02:25:33,120
I think that's the bottom line because we use blue comments in here.

1642
02:25:33,760 --> 02:25:35,600
That's my position on this.

1643
02:25:35,940 --> 02:25:37,020
And I think it's the right one.

1644
02:25:37,320 --> 02:25:39,460
I've heard everything.

1645
02:25:40,180 --> 02:25:43,080
But I keep going back to the guidelines that we have.

1646
02:25:43,140 --> 02:25:45,040
And even we're going to stand by them.

1647
02:25:45,320 --> 02:25:45,860
Oh, we're not.

1648
02:25:46,480 --> 02:25:48,800
So you can't, you know, when this was a violation,

1649
02:25:49,120 --> 02:25:56,380
I think the countdown for a season should have started then.

1650
02:25:56,380 --> 02:26:02,560
So, that's how I view this and I'm on the end and discussion was just really nothing else to say, that's it.

1651
02:26:04,960 --> 02:26:10,180
So, we have any further discussion, are we ready to entertain motion?

1652
02:26:18,900 --> 02:26:27,300
Mr. Chairman, I move to bring to vote PC 1722 for approval.

1653
02:26:31,110 --> 02:26:43,490
Resolution number PC 17-22 to authorize a tourist home in an existing single-family detached home at 125 horseshoe drive

1654
02:26:43,490 --> 02:26:45,170
Mr. Titus

1655
02:26:45,170 --> 02:26:45,990
Yes

1656
02:26:45,990 --> 02:26:47,210
Mr. Phillips

1657
02:26:47,210 --> 02:26:48,270
No

1658
02:26:48,270 --> 02:26:49,830
Mr. King

1659
02:26:49,830 --> 02:26:50,750
No

1660
02:26:50,750 --> 02:26:52,550
Mr. Peterman

1661
02:26:52,790 --> 02:26:53,330
No

1662
02:26:53,330 --> 02:26:55,010
Mr. Johns

1663
02:26:55,010 --> 02:26:55,710
No

1664
02:26:55,710 --> 02:26:57,070
The motion fails

1665
02:26:57,070 --> 02:26:58,570
This one to four.

1666
02:26:59,150 --> 02:27:02,190
All right, this will go before the board September 19th.

1667
02:27:02,250 --> 02:27:02,610
I believe.

1668
02:27:02,890 --> 02:27:04,110
September 19th.

1669
02:27:04,130 --> 02:27:05,010
This one is to go to the board.

1670
02:27:05,150 --> 02:27:06,170
They make the final decision.

1671
02:27:07,470 --> 02:27:09,810
This ends at part of the portion of the board here.

1672
02:27:11,310 --> 02:27:13,770
And we will go to the next item on the agenda.

1673
02:27:13,950 --> 02:27:15,970
We'll wait for the room to clear a little bit.

1674
02:27:18,440 --> 02:27:18,940
I got time.

1675
02:27:19,480 --> 02:27:20,020
Thank you.

1676
02:27:20,240 --> 02:27:20,600
Yes.

1677
02:27:24,250 --> 02:27:25,490
We'll take a five minute break.

1678
02:27:41,300 --> 02:27:42,400
Take a look five minutes.

1679
02:27:43,400 --> 02:27:45,020
If I'm in a breather.

1680
02:33:45,810 --> 02:33:52,070
Please entase him by Mr. Carter. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Actually, you have two applications that we briefed in the same

1681
02:33:52,070 --> 02:33:57,070
memorandum, and we've recommended that you have a separate public hearing and a separate action on each one.

1682
02:33:57,070 --> 02:34:02,150
You have two resolutions before tonight. This is sort of an annual affair when we come to the Commission

1683
02:34:02,150 --> 02:34:08,730
in the board with proposed amendments to catch up with state code changes, as well as to address things that

1684
02:34:08,730 --> 02:34:13,970
have come up during the year in the administration of the ordinance, things that we've noticed in the

1685
02:34:13,970 --> 02:34:17,870
that needs to be clarified or missing phrases or whatnot.

1686
02:34:18,170 --> 02:34:23,050
So what you have is sort of a mismatch of various types of things in this package.

1687
02:34:24,290 --> 02:34:27,130
It's been suggested that in the interest of time,

1688
02:34:27,250 --> 02:34:29,070
I might just stop here and say, are there questions?

1689
02:34:29,410 --> 02:34:33,210
But I think you're probably a few things that I like to specifically mention.

1690
02:34:33,370 --> 02:34:34,690
And then I'll say, are there questions?

1691
02:34:36,210 --> 02:34:39,530
One of the things to catch up with state code changes,

1692
02:34:39,670 --> 02:34:43,950
deals with changes that were first added to the state code back

1693
02:34:43,950 --> 02:34:49,230
In 2009, as we were coming out of the recession, when the General Assembly decided to give

1694
02:34:49,230 --> 02:34:54,530
a longer period of validity for various types of plans or plan approvals or use permits

1695
02:34:54,530 --> 02:34:55,290
or whatnot.

1696
02:34:55,290 --> 02:34:59,970
started out as those things that were valid as of January 1st 2000.

1697
02:35:00,000 --> 02:35:08,160
In the nine, we're automatically deemed to be valid, at least until 2011, that it changed to 2014, and 2017.

1698
02:35:08,800 --> 02:35:15,860
And now the latest code change says anything that was valid as of January 1st, 2017, remains valid until 2020.

1699
02:35:16,660 --> 02:35:21,120
And so that's reflected in some changes in both the subdivision ordinance and the zoning ordinance.

1700
02:35:22,160 --> 02:35:25,020
And you have those sections listed in your two packages.

1701
02:35:26,420 --> 02:35:35,220
Another thing I want to mention moving on from the subdivision ordinance, the other things in the subdivision ordinance or minor clarification, just administrative types of things.

1702
02:35:36,040 --> 02:35:44,000
In the zoning ordinance, we are proposing to add some language to the definition of manufactured home, again, to reflect a change in the state code.

1703
02:35:44,000 --> 02:35:52,460
And this is to pick up language that specifically says that a park model RV is not considered to be a manufactured home.

1704
02:35:52,840 --> 02:35:56,400
In another word for park model RV is tiny house.

1705
02:35:56,900 --> 02:36:00,540
And for those of you who may have followed events in the county over the past couple years,

1706
02:36:00,700 --> 02:36:06,520
we have had some experience with tiny houses and we have taken the position and now the general assembly

1707
02:36:06,520 --> 02:36:12,900
has taken it in this legislation that a park model RV is not in fact a manufactured home,

1708
02:36:12,900 --> 02:36:15,040
which is the position the county has taken.

1709
02:36:15,600 --> 02:36:17,340
So we want to reflect that in the definition.

1710
02:36:19,780 --> 02:36:25,260
We also are proposing some additions in the proper

1711
02:36:25,260 --> 02:36:27,060
and the conditional zoning section.

1712
02:36:27,140 --> 02:36:29,320
Again, to pick up some language in the state code,

1713
02:36:29,340 --> 02:36:32,400
you've heard about the changes that strengthen

1714
02:36:32,400 --> 02:36:34,020
or make more strict.

1715
02:36:34,240 --> 02:36:36,300
The guidelines for accepting profits,

1716
02:36:36,980 --> 02:36:39,700
the reasonableness test.

1717
02:36:39,700 --> 02:36:46,300
And so we're simply referencing the specific section of the state code that deals with those

1718
02:36:46,300 --> 02:36:51,220
provisions, and also at the recommendation of the county attorney adding some language

1719
02:36:51,220 --> 02:36:56,400
that would require and put the responsibility on the applicant of demonstrating and documenting

1720
02:36:56,400 --> 02:37:02,300
the nexus or the relationship between their proper and the specific impacts that their

1721
02:37:02,300 --> 02:37:06,980
project is projected to have on the county's infrastructure or public facilities.

1722
02:37:06,980 --> 02:37:12,380
and so that language is designed to give the applicants and guidelines as to what specific

1723
02:37:12,380 --> 02:37:15,880
things they need to address in their submission along with their professors.

1724
02:37:16,460 --> 02:37:22,760
And that's on page 2 and 3 of the zoning ordinance resolution, which is PC-17-24.

1725
02:37:25,440 --> 02:37:34,320
On page 4 also in section 200, we're recommending some language, just to clarify that in

1726
02:37:34,320 --> 02:37:39,440
case of an agricultural use that is the principle use of a property, it's okay to have an

1727
02:37:39,440 --> 02:37:43,840
accessory residential use and this is something that came up in a court case that we

1728
02:37:43,840 --> 02:37:49,060
argued that our ordinance already allows that. But again, to clarify that fact we're proposing

1729
02:37:49,060 --> 02:37:59,740
some language that specifically says that. On page 7, we are recommending at the recommendation

1730
02:37:59,740 --> 02:38:08,160
of economic development authority that auto body paint shops be allowed as a special use permit

1731
02:38:08,160 --> 02:38:12,940
activity in the economic opportunity district. And there it's a matter of looking at an

1732
02:38:12,940 --> 02:38:18,080
inconsistency in the ordinance, repair garages are allowed by use permit in the EO district,

1733
02:38:18,400 --> 02:38:24,660
but not an auto body shop. So we thought it makes sense to at least provide the opportunity for

1734
02:38:24,660 --> 02:38:28,320
somebody to apply for that use permit and ask for that to be considered.

1735
02:38:29,740 --> 02:38:45,480
On page 8 in section 379, we're recommending that the Route 17 corridor revitalization overlay district be renamed as the commercial corridor revitalization overlay district so that it could also include

1736
02:38:45,480 --> 02:38:49,980
paramact trail bypass road in Richmond Road, along with Route 17.

1737
02:38:50,740 --> 02:38:57,220
This is basically a district provision that provides some flexibility for lots that are very small,

1738
02:38:57,560 --> 02:39:05,380
whether by area or by width, or that have buildings that do not need to current setback requirements

1739
02:39:05,380 --> 02:39:09,680
in some way or another are challenged because of that.

1740
02:39:09,680 --> 02:39:16,420
And finally, it also applies to lots or properties that have been declared blighted by the economic development of the story.

1741
02:39:17,120 --> 02:39:22,460
So it's a way to give some flexibility to encourage redevelopment of challenge properties in our commercial quarters.

1742
02:39:22,960 --> 02:39:28,540
And not only Route 17 has some of those properties, but also by past Merrimack and Richmond Raid.

1743
02:39:28,860 --> 02:39:30,120
That's the question on that, sir.

1744
02:39:30,500 --> 02:39:37,680
The old Philip Morris building on Route 143 with that help promote that problem.

1745
02:39:37,680 --> 02:39:44,300
So that property is way bigger than these minimum guidelines in terms of area and width.

1746
02:39:45,960 --> 02:39:53,820
This would apply to, for example, lots that are smaller than 20,000 square feet or narrower than 80 feet,

1747
02:39:54,080 --> 02:39:57,360
which presents some challenges in terms of needing some of the other ordinary requirements.

1748
02:40:00,000 --> 02:40:02,580
And with that, I will say, are there questions?

1749
02:40:06,180 --> 02:40:16,660
I'm on that issue of banning Route 60 and 143. Has it been any comment about this by business owners at all?

1750
02:40:16,700 --> 02:40:17,580
Yes, sir.

1751
02:40:23,720 --> 02:40:35,200
So if there are no questions, we would certainly recommend a that you open a hearing on each of these and b that you adopt the two resolutions that are before you to recommend these changes to the Board of Civilizers.

1752
02:40:36,240 --> 02:40:47,760
Okay. Thank you. We have anyone else wishing to speak. I think we have to go through

1753
02:40:47,760 --> 02:40:58,760
these separately. Okay. So let's first look at application ST-23-17.

1754
02:41:02,980 --> 02:41:03,560
And let's

1755
02:41:03,560 --> 02:41:08,920
to the close that part of the Commission for discussion.

1756
02:41:12,760 --> 02:41:15,960
I have done a discussion with Chairman, but if the Commission's pleasure

1757
02:41:15,960 --> 02:41:18,800
would recommend, thank you recommendation.

1758
02:41:20,980 --> 02:41:25,160
I'd like to move the subdivision ordinance changes.

1759
02:41:25,440 --> 02:41:27,860
Resolution PC-17-23.

1760
02:41:28,780 --> 02:41:29,420
Recommend approval.

1761
02:41:30,160 --> 02:41:35,660
The motion by Mr. King is to adopt resolution number of PC-17-23.

1762
02:41:35,660 --> 02:41:45,680
to amend the York County subdivision ordinance to revise various provisions and to include certain changes to reflect revisions in the Code of Virginia.

1763
02:41:46,180 --> 02:41:47,100
Mr. Peterman.

1764
02:41:48,460 --> 02:41:49,240
Mr. King.

1765
02:41:49,620 --> 02:41:49,780
Yes.

1766
02:41:50,600 --> 02:41:51,320
Mr. Phillips.

1767
02:41:52,580 --> 02:41:53,480
Mr. Titus.

1768
02:41:53,640 --> 02:41:54,060
Yes.

1769
02:41:54,660 --> 02:41:55,360
Mr. Johns.

1770
02:41:55,500 --> 02:41:55,880
Yes.

1771
02:41:56,220 --> 02:41:58,220
The motion passes five to zero.

1772
02:41:58,220 --> 02:41:58,820
We

1773
02:42:02,120 --> 02:42:10,520
will open a discussion for application on the ZT-175-175 public here.

1774
02:42:12,980 --> 02:42:14,720
Oh, we've got a lot of people out there tonight.

1775
02:42:15,240 --> 02:42:17,560
Let's see.

1776
02:42:17,720 --> 02:42:17,900
Okay.

1777
02:42:18,060 --> 02:42:19,940
See that they're too shy to come forward.

1778
02:42:21,800 --> 02:42:22,440
Oh, further up.

1779
02:42:22,980 --> 02:42:24,280
We'll close that portion of the public here.

1780
02:42:24,460 --> 02:42:25,600
I'll bring it back to the commission.

1781
02:42:27,380 --> 02:42:27,840
Any comments?

1782
02:42:29,000 --> 02:42:29,700
Mr. Chairman.

1783
02:42:29,700 --> 02:42:44,080
there's no further discussion. I'll recommend to commission recommend approval of PC-17-24 changes to the zoning ordinance.

1784
02:42:44,560 --> 02:42:59,540
The motion by Mr. King is to adopt resolution number PC-17-24 to amend the York County's zoning ordinance to revise various provisions and to include certain changes to reflect revisions.

1785
02:42:59,540 --> 02:43:02,640
to the Code of Virginia, Mr. King?

1786
02:43:04,040 --> 02:43:04,660
Mr. Phillips?

1787
02:43:05,140 --> 02:43:05,640
Yes.

1788
02:43:05,980 --> 02:43:06,900
Mr. Titus?

1789
02:43:06,960 --> 02:43:07,360
Yes.

1790
02:43:07,980 --> 02:43:08,880
Mr. Peterman?

1791
02:43:09,200 --> 02:43:09,480
Yes.

1792
02:43:10,120 --> 02:43:11,180
Mr. John's.

1793
02:43:11,220 --> 02:43:11,580
Yes.

1794
02:43:12,220 --> 02:43:14,280
The motion passes five to zero.

1795
02:43:15,100 --> 02:43:15,900
All right, thank you.

1796
02:43:16,980 --> 02:43:19,140
The next item only agenda is old business.

1797
02:43:22,050 --> 02:43:22,590
New business?

1798
02:43:25,360 --> 02:43:27,840
Staff reports and recent actions by the Board of Civilizers.

1799
02:43:28,540 --> 02:43:30,260
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. You have the gentleman.

1800
02:43:30,260 --> 02:43:35,300
Secretary Gordon, the front of you last month, the board approve of the two towing service

1801
02:43:35,300 --> 02:43:37,820
in town auto storage yards.

1802
02:43:39,500 --> 02:43:47,980
And the application to establish a bed and breakfast in Dandy was postponed at the request

1803
02:43:47,980 --> 02:43:51,380
of the applicant coming up next week.

1804
02:43:51,380 --> 02:43:59,080
The board will consider the proposed senior housing facility on Victory Boulevard, along

1805
02:43:59,080 --> 02:44:06,810
with the horse-stable application that we had on New York Town Road several months ago.

1806
02:44:07,490 --> 02:44:09,410
That will also come before the board next week.

1807
02:44:10,850 --> 02:44:20,130
And the proposed solar facilities ordinance that you all considered last month is also going to be on next week's agenda.

1808
02:44:21,170 --> 02:44:27,770
The Airbnb application on plantation drives that you all considered last month has been withdrawn by the applicant.

1809
02:44:27,770 --> 02:44:43,870
So those are the applications we do have an application next month for another Airbnb just off of

1810
02:44:43,870 --> 02:44:45,870
covered lane in the upper county.

1811
02:44:46,330 --> 02:44:49,110
E-dale, E-dale, one-thirty E-dale,

1812
02:44:49,530 --> 02:44:52,350
Avenue is the, is the address.

1813
02:44:56,740 --> 02:44:57,860
And that's all I have.

1814
02:45:00,820 --> 02:45:02,040
Commitment reports,

1815
02:45:05,910 --> 02:45:07,710
commission reports every quest.

1816
02:45:11,820 --> 02:45:14,880
I'll see you now, full calls for adjourned, the sense to be dead.

1817
02:45:15,380 --> 02:45:15,940
Public hearing.